IRC log for #debian on 20150330

00:00.00lyonsbIf you have switched to legacy, then that is true.
00:00.19lyonsbYou can straight up grub-install /dev/sda
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00:01.52lyonsbBUT
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00:02.08lyonsbI would recommend doing more like apt-get purge grub-common followed by apt-get install grub-pc
00:03.01lyonsbAnd make sure to select the drive, NOT a partition.
00:03.51Roshanyes, no error report, but still not work
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00:04.19RoshanI'll try what after the huge but :)
00:04.57lyonsbAt this point, I'd say you should probably stretch your search-fu and try solutions you find on the internet.
00:05.08lyonsbBecause I can't actively participate on IRC atm.
00:05.11lyonsbI have other things I must attend to.
00:05.41Roshanthank you
00:05.56lyonsbSure.
00:06.21lyonsbGood luck.  If you have a spare USB, super-grub-disk iso might be easiest.
00:07.17baumguesses his problem was that he used ext4 instead of the efi format for his boot partition
00:07.25baumlet's see if it works now :)
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00:11.20baumit worked! wohoooo!!!!!!
00:11.33baumopens a bottle of wine :)
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00:14.50hassoonslaps the bottle
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00:21.55Roshanno I switched BIOS back to EFI and followed the instructions in the SO thread, but it doesn't help
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00:22.08RoshanNow I switched back to legacy
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00:23.13K|NgGh0sTshould I use fglrx or radeon driver?
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00:24.24K|NgGh0sTRadeon HD 6410D is the card
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00:24.55inthlmy apt appears to be broken. any actions e.g. to upgrade or install something start with e.g. Preparing to unpack .../procps_2%3a3.3.9-9_amd64.deb ... and then it hangs and that's it
00:25.09inthlI can not purge that package since it is essential, even init depends on it. any suggestions?
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00:39.08OozeWHY DOES MY SYSTEM KEEP RANDOMLY REBOOTING
00:39.09Oozearrrggh
00:39.20OozeIt'll be fine for like hours, nothing wrong
00:39.24OozeThen it just reboots
00:39.26OozeI have no idea why
00:39.30VladolfPutlerOoze, hardware or software problem?
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00:39.38OozeWell, I don't know
00:39.52VladolfPutlerOoze, it's not a clean reboot, I imagine?
00:40.06OozeI think it is? I'm not sure I'm not there when it does
00:40.12OozeMy ssh sessions just die and I see it rebooted
00:40.17centrxOoze, Check the logs
00:40.21OozeNo error messages or anything though, boots up fine
00:40.23OozeWhich log?
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00:40.49VladolfPutlerOoze, if it boots without clearing orphaned files, then I suppose it's clean reboot
00:41.03OozeIt was an hour behind my area's time so I fixed that, but I guess that wasn't it
00:41.16VladolfPutlerIf my computer crashes, fschk always finds problems
00:41.35centrxOoze /var/log syslog, messages, dmesg
00:41.42centrxOoze, but dmesg.0
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00:42.19centrxOoze, If there's no other explanation, like a driver showing up in the logs, it could be a hardware problem, which you can check with memtest86+ and fsck (badblocks)
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00:43.27VladolfPutleryears ago I had problems with Jetway motherboards (I got them secondhand, I imagine it's a budget brand)
00:43.47OozeHere, this is the bottom of syslog http://paste.incorrigible.me/awosaxiziq.m
00:43.48VladolfPutleralso hard reboot at sort-of random
00:44.05OozeI've been using the hardware for over a month and it's been fine
00:44.10VladolfPutlercos it settled down after about 30 minutes
00:45.25OozeAnything in that paste look like it'd be an issue?
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00:45.35OozeBefore that is just a bunch of logs of me messing w/ motion
00:47.49centrxOoze, how about messages and dmesg
00:48.16centrxOoze, you may have to go back to an earlier version of each of these files, for the time when it crashed
00:48.24centrxwhen it rebooted
00:48.46centrxOoze, e.g. the syslog you pasted is from 20 minutes ago, was that when it rebooted? You need to find what happened before it rebooted
00:49.04Oozeyeah 31 mins ago
00:49.20OozeWhere would it log that prior?
00:49.28OozeI'm only getting boot logs and they seem fine
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00:49.59centrxas you see in the directory /var/log, there are suffixes appeneded to the files, with numbers, .0, .1
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00:50.07centrxearlier suffixes are compressed into tar.gz files
00:50.39centrxThese are the rotations of the logs
00:50.57OozeSo which would have logs of before it rebooted?
00:51.05OozeA previous version of which log?
00:51.24centrxmessages, dmesg, syslog, the three I mentioned
00:51.33centrxOoze, they are timestamped, you want the info for the time when it happened
00:51.46OozeYeah that's why I posted that big of syslog
00:51.53OozeBut that wasn't relevant? What was in that paste
00:52.02centrxI only see 13 lines in that paste
00:52.09centrxand there's nothing before 20:27
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00:54.28Oozebefore was all just motion stuff
00:54.40OozeI mean it's been rebooting over and over all day so
00:54.52OozeI'm not sure where the logs are colliding
00:55.15OozeI moved this server into a rack yesterday and I'm wondering if anything could have gotten suffled around
00:55.28OozeIt's staying up for hours though, 4-5 on the last one I think
00:55.36OozeSo I'm not sure what it'd be if it's not something weird w/ the system
00:55.48Kobazudo: setreuid(ROOT_UID, user_uid): Operation not permitted
00:56.00Kobazmmmm... anyone know how to fix that?   that's sudo* actually
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00:59.45Kobazseems to be related to some bug(s) in maybe nss
01:00.01Kobazhttps://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=545414
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01:02.07AlexLikeRockhelp
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01:02.35AlexLikeRockdpkg: error  :  hurd-libs0.3:hurd-i386
01:02.35dpkgAlexLikeRock: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
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01:03.00KobazAlexLikeRock: that's not a whole lot of information
01:03.16AlexLikeRockKobaz,  well
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01:04.28AlexLikeRockAND  so , i have  a  error , because  its   imposibl.
01:06.39K|NgGh0sTRadeon drivers or fglrx, which should I use? I get massive screen tearing in both. Can't get it to go away
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01:11.04teaearlgraycoldK|NgGh0sT, have you messed around in your compositor settings?
01:11.14teaearlgraycoldYou should be able to fix the screen tearing
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01:13.53K|NgGh0sTLaunching Kodi directly from a shell
01:13.55K|NgGh0sTno DM
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01:16.05Eryn_1983_FLhey peeps
01:16.13Eryn_1983_FLhow do i change my /home location on cli?
01:16.20Eryn_1983_FLshould i just modify /etc/passwd
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01:17.02blackflowEryn_1983_FL: check usermod
01:17.27centrxAlexLikeRock, dpkg --purge <packagename> ?
01:17.56Eryn_1983_FLok
01:18.25AlexLikeRocktanks
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01:33.10Eryn_1983_FLok question guys i am running kerberos and its storing my users in /etc/passwd
01:33.40Eryn_1983_FLas long as i dont go around making alot of users my ids are going to stay the same for my users right?
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02:52.18LunaLovegoodThe GCC cross compiler for ARM is only available on Sid, right?
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02:57.58centrxLunaLovegood, Do you know what version of gcc the GCC cross compiler for ARM requires?
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03:10.25Switch_I need help finding a good cheap laptop for debian that the wifi will work with.
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03:11.44dvsSwitch_: used ThinkPad
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03:12.51Switch_dvs Would any work?
03:12.59dvsyes
03:13.21dvsThey are more compatible than most.
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03:23.31Switch_Okay Thank you
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03:27.12inthlbtw. what is dvs?
03:27.29dvsme! :->
03:27.54inthlah ;D
03:28.18inthli seriously looked up dvs+wifi at google
03:29.36keltimwhat's the correct way to add a slave to an existing alternatives configuration that won't break on updates?
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03:51.08barbadoHi.
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03:56.11barbadoI need help with WLAN on a 32-bit Debian 7 install. Kernel is 3.2.0.
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03:58.07barbadoWhen I first installed it, GNOME used to detect everything correctly. I never needed Wi-Fi back then.
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03:59.34carlgottingdoes debian have a manifesto of sorts? like a philosphy behind the OS design?
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03:59.50barbadoI used a regular cable for Internet. And as such, many updates came and all.
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04:01.46barbadoWell, now I need Wi-Fi but it's not there any longer :-/ OS barely recognizes WLAN hardware.
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04:03.54barbadoThis Wheezy resides on an HP Mini 110 netbook.
04:04.19Rusty1barbado:  can you determine the wifi chipset?
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04:07.20barbadoRusty1: Hi. Yes. Command '$ lspci -vvv -k -nn' tells me it's a Bradcom 4312G 802.11b/g (BCM4312).
04:07.50barbadoRusty1: Broadcom.
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04:11.17Rusty1barbado:  https://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx , may need to install firmware-b43-installer
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04:12.23barbadoRusty1: Will check, thank you very much.
04:13.02buuSo, in the spirit of complete desperation, anyone happen to know about invalid .if constants when compiling mplayer for arm?
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04:31.04AR45Did an apt-cache search for sublime text 3 and nothing showed up
04:31.24AR45Is this package in another debian repository or do I have to add a thirdparty?
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06:46.45nsgnwell, i'm feeling stupid. someone a while back on IRC recommended me a small, command line program for enabling/disabling services in debian and for the life of me i cant find it again
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06:47.17nsgnyou ran it by name from the shell, it gave a text graphics list of boxes you could X or remove the X from for each service, and then you could apply and save
06:47.29nsgnthis is probably a terrible explanation of what i'm looking for but i was hoping someone remembered what it was
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06:48.12z8zjust typing the command from shell which is 3 words?
06:48.45nsgnobviously if i'm knowing what service i'm aiming for by name
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06:48.58nsgnbut i used this after a fresh install to get a quick list of things i would disable depending on the use of the install
06:49.23nsgnthings i might not recall off hand are there or the name
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06:50.20z8zi don't know the name of that sorry
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06:53.07nsgnz8z, !! found it. rcconf
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07:19.58knosyshello guys. About "The following packages have unmet dependencies" message, i am trying to install gnome-keyrig:i386 in a 64 bits wheezy SO
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07:20.22knosysbut looks impossible. Do you guys know if there is some way?
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07:25.54knosysnvm needed ia32-libs package i think...
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07:55.32x_neo_xhey guys, I have an issue while installing Luna on my linux machine .. here is the make file and the error with "find" command http://pastebin.com/Q9q72pbv
07:55.44x_neo_xany help would be much apprecited
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07:59.19x_neo_xand this is the directory listing in the package http://pastebin.com/71sHWJDe
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08:12.04mflowIs there a limit to the number of characters in the /etc/init.d/ script names?
08:13.56mflowor the length of a service
08:14.00mflowis there any limit?
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08:27.48TheQuestionmarkSo... Jessie finally goes stable?
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08:29.42vitzliTheQuestionmark, "Number concerning the next release: 101"
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08:37.20TheQuestionmarkvitzli: Well I'm on Jessie for long already, so I don't mind.
08:37.26TheQuestionmarkAt least on my desktop.
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08:41.50maziarwhich application calls iptables on debian, because its does not have deamond
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08:44.29k_sze[work]My colleague just did `sudo nano /etc/sudoers` and broke it.
08:45.06k_sze[work]Is it still possible to fix it without booting into single user mode, if I happen to still have, e.g., a root screen session?
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08:46.48z8zmaziar: be more specific.... and also.... what do you need to do?
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08:48.46xecycleI have a running SMTP server (and works fine, confirmed by several applications), but neither `mail` nor `sendmail` sends mails successfully.  What did I miss?
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08:50.23maziarz8z, i want to stoop iptables service, not -F , stop
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08:53.05z8zmaziar: if your iptables rules list is empty it won't work at all
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08:53.33z8zmaziar: usually you may want to disable firewall services like ufw or shorewall and others
08:53.55maziarz8z, i know that, that is not my question, i want to know, how cani stop its service
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08:54.32maziarz8z, stop as a service, or start as a service
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08:54.46z8zmaziar: iptables is not a service
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08:55.28maziarz8z, then wich application run the iptables ?
08:55.54z8zmaziar: if i remember well part of it is in kernel modules and part of the general networking service
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08:56.50z8zmaziar: you probably need to disable it from kernel.... hope someone more expert on that can confirm and help you how to do
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08:58.36cafuegoWhy would you bother? Just ensure there are no rules.
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09:00.31z8zmaziar: i know is not the answer but yes.... why bother?
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09:01.04z8zmaziar: if you could explain what it for maybe we can understand better....
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09:01.58bezabanyou can force modprobe -r, but to remove it permanently you might have recompile the kernel
09:02.11bezabannot sure if you can blacklist iptables
09:02.18cafuegoyou could blacklist it, but again, why would you bother?
09:02.49bezabanbut yes, no reason to. With no rules it's not doing anything.
09:02.59cafuegoI mean, there is no running sevice, so there is nothing to stop. Problem resolved.
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09:03.51CissWitmaziar: like they said, there are no service you can stop with iptables because it is actually a set of kernel module. If you want to deactivate it completly, you need to blacklist the modules in /etc/modprobe.d/
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09:05.08CissWityou can either create a new file there or use the existing blacklist.conf and add the modules there (at least : ip_tables, iptable, iptable_nat, iptable_filter, x_tables, nf_nat, nf_conntrack_ipv4, nf_conntrack)
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09:08.00CissWit[10:54:15]      cafuego │ Why would you bother? Just ensure there are no rules. <- https://developers.soundcloud.com/blog/shoot-yourself-in-the-foot-with-iptables-and-kmod-auto-loading have a look at this, for example.
09:10.13cafuegoCissWit: That's soundcloud "engineers" not knowing what they're doing 3 years ago, how is that relavant? ;-)
09:10.26muscak_sze[work]:   the file /etc/sudoers is in the sudo package.
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09:11.27CissWitcafuego: that soundcloud engineers did exactly what you said : "he just ensured there were no rules".
09:12.01cafuegoCissWit: that blog *also* lists a reason, out of conntrack space.
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09:13.53cafuegoI've not seen maziar articulate a reason or show an error.
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09:18.33Sudoshow do I go about this to make it work the way I need to get it to?
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10:51.58roberth_hello will jessie receive kde application 14.12?
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10:54.16arafangionI'm trying to upgrade to wheezy from an old 6.0 installation.
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10:54.44jellyroberth_: no, package versions were frozen in November 2014, before the release of https://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-applications-14.12.0.php
10:54.48arafangionBut I can't update to kernel 3.2, and the release notes are unhelpful here.
10:55.03roberth_jelly: great!
10:55.22arafangionApparently, the kernel has unmet dependencies, the most concerning one seems to be linux-base.
10:55.35Bremsstrahlungarafangion, read this https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#newkernel ?
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10:56.00arafangionBremsstrahlung: Yep, I'm stuck on the line that starts with: You should then use apt-get install
10:56.12roberth_will systemd be installed by default if I use the debian jessie rc2 installer?
10:57.29jellyroberth_: yes
10:57.48roberth_great!
10:57.53arafangionBremsstrahlung: Incidentially, those _are_ the release notes I followed.
10:58.03BremsstrahlungAhhh, I see.
10:58.27jellyroberth_: you can ask in #debian-kde on irc.oftc.net to verify the apps version(s)
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10:59.25roberth_jelly: 14.12 was released in december so I dont think that will be neccesary
11:00.13arafangionBremsstrahlung: Specifically, apt-get says: Depends: linux-base (>= 3~) but 2.6.32-48squeeze6 is to be installed. (And then says that it breaks initramfs-tools)
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11:01.59arafangionI'm thinking of removing initramfs-tools, and therefore, the kernel.
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11:02.23arafangionAnd then attempting an upgrade. Might that work?
11:04.21jellyarafangion: that sounds as if you haven't done the initial "apt-get upgrade"
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11:05.22jellyarafangion: show output of your apt-get command, and also "apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy libc6 linux-base linux-image-amd64"
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11:05.25jelly!paste
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11:05.55arafangionjelly: Let me revisit my sources list, your suggestion implies that I'm not getting all the packages.
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11:07.00arafangionWell that was a stupid mistake on my part. :/  Lets see how that goes.
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11:09.11bjornarHow can I override template answers before installing a package?
11:09.24bjornarfor example quagga has a Template: quagga/really_stop
11:09.35bjornarWhich is a boolean I would like to set to trye
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11:10.02jelly!tell bjornar about debconf-set-selections
11:10.06jelly!tell bjornar about preseed
11:10.45arafangionjelly: I'm embarrased to mention that was indeed the issue. :/ sources list never had the main repo in it, and I blindly just renamed wheezy to squeeze.  Won't be doing that again.
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11:12.32n3ptunhey all. I wanted to remove gdm3 from the runlevel 2 because I checked with "ls -lh /etc/rc*" that gdm3 is started in runlevel 2,3,4,5 and as my default runlevel according /etc/inittab is "2" and I don't want X/GDM started on a system boot, I intented to remove gdm3 from runlevel 2. So I did execute ...
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11:13.31n3ptun... "update-rc.d gdm3 disable 2" accidently. This removed gdm from EVERY runlevel (I see that when "ls -lh /etc/rc*"). But when I try to readd gdm to runlevel 3,4,5 it fails. I tried "update-rc.d gdm3 enable 3" and that doesn't work. Any clues?
11:14.25bjornarjelly are these decisions stored?
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11:20.39jellybjornar: yes
11:20.53bjornarshould be: where are...
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11:23.09jellybjornar: in the debconf database :-)
11:23.50jelly(around /var/cache/debconf/ but don't edit manually)
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11:33.54bobbybI would like to install a program, it is a tar.xz now unzipped and is a folder, how to make it run?
11:34.14n3ptunanyone?
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11:34.50bobbybin the folder there are 2 executable files Telegram and Updater
11:34.59bobbybhelp me
11:35.02bobbybhelp me
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11:41.39arafangionbobbyb: That program would surely come with instructions.
11:42.07hid3Hello. After an upgrade from Debian 6 to Debian 7, all my log files currently are being logged to *.1 file instead of the original one. E.g. currntly being logged to daemon.1 and daemon is untouched. Any ideas what went wrong?
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11:43.21themillhid3: sounds like the logs were rotated by the services weren't restarted/HUPd after the rotation
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11:46.40hid3yep, seems that was the case. Restarted a bunch of services, including the rsyslog, and seem to start logging to correct files, at least for now
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12:06.31eptalonheyas, is there a way to find out how many inodes a filesystem has?
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12:22.58n3ptunhow can that be? In my file /etc/inittab the first line says "id:2:initdefault:" but when I boot my machine and ssh into it and run "runlevel" it says 5. Why ??
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12:28.49greycatn3ptun: perhaps someone ran "init 5" manually
12:30.17hhmmmmaybe gnome because my grml and openbox machines say 2 but fedora gnome sayys 5
12:31.03hhmmmi burn an audio cd with brasero, it just puts the wavs on the cd and only a pc can play them,
12:31.24greycatI use cdrecord (upstream, compiled myself) to make audio CDs
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12:31.50hhmmmi cut down the filenames and burn the exact same files with brasero again, it works fine in a 90s cd player
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12:34.51hhmmmmaybe i'll start to use wodim again, don't know why i stopped, just wondered if my issue had any simple explanation
12:36.19greycatI am not familiar with brasero, sorry.
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12:49.13n3ptungreycat: how ?
12:49.36greycathow what?  how did a user type "init 5" as root?  with a keyboard, usually....
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12:49.53n3ptungreycat: there is NO user in fron of it. I am the only one
12:49.57greycatof course that's just one possible reason
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12:50.18greycatn3ptun: how long has the system been up?  Maybe it was done 7 months ago or something.
12:50.25n3ptunwhat else is strange: when I execute "init 2" or "telinit 2" nothing happens, I just receive the prompt back
12:50.37n3ptungreycat: I rebooted it some minutes ago
12:50.50greycatWhich version of Debian is this?
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12:52.41n3ptunjessie
12:53.02greycatMaybe it's a systemd thing, then.  God only knows.  I haven't upgraded yet.
12:53.26n3ptunpossibly
12:53.27n3ptundamn
12:53.53n3ptunafter jessie upgrade I even do not get my welcome screen in X. That's why my first step is trying to disable X/gdm3 at all
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12:54.43KeridosI try to boot a windows 8.1 installation dvd via memdisk but it states bad file number
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13:44.52L0aD1nGhello, does anyone know the usage of apt-sortpkgs command?
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13:51.47L0aD1nGanyone? at least can someone tell me what the "index source/package files" are?
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13:57.06petn-randallL0aD1nG: What are you trying to achieve?
13:57.15L0aD1nGpetn-randall: to learn how it works
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13:57.22themillL0aD1nG: the Packages and Sources files that are on the mirrors. If you're not making your own repo, you don't want it.
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13:57.45L0aD1nGwell I am not making my own repo right now..
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13:57.58L0aD1nGbut I would like to learn the usage...
13:58.12petn-randallthemill: Even for your own repo you won't need it ...
13:58.16themillindeed
13:58.17L0aD1nGcan't we use it for the official repos somehow?
13:58.25L0aD1nGwhy?
13:58.30themillL0aD1nG: you can sort the data that is already sorted if you want
13:58.43L0aD1nGohh
13:58.44L0aD1nG:)
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14:00.03petn-randallL0aD1nG: It's the Packages(.gz) and Sources(.gz) files you see if you browse the repos with your browser. This tool takes them as input, and sorts the entries alphabetically.
14:00.33Sudosnevermind, found it out.
14:00.33petn-randallL0aD1nG: So it's a fairly limited tool for a fairly specific use case, which is why I asked. :)
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14:00.40L0aD1nGpetn-randall: but how should I give them as input on the command? I should give the domain or something?
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14:01.05greycat"Need to get 846 MB of archives.  After this operation, 700 MB of additional disk space will be used."   ... sheesh, bloat
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14:01.23petn-randallL0aD1nG: The man page actually explains that ...
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14:01.40petn-randallL0aD1nG: apt-sortpkgs [-s] [-o=config_string] [-c=config_file] filename... {-v | --version} {-h | --help}
14:01.41DeeleHow can I tell if USB 3 stick that is currently plugged in USB 3 port is running in USB 3 mode (not USB 2)?
14:01.50L0aD1nGpetn-randall: no, it just says "apt-sortpkgs will take an index file (source index or package index)"
14:01.53petn-randallLordAkkarin: "filename..." is the file name.
14:02.09petn-randallL0aD1nG: "filename..." is the file name.
14:02.13petn-randallsorry LordAkkarin
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14:02.30L0aD1nGshould that file be locale or should it be a repo path ?
14:03.01petn-randallL0aD1nG: filename means local, otherwise it would offer to pass an URI.
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14:03.19LordAkkarin*yawn* what? :o
14:03.27L0aD1nGso a local path on a Package.gz or Source.gz file?
14:03.45AberHatschiDeele, you system find the right driver on plug
14:04.16DeeleAberHatschi, what do you mean by that?
14:04.30themillL0aD1nG: I would predict that they shouldn't even be compressed.
14:04.32petn-randallL0aD1nG: I'm guessing it doesn't take compressed files, but try it and see.
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14:05.25Deeleafaik, USB 3.0 support requires some specific driver software running on system, to benefit from USB 3.0 features, otherwise, it works in USB 2.x mode
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14:05.31AberHatschiwhen you plugin your usb3 stick on a usb3 port you have usb3 speed
14:05.32L0aD1nGGuys I really think it doesn't take compressed files, cause it seems that I don't have any of
14:05.44L0aD1nG"Package.gz" and "Source.gz" files actually.
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14:06.03AberHatschiDeele, wich system
14:06.34L0aD1nGand the files available to use is on /var
14:06.48L0aD1nG"/var/lib/apt/lists/"
14:07.28petn-randallL0aD1nG: Don't run it against any files from apt, or you might break signatures.
14:07.51DeeleAberHatschi, I know that as a fact about windows systems. I currently want to know, if the debian based distro, I'm using, has full USB 3.0 support.
14:08.16greycat"debian based"?
14:08.17petn-randall!based on
14:08.17dpkgYour distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian.  We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/).  #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users.  Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
14:08.18AberHatschiin myDebian works Usb 3.0 very well
14:08.43jellyDeele: dunno about "full".  usb-storage USB3 devices work with reasonable speeds.
14:08.54AberHatschibut its Jessie Debian 8,0
14:09.08jellyDeele: on Debian 7.
14:09.19AberHatschiah ok
14:09.56Deeleis there some simple test/command/info in system file that would allow me to confirm that on any debian system? like something from "lsusb -v" output?
14:10.40jellyDeele: confirm what?
14:10.45greycatThe preferred programmatic way would be to test for the existence of something in /sys, but I wouldn't know what to look for specifically.
14:11.36L0aD1nGpetn-randall: what do you mean I ran it on a file of this dir
14:12.54jellyDeele: you can look for loaded xhci_hcd driver
14:13.00L0aD1nGCould this cause a problem? "apt-sortpkgs -s /var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_wheezy_updates_main_source_Sources"
14:13.23greycatstill doesn't understand what L0aD1nG is trying to accomplish
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14:13.43L0aD1nGI am trying to understand the usage
14:14.16L0aD1nGhow would that command break the signatures?
14:14.37greycatYou were already told it's a tool used to construct some of the files that sit on a package repository, which you said you are not making.
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14:15.07L0aD1nGyea, the usage != the theory..
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14:16.03L0aD1nGclear
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14:16.05L0aD1nGls
14:16.11L0aD1nGlol so sorry
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14:18.02petn-randallL0aD1nG: Make a copy of that file, if you must play around with it. Those files have cryptographic signatures to ensure any package you download is signed by the Debian project. By editing those files, you might break the signature.
14:19.10greycatJessie is apparently a very large gal.  846 MB downloaded, now I get to read another batch of NEWSes....
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14:20.17IridosJessie's got a num?
14:20.29greycatno, I'm preparing myself by upgrading my desktop box
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14:20.52IridosI'll still have to do that...
14:21.02Iridosand at home also would like to go 32bit --> 64bit
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14:21.19greycatDoes that still require a full reinstall?
14:21.21jellywill skip 64bit and will wait for x32 instead
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14:21.30L0aD1nGpetn-randall: it doesn't seem to edit, it actually doesn't even seem to consider the cryptographic signature in the sort operation, it sorts the packages by the name only..
14:21.49jellygreycat: yes.  There are ugly, hacky ways of doing it in-place.
14:21.58Iridosas far as I know it doesn't... but a reinstall with cloning package selection might actually be easier than getting stuck in multiarch dependency issues
14:21.58greycatL0aD1nG: now imagine what would happen if your sorting happened to switch two of them around.
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14:22.51Iridoshm, ok... I knew it was possible... didn't remember how ugly (or pretty) the hacks were that were needed to do it
14:23.10Iridosbut it wouldn't  be part of the wheezy->jessie upgrade anyway
14:23.25Iridosmore like wheezy32-->jessie32-->jessie64
14:23.55greycatIf you're going to make both transitions, might as well reinstall straight to jessie amd64, right?
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14:24.55Iridosthat's what I thought
14:25.23IridosI'm pushing it off, because I can't really pride myself of a working backup concept since the last move
14:25.40Iridosand even at work... I would prefer to have a local copy instead of having to get everything from tsm
14:25.47L0aD1nGgreycat: it probably doesn't make changes on what it read, it reads->sorts->outputs. I think it is like that
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14:26.13L0aD1nGI used it on the real files, nothing weird happened.
14:26.30greycatFair enough, but what they're telling you is that IF you overwrite one of the real files with your playing-around output, then the signatures may not match any more.
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14:29.56huseyinkozanhi, I have a problem with matlab installation. is this right place to  ask ?
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14:30.51L0aD1nGgreycat: I won't do that :)
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14:31.24jellyhuseyinkozan: unless the problem stems from something wrong with the OS and the OS is Debian, there's a ##matlab channel
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14:33.02huseyinkozanI installed the matlab to ubuntu and centos without any problem.
14:33.08huseyinkozanhere the error : http://pastebin.com/fbPXBF0P
14:33.22huseyinkozanI thought it was OS prblem
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14:34.49ChrisHhuseyinkozan:  Can't connect to X11 window server using ':0' as the value of the DISPLAY variable.  <--  X11 Problem. I assume you cannot even start a xterm
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14:35.04huseyinkozanI am using KDE desktop
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14:35.34ChrisHhuseyinkozan: try sudo xterm
14:35.38huseyinkozanok
14:35.40greycatWell, line 16 says it can't connect to X server :0 which probably means you need to do something like  sudo bash   and then  export XAUTHORITY="/home/$LOGNAME/.Xauthority"  and then   sh /media/cdrom/install -v
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14:36.10greycatthere are probably a dozen workarounds
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14:36.31huseyinkozan"sudo xterm" doesnt work
14:36.55ChrisHhuseyinkozan: thats the same reason. w/a see greycats suggestion
14:37.01huseyinkozangot "No protocol specified" error, I'll do some googling stuff
14:37.27huseyinkozanhmm
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14:38.08enlightifiedHow can I find out if the correct firmware has been loaded for my wifi card?
14:38.08ChrisHhuseyinkozan: if you reboot/relogin afterwards... a quick and ugly w/a might be xhost +
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14:38.17jellyChrisH, huseyinkozan: gksudo is an option instead of mere sudo
14:38.44mtnenlightified: did you check the debian wiki?
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14:39.27enlightifiednot yet?
14:39.38mtnenlightified: not sure?
14:39.40huseyinkozanok thx, I will work on it
14:39.46greycatI would *not* recommend xhost +
14:40.16enlightifiedI've searched before, so I might have :)
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14:40.27enlightifiedlet me check it first...
14:40.38mtnenlightified: look at the secition on wifi, should give you some answers
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14:45.34LeadCenobitehallo
14:45.55LeadCenobiteHow is the name of the file manager of Debian? The one which pops up when you insert USB Key?
14:46.08greycatSounds like you're using either GNOME or KDE.
14:46.15LeadCenobiteXFCE
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14:46.40huseyinkozangreycat: xauthorithy workaround worked, but got some other errors. thx.
14:46.44CeBe1in case of gnome it would be nautilus
14:47.25LeadCenobiteboth killed but still the window is there
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14:48.09LeadCenobiteIT crashed can't close the crap :(
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14:48.44greycatIf it's stuck trying to read from an unresponsive USB device, it may not be killable...
14:48.49LeadCenobiteat least closed :(
14:48.56black_13is there a way to install all the dependencies of package but not the package itself
14:51.03CeBe1black_13: http://serverfault.com/questions/577942/install-only-dependencies-of-a-given-package-in-debian-or-ubuntu-apt
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14:51.59enlightifiedmtn: I looked at it. I knew most of it. My device was not mentioned on the list: QCA9565 / AR9565. I still want to know which firmware was loaded.
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14:52.53mtnenlightified: dmseg might show it
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14:57.33greycatGot dependency errors when upgrading wheezy->jessie on packages libgtk-3-bin, adwaita-icon-theme, libgtk-3-common
14:58.38greycatTrying apt-get -f install ...
14:59.04mtngreycat: did you do dist-upgrade or just upgrade?
14:59.23greycatI did an upgrade first, which succeeded, then dist-upgrade, which failed as I said above
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15:01.16mtngreycat: did you try update and then dist-upgrade again after the problem?
15:01.38greycatNo.  The very first thing I tried is apt-get -f install, which is still running.
15:02.01mtngreycat: just wondering if the server was updated
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15:02.25greycatDunno.  It's possible.  (The downloads and package installs took a while.)
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15:03.22greycatthe -f install seems to have worked.  got a prompt with no errors before it.
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15:06.26greycatthen does an apt-get install linux-image-amd64 and a second apt-get dist-upgrade ... man, this thing is BIG.
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15:06.59eskatremHey, I am writing a small script that contains 'ssh myserver "sudo /etc/init/d/apache2 restart"', which I want to run from my local machine to a server to automatically restart apache (it does other things as well, but that's beside the point), however, I am getting: sudo: no tty present and no askpass program specified.  Is there a way to execute sudo from ssh and can I store the password of the server?
15:07.11_habnabiteskatrem, ssh -tt ...
15:07.12greycatssh -t
15:07.46buueskatrem: You could suid a script that restarts apache
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15:08.05greycatLast time I checked, setuid scripts don't work on Linux.
15:08.38jellyor carefully configure sudo not to require a living tty
15:08.54_habnabitis the best way to have multiple ip addresses on the same interface without going into eth0:0 nonsense still to have `up ip addr add 1.2.3.4 dev eth0` `down ip addr del 1.2.3.4 dev eth0` ?
15:09.04_habnabiti mean, in /etc/network/interfaces
15:09.16eskatrembuu suid?
15:09.18jelly_habnabit: I wasn't told about anything better
15:09.32_habnabitdrat
15:09.40eskatremok greycat and _habnabit I will check ssh -t
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15:09.57buueskatrem: setuid, its a way to give a specific program elevated permissions
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15:10.11buuOr.. apparently not
15:10.13_habnabitexcept you can't setuid scripts, so
15:10.17greycatHas Linux been *changed* to allow setuid scripts?
15:10.20_habnabitno
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15:10.22eskatrembuu: I have to do that from my machine or my server?
15:10.34_habnabiteskatrem, you can't do it at all; just ignore buu
15:10.42greycateskatrem: if it worked, which it doesn't, it would have been on the server side
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15:10.49eskatremsetuid, you mean a script that runs su -i   ?
15:10.53buugreycat: Do you mean 'script' as in a file that executes another program to execute it?
15:11.00buueskatrem: Scratch the idea
15:11.02_habnabita script is a thing with a shebang
15:11.11greycatbuu: Yes, any script that relies on #! in the first two bytes
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15:12.16_habnabithttp://www.in-ulm.de/~mascheck/various/shebang/#setuid
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15:12.31eskatremI am not a security expert, but it seems dangerous to have a script that has su -i
15:13.34buuint main () { system("/etc/init.d/...") } =[
15:13.35greycatIt has NOTHING TO DO with putting the su command inside the script.
15:13.54buueskatrem: Just ignore it, it was a bad idea.
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15:14.31eskatrembuu: ok, ssh -t then
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15:15.03greycatThe simplest fix is to use ssh -t and continue typing the passwords every time.  The next fix up the ladder of convenience would be to configure sudo on the server not to require a password.
15:15.42eskatremgreycat: and configuring sudo on the server not to require a password is good practise?
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15:15.56greycatIt's totally up to you, to decide whether that is a security risk you can live with.
15:16.45_habnabiteskatrem, pam_ssh_agent_auth is pretty cool
15:16.58eskatrem_habnabit: let me check
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15:19.34greycat,versions libjack-jackd2-0
15:19.35juddPackage: libjack-jackd2-0 on i386 -- squeeze: 1.9.6~dfsg.1-2; wheezy: 1.9.8~dfsg.4+20120529git007cdc37-5; sid: 1.9.10+20140719git3eb0ae6a~dfsg-2; jessie: 1.9.10+20140719git3eb0ae6a~dfsg-2
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15:20.17greycatlooks at that version number... wonders how having a GIT hash ID is supposed to be sortable...
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15:20.58buuSort the stuf.. before it?
15:21.06greycat"Well, it should be OK as long as they never make two commits on the same day!"  "Then why bother including the commit ID?  Why not just use the date?:
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15:28.18greycatHuh, jessie includes tcl 8.6.2 ... that can't be good, unless it's patched to fix the networking bugs
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15:36.21greycatWoah.  Shit just got WEIRD.
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15:36.43greycatI have blank lines pushing up partial lines...
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15:37.51enlightifiedok so I have the ar3k/AthrBT_0x31010000.dfu ar3k/ramps_0x31010000_40.dfu drivers loaded.  how can I find out it these are the correct drivers for my QCA9565 / AR9565.
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15:38.10enlightifiedAnd yes I have googled it :)
15:38.28greycatOK, pressing Alt seems to have restored my console.  Maybe it was a weird-ass screen saver that only blanked parts of the screen and not other parts.
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15:39.00greycatThis dist-upgrade should be finite in length, right?  It's going to end eventually...?
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15:39.32convergewhen I upload files using SFTP (ssh) it creates the files with 000 permission, can I change it ?
15:39.38zinxgreycat: yes but if you're upgrading to jessie it will upgrade until jessie is released (just kidding :P )
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15:43.21buuconverge: umask?
15:43.28|splat|Hi, I’m trying to use the ftpsync script to create a local archive but it seems to time out in stage 2 every run. I get “something went wrong in stage2” and “rsync: read error: connection reset by peer” “error in rsync protocol stream (code 12)"
15:43.28buusshd config?
15:43.43convergebuu: umask is 022, looks ok
15:44.11greycatif you typed that at a shell, that isn't necessarily the umask that sshd is using
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15:45.48greycatLook, a prompt!  Now I guess I reboot and see what breaks.  Or maybe do the postgres cluster thing first.
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15:48.43enlightifiedIt seems we can't disable wireless n mode using ath9k right?
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15:49.45greycat... and now my clean ctrl-alt-del reboot triggered an fsck with journal recovery and 3 orphaned inodes.  systemd, I presume.
15:50.00greycatshoulda done a paranoid "sync" or something
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15:51.13greycatOK!  First jessie question: how do I stop getty from clearing the console every time?  The --noclear arguments in /etc/inittab obviously no longer work.
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15:53.19p3rrorcan we run a elf 32bit on 64bit arch
15:53.26centrx!multiarch
15:53.26dpkgMultiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages.  For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update».  See http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch and <multiarch howto>, <multiarch failures>.  For the unrelated installer that can install i386 or amd64, see <multi-arch installer>.
15:53.29greycatyes, as long as you install whatever shared libs it needs
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15:54.23p3rrorgreycat: so I dont need multiarch
15:54.40greycatmultiarch is a way to install shared libs from the i386 arch...
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15:55.39greycatOh fuck me sideways... SECOND jessie question: why is x2x only transmitting mouse events and not keyboard events? :( :(
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15:58.18greycatwell, so much for getting much accomplished today other than battling jessie changes...
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16:03.19gnat_xhi folks, i'm working on a project that may one day get packaged for debian. it consists of both a set of python cli tools, as well as a simple pygtk gui. my question is, what are the naming conventions around that split <projectname> and <projectname>-gui? My eventual goal is that the cli stuff could be installed indpendently of the gui.
16:03.30gnat_xany packages i should look at for hints?
16:03.43gnat_xi want to take the opportunity to start this correctly.
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16:17.02greycatfinds this for the x2x problem: https://github.com/dottedmag/x2x/issues/9
16:17.59greycatYup, same issue for me: all keys go over as keycode 204 (NoSymbol)
16:18.16greycatGuess I get to compile it from source...
16:18.33jellyp3rror: the kernel is compatible.  If your binary is not statically linked, then you'll need multiarch to get runtime deps.
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16:21.41hawkChowto add a user read and write privelegs? i tried -rw-r--r-- but shell tells me command not found, sry i'm beginner.
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16:22.21socommhawkC: R/W privileges for who?
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16:23.09hawkCi installed proftpd but i can't upload files with my user1..so i tried as root to change the R/W privelegs for user1
16:23.57hawkC-rw-r--r--  user1 /usr/share/nginx/www
16:24.01hawkCdoesn't work :p
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16:24.31hawkCi can't find any useful website for beginners so i'm asking here
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16:26.00superlinux-hpany one here has this server : HP Proliant ML350 Gen9? I cannot install debian. I have an HP smart array SAS cage. it sees only iSCSI  and I don't know how to install on such system
16:26.17greycathawkC: if you are trying to create a new file in a directory, your user account needs write permissions on the directory
16:27.22hawkCgreycat. yes, you are right. and i tried to give my user1 write permission but i'm to silly for it..i don't know how
16:27.50superlinux-hpit comes with HP smart array p440
16:27.53hawkCi checked some websites but they doesn't describe how to add permission for a single user
16:27.58greycatwhat directory are you trying to write into?  use "ls -ld /that/directory" to see its permissions.
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16:28.26hawkCdirectory: /usr/share/nginx/www
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16:28.43greycatbut you said it had -rw-r--r-- so it isn't a directory
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16:29.01greycatls -ld /usr/share/nginx/www
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16:29.54hawkCgreycat: http://pastebin.com/04nEE2rW
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16:30.11greycatls -ld /usr/share/nginx/www
16:30.14greycatWITH A d
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16:31.22hawkChttp://pastebin.com/8RSZQ8Fp
16:31.38lroeAnyone have any ideas on how best to 'reshare/proxy/buffer/etc' a network camera so that 1000s of people can view it and the actual camera doesn't fall over?
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16:32.22greycatAll right, the directory is owned by user root, group root, and has 755 permissions.  In other words, nobody but root can write to it currently.
16:32.34hawkCok
16:32.40greycatIf you want a bunch of users to be able to write there, what you would normally do is create a group, put the users in the group, chgrp yourgroup /dir and chmod 775 /dir
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16:33.16Suschi00hello
16:33.44Suschi00if i give www-data root and host apache and other things ... is it a secure problem ?
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16:36.50hawkCgreycat: ok, i created a group "ftpaccess". and i used "usermod -a -G ftpaccess user1" ...now my user should be in group ftpaccess.
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16:36.56hawkCwas it correctly?
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16:37.03centrxSuschi00, I'm not sure what you mean, but having the web server run as a non-root user does enhance security.
16:37.57greycathawkC: if you log out and back in, and run "id", you will find out
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16:40.31hawkCgreycat: yes. id user1 tells me that user1 is in grp ftpaccess.
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16:42.38OozeHi. My server has been randomly rebooting over the past two days after I moved it into a new rack, but I think it had done it a couple times before.
16:42.39greycathawkC: chgrp ftpaccess /usr/share/nginx/www ; chmod 775 /usr/share/nginx/www
16:42.50OozeLast it was up for 4-5 hours, then it was up for about 16 and it just rebooted again
16:43.00OozeI have no idea why, I don't think it's hardware but I'm not sure
16:43.06asdfgHow do i setup telnet in debian jessie, cant find either telnetd or inetd :(
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16:43.27greycatWell.  Um.  The patch in https://github.com/dottedmag/x2x/issues/9 most certainly does NOT work for me.
16:43.35asdfgOr actually how i start it... since i installed the package
16:43.46hawkCgreycat: thanks it works! :-)
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16:44.46greycatFuck!  No xev on the HP-UX workstation, so I can't easily compare what's going on...
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16:45.36asdfgnvm it works :D
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16:46.15dimitry7Hi Guys. I am trying to change my startup order of nepenthes, it starts at S01, and makes conflict with apache which starts at S02. Then I do this: update-rc.d nepenthes start 03 2 3 4 5 . stop 19 0 1 6 .
16:46.30greycatAfter lunch, I'll see if I can recompile the wheezy version and see if that works....
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16:46.31dimitry7but it doesnt work, it still updates the init scripts with S01
16:46.35teraflopgreycat: this is not twitter ...
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17:00.19n3ptunhey all. According to Debian Wiki I did set up my /etc/network/interfaces exactly like the wiki said. My file looks like that ==> http://paste.debian.net/163964/ I have only one physical NIC and I want eth0 to have NO IP ADDRESS and only eth0.222 have an IP.
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17:01.20n3ptunAt the moment eth0.222 has the IP I assigned to it for VLAN222, but eth0 also gets an IP by the DHCP server on vlan0(default). How can I stop eth0 to have an IP address assigned ?
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17:09.50valdynn3ptun: how ddid you get those pre-up and post-down  stanzas?
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17:10.31OozeMy server keeps randomly rebooting every couple hours, I just pulled this from the time it went down in the syslog. Anyone have any idea? http://paste.incorrigible.me/jiyusiqari.hs
17:10.32dimitry7Hi Guys. I am trying to change my startup order of nepenthes, it starts at S01, and makes conflict with apache which starts at S02. Then I do this: update-rc.d nepenthes start 03 2 3 4 5 . stop 19 0 1 6 .
17:10.34dimitry7but it doesnt work, it still updates the init scripts with S01
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17:12.14valdynOoze: nothing in that log seems relevant
17:12.30OozeExcept for that it reboot at exactly that time
17:12.34OozeSo I figure it would be
17:12.56valdynOoze: next time its going to boot at a different point, probably
17:12.58Oozelast reboot was 12:19
17:13.07OozeWhat do you mean?
17:13.41valdynOoze: but your log starts *after* 12:19
17:14.06OozeWell it doesn't print seconds in last reboot
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17:14.17OozeSo it's still 12:19 even if it's 12:19:59
17:14.33valdynOoze: no matter, you are showing us the log of what happened *after* the reboot
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17:14.47valdynOoze: and that is totally useless
17:14.51OozeImmediately prior to that is 12:17
17:14.56OozeThat's the only earlier log
17:15.09OozeWell there are others, but that's right before
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17:15.45valdynOoze: whatever, the thing you pasted is not useful to find the error
17:15.50Oozehttp://paste.incorrigible.me/ukekuparod.hs
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17:16.18valdynOoze: same - not indicative of anything
17:16.35OozeOkayyyyy well where would relevant logs be then?
17:16.46OozeDon't get irritated at me that I don't know what I'm looking for, that's why I'm here.
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17:17.02valdynOoze: there may be no log
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17:17.28OozeIt was up for ~15 hours just fine, and before that it might have been 4-5 hours
17:17.31valdynOoze: the most reliable log to capture everything that can possibly be logged is a serial console
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17:18.10valdynOoze: what if this was a micro power outage? would you know?
17:18.24OozeThere's another machine pulled into the same rack and it's been up for 3 days just fine
17:18.32Ooze:s/pulled/plugged
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17:18.45valdynOoze: ok
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17:19.05valdynOoze: chances are that this is a hardware defect
17:19.25valdynOoze: get a serial log going, run memtest86, thats 2 options
17:19.31OozeHow do I even begin troubleshooting that? I moved it from a shelf to a rack the other day and it's been doing this more often
17:19.39OozeIt might have once or twice over two months before, random reboots
17:19.59greycatteraflop: well, I'm sorry that MY debian problems and questions are not interesting enough for YOU.
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17:21.04MrDetoniaDoes anybody here use the syntastic plugin for Vim?
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17:21.26valdynOoze: theres no easy way. I think you'll be lucky if memtest86 finds something.
17:22.17teraflopgreycat: no i dont care about your timeline
17:22.23valdynOoze: does that system have ec memory?
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17:23.01valdynMrDetonia: I think i do
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17:24.15MrDetoniavaldyn, do you know anything about changing what it regards as errors? Only it's highlighting an extended initialiser in C++ code, saying it's only available in c++11, which I am using :/
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17:25.46valdynMrDetonia: no idea, havent tried that
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17:25.59valdynMrDetonia: i think you will have to edit the syntax checker source anyway
17:26.14valdynMrDetonia: bundle/syntastic/syntax_checkers/
17:26.37MrDetoniavaldyn, yeah that's what I was afraid of :P I'm struggling to find much documentation on settings
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17:27.02valdynMrDetonia: hmm, but you really only want it to work in c++11 mode
17:27.25MrDetoniayeah, but I think it works based on filetype/extension
17:27.52MrDetoniaUnless I could get it to find a makefile and parse it's options, but that seems like much more trouble than it's worth
17:27.53valdynhttp://choorucode.com/2014/11/06/how-to-set-c-compiler-options-for-syntastic/
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17:28.17valdynMrDetonia: ^^
17:28.22MrDetoniaAh! Thank you
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17:29.06Eryn_1983_FLhhey peeps
17:29.26Eryn_1983_FLis there a list of file sharing apps for linux out tyere
17:29.28Eryn_1983_FLthere
17:29.41Eryn_1983_FLi was using samba cifs
17:29.43valdynEryn_1983_FL: google it?
17:29.50Eryn_1983_FLlol
17:29.57valdynEryn_1983_FL: that is not what people usually call file-sharing
17:30.00Eryn_1983_FLapt cache
17:30.00aptmethinks cache is the WayBAckMachine at http://www.archive.org
17:30.08valdynEryn_1983_FL: you want a network filesystem
17:30.10Eryn_1983_FLfile repo
17:30.14Eryn_1983_FLqh
17:30.21Eryn_1983_FLsee words matter
17:30.34valdynEryn_1983_FL: theres many options, but your need determines which one to use
17:30.42valdynEryn_1983_FL: so what you it you need out of it?
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17:30.56valdynEryn_1983_FL: so what is it you need out of it?
17:30.59Eryn_1983_FLi was using samba nd cifs but i got rid of ad and winbind
17:31.16Eryn_1983_FLi want to use kerberos users
17:31.32Eryn_1983_FLand keep uids the same
17:31.44valdynEryn_1983_FL: kerberos but *not* ad?
17:31.46Eryn_1983_FLand let windows clients see it w o
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17:31.59Eryn_1983_FLno ad too much for what i need
17:32.09valdynEryn_1983_FL: but way easier to setup
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17:32.11Eryn_1983_FLand uses up resources i need
17:32.18valdynEryn_1983_FL: not really
17:32.26d0uglashi folks.. does kernel 3.16.0-4 support reiser4 or does it need to be patched?
17:32.28valdynEryn_1983_FL: you can use the all in one samba4
17:32.41Eryn_1983_FLits another server running
17:33.08Eryn_1983_FLok samba 4? it work with kerbrros uers via pam
17:33.18Oozevaldyn, I don't know. I just checked the power and other basic hardware stuff and it seems fine
17:33.19Eryn_1983_FLsorry for spelling phone
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17:33.27OozeAgain, it'll be up for ~14 hours before it reboots
17:33.30valdynEryn_1983_FL: active directory *is* kerberos
17:33.31OozeIt's different every time
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17:33.41Eryn_1983_FLand windoss ....
17:34.01valdynEryn_1983_FL: you have a preexisting kerberos system that is not based on ad?
17:34.13Eryn_1983_FLlinux
17:34.15Eryn_1983_FLkdc
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17:34.57valdynOoze: you can really only do what i said...
17:35.21n3ptunvaldyn: I did exactly what the Debian-WiKi said ==> https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Bringing_up_an_interface_without_an_IP_address
17:35.22valdynOoze: did you tell if that system has ec memory?
17:35.32OozeI have no idea
17:35.45OozeI've had it for months, this is a new issue
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17:36.34greycathi  x2x            1.27.svn.200 amd64        Link two X displays together, sim
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17:36.40greycat"fixed" :-/
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17:39.03n3ptunvaldyn: but my eth0 comes up and gets a DHCP lease, and I don't want eth0 to have an IP address.
17:39.18greycatAnyone want to take a crack at my first jessie question yet?  How do you stop getty clearing the console?  In wheezy it was done by adding --noclear flags in /etc/inittab but that no longer works in jessie.
17:39.47valdynn3ptun: it does not, unless some dhcp client is *still* running or unless some other program like NetworkManager does it
17:39.55Eryn_1983_FLi guess i will use samba or sshfs
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17:40.19Eryn_1983_FLi just need my backups to work and be able to move files
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17:41.00Eryn_1983_FLi like samba winbind rid but the ovrr head of dual windows machines was annoying
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17:46.54greycatOK, here's jessie question number three!  It has a visual aid.  How do I either make this font stop being ugly, or make firefox stop using this font?  http://imgur.com/v2caNOd
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18:02.00n3ptunvaldyn: I did disable gdm3 by "systemctl disable gdm3" so it isn't started at system boot. I did the same for "network-manager" and I ensured with "ls /etc/rc* |grep -i network" that the network-manager is not started on any runlevel. But when I reboot "network-manager" is shown in process list, HOW ?
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18:02.24n3ptunsorry, I did mean "update-rc.d remove gdm3"
18:02.32n3ptunand the same for network-manager
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18:05.30n3ptunis "NetworkManager" started somehow automagically by systemd? I don't know this systemd stuff, yet and I have no clue how to disable it. I though removing "gdm3" would be enough, it wasn't. So I removed "network-manager" from my runlevel script, but it was enough. Network-Manager and dhclient still are running when I reboot system :(
18:06.44mtnn3ptun: if  you are using systemd , you need to use the systemctl command to enable and disable and start/stop
18:07.06mtnn3ptun: notice I said "if"
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18:11.26knosysI would like to say that Debian jessie + gnome has some terrible problem. Had freezes every 20 seconds aprox (like 5+ second system freeze, everytime) . I didnt figure out what was causing the problem. But I switched to kde and freezes gone forever. Now I installed Debian wheezy + Gnome and works fine
18:12.13srghas used Xfce, lxde, and enlightenment on Jessie with no problem.
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18:12.52n3ptunmtn: as I upgrade to Jessie I should have systemd, right?
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18:13.09hassoonow, that enlightenment..how good is it
18:13.15hassoonit seemed interesting in its site
18:13.36srgn3ptun: If you upgrade, you might not be using systemd.
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18:14.04srgA fresh install (or a manual install to systemd) of jessie will use systemd
18:14.19srghassoon: It's interesting...I found I like Xfce over all of them
18:14.38srgI like simplicty (of layout and design and config...) yet enough features to feel "modernish"
18:14.46hassoonsrg: i3wm here :>
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18:16.00n3ptunjust to be sure I understood: network-manager is the part in X which is handling the network interface in my system? when I do "systemctl disable network-manager" will my /etc/network/interfaces take effect?
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18:17.08n3ptundamn: I also did execute "systemctl disable network-manager" with success ,but after a reboot "NetworkManager" and "dhclient" still are running. What the hell ?!
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18:17.56vookI recently modified the root crontab on about 200 servers using a GNU expect script that created a random daily entry and wrote it directly to /var/spool/cron/crontabs/root, followed by a cron restart. The tab isn't running though, it only seems to run if I go in an manually do a 'crontab -e' and write it out, tough to do on 200 systems. Anyone know how of a way I can force it to acknowledge manual changes to the crontab ?
18:18.25karlpincn3ptun: network manager is just a gui interface to allow you turn turn the network off and on.    It didn't used to play nicely with /etc/network/interfaces.  Don't know how it works lately.
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18:19.06sheapI'm trying to add a secret key, but GPG keeps responding with "gpg: no writable keyring found: eof", even though my .gnupg/secring.gpg file does exist...
18:19.43karlpincvook: You might have to read the code and figure out how it signals cron.  But, I bet that restarting cron will work.  Haven't tried it though.
18:20.00vookkarlpinc: yeah, restarting cron didn't do it.
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18:20.29n3ptunkarlpinc: ok, I understand. But my problem at the moment is, it isn't deactivated at all. I did run "systemctl disable gdm3 network-manager", I also did execute "update-rc.d gdm3 remove && update-rc.d network-manager" and nothing helped. When I reboot "gdm3" and "network-manager" (and thus "dhclient") are running. Where do they come from?
18:20.40karlpincvook: Might be better off with something in /etc/cron.d/.  Just a thought.
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18:21.26srgsheap: Is the keyring +rw? Are the dirs above it +rx?
18:21.39vookkarlpinc: yeah, but I needed random times. Otherwise all servers would run an update at the sametime (using cron.daily)
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18:22.32karlpincn3ptun: Perhaps it's not run via systemd.  Try update-rc.d instead.
18:23.05sheapsrg:  yea they are all proper, adding a public key works, and doing "gpg --list-keys" shows the public key that is added, but "gpg --list-secret-keys" has nothing in it :(
18:23.15vookkarlpinc: ah, I see, I'll try that...
18:23.17karlpincvook: /etc/cron.d/ is a directory in which you can drop crontabs, with whatever content you like.
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18:23.49karlpincvook: Don't forget to specify the user.  the crontab format is slightly different there.
18:25.26n3ptunkarlpinc: see my last post, I did run "all" of them, systemctl and also tried update-rc.d
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18:26.21n3ptun"pstree" is showing me that systemd is at the top of everything, so I assume systemd is running and active
18:26.37srgsheap: Try moving the .gnupg directory elsewhere (say, ~/.gnupg_backup), and then running gpg again to see if it works. It should recreate the dir/files with the proper permissions
18:27.03n3ptunbut where and how the hell can "gdm3", "network-manager" be executed although I disabled them by "systemctl disable gdm3" and "systemctl disable network-manager" ?
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18:29.28sheapsrg: yea I've also deleted/recreated the .gnupg directory but that didn't work :(
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18:30.48srgsheap: That seems very odd. Are there attributes on the directory? or even your homedir?
18:30.56srgsheap: It definitely seems like a permissions error somewhere.
18:31.17srgsheap: Are you using gpg1 or gpg2 (I doubt it matters though)?
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18:34.07teraflopgreycat: about that redering issue on firefox i think the only way to fix it, is just set a font substitution in the fontconfig file since firefox fails rendering that fonts no matter what fallback fonts you have
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18:34.58teraflopgreycat: http://a.pomf.se/adreap.png
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18:36.15greycatOK.  I'm currently trying to figure out what a fontconfig is and how to configure it, having come to somewhat the same answer via Google searches and half-assed web forum answers.
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18:37.53greycatApparently I will have to write some XML.
18:37.57teraflopgreycat: i just did http://ix.io/hdJ since i had the same issue
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18:39.04greycatteraflop: Whee!  Thank you.  That works.
18:39.12teraflopgreycat: my ~/.config/fontconfig/fonts.conf looks http://ix.io/hdK
18:39.16teraflopah nice
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18:39.43greycatI put it in ~/.fonts.conf since that's where they said to put things when there is no XDG_CONFIG_HOME and I have no such env var, because I don't use any Desktop Environment.
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18:40.48teraflopgreycat: I do xmonad but i set all the xdg stuff on my .bash/zsh.profile
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18:42.56greycatdpkg, lucida is The Font That Cannot Be Rendered.  Replace it, by configuring fontconfig (see <http://www.freedesktop.org/software/fontconfig/fontconfig-user.html>) with a snippet like <http://paste.debian.net/163985/>
18:42.57dpkg...but lucida is already something else...
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18:43.05teraflopyes it is
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18:43.33greycatOh.  I typoed it when I asked him before.
18:44.13greycatdpkg, lucida fix is Lucida is The Font That Cannot Be Rendered.  Replace it, by configuring fontconfig (see <http://www.freedesktop.org/software/fontconfig/fontconfig-user.html>) with a snippet like <http://paste.debian.net/163985/>
18:44.14dpkgokay, greycat
18:45.37greycatdpkg, lucida is also see <lucida fix>
18:45.37dpkggreycat: okay
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18:46.09kokotakushi guys can someone help me please? I am trying to run this script on my QNAP http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/installer-armel/current/images/kirkwood/network-console/qnap/ts-41x/flash-debian
18:46.09kokotakusbut I got this error http://pastebin.com/kafUhRe4
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18:46.48kokotakusI am executing it with sh flash-debian
18:47.02kokotakusis it problem with encoding or something?
18:47.26kokotakusI am following this guide http://www.cyrius.com/debian/kirkwood/qnap/ts-41x/install/
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18:47.43karlpincgreycat: That paste will go away.  Bad to put it in a factoid.  (And, you can talk directly to dpkg to set factoids rather than go through the channel.)
18:48.07karlpincgreycat: Maybe add an entry to the debian wiki?
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18:53.19kokotakushi guys can someone help me please?  I am following this guide http://www.cyrius.com/debian/kirkwood/qnap/ts-41x/install/
18:53.19kokotakusI am trying to run this script on my QNAP http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/installer-armel/current/images/kirkwood/network-console/qnap/ts-41x/flash-debian
18:53.19kokotakusbut I got this error when I run "sh flash-debian" http://pastebin.com/kafUhRe4
18:53.19kokotakusIs it due to encoding or something? Please help me I want debian so much on my device
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18:54.24kokotakusplease can you answer my prrevious question? pls pls
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18:58.56convergekokotakus: show the hole output
18:59.22srgwhole*
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19:00.06kokotakusconverge: this is the whole output after I type "sh flash-debian" http://pastebin.com/kafUhRe4
19:01.02kokotakusconverge: I thought it might be something with wrong encoding or old script version syntax or something
19:01.28kokotakusconverge: its this file http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/installer-armel/current/images/kirkwood/network-console/qnap/ts-41x/flash-debian
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19:03.37sheapsrg: yea I have no idea
19:03.47sheapsrg: as a different user it works perfectly fine
19:04.13d3fault_why are meta/virtual packages used instead of just a regular package with dependencies?  i find that uninstalling a meta/virtual package most always never marks any of the dependencies available for auto-removal
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19:04.34Z3r0bytewant to create an ftp server? is debian server a good choice?
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19:06.04valdynd3fault_: a meta package is a regular package
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19:06.41valdynd3fault_: it just has as its main feature the dependencies, not the contained files.
19:06.54d3fault_it's treated specially though. it doesn't mark it's dependencies as being available for auto-removal
19:07.02valdynd3fault_: no
19:07.36valdynd3fault_: its just a regular package
19:07.45d3fault_maybe i'm explaining this wrong. can't you deduce what i'm trying to say?
19:08.05valdynd3fault_: i know what you are trying to say, but a meta package is treated the same as any other package
19:08.07kokotakusconverge: are you checking it out?
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19:08.28d3fault_valdyn, except when uninstalling!
19:08.37valdynd3fault_: no!
19:08.41d3fault_yes!
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19:08.58kokotakusconverge: I have an idea to edit the script, just for my model, with less code maybe it will pass
19:09.24valdynd3fault_: yes, it is, every package installed as a dependency of a "meta package" is in some packaging tools marked as auto
19:09.29convergekokotakus: the output dont say much, try debug the script
19:09.39valdynd3fault_: the same is the case with any other real package
19:09.50d3fault_apt-get install <some-meta-package>; ...it installs a bunch of packages...; apt-get remove <some-meta-package>; ...the packages installed by the metapackages are still installed! this is not desired behaviour
19:09.51kokotakusconverge: ok thanks
19:10.03valdynd3fault_: this is configurted in apt-get
19:10.18valdynd3fault_: apt-get *cannot* know that any package is a meta-package
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19:11.02d3fault_valdyn, so what's the workaround?
19:11.26valdynd3fault_: who configured your apt-get ?
19:11.47d3fault_valdyn, it's stock. what should i change? link to instructions?
19:11.56valdynd3fault_: well, its not stock
19:12.16valdynd3fault_: not *debian* stock anyway, since probably wheezy, maybe earlier
19:12.19d3fault_debian wheezy xfce live installer configured my apt
19:12.58jhutchinsd3fault_: Is there a particular metapackage that you're struggling with?
19:13.01valdynd3fault_: maybe the "meta" package was not installed by apt-get
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19:13.09valdynd3fault_: but by tasksel for instance
19:13.14d3fault_jhutchins, no, but it's annoying in general
19:13.40valdynd3fault_: or maybe by aptitude
19:13.52sheapsrg: well a workaround was to import it into the other user's secret keyring, then copy secring.gpg to the .gnupg directory that i wanted it to be in
19:13.55d3fault_valdyn, i try to never use dpkg/tasksel. it was apt that i triggered that installed the meta package ultimately
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19:14.23valdynd3fault_: if you did, then all packages installed as a dependency would be marked auto
19:14.33greycatkarlpinc: I clicked "forever" on the paste site.  Does it still expire?
19:14.34valdynd3fault_: unless you ran unmarkauto...
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19:15.06greycatkarlpinc: it says "expires: never" when viewed
19:15.09d3fault_valdyn, usually the main package installed implicitly through a meta package is even still installed... after i uninstall the meta package
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19:15.46d3fault_(usually = every time)
19:15.56valdynd3fault_: well, apt-get does not remove, it just shows you a list of automatically installed packages , to be removed with autoremove
19:16.01kokotakusconverge: I debugged the script now it seems to work :)
19:16.11convergekokotakus: awesome :)
19:16.16kokotakusconverge: its flashing debian on my qnap right now i am so excited lol
19:16.41d3fault_valdyn, they are not shown to be eligible for autoremove when in uninstall the meta package. none of them are
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19:17.02thomas_dhey what's the command to change domain name? I can only find a debian page on how to change hostname
19:17.06valdynd3fault_: you can markauto, but you have to find and pick the packages to mark yourself
19:17.08thomas_dor the config file or whatever
19:17.17valdynd3fault_: or you can now run "apt-get autoremove" to see what it would do
19:17.28d3fault_valdyn, that's apt's job
19:18.05gnoxhi folks, i run jessie as singleboot. on every boot i get the ugly grub bootloader menu. is it possible to change that and just boot without the boot-menu?
19:18.16d3fault_valdyn. so what is the benefit of a metapackage over a just a package with the same packages as dependencies? seems to me it buys nothing and loses the autoremoval abilities
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19:18.48valdynd3fault_: please stop this, i told you, a meta package is regular package, you just call it metapackage, it has no special feature
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19:19.12valdynd3fault_: and its not treated special by any tool, because computers cannot know what is a meta package and what is not
19:19.27kokotakusI just debugged a script from net which didnt work, and now it works and I feel like a god
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19:19.59d3fault_valdyn. so why is metapackage used??? it loses autoremove abilities. let's not argue on whether or not it's a "regular" package as seen by other apps/etc
19:19.59greycatgnox: having the grub menu appear is important if you ever want to change the boot flags (e.g. to boot in rescue/single-user mode)
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19:20.17srggnox: I'm not sure how to bypass the menu entirely, but you can decrease the "timeout" period to like 2 seconds or so
19:20.24valdynd3fault_: umm, it does not lose autoremove
19:20.33dondelelcarod3fault_: the whole point of a metapackage is to allow for the easy installation of related software. You can still use autoremove if you want.
19:20.45d3fault_how can i then?
19:20.48valdyni feel trolled
19:20.54valdynso *plonk*
19:21.02dondelelcarod3fault_: by marking whatever you want as automatically installed?
19:21.02d3fault_apt-get install metapackage && apt-get remove metapackage == DOESN'T WORK
19:21.10dondelelcarod3fault_: of course it does
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19:21.36d3fault_no, it doesn't. only the metapackage is removed, not the package+dependencies installed implicitly by the metapackage
19:21.55dondelelcarod3fault_: yes, because then you run apt-get autoremove; and those packages which were automatically installed are removed.
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19:22.26jhutchinsd3fault_: If you just want to philosophise about how apt/dpkg should work this is not the place.
19:22.29d3fault_dondelelcaro, my experiences have been different. the packages are still installed and stay installed even after autoremove
19:22.40jhutchinsd3fault_: If you have a specific support question we'd be glad to help.
19:22.53d3fault_jhutchins #apt is empty :(
19:23.09jhutchinsd3fault_: That doesn't make it on-topic here.
19:23.14dondelelcarod3fault_: if so, it's a bug. File a bug report with the precise set of packages and their state both before the install, after the install, after the remove, and after the autoremove.
19:23.16d3fault_debian created apt....
19:23.21dondelelcarod3fault_: and if this isn't Debian, then it's not on topic here.
19:23.29gnoxgreycat and srg: hmm how does that work on *buntu? if you install a singleboot *ntu - no bootloader is displayed...
19:23.35greycat!ubuntu
19:23.36dpkgUbuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian.  Only Debian is supported on #debian.  Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead.  Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.  See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
19:23.44srggnox: no idea how ubuntu does it
19:23.48d3fault_lol that's like saying "windows update isn't windows"
19:24.01srggnox: i've used it once like 5 years ago
19:24.31gnoxgreycat: i didn't ask for support on *buntu
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19:25.24valdyngnox: the menu in grub is optional, the timeout is configurable
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19:26.20greycatI would ask a Ubuntu user how they boot into single-user mode, then.  It should be hilarious.
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19:26.36greycatMaybe it's something about upstart, who knows.
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19:26.46gnoxvaldyn: when the menu is optional - how to disable it (if it is possible)?
19:26.53valdyngnox: i dont know
19:26.56valdyngnox: read the docs
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19:27.30gnoxkk guys - thanks i'll go further then, thanks
19:27.45teraflopgnox: GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET GRUB_FORCE_HIDDEN_MENU etc etc
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20:24.21rg_metalI want to use the grml setup with debian but I am running into some trouble. On my arch linux machine I have text highlighting and completion and everything.. but I can't find out how to get that with debian weezy. Anyone have any suggestions?
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20:26.11jhutchinsrg_metal: You'd basically have to figure out which applications were involved, and where grml had customized them or configured them differently.
20:26.15hyuiHi, when i removed a package and rm-rf the config dir and tried to install it again the configuration files is not installed anymore, how do i solve this issue with aptitude?
20:26.31greycatPurge the package, then reinstall it.
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20:26.57greycat(or use dpkg with --force-confmiss but purging is going to be simpler.)
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20:27.58rg_metaljhutchins, zsh
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20:29.06hyuigreycat:, oh wait a minute i used --purge with aptitude it should be purge
20:29.33greycatIf the package has been successfully purged, then reinstalling should replace the missing conf files, since there is no longer a record of them having been deleted "on purpose".
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20:30.21hyuinow i feel stupid ^^
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20:30.33hyuiThanks greycat
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20:34.17rg_metaljhutchins, there are a lot of packages I want but I need some extra repository right? I'm coming from Arch Linux so I am spoiled with pacman.
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20:38.31jhutchinsrg_metal: Debian has what's probably the largest collection of "official" packages, something over 30,000.  Third party/PPA repositories are not usually recommended.
20:38.49nkuttleri'd say they are dangerous
20:39.26rg_metalwell I mean.. maybe I'm using the wrong repo or something.. I had to find the repo for weechat just to get a new version of it
20:39.28jhutchinsrg_metal: Some software projects provide their own home-built .deb packages that haven't been incorporated, but generally if it hasn't been adopted it's because it doesn't meet the quality standards for Debian.
20:39.42ZIPYhi, is there a fix for flashplayer that avoids canceling the fullscreen when clicking somewhere on my 2nd monitor?
20:39.56jhutchinsrg_metal: If it's not available in the Debian repositories, your best solution is to compile it from "upstream" project source code.
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20:40.16rg_metaljhutchins, where can I find a list of the offical debian repos?
20:40.19jhutchinsrg_metal: That gives you the knowledge and control to support it yourself.
20:40.29jhutchins!repos
20:40.46polyphagiaZIPY: which videos are you watching with flash?
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20:40.59jhutchinsdondelelcaro: dpkg seems to have fallen off it's perch.
20:41.06ZIPYany video on youtube for example
20:41.07nkuttler,v weechat
20:41.08juddPackage: weechat on i386 -- squeeze-security: 0.3.2-1+squeeze1; squeeze: 0.3.2-1+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 0.3.8-1+deb7u1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 0.3.8-1+deb7u1; wheezy-backports: 0.4.3-2~bpo70+1; wheezy-backports: 1.0.1-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.0.1-1; sid: 1.1.1-1
20:41.15polyphagiaZIPY: i'd recommend using mpv and youtube-dl instead then
20:41.23dondelelcarodpkg: status
20:41.36greycathe's logged out entirely
20:41.36nkuttlerrg_metal: fwiw, wheezy is pretty old by now, and jessie has been frozen for a while
20:41.49dondelelcarohrm; must have hit its cable
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20:41.52ZIPYpolyphagia: hmm but it's not only youtube, every site that uses a flash player
20:42.03nkuttlerrg_metal: but there is a backport available
20:42.04rg_metaljhutchins, see I'm using debian from digital ocean.. in the sources.list its using digital ocean's debian repo stuff.. can I change that without breaking something?
20:42.06polyphagiawell youtube-dl has a really long list of sites supported
20:42.07jhutchinsrg_metal: I'm not sure of the URL, I believe there's info on the wiki and definitely in the install guide.
20:42.40polyphagiaZIPY: https://rg3.github.io/youtube-dl/supportedsites.html
20:42.47jhutchinsrg_metal: Yes, but you can also break things by changing it.  They have some site-specific builds.
20:42.56rg_metalah ok
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20:43.23jhutchinsrg_metal: The real answer is you'd have to ask them.
20:43.29nkuttlerjhutchins: they do? do you have some examples?
20:43.35rg_metalI would have used arch linux on digital ocean.. but they don't support it right now
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20:44.18jhutchinsrg_metal: There are good reasons for that.  It's not really a server platform.
20:44.52jhutchinsrg_metal: I don't have examples, I just know people have come on here after switching repos and updating and they can't access their system.
20:44.53rg_metalyeah I know
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20:45.18nkuttlerjhutchins: interesting. i have a few do boxes with official sources. never had a problem
20:45.38jhutchinsrg_metal: So the real answer is to track down how to do the specific task (not the process) you need, and figure out how to do it on Digital Ocean.
20:45.40rg_metalI mean.. I bet I could manage with arch.. but most people have trouble.. *shrugs*.. but I'll go with debian as its pretty good too
20:46.02rg_metalon DO
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20:49.28rg_metalI am just confused as to what to do with Digital Ocean specifically.. I guess I'll just have to contact them to get the jist. I mean if I had debian on a physical computer I could easily get it straight but with DO I don't want to break anything
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20:52.56kokotakushow do i install debian from debian installer without network access if I have the iso
20:53.26acz32if you boot the iso it's really straightforward
20:53.33kokotakusi cant boot the iso
20:53.38kokotakusits not a pc
20:53.41kokotakusits nas
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20:55.50acz32i'm not familiar with installing on a nas system
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20:57.43nkuttlerkokotakus: what's the problem?
20:57.51nkuttleroh, you can't boot the iso...
20:58.06nkuttlerno iso, no network, usb?
20:58.13kokotakusnkuttler: I can install the debian only with debian installer, no network access
20:58.24kokotakusnkuttler: actually i have iso
20:58.39kokotakusthe question is how do i make debian installer use it
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20:58.47nkuttleroh, that
20:58.47kokotakusinstead of connecting to network and downloading it
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20:58.57nkuttlerkokotakus: see man sources.list, the cd rom section
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20:59.22greycatI'm missing the first part -- how do you make Debian Installer run?
20:59.28nkuttlerkokotakus: but just finish the install first, and bother with packages later
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20:59.58kokotakusgreycat: I flashed the firmware of my qnap so it runs debian installer
21:01.07greycatSo it's blowing up when it tries to scan the CD for drivers or something?
21:02.02kokotakusgreycat: there is no such option, only network download
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21:02.16kokotakusnkuttler: thanks googling that
21:02.21greycatI'm not talking about options.  I'm asking where you actually encounter an error.
21:02.53kokotakusgreycat: i dont encounter any error, the problem is I dont know how to run the iso from debian installer so it start the installation
21:03.22greycat... confused!  You said you had built a custom firmware that included the Debian Installer software, and therefore had got it running.
21:03.44kokotakusgreycat: yes debian installer is running, and now i want to install debian with it
21:04.15greycatSo, it runs.  Which means it prompts you for language and keyboard, and then ... what?
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21:05.09greycatOr am I missing a step before the keyboard/language prompts?  You might find more knowledgeable people in the D-I channel.
21:05.11kokotakusgreycat: no, it has 3 options, two of them are network related, it wants me to download debian from the internet, but i do not have network access, third option is to use shell
21:05.24greycatI don't even know what option menu you're talking about.
21:05.41kokotakusgreycat: the only menu in debian installer
21:05.50greycatAnyway, the channel where these D-I gurus hang out is #debian-boot on OFTC (not even this network).
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21:06.43kokotakusgreycat: do you know whats that channel name?
21:06.49greycatAnyway, the channel where these D-I gurus hang out is #debian-boot on OFTC (not even this network).
21:06.54kokotakusoh i see
21:06.57kokotakusthx
21:07.27nkuttlerkokotakus: which installer image did you get?
21:07.46kokotakusnkuttler: debian-7.8.0-armel-netinst.iso
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21:08.38nkuttlerkokotakus: just skip the package install step.
21:08.39teraflop^
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21:21.14kokotakusnkuttler: there is no package install step
21:21.32kokotakusso you better understand what I am experiencing I made a screenshot
21:21.34kokotakushttp://www.evernote.com/shard/s186/sh/34910639-6e57-4f7f-8098-efc35e3346fb/6c2c7a74d86ffece55c5ca14bae86cdf
21:22.25kokotakusi guess i will need to use shell and run the iso somehow
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21:23.00greycatOh, so you are already past the language/keyboard setup, and it's blowing up when it tries to scan the CD for driver packages to use to detect network devices & crap.  As I kinda suspected might be the case.
21:23.30dondelelcarokokotakus: is this just the minimal iso? if so, that won't work unless you also have network.
21:23.31greycat(Or it simply realizes that there is no CD so it can't load any drivers and will just try to use what's already built into the kernel?  Something like that.)
21:23.41kokotakusgreycat: yes, but there was not keyboard/language setup before, but that doesnt matter
21:23.48nkuttlerdondelelcaro: he said debian-7.8.0-armel-netinst.iso
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21:24.02dondelelcaroah, ok.
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21:24.15nkuttlerso. bizarre. not how i remember it
21:24.21kokotakusbut this is not debian-7.8.0-armel-netinst.iso
21:24.24kokotakusI want to install debian-7.8.0-armel-netinst.iso
21:24.27greycatMaybe armel is different from amd64/i386
21:24.29kokotakusbut this screen is something esle
21:24.29dondelelcarokokotakus: so what is this?
21:24.33nkuttlerkokotakus: which image did you flash
21:25.18kokotakusthis is it
21:25.19kokotakushttp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/installer-armel/current/images/kirkwood/network-console/qnap/ts-41x/
21:27.11dondelelcarokokotakus: oh. that's just enough to get the system booted. It doesn't contain any of the CDs or installer components
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21:28.28kokotakusyes but I have locally access to that iso install debian-7.8.0-armel-netinst.iso
21:28.41kokotakusso it only runs with net?
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21:30.39dondelelcaroI'm not sure if that particular image has the code to actually mount an iso even if it is local
21:30.52dondelelcaroit probably was set up specifically do do network installs
21:30.54kokotakusthere is umount command available
21:31.06kokotakusif i mount it is it possible to install?
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21:31.15greycatthat doesn't mean there is necessarily a driver for the iso9660 file system, or loopback devices, etc.
21:31.16dondelelcaroyeah, but it needs the installer code to recognize the installer components, etc.
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21:31.46dondelelcaroyou might try just skipping to that step, and seeing what it does... but the easiest method is to get yourself network
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21:32.46kokotakusthank you
21:32.58kokotakusall
21:33.14kokotakusI will try to get it on the network somehow
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21:33.51dondelelcarokokotakus: someone else here might know better; you might also try asking on #debian-boot on irc.debian.org, or on debian-arm@lists.debian.org (IIRC)
21:33.59dondelelcarosomeone there might be able to tell you precisely what to do
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21:38.53tilt_oops wrong channel
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22:01.48Drugo!jessie
22:01.48dpkgThe release following Debian 7 "Wheezy" is codenamed "Jessie" (the cowgirl in Toy Story 2) and will be Debian 8.  It is the current <testing> distribution.  Use the #debian-next channel on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net) for support.  http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2012/07/msg00004.html .  See also <jessie alpha>, <jessie freeze>, <jessie kernel>.
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22:13.42khaije1how is the service name for an authentication request to PAM set?
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22:18.11khaije1nvm... "The PAM-aware program is responsible for defining its service name ..." https://www.centos.org/docs/5/html/Deployment_Guide-en-US/ch-pam.html
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22:20.12OozeIT DID IT AGAIN
22:20.14OozeWHY
22:20.19OozeI DON'T UNDERSTAND
22:20.24khaije1can that be right, so then a malicious app can claim to desire auth on behalf of a different service?
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22:25.38OozeAlright well this time it lasted about 5 hours.
22:25.48OozeHere's the syslog from a couple lines before it rebooted
22:25.49Oozehttp://paste.incorrigible.me/fiyupekuru.hs
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22:28.12abrotmanOoze: You're sure it's not a temperature thing?
22:28.43Oozemmmm I don't think so? Is there a way to tell aside from just feeling for it?
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22:29.02OozeIt doesn't feeeeel hotter than before
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22:30.03OozeCan I get temps through linux?
22:30.21muzgashHello, I want to implement a bug tracking system for a software, and I love the one that debian has. Where can I download it?
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22:33.02abrotmanmuzgash: at the bottom of bugs.debian.org, there's an email address, probably a good start if you can't find a git/svn repo to get it from
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22:47.41Iridosmuzgash, never installed it myself...but looks to me it's that one: https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=debbugs
22:49.40Iridosnow... did I write this 246 seconds before he left or didn't I
22:49.46Iridos*sigh*
22:51.15Iridosabrotman, the bug page doesn't mention it... but it seemed logical to put something that was ~software into the repo... :)
22:51.31abrotmanah, good ..
22:51.38abrotmanno idea why they didn't put it on that page
22:52.08Iridosadverse to advertising?
22:52.09Iridos^^
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22:53.39Iridosnow... the possibility of filing a bug against the bug tracking system saying that it doesn't mention itself...
22:53.42Iridosurgh. time for bed
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22:54.18khaije1Ooze: if you ... apt-cache search temperature ... you'll see plenty of tools to allow you to do this
22:54.48OozeYeah I just tried installing lm-sensors but it said it couldn't find any on my machine
22:54.57OozeSooo
22:55.02khaije1oh thats what I was going to suggest
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22:55.32khaije1did you run sensors as root?
22:55.38OozeAye
22:55.59khaije1dont know what to tell you then
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22:57.04IridosOoze, that paste doesn't contain anything I would see as a clue... if you have another machine on the same subnet, you could try setting up netconsole ...
22:57.37Iridoswith any luck, there are some messages that get lost because of the reboot
22:57.38khaije1if I was in your circumstance and had the time I'd troll around in the kernel interfaces looking for something indicative
22:58.01OozeOh geez I don't know what I'm doing there
22:58.02Iridosthere's a netconsole factoid if you want to try /msg dpkg netconsole
22:58.29OozeYeah I think I'll do that
22:58.55Iridosnot sure how well it does with a reboot... but it worked for me at least once when the kernel hung
22:59.09Iridosand it's - in theory - easy to set up
22:59.14OozeOh hey
22:59.17OozeThis was in my mail
22:59.17Oozehttp://paste.incorrigible.me/ezuwojimor.hs
22:59.30Iridos^^
22:59.45OozeMight that be it?
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23:01.43Iridoswhy should logrotate crash it?
23:02.03Iridosbut that at least is easy enough to test... run it
23:02.04OozeYeah I don't know...
23:02.25Oozerun what?
23:02.30Iridoslogrotate :)
23:02.45OozeI'm got logresolve, do you run it some other way?
23:03.35Iridosthe mail you got said /etc/cron.daily/logrotate ran it... and /etc/cron.daily/logrotate says it runs /usr/sbin/logrotate /etc/logrotate.conf
23:03.51Iridosanyway, gn
23:04.32Iridosbut I think it was coincidence that it run
23:04.49OozeYeah I'm thinking this can't be what's shutting it down
23:05.00OozeI've got logs from the last time it did it though
23:05.06OozeBut I haven't gotten mail every time
23:05.08OozeSo not sure
23:05.11OozeThanks anyway
23:05.30Iridosyou got mail because the cron-job allegedly had output
23:06.21OozeI don't think it would be overheating, but I'll go see if I can point a fan on it too
23:07.27baumuhm how was this again, there are two kinds of Radeon drivers right?
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23:08.13baumwhich one was the (more) stable one again?
23:10.24abrotmanOoze: how old is this system?
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23:14.09OozeHP DL380 Gen 3
23:14.13FLHernebaum: radeon(si) is more stable, but slower for 3D stuff
23:14.14OozeIt's got USB 1.1 lol
23:14.24OozePre 2004 I think?
23:14.47FLHernebaum: fglrx is a bit faster for 3D stuff, much slower for 2D stuff, buggier, and only works for HD5xxx and later
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23:15.55baumFLHerne: thanks for the info, and which is the open source one again?
23:16.52FLHernebaum: radeon(si)
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23:17.06OozeI opened the front of the case
23:17.10Oozesee if airflow was the problem
23:17.12OozeI doubt it though
23:17.13FLHerneradeon for HD6xxx and previous, radeonsi for HD7xxx and later
23:17.33FLHerneradeon gets called r600g sometimes
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23:17.52baumalright, thanks :)
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23:18.56FLHernebaum: If you have wheezy, radeonsi is kind of painful, in that case you should probably use fglrx or find newer radeonsi pkgs from somewhere
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23:20.05khaije1I'm looking for advice on how best to enable AD auth in Debian. I know there are guides out there but are there any that someone could recommend from experience?
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23:20.23baumFLHerne: alright, good to know thanks :)
23:20.30khaije1for now these machines are only accessed via SSH
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23:21.56kalin00bso I have 2 harddrives in my computer, it originally came as RAID 0, I no longer want to use the second harddrive for a separate distro I never use
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23:22.18kalin00bMy RAID is configured one step before the bios on my system
23:22.36kalin00bCan I put it back in RAID 0 and how do I do it without ruining things :)
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23:29.03kalin00bfrom what i gather i had to do it on install but figured id ask
23:29.08somiajkalin00b: as far as I know (I dno't use raids that much). If you want to build a new raid array, you'll end up having to backup then restore the data.
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23:33.13tethrahmm, to what extent are modern laptops CPU bound, rather than IO or memory bound?
23:33.40somiajtethra: a lot depends on usage.
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23:33.52tethrayeah
23:34.17tethragnome3, jitsi and eclipse are probably the beastliest pieces of software i use
23:34.19tethraplus openvpn
23:34.22somiajtethra: but as a basic laptop that browses the web and runs a graphical envoriment I would say they many don't push any modern laptop.
23:34.49somiajThough webbrowers can overpower it if someone likes to keep tons of tabs open and doesn't reset them regurally.
23:35.13tethrawell, what i'm looking at in particular is a laptop with dual core 1ghz processor and up to 16GB of RAM
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23:35.45tethrait's some weird AMD model i've not seen before
23:35.48somiajtethra: afiak gnome3 biggest issue is graphic card. If that is sufficent enough I don't think it puts to much load elsewhere considering most laptop are 1.5ghz, at least 2 core and 4 gigis of ram (for value line).
23:35.55tethra(of processor)
23:36.01somiajtethra: what processor?
23:36.27somiajtethra: I think you'll be just fine.
23:36.45tethrai reckon so too, just.. can't believe my luck :D
23:36.51tethrasec, firefox is being crappy
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23:37.47tethraamd kabini E1-2100
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23:38.16tethrait's for a netbook form factor laptop, so it doesn't need to be powerful
23:38.33tethraand it apparently has onboard graphics
23:38.56tethracache and clock speeds both look totally pathetic
23:38.58somiajyea, it is an athlon quad core with a integrated gpu (similar to say sandy bridge -- or what ever the new version is now for intel)
23:39.02tethrahence the question :/
23:39.07tethraquad?
23:39.24tethrai found a list saying dual
23:39.26somiajoh sorry, I'm looking at a different version. nevermind
23:39.26somiajyea
23:39.32tethraright, yeah
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23:39.35somiajI'm lokoing at the 5350...
23:40.04tethrai mean, i reckon that'd be alright really but i'm just having trouble believing it, since the price of the laptop is extremely low
23:40.33tethraand i've been stung once this week by some lenovo POS i've had to return :/
23:41.02somiajI think you'll be just fine, but I'd say just run some minimial window manager over gnome. But a lot will depend on usage.
23:41.32tethrahmm, yeah. thing is, i want to run the all singing all dancing stuff - i've been using xfce for years and i want a change :/
23:41.51somiajI think multitasking may be the biggest issue, but so far most the common apps should run fine once loaded.
23:42.00tethrahmm, yeah.
23:42.18tethratrying to think what i actually do, heh.
23:43.14tethrai think i'll just buy the damn thing and find out whether it sucks post-facto :D
23:43.40tethraif it's of interest, this is what i'm looking at: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/notebooks/mirageII/
23:44.49tethrait's just a weird clock speed for a modern netbook
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