| 00:00.02 | somiaj | Devastator: you may not be able to boot properly, make sure youa ctually fix your grub after it is done |
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| 00:03.48 | Devastator | somiaj do you know any other way of forcing a process to be killed? |
| 00:03.57 | Devastator | kill -9 isn't helping |
| 00:06.44 | somiaj | Devastator: if kill -9 isn't kiling it, it must be defunct, not sure what to do then |
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| 00:20.29 | GPenguin | then apt-cache show |
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| 00:49.48 | stormchaser3000 | ? |
| 00:50.04 | stormchaser3000 | (using an ssh client to connect to an ubuntu server) |
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| 00:52.13 | grim21 | So really confusing situation, I have a ethernet controller that refuses to work once Debian Jessie finishes installing. netinstall works fine, but as soon as I boot into a desktop, I cannot for the life of me get my ethernet card to work. Any ideas? |
| 00:53.59 | dvs | grim21: What does "ip link" say? |
| 00:57.48 | FLHerne | stormchaser3000: chown |
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| 00:58.06 | stormchaser3000 | FLHerne: thanks |
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| 00:58.48 | Bielecki | stormchaser3000: tried $ chown ? |
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| 00:59.43 | grim21 | It says: eth0: <BORADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast stat UP mode DEFAULT group default qlen 1000 |
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| 00:59.44 | dvs | Bielecki: like FLHerne said? |
| 00:59.56 | grim21 | there may be a couple of typos, hand-jamming it from another computer |
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| 01:02.24 | dvs | grim21: What's in the /etc/network/interfaces file? |
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| 01:03.00 | grim21 | going to exclude the commented lines.. |
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| 01:03.10 | grim21 | source /etc/network/interfaces.d/* |
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| 01:03.50 | grim21 | auto lo <newline> iface lo inet loopback <newline> allow-hotplug eth0 <newline> iface eth0 inet dhcp <newline> iface eth0 inet6 auto |
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| 01:06.07 | dvs | grim21: Can you ping 8.8.8.8? |
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| 01:06.31 | grim21 | negatory.. "connect: Nework is unreachable" |
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| 01:07.02 | grim21 | I'm just confused about how it worked during netinstall but doesn't work after install completes. Does the installer bundle non-free firmware, or how else could that happen? |
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| 01:07.34 | grim21 | i'm about to try installing with the non-free firmware image and see if it works itself out. but i'd like to pinpoint the issues before I go and reinstall |
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| 01:07.42 | dvs | grim21: Probably a configuration issue somewhere. |
| 01:08.00 | grim21 | alrighty, thanks very much. off I go.. |
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| 01:13.49 | persistance | i use wheezy and unetbbotin does not detect my sd card. can anyone help?7 |
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| 01:14.50 | dvs | !unetbootin |
| 01:14.51 | dpkg | UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ Not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>. |
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| 01:16.06 | persistance | ok so how can i create a bootable usb drive with persistance without unetbootin? |
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| 01:18.15 | FlyingSquirl456 | hi back again if anyone is on here from earlier |
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| 01:19.28 | dvs | !win32diskimager |
| 01:19.28 | dpkg | win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ . Adjust the file mask from *.img to *.* if it doesn't show our .iso images. See <usb install> and <install debian> for further details. |
| 01:19.46 | FlyingSquirl456 | Can someone help me with a driver issue? I installed the nvidia driver but the native resolution on videos are at 360 and my cpu ussage is really high |
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| 01:21.17 | somiaj | FlyingSquirl456: how did you install the driver? |
| 01:21.18 | persistance | win32diskimager??? i only use GNU/Linux! |
| 01:21.23 | FlyingSquirl456 | FYi i am using a NVIDIA GeForce GT 620 and have the 304.125 driver and have |
| 01:22.00 | somiaj | persistance: then read the install manual and just cp the image onto the drive device (i.e. cp debian.iso /dev/sdb if the drive is /dev/sdb) |
| 01:22.03 | FlyingSquirl456 | persistance: you could use usb image writer but it uses a lot of cpu |
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| 01:23.17 | somiaj | persistance: debian iso's are made bootable, you just need to copy the iso onto the disk as an image, so this can be done with many tools, cp, dd, cat, etc |
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| 01:23.42 | persistance | somiaj, whenever i insert the sd card is (for reasons that are beyond me) mounted read only |
| 01:23.44 | dvs | edlin? |
| 01:23.49 | FlyingSquirl456 | hey can someone please help me with my driver |
| 01:24.14 | somiaj | persistance: does the sd card have a hardware switch on it, sometimes they have one so you can make them readonly |
| 01:24.15 | persistance | /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /media/44A9-B326 type vfat (ro,nosuid,nodev,relatime,uid=1000,gid=1000,fmask=0022,dmask=0077,codepage=437,iocharset=utf8,shortname=mixed,showexec,utf8,flush,errors=remount-ro,uhelper=udisks) |
| 01:24.40 | FlyingSquirl456 | if a few people are only able to help one person at a time i will wait in a virtual line |
| 01:24.46 | somiaj | persistance: you don't want to mount the device, you'll want to make sure it is unmounted when you copy the image onto the disk. |
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| 01:25.00 | somiaj | FlyingSquirl456: I am waiting for the answer to my question. How did you install the nvidia driver. |
| 01:25.17 | FlyingSquirl456 | sorry did not see the first question |
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| 01:26.03 | somiaj | persistance: http://www.wikihow.com/Remove-Write-Protection-on-an-SD-Card -- some sd cards have this feature, some do not as far as I know. |
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| 01:26.23 | FlyingSquirl456 | followed https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers for version Version 304.125 |
| 01:26.53 | somiaj | persistance: overall that page won't be that helpful, just poiting out there could be a hardware readonly switch. |
| 01:27.07 | somiaj | FlyingSquirl456: so you installed it using the debian packages from non-free, good. |
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| 01:28.00 | FlyingSquirl456 | yes it installed without having to do backports, I am curious why it is only viewing videos in 360p |
| 01:29.00 | somiaj | FlyingSquirl456: I guess I don't follow, when video goes into full screen it drops your resolution to 360p or is your resolution just set low? |
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| 01:30.37 | FlyingSquirl456 | somiaj: i will try to be more descriptive. When I tested out the video resolution that would be native youtube resolution before enabling full screen. it is only 360 |
| 01:31.02 | persistance | somiaj, i am running wheezy on my laptop and i want to be able to create a bootable sd card for any distro i may want to. i have formatted the card as fat32 and lock switch method made no differnce. the sd card is always mounted read only |
| 01:31.12 | somiaj | FlyingSquirl456: the resolution you get by default for youtube is either a setting in the player or due to bandwidth, it isnt' effected by your video card. |
| 01:31.33 | somiaj | FlyingSquirl456: can't you just tell youtube to give you a better quality one (I don't know if it scales based on bandwidth or not) |
| 01:31.34 | FlyingSquirl456 | thank you |
| 01:32.06 | somiaj | persistance: then I'm unsure, I don't use automounters. Could be your automounter mounts it readonly because it did it once and has it in memeory to mount read only. |
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| 01:32.22 | FlyingSquirl456 | oh that is the other thing I was wanting to know about my cpu jumps up like the free drivers are still installed |
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| 01:32.58 | somiaj | FlyingSquirl456: did you modify you (or make) an simple xorg.0.conf file to tell your system to actually use the nvidia drivers. |
| 01:33.15 | FlyingSquirl456 | yea |
| 01:33.21 | somiaj | FlyingSquirl456: you can look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log or the output of things like 'xvinfo, 'glxinfo' to determine which drivers you are currently using. |
| 01:33.45 | FlyingSquirl456 | the xorg.conf file hast this inside Section "Device" |
| 01:33.45 | FlyingSquirl456 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:33.45 | FlyingSquirl456 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:33.45 | FlyingSquirl456 | EndSection |
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| 01:34.10 | somiaj | persistance: But for debian .iso when you copy it to the sd card, you don't copy it to the filesystem, so you want to unmount the file system then copy it to the device. |
| 01:34.42 | somiaj | persistance: if the device has a readonly swtich set, you can check the output of dmesg to see info about this. Sometimes it will say 'device is read only' |
| 01:35.00 | somiaj | in this case it isn't the mounting that is the problem, the device is being set up readonly by the kernel -- which in my experience is that hardware switch. |
| 01:35.54 | persistance | somiaj, i run wheezy on my laptop but i do not want to create a bootable debian sd card |
| 01:37.49 | somiaj | persistance: To create a bootable device for another distro is not supported her. Even custom distros. But there are general ways to make a bootable device, this depends on what you want to do. One is just install grub in the mbr of the sd card. |
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| 01:40.40 | FlyingSquirl456 | why was I banned |
| 01:40.58 | somiaj | FlyingSquirl456: you wern't banned, you were auto kicked for pasting to the chat room and not using paste.debian.net |
| 01:41.02 | dvs | FlyingSquirl456: You weren't banned. YOu tried to flood the channel |
| 01:41.05 | somiaj | FlyingSquirl456: look at the output of glxinfo |
| 01:41.22 | somiaj | i.e. if you paste more than a few lines a bot here will kick you to keep flooding down. |
| 01:41.26 | somiaj | (few = 2) |
| 01:41.34 | FlyingSquirl456 | I was worried that was the rule, It has been a while since I have used irc |
| 01:42.12 | FlyingSquirl456 | do you want me to put that in a terminal or search for it in my file |
| 01:44.21 | somiaj | FlyingSquirl456: just type 'glxinfo' and look at the output, if you are using the nvidia drivers you should see reference to that. |
| 01:44.30 | somiaj | FlyingSquirl456: no need to paste it here, just look for yourself |
| 01:46.36 | FlyingSquirl456 | somiaj: I entered it in the terminal and I got a long string of numbers so I am clueless on what you are trying to convey |
| 01:47.19 | Devastator | what I would say is this: jessie may not be ready if you want to run it on a virtualbox VM |
| 01:47.39 | Devastator | lots and lots and lots of call traces :( |
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| 01:48.08 | ctmjr | FlyingSquirl456: what your looking for can be found with "glxinfo | grep render" |
| 01:48.13 | somiaj | FlyingSquirl456: near the top shoudl be info about the actual driver that is being used, scroll up |
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| 01:50.30 | FlyingSquirl456 | okay that worked but to be honest I have no idea what I am looking for |
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| 01:52.03 | Bielecki | You can put output in file with "glxinfo > file" and paste it to paste.debian.net |
| 01:52.04 | somiaj | FlyingSquirl456: glxinfo | less -- look for a top line like server glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation -- that tells me i'm using the offical nvidia drivers, then it says other things like version, and differnt info and abilities of your ard |
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| 01:52.36 | weykent | are there any documents on how to run your own secure apt repo? specifically wondering about how to support things like having multiple people able to publish packages without having to give everyone access to the same privkey |
| 01:53.45 | FlyingSquirl456 | i typed glxinfo | less and nothing happened |
| 01:54.12 | somiaj | maybe you don't have less installed. :/ |
| 01:54.18 | somiaj | weykent: something like https://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt#Setting_up_a_secure_apt_repository |
| 01:54.32 | somiaj | weykent: though not really a howto, i was hoping it had more info |
| 01:54.37 | FlyingSquirl456 | OpenGL renderer string: GeForce GT 620/PCIe/SSE2 |
| 01:54.40 | weykent | somiaj, oh, i was looking at that, but i didn't see the `man apt-secure` part. i'll look at that now |
| 01:55.57 | weykent | somiaj, there was a link to https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch7 which i'm reading now |
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| 01:56.10 | somiaj | weykent: https://www.debian-administration.org/article/513/Restrict_Access_To_Your_Private_Debian_Repository might also be useful |
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| 01:57.23 | weykent | somiaj, okay, thanks. reading this now too |
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| 01:58.47 | FlyingSquirl456 | somiaj: OpenGL renderer string: GeForce GT 620/PCIe/SSE2 is that what you were talking about? |
| 01:59.20 | somiaj | FlyingSquirl456: no I was looking for a line like server glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation -- so 'glxinfo | grep vendor' |
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| 01:59.54 | teoma | With my laptop connected to an HDTV, xrandr lists 1920x1080 as an option but uses 1366x768 by default, and changing it to 1920x1080 makes the picture unclear -- any idea what's going on? |
| 02:00.01 | FlyingSquirl456 | nothing came up with glxinfo | less but I will thy that |
| 02:00.04 | somiaj | FlyingSquirl456: it to me is just a quick way to check you are using an offical debian driver over another one. But I think you are using the offical one. I'm not sure what could be eating up your cpu, maybe you need to use top to invesigate that. Sometimes flash just eats up your cpu and it dosen't have to do with your video card. |
| 02:00.20 | somiaj | FlyingSquirl456: you might not have the program 'less' installed. |
| 02:00.22 | weykent | well, so, how does the debian team do this? i'm not entirely clear on that. i.e. do multiple people have access to the 'debian archive automatic signing key' or whatever? |
| 02:00.53 | JinjaNinja | I'm in desperate need of an expert's help with GRUB bootloader/ dual booting kali linux with Windows 8. I'm having trouble and I need help troubleshooting it. |
| 02:01.24 | somiaj | weykent: Unsure what sort of access debian matainers have. Only certain ones have access to upload packages. But it could be the signinig happens after the package is uploaded by someone with permissions. |
| 02:01.48 | somiaj | weykent: maybe asking in #debian-mentors would get you a more detailed answer how they deal with it (this is on a differnt irc network, irc.oftc.net) |
| 02:01.55 | weykent | oh, okay |
| 02:01.59 | somiaj | !kali |
| 02:02.00 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>. |
| 02:02.15 | somiaj | JinjaNinja: we do not support kali linux here, use their support (there is an channel listed above). |
| 02:02.20 | weykent | is #debian-mentors the best place to talk to people who actually do package signing and that sort of maintenance? |
| 02:02.38 | JinjaNinja | Okay, thank you |
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| 02:03.32 | somiaj | weykent: #debian-mentors is a place to go if you are in need of a debian mentor (which what they do is help people making packages). The process is after you have a package made you find a sponsor to upload it (provided it is open to be matained). There may be some mentors there that have sponsor access and would be able to describe how debian deals with multiple sponsors uploading packages. |
| 02:03.45 | weykent | okay, cool |
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| 02:06.08 | somiaj | weykent: yea I do know that not all debian matainers have access to upload their package directally, but many do and I'm unsure the details of how it is setup. |
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| 02:06.28 | Devastator | does the security entry in sources.list also have contrib and non-free or just main? is it the same for jessie/updates? |
| 02:07.51 | somiaj | Devastator: you want it to have the same, since if a non-free package gets a security fix (may happen -- but not that often) you will only get it if you have access to it via security. |
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| 02:08.07 | somiaj | Devastator: realize that right now security repos for jessie are just placekeepers, and will be until after the release. |
| 02:08.18 | Devastator | ok, so contrib and non-free on all three right? |
| 02:08.33 | somiaj | Devastator: provided you want to use all three, yes. |
| 02:08.40 | Devastator | thanks :) |
| 02:09.24 | Devastator | somiaj can/should I enable backports now or there is no jessie-backports yet? |
| 02:10.02 | somiaj | Devastator: again it will only be a placekeeper. And it will be a little bit after the release that they start to get built for jessie. |
| 02:10.14 | somiaj | Devastator: right now it is optional, and you can add them later when you need them. |
| 02:10.42 | Devastator | thanks again :P |
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| 02:12.13 | Devastator | VM seems more stable now that I've booted kernel 3.16 |
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| 02:12.53 | FlyingSquirl456 | server glx version string: 1.4 |
| 02:13.01 | somiaj | Devastator: good, yea sometimes there is a little finess that needs to be done durning an dist-upgrade. I rember the one that required you first install udev was a bit of extra work. |
| 02:13.11 | somiaj | FlyingSquirl456: look for the vendor string |
| 02:13.24 | Devastator | somiaj oh, that one was painful indeed |
| 02:13.25 | somiaj | FlyingSquirl456: read what you see, (: |
| 02:13.46 | FlyingSquirl456 | OpenGL version string: 4.2.0 NVIDIA 304.125 |
| 02:15.53 | somiaj | FlyingSquirl456: what I thought, but that verifies you are using the offical nvidia drivers. (: |
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| 02:42.26 | FlyingSquirl456 | thank you somiaj |
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| 03:07.48 | miklcct | I want to install a piece of server software on my Debian stable server, but it is unavailable on stable. |
| 03:08.12 | miklcct | When I try to compile it from source using apt-get source, it needs about 30-40 dependencies not in stable. |
| 03:08.36 | miklcct | So what's better idea among the following: |
| 03:08.45 | miklcct | 1. Use apt-pinning to mix distributions |
| 03:08.51 | miklcct | 2. Upgrade the whole server to testing |
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| 03:09.31 | chewtabbaca | I would try a slax livecd with developer tools added on |
| 03:09.49 | chewtabbaca | unless you need regular rebuilds |
| 03:10.43 | miklcct | What's that? |
| 03:11.04 | chewtabbaca | it's a livecd that you can customize the hell out of |
| 03:11.27 | chewtabbaca | you customize it via the web interface then download the generated iso |
| 03:11.30 | miklcct | but I am running a server and want to install server software, how does that work? |
| 03:11.48 | chewtabbaca | you can use the build environment |
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| 03:12.20 | miklcct | then how can I install that piece of server software back on my server? |
| 03:12.26 | somiaj | miklcct: what is the software? |
| 03:12.33 | miklcct | can it generate a bunch of debs? |
| 03:12.36 | miklcct | For example tilemill |
| 03:12.49 | chewtabbaca | you should build it on the hard disk of the server, then reboot and make install is what I'd try |
| 03:13.09 | somiaj | chewtabbaca: this is a channel for debian support, no need to suggest alternatives to using debian here. |
| 03:13.40 | somiaj | miklcct: you don't want to mix distributions. What is the software, if it is available in testing but you think is going to be to much work to backport. You could say run it in a chroot or vm of testing. |
| 03:13.46 | r0ach | are you saying the playstation 4 OS is not a suitable rival to debian |
| 03:13.48 | somiaj | miklcct: sorry I mean debian versions. |
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| 03:14.26 | chewtabbaca | I'm aware of what the channel is, he was asking for a solution, so I came up with one that would avoid wrecking his current system. |
| 03:14.58 | miklcct | That means to install a chroot of testing and install the server software inside, but I have another questions. |
| 03:15.26 | miklcct | 1. How can I keep the testing chroot updated automtically? |
| 03:15.51 | miklcct | 2. Is it possible to use normal initscripts to control the server inside that chroot? |
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| 03:18.01 | somiaj | miklcct: yes you can use software like schroot to run commands inside a chroot. |
| 03:18.26 | somiaj | miklcct: note, chroots are easy to break out of, so if the server you are running in there is insecure, your whole server could be compermised. |
| 03:18.36 | somiaj | (well easy if you can get root access inside of it) |
| 03:18.45 | somiaj | miklcct: running a vm is another option. |
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| 03:19.40 | miklcct | running a vm is easier to configure I think, but it is more resource consuming as I don't know how much RAM the piece of server software uses |
| 03:20.28 | miklcct | I'm afraid that I allocate too few to it and the server stops functioning |
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| 03:20.55 | somiaj | miklcct: well give it a large swap, it will just run slowly. (: |
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| 03:24.12 | xchan | which desktop environment is most popular for debian users? |
| 03:24.35 | hiexpo | what do you like xchan |
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| 03:25.00 | xchan | hiexpo I like XFCE but have never used Gnome or KDE |
| 03:25.35 | hiexpo | well stay with what you like xchan i like mate myself |
| 03:26.09 | hiexpo | doesnt matter whateer eeryone else likes just you |
| 03:26.13 | xchan | hiexpo so would I be downloading my iso from this directory? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/bt-hybrid/ |
| 03:26.40 | somiaj | xchan: debian gives you lots of options. Look up the results of popcon if you are intersted in data on what is being used. |
| 03:27.07 | somiaj | xchan: http://popcon.debian.org/ |
| 03:27.13 | xchan | what would be the easiest method of installation for someone that came from writing an installable USB for ubuntu? |
| 03:27.17 | hiexpo | sure xchan that is a torrent though |
| 03:27.39 | somiaj | xchan: which installable usb did you write? |
| 03:28.01 | xchan | I haven't downloaded any ISOs yet. i'm going to download the XFCE one |
| 03:28.09 | somiaj | xchan: you can also jsut get the netinstall |
| 03:28.31 | somiaj | xchan: but if you use the netinstall (over the xfce one) you will have to make sure you look though the boot options and select the desktop you want before you boot |
| 03:28.36 | somiaj | other wise it will default to installing gnome |
| 03:28.55 | xchan | i'm just going to go ahead and do the 1 GB XFCE iso download |
| 03:29.00 | xchan | because that's what i'm used to |
| 03:29.10 | swordsmanz | xchan use the netinstall and then apt-get down everything you need |
| 03:29.23 | swordsmanz | that way you can choose your wm DE and DM |
| 03:29.46 | swordsmanz | as well as all the tools you like for manageing well whatever you need |
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| 03:30.33 | xchan | how exactly do version updates in debian work? like when debian v8 comes out, what happens? |
| 03:30.35 | hiexpo | xchan, everyones needs are dif xchan |
| 03:30.36 | somiaj | netinstall is nice, but so is having all the stuff on a usb. I'd say use the one you like. just ralize the netinstall will default to gnome unless you go though the boot options and select a different de |
| 03:31.10 | somiaj | xchan: when jessie is released it will become the new stable. At that moment the current stable (wheezy) will become oldstable and will have support for a full year. |
| 03:31.17 | swordsmanz | somiaj no you can chose to install without a desktop enviroment with netinst |
| 03:31.34 | LMNOP_ | xchan, just get the xfce iso xchan |
| 03:31.35 | somiaj | xchan: during that year people will have to dist-upgrade to jessie (/msg dpkg wheezy->jessie) to keep running a suppoted version of debian. |
| 03:31.45 | hiexpo | swordsmanz, correct :] |
| 03:31.53 | somiaj | swordsmanz: sure, but some may want to just have their gui set up from teh isntall. |
| 03:31.57 | xchan | is dist-upgrade "dangerous"? |
| 03:32.11 | hiexpo | xchan, no |
| 03:32.34 | swordsmanz | xchan not for the system butsome package compatibilitys might change |
| 03:32.42 | xchan | awesome. are there any major things to point out to someone heading over that is used to ubuntu and ubuntu-based OSes? |
| 03:32.58 | xchan | PPAs are a no-no, correct? |
| 03:33.08 | LMNOP_ | ubuntu-based is debian-based |
| 03:33.25 | LMNOP_ | xchan, ^ |
| 03:33.30 | somiaj | xchan: it can be, debian tries to make thigns upgradeable. But depending on ussage, packages, etc, there can be issues. Also sometimes there are known issues. Always best to read the release notes before you prefore the upgrade. Some even suggest doing it in a vm or test first if you have a production system. |
| 03:34.18 | xchan | if I run a program like LibreOffice, will it be versions behind, or is it like arch where I get it as it comes? |
| 03:34.19 | somiaj | xchan: debian has a strong split between free and non-free software that you may not see in ubuntu. many thigns are not as automatic and need more configuraing |
| 03:34.46 | swordsmanz | xchan you can run whatever binary you want |
| 03:34.54 | somiaj | xchan: taking the time to configure it is worth it in the long run. As a result you get more choices and better stability for some stuff. |
| 03:34.58 | swordsmanz | or compile the lastest |
| 03:35.33 | somiaj | xchan: the version with stable will be frozen. You can get newer ersion though backports (if they are provided). Unless you run debian unstable you wont' get regular updates like arch. |
| 03:35.34 | LMNOP_ | xchan, dont worry |
| 03:35.50 | LMNOP_ | xchan, debian will eb familliar |
| 03:35.56 | swordsmanz | ^ |
| 03:36.15 | swordsmanz | debian and ubuntu are basically the same operationaly |
| 03:36.38 | xchan | I'm not super super tech-literate, but i don't have problems running xubuntu/ubuntu, so i won't be lost running Debian? |
| 03:36.54 | LMNOP_ | xchan, no |
| 03:37.08 | LMNOP_ | xchan, really ubuntu is debian under the hood |
| 03:38.09 | xchan | well i'm super excited to try the " |
| 03:38.25 | xchan | "pure debian" that I've never tested out |
| 03:38.27 | swordsmanz | LMNOP_ not exactly |
| 03:38.37 | swordsmanz | there are some userland diferances |
| 03:38.45 | swordsmanz | esp in defualt package selection |
| 03:39.06 | LMNOP_ | swordsmanz, yes the are |
| 03:39.07 | hiexpo | i compile a lot so its not the same |
| 03:40.16 | LMNOP_ | hiexpo, well you are doing unsupported |
| 03:40.25 | hiexpo | i know |
| 03:40.26 | LMNOP_ | hiexpo, software |
| 03:40.30 | hiexpo | yes |
| 03:40.51 | hiexpo | makes one learn |
| 03:41.56 | hiexpo | somethings are not stabble so I have to make them work |
| 03:42.23 | LMNOP_ | hiexpo, yeah I get what you are getting at |
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| 03:43.02 | xchan | thanks for the help all |
| 03:43.36 | hiexpo | no problem xchan |
| 03:43.36 | LMNOP_ | xchan, are you going to do it? |
| 03:44.20 | xchan | i'm currently downloading the xfce iso (slow wifi blech) and i'll throw it on a usb when i can |
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| 03:44.59 | LMNOP_ | xchan, your wifi is faster than your internet probably |
| 03:45.21 | somiaj | depends, my wifi isn't faster than my internet. |
| 03:45.28 | swordsmanz | LMNOP_ depends, lot of wireless routers overheat horrobly |
| 03:45.35 | somiaj | but I usually cap out about 20Mbps on wifi |
| 03:45.42 | LMNOP_ | lol |
| 03:45.44 | xchan | i meant internet -- my desktop doesn't have a wireless card so i use ethernet |
| 03:45.50 | swordsmanz | and basically start packet dropping like crazy swotches |
| 03:45.51 | xchan | but i cap at 3.2 mbps |
| 03:46.17 | LMNOP_ | swordsmanz, well just go buy a different $5 wifi router |
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| 03:46.35 | LMNOP_ | swordsmanz, i never had that problem |
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| 03:47.06 | hiexpo | i have software that uses depends on differerant java ruby etc so I have to make things work etc. |
| 03:47.36 | LMNOP_ | ugh i'm running java |
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| 03:47.44 | hiexpo | especially ruby |
| 03:47.44 | cedwardsmedia | ew java >.< |
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| 03:48.57 | hiexpo | ruby is a world of it's own |
| 03:49.41 | hiexpo | java's not bad |
| 03:49.43 | swordsmanz | LMNOP_ meh it happens,esp with the stuff isp's shi[ |
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| 03:51.55 | hiexpo | and a grip of pyton |
| 03:53.02 | hiexpo | ^ python |
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| 04:03.50 | hanasaki | my net is a 10... address. how do I get to a server on 192.168? |
| 04:04.15 | somiaj | hanasaki: depends on your router and local network. |
| 04:04.25 | somiaj | hanasaki: this a private at home network? Using a router with dhcp? |
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| 04:05.11 | somiaj | hanasaki: oh wait, duh.... you need a router that connects the two private networks 10.x.x.x and 192.168.x.x, and routes the traffic between the two. |
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| 04:05.42 | hanasaki | somiaj: linux 2 NIC router. Internal is 10.... by dhcp All works fine except the hardware device on the internal network defaults toa 192.168... address and I need to get to its admin apge |
| 04:05.44 | hanasaki | page |
| 04:06.55 | somiaj | hanasaki: again depends on how it is all setup. But if the 10.x.x.x is connected to the 192.168.x.x network via on router, it should route your trafice and you can get to the interal device. |
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| 04:07.42 | hanasaki | router isa linux box with two NICs |
| 04:07.50 | hanasaki | its internal IP is 10. |
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| 04:08.03 | somiaj | and one nic is 192.168.x.x and the other is 10.x.x.x? |
| 04:08.16 | hanasaki | it cannot get to the hardware device which at poweron has a default ip of 192 |
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| 04:08.39 | hanasaki | somiaj: one nic (inside is 10...) |
| 04:08.51 | hanasaki | one nic outside is whatever IP the ISP gives |
| 04:09.15 | somiaj | hanasaki: well as I said you need to have a router or dns to get you between networks. I'm not following your setup close enough I can give you more advise than that. You could try ##networking |
| 04:09.15 | hanasaki | somiaj: the 192... hardware is on the internal netwokr connected to the 10. nic of the firewall |
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| 04:10.08 | somiaj | you can put the route or use iptables to set up a NAT on the machine that has both nics to connect the network. |
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| 04:10.50 | Rusty1 | i think he needs to get a 10. static on the other device |
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| 04:11.16 | hanasaki | somiaj: how to set the route? |
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| 04:15.13 | miklcct | ip route add <network> via <gateway> |
| 04:16.34 | hanasaki | not route add - net..... ? |
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| 04:17.57 | miklcct | I think "ip route add" is to manipulate the routing table |
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| 04:19.40 | hanasaki | miklcct: how is the netowrk specificed? x.x.x.x/24? |
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| 05:43.53 | soundtoxin | what comes afterjessie? I like to stay on testing releases so I imagine I'll be upgrading ASAP |
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| 05:47.17 | mjt | soundtoxin: stretch and next buster |
| 05:47.24 | mjt | soundtoxin: but does it really matter? :) |
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| 05:58.36 | soundtoxin | mjt: maybe not, just curious |
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| 06:12.15 | shentino | Question: I'm... |
| 06:12.19 | shentino | in the wrong channel lol nvm |
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| 06:17.27 | micalm | shentino: unless you seriously consider a few freaky theories, yes, you exist. |
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| 06:22.57 | shay_shay | Soundtoxin you might want to wait a month before switching to the new stable |
| 06:23.01 | shay_shay | Er |
| 06:23.06 | shay_shay | New testing |
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| 06:23.33 | shay_shay | A month from Jessie release date |
| 06:24.02 | gnudna | nice |
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| 06:26.21 | shay_shay | Wat |
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| 06:44.36 | cdbob | Anyone here use steam at all? |
| 06:44.48 | micalm | does |
| 06:45.26 | cdbob | on a server? |
| 06:45.48 | micalm | Well no, why would I. :P |
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| 06:49.02 | cdbob | Damnit |
| 06:49.04 | cdbob | figured as much |
| 06:49.07 | indieross | why? |
| 06:49.13 | indieross | whats the question |
| 06:49.15 | cdbob | I'm trying to set it up |
| 06:49.22 | cdbob | and it says there isn't enough disc space (there is) |
| 06:49.32 | cdbob | so I'm thinking it's probably just a permissions thing |
| 06:49.38 | indieross | is there a gui on this server? |
| 06:49.45 | cdbob | No |
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| 06:50.13 | indieross | i dont think steam has a cli |
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| 06:50.22 | cdbob | apparently it does work |
| 06:50.36 | cdbob | There is a steam shell |
| 06:50.39 | cdbob | that's what I'm using |
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| 06:51.35 | indieross | oh so built your own steam box |
| 06:51.51 | cdbob | No |
| 06:51.56 | cdbob | it's a dedicated server |
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| 06:52.07 | cdbob | I have another server in my house |
| 06:52.12 | cdbob | but this is an ovh server |
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| 07:44.39 | janeai | #flood |
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| 07:50.00 | ahop | I read a few docs about how to be able to send mail from command line |
| 07:50.09 | ahop | Do I really need to set up a SMTP ? |
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| 07:51.59 | starbuck | hi, is it possible to manage a program wich was not installed vie a packet (.deb) via the commandline 'service xxx restart/stop...' ? |
| 07:52.01 | micalm | ahop: no, you only need an MTA. You can use other SMTP servers, such as the Google's one |
| 07:52.43 | ahop | micalm a what ? |
| 07:52.47 | ahop | MTA? |
| 07:52.53 | micalm | starbuck: read first ~30 lines of man service |
| 07:52.57 | micalm | ahop: Mail Transport Agent. |
| 07:53.21 | micalm | They communicate with the SMTP protocol, but you don't need your server to be able to send emails directly. |
| 07:54.16 | ahop | yes but I want my own server to do it |
| 07:54.58 | ahop | mass emailing (*not* spam, I have people registered to a newsletter), and I would like to handle it myself |
| 07:55.15 | starbuck | ahop, thnks |
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| 07:55.43 | ahop | with another SMTP, i will always have to see if spam filter on / off |
| 07:55.55 | starbuck | sorry, i meant micalm :)... thank you |
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| 07:56.18 | ahop | so it will be annoying, that's why I wanted to handle it myself with my own server ... Do i need to configure a postfix or sometihng like this? |
| 07:56.18 | SaintMoriarty | hello! |
| 07:56.34 | SaintMoriarty | how can I find what the path is to npm binary |
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| 08:00.45 | colo-work | SaintMoriarty, if it's in your PATH, `type -p npm` |
| 08:01.03 | SaintMoriarty | I don't think its in my path |
| 08:01.08 | SaintMoriarty | thats why I need to locate it |
| 08:01.11 | colo-work | you could also try `find / -name npm 2>/dev/null` |
| 08:01.14 | SaintMoriarty | I know its on the system |
| 08:01.36 | colo-work | maybe `find / -xdev -name npm 2>/dev/null` finds it more quickly |
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| 08:03.58 | micalm | ahop: yes, you do. |
| 08:04.13 | micalm | ahop: theres a nice tutorial for that somewhere on DigitalOceans site. |
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| 08:12.25 | ahop | micalm do you have URL? |
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| 08:13.06 | micalm | ahop: google digitalocean dovecot postfix, boss is watching me :> |
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| 08:15.27 | ahop | micalm ok :) why dovecot? |
| 08:15.36 | tdn | What is the preferred way of installing an unpackaged python program on Debian? I have written a plugin based program that is normally deployed in /usr/share/pyshared/myapp/..., however, I do not yet have a debian package for this, so I guess I should avoid installing in /usr/share, right? So what am I to do instead? Use /opt? Or /usr/local/something? |
| 08:15.39 | ahop | I saw a tutorial involving with dovecot, do I really need that? why? |
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| 08:16.27 | micalm | ahop: you don't need it if you only want to send emails, it'll just point you to the right tutorial more likely. |
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| 08:21.42 | Guest5385 | Anyone have experience with power management tools like "LTP" or "Laptop-Mode-Tools"? Which do you prefer any why? |
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| 08:32.59 | david-e | had to rebuild some lenny debs: installed a VM and everything looks ok. recompiled the custom packeges without errors but no binaries inside the deb |
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| 08:33.46 | david-e | I've issued " sudo dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot" to build |
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| 08:44.58 | veek | how do you install k9copy on debian |
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| 08:54.40 | valdyn | veek: why would you need it? its unmained for a few years it seems |
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| 08:55.23 | valdyn | http://tomtomtom.org/k9copy-reloaded/en.html |
| 08:55.59 | veek | valdyn, ah yep, i'm using k3b :p |
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| 08:56.25 | valdyn | veek: maybe you are also looking for something like handbrake |
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| 09:11.19 | soundtoxin | shay_shay: how come I should wait a month? |
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| 09:12.23 | micalm | soundtoxin: I believe because thouroughly tested, bug-free releases never are. :P |
| 09:12.50 | soundtoxin | micalm: I just worry about certain software that never seems to be in stable repos |
| 09:12.53 | soundtoxin | like steam |
| 09:13.05 | soundtoxin | and not being able to use it if I fall behind |
| 09:13.22 | soundtoxin | I am not a fan of using backports either |
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| 09:13.51 | soundtoxin | I actually ditched crunchbang because backports were giving me trouble and upgrading crunchbang to testing broke a lot of things so I just learned vanilla debian |
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| 09:16.12 | micalm | soundtoxin: doesn't Steam have it's own repo? |
| 09:16.24 | soundtoxin | if it does I am not aware of it |
| 09:16.49 | soundtoxin | getting steam on vanilla jessie is as simple as enabling multiarch (it's 32bit) and non-free then apt-get install steam |
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| 09:17.06 | micalm | soundtoxin: check out repo.steampowered.com |
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| 09:17.29 | soundtoxin | oh wow neat |
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| 09:17.58 | soundtoxin | steam has its own auto updater instead of using apt so I will probably be okay as long as I don't remove it |
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| 09:18.12 | soundtoxin | I'll write this down for the future though |
| 09:18.12 | soundtoxin | thanks |
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| 10:30.08 | DavidFromBelgium | !1tmt3ch! |
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| 10:57.41 | superlinux | would someone please give me a working email server setup on debian jessie? thanks. I tested many and they look like they are missing many things |
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| 11:03.28 | Skyrider | Is there a way for me to change postfix's "send from"? |
| 11:03.52 | Skyrider | Received: from vps.xxxx.com ([127.0.0.1]) - by localhost (vps.xxxx.com [127.0.0.1]) <-- |
| 11:04.00 | Skyrider | I want that to be my VPS's IP address. |
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| 11:04.29 | mjt | but this really is 127.0.0.1 |
| 11:04.37 | Skyrider | Indeed.. |
| 11:04.42 | Skyrider | but gmail/hotmail flags it as spam |
| 11:04.48 | Skyrider | when I send to to a hotmail/gmail address |
| 11:04.49 | valdyn | Skyrider: maybe fixing /etc/hosts is sufficient |
| 11:05.12 | mjt | I very much doubt it flags your mail as spam due to 127.0.0.1 |
| 11:05.17 | mjt | lots of mail flows like that |
| 11:05.27 | valdyn | Skyrider: and that ^^ |
| 11:05.31 | Skyrider | Then I dunno why gmail/hotmail flags it as spam instantly. |
| 11:05.45 | valdyn | Skyrider: because of your ip and domain name |
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| 11:06.08 | pippo | !ciao |
| 11:06.09 | dpkg | somebody said ciao was both hello and goodbye (casual), or a slow and old but widely known Prolog interpreter. |
| 11:06.16 | pippo | !list |
| 11:06.16 | dpkg | pippo: vedi http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 11:07.53 | Skyrider | Any of you using gmail/hotmail? |
| 11:08.10 | Skyrider | mind if I send you an email to see if it's being flagged or not? |
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| 11:08.38 | SynrG | you know you can register yourself an account to test that. |
| 11:08.40 | valdyn | Skyrider: it does not need gmail to see why your mail is flagged as spam, most probably |
| 11:08.59 | valdyn | Skyrider: in fact, gmail just rejects or flags it does not tell you why |
| 11:09.05 | valdyn | Skyrider: so its a bad test |
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| 11:09.39 | valdyn | Skyrider: send a mail to whatever@valdyn.org and i might be able to tell you |
| 11:10.17 | pippo | www.debian.org/distrib/ |
| 11:11.00 | pippo | www.debian.org/intro/about |
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| 11:11.37 | pippo | !ciao |
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| 11:11.37 | dpkg | from memory, ciao is both hello and goodbye (casual), or a slow and old but widely known Prolog interpreter. |
| 11:11.45 | pippo | !list |
| 11:11.46 | dpkg | pippo: vedi http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 11:12.09 | Skyrider | mail send to whatever@valdyn.org |
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| 11:12.21 | valdyn | Skyrider: ok, let me see |
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| 11:12.46 | gesttt4 | how can i connect more than one keyboard and route keys? suppose i have azerty and querty usb keyboards and i want to choose from application and let both running? |
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| 11:16.00 | mjt | gesttt4: choose from applications? What do you mean? |
| 11:16.24 | mjt | if you plug in both, both will Just Work (tm) |
| 11:16.58 | Skyrider | I have no idea why even hotmail flags the mail.. |
| 11:17.00 | gesttt4 | mjt i dont know exactly, if application must be made to choose, or if there is some routing possible |
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| 11:17.03 | Skyrider | The subject, etc should be fine. |
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| 11:17.22 | mjt | Skyrider: what is your IP address? |
| 11:17.23 | valdyn | Skyrider: theres no big problem for spamassassin |
| 11:17.31 | Skyrider | I even signed the mail with opendkim |
| 11:17.43 | Skyrider | 31.220.25.96 |
| 11:17.51 | valdyn | Skyrider: that signature appears to be wrong, but thats not a problem anyway |
| 11:17.57 | gesttt4 | mjt seem keyboards usb one are everywhere very cheap, and i would like to connect many to make danse floor or music input |
| 11:18.00 | Skyrider | wrong? ;o |
| 11:18.02 | Skyrider | Odd |
| 11:18.06 | mjt | Skyrider: is it the one from which you're sending mail? |
| 11:18.08 | valdyn | Skyrider: i cant say for sure |
| 11:18.37 | Skyrider | I did a check with http://www.protodave.com/tools/dkim-key-checker . says the key is fine. |
| 11:18.40 | valdyn | Skyrider: Skyrider 31.220.25.96 has no reverse dns |
| 11:19.06 | Skyrider | mjt: ? and valdyn: do share. |
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| 11:19.28 | valdyn | Skyrider: if that is your delivering ip, then it needs a reverse dns entry |
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| 11:20.09 | mjt | usually |
| 11:20.11 | valdyn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:20.47 | valdyn | Skyrider: thats a low weight on my system, but you *really* need a rDNS for your delivering ip |
| 11:21.18 | Skyrider | I assume you refer to /etc/hosts ? |
| 11:21.30 | valdyn | Skyrider: no, dns |
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| 11:21.41 | valdyn | Skyrider: run "host 8.8.8.8" |
| 11:21.51 | valdyn | Skyrider: then run "host 31.220.25.96" |
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| 11:22.37 | Skyrider | Not found, 3. |
| 11:22.46 | Skyrider | Host 96.25.220.31.in-addr.arpa. not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) |
| 11:22.53 | valdyn | Skyrider: exactly |
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| 11:24.00 | Skyrider | interesting.. |
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| 11:24.09 | Skyrider | Mind sharing how to add/change it? |
| 11:24.16 | mjt | Skyrider: send a test email to, say, my address, such as mjt+test@tls.msk.ru |
| 11:24.30 | valdyn | Skyrider: "helo=vps.tf2lottery.com" is what your delivery agent sais. But the reverse dns does not even match "tf2lottery.com" |
| 11:24.49 | mjt | valdyn: that's hardly a requiriment |
| 11:24.52 | valdyn | Skyrider: how you can set the reverse entry depends on your isp, your isp does it. |
| 11:25.07 | valdyn | mjt: no one said its a requirement, duh, this is EMAIL |
| 11:25.14 | mjt | heh. point |
| 11:25.40 | mjt | but in reality, too many mailservers use hello strings which has nothing to do with rDNS whatsoever |
| 11:25.58 | valdyn | mjt: sa will score that by default iirc |
| 11:26.08 | mjt | so again I highly doubt this is the reason for rejection. Might be small additional score |
| 11:26.12 | valdyn | mjt: of course having no rdns at all scores alot higher |
| 11:26.17 | mjt | yup |
| 11:26.57 | valdyn | Skyrider: ideally your helo matches the mx record and that matches the reverse, some deviations are still ok though |
| 11:26.58 | Skyrider | Mail send. |
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| 11:27.27 | mjt | Skyrider: and it bounced |
| 11:27.42 | mjt | reject: RCPT from unknown[31.220.25.96]: 550 5.7.1 Client host rejected: cannot find your reverse hostname, [31.220.25.96]; from=... |
| 11:27.47 | Skyrider | indeed, received it |
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| 11:28.06 | valdyn | Skyrider: so thats the same point, just a higher score at mjt |
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| 11:29.56 | valdyn | Skyrider: this is simple anyway, ask your vps provider to set the reverse dns |
| 11:30.11 | valdyn | Skyrider: theres most probably a web interface for that... |
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| 11:31.07 | Skyrider | meh.. |
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| 11:31.33 | Skyrider | interesting.. |
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| 11:31.39 | Skyrider | There's a rdns option. |
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| 11:32.21 | Skyrider | yup. |
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| 11:32.25 | Skyrider | I have a reverse DNS option on my vps. |
| 11:32.30 | Skyrider | should I add what, vps.tf2lottery.com? |
| 11:32.53 | valdyn | Skyrider: thats ok I think, considering the circumstances and your other names |
| 11:33.05 | Skyrider | I'll alter that to another domain soon. |
| 11:33.11 | Skyrider | Seeing I don't want to keep using tf2lottery forever. |
| 11:33.21 | Skyrider | but for now, goopd for testing. |
| 11:33.32 | Skyrider | oke, reverse dns set |
| 11:33.41 | Skyrider | 96.25.220.31.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer vps.tf2lottery.com. |
| 11:33.48 | valdyn | mail.domienbrandsma.nl is the same ip, right? that doesnt match, so this is not ideal, but probably good enough |
| 11:34.19 | Skyrider | How would one setup a rdns / mail accounts all under the same IP with multiple domains? |
| 11:34.45 | valdyn | Skyrider: i said good enough, so you would have to cope with good enough instead of ideal |
| 11:34.45 | Skyrider | resend mail mjt+test@tls.msk.ru |
| 11:34.52 | Skyrider | lol :) |
| 11:35.10 | valdyn | Skyrider: err |
| 11:35.16 | valdyn | Skyrider: you can use the same mx for all |
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| 11:35.26 | Skyrider | odd. |
| 11:35.29 | valdyn | Skyrider: and you can then have the same reverse for all |
| 11:35.30 | Skyrider | same bounce back. |
| 11:35.40 | valdyn | Skyrider: dns does not propagate instantly |
| 11:35.54 | Skyrider | I'll wait a few hours then.. |
| 11:35.59 | Skyrider | stupid dns |
| 11:36.14 | Skyrider | Thanks for the help thus far :) |
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| 11:36.43 | Skyrider | https://who.is/dns/tf2lottery.com - let me know if 'anything' is missing |
| 11:36.45 | Skyrider | that should be there |
| 11:36.50 | Skyrider | DNS record wise. |
| 11:37.10 | Skyrider | This is the first time I'm setting up the DNS records on my own vps. rather than using the dns on my domain hoster. |
| 11:37.17 | Skyrider | Also first time for me setting up mail |
| 11:38.48 | valdyn | Skyrider: its not even propagted at the SOA |
| 11:39.05 | valdyn | Skyrider: so your isp is extremely slow here or you did something wrong |
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| 11:40.43 | valdyn | Skyrider: you're showing forward dns there, not the reverse |
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| 11:43.46 | valdyn | Skyrider: now its ok at the SOA |
| 11:44.02 | mjt | what was the TTL? |
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| 11:44.20 | valdyn | 96.25.220.31.in-addr.arpa. 86400 INPTRvps.tf2lottery.com. |
| 11:44.29 | valdyn | mjt: there was no entry |
| 11:44.43 | mjt | yeah, there's negative ttl for that |
| 11:46.55 | valdyn | 25.220.31.in-addr.arpa. 9109 IN SOA rdns1.iniz.com |
| 11:47.13 | valdyn | maybe that means 9109 seconds till i get the new name |
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| 11:49.21 | Filystyn | ok so basicly |
| 11:49.54 | Filystyn | i want to download dev libcurl so i can use it in C code problem is there is curl in synaptic but no dev file |
| 11:50.21 | valdyn | Filystyn: "apt-cache search libcurl dev" |
| 11:50.56 | CissWit | Filystyn: https://packages.debian.org/fr/wheezy/libcurl-dev |
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| 11:52.07 | Filystyn | so i need those 3 packages to have "lib curl dev" ? |
| 11:52.21 | valdyn | Filystyn: what 3? |
| 11:52.42 | Bielecki | Hello. I've got a VPS from OVH with Debian 7. I've installed TightVNC, iceweasel, pulseaudio, TeamSpeak3 (I want to run a music bot) and that stuff on it, and I don't have audio on html5-bazed sites (like html5.grooveshark.com). How to fix that? Prevously I had VPS on Digital Ocean, and it worked fine... |
| 11:52.56 | Filystyn | Packages providing libcurl-dev |
| 11:53.12 | Filystyn | ah meaby ill just try ... |
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| 11:53.34 | valdyn | Filystyn: or you could read the package description ;) |
| 11:54.10 | aeg | one of my nfs mount will not work and now the mount process is hanging; kill -9 will not kill it; any hints or tips |
| 11:54.37 | CissWit | Filystyn: any of them will provide libcurl-dev but witha different configuration (here the difference is the SSL library used) |
| 11:54.39 | Filystyn | aaah |
| 11:54.42 | Filystyn | it's one of those simply |
| 11:54.44 | Filystyn | ok |
| 11:54.46 | Filystyn | i get it |
| 11:54.46 | buu | aeg: what state is the process in? |
| 11:55.18 | Filystyn | hooorey |
| 11:55.24 | Filystyn | i got https ;-) |
| 11:55.27 | Filystyn | Thank you guys;) |
| 11:55.37 | Bielecki | aeg: try htop or top, maybe some parents or sth have to be killed too |
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| 11:56.46 | aeg | Bielecki: aux says 'D' |
| 11:57.04 | CissWit | aeg: it is an uninterruptible sleep, its quite common |
| 11:57.38 | CissWit | most of the time the solution is to unmount the nfs filesystem |
| 11:57.49 | Skyrider | valdyn: Skyrider: now its ok at the SOA ? |
| 11:58.04 | Skyrider | The SOA record as you saw it has been like that for a day. |
| 11:58.49 | CissWit | aeg: umount -f or umount -l should help unmount the nfs filesystem and allow you to kill the process |
| 11:58.57 | valdyn | Skyrider: yea, its ok at the soa, 8400 seconds till *my* dns is updated |
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| 11:59.20 | valdyn | Skyrider: at the soa means just that the authorative nameserver is updated |
| 11:59.30 | Skyrider | ah, oke :) |
| 11:59.41 | Skyrider | the TTL of 10 hours / 40min has been set as default.. |
| 11:59.47 | Skyrider | should it by default usually be so long? |
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| 12:00.27 | valdyn | Skyrider: i dont know, of course this serves to save resources at the provider of that service |
| 12:00.39 | Skyrider | webmin set it as default ;) |
| 12:01.04 | Bielecki | has no html5 sound, and begs for help :( |
| 12:01.26 | zh1 | does cisco packet tracer 6.2.0 run on debian wheezy 7.8.0? |
| 12:01.39 | Skyrider | soneva.. |
| 12:01.46 | Skyrider | hotmail still flags as spam.. further more.. |
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| 12:02.02 | Skyrider | Further more.. the send by shows the email address |
| 12:02.04 | Skyrider | rather than the name. |
| 12:02.21 | Skyrider | wonder how I can change that. |
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| 12:02.59 | aeg | CissWit: thx, stange, the umount -f did stop mount process and now the remote file system where is did hang on is mounted ?; any idea what maked th mount hang in the first place ? |
| 12:03.06 | valdyn | Skyrider: most probably hostmail does not yet get the rdns |
| 12:03.18 | Skyrider | And what about the email name? |
| 12:03.29 | Skyrider | contact@domienbrandsma.nl -> subject name |
| 12:03.37 | Skyrider | It should be defined as my name, then show the subject. |
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| 12:06.11 | Skyrider | how do I know if rdns has taken effect? |
| 12:06.33 | aeg | CissWit: correction is now mounted but still can't access the files or do a ls |
| 12:06.48 | valdyn | Skyrider: you dont, you cant know when hotmails dns updates |
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| 12:06.58 | Skyrider | hotmail relies on rdns? |
| 12:07.03 | Skyrider | from other users? |
| 12:07.06 | valdyn | Skyrider: everyone does |
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| 12:07.43 | Skyrider | I am referring spam/flag wise :D |
| 12:07.52 | valdyn | Skyrider: yes, everyone does |
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| 12:08.20 | valdyn | Skyrider: of course theres badly configured systems, but other than that checking the reverse dns is standard |
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| 12:09.46 | valdyn | Skyrider: that does not mean that everyone would bounce your mail if the reverse dns is broken, but its checked and given some score |
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| 12:11.16 | aeg | de domain info moet over de domain servers verspreid worden, dat kan eff duren, op een domain info staat een "time to live" als die is verlopen dan vraag een andere domain server de gevens opnieuw op |
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| 12:11.25 | aeg | sorry |
| 12:12.01 | Skyrider | :o |
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| 12:12.31 | Skyrider | Then I would simply adjust the TTL ;) |
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| 12:13.31 | Skyrider | when I send out an email to my gmail address, the source says |
| 12:13.40 | Skyrider | "spf=none (google.com: contact@domienbrandsma.nl does not designate permitted sender hosts) smtp.mail=contact@domienbrandsma.nl;" |
| 12:13.44 | Skyrider | Is this important by any chance? |
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| 12:14.21 | valdyn | Skyrider: i cant say how google scores spf records |
| 12:14.32 | Skyrider | I have no clue what it means either ^^ |
| 12:14.51 | Skyrider | and another: Received-SPF: none (google.com: contact@domienbrandsma.nl does not designate permitted sender hosts) client-ip=31.220.25.96; |
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| 12:15.04 | MrDetonia | Hello. I've just installed a fresh system and have installed the firmware-nonfree-linux package along with libgl1-mesa-dri and xserver-xorg-radeon. For some reason I cannot select a resolution higher than 1024x768. Can I somehow add higher resolutions, and set 1280x1024 to be the default? |
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| 12:15.57 | valdyn | Skyrider: it seems spf record may be important to google |
| 12:16.08 | valdyn | Skyrider: so you might need to add that |
| 12:16.31 | valdyn | http://help.directadmin.com/item.php?id=207 |
| 12:17.10 | valdyn | Skyrider: or maybe that first: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sender_Policy_Framework |
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| 12:17.42 | Skyrider | txt record? |
| 12:18.02 | valdyn | Skyrider: dns entries have record types |
| 12:18.17 | Skyrider | I'm aware, but the record of the link you've shown me sounds familiar. |
| 12:18.22 | Skyrider | is this a txt record. |
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| 12:18.51 | valdyn | Skyrider: yea |
| 12:19.14 | Skyrider | kk, I'lla dd it |
| 12:19.17 | Skyrider | **I'll add it, thanks |
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| 12:20.16 | micalm | There's also a SPF record type, but rarely supported. |
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| 12:21.07 | CissWit | aeg: with nfs it's most probably a network issue, can't guess much more |
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| 12:23.16 | CissWit | aeg: you should have a look at the soft option of nfs btw |
| 12:24.52 | buu | Also nfs is the devil |
| 12:24.59 | aeg | CissWit: 3 other mounts between the same machines are working ok, only this one is, i' looking in that direcotory for stange things |
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| 12:25.40 | Skyrider | NDC command failed : rndc: connect failed: 127.0.0.1#953: connection refused |
| 12:25.43 | Skyrider | -_- |
| 12:26.21 | Skyrider | getting that randomly |
| 12:26.22 | Skyrider | no idea why |
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| 12:30.11 | Bielecki | Hello. I've got a VPS from OVH with Debian 7. I've installed TightVNC, iceweasel, pulseaudio, TeamSpeak3 (I want to run a music bot) and that stuff on it, and I don't have audio on html5-bazed sites (like html5.grooveshark.com). How to fix that? Prevously I had VPS on Digital Ocean, and it worked fine... |
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| 12:35.08 | ToApolytoXaos | greetings folks. i'm using debian testing 64-bit for ages now and today for first time i got three peculiar messages upon dist-upgrade. "EXT4-fs (sda2): unable to read superblock", "FAT4-fs (sda2): bogus logical sector size 62405", and "qnx4: no qnx4 filesystem (no root dir)". I have no idea why would it report such thing. is it related to systemd or something? |
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| 12:38.34 | Brigo | ToApolytoXaos, did you upgrade the kernel? |
| 12:39.26 | valdyn | ToApolytoXaos: this happens when grub is updated |
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| 12:39.51 | valdyn | ToApolytoXaos: it looks for operating systems to add to the boot menu. This is harmless. |
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| 12:40.25 | valdyn | ToApolytoXaos: *unless* should you really have an ext4 filesystem on sda2 |
| 12:42.13 | ToApolytoXaos | Brigo: I just run updates and then run a dist-upgrade, that's all; it's a daily routine since i'm under testing distro |
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| 12:42.30 | ToApolytoXaos | valdyn: true, that is when that message appeared |
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| 12:43.08 | MrNaz | what is the "official" way to get the latest python on debian stable? it's not backported and python don't have a repo... do I really need to compile it from source? |
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| 12:44.15 | abrotman | MrNaz: a) yes, b) you probably don't want to replace the system python, you'd probably want a chroot or similar |
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| 12:44.53 | ToApolytoXaos | valdyn: indeed my LVM is of ext4 filesystem; should i worry? |
| 12:45.20 | valdyn | ToApolytoXaos: if its lvm, then the ext4 filesystem is on lvm, *not* on sda2 directly |
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| 12:45.41 | valdyn | ToApolytoXaos: so, no, nothing to worry |
| 12:45.41 | MrNaz | abrotman why don't I want to replace the system python? |
| 12:45.50 | ToApolytoXaos | valdyn: thanks mate, cheers :) |
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| 12:47.59 | tombee | Any recommendations as to which desktop environment to install with Debian? |
| 12:48.11 | ToApolytoXaos | tombee: it depends from your taste |
| 12:48.13 | abrotman | MrNaz: many system utilities expect a certiain version of python, etc |
| 12:48.16 | ToApolytoXaos | i'm more than fine with fluxbox |
| 12:48.20 | tombee | Looking for a lightweight, but functional desktop environment :) |
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| 12:48.39 | ToApolytoXaos | tombee: you could choose between LXDE and XFCE4 |
| 12:48.52 | ToApolytoXaos | or fluxbox...too many options lol |
| 12:48.53 | tombee | I found i3wm alone too much of a hassle with the laptop I'm running it on. |
| 12:48.59 | teraflop | tombee: i think xfce4 is lightweigth enough |
| 12:49.21 | MrNaz | tombee my vote is for XFCE... been using it for years, and it works fine even on my circa 2008 atom based shuttle PC |
| 12:49.48 | MrNaz | I've tried Fluxbox, I found it to look a bit too... unpolished for my taste |
| 12:49.49 | tombee | Cool, thanks for that. Obviously I don't want to start any religious wars on desktop environments, but I gnome3 doesn't seem to fit the bill for a desktop environment for work (software dev) |
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| 12:50.02 | MrNaz | admittedly, that was >5 years ago when I tried it, and I'm sure a LOT has changed since then |
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| 12:50.26 | tombee | I like i3.. but yeah, I don't want to spend my day messing around with config files to get display management, bluetooth, wireless, vpn, etc. working :) |
| 12:50.31 | ToApolytoXaos | MrNaz: it's true; indeed it looks too dry, but it's alright for the things i'm using my system. for a more desktop-oriented system, i would choose MATE |
| 12:50.35 | abrotman | tombee: LXDE is decent enough |
| 12:51.12 | MrNaz | ToApolytoXaos how does MATE stack up as a lightweight desktop compared to, say XFCE? I've not tried it yet, but if it's as light as XFCE or close to it, I've heard it looks really slick |
| 12:51.28 | ToApolytoXaos | MrNaz: eeeeh because it's lightweight? O.o |
| 12:51.33 | MrNaz | what was it people say about it? That it's what Gnome 3 ought to have been? |
| 12:51.40 | ToApolytoXaos | it starts with 156MB of use on a 64-bit debian |
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| 12:52.18 | MrNaz | i think i'll give it a shot |
| 12:52.21 | MrNaz | it's overdue that i do |
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| 12:52.29 | ToApolytoXaos | cool |
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| 12:55.35 | trae32566[w] | so uh |
| 12:55.51 | trae32566[w] | is it true that restarting networking in debian is depricated? |
| 12:56.00 | trae32566[w] | or is it just that NetworkManager is preferred |
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| 12:59.30 | MrDetonia | Hi, I asked a bit earlier about this but didn't get a response; I'm trying to configure the open ATI drivers to make 1280x1024 the default resolution, but can't seem to figure out how. |
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| 12:59.56 | trae32566[w] | MrDetonia: use the GUI |
| 13:00.16 | MrDetonia | The GUI only allows me to choose between 800x600 and 1024x768 |
| 13:00.22 | Skyrider | oki |
| 13:00.22 | Skyrider | going to reinstall my VPS |
| 13:00.22 | Skyrider | forget about the mail. |
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| 13:00.29 | trae32566[w] | o.o |
| 13:00.36 | trae32566[w] | does your display support that resolution? |
| 13:00.44 | trae32566[w] | if so, what is it being detected as |
| 13:01.02 | MrDetonia | trae32566[w], It does yes, xrandr confirms. I have generated an xorg.conf (which I know I shouldn't need), but don't know how to add different display modes. |
| 13:01.26 | MrDetonia | Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1024 x 768, maximum 16384 x 16384 |
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| 13:02.46 | Bielecki | anyone know how to fix no html5 sound? :( |
| 13:03.24 | Skyrider | Afraid not |
| 13:04.04 | Bielecki | oh... fine :( I'll try to search help somewhere else :( anyway thanks |
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| 13:04.39 | Skyrider | soz mate. |
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| 13:05.38 | trae32566[w] | MrDetonia: not sure... IIRC xorg.conf (at least with nvidia) doesn't seem to actually do anything for me |
| 13:07.13 | MrDetonia | trae32566[w], I did have this problem with a previous install, the proprietary drivers had the correct resolution, but I had so many other problems with them. I'd like to get the free ones working if I could. |
| 13:07.28 | MrDetonia | I'll try adding display modes to xorg.conf and see if it does anything |
| 13:07.49 | Brigo | MrDetonia, in screen section |
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| 13:08.35 | Brigo | MrDetonia, check my example at http://paste.debian.net/164674/ |
| 13:09.07 | MrDetonia | Brigo, cheers. I couldn't remember how to do that. Will try now |
| 13:09.16 | iksik | hello |
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| 13:09.32 | Brigo | MrDetonia, yw :) |
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| 13:11.09 | iksik | i'm not really familiar with debian init.d scripts but somehow i've managed to make this thing work when starting it ie. using service pm2 start|stop|status|restart, but somehow it just doesn't starts on system boot (symlink to /etc/init.d/pm2 is present under /etc/rc3.d/) - https://gist.github.com/krzysztofantczak/0fc855cfa438f812f18b - anyone can tell me what am i doing wrong |
| 13:11.10 | iksik | in here? |
| 13:11.16 | jhutchins | !ati |
| 13:11.17 | dpkg | Where possible, most ATI/AMD graphics processing units are supported using the open source "radeon" driver on Debian systems by default, ask me about <radeon>. To install the proprietary "fglrx" driver, ask me about <fglrx>; installing this directly from amd.com (i.e. with the AMD Catalyst installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati on irc.freenode.net. |
| 13:11.20 | MrDetonia | Brigo, will the highest listed resolution be used by default? Or can you set the default elsewhere? |
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| 13:12.08 | siebjee | is anyone here able to help me with xl2tp and performance improvements ? Not able to get over the ~30 Mbps :( (10gbit line) |
| 13:12.13 | Brigo | MrDetonia, the first, i think, or it is remembered. |
| 13:12.29 | Brigo | gtg. |
| 13:12.44 | trae32566[w] | siebjee: easy, don't use l2tp :D |
| 13:12.52 | dvs | iksik: use update-rc.d command |
| 13:12.53 | trae32566[w] | lol, I have no idea though |
| 13:12.54 | MrDetonia | k, cheers for the help |
| 13:13.20 | siebjee | Haha, but i need it to be encrypted xD @trae32566[w] |
| 13:13.23 | Skyrider | Anyway for me to backup my VPS files in terminal? |
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| 13:13.27 | Skyrider | Might as well backup / |
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| 13:13.38 | siebjee | And using ipsec l2tp is required |
| 13:13.48 | OSVG | How is l2tp required? |
| 13:13.56 | siebjee | Cisco |
| 13:14.02 | iksik | dvs: oh, i see it throws bunch of warnings on me, so i'm guessing i have few thing to fix ,thank You ;) |
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| 13:14.34 | dvs | yw |
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| 13:16.03 | OSVG | "Cisco" isnt' an answer to that question. L2TP is a tunnelling protocol, not encryption. |
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| 13:17.16 | siebjee | OSVG i know that, using IPSEC for encryption, and Cisco used the L2TP / IPSEC stack for encrypted tunneling |
| 13:17.23 | OSVG | Is your speed problem occuring when you tunnel, or when you encrypt? Can you swap tunneling protocols? Are you using the right encryption? Like all of these are critical information. |
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| 13:17.43 | OSVG | siebjee: Cisco has used a lot of things for encrypted tunneling, not just one protocol pair. |
| 13:17.56 | siebjee | OSVG let me check if l2tp alone is not the bottelneck it self, haven't tried that yet :x |
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| 13:19.20 | colo-work | jasonwc, was it you who experienced problems with a LSI SAS2xxx-based HBA under Debian? (your nickname turned up in a Google result I just got :)) |
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| 13:20.09 | trae32566[w] | also, is the bottleneck on the cisco side? |
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| 13:21.52 | OSVG | If it doesn't support GRE/IPSec without l2tp then probably. |
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| 13:28.08 | siebjee | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:28.42 | siebjee | Unfortunately OSX doesn't support only l2tp without ipsec :( |
| 13:28.45 | trae32566[w] | also check latency |
| 13:29.01 | siebjee | Latency is quite alright :) only a few MS, 8-12 |
| 13:29.08 | trae32566[w] | the real problem is figuring out the side causing issues |
| 13:29.25 | siebjee | With OSX, no VPN i got 250 mbit :) |
| 13:29.26 | OSVG | Windows. |
| 13:29.35 | OSVG | Are you using an actual client? |
| 13:29.39 | siebjee | OSVG usually is the issue yes |
| 13:29.41 | OSVG | Or using the Microsoft l2tp tunnel? |
| 13:29.53 | siebjee | OSX built-in client |
| 13:29.59 | siebjee | and windows build-in |
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| 13:30.13 | OSVG | Mmk. |
| 13:31.10 | siebjee | The server self is also able to get atleast 700Mbps |
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| 13:32.45 | trae32566[w] | well yeah, but that isn't the issue |
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| 13:32.55 | trae32566[w] | you need to test multiple servers and multiple clients |
| 13:33.08 | trae32566[w] | it could be a CPU issue, or a RAM issue, or many other things |
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| 13:33.23 | trae32566[w] | remember that IPSec encryption /is/ encryption, and does take CPU time |
| 13:34.03 | jasonwc | colo-work, yes |
| 13:34.09 | jasonwc | colo-work, nice google searching |
| 13:34.37 | colo-work | jasonwc, thanks ;) may I ask what you ultimately choose to do? did you get rid of the HBA? |
| 13:34.58 | colo-work | chose* |
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| 13:35.21 | siebjee | trae32566[w]: I'm aware that encryption uses CPU usage. |
| 13:36.15 | siebjee | I've checked the server and client side while transferring data. And neither goes above 2% usage. |
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| 13:36.38 | siebjee | I'll get another server up and running to connect to the vpn server. And try another transfer |
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| 13:38.17 | jasonwc | colo-work, The problem was with the P20 IT ifrmware. P17 and P19 work fine. |
| 13:38.26 | trae32566[w] | siebjee: it could be a lot of client or server things, known limitations and whatnot |
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| 13:38.51 | colo-work | jasonwc, really? so a downgrade fixed your problems? |
| 13:39.12 | colo-work | (I'm on P20 on a 2008 HBA, and have similar problems and experience lower-than-expected performance) |
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| 13:39.48 | jasonwc | colo-work, Yes, P20 was causing CRC errors |
| 13:40.04 | jasonwc | Exhibited by stalling I/O |
| 13:40.10 | jasonwc | It would work fine and then halt for no reason |
| 13:40.13 | colo-work | fascinating. that's still the current release from LSI/av...whatever they call themselves now |
| 13:40.16 | jasonwc | Fixed entireliy by moving to P19/P17 |
| 13:40.35 | colo-work | what did you settle for in the end, 19 or 17? or both, for different cards? |
| 13:41.21 | colo-work | I think I'm seeing the hung I/O problem myself this very moment :> |
| 13:41.26 | colo-work | "good job, LSI." |
| 13:41.51 | colo-work | guess I'll grab the P19 firmware release then |
| 13:42.27 | colo-work | jasonwc, do you happen to know if downgrading the firmware requires a host (as in host machine) reboot to become effective? |
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| 13:45.01 | Anthro | Shell question: I know I can do "FOO=bar doSomething" to put FOO in the environment of the doSomething process. Is there a similar way to undefine an environment variable for a single command? |
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| 13:46.35 | jasonwc | colo-work, The method I used requires IPMI or physical machine access as you boot with a USB flash drive with the LSI utils, wipe the existing firmware and ROM, reboot, and install the new ones |
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| 13:47.04 | colo-work | Anthro, `FOO= command` should work |
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| 13:47.20 | jasonwc | colo-work, I believe you can also use the LSI utility on Linux to wipe the ROM/firmware and reflash but it would still require a reboot |
| 13:47.32 | colo-work | jasonwc, I see. I flashed (as in upgraded) LSI firmware from within a running GNU/Linux system multiple times already |
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| 13:48.03 | colo-work | I'll just try. it's just the most important production machine, so what could possible go wrong, right? |
| 13:48.25 | Anthro | colo-work: That sets it to the empty string, but I don't think it actually removes it. |
| 13:48.39 | jasonwc | colo-work, yeah, upgrading is easy - downgrading not so much |
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| 13:49.06 | jasonwc | colo-work, The LSI utility won't let you downgrade so you need to wipe the existing ROM and reboot at which point you can flash the new one |
| 13:49.06 | colo-work | jasonwc, afaict, the only thing that REALLY needs you to get out the big gun is flashing from IR to IT; and vice versa |
| 13:49.10 | colo-work | I had to do that under DOS |
| 13:49.16 | colo-work | hmm, I see |
| 13:49.20 | Anthro | colo-work: And testing it, that's the case. |
| 13:49.22 | jasonwc | it will just refuse to downgrade |
| 13:49.35 | jasonwc | Also, if you flash IT skip the BIOS ROM |
| 13:49.36 | jasonwc | it's pointless |
| 13:49.38 | colo-work | Anthro, indeed. |
| 13:49.39 | jasonwc | it just slows bootup |
| 13:49.47 | colo-work | jasonwc, thanks for the tip |
| 13:49.52 | colo-work | sighs |
| 13:49.56 | colo-work | I hate hardware |
| 13:50.05 | colo-work | too bad that software is only slightly less bad |
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| 13:50.13 | jasonwc | colo-work, check this out - http://lime-technology.com/forum/index.php?topic=26774.0 |
| 13:50.18 | jasonwc | colo-work, it's actually relatively easy |
| 13:50.26 | jasonwc | colo-work, one more thing...try with a card from a non-production machine |
| 13:50.45 | jasonwc | colo-work, if you have a new UEFI motherboard you'll need the EFI tool |
| 13:50.47 | colo-work | we don't have a second machine with that card. the others all have LSI30xx-based HBAs |
| 13:50.53 | jasonwc | Many motherboards DO NOT WORK properly with the EFI tool |
| 13:51.09 | jasonwc | Does the motherboard have an EFI or regular BIOS? |
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| 13:51.58 | colo-work | jasonwc, the latter. I flashed that card from IR P07 to IT P20 already |
| 13:52.07 | colo-work | so I guess I'll get it to load IT P19 somehow |
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| 13:52.45 | colo-work | A Fail event had been detected on md device /dev/md0. |
| 13:52.49 | colo-work | *sigh* |
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| 13:53.31 | jasonwc | colo-work, if you can do everything from linux it doesn't matter. It's just that the EFI tool is picky about motherboards. It wouldn't work from my Asus server mobo. |
| 13:53.44 | colo-work | I see. |
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| 13:54.21 | jasonwc | colo-work, so, you're having the same problem I was? |
| 13:54.23 | jasonwc | Where was this posted? |
| 13:54.44 | colo-work | jasonwc, it's a Debian irc channel log that I found |
| 13:55.08 | colo-work | and yes, I guess that's boiling down to the same problem that you had |
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| 13:55.58 | jasonwc | colo-work, Yeah, Several others reported issues with P20 on #zfsonlinux |
| 13:56.08 | colo-work | mhm |
| 13:56.13 | jasonwc | I actually upgraded to the LSI after seeing data corruption on 2 supermicro marvel based SASL2P |
| 13:56.21 | jasonwc | now I have 3 LSI's all of which work well |
| 13:56.25 | jasonwc | no more checksum errors |
| 13:56.25 | colo-work | is the general consensus to go for P17 or P19, do you know? |
| 13:56.39 | jasonwc | either should be fine |
| 13:56.53 | jasonwc | P17 might be better |
| 13:57.04 | jasonwc | but neither gave me grief |
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| 13:59.36 | jasonwc | colo-work, I checked -I'm on P17 |
| 13:59.51 | jasonwc | I've got two Rev 3 and one Rev 2 controllers |
| 13:59.57 | jasonwc | 01:00.0 Serial Attached SCSI controller: LSI Logic / Symbios Logic SAS2008 PCI-Express Fusion-MPT SAS-2 [Falcon] (rev 03) |
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| 14:05.32 | rommel092079 | Good day. I have this hp server under raid config. Then i used ext4 filesystem. My question is, if one of the disks fail and i can hotswap the disk, would it automatically use the ext4 filesystem or any filesystem being used? |
| 14:06.54 | SynrGy | i think you've misunderstood what RAID is |
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| 14:07.39 | SynrGy | it's a lower level abstraction than filesystem. RAID doesn't care what filesystem you have on it |
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| 14:08.26 | SynrGy | well, usually :) |
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| 14:08.56 | SynrGy | reads that ZFS and btrfs support RAID. that's strange. |
| 14:09.02 | rommel092079 | Yes i know. I am only concern for the reconstruction of data if the new disk is introduced in to the raid setup like raid 10 |
| 14:09.20 | mjt | what's strange about zfs & btrfs supporting raid? |
| 14:09.41 | SynrGy | nothing. just that i didn't know they actually had a raid implementation. |
| 14:10.18 | rommel092079 | If the reconstruction will be on same filesystem |
| 14:10.19 | SynrGy | "Some advanced file systems are designed to organize data across multiple storage devices directly (without needing the help of a third-party logical volume manager):" (wikipedia RAID article) and it goes on to list ZFS, GPFS, Btrfs |
| 14:10.44 | mjt | reconstruction of a block device can't be on a FILESYSTEM ;) |
| 14:10.59 | mjt | (unless it is a loop device which is a different thing) |
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| 14:11.40 | SynrGy | mjt: so the implication is i wouldn't use mdadm with ZFS or btrfs raid implementations? |
| 14:11.50 | mjt | implication? :) |
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| 14:12.10 | corepb | Corporation Ethernet Connection I218-V ** Uptime: 20h 6m 59s ** |
| 14:12.16 | corepb | Ups, sorry. |
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| 14:12.20 | mjt | they both carry their own raid impl, but you can use md raid just fine too. Maybe there's not much point in that. |
| 14:12.37 | SynrGy | i see. |
| 14:12.50 | Dagger | you really don't want to use mdadm (or hardware) RAID with ZFS |
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| 14:13.01 | SynrGy | it's on my todo to investigate advanced filesystems at some point. |
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| 14:13.21 | SynrGy | i've just never had a pressing reason to. |
| 14:13.26 | Dagger | ZFS can do things like determine *which* disk is corrupt, rather than just taking a guess. but it can't do that if you hide the multiple disks from it |
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| 14:13.29 | mjt | (I'd say you really don't want to use any hw raid at all, but that's another topic :) |
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| 14:16.45 | rommel092079 | Mjt, my os filesystem is sitting on my chosen hw raid like raid 10. Now if one disk fail and i hotswap new disk, so i guess the server will reconfigure it to raid 10. But what about the os filesystem? Does the reconstruction of data includes the os filesystem? |
| 14:17.02 | SynrGy | mjt: also from the same article "A layer that sits above any file system and provides parity protection to user data (e.g. RAID-F)" is surprising. |
| 14:17.15 | SynrGy | and contradicts my initial statement |
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| 14:28.30 | SAKUJ0 | where can i pastebin ~ 3MB? |
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| 14:28.44 | SAKUJ0 | (probably not the most convenient thing but easy right now) |
| 14:28.52 | SAKUJ0 | i suppose paste.debian.net only gives like 1-2MB? |
| 14:29.04 | SAKUJ0 | 150kb |
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| 14:29.58 | colo-work | jasonwc, my device: http://paste.debian.net/164716/ |
| 14:30.08 | colo-work | I'll have to wipe the ROM... |
| 14:30.10 | colo-work | *sigh* |
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| 14:31.34 | mjkr | does debian's version of freeradius 2.2.5 support tls 1.{1,2}? |
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| 14:32.02 | colo-work | jasonwc, P17 doesn't seem to be available on LSI's support site any more :/ |
| 14:32.54 | mjkr | i plan to set up eap-tls over eap-ttls on a windows client against a radius server run on debian, and given the late microsoft update for tls 1.1 and tls 1.2 support, i need to know if debian's packaged version support the latest tls |
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| 14:33.34 | mjkr | the complete version string is 2.2.5+dfsg-0.1~bpo70+1 |
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| 14:34.40 | mjkr | and someone kindly fix up http://changelogs.debian.net for tls... |
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| 14:35.20 | jasabella | hi there :) i'm baffled as to why i'm getting audio out in my laptop but no sound recording from the microphones |
| 14:36.10 | jasabella | why wont it detect my input? |
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| 14:41.05 | colo-work | jasonwc, any chance you got your P17 release zip still flying around somewhere? |
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| 14:44.10 | The_ringmaster | "/usr/share/pki/trust/" is where I add my certs so iceweasel can use them right? |
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| 14:47.32 | jasonwc | colo-work, download the package from here - http://lime-technology.com/forum/index.php?topic=26774.0 |
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| 14:48.05 | jasonwc | colo-work, it contains all the LSI tools, the firmware and ROM, as well as instructions for creating a USB bootable disk if you choose to go that route |
| 14:48.21 | jasonwc | if not you can try using sas2flash and the P17 firmware from there |
| 14:48.27 | colo-work | OK, I'll chekc that archive. I already got a suitable boot medium |
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| 14:49.05 | colo-work | a-ha. so I need a dropbox account to be able to download the file. |
| 14:49.14 | jasonwc | why? |
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| 14:49.19 | colo-work | turns out I don't, but I need to try twice. |
| 14:49.23 | colo-work | crazy world. |
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| 14:49.26 | jasonwc | oh, perhaps |
| 14:49.29 | jasonwc | odd |
| 14:49.55 | colo-work | jasonwc, thanks a bunch for your support and info :) |
| 14:50.05 | jasonwc | np, good luck |
| 14:50.06 | colo-work | I hope that P17 will finally work OK |
| 14:50.13 | colo-work | I'll flash the bastard next week |
| 14:50.22 | colo-work | scheduling a downtime for the machine is tedious |
| 14:50.26 | jasonwc | colo-work, I've been using P17 with 3 LSI cards and ZFS for months |
| 14:50.41 | colo-work | yeah, that's why I'll be using that EXACT rom release ;) |
| 14:50.46 | colo-work | what kernel version do you run it with? |
| 14:50.56 | colo-work | we're still on 3.2, and will keep it that way for some time still |
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| 14:51.36 | shay_shay | soundtoxin: for the first month of the new testing (stretch) there will be alot of broken things. this is because during the freeze for jessie all the new packages accumulate and are dumped on stretch all at once |
| 14:52.03 | shay_shay | soundtoxin: you have problems with backports? elaborate please? |
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| 14:53.12 | nmschult1 | I'm looking for a simple sys-tray application for volume control; preferrably PulseAudio, but ALSA will work too. I'm using i3 as my WM. |
| 14:54.15 | shay_shay | systemtray? i3bar or tint2? or something else |
| 14:54.26 | nmschult1 | i3bar at the moment. |
| 14:54.35 | nmschult1 | I was unaware it mattered? |
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| 14:54.59 | nmschult1 | s/I was unaware it mattered/Does it matter/ |
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| 14:58.48 | shay_shay | nmschult1: you need to get the pa mixer applet for gtk2 DEs |
| 14:59.08 | shay_shay | as would be found on mate,xfce, or lxde |
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| 15:06.18 | nmschult1 | shay_shay: much thanks |
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| 15:16.07 | nmschult1 | shay_shay: xfce4-mixer is not a tray, FYI. |
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| 15:16.49 | jelly | it's a panel widget afair |
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| 15:20.22 | nmschult1 | hmm... I guess xfce4-mixer is no good then? i3bar works w/ GTK2 protos, and I guess xfce4-mixer doesn't do the deed. |
| 15:20.24 | shay_shay | Ah |
| 15:20.44 | shay_shay | Well I was just generalizing no need to correct me |
| 15:20.46 | nmschult1 | I see online that there's an xfce4-panel-plugin-mixer, but it's not available in sid. |
| 15:20.50 | nmschult1 | No, just FYI is all. |
| 15:22.27 | shay_shay | :) |
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| 15:39.50 | jasonwc | colo-work, I'm using 3.16 |
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| 15:40.04 | jasonwc | colo-work, 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-amd64 |
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| 15:49.10 | damarusama | M#I want to download a bare bone debian, to install myself X and openbox |
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| 15:49.24 | damarusama | where would I find that bare bone version |
| 15:49.59 | nmschult1 | damarusama: http://debian.org |
| 15:50.18 | nmschult1 | The basic installation will let you choose which type of installation you want to do. |
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| 15:51.00 | damarusama | ho - so it won't install Xserver or any WM ? I guess it's beena while I've installed debian ;) |
| 15:51.03 | damarusama | thanks |
| 15:52.17 | nmschult1 | You have to tell it not to, but I believe you can choose not to. |
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| 15:52.55 | damarusama | M#ok I 'll go with the net install - last time I've installed there wasn't a place to choose the packages |
| 15:53.20 | damarusama | I want to build a debian with openbox |
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| 15:54.29 | nmschult1 | damarusama: see chapter 3 of the debian installation manual |
| 15:54.32 | nmschult1 | look for "tasksel" |
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| 15:55.21 | nmschult1 | damarusama: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch03s01.html.en |
| 15:55.56 | damarusama | thanks |
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| 15:56.44 | SAKUJ0 | what other info can i supply in a bug report other than uname -r, policy, relevant policies, /etc/systemd/system/name.service, limit, /proc/cpuinfo, free -h, pstree and ps -aux? |
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| 15:56.55 | SAKUJ0 | debugging mono crashes SIGSEV SIGABRT etc |
| 15:56.59 | nmschult1 | Chapter 6 is useful too; see 6.3.4 and 6.3.5 -- damarusama |
| 15:57.06 | SAKUJ0 | got 9 of them over the last 2 months |
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| 15:58.07 | SAKUJ0 | i meant uname -a |
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| 15:58.51 | csc` | Hi, I was in here a few days ago and was having difficulties updating the Main wheezy repository with apt due to a 404 error. I originally thought it was the fault of the tether and reobtained cable internet recently but the problem still occurs |
| 15:59.10 | csc` | or a week or so, rather. |
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| 16:03.57 | Walex | csc`: a Debian repo is just a web site, mirrored in a lot of places. If you can open it with your browser, fine. Else try another mirror. |
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| 16:08.05 | csc` | Walex, that's the thing, themill was helping me last time. The file is there, apt just can't retrieve it for whatever reasoning. |
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| 16:08.20 | csc` | and it didn't matter what mirror I tried |
| 16:08.24 | Walex | csc`: how do you that "The file is there"? |
| 16:08.30 | Walex | csc`: how do you know that "The file is there"? |
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| 16:09.08 | Walex | csc`: also the fields that you give in '/etc/apt/source.list' have to be exactly the right ones. |
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| 16:09.30 | Walex | whois csc` |
| 16:09.37 | csc` | tried defaults, tried what dpkg provided, tried quite a bit of that. |
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| 16:10.02 | Walex | csc`: in which part of the world are you? |
| 16:10.17 | Walex | csc`: and what is the exact line that you get as an error? |
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| 16:10.45 | Walex | csc`: also have you tried accessing the repo with your browser and check whether the file is there or not? |
| 16:11.12 | csc` | Walex, W: Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/wheezy/updates/Release and W:http://http.debian.net/debian/dists/wheezy/main/binary-i386/Packages 404 Not Found |
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| 16:11.43 | csc` | and 'Packages' is not there, but Packages.gz and Packages.bz2 are there. |
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| 16:17.16 | Atomic_UqkP0 | hey I am a new Debian user, is there a membership I can join? |
| 16:17.37 | Atomic_UqkP0 | I love Debian 8 beta, currently I use XP |
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| 16:18.27 | csc` | a membership? |
| 16:18.48 | Atomic_UqkP0 | like some foundation have |
| 16:18.52 | NoImNotNineVolt | https://www.debian.org/donations |
| 16:18.58 | NoImNotNineVolt | ;) |
| 16:19.01 | Atomic_UqkP0 | we go online and pau and you send stickers |
| 16:19.50 | NoImNotNineVolt | https://www.debian.org/misc/merchandise |
| 16:20.28 | NoImNotNineVolt | (that last page needs to be fixed. it's totally NOT alphabetical.) |
| 16:20.38 | csc` | lol |
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| 16:21.30 | NoImNotNineVolt | veni, vidi, veni iterum. |
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| 16:21.55 | Atomic_UqkP0 | I want stickers and tee |
| 16:22.01 | Atomic_UqkP0 | where to buy? |
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| 16:22.41 | NoImNotNineVolt | at least four vendors on that page sell both t-shirts and stickers. |
| 16:23.48 | Atomic_UqkP0 | which one ship worldwide? |
| 16:23.57 | NoImNotNineVolt | ... |
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| 16:24.07 | NoImNotNineVolt | you want me to place the order for you also? |
| 16:24.29 | csc` | NoImNotNineVolt, that would be wonderful. Thanks. |
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| 16:27.09 | Atomic_UqkP0 | is Debian in conflicts with Fsf? |
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| 16:30.45 | blackflow | Atomic_UqkP0: why would you think it is? |
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| 16:38.08 | jhutchins | Atomic_UqkP0: https://www.debian.org/misc/merchandise |
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| 16:47.16 | Walex | csc`: works for me: http://paste.debian.net/164745/ |
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| 16:47.47 | Walex | csc`: as "deb http://ftp.ticklers.org/debian/ wheezy main" in '/etc/apt/sources/list' |
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| 16:50.00 | Atomic_UqkP0 | is Jessie release? |
| 16:50.08 | Atomic_UqkP0 | when is the ndate? |
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| 16:50.28 | Walex | csc`: and this is what I get with '--print-uris': http://paste.debian.net/164746/ |
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| 16:51.22 | z302 | Atomic_UqkP0, Jessie is not released yet, you can check status on debian.org. According to rumours I've read here and there, its probably due in April... but as usual, its released when its done |
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| 16:53.48 | csc` | Walex, http:/pastebin.com/UpB8e8cu |
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| 17:02.25 | Walex | csc`: http://paste.debian.net/164750/ is a fetch of all the URIs in your previous paste and they all fetch right except the 'Translation-en_US.bz2' ones that just don't exist. |
| 17:02.50 | csc` | so everything should work, right? |
| 17:03.05 | csc` | should I just grab a netinst image and reinstall? |
| 17:03.29 | Walex | csc`: try this: http://paste.debian.net/164751/ |
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| 17:04.20 | csc` | gotta run to work for a bit, but i'll give that a try later Walex. Appreciate the help |
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| 17:14.10 | littlebit | hi people, anyone here who configured dnsmasq? I need some help... |
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| 17:17.43 | jhutchins | littlebit: Did you check to see if there's a manpage for the conf file? |
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| 17:18.11 | jhutchins | littlebit: Debian specific configuration might be in /usr/share/dnsmasq*/README.Debian |
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| 17:18.23 | littlebit | jhutchins: I did, but I'm not sure if I understood it right. |
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| 17:26.12 | _riz_ | hey - I'm trying to install wheezy in a xen hvm domu, and it's not finding the "cd-rom" (which is, of course, emulated, and which it booted from) - any suggestions the best way to proceed? The stuff in the install manual seems to talk mostly about physical drives |
| 17:26.19 | _riz_ | I'm sure this is a simple thing I can do |
| 17:27.07 | jhutchins | _riz_: There's a boot image that looks for the install CD - which image do you have? |
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| 17:28.40 | _riz_ | jhutchins: debian-7.8.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso |
| 17:29.25 | _riz_ | which I would have assumed would try to install over the net. I also just used this iso to install under virtualbox |
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| 17:30.50 | _riz_ | if there's a better image, I'd be happy to try it |
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| 17:36.18 | jhutchins | _riz_: No, that should be ok. You've used the file before? You could check the md5sum and make sure it's not corrupt. |
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| 17:37.13 | jhutchins | _riz_: The other possibility is that somehow the installer doesn't have a driver for the XEN emulated drive. |
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| 17:38.32 | _riz_ | jhutchins: ah hah, it may be a corrupt image. let me re-copy |
| 17:38.52 | rockyiii | nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx and nvidia-glx-legacy-173xx not found in debian jessie ¿because they removed? |
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| 17:39.08 | rockyiii | :/ |
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| 17:54.55 | benedikt | my ~/.ssh/known_hosts seems to have forked itself to ~/.ssh/known_hosts.old (probably my own fault). However, as I am inspecting the files for differences I noticed one thing: |
| 17:55.44 | benedikt | one server that occurs in both files has the rsa key recorded in the .old file, while it has the ecdsa key recorded in the main file |
| 17:56.01 | benedikt | how could that have happened? |
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| 18:09.49 | sine` | what are the command line tools for checking whois and host etc |
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| 18:09.55 | sine` | they are part of a package |
| 18:10.09 | benedikt | dnsutils |
| 18:10.18 | sine` | thanks man |
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| 18:13.13 | jhutchins | benedikt: I'm guessing the default key type changed. |
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| 18:13.41 | kalin00b | I passed my LPIC 1 :DDD |
| 18:13.45 | benedikt | jhutchins: i installed the server in question less than a month ago and did not change the default key type. |
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| 18:17.00 | STMelon | quname -a |
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| 18:28.07 | warbaque | system hangs for few seconds every now and then. Any ideas? /var/log/messages -> https://bpaste.net/show/6a2414b875f7 |
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| 18:29.21 | crypt1d | sounds like ur hard drive is dying |
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| 18:29.44 | warbaque | crypt1d: that's what I feared |
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| 18:30.58 | crypt1d | I'd make a backup and run some diagnostics to confirm if I were you |
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| 18:31.22 | syntroPi | does anyone know where those "cleaning orphanted inode" msg flushing over the bootup screen gets loged? |
| 18:32.16 | syntroPi | I just want to know if any data was lost |
| 18:32.18 | acz32 | i can't get a Trash folder to show up in my file manager (thunar). i checked and there was no ~/.local/share/Trash, so i created one. any idea how to get the system to recognize it as trash? |
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| 18:32.45 | teraflop | acz32: what DE are you using? |
| 18:33.43 | acz32 | teraflop: no DE. i'm just using i3 |
| 18:33.54 | teraflop | acz32: uhm |
| 18:33.56 | benedikt | acz32: xfce will store it in ~/.Trash |
| 18:34.04 | benedikt | (also uses thunar) |
| 18:35.08 | acz32 | this is a new debian install (from netinst image). looks like a trash isn't created by default if you don't install a DE |
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| 18:36.02 | acz32 | i tried creating ~/.Trash. still nothing. only option is to permanently delete |
| 18:36.19 | teraflop | acz32: xfce do the trash stuff because the gvfs stuff |
| 18:36.20 | syntroPi | where do these fsck msg from bootup screen go? are there any logs from that? |
| 18:36.33 | NoImNotNineVolt | what is a trash folder? |
| 18:36.38 | NoImNotNineVolt | what's wrong with /dev/null? |
| 18:36.44 | benedikt | NoImNotNineVolt: something that leaked from windows |
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| 18:37.42 | acz32 | NoImNotNineVolt: do you really not know what a trash folder is? |
| 18:37.48 | teraflop | NoImNotNineVolt: you know what a trash folder is ... |
| 18:38.14 | greycat | it's something they use on foreign operating systems that have "folders" |
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| 18:38.37 | NoImNotNineVolt | i recently started using a mac, so i've become familiar with this annoyance called a "trash" |
| 18:39.18 | benedikt | acz32: do you have gvfs? |
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| 18:39.27 | NoImNotNineVolt | i'm not sure what benefit it provides, though. |
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| 18:39.52 | greycat | It allows incompetent users to "undo" a file deletion. |
| 18:39.57 | benedikt | NoImNotNineVolt: not everyone has the same preferences, so it's good that there is a choice, yes? |
| 18:40.20 | K-202 | Hi. Has Jessie up-to-date packages or few versions back similar as in Wheezy? (especially libraries like libc) |
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| 18:40.39 | greycat | Jessie has the versions that it had when it froze late last year. |
| 18:40.41 | acz32 | yes, but i installed it with --no-install-recommends. maybe i'll re-install and get dependencies |
| 18:40.45 | NoImNotNineVolt | wouldn't it make more sense to not delete files willy-nilly? |
| 18:40.49 | acz32 | i mean recommendations |
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| 18:40.57 | NoImNotNineVolt | it seems to be a solution looking for a problem. |
| 18:41.03 | NoImNotNineVolt | or is that something that people actually do? |
| 18:41.12 | benedikt | acz32: permissions for ~/.local/share/Trash ? and/or /usr/share/Trash |
| 18:41.20 | greycat | Are you really debating a feature that's been in Windows/MacOS since before half this channel was *born*? |
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| 18:41.30 | teraflop | acz32: you need gvfs stuff not sure what exact package |
| 18:41.41 | NoImNotNineVolt | i don't use windows, and i'm very new to mac os x. |
| 18:41.45 | teraflop | greycat: he is trolling |
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| 18:41.57 | K-202 | greycat: I can't understand this policy. Imagine that modern software need higher version of common libraries, old browsers have security bugs, old other programs have bugs, etc. |
| 18:41.58 | greycat | Well, that doesn't surprise me. I've /ignored him before for that. |
| 18:42.05 | NoImNotNineVolt | how would this trash folder even work, though? do you need a nonstandard rm? |
| 18:42.06 | bazhang | NoImNotNineVolt, take that somewhere else |
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| 18:42.45 | acz32 | teraflop: i just installed all the gvfs stuff |
| 18:42.46 | bazhang | NoImNotNineVolt, find a mac channel for that |
| 18:42.49 | greycat | K-202: newer versions of software are not always better. They sometimes introduce incompatible behavior, bugs, etc. That's the purpose of running a stable distribution -- stuff has been *tested* and is known to work. |
| 18:43.05 | acz32 | benedikt: drwxr-xr-x on ~/.local/share/Trash |
| 18:43.07 | teraflop | acz32: heh |
| 18:43.09 | greycat | If you want bleeding edge stuff, you're free to run unstable, or build it yourself. |
| 18:43.20 | acz32 | wow, tab completion works in here |
| 18:43.31 | greycat | tab completion is a feature of your IRC client, not the channel you're in |
| 18:43.44 | acz32 | neat |
| 18:43.46 | syntroPi | is there mount option so data never gets buffered and always immediately goes to disk? sync? im using ext4 |
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| 18:44.06 | crane | hmm... i'm trying to convert my physical server into a kvm guest. so i created a raw disk based on my physical disk sized. made an rsync of my hole content into the new raw disk but it seems that grub is having problems to boot |
| 18:44.41 | crane | all i see when booting is "grub" and then nothing more. i tryied now to reinstall grub but he is claiming about /boot/grub/stage1 is not readable |
| 18:44.54 | acz32 | i read online that someone's workaround was to make a thunar custom action, mv %f ~/.local/share/Trash |
| 18:44.56 | crane | any suggestions how to fix this? |
| 18:45.24 | jhutchins | crane: Did you do the full chroot/grub-install? |
| 18:45.38 | crane | jhutchins: yes |
| 18:45.48 | crane | jhutchins: i also mounted all nessasary devices |
| 18:45.48 | jhutchins | Which hypervisor are you using? |
| 18:45.51 | crane | kvm |
| 18:47.05 | K-202 | greycat: How about using multiple versions of the same library? Windows has WinSxS. How about Linux? For example many .deb packages couldn't be installed because of old libc library but upgrading it to newer version is risky because already installed apps may not work anymore. |
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| 18:47.44 | greycat | If you want multiple versions of libc, you either need to use a chroot, or LD_LIBRARY_PATH variables. The chroot is going to be a lot simpler in most cases. |
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| 18:48.03 | jhutchins | crane: There is a virt-p2v tool tha tcan help with this. |
| 18:48.11 | jhutchins | crane: http://serverfault.com/questions/434792/how-to-migrate-a-physical-system-to-a-kvm-virtual-server-with-only-network-acces |
| 18:48.37 | greycat | I don't know what you mean by ".deb packages couldn't be installed". Are you downloading .deb files by hand from random places on the Internet and trying to install them? That's... not a great idea. |
| 18:48.45 | NoImNotNineVolt | there's also the click package thing that the ubuntu folks are working on, but that has little-to-nothing to do with debian. |
| 18:48.47 | jhutchins | crane: Some of the redhat tool names are different, but they're the lead on kvm: https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/6/html/V2V_Guide/chap-V2V_Guide-P2V_Migration_Converting_Physical_Machines_to_Virtual_Machines.html |
| 18:48.56 | K-202 | greycat: random places because they aren't included in repos |
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| 18:49.12 | crane | jhutchins: thats plan b. i tryied to make a live migration |
| 18:49.14 | jhutchins | crane: I'll bet you did a file copy but didn't copy the boot sector of the physical disk. |
| 18:49.33 | greycat | If the software you're trying to install isn't available *in* Debian, and you're getting it from an upstream/external source, then the responsibility is all on you to make sure the versions of everything are compatible. |
| 18:49.38 | jhutchins | crane: Need to use dd to make the .img file. |
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| 18:49.51 | warbaque | crypt1d: how should I debug that culprit really is harddisk? |
| 18:49.54 | crane | jhutchins: i dumped the mbr but it seems that the size is wrong... |
| 18:50.08 | K-202 | Well, Wheezy is too old. Should I install Debian Jessie or its forks (e.g. Mint) to have up-to-date system and (almost) recent software? |
| 18:50.38 | greycat | Too old for what? |
| 18:50.47 | K-202 | You mentioned Debian Unstable but the official site warns that packages aren't verified (so dependencies might be not verified too) |
| 18:51.01 | crypt1d | warbaque, try smartmontools to run some diagnostics on your hard drive |
| 18:51.09 | K-202 | greycat: with old software/libraries |
| 18:51.17 | greycat | Again, too old for what? |
| 18:51.27 | greycat | What are you trying to run that you can't run? |
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| 18:51.36 | NoImNotNineVolt | guesses docker |
| 18:51.53 | blackflow | or php |
| 18:52.28 | K-202 | greycat: browsers, IMs, PHP, many apps that have higher dependencies |
| 18:52.42 | greycat | I can run the latest Firefox on Wheezy. I don't know which browser you mean. |
| 18:52.47 | jelly | K-202: I'm running latest chrome and firefox on wheezy. |
| 18:53.02 | jelly | also "latest" skype which is 1+ year old |
| 18:53.17 | warbaque | crypt1d: I just checked smartctl --all for both disks and they had no problems reported |
| 18:53.23 | greycat | And wheezy certainly *has* PHP, and I have PHP enabled on my wheezy web site.... |
| 18:53.25 | bazhang | mint is a fork? |
| 18:53.36 | K-202 | latest XUL Runner and Chromium need higher libc6 version so you have probably updated it |
| 18:53.37 | jelly | !tell bazhang about mint |
| 18:53.37 | greycat | Not that I would recommend PHP for any new projects. |
| 18:53.53 | NoImNotNineVolt | i'd argue that you're better off without php ;) |
| 18:53.59 | jelly | K-202: nope |
| 18:54.01 | crane | jhutchins: screw it... i'll do the dd way with ssh |
| 18:54.39 | jelly | K-202: and I didn't mean "iceweasel" or "chromium", I meant chrome, google's build, and firefox, mozilla's build |
| 18:55.01 | greycat | The standard firefox binary build from www.mozilla.com runs on wheezy, yes. I use that at home. |
| 18:55.05 | jelly | those two certainly know how to build binaries that work on debian 7 |
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| 18:55.49 | jelly | google-chrome even sets up apt correctly |
| 18:56.02 | crypt1d | warbaque, you may need to do more than that |
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| 18:56.23 | crypt1d | try running self assesment |
| 18:56.31 | crypt1d | check the man page for more info on how to use smartctl |
| 18:56.37 | greycat | At home I am also using google-chrome-stable version 41.0.2272.101-1 but I get that via apt-get, so I don't know if it's the latest upstream release. |
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| 18:57.23 | jelly | greycat: it is. you're just enjoying the repo their debian package set up when you first installed it |
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| 18:58.12 | jelly | greycat: actually. 41.0.2272.118-1 is available, upgrade! |
| 18:58.39 | greycat | Oh, good idea. I can do that before I get home to avoid the delay.... |
| 18:58.51 | acz32 | greycat: why firefox instead of iceweasel? |
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| 18:59.19 | greycat | *shrug* seemed like a good idea at the time? |
| 18:59.48 | greycat | of course that was back when a minor bugfix release with a new feature or two merited a +0.0.1 not a +1.0.0 |
| 18:59.50 | acz32 | does it auto-update or do you download from the website every month? |
| 19:00.04 | NoImNotNineVolt | is there a difference other than the branding? |
| 19:00.10 | greycat | I download and untar firefox by hand. |
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| 19:00.31 | greycat | I'm using it a lot less lately, though, because it has become so BIG and SLOW. |
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| 19:00.39 | jelly | acz32: it auto-updates if you unpack it as the same user that runs it |
| 19:00.39 | K-202 | Iceweasel has no hardware acceleration. Or it just doesn't work. but about:gpu doesn't work |
| 19:01.12 | NoImNotNineVolt | i thought it was just a fork of the latest firefox with the mozilla branding removed. |
| 19:01.20 | NoImNotNineVolt | i learned something new today. |
| 19:01.35 | jelly | it's the same code. It's definitely not the same build. |
| 19:01.51 | acz32 | it's not just branding. i think there are other tweaks |
| 19:01.51 | greycat | I wouldn't take K-202's statements as gospel. |
| 19:02.15 | jelly | never noticed any about:gpu in firefox |
| 19:02.21 | NoImNotNineVolt | i use midori and lynx mostly, so i'm fairly ignorant of all this stuff |
| 19:02.31 | acz32 | per-tab processes should be out in firefox by the end of the year. good for security |
| 19:02.31 | greycat | there is no about:gpu in my firefox either |
| 19:03.42 | acz32 | about:robots |
| 19:03.55 | greycat | that one works |
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| 19:04.05 | K-202 | One more issue is ugly font rendering in XFCE. I wonder if it's Debian-related issue or XFCE's. |
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| 19:04.44 | bazhang | what are his specs, did he even say |
| 19:05.18 | greycat | Fonts are a challenging issue in general. |
| 19:05.39 | acz32 | if you want nice fonts out of the box without doing any work you have to use ubuntu |
| 19:05.59 | bazhang | which uses mssoftcorefonts |
| 19:06.07 | K-202 | acz32: it's font smoothing issue, not font faces itself |
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| 19:06.17 | K-202 | and maybe in XFCE / GTK |
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| 19:06.31 | acz32 | it's not an XFCE thing |
| 19:06.41 | bazhang | what are the specs in the ugly fonted computer in question there |
| 19:07.38 | K-202 | bazhang: samsung r540 js01pl read specs online |
| 19:07.59 | K-202 | and latest Debian Wheezy :) |
| 19:08.03 | bazhang | season one episode one? |
| 19:08.12 | bazhang | is that a computer or a tv show |
| 19:08.33 | greycat | that's lowercase PL not P1, and episodes are e not p |
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| 19:09.00 | K-202 | if you google it' you should get a computer |
| 19:09.08 | bazhang | just a one liner from lshw would tell us here right now |
| 19:09.35 | teraflop | greycat: do you use the web browser for watching videos? |
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| 19:09.56 | bazhang | I am guessing integrated video low ram, slower cpu |
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| 19:10.02 | greycat | Very rarely. |
| 19:10.09 | teraflop | ah |
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| 19:10.27 | greycat | What are you asking about? The slowness of firefox? I do use a lot of greasemonkey scripts.... |
| 19:10.52 | K-202 | bazhang: wait, I will start the system and show line from lshw |
| 19:12.06 | jelly | K-202: did you try changing xfce4-settings-manager -> Appearance -> Font -> Rendering |
| 19:12.14 | teraflop | ^ |
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| 19:12.42 | cyber37 | hi, does the WNR3500Lv2 support ubuntu or debian ? |
| 19:12.51 | jelly | (antialias, full hinting) |
| 19:12.53 | K-202 | jelly: yeah, there are 4 options of font smoothing |
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| 19:12.57 | d2l | l |
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| 19:13.34 | K-202 | full hinting makes fonts ridiculous, part smoothing - almost good but still ugly |
| 19:13.46 | jelly | K-202: ridiculous? |
| 19:14.13 | jelly | it works well with my (still) favorite Tahoma |
| 19:14.18 | K-202 | some years ago I read that true type smoothing is patented by MS |
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| 19:14.26 | teraflop | K-202: pick other fonts |
| 19:15.18 | teraflop | K-202: you just need FT2_SUBPIXEL_HINTING=1 |
| 19:15.34 | jelly | subpixel is ymmv |
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| 19:15.54 | jelly | hates it and vastly prefers grayscale |
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| 19:16.32 | jelly | but that's subpixel rendering, not subpixel hinting, sorry |
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| 19:19.53 | warbaque | it's rather annoying that I can't really backup computer currently with rsync because then it throws lost interrupts every damn minute and pc renders quite unusable |
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| 19:20.06 | acz32 | infinality comes pretty highly recommended for fonts |
| 19:20.07 | warbaque | I need to use for the time being :D |
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| 19:20.24 | warbaque | s/use/use this/ |
| 19:23.03 | jelly | warbaque: quite unusable? Is your rsync destination a usb2 disk? |
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| 19:24.02 | warbaque | jelly: nah, I need this pc for playing music and it's doesn't serve its purpose if it pauses every <1minute while I rsync |
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| 19:24.29 | GPenguin | warbaque: limit the bandwidth that is used |
| 19:24.33 | warbaque | jelly: https://bpaste.net/show/6a2414b875f7 |
| 19:24.37 | jelly | warbaque: what is it then, network? |
| 19:25.21 | jelly | warbaque: which debian release is this |
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| 19:25.57 | warbaque | uname -a -> 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Sep 23 22:14:43 UTC 2013 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 19:26.31 | jelly | warbaque: lsb_release -sc |
| 19:26.49 | warbaque | squeeze |
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| 19:27.08 | warbaque | rather old and haven't really been touched for some time |
| 19:27.13 | jelly | warbaque: for a start, enable squeeze-lts repos and upgrade that kernel |
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| 19:27.16 | jelly | !squeeze-lts |
| 19:27.17 | dpkg | Volunteer-provided security support for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" will continue until 2016-02-06 for a limited set of packages for i386 and amd64. An appropriate line for your sources.list is «deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze-lts main». See also the «check-support-status» command from the debian-security-support package and https://wiki.debian.org/LTS for more information. #debian-lts on irc.oftc.net. |
| 19:27.21 | acz32 | i gave up on this trash issue. going to use an mv alias to do it |
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| 19:28.29 | greycat | If you MUST create a workaround to cripple your own ability to delete files, don't name it "rm". Name it "del" or "delete" or "remove" or "trash" or anything but "rm". |
| 19:28.30 | dariusb | Where would I find Debian PPAs for newer versions of OpenStack? How can I tell which OpenStack "stack" is baseline in Debian Jessie? |
| 19:28.39 | greycat | Otherwise you will develop a terrible, dangerous habit. |
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| 19:29.14 | warbaque | jelly: I'll try that |
| 19:29.47 | acz32 | greycat: i won't name it rm. i'm also making a graphical alias (custom right-click action) that executes an mv command |
| 19:29.54 | warbaque | that issue just appeared ~last night so I thought that my hard drives started failing |
| 19:29.56 | greycat | ,versions openstack-clients |
| 19:29.57 | judd | Package: openstack-clients on i386 -- jessie: 0.10; sid: 0.10 |
| 19:30.29 | greycat | has no idea what an openstack is, but that was one of the more normal-looking results from "apt-cache search --names-only open stack" |
| 19:30.43 | jelly | warbaque: hard drives, or cables, or power supply |
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| 19:31.55 | acz32 | greycat: i never rm anyways, because i like to run bleachbit and let it overwrite then delete things |
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| 19:38.43 | warbaque | jelly: that is what I suspected so, how would upgrading kernel help? |
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| 19:39.32 | jelly | warbaque: it might not, I suggested that before you said <warbaque> that issue just appeared ~last night |
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| 19:42.46 | crypt1d | warbaque, try cloning your harddrive with clonezilla or something |
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| 19:55.38 | jhutchins | warbaque: It could be the controller, so you could try accessing it on another system if you had one. |
| 19:55.48 | jhutchins | warbaque: Worth the time to reseat all cables. |
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| 19:56.13 | flexd | Hm, I have a weird issue where my screen keeps blinkingto black. |
| 19:56.38 | flexd | Are there any log files I can look at to figure out what is going on? I'm not seeing anything special in syslog/messages/Xorg.log |
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| 19:56.46 | jhutchins | warbaque: smartmontools can be a good way to get advanced warnings of disk hardware problems. |
| 19:56.47 | CrowX- | hi |
| 19:57.05 | greycat | flexd: loose monitor cable would be my first guess, if it's not a screen saver |
| 19:57.06 | CrowX- | what's the newest kernel debian supports? |
| 19:57.10 | CrowX- | or comes with |
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| 19:57.29 | lisco | 3.16.0-4-amd64 is jessie right now |
| 19:57.41 | CrowX- | lisco, do you have that kernel installed locally? |
| 19:57.42 | flexd | greycat: I guess it could be a screen saver, but I am still using the machine.. however I am in vim, so I am not using the mouse |
| 19:57.50 | lisco | crowx: yes |
| 19:58.04 | _riz_ | ok, is there any way to get the debian installer to not require a cdrom? It's just not seeing the emulated cdrom on this xen domu |
| 19:58.06 | flexd | greycat: and it's a displayport cable, it's attached properly |
| 19:58.11 | greycat | keyboard activity should prevent a screen saver kicking in, just like mouse activity |
| 19:58.45 | CrowX- | lisco, could you please pastebin your /lib/modules/`uname -r`/modules.alias file for me? |
| 19:58.56 | flexd | greycat: yeah I thought so |
| 19:58.58 | CrowX- | or upload it in any way |
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| 20:01.29 | lisco | crowx: sure, gimme a min |
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| 20:09.59 | Ooze | Alright I opened the top of the server, going to let it run until/if it shuts down |
| 20:10.28 | lisco | crowx: http://pastebin.com/BfTjdWHn |
| 20:10.50 | lisco | crowx: the file was too large for pastebin (non-pro) so I gzipped / base64 encoded it |
| 20:12.17 | lisco | CrowX-: sorry didn't see your name had a -, the above messages are probably not highlighted for you |
| 20:12.37 | jhutchins | lisco: Tab completion ftw. |
| 20:13.04 | lisco | jhutchins: thanks, didn't know irssi had tab completion :) |
| 20:14.02 | CrowX- | lisco, that's not it |
| 20:14.11 | CrowX- | are you sure you pastebinned that file? |
| 20:14.29 | lisco | CrowX-: did you decode/extract that file? |
| 20:14.35 | CrowX- | lisco, how? |
| 20:15.36 | greycat | modules.alias is 730k on wheezy, 890k on jessie (roughly) |
| 20:15.48 | lisco | CrowX-: I'll get ya the instructions in a sec |
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| 20:16.04 | lisco | greycat: yea, pastebin only allows for 512k so I had to compress it |
| 20:16.12 | CrowX- | what type of compression? |
| 20:16.18 | lisco | gzip |
| 20:16.25 | jhutchins | !paste |
| 20:16.26 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 20:17.30 | tentonbricks | preferred desktop environment? |
| 20:17.36 | greycat | none |
| 20:17.46 | tentonbricks | I've been back and forth between xfce and gnome... |
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| 20:18.20 | lisco | CrowX-: just paste that output into something like 'foo' and do the following: base64 -d foo.b64 | gunzip > foo |
| 20:18.29 | greycat | If there was one that's clearly best for everyone, then we wouldn't have so many choices. |
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| 20:18.40 | tentonbricks | clearly |
| 20:18.44 | tentonbricks | I was more asking for opinions |
| 20:18.52 | lisco | I like xfce personally |
| 20:18.56 | jhutchins | tentonbricks: kde3.5 |
| 20:19.22 | lisco | its nice and clean, not too hard on system resources and has a lot of the functionality that I enjoyed in gnome-2 |
| 20:19.27 | bazhang | ,v trinity |
| 20:19.28 | judd | Package: trinity on i386 -- sid: 1.3-1; jessie: 1.3-1 |
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| 20:19.36 | CrowX- | lisco, thank you |
| 20:19.37 | rainfyre | +1 xfce (but I actually use i3) |
| 20:19.43 | lisco | CrowX-: no problem |
| 20:20.00 | CrowX- | tentonbricks, kde of course :) |
| 20:20.41 | greycat | sees that xlockmore isn't in jessie either |
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| 20:24.53 | ScottE | tentonbricks: For me, no DE at all, just i3wm - there's nothing more productive than a tiling wm |
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| 20:25.35 | greycat | counts the votes for gnome... 0. |
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| 20:25.53 | GPenguin | i vote for Gnome3 |
| 20:25.59 | greycat | Awww. |
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| 20:28.49 | blackflow | me three. |
| 20:28.54 | kalin00b | i hate gnome 3 |
| 20:29.15 | kalin00b | gnome 2 <3 |
| 20:29.28 | lisco | I'm suprised noone said MATE/Cinnamon |
| 20:29.31 | Atomic_pO2mo | prefer cinnamon de here |
| 20:29.37 | lisco | there it is |
| 20:29.39 | lisco | :) |
| 20:29.42 | Atomic_pO2mo | lol |
| 20:30.20 | tentonbricks | ScottE: Yeah, I'm not that hardcore. |
| 20:30.41 | drith | still on gnome 2 debian lenny on one machine still the greatest ide |
| 20:30.50 | drith | everything works as expected |
| 20:31.11 | drith | have some trouble with xfce on the latest |
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| 20:34.04 | acz32 | i3 is nice but you have to agree with the developer's philosophy because he designs it primarily for himself it seems |
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| 20:35.22 | acz32 | no support for a vertical bar/panel, i3status can show CPU usage but not RAM, etc. |
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| 20:37.43 | kalin00b | lol @ aptitude moo |
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| 20:38.57 | adilix | hi all |
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| 20:39.27 | adilix | anyone can tell me in which package the command play is |
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| 20:40.11 | tentonbricks | I currently have xfce 4.8 installed. Seems it's the latest package for debian, and jessie is going to ship with 4.10. Is it (or will it be) possible to run the latest version of xfce without breaking debian? |
| 20:40.13 | mtn | adilix: http://packages.debian.org or install apt-file |
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| 20:40.54 | lisco | I'm currently running xfce 4.10 on jessie, runs very well, have not encountered any issues as of yet |
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| 20:47.11 | tentonbricks | lisco: I'm still on wheezy. I'm not brave enough to jump to anything that isn't stable. |
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| 20:48.04 | adilix | i found it thx cya bye bye |
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| 20:48.19 | lisco | tentonbricks: I almost exclusively run testing, I find it to be extremely well cared for, very rarely breaks. I'm running it on about 9 systems currently (but would not run it for business-critical) |
| 20:48.35 | tytan | I just installed Debian Wheezy with software RAID1. The HDDs makes heartbeat like noises while running |
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| 20:49.47 | tentonbricks | I'm just now coming back to linux. The last time I had a linux box, it was running slack 10 back in 2004. |
| 20:50.06 | lisco | Welcome back |
| 20:50.07 | tentonbricks | So I'm going into this with baby steps. |
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| 20:50.38 | tentonbricks | staying stable for the time being. |
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| 20:51.15 | tentonbricks | took some bailing wire and a prayer to get the wifi working on this inspiron 1525, though. I'm still not sure how I did it. |
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| 21:00.07 | SuperJohnny | ok so I need help. I renamed a user directory as it didn't coincide with the username change I made. Now Debian boots up and won't even allow me to stop it with ctrl, alt, F1 or any other F key to stop it from trying to boot into the GUI. The screen flashes and it won't let me do anything. |
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| 21:00.47 | jhutchins | SuperJohnny: Boot in single user mode and fix it in /etc/passwd |
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| 21:02.19 | SuperJohnny | jhutchins, I don't even have a screen that allows me to choose anything. Not even recovery mode. |
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| 21:02.57 | jhutchins | SuperJohnny: Did you disable the grub menu? |
| 21:03.13 | jhutchins | SuperJohnny: esc in grub is what you want. |
| 21:03.26 | jhutchins | SuperJohnny: Failing that, boot a live image. |
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| 21:04.06 | SuperJohnny | ok |
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| 21:06.37 | SuperJohnny | ok I hit esc got into grub command mode |
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| 21:07.51 | hanasaki | what is needed to play an AMR sound file? |
| 21:07.59 | Bielecki | Hi guys. I have VPS with 128 MB swap (on /dev/null), and I want to resize it, but I can't swapoff it... It gives me "swapoff: Not superuser.", even I'm root... What can I do? |
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| 21:09.05 | jhutchins | Bielecki: What makes you think you have swap on /dev/nul? |
| 21:09.24 | frostschutz | Bielecki, maybe it's not a real vps, just one of those where you aren't really root |
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| 21:10.39 | Bielecki | jhutchins: because when I type "swapoff -av" it gives me output "swapoff on /dev/null" and "swapoff: Not superuser." |
| 21:11.12 | blackflow | frostschutz: you probably mean openvz or an other kernel-level virtualization, but that's still a real Virtual Private Server. |
| 21:11.23 | Bielecki | frostschutz: I bought it from OVH... Do you think it's possible? |
| 21:12.11 | frostschutz | Bielecki, does it let you install your own custom kernel? another possibility would be a strange swap entry in the fstab |
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| 21:13.52 | blackflow | Bielecki: their "Classic" line is openvz and you probably can't modify swap |
| 21:14.18 | Bielecki | frostschutz: I didn't needed to upload my kernel, I just choosed Debian 7 from available kernels. In fstab there's no entry of /dev/null swap |
| 21:14.53 | frostschutz | Bielecki, right, well, there you have it |
| 21:15.09 | Bielecki | blackflow: really?... prevously I had VPS on Digital Ocean, and it worked fine... I could modify what I wanted. |
| 21:15.10 | SuperJohnny | thanx jhutchins that got me to where I could do a clonezilla restore |
| 21:15.18 | Busserl_ | Is it possible to see the free buffers/cache value from free inside top or htop? |
| 21:15.21 | blackflow | Bielecki: DO is not openvz |
| 21:15.22 | SuperJohnny | unfortunately I have to do a lot of work over :( |
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| 21:17.12 | Bielecki | so I can't do nothing about swap size? it's ridiculous... |
| 21:17.35 | blackflow | Bielecki: Well you get what you pay for. |
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| 21:18.12 | antion | hey guys, i have a question also related to VPS use, how would you go about making a backup of everything on the box so i could revert to it at any point? whats the simplest way to do this? (few clicks solution) |
| 21:18.35 | antion | just transfer all the files? |
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| 21:18.45 | jhutchins | antion: rsync |
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| 21:19.15 | srg | antion: Your VPS provider may offer "snapshots" which would be better/faster/easier. |
| 21:19.19 | srg | Mine do. |
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| 21:19.22 | antion | just rsync everything ? |
| 21:19.25 | jhutchins | antion: Remember that you'll have to have the VPS running, on the network, and able to receive ssh/rsync connections to restore it. |
| 21:19.27 | antion | ah hmm lets see |
| 21:19.27 | blackflow | don't trust your provider's bakckup |
| 21:19.38 | swordsmanz | antion i concour with rsync or you could cron an sftp download of your working directorys |
| 21:19.39 | srg | blackflow: One can move it offsite. |
| 21:20.09 | antion | but i want not only working directories, also all the system settings/files etc basically an image |
| 21:20.19 | blackflow | antion: then rsync the whole root |
| 21:20.30 | blackflow | exclude stuff like /dev /sys /proc etc... |
| 21:20.40 | jhutchins | antion: You'll want to exclude /proc /sys and /dev though. |
| 21:20.49 | antion | so when i setup another VPS somewhere else which is also deb squeeze i can rsync everything over there? |
| 21:20.57 | antion | and it will work? |
| 21:21.12 | jhutchins | antion: That's probably not a good way to go about it. |
| 21:21.20 | swordsmanz | antion get an out of the box clustering/load balanceing package |
| 21:21.29 | blackflow | yes with two exceptions, 1.) you have to set up teh bootloader on that other machine, and reconfigure network (and whatever else) |
| 21:21.34 | jhutchins | antion: You want to copy your data, configure the new server like the old one, and transfer the data. |
| 21:21.51 | antion | all that, but without the hassle |
| 21:22.22 | jhutchins | antion: Hassle is inherent in what you're trying to do if you want it to work. |
| 21:22.35 | car | antion: maybe the provider has an snapshot feature like srg mentioned. thats what your after |
| 21:22.44 | jhutchins | !apt-clone |
| 21:22.45 | dpkg | apt-clone is, like, a utility to clone/restore the packages on an apt-based system. It will save/restore the packages, sources.list, keyring and automatic-installed states. It can also save/restore no longer downloadable packages using <dpkg-repack>. |
| 21:22.46 | swordsmanz | antion loadbalanceieng/clustering package , with let you move files/processed between servers and manage where they are redundent too and balance dns requests to speed the system up |
| 21:23.07 | antion | how do seedbox hosters do this? they aint configging all their servers anew right? |
| 21:23.09 | jhutchins | antion: What if the new VPS is on a different hypervisor? Different version? Different virtual hardware? |
| 21:23.19 | antion | swordsmanz: wow that sounds way over the top in terms of installation |
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| 21:23.36 | blackflow | jhutchins: what about it? this ain't windows that requires floppies with drivers |
| 21:23.47 | jhutchins | swordsmanz: That's really not a solution for moving to a new VPS. |
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| 21:24.07 | srg | antion: I keep common configuration files for my systems in a git repo so I: 1. Have multiple copies of it on multiple servers in each repo and 2. Can very quickly restore it on a new server (git clone && cp the file) |
| 21:24.19 | antion | blackflow: i would think it can actually break a lot lol |
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| 21:24.25 | antion | will look if there is a snapshot system |
| 21:24.30 | swordsmanz | jhutchins he wants to be able to manage backups and move the load between servers |
| 21:24.34 | jhutchins | antion: If you just blast your current provider's image over a new provider's server you're probably going to b0rk things. |
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| 21:24.37 | swordsmanz | o-o |
| 21:24.37 | srg | Like my daemon config files and homedir profiels and such. |
| 21:24.40 | antion | i dont care about load swordsmanz |
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| 21:24.59 | blackflow | naah. I've moved a ton of roots from one baremetal/vps machine to another, there's nothing to it, you just prepare the target wrt disk partitions, rync the root and update the config and grub |
| 21:25.25 | antion | srg that sounds nice, but still like cumbersome micromanagement |
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| 21:26.09 | antion | blackflow: ok cool, will dabble around with rsync |
| 21:26.14 | swordsmanz | antion if you want to move something from one sever to another , you care about load |
| 21:26.20 | srg | antion: The way I use it, it's mostly "set it and forget it." My configs don't change often (for nginx, iptables, pgsql, postfix, dovecot, login profile scripts, bashrc, etc) |
| 21:26.23 | antion | might setup a VM here and rsync my server to it |
| 21:26.28 | jhutchins | antion: You'll find some good tutorials on rsync backup on the web. |
| 21:26.28 | antion | see what giveth |
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| 21:27.25 | antion | mhm im doing normal workfolder backups, but a windows pulls it off the VPS, so i use robotcopy, same thing i guess |
| 21:27.37 | jhutchins | blackflow: Because you haven't had a problem doesn't mean there aren't a lot of things that can go wrong, it just means you don't know about them (yet). |
| 21:28.08 | Bielecki | antion: I recommend Digital Ocean tutorials, I used them |
| 21:28.10 | antion | but i want a simple solution, like storing a rescue point which i can get back to if i fuck up my vps ;) |
| 21:28.12 | blackflow | jhutchins: then by the extension of your logic, the debian installer would never work, which is basically doing the same - copying files over and setting up the config |
| 21:29.01 | jhutchins | blackflow: Installation doesn't simply copy files, it installs packages, which are usually auto-configured for the environment, and from dependency-resolved repositories. |
| 21:29.28 | antion | i mean, if i do this, i will go squeeze -> squeeze |
| 21:29.30 | swordsmanz | antion just use puppet or spacewalk or the like |
| 21:30.00 | antion | dont know those will check |
| 21:30.24 | antion | thx for the pointers guys |
| 21:30.32 | jhutchins | antion: They are useful when managing significant numbers of systems - like more than a dozen. |
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| 21:30.50 | antion | sounds awesome harharhar, i wish |
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| 21:31.32 | blackflow | jhutchins: that's all related to packages and files. we're talking about changed hardware which is the domain of auto-configurable kernel and modules. maybe firmware. |
| 21:31.49 | jhutchins | antion: In my environment, we're not exactly sure how many servers there are. It's somewhere between 300 and 700. |
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| 21:32.22 | antion | lol you are not sure? |
| 21:32.31 | jhutchins | antion: Right. |
| 21:32.32 | antion | u can probably check somewhere xD |
| 21:32.41 | jhutchins | antion: We're working on it. |
| 21:32.49 | antion | cloud? |
| 21:32.59 | antion | thing? |
| 21:33.06 | jhutchins | antion: Sort of our own cloud. ~3k websites. |
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| 21:33.55 | antion | hosting company? |
| 21:34.00 | jhutchins | antion: We grew faster than our monitoring/management/inventory systems did. |
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| 21:34.15 | jhutchins | antion: More of a publishing company. |
| 21:34.18 | antion | squarespace? :D |
| 21:34.21 | antion | aw |
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| 21:34.58 | antion | sounds like it ^^ |
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| 21:51.34 | High_Priest | hi everybody, anyone here using transmission? |
| 21:51.41 | dvs | !ask |
| 21:51.41 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 21:52.11 | High_Priest | I'm struggling to understand which config file I should use when I want to start it in deamon mode via init script |
| 21:52.27 | jhutchins | !transmission |
| 21:52.28 | dpkg | Transmission is an open source, cross-platform and lightweight <BitTorrent> client. http://wiki.debian.org/BitTorrent/Transmission http://www.transmissionbt.com/ #transmission on irc.freenode.net. |
| 21:52.40 | High_Priest | I have configured everything in /etc/default/transmission-daemon and also init script looks fine |
| 21:53.16 | High_Priest | but when I start it via init script - it looks like it invokes some different config file instead of one listed under /etc/default/transmission-daemon |
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| 21:54.11 | High_Priest | their channel is dead at this moment so I was hoping someone is using it and had this issue before |
| 21:54.22 | antion | maybe you have another config script in your home directory? |
| 21:54.30 | csc` | ^- |
| 21:54.36 | somiaj | High_Priest: usually config scripts aren't put in /etc/defaults/ -- those are just partial variables that are used in a config script. |
| 21:54.43 | antion | thats how rtorrent does it dont know transmission |
| 21:55.07 | somiaj | though I don't know transmission that well, but I would only expect default vars to be configured in /etc/default/ and the actual config file to be elsewhere. |
| 21:55.30 | High_Priest | somiaj, that's correct, it is elsewhere |
| 21:55.39 | High_Priest | here is my line from the default vars: CONFIG_DIR="/home/osmc/.config/transmission-daemon/" |
| 21:56.01 | High_Priest | if I start the transmission-daemon with -g and the same path - it works well |
| 21:56.11 | High_Priest | if I start it from init script - it doesn't |
| 21:56.40 | antion | do you pass -g in the init script? |
| 21:56.41 | dvs | High_Priest: A script in an init does not have a PATH by default |
| 21:57.11 | High_Priest | antion, not -g per se, but --config-dir instead |
| 21:57.15 | somiaj | High_Priest: init scripts won't know what user to use as default. If you use cron @reboot (as the user) then the script will run as the user. But init scripts are usually run as root and my be using /root or some other locaiton. |
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| 21:58.14 | High_Priest | okay, let me give you my init and default files |
| 21:58.22 | High_Priest | pastebin or something else? |
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| 21:58.32 | italo | ciao |
| 21:58.35 | dvs | paste.debian.net |
| 21:58.40 | italo | !list |
| 21:58.40 | dpkg | italo: vedi http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 21:59.47 | High_Priest | init script: http://paste.debian.net/164809/ |
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| 22:00.29 | High_Priest | defaults file: http://paste.debian.net/164810/ |
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| 22:01.28 | blackflow | what will happen with /etc/defaults for Jessie? gone with the wind? |
| 22:02.58 | antion | what do the logs say? |
| 22:03.56 | jhutchins | blackflow: Unlikely. |
| 22:04.35 | blackflow | jhutchins: but functionality of /etc/default files will be confined to systemd unit files, no? |
| 22:04.47 | High_Priest | so any ideas what am I doing wrong? cause I don't see anything wrong |
| 22:05.27 | jhutchins | blackflow: It's complicated. You can read up on the dev mailing lists for more detail, and do an install to see what it actually looks like. |
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| 22:06.54 | blackflow | jhutchins: yeah, I guess that's the best thing to do. |
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| 22:13.35 | phantomcircuit | i just did an apt-get source and received a gpgv warning/error |
| 22:13.45 | phantomcircuit | that wasn't treated as fatal... |
| 22:13.54 | phantomcircuit | http://0bin.net/paste/9UNcqOyD3NfBuZUT#tvZ3neeMTKRWwE40dzLCMN8s-J3cLPsCUR2g+/lMLRx |
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| 22:20.22 | petn-randall | phantomcircuit: The repo signature is fine, that's the personal signature of the kernel maintainer, Ben Hutchings. |
| 22:20.39 | petn-randall | (btw, you should always paste the full output) |
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| 22:21.50 | phantomcircuit | petn-randall, ah ok |
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| 22:38.28 | phantomcircuit | is /tmp cleared on shutdown? |
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| 22:41.02 | cafuego | phantomcircuit: depends |
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| 22:41.44 | cafuego | phantomcircuit: If your /tmp is the standard (these days) tmpfs mount (ramdisk) then yes, as soon as it's unmounted, its contents are gone. |
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| 22:42.01 | cafuego | phantomcircuit: If your /tmp is a normal partition, then no. |
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| 22:43.26 | tytan | Hey, guys. mdadm keeps syncing my RAID even after formatting and reinstalling debian. How do I stop that? :( |
| 22:44.02 | phantomcircuit | cafuego, it seems the default flipped back to being DEVTMP=no at some point |
| 22:44.06 | cafuego | tytan: make it complete |
| 22:44.15 | phantomcircuit | im running wheezy and that was definitely the default |
| 22:44.18 | cafuego | s/make/let/ |
| 22:44.38 | tytan | cafuego takes about 50000 minutes |
| 22:44.50 | DHowett | 50,000 minutes... but at a low I/O cost |
| 22:44.56 | cafuego | tytan: You can probably speed that up a bit |
| 22:45.05 | tytan | a bit? |
| 22:45.07 | DHowett | what caused it to start to resync? |
| 22:45.14 | tytan | Me |
| 22:45.22 | cafuego | DHowett: there's a monthly cron task |
| 22:45.25 | tytan | I was playing around with it |
| 22:45.36 | DHowett | cafuego: that's a monthly scan, though, no? |
| 22:45.50 | cafuego | tytan: uset sysctl to set dev.raid.speed_limit_min and dev.raid.speed_limit_max |
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| 22:45.59 | phantomcircuit | 50000 minutes is > 30 days |
| 22:46.03 | phantomcircuit | so it would never finish |
| 22:46.22 | tytan | I seriously can't stop it? |
| 22:46.28 | DHowett | I'd hope that you couldn't kick off a scan/resync while one was in progress |
| 22:46.36 | DHowett | so the automatic one would simply be skipped |
| 22:46.41 | tytan | Why does it still continue even after formatting the drives and reinstalling the os? |
| 22:46.41 | cafuego | tytan: You don't WANT to stop a sync |
| 22:47.18 | cafuego | tytan: It'll do a sync whenever the data on disk indicates the elements of the array are out of sync |
| 22:47.19 | DHowett | is this an array you just created? |
| 22:47.23 | mjt | shouldn't it be able to recover in case of power outage or something? |
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| 22:47.38 | tytan | DHowettyes |
| 22:47.47 | DHowett | it needs to sync to ensure that the data on disk is consistent |
| 22:47.48 | tytan | DHowett yes |
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| 22:48.43 | tytan | I formatted both drives in gparted with linux mint and afterwards I reinstalled a clean debian 7.8 and it somehow does it again |
| 22:49.01 | DHowett | imagine this: you create a shiny new RAID-1, and it doesn't sync. which drive (which could have contained completely random data) wins for blocks that haven't been written? |
| 22:49.07 | phantomcircuit | tytan, it's non trivial to destroy an mdadm array |
| 22:49.09 | cafuego | tytan: Yep. When you create the array it does a sync, afaik. |
| 22:49.12 | DHowett | I realize that it seems like a useless question: the non-written blocks don't *need* to be in sync |
| 22:49.22 | phantomcircuit | the metadata stuff is stored in multiple places on the disk |
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| 22:49.33 | cafuego | tytan: and if you reboot before it's done it'll start all over again. |
| 22:49.34 | DHowett | but md wants to present a single cohesive device |
| 22:49.34 | mjt | phantomcircuit: that's wrong |
| 22:49.58 | mjt | phantomcircuit: it can be stored in one of 3 places, but it is stored in one |
| 22:50.01 | tytan | I want it to stop. I'm even willing to format the drives ... |
| 22:50.02 | cafuego | tytan: So to avoid that, give it more IO bandwidth, so it'll complete sooner. |
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| 22:50.14 | cafuego | tytan: Do you want to USE the raid array? |
| 22:50.14 | Njanta | please http://yhqz.oblogs.ru/180245460/2566850/ <3 |
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| 22:51.02 | tytan | cafuego I was planning on having a cool NAS with two 4TB drives |
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| 22:51.33 | phantomcircuit | mjt, ok you're right, but it's often written to the end of the device |
| 22:51.33 | tytan | cafuego I just want to get rid of it. I have no data on it. I want peace |
| 22:51.43 | phantomcircuit | which means formatting doesn't tend to erase the metadata |
| 22:51.55 | mjt | tytan: mdadm --stop /dev/mdXX |
| 22:51.58 | phantomcircuit | tytan, are you trying to destroy the array? |
| 22:52.11 | cafuego | tytan: If you want to use the drives in raid more, you're going to hav to put up with it until its done. |
| 22:52.34 | tytan | phantomcircuit yes if this helps. But the syncing array is / |
| 22:52.53 | phantomcircuit | tytan, then you dont want to destroy it |
| 22:52.54 | phantomcircuit | heh |
| 22:53.06 | mjt | tytan: in that case just fail the second drive |
| 22:53.15 | tytan | phantomcircuit I can easily reinstall debian |
| 22:53.16 | mjt | tytan: mdadm --fail /dev/mdXX /dev/sdbXX |
| 22:53.23 | phantomcircuit | tytan, probably you want to stop all other activity on the system and increate the sysctl's that cafuego pointed to |
| 22:53.44 | tytan | mjt what happens then? |
| 22:53.54 | mjt | it will stop resyncing |
| 22:54.00 | cafuego | mjt: you're not helping |
| 22:54.05 | mjt | heh |
| 22:54.24 | cafuego | tytan: If you want to use the disks as part of a raid array, you NEED to set though that resync. |
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| 22:54.31 | cafuego | tytan: In which case, make it faster. |
| 22:54.52 | mjt | if thats' a raid1 array when cafuego is wrong too |
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| 22:55.09 | tytan | cafuego I got that. But it will take very long :( |
| 22:55.14 | hamn | how can i install stdc++-dev? |
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| 22:55.26 | cafuego | tytan: So make it faster |
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| 22:55.39 | cafuego | tytan: By using those two sysctl keys I gave you |
| 22:55.41 | hamn | oops i meant libstdc++6-dbg |
| 22:55.46 | hamn | how can i install libstdc++6-dbg? |
| 22:55.48 | cafuego | tytan: Check what they are now, increase them |
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| 22:56.04 | hamn | i get the error "E: Package 'libstdc++6-dbg' has no installation candidate" |
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| 22:56.09 | tytan | cafuego 500 minutes to go |
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| 22:56.46 | srg | hamn: What version of debian? wheezy/stable? |
| 22:56.53 | hamn | wheezy |
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| 22:56.56 | cafuego | tytan: that's not so bad, is it? |
| 22:57.19 | tytan | cafuego Still bad but manageable |
| 22:57.46 | cafuego | tytan: This didn't sued to be a problem when disks were only 16GB ;-) |
| 22:58.16 | tytan | cafuego unfortunately md0 is 3TB |
| 22:58.32 | cafuego | Yeah I have a 2TB one that took forever |
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| 22:58.45 | mjt | gosh, guys, come on, why on hell you're resyncing a new raid1 array??? |
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| 22:59.14 | cafuego | and then I had to redo it because stupid-ass WD firmware |
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| 22:59.38 | srg | hamn: I think you have to choose a version specifically, like "libstdc++6-4.6-dbg" or "libstdc++6-4.7-dbg", 4.4 or 4.3 |
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| 22:59.59 | tytan | I started the computer with only one drive and restarted with two. Now it only sees on of the two partitions of md0. how do I get the second one back? :O |
| 23:00.07 | mjt | create it with --assume-clean option, and make a new filesystem on it. Everything which is written to will be consistent, everything which isn't writen doesn't matter. |
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| 23:00.27 | cafuego | tytan: You can madam --add the partition |
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| 23:00.51 | cafuego | tytan: Does the array list it as failed? |
| 23:01.09 | cafuego | How can it be resyncing if it failed? |
| 23:02.01 | tytan | that's new. I did all that whily chatting |
| 23:04.06 | tytan | I added it bACK. |
| 23:04.20 | tytan | Ok, I'll just let it run. Have a good night everyone ^^ |
| 23:05.19 | cafuego | tytan: You can check whether it's listed in /etc/mdadam.conf |
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| 23:07.02 | cafuego | Actually, /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf |
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| 23:08.09 | mjt | either one will work |
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| 23:19.18 | DHowett | "< mjt> gosh, guys, come on, why on hell you're resyncing a new raid1 array???" alas, a question to be raised with the maintainers of the md management suite ;) |
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| 23:21.10 | mjt | hides |
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| 23:23.49 | dvs | ban 'em |
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