| 00:00.16 | somiaj | ksx4system: debian does have an arm support. If you choose to run it you may get some help from #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net |
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| 00:01.00 | somiaj | But if you use raspbian you should respect our decision to not support derivatives. Our solutions may not work on derivatives as they do change things. After that you should take my advise and start looking though logs and at the LSB headers and see why it is failing to start at boot. It is looged. |
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| 00:01.48 | somiaj | sorry ment arm port. |
| 00:02.11 | ksx4system | somiaj, afaik there's still no proper armhf support |
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| 00:03.32 | somiaj | ksx4system: debian is volunteers, there is 'no proper support'. But as I said there is an irc channel for the arm port. https://www.debian.org/ports/arm/. There is documentation and there is a mailing list. |
| 00:04.32 | kalin00b | im well aware its his problem not the community, i have never had a problem i also know not to ask questions about my kali system in here |
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| 00:05.15 | kalin00b | i like the people here :) |
| 00:05.50 | GPenguin | likes back |
| 00:08.06 | somiaj | I should try to install debian on my pi, just not sure what I would do with it. |
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| 00:10.10 | GPenguin | RASPBIAN is no option? (sorry if i missed the conversation) |
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| 00:20.30 | koowgnojeel | How do I get higher version of Emacs ? |
| 00:20.42 | ectospasm | I have a problem with bash, and I haven't yet gotten a definitive answer in #bash: I'm trying to give a function multiple names, that reacts slightly differently depending on what name is used when it's called. This is to reduce typing on several Asterisk commands. Here's an example of what works in bash: http://paste.debian.net/164987/ |
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| 00:21.07 | marsjaninzmarsa | koowgnojeel: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 00:21.09 | marsjaninzmarsa | ? |
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| 00:21.46 | ectospasm | Though with that, I have to copy and paste the function code for every different name, e.g. function name1 { #code }, function name2 { #same code }, etc. |
| 00:22.08 | ectospasm | This will make updating the functions a pain if I ever need to add anything |
| 00:22.33 | ectospasm | zsh can do it, though sadly I can't use zsh on these Asterisk systems |
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| 00:24.17 | marsjaninzmarsa | ectospasm: umm, why not just use aliases to same script with different parameters? |
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| 00:25.01 | ectospasm | You can't refer to the alias name within the body of the alias, to my knowledge. << marsjaninzmarsa |
| 00:25.13 | ectospasm | hence the use of functions |
| 00:25.17 | ectospasm | See my pastebin |
| 00:25.28 | ectospasm | That works, I just have to duplicate it several times |
| 00:25.39 | ectospasm | ...and change the function name |
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| 00:27.00 | ectospasm | In zsh you can do this: function foo bar bif baf buf () { # function body } and all is dandy |
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| 00:39.12 | koowgnojeel | marsjaninzmarsa: Hi. Thanks. :) - I think Emacs 24.4 is not ready yet. |
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| 00:48.25 | shay_shay | Emacs |
| 00:48.53 | shay_shay | Does anyone even use emacs besides RMS and lisp programmers |
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| 00:50.31 | koowgnojeel | I love GNU/Linux. :) |
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| 00:52.42 | koowgnojeel | And people use/support/develop GNU/Linux. Many thanks to them. |
| 00:53.46 | dondelelcaro | shay_shay: lots of people do. /list #emacs. |
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| 01:03.02 | GPenguin | but to do IRC stuff from within an editor is for sure hardcore |
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| 01:04.02 | ryouma | GPenguin: perspective |
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| 01:16.13 | phix | dondelelcaro: you mean /list #vim right? :) |
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| 01:19.07 | phy1729 | GPenguin: IRC from telnet is hard core. IRC from your editor is using one program for too much imho |
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| 01:21.19 | zinx | phy1729: i IRC'd travelling across the country back in the late 90s or so, via windows telnet at public libraries usually. it's not as fun as it sounds. |
| 01:21.29 | phix | phy1729: using IRC in irssi via SSH too much?? |
| 01:21.49 | phix | windows telnet is the worst |
| 01:21.57 | zinx | agree |
| 01:22.04 | phy1729 | I agree telnet IRC sucks; hence IRC clients |
| 01:22.23 | phix | It couldn't handle ANSI colours or unicode or anything |
| 01:22.27 | phix | phy1729: no, just windows telnet |
| 01:22.32 | phix | putty <3 |
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| 01:22.47 | phy1729 | phix: have you seen teraterm and mobaxterm? |
| 01:22.54 | phix | nope |
| 01:23.13 | phy1729 | you should look them up; they're a bit nicer |
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| 01:24.30 | phix | I mostly use gnome-terminal |
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| 01:33.46 | neopsyche | helo |
| 01:34.10 | neopsyche | ne1hoe? |
| 01:34.43 | neopsyche | ??? |
| 01:35.05 | neopsyche | can anyone help explain to me compile from github? |
| 01:35.06 | phy1729 | neopsyche: you need to ask your question first |
| 01:35.10 | phy1729 | ah |
| 01:35.12 | neopsyche | I am downloading |
| 01:35.18 | neopsyche | xbmc |
| 01:35.28 | phy1729 | why not install via apt? |
| 01:35.35 | neopsyche | apt gives me v11 |
| 01:35.40 | neopsyche | eden, depreciated |
| 01:35.48 | neopsyche | need kodi |
| 01:36.20 | neopsyche | but not sure where this git is sending the file to.. it says sending to 'xbmc' folder.. which i have no idea where it is. |
| 01:36.29 | neopsyche | (Very limited space on this lil ol netbook) |
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| 01:36.54 | neopsyche | git clone -b Helix git://github.com/xbmc/xbmc.git |
| 01:36.55 | neopsyche | Cloning into 'xbmc'... |
| 01:36.55 | neopsyche | remote: Counting objects: 325053, done. |
| 01:37.59 | neopsyche | complication:. http://kodi.wiki/view/HOW-TO:Compile_Kodi_for_Debian_or_Ubuntu |
| 01:38.11 | neopsyche | what do i do wen the files ar finnished getting to my system? |
| 01:38.18 | neopsyche | Do i delete them after compile? |
| 01:38.44 | neopsyche | phy1729: any thoughts? |
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| 01:40.49 | neopsyche | I see it says its seems to be going to root folder |
| 01:40.56 | neopsyche | not sure where that is on this distro |
| 01:41.19 | GPenguin | root is in /root |
| 01:41.27 | neopsyche | ok. |
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| 01:41.51 | neopsyche | no files seem to be in there |
| 01:42.22 | neopsyche | files are in / |
| 01:42.34 | GPenguin | wow |
| 01:42.35 | neopsyche | it says to access teh folder is in cd xbmc |
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| 01:43.48 | neopsyche | wow |
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| 01:45.50 | GPenguin | you installed the long beard of dependencies already? |
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| 01:56.31 | neopsyche | GPenguin.. not yet |
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| 01:59.35 | neopsyche | Im on a slow connection in a developing nation.. +/- 1mbps |
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| 02:00.23 | neopsyche | Using a little netbook with an atom processor and 8gb SSD (slow) |
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| 02:03.27 | neopsyche | what a mission for xbmc |
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| 02:06.24 | GPenguin | yeah |
| 02:06.29 | neopsyche | Hmm. |
| 02:06.35 | neopsyche | Not debians fault. |
| 02:06.41 | GPenguin | cant you build on a bigger machine? |
| 02:07.10 | neopsyche | This one I drag around with me everywhere. Its a $99 netbook. Lol. |
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| 02:07.30 | GPenguin | :) |
| 02:07.43 | neopsyche | Sad. I know. Desperate times. |
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| 02:08.26 | GPenguin | i am thinking right now whether these build farms are available to users outside the project like ... the suse linux build farm |
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| 02:10.06 | GPenguin | like this: https://build.opensuse.org/ |
| 02:11.29 | neopsyche | Whew 99% finally. |
| 02:11.47 | neopsyche | Hmm.. now it says 'resolving deltas' |
| 02:12.08 | neopsyche | Is this going to fill my hard drive guys? |
| 02:12.13 | GPenguin | in git? |
| 02:12.16 | neopsyche | yes. |
| 02:12.24 | neopsyche | It just downloaded about 500MB |
| 02:12.24 | somiaj | GPenguin: can probably use any subitle linux os to build debian packages. Just use debootstrap and make a chroot to build in. |
| 02:12.38 | neopsyche | wheras .. the eden v11 install from repo is about 43MB |
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| 02:13.04 | GPenguin | somiaj: yeah, would be nice to have a build box for the little netbook |
| 02:13.29 | neopsyche | I dont understand building.. as I am an ubuntu refugee.. since this netbook is so small.. so had to install something smaller on it |
| 02:13.35 | somiaj | GPenguin: VPS, or various things like AWS can be useful, but those will have recuring fees to use. |
| 02:13.36 | GPenguin | tiny little change and you need to re-do this step |
| 02:13.39 | neopsyche | Not to mention its using an ipod hard drive (slow) |
| 02:14.03 | neopsyche | somai: thats out of my league at the moment. |
| 02:14.29 | neopsyche | ok. well at least the deltas seem to be done.. whatever they are |
| 02:14.38 | neopsyche | now its 'checking out files' |
| 02:14.43 | somiaj | neopsyche: what are you trying to build? |
| 02:14.44 | neopsyche | hmm. Pervy git instally. |
| 02:14.46 | neopsyche | lol |
| 02:15.14 | neopsyche | Im trying to build kodi. Since debian thought it would be a great idea to leave v 11 in repos .. and they are already at 15 |
| 02:15.22 | GPenguin | a delta is basically where your code differs from the incoming version |
| 02:15.28 | neopsyche | ok |
| 02:15.30 | neopsyche | hmm |
| 02:16.19 | neopsyche | There are no easy deb files for install kodi on debian |
| 02:16.33 | GPenguin | you need it for wheezy? |
| 02:16.47 | neopsyche | Yes. I dont want to mention a possible dirty word in here. |
| 02:16.58 | GPenguin | haha |
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| 02:17.14 | neopsyche | It starts with K ;-) |
| 02:17.43 | GPenguin | when you use something else than debian wheezy then please say so |
| 02:17.43 | neopsyche | What the Phrack is wrong with kodi on this thing? |
| 02:17.49 | somiaj | wheezy backports as version 13.1 for xbmc, would that be new enough for the features you want? |
| 02:17.59 | neopsyche | Sure. Gotham. |
| 02:18.15 | neopsyche | But I tried adding to sources list using the GUI.. and it died on me last time.. |
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| 02:19.04 | somiaj | Seems the stable release is 14.2, and this is 13.1. Not sure if that will have all the features you want, but it will be easier to isntall than building your own development version |
| 02:19.29 | neopsyche | ok |
| 02:19.44 | neopsyche | But.. somia.. i dont know how to sort out the sources without borking my install |
| 02:19.55 | neopsyche | last time i tried through synaptic and broke it somehow. |
| 02:20.04 | somiaj | !wheezy-backports |
| 02:20.04 | dpkg | Selected packages intended for the Debian 8 "Jessie" release but recompiled for use with "Wheezy" (7.x) can be found in the "wheezy-backports" repository. Note that wheezy-backports are on the regular mirror network, not on backports.debian.org. A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-backports main». Also ask me about <bdo>. |
| 02:20.27 | neopsyche | Oh. (facepalm) |
| 02:20.29 | somiaj | neopsyche: just open /etc/apt/sources.list with your faviorte text editor, and add the deb line listed above to a new line in that file. |
| 02:20.49 | neopsyche | Ok. Lets try it. Im going to abort this illegitimate little child called git-clone. |
| 02:20.51 | neopsyche | lol |
| 02:21.03 | neopsyche | But its alraedy done!? |
| 02:21.06 | neopsyche | Born a bastard. |
| 02:21.07 | neopsyche | ! |
| 02:21.30 | neopsyche | Hmm. all that for nothing? |
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| 02:21.48 | neopsyche | How do I get rid of the GIT-cloned files? |
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| 02:22.07 | somiaj | they just put them into a directory on your system related to the command you ran |
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| 02:22.11 | somiaj | just remove the files |
| 02:22.13 | neopsyche | ok...? |
| 02:22.18 | neopsyche | Hmm they are in cd xbmc |
| 02:22.20 | GPenguin | neopsyche: i would launch "mc" and select carefully |
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| 02:22.27 | somiaj | or keep them there, just in case you want to try 14 if 13.1 isn't new enough. |
| 02:22.28 | neopsyche | mc? |
| 02:22.32 | neopsyche | ok |
| 02:22.33 | neopsyche | hmm |
| 02:22.34 | neopsyche | doh! |
| 02:22.35 | GPenguin | might have to install it |
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| 02:22.48 | somiaj | midnight comander, a cli file manager. I say use any file management you like. |
| 02:22.49 | neopsyche | Im half way there already |
| 02:23.21 | neopsyche | Holy $hyte. thats a lot of dependencies lol.. |
| 02:23.33 | GPenguin | see :) |
| 02:23.38 | neopsyche | ah. lib depends. (facepalm) |
| 02:23.49 | neopsyche | Depends depends depends.. it all depends. |
| 02:24.02 | neopsyche | Debian: This may mean that you have |
| 02:24.02 | neopsyche | requested an impossible situation |
| 02:24.05 | neopsyche | No kidding debian! |
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| 02:25.02 | neopsyche | whats the delete file command? Sorry for being ubernoober |
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| 02:25.22 | neopsyche | oh. its in main.. |
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| 02:26.01 | neopsyche | all in all its abotu 650MB |
| 02:26.36 | neopsyche | says its going to take about 1 minute to delete the files.. slow right? |
| 02:26.46 | neopsyche | 1 minute to delete 650MB |
| 02:26.58 | GPenguin | many small files take extra long |
| 02:27.09 | neopsyche | time just ran backwards lol |
| 02:27.25 | GPenguin | :) |
| 02:27.38 | neopsyche | its like a car trying to climb a hhill without enough power |
| 02:28.04 | neopsyche | ok all done.. now about those sources .. |
| 02:28.28 | neopsyche | ok |
| 02:28.33 | neopsyche | all deleded |
| 02:28.35 | GPenguin | what you do is this: you make a backup of your sources.list before you modify |
| 02:28.40 | neopsyche | ok? |
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| 02:29.18 | somiaj | neopsyche: https://people.debian.org/~rbalint/ppa/xbmc-ffmpeg/ -- an unoffical repo for debian wheezy for 14.2 if you really want it. I say try the 13.1 from wheezy-backports first, as that package contains a static linked ffmpeg. Read the README for more info. |
| 02:29.22 | neopsyche | where are sources again? |
| 02:29.26 | neopsyche | sorry.. its in etc/something |
| 02:29.33 | somiaj | in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:29.46 | neopsyche | yes.. but people.debian for some reason doesnt play nice with the system |
| 02:29.46 | GPenguin | neopsyche: in /etc/apt |
| 02:29.59 | neopsyche | some https SSL error combined with retarded keyring needs |
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| 02:30.14 | somiaj | neopsyche: you have to have wheezy-backports enabled as per the instructions in the README |
| 02:30.24 | somiaj | the keyring info is also in the README |
| 02:30.43 | neopsyche | ok |
| 02:30.47 | neopsyche | i added backports main |
| 02:31.08 | GPenguin | apt-get update |
| 02:31.10 | neopsyche | i added deb in front of it |
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| 02:31.21 | neopsyche | updating |
| 02:31.23 | neopsyche | ...... |
| 02:32.07 | neopsyche | now how does it know to get it from unstable? |
| 02:32.24 | neopsyche | does it auto grab latest xbmc/kodi from all sources? |
| 02:32.27 | GPenguin | its not unstable its an extra repository |
| 02:32.32 | neopsyche | oh |
| 02:32.42 | neopsyche | sorry i ment backports |
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| 02:33.11 | somiaj | neopsyche: you ahve to tell it to. 'apt-get -t wheezy-backports install xbmc' |
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| 02:33.37 | neopsyche | ah i seee. thanks somiaj |
| 02:33.38 | neopsyche | :-) |
| 02:33.54 | neopsyche | I use sudo right? |
| 02:34.34 | somiaj | yes needs to be done as root |
| 02:34.55 | sam1 | anyone got experience with cryptroot hooks in update-initramfs? |
| 02:34.57 | neopsyche | shotowheeto |
| 02:35.20 | sam1 | I'm wondering why it cannot generate cryptroot conf.d file from a chrooted environment, a bit interested to know how it does it. |
| 02:35.45 | neopsyche | sam your brain is beyond me on this |
| 02:36.15 | somiaj | sam1: I don't have experience, but a thought does come to mind. Can you see the info about the cryptroot from sindie the chroot (like have mount --bind /dev, /sys, /proc, etc) |
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| 02:36.38 | sam1 | sindie? |
| 02:37.04 | somiaj | inside |
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| 02:38.54 | dgriffi | does anyone here know how to get alsamixer to display a "preamp" control? I've followed everything I find by googling for alsamixer and preamp and nothing works |
| 02:39.40 | sam1 | well look at that. it reads /dev according to strace |
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| 02:40.36 | somiaj | yes but the /dev inside the chroot may not have all the info of your running system unless you mount it inside. I don't know if this will fix your issue or have any other suggestions. Just a thought. |
| 02:40.41 | dgriffi | I did get alsamixer to show a "Pre-Amp" thing, but there's no slider. and when I delete /etc/asound.conf, it won't go away |
| 02:41.28 | neopsyche | ok guys.. heres the kicker.. it says unmet dependencies |
| 02:41.51 | neopsyche | xbmc : Depends: xbmc-bin (>= 2:13.2+dfsg1-3~bpo70+1) but it is not going to be installed |
| 02:41.51 | neopsyche | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:41.54 | somiaj | neopsyche: give me the output of 'apt-cache policy' at paste.debian.net and the output of the errors you got. |
| 02:42.42 | somiaj | neopsyche: these unknown issues usually happen when someone has thrid party software or unoffical repos in their sources. You have to manually track down the actual thing that is causing the conflict and fix it in this case. |
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| 02:44.59 | sam1 | somiaj: It looks like it does. I thought it would work the other way around, that the update-initramfs would read /etc/crypttab and figure out which device to lookup, but it does it from /dev, and if /dev isn't there then it skips |
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| 02:45.04 | sam1 | somiaj: thanks! |
| 02:45.07 | neopsyche | somiaj: http://paste.debian.net/165009/ |
| 02:46.29 | somiaj | neopsyche: https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 02:46.50 | neopsyche | hahaha. no kidding |
| 02:47.25 | somiaj | neopsyche: that is just ugly, don't mix things like this else you run into issues where you can't get the software you want to isntall. Anyways you have conflicts, probabaly both installed and with your sources.list. You can try to track them down, but my suggestion is learn to run a clean install and don't break it (: |
| 02:47.43 | neopsyche | ok. that could have been people.debian that did that? |
| 02:47.45 | mns | When I do an apt-get update, I see the following and it just waits: 0% [Connecting to security.debian.org (2610:148:1f10:3::73)] [Connecting to http.debian.net (2001:41c8:1000:21::21:35)]. Its using IPv6 addresses it seems ? and not connecting. |
| 02:48.15 | mns | never mind. it just took a long time. it started now. |
| 02:48.18 | neopsyche | ok.. so i held broken packages.. and now im screwed? |
| 02:49.02 | somiaj | neopsyche: people.debian did not add experiementa, unstable, testing sources and then pin stable higher thinking that would keep it from breaking. (: |
| 02:49.24 | neopsyche | ok |
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| 02:49.28 | neopsyche | hmm |
| 02:49.33 | somiaj | neopsyche: no you just have a mess, and you need to manually go though find the conflict and fix it. Since I have no clue how or what things are mixed between all those versions I have no easy suggestion. |
| 02:49.40 | neopsyche | such a mission. no deb package for me.. |
| 02:50.15 | somiaj | again read that don't break debian wiki. You can keep adding each package it gives you an error about to force it to isntall until you find where the conflict lives. You can try to get your current mess to work but it just isn't supported |
| 02:50.19 | somiaj | !fraken debian |
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| 02:50.46 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
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| 02:51.25 | dgriffi | does anyone here know anything about manipulating /etc/asound.conf? |
| 02:51.30 | neopsyche | darn it.. this is like driving a kit car |
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| 02:51.57 | neopsyche | as opposed to an already maintained ferrari with a team |
| 02:52.06 | neopsyche | no offense |
| 02:52.09 | somiaj | neopsyche: the issue is not with debian. The issue is you broke debian by mixing things. If you would stick with only wheezy and wheezy-backport sources you would not be having any of these issues. |
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| 02:52.14 | neopsyche | yeah |
| 02:52.32 | neopsyche | the question i have about linux.. why do we have to have all these things that break other things.. |
| 02:52.33 | somiaj | no the issue is you were given a ferrari, and decided to remove half the engine and put in some pieces from a porche and a audi |
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| 02:52.50 | sam1 | i smell butthurt. |
| 02:52.58 | neopsyche | I dont want to mention the NSA toy.. but if i install something on an exe.. then it doesnt usually break my whole system when i uninstall it |
| 02:53.48 | sam1 | somiaj: It worked like a charm |
| 02:53.54 | neopsyche | If only there were one easy to use (small to install) version of linux.. with files that did not kill your system. |
| 02:54.17 | neopsyche | I think the key here being that debian etc.. allows us to install files.. there is no training wheels mode. |
| 02:54.25 | sam1 | somiaj: no need for custom cryptroot file in /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/, autogenerated bliss |
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| 02:55.32 | shay_shay | holy crap |
| 02:55.33 | somiaj | neopsyche: yea linux doesn't stop you from breaking your system. My suggestion is backup, and reinstall a wheezy pure system and run that. Or maybe just wait until the jessie release and install that. |
| 02:55.43 | somiaj | sam1: glad my advise worked. I have no clue what you are doing. (: |
| 02:55.48 | neopsyche | somaij: it wants signing key regardless |
| 02:56.16 | neopsyche | either i have the NSA breathing down my neck.. on Windoze.. or live in dependency hell |
| 02:56.27 | somiaj | neopsyche: again if you spent the time you could salavge that install, I would suggest upgrading to jessie and puring any experiemential, unstable or unoffical packages. |
| 02:56.28 | neopsyche | suicide is a good option now. |
| 02:56.29 | kWO901 | at times the wifi turns off and on at random. somone suggested to switch to "wicd", is that a good idea? |
| 02:56.29 | neopsyche | :-) |
| 02:56.32 | shay_shay | neopsyche: holy.. (i just saw your apt-cache policy) |
| 02:56.53 | neopsyche | lol |
| 02:57.06 | somiaj | kWO901: What do you currently use to manage your wifi card? |
| 02:57.20 | kWO901 | somiaj: the default |
| 02:57.31 | sam1 | somiaj: best rubber duck then :D |
| 02:57.32 | somiaj | neopsyche: try to keep rants down, we understand frustration, but we try to keep signal/noise ratio > 1 |
| 02:57.50 | somiaj | kWO901: what do you call the default? (This is even ill defined depending on the dekstop you use) |
| 02:58.03 | lrvick | Can anyone think of why this line would hang? |
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| 02:58.08 | kWO901 | somiaj: NetworkManager Applet |
| 02:58.18 | kWO901 | somiaj: 0.9.4.1 |
| 02:59.09 | lrvick | https://github.com/hashbang/docker-slapd/blob/master/run.sh#L31 |
| 02:59.11 | somiaj | kWO901: You could try wicd, it is just a replacement for network-mananger. Though I would look into why your wifi drops. Both nm and wicd will reassoicate with AP's and try to keep your network up automatically if it drops. |
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| 02:59.47 | kWO901 | somiaj: how do i look into why it drops? |
| 03:00.08 | neopsyche | somiaj: apparently this is known XBMC FFMPEG DEBIAN HELL http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=120225 |
| 03:00.08 | somiaj | kWO901: network manager has logs, you could read though its logs and look at the times it drops. |
| 03:00.38 | kWO901 | somiaj: where do i find the logs of the network manager? |
| 03:00.47 | somiaj | kWO901: you can use iwconfig and ifconfig to look at the state of your system at the time it drops. |
| 03:00.58 | somiaj | kWO901: /var/log/ (maybe network-manager) but in tehre somewhere. |
| 03:01.48 | somiaj | neopsyche: the methods I suggested would have gotten you 13.1 or 14.2 if your system hadn't been messed up by mixing things the way you did. Don't take your bad experience as the standard. At some point you chose to mix or follow bad advise and cause this. (: |
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| 03:02.30 | neopsyche | thing is.. Ubuntu = software center = works |
| 03:02.41 | somiaj | neopsyche: for people new to debian it is common we have to explain to them not to mix things. |
| 03:02.43 | neopsyche | and.. no.. ubuntu doesnt work on here.. because its too big |
| 03:03.19 | neopsyche | wheres debian software center? hence i would not need to install anything from commandline if i did not want to |
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| 03:03.54 | somiaj | neopsyche: 'aptitude' it a software center of sorts, apt-get and aptitude is prefered. synamptic can be used, but I suggest just learning the command line. It is worth it in the end. |
| 03:04.17 | kWO901 | somiaj: cant see logs for network manager. however a guy once said wicd fixed for him as the default network manager wasnt very compatible with the hardware of his old laptop |
| 03:04.24 | dgriffi | does anyone in here understand /etc/asound.conf? |
| 03:04.48 | kWO901 | somiaj: i only fear i could get stuck with no network manager in case of error. and no cable to connect to internet either |
| 03:05.00 | dgriffi | #linux |
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| 03:05.29 | somiaj | dgriffi: I saw your question, but not sure what you are trying to control. I only know a minimial amount to get my sound cards working. |
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| 03:06.10 | somiaj | kWO901: network-manager doesn't care about teh hardware, that is the os. You can try wicd, and it may fix the issue. But I think it might be wifi drivers or something that is making you loose assoication with the ap. |
| 03:06.15 | dgriffi | somiaj: I'm trying to get a working "preamp" setting in alsamixer |
| 03:06.30 | somiaj | dgriffi: yea I don't know what a 'preamp' setting is. :? |
| 03:06.33 | dgriffi | somiaj: the idea is to boost the volume a bit |
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| 03:06.57 | dgriffi | somiaj: google for alsamixer and preamp and you'll see what it is and why it's desirable |
| 03:07.04 | somiaj | dgriffi: sure your sound card supports such a thing? |
| 03:07.32 | dgriffi | somiaj: I had it before I went on a merry-go-round of upgrading to Jessie only to find out that it makes a mess of Audacity and Skype |
| 03:08.21 | dgriffi | somiaj: my problem now is that I can't seem to identify any consistent way to influence what gets put in the alsamixer display. if I diddle with the contents of /etc/asound.conf, sometimes something new will show up |
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| 03:08.30 | kWO901 | somiaj: i'd need to remove the current NM in order to install wicd ? |
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| 03:08.45 | dgriffi | somiaj: sometimes not. if I remove /etc/asound.conf entirely, the stuff I previously put in there are STILL there |
| 03:08.52 | somiaj | dgriffi: you have skype isntalled, doesn't that mean you have pulseaudio installed. Maybe this shoudl be configured though pulse? |
| 03:09.07 | somiaj | kWO901: you don't need to, but you will want to disable the service so they dont' fight over control of your network. |
| 03:09.20 | dgriffi | skype and pulse are not yet installed. I haven't gotten there yet. Right now I'm focusing on getting this portion of audio working correctly. |
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| 03:09.27 | kWO901 | somiaj: ok thx |
| 03:09.39 | somiaj | dgriffi: one thing I would suggest is don't mess with /etc/asound.conf and use ~/.asoundrc |
| 03:10.01 | dgriffi | somiaj: ya. I wish I did that before I wiped the machine in question. |
| 03:10.11 | somiaj | dgriffi: well I would install pulseaudio and try to configure it via pulseaudio (not alsa) since that will tak control once you isntall skype. |
| 03:10.58 | dgriffi | somiaj: there's a pulseaudio dummy library that I plan to use. |
| 03:11.34 | somiaj | dgriffi: ahh, yea forgot about that. I just removed skype when it force pulse. But you might get better support if you find a alsa channel. |
| 03:11.51 | dgriffi | somiaj: nobody is awake in #alsa |
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| 03:12.10 | somiaj | dgriffi: looks like you'll have to be paitent or keep following guides on google until you figure it out. :/ |
| 03:13.31 | dgriffi | somiaj: I managed to get a slider that does the job, but I also have several non-working sliders in alsamixer. I have no idea how to get rid of them. |
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| 03:19.31 | rak[2] | which group should a user belong to in order to be able to mount things? |
| 03:20.04 | somiaj | rak[2]: there really isn't a default goup for that. You can put stuff in /etc/fstab and allow users to mount specific things. |
| 03:20.14 | somiaj | rak[2]: what are you wanting your user to be able to mount? |
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| 03:20.30 | rak[2] | user is myself, i don't want to have to be root/sudo |
| 03:20.41 | rak[2] | i have a mmcblk (sd card port) |
| 03:20.57 | rak[2] | i'd really like to be able to plug it in and mount/umount at will |
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| 03:21.14 | somiaj | rak[2]: if you get the uuid of the filesystem, you can add it to /etc/fstab with the users option and then you can mount/umount it to a specific location as you desire |
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| 03:21.41 | rak[2] | aye, i really ought to learn /etc/fstab, i always mount stuff manually |
| 03:21.52 | somiaj | there are automounter tools that just mount thigns for you. Unsure what desktops use (maybe policy-kit) to allow users to mount/umount removable file systems with their fiel manager. |
| 03:22.11 | rak[2] | but in general i find myself plugging random devices in here and there quite often. so it would be really great to just give a user access to mount/umount all the things |
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| 03:23.36 | somiaj | rak[2]: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/96625/allow-non-superusers-to-mount-any-filesystem |
| 03:23.47 | rak[2] | :o, let me check that |
| 03:24.00 | somiaj | rak[2]: read the first insecure way, basically you can 'leave your system option to easy takeover' |
| 03:24.32 | somiaj | rak[2]: but if you really want to you could add a setuid or setgid to the mount command and just let your user mount things as will and hope no one exploits it. |
| 03:25.32 | rak[2] | OK, i will play with my options |
| 03:25.40 | rak[2] | i am already able to do it as sudo, but i don't want to have to sudo. |
| 03:26.06 | rak[2] | my thought is in general anyway, unless i am running SELinux.. what is the difference between my user being able to and root? |
| 03:26.11 | somiaj | rak[2]: at least sudo requires password auth or should, adds a layer so others can't exploit it. |
| 03:26.11 | rak[2] | either way, you only need to know 1 password |
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| 03:27.31 | somiaj | you could allow anyone to run the mount binary as root with setuid options maybe chmod 660 the mount binary as well so people outside the right group can't run it. But with a user being able to run mount, can be easily exploited. |
| 03:28.18 | rak[2] | see this is slightly where i don't understand linux. why does mounting binary have to be run as root? why cannot i bind the binary to a group of which then access can be added? |
| 03:28.42 | rak[2] | oh.. hehe aye aye |
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| 03:29.19 | rak[2] | being that i am on laptop and any user would be local, i feel mounting should be allowable |
| 03:29.38 | rak[2] | imo if you have physical access one should be able to do what one wants :) |
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| 03:29.57 | somiaj | rak[2]: and I described a way to do it, with setuid bit on the mount binary. I was just explaing why there isn't a default way to do this. It is usually considered insecure. |
| 03:30.17 | rak[2] | aye aye. i meant to ask earlier, what is the canonical way to get the uuid ? |
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| 03:30.32 | rak[2] | it escapes me atm |
| 03:30.39 | somiaj | rak[2]: grep username /etc/passwd |
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| 03:30.50 | rak[2] | of the "filesystem" |
| 03:31.00 | somiaj | oh sorry I thought user id |
| 03:31.16 | rak[2] | hehe. |
| 03:31.35 | somiaj | rak[2]: blkid as root |
| 03:31.44 | somiaj | or ls -ld /dev/disk/by-uuid |
| 03:32.27 | rak[2] | ah :) |
| 03:32.38 | rak[2] | i tried, lsblk thinking it might have something useful =P |
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| 03:34.18 | rak[2] | how are uuid defined? will any sdcard i plug in to my mmcblk port get the same id? |
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| 03:34.36 | somiaj | no, uuid are created at the point you create a filesystem and are unique to the file system. |
| 03:35.06 | somiaj | ususaly when you plug in drives they get called things like /dev/sdc /dev/sdd in order, you could put a few of those in /etc/fstab |
| 03:35.36 | somiaj | i.e. have an user entry for any disk of the form /dev/sdc /dev/sdc1 /dev/sdd1 /dev/sde1, and then create mountpoints for them. |
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| 04:17.15 | rawburt | so the Postfix package in Debian 8/testing does not ship with a systemd file for starting the service. what should I do? |
| 04:17.31 | jaggzt | anyone know how to run a command (like 'echo hi') when telnetting to a port? |
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| 04:17.58 | jaggzt | I've setup these systemd files but I think it expects my script to bind to a port or something.. not sure |
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| 04:19.50 | buu | what does 'run a command while telnetting to a port' even mean? |
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| 04:21.27 | jaggzt | telnet localhost 7 will run my script |
| 04:21.46 | jaggzt | it's to have a remote system sound an alarm on the local system |
| 04:21.48 | iWaldo | if i install jessie RC2 will i automatically switch to stable when jessie is done? |
| 04:21.52 | iWaldo | or will i stay on testing? |
| 04:23.56 | buu | jaggzt: Telnet is just a protocol for sending marked up text over a socket.. |
| 04:24.11 | jaggzt | buu, marked up? |
| 04:24.23 | buu | Yes, it allows metacharacters to change the format of the text displayed. |
| 04:24.26 | iWaldo | html, xml, etc |
| 04:24.27 | buu | For prompts and stuff. |
| 04:24.35 | jaggzt | buu, I don't care which app opens the tcp connection, I just need the 'server' to run a script when something connects to port 7 |
| 04:24.39 | buu | Not quite that marked up =] |
| 04:24.56 | jaggzt | telnet has something to do with markup?? |
| 04:25.18 | buu | jaggzt: Telnet is a text protocol. |
| 04:25.33 | buu | Its also the name of a binary that interprets that text protocol. |
| 04:26.01 | jaggzt | ok.. so I want telnet alarm_server_ip 7 to run a script (right now I'm trying to get it to just run "echo hi") |
| 04:26.39 | jaggzt | but netcat or almost any other connection to port 7, tcp, should also work |
| 04:26.52 | jaggzt | having a tough time getting this to work with systemd |
| 04:27.03 | buu | How is systemd involved? |
| 04:27.13 | buu | Oh, speaking of things, do you have inetd running? |
| 04:28.00 | jaggzt | no.. I believe inetd's been replaced with systemd, no? |
| 04:28.14 | buu | uh |
| 04:28.26 | buu | no? |
| 04:28.38 | buu | I didn't think they had any connection at all |
| 04:29.15 | lrvick | Anyone know what might cause dpkg-reconfigure to hang forever? any debugging tips? |
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| 04:29.23 | buu | Oh, systemd reimplements inetd functionality, I see |
| 04:29.26 | jaggzt | pretty sure they do.. systemd seems to handle the listening on the ports |
| 04:29.28 | buu | lrvick: strace it? |
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| 04:30.16 | buu | jaggzt: http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/inetd.html |
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| 04:32.19 | lrvick | buu: strace reveals it does not like 'somepass' as a password |
| 04:32.28 | lrvick | even in a test env, it rejects such silliness |
| 04:32.31 | jaggzt | see, it's really irritating .. can't find an example of a simple non-socket application (like 'echo' .. or even chargen) in systemd style |
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| 04:32.54 | buu | jaggzt: Uh, it executes the program you tell it to |
| 04:33.01 | lrvick | buu: but it does not give an error, it just goes into an insane infinite loop |
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| 04:33.04 | lrvick | buu: so bug probably |
| 04:33.15 | jaggzt | yeah, but in my case it's saying 'no such process'. I believe it wants the app to keep running once it starts it |
| 04:33.20 | jaggzt | like if you run ftpd |
| 04:33.43 | buu | jaggzt: how did you configure it? |
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| 04:36.48 | jaggzt | buu: 3 files http://www.pasteall.org/57658 |
| 04:37.26 | jaggzt | got it working! |
| 04:37.41 | jaggzt | thankfully, pasting it here, I had my old nick in (didn't want to publish my real username) |
| 04:39.08 | buu | What did you fix? |
| 04:39.12 | buu | Your nick? |
| 04:41.33 | jaggzt | yeah.. User=jaggzt changed to User=another_name |
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| 04:42.09 | jaggzt | okay.. now to get audio playing.. I get a bunch of pulseaudio errors when running mpg123 Unable to contact D-Bus |
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| 04:42.52 | lrvick | dpkg-reconfigure is hanging forever. strace reveals an infinite loop adding ldap vars: http://pastie.org/10074356 |
| 04:43.01 | lrvick | I am prettyconfused by this |
| 04:43.06 | lrvick | choosing a longer psasword had no change |
| 04:43.32 | buu | nice |
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| 04:45.50 | jaggzt | buu, ssh'ing and running mpg123 works.. must be an environment var thing? |
| 04:47.20 | buu | or a user thing? |
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| 04:48.07 | buu | Dunno, my ssh session doesn't have many env variables set |
| 04:48.10 | buu | shrugs |
| 04:48.29 | jaggzt | got it! |
| 04:48.32 | jaggzt | export XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=/run/user/1000 |
| 04:48.37 | buu | huh |
| 04:48.47 | jaggzt | I have no clue what it is, but it's required :) |
| 04:49.13 | jaggzt | does your ssh buu@localhost 'mpg123 /some.mp3' play? |
| 04:49.42 | jaggzt | if you diff a 'set' and the same thing when running from systemd you'll notice no significant differences except that XDG line |
| 04:49.46 | buu | Um; mpg123 foo.mp3; works once I ssh in? |
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| 04:49.55 | buu | I don't have xdg.. |
| 04:50.14 | kWO901 | I've installed wicd, and it says "no wireless network found". why? |
| 04:50.50 | jaggzt | buu, right.. works for me too.. |
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| 04:50.58 | buu | kWO901: Do you have a recognized wireless card? |
| 04:51.27 | buu | jaggzt: I can't test it too thoroughly the box that has speakers is 300miles away =] |
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| 04:51.44 | jaggzt | but if you unset XDG_RUNTIME_DIR it might fail |
| 04:52.03 | kWO901 | buu: yes |
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| 04:52.07 | buu | That seems like a desktop environment thing |
| 04:52.21 | buu | jaggzt: So is XDG_* set if you just ssh in and run env? |
| 04:52.33 | jaggzt | yup |
| 04:53.25 | buu | hrm |
| 04:53.31 | buu | Maybe its a kde thing or something |
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| 04:59.00 | kWO901 | I've installed wicd, and it says "no wireless network found". why? |
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| 05:04.59 | bytes | i have a question about jessie rc2 amd64, does it have uefi support? |
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| 05:12.08 | somiaj | bytes: yes, debian has had uefi support since wheezy (I don't think there is any secure boot support though) |
| 05:12.22 | bytes | ah ok, thank you somiaj |
| 05:12.40 | somiaj | kWO901: did you disable/turn off network-manager? Do you ave your wifi card mentioned in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 05:14.18 | kWO901 | somiaj: works now. i had to add manually wlan0 to the wicd settings |
| 05:15.08 | somiaj | kWO901: okay just make sure you don't have network-manager running and wlan0 listed in your interfaces file (conflicting methods of configuring the network can lead to chaos) |
| 05:17.00 | kWO901 | somiaj: thx |
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| 06:05.41 | cast | Kaboon: what are you trying to do? |
| 06:05.55 | cast | sorry, kWO901 |
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| 07:09.14 | lrvick | If I configure slapd fully, like this ( http://pastie.org/10074447 ), then fire it up... it contains no users, and no references to my domain at all. |
| 07:09.24 | lrvick | it seems like it just creates an empty server |
| 07:09.26 | lrvick | ideas? |
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| 07:42.15 | maziar | what is this error for : "SSL: error:1408B010:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_CLIENT_KEY_EXCHANGE:EC lib)" on debian nginx |
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| 07:44.22 | phix | SSL3 is broken |
| 07:45.04 | phix | Specially trained POODLEs broke it |
| 07:47.40 | maziar | phix, what is that ? |
| 07:48.25 | phix | http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/POODLE |
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| 07:59.08 | maziar | phix, how to fix that ? |
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| 08:09.46 | kWO901 | can I ssh into a server and let an app running? |
| 08:10.21 | GPenguin | kWO901: that keeps running when you log off you mean? |
| 08:10.31 | GPenguin | i would use screen or tmux for that |
| 08:11.10 | kWO901 | GPenguin: yes I want to shut down and ssh again tomorrow. but during this time i would need the app to run |
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| 08:12.13 | GPenguin | run "screen" and then your application. and tomorrow you can re-attach by "screen -r" |
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| 08:12.51 | kWO901 | GPenguin: ok thx |
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| 08:14.28 | babilen | tmux ftw |
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| 08:15.03 | babilen | And if you are often connecting from patchy internet connections you might really like mosh |
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| 08:15.47 | maziar | does any body know aboout this error routines:SSL3_GET_CLIENT_KEY_EXCHANGE |
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| 08:17.07 | chewtabbaca | perhaps whatever you're using has ssl3 demotion disabled |
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| 08:21.41 | pasword2 | Hi |
| 08:21.50 | kWO901 | babilen: im trying tmux. but now i shh-ed back and how do i get to the app ? |
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| 08:23.47 | pasword2 | I am trying to install flash player on a newly installed debian 4.7 system. But am getting error the flashplayer cannot be locatec from apt-get. Now I'm wondering if theres not missing/incorrect sources set for apt-get , does someone have the default sources file for apt-get? |
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| 08:25.29 | babilen | kWO901: "tmux a -d" ('a' attach to running instance and '-d' detach all other attached sessions) |
| 08:25.54 | pasword2 | my sources files : http://pastebin.com/qYbyTE7C |
| 08:26.00 | chewtabbaca | hm there is some fancy command you issue to dpkg to get sources.list but idk it |
| 08:27.18 | babilen | pasword2: You don't have "normal" repositories configured. Use a sources.list such as http://paste.debian.net/165032/ (or rather: exactly that), run "apt-get update" and take it from there. |
| 08:27.51 | chewtabbaca | !sources.list |
| 08:27.52 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 7 "Wheezy" has three lines: "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main" "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <wheezy/updates> <wheezy-updates> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and "man sources.list". |
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| 08:28.19 | pasword2 | thy babilen |
| 08:28.36 | pasword2 | i suspected that was the issue |
| 08:28.54 | babilen | you are welcome |
| 08:29.44 | kWO901 | babilen: i left an irssi open and i can see is still connected. how do i access it? |
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| 08:30.17 | babilen | kWO901: "left it open" how? |
| 08:30.42 | kWO901 | babilen: i sshed and used tmux to open irssi |
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| 08:30.52 | kWO901 | its now still running. how do i get back to it? |
| 08:30.55 | pasword2 | also , on onther issue , I'm having trouble giving a user sudo proiviledges , is there a cmd I need to run after editing the sudoers file? |
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| 08:31.09 | babilen | kWO901: Then you detached? You can reattach with the aforementioned "tmux a -d" |
| 08:32.03 | babilen | pasword2: You would typically just add users to the "sudo" group if all you want is "grant root to that user". Do that with "adduser THEUSER sudo" |
| 08:32.39 | babilen | pasword2: And no, there is no need to do anything specific after editing sudoers (you used 'visudo' didn't you?) |
| 08:32.44 | pasword2 | babilen: I did that , but still get an error that says user is not in sudoers |
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| 08:32.52 | kWO901 | babilen: i did the tmux a -d thing and it didnt get me the irssi back |
| 08:32.54 | babilen | pasword2: You did what? |
| 08:33.30 | babilen | kWO901: What does "tmux list-sessions" give you? |
| 08:33.43 | pasword2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:34.14 | pasword2 | if I run it again then I get msg saying user is already a part of group sudo |
| 08:34.16 | babilen | kWO901: Make that "tmux ls" |
| 08:34.35 | chewtabbaca | what happens when you do sudo su (for example) |
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| 08:34.45 | babilen | pasword2: Okay, and then you login with that user, confirm that it is a member of that group with "id" and try to use sudo? |
| 08:35.03 | babilen | You could try to become root with "sudo -i" |
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| 08:35.41 | pasword2 | running id does not show sudo , should I log out first? |
| 08:35.50 | chewtabbaca | yes then back in |
| 08:35.53 | pasword2 | ok |
| 08:35.55 | kWO901 | babilen: |
| 08:35.56 | pasword2 | brb |
| 08:35.56 | kWO901 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:35.57 | kWO901 | 0: 1 windows (created Sun Apr 5 08:17:32 2015) [159x46] |
| 08:35.57 | kWO901 | 1: 1 windows (created Sun Apr 5 08:20:34 2015) [159x46] (attached) |
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| 08:37.25 | password2 | Hi |
| 08:37.30 | chewtabbaca | works? |
| 08:37.33 | password2 | sudo priv is now sorted , thanx |
| 08:37.54 | chewtabbaca | cool, see also /etc/sudoers if you want any restrictions on sudo |
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| 08:38.20 | password2 | and the plugin is installing , double thanx |
| 08:38.24 | maziar | how to generate SSL with sha-2 ? |
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| 08:39.07 | babilen | kWO901: Okay, you seem to have started another session. Did you run "tmux" rather than "tmux a -d" the second time around? Run "tmux a 0" to attach to the first session |
| 08:39.26 | babilen | (obviously not from within tmux) |
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| 08:40.14 | babilen | pasword2: yay |
| 08:40.22 | htqp | FYI after adding a user to a group, terminals where user is already logged-in are not updatwd, so one runs ''newgrp groupname'' |
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| 08:41.29 | babilen | htqp: That is problematic in that it changed your primary group, you probably want "newgrp NEWGRP" followed by "newgrp -" |
| 08:42.33 | htqp | babilen: cool, thanks! |
| 08:42.56 | kWO901 | babilen: |
| 08:42.57 | kWO901 | root@debian:~# tmux a 0 |
| 08:42.57 | kWO901 | usage: attach-session [-dr] [-t target-session] |
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| 08:45.39 | babilen | kWO901: "-t 0" sorry |
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| 08:46.33 | kWO901 | usage: tmux [-28lquvV] [-c shell-command] [-f file] [-L socket-name] [-S socket-path] [command [flags]] |
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| 08:47.32 | babilen | Which command was that? |
| 08:48.35 | kWO901 | root@debian:~# tmux -t 0 |
| 08:48.36 | kWO901 | tmux: unknown option -- t |
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| 08:49.00 | babilen | kWO901: Well, obviously you still want to attach. So make that "tmux a -t 0" |
| 08:49.34 | toor001 | ok |
| 08:49.42 | kWO901 | babilen: worked |
| 08:49.57 | toor001 | babilen: worked :) |
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| 09:22.03 | zPlus | when booting debian, my screen goes black after changing video mode until the login manager is loaded. How can I make it show all the booting log on screen? |
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| 09:24.41 | babilen | zPlus: Edit /etc/default/rcS to your liking |
| 09:25.00 | zPlus | thanks babilen gonna look at that |
| 09:26.40 | babilen | You might also want to remove the "quiet" in /etc/default/grub (rebuild grub config with "update-grub2") |
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| 09:28.08 | babilen | zPlus: What do you have in your grub config? |
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| 09:28.31 | babilen | fwiw, setting verbose in rcS is not necessarily what you want (but check) |
| 09:29.59 | zPlus | babilen: https://pastee.org/39ets |
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| 09:31.08 | K-202 | Hi. Can I install Debian from floppy disk and network on older computer? |
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| 09:31.26 | zPlus | babilen: to give some context, I use i3 but I was trying to load Debian in text mode. So I run sysv-rc-conf and disable gdm3/lightdm for runlevel 2. And now, it shows a blank screen when changing video mode during boot time |
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| 09:33.44 | babilen | brb |
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| 09:54.06 | zPlus | babilen: removing "quiet" doesn't work. Using "nomodeset" instead shows the boot info (as expected) but the video resolution is not set correctly... I really wonder what happened just by disabling lightdm.... |
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| 10:05.34 | Jahz | Hi |
| 10:05.38 | Jahz | Is anybody knowledgable with recovering files ? I've got a hard drive here who was used on a storage/router device with a drive formatted ext3 and configured as raid, I was able to recover 12gb of pictures but I have a 430gb "backing_file" binary file and am wondering If i can do anything with it |
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| 10:06.43 | jelly | Jahz: what does "file backing_file" say |
| 10:08.06 | Jahz | give me a minute |
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| 10:11.59 | Jahz | jelly says x86 boot sector |
| 10:12.45 | jelly | Jahz: so it might be a hard disk image with its own partitions and filesystems |
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| 10:13.33 | Jahz | so how would I got about mounting this ? |
| 10:14.06 | jelly | Jahz: make a loopback device from it, then see if a partitioning tool can see any partition table on it |
| 10:14.25 | Jahz | alright I'm gonna look into it, thanks |
| 10:14.46 | jelly | "losetup" for the first part |
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| 10:17.11 | Jahz | jelly : http://www.walkernews.net/2007/07/01/create-linux-loopback-file-system-on-disk-file/ does this look like a good step by step to you ? |
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| 11:17.11 | K-202 | I have: (1) PC with floppy and Ethernet connected to TP-Link router; (2) Samsung R540 laptop with WiFi; (3) TP-Link router behind wall. How to boot Debian Jessie installer on (1) using TFTP etc? Must be these 2 computers connected by cable? |
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| 11:38.31 | z302 | if I use the dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sda command, assuming sda is a drive I want to wipe and it has no partitions on it, will dd overwrite all the writable bits and stop when space is empty or just write on the first sector over and over? thank you |
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| 11:42.20 | abrotman | z302: partitions won't matter, it will go as fast as it can, over the entire drive |
| 11:42.41 | cast | if you don't want to be waiting a long time, you might want to use something faster than urandom |
| 11:42.57 | abrotman | z302: If you want it to be faster, try /dev/zero .. ifyou want to securely erase the drive, try dban |
| 11:43.06 | abrotman | dpkg: tell z302 about dban |
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| 11:43.19 | z302 | interesting answer, |
| 11:43.47 | z302 | before this dd I tried to simply reformat the drive with a brand new partition and fill such partition to the last kilobyte with linux isos |
| 11:44.06 | z302 | but it didn't work since photorec recovered multiple gigabytes of personal files and photos |
| 11:44.08 | abrotman | z302: If you choose to use dban, be careful with it |
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| 11:45.14 | cast | yeah...if you go with /dev/zero you'll do a much better job then your iso attempt, whether you need a csprng is another question, i don't really think so in your case |
| 11:45.24 | z302 | "DBAN will automatically and completely delete the contents of any hard disk that it can detect" oh, sounds a bit different from what I need then |
| 11:45.26 | lifeofguenter | oh thats how it works at debian, you post a bug and get bashed by the maintainer and without even waiting for you to response the bug gets closed. nice. |
| 11:45.42 | lifeofguenter | and with waiting I mean minutes not days |
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| 11:46.04 | abrotman | z302: why is that? I think it can be controlled to only do specific drives |
| 11:46.20 | abrotman | lifeofguenter: you can reopen the bug |
| 11:46.25 | abrotman | lifeofguenter: which bug#? |
| 11:47.01 | abrotman | z302: look at the docs for DBAN if you thikn it's closer to what you want |
| 11:47.54 | lifeofguenter | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=781942 - he thinks I was pissed but I just wanted to report "this does not work" - replied to that email with more details - does that automatically reopen the bug abrotman? |
| 11:48.26 | lifeofguenter | I might have chosen the wrong severity level - my bad. using "reportbug" for the first time |
| 11:49.20 | z302 | abrotman, thank you for your answers, dban is an interesting utility altough I would like to have a go at it with the plain old dd first. What I was puzzled by is how come I could find my own files with photorec even after creating a partition-wide file with urandom |
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| 11:50.41 | abrotman | z302: you'd probably need to detail the steps you used, and then ask the photorec people |
| 11:52.04 | abrotman | lifeofguenter: append the bug, show him how you lose data, include logs of your setup, etc |
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| 11:52.38 | lifeofguenter | thanks abrotman will do |
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| 12:26.11 | Bremsstrahlung | I'm trying to get Wine up and running on Debian 7.8, amd64, but I keep getting this when I try to install the 32-bit package http://paste.debian.net/165056/ |
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| 12:39.55 | abrotman | Bremsstrahlung: you're doing it wrong! |
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| 12:40.16 | Bremsstrahlung | abrotman: Mhm? How would I do it right? |
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| 12:43.22 | AberHatschi | Bremsstrahlung, you a on multiarch ? |
| 12:43.40 | Bremsstrahlung | Yes -- I did enable multiarch, I tested and saw that a foreign architecture was i386. |
| 12:43.50 | Bremsstrahlung | The OS is 64-bit (x86_64). |
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| 12:51.02 | AberHatschi | Bremsstrahlung, what do you need with wine ? |
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| 12:51.27 | Bremsstrahlung | I need to be able to use Internet Explorer; a website I use refuses to work with any other browser. |
| 12:51.40 | AberHatschi | ohhh |
| 12:51.53 | AberHatschi | ok do you know playonlinux ? |
| 12:52.03 | AberHatschi | its easy to yours |
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| 12:52.06 | Bremsstrahlung | Is that the dev thing...? -_- |
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| 12:52.34 | abrotman | Bremsstrahlung: apt-get install wine-bin:i386 says what? |
| 12:52.41 | blackflow | Bremsstrahlung: does the site need some IE functionality (eg activex) or is UA string what it cares about? |
| 12:52.53 | Bremsstrahlung | abrotman: Hold up. |
| 12:52.55 | abrotman | He He swsays he needs IE .. |
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| 12:53.29 | Bremsstrahlung | blackflow: I am not sure -- it just needs IE, I am not sure what aspect of IE that other mainstream browsers like Chrome or FireFox/IceWeasel lack. |
| 12:53.49 | abrotman | please stop arguing if he needs IE or not .. |
| 12:54.03 | Bremsstrahlung | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/165062/ |
| 12:54.07 | abrotman | The issue is that he's unable to install Wine |
| 12:54.25 | blackflow | Bremsstrahlung: did you try eg. Firefox with UA String plugin to fool the site into thinking you're on IE? I've made some sites "work" like that in the past. |
| 12:54.49 | abrotman | blackflow: and what if he needs Vizio? |
| 12:55.03 | Bremsstrahlung | I'd like to be able to use IE, I do not want a hack for FireFox, I do not want to attempt to fool these people (they are a source of monetary income). |
| 12:55.03 | Bremsstrahlung | I want to use Wine. |
| 12:55.04 | abrotman | Bremsstrahlung: try that next package .. (you did run apt-get update after adding the arch, right?) |
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| 12:55.09 | blackflow | abrotman: did he say he needed Vizio? |
| 12:55.11 | Bremsstrahlung | Yep, I did. |
| 12:55.17 | blackflow | ah, ok. my mistake. |
| 12:55.32 | Bremsstrahlung | There are tons of other Windows programs I may want to use, blackflow, please, I want to use Wine. I don't want hacks for other browsers. |
| 12:55.32 | abrotman | blackflow: no, you're arguing the wrong issue .. stop trying to fix his "issue" with IE .. that's not the problem. He's having problems instlaling Wine |
| 12:55.35 | Bremsstrahlung | I want to get Wine running. |
| 12:55.47 | AberHatschi | Bremsstrahlung, sudo apt-get install playonlinux |
| 12:55.51 | abrotman | ... |
| 12:56.12 | abrotman | Bremsstrahlung: try the next package, keep going until one gives ytou an actual reason why (aptitude might be more help also) |
| 12:56.18 | Bremsstrahlung | Yeah, hold up. |
| 12:56.21 | Bremsstrahlung | Let's see... |
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| 12:56.49 | AberHatschi | the entry is under games |
| 12:56.52 | abrotman | Bremsstrahlung: oh .. hold up .. what does "apt-get update;apt-get dist-upgrade' want to do? |
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| 12:57.07 | abrotman | Bremsstrahlung: it's telling you that you have broken/held packages |
| 12:57.18 | Bremsstrahlung | Apparently, yeah, that's what it says. |
| 12:57.27 | abrotman | so, find out what is broken or held |
| 12:57.37 | Bremsstrahlung | WHen I run "apt-get update;apt-get dist-upgrade", it hits my sources.list file and checks them. |
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| 12:58.19 | abrotman | yes, I know |
| 12:58.25 | abrotman | any other useful output? |
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| 12:58.38 | abrotman | if not, try 'apt-get -f install' |
| 12:58.58 | Bremsstrahlung | No, it exits normally -- OK, hold up. |
| 13:00.26 | Bremsstrahlung | abrotman, same error with the -f flag. |
| 13:00.37 | abrotman | Bremsstrahlung: try with aptitude |
| 13:00.59 | abrotman | Bremsstrahlung: aptitude update;aptitude full-upgrade .. does it cdomment on held packages? is there anything in your preferences you've held? |
| 13:01.28 | Bremsstrahlung | :-| It wants to uninstall almost eveyrthing. |
| 13:01.32 | Bremsstrahlung | Ugh. |
| 13:01.34 | Bremsstrahlung | BRB food |
| 13:01.47 | Bremsstrahlung | I will paste output when I get back. |
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| 13:08.09 | srg | I have Firefox 38 running on Jessie. youtube.com/html5 says it does not support H.264. What can I do to support it? I googled and found some results saying to install a gstreamer package and some other stuff, but it doesn't seem to exist |
| 13:08.17 | srg | i think the advice I read is for older versions |
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| 13:16.38 | Bremsstrahlung | Back. |
| 13:16.40 | Bremsstrahlung | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/165064/ |
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| 13:21.37 | Bremsstrahlung | I told it "Y", let's hope for the best. |
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| 13:23.00 | Bremsstrahlung | Drats, still not working. |
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| 13:39.28 | TrFaSu | hello |
| 13:39.55 | verri | hi |
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| 13:41.08 | TrFaSu | I installed a software using tar.gz i.e unpacking then compiling n then installing. |
| 13:41.47 | TrFaSu | i even checked for uninstall trigger in makefile but it's not there |
| 13:42.18 | TrFaSu | so i simply removed the place where it was installed |
| 13:42.31 | Rust3dCor3 | Hello. I have a question about debian stable. Is the software inside of it similar to ubuntu 14.04 versions? I don't need newest versions (it needs to work). I wanna migrate to debian. |
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| 13:43.02 | TrFaSu | n even the folder where i unpacked it |
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| 13:44.05 | musca | Rust3dCor3: debian 7 was frozen late in 2012 |
| 13:44.22 | jelly | Rust3dCor3: versions in debian 7 are a year or two older. You might try debian 8 rc2 installer, this release is supposed to come out in a month or so |
| 13:44.42 | Rust3dCor3 | jelly: i assume it will be stable in that time |
| 13:44.44 | TrFaSu | i even used dpkg --force-all --remove foo , it says there is no sodtwareinstalled by this name |
| 13:44.47 | jelly | yes |
| 13:45.03 | Rust3dCor3 | jelly: thank You. ill will install it on my machine |
| 13:45.38 | saptech | I read Debian 8 will be released April 25 |
| 13:45.42 | TrFaSu | so, problem is ,it is still showing files if i use locate "" command though these files are not there |
| 13:45.44 | Rust3dCor3 | jelly: one more question. will there any problems if i will install it like.. now? Os will automagically turn to stable after the month? |
| 13:45.59 | TrFaSu | anyone plzzz |
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| 13:46.29 | jelly | Rust3dCor3: it will become stable, yes, but there might be some minor differences |
| 13:46.43 | Rust3dCor3 | jelly: thank You |
| 13:46.45 | blackflow | TrFaSu: you "installed" something outside of the proper software management tools so naturally Debian has no clue what you did and where is it and what to do with it. |
| 13:46.54 | SynrGy | ? |
| 13:46.56 | SynrGy | no, it's simple ... |
| 13:47.03 | SynrGy | locatedb only gets rebuilt daily |
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| 13:47.26 | musca | Rust3dCor3: you will get latest bugfixes together with security updates with "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade" |
| 13:47.50 | Rust3dCor3 | musca: Thank You |
| 13:47.57 | Rust3dCor3 | now i need to download the iso and migrate :) |
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| 13:48.07 | TrFaSu | @blackflow ya but i found the files and manually deleted them even low level tools like dpkg are showing that it is not installed |
| 13:48.50 | jelly | Rust3dCor3: if you have wireless for network connectivity, you'll probably want the unofficial installer images with firmware |
| 13:49.07 | blackflow | TrFaSu: dpkg wouldn't know about it anyway since it's not in its database. As for locate, what SynrGy said holds, you need to rebuild the db if you want it to stop showing a path |
| 13:49.21 | TrFaSu | blackflow: and i have not restarted yet.. |
| 13:49.34 | Rust3dCor3 | jelly: where i can find them? |
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| 13:49.49 | blackflow | TrFaSu: why would you restart? |
| 13:50.00 | SynrGy | TrFaSu: what does 'restarted' have to do with it? there's a cron job that rebuilds the locatedb |
| 13:50.03 | SynrGy | look for that |
| 13:50.10 | SynrGy | you can even run it manually if you like |
| 13:50.10 | jelly | Rust3dCor3: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/jessie_di_rc2/multi-arch/iso-cd/ without firmware |
| 13:50.20 | Rust3dCor3 | jelly: thank You again |
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| 13:51.02 | jelly | Rust3dCor3: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/jessie_di_rc2/multi-arch/iso-cd/ with firmware |
| 13:51.19 | TrFaSu | blackflow: i m newbeeee so learning |
| 13:51.53 | TrFaSu | SynrGy: what is locatedb? a command |
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| 13:52.37 | blackflow | TrFaSu: alright, so lesson one: don't download and install random tar.gz files from the net outside of the Debian's packaging system unless you really know what you're doing. |
| 13:52.46 | SynrGy | TrFaSu: mlocate |
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| 13:53.08 | SynrGy | 'mlocate.db' |
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| 13:53.34 | SynrGy | see /etc/cron.daily/mlocate/ |
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| 13:53.38 | blackflow | TrFaSu: lesson two: learn to use the man command, in this case about the locate, 'man updatedb' |
| 13:54.55 | TrFaSu | SynrGy: thanks |
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| 13:55.27 | SynrGy | np |
| 13:56.41 | TrFaSu | blackflow: yo! thanks reading .. but is there any way to uninstall a tar.gz installed tool.. i know the way but what about if there is no trigger for uninstall in make file |
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| 13:57.34 | blackflow | TrFaSu: if the Makefile in it does not have an uninstall target, try to find which files it installs and manually remove them. Careful you don't remove something you shouldn't! |
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| 13:58.48 | TrFaSu | blackflow: i checked for the files that tool installed and removed them manually by changing permissions. |
| 13:59.16 | blackflow | TrFaSu: you... what? |
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| 14:00.36 | zh1 | how can i completely remove gnome to install xfce? |
| 14:01.28 | TrFaSu | blackflow: i mean the files that tool installed , my account didnt have the permission to delete them and there was no option like move to trash etc etc |
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| 14:02.47 | Brigo | zh1, apt-get remove gnome && apt-get autoremove |
| 14:02.58 | blackflow | TrFaSu: how did you install it in the first place if you don't have the permission to delete them? and what package is that, btw? |
| 14:03.03 | Brigo | zh1, be carefull about what will you remove with apt-get autoremove. |
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| 14:03.38 | zh1 | Brigo https://wiki.debian.org/Xfce#How_to_install_Xfce will this be better? |
| 14:04.36 | Brigo | zh1, it may be, i didn't try it. |
| 14:05.06 | TrFaSu | blackflow: i installed it using root permissions. first i unpacked it using tar -xvf, then ./configure (default path, no change), then make , then make install |
| 14:05.41 | zh1 | Brigo made now a fresh install of debian but i forgot to put xfce instead of gnome :( |
| 14:05.44 | blackflow | TrFaSu: you will then need root permissions to delete those files (but be VERY careful what you're deleting!). What package is it? |
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| 14:05.59 | rgr | zh1: it doesnt matter its easy to change. |
| 14:06.11 | blackflow | TrFaSu: keep in mind if you're deleting from the command line with the rm command, there's no trash, there's no undo. |
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| 14:06.26 | TrFaSu | blackflow: ZMap, a fast network installer |
| 14:06.27 | Brigo | zh1, don't be sad, the solution is quite simple, as you can see. Just run those commands. |
| 14:06.41 | TrFaSu | blackflow: ZMap, a fast network scanner |
| 14:06.44 | zh1 | Brigo i was running wiki ones |
| 14:06.53 | Brigo | zh1, ok. |
| 14:06.53 | TrFaSu | blackflow: sorry :_P |
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| 14:08.02 | zh1 | Brigo rgr i know stitching this is not hard but normally i think i leave package leftovers |
| 14:08.32 | Brigo | zh1, not really a problem in a fresh install. |
| 14:09.29 | zh1 | its weird too now that i removed gnome and is still at use, im almost xfce4 finished |
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| 14:10.12 | Brigo | zh1, yes, it is :) |
| 14:11.14 | zh1 | gonna logout and try xfce4 |
| 14:11.50 | TrFaSu | blackflow: so, what should i do, reinstall the linux |
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| 14:13.44 | TrFaSu | blackflow: ??? |
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| 14:16.42 | blackflow | TrFaSu: no, you remove those files in the same elevated permission way you installed them (again, being careful what you're deleting as there's no undo). |
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| 14:17.16 | TrFaSu | blackflow: i've done that |
| 14:17.33 | blackflow | TrFaSu: so what's the problem? |
| 14:18.48 | TrFaSu | blackflow: but again mlocate is showing them though they are not there, i've checked them in /usr/local/share/man/man1 |
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| 14:20.17 | TrFaSu | blackflow: it is even showing this /home/TrFaSu/Downloads/zmap-1.2.1 even i removed it.omg! hahaha |
| 14:20.44 | blackflow | TrFaSu: it'll fix itself with the next updatedb pass |
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| 14:22.21 | TrFaSu | blackflow: should i use updatedb -f or plzz suggest anyother parameter |
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| 14:23.17 | blackflow | TrFaSu: no, run /etc/cron.daily/mlocate as it takes care of niceties and locking |
| 14:23.27 | blackflow | you must do that as root |
| 14:24.45 | TrFaSu | blackflow: i didn't get u. |
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| 14:26.04 | blackflow | TrFaSu: the daily cron script /etc/cron.daily/mlocate is taking care of the daily 'locate' database update, so invoke that as root |
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| 14:27.04 | srg | I have a laptop. If I get a hard drive that is the same size as my laptop drive, can I just `dd` the entire drive to the new one to create a working backup in case the current drive crashes? |
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| 14:29.30 | TrFaSu | blackflow: u mean i should run ./etc/cron.daily/mlocate |
| 14:29.42 | blackflow | yeah |
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| 14:32.17 | TrFaSu | blackflow: bash: ./etc/cron.daily/mlocate: No such file or directory |
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| 14:32.57 | puttis | Hi! I am using primarly debian 8.0 and I read somewhere that you should then change to debian wheezy packages but I don't remember it that clearly so could someone suggest me what to do? :) |
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| 14:33.28 | srg | puttis: You can't downgrade from testing/jessie to stable/wheezy |
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| 14:33.53 | puttis | srg but is there possible to have packages that have security updates? |
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| 14:35.13 | TrFaSu | blackflow: done i went up to that directory i.e /etc/cron.daily and then run the script |
| 14:35.18 | jelly | puttis: security updates will commence in about a month or two when debian 8 is actually released |
| 14:35.20 | srg | puttis: Testing/Jessie typically does not get security updates like stable/wheezy does. There's two ways: 1. Security updates are backported from stable (rare), or 2. New versions of packages (with security updates) are put into sid/unstable, then eventually moved into testing. |
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| 14:35.27 | jelly | !wwjr |
| 14:35.28 | dpkg | Debian 8 "Jessie" will release on 2015-4-25; ask me about <wheezy->jessie>. There's plenty of bugs still to squash so ask me about <how-can-i-help>, <jessie freeze>, <jessie pool 1>. See <https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2015/03/msg00016.html> |
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| 14:35.43 | dvs | ??? |
| 14:35.45 | dvs | A date? |
| 14:35.47 | jelly | yes there is date. |
| 14:35.51 | jelly | hi date. |
| 14:36.30 | dvs | But there's only 87 bugs so it's doable |
| 14:36.39 | jelly | dpkg, when will jessie release =~ s/-4-/-04-/ |
| 14:36.40 | dpkg | jelly: OK |
| 14:36.48 | jelly | that irked me SO much |
| 14:36.49 | puttis | Ok! This month already the realease, cool! :) |
| 14:37.23 | srg | That means I'm gonna have a new testing to upgrade to :D |
| 14:37.35 | dvs | heh |
| 14:37.39 | dvs | livin' on the edge |
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| 14:38.04 | dvs | srg: I'd _stretch_ that out as long as I can. |
| 14:38.04 | jelly | srg: you like broken things don't you |
| 14:38.56 | puttis | but hey, thank you guys for the help! |
| 14:39.16 | srg | jelly: lil' bit |
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| 14:39.31 | srg | I've run testing pretty much every time I use debian |
| 14:39.36 | srg | for many years |
| 14:39.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | I thought debian has no dates |
| 14:40.03 | jelly | you thought... incorrectly |
| 14:40.10 | dvs | CutMeOwnThroat: He picked up one now. |
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| 14:40.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | it was true until now! |
| 14:40.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly, let dpkg tell you about <wir> and <siyh> |
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| 14:41.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | pfft... you see that jessie must be a girl... having dates and such |
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| 14:41.27 | Rust3dCor3 | Hi again. Is there any app to extract (or search) data files? I think there is a jpg that i need. |
| 14:41.35 | jelly | yes, other gender kids don't go on dates |
| 14:41.42 | jelly | rolls eyes |
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| 14:43.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | ever seen an etch-a-sketch go on a date? |
| 14:43.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | rolls eyes |
| 14:43.47 | turtlehat | can i make a program in /usr/bin run with root privileges |
| 14:43.53 | turtlehat | always |
| 14:44.09 | turtlehat | without the need to sudo |
| 14:44.14 | Rust3dCor3 | nope |
| 14:44.24 | Rust3dCor3 | you need sudo to access usr folder |
| 14:44.34 | Rust3dCor3 | i mean.. to modify |
| 14:44.42 | dvs | ??? |
| 14:44.49 | turtlehat | yea but i can su once to set the flags for the file or whatever |
| 14:44.55 | Rust3dCor3 | ya. to modify usr folder you must be root. or fake root |
| 14:45.05 | Rust3dCor3 | to read the folder you might be anyone |
| 14:45.09 | turtlehat | yes i dont want to modifu it |
| 14:45.09 | beagleburt | !wir |
| 14:45.10 | dpkg | it has been said that wir is When It's Ready. See also <rsn> and <siyh>. |
| 14:45.14 | dvs | Rust3dCor3: I think turtlehat means to set up a command as root so that anyone can run it and have it look like root. |
| 14:45.22 | turtlehat | dvs has it |
| 14:45.26 | Rust3dCor3 | ok |
| 14:45.43 | beagleburt | !rsn |
| 14:45.43 | dpkg | [rsn] Real Soon Now (see <wir> and <siyh>), or Robust Security Network: the Wi-Fi Alliance's full 802.11i implementation (aka WPA2, see <wpa>). |
| 14:46.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | beagleburt, can you /msg dpkg rsn please? |
| 14:46.10 | turtlehat | dvs, any insight? |
| 14:46.23 | dvs | turtlehat: nope, |
| 14:46.27 | turtlehat | bummer |
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| 14:46.43 | beagleburt | CutMeOwnThroat, sorry - ok |
| 14:46.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | turtlehat, chomod u+s /usr/bin/whatever --- take care, also might not work with scripts |
| 14:47.05 | dvs | chomod? |
| 14:47.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | chmod |
| 14:47.17 | turtlehat | thanks CutMeOwnThroat |
| 14:47.17 | turtlehat | got it |
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| 14:49.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | turtlehat, runs the program as the user (or group) the program file is owned by, not the user that runs it. should be called suid-bit and I find it funny that I cannot find it in "man chmod" |
| 14:49.45 | turtlehat | yea i gave it a google |
| 14:49.54 | turtlehat | thanks it works splendidly |
| 14:50.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | but you should probably put that in /usr/local/bin or /opt/bin or something like that... and leave /usr/bin as the packages install it |
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| 14:51.04 | turtlehat | im a rebel |
| 14:51.06 | turtlehat | :p |
| 14:51.14 | turtlehat | ok ill keep that in mind |
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| 14:54.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | turtlehat, with the definition of "rebel" as someone who spends hours and hours of trying to find out why something has stopped working? |
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| 14:54.31 | turtlehat | more like a advanced total noob |
| 14:54.34 | turtlehat | but yes |
| 14:54.37 | turtlehat | sometimes i do that |
| 14:54.50 | turtlehat | but not just cause i place files where they dont belong |
| 14:55.05 | turtlehat | also because i write in configs and forget which configs i wrote in |
| 14:55.11 | turtlehat | and install things that conflict |
| 14:55.13 | turtlehat | and whatnot |
| 14:55.20 | turtlehat | im getting better though |
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| 14:55.30 | turtlehat | im taking pills now |
| 14:55.31 | desrt | i'd strongly recommend against changing random programs to be u+s |
| 14:55.42 | turtlehat | its not a random program |
| 14:55.54 | turtlehat | and this machine serves a single purpose and is not connected to a network |
| 14:56.00 | turtlehat | security is not a concern |
| 14:56.09 | desrt | there are a whole class of attacks that can be launched against setuid programs that are not written with this sort of security in mind... lots of things can be influenced via environment variables, etc. |
| 14:56.21 | desrt | very well |
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| 14:56.37 | desrt | just log in as root, then? :) |
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| 14:57.18 | Agiofws | hey |
| 14:57.36 | turtlehat | i have it logging in as a regular user and have everything set up, this seemed like the easier option |
| 14:58.49 | desrt | turtlehat: fair enough... i just want to stress that you should really really not assume _any_ level of security under this sort of setup |
| 14:59.27 | Agiofws | i've installed win 7 on this system of mine but i'm having bsods, which is not happening in linux, someone told me it could be a memory issue/fault could that be true? if debian is not hanging... ? |
| 14:59.27 | desrt | ie: assume that the user now has the ability to run arbitrary commands as root |
| 14:59.48 | turtlehat | desrt, "its a hack" got it :D |
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| 15:04.54 | somiaj | Agiofws: look at memtest86 if you think it is memeory. |
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| 15:05.31 | Agiofws | memtest86 runs only while boot? |
| 15:05.41 | Agiofws | Usage: memtester [-p physaddrbase] <mem>[B|K|M|G] [loops] ? |
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| 15:06.18 | somiaj | Agiofws: correct, once you isntall it from debian it adds a boot option to grub. Reboot into it and let it run for many hours (2-3 passes of memory minium) |
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| 15:06.39 | somiaj | Agiofws: note this only test memeory. If it is your gpu or some other hardware that is causing windows to choke, you'll have to do more testing. |
| 15:07.14 | Agiofws | i don't have and will not spend 2-3h on winblows sorry :) |
| 15:07.24 | bthomas | Hi, I just installed Jessie on a Thinkpad x131e chromebook (after reflashing the bios with coreboot / SeaBios ). Everything seems working. There is no desktop installed. However pm-suspend does not work even though pm-hibernate does. pm-suspend does seem to enter the sleep state but when resuming the laptop goes through a normal boot rather than resuming from ram. Will be grateful for any hints on what could be wrong ? |
| 15:07.28 | Agiofws | but thank you |
| 15:08.11 | somiaj | Agiofws: I'm saying spend 2-3 hours on memtest86 to test your memory. |
| 15:08.25 | dvs | Agiofws: mand memtest86 is not a Windows program |
| 15:08.35 | Agiofws | i know... |
| 15:08.42 | valdyn | bthomas: how are you resuming? |
| 15:09.32 | bthomas | valdyn: by pressing any key, opening the lid or pressing the power button -- all yield same result |
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| 15:10.26 | valdyn | bthomas: whats your current kernel? |
| 15:11.00 | bthomas | valdyn: it is the default 3.16.0-4-amd64 (have not yet built a custom one) |
| 15:11.26 | valdyn | bthomas: remove the wlan driver and retest |
| 15:11.54 | bthomas | valdyn: thanks will try that |
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| 15:12.13 | valdyn | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=689516 |
| 15:12.33 | valdyn | bthomas: ^^ but thats reported for the kernel 3.2 from wheezy, |
| 15:12.43 | bthomas | ahh.. but no crash for me |
| 15:12.48 | bthomas | seems to be fixed |
| 15:12.57 | valdyn | bthomas: not really |
| 15:13.01 | valdyn | bthomas: you crashed |
| 15:13.12 | valdyn | bthomas: otherwise it would not load the kernel when resuming... |
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| 15:19.18 | shay_shay | Hi |
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| 15:21.40 | shay_shay | 0.0 |
| 15:22.22 | beagleburt | shay_shay, G'day from New Zealand - what's up? |
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| 15:26.40 | shay_shay | I'm just here to listen to peoples questions and other peoples answers. I learn some things this way, some times. |
| 15:27.11 | beagleburt | shay_shay, me too |
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| 15:27.58 | shay_shay | Usually I could fix things in person but I can't explain to another person how to do it. its a troubleshooting process only my fingers seem to know |
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| 15:28.53 | shay_shay | So hearing other people explain things helps in learning how to explain things :P |
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| 15:29.23 | donofrio | what is the power pc channel (I tried oftc but it's a dead group no topic no others) |
| 15:30.33 | valdyn | !ppc |
| 15:30.33 | dpkg | PowerPC is a <RISC> architecture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC). See "Debian for PowerPC" at http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc . Debian CDs are not (and cannot be made) bootable on Old World PowerMacs. Information on proper partitioning is at http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/doc/mac-fdisk-basics.txt . See also <macsound>, <yaboot>, <quik>, <bootx>, <ppc64>. #debianppc on irc.oftc.net and irc.freenode.net. |
| 15:30.43 | somiaj | donofrio: did you do #debianppc (no dash in it) |
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| 15:35.43 | donofrio | thats better 12 people there.....humm would be nice if this channel did both arch types....does that mean folks who do debian on arm go somewhere else? |
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| 15:38.16 | jelly | !arm |
| 15:38.16 | dpkg | Advanced RISC Machine (ARM) is a processor architecture. The Debian arm port was deprecated at 5.0 "Lenny" with official support dropped at 6.0 "Squeeze", ask me about <armel> for the replacement port. See also <armhf>. http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ For help with Debian on ARM systems, join #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 15:39.03 | gumus | hi all. I'm encountering a problem on Debian Wheezy. As soon as I touch the touchoad debian sessions logs me out. Do you have any idea about how to fix it = |
| 15:40.09 | Rust3dCor3 | the only things on my mind are mouse gestures and a *feature* |
| 15:40.31 | Rust3dCor3 | have you done an update via some backport ppa? |
| 15:40.43 | desrt | gumus: sounds a bit like your X server is crashing. maybe check in /var/X.0.log.old for messages |
| 15:40.45 | Rust3dCor3 | or did you mess with drivers |
| 15:40.51 | desrt | gumus: they'd be right at the end |
| 15:41.07 | gumus | I'm taking a look at it . |
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| 15:43.02 | gumus_ | I got logged off accidentaly. Can you pleae repeat what you've said about the touchpad problem ? |
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| 15:43.21 | desrt | gumus: i suggested looking at /var/log/X.0.log.old |
| 15:43.35 | desrt | i suspect your problem is that your X server is crashing and maybe there is a message about why |
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| 15:44.03 | desrt | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:44.08 | shay_shay | wow #debian-arm is reasonably populated |
| 15:46.03 | gumus_ | desrt: what should I be looking for? |
| 15:46.13 | gumus_ | oh I see |
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| 15:46.16 | desrt | gumus_: the very end will tell the story |
| 15:46.35 | desrt | either it will say "Server terminated successfully (0). Closing log file." with no error messages above (and then you should look elsewhere) |
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| 15:46.43 | desrt | else, it will have some error messages that may point towards the problem |
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| 15:47.27 | gumus_ | desrt: I've found something about Synaptics |
| 15:48.31 | desrt | gumus_: maybe pastebin the contents? |
| 15:48.50 | gumus_ | desrt: ok. Can you help me with that? I'm a beginner |
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| 15:49.40 | desrt | gumus_: you can install a command called 'pastebinit' |
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| 15:50.03 | desrt | (sudo apt install pastebinit' |
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| 15:50.12 | desrt | erm. without the ( and ' :) |
| 15:50.20 | gumus_ | desrt: http://pastebin.com/fW9rFz5x |
| 15:50.40 | desrt | gumus_: is that the end part? |
| 15:50.47 | desrt | and you did the .old file? |
| 15:50.57 | gumus_ | desrt: nope. not the very end. |
| 15:51.05 | desrt | the end part is the interesting part :) |
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| 15:51.15 | desrt | just do the entire file: pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old |
| 15:51.25 | TrFaSu | I've removed all files for a package that i installed using tar.gz . I went up to uninstall it using make uninstall but there is no target "uninstall" there so i manually removed those installed file in /usr/local of that software also removed it , its /etc entry, the directory i unpacked. The problem is that i am seeing some files if i type mlocate of that software even though those... |
| 15:51.27 | TrFaSu | ...files are not there |
| 15:51.33 | TrFaSu | help pllzzzz |
| 15:51.36 | TrFaSu | anyone |
| 15:51.42 | gumus_ | desrt: ok |
| 15:52.20 | somiaj | TrFaSu: locate requires you updated the database again after your filesystem has changed (it looks in a database not the file system because it is faster that way) |
| 15:52.20 | valdyn | TrFaSu: locate uses a database, not the actual files |
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| 15:52.57 | gumus_ | desrt: http://paste.debian.net/165074/ |
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| 15:53.33 | TrFaSu | valdyn: somiaj: so how to update the database? |
| 15:53.56 | valdyn | TrFaSu: you run "updatedb", usually as root |
| 15:53.58 | somiaj | TrFaSu: check the manpage, I forget the command. for traditional locate I belive it was 'updatedb' but not positive since I don't use locate. |
| 15:54.17 | TrFaSu | valdyn: with what option |
| 15:54.23 | valdyn | TrFaSu: no option |
| 15:54.38 | valdyn | TrFaSu: theres a cron job, you can run the cronjob directly too |
| 15:55.15 | srg | What's a good screenlocker/screensaver for Jessie? I'm using lxde. Is xscreensaver still used/good? |
| 15:55.51 | valdyn | srg: ctrl-l does nothing? |
| 15:55.52 | TrFaSu | valdyn: i run that /etc/cron.daily/mlocate as root but no change there |
| 15:56.01 | srg | valdyn: nope, does nothing. |
| 15:56.09 | gumus_ | desrt: any idea ? |
| 15:56.21 | srg | My screen just blanks when idle for a period of time. When I move the mouse, it comes back. |
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| 15:56.24 | valdyn | srg: just wondering, i dont really know lxde, xscreensaver still works anyway |
| 15:56.24 | srg | No password or anything. |
| 15:56.39 | srg | ok, I'll use xscreensaver |
| 15:56.41 | srg | thanks |
| 15:57.24 | somiaj | srg: xlockmore is another popular choice |
| 15:57.34 | valdyn | TrFaSu: that is the job that updates the database. |
| 15:58.21 | TrFaSu | valdyn: i run updatedb . hell! now it is showing more files |
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| 16:01.01 | keltim | does anyone know of a way to disable bluetooth idle disconnects globally? The source doesn't seem to have an option to ... don't see any module params ... rather per device, but globally would work. I don't understand how anyone can put up with this |
| 16:01.57 | cSc` | keltim, im not familiar with bluetooth on linux, but do you have any power saving daemons/software running? |
| 16:01.58 | valdyn | keltim: /etc/bluetooth/input.conf ? |
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| 16:02.24 | TrFaSu | valdyn: how to uninstall package installed using tar.gz and it doesnot have "uninstall" trigger or target in makefile |
| 16:02.42 | valdyn | TrFaSu: remove the files |
| 16:02.46 | keltim | no it's not that ... I don't think. I'm referring to headphones in particular, can't find any options for config anywhere. Made some dumb guesses that don't work though :) |
| 16:03.11 | valdyn | keltim: have you tried? |
| 16:03.15 | keltim | cSc`, I'm pretty sure bluetooth does it's own power management thing |
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| 16:03.52 | cSc` | keltim, /me shrugs. Again, i've never done anything with bluetooth and linux that wasn't proprietary |
| 16:03.59 | TrFaSu | valdyn: i did that but when i run updatedb and again checked mlocate it is showing the files even from trash |
| 16:04.01 | keltim | valdyn, yes, tried disabling all power management ... but perhaps I did incorrectly? is there a module I can blacklist to test that? |
| 16:04.15 | valdyn | TrFaSu: so the files are in trash |
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| 16:04.59 | valdyn | ls |
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| 16:06.01 | keltim | valdyn, n/m I see. Will try disabling acpi, but bluetooth protocol does it's own thing I'm almost certain ... |
| 16:06.34 | TrFaSu | valdyn: ya! should i delete them completely. i mean these files are actually the unpacked folder from tar.gz |
| 16:07.12 | valdyn | TrFaSu: is that a question? why would you ask that? |
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| 16:09.09 | TrFaSu | valdyn: because i was still seeing some files even i have removed them . i have also removed the intalledfiles of that software in /usr/local etc but as soon as i run mlocate i mstill seeing them |
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| 16:09.48 | valdyn | TrFaSu: you're proposing that mlocate is inventing files |
| 16:09.55 | valdyn | TrFaSu: thats probably nonsense |
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| 16:10.10 | somiaj | TrFaSu: are you seeing the files in their actual location? Or are you seeing them in a trash directory? |
| 16:10.13 | valdyn | TrFaSu: so this in a shell, log it, paste it in a pastebin |
| 16:10.15 | TrFaSu | valdyn: gotcha! n sorry updatedb worked. now i am not seeing any |
| 16:10.41 | iWaldo | if i install jessie RC 2 will my install become "stable" when jessie is made stable? |
| 16:10.46 | TrFaSu | valdyn: thanxxx linux newbeeee |
| 16:10.51 | valdyn | iWaldo: yes |
| 16:10.59 | somiaj | iWaldo: provided you use 'jessie' in your sources.list and not 'testing' |
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| 16:11.02 | iWaldo | thanks valdyn, i kind of thought so |
| 16:11.06 | iWaldo | yeah it's jessie |
| 16:11.21 | somiaj | iWaldo: note, jessie is frozen so between now and the time jessie is stable you'll only get bug fixes, and I think the rc bugs are below 100 right now. |
| 16:11.48 | keltim | iWaldo, of course, but upgrades in the mean time can be frustrating, ymmv |
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| 16:11.53 | iWaldo | iirc a while back the default in sources.list was "stable main contrib..." or "testing..." or "sid..." |
| 16:12.05 | iWaldo | but now it seems to ship with waldorf or jessie or what have youy |
| 16:12.16 | valdyn | iWaldo: its better to use the nicknames |
| 16:12.30 | valdyn | iWaldo: a while ago some default debian installers did that wrong indeed |
| 16:12.31 | iWaldo | valdyn: agreed, and thanks again for the info! |
| 16:12.45 | valdyn | (actually years ago..) |
| 16:12.52 | somiaj | iWaldo: it has always been better to use codenames since codenames are fixed, the oldstable, stable, testing, are just links. |
| 16:13.09 | somiaj | but yes the installers didn't do what is best. |
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| 16:14.13 | gm_ | desrt: no idea? |
| 16:14.35 | gm_ | I'm having problem with touchpad. As soon as I touch it, sessions logs out |
| 16:14.42 | gm_ | how can i fix it ? |
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| 16:16.07 | rtur | don't touch it :P |
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| 16:17.09 | somiaj | gm_: look for errors in your logs, identify which one is the culprit then search for the error in google. |
| 16:19.06 | TrFaSu | valdyn: is uninstalling json-c safe? i mean during apt-get remove libjson0 libjson0-dev , it says "The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 16:19.07 | TrFaSu | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:19.09 | TrFaSu | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:19.10 | TrFaSu | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:19.12 | TrFaSu | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:19.13 | TrFaSu | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:19.15 | TrFaSu | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:19.16 | TrFaSu | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:19.18 | TrFaSu | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:19.19 | TrFaSu | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:19.21 | TrFaSu | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:19.22 | TrFaSu | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:19.25 | TrFaSu | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:19.42 | mjt | whee |
| 16:19.42 | n0d3 | dafuq |
| 16:19.47 | n0d3 | pastebin man |
| 16:19.57 | gm_ | somiaj: http://paste.debian.net/165079/ I can't make any sense of it |
| 16:20.17 | valdyn | TrFaSu: obviously not |
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| 16:21.07 | valdyn | TrFaSu: but that stuff is triggered by something else, not libjson0 removal |
| 16:21.42 | TrFaSu | valdyn: means?? |
| 16:22.03 | valdyn | TrFaSu: it means your system is badly maintained, run "apt-get -s -f install" |
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| 16:22.11 | gms | somiaj: can you help me with that? |
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| 16:22.24 | somiaj | gm_: for hardware looking at demsg can be more usefult han the xorg log since that is where hardware errors are spouted out. I don't see anything poping out in those logs |
| 16:23.02 | Guest56626 | somiaj: demsg |
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| 16:23.23 | valdyn | gm_: that log is incomplete |
| 16:23.35 | TrFaSu | valdyn: no problem found 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 4 not upgraded. |
| 16:23.53 | valdyn | TrFaSu: so upgrade |
| 16:24.08 | TrFaSu | valdyn: ok |
| 16:24.43 | Guest56626 | valdyn: what I did was pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old |
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| 16:25.24 | Guest56626 | somiaj: how can I access demsg |
| 16:25.27 | TrFaSu | valdyn: i think chrome n ice weasel n metasploit is asking google-chrome-stable iceweasel metasploit metasploit-framework |
| 16:25.43 | valdyn | judd: versions metasploit |
| 16:25.44 | judd | No package named 'metasploit' was found in i386. |
| 16:25.48 | valdyn | TrFaSu: not in debian |
| 16:26.20 | somiaj | Guest56626: dmesg (sorry I had a typo) |
| 16:26.28 | TrFaSu | valdyn: i m on debian. kali 1.1.0 |
| 16:26.41 | valdyn | TrFaSu: kali is not debian |
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| 16:27.10 | TrFaSu | valdyn: kali it is debian based |
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| 16:27.23 | valdyn | TrFaSu: this channel is for #debian. Im giving you *wrong* advice because im assuming you run debian. |
| 16:27.35 | valdyn | TrFaSu: use the proper channel for your distro |
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| 16:28.00 | valdyn | TrFaSu: CO is based on CO2, go breath it |
| 16:28.05 | Guest56626 | somiaj: I can't pastebin it |
| 16:28.25 | somiaj | Guest56626: dmesg > file.text |
| 16:28.28 | valdyn | actually that one works better with just O |
| 16:28.44 | TrFaSu | valdyn: :-D |
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| 16:29.12 | valdyn | TrFaSu: it appears your distro uses libjson1 where debian is at libjson-c2 |
| 16:29.48 | valdyn | TrFaSu: so, just dont remove that package anyway |
| 16:30.01 | TrFaSu | valdyn: ok thnksss |
| 16:30.17 | TrFaSu | valdyn: moreover do u know about zmap? |
| 16:30.39 | s_i_m | chemically speaking, CO2 is based on CO, I would say :) |
| 16:30.42 | Guest56626 | somiaj: http://paste.debian.net/165082/ |
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| 16:36.24 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps |
| 16:36.34 | Eryn_1983_FL | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:36.56 | Eryn_1983_FL | are you guys telling the public you should redo your keys, you are vulnerable? |
| 16:37.04 | Eryn_1983_FL | if so where/how |
| 16:37.20 | Eryn_1983_FL | cause i have seen /alot/ of updates to ssl, |
| 16:37.32 | Eryn_1983_FL | i know about heart bleed, but this has been after, |
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| 16:41.35 | cryosphere | so I was able to establish a vpn connection for some work related stuff - but I'm sure what I'm supposed to with - just ssh to that port? |
| 16:41.42 | cryosphere | *NOt sure |
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| 16:43.18 | valdyn | Eryn_1983_FL: one has got nothing to do with the other. An openssl bug does not imply that the key is broken. |
| 16:43.25 | somiaj | Guest56626: after you touch your touchpad, and the system crashes do you reboot? Or just restart X. I may need to look at /var/log/messages to see old dmesg errors. Nothing touchpad relaeted is showing since you have probabaly rebooted. |
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| 16:43.45 | An_Ony_Moose | https://gist.github.com/Anonymooseable/e810c7668668dda806a5 How do I write my /etc/network/interfaces in such a way that it doesn't create the route for eth0 as it does in here? |
| 16:45.03 | Skyrider | if someone could PM me about it, appreciate it seeing I'm barely around.. I'm having issues with creating a user FTP account with proftpd. |
| 16:45.11 | Skyrider | getting: Error:Critical error: Could not connect to server |
| 16:45.17 | An_Ony_Moose | Oh right, should the netmask for eth0 be 128? |
| 16:45.22 | Skyrider | it says login incorrect, while the user/pass is correct. |
| 16:45.33 | Skyrider | Is there a setting to allow FTP in sshd or proftpd? |
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| 16:45.59 | valdyn | An_Ony_Moose: why have an ip on eth0 when you dont want a route on it? |
| 16:46.30 | An_Ony_Moose | valdyn: because that's its public IP |
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| 16:46.48 | valdyn | An_Ony_Moose: so? |
| 16:47.02 | valdyn | An_Ony_Moose: then set the proper gateway? |
| 16:47.13 | somiaj | Skyrider: the major error I see is 'could not connect to server'. Is the server running, are you using the correct port? |
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| 16:47.51 | An_Ony_Moose | valdyn: so actually just remove the address line from eth0? |
| 16:48.01 | valdyn | An_Ony_Moose: no, i dont know what you want |
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| 16:48.43 | valdyn | An_Ony_Moose: and that makes it kind of hard to know what you need to do to achieve it |
| 16:48.48 | An_Ony_Moose | valdyn: I don't want the "2001:db8::/64 dev eth0 proto kernel metric 256" route to be created |
| 16:48.59 | valdyn | An_Ony_Moose: why do you need eth0 then? |
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| 16:49.27 | An_Ony_Moose | valdyn: for access to the rest of the internet |
| 16:49.32 | valdyn | An_Ony_Moose: the netmask specifies which ips are directly reachable |
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| 16:49.50 | valdyn | An_Ony_Moose: if no ip is directly reachable, then whats the point of having an ip on it? |
| 16:50.30 | An_Ony_Moose | being able to reach it from the internet |
| 16:50.39 | valdyn | An_Ony_Moose: or in other words, if theres nothing you can reach, whats the point of having a network? |
| 16:50.58 | valdyn | An_Ony_Moose: packets coming in requires packets being able to go out |
| 16:51.13 | valdyn | An_Ony_Moose: but not having a route implies that nothing can get out |
| 16:51.23 | Skyrider | somiaj: yes, server is running. |
| 16:51.26 | Skyrider | port is correct. |
| 16:51.35 | Skyrider | if the server wouldnt be running, it would not connect |
| 16:51.49 | Skyrider | I see |
| 16:51.50 | Skyrider | "Status:Insecure server, it does not support FTP over TLS." |
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| 16:51.52 | An_Ony_Moose | valdyn: I want the default route to be via fe80::1 on eth0, but I don't want the 2001:db8/64 route on eth0. Did you see https://gist.github.com/Anonymooseable/e810c7668668dda806a5 which I posted with my question originally? |
| 16:51.53 | Skyrider | how do I change that |
| 16:52.29 | somiaj | Skyrider: I don't use ftp, but to me cannot connect to server is differen't than cannot login which is the error I saw. |
| 16:53.20 | Rust3dCor3 | Hi again! What GPU manufacturer makes cards that work well under linux? |
| 16:53.38 | jelly | Rust3dCor3: nvidia |
| 16:53.47 | Rust3dCor3 | jelly: Thank You :) |
| 16:53.50 | valdyn | An_Ony_Moose: netmask 128 then |
| 16:53.57 | somiaj | the intel ones work well too, if you aren't inrested in lots of 3d |
| 16:54.03 | jelly | Rust3dCor3: intel, IF you're lucky |
| 16:54.05 | somiaj | but for video and stuff they are fine. |
| 16:54.13 | An_Ony_Moose | valdyn: right, that's what I thought. Thanks :) |
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| 16:54.25 | jelly | somiaj: yeah, right until 2 years from now when regressions start creeping in |
| 16:55.02 | somiaj | jelly: guess I haven't had much issues with my intel cards on my laptop. Though I don't use it for more than a simple wm. |
| 16:55.28 | jelly | I've had that experience with i915, then i965 and G43/G45, then lost interest in guessing the correct versions of everything to make intel work |
| 16:55.48 | rgr | Ive been using Intel HD for a while now : excellent. And since you probably arent using Linux as a gaming PC its really not much of an issue but stuff like HL2 and OpenArena run fine. Forget ATI no matter what people tell you - they are a pain. Nvidia is the way to go : their working with Valve/Steam a good thing sto. |
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| 16:56.32 | jelly | rgr: just wait until your cpu/gpu is 3+ years old and video-intel people invent yet another acceleration method :-| |
| 16:57.15 | blackflow | jelly: no need to wait. Vulcan is already here :) |
| 16:57.20 | jelly | XAA, EXA, UXA, fuckit |
| 16:57.33 | blackflow | *Vulkan |
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| 16:58.14 | jelly | maybe nvidia keeps their driver closed as hell, but at least it works for most common usage scenarios |
| 16:59.01 | iWaldo | any suggestions for a remote graphical login besides VNC? |
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| 16:59.34 | valdyn | learn to use the cli |
| 16:59.40 | iWaldo | i've got putty for that |
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| 17:00.23 | valdyn | iWaldo: ssh -X ? |
| 17:00.34 | iWaldo | i remember doing that back in my school days |
| 17:00.35 | jelly | iWaldo: xrdp? |
| 17:00.40 | iWaldo | and it was laggy as hell |
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| 17:00.47 | iWaldo | RDP work pretty well? |
| 17:00.58 | valdyn | iWaldo: what do you want to do with a graphical login? |
| 17:01.02 | jelly | dunno, but it exists |
| 17:01.30 | iWaldo | setting up a home server+media center |
| 17:02.15 | jelly | you don't need to log in graphically to set things up |
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| 17:02.41 | valdyn | iWaldo: still dont get it, there's such distros, they have a web interface, theres debian, where a gui makes no sense for such things |
| 17:03.04 | iWaldo | hmm, i guess i just went with debian because it is what i've used for a while |
| 17:03.06 | jelly | iWaldo: everything can be set up via ssh; however, testing the media center will be done with a gui |
| 17:03.34 | valdyn | iWaldo: server + media center in one box btw? |
| 17:03.51 | iWaldo | yeah |
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| 17:07.04 | valdyn | iWaldo: all of them, rdp, vnc, ssh -X should be plenty fast in your home network |
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| 17:22.59 | srg | Maybe I should move my server from "testing" -> "jessie", so when jessie is released, it wont follow the next testing... |
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| 17:25.49 | srg | Or is testing ok to run on a VPS that I use daily for irc and email and all? |
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| 17:39.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | srg, kernel updates... might be required at some time |
| 17:40.26 | srg | CutMeOwnThroat: Oh yeah, I'm fine rebooting it |
| 17:40.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | you usually cannot choose your own kernel on a vps? |
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| 17:41.22 | srg | CutMeOwnThroat: This one I can...I guess they use a different hypervisor. I configed it with wheezy and then upgraded to testing myself and it works fine on the new kernel |
| 17:41.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | and uname shows you're indeed using the new kernel? |
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| 17:43.40 | srg | CutMeOwnThroat: Linux athena.guglielmo.us 2.6.32-042stab103.6 #1 SMP Wed Jan 21 13:07:39 MSK 2015 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 17:43.57 | srg | That's the new one for testing ,right? |
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| 17:46.38 | srg | oh wait, no it's not |
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| 17:47.27 | teraflop | you can use your own kernel in e.g KVM |
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| 17:54.20 | kWO901 | how to uninstall a program that was installed with 'make install' ? |
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| 17:56.45 | sister_ray | kWO901: check if there is an uninstall rule in the Makefile |
| 17:56.50 | sister_ray | if not you'll have to do it manually |
| 17:57.08 | htqp | or next time use checkinstall instead of make install |
| 17:57.13 | htqp | OR install into a chroot |
| 17:57.52 | Eryn_1983_FL | guys for some reason i see the wrong time in my logs, |
| 17:58.05 | Eryn_1983_FL | its 8 am instead of 13 |
| 17:58.10 | srg | Do you see the wrong time when you `date` |
| 17:58.14 | Eryn_1983_FL | my date command come back right |
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| 17:58.46 | kWO901 | sister_ray: ok |
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| 17:59.57 | Eryn_1983_FL | and transmission keeps crashing and i am waitng to pull my hair out but it hurts |
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| 18:08.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | kWO901, or install with --prefix=/usr/local/softwarename-version/ and then make soft-links for everything needed in bin and lib... (also see the package "stow" ) |
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| 18:14.06 | _abc_ | Hello. How exactly does one tell aptitude and the package manager in general on debian what repositories to use online? |
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| 18:15.40 | _abc_ | Is it the same as for apt-get etc? /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 18:17.02 | _abc_ | Also will the gui package manager in the kde based debian release wheezy pick up the changes if I edit the /etc/apt/sources.list? The gui package manager is very very short on docs. |
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| 18:19.30 | kWO901 | CutMeOwnThroat: thx |
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| 18:21.00 | kWO901 | As Im trying to install a program, i get this error: common.mak:100: *** Cannot find development files for any supported version of libnl. install either libnl1 or libnl3.. Stop. |
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| 18:22.12 | htqp | _abc_: yes apt-get aptitude synaptic etc... all use the same /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list |
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| 18:22.20 | kWO901 | I have installed.... libnl-dev ; libnl-3-dev and libnl-genl-3-dev. still get the same error |
| 18:22.27 | teknite | without physical access to my server is there a way to check if it has dvi output? would lshw tell me this? |
| 18:22.42 | htqp | _abc_: of course, after you change the sources.list, you update the package lists (apt-get update) |
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| 18:24.24 | _abc_ | okay. It was not AT ALL clear from the docs. |
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| 18:25.49 | _abc_ | Another: where is the directory and file structure of a Debian online repository documented? There are a few things I don't follow there. |
| 18:26.21 | _abc_ | I.e. the hierarchies under http://ftp.bg.debian.org/debian/ etc |
| 18:26.25 | _abc_ | (example site) |
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| 18:32.18 | htqp | _abc_: I don't know, duckduckgo'ing for "debian custom repository" yields https://wiki.debian.org/RepositoryFormat -- is what you needed? |
| 18:32.39 | htqp | let's see if dpkg knows smth |
| 18:32.43 | htqp | !repository |
| 18:32.43 | dpkg | A Debian repository is a set of Debian packages organized into a predefined structure for fetching with <apt>. A HOWTO (outdated since <secure apt>) is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto . Ask me about <list repositories>. |
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| 18:34.47 | _abc_ | htqp: No. But the Apt-get Howto explains what is needed. |
| 18:35.00 | rigor789 | Hey, not sure if this is on topic here, but I have some network issues with linux deepin |
| 18:35.12 | _abc_ | deepin? >;) |
| 18:35.17 | rigor789 | Yep |
| 18:35.55 | rigor789 | Basically, worked fine, then after a reboot no network at all |
| 18:36.01 | rigor789 | booted to different kernel |
| 18:36.04 | rigor789 | it works here |
| 18:36.17 | rigor789 | reinstallled the other kernel with apt, and still no network |
| 18:36.24 | rigor789 | Out of ideas what I can do |
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| 18:37.14 | rigor789 | Kernel that worked, and doesn't work anymore: 3.16.0-33-generic, one that works (i'm currently on): 3.13.0-48-generic |
| 18:37.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, hiweed |
| 18:37.16 | dpkg | Hiweed Linux is a Chinese GNU/Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu>, preconfigured with chinese applications, input methods, dictionaries and fonts. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.hiweed.com/ Forum: http://www.hiweed.com/forum |
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| 18:37.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | (deepin was called hiweed before) |
| 18:38.20 | rigor789 | CutMeOwnThroat alright, well thought I'd ask, wasn't sure about it |
| 18:38.57 | rigor789 | Any ideas where should I ask? |
| 18:39.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | seems they have no irc channel, only that forum? |
| 18:39.23 | htqp | reproduce the problem on ubuntu 14.10 or ubuntu 14.04 + 14.10 Hardware Enablement Stack (both have kernel 3.16) then ask to channel #ubuntu |
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| 18:40.03 | htqp | note that ubuntu 14.04 has kernel 3.13 BUT the HWE brings 14.10 kernel and X to 14.04 so.. I guess your linux deepin is basically preinstalling the HWE since you have both kernels available |
| 18:40.20 | rigor789 | CutMeOwnThroat I guess, I'll try there |
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| 18:40.28 | rigor789 | htqp not sure how to reproduce the problem |
| 18:40.41 | rigor789 | No idea what changed that made networking unavailable |
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| 18:41.23 | htqp | it's sufficient to boot an ubuntu that works, boot an ubuntu that does not work, then technically it's a bug called 'regression' |
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| 18:41.55 | baldybadgers | could someone help me compile some C++ code here are my errors http://pastebin.com/eTV4WVBf and this is what im trying to compile https://github.com/thisgamesux/linux-csgo-external im using debian wheezey |
| 18:47.19 | somiaj | baldybadgers: might be better help on a cpp (I think it is ##cpp) channel, or from the person who wrote the code. The error is in the code it seems. |
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| 18:47.50 | somiaj | htqp: this is #debian, I would ask their support what constitues a regression bug or to check. |
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| 18:48.20 | valdyn | baldybadgers: #include <sys/uio.h> |
| 18:48.43 | valdyn | baldybadgers: ^^ not included for whatever reason, but thats a bug in the code or the config tool(s) |
| 18:49.03 | htqp | (I thought regression was universally known to mean that among the programmer community, as one can see on every bugzilla and also on ubuntu's official launchpad.net, but anyway.) |
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| 18:51.45 | _abc_ | htqp: What you described is not regression but bit rot ;) |
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| 19:26.26 | tytan | Hello, everyone. I just upgraded to Debian 7.8 (clean install on software raid1) and my HDDs make a regular clicking noise about every second. What is it? it was silent yesterday with debian 6 :( |
| 19:26.59 | idosedthekoolaid | uh oh. sounds like bad timing |
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| 19:27.07 | tytan | ? |
| 19:27.37 | petemc | tytan: clicking can be a drive telling you it's about to fail |
| 19:27.41 | petemc | or it could be nothing |
| 19:27.57 | tytan | It are new 3TB WD Black drives |
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| 19:28.36 | petemc | then you should be able to return it if it does fail |
| 19:28.40 | jelly | tytan: do you have hdparm installed? |
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| 19:30.58 | tytan | nope. I'd need to configure sources.list before |
| 19:32.33 | tytan | Do you thing samba is causing it to do that? |
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| 19:34.05 | petemc | im sure your hard disk doesnt care which particular program initiates disk access, it will click regardless |
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| 19:34.57 | lefedy | Hello... quick question... I upgraded to debian 8 and the bottom bar that is normally hidden will not unhide... is there a new way to unhide it? |
| 19:35.02 | tytan | the clicking frequency changes every restart |
| 19:35.22 | tytan | lefedy whick desktop environment are you using? :) |
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| 19:35.26 | tytan | *which |
| 19:35.28 | lefedy | Oh, sorry. Gnome |
| 19:35.48 | lefedy | Gnome Shell |
| 19:35.53 | lefedy | Whatever it's called now |
| 19:35.55 | keltim | tytan, run the SMART test on it |
| 19:36.00 | tytan | how? |
| 19:37.01 | lefedy | tytan: It used to appear at the bottom when the mouse was moved to the bottom right corner of the screen. |
| 19:37.04 | keltim | tytan, I believe smartctl --test=long /dev/device_name will tell you |
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| 19:37.19 | petemc | or not |
| 19:37.22 | mtn | lefedy: hit the super key or activities and it sould show |
| 19:37.27 | mtn | should |
| 19:37.35 | tytan | keltim So I need to check sda and sdb instead of md0 and md1, right? |
| 19:37.42 | keltim | tytan, yes |
| 19:37.55 | lefedy | mtn: Yep, there we go, it lights up and you have to click it. Thank you! |
| 19:38.04 | mtn | lefedy: welcome |
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| 19:39.02 | tytan | keltim It tells me that SMART is disabled. But I could turn it on |
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| 19:40.04 | tytan | 255 minutes to complete on one drive |
| 19:40.15 | tytan | Maybe I did something wrong while installing the os :/ |
| 19:40.16 | keltim | tytan, try smartctl --attributes --log=selftest --quietmode=errorsonly /dev/sdX |
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| 19:41.16 | tytan | wait, please |
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| 19:43.45 | tytan | keltim doesn't give out anything |
| 19:44.10 | tytan | I have no Idea what my hard drives are doing :/ |
| 19:46.22 | tytan | I'll try reinstalling ... |
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| 19:50.11 | tytan | ext4 or btrfs for a file server? |
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| 19:53.21 | Bremsstrahlung | So, I'm still trying to install Wine on Debian 7.8, amd64. |
| 19:53.38 | Bremsstrahlung | But I get this error when trying to get the 32-bit Wine http://paste.debian.net/165101/ |
| 19:53.40 | Nesyxx | tytan: ext4. I believe its a bit faster |
| 19:53.46 | tytan | Bremsstrahlung Didn't "apt-get install wine" work? |
| 19:53.56 | Bremsstrahlung | tytan: It claims it's already installed. :S |
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| 19:54.11 | Bremsstrahlung | wine is already the newest version. |
| 19:54.11 | Bremsstrahlung | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 19:54.21 | tytan | Nesyxx I only have gigabit LAN and very fast drives. So I don't think I'll notice a difference in speed because there will be only one user :P |
| 19:54.37 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: so run it? |
| 19:54.47 | Bremsstrahlung | ...erm. |
| 19:54.54 | Bremsstrahlung | Yet when I type 'wine', it tells me it's only there to tell me to set dpkg to support multiarch and to get the 32-bit one. |
| 19:54.57 | Bremsstrahlung | This is the problem. |
| 19:55.08 | Nesyxx | tytan: Gotcha. |
| 19:55.55 | Bremsstrahlung | valdyn: http://paste.debian.net/165103/ |
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| 19:56.03 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: show us "apt-cache policy wine" |
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| 19:56.11 | Bremsstrahlung | OK. |
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| 19:56.57 | Bremsstrahlung | valdyn: http://paste.debian.net/165105/ |
| 19:57.03 | Nesyxx | tytan: Guess I still would say ext4, though. Its the default on most distros, and isnt butter still under developmen? |
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| 19:57.40 | tytan | Nesyxx I always use ext4. But openSUSE thinks it's stable enough to be the default file system |
| 19:57.56 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: run "apt-get install libwine:i386" and tell us the error |
| 19:58.20 | Bremsstrahlung | valdyn : http://paste.debian.net/165106/ |
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| 19:58.44 | hjrs | Are there alternatives to rsync if I want to syncronize a folder between two servers where most of the content is already in place? |
| 19:58.54 | Nesyxx | tytan: oh, i didnt know that. Havent tried SUSE in a while :) |
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| 19:59.01 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: run "apt-get install libgnutls26:i386" and same deal (show the error ) |
| 19:59.26 | Bremsstrahlung | valdyn: http://paste.debian.net/165107/ |
| 19:59.34 | valdyn | hjrs: why alternative? |
| 20:00.21 | hjrs | rsync seems to do a recursive sync (download all the data) |
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| 20:00.29 | hjrs | most of it is already there :) |
| 20:00.41 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: same for librtmp0:i386 and libp11-kit0:i386 |
| 20:00.46 | valdyn | hjrs: but it does not |
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| 20:00.58 | valdyn | hjrs: maybe you specified the wrong directories |
| 20:01.07 | hjrs | valdyn: starts downloading huge files that are already there |
| 20:01.07 | Bremsstrahlung | OK, hold up. |
| 20:01.15 | qman__ | rsync compares the files and only downloads what's not already there |
| 20:01.17 | hjrs | does it check hashes or something in case files change? |
| 20:01.21 | qman__ | Yes |
| 20:01.42 | valdyn | hjrs: show us the command and the directories |
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| 20:01.59 | hjrs | well, download+checksumming over a 5mbit connection will be painful, 6tb of data |
| 20:02.18 | qman__ | It checksums then downloads if different |
| 20:02.18 | valdyn | hjrs: rsync does the right thing |
| 20:02.26 | Bremsstrahlung | valdyn : For the last two you told me http://paste.debian.net/165108/ |
| 20:02.27 | valdyn | hjrs: you are just giving the wrong rsync options |
| 20:02.38 | hjrs | ok. the checksumming is done client or server-side? |
| 20:02.42 | qman__ | Both |
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| 20:03.04 | qman__ | The local file is checked locally and the remote file remotely |
| 20:03.13 | hjrs | so it does not *download* the file and then checksum it, right? checksumming is done at the source? |
| 20:03.19 | qman__ | Yes |
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| 20:04.04 | frenda | Why this command does not have any effect in Gnome: `setxkbmap -option grp:switch,grp:caps_toggle,grp_led:scroll us,ir`? |
| 20:04.07 | hjrs | can anyone provide an example command for syncing a folder over say scp/ssh? |
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| 20:04.22 | frenda | I want to use CapsLock key for switching between layouts? |
| 20:04.48 | qman__ | scp doesn't sync, it only copies |
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| 20:05.21 | qman__ | rsync -aH host:/path/. /path/. |
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| 20:06.16 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: you have no mta installed? |
| 20:06.18 | mtn | frenda: have you tried using the shortcut section of system settings? |
| 20:06.27 | frenda | hjrs: rsync -av 192.168.20.10:Desktop/todo.txt ~/Desktop/todo.txt |
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| 20:06.48 | frenda | hjrs: rsync -avz -e ssh /local/backup/dir/ remoteuser@remotehost:/remote/backup/ |
| 20:06.51 | Bremsstrahlung | valdyn: Uhhhh... you mean like to send out mails? |
| 20:06.59 | Bremsstrahlung | valdyn: I dunno, I never used it; this is a desktop. |
| 20:07.03 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: yea |
| 20:07.05 | Bremsstrahlung | Not sure if the default install has it. |
| 20:07.07 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: ok, hold on |
| 20:07.08 | Bremsstrahlung | Not why it's relevant. |
| 20:07.11 | Bremsstrahlung | Nor* |
| 20:07.22 | qman__ | Use trailing dots with rsync to avoid ambiguity |
| 20:07.24 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: just me a few minutes... |
| 20:07.28 | Bremsstrahlung | valdyn: OK dokie. |
| 20:07.51 | qman__ | If you don't, you could end up creating a subdir and downloading everything |
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| 20:08.06 | frenda | hjrs: sshfs name@server:/path/to/folder /path/to/mount/point |
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| 20:10.34 | frenda | mtn: How can it help? shortcut?! |
| 20:10.56 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: run "apt-get install exim4-daemon-light" |
| 20:11.01 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: we can probably remove that later |
| 20:11.09 | Bremsstrahlung | Uhhh... |
| 20:11.10 | Bremsstrahlung | OK. |
| 20:11.21 | Bremsstrahlung | is confused why an MTA is being installed, but does so. |
| 20:11.36 | mtn | frenda: shortcuts are key combos and commands, so..... |
| 20:11.42 | Bremsstrahlung | valdyn: apt-get install exim4-daemon-light |
| 20:11.46 | Bremsstrahlung | 0 bla 0 bla 0 bla, etc. |
| 20:11.48 | Bremsstrahlung | lol |
| 20:11.56 | Bremsstrahlung | "exim4-daemon-light is already the newest version." |
| 20:12.01 | Bremsstrahlung | It's there. |
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| 20:12.14 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: "apt-get install exim4" |
| 20:12.18 | frenda | hjrs: scp /home/user1/todo.txt user2@192.168.1.101:/home/user2/ |
| 20:12.27 | d3fault_ | va/s #debian |
| 20:12.28 | Bremsstrahlung | "exim4 is already the newest version." |
| 20:12.29 | Bremsstrahlung | lol |
| 20:12.36 | d3fault_ | oops |
| 20:12.39 | d3fault_ | valdyn: apt-get install doom-wad && apt-get remove doom-wad && apt-get autoremvoe; <-- the packages installed by doom-wad are still installed. file a bug report for me plx, i don't know how to use debian's bug reporting system (specially formatted email lol r u srs gaiz?) |
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| 20:13.05 | valdyn | d3fault_: dont i know you? |
| 20:13.13 | valdyn | d3fault_: I wont |
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| 20:13.33 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: "apt-cache policy exim4" |
| 20:14.03 | Bremsstrahlung | valdyn: http://paste.debian.net/165111/ |
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| 20:14.19 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: geez |
| 20:14.23 | Bremsstrahlung | ? |
| 20:14.24 | Bremsstrahlung | What. |
| 20:14.27 | frenda | mtn: key combos and commands -> my command does not work in Gnome: `setxkbmap -option grp:switch,grp:caps_toggle,grp_led:scroll us,ir`; My main question is why it doesn't work? |
| 20:14.36 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: "apt-get install libgnutls26:i386" |
| 20:15.14 | Bremsstrahlung | I already did that before -- here's the output: http://paste.debian.net/165112/ |
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| 20:16.05 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: "aptitude install librtmp0:i386" use *aptitude* |
| 20:16.35 | Bremsstrahlung | Holy hell, this flooded my terminal. |
| 20:16.36 | Bremsstrahlung | Hold up. |
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| 20:17.31 | Bremsstrahlung | valdyn : http://paste.debian.net/165115/ |
| 20:17.40 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: after you pasted that, show us the output for "dpkg -l | grep ^hi" |
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| 20:17.45 | Bremsstrahlung | OK. |
| 20:18.01 | Bremsstrahlung | (Do I quit that prompt?) |
| 20:18.08 | Bremsstrahlung | (It's waiting for input.) |
| 20:18.30 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: yea, i want to see the dpkg -l output first |
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| 20:18.39 | danwomanlap | is there any way to change the pseudo-user of kdm to a real user? I'm having permission issues with kdm's pseudo-user since you can't give users that don't exist permissions... |
| 20:18.51 | danwomanlap | I know you can do it with lightdm |
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| 20:19.13 | Bremsstrahlung | valdyn : http://paste.debian.net/165119/ |
| 20:19.17 | Bremsstrahlung | valdyn : No output apparently. |
| 20:19.31 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: ok, do the aptitude thing |
| 20:19.55 | Bremsstrahlung | valdyn, OK, what should I tell it? |
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| 20:20.01 | d3fault_ | valdyn, you don't know me but we discussed this a bit ago... and at the time i couldn't think of any virtual packages to test it with. you called me a troll xD. now i have proof^ |
| 20:20.03 | valdyn | judd: versions libp11-kit0 |
| 20:20.04 | judd | Package: libp11-kit0 on i386 -- wheezy: 0.12-3; wheezy-backports: 0.20.7-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 0.20.7-1; sid: 0.20.7-1; experimental: 0.23.1-1 |
| 20:20.19 | hjrs | Anyone unlocking their LUKS volumes at boot with ssh/initramfs? |
| 20:20.32 | valdyn | d3fault_: we noted that you are not using debian |
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| 20:21.04 | d3fault_ | valdyn, what? yes i am |
| 20:21.06 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: is it correct that you once *had* backports in sources.list but now you dont? |
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| 20:22.29 | Bremsstrahlung | valdyn: No, I still have backports and added it almost when the install was brand-new; I needed it for HexChat and some other things. |
| 20:22.37 | Bremsstrahlung | (Which is what I'm using right now to talk here.) |
| 20:22.46 | valdyn | judd: versions wine |
| 20:22.46 | AWhiteOwl | does anyone know what apt-get package has apache derby? on google I've found sun-javadb-client and sun-javadb-core but those packages dont seem to exist anymore |
| 20:22.47 | judd | Package: wine on i386 -- squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; wheezy: 1.4.1-4; jessie: 1.6.2-20; sid: 1.6.2-20 |
| 20:22.58 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: ok |
| 20:23.27 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: try this one instead then "apt-get -t wheezy-backports install wine" |
| 20:23.32 | valdyn | err, stop |
| 20:23.35 | Bremsstrahlung | WHAT. |
| 20:23.36 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: try this one instead then "apt-get -t wheezy-backports install wine:i386" |
| 20:23.40 | Bremsstrahlung | Phew. |
| 20:23.41 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: ^^ better |
| 20:23.42 | Bremsstrahlung | You scared me. |
| 20:24.09 | Bremsstrahlung | o.0 |
| 20:24.11 | Bremsstrahlung | Wow. |
| 20:24.21 | Bremsstrahlung | It's working. OK, lemme say "Y" to it. |
| 20:24.50 | valdyn | d3fault_: doom-wad is *really* a virtual package, its not directly installable |
| 20:24.58 | Bremsstrahlung | valdyn : For reference http://paste.debian.net/165128/ |
| 20:25.00 | valdyn | judd: versions doom-wad |
| 20:25.01 | judd | No package named 'doom-wad' was found in i386. |
| 20:25.08 | d3fault_ | valdyn, that's exactly my point... |
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| 20:25.20 | Bremsstrahlung | OK, why does it want to remove p7zip? |
| 20:25.22 | Bremsstrahlung | I need that. |
| 20:25.22 | valdyn | d3fault_: so if its not installable, then theres nothing that gets installed with it |
| 20:25.40 | valdyn | d3fault_: so of course nothing gets remove when you remove it |
| 20:25.41 | d3fault_ | valdyn, my piont is uninstalling a virtual package should work as expected |
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| 20:25.47 | valdyn | d3fault_: no |
| 20:25.51 | d3fault_ | valdyn, incorrect. it just installs other packages |
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| 20:26.00 | valdyn | d3fault_: last time we talked about *meta* packages |
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| 20:26.25 | Bremsstrahlung | valdyn: Anywho, look good? Say "Y" to get it? |
| 20:26.32 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: yea |
| 20:26.32 | d3fault_ | valdyn, wat? there's a different xD?!? |
| 20:26.49 | Bremsstrahlung | A different "xD"? |
| 20:26.52 | Bremsstrahlung | What are you talking about? |
| 20:27.01 | valdyn | d3fault_: a meta package is a *real* package with the special amount of contained files (zero) |
| 20:27.03 | d3fault_ | s/t/ce |
| 20:27.06 | Bremsstrahlung | Oh. |
| 20:27.11 | valdyn | d3fault_: so its only job can be to pull other packages |
| 20:27.16 | valdyn | d3fault_: a * |
| 20:27.36 | d3fault_ | valdyn, ok my bad i thought they were two names for the same thing: change subject: virtual packages :-D |
| 20:27.38 | valdyn | d3fault_: a *virtual* package exists only because *other* packages have it in their "Provides:" field |
| 20:28.08 | d3fault_ | valdyn, so how to uninstall a virtual package if you don't know what packages it implicitly installed for you? |
| 20:28.15 | valdyn | d3fault_: purpose is that *many* packages can *provide* something |
| 20:28.16 | d3fault_ | apt-get remove doom-wad should work! |
| 20:28.48 | valdyn | d3fault_: i see you want that to work, but it does not, file a bug report (but thats not a bug, its a missing feature) |
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| 20:29.38 | vd33 | I'm trying to get a wireless adapter for my desktop which is using Debian, though I currently only have wireless on my laptop because it has the necessary hardware built in. How can I install the necessary firmware on my desktop so that it will be able to use the adapter when I get it? Without getting temporarily wired internet. I asked this in here before, but the dude whose router I'm using wont let me plug an Ethernet cable into the b |
| 20:29.41 | d3fault_ | ok i'll try to re-read the whitepaper on formatting bug submission emails :( |
| 20:29.44 | vd33 | so I'm not sure what to do now |
| 20:29.55 | valdyn | d3fault_: just run the program "reportbug" |
| 20:30.29 | valdyn | d3fault_: and please dont report against a real package, theres special "packages" for that |
| 20:30.29 | d3fault_ | no email properly set up :( |
| 20:30.44 | valdyn | d3fault_: because this like changes debian in an important way |
| 20:30.53 | vd33 | i can get access to the router i am going to be using for internet, how can i get the neccessary firmware on my desktop |
| 20:30.53 | jelly | vd33: you could transfer the firmware with a usb stick |
| 20:31.01 | vd33 | yeah i was thinking about that |
| 20:31.02 | valdyn | d3fault_: then use the web interface (it exists I think) |
| 20:31.08 | vd33 | im worried dependencies will take forever tho |
| 20:31.24 | vd33 | like it will turn out i need something else then etc etc |
| 20:31.25 | jelly | it's usually a single .deb package |
| 20:31.28 | vd33 | oh |
| 20:31.39 | vd33 | if i need to backport to an older kernel |
| 20:31.42 | danwomanlap | ah someone told me to tasksel kde in and I apt-get got it, maybe that's why kdm's pseudo-user has no ability to even |
| 20:31.43 | vd33 | how do i do that? |
| 20:31.51 | valdyn | judd: versions wine |
| 20:31.52 | judd | Package: wine on i386 -- squeeze: 1.0.1-3.1; wheezy: 1.4.1-4; jessie: 1.6.2-20; sid: 1.6.2-20 |
| 20:32.08 | Bremsstrahlung | lol |
| 20:32.10 | Bremsstrahlung | Here we go again. |
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| 20:32.18 | vd33 | get a kernel from an older backport |
| 20:32.21 | vd33 | cause it wont work |
| 20:32.22 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: maybe you have weird pinning, im not sure, can you show "apt-cache policy" ? |
| 20:32.31 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: (but your problem was solved, right ? ) |
| 20:32.32 | Bremsstrahlung | valdyn: http://paste.debian.net/165129/ I got this after it downloaded and installed |
| 20:32.42 | Bremsstrahlung | valdyn: Probably -- I now do 'wine' and it gives me this: |
| 20:33.04 | Bremsstrahlung | http://paste.debian.net/165131/ |
| 20:33.14 | hjrs | frenda: [22:06] <frenda> hjrs: rsync -avz -e ssh /local/backup/dir/ remoteuser@remotehost:/remote/backup/ |
| 20:33.18 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: well, thats great |
| 20:33.22 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: nothing wrong |
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| 20:33.26 | Bremsstrahlung | valdyn: Thanks a lot; I really needed to do this. |
| 20:33.29 | hjrs | in which direction will this work? |
| 20:33.39 | Bremsstrahlung | valdyn: This stupid website I need to use only supports IE as a browser. |
| 20:33.45 | Bremsstrahlung | Which is the most idiotic thing I've seen in a while. |
| 20:34.00 | Bremsstrahlung | I can't imagine what Mac users have go through. |
| 20:34.01 | Bremsstrahlung | lol |
| 20:34.04 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: i would use a vm for that |
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| 20:34.10 | Bremsstrahlung | Yeah, this is a low-end PC. |
| 20:34.19 | Bremsstrahlung | I don't want to use resource-intensive solutions. |
| 20:34.53 | valdyn | hjrs: that line looks wrong |
| 20:35.01 | jelly | vd33: surely you mean a _newer_ kernel, a backport. Until you get the internet connection working, try something like apt-zip |
| 20:35.07 | jelly | !tell vd33 about apt-zip |
| 20:35.20 | vd33 | ok thx |
| 20:35.34 | hjrs | valdyn: how would you do it then? i want to pull any new/updated files from another server |
| 20:36.05 | jelly | vd33: or, since you also have a laptop with a working wireless and presumably an ethernet port, you might use that and share its internet connection |
| 20:36.07 | valdyn | hjrs: in your own words, which directory exactly? |
| 20:36.18 | vd33 | jelly |
| 20:36.20 | vd33 | how can i do that? |
| 20:36.33 | hjrs | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:36.34 | jelly | vd33: which OS on the laptop? |
| 20:36.40 | vd33 | windows |
| 20:36.56 | hjrs | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:37.06 | jelly | vd33: windows already has share internet connection" functionality built in somewhere |
| 20:37.12 | vd33 | ok thx |
| 20:37.27 | jelly | ask in ##windows channel, I don't remember the details |
| 20:37.44 | valdyn | hjrs: so "rsync -avz /mnt/media remoteuse@remotehost:/mnt/media" |
| 20:38.02 | hjrs | valdyn: -e ssh for ssh, right? |
| 20:38.07 | valdyn | hjrs: but depending on permissions you might need to more slashes: |
| 20:38.12 | valdyn | hjrs: no you dont need that |
| 20:38.26 | hjrs | only port 22 is open |
| 20:38.46 | valdyn | hjrs: i know, you dont need -e |
| 20:38.50 | hjrs | ok |
| 20:39.05 | hjrs | does it keep a remote/local index of files or will it checksum everything everytime? |
| 20:39.08 | valdyn | hjrs: but this will only work if you have permissions to overwrite the directory itself |
| 20:39.21 | hjrs | in which case this would take foreeever :) |
| 20:39.22 | valdyn | hjrs: it can use timestamps |
| 20:39.31 | jelly | Bremsstrahlung: I find crossover to be a less painful alternative to get ms office and ie working, compared to free wine. However it is not free. |
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| 20:39.48 | Bremsstrahlung | "Crossover"? |
| 20:40.06 | Bremsstrahlung | I won't need MS Office anyway; LibreOffice is good enough for what I need. It's just IE. |
| 20:40.09 | valdyn | hjrs: and you might want --delete-after |
| 20:40.10 | jelly | Bremsstrahlung: https://www.codeweavers.com/products/ |
| 20:40.12 | hjrs | valdyn: will this push anything from /mnt/media to the remotehost or is it only one-way? |
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| 20:40.29 | Bremsstrahlung | jelly: "Buy now"? -__ |
| 20:40.30 | Bremsstrahlung | -_- |
| 20:40.33 | Bremsstrahlung | closes window. |
| 20:40.46 | valdyn | hjrs: left and right of your "or" is the same thing ;) |
| 20:40.49 | jelly | Bremsstrahlung: yes, I just said it wasn't free |
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| 20:41.19 | hjrs | valdyn: the remote host will have the current/master files, i only want to pull |
| 20:41.19 | jelly | neither is my time setting things up, so I'm a happy user there |
| 20:41.33 | hjrs | valdyn: not risk fucking up the remote files :) |
| 20:41.35 | valdyn | hjrs: so have the remote first in your command |
| 20:41.35 | Bremsstrahlung | jelly: To be fair, I prefer to distance myself away as much as possible from non-FOSS solutions; the IE thing is just a one-time gig, and I hope it won't last long. |
| 20:41.41 | hjrs | ah |
| 20:41.52 | valdyn | hjrs: "rsync <source> <target>" |
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| 20:42.08 | jelly | Bremsstrahlung: the company making crossover employs many (most) wine devs |
| 20:42.08 | Bremsstrahlung | jelly: Let's just say viruses, worms, trojans and other malware, as well as blue screens of death made me get fed up. ;-) |
| 20:42.28 | hjrs | valdyn: --delete-after? |
| 20:42.31 | valdyn | hjrs: btw, rsync seems to default on mod-time |
| 20:42.41 | valdyn | hjrs: that means it checks the time, not the check-sum |
| 20:42.55 | hjrs | ok |
| 20:42.56 | hjrs | great |
| 20:43.05 | jelly | Bremsstrahlung: but hey, if wasting a couple more hours on irc making wine work is your gig, have fun |
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| 20:43.25 | Bremsstrahlung | jelly: Well, it's a FOSS solution, and if in the process I learn /how/ to work with Debian, all the better. |
| 20:43.34 | Bremsstrahlung | I won't learn just sitting on my ass with pre-brought programs. :-P |
| 20:43.34 | valdyn | hjrs: --delete-after makes your local (in your case) stuff identical to remote, not remote on top of what you already have |
| 20:43.43 | hjrs | --delete-after? there is a lot of free space but will I end up with duplicates |
| 20:43.45 | hjrs | ok |
| 20:43.46 | hjrs | thanks |
| 20:43.53 | valdyn | hjrs: thats not for duplicates |
| 20:44.11 | hjrs | yes, but it wont create duplicates |
| 20:44.14 | valdyn | hjrs: thats for things that dont exist remotely will be deleted locally (again, in your case) |
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| 20:45.31 | danwomanlap | I think my kdm issue resolved itself |
| 20:45.35 | danwomanlap | wow |
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| 20:47.12 | hjrs | valdyn: it starts pulling a file which has the same md5 on both sides |
| 20:47.21 | valdyn | hjrs: different date |
| 20:47.29 | valdyn | hjrs: *date* is the default i said already.... |
| 20:47.34 | hjrs | different timestamps though, i did a recursive copy |
| 20:47.37 | hjrs | ah |
| 20:47.50 | hjrs | valdyn: how to make it do checksum instead? |
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| 20:47.54 | valdyn | -c, --checksum skip based on checksum, not mod-time & size |
| 20:48.00 | hjrs | and set the dates for later |
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| 20:48.01 | Bremsstrahlung | wth |
| 20:48.03 | Bremsstrahlung | "IEs4Linux 2.0 is developed to be used with recent Wine versions (0.9.x). It seems that you are using an old version (wine-1.4.1)" |
| 20:48.15 | hjrs | will it set the dates too? |
| 20:48.16 | Bremsstrahlung | 1.4.1 is older than 0.9.x now? |
| 20:49.30 | hjrs | valdyn: actually, both sides have identical files, but there might be some new ones at the source |
| 20:49.44 | hjrs | valdyn: any way to make it set dates and only pull new files? |
| 20:50.20 | valdyn | -u, --update skip files that are newer on the receiver |
| 20:50.34 | hjrs | will it updates timestamps to match remote? |
| 20:50.35 | valdyn | hjrs: ^^ |
| 20:50.44 | valdyn | hjrs: probably not, i dont know |
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| 20:51.24 | hjrs | any way to make it syncronize timestamps? |
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| 20:52.24 | valdyn | hjrs: you can use -t |
| 20:52.42 | valdyn | hjrs: probably -t and -c |
| 20:52.54 | hjrs | aha |
| 20:53.14 | valdyn | hjrs: or --size-only instead of -c, thats faster |
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| 20:53.24 | hjrs | indeed |
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| 21:03.11 | hjrs | valdyn: rsync -avrntu user@host:/mnt/media /mnt/media |
| 21:03.27 | hjrs | valdyn: the dry run implies it will pull every file... |
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| 21:04.54 | Eryn_1983_FL | hey peeps |
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| 21:07.16 | valdyn | hjrs: i dont see --size-only there |
| 21:07.34 | hjrs | no, there was -u |
| 21:07.43 | Eryn_1983_FL | is it proper syntax to do sudo su username script name any more? |
| 21:07.52 | hjrs | but, eh |
| 21:07.55 | valdyn | hjrs: so obviously they must be newer on the sender ? |
| 21:08.10 | Eryn_1983_FL | isn't this wrong syntax for modern day sudo? |
| 21:08.12 | hjrs | i seem to have deleted a lot of local files by mistake |
| 21:08.14 | hjrs | oops |
| 21:08.19 | Eryn_1983_FL | lol |
| 21:08.27 | Eryn_1983_FL | jrs well did u backup |
| 21:08.31 | hjrs | well, fire up the rsync |
| 21:08.35 | Eryn_1983_FL | lol |
| 21:08.47 | hjrs | only 890 GBs :) |
| 21:08.59 | Eryn_1983_FL | :/ |
| 21:11.17 | Eryn_1983_FL | so is sudo su usrname script.sh right? |
| 21:11.40 | Eryn_1983_FL | wouldnt sudo -u username -s script.sh work better? |
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| 21:14.20 | hjrs | valdyn: for some reason the timestamp of the transferred files are set 19 hours earlier than on the source? |
| 21:14.35 | hjrs | i used rsync -avrt --delete-after --size-only |
| 21:14.45 | jelly | hjrs: smells like timezone shenanigans |
| 21:15.18 | Eryn_1983_FL | i think is just an old mainframe thing they have left around |
| 21:15.25 | hjrs | cat /etc/timezone and "date" matches |
| 21:15.39 | hjrs | maybe the correct dates are set once the whole job finishes? |
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| 21:16.20 | hjrs | i used rsync -avrt --delete-after --size-only remoteuser@remotehost:/path (master copy) /path (local backup) |
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| 22:26.42 | TrFaSu | getting problems in installing zmap ... help plz |
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| 22:28.32 | phix | TrFaSu: ok, what problems are you having? what version of debian are you using and which repoS? |
| 22:30.08 | TrFaSu | Debian 3.18.6-1~kali2 |
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| 22:31.48 | TrFaSu | phix: |
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| 22:32.00 | phix | TrFaSu: |
| 22:32.01 | SynrG | !kali |
| 22:32.01 | dpkg | Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>. |
| 22:34.27 | TrFaSu | dpkg: apt-get is showing no package by that name but if i check apt-cache it shows masscan] |
| 22:34.27 | dpkg | ...but apt-get is already something else... |
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| 22:35.06 | SynrG | TrFaSu: we don't support your distribution here. and dpkg is a bot. |
| 22:35.10 | phix | TrFaSu: what name? |
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| 22:35.32 | SynrG | TrFaSu: as the dpkg factoid indicates, join #kali-linux |
| 22:35.43 | phix | what is kali? |
| 22:35.44 | bazhang | #kali-linux TrFaSu |
| 22:35.48 | MadMan2021 | Never herd of kali-linux.. |
| 22:35.50 | bazhang | whoops |
| 22:35.51 | MadMan2021 | To the googletron. |
| 22:36.00 | MadMan2021 | heard* |
| 22:36.04 | bazhang | pentesting distro |
| 22:36.10 | TrFaSu | SynrG: ok thanxx bazhang: thanxx |
| 22:36.17 | phix | bazhang: <3 |
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| 22:42.17 | drocsid | https://github.com/wikimedia/operations-debs-kafka/issues/3 |
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| 23:07.23 | lefedy | I just started using KDE and sometime when I switch workspaces, typing still happens on the other workspace, even though I've clicked on the window on a different workspace. |
| 23:07.29 | lefedy | Anyone else experiencing this? |
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| 23:11.23 | phix | lefedy: nope, I use gnome |
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| 23:12.50 | lefedy | phix: Yeah, I got sick of gnome... too many hoops to jump through to customze it. I've hung on for way too long. Time to go back to KDE. I haven't used it for years and really like it. |
| 23:13.42 | phix | lefedy: customise it? what's wrong with the stock standard? |
| 23:16.48 | lefedy | phix: I use some apps with devilspie that I have config files for. In Gnome 3.8 some of the features are not working. I found out that Gnome purposfully makes it harder for people to modify it. They want people to use it stock... which is really nice looking but for my workflow, I need it to be how I need it. I do webdev and graphic design. |
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| 23:18.01 | phix | lefedy: ditto |
| 23:18.21 | phix | lefedy: so gnome makes it harder for people like us to program? |
| 23:18.40 | phix | or do graphical design? |
| 23:20.23 | lefedy | phix: Not if your workflow is built around Gnome 3. Mine isn't since I was used to old Gnome. Then I adapted to Gnome 3 and now they've made some other changes that make it harder for my own workflow. It may work just great for someone else. |
| 23:20.37 | lefedy | I'm not saying its bad... it just isn't working for me. |
| 23:21.09 | phix | I am just trying to see how our workflows differ since we are both in web development |
| 23:21.58 | phix | or if I just haven't noticed the limitations in gnome , I would like to know if I would be more effiecient |
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| 23:23.58 | lefedy | phix: Partly, I know I'm being picky. I bet I could turn off some of the features that bug me (not a big deal). For some reason transparency isn't working anymore with items that I've embedded on the desktop. |
| 23:24.59 | lefedy | I've ended up having too many windows open lately since I can't embed them on the desktop. Mainly a shell and readout from conky and other things |
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