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| 00:25.54 | geektux | i just installed debian on my asus laptop and its telling me that my wireless firmware is missing |
| 00:27.20 | Cullz_etc | geektux: I remember something like that when installing debian - iwlwifi or something like that? |
| 00:28.13 | geektux | i think so |
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| 00:29.11 | Cullz_etc | geektux: is the install completed? |
| 00:29.17 | geektux | yes |
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| 00:29.43 | geektux | i plugged it in via ethernet to complete the installation |
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| 00:31.21 | Cullz_etc | i would run "apt-get update" and then "apt-get dist-upgrade" |
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| 00:31.39 | geektux | ok |
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| 00:33.13 | geektux | nothing updated |
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| 00:33.38 | geektux | im also havingt trouble moving my windows |
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| 00:35.20 | Cullz_etc | the command "lspci" will probably list your wifi card |
| 00:35.44 | Cullz_etc | moving windows.. haha thats fun |
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| 00:36.41 | Cullz_etc | i just resized my windows 7 partition and ended up removing it altogether. i broke things in the process |
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| 00:37.29 | Cullz_etc | I wrote over the boot stuff and ended up using debian install disc in rescue mode to reinstall grub (after a boot repair disc didn't work) |
| 00:37.43 | geektux | doht |
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| 00:39.03 | geektux | it sees my wireless card |
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| 00:39.26 | Cullz_etc | i think search for linux drivers for your card and i think you might have to enable contrib and non-free repositories to get them? |
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| 00:39.36 | Cullz_etc | not sure |
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| 00:42.12 | toeshred | are there any known issues with Jessie not booting the graphical ui on older (T420) Thinkpads? |
| 00:42.34 | toeshred | it just boots to where fsck checks my partitions, then it hang forever. |
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| 00:42.56 | toeshred | but the cursor is blinking, making me think video driver is still going. |
| 00:43.45 | geektux | brb |
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| 00:49.08 | Cullz_etc | toeshred: what happens when you run a live cd? |
| 00:49.25 | toeshred | it is debian i didn't see any option to boot live. |
| 00:50.16 | toeshred | Cullz_etc: but this happened with xubuntu and ubuntu gnome. |
| 00:51.05 | toeshred | and now debian. seems to be a problem across all debian based distros for me. |
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| 00:59.43 | shay_shay | toeshred: did it happen in xubuntu or ubuntu gnome live disc? |
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| 01:00.15 | toeshred | shay_shay: it did, but it would boot inconsistently, maybe about 30-40% of the time it would boot successfully (but very slowly) |
| 01:00.26 | toeshred | maybe a problem with nouveau |
| 01:00.45 | toeshred | seems to stop booting right as the gui mode starts. |
| 01:01.54 | shay_shay | toeshred: pastebin your xorg log |
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| 01:03.29 | toeshred | no easy way to do that, can't access anything unless i slave the hdd to another machine and grab that log |
| 01:03.37 | toeshred | maybe i can boot single user mode |
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| 01:06.29 | abrotman | Bremsstrahlung: sorry, had gone out for the day |
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| 01:19.51 | shay_shay | toeshred: you cant access another VT? |
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| 01:20.06 | shay_shay | e.g. ctrl+alt+f1 |
| 01:20.18 | toeshred | shay_shay: can't even do that. did manage to boot runlevel 3 and log into a vt |
| 01:21.13 | swalberg | I've run "dpkg --list krb*" and two packages that are not installed are showing up with "un" in the first column (along with one package that is installed but has ii there). I'm not sure how to explain what I'm seeing... Any ideas? |
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| 01:23.47 | cognitios | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:25.27 | toeshred | cognitios: thw wifi driver needs to be sideloaded during installation |
| 01:25.34 | dvs | cognitios: Not sure how you didn't get a GUI but you probably need firmware to connect with Wifi |
| 01:25.42 | toeshred | although that didn't work for me, it didnt find the other usb i had with the driver on it. |
| 01:25.57 | abrotman | dpkg: tell cognitios about firmware images |
| 01:26.01 | toeshred | i had to install with the eth0 and then install firmware-iwlwifi after the setup was completed. |
| 01:26.22 | toeshred | but you need to add the contrib and non-free repos to your source.list |
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| 01:27.50 | cognitios | How do I sideload wifi drivers using a USB? |
| 01:28.24 | abrotman | dpkg: tell cognitios about firmware images |
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| 01:30.29 | cognitios | abrotman so I just want to put this on the USB firmware-7.8.0-amd64-netinst.iso along with the OS itself? |
| 01:31.23 | shay_shay | dvs: if i'm not mistaken, if you continue on with a netinstall without having network you get an installation about as big as a basic debootstrap + bootloader |
| 01:31.31 | abrotman | cognitios: no, it is an installer image, with firmware |
| 01:31.43 | abrotman | shay_shay: it's usable |
| 01:31.50 | dvs | shay_shay: True |
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| 01:40.38 | geektux | I'm. i |
| 01:41.04 | shay_shay | thats some deep ish right there ^ |
| 01:41.32 | geektux | I'm now trying to install on my desktop and getting mirror error |
| 01:41.42 | geektux | sorry I'm on my phone |
| 01:41.54 | Cullz_etc | geektux: did you add contrib and non-free? |
| 01:42.11 | geektux | I think so |
| 01:42.24 | Cullz_etc | whats the mirror error |
| 01:42.43 | geektux | bad archive mirror |
| 01:43.24 | geektux | I'm configuring the package manager |
| 01:43.26 | Cullz_etc | which driver are you getting? is it iwlwifi or another? |
| 01:43.47 | geektux | no this is on my desktop |
| 01:43.58 | Cullz_etc | oh |
| 01:44.39 | geektux | different installation than the laptop problem I was having |
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| 01:45.48 | geektux | Ive tried several different mirrors |
| 01:45.59 | Cullz_etc | what are you trying to do |
| 01:46.23 | geektux | configure package manager |
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| 01:47.25 | Cullz_etc | gedit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:47.55 | geektux | I'm still installing the system |
| 01:49.15 | geektux | I haven't even gotten through the freaking installation yet |
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| 01:58.42 | somiaj | geektux: you can skip mirror and package configuration during the install. Put a base system on your system, then get the network up/configure a mirror after the install is done. |
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| 02:34.09 | AndChat327600 | Debian cannot recognize my partition table formatted with ntfs and fat? |
| 02:34.27 | Agent_Isai | Hi, I was editing my source.list but I forgot how to end this "deb http://packages.debian.org/"...? |
| 02:34.39 | Agent_Isai | What should I put at the end? |
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| 02:35.34 | Agent_Isai | Anyone? |
| 02:35.48 | Cullz_etc | stable or testing, etc |
| 02:36.21 | Cullz_etc | "testing-updates main contrib non-free" |
| 02:36.21 | Agent_Isai | after stable should I put main contrib and non-free as usual? |
| 02:36.22 | dvs | packages? That aint right |
| 02:36.32 | Agent_Isai | dvs: oh |
| 02:36.40 | Cullz_etc | I don't have a 'packages' either |
| 02:36.44 | Agent_Isai | It's been a long time since I've used debian |
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| 02:37.24 | neopsyche | Hello |
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| 02:41.09 | Agent_Isai | Isn't there a debian site where machines get their packages at? |
| 02:41.11 | shay_shay | neopsyche: welcome back |
| 02:41.22 | dvs | Agent_Isai: http.debian.net |
| 02:41.29 | Agent_Isai | I think it is packages.debian.org or maybe I'm wrong |
| 02:41.30 | Agent_Isai | oh |
| 02:41.34 | Agent_Isai | dvs: thanks |
| 02:41.54 | dvs | Agent_Isai: packages.debian.org lists the packages but does not actually carry them. |
| 02:42.08 | Agent_Isai | Ah |
| 02:42.28 | neopsyche | Hi Shay Shay |
| 02:43.43 | neopsyche | greets shay_shay |
| 02:43.59 | Agent_Isai | I keep getting "unable to locate package" >.> |
| 02:44.02 | Agent_Isai | like mysql |
| 02:44.10 | Agent_Isai | and php5 |
| 02:44.14 | Agent_Isai | and other stuff |
| 02:44.28 | dvs | Agent_Isai: did you do an update first? |
| 02:44.35 | Agent_Isai | Oh |
| 02:44.37 | Agent_Isai | ah |
| 02:44.38 | somiaj | Agent_Isai: care to put the output of 'apt-cache policy' at pate.debian.net |
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| 02:44.49 | somiaj | but yes make sure you update first. |
| 02:44.54 | neopsyche | shay_shay, would you still help me fix my apt cache? |
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| 02:45.14 | Agent_Isai | somiaj: ok |
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| 02:46.47 | Agent_Isai | somiaj: http://paste.debian.net/165168/ |
| 02:47.06 | dvs | he said "pate"! ;-) |
| 02:47.54 | somiaj | Agent_Isai: basically you have no sources. Are you running wheezy. You need to put correct sources in sources.list |
| 02:48.03 | somiaj | maybe there is an error in your sources causing the cache to be blank |
| 02:48.21 | Agent_Isai | ok |
| 02:48.37 | dvs | paste that |
| 02:48.45 | Agent_Isai | i have about 12 websites in sources.list |
| 02:48.52 | dvs | !!! |
| 02:48.52 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
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| 02:49.37 | stevie1 | exir |
| 02:49.40 | stevie1 | exit |
| 02:49.56 | Agent_Isai | !!! |
| 02:49.56 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 02:49.58 | Agent_Isai | ha! |
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| 02:52.01 | Agent_Isai | Ah |
| 02:52.22 | Agent_Isai | The packages.Debian.org entry was the one breaking everything |
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| 02:53.05 | centrx | Is snowferret a good replacement for iceweasel? |
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| 02:53.37 | somiaj | Agent_Isai: if you want you can paste your sources.list file we can double check it. |
| 02:53.40 | phix | is that yet another fork of thunderbird? |
| 02:54.09 | somiaj | I see no packages by that name. |
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| 02:54.20 | phix | personnally i would use a third party repo and use chrome |
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| 02:54.37 | somiaj | or is it a suggested name change. (: |
| 02:54.52 | somiaj | phix: just use chromium and get it from debian. |
| 02:55.14 | phix | i mean thunderbird even, for mail client, chrome for brpwser |
| 02:55.42 | Cullz_etc | chromium |
| 02:56.15 | Agent_Isai | somiaj: Nevermind, I did apt-get update && apt-get upgrade then I deleted the packages.debian.org entry and now everything is smooth |
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| 02:56.43 | somiaj | Agent_Isai: well sounds like youhave lots in your sources.list, just a reminder: https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 02:56.58 | Agent_Isai | heh |
| 02:57.11 | Agent_Isai | Thanks |
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| 02:58.26 | Agent_Isai | somiaj: Someone should've showed me this A LONG time ago, I've done about everything in that article |
| 02:59.51 | Cullz_etc | I could have saved some headaches by reading this when I started using debian |
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| 03:14.43 | Agent_Isai | Hmm |
| 03:14.56 | Agent_Isai | My machine took 5 mins. to reboot |
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| 03:15.38 | Agent_Isai | After I did shutdown -r now it returned to the command line so I did other things then the machine restarted |
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| 03:18.13 | Agent_Isai | E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. |
| 03:18.14 | Agent_Isai | What? |
| 03:18.50 | somiaj | sounds like the --configure processes didn't complete for some reason, follow the errors suggestion. |
| 03:19.04 | Agent_Isai | hmm |
| 03:19.24 | Agent_Isai | Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have |
| 03:19.25 | Agent_Isai | requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable |
| 03:19.25 | Agent_Isai | distribution that some required packages have not yet been created |
| 03:19.25 | Agent_Isai | or been moved out of Incoming. |
| 03:19.25 | Agent_Isai | The following information may help to resolve the situation: |
| 03:19.25 | Agent_Isai | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
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| 03:19.33 | Agent_Isai | er |
| 03:19.35 | Agent_Isai | sorry |
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| 03:19.40 | qmr | thwacks Agent_Isai |
| 03:19.51 | Agent_Isai | ;-; |
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| 03:21.09 | shay_shay | dpkg tell neopsyche about ssb |
| 03:21.34 | Agent_Isai | My machine is broken then? |
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| 03:27.47 | somiaj | Agent_Isai: no you run the command the error suggested you run and let it finish configuring things |
| 03:27.57 | Agent_Isai | I did |
| 03:28.11 | Agent_Isai | Then I tried installing g++ and I got a new error |
| 03:28.17 | somiaj | Agent_Isai: paste the new output of 'apt-cache policy' |
| 03:28.24 | somiaj | at paste.debian.net |
| 03:28.30 | Agent_Isai | Ok |
| 03:29.41 | Agent_Isai | somiaj: http://paste.debian.net/165174/ |
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| 03:31.49 | Agent_Isai | So? |
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| 03:33.00 | shay_shay | dpkg tell neopsyche about wheezy-backports |
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| 03:35.01 | Very_Original000 | Hi I would like to get some inormation about a net install |
| 03:35.18 | somiaj | Very_Original000: just ask your question |
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| 03:36.19 | somiaj | Agent_Isai: you get that error when you try to do what? |
| 03:36.22 | Very_Original000 | I would like to know where I can find some more information than the manual " instructional video |
| 03:36.52 | Agent_Isai | somiaj: install g++ |
| 03:37.02 | Agent_Isai | Or any package |
| 03:37.27 | somiaj | Very_Original000: The instalation manual is the best place to look for info. I am unsure if you will find instructoional videos on youtube or not. |
| 03:37.38 | somiaj | Very_Original000: Looking for any info inpaticular |
| 03:37.47 | somiaj | Agent_Isai: paste the output of 'apt-get -f install' |
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| 03:39.09 | Agent_Isai | root@www:/etc/apt# apt-get -f install Reading package lists... Error! |
| 03:39.10 | Agent_Isai | Building dependency tree |
| 03:39.10 | Agent_Isai | Reading state information... Done |
| 03:39.10 | Agent_Isai | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
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| 03:39.17 | Agent_Isai | eh |
| 03:39.43 | somiaj | Agent_Isai: as always use the pastebin |
| 03:39.49 | Agent_Isai | yeah |
| 03:40.23 | Agent_Isai | Is there a way to reinstall apt-get ? |
| 03:40.51 | somiaj | Sounds like you stoped apt during an install or something and now have corrupted lists. http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/139441/reading-package-lists-error |
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| 03:41.48 | Agent_Isai | somiaj: As I said earlier, my machine didn't restart so I was doing other stuff like installing php then it restarted |
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| 03:42.52 | somiaj | Agent_Isai: yea then things got corrupt. Maybe the suggestions above can help you clean/regenerate your lists and fix things |
| 03:43.06 | Agent_Isai | er |
| 03:43.14 | Very_Original000 | I have a problem at startup, Unfortunatly I can not be helped unless I find where I wrote down the name of the error |
| 03:43.38 | Very_Original000 | * problem at line net install startup |
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| 03:44.33 | somiaj | Very_Original000: so the installer isn't booting. What medium are you using to install (cd, usb, etc?) How did y ou create that medium? |
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| 03:46.21 | Very_Original000 | I have used dd unetbootin and live usb creator all had the same result |
| 03:47.21 | Agent_Isai | hmm |
| 03:47.25 | somiaj | Very_Original000: well the second two are known to cause problems with debian images. What image are you using, and did you check the md5sum? Also the nicest way as per the install manual is 'cp debian.iso /dev/sdX' where sdX is the usb stcik. |
| 03:47.30 | Agent_Isai | Ok it's just hanging |
| 03:48.01 | somiaj | Agent_Isai: You can keep searching google. But intrupting things during the middle of the install can corrupt things and it may be difficult to recover. |
| 03:48.11 | Agent_Isai | Oh |
| 03:48.11 | Agent_Isai | ok |
| 03:48.54 | Very_Original000 | I have been having dd cause partition errors where the drive is not readable |
| 03:48.54 | Agent_Isai | I'll contact the system administrator about this later or I'll just forcefully reinstall the system if I can bruteforce the sys admins' account |
| 03:49.28 | Very_Original000 | I have looked on the debian.org and have not been able to find a md5 for the netinstall |
| 03:49.44 | somiaj | Very_Original000: again this is odd. Is the actual usb stick going bad. The md5sums are in the same location as the images. |
| 03:50.14 | somiaj | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.8.0/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 03:50.31 | Agent_Isai | Oh no |
| 03:50.37 | somiaj | Very_Original000: are you copying the image onto the drive or are you copying it onto a partition? |
| 03:50.38 | Agent_Isai | This is maybe bad |
| 03:50.45 | Very_Original000 | That has been my thoughts, they do have a life span |
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| 03:51.40 | Agent_Isai | somiaj: http://paste.debian.net/165175/ |
| 03:51.43 | Agent_Isai | hmm :/ |
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| 03:53.11 | Agent_Isai | Ah! |
| 03:53.16 | somiaj | could yoru network or mirror just be doing weird things. 404 file not found is fairly straight forward. |
| 03:53.27 | Very_Original000 | I think that is my problem |
| 03:53.35 | Agent_Isai | somiaj: Thanks! I did sudo apt-get install g++ and it worked |
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| 03:53.53 | Agent_Isai | partially |
| 03:54.21 | Agent_Isai | Now I think I know how to fix the rest |
| 03:54.28 | Agent_Isai | Anyway thanks |
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| 03:56.32 | Very_Original000 | I have used dd if=/dev/dbx of=/dev/sdx bs=4M |
| 03:56.53 | Very_Original000 | sorry if=.so |
| 03:56.59 | Very_Original000 | iso |
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| 03:58.52 | tty0_ | Hi there, i user jessie, and every second time whn i do 'apt-get update' i get: W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie/main/i18n/Translation-enIndex Hash Sum mismatch |
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| 03:59.23 | tty0_ | What is that meaning of that? |
| 03:59.54 | somiaj | tty0_: sounds like a corrupt file. This happenes every other time your run apt-get update? |
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| 04:00.25 | somiaj | tty0_: maybe replace ftp.ca.debian.org with http.debian.net |
| 04:01.03 | somiaj | Very_Original000: yea that seems fine. Again cp works a bit nicer and dd isn't really needed, but both do the job. |
| 04:01.22 | somiaj | Very_Original000: I'd check dmesg during a dd or a cp see if it spouts out any hardware/filesystem errors |
| 04:01.57 | Very_Original000 | that I will do but what is the cp command? |
| 04:02.59 | Rusty1 | try: man cp , in a terminal |
| 04:03.31 | somiaj | Very_Original000: cp debian.iso /dev/sdX |
| 04:04.04 | tty0_ | somiaj: yes, every other time |
| 04:04.43 | somiaj | tty0_: wonder if the dns is doing a round robin and one of the servers just has a corrupt file on it. Does switching to http.debian.net in your sources.list fix it? |
| 04:05.01 | tty0_ | will try now |
| 04:06.48 | tty0_ | somiaj: when i switch it does not happen |
| 04:07.20 | tty0_ | somiaj: thanks for the hint |
| 04:07.27 | somiaj | tty0_: just keep it with http.debian.net then, it is a bit of a better redirector than the old country code names |
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| 04:07.57 | somiaj | I think one of the servers it was poiting you to has a corrupt file, not sure if there is a way to inform the mirror you got since it was hiddened behind the dns name. |
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| 04:13.40 | tty0_ | ... actually I've noticed that trying to do something else: I need arm cross toolchain, and followed: https://wiki.debian.org/CrossToolchains, however, just noticed: https://wiki.debian.org/EmdebianToolchain (the second red box), is there way to get cross toolchain signed by debian? |
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| 04:21.24 | tty0_ | Are the signatures used per repository, or any-repo-to-any-signature is accepted? |
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| 04:27.20 | Very_Original000 | somiaj: ]http://paste.debian.net/plain/165178 |
| 04:28.31 | somiaj | Very_Original000: that is just saying you rewrote the partition table and the os can't see what happened (the hybrid images have a funky partition table) |
| 04:28.59 | somiaj | Very_Original000: oh wait, do you have the file system on that drive mounted while you are trying to do this copy? |
| 04:29.07 | Very_Original000 | oh thank you I really appreciate your help |
| 04:30.28 | somiaj | if you had the file system mounted when you ran that command you will get strange things happeneing. |
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| 04:38.32 | Mr_Hanky | Hi same orginal guy but when I booted into the live usb I got an error |
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| 04:41.44 | Mr_Hanky | I got an error while trying to load a live debian usb |
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| 04:44.01 | somiaj | Mr_Hanky: How did you create this debian live cd. What error did you get? |
| 04:44.25 | Mr_Hanky | I forgot the username I had before but same as orginal |
| 04:44.48 | Mr_Hanky | cp debian.iso /dev/sdx |
| 04:45.02 | somiaj | Last time you said it was a netinstall image. |
| 04:45.40 | somiaj | again provided the image was not corrupt (check the md5sum), the image was ritten to the drive correctly, then check hardarwe |
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| 04:46.02 | somiaj | could be the usbstick is going bad. Could be the machine you are trying to boot is not configured to boot correctly. Using efi, legacy or secure boot? |
| 04:47.27 | Mr_Hanky | Can not mount /dev/loop0 (/live/medium/live/filesystem.squashfs) on // filesystem.squashfs and the debian-live-7.8.0-amd64-lxde-desktop.iso |
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| 05:25.37 | theotherstupidgu | in linux, is there a native way of doing copy and paste ? |
| 05:25.49 | theotherstupidgu | i mean in the standard utilities found in any basic debian system |
| 05:26.10 | theotherstupidgu | my case is i want to copy the git commit hash from git log and use it |
| 05:26.43 | theotherstupidgu | so i a thinking that i will need to identify it and then copy it and pipe it to git checkout |
| 05:26.46 | somiaj | theotherstupidgu: depends, in x the standard way is to select what you want to copy then hit the middle mouse button to paste it where you want to paste it |
| 05:26.57 | somiaj | ctrl-c, ctrl-v is accepted by many programs |
| 05:27.16 | theotherstupidgu | somiaj there was no mouse for the old guys, how did they manage? |
| 05:27.23 | somiaj | in terminals there is gpm for mouse copy/paste. If you run things in screen it provides methods to copy/paste (same as most editors) and so forth |
| 05:27.47 | somiaj | you can also use redirects and take data from one program and pipe it (redirect it) to another program using stdin, stdout, etc |
| 05:28.01 | theotherstupidgu | example on that? |
| 05:28.35 | somiaj | theotherstupidgu: cat file.text > program (that will take the stuff in file.text and pipe it into another program and then the program can do what it wants) |
| 05:28.47 | theotherstupidgu | oh ok |
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| 05:30.04 | tomivs | Hi, is possible replace pulseaudio with JACK server? |
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| 05:32.15 | theotherstupidgu | somiaj but u see what i wanna do right? |
| 05:33.48 | somiaj | theotherstupidgu: the most common way is to control these servers from some gui invorment using ssh then copy/paste in the client of your choice. |
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| 05:33.56 | somiaj | theotherstupidgu: but no I didn't pay attention to your paticular situation. |
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| 05:46.32 | Mr_Spanky | How do i validate a netinstall image? |
| 05:47.44 | somiaj | Mr_Spanky: use the md5 sum |
| 05:48.35 | Mr_Spanky | well where are the md5sums on the debian.org? |
| 05:48.50 | somiaj | I told you this to, they are in the same location you get the images. |
| 05:48.53 | somiaj | the exact same directory. |
| 05:49.10 | Mr_Spanky | I do not see them |
| 05:49.19 | somiaj | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.8.0/multi-arch/iso-cd/ |
| 05:49.24 | somiaj | they are there if you have the multi-arch cd |
| 05:49.36 | somiaj | again notice the image is there, so is the md4 sums and other sums too |
| 05:50.16 | Mr_Spanky | why the attitude? |
| 05:50.46 | Mr_Spanky | The debian site is not very intuitive |
| 05:51.56 | somiaj | You are reading attitude that is not there. You asked a question, I said you get them from the same place (i.e. same directory on the server [note the link goes to the file just extract the directory from it], I then explained how there are more than one types of sums to check |
| 05:52.00 | somiaj | I also gave you that link eariler |
| 05:52.26 | Mr_Spanky | sorry I honestly did not see it |
| 05:52.36 | Mr_Spanky | I really did search for it |
| 05:53.12 | Mr_Spanky | I just find the debian.org site really confusing |
| 05:53.19 | somiaj | yea problem is if you link directally to the file you miss that it is part of a file structor on the server. |
| 05:53.47 | Mr_Spanky | sorry for seeming newbish but how do I find that directory on the site? |
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| 05:54.41 | Mr_Spanky | nm found my answer thank you for your help |
| 05:54.42 | somiaj | Mr_Spanky: the link to the file has it in it, I just right clicked, 'copy link location' as opposed to clicking on it, pasted the link location removed the file name. |
| 05:54.58 | Guest26815 | bastille any good for workstation? not in repository for jessie. thx |
| 05:55.12 | Mr_Spanky | yea I had one of those duhhh moments and realized that after I posted |
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| 05:57.23 | makeshift420 | hello world |
| 05:57.25 | somiaj | Guest26815: I don't follow you. Are you wanting to install some third party software in debian or asking for a replacement (I don't know what bastille is) |
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| 06:00.15 | somiaj | Guest26815: please keep conversation in the channel. |
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| 06:00.52 | somiaj | Guest26815: yea looks like it was removed many releases ago. I don't know sort of replacements there are. But for wheezy, I would just search 'harden debian wheezy', lots of guides, not sure if there is any software tool though. |
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| 06:01.15 | Guest26815 | Sorry I use chat so seldom I always have to refigure out to use the stuff. bastille is an automatic hardening software which doesn't appear any more in the respository. Wondering if anyone had played with it, heard of it, etc |
| 06:01.22 | somiaj | looks like there is a package called harden |
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| 06:01.38 | somiaj | as for jessie, realize since it isn't realsed it isn't considered secure. But some same princiapals will apply. |
| 06:02.06 | Guest26815 | yah figured, ty for info, ill look into harden |
| 06:02.40 | somiaj | Guest26815: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ |
| 06:02.55 | Guest26815 | lol yep im there as I write this ;) |
| 06:03.21 | somiaj | seems that document is a bit outdated as it is suggesting bastille which isn't available anymore via debian packages. |
| 06:03.59 | Guest26815 | exactly, there is other stuff out there....its not one answer fits all type of situation form what i see |
| 06:04.22 | somiaj | well totally depends on what you do. Easiest way to harden your debian system is disable the network. |
| 06:04.50 | Guest26815 | had to destroy the system to save it |
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| 06:07.56 | djames | hello guys! I have a little system that I made it using binaries from my system and source code to some parts. My problem is the root username is not identified by system. I can see only uid 0 when listing -l files |
| 06:08.23 | djames | does someone knows any way to fix it? |
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| 06:18.12 | TrFaSu | why I m not able to install zmap using apt-get install because it's saying no package there but if i do apt-cache search zmap , it shows up masscan |
| 06:18.21 | TrFaSu | help! plzz |
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| 06:19.23 | TrFaSu | any1 plzz? |
| 06:21.14 | hiexpo | zmap is in the backports |
| 06:22.11 | TrFaSu | hiexpo: so i have to update repos |
| 06:22.18 | hiexpo | yes |
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| 06:51.29 | TrFaSu | hiexpo: done |
| 06:52.02 | hiexpo | TrFaSu, good deal |
| 06:52.08 | TrFaSu | hiexpo: how to run this tool then? |
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| 06:52.42 | hiexpo | zmap --help |
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| 06:53.18 | TrFaSu | hiexpo: it says bash: zmap: command not found |
| 06:53.36 | hiexpo | sudo zmap --help |
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| 06:54.25 | TrFaSu | thanxxx hiexpo |
| 06:54.32 | hiexpo | no prob |
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| 06:55.44 | hiexpo | TrFaSu, are you just looking for a network scanner? |
| 06:56.20 | TrFaSu | hiexpo: actually i gota project to do |
| 06:57.20 | hiexpo | TrFaSu, oh ok was just gonna recommend zenmap it is a gui to nmap |
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| 06:59.08 | TrFaSu | hiexpo: ya, actually i was on the stable wheezy side and was building it and then this json-c was creating many problems , so that's why i asked? thanxxx :-) |
| 06:59.36 | hiexpo | ok no prob |
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| 07:27.31 | masoudd | Hi. I'm want to download live 7.8 iso images. I see there are two directories in the ftp: bt-hybrid and iso-hybrid. What's the difference? |
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| 07:44.44 | masoudd | ok bt-hybrid had only torrents bt stands for bittorrent |
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| 08:15.22 | Mr_Hanky | I have sorted out the problem I am having installing debian is that there are no ethernet drivers. so I can not install a net install or another debian version |
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| 08:16.13 | Mr_Hanky | does someone know how to include a firmware that is nonfree for an install ? |
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| 08:18.14 | Mr_Hanky | ? |
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| 08:19.15 | sailcat | Mr_Hanky, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/7.8.0-live+nonfree/ |
| 08:21.11 | Mr_Hanky | thank you |
| 08:21.47 | sailcat | yw |
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| 08:57.53 | Skyrider | Greetings all |
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| 09:03.14 | Skyrider | Is there any good FTP servers for debian? |
| 09:03.21 | Skyrider | I've tried proftpd, but its confusing as hell. |
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| 09:06.49 | babilen | dpkg: ftp must die |
| 09:06.49 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie . If you really just want to provide anonymous download of files, use HTTP: http://daniel.haxx.se/docs/ftp-vs-http.html |
| 09:07.21 | neckutrek | The bug tracking system site says: total number of release critical bugs: 1505 (https://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/) does that mean 1505 bugs to solve before jessie is released? |
| 09:07.22 | babilen | Skyrider: You could take a look at pureftp or vsftpd |
| 09:07.43 | Skyrider | Ehm |
| 09:07.51 | Skyrider | I need FTP info to share with my CMS software for updates. |
| 09:07.57 | Skyrider | So, can't do that through http. |
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| 09:08.08 | Skyrider | Seeing SFTP is refusing to work.. |
| 09:08.11 | Skyrider | have to do the FTP method. |
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| 09:29.51 | Skyrider | Sometimes, proftpd / debian just makes me rage. |
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| 09:29.58 | Skyrider | can't even create a simple, FTP account. |
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| 09:30.05 | Skyrider | without adding additional users to the freaking OS. |
| 09:31.19 | valdyn | Skyrider: you are free to use virtual users. However it can be convenient to maintain both in the same db, which would be "adding additional users" as you say |
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| 09:32.49 | valdyn | !proftpd |
| 09:32.49 | dpkg | ProFTPD is a professional GPL'd FTP server for Unix and Unix-like operating systems, or dropped from other distributions because they can't keep security holes out of it; ask me about <vsftpd> if you don't need any ProFTPd specific features. Contributed tools and modules: http://www.castaglia.org/proftpd/ . http://www.proftpd.org/ #proftpd on irc.freenode.net. See also <ftpd>. |
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| 09:33.17 | Skyrider | I merely need an FTP account, plain, simple. |
| 09:33.22 | Skyrider | :D that's it |
| 09:33.22 | babilen | Skyrider: Why don't you investigate the two others that I mentioned? proftpd isn't the best choice, really |
| 09:33.30 | Skyrider | Alrighty.. |
| 09:33.35 | Skyrider | I'll just remove & read on, thanks. |
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| 09:35.49 | Bremsstrahlung | valdyn, btw, yesterday, how did you know to try the backports repo for Wine? |
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| 09:37.03 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: your wine depended on things that should just be pulled automatically, but they were not |
| 09:38.12 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: that could have been because you fucked up your system or because of there was another legitimate reason |
| 09:38.13 | warbaque | ftp needs to die :D |
| 09:38.45 | Bremsstrahlung | valdyn: I see. Maybe because of the former, I dunno. :D |
| 09:38.57 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: no, its all in order |
| 09:39.03 | Bremsstrahlung | OK good, then. |
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| 09:39.23 | Bremsstrahlung | I just hope this same error or similar ones don't show up when I try to get apt-get something else. |
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| 09:39.57 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: when you use backported stuff then your dependency tree has to change |
| 09:40.09 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: that is not a problem in itself |
| 09:40.30 | Bremsstrahlung | I see. |
| 09:41.38 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: wine depends on a, but a has a *versioned* depend on b, and your b was changed due to backports |
| 09:41.58 | Bremsstrahlung | Ahhh, I see. |
| 09:42.01 | Bremsstrahlung | OK, OK. |
| 09:42.10 | Bremsstrahlung | So this is what they call, "dependency hell". |
| 09:42.11 | Bremsstrahlung | :) |
| 09:42.41 | valdyn | Bremsstrahlung: dependencies are np hard (if you can understand that) I think |
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| 09:42.58 | Bremsstrahlung | I see. |
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| 09:44.29 | Skyrider | ugh... |
| 09:44.42 | Skyrider | Can someone, please tell me how to counter this -> insecure server, it does not support FTP over TLS. |
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| 09:44.50 | Skyrider | I can't find the option to disable it. |
| 09:45.07 | valdyn | Skyrider: we dont know your cms |
| 09:45.20 | Skyrider | This is just filezilla. |
| 09:45.28 | Skyrider | Its preventing me to use FTP, over SFTP. |
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| 09:45.35 | Skyrider | I assume SSHD is stopping me? |
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| 09:46.11 | valdyn | Skyrider: what is sshd? |
| 09:46.32 | Skyrider | sshd server |
| 09:46.35 | valdyn | Skyrider: sftp is not ftp, its not secure ftp either |
| 09:46.40 | Skyrider | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:47.02 | valdyn | Skyrider: you're being confused by sftp sounding like a special version of ftp, but its not |
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| 09:47.47 | valdyn | Skyrider: ftp is insecure, sftp is secure, ftp over tls is ftp over a secure channel, its not sftp |
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| 09:48.35 | Skyrider | I'm aware valdyn. Just not sure, why the hell it is not working. |
| 09:48.38 | valdyn | Skyrider: so, since sftp and ftp are totally different things your sshd has got nothing to do with that error |
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| 09:49.29 | valdyn | Skyrider: maybe filezilla by default refuses to send passwords in the clear over the network |
| 09:49.40 | valdyn | Skyrider: that is probably configurable |
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| 09:51.48 | chrstfer | My install consistently fails at the grub install step, why can that happen? |
| 09:52.10 | valdyn | Skyrider: http://trac.filezilla-project.org/ticket/9995 |
| 09:52.32 | valdyn | Skyrider: its what the filezilla devs did to make filezilla more secure, and its controversial |
| 09:53.55 | chrstfer | Its a VM, I formatted every partition (separate /boot, /, /usr, /var, partitions on /dev/sda, with /home and /opt on /dev/sdb), there was about 2mb of space at the beginning of the drive, etc |
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| 09:55.01 | valdyn | chrstfer: in the installer you can switch to alt-fx consoles, theres an error there somewhere |
| 09:55.11 | valdyn | chrstfer: give us that error message |
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| 09:56.04 | chrstfer | yeah one sec |
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| 09:56.32 | chrstfer | volume group "sda" not found |
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| 09:57.03 | chrstfer | i think I need to force mounting of /boot |
| 09:57.17 | valdyn | chrstfer: its trying to use lvm for some reason |
| 09:57.25 | chrstfer | oh |
| 09:57.31 | chrstfer | well, it shouldnt be |
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| 09:58.10 | valdyn | chrstfer: seperate /usr is bad |
| 09:58.26 | valdyn | chrstfer: i cant say if thats the cause, but thats probably unsupported |
| 09:59.02 | chrstfer | I always have my / partition running out of space, because the vm disks are so small |
| 09:59.23 | valdyn | chrstfer: uh? |
| 09:59.28 | chrstfer | I was told (cant recall who or where, so its not helpful) that a separate /usr could help. |
| 09:59.32 | chrstfer | not space, inodes |
| 09:59.37 | valdyn | chrstfer: but you must be storing /usr somewhere, so its not that small |
| 09:59.50 | valdyn | chrstfer: seperate /usr is silly |
| 09:59.55 | chrstfer | and the installer itself can set up separate /usr partition |
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| 10:00.07 | valdyn | chrstfer: yea, the installer lets you do alot of stupid things |
| 10:00.25 | chrstfer | I have not heard that a /usr partition is bad, what is the reasoning for that? |
| 10:00.45 | valdyn | chrstfer: i forgot, you can google it |
| 10:00.52 | valdyn | chrstfer: err |
| 10:01.05 | valdyn | chrstfer: the stuff needed to boot, in /lib etc |
| 10:01.18 | valdyn | chrstfer: thats going away, its going to be in /usr (or already is) |
| 10:01.42 | valdyn | chrstfer: hence you cant have seperate /usr in such system |
| 10:02.15 | chrstfer | then I need to set up my initrd to have the things needed to mount /usr. |
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| 10:02.39 | dutchfish | chrstfer, while separating alot of dirs under / is not bad pure sang, it needs carefull planning, i sometimes use separate /var and /boot for a good reason, thinks that can go wrong are mount order and the extra mem needed for mounting, there are others as well. |
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| 10:03.05 | valdyn | chrstfer: either way, seperate /usr is about pointless |
| 10:03.27 | chrstfer | dutchfish, this isnt a production machine of any kind, I am just trying to get it to work. What kind of planning do you mean? |
| 10:03.44 | chrstfer | I have gotten this same partition scheme to work in the past |
| 10:03.52 | dutchfish | chrstfer, then if you can go for one unified / |
| 10:03.55 | valdyn | chrstfer: it was supported in the past |
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| 10:04.08 | valdyn | chrstfer: now its deprecated at least |
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| 10:04.30 | chrstfer | dutchfish, I dont mean I just want the machine to work, I mean I want to learn how to set it up |
| 10:05.05 | chrstfer | Its trivial to have it all on one partition, but in a production environment its unlikely at the least |
| 10:05.50 | dutchfish | chrisc, well, all this is covered in the kernel docs and also in LPI1 |
| 10:06.06 | chrstfer | alright, ill read them |
| 10:06.18 | dutchfish | chrstfer, https://www.lpi.org/certification/ |
| 10:06.51 | valdyn | is that a good plase to learn *why* /usr cant (or should not) be sperate? |
| 10:07.31 | dutchfish | chrisc, valdyn the answer is simple, if you dont have a very good reason to do so, don't; it consumes extra resources |
| 10:07.53 | valdyn | dutchfish: thats a silly reason |
| 10:08.05 | valdyn | dutchfish: and its not right |
| 10:08.10 | chrstfer | yeah, that is silly |
| 10:08.17 | valdyn | dutchfish: seperate /usr being *unsupported* is a big one |
| 10:08.37 | valdyn | (if thats the case, im not sure about that in debian) |
| 10:08.38 | chrstfer | Where does it list that as unsupported? |
| 10:08.49 | dutchfish | valdyn, i was talking sperating others as well, see my former lines |
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| 10:08.54 | chrstfer | If it were, I dont think the debian installer would have it as an option |
| 10:09.44 | dutchfish | valdyn, and yes, i have opted for a separate /usr in th epast for a special reason, namely testing out all installs in the debian repo under a specific arch |
| 10:09.51 | valdyn | chrstfer: http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/separate-usr-is-broken/ |
| 10:10.37 | chrstfer | ah, because of systemd |
| 10:10.42 | valdyn | chrstfer: no |
| 10:10.49 | dutchfish | chrstfer, no |
| 10:10.51 | valdyn | chrstfer: geez, read at least a bit |
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| 10:10.57 | chrstfer | I am christ |
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| 10:12.15 | dutchfish | valdyn, you still can have /usr on a separated mountpoint, BUT you cant boot without it |
| 10:13.36 | valdyn | chrstfer: anyway, were a little off track here, I never said i knew this caused your error, but it might have |
| 10:13.55 | dutchfish | valdyn, sorry for the noise |
| 10:13.56 | valdyn | chrstfer: shouldnt be to hard to quickly test this in the installer |
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| 10:14.07 | chrstfer | This page leads me to believe its unrelated to my problem, and that the problem youre talking about is fixed by the setup I proposed about, having initramfs mount /usr on / |
| 10:14.44 | valdyn | chrstfer: yes |
| 10:14.44 | chrstfer | Im just going to go with a less annoying partition scheme, anyway. |
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| 10:15.24 | valdyn | dutchfish: no worries |
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| 10:18.15 | chrstfer | valdyn, was that yes to my point, or to having a less annoying partition scheme? |
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| 10:19.31 | valdyn | chrstfer: it may be unrelated to your problem, and you may be able to ignore the issues by having it mounted in the initramfs |
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| 10:20.10 | chrstfer | ok |
| 10:20.21 | valdyn | chrstfer: but i would just use a less annoying partition scheme anyway, as you said |
| 10:20.27 | chrstfer | "ignore"? More like "correctly deal with" ? |
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| 10:21.36 | valdyn | chrstfer: well, correctly would be anything that is supported, not something you need to mess with the initrd yourself |
| 10:22.11 | chrstfer | supported by what, then? |
| 10:22.29 | valdyn | chrstfer: by debian, the default initrd |
| 10:22.51 | chrstfer | alright |
| 10:23.10 | valdyn | chrstfer: the gets complicated quickly, when people start using encrypted seperate /usr |
| 10:23.37 | valdyn | chrstfer: which worked before, but does not work now |
| 10:23.37 | chrstfer | I was thinking more in terms of being supported by the kernel, and systemd, etc. |
| 10:23.59 | chrstfer | not the distro itself, but the tools it's built on. |
| 10:24.19 | valdyn | chrstfer: the site i linked lists the problematic components, thats not systemd nor the kernl, but udev, network-manager etc. |
| 10:24.26 | chrstfer | Like, I know an arch build with that partition scheme is perfectly fine, but you have to build your own initrd |
| 10:24.50 | chrstfer | those fall under the category of ", etc" :P |
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| 10:25.04 | chrstfer | but I know what you mean now, thank you |
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| 10:40.50 | mrcirca | Hello what it means Debian Stable? |
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| 10:42.22 | dutchfish | !stable |
| 10:42.23 | dpkg | [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added, new versions introduced and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Wheezy (7.8); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the stable version (ask me about <security backports>). https://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable |
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| 10:43.23 | mrcirca | Ok! I want to install debian on my Acer Netbook E3-111 |
| 10:43.34 | mrcirca | with i3wm |
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| 10:45.02 | mrcirca | what is better? stable or unstable? |
| 10:45.05 | dutchfish | mrcirca, have you read https://faq.i3wm.org/question/2483/howto-debian-wheezy-lightdm-i3/ |
| 10:45.25 | dutchfish | mrcirca, stable, but this all depends on your skills and needs |
| 10:45.56 | warbaque | yeah, it depends |
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| 10:46.51 | dutchfish | mrcirca, in general you should prefer stable, but at this time the next release is already into freeze; so for non production systems you might consider testing aka jessie. |
| 10:47.35 | dutchfish | !jessie |
| 10:47.35 | dpkg | The release following Debian 7 "Wheezy" is codenamed "Jessie" (the cowgirl in Toy Story 2) and will be Debian 8. It is the current <testing> distribution. Use the #debian-next channel on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net) for support. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2012/07/msg00004.html . See also <jessie alpha>, <jessie freeze>, <jessie kernel>. |
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| 10:48.02 | warbaque | on production machines and machines that I don't fiddle with daily I usually go with stable, but with with my own home servers and laptops I use testing or unstable |
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| 10:53.00 | mrcirca | dutchfish: which iso i will use? |
| 10:53.25 | dutchfish | mrcirca, for stable you can go by the current netinstaller |
| 10:53.55 | dutchfish | mrcirca, https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/? |
| 10:54.21 | dutchfish | mrcirca, oops i meant https://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/debian-installer/ |
| 10:54.53 | mrcirca | dutchfish: and how i ll do it stable? |
| 10:55.16 | dutchfish | mrcirca, the last link has all the 'stable' images |
| 10:55.37 | dutchfish | mrcirca, see also the debian wiki |
| 10:56.00 | mrcirca | good! |
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| 10:57.03 | Walex | I usually just use 'stable' on desktops too with careful use of backports. Since Debian 8 (Jessie) is about to be released, that is going to be a particularly good time to install the new 'stable'. |
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| 12:56.18 | superrorc | hi there! i am on wheezy, cant my pptp client stop works |
| 12:56.24 | superrorc | Modem hungup in logs |
| 12:56.26 | superrorc | http://paste.debian.net/plain/165243 |
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| 12:56.34 | superrorc | use network manager |
| 12:56.38 | superrorc | any ideas pls? |
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| 12:57.10 | tibi | Hi! I have debian wheezy on a VPS. Is there a way to get VIM compiled +python without recompiling? I've already installed vim 7.4 from wheezy-backports |
| 12:57.47 | themill | tibi: which package did you actually install? |
| 12:58.05 | tibi | themill: apt-get -t wheezy-backports install vim |
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| 12:58.27 | tibi | Huge version without GUI. |
| 12:58.29 | themill | tibi: so you probably want one of the other vim-* packages as the package description says |
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| 12:59.10 | `ajven | aptitude install lightdm |
| 12:59.15 | `ajven | sorry wrong window |
| 12:59.17 | `ajven | :) |
| 12:59.19 | tibi | themill: right. vim-nox. TIL |
| 12:59.30 | themill | tibi: that's most likely the one you want, yes |
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| 13:11.28 | gecko_x2 | someone help with a noob question: |
| 13:12.00 | gecko_x2 | i need to test this patch, but i don't know the right command and where exactly that file starts: |
| 13:12.07 | gecko_x2 | http://pve.proxmox.com/pipermail/pve-devel/2014-March/010526.html |
| 13:12.28 | gecko_x2 | how do i apply that patch? |
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| 13:19.54 | john-soda | Hello together can maybe somebody tell me what's the deal with the ignored translations when I use apt-get update? And can I generate /etc/apt/apt.conf and insert "Acquire::Languages:: "none";" if they are ignored anyway or would this generate a problem? |
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| 13:20.51 | john-soda | I can't found any info about the translations lines when I use apt-get update. Any info is appreciated. Thanks in Advance. |
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| 13:24.28 | `ajven | someone was trying maybe to watch movies online on 1GB RAM and 2GHz CPU ? i cant watching online movies on this computer |
| 13:26.59 | Brigo | `ajven, you should be, but it should depends of the movie quality. |
| 13:27.34 | `ajven | Brigo: firefox / chrome with adobe flash / lightspark are using 100% cpu and RAM on 360p movies |
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| 13:28.38 | `ajven | Brigo: midri also ;/ |
| 13:28.52 | Brigo | `ajven, i was not thinking about flash. |
| 13:28.58 | themill | john-soda: what's your actual question? |
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| 13:29.34 | `ajven | Brigo: so you think about ? |
| 13:29.41 | Brigo | `ajven, try torrentstream. |
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| 13:30.12 | `ajven | and how it can help o_O ? |
| 13:30.13 | Brigo | check peerflix |
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| 13:30.37 | Brigo | you do not need a web browser or flash. |
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| 13:31.08 | `ajven | well its not fix problem anyway thanks |
| 13:31.12 | Brigo | just vlc, mplayer, mpv, or so and peerflix, of course, but it is a small program. |
| 13:31.30 | Brigo | `ajven, what problem? |
| 13:31.47 | `ajven | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:31.49 | `ajven | this is problem |
| 13:32.06 | john-soda | themill: my question is, this translations lines are showing up everytime when I run apt-get update. I don't know what they are doing? And when they are ignored anyway why they have to show up? |
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| 13:32.35 | Brigo | `ajven, that is a hardware problem, for your needs, of course :) |
| 13:32.37 | themill | john-soda: perhaps you could pastebin some actual output so we know what you are talking about? |
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| 13:33.19 | `ajven | brigo: its obvious thats why im looking for some ways to avoid hardware change |
| 13:33.57 | Brigo | `ajven, do not use flash and do not use web browsers. |
| 13:34.49 | `ajven | Brigo: well its not possible, becouse few portals not working in vlc etc software |
| 13:35.06 | Brigo | you only need a torrent. |
| 13:35.20 | `ajven | Brigo: nvm thanks for help |
| 13:35.23 | Brigo | peerflix will make some magic .) |
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| 13:35.39 | john-soda | themill: http://pastebin.com/tzGEKWih |
| 13:35.42 | Brigo | peerflix http://some-torrent/movie.torrent --vlc |
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| 13:35.59 | `ajven | you still dont get it, its not problem resolve, nvm |
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| 13:36.52 | Brigo | `ajven, i am telling you how to see the movies in you computer on-line. I think that is what you want. |
| 13:37.07 | themill | john-soda: (a) raspbian support is in #raspbian -- please use the appropriate channel in future (b) Debian does not offer separate translations for en vs en_US -- I have no idea what raspbian offers at all. |
| 13:37.15 | `ajven | Brigo: you telling me to use torrent its not even close to that what im looking for |
| 13:37.31 | warbaque | well, flash videos won't work any better |
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| 13:38.22 | Brigo | `ajven, i am telling you how to watch on-line videos, using torrents, right. |
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| 13:39.07 | Brigo | you can download them and watch them off-line, off course. |
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| 14:02.14 | mjt | how /etc/default/keyboard settings are propagated to X11? |
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| 14:16.04 | valdyn | mjt: read man keyboard ? |
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| 14:17.36 | mjt | I've read it before asking. Didn't find an answer in there. |
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| 14:17.56 | mjt | I see (indirectly) how console keymap can be loaded by looking at the `see also' section |
| 14:18.04 | valdyn | udevadm trigger --subsystem-match=input --action=change |
| 14:18.05 | mjt | s/can be/is/ |
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| 14:19.07 | mjt | hm. missed that one. I thought it is only for console |
| 14:19.08 | mjt | /lib/udev/rules.d/64-xorg-xkb.rules:# |
| 14:19.21 | mjt | s/:#// |
| 14:19.45 | mjt | but it just imports the contents of that file. |
| 14:20.31 | mjt | ok, lemme grep for, say, XKBLAYOUT in /usr... |
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| 14:22.10 | valdyn | mjt: i think that config is saved in /run/udev/data |
| 14:22.26 | valdyn | mjt: and just rereads it on change |
| 14:22.31 | valdyn | mjt: and X just rereads it on change |
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| 14:23.01 | mjt | my /run/udev does not exist ;) |
| 14:23.21 | valdyn | mjt: I have it |
| 14:24.24 | valdyn | mjt: you can strace Xorg, it will reopone all the input related device nodes and also stuff in /run/udev at that udev trigger |
| 14:24.47 | mjt | ok, will try. |
| 14:25.05 | mjt | I just hoped for a bit less work in determining these simple things... |
| 14:25.23 | valdyn | mjt: theres a link to xorg input documentation in man keyboard |
| 14:25.37 | mjt | yes, but there's no link to debian-specific env vars |
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| 14:26.21 | mjt | whole contents of /etc/default/keyboard is debian-specific |
| 14:26.37 | mjt | I can use the values defined for these variables as arguments to setxkbmap |
| 14:26.40 | valdyn | mjt: nah |
| 14:26.59 | valdyn | mjt: that file may be, the udev rule may be, after that i doubt that its anything debian specific |
| 14:27.27 | mjt | fgrep -r XKBLAYOUT /usr returned nothing, btw :) |
| 14:27.36 | csst0111 | The last couple weeks seems js is desabled somehow on iceweasel. Don't know if its an iw or debian issue |
| 14:27.44 | csst0111 | disabled* |
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| 14:41.14 | lanodan | Hi, I’m looking to (cross-)compile i686 on a x86_64 |
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| 14:41.41 | lanodan | (My i686 machine is too slow for compiling) |
| 14:41.46 | mjt | CC="gcc -m32" |
| 14:42.02 | lanodan | Oh very simple |
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| 14:42.17 | mjt | you'll probably need some extra pkgs |
| 14:42.42 | mjt | gcc-multilib for one |
| 14:42.51 | mjt | (iirc) |
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| 14:43.14 | lanodan | I have this one ^^ |
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| 14:43.47 | lanodan | it seems to works |
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| 14:44.02 | mjt | s/s$// |
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| 14:47.20 | d3xter | hey guys |
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| 14:53.52 | Staberinde | hey folks, got a slight problem with apt-get, I get this error when I try to update: Read error - read (5: Input/output error) |
| 14:53.52 | Staberinde | The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. |
| 14:53.52 | Staberinde | Can't call method "policy" on an undefined value at /usr/bin/apt-show-versions line 56. |
| 14:53.53 | Staberinde | E: Problem executing scripts APT::Update::Post-Invoke-Success 'test -x /usr/bin/apt-show-versions || exit 0 ; apt-show-versions -i' |
| 14:53.53 | Staberinde | E: Sub-process returned an error code |
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| 14:56.17 | Staberinde | hey folks, got a slight problem with apt-get, I get this error when I try to update: http://paste.debian.net/165267/ |
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| 14:58.01 | buu | Staberinde: What command did you run? |
| 14:58.02 | GPenguin | Staberinde: what debian version and what was the last task you did before the error? |
| 14:58.13 | GPenguin | ah |
| 14:58.26 | Staberinde | buu: sudo apt-get update |
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| 14:58.52 | d3xter | i always get "init: cannot execute ...", but the executable isnt there anymore. how can i disable that |
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| 14:59.19 | Staberinde | Gpenguin: its ubuntu 14.04, but you guys seemed like hte right people to come to for apt related questions |
| 14:59.20 | buu | Staberinde: by any chance is the partition completely full? |
| 14:59.24 | buu | ... |
| 14:59.28 | buu | dpkg: ubuntu |
| 14:59.29 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
| 14:59.30 | GPenguin | Staberinde: heh |
| 14:59.52 | mtn | d3xter: what is the context? what is causing the error? |
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| 15:01.05 | GPenguin | Staberinde: try #ubuntu or if you dont trust them you can try ##linux |
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| 15:01.13 | Staberinde | buu: not at the moment, but it has been in the past |
| 15:02.27 | d3xter | mtn: dunno, its in the syslog |
| 15:02.40 | d3xter | mtn: i've removed the software a couple of days ago, but seems like init still wants to run it |
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| 15:03.14 | mtn | d3xter: how was it installed and removed? |
| 15:03.21 | d3xter | mtn: with a binary installer |
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| 15:03.57 | mtn | d3xter: what binary installer? you mean manually not using apt? |
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| 15:05.44 | d3xter | mtn: i installed gitlab to test it, but there is no deb for that ;) |
| 15:05.56 | d3xter | mtn: all i wanted to know is how to tell init not to start gitlab anymore |
| 15:06.13 | mtn | d3xter: then it was not completely removed. something was left in /etc/init.d |
| 15:06.22 | d3xter | mtn: ok, will have a look |
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| 15:08.13 | mtn | d3xter: how did you remove the program? just delete folders? |
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| 15:11.29 | d3xter | mtn: with the uninstaller |
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| 15:11.58 | mtn | d3xter: huh, well that is the right way to do it. did you find anything in /etc/init.d that would cause the problem? |
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| 15:12.33 | d3xter | mtn: not really, but 2 files are present in /etc |
| 15:12.37 | inkvizitor68sl1 | hi. is there some active packagers for *.dev ? |
| 15:12.43 | inkvizitor68sl1 | *deb, i mean |
| 15:12.44 | d3xter | mtn: will have to investigate further, thanks |
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| 15:13.10 | inkvizitor68sl1 | i had file /etc/logrotate.d/blah.logrotate in own package (due to error) |
| 15:13.19 | inkvizitor68sl1 | now i move it to /etc/logrotate.d/blah |
| 15:13.25 | d3xter | mtn: there is not even something suspicient in rcconf :/ |
| 15:13.30 | inkvizitor68sl1 | but how is it correct to remove old conffile ? |
| 15:13.35 | inkvizitor68sl1 | on package upgrade |
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| 15:13.56 | d3xter | s/suspicient/suspect |
| 15:14.33 | mtn | d3xter: you aren't using systemd, are you? |
| 15:15.11 | d3xter | mtn: nope, running on debian 6 |
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| 15:16.49 | mtn | d3xter: how about in /etc/rc* folders? |
| 15:17.18 | mtn | d3xter: this knows more than I do: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch03.en.html#_sysv_style_init |
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| 15:20.29 | d3xter | mtn: thanks, will have a look |
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| 16:58.06 | GPenguin | what do i need to configure so that exim accepts mail for adresses that do not exist, please? |
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| 16:59.33 | intento | weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! 1 month for connect con sasl |
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| 17:04.50 | jelly | GPenguin: that doesn't make a lot of sense, what would you have exim do with such messages? |
| 17:04.54 | amcorreia | anyone recommend a good book for linux tuning/performance ? |
| 17:05.39 | GPenguin | jelly: forward to a user account maybe |
| 17:06.42 | jelly | GPenguin: create an alias in /etc/aliases for that address, then, and run "newaliases" |
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| 17:07.15 | GPenguin | i need to do tha for each fake address? |
| 17:07.16 | porton | How to set SSL (for now just for one site) on an Apache server serving several sites with different domains? |
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| 17:08.05 | jelly | GPenguin: that's... not a great idea, but ask in #exim |
| 17:08.27 | centrx | porton, Try #httpd |
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| 17:09.23 | GPenguin | thanks jelly |
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| 17:12.20 | ScottE | amcorreia: "Systems Performance: Enterprise and the Cloud" by Brendan Gregg is one |
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| 17:14.30 | amcorreia | ScottE, thanks i'll take a look |
| 17:15.01 | jnewt | i'm trying to install chromium on wheezy. i gett unmet dependencies: chromium-browser: Depends: chromium(>=10) but it is not installable. apt-get install chromium results in no installation candidate. what am i missing here? |
| 17:15.11 | jelly | !bat |
| 17:15.11 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 17:15.29 | jelly | ,v chromium-browser |
| 17:15.30 | judd | Package: chromium-browser on i386 -- squeeze-security: 6.0.472.63~r59945-5+squeeze6; squeeze: 6.0.472.63~r59945-5+squeeze6; wheezy: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1 |
| 17:15.37 | jelly | oh dear |
| 17:15.49 | centrx | security support for chromium was discontinued on wheezy right |
| 17:15.58 | jelly | 37 is old and insecure anyway |
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| 17:16.13 | jelly | ,v chromium |
| 17:16.14 | judd | Package: chromium on i386 -- squeeze: 0.9.14.1-2; wheezy: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; jessie: 41.0.2272.76-2; sid: 41.0.2272.118-1 |
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| 17:16.50 | centrx | jnewt, Switch to iceweasel or upgrade to jessie |
| 17:16.56 | jelly | amusingly, it's safer to use the closed Google Chrome build than chromium from wheezy :-> |
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| 17:20.07 | jnewt | 1st, this is going to run with --kiosk on an arm embedded processor, serving only local content. not too worried about security. 2. the jessie build for my hardware is unstable / testing, so i'm not too keen on going that route. |
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| 17:21.04 | centrx | jnewt, What do you mean by this: "the jessie build for my hardware is unstable / testing" |
| 17:21.57 | jelly | jnewt: armhf or armel? Please provide all the information dpkg asked above. |
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| 17:22.59 | jnewt | centrx, all i mean is that i'm not going to go that route. |
| 17:23.42 | jnewt | jelly armf. trying to ssh so i don't have to copy. 1 min |
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| 17:27.08 | jnewt | paste.debian.net/165289 |
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| 17:30.28 | jnewt | paste.debian.net/165291 with output of apt-cache policy without package name |
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| 17:31.44 | jnewt | jelly: did I properly capture all of the required information from the above dpkg message? |
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| 17:33.27 | jelly | jnewt: missing apt-cache policy chromium, but that's fine |
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| 17:34.21 | jnewt | just looked, it's blank, no installed, no candidate, nothin in Version table |
| 17:34.36 | jelly | ,v chromium |
| 17:34.37 | judd | Package: chromium on i386 -- squeeze: 0.9.14.1-2; wheezy: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; jessie: 41.0.2272.76-2; sid: 41.0.2272.118-1 |
| 17:35.15 | MouseTheLuckyDog | Let's see if I can ask this without garbling .... When I create a directory using apt-get source, I get three files and a subdir. How can I recreate the subdir from the files that are downloaded. |
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| 17:35.45 | jelly | jnewt: chromium package in wheezy seems to be only available on amd64 and i386 |
| 17:36.03 | jelly | jnewt: https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/chromium |
| 17:37.15 | jnewt | ah, so what are my options? can i attempt to build from source? download a .deb somewhere? i've never had this issue before. |
| 17:37.44 | jelly | if it were easy to build from source I guess debian would have done it |
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| 17:38.53 | jelly | jnewt: otoh, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/armhf/chromium-browser |
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| 17:41.08 | jnewt | jelly: i understand that ubuntu and debian are similar, does that mean i can somehow use one of those binaries to install on my system? and would this avoid the requirement for chromium? |
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| 17:41.50 | jnewt | it seems odd to me that there is a package for chromium-browser, which depends on chromium, but no package for chromium |
| 17:41.58 | jelly | jnewt: "use the distro that actually cares about armhf" |
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| 17:42.50 | jelly | chromium-browser is probably a no-content transitional package |
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| 17:43.54 | jelly | jnewt: I would not recommend any transplanting of binary .debs between distros (or even between releases), that way lies madness |
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| 17:46.24 | GPenguin | i dont get it. nobody wants to help |
| 17:46.58 | srg | What's your question GPenguin? Maybe everyone was busy :-P |
| 17:47.14 | jelly | GPenguin: you're asking for the wrong thing _and_ it's a holiday in many christian-based countries |
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| 17:47.28 | srg | holiday? I had to work :-( |
| 17:47.35 | srg | is in a christian-based country |
| 17:47.44 | jelly | srg: not christian enough! |
| 17:47.46 | srg | lol |
| 17:47.50 | GPenguin | jelly: why the wrong thing? |
| 17:48.08 | jelly | GPenguin: it's contrary to best SMTP practices |
| 17:48.21 | srg | GPenguin: I scrolled up and saw something about exim accepted non-existing addreses. Maybe what you want is virtual users? |
| 17:48.25 | GPenguin | i need it to test a website |
| 17:48.36 | srg | so the unix account doesn't need to exist to have a mailbox. |
| 17:48.45 | GPenguin | no i dont want 100 test users in my system |
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| 17:49.02 | vandox | Catchall maybe? |
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| 17:49.23 | jelly | catchalls are also silly (don't use them please) |
| 17:49.35 | srg | vandox: That might work in scripts/alises but wont work for accepting mail |
| 17:49.42 | GPenguin | the config of exim4 is a nightmare. the person who created that should be beaten to death |
| 17:49.46 | srg | i don't think, at least. I think the MTAs are smarter |
| 17:49.54 | srg | GPenguin: Uh, try sendmail. Exim is pretty god. |
| 17:49.57 | srg | good* |
| 17:49.59 | jelly | GPenguin: personally I prefer postfix. |
| 17:50.00 | f-a | #debian, I am giving telephonical help in to my mother. Apparently as now (gnome3/wheezy) she has an option to "suspend" but not "shutdown". I don't use gnome3, any idea on where to turn the option on? |
| 17:50.03 | srg | I use Postfix as well. |
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| 17:55.49 | teraflop | f-a just press shift while clicking it. if i remember well |
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| 17:56.42 | f-a | teraflop: that's awesome, but is there a way to change it permanently (I'd like her to have it as simple as possible) |
| 17:56.56 | teraflop | f-a yes |
| 17:57.19 | f-a | all ears teraflop :P |
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| 17:57.24 | teraflop | the gnome tweak whatever |
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| 17:58.13 | teraflop | gnome-tweak-tool im no y sure about the name |
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| 17:58.41 | f-a | ok let me search it |
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| 17:59.30 | teraflop | srry tje typos f-a im on the phone |
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| 17:59.43 | f-a | ;) no worries |
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| 18:12.31 | lam0re_ | i noticed something strange. if i change /usr/bin/ssh and run "debsums -a openssh-client" the ssh binary is not checked anymore by debsums (and there is no message that it changed) |
| 18:12.47 | lam0re_ | can someone confirm this and/or knows the reason why this is the case? |
| 18:12.56 | jelly | lam0re_: how did you change it? |
| 18:13.01 | lam0re_ | echo |
| 18:13.07 | lam0re_ | echo foo > ssh |
| 18:13.07 | f-a | thanks teraflop , works like a charm |
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| 18:13.29 | lam0re_ | if i change /usr/bin/yes for instance it is detected by debsums |
| 18:13.39 | lam0re_ | the hash for ssh is there (and correct) |
| 18:13.51 | jelly | lam0re_: what does ls -ld /usr/bin/ssh look now? |
| 18:14.14 | lam0re_ | jelly: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 4 Apr 6 18:10 /usr/bin/ssh |
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| 18:16.22 | teraflop | f-a: np ;) |
| 18:16.26 | jelly | lam0re_: and "debsums -c openssh-client" outputs nothing? |
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| 18:17.26 | lam0re_ | yea, nothing |
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| 18:18.00 | jelly | lam0re_: pastebin the output of dpkg -l libc6 debsums openssh-client |
| 18:18.50 | jelly | lam0re_: also: "which debsums; readlink -f $(which debsums); readlink -f /usr/bin/ssh" |
| 18:18.53 | lam0re_ | jelly: http://pastebin.com/92dLSUQQ |
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| 18:19.27 | lam0re_ | nummero duo: http://pastebin.com/9nSY2Mx6 |
| 18:19.41 | _bobo | numero dos |
| 18:19.53 | lam0re_ | meh, close enough ^^ |
| 18:19.59 | _bobo | yup |
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| 18:21.49 | lam0re_ | jelly: http://pastebin.com/667mDcam |
| 18:22.08 | lam0re_ | line 4, line 49 |
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| 18:23.31 | lam0re_ | jelly: http://pastebin.com/ZWWUxiRB |
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| 18:24.08 | lam0re_ | i added a change of scp in the last paste. that is detected, just not ssh |
| 18:24.27 | jelly | that is worrying :-) |
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| 18:29.09 | srg | I have a laptop that is getting old. I would like to back it up in such a way that it will be minimal work to restore it. I know of apt-clone and just rsyncing all my config/user data to an external drive. But I also thought of just cloning the entire HDD to another one. |
| 18:29.30 | srg | Is it possible to clone an encrypted HDD? |
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| 18:31.44 | lam0re_ | jelly: it sure is. but it seems to be a general debian problem |
| 18:31.53 | lam0re_ | i tested it in multiple virtual machines |
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| 18:32.48 | lam0re_ | tested on debian 7. ubuntu does detect ssh changes |
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| 18:36.59 | jelly | lam0re_: which image did you use to install debian 7? |
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| 18:39.25 | lam0re_ | net install, i guess |
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| 18:43.18 | jelly | lam0re_: huh, I can reproduce it on amd64 |
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| 18:44.31 | jelly | lam0re_: please file a bug report on debsums. |
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| 18:47.11 | lam0re_ | jelly: okay, i will do that in some minutes |
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| 18:48.06 | kruug | Hello, I downloaded an exe on Debian with the assumption that, if it were to be infected, a virus couldn't affect the Linux install from within an EXE file. Now, I want to copy this exe file over to Windows, but I want to verify that it's not a virus. |
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| 18:48.15 | kruug | What's a good virus scanner for Debian? |
| 18:48.30 | kruug | I've heard of Clam, is that still the "go-to"? |
| 18:49.49 | jelly | kruug: clamav, yes |
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| 18:54.19 | jhutchins | kruug: avg had a free version, better than clam. |
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| 19:11.49 | jelly | lam0re_: seems to be a bug in dpkg-query or debsums. debsums calls dpkg-query "--admindir=/var/lib/dpkg" -S usr/bin/ssh, and dpkg-query manual suggests -S wants a glob pattern, but it returns lots of results instead of a single one or zero |
| 19:12.14 | TrFaSu | help!! plzz does any1 know fast internet scanner Zmap |
| 19:13.33 | TrFaSu | ? |
| 19:13.35 | TrFaSu | ? |
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| 19:14.01 | teraflop | TrFaSu: you mean zemnap? |
| 19:14.03 | NoImNotNineVolt | yes! |
| 19:14.08 | NoImNotNineVolt | i've heard of it! :) |
| 19:14.35 | NoImNotNineVolt | that's the ridiculously fast one, right? |
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| 19:14.47 | NoImNotNineVolt | yea, yea it is. |
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| 19:15.10 | NoImNotNineVolt | i read some stuff about it recently. benchmarking of some underlying tech or something. i don't remember. |
| 19:15.12 | TrFaSu | NoImNotNineVolt: well, i installed it using apt-get and have not built it from source. |
| 19:15.24 | TrFaSu | NoImNotNineVolt: yeah! it is |
| 19:15.40 | lam0re_ | zenmap und zmap are different things |
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| 19:15.48 | lam0re_ | okay, nice, jelly |
| 19:15.57 | lam0re_ | ups, and* |
| 19:16.10 | TrFaSu | lam0re_ : yeah! zenmap is gui of namp. Zmap is different one |
| 19:16.16 | teraflop | lam0re_: yay I see |
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| 19:16.40 | NoImNotNineVolt | i haven't used it myself, but it sounds like it's well-made. |
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| 19:17.05 | TrFaSu | NoImNotNineVolt: i m trying it but it is showing [FATAL] get-iface-ip: ioctl failure: Cannot assign requested address |
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| 19:17.17 | NoImNotNineVolt | :( |
| 19:17.26 | TrFaSu | :-( |
| 19:17.30 | teraflop | heh |
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| 19:18.14 | teraflop | TrFaSu: as root? |
| 19:18.54 | TrFaSu | teraflop: yeah! as root |
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| 19:20.00 | TrFaSu | teraflop: may be i;ve to email this problem to Zakir Durumeric |
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| 19:20.58 | jelly | lam0re_: fixed between wheezy and jessie |
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| 19:21.31 | TrFaSu | teraflop: any help, plzz? |
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| 19:22.16 | teraflop | TrFaSu: how could I help you? ive never used that thing in my life |
| 19:22.28 | NoImNotNineVolt | nobody has. |
| 19:22.36 | NoImNotNineVolt | the user base is internet researchers. |
| 19:22.55 | lam0re_ | jelly: should i report it anyway? |
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| 19:23.17 | jelly | lam0re_: it's #775313, but still needs to be fixed in wheezy |
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| 19:27.20 | jelly | lam0re_: you can poke that bug report and ask for a wheezy fix again. |
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| 19:47.09 | damarusama | for a celeron M laptop - should I get the amd64 iso ? |
| 19:47.18 | Guest14434 | ~ |
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| 19:48.29 | ArcVile | g |
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| 19:49.39 | damarusama | yeah the i386 is not booting |
| 19:49.45 | srg | damarusama: If the CPU supports 64 bit, then get the amd64 iso. I'd need more detail about your CPU because not all celerons support 64 bit. |
| 19:50.00 | srg | damarusama: i386 will run on 32 or 64 bit |
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| 19:50.08 | srg | So if i386 isn't booting, there's another problem. |
| 19:50.17 | damarusama | hum, ok ~ |
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| 19:51.14 | damarusama | does the debian install start X on the install media? |
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| 19:51.48 | damarusama | on the net install |
| 19:52.02 | squisher | damarusama, no X on the net install |
| 19:52.23 | jhutchins | srg: Right. |
| 19:52.34 | jhutchins | srg: Did you check the md5sum of the download? |
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| 19:53.51 | damarusama | srg: so it would be a waste to try another installer at this point? |
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| 19:54.30 | squisher | damarusama, see what jhutchins said |
| 19:55.09 | damarusama | jhutchins: my bad ;( |
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| 19:55.40 | squisher | another question would be: cd/dvd or usb stick? if the former, make sure you burn the iso correctly, if the latter maybe try another stick or usb port |
| 19:56.04 | damarusama | ok will do, usb created with dd |
| 19:56.31 | squisher | dd is the recommended way afaik |
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| 19:57.34 | damarusama | :S my debian netinstall iso is 7gb ! I think I dd the wrong way |
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| 19:58.10 | jhutchins | damarusama: We usually start with the iso checksum, because it's the easiest to check an dmost likely to be wrong. |
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| 19:58.41 | squisher | damarusama, hehe, be careful with dd, it's a sharp knife |
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| 19:59.33 | damarusama | yeah I see that ~ first time I dd the wrong way ;) |
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| 20:22.51 | damarusama | if I want to do a fresh install with openbox instead of other WM the expert install should give me the selection to do so? |
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| 20:23.57 | GPenguin | damarusama: select no desktop at all and do it manually via apt-get |
| 20:24.18 | damarusama | ho I didn't see there was a possibility to select no desktop |
| 20:24.22 | damarusama | :S |
| 20:24.35 | GPenguin | hehe |
| 20:24.37 | damarusama | I am in the expert graphical install |
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| 20:25.00 | jelly | after the installation, do something like |
| 20:25.02 | jelly | !install x |
| 20:25.02 | dpkg | To install X in Debian: "aptitude update && aptitude install xorg". You may also want to install a desktop environment - ask me about <install gnome>, <install kde>, <install xfce>, <install lxde> - or a window manager, ask me about <window manager>. To configure your X server, ask me about <xorg config>. |
| 20:25.18 | jelly | then install openbox |
| 20:26.16 | damarusama | thanks |
| 20:26.37 | GPenguin | check the debian wiki regarding openbox. it contains a few useful tips |
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| 20:35.11 | damarusama | thinking of just going with lxde install for a light install and not worry about open box |
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| 20:38.26 | lonelybyte | who use fvwm2 ? |
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| 20:47.18 | acz32 | what determines what extras are bundled when you apt-get something. i don't think thunar should be trying to install xfce4-panel and other xfce stuff unless you specifically tell it not to |
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| 20:48.59 | babilen | acz32: Package dependencies. Some of which are recommendations that you don't *have* to install. |
| 20:49.07 | babilen | dpkg: tell acz32 -about apt recommends |
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| 20:49.39 | babilen | judd: why thunar xfce4-panel |
| 20:50.03 | judd | Packages thunar and xfce4-panel in wheezy/i386 are linked by 1 chains: thunar ▷ xfce4-panel |
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| 20:50.09 | littlebit | hi people I have a problem with connecting to my server via ssh. I can ping my server but when trying to do a ssh user@server nothing happens. A look at the servers dmesg |
| 20:50.32 | babilen | acz32: You can see these dependencies when you run "apt-cache show thunar" and you'd see xfce4-panel listed under "Recommendations:" |
| 20:50.40 | acz32 | it's just strange because the panel ads no functionality to a file manager |
| 20:50.47 | littlebit | it gets me this: |
| 20:50.50 | babilen | err, "Recommends:" |
| 20:50.53 | littlebit | pastebin.com/APP1fKzb |
| 20:50.57 | littlebit | can someone help?? |
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| 20:51.24 | acz32 | babilen: thanks. it seems more appropriate for it to be in the list of suggestions, not recommendations |
| 20:52.16 | babilen | acz32: Feel free to file a bug. I not using thunar or XFCE, but your argument sounds about right |
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| 20:52.53 | squisher | littlebit, if you configured ssh to listen on port 14013 then it looks like your firewall is blocking access to it |
| 20:54.08 | acz32 | babilen: ok, i'll do that |
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| 20:58.25 | dimitry7 | hi guys. If I run rsync between two servers with public IPs each, Rsync is secure by default right? |
| 20:58.44 | dimitry7 | I don't need to specify ssh or something do I? |
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| 21:05.14 | ag4ve | so this is a ubuntu system, but all of this should be upstream, so.... |
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| 21:05.51 | ag4ve | i've got a 3.19.3 kernel build with make deb-pkg; cd ..; dpkg -i *.deb |
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| 21:07.01 | squisher | dimitry7, rsync uses ssh by default, which is encrypted and secure. The rsync:// protocol is not encrypted afaik, at least out of the box |
| 21:07.03 | ag4ve | the issue is when i try to dpkg-reconfigure virtualbox-dkms i get an error |
| 21:07.25 | ag4ve | ERROR (dkms apport): kernel package linux-headers-3.19.3 is not supported |
| 21:07.58 | squisher | ag4ve, I'm not sure that ubuntu is the same there, for example I'd use make-kpkg to build the kernel (but not sure that's your issue) |
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| 21:08.23 | squisher | it may just be that virtualbox doesn't support the newest kernel yet |
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| 21:09.59 | ag4ve | make deb-pkg is a kernel makefile command |
| 21:10.15 | ag4ve | but i think the issue is with dkms |
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| 21:10.49 | squisher | ag4ve, yes they probably check the kernel version. You could patch the package to not do that, but it probably has that check for a reason ;-) |
| 21:11.05 | aaro | ag4ve: check virtualbox doc to see if the version you're using support that kernel |
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| 21:13.03 | ag4ve | yeah, i'm thinking of just compiling vbox - google isn't showing much |
| 21:13.21 | dimitry7 | squisher, clear, thanks man! |
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| 21:14.04 | squisher | ag4ve, probably not helpful for you, but that's why I prefer qemu/kvm -- no out of tree modules |
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| 21:23.37 | tuxpunk | im having trouble installing debian on my desktop. it worked just fine on my laptop but says the network autoconfiguration failed |
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| 21:30.53 | tuxpunk | anyone know how to fix it? |
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| 21:37.16 | GPenguin | tuxpunk: where does your IP and gateway info come from? your router? |
| 21:37.25 | tuxpunk | yes |
| 21:38.08 | tuxpunk | the installation on my laptop went just fine but my dekstop isnt working |
| 21:38.51 | GPenguin | i tried to remember how you get to a console in the graphical installer because i always use the expert install |
| 21:39.13 | GPenguin | hmmm |
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| 21:39.32 | Bremsstrahlung | tuxpunk, it's strange that it failed for a desktop -- generally it's laptops and their integrated WLAN that have issues. |
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| 21:40.04 | tuxpunk | yeah. ive never had this problem before installing other distros on the desktop |
| 21:40.25 | GPenguin | maybe the driver could not be installed. we need a console to check :) |
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| 21:40.44 | tuxpunk | i need something light though and debian was reccomended because its an older desktop |
| 21:41.11 | tuxpunk | i do have a bare bones installation if that works |
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| 21:41.19 | YamakasY | hi guys |
| 21:41.51 | YamakasY | I'm running a debian based loadbalancer (zen) and trying to start a service on it. is it possible that this could have been blocked somewhere ? |
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| 21:44.11 | tuxpunk | would that help GPenguin? |
| 21:44.53 | GPenguin | tuxpunk: try CTRL+ALT+F2 first, please. |
| 21:44.57 | tuxpunk | ok |
| 21:45.08 | tuxpunk | that worked! |
| 21:45.11 | tuxpunk | now what? |
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| 21:46.29 | GPenguin | tuxpunk: check with "ifconfig" if the device is there |
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| 21:46.47 | tuxpunk | ifconfig not found |
| 21:47.12 | GPenguin | tuxpunk: and what about "dhclient eth0"? |
| 21:47.36 | tuxpunk | also not found |
| 21:49.05 | GPenguin | tuxpunk: lets try the installer log in /var/log for error messages |
| 21:51.01 | tuxpunk | ok what am i looking for? |
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| 21:52.02 | tuxpunk | i see a syslog and aXorg.0.log |
| 21:52.06 | tuxpunk | sys i mean |
| 21:52.17 | tuxpunk | crap. i mean Xorg.0.log |
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| 21:52.46 | GPenguin | tuxpunk: syslog will be a good place to look |
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| 21:52.53 | tuxpunk | ok |
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| 21:53.55 | tuxpunk | i am seeing that its missing the firmware. |
| 21:54.28 | tuxpunk | eth1394 |
| 21:55.04 | YamakasY | anyone an idea how a service could be prevent from binding to an IP ? |
| 21:56.08 | GPenguin | tuxpunk: 1394 is firewire thats not it |
| 21:56.24 | tuxpunk | oh ok. hmmm |
| 21:56.31 | GPenguin | tuxpunk: you connect via classic ethernet, right? |
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| 21:57.43 | GPenguin | (and you see a link diode glowing on the router i hope) |
| 21:57.45 | tuxpunk | yea |
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| 21:57.57 | tuxpunk | and yea. :) |
| 21:58.00 | GPenguin | :) |
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| 22:00.49 | GPenguin | tuxpunk: what says a grep for "Ethernet" on the hardware-summary log? |
| 22:01.19 | tuxpunk | hold please! |
| 22:02.35 | tuxpunk | werid now it works |
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| 22:03.20 | steppin | hi, i am using jessie I tried to switch to systemd by appending init=/bin/systemd to my kernel line. It worked ok, but when it attempts to mount my encrypted partition in /etc/cryptatb i just see a "cylon" eye and no password prompt. Do I need to do something to get this to work with systemd? |
| 22:03.34 | GPenguin | tuxpunk: i love these problems the most :) |
| 22:04.10 | jhutchins | !systemd |
| 22:04.11 | dpkg | systemd is a system and service manager for Linux, compatible with SysV and LSB init scripts. It is a replacement for <sysvinit>. systemd is shipped as a technology preview in Debian 7 "Wheezy" and will be be the default init system in Debian 8 "Jessie". https://wiki.debian.org/systemd #debian-systemd on irc.oftc.net http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd #systemd on irc.freenode.net. See also <why systemd>. |
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| 22:04.38 | tuxpunk | hahahah. :) |
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| 22:05.42 | tuxpunk | also i think i accidentally installed i386 instead of 64 bit on my laptop. is there any way to instaall the 64 from what i have now or should i just do a complete re-install |
| 22:06.26 | steppin | jhutchins: is there something specific i should be looking at? |
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| 22:07.46 | GPenguin | tuxpunk: you would have doublicate packages on the system if you "dpkg --add-architecture" |
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| 22:08.21 | tuxpunk | so do a complete re-install? |
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| 22:09.10 | steppin | tuxpunk: that's going to be your best bet |
| 22:09.12 | GPenguin | lets wait a few minutes in case somebody else objects. otherwise: new install |
| 22:09.19 | GPenguin | ah |
| 22:09.20 | tuxpunk | ok thanks. |
| 22:10.27 | jhutchins | steppin: I'l try the debian wiki link first. |
| 22:10.41 | jhutchins | s/i'l/I'd |
| 22:10.51 | steppin | i started there :P |
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| 22:12.00 | Roland- | hello is there any way to backup a lvm like on write? |
| 22:12.07 | Roland- | tried drbd, slow performance |
| 22:12.20 | Roland- | I am intersted in a background async |
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| 22:16.33 | GPenguin | took only 2 hours with my MTA to be run over by chinese bots, hehe |
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| 22:20.15 | valdyn | Roland-: on write...drbd slow - so you want a raid? |
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| 22:20.37 | Roland- | well about that |
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| 22:21.06 | Roland- | I would prefer a raid 1 at least but this is a blade system with only two drives I am afraid |
| 22:21.49 | Roland- | woth some expensive ssds that need capacity |
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| 22:22.00 | Roland- | I would need some even slow backup solution |
| 22:22.05 | jhutchins | Roland-: the more layers of cruft between your application and storage, the worse your performance will be. One of our bright lads put the central NAS volume on LVM. Took about 80 websites down because of the performance hit. |
| 22:22.26 | valdyn | but that hit was not due to lvm |
| 22:22.33 | Roland- | the issue is that drbd is limiting my performance on the host as well. |
| 22:22.44 | jhutchins | valdyn: Yes, it was entirely due to adding lvm. That was the only difference. |
| 22:22.54 | Roland- | even though the replication would be on infiniband ddr |
| 22:23.03 | valdyn | jhutchins: i really doubt that, lvm is not a significant layer.. |
| 22:23.26 | jhutchins | valdyn: Doubt it all you want. |
| 22:23.57 | jhutchins | valdyn: This is a high-traffic environment, multiple high traffic sites all hitting the same NAS from about 15 web heads. |
| 22:24.16 | steppin | how do i select which password agent systemd uses? |
| 22:25.11 | OSVG | jhutchins: That seems exceptionally fragile, and an odd situation. |
| 22:25.14 | jhutchins | steppin: I think the majority of us here are still on init. You might find more knowledge in #debian-next on oftc.net - they cover jessie/sid. |
| 22:25.20 | Roland- | alright so drbd so far would be my option |
| 22:25.25 | valdyn | Roland-: http://www-01.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSPHQG_7.1.0/com.ibm.powerha.plangd/ha_plan_lvm_mirroring_split.htm |
| 22:25.27 | steppin | jhutchins: thanks! |
| 22:25.35 | Roland- | reads |
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| 22:26.02 | Roland- | ah no, no san |
| 22:26.05 | Roland- | for the moment |
| 22:26.07 | Roland- | no tengo dineros |
| 22:26.12 | steppin | jhutchins: hmm, i try to join #debian-next and my client claims it is +i? |
| 22:26.20 | steppin | oh, on oftc |
| 22:26.23 | steppin | mb |
| 22:26.25 | jhutchins | OSVG: No, it's just high enough traffic that the extra layer becomes a problem. LVM adds another layer of software to every transaction. |
| 22:26.34 | jhutchins | steppin: Good catch. |
| 22:26.39 | valdyn | Roland-: thats just ibm talk - i dont know what you really need to use that |
| 22:26.52 | valdyn | Roland-: lvm mirroring |
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| 22:27.29 | Roland- | oh that sounds nice |
| 22:27.55 | TwoWholeWorms | That thing where the 3D modeller you sent about 6 pages of descriptions and reference photos to comes back with EXACTLY what you wanted but even better. :D |
| 22:28.11 | OSVG | jhutchins: A single NAS servicing 80+ websites that are so high traffic that LVM takes them down completely though? That seems extremely fragile. LVM is certainly another layer between application and storage, but literally everything between LVM and the application would have a dramatically larger effect than LVM would, in normal scenarios. |
| 22:28.37 | valdyn | jhutchins: maybe he did a pvmove or somesuch |
| 22:28.41 | Roland- | hmz, lvm mirroring is interesting |
| 22:28.44 | valdyn | jhutchins: of course that would explain it |
| 22:28.46 | TwoWholeWorms | Oh, dammit, wrong channel. >.< |
| 22:28.48 | TwoWholeWorms | Sorry. |
| 22:28.50 | Roland- | but I am afraid it will act like drbd |
| 22:28.55 | jhutchins | valdyn: No. |
| 22:29.05 | valdyn | Roland-: yea, probably |
| 22:29.06 | Roland- | slow me to the network speed and this is an issues as the ssds currently hit 700 MB/s |
| 22:29.29 | Roland- | I need something that will copy on write in the backround |
| 22:29.33 | jhutchins | valdyn: You can disbelieve and you can try to blame it on something else, but it was LVM because LVM is another layer of transactions and it causes higher load and lower performance. Period. |
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| 22:29.41 | Roland- | without affecting the actual host speed |
| 22:29.54 | valdyn | Roland-: strictly speaking thats not possible |
| 22:29.57 | jhutchins | valdyn: Most home systems are powerful enough for their tasks that you never notice, but at industrial scale it's noticable. |
| 22:30.31 | Roland- | in theoury it should not be such an big issue |
| 22:30.43 | jhutchins | Don't some of the newer filesystem (btrfs?) have that capability? |
| 22:30.58 | valdyn | thats what i was going to suggest next |
| 22:31.13 | Roland- | I can read about it altough I kind of have lvms |
| 22:31.19 | valdyn | but btrfs also has a very different performance behaviour |
| 22:31.29 | OSVG | jhutchins: I work in industrial scale, and I've never seen LVM generate enough transactional latency to cause web servers to not be able to respond in a timely fashion. I could understand it if you were doing HFT and the databases couldn't keep up, but that's an edge case. |
| 22:31.32 | valdyn | Roland-: they can be stacked |
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| 22:31.45 | valdyn | Roland-: its "just" a filesystem |
| 22:32.19 | Roland- | I guess I am down to daily backups |
| 22:32.25 | valdyn | when we talk about a layer that may cause 1/1000000 overhead, then i dont know what we are talking about |
| 22:32.48 | jhutchins | OSVG: You know what they say about problems you've never encountered. |
| 22:32.48 | valdyn | Roland-: yea, btrfs is somewhat risky, its a big change |
| 22:34.10 | valdyn | Roland-: but you may still want to read up on "btrfs send" |
| 22:34.56 | OSVG | jhutchins: No, I'm not aware. Given that you haven't really shared what kind of traffic you're suggesting, and whether you think you're a corner case or a mainline case for usage, what type of disks were in the NAS, whether you actually mean NAS or SAN, how they were attached, or anything else, I'm simply suggesting that you might be the outlier rather than the rule. |
| 22:35.01 | OSVG | Not that your problem doesn't exist. |
| 22:35.14 | Roland- | I don't trust btrfs and I don't know why |
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| 22:35.27 | valdyn | Roland-: thats good, its new |
| 22:36.08 | valdyn | Roland-: facebook use it, and they are still sending patches ;) |
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| 22:37.04 | Roland- | I guess simpliest solution is lvm snapshot into an iscsi target |
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| 22:47.06 | Roland- | inspects glusterfs |
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| 22:58.55 | meLon | Is anybody familiar with any Fingerprint Scanners that allow you to use it with an external database (mysql, mongo) vs built-in FLASH and Enrolling? |
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| 22:59.11 | nse | Is it right if I say that each .deb in general works in any distribution that is Debian-based? |
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| 22:59.53 | meLon | nse: You'll find you're able to use many Debian .debs on Ubuntu and vica-versa, but it's hardly recommended and can cause serious issues if you aren't carefull. However, some 'releases' of some apps do just this. |
| 23:00.24 | Funambuli | hiii!!! |
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| 23:00.30 | Funambuli | a pair of questions |
| 23:00.48 | Funambuli | how do i remove the ppa repositories at the shell |
| 23:01.06 | Funambuli | and wich file allocates them? |
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| 23:01.42 | nse | Thank you, meLon. |
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| 23:41.49 | cra1g321 | so i accidentally just did "chmod 0755 /usr/sbin" rather than "chmod 0755 /usr/sbin/file" whats the default permissions for /usr/sbin ? |
| 23:43.13 | cra1g321 | i'm guessing it's still just 0755 ? |
| 23:43.24 | hatter__ | can I mount a disk by UUID instead of /dev/sdx ? What I mean is, when USB hard drives are plugged in using autofs, if another drive is plugged in it gets a different /dev/sdx |
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| 23:48.03 | dimitry7 | hi |
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| 23:51.14 | dgriffi | would someone please help me understand why no process whatsover is able to listen on any network port? |
| 23:51.26 | dgriffi | this is an absolutely fresh install of wheezy |
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| 23:55.16 | hatter__ | dgriffi, I don't understand your question |
| 23:56.31 | dgriffi | hatter__: if I type "nc -l -p 7000" on a good system and then telnet to that machine's port 7000 and type something, I get that something returned by netcat |
| 23:56.38 | dgriffi | I cannot do this on the new machine |
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| 23:57.01 | hatter__ | stupid question... have you install netcat ? |
| 23:57.06 | dgriffi | hatter__: yes |
| 23:57.31 | hatter__ | second stupid question: have you locked it down with iptables or some firewall inadvertently |
| 23:57.32 | hatter__ | ? |
| 23:57.39 | dgriffi | on the new machine, if I telnet to localhost 7000, I get telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Network is unreachable |
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| 23:58.06 | dgriffi | hatter__: didn't touch the system past the install |
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| 23:58.38 | cheche | has anyone an example of xorg.conf dualhead but not cloning? |
| 23:58.49 | hatter__ | what if you telnet localhost 22 ? |
| 23:58.50 | cheche | I want to setup 2 monitors and une card |
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