| 00:00.15 | dgriffi | Trying 127.0.0.1... |
| 00:00.15 | dgriffi | Trying ::1... |
| 00:00.15 | dgriffi | telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Network is unreachable |
| 00:01.13 | dgriffi | oh crap... somehow the loopback interface was off |
| 00:01.18 | dgriffi | how the hell did that happen? |
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| 00:01.31 | hatter__ | what is the output of netstat -nr ? |
| 00:01.48 | hatter__ | strange, haven't seen that happen before |
| 00:02.02 | dgriffi | things are working now |
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| 00:02.58 | dgriffi | now lets see if cups came back. this is what first set me off to something being wrong |
| 00:03.13 | dgriffi | I ran out of patience and reinstalled the OS and the problem was still there |
| 00:03.27 | dgriffi | cups is back |
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| 00:04.08 | dgriffi | got any ideas on why the loopback might get turned off? |
| 00:04.48 | cafuego | check /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:04.55 | cafuego | make sure lo is in there |
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| 00:05.24 | ProfessorKaos64 | what is the equivalent of kernel-devil for Debian? |
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| 00:06.33 | mtn | ProfessorKaos64: the package manager? |
| 00:06.46 | ProfessorKaos64 | Ah, I think I found it, kernel-package |
| 00:06.57 | ProfessorKaos64 | devel* sorry |
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| 00:13.00 | somiaj | ProfessorKaos64: are you wanting to build debian sources or vanilla sources from kenrel.org? |
| 00:13.17 | somiaj | ProfessorKaos64: kernel-package isn't used that much because all the info to build debian packages from a kernel is now in the upstream (vanilla) kernel. |
| 00:13.20 | ProfessorKaos64 | just a required pkg , at least stated for building retroarch from source |
| 00:13.29 | ProfessorKaos64 | ah, ok. Thanks somiaj |
| 00:13.35 | dgriffi | cafuego: lo is in /etc/network/interfaces. |
| 00:13.50 | dgriffi | cafuego: I just rebooted the machine and lo was again not started |
| 00:14.12 | somiaj | ProfessorKaos64: just grab any modern kernel source from kernel.org (or even a debian kernel -- look at linux-source packages), you can also look at the debian patches. |
| 00:14.40 | somiaj | ProfessorKaos64: configure it like you prefer (I use to use make menuconfig). Then make the kernel. just use make deb-pkg (or something like that I forget the exact name of the make target) |
| 00:14.51 | ProfessorKaos64 | ah, yes menuconfig |
| 00:14.56 | somiaj | ProfessorKaos64: you just need to have build-essential along with some of the debian packing tools installed. I forget what they are |
| 00:15.10 | somiaj | also you need libncurses5-dev (I sure hope it ist still 5) |
| 00:15.22 | somiaj | I stoped complining my own kernel around 3.0 as it got to hard to keep up with all the changes. |
| 00:15.24 | ProfessorKaos64 | ok, thank you very much |
| 00:16.05 | somiaj | ProfessorKaos64: yea kernel-package is still around, but I don't think many use it these days as you don't need sepcial tools since the info to make a debian package is contained in the upstream source. |
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| 00:16.30 | hatter__ | Which external drive setup would work best for mdadm raid 1 ? if you had USB3 and used UUID to identify, you would have to make sure power save wasn't turned on, but what about something else like esata ? have any of you done it ? |
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| 00:17.22 | dgriffi | oh boy... somehow the package ifupdown was missing. that's why /etc/network/interfaces wasn't being read |
| 00:17.25 | somiaj | hatter__: are you wanting to run actual raid1 (mirror) with software over usb. Or would you just like to use usb to make regular snapshots/backups? |
| 00:18.03 | hatter__ | somiaj, yes, I am wanting to use external drives with raid1 mirror |
| 00:18.05 | somiaj | hatter__: I personally wouldn't use usb3 if you are going to run a real raid as it dosen't have the bus speed. esata might be better, any reason why you dont' want to just run the actual raid on the same buss as your normal drive? |
| 00:18.22 | somiaj | hatter__: would rsync in a cron job be good enough, or do you want real time mirrorning? |
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| 00:19.35 | somiaj | hatter__: I haven't played much with usb3 speeds, but in general if you are running raid on an external drive you are basically running your os on a usbdrive, which may cause lots of bottle necks during times of large writes/deletes to your filesystem. |
| 00:19.36 | hatter__ | somiaj, I am thinking of cheap extra drive space for data in a box that already has all the motherboard sata drives used, |
| 00:20.11 | hatter__ | somiaj, hmm yes, the idea is just for extra storage space, not for data speed |
| 00:20.34 | hatter__ | but the idea of regular rysnc |
| 00:21.11 | hatter__ | 's is probably fine, as the point is the data is backups, however rsync and duplication is probably fine. |
| 00:21.40 | somiaj | hatter__: I personally would just set up a cron job to say rsync once every few hours (or day) depending on how often you think is safe for a backup. Raid1 will put extra load and I personally have no experience with software raid over usb and not sure what you will run into. |
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| 00:22.05 | somiaj | again the rsync method if your drive dies in between two rsync jobs will loose data but not much. |
| 00:22.18 | somiaj | Also realize a mirror is not a backup, if you want a backup, you should look into a real backup (not a mirror) |
| 00:22.37 | somiaj | i.e. a mirror won't allow you to recover a file you delete and then decide you didn't mean to a few days later. |
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| 00:23.32 | hatter__ | somiaj, yes I know, I am talking about offsite backups, just a pain if one drive dies and have to get the entire dataset again |
| 00:23.48 | hatter__ | regular rsync would be fine though. |
| 00:24.16 | somiaj | hatter__: I don't have much experience with usb3, it is much faster than usb2, but you still might notice your system bogs down during the rsync. |
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| 00:24.35 | ultra20 | salut |
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| 00:24.50 | somiaj | Others with more experience than me may have an idea what software raid over usb3 would be like, I was just more talking about your idea with ya just to clarify things, maybe it helps maybe it didn't. (: |
| 00:24.51 | hatter__ | somiaj, I have never used esata, have you ? |
| 00:24.54 | ultra20 | hello |
| 00:25.18 | ultra20 | i have some problemes with my ubuntu |
| 00:25.21 | somiaj | hatter__: nope, but I'm just a desktop hobbiest who owns a custom built desktop and a laptop for work. Dont' take my experience on anything in production. |
| 00:25.28 | cafuego | hatter__: esata afaik is just sata on a port that happens to be on the outside of a machine. |
| 00:25.31 | somiaj | ultra20: then you should go ask your community in #ubuntu for help. |
| 00:25.38 | ultra20 | some on can help me please |
| 00:25.46 | somiaj | !ubuntu |
| 00:25.46 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
| 00:25.49 | hatter__ | somiaj, I am interested in testing usb3 on this topic, soon all mobos will have 6-10 usb3 ports. |
| 00:26.22 | somiaj | hatter__: yea I have heard good things, and the usb3 port on my system seems to go fast, but I only do backups like (gulps) every 6 months to eyar. |
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| 00:31.11 | donofrio | paste.debian.net/165366 I get only mouse after netinstall debian8 no gui unless I goto tty2 and do a startx (starting another desktop cause startxfce4 doesn't want to start *another* x cause one is running guessing tty8 but only mouse move) thoughts? |
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| 00:33.27 | somiaj | donofrio: do you have an outdated netinstall. Jessie shoudl be using the 3.16 kernel (figured ppc would be using it to) |
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| 00:34.30 | somiaj | yea your kernel is outdated, makes me wonder if your install is too. |
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| 00:34.49 | donofrio | it's a netinstall so should be 'current?' |
| 00:35.47 | somiaj | well that post says your kernel is outdated. I would make sure you have dist-upgraded to everything current. |
| 00:36.01 | somiaj | not sure if that is the cause of your issue, but it is the only thign I notice. |
| 00:37.02 | donofrio | oh - facepalm, no no updates (figured netinstall would be *up-to-date* I guess it's not? |
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| 00:38.14 | somiaj | totally depends on how old the image is |
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| 00:38.40 | somiaj | netinstall contains a base system so the base is as current as the image (since testing images are always changing they can get out of date). Everything beyond the base should be upto date though. |
| 00:40.41 | somiaj | donofrio: not sure if that will help your mouse problem or why it would act the way it does. Do you have gpm installed? |
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| 00:41.30 | donofrio | I would think so....I selected xfce ssh system base type of selections during the install of jessie |
| 00:42.06 | donofrio | doing (apt-get update && apt-get upgrade -y && apt-get dist-upgrade -y && |
| 00:42.06 | donofrio | apt-get autoremove -y && apt-get autoclean -y && sync && sync &&r) noweboot |
| 00:42.09 | somiaj | well gpm is a console mouse that could conflict with an xorg mouse. It isn't default, hence I was going to say remove it if it was installed. |
| 00:42.31 | donofrio | I'll chekc when its done and rebooted |
| 00:42.46 | donofrio | 3.16 image being install rightnow fwiw |
| 00:42.55 | donofrio | initrd I mean |
| 00:43.40 | donofrio | linux-image-3.16+63 installing |
| 00:44.05 | damarusama | so dhcpcd is not install in the base install (installed wihout the desktop packages?) |
| 00:44.24 | somiaj | damarusama: dhclient is the default dhcp client that is installed. |
| 00:44.52 | damarusama | cool thanks |
| 00:44.54 | somiaj | you can install dhcpcd if you prefer to use that client and remove dhclient. dhclient is simplier and works in most cases, but both are there depending on your use case. |
| 00:46.33 | damarusama | so sudo dhclient eth0 ? |
| 00:46.54 | somiaj | damarusama: that is one way to do it. I personally configure things in /etc/network/interfaces and let the ifup script call dhclient. |
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| 00:48.02 | somiaj | damarusama: if you are using networkmanager you should let it make the calls to dhclient. |
| 00:48.36 | damarusama | is networkmanager install in base? |
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| 00:49.16 | somiaj | desktops will pull it in by default, but it is not part of the base system. |
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| 00:49.48 | somiaj | core tools like ip are used and the ifup/ifdown scripts make most the calls to the core tools via config info in the /etc/network/interfaces file (that is what I would call default unless you install a desktop) |
| 00:50.01 | somiaj | then you get either network-manager of wicd depending on the desktop. |
| 00:50.02 | damarusama | ha - that's what's happening - ok. I need to read a bit more, ip link set eth0 up doesn't |
| 00:50.21 | somiaj | yea if you want to manually do all the calls run the dhclient command |
| 00:50.40 | damarusama | dhclient before ip link ? |
| 00:50.44 | somiaj | damarusama: personally I would suggest adding a correct line to /etc/network/interfaces and then running 'ifup eth0' and 'ifdown eth0' to pring it up and down. |
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| 00:50.50 | somiaj | you first have to bring the interface up |
| 00:50.58 | somiaj | then you can run dhclient to get an ip from a dhcp lease. |
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| 00:51.19 | damarusama | yep that's what I though... ok I'll do the interfaces way |
| 00:51.25 | somiaj | damarusama: you would need a single line in /etc/network/interfaces -- "iface eth0 inet dhcp' |
| 00:51.51 | donofrio | much better but no sound car )-: paste.debian.net/165381 |
| 00:51.53 | somiaj | if you added an 'auto eth0' it will be brought up at boot automatically |
| 00:52.07 | somiaj | donofrio: 'cat /proc/asound/cards' |
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| 00:54.14 | donofrio | user@debian:~$ cat /proc/asound/cards--- no soundcards --- |
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| 00:54.56 | somiaj | donofrio: well you can try to identify what module your card needs, and then try to load it manually. Or look in the output of 'dmesg' for any messages about your sound cards failing to load |
| 00:55.26 | donofrio | k tnx you guys are much more quicker than -ppc folks been on that channel for days now nothing....lol |
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| 00:56.31 | damarusama | somiaj: had a loose network wire too :S |
| 00:57.00 | somiaj | damarusama: silly hardwaree getting in the way of your interwebs. |
| 00:57.06 | damarusama | ;) |
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| 00:58.51 | ProfessorKaos64 | short of expanding my VM size, does apt-get allow for storing temporary package cache for large installs of packages? |
| 00:59.50 | ProfessorKaos64 | I saw this "sudo apt-get -o dir::cache::archives="/new/cache/is/here" install packagename" |
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| 01:00.20 | somiaj | ProfessorKaos64: so you can't store all the packages you need in /var/cache/apt/archives? |
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| 01:00.31 | ProfessorKaos64 | almost all the way through root was running low |
| 01:00.40 | ProfessorKaos64 | this is for SteamOS / Debian 7 testing |
| 01:00.46 | ProfessorKaos64 | so the default is 10.2 |
| 01:00.47 | somiaj | ProfessorKaos64: you could always mount a bigger file system there (so it would work), I'm unsure fi that config command would help, seems like it would. check the man page. |
| 01:00.52 | ProfessorKaos64 | and the devel packages were sucking up a lot |
| 01:00.57 | somiaj | ProfessorKaos64: we dont' support steamOS here, also debian 7 is not testing. |
| 01:00.58 | ProfessorKaos64 | ok |
| 01:01.15 | somiaj | ProfessorKaos64: you can clean up the old packages in /var/cache/apt/archive with 'apt-get clean' |
| 01:01.16 | ProfessorKaos64 | whoops, sorry, I meant I am testing in general, I know that is stable |
| 01:01.18 | somiaj | !steamos |
| 01:01.19 | dpkg | SteamOS is an operating system released by Valve as a gaming platform, based on Debian 7 "Wheezy". It is not supported in #debian, support is available in #steamOS on irc.freenode.net or at http://support.steampowered.com/ . See <based on debian>. |
| 01:01.21 | ProfessorKaos64 | excited for Sid btw |
| 01:01.30 | ProfessorKaos64 | ok, i'll remember that, sorry! |
| 01:01.44 | donofrio | http://paste.debian.net/165384/ - eek "radeon 0000:00:10.0: firmware: failed to load radeon/R200_cp.bin (-2)" |
| 01:01.56 | somiaj | ProfessorKaos64: no problem, we don't support not debian oses for both social and technecial reasons (you will be surprised how many little things get changed that makes a fix on debian ont work on derivative). |
| 01:02.21 | somiaj | donofrio: that isn't a big deal if you dn't care about 3d graphics. But install linux-firmware-nonfree to get the radeon firmware for better 3d support witht he free radeon driver. |
| 01:02.52 | donofrio | thanks for that so many spurious packages to remember lol |
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| 01:04.11 | donofrio | somiaj: )-: E: Unable to locate package linux-firmware-nonfree |
| 01:04.29 | somiaj | !non-free |
| 01:04.29 | dpkg | [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 01:04.30 | donofrio | I would so love xbmc running on this |
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| 01:04.47 | somiaj | !tell donofrio about non-free sources |
| 01:05.14 | Lewoco | Since I upgraded to jessie, when I try to mount cifs shares I get the error "cifs_mount failed w/return code = -121". The arguments to 'mount' |
| 01:05.21 | donofrio | I didin't see nothin just then fwiw |
| 01:05.33 | Lewoco | Oops, accidentally hit 'enter'. |
| 01:05.36 | donofrio | oh new tab |
| 01:05.39 | donofrio | (doh) |
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| 01:06.04 | Lewoco | But yeah, does anyone know how I can diagnose the cifs_mount error? |
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| 01:07.11 | somiaj | Lewoco: looking up errors in google can get you soultions. I got lots of hits on that paticular error. You could read though them until you figure out your situation. |
| 01:07.34 | Lewoco | somiaj, I had a quick look and didn't see any for -121. |
| 01:07.34 | donofrio | somiaj: like this? http://paste.debian.net/165385/ |
| 01:08.10 | somiaj | Lewoco: yea just notced that. Could be a related error there, but I don't have an idea that is helpful at the moment besides there is a samba specific help channel at #samba I belive. |
| 01:08.29 | Ooze | Alright guys |
| 01:08.31 | Ooze | I ordered a fan |
| 01:08.32 | somiaj | donofrio: correct, now apt-get update |
| 01:08.42 | donofrio | k |
| 01:10.01 | donofrio | )-: http://paste.debian.net/165386/ |
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| 01:10.51 | somiaj | donofrio: sorry, firmware-linux-nonfree |
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| 01:11.47 | donofrio | it's installin firmware-linux-nonfree_0.43_all.deb (-: |
| 01:12.17 | somiaj | correct, you'll have to reboot to get the radeon driver to take advantage of the firmware (well you could stop x, and reload the radeon kernel module, but reboot is easier for most) |
| 01:12.27 | donofrio | sound card? |
| 01:12.48 | donofrio | then just need gnash that will work |
| 01:12.50 | somiaj | Still don't know your soundcard issue. I would a) Identify what chipset your sound card uses. b) make sure it is turned on in the bios. |
| 01:13.14 | somiaj | donofrio: gnash? Are you trying to be only free? or just don't like normal flash? |
| 01:13.18 | donofrio | bios ists a mac lol |
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| 01:13.27 | donofrio | I'm ppc |
| 01:13.29 | somiaj | yea I don't know what macs equivlant of post/bios is. (: |
| 01:13.40 | somiaj | I'm sure there is something at the hardware level. |
| 01:13.58 | donofrio | :-p it's enabled cause I plug in my firewaire drive and reboot into osx 10.5.6 and it's all fine |
| 01:14.32 | somiaj | I have an old ppc I need to fix (not mine as I don't buy apple products) but its my sisters and I need to put debian on it for her kids. |
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| 01:14.54 | somiaj | donofrio: well try to identify the chipset on the sound card, then you can start debugging there. |
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| 01:15.12 | somiaj | i.e. if you can figure out what module it is supose to use, the output after 'modprobe modulename' can help, or maybe it just isn't autodetecting. |
| 01:15.13 | Canar | somiaj: nowadays it's EFI but I doubt it was EFI in PPC days |
| 01:15.29 | somiaj | Canar: yea I think EFI came in with the switch to i386 |
| 01:15.41 | somiaj | or x86 since most are 64 bit these days |
| 01:15.43 | Canar | yea |
| 01:15.47 | Canar | x86_64 |
| 01:15.49 | Canar | =3 |
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| 01:18.03 | [broken] | i just installed on my laptop but cant right click? |
| 01:20.06 | somiaj | [broken]: that is awfully vauge, what did you install on your desktp, what can't you right click? |
| 01:21.00 | [broken] | oh sorry, its on my laptop.i installed wheezy. newest release. i cant right click on the desktop or web browser |
| 01:22.28 | somiaj | [broken]: in a terminal type 'xev', you will a window open up. Put your mouse in that window give it focuse then right click. Then go back and look at the output (hit ctrl-C to kill the program) and see what events are being registered when you hit the right mouse button. |
| 01:22.51 | somiaj | [broken]: What desktop? And do you have a 2 button, three button mouse with wheel, etc? |
| 01:23.20 | [broken] | xfce, and its a touchpad |
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| 01:24.01 | somiaj | [broken]: ahh, well my suggestion will let you know what events are getting generated (if any) when the mouse button is hit. |
| 01:24.07 | donofrio | var messages any help - lol - http://paste.debian.net/165387/ |
| 01:24.19 | somiaj | There are some things you can do to load a different driver of configure the behaviour of the mouse. |
| 01:24.50 | somiaj | donofrio: did a quick search for sound, and look at line 283 |
| 01:24.58 | [broken] | hmmm |
| 01:25.07 | somiaj | donofrio: lsmod | grep snd-aoa |
| 01:26.47 | somiaj | donofrio: if you don't see the module, 'modprobe snd-aoa' and look at dmesg | tail for messages when you load that module. |
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| 01:29.05 | donofrio | humm no diffrence.... |
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| 01:29.41 | somiaj | donofrio: so after you loaded that snd-aoa module, can you see it is loaded in lsmod? |
| 01:29.51 | donofrio | nothing returned |
| 01:30.01 | donofrio | no change in dmesg |
| 01:30.19 | somiaj | nothying returned when you typed 'modprobe snd-aoa'? |
| 01:30.25 | donofrio | nope |
| 01:30.31 | donofrio | from root id fwiw |
| 01:31.23 | somiaj | no output is good output, look at cat /proc/asound/cards now? |
| 01:31.30 | donofrio | k |
| 01:31.47 | donofrio | --- no soundcards --- |
| 01:32.06 | donofrio | should i need to restart anything? |
| 01:32.10 | donofrio | asound? |
| 01:33.28 | somiaj | donofrio: no the sound card should be added once the module loads |
| 01:33.48 | somiaj | donofrio: so modprobe snd-aoa did nothing? There is no new output at the end of dmesg? Is the mdoule snd-aoa actually loaded? |
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| 01:34.14 | donofrio | yah I son't know if it is or not lsmod seems to point to no? |
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| 01:38.59 | urmumstty | sorry this might be off topic, is there something like (for example python -mSimpleHTTPServer equiv) for SFTP that you can pass a chroot and an ssh key to |
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| 01:42.02 | somiaj | urmumstty: don't follow your question but don't know how SimpleHTTPServer is related to SFTP and chroots. |
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| 01:42.10 | somiaj | urmumstty: do you want your sftp users to be chrooted? |
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| 01:46.24 | urmumstty | somiaj: more like the idea of creating an adhoc sftp server for a few hours rather than going through my usual sshd config route |
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| 01:48.11 | somiaj | urmumstty: so you want a simple sftpserver that is not tied to a running ssh server? |
| 01:48.33 | urmumstty | yeah, i just found this actually https://pypi.python.org/pypi/sftpserver but i'm not wedded to python or anything |
| 01:49.27 | somiaj | yea I don't know of such a thing. |
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| 01:59.08 | iWaldo | virtualbox 4.3.18 in jessie is segfaulting when i start it headless and try to log in via RDP from a win 8.1 host |
| 01:59.29 | iWaldo | the google results seem to say i should go back a version |
| 01:59.34 | iWaldo | but i figured i'd check here first |
| 02:00.04 | somiaj | ,v virtualbox |
| 02:00.05 | judd | Package: virtualbox on i386 -- wheezy: 4.1.18-dfsg-2+deb7u3; squeeze-backports: 4.1.18-dfsg-2+deb7u4~bpo60+1; wheezy-security: 4.1.18-dfsg-2+deb7u4; wheezy-proposed-updates: 4.1.18-dfsg-2+deb7u4; wheezy-backports/contrib: 4.3.18-dfsg-2~bpo70+1; sid/contrib: 4.3.18-dfsg-3; jessie/contrib: 4.3.18-dfsg-3; experimental/contrib: 4.3.26-dfsg-1 |
| 02:00.14 | iWaldo | and also see if anybody can teach me a way to downgrade virtualbox without losing my settings (maybe there's nothing involved beyond keeping the files i've created) |
| 02:00.41 | iWaldo | perhaps i can just uninstall the version i have |
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| 02:01.07 | somiaj | you won't get security support but you can find old packages at snapshot.debian.org |
| 02:01.13 | iWaldo | and then isntall a prior version while using the same .vdi and .vbox files |
| 02:01.20 | somiaj | you may want to look at bugs.debian.org/virtualbox first and see if there is a bug which matches your issue. |
| 02:01.31 | iWaldo | roger, will do |
| 02:01.32 | iWaldo | thanks |
| 02:02.16 | damarusama | haa finally boot in openbox ;) |
| 02:03.27 | iWaldo | shat |
| 02:03.31 | iWaldo | nothing on debian bugs |
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| 02:04.25 | iWaldo | a few forums have mentioned it starting in.... late 2014. some arch wiki users had the same symptom last september |
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| 02:04.48 | iWaldo | bah i'm rambling, sorry |
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| 02:27.15 | tty0_ | Hi there, I am using jessie, and need to set udev rule for one of my devices. All works except the GROUP: instead of assigning configured (plugdev, or any other) it stubbornly assignes group dialout |
| 02:27.25 | tty0_ | is there way to fix this? |
| 02:28.44 | tty0_ | All other props i tried work: user, perms, symlink |
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| 02:37.18 | zcm | hello fellow debianites :) |
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| 02:42.30 | damarusama | using openbox, wondering about a simple taskbar, tint2 seems to need a lot of setup in order to get a battery/sound/network applet |
| 02:43.22 | somiaj | conky is a popular monintor tool |
| 02:43.42 | damarusama | but not for volum |
| 02:43.49 | damarusama | or network manager |
| 02:44.00 | damarusama | well it's more for a taskbar/panel type of thing |
| 02:44.08 | damarusama | wher you can see your network widget |
| 02:44.26 | somiaj | damarusama: if you need a systray, I use stalonetray in fvwm and put it in my pannel. |
| 02:44.49 | damarusama | thanks - checking it out |
| 02:44.51 | somiaj | volume isn't something that appears in a systray usually, that is a pannel applet. I'm unsure what things openbox needs. |
| 02:44.58 | somiaj | I think conky can look at volume |
| 02:45.17 | damarusama | conky? I've only see conky as a backgrounf monitoring... |
| 02:45.44 | somiaj | I think it is configurable to monintor lots of tings, including audio devices, and the likes. Or maybe the screenshots I see are people mixing other stuff with it. |
| 02:47.18 | damarusama | well I only used conky for background non interactive information |
| 02:47.18 | somiaj | looks like it displays volumes and even what mpd is playing, but might not givey ou a control, not sure I odn't use conky |
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| 02:48.05 | damarusama | is there a widget for network manager? |
| 02:48.28 | somiaj | I think it hides in a system tray, not sure I don't use network-manager either. |
| 02:48.43 | somiaj | my systray has a single thing in it, keypassx, and not sure why I even have that in there, should just iconify it. |
| 02:48.44 | damarusama | heheh |
| 02:49.00 | damarusama | yeah I am configuring a simple system for a clisnt |
| 02:49.03 | damarusama | client |
| 02:49.31 | cra1g321 | wishes good luck to that client |
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| 02:50.14 | damarusama | hehehe ;) |
| 02:50.32 | somiaj | sometimes it is best to just hid everything from the client. As long as you provided everything they need it won't matter and they can't mess things up. |
| 02:50.33 | damarusama | I have 5 or 6 client that I work for on linux |
| 02:50.41 | damarusama | I used crunchbang before |
| 02:50.47 | somiaj | the issue is when the client comes and says, 'I want to install this game I found on the internet, how do I do it' |
| 02:51.00 | damarusama | but want to try the naked debian way... I use arch and i3 formyself |
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| 02:51.13 | somiaj | but I am in totall agreement, most people should not have admin rights on their own boxes, it only leads to distruction. |
| 02:51.13 | damarusama | no I tell people before |
| 02:51.30 | cra1g321 | you use arch and i3 yet you dont know how to setup a tin2 panel ? |
| 02:51.32 | damarusama | I tell them, now it's like your car, when you want it serviced you call me |
| 02:51.40 | cra1g321 | tint2 * |
| 02:51.44 | damarusama | cra1g321: I really never need a tint2 panel |
| 02:51.55 | damarusama | I think panel and taskbar are useless |
| 02:52.10 | damarusama | like icons and desktop ;) |
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| 02:52.39 | cra1g321 | just load up a crunchbang liveCD and look what they use |
| 02:52.57 | damarusama | yeah that's what I am about to do |
| 02:53.08 | damarusama | I have a crunchbang around |
| 02:53.19 | cra1g321 | iirc correctly for batter applet it was xfce's, for sound it might of been pnmixer and for network icon it was network-manager-applet |
| 02:53.29 | somiaj | damarusama: I dont' like icons, but I just use window shade and have a small taskbar that only has the iconified tasks in it. |
| 02:53.30 | damarusama | the tint2 is quite sweet, didn't realize it had so much work on it |
| 02:53.46 | damarusama | yeah I have the moon calendar on my tmux ;) |
| 02:54.03 | cra1g321 | then there's a config file somewhere that loads them all, cant remember where |
| 02:54.12 | damarusama | yep looking into it |
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| 02:54.38 | cra1g321 | its probabaly .openbox folder in home folder |
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| 03:00.02 | phix | openbox? |
| 03:00.27 | somiaj | one of many light weight windowmanagers out there |
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| 03:00.44 | somiaj | popular among people who want to 'build their own desktop'. So they take a lightwieght wm and then add the features they want. |
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| 03:00.54 | somiaj | such as taskbars, monintors, system trays, etc. |
| 03:01.39 | thiagoss | Installed debian into a new laptop, upgraded to testing and my boot partition isn't booting anymore. It seems to be marked as an lvm2 partition but it was a plain ext2 before when it was working. Something in the upgrade messed up? Any idea how to recover it? |
| 03:02.22 | somiaj | thiagoss: explain doesn't work. I don't see why a partition outside of your lvm would all the suddon be inside it doing an upgrade. |
| 03:02.32 | somiaj | is it the partition that is the problem, or do you just need to fixgrub? |
| 03:03.10 | thiagoss | It seems to attempt to boot but I get a 'job waiting for dev-by-disk-id' with some id that is my boot partition block id. And this timeout and goes into the repair console |
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| 03:03.50 | thiagoss | blkid reports my boot partition (sdb1) as being of type LVM2_member |
| 03:05.07 | somiaj | thiagoss: well it isn't encrypted is it? I think grub can see inside lvms, but not positive here as I don't use them. |
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| 03:06.06 | thiagoss | No, it shouldn't be. /boot is not encrypted, the other partition (sdb2) is with LVM on top for / and swap, the /boot is unencrypted |
| 03:06.30 | thiagoss | lsblk reports the hierarchy correctly, sdb1 is outside of the crypt setup in sdb2 |
| 03:06.55 | somiaj | that is probabaly the way it was created as I think /boot can be inside an lvm just not encrypted. |
| 03:07.03 | somiaj | so is the issue is it is not booting? |
| 03:07.11 | thiagoss | yes, not booting. |
| 03:07.17 | somiaj | !fixmbr |
| 03:07.20 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
| 03:07.39 | thiagoss | "mount -t ext2 /dev/sdb1 /boot" makes it mount, without the -t it complains about LVM2_member not being recognized |
| 03:08.25 | somiaj | thiagoss: maybe you need to clean up the lvm. again I'm out of my experience here as I don't use LVM for my systems. |
| 03:08.36 | thiagoss | If I mount manually and exit the repair console it boots |
| 03:09.14 | somiaj | thiagoss: have you tried to paste the exact error you get when you try to mount it without -t ext2 into google, maybe there is a way to fix the LVM2_memeber info |
| 03:09.36 | thiagoss | will check that, was looking for the job timeout line |
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| 03:09.46 | thiagoss | Thanks for the help, at least it boots with some manual intervention |
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| 04:22.07 | damarusama | when using gdm - it has a battery indicator and a shutdown/reboot panel on top - can I use that same in openbox? |
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| 04:24.19 | swordsmanz | damarusama if you port it to openbox o-o |
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| 04:26.07 | damarusama | ._. |
| 04:26.25 | damarusama | almost done, with gdm autologin openbox xfce-panel and tint2 |
| 04:26.41 | damarusama | it's pruttty |
| 04:26.59 | shay_shay | ew |
| 04:27.19 | shay_shay | autologin with /etc/inittab |
| 04:28.05 | shay_shay | and startx with .profile |
| 04:29.06 | shay_shay | if [[ -z "$DISPLAY" ]] && [[ $(tty) = /dev/tty1 ]]; then startx; fi |
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| 04:30.27 | damarusama | shay_shay: yeah I though that would be simper |
| 04:30.30 | damarusama | simpler |
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| 04:34.02 | shay_shay | youre missing the point of a window manager :P its not to dress it up to be DE-like |
| 04:34.07 | Debian00b | Hi |
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| 04:34.41 | shay_shay | hi Debian00b |
| 04:34.57 | Debian00b | I cant write my pendrive with my user |
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| 04:36.28 | damarusama | shay_shay: DE-like ? |
| 04:36.53 | shay_shay | DE == desktop environment |
| 04:37.07 | swift110-phone | Hey |
| 04:37.26 | damarusama | well I kind want to have it crunchbang like |
| 04:37.51 | damarusama | I guess I should have got with lxde |
| 04:38.05 | damarusama | or xfce to simplify my life ;) |
| 04:38.24 | shay_shay | openbox is totally awesome |
| 04:38.36 | shay_shay | but I think it should be left naked |
| 04:38.43 | shay_shay | mostly |
| 04:38.54 | Debian00b | http://paste.debian.net/165407/ |
| 04:39.20 | Kermit__ | ok? |
| 04:39.44 | damarusama | yeah I love naked |
| 04:39.46 | Debian00b | I can modify nothing with my common user |
| 04:39.53 | damarusama | I run i3 pretty much vanilla |
| 04:39.57 | shay_shay | damarusama: who doesnt |
| 04:40.16 | shay_shay | i3 is legit too |
| 04:40.22 | themill | Debian00b: which release of debian are you using? |
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| 04:41.17 | damarusama | ok... just need a battery widget now :S |
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| 04:41.24 | Debian00b | http://paste.debian.net/165408/ |
| 04:44.20 | shay_shay | damarusama: conky will do that |
| 04:44.21 | shay_shay | so will i3bar if youre talking about i3 |
| 04:44.35 | Debian00b | http://uploadpie.com/P5uVu >> I can't modify/write my files (but I can modify/write perfectly as root) |
| 04:44.54 | themill | Debian00b: which release of debian are you using? |
| 04:45.38 | Debian00b | themill: Debian Unstable |
| 04:46.06 | shay_shay | O.o |
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| 04:46.29 | themill | so the least appropriate to someone who says they are a n00b then... |
| 04:46.35 | themill | Debian00b: Are you booting with systemd and do you log in using gdm3? |
| 04:46.49 | Debian00b | themill: yep |
| 04:47.04 | damarusama | shay_shay: yeah - don't want to go the conky way - I got conly on some machine... but battery should be right up there... not sure why I don't see it there |
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| 04:49.02 | themill | Debian00b: how do you mount the usb stick? |
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| 04:49.58 | Debian00b | themill: http://uploadpie.com/v6UtD |
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| 04:50.47 | themill | Debian00b: what filesystem is on the device? |
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| 04:51.39 | Debian00b | themill: /dev/sdd1 * 8064 15240575 15232512 7,3G c W95 FAT32 (LBA) |
| 04:51.57 | Debian00b | themill: I can write it perfectly in other computers |
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| 04:53.15 | damarusama | that was silly, battery=1 |
| 04:53.54 | themill | Debian00b: no idea then. You might do better in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
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| 04:54.44 | Debian00b | themill: Thx bro! |
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| 04:59.10 | superrorc | hi there! trying connect to pptp win network manager , and failed. here is log http://paste.debian.net/plain/165415 |
| 04:59.15 | superrorc | any ideas pls? |
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| 05:17.01 | mipo | hi |
| 05:17.35 | mipo | I have a solaris server , I need to get full backup for running that in another vm. is it possible to do it with dd command? |
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| 05:18.04 | superrorc | mipo: what hypervisor u use? |
| 05:19.11 | superrorc | mb better export\import vm? |
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| 05:20.30 | mipo | superrorc: yes |
| 05:21.16 | superrorc | what virtualization u use? |
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| 06:12.42 | zacts | oh nice jessie is frozen |
| 06:12.50 | zacts | I can't wait to try it out |
| 06:13.49 | themill | 5 months ago |
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| 06:14.06 | zacts | I haven't used debian in at least 2 - 3 years |
| 06:14.17 | zacts | but, I'm thinking of running it on my beaglebone black, and my powerpc |
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| 06:52.30 | superrorc | Does DPKG have some cache? its shows packageswhich not installedDoes DPKG have some cache? its shows packages which not installed! |
| 06:52.38 | superrorc | http://paste.debian.net/plain/165422 |
| 06:53.47 | towo^work | rc does not mean it's installed |
| 06:53.59 | towo^work | it means it was removed, but not purged |
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| 06:54.50 | towo^work | so dpkg -l | grep ^rc will probably show more such packages |
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| 06:56.02 | superrorc | thanks! |
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| 07:17.29 | onorua_ | Hi, I've just installed debian testing on my laptop with systemd, it does not wake up after sleep, when I close the lid |
| 07:17.35 | onorua_ | what can I check to make it work? |
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| 07:27.36 | colo-work | onorua_, that's more probably a BIOS/UEFI and/or kernel problem |
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| 07:38.40 | onorua_ | colo-work, what should I check in BIOS/kernel to get it working? |
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| 07:38.57 | onorua_ | I have Thinkpad X1 3gen |
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| 07:40.21 | colo-work | onorua_, you probably just need a newer kernel; a colleague has a similar recent thinkpad and got all tthings⢠to just work⢠using Linux 4.0-rc6 |
| 07:40.44 | onorua_ | I have 4.0-rc6 as well ;) |
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| 07:55.20 | bijan_ | Hi I did a sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade and now I have two packages that are held back (gcc-4.9base, libstdc++6) and I get this stupid perl warning: " can't set the locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct". How to fix this mess? |
| 07:55.42 | bijan_ | I don't even use perl |
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| 07:58.34 | bchamberlain | hey bijan_ I'm sure perl is being used on your system by some packages. anyway - I googled the error for you, the first hit https://www.thomas-krenn.com/en/wiki/Perl_warning_Setting_locale_failed_in_Debian should fix the 'stupid' error for you. |
| 08:00.37 | bijan_ | hey bchamberlain thx for your help. I also found this page. what makes me a bit nervous is that this error did not occur since the dist-upgrade (already beeing on 7.8) I thought mabye it has to do with the kept back packages... |
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| 08:02.18 | bijan_ | unfortunately locale-get en_US.UTF-8 is not a known command |
| 08:02.37 | bijan_ | localedef -i en_US -f UTF-8 en_US.UTF-8 throws: cannot read character map directory `/usr/share/i18n/charmaps': No such file or directory |
| 08:02.38 | bijan_ | o_O |
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| 08:03.10 | bijan_ | bchamberlain: so both proposed solutions in your link won't work |
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| 08:05.33 | Guest47155 | Installed Jessie and system freezes while booting @ ata6: sata max udma/133 ABAR M512@... |
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| 08:07.49 | fireba11 | Guest47155: that sounds unhealthy ^^ |
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| 08:08.28 | Guest47155 | fireball: Should i consider that as an HDD error.. |
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| 08:53.39 | AxonetBE | in my arp table I have an ip address with mac address 00:00:00:00:00:00, what can it means? I'm not able to ping this ip and the device ( server ) is not coming up again |
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| 09:00.52 | petn-randall | AxonetBE: http://superuser.com/questions/821802/what-could-these-ip-addresses-with-mac-000000000000-be |
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| 09:01.24 | petn-randall | AxonetBE: If you use 'arp -n' it should list it as incomplete. |
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| 09:02.48 | AxonetBE | petn-randall: ok so it is problem on the device then |
| 09:02.58 | AxonetBE | my device didn't come up anymore after router reboot |
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| 09:05.14 | naftilos76 | Hi, does anyone know of a daemon app that saves system stats e.g every second including cpu load, net activity, hd activity etc in a database which i can then have access to ? |
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| 09:07.33 | moeyebus | Hello. :) |
| 09:07.47 | moeyebus | Is this the right place to ask questions about packaging debs? |
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| 09:10.29 | babilen | moeyebus: I'd recommend #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
| 09:11.35 | moeyebus | babilen: thanks. |
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| 09:22.27 | MrDetonia | Is there a way to remove Iceweasel and Icedove from Debian 8 without also removing the Cinnamon desktop environment? |
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| 09:23.46 | fireba11 | i'd expect there to be one |
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| 09:24.34 | petn-randall | naftilos76: atop, sysstat, any monitoring framework live icinga, nagios, shinken, munin, ... |
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| 09:24.40 | petn-randall | s/live/like/ |
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| 09:25.10 | naftilos76 | thanks, i am currently focusing on dstat |
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| 09:42.41 | pipl | Hi, I only have debian wheezy in sources.list and dpkg status file has a newer version than stable version, which is preventing from installing it. paste.debian.net/165445. I'm thinking of regenerating dpkg status file. |
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| 10:03.40 | ChrisH | ,v libtirpc1 |
| 10:03.41 | judd | Package: libtirpc1 on i386 -- squeeze: 0.2.0-2; wheezy: 0.2.2-5; jessie: 0.2.5-1; sid: 0.2.5-1 |
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| 10:25.39 | p3rror | I have a server with 4 core |
| 10:25.56 | p3rror | and tomcat cupsd consume 100% cpu |
| 10:26.29 | p3rror | why the admin web interface hang |
| 10:26.44 | p3rror | and became inaccessible after 100% cpu |
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| 10:37.20 | Amun_Ra | nothing in logs? |
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| 10:51.15 | jtornero_ | hello. need some help regarding how to partition an old system in which I want to keep some partitions. Having trouble with UEFI, that's all |
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| 10:55.26 | soundtoxin | anyone know how I can install libjpeg-turbo |
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| 10:56.38 | soundtoxin | http://p.pomf.se/6876 |
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| 11:03.27 | brigo_ | soundtoxin: are you trying to install the package from outside debian? |
| 11:04.28 | Amun_Ra | ,v libjpeg-turbo |
| 11:04.29 | judd | No package named 'libjpeg-turbo' was found in i386. |
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| 11:05.07 | soundtoxin | brigo_: trying to get mapcrafter installed and the instruction should be for debian: http://docs.mapcrafter.org/builds/stable/installation.html#debian-packages |
| 11:05.14 | soundtoxin | just trying to apt-get install them |
| 11:05.23 | soundtoxin | looked with synaptic also, tons of similar-sounding packages but none of the ones I need |
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| 11:05.44 | brigo_ | soundtoxin: whezzy or jessie? |
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| 11:06.00 | soundtoxin | jessie |
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| 11:07.01 | itry | I have a webserver that listens on https but has no certificate. Is it safe to access it from an interenet cafe? I know the IP is correct. |
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| 11:07.51 | fireba11 | itry: if it hase no certificate at all it doesn't speak HTTPS. it might have a self-singed certificate |
| 11:08.25 | itry | fireba11: maybe. its not really a server but a cheap account on a webhost. i can aceess it via https. |
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| 11:08.50 | brigo_ | soundtoxin: try libjpeg-turbo-progs |
| 11:09.00 | fireba11 | or they might have a certificate that just does not match your domain. |
| 11:09.06 | Darcidride | nothing is unbrockable, but it's more safer than http/80 ... |
| 11:09.31 | itry | fireba11: yes, that might be true. |
| 11:09.35 | fireba11 | depends on your definition of "safe" ... it will be encrypted but you can't verify that you're talking to the right server properly most likely |
| 11:09.45 | soundtoxin | brigo_: still get the same error, didn't work |
| 11:09.47 | littlebit | I'm writting a shell script and I wanted to know how can I include $1 in a command that I want to execute in the script |
| 11:09.54 | fireba11 | everything is better than no encryption at all though |
| 11:10.17 | itry | fireba11: looking that the cert, yes it seems to be a generic cert of that hoster. |
| 11:10.18 | littlebit | what I did was: `cat $1|grep "foobar"` |
| 11:10.20 | crlndrssn | do you have to be experienced to run the testing version of debian? |
| 11:10.36 | soundtoxin | no' |
| 11:10.40 | blackflow | fireba11: true, but a tiny exception to that is that browsers, eg. Firefox, can remember the cert, so you can save it locally once (by accepting the "exception") and as far as that browser is concerned, that cert is authorized and valid. if it changes (eg. mitm) the browser will complain. |
| 11:10.40 | soundtoxin | it's what Ubuntu is based on |
| 11:11.21 | blackflow | then again, it's pointless to have self-signed certs in the age of $9/year certs |
| 11:12.03 | SynrG | soundtoxin: incorrect. and irrelevant |
| 11:12.38 | itry | fireba11: i guess its good enough to protect me from the cofe shop owner spying on my passwords. |
| 11:12.40 | SynrG | crlndrssn: you do need to be careful. but this close to the release, the risk is diminished. |
| 11:12.59 | fireba11 | blackflow: i know .. there are allso add-ons for cert-pinning for every certificate :-D |
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| 11:13.01 | soundtoxin | SynrG: what part of what I said is incorrect OR irrelevant |
| 11:13.06 | fireba11 | itry: should do, yes _D |
| 11:13.07 | blackflow | fireba11: true |
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| 11:13.59 | crlndrssn | ok, btw when is the release of jessie? |
| 11:14.02 | SynrG | soundtoxin: a) it is based on unstable, not testing b) it is not relevant because ubuntu adds *so* many changes affecting usability that "it's what Ubuntu is based on" has no relation whatsoever to whether testing is usable by noobs or not |
| 11:14.36 | AxonetBE | I have a beagleboard black with debian, there is a network manager installed wicd, do I need it? |
| 11:14.55 | SynrG | soundtoxin: also "it is based on unstable" <- is more accurate to say "it is forked from unstable at a specific point in time and then maintained separately from then on" |
| 11:15.00 | SynrG | it doesn't track unstable (or testing) |
| 11:15.04 | soundtoxin | SynrG: Ubuntu is considered by most to be easy to use, I wouldn't say it's irrelevant by any means. I'd also like you to cite a source on it being based on unstable, I've never heard that in my life. |
| 11:15.28 | SynrG | the fact that it is forked at that instant means it bears even less relation to what a testing user goes through on a day to day basis |
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| 11:15.35 | SynrG | because testing is a moving target. Ubuntu is not. |
| 11:15.47 | SynrG | soundtoxin: look it up yourself. can't be arsed. |
| 11:16.11 | soundtoxin | SynrG: I use testing on all my machines and feel that you're being misleading by telling him he has to be careful |
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| 11:16.19 | SynrG | and it is also 100% irrelevant whether it's forked from testing or forked from unstable. |
| 11:16.23 | SynrG | for the reasons mentioned above. |
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| 11:16.40 | soundtoxin | I feel you're abusing the word irrelevant in this case |
| 11:16.45 | SynrG | soundtoxin: i use unstable or testing on 100% of my machines. and yes, he *does* need to be careful. |
| 11:16.57 | soundtoxin | how so? |
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| 11:17.06 | blackflow | soundtoxin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_%28operating_system%29#History_and_development_process |
| 11:17.08 | soundtoxin | I don't treat it different from stable and I don't run into issues |
| 11:17.14 | SynrG | "Ubuntu is based on testing" is incorrect and irrelevant. i've already explained why. you've not made any sensible counterarguments. |
| 11:17.19 | SynrG | *plonk* |
| 11:17.24 | SynrG | !testing |
| 11:17.25 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <jessie>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <wheezy->jessie> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging and be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
| 11:19.06 | SynrG | crlndrssn: re "when is the release of jessie?" |
| 11:19.07 | soundtoxin | blackflow: thanks |
| 11:19.08 | SynrG | !wwjr |
| 11:19.08 | dpkg | Debian 8 "Jessie" will release on 2015-04-25; ask me about <wheezy->jessie>. There's plenty of bugs still to squash so ask me about <how-can-i-help>, <jessie freeze>, <jessie pool 1>. See <https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2015/03/msg00016.html> |
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| 11:19.48 | soundtoxin | I even run it on servers |
| 11:19.49 | SynrG | crlndrssn: as i said, this close to the release the risk is diminished. if you want to upgrade now, you should run into very few problems. but "diminished" is not zero. |
| 11:19.55 | crlndrssn | !hcih |
| 11:20.09 | SynrG | soundtoxin: lucky you. you're one of those users who can handle it. it is not good general advice. |
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| 11:20.37 | fireba11 | also depends on how much maintenance time you can afford :-D |
| 11:20.40 | soundtoxin | Have you actually had problems? I just don't understand what risks you're discussing. I'm no expert or even close. |
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| 11:20.45 | SynrG | there's no security support. there are transitions happening throughout the release cycle. it exposes users to possibly day-wrecking bugs. |
| 11:20.52 | soundtoxin | O |
| 11:20.58 | soundtoxin | I haven't seen any day-wrecking bugs. |
| 11:21.09 | SynrG | it happens. the fact that it doesn't happen to *you* personally doesn't mean it doesn't happen. |
| 11:21.10 | blackflow | yet |
| 11:21.12 | blackflow | :) |
| 11:21.15 | soundtoxin | I won't deny risks of running unstable but I feel testing is pretty safe |
| 11:21.29 | crlndrssn | ok, looking forward to the release |
| 11:21.33 | SynrG | I hope you don't have to learn the hard way |
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| 11:22.05 | soundtoxin | I use testing for more up to date packages and to use steam from the repos |
| 11:22.14 | soundtoxin | on stable I ran into nothing but issues from everything being too old |
| 11:22.16 | SynrG | soundtoxin: for how long? i've been in this since 1995 |
| 11:22.25 | soundtoxin | 2-3 years I'd say |
| 11:22.31 | SynrG | i also handle an *enormous* amount of user help requests |
| 11:22.49 | soundtoxin | You can flaunt your seniority, but have you ran into these monstrous bugs in recent years? maybe testing is safer than it used to be |
| 11:23.16 | SynrG | typical scenario: "apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade" <- normally a good, recommended thing to do. but if you're not careful (i.e. *read every removal*) could remove your entire desktop |
| 11:23.17 | blackflow | soundtoxin: it is for servers because there are less apps and less complex apps involved. |
| 11:23.24 | Guest47155 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:23.54 | SynrG | soundtoxin: it has nothing to do with "getting better". it is a natural and normal part of the release cycle to go through transitions. this has not fundamentally changed in twenty years. |
| 11:24.17 | SynrG | and during a transition, the kind of breakage i just described can and *does* happen. |
| 11:24.50 | SynrG | as i said. maybe you're one of the lucky/alert ones. if you use apt-listchanges and apt-listbugs, you could avoid the worst of potential problems. |
| 11:25.15 | SynrG | scenario #2, there is a "grave" or "serious" bug in a package. the user (who is not careful) upgrades (without using apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges) ... |
| 11:25.19 | SynrG | and gets the bad, buggy package. |
| 11:25.22 | SynrG | now their day is ruined. |
| 11:25.38 | soundtoxin | I've never used listchanges or listbugs in my entire life |
| 11:25.39 | fireba11 | -> back to last backup :-D |
| 11:25.41 | SynrG | testing does not *prevent* such things from happening. |
| 11:26.04 | SynrG | soundtoxin: good for you. anecdotes do not prove the general case. |
| 11:26.11 | soundtoxin | of course |
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| 11:26.22 | soundtoxin | however my experience makes me doubt your experience |
| 11:26.49 | soundtoxin | you also said you run both testing and unstable so part of me wonders if you're thinking of unstable bugs as you talk about testing with me |
| 11:26.55 | SynrG | soundtoxin: you lack perspective. |
| 11:27.03 | SynrG | no. i help testing users daily. |
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| 11:27.12 | SynrG | sometimes helping them out of horrendous f-ups |
| 11:27.25 | SynrG | unbootable system. that sort of thing; |
| 11:27.47 | soundtoxin | I see |
| 11:28.00 | SynrG | did you not read the earlier factoids? these are there for a reason. |
| 11:28.10 | SynrG | this is the *collective* wisdom of this community |
| 11:28.11 | SynrG | not my personal bias |
| 11:28.28 | fireba11 | SynrG: had smaller cases like apt-get stuck in paket loops myself with a friend, am only using stable for my production environments :-D |
| 11:28.32 | soundtoxin | I've read everything you've said, I'm not calling you a liar, I'm just saying my experiences don't match yours. I don't think you should get upset or anything. |
| 11:28.46 | soundtoxin | consider my better educated |
| 11:28.48 | soundtoxin | *me |
| 11:28.49 | SynrG | i'm a little defensive of the support culture of this channel |
| 11:28.58 | SynrG | i want to make sure we don't misadvise noobs |
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| 11:29.10 | SynrG | that's my only reason for defending my pov so vigorously |
| 11:29.19 | soundtoxin | I don't disagree with that, I just thought that inciting unnecessary paranoia seemed wrong |
| 11:29.33 | SynrG | no. i incited *appropriate* parnoia |
| 11:29.36 | SynrG | paranoia* |
| 11:29.37 | fireba11 | :-D |
| 11:29.39 | soundtoxin | sure |
| 11:29.44 | soundtoxin | but at the start I didn't realize that |
| 11:29.50 | SynrG | <SynrG> crlndrssn: you do need to be careful. but this close to the release, the risk is diminished. |
| 11:29.51 | soundtoxin | because as I said, my experiences differ |
| 11:29.53 | soundtoxin | you've seen more battles than me |
| 11:29.55 | SynrG | ^^ this is what i actually said |
| 11:29.59 | soundtoxin | yes, I saw that |
| 11:30.02 | SynrG | it was very circumspect |
| 11:30.07 | soundtoxin | jessie is about to release so it's safer than it'd normally be |
| 11:30.14 | soundtoxin | I get that |
| 11:30.23 | SynrG | k. moving along, then? i think we're done |
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| 11:30.38 | soundtoxin | well I was here for my own issue when you side-tracked me, but we can stop discussing this if that's what you mean |
| 11:30.44 | SynrG | sorry if i rubbed you the wrong way. and i might've been nicer |
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| 11:31.02 | fireba11 | oh right .. will soon be time to upgrade my servers again ... *tries to husffle calendar around to get room for that* |
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| 11:31.35 | SynrG | soundtoxin: just don't present testing as a 'no risk' thing and i'll be happy. it requires extra vigilance to run. the safe option is always stable. |
| 11:31.43 | SynrG | !sid faq |
| 11:31.43 | dpkg | http://deb.li/sidfaq ; it doesn't hurt to read the FAQ, even if you are using <testing>. See also http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/08/msg00041.html and <sid upgrade test>. |
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| 11:31.55 | SynrG | read that. it is helpful for all users of testing or unstable. |
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| 11:32.04 | soundtoxin | I need to find a way to install one of the following, as a package I want depends on it/them: libjpeg-turbo8, libjpeg-turbo, libjpeg8 |
| 11:32.06 | soundtoxin | SynrG: thanks, will do |
| 11:32.11 | SynrG | soundtoxin: implement its best practices. i'm amazed you use neither apt-listbugs nor apt-listchanges. |
| 11:32.16 | SynrG | soundtoxin: you've been very lucky, indeed. |
| 11:32.26 | soundtoxin | SynrG: are you perhaps paraphrasing? I'm not finding apt-listbugs to be a command |
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| 11:32.54 | SynrG | soundtoxin: they are both plugins |
| 11:33.00 | soundtoxin | ahh |
| 11:33.04 | SynrG | soundtoxin: they must be installed separately. they run on every upgrade |
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| 11:33.27 | SynrG | soundtoxin: see also #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net where we *welcome* users of testing/unstable and support them |
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| 11:33.42 | SynrG | (note, not this network) |
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| 11:33.56 | soundtoxin | SynrG: neat, thanks for the recommendation |
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| 11:34.07 | soundtoxin | so is support as a Testing user harder to get here, then? |
| 11:34.21 | crlndrssn | but if i wish to learn more about debian and linux in general, i think tesiting would be nice? |
| 11:34.38 | SynrG | soundtoxin: i have observed people here are generally willing to handle testing, but because it is the special focus of #debian-next, it is more appropriate to go there. |
| 11:34.50 | SynrG | crlndrssn: yes. |
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| 11:35.03 | SynrG | crlndrssn: i can highly recommend tracking testing as a good learning experience. |
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| 11:35.23 | SynrG | crlndrssn: just don't use it for production servers. not unless you're *absolutely* confident in your expertise |
| 11:35.33 | crlndrssn | that was my thought |
| 11:35.33 | SynrG | crlndrssn: as that is generally considered risky behaviour |
| 11:35.54 | SynrG | a better solution for that scenario is stable + stable backports |
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| 11:36.17 | crlndrssn | ofc, i would defenetly go for stable on any server.. for stability :) |
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| 11:36.23 | SynrG | yep |
| 11:36.31 | SynrG | and security support. extremely important. |
| 11:36.52 | crlndrssn | ok |
| 11:36.54 | SynrG | you can engage in risky behaviour for years and never get burnt ... |
| 11:37.10 | SynrG | but all it takes is one incident to totally ruin your day (or week ... or longer ...) |
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| 11:38.57 | s4ndm4n | crlndrssn: I was like you when I installed Testing. Though I am using it right now, but I don't plan to switch to next Testing. |
| 11:39.03 | crlndrssn | I always have dualboot setup, so i wouldn't be really toast |
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| 11:39.45 | SynrG | yes. immediately after the stable release is *very* rocky times for testing ... |
| 11:39.53 | SynrG | if you're still on it then, you need to take extra care |
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| 11:40.58 | s4ndm4n | SynrG: my sources point to Jessie not testing so I am patiently waiting for Jessie to be released. |
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| 11:43.47 | Munt_ | Hey folks Iâm trying to set up a local webserver on a virtual box. it seems to be working but my wordpress install is asking me to provide ftp details in order to installa plugin ⦠I presume it has something to do with permissions or the fact that im not logged in as root. what is the solution to getting wordpress working ânormallyâ? |
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| 11:49.54 | fireba11 | Munt: there are several ways to install wordpress |
| 11:49.58 | filenox | Munt: I don't know a thing about wordpress, but maybe a FTP server is required? |
| 11:50.26 | Munt | Iâm guessing my user account doesnt have hte correct permissions to the www-data group |
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| 11:50.53 | Munt | the ftp credentials shouldnt be required |
| 11:51.43 | filenox | Munt: have you tried asking in #wordpress ? |
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| 11:51.47 | fireba11 | Munt: the easy install pulls the wordpressfiles and accesses it's own webspace via FTP to set it up i think |
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| 11:51.57 | fireba11 | https://codex.wordpress.org/Installing_WordPress there are several options descriubed here |
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| 11:52.15 | Munt | I guess Iâm asking how to get safe proper permissions on my debain web server install |
| 11:52.22 | blackflow | Munt: you should not give your WP any rights to install plugins, you must do it from the command line as root. |
| 11:53.22 | fireba11 | Munt: another option is just to get the tar.gz and uppack it in your web folder |
| 11:54.05 | Munt | Most web hosting providers installs of wordpress allow it certain permissions (for photo upload and plugin installation etc) |
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| 11:55.42 | Munt | Iâm trying to set up a local testing server on VM |
| 11:55.58 | Munt | so ideally it should work as a ânormalâ web server |
| 11:56.21 | blackflow | Munt: those providers don't care if you get owned, they will suspend your account and delete your infected installation. You should not allow WP to modify itself. |
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| 11:57.12 | Munt | thanks for the information folks |
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| 11:58.27 | stivo | hay, anyone got the same problems with jessie RC2? -> https://bz.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=56984 |
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| 12:00.09 | blackflow | stivo: what problems? switching from prefork to worker mpm? |
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| 12:00.40 | fireba11 | Munt: wp security tip: put a .htaccess file on the admin-folder for added security. really easy and helps a lot :-) |
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| 12:00.56 | fireba11 | (.htaccess with user/pass of course) |
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| 12:01.15 | Munt | Thanks fireba11 Iâll do that |
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| 12:01.23 | blackflow | fireba11: even better is to install a bruteforce protection plugin |
| 12:01.33 | Munt | Iâm kinda bummed that I cant use the plugin installer or image upload tools on my test server though |
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| 12:01.43 | blackflow | because with .htaccess you're just adding another layer to bruteforce first |
| 12:01.55 | Munt | iâve been trying to add myself as a user to the www-data group but im poking aobut with things i dont understand |
| 12:02.30 | blackflow | Munt: on your test server, the user running WP must be able to modify WP files. You can't achieve that with DSO, you need to run php with a separate, low-priv user capable of that |
| 12:02.31 | fireba11 | blackflow: also it prevents you from security bugs in the admin pages :-D |
| 12:02.55 | blackflow | fireba11: for a while until tht first user/pass layer is broken through |
| 12:03.11 | blackflow | fireba11: unless you couple that with something like fail2ban |
| 12:03.22 | fireba11 | wonders if there is a fail2ban for htaccess auth |
| 12:03.25 | blackflow | sure |
| 12:03.29 | Munt | whats DSO forgive my ignorance |
| 12:03.33 | blackflow | you just monitor errors log for 403 |
| 12:03.36 | fireba11 | never thought about it untill now |
| 12:03.56 | blackflow | Munt: PHP run with mod_php, being part of the Apache process, and running with Apache's user and privs |
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| 12:04.39 | Munt | how can i give apache a user account that will allow it to do its business ? |
| 12:05.10 | blackflow | Munt: don't do that, run PHP via fastcgi, preferably with php5-fpm and give it a low-priv user |
| 12:06.11 | Munt | thanks blackflow ill google that now |
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| 12:08.15 | stivo | blackflow: and how do i switch? without compiling? |
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| 12:09.17 | hassoon | why do i get that message when trying to install win7 inside virtualbox from an iso file? :o |
| 12:09.20 | hassoon | i don't get it |
| 12:09.26 | hassoon | other OS's boot and install fine |
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| 12:09.31 | hassoon | http://i.imgur.com/6rgNDw7.png |
| 12:10.00 | blackflow | stivo: I think there's a /etc/defaults/... file for choosing the mpm? |
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| 12:11.35 | stivo | there is a file but nothing *mpm in there |
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| 12:11.46 | stivo | only htcache |
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| 12:13.35 | blackflow | stivo: now that you mention it, methink apache is packaged with different package for different mpm |
| 12:14.00 | blackflow | stivo: yup, that's it on Wheezy, I guess it's the same on Jessie |
| 12:14.15 | blackflow | stivo: apt-cache search apache2-mpm |
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| 12:14.36 | stivo | installed exactly in this moment but apache keeps prefork as mpm |
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| 12:14.59 | blackflow | stivo: isn't that what you need? the issue in that bug report was using worker with php dso, that's a no-no |
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| 12:15.27 | stivo | wait |
| 12:15.32 | stivo | im stucked |
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| 12:17.37 | soundtoxin | anyone else having issues with YouTube videos pausing and unpausing instead of typing spaces when you're trying to write in the comments? I'm about to lose my mind. I tried opening the same video in a new tab so I could comment and it still occurs. |
| 12:17.39 | stivo | well, apache is running with prefork now but keeps segfaulting, now i need to switch to worker to see if it happens there too (lets ignore the link i posted) |
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| 12:20.48 | Munt | followed these instructions for FastCGI http://askubuntu.com/questions/378734/how-to-configure-apache-to-run-php-as-fastcgi-on-ubuntu-12-04-via-terminal now im getting 500 internal server error. can you folks recommend a noob friendly way to get a usable web server ? |
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| 12:22.29 | tuxx- | Munt: give money to a hosting provider? ;-) |
| 12:22.45 | Munt | I do. |
| 12:22.51 | tuxx- | now i feel bad for making jokes and not helping. |
| 12:23.09 | Munt | Kick a man while heâs down whydoncha :D |
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| 12:24.03 | Munt | im currently looking at xammp for linux |
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| 12:24.33 | Munt | but i think i;ve totally f****ed my debian install trying to messaround with a fastCGI installtion |
| 12:25.26 | ChrisH | Munt: did you add these ubuntu repos? |
| 12:25.35 | Munt | yes i did |
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| 12:25.42 | Munt | the multiverse ones |
| 12:26.01 | Munt | everything seems to have installed |
| 12:26.17 | ChrisH | Munt: Well then the chance is very high you really broke it. |
| 12:26.22 | Munt | hehehe |
| 12:26.27 | Munt | sounds about right |
| 12:27.32 | aphorise | In /etc/network/interfaces can I have two routers defined? - I have a current default on 1st router but would like to know I can add another. |
| 12:27.35 | ChrisH | the a2enmod commands seem OK to me. |
| 12:27.58 | ChrisH | aphorise: A second default gateway? |
| 12:28.16 | Munt | I see a lot of ubuntu tutorials for wordpress servers iâll give them a bash this time round. maybe im too much of a digleberry for debian |
| 12:30.08 | kavanagh | As a rule don't miss Ubuntu and Debian packages unless they are in the Debian repos |
| 12:30.16 | mjt | mix* |
| 12:30.17 | kavanagh | Mix |
| 12:30.18 | aphorise | ChrisH I have a "gateway" defined which is a differnt address to "default..." being the router1 - I have a router2 I'd like to addd with a differnt metric. |
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| 12:31.34 | Munt | kavanagh: thanks for info |
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| 12:32.05 | kavanagh | Munt :suggest using howtoforge |
| 12:32.07 | ChrisH | aphorise: up route add -net 192.168.1.0/24 gw 172.1x.1z.2 dev tun0 is what I ised |
| 12:32.36 | Munt | cool iâll check that out now thanks man |
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| 12:33.23 | stivo | hm okay, still getting segfaults but no coredumps are generated |
| 12:33.24 | Munt | I think Iâll be using lamp on ubuntu this time round. |
| 12:33.29 | kavanagh | Actually you might find nginx or lightin |
| 12:33.51 | kavanagh | Lightppd easy |
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| 12:34.41 | Munt | i have very little experience setting up servers, so i can only do what im told in a tutorial for now. i need apache and php5 just so iâm a little bit more comfortable with my surroundings |
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| 12:34.55 | ChrisH | stivo: ulimit -c unlimited and keep in mind the process dumps to its current working directory which might be different from what you expect. |
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| 12:35.37 | petn-randall | Munt: Why are you using fcgi? Unless you have a high-traffic site, mod_php should suffice and it's basically maintenance-free. |
| 12:36.01 | Munt | petn-randall: I was having difficulty with php being able to write to files and folders |
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| 12:36.29 | kavanagh | Munt once you want to do anything interesting ie not surf then try a non noob distro. |
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| 12:36.49 | Munt | i am currently installing ubuntu server |
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| 12:36.50 | kavanagh | Debian is ideal |
| 12:37.05 | Munt | i failed hard there on debian |
| 12:37.06 | stivo | why should it dump in the current working directory if i set CoreDumpDirectory in apache2.conf file? |
| 12:37.16 | stivo | @ ChrisH |
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| 12:37.29 | Munt | Given that I am genuinely a noob perhaps hte nood distro is ok :p |
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| 12:37.56 | petn-randall | Munt: fcgi won't fix that problem for you. |
| 12:38.08 | kavanagh | Expect to make lots of mistakes;you don't learn anything by getting it right. |
| 12:38.11 | hassoon | ubuntu is very similar to debian |
| 12:38.15 | Munt | I plan to try installing lamp this time round |
| 12:38.34 | mjt | hope it will be led lamp? :) |
| 12:38.38 | petn-randall | hassoon: Yea..no. |
| 12:38.53 | Munt | lol. the web server package |
| 12:39.08 | hassoon | petn-randall: yeah, it is, though it might be nothing but debian sid(jessie ?) after all |
| 12:39.10 | petn-randall | Like one of those Pixar lamps that jump around so cute? |
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| 12:39.46 | Munt | I have a feeling that using LED Lamps to send the binary data of my web project to my retina might be easier at this stage Xd |
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| 12:41.00 | hikenboot | hi I want to get as much software as possible for ppc architecture on old G5 tower. Can anyone point me to a apt sources list for this arch. I cant find anything except the usual arches |
| 12:41.33 | ChrisH | stivo: 1. no @ please, not twitter here. 2. overlooked the apache part. but then CoreDumpDirectory is the current working directory. Is apache user allowed to write there? |
| 12:41.38 | hikenboot | in particular this is a gaming pc for kids trying to get chrome and minecraft working |
| 12:41.40 | petn-randall | hassoon: Different init system, different support/release cycles, different sections (main/contrib/non-free vs main/restricted/universe/multiverse), different security support (only for main in Ubuntu, not for universe), different target groups, different focus. |
| 12:42.15 | petn-randall | ChrisH: 1. I was assuming he meant a perl array ;) |
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| 12:44.07 | stivo | ChrisH: CoreDumpDirectory is /tmp , besides that the logfile doesnt mention a "potential coredump" wich is strange imo |
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| 12:49.21 | Guest47155 | I have a small client application which frequently writes data to a file. Suddenly we notice DRDY errors in the HDD and we see some data loss till we solve that error and we wanted to avoid the data loss by exiting the application. Is there anyway that i can send DRDY signal directly to my client application so that i can close the application .. |
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| 12:54.13 | ChrisH | Guest47155: this is something your monitoring needs to cope with.... and the second disk in the mirror, if the data is important |
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| 12:55.32 | dbrgn | hi. did the wifi configuration change in jessie (with systemd)? or is it still working through wpa_supplicant.conf? |
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| 12:55.58 | dbrgn | also, does systemd auto-restart wifi when the connection is lost? |
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| 12:56.52 | Guest47155 | ChrisH: Yes mirroring is possible when i have multiple HDD is connected. But, my device has only one HDD. That is the reason why i am atleast trying to close my application |
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| 12:57.13 | themill | dbrgn: wpa_supplicant's operation is unchanged |
| 12:58.41 | dbrgn | themill: so are you not using systemd-networkd by default? |
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| 12:58.57 | dbrgn | (I don't have any experience with networkd, just saw that Systemd provides it :)) |
| 13:00.03 | themill | dbrgn: I don't think it's enabled in jessie at all |
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| 13:03.35 | LordDeath | is there a list of removed packages for jessie? |
| 13:04.25 | LordDeath | I am looking for an overview of all removed packages that are in wheezy/sid but not in jessie anymore |
| 13:05.20 | themill | That's not a well-posed question; https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#obsolete is as good as it gets |
| 13:05.21 | ChrisH | Guest47155: your application should get IO Errors in case the disk is failing or failed. Did it handle it properly? BTW, Desktop (non-server Disks) Disks try much harder to get data on the disk or from the disk. |
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| 13:22.24 | stivo | http://pastie.org/private/7rjzuf5atnwmd42vtlnkbw still on jessie RC2, does this mean that the php package is broken? |
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| 13:25.49 | crised_ | hello, can't boot |
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| 13:26.00 | crised_ | DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 18 |
| 13:26.00 | crised_ | DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 20 |
| 13:26.05 | crised_ | I just see those messages |
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| 13:27.37 | fireba11 | crised_: well that only says it's trying to get an IP adress via DHCP |
| 13:27.52 | crised_ | fireba11: but I can't start writing commands |
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| 13:28.21 | ChrisH | crised_: then fix the nextwork connection and/or your DHCP server |
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| 13:28.27 | fireba11 | crised_: there might be some services set up that require network that are waiting fot it to work. timout might be a bit :-D |
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| 13:28.59 | crised_ | ChrisH: how can I abort the network connection attempt? |
| 13:29.43 | Guest47155 | ChrisH: In our application we do not monitor any event in particular. although, During file write we are recieving success for write calls. however, we are noticing DRDY in terminal window. Confused which event we should monitor exactly to capture the error. |
| 13:30.31 | ChrisH | crised_: I would not waste time in aborting that but invest time to check cabeling and/or fixing/checking the dhcp server. |
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| 13:30.43 | crised_ | ChrisH: ok done that |
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| 13:31.23 | ChrisH | crised_: if all is fine, the messages will change. then a reboot makes sense. |
| 13:31.45 | crised_ | ChrisH: I have 2 networks, one was without DHCP enabled, changed the cable |
| 13:31.48 | crised_ | now works |
| 13:31.53 | crised_ | rebooting didn't fix the issue |
| 13:32.03 | ChrisH | Guest47155: check system log, /var/log/messages|syslog |
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| 13:34.08 | Guest47155 | ChrisH: Yes we tried that technique earlier. If the failure occurs in primary HDD. this does not work. That is the reason why we are looking for signal level capturing |
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| 13:37.29 | ChrisH | Guest47155: you might want to replace the HW and get a box with at least 2 disks. Unless I need to assume the data writen is not important. |
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| 13:41.22 | Guest47155 | ChrisH: Yes we are working on making the system as raid. But, we are looking out for a way to throw DRDY kernel signal to application. So that application can gracfully shutdown. |
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| 13:44.31 | petn-randall | Guest47155: Don't invest time to fix such an error. If the underlying disk is throwing errors, you've got a lot bigger problems than an application not exiting gracefully. |
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| 13:44.52 | petn-randall | Guest47155: * Don't invest time to fix such a symptom. |
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| 13:47.55 | Tofa | i have few users connected in my computer lab they use internet, how do i control internet bandwidth for each user? |
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| 13:48.25 | Guest47155 | petn-randall: the only reason we are trying to fix this scenario is to save some penalty. |
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| 13:49.46 | fireba11 | Tofa: this is related to debian how? does the router run debian? |
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| 13:50.00 | ChrisH | Guest47155: If you signed a contract with penalty and running a single disk server... this is your own fault. |
| 13:50.37 | fireba11 | ChrisH: single disc and server are mutually excluseive, are they not? :-D |
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| 13:52.31 | Tofa | fireba11, how router can run debian? |
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| 13:53.23 | Tofa | i want to control bandwidth for each user, i just asked if i need to buy a router or there is software that can be used? |
| 13:54.27 | [broken] | question: when loading scripts in epic my text gets all blurry. is it because ive got compositor on and my video card cant handle it? |
| 13:54.31 | Tofa | so, there may be a better channel for such question but who knows |
| 13:55.14 | Tofa | how to get suggestion on hardware, is there any website foir that pupose? |
| 13:55.16 | OSVG | Tofa: #networking |
| 13:55.21 | Tofa | oh, oka |
| 13:55.25 | Brigo_ | Tofa: you need to control the internet access, and only the router can do it in you network. |
| 13:55.34 | Tofa | yes |
| 13:55.35 | petemc | Tofa: there is wondershaper, but i havent used it in a few years |
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| 13:56.11 | Tofa | need to control bandwidth and control specific files like mp4, mpeg, just want to block some stuff |
| 13:56.24 | Tofa | oh wondershaper |
| 13:56.45 | Brigo_ | Tofa: no wondershaper, you need a proxy like squid. |
| 13:57.23 | Tofa | oh, really, proxy can do that kind of things? |
| 13:57.34 | Tofa | squid |
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| 13:58.15 | Brigo_ | Tofa: yes, it can, but you cannot install it in your router. |
| 13:58.43 | Tofa | Brigo, where i will install the proxy |
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| 13:59.24 | Tofa | oh, sorry |
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| 13:59.33 | Tofa | of course on debian |
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| 13:59.47 | Tofa | i am still thinking how it will be done |
| 14:00.32 | OSVG | Tofa: You'd need a specific box set up on your network that would capture traffic from the lab. You may want to talk to your network guys for help there. |
| 14:01.06 | petn-randall | Guest47155: If you get I/O errors on your swap (and that's something you can't control), you've got corrupted kernel memory, and your system is completely hosed. Why patch around on the symptom? |
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| 14:01.11 | Tofa | hmm, i am the network guy :) |
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| 14:02.25 | Tofa | but i am using bandwidth control first time |
| 14:02.28 | ChrisH | petn-randall: where did you see IO Error on his swap? |
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| 14:02.59 | petn-randall | ChrisH: We were talking about I/O erros on the underlying disk. Swap was only an example. |
| 14:03.11 | petn-randall | *errors |
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| 14:03.56 | ChrisH | petn-randall: OK. broken Disk needs to be replaced. Topic finished. |
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| 14:04.13 | OSVG | Tofa: You'd want to put the squid proxy on the firewall box or immediately behind it, but after that, this is a topic for another channel. |
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| 14:04.51 | Tofa | hmm, sounds interesting |
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| 14:12.09 | snooops | hi, dmesg shows me: https://gist.github.com/snooops/9c9597b7cccb8f810564 |
| 14:12.24 | snooops | uname -a 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.65-1+deb7u2 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 14:12.50 | snooops | im a bit scared with those messages |
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| 14:16.44 | ChrisH | snooops: cann you add some lines before the NMI backtrace for cpu 23 |
| 14:17.19 | snooops | Sure but there are the same messages but with different cpu's |
| 14:18.02 | snooops | so if you want the lines before the first, just look at the last lines ;) |
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| 14:19.36 | ChrisH | snooops: and the very first of them has the same lines? compre eg Bug#775865: Kernel Bug: rcu_bh detected stall on CPUxxx (t=0 jiffies) |
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| 14:21.06 | snooops | ChrisH, cant see the very first line, dmesg | less just starts inside of those messages |
| 14:21.26 | ChrisH | snooops: check the files in /var/log |
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| 14:22.05 | snooops | ah |
| 14:22.05 | snooops | INFO: rcu_bh detected stall on CPU 4 (t=0 jiffies) |
| 14:22.07 | snooops | that? |
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| 14:22.33 | iWaldo | virtualbox 4.3.18 in jessie keeps segfaulting, are there any other versions that anybody recommends? |
| 14:22.52 | ChrisH | snooops: if you found that one... the bug might be the correct one |
| 14:23.13 | snooops | meh - ok thanks ChrisH |
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| 14:37.49 | nachtgeist | why is it when i do a "debootstrap --arch i386 jessie /tmp/foo $mirror" on a 64bit host that within the chroot an "apt-cache search xen-system" only yields "xen-system-amd64" and not xen-system-i386?? |
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| 14:39.50 | fraff | nachtgeist: maybe because your running kernel is a 64bit |
| 14:40.00 | nachtgeist | yes, it is |
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| 14:41.52 | nachtgeist | however dpkg --print-architecture within the chroot says i386. it would be complete news to me that dpkg depends on the running kernel... now does it? oO |
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| 14:47.38 | nachtgeist | I just exported said chroot via nfs and accessed it from a 32bit jessie. same story with apt-cache search |
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| 14:50.11 | SAKUJ0 | hey looking for a way to check my hardware for errors. i know of mprime, linpack and systester. is there something better suited for debian? |
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| 14:50.42 | SAKUJ0 | hardware as in CPU with error checking under varying degrees of stress |
| 14:51.31 | nachtgeist | LOL I take it back, xen-system-i386 doesn't even exist any more in jessie m( |
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| 14:52.13 | fraff | nachtgeist: have you apt-get update in chroot ? |
| 14:52.36 | fraff | nachtgeist: ho ! |
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| 14:53.25 | iWaldo | if i want to use the latest version of virtualbox from oracle on jessie, which package should i install? oracle only has download links up through wheezy |
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| 14:54.45 | nachtgeist | iWaldo: try that then. you might have to enable wheezy-repos though, in case of lib-depends no longer in jessie. also the dkms-module might be broken against jessie's 3.16 kernel |
| 14:55.17 | iWaldo | hrm, thanks nachtgeist |
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| 14:56.00 | iWaldo | i'm trying to run a headless server, and virtualbox segfaults when i try to RDP in |
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| 14:56.35 | iWaldo | found a thread on the oracle forums that discussed a similar issue. stated that a fix is in 4.22 |
| 14:56.40 | nachtgeist | which rdp instance? the server's or virtualbox' console rdp? |
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| 14:58.27 | iWaldo | virtualbox crashes entirely |
| 14:58.32 | iWaldo | on the server |
| 14:58.41 | iWaldo | when i use windows standard RDP client to connect |
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| 15:00.39 | blackflow | iWaldo: VirtualBox is a POS... if it's all the same to you, take a look at native Linux KVM, it's not more complicated than VirtualBox |
| 15:01.08 | iWaldo | backflow: thanks for the suggestion! i'll look into it |
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| 15:06.03 | gynter | Hello, I'm trying to compile Audacity 2.1.0 on jessie, where I could find wx-config ? |
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| 15:09.59 | danwomansan | so is anything provided to install any version of debian from any livecd? I want debian 8 but all I have are arch and debian 7.0/7.5 discs, along with a debian 8 disc for the wrong architecture |
| 15:10.17 | abrotman | dpkg: tell gynter about apt-file |
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| 15:10.28 | gynter | Nevermind, I need libwxgtk3.0-dev for that. |
| 15:10.47 | gynter | abrotman: not in apt file, it's symlink provided by post-install script |
| 15:10.54 | abrotman | boo |
| 15:11.03 | gynter | yeah, quite hard to find :P |
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| 15:11.28 | nse | does the USERGROUPS_ENAB variable in /etc/login.defs is set to "yes" by default in Deabin? |
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| 15:13.49 | somiaj | danwomansan: look up debootstrap, you can manually install debian from a nix install with that. Or y ou can install debian 7.0 and dist-upgrade to jessie. |
| 15:14.11 | danwomansan | been trying that dist-upgrade business |
| 15:14.18 | danwomansan | dist-upgrade doesn't like permissions ever working |
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| 15:14.55 | danwomansan | I've actually been trying for a while and the pseudo-users that display managers use can't access video |
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| 15:16.56 | A|an | I need to convert a tar.gz to a deb file. Can someone point me to a good tutorial? |
| 15:17.12 | somiaj | danwomansan: what, dist-upgrade works fine. Are you trying to dist-upgrade the live image, or did you install the live-image and are trying to dist-upgrade the result? |
| 15:17.28 | dondelelcaro | !tell A|an -about nm guide |
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| 15:18.01 | dondelelcaro | A|an: though in general, I'd personally start with the existing packaging if it already exists. |
| 15:18.14 | danwomansan | I installed the system, got into it, dist-upgrade |
| 15:19.18 | A|an | It doesn't. It's SCID vs PC, a chess app, and I'd rather install it as a deb file. |
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| 15:19.47 | abrotman | There is checkinstall and stow |
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| 15:20.54 | A|an | http://scidvspc.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 15:22.28 | SAKUJ0 | i suppose mprime is not in debian because of licensing issues? -.-0 |
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| 15:34.19 | damarusama | I've installed gdm3 but don't really need it anymore, what apt-get remove I can use to remove all the package that came with gdm3 ? |
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| 15:35.29 | clearleapmatt | exit |
| 15:35.31 | clearleapmatt | sorry! |
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| 15:39.21 | fraff | damarusama: apt-get autoremove should do the trick |
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| 15:39.45 | bluework | Hi here. |
| 15:39.46 | bluework | I'm experimenting problems with pure-ftpd. I've created a virtual user so its uid and group are 1009, but when I create a file with it, the file belongs to nobody:nogroup... How can I debug that ? |
| 15:40.09 | damarusama | fraff: thanks |
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| 15:41.47 | damarusama | like apt-get autoremove gdm3 ? |
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| 15:42.22 | fraff | damarusama: no, apt-get remove gdm3 and then, apt-get autoremove |
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| 15:43.00 | woffs | damarusama, fraff: apt-get --auto-remove --purge remove gdm3 |
| 15:43.00 | Brigo_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:43.22 | fraff | woffs: ha ok, thanks |
| 15:43.26 | woffs | or aptitude |
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| 15:47.04 | shay_shay | damarusama: you're trying my idea aren't you |
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| 15:47.22 | shay_shay | It works, I tested it on slackware and debian |
| 15:47.36 | damarusama | trying to login to X withough dm, http://www.debianadmin.com/how-to-auto-login-and-startx-without-a-display-manager-in-debian.html |
| 15:47.51 | damarusama | I don't find the line in my /etc/inittab |
| 15:47.59 | damarusama | 1:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty1 |
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| 15:48.20 | damarusama | would that be still the way to autologin? |
| 15:48.26 | shay_shay | damarusama: are you on wheezy? |
| 15:49.00 | shay_shay | damarusama: yes that will work but I used agetty or mingetty they both have --autologin options |
| 15:49.24 | shay_shay | The lines in your inittab which spawn all the VT and show the login prompt |
| 15:49.43 | shay_shay | That's what you need to edit, you should edit the first tty |
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| 15:51.57 | shay_shay | I'm not saying don't use the method on that page. I'm saying there are multiple ways to skin this cat and I usually try to do it with things that are already in distros base system if possible |
| 15:52.26 | damarusama | kool thanks |
| 15:52.33 | shay_shay | damarusama: paste your inittab on gist and then I will tell you which line |
| 15:52.41 | damarusama | I got it ;) |
| 15:52.45 | shay_shay | Ok |
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| 15:53.58 | damarusama | good - fell better withouth gdm3 |
| 15:54.03 | shay_shay | damarusama: if you want to make full use of openbox learn how to make pipe menus in bash |
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| 15:55.26 | shay_shay | And middle click does what tint2 is supposed to do |
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| 15:55.54 | shay_shay | Shows all open applications even ones that are minimized |
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| 16:00.44 | shay_shay | https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/docker |
| 16:01.04 | shay_shay | This allows you to interact with applications which rely on a system tray |
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| 16:01.56 | hassoon | gentlemen anyone who can help in a kvm win7-vm-installation issue ? |
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| 16:07.56 | damarusama | shay_shay: for the bash profile |
| 16:07.57 | damarusama | if [ -z "$DISPLAY" ] && [ $(tty) = /dev/tty1 ]; then |
| 16:08.01 | damarusama | this doesn't work |
| 16:08.11 | damarusama | for detecting which tty I am on |
| 16:08.40 | blackflow | damarusama: $(tty) or ${tty} ? |
| 16:08.48 | damarusama | () |
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| 16:09.24 | shay_shay | Backflow its command substitution |
| 16:09.44 | blackflow | took me a while to figure out what the snippet was supposed to to. |
| 16:09.46 | blackflow | *do |
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| 16:10.11 | damarusama | I get a -z command not found :S |
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| 16:10.42 | shay_shay | Use [[ |
| 16:10.53 | shay_shay | -z is a builtin |
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| 16:12.00 | damarusama | shay_shay: that did the trick |
| 16:12.08 | shay_shay | I guess double brackets won't fix it. Can you paste the whole .profile to gist? |
| 16:12.12 | shay_shay | Oh |
| 16:12.16 | shay_shay | Lawl. |
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| 16:16.04 | iWaldo | right, so i've taken backflow's advice and attempted to set up virtual machine using virt-install to build a KVM |
| 16:16.08 | iWaldo | getting one error |
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| 16:16.22 | iWaldo | failed to retrieve file descriptor for interface: Transport endpoint is not connected |
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| 16:29.10 | jhutchins | iWaldo: Is that happening during the install? |
| 16:29.31 | iWaldo | jhutchins: yep |
| 16:29.34 | crised_ | How can I know if I can make an access point in debian with a specific network card? |
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| 16:29.41 | crised_ | Intel Wireless-N 7260Â |
| 16:29.47 | crised_ | Is that card capable of that? |
| 16:30.02 | jhutchins | iWaldo: That's a filesystem error - maybe a problem with the drivers for the vitual disk? |
| 16:30.08 | jhutchins | !kvm |
| 16:30.08 | dpkg | Kernel-based Virtual Machine (KVM) is a full <virtualization> solution for Linux hosts on x86 hardware with x86 guests. Packaged as qemu-kvm since Debian 6.0 "Squeeze". See http://wiki.debian.org/KVM for installation instructions, also ask me about <xve>. http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/FAQ http://www.linux-kvm.org/ #kvm on irc.freenode.net. |
| 16:30.47 | hikenboot | hi can anyone point me to a list of apt sources for ppc besides the standard ones. apparently several dependencies of chrome have been worked on over the past year |
| 16:30.53 | sydney_untangle | crised_: Ive done it before, but don't remember hwo to. sorry. |
| 16:31.02 | sydney_untangle | !openvz |
| 16:31.02 | dpkg | OpenVZ provides OS-level <virtualization>, creating isolated and secure virtual private servers on a single physical server. Deprecated in Debian (bug #574529) and not supported for the Debian 7 "Wheezy" release; ask me about <lxc>, <kvm>, <xen> for alternatives. http://wiki.debian.org/OpenVz http://www.openvz.org/ #openvz on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 16:32.34 | abrotman | crised_: you'll have to check the docs at the linux wireless site to see if it supports master mode |
| 16:33.31 | crised_ | abrotman: https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/iwlwifi#Firmware |
| 16:33.56 | crised_ | sydney_untangle: AP mode (experimental; only on some devices/firmware versions) |
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| 16:34.31 | abrotman | crised_: yes, you definitely need firmware to start |
| 16:34.50 | crised_ | abrotman: ? |
| 16:35.02 | crised_ | Do I need to change the firmware of the device? |
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| 16:37.27 | abrotman | crised_: There isn't enough information on that page |
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| 16:38.49 | hikenboot | is there a ppc channel for debian? |
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| 16:40.12 | ChrisH | crised_: checked https://wiki.debian.org/hostap ? |
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| 16:43.01 | crised_ | ChrisH: nope, but How do I know the real hw name of intel 7260 |
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| 16:43.49 | s7r | what would be a command line to scan for errors / checkdisk all my partitions ? |
| 16:43.50 | ChrisH | lspci or lsusb |
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| 16:44.44 | NoImNotNineVolt | fsck |
| 16:44.55 | abrotman | which you can't do on a mounted volume |
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| 17:04.08 | boodie | Hi (debian stable), I have a USB HD currently mounted (two partitions, actually). I would like to make this USB device accessible R/W to another user ... how could I do this? |
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| 17:10.00 | nkuttler | boodie: which filesystem? |
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| 17:12.35 | boodie | /dev/sdc2 on /media/4712EEED014689E8 type fuseblk (rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,user_id=0,group_id=0,default_permissions,allow_other,blksize=4096) |
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| 17:13.40 | boodie | fuseblk? |
| 17:14.34 | boodie | Is it NT? I have another partition which is actually ext3 |
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| 17:16.06 | nkuttler | um |
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| 17:16.47 | nkuttler | dmesg | tail might provide more info |
| 17:16.58 | nkuttler | a quick google suggests ntfs though |
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| 17:17.05 | nkuttler | !tell boodie about user accessible ntfs |
| 17:17.15 | nkuttler | no idea how/if that translates into fuse |
| 17:17.53 | nkuttler | and if you have an automount you probably want to check it's docs |
| 17:18.28 | boodie | ok: if instead I wanted to make an ext3 partition of that usb disk? |
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| 17:18.51 | boodie | available to another user? |
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| 17:21.05 | nkuttler | boodie: just standard file permissions/ownership |
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| 17:21.45 | nkuttler | assuming you only use it on the same box. if you use it on multiple boxes the ids change. no idea really how to do that differently |
| 17:22.12 | buu | Ok seriously, is there some trick I'm missing to guess the package names of libraries in debian? |
| 17:22.13 | nkuttler | i just use vfat for the stuff that needs to be compatible. more compatible than nt anway |
| 17:22.36 | nkuttler | buu: what are you trying to do |
| 17:22.38 | buu | I am so very tired of having to aptcache search every single library name just to find out what random numbers are on the end of the package name |
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| 17:23.07 | nkuttler | buu: do you use bash? install bash-completion |
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| 17:23.21 | buu | ! |
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| 17:23.25 | nkuttler | apt-get install libfoo<tab><tab> |
| 17:23.37 | buu | omg |
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| 17:23.48 | buu | You are my hero. |
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| 17:23.56 | GPenguin | haha |
| 17:24.03 | nkuttler | that was easy :) |
| 17:24.21 | buu | Why doesn't the dev package have a number in it though? |
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| 17:24.26 | buu | libao4; libao-dev |
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| 17:25.16 | GPenguin | the number of new packages would raise a lot |
| 17:26.06 | somiaj | buu: depends on the actual libary. I know there is some policy on this, but there is some variation depending on if multiple versions of the libary need to be installable on a single debian version and what not. |
| 17:26.40 | buu | It would be awfully nice if 'install libao' installed libao0 or whatever by default. |
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| 17:27.29 | somiaj | buu: would require creating a lot of meta packages. Here is the policy if you care https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-sharedlibs.html |
| 17:28.45 | buu | Well, that's long and detailed. |
| 17:28.50 | boodie | nkuttler: so, to make the disk partition (currently: /dev/sdc1) available RW to an user "chmod username +rw /dev/sdc1" ? |
| 17:29.19 | GPenguin | buu: how is buubot btw? |
| 17:29.41 | somiaj | boodie: correct, but if you use this on different systems it stores the uid as a number and if the uid's don't agree you may have issues. |
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| 17:30.03 | buu | GPenguin: Oh heh, currently running as perlbot |
| 17:30.18 | GPenguin | ouch :D |
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| 17:31.44 | boodie | somiaj: What do you mean by "on different systems"? |
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| 17:34.49 | somiaj | boodie: you take that drive from one computer to another since it is usb. |
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| 17:35.20 | boodie | somiaj: OK, understood: my plan is to store the home directory of every user on this usb device, as my desktop is on it's last legs. I discovered that I can access the partition rw but the other users (wife and daughters) can't. |
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| 17:36.17 | boodie | somiaj: I need to make the usb disk visible rw to all users, and save there a copy of their home directory. |
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| 17:36.55 | somiaj | if it is an ext? partition you have to control permissions just like standard *nix file systems. Just change the ownership of the directories you want others to access. If you want multiple people to be able to read/write to the same directory you'll need to set up the permissions to do so, using groups is the prefered way to do this. |
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| 17:37.19 | somiaj | But if all they need to do is have access to their own directory. Create said directory, give them ownership |
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| 17:39.01 | boodie | somiaj: Now, the day I changed the computer, and I reconstructed my box, can't I just (as root) change the ownership to the new users on the new pc? |
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| 17:40.23 | somiaj | boodie: correct, or you could back up your users uid's and gid's and make it so it will be the same on the new install. Either way you just have to manually control permissions on any ext? filesystem. |
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| 17:45.27 | jelly | info jebse |
| 17:45.40 | jelly | oops! |
| 17:45.43 | jebse | :O |
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| 17:46.00 | boodie | somiaj: Sorry, I tried "chmod username +rw /dev/sdc1" (username obviously different), but it replied "invalid mode username" ... I must be missing something |
| 17:46.35 | jelly | jebse: your nickname has a vaguely amusing meaning in my language, so I'm stalking you a bit |
| 17:46.54 | jelly | don't take it personally. |
| 17:47.14 | jebse | i wont :D |
| 17:47.24 | jebse | what does it mean? |
| 17:47.31 | jebse | jelly where are you from? |
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| 17:47.52 | somiaj | boodie: you don't change the ownership of the actual device, you change the ownership on the actualy file system, or the location ou mount it at. |
| 17:47.54 | jelly | loosely, "fucyou" |
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| 17:48.01 | jebse | ok :D |
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| 17:48.10 | tuxcrafter | hi all, i been using linux every day for more then 8 years and one thing has always been bothering me, and i am wondering if i am doing it wrong: |
| 17:48.42 | tuxcrafter | so with acls why does the umask of the user creating the files get priority over the mask of the acl of the servers |
| 17:48.45 | tuxcrafter | http://paste.debian.net/165529/ |
| 17:49.04 | jebse | jelly, where are you from? |
| 17:49.26 | tuxcrafter | i have been unable to force the file permissions to be rw for both owner and group |
| 17:49.27 | jelly | jebse: undisclosed. :-] |
| 17:49.45 | jebse | 8) |
| 17:49.55 | blackflow | jelly: you must be nearby from me :) |
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| 17:50.42 | s7r | want to scan my OS partition without umounying. i have ssh access |
| 17:50.58 | somiaj | s7r: scan for what? |
| 17:51.04 | somiaj | s7r: you mean fsck or something else? |
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| 17:53.10 | s7r | somiaj for errors or something. my power failed with rasperri pi plugged in |
| 17:53.33 | tuxcrafter | please highlight my nickname when replying |
| 17:54.03 | somiaj | s7r: If you want to fsck the system I think you should have it unmounted. It should have done this when it rebooted. And if you are using raspbian it is not supported here. |
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| 17:54.26 | somiaj | I think you can remount it read-only the fsck it, check google on the details for that and the issues. |
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| 17:55.24 | boodie | So, I'm still stuck ... sorry: I would like to have me AND the the other three users capable of writing on that usb disk ... how do I do that? |
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| 17:55.51 | somiaj | boodie: we told you, use chmod and chown on the actual filesystem (the mount point) |
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| 18:46.27 | Amok_Huginnsson | Is it possible to dpkg-buildpackage for "3.0 (native)" format in such way that resulting source tar ball version exactly matches debian/changelog version but built packages (deb's) version is expanded by additional token (like build number)? |
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| 19:09.41 | ibouvousaime | hello guys I'm trying to use a nvidia card with blender but blender doesnt seem to see it I get his log when I'm trying to see if the gpu is active http://ur1.ca/k4jsr my driver info is http://ur1.ca/k4jto I already have the nvidia seting manager installed and have libcuda1-346 installed |
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| 19:10.17 | ibouvousaime | more info http://ur1.ca/k4jxn |
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| 19:41.40 | SAKUJ0 | hey there. memtest found http://i.imgur.com/9lMqUYl.jpg . i can reproduce the errors and they only occurr in test #8 [Moving inversions, 32 bit pattern] |
| 19:41.52 | SAKUJ0 | does anyone know specifics about the situation? :> |
| 19:42.04 | SAKUJ0 | kind of a complex field to deal with specific memory issues |
| 19:42.15 | SAKUJ0 | and this seems like a niche issue i could not seem to google |
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| 19:42.26 | SAKUJ0 | usually people have mem errors that are much quicker to detect |
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| 19:53.28 | martin-_-_ | omg |
| 19:53.37 | martin-_-_ | this aptitude upgrade takes forever... |
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| 20:04.02 | jhutchins | martin-_-_: What's your connection speed, and what download rate are you getting? |
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| 20:05.33 | jhutchins | SAKUJ0: Have you re-seated the modules? |
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| 20:07.22 | gry | https://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst i understand 'i386' is usual thing 32 bit; where is the usual thing 64 bit ? |
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| 20:07.43 | jhutchins | It is possible to scan a mounted partition for filesystem errors. It has to be a "read only" scan, can't correct anything, but it can tell you if you need to repair. |
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| 20:08.38 | sailcat | gry, 'AMD64' |
| 20:08.50 | gry | but it's not an amd cpu, it's an intel |
| 20:09.02 | sailcat | gry, it covers both |
| 20:09.11 | gry | ok thanks |
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| 20:14.29 | stacks88 | when i am in nano (the editor), i get these green bars at times http://i.imgur.com/ybYEplc.png. I think they might be spaces or something? they seem to be easily deleted if i do CTRL+K etc but still, has anyone experienced this? Is this something i need to change with nano? how can i get rid of these green bars? Or am i stuck with them? i dont know if it is my ssh client (securecrt), or if it |
| 20:14.29 | stacks88 | is somethign with nano |
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| 20:16.38 | jhutchins | stacks88: I don't use nano, but it sounds like a representation of some kind of non-printing character. Possibly a line break, and/or possibly a DOS style linbreak. |
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| 20:16.44 | stacks88 | hm ok |
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| 20:18.30 | stacks88 | looks like its trailing white space issue with nanorc |
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| 20:20.56 | gry | someone here know life cycle of a debian package? it's from NEW to unstable to testing to stable, right? |
| 20:21.07 | centrx | generally |
| 20:21.18 | gry | generally yes? :) |
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| 20:22.30 | centrx | generally yes, yes |
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| 20:22.39 | gry | thanks |
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| 20:23.29 | martin-_-_ | http://i.imgur.com/17XdQCw.png jhutchins |
| 20:23.46 | martin-_-_ | its still resolving! |
| 20:24.15 | stacks88 | Turning off trailing white space did it. Been putting up with that for years, just never doing anything about it until now. phew. |
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| 20:24.23 | martin-_-_ | 64k open... |
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| 20:29.55 | Moonsilence | Hi! During setup I was asked for choices of software categories to be installed. I accidentally pressed enter while trying to choose a category, but that made the setup proceed. How do I make these choices later? |
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| 20:30.35 | Moonsilence | Thanks |
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| 20:39.27 | SAKUJ0 | jhutchins, i thought i'd probably intuitively first remove them respectively and see if the issue is limited to having one of them in. then i would try to insert the other one into the working slot to find out whether the module is defect or if it is the slot |
| 20:40.00 | SAKUJ0 | gladly i have replacements. i was hoping maybe someone could understand the meaning of having an error just with that one test |
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| 20:40.38 | SAKUJ0 | i am probably even more glad that i don't need the second module to begin with if using just one fixes it |
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| 20:43.26 | damarusama | how do I change nautilus gui theme or look? I am on openbox, and I though that the gtk2 theme swticher would help but to no avail |
| 20:43.58 | damarusama | it look quite dated (nautilus) |
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| 20:51.38 | damarusama | is nautilus using gtk2 or gtk3? I am in openbox, and the gtk2 theme switcher doesn't seems to change anything |
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| 20:53.31 | juancito | Hi guys |
| 20:53.56 | juancito | somebody knows how to create a LXC container of Debian Lenny? |
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| 21:05.47 | jhutchins | !lxc |
| 21:05.47 | dpkg | Linux Containers (LXC) is an open source virtualization system using kernel-level isolation. http://wiki.debian.org/LXC http://lxc.sf.net/ See also <virtualization>. |
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| 21:06.41 | Ooze | this fucking computer, man |
| 21:06.46 | Ooze | I got ready to reinstall today |
| 21:06.51 | Ooze | and now it's been fine all day |
| 21:06.54 | Ooze | 10hr uptime |
| 21:07.02 | centrx | Ooze, Have you tested the hardware? |
| 21:07.14 | Ooze | I left it on overnight on the GRUB menu, didn't reboot |
| 21:07.18 | Ooze | So I thought it was the system |
| 21:07.52 | centrx | Ooze, it can also happen when a broken part of a broken HD is accessed |
| 21:07.57 | centrx | or broken part of broken RAM |
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| 21:08.06 | centrx | sitting on the GRUB menu doesn't really have the machine do anything |
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| 21:08.19 | centrx | Try memtest86+ for RAM, fsck/badblocks for HD |
| 21:08.20 | Ooze | I thought it might have been heat |
| 21:08.28 | centrx | yes that's possible too |
| 21:08.35 | centrx | install the lm-sensors package and type 'sensors' |
| 21:08.46 | Ooze | The errors I was getting were like 'power removed' and such |
| 21:08.57 | centrx | yikes yeah that does sound like hardware |
| 21:09.08 | centrx | could be a bad power supply, that can be replaced |
| 21:09.14 | centrx | lots of possibilities, but have to pin it down |
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| 21:11.05 | jhutchins | Ooze: Sometimes all you have to do is show it the hammer and it'll behave. |
| 21:12.03 | Ooze | It's got redundant power supplies, so I didn't think so |
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| 21:12.17 | Ooze | I moved it into a new rack last week and it's been doing it alot now |
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| 21:21.50 | andlabs | Hi. I'm using Wheezy to do backwards-compatibility GTK+ testing. I'd like to access a SMB share I mounted with GNOME Shell/Nautilus 3.4 from the command line but I can't seem to do that. It doesn't show up in mount. I installed gvfs-fuse but hav eno idea how to set it up (and Googling doesn't say). What can I do? Thanks. |
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| 21:23.16 | streulma | hello, I have a Asus F205TA, I read that it best works with Debian Jessie RC2, someone have it? |
| 21:24.18 | andlabs | I alos tried to run gvfs-fuse-daemon manually but it complained that permission was denied despite the directory ~/.gvfs being 0700 |
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| 21:35.09 | centrx | yowz |
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| 21:46.30 | kWO901 | how do you SSH into a live CD which doesnt ask for any login ? |
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| 21:48.54 | acz32 | kWO901: it still has a user |
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| 21:49.35 | acz32 | i would think set a password for the user and ssh in |
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| 21:54.11 | kWO901 | acz32: ok will try |
| 21:54.47 | kWO901 | acz32: its a live cd with root. no user |
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| 22:01.47 | [broken] | i have nepomuk icons in my menu but dont know what it is and they dont do anything? |
| 22:03.11 | [broken] | its xfce and wheezy, btw |
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| 22:04.21 | centrx | [broken], Did you install something through non-Debian repos? |
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| 22:04.48 | [broken] | centrx: not recently |
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| 22:06.59 | [broken] | is there a way to remove them from the menu? its not that big of a deal just kinda annoying |
| 22:07.42 | centrx | [broken], maybe this: https://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=8671 |
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| 22:24.21 | [broken] | sorry if i missed anything alacarte worked great |
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| 22:41.51 | SAKUJ0 | i had to remove one of my RAM modules (2G->1G) and now debian jessie won't booth with plymouth complaining |
| 22:42.03 | SAKUJ0 | i can get into an emergency console or attempt to continue with ctrl d |
| 22:42.07 | SAKUJ0 | any ideas? |
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| 22:44.38 | Funambuli | usb with live distro? |
| 22:45.03 | SAKUJ0 | nah a running nas installation |
| 22:45.15 | SAKUJ0 | and i had mono crashes and the second DIMM is having an error in test #8 only |
| 22:45.27 | SAKUJ0 | so i am attempting to remove it and boot in as 1G is more than enough |
| 22:45.32 | c|AFK|uego | So your ram is busted |
| 22:45.34 | SAKUJ0 | i don't even need plymouth |
| 22:45.37 | SAKUJ0 | well one of them |
| 22:45.39 | SAKUJ0 | i removed one |
| 22:45.41 | SAKUJ0 | and the other checks fine |
| 22:46.10 | SAKUJ0 | but i tried disabling plymouth or getting through via emergency console but am too much of a noob (and am standing on a chair in the kitchen to access the machine) |
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| 22:47.25 | SAKUJ0 | Failed at step EXEC spwaning /bin/plymouth: \\ Subject: Process /bin/plymouth could not be executed \\ The process /bin/plymouth could not be executed and failed. \\ The error number returned while executing this process is 2. |
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| 22:48.12 | SAKUJ0 | one guy had this because of a faulty hard disk |
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| 22:49.22 | SAKUJ0 | hmm nfs might be at fault |
| 22:49.28 | SAKUJ0 | i'll see if i can disable it -.- |
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| 22:50.32 | SAKUJ0 | exportfs -rav right? |
| 22:51.17 | Munt | hey folks ⦠im almost sorted getting my webserver functional. i am getting one hickup though. to get my files writable etc I ran this comand âsudo chown -R www-data:www-data /var/wwwâ now in the file browser my default user doesnt have the permissions to browse that folder. how can i add myself as an owner without breaking it (like add myself instead of replace the ownership)) |
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| 22:54.29 | Munt | i am part of the www-data group ⦠but i still cant access the folder. perhaps im missing something rudimentary |
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| 22:55.42 | c|AFK|uego | Munt: You don't want www-data to be able to write to /var/www, only to read. |
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| 22:56.18 | c|AFK|uego | Munt: If the webserver only needs to read therein order to serve files, it's safe you chown /var/www to yourself. |
| 22:56.25 | Munt | c|AFK|uego : it seems to be the only way i can get my wordpress to be able to install plugins and upload data etc without ftp access |
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| 22:56.53 | c|AFK|uego | Munt: wordpress need to be able to write to only *one* subdir of its install, not all of it. |
| 22:57.07 | Munt | wp-content ? |
| 22:57.16 | c|AFK|uego | I think so. |
| 22:57.25 | c|AFK|uego | not 100% sure - I do Drupal for a living ;-) |
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| 22:57.49 | Canar | Drupal: Hey, at least it's not Sharepoint. |
| 22:58.08 | Munt | My knowledge isnt strong on this. But this is the only way after 24hrs of messing that i could get it to work. so i want to stick with what i got. but even though the webserver is funtioning i cant access the directory with my default non root user anymore |
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| 22:58.42 | Munt | is there a way to add myself an an owner without overwriting the settings i have working at the moment? |
| 22:58.44 | c|AFK|uego | Munt: di you chmod 644 it or something? |
| 22:59.04 | Munt | I think the files were chmod 644 |
| 22:59.26 | c|AFK|uego | Munt: If you added a -R and the dirs are 644, that emans you can't cd into them (dirs need +x as well) |
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| 22:59.44 | Munt | what does the +x mean ? |
| 22:59.49 | c|AFK|uego | Munt: So i guess step 1 is: did you logout and log back in after adding yourself to the www-data group? |
| 22:59.53 | c|AFK|uego | Munt: executable |
| 23:00.01 | Munt | no i didnt relog ⦠let me try that |
| 23:00.05 | c|AFK|uego | in octal notation it's 1 |
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| 23:00.52 | Munt | it worked, thanks so much folk. |
| 23:00.53 | Munt | s |
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| 23:00.59 | c|AFK|uego | Munt: You're not done |
| 23:01.17 | Munt | Oh ah ? |
| 23:01.21 | c|AFK|uego | Munt: Now you have a security problem where the whole wordpress install is writable by the apache user |
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| 23:02.14 | Munt | iâm afraid i dont have the expertise to sort it out, im scared of breaking what i have working here.. |
| 23:02.18 | ZorroT | is it possible in some way to connect two deb boxes together via usb ? |
| 23:02.40 | sweetlew | Newcomer here. |
| 23:02.57 | c|AFK|uego | Munt: The TL;DR fix: chown you:www-data /var/www -R; user write, group read. then user+group *write* for wp-content + subdirs and setgid on wp-content + subdirs. |
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| 23:03.50 | SAKUJ0 | thanks effing god nfs was at fault |
| 23:04.04 | SAKUJ0 | smokes victory smoke |
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| 23:05.16 | Munt | c|AFK|uego: i donât know the commands to achieve that |
| 23:05.25 | c|AFK|uego | Munt: Those I can help you with. |
| 23:05.25 | Munt | sorry for the intense noobosity |
| 23:05.41 | Munt | thanks sir! |
| 23:05.44 | c|AFK|uego | Munt: If you don't fix p those perms, a wordpress on the wild web will probably be owned within days. |
| 23:05.44 | sweetlew | I have a laptop running AVLinux (based off of Debian), and I can't get it to recognize the internal microphone. I've tried googling it and playing around with alsamixer, but none of that has helped. I'm at my wit's end, and am about to go spastic. |
| 23:05.57 | teraflop | heh |
| 23:06.07 | Munt | c|AFK|uego: thats scarey |
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| 23:06.39 | c|AFK|uego | Munt: So, first up: chown -R yourusername:www-data /var/www |
| 23:07.36 | Munt | done that |
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| 23:07.39 | c|AFK|uego | Munt: Then cd into the wp-content dir |
| 23:07.57 | c|AFK|uego | Munt: chmod -R ug+rwX . |
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| 23:08.14 | Munt | chmod: missing operand after `ug+rwX' |
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| 23:08.22 | c|AFK|uego | Munt: there's a . |
| 23:08.26 | Munt | appologies |
| 23:08.32 | Munt | all good |
| 23:08.40 | c|AFK|uego | that makes all in wp-content writable by apache |
| 23:08.56 | c|AFK|uego | Finally, in case YOU write there we need the content to remain owned by the correct group |
| 23:09.04 | c|AFK|uego | find . -type d -exec chmod g+s {} + |
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| 23:09.17 | c|AFK|uego | that finds all directories under wp-content and makes them setgid |
| 23:09.18 | lizzy | I just wanted to know if block device UUID or label name is the default to display by cli tools like df etc. and gui like Dolphin? |
| 23:09.39 | Munt | ok that seems to have broken wordpress. in that it will no longer install plugins etc |
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| 23:09.47 | SAKUJ0 | any idea why removing a DIMM could suddenly poison my NFS configuration? /etc/exports http://paste.debian.net/165596/ and /etc/fstab http://paste.debian.net/165597/ |
| 23:09.51 | c|AFK|uego | setgid on a directory makes anything written IN that directory inherit the dicrectory's group, instead of the suer's group. |
| 23:09.52 | sweetlew | Anybody here familiar with AVLinux? |
| 23:09.55 | SAKUJ0 | i must admit my NFS configuration is quite trial and error based |
| 23:10.23 | SAKUJ0 | i had to comment out my exports and mounts in order to not have my system boot hang with an error on plymouth (jessie here) |
| 23:11.05 | c|AFK|uego | Munt: Your apache *is* running as the www-data user/group, right? |
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| 23:11.43 | Munt | export APACHE_RUN_USER=www-data same for group |
| 23:11.51 | teraflop | sweetlew: do not expect support here for AVLinux |
| 23:12.05 | c|AFK|uego | rite. it doesn't need to write its plugins anywhere else does it? |
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| 23:12.35 | sweetlew | teraflop: Ok. It's just that I tried to look up an irc for it on Google, and it pointed me here. |
| 23:13.00 | SAKUJ0 | here is why i removed the DIMM http://i.imgur.com/9lMqUYl.jpg |
| 23:13.16 | SAKUJ0 | the error was reproducible on every PASS and went away after removig a DIMM |
| 23:13.18 | Munt | c|AFK|uego: I honestly donât know |
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| 23:13.32 | SAKUJ0 | apparently the mono crashes disappeared now - though it is too early to tell |
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| 23:14.06 | Munt | wp-content/plugins |
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| 23:15.21 | Munt | Iâm looking here http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18352682/correct-file-permissions-for-wordpress for information regarding it |
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| 23:17.08 | c|AFK|uego | Munt: Yeah, that's awful advice. |
| 23:17.46 | Munt | Iâm trying to roll back the changes to a point where it was working atm |
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| 23:19.01 | Munt | i got it working again â¦. but only in the âim gonna get owned â mode |
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| 23:24.22 | Munt | Do you folks have any ideas on setting the correct permissions on a wordpress install ? so far http://bjarneo.codes/ubuntu-add-permissions-to-user-for-www-data/ < this is the only working solution Iâve found |
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| 23:24.46 | Munt | sudo adduser username www-data; sudo chown -R www-data:www-data /var/www; sudo chmod -R g+rw /var/www; |
| 23:25.21 | tytan | Hello, everyone. I'm thinking about buying a nVidia GT 630. Do you think it will be difficult to get it running with the upcoming stable release of Debian Jessy? |
| 23:25.25 | tytan | *Jessie |
| 23:26.08 | tytan | *730 |
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| 23:31.06 | Brigo | tytan, is that an old card? |
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| 23:31.31 | tytan | Brigo Not really. Maybe one year on the market |
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| 23:32.43 | Brigo | tytan, it is supported by debian default nvidia driver, not sure about nouveau. |
| 23:33.08 | tytan | Brigo cool, thank you ^^ |
| 23:33.17 | Brigo | tytan, yw :) |
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| 23:33.42 | tytan | I read that Debian 8 will come out this month. I'm so excited :D |
| 23:35.22 | Brigo | tytan, there is a date, 25 iirc, but is not definitive. It could change if things go wrong. |
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| 23:36.30 | tytan | Bring I just care about the quality. Debian 7.8 still serves my needs pretty well. I wonder if KDE5 will be installable or if LXDE will look different |
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| 23:41.49 | iWaldo | well damnit, i might have found a bug but i didn't document anything well enough to file it |
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| 23:42.18 | iWaldo | and i suppose that, if it is actually a bug, it'll get fixed by the virtualbox guys once they release a binary for jessie |
| 23:43.12 | Brigo | tytan, i think jessie ships kde4.4. |
| 23:43.39 | blackflow | iWaldo: depends whether the debug is in packaging or in software, and if the later, it could take months for upstream to fix anything |
| 23:44.02 | tytan | Brigo Where can I look it all up? |
| 23:44.09 | iWaldo | blackflow: ah, maybe i'll try to reproduce it with documentation |
| 23:44.27 | Brigo | tytan, in the web, or just ask judd -it is a bot- |
| 23:44.40 | iWaldo | RDPing into a virtual machine segfaulted the vbox in the debian repo |
| 23:44.52 | tytan | Thank you again. Have a good night, everyone |
| 23:44.56 | lizzy | after 'cryptsetup luksClose diskX' diskX is still displayed under /dev/mapper . what now? |
| 23:45.01 | iWaldo | the latest wheezy release from oracle worked perfectly |
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| 23:49.39 | andlabs | Hi. I'm using Wheezy to do backwards-compatibility GTK+ testing. I'd like to access a SMB share I mounted with GNOME Shell/Nautilus 3.4 from the command line but I can't seem to do that. It doesn't show up in mount. I installed gvfs-fuse but hav eno idea how to set it up (and Googling doesn't say). What can I do? Thanks. |
| 23:49.42 | andlabs | I alos tried to run gvfs-fuse-daemon manually but it complained that permission was denied despite the directory ~/.gvfs being 0700 |
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