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| 00:17.27 | andlabs | oh I needed to add myself to the fuse gruop; now it works |
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| 00:50.26 | donofrio | got my mac mini sound working by removing the comments to modprobe the aoa devices, all is working now....just needs gnash that is equal to pepperflash |
| 00:50.34 | donofrio | for firefox |
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| 00:52.55 | phix | donofrio: you also need a proper computer :) |
| 00:53.31 | phix | I don't recommend macs, they charge 3 times as much for the same hardware as other manufactures |
| 00:53.48 | centrx | yeah emacs sucks, vim forever! |
| 00:54.02 | ZorroT | depends on the hardware. when i bought my imac, there was no comparable configuration with an equivalent monitor in the same price range. |
| 00:54.09 | donofrio | http://paste.debian.net/165609/ need to get 3d working |
| 00:55.10 | phix | centrx: VIM! <3 |
| 00:55.24 | phix | I preferred Macs when they were PPC |
| 00:55.30 | phix | those were the says |
| 00:55.31 | phix | days* |
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| 00:56.42 | donofrio | phix: it's each day here lol |
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| 00:57.05 | phix | :) |
| 00:57.21 | donofrio | powermac's two g5's, powerbooks got a few around, and this one is a mac mini....sound working now just need 3d enabled |
| 00:57.59 | donofrio | (also flash how.....facepalm I know....just need 3d for now) |
| 00:58.40 | phix | NVIDIA?? |
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| 00:59.21 | donofrio | [ 25.209490] [drm] register mmio size: 65536 |
| 00:59.21 | donofrio | [ 25.209590] radeon 0000:00:10.0: Invalid ROM contents |
| 00:59.21 | donofrio | [ 25.209615] radeon 0000:00:10.0: Invalid ROM contents |
| 00:59.21 | donofrio | [ 25.209630] [drm:radeon_get_bios] *ERROR* Unable to locate a BIOS ROM |
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| 00:59.45 | donofrio | my bad |
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| 00:59.49 | donofrio | facepalm |
| 00:59.54 | donofrio | it kicked me |
| 00:59.55 | donofrio | )-; |
| 01:00.00 | donofrio | now worth |
| 01:00.03 | donofrio | worthy |
| 01:00.06 | donofrio | I meant |
| 01:00.14 | donofrio | anyways |
| 01:01.04 | donofrio | drm radeon get bios *ERROR* Unable to locate a BIOS ROM ? |
| 01:01.20 | donofrio | I loaded firmware-nonfree |
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| 01:07.46 | donofrio | any advice welcomed (-: |
| 01:08.39 | donofrio | cause the debian-ppc seems to be a silent channel - been sitting for days chillin this channel has been rocking yesterday got 2d working and I was happy, would be estatic to get 3d working somehow |
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| 01:13.35 | donofrio | var log messages output@ http://paste.debian.net/165613/ |
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| 01:19.57 | [broken] | are there any other terminals that do transparency that dont require compositor? |
| 01:23.35 | phix | [broken]: I like gnome-terminal, no idea if that uses compositor or not |
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| 01:24.41 | [broken] | seems so |
| 01:24.52 | [broken] | this machine is too old for compositor |
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| 01:28.23 | woalwa | why is openoffice not in debian anymore? |
| 01:30.07 | centrx | woalwa, it's called libreoffice now |
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| 01:31.30 | woalwa | is that just a change of name? openoffice is still avalable from Apache. I want to revert to OO because LO cannot support Asian languages. |
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| 01:34.29 | {broken] | xcompmgr seems to work well |
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| 01:35.32 | themill | woalwa: I would very much doubt that there is a difference between the two |
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| 01:37.38 | OSVG | They share a majority of code, but are not bit-for-bit copies. |
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| 01:38.26 | OSVG | There are a handful of features, such as font embed in LO, that are not shared between the two. |
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| 01:39.43 | OSVG | Libre Office can and does copy code directly from Open Office due to licensing, so I'd be surprised to know that LO lacked a feature that OO had. |
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| 02:01.59 | donofrio | var log messages output@ http://paste.debian.net/165613/ any hope of how to get 3d working? |
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| 02:06.20 | LuminolBlue | Hi. Does Debian Wheezy come with a built-in firewall? I'm assuming it does, but is this firewall ON by default out of the box, so to speak? If it is, what would be the best way to turn it OFF and leave it OFF? Thanks. |
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| 02:07.26 | dvs | LuminolBlue: It has several firewall packages but none of them are activated by default. |
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| 02:07.28 | donofrio | LuminolBlue: just run less services....can't get what's not running |
| 02:07.45 | vandox | Look at ufw for a simple solution for firewalls |
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| 02:08.28 | LuminolBlue | dvs: Thank you, that's what I wanted to comfirm. I've tried looking at 'iptables', which seems to be the default, but there is nothing listed in inbound or outbound, so I'm assuming there's nothing to enable to disable. |
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| 02:09.50 | LuminolBlue | This confirms that my router is a piece of crap and won't allow anyone outside my LAN to SSH to my Wheezy server. :) |
| 02:09.56 | LuminolBlue | Thanks for your help! |
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| 02:10.47 | vandox | For that you probably want to use port forwarding |
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| 02:51.31 | battlecat | hola |
| 02:52.25 | battlecat | exit |
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| 02:55.23 | Sebboh | Hi all. Do you suppose I can dd the nightly d-i netinst image onto the partition that is currently my swap on another linux so I don't have to buy a burner or usb stick? |
| 02:55.52 | Sebboh | and keep my /home while I'm at it? |
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| 02:57.22 | shay_shay | Today I discovered you can remove permission from yourself ... If you have group permissions you can chmod g-rwx and then you won't have sufficient permissions to put it back |
| 02:57.44 | shay_shay | That is weird. |
| 02:58.40 | Sebboh | shay_shay: does that mean you have to have +w to chmod? |
| 02:59.06 | shay_shay | I guess so |
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| 03:01.57 | Sebboh | shay_shay: I'm unable to reproduce what you describe. Any chance the file you're working with is on some weird filesystem? FS type vbox is weird with permissions, for example. |
| 03:02.22 | Sebboh | Specifically the thing I can't reproduce is setting g-w without sudo. |
| 03:02.53 | shay_shay | Huh |
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| 03:03.29 | shay_shay | I'll try it when I get home in an hour |
| 03:03.34 | shay_shay | Report back |
| 03:03.40 | shay_shay | This happened at work |
| 03:03.59 | shay_shay | I chmodded our entire samba share lol |
| 03:04.06 | shay_shay | Even though I wasn't owner |
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| 03:07.21 | Sebboh | shay_shay, sure, samba counts as "weird". On a regular ext2 (or ext3 or ext4) filesystem, you can't set perms that you can't unset. AFAIK. For example: http://paste.debian.net/165625/ |
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| 03:08.16 | Sebboh | I like to imagine that the wizards of the past liked to avoid situations that would result in the users calling them on the phone. ;) |
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| 03:10.57 | rabbitear_sdf | Sebboh: normally regular people are all wizards now, this is not the 80s anymore |
| 03:11.19 | shay_shay | Sebboh: can you try it again , first make the file 777 then try to change it with your wheel group user? |
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| 03:13.05 | shay_shay | It was a samba share but it happened on a tree with several filesystems symlinked and bind mounted together...I will need to figure out how it happened |
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| 03:14.07 | shay_shay | By saying it was a samba share I wasn't implying I did it from windows explorer |
| 03:14.34 | shay_shay | Or from any samba client for that matter, I was ssh'd in |
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| 03:18.02 | Sebboh | rabbitear_sdf: but this sounds like something strictly defined by POSIX... That was 80s, right? Maybe it was still a WIP when the 80s drew to a close.. Dunno. |
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| 03:19.50 | Sebboh | shay_shay: sorry, I am on a mission unrelated to the finer points of file permissions. Rests assured that what you encountered is most likely a bug--ie, it wasn't supposed to do that. |
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| 03:20.58 | rabbitear_sdf | Sebboh: the movie wizards in the 80s has nothing to do with POSIX |
| 03:21.27 | rabbitear_sdf | ;) |
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| 03:28.43 | mordocai | I just re-installed my gaming desktop as debian (from Windows 8) and noticed that it is unclear in https://wiki.debian.org/Steam that you don't have to install the libgl1-fglrx-glx:i386 package if you are using the open source AMD drivers. I haven't edited the wiki before, should I make an account and add a note? |
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| 03:34.21 | rabbitear_sdf | mordocai: its good to repeat what you did |
| 03:34.44 | rabbitear_sdf | mordocai: so you are sure that is how you got messed up |
| 03:35.26 | rabbitear_sdf | mordocai: but or just note, yeah, I only did this once, free wheeling it |
| 03:35.52 | mordocai | rabbitear_sdf: Well, not quite as good but I purged all fglrx related packages and now I'm up and running again. |
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| 03:36.19 | mordocai | rabbitear_sdf: Either way, proprietary amd is harder than I remember -.-. Had a non-functional desktop for a bit. |
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| 04:11.30 | STMelon | ty |
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| 04:40.15 | ryouma | something is setting the screen saver (i.e. it blanks too quickly and xset -q shows a timeout even though i did xset s off). any idea what could keep resetting it? |
| 04:40.40 | buu | xscreen-saver ? |
| 04:40.41 | buu | =] |
| 04:41.19 | ryouma | i am using fluxbox and i have no screensaver set |
| 04:41.26 | ryouma | process list shows no screensaver |
| 04:42.31 | ryouma | the only thing i can think to fix it is to run cron every minute to do xset s off :( |
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| 04:44.16 | aaro | try xset -dpms |
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| 04:46.09 | ryouma | aaro: i already do xset dpms 1800 3600 7200. the problem is the xset screensaver, according to xset -q. |
| 04:46.51 | aaro | tried xset -s off ? |
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| 04:47.13 | ryouma | yes, and it says timeout: 0 cycle: 600. that works. but then something resets it to timeout: 600 cycle: 600 |
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| 04:48.02 | aaro | no de? |
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| 04:48.24 | ryouma | correct |
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| 04:49.10 | aaro | weird ... |
| 04:49.56 | aaro | what gpu? |
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| 04:52.38 | ryouma | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:52.59 | ryouma | is what lshw says |
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| 04:53.02 | aaro | you have a customized xorg file? |
| 04:53.18 | ryouma | no |
| 04:53.55 | aaro | propietary or free driver? |
| 04:54.15 | ryouma | free |
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| 05:02.13 | aaro | ryouma: i don't any bug related to that, are you using a login display manager? |
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| 05:03.23 | ryouma | aaro: no, direct login at login prompt in console |
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| 05:03.43 | ryouma | and righta after that, i deliberately run xset s off to make sure it's off |
| 05:03.54 | ryouma | but something turns it on |
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| 05:05.41 | aaro | no ~/.xinitrc file ? |
| 05:07.26 | ryouma | aaro: yes, and after running it, the screensaver settings are fine |
| 05:10.03 | aaro | then only options left is some process doing it or a bug in your driver |
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| 05:44.48 | Ginger_Pop | Hey. So I just had a weird problem that started right now, I tried rebooting... My left alt key suddenly lost many of it behaviours, seemingly when combined with shift. ALT+F4 to kill something work, as does ALT+F2. But shift+alt+left to move windows doesn't nor does Alt+> trigger movements in Emacs. I don't know what happened and it's consistent with both the build-in and USB keyboard. |
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| 05:46.14 | Ginger_Pop | It's really messing up my workflow, though, there are a number of things I don't know how I'll do without shift-alt. |
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| 05:48.15 | Ginger_Pop | I'm using MATE desktop in case that matters |
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| 05:49.48 | Ginger_Pop | Goddamit, I found it. Sorry. MATE randomly decided that ALT+SHIFT now changed layouts although I only have one and this hasn't happened before. |
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| 06:35.48 | MeteorCurse | Hi anyone with debian whezzy freezes?. BUG: unable to handle kernel paging request at ..... |
| 06:36.15 | MeteorCurse | not sure if its my computer issues or debian |
| 06:36.49 | MeteorCurse | i see other peple with similar bugs didnt find any fix |
| 06:37.55 | MeteorCurse | sometimes it crashes when im away from computer and come back |
| 06:38.14 | Walex | the fact that the kernel has "BUG" calls here and there shows that such events are expected... |
| 06:38.59 | Walex | MeteorCurse: it could be your computer issue if things like heat or low voltage etc. cause malfunctions in CPU, memory or buses. |
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| 06:39.52 | MeteorCurse | Walex, ok i defenitly suspect my power supply |
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| 06:40.33 | MeteorCurse | but i see other people with similar problems. anyways with lubuntu i get same freezes |
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| 06:56.42 | MeteorCurse | thanks . have a nice day :) |
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| 07:20.47 | AndreasLutro | in debian jessie I have a problem with systemd services with Type=forking - after rebooting the machine, the systemctl start command becomes unresponsive even though the service process itself starts fine. how can I debug this? |
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| 07:24.36 | Contrl | How would I do something like chkconfig --level 2345 NetworkManager on ... on Debian? |
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| 07:39.43 | DavidFromBelgium | Contrl: update-rc.d NetworkManager defaults |
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| 07:50.30 | Cullz__ | I think I may have repositories that aren't in sources.list - is this possible? |
| 07:50.48 | AndreasLutro | Cullz__: /etc/apt/sources.list.d |
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| 07:52.22 | Cullz__ | AndreasLutro: thanks |
| 07:52.50 | Cullz__ | I updated from wheezy to testing recently but I noticed apt-get update would get these repos and they're still wheezy |
| 07:52.57 | Cullz__ | maybe I should amend them to testing? |
| 07:53.13 | AndreasLutro | you'll want to change wheezy everywhere you can, yes |
| 07:53.25 | AndreasLutro | note that some third party repositories may not support testing |
| 07:53.50 | z8z | Cullz__: you didn't need to update as it will be released within this month |
| 07:53.51 | Cullz__ | oh ok, maybe I should check for each (there's only 3) |
| 07:54.34 | Cullz__ | z8z: Jessie will become the new stable? |
| 07:54.37 | themill | You probably should use "jessie" not "testing" in your sources.list too |
| 07:54.44 | AndreasLutro | ^ |
| 07:54.47 | z8z | Cullz__: yes |
| 07:54.57 | Cullz__ | is that safer? |
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| 07:55.53 | Cullz__ | now that I have already updated to testing, is it ok to change to jessie? |
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| 07:56.33 | Cullz__ | thanks for all the answers - I'm newish to this - have been running 'stable' for years |
| 07:56.57 | z8z | z8z: yes but after you upgraded and all config files has been upgraded better to have a fresh install |
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| 07:59.28 | AndreasLutro | after rebooting debian jessie, systemd hangs on `systemctl start` on services with Type=forking - the service process itself starts just fine, but systemd is hanging. how can I debug this? |
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| 08:05.32 | Cullz__ | so if I change sources.list from testing to jessie will it break things? |
| 08:05.46 | lopho_ | Hello. I got this: [5364531.734954] php5-fpm[29137]: segfault at 0 ip 00000000006b466a sp 00007fff75491a90 error 4 in php5-fpm[400000+75a000] |
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| 08:06.02 | themill | Cullz__: not if you do so within the next couple of weeks while jessie is still the testing release |
| 08:06.16 | Cullz__ | thank you |
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| 08:07.14 | DangerClose | good morning :/ |
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| 08:08.51 | tombee | Hey folks -- I'm running Debian Jessie as a desktop here with XFCE.. does anyone have any ideas how I'd best go about setting a system-wide proxy? |
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| 08:13.37 | ahmetalpbalkan | Hi folks, how can I find the list of the URLs downloaded to the machine during an 'apt-get install'. I'm trying to do this to measure network performance of the repos I'm using and I'm planning to curl to /dev/null and measure download time to isolate disk speed in this equation. |
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| 08:14.37 | ChrisH | ahmetalpbalkan: May I ask WHY you want to do tha? |
| 08:14.39 | ChrisH | ahmetalpbalkan: May I ask WHY you want to do that? |
| 08:15.06 | ahmetalpbalkan | ChrisH: I work at a cloud provider and I want to measure how fast we are compared to others :) |
| 08:15.08 | buu | ahmetalpbalkan: Why don't you just use apt-select |
| 08:15.19 | buu | or whatever its called these days |
| 08:15.31 | buu | netselect-apt |
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| 08:15.54 | ahmetalpbalkan | buu: I'm not an apt user. I just want to measure the network speed of a repo |
| 08:16.11 | buu | ahmetalpbalkan: ? A repo is just a http server |
| 08:16.22 | buu | Take url, download it |
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| 08:17.19 | ChrisH | ahmetalpbalkan: I would assume repos limit the speed per -something-, so offering your customers an apt-proxy might make them more happy. apt-cacher-ng needs only a little setup and maintenance |
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| 08:17.33 | Cullz__ | why does debian put repositories in sources.list.d, does it treat them differently if they are there? |
| 08:17.36 | ahmetalpbalkan | buu: yeah I know how to download :) I just need to know URL for the blobs downloaded during an apt-get |
| 08:17.44 | ahmetalpbalkan | I don't know where to find them, hence my question. |
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| 08:17.52 | buu | ahmetalpbalkan: My point is that they're listed by yourr web browser if you visit the url |
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| 08:18.10 | Cullz__ | ahmetalpbalkan: /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
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| 08:19.04 | buu | ahmetalpbalkan: http://ftp.hk.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie/Release |
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| 08:20.09 | DangerClose | hey, has anyone ever set up chrome remote desktop, or a ninja with x11 forwarding? |
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| 08:20.22 | jelly | ahmetalpbalkan: use --print-uris with apt-get to make it output links instead of doing the usual action |
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| 08:21.21 | Zerant | why are so many still using apt-get and not aptitude? |
| 08:21.25 | AndreeeCZ | hi! how do i check what cpu scheduler am i running? |
| 08:21.44 | ahmetalpbalkan | jelly: thank you you're my hero! |
| 08:22.07 | buu | Force of habit |
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| 08:22.12 | Cullz__ | has aptitude got anything apt-get doesn't? why's there 2 anyway? i never understood that |
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| 08:22.21 | jelly | Zerant: because they act differently. |
| 08:22.24 | buu | Yeah, I've never seen a reason to upgrade |
| 08:22.28 | buu | er, change |
| 08:22.28 | jelly | !why aptitude |
| 08:22.29 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). For some upgrades, apt-get is preferred (e.g. <lenny->squeeze>, <squeeze->wheezy>). http://tinyurl.com/3g4d4d9. |
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| 08:22.32 | jelly | !why not aptitude |
| 08:22.32 | dpkg | Aptitude is more memory intensive and slower than <apt-get>, the <ncurses> interface is always loaded regardless of being used or not. Moreover the resolver can sometimes produce unexpected results and most of <aptitude>'s former exclusive features are now available in <apt-get> as well. Ask me about <why aptitude> and see http://tinyurl.com/3g4d4d9. |
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| 08:23.32 | Cullz__ | is it true that a user should only use apt-get or aptitude, but not a bit of both? |
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| 08:24.05 | jelly | Cullz__: not any more |
| 08:24.11 | Cullz__ | repos changed to jessie, all looks good. the third party ones only work if pointed to wheezy though :/ |
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| 08:25.21 | ahmetalpbalkan | jelly: it looks like there's no --print-uris equivalent in aptitude |
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| 08:25.57 | jelly | ahmetalpbalkan: that is correct |
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| 08:46.28 | lonelybyte | Error:no apm support in kernel |
| 08:46.35 | lonelybyte | how to solved? |
| 08:47.45 | lonelybyte | how to solved No apm support in kernel |
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| 08:55.08 | Iridos | dpkg, apm |
| 08:55.08 | dpkg | Advanced Power Management (APM) is a long-obsolete <API> allowing an operating system (on a IBM-compatible PC) to work with the BIOS for power management functions. Debian's apmd package provides a daemon for logging and acting on APM events, the necessary apm Linux kernel module is automatically loaded via its init script. See also <poweroff>. For APM's intended successor, ask me about <ACPI>. |
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| 09:27.54 | lonelybyte | No apm support in kernel why this problem? |
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| 09:33.55 | DataGhostS | how is it that I can do apt-get update on a clean /var/lib/apt/lists, get everything without any problem and then literally ten seconds later when I run it again, it fails Sources for wheezy-updates/main and Packages for wheezy/updates/main/binary-amd64 on security.debian.org? |
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| 09:34.36 | DataGhostS | is something up with the mirrors or is it on my end? |
| 09:34.41 | bazhang | Advanced Power Management (APM) is a long-obsolete <API <--- lone |
| 09:34.48 | bazhang | ach he quit |
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| 09:35.47 | DataGhostS | fails with 404 by the way. very strange |
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| 09:37.07 | fraff | DataGhostS: can you paste your sources.list ? |
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| 09:38.41 | DataGhostS | fraff: http://pastebin.com/pmLrJXQG though I do have another file in sources.list.d but that only contains a custom repository I made |
| 09:39.04 | DataGhostS | Err http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates/main amd64 Packages |
| 09:39.05 | DataGhostS | W: Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/wheezy/updates/main/binary-amd64/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 149.20.20.6 80] |
| 09:39.07 | DataGhostS | I get those |
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| 09:39.54 | DataGhostS | ok maybe a DNS issue because I get a completely differenset of IPs on another machine. what the hell google |
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| 09:40.40 | DataGhostS | nope DNS is not it |
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| 09:45.56 | fraff | DataGhostS: dns seems to be the cause, security.debian.org does not resolve to 149.20.20.6 here |
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| 09:46.33 | DataGhostS | no I know but it expired and not it resolves to 195.20.242.89 with the same error |
| 09:46.41 | horrovac | Hey. Recently all directories created when I do a "make install" from sources have permissions of 700. My umask is ok and creating directories with mkdir works correctly. Any hints? |
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| 09:47.49 | DataGhostS | fraff, what does it resolve to for you then? |
| 09:48.12 | fraff | DataGhostS: 212.211.132.32 and 195.20.242.89 |
| 09:48.37 | fraff | DataGhostS: wait few hours for dns entries to propagate and see |
| 09:49.00 | DataGhostS | fraff: at least the second one you mentioned does not work for me either |
| 09:49.22 | Ticho | horrovac: the install target in Makefiles usually uses install(1) program, with -m to set permissions explicitly |
| 09:50.47 | horrovac | Ticho: In one instance I traced it to install-sh, the -m is a variable in the script and the mode is correct. |
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| 09:54.30 | DataGhostS | fraff, neither does the first one. doesn't seem to be dns then? |
| 09:54.36 | Ticho | horrovac: no idea, sorry - have you tried adding "umask" to the Makefile to print the current umask just before install-sh is called? maybe it gets changed somewhere along the way |
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| 09:56.29 | horrovac | Ticho: No I haven't but I could try that. Thanks anyway - I primarily wanted to see if anyone else has this. |
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| 09:58.24 | Ticho | horrovac: I haven't encountered the issue yet, sounds very strange |
| 09:59.16 | horrovac | Ticho: Yes it is, since everything else works just fine. File permissions are correct, it just screws up the directories. |
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| 10:03.27 | iahc | I'm trying to fix the root filesystem of my encrypted system |
| 10:04.03 | iahc | I could use assistance mounting a LVM volume inside the LUKS encryption that I just opened |
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| 10:06.36 | iahc | lvdisplay shows the volume I want to mount, but doing a "mount [LV Name] /mnt" just gives me "special device /dev/[VG Name]/[LV Name] does not exist" |
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| 10:06.59 | mjt | so does it exist? |
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| 10:07.12 | horrovac | Use the path shown by lvdisplay |
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| 10:07.39 | iahc | I do use that path. |
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| 10:08.49 | iahc | under /dev there's no folder by the name of the volume group |
| 10:09.02 | horrovac | What's under /dev/mapper ? |
| 10:09.28 | mjt | broken/missing udev rules? |
| 10:09.52 | horrovac | He's trying to fix something, so it's probably a live cd of some sorts. |
| 10:09.53 | iahc | only thing under /dev/mapper related to my target volume is the "luks-xxxxxxxxx" |
| 10:10.33 | iahc | It's no live CD but a Jessie hd install of a friend |
| 10:10.55 | iahc | also with encryption |
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| 10:11.03 | horrovac | Try mounting the lukx-xxxxxx directly. |
| 10:11.25 | horrovac | I have no system with encryption here right now, but I think that might be the volume. |
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| 10:11.53 | iahc | "mount: unknown filesystem type 'LVM2_member'" |
| 10:12.14 | horrovac | Do lvscan |
| 10:12.28 | iahc | the volumes and volgroups of the running system show up fine. |
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| 10:13.14 | iahc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:14.00 | horrovac | then set it active |
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| 10:14.18 | horrovac | vgchange -a y <volume group> iirc |
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| 10:16.53 | iahc | horrovac: that solved it. thanks a lot. |
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| 10:17.36 | horrovac | iahc: np :) |
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| 11:08.34 | SAKUJ0 | jesus christ. 11th pass 400 errors (17 passes total) |
| 11:08.41 | SAKUJ0 | sometimes it is just better to let memtest run |
| 11:08.53 | SAKUJ0 | head these words i would have dumped tens of additional hours into that system |
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| 11:19.12 | jelly | SAKUJ0: "heed" <- you got a bitflip error there |
| 11:19.36 | SAKUJ0 | thanks <3 |
| 11:19.43 | SAKUJ0 | i've learned sth today |
| 11:20.31 | SAKUJ0 | who was the wise guy who said english was an easy language? it is probably the most inconsistent language i have ever seen based exclusively on exceptions if compared to like roman languages |
| 11:20.52 | horrovac | You don't know German. |
| 11:21.06 | p0g0_ | SAKUJ0: English is horrid, tis true. |
| 11:21.07 | filenox | You don't know Chinese |
| 11:21.13 | filenox | You don't know Dutch |
| 11:21.18 | filenox | You don't know Turkish |
| 11:21.19 | p0g0_ | meet, meat, mete... |
| 11:21.23 | SAKUJ0 | lol |
| 11:21.30 | SAKUJ0 | i do know german turkish and dutch as a matter of fact |
| 11:21.32 | swordsmanz | agrees that english is infact a barbaricly cruel languge |
| 11:21.32 | SAKUJ0 | well dutch not really |
| 11:21.47 | horrovac | German, look no further. |
| 11:21.49 | filenox | SAKUJ0: and you think English is harder to learn? |
| 11:21.54 | SAKUJ0 | yes filenox |
| 11:22.01 | SAKUJ0 | most certainly turkish is easier than english :p |
| 11:22.01 | swordsmanz | filenox actually chineese is quite logical |
| 11:22.02 | filenox | (or is Turkish your native language? :p ) |
| 11:22.16 | filenox | swordsmanz: I've heard it's quite hard |
| 11:22.25 | SAKUJ0 | the thing is turkish is limited to like what? 50 words on the street ? :p |
| 11:22.40 | filenox | SAKUJ0: it sure sounds like that, haha |
| 11:22.45 | horrovac | Slavic languages are a bitch. |
| 11:22.53 | swordsmanz | filenox english would be hard for a chineede native in the same way |
| 11:22.56 | SAKUJ0 | i know this is a bit condescending but the vocabulary in used turkish language is limited (understatement) |
| 11:23.11 | SAKUJ0 | stress: *used* |
| 11:24.10 | SAKUJ0 | at least you can see the light at the end of the tunnel. with english you can have read tolkien and martin. you can have a phd and speak english in daily language |
| 11:24.17 | SAKUJ0 | but shit just ain't consistent :p |
| 11:25.28 | swordsmanz | SAKUJ0 there are many great works of litriture that can be read in non english o-o |
| 11:25.41 | swordsmanz | aslo |
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| 11:26.14 | SAKUJ0 | sure, why would there not be? |
| 11:26.17 | swordsmanz | as far as readiung is concerened there are only a few doxen book that you actually need to read in english, before you have pritty much read them all |
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| 11:27.22 | SAKUJ0 | because they were so significant in literature that all following work is a mere copy of the original work? |
| 11:27.34 | SAKUJ0 | i don't think i get what you are getting at, i am surely interested though |
| 11:29.44 | swordsmanz | yes |
| 11:30.06 | swordsmanz | like most science fiction and fantasy is highly dirivative |
| 11:30.26 | swordsmanz | and frankly boreing one you have read just a couple of book |
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| 11:31.21 | jelly | best move that interesting conversation to #debian-offtopic or /msg |
| 11:31.46 | swordsmanz | jelly good point |
| 11:32.38 | swordsmanz | SAKUJ0 come play in offtopic xD |
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| 11:37.49 | SAKUJ0 | apologizes to je.lly |
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| 11:40.12 | hanmac1 | horrovac: as a german i can say that our language is funky ... specially if you get in contact with some "exotic" dialects ;P |
| 11:41.15 | horrovac | hanmac1: I live in Austria, so... save your breath :) |
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| 11:41.54 | hanmac1 | horrovac: so you are near enough to hear the Bavarian talking? i am sorry for you xD |
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| 11:44.37 | horrovac | hanmac1: I'm right next door, Upper Austria :) |
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| 11:56.46 | rgr | only read a few english books before you have pretty much read them all? I've read some bullshit on the internet before but that one takes the biscuit. |
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| 12:05.54 | Cullz___ | are jessie/updates available from security.debian.org repository? |
| 12:06.24 | Cullz___ | or does it need to be wheezy? |
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| 12:08.07 | jelly | Cullz___: jessie will have security updates when it's released |
| 12:09.10 | Cullz___ | in the meantime it should be wheezy/updates? |
| 12:09.15 | Cullz___ | or stable/updates? |
| 12:09.26 | jelly | which distro have you installed? |
| 12:09.39 | Cullz___ | recently upgraded wheezy to jessie |
| 12:10.14 | jelly | then keep the security line for jessie. |
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| 12:11.04 | ychaouche | Hello #debian |
| 12:11.12 | ychaouche | I would like to write an init script for nginx |
| 12:11.30 | ychaouche | I am having a problem with finding where the pid file would be depending on how the software was installed |
| 12:11.45 | ychaouche | if it's with the sources, then it should look into /usr/local/nginx/logs/ |
| 12:12.00 | ychaouche | and if it's from the package it should look for the pidfile in /var/run/ |
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| 12:12.42 | ychaouche | The user can also specify the pidfile in the nginx's configuration file |
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| 12:12.58 | horrovac | Or probably at compile time |
| 12:13.02 | suexec | I added an export to /etc/profile . Is there any way to apply this variable to my current X session, without logging out? (Netbeans isn't seeing the variable when I start it from the xfce menu. If I export the variable and start from shell, it works fine) |
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| 12:13.18 | hikenboot | anyone know what the debian ppc equivalent is to ctrl+alt+ F2/F3... |
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| 12:14.32 | ychaouche | any idea if its possible to treat all these cases ? |
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| 12:14.37 | horrovac | suexec: you can only source the profile in individual shells. X sessions are children of a different shell. That ship has sailed. |
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| 12:19.28 | suexec | horrovac, was afraid you'd say that |
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| 12:20.43 | horrovac | You can export this variable on a shell and then start the program from that shell. |
| 12:21.00 | horrovac | Or just restart the x session. |
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| 12:23.49 | Cullz___ | can anyone recommend an irc client for debian? |
| 12:24.07 | warbaque | irssi |
| 12:24.16 | blackflow | irssi +1 |
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| 12:25.32 | Cullz___ | thanks |
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| 12:26.04 | horrovac | irssi++ |
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| 12:26.43 | warbaque | add a nice theme and some scripts |
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| 12:29.17 | CissWit | weechat is nice, more features, better default options |
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| 12:30.40 | jelly | Cullz___: hexchat, if you prefer proportional fonts to terminal apps |
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| 12:33.51 | filenox | and if someone is reading this on OSX: the perfect IRC client for OSX is LimeChat |
| 12:34.44 | AberHatschi | xchat works fine for me |
| 12:35.20 | Cullz___ | thanks all. basic GUI with tabs would be nice. |
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| 12:35.36 | AberHatschi | xchat |
| 12:36.13 | Cullz___ | foss and recommended with debian preferable too |
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| 12:36.36 | horrovac | Most people I know run irssi in a screen session on a server somewhere, from Linux or Mac or whatever. This session actually runs on a FreeBSD machine. |
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| 12:37.26 | horrovac | I don't think I even have an IRC client installed on my machines. |
| 12:37.42 | tugrik | Cullz___: weechat, because of what CissWit said |
| 12:37.59 | tugrik | also I don't think the irssi code has been updated for quite a while... |
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| 12:38.19 | horrovac | So it will stop working? |
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| 12:38.49 | AberHatschi | xchat http://uppix.com/f-screen_chat552521380018b385.png |
| 12:38.51 | horrovac | Because it doesn't keep up with the madly rapid development of IRC protocol? |
| 12:38.54 | CissWit | Cullz___: if you like curses interface, weechat or irssi are probably best options. If you prefer simple gui, xchat is probably the best one. If you like fancy program with lot of stuff, go with kvirc |
| 12:39.29 | horrovac | But he's after a GUI client anyway, so I have to declare myself incompetent. |
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| 12:42.21 | filenox | what's not to love about LimeChat :) http://www.filenox.net/up/1428496896 |
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| 12:42.33 | filenox | (except it doesn't run on linux :p ) |
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| 12:42.53 | horrovac | Question answered. |
| 12:43.01 | filenox | haha |
| 12:43.29 | warbaque | tugrik: irssi 0.8.17 is rather new |
| 12:43.39 | AberHatschi | but nice feature with the mini pic in from the link |
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| 12:44.27 | tugrik | warbaque: yeah, just checked the release notes, I was thinking of the 2010-2013 period... but I moved from irssi to weechat and never looked back tbh |
| 12:45.06 | warbaque | weechat lacked some options that I were accustomed to so I never really tried it |
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| 12:45.28 | Cullz___ | thanks all - testing xchat and irssi for now |
| 12:45.59 | Cullz___ | if I wanted to be present on two networks at the same time, is this possible? |
| 12:46.07 | warbaque | yes |
| 12:46.16 | Cullz___ | (without running two instances of a program, or two programs etc) |
| 12:47.10 | horrovac | Both can do it. Use /connect with irssi, and then ctrl-x to switch between connected networks. |
| 12:47.19 | warbaque | Cullz___: for example I'm currently on 6 different networks |
| 12:47.20 | horrovac | (xchat I don't know) |
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| 12:49.33 | warbaque | and for irssi I find https://github.com/ronilaukkarinen/weed to be really good starting point for theme, config and scripts |
| 12:50.21 | AberHatschi | ctrl t and ctrl s in xchat |
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| 12:51.05 | jelly | Cullz___: xchat is not really maintained any more, hexchat has fixes for some annoying bugs |
| 12:51.18 | colo-work | hexchat is also awesome. |
| 12:51.32 | AberHatschi | jelly thank you for the info |
| 12:51.42 | Cullz___ | jelly: thanks |
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| 12:51.57 | jelly | (it also has some annoying new bugs, to even it out) |
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| 12:52.45 | AberHatschi | :O} |
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| 13:37.47 | Ownix | Hey guys, I found a neat little MOTD script for my Raspberry Pi 2 running Raspbian but I am having trouble getting it to run. the 'last' command which shows the last logins of a user is throwing an error on a '-' |
| 13:37.59 | Ownix | pi@raspberrypi ~/Scripts $ last pi --time-format iso | awk 'NR==2 { print $2,$3,$4 }' |
| 13:38.02 | Ownix | last: invalid option -- '-' |
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| 13:38.35 | trae32566[w] | make sure --time-format is valid |
| 13:39.12 | Ownix | I figured it has to be on '--time-format iso -2' (i forgot the -2 in the origional command above) but I dont think that --time-format is a valid option |
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| 13:39.28 | trae32566[w] | -h | grep time |
| 13:39.31 | Ownix | yeah trae32566[w] , maybe I can pipe output to a iso time formatter? does one exist? |
| 13:39.37 | trae32566[w] | no idea |
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| 13:39.41 | trae32566[w] | <- not a pi person |
| 13:39.48 | trae32566[w] | hell, I'm not even a debian person |
| 13:40.04 | __heisenbug | hi, i'm on Debian 3.2.65-1+deb7u2 x86_64 and need to install some 32 bit libraries. actually i am stuck with "libglib2.0-0:i386" - it couldn't find it^^. how should i do it? |
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| 13:40.13 | Haris | hello all |
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| 13:40.19 | Haris | what version is wheezy/sid ? |
| 13:40.24 | Haris | is it wheezy or sid ? |
| 13:40.25 | rozie | __heisenbug: multiarch |
| 13:40.33 | rozie | !multiarch |
| 13:40.34 | dpkg | Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch and <multiarch howto>, <multiarch failures>. For the unrelated installer that can install i386 or amd64, see <multi-arch installer>. |
| 13:40.44 | trae32566[w] | sid is unstable, wheezy is 7 AFAIK, google is your friend |
| 13:40.49 | Ownix | trae32566[w]: gotcha. -h doesnt seem to be a valid option for last |
| 13:41.00 | trae32566[w] | --help, or whatever the help flag is |
| 13:41.01 | Haris | cat /etc/debian_version says wheezy/sid. What version is running on it ? |
| 13:41.09 | __heisenbug | rozie, thanks i'll try it now |
| 13:41.17 | rozie | Haris: lsb_release ? |
| 13:41.17 | trae32566[w] | Haris: cat /etc/*release |
| 13:41.54 | Haris | l o l, its PRETTY_NAME="Ubuntu precise (12.04.4 LTS)" |
| 13:42.07 | Haris | No LSB modules are available. |
| 13:42.30 | Haris | how do ubuntu releases have wheezy/sid in /etc/debian_version, lol |
| 13:42.39 | trae32566[w] | because that's what they are :) |
| 13:42.53 | rozie | Haris: they always had |
| 13:42.54 | trae32566[w] | Ubuntu is a mix between stable and unstable |
| 13:42.58 | trae32566[w] | or used to be |
| 13:42.59 | Haris | hmm |
| 13:43.09 | trae32566[w] | before they broke compatability with Debian, because Ubuntu |
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| 13:44.01 | rozie | they put whatever they like in /etc/debian. report them a bug! |
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| 13:47.19 | Ooze | Soooo I ran memtest and it said everything was fine |
| 13:47.27 | Ooze | I think it's got to be overheating |
| 13:47.29 | Ooze | that HAS to be it |
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| 13:48.20 | Haris | thanks all |
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| 13:49.32 | __heisenbug | rozie, thanks dude. got 'em all now! =) |
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| 13:49.40 | Guest27774 | Hi, I am using Debian 8, iceweasel was ROOT, I found that because I saved a PDF from email, opened with Libreoffice and after saving it, was /root/Desktop, I did TOP in console and browser was ROOT, why? |
| 13:50.27 | horrovac | Because you logged in as root? |
| 13:50.30 | rozie | __heisenbug: np :-) |
| 13:50.49 | Guest27774 | horrovac: No, i didnt |
| 13:50.51 | Guest27774 | I am user |
| 13:51.10 | jelly | Guest27774: you managed to start the browser as root, no other way to do it |
| 13:51.14 | Guest27774 | I allways login as normal user, allways |
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| 13:51.21 | Guest27774 | jelly: I did not |
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| 13:51.38 | Guest27774 | jelly: there is anything in /root/.bash_history |
| 13:51.51 | Guest27774 | I clicked gnome shell dock iceweasel icon and it was ROOT |
| 13:51.53 | Guest27774 | I promise |
| 13:51.53 | SimonB__ | In a terminal please run "whoami", what does this return? |
| 13:51.56 | jelly | Guest27774: is the process still running? |
| 13:52.02 | Guest27774 | jelly: I closed |
| 13:52.12 | Guest27774 | I am getting paranoid now :( |
| 13:52.20 | horrovac | Well that helps troubleshooting immensely. |
| 13:52.30 | clearleapmatt | try your lastlog |
| 13:52.31 | Guest27774 | SimonB__: I am user.. promise |
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| 13:52.37 | jelly | Guest27774: if it's not running any more, it will be hard to figure out what started it. |
| 13:52.42 | horrovac | You started firefox from a root shell? |
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| 13:52.53 | Guest27774 | No, I didnt |
| 13:52.54 | clearleapmatt | or you can check /var/log/auth to make sure you didn't start it that way |
| 13:53.09 | jelly | Guest27774: ask again when it happens again. Until then I'm dismissing it as a probable user error. |
| 13:53.21 | jelly | !next |
| 13:53.21 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 13:53.22 | horrovac | Yeah pebkac. |
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| 13:53.31 | Guest27774 | jelly: but then why is not posible to see in /root/.bash_history |
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| 13:53.54 | horrovac | You see that only after the shell that started it exits. |
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| 13:54.23 | horrovac | If you have root shells around type history | grep firefox in there. |
| 13:54.31 | horrovac | If you get more than nothing, that's it. |
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| 13:55.14 | Guest27774 | root@debian-mahaigaina:/var/log# history | grep ice |
| 13:55.16 | Guest27774 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:55.18 | jelly | Guest27774: processes can be started via GUI. |
| 13:55.19 | Guest27774 | root@debian-mahaigaina:/var/log# history | grep firefox |
| 13:55.20 | Guest27774 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:55.23 | Guest27774 | root@debian-mahaigaina:/var/log# history | grep brow |
| 13:55.25 | Guest27774 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:55.30 | SimonB__ | Else what about trying: ls -l /usr/lib/iceweasel/iceweasel |cut -f1 -d" " |
| 13:55.31 | jelly | !paste |
| 13:55.31 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 13:55.33 | Guest27774 | jelly: but gnome is a normal user session |
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| 13:55.51 | kalken | hello! anybody know if its possible to get aptitude (or dpkg) to run a script after a certain package has been upgraded? eg i need to recompile my uwsgi-install everytime i get a new php-version... |
| 13:55.54 | jelly | Guest27774: I'm not going to guess further, sorry. |
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| 13:56.28 | Guest27774 | SimonB__: alberto@debian-mahaigaina:~$ ls -l /usr/lib/iceweasel/iceweasel |cut -f1 -d" " |
| 13:56.30 | Guest27774 | -rwxr-xr-x |
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| 13:57.31 | greycat | OK, since nobody in #debian could answer my jessie/systemd question, someone in #bash pointed me to an ArchLinux page: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Disable_clearing_of_boot_messages |
| 13:57.42 | horrovac | Guest27774: That ship has sailed. You have closed the program in question. One tip for security audits: don't overreact. If you think you have found something that has been rooted or hacked, closing it won't do jack. The damage is done, and you deprive yourself of posibilities for analysis. |
| 13:57.52 | jelly | kalken: man apt.conf, look at DPkg::Post-Invoke |
| 13:58.03 | greycat | But I'm wondering if the fact that I'm supposed to mkdir /etc/systemd/system/getty@tty1.service.d/ means this would only apply to tty1. I'd like it to apply to ALL gettys. |
| 13:58.08 | horrovac | Unless you manage to reproduce the state you had before, there's little anyone can say about it. |
| 13:58.11 | kalken | jelly: tnx for the pointer! ill have a look |
| 13:58.16 | greycat | I don't EVER want ANYTHING to clear the screen, unless I explicitly do it myself. |
| 13:58.32 | SimonB__ | Ok, so its not in history on any terminals, its not setUID, you're logged in as the user. Could always see if there is a stray root session by running: w |
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| 13:59.51 | Guest27774 | SimonB__: I feel unsecure... |
| 13:59.53 | horrovac | Wasn't there something with a PDF file mentioned? If you were looking at that as root and clicked a link in there, it might have started the browser. |
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| 14:01.17 | Guest27774 | horrovac: No, I opened a PDF file from web browser in libre office, and then changed it and saved it in desktop, then I tried to open it but desktop was empty.. Because it was saved in /root/Desktop, then I figured that to do that Libreoffice was root, and was root because browser was root, and I opened it as user :( |
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| 14:02.42 | Guest27774 | Indeed there is no iceweasel command in /home/user/.bash_history neither in /root/.bash_history |
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| 14:02.51 | Guest27774 | And I NEVER did login as root |
| 14:02.55 | Guest27774 | How is it posible? |
| 14:02.59 | horrovac | It isn'g. |
| 14:03.02 | horrovac | isn't. |
| 14:03.03 | Guest27774 | I installed Debian a week ago |
| 14:03.07 | Guest27774 | horrovac: it IS |
| 14:03.10 | Guest27774 | Happened |
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| 14:03.55 | Guest27774 | There is no gdm login as root in history |
| 14:04.09 | Guest27774 | no iceweasel in bash_history root/user |
| 14:04.19 | horrovac | That's what you think happened. I'm not convinced. You need to reproduce this, anything else is just guesswork. |
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| 14:04.25 | einyx | cosmic waves? |
| 14:04.38 | dondelelcaro | Guest27774: not everything that you run will be in the bash_history. |
| 14:04.57 | Guest27774 | einyx: a fail in debian? |
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| 14:05.01 | Guest27774 | einyx: a bug? |
| 14:05.05 | dondelelcaro | Guest27774: and if you were actually running iceweasel as root, you'll have a ~root/.mozilla/iceweasel directory |
| 14:05.16 | dondelelcaro | Guest27774: no, this is almost certainly not a bug. |
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| 14:05.37 | Guest27774 | dondelelcaro: yes I have |
| 14:05.48 | Guest27774 | dondelelcaro: can I obtain some information from there? |
| 14:05.50 | dondelelcaro | Guest27774: so you ran iceweasel as root, and saved something as root. |
| 14:06.07 | Guest27774 | Guest28656: I never run iceweasel in console |
| 14:06.13 | Guest27774 | allways click dock |
| 14:06.14 | jelly | Guest27774: next time it happens, look at the process list and examine which processes are parents of your root-run browser |
| 14:06.22 | horrovac | You can check the timestamps of the files in there. |
| 14:06.36 | dondelelcaro | Guest27774: if you're logged in as your user, iceweasel won't be running as root. |
| 14:06.42 | horrovac | But that will just tell you when you ran the browser as root, not how. |
| 14:06.53 | jelly | Guest27774: "pstree -Aup" output might be of use |
| 14:06.55 | dondelelcaro | Guest27774: unless you start it using sux or similar. |
| 14:07.06 | Guest27774 | dondelelcaro: yesterday was created the path |
| 14:07.21 | Guest27774 | /root/.mozilla yesterday here 23 night |
| 14:07.28 | jelly | who knows, Gnome 3 might have a right click "run as Admin" feature |
| 14:07.32 | Guest27774 | can I past 2 lines? |
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| 14:07.36 | jelly | !paste |
| 14:07.37 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 14:07.50 | dondelelcaro | jelly: yeah, could be |
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| 14:08.00 | horrovac | Or some sudo screwup. |
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| 14:08.08 | Guest27774 | jelly: If I look now there is no opion |
| 14:08.23 | Guest27774 | horrovac: I have no sudo installed |
| 14:08.34 | Guest27774 | I have a debian 8 as it comes |
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| 14:09.00 | greycat | become root, install sudo, exit root shell |
| 14:09.06 | Guest27774 | dondelelcaro: what is sux? |
| 14:09.11 | jelly | Guest27774: pastebin the output of "pstree -Au" and also "pstree -Aup" |
| 14:09.21 | dondelelcaro | !sux |
| 14:09.21 | dpkg | sux is a utility for running X apps as a different user. "aptitude install sux" and documentation at http://fgouget.free.fr/sux/ . Also ask me about <root x> for other alternatives. Sux is also the way some people spell sucks and usually implies that they don't know what they are talking about; ask me about <u>. |
| 14:09.37 | themill | (sux isn't in debian any more) |
| 14:09.39 | Guest27774 | is not installed |
| 14:09.54 | horrovac | Well if you hadn't closed it and were able to show that the PPID of the root-browser is is owned by your normal user, you'd be able to talk about a bug. |
| 14:10.04 | horrovac | Why the hell'd you close the bloody thing? |
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| 14:13.24 | horrovac | IF ever anyone manages to run anything as root on your machine, closing that program is the worst you can do. Does nothing. Takes a second to install a rootkit. |
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| 14:16.51 | greycat | OK, for whatever it's worth, I can confirm that the instructions on https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Disable_clearing_of_boot_messages also work on Jessie to stop the stupid screen-clearing after boot, before login. |
| 14:17.29 | greycat | They also work after login/logout on tty1. However, as I guessed, they do NOT work on tty2. |
| 14:17.57 | greycat | Am I **REALLY** supposed to create an entire **DIRECTORY** for **EVERY INDIVIDUAL GETTY**? |
| 14:17.58 | jelly | I have stupid screen clearing with sysvinit on wheezy so it's not a regression |
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| 14:18.10 | Guest27774 | I know what is |
| 14:18.14 | Guest27774 | I am excited XD |
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| 14:18.24 | greycat | In wheezy, you edit /etc/inittab and add --noclear to each getty, then run telinit q |
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| 14:18.47 | greycat | See how fucking SIMPLE that is! You can explain it in one line! You can REMEMBER every filename involved! |
| 14:18.54 | greycat | I didn't even have to look anything up! |
| 14:19.04 | Guest27774 | Yesterday I launched SYNAPTIC pakete kudatzailea so then I cliked in some game URLs and opened Iceweasel as user... |
| 14:19.07 | jelly | greycat: how is editing 6 lines different from mkdiring 6 directories? |
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| 14:19.22 | Guest27774 | Not from dock not from console as root!!! |
| 14:19.31 | greycat | You don't see a difference between editing 6 lines in one file, vs. creating 6 new directories and 6 new files? |
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| 14:19.40 | Guest27774 | jelly: is it posible, isnt it? |
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| 14:20.06 | jelly | greycat: I'm used to djb daemontools, where touching files for configuration is common. |
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| 14:20.55 | Guest27774 | jelly: |
| 14:21.22 | Guest27774 | 14965 root 20 0 413552 123788 61456 S 0,3 3,0 0:04.74 x-www-browser |
| 14:21.22 | greycat | I love daemontools too! At least then you wrote the scripts, and you can see how they work, and they are there, so you can edit them. This systemd TTYVTDisallocate bullshit is something completely foreign. There is no file with that in it. You have to copy it from an external web page. |
| 14:21.22 | Guest27774 | That is!!! |
| 14:21.22 | Guest27774 | dondelelcaro: can you see? |
| 14:21.22 | greycat | Disallocate isn't even a real word |
| 14:21.27 | Guest27774 | jelly: dondelelcaro : is not a risk to launch synaptic as root and then browser as root? |
| 14:21.51 | Guest27774 | jelly: dondelelcaro : should not debian launch as user and then take password for installing or uninstalling ? |
| 14:22.04 | jelly | Guest27774: I don't use synaptic at all, no idea what risks it might take. |
| 14:22.12 | Guest27774 | feels sure now |
| 14:22.13 | Guest27774 | xd |
| 14:22.43 | Guest27774 | jelly: but I didnt launch iceweasel as root neither login as root I was not the mad :D |
| 14:22.58 | Guest27774 | jelly: any of us thought in synaptic --> URL --> browser |
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| 14:23.10 | Guest27774 | jelly: I was getting mad XD |
| 14:23.24 | greycat | OK, I made /etc/systemd/system/getty@tty2.service.d/ and copied the noclear.conf file from ...@tty1... into ...@tty2... and it doesn't work. |
| 14:23.31 | Guest27774 | anyway you are kind jelly , you tried to help |
| 14:23.37 | greycat | Logging in and out of tty2 still clears the screen. What did I miss? |
| 14:23.49 | Guest27774 | all of you troed to help. so thanks |
| 14:24.19 | Guest27774 | horrovac: was synaptic --> game URL --> browser as root |
| 14:24.22 | Guest27774 | :D |
| 14:24.57 | Guest27774 | I remember that I launched it at that hour (thanks for telling me to look at time in root/.mozilla) |
| 14:25.13 | Guest27774 | I reproduced and, yes, browser is root |
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| 14:25.49 | greycat | Shall I try rebooting? Maybe systemd only reads those ...@tty*... directories at boot time? |
| 14:25.57 | Guest27774 | synaptic should be user |
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| 14:27.38 | greycat | Yes, rebooting worked. |
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| 14:30.09 | jelly | greycat: there's probably a systemctl service-reload-something-or-other |
| 14:30.16 | jelly | is very helpful |
| 14:31.19 | jelly | systemctl daemon-reload, apparently |
| 14:31.22 | greycat | So in order to fix jessie's stupid systemd default screen-clearing, you have to create one directory and one file for every getty (by default systemd only makes 2, not 6), then god knows what... |
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| 14:36.45 | themill | wonders if greycat noticed that the default .bash_logout also clears the console |
| 14:37.02 | greycat | I checked that. Mine only has one comment line in it, and no live code. |
| 14:37.34 | greycat | If that were the case, the first mkdir; vi on ...tty1... would have failed. |
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| 14:38.04 | themill | You were asking about boot messages then. No-one has logged out for boot messages. |
| 14:38.12 | thomasfuston | Aloha, i recently switched from arch to debian started to build the same lightweight environment, pekwm tint2 etc, Now if i plug in an external display and want to set it to 1680 to 1050 screen resolution its just stays black. (but it worked earlier with arch) any ideas? |
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| 14:40.11 | abrotman | xrandr any help? |
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| 14:41.09 | thomasfuston | abrotman: well i am using arandr gui tool ffor setting it, its working in lower resolutions 1440x900 etc. But for some reason it wont work anymore in 1680x1050 |
| 14:41.10 | greycat | Oh god, I am so confused now... how many fucking gettys are there in jessie? Last time I looked, there were 2 gettys and my X session was on Ctrl-Alt-F3. Now there are gettys all the way to 6, but somehow my X session is on Ctrl-Alt-F2 in the middle of them! |
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| 14:41.59 | abrotman | thomasfuston: you might need to let us know what your video card is also |
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| 14:42.23 | themill | greycat: gettys are dynamically allocated |
| 14:42.55 | mjt | greycat: gettys are started by systemd only when you switch to a vt and type something |
| 14:43.00 | greycat | Then how do I make the --noclear equivalent (which is apparently TTYVTDisallocate=no) happen on every getty? |
| 14:43.27 | thomasfuston | abrotman: VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Wrestler [Radeon HD 6310] [1002:9803] |
| 14:43.43 | thomasfuston | nothing fency its an older notebook |
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| 14:46.28 | thomasfuston | I just dont know where to start couse its worked before and now it dont, just dont know where to start searching a solution |
| 14:47.02 | thomasfuston | using the open ati drivers on both setups |
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| 14:49.57 | greycat | Waaaaait, what the hell. http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.exec.html says TTYVTDisallocate defaults to no! |
| 14:50.22 | greycat | If that's the case, why can't I find something somewhere that's overriding it to yes> |
| 14:50.39 | greycat | wooledg@wooledg:/usr/lib/systemd$ grep -r TTYVTDisallocate . |
| 14:50.39 | greycat | wooledg@wooledg:/usr/lib/systemd$ |
| 14:51.04 | greycat | And the only occurrences in /etc/systemd/ are the two I just created, both setting it to no. |
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| 14:51.24 | abrotman | wonders if that documentation could differ from the Debian default .. |
| 14:52.29 | greycat | Debian jessie man page systemd.exec(5) says the same thing. Defaults to "no". |
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| 15:02.34 | SAKUJ0 | help! if i export those shares via NFS, plymouth and systemd complain! http://paste.debian.net/165753/ |
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| 15:02.50 | SAKUJ0 | i probably did something stupid in /etc/exports (the pastebin) |
| 15:02.53 | thomasfuston | I repeat it one time: I installed debian minimal, a lighweight wm setup on my laptop. Now i plugged in an external Display and using arandr to set it to its best resolution (1680x1050) but then its just stays black, while its working on lower resolutions. (it worked for a year on arch with the same setup) My videocard is Radion HD 6310. |
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| 15:03.25 | SAKUJ0 | i tried to read the man and it was easy setting up one share per folder. but once i tried making it more complicated, i had to mess around until it worked |
| 15:03.32 | SAKUJ0 | but it does not seem to survive a reboot i believe |
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| 15:06.32 | zepard | hi |
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| 15:08.01 | zepard | docker.io removed from jessie. will it be reintroduced for final release? is there a temporary backport solution to install it on jessie right now? |
| 15:08.55 | dondelelcaro | zepard: you can manually backport it. I suspect that there will also be a backport to jessie itself |
| 15:09.55 | zepard | dondelelcaro: a backport once released :/ |
| 15:11.24 | dondelelcaro | zepard: yeah |
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| 15:12.50 | zepard | dondelelcaro: ok, what do yo mean by manual backport? |
| 15:13.09 | zepard | create my own package? |
| 15:13.18 | greycat | Yeah. /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 15:13.23 | zepard | is not familiar with backports |
| 15:13.53 | greycat | For packages with no post-your-distro dependencies, it's pretty easy. |
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| 15:16.44 | zepard | okok |
| 15:17.31 | zepard | for info only, the 25th still stays due date? |
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| 15:20.15 | zepard | arf https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?archive=no&bug=781865 |
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| 15:23.43 | thomasfuston | I plugged in an external Display to my laptop, but if i set it to highest resolution it just stays black, using Ati radeon HD 6310 and vga output. |
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| 15:35.14 | Voyage_ | what is the licens of debian and all linux apps? gpl? |
| 15:35.45 | centrx | Licenses vary |
| 15:35.49 | greycat | Packages in the "main" Debian repository have a variety of licenses, all of which must satisfy the DFSG. |
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| 15:36.11 | greycat | A package whose license doesn't satisfy the DFSG has to be in contrib or non-free instead. |
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| 15:36.30 | centrx | Voyage_, This would be the "Debian license" - https://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
| 15:36.35 | Voyage_ | isnt there ONE license for debain OS? |
| 15:36.38 | greycat | no |
| 15:36.48 | wfq | Hi all |
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| 15:37.02 | centrx | Voyage_, The actual licenses are specific, but they must mean those guidelines |
| 15:37.09 | greycat | meet* |
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| 15:37.28 | centrx | my secretary went to lunch |
| 15:37.31 | NoImNotNineVolt | "The GPL, BSD, and Artistic licenses are examples of licenses that we consider free." |
| 15:37.45 | Voyage_ | after how much time does debain gives a release? |
| 15:37.52 | greycat | When It's Ready |
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| 15:38.14 | greycat | typically 2-3 years between major releases, with "point releases" gathering up security patches and the like every couple months |
| 15:38.26 | Voyage_ | can anyone just copy debian or ubuntu os, make some customizations on top of it, sell it with its own license? |
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| 15:38.45 | NoImNotNineVolt | not legally, no. |
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| 15:38.45 | greycat | You can't violate the licenses of the packages you are redistributing. |
| 15:38.46 | jelly | Voyage_: you can sell it, but you must obey existing licenses. |
| 15:38.57 | horrovac | Voyage_: Why don't you research on it instead of asking? |
| 15:38.59 | NoImNotNineVolt | the license would have to be GPL-compatible. |
| 15:39.16 | Majikthise | Voyage_: most of the software in the OS is GPLed, so no, not really |
| 15:39.30 | NoImNotNineVolt | that is, it would have to guarantee access to source code, allow for redistribution in a way that continues to guarantee access to the source code, etc. |
| 15:39.31 | horrovac | You can sell it. But not change the Licence. |
| 15:39.37 | greycat | You can sell GPL'ed software, as long as you make the offers of source code, etc. |
| 15:39.49 | jelly | NoImNotNineVolt: the additions needn't be GPL-compatible, they merely have to follow DFSG and not step on other licenses |
| 15:40.02 | horrovac | In fact I'm right now selling an excellent copy of Debian OS. I can sell it to you for 3000⬠if you're interested. |
| 15:40.03 | illy | hi i need to install fsck for my news.tcl |
| 15:40.03 | illy | # - fsck 1.10+ package (available at http://perplexa.ugug.co.uk) |
| 15:40.13 | NoImNotNineVolt | greycat: in theory, yes. but there's nothing stopping the first licensee from redistributing it for free, thereby undercutting you, and effectively preventing further sales. |
| 15:40.18 | greycat | quite. |
| 15:40.21 | illy | hwo would i get fsck? excluding the website (since it not working) |
| 15:40.34 | illy | and no its not the linux fsck its something else just named the same as THE fsck |
| 15:40.45 | NoImNotNineVolt | jelly: i didn't mean the additions, i meant the GPL-encumbered parts of debian. i should've been more clear. |
| 15:41.01 | Voyage_ | jelly, and Majikthise you speak opposit to each other |
| 15:41.11 | jelly | illy: if it's something that used to be available at that address, try to find it in historical archives at archive.org |
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| 15:41.17 | jelly | illy: http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://perplexa.ugug.co.uk/ |
| 15:41.21 | Voyage_ | Majikthise, I guess, I would have to agree with Majikthise as you can NOT sell a GPL. can you? |
| 15:41.32 | greycat | I can't even parse "need to install fsck for my news.tcl" |
| 15:41.36 | NoImNotNineVolt | you can sell GPL software in theory, yes. |
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| 15:41.43 | greycat | news.tcl sounds like a Tcl script to me |
| 15:41.50 | horrovac | I CAN sell GPL software. |
| 15:41.54 | NoImNotNineVolt | in practice, it's unlikely that more than one person will buy (license) it. |
| 15:41.57 | horrovac | I OWN GPL Software. |
| 15:41.58 | horrovac | It's mine. |
| 15:42.09 | jelly | NoImNotNineVolt: RH has a successful business model around selling prebuilt GPL software. |
| 15:42.10 | greycat | If you wrote it, then that's correct. |
| 15:42.17 | NoImNotNineVolt | jelly: i thought they sold support contracts. |
| 15:42.25 | horrovac | No, I own it. |
| 15:42.31 | NoImNotNineVolt | and really, software isn't bought or sold. it's licensed. |
| 15:42.37 | jelly | NoImNotNineVolt: the contracts also provide access to binary .rpms |
| 15:42.43 | horrovac | So do you. That's the thing with free software. You own it. |
| 15:42.53 | NoImNotNineVolt | you own the copyrights? |
| 15:42.56 | greycat | If you have received a licensed copy of a GPL program that you did not write, then no, you do not "own" it. You have a license to use it and redistribute it under specific conditions. |
| 15:43.02 | NoImNotNineVolt | that's what it means to own software. to own the copyrights. |
| 15:43.05 | wfq | Let's suppose that you have two cronjobs. One runs every 5 minute and the other one every 1 hour. Both are completely separate scripts in the same that they do not feed each other. When both scripts coincide on the hour what is the Cron doing? Is it creating two different process that run and die independently? |
| 15:43.10 | horrovac | No I own the software. Copyright is owned by the copyright holder. |
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| 15:43.24 | NoImNotNineVolt | horrovac: you failed law school. |
| 15:43.29 | horrovac | The licence gives me the ownership of the software. The binaries, the source. |
| 15:43.30 | Voyage_ | Majikthise, I guess, I would have to agree with Majikthise as you can NOT sell a GPL. can you? |
| 15:43.33 | greycat | If the author transferred the copyright to you, then you are the current copyrigh holder. |
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| 15:43.46 | wfq | In short they are jjust two different processes that happen to run at the same time, don't they? |
| 15:44.01 | Majikthise | Voyage_: you can sell it if you like, but you have to provide source code for free if somebody asks you. |
| 15:44.03 | illy | jelly: thanks but i asked on the wrong channel LOL |
| 15:44.09 | horrovac | No you people have a strange notion of ownership. |
| 15:44.14 | horrovac | As something exclusive. |
| 15:44.18 | greycat | wfq: just two things launched at about the same time. |
| 15:44.23 | NoImNotNineVolt | Voyage_: your question is ambiguously worded. if you own the copyright to software that has been licensed under the GPL, you can sell that copyright to anyone you want. |
| 15:44.32 | greycat | I don't even think there's a guarantee that they fire in a specific order. |
| 15:44.33 | horrovac | I own the Debian project. Because it's free licence. But not exclusively. |
| 15:44.40 | Majikthise | in practice, people rarely bother selling stuff that's purely GPL. They usually add other proprietary stuff on top. |
| 15:44.42 | centrx | I own you |
| 15:44.48 | greycat | horrovac: you're full of shit. Please stop misinforming the channel. |
| 15:44.56 | Majikthise | or they sell services related to the product |
| 15:44.58 | horrovac | What's misinformation? |
| 15:45.10 | greycat | False statements. LIke everything you are saying. |
| 15:45.11 | NoImNotNineVolt | horrovac: i have a notion that is consistent with copyright law in the US. if you find copyright law to be strange, i'll agree with you. but that doesn't mean copyright law doesn't exist. |
| 15:45.17 | wfq | greycat thanks. Sure there isn't a warranty that one will run before the another one but this isn't a problem for me. If that was the case I would control it by code |
| 15:45.30 | horrovac | I'm not talking about the copyright. |
| 15:45.33 | NoImNotNineVolt | horrovac is stating personal opinions that aren't in line with copyright law. |
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| 15:45.50 | centrx | They're not in line with plain English either for the word "own" |
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| 15:45.53 | greycat | Certainly not in line with US law. I can't speak for other countries. |
| 15:45.57 | horrovac | I'm fucking not. That's what the GPL is about damn it. |
| 15:45.57 | NoImNotNineVolt | which is fine, but it's important to understand that personal opinions don't really hold up in court. |
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| 15:46.07 | greycat | horrovac: no, you are simply wrong. |
| 15:46.09 | jelly | illy: at least you made me find http://perplexa.ugug.org/ |
| 15:46.13 | horrovac | No I aint. |
| 15:46.18 | greycat | Read the GPL. |
| 15:46.21 | centrx | horrovac, Do you own Shakespeare's works because it's in the public domain? |
| 15:46.26 | horrovac | You CAN sell GPL software, if anyone would buy it. |
| 15:46.32 | centrx | horrovac, Or because you have some pieces of paper with it? |
| 15:46.32 | greycat | Yes, you can sell it. |
| 15:46.37 | NoImNotNineVolt | "sell"? |
| 15:46.42 | greycat | Selling is one of the actions permitted under the GPL. |
| 15:46.52 | horrovac | If the licence allows it, yes, I do own it. |
| 15:46.57 | greycat | *no* |
| 15:47.00 | horrovac | Public domain means I own it. |
| 15:47.02 | centrx | If you owned it, you could sell it without providing the source |
| 15:47.04 | greycat | *no* |
| 15:47.04 | NoImNotNineVolt | you're butchering the language that we all use. |
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| 15:47.25 | horrovac | This can't be so difficult to understand. |
| 15:47.26 | NoImNotNineVolt | if you want to fork the english language, feel free. but it might lead to degraded communication with others. |
| 15:47.40 | NoImNotNineVolt | horrovac: you're alone in your understand of the words that you're using. |
| 15:47.45 | NoImNotNineVolt | s/understand/understanding/ |
| 15:47.49 | centrx | *yore |
| 15:47.50 | greycat | The GPL does not confer OWNERSHIP of the software to its users. It just confers the RIGHTS TO USE the software. |
| 15:47.58 | NoImNotNineVolt | well said. |
| 15:47.58 | dondelelcaro | you're conflating ownership with possession of a copy and possession of the copyright |
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| 15:48.13 | horrovac | Not ownership of the COPYRIGHT. |
| 15:48.17 | dondelelcaro | if you define ownership is the former, then sure. as the latter, no. |
| 15:48.33 | centrx | horrovac, Do you own the air you breathe? or the whole atmosphere? |
| 15:48.34 | horrovac | you own your copy of the software. |
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| 15:48.42 | greycat | ... sort of. |
| 15:48.44 | dondelelcaro | this is why definitions of words are complicated, and communication is hard |
| 15:48.44 | jelly | please argue semantics in #debian-offtopic (or nowhere), but try to keep this channel for tech support mkay |
| 15:48.52 | greycat | This is why lawyers get paid so much. |
| 15:48.53 | NoImNotNineVolt | what does "your copy of the software" consist of? |
| 15:49.01 | NoImNotNineVolt | the magnetic platters on which it is encoded? |
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| 15:49.10 | NoImNotNineVolt | if so, then yes, you own those platters. |
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| 15:49.16 | centrx | DRM magnets |
| 15:49.33 | Kuba | hey :) |
| 15:49.44 | NoImNotNineVolt | is it the abstract sequence of bits that represent said software? then no, the copyright owner owns that. |
| 15:49.55 | centrx | !ask |
| 15:49.55 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 15:50.21 | horrovac | We've been told to shut the fuck up about the semantics, and I intend to. Read and understand the GPL. Ownership does not imply exclusiveness. We're all co-owners. |
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| 15:50.51 | Kuba | "apt-get install -t wheezy-backports qemu-system-x86" wants to remove selinux-policy-default... any thoughts? |
| 15:51.03 | welpo | Hey. I would like to set up Vim as my default editor for this user (I don't have sudo access), as seen here: https://www.debian-administration.org/article/91/Using_the_Debian_alternatives_system I tried adding the line editor=path/to/my/vim on my .profile but when I do "crontab -e" it still opens nano. |
| 15:51.19 | nkuttler | welpo: it's EDITOR |
| 15:51.19 | greycat | EDITOR must be capitalized |
| 15:51.28 | horrovac | welpo: and you need to export it |
| 15:51.42 | horrovac | EDITOR=/bin/blah |
| 15:51.50 | horrovac | then export EDITOR |
| 15:51.58 | greycat | or simply export EDITOR=vim |
| 15:51.58 | jelly | also, update-alternatives --config editor ? |
| 15:52.04 | horrovac | Or export EDITOR=/foo/bar |
| 15:52.14 | horrovac | jelly: he ain't root |
| 15:52.37 | jelly | ah |
| 15:52.44 | welpo | Thank you all, I tried lowercase since caps weren't working, but I guess adding it to .profile wasn't enough and I had to export it |
| 15:53.15 | horrovac | welpo: you can do the export thing on a terminal and it will immediatelly take effect on that terminal. |
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| 15:53.46 | horrovac | type that and then run crontab, hey presto. |
| 15:54.08 | horrovac | In fact what .profile does is in essence automatically running these commands for you when you start a terminal. |
| 15:54.13 | jelly | if you use bash as your login shell, it might not be reading ~/.profile at all if any of ~/.bash_profile, ~/.bash_login exist |
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| 15:54.39 | welpo | It looks like it's not reading .profile, you're right. Since after closing and opening the console the env had changed back |
| 15:54.41 | jelly | (as per INVOCATION section of bash manual) |
| 15:54.44 | greycat | if you login with a GUI, it will also probably not read .profile |
| 15:54.55 | horrovac | I never remember which one it is. .bashrc, .profile, .bashrc_this .bashrc_that... |
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| 15:55.24 | welpo | greycat: Is Xshell considered a GUI? |
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| 15:55.53 | welpo | I don't have ~/.bash_profile nor ~/.bash_login I do have bashrc, bashrc2 (and logout, history and aliases) |
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| 15:56.15 | greycat | I have no clue what Xshell is. |
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| 15:56.22 | greycat | Is it gdm, xdm, kdm, etc.? |
| 15:56.41 | jelly | welpo: "bashrc" also won't do much, did you mean ".bashrc" |
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| 15:56.50 | c0m0 | what is set -o nounset in bash? |
| 15:56.57 | welpo | Yes, I meant a dot in front of all of those |
| 15:57.01 | Majikthise | welpo: xshell is an SSH client so it's not considered a GUI in this context, no |
| 15:57.02 | greycat | c0m0: it's the same as set -u |
| 15:57.10 | welpo | Thanks, Majikthise |
| 15:57.33 | greycat | Ah. If you're logging in over ssh, then .profile or .bash_profile or .bash_login should work. |
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| 15:57.53 | greycat | (Pick one. Don't have more than one of those.) |
| 15:58.08 | welpo | Looks like .profile isn't working and I don't have any of the others |
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| 15:58.20 | greycat | How do you know it's not working? |
| 15:58.27 | c0m0 | greycat: is used for? |
| 15:58.32 | greycat | Are you even sure your login shell on this system is bash? |
| 15:58.48 | Voyage_ | Majikthise, NoImNotNineVolt I mean if I used an opensource CRM app made in php but licensed as AGPL, I customize it, host it and give a SAAS based service only, will i need to disclose the code of it then? "Network Use is Distribution Users who interact with the software via network are given the right to receive a copy of the corresponding source code." http://choosealicense.com/licenses/" |
| 15:58.51 | greycat | c0m0: Is used for breaking scripts. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/112 |
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| 15:59.37 | welpo | The last line of my .profile reads "EDITOR=~/bin/vim" and when I do "crontab -e" it will open it with nano. When I exported the EDITOR through a command (not .profile) it opened through vim (but it stopped behaving this way as soon as I restarted the SSH session) |
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| 16:00.06 | greycat | welpo: you need to put export inside the .profile |
| 16:00.09 | NoImNotNineVolt | Voyage_: these questions are best referred to the good folks over in #gnu |
| 16:00.09 | welpo | Should it be "export EDITOR=~/bin/vim"? |
| 16:00.14 | greycat | change the last line to export EDITOR=~/bin/vim |
| 16:00.19 | Voyage_ | NoImNotNineVolt, oh ok |
| 16:00.21 | Voyage_ | thanks |
| 16:00.22 | NoImNotNineVolt | Voyage_: but beware, their views may be biased. |
| 16:00.46 | NoImNotNineVolt | in the end, if you want real answers, you'll have to pay for a real lawyer. |
| 16:00.48 | Voyage_ | hm |
| 16:00.52 | greycat | (even better would be export EDITOR="$HOME/bin/vim" but that's getting a little pedantic for #debian) |
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| 16:01.32 | c0m0 | greycat: thanks, it's works |
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| 16:03.12 | welpo | Thank you, greycat. It works now |
| 16:03.25 | welpo | I'm curious, what's the difference between using ~/ and $HOME ? |
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| 16:04.16 | horrovac | welpo: none effectively, they both mean your home directory. The tilde is a sort of shorthand. |
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| 16:04.34 | horrovac | In scripts I'd use $HOME for readability. For typing, use ~ |
| 16:04.49 | greycat | .profile can be read by other shells than bash. In some of those shells, the ~ will not be expanded in that context. |
| 16:05.02 | horrovac | greycat: can it? |
| 16:05.05 | welpo | I see. |
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| 16:05.24 | greycat | ~$ dash -c 'export foo=~/bin; echo "$foo"' |
| 16:05.28 | greycat | ~/bin |
| 16:05.29 | apt | i heard /bin is not on my path |
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| 16:05.41 | NoImNotNineVolt | from whom? |
| 16:05.47 | greycat | ignore the bot. |
| 16:05.50 | jelly | apt: be quiet |
| 16:05.50 | apt | Ah, shuddup. |
| 16:06.09 | NoImNotNineVolt | lol, didn't realize that was a bot :P |
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| 16:06.31 | horrovac | I thought you were a bot. |
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| 16:06.48 | greycat | So, if your .profile could conceivable be read by dash, then you'd need export EDITOR="$HOME/bin/vim" to be safe. |
| 16:07.02 | horrovac | Yes. It's also more readable. |
| 16:07.28 | horrovac | To be Ãber-correct use ${HOME} |
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| 16:07.33 | greycat | No. |
| 16:07.44 | greycat | That's unnecessary and adds nothing but gentoo-looking-ness. |
| 16:07.54 | horrovac | It' the same but it protects the variable from mixups. |
| 16:08.08 | greycat | It makes you look like you don't know how to write scripts. |
| 16:08.27 | horrovac | I don't really care about that :) |
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| 16:09.12 | bazhang | apt took over as channel bot from dpkg ? |
| 16:09.16 | horrovac | The brackets delimit the variable name. If you need to concatenate strings and variables, using brackets is good practice. |
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| 16:09.47 | bazhang | ,v apt-get |
| 16:09.48 | judd | No package named 'apt-get' was found in i386. |
| 16:09.49 | NoImNotNineVolt | i prefer lots of curlybraces, personally. then you can "${HOME}whatever". |
| 16:09.53 | greycat | We call them curly-braces in my country, and yes, you need them to disambiguate ${foo}bar but that is not the case in this .profile. |
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| 16:10.37 | jelly | bazhang: the other way round, about a decade ago |
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| 16:11.42 | horrovac | It's not required here, no. But it's generally a good practice to do so. I've troubleshooted too much bash already. |
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| 16:12.16 | greycat | It's so exceedingly rare that you would ever need it, that I can't justify using it in the other 99.9% of cases. |
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| 16:12.34 | horrovac | If it makes me look noobish in anyone's eyes, so be it. I'm secure enough at my profession not to care. :) |
| 16:13.07 | NoImNotNineVolt | i'm very noobish when it comes to shell scripting, so my preferences are based on ignorance. |
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| 16:13.30 | NoImNotNineVolt | that being said, perl beats bash. |
| 16:14.00 | horrovac | I've debugged too much bash already, about 3 lifetimes' worth. If I have the time I'll type the braces even if they're pointless. And I usually have time. |
| 16:14.32 | horrovac | Perl's nicer, yes, if you have the option. |
| 16:15.20 | NoImNotNineVolt | i can't think of many distributions that don't include it by default. |
| 16:15.23 | NoImNotNineVolt | i guess freebsd? |
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| 16:19.30 | pipl | NoImNotNineVolt: true for freebsd |
| 16:21.15 | peterrooney | You just try having perl as your login shell. |
| 16:21.43 | pipl | peterrooney: is that possible ? |
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| 16:22.06 | peterrooney | pipl: you'll regret it |
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| 16:23.28 | pipl | peterrooney: I bet you are right. |
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| 16:31.40 | bazhang | ,v sudo |
| 16:31.42 | judd | Package: sudo on i386 -- squeeze: 1.7.4p4-2.squeeze.4; squeeze-security: 1.7.4p4-2.squeeze.4; squeeze-security-lts: 1.7.4p4-2.squeeze.5; squeeze-backports: 1.8.5p2-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1.8.5p2-1+nmu1; wheezy-security: 1.8.5p2-1+nmu2; wheezy-proposed-updates: 1.8.5p2-1+nmu2; jessie-proposed-updates: 1.8.10p3-1+deb8u2; jessie: 1.8.10p3-1+deb8u2; sid: 1.8.12-1 |
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| 16:32.05 | bazhang | is dpkg bot on vacation |
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| 16:32.50 | greycat | dpkg, hi |
| 16:32.50 | dpkg | salut |
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| 16:35.33 | crippledmonk | finally bit the bullet and dumped my based on distro and am loving jessie rc2. Did no desktop setup then added xorg a couple other things and i3. |
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| 16:39.03 | bazhang | dpkg HURD |
| 16:39.04 | dpkg | GNU Hurd (<HIRD> of Unix-Replacing Daemons) is a POSIX-compatible collection of servers which run on the Mach microkernel. It is the GNU project's replacement for the Unix kernel. http://hurd.gnu.org/ #hurd on irc.freenode.net. For the Debian GNU/Hurd port (not an official Debian release), see http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/ and http://bits.debian.org/2013/05/debian-gnu-hurd-wheezy.html #debian-hurd on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 16:41.11 | pipl | a million years "project" |
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| 16:42.20 | nerdistmonk | hey they only been working on hurd since 1984....big deal. |
| 16:42.44 | jelly | many monks in here |
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| 16:44.03 | nerdistmonk | 1600 people in this room, im sure there is. |
| 16:44.05 | nerdistmonk | lol |
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| 17:08.07 | kRush | how come a tcp connection in close_wait state doesn't have a timer associated? |
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| 17:09.54 | kRush | also, great section in the netstat man page about timers... |
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| 17:11.58 | jnewt | running wheezy on armf. missing glibc_2.17 and glibc_2.15, required in libc.so.6 i don't know how to get an updated version. |
| 17:12.45 | centrx | That sounds like you're not really running wheezy |
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| 17:14.12 | jnewt | VERSION="7 (wheezy)", so i'd say i'm really running wheezy |
| 17:14.55 | centrx | jnewt, wheezy comes with libc6 version 2.13 and all packages in wheezy use that version |
| 17:15.00 | greycat | ,versions libc6 |
| 17:15.01 | judd | Package: libc6 on i386 -- squeeze: 2.11.3-4; squeeze-security-lts: 2.11.3-4+deb6u5; wheezy: 2.13-38+deb7u6; wheezy-proposed-updates: 2.13-38+deb7u8; wheezy-security: 2.13-38+deb7u8; sid: 2.19-17; jessie: 2.19-17; experimental: 2.21-0experimental0 |
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| 17:15.23 | greycat | If you need a newer libc6 than wheezy has, you'll have to upgrade to jessie/testing. |
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| 17:15.45 | sifeic` | N |
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| 17:18.14 | Intensity | Hi. I'm having a great deal of difficulty persistently adding /dev/loopX for X >= 8 on Debian 7. My /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-cd.rules has entries like: KERNEL=="loop10", NAME="loop/%n", SYMLINK+="%k", ENV{GENERATED}="1" |
| 17:18.23 | Intensity | Is this the right file to modify? Do I need the GENERATED flag? No matter what I've written so far into that file I'm still left with only 8 loop entries in /dev |
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| 17:19.05 | horrovac | Why would you need so many loop devices? |
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| 17:19.33 | Intensity | horrovac: I'm looking for more than 8. My question is about the process of adding it and why that's failing. |
| 17:19.51 | horrovac | Intensity: modinfo loop |
| 17:19.59 | horrovac | parm: max_loop:Maximum number of loop devices (int) |
| 17:20.11 | jelly | Intensity: did you set the module parameter somewhere in /etc/modprobe.d/ ? |
| 17:20.15 | horrovac | rmmod loop && modprobe loop max_loop=16 |
| 17:20.16 | horrovac | done |
| 17:20.21 | Intensity | horrovac: The kernel is supporting that number. My question is about the creation of device nodes, not about the kernel limit. |
| 17:20.38 | horrovac | look into modinfo loop |
| 17:20.49 | jelly | Intensity: so you're using a custom kernel? |
| 17:21.06 | greycat | You need to demonstrate that you've created the kernel support for these devices before you complain about udev failing to make the nodes. |
| 17:21.19 | Intensity | The kernel has nothing to do with my question. I'm using the default kernel, and I have set max_loop=16. My question is about udev. |
| 17:21.54 | greycat | The kernel has everything to do with device nodes, in this new-fangled modern whiz-bang udev world. |
| 17:22.17 | acu | hey guys do you know if there is debian.edu channel? |
| 17:22.27 | horrovac | No |
| 17:22.35 | centrx | acu, it would be on irc.oftc.net |
| 17:22.47 | centrx | acu, #debian-edu |
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| 17:23.59 | Intensity | When I create more than 8 manually, and then do 16 simultaneous losetup mounts, this works. So the kernel and its module configuration has no problem with that number of entries. It's just that I might not be modifying the correct udev configuration file. |
| 17:24.06 | acu | thanks centrx ill check it out |
| 17:24.07 | jelly | Intensity: which debian release is this? Doing a manual modprobe loop max_loop=16 creates "brw-rw---T 1 root disk 7, 15 Apr 8 19:23 /dev/loop15" on a debian 7 system of mine |
| 17:24.25 | jelly | no udev customizations at all |
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| 17:24.36 | horrovac | Intensity: I just did rmmod loop && modprobe loop max_loop=16 and now have loop0 through loop16 in /dev |
| 17:24.52 | jelly | horrovac: loop15 </pedant> |
| 17:24.52 | horrovac | PEBKAC |
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| 17:25.03 | horrovac | Ah. Yes. 15 |
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| 17:25.50 | horrovac | (but this is Arch, however i don't see why debian should be different) |
| 17:26.17 | jelly | Intensity: so pretty please, make sure your "option loop max_loop=16" is present in at the right point in time and place |
| 17:27.43 | Intensity | jelly: Then the difference between my setup and yours must be that I'd compiled the Ubuntu 3.13 kernel and that's the one I'm using. Somehow that gives something in between: more than 8 simultaneous loop devices is possible when created manually, but the number that is auto-populated is only 8. |
| 17:28.11 | greycat | Frankendebian. |
| 17:28.17 | jelly | Intensity: you just said "I'm using the default kernel, and I have set max_loop=16. ", which one is it |
| 17:28.31 | horrovac | FWIW I have 3-19.3.1-ARCH |
| 17:28.42 | horrovac | (I'm slightly behind on updates) |
| 17:28.52 | jelly | greycat: I'd hesitate to call a setup frankendebian just because it has a custom kernel |
| 17:28.55 | horrovac | 3.19.3-1-ARCH |
| 17:29.11 | greycat | let's find out what else is nonstandard.... |
| 17:29.17 | jelly | indeed. |
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| 17:30.59 | crised_ | Trying to compile opencv with ffmpeg and gstreamer support, which packages would you recommend to do this? |
| 17:31.10 | jelly | Intensity: please pastebin the output of "dpkg -l dpkg libc6 udev", and "apt-cache policy", and try to reproduce the issue with the default kernel. If you're using Debian 7 and require a newer kernel, there's 3.16 in wheezy-backports. |
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| 17:31.55 | Intensity | Because I was experiencing the ability to access more than 8 simultaneous /dev/loop entries I concluded that the kernel didn't have any intrinsic limitation of the number of device entries it could support. Basically I had no idea whether my udev entries were having any effect at all since I didn't see any warning messages. Because of this conclusion of mine, I misrepresented the kernel version I was running because I didn't think it was the |
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| 17:33.49 | horrovac | So you CAN use more than 8, only they don't get automatically created when you load the module with the appropriate parametre? |
| 17:33.58 | jelly | Intensity: you were cut off at "I misrepresented the kernel version I was running because I didn't think it was the <--- HERE". I'll suspend further suggestions until you provide the request info |
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| 17:34.16 | jelly | requested* |
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| 17:35.09 | jep84 | hey, does anyone here have got sucessfully installed docker on debian jessie ? |
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| 17:36.07 | NoImNotNineVolt | the kernel's too old. |
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| 17:41.03 | Intensity | jelly: I misrepresented the kernel version I was running because I didn't think it was the issue. Sorry about that. I understand if you/others may not be up to sharing further suggestions. |
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| 17:41.33 | greycat | I think he's willing to continue helping once you provide the versions of the packages he asked for. |
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| 17:43.55 | Intensity | dpkg=1.16.1 libc6:amd64=2.13-38+deb7u8 udev=175-7.2; apt-cache policy: http://paste.lisp.org/+35CD |
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| 17:44.36 | K-202 | Hi. I'm trying to install Debain 8. (1) unetbootin -> netinstall -> USB key. BIOS and GRUB don't see pendrive. (2) setup.exe -> expert install -> reboot -> installation started but it looks for CD-ROM and I can't continue installation. |
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| 17:46.12 | mtn | !unetbootin |
| 17:46.13 | dpkg | UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ Not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>. |
| 17:46.40 | K-202 | !usb install |
| 17:46.40 | dpkg | You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. Use http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ to write images from Windows. For BIOSes not capable of USB boot, ask me about <plop>. |
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| 17:48.16 | K-202 | !usb plop |
| 17:48.18 | K-202 | !plop |
| 17:48.51 | mtn | K-202: you can use /msg dpkg to read the help files, don't do it here in the channel |
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| 17:49.05 | K-202 | my BIOS is capable of USB booting (I was able to boot Android) but this time there are troubles |
| 17:49.13 | K-202 | does it depend on USB pendrive manufacturer? |
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| 17:50.02 | mtn | K-202: the problem may be unetbootin, like what dpkg told you |
| 17:50.21 | K-202 | okay, I'm trying win32diskimager |
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| 17:56.15 | littlebit | hi people, I have been trying to setup and configure a bridge between 2 interfaces, but it isn't working. During startup I get the following message: Cannot bring up device "br0" Bind socket to interface: No such device Failed to bring up br0 |
| 17:56.19 | littlebit | here is my config http://pastebin.com/XFyicigY |
| 17:56.25 | littlebit | can someone help??? |
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| 17:57.44 | _aeris_ | ohai #debian ! |
| 17:57.53 | _aeris_ | since few weeks, i always have |
| 17:57.55 | _aeris_ | W: Failed to fetch http://http.debian.net/debian/dists/unstable/main/source/SourcesIndex Hash Sum mismatch |
| 17:57.59 | _aeris_ | W: Failed to fetch http://http.debian.net/debian/dists/unstable/main/i18n/Translation-enIndex Hash Sum mismatch |
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| 17:58.08 | _aeris_ | some guys with the same trouble ? |
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| 18:00.54 | horrovac | _aeris_: No but that looks as if you have a corrupt download. Delete the file and retry. |
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| 18:01.57 | honeyboob | hi all :) I just installed the last dvd images of testing.. my sources.list has both jessie-updates and jessie/updates, please do I need them? |
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| 18:02.19 | honeyboob | I was planning to keep testing as testing (rolling) |
| 18:02.36 | honeyboob | I'm a bit of a noob, so thanks for any suggestion |
| 18:03.26 | horrovac | I believe using rolling with a distro that is release-based is not such a good idea. That might bite. |
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| 18:04.22 | honeyboob | horrovac: I thought many people keep testing as their everyday distro.. did I misunderstood something(s)? |
| 18:04.53 | ctmjr | honeyboob: when jessie goes stable, you will not have fun if your sources list say's testing |
| 18:05.08 | mtn | honeyboob: if you are a noob, you surely don't want to do that :P |
| 18:05.11 | horrovac | I think they do, but use the release names rather than "testing" |
| 18:05.39 | horrovac | otherwise, everything goes haywire and you're on a dead system before you realise that there's a new release out. |
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| 18:06.17 | horrovac | Use jessie, and when something else is testing, switch to that. I believe that's how people use testing. |
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| 18:06.22 | honeyboob | horrovac: actually in sources.list there are only release name plus those jessie-updates and jessie/updates which I don't understand |
| 18:06.32 | littlebit | hi people, I have been trying to setup and configure a bridge between 2 interfaces, but it isn't working. During startup I get the following message: Cannot bring up device "br0" Bind socket to interface: No such device Failed to bring up br0 |
| 18:06.36 | littlebit | here is my config http://pastebin.com/XFyicigY |
| 18:06.38 | saptech | interesting, I'm running mine with Testing instead of Jessie |
| 18:06.39 | littlebit | can someone help??? |
| 18:06.39 | honeyboob | horrovac: ok |
| 18:06.52 | vandox | atm jessie and testing are the same |
| 18:07.06 | horrovac | I don#t know the specifics of that either. But don't use testing/updates in your sources list. |
| 18:07.20 | saptech | horrovac, would it be okay if I switch back to jessie from testing now? |
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| 18:07.48 | saptech | i'm concern when jessie goes stable |
| 18:07.52 | horrovac | jessie and testing are the same now. if you just rewrite testing to jessie in your sources list, there should be no difference. |
| 18:08.09 | saptech | ok |
| 18:08.27 | saptech | is jessie going stable around April 25? |
| 18:08.34 | horrovac | When jessie goes stable you can switch to next testing manually. Instead of it happening automatically, possibly without you realising, and leaving you with a bricked system. |
| 18:08.36 | saptech | I read it was |
| 18:08.53 | saptech | ok |
| 18:09.39 | saptech | do they freeze testing when jessie go stable? |
| 18:09.46 | honeyboob | I better change my sources.list with Jessie one.. hope to find one :) |
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| 18:10.04 | mtn | saptech: no, they generally blow it up with new packages :) |
| 18:10.28 | honeyboob | mtn: now I understand |
| 18:10.50 | _aeris_ | ok, seems good |
| 18:11.03 | _aeris_ | thanks horrovac |
| 18:11.07 | honeyboob | mtn, horrovac: so better waiting for waters to calm again after the release |
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| 18:11.50 | mtn | honeyboob: I don't think new users should use testing long term, because it will break and you won't know what to do |
| 18:11.58 | horrovac | _aeris_: np :) |
| 18:12.39 | honeyboob | mtn: do you get a lot of people coming here cry-wanking for breakages? :) |
| 18:12.56 | mtn | honeyboob: with testing? sure. |
| 18:13.01 | honeyboob | I feel I could be one of those |
| 18:13.07 | jelly | honeyboob: testing is VERY interesting for a couple weeks-months after a release |
| 18:13.11 | horrovac | honeyboob: A new release often has newer versions of packages, sometimes with different configs or incompatible with data created with previous versions. Switching releases is something that should be done knowingly and expecting to have to fix things. |
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| 18:13.57 | jelly | honeyboob: expect things to be anywhere in between "works" to "can't boot, can't X, can't apt" |
| 18:14.17 | horrovac | I use a distro which is rolling update by default as my main distro (Archlinux), and there is often something breaking after updates. |
| 18:14.35 | honeyboob | actually I was attracted by the idea of having a "semi"rolling release |
| 18:14.47 | jelly | debian does not have a rolling release. |
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| 18:14.51 | jhutchins | honeyboob: That's not really what testing is. |
| 18:14.56 | horrovac | Debian isn't meant for that. |
| 18:15.00 | Mousey | has treated debian like a rolling relase since the 90s. am not disappoint |
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| 18:15.05 | Canar | isn't unstable kind of rolling release? |
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| 18:15.17 | jelly | Canar: it's not a release, so... no |
| 18:15.21 | greycat | it's rolling something, but not release |
| 18:15.31 | horrovac | If it's release-based, you better use it with releases, or better be damn sure you know WTF you're doing. |
| 18:15.31 | greycat | rolling package-dump-pit? |
| 18:15.35 | honeyboob | greycat: aahahah |
| 18:15.45 | jhutchins | A repository of packages working their way toward testing? |
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| 18:15.55 | jelly | Canar: it's an algomeration of fiercely independent software with little effort to make it usable at any point in time |
| 18:15.56 | Mousey | having "unstable", "testing" and "stable" in my sources.list, (with apt.conf pinned to testing as default), i ran an Apple G4 tower from 2001 to 2011 with regular updates, and never had to bring it down once for "os upgrade" |
| 18:16.02 | jelly | aglomeration* |
| 18:16.13 | horrovac | If you want rolling updates, use something that supports it. Arch, Gentoo, whatever else works like that. |
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| 18:16.28 | Mousey | debian supports rolling updates, always has |
| 18:16.44 | jhutchins | Mousey: No, it really doesn't. |
| 18:16.45 | Mousey | i'm yet to find a distro that does rolling updates as well as debian does |
| 18:16.49 | horrovac | But be warned: rolling updates break things. Your call. But you need to be able to fix it if it breaks. |
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| 18:17.00 | Mousey | every form of updates breaks things |
| 18:17.08 | jelly | Mousey: not in any other meaning of "support" than "these commands will run and try to update things" |
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| 18:17.10 | jhutchins | Mousey: Your understanding of it is not something that a new user will be able to cope with. |
| 18:17.21 | Mousey | new users and debian, huh |
| 18:17.22 | horrovac | Yeah but if debian fucks it up I'm mildly surprised. With Arch it's business as usual. |
| 18:17.27 | Mousey | brave new users! |
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| 18:17.37 | mtn | horrovac: nonsense |
| 18:17.44 | jhutchins | Mousey: Also, mixed releases and pinning are really outdated concepts in current Debian. |
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| 18:17.46 | jelly | horrovac: fucking it up is normal and expected for unstable and testing. |
| 18:18.06 | jhutchins | Mousey: By new I mean new-to-Debian. |
| 18:18.13 | horrovac | jelly: I should have mentioned I use debian stable, when I use it. |
| 18:18.14 | Mousey | the only thing i 'pin' isn't using pinning at all, just setting the default package level to testing |
| 18:18.16 | horrovac | For servers. |
| 18:18.31 | Mousey | uses debian as his gaming desktop distro |
| 18:18.35 | Mousey | and servers |
| 18:19.02 | SamsaraSoup | do you guys generally use su or sudo or a combination of both? |
| 18:19.13 | Mousey | sudo su - |
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| 18:19.15 | Mousey | or sudo -i |
| 18:19.24 | greycat | on my desktop boxes, and my VPS, I usually use sudo |
| 18:19.29 | Canar | SamsaraSoup: su |
| 18:19.35 | phy1729 | sudo |
| 18:19.43 | greycat | on the servers at work, it's su, because that's just the culture here |
| 18:19.44 | horrovac | I log in as root or su - |
| 18:19.51 | nerdistmonk | so why is it wine on debian has been loopy the last 7 months? |
| 18:20.03 | NoImNotNineVolt | sudo for audit. |
| 18:20.03 | mtn | wine=loopy! |
| 18:20.04 | SamsaraSoup | quite a mix then |
| 18:20.15 | Mousey | some people don't like using sudo |
| 18:20.18 | Mousey | some people do |
| 18:20.19 | horrovac | SamsaraSoup: There's no right or wrong here. |
| 18:20.32 | nerdistmonk | winecfg = command not found, its why i ended up just staying on xubuntu last november. |
| 18:20.35 | horrovac | Whatever rocks your boat. |
| 18:20.48 | Mousey | sudo is good for audit |
| 18:20.58 | Mousey | not having sudo installed at all is arguably safer |
| 18:21.22 | SamsaraSoup | haha I've always used sudo, but just curious about others that's all |
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| 18:21.28 | phy1729 | sudo also helps prevent waling away from a root terminal |
| 18:22.34 | jelly | sudo is excellent for providing access to specific commands. |
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| 18:22.41 | horrovac | I'm not particularly worried about that. If someone else is sitting at my keyboard, I'm screwed. |
| 18:22.55 | Mousey | possession is 9/10ths of the hack |
| 18:23.48 | nerdistmonk | _shrugs_ |
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| 18:24.26 | Mousey | sods off |
| 18:24.53 | bezaban | NoImNotNineVolt: do you disable su, and other loopholes like shelling out from sudo'd programs or does the auditor just accept 'we use sudo'? |
| 18:24.55 | honeyboob | I may think there more people than we think running regularly testing.. I can't believe people wait for almost 2 years for updating, in my case I'd like to have both debian and gnome 3.16 |
| 18:25.14 | nerdistmonk | <<about to do the same considering i cant get wine to work. i mean jee, i would figure the wine package included in the repo would work ya know. |
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| 18:25.26 | nerdistmonk | Im trying to use testing right now. |
| 18:25.33 | phy1729 | honeyboob: backports |
| 18:25.35 | bezaban | or is this not an external auditor situation :) |
| 18:25.40 | NoImNotNineVolt | bezaban: nobody knows the root password. |
| 18:25.42 | nerdistmonk | not having a functional wine install is a bit of snag though. |
| 18:25.50 | NoImNotNineVolt | so naturally, people can still still sudo su |
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| 18:25.54 | bezaban | NoImNotNineVolt: yeah |
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| 18:25.57 | NoImNotNineVolt | but then we can see that in the logs :P |
| 18:26.03 | phy1729 | bezaban: whitelists > blacklists |
| 18:26.09 | greycat | sudo su is kinda silly. might as well just do sudo bash. |
| 18:26.10 | bezaban | NoImNotNineVolt: right. |
| 18:26.32 | jelly | NoImNotNineVolt: surely, sudo -i |
| 18:26.37 | bezaban | phy1729: yes, but not practical if you're not using su - |
| 18:27.03 | NoImNotNineVolt | or that. |
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| 18:28.35 | acz32 | would disabling ssh access to a server through the shell and requiring graphical (sftp://) login be more secure? |
| 18:28.46 | jelly | acz32: more secure than what? |
| 18:28.47 | GPenguin | greycat: why is "sudo su -" silly? |
| 18:28.48 | greycat | sftp is not a graphical program |
| 18:28.55 | mtn | nerdistmonk: did you follow this?:https://wiki.debian.org/RunningWindowsPrograms |
| 18:28.57 | acz32 | than ssh through the shell |
| 18:29.25 | nerdistmonk | not a noob mtn, wine works fine on xubuntu 15.04 devel |
| 18:29.26 | acz32 | greycat: when i ssh through graphical means (thunar, gigolo) etc it automatically changes it to sftp |
| 18:29.36 | jelly | acz32: yes, allowing shell access brings a larger attack surface than allowing sftp only. |
| 18:29.48 | mtn | nerdistmonk: I thought the question was about debian. oh well |
| 18:29.50 | nerdistmonk | installing wine 1.7.29 on debian from the repos results in "command not found" when i run winecfg |
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| 18:30.27 | greycat | there are non-graphics sftp clients, one of which is named sftp. |
| 18:30.32 | acz32 | jelly: is there any difference in security between accessing data using ssh vs sftp or are they the same thing? |
| 18:30.56 | greycat | An sftp-only configuration disallows running commands. |
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| 18:31.05 | nerdistmonk | mtn: if you read carefully, i am talking about debian. |
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| 18:31.14 | jelly | acz32: yes. sftp is a relatively isolated component of ssh server. |
| 18:31.18 | mtn | nerdistmonk: so was I :P |
| 18:31.32 | dreamon | booting a raspberry â FAT-fs (mmcblk0p1): Volume was not properly unmounted. Some data may be corrupt. Please run fsck. â do I have to fix this? |
| 18:31.33 | acz32 | jelly: greycat: thanks |
| 18:31.39 | dreamon | what is mmcblk0p1? |
| 18:31.52 | Sendoushi | hey guys. i'm trying to setup vsftpd in my raspberry pi. i can't start the service. the status shows me "not running", i start it and it still says "not running" :s ideas on why? |
| 18:31.53 | horrovac | ssd card |
| 18:31.54 | jelly | nerdistmonk: which debian release, which dpkg architecture, and which package did you install? |
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| 18:32.09 | horrovac | SD card i mean |
| 18:32.27 | nerdistmonk | Debian 8.0 jessie, just installed it 20 minutes ago, wine development 1.7.29 right from the testing repo |
| 18:32.29 | nerdistmonk | amd64 |
| 18:32.36 | jelly | dreamon, Sendoushi: have you installed Debian or raspbian? |
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| 18:32.48 | Sendoushi | raspbian |
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| 18:33.02 | jelly | Sendoushi: ask in #raspbian then. Thanks. |
| 18:33.36 | jelly | nerdistmonk: wine-development package? |
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| 18:34.20 | nerdistmonk | yes jelly, 1.7.29, did i need to do the multi-arch related thing i usually do on xubuntu? (enable 32bit arch?) |
| 18:34.28 | jelly | nerdistmonk: /usr/bin/winecfg-development |
| 18:34.50 | honeyboob | sorry to bother again, I'm going to fix my sources.list file after I fresh installed testing.. to make sure it will point this-next-stable (jessie) |
| 18:34.52 | nerdistmonk | renamed, wow. |
| 18:35.02 | jelly | nerdistmonk: this enables coexistence of wine (1.6) and wine-development (1.7) |
| 18:35.04 | honeyboob | please do I also need the updates source? |
| 18:35.17 | nerdistmonk | at the expense of my final remaining 4 hairs :D |
| 18:35.18 | jelly | nerdistmonk: use your tab key next time! :-D |
| 18:35.45 | dreamon | jelly, raspberrian.. |
| 18:35.47 | jelly | nerdistmonk: also, read the README.Debian stuff in /usr/share/doc/packagename/ |
| 18:36.20 | nerdistmonk | well jelly in 14 years i haven't ever had to worry about wines command names being different |
| 18:36.21 | jelly | dreamon: if it's raspbian, then same answer as Sendoushi, they have a separate channel: #raspbian |
| 18:36.44 | nerdistmonk | but oh well, the more you know. |
| 18:36.56 | rozie | sad to say, raspbian is not debian. and it's worse |
| 18:37.16 | jelly | it's a different distro with their own set of issues and solutions |
| 18:37.19 | greycat | Looks like jessie/updates lines work. So I would strongly recommend using them, as they will be vitally important once jessie becomes stable. |
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| 18:37.30 | rozie | at least version I used to use. bananian (for banana pi) is right way to make debian based distro |
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| 18:37.59 | dreamon | thanks |
| 18:38.05 | rozie | it's just tuned kernel (and hardened ssh config) |
| 18:38.08 | honeyboob | greycat: thx, so it will probably become useless after release in your opinion? |
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| 18:38.28 | greycat | Nooo, the opposite! The updates lines become VITALLY IMPORTANT after the release. They do nothing right now, but don't hurt anything. |
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| 18:38.44 | jelly | who is this Vitaly person |
| 18:38.44 | greycat | Better to have them in place now, so you don't forget. |
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| 18:39.26 | greycat | this guy's brother? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Vitale |
| 18:39.38 | honeyboob | greycat: I just wonder how long it will take to look back and laugh at these questions of mine :) |
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| 18:45.28 | syntroPi | On Jessie with apache2.4.10 and mod_php why do i get TONS of "Non-static method PEAR::isError() should not be called statically, assuming $this from incompatible context in" errors? tried to mute it via php.ini without effect... |
| 18:46.39 | syntroPi | How do I configure mod_php so that i only get errors and never any warnings? |
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| 18:49.44 | temhaa | hello |
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| 18:51.10 | temhaa | I installed lxc to my debian server. I rebooted my server and then lxc not started.I executed this command: udo lxc-start -n olmeca it says: lxc-start: No such file or directory - failed to remove cgroup '/sys/fs/cgroup//lxc/olmeca' my /etx/fstab is includes cgroup /sys/fs/cgroup cgroup defaults 0 0 |
| 18:51.35 | honeyboob | greycat: pls, do you think I should also leave jessie-updates (volatile)? I don't get what are they for.. |
| 18:51.44 | greycat | I don't have those. |
| 18:51.58 | greycat | !volatile |
| 18:51.58 | dpkg | Debian Volatile was a project aiming at keeping Debian releases up-to-date for fast moving packages such as virus scanners, spam scanners and firmware downloaders. It was replaced by the <stable-updates> suite as of Debian 6.0 "Squeeze". http://lists.debian.org/debian-volatile-announce/2012/msg00000.html |
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| 18:56.07 | greycat | notes that http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/7.6-systemd/chapter07/systemd-custom.html has "Disable Screen Clearing at Boot Time" as the very first thing... but alas, no generalization to other gettys or explanation of why the man page is wrong about the default behavior |
| 18:56.11 | Erlanglearner | Hello, I am having trouble resting my password via grub |
| 18:56.31 | Erlanglearner | when i use passwd it says "command not found" |
| 18:56.38 | Erlanglearner | can anyone helpM |
| 18:56.55 | greycat | also no explanation of what "getty@tty1.service.d" means or how to remember that ungodly name or anything |
| 18:58.03 | Erlanglearner | please ? |
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| 18:58.34 | horrovac | Erlanglearner: Via grub? |
| 18:58.44 | greycat | either you've changed the PATH variable, or someone deleted the passwd program |
| 18:58.53 | Erlanglearner | i launched an init=/bin/bash |
| 18:59.11 | horrovac | Ah |
| 18:59.11 | greycat | Oh. Well... uh, yeah, that's a whole different level of Debian. |
| 18:59.34 | Erlanglearner | sorry should have been more priscise |
| 18:59.46 | greycat | If you go all the way down to init=/bin/bash then you have to remount the root file system read-write before you can modify anything. |
| 18:59.54 | horrovac | Try typing /usr/bin/passwd <user> |
| 19:00.09 | greycat | horrovac's comment should work after the remount |
| 19:00.23 | Erlanglearner | my /usr is empty |
| 19:00.29 | greycat | unless your /usr is a separate file system, in which case you'd have to mount that as wlel |
| 19:00.30 | Erlanglearner | i've already remounted |
| 19:00.35 | Erlanglearner | i think it might be graycat |
| 19:00.39 | greycat | mount /usr |
| 19:00.48 | Erlanglearner | it's been so long since i mounted this system |
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| 19:01.00 | Erlanglearner | is there any way to recognise which partition is the /usr |
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| 19:01.05 | Erlanglearner | the mount command gave no clue |
| 19:01.12 | greycat | That's good. |
| 19:01.19 | greycat | mount /usr should give no output if it worked |
| 19:01.20 | horrovac | /etc/fstab should be there so mount /usr should suffice |
| 19:01.25 | Erlanglearner | nm |
| 19:01.27 | Erlanglearner | that worked |
| 19:01.30 | Erlanglearner | lol |
| 19:01.46 | Erlanglearner | thanks a bunch |
| 19:01.53 | Erlanglearner | I <3 you guys |
| 19:01.59 | horrovac | Whoa |
| 19:02.30 | greycat | I'm surprised you managed the remounting step but not the far easier mount /usr ;-) |
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| 19:02.53 | horrovac | Yeah that's a bit... assymetrical *g* |
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| 19:03.05 | Erlanglearner | lol |
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| 19:03.21 | Erlanglearner | I think i might have been overthinking things thats the problem |
| 19:03.22 | Erlanglearner | haha |
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| 19:09.02 | Kiryx | Hello |
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| 19:09.18 | Kiryx | I noticed I have a very strange behavior on my Debian Wheezy |
| 19:09.24 | Kiryx | regarding the disk space |
| 19:09.40 | horrovac | btrfs? |
| 19:09.45 | teraflop | xD |
| 19:09.46 | Kiryx | df -H gives me the following line: |
| 19:09.50 | Kiryx | /dev/sda5 276G 262G 918k 100% /home |
| 19:10.18 | Kiryx | there's clearly 22gb missing |
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| 19:10.24 | Majikthise | Kiryx: filesystem overheads? |
| 19:10.25 | Kiryx | sorry, 14GV |
| 19:10.49 | Kiryx | well, I also thought so but this keeps growing |
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| 19:11.20 | Majikthise | Kiryx: have you fscked it? |
| 19:11.43 | Kiryx | nope |
| 19:11.55 | Majikthise | I'd try that if I were you |
| 19:11.57 | abrotman | Kiryx: open files and cluster sizes can make that off |
| 19:11.59 | rozie | Kiryx: 1. what FS? 2. isn't it unused block space? |
| 19:12.14 | rozie | (if file is 1 byte it still uses full block) |
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| 19:13.09 | Kiryx | rozie: http://pastebin.com/LW9Zii8z |
| 19:13.55 | greycat | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd_FAQ#How_do_I_change_the_default_number_of_gettys.3F at least EXPLAINS some things! We're getting there.... |
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| 19:14.45 | Kiryx | abrotman: I'm not sure if that's only it, I just experienced the following: |
| 19:14.54 | greycat | I still don't know why systemd.exec(5) does not match the behavior of the actual getty services. |
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| 19:15.13 | abrotman | greycat: You love learning, admit it ... |
| 19:15.30 | horrovac | That's some dedication, I have to say... |
| 19:15.35 | Kiryx | I had 1GB free, downloaded something (200mb left), removed the file, and I was still left with 200mb |
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| 19:15.44 | greycat | I wouldn't mind learning if there were a single well-written document to learn from. |
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| 19:16.17 | horrovac | With systemd? Keep dreaming. |
| 19:16.17 | greycat | But, as with most things Linux, the true information is scattered wide and far, and intermixed with false information. |
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| 19:16.34 | horrovac | I fear lot of systemd is not documented at all. |
| 19:17.04 | K-202 | I inserted another pendrive. I was able to boot Android x86 (unetbootin). I loaded boot.img from hd-media using Win32DebianInstaller. BIOS doesn't see pendrive. |
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| 19:18.57 | greycat | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd_FAQ#How_do_I_avoid_clearing_the_console_after_boot.3F has a very different directory name! |
| 19:20.02 | greycat | Too bad they don't explain what the directory name means, why it's missing the "tty1" bit from the other distro's FAQ.... |
| 19:20.34 | teraflop | horrovac: e.g systemd-networkd I ended in #systemd to figure out how to get a /64 properly routed in a headless vps |
| 19:20.38 | jhutchins | K-202: That's not a method I'm familiar with from the install guide. |
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| 19:21.01 | jhutchins | K-202: Generally you will download an iso image and transfer it to the drive (after checking the md5sum). |
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| 19:23.55 | K-202 | jhutchins: full version, not netinstall / hd-media? |
| 19:26.29 | greycat | Oh! Here's a thing. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd#Editing_provided_unit_files mentioned "systemctl cat". Which had no obvious names I could guess, so I read that man page.... |
| 19:27.12 | greycat | ... which led me to "systemctl -a" which shows the "unit names", which then led me back to "systemctl cat getty@tty1" (a guess), which shows where that Disallocate crap is coming from. There is a THIRD DIRECTORY of crap. |
| 19:27.36 | greycat | in addition to /usr/lib/systemd/ there is also /lib/systems/ |
| 19:27.40 | greycat | err /lib/systemd/ |
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| 19:28.26 | greycat | The Disallocate crap is in /lib/systemd/system/getty@.service |
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| 19:30.26 | greycat | So... now, maybe I guess the "getty@.service" name of that file corresponds to the /etc/systemd/system/getty@.service.d/ directory their other FAQ page referred to...? |
| 19:30.37 | greycat | I guess there's some rule like "add .d to the end" |
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| 19:33.36 | jhutchins | greycat: Fun and games with systemd? |
| 19:33.50 | greycat | YES! That works. If you remove the "tty1" from the directory name and just put the magic override-override file in /etc/systemd/system/getty@.service.d/ it appears to apply to ALL the gettys, reversing the crap from /lib/ |
| 19:34.09 | greycat | You also have to run "systemctl daemon-reload" or something. This is all VERY poorly documented. |
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| 19:34.37 | jhutchins | greycat: Probably because it's still changing. |
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| 19:37.10 | teraflop | greycat: the fact that you have to do daemon-reload is not a matter of being poorly documented is just common sense, also systemd warns you about that most of the time |
| 19:37.43 | greycat | I promise you, there is nothing common-sensical about having to run a command that wasn't mentioned on the first few FAQs I found that tried to answer this question. |
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| 19:38.08 | greycat | I also promise you, EVERY GOD DAMNED DISTRIBUTION ANSWERS THIS SAME QUESTION, which tells you that the default is stupid. |
| 19:38.45 | teraflop | greycat: man systemd(1) |
| 19:39.22 | greycat | I also also promise you, systemd did NOT warn me that I had to run a command after doing the mkdir and vi steps to create the override-override file for getty@tty1. vi made the file, and that was it. No messages spontaneously appeared on my consooe. |
| 19:39.24 | NoImNotNineVolt | the daemon-reload part is annoying and not intuitive. |
| 19:39.46 | teraflop | ^ |
| 19:39.55 | greycat | I have no problem with the concept that there's a "reload things" step. It just is not documented in any of the first few places I found. |
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| 19:42.30 | teraflop | greycat: since youre overriding the defaults in /lib to be in /etc how it is supposed to be warned about? |
| 19:42.57 | greycat | You're the one that said "systemd warns you about that most of the time". |
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| 19:43.55 | teraflop | greycat: yeah and what part in that sentence dont you undertsnad? xD |
| 19:43.59 | teraflop | heh |
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| 19:44.15 | greycat | The part that says "systemd warns you". |
| 19:44.30 | teraflop | ok I bail on this one |
| 19:44.38 | greycat | You may be assuming a MUCH greater familiarity with systemd than we actually have. |
| 19:44.56 | teraflop | sorry then |
| 19:44.58 | bazhang | how new is systemd |
| 19:44.59 | greycat | If you mean "it warns you if you type ____" then that's not obvious either. |
| 19:45.19 | bazhang | ie when did debain start using it |
| 19:45.23 | bazhang | and debian |
| 19:45.29 | NoImNotNineVolt | depends on what you mean by that. |
| 19:45.39 | NoImNotNineVolt | i think the default init went to systemd as of jessie. |
| 19:45.41 | greycat | bazhang: it was offered as a "technology preview" option in wheezy, but it's not installed by default until jessie, which will be released in a few weeks. |
| 19:45.45 | bazhang | which part |
| 19:45.50 | bazhang | "when"? |
| 19:45.56 | NoImNotNineVolt | "using" |
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| 19:46.47 | bazhang | greycat, similar to when ubuntu 15.04 ie next release does, cheers for that |
| 19:46.48 | NoImNotNineVolt | it was there in wheezy, but it wasn't the default, and i don't know anyone that actually went and switched to systemd intentionally. |
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| 19:50.48 | horrovac | It's been in Arch for quite some time but I can't say I'm really familiar with it. In places it's very cryptic. |
| 19:51.15 | greycat | Arch's documentation seems to be the least bad out there. |
| 19:51.23 | teraflop | yep |
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| 19:51.45 | blackflow | isn't there official systemd documentation? |
| 19:51.49 | horrovac | On the other hand, most of the time it just works. It's quite nifty. But when it doesn't do what you want, you might be screwed. |
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| 19:55.48 | GPenguin | a |
| 19:56.23 | GPenguin | doops |
| 19:57.08 | GPenguin | sorry. but why is "sudo -i" better than "sudo su -"? |
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| 19:57.57 | greycat | because it doesn't go through a second hoop |
| 19:58.18 | clearleapmatt | also, imo, it's a little nicer in the logs. |
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| 19:58.49 | GPenguin | lets see if i can change that habit |
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| 20:07.39 | GPenguin | strange. i connected disk1 and disk2 (via SATA) on channel 1 and 2. then i switched the channel and disk2 is still /dev/sdb |
| 20:07.59 | nonononono | I hibernated Debian 7.8 (XFCE) while kernel compilation. Next time I couldn't start Iceweasel. Reboot. File system broken. fsck. Reboot. Xfce settings are gone and probably many files are deleted too. |
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| 20:08.35 | nonononono | I hibernated Win7 during compilation and other tasks and there were no issues. |
| 20:08.41 | nonononono | so what's up Debian? |
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| 20:08.45 | circ-user-QBhMZ | i have tried to boot my knoppix dvd as 64 bit as I have a 64 bit computer. I typed in knoppix64 at the boot menu and all that yet it still boots to 32 bit. How do i boot to 64 bit knoppix? |
| 20:09.34 | jhutchins | circ-user-QBhMZ: How would we know? Knoppix isn't Debian. |
| 20:09.38 | jhutchins | !knoppix |
| 20:09.39 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distribution which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.org/ unofficial: http://Debian-knoppix.alioth.Debian.org/ <Debian-live> is the Debian equivalent for publishing live systems. |
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| 20:09.59 | circ-user-QBhMZ | ahh, what is knoppix based on? |
| 20:10.23 | bzed | circ-user-QBhMZ: use grml :) |
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| 20:10.28 | jhutchins | circ-user-QBhMZ: See above. |
| 20:10.43 | circ-user-QBhMZ | ok thanks |
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| 20:10.48 | jhutchins | circ-user-QBhMZ: You can actually use the full hybrid installer Debian images as live CDs. |
| 20:10.59 | jhutchins | s/CDs/images/ |
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| 20:11.52 | GPenguin | or was channel maybe the wrong word. is S-ATA port better? |
| 20:12.25 | jhutchins | GPenguin: That's why we use UUIDs. |
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| 20:12.49 | GPenguin | :( |
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| 20:13.56 | GPenguin | would be nice then when "fdisk -l" lists the partitions with UUIDs :P |
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| 20:16.19 | jhutchins | GPenguin: blockid |
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| 20:17.30 | jhutchins | GPenguin: Sorry, blkid |
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| 20:19.45 | ectospasm | I'm resurrecting a Debian wheezy system where the old motherboard died. I've gotten the new barebones kit to boot Debian, but none of the network interfaces are available. lspci shows all three (Realtek WLAN card, and two Intel Gbit Ethernet NICs), even with kernel driver modules loaded. But, ifconfig only shows lo, and running "ifup eth0" doesn't even appear to try loading it, just says "No such device" |
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| 20:20.14 | ectospasm | I looked where I thought the old MAC addresses might be hard coded (/etc/network/interfaces), but they don't seem to be there. |
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| 20:22.01 | horrovac | ip link show? |
| 20:22.15 | ectospasm | OK, lemme try that. |
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| 20:23.47 | ectospasm | interesting, the two Intel NICs are eth2 and eth3 |
| 20:24.02 | ectospasm | No sign of wlan0 in "ip link show" |
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| 20:24.18 | ectospasm | Not too concerned with wlan0 yet |
| 20:24.52 | ectospasm | would hard coding the MACs in /etc/network/interfaces work to force those to eth0 and eth1? |
| 20:24.59 | horrovac | That's something with the interface persistant naming. eth0 and eth1 are recorded as present so it enumerates them as above. |
| 20:25.23 | ectospasm | OK, that makes sense. |
| 20:25.27 | horrovac | No there's something in udev... /etc/udev/rules.d or something. With persistant interfaces. |
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| 20:27.21 | ectospasm | OK |
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| 20:27.46 | nerdistmonk | yeah /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-* is what i had to remove when i moved an *buntu install to a different machine so i could get eth0 back |
| 20:28.03 | horrovac | That's the one, yes. |
| 20:28.29 | nerdistmonk | otherwise it uses eth1 and leaves eth0 forever assigned to a network adapter that no longer exists |
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| 20:34.05 | horrovac | ectospasm: So is it working? |
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| 20:52.14 | greycat | OK, despite not being able to figure out why the category isn't working for me, here's a thing: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/SystemdNoClear |
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| 20:54.39 | MetalHead77 | I'm creating a bash script to calculate the weekday within the calendar year 2011. My script should accept two input parameter values (MONTH DATE) and use the following formula to calculate weekday: |
| 20:54.44 | MetalHead77 | WEEKDAY = 5 + MONTH + DATE |
| 20:54.49 | MetalHead77 | The value of MONTH is based on an offset, seen in the table below: |
| 20:54.54 | MetalHead77 | http://pastebin.com/8iYAyJkL |
| 20:55.00 | MetalHead77 | To calculate the number for DATE, the following formula should be used: date entered % 7 |
| 20:55.07 | MetalHead77 | Once the formula for WEEKDAY is calculated, the table below is used to determine weekday. N.B - if the calculated value for weekday is more than 7 then do the following before using the table below: calculated value % 7 |
| 20:55.16 | greycat | date +%u -d "2011-$month-$day" |
| 20:55.24 | NoImNotNineVolt | ha |
| 20:55.32 | MetalHead77 | Here is the table below: |
| 20:55.39 | MetalHead77 | http://pastebin.com/51dsQ4WN |
| 20:55.49 | MetalHead77 | What's the best way to go about doing this? |
| 20:55.51 | NoImNotNineVolt | greycat++ |
| 20:55.54 | greycat | You might want an array to map 0..6 to Sunday..Saturday |
| 20:56.07 | NoImNotNineVolt | MetalHead77: your question was answered before you even finished asking it :P |
| 20:56.09 | greycat | err, I guess +%u actually does 1..7 |
| 20:56.17 | NoImNotNineVolt | pipe to mc |
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| 20:56.24 | MetalHead77 | NoImNotNineVolt, greycat: Can't use date |
| 20:56.40 | MetalHead77 | greycat: What do you mean? |
| 20:56.57 | greycat | MetalHead77: Fuck your homework. This is #debian. |
| 20:57.18 | GPenguin | haha |
| 20:57.29 | greycat | /msg greybot homework |
| 20:57.54 | NoImNotNineVolt | i second that. |
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| 21:00.18 | dokma | my box started mounting usb sticks as root ro... I'm on xfce4 |
| 21:00.30 | dokma | what's in charge of automounting usb sticks? |
| 21:00.48 | dokma | wheezy on the box |
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| 21:01.58 | sebboh | Are these instructions still valid? http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/apds03.html (Installing deb from existing linux via debootstrap) |
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| 21:03.47 | sebboh | dokma: on my system I have a package called usbmount which does that. But I don't think that's standard. Probably any tool that automounts a usb stick will write something to the syslog. |
| 21:04.24 | dokma | ahhh... good point about the syslog. didn't think of that |
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| 21:05.04 | bigterd | regarding mdadm any advice to safely fail and remove a raid5 disk, do a quick read only test of the mdX device, and readd the disk? |
| 21:05.34 | bigterd | i have a device on a controller i think that's puking my speeds, and id like to test read tests without upsetting the parity information on readding... |
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| 21:11.35 | frostschutz | bigterd, if you remove a disk, you lost redundancy at this point. if another disk fails in your test, you lost your raid |
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| 21:14.50 | frostschutz | bigterd, can't you just read with dd? like, for disk in sda sdb sdc ; do dd if=/dev/$disk bs=512k count=1000 & done and see which one finishes last |
| 21:15.17 | frostschutz | forgot of=/dev/null |
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| 21:16.33 | bigterd | i know. but only disk reads slow. curious if it's b0rking my array. |
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| 21:17.06 | bigterd | so i wanted to kill the one disk out of the array, in a clean state, and do a read test, then readd it in an assumed clean state, which it should be |
| 21:17.10 | sebboh | To answer my own question re: installing debian into a chroot from another linux.. there's better information here: https://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap |
| 21:17.24 | bigterd | only one disk reads slow |
| 21:18.08 | horrovac | Well if you know that, why do you want to preserve it? |
| 21:18.21 | bigterd | horrovac: me? or? |
| 21:18.28 | horrovac | Yes. |
| 21:19.41 | bigterd | each disk reads @ 200mb, , the flaky one reads at 80. curious if i remove the flakey from the mdX device, if my speeds will increase |
| 21:19.55 | bigterd | id liek to accoplish removing and adding without resyncing the whole array |
| 21:19.59 | jhutchins | Why would grub always go to the menu on reboot? |
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| 21:20.38 | NoImNotNineVolt | so that users could choose how to boot every time they boot. |
| 21:20.44 | horrovac | if you replace the disk you _have_ to rebuild it. |
| 21:21.00 | bigterd | horrovac: don't want to replace it. i plan to re-add it. |
| 21:21.10 | bigterd | i'm curious if the controller it's on is b-rking my speeds |
| 21:21.24 | bigterd | rather then pulling the plug, cleanly remove and readd, without resyncing. |
| 21:22.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | dokma, there's several things that automount... I suppose you installed an additional one (maybe as an dependency or recommend to another package)... as far as I see it, only the one belonging to the desktop environment can/will mount fat disks so the user appears as owning the files ... |
| 21:22.41 | horrovac | If that's LVM and all you want to do is change the controller you might actually just shutdown the machine and move the disk to another controller. LVM should be able to reassemble it, I believe. |
| 21:23.03 | horrovac | The LVM info is on the disk. |
| 21:23.22 | jhutchins | NoImNotNineVolt: I mean why as in what would cause the menu to come up every time. |
| 21:23.33 | jhutchins | NoImNotNineVolt: Like there's no default set. |
| 21:23.59 | horrovac | jhutchins: The menu always comes up. Default loads after the timeout. |
| 21:24.11 | jhutchins | NoImNotNineVolt: It's a server, the only choices are kernel and runlevel. |
| 21:24.22 | jhutchins | horrovac: Yeah, I guess the issue is it's not loading the default. |
| 21:24.36 | NoImNotNineVolt | there's no timer? |
| 21:24.43 | NoImNotNineVolt | i've never seen that. |
| 21:24.44 | horrovac | Or it's set wrong? |
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| 21:24.46 | jhutchins | NoImNotNineVolt: I come home and find it hung. |
| 21:25.03 | jhutchins | NoImNotNineVolt: I do remote reboots and it doesn't come back. |
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| 21:25.11 | sebboh | CutMeOwnThroat: well, if you only have one user on your system, you can configure one of the "root" automounters to mount as your user account. That's what I've done. |
| 21:25.26 | jhutchins | horrovac: I just can't think of any reason I'd have disabled the default. |
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| 21:25.48 | NoImNotNineVolt | i didn't know it was even possible to disable the timer and default. |
| 21:25.48 | jhutchins | horrovac: It could be something like a bad keyboard making it think a key was pressed. |
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| 21:26.10 | horrovac | Unlikely. |
| 21:26.22 | jhutchins | horrovac: Um, no, pretty likely with this hardware. |
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| 21:26.37 | sebboh | I think the grub config keyword you're looking for is timeout. |
| 21:26.40 | jhutchins | horrovac: Or at least possible. |
| 21:26.42 | horrovac | That would be a keyboard error and BIOS should detect that. |
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| 21:27.03 | jhutchins | horrovac: Unless it's set not to. |
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| 21:27.15 | horrovac | When it shows the menu it should also show a timer. |
| 21:27.24 | horrovac | Well unplug the keyboard and try it out. |
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| 21:28.00 | jhutchins | horrovac: I think the first thing to do is check the grub config when it comes back up and see if I've done something stupid. |
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| 21:28.11 | jhutchins | horrovac: That's still the most likely reason. |
| 21:28.11 | sebboh | jhutchins: look for keyword timeout. |
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| 21:29.10 | jhutchins | ...still checking... |
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| 21:29.36 | jhutchins | Now I remember why I like small OS partitions. |
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| 21:30.50 | horrovac | jhutchins: cat /boot/grub/grub.cfg | grep timeout |
| 21:31.02 | jhutchins | horrovac: Gotta finish the fsck first. |
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| 21:32.21 | horrovac | Ah ok. Well, good luck. I'll have to go now. |
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| 21:35.40 | dmbaturin | Hi! In debian, the Ada runtime is in packages like libgnat-4.6, libgnat-4.9 etc. Is there a general way to say "this package wants Ada runtime from GNAT > 4.x" without having to specify which the name of that package? |
| 21:36.01 | dmbaturin | - which |
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| 21:39.49 | Brigo | dmbaturin, yes, why did you need it? |
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| 21:40.53 | dmbaturin | Brigo: Well, I'd like to be able to build it for different debian versions without having to change the Depends field. |
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| 21:41.33 | Brigo | dmbaturin, try to ask in #debian-mentors in OFTC network (Debian oficial) |
| 21:42.25 | dmbaturin | I don't have any illusions about my ability to get it into debian. ;) |
| 21:43.29 | Brigo | dmbaturin, i know a package can provide a 'capcity' like web-browser or text-editor. |
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| 21:43.50 | Brigo | and others can depend not in packages but in this capacity provided by them. |
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| 21:44.02 | Brigo | But don't ask me how :) |
| 21:44.46 | Brigo | i think debian-mentors are the right channel for finding the people who can asnwer your question. |
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| 21:45.05 | Brigo | desipte if you want or no join Debian :D |
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| 21:45.11 | NoImNotNineVolt | well |
| 21:45.26 | NoImNotNineVolt | debian-mentors is specifically for packaging stuff for the debian repos. |
| 21:45.36 | NoImNotNineVolt | though they reluctantly help others as well :P |
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| 21:46.00 | dmbaturin | Ah, I see what you mean. There is no virtual package for Ada runtime apparently, so this won't work. |
| 21:46.13 | NoImNotNineVolt | https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-pkg_basics.en.html |
| 21:46.18 | NoImNotNineVolt | 7.8, virtual packages. |
| 21:47.02 | NoImNotNineVolt | you can have a huge enumeration in your depends line, bla >= x | bla2 >= y | bla3 >= z etc |
| 21:47.09 | NoImNotNineVolt | i don't know if that would work for you. |
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| 21:48.03 | sebboh | As I understand it, foo-1.0 | foo-2.0 would work for now but you'd have to update the depends if/when foo-3.0 comes along. |
| 21:48.05 | dmbaturin | NoImNotNineVolt: Hhm, that may be a feasible option. |
| 21:48.51 | NoImNotNineVolt | against my own wishes, i've gotten too good at hacking together packages that would make the maintainers cry :P |
| 21:49.01 | sebboh | perhaps asking the gnat maintainers to consider a virtualpackage would be a good idea. (If they say no, there might be some good reason.) |
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| 22:03.42 | ytrezq | Hello, I am really tired of systemd which was installed by default on jessie. I want sysv-rc back, or upgrade to Openrc |
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| 22:06.30 | FLHerne | ytrezq: Ok, so install sysvinit |
| 22:06.43 | FLHerne | But what issues are you having with systemd? |
| 22:07.11 | ytrezq | FLHerne: jessie installed may services as systemd only I am afrad of crash... |
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| 22:13.56 | ytrezq | FLHerne: I am fed up : it is a largely base which is far away of the KISS which represent https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_object. It canât work in chroot. It require a large kernel supplementary code with CONFIG_CGROUP so older version doesnât work. And it doesnât work with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operating-system-level_virtualization. |
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| 22:15.47 | ytrezq | And the fact that I need to use an old kernel and that they added code to crash the system without CONFIG_CGROUP (it was still working without not so long ago). Is the definte thing I wan to swtich to eudev/Openrc |
| 22:16.06 | FLHerne | ytrezq: Do you have any non-idealogical issues that can actually be helped? |
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| 22:17.53 | ytrezq | FLHerne: yes, start systemd without CONFIG_CGROUPS. But it seems they added C code recently to crash the init process intead of printing errors as it was before. |
| 22:18.34 | ytrezq | but this only one of the new issue I got specifivally due to systemd during the last mounts |
| 22:18.36 | ytrezq | but this only one of the new issue I got specifivally due to systemd during the last mounths |
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| 22:19.23 | jhutchins | Looks like F10 was stuck. |
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| 22:25.51 | jhutchins | ytrezq: Why not use stable if you need stability? |
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| 22:31.10 | ytrezq | jhutchins: thatâs not stabilty |
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| 22:32.21 | ytrezq | thatâs due to ideological antippaterns based designs which are present in all the distro which use systemd. |
| 22:32.40 | ytrezq | thatâs due to ideological anti-patterns based designs which are present in all the distro which use systemd. |
| 22:34.50 | ytrezq | I chose jessie because many packages are only in jessie. I donât had any stability problems. systems is the problem |
| 22:34.55 | ytrezq | I chose jessie because many packages are only in jessie. I donât had any stability problems. systemd is the problem |
| 22:35.10 | ytrezq | *the only |
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| 22:36.38 | centrx | ytrezq, You can use sysvinit if you want |
| 22:36.48 | ytrezq | the problem is systemd had already replaced sysv-rc and ùany services are systemd based. I am afraid simply rolling-back to initscripts would lead to an unbootable system. |
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| 22:37.24 | ytrezq | or at least a system which is the same state as with my kernel without CGROUP |
| 22:37.26 | ytrezq | or at least a system which is the same state as with my kernel without CGROUPS |
| 22:37.46 | teraflop | wtf |
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| 22:38.59 | ytrezq | the current guides I saw explain how to install debian without systemd not how to revert to the old system when systemd is already installed. |
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| 22:48.49 | sebboh | jhutchins: a key was stuck, huh? I did not expect that. :) |
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| 22:50.49 | jhutchins | sebboh: I need to clean the thing up. It's in a very old basement. |
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| 22:51.30 | jhutchins | sebboh: I've fixed that before, which is why I wasn't sure that's what it was. Didn't stay fixed I guess. |
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| 22:54.57 | jhutchins | ytrezq: I would think a reinstall would be reasonable given the trouble you've had. |
| 22:55.24 | ytrezq | jhutchins: and how am I supposed to install those packages? |
| 22:55.27 | jhutchins | ytrezq: Also, the recommended method of installing jessie is to install wheezy then "upgrade" - which will by default leave you with init. |
| 22:55.52 | ytrezq | jhutchins: this was I did. and it installed systemd |
| 22:55.57 | ytrezq | with apt-get update |
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| 22:56.35 | jhutchins | is skeptical. |
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| 23:10.06 | nononono_ | I have finally created bootable USB. Guess how? |
| 23:11.01 | jhutchins | ytrezq: Others have confirmed that upgrading preserves init. |
| 23:11.10 | nononono_ | https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en#idp6357008 Very simple - Linux did it, Windows applications couldn't do it |
| 23:11.28 | jhutchins | Clean install of jessie defaults to systemd, but it's optional. |
| 23:11.31 | ytrezq | jhutchins: those packages are marked as depending of systemd |
| 23:11.47 | nononono_ | I'm installing Jessie because of systemd |
| 23:12.00 | ytrezq | so when you install network-manager for example it know install systemd |
| 23:12.01 | jhutchins | nononono_: You can run systemd on wheezy. |
| 23:12.15 | ytrezq | nononono_: correct |
| 23:12.17 | jhutchins | ytrezq: Then you're doing it wrong. |
| 23:13.04 | nononono_ | How does multiarch differ from single 64-bit or i386? Does it boot longer or take more space? |
| 23:13.19 | ytrezq | jhutchins: No, those guide are no longer true. |
| 23:13.37 | jhutchins | nononono_: It includes 32bit libraries and the mechanism to allow programs to find the right lib. |
| 23:13.38 | ytrezq | jhutchins: Many core packages depend of the systemd package know |
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| 23:14.39 | jhutchins | ytrezq: init support is maintained in jessie. It's just not the default, and if you're not reading the docs and paying attention it's going to do systemd. |
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| 23:15.16 | nononono_ | but I have to do it again because of lack of WiFi drivers in standard installation - or can I just add these non-free drivers to my existing bootable USB key? |
| 23:15.33 | nononono_ | or do I have to download ISO netinst with non-free drivers? |
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| 23:17.38 | ytrezq | jhutchins: and the docs are not up to date |
| 23:18.23 | ytrezq | I am using Wi-Fi, I need network-manager |
| 23:18.44 | jhutchins | ytrezq: That's one of the risks of running testing - docs are some of the last things to be completed, because there's no point until the software is done changing. |
| 23:18.47 | Brigo | nononono_, i think download na netinstall with non-free will be the easier way. |
| 23:19.27 | jhutchins | ytrezq: You can have systemd installed and still not use it. |
| 23:19.30 | Brigo | nononono_, you can download it from this link: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
| 23:19.37 | ytrezq | and the docs arenât the problem. |
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| 23:20.31 | nononono_ | I have just found it |
| 23:20.38 | ytrezq | jhutchins: Yes, but as systemd can only start service if it the real init system things like networking wonât work. |
| 23:21.36 | jhutchins | ytrezq: I very much doubt that's the case. |
| 23:22.05 | jhutchins | ytrezq: systemd is a RedHat developed platform, and they have guaranteed full SysV support through EL7. |
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| 23:22.40 | reavengrey | yay jessie freeze |
| 23:22.48 | jhutchins | ytrezq: It might take a different package for network-manager-sysv, but it's supported. |
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| 23:23.11 | jhutchins | ytrezq: If you have specific questions on how to get there, jessie is actually supported in #debian-next on oftc.net. |
| 23:23.26 | jhutchins | ytrezq: If you just want to rant about systemd the support channels are not the right place. |
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| 23:23.56 | reavengrey | is dpkg offline? |
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| 23:24.07 | reavengrey | !tell reavengrey about jessie freeze |
| 23:24.24 | jhutchins | ytrezq: I believe that the debate about whether systemd is the right solution is still valid, but the support channels are not the appropriate forum. |
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| 23:24.39 | reavengrey | Msging the bot doesn't produce results, it doesn't respond :O |
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| 23:25.14 | jhutchins | !wake up! |
| 23:25.15 | dpkg | jhutchins: I'm already awake! :) |
| 23:25.37 | jhutchins | !botsnack |
| 23:25.37 | dpkg | aw, gee, jhutchins |
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| 23:26.50 | ytrezq | jhutchins: no there no alternative packages. systemd support full SysV scripts but SysV scripts doesnât support the new systemd method which is the case for some packages. https://packages.debian.org/jessie/network-manager rely on several packages which rely on systemd themselves. |
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| 23:27.14 | ytrezq | jhutchins: no there no alternative packages. systemd support full SysV scripts but SysV scripts doesnât support the new systemd method which is the case for some packages. As you can see on this page : https://packages.debian.org/jessie/network-manager rely on several packages which rely on systemd themselves. |
| 23:27.27 | acz32 | dpkg says jessie will be released in time for easter |
| 23:27.27 | dpkg | acz32: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 23:27.54 | jhutchins | acz32: Which is why you should never trust a specific release date. |
| 23:28.31 | nononono_ | Any way to add files to "firmware" directory to bootable USB? Access denied to all. I tried to remount mount -o remount,rw /pendrive /dev/sdb but I need to specify filesystem. To obtain it, I try to fdisk -l /dev/sdb but it does nothing. Any solution to write new files to pendrive? |
| 23:29.18 | jhutchins | nononono_: If you want to add files to a bootable iso you need to extract the filesystem, make your changes, then remaster the iso. |
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| 23:30.00 | jhutchins | nononono_: THere are some packages that automate that process but I'm drawing a blank on the name. |
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| 23:31.08 | jhutchins | !info isomaster |
| 23:31.44 | nononono_ | jhutchins: well, it will be faster to download non-US version of .iso |
| 23:31.59 | jhutchins | ,info isomaster |
| 23:32.00 | judd | Package isomaster (otherosfs, optional) in wheezy/i386: Graphical CD image editor. Version: 1.3.9-1; Size: 217.5k; Installed: 1146k; Homepage: http://www.littlesvr.ca/isomaster/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/isomaster |
| 23:32.04 | dpkg | isomaster: (Graphical CD image editor), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 1.3.9-2 (sid), Packaged size: 170 kB, Installed size: 1142 kB |
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| 23:32.48 | hassoon | he doesn't need isomaster for what he wants to do |
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| 23:33.24 | jhutchins | hassoon: It's one solution, specific to what he asked. |
| 23:34.09 | hassoon | jhutchins: he wants to add files to a usb driver |
| 23:34.16 | hassoon | isomaster adds files to an iso |
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| 23:35.11 | nononono_ | Are these non-free firmware illegal in US or do they want to comply FSF "free-only" law? |
| 23:35.28 | hassoon | nononono_: is your one issue adding files to a mere pen drive ? |
| 23:35.32 | jhutchins | nononono_: it's the FSF thing, they're legal. |
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| 23:36.36 | jhutchins | hassoon: The installer iso isn't a standard filesystem. |
| 23:36.38 | nononono_ | why not just add the option "install non-free drivers" to standard ISO? Think about it, Debian! |
| 23:36.59 | hassoon | nononono_: Enlight me please, i'm confused |
| 23:37.14 | jhutchins | !firmware |
| 23:37.14 | dpkg | Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
| 23:37.21 | nononono_ | hassoon: there is no problem, I just downloaded unofficial .is |
| 23:37.36 | jhutchins | nononono_: There used to be an option to prompt for a floppy with the firmware, I'm not sure how that has evolved. |
| 23:37.38 | nononono_ | unofficial iso contains non-free firmware |
| 23:37.58 | hassoon | i think i misunderstood it all anyway good luck. |
| 23:38.06 | blackflow | ask me about <search> ? dat a bug? |
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| 23:39.20 | nononono_ | Last question - is it enough to do cp debian.iso /dev/sdb to replace previous pendrive contents (smaller size) with new contents (bigger size) or do I have to format it first? |
| 23:40.56 | hassoon | you have to mount /dev/sdbX first, then copy to the mounted devince, which is a folder |
| 23:41.01 | hassoon | *device |
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| 23:41.25 | nononono_ | hassoon: but there is previous ISO contents on pendrive |
| 23:41.39 | nononono_ | should be pendrive formatted before copying new ISO files? |
| 23:41.41 | sailcat | nononono_, you can get an iso with the non-free firmware from: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/7.8.0-live+nonfree |
| 23:41.49 | hassoon | nononono_: yeah preceed the cp command with rm -r * |
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| 23:46.24 | ytrezq | jhutchins: Yes, and I could have done it myself. but for how much time? |
| 23:46.56 | ytrezq | sorry forgot the scrollbar |
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| 23:48.08 | jhutchins | ytrezq: network-manager requries some systemd components but does not require systemd boot: http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=37871 |
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| 23:52.06 | ytrezq | jhutchins: yes, and as I said, those components require systemd https://packages.debian.org/jessie/network-manager https://packages.debian.org/jessie/libpam-systemd |
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| 23:53.13 | ytrezq | but You are correct : they donât require systemd at runtime. |
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| 23:53.54 | ytrezq | but on debian you canât use the auto package installer with broken dependencies. |
| 23:54.02 | ytrezq | unlike RPM |
| 23:54.58 | jhutchins | ytrezq: Maybe you can't. I can. |
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| 23:55.50 | jhutchins | ytrezq: If you have a specific support question, please ask it. If you just want to complain this isn't the place. |
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| 23:56.08 | jhutchins | ytrezq: What did you try to do? How did you try to do it? What did you expect to happen? What happened instead? |
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| 23:56.21 | jhutchins | ytrezq: That we can help with. |
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| 23:57.45 | ytrezq | Yes the question was how to get reed of systemd dependencies which are part of the core system. And you are insisting that I am wrong and that such dependencies doesnât exist |
| 23:59.03 | jhutchins | ytrezq: Build the packages yourself. That's "how". |
| 23:59.27 | jhutchins | ytrezq: jessie incorporates systemd. That's reality. |
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