| 00:00.03 | jennunix | anyone want to give a hand with some samba permiossions? |
| 00:00.14 | jennunix | ive ran out of obvious settings to change, so i came her.e |
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| 00:02.48 | dgeary2 | jennunix, please explain the problem |
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| 00:07.16 | jennunix | smbclient won't acces share. NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED |
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| 00:07.33 | jennunix | if i enable guest ok on samba server, it lets me browse |
| 00:08.03 | jennunix | i added a valid users entry to the share, with the user name, that's added on the server, same result. |
| 00:08.21 | jennunix | file persmissions, everyone has read/write to the folder. |
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| 00:09.07 | Cullz | Is there an easy way to view and set permissions in Jessie? I recently moved the contents of a partition to my / partition and it's read only |
| 00:10.09 | jennunix | i also added username to a gropu, and changed ownership of the share as the same group, same authenication isues. |
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| 00:10.40 | Cullz | could I set read/write permissions for an entire folder (incl. sub folders) ? |
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| 00:12.32 | jennunix | dgeary2: /mnt/share is root:test, user1 is part of group test, group test is added, and chmod 777 to /mnt/share, just to eliminate possible variables. |
| 00:14.12 | dgeary2 | jennunix, what is the desired behaviour? |
| 00:14.33 | jennunix | have read access from smbclient from 2nd box |
| 00:14.43 | Cullz | think I found it |
| 00:15.27 | jennunix | dgeary2: i'm assuming i have a file/folder permission issue or a config issue with samba, as the username has been properly added to the server ,and the client does attempt to authenicate |
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| 00:16.39 | dgeary2 | jennunix, i'm assuming you want access to the share authenticated with a username and password. is that correct? |
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| 00:17.18 | jennunix | dgeary2: yes. |
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| 00:17.55 | jennunix | dgeary2: i've added the approiate username on the server, and enabled username authenication in smb.conf. client still rejects authenication. |
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| 00:18.06 | dgeary2 | jennunix, what credentials store does samba use? |
| 00:19.11 | jennunix | dgeary2: nothing of credentials mentioned in the smb.conf? |
| 00:19.59 | dgeary2 | jennunix, when you attempt to authenticate to samba, what is it comparing the username and password against? |
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| 00:20.37 | jennunix | dgeary2: the username and pasword on the local system? i'm assuming? |
| 00:21.01 | dgeary2 | jennunix, that assumption probably needs to be checked |
| 00:21.11 | jennunix | i used useradd and added the username. |
| 00:21.36 | zh1 | installed cisco packet tracer 6.2 on a debian wheezy 7.8.0 32bits, but it ain't starting ,i wanna remove packet tracer completely but i'm not sure what is proper way, how can i do this? |
| 00:21.56 | tapout | is there a way to have find calling getdents with a larger buffer? |
| 00:22.26 | jennunix | dgeary2: unless samba is checking username and passwords from some where else? |
| 00:22.27 | mtn_ | zh1: how did you install it? |
| 00:22.35 | dvs | jennunix: You have to specify the username and password as part of the mount command. |
| 00:22.46 | dgeary2 | jennunix, you said if you set 'valid users', it lets you browse. did i interpret that correctly? |
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| 00:23.22 | dgeary2 | jennunix, samba can check usernames and passwords against its own credential store (man smbpasswd) |
| 00:23.29 | jennunix | smbclient \\\\BACKUPSERVER\\BACKUPS -U user1 is what i'm using to access the samba server |
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| 00:25.46 | jennunix | haha, that's what it was |
| 00:25.59 | jennunix | forgot to addaccont with smbpasswd |
| 00:26.02 | jennunix | :/ |
| 00:26.32 | zh1 | mtn_, https://paste.debian.net/166197/ |
| 00:26.34 | dgeary2 | jennunix, well done |
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| 00:26.50 | jennunix | wasn't aware there's a middle man of authennication in there. |
| 00:26.58 | zh1 | mtn_, im not sure if i done it on the best way |
| 00:27.33 | mtn_ | zh1: it is possible there is an uninstall command that can be run in that same directory. or you could read the readme or install file that came with it |
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| 00:29.27 | zh1 | mtn_, let me look at that |
| 00:32.15 | zh1 | mtn_, i dont see any specific instructions on the package |
| 00:33.04 | mtn_ | zh1: then you will need to check their website. this is why it is better to use the package manager and debian packages |
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| 00:34.25 | zh1 | mtn_, their site only has a tar gz |
| 00:34.49 | mtn_ | zh1: no forums? no mail list? google has no answers? |
| 00:35.14 | zh1 | mtn_, i found some info but not too good |
| 00:35.39 | mtn_ | zh1: did you try doing the uninstall command? |
| 00:35.50 | zh1 | mtn_, i was able to run this on ubuntu and lubuntu but on debian cant get how to start this |
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| 00:36.28 | zh1 | mtn_, you mean apt-get remove? there is no file uninstall on package that i have seen |
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| 00:37.07 | mtn_ | zh1: remember the paste you showed me? you ran an install command. how about trying a uninstall command the same way? |
| 00:37.31 | zh1 | mtn_, ok gonna try it |
| 00:37.56 | zh1 | mtn_, get no such file error |
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| 00:40.55 | zh1 | mtn_, if u wanna i can show package maybe you know how to do this better |
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| 00:41.54 | mtn_ | zh1: no thanks. almost always those sort of files come with instructions after they are extracted. if not, you are on your own I guess. |
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| 00:43.54 | zh1 | mtn_, this is a cisco package, i already was thinking that i was more on my own but if you say that... |
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| 00:52.20 | zh1 | mtn, anyway.. thanks for the helps |
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| 01:33.04 | likecolacola | Hey... what do this do? wget -O - https://nightly.odoo.com/odoo.key | apt-key add - |
| 01:33.36 | likecolacola | nvm i am reading the man on apt-key |
| 01:33.39 | dvs | adds a signing key |
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| 01:42.21 | kWO901 | i would like to run apps on another machine? what would i need? sheel, bnc... ? |
| 01:42.30 | dvs | vnc |
| 01:43.49 | Guest19120 | I'm running Deluge bittorrent client via my raspberry pi which is running raspbian. No matter what I do I keep having an issue with my permissions. I tried changing them all to 7777 but that seems to have only made matters worse. |
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| 02:02.43 | mital | hi.. I want to download debian minimal installation iso for server side vmware installation.. can you suggest which one I should use .. looking at so many options here https://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ I am not sure which version would best suite |
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| 02:08.19 | somiaj | mital: just grab the netinstall image (unless you wanted pxe-boot) |
| 02:08.38 | mital | somiaj: should I get the amd64 one ? |
| 02:08.38 | somiaj | mital: the name is a bit misleading, the netinstall image has a 'minimial' base system on it, and then gets all additional packages you want from the net. |
| 02:08.48 | mital | oh ok |
| 02:08.55 | somiaj | mital: depends on your needs, amd64 is both intel/amd64 bit, and i386 is 32bit. |
| 02:09.15 | mital | yes 64 bit is what I want |
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| 02:12.09 | mital | somiaj: âNetwork install from a minimal CDâ https://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ is this correct iso ? |
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| 02:12.56 | somiaj | it will be called netinstall, you can get the amd64, the i386 (or there is a bigger image that has both options) |
| 02:13.12 | somiaj | again I'd look on the cddirectory on the mirror as opposed to the links from the webpage, but yea you got it |
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| 02:18.28 | fling | Where to get the default trisquel kernel config for a recent kernel version? |
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| 02:19.12 | somiaj | what is a trisquel kernel? |
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| 02:19.56 | corndog | Hey guys |
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| 02:24.04 | psiforce | I having a really weird problem with my network. I have an adsl router (192.168.1.1) which routes vpn traffic (192.168.10.x) to my linux box (192.168.1.2). The linux box then nats traffic to the vpn network. Given lan clients are on the same lan 192.168.1.x, return traffic is sent directly back to the client (i.e. not via the adsl router). This all worked fine until I upgraded my macbook to OS X 10.10.3 . It appears that this update does |
| 02:24.04 | psiforce | like the asymmetrical nature of the traffic where responses are returned via a different ip. I can work around the issue by setting the gateway to be the linux server or adding a static route. However, I am wondering if there are some iptables rules I can write to direct return vpn traffic via the same path (i.e. via the adsl router). |
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| 02:31.56 | BenLue_ | hello, were can i get the package python3-networkx for Wheezy? |
| 02:32.42 | somiaj | ,v python3-networkx |
| 02:32.43 | judd | Package: python3-networkx on i386 -- sid: 1.9+dfsg1-1; jessie: 1.9+dfsg1-1 |
| 02:32.55 | somiaj | ,check-backport python3-networkx |
| 02:33.09 | judd | Backporting package python3-networkx in sidâwheezy/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends-Indep: python-decorator (>= 3.4.0), python-numpydoc. |
| 02:33.23 | somiaj | ,v python-decorator |
| 02:33.24 | judd | Package: python-decorator on i386 -- squeeze: 3.2.0-1; wheezy: 3.3.3-1; jessie: 3.4.0-2; sid: 3.4.0-2 |
| 02:33.44 | somiaj | BenLue_: doesn't look like you can easily 'backport' it, as it depends on other packages not in wheezy. |
| 02:34.03 | BenLue_ | hmm |
| 02:34.06 | somiaj | but you could try to backport it and other things that need it like bacport python-decorator |
| 02:34.12 | somiaj | ,check-backport python-decorator |
| 02:34.13 | judd | Backporting package python-decorator in sidâwheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy. |
| 02:34.19 | somiaj | !tell BenLue_ about ssb |
| 02:34.42 | somiaj | you might be able to follow those instructions to first backport python-decorator, then backport the package you want and thus be running them from jessie. |
| 02:35.02 | somiaj | some python stuff (like modules you can import) can be installed locally, but might ask python support about that. |
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| 02:35.29 | BenLue_ | somiaj thanks for this helpfull information |
| 02:35.52 | somiaj | there are also tools to package stuff you get from what ever pythons equivlant of CPAN is (I forget at the moment). |
| 02:36.19 | BenLue_ | ok :D |
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| 02:41.42 | BenLue_ | somiaj i see its possible to install with pip3 |
| 02:41.53 | BenLue_ | but i dount know the package :/ |
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| 02:43.02 | somiaj | I haevn't done much with extra python packages. I do recall I created one with dh_python once, but personally I try to use debian stuff when I can. I would suggest backporting the pacakges from jessie. It is only two, and I think the backport shoudlnt' be to hard (since it is really python and not much compiling needed) |
| 02:43.33 | somiaj | i.e. only requirement is it runs on the version of python shipped with wheezy. |
| 02:43.41 | BenLue_ | ahh okay |
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| 02:50.17 | gerforce | hello, there. Could i ask a small question non-relevant with Debian here? |
| 02:50.49 | rabbitear_sdf | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:51.18 | somiaj | gerforce: we try to keep on topic here, there is ##linux if you are looking for general linux support, and plenty of off-topic channels if you want to try to spark up a conversation. |
| 02:54.53 | gerforce | somiaj: yes, thanks. It's about the disk partition differences between different areas. |
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| 02:55.49 | somiaj | gerforce: there is ##hardware for hardware support. Also for how to manage or partition advise for debian systems is on topic here. |
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| 02:58.14 | gerforce | somiaj: thanks. i will try there. So kind of you. |
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| 03:36.03 | psiforce | I having a really weird problem with my network. I have an adsl router (192.168.1.1) which routes vpn traffic (192.168.10.x) to my linux box (192.168.1.2). The linux box then nats traffic to the vpn network. Given lan clients are on the same lan 192.168.1.x, return traffic is sent directly back to the client (i.e. not via the adsl router). This all worked fine until I upgraded my macbook to OS X 10.10.3 . It appears that this update does |
| 03:36.03 | psiforce | like the asymmetrical nature of the traffic where responses are returned via a different ip. I can work around the issue by setting the gateway to be the linux server or adding a static route. However, I am wondering if there are some iptables rules I can write to direct return vpn traffic via the same path (i.e. via the adsl router). |
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| 03:51.25 | quadbob | hi |
| 03:51.34 | quadbob | anyone know about easycap device for video capture? |
| 03:51.53 | quadbob | Im trying to get it to work on debian through vlc, but cant get it to be recognized as a video capture device |
| 03:52.38 | somiaj | quadbob: is it usb? |
| 03:52.42 | quadbob | yes |
| 03:52.48 | quadbob | usb video capture device |
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| 03:53.19 | somiaj | quadbob: standard debugging is identify what chipset it is actually using, and see what support for that chipset is. After you plug it in, do you see anything in the output of 'dmesg' (the end) that describes what your kernel is trying to do with the device? |
| 03:53.35 | somiaj | to identify more info about the actual chipset, look at the output of 'lsusb' |
| 03:53.50 | quadbob | i try lsusb and it shows as a blank slot |
| 03:53.57 | quadbob | has an ID but no desc |
| 03:54.13 | somiaj | what kernel are you using? 3.2 on debian wheezy? |
| 03:54.32 | quadbob | how can I check? |
| 03:55.12 | somiaj | uname -a will tell me what kernel you are running |
| 03:55.32 | quadbob | yes 3.2 |
| 03:55.39 | quadbob | on debain 3.2.0 |
| 03:56.17 | somiaj | !tell quadbob about wheezy-backports |
| 03:56.40 | quadbob | ? |
| 03:56.45 | somiaj | you can install a 3.16 kernel from wheezy backports. It could be that this newer kernel will support your device because the kernel in wheezy may not have the drivers. |
| 03:57.09 | quadbob | its not a new device |
| 03:57.09 | somiaj | Unsure what the actual device is, this is just a 'blanket guess'. Run a newer kernel, hope the device is supported there. If not you may have to do more research. |
| 03:57.45 | somiaj | well maybe it needs newer drivers. The other thing is look up the usbid and find more info on the device, and check the output of dmesg, what does it say when you plug in the device. |
| 03:58.10 | somiaj | (also sometimes the update to drivers is just adding more usbids that are recongized and drivers autmoatically laoded) |
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| 04:25.39 | belak | Are there any tips for making debian on a flash drive faster? |
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| 04:29.51 | somiaj | belak: like usb flash driver, sd card? Isn't the problem the fact the usb bus is slow? |
| 04:30.08 | somiaj | belak: ever think of running a live image with persistance over running off the flashdrive? |
| 04:30.43 | belak | I mean... that shouldn't be that much faster... since eventually all the packages will be replaced anyway |
| 04:32.36 | somiaj | what do you mean? live systems can be a lot faster since it uses a memeory drive for teh root fs making drive reads a lot faster (still have to laod some stuff from the flash drive now and then) but once running should be faster provided you have the memory |
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| 04:45.47 | future28 | Hey there, does anyone use Deb on a lenovo x1 carbon? |
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| 04:46.17 | future28 | If yes, how good is the support for wireless? |
| 04:46.28 | somiaj | future28: best to ask the actual question you have about this. Are you thinking about buying hardware or do you have that hardware. |
| 04:46.40 | somiaj | you will have to check the actual wireless chip it uses, but usually support is good. |
| 04:47.13 | future28 | somiaj: I've bought the hardware, it's shipping. I use deb currently but am happy to jump to another distro if support is poor, I know other distros have decent support. I am sure deb will be fine :) |
| 04:47.15 | somiaj | Do you know anything about what chip it uses? |
| 04:47.37 | somiaj | you may just need to install the kenrel from wheezy-backports or use jessie |
| 04:48.07 | somiaj | but hardware support is usually fine (it is more attached to the kernel than the distribution and debian provideds newer kernels via backprts (things are just a bit lagged right now waiting for the jessie release) |
| 04:48.12 | future28 | somiaj: Will be using Jessie |
| 04:48.42 | somiaj | if you need a newer kernel than 3.16, you can try the one from experimential, compile your own, or wait until after the jessie release. |
| 04:48.56 | somiaj | in which one will be bacported fairly shortly |
| 04:48.59 | somiaj | (I am assuming) |
| 04:49.04 | future28 | Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 7265 (2x2, 802.11ac/a/b/g/n) |
| 04:49.23 | future28 | somiaj: Cool, sounds good. Looks like firmware-iwlwifi works! |
| 04:49.26 | somiaj | I'm using the 7260 just fine, I think that should be supported. intel just requires non-free firmware |
| 04:50.10 | future28 | somiaj: I have major issues with my current atheros chipset, bug has never been fixed. Something to do with power save mode. I have it disabled :( |
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| 04:51.00 | future28 | I must say, the gnome3 (not sure which it is) in testing is MUCH better than the current stable |
| 04:52.08 | somiaj | well wheezy was frozen with a fairly new gnome3 release, at lest they improved some things I hear. (: |
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| 04:53.31 | future28 | somiaj: I was having crippling issues, frozen displays and such |
| 04:54.11 | future28 | somiaj: Anyway, thanks. I found some more info and it looks like debian works just great with the lenovo. I am excited about it as I feel that lenovo have very great hardware and build quality |
| 04:54.40 | somiaj | just like any laptop company depends on the model, they have their value line producst too (: |
| 04:55.02 | rabbitear_sdf | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbmFTK4t3JU |
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| 05:11.54 | breedx | So I have my server set up to relay mail through a remote smarthost. Sending from the commandline and /etc/cron.hourly work fine, but for some reason scripts in /etc/cron.daily that I know are running don't seem to send email. |
| 05:12.23 | breedx | I do note that /etc/crontab has a slightly different syntax for /etc/cron.daily vs. /etc/cron.hourly -- but I can't figure out why it won't email. |
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| 05:36.00 | atgnag | apt-get -f doesn't work because of a file collision. |
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| 05:36.38 | atgnag | But when I try to remove a package that's causing the collision, it complains about broken dependencies. |
| 05:36.41 | atgnag | How do I fix this? |
| 05:38.28 | atgnag | Here's what I'm talking about. https://pastee.org/6zg5z |
| 05:38.53 | hgl | I want to run a script when my network is up. so I put in /etc/network/if-up.d, and running ifup -a tells me it get ran. but when I restart the box, it's not run. what might be the problem? I'm using debian 7 inside openvz. |
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| 05:48.33 | crippledmonk | atgnag: I haven't dealt with that in a long time but look into sudo dpkg --configure -a second check that i could be off. |
| 05:50.34 | HurricaneChaser | Hi im looking for an easy good solution to monitor a program internet activity. netstat -p could do but also ads alot stuff. im loking for some sord sandbox were i start a program and monitore all internet activity |
| 05:51.14 | HurricaneChaser | i want check what atom.io ide is sending to internet |
| 05:52.36 | HurricaneChaser | so i need to start atom inside some sord sandbox |
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| 08:05.24 | hunteriam | how do i remove the debian skin from gnome 3 |
| 08:05.27 | hunteriam | i just want regular gnome |
| 08:05.30 | hunteriam | not debain themed |
| 08:05.37 | hunteriam | i just want default config |
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| 08:08.06 | GPenguin | hunteriam: open the settings and select background and change it to whatever you like |
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| 08:09.26 | hunteriam | GPenguin: thats not all iw anted removed |
| 08:09.29 | hunteriam | i just wanted default gnome |
| 08:09.35 | hunteriam | debian changes some icons and who knows what else |
| 08:09.42 | hunteriam | i just want the guarentee its original gnome |
| 08:10.14 | GPenguin | then go to the packages.debian.org website, find your package, fetch the diff with all the changes and revert what you dont want |
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| 08:10.31 | babilen | You won't ever get that unless you compile it yourself. That being said: #debian-gnome on irc.oftc.net might have some ideas |
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| 08:11.26 | hunteriam | it cant b e that hard to delete the skin and get the default skin... |
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| 08:11.54 | GPenguin | nobody said its hard |
| 08:12.01 | hunteriam | i did |
| 08:12.12 | hunteriam | it was an analysis of what you suggested |
| 08:12.21 | GPenguin | good luck with that attitude on OFTC |
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| 08:13.50 | hunteriam | so does anyone have any simpler suggestions? |
| 08:13.54 | hunteriam | i cant imagine its that complex |
| 08:14.10 | gry | um, compile the original gnome by hand? |
| 08:14.11 | GPenguin | nice social engineering tactics |
| 08:14.20 | hunteriam | social engineeering? |
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| 08:14.46 | GPenguin | get the diff and change what you dislike |
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| 08:14.54 | hunteriam | i heard you |
| 08:15.00 | hunteriam | im looking for an easier solution |
| 08:15.00 | gry | and? |
| 08:15.01 | hunteriam | like i said |
| 08:15.16 | hunteriam | gry: does the one on packages.debian use the skin? |
| 08:15.16 | gry | there is none, unless you send beer to someone for packaging a 'more-original' deb |
| 08:15.19 | buu | Here are some gnome themes http://gnome-look.org/ |
| 08:15.44 | hunteriam | well isnt there a default gnome theme |
| 08:15.53 | hunteriam | or does every distro choose their own |
| 08:16.16 | valdyn | in debian, the default is the original + changed background images |
| 08:16.23 | valdyn | last i checked anyway |
| 08:16.33 | hunteriam | the one in arch and fedora is considerably different than the one im looking at in the live image |
| 08:16.56 | hunteriam | does debian just ship an older version or did they cahnge the icons as well perhaps? |
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| 08:17.12 | valdyn | hunteriam: dont know about arch, but fedora of course want to have their branding |
| 08:17.13 | gry | hunteriam: debian uses xfce by default, and i use something else, so i have no idea - the #debian-gnome channel should be better suited for your needs. iirc gnome uses a default skin which is the same as what debian uses, as it was a lot of their effort into making it engine-agnostic, but i forgot its name. |
| 08:17.21 | hunteriam | gnome 3 |
| 08:17.29 | gry | hunteriam: likely an (at least slightly) different icon set. |
| 08:17.34 | jelly | gry: actually, debian 7 and 8 have gnome as default DE |
| 08:17.49 | gry | OH. sorry, i stand corrected |
| 08:17.51 | hunteriam | i dont understand why i got accused of social engineering |
| 08:17.53 | hunteriam | thats so weird to me |
| 08:17.56 | hunteriam | but thanks anyways |
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| 08:18.06 | valdyn | hunteriam: look at he diff |
| 08:18.07 | gry | (is 8 same as jessie?) |
| 08:18.10 | valdyn | hunteriam: its not even hard |
| 08:18.26 | valdyn | hunteriam: but its probably alot of diffs |
| 08:18.26 | hunteriam | sounds hard |
| 08:18.29 | jelly | gry: jessie is the codename for what will be released as debian 8, yes |
| 08:18.33 | babilen | gry: jessie is the codename of Debian 8 |
| 08:18.37 | gry | ta |
| 08:18.56 | hunteriam | wheezy is 7? |
| 08:19.04 | bdog7 | yes |
| 08:19.23 | hunteriam | do i seem like im social engineering to anyone else |
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| 08:19.44 | hunteriam | hm why does debian use master boot record instead of gpt? |
| 08:19.46 | GPenguin | with your "its not that hard, come on provide me with help" stuff you were |
| 08:20.09 | jelly | hunteriam, GPenguin: let's stick to technical arguments please |
| 08:20.20 | GPenguin | yes, let's |
| 08:20.26 | Celexi | hunteriam it can use gpt unless i am wrong |
| 08:20.31 | babilen | hunteriam: Depends on how you boot it, if you boot it in legacy mode it will (and if the disk is not using gpt already) |
| 08:20.34 | hunteriam | it doesnt offer it in the installer |
| 08:20.41 | hunteriam | gah i wanted to boot it via uefi but it didnt offer |
| 08:20.50 | babilen | Just boot it via uefi |
| 08:20.51 | hunteriam | now ive got all this old crap on my hard drive |
| 08:20.56 | hunteriam | didnt get the option to |
| 08:20.57 | Celexi | are you sure you downloaded the right iso ? |
| 08:21.03 | hunteriam | not at all |
| 08:21.10 | hunteriam | amd64 usb |
| 08:21.13 | Celexi | last time i tried i booted the install media fine via uefi |
| 08:21.24 | hunteriam | i wasnt given the option to boot via uefi |
| 08:21.25 | hunteriam | only legacy |
| 08:21.27 | jelly | hunteriam: are you using the jessie rc2 installer or something else? |
| 08:21.27 | hunteriam | no clue why |
| 08:21.31 | hunteriam | wheezy |
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| 08:21.40 | hunteriam | the wheezy iso on a flash drive |
| 08:21.44 | hunteriam | maybe the wrong iso idk |
| 08:21.44 | jelly | wheezy didn't have a lot of support for uefi |
| 08:21.48 | babilen | hunteriam: It is not an option of the installer and please try to focus on technical issues. Statements such as "now ive got all this old crap on my hard drive" don't help at ll |
| 08:21.56 | hunteriam | well i mean i didnt want to download the o ld one |
| 08:22.32 | jelly | hunteriam: if mbr works and your drive is smaller than 2TB, you'll be just fine |
| 08:22.39 | hunteriam | could someone point me to a more appropriate image |
| 08:22.42 | hunteriam | id rather just reinstall |
| 08:23.09 | valdyn | hunteriam: the jessie instaler may be better than you |
| 08:23.13 | babilen | hunteriam: There is none, you just boot the image you have in UEFI mode. That is up to your bios/hardware. I would, however, recommend to install jessie at this point. |
| 08:23.14 | valdyn | hunteriam: the jessie instaler may be better *for* you |
| 08:23.23 | babilen | valdyn: hehe |
| 08:23.25 | hunteriam | babilen: its not offered by my bios |
| 08:23.33 | hunteriam | *for*? |
| 08:23.48 | babilen | hunteriam: If your hardware doesn't support it how do you expect to use it? |
| 08:24.06 | hunteriam | babilen: the iso i put on this usb wasnt offered to boot in uefi modde |
| 08:24.13 | hunteriam | i have 4 other uefi devices boot just fine |
| 08:24.16 | hunteriam | this usb device, no |
| 08:24.22 | babilen | There is no question. You simply boot it in non legacy mode. |
| 08:24.30 | hunteriam | every other boot image i put on the usb, i get the uefi option |
| 08:24.31 | hunteriam | not now |
| 08:24.58 | hunteriam | i suspect thats because its wheezy |
| 08:25.00 | hunteriam | not jessie |
| 08:25.07 | babilen | Okay. I think you have been offered all the input we can provide on that issue. |
| 08:25.09 | hunteriam | is there a jessie live boot option? |
| 08:25.27 | babilen | (and we are specifically not talking about live images) |
| 08:25.32 | Celexi | hunteriam i don't really have an debian iso to try out on a vm right now but i am p sure uefi works fine |
| 08:25.42 | Celexi | i'd recommend you use a different usb drive |
| 08:25.44 | hunteriam | Celexi: theres literally nothing i couldve done different |
| 08:25.45 | Celexi | or burn some disc |
| 08:25.49 | hunteriam | the usb works fine with every iso |
| 08:25.54 | hunteriam | its the image |
| 08:25.59 | babilen | which image? |
| 08:26.09 | hunteriam | i couldnt find if i wanted to |
| 08:26.18 | hunteriam | do you guys know which image i shouldve installed? |
| 08:26.23 | hunteriam | im certain i picked the wrong one |
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| 08:26.28 | babilen | which image did you use? |
| 08:26.31 | hunteriam | i dont recall |
| 08:26.41 | babilen | then check |
| 08:26.44 | hunteriam | how? |
| 08:26.58 | blackflow | hunteriam: https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ pick one from here, right side if you need USB images |
| 08:27.06 | hunteriam | thanks |
| 08:27.28 | blackflow | hunteriam: the "other images" section |
| 08:27.47 | babilen | You don't need any special USB images, just download the netinstall (I'd pick the one with firmware) and write it to the usb |
| 08:28.19 | gry | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=88415 i have the same problem as in the first post, but the discussion doesn't exactly contain a solution; thoughts? |
| 08:28.28 | babilen | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ and take it from there |
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| 08:28.52 | s4ndm4n | What can I use to get a battery icon in i3 WM's tray in Debian? I have tried xfce4-power-manager but no luck. |
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| 08:30.04 | blackflow | babilen: the CD images are hybrid? |
| 08:30.17 | babilen | They are |
| 08:30.23 | babilen | dpkg: hybrid images |
| 08:30.24 | dpkg | Since the 6.0 "Squeeze" release, Debian installation images for x86 systems - e.g. <netinst>, <CD1>, DVD1 - are hybrid images. These can be written directly to CD or HD Media (e.g. USB thumbdrive) without further preparation. See http://www.debian.org/News/project/2010/14/#hybrid for details. See also <install debian>, <usb install>. |
| 08:30.44 | blackflow | cool. I just used one from the "other images" for USB last night and it worked fine. I'm on Jessie RC 2 now. |
| 08:31.05 | valdyn | gry: did you read the wiki? did you install firmware-realtek? |
| 08:31.06 | babilen | A simply "cp /path/to/the/image.iso /dev/sdX; sync" (with /dev/sdX being something like /dev/sdb) is all you need |
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| 08:32.41 | gry | valdyn: yes; no ( but i installed the firmware i need - firmware-iwlwifi ) |
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| 08:33.01 | valdyn | gry: so you really have a different network chip? |
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| 08:33.21 | blackflow | babilen: is that some UEFI feature, picking up an iso image from media and booting it? (as opposed to dd-ing the iso image to the usb) |
| 08:33.21 | valdyn | gry: that forum post talks about a specific chip - thats not a minor detail |
| 08:33.33 | gry | valdyn: yes; sorry, i should have mentioned |
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| 08:34.06 | hunteriam | sorry, how do i, or how do i learn how to, prepare an install image from the hd-media listed here? http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-amd64/current/images/MANIFEST |
| 08:34.14 | hunteriam | it seems more complex than just dding the .img |
| 08:34.17 | valdyn | gry: which chip is it? |
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| 08:34.45 | gry | valdyn: Intel(R) Wireless WiFi 4965 |
| 08:34.54 | babilen | blackflow: You don't need dd here. cp can copy entire block devices just fine (everything is a file) and you only need dd if you want to express something like "copy k blocks of size s with an offset of five blocks" |
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| 08:36.07 | blackflow | babilen: I didn't know that about cp, cool. |
| 08:36.11 | babilen | blackflow: Everything is a file. cp has another advantage in this case in that it automatically scales the blocksize that is used during the copy whereas you'd have to adjust that manually with dd (bs=4M or so). You could copy an entire harddrive with "cp /dev/sdb sdb_image.iso" if you are so inclined |
| 08:36.26 | valdyn | gry: 4965 or 4965 AGN ? |
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| 08:36.50 | gry | i think agn, i have no clue how to check though |
| 08:36.55 | babilen | blackflow: dd is not some magic "low level" tool that somehow has access to "deeper" data. /dev/sdb is the usb stick. for cp and dd alike |
| 08:37.02 | valdyn | gry: thats in lspci, show us |
| 08:37.18 | gry | 14:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN [Kedron] Network Connection (rev 61) |
| 08:37.22 | hunteriam | although youd have to wipe the drive manually to use cp, no? |
| 08:37.31 | blackflow | babilen: yeah I know, I just didn't know cp was capable of working on block devices and automatically realizing what they are and not expect a filesystem at the paths. |
| 08:38.01 | babilen | blackflow: Sure, no problem. It is a common misconception. fwiw, in case you *really* need dd I'd suggest taking a look at dcfldd |
| 08:38.16 | babilen | hunteriam: No, not at all |
| 08:38.26 | valdyn | gry: run "modprobe -r iwlwifi ; modprobe iwlwifi", then show us your dmesg output |
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| 08:39.15 | hunteriam | could someone please explain to me what im supposed to do with boot.img, vmlinuz, and initrd? http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-amd64/current/images/MANIFEST |
| 08:40.12 | gry | [ 9838.460801] Intel(R) Wireless WiFi Link AGN driver for Linux, in-tree: [ 9838.460809] Copyright(c) 2003-2011 Intel Corporation |
| 08:40.15 | babilen | hunteriam: download them and use them in your own usb stick? |
| 08:40.22 | hunteriam | yes |
| 08:40.26 | hunteriam | how do i put them on the stick |
| 08:40.27 | valdyn | gry: err, and run "modprobe -r iwl3945 iwl4965;modprobe iwl3945 ; modprobe iwl4965" and show us the dmesg output too |
| 08:40.28 | hunteriam | so that they work |
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| 08:40.38 | babilen | hunteriam: But I think we established already that the "normal" images will suffice as they are hybrid images |
| 08:40.53 | valdyn | gry: use a paste site please |
| 08:40.57 | hunteriam | the normal images being the .isos somewhere else on the site? |
| 08:41.15 | babilen | I linked them earlier |
| 08:41.29 | babilen | (the firmare images at least) |
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| 08:47.31 | alfatau | hello all. I've a strange problem with multiple displays and nvidia driver. even having configured xorg to use multiple monitors and having defined which is the order (leftof), after reboot that configuration is overridden and the order of monitors is inverted. can you help me? maybe I've not configured xorg properly, I'm actually unable to successfully debug the problem. thank you in advance |
| 08:47.43 | lac_streamaudio | Linux Audio Conference is running now: http://lacstreamer.stackingdwarves.net/ |
| 08:48.07 | lac_streamaudio | http://lac.linuxaudio.org/2015/ or check out #lacaudio |
| 08:48.23 | lac_streamaudio | #lac2015 |
| 08:48.28 | valdyn | alfatau: thats expected, you need to run that xrandr command each time |
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| 08:48.34 | valdyn | alfatau: if course not manually |
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| 08:48.39 | valdyn | alfatau: of course not manually |
| 08:49.16 | valdyn | alfatau: or are you really using xorg.conf for that? |
| 08:49.19 | gry | well interesting, i think wifi is working correctly now - meaning that these kernel modules were not loaded for some reason before |
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| 08:49.45 | valdyn | gry: that may be if you did not reboot between installing firmware and now |
| 08:50.06 | babilen | alfatau: Do you configure them using xrandr? |
| 08:50.12 | valdyn | gry: in any case you should probably regenerate the initrd |
| 08:50.23 | valdyn | gry: "dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)" |
| 08:50.36 | alfatau | valdyn: well, I'm using xorg.conf. is it an error? |
| 08:50.49 | Celexi | alfatau tried using the nvidia panel to generate a xorg file? |
| 08:50.57 | valdyn | alfatau: nah |
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| 08:51.06 | alfatau | valdyn, babilen: no, i configured first time using nvidia-settings |
| 08:51.31 | valdyn | alfatau: if you use nvidia-settings then you need to run "nvidia-settings -l" to load that config |
| 08:51.32 | alfatau | valdyn,babilen: then i exported xorg.conf from nvidia-settings |
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| 08:51.48 | valdyn | alfatau: ok, that one, show us |
| 08:51.49 | gry | i did reboot i think ; please read http://dpaste.com/0GRFHEG ; i will try to reboot 1 more time to double-check, if i have the same issue then i will try to regenerate initrd |
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| 08:51.58 | valdyn | alfatau: show us the Xorg.0.log too |
| 08:52.05 | Celexi | alfatau what wm do you use ? |
| 08:52.21 | gry | valdyn: any conclusion from that last paste before i am gone for the reboot ? |
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| 08:52.34 | alfatau | valdyn: any suggested pastebin? |
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| 08:52.40 | gry | dpaste.com works for me |
| 08:52.45 | valdyn | gry: just go ahead with what you said |
| 08:52.53 | valdyn | !paste |
| 08:52.53 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 08:54.13 | gry | i do not recommend pastie.org, it has infinite expiry time |
| 08:54.29 | gry | which is almost never necessary |
| 08:54.58 | babilen | alfatau: Oh, I wouldn't do that. I'd use minimal configuration files in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d such as /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/25-nvidia.conf as discussed on https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#configure and, say, /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/25-serverlayout.conf with http://paste.debian.net/166237/ in there for the serverlayout |
| 08:55.03 | alfatau | valdyn, babilen, Celexi: http://paste.debian.net/166239/ |
| 08:55.43 | hunteriam | I selected /dev/sdb during install, but it appears grub is being installed to /dev/sdb |
| 08:55.48 | hunteriam | Sorry /dev/sea |
| 08:55.51 | Celexi | i only see one display there alfatau |
| 08:55.51 | hunteriam | Sda |
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| 08:56.13 | hunteriam | Is this a known issue |
| 08:56.20 | alfatau | Celexy: i'm using GNOME Shell 3.14.2 |
| 08:56.22 | babilen | alfatau: That is using legacy xinerama and does not actually specify the order. Keep it simple and don't use nvidia-xconfig |
| 08:56.36 | gry | huh, i think i probably forgot to "load that module or reboot"; after reboot it just works straight away; thank you :-) |
| 08:56.58 | valdyn | hunteriam: grub is installed to whatever you select |
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| 08:57.17 | hunteriam | Well it's funny how what has been installed doesn't boot |
| 08:57.24 | hunteriam | Per what I said |
| 08:57.39 | valdyn | hunteriam: of course you could just have selected sdb |
| 08:57.54 | Celexi | alfatau think problem here is your xorg file just having a single monitor on it |
| 08:58.01 | hunteriam | Sdb was the target, when it got to installing grub it said it was going to sda |
| 08:58.06 | hunteriam | Ah |
| 08:58.11 | hunteriam | Perhaps you're right |
| 08:58.16 | hunteriam | Sda has Debian now |
| 08:58.25 | alfatau | valdyn, Celexy, babilen: ok. in fact my second attempt was to configure by myself. then i created 2 .conf into my /etc/X11/xorg.d/ one for specifying device settings as suggested here https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers/Configuration and one specifying screen settings. however it's not working. |
| 08:58.34 | babilen | alfatau: Just delete that horror and stick with something simpler. Adjust the names in my paste to those shown in "xrandr -q" naturally |
| 08:59.08 | babilen | alfatau: Is it drinking g&t on the couch again or why isn't it working? |
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| 09:01.04 | alfatau | babilen: a minute: i'm trying to configure monitors using xrandr.. |
| 09:01.35 | babilen | And then paste the output of "xrandr -q" along with the two configuration files you created. Also elaborate on "it's not working". |
| 09:02.08 | alfatau | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/166241/ this is the xrandr output |
| 09:02.58 | babilen | So you want to use "VGA-0" and "LVDS-0" as identifiers in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/25-serverlayout.conf |
| 09:03.07 | alfatau | babilen: this is my device settings http://paste.debian.net/166242/ |
| 09:03.17 | babilen | (or whatever you decide to call that, one file per screen might also be a good idea) |
| 09:04.10 | babilen | alfatau: I would remove line 10 and 11 |
| 09:04.15 | alfatau | babilen and finally this is my screen setting http://paste.debian.net/166243/ |
| 09:05.40 | alfatau | babilen: these lines have just been added, but before starting the IRC sections it was still not working properly |
| 09:05.46 | babilen | alfatau: So, delete the screen config file and line 10 and 11 from /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20_nvidia_3d_acceleration.conf -- Then create /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/25-serverlayout.conf with the content I pasted earlier, but adjust the identifiers to match your "VGA-0" and "LVDS-0" ones |
| 09:06.03 | babilen | "have just been added" ? By whom? |
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| 09:06.43 | alfatau | babilen: by me, as an attempt |
| 09:07.20 | babilen | I assume that you could successfully configure your setup manually with xrandr btw |
| 09:08.29 | alfatau | ok, i'm adding, only one minute |
| 09:08.48 | babilen | Don't forget to remove too ;) |
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| 09:18.01 | alfatau | babilen: then, this http://paste.debian.net/166246/ is the "compound" of all my /etc/X11/xorg.d/*.conf. is it correct? |
| 09:18.46 | babilen | alfatau: No, I wanted you to remove line 20 - 34 |
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| 09:19.51 | alfatau | babilen: ah, ok, so not only from 20_nvidia_3d_acceleration.conf but also from 70_nvidia_multiple_screen.conf |
| 09:19.56 | babilen | Rest looks fine. Can't really comment on the nvidia options you set there though |
| 09:20.11 | babilen | "So, delete the screen config file and ..." |
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| 09:22.13 | alfatau | babilen: ah ok, i didn't noticed that... sorry. now i'm going to restart Xorg, so I'll disconnect from irc session. |
| 09:22.30 | babilen | Sure, all the best |
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| 09:32.07 | CoffeeJ | has someone managed to get skye running please ? |
| 09:32.14 | CoffeeJ | * err spyke |
| 09:32.21 | CoffeeJ | dam it skype |
| 09:32.47 | alfatau | babilen: unfortunately monitors are still inverted :( |
| 09:32.49 | gry | no, i stopped using it when it was purchased by microsoft |
| 09:33.32 | CoffeeJ | is someone reversion there protocoll ? i would like to help ? |
| 09:33.35 | gry | i use irc, email, and sip instead |
| 09:33.40 | CoffeeJ | *reversing |
| 09:34.08 | gry | people are writing a functionally similar thing called 'tox', but reverse engineering skype itself is a bit challenging because these bastards change the protocol in new releases rather often |
| 09:34.29 | gry | intentionally, to make reverse engineering harder |
| 09:34.50 | CoffeeJ | yeah m$ no wonder |
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| 09:35.18 | CoffeeJ | thanks for the hint |
| 09:36.05 | gry | tox is rather working now, and it's peer-to-peer software itself, but dns is only distributed - it remains the vulnerable point of control, by attacking which the governments can destabilize the entire tox network |
| 09:36.10 | SPF | CoffeeJ: maybe ICQ is a good alternative? |
| 09:36.39 | gry | maybe, but i suspect icq is also proprietary |
| 09:37.10 | gry | a reference to XMPP might be pertinent, but it's also only distributed, and people resort to heavy encryption of messages in an effort to avoid their private conversations being sniffed on |
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| 09:37.18 | hunteriam | for some reason gnome 3 is failing to load on this install |
| 09:37.21 | hunteriam | is this a known bug? |
| 09:37.24 | hunteriam | im getting a fallback gui |
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| 09:37.30 | hunteriam | i have a r9 290 |
| 09:37.39 | CoffeeJ | well i would switch to whatever but my friends with there shiny smarphones won't i thinking about a virtualbox/android with whatsapp but its difficult because no SSE2 |
| 09:37.49 | gry | CoffeeJ: whereas tox provides such encryption by default and is easier to set up with an auth metod superior to username+password (tox uses a keypair thing) |
| 09:38.09 | gry | CoffeeJ: i think tox has an android app |
| 09:39.36 | valdyn | not having sse2 is a problem why? |
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| 09:41.27 | hunteriam | could someone verrify that this is the proper gnome for debian? http://imgur.com/qgyiiTy |
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| 09:41.33 | hunteriam | not the fallback gui? |
| 09:41.56 | valdyn | hunteriam: that looks ok |
| 09:42.05 | valdyn | hunteriam: do the graphical effects work? |
| 09:42.16 | valdyn | hunteriam: like the top left hot corner |
| 09:42.28 | gry | i tried gnome on another distro once, but it didnt' have a taskbar. |
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| 09:42.53 | valdyn | gry: well, now it has one |
| 09:43.00 | valdyn | gry: thats just newer |
| 09:43.01 | gry | ok |
| 09:43.11 | hunteriam | valdyn: no top left hot corners doing nothing |
| 09:43.25 | valdyn | hunteriam: what when you hit "applications" ? |
| 09:43.33 | hunteriam | valdyn: a drop down menu |
| 09:43.37 | hunteriam | valdyn: not the zoom out |
| 09:43.47 | valdyn | hunteriam: ok, thats fallback then I think |
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| 09:44.04 | valdyn | hunteriam: in that terminal, enter "glxinfo | grep -i direct" |
| 09:44.07 | hunteriam | supposedly you can check with gsettings, and i did and it said gnome not gnome fallback |
| 09:44.27 | hunteriam | valdyn: yes |
| 09:44.30 | hunteriam | direct rendering yes |
| 09:44.36 | hunteriam | so cpu rendering? |
| 09:44.46 | valdyn | hunteriam: show me the whole output for glxinfo |
| 09:45.01 | alfatau | babilen: this is the output of my journalctl | grep -i xorg : http://paste.debian.net/166250/ |
| 09:45.15 | hunteriam | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/gZkve9BO |
| 09:45.25 | alfatau | babilen: hope it helps: it seems monitors have different identifiers |
| 09:45.31 | hunteriam | valdyn: ^ |
| 09:45.57 | valdyn | hunteriam: so this is a vm |
| 09:46.06 | hunteriam | no this is a full install |
| 09:46.10 | hunteriam | im not running in a vm |
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| 09:46.35 | valdyn | hunteriam: why is it runnig the vmware 3D then? |
| 09:46.38 | hunteriam | no idea |
| 09:46.42 | hunteriam | cpu rendering? |
| 09:46.48 | hunteriam | i swear im not lying to you |
| 09:47.10 | valdyn | hunteriam: show us the putput for "lspci | grep -i vga" |
| 09:47.42 | hunteriam | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Device 67b1 |
| 09:47.49 | hunteriam | hm i guess thaht would be the gpu |
| 09:47.52 | hunteriam | cpu is intel |
| 09:47.54 | valdyn | hunteriam: yea |
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| 09:48.05 | valdyn | hunteriam: run "update-pciids" then the lspci command again |
| 09:48.25 | valdyn | hunteriam: is this on debian/wheezy? |
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| 09:48.36 | hunteriam | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Hawaii PRO [Radeon R9 290] |
| 09:48.39 | hunteriam | valdyn: wheezy confirmed |
| 09:48.45 | hunteriam | its just slightly more accurate now |
| 09:48.51 | valdyn | hunteriam: I recommend you run jessie |
| 09:49.04 | hunteriam | valdyn: i was going to try that next, you think thatll solve it? |
| 09:49.07 | valdyn | hunteriam: this chip is probably not supported by wheezy |
| 09:49.13 | hunteriam | curse you wheezy |
| 09:49.23 | alfatau | babilen: unfortunately monitors are still inverted :( this is the output of my journalctl | grep -i xorg : http://paste.debian.net/166250/ |
| 09:49.40 | valdyn | hunteriam: i cant say, i could get the chip working with wheezy, but walking you through it may be just a matter of adding backports or it may be harder |
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| 09:49.48 | valdyn | hunteriam: it is trivial to upgrade to jessie |
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| 09:50.04 | hunteriam | it seems unlike debian to make it so difficult to support such a popular chip |
| 09:50.06 | valdyn | dpkg: wheezy -> jessie |
| 09:50.06 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, valdyn |
| 09:50.13 | valdyn | dpkg: wheezy->jessie |
| 09:50.14 | dpkg | Remember that testing is a pre-release distribution without timely security support to be cautious; ask me about <jessie security>. (1) READ THE RELEASE NOTES: http://deb.li/ldcj (2) From /etc/apt/sources.list, remove stable-specific lines like wheezy-updates and backports, and change wheezy to jessie. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. 3rd party repos like <dmo> are known to cause problems with the upgrade. |
| 09:50.27 | gry | hi! a bash question: i would like to run 3 commands at the same time, currently via http://dpaste.com/3ZRKBNP, is there a more sane way so that i do not need to close off the 3 terminals by hand after i'm done? |
| 09:50.34 | valdyn | hunteriam: when your release is older than your hardware, then thats an obvious problem |
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| 09:50.48 | hunteriam | valdyn: but jessie is a testing release? |
| 09:50.55 | Metaleer | Till the 25th. |
| 09:50.56 | hunteriam | valdyn: the main release should support current hardware youd think |
| 09:51.00 | valdyn | hunteriam: its close to release, its good now |
| 09:51.08 | Metaleer | It is very close to being stable. |
| 09:51.21 | valdyn | hunteriam: its debian, not whatever you think "main release" should be |
| 09:51.44 | valdyn | hunteriam: and all the datacenter operators relying on debian would replace it at once if it changed |
| 09:52.18 | hunteriam | ? |
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| 09:52.22 | hunteriam | main release is wheezy |
| 09:52.26 | Botchla | dpkg: jessie security |
| 09:52.26 | dpkg | On Debian 8 "Jessie" systems, there are two repositories that you should have in your sources.list aside from your main mirror. You should have an entry for "jessie/updates" which is security updates (ask me about <security>) and also an entry for "jessie-updates" which is other updated packages (see <jessie-updates>). See also <sources.list>. Note that Jessie security support is still a little slow. |
| 09:52.30 | hunteriam | is it not? |
| 09:52.36 | hunteriam | i thought that was unambiguous |
| 09:52.40 | valdyn | hunteriam: but of course there is backports, which might be ok, but jessie is already better |
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| 09:52.55 | hunteriam | sure but the debian website lists wheezy as current |
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| 09:53.09 | valdyn | hunteriam: im just saying, that it is what is is. It does not support new hardware out of the box, period. |
| 09:53.14 | Metaleer | Because it is -- till the 25th. |
| 09:53.20 | Metaleer | It is very close to being released as stable. |
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| 09:53.46 | hunteriam | its just strange to me it doesnt support new hardware |
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| 09:54.23 | hunteriam | oh boy gnome updates |
| 09:54.28 | hunteriam | bring on pretty gnome |
| 09:54.45 | valdyn | gry: i think you were right, that taskbar only shows in fallback, probably... |
| 09:55.01 | hunteriam | valdyn: this is not fallback btw |
| 09:55.07 | hunteriam | valdyn: i checked the gsettings |
| 09:55.32 | valdyn | hunteriam: whatever they call it, its not the full gnome if the hot corner is not working |
| 09:55.37 | gry | ps aux|grep fallback |
| 09:55.39 | hunteriam | even gnome 2? |
| 09:55.55 | gry | gnome2 had no 'shell' and 'fallback', was the same thing |
| 09:56.08 | hunteriam | what do you mean shell? |
| 09:56.28 | valdyn | hunteriam: thats basically the gnome3 window manager "gnome-shell" |
| 09:56.36 | hunteriam | ah i see |
| 09:56.40 | hunteriam | it did look new |
| 09:56.49 | gry | shell is the main one, which is not fallback |
| 09:57.00 | valdyn | hunteriam: at some point fallback was like gnome2, but later they changed to fallback being a special mode of gnome-shell or somesuch |
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| 09:57.46 | hunteriam | all i know is that gsettings get org.gnome.desktop.session session-name = gnome |
| 09:58.45 | gry | asking #debian-gnome might yield a more proficient answer |
| 09:59.00 | hunteriam | probably not many people in there |
| 09:59.02 | gry | since i don't even use it, nor have it installed |
| 09:59.02 | valdyn | http://worldofgnome.org/gnome-3-8-is-dropping-fallback-mode/ |
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| 10:05.19 | gry | to put it better: since i don't even use it, nor have it installed, and its documentation is such mess that it's not possible to find out anything without trying to replicate it by hand or hanging out in their channel |
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| 10:07.12 | jelly | ,v mate |
| 10:07.13 | judd | No package named 'mate' was found in i386. |
| 10:07.28 | jelly | ,v mate-desktop-environment |
| 10:07.30 | judd | Package: mate-desktop-environment on i386 -- wheezy-backports: 1.8.0+7~bpo70+1; sid: 1.8.0+9; jessie: 1.8.0+9 |
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| 10:15.44 | hunteriam | so i have a resolution of 4:3 |
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| 10:33.42 | SignorD | I have a new pc, and I can't get the debian install USB to boot |
| 10:33.56 | SignorD | I get an error, which is |
| 10:33.58 | SignorD | Realtek PCIe GBE Family Controller Series v2.59 (07/13/14) |
| 10:34.11 | SignorD | PXE-E61: Media test failure, check cable |
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| 10:34.22 | thursday_ | Hello. I am trying to set up an NFS server on my debian machine, but APT says that nfs-kernel-server is an untrusted package. Aside from deb-multimedia, I don't have any unofficial repositories in my sources.list. Should I be worried? |
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| 10:35.05 | SignorD | even if netboot and realtek boot are disabled. So I wonder if there might be a hardware problem |
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| 10:47.46 | thursday_ | Removing google-talk-plugin from sources.list.d and updating aptitude seems to have worked. Problem solved. |
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| 11:18.16 | dalo | Thought I should introduce myself. I'm Daniel, 31, From Sweden. Currently a Debian stable user. |
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| 11:20.15 | CoffeeJ | hi dalo |
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| 11:22.36 | dalo | Hi CoffeeJ ;p |
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| 11:24.26 | CoffeeJ | ahh does anybody know a flash plugin/project that works with the flash games on facebook 4 example ? |
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| 11:24.54 | gry | these games are spyware; ask the webmaster to reprogram them in some non-proprietary software |
| 11:24.55 | dalo | Yeah, sure. Mine does. |
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| 11:25.33 | CoffeeJ | which one u have ? |
| 11:25.53 | dalo | What flash plugin I use? Hmm |
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| 11:26.39 | dalo | I installed flashplugin-nonfree and flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound |
| 11:26.42 | dalo | Worked for me. |
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| 11:27.15 | CoffeeJ | hmm sounds like adobes plugin ? wont work with my game :-( |
| 11:27.32 | dalo | Hmm :( |
| 11:27.50 | CoffeeJ | the site is drachen.r2games.com |
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| 11:28.04 | dalo | Strange. I use this plugin on websites that are pretty flash heavy. Newssites mainly. |
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| 11:28.29 | CoffeeJ | seems gaming is a bit diffrent |
| 11:28.36 | abrotman | CoffeeJ: which browser? |
| 11:28.50 | CoffeeJ | iceweasel (and loving it) |
| 11:28.55 | dalo | Iceweasel here too |
| 11:29.19 | dalo | Yeah, probably. I don't play flash games, basically |
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| 11:30.47 | CoffeeJ | hmm i post if i have any success with this lightspark plugin (no advertising) |
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| 11:41.53 | Exagone313 | hello, is there a tool to open midi, load a sf2/dls instrument file, and write a wav/ogg file without adding any space (it's a loop that I want to convert). thanks for helping |
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| 11:51.46 | dutchfish | Exagone313, i have no clue about instrument file loading but fluidsynth can do that, see: http://wootangent.net/2010/11/converting-midi-to-wav-or-mp3-the-easy-way/ |
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| 11:52.38 | dutchfish | Exagone313, general midi is no problem or do a setup in front |
| 11:53.07 | crised_ | Can I install a package from deb-multimedia, without adding the repository to sources.list? |
| 11:53.20 | crised_ | I just want one package 'ffmpeg' from there and that's it |
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| 11:53.40 | crised_ | I don;t want to "pollute" the whole system with these packages |
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| 11:57.04 | Exagone313 | dutchfish: ok thanks i'll try |
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| 11:58.34 | dutchfish | Exagone313, timmidity is the next best option for that |
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| 12:06.33 | dutchfish | crised_, you could do i dry run with dpkg -s option to find out whats missing if any |
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| 12:08.22 | Brigo | crised_, you can install download the package and install it with dpkg -i <package.deb>, but dpkg does not care about dependecies. so they will not be downloaded and installed automatically. |
| 12:08.50 | Brigo | you will need to do it on you own |
| 12:09.08 | dutchfish | crised_, also the dpenedecies are listed on the ultimedia site |
| 12:09.28 | dutchfish | crised_, also the dependecies are listed on the multimedia site* |
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| 12:10.56 | Brigo | despide multimedia is not debian and it is not supported here, it works quite good for me, without issues in all years i was using it. |
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| 12:13.05 | abrotman | crised_: ffmpeg is in Debian, isn't it? |
| 12:13.17 | abrotman | dpkg: libav |
| 12:13.18 | dpkg | Libav is a complete, cross-platform solution to record, convert and stream audio and video. Libav is a fork of <FFmpeg> and replaces it in Debian as of the 7.x "Wheezy" release. Multithreaded decoding is available since libav 4:0.7~rc1-1 (bug #575600); MP3 encoding support is available since libav 4:0.7.1-2 (bug #587904). http://libav.org/faq.html http://libav.org/ #libav on irc.freenode.net. |
| 12:13.49 | jelly | abrotman: it's in debian technically, but not in wheezy or jessie |
| 12:14.09 | jelly | ,v ffmpeg |
| 12:14.10 | judd | Package: ffmpeg on i386 -- squeeze-security: 4:0.5.10-1; squeeze: 4:0.5.10-1; squeeze-security-lts: 4:0.5.10-1+deb6u1; squeeze-multimedia: 5:0.7.17-dmo1; squeeze-backports: 6:0.8.6-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 6:0.8.16-1; wheezy-security: 6:0.8.17-1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 6:0.8.17-1; sid: 7:2.6.1-1; wheezy-multimedia: 8:1.0.10-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 10:2.6.1-dmo2; jessie-multimedia: 10:2.6.1-dmo2 |
| 12:14.17 | abrotman | it says wheezy above! |
| 12:14.27 | abrotman | for libav I mean |
| 12:14.28 | jelly | libav is not ffmpeg. |
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| 12:14.50 | abrotman | bah, just use libcaca, life will be simpler :) |
| 12:15.04 | dutchfish | if you downloaded it manually: dpkg --info ffmpeg_2.6.1-dmo2_amd64.deb |
| 12:15.13 | jelly | it's a fork that's appearing increasingly less maintained than ffmpeg these days |
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| 12:15.56 | jelly | (ffmpeg binary from sid is installable without issues on jessie, at this point) |
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| 12:20.03 | Exagone313 | dutchfish: thanks it worked, just a problem of quality, but I will see later for that |
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| 12:20.20 | dutchfish | Exagone313, at least it got you going, have fun! |
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| 12:21.30 | dutchfish | Exagone313, fluidsynth has some options to improve delta's conversion rate, that improves alot |
| 12:21.47 | Exagone313 | ok thanks |
| 12:21.54 | dutchfish | Exagone313, but needs some heavy cpu lifting |
| 12:22.40 | dutchfish | yw |
| 12:22.41 | Exagone313 | my cpu is not bad |
| 12:24.02 | dutchfish | ok |
| 12:24.04 | Exagone313 | hmm there is a problem, my sf2 is incomplete, so it added sounds from another sf2, and i don't want that |
| 12:24.39 | dutchfish | Exagone313, carefully check all the settings, there are alot of them |
| 12:24.44 | Exagone313 | yes |
| 12:24.46 | Exagone313 | true |
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| 12:25.43 | dutchfish | Exagone313, you can start fluidsynth without loading any soundfonts and add them manually later, thats the best option |
| 12:26.19 | dutchfish | again, have fun ;) |
| 12:26.23 | Exagone313 | lol |
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| 12:40.54 | RoyK | any idea what broke libvirt? http://paste.debian.net/166268/ |
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| 13:19.14 | eugenmayer | any recent issues with PECL known? I cannot fetch https://pecl.php.net/channel.xml with a squid3 proxy anymore |
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| 13:22.05 | ohithere | Is any official debian upgrade wheezy to jessie documentation up yet? |
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| 13:25.17 | Brigo | ohithere, not yet as far as i know, but you can try https://debian.titanpad.com/23? |
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| 13:27.47 | htqp | wheezy->jessie |
| 13:27.54 | htqp | !wheezy->jessie |
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| 13:31.26 | abrotman | dpkg: tell htqp about wheezy->jessie |
| 13:31.40 | ohithere | Brigo: thanks. |
| 13:31.42 | jelly | !jessie release notes |
| 13:31.42 | dpkg | Release notes for Debian 8 "Jessie" are at http://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/releasenotes . See also <wheezy->jessie>, <jessie install guide> |
| 13:31.47 | jelly | ohithere: ^^ |
| 13:32.18 | ohithere | jelly: ah right, that's what I was looking for! Thank you. |
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| 13:44.36 | pfred1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:48.27 | crised_ | jelly: abrotman yes, ffmpeg from libav is not capable of streaming video from ip camera in opencv, ffmpeg from deb m, is capab;le |
| 13:48.41 | jelly | nod |
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| 13:52.13 | pfred1 | right now my on board sound has no hardware wavetable so I have to try to use synthesis with it and it doesn't work very well |
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| 14:11.40 | woshty | I am regularly rebuilding packages from testing to use in stable. Is there a way to have a sanitized build environment (mainly having no packages installed that do not belong in the release I am building for)? |
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| 14:12.33 | woshty | .. I have been too lazy to read up on sbuild .. |
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| 14:26.45 | jhutchins | woshty: Centos has a couple of packages that do that; there's mach and some other process that build a chroot for you. |
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| 14:31.18 | jhutchins | woshty: mock is the one I was thinking of. |
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| 14:41.15 | gribouille | hi |
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| 14:42.27 | gribouille | each time I install debian on a logical volume, the installation of grub fails. what does this mean? |
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| 14:47.59 | gribouille | someone here? |
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| 14:50.14 | pfred1 | gribouille not really no |
| 14:50.23 | hashworks | Hi! Anyone got an idea why my speakers turn themself off after beeing idle for a while? Turning the software or hardware volume above 70% normaly brings them back, but it's kinda nerve-racking. I'm on Jessie using Pulseaudio. |
| 14:51.44 | pfred1 | hashworks that's weird i had a laptop yesterday where the speaker volume was 0 on it no pulseaudio even |
| 14:52.18 | hashworks | Well, the speaker volume is normal. I just have to play with it to bring them back. |
| 14:52.32 | hashworks | It's like there is some kind of energy saving active or so |
| 14:52.44 | RoyK | Any idea what broke libvirt? http://paste.ubuntu.com/10800899/ |
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| 15:05.38 | deranged | got an error when apt tries to install (configure) mongodb: http://pastebin.com/GhsjQuyZ |
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| 15:10.11 | MadMan2021 | Greetings all, What would one use to backup my debian server and restore it to a local virtual machine |
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| 15:11.49 | nkuttler | deranged: apt-cache policy mongodb? |
| 15:12.28 | nkuttler | MadMan2021: bacula, backuppc, rsync, etc |
| 15:12.34 | deranged | http://pastebin.com/ab7nSX61 |
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| 15:12.54 | cribbageSTARSHIP | can I use thee "at" command to schedule apt-get update/upgrade/dist-upgrade? |
| 15:13.14 | deranged | @ nkuttler |
| 15:13.29 | MadMan2021 | nkuttler: Would these tools work live without downtime ? |
| 15:13.47 | nkuttler | deranged: sid support is in #debian-next on the oftc irc network |
| 15:13.58 | nkuttler | MadMan2021: not sure what you mean? |
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| 15:14.13 | deranged | ugh new networks |
| 15:14.24 | deranged | cheers though |
| 15:14.26 | nkuttler | deranged: all official channels are on oftc |
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| 15:14.52 | deranged | oftc.net/org? |
| 15:15.00 | MadMan2021 | I should mention that I supose it's not really a backup more like an image ? |
| 15:15.18 | MadMan2021 | I want to duplicate the server into a local VM for testing. |
| 15:15.25 | MadMan2021 | Ugh sorry If i'm not sounding clear. |
| 15:15.26 | nkuttler | MadMan2021: i see, no idea about that |
| 15:16.00 | MadMan2021 | I tried Mondorescue but it never "Restores" |
| 15:16.06 | jhutchins | MadMan2021: Depending on the hypervisor there are tools for 'p2v', physical to virtual. |
| 15:16.23 | jhutchins | MadMan2021: They convert a physical installation into a bootable virtual machine. |
| 15:16.29 | MadMan2021 | jhutchins: Even to a remote server while it's live ? |
| 15:16.49 | MadMan2021 | I understand about P2V when It's offline and your migrating locally but not live and remotely. |
| 15:16.49 | jhutchins | MadMan2021: No, they create a bootable image. |
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| 15:22.21 | narbeh | Hi |
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| 15:23.08 | narbeh | How can I use exec(" AWK WITH " IN IT ") in PHP which has 4 quotation mark in it? |
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| 15:23.49 | micalm | narbeh: escape them? |
| 15:24.08 | narbeh | micalm: Thank you for the reply. could you please help me how? |
| 15:24.40 | micalm | function("Like \"this\""); |
| 15:24.40 | somiaj | the standard escape character is \, so \" instead of " |
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| 15:25.11 | narbeh | micalm: used that. doesn't work. let me check again |
| 15:25.13 | micalm | narbeh: You could also just do something('like "that"'); |
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| 15:28.12 | ogkloeri | RichiH you should be fired |
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| 15:28.16 | ogkloeri | thats an abuse of oper override |
| 15:28.23 | ogkloeri | youre supposed to op up and then do it |
| 15:28.37 | ogkloeri | not use that stupid O line of yours |
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| 15:29.36 | abrotman | ogkloeri: do you need help with Debian? |
| 15:30.17 | ogkloeri | how do i change scripts for usage with systemd? |
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| 15:30.21 | ogkloeri | i have a wheezy install |
| 15:30.22 | micalm | narbeh: also, yeah, thats a ##php question :P |
| 15:30.26 | ogkloeri | and someone told me jessie is about to come out |
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| 15:30.39 | somiaj | ogkloeri: systemd-sysv is a compadability package, so systemd can use correctly set up LSB scripts. |
| 15:30.40 | narbeh | micalm: I couldn't join that channel |
| 15:30.49 | ogkloeri | somiaj ok |
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| 15:31.19 | somiaj | ogkloeri: jessie's release will be 'soonish', there are about 100 RC bugs left, and once that is fixed there is usually about a 2 week window between the offical annoucment and the release. |
| 15:31.33 | ogkloeri | ok ill wait |
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| 15:31.36 | somiaj | Some are hoping by the end of this month, I say that is a bit rushed but possible. Though I'm thinking more likley in may |
| 15:32.16 | naptastic | Is there an already-existing way to set my system's hostname from DNS on boot? I'd rather not add 'hostname $(dig +short -x $(hostname -i))' to rc.local. |
| 15:32.32 | AvocetVIS | any ideas as to why sftp will not accept login.. using the same info as ssh login.. says auth error |
| 15:32.34 | abrotman | naptastic: Are you using DHCP? |
| 15:32.36 | naptastic | (I'm using root over NFS, so /etc/hostname will be wrong almost every time. |
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| 15:32.48 | naptastic | abrotman, Yes. Is there a DHCP option for that? *googles* |
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| 15:35.31 | ogkloeri | oh ffs |
| 15:35.38 | ogkloeri | this oper is riding my ass |
| 15:35.44 | ogkloeri | why did you follow me here |
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| 15:36.08 | abrotman | ogkloeri: Take it up somewhere else, this isn't the place for that. |
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| 15:36.15 | AvocetVIS | lol... |
| 15:36.17 | AvocetVIS | nice |
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| 15:36.28 | naptastic | Geez. isc-dhcp-server gives the most obtuse configuration error messages ever. BUT! I think I got it. |
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| 15:36.37 | abrotman | naptastic: glad to hear |
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| 15:37.54 | MadMan2021 | I have no idea what just happened. |
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| 15:38.22 | Metaleer | MadMan2021: That's a troll that's being a nuisance in multiple channels. |
| 15:38.37 | naptastic | abrotman, I got the option set ( option host-name $hostname ) but it did not get set on the client. Do you know if there's anything else I need to do? Maybe I need to remove /etc/hostname or something? |
| 15:38.51 | naptastic | !praise abrotman |
| 15:38.51 | dpkg | bows down before abrotman. "We're not worthy! We're not worthy!" |
| 15:39.04 | abrotman | naptastic: I haven't used it, I've just seen it |
| 15:39.10 | naptastic | abrotman, Ok thanks. I'll keep digging. |
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| 15:42.22 | naptastic | lol I crashed my client hard :D |
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| 15:53.12 | Roland- | question if I have a group of servers all setup with host based auth, can I run a command on all at once? |
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| 15:58.46 | somiaj | Roland-: well you can run commands directaly though ssh, there may be some lag so they may not all be synced, but you can get them all running. |
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| 15:58.58 | somiaj | Roland-: what is it you are trying to achive? What commands are you wanting to run on all at once? |
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| 15:59.40 | Roland- | some echos, cats, w |
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| 16:00.05 | Roland- | basic commands but currently I have to run on each host and indeed it works fine |
| 16:00.10 | somiaj | Roland-: and you are wanting to do what with this info? Anyways ssh can run commands (thus scripts) directaly on the server. |
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| 16:00.36 | somiaj | Roland-: ssh user@host 'command to run' |
| 16:00.55 | Roland- | let's say I want to run echo nameserver 10.0.1.1 > /etc/resolv.conf on all 45 servers |
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| 16:01.20 | SrvK | Yesterday I migrated a truecrypt partition to LUKS, but after rebooting my computer today the partition that I made with LUKS is showing up as "free space". How can I recover my data? |
| 16:01.28 | somiaj | Roland-: Provided you can ssh as root on all four servers you can loop though them using ssh. |
| 16:01.41 | somiaj | Roland-: though sounds like you are getting to the point you want something like puppet to manage configs on multiple servers at once. |
| 16:02.13 | Roland- | that is what I am trying to do here. Host based auth is in place so it will go straight however running this on each server takes alot of time I was thinking about grouping them somehow |
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| 16:03.08 | somiaj | Roland-: what do you mean running them on each sever? You are talking about the process of loging into each server then running the command then loging out? |
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| 16:03.42 | Roland- | ssh host based auth will log me, that part is ok |
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| 16:04.13 | somiaj | Roland-: again what you are saying is you have to manually ssh to each server and that is what takes time? |
| 16:04.16 | Roland- | running the command on all servers one by one that is my issue |
| 16:04.45 | blackflow | Roland-: http://www.fabfile.org/ |
| 16:04.55 | somiaj | Roland-: for i in "host list"; do ssh root@host "echo 10.0.0.1 > /etc/resolv.conf"; done |
| 16:04.58 | donofrio | anyone got time help me get 3d working on my system? - dmesg @ http://paste.debian.net/166016/ |
| 16:05.12 | blackflow | and then, as somiaj suggested, take a look into a config management system, eg. Salt |
| 16:05.36 | Roland- | I am trying to get ansible working right now |
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| 16:05.53 | somiaj | Roland-: hopefully my synta does the redirect on the server as opposed to the client, but it can be modified if I mseed it up |
| 16:05.54 | blackflow | Roland-: ansible can run a command across many servers at once |
| 16:06.12 | somiaj | donofrio: what video card? |
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| 16:07.09 | Roland- | somiaj that bash script seems to be working but that do ssh root@host is not working |
| 16:07.20 | Roland- | as is doing a ssh to root@host , |
| 16:07.41 | somiaj | Roland-: sorry root@$i |
| 16:07.47 | somiaj | yea you need to put the variable there |
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| 16:08.11 | blackflow | Roland-: use a tool like Fabric or risk breaking 45 servers because of typo on your bash oneliner |
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| 16:08.54 | somiaj | Roland-: yea and listen to blackflow, make sure you test this very carefully before doing it on all. I was just saying here is a 'hacky' way to do it if you don't want to use a central management system. |
| 16:08.58 | Roland- | somiaj still not working, checking fabric now |
| 16:09.18 | somiaj | again I would make sure "ssh root@host command" works on one server before putting in a loop. |
| 16:09.46 | somiaj | Roland-: but I'm just pointing out you can run commands directaly as opposed to logging then running then looging out and repeating. |
| 16:10.05 | Roland- | yep thanks |
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| 16:29.02 | optrusty | Hi Guys So this is my first time installing debian and I am having problems |
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| 16:30.12 | somiaj | !ask |
| 16:30.13 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 16:30.29 | optrusty | somiaj Wait up |
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| 16:32.40 | optrusty | http://i59.tinypic.com/2re1qfm.jpg |
| 16:32.46 | optrusty | Somiaj ^ |
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| 16:34.08 | somiaj | optrusty: ctrl-alt-f1 (or f2) do you get brought back to a text console? |
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| 16:35.38 | SrvK | That's happened to me before but I wasn't able to troubleshoot it, it was an installation error as far as I could tell. Which architecture are you installing, optrusty? |
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| 16:36.02 | optrusty | SrvK 64 |
| 16:36.13 | somiaj | I see bad video drivers or bad video card. But to test drivers get a console and read the logs. |
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| 16:36.40 | optrusty | somiaj Can u help me out with that |
| 16:36.57 | optrusty | Somiaj I'm a linux noob |
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| 16:38.10 | somiaj | optrusty: I said first ctrl-alt-f1 (try to get to a text based console). |
| 16:38.21 | optrusty | Somiaj I just decided to go with the normal install |
| 16:38.22 | somiaj | optrusty: have to start somewhere, until we can see things not much anyone can do. |
| 16:38.32 | somiaj | optrusty: this is happening during the install? |
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| 16:39.35 | SrvK | optrusty: Are you installing from usb? |
| 16:39.40 | optrusty | Somiaj When i select graphical install after that it asks for Language, but everything is jibberish to me |
| 16:39.44 | optrusty | SrvK Yes |
| 16:40.25 | somiaj | optrusty: what hardware? I'm thinking your hardware may have issues. But you can do a normal isntall (non graphical)? |
| 16:40.54 | optrusty | Somiaj I am currently on the normal install |
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| 16:41.28 | optrusty | Somiaj GeForce 210, i5-3570k, TP-Link Wifi |
| 16:42.36 | optrusty | Somiaj TP-LINK TL-WDN4800 to be exact |
| 16:42.52 | somiaj | optrusty: so you chose the text not graphical install and still get the same gibbrish? |
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| 16:43.21 | optrusty | Somiaj Nope everything is normal on Text |
| 16:43.34 | optrusty | Somiaj Just teh graphical |
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| 16:44.52 | SrvK | do you have any other computers you can try your installation usb with? |
| 16:45.23 | jelly | optrusty: do you know whether you're using open-source nouveau driver, or the closed nvidia one? |
| 16:45.36 | optrusty | jelly nope |
| 16:45.59 | somiaj | its the install, I think it tries to use some fb driver |
| 16:46.01 | optrusty | SrvK I tried with my MB, it worked fine but I needed a USB mose |
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| 16:46.31 | jelly | oh, this is installer time? |
| 16:46.40 | somiaj | optrusty: are you sure the hardware works. If so you may just ahve to do a text install, then configure the drivers correct. Could be the generic drivers that the installer uses for graphical install is just not working with your ahrdware |
| 16:46.44 | somiaj | jelly: corect |
| 16:47.05 | jelly | I'd try jessie d-i, GT210 might work better with a 2 year newer kernel and nouveau |
| 16:47.23 | jelly | alternatively do the installation in text mode |
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| 16:49.07 | optrusty | somiaj Ok Thanks for the help |
| 16:49.26 | optrusty | somiaj Bye |
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| 17:14.24 | hunteriam | Guys I installed Debian Jessie and immediately my resolution was messed up. Previously some gnome 3 effects had been missing, so that's why I tried Jessie. Then I tried flex, and now I get a black screen after boot. I'm so lost |
| 17:14.34 | hunteriam | Fglrx not flex |
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| 17:32.43 | converge | what happen to a package that is orphaned and the last upstream source release was 3 years ago ? |
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| 17:35.12 | centrx | converge, It will probably stick around until there is a fatal bug/incompatibility or gets a new upstream |
| 17:35.19 | Eu7eixeg | using debian wheezy in a netboot live environment. nfsiostat is showing a high value in the wkB_svr/s field (almost link speed), and am seeing performance problems when this occurs. any ideas how to troubleshoot? |
| 17:35.20 | centrx | converge, What package? |
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| 17:36.00 | converge | centrx: wmii-doc |
| 17:37.02 | Eu7eixeg | my nfs share is exported, and mounted, read-only. |
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| 17:38.05 | centrx | converge, It will probably stick around as long as wmii itself does. doc packages are relatively simple and will not get e.g. compile bugs |
| 17:39.30 | converge | centrx: so it isnt a good idea to start a package maintaining with it ? I looking for learn how to help packing |
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| 17:41.16 | centrx | converge, Oh well the package is still in the system and could use a maintainer and a doc package is probably good to start with |
| 17:41.32 | centrx | converge, So go for it, see also the #debian-mentors channel on irc.oftc.net |
| 17:42.08 | centrx | converge, Notice wmii is still being maintained, to all appearances, last upload was at the beginning of the current release freeze |
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| 17:42.24 | centrx | converge, You might want to get in touch with that maintainer |
| 17:42.47 | converge | centrx: cool, thank you! |
| 17:42.53 | converge | centrx: do you maintain some package? |
| 17:42.59 | centrx | I do not |
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| 17:43.10 | centrx | Submitting patches since 2002 though |
| 17:43.17 | centrx | really lame patches |
| 17:43.46 | converge | great |
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| 18:03.10 | Eu7eixeg | answering my own question, the columns of nfsiostat are not aligned. the high value column was for reads, not writes, and that is expected. |
| 18:03.15 | hunteriam | Debian is just not working for me at all |
| 18:03.35 | hunteriam | When I first installed wheezy off NetBoot, I got a partially not working gnome |
| 18:03.45 | hunteriam | Telling me it failed to load things every session |
| 18:03.52 | hunteriam | Then I updated to Jessie |
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| 18:04.07 | hunteriam | Now the resolution is minimum, 4:3, and my monitors not recognized |
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| 18:04.22 | hunteriam | So I install the proprietary graphics driver fglrx for my amd card |
| 18:04.33 | hunteriam | I run aticonfig --initial, as instructed |
| 18:04.41 | hunteriam | Now I won't boot past a black screen |
| 18:04.56 | hunteriam | So basically, $@#! Debian |
| 18:05.16 | sydney_untangle | hunteriam: Sounds fun. |
| 18:05.27 | blackflow | hunteriam: $@#! ATI more likely. |
| 18:05.36 | blackflow | ATI on Linux, more precisely. |
| 18:05.37 | zykotick9 | hunteriam: _perhaps_ it's your graphics card you should be blaming? i'd suggest asking in #debian-next on oftc |
| 18:05.38 | hunteriam | But seriously how do I fix this |
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| 18:05.39 | sydney_untangle | hunteriam: Ive never dealt wit hte ATi drivers for debian before. |
| 18:05.52 | sydney_untangle | the* |
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| 18:05.56 | CHVNX | http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/as-encryption-spreads-us-worries-about-access-to-data-for-investigations/2015/04/10/7c1c7518-d401-11e4-a62f-ee745911a4ff_story.html |
| 18:05.57 | hunteriam | Well, my GPU works on other distorts |
| 18:06.10 | hunteriam | I get that Debian might not support it as well, but I don't blame my gpu for that |
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| 18:06.28 | hunteriam | If it doesn't. Is there anything I can do? |
| 18:07.36 | blackflow | I tried, like 3 distros on 3 ATI systems in the past 10 years and _always_ had issues. Never with nvidia. Ever. |
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| 18:20.46 | Ooze | GUYS |
| 18:20.50 | Ooze | jelly, |
| 18:20.53 | Ooze | OTHERS |
| 18:20.54 | Ooze | I FOUND IT |
| 18:21.01 | jelly | cake?! |
| 18:21.03 | Ooze | http://h30499.www3.hp.com/t5/ProLiant-Servers-ML-DL-SL/Frequently-rebooting-dl380-g3/td-p/4083102 |
| 18:21.11 | Ooze | HP Compaq Proliant DL380 G3 Power Supply Backplane Module 309629-001 314670-001 |
| 18:21.14 | Ooze | Is what I need |
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| 18:21.26 | Ooze | the answer!! |
| 18:21.31 | Ooze | It's been two weeks |
| 18:21.33 | Ooze | from today |
| 18:21.36 | Ooze | FINALLY |
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| 18:22.49 | pfred1 | Ooze bad caps? |
| 18:22.56 | jelly | Ooze: did you replace the part and verified that was the issue, or are you merely hoping? |
| 18:23.09 | Ooze | I haven't gotten it myself yet |
| 18:23.18 | Ooze | >Sorry I forgot to update the post. |
| 18:23.19 | Ooze | You need to replace the Power Back pane, part no : 309629-001, Spare No 314670-001 |
| 18:23.32 | jelly | it might be that or it might be something else |
| 18:23.33 | Ooze | Some guy who had the exact same issue |
| 18:23.37 | Ooze | and troubleshooted everything that I did |
| 18:23.43 | Ooze | nah it's gotta be this |
| 18:23.46 | Ooze | I get the same errors some all |
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| 18:24.03 | Ooze | :s:some/and |
| 18:24.05 | jelly | not much of errors, tho |
| 18:24.07 | Ooze | sorry I'm what |
| 18:24.28 | Ooze | I got the same iLO log |
| 18:24.30 | Ooze | I have the same machine |
| 18:24.33 | Ooze | I have the same problem |
| 18:24.36 | Ooze | Should be the same fix |
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| 18:26.07 | jelly | no, you have same symptoms, it might or might not be the same cause. |
| 18:26.27 | pfred1 | Ooze what exactly is the power backplane? |
| 18:26.53 | jelly | it's the board to which the hot-pluggable power supplies connect to |
| 18:27.08 | pfred1 | OK so is it just a board, or does it have some parts on it too? |
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| 18:27.27 | jelly | doesn't matter really |
| 18:27.34 | pfred1 | traditionally backplanes were just boards with connectors on them |
| 18:28.04 | pfred1 | of course it matters if it has parts on it one might be bad and easily replaced |
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| 18:30.26 | jelly | pfred1: sure, but since it's 12 years old hw, investing a lot of time to fix it might be more costly than getting a second machine just for spare parts |
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| 18:30.42 | abrotman | (or getting a newer machine) |
| 18:30.49 | pfred1 | jelly yeah I'm looking at a picture of one now it's hash |
| 18:30.55 | pfred1 | its a SMPS |
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| 18:31.21 | pfred1 | every cap in it is probably as dry as dust |
| 18:32.11 | z302 | is it normal that a normal apt-get update now asks me to -downgrade- linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 = |
| 18:32.39 | z302 | I am not installing anything or installed anything since the last apt-get upgrade |
| 18:32.42 | pfred1 | I couldn't install something from BPO yesterday |
| 18:32.42 | jelly | z302: pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64" and "apt-cache policy" |
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| 18:34.30 | z302 | jelly, thanks for your timely response. http://pastebin.com/sUQrc1fK |
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| 18:35.24 | jelly | z302: I suspect your pinning configuration is broken |
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| 18:35.48 | z302 | jelly, what would you suggest? |
| 18:36.08 | teraflop | pastebin does not mean `you use pastebin.com` ;) |
| 18:36.24 | pfred1 | teraflop why doesn't it? |
| 18:36.46 | jelly | z302: move away /etc/apt/preferences or any files in /etc/apt/preferences.d/ directory, do an apt-get update, see if Candidate: for "apt-cache policy linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64" changes |
| 18:36.56 | jelly | !pastebin.com |
| 18:36.59 | dpkg | pastebin.com mangles input, takes forever to load, often makes us enter a CAPTCHA to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please use a different site, like http://paste.debian.net/ |
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| 18:37.39 | pfred1 | it doesn't do any of that to me |
| 18:37.51 | Agent_Isai | !paste.debian.net |
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| 18:37.54 | Agent_Isai | :( |
| 18:38.00 | teraflop | pastebin means in general |
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| 18:38.07 | jelly | pfred1: it does for users without an ad blocker |
| 18:38.21 | jelly | Agent_Isai: use /msg dpkg stuff |
| 18:38.29 | Agent_Isai | Ok |
| 18:38.32 | pfred1 | jelly well get ABP then |
| 18:38.36 | jelly | pfred1: I have it. |
| 18:38.40 | pfred1 | I do too |
| 18:38.54 | z302 | jelly, there is a single file in /etc/apt/preferences and its content is http://paste.debian.net/166317/ |
| 18:39.07 | jelly | pfred1: and I'm not going to tell every user here to change their browser setup |
| 18:39.18 | pfred1 | jelly I was just on a site that was crying about it but they had lousy data anyways |
| 18:39.18 | z302 | jelly, probably worth mentioning altough its pretty obvious that I am using zfsonlinux and I need to keep it working |
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| 18:39.52 | jelly | z302: it's their repo and that config that makes apt want to downgrade. Ask them why. |
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| 18:40.45 | pfred1 | jelly this is backwards http://www.allpinouts.org/index.php/Motherboard_%28CPU%29_3_Pin_Fan_Connector |
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| 18:41.38 | pfred1 | well, sense and ground are transposed |
| 18:41.42 | jelly | pfred1: um, okay? Keep it to debian tech support in here. |
| 18:42.02 | pfred1 | jelly this fan is going into a PSU that will be powering a Debian system |
| 18:42.18 | jelly | pfred1: I have no idea what you're talking about. |
| 18:42.30 | pfred1 | jelly I'm talking about running Debian |
| 18:43.02 | z302 | jelly, alright, thank you very much |
| 18:43.06 | pfred1 | jelly if you can show me how to run Debian without regulated power I'd be quite interested in it |
| 18:43.42 | pfred1 | I bet Google would throw you a few billion dollars too |
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| 18:44.29 | jelly | pfred1: please stick to debian-specific stuff in here is possible. Use ##hardware for discussion of hardware if possible, esp. without context |
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| 18:45.07 | pfred1 | jelly to me this is Debian specific |
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| 18:45.23 | abrotman | not even close |
| 18:45.28 | jelly | pfred1: it's not. I'm giving you a warning, drop it |
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| 18:46.04 | abrotman | That's his MO .. |
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| 18:46.36 | jelly | must be a ragequit weekend |
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| 18:49.38 | gremlin_ | hi all, haw run debian with out gui |
| 18:50.05 | Brigo | gremlin_, what gui are you using? |
| 18:50.18 | gremlin_ | xfce |
| 18:50.21 | Brigo | gremlin_, wheezy or jessie? |
| 18:50.28 | gremlin_ | wheezy |
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| 18:50.44 | abrotman | gremlin_: just remove Xorg |
| 18:50.52 | gremlin_ | lol? |
| 18:50.59 | jelly | z302: for all we know, ZoL may have good reason to force you to a specific kernel build (their other software might be untested with newer patches; the fact it works with your current kernel might be accidental) |
| 18:51.08 | Brigo | or the display manager, better, i think. |
| 18:51.33 | abrotman | gremlin_: That's what you're asking for .. no GUI .. remove Xorg |
| 18:51.39 | gremlin_ | no grub options for run os with out gui |
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| 18:52.12 | jelly | gremlin_: Ctrl-Alt-F1 will take you to a no-GUI console |
| 18:53.12 | gremlin_ | can i start os and after type startx |
| 18:53.35 | jelly | you could also disable the gdm3 service |
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| 18:53.58 | gremlin_ | in debian /etc/iniitab not work |
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| 18:54.34 | jelly | gremlin_: yes, Debian does not use runlevels for that; which debian release are you using? |
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| 18:55.44 | gremlin_ | how i can see ? |
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| 18:56.43 | gremlin_ | how i can see what the debian i use |
| 18:57.19 | jelly | !debian suite |
| 18:57.19 | dpkg | cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc). Or check /etc/apt/sources.list. If unsure about the distribution, $ cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} should grab almost all distributions. |
| 18:58.27 | gremlin_ | i use debian 7.8.0 wheezy |
| 18:59.14 | mjt | hm. On my system, the above command (cat *version etc) returns this: |
| 18:59.17 | mjt | Debian GNU/Linux 8 |
| 18:59.19 | mjt | Red Hat Enterprise Linux Server release 6.5 (Santiago) |
| 18:59.22 | mjt | :) |
| 18:59.32 | mjt | (plus contents of /etc/issue) |
| 18:59.35 | jelly | mjt: burn it with fire. |
| 18:59.42 | mjt | nope |
| 18:59.47 | xcxx | drivers for rtl8723be are in the kernel, so do i need to recompile? the package called firmware-realtek doesn't have the driver. on topic haters do not read! *offtopic warning* when i was on gentoo, i had it compiled into the kernel ;) |
| 18:59.57 | jelly | !nodm |
| 18:59.57 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm gdm3 pdm slim". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (http://www.enricozini.org/sw/nodm/). |
| 19:00.06 | jelly | gremlin_: ^^ what dpkg said. |
| 19:00.25 | mjt | I had to create /etc/redhat_release in order to run some proprietary hw-controlling program which refused to run on debian |
| 19:00.37 | jelly | mjt: FIRE |
| 19:00.48 | mjt | that hw isn't here anymore |
| 19:00.51 | xcxx | so what should i do? |
| 19:01.24 | jelly | !rtl8723be |
| 19:01.24 | dpkg | Realtek RTL8723BE-based PCIe wireless LAN devices (PCI ID 10ec:b723) are supported by the rtl8723be Linux kernel driver introduced at Linux 3.15 (enabled in Debian Linux kernel images at linux 3.16-1~exp1). Firmware from userspace is required (rtlwifi/rtl8723fw.bin, rtlwifi/rtl8723fw_B.bin) and packaged since firmware-realtek 0.39. Not to be confused with <rtl8723ae> devices. |
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| 19:01.38 | jelly | xcxx: which debian release are you using? |
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| 19:02.33 | gremlin_ | Jelly: dpkg said? what i must do? |
| 19:02.44 | xcxx | jelly: i don't need any form of help ;) Thanks for the info. I didn't know that it's supported since 3.15 ;) |
| 19:03.01 | jelly | gremlin_: it gives you some options. |
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| 19:03.46 | jelly | xcxx: well, "<xcxx> so what should i do?" sounded like a request for help... |
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| 19:05.32 | xcxx | jelly: maybe. anyway, why is the firmware marked as non-free? It's clearly GPL |
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| 19:07.40 | jelly | xcxx: it's not in "preferred format for editing" but a blob of binary data and code. This fails GPL. |
| 19:08.34 | xcxx | Wait, open source drivers are in the kernel, previously it was published on github |
| 19:08.50 | gremlin_ | ok... my open source video driver not work. haw in text mode i can install the proprietary video driers for ati/amd cape-verde (hd7770) |
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| 19:09.25 | xcxx | jelly: apt-cache show firmware-realtek and look at homepage ;) |
| 19:09.32 | somiaj | xcxx: also wifi firmware is not open, the drivers are but there are some laws which do require hardare companies to have certain control over the wifi emitters. Most ship this as firmware blob, others put the firmware blob right on the chip itself. In the end this firmware blob is not DSFG. |
| 19:09.48 | jelly | is not willing to explain gpl at this point |
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| 19:09.57 | xcxx | somiaj: i'll find it for you |
| 19:10.21 | somiaj | xcxx: for a whie these blobs were just in the kernel, but part of the dfsg and libre kerenel movement have removed all non-free blobs from the kernel. |
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| 19:11.10 | jelly | xcxx: don't bother. If there is source somewhere and dfsg-free tools to generate binary .fw from said source, then it might be gpl-compliant as interpreted by Debian. |
| 19:11.43 | xcxx | somiaj: https://github.com/lwfinger/rtlwifi_new/ |
| 19:11.46 | jelly | but there is no such source available, there's usually magical hex code in c arrays instead |
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| 19:12.36 | jelly | xcxx: note that files under https://github.com/lwfinger/rtlwifi_new/blob/master/firmware/rtlwifi are not source code |
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| 19:13.54 | xcxx | somiaj: they are written and published by the author on github. Published under GPL... |
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| 19:14.41 | jelly | xcxx: but they're not source, you can't see what's inside and change it as easily as the developers could. |
| 19:15.08 | xcxx | how? https://github.com/lwfinger/rtlwifi_new/tree/master/rtl8723be |
| 19:15.23 | somiaj | xcxx: I personally don't consider non-free firmware as a bad thing. I kinda like that hardware companies can just send me a new firwmare file over having to flash my chip with updates. But unforntally these blobs just can't be classifed as DSFG free because only teh hardware companies can make them (Even if they allow others to package/distribute them). |
| 19:15.24 | jelly | xcxx: did you look at the contents of directory linked above? |
| 19:15.29 | xcxx | https://github.com/lwfinger/rtlwifi_new |
| 19:16.03 | somiaj | or just read the Readme from Realtek talking about the license on the blobs. (: |
| 19:16.26 | xcxx | somiaj: https://github.com/lwfinger/rtlwifi_new/blob/master/README.md |
| 19:16.42 | jelly | xcxx: please browse to https://github.com/lwfinger/rtlwifi_new/blob/master/firmware/rtlwifi and read the license in the readme inside (it's not GPL), and try to find the source code for those .bin files |
| 19:16.58 | somiaj | right in the code you linked, "No reverse engineering, decompilation, or disassembly of this software is permitted." |
| 19:17.02 | somiaj | https://github.com/lwfinger/rtlwifi_new/blob/master/firmware/rtlwifi/Realtek-Firmware-License.txt |
| 19:17.51 | somiaj | though with wifi I am fairly cetain there are some laws that force the company to give us binary blobs to control their hardware, but I could be mistaken here. |
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| 19:18.07 | somiaj | at least that is what I recall intell saying about their non-free blobs. |
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| 19:18.41 | xcxx | jelly: Ok, I didn't know that, but these driver was published under GPL a few months ago, and were in the kernel, vanillia of course... |
| 19:18.49 | xcxx | *drivers |
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| 19:19.17 | jelly | there's *mumble* laws *mumble* EU that force vendors _not_ to disclose ways to change regulation domains in illegal ways |
| 19:19.36 | jelly | xcxx: now you know. |
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| 19:20.07 | jelly | this is one of the reasons Debian very carefully slices the non-free stuff like that out of the kernel |
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| 19:21.15 | xcxx | jelly: the author changed it for no reason. these blobs weren't in the official debian repository, were on github only, with full source code... |
| 19:21.29 | somiaj | yes the drivers are GPL, the binary blobs that the driver uses are not. |
| 19:22.04 | jelly | xcxx: author changed what, sorry? |
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| 19:23.02 | xcxx | jelly: method of distribution into closed source drivers, but that's not true |
| 19:23.06 | xcxx | *the method |
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| 19:23.54 | jelly | sorry, I'm not parsing that |
| 19:24.29 | yei | hola |
| 19:24.35 | jelly | it's late and it's a weekend, I apologize for the inconvenience |
| 19:24.58 | xcxx | jelly: did i say something not clearly? |
| 19:25.49 | jelly | xcxx: the whole of <xcxx> jelly: the author changed it for no reason. these blobs weren't in the official debian repository, were on github only, with full source code... <jelly> xcxx: author changed what, sorry? <xcxx> jelly: method of distribution into closed source drivers, but that's not true |
| 19:26.06 | xcxx | jelly: so, as somiaj said (scroll up) the drivers are GPL, the binary blobs are just closed source binary blobs |
| 19:26.20 | jelly | Alexandro: your script told me I'm -Alexandro- You have been automatically ignored for 5 minutes due to Highlight Spam. |
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| 19:27.16 | jelly | Alexandro: that's just silly. |
| 19:27.25 | xcxx | xcxx: The method of distribution is GPL for source code, binaries are closed source |
| 19:27.44 | xcxx | jelly: ^ |
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| 19:28.21 | somiaj | xcxx: correct and for a long time these blobs just 'hid' in the kernel, but debian and others have removed them all. Debian gives you access to them, it just wants you to know it is non-free. (: |
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| 19:29.08 | jelly | somiaj: careful there, next you'll say non-free is part of debian |
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| 19:29.30 | jelly | hides |
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| 19:30.10 | somiaj | covers jelly with a rock. |
| 19:30.49 | somiaj | jelly: just don't point xcxx at virtual box. Let him unravel that living in contrib. (: |
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| 19:31.03 | xcxx | somiaj: I still don't know why debian doesn't contain open source drivers which are in the kernel, e.g. vanillia. I know what you're talking about... |
| 19:31.26 | jelly | xcxx: which open source drivers is debian missing? |
| 19:31.28 | somiaj | xcxx: the drivers are there. |
| 19:31.38 | somiaj | xcxx: unforntally the drivers don't do much good without the firmware. |
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| 19:34.07 | xcxx | somiaj: I'm confused, right now. So, a few months ago, I was compiling the drivers via gcc, and the drivers didn't need any firmware to work properly, or was it included? |
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| 19:34.58 | somiaj | sounds like the firmware was distributed with the drivers, and if you look though the source code like we pointed out to you with the link you gave us, the firmware blobs are there and have a different license on them. |
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| 19:36.02 | somiaj | xcxx: note I think this is a very subtle issue. because as I said, if the vedor just flashes the firmware on the chip, you would not notice (until you need to flash new firmware to update your chip) |
| 19:36.27 | somiaj | I think it is preferable to just provided the firmware on a file, but that file is not free (by DSFG) |
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| 19:37.52 | soundtoxin | my history only shows 79 lines instead of [way more than that] |
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| 19:38.09 | soundtoxin | I need to find a really specific thing I ran a week or so ago but suddenly my history doesn't go back far at all |
| 19:38.14 | soundtoxin | why would this happen? |
| 19:38.33 | xcxx | somiaj: so, the binary firmware contains kernel, too.... |
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| 19:38.55 | soundtoxin | my .bash_history file shows the same thing as $history |
| 19:39.30 | somiaj | xcxx: 'the binary firmware contains kernel' what is that suppose to mean? |
| 19:40.17 | somiaj | xcxx: yes the binary firmware is lots of times distributed with the kernel. debian (and other places look up librekernel) just package the firmware seperatally because it is non-free |
| 19:40.53 | xcxx | *the kernel |
| 19:40.55 | somiaj | soundtoxin: .bash_history only gets updated if the shell is closed nicely I belive. While the shell is running it is all in memory |
| 19:41.02 | xcxx | Ok, thanks for explaing! |
| 19:41.21 | soundtoxin | somiaj: already tried that route. Closed all my terminals, even rebooted. Tried running the bash command for a new session. I tried ssh from my phone. All the same. |
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| 19:41.29 | somiaj | xcxx: http://www.fsfla.org/ikiwiki/selibre/linux-libre/ |
| 19:41.30 | soundtoxin | My bash history went back *a lot* further in the past |
| 19:42.20 | soundtoxin | it goes back as far as "man scrot", something I ran from ssh on a mac at school some point during the week |
| 19:42.28 | soundtoxin | it should go back months, as it did before |
| 19:42.41 | soundtoxin | is there another file these things save to? |
| 19:42.51 | zykotick9 | soundtoxin: bash histroy is controlled in ~/.bashrc see HISTSIZE and HISTFILESIZE |
| 19:42.52 | soundtoxin | like maybe ever 1000 entries it backs up or something |
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| 19:43.03 | soundtoxin | zykotick9: but when it hits max does all the old stuff get deleted? |
| 19:43.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | soundtoxin, .bash_history is cropped to never exceed a certain size... there are options to change that behavior |
| 19:43.27 | soundtoxin | HISTSIZE=1000 HISTFILESIZE=2000 |
| 19:43.27 | zykotick9 | soundtoxin: i wouldn't think so... it's possible to clear the history however. |
| 19:43.32 | tremon | soundtoxin: sounds like something nuked the history file. There's no second file, maybe try to restore it from backup |
| 19:45.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | soundtoxin, I have HISTFILESIZE=500000;HISTSIZE=15000;HISTCONTROL='ignoreboth:erasedups';shopt -s checkwinsize;export PROMPT_COMMAND="history -a" |
| 19:45.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | (fill in the extra "export"s on the variables as needed) |
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| 19:46.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | soundtoxin, plus... any shell without those options will probably crop .bash_history to the default max size... at least that's what I suspect cropped mine from time to time |
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| 19:46.33 | tremon | none of those variables need to be exported, as they're meant to control bash' behaviour, not other program run by the shell |
| 19:47.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | you might run a shell from the shell, though... and it might not read .bashrc due to some options |
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| 19:47.31 | tremon | ah, true |
| 19:47.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | and you might then still not want your .bash_history cropped |
| 19:49.40 | tapout | how would i generate all packages that I've installed. I'm redoing my box and I can't remember everything I installed |
| 19:50.00 | naptastic | tapout, dpkg --get-selections, I think? |
| 19:50.12 | naptastic | Search for that and you'll find plenty of knowledge :) |
| 19:50.19 | tapout | beautiful |
| 19:50.20 | tapout | thanks bro |
| 19:50.24 | jelly | dpkg, tell tapout about aptitude clone |
| 19:50.38 | naptastic | aptitude clone? I didn't know about this. |
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| 19:51.20 | somiaj | naptastic: it is a bit better in some sense because it saves 'auto' vs 'manual' install falgs on packages. |
| 19:51.40 | tapout | thanks fellas |
| 19:51.57 | somiaj | i.e. dpkg doesn't know about such things, so that info would be lost with dpkg --get-selections and --set-selections |
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| 19:53.06 | naptastic | somiaj, that would have saved me some trouble last time I used it. |
| 19:53.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | tremon, maybe all my "export"s are from the time when my .bash_history was truncated... I never found out what did it, though |
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| 19:56.03 | shurnormal | How is MIDI played under Wheezy? |
| 19:56.32 | CHVNX | https://wiki.debian.org/MIDI |
| 19:56.38 | tremon | CutMeOwnThroat: most of the time I run into issues is when I log into a box where .bash_profile doesn't source .bashrc. I still don't fully grok the reasoning behind the profile/rc split for interactive shells :( |
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| 19:57.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes, that's clearly causing more confusion than it does good |
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| 19:58.07 | tremon | I'd argue that every setup that doesn't source .bashrc in either the global or skeleton .profile is broken, but meh, what do I know |
| 19:58.10 | ompaul | tremon: because - login shells and not login shells - and history |
| 19:58.34 | ompaul | tremon: not all shells are bash |
| 19:58.43 | ompaul | that's also a point (kind of) |
| 19:58.53 | tremon | ok, .bash_profile then :) |
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| 19:59.11 | ompaul | tremon: man bash is useful |
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| 19:59.31 | ompaul | tremon: and I say that without an evil grin - it has that and more in it |
| 19:59.32 | shay_shay | i always source my .profile from .bash_profile and .zprofile, then put shell agnostic things in .profile |
| 19:59.34 | tremon | ompaul: it's also almost 4000 lines long |
| 19:59.41 | shay_shay | so i dont have to repeat myself |
| 20:00.03 | ompaul | tremon: Shift G ?? |
| 20:00.03 | shay_shay | as much |
| 20:00.28 | ompaul | tremon: it's in the files section ;-) |
| 20:00.45 | tremon | heh. shift G in man bash brings me to the "reporting bugs" section. subtle hint? |
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| 20:01.25 | ompaul | tremon: eh sorry Shift g |
| 20:01.27 | ompaul | but yeh |
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| 20:01.57 | ompaul | tremon: the shift G should bring you to the end of the man file (ymmv but I don't know why) |
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| 20:02.47 | tremon | I know it does, it just depends on your terminal size which line it ends up at :) |
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| 20:03.49 | ompaul | http://linux.die.net/man/1/bash and CTRL F for bashrc |
| 20:03.57 | ompaul | but then again you solved that one |
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| 20:04.25 | tremon | let's just drop it, I already know how bash behaves. I'll just point out that combining the man page description of ~/.bashrc and bash' behaviour implies that a login shell is not an interactive shell |
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| 20:04.50 | leposeur | How is Debian 8 KDE going to look? Does anyone have screenies of the default desktop? |
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| 20:05.00 | leposeur | Will it have oxygen-gtk by default? |
| 20:05.03 | tremon | that may be true by bash' definition, but a login shell still interacts with me |
| 20:05.34 | shay_shay | leposeur: I think you have to install oxygen-gtk |
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| 20:05.45 | leposeur | shay_shay: I know |
| 20:05.50 | shay_shay | leposeur: at least you did last time I tried it |
| 20:06.15 | shay_shay | leposeur: you just said """leposeurWill it have oxygen-gtk by default?""" |
| 20:06.23 | leposeur | shay_shay: Yup, it's kind of annoying, but that, I think, is in the hands of the KDE team |
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| 20:06.47 | leposeur | shay_shay: I know 7 does not |
| 20:06.53 | shay_shay | I'm confused, are you asking us or telling us? |
| 20:07.05 | leposeur | No |
| 20:07.36 | tremon | leposeur: it will not have gtk3-engines-oxygen by default. But it will have kde-style-oxygen |
| 20:07.46 | leposeur | tremon: Oh, okay |
| 20:08.03 | leposeur | Does anyone have screenies of what the default desktop will look like |
| 20:08.10 | tremon | whether that means gtk application will be ugly, I don't know |
| 20:08.54 | leposeur | tremon: It will if the engines or the oxygen-gtk theme is not installed |
| 20:08.54 | shay_shay | tremon: yes the gtk apps are pretty ugly, i'm surprised that component isnt installed by default but ... this is debian so then again not that surprised |
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| 20:10.12 | shay_shay | if it serves as a way to repel noobs who cant be bothered to install it then i say bring it on |
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| 20:13.49 | shurnormal | Thank you. |
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| 20:18.49 | Pnoexz | hey, I'm installing Debian on a new PC using an usb stick, YUMI and the live version (7.8.0 amd 64), when it gets to "Detect and mount CD-ROM" it fails to read it.. I'm not sure if there was a problem with the usb stick, or if it's trying to access the CD drive.. is there a way I can know why it's not working? |
| 20:19.06 | abrotman | What is Yumi? |
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| 20:19.46 | Pnoexz | abrotman: it's an application to make Linuxes booteable from USB sticks, http://www.pendrivelinux.com/yumi-multiboot-usb-creator/ |
| 20:19.47 | ary | Some one help-me to fix this? http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30801 same problem, same hardware. I think is a driver problem, when I used fglrx-legacy-driver the game runs without problem, but with firmware-linux-nonfree we got this same problem. |
| 20:20.34 | abrotman | Pnoexz: we generally tell people to use win32diskimager .. others seem to mangle the image in mysterious ways |
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| 20:22.55 | abrotman | Pnoexz: or do as the instructoins say, use cp |
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| 20:23.16 | Pnoexz | abrotman: I'll try with that one, thanks.. cp? |
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| 20:23.32 | abrotman | Pnoexz: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en |
| 20:24.19 | Pnoexz | abrotman: alright, thanks for the help |
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| 20:29.15 | merdam | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cqy4-vCo0M |
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| 20:31.56 | ElOcho | Hi everybody, I'm running debian 7.0 LXDE and was wondering why it is that whenever I download large files my cpu usage goes through the roof. I was trying to watch a video while it was downloading but it kept freezing intermittently. |
| 20:32.37 | ompaul | ElOcho: was the video on the same machine |
| 20:32.38 | ElOcho | Is there anything I can do to make downloads use only a certain percentage? |
| 20:32.42 | ElOcho | yup |
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| 20:33.10 | ompaul | ElOcho: you can do lots depending on the tool you are downloading with |
| 20:33.35 | ompaul | ElOcho: look at a program called trickle |
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| 20:33.58 | ompaul | ElOcho: how much spare room have you got on your disk? |
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| 20:34.21 | ElOcho | 400GB |
| 20:34.29 | ompaul | spare out of what? |
| 20:35.03 | ompaul | let me help you here - this is about precentages |
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| 20:40.29 | ElOcho | ompaul: Reading the man page for trickle, I think I should have been a little more specific. It's not when I download from the Internet things run smoothly then, it's when I'm transferring large files from my external HD to my desktop. |
| 20:41.01 | ompaul | ElOcho: how old is that box? |
| 20:41.10 | ElOcho | 2008 |
| 20:41.29 | ompaul | ElOcho: I'm going to point yiou in the direction of a shop |
| 20:41.35 | ElOcho | lol |
| 20:41.40 | ompaul | ElOcho: you want more cpu and ram |
| 20:41.43 | ElOcho | still plays half life |
| 20:41.46 | ompaul | cheaper to get a new box |
| 20:41.57 | ompaul | ElOcho: on board bus speeds etc |
| 20:41.58 | ElOcho | yeah I know it's kind of a junker |
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| 20:42.52 | ElOcho | so you don't know any way to cap the copy paste cpu usage? |
| 20:43.17 | ompaul | ElOcho: you can use nice but you need to do it on a by process basis I wouldn't even look at that |
| 20:43.37 | ompaul | put the disk in the same enclosure and it will go faster but eh not really the best solution |
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| 20:44.55 | ompaul | ElOcho: you have now met the i/o bound problem that we licked when we got out of 386 kind of funny how it's back |
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| 20:45.49 | ElOcho | It could just be LXDE idk, LXDE is pretty buggy in a few areas |
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| 21:00.43 | AvocetVIS | so i asked in #dovecot, maybe you guys can help, here's some of the logs: http://pastebin.ca/2970912 seems to be some sort of ssl issue.. but i'm lost |
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| 21:12.02 | tremon | AvocetVIS: http://blog.laimbock.com/2014/04/19/dovecot-self-signed-certificates-and-unknown-ca-problem/ ? |
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| 21:12.42 | tremon | the paths may not be identical, maybe you can strace the dovecot process to find out where it looks |
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| 21:18.24 | ompaul | sslv3 is dead |
| 21:18.39 | ompaul | AvocetVIS: ^^ |
| 21:19.00 | AvocetVIS | yeah i've learned that from dovecot lol |
| 21:19.03 | AvocetVIS | trial and error |
| 21:19.37 | ompaul | so kill it off and get up to date and then move on if you have real problems |
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| 21:22.40 | Pnoexz | hey, I'm using this image to install Debian debian-live-7.8.0-amd64-gnome-desktop.iso. Is there a way to not install the desktop interface and the other unnecessary things like the printing server and libreoffice? I'd really rather not have to redownload an iso. |
| 21:23.50 | somiaj | Pnoexz: not with the live system isntaller. The live installer isntalls an exact copy of the live system you are running. |
| 21:24.07 | somiaj | Pnoexz: you will need to download the netinstall iso (only about 300megs) and then install what you want after you get a minimial system installed. |
| 21:24.28 | somiaj | Pnoexz: note, you can just remove the packages you don't want after the install is complete. |
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| 21:25.57 | Pnoexz | somiaj: makes sense, but it's just a tasksel checkbox so I thought somebody had thought of adding that configuration option. Thanks for the answer |
| 21:26.14 | somiaj | Pnoexz: note with the live image. With a standard installer that is the case |
| 21:26.41 | somiaj | Pnoexz: I coudl be wrong, but afik the live image makes a exact copy of the image and puts it on the HD as opposed to going though teh normal DI installer and downloading additional packages after the install. |
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| 21:27.58 | ompaul | somiaj: which might be teh w4y 4word some day |
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| 21:30.44 | somiaj | Pnoexz: http://live.debian.net/manual/stable/html/live-manual/customizing-installer.en.html (hmm guess I was slightly mistaken, seems it could have a copy of D-I on it, you might just have to make sure boot into the installer over the live system) |
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| 21:31.16 | somiaj | Pnoexz: in that case, yes it is just a matter of not select 'Desktop' at the tasksel page. |
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| 21:32.41 | somiaj | Yea look at the difference between 'Normal' and 'Live' debian installer. The 'Live' installer doesn't use deboot strap, but makes an image from the live system then allows additional software to be installed |
| 21:32.52 | Pnoexz | somiaj: oooh. thanks a lot for that link, I'll take a look |
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| 21:33.12 | somiaj | my guess is the premade images include only the "Live" installer. |
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| 21:33.43 | Pnoexz | yeah, I'll just leave it as it is |
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| 21:38.46 | bn` | How do I install python3.4 on Debian Wheezy without mixing it with unstable? Is there a backport? I did not find one. I want to install the software from http://taiga.io at the end |
| 21:39.11 | ompaul | ,v python |
| 21:39.12 | judd | Package: python on i386 -- squeeze: 2.6.6-3+squeeze7; wheezy: 2.7.3-4+deb7u1; sid: 2.7.9-1; jessie: 2.7.9-1 |
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| 21:39.25 | OSVG | ,v python3 |
| 21:39.26 | judd | Package: python3 on i386 -- squeeze: 3.1.3-12+squeeze1; wheezy: 3.2.3-6; jessie: 3.4.2-2; sid: 3.4.2-2; experimental: 3.4.3-1 |
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| 21:39.56 | axel_fly | hi @ all |
| 21:39.59 | ompaul | bn`: build that yourself or install testing |
| 21:40.22 | ompaul | which will be stable in about 20 days + or - 10 or so |
| 21:40.32 | bn` | ok then I should build it by myself |
| 21:40.43 | axel_fly | i love debian jessie! |
| 21:40.47 | somiaj | python can be core enough need to be very carefulu when installing other versions. Another option is run a testing chroot and run your python scripts inside the chroot. |
| 21:40.48 | bn` | oh well I can not wait 20 days. we have a lot of projects :) |
| 21:40.51 | ompaul | bn`: depends - you could get it jessie |
| 21:40.55 | axel_fly | it getting stable next time |
| 21:41.17 | ompaul | bn`: testing will be released about the 25th of april |
| 21:41.19 | somiaj | bn`: I'd just use a testing chroot, trying to change python versions could be a lot more work than just building the new package. |
| 21:41.22 | bn` | ompaul: would you say it is safe to upgrade to testing from a fresh (some hours ago) install of stable? |
| 21:41.36 | ompaul | bn`: as safe as testing can ever be |
| 21:41.40 | somiaj | bn`: always backup, but yes fairly safe. Only thing you miss in testing is security support right now. |
| 21:41.40 | bn` | lol |
| 21:41.42 | ompaul | bn`: I've run SId for years |
| 21:41.46 | ompaul | sid that is |
| 21:41.48 | axel_fly | the only thing i am missing is gnome-software.... that would improve debian also for new user :) |
| 21:42.04 | bn` | ompaul: but I guess not on the server that will be the heart of the whole company |
| 21:42.52 | OSVG | bn`: It would be far easier for you to just install python3.4 from source. |
| 21:42.54 | bn` | somiaj: yeah there are backups, but it costs time to reinstall |
| 21:43.01 | OSVG | If that is the only thing you want out of Jessie/Sid |
| 21:43.22 | bn` | there might be other requirements for the taiga.io software |
| 21:43.31 | OSVG | https://docs.python.org/3/using/unix.html |
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| 21:43.48 | OSVG | Then you would need to source those dependencies regardless of how you installed python3 |
| 21:44.04 | bn` | well thx, i'll try |
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| 21:45.47 | somiaj | bn`: a jessie chroot is really easy to make |
| 21:46.06 | somiaj | bn`: are you doing any graphical stuff with python or just standard stuff you could do from a shell? |
| 21:46.37 | somiaj | bn`: and you can run this on your machine without pugrading. |
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| 21:46.59 | bn` | i do not know what python is used for by that software |
| 21:47.22 | somiaj | it is just a little extra work to run stuff in xorg from inside a chroot. |
| 21:47.41 | somiaj | If you don't mind no secuirty support testing is basically stable (slightly less than 100 relese critical bugs) |
| 21:47.46 | bn` | that machine will not have any x server |
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| 21:48.17 | somiaj | bn`: then running stuff in a chroot is fairly easy to use. '1) use chroot to create the chroot, 2) mount --bind anythig you may need |
| 21:48.17 | bn` | well security support will be there from 25th on |
| 21:48.25 | somiaj | yea it will be there after the release. |
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| 21:48.42 | somiaj | bn`: 3) chroot into the install, install any software you need. |
| 21:48.46 | ompaul | assuming they don't put off the day if they do it will most likely max a week or so |
| 21:49.34 | bn` | somiaj: ok i'll try the chroot method |
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| 21:50.30 | ahop | Hi! |
| 21:50.46 | ahop | Can I change easily the name here on my debian server: |
| 21:50.57 | ahop | root@ns3285189:/home/ |
| 21:51.06 | ahop | ^^ how to change ns3285189 |
| 21:51.47 | ompaul | where did it get the name ns3... from |
| 21:52.01 | tremon | !tell ahop -about hostname |
| 21:52.02 | ompaul | ahop: yeah you change the hostname file |
| 21:52.35 | ompaul | and then your network may not find it - if you have funny stuff referring to that |
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| 21:52.41 | ahop | Do I need to restart server ? |
| 21:52.56 | ompaul | it would be a good idea |
| 21:52.57 | ahop | will it change the something (it's a dedicated distant server) |
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| 21:52.59 | tremon | make sure to check /etc/hosts as well, some VPSes make the local hostname to resolve to 127.0.0.1 |
| 21:53.06 | ompaul | ahop: that's not a great idea then |
| 21:53.13 | ahop | ok then |
| 21:53.24 | ahop | I would like to do a screenshot of a few command lines |
| 21:53.40 | ahop | and would like to avoid to show my ns** (even if noone cares) |
| 21:53.56 | ompaul | then just do what we said |
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| 21:54.13 | tremon | err... if that's your goal... |
| 21:54.17 | ahop | yes lol |
| 21:54.18 | tremon | why not just change PS1? |
| 21:54.23 | ahop | what's PS1? |
| 21:54.36 | ompaul | prompt |
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| 21:54.47 | tremon | it's the shell prompt, it defines what is shown before your cursor |
| 21:55.00 | ompaul | it reports that foo on screen |
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| 21:55.12 | ompaul | so you can have it say "meh@moo |
| 21:55.12 | ahop | ow ok! is it easy to change that in one line? |
| 21:55.34 | tremon | try PS1='\u@myobfuscatedhostname:\W\$ ' |
| 21:55.42 | ompaul | https://www.kirsle.net/wizards/ps1.html |
| 21:55.44 | ahop | imagine that for a doc, you need a screenshot of what you have to do in CLI |
| 21:55.55 | ahop | would you do this? |
| 21:56.05 | ahop | or maybe some online service that allows to create nice CLI screenshots? |
| 21:56.18 | ompaul | screen shot a full size bash screen |
| 21:56.18 | teraflop | ahop: or use asciinema |
| 21:56.26 | ompaul | wanders away |
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| 21:58.13 | teraflop | or use a paste service like sprunge, or connect via ssh from a vt and take a screenshot or .... |
| 21:58.24 | nrauler | A ran resize2fs from my SSH session (because I though it won't take ages) and now I am afraid that it will get killed when I disconnect from the server. Do you know if it will get killed if the connection drops? |
| 21:58.28 | ahop | teraflop : oh nice! |
| 21:58.30 | ahop | very nice |
| 21:58.39 | ompaul | or install debian on a local box and do it locally |
| 21:58.42 | ompaul | yah |
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| 21:59.05 | tremon | nrauler: it will get killed yes, unless you had the foresight to run it inside screen (or used nohup) |
| 21:59.35 | jelly | nrauler: it probably will. |
| 21:59.41 | nrauler | tremon: no nohup or screen |
| 21:59.42 | tremon | however the actual resizing may be a kernel process, and it /may/ happily continue anyway |
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| 21:59.56 | tremon | I wouldn't rely on that though, better to keep the connection alive |
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| 22:00.38 | jelly | nrauler: growing or shrinking? growing is reasonably fast, might want to wait a couple more minutes |
| 22:00.39 | nrauler | tremon: yeah, I don't want to rely on the kernel thing, but I also cannot guarantee that the connection won't drop. I won't close the session myself but anything can happen. |
| 22:00.59 | nrauler | jelly: I added 2x6TB drives and I grow my LV (LVM) |
| 22:01.17 | MadMan2021 | nrauler: Sharing some ? |
| 22:01.24 | nrauler | 2x6TB in raid1 |
| 22:01.48 | jelly | nrauler: it's usually safe to kill resize2fs doing online growing. Sometimes a reboot is needed to be able to continue, |
| 22:01.49 | nrauler | MadMan2021: I don't get you. all drives are unmounted and I do all things offline |
| 22:02.06 | jelly | nrauler: why are you growing the fs offline? |
| 22:02.55 | nrauler | jelly: because I really care about the data, although I ran resize2fs without nohup/screen |
| 22:03.27 | jelly | nrauler: online growing is better tested than offline. |
| 22:03.47 | nrauler | jelly: didn't know that. I should research better next time I do something similar |
| 22:03.56 | jelly | yes; if you really care, you should be doing it online |
| 22:04.09 | MadMan2021 | nrauler: Can also agree with these guys. |
| 22:04.11 | nrauler | do you guys know if I can adjust the resize2fs so that it won't process the NOHUP |
| 22:04.23 | jelly | just quiesce IO, if you do a LOT of it resize2fs sometimes gets stuck |
| 22:05.04 | nrauler | jelly: what is "quiesce"? |
| 22:05.05 | tremon | IO on an unmounted filesystem? or do you mean the rest of the system? |
| 22:05.19 | jelly | reduce the number of io operations. |
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| 22:05.30 | jelly | tremon: I mean next time, when he does it online. |
| 22:05.42 | tremon | ah. makes sense :) |
| 22:05.51 | ahop | teraflop: asciinema is great |
| 22:06.01 | ahop | but even if I modified PS1 |
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| 22:06.17 | nrauler | so, can I tell the system to nor process NOHUP for resize2fs? |
| 22:06.21 | ahop | then starting "asciinema rec" display the old PS1 :( |
| 22:06.24 | ahop | any idea? |
| 22:06.28 | jelly | ahop: and https://showterm.io/ ? |
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| 22:06.45 | tremon | nrauler: seems so: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/625409/how-do-i-put-an-already-running-process-under-nohup#625436 |
| 22:07.10 | teraflop | ahop: hmm nop |
| 22:07.51 | nrauler | tremon: yeah, but I don't know if resize2fs will ask me something to input at the end. Or it will just print something and exit? |
| 22:07.56 | ahop | Doing $ PS1="..." changes only for current bahs |
| 22:08.05 | ahop | then if I start a new bash, it's lost |
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| 22:08.25 | teraflop | ahop: you mean you record the process of changing the PS1? |
| 22:08.25 | tremon | nrauler: I don't think resize2fs will ever ask anything |
| 22:08.53 | tremon | ahop: you can put that line in ~/.bashrc (and ~/.bash_profile) to make it permanent |
| 22:08.57 | teraflop | ahop: ^, make it persistend in your bashrc or whatever you use |
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| 22:09.39 | nrauler | tremon: ok, I will try this and hope it will be OK, but... In case of a failure related to the growing of the underlying filesystem what might be the consequences? I know this is a bit generic question without any details so I will explain my configuration here |
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| 22:10.37 | nrauler | tremon: I have 2x2TB in raid1, 2x3TB in raid1, 2x3TB in raid1 and 2x6TB in raid1. All these (4 in total) raid1 arrays are PVs which populate only one VG and there is only one LV created from that VG. Currently everything is offline and only the resize2fs is working. |
| 22:10.46 | ahop | Ok i'll change in .bashrc |
| 22:10.47 | ahop | thx |
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| 22:11.39 | frostschutz | nrauler, the consequence is, your data is *poof* gone |
| 22:11.56 | nrauler | frostschutz: too bad because this machine is part of a gluster |
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| 22:12.48 | tremon | nrauler: resize2fs can normally be interrupted without negative effects, although I've never had to myself. I won't try to predict what happens during a power outage |
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| 22:14.33 | nrauler | tremon: you are right. I will wait and hope for the best. Meanwhile I would like to monitor the progress but as I didn't issue the "-p" option (for progress) there is no way for me to tell how much I am going to wait. Doing "strace" on the resize2fs I can see that it is doing something poll/fseek/etc but I don't how far it has gone |
| 22:14.37 | tremon | worst case (well, apart from the sun dying) is that the entire filesystem is corrupted beyond recovery |
| 22:14.59 | tremon | nrauler: if it's part of a gluster setup, don't you have network resiliency? i.e. the same data is on another node? |
| 22:15.01 | frostschutz | nrauler, ext4 can't grow past 16TiB, you're still below, just something to keep in mind for the future |
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| 22:15.41 | nrauler | tremon: no, I don't have any mirrors yet |
| 22:15.53 | nrauler | frostschutz: thanks. Didn't know that too! |
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| 22:17.15 | tremon | frostschutz: wiki says it can grow to 1EB (although not recommended) |
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| 22:17.39 | nrauler | tremon: currently I use gluster to expand and hope that raid1 would help locally on the nodes |
| 22:17.44 | tremon | https://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Ext4_Howto#Bigger_File_System_and_File_Sizes |
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| 22:19.49 | frostschutz | tremon, note? you can create larger filesystems but resize2fs does not support the change of addressing and smaller filesystems start out with 32bit |
| 22:20.01 | tremon | yeah, I just noticed the note :) |
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| 22:20.56 | tremon | it's a different color, so my mind assumed it was an ad and blocked it |
| 22:20.56 | nrauler | guys, do you know if it is normally for resize2fs to have CPU utilization at 0.5? |
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| 22:21.38 | frostschutz | tremon, the note is probably outdated, but the problem exists and most people who hit it convert to btrfs (since btrfs actually offers a way to convert) |
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| 22:22.05 | naptastic | nrauler, do you mean that it's consuming all of one CPU core, and you have 2 cores? |
| 22:22.42 | naptastic | nrauler, It is likely that it's doing a lot of I/O and is blocked, meaning that it will run up system load. This is nothing to worry about. |
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| 22:22.47 | nrauler | no, the machine has 8 cores, ps axuf reports 0.5 CPU utilization from the resize2fs while htop reports %0 |
| 22:23.56 | tremon | resize2fs is probably i/o bound, not cpu. 6TB is a lot of inodes to write, assuming default allocation size |
| 22:24.36 | naptastic | nrauler, run `vmstat -SM 1`, watch it for 10 seconds or so, and tell us what's going on with the second column from the left. |
| 22:24.42 | naptastic | Don't pastebin it; there's no point. |
| 22:27.33 | nrauler | naptastic: the second column from the left is procs.b and it is always 0. If you are asking about the cpu.id it is about 99 or 100 all the time |
| 22:28.09 | naptastic | The second column is the number of processes blocked from running, either because there are no CPUs available, or they're waiting for I/O to finish. |
| 22:28.37 | naptastic | So, you're CPU bound (which is slightly surprising.) Still... I wouldn't be too worried. |
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| 22:29.32 | nrauler | naptastic: now I get you. So there are no blocked processes which should be OK. |
| 22:29.48 | naptastic | Indeed :) |
| 22:30.47 | nrauler | naptastic: so I will do a detailed research next time before I issue any sensitive commands. Now I will nohup the running resize2fs just in case and hope for the best |
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| 22:35.55 | ahop | Do you think I could improve this page: http://thisisvoid.org/howtoinstall |
| 22:36.08 | ahop | to make it clearer for both the experienced people and the newcomer? |
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| 22:38.18 | abrotman | anything that suggests using FTP is okay should be improved |
| 22:39.46 | ompaul | ahop: I will expand on that last line, ftp advice is not the best way forward - use scp or sftp which is derived from ssh |
| 22:39.54 | ahop | abrotman ok I should write SFTP |
| 22:40.40 | ompaul | ahop: do these steps - capture your adding every command and page to the system - use that as the basis for your story |
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| 22:41.02 | ahop | ompaul what do you mean? |
| 22:41.08 | ahop | by capture |
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| 22:41.28 | ompaul | get - copy - command | tee >> my-commands |
| 22:41.49 | ahop | oh sorry I don't know that. What is it? |
| 22:42.16 | ompaul | seriously if you want to write a help site type this man tee |
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| 22:42.51 | ompaul | learn and understand your toolset |
| 22:43.04 | ahop | I just learnt tee! |
| 22:43.06 | ahop | thx :) |
| 22:43.36 | ompaul | did you type info tee like it said and then type linux tee examples into a search engine ? |
| 22:45.37 | ahop | info tee gives some goog examples indeed |
| 22:46.02 | saptech | hi all |
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| 22:46.47 | saptech | what is the name of the apps update icon name? the one show in the tray when there are updates to packages |
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| 22:50.01 | ahop | is this grammatically correct: |
| 22:50.02 | ahop | I have some experience with creating websites, |
| 22:50.57 | ompaul | ##english |
| 22:53.44 | abrotman | ompaul: Technically, ##English ... /me ducks |
| 22:54.48 | ompaul | notes the protocol for irc does not discriminate |
| 22:55.57 | ompaul | grins with no shred of obsequious in the general direction of abrotman |
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| 22:58.26 | ruukasu | which package contains su? |
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| 22:59.01 | abrotman | dpkg: tell ruukasu about apt-file |
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| 23:00.34 | praxis | hello, anyone know how to get the touch pad make left clicks in debian 8 jessie (sparkylinux gameover 3.6) |
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| 23:01.06 | abrotman | praxis: You'll have to ask the channel for your distro |
| 23:01.13 | abrotman | praxis: if they can't help you, try ##linux |
| 23:01.44 | praxis | ok thanks |
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| 23:03.21 | ruukasu | abrotman: thanks |
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| 23:04.42 | t0ast | anyone know their java???? i need a hand |
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| 23:05.41 | abrotman | t0ast: please be more descriptive |
| 23:06.34 | t0ast | im trying to add onto a simple java irc bot. im trying to read a string and write to the channel. im new |
| 23:06.53 | t0ast | so my bot can op me or something |
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| 23:07.59 | abrotman | t0ast: Have you tried ##java? |
| 23:08.11 | t0ast | no i havent. thx |
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| 23:21.33 | praxis | hi, does anyone know where i can find a user manual for debian 8 jessie ? |
| 23:21.37 | likecolacola | i upgraded from stable to testing and from time to time the keyboard stop answering :( |
| 23:21.49 | likecolacola | it's an old laptop(but good enough to run testing without problems) |
| 23:21.56 | likecolacola | it might be hardware... or software :\ |
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| 23:22.02 | likecolacola | if someone has any idea let me know :P |
| 23:22.37 | Rust3dCor3 | i have the keyboard issue. my laptop is plugged to the same electric outlet as the fridge |
| 23:22.44 | centrx | praxis, Most basic things are the same from release to release. Do you have a particular topic in mind? |
| 23:22.54 | Rust3dCor3 | when the fridge stops working my usb keyboard stops working also |
| 23:23.11 | Rust3dCor3 | i need to tap space on the laptop keyboard, so the system detects my usb keyboard |
| 23:23.24 | centrx | praxis, e.g. this is excellent: http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/ |
| 23:23.43 | abrotman | praxis: again, ask the channel for your distro, this isn't it |
| 23:23.47 | likecolacola | Rust3dCor3, if i close session it start working too... |
| 23:24.00 | likecolacola | Rust3dCor3, but i don't know if you're trolling hehe |
| 23:24.08 | praxis | i need to make the touch pad make left click ... no option for it in keyboard/mouse settings |
| 23:24.23 | Rust3dCor3 | likecocacola: im not trolling. im living in a dorm so its a crowded space |
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| 23:24.32 | likecolacola | my problem is a shame :P, because i love that laptop, is the only one i have and i use it everyday for classes :p |
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| 23:24.45 | abrotman | praxis: We do not support Sparky Linux here, ask your distro support. They have a forum on their website. Otherwise, ask ##linux |
| 23:25.58 | Rust3dCor3 | likecocacola: i have no idea what causes our problems and i have no idea how to fix them. prolly we should change the power outlets or something |
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| 23:26.22 | Rust3dCor3 | likecocacola: ps. its a very old fridge. and very old = high energy comsumption |
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| 23:26.38 | likecolacola | Rust3dCor3, but the moment i exit the session my keyboard start working again, isn't it a signal of a software issue? |
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| 23:26.41 | centrx | Your fridge runs Debian? |
| 23:27.33 | Rust3dCor3 | likecocacola: try not loging out, but tapping the original keyboard. it might help. |
| 23:27.42 | Ronald_Reagan | Iâd like a fridge that runs debian |
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| 23:28.06 | Roland- | does anyone know a good block level backup software? |
| 23:28.07 | Rust3dCor3 | likecocacola: in my issue both (the usb keyboard and usb mouse) are going offline when i have the power issue made by my fridge |
| 23:28.14 | Roland- | by block level I refer to lvm |
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| 23:28.21 | Roland- | among other things |
| 23:29.39 | likecolacola | Rust3dCor3, btw my nick is colacola, not cocacola :D |
| 23:30.08 | Rust3dCor3 | likecolacola: oh lel. im a bit *not sober*, so sorry :P |
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| 23:36.20 | likecolacola | Rust3dCor3, of course it's okey mate |
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| 23:37.16 | owen1 | does anyone remember the command i can pipe output into and it will 'squeeze' the columns by removing whitespaces? |
| 23:37.22 | owen1 | i can't remember it's name |
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| 23:43.13 | centrx | owen1, tr -s " " |
| 23:43.16 | centrx | thanks for pointing it out |
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| 23:46.43 | Cullz | the new gnome needs third party plugins just to customise things. looks like a bit of a stability / security fail. |
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| 23:47.19 | Cullz | i tried mate de but it freezes from time to time |
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| 23:48.26 | Cullz | so I'm lost for which desktop environment to use with debian |
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| 23:48.52 | Rust3dCor3 | Cullz: try xfce |
| 23:49.37 | Cullz | i like the older gnome classic, but i think it's no longer going to be maintained |
| 23:49.45 | svetlana | try them all, then remove ones you dislike |
| 23:49.51 | Cullz | +1 |
| 23:50.03 | svetlana | couple gnome forks are maintained with a passion, cinammon or mate or something |
| 23:50.05 | svetlana | classic style |
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| 23:50.36 | Cullz | i really like mate's style, but it froze quite a few times |
| 23:50.51 | svetlana | ask them for help how to troubleshoot |
| 23:51.00 | svetlana | #mate |
| 23:51.00 | centrx | Cullz, XFCE, LXDE, openbox |
| 23:51.10 | centrx | Cullz, cinnamon and mate are both in jessie (next release of Debian) |
| 23:51.12 | Cullz | yeah - mate's also about twice as slow as gnome3 |
| 23:51.41 | Cullz | svetlana: oh - i didn't realise |
| 23:52.00 | abrotman | Cullz: try Cinnamon if you want that interface, another might be LXDE |
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| 23:54.13 | Julirinias | Is there a version/fork of Debian without SELinux? |
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| 23:54.46 | abrotman | Julirinias: it's not enabled by default |
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| 23:56.10 | Julirinias | by "not enabled", do you mean that it's installed, it's sitting there lurking, yet reports itself as not "on"? |
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| 23:57.55 | Julirinias | by default, are the SELinux source files compiled and installed---even if not turned "on"---in Stable, and in Testing, current versions of Debian? |
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