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| 00:05.14 | scottt | Hello, I am looking for developers to help with OpenDebian, an open source form of Debian |
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| 00:07.03 | scottt | Our goal is to replace all the proprietary components with open source equivalents |
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| 00:09.49 | shurnormal | Isn't that already Debian. |
| 00:10.25 | centrx | Bravo. Good joke. |
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| 00:11.02 | shurnormal | I don't know I just came to ask how to play MIDI files under Wheezy. |
| 00:11.42 | scottt | Recently our members have grown tired with the encumbered nature of software, and as many of us know Debian already OpenDebian was an obvious choice |
| 00:12.25 | centrx | shurnormal, timidity is an oft-used MIDI player |
| 00:13.36 | Julirinias | scottt: is Debian backdoored? Will your OpenDebian be backdoored as well? |
| 00:14.04 | scottt | Our goal is also to close any remaining backdoors in the software |
| 00:14.30 | shurnormal | centrx: Someone told me YOUR_WIKI/MIDI and I found out there :D. |
| 00:15.04 | Julirinias | scottt: do you have a url showing/discussing backdoors in Debian? |
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| 00:16.33 | abrotman | scottt: Do you need help with Debian? |
| 00:16.42 | abrotman | scottt: this is a support channel |
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| 00:18.23 | abrotman | scottt: I'm not a bot |
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| 00:19.11 | lyonsb | april first was 10 days ago. |
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| 00:21.34 | Julirinias | abrotman: support channel, you say? I need the following support: could someone in this #channel please show me a URL that would show an official Debian statement declaring that current Stable, or Testing, versions of Debian ARE NOT BACKDOORED, to the best of their knowledge? |
| 00:22.13 | abrotman | Julirinias: It's open source, you can look at the source yourself |
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| 00:22.20 | Julirinias | to the best of Debian Org's knowledge, that is. |
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| 00:25.28 | Julirinias | abrotman: why wouldn't Debian Org make such an extremely important, pivotal, statement? Is it because Debian Org is in bed with NSA? |
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| 00:29.23 | abrotman | Julirinias: It's open source, it's easy for you to verify. Use some common sense. |
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| 00:32.48 | scottt | OpenDebain hereby verifies all versions of OpenDebian are not backdoored to the best of our knowledge |
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| 00:33.31 | abrotman | scottt: that's enough of that |
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| 00:34.40 | abrotman | damn trolls |
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| 00:34.52 | Julirinias | That's as slimy an answer as saying "It is our policy not to confirm, nor to deny." It is not easy at all "to verify" by reading the sources---only security experts can determine the security ramifications of what the sources do. How hard is it for Debian Org to write a valid statement on the Home page, based on its experts analysis of the code, that Debian is not backdoored? |
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| 00:35.05 | abrotman | Julirinias: email them, ask them to make a statement |
| 00:35.11 | abrotman | Julirinias: You have been trolled. |
| 00:37.28 | Julirinias | abrotman: i take well your advice. I shall email my concerns to distro team. Thank you. |
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| 00:40.09 | ElOcho | uhhhhhh is there anyway to undo a format drive in the gnome disk utility? |
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| 00:40.34 | ElOcho | or am I completly boned |
| 00:40.51 | abrotman | you can try something like photorec, good luck |
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| 00:43.44 | owen1 | centrx: thanks! |
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| 00:48.36 | dm7freek | linux standards base* |
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| 01:20.21 | ZIPY | hi, is there a speedlimit on transferes over ssh? i cant get above ~1MB/s |
| 01:21.00 | abrotman | Not from SSH there isn't |
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| 01:25.34 | ZIPY | hmm i guess it is the encrypthen then, im backing up my pi |
| 01:25.56 | ZIPY | but my netbook was slow too |
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| 01:26.23 | sydney_untangle | ZIPY: wifi device to wifi device? |
| 01:26.47 | donofrio | ZIPY: it's your network....ssh way fast (now smb that's slow) |
| 01:26.57 | abrotman | I should hope it's encrypted .. |
| 01:27.01 | sydney_untangle | ZIPY: You cannot get fast ssh speeds over wifi. |
| 01:27.05 | ZIPY | both wired |
| 01:27.10 | sydney_untangle | Oh. |
| 01:27.21 | sydney_untangle | How many routers in between? |
| 01:27.26 | sydney_untangle | No wireless bridges? |
| 01:27.36 | centrx | What about defragmenting your hard drive? |
| 01:27.44 | abrotman | what? |
| 01:27.52 | centrx | sorry bad joke |
| 01:27.57 | abrotman | ZIPY: how old are both machines involved? |
| 01:28.03 | sydney_untangle | centrx: very bad. :P |
| 01:28.05 | ZIPY | they are connect over a switch so no routers |
| 01:28.19 | ZIPY | a router is connected to the switch too tho |
| 01:28.23 | sydney_untangle | Oh, its a rpi on one end? |
| 01:28.42 | sydney_untangle | IIRC a rpi only has 10/100 ethernet... |
| 01:28.50 | sydney_untangle | Thats probably the issue. |
| 01:29.01 | ZIPY | yes rpi to desktop pc or netbook (asus 1101ha) to pc |
| 01:29.44 | ZIPY | yes but when i transfer over nfs, i get 3-4x the speed |
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| 01:29.58 | abrotman | nfs isn't encrypted |
| 01:30.01 | ZIPY | ye |
| 01:30.11 | ZIPY | my guess is the encryption too |
| 01:30.27 | centrx | the netbook is a single-core Atom too |
| 01:30.44 | centrx | either the rpi or the netbook might just be too slow with encrypted hard drive plus whatever else its doing |
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| 01:33.52 | ZIPY | on transfers over ssh the sender is always the one who does the encryption right? i could try downloading sth and see if its faster then? |
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| 01:35.03 | centrx | ZIPY, It still has to decrypt it on the other end, I don't know how fast it is |
| 01:35.03 | ZIPY | maybe that way i could find out if it is really the encryption |
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| 01:35.32 | centrx | ZIPY, I would do things like turn off X/switch the desktop environment while you are doing the transfer see if that helps |
| 01:35.53 | centrx | ZIPY, make sure unnecessary things aren't using a lot of CPU or RAM with top/ps aux |
| 01:36.33 | centrx | or network bandwidth for that matter |
| 01:36.35 | ZIPY | good idea |
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| 01:37.42 | iWaldo_ | how do i prevent my video output from stopping on a headless install of jessie? i've got a small monitor running htop connected and don't like that the monitor goes blank after a few minutes |
| 01:37.52 | ZIPY | im going to boot another desktop pc now too and check if its also slow (desktop-pc to desktop-pc) |
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| 01:38.32 | abrotman | dpkg: tell iWaldo_ about blank |
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| 01:39.11 | iWaldo_ | abrotman: i wouldn't even know what to tell dpkg |
| 01:39.40 | iWaldo_ | dpkg: help |
| 01:39.44 | svetlana | it is a bot, so just read what it told you and continue to chat here |
| 01:39.51 | iWaldo_ | didn't tell me anything |
| 01:39.54 | iWaldo_ | :P |
| 01:40.07 | svetlana | it should have sent you a private message |
| 01:40.18 | iWaldo_ | oh my mistake! |
| 01:40.19 | iWaldo_ | thanks |
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| 01:40.28 | svetlana | :-) |
| 01:40.32 | abrotman | iWaldo_: see what the bot told you |
| 01:40.36 | iWaldo_ | yeap!@ |
| 01:40.41 | iWaldo_ | thanks a lot! |
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| 01:41.23 | ZIPY | ok, it must be the encryption. i reached full speed desktop-desktop |
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| 01:41.52 | ZIPY | on my netbook its even worse, hdd encryption + ssh encryption ^^ |
| 01:43.23 | ZIPY | i might share my backup hdd over smb or nfs next time |
| 01:43.57 | iWaldo_ | what if i'm not running the terminal over ssh or using a terminal emulator? |
| 01:45.16 | iWaldo_ | setterm --blank reports 0 right now, and there doesn't appear to be an option to turn it off |
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| 01:59.19 | m0rdecai | I'm having trouble updating my libc6 to 2.15 I cant find it in the repos or on google. |
| 01:59.55 | centrx | What are you doing? Why are you doing this? |
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| 02:00.32 | K-202 | centrx, I suspect he wans to install modern app from outside official repos |
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| 02:01.04 | m0rdecai | trying to install Steam but it requires libc6>= 2.15 |
| 02:01.25 | K-202 | I switched to Jessie then. |
| 02:01.26 | centrx | m0rdecai, I would recommend upgrading to Debian 8/jessie and using steam on there |
| 02:01.33 | cafuego | m0rdecai: Do not separately upgrade your libc6 |
| 02:01.44 | cafuego | m0rdecai: That's the easiest way tod estroy your whole system |
| 02:01.50 | m0rdecai | I guess that would break shit bad? |
| 02:01.51 | svetlana | i would recommend against steam; there are better ways to live than using spyware |
| 02:02.05 | m0rdecai | ? |
| 02:02.08 | cafuego | m0rdecai: it might break *everyhting* because everything uses it |
| 02:02.13 | m0rdecai | gotcha |
| 02:02.20 | cafuego | m0rdecai: Go with what centrx suggests. |
| 02:02.24 | svetlana | (assuming it's the game thing) |
| 02:02.28 | m0rdecai | i didnt realize 8 was out |
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| 02:02.33 | svetlana | it isn't out yet |
| 02:02.40 | cafuego | m0rdecai: jessie will be stable in a month or so, it should be fine to use. |
| 02:02.40 | m0rdecai | yes oh |
| 02:02.41 | svetlana | it'll be out on the 25th |
| 02:02.53 | K-202 | I wonder why there is no solution for multiple library versions |
| 02:02.55 | centrx | you can use it now, it's fine |
| 02:02.59 | svetlana | yup |
| 02:03.02 | m0rdecai | I was gonna say, I hadnt heard anything about 8 being out yet |
| 02:03.08 | m0rdecai | oh ok |
| 02:03.18 | cafuego | centrx: m0rdecai: You don't get security fixes right away |
| 02:03.39 | K-202 | Installing any software from outside repos is hell because of library dependencies |
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| 02:03.50 | cafuego | But on the other hand, you won't need to destroy your system in order to run steam :-) |
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| 02:04.50 | cafuego | K-202: There is, it's called a chroot. Though I'm not sure if that works for a different libc. |
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| 02:18.55 | Biganon | Hi guys ! On a fresh debian running on an ARM server from Scaleway.com, a few programs crash in weird ways, namely uwsgi and redis |
| 02:19.36 | Biganon | the former gives me segfaults and the latter "protocol errors", while both work perfectly on my other debian server, whose cpu is not an ARM one |
| 02:19.59 | Biganon | is there any kind of logic in what I'm trying to convey here ? |
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| 02:24.52 | Julirinias | Biganon: yes, "crashes on ARM; runs fine on another cpu." Maybe the porting to ARM is cooky? |
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| 02:33.48 | Biganon | I thought it was weird that they're still in the repos |
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| 02:34.52 | shay_shay | K-202: you can also use LD_LIBRARY_PATH along with libraries manually installed |
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| 02:35.52 | kwame | Hi guys |
| 02:36.17 | shay_shay | K-202: it works for me. ¯\(°_o)/¯ |
| 02:36.29 | kwame | when I go to the profile preferences for gnome-terminal I'm missing a tab on it, the one where I can set the transparent background for it |
| 02:36.38 | kwame | would any of you happen to know which .deb package am I missing? |
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| 02:39.03 | shay_shay | woo just discovered gnome-terminal has solarized themes built in now |
| 02:39.37 | kwame | shay_shay: yup |
| 02:40.04 | shay_shay | well, gnome-terminal doesnt seem to have transparent background on my system either (jessie) |
| 02:40.08 | shay_shay | try terminator |
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| 02:40.33 | kwame | shay_shay: so you are also using debian 8? |
| 02:40.37 | shay_shay | si |
| 02:40.48 | kwame | shay_shay: nah, I don't want to change to another terminal emulator just because of transparency |
| 02:41.15 | shay_shay | good idea |
| 02:42.19 | shay_shay | terminator is forked from gnome-terminal... but imo transparent backgrounds just make it harder to read things and waste cpu cycles |
| 02:42.42 | kwame | hehehe |
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| 02:44.53 | shay_shay | i dont know if i can get used to this, the font isnt burning in my retinas as usual |
| 02:45.17 | shay_shay | i am so accustomed to the sting of bright white on black |
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| 02:47.45 | kwame | shay_shay: what color scheme are you using? |
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| 02:50.11 | shay_shay | solarized dark |
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| 02:51.58 | shay_shay | it redeems itself when i turn on syntax highlighting in vim |
| 02:52.57 | Julirinias | black ink on white paper ... duh |
| 02:56.20 | shay_shay | https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6gkqQRx3edyQ3FiYUVJLVczZVk/view?usp=sharing |
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| 02:57.59 | shay_shay | monospace regular 13pt |
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| 02:59.10 | karlpinc | Transparent terminals are like clear glass toilets. They sound like a good idea until you use them. |
| 02:59.41 | crippledmonk | lol |
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| 03:02.46 | Julirinias | karlpinc: lol |
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| 03:42.07 | zykotick9 | karlpinc: that is a pretty awesome quote! |
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| 03:44.57 | dariusb | What is the best iscsi target for Debian Jessie? I can't find packages for Linux-IO Target / LIO / targetcli |
| 03:45.35 | somiaj | ,v targetcli |
| 03:45.36 | judd | Package: targetcli on i386 -- wheezy: 2.0rc1-2; sid: 3.0+git0.7e32595e-2; experimental: 1:3.0~pre4.1~ga55d018-1 |
| 03:45.56 | somiaj | dariusb: sounds like you need to search better. I can't tell you what is best, but I can help you find packages if needed |
| 03:46.00 | somiaj | !tell dariusb about search |
| 03:46.31 | dariusb | gosh, I never thought of searching first.. |
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| 03:48.18 | somiaj | thre is also a lio-utils package. and various libs for it as well. Not srue which is best though. |
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| 03:49.00 | dariusb | there's no lio-utils package in Jessie (unlike Wheezy) |
| 03:49.24 | dariusb | LIO seems to be the favored iscsi target solution in linux - so wondering why I can't find the tools for it in Jessie |
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| 03:49.34 | somiaj | ,v lio-utils |
| 03:49.35 | judd | Package: lio-utils on i386 -- sid: 3.1+git2.fd0b34fd-2; wheezy: 3.1+git2.fd0b34fd-2 |
| 03:49.59 | somiaj | dariusb: wonder if it just had some rc bugs. Sorry my system is sid so that is what I was searching. |
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| 03:51.03 | somiaj | hmm lio-utils seems it hasnt' been updated since wheezy was frozen, my guess is there are better tools. I helped someone get targetcli working the other day. |
| 03:51.23 | somiaj | https://packages.qa.debian.org/l/lio-utils/news/20140717T163917Z.html -- there is why it was removed. |
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| 03:53.12 | dariusb | not sure what that means exactly |
| 03:53.24 | dariusb | looks like "mistake" -- a year ago?? |
| 03:53.39 | somiaj | It is an list response saying that why the package was removed, and sites a bug number. |
| 03:54.17 | dariusb | is there an irc channel for package maintainers? |
| 03:54.20 | somiaj | but the fact the wheezy and sid version are the same, it hasn't been matianed for a while and looks like targetcli is the better choice. |
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| 03:54.48 | somiaj | dariusb: what are you wanting? There is places to get help on mataing packages, but there are better ways to talk to specific matainers |
| 03:55.10 | dariusb | there's no targetcli package in Jessie |
| 03:55.18 | somiaj | ,v targetcli |
| 03:55.19 | judd | Package: targetcli on i386 -- wheezy: 2.0rc1-2; sid: 3.0+git0.7e32595e-2; experimental: 1:3.0~pre4.1~ga55d018-1 |
| 03:55.34 | somiaj | oh it was removed too. I thoguht it was there the other day, sorry for that |
| 03:55.42 | dariusb | I'd like to get the tools installed for using Linux-IO Target / LIO |
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| 03:55.58 | dariusb | the most actively use Linux iSCSI solution |
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| 03:58.49 | somiaj | dariusb: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=764005 seems there was an issue with it and since jessie was frozen it got removed as they couldn't fix it. |
| 03:59.09 | somiaj | dariusb: you can install the package from sid (or snapshot.debian.org) and it will install in jessie. I think just the upgrade caused some issues. |
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| 04:02.43 | dariusb | somiaj: thanks |
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| 04:03.25 | somiaj | dariusb: yea I thought it was in jessie, I was mistaken. After looking at that bug report, seems it just had some grave issues and with jessie frozen the policy is fairly clear on pacakges will be removed. |
| 04:03.39 | somiaj | dariusb: again the sid packages will install in jessie just fine, but in the future you may have to use snapshot.debian.org |
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| 04:04.11 | somiaj | dariusb: i.e. they wern't finding a fix to the issues fast enough the packages got removed. |
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| 04:04.38 | dariusb | somiaj: I may just use something else - thankfully I'm starting from scratch, so at least I'm not trying to migrate/upgrade anything |
| 04:05.16 | somiaj | yea I don't know the tools well enough to know what is best. seems targetcli is the replacmenet of lio-utils, not sure if this is the core/suggested tool or not htough |
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| 04:06.57 | dariusb | somiaj: I'm not aware of another tool for the Linux-IO Target / LIO solution that's in the kernel. That's the advantage of LIO - it's in the kernel. The next best solution is userspace |
| 04:07.46 | somiaj | dariusb: well you can mount the actual file system and manually shift though it in /sys |
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| 04:10.35 | somiaj | dariusb: I did learn that targetcli interacts with a file sysstem in /sys |
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| 04:31.49 | dariusb | ungh |
| 04:31.54 | dariusb | this iscsi situation sucks |
| 04:32.47 | somiaj | dariusb: I'd say ask your question again during the week days, seems to get more response during work hours on the week days (I'm just a hobbiest so I don't use a lot of fancy hardware) |
| 04:33.27 | dariusb | the kernel native and most popular solution is broken, the next best solution is slower / less feature-full .. the IET version is not maintained |
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| 04:35.59 | dariusb | somiaj: yeah I got ya - just venting |
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| 04:56.51 | cheapie | ...OK, so I have this hard drive here, and I decided to run badblocks in destructive write mode. While no read or write errors have occurred, it comes up with 32 "corruption" (read back something other than what it wrote) each time it reads, on different blocks every time. Any ideas? |
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| 05:02.01 | dariusb | somiaj: So if targetcli is in "experimental", is there some way to get the package version from experimental without exposing my debian install to other experimental stuff? |
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| 05:13.16 | dariusb | for pete's sake |
| 05:13.28 | dariusb | targetcli depends on x11?? |
| 05:14.23 | somiaj | dariusb: experiemental packages are built against sid libaries. |
| 05:14.37 | somiaj | dariusb: since jessie and sid libaries are almost the same it might work, though best to backport it and compile it yourself. |
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| 05:15.54 | somiaj | I don't see how it depends on X11, it depends on python, and maybe one of the python packages recomenend X11, but I see no direct dependency |
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| 05:16.46 | dariusb | when you advise to backport and compile |
| 05:16.50 | dariusb | what does backport mean? |
| 05:16.59 | somiaj | as long as you can install the all python libs in testing, I think the experimential package for targetcli will work, it dones't depend on anything except python |
| 05:17.05 | somiaj | !tell dariusb about ssb |
| 05:17.22 | somiaj | dariusb: you download the source code and compile your own package against the libaries in testing |
| 05:17.25 | themill | ,why targetcli x11-common --release experimental |
| 05:17.28 | somiaj | known as a backport. |
| 05:17.29 | judd | An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. |
| 05:17.33 | themill | boo |
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| 05:18.45 | somiaj | it is in some large nest of python libs. :/ |
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| 05:18.55 | themill | (python-epydoc Recommends python-tk -- I don't really know why it would be looking for epydoc at all) |
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| 05:19.52 | somiaj | because it depends on python-confgishell which pulls that in |
| 05:20.10 | dariusb | crazy |
| 05:20.27 | themill | sure, but I don't know why configshell would be using epydoc |
| 05:20.27 | somiaj | dariusb: you can use --no-install-recomends |
| 05:20.43 | dariusb | ok |
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| 05:22.22 | dariusb | that looks reasonable |
| 05:22.30 | scottt | yup |
| 05:22.58 | dariusb | but you said that binary installation will be unreliable? |
| 05:23.12 | dariusb | because experimental is a different branch? |
| 05:23.33 | somiaj | dariusb: no experiementail isn't a different branch (unlike unstasble) |
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| 05:24.31 | somiaj | dariusb: it is a place packages are put if they aren't deemed ready for unstable. but it isn't a complete set. The packages are compiled against the sid libs, and the versions between sid and jessie are close now (due to the freeze). One relesae changes they will qucikly drift apart and this would no longer be as safe. |
| 05:24.55 | somiaj | right now experiemential is geting a lot of extra packages due to the freeze because sid slushy |
| 05:24.58 | somiaj | !slushy |
| 05:24.59 | dpkg | When a <testing> release becomes frozen, <unstable> tends to partially freeze as well. This is because developers are reluctant to upload radically new software to unstable, in case the frozen software in testing needs minor updates and to fix release critical bugs which keep testing from becoming <stable>. |
| 05:24.59 | dariusb | yeah |
| 05:25.07 | dariusb | so how do I compile? |
| 05:25.14 | somiaj | follow that facotid I sent you |
| 05:25.58 | dariusb | I changed deb to deb-src, but it complained that deb-src didn't exist |
| 05:26.28 | somiaj | dariusb: you can share your sources.list, and not all mirrors have experiemential packages. |
| 05:26.53 | somiaj | dariusb: again since the depends are all python, I think the binary package from experimential in this case would be fine. |
| 05:27.07 | dariusb | yeah, but I want something sustainable |
| 05:27.11 | dariusb | Err http://ftp.debian.org experimental/main Sources |
| 05:27.30 | themill | dariusb: that's not your sources.list |
| 05:27.48 | dariusb | deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian experimental main |
| 05:28.28 | themill | that sources.list entry would not generate that error message |
| 05:28.41 | dariusb | well, the "us" was added |
| 05:28.42 | dariusb | but it does |
| 05:28.51 | dariusb | the error doesn't happend when this line is excluded |
| 05:29.03 | themill | how about you show real output in a pastebin rather than making stuff up? |
| 05:29.26 | dariusb | sorry, I thought I was in #solaris for a moment |
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| 05:31.46 | mappy | is it possible for wheezy-updates and wheezy-security to diverge? each to update a wheezy package in a different way? |
| 05:33.13 | themill | mappy: the two repos could end up with packages that differ but there will always be one package that is the most recent package and is the preferred version. |
| 05:33.30 | themill | mappy: (and that preferred version is the one that will end up in wheezy at the next point release) |
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| 05:34.02 | dariusb | http://pastebin.com/RR1HqQiF |
| 05:34.04 | dariusb | http://pastebin.com/vaGEGaFn |
| 05:34.16 | mappy | ok, thanks |
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| 05:42.50 | dariusb | So with error happening when appending -src to deb, does this mean that those particularly repositories don't have source for targetcli but others would? |
| 05:43.01 | horizonbrave | hi all! I may try to bother you about btrfs :) |
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| 05:43.52 | dariusb | again, targetcli is found when I just have deb in sources.list |
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| 05:45.11 | themill | dariusb: that doesn't make sense to me -- perhaps you could show all of your sources.list? |
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| 05:46.17 | dariusb | http://pastebin.com/RR1HqQiF |
| 05:46.23 | dariusb | Are you saying that something is missing from there? |
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| 05:46.30 | themill | !show sources.list dariusb |
| 05:46.31 | dpkg | dariusb: Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: head -v -n -0 /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*} |
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| 05:48.06 | horizonbrave | please would it be possible to easily (I can't write scripts, I'm a noob) configure debian and grub 2 to list at boot root fs snapshots? something like openSUSE does in a default install... |
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| 05:48.25 | horizonbrave | I was wondering if there was a way to do it through an already made package |
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| 05:49.01 | horizonbrave | I don't think snapper will help to configure grub to dynamically add snapshots for boot that way |
| 05:49.03 | horizonbrave | thx |
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| 05:49.42 | dariusb | http://pastebin.com/xtmkXaej |
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| 05:50.33 | themill | btw you might like to pick an individual mirror rather than ftp.us.d.o which is a round-robin and is often annoying |
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| 05:57.52 | dariusb | changed to a specific mirror |
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| 05:58.11 | dariusb | replacing deb with deb-src seems to result in failure every time |
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| 05:59.53 | zykotick9 | dariusb: don't replace, add the deb-src as another line |
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| 06:00.09 | dariusb | ok |
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| 06:04.50 | dariusb | zykotick9: that did it, thx. |
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| 06:10.44 | zykotick9 | dariusb: glad to help. |
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| 06:14.04 | dariusb | And I have targetcli now |
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| 06:14.25 | dariusb | danke danke |
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| 06:19.04 | gerforce | enjoy your journey. |
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| 06:23.06 | put_in | hi |
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| 06:23.22 | put_in | is it safe to remove /etc/init.d/bootlogs? |
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| 06:26.42 | jelly | put_in: you might lose contents of /var/log/dmesg |
| 06:26.53 | put_in | yes. |
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| 06:28.10 | put_in | but since i did not found a parameter in man "savelog" i might just remove the whole thing. |
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| 06:32.55 | put_in | what do you think jelly? |
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| 06:44.36 | jelly | put_in: you could comment out the savelog lines |
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| 06:45.48 | put_in | i do not know what the other lines do and if they might need the savelog commands |
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| 06:52.03 | Halma | who can help to download a file called hosts from "http://someonewhocares.org/hosts/" but i need to download not by domainname, i need it as IP based, something like that : "wget 209.97.222.140/hosts/hosts" but this throws me error 403 ... what can i do ? |
| 06:54.58 | themill | you'd probably need --header='Host: example.net' |
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| 07:11.36 | Halma | thanks a lot themill |
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| 07:13.19 | Halma | "wget --header='HOST:" works without dns, right? |
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| 07:15.42 | Guest33518 | I am installing Wheezy using the network installation. Do I need to install the print server section even though I won't be printing anything from my computer? |
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| 08:17.42 | anddam | I'm fetching files at a very slow pace after giving 'aptitude install python-dev' |
| 08:18.07 | anddam | would interrupting this process and setting up another mirror leave me with stray files around? |
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| 08:18.28 | anddam | I guess no since I figure package are installed only after all files have been fetched |
| 08:18.38 | anddam | also is there a tool to pick a fast debian mirror? |
| 08:18.47 | themill | yeah, apt is pretty robust to this |
| 08:18.47 | xop | *** glibc detected *** ./eggdrop: free(): invalid next size (fast): 0x00cbaf78 *** |
| 08:18.50 | xop | can i resolve this ? |
| 08:19.28 | anddam | thanks |
| 08:19.39 | themill | anddam: there's no nice way of picking fast mirrors; http.debian.net is a good way of getting a *reliable* mirror, but that's not necessarily fast. |
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| 08:21.17 | xop | well? noone ? |
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| 08:23.35 | anddam | xop: wow |
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| 08:25.08 | xop | anddam ? |
| 08:25.13 | xop | can i solve ?:) |
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| 08:27.03 | anddam | it's a glibc issue with free() you'll have to delve into eggdrop's code |
| 08:27.25 | anddam | sure you can solve it, the point is if you have the skill to do so |
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| 08:27.54 | anddam | reproduce the error, track it down using gdb and see what's happening, fix the code accordingly |
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| 08:44.53 | neckutrek | LMDE related q: I'm ditching OSX for LMDE2. When it comes to Intel Macs (MBP 9.2 mid-2012) webpages says it wont boot unless the first part of the harddrive is in apples own filesystem HFS+. How should I setup my harddrive partitions to ensure that LMDE will boot correctly? |
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| 09:34.21 | Celexi | neckutrek you should seek support from linux mint |
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| 09:35.12 | Celexi | personal opinion linux mint is pretty bad performance wise compared to others - and not very good security wise because it doesn't properly notify you of all security updates |
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| 09:59.27 | new2Debian | I am having trouble opening a file as root |
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| 10:02.01 | new2Debian | Hello? |
| 10:02.21 | towo` | !ask |
| 10:02.22 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 10:02.43 | new2Debian | okay |
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| 10:03.34 | new2Debian | I can not remember the exact package I was trying to find but I think nautolus-gksdo |
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| 10:04.07 | new2Debian | I can not open folders as root from terminal nor a gui, I am using lxde 7.8 |
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| 10:04.38 | cy5 | How to redirect all request to specific ip address in linux |
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| 10:05.22 | new2Debian | Hello can you help? someone please? |
| 10:06.30 | musca | hello new2Debian |
| 10:06.38 | mallxs | cy5: you have a machine as router ? |
| 10:06.39 | Rust3dCor3 | new2Debian: try sudo nautilus in terminal |
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| 10:07.05 | new2Debian | I need another package not just nautilus |
| 10:07.23 | mallxs | new2Debian: or just do " su - " |
| 10:07.27 | new2Debian | it would not help me I was hoping there were people here that know what they are talking about |
| 10:07.42 | cy5 | I@mallxs tplink as wifi hotspot |
| 10:07.48 | new2Debian | as I SAID I CAN NOT OPEN FILES OR AS ROOT FROM TERMINAL |
| 10:07.54 | musca | thunar is the default filemanager in lxde, isn't it? |
| 10:08.09 | mallxs | new2Debian: to find a pkg do : apt-cache search [part of packagename] |
| 10:08.29 | new2Debian | I tried that |
| 10:08.37 | new2Debian | and I also used the gui |
| 10:08.47 | Rust3dCor3 | new2Debian: how do you open files? it should be like sudo nano /folder/to/my/txt-file/file.txt |
| 10:08.55 | mallxs | cy5: try ##networking |
| 10:09.03 | new2Debian | I do not want to use the terminal for everything |
| 10:09.12 | new2Debian | I want to use a gui file manager |
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| 10:09.54 | new2Debian | I can not open a file as root and can not install gksudo-nautalus it is not in a cache nor repo |
| 10:10.13 | mallxs | cy5: and else read about iptables mangle and PREROUTING |
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| 10:10.31 | Rust3dCor3 | new2Debian: You can move files in nautilus while being a root. just type in terminal *sudo nautilus* (or any other sensible file manager) to start the file manager with root privelleges |
| 10:10.51 | Rust3dCor3 | new2Debian: it will launch the file manager with root priv. |
| 10:11.05 | musca | but ... why do you need root permissions at all? What action requires it? |
| 10:11.12 | cy5 | mallxs: I think i'm making mistake with iptables command |
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| 10:11.21 | new2Debian | That is not what I am trying to do |
| 10:11.27 | new2Debian | ########### |
| 10:11.37 | cy5 | sudo iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -d 0/0 -p tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.0.101:80 sudo iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -d 0/0 -p tcp --dport 443 -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.0.101:443 |
| 10:11.40 | Rust3dCor3 | new2Debian: so what you are trying to get? im confused. |
| 10:11.58 | musca | yes, me too. |
| 10:12.10 | new2Debian | I am trying to enable my file manager to be able to just wright click on a file and open as administer |
| 10:12.23 | new2Debian | It should be enabled by default |
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| 10:13.02 | Rust3dCor3 | new2Debian: only you can do its to be an administrator by default and that is not advised or sudo nautilus |
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| 10:13.34 | Rust3dCor3 | new2Debian: you could also do a bash script that will launch the sudo nautilus command when double clicking on it |
| 10:13.40 | new2Debian | Why is it not advised to open a file in a damn gui |
| 10:13.51 | towo` | there is no nautilus in lxde |
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| 10:13.56 | new2Debian | it is okay for a package manager |
| 10:14.26 | Rust3dCor3 | new2Debian: its not advised to use file manager while root because you can accidentaly delete your whole filesystem :/ |
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| 10:15.04 | new2Debian | Well if linux is about freedom than why the hell do you not allow people the freedom to make that choice |
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| 10:15.27 | towo` | go, play elsewhere |
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| 10:15.42 | musca | small mistakes can do big damage with root permissions. |
| 10:15.43 | Rust3dCor3 | new2Debian: imagine working 20+ hours to configure a nice OS. than you accidentaly delete it. |
| 10:16.05 | new2Debian | who the f cares |
| 10:16.08 | Rust3dCor3 | new2Debian: thats why such restrictions are in *nix systems |
| 10:16.19 | new2Debian | Why should I not have the freedom to do what I want |
| 10:16.27 | Rust3dCor3 | new2Debian: like folks on this channel? |
| 10:16.29 | jelly | new2Debian: it's an unusual workflow for linux users to open files as admin with GUI tools |
| 10:16.48 | new2Debian | the people who build debian |
| 10:17.17 | jelly | new2Debian: what kind of a file (or which path specifically) do you wish to open? |
| 10:17.17 | Rust3dCor3 | new2Debian: if you want to get a windows style expirience, just open everything with root. get used to it, that linux is a standard user playground with sudo in the background |
| 10:17.18 | musca | on the other hand we don't need to confirm "Are you really sure?" for every click. |
| 10:17.23 | new2Debian | It is really annoying that I do not have the choice to use a gui file manager |
| 10:17.41 | new2Debian | God you people are annoying |
| 10:17.44 | Rust3dCor3 | new2Debian: oh you have a choice. the choice is in the terminal |
| 10:17.51 | Rust3dCor3 | new2Debian: You also |
| 10:17.59 | new2Debian | I know how to use the terminal |
| 10:18.05 | jelly | Rust3dCor3: let's stick to technical arguments |
| 10:18.06 | new2Debian | For the tenth time |
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| 10:18.17 | new2Debian | I want to use the file manager to open a file |
| 10:18.31 | Rust3dCor3 | new2Debian: go ahead. click it |
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| 10:19.10 | new2Debian | Just let me know how to fix it |
| 10:19.47 | Rust3dCor3 | new2Debian: to fix what? no privilages? just open the damn file manager in the damn terminal as the damn sudo. nuff said. |
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| 10:20.11 | new2Debian | It does not open with root privlages |
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| 10:20.26 | new2Debian | why are you people so snobish? |
| 10:20.26 | Rust3dCor3 | new2Debian: what file manager are you trying to open? |
| 10:20.39 | new2Debian | pcman |
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| 10:21.06 | Rust3dCor3 | new2Debian: how do you open pcman? by terminal or by menu? |
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| 10:22.07 | Rust3dCor3 | new2Debian: the only thing to do is to alter the pcman menu. write a script that will launch pcman in root mode and than add it to the menu. |
| 10:22.22 | Rust3dCor3 | new2Debian: there is no other way. sorry |
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| 10:23.38 | jelly | new2Debian: "gksu pcmanfm" ought to run the whole file manager app as root |
| 10:24.11 | Rust3dCor3 | jelly: the thing is that he want the *start as root* option in the menu |
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| 10:24.34 | dalo | Hmm is anyone else using Xfce and Thor? |
| 10:24.41 | new2Debian | I do not want to open the file manager as root I want to open a folder as root |
| 10:25.01 | new2Debian | Does anyone know how to enable this or no? |
| 10:25.09 | Rust3dCor3 | new2Debian: its the same. to open a folder as root in pcman You must open pcman as root |
| 10:25.17 | jelly | new2Debian: opening a folder _means_ opening the file manager with that folder as parameter |
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| 10:25.44 | Rust3dCor3 | new2Debian: the only hope its to write a script that will open pcman as root and to open that folder |
| 10:25.59 | new2Debian | I do not know how to write scripts |
| 10:26.30 | jelly | people have written similar functionality for Nautilus, not pcmanfm, but it's not in Debian. http://www.noobslab.com/2014/04/add-open-as-rootadministrator-option-in.html |
| 10:26.52 | new2Debian | should I use thunar? |
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| 10:27.42 | Rust3dCor3 | new2Debian: you could use thunar. but read the article and try to code instead. thunar do not have any *start as root* option |
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| 10:28.06 | new2Debian | I do not know how to script |
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| 10:29.29 | Rust3dCor3 | new2Debian: You could get a random bash script and edit it. prolly it will have only one line of code that will launch the pcman as root |
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| 10:30.11 | Rust3dCor3 | new2Debian: bash scripting is nearly the same stuff as the terminal |
| 10:30.13 | new2Debian | You do not have to open a file manager as root to .... |
| 10:30.21 | jelly | new2Debian: if there's no solution for your issue, then you can write your own. If you can't write code, you can invest time to learn, or ask or pay someone else to do it. You can ask the debian maintainers for new functionality by filing a wishlist bug report. |
| 10:30.27 | new2Debian | example caja- |
| 10:30.46 | new2Debian | I guess this is a stallman cult |
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| 10:31.02 | jelly | !next |
| 10:31.02 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 10:31.14 | p0g0_ | my sentiments too... |
| 10:31.20 | Rust3dCor3 | new2Debian: the coding line will be *gksu pcmanfm* |
| 10:31.20 | p0g0_ | cult? |
| 10:31.26 | jelly | Rust3dCor3: they're gone |
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| 10:32.27 | Rust3dCor3 | jelly: i need to reconfigure irssi so i will see who is leaven :P |
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| 10:36.12 | arafangion | Hey, so I've got an external usb HDD I was hoping to install Debian onto. |
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| 10:36.37 | arafangion | However, it won't boot. It seems that the drive isn't spinning up quickly enough in order for the LVM volumes to be discovered. |
| 10:36.46 | arafangion | I've tried setting up rootdelay to some insane value, such as 35. |
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| 10:37.31 | arafangion | But it didn't make any difference, I guess the delay was done at the wrong time in the boot sequence. Is there any other setting I could change? |
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| 10:38.19 | arafangion | (It basically gives up, _then_ the drive is found (as /dev/sda), but it's too late and it drops me down to some busybox rescue system. |
| 10:38.48 | user_ | Hello, any one used GPSD ? |
| 10:39.01 | arafangion | Which I guess means that my initrd is working fine. It's confusing because that implies that the drive is physically already spinning. (As that's where the initrd comes from) |
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| 10:41.40 | frostschutz | arafangion, maybe usb storage module is not loaded in time? |
| 10:41.44 | jelly | !debug initramfs |
| 10:41.44 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, initramfsdebug is http://wiki.debian.org/InitramfsDebug |
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| 10:42.08 | arafangion | frostschutz: That does seem to be the case. Once I have the resulting rescue system running, I can very easily load the volume group and mount it. |
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| 10:43.22 | jelly | arafangion: make sure a) usb storage is detected properly at initramfs time? b) lvm support present in initramfs? c) volume group is visible and brought up? |
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| 10:44.40 | arafangion | jelly: Once the command shell appears, it's working perfectly. Usb storage is detected properly (but apparently too late?), it is definitely in the initramfs, and the volumegroup is visible but has to be explicitly mounted. |
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| 10:45.48 | arafangion | jelly: Infact, I can very trivially chroot into the system from that initrd. |
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| 10:47.41 | jelly | arafangion: hmm. It used to be the lvm support code in initramfs could be coerced to run "vgchange -ay" if root= parameter looked precisely as root=/dev/mapper/something-somethingelse |
| 10:47.57 | arafangion | jelly: I'll use that link you gave as a starting point for my next investigation, I think if I can't find anything, then I should either keep exploring, or just buy a usb stick and put the root fs on that. |
| 10:48.35 | arafangion | jelly: Right now it's /dev/<volume group>/root |
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| 10:48.56 | arafangion | jelly: /dev/dreamer/root, to be precise. |
| 10:50.08 | cy5 | Iam trying to redirect my wifi user to specific ipaddress here's what i have tried http://pastebin.com/m1kJ0yhm |
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| 10:51.10 | jelly | arafangion: don't use that format, try specifically /dev/mapper/dreamer-root |
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| 10:52.36 | cy5 | my wifi working fine just there is some problem with iptables rules for redirecting can someone help me out |
| 10:53.37 | arafangion | jelly: Yeah, that doesn't work, the linux kernel args have that, actually (sorry I wasn't clear) - but once in the initrd rescue system, it's /dev/dreamer/root |
| 10:54.36 | arafangion | scsi_mod.sync=scan doesn't work either, actually. I'm wondering if it's worth investigating what is happening, or if I should just go find some cheap usb stick and put the rootfs on that. |
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| 10:56.34 | SynrG | cy5: your Wi-Fi is eth0? |
| 10:56.54 | cy5 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:57.10 | arafangion | Should be a regular case of debugging the initrd, and learning about it properly in the process, or would I be more likely to be finding an edge case in the kernel? |
| 10:57.14 | cy5 | sorry its wlan0 |
| 10:57.24 | jelly | arafangion: weird, does /dev/mapper not get populated or what? |
| 10:57.57 | p0g0_ | cy5: you might read up on 'captive portal', it sounds like what you are trying to do. |
| 10:58.00 | arafangion | jelly: Just booting it again to check... |
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| 10:59.57 | arafangion | It says: "Unable to find LVM volume dreamer/root", blah blah blah, then "... [sda] Assuming drive cache: write through...", so it's clearly finding the devices _after_ it gives up finding the lvm volume. |
| 11:00.21 | arafangion | jelly: And the only thing in /dev/mapper is 'control', unless I first explicitly do vgchange -ya |
| 11:00.26 | arafangion | *-ay |
| 11:01.09 | cy5 | p0g0_:here when i run ifconfig http://pastebin.com/wZmVyUuC |
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| 11:01.33 | arafangion | Crap, and it's the wrong initrd as well. |
| 11:01.48 | arafangion | jelly: Something must've gone wrong with the kernel upgrade, I'll have to investigate that first. :( |
| 11:02.19 | arafangion | jelly: Sorry for wasting your time (but even so, you really helped) |
| 11:02.55 | arafangion | Seems using an external usb mechanical drive is funky. |
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| 11:04.40 | arafangion | considers it might well be just -this- drive. |
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| 11:08.35 | jasabelle | what happens if you switch a live usb to use the testing repositories? :) |
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| 11:09.33 | arafangion | jasabelle: Give it a go. :) |
| 11:10.03 | arafangion | jasabelle: (Just make sure that you have a copy, backup, or whatever, but that shouldnt' be mission-critical anyway) |
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| 11:10.29 | jasabelle | will it still be bootable? |
| 11:10.39 | jasabelle | google's not shedding much light on this hehe |
| 11:10.55 | ompaul | jasabelle: you've got it writeable? |
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| 11:11.16 | ompaul | if not where is it going to store the new stuff |
| 11:11.19 | arafangion | jasabelle: Most people, I suspect, build entirely new live usb images. |
| 11:11.21 | ompaul | Ram? |
| 11:11.23 | jasabelle | ompaul... yea persistence |
| 11:11.48 | ompaul | jasabelle: so it should keep going - but here is the fun thing - if you don't have a backup make one BEFORE you start |
| 11:12.01 | ompaul | because going back from brokenness is hard |
| 11:12.06 | ompaul | also ... by the way |
| 11:12.25 | ompaul | a backup of your data is really all you want |
| 11:12.36 | ompaul | have fun |
| 11:12.45 | arafangion | jasabelle: I would also take the oportunity here to point out that USB sticks, in my experience, tend to be dodgy and fail fairly easily. |
| 11:12.55 | jasabelle | lol this sounds like undocumented territory :) |
| 11:13.03 | arafangion | does tend to go for the cheap/nasty and accidentally washes them from time to time, though... |
| 11:13.09 | ompaul | jasabelle: it's more unstable |
| 11:13.24 | ompaul | because the technology is likely to fail |
| 11:13.26 | jasabelle | hehe it's a decent one this one |
| 11:13.32 | ompaul | not that the software is a problem |
| 11:13.38 | jasabelle | yeah, i'll copy my ~ first |
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| 11:13.54 | jasabelle | not like there is much to lose though :) |
| 11:13.57 | arafangion | jasabelle: I highly recommend that you have an automated backup, seriously. |
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| 11:14.20 | jasabelle | i've run testing in a vm before hmmm |
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| 11:15.21 | jasabelle | i just dont want the new packages to destroy the bootability of the usb stick |
| 11:15.25 | jasabelle | live bootability |
| 11:16.14 | arafangion | So it's mission critical? |
| 11:16.20 | arafangion | Do you have a backup? |
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| 11:17.47 | jasabelle | it's not mission critical, no |
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| 11:18.05 | arafangion | So you're prepared to loose it. Then go ahead. :) |
| 11:18.09 | p0g0_ | jasabelle: the USB stick is very easy to copy... |
| 11:18.10 | jasabelle | just be a pain to reimage my usb stick :) |
| 11:18.11 | SynrG | jasabelle: 'a live usb'. which one? |
| 11:18.17 | jasabelle | yeah i could dd it hehe |
| 11:18.23 | jasabelle | wheezy |
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| 11:19.36 | SynrG | theoretically, if you upgrade with persistence, things should be fine afterwards ... |
| 11:19.48 | SynrG | live-tools should manage updating the initrd, etc. |
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| 11:20.11 | SynrG | there is, however, an RC bug on live-tools |
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| 11:20.21 | jasabelle | ahhh |
| 11:20.23 | SynrG | doesn't upgrade cleanly wheezy->jessie |
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| 11:20.41 | SynrG | i don't know the implications for what you want to do, though. |
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| 11:20.55 | jasabelle | well if i suddenly disapear you'll know why ;) |
| 11:21.21 | SynrG | oh! um |
| 11:21.28 | SynrG | that bug is for upgrading from squeeze, apparently |
| 11:21.34 | arafangion | jasabelle: I might suggest you try building your own live images if you find this sort of thing fun. :) |
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| 11:21.53 | SynrG | and recently closed |
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| 11:22.32 | jasabelle | too advanced for me |
| 11:22.39 | SynrG | advanced? not really. |
| 11:22.47 | SynrG | there's even a handy web builder |
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| 11:23.28 | SynrG | see http://cgi.build.live-systems.org/ |
| 11:23.57 | SynrG | jasabelle: if you have issues with that, see #debian-live @ irc.oftc.net |
| 11:24.14 | jasabelle | oh ok |
| 11:24.18 | jasabelle | thanks :) |
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| 11:24.52 | SynrG | or subscribe to our list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-live and post there if nobody is around on the channel to help |
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| 11:26.42 | SynrG | jasabelle: the one thing to watch out for with the web builder is that it doesn't prevent you from selecting incompatible options. so take care when, eg., changing the architecture (i.e. verify the selected kernel is correct for the non-default architecture) |
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| 11:27.30 | SynrG | Advanced bootstrap options > --architectures amd64 needs Advanced chroot options > amd64, for example. |
| 11:27.41 | SynrG | --linux-flavours amd64, i mean |
| 11:28.06 | SynrG | sorry, my correction was not very clear :) |
| 11:28.16 | SynrG | Advanced bootstrap options > --architectures amd64 needs Advanced chroot options > --linux-flavours amd64, for example. |
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| 11:31.18 | jasabelle | ahhh ok |
| 11:32.09 | SynrG | oh, and the jessie cinnamon and mate package lists are broken right now :P |
| 11:32.24 | jasabelle | i use xfce :) |
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| 11:32.40 | SynrG | i've just committed the fix, but won't be available until next upload of live-images -> experimental (and subsequent upgrade of the web builder) |
| 11:32.49 | jasabelle | ahh ok |
| 11:32.51 | SynrG | should be fine, then |
| 11:32.54 | jasabelle | cool |
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| 11:37.14 | eugenmayer | what are alternatives to Squid3? |
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| 11:42.15 | zafu | hi, using sid and openbox I suddenly have much larger system fonts (xterm, etc.) any idea? |
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| 11:46.56 | eugenmayer | what has been broken with PECL and proxys recently?? |
| 11:47.28 | eugenmayer | it does not work at all anymore, nomatter what i do. Anything else works except PECL list-all / update-channels / install <something> |
| 11:47.55 | eugenmayer | I even setup squid3 to support https, which fixed the update-channels issue, but not the installation |
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| 12:46.47 | cy5 | linux header 3.18.7 cannot find |
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| 12:50.15 | cy5 | I want to install linux header 3.18.7 but it cannot find in rasberry pi. I tried apt-get install search linux header and choose one but my uname -r is pointing to lod linux header to change it |
| 12:50.53 | Devastator | are you using pure debian ou raspian? |
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| 13:05.37 | baum | uhm question, which wifi driver do i need for the "intel 802.11abgn" chipset? i can't figure it out |
| 13:07.28 | epsilon | run lspci or lsusb and check out the USB-ID or exact chipset name, then ask uncle google |
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| 13:08.59 | epsilon | also wiki.debian.org may contain the info you're looking for if you know the chipset name |
| 13:09.04 | baum | google told me that i should just ask here |
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| 13:10.03 | mtn | baum: the debian wiki is very helpful |
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| 13:10.40 | themill | baum: you'll need to look up the PCI-Id no matter what: lspci -nn | grep -i net |
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| 13:15.07 | baum | themill: thanks - now that i have the PCI-id google is a way more helpful :) |
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| 13:16.50 | dvs | baum: Or you can give us the [####:####] and it can tell you here. |
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| 13:17.29 | baum | dvs: means there is an irc bot for that? |
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| 13:17.35 | dvs | yup |
| 13:17.40 | baum | oh cool |
| 13:17.51 | baum | 8086:08b2 |
| 13:18.06 | dvs | ,v pciid 8086:08b2 |
| 13:18.07 | judd | No package named 'pciid' was found in i386. |
| 13:18.30 | epsilon | baum: you're doomed |
| 13:18.45 | dvs | ,pciid 8086:08b2 |
| 13:18.46 | judd | [8086:08b2] is 'Wireless 7260' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:08b2 |
| 13:18.49 | baum | epsilon: hehe |
| 13:19.09 | baum | dvs: thanks :) |
| 13:19.15 | epsilon | sound hda? |
| 13:19.26 | dvs | that's not quite the answer I expected |
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| 13:20.31 | baum | dvs: it's enoth for me - looks like i need the package firmware-iwlwifi non-free |
| 13:20.38 | baum | thanks again :) |
| 13:21.05 | themill | there's no kernel module that wants to claim that hardware |
| 13:21.39 | dvs | yeah, it seems like it's too new. |
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| 13:35.47 | baum | uhm, installing single jessie packets on wheezy should work right? |
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| 13:36.01 | dvs | no |
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| 13:36.15 | jelly | baum: it might work or it might break everything |
| 13:36.37 | jelly | baum: "should" it work, no, that's what backports are for |
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| 13:37.24 | baum | oh, so backports packets work on weezy? |
| 13:37.41 | dvs | baum: wheezy-backport package will work on wheezy |
| 13:38.05 | baum | alright, thanks |
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| 13:41.22 | PercyB | "configure: error: Qt 5 not found - required!" - Could somebody maybe point in the right direction how to solve this? I tried to search for a solution with no luck. qtcreator is installed. |
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| 13:43.11 | andybug | PercyB: are you tring to build something that uses Qt 5? |
| 13:43.15 | mtn | PercyB: is qt5 in debian yet? http://packages.debian.org |
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| 13:44.15 | PercyB | andybug Yes, and qtbase5-dev is installed |
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| 13:47.38 | PercyB | mtn Actually I'm not sure but according to the package qtbase5-dev it is. And as I mentioned I also installed qtcreator from the qt website - just have no idea why ./configure gives me that line |
| 13:47.54 | baum | uhm, using the back-ports version this time, enabling wlan0 still doesn't work |
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| 13:50.26 | andybug | PercyB: it looks like qtbase5-dev installs the headers under /usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5, which is kind of weird |
| 13:50.52 | andybug | maybe it's having trouble finding them |
| 13:51.05 | PercyB | andybug I also checked qmake --version and it says Using Qt version 5.3.2 in /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu |
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| 13:52.00 | andybug | PercyB: is there any way to specify an include directory on the configure call? |
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| 13:52.44 | Brigo | baum, what is the problem about your wifi? |
| 13:52.44 | PercyB | andybug Hmm, good question, I'll just check the man-pages. thx for the suggestion |
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| 13:53.54 | themill | andybug, PercyB: /usr/include/$(triplet)/ is the standard include path which allows you to have the headers for different architectures installed on the same machine |
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| 13:54.50 | baum | Brigo: after installing the driver i'm trying to use the command "ifconfig wlan0 up" - which gets me the error "wlan0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device" |
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| 13:55.37 | Brigo | baum, are you with wheezy? did you know if you need firmware? |
| 13:55.47 | themill | baum: as I said half an hour ago, there's no kernel module that wants to claim that hardware. If there's no driver, it's not going to work... |
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| 13:56.04 | PercyB | themill Ok, thx. |
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| 13:56.49 | baum | themill: but there is a driver? https://packages.debian.org/wheezy-backports/firmware-iwlwifi |
| 13:56.59 | hit_ | Hi, I was trying to install ia32-libs to use android fastboot and I think I broke something, I first needed to: dpkg --add-architecture i386 to install it but now my dependencies are broken |
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| 13:57.19 | hit_ | my output for apt-get -f install is: http://pastebin.com/GFHP0fEF |
| 13:57.25 | hit_ | how to solve it? |
| 13:57.45 | Brigo | baum, that is not a driver, that is firmware files. |
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| 13:58.15 | baum | oh i see |
| 13:58.55 | baum | by chance i could use the ubuntu-driver to get the wlan to work? |
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| 13:59.33 | Brigo | baum, did you need the iwlwifi driver? i thoung it was already in debian kernel |
| 13:59.51 | ompaul | Brigo: na, but apt knows about it |
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| 14:00.23 | ompaul | ,v firmware-iwlwifi |
| 14:00.24 | judd | Package: firmware-iwlwifi on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 0.28+squeeze1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1~bpo60+1; wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 0.43~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 0.43; sid/non-free: 0.43 |
| 14:00.43 | ompaul | baum: don't be breaking your debian |
| 14:00.49 | ompaul | !don't break Debian |
| 14:00.49 | dpkg | well, dont break debian is https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
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| 14:01.00 | ompaul | baum: ^^^^^^^^ read that page a couple of times |
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| 14:02.34 | baum | well doesn't matter if i break it since i didn't get it running yet hehe |
| 14:03.03 | ompaul | baum: do it right and you get support, don't do it right and you will be told nobody knows how to help you |
| 14:03.09 | ompaul | so that is your choice |
| 14:03.58 | ompaul | !wifi |
| 14:03.58 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <broadcom>; Intel: <intel>; Intersil: <prism>; Marvell: <marvell>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <realtek>; TI: <acx-mac80211>; VIA: <vt665x>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also <crda>, <killswitch>, <wpa>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 14:04.18 | ompaul | baum: read that page it will sort you out, it's very simple, I know I have that same chipset |
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| 14:04.24 | FreeWolF | hello |
| 14:04.40 | baum | ompaul: alright, will do, thanks |
| 14:04.56 | FreeWolF | I have a 120Gb SSD hard disk, how can I partition it for debian? |
| 14:04.58 | ompaul | baum: the other link is worth your time |
| 14:05.12 | ompaul | FreeWolF: however you want - so what's your real question |
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| 14:05.39 | FreeWolF | is correct to make a root partition only without swap ? |
| 14:05.40 | ompaul | do you want to install debian on all of it - just fire up the installer and away you go |
| 14:05.44 | ompaul | no |
| 14:05.51 | ompaul | you can you don't have to |
| 14:06.06 | ompaul | but it would be better if there was a little bit - as long as you have enough ram |
| 14:07.17 | ompaul | FreeWolF: early ssds reacted very badly to being used for swap however you shouldn't look for swap give the box enough ram so it can keep going |
| 14:07.35 | FreeWolF | ok |
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| 14:11.59 | baum | ompaul: thanks for the link again, guess the chance of breaking my debian dropped after reading it hehe |
| 14:12.44 | PercyB | sorry, I just could not figure that qt5 issue out yet. as it was mentioned /usr/include/$(triplet)/ is the standard include path - how do I use the config command before "make"? |
| 14:12.47 | ompaul | baum: only if you follow the ideas within it, and now know that the wiki might be a better idea than randomly grabbing first result you see online - keyword Debian in all queries |
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| 14:14.51 | baum | ,pciid 8086:08b2 |
| 14:14.51 | judd | [8086:08b2] is 'Wireless 7260' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:08b2 |
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| 14:20.10 | baum | ompaul: well going by the wiki i need to install the exact firmware package i installed before |
| 14:20.17 | baum | https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/HP/EliteBook%20840%20G1?highlight=%28wireless%29|%287260%29 |
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| 14:20.42 | feurd_ | Hi. Is there a way to display some kind of 'open with...' list of programms for a given file, in the terminal? |
| 14:20.43 | dvs | before? |
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| 14:21.34 | baum | i did install the firmware-iwlwifi package (debian backports) |
| 14:21.43 | baum | *weezy backports |
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| 14:25.57 | ompaul | baum: read the start of the wiki |
| 14:26.08 | ompaul | you need to install some helper stuff |
| 14:26.23 | ompaul | baum: and you have to get the right firmware for your chipset |
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| 14:26.52 | dvs | ompaul: I think he has the right firmware package |
| 14:26.53 | ompaul | it discusses generations of stuff read it before reacting |
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| 14:27.23 | ompaul | dvs: hardware switch |
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| 14:27.59 | ompaul | if that doesn't work, & the firmware is right & the version is right - then blame the hardware |
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| 14:30.31 | ompaul | baum: (this is based on assumptions that what I say is right) since you did install the helper package named on that page, and then you installed the correct firmware to match your radio, and you do not have a firmware switch for your hardware and you rebooted and installed wcid or something to control the wifi then you have a real problem |
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| 14:31.34 | ompaul | baum: if that is the case you need to turn off the machine go away have a cup of tea (or something similar) come back reboot and you should hae a working box |
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| 14:31.56 | ompaul | baum: else you have made a chipset error or some such |
| 14:32.40 | ompaul | baum: while we get a lot of people who say how to make wifi work, well ... we don't get many who say I did what I was told and now find it can't work at all |
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| 14:32.57 | ompaul | there is of course the assumption that the router offering wireless is working correction |
| 14:33.05 | ompaul | *correctly |
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| 14:33.58 | baum | ompaul: while reading through the wiki, i realized that i still had to install wireless-tools |
| 14:34.13 | baum | did that - now i'm trying to reboot the machine :) |
| 14:34.21 | ompaul | there is no try |
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| 14:37.07 | baum | ompaul: going through the things you wrote carefully: |
| 14:37.14 | baum | what is a helper packet? |
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| 14:38.20 | ompaul | baum: not packet |
| 14:38.30 | ompaul | not reading as carefully as I wrote ;-) |
| 14:38.36 | baum | *package |
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| 14:39.31 | Tuplanolla | Can someone explain why the following command doesn't terminate? |
| 14:39.31 | Tuplanolla | $ sed -u s:.:./:g < /dev/zero | head -c 42 |
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| 14:40.06 | dvs | Tuplanolla: Because /dev/zero doesn't terminate? |
| 14:40.18 | baum | ompaul: and antoher question: why would i need wcid? |
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| 14:40.38 | Tuplanolla | That shouldn't be a problem, because head should close the pipe after 42 bytes, dvs. |
| 14:40.50 | ompaul | baum: you don't but I like it to run my networks |
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| 14:41.09 | ompaul | baum: when I'm not writing static stanzas for the machines in question |
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| 14:41.32 | Tuplanolla | There's also -u, which should make sed flush its output, dvs. |
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| 14:42.09 | dvs | Tuplanolla: The search is also a bit weird. Shouldn't it be s/././:g ? |
| 14:42.20 | dvs | oh wait nvm |
| 14:42.33 | baum | ompaul: alright, i'll consider using wcid once a basic connection works |
| 14:42.43 | dvs | I'd use something beside ":" as separators though |
| 14:42.49 | Tuplanolla | The idea is to generate a really long path that goes nowhere, dvs. |
| 14:42.57 | centrx | Tuplanolla, sed -u s:.:./:g < /dev/zero isn't returning anything anyway |
| 14:43.02 | baum | ompaul: i didn't get the static stanzas thing, would you mind rephrasing it? |
| 14:43.21 | ompaul | baum: writing up the interfaces file by hand |
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| 14:43.40 | dvs | !prize centrx |
| 14:43.40 | dpkg | gives centrx a beer. |
| 14:43.51 | Tuplanolla | Yes, but why, centrx? |
| 14:43.52 | baum | alright thanks |
| 14:44.08 | ompaul | you are pulling in /dev/zero |
| 14:44.14 | ompaul | head desks |
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| 14:44.32 | Tuplanolla | It works if you change the order of operations, ompaul. |
| 14:44.37 | Tuplanolla | $ head -c 21 /dev/zero | sed -u s:.:./:g |
| 14:44.53 | ompaul | 0 not 00000 |
| 14:44.58 | ompaul | anyway |
| 14:45.40 | Tuplanolla | The problem with that order is the imprecise length (in this case half of what it should be). |
| 14:46.34 | ompaul | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:47.02 | baum | ompaul: alright, since it doesn't seem to work yet, i'll take your advice and will shut down the machine before getting a cup of coffee |
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| 14:47.55 | ompaul | baum: reboot it while getting coffee |
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| 14:51.27 | Tuplanolla | So sed needs input that terminates. Not much of a stream editor, is it? |
| 14:51.45 | Tuplanolla | It's just called that to mislead people. |
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| 14:52.19 | ompaul | you can file a bug fix and call your delta streamingsed |
| 14:52.48 | Tuplanolla | I reckon it still wouldn't work on most systems, which is the point of writing shell scripts in the first place. |
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| 14:55.41 | Tuplanolla | For everything else there's #! /usr/bin/env runhaskell. |
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| 14:59.40 | baum | ompaul: it still doesn't seem to work, now what? the driver seems to be supported by the kernal http://linux-wless.passys.nl/query_part.php?brandname=Intel |
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| 15:01.08 | baum | ompaul: though did i get this right? iwlwifi and firmware-iwlwifi are two different things? |
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| 15:07.05 | ompaul | baum: apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi is what you want to happen |
| 15:07.16 | ompaul | baum: one is a wrapper and the other is the working bit |
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| 15:07.25 | ompaul | you want to do it the debian way there is no halfway house |
| 15:07.38 | ompaul | because when you upgrade you'll kill your box |
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| 15:11.42 | zupzupper | Morning folks |
| 15:12.01 | zupzupper | (well for us in the US anyway ;)) |
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| 15:12.54 | zupzupper | could anyone tell me the format debian installer expects firmware packages to be in to load during install? |
| 15:13.15 | ompaul | get them from the debian archives |
| 15:13.25 | zupzupper | I've tried extracting the deb into folders, leaving the deb at the root level, and it doesnt' seem to pick them up. This is on wheezy 7.8 install |
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| 15:13.37 | baum | ompaul: ah yep, fimrware-iwlwifi already happened, wireless-tools got installed, modprobe iwlwifi happened, reboots happened, what did i miss? |
| 15:13.58 | ompaul | did it work? |
| 15:14.13 | baum | ompaul: nope, ifconfig wlan0 up still fails |
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| 15:15.58 | ompaul | baum: what does ifconfig -a do p[ut it in http://paste.debian.net |
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| 15:19.42 | zupzupper | ok, pulled the whole firmware tarball instead of just the package i'm missing, I'll give it another shot |
| 15:20.15 | ompaul | !firmware |
| 15:20.15 | dpkg | Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
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| 15:20.46 | ompaul | zupzupper: ^^^ how to do it debian style |
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| 15:21.50 | zupzupper | ompaul: thanks, I'm familiar, I just have never managed to get non-free firmware working during install, always in post, just wondered what the proper format for the extra usb stick was |
| 15:22.01 | baum | ompaul: http://paste.debian.net/166391/ |
| 15:22.43 | ompaul | baum: is that all? |
| 15:22.48 | baum | ompaul: yes |
| 15:22.50 | zupzupper | ;) aw well, I'll go hard wire the dang thing for the rest of the install |
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| 15:23.01 | ompaul | baum: no ethernet |
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| 15:23.10 | ompaul | what is this computer you are using |
| 15:23.32 | baum | ompaul: Thinkpad Yoga (yes no ethernet...) |
| 15:24.02 | pythonsnake | hi |
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| 15:24.35 | pythonsnake | I'm having a weird issue, not sure if it is php or nginx but I'm trying to get php working, got a simple php_info index page and it just displays a blank page |
| 15:24.57 | ompaul | baum: is there a physical switch for the wifi on the box |
| 15:24.59 | pythonsnake | Nothing in logs, pasting config |
| 15:25.20 | pythonsnake | http://pastie.org/private/lcqok8ppyccmw6nks2bjq |
| 15:25.35 | abrotman | pythonsnake: are you testing with curl, or a browser? |
| 15:25.39 | pythonsnake | Note: php works for another vhost, but not this one. And it is not wordpress |
| 15:25.42 | pythonsnake | abrotman: browser |
| 15:25.44 | pythonsnake | cache disabled |
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| 15:25.56 | pythonsnake | This is happening after an upgrade to Jessie. |
| 15:25.57 | abrotman | pythonsnake: I'd really use curl, but your call |
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| 15:26.25 | baum | ompaul: nope, the wifi can only be deactivated via a hotkey |
| 15:26.31 | pythonsnake | abrotman: with curl, no output |
| 15:26.38 | ompaul | baum: try hitting that hotkey |
| 15:26.44 | ompaul | and then do ifconfig -a |
| 15:28.22 | pythonsnake | This is so weird |
| 15:28.23 | baum | ompaul: the hotkey can't be used yet |
| 15:29.06 | ompaul | baum: so the thing is - IF you have correctly identified the hardware |
| 15:29.19 | ompaul | it should be working at this point |
| 15:29.40 | baum | ompaul: i did correctly identify it, here's the exact type: thinkpad yoga 20cd-0038ge |
| 15:29.58 | ompaul | that's not a wifi |
| 15:30.01 | ompaul | id |
| 15:30.10 | ompaul | lspci |
| 15:30.22 | baum | yes, that's the lenovo-model ID |
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| 15:30.43 | ompaul | baum: read this https://wiki.debian.org/HowToIdentifyADevice/PCI |
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| 15:32.13 | baum | ompaul: yes, i already did that before "Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Device [8086:08b2] (rev 83) |
| 15:32.15 | baum | " |
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| 15:33.53 | ompaul | baum: what say this: lspci -nnk |
| 15:34.52 | somiaj | ,pciid 8086:08b2 |
| 15:34.54 | judd | [8086:08b2] is 'Wireless 7260' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:08b2 |
| 15:35.09 | baum | ompaul: the same like before, in addition: "Subsystem: Intel Corporation Device [8086:4270] |
| 15:35.16 | somiaj | you will need backported kenrel and iwlwifi firmware to get the 7260 to work in wheezy |
| 15:35.18 | baum | " |
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| 15:35.43 | ompaul | : oh sugar !!!!! |
| 15:36.17 | ompaul | baum: get the current testing CD and install that it goes gold in about 10 days |
| 15:36.19 | AlexPortable | Where on debian are mysql databases stored? |
| 15:36.26 | AlexPortable | I have a disk backup and I want to retrieve the mysql database |
| 15:36.30 | ompaul | it will be better than messing around with what you are doing |
| 15:36.37 | somiaj | AlexPortable: /var/mysql or something like that |
| 15:36.46 | AlexPortable | somiaj: no such folder |
| 15:36.46 | ompaul | somiaj: thanks for the heads up |
| 15:37.02 | somiaj | AlexPortable: usually they are stored in /var, poke around there. |
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| 15:37.15 | somiaj | AlexPortable: /var/lib is sometimes a common place too |
| 15:37.25 | AlexPortable | thanks |
| 15:37.43 | somiaj | AlexPortable: yea I'm seeing a /var/lib/mysql |
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| 15:38.04 | AlexPortable | any way I can convert or just copy paste these files to another apache instance? |
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| 15:39.17 | AlexPortable | fixed thanks |
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| 15:39.53 | somiaj | AlexPortable: you mean myslq instance, and yes, I belive each data base is put in its own file. Note I do recall there being two common formats the databses are stored and I forget whcih is default on debian. |
| 15:40.00 | AlexPortable | nah it works |
| 15:40.03 | AlexPortable | i just copied the whole folder |
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| 15:41.47 | somiaj | AlexPortable: I'm unsure if this is an issue or not, but usually best to stop the mysql server and then 'sync; sync' once or twice, just in case some of the stuff is still in memeory and not written to the files |
| 15:42.03 | baum | ompaul: will do, thanks |
| 15:42.23 | shurnormal | Can you make a recommendation of a model for buying a laptop that will run Jessie? I'm running Wheezy on a late 2008 laptop that I fortunately bought with the memory 2->4GiB extension but didn't bought any hard disk expansion. So I stick with a 150GB hard disk and sometimes I have to make big builds and my free space kinda changes unstably. |
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| 15:44.12 | somiaj | shurnormal: just look at a laptop by laptop issue. Find one you like, and then look for support for the drivers (naimily etherneti, wifi, video). |
| 15:44.28 | ompaul | baum: I didn't realise the hardware was that new sorry |
| 15:44.55 | somiaj | shurnormal: support is tied to the kernel, so anything that has drivers in 3.16 will most likely run on jessie (so I'd say any not bleeding edge model). I would also avoid the models with the dual video cards (i.e. the onchip intel and the nvidia mixed) |
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| 15:45.00 | somiaj | they can work, but can also be a pain |
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| 15:45.21 | baum | ompaul: no worrys, didn't realize it either hehe |
| 15:45.35 | baum | ompaul: thanks for the help though, will take an hour to get the new image now |
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| 15:45.46 | ompaul | somiaj: have an understatement of the month award ;-) |
| 15:46.06 | ompaul | baum: you will still need the same packages |
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| 15:46.20 | Dr_Coke | hey is debian jessie out |
| 15:46.24 | baum | yep, thought so |
| 15:46.37 | Dr_Coke | I mean is debian jessie released as stable now? |
| 15:46.44 | Dr_Coke | replacing in wheezy |
| 15:46.50 | Dr_Coke | replacing wheezy |
| 15:46.52 | Dr_Coke | i mean |
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| 15:46.58 | somiaj | Dr_Coke: there are about 100 release critical bugs out. Some hope it will be released by the end of the month. Im' thinking may at the latest |
| 15:47.11 | Dr_Coke | Oh really |
| 15:47.15 | Dr_Coke | So it's almost done |
| 15:47.29 | Dr_Coke | Jessie will bring a lot of support hey |
| 15:47.38 | somiaj | I keep hearing the april 25th date. It is possible, but I'm thinking first half of may. |
| 15:47.41 | Dr_Coke | for steam and for games |
| 15:48.01 | Dr_Coke | is that true? |
| 15:48.02 | somiaj | in terms of usability, it is actually 'almost stable'. only main thing it misses is security support. |
| 15:48.02 | ompaul | somiaj: well it could be longer but I'm thinking +-5 five days |
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| 15:48.21 | Dr_Coke | somiaj, I remember your name |
| 15:48.26 | Dr_Coke | from ages ago |
| 15:48.30 | Dr_Coke | last year |
| 15:48.39 | Dr_Coke | Do you remember me? |
| 15:48.53 | Dr_Coke | I actually converted to running mac osx |
| 15:49.01 | bigterd | md5sum question, typing locate img001.jpg prints out several paths of where that filename is located, how can i easily pipe the paths into md5sum to see what's quickly identical? |
| 15:49.06 | somiaj | Dr_Coke: not really a social channel. Sorry don't reconize the name, but I don't pay to much attention to names, just in helping people with debian issues. (: |
| 15:49.16 | Dr_Coke | oh right |
| 15:49.19 | Dr_Coke | you helped me |
| 15:49.24 | Dr_Coke | once or twice i think |
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| 15:49.55 | somiaj | bigterd: as long as locate sends them as a list, you can pipe that list into other commands. xargs is a nice tool for taking a list and running a command on eacn member in that list |
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| 15:50.33 | somiaj | bigterd: though with md5sum, I think you awnt to make the list as a file, maybe locate > foo.text will do that, then run md5sum on all things in that file. |
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| 15:51.55 | bigterd | i don't think md5sum will follow a path in a file? |
| 15:52.09 | bigterd | unless locate is printing it incorrectly for what makes md5sum happy |
| 15:52.57 | bigterd | sounds like xargs will need to be stuffed in there somewhere as well. |
| 15:52.59 | somiaj | md5sum will work on full paths. The list needs to have returns (\n) after each file, I forget the output format of locate. |
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| 15:55.46 | bigterd | somiaj: then i'm doing something wrong, locate spits out full paths |
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| 15:57.35 | bigterd | locate file > md5sum does nothing. |
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| 15:58.14 | bigterd | erm locate file | md5sum makes a hash, but just from locates output |
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| 16:01.07 | jaggied | there was a channel for nvidia support right? |
| 16:01.44 | jaggied | how do I install nvidia-driver from jessie? |
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| 16:01.59 | jaggied | pardon me, jessie-backports |
| 16:02.02 | jaggied | -t? |
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| 16:02.56 | mtn | jaggied: there are not any jessie-backports, jessie is not released |
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| 16:03.22 | jaggied | oh.. weird.. nvidia-detect recommends it |
| 16:04.12 | jaggied | I need the 343 or greater drivers for my card to work apparently.. a gtx 970 |
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| 16:04.30 | mtn | jaggied: which one is in jessie? did you look? |
| 16:04.33 | jaggied | I got it working for a few months using nvidia's own driver, but I updated my testing packages and something broke |
| 16:04.39 | jaggied | 340 |
| 16:04.44 | mtn | jaggied: http://packages.debian.org |
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| 16:05.09 | mtn | jaggied: probably just need to reinstall the driver |
| 16:05.21 | jaggied | I'm trying to go to jessie's version right now.. the apt install is .. just sitting there |
| 16:05.32 | jaggied | 76% .. and frozen.. |
| 16:05.50 | bigterd | hm, i found this awesome command on commandlinefu.com, supposly finds all files identical with size, then does a md5hash, then compares with sort. |
| 16:06.03 | bigterd | i think i'll remount my 20Tb array as readonly before executing this dude... |
| 16:06.26 | jaggied | bigterd, there are other utilities to find unique files |
| 16:07.13 | bigterd | jaggied: i need to scan my array of duplicated headaches. |
| 16:07.43 | bigterd | i practiced a bad habit of copying, but never deleting the orginal, and need a quick way of md5sum instead of looking at every photo |
| 16:08.38 | jaggied | libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386 is just sitting there.. strace shows it's in /bin/sh /usr/lib/nvidia/check-for-mismatching-nvidia-module 340.65 |
| 16:08.52 | jaggied | what a pain.. probably this could go to #debian-next .. but not really.. |
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| 16:09.18 | jaggied | bigterd, yeah.. some utilities that do it.. probably better than a script.. |
| 16:09.27 | jaggied | can't do searching to well through lynx/links right now though.. |
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| 16:10.12 | bigterd | name a some utility. |
| 16:10.12 | somiaj | bigterd: so you want locate > file.text then run md5sum (man md5sum) on that file, then it will spit out the md5 sum for each path in that file |
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| 16:10.37 | bigterd | somiaj: yeah, except 20Tb's worth. |
| 16:10.46 | jaggied | man... I can't even kill -9 it |
| 16:10.54 | somiaj | jaggied: jessie-backports doens't exist yet (besides as a place keeper). If you are running jessie what is wrong with the nvidia driver it comes with? |
| 16:11.13 | somiaj | bigterd: in that case put xargs in between, locate | xargs md5sum |
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| 16:11.18 | jaggied | somiaj: 340 didn't support the 970 and 980's |
| 16:11.41 | somiaj | jaggied: only bet you have there is the version from experiemential. It should install in jessie right now, but in general don't install from experimental |
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| 16:11.49 | somiaj | ,v nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 16:11.50 | judd | Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze2; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+2; wheezy/non-free: 304.125-1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 340.65-2~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.65-2; sid/non-free: 340.76-1; experimental/non-free: 343.36-1 |
| 16:11.59 | jaggied | grr.. locate -0 | xargs -0 |
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| 16:12.25 | somiaj | jaggied: will 343.36 work, if not, you can use the nvidia installer, but realize it won't play nicely with debian, so you may have to reinstall after upgrades. |
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| 16:12.38 | jaggied | I can't even kill -9 the install scripts.. wow... |
| 16:12.41 | somiaj | also nvidia's installer is not really supported here (but you may not have much of a choice with that hardware) |
| 16:12.54 | jaggied | yeah, 343.36 was what I was at before |
| 16:13.07 | jaggied | I'm really not sure what broke when updating my testing files |
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| 16:13.37 | somiaj | well upgrading testing will overwrite the nvidia files it put there. Sometimes you just need to rerun their closed binary. Again not supported since we aren't exactlly sure what it does. |
| 16:13.44 | abrotman | jaggied: Did you download the .run from thier website? |
| 16:13.50 | jaggied | ^z, kill %1 worked.. :) |
| 16:13.51 | jaggied | yes |
| 16:14.06 | abrotman | you know you'r enot supposed to do that? |
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| 16:14.27 | jaggied | oh I was at 343.35 :) |
| 16:14.39 | FLHerne | abrotman: Version in the repos is quite old, doesn't support recent cards |
| 16:14.51 | jaggied | abrotman: yeah... not my favorite thing to do.. I couldn't get out of that script though.. completely hung |
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| 16:17.08 | jaggied | one last question (hopefully) -- their .run keeps detecting a debian install of nvidia drivers... |
| 16:17.24 | jaggied | I had attempted to install the experimental version... |
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| 16:18.59 | jaggied | I'm not sure what to remove, or otherwise do, to clear that up. |
| 16:19.13 | somiaj | jaggied: again we don't support their .run. Right now jessie doesn't really support newer cards. But my suggestion is use the packages from experiemential. |
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| 16:19.40 | somiaj | jaggied: just remove all the debian packages for the nvidia non-free driver and it will remove all the debian stuff (it won't touch the stuff the installer put there before). Also look at nvidia-installer-cleanup |
| 16:20.24 | jaggied | how do I clean out all the non-free? |
| 16:20.30 | somiaj | !non-free |
| 16:20.31 | dpkg | [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 16:20.37 | somiaj | !tell jaggied about non-free list |
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| 16:22.45 | jaggied | thanks a lot for the help |
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| 16:25.19 | jaggied | what's aptitude search's 'Bd' state? |
| 16:25.31 | Funambuli | hi!!! |
| 16:25.51 | somiaj | jaggied: read the man page, but I think B = broken and d = downloaded or something |
| 16:25.58 | somiaj | unsure about the d, but B sounds like broken |
| 16:26.08 | jaggied | I read it before asking :) couldn't find \<B\> |
| 16:26.15 | Funambuli | i'm trying to redirect all the traffic of a subnet with openwrt through a external prowy with squid, any idea about how to do it? |
| 16:26.18 | Funambuli | thanks |
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| 16:26.51 | somiaj | jaggied: yea those are letters I don't see that often so I can't recall them exacttly. (: |
| 16:27.50 | jaggied | :) |
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| 16:28.46 | jaggzt | okay... at least I got X up without nvidia in place :) |
| 16:28.55 | jaggzt | thanks a lot.. now family needs me.. getting in the way of me fixing my computer! |
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| 16:33.00 | DelphiWorld | hey |
| 16:33.12 | DelphiWorld | after modifying my asound conf file, would i need to restart anything? |
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| 16:34.53 | somiaj | DelphiWorld: maybe the applications you want to use sound with, that should be all |
| 16:35.04 | DelphiWorld | somiaj: thank, dude;) |
| 16:35.09 | somiaj | DelphiWorld: i.e. after an application starts and picks what settings to use, it doesn't look at it again. |
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| 16:35.24 | DelphiWorld | somiaj: got it;) |
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| 16:35.53 | DelphiWorld | somiaj, i changed the sample rate of my mixer but it not aplying |
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| 16:37.34 | somiaj | DelphiWorld: don't know much about that, all I use my $HOME/.asoundrc for is changing the default sound card. |
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| 16:37.49 | somiaj | the defaults have always worked for me |
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| 16:38.26 | DelphiWorld | somiaj: if i'm runing a sound program a root... i think /etc/asound2.conf will work right? |
| 16:39.28 | saisiddhant | Can anyone help me to know how can I massage a driver for a particular organisation? |
| 16:39.49 | DelphiWorld | somiaj: crap..., my alsa is crashing |
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| 16:40.54 | somiaj | DelphiWorld: I don't run sound programs as root. I just use the $HOME/.asoundrc as my user. Again the system one should work, I forget what its called though, read the docs. |
| 16:41.09 | somiaj | saisiddhant: care to clarify what you mean. |
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| 16:41.28 | DelphiWorld | somiaj: let me pb mine |
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| 16:42.40 | saisiddhant | somia: I want to massage the LPR and CUPS driver for brother and samsung printers, so How can I do that ? |
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| 16:43.05 | saisiddhant | * Somiaj : |
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| 16:43.50 | somiaj | saisiddhant: again I don't get what you mean by massage. But you can control the CUPS system and select which drivers/printers to use via its web interface though by default it is localhost:631 |
| 16:44.15 | somiaj | If you can't find the requirements for the printer you have, sometimes you can find info online. I'm not that familar with printer drivers though. |
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| 16:45.42 | saisiddhant | somiaj : Thanks, but can you share any resources for the above |
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| 16:46.06 | somiaj | saisiddhant: https://wiki.debian.org/SystemPrinting |
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| 16:48.57 | DelphiWorld | somiaj: my conf file http://paste.debian.net/166401/ |
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| 16:49.20 | DelphiWorld | doing this conf never let alsa start http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=47899 |
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| 16:54.02 | YamakasY | damn this is odd, I need to route my full /8 over eth0 but all traffic to the internet over eth1... eth0 has an IP 10.1.0.1 and eth1 10.0.0.1 ... impossible to me |
| 16:54.23 | abrotman | Those are in the same /8 |
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| 16:55.34 | YamakasY | yap |
| 16:55.44 | YamakasY | erm |
| 16:55.54 | YamakasY | how do you mean actually.. is it a question ? |
| 16:56.07 | YamakasY | no both have their own /24 |
| 16:56.20 | abrotman | You're the one that said route a /8 |
| 16:56.25 | abrotman | How is this related to Debian? |
| 16:57.26 | YamakasY | abrotman: juts because I'm routing in debian atm :) |
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| 17:03.47 | Xtoph | hi! i have a problem with my new ThinkPad X1 carbon and debian jessie (gdm 3.14.1, X server 1.16.4). as soon as there is movement on the screen, the CPU usage of gnome-shell is very high ("normal" usage such as surfing the web bursting to about 25%, watching a 720p video constantly at about 40% and lagging). i have already googled, but not found a solution. can anyone help me? |
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| 17:04.56 | somiaj | Xtoph: what video drivers, almost sounds like you don't have acceleration and the cpu is doing all the work. |
| 17:05.15 | Xtoph | somiaj: how do i check that? |
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| 17:06.34 | somiaj | Xtoph: I'd start by looking at /var/log/Xorg.0.log and read what drivers it detected and is using. Then I would also figure out what actual gpu you have |
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| 17:08.20 | Xtoph | somiaj: yes, ill check the log. the gpu should be an integrated intel hd graphics 5500 according to the specs. |
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| 17:11.49 | donofrio | curious does anyone else notice extra things added to tinyurl's and it seems a bunch of other sites....."?hc_location=ufi" I have no idea as to why this came from my tinyurl link but doing google serach for "?hc_location=ufi" returns pages of results?? am I alone in noticing this? |
| 17:12.21 | somiaj | Xtoph: Well I would be intersted to see if the log is actually loading the intel hd drivers or not. Also the output of 'xvinfo' and 'glxinfo' can be useful |
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| 17:13.13 | somiaj | donofrio: this isn't really debian, but webservers do lots of different things. Some use ModRewrite to rewrite urls to send them to their (what ever language of choice) scripts to generate the output |
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| 17:13.37 | somiaj | donofrio: as for a paticualr site, you need to ask their support or figure out how they do things. |
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| 17:14.08 | Xtoph | somiaj: the first thing i noticed in the log file: some chipsets are listed in there, but my 5500 ist not there. |
| 17:14.31 | Xtoph | somiaj: so it seems that it loads the wrong drivers? |
| 17:14.44 | somiaj | Xtoph: so page down, what driver is it actually using, eventally you should lots of lines witha driver like Intel or Vesa or something |
| 17:15.00 | somiaj | Xtoph: that would be my guess, you could put your logs at paste.debian.net if you wanted another pair of eyes on them |
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| 17:15.52 | donofrio | somiaj: hence why I stated google with that "?hc_location=ufi" and see for youself - it's not just my tinyurl site but many other links are getting this....it seems like extar junk but gotta mean something, I mean if it was just me and tinyurl I'd be like yah tottaly agree but go the google search and you'll see....something's amiss...and yes OT but not really cause I'm on a debian system typing this lol |
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| 17:16.28 | Xtoph | somiaj: xvinfo says: X-Video Extension version 2.2 / screen #0 / no adaptors present |
| 17:16.51 | Xtoph | somiaj: yes thanks. ill upload the logs |
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| 17:17.39 | somiaj | donofrio: again these are just extra variables sent to webservers, also webservers will rewrite urls as above to send the variable to their scripts. |
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| 17:17.54 | somiaj | Xtoph: sounds like you just aren't getting your video drivers detected. |
| 17:18.04 | somiaj | Xtoph: what kernel are you running, uname -a? And is this jessie or wheezy? |
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| 17:18.44 | Xtoph | somiaj: here is my log: https://paste.debian.net/166410/ |
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| 17:18.57 | Xtoph | somiaj: https://paste.debian.net/166410/ |
| 17:19.05 | Xtoph | somiaj: Linux chris-x1 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt7-1 (2015-03-01) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 17:19.55 | somiaj | yea it isn't detecting your gpu correctly and you are using software rendering |
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| 17:20.22 | somiaj | Don't know the best suggestion to get it to detect your card. You could do some research and figure out what kernel version has the drivers for that card. But right now not much you can do in jessie. |
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| 17:20.40 | somiaj | you could also try to force xorg to use the intel driver, this can have mixed results. |
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| 17:21.06 | somiaj | but you may need a newer kernel and xorg-xserver-video-intel driver than jessie has right now. |
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| 17:23.09 | Xtoph | somiaj: ok, ill try to force using the intel driver first. thanks for your help. |
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| 17:27.02 | nami | hello; how can I hide Debian discalmer on ssh login on Jessie? |
| 17:27.24 | AvocetVIS | I think it's /etc/motd |
| 17:27.31 | AvocetVIS | that would need to be edited |
| 17:27.43 | nami | i'd like to remove it only on remote shell if possible |
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| 17:28.38 | AvocetVIS | don't know about that, i'm sure there's a way though. |
| 17:29.06 | nami | 'PrintMotd no' is in /etc/ssh/sshd_config, seems broken to me |
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| 17:29.49 | ompaul | nami: do you control the far end machine |
| 17:30.08 | nami | it's mine ompaul, so yes |
| 17:30.25 | Funambuli | hiii!!! |
| 17:30.33 | Funambuli | anyone controls openwrt? |
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| 17:30.59 | ompaul | !openwrt |
| 17:30.59 | dpkg | OpenWrt is a Linux distribution for embedded devices. http://openwrt.org/ . See also <debianwrt>. |
| 17:32.03 | Funambuli | ok guys i'm trying to connect opkg through a proxy |
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| 17:32.27 | Funambuli | and the config at /etc/opkg.conf |
| 17:32.58 | Funambuli | is option http_proxy http://proxyip:port/ |
| 17:33.05 | Funambuli | and does't works |
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| 17:33.16 | ompaul | nami: so motd only controls the bit after uname -a |
| 17:33.20 | Funambuli | and i'm chatting behind the openwrt |
| 17:33.36 | nami | ompaul: i get a discalmer every time i ssh in |
| 17:33.43 | ompaul | nami: that's motd |
| 17:33.52 | ompaul | but part of what you get is the uname -a |
| 17:34.05 | ompaul | so cat /dev/null > /etc/motd will kill off that |
| 17:34.14 | ompaul | except for the bit I said |
| 17:34.53 | nami | ompaul: what the poit of 'PrintMotd no' in sshd_config then |
| 17:34.55 | ompaul | nami: this bit is not from motd Linux blurb 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.65-1+deb7u2 x86_64 |
| 17:35.11 | ompaul | nami: I don't know I'm not an sshd author and I could look |
| 17:35.21 | ompaul | but I'll be doing exactly the same research as you |
| 17:35.32 | Funambuli | so anyone knows how to config a proxy for opkg? |
| 17:35.58 | nami | https://paste.debian.net/plain/166413 |
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| 17:36.45 | ompaul | nami: so do what I said cat /dev/null > /etc/motd |
| 17:36.58 | ompaul | nami: that will kill that bit until we figure out what the rest is |
| 17:37.30 | nami | ompaul: i get only /etc/motd, there is no rest |
| 17:37.40 | nami | and 'PrintMotd' is not working so |
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| 17:38.20 | ompaul | nami: did you restart sshd after you set that to no? |
| 17:38.24 | ompaul | or was it set to no |
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| 17:38.29 | nami | it's no by default |
| 17:38.38 | ompaul | so it's no working |
| 17:38.57 | ompaul | bug file time |
| 17:39.02 | jhutchins | Xtoph: lspci -nn should have a line about a VGA compatible adapter - it would be interesting to know if the device is recognized. Otherwise, the -nn will yeild the pci id which is useful in tracking down drivers. |
| 17:39.34 | nami | maybe this: pam.d/login:session optional pam_motd.so |
| 17:39.39 | nami | it's default in pam |
| 17:40.09 | PercyB | $PKG_CONFIG --exists --print-errors "Qt5Core Qt5Gui Qt5Widgets Qt5Script" Package Qt5Script was not found in the pkg-config search path - just a short question: How do I solve this issue? Looks like package qtscript is missing |
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| 17:40.41 | PercyB | ./configure shows that qt5 is not found |
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| 17:40.59 | jhutchins | nami: You might try the "banner" option in sshd_config |
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| 17:41.31 | Xtoph | jhutchins: the VGA compatible controller is "Intel Corporation Broadwell-U Integrated Graphics [8086:1616] (rev 09)" |
| 17:41.52 | jhutchins | ,pciid 8086:1616 |
| 17:41.53 | judd | [8086:1616] is 'Broadwell-U Integrated Graphics' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:1616 |
| 17:41.59 | ompaul | nami: so you are back to doing cat /dev/null > /etc/motd because of pam? |
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| 17:42.30 | jhutchins | Xtoph: Ok, that confirms that there's no chip-specific driver in Debian... |
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| 17:43.47 | Xtoph | jhutchins: does that mean that forcing xorg to use the intel driver (i915) doesn't help |
| 17:44.14 | jhutchins | Checking into that. |
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| 17:45.38 | jhutchins | Xtoph: Looks like it needs the i915 kernel module as well. |
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| 17:48.03 | Xtoph | jhutchins: can that be found in the repositories? |
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| 17:49.07 | nami | jhutchins: it's different kind of banner. is related to ssh internal messages not shell/user |
| 17:49.07 | jhutchins | Xtoph: Should be installed with the kernel. |
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| 17:50.27 | shay_shay | i noticed it said [ 3.048] (WW) intel(0): Unknown chipset |
| 17:51.01 | jhutchins | nami: I'd have to play around with the config file, but yes it's possible to turn off the greeting messages in sshd. |
| 17:51.09 | Xtoph | jhutchins: it seems to be loaded. "kmod list" shows it |
| 17:51.47 | jhutchins | ,kernels |
| 17:51.48 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.19.0-trunk-686-pae (3.19.3-1~exp1); sid: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt9-1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt7-1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt7-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.65-1+deb7u2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.65-1+deb7u2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze6) |
| 17:52.22 | jhutchins | 3.16 should support it, perhaps not well. |
| 17:52.41 | Roberth1990 | not well is better than nothing |
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| 17:53.15 | nami | doing that on /etc/pam.d/sshd work: https://paste.debian.net/plain/166415 not sure if it is a good idea |
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| 17:53.25 | shay_shay | maybe the kernel in experimental will help? |
| 17:53.44 | shay_shay | i had to compile a vanilla 4.0 kernel for my laptop for certain things |
| 17:54.12 | shay_shay | using make olddefconfig |
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| 17:55.20 | Roberth1990 | maybe try the backported first |
| 17:55.25 | jhutchins | Xtoph: Not having much luck finding solutions for you - lots of additional problems though. |
| 17:55.38 | jhutchins | Xtoph: What does xrandr say (paste.debian.org). |
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| 17:55.53 | shay_shay | Roberth1990: hes already up to the "backported" kernel. its jessie |
| 17:56.09 | Roberth1990 | ah, well then he is in the wrong irc channel |
| 17:56.15 | shay_shay | indeed |
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| 17:57.13 | whzOTHR | can anyone name a U.S. distributor where Wheezy DVDs (i386) are known to be available ? |
| 17:57.35 | jhutchins | Xtoph: What they mean is there is better support for jessie in #debian-next on oftc.net |
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| 17:57.46 | jhutchins | Xtoph: You might just need to wait for the 3.19 kernel. |
| 17:58.23 | dyjac | whzOTHR: linuxcollections.com has them IIRC |
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| 17:58.54 | whzOTHR | ah nice... I'll try there... thanks (whats IIRC ?) |
| 17:59.05 | shay_shay | if i recall correctly |
| 17:59.07 | Xtoph | jhutchins: xrandr: https://paste.debian.net/166417/ |
| 17:59.08 | shay_shay | xD |
| 17:59.11 | whzOTHR | ah ha :) |
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| 17:59.55 | Xtoph | jhutchins: that sounds good. do you know when 3.19 will be released by any chance? |
| 17:59.56 | onur | hi. how can I add bootia32.efi file to debian installer iso? or how can I create my own iso? |
| 17:59.59 | dyjac | The Debian site has a list of the vendors, actually https://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/#us |
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| 18:02.14 | Rust3dCor3 | whzOTHR: dyjac wrote about the list of vendors in us (he gave a link: https://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/#us) |
| 18:02.55 | whzOTHR | Rust3dCor3 yep... I was at the site when you beeped :) |
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| 18:03.52 | whzOTHR | oic thanks dyjac |
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| 18:04.13 | dyjac | no problem |
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| 18:08.15 | jhutchins | Xtoph: Actually, it looks like you have the support of the driver, just not the acceleration. |
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| 18:10.24 | jhutchins | ,v xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 18:10.25 | judd | Package: xserver-xorg-video-intel on i386 -- squeeze: 2:2.13.0-7; squeeze-backports: 2:2.15.0-3~bpo60+2; wheezy: 2:2.19.0-6; wheezy-backports: 2:2.21.15-2~bpo70+1; sid: 2:2.21.15-2+b2; jessie: 2:2.21.15-2+b2; experimental: 2:2.99.917-1~exp1 |
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| 18:11.12 | jhutchins | Xtoph: It appears you need v. 2.99.907 of that driver. |
| 18:11.34 | Roberth1990 | it works horribly with jessie |
| 18:12.13 | jhutchins | Xtoph: It was released by xorg in December of 2013 - not sure why it hasn't made it to Debian yet - might be too buggy. |
| 18:12.29 | Roberth1990 | jhutchins: its too buggy in debian specificly |
| 18:12.43 | jhutchins | Roberth1990: It's not IN Debian. |
| 18:13.01 | Roberth1990 | jhutchins: it is, it is in experimental thats a part of debian |
| 18:13.07 | jhutchins | Xtoph: You might be able to backport it, but usually that runs into a dependency mess with xorg. |
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| 18:13.10 | Xtoph | jhutchins: it seems that now i have 2:2.21.15-2+b2 |
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| 18:13.30 | Roberth1990 | jhutchins: if you backport it there is no dependency problems |
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| 18:13.31 | jhutchins | Roberth1990: Ah, I see it is, I'm used to experimental being first. |
| 18:13.48 | Roberth1990 | by that I mean backport by compiling it |
| 18:14.05 | jhutchins | Xtoph: You might discuss that with Roberth1990, he does seem to have some knowledge of it. |
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| 18:14.28 | Roberth1990 | well I backported it, compiled it for jessie, it went fine |
| 18:14.31 | Roberth1990 | installed it |
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| 18:14.46 | Roberth1990 | but there was a lot of graphical corruption in kde here with it |
| 18:15.01 | Roberth1990 | and I tried to disable some animations in kde |
| 18:15.02 | eugenmayer | hello. What would you choose to support https over a proxy? |
| 18:15.06 | Roberth1990 | and it broke the system |
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| 18:15.38 | shay_shay | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:15.44 | whzOTHR | I would choose #html maybe ? |
| 18:15.44 | shay_shay | oh |
| 18:15.51 | shay_shay | shit... sorry thats from sid |
| 18:16.06 | Roberth1990 | jessie can build it!!! |
| 18:16.12 | abrotman | should hope so |
| 18:16.22 | shay_shay | i'm sure |
| 18:16.23 | damiox_ | hi I'm installing a new debian system on a Notebook with only a 250GB SSD. I've been installing my previous systems with LVM to only control the free disk space and extend partitions on demand. I'm wondering if that would be still good with an SSD. I've read about issues with TRIM and stuff related to SSD. Not sure if I'd be better just avoiding LVM and putting a 250GB partition on /. Any thoughtS? |
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| 18:17.06 | jelly | eugenmayer: probably squid3 |
| 18:17.16 | Xtoph | Roberth1990: i might try that as soon as i have some time to compile it |
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| 18:17.38 | Roberth1990 | Xtoph: https://wiki.debian.org/SimpleBackportCreation |
| 18:17.42 | eugenmayer | jelly: iam using squid3 with compiled SSL support ( using wheezy-packports source with âenable-ssl ..) but i cant get it working |
| 18:17.43 | Roberth1990 | here is how you do it |
| 18:17.56 | Roberth1990 | Xtoph: but be aware it could break your systemd |
| 18:17.58 | Roberth1990 | *system |
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| 18:18.32 | jelly | eugenmayer: what fails? https via CONNECT works by default, without having to rebuild anything |
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| 18:18.55 | Xtoph | Roberth1990: ok. thanks for your help |
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| 18:19.54 | shay_shay | damiox_: see lvm.conf: https://wiki.debian.org/SSDOptimization |
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| 18:20.51 | mac-user | so... I've a weird mac related question |
| 18:20.55 | mac-user | any mac users online? |
| 18:21.10 | shay_shay | mac-user: I have a lot of experience installing debian on macs |
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| 18:21.12 | shay_shay | I can try |
| 18:21.15 | eugenmayer | jelly: well PECL does not work. pecl.php.net is only https, and that fails with http://pastie.org/private/hglzuegarjpaudx55yuzdq ⦠since they use fsocketopen with ssl:// then |
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| 18:22.09 | eugenmayer | jelly: on squid3 side ( 3.4 ) i see http://pastie.org/private/sq53qyat6jdouuj2cxnqqg |
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| 18:22.33 | mac-user | shay_shay: thanks! so I had this debian installation on a usb stick. and it worked for a while. until I decided to remove gnome |
| 18:22.48 | jelly | eugenmayer: did you consider the possibility it might be completely broken and generating bad requests as suggested in the log? It's php after all. |
| 18:22.50 | mac-user | shay_shay: it was still working but just with a shell |
| 18:23.09 | mac-user | shay_shay: until today, when I tried to boot it and it's not showing on the boot menu |
| 18:23.25 | eugenmayer | jelly: iam using using a 2 liner php test script - fsocket fails |
| 18:23.37 | eugenmayer | jelly: thats my squid3 config: http://pastie.org/private/qgm1hv1bse7dcvpk2ch1ra |
| 18:23.45 | jelly | eugenmayer: use a browser or wget or curl. |
| 18:23.49 | mac-user | shay_shay: so i guess my question is: how do I debug boot process on a mac? |
| 18:24.00 | eugenmayer | jelly: wget with configured https_proxy? |
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| 18:24.34 | jelly | eugenmayer: yes |
| 18:24.36 | shay_shay | mac-user: was the USB stick using grub installed to it's MBR? |
| 18:24.50 | mac-user | shay_shay: yes |
| 18:25.06 | eugenmayer | jelly: did so, set https_proxy=https://10.66.0.1:3128 - does not work ( cert issues ) |
| 18:26.05 | jelly | fix your cert issues. |
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| 18:26.30 | jelly | eugenmayer: wait wait. |
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| 18:27.28 | jelly | eugenmayer: you probably wanted https_proxy=http://10.66.0.1:3128, or did you configure squid for access via https exclusively on the default port? |
| 18:27.31 | eugenmayer | jelly: iam not sure, iam doing it right though. Using Firefox configured this way http://goo.gl/rPj5AZ it seems to work. but i guess a fsocketopen is a socket, so rather a SOCKS access? |
| 18:27.31 | shay_shay | mac-user: are you chain loading from rEFInd? if not, install it and see if your thumb drive shows up. It's hard to say why it would suddenly stop working without more facts.. anything could have happened, e.g. your MBR got wiped somehow |
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| 18:28.03 | eugenmayer | jelly: not sure how to answer your question, thats my squid configuration http://pastie.org/private/qgm1hv1bse7dcvpk2ch1ra |
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| 18:28.22 | mac-user | shay_shay: no I'm not using any of those ugly boot loaders. good idea that installing them might help |
| 18:28.23 | jelly | eugenmayer: http_port 3128 |
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| 18:28.40 | shay_shay | mac-user: I like to boot on my macs like this (without any of those ugly bootloaders) http://glandium.org/blog/?p=2830 |
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| 18:30.04 | eugenmayer | jelly: iam not sure i can follow you, but iam trying :) |
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| 18:30.20 | damiox_ | shay_shay, so after reading this... I believe I understand the following: in theory if I put that config into lvm.conf my SSD would be OK |
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| 18:31.57 | jelly | eugenmayer: squid is configured to take http requests on port 3128. |
| 18:32.32 | eugenmayer | jelly: yes. But iam not sure about what you are implicating now (just confused). Maybe you could explain? |
| 18:33.03 | jelly | eugenmayer: means export https_proxy=https://10.66.0.1:3128 is not correct, use https_proxy=http://10.66.0.1:3128 |
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| 18:33.52 | eugenmayer | jelly: using this, wget works for https://pecl.php.net .. but $fp = fsockopen("ssl://pecl.php.net", "443", $errno, $errstr, 15); still fails with connection refused |
| 18:34.32 | jelly | eugenmayer: so your proxy works. I know very little about php and can't help with that. |
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| 18:35.07 | abrotman | eugenmayer: if you use wget from the command line, same issue? |
| 18:35.11 | eugenmayer | jelly: iam not sure if that is just a different access, socket rather maybe. Just got confused |
| 18:35.31 | eugenmayer | abrotman: no, iam able to access https://pecl.php.net |
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| 18:35.43 | abrotman | eugenmayer: seems like maybe you'd want to ask ##php then |
| 18:36.06 | shay_shay | damiox_: yes, the only thing I am not sure of is if manual fstrim will work through it. I like to use a cron job of fstrim instead of discard because discard reduces performance when deleting |
| 18:36.40 | jelly | eugenmayer: using a http proxy to reach https:// URLs requires a completely different connection approach from the application. It sounds as if your app does not every try to use the proxy at all |
| 18:36.50 | jelly | not even* try |
| 18:36.58 | eugenmayer | abrotman: well, i dont want to missuse the channel, iam in there also. Just if i dont use a proxy, it works. And the code for this fsocketopen in PEAR/REST.PHP did not change since 2005 .. iam not sure wheather this issue came up with a PHP update ( recent ) or when i ported from squeeze to wheeze and upgraded squid3 |
| 18:37.16 | damiox_ | shay_shay, don't you use LVM in your SSD install? |
| 18:37.29 | shay_shay | i use btrfs |
| 18:37.35 | eugenmayer | jelly: its not an app at all, its a tool to install PHP modules in the server, like cpan |
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| 18:37.56 | jelly | eugenmayer: tool, app, semantics |
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| 18:38.59 | eugenmayer | jelly: abrotman the question is, what changed. PHP upgrade ( fsockopen bug? ), squid3 server missconfiguration due to an upgrade or even, pecl.php.net moved from http to https recently. when i use fsockopen with ssl:// it will work flawlessly.. |
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| 18:39.16 | jelly | eugenmayer: if wget works with it, the proxy is fine |
| 18:39.26 | eugenmayer | jelly: i just wanted to state its not some custom code. just to clarify |
| 18:39.39 | eugenmayer | jelly: i understand |
| 18:40.13 | jelly | I bet it's php. :-) |
| 18:40.57 | jelly | (either you're not telling it to use the proxy correctly, or this verision is buggy) |
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| 18:42.06 | eugenmayer | jelly: well its using the proxy, but to even simplify that, iam just ⦠$fp = fsockopen("ssl://10.66.0.1", "3128", $errno, $errstr, 15); |
| 18:42.09 | eugenmayer | this fails. |
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| 18:42.48 | eugenmayer | If its a PHP issue, iam searching there for sure, not going to waste time. I was just trying to get an idea. SO you suggest rather php then squid3 missconfiguration? |
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| 18:44.21 | damiox_ | shay_shay, if I don't use LVM, ssd should work out-of-the-box , correct? |
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| 18:46.32 | shay_shay | damiox_: it depends, most SSDs these days have built in over provisioning and garbage collection, and can be used just like normal disks. that doesnt mean you cant optimize it a little but it does mean you dont *have* to. I would at least set "vm.swappiness = 10" in /etc/sysctl.conf (no quotes) |
| 18:46.34 | jelly | eugenmayer: of course it fails |
| 18:47.07 | eugenmayer | jelly: of course? |
| 18:47.14 | jelly | eugenmayer: it looks as if you're trying to open an SSL connection to your proxy, instead of USING the proxy to open an SSL connection to somwhere else |
| 18:47.26 | shay_shay | damiox_: that changes the behavior of linux kernel so it only uses swap when ram is 90% full |
| 18:48.21 | damiox_ | shay_shay, got it. Sorry to ask you this but... do you think it's worth it to have only SSD+LVM ? |
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| 18:48.29 | eugenmayer | jelly: i get you, but then, this https://github.com/pear/pear-core/blob/stable/PEAR/REST.php#L358 is just stupid. They use ssl://proxy if the dest URL uses https:// |
| 18:48.46 | jelly | eugenmayer: I can't comment on php code. |
| 18:49.06 | shay_shay | damiox_: i'm the wrong person to ask because I don't use LVM at all :P I use btrfs which is a filesystem and a volume manager combined |
| 18:49.52 | damiox_ | I'm so noob that it's the first time I heard about btrfs |
| 18:49.57 | jelly | eugenmayer: it's possible the code assumes you'll be using a proxy accessible _via_ https to connect to https sites, which is silly |
| 18:50.18 | eugenmayer | jelly: just what there is is, if destination URL ( PECL channel, like apt-repo ) is https://, use ssl://proxy, otherwise use proxy⦠combining what you said is, that it is not needed to talk ssl to the proxy, to proxy a https requests .. its only neeed if the connection to the proxy server itself needs to get encrypted |
| 18:50.32 | jelly | eugenmayer: indeed. |
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| 18:51.24 | eugenmayer | jelly: ok now i got you and now i see what happen. Fixing that shitty code on all my severs could be harder. Is there a simple qway to get ssl |
| 18:51.33 | jelly | talking to a proxy is done via http. Using it to access https:// sites is done via http CONNECT command, which is pretty much like "telnet" |
| 18:51.33 | eugenmayer | working on squid3, or is even harder? |
| 18:52.06 | jelly | eugenmayer: it looks your squid proxy might be configured to accept https://...:3130/ |
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| 18:52.47 | eugenmayer | well i tried that yesterday..but the request takes ages and explodes in the end, with a big fat warning / and or a server outage ( OOM ) |
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| 18:55.14 | jelly | eugenmayer: then fix your tool to actually use CONNECT like all the normal apps have used http proxies to do ssl http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_tunnel#HTTP_CONNECT_tunneling |
| 18:55.31 | AvocetVIS | http://serverbear.com/benchmark/2015/04/12/7sSkItsM01tmKCIW bleh, kinda expected a little more from my $28 a month lol |
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| 18:55.51 | marus | hello, ifconfig return only ipv6 address |
| 18:55.58 | marus | how can i see my ipv4 address |
| 18:56.00 | eugenmayer | jelly: so basically, fixing that PEAR code. i guess i would rebuild the package then for now. apt-get source php-pear // patch and so forth, i guess |
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| 18:56.16 | shay_shay | damiox_: but if your filesystem supports trim and it is on bare metal (not separated from the SSD by lvm) then you can use a fstrim cron job, once or twice a week is fine. the longer you go between trims the longer it will take. your computer might hang a little while its happening so the idea is to schedule it when you are likely to not be sitting at it |
| 18:56.31 | abrotman | marus: ifconfig |
| 18:56.50 | jelly | eugenmayer: or file a bug report (after checking it's not already there) |
| 18:57.07 | frostschutz | shay_shay, trim works fine through lvm |
| 18:57.11 | eugenmayer | jelly: its not there, checked before even asking here. I found this a long before we talked |
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| 18:57.49 | marus | abrotman: read the question befor answer |
| 18:57.52 | jelly | eugenmayer: hard to believe noone is accessing https:// sites from php via a normal http proxy |
| 18:57.59 | damiox_ | frostschutz, does fstrim work on lvm ? |
| 18:58.42 | abrotman | marus: I did, it's still the correct answer |
| 18:58.56 | abrotman | marus: Perhaps you'd like to ask why you don't have an IPv4 address configured? |
| 18:58.59 | eugenmayer | jelly: now you have to differ. The code we looked at is PEAR, which is used to fetch php extensions and compile them, like PECL extensions. The logic with if https then ssl is inside thereâ¦and it might just be that pecl.php.net switched to https just recently, and this code just kicks in now |
| 18:59.08 | shay_shay | damiox_: it appears it does, frostschutz is correct |
| 18:59.10 | frostschutz | damiox_, pretty much all layers support trim by now. with crypt/luks you have to explicetely enable it |
| 18:59.23 | eugenmayer | jelly: and, in addition, its an proxy-config issue only. Only people with proxies will run into this |
| 18:59.45 | damiox_ | thank you both guys , I will give it a try then with SSD+LVM |
| 19:00.00 | marus | abrotman: thanks but you anwser doesn't help |
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| 19:00.02 | marus | have a nice day |
| 19:00.44 | abrotman | marus: you show your IPv4 and IPv6 address with ifconfig *if* they are configured correctly. |
| 19:01.33 | abrotman | marus: you can also use 'ip addr show', which will also show IPv4 and IPv6 addresses *if* they are configured correctly |
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| 19:09.27 | Dagger2 | ifconfig will only show one v4 address per interface, mind |
| 19:09.59 | Dagger2 | (unless you've given the addresses labels, in which case they'll show up as virtual interfaces) |
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| 19:13.14 | asterismo | hi, testing repos shpould say "testing" everywhere instead of wheezy? or jessie instead of wheezy? |
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| 19:15.50 | jelly | asterismo: use "jessie" so that you don't be surprised when new testing is introduced |
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| 19:25.03 | abnegate | can anyone recommend a program that will monitor my clipboard and if it sees a youtube URL in it, it'll automatically download it using youtubedl to a directory of my choice? |
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| 19:26.24 | teraflop | abnegate: not a program, just do a little script i do that with xclip |
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| 19:27.57 | abnegate | yeah, i could write a script |
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| 19:28.07 | abnegate | don't want to fork a process every second, though |
| 19:28.19 | abnegate | thought there might be a more elegant solution already written out there somewhere |
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| 19:28.46 | teraflop | abnegate: it's so simple `URL=$(xclip -o); mpv $URL` something like that |
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| 19:29.36 | abnegate | i know it's simple (though i also want to grep for https://youtube.com in there first) |
| 19:29.43 | abnegate | but that's not the issue |
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| 19:30.09 | abnegate | like i said, i don't want to fork a process every second just to monitor my clipboard |
| 19:30.16 | teraflop | abnegate: you do not need to parsy anyting if you use mpv + youtube-dl |
| 19:30.42 | teraflop | since mpv has a yt-dl hook |
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| 19:31.06 | teraflop | sorry the typos im on the phone |
| 19:31.14 | abnegate | thanks for the suggestion |
| 19:31.21 | lonelybyte | where extre-cmake-modules in debian? |
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| 19:31.55 | teraflop | abnegate: just mpv http:\\youtube.com?whatever works |
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| 19:32.22 | teraflop | abnegate: not only youtube urls by the way |
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| 19:53.05 | dalo | Anyone know of a good blogging utility that basically won't install KDE or GNOME along the way? |
| 19:53.14 | dalo | (I use Xfce and want to keep it that way) |
| 19:53.16 | piklu | blogging as if? |
| 19:53.52 | Roberth1990 | dalo: a web browser? |
| 19:54.00 | piklu | Wordpress |
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| 19:54.49 | Roberth1990 | piklu: isnt that package wordpress as the site itself? |
| 19:55.00 | dalo | Roberth1990, nah. I'm looking for a standalone program. UI if you like. |
| 19:55.33 | dalo | Think Windows Live Writer, not that I wanted to write that. |
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| 19:55.47 | piklu | dalo : You can blog from VIM + Python |
| 19:55.50 | Roberth1990 | I have never been bloggin so... |
| 19:56.06 | Roberth1990 | piklu: he probably wants a graphical one |
| 19:56.08 | dalo | piklu, cool :) |
| 19:56.12 | dalo | Yeah, a graphical one. |
| 19:56.27 | piklu | than add some UI in python |
| 19:56.33 | piklu | and let it posts blogs to the server |
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| 19:56.41 | dalo | Sure I've seen that there are terminal blogging utilities online. And sure they're cool but would I really use them? No. |
| 19:56.46 | Roberth1990 | dalo: http://www.techradar.com/news/internet/best-linux-blogging-software-8-clients-tested-924012 |
| 19:56.51 | dalo | piklu, exactly right. |
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| 19:59.19 | dalo | Hmm I might give Drivel a shot. |
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| 20:02.22 | dalo | Nope :( Won't accept my Blogger account. |
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| 20:02.58 | dalo | Or this software is too old. Sometimes I wonder why I run Debian Stable |
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| 20:04.59 | Roberth1990 | dalo: update to testing, its about to be released, its pretty stable |
| 20:05.09 | piklu | dalo - why dnt u make a server based api |
| 20:05.17 | piklu | where people can tweet and blog from command line |
| 20:05.31 | piklu | like >> tweet Blahh Blahh :) |
| 20:05.43 | dalo | Roberth1990, newer versions of stuff, huh? |
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| 20:05.59 | Roberth1990 | dalo: yes |
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| 20:21.58 | g00se | Got a curious TCP port (9999) open, despite the fact that the process that opened it (java) was killed days ago. It's now opened by inetd, which is mysterious |
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| 20:23.21 | petn-randall | g00se: That's probably how it was configured. inetd is a service that will spawn the configured process upon connection to that port. |
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| 20:25.15 | g00se | When you say 'configured', how would it know what i'm doing with java in the terminal? There'd be nothing configured as such |
| 20:27.29 | g00se | petn-randall: BUT, the only thing that IS configured is a port forwarding in my router. Is there some way that could be involved? |
| 20:28.32 | petn-randall | g00se: Ok, what do you get when you run 'netstat -npl | grep 9999'? |
| 20:28.55 | g00se | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:9999 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN - |
| 20:29.03 | petn-randall | g00se: Run that as root. |
| 20:29.39 | g00se | 1689/inetd |
| 20:30.19 | petn-randall | g00se: Check /etc/inetd.conf, it's configured to listen to that port. |
| 20:30.50 | g00se | OK. Maybe i did something in the past that i forgot about :; |
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| 20:32.53 | g00se | Gah! It's being used by approx - can't even remember doing that ... |
| 20:33.13 | g00se | Thanks. Mystery solved |
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| 20:41.57 | dalo | Night folks. |
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| 20:56.59 | AvocetVIS | I'm lost, I cannot start/restart apache because it seems to already be binding to port 80 on ipv6?? and/or ntp is using port 80 ?? >> http://paste.roguecoders.com/p/93a884466dacf4948f59d397a1ac386f.txt |
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| 20:58.47 | abrotman | AvocetVIS: fuser -n tcp 80 |
| 20:59.34 | abrotman | AvocetVIS: are yo usure it's shutting down correctly? |
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| 21:00.18 | AvocetVIS | seems to be, nothing in /var/log/apache* to indicate otherwise |
| 21:00.19 | petn-randall | AvocetVIS: Where do you see ntp? |
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| 21:01.32 | Devastator | is there a "debian right way" to install java EE and glassfish server? |
| 21:01.33 | AvocetVIS | http://paste.roguecoders.com/p/c48ddd7d1fb9244cf92621953d470a33.txt -- but when I try to access from the web end, it just waits |
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| 21:02.43 | AvocetVIS | status says it's not running.. |
| 21:03.02 | Brigo | Devastator, there are packages, at least in jessie. |
| 21:03.20 | Devastator | Brigo glassfish-javaee? |
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| 21:03.48 | Brigo | Devastator, for example, there are some more. |
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| 21:04.04 | Devastator | Brigo kind of outdated :( |
| 21:04.04 | Brigo | I have never used it,do not know what is. |
| 21:04.15 | Brigo | ,v glassfish-javaee |
| 21:04.16 | judd | Package: glassfish-javaee on i386 -- squeeze: 1:2.1.1-b31-2; wheezy: 1:2.1.1-b31g-3; jessie: 1:2.1.1-b31g+dfsg1-2; sid: 1:2.1.1-b31g+dfsg1-2 |
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| 21:04.54 | Brigo | same version in squeezy and jessie, weired :) |
| 21:05.34 | abrotman | AvocetVIS: when it's shut down, try the fuser command |
| 21:06.06 | AvocetVIS | abrotman, I figured it out, there was a formatting issue in one of the site files, thank you |
| 21:06.12 | Devastator | yes, seems like this package is not being maintained |
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| 21:08.27 | abrotman | AvocetVIS: I didn't help a bit :) |
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| 21:15.16 | jasabella | what's the difference between the rescue and standard live images? |
| 21:15.33 | abrotman | what rescue image? |
| 21:16.01 | Devastator | there is a image with -rescue tag |
| 21:16.10 | abrotman | a live image? or regular image? |
| 21:16.21 | Devastator | regular |
| 21:16.29 | abrotman | oh, he said live .. duh |
| 21:17.17 | Devastator | actually live |
| 21:17.25 | jasabella | . o o ( mental note: dont do dist-upgrade on a live usb stick ) |
| 21:18.40 | Devastator | I'm gonna ask this again as I don't want to screw with package management, is there a "debian method" to install java EE and glassfish server or downloading and extracting the zips is fine? |
| 21:18.46 | petn-randall | jasabella: The live images usually have a full blown DE on them, whereas the rescue images usually have maintenance tools on them to fix up the system. |
| 21:19.32 | centrx | Devastator, Use the package manager... |
| 21:19.47 | jasabella | i dont want a DE :) |
| 21:20.00 | Devastator | centrx sure, but the packages doesn't seem available |
| 21:20.04 | jasabella | i'll installmy own WM after boot |
| 21:20.22 | centrx | Devastator, https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=glassfish |
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| 21:21.03 | Devastator | centrx it's outdated and doesn't contain the sdk |
| 21:22.02 | SynrGy | jasabella: standard has roughtly what you would have if you only selected the 'standard' task during a debian install. that is, a base system with packages of 'important' or 'standard' priority. |
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| 21:22.18 | SynrGy | jasabella: rescue contains a number of tools used to rescue broken systems, do forensics, that sort of thing |
| 21:22.49 | sailcat | jasabella, if you don't want a de, i've found that the -standard iso is perfect. you might want to use ethernet rather than wifi when installing, so network is working after the install. |
| 21:22.51 | Devastator | here: This package ships only the Java EE 5 Reference Implementation components of GlassFish. |
| 21:23.06 | SynrGy | roughly* |
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| 21:27.21 | Devastator | I guess I will receive the same answer in oftc.. hehe |
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| 21:35.55 | jasabella | now to decide between compiz and enlightenment :) |
| 21:36.13 | abrotman | compiz is dead upstream |
| 21:36.16 | teraflop | ^ |
| 21:37.24 | Roberth1990 | kwinmasterrace |
| 21:37.33 | jasabella | oh |
| 21:37.54 | jasabella | openbox too right? |
| 21:38.17 | Roberth1990 | jasabella: he wants more than just shadows |
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| 21:44.27 | jasabella | maybe i should have deleted the partitions on my usb stick first hmmm |
| 21:45.27 | Roberth1990 | jasabella: to do what? |
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| 21:46.09 | jasabella | writing the live iso onto a usb tick using win32 image writr |
| 21:46.33 | dvs | jasabella: win32diskimager will overwrite everything on the stick |
| 21:47.26 | jasabella | but then again you cant delete partitions if you're booted off one :D |
| 21:47.43 | jasabella | dvs... the whole stick of just the partition that windows can see? |
| 21:47.53 | jasabella | or just* |
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| 21:48.04 | dvs | the whole stick |
| 21:48.12 | jasabella | the partition that windows can see is mounted as a drive |
| 21:48.13 | jasabella | hmmm |
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| 21:48.32 | jasabella | and im writing to that drive |
| 21:48.34 | jasabella | but ok |
| 21:48.48 | SynrG | then you're doing it wrong |
| 21:48.53 | iWaldo_ | i've --extract'ed the .run for the latest amd drivers to /fglrx, and the only directories listed in /fglrx/packages/Debian/dists are /etch, /experimental, /lenny, and /sid |
| 21:48.55 | dvs | ^ |
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| 21:49.00 | iWaldo_ | i'm running jessie |
| 21:49.05 | iWaldo_ | any advice? |
| 21:49.47 | SynrG | iWaldo_: yeah, don't use that |
| 21:49.54 | SynrG | ,v fglrx-driver |
| 21:49.56 | judd | Package: fglrx-driver on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 1:10-9-3squeeze1; wheezy/non-free: 1:12-6+point-3; wheezy-backports/non-free: 1:14.9+ga14.201-2~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 1:14.9+ga14.201-2; sid/non-free: 1:14.9+ga14.201-2; experimental/non-free: 1:14.12-1 |
| 21:50.12 | SynrG | iWaldo_: if your goal is to install a more recent fglrx on wheezy, use wheezy-backports version |
| 21:50.13 | iWaldo_ | synrG: i want to use the lastest version as i'm trying to install it on a headless server to use openCL without X |
| 21:50.26 | iWaldo_ | 14.12 dropped X as a dependency |
| 21:50.41 | SynrG | then backport your own |
| 21:50.50 | iWaldo_ | ooh, how do i learn to do that? |
| 21:50.54 | SynrG | !ssb |
| 21:50.54 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 21:51.06 | SynrG | only of course, use the version in experimental |
| 21:51.44 | iWaldo_ | i'm not an absolute novice, but i've never done this sort of thing before. i'll see what i can dig up on my own, but i'll come back if i get stuck |
| 21:51.46 | iWaldo_ | thanks m8 |
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| 21:52.35 | m8 | iWaldo_, :) |
| 21:52.43 | iWaldo_ | err... well played! |
| 21:57.44 | SynrGy | iWaldo_: experimental stuff may have dependencies in sid |
| 21:58.01 | SynrGy | ,checkbackport fglrx-driver |
| 21:58.02 | judd | Backporting package fglrx-driver in sidâwheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy. |
| 21:58.11 | SynrGy | nice. in this case, not |
| 21:58.54 | iWaldo_ | is jessie considered sid at this point? thought it was testing |
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| 21:59.51 | Roberth1990 | no |
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| 22:00.51 | SynrGy | sid is never released and as always unstable. |
| 22:00.54 | SynrGy | is* |
| 22:01.07 | SynrGy | jessie is testing. wheezy is stable. |
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