| 00:00.43 | pwk | abrotman: an interesting question. I thought I did not, and removed it (when I was initially updating to this kernel), but right now my wlan is not working, so I am backtracing |
| 00:01.29 | pwk | abrotman: my wlan card is reported as "Network controller: Intel Corporation Wireless 7265 (rev 59)" by lspci - can you tell me if I need ndiswrapper for it? |
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| 00:02.25 | Miesco | Hi, I am using Jessie, and I get an error with bluetooth when I do /etc/init.d/bluetooth status: bluetoothd[20430]: Sap driver initialization failed. |
| 00:03.13 | abrotman | pwk: lspci -nn |
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| 00:04.05 | pwk | abrotman: 04:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Wireless 7265 [8086:095b] (rev 59) |
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| 00:04.22 | Cullz | Miesco: Are you using Gnome or other? |
| 00:04.27 | Miesco | Cullz: other |
| 00:04.30 | abrotman | pwk: and which versoin of Debian? |
| 00:04.34 | Miesco | Can you get bluez 4 in Jessie? |
| 00:04.43 | Cullz | Miesco: uh, which |
| 00:04.54 | Miesco | Cullz: Which what |
| 00:04.58 | abrotman | pwk: I don't see a driver in wheezy |
| 00:05.14 | pwk | abrotman: again an interesting question :). I am on Linux Mint Debian Edition...not quite sure which debian version that results in |
| 00:05.28 | abrotman | pwk: neither am i, not supported here. |
| 00:05.37 | Cullz | Miesco: which desktop environment.. is bluez for lxde? |
| 00:05.45 | Miesco | Cullz: dwm |
| 00:05.47 | econdudeawesome | so things are uninstalling now. Turns out it really was just a conflict between libxrender1:i386 and libxrender for amd64 |
| 00:06.12 | abrotman | pwk: you'll have to ask them .. but 'modinfo iwlwifi | grpe 95b' will tell you if your kernel has a native driver .. good luck |
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| 00:07.51 | pwk | abrotman: that grep does not give me any output :( |
| 00:08.08 | abrotman | pwk: okay, then ask the channel for your distro |
| 00:08.13 | abrotman | dpkg: tell pwk about lmde |
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| 00:09.04 | pwk | abrotman: I will try, thank you :) |
| 00:10.25 | Miesco | How do I downgrade bluez to bluez 4? |
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| 00:11.34 | dvs | ,v bluez |
| 00:11.36 | judd | Package: bluez on i386 -- squeeze: 4.66-3; wheezy: 4.99-2; jessie: 5.23-2+b1; sid: 5.23-2+b1 |
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| 00:49.07 | Miesco | I killed pulseaudio and restarted, now I get: Failed to create secure directory (/run/user/1000/pulse): Permission denied |
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| 00:51.20 | danobi | Restart your machine or the process? |
| 00:51.25 | maazu | hi all |
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| 00:52.12 | danobi | Miesco: let me clarify: did you restart your machine or did you restart the pulseaudio process? |
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| 00:52.48 | Miesco | Wait I fixed it |
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| 01:03.09 | maazu | g'bye |
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| 01:19.00 | roundcirle | hey |
| 01:19.19 | roundcirle | how do I add the backport for the transmission daemon only? |
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| 01:19.51 | somiaj | wheezy-backports is pinned very low, the effect of this is only software you want to install from wheezy-backports is installed and you have to explicity tell your system to install it |
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| 01:20.19 | somiaj | thus adding it to your souces.list will not effect upgrades (unless you explicity install something from wheezy-backports, then that thing will be upgraded via backports if a new backport is available) |
| 01:20.51 | roundcirle | somiaj: i just want an updated transmission daemon |
| 01:20.52 | somiaj | roundcirle: so in essence, no need to have a repo with just what you need from backports in it, as you only install from backports what you want. Nothing more will sneak in. |
| 01:21.12 | somiaj | roundcirle: oh so your real question is, is there a newer backport of transmission daemon. |
| 01:21.16 | somiaj | ,v transmission |
| 01:21.17 | judd | Package: transmission on i386 -- squeeze: 2.03-2; wheezy-security: 2.52-3+nmu2; wheezy: 2.52-3+nmu2; sid: 2.82-1.1; sid: 2.84-0.2; jessie: 2.84-0.2; experimental: 2.84-1 |
| 01:21.27 | somiaj | ,check-backport transmission |
| 01:21.28 | judd | Backporting package transmission in sidâwheezy/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libminiupnpc-dev (>= 1.9). |
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| 01:21.51 | somiaj | roundcirle: looks like you will have to make one yourself, and it looks like you may ahve to backporta few libs with it. |
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| 01:22.13 | somiaj | roundcirle: the other choice is just compile the upstream source and make a /usr/local install. |
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| 01:22.46 | roundcirle | somiaj: well on a certain ubuntu machine runs transmission 2.84 and I really would like to have some of the features |
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| 01:22.49 | roundcirle | :D |
| 01:23.04 | roundcirle | but my own is quite unsatisfying |
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| 01:23.42 | roundcirle | somiaj: well i would not mind backport transmission and some libs |
| 01:23.49 | somiaj | roundcirle: and the answer to your question is debian doens't provide a backport. You can make your own would be my best advise. |
| 01:23.55 | somiaj | !tell roundcirle about ssb |
| 01:24.15 | somiaj | roundcirle: might take a bit to find all the libs you need, but read that factoid. |
| 01:24.42 | roundcirle | woah |
| 01:24.57 | roundcirle | this is way to much for my head right now ^^ |
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| 01:25.33 | Joseph- | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:27.22 | somiaj | Joseph-: you won't connect via a tty, you get assigned a pty. Why do you want a paticular one? |
| 01:27.42 | somiaj | Joseph-: if you want to be able to access a shell (session) that you were using earlier, use screen or tmux and run your sessions there. |
| 01:28.11 | Joseph- | well yea, once i connect to it, it gives me random pts/tty number. |
| 01:28.26 | Joseph- | I would like to know if it's possible to get a specific number before connecting. |
| 01:28.44 | Joseph- | unless I will keep reconnect and get the tty # that I wanted. |
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| 01:28.49 | somiaj | Joseph-: I don't think so, pttys are assigned as they are needed I belive. |
| 01:29.14 | Joseph- | so there's no possible to nominate specific tty for my connection before connecting? |
| 01:29.55 | roundcirle | somiaj: please give me some step for step, im too tired to get it in my head right now ^^ |
| 01:30.19 | somiaj | roundcirle: read that factoid, it gives you step by step. |
| 01:30.35 | somiaj | Joseph-: I smell an X-Y problem, why do you want to set the pty of your login? What if that pty is already in use then what? |
| 01:30.50 | roundcirle | somiaj: no clue |
| 01:30.56 | roundcirle | somiaj: good night :) |
| 01:31.02 | roundcirle | good night #debian |
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| 01:32.06 | Joseph- | /dev/pts/3 at the moment, I want to connect again but using diff. tty like 9 or something. |
| 01:33.04 | somiaj | Joseph-: again why do you want that number to chage? What effect is it going to have to be using a different pty number? (I don't know a way to do this off the top of my head) |
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| 01:43.37 | srg | Is it practical to backup a laptop HDD (tons of pictures, virtual machines, code, all kinds of stuff) by just cloning the HDD to an external one using `dd` or something? |
| 01:43.54 | n0c | hey guys. the manpage for aptitude states that the 'why' command only shows direct relationships, and won't show a whole dependency tree. |
| 01:44.13 | n0c | i'm wondering if there's a commandline tool that will actually show full dependency resolution |
| 01:46.32 | buu | srg: Technically yes, but its usually simpler to just copy the stuff you want a the file level |
| 01:46.48 | buu | n0c: run aptitude multiple times/ |
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| 01:49.08 | n0c | lol. no |
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| 01:50.20 | n0c | i'll just use aptitude interactively and check reverse deps with 'r' |
| 01:50.24 | n0c | :/ |
| 01:50.35 | n0c | i'd like ti have a commandline way to dump this out |
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| 03:33.57 | Te3-BloodyIron | I'm trying to write an init script, and I'm stuck here: |
| 03:33.57 | Te3-BloodyIron | PID=`su -p -c "$DAEMON_PATH/$SCRIPT" $RUNAS & echo $!` |
| 03:34.10 | Te3-BloodyIron | it starts the process, but doesn't fork it, and the rest of the init script doesn't execute |
| 03:34.14 | Te3-BloodyIron | I'm having a real pain finding out why :( |
| 03:36.45 | gr33n7007h | Te3-BloodyIron: probably best off asking in #bash |
| 03:36.53 | Te3-BloodyIron | oh okay |
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| 04:07.56 | tomivs | Hi guys, I have a problem with Iceweasel. See this: http://tomivs.com/iceweasel-debian-bug.webm |
| 04:08.51 | tomivs | Just happen with "https://futuramo.com" |
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| 04:09.37 | centrx | Could just be a bug in iceweasel. Do you have the latest version? |
| 04:09.47 | centrx | bug in firefox |
| 04:10.28 | tomivs | I have Iceweasel 31.6.0 |
| 04:10.38 | tomivs | I use Debian Unstable |
| 04:11.04 | centrx | Is everything else upgraded to the latest versions? |
| 04:11.53 | centrx | You could try the version in experimental |
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| 04:13.25 | tomivs | centrx: This also happen to you. Try open "http://futuramo.com" and Reload the page |
| 04:13.28 | tomivs | ??? |
| 04:13.31 | somiaj | tomivs: have any way to check the issue doesn't happen in firefox (either the ers version or latest) |
| 04:13.39 | centrx | it doesn't happen in chromium |
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| 04:21.37 | Rusty1 | tomivs: start iceweasel from a terminal , see what it says when this happens |
| 04:22.06 | tomivs | Rubin: http://tomivs.com/iceweasel-debian-bug.webm >> Here is the reply |
| 04:22.14 | tomivs | Ups, err |
| 04:22.22 | tomivs | Rusty1: http://tomivs.com/iceweasel-debian-bug.webm >> Here is the reply |
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| 04:23.46 | Rusty1 | tomivs: can you show the output from a terminal that iceweasel is started in? |
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| 04:24.40 | somiaj | its on that video Rusty1 |
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| 04:25.09 | somiaj | its a Glib-CRITICAL error. |
| 04:26.41 | Rusty1 | http://paste.debian.net/166626/ what happens here |
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| 04:27.54 | tomivs | Rusty1: That's my paste |
| 04:29.07 | Rusty1 | i pasted the http://paste.debian.net/166626/ |
| 04:29.42 | Lady_Aleena | Hello. Tomorrow we are going to do some maintenance on my computer which includes removing boards not being used any more (the TV board for one) and switching out the video card (I think). How much of a hissy fit am I looking at from Debian upon reboot? |
| 04:29.52 | Rusty1 | the video doesnt contain the terminal output here |
| 04:30.50 | somiaj | Rusty1: even if you wait until after the crash, it drops to a terminal show the output for me. |
| 04:31.08 | tomivs | Rusty1: I pasted http://paste.debian.net/166627/ |
| 04:31.09 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: most likley none. |
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| 04:31.39 | Rusty1 | qupzilla didnt finish the vid, ff did |
| 04:31.40 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: unless of course you are using non-free drivers and remove the video card (say nvidia) and replace it with another say (radeon) |
| 04:31.44 | tomivs | Rusty1: At the finish |
| 04:32.00 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: but this shuld only effect X, you shoudl boot up into a console no problem. |
| 04:32.17 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, so Debian will take the removal of a board and switching of a board in its stride or ignore them? |
| 04:32.21 | Lady_Aleena | I can't remember what video card I'm using now. |
| 04:32.42 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: you could take your debian install, put it into a complete different computer (with the same arch) and boot it, and it would probabaly work. |
| 04:33.24 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: the linux kernel is very good at detecting hardware during boot and loading the correct modules. Now of course if you ahve init scripts running software that depends on certain hardware (xorg needing a paticular video card because of settings for non-free drivers), this is different. |
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| 04:34.34 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: I'm also assuming you don't have some custom kernel that only has drivers built for your hardware, but runnign the default debian kernel which has drivers built for most hardware. |
| 04:35.26 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: so removing a tv card I woudl say jsut fine, a video card, this could effect xorg but not booting. Any other cards you thinking of removing/replacing? |
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| 04:37.24 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, looks like I have a radeon board in here already. I don't know what hubby wants to put in it. |
| 04:38.00 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, no other changes as far as I know other than blowing the dust out of the interior. |
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| 04:39.05 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: as long as you are using the free drivers and don't have a fancy 'xorg.conf' file to load the fglrx drivers, your display manager should boot xorg provided you don't put some bleeding edge card in it. |
| 04:41.03 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, where would xorg.conf be? I probably have it somewhere. |
| 04:41.26 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: /etc/X11/xorg.conf and any files in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d |
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| 04:41.42 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: again if you are using non-free drivers you'll have something. If you are using free drivers there should be no such files. |
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| 04:42.08 | somiaj | since most of xorg is autodetect these days (grumbles about how young people have it easy not having to learn to write xorg.conf files) |
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| 04:44.05 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, no xorg.conf or xorg.conf.d files in /etc/X11 |
| 04:44.51 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: then even your xorg should boot back up when you are done. |
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| 04:45.49 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, I have set up hardware with jumpers before. Plug and play has really made things worse, IMO. |
| 04:45.53 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, okay, and if it doesn't can I come cry on your shoulder? ;) |
| 04:46.13 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: I'd prefer you tell me why it didn't work so we can debug it and make it work. |
| 04:46.39 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: but if tears need to be had, I won't stop you from crying. (: |
| 04:47.52 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, crying first to get rid of frustration; then when calm reason returns, debugging can begin. |
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| 04:49.05 | Lady_Aleena | Crying may include unreasonable hysterics. |
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| 04:49.57 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: no breaking things during that proces, else you will have more problems to deal with. |
| 04:50.32 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: though this best continue in -offtopic, but you'll be surprised at how nicely it will work. I only expect issues if for some reason you damage the board or more likely put in another board that is bad. |
| 04:51.01 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, I just cry, rant, rave, holler, get petulant, stubborn, etc. When that is all over, I am usually better. |
| 04:51.35 | Lady_Aleena | To #debian-offtopic I go. |
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| 05:16.40 | hiexpo | I did an update and upgrade no i have 3 broken packages libxrender1 libxrender1:i386 libxrender1-dev great |
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| 05:17.31 | somiaj | hiexpo: what version of debian do you run? |
| 05:17.38 | somiaj | hiexpo: what are the errors you get. |
| 05:17.42 | hiexpo | somiaj, 7.8 |
| 05:17.58 | somiaj | hiexpo: how about you start with the output of 'apt-cache policy' at paste.debian.net, then paste the errors you got with those broken packages |
| 05:18.20 | hiexpo | ok somiaj |
| 05:21.02 | hiexpo | somiaj, https://paste.debian.net/166629/ |
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| 05:22.21 | somiaj | okay now the output of 'apt-cache policy libxrender1' hiexpo and then the errors you get that say these packages are broken. |
| 05:23.39 | hiexpo | somiaj, https://paste.debian.net/166630/ |
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| 05:25.41 | hiexpo | somiaj, https://paste.debian.net/166631/ |
| 05:26.18 | somiaj | ahh your i386 lib is messing with thigns. last output. 'apt-cache policy libxrender1:i386' |
| 05:27.13 | hiexpo | somiaj, https://paste.debian.net/166632/ |
| 05:28.25 | hiexpo | somiaj, seems there has been a bug listed today about it but hae found no solution yet |
| 05:30.18 | somiaj | hiexpo: okay one more, 'apt-cache policy libxrender1-dev' |
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| 05:33.14 | hiexpo | somiaj, https://paste.debian.net/166633/ was libxrender-dev |
| 05:34.18 | somiaj | hiexpo: I wonder if it is now fixed, I don't see any issue in what you pasted except the installed version of libxrender1 isn't the new security version. does apt-get -f install fix it? |
| 05:35.15 | somiaj | hiexpo: https://paste.debian.net/166630/ -- this is the package, the installed version dosen't have the +b1 which is messing with things. can you just 'apt-get install libxrender1' and it works? |
| 05:35.18 | jelly | ,bug 782507 |
| 05:35.20 | judd | Sorry, the requested bug was not found. |
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| 05:36.00 | cheapie | Quick, somebody break something so we can have that bug! |
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| 05:36.11 | jelly | dpkg: dbug 782507 |
| 05:36.12 | dpkg | jelly: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 05:36.35 | hiexpo | somiaj, no -f won't fix it i tried |
| 05:36.46 | somiaj | hiexpo: https://paste.debian.net/166630/, and thank jelly |
| 05:36.59 | somiaj | hiexpo: you didn't paste me the actual error which stoped the package from installing. There is a fix in that bug. |
| 05:37.17 | somiaj | i.e. the error is not in the depends of the package, but in the package errors out when installing. That is the releveant error in this case |
| 05:37.45 | jelly | not sure why judd still can't see that bug, it's from yesterday |
| 05:38.02 | hiexpo | somiaj, what is the fix |
| 05:38.13 | jelly | http://bugs.debia.org/782507 #782507 -- libxrender1: i386/amd64 packages not co-installable |
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| 05:40.13 | somiaj | hiexpo: read the bug report. One can manually deal with it by playing with the file that is causing the issues between the packages. Or just wait for the bug to be fixed. |
| 05:40.20 | jelly | bah, bugs got merged and one workaround got lost |
| 05:40.28 | swift110-phone | Hmm |
| 05:40.39 | swift110-phone | When jessie coming |
| 05:40.40 | jelly | hiexpo: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=782505#22 the quote shows one possible workaround with --force-overwrite |
| 05:40.43 | hiexpo | somiaj, i'm doing it now thank you so much |
| 05:41.08 | jelly | !tell swift110-phone about wwjr |
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| 05:43.22 | darxmurf | hi all |
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| 05:44.59 | hiexpo | ok that fixed it thanks jelly and somiaj |
| 05:45.25 | darxmurf | Hi have a lot of dropped packet on my intel 82575EB and the server finish by downgrade the speed :-/ |
| 05:45.28 | darxmurf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:45.41 | darxmurf | I changed the network cable yesterday and same problem :-/ |
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| 05:47.25 | darxmurf | any idea when it can comes from ? |
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| 06:25.04 | k_sze[work] | Does Debian generate a log message somewhere if it loses a network connection? |
| 06:25.33 | somiaj | k_sze[work]: that would depend on how it is configured and how it lost connenction |
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| 06:25.58 | k_sze[work] | somiaj: what kind of configuration? |
| 06:26.00 | somiaj | k_sze[work]: assuming a static ip, there is no default log that will get fired if the network conenction goes down. Though programs may complian that use it. |
| 06:26.21 | somiaj | more modern tools like network-manager that keep an eye on the network might notice if something goes wonky with the gateway or the internet. |
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| 06:26.59 | somiaj | k_sze[work]: also depends on what you mean by looses connection. I'm assuming you mean something on the network goes bad as opposed to on the machien itself |
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| 06:27.21 | k_sze[work] | Yes. |
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| 06:28.06 | k_sze[work] | ethernet cable unplugged, or the switch to which the Debian machine is plugged goes crazy/shuts down. |
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| 06:28.09 | somiaj | k_sze[work]: so unless you have something checking the network and generating logs if it can't find it. There are things that do this. |
| 06:28.26 | somiaj | I can't think of any by default. |
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| 06:53.09 | colo-work | jasonwc, for the record - I scheduled a downtime today, flashed LSI's P17 release of the IT firmware for our LSI2008 HBA, and everything working fine so far 8) |
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| 07:42.36 | Roberth1990 | good job on debian to break stable |
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| 07:44.34 | EmleyMoor | They've broken stable? |
| 07:44.40 | themill | no. |
| 07:45.08 | EmleyMoor | Last check I was only 3 bugs off upgrading to jessie |
| 07:45.29 | Roberth1990 | yes if you run multiarch |
| 07:45.44 | Roberth1990 | EmleyMoor: jessie isnt stable |
| 07:45.56 | EmleyMoor | Roberth1990: I do. What's the exact nature of the breakage? And yes, I know that... |
| 07:46.14 | themill | not unless you (a) have both packages installed (b) don't bother looking at the bts for a single command workaround and (c) don't wait another few hours for the fix. |
| 07:46.16 | themill | ,bug 782507 |
| 07:46.17 | judd | Sorry, the requested bug was not found. |
| 07:46.22 | themill | bah |
| 07:46.29 | themill | EmleyMoor: #782507 |
| 07:46.32 | Roberth1990 | some packages related to xrender and libx11 |
| 07:46.58 | Roberth1990 | the problem lies in xrender |
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| 07:47.06 | themill | itym libxrender1 |
| 07:47.13 | Roberth1990 | but both that and libx11 needs to be downgraded |
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| 07:47.14 | themill | (being vague does not help) |
| 07:47.16 | themill | no |
| 07:47.24 | Roberth1990 | but this is only if you run multiarch |
| 07:47.47 | Roberth1990 | https://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg1314441.html |
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| 07:55.09 | darxmurf | is there a way to have a super verbose mode during the boot with ubuntu server ? |
| 07:55.25 | darxmurf | I have a machine which "hang" during the boot... I can ping it but not ssh |
| 07:55.34 | darxmurf | don't know what she is doing |
| 07:55.47 | Roberth1990 | darxmurf: ask in ubuntus irc channel |
| 07:56.28 | darxmurf | sounds logical :) |
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| 08:02.15 | debn00b | hi :) in windows, i can goto device manager to find a list of hardware and the drivers that have been installed for them (or if any hardware has been detected by windows and still need drivers to be installed) |
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| 08:02.37 | debn00b | how would i find out if all my hardware has been detected and have drivers loaded in debian? |
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| 08:04.03 | debn00b | lshw just tells me what hardware i have, but it doesnt tell whether a driver has been installed? |
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| 08:05.54 | Roberth1990 | debn00b: if everything is working, there isnt lacking any drivers |
| 08:06.19 | debn00b | i dont know if everything is working? :/ |
| 08:06.27 | Roberth1990 | debn00b: it is a laptop? |
| 08:06.32 | debn00b | yes |
| 08:06.37 | Roberth1990 | is wireless working? |
| 08:06.42 | debn00b | yes |
| 08:06.53 | Roberth1990 | is suspend and hibernation working? |
| 08:07.01 | debn00b | not sure |
| 08:07.05 | Roberth1990 | test it |
| 08:07.09 | Roberth1990 | ill stick around |
| 08:07.15 | debn00b | hehe |
| 08:07.19 | Roberth1990 | debn00b: but first |
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| 08:07.31 | debn00b | is hibernation a good thing to do with a ssd? wont it wear it out with writes? |
| 08:07.31 | Roberth1990 | debn00b: what graphics card does it have? |
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| 08:07.56 | Roberth1990 | debn00b: do you have a swap partition |
| 08:07.58 | Roberth1990 | ? |
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| 08:09.12 | debn00b | um not sure :D |
| 08:09.26 | Roberth1990 | run lsblk and show us the output |
| 08:09.33 | Roberth1990 | use paste.debian.net for that |
| 08:12.03 | debn00b | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/f9fb3d1d/ |
| 08:12.08 | jelly | uh, lsblk won't show the gpu |
| 08:12.34 | jelly | lshw, or lspci -nnk |
| 08:13.05 | jelly | (lspci -k also shows any kernel modules in use) |
| 08:13.10 | Roberth1990 | jelly: thats not why he is running lsblk |
| 08:13.40 | Roberth1990 | debn00b: uh are you running a livecd? |
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| 08:14.00 | debn00b | yes |
| 08:14.14 | Roberth1990 | oh well then swap is something you create during install |
| 08:14.26 | Roberth1990 | debn00b: anyway dont create swap on your ssd |
| 08:14.40 | Roberth1990 | and without swap you cant suspend or hibernate if im not wrong |
| 08:14.47 | debn00b | ok |
| 08:14.57 | Roberth1990 | debn00b: run the commands jelly is showing |
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| 08:15.20 | themill | there's no reason not to create swap on an ssd |
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| 08:15.42 | Roberth1990 | themill: yes there is |
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| 08:15.57 | themill | Oh good. I like this game with you.... |
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| 08:16.01 | Roberth1990 | themill: a swap creates a lot more write to the ssd and decreases the lifetime |
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| 08:16.09 | themill | [citation needed] |
| 08:16.15 | debn00b | i have enough ram so that swap isnt an issue though :) |
| 08:16.17 | jelly | Roberth1990: not really, if you take precautions not to swap for normal workloads |
| 08:16.36 | themill | Perhaps the recent data that shows that's not true for anything produced in the last decade would be relevant to read. |
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| 08:16.58 | jelly | Roberth1990: I killed one ssd. The second one's been working well because it's newer, and I now have enough ram |
| 08:17.35 | Roberth1990 | but does that help when running suspend to disk? |
| 08:17.37 | jelly | existence of swap, by itself, was not the cause |
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| 08:18.49 | Roberth1990 | jelly: but does reducing the use of swap cause just as little writing to the disk as no swap? |
| 08:19.17 | jelly | Roberth1990: pretty much, yes |
| 08:19.42 | themill | Except that you can actually hibernate and things don't get OOMed on you. |
| 08:20.00 | jelly | things don't get OOMd when you have enough RAM, yes |
| 08:20.04 | Roberth1990 | jelly: then a swap is useless |
| 08:20.13 | jelly | Roberth1990: except for s2d |
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| 08:21.04 | Roberth1990 | well then one with ssd on a laptop should use only suspend to ram |
| 08:21.21 | Roberth1990 | if the lifetime of the ssd matters |
| 08:21.43 | jelly | not really, suspend to disk does a large sustained write. |
| 08:22.04 | Roberth1990 | jelly: even if you suspend often? |
| 08:22.16 | themill | Like hundreds of times per second??? |
| 08:22.46 | jelly | Roberth1990: if you suspend a couple thousand times a day you might reach the limits that vendors suggests |
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| 08:23.01 | Roberth1990 | jelly: thats not what I meant |
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| 08:23.12 | jelly | that's what you implied |
| 08:23.17 | themill | Maybe what you mean is not relevant. |
| 08:23.26 | Roberth1990 | if you suspend 5 times a day for example everyday because you are on the move when working for example |
| 08:23.27 | jelly | hibernation will not kill your ssd |
| 08:23.35 | Roberth1990 | in the longer run |
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| 08:23.59 | jelly | in the longer run, that's 20-40GB or write a day which is negligible |
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| 08:24.10 | Roberth1990 | exactly |
| 08:24.22 | jelly | so suspend to disk is just fine. |
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| 08:25.26 | jelly | if you want something real to worry, the default vm.swappiness of 60 is more problematic |
| 08:25.38 | debn00b | i set that to 0 |
| 08:25.52 | debn00b | and mounted with noatime |
| 08:25.59 | debn00b | (the partitions) |
| 08:26.25 | jelly | debn00b: the default relatime is just fine, noatime doesn't buy you a lot |
| 08:26.32 | debn00b | k |
| 08:26.34 | Roberth1990 | jelly: well 20-40 gb a day of writing isnt negligible IMO |
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| 08:26.52 | themill | Roberth1990: you are welcome to your opinion, it just has no basis in fact. |
| 08:26.54 | debn00b | 20-40gb is the half the size of my usb stick heh |
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| 08:28.01 | bumbar_ | is having a signal handler (in my c++ program, signal(SIGABRT, my_handler)) preventing from creating a core dump file? |
| 08:29.03 | Roberth1990 | "Intel guarantees that the total of about 37 TB of data will be written to X25-M drives (20 GB per day for 5 years: " http://ssd-life.com/eng/how.html |
| 08:29.11 | EmleyMoor | bumbar_: It's possible. You should always make sure SIGABRT saves the core, if you write your own handler. |
| 08:29.25 | Roberth1990 | sure if you want it to last longer than 5 years it matters |
| 08:29.42 | ChrisH | bumbar_: man ulimit and disable core dumping in your startup script |
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| 08:30.48 | jelly | Roberth1990: X25-M is 3-4 _generations_ behind |
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| 08:33.11 | bumbar_ | ChrisH, i did set ulimit -c unlimited, and have added kill call to my handler which produced the core file |
| 08:33.26 | jelly | Roberth1990: 100-300TBW is a more common number, that means 14 years of 5x4GB writes every day. debn00b's laptop won't last 14 years. |
| 08:33.45 | Roberth1990 | Crucial BX100 handles 72 tb over 5 years |
| 08:34.03 | jelly | moves on |
| 08:34.06 | Roberth1990 | jelly: which one handles that? |
| 08:34.22 | ChrisH | bumbar_: you normally disable core dumps in production and enable it only while in debugging for any specific issue. |
| 08:34.28 | Roberth1990 | http://www.storagereview.com/crucial_bx100_ssd_review |
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| 08:34.38 | Roberth1990 | sorry for providing sources then... |
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| 08:35.27 | themill | As I said to you the other day, just because it's IRC doesn't mean you have to argue. None of this has actually been relevant to any support question that was asked here. |
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| 08:37.00 | Roberth1990 | themill: okay whatever... |
| 08:38.22 | Kingsy | I need to install "NSS version 3.16.2 or higher" how can I check what version I currently have? |
| 08:38.36 | jelly | Kingsy: what do you need it for? |
| 08:38.46 | Kingsy | netflix |
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| 08:39.28 | jelly | ,v libnss3 |
| 08:39.29 | judd | Package: libnss3 on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 2:3.14.5-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 2:3.14.5-1+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 2:3.14.5-1+deb7u4; wheezy-proposed-updates: 2:3.14.5-1+deb7u4; sid: 2:3.17.2-1.1; jessie: 2:3.17.2-1.1; experimental: 2:3.17.4-1 |
| 08:39.49 | jelly | Kingsy: debian 7 seems to have 3.14.5 |
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| 08:40.33 | themill | istr a newer version of that library either in wheezy-backports or on mozilla.debian.net |
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| 08:41.01 | jelly | mdn, probably, for iceweasel |
| 08:41.18 | Roberth1990 | themill: wouldnt that command jelly ran show if it is in backports? |
| 08:41.29 | themill | only if it has the same package name |
| 08:41.39 | Roberth1990 | ah okay |
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| 08:45.25 | bumbar_ | ChrisH, if i add a line to /etc/security/limits.conf, will it make it permanent without reboot? |
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| 08:45.48 | p3rror | I have a question about bonding |
| 08:45.58 | p3rror | when bonding i started the MAC address of bond0 interface will pick up one hwaddr of the slaves eth0 or eth1 the question is when the slave interface goes down what will use the bond0 interface |
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| 08:49.42 | ChrisH | bumbar_: I assume yes... but I allways did that in my startup scripts |
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| 09:23.08 | cap3lla | hello all. I am running Debian Jessie and gnome-shell. By default "Nemo" is my file manager and I can access network share (smb/cifs) in my LAN. But when I try to save a file within my web browser (iceweasel or chromium) the pop-up window only is showing a "light" version of file manager. I cannot choose network places, only local ones. I don't even see my favourite locations. How should I save to network |
| 09:23.14 | cap3lla | places directly ? |
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| 11:01.11 | [Z8Z] | hi |
| 11:01.28 | [Z8Z] | i seem to have broken my openbox workspaces. any knowledgeable people in here that could help? |
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| 11:14.36 | WormFood | ever since I upgraded to Jessie, "cheese" has been broken. I can see my webcam ok with it, but if I try to take a picture, it turns off the light, giving me a usually black image, unless I illuminate the subject from some other light source. Has anyone else experienced the same thing? |
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| 11:16.07 | nkuttler | [Z8Z]: just ask your question, or #openbox on the oftc network |
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| 11:18.11 | boblee | yeah :/ trying to break past this language barrier |
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| 11:18.51 | [Z8Z] | i installed this, https://github.com/BurntSushi/openbox-multihead as /usr/bin/openbox-session. then later rm'd it and reinstalled openbox, however no openbox desont seem to know which workspace a window is on |
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| 11:53.50 | fredl | hi folks. I'm running on Debian 7.8, trying to configure my courier imap server to use multiple certificates for TLS |
| 11:54.17 | fredl | the standard courier-ssl package is compiled against openssl, not gnutls |
| 11:54.43 | fredl | and it seems that courier-ssl does not support openssl SNI? |
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| 11:57.24 | fredl | I thought openssl also support SNI though |
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| 11:57.42 | fredl | just not sure if courier-ssl understands it |
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| 12:13.25 | blonkel_ | hmm i got some trouble with my servers (or at least i think i have): heres what munin is saying https://www.dropbox.com/s/tggtemyddvaksk4/bug.PNG, its a setup of 3 SSDs (JBOD) any idears why latency is that high? |
| 12:13.32 | blonkel_ | https://www.dropbox.com/s/tggtemyddvaksk4/bug.PNG |
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| 12:13.57 | blonkel_ | latency should be far less then 1ms, shoudlnt it? |
| 12:14.05 | ksk | fredl: AFAIK gnutls does not support SNI, also sni is more like an http thingy than an *ssl thingy, and cannot be used for anything but https - as far as I know.. |
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| 12:14.59 | ksk | blonkel_: does your system put the drives to sleep? this should not happen with SSDs though |
| 12:15.09 | ksk | or should it? dont really know.. |
| 12:15.16 | blonkel_ | yeah i thought on somethin like this too |
| 12:15.18 | jelly | blonkel_: avg of 15ms looks a bit high for ssd, but who knows |
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| 12:15.23 | blonkel_ | but ssds dont have any spinup time? |
| 12:15.26 | fredl | hi ksk, sorry but you're wrong on multiple counts, thanks for trying though. |
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| 12:16.28 | jelly | blonkel_: leave it collecting data for a week, it's too soon to say anything |
| 12:16.31 | fredl | ksk: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mailing.unix.courier-imap/psU9oOHlzqo |
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| 12:17.59 | ksk | I just read "Did this ever get implemented? I have courier 4.10 installed on Debian 7.8 and see no mention of it in the config file: |
| 12:18.02 | ksk | " |
| 12:18.37 | fredl | that's alright, thank you ksk. |
| 12:18.40 | ksk | but just reading gnutls supports SNI, now you need an MTA? that supports it? I see. |
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| 12:19.06 | ksk | imap. ok :) |
| 12:19.25 | fredl | well later maybe also om my MTA, first trying to figure this one out though |
| 12:20.01 | fredl | SSL/TLS is not unusual on MTA/IMAP :) |
| 12:20.12 | ksk | dovecot seems to support it: http://wiki2.dovecot.org/SSL/DovecotConfiguration |
| 12:20.18 | fredl | in fact I think these days it may almost be de-facto standard |
| 12:20.19 | ksk | but SNI is :) |
| 12:20.29 | fredl | true dat. |
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| 12:20.51 | fredl | I only have one IP address on my server though |
| 12:21.01 | fredl | so very little choice. |
| 12:21.16 | ksk | Yeah I undestand the need to use SNI in that case, but it comes with maaany problems :/ |
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| 12:21.57 | fredl | well on Apache these days it works straightforward, I can remember the days that was a PITA as well |
| 12:22.41 | fredl | and clearly, Courier IMAP has thought of implementing it, just only with GnuTLS it seems, not openssl |
| 12:23.20 | fredl | and I dislike having to recompile imap-ssl just because of this |
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| 12:58.28 | Deiwsots | hi, does someone know when docker.io will be available at jessie again? |
| 12:59.45 | duelle | Hi there, is there a good guide/howto on how to install debian base install without the installer? I have to do an installation via debootstrap where I can't use the installer - or are there ways to use it? |
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| 13:06.16 | themill | Deiwsots: docker will never be in jessie. It will probably be in jessie-backports in a month or so |
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| 13:11.28 | Deiwsots | themill: yesterday I was reading about this here 'https://packages.qa.debian.org/d/docker.io/news/20150331T163915Z.html' but this message doesn't define a date to migration for jessie-backports |
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| 13:13.07 | Deiwsots | themill: few days ago docker was in jessie-rep |
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| 13:13.12 | themill | Deiwsots: packages do not migrate to jessie-backports |
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| 13:18.00 | Roberth1990 | themill: what do you mean by that? |
| 13:18.18 | themill | No more or less than what I said. |
| 13:18.48 | Roberth1990 | why dont they migrate? what do they do instead? |
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| 13:20.04 | themill | There is no way in which "migrate" makes any sense for backports. |
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| 13:21.13 | themill | (any more than it does for stable, unstable or experimental) |
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| 13:22.51 | petn-randall | Roberth1990: Packages never migrate to backports. Someone from the backports team builds them and puts them in the backports repo. It's a process where someone decides to put it there. |
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| 13:24.02 | Roberth1990 | petn-randall: ah okay |
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| 13:30.33 | duelle | Hi there, is there a good guide/howto on how to install debian base install without the installer? I have to do an installation via debootstrap where I can't use the installer - or are there ways to use it? |
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| 13:31.28 | petn-randall | duelle: What are your reasons not to use the installer? There are many ways to skin the cat. :) |
| 13:32.42 | duelle | petn-randall, I have a dedicated server which has only "default" templates of installations. And I would like to use RAID/LVM/LUKS. So I seem to have to(?) use the recovery mode and debootstrap to do so - don't I? |
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| 13:35.35 | WormFood | duelle, why don't you simply state what exactly your goals are. Your question is too broad |
| 13:35.40 | petn-randall | duelle: It it a rented root server where you can boot into a live system? |
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| 13:38.31 | AnotherNode | Hey I run a headless server and debain comes with consolekit, I only ever plan to use SSH and maybe serial console - would It be safe to remove console kit? |
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| 13:39.37 | duelle | WormFood, petn-randall That is a rented dedicated server where I want to use RAID/LVM/LUKS. But the default templates do not have all of these available. So I want to install it on my own. My current approach is to boot in rescue mode (some GRML live system) and use debootstrap. Although I have some experience with Linux/Debian I am not 100% confident in all steps of the installation done manually. So I am looking for a howto/guide for the manual |
| 13:39.37 | duelle | installation steps or a way to use the installer to do so. |
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| 13:41.24 | AnotherNode | duelle: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Dm-crypt/Device_encryption <- but it will only be encrypted when powered off or unmounted |
| 13:41.43 | petn-randall | duelle: You'll probably not find a howto for that, it's fairly specific. You can however partition the system, use debootstrap to put everything in place, unmount everything and use kvm to test boot the system. Repeat until it cleanly boots. Then reboot the physical machine into that system. |
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| 13:43.08 | petn-randall | duelle: The way I did it (I have a very similar setup), is a small /boot, the rest is LUKS, in there a PV, and then /home and / as LV on top. |
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| 13:45.31 | nonickn | hello ! |
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| 13:46.05 | nonickn | how to write line00 in file00 if line00 is not yet in file00 |
| 13:46.09 | nonickn | ? |
| 13:46.20 | duelle | petn-randall, that is exactly what I want to do. |
| 13:46.27 | kobra85 | hello! |
| 13:46.42 | nonickn | hello kobra85 |
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| 13:47.26 | Evropi | hiya, is there a way to get Firefox w/ proprietary codecs under debian, but with package updating as well? |
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| 13:49.31 | duelle | petn-randall, do you use GPT partitions in your setup? I couldn't find details about whether I need some BIOS-partition in a MBR/GPT setup. |
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| 13:51.12 | petn-randall | duelle: If you boot via UEFI, GPT is a "nice to have". But you can technically boot UEFI and legacy BIOS from GPT and MSDOS partition tables. There's no strong dependency between all of them. |
| 13:52.34 | duelle | petn-randall, thanks a lot for your help! Now I will first try the setup in a local VM and then proceed with the real machine. |
| 13:53.30 | jelly | Evropi: no. You can unpack mozilla's firefox .tar.gz as the user that will run it somewhere. If you start it from there mozilla's update mechanism will work |
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| 13:55.12 | tuxcrafter | http://paste.debian.net/166685/ < why does chmod not change the group bit with chmod 0775 |
| 13:55.20 | tuxcrafter | only chmod g-s seem to work |
| 13:55.31 | tuxcrafter | got this both on debian and centos |
| 13:55.36 | tuxcrafter | wondering why this is |
| 13:55.47 | Evropi | jelly: ah thank you, wasn't aware Fx had its own update mechanism, I'll give that a go |
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| 13:57.25 | tuxcrafter | "chmod preserves a directory's set-user-ID and set-group-ID bits unless you explicitly specify otherwise" |
| 13:57.45 | tuxcrafter | "chmod preserves a directory's set-user-ID and set-group-ID bits unless you explicitly specify otherwise. You can set or clear the bits with symbolic modes like u+s and g-s, and you can set (but not clear) the bits with a numeric mode." |
| 13:57.55 | jelly | !win tuxcrafter |
| 13:57.56 | dpkg | Congratulations, tuxcrafter! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 13:58.06 | Evropi | appears to be a bz2, hehe |
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| 13:58.16 | Evropi | I don't know why developers still ship in bz2 when xz is a thing |
| 13:58.40 | Evropi | it offers roundabout the same decompression speed and is more efficient and now every distro (to my knowledge) ships with it by default |
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| 13:58.58 | Evropi | if you don't care about decompression speed just use xz over bz2 |
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| 13:59.16 | themill | it's certainly not a default and any time you change something like that, you break things for people |
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| 13:59.55 | Evropi | don't think you're breaking anything if you force the users to download the archive themselves =p |
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| 14:02.14 | petn-randall | duelle: You don't need a VM for that, you can try it straight on the machine. I just meant you can use 'kvm -hda /dev/sda -curses' to actually test your system, without having to physically reboot the machine (which takes 5 minutes, and you never no for sure if it's still booting or the boot actually failed). |
| 14:04.25 | duelle | petn-randall, ah cool - never heard of such a way. But I will give it a try. thanks! |
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| 14:07.13 | aarshkshah1992 | Hello |
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| 14:15.20 | iuz | Hi, my update-rc.d always put s01 on the NN arg |
| 14:15.46 | iuz | even tho I'm doing it with update-rc.d tomcat7 start 50 2 3 4 5 stop 50 1 6 |
| 14:15.50 | iuz | what is going on? |
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| 14:16.38 | themill | the numbers are not relevant since squeeze |
| 14:17.00 | iuz | so I'm not able to change init order anymore? |
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| 14:17.22 | themill | You do so by declaring the dependencies |
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| 14:17.43 | themill | !lsb tags |
| 14:17.43 | dpkg | From 6.0 "Squeeze" onwards, Debian uses a dependency-based boot sequence (see /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.Debian). This requires all init scripts having appropriate headers, so that the correct order of execution can be determined. Scripts like S25libdevmapper1.02 are left over from 3.1 "Sarge" and can be deleted; your own scripts will need LSB headers added: http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts |
| 14:17.53 | iuz | thank you man. |
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| 14:41.47 | Eduard_Munteanu | Why do Haskell packages depend on exact builds of other packages? How do you even replace a package without rebuilding all of them? |
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| 14:43.57 | joobus | Eduard_Munteanu: you'll get better answers in #haskell |
| 14:44.07 | Eduard_Munteanu | Already tried, thanks. |
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| 15:04.16 | Ooze | Is it possible to change autocomplete to another key if the board doesn't have tab? |
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| 15:04.33 | StatelessCat | hey |
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| 15:06.02 | StatelessCat | i just try to apt-get upgrade my debian stable, and got "libxrender1 : Breaks: libxrender1:i386", "libxrender1:i386 : Breaks: libxrender1" ... ( http://paste.debian.net/166706/ ) |
| 15:06.04 | greycat | Ooze: if you mean in bash, it *should* be possible, using the bind builtin, but I don't know all the steps required |
| 15:06.16 | StatelessCat | is it ok to use the force for this problem ? |
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| 15:07.08 | themill | StatelessCat: either tell dpkg to force-overwrite or wait until fixed packages appear |
| 15:07.19 | greycat | managed to break his 'c' key while trying, though! That was exciting. |
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| 15:07.57 | StatelessCat | themill: so i will wait fixed package, if the bug is known :) |
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| 15:08.28 | greycat | Ah, there we go. To make Ctrl-Y act like tab: bind '"\C-y": complete' |
| 15:08.44 | StatelessCat | greycat: meow |
| 15:08.55 | greycat | there's a similar incantation you can put in ~/.inputrc to make it permanent for all readline apps |
| 15:10.16 | jhutchins | What is the deal where you delete files from a full disk and it doesn't report any free space? |
| 15:10.19 | jhutchins | I've never tracked down the actual reason, usually I just end up rebooting with fsck. |
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| 15:10.31 | Ooze | Oh nice |
| 15:10.33 | Ooze | Yeah that'd work |
| 15:10.51 | themill | jhutchins: open files are still open -- surely you've been here long enough to know that? |
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| 15:11.57 | jhutchins | themill: Shouldn't be any open, but it's an NFS share, so that might constitute "open". |
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| 15:13.10 | abrotman | I'm surprised he uses a network filesystem .. such a new age solution |
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| 15:23.41 | ChrisH | jhutchins: check for .nfs* named files. They are the equivalant for open-but-deleted files with NFS |
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| 15:23.48 | Miesco | Hi |
| 15:24.05 | Miesco | How do I make it so it doesn't wait for 90 seconds for my network interface to raise at boot? |
| 15:25.55 | ChrisH | Miesco: fix the reason the interface does not come up |
| 15:26.19 | greycat | timeouts that are a multiple of 30 s are often DNS related |
| 15:26.26 | greycat | (not always, though) |
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| 15:26.38 | ThatnowGuy | Hey all, anyone know how to disable grouping of methods in vim? (editing a perl script) |
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| 15:28.02 | ThatnowGuy | zR <- answer |
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| 15:28.06 | ThatnowGuy | thnx anyway |
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| 15:29.53 | phy1729 | ThatnowGuy: fwiw there's #vim for those questions ;) |
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| 15:30.48 | ThatnowGuy | thnx phy1729 |
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| 15:32.07 | i00nsu | yo all, i start debian without static ip/dinamic. since the resolv.conf have already the dns servers I use, is supose to login beeing offline. in fact i 'ping google.com -c 1' and the google IP shows up. then I su get root and tcproute google(IP)... my dns server comes up and I can connect and ping google without explicity connecting |
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| 15:43.50 | Miesco | greycat: I don't even want it to wait |
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| 15:44.16 | Miesco | I don't want it to wait a millisecond for my network interface to raise on startup |
| 15:44.19 | greycat | You have to figure out what's happening at the time. |
| 15:44.36 | Miesco | I don't even want my network interface up at boot |
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| 15:46.19 | jelly | Miesco: don't have "auto" or "allow-hotplug" lines for any interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:46.29 | jelly | except "lo", probably |
| 15:46.32 | Miesco | jelly: I tried that |
| 15:47.05 | jelly | Miesco: what happened? |
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| 15:47.34 | cap3lla | hey all. I am running a cron job every minute, and so far everything works fine. But I have a condition defined which should "poweroff" my notebook. Unfortunately neither "/sbin/poweroff" and "/sbin/shutdown -h now" works. And I cannot explain myself why the command is ignored in the script. It works fine when I run the script in terminal |
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| 15:48.08 | cap3lla | I also tried "/sbin/poweroff&" or /sbin/shutdown -h now& but doesn't work either |
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| 15:49.12 | cap3lla | the command is simple ==> if [[ -f /tmp/flag.file ]]; then rm -f /tmp/flag.file; /sbin/poweroff; fi |
| 15:49.16 | tuxx- | what user do you run the crontab from cap3lla ? |
| 15:49.47 | cap3lla | oh tuxx, you're right. That should explain why shutdown doesn't seem to work, right? it's executed from users account. |
| 15:49.54 | tuxx- | exactly :) |
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| 15:53.37 | greycat | if not, that should *also* be in the error email you are getting |
| 15:54.32 | jelly | unless cap3lla ignored the Recommends: ... mail-transport-agent and is receiving no mail from cron |
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| 15:54.46 | greycat | or did 2>/dev/null or some other stupid thing, yes |
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| 16:05.18 | Miesco | jelly: Sorry, yea it does the exact same thing when I reboot |
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| 16:05.46 | jelly | Miesco: what thing? |
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| 16:06.29 | jelly | Miesco: can you tell precisely which service you experience a delay with? Which debian release are you using? |
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| 16:06.39 | applepi | Hi all.. I'm working on making a .deb that is a minor upgrade to another .deb, but when I try to apt-get it, dpkg complains about trying to overwrite files which are also in the previous version of the package |
| 16:07.04 | jelly | Miesco: it might not be the networking service at all, but something else that depends on networking. |
| 16:07.27 | applepi | I have tried using "replaces" and "breaks" in my DEBIAN/control file but it doesn't seem to be respecting it |
| 16:07.39 | greycat | Oh, that reminds me! HOW do you remove the word "quiet" from the grub kernel boot lines properly in Debian? |
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| 16:07.50 | jelly | greycat: /etc/default/grub, update-grub |
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| 16:08.12 | greycat | Ah, I had looked in /etc/grub.d/ and /boot/grub/ ... |
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| 16:08.54 | applepi | what am I missing here? i thought that "replaces" and "breaks" told dpkg not to worry about the fact that it was overwriting files? |
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| 16:09.34 | greycat | you need dpkg options like --force-overwrite IIRC |
| 16:09.47 | greycat | see dpkg --force-help |
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| 16:11.19 | applepi | greycat: I've seen that around but then what would the "replaces" and "breaks" be for... and/or how do upgrades to older packages happen normally? I've not had to force other packages.. |
| 16:11.40 | greycat | If you mean in a package metadata, I don't know. |
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| 16:14.22 | Miesco | jelly: Well my network card doesn't work so I don't expect it to load, but I have Jessie |
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| 16:15.03 | greycat | So, where is it hanging? What's it doing at that point? |
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| 16:16.00 | jelly | Miesco: you'll probably want to use systemd-analyze to look at possible causes of delay |
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| 16:18.23 | jhutchins | ChrisH: .nfs* files? On the server? Where? |
| 16:18.35 | jelly | heard result of "systemd-analyze plot > foo.svg" was nifty |
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| 16:20.07 | cap3lla | thanks to you guys, I solved it through polkit, didn't need to install sudo |
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| 16:21.38 | jelly | cap3lla: ooh, can you share the solution |
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| 16:23.46 | cap3lla | sure, I just edited the file /usr/share/polkit-1/actions/org.freedesktop.login1.policy to fit my needs (section power-off and power-off-multiple-sessions) |
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| 16:28.08 | jelly | thanks |
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| 16:32.59 | Miesco | jelly: It says "A start job is running for LSB: Raise network interfaces. (55s / no limit)" |
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| 16:36.21 | Miesco | jelly: Now since it says "no limit" I guess I can set a limit? |
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| 16:38.09 | Miesco | there is this setting in /etc/systemd/user.conf: #DefaultTimeoutStartSec=90s |
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| 16:38.51 | ChrisH | jhutchins: on the client in the directory where the original file was. |
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| 16:52.49 | jhutchins | ChrisH: Ah, we're just dealing with the server. |
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| 17:05.30 | wathek | Hi everybody I'm experiencing a problem with Debian as a client and OpenVPN |
| 17:06.48 | wathek | I'd like that my server pushs his own DNS (I got a local DNS server). My client gets the DNS addresses but it doesn't seem to work correctly. I mean when I do dig google.com it says that it finds nothing however doing the same thing on my DNS server it returns the right result |
| 17:07.38 | wathek | when I do a dig (from client) on mydomain.local (which is configured in my DNS server) it returns the right result from the DNS server |
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| 17:08.16 | wathek | I've already set the forwarders { 8.8.8.8; 8.8.4.4; }; on my DNS server |
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| 17:14.54 | wathek | Hi everybody |
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| 17:29.42 | timdau | how/where does /run get mounted? I need to resize it and the stfw suggests a remount in rc.local which is uuuuugly |
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| 17:30.13 | greycat | it's a ramdisk or something. type is 'tmpfs' |
| 17:30.28 | timdau | I know what it is, I am asking how it gets mounted. |
| 17:30.32 | timdau | What mechanism. |
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| 17:30.50 | timdau | It isn't in the fstab. It doesn't appear to be mounted via init.d |
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| 17:31.35 | greycat | cd /etc/init.d && grep /run * looks like udev |
| 17:32.42 | timdau | Not on wheezy, maybe you are jessie or something. |
| 17:32.52 | greycat | I checked that on a wheezy box. |
| 17:32.53 | timdau | my udev script just moves stuff into /run |
| 17:33.21 | greycat | I didn't actually *read* the thing. I just got lots of hits in the udev script that looked relevant at a glance. |
| 17:33.35 | greycat | if that's not it, then keep diggging |
| 17:34.04 | timdau | Right, like I said, its not there. |
| 17:34.15 | timdau | Potentially its built into the initrd I suppose. |
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| 17:40.43 | incal | is there a command-sound-recorder-command so I can execute an arbitrary command and save whatever sound it makes to a file? i.e., much like redirection of text? |
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| 17:41.40 | jelly | timdau: /etc/init.d/mountkernfs.sh |
| 17:42.29 | jelly | on wheezy. Dunno on jessie. |
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| 17:45.29 | timdau | jelly: thx |
| 17:45.32 | ctmjr | incal: arecord/aplay do not know about the arbitrary command part |
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| 17:49.26 | incal | ctmjr: yeah, does it work if I have a mplayer on playing music or will it get that as well? |
| 17:50.08 | incal | perhaps impossible to tell what command generate what sound... |
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| 17:53.44 | ctmjr | incal: it records from the audio source not the player, if i remember correctly. read the man page |
| 17:53.51 | acz32 | is anything required to make changes to .fonts.conf take effect? |
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| 18:11.10 | teraflop | acz32: i dont think .fonts.conf is the right name. where is that file located? |
| 18:11.40 | greycat | You can create a ~/.fonts.conf file. |
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| 18:12.11 | teraflop | greycat: that location is deprecated |
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| 18:12.17 | greycat | Joy. |
| 18:12.35 | greycat | So where was I supposed to create the file to fix the atrociously horrible Lucicda font issue? |
| 18:13.17 | teraflop | ~/.config/fontconfig/fonts.conf |
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| 18:13.48 | greycat | Oh, because you're supposed to be using a Desktop Environment (tm). Right. I am not. |
| 18:13.57 | teraflop | greycat: i do not use DE |
| 18:14.04 | teraflop | greycat: thats the right location |
| 18:14.19 | timdau | jelly: do you happen to know where the size of /run is specified? |
| 18:14.56 | greycat | http://www.freedesktop.org/software/fontconfig/fontconfig-user.html lists ~/.fonts.conf right there at the bottom of the list |
| 18:15.15 | canvon_ | timdau: /etc/default/tmpfs perhaps? |
| 18:15.20 | greycat | since I don't have an XDG_CONFIG_HOME variable I figured ~/.fonts.conf was safer. |
| 18:15.26 | jelly | timdau: man 5 tmpfs |
| 18:16.10 | teraflop | greycat: and? may be it gets piked untill it stops working, that location is deprecated |
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| 18:16.59 | greycat | Then they should put that in the listbox at the top of the page instead of burying it at the end! |
| 18:17.20 | acz32 | i guess that's right. ~/.fonts.conf is the old location, but it still works |
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| 18:18.23 | timdau | thx canvon / jelly |
| 18:18.25 | greycat | And then need to discuss what happens if you don't have XDG_CONFIG_HOME set. I don't see anything on this page about it. |
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| 18:18.50 | greycat | For some reason I have XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=/run/user/1000 but I have no idea why. |
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| 18:19.28 | acz32 | i found a .fonts.conf which pretty closely emulates infinality without having to install or compile anything from other repos |
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| 18:20.26 | eugenmayer | are there any (newer) sources for powerdns then the wheezy backports (3.3) |
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| 18:20.34 | greycat | In fact env says I have XDG_VTNR, XDG_SESSION_ID, XDG_SESSION_COOKIE, XDG_SEAT and XDG_RUNTIME_DIR but nothing with HOME |
| 18:20.41 | teraflop | acz32: also if you want fontconfig pick your user configuration may be you have to deal with the symlinks into /etc/fonts/conf.d |
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| 18:21.39 | acz32 | teraflop: what do you mean. if i use the deprecated location? |
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| 18:21.55 | teraflop | acz32: nope, i mean in general |
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| 18:22.26 | teraflop | greycat: you can set the variables by yourself |
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| 18:23.05 | greycat | Great. So they are taking away the one sane working choice and forcing me to emulate a Desktop Environment(tm) if I want things to continue working in the future. |
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| 18:23.23 | teraflop | greycat: no |
| 18:23.37 | greycat | Then explain what you meant. |
| 18:23.59 | desrt | greycat: hi. i created XDG_RUNTIME_DIR |
| 18:24.03 | desrt | what did you want to know about it? |
| 18:24.03 | teraflop | greycat: i do not know whay are you talking about DE, but it has nothing to deal with the XDG stuff |
| 18:24.12 | teraflop | why* |
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| 18:24.41 | greycat | desrt: teraflop is telling me I am Doing It Wrong, because I only read part of the page instead of the whole page, and buried at the BOTTOM of the page it says the location that they listed at the TOP of the page is deprecated. |
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| 18:25.04 | greycat | desrt: and all of the NON-DEPRECATED OPTIONS require the presence of an environment variable called XDG_CONFIG_HOME which is not set in my window manager/X session. |
| 18:25.17 | desrt | XDG_CONFIG_HOME is ~/.config/ |
| 18:25.19 | desrt | by default |
| 18:25.31 | desrt | read http://standards.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/basedir-spec-latest.html |
| 18:26.13 | teraflop | greycat: im telling you that you are wrong about all youre talking about XDG, but the funny thing is that im not telling you nothing about that .font stuff |
| 18:26.36 | desrt | when people say XDG_CONFIG_HOME they mean "the value of ${XDG_CONFIG_HOME} if set, or ~/.config/ if unset" |
| 18:26.41 | greycat | Then whoever is maintaining http://www.freedesktop.org/software/fontconfig/fontconfig-user.html should link to that page, and put the deprecation notice in the TOP of the page, right next to the entry in the big grey synopsis box. |
| 18:26.43 | teraflop | i just told you is deprecated and it will stop working that's all |
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| 18:27.21 | desrt | greycat: the page says . If 'prefix' is set to "xdg", the value in the XDG_CONFIG_HOME environment variable will be added as the path prefix. please see XDG Base Directory Specification for more details. |
| 18:27.38 | teraflop | greycat: i do not care about that and i do not care if you believe me or not |
| 18:27.42 | desrt | it's not an actual link to the spec, but it's definitely a citation, and it's the first google hit |
| 18:28.02 | greycat | I don't even understand that sentence, desrt. |
| 18:28.36 | desrt | greycat: the page you're complaining about, in three separate places, says "please see XDG Base Directory Specification for more details" |
| 18:28.51 | desrt | i linked you to the document called "XDG Base Directory Specification" |
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| 18:28.53 | greycat | I just want to know where I am supposed to put shit. In simple English. I thought the list of places in the grey box at the top of the page were all allowed. |
| 18:29.10 | desrt | and it says very clearly " $XDG_CONFIG_HOME defines the base directory relative to which user specific configuration files should be stored. If $XDG_CONFIG_HOME is either not set or empty, a default equal to $HOME/.config should be used." |
| 18:29.21 | teraflop | greycat: read the fine manual ;) |
| 18:29.56 | desrt | the xdg basedir spec is extremely widely used. arguably, if this is your first interaction with it, it might seem kinda annoying that every single place using the spec doesn't spell it out in full when they use it... |
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| 18:34.22 | emash | where do i start to get debian working on 2009 macbook? |
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| 18:37.27 | rgr | https://duckduckgo.com/?q=debian+macbook&t=debian |
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| 18:40.46 | Pegasus_RPG | Hello. How can I get apt-cacher to listen on the host's IPv6 address as well on Wheezy? |
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| 18:41.52 | emash | thank you. When i get to the page with iso's why there are three of them? why so many |
| 18:41.59 | emash | i need all? |
| 18:42.28 | mtn | emash: you only need the netinstall or disk 1 |
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| 18:44.49 | debn00b | hi :) |
| 18:45.00 | pangolinrollin | hello debn00b |
| 18:45.17 | debn00b | what are the packages i need to installl for audio to work? |
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| 18:45.30 | debn00b | pulseaudio and alsa-base? |
| 18:45.53 | greycat | You don't need pulseaudio... |
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| 18:46.07 | zinx | especially if you want audio to actually work |
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| 18:46.30 | emash | i can't find bittorent download for testing |
| 18:46.47 | greycat | The dpkg bot suggests installing "alsa-utils" in <install alsa> |
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| 18:48.33 | debn00b | emash http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/ |
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| 18:50.22 | greycat | So anyway, something (not me) seems to have copied my ~/.fonts.conf file to ~/.config/fontconfig/fonts.conf so I went ahead and removed ~/.fonts.conf |
| 18:50.33 | Pegasus_RPG | Does anyone else use apt-cacher here? |
| 18:50.35 | greycat | I still think the documentation could be improved. |
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| 18:55.47 | Roberth1990 | Pegasus_RPG: yeah with the search or show paramter only |
| 18:56.13 | Pegasus_RPG | Roberth1990: huh? |
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| 18:56.59 | Roberth1990 | Pegasus_RPG: nevermind... |
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| 18:59.13 | teraflop | greycat: sure, and sorry if I answered rude, it's been a long day |
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| 19:01.09 | emash | when i am installing debian, should i select 'debian desktop env' with de of my choice? or i can only tick mate |
| 19:01.26 | emash | and leave it unchecked? |
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| 19:01.56 | greycat | Personally I like to leave those things unchecked, then just apt-get install the things I actually want. But I have several years of experience with Debian. |
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| 19:02.39 | emash | i just don't understand what is "Debian desktop enviroment" |
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| 19:03.06 | debn00b | if you tick yes to debian desktop environment, it will install the default desktop environment |
| 19:03.16 | debn00b | (gnome or something) |
| 19:03.23 | emash | already did that, now i regret |
| 19:03.31 | emash | wanted mate only |
| 19:03.34 | debn00b | you can remove it afterwards |
| 19:03.52 | Roberth1990 | yeah just remove the meta packagee and the run auto remove |
| 19:03.56 | greycat | it'll be some version of GNOME with a whole lot of stuff added |
| 19:03.57 | Roberth1990 | *then |
| 19:04.07 | debn00b | i've gone ultraminimalist and dont actually have a desktop environment right now :D |
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| 19:04.39 | debn00b | still climbing out of the pit with the help of you guys haha |
| 19:05.04 | Roberth1990 | debn00b: is that you rms? |
| 19:05.07 | mtn | emash: under advanced option (I think) in the installer, you can choose which desktop you want installed |
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| 19:05.30 | mtn | emash: might be expert install |
| 19:05.37 | emash | i chose graphical install |
| 19:05.58 | debn00b | i dont eat the skin of my feet |
| 19:06.04 | pankid | debn00b: did you choose a good font at least? |
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| 19:06.25 | emash | it presented me with options to select DE's and one of them was debian desktop enviroment i ticked mate and left deb de checked |
| 19:06.28 | emash | nevermind |
| 19:06.35 | debn00b | sounded like tasksel |
| 19:06.57 | debn00b | Roberth1990: i'm just learning how a DE is put together in the process :) |
| 19:07.03 | debn00b | just using openbox for now |
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| 19:08.38 | debn00b | i wish xfce would recommend rather than depend on osme of its packages (e.g. orage) |
| 19:09.08 | debn00b | icedove does what i want |
| 19:09.20 | acz32 | greycat: which WM do you use, since you said you don't use a DE |
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| 19:10.37 | greycat | I use fvwm2 |
| 19:11.55 | acz32 | never heard of it |
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| 19:12.19 | debn00b | i'm going to switch to fluxbox when i get more time to configure things |
| 19:12.39 | acz32 | looks like a stacking WM. i switched to tiling and am regretting it |
| 19:13.33 | greycat | fvwm is a very old, very traditional, very SMALL(!) wm |
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| 19:14.34 | acz32 | it looks old. looks like whatever openbsd ships by default |
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| 19:15.22 | greycat | loves old things... they remind me of me. |
| 19:15.25 | blackflow | so much hate for gnome 3. I quite like it :) |
| 19:15.38 | emash | sudo: command not found? |
| 19:15.43 | acz32 | oh, just looked it up and that is what openbsd uses. fvwm |
| 19:15.43 | greycat | install it if you want it |
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| 19:16.02 | acz32 | (1) |
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| 19:18.19 | emash | i figured that out but it was ehm unusual) |
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| 19:19.18 | acz32 | blackflow: most people like customizing their systems and gnome3 doesn't make that easy. |
| 19:19.27 | acz32 | that |
| 19:19.40 | acz32 | that probably accounts for a lot of the hate |
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| 19:21.45 | emash | i can't get to install mate, it says unable to locate (deb-testing) |
| 19:21.57 | emash | done apt-get update |
| 19:24.45 | elcheckito | i have /etc/foo that is installed by package bar. i wanna compare my current (changed) version of /etc/foo with the default (unchanged) version i got when i first install bar. how? |
| 19:24.47 | acz32 | greycat: is fvwm and fvwm2 the same thing? the latter isn't available in debian if so |
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| 19:25.15 | acz32 | if not so, i mean |
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| 19:33.45 | richied | hey guys where can i find the files pertaining to any application which i have installed in debian jessie |
| 19:34.17 | greycat | richied: dpkg -L pkgname will list the files that are installed as part of the package, but not the files created when the package programs are used |
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| 19:38.13 | Miesco | Anyone use iwlwifi-7602? |
| 19:38.50 | towo` | !anyone |
| 19:38.50 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 19:49.48 | Miesco | towo`: How do I get it to work? |
| 19:49.48 | Miesco | Okay okay, i'll be more specific |
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| 19:49.55 | ompaul | Miesco: your question is strange, please list, (A) machine type (B) machine age (C) is it an intel card for wifi |
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| 19:49.56 | Miesco | I have Thinkpad x240, got it new like just over a year ago. I have iwlwifi-7260 drivers for my wifi card (Network controller: Intel Corporation Wireless 7260 (rev 6b)). My wifi interface keeps failing. It will keep reconnecting (in wpa_supplicant) or not connect at all, and when I type ifdown wlan0 I get: "dhclient.c:2331: Failed to send 300 byte long packet over fallback interface." What is the first s |
| 19:49.56 | Miesco | tep I would take to prevent my wifi drivers from failing? |
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| 19:50.14 | towo` | what are iwlwifi-7260 drivers? |
| 19:50.23 | towo` | which kernel you use? |
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| 19:50.47 | Pegasus_RPG | I just installed a new Wheezy system and /etc/resolv.conf keeps getting overwritten every minute. Why and how can I stop it? |
| 19:51.19 | greycat | first figure out why your dhcp client is getting a new lease from the dhcp server every minute :-/ |
| 19:51.57 | Pegasus_RPG | The system is configured with a static address |
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| 19:55.40 | greycat | blackflow: why would you want your networking department's DHCP server that is set up for Windows PCs to fuck with your resolv.conf on your Debian box? Ever? At all? Just make it stop. |
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| 19:56.12 | Pegasus_RPG | greycat: commenting that line still doesn't help |
| 19:56.13 | greycat | I never want anything from my networking department's DHCP server in my resolv.conf. |
| 19:56.18 | mueslo | hey, while doing a debian netinst, how would you install from a custom mirror? |
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| 19:56.26 | greycat | Pegasus_RPG: you restarted all of the interfaces that use DHCP? |
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| 19:56.38 | Pegasus_RPG | I run my DHCP server though so it's okay, I just need the domain and search params added. I guess I should add those to /etc/networking |
| 19:56.44 | Pegasus_RPG | er you know networks |
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| 19:57.12 | ompaul | Miesco: there is a debian pastebin |
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| 19:57.33 | Miesco | ompaul: Okay, i'll see if I can get pastebinit to run it |
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| 19:57.38 | ompaul | don't bother - |
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| 19:57.59 | ompaul | I've read those I don't mind the python ones but others I won't look at |
| 19:58.09 | ompaul | Miesco: so a couple of questions |
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| 19:58.33 | ompaul | Miesco: you're disconnecting |
| 19:58.33 | Miesco | http://paste.debian.net/166800/ |
| 19:58.57 | ompaul | Miesco: what is the distance from the network hub |
| 19:59.00 | mueslo | any ideas? i really don't see why installing from a custom mirror isn't an option :8 |
| 19:59.03 | ompaul | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:59.51 | ompaul | mueslo: do the work to make it happen ;-) start by finding all your options by /msg dpkg install that will give you some reading material and there are a lot of ways to install |
| 20:00.17 | ompaul | Miesco: ? |
| 20:01.17 | Miesco | ompaul: Well this started happening recently; I had it semi good, it only broke when I closed my laptop lid, but now that I installed iwlwifi-firmware package, it keeps breaking |
| 20:01.36 | ompaul | Miesco: - what had you got before t |
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| 20:01.40 | ompaul | that |
| 20:01.46 | ompaul | that didn't break it |
| 20:01.55 | Pegasus_RPG | greycat: I have four physical interfaces, two of which are slaves for bond0, and the other two are not defined in /etc/network/interfaces at all |
| 20:02.07 | Miesco | ompaul: Some other /lib/firmware/iwlwifi-7602-9.ucode |
| 20:02.11 | Pegasus_RPG | bond0 is static addressed |
| 20:02.22 | Pegasus_RPG | though it gets its IPv6 one via autodiscovery |
| 20:02.23 | ompaul | Miesco: how did you install that? |
| 20:02.24 | greycat | well, if it's not the dhclient overwriting resolv.conf then you'll have to find out who/what is overwriting it |
| 20:02.25 | Pegasus_RPG | opr whatever it's called |
| 20:02.34 | Miesco | ompaul: I forget, but it was still broken, just less broken |
| 20:02.53 | greycat | (or just play big dumb Linux guy and bust out the chattr -i) |
| 20:02.59 | ompaul | Miesco: please do this /msg dpkg don't break debian |
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| 20:03.25 | Pegasus_RPG | greycat: how might I be able to find out who is overwriting it? Set permissions to read only and see who complains in the syslog? |
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| 20:04.05 | greycat | I guess that's one way. |
| 20:04.12 | Miesco | ompaul: Oh yea I am running Jessie |
| 20:04.31 | mueslo | ompaul: not sure what that has to do with my problem, the only relevant thing for me is a netinst, and I have a local debian mirror I can use, but I can't use it since the installer doesn't allow custom mirrors and going the the installer shell it also seems like there's no way to modify sources.list or whatever the installer uses |
| 20:05.09 | ompaul | mueslo: check out preseed you should be able to do something you could fudge dns and point to your stack |
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| 20:05.44 | ompaul | Miesco: so here's the thing, if you installed using some random method, we don't know what that was. You then added a package (at least I presume you added a package) now you don't know what's going on but can't tell us how you got to this place. |
| 20:06.17 | Miesco | ompaul: But this is what was happening before I did the random method |
| 20:06.24 | Miesco | ompaul: Its naturally like this |
| 20:06.44 | Miesco | ompaul: Its the debian drivers that are broken |
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| 20:08.04 | ompaul | Miesco: breaking down what you said this is the course of events. Installed some random firmware which kind of made stuff work. Installed correct package which seems to now misbehave. Is that a fair summary so far. |
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| 20:09.10 | Pegasus_RPG | greycat: I'm convinced it's the IPv6 autoconfiguration |
| 20:09.19 | Pegasus_RPG | But I ahve no proof XD |
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| 20:10.33 | Pegasus_RPG | rdnssd |
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| 20:11.22 | greycat | chattr -i is tempting as a short-term solution until you can find the real problem |
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| 20:15.45 | Miesco | ompaul: Yea. Since I installed debian package, I am back to the old broken ones. |
| 20:16.23 | Miesco | ompaul: All I did was add iwlwifi-7602-blah.ucode to /lib/firmware/. That was the random method. |
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| 20:16.36 | Miesco | And the debian package overwrites that |
| 20:16.46 | ompaul | are you sure? |
| 20:17.27 | Miesco | ompaul: no |
| 20:17.34 | Miesco | ompaul: But fairly sure |
| 20:17.40 | ompaul | not good enough |
| 20:17.50 | ompaul | ls -al in that directory |
| 20:17.54 | ompaul | check the dates |
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| 20:18.41 | Miesco | http://paste.debian.net/166805/ |
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| 20:19.01 | ompaul | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:19.22 | Miesco | ompaul: Yea I don't know why it says Nov |
| 20:19.25 | Miesco | I just changed it today |
| 20:19.50 | Miesco | I renamed the debian one with a .fromdeb, and added that one |
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| 20:20.12 | ompaul | Miesco: now you are telling me you did it the other way around |
| 20:20.24 | ompaul | you should really remove the package with apt-get remove packagename |
| 20:20.32 | ompaul | kill the other bit of firmware |
| 20:20.36 | ompaul | reinstall the package |
| 20:20.41 | ompaul | and then you can get the right to complani |
| 20:20.44 | ompaul | complain |
| 20:20.48 | Miesco | ompaul: Okay |
| 20:20.50 | ompaul | and if it isn't working |
| 20:20.53 | ompaul | you can file a bug |
| 20:20.59 | ompaul | but remember to do this first |
| 20:21.48 | ompaul | (A) install on an $android phone wifi analyzer check bands and density and strength where you are |
| 20:22.27 | ompaul | (B) if the box is broadcasting on a channel that is very busy in that neighbourhood consider some other legal channel in that area for the box to broadcast on |
| 20:23.00 | Miesco | ompaul: Oh yea, and I also added add this to /etc/modprobe.d/: options iwlwifi 11n_disable=1 |
| 20:23.28 | Miesco | ompaul: I use wifi here all the time, its my office |
| 20:23.33 | ompaul | that is the first time I ever saw that written in this channel |
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| 20:23.58 | ompaul | it might be but the building might be full of boxes chatting on the same frequency |
| 20:24.10 | ompaul | I've said all I have to say on that |
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| 20:25.02 | elcheckito | can i have a symlink to /etc/init.d/a as /etc/init.d/b and install the service and update-rc.d defaults it? |
| 20:25.11 | elcheckito | can i have a symlink in /etc/init.d at all? |
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| 20:38.05 | FreeyMan | after kicking me out |
| 20:38.08 | FreeyMan | i looked at the ban list |
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| 20:41.27 | FreeyMan | bolt man |
| 20:41.37 | FreeyMan | bolt all im gonna say is |
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| 20:53.53 | marens | hey, how can i make sure that a service (mpd in my case) only gets started once dhclient assigned an ip to the wlan0 interface? i think the problem is that dhclient just returns to early. I see this problem during normal system startup and in if-up.d scripts that are called when the interface doesn't have an ip yet |
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| 20:55.18 | greycat | you can put the service invocation in an "up" hook in the interface block in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 20:55.48 | NoImNotN1neVolt | which systemd target are you using? |
| 20:56.07 | marens | this is wheezy, no systemd yet |
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| 20:56.15 | NoImNotN1neVolt | oh :( |
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| 20:57.15 | balleyne | I've been having problems for a while in Debian testing. My screen freezes up often -- I can move my mouse, but nothing else -- and it might hold for 10 seconds or for 3 minutes. Then it unfreezes and catches up. Any idea how to fix? Wrong display driver or something? |
| 20:57.17 | marens | greycat: wouldn't that be the same as putting a script in network/if-up.d ? |
| 20:57.27 | greycat | I don't know. |
| 20:58.35 | centrx | marens, You can change the boot order of a script with update-rc.d (you can see the order by the number at the start of the filename) |
| 20:58.49 | centrx | marens, filenames in /etc/rc2.d |
| 20:59.00 | centrx | marens, but use update-rc.d to change it |
| 20:59.05 | marens | i even tried to depend on the $all facility in the init script to wait until everything is started but that didn't help, dhclient still wasn't finished |
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| 20:59.37 | marens | and that doesn't help when i restart the service via if-up.d when the wlan comes back up |
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| 21:00.25 | marens | i'm already whinking about a script that checks if the iface got an ip but that is soo hacky, this can't be the only place where a service needs a fully configured iface with ip |
| 21:00.59 | marens | *thinking about |
| 21:01.07 | centrx | marens, Did you create the service? |
| 21:01.21 | centrx | marens, Did you try the Required-Start keyword in the init script? |
| 21:01.35 | marens | no, it's the default mpd initscript from debian wheezy, i just experimented with the $all facilty |
| 21:02.08 | marens | centrx: yes, $all in Required-Start, still the interface didn't have an ip assigned |
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| 21:04.03 | centrx | marens, what command did you run after changing the file? |
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| 21:05.48 | marens | i did a complete reboot to check the behaviour |
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| 21:07.49 | centrx | marens, You have to re-run the program that sets up the boot scripts. Try dpkg-reconfigure insserv sysv-rc |
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| 21:21.27 | marens | centrx: didn't seem to help, i changed the Required line to "# Required-Start: $all" ran "dpkg-reconfigure insserv sysv-rc" yet services like cran, dbus get started after mpd. and again the interface didn't get an ip in time, tried with auto wlan0 and allow-hotplug wlan0 |
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| 21:22.28 | centrx | marens, try removing the service and re-adding it with update-rc.d ? |
| 21:22.50 | centrx | I think it would be: update-rc.d scriptname remove && update-rc.d scriptname defaults |
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| 21:27.50 | blackflow | shouldn't have |
| 21:27.53 | marens | centrx: that finally seems to work |
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| 21:28.21 | marens | thanks, hopefully this will work for my invocation from if-up.d/, too |
| 21:28.30 | centrx | cool |
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| 21:32.38 | marens | meh, doesn't work for the if-up.d script when the wlan comes back up (it simply starts the mpd init script again), yet again no ip assigned at that time |
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| 22:03.00 | acz32 | is there any reason to not always use dist-upgrade instead of upgrade? |
| 22:03.51 | mutante | acz32: if you dont want to reboot for kernel upgrades i guess |
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| 22:05.34 | centrx | acz32, dist-upgrade will choose to uninstall things |
| 22:05.52 | centrx | acz32, there's no reason to use it on stable unless upgrading releases |
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| 22:09.33 | acz32 | centrx: you mean only after changing sources.list to a new release and dist-upgrading? |
| 22:11.51 | centrx | right |
| 22:12.06 | centrx | dist-upgrade is potentially unsafe, though nothing should ever go wrong on stable |
| 22:12.25 | centrx | automated upgrades for example |
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| 22:18.35 | hiexpo | thanks again guys |
| 22:18.51 | hiexpo | i am grateful |
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| 22:20.02 | duelle | Hi there, now I am trying for a whole day to get debian installed in a VM or on a dedicated server using RAID1/LUKS/LVM. As I needed reference configs for my dedicated server I tried to install a similar setup in a VM. But even the installer shows an error message when it tries to setup grub. Are there any things/limitations I might have missed when it comes to RAID1/LVM/LUKS setups using the installer? |
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| 22:20.25 | rootsudo | duelle: what does the log say? |
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| 22:21.19 | duelle | rootsudo, how can I access the logs of the installer? Sorry - never needed that :/ |
| 22:21.53 | duelle | rootsudo, the error message ist just "Executing 'grub-install /dev/sda' failed. This is a fatal error." |
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| 22:22.09 | hiexpo | maybe /var/logs |
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| 22:24.23 | duelle | The last lines of syslog contain: Volume group "md0" not found [that should have been the boot partition] |
| 22:24.33 | duelle | Later there are only messages that grub-installer failed with error |
| 22:26.55 | duelle | My experimental setup contained two md devices. The first one for the boot partition and the second for all the rest (including LUKS/LVM). Unfortunately this is at least the second time I try to install such a setup with the installer that fails. |
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| 22:30.53 | Vasistha | I'd like to buy a wireless network card for my desktop computer. Are there any recommended brands where I can rely on good linux support, including WPA, etc? |
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| 22:31.53 | vandox | Tplink ones work fine, for me at least |
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| 22:32.11 | Vasistha | thanks for the tip |
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| 22:45.21 | g00gz | hello everyoneâ¦anyone currently running OVS on a deb host? |
| 22:45.55 | g00gz | I'm looking for info on how VM to VM communication works on the same host |
| 22:46.42 | g00gz | does anyone know of a good site i can reference? |
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| 22:57.45 | cpc26 | it is in the Xorg log file |
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| 23:06.37 | vanila | hello |
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| 23:16.05 | srg | I have an external 4 TB drive. I'm gonna use it for backups. Should I use ext4 or btrfs? I've used zfs in the past, but I think that's overkill. Is btrfs well supported on Jessie? |
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| 23:19.10 | acz32 | srg: i would use ext4 or ntfs (if you want to be able to use it on windows) personally |
| 23:19.21 | acz32 | btrfs isn't as stable yet, i believe |
| 23:21.51 | srg | oh, ok. THanks for the info. I don't want to use ntfs, I don't use windows anywhere |
| 23:22.00 | srg | and don't want to worry about ntfs-3g bugs or whatever |
| 23:22.27 | teraflop | srg: unless you want snapshots you won't need btrfs I think |
| 23:23.39 | teraflop | if yes and you use subvols btrfs send is quite useful |
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| 23:28.34 | srg | Nah, I'm just rsycing from my server and laptop on to this external drive. I don't think I'd need snapshots. Thank you guys! |
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| 23:50.50 | kWO901 | my wireless interface turns off at random (very rarely) |
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| 23:56.12 | roundcirle | heyho |
| 23:56.57 | kWO901 | roundcirle: hello |
| 23:57.16 | roundcirle | is it safe to install debian 8? |
| 23:57.50 | roundcirle | does much will change until 8 is officially release? |
| 23:57.51 | ryouma | what is this error i keep getting in iceweasel recently? "Secure Connection Failed An error occurred during a connection to startpage.com. The server rejected the handshake because the client downgraded to a lower TLS version than the server supports. (Error code: ssl_error_inappropriate_fallback_alert)" |
| 23:58.52 | ryouma | my iceweasel version is from the debian mozilla repo; should i ask in debian-next? |
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