| 00:00.51 | mtn | future28: that battery reading may not be accurate, it is usually, at best, a guess |
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| 00:01.44 | future28 | mtn: Right, cool. I still think there must be things I can change to improve - Would the cpu automatically be lowering the clock until it needs a better speed? |
| 00:01.44 | abrotman | also, powertop |
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| 00:01.59 | mtn | future28: yes, it should |
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| 00:03.17 | future28 | abrotman: Do I need to run powertop all the time or what? Thanks by the way |
| 00:03.20 | future28 | Thanks mtn |
| 00:03.29 | mtn | future28: welcome |
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| 00:07.07 | kWO901 | My wireless interface turns off and on at random (rarely). here is the log, can someone decypher? http://paste.debian.net/167010/ |
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| 00:34.32 | abrotman | jerichowasahoax: What have you done so far? There are more than few guides about bridging |
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| 00:37.22 | kWO901 | My wireless interface turns off and on at random (rarely). here is the log, can someone decypher? http://paste.debian.net/167010/ |
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| 00:39.22 | likecolacola | Hey, since i am using openbox i don't have access to the typical gnome program to make screenshots... so i open gimp and take them from there... |
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| 00:40.43 | abrotman | kWO901: what is 'uname -r' ? |
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| 00:41.15 | zykotick9 | likecolacola: you might want to try scrot for screenshots? ymmv |
| 00:41.31 | abrotman | or just 'import' |
| 00:43.46 | likecolacola | this happens ... espe@cl:~$ gnome-screenshot |
| 00:43.46 | likecolacola | ** Message: Unable to use GNOME Shell's builtin screenshot interface, resorting to fallback X11. |
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| 00:44.26 | likecolacola | zykotick9, i wonder if scrot let you select with the mouse the area of the screen you want to capture |
| 00:44.28 | phogg | likecolacola: the fallback is likely about the same as running import |
| 00:44.36 | abrotman | likecolacola: use import |
| 00:44.37 | phogg | likecolacola: it does, scrot -s |
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| 00:44.40 | abrotman | dpkg: tell likecolacola about screenshot |
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| 00:46.48 | likecolacola | phogg, zykotick9 scrot works wonderful |
| 00:47.10 | likecolacola | it's very appropriate for me |
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| 00:50.24 | kWO901 | abrotman: 3.2.0-4-686-pae |
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| 00:54.05 | abrotman | dpkg: tell kWO901 about backports kernel |
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| 00:57.44 | kWO901 | abrotman: dpkg doesnt work apparently |
| 00:58.08 | gzcwnk | check for tabs |
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| 01:01.50 | abrotman | kWO901: yes, dpkg sent you a priv msg .. |
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| 01:02.35 | kWO901 | abrotman: it didnt |
| 01:02.58 | abrotman | it did |
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| 01:03.10 | kWO901 | ... |
| 01:03.16 | abrotman | nope, I lied :) |
| 01:03.24 | abrotman | dpkg: tell kWO901 about bpo kernel |
| 01:03.26 | abrotman | there we go :) |
| 01:03.29 | gzcwnk | kw0901 what ircclient are you using? |
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| 01:03.36 | kWO901 | now i got it |
| 01:03.42 | abrotman | kWO901: I had the wrong factoid, sorry about that |
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| 01:09.14 | kWO901 | dpkg: tell kWO901 kernel backports |
| 01:09.40 | kWO901 | abrotman: can u ask dpkg to tell me again |
| 01:10.46 | abrotman | dpkg: tell kWO901 about bpo kernel |
| 01:10.50 | abrotman | dpkg: tell kWO901 about msg the bot |
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| 01:11.26 | kWO901 | thx |
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| 01:12.48 | kWO901 | abrotman: so it says i dont need to modify the source list in my case |
| 01:12.58 | kWO901 | i just need to run the command; aptitude -t wheezy-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` |
| 01:13.21 | kWO901 | it wont mess up my system, right? |
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| 01:16.50 | abrotman | kWO901: it will install a more recent kernel |
| 01:17.12 | kWO901 | abrotman: yes. but i wonr save anything. its gonna be fine, right? |
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| 01:17.53 | mbrain84 | hi guys |
| 01:17.58 | mbrain84 | sry i have a question |
| 01:18.15 | mbrain84 | can anyone help me to get a clean WinXP image without any SP? |
| 01:18.49 | gzcwnk | huh? an original cd should do that |
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| 01:19.14 | mbrain84 | WinXP? |
| 01:19.15 | abrotman | kWO901: it shouldn't, right? |
| 01:19.19 | mbrain84 | where to get it? |
| 01:19.19 | gzcwnk | checks channel name |
| 01:19.20 | abrotman | mbrain84: wrong channel, try ##windows |
| 01:19.30 | kWO901 | abrotman: ok man thx |
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| 01:19.37 | mbrain84 | you think they would tell where to find it? |
| 01:19.46 | mbrain84 | i asked 5 mins ago :P |
| 01:20.01 | gzcwnk | well apart from it maybe being illegal... |
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| 01:20.05 | abrotman | mbrain84: not our problem,, go away |
| 01:20.12 | mbrain84 | ya mom |
| 01:20.21 | gzcwnk | bye |
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| 01:21.17 | gzcwnk | its not fun trying to install XP on a sata disk anyway |
| 01:21.33 | abrotman | no need to comment |
| 01:21.41 | gzcwnk | lol |
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| 01:22.19 | kWO901 | abrotman: here is how it went http://paste.debian.net/167016/ |
| 01:22.33 | abrotman | gzcwnk: not amusing |
| 01:23.11 | abrotman | kWO901: yes, you'd have to reboot |
| 01:23.56 | kWO901 | abrotman: i see an error message in there, is that ok? |
| 01:27.11 | gzcwnk | watches his bid.... |
| 01:28.02 | gzcwnk | anyone run debian on a dell precision t5500? |
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| 01:42.51 | shellclear | I would like to know how to network interfaces works at chroot |
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| 01:43.56 | shellclear | I searched at google but until now i dont found nothing about this |
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| 02:00.33 | kWO901 | abrotman: after reboot X didnt start |
| 02:00.38 | jerichowasahoax | "nmcli connection up eth0" spits out this: "Error: Connection activation failed: Connection 'eth0' is not available on the device eth0 at this time." What the hell does this even mean? |
| 02:03.39 | jerichowasahoax | Are my messages even getting through at all? Has someone put a quiet on me? Nobody has been answering my questions all day, and I'd at least like confirmation that people can see them. |
| 02:03.55 | kWO901 | jerichowasahoax: i can see you |
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| 02:04.09 | jerichowasahoax | kWO901: Thank you |
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| 02:06.37 | aspect | nmcli conn takes a connection name, not a device name |
| 02:06.40 | jerichowasahoax | To reiterate my case again: I'm trying to take my internet connection (wlan0) and share it with an extra router I have (plugged into eth0), using NetworkManager (requirement, because of WPA2 security). I've so far learned to set wlan0 up as normal and set eth0's IPv4 settings to "Shared", but I still can't actually do anything with eth0. |
| 02:06.56 | jerichowasahoax | aspect: the connection is named eth0 in NM as well |
| 02:07.27 | themill | jerichowasahoax: I believe you need to specify a device and a configuration profile (or just a config profile if the profile is linked to a particular device already). |
| 02:07.48 | themill | (what aspect said) |
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| 02:08.32 | kWO901 | abrotman: do i need to install LXde again or what? |
| 02:08.52 | jerichowasahoax | themill: Example command please? nmcli's documentation isn't clear |
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| 02:09.10 | jerichowasahoax | themill: "nmcli connection up eth0 ifname eth0" reports the same error |
| 02:09.17 | themill | the documentation is certainly baroque |
| 02:10.34 | themill | "nmcli con show" lists the known configurations in the first column; "nmcli con up id $NAME" can then bring it up |
| 02:10.50 | themill | (if my memory and bash history are not lying to me!) |
| 02:10.50 | jerichowasahoax | I changed the name of the connection from "eth0" to "ChangedTheName" and ran "nmcli connection up ChangedTheName", just to rule out argv confusing it, still the same error |
| 02:12.13 | jerichowasahoax | themill: I am definitely, 100% sure, ban-me-from-the-channel-if-I'm-wrong using the connection name and *not* the interface name unless expressly prompted to do so, and it's still saying it's unavailable. |
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| 02:12.50 | jerichowasahoax | The cable is plugged in securely, etc etc |
| 02:13.21 | kWO901 | I cannot enter graphic mode when it boots up |
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| 02:13.53 | jerichowasahoax | kWO901: Graphics card? Which drivers? |
| 02:14.03 | kWO901 | jerichowasahoax: i mean x |
| 02:14.15 | jerichowasahoax | kWO901: I figured. Graphics card? Which drivers? |
| 02:14.23 | kWO901 | geforce |
| 02:14.49 | themill | jerichowasahoax: I don't use nmcli often, but I've always has "id" in there to specify that it's a connection id that I'm referencing |
| 02:15.11 | jerichowasahoax | kWO901: alright, are you using the open source drivers (nouveau) or the proprietary ones (which are just called nvidia-drivers) |
| 02:15.33 | kWO901 | jerichowasahoax: it was working fine, till now when i updated the kernel |
| 02:15.37 | jerichowasahoax | themill: having "id" in there doesn't seem to make a difference |
| 02:15.48 | themill | the documentation says that it is optional |
| 02:15.49 | themill | ahh |
| 02:15.50 | jerichowasahoax | kWO901: You're dodging my question. Please answer it |
| 02:17.05 | jerichowasahoax | i scared him off |
| 02:17.28 | jerichowasahoax | it's probably as simple as reinstalling nvidia drivers, but I can't say for sure since my only system with an nVidia GPU runs gentoo |
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| 02:18.56 | jerichowasahoax | themill: Does nmcli have some sort of "verbose" or "debug" mode I could switch on? Some way to get an error more helpful than "not available"? |
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| 02:23.01 | jerichowasahoax | themill: Would the output of "nmcli connection show $NAME" help? |
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| 02:24.52 | kWO901 | abrotman: u around? |
| 02:24.53 | abrotman | kWO901: how's it going? |
| 02:24.53 | themill | that would verify that nm knows about the connection, yes |
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| 02:25.05 | kWO901 | abrotman: i logged into the old kernel |
| 02:25.13 | abrotman | the new one failed? |
| 02:25.14 | kWO901 | the new one doesnt start x |
| 02:25.22 | abrotman | kWO901: you have nvidia or fglrx? |
| 02:25.30 | kWO901 | nvidia |
| 02:25.39 | abrotman | and you installed the driver from their website? |
| 02:25.43 | jerichowasahoax | themill: sec, installing wgetpaste |
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| 02:26.02 | kWO901 | abrotman: I dont remember, i followed tutorials. |
| 02:26.09 | kWO901 | no from website |
| 02:26.20 | jerichowasahoax | kWO901: The reason I was making a big deal about drivers is: if you installed the proprietary drivers, you probably just need to install them while booted into the new kernel |
| 02:26.31 | jerichowasahoax | reinstall them, I mean |
| 02:27.19 | kWO901 | jerichowasahoax: i see |
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| 02:27.42 | jerichowasahoax | themill: https://bpaste.net/show/abccccb8a8fd |
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| 02:28.40 | kWO901 | jerichowasahoax: it wont be easy since i can only get intp text mode |
| 02:29.06 | jerichowasahoax | kWO901: Did you use "apt-get"/"aptitude" or did you download them from somewhere |
| 02:29.27 | kWO901 | jerichowasahoax: its been 9 months i dont remmeber |
| 02:30.08 | mbrain84 | hi guys, got my clean WinXP OEM from here: http://downloads.jmay.us/Downloads/WindowsXPPro.aspx you can use product key: XJM6Q-BQ8HW-T6DFB-Y934T-YD4YT |
| 02:30.18 | gzcwnk | ffs |
| 02:30.50 | gzcwnk | dont you have anything better to do with your life? |
| 02:32.01 | jerichowasahoax | gzcwnk: just do what i do when you see a spammer and tell #freenode about it |
| 02:32.12 | jerichowasahoax | already did it this time |
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| 02:37.09 | gzcwnk | yippee dee doo i can soon buy an iwatch....i so cannot wait ;} |
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| 02:37.36 | dvs | dont you have anything better to do with your life? :-P |
| 02:37.44 | gzcwnk | nope |
| 02:38.01 | gzcwnk | hassles dvs |
| 02:38.08 | dvs | doh |
| 02:39.16 | donofrio | do we have anyone who's gotten this http://www.walmart.com/ip/44389793 and loaded jessie on it yet? |
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| 02:40.37 | jerichowasahoax | donofrio: I've never had one myself but from what I remember Chromebooks have a switch under the battery door that you need to flip, and from there you can install whatever you can get to fit on that tiny 10GB drive |
| 02:41.06 | jerichowasahoax | at least i think it was 10GB |
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| 02:44.13 | jerichowasahoax | themill: "nmcli dev" reports that eth0 is "unmanaged". Did I find my problem? |
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| 02:45.22 | dvs | jerichowasahoax: That means that eth0 is not under the control of network manag.er |
| 02:46.13 | themill | jerichowasahoax: oh -- do you have that configured in /etc/network/interfaces instead? |
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| 02:48.02 | jerichowasahoax | themill: All I had was "iface eth0 auto dhcp". Should I take that out of there? |
| 02:48.25 | dvs | absolutely |
| 02:48.28 | gzcwnk | yes |
| 02:48.30 | themill | That's telling ifupdown that it should configure the interface and it's telling n-m that it should not |
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| 02:49.49 | jerichowasahoax | Well the good news is the error changed! The bad news is it's even less useful now: "Error: Connection activation failed." |
| 02:49.53 | donofrio | jerichowasahoax: yah flashed my cr-48 (-: |
| 02:50.03 | kWO901 | when the new kernel is loading , last i see is a message like "worstation server...failed" |
| 02:50.32 | kWO901 | then it prompts me to enter user/pass in text mode |
| 02:52.26 | dvs | kWO901: Search the /var/log/xorg.0.log for "(EE)" to see some errors. |
| 02:52.51 | kWO901 | dvs: ok |
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| 02:57.50 | kWO901 | dvs: failed to load nvidia kernel module |
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| 03:00.53 | jerichowasahoax | kWO901: Yeah, just reinstall the nvidia drivers. Download them to your home folder (using your old X-capable kernel if you want), then run the download as root while in the new kernel |
| 03:01.05 | jerichowasahoax | kWO901: You can get them from nvidia.com somewhere |
| 03:01.25 | kWO901 | jerichowasahoax: ok thx |
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| 03:29.39 | zykotick9 | !tell jerichowasahoax why nvidia installer sucks |
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| 03:35.35 | kWO901 | I have GeForce 8400 GS, i couldnt install the run bcz of a gcc version difference |
| 03:35.49 | kWO901 | http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_100.14.09.html |
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| 03:43.15 | Lady_Aleena | Hello, I just installed a GeForce 8400 GS video card at -pci:1 -display. It uses the DCI port on my monitor, but now I am stuck with a very dim video because my image settings on my monitor are grayed out. Can I change the brightness and contrast with the driver, or am I stuck with a dim image? |
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| 03:53.39 | kWO901 | guy im now with no X at all. i need help installing the invidia drivers from text mode |
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| 03:56.10 | SirLagz | kWO901: are you installing the nvidia drivers from the website or the packaged drivers ? |
| 03:56.32 | kWO901 | SirLagz: Im stuck with text mode now cant even browse |
| 03:56.40 | kWO901 | can you guide me? |
| 03:56.52 | SirLagz | kWO901: sure...after I figure out which set of drivers you're trying to install |
| 03:57.07 | kWO901 | SirLagz: nvidia geforce 8400m gt |
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| 03:57.50 | SirLagz | kWO901: so are you trying to install drivers provided by nvidia, or drivers from the debian repos ? |
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| 03:58.13 | kWO901 | SirLagz: which one do you think i should install? |
| 03:58.27 | SirLagz | debian drivers probably the easiest |
| 03:58.36 | kWO901 | SirLagz: lets do that |
| 03:58.44 | SirLagz | have you done an apt-get update ? |
| 03:58.52 | kWO901 | yes |
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| 03:58.59 | tecra | hello dare |
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| 04:00.06 | SirLagz | kWO901: you should be able to install the nvidia-driver package to install the drivers then |
| 04:00.32 | kWO901 | SirLagz: ok , can u let me know the commands |
| 04:00.59 | SirLagz | kWO901: just apt-get install nvidia-driver |
| 04:01.24 | kWO901 | SirLagz: brb, need to disconnect and use this same terminal |
| 04:01.46 | tecra | im having an issue updating my wifi drivers and running into this when trying to build http://pastebin.com/qB9SBGTf |
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| 04:02.36 | kWO901 | SirLagz: unable to locate nvidia-driver |
| 04:02.46 | donofrio | debian will work on this http://paste.debian.net/167027/ correct? |
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| 04:03.38 | Rusty1 | try: apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-nvidia |
| 04:03.49 | kWO901 | Rusty1: ok brb |
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| 04:05.03 | kWO901 | unable to locate ! |
| 04:06.04 | jerichowasahoax | kWO901: what happened to the "download from nvidia.com" suggestion i had |
| 04:06.32 | kWO901 | jerichowasahoax: if u can scroll above u can see with links and all |
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| 04:07.05 | kWO901 | basically it said gcc version doesnt match and couldnt continue |
| 04:07.30 | Rusty1 | try: apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-nouveau |
| 04:07.41 | kWO901 | Rusty1: ok brb |
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| 04:08.21 | shay_shay | hallo |
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| 04:08.30 | tecra | howdee |
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| 04:09.10 | kWO901 | it said its already the newst version |
| 04:09.18 | kWO901 | set for manual install |
| 04:10.41 | Rusty1 | try: apt-get install xserver-xorg |
| 04:10.49 | kWO901 | Rusty1: ok brb |
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| 04:11.43 | kWO901 | again , said its the newsest version already. set for manual install |
| 04:12.36 | Rusty1 | type: startx |
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| 04:15.10 | kWO901 | no screen found. failed to load nvidia |
| 04:15.54 | tweek_ | (feel free to redirect to proper channel if necessary) where can i find the kernel debug infos for squeeze (linux-image-2.6.32-5-686-dbg ?). I did found -686-bigmem-dbg but, as the name suggest, it is for -686-bigmem |
| 04:18.00 | Rusty1 | kWO901: did you install a desktop environmant, like gnome or kde? |
| 04:18.13 | kWO901 | lxde |
| 04:18.30 | kWO901 | but ill try kde now, just in case |
| 04:18.54 | kWO901 | but i remove nvidia * |
| 04:19.03 | kWO901 | so now not even my old kernel works |
| 04:19.17 | Rusty1 | try: apt-get install xdm |
| 04:19.39 | kWO901 | i have gdm3 |
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| 04:19.59 | Sublime__ | kWO901, what is in your .xinitrc ? |
| 04:20.28 | kWO901 | brb |
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| 04:22.15 | Lady_Aleena | Asking again: I just installed a GeForce 8400 GS video card at -pci:1 -display. It uses the DCI port on my monitor, but now I am stuck with a very dim video because my image settings on my monitor are grayed out. Can I change the brightness and contrast with the driver, or am I stuck with a dim image? |
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| 04:22.43 | jerichowasahoax | Lady_Aleena: try nvidia-settings |
| 04:22.46 | kWO901 | i opened that with nano and seems empty |
| 04:22.49 | jerichowasahoax | Lady_Aleena: assuming proprietary drivers |
| 04:23.00 | kWO901 | i did ~/.xinitrc |
| 04:23.33 | Sublime__ | ahh I don't know where the default one is |
| 04:24.00 | Rusty1 | type: gdm , or gdm3 |
| 04:24.01 | Lady_Aleena | jerichowasahoax, bash: nvidia-settings: command not found |
| 04:24.13 | jerichowasahoax | Lady_Aleena: Are you using nouveau or the official nVidia drivers? |
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| 04:24.27 | Lady_Aleena | jerichowasahoax, what do I look at to find out? |
| 04:24.46 | kWO901 | tmux ls |
| 04:24.57 | jerichowasahoax | Lady_Aleena: lsmod |
| 04:25.10 | jerichowasahoax | Lady_Aleena: specifically, "lsmod | grep nvidia" |
| 04:25.19 | jerichowasahoax | if it doesn't output anything you're probably on nouveau |
| 04:25.48 | Lady_Aleena | jerichowasahoax, no output |
| 04:26.04 | jerichowasahoax | Lady_Aleena: Then you're probably on nouveau and nvidia-settings would be useless to you |
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| 04:26.21 | kWO901 | Rusty1: no comand found |
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| 04:26.54 | jerichowasahoax | Lady_Aleena: I would tell you to look into the official drivers, but 1) it's becoming increadingly clear to me that there is no straightforward way to install them in Debian, and 2) the 8xxx series is on legacy drivers now, which makes things a bit more complex |
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| 04:28.05 | jerichowasahoax | s/increadingly/increasingly/ # sorry, this keyboard is incredibly tiny |
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| 04:28.22 | Lady_Aleena | jerichowasahoax, does my monitor being on dvi-d instead of d-sub tell you anything? |
| 04:28.31 | Rusty1 | kWO901: what irc client are you using to chat here? |
| 04:28.37 | kWO901 | irssi |
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| 04:28.55 | jerichowasahoax | Lady_Aleena: It's possible, since DVI is a digital signal and VGA/D-SUB is analog |
| 04:29.00 | Rusty1 | try: apt-get install gdm |
| 04:29.20 | Lady_Aleena | jerichowasahoax, I'm typing with one less finger because where I pricked it for my blood test is still bleeding. |
| 04:29.46 | jerichowasahoax | Rusty1: It's mainly drivers, since it was working fine until a recent kernel update |
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| 04:30.00 | jerichowasahoax | Rusty1: which was why i was telling him to reinstall the nvidia drivers in the first place :V |
| 04:30.08 | kWO901 | Rusty1: gdm3 is already the newsest version |
| 04:30.22 | kWO901 | Rusty1: look i did purge nvidia. so now its gone |
| 04:30.25 | Lady_Aleena | jerichowasahoax, so basically stuck with a dim monitor unless I go back to analog, right? |
| 04:30.37 | kWO901 | i need to install back nvidia drivers. its not a display manager thing |
| 04:30.43 | jerichowasahoax | Lady_Aleena: Does the monitor itself not have brightness/contrast settings you can adjust? |
| 04:30.53 | Lady_Aleena | jerichowasahoax, they are grayed out. |
| 04:31.05 | jerichowasahoax | Lady_Aleena: The physical hardware buttons on the monitor itself are greyed out? |
| 04:31.22 | Lady_Aleena | jerichowasahoax, the menu item is, which is all I have. |
| 04:31.48 | jerichowasahoax | Lady_Aleena: What desktop environment? |
| 04:31.55 | Lady_Aleena | jerichowasahoax, KDE. |
| 04:32.06 | Rusty1 | jerichowasahoax: is there a little blacklisting in the picture |
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| 04:32.37 | jerichowasahoax | Rusty1: I didn't comprehend a word of that |
| 04:32.57 | jerichowasahoax | Lady_Aleena: Long shot, but "aptitude install kgamma"? |
| 04:33.16 | Lady_Aleena | sudo apt-get install you mean? |
| 04:33.32 | Rusty1 | jerichowasahoax: did , for example, nouveau , get blacklisted somewhere in all of this |
| 04:33.52 | jerichowasahoax | Lady_Aleena: Yes |
| 04:34.06 | Lady_Aleena | jerichowasahoax, good, because I have an alias for that. |
| 04:34.24 | jerichowasahoax | Rusty1: You'd have to ask him about module blacklists |
| 04:34.39 | kWO901 | Rusty1: so how do i install nvidia drivers ? |
| 04:34.43 | jerichowasahoax | Rusty1: I've never known the proprietary drivers to need nouveau blacklisted on sane distros however |
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| 04:35.10 | jerichowasahoax | Lady_Aleena: Incidentally, I prefer using aptitude over plain apt-get because it tends to be a little smarter when conflicts occur |
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| 04:36.18 | Lady_Aleena | jerichowasahoax, let me look at kgamma real quick, and I will come back and discuss apt-get vs. aptitude. Hold please. :) |
| 04:39.27 | Lady_Aleena | I was able to go a little brighter, but I'm losing contrast. |
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| 04:44.39 | Lady_Aleena | jerichowasahoax, so apt-get (what I've been told to use since I installed Debian) is not as good as aptitude? |
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| 04:45.19 | CoffeeJ | Lady_Aleena: i found this on the net "xrandr --output OUTPUT --gamma 5:3:4" where OUTPUT is the monitor (shown with "xrandr"). Hope this helps somewhat |
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| 04:45.45 | jerichowasahoax | Lady_Aleena: It's fine for 99% of cases, but sometimes you'll tell it to do something and it will get confused because (for instance) you have two packages installed and the newer versions don't get along with each other |
| 04:46.14 | jerichowasahoax | Lady_Aleena: In the 1% of cases, apt-get will just error out, whereas aptitude will propose solutions |
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| 04:47.36 | themill | (also, you've been told you can use aptitude many times before) |
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| 04:48.52 | Lady_Aleena | themill, I am not thinking clearly right now. My hip is giving me a lot of pain tonight. |
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| 04:49.42 | Lady_Aleena | At least my finger stopped bleeding. |
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| 04:52.02 | Lady_Aleena | jerichowasahoax & themill, darn it! I can change my alias to use aptitude, but then the alias wouldn't make sense. It is currently 'suag' (sounds like swag) for SUdo Apt-Get, but it would just be sua for SUdo Aptitude. |
| 04:53.44 | Lady_Aleena | jerichowasahoax & themill, and yes, I know I am being a bit silly. I need to be to counter the negativity I am feeling inside. |
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| 04:56.29 | Lady_Aleena | goes to #debian-offtopic now. |
| 04:56.45 | Lady_Aleena | jerichowasahoax, thank you for pointing out kgamma. |
| 04:56.54 | jerichowasahoax | no problem whatsoever |
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| 05:11.06 | danobi | Does anyone know how to get a list of user installed packages from aptitude or apt-get? |
| 05:12.53 | jerichowasahoax | danobi: dpkg --get-selections |
| 05:13.01 | jerichowasahoax | large quantities of output |
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| 05:14.19 | themill | dpkg: tell danobi about aptitude fu |
| 05:14.34 | danobi | jerichowasahoax, it looks like that outputs dependencies as well. Do you know of a way to just get packages I did an 'apt-get install' for? I'm doing some spring cleaning for unused software |
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| 05:17.46 | jerichowasahoax | danobi: I'm not sure apt or dpkg track that sort of thing |
| 05:17.52 | `hypermist` | How do i use commands that require root on my non root user ? |
| 05:18.06 | Lady_Aleena | I'm going to get all of this yet! |
| 05:18.09 | `hypermist` | is there a command like sudo for debian ? |
| 05:18.19 | jerichowasahoax | `hypermist`: in fact there is sudo |
| 05:18.23 | Lady_Aleena | `hypermist`, yes |
| 05:18.33 | `hypermist` | do i have to install sudo myself |
| 05:18.43 | jerichowasahoax | yes |
| 05:18.53 | `hypermist` | ty |
| 05:19.16 | `hypermist` | thanks for the help :) |
| 05:19.18 | jerichowasahoax | as far as I know, Ubuntu and its descendants are the only distros where that isn't the case |
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| 05:19.26 | danobi | jerichowasahoax, Hmm that's interesting. That feature would seem awfully useful. I'll pull that on my list of utilities to write when I have time. |
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| 05:19.55 | themill | danobi: or you could look at what dpkg told you? |
| 05:20.11 | danobi | After all, the packages and dependencies are just in a DAG |
| 05:20.20 | `hypermist` | jerichowasahoax, i asked because i have only being using ubuntu and i was like oh no, no sudo cmd then yea xD |
| 05:20.23 | danobi | themill, I'm not sure what you mean |
| 05:20.32 | jerichowasahoax | themill: He wants a list of packages he explicitly installed, not the dependencies they brought in |
| 05:20.42 | themill | indeed.... |
| 05:20.47 | themill | !aptitude fu |
| 05:20.48 | dpkg | To list uninstalled recommended packages: aptitude search '~RBrecommends:~i!~i'; upgradeable packages: aptitude search '~U'; manually installed packages: aptitude search '~i!~M'; See also <obsolete> <not available> <bdo list> <dmm list> <which repo> <aptitude clone> <sort by size> <aptitude why> <aptitude search> <aptitude ops> <aptitude states> |
| 05:21.01 | themill | ^^ which is the third one in that list. |
| 05:21.14 | danobi | themill, Oh I see the private message now |
| 05:21.22 | jerichowasahoax | oh THAT dpkg |
| 05:21.41 | themill | dpkg, poor bot |
| 05:21.41 | dpkg | Yeah, it's a tough life... |
| 05:21.53 | danobi | Oh my god, that's great |
| 05:22.05 | themill | danobi: note that includes things installed by the installer too. |
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| 05:27.23 | `hypermist` | how to check my mail on debian |
| 05:29.18 | SirLagz | `hypermist`: what mail ? |
| 05:29.36 | `hypermist` | it says i have new mail in /var/mail or wahtever |
| 05:29.55 | nstr | cat /var/mail |
| 05:30.07 | `hypermist` | Thanks |
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| 05:41.05 | cyris212 | if I would install jessie right now, what would I need to do when jessie becomes stable? |
| 05:41.44 | themill | nothing |
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| 05:42.28 | danobi | Would the 'debian version' still be testing? Or would it become stable? |
| 05:44.14 | themill | /etc/debian_version already reports 8.0; apt's view of what is stable or testing is controlled on the mirrors and that symlink and the entry in the Release file will be changed next weekend. |
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| 05:49.05 | danobi | themill, so what you're saying is the terms testing/stable/unstable describe only the packages? |
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| 06:10.28 | Lady_Aleena | Hello again. While I had my computer open to clean out the dust, I realized I hadn't defragmented my drive since I installed Debian. Is there such a thing as defrag for Debian/Linux, or is it good about keeping data in shape on the hard drive? |
| 06:11.15 | danobi | Lady_Aleena, For technical reasons I don't quite understand, the ext<X> filesystem doesn't need defragging |
| 06:11.48 | Lady_Aleena | danobi, so I don't need to defragment my drive then, right? |
| 06:11.57 | danobi | Lady_Aleena, you do not |
| 06:12.03 | Lady_Aleena | danobi, thank you. |
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| 06:13.03 | tecra | Lady_Aleena: bleachbit is what u want |
| 06:13.09 | tecra | its not a defragger |
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| 06:14.24 | kryptoz | help list |
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| 06:15.52 | Lady_Aleena | tecra, Googling. |
| 06:16.00 | tecra | hey i dont know what i changed but inside xchat when i want to open a link i have an option to copy the url or open in it in a browser. my defualt browser isnt opening it though |
| 06:16.18 | tecra | could it be something is messed up on my menu editor? |
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| 06:17.03 | GPenguin | i have that too in Jessie |
| 06:17.25 | Chakka____ | I cant seem to get a display manager (tried kdm, lightdm) to start up at boot on debian Jessie.... anyone else having this probelm? Startx works to directly start a mate session |
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| 06:19.04 | tecra | GPenguin: bleachbit or my problem? ; ) |
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| 06:19.50 | GPenguin | the problem that chat applications (xchat, hexchat, irssi in a terminal) fail to load links in the currently opened browseer |
| 06:20.17 | linocisco | is debian better than ubuntu? |
| 06:20.23 | GPenguin | linocisco: sure |
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| 06:20.28 | danobi | GPenguin, tecra, perhaps you need to set a default browser? |
| 06:20.29 | jelly | !why debian |
| 06:20.30 | dpkg | Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ http://www.aboutdebian.com/ . As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian. |
| 06:20.46 | GPenguin | danobi: the default is set |
| 06:20.52 | linocisco | why ubuntu evolve and based on debian if debian is fully supported by community and continuous development? |
| 06:20.54 | tecra | danobi: i believe i did but with an incorrect command |
| 06:21.04 | jelly | linocisco: they have different goals |
| 06:21.06 | danobi | GPenguin, interesting, it works for me in XChat w/e jessie |
| 06:21.09 | tecra | its not pointing to where it should. it just says chrome |
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| 06:21.22 | danobi | w/* , not w/e |
| 06:21.23 | tecra | i think thats my problem |
| 06:21.30 | linocisco | jelly, what goals for what? |
| 06:22.07 | danobi | linocisco, Debian is more about freedom and Ubuntu is more about usability (in a nutshell at least) |
| 06:22.09 | jelly | linocisco: different goals to solve with their product |
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| 06:22.37 | Lady_Aleena | tecra, Bleachbit looks interesting. |
| 06:23.21 | tecra | ok lets try |
| 06:23.34 | tecra | http://www.lmgtfy.com |
| 06:23.47 | tecra | oops |
| 06:23.50 | tecra | i think i got it though |
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| 06:24.05 | GPenguin | when i first installed Jessie several months ago the default browser stuff just worked. then after a re-install i followed the same procedures it did not work anymore |
| 06:24.09 | linocisco | danobi, ubuntu is free with freedom. |
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| 06:24.48 | jelly | linocisco: a single example: choice of time-based release in Canonical's distro makes them use very different technical solutions |
| 06:25.10 | GPenguin | transmission-gtk has a similar problem |
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| 06:25.15 | JesuZ | Hello guys... I'm thinking to separate my OS disk and Storage disk in Wheezy, but since not daily linux user, I'm bit lost... I got partition done with fdisk for storage, but more or less I think I screw it up... |
| 06:25.17 | tecra | GPenguin: go to settings>preferred applications |
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| 06:25.24 | GPenguin | that is set |
| 06:25.30 | danobi | linocisco, I do not think all of Ubuntu's default packages are free (as in freedom) |
| 06:25.59 | danobi | An example that comes to mind is the flash plugin |
| 06:26.20 | linocisco | danobi, ok |
| 06:26.21 | tecra | GPenguin: settings > preferred applications then change defualt browser to other and put in "/usr/bin/google-chrome-stable %U" |
| 06:26.25 | tecra | assuming ur using chrome |
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| 06:26.57 | tecra | worked like a charm |
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| 06:31.37 | nstr | JesuZ: Could you be a little more specific, what are you trying to solve? :) |
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| 06:32.35 | JesuZ | Oh, sure! I've two disks on my system, one where I would like to put my OS, and other where I would like to use as storage |
| 06:33.18 | JesuZ | I've already Wheezy installed on OS disk, and now I should figure out how I manage to partition my storage disk for use, and mount it automatically on system boot |
| 06:34.33 | JesuZ | http://pastebin.com/qEFtk7je |
| 06:35.03 | JesuZ | This is how my disk look at now, not sure is that completely screwed up, or even close what I'm trying to accomplish |
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| 06:37.09 | buu | JesuZ: which one is the os disk? |
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| 06:37.41 | JesuZ | The /dev/vda |
| 06:38.14 | buu | JesuZ: So you want /dev/vdb to consist of a single 'linux' partition then use mkfs on it then mount it |
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| 06:38.53 | JesuZ | buu: if single 'linux' partition equals as storage partition, then absolute! |
| 06:39.41 | valdyn | JesuZ: what you have now works, but its not neat, delete both, create a single primary partition |
| 06:40.40 | JesuZ | ok, just second |
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| 06:47.53 | buu | Ok.. I have a headless box configured with a static wireless connection. After a couple of days it tends to stop responding to pings, but the machine itself is still running fine. If I had console access, what command should I run to refresh its wifi connection? |
| 06:48.07 | buu | network restart? |
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| 06:49.39 | SirLagz | buu: service network restart, or ifdown wlan0 && ifup wlan0 |
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| 06:51.56 | `hypermist` | May i ask waht the CFLAGS for march= is for x86-64 |
| 06:52.02 | `hypermist` | or is it just CFLAGS='-march=x86-64' ? |
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| 06:53.18 | buu | SirLagz: Seems reasonable. |
| 06:54.29 | SirLagz | buu: I had the same issue, I just ran a cron job every minute to check to see if it could ping the default gateway, if it couldn't then it'd restart the networking |
| 06:55.06 | buu | SirLagz: Yep, sounds like a plan. Every minute seemed a bit much but I guess thats why they're computers. |
| 06:55.08 | SirLagz | buu: alternatively you could use wicd to manage the wifi NIC...it'd probably reconnect automatically if it detected it lost the connection |
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| 06:55.37 | buu | wicd has a console mode?! |
| 06:55.41 | SirLagz | buu: yes |
| 06:55.41 | buu | Oh. My. God. |
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| 06:58.12 | nonickn | how to change the value of ttl in the ping command |
| 06:58.16 | nonickn | ? |
| 06:58.52 | buu | dunno, what does the man page say? |
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| 07:03.27 | JesuZ | ok valdyn, got partitions removed, and created one primary partition on it |
| 07:04.24 | JesuZ | And got it formatted with: sudo mkfs.ext4 /dev/vdb1 |
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| 07:11.31 | jelly | suexec: your kernel might be buggy. look at "dmesg" output or /var/log/kern.log if possible |
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| 07:11.53 | pastafar | how can i configure debian so that it wont use dhcp? |
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| 07:13.16 | jelly | pastafar: edit /etc/network/interfaces https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Configuring_the_interface_manually |
| 07:13.23 | SirLagz | beaten |
| 07:13.35 | pastafar | thanks |
| 07:14.10 | jelly | SirLagz: next time just do !interfaces |
| 07:14.30 | pastafar | is it ok if i disable these: avahi, acpid, atd, cron, syslog...? |
| 07:14.40 | pastafar | and dbus.. i want a minimal system |
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| 07:15.44 | SirLagz | pastafar: depends on how much of a system you want |
| 07:15.53 | SirLagz | I'd keep cron. some things won't work without avahi |
| 07:16.01 | SirLagz | i'd keep syslog too |
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| 07:16.30 | pastafar | what about dbus? |
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| 07:16.55 | SirLagz | you can do without dbus...some things won't work without dbus |
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| 07:18.16 | pastafar | thanks SirLagz |
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| 07:19.23 | jelly | makes one wonder why they installed atd and cron in the first place, those are not part of base install |
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| 07:28.53 | jelly | mmm, perhaps I'm wrong |
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| 07:35.05 | nivw | hi, I need help with /etc/network/if-up |
| 07:35.26 | nivw | I want to start dnsmasq when usb0 is UP |
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| 07:36.15 | nivw | I put my script at /etc/network/if-up.d/dnsmasq_usb0 but when it starts it fails as the usb0 device is missing |
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| 08:03.58 | valdyn | nivw: it runs again when usb0 is up |
| 08:04.32 | swift110-phone | Ok |
| 08:05.00 | mjt | each script in there runs for _every_ interface |
| 08:05.08 | mjt | so you have to check which iface it is run fo |
| 08:05.11 | mjt | *for |
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| 08:15.35 | [jasper] | hej guys, how can I always have the latest unrar version working? |
| 08:15.48 | [jasper] | I'm running debian wheezy...but the unrar version is getting to old to unrar new stuff |
| 08:15.52 | [jasper] | how can I solve this? |
| 08:16.01 | valdyn | [jasper]: which unrar is it? |
| 08:16.03 | [jasper] | or is the only way to manually build? |
| 08:16.08 | [jasper] | unrar-nonfree |
| 08:16.13 | yzT | [jasper], have you looked at backports? |
| 08:16.27 | valdyn | judd: versions unrar-nonfree |
| 08:16.28 | judd | No package named 'unrar-nonfree' was found in i386. |
| 08:16.38 | valdyn | theres no such package... |
| 08:16.47 | valdyn | judd: versions unrar |
| 08:16.48 | judd | Package: unrar on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 1:3.9.10-1; wheezy/non-free: 1:4.1.4-1; sid/non-free: 1:5.2.7-0.1; jessie/non-free: 1:5.2.7-0.1 |
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| 08:18.43 | nivw | thanks valdyn thanks mjt |
| 08:19.17 | nivw | mjt: yes I exit if IFCAE is not usb0 |
| 08:19.52 | yzT | how could I configure that every new file on a directory has permissions 775? I have my torrents directory with 775, but downloaded files have 755, so I can't move them to other places (I have two users: my user and transmission user, both belong to transmission group) |
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| 08:20.48 | nivw | when the script is run IFACE=--all |
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| 08:21.05 | valdyn | yzT: which group on those files you cannot copy? |
| 08:21.12 | [jasper] | valdyn, I'm not using unrar |
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| 08:21.34 | valdyn | [jasper]: there is no unrar-nonfree package in debian though |
| 08:21.37 | [jasper] | or at least I'm using unrar from unfree |
| 08:21.51 | [jasper] | https://packages.debian.org/source/wheezy/unrar-nonfree |
| 08:22.05 | [jasper] | what's that then? |
| 08:22.20 | valdyn | [jasper]: thats a source package |
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| 08:22.42 | [jasper] | meaning? |
| 08:23.09 | valdyn | !source |
| 08:23.09 | dpkg | As an overview: to work with Debian source packages, add a <deb-src> line to your sources list; cd to a location with free space; download the source package with <apt-get source>; edit <debian/rules> to taste; use <dpkg-buildpackage> to build the new .deb. For more details, also ask me about <package recompile> <backport> <nmg> <policy> <source package> |
| 08:24.09 | [jasper] | ok, so there's no way to run latest unrar version on wheezy? |
| 08:24.19 | valdyn | [jasper]: no one said that |
| 08:24.30 | valdyn | [jasper]: you can probably just get and install the sid package |
| 08:24.50 | [jasper] | so what's the difference betwen unrar and unrar-nonfree then? |
| 08:24.52 | yzT | valdyn, group is transmission, but permissions are 644 which mean that as my user I can only "read" the file but not move it anywhere |
| 08:24.53 | [jasper] | I'm confused here |
| 08:25.20 | valdyn | yzT: ok |
| 08:25.27 | valdyn | !Permissions |
| 08:25.27 | dpkg | For information on permissions, read «info coreutils 'File Permissions'», http://mywiki.wooledge.org/Permissions and http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html . For further information, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod and follow the setuid and setgid links within. See also <ssh permissions>, <qotd232>. http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
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| 08:25.32 | valdyn | woa |
| 08:26.03 | [jasper] | or should I try unar? |
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| 08:26.16 | valdyn | [jasper]: no, get the sid package |
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| 08:28.13 | [jasper] | so how do I do that then valdyn? Add the sid sources? and then only install that package? |
| 08:28.18 | [jasper] | because I don't see any backports? |
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| 08:30.05 | valdyn | yzT: who is the owner on that directory btw? |
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| 08:30.46 | blackflow | Hi guys. With mdadm RAID 10, does it matter if I make a "mirror of stripes" or "striped mirrors" ? |
| 08:31.06 | valdyn | blackflow: wrong |
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| 08:31.20 | valdyn | blackflow: raid10 is not raid1 + raid0 vs raid0 + raid1 |
| 08:31.33 | valdyn | blackflow: raid10 is a seperate raid level - use that |
| 08:31.57 | yzT | valdyn, I just fixed it |
| 08:32.09 | yzT | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/580584/setting-default-permissions-for-newly-created-files-and-sub-directories-under-a |
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| 08:32.43 | valdyn | yzT: yea, exactly |
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| 08:32.59 | blackflow | valdyn: can I make it partial at first? I need to convert a 4 disk server with deb on 1 so basically I can only do 3 disks at first, debootstrap, reboot, and add the fourth, possible? |
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| 08:33.23 | valdyn | blackflow: iirc raid10 works with 2 disks |
| 08:33.43 | valdyn | blackflow: but reshaping may take a long time i guess |
| 08:33.46 | blackflow | valdyn: hence my question, because if they're striped mirrors, I don't see how |
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| 08:33.59 | valdyn | !raid10 |
| 08:34.20 | blackflow | valdyn: I am googling, but can't find the partial disk setup help/guide, only all 4 at once |
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| 08:34.47 | blackflow | I know how to do partial for raid1, I guess I can try that, but I'm asking/googling around first to see my options. |
| 08:34.59 | valdyn | blackflow: ok, thats not reshaping then, thats creating a raid with missing disks |
| 08:35.04 | blackflow | yes |
| 08:35.08 | yzT | valdyn, mmmm... if I move it, either through nautilus or using mv, I get a permission denied error, and the file is copied instead of moved. Do you have any idea why? |
| 08:35.14 | valdyn | blackflow: you create with these disks "disk1 disk2 missing missing" |
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| 08:35.37 | valdyn | blackflow: i havent done that with raid10 though |
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| 08:36.13 | blackflow | valdyn: oh well I'll try, it'll error out if it doesn't like it. I forgot there's level 10, I thought I'd have to manually 1+0 |
| 08:36.20 | valdyn | yzT: yea, +s does that |
| 08:36.41 | valdyn | yzT: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/Permissions |
| 08:36.47 | valdyn | yzT: sticky bit |
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| 08:38.50 | valdyn | yzT: I think you just need to own the directory |
| 08:38.58 | valdyn | yzT: so - who owns that directory? |
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| 08:39.58 | valdyn | yzT: (as a user): mkdir test; cd test; sudo touch testfile; ls -l testfile ;rm testfile |
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| 08:40.11 | yzT | I own it, but the files are written by debian-transmission |
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| 08:40.32 | future28 | Hi, I am having issues with my x1 carbon and deb. My external monitor is 1920x1080 and things appear HUGE on it and tiny on my laptop. |
| 08:40.40 | valdyn | yzT: so you can remove, |
| 08:40.44 | future28 | I reads I can disable hidpi but I am unsure how to do this |
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| 08:40.58 | future28 | Also, if I use the dock, my wireless internet drops out. Anyone able to help? |
| 08:41.07 | valdyn | yzT: see my experiment, you can extend that to test mv |
| 08:41.11 | blackflow | valdyn: I think "d1 d2 d3 missing" should work because 10 is 1-disk fault tolerant and that's it. "d1 d2 missing missing" wouldn't work. |
| 08:42.07 | valdyn | blackflow: raid10 can lose 2 disks, just not 2 random disks |
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| 08:43.11 | blackflow | valdyn: yes, but if I do just one missing, it doesn't matter if it's sriped mirrors or a mirror of stripes, which was my original concern. Ah anyway, testing time! |
| 08:44.21 | valdyn | blackflow: https://www.suse.com/documentation/sles10/stor_admin/data/raidmdadmr10cpx.html |
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| 08:44.46 | blackflow | valdyn: reading that very article already, thanks! it explains the difference well. |
| 08:45.26 | blackflow | it suggests I can start with 2 disks only whic might imply it's a mirror of stripes. |
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| 08:49.47 | valdyn | blackflow: you should start degraded probably |
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| 08:50.05 | valdyn | blackflow: reshaping is probably alot more expensive time-wise |
| 08:50.17 | blackflow | valdyn: degraded was what I meant, I just used the wrong word (partial) |
| 08:50.19 | future28 | I have a 1920x1080p monitor. My x1 carbon screen looks normal but everything on the monitor looks massive - How can I resolve this? |
| 08:50.52 | valdyn | future28: both have a dpi setting |
| 08:51.25 | future28 | valdyn: In software? I'm using gnome3, unsure where to modify it |
| 08:52.11 | valdyn | future28: i cant say how well gnome supports this, however you can set dpi using xrandr --dpi |
| 08:52.57 | valdyn | xdpyinfo | grep -i dots |
| 08:53.40 | future28 | valdyn: Not sure which monitor it returned but it is 96x96 |
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| 08:53.55 | valdyn | future28: thats not a hidpi value |
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| 08:55.13 | future28 | valdyn: Right, so what does this mean? |
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| 08:55.55 | valdyn | future28: you didnt tell us what resolution and size your screen is but |
| 08:56.24 | valdyn | future28: when something is large on one screen and small on the other, then physical dpi values have to be different |
| 08:56.51 | valdyn | future28: maybe 90 on your big screen, maybe 160 on your small screen, i can hardly know |
| 08:56.53 | future28 | valdyn: It's a 14 inch ultrabook with a 2560x1440 and outputting to a 1920x1080 22 inch via hdmi |
| 08:57.16 | valdyn | future28: so, set the real dpi values |
| 08:57.36 | future28 | valdyn: With xrandr? |
| 08:57.52 | valdyn | future28: xrandr --dpi 90/DVI-0-0; xrandr --xpi 160/DVI-1-1 (thats an example, not your screens ) |
| 08:58.17 | future28 | valdyn: Eight, I just need to know what my screens are, how can I find out? |
| 08:58.31 | valdyn | future28: you could use a ruler |
| 08:58.42 | valdyn | future28: yardstick, whatever |
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| 08:58.49 | future28 | valdyn: I mean the DVI-0-0 part |
| 08:58.53 | valdyn | future28: just run xrandr |
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| 08:59.27 | valdyn | future28: xrandr also shows which screen size it assumes |
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| 08:59.43 | valdyn | future28: if that size is already correct, then theres probably nothing you can do |
| 09:00.07 | future28 | valdyn: yes it is correct |
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| 09:00.30 | future28 | 'So I either need giant 1920x1080p second screen with normal size laptop, or tiny laptop and normal sized second screen? :( |
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| 09:00.52 | valdyn | future28: yea |
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| 09:01.23 | future28 | Damn.. well my other problem was if I plug my onelink dock in, I get no internet as i assume it is trying to use the docks connection which is not plugged in. |
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| 09:02.27 | valdyn | "Under X11, GNOME currently supports only a single, global scale factor. For Wayland, we plan to have per-monitor scaling." |
| 09:02.52 | future28 | valdyn: Ah, I see. No worries. thanks. |
| 09:03.26 | bjorn` | Why, after 4-5 years, is 'planning' still the keyword every time I hear about wayland? |
| 09:04.00 | mucek4 | I have debian server set up with exim. However every email I send from console using "mail" command get's rejected as exim does not allow "unqualified domain as sender" - my email is for example "www-data@" How can I add a domain name by default to "mail" command |
| 09:05.53 | trewas | bjorn`: there has been no major (monetary) push to get it ready, maybe it was further slowed by canonical first telling they'd start using it in some version and then writing something similar on their own instead |
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| 09:09.51 | debn00b | is debian live supposed to be "undefined" after switching to testing release? |
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| 09:10.55 | debn00b | undefined as in anything can happen because package changes can create issues with the live envoroment? |
| 09:11.24 | debn00b | or am i supposed to be able to use testing with live? |
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| 09:14.09 | jelly | debn00b: anything can happen with testing after the unfreeze, this isn't specific to live |
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| 09:15.39 | debn00b | my live usb keeps breaking :( |
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| 09:16.21 | nivw | ok I can't get dnsmasq to run well after the interface usb0 is up |
| 09:16.36 | nivw | I tried if-pre-up.d |
| 09:18.17 | debn00b | im getting error messages when i try to boot up using persistence which ell me Id "1" is respawning too quickly |
| 09:18.30 | debn00b | and that it has no more processes at certain runlevel |
| 09:18.56 | nivw | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:19.14 | nivw | mjt: any idea what is wrong? |
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| 09:19.45 | fraff | nivw: I would have tried in post-up and note nothing will be executed after "exec" |
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| 09:20.15 | mjt | nivw: wrong? what's wrong? |
| 09:20.34 | nivw | dnsmasq is not running |
| 09:21.11 | mjt | how about asking what dnsmask thinks? |
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| 09:21.50 | nivw | dnsmasq fails as usb0 does not exist |
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| 09:22.33 | mjt | but you have `ip addr show' before that? |
| 09:23.01 | nivw | I will try fraff advice move it to /etc/network/if-post-up.d |
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| 09:24.37 | fraff | nivw: and why dont you use /etc/init.d/dnsmasq script to reload it ? |
| 09:25.01 | nivw | cause I allready have one dnsmasq running on the system |
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| 09:25.43 | valdyn | now why would you need 2? |
| 09:26.04 | fraff | for fun ? |
| 09:26.18 | valdyn | if you're into masochism |
| 09:26.19 | nivw | I got two network device: eth0 and wlan0 |
| 09:26.42 | nivw | sorry usb0 and wlan0_ap |
| 09:27.03 | nivw | usb0 serves dhcp when usb is connected |
| 09:27.16 | fraff | nivw: you can have dnsmasq to manage 2 differents networks |
| 09:27.30 | nivw | wlan0_ap is an access point script that runs and then I need to serve dhcp on that device |
| 09:27.44 | nivw | I am fine running two dnsmasq |
| 09:27.49 | nivw | this is not waht I asked |
| 09:28.13 | nivw | I asked why I am always runnin gthe script and getting the device is not UP |
| 09:28.20 | nivw | and dnsmasq fails |
| 09:28.28 | fraff | nivw: because you run it in PRE up |
| 09:28.35 | fraff | it's not up yet |
| 09:28.40 | nivw | I move it to POST |
| 09:29.06 | nivw | the line ip addr show usb0|grep -q inet || exit 0 casued the script to end |
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| 09:30.28 | fraff | and so ? ip addr show usb0 > /tmp/output.txt and will figure out why |
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| 09:32.29 | nivw | yep, I am on it |
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| 09:38.42 | yei | hola |
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| 09:49.23 | d3lphi | hello all. I have upgrade from Wheezy to Jessie by replacing the word "wheezy" by "jessie" in my sources.list, then "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade". It took some while but finally it finished. Now I cannot login any more, after reboot there is no login window, just a cursor blinking |
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| 09:49.52 | buu | d3lphi: What happens if you use the terminal? |
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| 09:50.40 | d3lphi | buu: actually I am logged in only through terminal. As I don't get a login window I had to press ALT-F1 for switching to tty1, and there I logged in with my username and now I am just using the irc chat client :/ |
| 09:50.56 | buu | ok |
| 09:50.59 | buu | does dmesg say anything? |
| 09:51.06 | buu | *unusual |
| 09:51.26 | nivw | fraff: the script is not ran when putting it in /etc/network/if-post-up.d/dnsmasq_usb0 |
| 09:51.30 | buu | Also check Xorg.log |
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| 09:51.54 | nivw | and adding the line: post-up /etc/network/if-post-up.d/dnsmasq_usb0 in /etc/network/interfaces under the device |
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| 09:52.31 | d3lphi | buu: dmesg says a lot :) but nothing relevant that points to my issue :) |
| 09:52.37 | d3lphi | let me check xorg |
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| 09:54.04 | d3lphi | buu: I am searching for "WW" in xorg.0.log, and the first entry I did find is "The directory /usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic does not exist". But I suppose that's not important at that time... |
| 09:54.31 | d3lphi | The next WW entry says: "Warning, couldn't open module nv" |
| 09:54.52 | buu | d3lphi: Any others? |
| 09:55.06 | d3lphi | Falling back to old probe method for modesetting |
| 09:55.17 | d3lphi | Falling back to old probe method for fbdev |
| 09:55.30 | d3lphi | Loading sub module "fbdevhw" |
| 09:55.44 | buu | d3lphi: Do you have a video card? What module do you normally use with it? |
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| 09:55.52 | d3lphi | Falling back to old probe method for vesa |
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| 09:56.07 | d3lphi | good question :/ |
| 09:56.42 | buu | d3lphi: what does 'sudo modprobe nv' say? |
| 09:56.53 | d3lphi | lspci |grep -i vga says I have a nvidia G98 GeForce 8400 GS Rev. 2 installed |
| 09:57.04 | d3lphi | hates sudo |
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| 09:57.09 | buu | uh |
| 09:57.10 | buu | ok |
| 09:57.18 | d3lphi | modprobe nv not found |
| 09:57.24 | buu | could be a problem |
| 09:57.27 | d3lphi | there is no such a module |
| 09:57.31 | buu | try uh |
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| 09:58.15 | buu | d3lphi: apt-get install nvidia-detect |
| 09:58.17 | buu | er |
| 09:58.20 | buu | d3lphi: apt-get install nvidia-driver |
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| 09:58.49 | d3lphi | just a sec, brb |
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| 10:02.09 | buu | uh |
| 10:02.12 | buu | Why is this so complicated |
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| 10:04.09 | buu | seriously |
| 10:04.24 | buu | Why do I have to create an xorg.conf file by hand after installing a deb package |
| 10:04.57 | GPenguin | good question |
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| 10:06.09 | GPenguin | maybe because the default way of doing things is the nouveau driver which is free |
| 10:06.37 | buu | Sure but I'm pretty sure someone invented package install scripts |
| 10:06.48 | buu | d3lphi: actually try xserver-xorg-video-nouveau first |
| 10:07.32 | d3lphi | buu: have to reboot, brb in a sec |
| 10:07.43 | buu | ! |
| 10:07.46 | buu | go faster |
| 10:09.15 | GPenguin | wasnt there a nvidia-settings application that could create a proper xorg.conf? |
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| 10:10.51 | d3lphi | back... well, I already had xserver-xorg-video-nouveau installed |
| 10:11.02 | d3lphi | buu: any other clues? |
| 10:11.33 | buu | uh |
| 10:11.40 | buu | one second |
| 10:12.22 | d3lphi | I have some errors in syslog from "systemd" and "dbus" and "console-kit-daemon" |
| 10:12.25 | buu | d3lphi: try removing it with --purge and reinstalling it |
| 10:13.50 | d3lphi | ok |
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| 10:15.40 | buu | d3lphi: then look for nouveau or nv in your lsmod |
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| 10:21.39 | Iridos | buu, you don't have to. there is no xorg.conf file because everything is supposed to be autodetected by X thesse days |
| 10:22.41 | buu | Iridos: Which is why I'm so confused by these instructions on the wiki |
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| 10:22.51 | mjt | how one can re-enable normal ScrollLock LED function after loading X? When X is started, this led stops working... |
| 10:23.09 | Iridos | the wiki depends on the enthusiasm of people to register and edit wiki pages... |
| 10:23.17 | Iridos | i.e. some are great, most are a bit dated |
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| 10:24.30 | hwxmbsw | sorry, anyone with xen experience wants to help me ? |
| 10:24.36 | valdyn | mjt: the key works fine, but nothing uses it |
| 10:24.48 | mjt | valdyn: I want the LED not the key :) |
| 10:24.51 | GPenguin | do you still need to blacklist the nouveau driver? |
| 10:24.52 | vyadhaka | what is the recommended image hosting site that does not use non-free javascript, I posted a link to an image with console errors to the mailing list and one of them replied by asking to repost with a link from site that uses free javascript, any suggestions |
| 10:24.55 | valdyn | mjt: (I just assume that the program would also set the led) |
| 10:25.21 | mjt | when I press ScrollLock KEY while not in X, it lits the led or turns it off |
| 10:25.34 | mjt | but after loading X that key does nothing anymore |
| 10:25.36 | valdyn | mjt: yea, thats the linux console talking to it |
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| 10:25.58 | mjt | (my keyboard has a backlight tied to scroll lock LED) |
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| 10:26.09 | valdyn | mjt: yes, I understand what you mean |
| 10:26.26 | valdyn | mjt: im saying that the led is not triggered by the keyboard but by the computer |
| 10:26.32 | mjt | this keyboard works fine in windows, in macos but not in linux :) |
| 10:26.41 | mjt | i see |
| 10:26.47 | mjt | hence my question |
| 10:27.06 | mjt | I guess it can be done using setxkbmap or something |
| 10:27.26 | valdyn | http://askubuntu.com/questions/127167/how-do-i-enable-scroll-lock |
| 10:27.28 | mjt | I just don't understand why the standard function has to be done to start with, and HOW can this be done |
| 10:27.41 | mjt | hmm |
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| 10:28.07 | valdyn | mjt: for this to work properly your xterm would need to explicitely support it |
| 10:28.19 | mjt | xterm? |
| 10:28.31 | valdyn | mjt: or whatever program you want to react to scroll lock |
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| 10:28.54 | mjt | I don't want any program to react to it, i want the kbd backlight to work regardless of any program |
| 10:29.06 | mjt | while in gdm login screen too |
| 10:29.15 | mjt | (and especially there actually) |
| 10:30.40 | valdyn | mjt: at the bottom, that should work (the link i gave) |
| 10:30.42 | midori-rus | hello where. I have a problem with a server on debian. Sometimes server going to reboot. There are php5+mysql5+apache on my server. I have checked /var/log/messages. The log http://paste.org.ru/?dqyeoc |
| 10:31.09 | midori-rus | I guess that the problem related to memory |
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| 10:32.02 | valdyn | midori-rus: the log sais that someone ran "shutdown" |
| 10:32.35 | fraff | like a joke in random cron |
| 10:33.12 | valdyn | midori-rus: move the shutdown program away temporarily, see what you get then |
| 10:33.24 | midori-rus | valdyn is it possible to find the proccess which does it? |
| 10:33.48 | mjt | valdyn: somehow I missed that one while tried to search for that. Thank you for googling for me, I'll try that. |
| 10:33.52 | valdyn | midori-rus: yes of course |
| 10:35.05 | midori-rus | valdyn could tell me the way how to debug it? I must find the reason of reboot |
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| 10:35.52 | fraff | midori-rus: replace reboot with a shell script that env > /tmp/output.$DATE for exemple |
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| 10:36.57 | d3lphi | I have reinstalled xserver-xorg-video-nouveau after I purged it, I have installed gdm3, gnome-core, xserver-xorg and still no luck :( |
| 10:37.09 | d3lphi | I suspect that systemd is making trouble here? |
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| 10:39.15 | mjt | valdyn: you pushed me into right direction apparently. There's another file, /usr/share/X11/xkb/compat/ledscroll , which defines the rules. I think it can be used to return normal scrolllock behavour using regular setxkbmap command line |
| 10:39.25 | d3lphi | in my syslog the [kernel] is reporting ==> nouveau W[ DRM] failed to create encoder 0/1/0: -19 |
| 10:39.52 | d3lphi | the following line says TV-1 has no encoders, removing |
| 10:40.00 | d3lphi | I don't know if thats important for my issue |
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| 10:42.02 | d3lphi | in my opinion the vga driver is loading fine... then I see a warning line in syslog which says: "gdm3[1340]: Failed to give slave programs access to the display. Trying to proceed." |
| 10:42.24 | d3lphi | console-kit-daemon[1739]: (process:1806): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_slice_set_config: assertion 'sys_page_size == 0' failed |
| 10:42.59 | d3lphi | systemd[2147]: Failed at step NAMESPACE spawning /usr/lib/colord/colord: Operation not permitted |
| 10:43.16 | d3lphi | systemd[2187]: Failed at step NAMESPACE spawning /usr/lib/rtkit/rtkit-daemon: Operation not permitted |
| 10:43.25 | d3lphi | systemd[1]: Failed to start RealtimeKit Scheduling Policy Service. |
| 10:43.32 | d3lphi | systemd[1]: Unit rtkit-daemon.service entered failed state. |
| 10:43.41 | d3lphi | dbus[827]: [system] Failed to activate service 'org.freedesktop.ColorManager': timed out |
| 10:43.50 | d3lphi | dbus[827]: [system] Failed to activate service 'org.freedesktop.RealtimeKit1': timed out |
| 10:43.52 | midori-rus | fraff what do you mean? |
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| 10:43.56 | valdyn | d3lphi: just reinstall |
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| 10:44.01 | d3lphi | for me it looks like dbus/systemd is making trouble |
| 10:44.05 | d3lphi | how can I solve that? |
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| 10:45.40 | d3lphi | do I need dbus and systemd both installed, how can I reinstall them, what is best to try at this stage? |
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| 10:49.14 | fraff | midori-rus: to figure out where that shutdown comes from, replace /sbin/shutdown whith a shell script that sends informations to you (/usr/bin/env | mail -s shutdown you@home.tld) |
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| 10:52.58 | mjt | fraff: mail is the best way here ;) |
| 10:53.16 | mjt | (how about putting the same to some file in /tmp/ for example? :) |
| 10:53.53 | midori-rus | fraff, I think it is but idea to replace /sbin/shutdown |
| 10:54.00 | midori-rus | bad idea* |
| 10:54.16 | mjt | not really |
| 10:54.21 | fraff | mjt: good idea |
| 10:54.35 | mjt | it is a usual practice to do that as a temp hack to figure out something |
| 10:54.49 | mjt | you rename it to shutdown.real and rename it back when done |
| 10:55.09 | mjt | however I highly doubt it is the shutdown command which is being called here |
| 10:55.26 | mjt | systemd has several options to initiate shutdown |
| 10:55.49 | mjt | and /sbin/shutdown is just a compatibility wrapper |
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| 10:55.56 | midori-rus | as I understood the server reboots when memory is too low |
| 10:56.26 | mjt | heh |
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| 10:57.09 | fraff | midori-rus: I think the kernel would kill some process if it need more memory |
| 10:57.29 | mjt | that's oom killer |
| 10:57.55 | mjt | when overcommit is enabled, which is not a good setting for a server usually |
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| 10:58.06 | midori-rus | fraff yeah, but this does not happen |
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| 11:10.00 | vroomfondel | is there a security reason for root not having a ".local" directory in its home? |
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| 11:12.59 | themill | vroomfondel: ~/.local is made by programs that need it for configuration -- if there's nothing that needs it, it won't exist |
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| 11:13.22 | vroomfondel | themill: ok, then gedit isn't clever enough to do that itself |
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| 11:14.32 | vroomfondel | themill: which leads me to my main question: I am trying to install a backport kernel because my wifi-chipset isn't supported in Wheezy |
| 11:14.46 | midori-rus | I guess that problem in ip_conntrack |
| 11:15.40 | vroomfondel | themill: alas, if I add the wheezy-backport to apt/sources.conf , aptitude doesn't find it on the server |
| 11:17.50 | themill | sources.list? |
| 11:18.02 | vroomfondel | err yes |
| 11:18.46 | themill | what have you actually got in your sources.list and have you run apt-get update? |
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| 11:24.14 | midori-rus | there is a log where my server reboots http://joxi.ru/L21jaoJuZYokAX |
| 11:24.22 | midori-rus | how to detect a problem? |
| 11:24.42 | vroomfondel | I have no problem with: "deb http://mymirror/mirror/debian wheezy contrib main non-free" |
| 11:26.15 | vroomfondel | but with "deb http://mymirror/mirror/debian/ wheezy wheezy-backports contrib main non-free" the update says "Unable to find expected entry 'wheezy-backports..." |
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| 11:28.21 | vroomfondel | the mirror server has 'wheezy' and 'wheezy-backports' as siblings in the directory tree. It seems that apt-get is looking for the backports under the wheezy directory, no? |
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| 12:13.24 | donofrio | Cortex A17 - arm - where are images stored (or iso's) |
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| 12:14.36 | qis | Hi, any idea what this gdb output might mean: __strcmp_sse2_unaligned () at ../sysdeps/x86_64/multiarch/strcmp-sse2-unaligned.S:29 |
| 12:14.46 | qis | The application works fine on one system and crashes on another. |
| 12:15.27 | buu | Looks processor specific |
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| 12:15.58 | qis | buu: I built the application on the live server just to be sure. Same result. |
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| 12:16.59 | buu | Do they have the same cpus? |
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| 12:17.54 | qis | Probably not but the server nerver had any problems before. I'm pretty sure that this is a VM. |
| 12:18.03 | qis | (hosted by 1und1.de) |
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| 12:21.13 | l3archos | Hi all. When I run "Xorg -configure && X -config /root/xorg.conf.new" I get only a black screen in tty7 displayed, I suppose that isn't normal behaviour, right? The tty1 where I executed the last command says: "Warnin: Type "ONE_LEVEL" has 1 levels, but <RALT> has 2 symbols, Ignoring extra symbold". That's all. What is wrong here? |
| 12:21.30 | valdyn | qis: that paste is useless unless you hit a common error that can be googled directly... |
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| 12:22.50 | jelly | qis: is it possible the emulated vm cpu does not support sse2 insn set at all? |
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| 12:23.53 | l3archos | Hi all. When I run "Xorg -configure && X -config /root/xorg.conf.new" I get only a black screen in tty7 displayed, I suppose that isn't normal behaviour, right? The tty1 where I executed the last command says: "Warnin: Type "ONE_LEVEL" has 1 levels, but <RALT> has 2 symbols, Ignoring extra symbold". That's all. What is wrong here? |
| 12:24.25 | valdyn | l3archos: its normal behaviour |
| 12:24.42 | valdyn | l3archos: though the mouse should work on that black screen I think |
| 12:24.55 | l3archos | doesnt :( |
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| 12:26.17 | valdyn | l3archos: whats the problem with X and no xorg.conf at all? |
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| 12:27.25 | qis | valdyn: yeah, I tried googling before I came here. ^_^ |
| 12:27.29 | l3archos | just trying to figure out, why I don't get any login screen any more after upgrade wheezy-->jessie :( I already purged and reinstalled quite a lot of stuff (policykit, consolekit, xorg, xserver, gdm3, gnome-session, gnome-core, systemd, dbus, dbus-x11) still get NO login screen after reboot or when manually starting X |
| 12:27.52 | qis | Found out that only specific actions cause this error, trying to narrow it down. |
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| 12:28.05 | valdyn | qis: thats not my point - get the whole stack trace, not just 1 line |
| 12:28.46 | qis | nevermind me, found it |
| 12:30.02 | qis | a collegue (javascript dev) littered my code with strcmp |
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| 12:37.13 | Brigo | l3archos, check /var/log/Xorg.0.log, or paste it in paste.debian.net |
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| 12:43.14 | qis | apparently std::sort can crash when the comparison function object returns int. |
| 12:43.39 | gr33n7007h | can some one help me out when i press pound sign it gives me ? |
| 12:43.58 | yzT | l3archos, nvidia card? If you used nvidia-xconfig to enable the driver, rename the XF86... file (something like that) for xorg.conf |
| 12:44.01 | qis | gr33n7007h: console or xorg? |
| 12:44.10 | gr33n7007h | qis: console |
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| 12:44.55 | yzT | valdyn, my problem earlier was easier that what I thought... there was an option in transmission to configure the umask.... xDD |
| 12:45.00 | qis | gr33n7007h: Hmm, not sure it supports the pound sign. |
| 12:45.21 | qis | gr33n7007h: Try setting a unicode font. |
| 12:45.32 | gr33n7007h | qis: lemme try |
| 12:46.36 | gr33n7007h | no luck |
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| 12:46.57 | qis | gr33n7007h: And what's your locale? |
| 12:47.17 | gr33n7007h | qis: en_US.UTF-8 |
| 12:47.22 | qis | gr33n7007h: Do you see the sign when you cat(1) a file? |
| 12:47.34 | emorris | Hi, I have an issue with NM not asking for WiFi passwords. I'm running a headless-ish box, and am wanting to configure NetworkManager via SSH with X forwarding. I'm not running a DM, but am running stalonetray and NM with gksudo. I can connect to wired networks, but with WiFi I never get asked for the password. Any ideas? |
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| 12:48.42 | gr33n7007h | qis: no |
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| 12:50.35 | qis | gr33n7007h: Then it must be a console font + locale combination. |
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| 12:51.38 | gr33n7007h | qis: i've tried a few different unicode fonts with no avail |
| 12:52.02 | gr33n7007h | qis: thanks for your help anyway |
| 12:53.41 | qis | gr33n7007h: even the font from sun? |
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| 12:55.39 | gr33n7007h | qis: could it be encoding issue? |
| 12:56.21 | qis | gr33n7007h: Depends on the encoding of your files and your locale. |
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| 12:56.44 | qis | Nowdays every PC should be UTF-8, so I doubt that. |
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| 13:03.47 | anddam | I'm installing stable now and I'd like to install another system at later time, does using LVM make any difference in that? |
| 13:04.15 | anddam | does LVM override MBR partitioning or is it a logical partitioning inside of that? |
| 13:04.38 | valdyn | anddam: lvm sits in a block device |
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| 13:05.16 | valdyn | anddam: to leave space for the boot manager usually that block device is common partition |
| 13:05.39 | anddam | "common partition" ? |
| 13:05.46 | qis | anddam: It is a lot easier to resize existing partitions with LVM |
| 13:05.51 | valdyn | anddam: whatever mechanism creates your sda1 |
| 13:05.58 | frostschutz | anddam, usually you have disk->partition->(raid)->(luks)->lvm->filesystem |
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| 13:06.12 | anddam | valdyn: not sure to follow, that's just labeling by the kernel |
| 13:06.13 | valdyn | anddam: partitions as im talking about are containers that your bios knows about, theres a few different types |
| 13:06.47 | valdyn | anddam: yea, sda1 is "just a label" but its used only for partitions |
| 13:06.59 | anddam | for a MBR partition |
| 13:07.04 | valdyn | anddam: or gpt |
| 13:07.25 | anddam | yes, GUID inherits from MBR IIRC |
| 13:07.35 | anddam | but I install systems very seldom |
| 13:07.49 | valdyn | anddam: the commonality between those setups is that they are known by your bios, lvm is not |
| 13:08.01 | anddam | ok, that I understand |
| 13:08.34 | valdyn | anddam: so, if you can boot 1 system (due to your bios recognising it), then you can also boot another and a third (if space on the disk permits) |
| 13:08.49 | anddam | the point is want to install debian now and later openbsd in dual boot, I need to reserve a primary partition for that (obsd will do its slicing inside that partition) |
| 13:09.19 | anddam | valdyn: ok, because the firmware will load the first stage and that will in turn chain to the logical partition inside |
| 13:09.20 | valdyn | anddam: so just leave space for (or create) the container that bsd needs |
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| 13:09.58 | anddam | ok, how's the support for resizing partitions once the system is already setup? |
| 13:10.12 | valdyn | anddam: partitions cannot be easily resized |
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| 13:10.17 | anddam | if I go "use full disk" now can I (easily) resize at later stage |
| 13:10.20 | anddam | oh I see |
| 13:10.22 | valdyn | anddam: no |
| 13:10.30 | anddam | I'll just cut it now |
| 13:11.17 | valdyn | anddam: ideally you might want something like lvm that openbsd can handle, but that probably does not exist |
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| 13:12.08 | anddam | valdyn: what for? |
| 13:12.22 | valdyn | anddam: easy resize |
| 13:12.29 | anddam | oh, ok |
| 13:12.41 | anddam | I thought as general rule. No I'm slicing the disk now |
| 13:12.53 | anddam | 50GB should be more than enough for a end user system |
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| 13:15.14 | sigdk | hi all. Ifconfig does not show wlan0 (and ofc I cannot connect with wireless). Any idea how to fix that ? |
| 13:15.41 | ChrisH | anddam: shrinking any filesystem is most times pretty ugly. increasing is easy |
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| 13:16.02 | anddam | I haven't installed in a while, do I need to setup a swap partition nowadays? |
| 13:16.13 | anddam | this is and end-user home system with 4gb RAM |
| 13:16.24 | valdyn | anddam: you dont need to, you probably should |
| 13:16.35 | anddam | same size as phys memory? |
| 13:16.39 | valdyn | anddam: yea |
| 13:17.00 | valdyn | anddam: suspend to disk |
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| 13:17.24 | ChrisH | anddam: I still recommend to set swap the same size as RAM |
| 13:17.25 | valdyn | anddam: other than that I rather have processes die quickly before swapping |
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| 13:18.15 | m0rd3cai | Does anyone know how to disable suspend on lid close in Jessie? |
| 13:18.26 | m0rd3cai | Its not the same as wheezy :-/ |
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| 13:19.59 | valdyn | m0rd3cai: is it not the scripts in /etc/acpi/ ? |
| 13:20.14 | anddam | oh i have to manually create an EFI partition |
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| 13:20.21 | anddam | is there a recommenend size? |
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| 13:20.42 | anddam | (this is the third time I redo partitions in installer ncurses) |
| 13:20.55 | csharp | hi - I'm working on packaging some software for Debian and I was wondering - is it expected that you would need to actually install the software onto the build server? the software's makefile is assuming that certain directories exists and dpkg-buildpackage fails when they don't actually exist on the build host |
| 13:20.59 | themill | m0rd3cai: I gather you can have acpid and systemd disagreeing over who should do what |
| 13:21.08 | themill | s/systemd/logind/ |
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| 13:22.50 | sigdk | hi all. Ifconfig does not show wlan0 (and ofc I cannot connect with wireless). Any idea how to fix that ? |
| 13:23.20 | m0rd3cai | Thanks themill, i just found reference to logind.conf which solved it :-) |
| 13:23.26 | m0rd3cai | on google* |
| 13:23.30 | Toofle | do you have a new install of debian sigdk ? |
| 13:23.49 | Toofle | fresh* |
| 13:23.51 | m0rd3cai | Valdyn: no, not in jessie. That was the first place I looked because that solved it in wheezy |
| 13:24.25 | anddam | can I have the swap partition as LVM volume? |
| 13:24.43 | m0rd3cai | in Jessie its /etc/systemd/logind.conf |
| 13:24.58 | anddam | i.e. keep just 3 partitions, 1 EFI, 1 Debian and 1 OBSD and then Debian and OBSD will logically slice their partition in volumes |
| 13:25.00 | chl_ | sigdk: does 'ifconfig -a' show your interface ? If yes, probably bad config or laptop switch on 'off'. If no, firmware, driver (or, sometime, laptop switch on off too :) |
| 13:25.12 | sigdk | Toofle, it's been some time... but now I need to use the wireless |
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| 13:26.24 | Toofle | You should try to update your firmware |
| 13:26.33 | Toofle | it's possible debian doesn't recognise your wlan |
| 13:26.46 | Toofle | i had the same problem and had to update / upgrade using a ethernet cable |
| 13:26.49 | sigdk | chl_, ifconfig -a doesn't show wlan0. There is a led on the the laptop with a wifi logo and it's illuminating. |
| 13:26.56 | Toofle | before i could use wlan |
| 13:27.06 | sigdk | chl_, can I install (again) the firmware/driver ? |
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| 13:29.20 | sigdk | Toofle, how do I update my firmware ? |
| 13:29.38 | chl_ | sigdk: you probably should. Don't forget to try the wifi button now and then (sliding button on the side of your laptop, Fn + F3 on some models, ...) |
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| 13:30.45 | chl_ | lspci / lsusb. Get your model info and check which package you need (probably firmware-iwlwifi on an Intel system) |
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| 13:32.05 | ohithere | anddam: yes, you can. |
| 13:32.14 | sigdk | chl_, I got this: 02:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Wireless 7260 (rev 73) |
| 13:33.28 | themill | That doesn't appear to have any kernel module that will claim it |
| 13:34.06 | chl_ | sigdk: try the Jessie package https://packages.debian.org/jessie/firmware-iwlwifi |
| 13:34.18 | anddam | ohithere: ah too late, I entered the LVM menu, couldn't figure what it wanted and went with straight partitions |
| 13:34.22 | anddam | ohithere: thanks anyway |
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| 13:35.08 | anddam | in the installer what's the "File server" software selection? I figure samba and what else? |
| 13:35.10 | sigdk | chl_, firmware-iwlwifi is already installed. How can I check its version ? |
| 13:35.16 | ohithere | anddam: no worries. |
| 13:35.23 | SynrG | anddam: packages.debian.org will tell you |
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| 13:35.32 | anddam | can I query dpkg/dselect for that? |
| 13:35.37 | SynrG | yeah |
| 13:35.41 | SynrG | task-file-server |
| 13:35.46 | anddam | how are those "groups" called? |
| 13:35.53 | anddam | I'm lacking the terms here |
| 13:36.01 | anddam | sh*t I hit "go back" instead of install |
| 13:36.07 | chl_ | sigdk: apt-cache show package-name |
| 13:36.10 | SynrG | they should have obvious names prefixed 'task-' |
| 13:36.56 | anddam | SynrG: https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/task-file-server yep |
| 13:36.57 | SynrG | anddam: when in doubt, don't install the task, and investigate/install exactly what you need afterwards. |
| 13:37.14 | anddam | SynrG: I'm short on time (altho' I actually have fun doing this) |
| 13:37.21 | SynrG | usually easier than installing too much and later cleaning up the mess |
| 13:37.41 | sigdk | chl_, yeah, I have it... do I need to load something ? |
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| 13:38.09 | SynrG | if you don't have much time, punting every question to #debian isn't exactly ... efficient ;) |
| 13:38.29 | SynrG | just make your best guess and come back at it later |
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| 13:39.10 | SynrG | after partitioning, most things can be changed after the fact. |
| 13:39.20 | SynrG | s/changed/easily changed/ |
| 13:39.30 | chl_ | sigdk: "load something ?" -> I don't understand the question. Does your model (7260) is in the 'apt-cache show' listing ? If not, update. If yes, well... I won't be competent. |
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| 13:40.54 | sigdk | chl_, it does show :/ |
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| 13:42.14 | chl_ | sigdk: well, sorry, can't help more. Double check the switch on your laptop and the settings in your BIOS. After that you'll need somebody else's help. |
| 13:42.17 | {xmb} | i try to boot a remote with xen but it doesnt boot it anymore, once there was hypervisor info in sysfs now not anymore, i removed in grub 10_linux for only 20_grub still |
| 13:42.27 | cy5 | what is 12h in dhcp range file dhcp-range=10.0.0.10,10.0.0.50,12h |
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| 13:42.46 | sigdk | chl_, thanks |
| 13:43.53 | cy5 | what is 12h in dhcp range file dhcp-range=10.0.0.10,10.0.0.50,12h |
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| 13:47.22 | deepblue | how to get xine? |
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| 13:48.20 | {xmb} | deepblue maybe apt-get install xine-ui works |
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| 13:48.54 | cy5 | what is 12h in dhcp range file dhcp-range=10.0.0.10,10.0.0.50,12h |
| 13:48.59 | deepblue | {xmb}: yesmthanx a lot |
| 13:49.09 | {xmb} | np |
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| 13:50.53 | lroe | Is there a way to apply package updates and not automatically restart daemons/ |
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| 13:51.44 | {xmb} | for libc maybe |
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| 13:51.55 | {xmb} | the usual .deb restarts, dunno much of a way not to do so |
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| 13:52.06 | {xmb} | due to corruption problems if u dont |
| 13:52.47 | lroe | yea, there are a few daemons that when there are updates and are automatically restarted cause outages, I was hoping there was a way that I could apply the updates and then schedule a daemon restart at a convenient time |
| 13:52.49 | fireba11 | lroe: that would leave the update not actually applied ... |
| 13:52.57 | lroe | fireba11, correct |
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| 13:53.39 | lroe | (until I restarted the daemon) |
| 13:53.42 | fireba11 | lroe: so run apt-get update at a time of your convenience? you should be at the console to fix possible problems after the update anyway |
| 13:53.43 | {xmb} | debian is like microsoft, i at least wouldnt know of a way to do so, excepts complicated coding |
| 13:54.08 | lroe | fireba11, that's the alternative |
| 13:54.20 | fireba11 | lroe: otherwise you might end up automatically shutting down the deamon without bringing it up again |
| 13:54.47 | {xmb} | as much as the computer on button, bye folks |
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| 13:56.47 | fireba11 | lroe: i use cron-apt to download updates and mail me about it and then i apply them the next morning. most restarts are so fast no user notices anyway (we got about 60 users here) |
| 13:57.17 | lroe | fireba11, I do the same, but tell me know one notices when your IRC server restarts |
| 13:57.25 | lroe | s/know/no/ |
| 13:57.37 | fireba11 | hehehe |
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| 13:59.11 | lroe | debian just released a patch for CVE-2012-1836 |
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| 14:00.17 | lroe | debian just released a fix for: CVE-2012-1836 and I didn't see the daemon listed in the list of pacakges to be updated |
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| 14:17.20 | fireba11 | lroe: what's your point? |
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| 14:34.37 | stmaher | i Guys.. I looking for the name of an old tool for linux firewalls.. It basically was an IP stats / collector in a php gui form.. it was free call ntop or something but thats not it.. |
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| 14:46.58 | asterismo | hi people |
| 14:47.13 | asterismo | i'm trying to run X applications through SSH and i can |
| 14:47.27 | asterismo | but say, i'm running an xterm |
| 14:47.50 | asterismo | i cannot launch another application from xterm into a new window |
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| 14:49.09 | asterismo | any ideas? |
| 14:49.09 | axes | hi |
| 14:49.38 | axes | I am student |
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| 14:50.26 | asterismo | nevermind, i could |
| 14:50.29 | axes | I like debian |
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| 14:51.06 | axes | that cool |
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| 14:52.10 | axes | china |
| 14:52.14 | GPenguin | axes: if you wanna hang out and chat the channel for that is #debian-offtopic |
| 14:52.26 | GPenguin | here they try to focus on support questions |
| 14:52.45 | axes | yes |
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| 14:53.58 | norc-2 | Just tried ubuntu without a response. If apt fails to install a dependency due to not enough inodes left, and thus prevents apt from purging until "apt -f install" succeeds, how do you get out of this devils circle? |
| 14:54.09 | GPenguin | !ubuntu |
| 14:54.10 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
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| 14:54.58 | norc-2 | Its still apt. |
| 14:55.12 | GPenguin | no pointless debates, please. |
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| 14:55.57 | norc-2 | Then assume it to be a hypothetical question. Im not looking for an actual solution since I just observed this behavior. |
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| 14:56.08 | norc-2 | So its curiosity, not a request for support |
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| 14:56.29 | themill | norc-2: ubuntu support is in #ubuntu. We don't do hypotheticals. |
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| 15:29.39 | fred1807 | why apt-get version of MPD is not the lastest on debian, and how to get an up to date? |
| 15:30.16 | centrx | What? |
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| 15:33.29 | fred1807 | Music Player Deamon |
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| 15:34.48 | GPenguin | fred1807: for Wheezy? have a look in backports |
| 15:35.06 | styks1980 | fred1807 either compile it yourself or use an alternative package repo |
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| 15:35.29 | fred1807 | wheezy : D |
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| 15:35.57 | fred1807 | Ok I am veery new to all this. Just started a VPS , created a instance of a Wheezy image, and trying to install things |
| 15:36.08 | fred1807 | my mpd version from apt-get is 0.16 |
| 15:36.15 | fred1807 | github is already at 0.19 |
| 15:36.24 | GPenguin | yeah, it has been a while when Wheezy was released |
| 15:36.27 | fred1807 | some automagic repo would be better |
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| 15:36.43 | fred1807 | I did apt-get update first of all |
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| 15:37.03 | centrx | ,v mpd |
| 15:37.04 | judd | Package: mpd on i386 -- squeeze: 0.15.12-1.1; wheezy: 0.16.7-2; wheezy-backports: 0.17.6-1~bpo70+1; sid: 0.19.1-1.1; jessie: 0.19.1-1.1; experimental: 0.19.9-1; sid-multimedia: 1:0.19.9-dmo2; jessie-multimedia: 1:0.19.9-dmo2 |
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| 15:47.42 | fred1807 | judd: Can I update my wheezy to Jessie, easily? |
| 15:48.00 | themill | dpkg: tell fred1807 about wheezy->jessie |
| 15:48.24 | fred1807 | My system only runs MPD, it is a headless streambox |
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| 15:49.00 | fred1807 | thanks themil |
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| 15:49.02 | kokoltop | hi guys. I'm looking for a distro to get out of my way in the coming year or so, and so I can focus on my work. Debian seems nice because of the social contract and stability. How's Debian stable (or soon to be stable Jessie) like a everyday laptop distro for writing & multimedia (movies and music)? |
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| 15:51.54 | somiaj | kokoltop: I think it works just fine. Jessie will be released soon, so except for security support it is actually really stable |
| 15:52.10 | somiaj | kokoltop: once it is released it will get security support (the hope is by the end of the month, start of may) |
| 15:52.30 | SynrG | kokoltop: "getting out of your way" is relative. misfeatures of other distros "get in the way" of some workflows. but other people aren't interested in optimizing those workflows, and value different things ... |
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| 15:53.11 | kokoltop | I mean not bothering with the system more than work. As for the DE's, I'm familiarized with the top 3. |
| 15:53.13 | SynrG | so whether you choose Debian vs. "other distro" is a matter of what are your values? what things "get in *your* way" in other distros? |
| 15:53.26 | somiaj | kokoltop: as in for how good multimedia is. For the most part it is fine. The biggest issue I think is hardware support. jessie ahs been frozen for a while, so it won't get much support for 'very new' hardware. But as long as your hardware is supported by the kernel/drivers in jessie, I think you will be happy with how it works with multimedia (unless you really need to have the latest and greatest software, then debian stable can be a bit of work ... |
| 15:53.32 | somiaj | ... to get that working) |
| 15:53.35 | SynrG | ok, so i consider "upgrade every 6 months" to be a big "get in your way" thing |
| 15:53.52 | kokoltop | I think my hw has been fully supported since 3.2 |
| 15:53.56 | kokoltop | kernel |
| 15:54.05 | kokoltop | SynrG: exactly :D |
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| 15:55.09 | kokoltop | somiaj: I need software to work, except if in the future i purchase some peripherals, but i don't have that intention currently. Oh, except my Firefox OS phone. |
| 15:55.25 | somiaj | kokoltop: https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 15:55.34 | SynrG | debian is legendary for stability. but as for predicting whether your particular multimedia needs over the next two years will continue to be met by stable or stable plus backports ... hard to say. i'm really bad at prediction. |
| 15:56.02 | somiaj | kokoltop: as long as you don't start mixing random third party software debian runs really well. If you start needing newer software, you have to be careful how you install/integrate it with debian else you will find your machine buggy to broken. |
| 15:56.14 | SynrG | yeah, see: |
| 15:56.17 | SynrG | !why not dmm |
| 15:56.17 | dpkg | The deb-multimedia.org repository was once the only way of getting good multimedia support. By the release of Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" this was mostly not true and for Debian 7 "Wheezy" this situation is even better. Libraries from dmm are known to cause incompatibilities with packages from Debian; packages may not meet the <DFSG> so are not allowed in Debian. Use dmm as a last resort; ask me about <dmm pinning> and <dmm remove>. |
| 15:57.08 | kokoltop | One more - for installation, one should now install RC2, correct? And is anyone running GNOME on jessie? |
| 15:57.19 | somiaj | kokoltop: so as longa s you are happy with all the software debian jessie provides things work really well and you shouldn't have issues. The issues I see most people run into is trying to get a pice of software installed that is not in jessie, and that road if not understanding how debian works can really break your system. |
| 15:57.45 | l3archos | hi again |
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| 15:58.47 | SynrG | kokoltop: there's no "should". until the release, the official supported way is install stable and upgrade. however, the chance of something going wrong with RC2 is slight, and it's nice if you can use it and file an installation-report afterwards |
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| 16:00.13 | SynrG | kokoltop: don't forget to read the release notes |
| 16:00.16 | SynrG | !testing |
| 16:00.16 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <jessie>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <wheezy->jessie> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging and be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
| 16:00.39 | SynrG | you can query the bot privately on those other topics |
| 16:00.47 | kokoltop | I can't seem to find the download link, could you point me in the right direction, please? |
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| 16:01.06 | SynrG | !install testing |
| 16:01.06 | kokoltop | found it, |
| 16:01.06 | dpkg | Daily built <netinst> images to install <testing> are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ . The chance of the testing installer being broken on any given day is quite high. Instead, do a minimal installation using the stable installer and ask me about <stable->testing>. Also ask me about <testing installer>, <apt-listchanges>, <d-d-a>. |
| 16:01.09 | SynrG | heh |
| 16:01.09 | kokoltop | scratch that |
| 16:01.13 | SynrG | ^^ |
| 16:01.16 | kokoltop | thanks :) |
| 16:01.48 | l3archos | i see no login screen when I reboot my machine, after I upgrade from wheezy to jessie. I am using nvidia drivers as described on wiki debian (not the nouveau ones). X seems to work fine, no errors anymore. After the boot process I see for some milliseconds a big nvidia logo on the screen and then the screen turns black and remains there. |
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| 16:02.13 | anddam | why do xen's instructions go through a debian install? http://wiki.xenproject.org/wiki/Xen_Project_Beginners_Guide#Installing_Debian |
| 16:02.28 | anddam | is it just out of convenience of are the two projects closely related? |
| 16:02.43 | somiaj | anddam: I'd ask the xenproject why they prefer debian. They wrote it after all (: |
| 16:02.50 | l3archos | when I switch with ALT-F1 to tty1 and enter "ps aux |grep X" I see the command "/usr/bin/Xorg :0 -novtswitch -background none -noreset -verbose 3 -auth /var/run/gdm3/auth-for-Debian-gdm-bIgUm5/database -seat seat0 -nolisten tcp vt7" running |
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| 16:05.08 | l3archos | when I try to force-kill that Xorg process by "kill -9 <pidofXorg>" then I get the error "gnome-shell[4043]: segfault at 8 ip 00007feeb770a8d3 sp 00007ffe8f8ca5d8 error 6 in libxkbcommon.so.0.0.0[7feeb76f1000+3a000] |
| 16:05.21 | l3archos | what's wrong here? any help really appreciated |
| 16:05.48 | anddam | somiaj: so it's just a mean of installing the xen-hypervisor-* and related packages |
| 16:06.02 | anddam | somiaj: I mean I'm fine with debian I was wondering what the relationship was |
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| 16:06.34 | anddam | also I'm thining about installing xen now, but if I install it as APT packages then it's relying on the Debian install |
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| 16:07.21 | anddam | I somehow thought I could install the dom0 in a small partition and then run two (or more) systems each in its own partition |
| 16:07.49 | jelly | l3archos: that's kind of normal, when you kill the X server, all X client apps get really confused |
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| 16:08.01 | anddam | but if I have to install xen-hypervisor-* then configure the bootloader in order to boot that kernel image the whole separation thing blurs |
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| 16:08.11 | l3archos | alright, but how can I troubleshoot my issue that I see no login screen at all ? |
| 16:08.42 | jelly | well, that segfault has nothing to do with X not working any more after that |
| 16:08.48 | somiaj | anddam: I don't know the releationship, but my suggestion was talk to xen support, maybe you'll find someone who does. |
| 16:08.50 | l3archos | I already purged and reinstalled many packages like gnome-shell, gnome-core, gdm3, xorg-server, the nvidia-drivers and all the stuff related to it |
| 16:08.54 | SynrG | l3archos: do you have multiple *dm installed? |
| 16:09.08 | l3archos | you mean desktop managers ? |
| 16:09.17 | SynrG | gdm3 plus kdm, etc. yes |
| 16:09.27 | l3archos | not that I am aware of |
| 16:09.31 | l3archos | how can I check for sure? |
| 16:09.39 | SynrG | ok. one possible source of issues, but probably already fixed |
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| 16:10.12 | nkef0 | Is there a way to print a files content in ftp? |
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| 16:16.28 | deepblue | how to make a new ~/.lircrc to take effect wothout rebooting? |
| 16:16.55 | petn-randall | deepblue: Just restart the program that sources it? It's not a system config file. |
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| 16:19.03 | deepblue | petn-randall: it's lircd daemon.so how to restart it |
| 16:19.05 | anddam | oh I see a LVM volume can span over several physical partitions |
| 16:19.29 | anddam | kind of like a flexible RAID |
| 16:19.48 | anddam | (I may be just wrong there) |
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| 16:20.12 | deepblue | petn-randall: i only can do it with systems |
| 16:20.12 | deepblue | systemd* |
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| 16:20.34 | petn-randall | deepblue: I doubt it sources ~/.lircrc, that's a user file. Daemon config is usually in /etc/. |
| 16:20.44 | petn-randall | deepblue: Are you running systemd on wheezy? |
| 16:21.19 | deepblue | petn-randall: no |
| 16:21.39 | ctmjr | deepblue: does'nt lirc provide lircd so restarting lirc should do it |
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| 16:22.31 | deepblue | ctmjr: ok,what should i type? |
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| 16:25.06 | deepblue | systemctl stop lirc and systemctl restart lirc? |
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| 16:25.45 | stacks88 | awhile back i had downlodaed php-5.4.24.tar.gz from php.net and manually compiled it (./configure;make;make install), but now i want to remove it. make uninstall doesnt seem to work, any ideas? or should i do make install, see where it installs stuff, and then manually just remove those files it installed? |
| 16:26.06 | ctmjr | thats one way yes but why would you restart it if you stopped it maybe start lirc |
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| 16:28.45 | deepblue | ctmjr: systemctl: command not found |
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| 16:29.27 | eric23 | hi, I am getting gpgv error when I do apt-get update because there is no /root/.gnupg folder |
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| 16:29.38 | ctmjr | deepblue: are you using systemd and if yes are you root? |
| 16:29.45 | evilfix_ | hella all.. i have a ppc mac mini trying to get it to run linux, ubuntu. install is fine however i have no audio |
| 16:30.19 | deepblue | i wanna the new configuratuin file to take effect but i can't reboot right now |
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| 16:30.51 | petn-randall | stacks88: You could use stow to compile a package from the make install, install the package then remove it. It should hopefully then purge all the files it created. |
| 16:31.40 | deepblue | i don't use systemd.that's exactly what i'm asking:how to do it with open rc? |
| 16:31.44 | petn-randall | stacks88: Did the 'make install' put it anywhere else than /usr/local? |
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| 16:32.25 | petn-randall | deepblue: which release of Debian are you running? |
| 16:32.52 | deepblue | wheezy 7.8 |
| 16:32.59 | beakus | Hello, my audio is not working it seems. I am using KDE. I tried alsamixer, and the kde interface...are there any other tools I can use to get the audio going? |
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| 16:34.16 | stacks88 | looks like yea /usr/local so im just gonna do make -n install > mylogfile |
| 16:34.20 | stacks88 | and then remove it that way |
| 16:34.25 | beakus | Generally, I have no problems with my audio card, but I switched a motehrboard recently... |
| 16:34.39 | beakus | But that should notbe the issue |
| 16:34.57 | petn-randall | deepblue: There's no openrc in wheezy, only sysvinit, upstart or systemd. |
| 16:35.14 | petn-randall | with sysvinit being the only one that's supported. |
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| 16:35.36 | beakus | Ahh, never mind. Fixed it. |
| 16:35.50 | beakus | Phonon has more than one switch I had to flick |
| 16:36.09 | beakus | Thanks for your help |
| 16:36.54 | ctmjr | deepblue: how did you install lirc? |
| 16:37.20 | deepblue | the normal way |
| 16:37.52 | deepblue | running apt-get install lirc |
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| 16:38.04 | peyam | Hi people |
| 16:38.22 | peyam | Ive been using Ubuntu for some years and now I decided to give Debian a shot |
| 16:38.46 | peyam | However I use SSD and I read at Debian homepage that I should have atleast Linux 3.9 |
| 16:39.01 | ctmjr | deepblue: then just do /etc/init.d/lirc restart as root that should make it find your new config file |
| 16:39.16 | peyam | I see on DW that debian 7 runs 3.2 |
| 16:39.24 | peyam | What version of debian shoudl I download? |
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| 16:40.50 | Ridley5 | hi all |
| 16:40.58 | deepblue | ctmjr: this worked ok,thanx a lot |
| 16:42.24 | peyam | anyone? |
| 16:42.27 | amcorreia | anybody have seen weird host in output of "last" command, like "x4d047f65.dyn.te"? |
| 16:43.39 | Ridley5 | i'v added some command to execute at boot in /etc/rc.local but only the first command worked, this is rc.local :http://paste.debian.net/167147/ |
| 16:43.50 | Brianith | peyam: I'm not an expert but I would recommend jessie. As I understand it, wheezy is on its way out. |
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| 16:46.29 | magyar | hi, is "update-flashplugin-nonfree" broken in jessie ? |
| 16:47.00 | anddam | I have an usb stick connected to the newly installed system |
| 16:47.17 | anddam | how can I figure what device is associated to it? |
| 16:47.35 | anddam | i see it's Bus 001 Device 002, in dmesg it's usb 1-1 |
| 16:47.48 | anddam | but I don't see any reference to device path so I don't know how to mount it |
| 16:48.01 | anddam | (it's the install media) |
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| 16:48.48 | amcorreia | Ridley5, maybe you should put this commands run in background? "&" |
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| 16:51.45 | Ridley5 | i mus put the "&" in all the command amcorreia ? |
| 16:52.02 | anddam | Ridley5: most likely the znc, unless it forks |
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| 16:52.17 | anddam | are you familiar with the shell functioning? |
| 16:52.42 | Ridley5 | the problem that znc worked on boot time anddam but not utorrent and the eggdrop |
| 16:53.07 | anddam | I was able to see the device name sdb by looking at system log and unpluggin-pluggin the stick back, but isn't there a more "appropriate" way? |
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| 16:53.19 | anddam | Ridley5: yes, that's the point of amcorreia's suggestion |
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| 16:53.42 | anddam | Ridley5: your execution of rc.local stays at the znc line until its process ends |
| 16:53.47 | Ridley5 | ok i will try that, thanks amcorreia & anddam |
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| 16:54.02 | anddam | see how the eggdrop line has the & in the string? |
| 16:54.11 | anddam | IMHO that's a bad way of starting those tho' |
| 16:54.27 | anddam | not as bad as "dirty" |
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| 17:00.28 | canvon | anddam: Perhaps the symlinks in /dev/disk/by-* ? |
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| 17:01.40 | anddam | canvon: don't seem to be helpful |
| 17:01.53 | anddam | maybe more something in /proc/usb but I'm really not that linux savvy |
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| 17:05.15 | Ridley5 | same poblem anddam :( |
| 17:05.32 | Ridley5 | the script dosent exit from the znc process |
| 17:05.41 | gr33n7007h | qis: solved the problem it had something to do with running as a login shell which i need for rvm |
| 17:06.10 | Ridley5 | i used su -c "znc &" znc |
| 17:06.32 | Ridley5 | i used su -c znc znc & |
| 17:06.47 | Ridley5 | i used these two command to try |
| 17:06.49 | amcorreia | Ridley5, put all those commands in a separate script, and test this script before put on rc.local. |
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| 17:07.01 | Ridley5 | ok i will try amcorreia |
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| 17:07.25 | amcorreia | run with "sh -x script" to debug |
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| 17:32.13 | stacks88 | does anyone here still employ /etc/hosts.deny and /etc/hosts.allow ? or i guess what im asking is, is this still considered to be secure? |
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| 17:34.40 | anddam | do contrib and non-free components only apply to wheezy lines in sources.list or to wheezy-updates and wheezy/updates as well? |
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| 17:35.34 | centrx | both |
| 17:36.31 | anddam | yep, thanks to the power of the TIAS I updated already and installed firmaware-realtek |
| 17:36.39 | anddam | was getting https://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2015/02/msg00098.html before |
| 17:36.49 | anddam | now I get a clean and neat rd |
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| 17:37.30 | anddam | btw I installed firmware-realtek by hand since I read the warning lines on update-initramfs, but is there a system tool that is suposed to look for missing driver/firmware and mark those to be installed? |
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| 17:37.58 | anddam | the point is I installed firmware-realtek by hand but I don't know if there's some other bit that's supposed to be used in conjunction and I'm missing |
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| 17:38.41 | acz32 | the debian installer should warn you when there is missing firmware and ask you if you have it |
| 17:38.57 | anddam | it didn't or I missed it (but I think I didn't see anything about that) |
| 17:39.05 | anddam | is there a factoid on Xorg? |
| 17:39.14 | acz32 | it should have asked you when you were configuring the network |
| 17:39.40 | anddam | I Installed lxde but I don't have startx, I figure it come with some other xorg-* package |
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| 17:39.51 | anddam | but I don't know how to start a X session without |
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| 17:40.01 | acz32 | did you install Xorg? |
| 17:40.23 | anddam | X starts with a black screen (that btw I don't know how to quit without going back in console and killing the process) |
| 17:40.31 | tremon | anddam: you need either a display manager (*dm) or xinit |
| 17:40.36 | anddam | xinit |
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| 17:41.22 | anddam | yep |
| 17:41.41 | acz32 | you have exec lxde in xinitrc? |
| 17:42.06 | anddam | seems so since just running startx started the lxde session |
| 17:42.14 | anddam | I guess the alternatives system is all in place |
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| 17:42.39 | acz32 | if lxde started then what's the issue? |
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| 17:45.11 | hunter | I had been experimenting with the Fish shell for the past couple of weeks as a digression from Bash, I decided that it was not POSIX-compatible enough for me to get the same functionality that I have with Bash. For the life of me I cannot get it to not be my shell anymore on Debian Jessie. I used the standard chsh command to switch back from Fish (sudo chsh -s /bin/bash), but when I log out and back in I am still running Fish. Thoughts? |
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| 17:49.16 | hunter | For some reason, chsh -s /bin/bash needs to be chsh -s /bin/bash <user> (I thought it would default to the current user) |
| 17:49.17 | anddam | acz32: that before installing xinit I couldn't init the X session |
| 17:49.27 | bezaban | hunter: check what is actually in /etc/passwd and if /bin/bash might be a symlink |
| 17:49.35 | anddam | acz32: I installed xinit as per tremon's suggestion |
| 17:49.54 | bezaban | might have to set it with update-alternatives. alternatively sudo apt-get purge fish |
| 17:50.22 | anddam | I didn't install dekstop environment at installer's taskel |
| 17:50.33 | bezaban | never experienced that with a shell though |
| 17:50.34 | anddam | now the lxde session doesn't have thing like the web browser |
| 17:50.44 | anddam | was the tasksel task supposed to install that? |
| 17:50.58 | anddam | I mean is there a task I can install now and have a "full feature" DE? |
| 17:51.01 | bezaban | oh. aha |
| 17:51.07 | hunter | bezaban: thanks, I think I was just using chsh incorrectly :| /etc/passwd no reflects what I expected |
| 17:51.14 | hunter | now* |
| 17:51.18 | bezaban | hunter: goody! :) |
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| 17:52.46 | acz32 | anddam: what do you mean by "task". apt-get install firefox. and also whatever else you want. |
| 17:53.15 | acz32 | why did you say startx doesn't work if you were able to start your DE? |
| 17:53.22 | anddam | acz32: how are the "groups" of taskel called? I've been told they are task |
| 17:53.22 | acz32 | how did you start it then |
| 17:53.39 | anddam | acz32: you are mixing the chronological order of what I sai |
| 17:53.41 | anddam | said* |
| 17:54.29 | anddam | I could start X without a proper session, I had already installed lxde so I had startlxde but no startx command; tremon suggested to install xinit, I did and with the provided startx the lxde session started right away so problem solved |
| 17:55.11 | anddam | acz32: also I didn't say startx didn't work, I said I didn't had the command |
| 17:55.17 | acz32 | i don't know what you are asking |
| 17:55.26 | acz32 | web browser? apt-get install firefox like i said |
| 17:55.43 | acz32 | iceweasel* |
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| 17:56.35 | acz32 | installing the metapackage "lxde" would have installed the software that is bundled with lxde |
| 17:56.36 | anddam | my question is if the tasksel "task" (in lack of a proper term) for the desktop environment would have actually installed a browser |
| 17:57.00 | acz32 | no |
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| 17:57.28 | anddam | acz32: https://wiki.debian.org/tasksel#Desktop_environment calls those sets "task" as well |
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| 17:57.48 | centrx | it might, e.g. konqueror |
| 17:57.57 | anddam | on lxde install disk, my bad |
| 17:58.06 | anddam | is iceweasel Debian's default? |
| 17:58.06 | acz32 | konqueror on lxde? i doubt it |
| 17:58.11 | centrx | I see |
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| 17:58.31 | acz32 | isn't that KDE's browser |
| 17:58.46 | centrx | right |
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| 18:05.39 | eric23 | does anybody know why I am getting this error from 'apt-get update': W: GPG error: ftp://carroll.aset.psu.edu wheezy Release: Unknown error executing gpgv. |
| 18:05.48 | hikenboot | I am trying to use ipsec with softvpn, I am getting an error that the command whack is not found, anyone know how to fix/ |
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| 18:08.42 | eric23 | doing an 'apt-get clean' fixed it. |
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| 18:16.25 | daniel3_ | Im having trouble finding a good guide to getting Plasma 5 installed on Debian. Anyone have any recommendations? |
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| 18:19.07 | kWO901 | Guys, I'm stuck with text mode as I need nvidia drivers. Can someone paste me the download link for the .deb for nvidia kernel 3.14.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae ? |
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| 18:20.24 | uepuejq | apt-get install elinks |
| 18:21.08 | kWO901 | uepuejq: me? |
| 18:21.48 | centrx | daniel3_, KDE 5 is not in Debian yet |
| 18:23.17 | srg | kWO901: You can use aptitude too. |
| 18:23.32 | centrx | kWO901, He's saying there are text mode web browsers like links or w3m that you can use to access the web |
| 18:23.41 | centrx | kWO901, also yes, just use the package manager |
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| 18:23.59 | kWO901 | srg: I had troubles with that. im using backports lastest kernel |
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| 18:24.10 | kWO901 | it says it cant find the package i am looking for |
| 18:24.20 | kWO901 | so i'd rather download and run the .deb |
| 18:24.36 | srg | that runs a high chance of you downloading the wrong .deb. |
| 18:25.11 | kWO901 | srg: nope. its named exactly as my 'uname -r' |
| 18:25.26 | kWO901 | i just need a way to do it from text mode, no X here |
| 18:26.13 | kWO901 | i'll install w3m and hope it works. brb |
| 18:26.25 | uepuejq | apt-get install screen |
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| 18:26.30 | uepuejq | amirite |
| 18:26.31 | verri | too late |
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| 18:35.30 | srg | Where/how can I see the available hashing functions for cryptsetup? |
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| 18:35.55 | eschmidbauer | What is the easiest way to upgrade from wheezy to jessie? |
| 18:36.04 | eschmidbauer | (using apt-get preferably) |
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| 18:37.14 | uepuejq | http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/90389/how-to-upgrade-debian-stable-wheezy-to-testing-jessie |
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| 18:37.53 | eschmidbauer | it will replaces pid 1 |
| 18:37.55 | eschmidbauer | with systemd? |
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| 18:38.10 | srg | no, you'll have to install systemd. |
| 18:38.18 | srg | (if youw ant it) |
| 18:38.34 | eschmidbauer | doesn't 8 come with systemd by default? |
| 18:38.38 | eschmidbauer | jessie that is |
| 18:38.44 | eschmidbauer | i want jessie outof the box |
| 18:38.51 | canvon | srg: /proc/crypto |
| 18:38.53 | srg | yes, but you're not installing debian 8, you're upgrading. upgrading just upgrades the packages you already have. |
| 18:39.02 | srg | canvon: Ah, thanks! |
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| 18:40.15 | xavery | is there a file containing the list of currently installed packages stored somewhere? |
| 18:41.21 | eschmidbauer | s there an iso for jessie that I could download |
| 18:42.08 | srg | canvon: Hm, my system doesn't support anything more than sha1, it seems. No sha512 or whirlpool. Is there a way to get those? |
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| 18:42.28 | canvon | xavery: I guess that would be /var/lib/dpkg/status , but better use "dpkg -l | grep ^.i" or something |
| 18:42.47 | canvon | srg: perhaps you'll have to insert the right kernel modules |
| 18:43.08 | srg | Ok, I'll look into it. Thanks! |
| 18:43.10 | canvon | srg: perhaps something from, e.g., /lib/modules/3.2.0-4-686-pae/kernel/crypto/ |
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| 18:44.18 | xavery | canvon, thanks. my root filesystem partition crashed, so I can't really use dpkg. /var was on a separate partition, so I'm trying to find out how much info I can get from there. |
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| 18:50.46 | Evropi | So I installed Firefox from Mozilla's site but urxvt now fails to open URLs with it, seemingly opening them in links2 -g (graphical mode) instead. How do I correct this behaviour? |
| 18:51.00 | kWO901 | I'm using kernel 3.16.0 ...backports. what line should i add to my sources list? |
| 18:51.21 | Evropi | the binary is currently in /opt/firefox, with a softlink to /usr/bin/firefox |
| 18:51.53 | stacks88 | How can I find out what versions of php do the current debian versions come with? I.e debian stable, what version of php does it ship? |
| 18:52.07 | stacks88 | or cna someone tell me the php version for debian stable |
| 18:52.24 | stacks88 | looks like 5.4 im guessing |
| 18:52.27 | stacks88 | https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/php5 |
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| 18:53.14 | Evropi | was about to link you to that but you beat me to it :D |
| 18:53.24 | stacks88 | lol sorry, but ye thanks |
| 18:53.27 | Evropi | just a note stacks88 |
| 18:53.42 | Evropi | a new stable will be released this year -- probably this quarter |
| 18:53.48 | stacks88 | But i can mark that php package as on hold right? |
| 18:53.53 | stacks88 | to prevent it from being going past 5.4 |
| 18:54.01 | stacks88 | i have some lame software that is requiring 5.2 minimum, but not 5.5 |
| 18:54.05 | stacks88 | so i have to use 5.4 |
| 18:54.05 | ompaul | Evropi: perhaps that might be dependant on the desktop environment or window manager |
| 18:54.25 | Evropi | yeah you can do that with dpkg, can't remember how though ;x |
| 18:54.38 | Evropi | ompaul: it's a very lightweight setup with i3wm |
| 18:54.41 | ompaul | !pinning |
| 18:54.41 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
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| 18:55.36 | Evropi | ompaul: it's more of a urxvt question than a debian question I guess, but it's only debian users who seem to use firefox from getfirefox.com |
| 18:55.47 | ompaul | Evropi: well I'd then search for url managment i3wm |
| 18:56.06 | ompaul | Evropi: no clues after that |
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| 18:56.31 | Evropi | hmm I'll give that a go, cheers |
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| 18:58.54 | kWO901 | I am trying to install nvidia for my kernel 3.16 -- it says i dont have certain dependencies, but when i tried installing them, it says no such candidate.... |
| 18:59.16 | nkuttler | kWO901: paste.debian.net command + output |
| 18:59.35 | kWO901 | nkuttler: I dont have X at all. Im stuck on text mode |
| 18:59.52 | kWO901 | nkuttler: but give me an email and i will email a photo i took with my phone |
| 18:59.57 | nkuttler | !tell kWO901 about pastebinit |
| 19:00.05 | nkuttler | please no photos.. |
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| 19:04.04 | kWO901 | nkuttler: http://picpaste.com/image-i6fgfQU0.jpg |
| 19:04.52 | xavery | what's "restaurant language.jpg"? |
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| 19:05.35 | kWO901 | xavery: the way u arrange the fork and such, to comunicate if you still eating or you're done , or if you disliked or if you liked. ;) |
| 19:05.49 | nkuttler | kWO901: you shouldn't just dpkg -i random packages. use a package manager |
| 19:06.15 | kWO901 | nkuttler: I have no X, so I am stuck with a terminal only |
| 19:06.26 | nkuttler | kWO901: no, you're not. there's apt-get, aptitude, etc |
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| 19:06.45 | centrx | kWO901, Why don't you use apt-get ? |
| 19:06.51 | acz32 | kWO901: do you know what a package manager is? |
| 19:06.56 | kWO901 | nkuttler: same stuf. same error i got , telling me about some dependencies that i dont have |
| 19:07.08 | centrx | kWO901, Use -t wheezy-backports or whatever it is |
| 19:07.09 | nkuttler | kWO901: so show us those errors. it's expected you get that with dpkg |
| 19:07.49 | nkuttler | ,v nvidia-kernel-686-pae |
| 19:07.50 | judd | Package: nvidia-kernel-686-pae on i386 -- wheezy/non-free: 304.125+3.2.0+1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 340.65+3.16.0+1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.65+3.16.0+1; sid/non-free: 340.76+3.16.0+1 |
| 19:08.18 | nkuttler | !tell kWO901 about nvidia dkms |
| 19:08.32 | nkuttler | kWO901: you probably want to do what the bot just told you |
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| 19:14.47 | kWO901 | nkuttler: and after that i should run the .deb, right? |
| 19:15.03 | nkuttler | kWO901: what do you mean? |
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| 19:15.11 | centrx | just use apt-get, it handles everything |
| 19:15.14 | centrx | it's really easy to install packages |
| 19:15.23 | centrx | you don't have to go through these hoops you're creating for yourself |
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| 19:15.36 | eschmidbauer | if i diwnload/install jessie. will i have to change anything when it moves to stable? like repos or settings? |
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| 19:15.48 | nkuttler | eschmidbauer: no. just use jessie in your sources.list |
| 19:16.05 | eschmidbauer | awesome. thanks. |
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| 19:24.53 | Pegasus_RPG | Hello. I'm setting up a Linux build server for Mixxx. We like to distribute Ubuntu packages but I prefer to run straight Debian. Does anyone know if it's sensible to build Ubuntu packages on a Debian system? |
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| 19:30.07 | SynrG | Pegasus_RPG: i imagine it could be done without any fuss using a debootstrap of your target |
| 19:30.32 | stacks88 | if i want to download debian stable, on a 64bit machine, would i be grabbing current or current-live ? http://mirrors.gigenet.com/debian-cd/ not sure what the difference is |
| 19:30.46 | stacks88 | oh current-live is a live cd i think? |
| 19:30.48 | stacks88 | or something? |
| 19:31.56 | stacks88 | n/m just gonna grab http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.8.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-7.8.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 19:34.41 | becca_KB1WRP | Hello, fresh debian wheezy install on T440s hangs at boot, blinking cursor in the upper right hand corner. Anyone have any suggestions |
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| 19:47.22 | nkuttler | becca_KB1WRP: did you complete the install? |
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| 19:49.49 | becca_KB1WRP | nkuttler: yes I did complete the install |
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| 19:50.29 | nkuttler | becca_KB1WRP: and you get no output at all? do you see the grub menu? |
| 19:51.21 | becca_KB1WRP | grub comes up, boot process seems to be happening normally, then it goes black, and I get a blinking cursor |
| 19:51.34 | becca_KB1WRP | if I plug in a usb drive I get message about the device being attached |
| 19:51.46 | becca_KB1WRP | the last line in my dmseg is "installing knfsd..." |
| 19:51.52 | nkuttler | becca_KB1WRP: while you see the blinking cursor? |
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| 19:52.19 | becca_KB1WRP | yes |
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| 19:52.31 | ompaul | becca_KB1WRP: ctrl alt F2 |
| 19:52.42 | ompaul | becca_KB1WRP: do you get a log in prompt? |
| 19:53.40 | ompaul | stacks88: get the current - not the live if you want an easier life |
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| 19:54.11 | becca_KB1WRP | I cannot switch to another terminal (ctrl-alt-f2) |
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| 19:58.46 | stacks88 | why does ubuntu have sudo and all that, but i just installed debian 7 and it doesnt? |
| 19:58.47 | PercyB | Maybe someone could just point in the right direction... there is a mobile broadband stick, which works great on jessie. however every time it's plugged in, it has to be unlocked as root. is there any way to make it "auto"? |
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| 19:59.31 | centrx | stacks88, just install sudo with apt-get install sudo |
| 19:59.33 | teraflop | stacks88: all of what? just install sudo if you want sudo |
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| 20:01.00 | zykotick9 | stacks88: fyi, if you install without a root password, you'll get sudo by default in debian as well |
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| 20:03.10 | stacks88 | how do i put my first and only user in the sudoers file ? like what is the format |
| 20:03.23 | ompaul | !sudo |
| 20:03.24 | dpkg | [sudo] (Substitute User DO) Not enabled by default on Debian systems; configure /etc/sudoers first, ask me about <visudo>, <sudoers>. sudo can give limited super user privileges to specific users, or allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root permissions, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program". See also <sudo path>. http://wiki.debian.org/sudo http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html |
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| 20:05.15 | soundtoxin | stacks88: Ubuntu just comes with more bloat than Debian. Installing sudo is painless, so I wouldn't worry about it. |
| 20:05.31 | stacks88 | got it working thx |
| 20:06.00 | iip2 | Hello, I had some problem with the php-json and made a patch but it seems it won't make it for Jessie's first release. I'm looking for advice/suggestion if it can be helped. |
| 20:06.08 | iip2 | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=780078 |
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| 20:07.01 | ompaul | v, libjson-c2 |
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| 20:07.43 | ompaul | judd version libjson-c2 |
| 20:07.44 | judd | Package: libjson-c2 on i386 -- wheezy-backports: 0.11-3~bpo7+1; jessie: 0.11-4; sid: 0.11-4 |
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| 20:09.58 | ompaul | iip2: if you don't mail the maintainer directly I doubt anything might happen, and given the lateness toward a possible release I don't think it's going to happen (release Saturday week + - 7 days unless something really unusual) |
| 20:10.05 | stacks88 | Do you guys see anything wrong with still using tcpwrappers for ssh? or should i just stop that |
| 20:10.09 | stacks88 | hosts.deny and .allow |
| 20:10.47 | ompaul | stacks88: why would you even ... (does that answer your question) if you were going to do something do it at kernel level with iptables |
| 20:10.56 | stacks88 | lol |
| 20:11.12 | stacks88 | just because my ip might drastically change and dont wanna be locked out and enjoyed the whole ssh: .myisp.com |
| 20:11.16 | stacks88 | sshd:* |
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| 20:11.30 | ompaul | then I guess ... really leave the ssh alone |
| 20:11.34 | ompaul | chuckles |
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| 20:12.48 | PercyB | sorry, connection was just interrupted. meanwhile just discovered this: https://lists.launchpad.net/desktop-packages/msg112197.html Same here: PolicyKit |
| 20:12.49 | PercyB | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:13.10 | stacks88 | ompaul nah im sure theres better solutions, have some written down, was just checkin opinions |
| 20:13.14 | zykotick9 | stacks88: you might want to have a look at fail2ban's features? |
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| 20:14.19 | ompaul | stacks88: it depends on your objective as zykotick9 said if you are looking for a ban on bad log in be savage don't let root in on ssh - and use fail2ban stops someone from war dialing very simply |
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| 20:14.35 | ompaul | missing comma |
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| 20:14.48 | ompaul | stacks88: it depends on your objective as zykotick9 said if you are looking for a ban on bad log in, also be savage don't let root in on ssh - and use fail2ban stops someone from war dialing very simply |
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| 20:20.24 | iip2 | ompaul: my fault, I didn't dare to contact the maintainer and thought some other process was launched when the maintainer didn't react. I'll give it a try now. Thanks ! |
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| 20:22.24 | ompaul | iip2: starting with dear maintainer and finishing with this package is orphaned - can I maintain it is something that happens now and again |
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| 20:27.13 | stacks88 | dumb question - im coming from using ubuntu usually, i see here that when i installed apache2 from apt-get on debian 7, it came with 2.2.22 (Debian) ?? is that really secure |
| 20:27.46 | stacks88 | im guessing so because it wouldnt be coming w/ it if it wasnt |
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| 20:28.44 | valdyn | judd: versions apache2 |
| 20:28.45 | judd | Package: apache2 on i386 -- squeeze-security: 2.2.16-6+squeeze11; squeeze: 2.2.16-6+squeeze12; squeeze-security-lts: 2.2.16-6+squeeze14; wheezy-security: 2.2.22-13+deb7u3; wheezy: 2.2.22-13+deb7u4; jessie: 2.4.10-10; sid: 2.4.10-11 |
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| 20:29.10 | buu | stacks88: What's the problem? |
| 20:29.44 | stacks88 | Just seemed outdated is all, but if its secure then thats fine |
| 20:29.47 | valdyn | stacks88: looking at the whole version string you can see like 17 updates beyond 2.2.22 |
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| 20:30.56 | stacks88 | thanks, sorry for the noobness |
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| 20:34.54 | valdyn | stacks88: debian is more like ubuntu lts than ubuntu in that regard, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS |
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| 20:35.13 | stacks88 | yeah i used to run deb years ago, then somehow got brain washed into the ubuntu wave |
| 20:35.25 | stacks88 | not sure why, i think i must just have thought it was more "up to date" somehow or something, not sure what logic i had |
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| 20:37.08 | kWO901 | I tried running "sudo apt-get install nvidia-kernel-$(uname -r)" and it says it has no instalation candidate. any clue? |
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| 20:38.15 | valdyn | kWO901: that happens unless you run the stable release kernel on the stable release (or sometimes testing) |
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| 20:38.44 | valdyn | kWO901: apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 20:38.52 | kWO901 | valdyn: i need nvidia drivers i cant use X. what can i do? |
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| 20:40.14 | valdyn | kWO901: did that work? |
| 20:40.53 | kWO901 | valdyn: i did have install the headers already, that worked fine |
| 20:41.07 | valdyn | kWO901: ok, apt-get install nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 20:41.20 | kWO901 | valdyn: i did it and it worked already |
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| 20:41.32 | valdyn | kWO901: you're done then, with the kernel part |
| 20:42.07 | kWO901 | I tried running "sudo apt-get install nvidia-kernel-$(uname -r)" and it says it has no instalation candidate. any clue? |
| 20:42.16 | kWO901 | the above command fails. |
| 20:42.19 | valdyn | kWO901: why do you repeat that? |
| 20:42.27 | valdyn | kWO901: you are already done with the kernel part |
| 20:42.55 | kWO901 | valdyn: the tutorial i am following suggest the above command as weel. which i cant run |
| 20:43.04 | valdyn | kWO901: you said the -dkms installation worked - that means that you have no use for the nvidia-kernel- package |
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| 20:43.32 | valdyn | kWO901: "lsmod | grep nvidia" gives what? |
| 20:43.34 | kWO901 | valdyn: do u say i am done with the nvidia driver install ? |
| 20:43.44 | valdyn | kWO901: no, i said you are done with the kernel part |
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| 20:43.59 | eschmidbauer | why don't debian jessie use the .ssh/authorized_keys file |
| 20:44.01 | kWO901 | valdyn: hold on |
| 20:44.06 | valdyn | eschmidbauer: it does |
| 20:44.21 | eschmidbauer | oh my bad |
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| 20:44.24 | eschmidbauer | i had wrong key in there |
| 20:44.35 | eschmidbauer | ha ha. i'll blame jessie for everything right away lol |
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| 20:45.01 | kWO901 | it didnt return anything. no error either |
| 20:45.29 | valdyn | kWO901: ok, run "modprobe nvidia" |
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| 20:46.37 | kWO901 | valdyn: same, it didnt return anything |
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| 20:47.19 | valdyn | kWO901: now the "lsmod | grep nvidia" should show it |
| 20:47.29 | valdyn | kWO901: and that means you can proceed with your tutorial |
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| 20:48.48 | kWO901 | valdyn: yes it did show it |
| 20:49.05 | kWO901 | so im done or what? |
| 20:49.14 | valdyn | kWO901: i dont know |
| 20:49.26 | valdyn | kWO901: you probably want to proceed with that tutorial |
| 20:49.45 | kWO901 | valdyn: yeah but when i run the line mentioned above i get error |
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| 20:49.52 | valdyn | kWO901: skip that line |
| 20:50.01 | kWO901 | ok |
| 20:50.07 | valdyn | kWO901: seriously, dont you read what i write |
| 20:50.08 | PigDude_ | is there a way to replace a debian package with something built from source? |
| 20:50.15 | valdyn | PigDude_: of course |
| 20:50.16 | PigDude_ | without having to turn that source package into a .deb? |
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| 20:50.44 | kWO901 | brb |
| 20:51.03 | PigDude_ | valdyn: i had no such luck. even installing the shared lib to prefix=/usr, the old version was preserved in /usr/lib |
| 20:51.11 | valdyn | PigDude_: but even checkinstall is better than that... |
| 20:51.32 | valdyn | PigDude_: well of course you cannot just overwrite random files without stuff breaking badly |
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| 20:52.08 | valdyn | PigDude_: that prefix makes it even worse |
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| 20:52.19 | PigDude_ | right |
| 20:52.20 | valdyn | PigDude_: what are you trying to replace? |
| 20:52.31 | PigDude_ | in any case at /usr/local, ldd showed my program using the dpkg lib |
| 20:52.42 | PigDude_ | so, using the one at /usr and not the source installation at /usr/local |
| 20:53.11 | PigDude_ | valdyn: an anonymous shared library that other anonymous packages link against |
| 20:53.14 | valdyn | PigDude_: or actually: what is the actual goal of this |
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| 20:53.16 | PigDude_ | valdyn: these are in-house |
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| 20:53.39 | valdyn | PigDude_: ok, the changes may be in-house, but tell me which debian packages you are replacing and why |
| 20:53.43 | PigDude_ | valdyn: the goal is to be able to easily test different source versions on a host that links against stuff installed as a .deb |
| 20:54.05 | valdyn | PigDude_: oh, for *testing* ? |
| 20:54.07 | PigDude_ | yepper |
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| 20:54.16 | kWO901 | valdyn: it worked man! tahnk you very much! |
| 20:54.28 | valdyn | PigDude_: leave the debian stuff alone, dont touch it, install to /usr/local |
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| 20:54.43 | PigDude_ | so it really is a general question. fooservice depends on libfoo which was installed as a .deb at /usr, and i'd like to easily replace that libfoo for testing, preferably in a non-destructive fashion |
| 20:54.45 | valdyn | PigDude_: instead, use LD_PRELOAD or LD_LIBRARY path environment |
| 20:55.23 | valdyn | PigDude_: theres no useful general answer to your question really |
| 20:55.25 | PigDude_ | but then i need to set env vars everywhere. i don't see why my ld.so.conf isn't preferring /usr/local to /usr, but then again i have no clue what i'm doing |
| 20:55.34 | valdyn | PigDude_: why *everywhere* ? |
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| 20:55.53 | valdyn | PigDude_: the env is inherited |
| 20:55.54 | PigDude_ | several programs link against this library. python c extension. networked service. other stuff too |
| 20:56.00 | PigDude_ | these programs run as daemons |
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| 20:56.06 | valdyn | PigDude_: so? |
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| 20:56.09 | PigDude_ | so i'd be patching init scripts or something |
| 20:56.11 | PigDude_ | in many places |
| 20:56.17 | valdyn | PigDude_: not at all |
| 20:56.26 | PigDude_ | /etc/profile? |
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| 20:56.47 | valdyn | PigDude_: maybe even /etc/environment is still used |
| 20:56.59 | PigDude_ | i thought this is what ld.so.conf was for |
| 20:57.05 | valdyn | PigDude_: but even if you could not find a place to set the variable you could use ld.so.conf |
| 20:57.22 | becca_KB1WRP | where do you set the runlevel in debian for boot up |
| 20:57.22 | PigDude_ | right, so i see that is autogenerated from files that i don't recognize |
| 20:57.42 | PigDude_ | what do i need to do so that lib at /usr/local is preferred to /usr? |
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| 20:58.24 | valdyn | PigDude_: thats probably the order in ld.so.conf |
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| 21:00.21 | PigDude_ | so why did ldd show libfoo for the program pointing to /usr/lib/libfoo.so.1 (or whatever) and not to /usr/local/lib/libfoo.so.1? |
| 21:00.34 | valdyn | PigDude_: and you are running ldconfig? |
| 21:00.44 | PigDude_ | i saw this after running ldconfig |
| 21:00.53 | PigDude_ | but again i don't know what i'm doing i could've missed a step |
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| 21:01.27 | anddam | I have an app's desktop entry in the form of .desktop file, can I make the system acknowledge it (at least in my X session) so I can add it to lxde's launchbar? |
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| 21:03.43 | anddam | the Application Launch Bar only shows apps from the menu, I know that there's a system for that (possibly freedesktop.org?) but I don't even know how it's called |
| 21:04.29 | valdyn | PigDude_: see "man ld.so", the order is explained there |
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| 21:05.41 | valdyn | anddam: ~/.menu ? |
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| 21:07.04 | anddam | valdyn: possibly, just found http://xmodulo.com/create-desktop-shortcut-launcher-linux.html and in .local/share/applications I see chromium's apps that are in fact in the lxde menu |
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| 21:07.41 | anddam | in fact I moved the .desktop file there and it's now in "Other" |
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| 21:08.05 | anddam | what I don't get is why the chromium-apps get their own menu "Chromium Apps" even if there's no such setting their .desktop files |
| 21:09.07 | PigDude_ | thanks |
| 21:09.08 | PigDude_ | valdyn: |
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| 21:10.13 | sheap | could someone help me with this partman recipe? http://paste.debian.net/plain/167196 when it installs I get 10.2 GB root and 244.7 GB root, when I want the root partition to take up all available space and the swap to use 4 GB |
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| 21:11.59 | anddam | ah desktop-directories |
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| 21:22.50 | ToeSnacks | I apologize if this is not the correct place to ask this, I have been considering changing several of my servers from Ubuntu 14.04 LTS to Debian and I am curious what the major system level differences are? |
| 21:23.03 | ToeSnacks | Other than the obvious things like Mir and Unity |
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| 21:24.42 | srg | ToeSnacks: I'm not super familiar with Ubuntu now-a-days, but I feel as though ubuntu is pretty bloated |
| 21:24.53 | savantgarde | What should I install in Jessie to get VMware shared folder support? I'm running Jessie under VMware Fusion |
| 21:25.01 | srg | I personally perfer minimal setups, only installing the packages I need |
| 21:25.40 | valdyn | ToeSnacks: if you are asking about technical things you should probably specify the debian release too |
| 21:25.47 | ToeSnacks | srg: that's my feeling as well which is the reason for asking, I also like the cultural stance of debian much more |
| 21:26.11 | srg | wont common on cultural stances, as his might not be apprecated in this channel :-P |
| 21:26.13 | ToeSnacks | valdyn: Wheezy an Jessie |
| 21:26.15 | ToeSnacks | *and |
| 21:26.28 | valdyn | ToeSnacks: so - 14.04 probably does upstart, debian sysvinit (wheezy) and systemd (jessie) |
| 21:26.35 | uepuejq | i'd appreciate your comment |
| 21:26.37 | uepuejq | on cultural stances |
| 21:27.00 | ToeSnacks | valdyn: jessie is completely on systemd now? |
| 21:27.13 | srg | Question: I'm formatting an external HDD for backups. I'll be using it just to rsync a just few times a month. Do I need the default 5% reserved blocks on the filesystem? Can I decrease it? |
| 21:27.14 | valdyn | ToeSnacks: no, its the default |
| 21:27.26 | srg | uepuejq: I prefer the freebsd cultural stance |
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| 21:27.55 | valdyn | ToeSnacks: im sure ubuntu has various different defaults than debian. Most can be just switched, the init system not. |
| 21:27.59 | srg | This is on a 6 TB ext4 drive. 5% of 6 TB is quite a bit... |
| 21:28.26 | valdyn | ToeSnacks: but if you want - sysvinit should be ok on jessie. |
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| 21:28.31 | ToeSnacks | valdyn: thank you, things like init are what I am mainly asking about, everything else in user configurable |
| 21:28.52 | NoImNotN1neVolt | do you use docker? |
| 21:28.57 | ToeSnacks | valdyn: I actually quite like systemd as most of my non server machines run Arch |
| 21:29.07 | NoImNotN1neVolt | stock jessie doesn't run docker, i believe. |
| 21:29.20 | ToeSnacks | I do not but that's good to know |
| 21:29.34 | NoImNotN1neVolt | you can get it to run [i think], but it takes a bit of extra work. |
| 21:29.41 | valdyn | ToeSnacks: sysvinit is just well tested, I know its shit |
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| 21:29.51 | NoImNotN1neVolt | it was in the jessie repo for a brief moment but was yanked again. |
| 21:30.19 | NoImNotN1neVolt | and i've had nothing but great experiences with systemd on jessie despite being philosophically opposed to it. |
| 21:30.47 | valdyn | ToeSnacks: dont bother with wheezy, since jessie is about to be released, theres really no point except maybe legacy support |
| 21:30.50 | srg | I've run into a minor problem or two with systemd, but I think that can be attributed a bit to me being unfamiliar with it. |
| 21:31.02 | ToeSnacks | valdyn: ok good to know thank you |
| 21:31.29 | NoImNotN1neVolt | i've been packaging a lot of our code for jessie, and i can only say that writing systemd unit files is a breath of fresh air compared to writing init scripts. |
| 21:31.51 | valdyn | ToeSnacks: now, the most visible difference may still be the setup tools (for a server), configuration programs etc. I know nothing at all about those. |
| 21:32.07 | teraflop | NoImNotN1neVolt: I agree |
| 21:32.08 | NoImNotN1neVolt | also, is your nick is a reference to rms? |
| 21:32.23 | NoImNotN1neVolt | because i'm still chuckling. |
| 21:32.23 | ToeSnacks | valdyn: what do you mean? and yes it's an rms reference. |
| 21:32.33 | anddam | I'd like to install accelerated video driver for my intel embedded video card (if there are any). https://wiki.debian.org/GraphicsCard isn't particularly useful |
| 21:32.42 | anddam | any other source I should check? |
| 21:32.54 | anddam | I can't find a debian resource for that |
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| 21:33.23 | valdyn | ToeSnacks: any program that has a graphical user interface and may be used on ubuntu to configure services. I know nothing at all about any of those. I dont even know if they exist. |
| 21:33.46 | anddam | glxinfo says direct rendering is enabled |
| 21:34.13 | ToeSnacks | valdyn: yeah I am more of a command line person |
| 21:34.40 | valdyn | ToeSnacks: ok, so that is not an issue |
| 21:34.40 | teraflop | anddam: so? |
| 21:34.49 | thabom | hi does someone know how serious is should take this? http://www.openldap.org/lists/openldap-devel/200802/msg00072.html |
| 21:35.01 | valdyn | ToeSnacks: should feel right at home in debian then |
| 21:35.13 | thabom | i'm working on an openldap/gnutls setup |
| 21:35.16 | ToeSnacks | valdyn: did you ever use Crunchbang? |
| 21:35.27 | valdyn | ToeSnacks: no |
| 21:35.27 | ToeSnacks | I used that on my laptop for a long time |
| 21:35.33 | GunnerWolf | As an ex win7 user, i can honestly say that terminal based applications are what made me fall in love with Debian |
| 21:35.47 | ToeSnacks | and from what I know it was mostly debian with openbox |
| 21:35.47 | valdyn | !debian releases |
| 21:35.47 | dpkg | Debian releases are named after "Toy Story" characters. Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14), Squeeze(6.0; 2011-02-06), Wheezy(7.0; 2013-05-04). The next release will be Jessie. http://debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ch-releases |
| 21:36.01 | valdyn | ToeSnacks: debian since hamm (mainly anyway ) |
| 21:36.16 | GunnerWolf | wait there's a Toystory character called Wheezy? |
| 21:36.26 | ToeSnacks | valdyn: nice, that's longer than I have owned a computer lol |
| 21:36.41 | ToeSnacks | GunnerWolf: the penguin from 2 |
| 21:37.03 | GunnerWolf | man, it's been far too long since I've seen Toystory |
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| 21:38.25 | GunnerWolf | SO, does anybody here know of a decent text-based web browser? Something along the lines of Links2, but preferably with tab functionality |
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| 21:39.39 | teraflop | anddam: if youre looking for hw video decoding and youre using the i915 module maybe you want vaapi |
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| 21:40.11 | ToeSnacks | GunnerWolf: I have not used it myself but Elinks has tabs as far as I know |
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| 21:40.58 | ToeSnacks | GunnerWolf: http://elinks.or.cz/documentation/html/manual.html-chunked/ch05.html |
| 21:40.58 | GunnerWolf | Hmm, I'll look into that again then. I was considering Elinks, but was adviced to go with Links2 instead because apparently Elinks has been 5 years innactive |
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| 21:42.09 | GunnerWolf | ah but does Elinks have image support? |
| 21:42.21 | ToeSnacks | GunnerWolf: I have no idea about that |
| 21:42.35 | ToeSnacks | GunnerWolf: I don't use a text based browser |
| 21:42.46 | ToeSnacks | lightest I have gone is dwb |
| 21:43.46 | NoImNotN1neVolt | midori is decent for lightweight gui browsing. |
| 21:43.59 | NoImNotN1neVolt | but i use lynx for console. |
| 21:43.59 | ToeSnacks | I've heard that |
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| 21:44.14 | GunnerWolf | For GUI browsing I just use IceWeasel |
| 21:44.15 | NoImNotN1neVolt | even a raspberry pi can run midori at a not-terribly-painful speed. |
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| 21:44.36 | NoImNotN1neVolt | (which is how i learned about it. midori is the default browser on raspbian.) |
| 21:44.56 | GunnerWolf | wait what? Epiphany is the default Raspbian browser |
| 21:45.05 | ToeSnacks | I use chromium which I'm sure is terrible for many reasons |
| 21:45.26 | GunnerWolf | Chromium's pretty good, asside from the poor RAM optimization |
| 21:45.51 | roberth1990 | ToeSnacks: if you are using chrome on an rpi enable full gpu acceleration |
| 21:46.24 | ToeSnacks | roberth1990: good to know, I don't use a Pi but that's nice to know about for the future |
| 21:46.29 | roberth1990 | GunnerWolf: iceweasel will also start to eat ram for breakfast when they enable multiprocess |
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| 21:46.41 | roberth1990 | oh sorry I misread |
| 21:47.10 | ToeSnacks | chrome is a pig though for sure |
| 21:47.20 | GunnerWolf | roberth1990: I'm sure it will, I pity my RPi's measly 1GB of RAM |
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| 21:47.24 | ToeSnacks | I use a Thinkpad with 16 gigs of ram and Chrome uses 8 of it |
| 21:47.42 | roberth1990 | chrome uses much ram because of the multiprocess stuff mostly |
| 21:47.55 | roberth1990 | and if you run adbloc, it makes it use even more ram |
| 21:47.58 | roberth1990 | *adblock |
| 21:48.12 | GunnerWolf | That's why you use uBlock, not adblock :P |
| 21:48.15 | roberth1990 | yeah |
| 21:48.24 | roberth1990 | with ublock it uses less ram per tab |
| 21:48.25 | ToeSnacks | uBlock and uMatrix |
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| 21:48.46 | GunnerWolf | or better yet, do what I do: Avoid Chrome at all costs |
| 21:48.54 | ToeSnacks | I have about 10 extensions I always run so that doesn't help the ram use |
| 21:49.05 | roberth1990 | coming in chrome 43: Suggesting Answers in the Omnibox |
| 21:49.16 | ryouma | ublock is not in debian |
| 21:49.17 | GunnerWolf | I use Firefox Developer Edition on my main Win PC, and when I absolutely have to use chrome (for web dev purposes) I use chromium instead |
| 21:49.32 | roberth1990 | ToeSnacks: well it would be even more if you ran 10 extensions and adblock |
| 21:49.39 | ToeSnacks | GunnerWolf: yeah I use chromium |
| 21:49.59 | GunnerWolf | CHromium is just Chrome without all the google bloat |
| 21:50.04 | ToeSnacks | yep |
| 21:50.06 | anddam | can I use a kernel image from testing in stable? |
| 21:50.35 | ToeSnacks | how crazy unstable is Sid? |
| 21:50.48 | roberth1990 | anddam: huh? the same version that is in testing is in backports |
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| 21:50.59 | ToeSnacks | like Arch unstable or you will not have a working computer ever? |
| 21:51.22 | GunnerWolf | ToeSnacks: I think you mean "Arch unstable or Gentoo unstable" |
| 21:51.28 | roberth1990 | what is arch unstable? |
| 21:51.28 | ToeSnacks | lol |
| 21:51.48 | anddam | roberth1990: I need a newer kernel, I'll check backports than, thanks |
| 21:51.50 | ToeSnacks | roberth1990: I mean as unstable as arch not that there is an unstable branch of arch |
| 21:52.04 | GunnerWolf | well there kinda is toe; all of em |
| 21:52.19 | ctmjr | !tell anddam about bpo kernel |
| 21:52.24 | roberth1990 | arch has been untill recently very stable for me for desktop usage, since I dont use testing repo |
| 21:52.45 | ToeSnacks | I use arch as my main workstation OS |
| 21:52.47 | roberth1990 | debian would be just as unstable if they simply used a newer kernel version |
| 21:53.02 | GunnerWolf | I only recently started using linux for actual uses rather than as a novelty, so I'll stick with the easiness of Debian |
| 21:53.18 | anddam | btw http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ has instructions for squeeze |
| 21:53.26 | anddam | pretty outdated |
| 21:53.34 | ToeSnacks | GunnerWolf: I get bored if the computer doesnt bit me for my mistakes |
| 21:53.48 | roberth1990 | anddam: wheezy is there too |
| 21:53.57 | ToeSnacks | same reason I like cars with no power brakes/steering and no tracktion control |
| 21:54.02 | GunnerWolf | unfortunately Image-Line have yet to port FL Studio to linux.. so yeah |
| 21:54.05 | anddam | roberth1990: whoops |
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| 21:55.03 | GunnerWolf | but after throwing Debian on an old cluttered win7 machine at work, I'm finding it's a great OS for web dev work |
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| 21:55.49 | anddam | maybe stupid question but in the wheezy-backports line I drop contrib and non-free, right? |
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| 21:57.18 | GunnerWolf | oh god my phone just updated and the new android UI changes caught me by surprise |
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| 21:59.21 | GunnerWolf | ugh mpv is taking so long to build |
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| 22:00.35 | roberth1990 | GunnerWolf: why are you building mpv? |
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| 22:01.56 | GunnerWolf | because afaik there isn't a proper download or package for mpv on debian |
| 22:03.06 | GunnerWolf | wait.. wow I brainfarted hard |
| 22:03.11 | GunnerWolf | yeah why AM i building mpv |
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| 22:03.25 | roberth1990 | GunnerWolf: mpv is in jessie |
| 22:03.47 | roberth1990 | and there is a newer version in debian multimedia repo which uses ffmpeg |
| 22:04.14 | GunnerWolf | heh, I'm actually on raspbian right now |
| 22:04.40 | roberth1990 | why arent there any good x86/amd64 developement boards :( |
| 22:04.53 | roberth1990 | like that can be used for normal server tasks |
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| 22:05.17 | teraflop | roberth1990: there are many |
| 22:06.17 | teraflop | bananapi is good enough i have a couple of ones running debian (i mean debian debian) |
| 22:06.17 | roberth1990 | teraflop: many of what? |
| 22:06.20 | roberth1990 | oh |
| 22:06.42 | roberth1990 | ring ring ring bananaphone |
| 22:06.43 | teraflop | uh sorry i read arm |
| 22:06.48 | roberth1990 | oh |
| 22:07.07 | anddam | what's the "main" mesa package? libegl-mesa ? |
| 22:07.28 | roberth1990 | anddam: all mesa packages needs to be updated if you want that |
| 22:07.59 | anddam | roberth1990: isn't there a single umbrella package? |
| 22:08.44 | roberth1990 | anddam: I dont know, what are you doing? |
| 22:08.47 | anddam | every time an user has to install mesa he has to explicitly name libegl libgl1 libglapi libgles... |
| 22:08.58 | anddam | trying to enable graphic acceleration |
| 22:09.12 | anddam | I'm on #intel-gfx (per debian wiki hint) but I need mesa 10.5.2 |
| 22:09.14 | roberth1990 | anddam: use aptitude, it should install everything when you select one thing |
| 22:09.23 | anddam | testing has 10.3.5 |
| 22:09.32 | roberth1990 | anddam: upgrade to jessie, its almost stable |
| 22:09.39 | anddam | jessie has 10.3.5 |
| 22:09.41 | anddam | I need 10.5 |
| 22:09.44 | anddam | but that apart |
| 22:09.59 | anddam | how can package rely one onto another? |
| 22:10.05 | roberth1990 | anddam: apis |
| 22:10.13 | anddam | there should be a "key" package relying on the other |
| 22:10.26 | roberth1990 | yeah mesa needs a metapackage |
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| 22:13.30 | anddam | the wheezy->jessie factoid says to remove stable-specific lines like wheezy-updates, does that include wheezy/updates? |
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| 22:16.50 | GunnerWolf | I wonder how long until Raspbian updates to Jessie then... |
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| 22:20.04 | roberth1990 | GunnerWolf: I guess they start the work when jessie is released |
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| 22:20.44 | backnforth | where can I go to get information on released updates? |
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| 22:21.57 | roberth1990 | backnforth: the changelog on packages.debian.org |
| 22:22.43 | roberth1990 | changelogs |
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| 23:33.00 | suguriu | greetings friends |
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| 23:33.07 | BlackJack | but some also told me to install mtpfs and mtp-tools |
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| 23:36.02 | suguriu | indeed |
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| 23:38.49 | danobi | Does anyone know when gnome 3.16 is gonna hit the testing repos? |
| 23:39.57 | Brigo | ,v gnome |
| 23:39.58 | judd | Package: gnome on i386 -- squeeze: 1:2.30+7; wheezy: 1:3.4+7+deb7u1; jessie: 1:3.14+3; sid: 1:3.14+3 |
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| 23:41.33 | Brigo | danobi, gnome isn't even in sid, so you can expect quite long time. |
| 23:42.21 | danobi | Brigo, that's quite unfortunate. The new update looks good. Do you think manually upgrading would cause any issues? |
| 23:42.58 | Brigo | danobi, of course yes, and it is not supported here. |
| 23:43.03 | Brigo | !frankendebian |
| 23:43.03 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
| 23:43.30 | Brigo | danobi, but you can try :) |
| 23:44.56 | danobi | Haha, I see. I guess I'll just hold off for a while then |
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| 23:45.26 | Brigo | danobi, smart choice ;) |
| 23:46.57 | Brigo | danobi, as far as gnome isn't in experimentall branch, i'd hope the gnome team is already working on 3.16 |
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| 23:47.19 | Brigo | but it's just a guess. |
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