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| 00:10.47 | roberth1990 | what is wrong with this key http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/isv:ownCloud:desktop/Debian_7.0/Release.key ? |
| 00:11.18 | roberth1990 | it says it is eof |
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| 00:13.10 | centrx | What says What is EOF? |
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| 00:16.06 | roberth1990 | http://paste.debian.net/plain/167208 |
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| 00:17.49 | themill | That's not saying anything about the key URL you asked about. |
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| 00:18.20 | roberth1990 | themill: the key it is checking is the one in the url |
| 00:18.27 | roberth1990 | I think |
| 00:18.37 | roberth1990 | the key is for the repo that dsc file is from |
| 00:18.41 | themill | It's certainly not checking anything in a URL |
| 00:19.11 | themill | additionally, the dsc is not signed so there's nothing to check. |
| 00:19.58 | roberth1990 | I downloaded the key first and added it with "apt-key add - < Release.key" |
| 00:20.27 | themill | dget isn't using apt's keys -- dget should be run as a normal user and apt-key is not. |
| 00:20.42 | roberth1990 | then why didnt that command I ran create the directory it is suposed? |
| 00:20.48 | themill | But since the dsc is not signed, that is still not relevant. |
| 00:21.14 | themill | You asked dget to verify the signature that is not there. |
| 00:22.22 | roberth1990 | with the -x parameter? |
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| 00:23.10 | roberth1990 | nm |
| 00:23.22 | roberth1990 | but why didnt the command create the folder? |
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| 00:23.51 | themill | Because you asked dget to verify the signature that is not there. |
| 00:24.22 | roberth1990 | how did I do that? |
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| 01:31.09 | pfred1 | how are you supposed to change your default sound card? |
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| 01:31.29 | somiaj | pfred1: I use .asoundrc. |
| 01:31.42 | somiaj | pfred1: but first, do you use pulseaudio (sometimes installed with your desktop)? |
| 01:31.47 | pfred1 | I ended up just blacklisting the card I didn't want to use |
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| 01:32.07 | pfred1 | somiaj no |
| 01:32.25 | pfred1 | I like my audio fluid, not pulsed |
| 01:32.37 | somiaj | that is one way, unforntally sound cards don't always load in the same order. It would be nice if they had some hardware identifyer like mac addresses so you can control what order they get assoicated. |
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| 01:33.19 | pfred1 | the sound is working now but I still feel like I might be missing something? |
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| 01:33.48 | somiaj | pfred1: http://paste.debian.net/167216/ Put those lines in $HOME/.asoundrc, where you give the card and device number. 'aplay -l' to list out all cards and device numbers. |
| 01:34.21 | somiaj | pfred1: things will default to card 0, unless you change it. You should be fine if you black list any other card so only one is loaded. In that case no reason to have an .asoundrc file |
| 01:34.31 | pfred1 | somiaj right now the only device aplay -l lists is the card I want to use |
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| 01:35.04 | somiaj | pfred1: yea if you don't want to have the option to use the otehr soundcard, the blacklist method is nice |
| 01:35.15 | pfred1 | I guess blacklisting the driver for the other device was a pretty good way to go? |
| 01:35.27 | somiaj | I find that I have to change my .asoundrc a lot when I reboot. But then I can easily use my other sound cards (not that I do that often) |
| 01:35.44 | pfred1 | nah I don't want to use any of the other crap in this system |
| 01:35.45 | somiaj | pfred1: nothing wrong with it. Its an admins choice what he finds best to matain. |
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| 01:36.02 | pfred1 | I disabled the onboard sound in the BIOS too |
| 01:36.21 | pfred1 | but apparently there's a cound card on my video adapter |
| 01:36.28 | somiaj | hmm, if the sound is disabled, the deveice shouldn't even be reporting itself, so drivers won't be loaded. |
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| 01:36.47 | pfred1 | this system has 3 audio devices in it |
| 01:36.57 | pfred1 | on board on video adapter and i just put in a sound card |
| 01:37.05 | somiaj | correct, hdmi supports audio, if you have hdmi you have hdmi audio. |
| 01:37.10 | pfred1 | all I want to use is the sound card too |
| 01:37.22 | somiaj | well most vid cards with hdmi contain a sound card for that reason |
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| 01:37.42 | pfred1 | well it was annoying because it was the 0 device |
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| 01:38.02 | pfred1 | so that's the one I blacklisted the driver for |
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| 01:38.43 | pfred1 | I was reading on Debian's website and they mentioned a few commands and i have none of them |
| 01:39.16 | pfred1 | I don't have sndconfig or dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base |
| 01:39.28 | pfred1 | I couldn't figure out how to get either of them either |
| 01:40.08 | pfred1 | apt-cache search don't know boo about none of that |
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| 01:40.37 | somiaj | yea there are various ways and they keep changing. |
| 01:40.58 | pfred1 | I have to admit for a moment the panic was really setting in over here |
| 01:41.01 | somiaj | the moddern approach for gnome users is to use pulseaudio which gives a nice way to control defaults and persistance between boots (along with other features not present in alsay) |
| 01:41.17 | somiaj | but for those who don't use pulse, the other option is to configure alsa via the asound.conf or .asoundrc files |
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| 01:41.26 | pfred1 | I had my nice shiny new sound card and it was making no sound! |
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| 01:42.00 | pfred1 | there used to be an alsa utility that you could get to write you a file with a save option |
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| 01:42.27 | pfred1 | alsactrl ? |
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| 01:43.34 | pfred1 | but I don't have that command either |
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| 01:43.59 | pfred1 | bash: alsactrl: command not found |
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| 01:45.27 | somiaj | I haven't heard of alsactrl, I just edit the .asoundrc file with my text editor |
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| 01:46.11 | somiaj | pfred1: it is alsactl |
| 01:46.35 | pfred1 | somiaj alsactl is an executable |
| 01:46.47 | pfred1 | http://linux.die.net/man/1/alsactl |
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| 01:47.14 | somiaj | correct, that is the command, yiou were tying it as alsactrl, maybe there was another command but I didn't fin done. Wonder if you misread the name |
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| 01:48.38 | pfred1 | somiaj yeah I don't have that executable |
| 01:49.36 | somiaj | it is /usr/sbin/alsactrl and in the alsa-utils package. Only root will have the ability to run it, it seems. I'd just edit the .asoundrc file |
| 01:49.54 | pfred1 | ls: cannot access /sbin/alsa*: No such file or directory |
| 01:50.38 | pfred1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:50.43 | somiaj | pfred1: /usr/sbin/alsactl |
| 01:51.00 | pfred1 | dlocate -S /usr/sbin/alsactl |
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| 01:52.25 | pfred1 | somiaj run dlocate -S /usr/sbin/alsactl |
| 01:53.02 | pfred1 | I can't because i don't have it |
| 01:53.19 | somiaj | pfred1: how about this, you run 'dpkg -L alsa-utils' and put the paste, at paste.debian.net |
| 01:54.36 | pfred1 | ah i found it |
| 01:54.41 | pfred1 | I was spelling it wrong |
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| 01:56.51 | pfred1 | hrm I wonder if I fixed it? I did alsactl init then alsactl store as root |
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| 01:57.41 | pfred1 | sound still works :) |
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| 02:31.38 | sslb | any reason why all of a sudden my networking stopped working? |
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| 02:32.10 | zacts | where is the channel for jessie? |
| 02:33.41 | hiexpo | !unstable |
| 02:33.41 | dpkg | Unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added at any time, that can disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. http://www.debian.org/releases/unstable/ http://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable . See also <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>, <apt-listbugs>, <apt-listchanges>, <bts>. |
| 02:33.53 | sslb | I boot into windows, networking isn't an issue. I boot into XFCE4 on debian and networking doesn't work. Nameserver are setup in /etc/resolv.conf to google nameservers. |
| 02:33.55 | shay_shay | zacts: irc.oftc.net |
| 02:34.03 | shay_shay | #debian-next |
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| 02:34.54 | zacts | thanks |
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| 02:38.57 | shay_shay | yw |
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| 03:09.33 | kWO901 | when i start chrome from a terminal i get some nvidia error. why is that? http://paste.debian.net/167219/ |
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| 03:14.39 | nurupo | one can get a source of a package and build a .deb out of it |
| 03:16.44 | nurupo | i'm curious if there is an option that when package's source updates, `apt-get update` or similar could get the new version of the source, build it and install it automatically |
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| 03:17.04 | nurupo | just a crazy idea |
| 03:17.27 | raxip | so, you want to compile everything from source? |
| 03:17.55 | nurupo | something akin to gentoo's portage or bsd's port |
| 03:18.01 | raxip | why not just use gentoo |
| 03:18.15 | nurupo | well, i don't want to, i'm just curious if there is such an option |
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| 03:20.07 | nurupo | and as far as using gentoo goes, i'm pretty content with debian so far |
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| 03:21.48 | jerichowasahoax | nurupo: Not possible in Debian |
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| 03:22.04 | jerichowasahoax | Gentoo and derivatives are the only place where it is possible |
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| 03:43.33 | kWO901 | when i start chrome from a terminal i get some nvidia error. why is that? http://paste.debian.net/167219/ |
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| 03:50.59 | pfred1 | kWO901 looks like a premissions error |
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| 04:02.48 | kWO901 | pfred1: ok i set chmod 777 to that file |
| 04:02.56 | kWO901 | i hope that would do |
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| 04:03.30 | pfred1 | kWO901 that is not how you fix it |
| 04:03.54 | pfred1 | you escalate your user's permissions |
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| 04:05.00 | kWO901 | pfred1: how |
| 04:05.14 | pfred1 | does your user belong to the video group? |
| 04:05.31 | kWO901 | pfred1: how do i check that? |
| 04:05.36 | pfred1 | type groups |
| 04:06.11 | kWO901 | user@x:~$ groups |
| 04:06.12 | kWO901 | user cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev scanner netdev bluetooth fuse vboxuser |
| 04:06.29 | kWO901 | "user" is the name of my user |
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| 04:09.14 | pfred1 | kWO901 did the application start? because it really did not look like an error to me |
| 04:10.12 | pfred1 | it just looked liek chrome was trying to do something dumb |
| 04:10.30 | kWO901 | pfred1: yes chrome started and everything works normal |
| 04:10.43 | pfred1 | so what were you trying to fix? |
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| 04:11.52 | kWO901 | the error mentioned in the terminal. i'd prefer it fixed |
| 04:12.03 | pfred1 | it isn't an error it is just a message |
| 04:13.21 | pfred1 | well, there's probably a mistake someplace but you're not going to fix it by changing things on your system the program sucks |
| 04:14.54 | pfred1 | BTW chromium runs with no messages |
| 04:15.22 | pfred1 | so if the message really bothers you just run chromium |
| 04:15.23 | kWO901 | yeah ive read about it. but i like chrome |
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| 04:17.00 | pfred1 | as a general rule don't change permissions for anything outside of your home directory |
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| 04:17.49 | sheer | does anyone know of a text editor with an automatic date/time stamp for entries |
| 04:18.32 | kWO901 | ok |
| 04:19.35 | pfred1 | people have spent the past almost 50 years getting things just right |
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| 04:23.27 | pfred1 | sheer I'm crude so I just type date in a terminal, then copy paste that into a text file if i need a date |
| 04:23.56 | sheer | pfred1 ah that's easy. thanks for that too :) |
| 04:24.07 | sheer | > i just thanked someone in a different channel |
| 04:24.17 | pfred1 | I'm sure emacs could do it, and vi probably can too |
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| 04:24.44 | pfred1 | but it is probably a keystroke combination that would put my fingers in a sling to attempt |
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| 04:26.17 | pfred1 | I was editing a file the other day and the last date I put in it was from 5 years ago |
| 04:27.06 | pfred1 | there's a project that really languished |
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| 04:32.38 | jerichowasahoax | pfred1: There's a way to add the output of a command to your file in vim, but I forget how exactly |
| 04:32.49 | jerichowasahoax | you could just get the output of date that way |
| 04:33.09 | pfred1 | yeah those kinds of editors allow shelling |
| 04:33.17 | jerichowasahoax | might be smart to imap it to an f-key |
| 04:33.39 | pfred1 | I use kwrite |
| 04:34.18 | pfred1 | because i don't really want to run a shell in my text editor |
| 04:34.23 | jerichowasahoax | I think kwrite might just be too dumb. kate might do it though |
| 04:34.54 | jerichowasahoax | i don't know for sure, i can't use anything other than vim unless i want ":w" all over the document |
| 04:34.56 | pfred1 | I had a girlfriend named kate once so i might be biased against that now |
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| 04:36.48 | sheer | kate is a nice, harmless name |
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| 04:45.26 | iWaldo_ | hey all, would sshd: [net] appearing in my processes repeatedly (never lasting long) be a sign of an intrtuder? |
| 04:46.09 | iWaldo_ | i recently opened samba ports on my router so i can get in from the www |
| 04:46.45 | jerichowasahoax | iWaldo_: could be someone's trying to break in but no indication of whether or not they've succeeded |
| 04:47.05 | jerichowasahoax | iWaldo_: assuming your passwords are reasonably strong i wouldn't worry about it, though you may want to move SSH to a non-standard port |
| 04:47.59 | iWaldo_ | jerichowasahoax: roger, i have been monitoring and none have been accepted, methinks that it is either my phone or bots trolling the web |
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| 04:48.21 | iWaldo_ | and the password is strong enough to stop any attack that isn't very sophisticated i think |
| 04:48.56 | iWaldo_ | then again i dunno how fast brute forces up to N characters are these days |
| 04:49.17 | jerichowasahoax | maybe look into something like fail2ban |
| 04:50.27 | pfred1 | size matters when it comes to passwords |
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| 04:50.54 | iWaldo_ | i might look into setting up certificates |
| 04:52.10 | iWaldo_ | yeah mine isn't super long, but is > 8 chars |
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| 04:52.42 | iWaldo_ | and the last brute force hash crack i made (educational, not malicious) had trouble with anything over 5 |
| 04:53.40 | kWO901 | I have some commands in my /etc/rc.local file that I want to run at boot, but they start with "sudo". would they run ? |
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| 04:55.32 | pfred1 | without the sudo |
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| 04:56.29 | pfred1 | init has all the permissions it needs |
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| 05:00.51 | kWO901 | pfred1: thx for clarifying |
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| 05:07.12 | kWO901 | I have these commands in rc.local, i want these to run at boot, but they dont http://paste.debian.net/167223/ |
| 05:07.21 | kWO901 | any clue as of why they dont run? |
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| 05:13.16 | quodvis | kWO901: what do fstrim? |
| 05:13.46 | kWO901 | trim for the ssd |
| 05:13.53 | quodvis | kWO901: well. |
| 05:14.28 | quodvis | what is you window manager/desktop? |
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| 05:14.47 | kWO901 | LXDE |
| 05:14.54 | quodvis | you must use to run google-chrome and pidgin your wm. |
| 05:15.27 | quodvis | try do this with .xinitrc. or something like that. |
| 05:15.47 | kWO901 | whats wrong with the above method?? |
| 05:15.58 | quodvis | i do not know if your understand. i do not speak in english. |
| 05:16.00 | kWO901 | technically it would work fine |
| 05:16.11 | quodvis | nop. do not work of this way. |
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| 05:16.34 | quodvis | is not the same user who run rc.local and your user. |
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| 05:17.01 | kWO901 | i see |
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| 05:17.39 | quodvis | is like if you press ctrl alt f3 and exec pidgin. never will go to work in your wm environment. |
| 05:18.00 | kWO901 | wm = ? |
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| 05:18.07 | quodvis | wm = window manager |
| 05:18.13 | somiaj | kWO901: problem is at boot and when your user runs xorg are two different things. |
| 05:18.45 | somiaj | kWO901: not sure what fstrim is, but that is an okay one for boot. I would go to the lxde control pannel and select startup apps, and that is what you want for google-crhome and pidgin |
| 05:19.10 | somiaj | kWO901: http://wiki.lxde.org/en/Autostart |
| 05:19.14 | quodvis | may be if you made a export of x. winth xhost and after you run the app like the user. with su - "your user" -c "pidgin" |
| 05:19.39 | somiaj | it needs to wait for his user to login, so I woudln't use rc-local for that |
| 05:19.49 | somiaj | plus he would have both those running as root, that is just asking for trouble |
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| 05:20.17 | kWO901 | i see |
| 05:20.18 | quodvis | any way. use autostart of your wm. |
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| 05:22.52 | jonathan_ | I'm running debian 6.0.10 on a virtual machine, I tried to compile the latest 2.6 kernel. I used make oldconfig, I get kernel panics on boot |
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| 05:23.06 | jonathan_ | cannot mount vfs |
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| 05:24.09 | quodvis | jonathan_: you are follow a tutorial or manual? |
| 05:24.21 | jonathan_ | the guide on kernel newbies |
| 05:24.34 | jonathan_ | I've had success following it before |
| 05:24.59 | quodvis | kWO901: remember run the "systemctl enable rc-local.service" . |
| 05:25.14 | quodvis | jonathan_: paste the link please. |
| 05:25.27 | jonathan_ | okay, I'm letting it reboot, I'll run it in a sec |
| 05:25.59 | jonathan_ | http://kernelnewbies.org/FAQ/KernelCompilation |
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| 05:27.08 | quodvis | jonathan_: to make a clean install you must move or remove your .config file. |
| 05:27.20 | kWO901 | "systemctl enable rc-local.service" ? |
| 05:27.21 | quodvis | do a "mv .config backupconfig" |
| 05:27.47 | quodvis | and after of that. you use "make menuconfig". |
| 05:27.55 | quodvis | and continue normally. |
| 05:27.58 | kWO901 | quodvis: systemctl: command not found |
| 05:28.07 | quodvis | the problem must be somethin in your .config. |
| 05:28.09 | jonathan_ | it won't let me do menuconfig, says ncurses is not installed |
| 05:29.06 | jerichowasahoax | jonathan_: aptitude install ncurses-dev ? |
| 05:29.34 | somiaj | jerichowasahoax: apt-cache search ncurses-dev (then install the correct package name) |
| 05:29.34 | quodvis | if you has a previous config of your .config file. (the config who works) you can used. |
| 05:30.02 | jerichowasahoax | somiaj: i just looked it up, the correct package is ncurses-dev |
| 05:30.03 | quodvis | if you do not have installed ncurses. use make config |
| 05:30.13 | quodvis | it is not very nice. |
| 05:30.28 | quodvis | jonathan_: sorry. is for another distro systemctl. |
| 05:30.34 | jonathan_ | I tried make config years ago, let me see about getting ncurses |
| 05:30.36 | somiaj | jerichowasahoax: oh wow, I'm use to it being libncurses5-dev or something like that. I'm not up to date. :/ |
| 05:31.12 | jerichowasahoax | somiaj: ncurses-dev could be a virtual for libncurses5-dev, i've seen apt do that a few times |
| 05:31.18 | jonathan_ | apt-get install ncurses5-dev right now |
| 05:31.54 | somiaj | jerichowasahoax: yea that is a newer virtual file, though I haevn't installed it in a while, I gave up compiling my kernel a long time ago. :/ |
| 05:32.00 | jonathan_ | menuconfig is running |
| 05:32.07 | jonathan_ | slowly |
| 05:32.15 | SirLagz | good ol' menuconfig... |
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| 05:32.44 | jerichowasahoax | i usually use nconfig, just because i think it looks nicer, but it's effectively the same, so |
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| 05:33.35 | jonathan_ | so, do you think its an issue with where I have the kernel pointing to as root file system |
| 05:33.50 | mi11k1 | what is it called to be able to drag a window to another screen that is on another computer? |
| 05:34.07 | SirLagz | mi11k1: impossible ? |
| 05:34.08 | mi11k1 | i tried xpra, but i dont think its what i need |
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| 05:34.27 | SirLagz | mi11k1: when you remember though, please let me know. That sounds awesome |
| 05:34.33 | mi11k1 | i dunno, x2x can make my keyboard and mouse do it |
| 05:35.02 | SirLagz | yeah Synergy can share mice and keyboard between computers |
| 05:35.12 | SirLagz | I don't know of anything that lets you drag a window across computers on Linux though |
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| 05:35.54 | jerichowasahoax | it'd probably involve some X11 forwarding magic, whatever it is |
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| 05:36.25 | mi11k1 | yah, but that usually klls the app |
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| 05:36.49 | mi11k1 | xpra, seems to be along the lines of what I need |
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| 05:37.56 | ebonics | 3d version of that.. someone do it |
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| 05:39.12 | jonathan_ | so where should I try to go next with this |
| 05:39.21 | mi11k1 | with what? |
| 05:40.52 | jonathan_ | I've got a kernel panic with my built kernel Debian 6.0.10 with 2.6.35.65 |
| 05:41.06 | jonathan_ | on boot I get a failure to mount vfs |
| 05:41.20 | mi11k1 | vfs? |
| 05:41.29 | jerichowasahoax | jonathan_: Did you remember to *untick* "root filesystem on NFS" in the network filesystems section |
| 05:41.31 | quodvis | jonathan_: can you mount manually the disk? |
| 05:41.34 | mi11k1 | did you addgroup fuse and add yourself to fuse? |
| 05:41.34 | jerichowasahoax | that one gets me every time |
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| 05:42.28 | jonathan_ | I'll check, previous kernel runs fine (used make oldconfig(I think)) to build this one based off that kernel |
| 05:42.47 | jerichowasahoax | if you used make oldconfig then it's probably unticked |
| 05:43.04 | jerichowasahoax | jonathan_: make sure your relevant SATA/PATA support and filesystems are built in and not modules |
| 05:43.28 | jonathan_ | let me check |
| 05:44.22 | mi11k1 | last question, best way to pipe sound to another box on same network? |
| 05:44.39 | jerichowasahoax | mi11k1: I use pulseaudio for that |
| 05:45.10 | mi11k1 | i tried, but it wasnt going easy for me |
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| 05:45.32 | jonathan_ | I think they are on modules |
| 05:45.34 | jerichowasahoax | mi11k1: you'd need paprefs to turn the relevant features on and pavucontrol to actually forward streams to other sinks |
| 05:45.46 | jerichowasahoax | jonathan_: make them built in (press Y on them) |
| 05:45.51 | mi11k1 | jerichowasahoax, i did that |
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| 05:46.09 | jerichowasahoax | mi11k1: and what precisely was wrong |
| 05:46.30 | mi11k1 | jerichowasahoax, and i end up with all these pulseaudio feeds i guess id call them |
| 05:46.40 | mi11k1 | like, duplicates of everything |
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| 05:47.21 | jerichowasahoax | mi11k1: As in multiple of the same stream on the same computer? |
| 05:47.59 | jonathan_ | okay, set them to part of the kernel, not modules |
| 05:48.04 | mi11k1 | jerichowasahoax, im going to try again now. So on receiving box, whatt should be enaled? |
| 05:48.20 | jonathan_ | how do I have it rebuild just that part of the kernel, is that possible? |
| 05:48.33 | mi11k1 | were killin this guy |
| 05:48.45 | jerichowasahoax | mi11k1: in the Network Server tab of paprefs, "Enable network access to local sound devices" |
| 05:48.56 | jerichowasahoax | jonathan_: should just work if you run "make" again |
| 05:49.04 | mi11k1 | jerichowasahoax, discoverable too? |
| 05:49.13 | jerichowasahoax | mi11k1: that will certainly make your life easier |
| 05:49.26 | jerichowasahoax | mi11k1: you may also need to install a zeroconf daemon like avahi if you haven't already |
| 05:49.35 | mi11k1 | jerichowasahoax, i do |
| 05:52.06 | jonathan_ | building, I hope this doesn't take all night, I'd love to get it working tonight |
| 05:52.26 | mi11k1 | jerichowasahoax, so why in the default server menu do i end up with "hostname" and "user@hostname" of the same box? |
| 05:52.52 | jerichowasahoax | mi11k1: i have no idea, are you running a system PA for some reason? |
| 05:53.03 | mi11k1 | ? |
| 05:53.34 | mi11k1 | jerichowasahoax, system PA? |
| 05:53.41 | jerichowasahoax | there's a per-user PulseAudio and a system PulseAudio, and 99% of the time, it runs per user |
| 05:53.53 | jerichowasahoax | resulting in the user@host entries |
| 05:53.59 | mi11k1 | thats for sure whats up |
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| 05:54.54 | jerichowasahoax | it's recommended across the board that you don't run a systemwide PulseAudio unless you absolutely for 100% certain have to do so |
| 05:55.05 | jerichowasahoax | this is probably part of the reason |
| 05:55.28 | mi11k1 | ok, so i have to disable pulse on my login? |
| 05:55.36 | mi11k1 | im using Jessie and Mate |
| 05:55.45 | jerichowasahoax | not on your login, in your init system |
| 05:55.57 | jerichowasahoax | let MATE handle the pulse instance for you |
| 05:55.57 | mi11k1 | i didnt even see a script in there |
| 05:56.01 | mi11k1 | just alsa |
| 05:56.43 | jerichowasahoax | then i'm not sure how you have a systemwide instance |
| 05:57.01 | mi11k1 | jerichowasahoax, I havent changed anything since install, I just installe the pref package |
| 05:57.04 | mi11k1 | hmmm |
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| 06:00.25 | jonathan_ | okay, built do I have to rebuild modules |
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| 06:01.14 | jerichowasahoax | jonathan_: probably not |
| 06:04.16 | jonathan_ | okay, did make install |
| 06:04.20 | jonathan_ | and grub update |
| 06:04.22 | mi11k1 | jerichowasahoax, thanks for your help |
| 06:04.30 | mi11k1 | jerichowasahoax, im going to restart |
| 06:04.42 | jerichowasahoax | mi11k1: gl |
| 06:06.14 | jonathan_ | kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown-block (0,0) |
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| 06:08.06 | jerichowasahoax | jonathan_: the actual error is slightly above that |
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| 06:09.17 | jonathan_ | [3.116608] ? |
| 06:09.25 | jerichowasahoax | no |
| 06:10.25 | jerichowasahoax | boot into a livecd and pastebin /var/log/dmesg please |
| 06:10.33 | jerichowasahoax | (don't just boot your other kernel that will overwrite the file) |
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| 06:12.46 | jerichowasahoax | not to sound like a jerk but why are you building your own kernel to begin with |
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| 06:13.52 | jonathan_ | I would like to learn how to build from source |
| 06:14.14 | jonathan_ | it seems like lots of people build kernels, and their is lots of documentation on that |
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| 06:14.39 | jerichowasahoax | well 90% of the battle is having intimate knowledge of your system |
| 06:15.04 | jonathan_ | I was also curious to see how much (if any) decrease in RAM usage or system load there would be |
| 06:15.25 | jerichowasahoax | though a lot of the time you can just boot a working kernel from a livecd or something like debian provides and use "lsmod" or similar |
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| 06:16.11 | jonathan_ | btw, you don't sound like a jerk, you've been extremely helpful, and I feel like I"m learning somethings |
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| 06:21.56 | vilce | Hi guys, do you know when jessie will be released? |
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| 06:22.20 | vilce | I am looking to fix this: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2013-4444 |
| 06:22.37 | jonathan_ | 4/25/15 ? |
| 06:22.45 | vilce | currently using tomcat 7.0.28-4 in debian 7.8 |
| 06:22.54 | Disconsented | https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/ should help |
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| 06:24.21 | vilce | thanks guys ! |
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| 06:25.16 | NotJimCarrey | I'm trying to write a bash script in which some commands require sudo, and some require user. I have a checkroot, but I need to other parts to be run as the user that ran sudo. Any ideas? |
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| 06:27.48 | NotJimCarrey | script is here: https://github.com/dementio/dotfiles/blob/master/new_install.sh (I have sudo in it just to remind me which ones need to be ruun as root) |
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| 06:29.18 | vilce | @NotJimCarrey: su - username -c 'command' ? |
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| 06:30.36 | NotJimCarrey | vilce: trying it now, thanks |
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| 06:32.52 | rbanffy | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/04/16/amd_q1_2015_earnings/ |
| 06:33.00 | rbanffy | oops. Wrong window. |
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| 06:34.36 | NotJimCarrey | vilce: that works fine for a specific username, but I need it to be so that $username is whomever ran the script |
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| 06:37.36 | jerichowasahoax | NotJimCarrey: Run the script as user and prepend sudo to the commands that need root? |
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| 06:39.19 | NotJimCarrey | jerichowasahoax: that's how I thought of doing it at first, but didn't think it was optimal |
| 06:39.41 | NotJimCarrey | wanted to see if the other way would work |
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| 06:41.28 | ChrisH | NotJimCarrey: how often is that script in use? |
| 06:41.58 | NotJimCarrey | ChrisH: quite often, it's for classroom boxes |
| 06:42.31 | ChrisH | NotJimCarrey: then I suggest you to check ansible or saltsack (or any other orchestration tool) |
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| 06:42.47 | NotJimCarrey | ChrisH: thanks, i will |
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| 06:43.05 | ChrisH | NotJimCarrey: That is expected to make your life easier |
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| 06:45.01 | NotJimCarrey | ChrisH: don't think they would be an option in this school. it's the same reason we haven't setup an image server. money/bandwidth/firewalls/etc |
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| 06:46.56 | NotJimCarrey | that, and i just want to learn how to do it |
| 06:46.57 | NotJimCarrey | lol |
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| 06:49.16 | ChrisH | NotJimCarrey: An imageserver would help with external low bandwith. |
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| 06:50.20 | NotJimCarrey | i know, but trying to convince them to let me get the hardware s worse than pulling teeth |
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| 06:52.26 | anddam | is there a way to nicely shut the running xscreensaver process? |
| 06:52.47 | NotJimCarrey | xscreensaver -kill? |
| 06:53.22 | anddam | I hope not, tat's non documented |
| 06:53.24 | NotJimCarrey | oops |
| 06:53.30 | anddam | that* |
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| 06:53.34 | NotJimCarrey | xscreensaver-command -exit |
| 06:53.40 | anddam | ah my bad, the DE had a graphic preference |
| 06:53.57 | darxmurf | gi all |
| 06:54.05 | darxmurf | s/gi/hi/ |
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| 06:56.02 | ChrisH | NotJimCarrey: are you teacher or student there? |
| 06:56.18 | NotJimCarrey | ChrisH: student with pull |
| 06:57.26 | vilce | NotJimCarrey: username=`whoami` |
| 06:58.17 | vilce | and then su - $username -c 'command' |
| 06:58.49 | NotJimCarrey | vilce: the problem is that, since the script is ran with sudo, whoami/$USER/etc all seem to return 'root' |
| 06:59.09 | ChrisH | some commands might fail with su - $USER , then use su $USER |
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| 07:01.27 | vilce | script ran with sudo, but the whoami command ran as user withtout sudo |
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| 07:17.03 | NotJimCarrey | unrar x |
| 07:17.07 | valdyn | deepblue: install the "unrar" package |
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| 07:28.22 | jelly | !unrar |
| 07:28.22 | dpkg | Roshal ARchive (RAR) is a proprietary archive file format used mostly by 3l33+ war3z d00dz. To extract, use either "rar", "unrar" or "p7zip-rar" in non-free, ask me about <non-free sources>. "unrar-free" in main cannot extract RAR3 archives. The rar package can create archives, but costs money (see the license). See also <unar>. http://www.rarlab.com/ http://www.unrarlib.org/faq.html |
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| 07:28.38 | Bielecki | Hello. I have a problem - when I try to run TeamSpeak 3.0.16 on Debian 7 on VPS I'm getting an error " XIO: fatal IO error 2 (No such file or directory) on X server ":1" ". Anyone can help me? :( |
| 07:28.44 | jelly | dpkg, tell deepblue about non-free sources |
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| 07:41.34 | wwwBUKOLAYcom | hi |
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| 08:05.18 | kWO901 | in lxde can i make the bottom bar dissapear? (and have it reappear when i move my mouse at the bottom of the screen) |
| 08:06.25 | oo_miguel | Can anyone suggest a lightweight standalone bar, that can show me a list of windows on the current desktop? |
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| 08:08.53 | deepblue | how to install okular plugins and flsh player? |
| 08:08.55 | anddam | what's the appropriate way to have natural scrolling in Xorg that is persistent with upgrades? I edited /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf/10-evdev.conf as per http://jamesmcdonald.com/2011/07/invert-mouse-scroll-wheel-in-debian/ but on the dist-upgrade it was wiped |
| 08:09.20 | anddam | I figure something in /etc would be either kept or merged |
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| 08:25.23 | NotJimCarrey | anddam: check for a .orig or other such backed up version |
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| 08:31.27 | thabom | does anyone know the current status of this message, is it still valid? http://www.openldap.org/lists/openldap-devel/200802/msg00072.html |
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| 08:31.39 | thabom | (gnutls considered harmful) |
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| 08:34.58 | jelly | thabom: it depends on who you ask |
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| 08:35.25 | thabom | jelly: i'm asking the debian folks if they consider gnutls safe |
| 08:35.41 | jelly | thabom: they do. debian openldap maintainers ship with gnutls. |
| 08:36.16 | thabom | jelly: thanks for your quick conclusion :p |
| 08:36.41 | jelly | on the other hand prominent members of the community historically found that support to be lacking, and recommend building with openssl. So... fun |
| 08:37.01 | thabom | hmm |
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| 08:37.39 | thabom | some voices told me that gnutls is only used because of the license |
| 08:38.02 | jelly | heh, "only" |
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| 08:38.42 | thabom | well besides the license it provides SSL |
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| 08:39.25 | thabom | i'm not familiar with the deep internals of SSL/TLS |
| 08:40.09 | thabom | the message says that binary data is treated in an unsafe way in gnutls |
| 08:40.36 | thabom | and that handling binary data is the nature of TLS |
| 08:40.41 | thabom | 1 + 1 = ?? |
| 08:41.00 | thabom | i just hope it's old and not relevant anymore |
| 08:41.23 | valdyn | the recent huge flaws were in openssl I think, not gnutls |
| 08:41.27 | jelly | let's just say that there were valid technical reasons for both sides of that story |
| 08:41.38 | thabom | jelly: gnutls suffered from heartbleed too |
| 08:41.44 | jelly | valdyn: ITYM "gnutls bugs are less exposed by media" |
| 08:41.51 | thabom | hehe |
| 08:41.52 | valdyn | jelly: probably |
| 08:42.03 | thabom | so the attack scope is smalles |
| 08:42.05 | thabom | *smaller |
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| 08:42.29 | valdyn | but anyway, its already much better now that jessie doesnt rely on the ancient version now, I think |
| 08:42.43 | thabom | valdyn: |
| 08:42.46 | thabom | true |
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| 08:42.56 | thabom | still TLS/SSL is a scary subject |
| 08:43.08 | thabom | too much depends on it, too many things happened |
| 08:43.54 | thabom | how shall i sleep comfortable knowing that my VPN depends on SSL and my LDAP on TLS |
| 08:43.57 | arcsky | i have some class mates on my server. how can i disable so they cant do ls /home/arcsky ? |
| 08:44.17 | ebonics | shot in the dark.. anyone know if its common for GNU to be hitting gmail spambox with default settings on postfix (DKIM + SPF enabled) setup? |
| 08:44.22 | thabom | does that make me an hairy incapable admin? |
| 08:44.24 | ebonics | GNU mailman** |
| 08:44.35 | valdyn | thabom: paranoid maybe |
| 08:44.44 | thabom | valdyn: could be |
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| 08:45.20 | valdyn | ebonics: what does GNU mailman have to do with it? |
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| 08:45.48 | ebonics | valdyn, i don't hit spambox with just postfix. i assume it's some of the other smtp headers it adds or something |
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| 08:46.25 | valdyn | ebonics: does gmail give an error message with useful information? |
| 08:46.40 | ebonics | valdyn, there's no error message. it just gets filtered as spam |
| 08:46.41 | valdyn | ebonics: err, nvm , youre not rejected.. so no errror |
| 08:47.00 | valdyn | ebonics: ok - i dont know - you can try what spamassassin sais |
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| 09:01.20 | anddam | how do I use the audio jack on the NUC instead? I'd like to use headphones |
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| 09:11.37 | Twinkletoes | If I mount a second HDD in /disk2. IS there a way to prevent writing to this directory unless it mounts successfully? I don't want to fill up my primary disk if for some reason the mount fails etc. |
| 09:11.58 | Twinkletoes | I know I can use autofs which will dynamically create the mount point, but I don't want to add any unnecessary complexity |
| 09:12.52 | valdyn | Twinkletoes: you can use permissions |
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| 09:13.32 | Twinkletoes | valdyn: will that be able to prevent root writing to it aswell? |
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| 09:15.38 | valdyn | Twinkletoes: hmm, chmod a-rwx wont do it I think |
| 09:15.45 | valdyn | Twinkletoes: but you can use "chattr +i" |
| 09:16.08 | Twinkletoes | valdyn: REading about chattr now, thank you |
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| 09:22.59 | Twinkletoes | valdyn: Perfect - thank you. chattr +i worked perfectly |
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| 09:24.49 | anddam | the audio device is Intel Corporation Atom Processor Z36xxx/Z37xxx Series High Definition Audio Controller |
| 09:24.52 | anddam | from lspci |
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| 09:48.22 | anddam | should I have something in lxde Applications > Preferences for setting sounds and audio? I don't see anything |
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| 10:19.30 | Notwang | hi |
| 10:19.44 | Notwang | I have two bond interfaces |
| 10:19.49 | Notwang | bond0 and bts0 |
| 10:19.57 | Notwang | now I want to create vlan 305 on bts0 |
| 10:20.14 | Notwang | but I get error: Cannot find device "bts0.305" |
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| 10:20.56 | Notwang | however creating bond0.305 gives no problems |
| 10:21.09 | Notwang | any ideas why this may happen? |
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| 10:34.34 | c0m0 | when you see that and where? |
| 10:41.30 | anddam | what's an Xorg utility to grab a screenshot? |
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| 10:41.47 | anddam | something with a .desktop entry in lxde, not xwd |
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| 10:44.12 | GunnerWolf | Anybody have the link for Debian 7.8.0 live image downloads? Need to download the non-free/contrib packages |
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| 10:44.44 | SynrG | anddam: dunno about Xorg (i assume you mean 'no bloated deps') but there's gpe-screenshot |
| 10:44.52 | SynrG | just gtk |
| 10:45.19 | SynrG | xwd is the only pure X11 one i know of |
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| 10:49.09 | anddam | SynrG: I meant I'd like to just hit a key combo or launch a program from application menu and have the screenshot |
| 10:49.18 | anddam | no question asked, no image format asked |
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| 10:49.34 | fraff | anddam: import or xwd | convert |
| 10:49.55 | tdn | Does anyone use the backports package of subversion on wheezy? |
| 10:50.02 | tdn | And what are your experiences with it? |
| 10:50.11 | anddam | that's where I went, but it's a bit uncomfortable to switch on terminal and use a sleep command |
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| 10:50.43 | anddam | also I didn't have xwd and having to go again on pdo to look what packages provides that got me a bit frustrated |
| 10:50.55 | anddam | (since it's like the tenth times I'm doing that) |
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| 10:51.40 | anddam | SynrG: can't find it with aptitude |
| 10:51.52 | anddam | and I have contrib and non-free |
| 10:52.31 | anddam | oh, this all screenshot thing is just to show what the output of the various mixer I installed is, in order to fix the actual problem: no analog audio |
| 10:53.00 | anddam | I only have the HDMI digital audio that goes to the monitor and its speaker, but I'd like to use headphones on the analog jack that's on the NUC |
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| 10:53.15 | anddam | seems I only have the digital port on audio device |
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| 10:58.38 | anddam | what's a proper site to upload a screenshot? |
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| 11:03.31 | GunnerWolf | Oh wow, screenfetch actually shows the RPi logo for Raspbian, I thought it'd just show the debian logo |
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| 11:15.43 | anddam | ok can anyone help with setting the analog output on this Intel NUC? The HDMI works fine, this is what the mixer apps show, just HDMI port http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4576782/Selection_001.jpg |
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| 11:15.54 | johnkeates | what service in debian is responsible for trying out all filesystem mounts on all disks |
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| 11:23.41 | abrotman | johnkeates: you mean which init script tries to mount everything in /etc/fstab? |
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| 11:24.17 | GunnerWolf | So what IRC client do you guys use on Debian? |
| 11:24.19 | johnkeates | abrotman: no, the one that causes an error message for every device to appear on dmesg |
| 11:24.33 | abrotman | johnkeates: would you like to share the error with us? |
| 11:24.36 | johnkeates | abrotman: basically, like an auto mounter |
| 11:24.54 | abrotman | johnkeates: you'd have to tell us which version of Debian, which DE, etc . need more info |
| 11:25.26 | johnkeates | abrotman: Gnome 3, Jessie, not currently logged in on the console, GDM turned off |
| 11:25.40 | johnkeates | abrotman: http://pastie.org/10097940 |
| 11:26.12 | johnkeates | abrotman: it's basically scanning all partitions, but not to mount them, just to detect the FS (which fails because they are LVM, MD or ZFS devices) |
| 11:26.17 | abrotman | thinks that is gnome-vfs, but isn't 100% sure |
| 11:26.34 | johnkeates | abrotman: it's not a problem in a way that it breaks something, it's just ugly :p |
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| 11:26.37 | johnkeates | hmm |
| 11:26.56 | johnkeates | that seems like a logical thing, gnome-vfs trying to get it's grubby hands on all block devices |
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| 11:33.50 | GunnerWolf | So, how does one mount an iso onto a usb drive in debian? |
| 11:33.57 | johnkeates | not |
| 11:34.05 | johnkeates | because mounting isn't the same as copying |
| 11:34.43 | johnkeates | if you want to have an ISO file copy'd to the USB drive to replace the USB drive's contents, you could use DD |
| 11:34.48 | GunnerWolf | well I wanna do the equivalent of what pendrivelinux does, but their installers are windows only |
| 11:35.09 | abrotman | GunnerWolf: what is the ISO you're trying to use? |
| 11:35.16 | johnkeates | dd if=iso_file.iso of=/dev/sdX where sdx is the USB drive |
| 11:35.22 | johnkeates | gotta be root tho |
| 11:35.30 | GunnerWolf | it's a different version of debian |
| 11:35.45 | johnkeates | also, there are USB disk creators in debian in the repo's |
| 11:36.09 | abrotman | GunnerWolf: of Debian? |
| 11:36.20 | abrotman | GunnerWolf: cp foo.iso /dev/sdx |
| 11:36.35 | abrotman | if it's not actually Debian .. who knows |
| 11:36.44 | GunnerWolf | just copy the iso over normally? Will that allow you to boot into it from the USB? |
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| 11:36.57 | GunnerWolf | it's a live image of Debian 7.8.0 gnome+nonfree |
| 11:37.05 | abrotman | GunnerWolf: should work, their docs will say |
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| 11:37.20 | GunnerWolf | alright thanks |
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| 11:40.11 | geppo61 | film |
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| 11:42.16 | GunnerWolf | when using cp, does -v show the progress of the copying process? |
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| 11:43.21 | jelly | GunnerWolf: it says when each file has completed copying. Try it. |
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| 11:44.10 | jelly | started* not completed |
| 11:44.41 | SynrG | if you want something with a progress indicator, try rsync |
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| 11:44.56 | grammoboy | what does the 0 say in this line? drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 0 Apr 17 12:15 NAS |
| 11:45.09 | SynrG | 0 bytes long |
| 11:45.13 | SynrG | oh |
| 11:45.15 | SynrG | directory |
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| 11:45.52 | SynrG | seems not possible :) |
| 11:46.04 | SynrG | is it corrupted? |
| 11:46.12 | johnkeates | if you want something with progress indicator, dd_rescue will work too |
| 11:46.30 | grammoboy | probably... |
| 11:46.40 | grammoboy | but it's OT then, cause it's an rpi |
| 11:46.41 | tremon | grammoboy: what filesystem is that? |
| 11:47.01 | SynrG | then why ask about it here to begin with? |
| 11:47.08 | SynrG | it was OT before you even asked the question :p |
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| 11:47.38 | grammoboy | the first question was not OT ;) |
| 11:47.49 | grammoboy | it was not rpi specific |
| 11:47.57 | grammoboy | anyway, this works http://fpaste.org/212230/14292712/ |
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| 11:48.25 | grammoboy | and this not http://fpaste.org/212232/42927129/ |
| 11:48.38 | SynrG | grammoboy: it is most definitely rpi-specific, because the causes of such a thing might be different on other platforms than debian |
| 11:48.44 | SynrG | grammoboy: please do not abuse this channel |
| 11:49.01 | grammoboy | abuse is a strong word, but ok |
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| 11:49.11 | johnkeates | raspbian is pretty much debian |
| 11:49.17 | SynrG | grammoboy: i spent time trying to reproduce the issue on a debian system i could not produce your results. |
| 11:49.50 | SynrG | it's "abuse" when it's OT, and you know the rules about that. we support debian. period |
| 11:49.58 | grammoboy | clear |
| 11:50.27 | teraflop | no. raspbian is pretty much raspbian |
| 11:50.33 | johnkeates | okay |
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| 11:53.17 | enoch | hi all |
| 11:53.28 | Toofle | enoch: hi |
| 11:53.52 | enoch | i have a strange problem, im saving openvpn traffic for 10 clients using tcpdump: sudo tcpdump -i tun0 src host 10.8.0.14 -w /tmp/test-nuvo-17032015.pcap -s 0 |
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| 11:54.07 | enoch | tis format for 10 different ips |
| 11:54.29 | enoch | two of them are ok, but the other 8 are saving malformed output |
| 11:54.42 | enoch | possible causes? |
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| 12:00.46 | valdyn | grammoboy: some filesystems have 0 filesize on empty directories, some dont, some even have 0 filesize on directories with content |
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| 12:00.57 | valdyn | grammoboy: so that 0 means nothing |
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| 12:01.28 | dAnjou | hi, i have a byobu tmux session running and i can still see the processes running in it but somehow i don't know how to connect back to it. i started it with `byobu -S .max` and it's running like this now: |
| 12:01.30 | dAnjou | root 10138 0.1 0.0 27824 3848 ? Ss 11:46 0:00 tmux -2 -f /usr/share/byobu/profiles/tmuxrc -S .max |
| 12:01.45 | shpank | hey guys, does anybody else experience high idle load count with kernel 3.16? cpu usage is minimal, but the load doesn't ssem to go below 0.5 on most of our servers |
| 12:01.58 | Miesco | How come I don't have the file 'bt-audio'? |
| 12:02.02 | valdyn | shpank: load is not a cpu measure |
| 12:02.15 | shpank | valdyn: i know, but it should at least correlate a bit |
| 12:02.24 | valdyn | shpank: not at all |
| 12:02.25 | grammoboy | valdyn, thx |
| 12:02.27 | shpank | i find it disturbing that it's 98% idle |
| 12:02.32 | shpank | but load is around 0.5 |
| 12:02.55 | valdyn | shpank: load is a combined measure of processes "waiting for something" |
| 12:03.12 | valdyn | shpank: so, appearantly its not the cpu they are waiting for |
| 12:03.14 | shpank | valdyn: yeah, but top doesn't show any processes waiting for anything |
| 12:03.35 | valdyn | shpank: top sorts by cpu usage |
| 12:03.46 | shpank | top sorts by whatever you tell it to sort |
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| 12:03.57 | valdyn | shpank: so go ahead sort by network usage |
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| 12:05.26 | ronh00 | hi |
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| 12:05.46 | Miesco | seriously, I did: apt-file search bt-audio, no results |
| 12:06.42 | Miesco | What commandline tool do I use for bluetooth audio? |
| 12:07.02 | valdyn | shpank: the %wa is alot more interesting in relation to load |
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| 12:07.43 | shpank | valdyn: as i already said, %wa is 0.0 most of the time |
| 12:08.00 | shpank | that's why it's so strange |
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| 12:09.03 | eschmidbauer | hello. I need to install a library for my software to compile, there is no deb package for this library |
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| 12:09.04 | eschmidbauer | libyuv |
| 12:09.11 | valdyn | shpank: show us - the top output |
| 12:09.12 | tremon | Miesco: I only gotten it to work on jessie, with bluez 5 and pulseaudio |
| 12:09.38 | eschmidbauer | i found the git repo, but i don't know how to compile it :/ https://github.com/openpeer/libyuv |
| 12:09.42 | eschmidbauer | can anyone help? |
| 12:10.08 | buu | did you try make |
| 12:10.28 | eschmidbauer | yeah |
| 12:10.36 | eschmidbauer | there is no Makefile |
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| 12:10.41 | eschmidbauer | or ./configure script |
| 12:10.45 | eschmidbauer | look at the repo |
| 12:10.51 | Iridos | shpank, ps aux | grep ' D' |
| 12:10.55 | dAnjou | eschmidbauer: https://code.google.com/p/libyuv/wiki/GettingStarted |
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| 12:11.19 | dAnjou | eschmidbauer: i just followed the link in the readme |
| 12:11.25 | eschmidbauer | oh thanks |
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| 12:11.27 | eschmidbauer | i didn't see that |
| 12:11.33 | dAnjou | eh? |
| 12:12.56 | eschmidbauer | failed |
| 12:12.59 | eschmidbauer | tools/clang/scripts/update.sh doesn't exist |
| 12:13.16 | dAnjou | eschmidbauer: conntact the authors then |
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| 12:22.27 | Miesco | How do I set my default sound card? |
| 12:22.51 | Miesco | tremon: Yea I got it to work, but I have to run pavucontrol, and that is a gui app |
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| 12:23.19 | SynrG | !default alsa |
| 12:23.19 | dpkg | Use the /etc/asound.conf or ~/.asoundrc configuration files to set your default sound card. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/MultipleCards for more information. You can also configure it in pavucontrol if you are using PulseAudio. |
| 12:23.27 | SynrG | oh. pulse |
| 12:23.32 | SynrG | with pulse it's different |
| 12:23.51 | SynrG | oh, and the factoid covers that, yeah :) |
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| 12:29.07 | tremon | Miesco: make sure you have load-module module-switch-on-connect in your pulse settings |
| 12:29.25 | tremon | it should automatically set the last-connected audio device as default |
| 12:29.38 | tremon | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Bluetooth_Headset has been my primary source of information |
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| 12:35.39 | tremon | Miesco: in the absence of that module, there's also pacmd set-default-sink and pacmd list-sinks |
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| 12:39.22 | Miesco | So I put load-module module-switch-on-connect in ~/.config/pulse/default.pa? |
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| 12:42.05 | tremon | yes, or /etc/pulse/default.pa |
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| 12:43.26 | Miesco | tremon: But isn't pulseaudio ran as user? Will it look at /etc/pulse/default.pa? |
| 12:44.18 | tremon | afaik, pulseaudio always first reads the /etc/ files, regardless of under which account it is running |
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| 12:45.16 | tremon | putting it in /etc/ means other users on the same machine don't need to edit their own config |
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| 12:45.46 | Miesco | Also, I have mpd running as a user 'mpd'. Do I need to have it as my local user to have pulse+mpd? |
| 12:46.16 | tremon | yup. Not only that, but mpd will need access to your dbus session |
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| 12:46.33 | tremon | and since mpd usually starts before you login, that's pretty much impossible |
| 12:46.55 | anddam | I have an audio question as well, I'd like to have both the HDMI digital audio output and the analog jack working for headphones, my aplay -l output https://gist.github.com/anddam/f34bf2e7aac7b470d47a and this is what the mixers show http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4576782/Selection_001.jpg |
| 12:47.15 | tremon | I have solved it by giving the mpd user its own dbus/pulseaudio session |
| 12:47.39 | anddam | it seems I do have the analog device (ALC283) but I cannot set its volume (I don't see any slider for it), also the xamples I see around have different "card" values, I got the same |
| 12:47.47 | anddam | any hint? is there a better suited channel for this? |
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| 12:50.20 | carp | hi guys. I am about to install Debian. I have a pc with xp on it. I have my debian CD ready. I am about to turn off the machine, unplug the hard drive with xp on it, plug in my new HD and install debian on it. |
| 12:50.23 | somiaj | anddam: on my laptop with hdmi, the hdmi doesn't have a sound slider, that is left for the actual hdmi device you plug it into to set the volume. |
| 12:50.43 | anddam | somiaj: correct, in fact the monitor speaker volume isn't affected by the mixer |
| 12:50.57 | anddam | somiaj: the point is I don't get any audio signal when connecting speakers |
| 12:51.06 | somiaj | anddam: this is a laptop? |
| 12:51.11 | anddam | Intel NUC |
| 12:51.17 | anddam | one of the little thingies |
| 12:51.34 | jelly | with a mobile cpu and a mobile chipset |
| 12:51.37 | somiaj | anddam: did you change the default sound card? By default sound only goes though card 0 unless you change that or use something like pulseaudio. |
| 12:51.39 | carp | I have installed debian once before but last year. I am just checking in here to see if there are any last minute tips. |
| 12:51.55 | anddam | so far it's the only drawback, I'd like to have the audio in monitor speakers, but if I connect the headphones I'd like to disable HDMI channel and have the headphones |
| 12:52.01 | somiaj | carp: sounds like you are just fine provided that hd you are using you are going to wipe the data on it. |
| 12:52.12 | anddam | somiaj: I don't know how to configure sound on debian |
| 12:52.31 | carp | somiaj: its brand new |
| 12:52.55 | anddam | I'm looking at snd-hda-intel option threads, but then I'm not sure how to apply those, removing and then reloading the kernel modules with modprobe? |
| 12:53.06 | somiaj | anddam: If you want to be able to switch audio sound cards on the fly, you may want to use pulseaudio. If you don't mind modifying $HOME/.asoundrc you can change the defautl card, but you'll ahve to reset all programs using the sound card. Though media players like vlc can be configured to use a specific sound card |
| 12:53.30 | anddam | I already have pulseaudio |
| 12:53.33 | somiaj | anddam: i.e. it might be your analog and hdmi are two seperate sound cards (I didn't look at your paste) in which case you ahve to swtich sound cards. alsa doesn't really support this as well as pulse |
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| 12:53.58 | somiaj | anddam: then get a tool to control pulse, pavucontrol is one if you don't like the system control features of your desktop |
| 12:53.59 | anddam | the card seems the same, all mixers have just one output device |
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| 12:54.04 | converge | tty1 is running a black screen, and I dont know what's that, is there a way to know it ? or close it ? it isnt gdm or another WM |
| 12:54.05 | carp | Something I am not sure about is related to Grub. Will the debian install try to install Grub over my current bios or something? Do i let it? |
| 12:54.09 | anddam | I attached screenshot of pavucontrol as well |
| 12:54.15 | anddam | it only shows the HDMI port |
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| 12:54.43 | tremon | carp: grub is installed on the harddisk, not in the bios |
| 12:54.45 | anddam | I'm using lxde that AFAICT doesn't offer a tool for that, I installed xfce4-mixer |
| 12:54.49 | somiaj | carp: you sound fine, can recover your old os if needed, and won't be installing in an enviroment. only issue I would point out is most wifi cards and some ethernet cards require non-free firmware which is not on the offical debian install discs. |
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| 12:55.09 | somiaj | carp: grub is installed on the harddisk, since you are replacing the whole harddisk you will be fine |
| 12:55.27 | carp | tremon: tremon somiaj yeah thats cool then! thankyou |
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| 12:56.30 | somiaj | anddam: cat /proc/asound/cards (do you see one or two sound cards?) |
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| 12:57.07 | anddam | somiaj: I see only one entry HDA-Intel - HDA Intel PCH |
| 12:57.27 | anddam | that seems coherent with the single card in aplay -l |
| 12:57.36 | anddam | aplay lists one card but two devices |
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| 12:57.49 | somiaj | anddam: now that i looked at y our paste. You have one sound card with two devices. You need to change the device not the card. Unsure how to do this with pavucontrol |
| 12:58.00 | somiaj | yea, you should be able to chagne the device. I know how to do it in alsa, not pulse |
| 12:58.54 | anddam | since I know nothing about how the sound works in linux I'd gladly drop pulseaudio and use alsa, if that's an option |
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| 12:59.50 | pirithous | just think of a 40 layer cake |
| 12:59.54 | somiaj | anddam: if you want to switch on the fly, you'll probabaly find pulseaudio better. |
| 13:00.01 | somiaj | anddam: I just don't use it so I'm not of much help |
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| 13:00.27 | anddam | somiaj: ok, now I'm looking "pulseaudio change device", this is a step forward at least |
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| 13:00.32 | carp | I will log off now from this machine, and log in from another. |
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| 13:00.46 | Blanc0 | +26 |
| 13:00.54 | Blanc0 | Oops |
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| 13:02.06 | shecki | hi, ich hab ein echt seltsames problem: ich habe von einem uralten server einen tomcat samt installierter webapps auf einen neuen server kopiert (deploy unter neuem server mit neuem tomcat geht nicht, weil viel zu altes java). das starten des alten tomcats scheitert nun schon daran, dass das in diesem vorhandene java nicht "startet" |
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| 13:02.25 | shecki | konkret bekomme ich immer "file not found" auch von der CLI aus, wenn ich die java binary aufrufen will |
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| 13:02.51 | shecki | pfad stimmt, x-flag vorhanden, ordner im gleichen pfad wie auf dem alten server, falls irgendwo manuelle pfade drin standen |
| 13:03.08 | shecki | jemand eine idee, warum er immer "java: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden" anmeckert? |
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| 13:04.26 | shpank | shecki: symlink in /usr/bin/java gesetzt? |
| 13:04.34 | shpank | bzw /etc/alternatives/java |
| 13:04.40 | shecki | nope, ich rufe es aber auch als ./java auf |
| 13:04.48 | shecki | ist auch auf dem alten server nicht gelinkt |
| 13:05.12 | shecki | sprich kompletter pfad zur binary |
| 13:05.12 | fraff | shecki: in english please |
| 13:05.25 | shecki | ah sry thought to be indebian.de |
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| 13:06.46 | shecki | i'll try it in the german channel first, it#s much easier to explain in the own language :) |
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| 13:14.40 | anddam | is there a pulseaudio channel? |
| 13:14.57 | authorized | hi, is this a beginner friendly OS? |
| 13:14.58 | anddam | oh TIAS |
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| 13:16.41 | abrotman | authorized: Depends on your skill set |
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| 13:17.00 | authorized | abrotman, I am a complete newbie |
| 13:17.01 | jelly | authorized: not really. Some of the defaults make things harder than possible. |
| 13:17.29 | authorized | I am advised by many to use Debian |
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| 13:17.50 | abrotman | authorized: with computers, or just linux? |
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| 13:18.02 | mtn | authorized: as long as you are willing to read and learn, debian is pretty easy |
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| 13:18.22 | authorized | abrotman, I want to switch |
| 13:18.29 | authorized | I see |
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| 13:19.19 | mtn | authorized: it has good documentation. start by reading the wiki and install docs |
| 13:19.28 | authorized | ok |
| 13:19.33 | authorized | thanks for help |
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| 13:20.59 | GunnerWolf | So.. telling somebody to do rm -r -f /* to fix their problem is the equivalent of the "Delete system32" joke right? |
| 13:21.15 | abrotman | GunnerWolf: please don't repeat that here |
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| 13:21.44 | authorized | is debian a secure OS? is it build with security? |
| 13:22.04 | fraff | authorized: all OSs claim to be secure, even windows |
| 13:22.22 | authorized | so Windows is not secure of the box? |
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| 13:24.09 | somiaj | authorized: if you run debian stable the security team provides security fixes via security.debian.org. This ofcourse only stops new exploits that are found. Lots of security is depending on use case. |
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| 13:24.40 | somiaj | authorized: The defaults are fairly secure and sane, but they can be more secure, you should look up 'harding debian'. There is also a security tracker so you can see what CVE's have been patched in debian stable |
| 13:24.49 | jonadab | Any computer is perfectly secure if you disconnect it from the network and lock it in a perfectly secure room with no users. |
| 13:25.16 | jonadab | In the real world, there are always trade-offs. |
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| 13:26.25 | authorized | ok |
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| 13:26.38 | authorized | jonadab, but the idea you are providing don't work in the real world |
| 13:26.40 | authorized | you know? |
| 13:26.54 | authorized | oh you already said it |
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| 13:27.18 | GunnerWolf | abrotman: I never intended to actually tell people to do it, I was just asking out of curiosity |
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| 13:27.37 | abrotman | GunnerWolf: Right, shouldn't be repeated or suggested |
| 13:27.42 | jelly | GunnerWolf: try not to mention it. Next time you might get an insta-ban |
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| 13:28.10 | Samfreenode | SynrG: Is is bad to mount /tmp to RAM? Will it slow down my pC? |
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| 13:29.28 | jonadab | Ok, so Synaptic is saying "E: virtualbox-ose: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exist status 1". This is on squeeze. Any idea what to do about that? |
| 13:29.29 | SynrG | Samfreenode: i suspect not |
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| 13:29.51 | SynrG | a system with adequate ram to begin with should be able to spare enough for /tmp |
| 13:30.05 | themill | Samfreenode: tmpfs is a great way of speeding up some workloads. The desktop developers list that as their preferred configuration |
| 13:30.06 | somiaj | Samfreenode: if anything it would speed it up, it is common to use tmpfs on /tmp. Note some desktop apps can write large things to /tmp, for a while flash would store the vidoes there and if your tmpfs is small you can fill up /tmp |
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| 13:30.46 | SynrG | Samfreenode: also, please address your general questions to the channel and not to specific helpers, even if they've helped you in the past. |
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| 13:30.57 | SynrG | we're smarter as a group than individuals |
| 13:31.00 | anddam | somiaj: pavucontrol had a Configuration panel in which I could choose between HDMI Output and Analog audio output (among others), the latter makes both HDMI and Analog devices appear and then I can route the playback to any of them |
| 13:31.14 | Samfreenode | somiaj: Yeah I'm worried about Flash, I don't want to store videos in /tmp... |
| 13:31.17 | anddam | now I have audio in headphones, but I cannot revert to the HDMI monitor again |
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| 13:32.24 | somiaj | Samfreenode: Will depend on use case here, I'm just pointing this out as I recall someone having an issue with /tmp to short. Not sure if the new version of pepperflash still uses /tmp, but the old one did. |
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| 13:33.04 | somiaj | anddam: keep playing around with it. I thought one of the advantages of pulseaudio was to allow sound cards/devices to be switched on the fly. |
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| 13:33.59 | Samfreenode | somiaj: What is pepperflash? |
| 13:34.26 | Samfreenode | Does anyone else here struggle to get 5.1 Pulseaudio virtual surround sound to work properly in CS:GO? |
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| 13:35.08 | somiaj | Samfreenode: except for security fixes (which are slow) adobe doesn't provided flash for linux anymore (it hasn't been upgraded in years) |
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| 13:35.25 | Samfreenode | somiaj: wow wtf? |
| 13:35.36 | somiaj | Samfreenode: pepperflash is the Papi (pepper) that chromiumium/google-chrome uses, and it is more up todate, but only usable in chromium |
| 13:35.43 | Samfreenode | somiaj: I srsly hope Flash dies, every day I learn something new about how it sucks |
| 13:35.47 | somiaj | i.e. I think the standard flash in linux is still version 12.x |
| 13:35.51 | Samfreenode | somiaj: Stupid Twitch still uses Flash though |
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| 13:36.20 | somiaj | unless you use the flash bundeled with google-chrome or pepperflash in chromium (which is just the flash extracted from google-chrome) |
| 13:36.42 | Samfreenode | somiaj: So Flash in Firefox is dead now then? |
| 13:36.56 | Samfreenode | somiaj: Why can't you just use Pepperflash with Firefox? |
| 13:37.04 | jonadab | would rather install Windows on his computer than Flash. |
| 13:37.21 | SynrG | hmm? Flash in *Chrome* is dead |
| 13:37.30 | SynrG | er, adobe flash |
| 13:37.50 | SynrG | firefox still uses the adobe one, right? |
| 13:38.00 | themill | yes |
| 13:38.05 | SynrG | (s/firefox/iceweasel/) |
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| 13:38.33 | SynrG | so for those of us with both browsers and whole like to switch back and forth, we need both installed if we want flash on both. |
| 13:39.05 | somiaj | Samfreenode: firefox doesn't support PAPI only NAPI so it has to use the version from adobe, which hasn't been updated in linux for years (besides slow but at least steady security fixes) |
| 13:39.23 | Samfreenode | I swear I will uninstall Flash for good once Twitch gets HTML5 |
| 13:39.33 | somiaj | well chromimum cannot use the NAPI flash, it has to use the PAPI one, so you'll have to install both if you ahve both browers. |
| 13:40.48 | SynrG | anyway, you were saying earlier, sam, how you like that Linux gives you choices :) |
| 13:40.56 | SynrG | this is the other edge of that sword |
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| 13:41.55 | Samfreenode | SynrG: My choice is to either use a shit Flash or a shit browser? |
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| 13:42.50 | somiaj | Samfreenode: they are all crap, just depends which one you can stand better for browers. I like chromium myself, but firefox just annoyed me for years (granted it has fixed those annoying things I just never switched back) |
| 13:42.52 | SynrG | Samfreenode: the point is that it's rarely this black and white. there are times when switching browsers can save your day, and it's nice to have that choie. |
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| 13:42.54 | SynrG | choice* |
| 13:42.55 | Samfreenode | SynrG: That's not much of a choice! |
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| 13:43.06 | tremon | Samfreenode: there's a non-shit flash? |
| 13:43.15 | somiaj | note I don't use google-chrome |
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| 13:43.20 | Samfreenode | tremon: Yeah it's called HTML5 |
| 13:43.25 | somiaj | you could try gnash. I haven't gone that route, but some get some flash compadability with it. |
| 13:43.49 | somiaj | Samfreenode: flash still does things HTML5 can't. But what most use flash for (watching videos) it is fine. |
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| 13:44.30 | jonadab | tremon: There's not. |
| 13:44.58 | jonadab | The entire *purpose* of Flash is to make the web browsing experience grossly unpleasant. |
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| 13:45.11 | SynrG | heh |
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| 13:45.22 | Samfreenode | jonadab: lmao |
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| 13:45.44 | SPF | !ot |
| 13:45.44 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 13:45.45 | Samfreenode | Flash is redundant nowadays, it's just that Twitch hasn't transitioned to HTML5 yet |
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| 13:46.14 | SynrG | and yes, bitching about Flash (or s/Flash/<your-favorite-rant>/) is OT |
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| 13:46.43 | Samfreenode | SynrG: wtf you told me to leave #debian-ot and come here |
| 13:46.51 | SynrG | did i say leave? no. |
| 13:47.04 | SynrG | i just said your question about /tmp performance belonged here. |
| 13:47.04 | jelly | Samfreenode: ask tech questions here. Chat there. |
| 13:47.32 | SynrG | it's really simple. and we are somewhat flexible. just make a best effort, and don't take it personally if someone asks you to take it to the appropriate channel |
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| 14:03.36 | anddam | seems I'm almost all set |
| 14:03.49 | anddam | pulseaudio required a bit of tweaking |
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| 14:04.16 | anddam | one thing I'd like to have is a quick launcher à -la-Spotlight on OS X, I guess there are many alternatives |
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| 14:04.53 | anddam | any hint? I'd mainly like to a) type-guess an application by typing a few letters of its name and b) do math in the quick launcher window |
| 14:04.59 | anddam | I use b) all the time and I'm missing it |
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| 14:06.02 | anddam | also can shutter be called using a keyboard shortcut in whatever program I'm in? |
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| 14:12.45 | tremon | anddam: gnome-do perhaps? Don't know if it does arithmetic though |
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| 14:15.58 | anddam | will check, I look for something that doesn't have many dependencies, anything GNOME-something scares me a bit |
| 14:16.16 | GunnerWolf-Phone | Raspbian uses the Mate DE right? |
| 14:16.44 | SynrG | who knows? OT. Raspbian is not supported here. |
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| 14:29.00 | darxmurf | have a good week-end folks |
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| 14:44.07 | anddam | how do I put a volume control in lxde systray? |
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| 14:45.25 | SynrG | right-click lxpanel, Add/Remove Panel Items, Add, Volume Control |
| 14:45.34 | SynrG | it goes on the panel, not in the systray |
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| 14:47.17 | anddam | I'm not sure what "the panel" is |
| 14:47.31 | anddam | oh the icon on the left |
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| 14:47.59 | SynrG | the panel? it's the thing you're probably incorrectly calling the "systray" |
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| 14:48.23 | SynrG | lxpanel occupies the whole bottom (or top, depends on configuraion) edge of the screen |
| 14:48.37 | SynrG | configuration* |
| 14:48.53 | anddam | ah, yes, I actually meant the sys tray, but placing the volume plugin in the panel (near the System Tray item) works just as well |
| 14:48.55 | anddam | thanks |
| 14:49.02 | SynrG | k |
| 14:49.15 | SynrG | i've also borrowed things from xfce |
| 14:49.21 | SynrG | i use xfce4-volumed |
| 14:49.47 | anddam | when you said "the panel" I actually confused that with the "Application Launcher bar" on the left |
| 14:49.51 | SynrG | provides bindings for volup voldown keys on my keyboard and OSD |
| 14:49.58 | SynrG | ah. right |
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| 15:33.52 | psihnofrost | hi all. as I can see what distributive of debian I use |
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| 15:34.21 | AvocetVIS | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 15:34.38 | mtn | psihnofrost: also: lsb_release -a |
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| 15:37.30 | psihnofrost | very thank you |
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| 15:41.53 | Guest30807 | I'm having trouble understanding why I my_hostname.local resolves via e.g. ping, but doesn't come back via e.g. dig/nslookup. |
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| 15:43.18 | nmschulte | I am Guest30807. |
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| 15:43.27 | valdyn | nmschulte: .local is probably not and should not be used in dns |
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| 15:43.42 | jelly | nmschulte: .local resolving is done via avahi/zeroconf/mdns |
| 15:43.43 | nmschulte | It's multicast DNS; how does ping resolve names then? |
| 15:43.49 | valdyn | nmschulte: the name resolution works because mdns is listed in /etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 15:43.51 | nmschulte | avahi/bonjour yarr? |
| 15:43.57 | jelly | matey |
| 15:44.16 | nmschulte | files myhostname mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4 |
| 15:44.18 | jelly | and _ is not a valid character for real dns |
| 15:44.29 | nmschulte | my_hostname is not accurate |
| 15:44.37 | nmschulte | apologies |
| 15:44.42 | jelly | np |
| 15:44.46 | nmschulte | how can I query avahi? |
| 15:44.49 | valdyn | nmschulte: dig uses *not* the internal resolver, but only dns |
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| 15:45.00 | valdyn | nmschulte: s/internal/system/ |
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| 15:45.22 | jelly | nmschulte: directly? Dunno. you can query the resolver with "getent hosts some.host.name" |
| 15:45.23 | nmschulte | Whats the name of that system? |
| 15:45.28 | valdyn | nmschulte: avahi-browse? |
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| 15:45.52 | nmschulte | getent hosts -- that's helpful, thanks |
| 15:45.58 | valdyn | nmschulte: its mdns aka bonjour ( I believe). |
| 15:46.05 | nmschulte | yeah |
| 15:46.09 | nmschulte | getent was the magic I wanted |
| 15:46.15 | nmschulte | NSS is the system |
| 15:46.31 | nmschulte | that sits above ("below") DNS. |
| 15:46.45 | valdyn | nmschulte: system resolver |
| 15:46.47 | nmschulte | s/above ("below")/below ("above")/ |
| 15:46.55 | nmschulte | system resolver == NSS? |
| 15:47.00 | nmschulte | there are alternatives? |
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| 15:47.46 | valdyn | nmschulte: it belongs to the C standard libarary, you cannot easily change that |
| 15:48.13 | jelly | well, you can: avoid using glibc :-) |
| 15:48.22 | valdyn | of course |
| 15:48.28 | valdyn | but thats not debian then |
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| 15:49.19 | valdyn | nmschulte: ping uses gethostbyname(), dig uses its own mechanism |
| 15:49.55 | jelly | host is the silliest: reads resolv.conf manually |
| 15:49.58 | blackflow | How about that! Debian switched back to glibc... I had no idea. |
| 15:50.08 | jelly | switched back? |
| 15:50.13 | blackflow | from elibcx |
| 15:50.15 | blackflow | *elibc |
| 15:50.22 | tremon | eglibc |
| 15:50.23 | valdyn | eglibc? |
| 15:50.32 | jelly | eglibc was basically a distro of glibc |
| 15:50.38 | blackflow | yeah, embedded, follwing that outfall with Drepper |
| 15:50.38 | valdyn | not like that makes any difference except for the packager |
| 15:50.43 | blackflow | *fallout |
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| 15:51.24 | blackflow | it doesn't, I just didn't know Deb switched back, and now that you mentioned glibc, I had to check since I thought it was eglibc |
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| 15:57.37 | nmschulte | NSS is part of cstd lib? valdyn |
| 15:58.12 | nmschulte | I thought it was eglibc too yet |
| 15:58.53 | GunnerWolf-Phone | So at this point in time, how stable is Jessie? |
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| 15:59.34 | jelly | nmschulte: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_Service_Switch |
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| 15:59.59 | mtn | GunnerWolf-Phone: it better be pretty stable, since it may come out in a few weeks ;) |
| 16:00.26 | GunnerWolf-Phone | Is there a set date? |
| 16:00.29 | jelly | !wwjr |
| 16:00.30 | dpkg | Debian 8 "Jessie" will release on 2015-04-25; ask me about <wheezy->jessie>. There's plenty of bugs still to squash so ask me about <how-can-i-help>, <jessie freeze>, <jessie pool 1>. See <https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2015/03/msg00016.html> |
| 16:00.38 | mtn | GunnerWolf-Phone: and I thought it was fine several weeks ago, but you never know for sure. |
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| 16:04.50 | GunnerWolf-Phone | So as somebody who's never updated debian, I assume it's possible to update from wheezy to Jessie without losing all my data? |
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| 16:05.12 | jelly | GunnerWolf-Phone: doing a release upgrade in place is one of Debian's strong points. |
| 16:05.24 | mtn | GunnerWolf-Phone: upgrades like that are supported, but you should always have backups anyway |
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| 16:05.29 | SynrGy | GunnerWolf-Phone: as with all releases, however, read the release notes first |
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| 16:06.56 | jelly | I got bit by postfix config incompatibilities; apache 2.4 has completely different access control syntax; that kind of stuff gets a mention in the release notes |
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| 16:07.01 | GunnerWolf-Phone | Nice, I'm fairly new to debian only started using it because I used to use my RPi for work, and got used to raspbian at work. So when I upgraded to an actual computer, debian seemed the logical option |
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| 16:08.30 | GunnerWolf-Phone | Is there a changelog for Jessie yet? |
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| 16:10.04 | jelly | GunnerWolf-Phone: major changes are noted in the release notes. |
| 16:10.13 | jelly | GunnerWolf-Phone: go read: https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/release-notes/ |
| 16:10.32 | GunnerWolf-Phone | Ah thanks |
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| 16:24.55 | magyar | hi, is "update-flashplugin-nonfree" broken in jessie, I'm not able to update to 11.2.202.457 |
| 16:25.19 | SynrG | what are you typing and what happens? |
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| 16:25.28 | SynrG | what does update-flashplugin-nonfree --status say? |
| 16:26.16 | SynrG | mine says i have .451 and .457 is available ... |
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| 16:26.31 | awal | magyar: yes there s a new version of flash but it wont update right. It happens frekently. just wait a few days and you will be able to update it. same issue here |
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| 16:26.59 | magyar | thanks awal |
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| 16:27.43 | SynrG | magyar, awal: yup. and --verbose gives some info about it: http://paste.debian.net/167364/ |
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| 16:29.08 | SynrG | looks like in spite of the fact it claims .457 is available, it downloads .451 instead |
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| 16:31.06 | SynrG | interestingly if i pull out of that log the path and change .451 to .457 and then wget ... |
| 16:31.22 | magyar | SynrG: yeap, I get the exact same thing |
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| 16:50.06 | duelle_ | Hi there, I want to set up an encrypted dedicated server with remote unlock using dropbear/busybox/ssh. Unfortunately the network setup seems to fail (eth0 such device). Are there other ways to unlock a LUKS encrypted server via ssh? |
| 16:50.20 | duelle_ | *eth0 no such device |
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| 16:54.47 | nmschulte | jelly: very nice, thanks. |
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| 16:59.02 | frostschutz | duelle_, well, you have to load the network module for your card, probably |
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| 17:03.13 | anddam | just noticed that when I suspend my system then it goes silent, typing a key on the usb keyboard wakes it up but then the USB devices go dead, the optical mouse isn't lit anymore and the keyboard doesn't work (even if it just woke up the system) |
| 17:03.26 | anddam | is this a matter of ACPI/power management and what should I be looking for? |
| 17:03.47 | anddam | I have a recent chipset and installed 3.16.0 from testing for that |
| 17:03.51 | anddam | (actually moved to testing) |
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| 17:06.02 | duelle_ | frostschutz, so I have to just add the corresponding module (in my case it seems to be e1000) to /etc/modules? Or do I have to do something elso to be able it in the initramfs? |
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| 17:09.32 | linuxd | how to fix this? http://paste.debian.net/167369/ |
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| 17:18.26 | marvilleke | Im running debian testing but i cant get the new login before gdm get an update for new installed kernels |
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| 17:19.26 | stakewinner00 | how to fix /init 401: touch not found (on boot) I will wait to fix it automagically I think? |
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| 17:22.54 | bsdator | centrx: bit u don't use nvidia |
| 17:23.10 | bsdator | centrx: bit i don't use nvidia |
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| 17:29.56 | marvilleke | thnxs centrx |
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| 17:33.40 | jelly | bsdator: can you just start xine, then configure it to force use a different output and decoder driver instead of trying vdpau? |
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| 17:55.19 | Spida | hi |
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| 18:06.32 | Spida | how are bluetooth hid (mouse, keyboard) devices intended to be used currently (jessie)? package bluez-compat containing hidd is not available in neither jessie nor sid... |
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| 18:12.39 | tremon | package bluez replaces: bluez-input, so I guess it's in the main package |
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| 18:18.26 | AvocetVIS | seems to be no "easy" way to install adb and fastboot |
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| 18:21.21 | tremon | AvocetVIS: they're available in jessie |
| 18:21.53 | AvocetVIS | thx tremon |
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| 18:22.31 | tremon | that still requires a dist-upgrade if you're on wheezy right now, but given that jessie is one week from release it may be your easiest option |
| 18:23.15 | Spida | AvocetVIS: afaik they were available in wheezy, too |
| 18:23.32 | tremon | ,v android-tools-adb |
| 18:23.33 | judd | Package: android-tools-adb on i386 -- wheezy-backports: 4.2.2+git20130529-3~bpo70+1; sid: 4.2.2+git20130529-5.1; jessie: 4.2.2+git20130529-5.1 |
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| 18:23.45 | tremon | yes, they're in wheezy-backports |
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| 18:24.26 | AvocetVIS | wheezy-backports for adb seems |
| 18:24.31 | AvocetVIS | yeah, thx guys |
| 18:24.54 | tremon | android-tools-fastboot is in backports as well |
| 18:25.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | *sigh* picture from pidgin opened in internet explorer using wine |
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| 18:28.56 | Akuw | i have Grub Error 15 |
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| 18:29.17 | Akuw | i can fix using super grub disk but site is down |
| 18:29.29 | Akuw | any secure place to download? |
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| 18:31.22 | tremon | Akuw: since you're asking in #debian, I'll gladly point you to the http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/ netinst.iso which also has a rescue mode |
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| 18:31.55 | julius_- | hi |
| 18:32.11 | Krakakanok | hello julius_- |
| 18:32.26 | julius_- | can i install debian testing with gnome from debian...testing....dvd1.iso or do i need dvd2 and 3 also? |
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| 18:33.18 | waks | julius_: Yes, even with CD1 only, no need for the DVD flavour |
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| 18:33.47 | Krakakanok | i prefer install gnome of other later |
| 18:33.53 | teraflop | CutMeOwnThroat: i asked the same several times, http://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ#head-c847a3ded88bac0e61aae0037fa7dbd4c7ae042a |
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| 18:36.37 | tremon | teraflop: thanks! |
| 18:37.30 | teraflop | CutMeOwnThroat: or just delete the .desktop files wine creates |
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| 18:39.14 | teraflop | to be fair i just asked because i was curious at this behaviour too |
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| 18:41.37 | converge | Does Debian project have a goal list, or a management team, or something that drives the project ? |
| 18:42.27 | Mousey | no |
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| 18:42.35 | Mousey | it's all just chaos and whimsy |
| 18:42.45 | Mousey | also I'm lying |
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| 18:44.04 | Krakakanok | xD |
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| 19:15.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | teraflop, hmm, interesting, but as the point where you already installed it is the one where you notice... and I don't think I have a .desktop wine file (nor do I think it would/should make a difference?) |
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| 19:16.36 | somiaj | if you use wine to install software, the 'create a short cut' turns into creating a .desktop file and putting it somewhere in $HOME |
| 19:17.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes... but that doesn't change file associations, I think |
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| 19:19.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | teraflop, hmm... anway this ways "Users who do not want the installer for a Windows app to change filetype associations" |
| 19:19.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, I see... the app being IE |
| 19:19.31 | somiaj | CutMeOwnThroat: I didn't see your actual issue. But wine can call any of the free desktop tools, and if xdg-open or xdg-mime can then deal with desktop assoications. |
| 19:20.06 | somiaj | and most desktops, file managers and stuff use these tools so file assoications can change. |
| 19:20.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | somiaj, the thing that clicking on picture links (this time in pidgin) opens the picture in internet explorer |
| 19:20.43 | somiaj | CutMeOwnThroat: check out xdg-open and xdg-mime I bet ya it is a combination of those tools that were used to change assoications. |
| 19:20.57 | somiaj | i.e. you can use xdg-mime and look for the default action to do with picture links. |
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| 19:23.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | somiaj, well, xdg-open opens in IE |
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| 19:23.45 | somiaj | CutMeOwnThroat: and xdg-open uses the info from xdg-mime which can be configured. I recall it is always a pain to rember the syntax to use xdg-mime, but you can change the 'defaults' |
| 19:23.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | but xdg-mime query default image/png (or image/jpg) prints nothing |
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| 19:24.29 | somiaj | CutMeOwnThroat: could it be a link? I always struggle with this myself, finding the correct mime type to mess with. |
| 19:24.38 | somiaj | there may be a way to list them all |
| 19:25.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | somiaj, so do I... I "fixed" similar (the same) things once or twice... seeems to keep popping up |
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| 19:26.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, setting XDG_UTILS_DEBUG_LEVEL prints a couple of files that it's checking |
| 19:26.59 | pfred1 | anyone here run Wheezy? |
| 19:27.32 | somiaj | !anyone |
| 19:27.32 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 19:27.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | pfred1, are you kidding? anyone running the current stable distribution of debian in #debian?! |
| 19:27.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | the very thought of it! |
| 19:27.49 | Mousey | shakes head |
| 19:27.53 | pfred1 | well fuck it then |
| 19:27.54 | Mousey | chaos and whimsy! |
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| 19:28.03 | blackflow | gasps |
| 19:28.14 | Mousey | wait, what just happened |
| 19:28.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | (note sarcasm) |
| 19:28.38 | Mousey | it should be illegal to use IRC without a functioning sense of humor |
| 19:28.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | that was weird... I thought even without the tag it might have been quite obvious |
| 19:28.53 | somiaj | people are to easily offended on irc, because text does a terrible job at protraying emotion and people put wrong emotions on it. |
| 19:29.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | :( |
| 19:29.15 | Mousey | it's 2015 (by some calandars) though! you'd think people would be clued in |
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| 19:29.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | or perhaps he didn't like the !anyone |
| 19:29.31 | acz32 | and people have different ideas about what is humorous and what isn't |
| 19:29.36 | somiaj | CutMeOwnThroat: anyways, good luck with your xdg-mime issue. I always find I have to stumble around until I finally get it to work, and it is rarely easy (just my experience, I could never find any decent documentation) |
| 19:29.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | somiaj, maybe I can write up a factoid |
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| 19:30.18 | somiaj | yea maybe I just have always sucked at finding good document...oh my, i'm late, *poof* |
| 19:30.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, the only file that xdg-mime seems to check and that I have is /home/k/.local/share//applications/mimeapps.list |
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| 19:30.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | and the only entry that could be related is application/x-wine-extension-cfg=tea.desktop |
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| 19:31.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | unfortunately commenting that out changes nothing |
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| 19:33.07 | teraflop | CutMeOwnThroat: are you in a DE? |
| 19:33.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | teraflop, mh, not so easy to answer... I started out with gnome and kicked it using openbox --replace when it ate my cpu |
| 19:34.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | debugging output of xdg-open still prints Selected DE gnome3 |
| 19:34.35 | Krakakanok | dwm rulz!! |
| 19:34.44 | teraflop | CutMeOwnThroat: gnome and KDE bypasses xdg mime stuff and use their own |
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| 19:36.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh ... seems you were right about the .desktop... found it with strace |
| 19:36.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | $HOME/.local/share/applications/wine-extension-jpg.desktop |
| 19:36.25 | Fahrradkette | Hey guys. Is the version of a .deb packet the same as the version of the underlying binary? I.e. does "mono-runtime 3.2.8+dfsg-10" correspond to the mono version or is it just some arbitrary number? |
| 19:36.31 | teraflop | CutMeOwnThroat: also use xdg-mimr query/set for changing the stuff |
| 19:37.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | wow, .local/share/applications is full of them |
| 19:37.11 | teraflop | CutMeOwnThroat: just delete the ones wine created |
| 19:37.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's only a 120 :) |
| 19:37.29 | teraflop | there's no need of editing stuff |
| 19:37.35 | teraflop | xd |
| 19:37.35 | tremon | Fahrradkette: there's no technical solution enforcing that convention, but yes, 3.2.8 should be the upstream version |
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| 19:38.01 | acz32 | is there any way to install a DE without its file manager and bundled software? --no-install-recommends doesn't cut out enough of the bloat |
| 19:38.12 | Fahrradkette | tremon: thanks :) |
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| 19:38.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | haha... now xdg-open uses imagej to open pictures |
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| 19:38.47 | teraflop | CutMeOwnThroat: then xg-mime query / default what you want to change |
| 19:38.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's an improvement, though |
| 19:39.05 | teraflop | sorry the typos I'm on the phone |
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| 19:39.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | xdg-mime query default image/png seems somewhat broken... I think it should have shown me the file |
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| 19:40.22 | teraflop | CutMeOwnThroat: look at this stuff it is distro agnostic https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xdg-open |
| 19:40.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | teraflop / somiaj thanks... I'll look a bit further but put ~/.local/share/applications into a factoid (can see when the next guy has it if it's generally there) |
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| 19:41.31 | teraflop | CutMeOwnThroat: ;) |
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| 19:54.47 | blackflow | quick question: 4x1TB HDD server... should I use 4 swap partitions, or 1 x RAID 0 swap partition? I don't expect to use swap, but if it gets used, I want it fast of course. |
| 19:55.18 | tremon | blackflow: can you tolerate application or kernel crashes when a disk is removed? |
| 19:55.42 | blackflow | tremon: well I prefer no crash, hence the data and root will be raid 10 |
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| 19:56.07 | tremon | you need some redundancy for swap as well |
| 19:56.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | teraflop, \o/ got it to use eog, which is the sanest I could think of at the moment, thanks |
| 19:56.31 | blackflow | good point I never thought about that... I'll just stick the swap into a raid 10 partition then |
| 19:56.33 | tremon | if a piece of memory is discardable, it will never get written to swap anyway. |
| 19:56.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | maybe feh would be better, not sure |
| 19:56.44 | blackflow | true. |
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| 19:57.12 | teraflop | CutMeOwnThroat: np, just remember that gnome and kde use their own stuff |
| 19:58.33 | acz32 | why can i not purge a file manager without also removing its associated desktop environment |
| 19:58.36 | blackflow | tremon: would you perhaps know if grub2 in Jessie is capable of loading the kernel from a raid 10 partition? Or should I stick with raid 1 for /boot |
| 19:58.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | teraflop, let's see what happens when I switch to gnome |
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| 19:59.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | teraflop, nope, same behavior |
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| 19:59.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | at least the gnome3 in wheezy seems to use the same mechanisms |
| 20:00.08 | tremon | blackflow: I believe it should be able to read raid10, but I have never tried that myself |
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| 20:01.18 | blackflow | tremon: well I was just curious, I'll stick with raid 1 for boot. |
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| 20:05.38 | teraflop | CutMeOwnThroat: uhm, newer gnome uses gvfs-mime |
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| 20:07.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | teraflop, but that also reads the data in .local/share/applications/mimeapps.list |
| 20:08.03 | teraflop | CutMeOwnThroat: or it's coincidence since eog may be the gnome default? |
| 20:08.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | nope... just changed it and looked what gvfs-mime thinks it should use |
| 20:08.25 | teraflop | CutMeOwnThroat: uhm i don't know i do not use debian as desktop |
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| 20:24.30 | dysinger | is there a way to just go ahead and install missing dependencies for a failed `dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc` ? |
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| 20:25.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | dysinger, possibly apt-get build-dep <packagename> |
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| 20:26.13 | dysinger | but my package is new (itâs mine) |
| 20:26.25 | dysinger | I donât think that will work (thanxs though) |
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| 20:27.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | then only you can know what the missing build dependency is... |
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| 20:28.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | but you can use apt-file to search for the package that has the files that are missing |
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| 20:30.19 | somiaj | dysinger: build deps can also be an issue since libary version sometimes matter, and you want to be veary vareful when changing the versions of libaries on a debian system. |
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| 20:32.15 | dysinger | thanks folks - I appreciate |
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| 20:37.23 | eagt | test |
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| 20:38.37 | eagt | please how to list missing firmewares on terminal ? |
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| 20:40.49 | eagt | Please quick I have to sleep ! |
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| 20:41.43 | mtn | eagt: what makes you think you are missing any needed firmware? |
| 20:42.14 | eagt | When I begin my session there is a message. |
| 20:42.59 | mtn | eagt: is the meesage about hardware you are using? is there something not working? |
| 20:43.21 | mtn | eagt: some of the messages don't mean anything usefule |
| 20:43.27 | towo` | dmesg | grep -i firmw |
| 20:43.38 | eagt | yes a message tell me something like ilwifi firmewar not found. |
| 20:43.44 | eagt | thank |
| 20:43.48 | towo` | then install it |
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| 20:44.48 | eagt | Can I past the terminal answer there I do not like on pastebin. |
| 20:45.37 | eagt | please ? |
| 20:45.47 | eagt | http://paste.debian.net/167392/ |
| 20:46.13 | eagt | too late I done it |
| 20:46.19 | eagt | on pastebin |
| 20:46.26 | towo` | apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi |
| 20:46.31 | towo` | where is the problem? |
| 20:47.07 | eagt | I want to install on a usb key for next session and I prefer a free firmware. |
| 20:47.22 | eagt | for next installation |
| 20:47.39 | towo` | there is no "free" firmware for it |
| 20:47.44 | eagt | okay |
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| 20:50.43 | eagt | "Any version of the firmeware ilwifi pakage have been found but it exist on the data base It could been too old or it is disponible only on other sources. |
| 20:50.46 | eagt | " |
| 20:51.22 | eagt | It might be because I have not autorised the non-free softwares. |
| 20:51.22 | towo` | you need non-free, should be clear |
| 20:51.37 | eagt | on sources.list |
| 20:51.42 | eagt | let me 2 minutes |
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| 20:55.10 | eagt | I have the sources.list now I do not find on internet the good line to change and add non-free software after the main. |
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| 20:55.54 | AvocetVIS | deb http://mirrors.cat.pdx.edu/debian stable main contrib non-free |
| 20:55.56 | nkuttler | eagt: examples in man 5 sources.list |
| 20:55.58 | AvocetVIS | simple as that |
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| 21:01.41 | eagt | I have got the same message after change the sources.list lines. |
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| 21:02.06 | eagt | towo` |
| 21:02.27 | towo` | you have to apt-get update after changing the sources |
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| 21:03.37 | eagt | no |
| 21:04.05 | centrx | yes |
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| 21:08.56 | egzt | http://paste.debian.net/167394/ |
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| 21:11.30 | egzt | Please continue |
| 21:11.50 | egzt | And I want to install their on usb key. |
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| 21:12.38 | sweb | cp multiple dirs give me an error Argument list too long |
| 21:12.58 | sweb | how can i cp mydir/* dest/ -rf via many list of directories ? |
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| 21:14.19 | centrx | that should work |
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| 21:15.05 | egzt | what command ? |
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| 21:16.55 | centrx | egzt, What wireless card do you have? |
| 21:17.23 | egzt | Maybee ENVY dv7 |
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| 21:18.00 | centrx | Okay well that's your first step, find out what wireless card you have |
| 21:18.18 | egzt | okay let me the time |
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| 21:19.47 | egzt | http://paste.debian.net/167396/ |
| 21:20.26 | egzt | Intel Corporation Centrino Wireless-N 2230 (rev c4) |
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| 21:21.44 | centrx | egzt, Okay, it looks like that is in the 'iwlwifi' package. Is that package installed? |
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| 21:23.32 | egzt | I tried use apt-get install iwlwifi but the terminal does not find ilwifi. |
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| 21:24.06 | towo` | you should read, what's written! |
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| 21:24.37 | towo` | [22:46:25] <towo`> apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi |
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| 21:25.24 | egzt | Ilwifi is already installed. I am trying using it. |
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| 21:27.42 | towo` | [23:23:31] <egzt> I tried use apt-get install iwlwifi but the terminal does not find ilwifi. |
| 21:27.50 | towo` | your words does not make many sense |
| 21:28.22 | centrx | my mistake, I said package 'iwlwifi' |
| 21:28.40 | centrx | egzt, but yes it is difficult to communicate with you |
| 21:29.07 | towo` | egzt, and if you use wheezy, you should use the backports-kernel and backports-firmware |
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| 21:30.34 | eger | I have downloaded it but wi-fi does not run anymore. |
| 21:31.24 | towo` | i give up, you write many words but say nothing |
| 21:31.46 | Malinux | I have a server I had to reinsall. My /home is on another location, /raid/home can I use 'usermod -d /raid/home $USER' to move the /home/$USER to /raid/home/$USER without the command deleting anything at /raid/home/$USER ? |
| 21:32.11 | eger | I do not understand |
| 21:32.17 | eger | what you w |
| 21:32.19 | eger | mean |
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| 21:32.43 | Malinux | I already changed default home-diretory in /etc/default/useradd from /home to /raid/home |
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| 21:32.52 | Malinux | eger: I want to attach a user to an existing home-partition |
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| 21:33.03 | Malinux | on a none-standard location |
| 21:33.41 | Malinux | To be more specific. It's not a home-partiton, but home-path |
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| 21:33.45 | eger | I have not nicely explain you want I want. I want only download the firmewar on a usb key before reinstall. |
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| 21:34.09 | Malinux | ah, damn, I belived it was a question to me :S |
| 21:34.34 | eger | everyone is targeted |
| 21:34.59 | acz32 | apt-get download? |
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| 21:35.17 | Malinux | eger: I somehow belived your question was about my question. |
| 21:35.24 | eger | okay |
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| 22:01.56 | pankid | Is there any problem with updating my system including a kernel update, then waiting for next week when there is little traffic to do a reboot? |
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| 22:04.35 | LeoNerd | Hi all... Not a Debian-specific question as such, but am looking for some sysadmin rescue help-type advice on getting out of an LVM failed-disk scenario |
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| 22:09.23 | ripdisk | http://oSNAPnig.ga |
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| 22:12.14 | centrx | pankid, that's fine, but if you upgrade libraries used by application (libc6 the most), then those applications/services should be restarted |
| 22:12.46 | pankid | it is just a webserver, and apache or mysql can be restarted fairly quickly. |
| 22:13.02 | pankid | centrx: wont apt restart those for me though? |
| 22:13.21 | centrx | yes, but it's not foolproof, specifically security issues with libc6 |
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| 22:13.58 | centrx | when a package fixes security issues with a library |
| 22:14.40 | centrx | Theoretically you may not need to restart them at all (except to get the security update) |
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| 22:15.01 | centrx | but some apps could get confused, e.g. the web server might spin up multiple processes at different times |
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| 22:16.20 | jancsika | hello. i've got a garbled display when starting up either Cinnamon or Gnome 3, but all the other DEs (like XFCE and Enlightenment) look just fine. I just upgraded from Wheezy to Jessie. Any idea where to look to troubleshoot? |
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| 23:22.14 | efc | Hi, I'm using an old kernel (2.2.19) and would like to get the console in a true text mode instead of framebuffer. Tried several append options in lilo.conf. Any hints? |
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| 23:22.54 | efc | It was in text mode with the default kernel, switched in the ide-pci kernel, and it came back in vga16fb. |
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| 23:27.06 | hiexpo | ola all |
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| 23:27.22 | svetlana | hi hiexpo :) |
| 23:27.52 | blackflow | Guys, any ideas how to solve the problem of grub-install failing with 'double free or corruption' when run under jessie chroot with /boot and /root on raid1 and 10 respectively? it's erroring with disk 'mdXXX' not found, but I don't know why it cares about those since I'm installing grub to sdX |
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| 23:28.42 | hiexpo | hi svetlana |
| 23:28.54 | svetlana | hihi :) |
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| 23:36.38 | hiexpo | svetlana, almost winter there now ah. |
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| 23:38.02 | cwong2012 | can you open a screen remotely and run top? like: ssh remote01 'screen -S top top' |
| 23:38.08 | svetlana | hiexpo, eh it's how you look at it.. debian freeze is about to end :p |
| 23:38.09 | cwong2012 | i am getting Must be connected to a terminal |
| 23:38.32 | svetlana | cwong2012: does it have to be a oneliner? |
| 23:38.46 | cwong2012 | svetlana: no. cant be multi lines |
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| 23:39.00 | cwong2012 | ^cant^can |
| 23:39.26 | hiexpo | true |
| 23:39.29 | svetlana | does typing `screen -S top top' after 'ssh remote01' by hand work? |
| 23:40.00 | cwong2012 | svetlana: ya. that will work. |
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| 23:43.04 | cwong2012 | what about start a screen session running top and detach? like: screen -S top top; but i am back at my terminal instead of inside screen. without using ^AD |
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| 23:43.33 | cwong2012 | nevermind -d -m :D |
| 23:43.39 | hiexpo | lol |
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