IRC log for #debian on 20150420

00:00.03civillianyeah
00:00.19Hanson22civillian: meh, just isolating hosts
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00:03.02civillianHanson22: well if you're gateway is setup properly and you can ping it, chances are it's either your gateway firewalling something or there is no reverse route for your /30
00:04.12Hanson22civillian: I went back and changed it to a /28. That's why i was able to get the address in the first place
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00:41.47JoLeenIs a Live-USB enabled to install Deb. on the hard disk?
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00:42.58JoLeenam i devoiced?
00:43.11shay_shayWe can hear you
00:43.15brotherofabelyes it is enable JoLeen
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00:43.35JoLeenah, thankys  =)
00:43.39brotherofabel*enabled
00:43.53trysten`who` gives me a list of users logged in. how do i log them out?
00:46.57bblindytrysten: is this a public server?
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00:47.05dvstrysten: kill their shell?
00:47.59trystenbblindy: no lol
00:48.37trystendvs: that's what i thought, but i didn't know if there was a more graceful way to do it. i'm just killing an ssh tunnel i left running
00:49.01hkrrsxtrysten: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-kill-unix-linux-user-session/
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00:49.39sonanttest
00:49.47dvs!test
00:49.47dpkgTest failed.
00:50.53trystenoh crap. i left autossh running, not ssh. hahahahahaha
00:51.48sonanti have a beaglebone black running as an "access point", first by doing 'ip a a 192.168.5.0/24', then 'hostapd -dd /etc/hostapd/hostapd.conf', then '/etc/init.d/isc-dhcp-server start'. my phone can connect to the resulting wireless network, but i can't seem to echo or ping the beaglebone, which should be at 192.168.5.1
00:52.09BeastDebian is released! I assume the security team is issuing Jessie security updates
00:52.11sonanthow do i run a program to listen on a port of the access point?
00:52.24abrotmanBeast: uhm no
00:52.31abrotmanBeast: It is not released
00:52.55abrotmanWell, Jessie is not released
00:53.05sonantso, for example, i can ssh into the beaglebone black wirelessly while it's in my backpack
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00:53.20BeastShoot! ROFL I for some reason that it has been LOL
00:53.57dvsNo, Debian 8 is not released. ;-P
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00:54.17sonanti heard the computers on the ISS run debian now
00:54.35sonantpersonal computers*
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01:28.10sonantdo i have to do any weird routing things if i run hostapd + isc-dhcp-server on wlan0 to be able to ssh to my beaglebone black?
01:28.33sonantwithout router in between, just phone connecting to BBB and sshing
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02:04.18childsorryn by my silly question, but for example in a place without internet signal or whatever it is... how can i have all the apt packages stored in the server?
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02:05.33childand for the experienced how can I start to cresate  a simple linux suystem?
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02:13.38shay_shayChild you should Google "debootstrap" and "LFS"
02:13.49shay_shayFor the second question
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02:16.00shay_shayIts too vague of a question so I'm just providing keywords which are in some way related
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02:18.57abrotmanchild: in what server?
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02:22.35childabrotman anyone
02:23.03childshay_shay: let me check
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02:24.55childshay_shay: for the first its not what I want... I just want to have all packages in the package list, to have no need to use internet ...
02:24.57abrotmanchild: the mirrors already have all the packages
02:25.08abrotmanchild: then download and burn all 8 DVDs
02:25.45sydney_untanglechild: Wow.
02:25.47upsideout!dpkg apt-cacher-ng
02:25.47dpkgapt-cacher-ng is a replacement for <apt-proxy>.  Its usage is documented at http://www.unix-ag.uni-kl.de/~bloch/acng/ and alternatives comprise <apt-cacher>, <squid deb caching> and <approx>.
02:25.53sydney_untangleITs only 8 dvds.
02:25.54childand install one and give the link for other 7 on apt?
02:26.15abrotmanupsideout: no .. that won't work, he doesn't have internet
02:26.23upsideoutwhat ?
02:26.29abrotmanpay attention
02:26.54upsideoutabrotman, I was doing that for my own knowledge
02:27.06upsideoutNot sure whta you are talking about tbh
02:27.36upsideoutI am trying to set up a auto builder and stage 1 and 2 of debootsatrap takes forever
02:27.36abrotmanupsideout: /msg dpkg msgthebot
02:28.08upsideoutthanks abrotman
02:28.37upsideoutnot sure how one can DL disks if they have no net or even talk on IRC but that could just be me
02:29.22upsideoutmirror that ... on a local net or something
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02:33.34upsideoutabrotman,  you know or Anyone know of a better slash faster way to use debootstrap for foreign arch ?
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02:34.09upsideoutbesides local hosting (dont have the harddrive space) right now it runs stage one and stage two after building uboot and the kernel
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02:34.15JckfIs there a caching proxy that's more hip than Squid these days?
02:34.57upsideoutcode is located here https://github.com/JosephMillsAtWork/odroidBuilder
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02:41.45upsideoutJckf,  depends what for ?  (mailer , web , app , ect )
02:41.55JckfHTTP
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02:42.01upsideoutI like memcache
02:42.14upsideoutfor scaling and what not
02:42.54JckfRight. I didn't say anything about my scenario. Let me clarify
02:43.14JckfI want a cache for outbound HTTP requests on my local network
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02:45.46fred1807nb question:  How do I uinstall a program compiled from git?
02:46.31upsideoutuse git to DL the code and compile with the compiler that is for that
02:46.53upsideoutfred1807,  what is the git branch / code located ?
02:47.15Jckfupsideout: I think he wants to remove a program
02:47.29upsideoutouch.
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02:48.16upsideoutlook at how it was compiled and where it went remove the files then make a different branch that contians the all the debian packaging and send to mentors , past that not sure
02:48.33upsideouthopefully it went to /usr/local
02:48.47upsideoutwould need to see the code
02:49.34fred1807so... No project comes with a "unmake formulae"
02:49.36fred1807?
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02:50.24upsideoutfred1807,  sometimes if the dev is nice and covers that , But most the time I have seen that management of systems are best done with deb packaging.
02:50.38upsideoutfred1807, can you show us the git repo ?
02:51.28fred1807https://github.com/notandy/ympd
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02:52.26upsideoutwhat was the -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX:PATH=
02:53.19fred1807mm guess ~/ympd
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02:54.09upsideoutso looking at the CMAKE.list file looks like it installs man files and also things into share
02:55.28keltimJckf, squid works, but there are simpler ones out there
02:55.40upsideout"${CMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX}/share/${PROJECT_NAME}/htdocs")  << there and ${CMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX}/share/man/man1    there and also looks like there is some links Ouch.  Not sure if there is a cmake uninstall or whatever.
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02:55.47upsideoutfred1807, ^^
02:56.03fred1807thanks
02:56.07fred1807: D
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02:56.56Jckfkeltim: Tell me more. I've used Squid for years, but it's so clunky.
02:56.58keltimfred1807, something from github was compiled and defaulted to installing in /usr?
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02:57.10upsideoutnp cmake is nice I dont use ninja  is also nice , But I am a C++/Qt dude to be honest fred1807
02:57.48keltimJckf, I don't think so, but it is somewhat heavyweight for such a minor duty. But then I am used to it
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02:59.21keltimit does get clunky when you have to use an auth system with it
02:59.27fred1807keltim:  If you knew how newbie I am , I appreciate your help, but I dont know, I just followed the instructions... I wa after some "unmake" tool :D   like the apt-get remove cmd..   But thats ok, I will leave the garbage there, no problem :D
03:00.18keltimfred1807, no seriously, did you download something from github, and IIUC, it defaulted to installing in /usr? If so that is terrible
03:00.22upsideoutlook under /usr/
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03:00.46upsideoutlike /usr/share/ympd
03:00.55upsideoutand then the man pages that it installs
03:01.19upsideoutIf this is what you followed and did not set the prefix https://github.com/notandy/ympd/blob/master/README.md
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03:02.41fred1807I see no ympd on /usr or /usr/share
03:02.45upsideoutfor the file /usr/share/man/man1/ympd.1  t
03:02.58upsideoutlook under /usr/local cmake defaults to that
03:03.12upsideoutor at least it has for me in the past when using it
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03:03.49fred1807yes it is there /usr/share/man/man1/ympd.1
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03:04.00upsideoutthat is the man page
03:04.02VoyageWhat smtp servers are available for ubuntu/debian?
03:04.09upsideoutalot
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03:04.54fred1807cool
03:04.56upsideoutfred1807,  that is kinda crazy as I look at the code it should match
03:05.12upsideoutwhat is under /bin
03:05.18upsideoutis there a ympd
03:05.44upsideoutmay ${PROJECT_NAME} is not set to ympd
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03:05.53upsideoutodd to say the least
03:06.06fred1807no
03:06.19fred1807well, nevermid
03:06.30fred1807lets leave ympd there eating a little space forever
03:06.35fred1807I dont care
03:06.55Voyageupsideout,  like?
03:06.56keltimfred1807, it's pretty rude to have the instructions tell you to install into /usr
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03:07.37upsideoutthere is postfix and many many others
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03:07.54Voyageupsideout,  I have used pstfix. its good
03:07.55Voyage<PROTECTED>
03:08.34upsideoutdovecot sasl and many others.  I am not that good with mailer TBH
03:08.36fred1807keltim:  really?  so far I hope this is not a malware
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03:09.15keltimfred1807, it's just that /usr/local is the proper place for that. /usr belongs to the distro. The more you respect that, the less issues you will have.
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03:09.39upsideoutbut Voyage I have use spam assian and a coupl of other things in the past but not expert
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03:09.58upsideoutkeltim, read the read me
03:10.12Voyageupsideout,  spam assian/ or assasin?
03:10.17upsideoutif that is what he followed then he installed to usr
03:10.38keltimupsideout, yes I saw, that's why I mentioned it
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03:10.40upsideoutnope this one Voyage  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyslexia
03:10.59upsideoutas I am that
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03:12.14hhee.ощшт №зрз
03:12.16upsideoutand keltim if the man page was under /usr guess what the cmakelist.txt says that the other is also under usr https://github.com/notandy/ympd/blob/master/CMakeLists.txt#L69
03:12.19hheesorry
03:12.26LambdaComplexDoes debootstrap install GRUB by default?
03:12.33upsideoutno
03:12.43LambdaComplexThanks
03:12.51Voyageupsideout,  oh sad to hear
03:13.09Voyageupsideout,  so its spam assassin . rght?
03:13.22upsideoutwh@T d()es tat m3an :)
03:13.50upsideoutVoyage,  again I am not a mailer admin but http://spamassassin.apache.org/
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03:33.33LambdaComplexI'm trying to install the kernel through chroot but I'm getting errors about missing commands
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03:35.30LambdaComplexWait, I think I might have the problem
03:36.51LambdaComplexYep, that was it
03:36.59LambdaComplexFor some reason /bin/ wasn't in $PATH
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03:44.53Voyageupsideout,  thanks
03:45.03upsideoutNP
03:45.15upsideoutwish I knew more to hand off to you
03:45.23upsideoutI am sure that there are others
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04:06.41Voyagewhat does it takes to setup an smtp server and get your email passed through the automatic email spam filters?
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04:14.50Rusty1Voyage:  ask on #postfix , they may have suggestions
04:14.51Voyagewhat does it takes to setup an smtp server and get your email passed through the automatic email spam filters?
04:14.58VoyageRusty1,  ok
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04:34.50Foxhoundzhow do I configure my SSHD login message to show me the a count of available security updates
04:34.57FoxhoundzI know Ubuntu Server has this feature so I want to replicate it
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04:35.54keltimFoxhoundz, look at their update-motd package
04:36.16Foxhoundzis it Debian compatible?
04:36.28FoxhoundzI mean, it should be, right?
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04:43.37nkuttlerFoxhoundz: you probably want to subscribe to the security mailing list
04:43.49nkuttlerlogging in to see available upgrades seems like a poor approach
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04:46.18Foxhoundznkuttler: well this is a home headless server
04:46.33Foxhoundzsecurity shouldn't be an issue as the box is not accessible from outside IPs
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04:48.03nurupoyou also can set your system to auto update itself emailing you changelogs
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04:49.27nurupohttps://wiki.debian.org/UnattendedUpgrades
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04:52.05tsunIf I'm on wheezy, is it a good idea to add `deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian sid main` for one package or just download the package directly?
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04:56.04tsunnkuttler: I actually have `deb http://http.debian.net/debian wheezy-backports main` added in my sources but that package that I'm planning to get isn't in there, what should I do? Not download it and wait or is there another backport?
04:56.25nkuttlertsun: which package is it?
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04:57.01tsunnkuttler: a newer version of libc6 and ettercap
04:57.08nkuttleruh oh
04:57.21nkuttlerlibc6 is one of those things you really really can't upgrade
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04:57.26tsun;_;
04:57.55tsunWill it be available some time in the future though?
04:58.21nkuttlertsun: no, never for wheezy. stable only gets security upgrades
04:58.32tsunhmm
04:58.36nkuttlerthat's the whole point of running stable
04:59.03tsunWhat about ettercap? Should I just download the .deb?
04:59.12tsunBut even if I do that, it might fail with its dependancies
05:00.03nkuttler,checkbackport ettercap-text-only
05:00.04juddBackporting package ettercap-text-only in sid→wheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy-backports, wheezy.
05:00.16tsunoh?
05:00.16nkuttlertsun: looks like you can build your own backport
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05:00.27tsunI never done that, I'll look into it I guess
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05:03.49tsunnkuttler: Thanks, I'll see what I can do.
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05:11.33Guest48208sorry
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05:19.59tsunnkuttler: Thanks, I'll see what I can do. Though, I had to compile it manually for some reason.
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05:20.34tsunnkuttler: Oops, I mean it worked, but I just had to manually compile it a second time it did it.
05:20.44tsun;q
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05:43.27klys,versions xfstt
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05:43.28juddPackage: xfstt on i386 -- squeeze: 1.7-8; wheezy: 1.9-2; jessie: 1.9.1-1; sid: 1.9.1-1
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05:50.33klysare cjk/unicode fonts supposed to go through xfstt?
05:51.12klysI have crashed Xorg/wheezy twice now
05:51.26swift110-phoneOk
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05:55.27klysdid not have locales-all yet, retrying.
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06:35.55stoopkiddebian, good system for hosting a web-server?
06:36.30klysI would think so, stoopkid.
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06:37.53stoopkidklys, are there any versions of linux you would say it's better/worse than at this task?
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06:39.08klysbetter than centos, gentoo, bsd, stoopkid.  I don't mean to denigrate them, but I can think of reasons.
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06:40.34stoopkidklys, what reasons in particular?
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06:43.19klysstoopkid, rpm reliance on rpmfind.net, unconfigured packages from upstream, and the presence of the wheel group
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06:44.53stoopkidklys, what do you think about arch
06:45.25klysstoopkid, I don't like pacman, it has too little in the way of precoonfigured assets
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06:48.23klysstill trying to configure this unicode font http://i.imgur.com/Jg80e95.png
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08:01.11jasabellaif i have a drive from a different computer using a different architecture of debian, is it possible to use chroot and install packages using the host OS's apt tools?
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08:26.22shiftybest source for a netinst iso, Debian stable, with nonfree firmware (for Centrino laptops) ?
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08:29.44Roberth1990shifty: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/
08:29.49shiftyapologies, answering own question: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/
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08:30.19shiftyRoberth1990: and thank you sir!
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08:31.13Roberth1990shifty: if it is a newer laptop you should use jessie
08:31.29Roberth1990it is stable in a few days anyway
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08:33.41MY123Roberth1990, really?
08:34.35Roberth1990MY123: yes it is scheduled to be released in 4 days if I remember correctly
08:34.45swift110-phoneCool
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08:37.09dpkgDebian 8 "Jessie" will release on 2015-04-25; ask me about <wheezy->jessie>. There's plenty of bugs still to squash so ask me about <how-can-i-help>, <jessie freeze>, <jessie pool 1>. See <https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2015/03/msg00016.html>
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08:37.16Roberth19905 days
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08:40.22shiftyRoberth1990: thanks for the suggestion.  The URL is wanted for a friend - who still has to do the backup operation before the new install takes place - so chances are he'll be installing the new stable anyway.  I'm tracking testing myself, it's always interesting to watch the number of packages upgraded reduce as the cut-over to stable approaches!
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08:42.37shiftyRoberth1990: don't worry, it's a Core Duo, circa 2006?
08:43.06Roberth1990shifty: well then he should be fine
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08:47.53woshtyIs there a way to complete purge the existence of the letter papersize from my system? All locales, all anything?
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08:50.37jasabelleooohh it's dangerous :) https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/localepurge
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08:52.56woshtyI somehow always fail get stuff to just use the correct one, instead I am printing in letter format :/ papersize is set correctly.
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09:25.34julius_sudo -u commercials24 echo "body of your email" | mail -s "This is a Subject"   recipient      <- shouldnt this run as user "commercials24"?
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09:26.11colo-workjulius_, this will only cause the "echo" to run as that use.
09:26.12colo-workuser*
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09:26.16Iridosjulius_, only the "echo"
09:26.19julius_ah
09:26.34julius_how to prevent that?
09:26.52Iridoswrite a script that does it, call that script with sudo
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09:27.46Iridosecho -e '#!/bin/bash\n echo "body of your email" | mail -s "This is a Subject"   recipient' > somescript; chmod a+rx somescript; sudo ./somescript
09:28.16julius_thx
09:28.17julius_got it
09:28.35Iridosjulius_, and/or read all of http://mywiki.wooledge.org/Quotes ... it's good for you :P
09:28.49julius_i know that site
09:28.55julius_its from #bash, right?
09:29.00Iridosright
09:29.21julius_bash kinda give me health issues after ive used python/java for some time
09:29.37Iridosit's a shell, not a programming language
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09:29.45Iridosyou can program things in it, but it's still a shell
09:29.51julius_true
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09:30.40Iridosand when you want to use bash and when perl/python/tcl/whatever is a matter of complexity of the task
09:30.51julius_just found out that if i want to use yahoo.com as my smtp mail relay for locally sent mails that i have to send mail as "someuser", where someuser is my mail username@yahoo.de
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09:31.16julius_someuser@yahoo.de i mean
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09:31.49julius_isnt there a way around this so i can use sieve to filter my maisl when im logged in as "julius" and still send mail as "someuser@yahoo.de"?
09:32.48Iridosvery likely :)
09:33.10svetlanano problem, just set the from header: mail -r from@add.ress
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10:07.42julius_svetlana, my mail doenst accept -r
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10:08.24julius_i can do -aFrom:commercials24@yahoo.de        but that doenst work, gets filtered by postfix
10:08.37julius_outgoing mail is still from myuser@myhostname
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10:10.40jellyjulius_: mutt can pass the envelope-from address to /usr/sbin/sendmail when sending
10:11.28jelly(see use_envelope_from in muttrc manual)
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10:15.50julius_jelly, and this will work if it goes trhought postfix, smtp relay?
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10:16.18awkroot@prd-qualica-pdc:~# w
10:16.19awk12:08:30 up 4:41, 3 users, load average: 498,02, 497,98, 492,83
10:16.25awkahh, nice stable load
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10:18.18Phil-Workthat's normal, right? :P
10:18.35Phil-Worktechs in the DC are probably sunning themselves infront of the server as we speak
10:18.38fraffawk: wow, can you still login ?
10:18.54fraffPhil-Work: haha
10:19.00Phil-Workthat said... here's us assuming you don't have 500 cores
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10:19.16awkfraff: not via pam, lucky I had a ssh key ;)
10:19.48awkPhil-Work: lol
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10:20.32awktop - 12:15:11 up  4:48,  4 users,  load average: 4.10, 164.48, 344.92
10:20.37jellyjulius_: yes, unless you configured postfix not to accept envelope from changes with /usr/sbin/sendmail -f...
10:20.59julius_jelly, nice...let me change that
10:21.10awkthats  what  happens when NFS isn't available and you have thousands of smb connections
10:21.25jellyjulius_: oh, if you're sending via smtp then it doesn't matter.  But "mail" sends with /usr/sbin/sendmail, not smtp
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10:22.50julius_jelly, i couldnt force mail to use -aFROM or something.  postfix always changed the from to user@hostname
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10:25.06jellyjulius_: envelope from address is a different thing from the From: header
10:25.25julius_yeah, it kinda bit me
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10:26.31julius_i know this is a stupid question, but i still think that your way assumes that mutt will bypass postfix...right?
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10:28.49julius_oh shit, it does work
10:28.57julius_thx jelly
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10:30.41nextboxIs inotify configured entirely in one config file?
10:30.52nextboxaba
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10:33.12jellyjulius_: it doesn't bypass postfix.  It asks it to set a custom envelope-from (using the -f option for /usr/sbin/sendmail).  mailx or mail just don't ask for that.
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10:41.56NecrosporusIs there a way to remove outdated logs automatically?
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10:42.14NecrosporusSo they won't clutter all the space
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10:44.10NecrosporusI mean system logs like dmesg, kern.log and so on
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10:48.18anton02https://i.4cdn.org/g/1429500349175.jpg
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11:04.03suexecI have installed Qt4 from the repos, and I have manually installed Qt5 from Qts official installer. How can I set my system to use the new Qt5? At the moment, qmake and other apps are using the old qt4 ..
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11:07.37anton02suexec, i prefer qt 3.14
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11:09.31suexecanton02, that's nice :)
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11:12.09i5um41ruwhy tty[2-6] looks like this --> http://tinypic.com/r/9linti/8
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11:12.23anton02suexec, cause it's cutey pie :p
11:12.24i5um41ruwhile my tty1 ---> http://postimg.org/image/cgps1bg57/
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11:24.14SamfreenodeShould I get the DT990 and increase the bass for music, or get the DT770 and reduce the bass for CS:GO?
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11:25.15suexecanton02, badum TSH! haha.
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11:28.01bazhangSamfreenode, try a ##hardware channel
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11:28.35Samfreenodebazhang: I am banned there for confessing my love to auxy
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11:28.59bazhangSamfreenode, is that via wine
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11:30.09Samfreenodebazhang: Native
11:30.16Samfreenodebazhang: Native CS:GO on Debian
11:30.30bazhangSamfreenode, what version of debian
11:30.48Samfreenodebazhang: I know that I need more bass in music but less in CS:GO so I'm trying to decide whether to increase the bass of low-bass headphones for music, or buy low-bass headphones and increase it for CS:GO
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11:31.02Samfreenodebazhang: Testing
11:31.21bazhangSamfreenode, so dont crosspost in #ubuntu
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11:33.21Samfreenodebazhang: wtf Ubuntu and Debian are the same thing anyway
11:33.32bazhangno they are not
11:33.58Samfreenodebazhang: omg I don't care, can you just give me your opinion on EQ and headphones choice plz?
11:34.04bazhangand neither is a hardware channel Samfreenode
11:34.21Samfreenodebazhang: I told you, I am banned from ##hardware!!!!!!!!!!1
11:35.25fraffand you gonna get banned from #debian too
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12:03.07nachosHi, I want to upgrade to kernel version 3.18+ but aptitude only shows me 3.16.x .. how can I make the latest packages available?
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12:04.10colo-workthat is the latest version available for your suite.
12:04.23nachosjessie, really, 3.16? :(
12:04.25jellynachos: there are no packages for 3.18 in debian.  There's 3.19 in experimental, but is a bit dated
12:04.32nachosokay
12:04.33jelly,kernels
12:04.34juddAvailable kernel versions are: experimental: 3.19.0-trunk-686-pae (3.19.3-1~exp1); sid: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt9-2); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt9-2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt7-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.65-1+deb7u2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.65-1+deb7u2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze6)
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12:06.35tremonnachos: once jessie is released, a newer kernel will enter testing. That kernel will probably be backported to jessie as well, but it may take some time (think months)
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12:06.50nachosOkay, I'll try the experimental kernel for now.
12:06.57nachosThanks! :)
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12:17.28hashworksHi! I'm getting this error message in the sshd log on Debian Jessie: PAM unable to dlopen(pam_reauthorize.so): /lib/security/pam_reauthorize.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
12:17.53hashworksIt doesn't seem to break ssh. What does this module do, and should I disable / install it?
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12:19.33jellyhashworks: grep reauthorize /etc/pam.d/*  ?  It's not part of default config.
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12:20.45jellyjudd: file pam_reauthorize.so --arch amd64 --release jessie
12:20.50juddNo packages in jessie/amd64 were found with that file.
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12:21.02hashworks/etc/pam.d/cockpit:auth        optional      pam_reauthorize.so prepare
12:21.02hashworks/etc/pam.d/cockpit:session     optional      pam_reauthorize.so prepare
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12:21.24jellyhashworks: looks like a local customization
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12:21.50hashworksYup, seems like something cockpit did (which I already removed a few weeks ago)
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12:24.09hashworksOk, I removed /etc/pam.d/cockpit and altered /etc/pam.d/sshd, now the error is gone. Thanks jelly!
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12:29.36daniel-s_Hi. I have a TV that you can "airplay" things to. Is it possible to play media on a laptop with debian on it to the TV?
12:30.11hashworksApple AirPlay?
12:31.02pfoteis there another one? sure apple ..
12:31.14petn-randalldaniel-s_: AirPlay is proprietary. If you want to use something similar that works with many newer devices, look for DLNA.
12:31.23hashworkshttps://github.com/abrasive/shairport seems to be able to do this
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12:31.51hashworksOh no wait, I think that's an AirPlay server
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12:32.38PplaHello, what package is the 'strings' binary contained in ?
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12:33.40hashworksdaniel-s_: https://github.com/jamesdlow/open-airplay This sounds promising
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12:37.07^7heohey
12:37.13svetlanaHi.
12:37.25^7heoWhat is "a public IP addressed"?
12:37.41^7heosource: https://wiki.debian.org/Amazon/EC2/FAQ#Q:_What_is_an_Elastic_IP_Address_.28EIP.29.3F
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12:39.13jellowWhat is the easiest way to have dhcp listen on eth0, I hope to connect my NAS box to my Desktop over ethernet.
12:39.25^7heo(I suspect it's a typo, but in any case, it would be worth correcting or expliciting)
12:39.38jellowthe nasbox has a static IP configured do I even need DHCP?
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12:39.54^7heojellow: could you please end your questions with a question mark?
12:40.07^7heoit would help determining where does the question end.
12:40.41^7heoor were your two sentences just one?
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12:41.28jellow^7heo: Ye forget the first "question", Makes more sense to ask the latter first.
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12:44.17^7heojellow: okay.
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12:44.31^7heoif you have a static IP and can ping it, I don't see why you would *need* DHCP.
12:44.35^7heostrictly speaking.
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12:44.48^7heoNow you might *want* DHCP for ease of configuration (plug and play)
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12:45.23^7heo(and central IP configuration as opposed to decentralized (have to configure it on each machine) from the DHCP daemon if you assign static IPs via DHCP)
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12:47.45jellow^7heo: would I have to set my address on eth0 to what the nasbox is configured to search for (192.168.0.1) ?
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12:48.46^7heojellow: I don't really get your quesiton, but... if you want to connect to a server, you have to provide the IP of that server, yes.
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12:50.07jellow^7heo: I shall plaug it in and see what happens. Thank you for your help.
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12:55.36^7heojellow: if you have more questions regarding networking issues, please come to ##networking
12:55.39^7heo:)
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13:06.58loverdriveHi. I'm configuring an email server, and i'd like to have all email (INBOX) in /home/$user/mail, not in /var/mail. I'm using dovecot, and set the variable mail_location, but if i send an email, it goes to /var/mail/user
13:07.09loverdriveHave you any idea/advice?
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13:07.39SynrG/home/$user/mail is something else entirely. it's the mbox that mailx creates when you save mails that you've read.
13:07.53SynrGso even if you could work this out, it sounds wrong
13:08.02SynrGmbox is a fatally flawed design anyway. why not use Maildir?
13:08.19SynrG!maildir
13:08.19dpkg[maildir] a one-message-per-file mailbox format used by <qmail> and supported by <mutt>, see http://www.qmail.org/man/man5/maildir.html, or DJB's one good idea.  Supported by <postfix>, <exim>, etc., several final delivery/filtering programs (maildrop, procmail) and IMAP servers (courier-imap, dovecot, cyrus).  To convert from mbox to maildir, ask me about <mb2md>.
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13:11.00loverdriveSynrG, ok i'll try to look at Maildir
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13:11.51SynrGloverdrive: a typical implementation would put it in ~/Maildir
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13:12.37SynrGonly use mbox in a non-trivial mail deployment if you really don't care about data loss :p
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13:12.56loverdrivemy main problem was to set quotas (max size of mailbox). I see the docs on dovecot wiki, use that examples, but quota doesn't work! So i was trying to put all in /home/$user and use the system-quota per user
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13:13.21SynrGyeah. ~/Maildir and quota applied to ~ would accomplish this handily
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13:14.19SynrGloverdrive: in exim? postfix? something else?
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13:20.31loverdriveSynrG, i have postfix + dovecot
13:21.20SynrGloverdrive: ok. see: http://sys4.de/en/blog/2013/04/08/postfix-dovecot-mailbox-quota/ i.e. the frontend server should know if the quota will be exceeded in order to avoid backscatter instead of accepting the message and letting dovecot implement the quota
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13:23.11loverdriveSynrG, thank you very much. Now i try to config using Maildir.
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13:27.30SynrGloverdrive: aha. i see in debian the relevant file is /etc/dovecot/conf.d/90-quota.conf
13:27.54SynrGyou may already be there. i didn't know about this file (never implemented quotas as i have a very small user base and very large disk)
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13:29.13blackflowkeep in mind that you don't have to keep Dovecot configs in a gazillion of little files (which was a stupid decision to do anyway). You can have your own simple single config file.
13:30.00SynrGstupid? it's the only way Debian can implement a modular packaging design and remain Debian policy-compliant.
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13:30.31SynrGyou realize it is adherence to Debian policy that ensures some random package doesn't stomp your lovingly hand-crafted confs
13:30.33blackflowSynrG: actually, it came with Dovecot2 default config being in a gazillion of files.
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13:31.00blackflowa random package can stomp out your loving files regardless of whether it's one or a thousand of them
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13:31.04SynrGone and only one package may own a conffile. other packages are not allowed to modify them
13:31.15SynrGnot if policy prohibits it.
13:31.21SynrGthat would constitute an RC bug
13:31.24blackflowthat is true, but in case of dovecot, what other packages touch /etc/dovecot/conf.d/* ?
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13:31.49SynrGother components of dovecot itself (since it has been split into multiple debs) and/or any third party extensions
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13:32.12SynrGthis allows an admin to pick and choose only the bits of dovecot needed.
13:32.19SynrGfewer moving parts == greater reliability
13:32.28SynrG== lowered maintenance cost
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13:33.03SynrGanyway, you can agree or not agree. i don't care. i just took issue with "stupid"
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13:33.13SynrGit was a very well-considered choice
13:33.58blackflowit's stupid because whether it's one file or a gazillion, only the admin should decide what goes in, not a package that suddenly installs 99_breakme.conf which gets automagickally included, and if you're not automagickally including, what's the point of having many files.
13:34.33blackflowand no package should touch the main /etc/dovecot/dovecot.conf anyway.
13:34.38SynrGyou have different goals as an admin from Debian, then. Debian wants to make sure each package does only what it's suppposed to do and doesn't break unrelated packages.
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13:34.53blackflowso all the advantages you speak of are lost because eventually the admin will have to copy or otherwise enable them
13:34.58veverakhi folks, got some questions.... (backup things), first one is: how to properly setup machine to autosync data from server (rdiff-backup dir) to it's external hdd
13:35.09veverakpoint is that I want something that won't break when the external hdd us unpluged
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13:35.22blackflowSynrG: alright, I can see your point. I still think it's stupid to have a gazillion little dovecot configs :)
13:35.23veverakeither  during the transfer or not during the transfer
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13:35.53SynrGblackflow: we'll just agree to disagree then. i understand different people have different values. just try to understand people with different ideas from you aren't just being "stupid"
13:35.58blackflowSynrG: because the right way to do that is to install into, eg. /usr/share/doc/dovecot/examples/*
13:36.12SynrG"right" according to some other value system, yes :)
13:36.20blackflowthat way packages provide isolated defaults and teh admin decides what goes into main /etc/dovecot/dovecot.conf anyway.
13:36.48SynrGanyway, we're distracting from handling actual support questions now.
13:36.54blackflowalright. :)
13:37.11veverakyeah, anybody any tips for the backup thing? :D
13:37.16blackflowbut my remark stands, the user is not bound to keep the gazillion files in /etc/dovecot/conf.d/*
13:37.23SynrGblackflow: true.
13:37.47blackflowSynrG: or actually, keep conf.d as default as is (Because packages) but don't include anything from the main dovecot.conf, copy instead.
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13:49.39parabooli am running jessie 64-bit. i have just installed steam, following the info on the debian website: adding 32-bit arch, installing steam, updating libraries, installing new Nvidia drivers. I had to reboot for the driver to take effect. I can't reboot now. "problem has occured and the system cannot recover" I think i read *something* during installation about manually configuring Xorg server, I'm not sure. i'm
13:49.41paraboolusing tty now, so I guess this is Nvidia related error. anyone able to help me, I find it extremely hard to research using lynx... thank you
13:49.51karlpincveverak: Big backup tip-o-the-day: Test it well.  :-)
13:50.02veverak:D
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13:53.07babilenparabool: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#configure you surely already followed the rest of that tutorial to install the driver
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13:53.13dselectOkay, I'm here. (courtesy of themill)
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13:54.54yossarianukhi - If I download jessie from https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/
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13:55.11yossarianukwhen it is stable do I manually have to change the sources.list
13:55.35yossarianukto keep running jessie/stable)
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13:56.18SynrGyossarianuk: no
13:56.35SynrGyossarianuk: just confirm /etc/apt/sources.list has 'jessie', not 'testing'. pretty sure jessie is the default
13:56.48yossarianukSynrG: thank
13:56.52yossarianuk*thanks*
13:57.00SynrG!install release candidate
13:57.00dpkgSo you want to test a Debian installer release candidate? 1. Get it: http://deb.li/Fqhg 2. Read the release notes: http://deb.li/3d6yl and errata: http://deb.li/uacx 3. Install it: http://deb.li/Wavn 4. Don't forget to file an installation report, even if the install was successful: http://deb.li/i4j4E Also ask me about <testing>, <install testing>.
13:57.13SynrGyossarianuk: ^^ have a look at that.
13:57.43yossarianukok
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14:01.26MiescoWould it be a bad I did to do this?: pip install gcalcli
14:01.32yossarianukif libdvdcss is included in debian will that be included in Jessie or just new versions ?
14:01.36yossarianuki.e - http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20150420#news
14:01.47MiescoWait scratch that, im gunnna try that again
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14:02.14MiescoWould it be a bad if I were to do this?: pip install gcalcli
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14:03.18themillyossarianuk: it would likely end up in jessie-backports -- it certainly won't be in jessie
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14:07.38julius_jelly, thx
14:07.48MiescoAre you supposed to make everything you install as a debian package?
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14:08.50healerhad a scipt that runs fine on the command-line but errors out in script mode
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14:09.16healerapparently caused by bash not being default shell in debian
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14:09.56Miescohealer: Was it a sh script?
14:09.59themillIf your script uses bash features, you should run it with bash. If it is written in python, you should run it with python.
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14:11.10Miescothemill: Would it be morally wrong to install software globally with 'pip'?
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14:11.35themillMiesco: I'd recommend against it. It's going to cause problems later.
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14:11.52Miescothemill: What is the right thing to do to get the software?
14:12.12themillYou can install it as an individual user or in a virtualenv
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14:13.38Miescothemill: Is /usr/local considered a virtualenv?
14:13.56themillumm no.
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14:14.24loverdriveSynrG, i have a problem to switch to maildir (it is my first experience with a server mail). Do you know some howto/blog post how to configure dovecot with maildir?
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14:14.38loverdrivea "first config" guide :)
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14:37.41bourneanybody can help me maybe?
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14:38.13mtn!ask
14:38.14dpkgIf you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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14:47.05veverakI finally wrapped my head around backuping my rdiff-backups
14:47.10veverak(= reading rsync manual)
14:47.12veverakhttps://wiki.veverak.org/backup
14:47.14veverakanybody any tips?
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14:47.44bourneanybody have experience with ispconfig3?
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14:48.41veverakehm, self-signed certificate on that wiki
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14:50.57mtnbourne: please just ask your question, not if anyone knows the answer before you ask it ;)
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14:53.54RaazeerI've got trouble with sound, apt always shoves it's pulseaudio up my nose which I can't get to work. is there a good tutorial somewhere on getting pulse to work?
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14:54.23mtnRaazeer: the arch linux wiki has a great section on pulseaudio
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14:55.39Raazeermtn, I think i'm going to uninstall all the sound stuff and reinstall alsa.
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15:02.49SynrGloverdrive: i didn't find it difficult to find in the dovecot documentation ...
15:03.05SynrGloverdrive: but that was many years ago, so no, i don't have something at my fingertips
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15:03.32loverdriveSynrG, the problem was to config postfix for maildir. Now i found documentation and seems i solved :)
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15:04.22enochhi all
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15:16.13fraffenoch: I don't see anything that could goes wrong, don't forget to use -c X and -w /path/to/file
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15:21.28spelI'm getting spam in my tty from the wlan manager - can't find anything on google - any way to suppress it? keeps reporting bandwidth changes
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15:22.29fraffspel: have you started your vlan manager from that tty ? or is it coming from syslog ?
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15:23.46spelI have it set in /etc/network/interfaces to setup on boot
15:23.59spelSo... Not sure. It spams all ttys
15:24.16fraffspel: ok, it's syslog, read /etc/*syslog*conf and try to find "emerg"
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15:25.17spelAh yeah. "sent to everybody logged in"
15:25.43fraffspel: yes, but I think it's better to tell your wlan manager not to use CRIT priority
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15:26.48spelwould that be iwconfig or wpa_supplicant?
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15:32.18m0rd3cai_So im having alot of trouble diabling suspend on lid close. any ideas in deb 8 how to change?
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15:37.26jellym0r... eh
15:37.32Pnoexzhey, I'm installing 7.8 on a machine and I'm having some problems with the network. If I ping 8.8.8.8 I get the expected results, but pinging google.com returns "unknown host google.com" after a few seconds.
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15:38.11nkuttlerPnoexz: any nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf ?
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15:39.07Pnoexznkuttler: nameserver 192.168.2.1 is all it says, should I change that for 8.8.8.8?
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15:39.27shay_shayIs your router 192.168.2.1?
15:39.35Pnoexzshay_shay: it is
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15:39.49shay_shayIf your router has dnsmasq then add 8.8.8.8 to its DNS servers
15:40.16spelSeems like setting the -q flag on wpa_supplicant reduces it's log level to warnings - which should stop it spamming my ttys
15:40.18shay_shayThen it will act as a DNS cache and also resolve names of other PC in your LAN
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15:41.07Pnoexzshay_shay: the issue is that this won't be on my own network, and I kind of need it to work "out of the box" when it's installed. The router is the same, luckily, but I can't change its config.
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15:41.49shay_shayOh its a laptop? Then add a second DNS line under the first one for 8.8.8.8 in /etc/resolved.conf
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15:42.02shay_shayThat way if the first is unavailable it will go directly
15:42.14blackflowdhcp will overwrite that
15:42.25socommshay_shay: are you a g-g-girl?
15:42.29shay_shayNo
15:42.38abrotmansocomm: Do you need help with Debian?
15:43.08socommblackflow: The work around for me is I use ethernet NIC for home, and wi-fi for roaming.
15:43.17Pnoexzshay_shay: it's a machine that's going to work as a server to host an application I wrote in a doctors' office. This is my /etc/network/interfaces http://pastebin.com/s486YSDz
15:43.38socommblackflow: The ethernet NIC is staticly configured, and the Wi-Fi is configured via DHCP.
15:43.42socommabrotman: Pardon?
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15:44.08blackflowPnoexz: the best bet is to set it up for dhcp and have the doctor's office router provide dhcp
15:44.16Pnoexzshay_shay: I don't have a /etc/resolved.conf, should I touch it or did you mean resolv.conf?
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15:44.37Pnoexzblackflow: I need it to run on a static internal IP
15:44.42shay_shayPnoexz: then you can put your name servers in /etc/network/interfaces ... Yes resolv.conf sorry it's my autocorrect
15:45.53blackflowPnoexz: then you need to provide the full static setup, dns servers included. just add them to resolv.conf and that's it (if it really must be google :) )
15:45.53socommPnoexz: https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration
15:46.22socommPnoexz: Look at the "Defining the (DNS) nameservers" section.
15:46.24petn-randallshay_shay: It's /etc/resolv.conf
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15:46.35petn-randallOh, nvm.
15:47.16socommPnoexz: What are you trying accomplish, I only caught the tail-end of the conversation.
15:47.30shay_shayThere's many ways to do this as blackflow is pointing out but with how you are setup now you can put the name servers in /etc/network/interfaces https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Defining_the_.28DNS.29_Nameservers
15:48.17socommshay_shay: I don't think you can define the DNS in the interfaces file.
15:48.22shay_shaydns-nameservers 192.168.2.1 8.8.8.8 8.8.4.4
15:48.29shay_shayYes you can, like that^
15:48.37socommshay_shay: Ah, nice.
15:49.27blackflowbut you need resolvconf for that
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15:49.36blackflow(package/program resolvconf)
15:49.41shay_shayYes
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15:50.50Pnoexzyay, got it to work by editing the /etc/resolv.conf, thanks shay_shay, nkuttler, blackflow and socomm
15:50.52socommIts only 8 in the morning and already I learned something new.
15:51.11socommPnoexz: That might not be the best solution, btw.
15:51.41Pnoexzsocomm: why's that?
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15:52.02shay_shayAs long as he doesn't have anything installed which will overwrite the resolv.conf
15:52.20socommPnoexz: That file can be overwritten by DHCP.
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15:52.35socommYou can always make it imutably read-only, but ...
15:52.39Pnoexzshay_shay: this is going to have only apache, mysql and php installed
15:52.51Pnoexzsocomm: I'm not using dhcp
15:53.21socommPnoexz: Then you should be ok.
15:53.37shay_shayThen its fine
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15:54.15shay_shaycould be lagging
15:54.18Pnoexzawesome, thanks a lot
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16:10.53enochis it wrong?
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16:15.18LitterallyLitterIs there a "fat free" debian?
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16:16.18srgLitterallyLitter: What does that mean?
16:16.25mtnI think there is a low calorie version
16:16.33LitterallyLitterSomething stripped down like Arch Linux
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16:16.35LitterallyLitterbut debian.
16:16.37srgthe netinstaller..?
16:16.42srgJust do it yourself....
16:16.46srgI always use minimal installs.
16:16.51srgand set up exactly what I need and nothing else.
16:17.09tremonLitterallyLitter: if you want something "like Arch" then use arch
16:17.10shay_shayLitterallyLitter: debootstrap and configure apt with noinstallrecommends  (Google it)
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16:17.49shay_shayDebootstrap let's you install debian to a directory like arch or gentoo
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16:18.19shay_shayNoinstallrecommends makes apt-get or aptitude behave similar to pacman
16:18.36SynrGdebootstrap with flavour minbase if you want to get absolutely bare bones. but don't blame me if it sets fire to the dog
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16:19.09tremononly sid does that, right?
16:19.21shay_shayNo you can pick any release by name
16:19.26SynrGLitterallyLitter: there are numerous ways to produce a "minimal" system, but unless you have extreme constraints (like an embedded system) most of them aren't worth the handle.
16:19.35SynrGhassle*
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16:19.54SynrGa good compromise is to use netinst and only install 'standard'
16:19.55shay_shaytremon: oh you mean set fire part lol
16:19.58shay_shaySorry
16:19.59SynrGthat's minimal enough for most people
16:20.00srgLitterallyLitter: I just install using the net installer, I don't select to install anything extra...then I go through aptitude and remove some "junk" (thre isn't much with a netinst)
16:20.22SynrGtremon: i think a jessie debootstrap -f minbase might set fire to the dog too ;)
16:21.01SynrGoops, i meant --variant=minbase
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16:25.11shay_shayI had to install like that on my NAS because D-I can't install to raid 10
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16:26.20shay_shayUsed --variant=buildd tho
16:26.23jellypeople in #linux-raid seem to suggest doing striping over multiple raid1 arrays because raid10 md kernel code is less exercised
16:26.41shay_shayOh I am using btrfs
16:26.52shay_shayLiving dangerously >:)
16:27.06jellythen you're already neck deep in experimental tech
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16:27.52bournehi
16:28.15bourneanybodyu have experience with ispconfig?
16:28.21NoImNotNineVolt3.
16:28.31bourneyes
16:28.49bournei mean 3 version
16:30.01santakissq
16:30.08bournethen anybody here with some experience ispconfig3?
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16:33.35tremon!ask
16:33.35dpkgIf you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
16:33.44enochhow to cc from #mail?
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16:35.40bourneI have problem with dns in debian panel administrative ispconfig3 I don't know hot to exactly do that
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16:40.03tremonbourne: are you trying to configure a dns server or client?
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16:40.58jelly!ispconfig
16:40.58dpkgISPConfig is a web hosting control panel available under the BSD license.  http://www.ispconfig.org/
16:41.10jellyhm, no links for support venues
16:41.46tremongiven that the manual costs €5, I wouldn't expect support to be readily available :)
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16:44.54Iridoshooray for commercial support
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16:50.09anyonebutmeI'm dealing with a really annoying problem. I can't open libreoffice documents from nautilus over NFS. the proposed work around that seems to work for EVERYONE else doesn't for me (removing X-GIO-NoFuse from the .Desktop files of libreoffice). Also editing the libreoffice executable and commenting out the file lock stuff did nothing. i can open stuff from shell, and i can open stuff with nautilus, just not libreoffi
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16:51.21anyonebutmeAny ideas?
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16:51.56anyonebutmeI'm running Libreoffice 4.3.3.2
16:52.00srgNo packages are being moved from sid->jessie right now, correct? (Except for security updates/bug fixes)?
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16:53.00anyonebutmeAnd i can open files on the NFS partition from within libreoffice-writer
16:53.14SynrGsrg: more precisely, no packages are being migrated except as manually approved by the release team
16:53.47SynrGsrg: aiui, the RT could accept any package for any reason, right up until the release.
16:53.53srgSynrG: And that will be the ase until the release is made?
16:53.56srgthanks!
16:53.58SynrGyes
16:54.08SynrGbut their *policy* says you're probably too late
16:54.18tremonsrg: it won't change after the release either
16:54.18srgThere's some versions in sid that i'm waiting for...I'll have to wait for the release then
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16:54.53SynrGsrg: after the release, the sid versions become candidates for testing. after that, they become candidates for backports.
16:55.27SynrGsrg: but if you need it now, why not just install it now?
16:55.34SynrGsrg: assuming you're on jessie
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16:55.55srgyeah, i'm on jessie. I don't *need* it, I just want it. the new version of weechat.
16:55.59SynrGnothing changes between now and then except for the ftpmaintainer's blessing
16:56.21bierdiebive got an usb stick, which refuses to be writeable as iam logged in as user. its usb0 mounted in /media. how to make it writeable as not su?
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16:56.45shay_shay!tell srg about ssb
16:56.51valdynbierdieb: mount -o umask=000
16:57.14SynrGshay_shay: srg probably doesn't need a backport since testing and unstable are so close.
16:57.14bierdiebthx valdyn
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16:58.08shay_shaySynrG: ah yes, I skimmed and assumed wheezy since this is wheezy support.
16:58.09srgshay_shay: your nick reminds me of "tay tay"...my secret love affair with infosec taylor swift.
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16:59.30shay_shaysrg: also weechat has a Debian control file in their git repo, so you can compile from git and it will make you a .deb file
16:59.45shay_shayAlternatively use their 3rd party repo
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17:00.38SynrGshay_shay: increasingly this is not wheezy support, since a great number of users who would ordinarily use stable are accepting the small risk and now installing jessie before the release.
17:00.53SynrGso adjust your assumptions accordingly :)
17:00.57SynrGhappens every release cycle
17:00.57shay_shaySynrG: true :)
17:00.58srgshay_shay: Ah, I didn't know that about weechat.
17:01.08srgWhat's the debian testing channel? I didn't know there was a different one.
17:01.21SynrGsrg: #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net as per channel topic
17:01.30srgshould've read
17:01.31srgTHanks
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17:02.43ZzeissOkay, stumper here.   If you SSH into a machine with -Y or -X, you enable X forwarding.   So if you then run an X-aware application, like OpenSCAD or Icedove, it runs on the host that you SSHed to.
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17:03.34ZzeissI am going w. t. f.   how can that be?   Anybody have a clue to share?
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17:05.06anyonebutmeOK, even gnome-commander works, so it must be a nautilus issue right?
17:05.31valdynZzeiss: right, unless you go --no-remote
17:06.04ZzeissSo firefox is dissecting the X forwarding and figuring out that I'm not where it's running?
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17:06.12tremonZzeiss: the iceweasel binary checks for running X windows named iceweasel, and sends a commend to the running window
17:06.18tremon*command
17:06.21jellyZzeiss: remote firefox process starts.  Sees a firefox window already open on your X server.  Passes arguments to running window.
17:06.49tremonZzeiss: try it again with no local firefox/iceweasel running, it should start the remote version then
17:07.40jellyZzeiss: it needs not be aware of X11 being forwarded (and maybe it's not aware at all)
17:07.58ZzeissAhhhh... so less sinister than I thought.   Trying --no-remote now...
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17:08.28tremonyes. use --no-remote to actually start a remote session. \o/
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17:08.47jellyZzeiss: any process with access to your X session can have intimate knowledge of any other X app running
17:08.56jellyand tell it to do things
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17:09.34valdyn...and common programs *rely* on that security misfeature
17:09.41stoopkidanybody have any opinions in gentoo vs. arch vs. debian in running a web-server?
17:09.45ZzeissAhhh... that did it.   Thanks!
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17:11.16Zzeiss(it's slow as heck, but it seems to be working correctly)
17:11.27valdynstoopkid: no one serious would run *a* webserver on something like gentoo
17:11.27SynrGstoopkid: sure. debian, we support. naturally, run debian.
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17:11.48SynrGstoopkid: for differing opinions, ask someone who cares about the other two
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17:12.33jellythis channel is SO debian-biased!
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17:12.34C-Ottogreetings
17:12.52SynrGstoopkid: hint. maybe asking a distro's support channel for opinions on running a competitor's distro to do something won't yield unbiased answers ... ;)
17:13.03C-Ottooh, did I miss something fun? :)
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17:13.17jellythere was cake.
17:13.18valdynthis isnt even competition, if had asked centos or debian, then someone could be biased
17:13.23C-Ottojelly: a lie.
17:13.30jellywhistles
17:13.53jellyC-Otto: it was delicious and moist
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17:13.57stoopkidSynrG, well, not necessarily looking for unbiased answers, a debian person might know specific qualities of debian over gentoo and arch, a gentoo person might know specific qualities of gentoo over debian and arch, etc. etc.
17:14.03C-Ottook, I'm off to #debian-next :)
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17:14.21SynrGstoopkid: so by averaging out all of the biased answers you'll get a whole picture? something like that?
17:14.22stoopkidSynrG, i'm really more just looking for objective criteria on which to base a decision, and i can piece that together from many biased answers
17:14.28stoopkidSynrG, yea sorta
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17:14.33SynrGit won't work :p
17:14.34valdynstoopkid: unless you maintain a cluster of many boxes, then theres no debate really, no one would rely on a self-compile distro
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17:15.13SynrGstoopkid: you can't do bad science and just average the results ...
17:15.21SynrGall such metastudies are doomed
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17:17.05stoopkidSynrG, well, ultimately i'm probably going to end up taking the "try them all and compare" approach
17:17.40stoopkidSynrG, so far the viewpoints biased towards debian are winning in my internal debate though
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17:18.31anyonebutmeOh, it might be an SMB issue too...
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17:19.30stoopkidalso, about the problem of unbiased opinions, somebody in #gentoo just recommended debian lol
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17:19.41SynrG;)
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17:33.24anyonebutmeAlso, another (unrelated) problem. CUPS seems to restore the printer driver to defaults every so often (as opposed to the hpjijs drivers which actually work on a network printer. as a resault i have to come to the office twice a week to reconfigure this and hope nothing changes unexpectadly.
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17:50.58ifzeijHello I cut and past datas from an unncrypted hard diskto my debian encrypted when sudentely all the personnal datas have been lost except the original main softwares. Why ? It is due to tehencryption ?
17:51.19ifzeijOr maybee the type is uncompatible.
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18:00.17cybrNauthow do I search for a sid backport?  i only find wheezy and squeeze here => http://backports.debian.org/Packages/
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18:03.06tremoncybrNaut: that's because normal backports are built from the sid sources
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18:03.19somiajcybrNaut: backports are newer packages (from testing usually but sometimes sid) compiled against older release (stable)
18:03.49somiajsid doens't have backports. If software is not in sid you can try experimental (this is usually not suggested but right now lots of pacakges are pooling there waiting for the release) or compile the upstream source and make a local install
18:04.41cybrNautjelly told me that there is a bitcoin package as a sid backport, but it's not showing up.  I find only a package called "electrum"
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18:05.00somiajcybrNaut: what was the name of the package? bitcoin?
18:05.11cybrNauti think so
18:05.17somiaj,v bitcoin
18:05.18juddNo package named 'bitcoin' was found in i386.
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18:05.58cybrNautcertainly bitcoin is the name of the package on ubuntu.  It's the real deal.. includes a daemon called 'bitcoind'
18:05.59somiajcybrNaut: there is no package called bitcoin, and you are looking for a backport for wheezy?
18:06.09cybrNautsomiaj: yes
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18:06.15somiajwell doesn't seem debian has any package by that name.
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18:06.31cybrNauti started with this guide http://wp.geeklab.com.ar/gl/en/2013/03/11/how-to-install-bitcoin-0-8-0-on-debian-wheezy-amd64/
18:06.42somiaj,v bitcoind
18:06.43juddPackage: bitcoind on i386 -- sid: 0.10.0-1
18:07.02somiajcybrNaut: there is a version in sid, you can make your own backport if you want (this is porbably what jelly suggested)
18:07.08somiaj,check-backport bitcoind
18:07.09juddBackporting package bitcoind in sid→wheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy.
18:07.23somiajcybrNaut: so he didn't say there was a sid backport, he said you can make your own backport from sid.
18:07.29somiaj!tell cybrNaut about ssb
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18:07.46cybrNautssb is what jelly told the bot to tell me about
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18:08.11cybrNautit says "First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>"
18:08.23cybrNautso that's where I'm at
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18:09.22somiajthere is no backport
18:09.31somiajyou will have to make your own, and you ahve been told this
18:09.46cybrNautwhat's the non-irc way to check?  is there a way to make aptitude give me the answer to ",check-backport bitcoind"?
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18:10.23cybrNautsomiaj: i'm just on the first step of this bot reply
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18:11.24cybrNautwould suck to install sid just to be able to query for things to build backports from
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18:11.42somiajcybrNaut: no where did anyone say you had to install sid. I think you aren't understanding what you are being told.
18:12.02somiajcybrNaut: you make a backport from the package in sid (which only requires adding a deb-src line then running the command to download the source and compile the package)
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18:12.41cybrNautsomiaj: right, but you're getting ahead of me.  i'm trying to understand how to do the first step
18:13.57cybrNautthe <dpkg> canned advice says "First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>", but it does not say how to do that
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18:14.56somiajcybrNaut: I have told you the answer to this multiple times, and also asked judd to do this too. There is no backport. move on
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18:15.09somiajcybrNaut: you do this by looking in wheezy-backports for said package.
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18:15.22fred1807How do I totally reinstall Nginx, including new .conf files from sctach?
18:16.09somiajfred1807: two ways, one is to --purge all the old packages (this removes config files) and then install them again
18:16.28somiajfred1807: if you deleted a config file this may not bring them back, in this case you need to mess with the confmiss option
18:16.34somiaj!tell fred1807 about confmiss
18:17.08somiajfred1807: if you look though the other conffoo options, youc an actually do a --reinstall on a package and force all the configs to be generated back to default
18:17.14somiajconfmiss is only for config files you deleted
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18:18.08cybrNaut!ask about deb-src-sid
18:18.27cybrNaut!tell cybrNaut about deb-src-sid
18:19.22fred1807so..... aptitude -o dpkg::Options::='--force-confmiss           is all I need?
18:19.25mtncybrNaut: to talk to the bot, do: /msg dpkg topicname
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18:19.39fred1807aptitude -o dpkg::Options::='--force-confmiss
18:20.08fred1807aptitude -o nginx --force-confmiss
18:20.18Mouseyapt-get purge nginx
18:20.21Mousey?
18:20.33fred1807Mousey:  I did that
18:20.40fred1807and then, autoremove
18:20.45Mouseyis late to the party
18:20.46fred1807but the confs files wont come back
18:20.48somiajfred1807: only if the config files are missing, read the mange page for other --conf options
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18:21.04somiajyes if the config files were deleted and not comming back you need --confmiss as said by the factiod
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18:21.40cybrNautthe bot said "ask me about deb-src-sid, but when I did it replied with: dpkg> i dunno what is 'deb-src-sid'
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18:21.55cybrNautif it didn't know what it is, why did it ask me to ask it?
18:22.18Tripouthi, does anybody have an understandable actual manual to configure the openbox menu? i wish to have some auto updated categories in the main menu like office, system etc, but i don't know how to do this.
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18:23.21cybrNautah, my bad.  only one hyphen
18:24.23somiajTripout: I would find an openbox channel for more details. Rough idea. In debian menus can be created by the old menu system (see the package menu) which can be configure to generate output for different wms and syntaxes but needs to be programed. Or use the info from .desktop files using xdg-desktop-menu to generate menus
18:25.06carphi. i installed debian yesterday (with much help from you guys). Today Ive been trying to get 2 things to work. The wireless internet, and my headphones. Ive been unsuccessful overall ha. May I get some help please. With the wireless i am using a card in the motherboard. I ran "lspci -nn" and identified it to be Marvell Libertas 88W8335 chipset [11ab:1faa] ...
18:25.10somiajTripout: using either method (Choose one, and the modern approach is the xdg and .desktop files) then use the tools to output the info correctly into syntax for an openbox menu. Again an openbox channel will have people who may know more about this.
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18:25.26somiaj,pciid 11ab:1faa
18:25.27judd[11ab:1faa] is '88w8335 [Libertas] 802.11b/g Wireless' from 'Marvell Technology Group Ltd.' with no known kernel module in wheezy or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=11ab:1faa
18:25.47somiajcarp: do a 'demsg | grep firmware' do you see an error about unable to load firmware for your wireless card
18:26.09somiajcarp: most likely you just need to add non-free sources then install the non-free firmware and it will work.
18:26.18awalTripout: 'obmenu' can do the job for you. you can use that gui for create your menu easly.
18:26.36carpAccording to this page, it is not compatible: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi     without a ndiswrapper. Following this guide (wheezy) https://wiki.debian.org/NdisWrapper I ran this command "aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') ndiswrapper-utils-1.9 wireless-tools"
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18:27.10somiajcarp: as for the headset. Most liklely you are using snd_hda_intel which has lots of variations (called models). Look up 'snd_hda_intel alsa models' on how to find and set the correct model for your laptop/system
18:27.33somiajcarp: oh you have a rare card that still needs ndiswrapper to work, this will require more work, I was hoping it was just missing firmware.
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18:28.25cavassani<PROTECTED>
18:28.52cavassanioh, sorry.
18:29.11carpit installed properly, the next step in the guide is to "echo ndiswrapper >> /etc/modules" but nothing happened, it just gave me a newline. after this i look for the driver. i am on 32 bit machine, and the official site didnt seem to have the xp driver. but i found this site. seems dodgy but perhaps i should use it. http://www.driverguide.com/driver/detail.php?driverid=522863
18:29.29carpsomiaj: hi
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18:31.19cavassaniso, i can paste a link to help Tripout with openbox issue?
18:31.19carpthats pretty much where i am. bear in mind i am a real novice, i am still quite scared of doing stuff!
18:31.29rainfyrescared?
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18:32.12rainfyredon't be scared of debian :)
18:32.42Mouseydebian is more afraid of you
18:33.23carprainfyre: yeah i feel really uncomfortable, i have been on xp for the last 10 years and i am not tech savvy ha
18:33.34cybrNautnow I'm stuck on step 2.  it says "2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>)".  Then bdo says to read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/, which then says to add "deb http://http.debian.net/debian wheezy-backports main"
18:33.39cybrNautthat doesn't seem right
18:33.49rainfyreheheh
18:34.04cybrNauti used to do that when I was installing existing backports
18:34.21rainfyrecarp: good time to get away from xp
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18:35.24somiajcarp: usually 'no output' is good
18:35.26cybrNauthow do I "enable debian-backports"?
18:35.34somiajcarp: that just means that module will be loaded at boot
18:35.44somiajcybrNaut: you do not need to enable debian-backports
18:35.54carprainfyre: yeah, was about time. oh i think my graphics card is not got drivers working yet either. havent looked into that yet, will save that for another day :)
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18:36.22veverakhttp://pastebin.com/zm7XtwMV any ideas what can cause this? http://pastebin.com/zm7XtwMV
18:36.44carpbecause i cant move tabs around in ice weasel, and when i first turned on gnome it said 'gnome failed to initialise' and 'fallback mode'
18:37.00veverakowner of that target folder is the one that runs the rsync
18:37.18carpsomiaj: ah ok great, no output is ok.
18:38.23carpsomiaj: i tried running your suggestion "demsg | grep firmware" but it says demsg command not found. i predict its because i have to install demsg. about to check this
18:38.39somiajcarp: typo, dmesg | grep firmware
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18:38.49somiajcarp: but if you ahve to use ndiswrapper, my suggestion won't produce anything useful
18:38.49rainfyrecarp: not demsg
18:39.13somiajtypo could have been on my end, I sometimes type to fast, and this keyboard is very finiky, sometimes keys don't regiester, sometimes they get stuck
18:39.27rainfyresomiaj: lol np we'll get it!
18:39.33cavassanicybrNaut:http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/
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18:40.34carpsomiaj: ok. i check anyway and dmesg doesnt return anything either, just a newline
18:40.46somiajcavassani: what he needs to do is two things 1) add a deb-src line for sid, 2) download/compile the package he wants. He is getting stuck on the factoid (check to see if someone else has done this for you step)
18:40.59somiajcarp: dmesg returns a lot, but not a single line has the word firmware in it
18:41.13somiajcarp: type 'dmesg' if you want to see what I mean, but I was looking for very paticular info
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18:41.47carpsomiaj: ah yep i get it now.
18:41.58Tripoutcavassani, sry, i were busy.
18:42.10somiajcarp: dmesg | grep firmware (that this does is take the output of dmesg, it 'pipes' (|) it to the command grep, then grep searchs though the output and only returns lines that have the string 'firwmare' in it
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18:42.35carpsomiaj: gotcha
18:42.36SKlogoAnyone here use apparmor
18:43.17somiajcarp: what the command 'echo ndiswrapper' does is prints the word ndiswrapper, then what 'echo ndiswrapper >> /etc/modules' does is take the output (the printed word) and copies it to the last line of the file /etc/modules
18:43.52cybrNautthe deb-src is in sources.list, and i ran aptitude update.  But when I run "aptitude search bitcoind" nothing is found.  does sources need a different kind of search?
18:44.08somiajcybrNaut: because you are not searching for source packages
18:44.32somiajcybrNaut: that is a good thing, there is no binary package called bitciond, but you now have access to the source package.
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18:44.51somiajcybrNaut: unsure how to search for packages by source name, let me look that up
18:45.07cybrNauti seem to recall an apt-sources package
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18:46.00cybrNautmaybe i'm hallucinating.. aptitude search apt-sources comes up empty
18:46.20rainfyreanyone google search source packages in debian?
18:46.21carpsomiaj: ok, i have to admit i find it very exciting to think what i could learn by using debian from here on!
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18:46.41somiajcybrNaut: just run 'apt-get source bitcoind' it will download the source into your current directory.
18:47.04kalei'm setting up lightdm for automatic login, with timer=5 secs. that works. however when i log out of X lightdm autoligins me again. is there a way to only autologin when lightdm first starts?
18:47.28somiajcarp: think of the shell (bash in this instance) as a way to not only run commands, but to link them together to make more complicated commands
18:47.52somiajcarp: those special characters |, >, >>, are linking things together. This is powerful because then you don't need a tool for everything. You have a tool for the pieces and the link the pieces together.
18:47.59cybrNautsomiaj: i figured that, but the next time i'm in this situation I would like to have all the steps.  without this channel, I would not know that there is a "bitcoind" package out there
18:48.04carpsomiaj: i have done a bit of haskell and python and it reminds me of haskell at the moment
18:48.35anddamhow's this network manager I see in lxde called? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4576782/Selection_004.jpg
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18:48.52DaggerDebian package search is here btw: https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=bitcoin&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all , if you want to know what packages are available over the different suites
18:49.13anddamDagger: is that possibly for me?
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18:49.50anddamanyway that network manager says "device not managed" for Ethernet, is that specifically for wifi or can I manage eth as well?
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18:50.08Daggeranddam: really for anybody who wants to know what packages are available, although the link I gave is specifically for packages containing "bitcoin" in the name
18:50.24anddamoh didn't read the URL
18:50.44cybrNautin fact it would be nice to be able to query sid sources before editing sources.list (i would like to know if a package exists before taking steps to grab it)
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18:51.18mtncybrNaut: see what Dagger just posted. it is easy to search the database
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18:51.37cybrNautah, thanks
18:51.38rainfyrecybrNaut: you can search for packages online to see if they're in the repos before you try  to grab them
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18:52.03rainfyreanddam: looks like gnome network manager, but I don't use it and I'm not sure
18:52.06cybrNauti prefer the commandline.. but anyway, at least there's a way
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18:52.29rainfyrecybrNaut: then search it with elinks
18:52.36cybrNautha
18:52.41rainfyreheh
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18:53.01rainfyrehappy jessie release everyone
18:53.29rainfyrewhen jessie's stable i'll finally be able to ask questions in this channel again ..
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18:54.14jhutchins_wkrainfyre: You can ask them here if you want, it's just that #debian-next has a higher concentration of people who've used jessie than this channel.
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18:54.58rainfyrelol jhutchins_wk I know, I don't want to clutter up this channel with testing questions. is there's #debian-next on freenode or just on oftc?
18:55.47cybrNauti can just come in here and type ,check-backport bitcoind
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18:58.04DammitJimwhat should I read to be able to give different privileges for different users on different folders/files
18:58.38kaleDammitJim: read on users and groups
18:58.39DammitJimthis is the one thing that I haven't learned about linux whereas in Windows, one right clicks the folder and then sets the permissions by adding a group or a user and giving it specific read, write, etc
18:59.22DammitJimthe part where I am stuck is with just user:group:other
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18:59.41DammitJimhow do I add another user to have read access to the folder
19:00.06kaleDammitJim: run "ls -l" you will see the user and group that owns that file
19:00.09somiajanddam: it is either network-manager or wicd (I think wicd gets used by lxde but not positive)
19:00.31carpoh there is also something else that is worrying me. ctrl alt f7 takes me to a black screen saying "INIT:version 2.88 reloading" and gnome desktop has moved to f8 instead. i cant work it out so far.
19:00.32somiaj!tell cybrNaut about search
19:00.39DammitJimkale, like I said... it's more complicated than that... what if I want to have 1 user be able to read, another to read and write, another to read and execute, etc
19:00.43somiajcybrNaut: there are ways to search, which is actually what we did in the case we didn't know.
19:00.56crazywindowshi, I've just installed some backport packages and my top panel went crazy, when I'm opening new window everything moves to the left, and when I'm closing it, all icons goes to the right
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19:01.14DammitJimsome kind of ACL would be needed, but I don't know what one calls that in Linux
19:01.19DammitJimor how one works it
19:01.23somiajcarp: did you do anything like stop running gnome, or use gnome to 'switch users'
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19:01.34kaleDammitJim: make a group that may read only put first user in that, make a user that may write
19:01.39rainfyreDammitJim: you need to google file permissions in linux/unix and read and understand it, you'll get a better explanation that way
19:01.45somiajcarp: i.e. xorg usually runs on the first free tty it finds, this is by default 7, but if something is running on 7, it then runs on 8
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19:02.11DammitJimkale, and rainfyre are you saying that one doesn't need an ACL-like configuration to get this done?
19:02.28kaleDammitJim: not this specific task
19:02.42DammitJimyou have a group of admins who can read and write, then you have a group of developers who can only read, then there is the owner of the file
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19:02.56DammitJimthen you have a group who can't do anything
19:03.01rainfyreDammitJim: I'm sorry, I don't know what ACL is
19:03.04carpsomiaj: i logged out of gnome and logged back in, and i also logged in as root in ctrl alt f1
19:03.10DammitJimlike an access control list
19:03.32rainfyrei see
19:03.33somiajcarp: sounds like loging out didn't completely release the tty so the newlogin was then run on tty8
19:04.09DammitJimwith what you are suggesting, one can't have different groups set for a folder to be able to do different things
19:04.24carpsomiaj: ok i just turn off the computer and restart tomorrow then?
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19:04.45jhutchins_wkDammitJim The Linux System Administrator's Guide is an excellent general resource: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/sag/html/index.html
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19:04.52somiajcarp: yea once you restart it will then go back to running on tty7
19:04.56jhutchins_wkDammitJim: This isn't the first time you've asked something it covers.
19:05.06carpsomiaj: ok cool phew, nothing serious.
19:05.34DammitJimjhutchins_wk, thanks jhutchins_wk ... it's because I thought I understood it and implemented it, but it didn't work right
19:05.41DammitJimso, I wanted to see if there was something else I should read
19:05.56somiajcarp: yea usually when you logout of gnome it should releawse the tty, for somereason it didn't. I wouldn' tworry because one usually dones't logout/in of xorg multiple times on a running machien. But if you can reproduce this, it is a bug and can be looked at
19:06.04jhutchins_wkDammitJim: The guide's a bit archaic, but it's still good basics.
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19:06.46carpsomiaj: it was because i had to log out and in again, as i was adding the user to the sudo list
19:06.46DammitJimjhutchins_wk, are you sure that link is right? I don't see anything about users, groups of folder/file permissions
19:06.50anddamsomiaj: no, I wiped wicd
19:07.06DammitJimyes, ok, they are called extended permissions (when one sees a + on a folder)
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19:08.18DammitJimso, rainfyre and kale you can set extended permissions to do more complex things with folders/files
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19:10.35rainfyreDammitJim: slick
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19:12.32jhutchins_wkcarp: You don't actually have to log out if you edit sudoers.  You do if you add your username to a group.
19:12.50jhutchins_wkcarp: sudoers gets read each time sudo is called.
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19:13.05carpjhutchins_wk: righto
19:13.38cybrNautjudd> Backporting package bitcoind in sid→wheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy. <= that says all deps satisfied, but when i run "aptitude build-dep bitcoind", i get "Unable to satisfy the build-depends: Build-Depends: libdb4.8++-dev" and 3 other similar lines
19:13.44DammitJimdoes one need to enable acl on ext4?
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19:13.52DammitJimI see one needs to do it for ext2 and ext3
19:14.01DammitJimbut not for xfs for example
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19:23.12carpTrying to get my wireless card working. Would you guys say that getting a ndis wrapper working is a bit too hard for a novice?
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19:29.04sebuso/
19:30.00sebusJust compared ext3 vs ext4 on my old crap pc. ext4 seems to be bit better over huge files
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19:32.11carpIm halfway into it. identified my wireless card (Marvell Libertas 88W8335 chipset [11ab:1faa]) and found possible download location for the driver http://www.driverguide.com/driver/detail.php?driverid=522863. And Ive installed the ndiswrapper-utils-1.9 and wireless-tools
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19:33.21kalecarp: usually there is a linux driver too
19:33.23carpbit stuck now though, im not sure if this is a safe place to download from, i havent downloaded anything not from the package manager yet, and i havent dont the steps after that either ofcourse, such as unzip
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19:33.55kalecarp: what does lspci say about the card?
19:34.29phoggcarp: marvell cards are usually well supported natively. ARe you sure you need ndiswrapper?
19:34.34carp03:07.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88w8335 [Libertas] 802.11b/g Wireless [11ab:1faa] (rev 03)
19:35.17carpphogg on this page https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi it says ndiswrapper needed
19:35.34carpphogg: im not sure though no
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19:36.28kalecarp is package "firmware-libertas" availible
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19:37.50kalecarp it is ni jessie, but i do not know about wheezy
19:38.07greycat,versions firmware-libertas
19:38.08juddPackage: firmware-libertas on i386 -- squeeze-backports/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1~bpo60+1; wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 0.43~bpo70+1; sid/non-free: 0.43; jessie/non-free: 0.43
19:38.15DirksonHey all. I usually start/stop my wifi card with ifup/ifdown, but I'd like my non-root user to be able to start and stop the wifi from the command line. Any ideas for how best to do that?
19:38.28carpkale: what method am i using to check this?
19:38.58kalecar just run "apt-get install firmware-libertas"
19:39.02greycatDirkson: the typical way would be to allow the user to run the commands in sudoers
19:39.53Dirksongreycat: Always had trouble with that. Sudo configuration seems like more art than science
19:40.00greycatIt is horrible, yes.
19:40.05carpkale: it says "unable to locate package"
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19:40.40abrotmancarp: do you have the non-free sources enabled?
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19:41.04carpabrotman: probably not. can you explain a little more please?
19:41.09greycatThe basic sudoers syntax to let a user run a command without a password prompt, if that's what you were aiming for, is:  username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program
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19:41.14abrotmandpkg: tell carp about non-free
19:42.09carpabrotman: i didnt get a message from dpkg
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19:42.54Dirksongreycat: Appreciate that : )
19:43.18carpabrotman the wireless card i have is    Marvell Libertas 88W8335 chipset [11ab:1faa]  and is listed as needing ndiswrapper on this page though https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi
19:43.44Dirksongreycat: I'll copy that down, but I think I'll see if I can't get this thing automatically taking the interface down/up when the device looses/gains power, which is what I'm *really* aiming for : )
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19:44.29carpkale: i have only just installed debian stable. if jessie testing has support for this card then i would be willing to switch to that instead. especially as i am only just starting out.
19:44.49carpis that a bit over the top though?
19:44.57abrotmancarp: you did get a msg
19:44.57greycat(especially considering that jessie is going to become stable in ~5 days)
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19:45.20carpabrotman oops its in a new window sorry
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19:45.38carpnew to irc chat too :)
19:45.42kalecarp: you were asked to enable non-free. enabling non-free will likely give you access to this package. it will be the same problem on jessie.
19:46.33acz32anyone know if mate-panel can be always on top of other windows, and not reserve space. xfce4-panel can do this but i don't see the option in mate
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19:48.43carpkale ok cool. i dont mind enabling a non-free driver for my wireless card (i will just have to hope it is not a secret nsa backdoor heh). i will go and learn about enabling non-free hopefully it will do the trick
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19:51.29eschmidbauerAnyone having problems installing nginx on debian 8?
19:51.42eschmidbauerhttp://paste.debian.net/167894/
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19:53.04greycatknows very little about systemd, but that error says you should run "systemctl status nginx.service" and/or "journalctl -xn" for more details
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19:53.27abrotmanheh
19:54.04eschmidbauermy first negative encounter with systemd
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19:54.05greycatBut I'm sure someone is going to write a system admin guide to systemd in the next 5 days, right?
19:54.10eschmidbauerand it's only been 1 week
19:54.11eschmidbauerlol
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19:54.24abrotmangreycat: checked your wiki, didn't see one .. so, probably not
19:54.53greycatI figured out how to make it not clear the console!  That counts, right?
19:55.24carpim just looking at https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/firmware-libertas and my card is 8335 but i think it might not be in this package.
19:55.51carpworth trying anyway though. i will continue
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19:56.20greycatthe jessie version of that page doesn't explicitly list 8335 either
19:56.42abrotmanif someone has jessie handy, they can use modinfo
19:56.51rainfyrei do, what do you need?
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19:59.41abrotmanwould guess 'modinfo libertas | grep 8335'
20:00.12rainfyrenothing
20:00.23greycatit doesn't list card models in modinfo
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20:01.23greycathttp://sprunge.us/QcfX
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20:01.54greycatSo I think you're back to "Try It And See"
20:02.13DirksonAnyone have any ideas on how to do an automatic ifup when my (usb) wifi device connects?
20:02.35valdynDirkson: allow-hotplug
20:03.17phoggeven the libertas website doesn't specifically list the 8335
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20:05.00Dirksonvaldyn: Hmm. Doesn't seem like it's worked...
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20:06.48valdynDirkson: yea, i just read the manpage, and i cant find the hotplugger that would read that "allow-hotplug" and act on it
20:07.10valdynDirkson: ifplugd works of course
20:07.15Dirksonvaldyn: ifplugd?
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20:07.33carpphogg yeah i looked there, a bit strange it is not there
20:07.48valdynDirkson: maybe ifplugd will even respect that allow-hotplug stanza, worst case you have to explicitely set up your interface
20:07.58valdynDirkson: its a daemon that does what you want
20:08.03Dirksonvaldyn: Cool. Installed and fuddling with the config : )
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20:08.36carpsorry guys, im very slow, this is the first time im editing a file. i have /etc/apt/sources.list open with nano at the moment
20:08.51rainfyrecarp open it as root so you can edit it
20:09.09carprainfyre: yes i used sudo
20:09.13rainfyrecarp: do you have config and non-free repos enabled?
20:09.24carprain no i think not
20:09.24rainfyrecarp: conrtib
20:09.29rainfyrecontrib, jeez
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20:10.11Dirksonvaldyn: Well, I got it to take down the interface automagically. That seems like an improvement :D
20:10.21rainfyrecarp: you'll want to edit the lines of your sources.list file to say main contrib non-free at the end of the 4 sources lines
20:10.46rainfyrecarp: so add contrib non-free to each line and save then run apt-get update again
20:10.57valdynDirkson: why arent you using something like network-manager?
20:11.01rainfyrecarp: I was wondering if you'd enabled the non-free repos yet
20:11.27carprainfyre: i see, yes that is clear. i will do so now.
20:11.34rainfyrecarp: super groovy
20:11.39Dirksonvaldyn: Seems kinda silly to run a gui program all the time for something I need to configure once or twice a year?
20:12.17rainfyreDirkson: wicd-curses?
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20:13.03jhutchins_wkwicd and network-manager (which also has a cli interface) are useful if you move around and change networks a lot.  They're not really appropriate for a static configuration.
20:13.29jhutchins_wkwishes people would stop knee-jerk recommending wicd.
20:14.08valdynumm, ifplugd is not exactly "static". So it makes sense to ask if there aint something more suitable
20:14.18DirksonHmm. Wicd looks heavier than my window manager...
20:14.43rainfyreDirkson: which wm?
20:14.46teraflopI use networkd in jessie right now
20:15.02Dirksonrainfyre: i3
20:15.08rainfyreDirkson: same here
20:15.11carprainfyre: like this? http://paste.debian.net/167900/
20:15.17Dirksonrainfyre: It's nice ^^
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20:15.31rainfyreDirkson: agreed, and just about anything's heavier than i3 heh
20:15.40carpi left line 15 and 16 without
20:15.47valdyn!evilwm
20:15.47dpkghmm... evilwm is a borderless wm. extremely minimalistic (if you care about that kind of thing)
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20:16.00valdynbut not as nice of course
20:16.12rainfyrecarp: perfect!
20:16.39rainfyrevaldyn: i'm so happy with i3, i've stopped dm/wm hopping for the moment
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20:17.06Dirksonvaldyn: You can set up i3 as borderless, if that's what you prefer.
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20:17.26DirksonI haven't tried evilwm, though, I admit
20:17.44valdynevilwm is not very interesting, its just borderless
20:17.46TXpowerif its debian got no any terminal widget?
20:17.49valdynbut a classical wm
20:18.08carprainfyre: ive now done sudo apt-get update and its downloading lots. i didnt realize i was gunna get everything straight away haha. i thought i was gunna tell it to only get libertas in the next step oh well
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20:19.20rainfyrecarp: it's only updating your package list
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20:20.33carpsomething i dont get. ive read about the difference between the 5 main package managers. is aptitude the preferred method for doing things generally? but apt-get update is very common too. why is it not aptitude update instead?
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20:20.53somiajcarp: either works
20:21.07greycatIt's personal preference.
20:21.21valdyncarp: sometimes on a new release theres 1 that does things better, then you get a recommendation to upgrade with that, that is all really
20:21.23carpsomiaj: ok cool. just getting my head around it. thats ok then
20:21.43somiajcarp: there is only one package manager. That is dpkg. Then there are tools that can download packages and deal with dependencies. apt-get and aptitude are the two most common and either can be used. They do have different logic, apt-get runs faster, aptitude is slower but can figure out more complex dependencies
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20:22.11rainfyrethat's a good explanation
20:22.17carpawesome
20:22.19rainfyrei tend to use aptitude
20:22.23valdynbut.. apt-get was only ever intended as proof of concept or somesuch, now theres "apt" and i nearly didnt notice
20:22.31somiajI personally don't trust synamptic, but that is because in the past it didn't play nicely with apt. But if you only use it, it can work just fine.
20:22.32rainfyrewow
20:22.52rainfyresynaptic is nice to search packages and read descriptions
20:23.14rainfyrerunning aptitude works for that too but it's a little quirkier to search I think
20:23.38somiajcarp: /msg dpkg why apt-get (the why aptitude then why not apt-get then why not aptitude then run apt-get moo)
20:23.42DirksonLooks like ifplugd is running too early, before the wlan0 chip fully turns on. Anyone know how to delay it?
20:24.03rainfyreapt-get has cool things you can do like apt-get clean, apt-get autoclean and apt-get autoclean
20:24.24rainfyreoops, apt-get autoremove
20:24.42rainfyreanyway carp, imagine all the intersting reading you have ahead of you!
20:25.31carpi will use aptitude as my go to for now then until i learn more. rainfyre yes i am actually genuinely excited, i have got far to comfortable using xp and need a good shake up
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20:25.52valdynDirkson: -u5 in ARGS= in /etc/default/ifplugd
20:26.15valdynDirkson: see manpage or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=43766
20:26.53nachtgeisthi! how can I limit the mailing list archive search to a specific list? (https://lists.debian.org/search.html)
20:27.34nachtgeistthere's a paragraph "list selection" under the link "syntax help" but no select field to be found...
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20:29.20Dirksonvaldyn: Thanks! : )
20:29.37rainfyrecarp: have you run aptitude install firmware-libertas?
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20:35.42carpyep, rebooting now
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20:38.37carp_and im back in the room
20:38.55jhutchins_wkcarp_: Three minutes isn't too bad.
20:39.30carp_jhutchins_wk: brand new HD, £43 quid
20:39.37rainfyrefast
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20:42.01mmcjithere used to be a user space nfs server , but I don't see unfs3 or nfs-user-server in wheezy or jessie.  Does anyone know of a user space nfs server for debian wheezy or jessie that does not require kernel support?  this is not mission critical and lower performance is fine.  Thanks.
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20:47.28valdynmmcji: upstream dead since before 2010 (for both it seems)
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20:48.50mmcjiscp, sftp ftp sure, but I am asking about nfs.. I am looking at ganesha right now.  jhutchins:thanks  valdyn: thanks
20:49.34valdynmmcji: if you cant have kernel support, then samba may be the best network fs really
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20:51.13mmcjiI totally forgot about samba.  I haven't used samba in ages.
20:51.53valdynmmcji: if your clients support smb 2.0+ then its probably decent
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20:58.08convergeis there difference between quilt and dquilt ?
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20:59.18towo`ex-deb, use dd
20:59.23towo`or cat, or cp
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21:01.25daywhy am i not finding 'pass' in the repos?
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21:02.54ex-debtowo`: at least not today. I'll try dd thanks
21:03.36dayit should be there https://packages.debian.org/sid/admin/pass
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21:03.54daythats the sid repo. but i assume its in the same place for wheezy :/
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21:04.45juddPackage: pass on i386 -- wheezy-backports: 1.6.3-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.6.3-3; sid: 1.6.5-1
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21:06.02daywhy is it in backports :/ I thought its a common every day package
21:06.59greycatI've never heard of i.t
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21:10.13daygreyscale: Pass: The Standard Unix Password Manager
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21:10.55bazhangor keepassx was it
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21:11.11daythat sounds like it uses X
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21:23.16zapotahheh
21:23.23zapotahfound the culprit for crashes
21:23.38zapotahboth disks of the system array are failing
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21:29.11Sherafhi, I'm unstable, how can i have this missing file:
21:29.14Sheraffglrx installation requires that the system have kernel headers.  /lib/modules/3.16.0-4-amd64/build/include/linux/version.h cannot be found on this system.
21:29.23Sherafi got the headers packages already ... it's not in there for some reason
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21:29.39somiajSheraf: are you trying to install fglrx from debian packages or from amd.com?
21:30.30Sherafsomiaj: amd.com
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21:31.54redstonecraftplI have an question about instaling rtmp nginx server on free shell(openshells.org).. could i just compile it?
21:32.09redstonecraftpland everything will work then?
21:32.29somiajSheraf: this is not supported, please use the debian packages.
21:33.05somiajSheraf: could be it isn't finding config.h because it is looking in /usr/src/linux as opposed to /usr/src/linux-version, but we don't support their binaries. We do support installing them from the debian packages.
21:33.10somiaj,v fglrx-driver
21:33.11juddPackage: fglrx-driver on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 1:10-9-3squeeze1; wheezy/non-free: 1:12-6+point-3; wheezy-backports/non-free: 1:14.9+ga14.201-2~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 1:14.9+ga14.201-2; sid/non-free: 1:14.9+ga14.201-2; experimental/non-free: 1:14.12-1
21:33.39somiajSheraf: if the 1.14.9 version in sid is not recent enough for your card, you can try 14.12 from experimental. (not sure what the current upstream version is)
21:33.56carpthankyou very much for the help everyone. i didnt get the wireless working just yet, i think i will need to complete the ndiswrapper, but tomorrow :) gn
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21:34.12somiajSheraf: sorry mean 14.9 in sid vs 14.12 in experimental
21:34.23Sherafi have an hold card so it should be fine
21:34.35Sherafsomiaj: but i'm getting depencies issue from the repo
21:34.55Sherafsomiaj: http://pastebin.com/qgG8Yq33 see
21:35.03Sheraftrying to install fglrx-legacy-driver
21:35.25somiajSheraf: then install that, what card do y ou have?
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21:35.30juddPackage: fglrx-legacy-driver on i386 -- wheezy-backports/non-free: 8.97.100.7-3~bpo70+1; sid/non-free: 8.97.100.7-5
21:35.48Sherafsomiaj: [AMD/ATI] RV635/M86 [Mobility Radeon HD 3650]
21:36.11somiajSheraf: are you running only sid packages (no mixing), can you paste the output of 'apt-cache policy' for me?
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21:36.48somiajSheraf: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=726500 -- seems you have hit this bug.
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21:37.02Sherafsomiaj: http://pastebin.com/HGSEMiZS
21:37.19Sherafi installed unstable like 2hours ago
21:37.23somiajSheraf: the legacy driver will not work with the newer abi of xorg. This is because amd has not cared to updated these drivers. Any reason why the free radeon driver + non-free firmware won't work for you?
21:37.30Sherafi'm already dealing with bugs \o/
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21:38.06Sherafsomiaj: i think i'm getting better perf with fglrx
21:38.30somiajSheraf: the only way to get that card (amd is not supporting its legacy driver it seems) is to use radeon. So the radon driver + the non-free firmware (firmware-linux-nonfree) package will give you decent 3D support.
21:38.47somiajSheraf: that is the only option in sid. You would have to run an older xorg to get that driver to work, and run wheezy.
21:39.04Sherafreally :(
21:39.35somiajSheraf: that is what the info I'm finding tells me, unless amd has updated the legacy driver (they most likely won't and if they do it will be in a while) you cannot use the legacy driver with newer kernels and xorg.
21:39.36Sherafi'm already running radeon, and i can see some weird stuff that never happened when  i was using fglrx on wheezy
21:39.50somiajSheraf: did you install the non-free firmware package I mentioned?
21:40.15Sheraflike right now, i'm on fvwm, when i switch desktop, and come back to this desktop where is my rxvt-unicode in fullscreen, it takes like 0.8s to redraw my irc client
21:40.24Sherafi can see it from top to bottom redrawing
21:40.33Sherafsomiaj: yes i did
21:41.26somiajSheraf: usually the radeon driver works fairly decent. I would check dmesg and /var/log/Xorg.0.log and make sure it loaded correctly and there isn't any warnings/errors
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21:41.50somiajSheraf: or just go back to wheezy. You can bug amd about updating their legacy driver (even then might take a while for it to make it into debian)
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21:43.06Sherafwheezy is a bit too stable...
21:43.32Sherafi don't see anything weird in the the Xorg log
21:44.30Sherafsee http://www.pastebin.ca/2977816
21:45.01somiajSheraf: well your card is only supported by the free drivers in jessie and sid. That is the best I can say about that card. You can thank amd for keeping their legacy drivers closed (:
21:45.53Sherafyeah that sucks :/
21:47.07Sherafi just don't get why my terminal is getting redrawn like that, it doesn't do that when i switch to my desktop with chromium
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21:47.28teraflophttp://www.extremetech.com/extreme/202066-samsung-may-be-mulling-an-amd-acquisition-heres-what-could-happen
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21:47.30somiajSheraf: are you using transparency?
21:47.46Sherafno
21:47.58hiexpowhat radeon card is it
21:47.58somiajSheraf: just for the fun of it, try xterm, does it have the same problem?
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21:48.09Sherafit only does it here with my irc client over ssh (weechat)
21:48.19somiajhiexpo: hd3650 (older card)
21:48.21Sherafi have another term full of text and it doesn't do it
21:48.37cheapieroot@Server:~# chmod 544 /etc/resolv.conf
21:48.37cheapiechmod: changing permissions of ‘/etc/resolv.conf’: Operation not permitted
21:48.46cheapieI remember locking that, now I can't remember how to unlock it.
21:48.50Sheraf-i
21:49.07Sherafcheapie: chattr -i
21:49.13cheapieSheraf: Thanks.
21:49.20somiajcheapie: there are some extended atributes, I forget to the command to look at them or change them. Ah Sheraf has your back, chattr (change extened attributes)
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21:51.45hiexpoSheraf, did you try the amd propitiatory driver from amd
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21:52.15somiajhiexpo: that is the problem, he needs their legacy driver and amd's legacy driver won't run on newer xorg
21:52.26somiajhiexpo: hence he needs to either run wheezy or not use the amd driver.
21:52.30hiexposomiaj, oh
21:52.39somiajhiexpo: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=726500
21:53.30hiexpowell run wheezy thats what i run
21:54.31hiexpoupdate it when amd gets around to it i'm sure they will
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21:54.49Sherafi mean, radeon are doing fine right now, just that thing with my terminal redrawing, only on the irc client though
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21:55.33somiajSheraf: might have something to do with waiting for some change and not the video drivers at all.
21:55.40somiajtout: what you are looking for?
21:55.43somiaj,v emacs24
21:55.43thmsI lost root access to my VPS. I know one of the user's password so I modified the shadow file and copied the encrypted user's password to the root, but I still cannot login.
21:55.44juddPackage: emacs24 on i386 -- wheezy-backports: 24.4+1-4.1~bpo70+1; jessie: 24.4+1-5; sid: 24.4+1-5
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21:56.03somiajthms: do you have sudo privlages? (i.e. how did you modify the file)?
21:56.16touti' m looking for emacs24
21:56.19Roberth1990uhhh doesnt fglrx work with xserver that is released in 2012!?
21:56.25thmssomiaj: in rescue mode.
21:56.25somiajtout: you can get it in wheezy-backports.
21:56.36thmsI am gonna show you the file. adding myself to sudoers what my second though
21:56.48Sherafthms: don't you have any rescue mode?
21:56.54thmsI do.
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21:57.05somiajthms: if you are in a rescue mode, can you log in as root in a shell inside the enviorment. just run 'passwd' as root, no need to change file
21:57.07Sherafso go, chroot and passwd.
21:57.22terafloptout: \o/
21:57.25thmsit's a VPS so they only mount the filesystem
21:57.28thmsin /mnt
21:57.37somiajthms: it could be that the root login was disabled, in that case you can't login as root. I would check for that, the flag might be in /etc/passwd (check the shell make sure root logins are allowed)
21:57.40thmsTake a look at my password: http://pastebin.com/PDjzqpbK
21:57.56somiajthms: then chroot /mnt (and once inside the file system run passwd)
21:59.29thmssomiaj: ho. Alright.
21:59.30Sherafwhat would i loose running a lower version or xorg using unstable?
21:59.35thmsPermitrootlogin was also at no.
21:59.40thmsgonna add myself to sudoers
22:00.18teraflopSheraf: are you sure you can do such thing?
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22:00.39Sherafteraflop: not even sure..
22:00.57somiajSheraf: you will cause yourself a lot of pain. If you like pain that is what you'll loose
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22:01.18somiajSheraf: i.e. you will have to manually install old version of xorg packages, and any new package that doesn't work with the xorg will now have to be dealth with and the list goes on and on.
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22:01.22Sherafi guess i'll go with the O.8s redrawing irc client then
22:01.24somiajSheraf: easier to just run wheezy + backports.
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22:01.56hiexpothat's what i do
22:01.59somiajSheraf: try the client locally, is it only over ssh you ahve the issue, maybe the client doens't auto redraw itself that often unless an event gets sent, and you are having to wait for this event to get sent over ssh.
22:02.23Sherafi did, i even tried other curses stuff, it really start happening when there is a lot of text/color
22:02.23somiaji.e. there is a lot of things that could be waiting for the remote client to be told hey redraw yourself
22:02.28Sherafmostly color i'd say
22:02.30hiexposomiaj, that's exactly what's happening
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22:03.03somiajand I doubt the fglrx driver would do anything to change thigs. Maybe there is some small behaviour change in other thigns in unstable causign this 'lag'
22:04.33Sherafit's really not that bad, i'm just being picky
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22:05.37hiexpoSheraf, just be patient amd will realease it soon
22:06.05hiexpoas soon As jesse is released
22:06.35teraflopSheraf: i bet you can't
22:07.13Sherafteraflop: i'm not going to try anyway :p
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22:13.24thmsIs it normal
22:13.38thmsI chrooted and set my root password to the same as the user password
22:13.43thmsbut in shadow the hash is different
22:13.48thmshow can it be ?
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22:14.11somiajthms: not sure the the hash includes userid or not
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22:15.16larksquickie, trying to isntall a new wine by source.  I need to install 64 and 32 bit version and I need to install the 32 bit libs.  Do I need to install the 32 bit dev files or just the bin packages?
22:16.10larksnot sure if the headers/dev files are the same or I just need the binary packages only so
22:16.15Sherafi don't think you need any dev stuff if you're not compiling anything
22:16.16somiajthms: I just checked one of my choorts, seems hases for root are different than hases for a normal user, not sure why this is the case.
22:16.50larksSheraf: I'm installing wine by source since the version in wheezy is old
22:16.51somiajthms: even different users get different hashes, not sure if the uid is used in the has or not.
22:17.01somiaj,v wine-unstable
22:17.02juddNo package named 'wine-unstable' was found in i386.
22:17.32somiaj,v wine-development
22:17.33juddPackage: wine-development on i386 -- jessie: 1.7.29-4; sid: 1.7.41-1
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22:18.01somiajlarks: apt-get build-dep wine should work if you have a deb-src in your sources.list to get all the build depends
22:18.02thmssomiaj: ho okay.
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22:19.32larkssomiaj: thought about that but it game some weird deps, let me play with it and hopefully not break my system...
22:20.39somiajthms: do your passwords start with a $1$ or a $n$ for some other number n?
22:22.11larkssomiaj: configure: error: Cannot build a 32-bit program, you need to install 32-bit development libraries.
22:22.21larksafter build-dep wine32
22:22.38somiajlarks: you don't want to build wine32 in a 64 bit enviroment, use a 32bit build chroot
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22:23.08somiajlarks: http://paste.debian.net/167917/ -- works for the development versions of wine too
22:24.28somiajthms: man crypt, seems that there is an additional 'salt' added to make passwords harder to decrypt. the password is $id$salt$encrypted
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22:26.01somiajthms: I'm surprised copying/pasteing didn't work, but maybe the salt needs to be different for different users, but basically this adds more randomness to the hash and makes brute force harder. (been a while since I've played with the passwords, use to be easier to copy/paste them, might still be able to, but not sure about this salt and if it is tied tot he uid or not
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22:28.24guesswho---any release date on debian jessie?
22:28.29guesswho----for
22:29.07somiajguesswho---: no offical date, april 25 was beign passed around but no annoucment yet. I will say soon (next few weeks) and there will be an annoucment about a week before (though could be as short as only a few days)
22:29.20somiajguesswho---: there are still 64 rc bugs to deal with.
22:29.28guesswho---thank you!
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23:10.15convergeIm testing dput software, and want to break a packages to try to upload it, how could I break a package ?
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23:11.29somiajconverge: break in what way? put an 'exit 1' at top of the post install script, it won't install correctly but nothing critical will go wrong
23:12.42convergesomiaj: i don't know exatcly , I need make dput says something 'im unable to upload because its broke'
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23:13.19convergeim testing a patch for sending two .changes at the same time, I need force one of them to break to test it
23:13.38vostorgaHi guys, I know Debian is very bond to HP hardware, so have anyone of you have luck installing debian with SmartArray B140i ? I don't know whether hpdsa-1.2.0-185.ubuntu1404.x86_64.img will work as a controller driver for debian 7.8 . BTW hardware is HP DL360 G9
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23:16.42somiajconverge: you could use dd and copy from /dev/random until you got a file that is the same length as the package. Upload that. It will be complete garbage, so I can't think of being more broken than that.
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23:59.35Agent_IsaiIs it possible to use the Remote Desktop Control program from Windows to connect to my debian machine that has VNC setup and running?
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