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| 00:25.39 | mishehu | I'm trying to build a custom package for a piece of software that has a custom makefile which has no install: defined. What do I have to do after running dh_make on it to be able to build the package properly? |
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| 00:26.22 | Brigo | mishehu, install usually only copies the files to their final location in the system |
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| 00:29.03 | mishehu | Brigo: yeah, I'm fairly new to having to build on debian, but other systems often times use the DESTDIR var if it's an automake or cmake type of project |
| 00:29.26 | mishehu | I specified "single" in dh_make because I just need 1 single package for this, no need for it to be split |
| 00:29.48 | Brigo | mishehu, so your are talking about building a debian package? |
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| 00:31.02 | mishehu | Brigo: yeah. and after I run `dpkg-builpackage -c` on it, it leaves me with a deb fiile containing only a few text files, but not the compiled libfoo.so file or any of the header files. |
| 00:31.14 | Brigo | mishehu, may be checkinstall can fits you. |
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| 00:34.19 | mishehu | Brigo: I think checkinstall only works when there is defined an install: directive in the makefiles. |
| 00:34.38 | mishehu | this makefile quite literally builds the libfoo.so file and that's it, nothing else. |
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| 00:36.07 | Brigo | then i don¡t know what to say you, but you can join oftc network and ask in #debian-mentors. They know about debian packagin. |
| 00:36.11 | Brigo | packaging* |
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| 00:47.38 | converge | can anyone help me in this package build error message? http://paste.debian.net/168173/ |
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| 00:49.24 | warsh | when is it recommended to put /usr, /var, /tmp, and /home each on their own partitions |
| 00:50.23 | Brigo | warsh, almost never? |
| 00:50.47 | warsh | Brigo: what about having a separate /home partition? |
| 00:50.53 | warsh | https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apcs03.html.en |
| 00:50.57 | warsh | is what I'm referring to |
| 00:51.05 | converge | warsh: that's old school |
| 00:51.23 | Brigo | warsh, that could be advisable. You could upgrade or even change linux distribution, without lost user data. |
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| 00:57.25 | warsh | alright, separate /home partition it is |
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| 00:57.48 | TacoGS | is there any GUI frontend for bind? |
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| 00:57.59 | TacoGS | Well, that is not a web interface |
| 00:58.38 | abrotman | TacoGS: I've not seen one, but #dns might know of one. I mean, the Bind ARM is pretty good, lots of examples |
| 00:58.50 | TacoGS | thanks abrotman |
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| 02:06.19 | routaran | Hello, does anyone here have advise on getting a Corsair K70 to work correctly in debian? I have tried this keyboard on Debian derivatives like Ubuntu and Kali, I have no issues on those distros. But on debian, right after grub starts to boot the OS, the system seems to hang but continues normal boot if I unplug the K70 |
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| 02:10.19 | thefinn93 | What is the procedure for getting an OpenVPN client running jessie that's different from wheezy? I installed the package "openvpn", put my config in /etc/openvpn, and ran service openvpn start |
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| 02:13.08 | thefinn93 | hrm, might be openvpn/network/routing issues |
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| 02:18.54 | econdudeawesome | Howdy all! Where did the ffmpeg package go? I see it in wheezy and sid, but not in jessie? |
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| 02:20.02 | econdudeawesome | Ah, I see now https://lwn.net/Articles/607591/ mentions it is now libav. Any advice on how I run it from the command line? |
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| 02:25.29 | kWO901 | can i install a 64bit debian on this machine? http://paste.debian.net/168182/ |
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| 02:28.55 | dvs | kWO901: yes |
| 02:29.14 | kWO901 | dvs: thx |
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| 02:31.09 | themill | econdudeawesome: libav-tools has various av* commands depending on what you want to do |
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| 02:35.38 | econdudeawesome | themill: whatever this command would do with ffmpeg, I'd like to replace rather than installing ffmpeg from git: find . -name "*.xwma" -exec ffmpeg -i {} -acodec pcm_u8 {}.wav \; |
| 02:35.58 | econdudeawesome | themill: if you have any input I'm greatly appreciatative! |
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| 02:37.56 | themill | econdudeawesome: you could probably just change 'ffmpeg' to 'avconv' there since what you're trying to do is convert the audio. Note that both ffmpeg and avconv keep changing their command line options on a regular basis which means you may have to update the command in any case. |
| 02:39.53 | econdudeawesome | thanks themill |
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| 02:40.18 | kWO901 | If my system is debian 32bit. can i install a vmware debian 64bit ? |
| 02:41.01 | awal | econdudeawesome: if you want a gui mode you can try winff-gtk2/qt |
| 02:41.01 | sydney_untangle | kWO901: vmware? Can you system handle 64 bit? |
| 02:41.22 | sydney_untangle | Anything within the last 12 years should. |
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| 02:41.55 | dvs | sydney_untangle: but they installed the 32-bit system. |
| 02:42.01 | kWO901 | sydney_untangle: can u still see the pastebin above with my cpu info ? |
| 02:42.09 | kWO901 | i;ve been told it supports 64 |
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| 02:42.46 | sydney_untangle | 'Id think it would, but cannot garuntee it. |
| 02:43.24 | kWO901 | sydney_untangle: dhv sais it does wor |
| 02:43.26 | kWO901 | wor |
| 02:43.28 | kWO901 | work |
| 02:44.24 | awal | themill: time ago I remember you said me something like "Why pull the pricey if you have horses". what's the exact sentence in english? |
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| 02:45.12 | themill | Someone else perhaps? |
| 02:45.38 | dvs | takes themill's horses |
| 02:46.20 | awal | not sure. means: why use complicated command lines if there is guy that can do the job easily |
| 02:46.49 | awal | liked that idea |
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| 02:56.23 | Akuw | hi |
| 02:56.30 | Akuw | i have problems to print |
| 02:56.54 | Akuw | the printer is installed using cups, i can see it in localhost:631 |
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| 03:07.15 | Akuw | las log localhost - - [21/Apr/2015:22:34:40 -04-30] "POST /printers/HP_LaserJet_P1005 HTTP/1.1" 200 10685 Send-Document successful-ok |
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| 03:08.22 | Brun0L3z | I need help, I have hundreds of files in a folder, some on sub folders with no extentions, I will like to add .html to all the files and those in subfolders using the terminal, is this possible?? Please help |
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| 03:09.55 | Akuw | something like tjis |
| 03:09.59 | Akuw | this for file in `find -name '123_*.txt'` ; do mv $file {?.txt} ; done |
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| 03:10.32 | Akuw | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9393607/find-and-replace-filename-recursively-in-a-directory |
| 03:10.39 | Brun0L3z | Akuw: will this work even though the files have no extentions? I thought it will work if the files were .txt |
| 03:10.40 | Akuw | try it |
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| 03:10.52 | Akuw | just test |
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| 03:13.53 | Brun0L3z | Akuw: trying that now. |
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| 03:19.20 | pfred1 | it is not easy to switch back to nouveau from the binary driver is it? |
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| 03:19.47 | pfred1 | there ought to be a single command to do this |
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| 03:27.16 | beakus | Hello, my desktop crashes frequently. I have a dual boot setup with Windows and Debian. Bother operating systems will crash. Either I get the blue screen of death or kernel panic error. I checked my CPU temperature and that appears fine. My RAM is DDR3 and I have 8 gigs |
| 03:27.44 | beakus | both operating systems crash frequently that is |
| 03:27.56 | Akuw | check you RAM |
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| 03:28.10 | Akuw | sounds like hardware problem |
| 03:28.26 | beakus | Akuw, The ram is not fit in the socket you mean? |
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| 03:33.13 | shay_shay | He crashed |
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| 03:33.58 | shay_shay | pfred1: you can write a bash script to do just that |
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| 03:34.23 | pfred1 | shay_shay that is what I've been seeing doing a net search |
| 03:34.55 | pfred1 | shay_shay I'm going off the reservation with a patched RT kernel and i want to switch to the open driver before i try to run it |
| 03:35.16 | shay_shay | Ah |
| 03:35.21 | shay_shay | Why rt? |
| 03:35.26 | pfred1 | jackd |
| 03:35.33 | shay_shay | Ah |
| 03:35.50 | shay_shay | I was going to ask you if you were running a CNC laser off of it |
| 03:35.53 | shay_shay | :P |
| 03:35.56 | pfred1 | though once i get it up, and running I'll see if i can't run the binary with it too |
| 03:36.18 | pfred1 | I have another RTAI Debian box for my CNC |
| 03:36.32 | pfred1 | it has Intel gfx though |
| 03:36.46 | Akuw | beakus: RAM can be bad |
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| 03:36.57 | Akuw | test with another module of ram |
| 03:37.14 | pfred1 | yeah even RAM testing software doesn't always catch bad RAM |
| 03:37.39 | pfred1 | compiling a big project usually does though |
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| 03:47.00 | beakus | Akuw |
| 03:47.21 | beakus | My computer crashed mid way through the conversation |
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| 03:47.30 | beakus | You were mentioning checking the RAM |
| 03:47.49 | beakus | I cleaned the RAM sticks and reinserted |
| 03:48.02 | beakus | Still crashed a half dozen times before I got it running again |
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| 03:49.55 | beakus | I dualboot and have both Windows and Debian running. Either I get blue screen of death or kernel panic |
| 03:50.00 | beakus | Frequently |
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| 03:57.23 | shingouz | beakus: do a memtest and insert the badram parameters off the memtest into your grub. if you have bad ram, that should take care of it for linux. what would work for doze is another thing |
| 03:57.56 | shay_shay | also try rotating the ram |
| 03:58.09 | shay_shay | one increment at a time |
| 03:58.52 | Rusty1 | or inserting one stick , booting , them the other, smartmontools should be considered as well |
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| 03:59.37 | shay_shay | or this whole thing could be caused by a faulty power supply... either way this is kinda off topic :P |
| 03:59.37 | shingouz | of course, there is also the solution most vendors would suggest: spend a crapload of money to get new hardware... ;) |
| 04:00.12 | shay_shay | yeah just keep buying things until it stops crashing :D |
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| 04:00.21 | shay_shay | thats what i would do |
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| 04:01.40 | beakus | If only I had money |
| 04:01.54 | beakus | Final semester at school |
| 04:02.03 | beakus | Perfect timing |
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| 04:08.14 | yep | I have debian installed on a Minnowboard max and it is not loading a gui when it boots have tried ctrl alt f7 and tried loading from TTY no luck with either anyone have any idea |
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| 04:08.57 | kWO901 | I had an issue where should i look for logs? |
| 04:09.05 | shay_shay | yep does it work when you do startx? assuming you have xinit installed |
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| 04:11.48 | kWO901 | my wlan went off at random, where do i look or logs? |
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| 04:16.05 | ctmjr | kWO901: syslog or maybe dmesg might have something |
| 04:16.20 | yep | shay_shay updating the system right now will try once completed |
| 04:18.46 | kWO901 | ctmjr: http://paste.debian.net/168192/ --- can u figure out anything here? |
| 04:18.53 | hiexpo | kWO901, there are many tools you can install to detect this sort of thing like kismet airmon-ng wireshark etc. |
| 04:19.59 | hiexpo | misunderstood your? kWO901 |
| 04:22.24 | kWO901 | ctmjr: ? |
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| 04:24.59 | kWO901 | also. when wlan0 was down and i did a "sudo ifconfig wlan0 up" it said it cant due to RF kill |
| 04:25.42 | ctmjr | kWO901: are you on jessie or wheezy? |
| 04:25.53 | kWO901 | wheezy |
| 04:26.12 | kWO901 | 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae |
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| 04:26.43 | kWO901 | i had this same issue even before i updated the kernel |
| 04:26.49 | Rusty1 | kWO901: in a terminal, as root, type: rfkill list wifi |
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| 04:28.20 | kWO901 | Rusty1: http://paste.debian.net/168193/ |
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| 04:31.19 | Rusty1 | kWO901: in network manager i might try setting ipv6 to ignore, there have been problems with iwlwifi lately, though not in debiankernels that i am aware of |
| 04:31.52 | kWO901 | Rusty1: how do I set ipv6 to ignore ? |
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| 04:32.42 | Rusty1 | if you have the gnome network manager, it should have a tab for ipv6 |
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| 04:33.51 | Rusty1 | otherwise i have to ask someone else or google disable ipv6 debian |
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| 04:34.19 | kWO901 | ok ill google thx |
| 04:36.03 | _habnabit | if there's kernel modules in the standard kernel source tree that aren't build/installed by debian by default, what's the best way to distribute them to debian systems? |
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| 04:36.35 | _habnabit | i was reading about dkms, but it seems to be primarily for kernel modules outside the standard kernel source tree |
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| 04:38.46 | pfred1 | why doesn't Debian have one command that switches from binary Nvidia to nouveau? |
| 04:39.08 | buu | pfred1: Because you haven't written it yet |
| 04:39.08 | pfred1 | I kind of remember they have one command to go th other way |
| 04:39.30 | pfred1 | buu yeah it doesn't look like that is going to ever happen |
| 04:40.23 | pfred1 | it should be an update alternatives kind of a thing |
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| 04:40.34 | shay_shay | pfred1: it would take you an hour to learn enough bash to do thatr |
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| 04:40.48 | shay_shay | you spent more time complaining about it than it would have taken you |
| 04:41.08 | pfred1 | shay_shay pointing something out is not complaing about it |
| 04:41.21 | pfred1 | making an observation is not a complaint |
| 04:42.03 | pfred1 | when i say the sky is blue it is not a complaint |
| 04:42.25 | pfred1 | now welcome to my ignore list |
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| 04:43.05 | pfred1 | where shay_shay will stay_stay for a very long time |
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| 04:43.25 | _habnabit | just remember, kids: on irc, it's not a real /ignore if you don't announce it |
| 04:44.56 | pingfloyd | I'm ignoring you |
| 04:45.03 | pingfloyd | lalalalalalalalala |
| 04:45.43 | swift110-phone | Ok |
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| 04:58.33 | hiexpo | he's probally not gonna sleep tonight |
| 04:58.42 | hiexpo | poor guy |
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| 05:08.33 | valdyn | pfred1: writing one command that touches people's custom config files is not that easy |
| 05:09.00 | pfred1 | valdyn yes there does seem to be considerable risk involved with the process |
| 05:09.09 | pfred1 | you have to reboot too |
| 05:09.32 | valdyn | pfred1: but for me that would be "mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf;update-alternatives --config glx" and i can do that myself |
| 05:09.39 | pfred1 | theoretically you could shutdown X and do it but I don't know |
| 05:09.42 | valdyn | pfred1: but for me that would be "mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.bak;update-alternatives --config glx" and i can do that myself |
| 05:10.47 | pfred1 | so update-alternatives --config glx will swap out the Nvidia GL? |
| 05:11.06 | valdyn | pfred1: glx, yes |
| 05:11.44 | pfred1 | valdyn the command i am seeing on the net is different |
| 05:11.54 | pfred1 | update-alternatives --set gl_conf |
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| 05:12.27 | valdyn | pfred1: that may be ubuntu, not debian anyway |
| 05:12.53 | pfred1 | could be it is early in my research |
| 05:13.03 | pfred1 | it is new to me |
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| 05:13.30 | TheLizardKing | what is the package name or equivilent for xandr? |
| 05:13.55 | themill | , file bin/xrandr |
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| 05:13.58 | judd | Search for bin/xrandr in wheezy/amd64: x11-xserver-utils: usr/bin/xrandr |
| 05:14.23 | TheLizardKing | my friend mounted his monitor upside down, i'm trying to invert the screen for him. |
| 05:14.51 | TheLizardKing | i'm not too sure he is running debian either but i'm pretty sure. i know it is at least debian based. how can i tell? |
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| 05:15.49 | pfred1 | lsb_release |
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| 05:16.43 | pfred1 | that's weird |
| 05:16.49 | pfred1 | No LSB modules are available. |
| 05:16.50 | TheLizardKing | lsb_release -a says debian wheezy 7.8 |
| 05:17.06 | pfred1 | ah -a |
| 05:17.32 | valdyn | pfred1: rebooting is only required in the other direction |
| 05:17.54 | pfred1 | valdyn I've been reading that Nvidia will leave X in a funny state |
| 05:18.20 | pfred1 | I know you can go the other way without rebooting |
| 05:18.24 | valdyn | pfred1: of course you need to restart X |
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| 05:18.58 | valdyn | pfred1: you cannot unload the nouveau driver when its on your console |
| 05:19.08 | valdyn | pfred1: of its not, then you can |
| 05:19.17 | valdyn | pfred1: *if* its not, then you can |
| 05:19.35 | pfred1 | what does Nvidia use on the console? |
| 05:20.06 | hiexpo | !nvidia |
| 05:20.06 | dpkg | Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia dkms>, <nvidia legacy>; installing this directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
| 05:20.10 | TheLizardKing | uname -a says 3.2.0-4 followed by 3.2.65 which numbers are the kernel version? is this the latest kernel? |
| 05:20.10 | valdyn | pfred1: nvidia uses their own driver system, so nvidia only covers X and can be unloaded after X is stopped |
| 05:20.38 | pfred1 | valdyn something must drive the console though |
| 05:20.50 | valdyn | pfred1: vga, yes |
| 05:21.02 | valdyn | pfred1: thats not a splitt out driver |
| 05:21.17 | valdyn | pfred1: you can treat it as if theres no driver at all |
| 05:21.28 | pfred1 | I don't think i can |
| 05:21.36 | valdyn | pfred1: i *know* you can |
| 05:22.26 | pfred1 | so I can leave X and simply unload the nvidia driver? |
| 05:22.42 | valdyn | pfred1: if leave = quit, yes |
| 05:23.00 | pfred1 | exit shutdown however you'd like to put it |
| 05:23.41 | valdyn | pfred1: thats for me: systemctl stop gdm3;modprobe -r nvidia;modprobe nouveau; systemctl start gdm3 |
| 05:24.08 | pfred1 | that wouldn't work |
| 05:24.20 | TheLizardKing | judd: when i try apt-cache search bin/xandr as root it returns no output |
| 05:24.28 | valdyn | pfred1: if you say so.. |
| 05:24.46 | pfred1 | what i say has nothing to do with it you have the wrong libraries installed |
| 05:25.18 | valdyn | pfred1: yea, i have both installed actually |
| 05:25.26 | pfred1 | you need to run nvidia to use nvidia-glx |
| 05:25.56 | valdyn | pfred1: how to switch glx was covered earlier.. |
| 05:27.20 | pfred1 | oh I do have xserver-xorg-video-nouveau installed |
| 05:27.40 | TheLizardKing | what is the simplest way to invert the screen from a shell? |
| 05:27.41 | valdyn | pfred1: that and libgl1-mesa-glx |
| 05:27.58 | valdyn | TheLizardKing: you mean console or X? |
| 05:28.25 | valdyn | TheLizardKing: what does "invert" mean? who would want that? maybe you mean turn 90 degrees? |
| 05:28.27 | TheLizardKing | valdyn: console via ssh. my friend mounted his desktop monitor upside down to save space so the screen is upside down |
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| 05:30.59 | valdyn | TheLizardKing: change user to your friend in X, run: "DISPLAY=:0 xrandr blah" for X. |
| 05:31.05 | valdyn | TheLizardKing: for the console i cant help you. |
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| 05:32.36 | pfred1 | TheLizardKing just tell your friend that he's seeing the world as it really is |
| 05:32.37 | shay_shay | TheLizardKing: try putting this in your GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX= fbcon=rotate:2 |
| 05:33.25 | pfred1 | our eyes see the world upside down naturally but our brais flip it for us |
| 05:33.27 | shay_shay | https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/fb/fbcon.txt |
| 05:33.31 | pfred1 | brains even |
| 05:34.06 | TheLizardKing | pfred1: it wouldn't be far from the truth. shay_shay you mean before linux ever boots when im at the grub menu? or the conf file? |
| 05:34.31 | shay_shay | TheLizardKing: you can try adding it to the linux command line from the grub editor |
| 05:34.34 | pfred1 | they did an experiment where they had people wear glasses that flipped things and inside of a couple of days they'd flip the world right side up |
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| 05:34.42 | shay_shay | just to test it, then if it works add it to the crub.conf |
| 05:34.46 | shay_shay | grub.conf |
| 05:35.07 | TheLizardKing | shay_shay so just press e or something idr off the top of my head at the grub menu? im thinking of the right thing right? |
| 05:35.23 | shay_shay | yeah |
| 05:35.32 | TheLizardKing | okay |
| 05:35.57 | pfred1 | TheLizardKing take a magnifying glass and focus an image onto a piece of paper with it it'll be upside down that lens is just like your eye your eye only has one lens in it |
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| 05:39.23 | TheLizardKing | my bad. forgot which machine i was running IRC on.. stoner moment ;p |
| 05:40.12 | TheLizardKing | its all upside down :D... can you send me that line for the grub edit again? |
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| 05:40.43 | tikifreek | Where are Terminal profiles stored? |
| 05:40.45 | pfred1 | x11-xserver-utils: /usr/bin/xrandr |
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| 05:41.04 | pfred1 | whoops |
| 05:41.21 | TheLizardKing | i think it was shay_shay who told me? |
| 05:41.56 | shay_shay | TheLizardKing: fbcon=rotate:2 |
| 05:42.08 | shay_shay | goes in the "linux" line in grub |
| 05:42.37 | shay_shay | example linux line: |
| 05:42.40 | shay_shay | linux/boot/vmlinuz-3.16.0-4-amd64 root=UUID=6cd3a316-2de7-4159-88c1-2dc1b87ae1c6 ro quiet |
| 05:43.43 | shay_shay | so you can add fbcon=rotate anywhere after the /boot/vmlinuz part, at the end if you like |
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| 05:44.36 | TheLizardKing | shay_shay the first line says setparams, Debian GNU/Linux, with Linux 3.2.0-4-amd64, just added it to the end of that line? |
| 05:44.49 | shay_shay | no |
| 05:44.55 | shay_shay | find the line which begins with linux |
| 05:45.15 | shay_shay | like the example i posted |
| 05:46.19 | TheLizardKing | i see it now. was hard to read upside down. so add it to the end of that line? |
| 05:46.50 | TheLizardKing | its like 11 lines down.. right after echo loading linux |
| 05:48.00 | shay_shay | yeah |
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| 05:50.57 | TheLizardKing | shay_shay: how do i save it, ctrl + w? |
| 05:51.13 | shay_shay | press f10 to boot with it |
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| 05:52.15 | TheLizardKing | shay_shay: ha ha right on. it half way worked. as it was booting it showed everything that it was loading and it was right side up forwards and readable but when i come to the login screen it is upside down again |
| 05:53.04 | shay_shay | yeah |
| 05:53.11 | shay_shay | because you need two things |
| 05:53.29 | TheLizardKing | what is the 2nd thing i missed? |
| 05:53.30 | shay_shay | the xrandr thing that valdyn mentioned in conjunction with this tweak |
| 05:53.45 | TheLizardKing | i see. when i try xandr -q it says command not found |
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| 05:54.07 | TheLizardKing | when i try apt-cache search xandr ... it shows 3 packages and the descriptions do not look like they would have anything to do with xandr |
| 05:54.33 | shay_shay | it may depend on your driver, |
| 05:55.14 | pfred1 | TheLizardKing /usr/bin/xrandr is in x11-xserver-utils |
| 05:55.21 | TheLizardKing | shay_shay: that insmod stuff in my grub edit.. there was something there for video, that was the driver wasnt it? |
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| 05:56.18 | shay_shay | TheLizardKing: if you're using open source drivers then it should be fine, i think i read that nvidia has a different way of handling it |
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| 05:56.51 | fling | I'm getting this error -> Apr 22 05:55:32 skypopen pulseaudio[28302]: [pulseaudio] main.c: System mode refused for non-root user. Only starting the D-Bus server lookup service. |
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| 05:57.04 | fling | When trying to call with freeswitch via skype over pulse. |
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| 05:57.29 | fling | How to fix this? I don't want to run everything as root. I have added freeswitch and skype users to pulse-access group |
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| 05:59.07 | shay_shay | TheLizardKing: ctrl+alt+f1 to another VT and then apt-get install x11-xserver-utils |
| 05:59.31 | TheLizardKing | looks like hes got an nvideo quadro fx3500 .. how do i tell if he is using the open source or proprietary drivers? |
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| 05:59.46 | shay_shay | lsmod | grep nvidia |
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| 06:00.37 | pfred1 | TheLizardKing glxinfo | grep vendor |
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| 06:01.07 | pfred1 | this is what the binary driver looks like server glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation |
| 06:01.17 | shay_shay | pfred1 you're really making yourself useless by having me on ignore |
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| 06:03.28 | pfred1 | TheLizardKing i haven't seen what the open source one looks like in a while but I think it is different |
| 06:03.43 | TheLizardKing | shay_shay: it says that x11-server-utils then mentions 3 packages are no longer needed to use apt-get auto-remove to remove them then lsmod | grep nvideo returns no output and glxinfo says error opening display (since im accessing it through secure shell) |
| 06:04.12 | shay_shay | TheLizardKing: then hes on open drivers |
| 06:04.30 | shay_shay | so the generic instructions should work, google it |
| 06:04.43 | shay_shay | (how to flip the display for X) |
| 06:05.18 | pfred1 | TheLizardKing xhost can give you privledges on the remote system |
| 06:05.19 | TheLizardKing | i have googled it but the part i am stuck at is with xandr .. when i try to use xandr it says that the command is not found |
| 06:05.36 | buu | xrandr |
| 06:05.45 | shay_shay | TheLizardKing: xrandr is in the package x11-server-utils |
| 06:06.17 | shay_shay | when it asks you if you're sure you want to install it, hit enter. :) |
| 06:07.04 | pfred1 | it does help to spell commands correctly |
| 06:07.06 | TheLizardKing | you mean x11-xserver-utils right? or x11-server-utils? |
| 06:07.17 | shay_shay | the first one, sorry |
| 06:07.23 | shay_shay | i should go to bed now |
| 06:07.35 | shay_shay | but in my defense i did say it right the first time i told you |
| 06:08.03 | TheLizardKing | its okay shay_shay very apprecitive of your time, no need in beating your self up over a typo :) |
| 06:08.34 | shay_shay | waiit |
| 06:08.36 | TheLizardKing | i already have the package installed though and when i try to run xandr -q it says that xandr command not found |
| 06:08.45 | shay_shay | then it might be in sbin |
| 06:09.03 | TheLizardKing | sbin on my system or the repos? sorry i am still learning all of this stuff |
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| 06:10.00 | shay_shay | shawn@eeyore:~$ which xrandr |
| 06:10.03 | shay_shay | /usr/bin/xrandr |
| 06:10.05 | shay_shay | nope |
| 06:10.14 | buu | has anyone mentioned that the command isn't actually named xandr yet |
| 06:10.17 | TheLizardKing | i see something in sbin called xtables-multi but not xandr |
| 06:10.22 | shay_shay | buu: haha |
| 06:10.35 | TheLizardKing | lemme check /usr/bin |
| 06:10.53 | pfred1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:10.59 | buu | Because he's said xandr roughly 12 times now |
| 06:11.02 | shay_shay | TheLizardKing: xrandr x r a n d r |
| 06:11.23 | shay_shay | lmao |
| 06:11.24 | pfred1 | buu they're X random |
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| 06:12.22 | TheLizardKing | ahhhhhhhh |
| 06:12.33 | shay_shay | i always said it "ex er and er" |
| 06:12.37 | TheLizardKing | my eyes have been deceiving me all this time |
| 06:12.44 | shay_shay | not "ex rand er" |
| 06:13.07 | buu | Yeah I had to learn it as ex ARE and ARE |
| 06:13.38 | TheLizardKing | i'm so sorry for putting you guys through so much hell over my typo |
| 06:13.58 | pfred1 | no trouble here |
| 06:13.59 | buu | Its almost much fun as creat; |
| 06:14.23 | pfred1 | where'd the M got in umount? |
| 06:14.31 | pfred1 | the N even |
| 06:14.33 | TheLizardKing | now it says can't open display which makes sense because i don't have x11 forwarding or an x server on this other machine either... is the only way to physically login and load up the upside down and backwards desktop environment? |
| 06:15.07 | buu | TheLizardKing: export DISPLAY=:0 |
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| 06:15.37 | shay_shay | also you can prefix any command with DISPLAY=:0 and it will happen one time |
| 06:15.48 | shay_shay | export will make it happen for the rest of the session |
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| 06:17.10 | TheLizardKing | buu: neat. thank you so much. why did it work? what did it do? |
| 06:17.19 | shay_shay | it specified the x server |
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| 06:18.13 | shay_shay | you could have a x server running on windows, e.g. from cgywin, and it would usually have an address of 10: or something like that |
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| 06:18.33 | buu | TheLizardKing: It sets an environment variable named DISPLAY telling all future commands which display on the local x server to contact |
| 06:19.20 | TheLizardKing | i see |
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| 06:25.02 | TrFaSu | Does apt-get remove even dependencies or just configuration files with installed package? |
| 06:25.34 | shay_shay | I put this in my .bash_profile: [[ -n $SSH_CONNECTION ]] && export DISPLAY=:0" |
| 06:25.55 | shay_shay | or some variation of it depending on what i usually do on that box |
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| 06:27.42 | nkuttler | TrFaSu: apt-get remove doesn't remove config files, and by default no deps either i think |
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| 06:28.19 | TrFaSu | oh sorry it was apt-get purge.. does this? |
| 06:28.58 | nkuttler | purging removes config files |
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| 06:29.18 | TrFaSu | nkuttler: but no harm to dependencies |
| 06:30.10 | nkuttler | TrFaSu: it depends what you mean by that. of course packages that depend ON the package you're removing will be remove as well |
| 06:30.28 | nkuttler | TrFaSu: but that's not a remove vs purge thing, purging doesn't change the package selection |
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| 06:32.28 | TheLizardKing | i am trying to figure out how to use pastebinit ... i try something like xrandr -q | pastebinit and it says can't open display :0 and you are trying to send an empty document. exiting... |
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| 06:32.49 | TheLizardKing | the can't open display 0: is because i got confused and ran it from a different xterm session.. i have several open |
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| 06:33.27 | shay_shay | TheLizardKing: | pastebinit only collects stdout |
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| 06:33.43 | shay_shay | to collect stderr you need to redirect it to sdtout |
| 06:33.45 | TheLizardKing | shay_shay: i see what about >>? |
| 06:33.53 | shay_shay | >> appends a file |
| 06:34.10 | shay_shay | 2>&1 redirects stderr to stdout |
| 06:34.32 | shay_shay | thats why pastebinit said you were giving it an empty file because you were |
| 06:35.28 | TheLizardKing | shay_shay: so how do i properly redirect it? |
| 06:35.28 | TrFaSu | nkuttler ; ok i m gonna remove this package apt-get purge python-geoip and it depends on numpy ,matplotlib ,Basemap, GeoIp. now what |
| 06:35.59 | TheLizardKing | also what is happening when i cat /dev/urandom? |
| 06:36.55 | shay_shay | TheLizardKing: well it all depends on if the error you want us to see is bypassing the pipe to pastebinit.. in that example you gave me it was but that wasnt an error we need to see either :P |
| 06:37.57 | TheLizardKing | reads up on stderr and stdout |
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| 06:40.43 | shay_shay | http://www.tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/html/sect_05_02.html |
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| 06:43.46 | TheLizardKing | shay_shay: is there a way i can yank that url from irssi and open it in links or something? |
| 06:44.23 | shay_shay | i dont use irssi, but if i did i would have it running in a tmux pane |
| 06:44.25 | Terminus- | TheLizardKing: you're not using X? |
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| 06:44.39 | shay_shay | then i could copy and paste between different panes |
| 06:44.59 | Terminus- | i just highlight stuff in gnome terminal and hit ctrl+shift+c. |
| 06:45.02 | TheLizardKing | Terminus-: nope. not yet. screens upside down so im trying to fix it via ssh since everything is readable in ssh session |
| 06:46.14 | TheLizardKing | maybe if i become i a bat ill figure it out |
| 06:47.59 | TheLizardKing | i think xrandr --output LVDS1 --rotate inverted |
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| 06:48.11 | shay_shay | tmux is the easiest way i can think of, it has a copy and paste mode. irssi has some scripts you can install which log mentioned urls to a file which you can browse from another pane/VT... but since you have to install it you might as well install the right tool for the job |
| 06:48.33 | TheLizardKing | shay_shay: don't i need screen too for that? |
| 06:49.09 | Terminus- | yeah, i keep on forgetting tmux has a paste buffer since i tend to just run my terminals under X. |
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| 06:50.20 | TheLizardKing | i usually do. my hard drive actually crashed, so i do not have a working computer of my own atm. getting one soon though hopefully. pray to the hardware gods |
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| 06:52.21 | TheLizardKing | mechanical failure.. stupid actuator arm. i think that's what its called. im thinking about getting a solid state drive if the hardware gods will grant it |
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| 06:53.11 | shay_shay | do it. once you go SSD you'll never go back |
| 06:53.18 | aypea[1] | this is true |
| 06:53.28 | aypea[1] | spinning disks just become a data store. |
| 06:53.59 | shay_shay | yeah mechanicals are the new tape |
| 06:55.02 | TheLizardKing | the only downside of ssd is if the file system ever becomes corrupt or blocks of memory go bad you lose larger chunks of data.. but when the disk fails all together mechanically and you need a particle free environment to repair it is kind of a flaw in engineering and inginuity .. how ever you spell it |
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| 06:57.06 | shay_shay | just realize most of the things you hear bad about SSDs is either not true anymore or an outright myth |
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| 06:57.23 | pfred1 | TheLizardKing I haven't had a hard drive fail on me in almost 2 decades now |
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| 06:57.50 | pfred1 | I retire them before they die |
| 06:57.58 | TheLizardKing | what can you do when ssd fails? i actually have a good friend whos sd card went bad. he can't get any devices to read it and i can't remember if he said it or not but i do not believe it shows up in fdisk -l either |
| 06:58.40 | shay_shay | you're supposed to keep your important data in two places |
| 06:58.41 | TheLizardKing | there is some weird storage medium i seen a while back that looks like some kind of sticker with circuits on it or something. kind of transparent looking. can survive a million years or something crazy like that |
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| 06:58.54 | shay_shay | on two different devices and on two different file systems |
| 06:59.02 | TheLizardKing | and can hold an astronomical amount of data |
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| 06:59.45 | shay_shay | googles "sticker with circuits or something" |
| 06:59.58 | pfred1 | a million years is a long time we have clay tablets we can read that are thousands of years old now |
| 07:00.00 | TheLizardKing | shay_shay: im not sure what file system he was using .. he has an android, doesn't it format those things in fat32? |
| 07:00.25 | TheLizardKing | it kind of looks like a qr code too sort of |
| 07:01.01 | TheLizardKing | i would walk to my friends windows pc but i shutters at the fact. ill look it up from my phone |
| 07:01.05 | shay_shay | TheLizardKing: sdcards are not like ssds |
| 07:01.21 | TheLizardKing | shay_shay: i see. so its not like flash memory? |
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| 07:02.30 | shay_shay | sdcards are similar |
| 07:02.46 | shay_shay | but they dont have firmware on them which makes them durable like ssds do |
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| 07:04.00 | themill | (and sometimes they do and sometimes that is exploitable!) |
| 07:05.17 | TheLizardKing | shay_shay: it looked kind of like a qr code too but kind of not. who knows if it was even really true. you see all these pictures on the internet with words on them about stuff like smartdust and google throat tattoos.. who knows |
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| 07:06.22 | TheLizardKing | everything you read on the internet isn't true - abraham lincoln i did find some interesting queries when i searched for million year hard disk though |
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| 07:07.48 | TheLizardKing | i tell you what really trips me out is the neurochips. they can somewhat read minds with those things. i wonder if that means one day we would need encryption for our brains. |
| 07:07.52 | raidensnake | hey does anyone know of a way of installing a clean version of debian on the raspberry pi 2? |
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| 07:08.53 | raidensnake | being as it's now using an ARM7 chip it should work with the official debian release |
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| 07:09.49 | shay_shay | raidensnake: yes I did it already... with this: http://sjoerd.luon.net/posts/2015/02/debian-jessie-on-rpi2/ |
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| 07:11.34 | raidensnake | I want to run this from a net install though |
| 07:11.54 | raidensnake | the only issue is the keyring used causes the installer to break. |
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| 07:12.16 | raidensnake | where it can't verify the signature |
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| 07:14.20 | engblom | Is there a way to configure apt-get to automatically install the *-dev package for all packages getting installed? |
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| 07:15.44 | engblom | I find it frustrating to have to manually install all the *-dev packages. Manually installing them also causes problem when upgrading as extra dependencies might not get deleted. |
| 07:15.46 | themill | engblom: it's highly unlikely you really want to do that |
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| 07:15.57 | shay_shay | raidensnake: netinstall? if you want to DIY your best bet is to make a empty file with dd, partition it with parted, kpartx to map the partitions to loop devices, format them, debootstrap debian to root and git clone the boot firmware to /boot |
| 07:16.20 | engblom | themill: Why would I not. Slackware does install all headers by default. The headers are so small and takes very little space on disk |
| 07:17.03 | TheLizardKing | shay_shay: how long have you been learning all of this? |
| 07:17.19 | raidensnake | the netinstall does most of the work |
| 07:17.33 | raidensnake | it's just getting the right keyring to load |
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| 07:18.18 | shay_shay | raidensnake: if thats true then why dont you see any debian based distros using D-i ? |
| 07:18.27 | shay_shay | for rpi* |
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| 07:20.48 | raidensnake | the only way to install a clean netboot is to use the debian pi netinstaller |
| 07:21.00 | raidensnake | the keyring signature is the problem |
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| 07:21.17 | shay_shay | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:21.23 | raidensnake | on debootstrap I can see the built in command as --keyring=/usr/share/keyrings/raspbian-archive-keyring |
| 07:21.51 | shay_shay | there will be other gotchas to that script |
| 07:21.58 | raidensnake | the netinstaller allows me to override it |
| 07:22.13 | shay_shay | yeah but its only been tested with that distro |
| 07:22.19 | raidensnake | I know why it won't download the distrto |
| 07:22.22 | shay_shay | you cant simply drop in another distro |
| 07:22.29 | raidensnake | it needs the debian keyring instead |
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| 07:23.31 | raidensnake | also the netinstall downloads the kernel from another repo built in |
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| 07:26.17 | shay_shay | you mean this? https://github.com/debian-pi/raspbian-ua-netinst/blob/master/scripts/etc/init.d/rcS#L572 |
| 07:26.35 | mozafar | hi, in my debian 7.5 host, i'm getting errors with apt-get update: http://paste.debian.net/168210/ , any clue? |
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| 07:29.39 | jonthn | hello |
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| 07:30.16 | raidensnake | yes |
| 07:30.29 | raidensnake | the line where it mentions the keyring |
| 07:30.31 | jonthn | does someone know if this bug (https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=774775) is going to be fixed for the Jessie release |
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| 07:31.58 | shay_shay | raidensnake: you'll run into other problems, ultimately it will be easier to go through the process interactively then to try to get that script to work.. if you get it to work i will eat one of my socks |
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| 07:34.12 | shay_shay | i've done this a few dozen times, at work we've been working on some pi related projects and I've been tasked with putting together customized sdcard images |
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| 07:44.58 | TheLizardKing | buu: how come when i try export DISPLAY=:0 from a different terminal session.. it does not work? |
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| 07:46.11 | TheLizardKing | i think it is confused on which number is the xserver.. how do i see which it is? |
| 07:46.23 | TheLizardKing | i lost the original session somewhere |
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| 07:52.23 | TheLizardKing | hells yeah.. i fixed it |
| 07:52.43 | TheLizardKing | thank you shay_shay and buu and who ever else |
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| 07:54.08 | shay_shay | now reboot and see if it stuck? |
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| 07:56.11 | TheLizardKing | i am about to after this software updater is finished doing its thing |
| 07:56.23 | Latrocinius | hello, i need help installing the codecs so i can watch mp4 in parole |
| 07:56.33 | klys | is there a way to recover the keyboard after all three lock lights are lit? I have ssh and vnc sessions. |
| 07:57.31 | TheLizardKing | alt ctrl f2 doesn't work klys? |
| 07:57.37 | buu | klys: Uh, what did you do to the keyboard? |
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| 07:57.55 | TheLizardKing | alt ctrl f7 to get back to this screen |
| 07:57.58 | klys | I killed directvnc |
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| 07:58.26 | buu | You mean the physical keyboard plugged into the machine? Is it ps2 or usb? How are you testing it? |
| 07:58.27 | klys | it looks like my other (usb) keyboard is working though |
| 07:58.41 | TheLizardKing | what does dmesg say |
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| 07:58.56 | Otyugh | hey. Gotta a little problem, gparted is unable to read the partition of a media, and it does not give me any error :( |
| 07:59.05 | klys | dmesg doesn't say anything since boot |
| 07:59.06 | Latrocinius | parole doesnt play mp4 (wheezy) what codecs do i need and how do i install them? |
| 07:59.12 | buu | Otyugh: What does it say then? |
| 07:59.14 | TheLizardKing | Otyugh: what file system is it? |
| 07:59.18 | buu | Latrocinius: try vlc |
| 07:59.22 | klys | I loaded the ntfs module? |
| 07:59.42 | Otyugh | "dos" containing fat and ext3 |
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| 07:59.57 | buu | Otyugh: so use fdisk? |
| 08:00.03 | buu | Also I'm pretty sure parole can in fact play mp4 files. |
| 08:00.07 | TheLizardKing | Otyugh: have you checked the disk for errors? |
| 08:00.19 | buu | Otyugh: gparted is for gpt partitions |
| 08:00.44 | TheLizardKing | isn't gparted just a graphical version of parted? |
| 08:00.57 | Otyugh | TheLizardKing: I did not. How to ? Fsck ? |
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| 08:01.10 | buu | TheLizardKing: yeah |
| 08:01.25 | TheLizardKing | Otyugh: depends on the file system of the partition.. ill look up how to check ext3 and dos for you |
| 08:01.28 | Otyugh | fdisk is able to list down the partitions |
| 08:01.32 | Latrocinius | buu: will i not still need codecs? |
| 08:01.37 | buu | Latrocinius: you won't |
| 08:01.45 | buu | Otyugh: Please, what exactly do you see? What is the error? |
| 08:01.55 | klys | I just had to remove the ps2 keyboard from its socket and reattach |
| 08:01.57 | TheLizardKing | Latrocinius: pretty much everything i try to watch in vlc works |
| 08:02.27 | buu | Otyugh: What are you trying to do? What does it do? What do you expect it to do? |
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| 08:02.46 | TheLizardKing | there is some ascii plugin to watch movies from a shell. anyone know what i'm talking about? |
| 08:02.51 | Otyugh | buu: I'm trying to resise a partition |
| 08:02.56 | TheLizardKing | vlc plugin i think |
| 08:03.11 | Latrocinius | i would have preferred to install the codecs and play things in parole though |
| 08:03.22 | buu | Latrocinius: There are no codecs |
| 08:03.29 | buu | Otyugh: Ok, and? |
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| 08:03.54 | TheLizardKing | i get you. you want your preferred media player to work for you. ill dig around for you |
| 08:03.56 | Otyugh | cfdisk had proposal for me to maximize the size of the last partition but it couldn't because I was booted on it. So I pluged it in another PC, but now I don't see the option anymore >.> |
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| 08:04.20 | Latrocinius | TheLizardKing: thanks |
| 08:04.34 | buu | Otyugh: What is the current partition table? |
| 08:04.46 | buu | Latrocinius: What is the error you get when you try to play the file? |
| 08:04.50 | buu | Are you sure the file is valid? |
| 08:04.57 | buu | What does the 'file' command say about it? |
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| 08:05.35 | Otyugh | 16M (fat) - 4 G (ext) - 4 G (void) -> I want to extand ext to full the void part :o |
| 08:05.44 | Latrocinius | buu: you do not have a decoder installed... |
| 08:06.00 | TheLizardKing | Otyugh: you should pastebin us fdisk -l |
| 08:06.29 | Latrocinius | buu: to handle this file, you might install the necessary plugins |
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| 08:07.02 | buu | Dunno, parole sucks |
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| 08:07.10 | Otyugh | http://paste.debian.net/168220/ |
| 08:07.23 | Otyugh | oops |
| 08:07.26 | buu | oh no, french! |
| 08:07.30 | Otyugh | I'll switch language if you wish |
| 08:07.47 | Latrocinius | i cant do copy paste with this xubuntu debian thing |
| 08:07.55 | buu | Otyugh: I can read it =] |
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| 08:08.57 | buu | Otyugh: ok, try this: sudo parted /dev/sde |
| 08:09.08 | buu | Otyugh: print should show you two partitions |
| 08:09.21 | Otyugh | I shows me one single partition |
| 08:09.27 | buu | oh? |
| 08:09.30 | TheLizardKing | it looks like he is already logged into a root shell though? |
| 08:09.35 | buu | TheLizardKing: force of habit. |
| 08:09.40 | Otyugh | start 0, end 8053M fat32. The first :s |
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| 08:10.06 | buu | Otyugh: what is in the ext partition? |
| 08:10.10 | buu | I mean data wise |
| 08:10.13 | Otyugh | filesystem |
| 08:10.21 | buu | Otyugh: what does ls /dev/sde* show? |
| 08:10.36 | Otyugh | /dev/sde1 /dev/sde2 |
| 08:10.51 | buu | odd |
| 08:10.58 | Otyugh | yup |
| 08:11.07 | Otyugh | parted is somehow failing |
| 08:11.31 | buu | Otyugh: Ok, lets do it with fdisk then |
| 08:11.36 | buu | fdisk /dev/sde etc |
| 08:11.41 | TheLizardKing | say /dev/sde2 is ext3 you can check and repair errors using fdisk -t ext3 /dev/sda3 i believe. might want to let a couple others chime in. i dont want to ruin your disk |
| 08:11.45 | Latrocinius | buu: collect media info - yes or no? |
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| 08:12.00 | buu | Latrocinius: I like no |
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| 08:12.20 | TheLizardKing | fsck** |
| 08:12.23 | TheLizardKing | not fdisk.. |
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| 08:12.37 | TheLizardKing | fsck -t ext3 /dev/sde2 |
| 08:12.54 | buu | Otyugh: So here's what we're going to do. We're going to delete the existing partition and then create a new one starting from where the old one started and ending at the end of the disk |
| 08:12.56 | TheLizardKing | im high as a fruit fly in outer space with a jumping spider and its 4 am |
| 08:13.09 | buu | This is not the world's safest operation |
| 08:13.10 | jasabella | where is /etc/fstab on live systems? |
| 08:13.15 | Otyugh | yup |
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| 08:13.16 | jasabella | (persistence) |
| 08:13.22 | Otyugh | Total backup needed indeed |
| 08:13.34 | buu | Otyugh: Can you just back it up and repartition the disk? |
| 08:13.39 | buu | It'd be simpler |
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| 08:14.07 | buu | jasabella: uh, its usually at /etc/fstab |
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| 08:14.17 | buu | What exactly are you trying to find? |
| 08:14.20 | jasabella | it isnt there?! |
| 08:14.24 | TheLizardKing | buu: shouldn't he check the disk for errors first since gparted wasn't reading it right before? |
| 08:14.32 | jasabella | buu... well i want to change the mount point of a partition |
| 08:14.36 | buu | TheLizardKing: fsck is a file system error, not a partition checker |
| 08:14.40 | buu | These are separate. |
| 08:14.47 | TheLizardKing | i see |
| 08:14.48 | Otyugh | fsck says everything is clean |
| 08:14.55 | buu | The kernel is reading two separate partitions since it created the devices sde1 and sde2 |
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| 08:15.01 | TheLizardKing | buu: what does smartctl check? |
| 08:15.02 | jasabella | /dev/sdb5 is currently mounted in a very awkward dir :) |
| 08:15.12 | jasabella | disk health presumably |
| 08:15.18 | buu | TheLizardKing: hardware errors |
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| 08:15.27 | buu | assuming a bunch of things |
| 08:15.51 | jasabella | it's in /media/Debian wheezy 20150114-04:22 :[ |
| 08:16.01 | jasabella | too lazy to autocomplete type that :) |
| 08:16.09 | buu | what |
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| 08:16.31 | jasabella | that's where my /dev/sdb5 is mounted to and i want to change it and i cant find /etc/fstab |
| 08:16.34 | jasabella | :) |
| 08:16.35 | jasabella | that's the gist of it |
| 08:16.55 | buu | jasabella: what does ls /etc/fs* show? |
| 08:17.20 | buu | Not that disks are often mentioned in the fstab file |
| 08:17.39 | Latrocinius | buu: vlc works |
| 08:17.43 | TheLizardKing | what if you made a sym link or something? |
| 08:17.43 | jasabella | fstab and fstab.d |
| 08:17.45 | jasabella | nothing in those files |
| 08:17.50 | buu | uh |
| 08:18.00 | jasabella | oh um, fstab.d has live in it but it doesnt have the partition i'm worried about |
| 08:18.00 | buu | fstab.d is a directory |
| 08:18.02 | jasabella | i add my own? |
| 08:18.10 | buu | jasabella: Is this a cd/dvd? |
| 08:18.13 | jasabella | noope |
| 08:18.18 | jasabella | a partition on my live usb |
| 08:18.22 | buu | oh |
| 08:18.30 | buu | uh |
| 08:18.38 | jasabella | i made a spare 1gb partition that will be used to store things like wireless firmware :) |
| 08:18.51 | jasabella | and it's mounted awkwardly |
| 08:18.52 | buu | jasabella: Do you want to do this temporarily or permanently? |
| 08:18.55 | jasabella | permanent |
| 08:19.11 | buu | So you have a livecd install on a usbkey with two partitions? |
| 08:19.18 | jasabella | yup |
| 08:19.41 | jasabella | well it has 3 techically |
| 08:20.07 | jasabella | the boot is separate at sd |
| 08:20.12 | jasabella | sdb1 |
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| 08:20.40 | buu | huh. |
| 08:20.52 | buu | I actually don't know enough about how livecd style installs work |
| 08:21.11 | jasabella | sdb1 is the parittion i wrote from the live image, i made 1gb to store things in case the live system messes up, sdb6 is rest of stick :) |
| 08:21.12 | buu | Does the livecd partition have a fstab file? |
| 08:21.17 | jasabella | nope |
| 08:21.35 | TheLizardKing | jasabella: is it a persistant install? |
| 08:21.57 | jasabella | nope |
| 08:22.09 | jasabella | is fstab autogenerated or something? |
| 08:22.10 | TheLizardKing | then it may be tricky to pull off |
| 08:22.29 | jasabella | i learn something new :D |
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| 08:22.58 | castarco | Hello |
| 08:23.37 | jasabella | hi |
| 08:23.47 | castarco | I've been searching what are the "defs.make" files that I can fins in some applicatio directories inside /usr/share, like /usr/share/octave/debian/defs.make |
| 08:23.57 | castarco | but Google doesn't help me |
| 08:24.12 | castarco | "find", not "fins" ^^U |
| 08:24.42 | buu | castarco: sounds like a makefile |
| 08:24.51 | TheLizardKing | castarco: what are you trying to compile? |
| 08:25.08 | TheLizardKing | probably need to use gcc i think? |
| 08:25.17 | buu | jasabella: So does the livecd partition have an etc dir? Is it in the compressed part? |
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| 08:27.59 | TheLizardKing | castarco: ##C ##C++ and #bash will help you a lot |
| 08:28.47 | castarco | I'm not trying to compile anything, it's an already installed file. I'm trying to understand Octave's internals, and discerning what is strictly needed to make it run, and what are minor Debian "tricks" to better integrate the application into the system |
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| 08:30.03 | castarco | the file is pretty symple, they define two environment variables, but I don't know it this file is loaded by Octave or if is something that Debian machinery uses on its own |
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| 08:30.46 | TheLizardKing | i don't know enough about programming to answer that for you |
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| 08:30.49 | buu | castarco: Delete it and find out! |
| 08:30.55 | TheLizardKing | lol |
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| 08:31.22 | buu | Isn't octave a programming language? |
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| 08:31.44 | castarco | is a programming language and also the runtime to work with the language |
| 08:31.45 | buu | I'd guess that the defs.make file is related to octave compiling programs. |
| 08:31.59 | buu | Or whatever it does to source code. |
| 08:32.14 | buu | castarco: Why do you ask? |
| 08:32.15 | TheLizardKing | google says it is a high level interpreted language |
| 08:32.19 | cherami | Hey, im on my first debian install now, jessie xfce, I had to apt-get install glib2 to run something Uni gave me, I just noticed now that https://packages.debian.org/source/jessie/glib2.0 doesnt have the 300MB of Mono stuff that apt-get pullsed in with glib2 so is there a way to make apt remove things it doesnt need? |
| 08:32.26 | cherami | cause i dont want mono on my system lol |
| 08:32.48 | TheLizardKing | i don't want mono on my system either. have you read richard stallmans rant about mono? |
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| 08:33.05 | buu | cherami: apt-get will only install dependencies that are required for a particular package. |
| 08:33.29 | cherami | ok |
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| 08:33.58 | castarco | buu: I'm working on a proposal to improve the Octave's packages managemen system |
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| 08:34.16 | TheLizardKing | as long as im up to date am i protected against the shell shock vulnerability? |
| 08:34.22 | buu | Did you install glib or libglib2.0-cil ? |
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| 08:35.10 | TheLizardKing | there is a website with some code to run to check if you're vulnerable to shellshock but i don't trust it |
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| 08:35.17 | castarco | but I'm making a little bit of research to understand why things are like they are right now in order to not introduce new problems and not try to solve already solver problems |
| 08:35.33 | buu | https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2014-6271 |
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| 08:35.39 | c0m0 | hello, how can i genarate a preseed from an installed debian system? |
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| 08:36.39 | buu | c0m0: What is a pressed? |
| 08:37.01 | vroomfondel | is there a difference between kernel headers and Linux headers? I was under the impression that its the same thing |
| 08:37.14 | c0m0 | buu: sorry that was a typo, preseed |
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| 08:37.50 | buu | vroomfondel: My system doesn't show any packages named kernel-headers ? |
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| 08:38.32 | TheLizardKing | vroomfondel: i think there is but i am not sure. seems like i remember seeing something like that on gentoo |
| 08:38.40 | vroomfondel | dpkg claims that it doesn't find the "kernel headers". I did apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) before |
| 08:38.40 | dpkg | vroomfondel: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
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| 08:39.19 | vroomfondel | "dpkg" claims that it doesn't find the "kernel headers". I did apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) before |
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| 08:39.46 | buu | vroomfondel: Uh, that's because the package is named linux-headers.. |
| 08:39.51 | buu | I'm a little confused here |
| 08:40.17 | TheLizardKing | im still learning all this shit and its always changing. we will never stop learning and unlearning |
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| 08:40.36 | buu | c0m0: You might try /usr/bin/debconf-get-selections |
| 08:40.49 | TheLizardKing | and it keeps getting faster and faster - trips me out |
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| 08:42.54 | TheLizardKing | ray kurzweil said that one day it will become so astonishingly quick that the only way to keep up with the change of pace is to intergrate our biological bodies with the technologies that we've created |
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| 08:47.07 | ch077179 | Hi, I can t boot into the gui login screen anymore. I end up with a blinking cursor and no prompt. I tried http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=108667 (setting no modeset boot parameter) but had no success |
| 08:47.52 | TheLizardKing | does the splash screen for grub and all of that come up? |
| 08:47.53 | jelly | TheLizardKing: it's not getting that much faster, you're just getting older and less able to cope with change |
| 08:48.04 | TheLizardKing | perhaps |
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| 08:50.23 | Savemech | heya! guys there is a option to build answer file; to answer all questions but let me configure disk, and hostname as usual? |
| 08:50.33 | jelly | !preseed |
| 08:50.33 | dpkg | [preseed] Preseeding provides a way to set answers to questions asked during the Debian installation process, to allow for a streamlined or completely automated installation. The <install guide> provides an extensive appendix on preseeding with a full example. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed and http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394 . See also <debconf-set-selections>. |
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| 08:51.04 | Savemech | jelly, thanks! |
| 08:51.41 | jelly | Savemech: sadly I don't know if d-i can save answers in preseed format like anaconda used to do on redhat |
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| 09:03.40 | SynrGy | jelly, Savemech: hm. grep Value /var/log/installer/cdebconf/questions.dat sure seems to show me actual values i selected at install time for this system |
| 09:03.48 | SynrGy | is that helpful? |
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| 09:07.59 | SynrGy | hmm. https://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/i386/apbs03.html.en |
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| 09:09.45 | SynrGy | this makes reference to that file. you can dump from it |
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| 09:11.55 | jelly | the partition information in it looks a bit messy. I'll have to try that. |
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| 09:21.48 | Sar_aLL | hi |
| 09:22.02 | Savemech | SynrGy, y, thanks; i will take a look |
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| 09:22.56 | Sar_aLL | I'm using byobu in Debian jessie. to create a horizontal split I need to press shift + f2 but the shell returns a tilde (~). I'm using bash. does anyone have the same problem? In debian wheezy I don't have this problem |
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| 09:29.03 | doebi | is there any chance i can save a running system. when i get "fatal: open /dev/null or dup failed: No such file or directory" ? |
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| 09:30.28 | colo-work | doebi, what does `ls -l /dev/null` yield? |
| 09:30.44 | doebi | same |
| 09:30.53 | colo-work | try `mknod /dev/null c 1 3; chmod 0666 /dev/null` |
| 09:30.56 | doebi | i did sth really bad |
| 09:31.02 | colo-work | what did you do? |
| 09:31.05 | doebi | i think i cant execute a single command |
| 09:31.22 | doebi | i tried to remove a chroot env with "sudo rm -rf" |
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| 09:31.34 | colo-work | and had bind-mounted stuff in it? |
| 09:31.39 | doebi | propbably |
| 09:31.45 | doebi | i never worked with chroot before |
| 09:31.48 | colo-work | well, but you still have a shell? |
| 09:31.53 | doebi | yes |
| 09:31.55 | colo-work | outside the chroot |
| 09:32.02 | doebi | yes |
| 09:32.16 | colo-work | can you still `cd /dev/` there? |
| 09:32.17 | doebi | and this ssh session to my weechat |
| 09:32.26 | doebi | ney :/ |
| 09:32.31 | colo-work | what's the output? |
| 09:32.36 | colo-work | no such file or dir? |
| 09:32.41 | doebi | yeah |
| 09:32.44 | colo-work | ok |
| 09:32.48 | colo-work | `cd /bin` maybe? |
| 09:32.52 | doebi | i have browsers open |
| 09:33.15 | doebi | and nautilus |
| 09:33.17 | colo-work | does `echo /*` print anything? |
| 09:33.55 | SynrGy | i was under the impression udev could create everything there |
| 09:34.01 | doebi | ./bin /boot /dev /etc /home /initrd.img /initrd.img.old /lib /lib32 /lib64 /lost+found /media /mnt /opt /proc /root /run /sbin /srv /sys /tmp /usr /var /vmlinuz /vmlinuz.old |
| 09:34.01 | SynrGy | has udev crashed? |
| 09:34.25 | SynrGy | doebi: which debian release is this? |
| 09:34.29 | doebi | 8 |
| 09:34.39 | colo-work | doebi, well, that's better than nothing :) I wonder what's keeping your shell from chdir-ing top /dev/ though |
| 09:34.50 | doebi | i use zsh, if that helps |
| 09:35.07 | colo-work | doebi, can `/bin/sh` still run? |
| 09:35.14 | colo-work | in your current shell |
| 09:35.49 | doebi | oh yes :D |
| 09:35.53 | SynrGy | what's the output of 'ls -ld /dev'? |
| 09:36.07 | colo-work | doebi, now `ls -l /dev/null` |
| 09:36.32 | doebi | all i got in /dev is: hugepages mqueue pts shm |
| 09:36.40 | colo-work | ok, so you cleared out /dev/ |
| 09:36.41 | TheLizardKing | what is some vm software that is all cli? |
| 09:36.41 | colo-work | that's bad |
| 09:36.44 | colo-work | but not unfixable |
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| 09:37.14 | colo-work | doebi, run `mknod /dev/null c 1 3; chmod 0666 /dev/null` now |
| 09:37.24 | colo-work | that will restore /dev/null to what it's supposed to be |
| 09:37.31 | SynrGy | again, i thought udev could fully populate this ... |
| 09:37.31 | SynrGy | shouldn't be any static nodes there anyway |
| 09:37.45 | colo-work | SynrG, yes, and a reboot MIGHT still fix it |
| 09:37.53 | colo-work | however, all udev does is creating inodes in a tmpfs |
| 09:37.57 | SynrGy | doebi: how did it suffer this damage? i'd be concerned about a possible repeat of the issue if you don't know how |
| 09:37.58 | doebi | colo-work: meh i cant. no root |
| 09:38.01 | doebi | and sudo wont work |
| 09:38.10 | colo-work | doebi, well, that's bad |
| 09:38.17 | SynrGy | well, /dev/pts is blown away |
| 09:38.19 | colo-work | at least for the current state of the system |
| 09:38.23 | doebi | sudo: no tty present and no askpass program specified |
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| 09:38.45 | colo-work | maybe `su` still works? I wouldn't know off-hand |
| 09:38.53 | SynrGy | i would still need a pty |
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| 09:39.06 | SynrGy | it* |
| 09:39.08 | colo-work | chances are your /dev/ comes back OK after a forced reboot of the box |
| 09:39.13 | SynrGy | yup |
| 09:39.15 | colo-work | if your chroot removal didn't screw up anything else |
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| 09:40.47 | doebi | hmm a friend just told me the same. |
| 09:41.12 | doebi | will do some backup and give it a try |
| 09:41.33 | SynrGy | but before reboot, make sure you've figured out why it ended up this way and that there won't be a recurrence of the problem (e.g. running some buggy init script that toasts /dev) |
| 09:41.53 | doebi | SynrGy: nah i already know what i did wrong |
| 09:41.53 | SynrGy | otherwise you might need to perform some rescue from alternate boot media before it can reboot safely |
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| 09:42.03 | doebi | but thanks for warning |
| 09:42.11 | doebi | colo-work: and thank you |
| 09:43.21 | colo-work | yw |
| 09:43.41 | SynrGy | k |
| 09:43.41 | SynrGy | doebi: so a one-time-only thing? |
| 09:43.41 | SynrGy | finger fumble? |
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| 09:45.08 | doebi | wohoo \o/ |
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| 09:45.14 | doebi | i haz /dev/* |
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| 09:49.48 | opt1 | where can i adjust how long deb stores dynamic mac addresses |
| 09:50.14 | TheLizardKing | shay_shay: what was that script for irssi again? |
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| 09:52.26 | paulwa | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:52.45 | paulwa | is that saying i need to install 1.10.1-dfsg-5=deb7u3 ? |
| 09:52.53 | paulwa | or thats installed but need the 7u1 version? |
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| 09:55.02 | jelly | paulwa: the latter but the underlying cause is you're most likely missing a repo in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 09:55.18 | jelly | !wheezy sources.list |
| 09:55.18 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 7 "Wheezy" has three lines: "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main" "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <wheezy/updates> <wheezy-updates> <mirrors> <apt-spy> and "man sources.list". |
| 09:55.52 | paulwa | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian wheezy main contrib non-free |
| 09:55.52 | paulwa | deb http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates main contrib non-free |
| 09:55.52 | paulwa | deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security wheezy/updates main |
| 09:55.58 | paulwa | is what i have |
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| 09:57.31 | jelly | paulwa: the last one is completely wrong but that doesn't matter. Just do an "apt-get update" and try again. |
| 09:57.31 | jelly | if it still fails, |
| 09:57.32 | jelly | !bat |
| 09:57.32 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 09:57.32 | jelly | dpkg: ping |
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| 10:01.05 | paulwa | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:01.17 | paulwa | is the apt-cache policy of krb5-multide |
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| 10:01.18 | paulwa | v |
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| 10:03.08 | l3archos | is there any switch or similar in "apt" for telling my system NOT to restart the service, when I am "apt-get upgrade" or "apt-get install apache" as example ? |
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| 10:05.58 | colo-work | l3archos, no, unfortunately not. |
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| 10:08.22 | anddam | I got these lines in my syslog https://gist.github.com/anddam/8babf221e3fc475ad07d I don't know if they are suspicious |
| 10:08.32 | anddam | I didn't even know I had named running actually |
| 10:08.50 | anddam | the server is just hosting httpd while the DNS is handled by the ISP service |
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| 10:09.04 | anddam | well to me those are suspicious |
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| 10:12.09 | petn-randall | anddam: You're running named on that machine. |
| 10:13.27 | petn-randall | anddam: Even if you're not using it, you're running a DNS server, and that is having problems resolving requests for 120.196.165.40. |
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| 10:17.07 | anddam | petn-randall: yes I figured, |
| 10:17.19 | anddam | the surprise actually came from the fact that named is running |
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| 10:19.35 | petn-randall | anddam: Running a publicly available DNS server is bad, because it can be abused for for traffic amplification attacks. |
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| 10:20.47 | blackflow | petn-randall: not if you configure it right |
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| 10:21.05 | anddam | I don't have the expertise to handle it for sure |
| 10:21.11 | jelly | petn-randall: is there reason to assume it's publically accessible? |
| 10:21.27 | anddam | jelly: well these chinamobile requests are quite odd to me |
| 10:22.15 | jelly | anddam: your log does not show where the requests are coming from. It might be localhost. |
| 10:23.13 | anddam | yes, there are no process that I can think of that would do that |
| 10:23.31 | anddam | so if they originated from localhost it's likely to be a compromised machine |
| 10:23.34 | anddam | how would I check that? |
| 10:23.37 | jelly | anddam: httpd configured to log host names in access.log |
| 10:24.33 | jelly | (if said httpd is accessible from the internets) |
| 10:25.00 | anddam | yes, I see named also in tomcat7 and rsync init scripts |
| 10:25.25 | jelly | o.o |
| 10:25.27 | anddam | actually $named, I don't know how those are resolved |
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| 10:25.41 | anddam | this is using sysvinit |
| 10:25.50 | anddam | jelly: why the surprise? |
| 10:26.22 | anddam | they have Should-Start: $named |
| 10:26.35 | jelly | oh, you mean a LSB dependency |
| 10:27.00 | anddam | yes |
| 10:27.28 | anddam | I figure that $named gets resolved to one of the alternatives present, in my case bind9 |
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| 10:28.20 | jelly | bind is a somewhat weird choice for a local (caching) recursor |
| 10:28.59 | paulwa | jelly: any ideas on what to do next~? |
| 10:29.05 | blackflow | I wouldn't say weird, maybe overkill |
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| 10:29.16 | anddam | jelly: I didn't pick it |
| 10:29.37 | anddam | not on purpose, at least |
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| 10:30.49 | jelly | paulwa: yes. provide your install command and its complete output; provide output of "apt-cache policy krb5-multidev libkrb5-3"; provide output of "apt-cache policy" |
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| 10:30.58 | anddam | nvm |
| 10:31.01 | anddam | tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:53 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 32357/named |
| 10:31.05 | anddam | I think I'm fine |
| 10:31.13 | jelly | that looks like localhost to me! |
| 10:31.25 | anddam | yep, and it's only listening to localhost |
| 10:31.35 | anddam | so it's not running public |
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| 10:33.57 | rlndvt | I was wondering if someone could help me with some experimental repositories, I want to get the latest version of libreoffice working so I want to add that to my sources, without going fully experimental... |
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| 10:34.17 | anddam | so maybe some Chinese client connected to apache2 from mobile network and it queried the address |
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| 10:34.21 | anddam | is that a likely explanation? |
| 10:34.58 | rlndvt | what sould I add to my sources? |
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| 10:36.20 | paulwa | jelly: http://pastebin.com/JKbB532V |
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| 10:37.27 | jelly | paulwa: do an "apt-get -f install" then, as it suggests |
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| 10:38.37 | paulwa | tried that before jelly and get http://pastebin.com/KNATkVbB |
| 10:38.45 | jelly | anddam: that's certainly a possibility (check HostnameLookups in apache config) |
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| 10:39.36 | jelly | paulwa: oh, this system comes pre-broken. |
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| 10:40.02 | paulwa | huh |
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| 10:40.26 | jelly | paulwa: is there a /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6*2.13-38+deb7u8*_i386.deb ? |
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| 10:41.08 | jelly | paulwa: if there is, the easiest way out might be to install it with dpkg -i |
| 10:41.29 | paulwa | nope |
| 10:41.35 | rlndvt | I assume I can't just add http://ppa.launchpad.net/libreoffice/ppa/ubuntu/dists/devel/ to my sources? |
| 10:42.11 | jelly | paulwa: does apt-get install libc6:i386 work? |
| 10:42.18 | jelly | (probably not) |
| 10:42.40 | paulwa | E: Unable to locate package libc6 |
| 10:43.04 | jelly | paulwa: dpkg --print-foreign-architectures |
| 10:43.32 | paulwa | comes back with nothing |
| 10:44.04 | jelly | paulwa: okay. That's the problem. Somehow you have a 32bit arch package installed but no 32bit arch enabled. |
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| 10:44.59 | jelly | paulwa: "dpkg --add-architecture i386" then "apt-get update" again then "apt-get -f install" again |
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| 10:47.02 | paulwa | jelly: :D your the man all fixed! thanks! :D |
| 10:47.08 | jelly | cheers |
| 10:47.18 | themill | !win jelly |
| 10:47.18 | dpkg | Congratulations, jelly! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 10:48.07 | jelly | how does that even |
| 10:48.29 | blackflow | just sell them on the black market. |
| 10:48.52 | jelly | nah, I mean libc6:i386 installed, but i386 not enabled at all |
| 10:48.54 | paulwa | does any one even use aol any more? |
| 10:49.01 | paulwa | lol |
| 10:49.21 | jelly | dpkg doesn't even let you disable an architecture if there are some of its packages installed |
| 10:49.21 | dpkg | jelly: that's too long |
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| 10:49.32 | jelly | dpkg: that's what she said |
| 10:49.32 | dpkg | jelly: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 10:49.49 | jelly | that _would_ be excessive |
| 10:51.17 | GunnerWolf | noob question: How does one install a package that comes as a .tar.gz? (namely flash player) |
| 10:51.42 | Phil-Work | extract it: tar -zxvf something.tar.gz |
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| 10:51.51 | Phil-Work | then usually read the README, or similar file that comes bundled with it |
| 10:51.53 | Lope | where are the colors for debian defined? |
| 10:51.56 | Lope | terminal |
| 10:52.46 | jelly | GunnerWolf: standalone flash player, or the plugin? |
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| 10:53.01 | GunnerWolf | jelly: the plugin |
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| 10:53.24 | jelly | GunnerWolf: using the flashplugin-nonfree package to download and put it in the right place is probably the saner option for Debian |
| 10:53.35 | jelly | !tell GunnerWolf about non-free sources |
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| 10:53.39 | jelly | !tell GunnerWolf about flashplugin-nonfree |
| 10:54.02 | GunnerWolf | I already have non-free sources enabled, stupid wifi adapter needed it |
| 10:54.08 | jelly | then just install it |
| 10:54.28 | Toofle | sometimes you are kinda forced into non-free source... :( |
| 10:54.40 | GunnerWolf | thanks, i didn't realise flash plugin was in the packages |
| 10:54.48 | SynrGy | it isn't ... |
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| 10:54.52 | SynrGy | an installer for it is :) |
| 10:54.56 | jelly | it's not, that package will download the same tar.gz :-) |
| 10:55.05 | SynrGy | the license doesn't allow us to redistribute the plugin |
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| 10:55.27 | SynrGy | btw, for this reason the installer isn't actually in non-free. it's in contrib |
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| 10:55.47 | SynrGy | (i.e. it doesn't contain any non-free software; it just depends on some) |
| 10:55.49 | scoofy_ | hi. does anyone use guake? if yes, any idea why it sometimes freezes up? |
| 10:55.54 | scoofy_ | (i.e. i have to kill -9 it) |
| 10:56.32 | scoofy_ | happens on various debian based distros, so far it happens on all distros |
| 10:57.11 | Otyugh | hey. I had a filesysteme of 4Go I wanted to expand to 8GO. fdisk see like everything is fine. When using it thought, it appears like a 4Go storage... :s |
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| 10:57.40 | paulwa | OpenSSL 1.0.1e 11 Feb 2013 |
| 10:57.52 | paulwa | on wheezy, is that fine or under heartbleed? |
| 10:57.53 | SynrGy | scoofy_: maybe look in upstream's issue system |
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| 10:58.02 | SynrGy | https://github.com/Guake/guake/issues |
| 10:58.04 | jelly | Otyugh: if the filesystem on a partition? on a LVM logical volume? |
| 10:58.12 | SynrGy | scoofy_: i didn't see anything relevant at http://bugs.debian.org/guake |
| 10:58.18 | Otyugh | jelly: partition |
| 10:58.33 | themill | dpkg: tell paulwa about security backports |
| 10:58.36 | SynrGy | scoofy_: if you find a relevant issue, please file a debian bug (e.g. with reportbug) and xref the upstream issue |
| 10:58.37 | jelly | Otyugh: did you resize the partition to 8GB or more? |
| 10:59.31 | jelly | Otyugh: if this is your boot disk, you'll need to reboot. Linux kernel can't update its internal copy of a partition table for a disk that's in use. |
| 10:59.57 | julius_ | i want to DROP connections to port 80 to my webserver, iptables save output: -A INPUT -p tcp -m tcp --dport 80 -j DROP but i can still reach that machines http port with my browser...what is wrong? |
| 11:00.18 | Otyugh | well, I rebooted and nothing changed |
| 11:00.31 | scoofy_ | SynrGy: thanks for checking. any idea, how could i figure out what's going on? sometimes guake just freezes, doesn't redraw the screen, and there's nothing i can do other than, kill the process. happened on standard debian, raspbian and kali as well |
| 11:00.34 | Otyugh | I guess it's because the space added it wasn't formated |
| 11:00.55 | jelly | Otyugh: after a reboot, you'll be able to just run resize2fs /dev/thatpartition |
| 11:01.26 | Otyugh | jelly: thats what I thoguht but seems I got a problem here |
| 11:01.30 | jelly | Otyugh: this resizes the filesystem structures to fit the new partition size |
| 11:01.44 | jelly | Otyugh: problem? |
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| 11:01.48 | jelly | !localized errors |
| 11:01.48 | dpkg | Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. «LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install» |
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| 11:02.02 | Otyugh | "couldn't find valid filesystem surblock" |
| 11:02.07 | Otyugh | *superblock |
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| 11:03.29 | jelly | Otyugh: which filesystem type is this? |
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| 11:04.32 | jelly | Otyugh: put the outputs of "sfdisk -d /dev/sda" (use the right disk instead of sda), "lsblk" and "blkid" into a pastebin |
| 11:04.39 | Otyugh | jelly: nevermind... I just... Omg. I just tried to resize an external HDD instead of my own sd card... |
| 11:04.41 | SynrGy | scoofy_: the guake developers would be better at assisting you with that. try to find an upstream issue, and if you can't, file one. |
| 11:04.43 | Otyugh | Ho my god é_è |
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| 11:04.57 | scoofy_ | dpkg: writing a variable definition before a command, sets the environment variable only for running that single command? |
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| 11:04.58 | dpkg | scoofy_: You are person #2 to send an unparseable request |
| 11:05.00 | Otyugh | Nope, things works actually, on the right device. |
| 11:05.11 | Otyugh | sorry jelly >.> |
| 11:05.15 | jelly | scoofy_: dpkg is a bot. Somewhat dumb. |
| 11:05.19 | SynrGy | scoofy_: if you can find one, see if there's advice in the issue. if not, ask in a followup on that issue to see if you can get advice for troubleshooting it. |
| 11:05.22 | scoofy_ | jelly: eh. ok :) |
| 11:05.39 | themill | you made it go away! |
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| 11:05.48 | jelly | !slap themill |
| 11:05.48 | dpkg | strikes a resounding *THWAP* across themill's face |
| 11:05.53 | scoofy_ | SynrGy: what does 'upstream' mean here? sorry i'm a bit of a noob regarding debian bugs & reporting |
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| 11:06.46 | SynrGy | scoofy_: otoh, all the distros you mentioned are debian derivs. it's possible the issue only exists in debian. |
| 11:06.59 | scoofy_ | i see. |
| 11:07.04 | SynrGy | scoofy_: if you don't want the hassle, just file a debian bug |
| 11:07.11 | SynrGy | let the debian maintainer decide what to do with it |
| 11:07.13 | scoofy_ | okay. or i'll try to contact guake devs |
| 11:07.18 | SynrGy | mention it fails also on two other derivs |
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| 11:08.05 | SynrGy | scoofy_: yes. either way, they will be experts in their own software and might be able to provide you with instructions for collecting info about the failure. |
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| 11:08.28 | scoofy_ | SynrGy: okay, thanks for the suggestions |
| 11:08.37 | SynrGy | scoofy_: because of the possibility that it's a debian-only issue, the normal thing to do here is just file a debian bug. |
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| 11:09.08 | scoofy_ | sounds reasonable. so far i experienced that issue in all debian-based distros that i use. but i don't use any non-debian based system, i cannot tell if it happens on other systems as well |
| 11:09.28 | tcurdt | let's say I have the nginx packet ... how can I find out what configure command was used on the official package? |
| 11:09.44 | SynrGy | scoofy_: right, so to determine if it is or not, you could check in their issue system which i already linked. or google for users of other distros experiencing the same issue |
| 11:10.00 | SynrGy | scoofy_: how much effort you put into this is up to you |
| 11:10.26 | scoofy_ | SynrGy: thanks. i'll use the link you provided. |
| 11:10.31 | SynrGy | good luck |
| 11:10.42 | scoofy_ | well, it's a rare bug, but happens enough (once in a while) to make it annoying |
| 11:10.50 | scoofy_ | SynrGy: thank you1 |
| 11:10.54 | SynrGy | np |
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| 11:12.04 | jelly | tcurdt: http://sources.debian.net/src/nginx/1.6.2-5/debian/rules/ |
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| 11:12.46 | SynrGy | scoofy_: another source of info, if you're inspired, is the changelog of more recent releases of guake. you might be able to find a fix for the issue mentioned there. and finally, don't forget to search closed issues too, for the same reason. |
| 11:13.45 | SynrGy | (though that last advice maybe only as a last resort after turning up nothing through other avenues) |
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| 11:15.11 | jelly | tcurdt: if you don't need the exact invocation, you can also look at the descriptions in "apt-cache show nginx-extras nginx nginx-light" |
| 11:15.29 | GunnerWolf | It occurs to me that I might wanna update my kernel... |
| 11:15.32 | jelly | tcurdt: 3 different builds |
| 11:15.43 | SynrGy | scoofy_: navigating multiple upstream bug systems is taxing for an 'average' user. so consider yourself 'advanced' if you survive the experience in good humour ;) |
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| 11:16.01 | tcurdt | jelly: awesome exactly what I was looking for! |
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| 11:22.20 | scoofy_ | SynrGy: thanks, i'll check the changelog. |
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| 11:33.23 | Risk_LTU | Hello, I buyed new Intel NUC mini computer. What should I expect when I will try to install Debian from usb flash device? I read a year old article about boot problem after instalation. Is the problem exists now? |
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| 11:34.25 | scoofy_ | Risk_LTU: i guess you'll find out if you try |
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| 11:37.28 | ch077179 | Hi, I m installing from a live system and I simply want to overwrite the existing root partition. How do I do that? |
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| 11:42.07 | jelly | Risk_LTU: since it's a new model, it's hard to say whether it might have any new issues |
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| 11:57.49 | cirdan | good morning. any chance I can get some help unraveling a dkms mystery? I have 2 systems, one has the zfs modules inside the initrd, and the other does not, no matter what I try. I've tried reinstalling the kernel, the zfs-dkms packages, update-initrd. can't figure it out |
| 11:58.07 | cirdan | they exist in /lib/modules/3.16.0-4-amd64/updates/dkms |
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| 12:03.18 | cirdan | ah stupid ls /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/zfs was not +x |
| 12:04.49 | cirdan | is there a way to check to make sure the package has good permissions? |
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| 12:10.08 | julius_ | i want to DROP connections to port 80 to my webserver, iptables save output: -A INPUT -p tcp -m tcp --dport 80 -j DROP but i can still reach that machines http port with my browser...what is wrong? |
| 12:10.54 | cirdan | julius_: might wanna try #netfilter |
| 12:11.14 | julius_ | ah yes |
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| 12:12.23 | cirdan | sorry anything I know about iptables I forget long before I need to use it again :-) |
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| 12:28.20 | JyZyXEL | what is the user "ftp" for that is created during the installation of proftpd? |
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| 12:30.42 | blackflow | JyZyXEL: if I'm not mistaken, for default anonymous uploads |
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| 12:31.28 | JyZyXEL | oh ok |
| 12:31.42 | JyZyXEL | i see the anonymous portion commented out in proftpd.conf |
| 12:32.14 | darxmurf | how does it works when you have path with spaces in RSNAPSHOT conf ? |
| 12:32.17 | darxmurf | version 1.3.1 |
| 12:32.54 | blackflow | darxmurf: tried escaping them with \ ? Eg, "path\ with\ spaces" |
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| 12:33.03 | darxmurf | yep :/ |
| 12:33.15 | darxmurf | in source AND des |
| 12:33.17 | darxmurf | dest |
| 12:33.30 | darxmurf | tried to put that between "" too |
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| 12:33.53 | abrotman | tried quoting the whole thing? |
| 12:34.49 | darxmurf | backup "/source/path with spaces" "/my destination/" |
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| 12:35.51 | blackflow | darxmurf: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=609443 |
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| 12:37.34 | blackflow | darxmurf: use ? instead of space: http://rsnapshot.org/faq.html |
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| 12:38.18 | blackflow | oh wait that's for excludes... eh, dunno, I don't do spaces in rsnapshot paths :) |
| 12:38.33 | darxmurf | yep, tried too :) |
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| 12:42.02 | cronix | hi all, my KVM guest (debian) on my kvm host (debian) is not updating the network/run/ifstate file with the eth0 interface, it was a clean install of wheezy, updated to jessie and still the same problem, i cant use post-up commands in the interface config because of this problem and cant find any solution (im searching around the web and several mailing lists for about 4 hours now) anyone had this issue |
| 12:42.04 | cronix | before and can help me? |
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| 12:46.10 | darxmurf | huh, this space problem is weird |
| 12:46.24 | darxmurf | I have spaces in the source folder name, not the destination |
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| 12:48.48 | anddam | jelly: thanks |
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| 12:53.54 | enlightified | Anyone using cuda toolkit here |
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| 12:54.51 | enlightified | Does anyone have cuda 7 installed, somehow, magically, maybe? |
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| 13:04.08 | karlpinc | enlightified: To get help you'll need to tell us your problem. |
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| 13:04.59 | karlpinc | cronix: Perhaps check the bug tracking system. If it's severely broken then there's still time to get it fixed in jessie. (possibly) |
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| 13:05.54 | karlpinc | cronix: Use "reportbug" to report a new bug. |
| 13:06.07 | cronix | karlpinc: i have not found ANYTHING about this issue on the net, and it is not jessie related, it happens with wheezy aswell |
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| 13:07.23 | uxbal | hi, back. I wrote about the desktop env. selection while installing. any answers since i was here? |
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| 13:08.05 | enlightified | karlpinc: I've been using cuda 6.0 on jessie, I tried out cuda 7.0 on Ubuntu recently and it was nice (to say the least). Now I want to go to cuda 7.0 on Debian. There is no package for cuda 7 on Debian not even on experimental. this is because cuda 7 is pretty new. |
| 13:09.04 | cronix | karlpinc: and a collegue from work told me he dont has this or similar issues with debian as kvm host + guest |
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| 13:09.36 | raidensnake | any idea how I can get the right keyring for debootstrap? |
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| 13:09.56 | enlightified | it's risky business to try and install stuff from the cuda package on nvidia's website, there is no package for debian, I could try to use the ubuntu shell run file thingy. I wanted to know if anyone has done it before. |
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| 13:13.16 | billetdoux | wwjr |
| 13:13.22 | billetdoux | !wwjr |
| 13:13.22 | dpkg | Debian 8 "Jessie" will release on 2015-04-25; ask me about <wheezy->jessie>. There's plenty of bugs still to squash so ask me about <how-can-i-help>, <jessie freeze>, <jessie pool 1>. See https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2015/03/msg00016.html |
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| 13:13.31 | billetdoux | :p |
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| 13:16.18 | cronix | !reportbug |
| 13:16.19 | dpkg | reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/, or see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s04#problem-report for some general information about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting. Also ask me about <report-bugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/reportbug http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
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| 13:18.37 | TobiasWeiss | My webserver is showing abnormal high loads, up to 86. I analyzed my logfiles to get an idea, what was going on. With the help of sa logs I was able to identify when I had high loads in past 7 days but I do not know what happend. I did not found anything in apache's log, neither in secure or messages etc. I want to implement a feature , that lo |
| 13:18.37 | TobiasWeiss | gs information about running processes etc from certian cpu load on. Is there something out there or would I have to write a script ? |
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| 13:26.05 | thms | I got an OVH server, it's RAID without LVM. / (root partition) is 20gb, and /home is 3Tb. I want the exact opposite. Is there anything special related to raid or anything I should be careful about before beginning ? |
| 13:26.10 | thms | (Hi everyone.) |
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| 13:30.19 | darxmurf | dirty solution for my rsnapshot issue... add plenty of excludes... |
| 13:30.34 | darxmurf | and backup the rest of the folder |
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| 13:34.10 | fraff | TobiasWeiss: too many connexions ? php script use too many ressources ? |
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| 13:37.45 | Sky_Symbol | hi guys, i'd like to install a php extenssion, for php 5.4.35+deb7u2 without internet, how can i find a deb package for php extenssions on the internet to install offline on the remote machine? |
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| 13:38.39 | TobiasWeiss | fraff: apache logs do not indicate anything like that |
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| 13:45.55 | TobiasWeiss | Sky_Symbol: use apt-get -d download on machine connected to the internet and transfer the files to usb |
| 13:47.13 | TobiasWeiss | Sky_Symbol: maybe easier: install on machine connected to the internet, and tar dir /var/cache/apt/archive and untar on the offline machine |
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| 13:48.06 | fps | hi, what's the canonical way to not remove config files upon removing a package? |
| 13:48.34 | TobiasWeiss | fps: apt-get remove --purge if I am not mistaken |
| 13:48.54 | fps | install them via postinst in the package instead of including them in the tree in etc/ directly? |
| 13:49.04 | themill | fps: to not remove config files is the default action |
| 13:49.06 | fps | TobiasWeiss: it's about packaging and NOT removing them :) |
| 13:49.28 | fps | TobiasWeiss: but thanks for the tip |
| 13:49.36 | TobiasWeiss | fps. sorry :) |
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| 13:49.46 | fps | np at all |
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| 13:52.22 | fps | mm ok |
| 13:52.24 | fps | https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-maintainerscripts.html |
| 13:52.27 | fps | that mentions conffiles |
| 13:52.29 | fps | let's seee |
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| 13:54.10 | themill | fps: that is precisely the difference between purge and remove. If you make your configuration files conffiles then dpkg does this for you with no further effort on your part; if you don't make the conffiles and copy them in during postinst, make sure you only delete them in postrm purge and not postrm remove (and also make sure that local changes are preserved on upgrades...) |
| 13:55.43 | fps | themill: ye.. the conffiles file is just a list of files? |
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| 13:56.45 | themill | You'd normally be letting debhelper manage these details |
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| 13:58.09 | robert124 | hi. can i do a chmod 740 on all directories in /var/lib/mysql, so that my backup user can access the files, or is this in some way problematic? |
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| 13:59.04 | themill | robert124: copies of the files won't be a useful backup unless you stop mysqld first |
| 13:59.16 | fps | themill: we use cpack and cmake to create the packages :) |
| 13:59.30 | themill | that's nothing to be proud of |
| 13:59.30 | fps | themill: so we sadly have to manually care about them.. but it's rather painless |
| 13:59.42 | fps | hehe |
| 13:59.56 | fps | i'm stating a very unpopular opinion probably |
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| 14:00.23 | robert124 | themill, thanks. |
| 14:00.30 | fps | but i tried quite a few ways to make debian packages avoiding the original way.. the reason being that while the documenation is complete |
| 14:00.33 | fps | it's not very good |
| 14:00.41 | robert124 | so no quick rsnapshot solution without extra script. |
| 14:00.55 | themill | fps: Like lots of things you're making a trade off: if you want a good package, you build the package the right way. |
| 14:01.04 | fps | themill: right |
| 14:01.44 | fps | themill: actually, but i remembered too late. i created source packages before.. the right way (tm) and i guess that would in the end have been the most painless |
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| 14:02.23 | fps | themill: but right now we're stuck with this way :) i am open to changing the process to the correct way (tm) again when we have a little more air to breathe |
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| 14:02.44 | themill | robert124: yeah, but it's easy enough to use backup_script |
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| 14:03.30 | kevin___zut | hello guys |
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| 14:04.23 | robert124 | themill, thanks for the advice. i will do that. |
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| 14:29.45 | shay_shay | TheLizardKing: kvm for vm software, tmux for itssi |
| 14:29.48 | shay_shay | irssi |
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| 14:31.24 | thms | Can anyone take a look at this: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=2L0JnUTH |
| 14:31.39 | thms | I was asked to resize partition, but wasn't told it was a server with RAID |
| 14:32.00 | thms | so I can't use fdisk. Basically / is 20gb and /home 3Tb .. I need to reverse this. |
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| 14:37.27 | stackfault | Hi there! I have a running Debian Wheezy and during an upgrade the machine rebooted. I completed the upgrade process after using 'dpkg --configure -a' but now I am stuck with a 'Reading package list... 0%'. I am now running 'apt-check -f' but it's been running for 24 hours without much success. Any toughts? |
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| 14:47.27 | t3ngu | stackfault: if you launch it with strace? |
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| 14:48.01 | thms | How can I know if I'm raid0 or raid1 ? |
| 14:48.10 | thms | I know my server has raid, but don't know if it's 0 or 1 |
| 14:48.32 | t3ngu | thms: cat /proc/mdstat |
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| 14:50.15 | stackfault | t3ngu: It is a very minimal install and strace is not installed, I could check to see what are the dependencies and fetch it from another system running the same architecture. |
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| 14:52.22 | t3ngu | stackfault: https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/strace |
| 14:52.23 | KaffeeJunky123 | Is the release of Debian 8.0 really sheduled for coming saturday? |
| 14:52.28 | t3ngu | it states the dependenciyes here. |
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| 14:52.56 | t3ngu | s/dependenciyes/dependency/g |
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| 14:54.52 | stackfault | t2ngu: nice replace string :), let me dig this up, I have justed installed it on another system, looks like I have everything I need. |
| 14:54.56 | jelly | !wwjr |
| 14:54.57 | dpkg | Debian 8 "Jessie" will release on 2015-04-25; ask me about <wheezy->jessie>. There's plenty of bugs still to squash so ask me about <how-can-i-help>, <jessie freeze>, <jessie pool 1>. See https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2015/03/msg00016.html |
| 14:55.01 | jelly | KaffeeJunky123: seems so |
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| 14:55.52 | t3ngu | stackfault: if absent leave a notice and I will see it. |
| 14:56.21 | stackfault | t3ngu: Thanks! I am on it. |
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| 14:59.06 | raidensnake | ugh |
| 14:59.27 | raidensnake | I can't resolve this release issue with this netinstaller |
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| 15:01.18 | raidensnake | anyone got any suggestions? |
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| 15:02.00 | t3ngu | in a cynic way raidensnake , i suggest you resolve your issues :) |
| 15:02.19 | c0m0 | there is any gui for debian preseed? |
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| 15:05.03 | Blink` | Hi, uhh can someone help me set up this server with debian 7 wheezy with nginx using ssh auth? |
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| 15:05.43 | ChunkzZ | when is the new debian out? |
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| 15:06.09 | KaffeeJunky123 | ChunkzZ: Saturday |
| 15:06.13 | anddam | is systemd the future of debian initing? |
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| 15:06.44 | KaffeeJunky123 | sysv-init is still available |
| 15:06.52 | anddam | I just figured that a) my debian VPS has upstart (I'm only used to initscript) and b) that exim4 is running but I never set it up |
| 15:07.13 | petn-randall | anddam: Just like it's the future of any other major distro. But sysvinit is still supported through the life cycle of jessie. |
| 15:07.13 | anddam | yes it's available but if the "official" system is going to be systemd I better start with it now |
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| 15:07.52 | KaffeeJunky123 | anddam: systemd is easy to use and supports traditional init scripts too |
| 15:08.14 | anddam | does update-rc.d act as a wrapper for any of those? |
| 15:08.35 | anddam | also, is there a way to check why exim4 is running? |
| 15:08.59 | KaffeeJunky123 | I think it's the default setup |
| 15:09.02 | jelly | probably because you installed it, or installed something that pulled it in |
| 15:09.04 | Lope3 | is it safe for me to truncate /var/log/kern.log ? I'm debugging IPTABLES with TRACE, and want to get rid of the old debug info. |
| 15:09.25 | stackfault | t3ngu: Got strace running, looks like it's reading /var/lib/dpkg/status. I also have good IO on the disk. |
| 15:09.39 | KaffeeJunky123 | anddam: you need a mailing daemon for system notifications |
| 15:09.51 | KaffeeJunky123 | and exim4 is the default iirc |
| 15:10.05 | t3ngu | stackfault: ls -lh on !$ what is its size? |
| 15:10.08 | petn-randall | Lope3: Unless you're running out of disk space, I'd just let it rotate away. |
| 15:10.23 | KaffeeJunky123 | anddam: just checked, and it's definitly the default mailing daemon |
| 15:10.28 | petn-randall | Lope3: You can truncate it, but of course you'll loose all data in it, not only the TRACE output. |
| 15:10.33 | Lope3 | petn-randall: I'm sending debug info to kern.log, and it's too full of debug info. i wnat to start fresh. |
| 15:10.42 | t3ngu | if you 'file' it, does it say: assembler source, UTF-8 Unicode text, with very long lines ? |
| 15:10.52 | Lope3 | petn-randall: I don't care about losing info in kern.log. I just don't want to crash my OS :) |
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| 15:11.03 | KaffeeJunky123 | anddam: it's used to send notifications to your user account mailboxes, eg root@PC-Name |
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| 15:11.27 | ChunkzZ | KaffeeJunky123, oh okay thanks |
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| 15:12.47 | stackfault | t3ngu: Size is 395158, it also processed the file srcpkgcache.bin and now it has a temporary pkgcache.bin file open and constantly updated |
| 15:13.12 | t3ngu | patience then :) |
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| 15:14.46 | stackfault | t3ngu: Well, I will bg that job and cross the fingers then... thanks much for your input. Have a nice one! |
| 15:15.44 | stackfault | t3ngu: at least with the strace, I may have some more feedback... A verbose option on apt-get would be great. |
| 15:17.09 | t3ngu | stackfault: if worse comes to worse, you can get a file from /var/backup an old dpkg.status.?.?? |
| 15:17.24 | t3ngu | I must leave for home as well, so Success :) |
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| 15:18.10 | stackfault | t3ngu, yes this was on my next steps list but before going there, I prefer to ask for other inputs. Thanks! |
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| 15:18.47 | t3ngu | cool stuff:) |
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| 15:20.58 | raidensnake | here's the plan. U want to in stall a base of Jessie on my raspberry pi 2 with a net installer that it can boot from |
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| 15:21.08 | raidensnake | the problem is it complains about the release info |
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| 15:21.40 | Helle | hi, I am being a bit forgetful today, how do I globally specify what version of gcc gcc should refer to, given that it doesn't seem to be in alternatives ? |
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| 15:23.23 | shay_shay | raidensnake: that's because you're using a raspbian installer to install Jessie... An unofficial raspbian installer which is not even supported by raspbian |
| 15:23.49 | shay_shay | S/jessie /Debian Jessie / |
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| 15:26.10 | shay_shay | See the section for rpi2 and the link about the blog post: https://wiki.debian.org/RaspberryPi |
| 15:26.40 | shay_shay | That image will give you a base install like what you would get from a debootstrap like raspbian-ua-netinst |
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| 15:30.21 | Eduard_Munteanu | Why does cdebootstrap mention initializing the system ID from the system RNG when setting up systemd? This is in a dual-stage, foreign debootstrap. |
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| 15:32.24 | Eduard_Munteanu | Seriously, is there any way to get a system root that's easily duplicated? |
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| 15:33.25 | Eduard_Munteanu | I would debootstrap every time, but it's *SLOW*. |
| 15:33.27 | anddam | KaffeeJunky123: I know what it is for, but I'm not sure what enabled it |
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| 15:33.38 | KaffeeJunky123 | anddam: it's enabled by default |
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| 15:34.25 | anddam | well IIRC it wasn't, it's a low end VPS so I kept services at a bare minimum |
| 15:34.45 | KaffeeJunky123 | anddam: if there are now packages depending on it you can safely remove it |
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| 15:34.59 | anddam | KaffeeJunky123: how can I check dependents on exim4? |
| 15:34.59 | KaffeeJunky123 | *nop |
| 15:35.02 | KaffeeJunky123 | *no |
| 15:35.09 | KaffeeJunky123 | You can use apt |
| 15:35.10 | anddam | yea I figured it was a "no" :-) |
| 15:35.31 | anddam | also is migrating from upstart to systemd painless? |
| 15:35.32 | Eduard_Munteanu | Though more accurately, I think it's dpkg that's really slow compared to cloning a directory. |
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| 15:36.07 | shay_shay | Anddam upstart? |
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| 15:36.27 | KaffeeJunky123 | anddam: if you've any custom setup there, I doubt it's painless |
| 15:36.42 | likecolacola | what's the name of the gnome classic network manager tool(widget)? |
| 15:36.44 | KaffeeJunky123 | and I've no clue about upstart, is it even in the debian repositories? |
| 15:36.49 | kkvzv | Hello Can I save datas as usual on a amorcable hard disk extern flag ? |
| 15:36.58 | shay_shay | Upstart is only on ubuntu |
| 15:37.05 | Eduard_Munteanu | kkvzv, "amorcable"? |
| 15:37.12 | anddam | this is from dpkg |
| 15:37.14 | anddam | ii upstart 1.6.1-1 amd64 event-based init daemon |
| 15:37.21 | likecolacola | i don't know what i did, i got wicd in openbox and i touched some gnome widget configuration and now i have internet only when using gnome classic but not when using openbox |
| 15:37.29 | kkvzv | I mean bootable |
| 15:37.31 | KaffeeJunky123 | likecolacola: nm-applet |
| 15:37.45 | likecolacola | btw, i am ussing debian testing |
| 15:37.56 | kkvzv | Eduard_Munteanu |
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| 15:38.06 | anddam | I always used sysvinit, I moved my VPS to a different datacenter and I restored the system onto a new Debian image from the provider |
| 15:38.10 | anddam | I don't know why they have upstart |
| 15:38.21 | anddam | I mean I expected either sysvinit or systemd |
| 15:38.31 | shay_shay | anddam: OK I guess Debian does have a package for it.. I'd like to see the statistics on how many people installed it |
| 15:38.41 | KaffeeJunky123 | likecolacola: wicd uses classic ifup whilst nm-applet uses the network manager |
| 15:38.41 | likecolacola | KaffeeJunky123, can i unistall it without breaking gnome? |
| 15:38.49 | likecolacola | oh |
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| 15:39.22 | Eduard_Munteanu | kkvzv, what does data have to do with the bootable flag? |
| 15:39.37 | KaffeeJunky123 | I'm quite sure that gnome depends on network manager now, but you don't have to have it manage your network devices |
| 15:40.03 | Eduard_Munteanu | kkvzv, I mean I don't understand the question, can you rephrase? |
| 15:40.07 | shay_shay | https://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=upstart anddam |
| 15:40.08 | kkvzv | I mean I ask If I can lost datas savingtheir on a bootable flag hard disk |
| 15:40.29 | likecolacola | KaffeeJunky123, okey.. brb |
| 15:40.30 | likecolacola | thanks a lot |
| 15:41.19 | NoImNotNineVolt | you can lose data on any hard disk. the bootable flag has nothing to do with data loss. |
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| 16:02.43 | errro | hi |
| 16:03.23 | errro | - FUSE library and tools |
| 16:03.26 | errro | - device mapper tools |
| 16:03.30 | errro | where do i find this? |
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| 16:04.21 | petn-randall | errro: you can search what you need with 'apt-cache search'. Check the man page for details. |
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| 16:04.47 | errro | petn-randall: please give me 'apt-get install' command |
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| 16:04.48 | petn-randall | errro: Or, if you're using a graphical package manager, just use the search function they provide. |
| 16:05.08 | errro | Couldn't find package "libdevmapper". However, the following |
| 16:05.08 | errro | packages contain "libdevmapper" in their name: libdevmapper1.02.1 libdevmapper-event1.02.1 libdevmapper-dev |
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| 16:05.11 | errro | Couldn't find package "libdevmapper". However, the following |
| 16:05.14 | errro | packages contain "libdevmapper" in their name: libdevmapper1.02.1 libdevmapper-event1.02.1 libdevmapper-dev |
| 16:05.17 | errro | what package do i need? |
| 16:05.24 | petn-randall | errro: That would be extra annoying work for me every time you need another package, right? |
| 16:05.46 | errro | what package do i need for truecrypt? |
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| 16:06.55 | petn-randall | errro: Have you tried using apt-cache yet? You can also use http://packages.debian.org to search packages in all suites of Debian. |
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| 16:12.13 | errro | petn-randall: how do i do that? |
| 16:12.26 | petn-randall | errro: Do what? |
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| 16:13.01 | petn-randall | errro: Do you need help opening the man page, or help opening the web page? |
| 16:13.51 | errro | petn-randall: i think you dont know how to help me |
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| 16:14.40 | petn-randall | errro: Then rephrase your question please. |
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| 16:23.18 | Guest6139 | how could i know the video driver in my system? |
| 16:23.52 | KaffeeJunky123 | Guest6139: lsmod |
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| 16:25.56 | Guest6139 | KaffeeJunky123: here: http://paste.debian.net/168294/ |
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| 16:27.11 | KaffeeJunky123 | Guest6139: You've the intel graphics module i915 loaded |
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| 16:28.09 | Guest6139 | KaffeeJunky123: ok,thanx a lot |
| 16:28.27 | A|an | in the gnome launcher menu...what's the command for launching a console-based application?...for instance, irrsi...simply using "irrsi" doesn't do it |
| 16:28.49 | A|an | and using /usr/bin/irris doesn't work either |
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| 16:29.26 | A|an | (is the syntax for the gnome menu launcher documented somewhere?) |
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| 16:34.10 | KaffeeJunky123 | Is anyone here using sflphone for SIP? callees recive super low piched sounds for PCMA PCMU and GSM codecs here. it used to work in wheezy |
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| 16:37.50 | petn-randall | KaffeeJunky123: "it used to work in wheezy", which release are you running now? |
| 16:37.59 | KaffeeJunky123 | petn-randall: Jessie |
| 16:38.29 | petn-randall | KaffeeJunky123: In that case you should ask in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net (notice this is another IRC network). |
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| 16:39.07 | KaffeeJunky123 | petn-randall: Jessie is due to be released next saturday |
| 16:39.38 | KaffeeJunky123 | it's also common to talk about testing issues here, especially when it's frozen |
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| 16:40.02 | petn-randall | KaffeeJunky123: I'm aware of that. You'll still find more jessie users over there than here, so it's just helping you. |
| 16:40.17 | KaffeeJunky123 | petn-randall: testing/unstable is a different thing then testing |
| 16:40.48 | petn-randall | shrugs. |
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| 16:41.04 | tty0_ | Hi there, I have jessie on a test machine which has apache and ssh services running. All is good until i let the machine idle for a while (1/2h or so) at which time stops responding. tcpdump does not show incoming packets |
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| 16:41.48 | petn-randall | !jessie |
| 16:41.48 | dpkg | The release following Debian 7 "Wheezy" is codenamed "Jessie" (the cowgirl in Toy Story 2) and will be Debian 8. It is the current <testing> distribution. Use the #debian-next channel on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net) for support. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2012/07/msg00004.html . See also <jessie alpha>, <jessie freeze>, <jessie kernel>. |
| 16:42.00 | porton | Is it dangerous to switch to new "testing" right after "jessie" becomes "stable". My intuition suggest me that "testing" may be most dangerous right after a "stable" release. Is this my scary feeling founded |
| 16:42.02 | porton | ? |
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| 16:42.49 | petn-randall | porton: Yes, you should always use codenames instead. Even 'stable' might give you unexpected results when jessie releases. |
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| 16:43.46 | porton | petn-randall:: Why unexpected? I expect that it switches to the new version. And I definitely want to update my desktop PC to the next "testing" release. I am just unsure whether to do it right now or after some pause |
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| 16:45.36 | petn-randall | porton: When I run 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade', I expect my machine just to upgrade the package to those of that release. If you have 'stable' there, you'll end up having half a dist-upgrade on Saturday. |
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| 16:46.33 | petn-randall | porton: That's just my opinion. Also on servers you don't want to dist-upgrade when you're actually planning on applying security updates. But YMMV. |
| 16:46.36 | porton | petn-randall: no, it is NOT unexpected for me. I expect upgrading to new "testing". It is expected. But is it safe? |
| 16:46.40 | zapotah | okay |
| 16:46.48 | zapotah | found the source of the crashes for certain |
| 16:46.58 | petn-randall | porton: Testing never is safe, that's why it's not stable. :) |
| 16:47.04 | zapotah | a failing drive causing io errors causing a panic |
| 16:47.41 | zapotah | is there some way to force mdadm check from grub prior to loading the system and mounting root |
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| 16:47.54 | porton | I also run a wheezy server. Should I upgrade it to jessie after it becomes stable? No I see no specific reason for this, as my server works for me as needed. Upgrade or not? |
| 16:47.56 | zapotah | to see that the other disk isnt busted |
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| 16:50.52 | porton | Nobody knows whether wheezy servers should be upgraded to jessie? |
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| 16:51.35 | Krakakanok | jessie is testing, dont use testing in production xDD |
| 16:51.53 | porton | Krakakanok: I ask because jessie soon becomes stable |
| 16:52.17 | KaffeeJunky123 | Krakakanok: jessie will be released coming saturday |
| 16:52.19 | Krakakanok | i prefer lts porton |
| 16:52.20 | blackflow | jessie is testing for, like, three more days, what do you think is going to change in those 3 days? it's been frozen since last november. I'm running Jessie in production for a few weeks now and it's fine. |
| 16:52.25 | teraflop | porton: it's up yo you upgrading to stable or not, just don't do it blindly |
| 16:52.31 | Krakakanok | good, i dont read thar |
| 16:52.33 | Krakakanok | that* |
| 16:52.38 | KaffeeJunky123 | porton: if you don't need the new packages, stick with wheezy |
| 16:52.58 | petn-randall | porton: wheezy will still get security support for at least one year after release. You have to read the release notes and decide for yourself if you can and should upgrade. |
| 16:53.02 | porton | How long wheezy will be supported? |
| 16:53.17 | petn-randall | blackflow: It's not 100% sure? If there's a blocker, it will postponed. |
| 16:53.24 | porton | petn-randall: where the release notes will be posted? |
| 16:53.26 | KaffeeJunky123 | porton: if you need to migrate, you should try on a test system before deploying it to your production server |
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| 16:54.31 | petn-randall | porton: It's linked on www.debian.org. |
| 16:54.57 | porton | petn-randall: I don't see it |
| 16:55.18 | petn-randall | porton: press ctrl+f on your web browser and type 'release' |
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| 16:55.49 | porton | petn-randall: I see Debian 7.0 release notes, not 8 |
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| 16:56.06 | blackflow | petn-randall: it's not 100%, no, but it's highly likely. Nothing is 100% sure. not even that the next wheezy update won't brick your server :) |
| 16:56.23 | Krakakanok | for servers, the best option is lts or the stable release ? |
| 16:57.04 | petn-randall | Krakakanok: Go with stable. You shouldn't install squeeze-lts unless you have applications that are only certified for squeeze. |
| 16:57.38 | petn-randall | porton: 'Release Info' |
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| 16:57.54 | Krakakanok | ok, petn-randall |
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| 16:58.54 | porton | I assume that I should upgrade to new "testing" as soon as it is released, because after a year LTS ends and I need to do it anyway. If I need to do it anyway, why not to do it now? |
| 16:59.05 | porton | *"testing" -> "stable" |
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| 17:00.16 | petn-randall | porton: Again, it's your decision. New stuff is of course less tested, but the stuff is newer. You should read the release notes for any pitfalls, have backups, and if the server is critical, probably test the upgrade on a staging server first. |
| 17:00.25 | petn-randall | So all in all the usual stuff :) |
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| 17:01.21 | petn-randall | porton: By the way, LTS doesn't end in year. It's the regular support that ends in a year. LTS will probably be anounced for squeeze and be 2-5 years on top. |
| 17:01.33 | porton | petn-randall: it is my personal VPS |
| 17:01.39 | petn-randall | * LTS will probably be announced for wheezy and be 2-5 years on top. |
| 17:02.18 | porton | And how much time usually passes between two consecutive Debian releases? |
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| 17:02.49 | blackflow | porton: the wikipedia entry on Debian has nice graphs and timelines. |
| 17:02.58 | share | hello |
| 17:03.27 | share | I have an old machine with arch linux installed but now I want to install debian over it |
| 17:03.38 | verri | splendid choice |
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| 17:04.04 | porton | share: Safe a copy of all your files. In Debian installer choose the option to format the disk |
| 17:04.05 | share | it can't boot from cdrom, usb nor floppy |
| 17:04.08 | deuterium | hi, is http://captu.lugs.ch/6784 a sign of a broken external usb hard drive? |
| 17:04.34 | share | and I dont want to remove the disk from the computer |
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| 17:04.58 | share | how can I boot debian from usb using the syslinux from arch linux installation? |
| 17:05.39 | share | I have downloaded these 3 files http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ |
| 17:06.25 | share | how do I use them |
| 17:06.34 | deuterium | share: you'd probably have to boot into arch linux, then mount the filesystem(s), then chroot into its "/" directory |
| 17:07.00 | porton | One more thought: I should upgrade my wheezy server now, because otherwise I need to "jump" two releases forward at some point of time |
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| 17:07.35 | porton | share: Is all your disk space allocated for partitions? Maybe you have a swap and can erase it? |
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| 17:08.04 | deuterium | when is the jessie release anticipated? |
| 17:08.05 | share | porton: I want to install over arch |
| 17:08.19 | share | porton: the biggest partition is home |
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| 17:08.59 | petn-randall | porton: You're not making sense. You never have to jump two releases, and it's not even supported. |
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| 17:09.42 | share | porton: can't I load the debian to ram and then install it? |
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| 17:10.15 | porton | share: surely you cannot boot from a RAM disk |
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| 17:11.22 | Sheraf | any idea why my debian doesn't find my bluetooth device? |
| 17:11.32 | share | porton: dont you understand what I want to do? |
| 17:11.34 | Sheraf | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:11.37 | Sheraf | Devices: |
| 17:11.43 | share | porton: the main problem is that I cant boot a cd or usb |
| 17:11.58 | porton | share: You need to create a new disk partition |
| 17:12.10 | share | porton: can't I do that in a usb drive? |
| 17:12.17 | share | and install it from there |
| 17:12.28 | porton | share: I think, no |
| 17:12.30 | share | syslinux + memdisk |
| 17:12.36 | blackflow | you just said you can't boot usb, so which is it? |
| 17:12.57 | share | blackflow: boot arch with syslinux, then from syslinux boot the usb |
| 17:13.00 | petn-randall | share: Sure, but if the installation fails you've hosed your system? |
| 17:13.39 | petn-randall | share: At this point it's easier/safer to just grab an old CD drive, or plug the disk into another computer to install. |
| 17:13.40 | share | or yeah boot arch and use usb with debian file |
| 17:13.45 | share | petn-randall: I cant |
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| 17:14.12 | blackflow | share: can you make another partition on the disk for debian? |
| 17:14.13 | share | petn-randall: I could put the HDD into my main computer |
| 17:14.17 | blackflow | I think there's debootstrap in Arch |
| 17:14.19 | share | blackflow: I think so |
| 17:14.21 | petn-randall | share: So what's your plan B if the installation starts overwriting data, but fails in the end? |
| 17:14.35 | blackflow | share: I guess you can isntall debian from arch onto that partition with debootstrap |
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| 17:15.28 | petn-randall | Only if you're not booting from the HDD, though. You can't rewrite the partition table of a disk where the root partition resides on. |
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| 17:19.14 | blackflow | petn-randall: you don't have to, you can debootstrap into a temporary partition at the end, reboot into that and work from there |
| 17:19.53 | blackflow | the only problem is, if you don't have rescue capabilities (rebooting into a live/rescue env with all the necessary tools) it's easy to break something |
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| 17:23.17 | share | I don't know what to do |
| 17:23.44 | share | I thought I could load something to memory using syslinux + memdisk |
| 17:23.49 | share | and then install some files to the disk |
| 17:24.00 | share | boot it and complete the installation using wireless |
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| 17:26.40 | share | help? |
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| 17:34.15 | verri | why don't deboostrap from your current arch distro? |
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| 17:36.04 | Adnn | Hi. Does anyone know how I can specify an action when the lid is closed, using laptop-mode tools ? |
| 17:36.24 | kevinux___zut | hey guys. Somebody to answer before i install my Debian please? |
| 17:36.41 | Adnn | what was your question |
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| 17:37.52 | kevinux___zut | Jessie will be here soon, normally saturday. Do i need to install the stable release, wheezy, or i can install jessie now, because it's frozen. ( sorry for my english i'm french) |
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| 17:38.48 | Adnn | Tu peux installer Wheezy et faire la mise à jour vers Jessie après. |
| 17:39.40 | share | je ne sais pas français |
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| 17:40.08 | kevinux___zut | Adnn: ça ne va pas être embètant avec le passage à systemD? |
| 17:41.04 | share | The majority of Linux based CD images will also fail to work with MEMDISK ISO emulation. Linux distributions require kernel and initrd files to be specified, as soon as these files are loaded the protected mode kernel driver(s) take control and the virtual CD will no longer be accessible. If any other files are required from the CD/DVD they will be missing, resulting in boot error(s). |
| 17:41.25 | jelly | kevinux___zut: you can install jessie now and keep using it afterwards when it's releases |
| 17:41.29 | jelly | released* |
| 17:41.38 | share | btw I have a usb drive that simulates a cdrom |
| 17:41.46 | share | I dont known if the computer will recognize it. |
| 17:41.48 | share | know |
| 17:41.57 | share | ill try |
| 17:42.16 | kevinux___zut | jelly: and which ISO do i need to download? RC3 or Weekly-build? |
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| 17:43.47 | jelly | kevinux___zut: rc3 sounds okay. Are you going to have a wired internet connection at install time? |
| 17:44.34 | kevinux___zut | jelly: yes |
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| 17:45.43 | jelly | then the normal netinst image ought to be fine |
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| 17:46.43 | kevinux___zut | jelly: do you mean the wheezy image? |
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| 17:48.45 | kevinux___zut | jelly: ive got my answer : D |
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| 17:57.05 | kevinux___zut | so to summerize. I install Jessie, which is frozen, and i will have the next stable Debian intalled ? |
| 17:57.12 | kevinux___zut | Sorry i'm newbie |
| 17:58.31 | jelly | kevinux___zut: correct |
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| 17:59.31 | kevinux___zut | jelly: another question, sorry, will i need to change my source.list? for the updates? Or it will directly be on Jessie repositery? |
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| 18:00.32 | jelly | kevinux___zut: no, you'll start with jessie sources.list and that's what you'll keep during the lifetime of debian 8 release |
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| 18:01.31 | converge | does anyone knows why Im getting this no space left message here ? http://paste.debian.net/168327/ |
| 18:01.59 | kevinux___zut | jelly: okay, so if i install jessie now, it's just if i install the stable release at saturday? |
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| 18:02.48 | jelly | kevinux___zut: except with a couple more bugs unfixed, and no explicit security support until the release happens |
| 18:03.55 | abrotman | if saturday |
| 18:04.13 | kevinux___zut | jelly: but i will have it when it will be a stable? In fact, do you advisor me to install wheezy or jessie? |
| 18:05.10 | abrotman | 1) Is it internet facing? 2) Does it have to be done today? |
| 18:05.29 | jelly | kevinux___zut: if it's just a workstation at home, install jessie |
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| 18:07.47 | kevinux___zut | jelly: it is. So i install Jessie, which is frozen and when it will be a stable version i will have the stabe version with it? Sorry, it's hard to understand these stories about forzen, unstable, etc... |
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| 18:08.18 | rozie | kevinux___zut: wait till Sunday, install Jessie which is stable ;) |
| 18:09.13 | jelly | kevinux___zut: if you're going to install "jessie" it's going to keep being "jessie". At release time it will switch from being "testing" branch to being "stable" branch. |
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| 18:10.09 | jelly | then a couple years from now, it will become "oldstable" but you'll still have "jessie" |
| 18:11.05 | kevinux___zut | okay. So it's better if i install Jessie now. It's just like if i upgrade wheezy to jessie when this last is released. Do i understood well? |
| 18:11.17 | dontknow | does currently installed jessie get update if /etc/whatever.conf modified and fixed for bugs when it gets stable? |
| 18:12.27 | jelly | kevinux___zut: a release upgrade like wheezy->jessie always leaves some cruft. At this point in time I'd suggest installing jessie. Except if you're installing a server. |
| 18:13.44 | kevinux___zut | jelly mainly this upgrade, sysvinit > systemd no? |
| 18:14.04 | dontknow | let's say the content of "/etc/whatever.conf" has some buggy config. and devs changed that whatever.conf in stable. if i install the jessie before it gets stable, does it get that config content update after getting sable?? |
| 18:14.18 | jelly | dontknow: there might be slight differences, and if the config file is managed by dpkg it will ask you to keep your current one or install the new config file when "whatever" package gets upgraded. |
| 18:14.45 | jelly | kevinux___zut: read the release notes for details. |
| 18:14.55 | jelly | !jessie release notes |
| 18:14.56 | dpkg | Release notes for Debian 8 "Jessie" are at http://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/releasenotes . See also <wheezy->jessie>, <jessie install guide> |
| 18:15.05 | kevinux___zut | jelly: okay, thanks : ) |
| 18:15.23 | kevinux___zut | !jessie release notes |
| 18:15.23 | dpkg | Release notes for Debian 8 "Jessie" are at http://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/releasenotes . See also <wheezy->jessie>, <jessie install guide> |
| 18:15.36 | dontknow | jelly, so apt-get update will always warn if there is config update? |
| 18:15.48 | dontknow | *upgrade |
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| 18:16.46 | jelly | dontknow: if the config file is managed within the package, yes. |
| 18:16.55 | kevinux___zut | but i just want to be sure for one stuff. Again, sorry, if i install Jessie, when this one will be released, i will have a stable version without do nothing? |
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| 18:17.17 | dontknow | jelly, what does it mean "managed within package"? |
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| 18:19.00 | jelly | dontknow: some config files come with the package (those are managed by dpkg conffile mechanism). Some are generated by install scripts. Some of the generated stuff gets managed by a different "ucf mechanism". A few do not. |
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| 18:20.13 | jelly | dontknow: it really depends on the package. Usually, if you didn't manually change the config file, it will probably get upgraded. But there are often bugs or imperfect packages. |
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| 18:21.00 | dontknow | jelly, so there is a possibility that you will have forever buggy system if you install jessie before stable |
| 18:21.08 | dontknow | then |
| 18:21.30 | jelly | dontknow: not necessarily buggy, just different. |
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| 18:21.51 | pulsarinformatiq | Hi |
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| 18:22.08 | jelly | dontknow: but yes, that's basically it. |
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| 18:22.51 | dontknow | jelly, kevinux___zut i see. it is best to reinstall after jessie gets stable |
| 18:22.56 | pulsarinformatiq | On a Debian 8.0 system I'm trying to install suPHP but I get dependencies problem all the time. Could someone help me please ? |
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| 18:23.33 | jelly | dontknow: best for whom? |
| 18:23.48 | dontknow | jelly, to anyone |
| 18:23.58 | jelly | I disagree. |
| 18:24.31 | dontknow | but you are saying it is possible that buggy config file don't change |
| 18:24.55 | stakewinner00 | Is systemd a good choice por sysadmins? |
| 18:25.03 | jelly | dontknow: and it's probably going to be some minor thing. |
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| 18:25.42 | dontknow | jelly, ok |
| 18:26.29 | dontknow | stakewinner00, as far as i know, it is good for poor admins |
| 18:26.33 | kevinux___zut | thanks guys for your advices : ) |
| 18:26.38 | pulsarinformatiq | maybe this is not the place for such issues ? |
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| 18:27.28 | jelly | !tell pulsarinformatiq about basic apt troubleshooting |
| 18:27.41 | jelly | !tell pulsarinformatiq about localized errors |
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| 18:27.56 | thomas_d_ | when I click the network icon at the top right to connect to VPN or to connect to wifi etc, can bring up "Network Connections" etc, what are the commands for this in the shell? Appropriate commands/man pages plz sorry :D |
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| 18:29.26 | jelly | dontknow: in my experience, this close to a release the things that remain to be fixed will either be weird corner cases that you either won't trigger, or will definitely notice if you really need that functionality. |
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| 18:29.48 | toto29000 | hello |
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| 18:30.10 | toto29000 | would you know how to add a flag on my debian server saying true when the server is ddos ?? |
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| 18:30.14 | dontknow | jelly, for example i had to remove the connection name from /etc/network/interfaces to make network manager worked |
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| 18:30.36 | jelly | dontknow: connection name? |
| 18:30.45 | acz32 | if i remove a metapackage should it also remove everything that was installed as part of that (in the case when i installed a DE)? |
| 18:30.53 | dontknow | jelly, i mean eth whatever |
| 18:30.55 | acz32 | or will it leave things behind |
| 18:31.18 | jelly | dontknow: I think that's normal. |
| 18:31.37 | dontknow | i think it is bug |
| 18:32.18 | jelly | dontknow: the question is: if it is a bug, will it be fixed before release? |
| 18:32.25 | pulsarinformatiq | http://paste.debian.net/168333/ |
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| 18:32.54 | jelly | dontknow: that will happen only if it's filed in the bug report system, and if it's marked as serious or worse. |
| 18:33.02 | share | great now there's no network, no video |
| 18:33.09 | dontknow | acz32, it is going to remove every package that metapackage installed |
| 18:34.06 | jelly | pulsarinformatiq: that's not Debian 8. "squeeze" was Debian 6. "wheezy" is Debian 7. |
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| 18:35.19 | pulsarinformatiq | oh but when I do "cat /etc/debian_version" I get 8.0 |
| 18:36.13 | jelly | pulsarinformatiq: that may be, but your sources.list went back not forwards. |
| 18:36.19 | pulsarinformatiq | what shoud be the classical debian 8 sources.list file then ? |
| 18:36.27 | jelly | !jessie sources.list |
| 18:36.27 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
| 18:37.29 | dontknow | jelly, it is interesting. my first jessie install was the default desktop environment from the tasksel. i didn't have to edit /etc/network/interfaces back then. but after i installed only gnome-shell package for a minimal installation and i had to edit that config file for internet connection through network manager |
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| 18:37.37 | pulsarinformatiq | ok , I am doing it now... thanks ... I'll be back |
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| 18:38.16 | jelly | pulsarinformatiq: proceed very carefully with that system. |
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| 18:39.03 | jelly | pulsarinformatiq: it might be better to verify your apache and php and libc6 packages are actually from debian 8 before installing _anything_ from jessie sources. |
| 18:39.27 | converge | does anyone knows why I'm getting this no space left message here ? http://paste.debian.net/168327/ |
| 18:39.30 | pulsarinformatiq | and how please? |
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| 18:40.18 | jelly | pulsarinformatiq: pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy libapache2-mod-suphp apache2 libc6" and "apt-cache policy" |
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| 18:41.55 | jelly | dontknow: the minimal install does not have NetworkManager, but task-gnome-desktop install does. The minimal install very likely sets up interfaces(5) because it's the only way to configure networking there. |
| 18:41.55 | share | bad contact |
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| 18:42.41 | jelly | dontknow: so you're seeing a difference between installing gnome directly from the installer, and installing it later. |
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| 18:43.02 | dontknow | jelly, oh i see. it makes sense |
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| 18:44.22 | pulsarinformatiq | ok, here are the (bad) result: http://paste.debian.net/168334/ please |
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| 18:45.49 | jelly | pulsarinformatiq: your system is a mess, someone installed packages from unstable. |
| 18:46.08 | pulsarinformatiq | yeah, I did :( |
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| 18:47.15 | pulsarinformatiq | can I fix it ? |
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| 18:47.48 | ketin | hi there |
| 18:48.10 | jalrnc | question: apt-get vs aptitude... is there a recommended one? I tend to use apt-get but aptitude is said to handle conflicts better and it seemed to be the one recommended by debian... but apt-get was recommended for dist upgrades... what's the reason behind this? what does everyone use? |
| 18:48.12 | jelly | pulsarinformatiq: the cleanest thing to do is reinstall. Depending on how much newer stuff you installed, a partial downgrade might be an option. Note that downgrades won't touch any config already in place. |
| 18:48.13 | ketin | i have a question anyone try to port debian arm at here ? |
| 18:48.26 | jelly | pulsarinformatiq: read /msg dpkg partial downgrade |
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| 18:48.57 | jelly | pulsarinformatiq: also suphp doesn't seem to exist in jessie? |
| 18:49.06 | pulsarinformatiq | "read /msg dpkg partial downgrade": I don't understand |
| 18:49.37 | ketin | umm i need some ARM source about debian |
| 18:49.44 | ketin | where can i find ? |
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| 18:49.48 | jelly | pulsarinformatiq: type that /msg thing in your irc client. You'll get a private message from "dpkg" bot. |
| 18:50.00 | pulsarinformatiq | ok, thanks |
| 18:50.03 | jelly | pulsarinformatiq: probably in a different irc tab/window |
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| 18:50.30 | jelly | !arm |
| 18:50.30 | dpkg | Advanced RISC Machine (ARM) is a processor architecture. The Debian arm port was deprecated at 5.0 "Lenny" with official support dropped at 6.0 "Squeeze", ask me about <armel> for the replacement port. See also <armhf>. http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ For help with Debian on ARM systems, join #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 18:51.23 | jelly | hm, that's a bit outdated |
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| 18:59.30 | pulsarinformatiq | but isn't there a way to reinstall what need to be reinstall on top of the current system? |
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| 19:01.10 | phyzloc | uninstalling it :) |
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| 19:02.53 | valdyn | phyzloc: dont use dhcp in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 19:05.50 | acz32 | dontknow: it left behind a few things, like pulseaudio, etc |
| 19:06.45 | dontknow | acz32, have you done apt-get autoremove |
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| 19:08.27 | acz32 | dontknow: no |
| 19:09.04 | acz32 | i will |
| 19:09.06 | dontknow | acz32, it removes metapackage suff after doing "apt-get autoremove" |
| 19:09.15 | kWO901 | I have Clementine installed but it doesnt start. why |
| 19:09.16 | acz32 | thanks |
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| 19:10.16 | acz32 | kWO901: start it in the terminal and find out |
| 19:10.27 | kWO901 | acz32: i tried |
| 19:10.35 | kWO901 | and it doesnt return anything! |
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| 19:16.09 | hikenboot | hi anyone know what the FCoE error /usr/sbin/dcbtool sc zt0 dcb on responds with Unkown DCB command response: R0a ---Note not sure this is the right channel its a package in debian unstable |
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| 19:19.18 | kWO901 | acz32: i can start it as root |
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| 19:20.36 | micalm | You shouldn't have or need to kWO901, so don't do it. |
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| 19:23.16 | Cyclohexane | Hey, I'm struggling to get a disk to show in Linux. If I run 'testdisk' I can see that the disk is there and has a single partition called 'MS Data' (it's from a windows computer), through the program I can also view the files... How do I get it to show up in the Linux file explorer? |
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| 19:28.40 | acz32 | kWO901: did you install it normally with apt-get? |
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| 19:29.29 | kWO901 | acz32: yes |
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| 19:30.12 | kWO901 | i instlled with apt-get yesterday and it worked fine yesterday. now it only starts with sudo |
| 19:31.26 | acz32 | strange. what happens when you just enter "clementine" in the terminal |
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| 19:37.21 | kWO901 | acz32: nothing |
| 19:37.39 | fiberterminal | I've got a generic lamp server on wheezy and for two weeks now, the performance has tanked to hell randomly after about a week of uptime, anything obvious to check for? |
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| 19:37.55 | kWO901 | acz32: user@x:~$ clementine |
| 19:37.55 | kWO901 | user@x:~$ |
| 19:38.06 | fiberterminal | I've stopped every lamp related service on the box and disk/cpu are still in the toilet |
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| 19:38.52 | mokuhon | kWO901: maybe delete your config? |
| 19:39.11 | fiberterminal | I'm also not using any swap, am on SSD, and have PLENTY of RAM |
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| 19:39.33 | mokuhon | kWO901: apt-get purge clementine && apt-get install clementine would do it too I think |
| 19:41.45 | acz32 | kWO901: maybe try a apt-get install clementine --reinstall |
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| 19:42.14 | acz32 | or purge and re-install like he said |
| 19:44.13 | kevinux___zut | i asked this question before but i want another advice. Can i install Jessie and use it as a desktop mahine up-to-date when Jessie will be the release? |
| 19:45.15 | croddy | yes |
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| 19:46.39 | hikenboot | if my problem with the interface is a naming convention problem ie zt0 instead of eth0 naming convention is there a way to make a pointer between one interface name and another more conventional name (since I am stuck with zt0 as the real interface name) |
| 19:46.46 | kevinux___zut | thanks croddy |
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| 19:47.32 | mokuhon | kevinux___zut: I currently have Jessie installed and use it as a "desktop machine", too. |
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| 19:48.18 | kevinux___zut | maybe i can ask in another way in fact |
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| 19:48.31 | hikenboot | since it is formed from a binary executable |
| 19:50.15 | kWO901 | mokuhon: acz32 i reinstalled. same stuff |
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| 19:53.05 | kevinux___zut | I want to install Debian today but the next release will be here normally this saturday. Do you advize me to install Wheezy and apt-get upgrade it or install Jessie? |
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| 19:54.10 | fiberterminal | I don't see why apt-get dist-upgrade wouldn't work on Saturday |
| 19:54.10 | babilen | I'd just install jessie using the rc installer at this point |
| 19:56.35 | kevinux___zut | fiberterminal: maybe because of systemd : s |
| 19:56.47 | mokuhon | kWO901: cd ~/.config and delete the directory "Clementine" and start it again |
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| 19:57.11 | freq | does the netinstall support 128GB sd cards |
| 19:57.23 | fiberterminal | had this issue exactly a week ago today |
| 19:57.29 | ompaul | kevinux___zut: if that's a reason, fork debian and go for it |
| 19:57.48 | fiberterminal | only thing I could think of is logrotate doing something stupid on wednesday, I have no cron jobs setup |
| 19:58.06 | fiberterminal | but you'd think stopping just about every service on the box would restore performance |
| 19:58.19 | kevinux___zut | ompaul: i don't want to fork debian |
| 19:58.39 | ompaul | kevinux___zut: sometimes there is great freedom in having exactly no choice. |
| 19:58.57 | fiberterminal | quote of the day ^ |
| 19:59.04 | ompaul | fiberterminal: every day |
| 19:59.10 | mokuhon | ompaul: rms disagrees |
| 19:59.26 | freq | what are you all arguing about |
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| 20:00.29 | ompaul | mokuhon: you have a choice, run free with no firmware, or run non-free and don't claim to be free. You don't get to choose one and say the other unless you involve yourself in wishful thinking. If you do that, then the real world is not the place to play. |
| 20:00.48 | pulsarinformatiq | Again, how can I reinstall Debian 8.0 on my messy system without having to make a clean install? I have 20+ websites on this server and I would like to avoid a format/reinstall. My system is http://paste.debian.net/168334/ |
| 20:00.54 | ompaul | thinks that we have gone very off topic and asks SynrGy to tell me to cap it ;-) |
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| 20:00.59 | fiberterminal | I forgot that #debian was a philosophy channel |
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| 20:01.15 | fiberterminal | I should've known better than to ask for support in here |
| 20:01.47 | babilen | kevinux___zut: https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 20:02.18 | ompaul | ,v libapache2-mod-suphp |
| 20:02.19 | judd | Package: libapache2-mod-suphp on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.7.1-1; wheezy: 0.7.1-3 |
| 20:03.05 | ompaul | pulsarinformatiq: seems it has been either superseded or gone away |
| 20:03.22 | babilen | kevinux___zut: There are also: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/jessie_di_rc3/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 20:03.42 | kevinux___zut | babilen: thanks : D |
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| 20:06.03 | ompaul | pulsarinformatiq: the problem is this that package was removed from testing and unstable almost a year ago, because it was not maintained and dead from upstream. |
| 20:06.04 | kevinux___zut | it didn't hep* |
| 20:06.43 | ompaul | pulsarinformatiq: so you would be relying on something unmaintained - not great given how php and security seem to be in a perpetual race - you'd have no security support |
| 20:07.04 | pulsarinformatiq | Which package are you talking about please? |
| 20:07.27 | kWO901 | mokuhon: i did delete the config and installed again. still doesnt work. anyway i need to go see you later. thanks anyway |
| 20:07.35 | ompaul | pulsarinformatiq: the one you were asking about libapache2-mod-suphp |
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| 20:08.11 | kevinux___zut | do i have to install Jessie or Wheezy with an apt-get upgrade? |
| 20:08.27 | pulsarinformatiq | ok, but suEXEC needs suPHP, or so I thought |
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| 20:09.55 | ompaul | pulsarinformatiq: have you installed it? |
| 20:10.21 | newbie4now | i installed Debian 7.8 on my laptop and upon finsishing the installation i can not boot Wheezy. I get the error: "file '/grub/i386-pc/normal.mod' not found" |
| 20:10.47 | pulsarinformatiq | I can't install suPHP as I wrote. I just installed and configured suEXEC as explained here : http://www.area51.fr/2010/09/06/suexec-suphp-apache2/ (please use google translate) |
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| 20:11.47 | babilen | kevinux___zut: As I said: I would recommend to simply use the image I linked to install jessie at this point. Subsequent updates will be make with apt, apt-get or aptitude (choose whatever you deem appropriate) |
| 20:12.10 | newbie4now | i used a cd to install wheezy but i may have installed grub on the sdcard that i had inserted |
| 20:12.23 | newbie4now | i used a cd to install wheezy but i may have installed grub on the sdcard that i had inserted throughout the installation |
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| 20:13.19 | newbie4now | can anyone help me? |
| 20:13.32 | babilen | dpkg: tell newbie4now -about fixmbr |
| 20:13.43 | babilen | (and don't install it on the sdcard) |
| 20:14.22 | newbie4now | babilen, i may have installed grub on the sdcard that i had inserted throughout the installation |
| 20:14.31 | newbie4now | by mistake |
| 20:14.59 | newbie4now | right now i cannot boot my newly installed wheezy |
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| 20:15.22 | babilen | Yes, that is my understanding. Please try the steps the bot just told you about (in a private message that you might have overlooked) |
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| 20:17.03 | newbie4now | babilen, i booted from installed CD1 and did ALT F2 but i could not swicth to a console |
| 20:17.11 | newbie4now | babilen, i booted from installed CD1 and did ALT F2 but i could not swicth to another console |
| 20:17.20 | babilen | newbie4now: Just fyi: Debian is about to release a new version in three days and I would have simply installed that version (jessie) right now using the installer on https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ -- Given that you installed wheezy already you can wait for the release and then just upgrade according to the release notes |
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| 20:18.15 | thms | Where is the best place to get help about resizing RAID1 partition without LVM and GPT layout ? I have a / of 20Gb and a /home of 3Tb. So my system is useless. |
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| 20:18.25 | pulsarinformatiq | ompaul ? you asked me if I installed suPHP: I can't install suPHP as I wrote. I just installed and configured suEXEC as explained here : http://www.area51.fr/2010/09/06/suexec-suphp-apache2/ (please use google translate). But I understand you say suPHP is no longer supported and should not be used. How can we make suExec work with Apache then ? |
| 20:18.50 | babilen | newbie4now: Hmm, that should work. Try ctrl-alt-f2 and other as well. you might have to hit enter (and we are not talking about the graphical installer there). You should also be able to open a console from within the installer, but I forgot the exact steps. |
| 20:18.57 | babilen | newbie4now: bbl |
| 20:19.12 | newbie4now | ctrl-alt-f2 did work |
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| 20:21.51 | newbie4now | babilen, shall i write /target or /dev/sda1 fyi /dev/sda1 is my / partition |
| 20:22.27 | ompaul | ,v apache2-suexec |
| 20:22.28 | judd | Package: apache2-suexec on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 2.2.16-6+squeeze11; squeeze: 2.2.16-6+squeeze12; squeeze-security-lts: 2.2.16-6+squeeze14; wheezy-security: 2.2.22-13+deb7u3; wheezy: 2.2.22-13+deb7u4; jessie: 2.4.10-10; sid: 2.4.10-11 |
| 20:22.39 | babilen | ompaul: /query ? |
| 20:22.46 | ompaul | pulsarinformatiq: ^^ |
| 20:22.50 | ompaul | babilen: ya |
| 20:23.21 | ompaul | pulsarinformatiq: it looks like one doesn't need the other |
| 20:23.26 | ompaul | babilen: please do so |
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| 20:23.36 | babilen | newbie4now: You'd use "mount -t ext2 /dev/sda1 /target" (or ext3, ext4, ...) in that case |
| 20:26.19 | pulsarinformatiq | ompaul: what do you mean please? |
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| 20:27.23 | babilen | newbie4now: /target is simply the directory where you mount your data. You can use /sunnydayinberlin if you prefer that |
| 20:27.30 | babilen | (but create that first) |
| 20:27.47 | ompaul | pulsarinformatiq: exactly what I said. The suexec package can be installed without the other, as it exists in sid / wheezy etc |
| 20:27.54 | ompaul | pulsarinformatiq: it doesn't need the other |
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| 20:28.07 | ompaul | pulsarinformatiq: that's all that I can say on the matter |
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| 20:29.54 | pulsarinformatiq | YEs I can install suEXEC without any problem. but to make it work with Apache I need suPHP. WIth SuEXEC alone and even after I a2enmod suexec, restart apache and add (in the virtual host) the SuExecUserGroup myuser mygroupapache line, apache is still using www-data to write. |
| 20:30.18 | ompaul | pulsarinformatiq: and apache project no longer supports the software it would be a bad idea to install it |
| 20:30.36 | ompaul | pulsarinformatiq: suggest you ask the apache people what they do directly |
| 20:31.06 | ompaul | we'll help you install debian packages if they exist and even some that don't but not orphaned upstream that put a security hole inthe middle of your web server |
| 20:31.12 | ompaul | (more than likely at some stage) |
| 20:31.29 | ompaul | pulsarinformatiq: and really that's all that I can say on the matter |
| 20:31.42 | fiberterminal | does dotdeb offer suexec? |
| 20:31.55 | ompaul | !dotdeb |
| 20:31.56 | dpkg | http://dotdeb.org/ is an unofficial package repository with emphasis on the <LAMP> solution stack, unsupported in #debian. To get support, read http://www.dotdeb.org/2012/08/24/how-to-post-useful-bug-reports/ and report any issues to https://github.com/gplessis/dotdeb-php5/issues . Ask me about <dotdeb alternatives>. |
| 20:31.56 | pulsarinformatiq | Ok so let me ask you then how we can make apache write with another account for each virtual host? I followed a tutorial that explained we need suexec/suphp but maybe there is another way ? |
| 20:32.24 | ompaul | pulsarinformatiq: I don't do apache, you can get more help with apache people directly |
| 20:32.26 | ompaul | !apache |
| 20:32.27 | dpkg | Apache HTTPD is a versatile, high-performance HTTP server. Ask me about <apache2>, <install apache>, <apache manual>. See also <cnrd>, <userdir>, <htaccess>. http://wiki.debian.org/Apache http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/FAQ http://httpd.apache.org/ #httpd on irc.freenode.net. |
| 20:32.48 | ompaul | it's not really a debian question (it's almost one) but they would advise you |
| 20:33.07 | ompaul | pats his nginx |
| 20:33.18 | ompaul | goes back to doing work :-( |
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| 20:34.15 | fiberterminal | you just started a war :p |
| 20:34.24 | fiberterminal | but nginx + php-fpm ftw |
| 20:34.33 | newbie4now | babilen: can i just installed this : http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-CD-1.iso instead of wheezy? |
| 20:34.34 | fiberterminal | throw mariadb in there too |
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| 20:35.10 | newbie4now | babilen: instead of wheezy can i just install this : http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-CD-1.iso instead of wheezy? |
| 20:35.11 | ompaul | scowls at php |
| 20:35.20 | ompaul | fiberterminal: now please stop with the war ;-) |
| 20:35.27 | newbie4now | babilen: instead of wheezy can i just install this : http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-CD-1.iso ? |
| 20:35.30 | babilen | newbie4now: I'd use http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/jessie_di_rc3/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 20:35.56 | ompaul | runs from CutMeOwnThroat |
| 20:36.11 | newbie4now | but that is noit for the intel 32bit arch. sorry i am a newbie |
| 20:36.31 | ompaul | newbie4now: is your machine less than 5 years old |
| 20:36.34 | babilen | newbie4now: And you don't have to ask three times. There should also be a CD1 image without firmware of the RC3, but you can probably also use the weekly. I would think twice before deciding against amd64 thought. How much RAM do you have and what kind of processor? |
| 20:37.16 | babilen | newbie4now: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/jessie_di_rc3/ has links to other architectures (I essentially assumed that you'd want amd64, sorry) |
| 20:37.45 | ompaul | newbie4now: amd64 works with 64bit intel boxes |
| 20:38.05 | TacoGS | When Jessie goes stable, I take it the repos are the same? |
| 20:38.30 | babilen | No, they would reflect that jessie is stable (e.g. stable would point to jessie now) |
| 20:38.40 | babilen | So they are not the same [as now] |
| 20:39.16 | babilen | There won't, however, be major changes to the content of the respective repositories (i.e. jessie won't change much hopefully) |
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| 20:40.07 | sunbeam | I've setup a server for a new domainname, for some reason I am not able to send mails using this e-mail (domain) account |
| 20:40.11 | sunbeam | It cannot send mails, receives perfectly |
| 20:41.00 | newbie4now | 3 gig of ram |
| 20:41.30 | newbie4now | an intel core core 2 |
| 20:41.49 | TacoGS | babilen: A lot of sources do not even state the branch, only ones like http://ftp.xx.debian.org/debian testing ..." do, so why would the others that just say jessie-updates etc change? |
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| 20:44.17 | Lope | I setup a debian 7.5 server last night a bunch of internet facing IPs. All the iptables rules were set to ACCEPT. I didn't update it until now. Should I be worried that it's been compromised and reinstall? |
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| 20:44.53 | TacoGS | I would be worried that you set it to a DMZ |
| 20:44.59 | babilen | TacoGS: "testing" will point to "stretch" after the release, but it is a bumpy ride directly after the release |
| 20:45.09 | babilen | (i'd track "jessie" for a little while) |
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| 20:45.27 | Lope | Taco: i just installed it from a standard ISO. |
| 20:45.44 | TacoGS | is it behind a NAT? |
| 20:45.51 | Lope | not at all. |
| 20:46.10 | TacoGS | then the tentacles of the internet probably decided you are a good target. |
| 20:46.10 | Lope | another thing is by default it had a shortish password (no SSH key) |
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| 20:46.22 | TacoGS | what exactly did you install? |
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| 20:47.16 | newbie4now | babilen, i am about to install debian-testing-i386-CD-1.iso what will i have to do after jessie is officially launched? |
| 20:47.34 | sunbeam | how can I setup a rDNS for my server? |
| 20:48.47 | blackflow | sunbeam: ask your ip address provider. |
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| 20:49.26 | thms | Does NFS preserve file perms ? |
| 20:49.42 | thms | NFS mount. (using OVH backup) |
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| 20:53.11 | awal | newbie4now: just enjoy you debian jessie system, so :) |
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| 20:53.51 | newbie4now | awal, no need to change my sources.list file? |
| 20:54.12 | newbie4now | awal, are you running debian-testing right now? |
| 20:54.26 | awal | newbie4now: in your sources file you have jessie or testing words? |
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| 20:55.16 | newbie4now | i have not installed debian-testing yet |
| 20:56.48 | rainfyre | newbie4now: you'll be good |
| 20:57.12 | rainfyre | you won't have to do anything out of the ordinary |
| 20:57.13 | TacoGS | I would imagin if he uses something that denotes "testing" when it goes live may need to change |
| 20:57.18 | TacoGS | imagine even |
| 20:57.20 | rainfyre | ah |
| 20:57.27 | pulsarinformatiq | if suPHP is no longer supported, suEXEC alone being not enough, what are the remaing solutions: PHP-FPM ? do you recommand it ? thanks |
| 20:57.43 | TacoGS | If you use something like Debian Source Generator the primary source does not use "Jessie" it uses "Testing" |
| 20:57.58 | blackflow | pulsarinformatiq: yes, php-fpm (php5-fpm package on wheezy) |
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| 20:58.33 | rainfyre | newbie4now: if your sources.list points to testing, you'll want to change every entry to say "jessie" in the place of "testing" |
| 20:58.45 | pulsarinformatiq | php-fpm seems a bit tricky to install. do you have a good tutorial for Debian 8 please ? |
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| 20:59.53 | rainfyre | newbie4now: otherwise when jessie becomes stable your system will still track testing, rather than tracking stable |
| 21:00.04 | awal | newbie4now: once installed, if you want run jessie as stable so you don't need to do nothing. if you want run testing branch so change jessie to testing. jessie installer should have 'jessie' in sources.list file, I believe so |
| 21:00.12 | rainfyre | ^^ |
| 21:00.47 | rainfyre | i've never used the jessie installer, I normally minimally install stable and dist-upgrade .. |
| 21:00.57 | TacoGS | newbie4now: If you get a chance, after install just copy the lines into a pastebin from /etc/apt/sources.list if you think you will have an issue, PM me if needed |
| 21:01.16 | rainfyre | debian support at its finest :) |
| 21:01.24 | TacoGS | I installed stable myself, I see your point on minimal install however |
| 21:01.34 | TacoGS | I installed it before reading when jessie goes live |
| 21:01.54 | thomas_d_ | I need to create SRV records so that my XMPP client can talk to Google accounts, I believe this is what I need to add: http://pastebin.com/MrejNDHU can I just add this to my "hosts" file and expect this to work or... hm, bit confused about this |
| 21:02.46 | rainfyre | TacoGS: ah, I've done it so many times. dist-upgrade is so smooth these days anyway, all you're saving is having to download more packages that way |
| 21:03.29 | TacoGS | I have a large connection, I am not as worried |
| 21:05.07 | TacoGS | can you specify jessie for ftp.xx.debian.org/debian instead of testing? |
| 21:05.07 | newbie4now | rainfyre, thanks. will install debian-testing right now and will let your know straightaway if i run into any issues |
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| 21:09.39 | TacoGS | rainfyre: to the virtual machine :P |
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| 21:10.17 | TacoGS | actually it seems ftp.xx.debian.org is on there |
| 21:10.33 | TacoGS | the jessie |
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| 21:12.20 | sunbeam | For some reason some mails I send are only received in spam, any ideas how come? |
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| 21:16.02 | acz32 | sunbeam: send with what and received where? |
| 21:16.10 | teraflop | a lot of ideas sunbeam |
| 21:16.49 | acz32 | stop sending spam and see what happens |
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| 21:17.24 | teraflop | acz32: may be it's not spam |
| 21:17.51 | TacoGS | rainfyre: yeah, I just changed testing to jessie and it should be fine after the fact |
| 21:18.13 | acz32 | teraflop: i was kidding but he didn't give enough info to know how to answer |
| 21:18.44 | teraflop | sunbeam: youre asking so vage questions about an unkown mail server without providing any background, do not expect any help |
| 21:18.54 | teraflop | acz32: yep ;) |
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| 21:25.14 | sunbeam | teraflop: what do you want to know? |
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| 21:28.32 | pulsarinformatiq | Ok, after many attempts and readings I understand suEXEC could be working alone with apache/PHP but I don't know how. |
| 21:29.10 | pulsarinformatiq | even if I use the SuExecUserGroup myuser mygroup command in the virtual host, apache is still writing as www-data |
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| 21:30.28 | thms | If I rsync my whole system on a NFS. Then reinstall, and rsync back everything. |
| 21:30.43 | thms | Will the packages I installed with apt-get stil being seen by dpkg ? |
| 21:30.48 | thms | or Will it break things ? |
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| 21:38.23 | traph | !help |
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| 21:41.40 | sunbeam | how can i check whether i have a pop server running and which app runs this? |
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| 21:43.41 | newbie4now | i have just installed debian-testing and can not find /lib/firmware . is it supposed to exist on jessie? |
| 21:44.26 | atannus | Is /var/lib/<libname>/ the right place for my library to write data it needs to keep around? |
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| 21:45.43 | newbie4now | where can put extra firmware on jessie??? /lib/firmware does not exist |
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| 21:48.13 | atannus | Seems right based on this: http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#VARLIBVARIABLESTATEINFORMATION |
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| 21:48.58 | teraflop | sunbeam: your email can be treated as spam because many things, no rdns, no/bad spf txt record, and so on, i suggest you to check your mx server with something like http://mxtoolbox.com/ |
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| 21:50.42 | newbie4now | i have just installed debian-testing and can not find /lib/firmware . is it supposed to exist on jessie? |
| 21:50.46 | newbie4now | where can put extra firmware on jessie??? /lib/firmware does not exist |
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| 21:51.35 | sunbeam | teraflop: No Records Exist |
| 21:51.38 | sunbeam | when I put that domain there |
| 21:52.46 | teraflop | sunbeam: put the MX |
| 21:53.22 | teraflop | i mean put the email domain name |
| 21:53.53 | newbie4now | where can put extra firmware on jessie??? /lib/firmware does not exist |
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| 21:54.38 | sunbeam | teraflop: how can i do this? |
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| 21:57.08 | teraflop | sunbeam: your dns are ... messed? said your domain name is whatever.com just do from console `dig MX whatever.com` or simply `host whatever.com` |
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| 21:58.34 | ctmjr | newbie4now: create it |
| 21:59.29 | newbie4now | i did create /lib/firmware and copied the right firmware but it does not load it |
| 22:00.06 | sunbeam | teraflop: huidzorgroyale.nl. 600 IN SOA ns81.domaincontrol.com. dns.jomax.net. 2015030601 28800 7200 604800 600 |
| 22:00.09 | sunbeam | is the answer i get |
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| 22:01.00 | pwk | hi friends, I am trying to install linux-headers-4.0.0-trunk-amd64, from experimental, but it says "linux-headers-4.0.0-trunk-amd64 : Depends: linux-kbuild-4.0 but it is not installable", and there is no linux-kbuild-4.0 that I can find, only for 3.16 and 3.18. Am I doing something wrong? Is this not supposed to work? |
| 22:02.27 | teraflop | sunbeam: i dont know how you ended dealing with that mail server, but I suggest a read on DNS stuff, mainly the part related to mail server, MX record, spf record A/AAAA records and may be rdns if you can control that directrly from your dns |
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| 22:10.07 | zh1 | pdfeditor for debian which one is more advisable? |
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| 22:23.24 | kWO901 | my laptop's speakers dont work anymore. but headphones work fine |
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| 22:27.00 | pwk | kward_: sometimes my fingers hurt, but my back is fine |
| 22:27.27 | pwk | *kWO901 |
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| 22:33.27 | sunbeam | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:34.20 | pfred1 | what happened to the dialog interface of dpkg-reconfigure? |
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| 22:34.57 | teraflop | sunbeam: i could but sincerely it's late here and I feel it will become a long task |
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| 22:35.22 | sunbeam | teraflop: hmm ok |
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| 22:36.51 | pfred1 | sings It's Too Late to sunbeam https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5TxpJVKKQ8 |
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| 22:37.55 | sunbeam | teraflop: where should I best look for? |
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| 22:38.21 | teraflop | sunbeam: no offense mate, it's just i dealed so many times with that stuff |
| 22:38.34 | teraflop | sunbeam: hmm let me see if I find something |
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| 22:40.44 | teraflop | sunbeam: something like that http://www.iredmail.org/docs/setup.dns.html |
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| 22:42.16 | sunbeam | ok thanks |
| 22:42.27 | sunbeam | So I should also add this MX record in my domain host zone file right? |
| 22:42.32 | sunbeam | of godaddy |
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| 22:43.14 | teraflop | sunbeam: my personal email server ones look like: ah godady, yes you need MX record (almost one) |
| 22:43.21 | teraflop | sunbeam: http://a.pomf.se/qdwcui.png |
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| 22:45.41 | sunbeam | ok thanks |
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| 22:45.55 | teraflop | yw sunbeam |
| 22:46.03 | sunbeam | MX Recordtype Host should be something like mail.huidzorgroyale.nl right? |
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| 22:48.04 | teraflop | sunbeam: whatever domain name that points the machine running the mail server or almost routing the emails |
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| 22:48.58 | teraflop | sunbeam: http://ix.io/i3T |
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| 22:50.36 | sunbeam | teraflop: what command do you use to get this? |
| 22:50.48 | teraflop | `host` |
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| 22:52.59 | sunbeam | host huidzorgroyale.nl |
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| 22:53.08 | sunbeam | doesn't say any about mail server hyet |
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| 22:53.54 | _habnabit | if there's kernel modules in the standard kernel source tree that aren't build/installed by debian by default, what's the best way to distribute them to debian systems? i was reading about dkms, but it seems to be primarily for kernel modules outside the standard kernel source tree |
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| 22:55.07 | valdyn | _habnabit: file a bug report so that module is includeed |
| 22:55.23 | _habnabit | valdyn, heh :( |
| 22:56.38 | valdyn | _habnabit: theres no other way that makes sense |
| 22:56.48 | _habnabit | valdyn, why's that? |
| 22:57.23 | valdyn | _habnabit: because each and every change in the kernel package will have to break your package |
| 22:57.43 | _habnabit | valdyn, oh, does this have something to do with the non-.ko files in /lib/modules ? |
| 22:57.56 | valdyn | _habnabit: no, its more technical |
| 22:58.18 | _habnabit | valdyn, would you mind explaining? i'd like to understand |
| 22:58.39 | valdyn | _habnabit: the configuration for your module is stored in the main tree |
| 22:59.11 | valdyn | _habnabit: now you would maintain a package that has dependency on someone else's source, thats insane |
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| 22:59.51 | _habnabit | valdyn, sorry, what do you mean by "someone else's source"? couldn't i use the same kernel source that debian already uses? |
| 23:00.09 | valdyn | _habnabit: yes, that someone else is the maintainer of the kernel |
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| 23:01.55 | valdyn | _habnabit: anyway, a missing module is a bug not a reason to create a new package, unless that module is not fit for using |
| 23:02.07 | _habnabit | valdyn, it's gadgetfs, fwiw |
| 23:02.19 | _habnabit | valdyn, it doesn't seem that debian ships any of the gadget modules by default |
| 23:03.23 | valdyn | CONFIG_USB_GADGET=m |
| 23:03.43 | valdyn | that looks like it is included |
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| 23:04.22 | valdyn | # CONFIG_USB_GADGETFS is not set |
| 23:04.26 | valdyn | and that like it isnt |
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| 23:06.31 | newbie4now | i installed jessie, manually downloaded old firmware on another laptop running wheezy and offline installed the old firmware on the laptop on which i installed jessi with for my broadcom bcm4311 wireless, how can i uninstall that firmware and install the latest one? |
| 23:07.44 | hiexpo | newbie4now, did you compile it? |
| 23:07.51 | hiexpo | from source |
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| 23:08.52 | hiexpo | !broadcam |
| 23:08.59 | valdyn | _habnabit: there may be a good reason why its not included, you should file a bug report and even before that look if there is not one already |
| 23:09.31 | hiexpo | !bug valdyn |
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| 23:10.07 | valdyn | !bcm4311 |
| 23:10.07 | dpkg | b43 is a Linux kernel driver supporting PCI/PCIe wireless LAN devices with Broadcom chips. Firmware is required, ask me about <b43-fwcutter> to provide. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx #bcm-users on irc.freenode.net. For BCM4313/43224/43225 device support, ask me about <brcmsmac>. For support of the BCM4306 rev 2 and 802.11b-only devices, ask me about <b43legacy>. |
| 23:10.08 | newbie4now | i got http://downloads.openwrt.org/sources/broadcom-wl-4.80.53.0.tar.bz2, uncompressed it, cd broadcom-wl-4.80.53.0 2/kmod, sudo b43-fwcutter -w /lib/firmware/ wl_apsta.o |
| 23:10.13 | valdyn | newbie4now: what dpkg said |
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| 23:12.47 | newbie4now | valdyn, that wiki does notb tell you how to *remove* the old firmware and install the latest one afterwards |
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| 23:14.09 | hiexpo | newbie4now, did he install it from source |
| 23:14.12 | valdyn | newbie4now: the file name is fixed in /lib/firmware |
| 23:14.33 | valdyn | newbie4now: so the package will just overwrite your current firmware file |
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| 23:16.00 | valdyn | newbie4now: so yes it will remove the "old" one |
| 23:16.13 | valdyn | newbie4now: but if that is older than what debian ships, i dont know |
| 23:17.52 | TacoGS | what is the meta package for qt4 and qt5? looking to remove 4 and replace with 5 |
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| 23:18.26 | valdyn | TacoGS: to what end? |
| 23:19.29 | TacoGS | So when I program across the Windows and Linux machines I am doing so with the same versions |
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| 23:21.52 | TheLizardKing | is there a way to see the uptime of the connection to the network? i want to see how long it has stayed connected.. been having some connection issues with the AP.. i want to see how stable the connection is |
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| 23:22.28 | valdyn | TacoGS: thats not how it seems to work in debian anyway |
| 23:22.28 | babilen | newbie4now: Still wonder why you didn't use the image with firmware I linked earlier .. |
| 23:22.40 | nick[0] | hi, I have a Readynas that's running the Netgear variant of Debian Lenny, i386. Is there a package that will make managing services in a Wheezy chroot easier than writing my own scripts? |
| 23:23.12 | TacoGS | I see, they can both coexist |
| 23:23.18 | valdyn | TacoGS: qt4 : libqt4-dev, qt5: qt5-default . The packages can be installed at the same time, so you will probably use #include and -l to link against a specific one |
| 23:23.55 | nick[0] | TheLizardKing: grep wlan /var/log/syslog |
| 23:24.00 | Bret_ | Hey, hopefully someone can help. Maybe not strictly debian related but if someone can point me in a better place, that'd be cool too. I have software I want to run on a port, it reports its binded to an IP and said port but it's not an open port. All firewalls disabled for testing, other ports working fine. |
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| 23:24.18 | Bret_ | Only thing I can see that's "odd" is that in netstat it doesn't show as LISTENING but I can't figure out why, any ideas? |
| 23:24.45 | valdyn | TacoGS: see the description of qt5-default |
| 23:24.58 | valdyn | TacoGS: it looks to me like qt4 and 5 may be complementary to some extent |
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| 23:25.46 | TacoGS | not seeing anything about qt4 in it |
| 23:25.48 | valdyn | TacoGS: thats unusual (for debian packaging), but it is how it is anyway |
| 23:26.35 | nick[0] | Bret_: what does netstat tell you when you run netcat -l $PORT ? |
| 23:26.38 | valdyn | TacoGS: yea |
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| 23:30.36 | somiaj | nick[0]: would something like schroot work? Run programs inside the chroot from outside, still may have to make your own script, but this could make it easier. |
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| 23:42.53 | nick[0] | somiaj: yeah, that's currently what looks like it might be my best option. wiki.debian.org/chroot mentions "tilting the old service" but I haven't been able to find any more info on the subject |
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| 23:48.05 | somiaj | nick[0]: well schroot service foo start/stop should work just fine. |
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| 23:48.22 | somiaj | nick[0]: now managing them so they are brought up at boot may be a bit more. |
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| 23:49.07 | acz32 | anyone know if i can change screen brightness more finely than 10% at a time? i'm stuck between too bright and too dark at night time. i use xbacklight but can try something else |
| 23:49.20 | acz32 | not sure if that's a hardware problem |
| 23:50.03 | somiaj | acz32: there are two types of ways to control this. Alternativally than controling teh backlight, you can controll the brightness, I think you can do this via xrandr (this is a differet software layer I belive) |
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| 23:50.56 | somiaj | acz32: man xrandr look at --brightness (this manages the gamma values and might have more fine tuning, but is different than changing the actual backlight level) |
| 23:51.34 | acz32 | us xrandr in the debian repos? i don't see it in jessie |
| 23:51.37 | acz32 | is* |
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| 23:52.04 | bazhang | ,v arandr |
| 23:52.05 | judd | Package: arandr on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.1.3-1; wheezy: 0.1.6-1; jessie: 0.1.7.1-1; sid: 0.1.7.1-1 |
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| 23:52.31 | pfred1 | acz32 xrandr is in x11-xserver-utils |
| 23:53.16 | acz32 | thanks |
| 23:53.22 | acz32 | i will give it a try |
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| 23:53.55 | acz32 | i didn't know there is a difference between brightness and backlight |
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| 23:55.00 | nick[0] | is the difference the amount of power that's being sent to the backlight (either change of voltage or PWM) vs opacity of the pixels? |
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| 23:57.50 | acz32 | funny because man xrandr under --brightness says you will probably prefer to use xbacklight |
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