| 00:00.25 | nick[0] | somiaj: hmm, so the most correct way to do this would probably be to add a user for each server to the host lenny system, and then write scripts to tie into Readynas' web administration (Frontview, I think?), since that is the primary way services seem to be managed by a Readynas. Does that sound about right? Basically use web-based service management (which tracks and autostarts services) instead of sysvinit |
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| 00:01.48 | nick[0] | somiaj: but it's not going to be as simple as schroot /var/schroot/wheezy/etc/init.d/some-service, right? |
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| 00:03.35 | hiyo777 | Hello I am trying to compile a wifi driver but it is giving me an error |
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| 00:04.28 | blackflow | that's too bad. |
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| 00:07.27 | abrotman | hiyo777: we would need more details |
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| 00:08.57 | Bret_ | Sorry, late reply nick[0] but thanks, turns out I was using a tool that was reporting incorrectly, netcat showed that it was definitely open and made me spot the issue in my config :) |
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| 00:10.57 | hiyo777 | abrotman: here's the error http://pastebin.com/9sxWmn3N |
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| 00:17.38 | nick[0] | Bret_: You're welcome :-) |
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| 00:21.47 | hiyo777 | abrotman: I'll talk on my other account now which is just hiyo |
| 00:22.27 | hiyo | abrotman: the wifi adapter in questionhttp://amzn.com/B003MTTJOY |
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| 00:22.44 | hiyo | abrotman: sorry http://amzn.com/B003MTTJOY |
| 00:24.12 | Brigo | hiyo, why are you compiling the driver? it shuold be already in the kernel |
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| 00:24.37 | hiyo | Briigo: well it said it needed to be installed... |
| 00:24.52 | Brigo | who said it? |
| 00:25.30 | hiyo | Brigo: On the packaging, it comes with a CD that has drivers for Linux, Mac and Windows |
| 00:26.45 | Brigo | hiyo, i think debian kernel has already the driver. You may need the firmware. Did you have non-free repository added? |
| 00:27.37 | hiyo | Brigo: yes |
| 00:27.52 | Brigo | did you install the firmware? |
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| 00:28.11 | hiyo | and I have another adapter working fine to give it temp internet access, but I cannot use that one permanently |
| 00:29.00 | Brigo | did you install the firmware? |
| 00:29.08 | Brigo | hiyo, did you install the firmware? |
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| 00:30.24 | hiyo | yes I did |
| 00:30.35 | Brigo | hiyo, how? |
| 00:31.03 | hiyo | Well I first tried using the apt repository, as it is the easiest |
| 00:31.30 | hiyo | Brigo: this way to be exact https://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x |
| 00:31.31 | Brigo | did you install firmware-realtek package? |
| 00:31.56 | Brigo | hiyo, ok and what is the output of iwconfig? |
| 00:34.00 | hiyo | well there is wlen0 but that is my other adapter I'm using to give it access at the moment |
| 00:34.41 | Brigo | there is no other wifi, then? |
| 00:34.46 | hiyo | Brigo: that is a TP-LINK adapter, not the same |
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| 00:35.09 | shay_shay | wwanlan |
| 00:36.05 | Brigo | hiyo, i am asking if is there another one. not for tplik. |
| 00:36.58 | hiyo | no, there is no other one |
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| 00:38.58 | Brigo | well, i would like to see the logs. It is weird. Anyway a easy solution could be upgrade the kernel. |
| 00:39.32 | Brigo | better than compile if you don't know how. |
| 00:40.13 | hiyo | I've compiled in my past, but it was always the routine ./configure, make, sudo make install |
| 00:40.38 | hiyo | this has some ./install.sh which isn't working properly and I have to endit the Makefile too |
| 00:40.38 | shay_shay | uses fakeroot |
| 00:41.08 | hiyo | shay_shay: what is fakeroot? |
| 00:41.28 | Brigo | hiyo, did you install the kernel headers? |
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| 00:42.09 | hiyo | Brigo: yes |
| 00:42.51 | Brigo | and the kernel sources? |
| 00:43.22 | hiyo | Brigo: wait, you wer partially right! |
| 00:43.35 | hiyo | it's working now, I ad to unblacklist it becasue the tutroail told me to blacklist it |
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| 00:44.35 | hiyo | Brigo: just give me a second to confirm it... |
| 00:45.32 | hiyo | Brigo: it works!!!! thanks so much :) |
| 00:45.47 | Brigo | hiyo, partially? :D |
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| 00:48.36 | philipp64|work | hi... had some questions about .deb handling in Perl... is this the right place to ask? |
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| 00:49.40 | philipp64|work | on a running system, for instance, if I wanted to find out (in Perl) what packages were installed on the system, or to get the meta information about those packages (version, dependencies, etc), what CPAN modules do that? |
| 00:50.38 | Brigo | philipp64|work, you better ask in debian-mentors channel, in oftc network. |
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| 00:51.49 | Brigo | philipp64|work, may be pkg-perl-tools ? |
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| 00:53.24 | philipp64|work | can't find that in wheezy... is that new? |
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| 00:57.43 | somiaj | nick[0]: I think schroot for running thigns inside the root directly would be the simiplets option. Integrating this into system services and bringing them up on startup, you may have to write a lot of wrapper scripts and put them in /etc/init.d/ |
| 00:57.52 | econdudeawesome | Hello! I installed something that nerfed my audio last night. Any suggestions on where to look to troubleshoot? |
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| 01:00.03 | somiaj | econdudeawesome: did you reboot after the install? |
| 01:00.25 | econdudeawesome | yes |
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| 01:00.46 | econdudeawesome | And I had a few terminals open, and the history didn't merge |
| 01:00.51 | somiaj | econdudeawesome: it could be that your sound cards were detected in a different order, run 'cat /proc/asound/cards' |
| 01:01.24 | econdudeawesome | no such file or directory |
| 01:01.53 | econdudeawesome | running Jessie, if that makes a difference |
| 01:02.48 | econdudeawesome | tried as root to cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp, got a "no space left on device" noticve |
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| 01:03.31 | somiaj | econdudeawesome: well most likely you aren't using oss, so dsp isn't your sound device |
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| 01:03.52 | somiaj | econdudeawesome: or are you using oss4? I'm assuming you are using alsa, but if /proc/asound/cards doesn't exist, that means you don't have any sound drivers loaded. |
| 01:03.59 | somiaj | econdudeawesome: did you change your kernel? |
| 01:04.11 | econdudeawesome | somiaj: I knew I shouldn't have mucked around with sound (was trying to get terraria working). The kernel may have been changed, how should I check? |
| 01:04.24 | econdudeawesome | (I'm still a bit of a newb, transitioning from ubuntu after lo many years) |
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| 01:05.19 | maazu | hi all |
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| 01:07.24 | somiaj | econdudeawesome: apt and dpkg have logs in /var/log -- you can see exactly what packages you installed/changed |
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| 01:08.20 | somiaj | econdudeawesome: If you have a custom kernel or anything like that, it could be the issue, could be something else. But sounds like you don't have your sound drivers loaded for your card for some reason. Does aplay -l work, or did some guide have you switch to oss? |
| 01:08.55 | econdudeawesome | Commandline: apt-get install pulseaudio oss4-base |
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| 01:09.15 | econdudeawesome | no soundcards found |
| 01:09.35 | econdudeawesome | additionally, I tried to install ffmpeg from souce but canceled halfway through--though I'm not sure that has anything to do with it |
| 01:10.04 | econdudeawesome | so if I remove that, will my kernel update as well? |
| 01:10.53 | maazu | econdudeawesome: cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 01:11.17 | econdudeawesome | it says no soundcards |
| 01:11.47 | maazu | econdudeawesome: sorry, kernel could not detect your sound card. |
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| 01:12.14 | maazu | econdudeawesome: do you dual-boot this machine? Or it is dedicated debian. |
| 01:12.18 | econdudeawesome | maazu: so I uninstalled oss4-base and am installing some alsa tools, is that a good first approach? (This worked fine until yesterday) |
| 01:12.22 | econdudeawesome | dedicated debian |
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| 01:12.53 | somiaj | econdudeawesome: The only thing I can think of that could change this is changing kernels, or messing with some core feature. Unless we know what you did I can't think of what the issue could be. |
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| 01:13.09 | somiaj | econdudeawesome: you could share the output of dmesg at paste.debian.net and we can see if there is any clues for us there. |
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| 01:14.06 | maazu | econdudeawesome: Advance Linux Sound Arch (ALSA) is somewhat lagging behind windows in sound card support. Is this soundcard brand new? |
| 01:14.53 | econdudeawesome | maazu: no. It worked fine until I installed oss last night (following a guide to get terraria working on linux) |
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| 01:15.35 | econdudeawesome | I seem to recall there is a way to update alternatives from Ubuntu, and believe that's part of dpkg? Is that something to try, then recompile the kernel? |
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| 01:17.35 | maazu | econdudeawesome: do you remember during oss install, there is some license agreement displayed followed by yes/no ? |
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| 01:18.41 | econdudeawesome | maazu: I don't, but it was done pretty late after way too much tinkering |
| 01:19.50 | maazu | oss installs proprietory kernel modules :( |
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| 01:20.14 | somiaj | econdudeawesome: so that is the issue, you did install oss. Then the methods I know won't work for detecting the sound card. It could be as simple as you have to tell your software to use the oss sound card? |
| 01:20.27 | somiaj | could be it is working fine, but your software is looking for an alsa card like we were. |
| 01:20.34 | maazu | it also runs a timer, should you wish to continue using oss modules, you have to subscribe to them |
| 01:21.12 | somiaj | ,v oss4 |
| 01:21.13 | judd | No package named 'oss4' was found in amd64. |
| 01:21.22 | somiaj | ,v oss4-base |
| 01:21.23 | judd | Package: oss4-base on amd64 -- squeeze: 4.2-build2003-1; wheezy: 4.2-build2006-2+deb7u1; sid: 4.2-build2010-2; jessie: 4.2-build2010-2 |
| 01:21.54 | somiaj | maazu: what are you talking about? oss is open source (the original linux sound system). There is no license aggrement or subscription. |
| 01:22.00 | somiaj | maazu: oss4 is the new generation of that. |
| 01:22.35 | somiaj | it is either oss4 doesn't have support for his card, the oss4 module isn't fully loaded or my guess is the system is trying to use alsa to play sound, so it needs to be configure to use oss4 devices (only some software will support oss4 I belive) |
| 01:22.45 | maazu | somiaj: during my use of Debian woody, there is commercial Unix drivers bundled with oss-sound-modules |
| 01:23.09 | maazu | somiaj: and i had to depmod oss-yamaha-pci to get my sound card working |
| 01:23.32 | econdudeawesome | how do i remove oss? |
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| 01:25.02 | blocky | anyone familiar with unattended upgrades? does uncommenting this line enable or disable automatic reboots: //Unattended-Upgrade::Automatic-Reboot "false"; |
| 01:25.09 | maazu | econdudeawesome: it may not be that simple, you might have to re-install kernel |
| 01:25.20 | econdudeawesome | maazu: k |
| 01:25.33 | somiaj | !oss4 |
| 01:25.33 | dpkg | [oss4] Open Sound System is a cross-platform set of device drivers providing a standard audio API for Unix systems. OSS/Free was in the 2.2 and 2.4 series of Linux kernels, with OSS/Linux remaining proprietary, replaced by <ALSA> in Linux 2.6. Open Sound System v4.0 was made available under the GPLv2 in July 2007, this is packaged since Debian 6.0 "Squeeze". http://www.opensound.com/ #oss on irc.freenode.net. |
| 01:26.13 | somiaj | econdudeawesome: it has nothign to do with reinstalling the kernel. Provided you are still running the offical debian kernel, just uninstall (--purge) all oss4 packges, and remove alsa modules from the blacklist (This will happen by --purging all oss4 packages) |
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| 01:26.48 | econdudeawesome | somiaj: k |
| 01:27.24 | maazu | somiaj: oss could install modules and change header files |
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| 01:28.04 | maazu | somiaj: remember the timestamps when it expires, no more oss service offered |
| 01:29.15 | somiaj | econdudeawesome: of course if this guide you followed had you install stuff from outside of debian, my method may not work. Again I'm assuming you just installed the debian oss packages. |
| 01:29.37 | econdudeawesome | just the debian packages AFAIK |
| 01:29.55 | maazu | econdudeawesome: that is why i asked during oss install, did you read the license agreement foloowed by yes/no? |
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| 01:30.50 | econdudeawesome | i installed from debian repos using: Commandline: apt-get install pulseaudio oss4-base |
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| 01:32.30 | maazu | gotta go |
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| 01:36.31 | somiaj | econdudeawesome: spyiyufr --purge oss4-base |
| 01:36.38 | somiaj | econdudeawesome: aptitude --purge oss4-base |
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| 01:38.36 | somiaj | econdudeawesome: scratch that, aptitude purge oss4-base (I was mixing up aptitude and apt-get syntax) |
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| 01:40.00 | econdudeawesome | no worries somiaj--done. So then just restart, or where to check for possible alsa blacklisting? |
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| 01:40.51 | somiaj | econdudeawesome: check the files in /etc/modprobe.d |
| 01:41.13 | somiaj | econdudeawesome: most likely it put a file called alsa-blacklist and if you don't see something like that you are fine. You can also 'grep blacklist /etc/modprobe.d/*' |
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| 01:41.44 | econdudeawesome | looks to be good |
| 01:41.48 | econdudeawesome | restarting--wish me luck! |
| 01:41.48 | somiaj | econdudeawesome: also dpkg -l | grep oss4 (make sure you don't have any more oss4 packages installed) |
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| 01:48.38 | econdudeawesome | worked like a charm! thanks so much |
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| 01:50.26 | routaran | Hello, I wanted a bit of help mounting a network drive via fstab. Currently I just run a bash script on startup that mounts my network drive but it polls me for the sudo password and then the network drive password. I know I can simply specify the password= argument but this would leave my password in plain text. |
| 01:50.27 | routaran | I also know there's a workaround by using a credentials file which i can hide and change permissions so only root has access to the file. While this is much better, I still dont like the idea of a password stored in clear text in a file. Is there a way for me to automount a network drive but not have a password stored somewhere in clear text? or should I just suck it up and use the .smbcredentials? |
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| 01:52.24 | somiaj | routaran: What type of network filesystem (nfs)? Do you just want an entery in fstab that allows you to mount it, if you try to auto mount with fstab you have to make sure the network and network drive is available at the time the additional file systems are mounted? |
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| 01:53.41 | somiaj | routaran: oh this is samba...isn't another issue is tell the samba server (network drive) that remote machine is trusted and to ignore authentication (not sure if you can do this with ip's or mac addresses) -- not sure if this would be preferable or one would worry about someone preteneding to be a trusted machine. |
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| 01:55.29 | routaran | yes this is a samba share. I am not too worried about someone impersonating a trusted system, no one can plug in to the network without my knowledge. If I can set my workstation as a trusted system, that's a reasonable solution for the time being. |
| 01:56.47 | routaran | I hadn't considered that option. is there a wiki article you can point me to that will show me how to do this? |
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| 01:58.42 | khew_ | Hi, I have a question about jessie. I have jessie(testing) installed and wanted to know what is going to happen when it goes stable? Will my system have an major differences to a fresh install of jessie? My guess is no since the repositories specified in sources.list will be that same; they will just be stable and updated less. Hoping someone with expertice could let me know. |
| 01:59.37 | somiaj | khew_: nope, jessie has been frozen for a while and what you have is basically the release. |
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| 02:01.06 | somiaj | khew_: there are currently 70 rc bugs in jessie, and once those 70 bugs are fixed the release can happen. After the release there are two things to know. 1) make sure your sources.list says jessie (not testing) else you could be in for a surprise. 2) security support will start on the offical release. |
| 02:01.29 | somiaj | khew_: so there will be little to no difference, unless you happen to use one of the very few packages with bugs. |
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| 02:03.29 | khew_ | somiaj: thanks, I was pretty sure that was the case. I just have never participated in the testing release before. I could compare the repository definitions with my wheezy server but still wasn't 100% sure. Thanks again. |
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| 02:04.48 | somiaj | khew_: really you can use very similar sources.list (except replace wheezy with jessie) |
| 02:05.32 | somiaj | khew_: the only difference is right now, the security and jessie-updates are just place keepers. But after the release they get used for security fixes and updates (that eventaully all get piled together into the next point release) |
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| 02:07.54 | khew_ | somiaj: Yea, they looked almost identical. One thing I noticed is that on my jessie install the backports repository is included. I am familair with the backports repo because I added it on wheezy for node or ruby or something but was supprized to see it included by default and thought it was just something testing did. |
| 02:08.17 | somiaj | khew_: it must just be included by default now. I haven't tested the new installer and know what the defaults have. |
| 02:09.04 | somiaj | well one issue in helping people in debian is getting them backports. It really is an extra hassel to have then enable the repo and since it is pinned so low, it won't hurt anything to be there by default and may help make it easier for newer people who want to easily install a backport. |
| 02:09.20 | khew_ | somiaj: I guess it wouldn't matter since you have to be so explicit to install packages from the backports. |
| 02:09.54 | somiaj | khew_: think of things in terms of release. This is somethign the jessie install is doing, and it is being tested. Once it jessie stabilizes these things aren't changed, we just point stable at jessie and then make a new testing and point testing at that |
| 02:10.23 | somiaj | hence why I said make sure you use 'jessie' over 'testing'. Point to the codename, not the current state. |
| 02:11.20 | somiaj | khew_: also testing doesn't really have backports (in general) it is always changing. This is just another place keeper that after the release will start to populate. |
| 02:11.26 | khew_ | right, and I double checked that to make sure it is using the codename |
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| 02:12.07 | khew_ | Oh, so there probably isn't even anything in the backports repo yet, that makes sense. |
| 02:12.27 | khew_ | It will get filled as tha release matures |
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| 02:13.11 | khew_ | or to be more specific as the need for software from the next testing release to be in a jessie instal |
| 02:13.22 | khew_ | I think I get it. |
| 02:13.39 | khew_ | somiaj: thank you for your explinations |
| 02:14.36 | somiaj | khew_: more the whim on if the matainer wants to make the newer version available to jessie or not. There is really no requirement to backport packages. |
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| 02:15.20 | somiaj | khew_: I think you can request the matainer to make a backport, but depending on the difficulty they may not do it. (sometimes you have to backport a lot of supporting libaries as well, and large DE's like gnome, kde, xfce, just won't be backported due to this) |
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| 02:17.59 | khew_ | somiaj: Yea, i ran into that problem on my whezy install and was acually getting ready to install the dotdeb.org repositories, i found an older version of the other software so i didn't have to in the end of the day |
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| 02:18.55 | somiaj | !dotdeb |
| 02:18.56 | dpkg | http://dotdeb.org/ is an unofficial package repository with emphasis on the <LAMP> solution stack, unsupported in #debian. To get support, read http://www.dotdeb.org/2012/08/24/how-to-post-useful-bug-reports/ and report any issues to https://github.com/gplessis/dotdeb-php5/issues . Ask me about <dotdeb alternatives>. |
| 02:18.58 | somiaj | !ssb |
| 02:19.37 | somiaj | khew_: usually we think they have fairly poor packages. /msg dpkg ssb (you can also make your own backports) |
| 02:20.15 | shay_shay | also you can "back port" packages from PPAs if you have no other choice ... although |
| 02:20.19 | shay_shay | !ppa |
| 02:20.19 | dpkg | [ppa] Personal Package Archive (see https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas or <launchpad>). PPAs are either: (a) an easy way to grab packages based on nightly-builds/VCS snapshots or (b) an easy way for any idiot to publish a package of extremely poor quality (remember, you will run the maintainer scripts as root during install!). Choose your repos wisely. No equivalent exists for Debian yet. Ask me about <why not use a ppa>. |
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| 02:21.05 | shay_shay | remembered that factoid being smaller |
| 02:21.23 | somiaj | shay_shay: I don't rember, do ppa's have a deb-src to get the source for them, or is this at the whim of the person who makes the ppa? |
| 02:21.36 | abrotman | whim IIRC |
| 02:21.44 | somiaj | either way, I say avoid them at all costs. But that is just me watching people with broken debian installs in here. |
| 02:21.47 | shay_shay | ppas always have deb-src in my experience |
| 02:21.55 | abrotman | PPAs aren't really designed for Debian anyway .. so that may go horribly |
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| 02:22.16 | khew_ | Yea I got a bad vibe from dotdeb so I stayed away. I didn't realize I could use PPAs on debian but I guess it makes sense. |
| 02:22.40 | somiaj | khew_: umm, I wouldn't say use is the correct word. You can alos install a random .deb you downloaded from breakmysystem.com |
| 02:22.47 | shay_shay | still better then straight up installing the .debs from them abrotman |
| 02:22.58 | abrotman | shay_shay: Duh, since they're not intended for Debian |
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| 02:23.38 | khew_ | Ok, I understand. You are kindof just crossing your fingers and hoping the PPA works (they are intended for Ubuntu correct?) |
| 02:24.21 | somiaj | If the ppa is really compadable with debian it can be an okay experience, but I would not expect this to be the case for most. Source installs are what I suggest, using something like stow if you wanted to manage them. |
| 02:24.58 | abrotman | khew_: exactly .. it's a chance you take |
| 02:25.13 | shay_shay | often times open source projects on github for example have Debian control files in them, however the author may have written the control file on Ubuntu... yet they are always buildable... what way would it be dangerous ? |
| 02:25.48 | abrotman | Yeah, installing packages meant for another distro seems like a great plan |
| 02:26.07 | shay_shay | were talking about compiling packages |
| 02:26.16 | themill | shay_shay: missing conflicts/replaces or dependencies on wrong versions is common |
| 02:26.20 | abrotman | yes, from source, created for another distro. |
| 02:26.24 | somiaj | shay_shay: it depends. ubuntu does do some core things differently, and these core things are modified during the pre and post install scripts. It may work, it may just error out and be an easy fix. It may do something that is dangerous. |
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| 02:26.35 | themill | (particularly for the case where files have been moved from one package to another) |
| 02:26.52 | shay_shay | OK, fair enough |
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| 02:27.03 | somiaj | some debian/ are compadable with both and there is no issue, some are not. |
| 02:27.15 | khew_ | I had never heard of stow before but that seems like it takes a level of pain out of installing from source |
| 02:27.28 | abrotman | khew_: there is also checkinstall |
| 02:27.28 | shay_shay | the most important thing is to review them first then |
| 02:28.07 | somiaj | khew_: yea gives a way to better manage source builds in /usr/local and allows one to not have to build a .deb to install stuff (just realize dpkg has no knowledge of this local install unless you use something like equivs to tell it about it) |
| 02:28.13 | shay_shay | I think I like stow better than checkinstall. its like a package manager for your /use/local |
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| 02:29.24 | abrotman | yeah, the one that works with your package manager is silly |
| 02:29.25 | khew_ | abrotman: checkinstall has been added to my notes also, thanks. Now i just have to find them the next time i have to do this ;) |
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| 03:05.57 | johskar | what would cause my 7.8 amd6 iso to tell me any mirror I try is not supporting wheezy? |
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| 03:08.44 | somiaj | johskar: what mirror are you using? |
| 03:10.06 | johskar | somiaj: tried several, amongst them a sweedish, danish, norwegian and cdn |
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| 03:12.12 | B[]rG | omfg |
| 03:12.19 | B[]rG | to much weed |
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| 03:13.20 | somiaj | johskar: That doesn't tell me much, is this during the install and you are entering in the mirror name during the install? |
| 03:13.26 | dvs | B[]rG: That was two days ago |
| 03:14.50 | johskar | somiaj: during install, yes, selecting country and what mirror to use, it scans the mirror and fails. |
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| 03:15.56 | johskar | Installer says Bad arcihve mirror and refers also to vc4 for more info, where it says: WARNING **: mirror does not support the specified release (wheezy). had no problems a few days back. |
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| 03:18.51 | somiaj | johskar: I'm assuming that you are entering in valid mirrors, so only other option is network. Could your network device not be up, could you be on a network in which you need to do some authentication to see the outside world? |
| 03:18.57 | somiaj | do you need to use a proxey, etc. |
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| 03:19.44 | johskar | somiaj: I'm selecting mirrors in the menu, not manualy entering mirror addresses. netowrk is up, it has IP and I can ping outside, no need for proxy on the network. |
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| 03:21.10 | somiaj | johskar: Did you check dns and ping the mirror you are trying? |
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| 03:21.32 | johskar | yes |
| 03:22.10 | somiaj | johskar: again it seems like a networking/routing issue, unless for some reason you are just picking bad mirrors, but that seems more unlikely. Try the http.debian.net mirror, that should send you to a healthy mirror if that doesn't work there is some network issue I would imangine. |
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| 03:24.41 | somiaj | johskar: even if you have the net install cd, you can finish the install without choosing a mirror, install a minimial base system, then try to debug the mirror issue from an actual install and not the installer. |
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| 03:27.14 | johskar | I think my ISP has screwd up something... now I can't even browse debian.org from any machine |
| 03:27.52 | somiaj | johskar: you can use googles, dns, put nameserver 8.8.8.8 in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 03:29.10 | johskar | somiaj: I get ip lookup just fine, just the traceroute for it stops after a few hops into my ISPs network, several other sites traceroute just fine. |
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| 03:44.37 | johskar | somiaj: it was my isp screwing up stuff... |
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| 03:50.52 | nick[0] | somiaj: thanks for the discussion of the wheezy chroot on lennie NAS. Off to sleep for real now |
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| 04:43.28 | nezZario | Hey guys! |
| 04:43.44 | nezZario | Is there a way I can make systemd not put me through an extra step everytime I get an error? |
| 04:44.37 | nezZario | Like, eh, maybe it's particular to nginx and if so I'll take my question over that way, but I'm pretty sure I've seen it with other daemons as well, instead of simply telling me what's wrong, it seems when an error occurs it tells me to run another command to see what's wrong. Which seems a little off to me... |
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| 05:41.58 | kyfho | hi I have a usb3 addoncard on my pc |
| 05:42.07 | kyfho | how can I find the manufacturer and stuff? |
| 05:42.10 | kyfho | I am looking in dmesg |
| 05:43.46 | somiaj | kyfho: you can check if it was detected and the correct sound driver loaded by looking at 'cat /proc/asound/cards' |
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| 05:44.11 | somiaj | kyfho: if you don't see it there, you can find info about the actual usb device with 'lsusb' or 'lsusb -vv' if you need to add some more info |
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| 05:48.25 | kyfho | hm |
| 05:48.34 | kyfho | lsusb shows various things |
| 05:48.46 | kyfho | id love to use usb3 speed |
| 05:48.53 | kyfho | esp with detachable sb drive |
| 05:48.55 | kyfho | to backup |
| 05:48.58 | kyfho | fast |
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| 05:49.31 | kyfho | so linux 4 is out |
| 05:49.36 | kyfho | but not considered stable? |
| 05:49.39 | kyfho | only mainline? |
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| 06:28.48 | iseon | Hello, I just recovered a broken fileystem and need to reinstall some essential packages... I cannot install accountsservice package because dpkg assumes it is already installed and running. |
| 06:29.00 | iseon | I get the error Failed to stop accounts-daemon.service: Unit accounts-daemon.service not loaded. |
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| 06:30.06 | iseon | How can I force reinstall without dpkg trying to stop the daemon that doesn't exist and returning error? |
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| 06:31.37 | shay_shay | hay |
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| 06:34.54 | valdyn | iseon: create /etc/init.d/accounts-daemon, empty file is probably ok, run systemctl daemon-reload |
| 06:35.52 | valdyn | iseon: then install the package, purge the package, install the package |
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| 06:39.09 | iseon | valdyn: did as u suggested, same error when trying to install the package |
| 06:39.15 | iseon | Failed to stop accounts-daemon.service: Unit accounts-daemon.service not loaded |
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| 06:40.12 | valdyn | iseon: the script probably needs +x |
| 06:40.49 | valdyn | iseon: hmm, i cant see the init script, but theres a service so |
| 06:41.03 | iseon | tried with +x too, same |
| 06:41.05 | valdyn | iseon: if this dont work, then you need instead to create a fake systemd service |
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| 06:41.53 | iseon | yeah that makes sense |
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| 06:42.26 | iseon | valdyn: nvm, it worked! |
| 06:42.28 | valdyn | iseon: alternatively modify the prerm script (/var/lib/dpkg/info/accounts-daemon.prerm), if thats the script that is failing |
| 06:42.30 | iseon | after +x |
| 06:42.32 | valdyn | iseon: ok |
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| 06:42.39 | iseon | tried a second time, for some reason it didn't work the first haha |
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| 06:43.21 | valdyn | iseon: that script in /etc/init.d/ needs to be gone, it does not really exist |
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| 06:44.29 | iseon | valdyn: oh thanks for reminding me |
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| 06:44.42 | iseon | valdyn: you're the best! thanks |
| 06:44.57 | iseon | system fixed now I think ! after removing all of /lib by mistake |
| 06:44.59 | iseon | haha |
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| 06:47.55 | x86_64 | i have a computer which does not have access to the internet |
| 06:48.13 | x86_64 | What form of debian do i install on it? |
| 06:48.24 | x86_64 | Do I download all 3 DVDs? |
| 06:48.50 | iseon | if you want the full debian system, yes |
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| 06:49.00 | x86_64 | ok... |
| 06:49.03 | swift110-phone | Cool |
| 06:49.09 | iseon | you only need the first dvd to install a working system tho |
| 06:49.09 | x86_64 | and how can i get software without the internet? |
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| 06:49.17 | x86_64 | apt-get install will get it from the net |
| 06:49.39 | iseon | it is set up so that apt-get will install from DVDs, after install |
| 06:49.45 | iseon | by default |
| 06:50.20 | x86_64 | ok... |
| 06:50.32 | x86_64 | but what will happen if i try to: "apt-get install something" |
| 06:50.39 | x86_64 | will that something be on one of those DVDs? |
| 06:50.48 | x86_64 | say: virtualbox, wine, etc. ? |
| 06:51.07 | iseon | yes it looks for one of the packages on the dvds first |
| 06:51.24 | iseon | not sure how to find out exactly what packages the DVDs contain though. |
| 06:51.31 | iseon | I always connect to internet and install |
| 06:51.36 | iseon | But it is supposed to work that way I think |
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| 06:52.00 | x86_64 | well... |
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| 06:52.07 | x86_64 | i really can't connect to the internet. |
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| 06:52.12 | iseon | (I always have to delete the dvd/cd entries in apt/sources.list after install) |
| 06:52.28 | iseon | so you should be able to get most packages u need from the dvds if u download them all |
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| 06:52.59 | x86_64 | ok |
| 06:53.14 | x86_64 | also: |
| 06:53.22 | x86_64 | my computer only has 1 dvd drive |
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| 06:54.09 | x86_64 | can i set up a small, open FTP server in the intranet of 4 computers in my room and extract all contents of 3 dvds and link apt to that? |
| 06:54.23 | x86_64 | actually, rather: |
| 06:54.42 | x86_64 | can i extract the contents of all DVDs onto the computer and let apt read from there? |
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| 06:55.26 | iseon | x86_64: since I have never tried this im not qualified to answer tbh, but it sounds to me like this should be possible... perhaps u can search internet/debian docs for it |
| 06:55.29 | planetmaker | x86_64, you do not need more than 1 dvd drive - you can swap them during install. iirc you'll even be asked to do so |
| 06:56.31 | shay_shay | x86_64: you really dont have internet? |
| 06:56.47 | iseon | planetmaker: but what if he doesnt want EVERY package, and wants to install packages later as he needs them with apt-get? |
| 06:56.54 | warsh | should I use adduser or useradd? |
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| 06:57.05 | shay_shay | adduser |
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| 06:57.23 | warsh | thanks shay_shay |
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| 06:57.28 | x86_64 | shay_shay: i do, but... the computer in mention is in a room that does not have connection to the internet, but does have a router which connects up to 4 computers making a small intranet network |
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| 06:58.01 | x86_64 | planetmaker: i'm not talking about during install of debian, but during install of other packages later on as i use it. |
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| 06:58.46 | shay_shay | x86_64: then why dont you make a mirror on one of the computers it connects to which do have internet? or all four computers are without internet? |
| 06:59.01 | iseon | x86_64: here is a forum posts which explains how to do what u want |
| 06:59.02 | iseon | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=103934 |
| 06:59.08 | iseon | post* |
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| 06:59.10 | x86_64 | shay_shay: all four computers do not have internet |
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| 07:00.41 | aspect | if you leave the dvd entries in sources.list, apt-get will prompt for which disc it needs at (package) install time |
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| 07:01.53 | x86_64 | okay thx |
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| 07:01.58 | x86_64 | g2g |
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| 07:16.39 | shay_shay | TheLizardKing: yo |
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| 07:18.22 | warsh | shay_shay: yo |
| 07:18.48 | shay_shay | waiting for build deps to install |
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| 07:36.27 | aspect | okay, I feel like I really should know this .. but hth does iceweasel decide what's a good application to offer for opening an attachment? ... and why does it sometimes suggest wine notepad and wine internet explorer?? |
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| 07:37.50 | shay_shay | aspect: what desktop are you using? |
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| 07:38.38 | aspect | spectrwm with no session manager |
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| 07:41.29 | aspect | refined question: what do I read to understand how xdg-open makes decisions? |
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| 07:41.47 | saloma_ | hello :) anybody here can help a noob with timetrex lamp ? |
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| 07:49.10 | aspect | ... sh -x tells me that xdg-mime is not giving a result and it's falling back to mimeopen. That might be closer |
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| 07:56.46 | aspect | ok, so I've tracked it down to .desktop files and mimeinfo.cache. Still no idea which of the myriad locations for .desktop files are inspected, in what order, or how priorities get assigned |
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| 07:58.11 | aspect | finds freedesktop.org a vortex of useless information ("Priority for applications is handled external to the .desktop files."), but will be happy to be shown a helpful resource that makes things clear |
| 07:58.29 | shay_shay | i bet you will |
| 07:58.34 | shay_shay | ;) |
| 08:01.03 | aspect | archwiki's already proving helpful :) |
| 08:01.50 | shay_shay | it usually does |
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| 08:02.41 | aspect | I have to learn to look there first. |
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| 08:03.04 | robert83a1 | hi all , I have here debian 6.0 , trying to install systemimager-server on it...says it needs binutils,rsync, libappconfig-per etc... but they are not installable |
| 08:03.09 | shay_shay | i usually go arch wiki>debian wiki>gentoo wiki |
| 08:03.26 | robert83a1 | I tried apt-get install binutils... says no package... I tried apt-get install rsync...says no package again... |
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| 08:04.18 | aspect | my usual techniques of trying man pages and project-run sites are powerless against fdo magic :( |
| 08:04.21 | moetunes | try apt-get search package |
| 08:04.47 | z8z | so debian 8 is really releasing within this month? |
| 08:04.52 | robert83a1 | says invalid command... someone else installed this debian 6.0 |
| 08:04.59 | robert83a1 | wtf... |
| 08:05.06 | shay_shay | z8z: s/month/week |
| 08:05.33 | z8z | shay_shay: nice |
| 08:05.57 | shay_shay | z8z: of course nothing is stopping you from installing it now |
| 08:06.27 | shay_shay | its not going to be magically more stable when they announce it as "stable" |
| 08:07.05 | z8z | shay_shay: installing the RC now and then updating doesn't have any difference internally with the stable release DVD? |
| 08:07.37 | z8z | i mean i can just change repos now and dist-upgrade? |
| 08:07.38 | shay_shay | nope, z8z, it wont |
| 08:07.40 | themill | z8z: a couple of security updates at most and a very slight difference in the installer scripts for some EFI things. |
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| 08:08.49 | z8z | themill: is there a correspondent command of the ubuntu do-release-upgrade or i should just change repos and dist-upgrade? |
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| 08:09.09 | z8z | themill: which is best method to upgrade? |
| 08:09.57 | shay_shay | z8z: if you install with the jessie installer you wont need to change anything in your sources.list to update |
| 08:10.08 | shay_shay | just update and dist-upgrade |
| 08:10.39 | shay_shay | oh, you're looking to upgrade from wheezy |
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| 08:10.46 | z8z | shay_shay: so the installer DVD has the upgrade function? |
| 08:10.54 | z8z | shay_shay: yes |
| 08:11.12 | shay_shay | no, sorry my bad, yes you just change every instance of wheezy in your sources.list to jessie |
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| 08:11.57 | themill | z8z: you should read the release notes. |
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| 08:16.25 | andry | hi folks :-) can someone confirm apache 2.4 is currently not available in wheezy-backports? |
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| 08:17.00 | jelly | andry: confirmed |
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| 08:17.35 | andry | thanks! i thought i messed up apt or sth |
| 08:17.47 | andry | this happened exactly when i changed some pinning preferences |
| 08:18.12 | jelly | andry: there never was a backport of 2.4 afaik |
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| 08:18.36 | saloma_ | can anybody help with lamp server ? php seems to die. test page works fine, but timetrex.ini.php don't work at all. just get "access denied" as default for php dies |
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| 08:19.13 | andry | i installed it just a few days ago from backports, now i was trying that on another system too |
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| 08:20.41 | drzacekmobi | hi |
| 08:20.51 | GunnerWolf | I'm having a problem trying to install packages on debian, whenever I do it asks me to insert the disc labeled 'Debian GNU/Linux 7 _Wheezy_ - Official Snapshot amd64 LIVE/INSTALL Binary 2015 0114-06:14'. Do I need to redownload the live image and mount it on my USB again? If so why is it suddenly needing this when it's been working fine for the past 3 days? |
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| 08:21.55 | drzacekmobi | I installed basic debian distro on my thinclient from usb stick. After login I wanted to istall openssh server from usb but it insists on using cdrom |
| 08:22.35 | drzacekmobi | is there a way to install package from that boot usb or file? no network here |
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| 08:23.22 | z8z | shay_shay: ok i'm going to upgrade.... so changing repos and upgrade now is same as when stable is issued except some bug fixed but that's all right? |
| 08:24.18 | shay_shay | z8z: and if you dist-upgrade again in a week and youll be up to date with any fixes |
| 08:25.07 | z8z | shay_shay: yeah of course... i meant that too :D |
| 08:25.24 | shay_shay | z8z: have you seen the release notes? https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/release-notes/ |
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| 08:38.20 | robert83a1 | any idea why I dont have binutils with debian 6.0 I changed apt-get sources to stable.... everywhere... |
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| 08:43.24 | jasabella | where do i set system-wide env vars? |
| 08:44.14 | jasabella | oh in my .profile hmm |
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| 08:46.11 | shay_shay | jasabella: /etc/environment or /etc/profile.d/ |
| 08:46.21 | shay_shay | ~.profile is not system wide :) |
| 08:46.21 | apt | ...but .profile is already something else... |
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| 08:48.52 | GunnerWolf | nevermind my previous issue, I found that all I needed to do was remove the cdrom from the sources.list. |
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| 08:50.13 | jasabella | .profile is for login shells only it seems :) |
| 08:50.24 | jasabella | /etc/environment doesnt seem to exist :D |
| 08:50.33 | jasabella | wasnt sure if it was something debian supported |
| 08:50.34 | jasabella | but ok |
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| 08:51.20 | talsin | can anyone tell me what files i need to edit so dhclient doesnt overwrite my dns server in resolve.conf ? |
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| 09:00.49 | tdn | I have a bunch of shellscripts and python programs that I maintain in subversion and use on various systems. I would like a central way of distributing these. What would you recommend? Make /usr/local/bin an SVN working copy? Or make a debian package to distribute them? |
| 09:01.43 | aspect | talsin, udhcpc |
| 09:02.01 | SynrGy | tdn: make a debian package. it's not terribly hard. |
| 09:02.51 | sunbeam | MX Record of a domain, "points to:" what domain should this be? Simply my example.com domain where my site/mail server runs on? |
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| 09:03.05 | SynrGy | tdn: easier for you to track what version of what you have where, and can specify dependencies |
| 09:03.12 | aspect | talsin, more usefully https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#The_resolvconf_program |
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| 09:03.45 | talsin | i will take a look thanks |
| 09:04.05 | SynrGy | tdn: plus if you haven't done it before, it gives you a Useful Skill :) |
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| 09:07.30 | CeBe | can somebody tell me why openssl libraries are hidden in a subfolder instead of just placed in /usr/lib ? found them in /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ instead. |
| 09:07.54 | CeBe | debian 7.8 wheezy |
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| 09:09.46 | SynrGy | multiarch support |
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| 09:10.40 | SynrGy | CeBe: but don't worry, that's not a problem. ld will still find them: |
| 09:10.44 | SynrGy | /etc/ld.so.conf.d/x86_64-linux-gnu.conf |
| 09:11.02 | CeBe | I have a problem with php not finding them |
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| 09:11.25 | SynrGy | then you are probably missing some php binding for them |
| 09:11.38 | SynrGy | are you using the debian packages for php? |
| 09:11.42 | CeBe | no, I am trying to complie PHP and it does not find the libs |
| 09:12.11 | CeBe | so it seems php is not aware of multiarch support |
| 09:12.19 | SynrGy | must be doing something wrong. examine the debian php packages and figure out what. |
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| 09:13.15 | SynrGy | it shouldn't explicitly look in /usr/lib, but rely instead on ld.so to sort out where libraries are kept |
| 09:13.15 | CeBe | SynrGy: as I know the reason now, I could figure out how to make PHP find it. thanks! |
| 09:13.23 | SynrGy | great |
| 09:14.34 | afx237 | anyone know of a way to get a list of packages that were updated in the previous month? i was thinking of just doing a "dpkg -l > 2015-03.txt" or something each month then doing a text diff to compare them. but maybe there's a better way? |
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| 09:15.23 | tdn | SynrGy, OK. I want to learn. Where do I start? |
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| 09:16.15 | elcheckito | is there a repo of files like /usr/bin/service that i may submit a "pull request" to? or.. how do i go about proposing a change to that file? |
| 09:16.34 | z8z | Problem updating repos from wheezy to jessie: W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.tsukuba.wide.ad.jp/debian/dists/jessie/main/i18n/Translation-en Hash Sum mismatch |
| 09:16.37 | z8z | E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead. |
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| 09:17.17 | z8z | they are updating those? that's why i got that problem? |
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| 09:18.39 | themill | z8z: it could easily just be that mirror is not very well maintained. It has a few inconsistencies on it at the moment. You'd be better off with http.debian.net as a mirror redirector in any case. |
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| 09:20.11 | tdn | SynrGy, found this: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/index.en.html |
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| 09:24.53 | SynrGy | tdn: other topics you could msg the bot: |
| 09:24.56 | SynrGy | !nmg |
| 09:24.57 | dpkg | The packaging tutorial (http://deb.li/QYyI) and the New Maintainer's Guide (http://deb.li/3DiDA) are good places to start learning about Debian packaging. You should also ask me about <devref> and <policy> to understand how packages should be maintained and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <best practices> <build without helper>. http://www.debian.org/devel/ |
| 09:25.09 | SynrGy | and another couple of links there |
| 09:25.44 | SynrGy | tdn: lots of help. also, there is #debian-mentors @ irc.oftc.net for packaging questions |
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| 09:30.06 | kevr | Hello. I'm trying to setup CGit with nginx and fastcgi. I've previously set it up successfully on Arch Linux, but I'm having a headache setting it up on my Debian box. I can't seem to find any definitive guide on setting it up properly. |
| 09:32.26 | phix | cgit? |
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| 09:35.04 | onur | kevr: I was using it with uwsgi, I can send you config files if you want |
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| 09:35.40 | kevr | onur: that may be beneficial; thanks |
| 09:35.57 | kevr | phix: yes, it's a website cgi framework for hosting git repository views and such |
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| 09:37.05 | onur | kevr: https://gist.github.com/onuraslan/29e70d1eb968f0c09809 |
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| 09:37.58 | shauramaxim | помогиÑе плз http://forum.ubuntu.ru/index.php?topic=260419.0 |
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| 09:39.21 | shauramaxim | +l http://forum.ubuntu.ru/index.php?topic=260419.0 |
| 09:39.49 | kevr | Hmm. |
| 09:40.05 | kevr | maybe i should just switch to uwsgi |
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| 09:40.25 | jelly | !ru |
| 09:40.25 | dpkg | ÐÑо английÑкоговоÑÑÑий канал, пожалÑйÑÑа, говоÑиÑе по-английÑки или поÑеÑиÑе #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian) |
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| 09:42.05 | foreverska | I can't get xorg to accept my keyboard settings permanently and I don't understand. setxkbmap and localectl are both on board but after a restart I can't use alt shift toggle. |
| 09:43.10 | jelly | foreverska: is the releavant xkb option set in /etc/default/keyboard ? |
| 09:43.39 | foreverska | grp:alt_shift_toggle yea |
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| 09:44.09 | jelly | dunno then |
| 09:44.12 | jelly | !keymap |
| 09:44.12 | dpkg | Run "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" to change both your default console and X keymap; the setxkbmap utility can be used to adjust keymap settings during X operation. For setting up X keymaps, see xkeycaps, xev and ask me about <multimedia keys>. |
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| 09:44.21 | jelly | you probably did that already |
| 09:45.17 | foreverska | Yea |
| 09:46.00 | jelly | foreverska: are you using a Desktop Environment of some sort in X? I know KDE has its own xkb settings. Gnome probably has its own as well. |
| 09:46.00 | foreverska | The other weird thing is when it's working it switches keymaps back to qwerty anytime I switch window focus |
| 09:46.10 | foreverska | Openbox |
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| 09:49.47 | kevr | onur: how about your uwsgi config for cgit? |
| 09:50.19 | onur | thats all you need, its in the page uwsgi.conf |
| 09:50.41 | kevr | ah, for sure, thanks |
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| 09:52.10 | phix | kevr: ok cool |
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| 09:54.18 | onur | kevr: I added compilation settings: cgit.conf |
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| 09:57.04 | elcheckito | sorry i was asking.. how do i submit a pull request to change a file like /usr/sbin/service |
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| 09:59.49 | jelly | elcheckito: file a bug report and attach your patch? |
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| 10:03.40 | themill | elcheckito: "debcheckout sysvinit-utils" is a good start |
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| 10:09.55 | petn-randall | themill: Ah, I didn't know about that one. Thanks for the tip! |
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| 10:14.19 | tdn | SynrGy, thanks. |
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| 10:34.14 | CeBe | SynrGy: turned out I was missing pkg-config, after installing pkg-config the configure script was able to find the lib |
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| 10:35.16 | blackflow | what the hell, there's no RoundCube in Jessie?! |
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| 10:36.44 | CeBe | blackflow: php libraries normally rely on their own package management i.e. composer in this case |
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| 10:37.17 | themill | blackflow: it wasn't stable or maintainable enough to be in a stable debian release |
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| 10:37.30 | petn-randall | blackflow: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/roundcube, it has open security problems, amongst other things. |
| 10:37.39 | z8z | Hello i'm back with the new debian jessie but settings->displays doesn't detect displays anymore |
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| 10:38.07 | z8z | so i don't know how to configure external screen |
| 10:39.04 | blackflow | petn-randall: so does the version in wheezy and it's still there... eh, I'll just take it from sid |
| 10:39.18 | blackflow | CeBe: roundcube is not a library |
| 10:39.38 | petn-randall | blackflow: Packages don't get kicked out of a release if they're buggy. |
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| 10:39.50 | CeBe | blackflow: yea sorry, wrong wording, I meant php packages in general |
| 10:40.24 | blackflow | is there any maintainable alternative that's not squirrelmail or horde? |
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| 10:41.44 | blackflow | petn-randall: does that mean that Roundcube will never get included in Jessie now, even when those bugs get fixed? |
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| 10:59.36 | mrcirca | Hello, i have a problem about Network Manager and nameservers |
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| 10:59.58 | mrcirca | i am using Debian Jessie |
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| 11:08.55 | dob1 | hi, i installed xrdp on debian wheezy, it is normal that the service is disable by default? |
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| 11:10.31 | SynrGy | dob1: check /etc/default/xrdp |
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| 11:11.10 | dob1 | SynrGy, nothing strange |
| 11:11.28 | dkCR | EMACS > VI |
| 11:11.42 | dob1 | SynrGy, when you install some service, often(always) you see that it start the init.d script tu run it |
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| 11:13.58 | SynrGy | dob1: notice the RESTART_ON_UPGRADE=no ? |
| 11:14.18 | SynrGy | dob1: it explicitly doesn't restart because it could take down an existing session someone is logged into |
| 11:14.26 | SynrGy | much like gdm3 and related |
| 11:15.36 | dob1 | SynrGy, i was looking at /etc/rc2.d i see K01xrdp -> ../init.d/xrdp , so it doesn't start |
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| 11:22.44 | DingoSaar | Hi, I got a problem: I just upgraded from wheezy to jessie. I used mod-gnutls in apache2; AFAIK it was removed from jessie. |
| 11:23.09 | DingoSaar | What is the recommended way to enable tls sites in apache2.4 in jessie? |
| 11:23.12 | SynrGy | dob1: strange. not the case here. but then i'm on jessie |
| 11:23.24 | SynrGy | dob1: anyway, can be fixed with update-rc.d |
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| 11:23.37 | SynrGy | dob1: possibly dpkg-reconfigure xrdp? |
| 11:23.40 | SynrGy | dunno |
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| 11:24.07 | mrcirca | i have problem about wireless |
| 11:24.32 | SynrGy | ,v libapache2-mod-gnutls |
| 11:24.33 | judd | Package: libapache2-mod-gnutls on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.5.6-1+squeeze1; squeeze-security-lts: 0.5.6-1+squeeze2; wheezy: 0.5.10-1.1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 0.5.10-1.1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 0.5.10-1.1+deb7u1; sid: 0.6-1.3 |
| 11:24.39 | mrcirca | i can connect to facebook but i cant update or install packages |
| 11:24.56 | mrcirca | i use debian jessie |
| 11:25.29 | dob1 | insserv: warning: current start runlevel(s) (empty) of script `xrdp' overrides LSB defaults (2 3 4 5). insserv: warning: current stop runlevel(s) (0 1 2 3 4 5 6) of script `xrdp' overrides LSB defaults (0 1 6). |
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| 11:26.41 | SynrGy | i forget how to ask judd bot why something was removed |
| 11:26.59 | SynrGy | mrcirca: |
| 11:27.00 | SynrGy | !bat |
| 11:27.00 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 11:27.25 | SynrGy | dob1: sounds broken to me. what version of xrdp? |
| 11:27.43 | dob1 | SynrGy, the one in wheezy |
| 11:27.59 | dob1 | 0.5.0-2 |
| 11:28.09 | SynrGy | ,v xrdp |
| 11:28.10 | judd | Package: xrdp on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.5.0~20100303cvs-6; wheezy: 0.5.0-2; sid: 0.6.1-2; jessie: 0.6.1-2 |
| 11:28.15 | SynrGy | humm |
| 11:28.25 | mrcirca | SynrGy:yes |
| 11:28.28 | DingoSaar | ,v html-helper-mode |
| 11:28.29 | judd | Package: html-helper-mode on amd64 -- squeeze: 3.0.4kilo-2; wheezy: 3.0.4kilo-2 |
| 11:28.38 | DingoSaar | ,v css-helper-mode |
| 11:28.39 | judd | No package named 'css-helper-mode' was found in amd64. |
| 11:28.40 | SynrGy | dob1: did you have a non-debian version installed before? |
| 11:28.43 | DingoSaar | ,v css-mode |
| 11:28.44 | judd | Package: css-mode on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.11-7; squeeze: 0.11-7 |
| 11:29.12 | dob1 | SynrGy, no, never installed before |
| 11:29.29 | SynrGy | DingoSaar: please message the bot if it's only for your own info. the public form of addressing the bot is for use between helpers and helpees. thanks |
| 11:29.44 | DingoSaar | TNX |
| 11:29.51 | mrcirca | SynrGy:with ethernet it's normal but with wireless it seems have problem |
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| 11:30.38 | DingoSaar | mo |
| 11:30.58 | SynrGy | mrcirca: "yes" isn't an answer to the info requested above. |
| 11:31.01 | DingoSaar | apache2-mod-gnutls: should I try to backport it from sid, or try to install the wheezy deb? |
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| 11:31.26 | SynrGy | mrcirca: also, i have to leave, so please address the channel once you've prepared a paste using paste.debian.net that contains the info requested above via dpkg bot |
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| 11:31.57 | SynrGy | DingoSaar: i'm sure there's some alternative. i've just run out of time to investigate. |
| 11:31.59 | mrcirca | maybe has problem with ns |
| 11:32.06 | SynrGy | DingoSaar: this seems vaguely familiar |
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| 11:32.39 | DingoSaar | TNX, I will try on... hopefully when Jessie stabilises, there will be more on that subject... |
| 11:32.55 | SynrGy | mrcirca: ah. well, i missed the bit about ethernet working. maybe wireless doesn't function at all and you are only seeing cached facebook page? |
| 11:33.11 | SynrGy | DingoSaar: release notes for jessie, maybe? |
| 11:33.24 | SynrGy | !jessie release notes |
| 11:33.24 | dpkg | Release notes for Debian 8 "Jessie" are at http://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/releasenotes . See also <wheezy->jessie>, <jessie install guide> |
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| 11:34.02 | DingoSaar | tnx, perhaps I overread something there... |
| 11:35.03 | SynrGy | well, it might not be a big enough issue to warrant a mention |
| 11:35.23 | SynrGy | in that case, you might just have to cast your net further than irc to find an answer. |
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| 11:35.31 | SynrGy | there's the debian-user mailing list, for instance. |
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| 11:36.01 | SynrGy | i gotta scoot. get myself out the door to work. later, folks |
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| 11:37.12 | SynrGy | dob1: i would verify the init script really does have a broken LSB header and file a bug. preferably bug plus patch. ... unless you find after purging the package, checking that there's no /etc/init.d/xrdp, and reinstalling, that it installs a different init script than you previously had |
| 11:37.17 | DingoSaar | I fear it will be an issue for many server admins who use apache |
| 11:37.26 | SynrGy | dob1: might be worth a try to do that first |
| 11:37.30 | SynrGy | waves bye |
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| 11:39.03 | dob1 | SynrGy,apt-get install --reinstall ? |
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| 11:43.50 | GunnerWolf | So, what benefits does updating the Kernel provide? |
| 11:44.30 | GunnerWolf | currently running Linux 3.2.0, a lot of people have suggested I update to 3.16/3.18/3.19 |
| 11:44.38 | Walex | GunnerWolf: security fixes primarily, bug fixes secondarily, and in many cases newer/more drivers. |
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| 11:48.38 | Iridos | debian backports security fixes |
| 11:49.03 | Iridos | so that's not an argument |
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| 11:49.40 | Iridos | and if you're not missing any drivers, then you'll most likely not benefit from newer/more drivers |
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| 12:05.46 | elcheckito | jelly: themill: thank you i'll do that :) |
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| 12:06.16 | elcheckito | more or less.. when is jessie going stable? |
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| 12:08.38 | petn-randall | blackflow: Yes, that's true. But someone might make a jessie-backports package if it is in a better state in the future. |
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| 12:09.38 | Brigo | elcheckito, April, 25th |
| 12:10.46 | petn-randall | !tell elcheckito -about wwjr |
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| 12:16.08 | trewas | under half year of freeze this time, that's much better than the last release |
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| 12:36.37 | ahoppp | Hi! |
| 12:36.45 | ahoppp | Would you use that to auto mount USB sticks : https://wiki.debian.org/usbmount ? |
| 12:36.51 | ahoppp | It seems unmaintained ... |
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| 12:39.14 | petn-randall | ahoppp: Most desktop environments bring their own mechanisms to do so. |
| 12:39.31 | ahoppp | petn-randall: I use no desktop |
| 12:39.36 | ahoppp | server |
| 12:39.40 | ahoppp | it's for an embedded computer |
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| 12:39.59 | ahoppp | with a user USB slot |
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| 12:49.50 | Walex | ahoppp: I used 'autofs5' with an unmount timeout |
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| 12:50.05 | ahoppp | why 5? |
| 12:50.54 | Walex | ahoppp: http://www.sabi.co.uk/blog/anno06-3rd.html#060928 |
| 12:51.02 | Walex | ahoppp: autofs5 is the current version. |
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| 12:51.36 | ahoppp | ok |
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| 13:00.48 | ahoppp | How to know the boot time |
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| 13:03.40 | ahoppp | Walex: do you do apt-get install autofs5 |
| 13:03.43 | ahoppp | ? |
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| 13:04.21 | ahoppp | The funny thing is that this "autofs5" installs (dependencies) python, SQLite , etc. |
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| 13:04.24 | ahoppp | Why? lol |
| 13:04.43 | ahoppp | I would have installed python anyway, but why does autofs require that? |
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| 13:09.45 | Iridos | aho.... |
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| 13:12.18 | bartolo | hi, I'm trying to boot debian on a cubox-i. I've this http://pastebin.com/V9e8pSLt boot.scr. But it fails on this command load ${device} ${partition} ${ramdiskaddr} ${pathprefix}initrd.img-${kvers}, by debugging it i found out that ramdiskaddr is undefined. How could i find out the correct value? (if this is the problem) |
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| 13:12.31 | iseon | does anyone know a way that I can try out gnome 3.16 in debian? (without compiling everything) i.e a repository or downloadable packages |
| 13:13.03 | bartolo | (I'm using u-boot) |
| 13:13.05 | petn-randall | ,v gnome3 |
| 13:13.06 | judd | No package named 'gnome3' was found in amd64. |
| 13:13.54 | iseon | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:14.19 | petn-randall | ,v gnome |
| 13:14.20 | judd | Package: gnome on amd64 -- squeeze: 1:2.30+7; wheezy: 1:3.4+7+deb7u1; jessie: 1:3.14+3; sid: 1:3.14+3 |
| 13:14.45 | Iridos | hm, he's gone... but actually, when I run "apt-rdepends -f Depends,PreDepends,Recommends autofs5|less" ... indeed, python seems to turn up in the list for no reason |
| 13:15.08 | petn-randall | iseon: There's no trivial way to do this. I'm sure Gnome has some live image to try out in a VM. |
| 13:15.09 | iseon | petn-randall: was released a month ago but not included yet |
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| 13:15.16 | Iridos | oh, perhaps it follows recommends, but doesn't display them |
| 13:15.41 | themill | itym aptitude why |
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| 13:16.15 | Iridos | ah... nfs-common recommends it |
| 13:16.26 | iseon | petn-randall: thx anyways :) |
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| 13:17.18 | Iridos | themill, I don't even have autofs installed :) and I don't think "aptitude why python" would show the obscure link with autofs :) |
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| 13:17.37 | iseon | the only way I can think of is add ubuntu staging repositories, but will most likely break some dependencies |
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| 13:18.03 | themill | Iridos: umm... "aptitude why autofs python" most certainly will |
| 13:18.13 | themill | ,why autofs python |
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| 13:18.16 | judd | Packages autofs and python in wheezy/amd64 are linked by 1 chains: autofs â· nfs-common â· python |
| 13:18.20 | themill | or the bot will. |
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| 13:24.04 | Iridos | themill, \o/ |
| 13:24.21 | Iridos | themill, well, pity the chap's gone, now that his question was so thoroughly answered :P |
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| 13:26.39 | nyavek | Hey guys, I'm having issues with suspend/hibernate on my laptop. It freezes after these two. It's able to lock correctly. There's also an issue that it doesn't shut down completely sometimes. The screen will go blank, but power will still be on. Can anyone help me out? |
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| 13:27.22 | themill | dpkg: tell sonant about root |
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| 13:29.18 | sonant | test |
| 13:29.21 | sonant | thank you |
| 13:29.27 | sonant | for pointing that out |
| 13:29.45 | sonant | warning: incoming question; how do i start a service after an interface is fully up? (eg. it has an ip on the local router and has internet) i've edited my program's service files, writt |
| 13:29.50 | sonant | en them from scratch, added one line at a time and rebooted a dozen times. Still, when the service runs, it echoes "ip a" into test.txt, and test.txt shows that the interface was not up at all |
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| 13:31.40 | fraff | is there a package that contains the old lynx browser, the one with links a the bottom of the page ? |
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| 13:32.56 | nyavek | is anyone able to help me with my suspend/hibernate issue? |
| 13:33.08 | anddam | I have an i386 binary on an amd64 system, I tried to use ldd in order to see what libs are missing but ldd just says "not a dynamic executable". I tried looking for a :i386 package of libc-bin hoping that a 32bit ldd would help but had no luck |
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| 13:33.16 | anddam | what's the right way to figure out the missing libraries? |
| 13:33.33 | greycat | Did you do the dpkg add-architecture step yet? |
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| 13:35.44 | Leeloo | Bonjour je suis sous handylinux et je voudrais savoir comment on fait pour mettre à jour Chromium car je suis coincé à la version numéro 37... |
| 13:35.44 | anddam | absolutely not |
| 13:35.49 | greycat | !fr |
| 13:35.49 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr. |
| 13:35.51 | anddam | greycat: but for a reason |
| 13:35.55 | greycat | !tell anddam about multiarch |
| 13:36.04 | anddam | thanks |
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| 13:37.46 | otyugh | hey guys, would you know how to display in bash the content of the "copy/paste" buffers ? |
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| 13:37.53 | nyavek | is anyone able to help me with laptop suspend/hibernate issues for debian jessie? I freeze after these two, and shut down does not work completely sometimes - It will make the screen blank, but power is still on. |
| 13:38.16 | Leeloo | hi ! i have problem, i want to update chromium but the terminal say "O update and 0 installing" can u help me please ? |
| 13:38.28 | greycat | otyugh: try xclip |
| 13:38.35 | themill | otyugh: xclip |
| 13:38.42 | nyavek | Leeloo: does it say chromium is in it's latest version? |
| 13:38.43 | Leeloo | I use Handylinux |
| 13:38.57 | Leeloo | chromium is 37 version is not a latest version... )( |
| 13:38.59 | Leeloo | )( |
| 13:39.02 | Leeloo | =( |
| 13:39.15 | otyugh | xclip ? |
| 13:39.22 | otyugh | I just want a variable in bash |
| 13:39.23 | greycat | otyugh: yes, that's what we wrote |
| 13:39.28 | otyugh | $BUFFERNAME |
| 13:39.29 | greycat | it's not available as a variable |
| 13:39.35 | otyugh | no ? :( |
| 13:39.41 | mokuhon | Leeloo: wheezy? |
| 13:39.44 | greycat | bash is not an X client. it does not link with the X libs. |
| 13:39.49 | nyavek | HandyLinux isn't debian, it's based on debian no? |
| 13:40.07 | Leeloo | i don't know if it's wheezy but i think |
| 13:40.22 | jelly | ,v chromium |
| 13:40.23 | judd | Package: chromium on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.9.14.1-2; wheezy: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; jessie: 41.0.2272.118-1; sid: 42.0.2311.90-1 |
| 13:40.48 | jelly | chromium in wheezy hasn't seen updates in a while |
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| 13:41.10 | greycat | That's what happens with a stable release, especially when a new stable release is only days away. |
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| 13:42.27 | Leeloo | hum ok, i can't install the lastest version unstable ? |
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| 13:42.47 | greycat | If all you want is the latest version of chrome, you can use Google's debs of chrome instead of using chromium. |
| 13:42.53 | themill | chromium has been unsupported in wheezy for some months now |
| 13:43.22 | nyavek | is anyone able to help me with my hibernate/shutdown issues? Or at least point me in the direction of log files to ask a better question? =p |
| 13:43.27 | themill | (DSA-3148) |
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| 13:47.05 | jelly | themill: one wonders why it's available in the repo |
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| 13:47.43 | themill | all archs other than i386 and amd64 are unsupported but are still on the mirrors... |
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| 13:48.30 | themill | We've not had a point release since then in any case |
| 13:49.18 | nyavek | can anyone point me in the right direction to debug hibernate/suspend/shutdown issues in jessie? I'm getting a freeze on hibernate/suspend and shutdown won't power off sometimes |
| 13:50.11 | thms | How do I tell dpkg -i to install dependencies automatically ? |
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| 13:50.14 | thms | with a .deb |
| 13:50.18 | thms | trying to install blueJ |
| 13:50.36 | greycat | Dpkg doesn't do that. |
| 13:50.36 | dpkg | greycat: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 13:50.47 | greycat | damn it, bot. even capitalizing doesn't shut you up.... |
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| 13:51.03 | themill | (that would be because irc nicks are not case sensitive!) |
| 13:51.12 | themill | dpkg: tell thms about gdebi |
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| 13:52.50 | thms | greycat: there's no way to do it with apt or aptitude ? |
| 13:53.11 | mokuhon | thms: all you need is java I think |
| 13:53.14 | greycat | You didn't ask about apt. You asked about dpkg. |
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| 13:53.21 | mokuhon | thms: and some others. easy to install. not that much |
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| 13:54.31 | jelly | thms: if you have a .deb file outside of a repo, you can dpkg -i it, see that fail, then run apt-get -f install to make apt try to satisfy the dependencies |
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| 13:55.37 | thms | gdebi was the way. |
| 13:55.43 | thms | greycat: I know. |
| 13:55.53 | x86_64 | can I use Rufus to write debian image to a usb stick? |
| 13:56.01 | thms | jelly: ok :) |
| 13:56.15 | iseon | x86_64: yes |
| 13:56.23 | thms | thanks themill |
| 13:56.24 | x86_64 | thanx |
| 13:56.25 | greycat | What is rufus? Are you writing the USB from Linux, Windows, or something else? |
| 13:56.32 | x86_64 | windows |
| 13:56.46 | iseon | x86_64: ive tried it multiple times the past days and it always worked |
| 13:56.50 | iseon | with rufus |
| 13:56.56 | abrotman | dpkg: tell x86_64 about win32diskimager |
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| 13:59.15 | mintgreen | importError: No module named httplib2,how to fix this? |
| 13:59.48 | greycat | is that from python? |
| 14:00.05 | greycat | ,v python-httplib2 |
| 14:00.06 | judd | Package: python-httplib2 on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.6.0-4; wheezy: 0.7.4-2+deb7u1; jessie: 0.9+dfsg-2; sid: 0.9+dfsg-2 |
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| 14:00.45 | nyavek | where are hibernate/suspend errors logged in jessie? The suspend entry said /var/log/pm-suspend.log but I don't have anything there. |
| 14:00.57 | nyavek | entry in the wiki* |
| 14:01.15 | mintgreen | greycat , judd:thanx a lit |
| 14:01.18 | mintgreen | a lot* |
| 14:01.32 | judd | no worries |
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| 14:05.46 | greycat | Do you know what the best feature of jessie is? The best thing I've found so far? df output fits in a terminal again. |
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| 14:08.27 | nyavek_ | so I installed pm-utils and I have the pm-suspend.log now. Everything in the log looks ok but when I do sudo pm-suspend the screen just freezes. What can I try next? |
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| 14:09.00 | nyavek_ | It doesn't go to black - just freezes what's on it and won't resume. |
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| 14:09.42 | mintgreen | can a python script be added to statrtup apps directly or should it be invoked within a bash script? |
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| 14:10.19 | greycat | anything that can run a bash script via the shebang (#!/bin/bash) should be able to run a python script the same way (#!/usr/bin/python or whatever it is python uses) |
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| 14:12.30 | nyavek_ | What can I try next to help debug my suspend issues? |
| 14:13.39 | anddam | greycat: apart the multiarch setup how can I check what libraries is the ELF missing? |
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| 14:13.58 | greycat | well... you could ldd it on a native i386 distribution |
| 14:14.08 | greycat | just to see whether it's actually dynamic in the first place |
| 14:14.16 | anddam | but it conflicts with libc-bin |
| 14:14.29 | anddam | oh, "on a native" |
| 14:14.30 | greycat | I don't know what you mean by that. |
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| 14:15.07 | anddam | I mean that I tried to install libc-bin:i386 on my amd64 system in order to check libs were missing |
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| 14:15.20 | themill | It's the loader you need not a different /usr/bin/ldd (which is just a script) |
| 14:15.35 | greycat | You tried doing that by downloading it by hand, and dpkg -i'ing it, without doing the --add-architecture? Because of some unstated reason? |
| 14:16.07 | anddam | no I tried to do that by running "aptitude install libc-bin:i386" after following the factoid on multiarch |
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| 14:16.34 | themill | Except that package is not relevant |
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| 14:16.49 | anddam | I'm not even sure that's useful, I just guessed that maybe amd64 ldd didn't "support" inspecting 32bit ELF |
| 14:16.58 | anddam | themill: what's the loader in that context? |
| 14:17.01 | greycat | My Debian box here has multiarch support but does NOT have an i386 libc-bin package installed. |
| 14:17.06 | themill | /lib/ld-linux.so.2 |
| 14:17.40 | greycat | which is in libc6:i386 |
| 14:17.41 | anddam | greycat: and can it inspect a 32bit executable? |
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| 14:19.00 | greycat | Yes. ldd on, say, Dwarf Fortress works fine. |
| 14:19.16 | anddam | themill: mm I don't even that file |
| 14:19.23 | anddam | I see from PDO it's libc6's |
| 14:19.25 | themill | anddam: I know. |
| 14:19.26 | greycat | You just need libc6:i386 not libc-bin:i386 |
| 14:19.49 | anddam | themill: that's what ldd needs in order to print info about an ELF? |
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| 14:19.57 | themill | tias? |
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| 14:22.38 | anddam | ah there it is, mine was more a rhetorical question and the next one would have been "why does it work with 64 bit executables if I don't have that file |
| 14:23.06 | anddam | now I see I have /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 |
| 14:23.09 | nyavek | https://01.org/linuxgraphics/documentation/how-debug-suspend-resume-issues-0 on this site - where am I supposed to be running the things it's telling me to run? |
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| 14:25.04 | nyavek | why is nobody responding to anything I've said.. |
| 14:25.09 | anddam | nyavek: pong |
| 14:25.14 | claint | i just got in the channel. |
| 14:25.15 | greycat | Personally, because I don't know anything about suspending. |
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| 14:25.38 | share | where is the guide so I can install debian using an existing linux install |
| 14:26.04 | nyavek | is there a better place I can ask my question? |
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| 14:26.37 | fireba11 | share: what you mean using an existing linux install? |
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| 14:26.40 | share | I have only found http://daemonkeeper.net/668/how-to-bootstrap-debian-over-another-running-linux-system/ |
| 14:26.49 | share | fireba11: install debian from archlinux |
| 14:26.54 | daemonkeeper | share: I can highly recommend that |
| 14:27.04 | share | daemonkeeper: why |
| 14:27.08 | daemonkeeper | It's a good tutorial! |
| 14:27.12 | share | ok! |
| 14:27.12 | anddam | nyavek: possibly it's not about the place but about the way you asked |
| 14:27.31 | share | daemonkeeper: but it could be oudated since it's from 2011 |
| 14:27.39 | daemonkeeper | meh |
| 14:27.45 | share | no? lol |
| 14:27.49 | daemonkeeper | Essentials do still apply. |
| 14:27.54 | share | ok |
| 14:27.57 | greycat | debootstrap shouldn't have changed all that much |
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| 14:28.14 | daemonkeeper | Also I know the author, he's smart. |
| 14:28.41 | jelly | daemonkeeper: and also humble? |
| 14:28.47 | daemonkeeper | jelly: Sometimes. |
| 14:28.53 | share | daemonkeeper: is that you? Lol |
| 14:28.57 | daemonkeeper | Yes. |
| 14:29.00 | share | xD |
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| 14:29.45 | share | the only thing I dislike is grub |
| 14:29.50 | share | I prefer syslinux |
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| 14:30.17 | jelly | dpkg, qotd292 is <reply><share> I have only found http://daemonkeeper.net/668/how-to-bootstrap-debian-over-another-running-linux-system/ <daemonkeeper> share: I can highly recommend that <share> daemonkeeper: why |
| 14:30.18 | dpkg | okay, jelly |
| 14:30.21 | themill | if you're doing enough with the bootloader to have a preference, you're doing it all wrong |
| 14:30.46 | anddam | greycat, themill: you, smooth penguin-devils |
| 14:30.48 | anddam | it works |
| 14:30.59 | nyavek | anddam: how can I ask a better question then? I've tried googling the issue and most of what I've found is related to other distros. |
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| 14:31.01 | jelly | Alexandro: switch off your script that does notices like "-Alexandro- You have been automatically ignored for 5 minutes due to Highlight Spam." in this channel, please |
| 14:31.01 | anddam | meaning ldd shows the bunch of libs I'm missing |
| 14:31.21 | petn-randall | nyavek: You're in the right channel, but maybe nobody reading it knows an answer. In that case just ask again an hour later or so. |
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| 14:32.15 | anddam | nyavek: but that's a good question, probably http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html will help anyway, now or in any future needs |
| 14:32.43 | share | daemonkeeper: "My goal is to replace a distribution in place without changing actual partition layout." but after installation I can delete all archlinux partitions and move debian root in the disk |
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| 14:32.53 | share | right |
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| 14:33.02 | anddam | nyavek: I know nearly nothing about suspend but you asked about error log, are you having errors at all? Is your chipset supported by your kernel? Have you checked dmesg? |
| 14:33.09 | petn-randall | share: How do you want to move the Debian root in the disk? |
| 14:33.17 | share | I mean move the root partition |
| 14:33.23 | anddam | I got a recent Intel chipset and I had to upgrade to Jessie to have it supported |
| 14:33.27 | petn-randall | share: Yeah, how do you want to do that? |
| 14:33.38 | share | if gparted can do it.. |
| 14:33.59 | petn-randall | share: You can't rewrite the partition table of where root resides on. Already told you that yesterday. |
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| 14:34.39 | petn-randall | share: The reason is your kernel won't re-read the partition table, because it might loose access to the root partition in the mean time. |
| 14:34.59 | claint | share: is there any stuff that you want to keep from your archlinux installation? |
| 14:35.02 | nyavek | anddam: I checked the error log and it looks fine - so it looks like it's suspending ok, just not resuming (probably a driver issue then?). I'm not sure - new to linux; and where can I check dmesg? |
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| 14:35.32 | qbit | hola |
| 14:35.34 | greycat | dmesg is a command; you just run it. Or you can read /var/log/dmesg* |
| 14:35.40 | anddam | nyavek: it's a program, you open a terminal and run it (should be in your PATH) |
| 14:35.42 | share | claint: no, but I wouldn't mind keep the sizes of partitions |
| 14:35.46 | share | same sizes |
| 14:35.49 | anddam | nyavek: also is this in Xorg or in console? |
| 14:35.55 | qbit | has anyone installed via dd'ing a iso to a second drive in a box? |
| 14:36.22 | qbit | I have dd'd to sdb.. but when I start the installer it "can't find the cdrom" - and sdb doesn't show up in dmesg to point the installer to |
| 14:36.30 | claint | share: so why don't you just install debian from CD, keeping your partitions with manual partitioning choosing during the install? |
| 14:36.52 | share | claint: because the computer can't boot from cd, dvd, floppy, usb |
| 14:36.54 | nyavek | anddam: both levels - looking at dmesg now |
| 14:37.03 | claint | share: ah ok. |
| 14:37.27 | claint | share: is it like a virtual machine somewhere far away? |
| 14:37.37 | anddam | nyavek: check if last lines have something useful, pipe the output of dmesg with the command "tail" |
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| 14:37.44 | anddam | nyavek: like dmesg | tail |
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| 14:38.12 | share | claint: no, it's an old machine next to me (and no I dont want to move the HDD to another computer= |
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| 14:38.37 | claint | share: no net boot either then? |
| 14:38.41 | share | no |
| 14:38.43 | share | old bios |
| 14:38.52 | nyavek | anddam: it's showing me things for internet - ethernet down, and wlan0 authenticating |
| 14:39.04 | claint | share: well, looks like you would have to bootstrap after all, so yeah. |
| 14:40.03 | share | daemonkeeper: I'll use swap space which is only 188.3M |
| 14:40.18 | share | "I will show how to shift data from this swap partition to the actual root file system later" |
| 14:40.19 | daemonkeeper | That's probably not enough |
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| 14:40.41 | share | home is 8.8gb |
| 14:40.53 | daemonkeeper | That for sure works, but then you lose all data in there |
| 14:40.54 | nyavek | anddam: i see in the log "starting manual resume from disk - hibernation image partition 8:5 present - looking for hibernation image - image not found code (-22) |
| 14:40.59 | share | daemonkeeper: I dont need it |
| 14:41.04 | daemonkeeper | Then use that |
| 14:41.17 | nyavek | anddam: hibernation image not present or could not be loaded |
| 14:41.25 | anddam | nyavek: I'd look that over the internet, but hibernation and suspend are not the same |
| 14:41.39 | share | daemonkeeper: "Swap space is not essential for Linux and can be detached from a running system" /home too right |
| 14:41.44 | anddam | btw I got my own problem with that, if I suspend the system on wakeup the USB bus is dead |
| 14:41.54 | daemonkeeper | Correct. You don't need /home. |
| 14:42.11 | daemonkeeper | But probably you need to log in as root first. |
| 14:42.18 | anddam | daemonkeeper: as long as you can hang your hat |
| 14:42.18 | daemonkeeper | i.e. not as user and su to root. |
| 14:43.42 | share | daemonkeeper: ok but from where do I get the Debian files needed |
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| 14:43.56 | nyavek | anddam: ok - and acpi is related to power right? |
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| 14:44.18 | share | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/debootstrap ? |
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| 14:44.40 | daemonkeeper | debootstrap is probably included in your distribution. |
| 14:44.43 | daemonkeeper | That's all you need. |
| 14:45.03 | anddam | nyavek: AFAIR yes |
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| 14:45.06 | share | daemonkeeper: I see it's available on AUR |
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| 14:48.03 | nyavek | anddam: does dmesg log everything? If I suspend then restart, will it log the entire boot process? |
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| 14:51.07 | anddam | nyavek: IIRC it reads a kernel buffer |
| 14:51.18 | anddam | it's not the same as syslog's log |
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| 14:51.28 | nyavek | ok |
| 14:51.43 | greycat | That's correct. dmesg reads kernel buffer stuff. The kernel may also log stuff via the syslog/klog interface, which then gets put into files, hopefully. |
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| 14:54.07 | share | daemonkeeper: do I unmount sda4 and then mkfs.ext4 /dev/sda4 ? |
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| 14:55.21 | share | umount: /home: target is busy |
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| 14:58.31 | e^0_ | are there any light weight debian based distribution ? |
| 14:58.39 | daemonkeeper | share: Hence I said, you need to log-in straight as root |
| 14:58.39 | NoImNotNineVolt | yes. debian. |
| 14:58.50 | mark_owen | +1 Debian |
| 14:59.03 | e^0_ | how small i can have the base image ? |
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| 14:59.28 | greycat | that's largely a question of how old a version of debian you can get to work on your hardware |
| 14:59.32 | petn-randall | e^0_: How small do you need it? |
| 14:59.41 | e^0_ | 100 MB ? |
| 14:59.51 | share | daemonkeeper: complicated |
| 15:00.00 | petn-randall | e^0_: And what do you want to do with it? |
| 15:00.28 | e^0_ | install that on my old machine |
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| 15:00.40 | e^0_ | p4 to be precise and run a file server |
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| 15:00.48 | share | daemonkeeper: I don't think I have root account enabled |
| 15:00.59 | daemonkeeper | So do it? |
| 15:01.03 | greycat | A file server would, you'd think, have some disk space available. |
| 15:01.06 | share | daemonkeeper: how |
| 15:01.08 | RoyK | share: default setup is enabled root account |
| 15:01.09 | share | im sshing |
| 15:01.29 | daemonkeeper | You want to get rid of the system anyway, just set a password for it, and make sure you allow SSH root login |
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| 15:01.41 | share | ok |
| 15:01.59 | Lope2 | any idea why pppoe-discovery doesn't work on my debian box anymore? http://codepad.org/Agetor3V Even with totally open iptables (iptables -F and -X on their own and for nat and mangle) and set policies to accept everything. pppoe-discovery can't find anything? |
| 15:02.08 | e^0_ | petn-randall: is it possible ? |
| 15:02.24 | petn-randall | e^0_: If you only have 100 MB, the use as file server is fairly limited. |
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| 15:02.49 | e^0_ | petn-randall: than what will be the minimal size ? |
| 15:02.52 | jvava | hi.i just now installed docker.all ok.but when i realise i have a small partition for root partition.i link var lib docker to another partition.but init.d starting didnot start docker.but starting manually is ok.any advice? |
| 15:02.56 | petn-randall | e^0_: You can get something like 64GB for $10 by now as an USB stick. |
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| 15:03.19 | petn-randall | e^0_: A minimal installation with fileserver is probably a few hundred megabytes. |
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| 15:04.02 | e^0_ | if i am installing only ftp or sftp i don't think it might take more space |
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| 15:05.05 | share | crap permission denied |
| 15:05.34 | share | root is enabled and it does have a password, permit root login yes |
| 15:05.38 | share | restarted sshd.. |
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| 15:06.43 | arielsanflo | help |
| 15:06.46 | arielsanflo | error |
| 15:06.56 | arielsanflo | root@arielsanflo:/home/arielsanflo# sudo apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 15:06.57 | arielsanflo | Leyendo lista de paquetes... ¡Error! |
| 15:06.57 | arielsanflo | E: Problem parsing dependency Pre-Depends |
| 15:06.57 | arielsanflo | E: Se produjo un error mientras se procesaba libwinpr-input0.1 (NewVersion2) |
| 15:06.57 | arielsanflo | E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/dpkg/status |
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| 15:07.28 | share | oh.. allow users |
| 15:07.50 | share | done |
| 15:08.15 | share | umount done |
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| 15:09.08 | arielsanflo | help |
| 15:09.10 | arielsanflo | http://paste.debian.net/168499/ |
| 15:09.17 | arielsanflo | error |
| 15:09.33 | arielsanflo | sudo apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 15:09.53 | greycat | arielsanflo: it sounds like your package list is corrupted. Try 'apt-get update' again? |
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| 15:10.15 | SynrG | arielsanflo: before you do that, please do it with: LC_ALL=C apt-get update |
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| 15:10.34 | SynrG | arielsanflo: we need the messages in english. prefix with LC_ALL=C fixes that |
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| 15:10.57 | arielsanflo | fine thanksd |
| 15:11.05 | arielsanflo | fine thanks |
| 15:11.12 | arielsanflo | i am from colombia |
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| 15:11.41 | greycat | Some of us can read Spanish a little bit, but English is preferred. |
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| 15:13.02 | arielsanflo | http://paste.debian.net/168502/ |
| 15:13.05 | arielsanflo | error |
| 15:13.26 | greycat | from what command? |
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| 15:13.47 | arielsanflo | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:14.04 | SynrG | my guess, broken /var/lib/dpkg/statuses |
| 15:14.06 | SynrG | er, status |
| 15:14.15 | greycat | that's... pretty bad, right? |
| 15:14.23 | SynrG | yes. but there are backups |
| 15:14.34 | Iridos | lots |
| 15:14.40 | SynrG | arielsanflo: maybe corrupt filesystem. check dmesg for errors. |
| 15:15.18 | SynrG | arielsanflo: diff /var/lib/dpkg/status-old /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 15:15.58 | SynrG | we will see if the corruption happened the last time it was updated, and also if you could just restore from the old version. |
| 15:16.25 | SynrG | for older versions, see /var/backups/dpkg.status* |
| 15:16.44 | SynrG | with luck, it's only the most recent version that is broken. |
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| 15:17.18 | SynrG | it is vitally important to see if the hard drive is throwing errors, though, as it could mean your drive is dying ... in which case it is a *very bad* time to be doing an upgrade. |
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| 15:18.01 | petn-randall | SynrG: I kid you not, as a RAID failed on my last job, my boss suggested to upgrade the machine to fix it. XD |
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| 15:18.23 | SynrG | petn-randall: holy ... |
| 15:18.45 | petn-randall | SynrG: I'm no longer working with that company, for so reasons. :) |
| 15:19.16 | SynrG | petn-randall: i'll say |
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| 15:21.43 | share | daemonkeeper: --arch i386 wheezy? |
| 15:21.55 | daemonkeeper | You need to know. |
| 15:22.12 | share | wheeee |
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| 15:24.43 | share | no sigs |
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| 15:24.59 | share | didn't install keyring stuff |
| 15:25.13 | daemonkeeper | You can ignore that for now. |
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| 15:26.40 | share | the machine's CPU is fast: 334Mhz |
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| 15:27.35 | arielsanflo | gedit /var/lib/dpkg/status |
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| 15:28.02 | arielsanflo | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:28.19 | arielsanflo | file 517 |
| 15:28.25 | share | ? |
| 15:28.36 | arielsanflo | sudo apt-get update |
| 15:28.39 | arielsanflo | good |
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| 15:28.48 | arielsanflo | list find |
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| 15:29.23 | likecolacola | is there a ranking of the games available in the repositories ? |
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| 15:30.22 | arielsanflo | http://paste.debian.net/168504/ |
| 15:30.26 | arielsanflo | error |
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| 15:30.48 | arielsanflo | find thanks for help |
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| 15:31.13 | arielsanflo | muchas gracias por su ayuda |
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| 15:32.03 | serard | Hello |
| 15:32.36 | g105b | Is is possible to have a local DNS server to point example.com to a local IP when connected to a specific LAN, but point to a public IP when not connected to that LAN? |
| 15:32.39 | Krakakanok | hello serard |
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| 15:33.23 | serard | I have a dumb question, I try to do this in a shell script : curl -X POST -H 'Content-Type: application/json' -H 'X-Api-Key: secret' -d '{ "hostname": "$VHOST", "ip": "$IP" }' http://ns.my.lan:4567/dns . Here variables $VHOSTÂ and $IP are not substitued with their valeus |
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| 15:34.50 | serard | Hmmmm, ok. http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/varsubn.html |
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| 15:37.27 | serard | I understand that ' will avoid variable substitution, but on my case I don't know nhat to do to work around this |
| 15:37.57 | greycat | serard: your "$foo" are all inside '...' and those outer '...' suppress the substitutions |
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| 15:38.20 | arielsanflo | sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386 |
| 15:38.26 | share | arielsanflo: stop the spam |
| 15:38.30 | arielsanflo | solution error |
| 15:38.35 | share | or stop spamming |
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| 15:39.05 | arielsanflo | fine thanks for help |
| 15:39.09 | Majikthise | serard: break the string and concatenate the variables instead: -d '{ "hostname": "'$VHOST'", "ip": "'$IP'" } |
| 15:39.14 | Majikthise | ' |
| 15:39.16 | arielsanflo | muchas gracias por su ayuda |
| 15:39.33 | serard | Ok I'll try something like this |
| 15:39.37 | greycat | serard: there is no pretty answer. The least ugly answer is probably ... almost what Majikthise said, but Majikthise missed some quotes. |
| 15:40.05 | serard | yes get it ! Thank you greycat and Majikthise ;) |
| 15:40.06 | greycat | -d '{ "hostname": "'"$VHOST"'", "ip": "'"$IP"'" } |
| 15:40.08 | Majikthise | did I? yeah, probably did. I wonder if anyone's ever made a bash syntax-checker plugin for irssi ;) |
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| 15:40.25 | Majikthise | greycat: you missed a ' at the end |
| 15:40.29 | Majikthise | I think |
| 15:40.33 | greycat | it's not a syntax error, unfortunately. it's a subtle "it only breaks some of the time depending on the data" error. |
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| 15:40.55 | greycat | Majikthise: I pasted yours and then added the inner "" so yeah. |
| 15:41.03 | greycat | -d '{ "hostname": "'"$VHOST"'", "ip": "'"$IP"'" }' |
| 15:41.13 | Majikthise | oh yeah, I suppose it lets $VHOST muck things up if it contains a ; or a \n or something naughtier |
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| 15:41.46 | share | daemonkeeper: it's taking a lot of time to retrieve packages |
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| 15:46.29 | Tripout | hi, i just checked the hardware with the software "hardinfo". and usually i have a nvidia gtx560m with 2gb ram. but hardinfo says memory of the card is 128mb |
| 15:47.01 | Tripout | using the latest nvidia driver |
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| 15:50.33 | Tripout | i'm not sure if i have to use an bumblebee driver |
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| 15:52.25 | blackflow | so jessie switched to systemd but how come /etc/init.d/ is still full of init scripts? |
| 15:52.52 | blackflow | oh waitaminute, I upgraded from Wheezy... that's it, right? upgrade won't replace the init? |
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| 15:53.47 | sydney_untangle | blackflow: I have a fresh install of jessie and it has scripts in there also. |
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| 15:54.03 | sydney_untangle | \o/ |
| 15:55.00 | blackflow | sydney_untangle: I remember reading something about there being a difference between upgrading to and installing anew, not sure what was it about. init replacement? |
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| 15:55.52 | share | configuring.. |
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| 15:56.47 | jelly | blackflow: not all service-bringing packages have switched to systemd service definitions. In addition, sysvinit is still supported as an option. |
| 15:57.40 | neurosis- | is Jessie still on for release on Saturday |
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| 15:57.45 | share | "Base system installed successfully." |
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| 15:59.28 | share | "By default, only simple wired network connections are supported out of the box." oh crap |
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| 16:00.18 | petn-randall | !tell neurosis- -about wwjr |
| 16:01.18 | neurosis- | thanks |
| 16:01.22 | neurosis- | :-) |
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| 16:02.42 | blackflow | jelly: but I thought the whole point of it was to drop the shellscripts and maintain much simpler unit files. |
| 16:03.11 | share | daemonkeeper: how do I setup wireless |
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| 16:03.35 | share | doing apt-get update |
| 16:03.40 | share | doe |
| 16:03.42 | share | done |
| 16:05.04 | jelly | blackflow: and that may happen, with time |
| 16:05.33 | share | . |
| 16:05.42 | share | what kernel should I install |
| 16:05.46 | share | the guide is outdated |
| 16:06.15 | Tripout | hi, can somebody help me to answer my question if i have too use a bumblebee driver or not? |
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| 16:09.04 | share | linux-base? |
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| 16:12.52 | centrx | Tripout, as I recall it's for when you have a laptop with both a basic Intel card and a more powerful Nvidia card |
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| 16:13.51 | jhutchins_wk | Tripout: No, you don't have to use it. |
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| 16:14.07 | share | what is the linux-image* package for 32-bit? |
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| 16:14.26 | share | https://packages.debian.org/source/wheezy/linux |
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| 16:15.35 | centrx | share, you probably want linux-headers-3.2.0-4-686-pae |
| 16:15.50 | share | centrx: im following http://daemonkeeper.net/668/how-to-bootstrap-debian-over-another-running-linux-system/ |
| 16:15.55 | anddam | what's the proper way to add a custom application I manually installed to Xorg's menu? |
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| 16:16.20 | anddam | so that menu updates/auto-generation don't delete it and that is correctly categorized? |
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| 16:17.04 | share | centrx: there's linux-headers-3.2.0-4-all-i386 |
| 16:17.08 | anddam | possibly a desktop entry in /usr/local/share/applications ? |
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| 16:17.30 | centrx | share, ok looks like the analogous package would be linux-image-3.2.0-4-686-pae |
| 16:17.36 | centrx | share, -headers- was my mistake |
| 16:17.45 | blackflow | jelly: who's responsible for writing the unit scripts? debian package maintainers or the upstream? Because for example uwsgi has systemd units but it's an init script in Jessie. |
| 16:17.48 | jelly | anddam: probably make a .desktop file for it and put it... hm. |
| 16:17.58 | centrx | share, You need headers only if you need to compile things that require kernel headers |
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| 16:18.01 | share | centrx: "Linux 3.2 for modern PCs" |
| 16:18.17 | jelly | blackflow: the choice ultimately resides on the debian maintainer |
| 16:18.18 | share | what's the denition of a modern PC |
| 16:18.22 | share | definition |
| 16:18.36 | blackflow | jelly: I see, thanks. |
| 16:18.53 | centrx | share, yes, '486' and '686' are the kernels for 32-bit x86 |
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| 16:19.27 | centrx | share, 686 is newer/better, unless your processor extremely old like 15 years or more |
| 16:19.33 | share | I don't need pae |
| 16:19.43 | centrx | share, PAE is for supporting more memory on 32-bit |
| 16:19.53 | share | centrx: I only use 128mb |
| 16:19.59 | share | 118* |
| 16:19.59 | centrx | share, for some reason there doesn't seem to be a 686 package without PAE, so either including |
| 16:20.09 | anddam | jelly: yes, the desktop file I figured, I'm looking how to integrate that correctly |
| 16:20.10 | centrx | share, ok then it's possibly you have an older machine? should use 486? |
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| 16:20.19 | share | maybe |
| 16:20.27 | share | linux-image-3.2.0-4-486 |
| 16:20.31 | share | ill go for that |
| 16:20.32 | centrx | share, not sure if the PAE is a disadvantage, might just be an extra feature right? |
| 16:20.35 | share | no |
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| 16:21.05 | centrx | ah looks like it increases memory usage somewhat |
| 16:21.18 | centrx | share, 486 is fine, go for it |
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| 16:21.48 | share | E: Unable to locate package linux-image-3.2.0-4-486 |
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| 16:22.21 | share | oh it's 2.6.* |
| 16:22.33 | share | linux-image-2.6.32-5-486 |
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| 16:23.05 | centrx | share, what does your sources.list look like? |
| 16:23.16 | share | where is it located |
| 16:23.25 | centrx | /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 16:23.46 | share | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian squeeze main |
| 16:23.51 | share | should be wheezy |
| 16:24.10 | share | right? |
| 16:24.15 | centrx | it should be yes |
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| 16:24.24 | centrx | If you have installed squeeze, you'll have to upgrade the system to wheezy |
| 16:24.29 | centrx | which can be done in-place with apt |
| 16:24.38 | share | how |
| 16:24.46 | centrx | !squeeze->wheezy |
| 16:25.02 | centrx | dpkg, tell share about squeeze->wheezy |
| 16:25.04 | share | centrx: I ran debootstrap --arch i386 wheezy /mnt http://ftp.debian.org/debian |
| 16:25.20 | centrx | share, what does /etc/debian_version say ? |
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| 16:25.36 | centrx | I'm not really familiar with debootstrap |
| 16:25.38 | share | 6.0.10 |
| 16:25.41 | share | :( |
| 16:25.45 | centrx | that's weird |
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| 16:25.54 | centrx | well you have it now |
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| 16:26.15 | centrx | upgrade should be pretty quick if you have a fast connection and haven't installed too much stuff so far |
| 16:26.43 | share | centrx: im chroot |
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| 16:27.37 | jhutchins_wk | ,v openconnect |
| 16:27.38 | judd | Package: openconnect on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.25-0.1+squeeze2; squeeze-security: 2.25-0.1+squeeze2; wheezy: 3.20-4; sid: 6.00-2; jessie: 6.00-2 |
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| 16:29.39 | share | centrx: may I install syslinux instead of grub2 |
| 16:29.56 | centrx | it works |
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| 16:31.06 | jhutchins_wk | share: Yes, you can do that, but there won't be much knowledge to support you if you do. |
| 16:31.20 | jhutchins_wk | share: Certainly would be difficult to get support here. |
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| 16:31.50 | share | syslinux isn't hard |
| 16:31.56 | centrx | I think the plan is just to use it for bootstrapping, then replace it with grub? |
| 16:32.13 | share | the plan is to use syslinux |
| 16:32.46 | verri | I love it when a plan comes together |
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| 16:37.59 | share | FAIL |
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| 16:39.20 | share | https://pastee.org/v7nxp FAIL log |
| 16:39.41 | share | I hate outdated guides |
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| 16:40.32 | share | looks like I need some package |
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| 16:42.12 | share | hello? |
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| 16:42.48 | centrx | hi |
| 16:42.54 | share | https://pastee.org/v7nxp FAIL log |
| 16:43.22 | centrx | It seems to be getting confused because of the chroot |
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| 16:43.40 | centrx | can't find /usr/local/sbin, /usr/sbin, etc. |
| 16:43.43 | centrx | Maybe those aren't in the chroot? |
| 16:43.57 | share | maybe |
| 16:44.12 | share | they are |
| 16:44.30 | share | I didnt reboot |
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| 16:44.34 | centrx | from apt-get/dpkg's point of view, essential programs in those directories are missing |
| 16:45.39 | share | daemonkeeper: im sorry to say but your guide sucks |
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| 16:48.00 | Engys | hi, console-setup stops upgrading from wheezy to jessie any idea? |
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| 16:50.57 | share | ? |
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| 16:51.12 | share | and they say arch linux is hard.. |
| 16:51.19 | Engys | ^^ |
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| 16:51.47 | jhutchins_wk | scrollbuffer daemonkeeper |
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| 16:53.23 | share | jhutchins_wk: https://pastee.org/v7nxp |
| 16:53.46 | kodapa | anyone knows if the LSI-SAS 9300-8e works under debian? |
| 16:54.01 | jhutchins_wk | share: I thik you presume I know what guide you're following. Looks like you might be trying to debbootstrap with your chroot not set up correctly. |
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| 16:55.27 | share | why |
| 16:55.38 | jhutchins_wk | share: What did you try to do? How did you try to do it? What did you expect to happen? What happened instead? |
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| 16:56.00 | share | mount proc /mnt/proc -t proc |
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| 16:56.13 | share | mount sys /mnt/sys -t sysfs |
| 16:56.22 | share | mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev/ |
| 16:56.30 | share | chroot /mnt/ |
| 16:56.44 | share | chroot /mnt/ |
| 16:56.57 | share | /mnt |
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| 16:57.13 | share | apt-get update |
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| 16:58.20 | share | is there an official guide for debootstrap? |
| 16:58.21 | jhutchins_wk | share: Are you unable to see the error message? You did not mount /dev/pts |
| 16:58.28 | jhutchins_wk | share: Yes. |
| 16:58.33 | share | I think i did |
| 16:58.36 | jhutchins_wk | !debootstrap |
| 16:58.36 | dpkg | debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap |
| 16:58.50 | jhutchins_wk | share: https://wiki.debian.org/chroot |
| 16:59.09 | share | im installing squeeze stuff :s |
| 16:59.19 | share | old guides are old |
| 16:59.32 | share | im going to start over |
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| 17:00.47 | Engys | console-setup made this my ugliest debian upgrade ever .. damn .. searching files with fuser to kill mother processes isn't the way an upgrade should work |
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| 17:01.54 | share | jhutchins_wk: the guide doesnt explain how to mount /dev/pts |
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| 17:04.10 | share | .. |
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| 17:06.21 | share | what do I do now |
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| 17:07.12 | blackflow | share: mount /dev with --rbind (or -R) |
| 17:07.41 | share | ? |
| 17:08.01 | blackflow | share: you're talking about the chroot |
| 17:08.03 | blackflow | ? |
| 17:08.05 | share | http://daemonkeeper.net/668/how-to-bootstrap-debian-over-another-running-linux-system/ horrible |
| 17:09.15 | share | blackflow: https://pastee.org/v7nxp |
| 17:09.20 | blackflow | share: are you talking about mounting /dev into the chroot? |
| 17:09.44 | share | blackflow: I ran mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev |
| 17:09.56 | blackflow | you had to use --rbind (or -R) |
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| 17:11.02 | share | done |
| 17:11.20 | share | same errors! |
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| 17:11.52 | blackflow | share: did you re-create the chroot after re-binding dev? |
| 17:12.01 | share | I dont know |
| 17:12.11 | share | i ran chroot /mnt/ |
| 17:12.16 | share | /mnt |
| 17:12.18 | share | damn |
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| 17:12.43 | blackflow | share: and did you frist umount the old dev mountpoint? |
| 17:12.48 | share | yes |
| 17:13.15 | share | mount --rbind /dev /mnt/dev |
| 17:13.31 | share | before that umount /mnt/dev |
| 17:14.06 | blackflow | and /sys too? |
| 17:14.18 | share | now /mnt/dev: target is busy |
| 17:14.42 | blackflow | sure, there are submounts, like pts |
| 17:14.45 | share | mount sys /mnt/sys -t sysfs |
| 17:15.18 | share | fscked up |
| 17:15.31 | share | reboot |
| 17:15.32 | blackflow | you have to --rbind sys from the host too |
| 17:16.07 | Engys | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:18.29 | share | !J1987 |
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| 17:34.49 | Linnak | hi. I made a liveUSB OS from jessie, and when I boot from it on another windows machine ( not on which I created the live USB) can't mount the only hard drive |
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| 17:38.55 | deepblue | E: Unable to locate package Kchmviewer,how to fix this? |
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| 17:42.25 | domovoy | hi |
| 17:42.26 | SynrG | deepblue: is it just me, or is that a capital K? |
| 17:42.44 | SynrG | ,v kchmviewer |
| 17:42.45 | judd | Package: kchmviewer on amd64 -- squeeze: 5.1-1+b1; wheezy: 5.3-1; sid: 6.0-1; jessie: 6.0-1 |
| 17:42.59 | SynrG | deepblue: kchmviewer is in the Debian archive. Kchmviewer is not. |
| 17:43.01 | Engys | .. can I delete console-setup? the setup runs 4ever .. |
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| 17:43.24 | greycat | had no problems with console-setup and has no idea what Engys is encountering |
| 17:43.31 | deepblue | SynrG: silly me,thanx |
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| 17:44.39 | SynrG | Engys: i think that's #782753 |
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| 17:45.18 | Engys | greycat,SynrG maybe some madm thing? |
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| 17:45.37 | SynrG | Engys: read to the bottom of the bug ... |
| 17:45.44 | greycat | if you mean mdadm, that's software RAID, nothing to do with consoles afaik |
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| 17:45.58 | SynrG | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=782753 |
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| 17:46.17 | SynrG | Engys: the suggested corrective action is a reboot, then finish the upgrade. |
| 17:46.32 | SynrG | it's obviously not a good solution, but may be a workaround that is acceptable for now |
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| 17:47.24 | SynrG | Engys: it may be helpful if you a) submit any other info you can add to the report (even if only "me too") plus confirmation of the workaround, if that works for you. |
| 17:47.25 | Engys | greycat, ah yes I mean mdadm |
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| 17:47.50 | SynrG | with b) the usual stuff reportbug gathers |
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| 17:49.08 | SynrG | Engys: in particular, it may be useful to compare the original submitter's collected debconf info vs. yours to see if there's some common thread. |
| 17:49.33 | greycat | They're both non-American... maybe it only happens with non-US keyboards or something? |
| 17:50.23 | SynrG | possibly |
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| 18:01.20 | domovoy | I'm using debian sid, and have troubles with android kitkat, usb tethering, NetworkManager and ModemManager: when i enable usb tethering on android, NetworkManager configures usb0 nicely, but shortly after disable it and setup a modem connection (which doesn't work). If i then "ifconfig usb0 up; dhclient usb0" everything is fine. Relevant syslog: http://pastebin.com/28Ly3Shu. How can i inform NetworkManager to keep usb0 and skip the ModemManager stuff? (i |
| 18:01.21 | domovoy | guess that's what triggers the removal of usb0) |
| 18:01.35 | Engys | SynrG, thanks, 2 days till final release and I got this .. made me configuring 30 packages by hand. I fear to reboot the machine. I will wait untill 25. xP |
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| 18:09.44 | talin | hello. when i do lspci | grep audio, i get nothing. is there no hope? |
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| 18:10.06 | tremon | talin: grep -i audio? |
| 18:10.17 | tremon | and maybe run lspci as root |
| 18:10.23 | greycat | Does your PC actually have an audio thing in it? |
| 18:10.35 | SynrG | Engys: i don't think waiting is a good idea. as you said, you're unsure of the state of the machine |
| 18:11.04 | SynrG | Engys: also, how many other users are affected? that makes it all the more important we get answers *now* |
| 18:11.12 | talin | tremon: ah, good idea. i see something. intel |
| 18:11.16 | SynrG | Engys: your bug submission will perhaps help |
| 18:11.25 | SynrG | Engys: at *least* submit the extra bug info |
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| 18:14.32 | SynrG | ,v console-setup |
| 18:14.33 | judd | Package: console-setup on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.68+squeeze2; wheezy: 1.88; jessie: 1.123; sid: 1.123 |
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| 18:15.22 | Engys | SynrG, services comming up as usual. (after around 30 dpkg --configue <package>) .. nobody is near the machine .. I need to wait at least till tomorrow. |
| 18:15.33 | SynrG | it was the same upgrade? from wheezy->jessie? |
| 18:15.57 | greycat | you could have done dpkg --configure -a |
| 18:16.13 | greycat | (might not be a bad idea, now) |
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| 18:16.58 | SynrG | Engys: so let me understand. did you abort the upgrade? and you've not yet rebooted because you want to do that when physically present? |
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| 18:17.46 | valdyn | Engys: why dont you dpkg --configure -a |
| 18:17.54 | valdyn | Engys: (or didnt ) |
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| 18:18.34 | damoncasale | Morning/afternoon, folks... |
| 18:19.12 | Engys | greycat, valdyn the other packages coming after console-setup so dpkg --configure -a will not reach samba etc. |
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| 18:19.45 | greycat | Ah, you were afraid you'd get another hung postinst. That makes sense. I would've just edited the postinst script though. |
| 18:19.49 | damoncasale | I'm trying to compile a package and need to figure out which release this is. I'm on 1and1 hosting and the only thing I can find is cat /etc/issue which gives "Debian GNU Linux 6.0 \n \1". |
| 18:20.01 | damoncasale | That seems really old for a Debian release. Is that really Debian 6? |
| 18:20.04 | greycat | Debian 6.0 is squeeze |
| 18:20.27 | greycat | You should also check /etc/debian_version |
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| 18:20.31 | share | why there isn't a useful and official guide for debootstrap? |
| 18:20.55 | damoncasale | Yeah, looks like 6.0.10 |
| 18:21.17 | damoncasale | Blerk. I'm going to guess that this will be a total PITA to compile wkhtmltopdf for. |
| 18:21.42 | damoncasale | According to the docs, it doesn't support compiling from "non-standard home folders". |
| 18:21.44 | valdyn | share: like https://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap ? |
| 18:21.56 | greycat | I've never used that, but I do html to pdf conversions with WheezyPrint. Everything else looked horribly worse. |
| 18:22.05 | greycat | err, that's not spelled right... |
| 18:22.13 | valdyn | share: or if you like official: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html |
| 18:22.13 | greycat | weasyprint |
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| 18:22.43 | damoncasale | Btw, how do I find out if the system is 32bit or 64bit? |
| 18:22.54 | greycat | Personally I just run file /bin/ls |
| 18:23.11 | valdyn | damoncasale: dpkg --print-architecture |
| 18:23.23 | damoncasale | Wheezyprint? Is that a command line utility? |
| 18:23.28 | Engys | SynrG, no I have done the upgrade (part-time manually) only console-setup and liblwp-protocol-https-perl will not configure because of an error |
| 18:23.35 | greycat | it's "weasyprint" and it's a command-line program written in python |
| 18:24.03 | greycat | But it might not be suitable if you're converting HTML that you aren't producing yourself. It's VERY strict about what it will take. |
| 18:24.23 | SynrG | Engys: i see. well, i guess it would be good if you right away did 'reportbug console-setup', find the bug, and add 'extra info' |
| 18:24.50 | SynrG | Engys: particularly of interest is, what version of console-setup was installed before the upgrade? |
| 18:25.06 | greycat | In the application where I use it, I'm generating the HTML, so I was able to rearrange everything to get the results I wanted. |
| 18:25.20 | share | valdyn: why does it show "i386 sid" |
| 18:25.25 | SynrG | the submitter didn't say |
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| 18:26.07 | valdyn | share: why does that show what exactly? |
| 18:26.13 | valdyn | share: why does *what* show what exactly? |
| 18:26.27 | Engys | SynrG: before jessie it was a fresh and completely new wheezy setup |
| 18:26.52 | SynrG | Engys: yep. i *think* that's the same as the submitter ... as the kernel shows as wheezy's |
| 18:26.56 | share | valdyn: what does sid mean? |
| 18:27.10 | valdyn | share: thats a debian branch |
| 18:27.12 | valdyn | !sid |
| 18:27.13 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sid is the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!! |
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| 18:27.24 | share | I don't want unstable |
| 18:27.35 | share | so I replace it with wheezy? |
| 18:27.36 | damoncasale | Blerk. Checked out weasyprint's home page and it says it needs to be installed with pip. |
| 18:27.40 | damoncasale | Which I can't install. -_- |
| 18:27.42 | damoncasale | No root access. |
| 18:27.58 | share | export MY_CHROOT=/wheezy-root |
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| 18:28.06 | valdyn | share: maybe, you did not answer my original question |
| 18:28.18 | share | valdyn: that guide seems incomplete |
| 18:28.28 | valdyn | share: its a wiki |
| 18:28.29 | share | compared with this http://daemonkeeper.net/668/how-to-bootstrap-debian-over-another-running-linux-system/ |
| 18:28.32 | valdyn | share: feel free to improve it |
| 18:28.32 | greycat | damoncasale: OK, I'm not fluent in python, so I don't know how you'd get around that. Maybe people in a python channel would know. There's also ##kozea on this network. |
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| 18:28.43 | damoncasale | k. |
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| 18:29.27 | share | valdyn: it doesnt explain things |
| 18:30.47 | ElOcho | Hi I'm trying to install driver firmware from one of those mini cd's but it's not showing anything in the cd bay. Do I need a driver to recognize mini cd's? |
| 18:30.50 | valdyn | share: not every wiki has to be made for just the verbosity you prefer |
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| 18:30.59 | share | valdyn: blah blah |
| 18:31.12 | valdyn | share: that is why you can chose any you like. Now you know about 3 already (at least) |
| 18:32.02 | share | blah |
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| 18:32.46 | share | daemonkeeper: please update your guide |
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| 18:34.08 | SynrG | share: itym damoncasale? |
| 18:34.27 | greycat | no, he meant daemonkeeper who apparently has a debootstrap web page |
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| 18:34.34 | SynrG | ohhh |
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| 18:34.39 | share | lol |
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| 18:35.03 | SynrG | that will teach me to skim. i ready 'system' for 'guide'. |
| 18:35.08 | damoncasale | Heh. |
| 18:35.22 | share | I cant install debian with debootstrap because documentation is weak |
| 18:35.42 | valdyn | that blog entry is horribly long |
| 18:36.15 | valdyn | maybe because in order to really understand debootstrap you have to understand a shitload about a linux system first |
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| 18:36.44 | share | well using arch linux is easier than this stuff |
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| 18:37.31 | greycat | "using" one system and "installing... the hard way" another should not be compared |
| 18:37.52 | share | hard way ? lol |
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| 18:38.01 | greycat | harder that booting a CD? yes. |
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| 18:38.25 | damoncasale | Derp. It looks like weasyprint won't work either. |
| 18:38.30 | greycat | Sorry. |
| 18:38.33 | damoncasale | Too many dependencies that I can't install in a shared env. |
| 18:38.34 | share | herp |
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| 18:41.24 | damoncasale | I think I'll just make a VM on my Winblows machine with Debian 6 i386 on it and compile that way. |
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| 18:42.17 | greycat | is wkhtmltopdf one of those things that's basically "compile an entire web browser except the part that actually draws on the screen, don't worry, it only needs 2 GB of disk space" things? |
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| 18:42.28 | damoncasale | greycat: Yes. |
| 18:42.31 | greycat | :( |
| 18:42.39 | greycat | I remember seeing a couple of those when I was searching for a solution. |
| 18:42.48 | damoncasale | Which is fine for me, since other solutions are so much more of a pain in the ass to get to work in my situation. |
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| 18:42.50 | damoncasale | Shared hosting, that is. |
| 18:42.56 | greycat | good luck. |
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| 18:46.32 | xaam | Hi! |
| 18:46.44 | share | hello |
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| 18:47.54 | rlndvt | Can someone help me figure out why my installation of icedove keeps freezing? Running from terminal I get these messages: http://paste.debian.net/168537/ Google doesn't turn up anything I can use :( |
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| 18:48.37 | greycat | the glib messages are meaningless as far as I know. I get those all the time from various things. |
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| 18:51.42 | rlndvt | greycat: last two criticals happen just before the freeze fwiw. Where could I look to get something I can actually use? |
| 18:52.08 | {{}}} | debian is trolling me |
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| 18:58.42 | Phagus | I don't see tigervnc in the main Debian7 Wheezy repo |
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| 18:59.25 | Phagus | Oh nm |
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| 19:20.54 | nerdistmonk | So whats the closest replacement to xorg-edgers on debian? |
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| 19:22.38 | ompaul | nerdistmonk: you might find it in experimental but frankly I wouldn't hold out much hope |
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| 19:23.30 | nerdistmonk | great. |
| 19:23.46 | ompaul | ,v mesa-vdpau-drivers |
| 19:23.47 | judd | Package: mesa-vdpau-drivers on amd64 -- jessie: 10.3.2-1; sid: 10.4.2-2 |
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| 19:23.59 | ompaul | that's what packaged |
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| 19:24.13 | nerdistmonk | theres a little bit more than just a vdpau driver, and i was on Mesa 10.6 on xubuntu |
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| 19:24.31 | nerdistmonk | or well 10.5(with huge repeating number) cause they package up nightlys and such |
| 19:24.42 | ompaul | which is a bit hard to believe because that projects current is 10.5.3 |
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| 19:25.03 | nerdistmonk | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=mesa-10.6-start-broadwell |
| 19:25.07 | ompaul | it's package driven for overall stability not much lese |
| 19:25.10 | ompaul | else |
| 19:25.10 | nerdistmonk | guess it helps to stay current |
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| 19:25.24 | nerdistmonk | funny its worked for 7 months no issues |
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| 19:26.09 | ompaul | http://www.mesa3d.org/ is what I'm seeing |
| 19:26.14 | nerdistmonk | also guess what, this will come as a massive shocker, you need the latest cutting edge mesa if you've got a cutting edge card otherwise, it doesn't work, it doesn't work at all. |
| 19:26.40 | ompaul | na, my hardware is never that new |
| 19:26.49 | share | what dselect does? |
| 19:26.57 | share | deselect wgat |
| 19:26.58 | share | what |
| 19:27.12 | valdyn | share: same as aptitude, but its not in wide usage |
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| 19:27.26 | valdyn | share: its almost absolete for decade |
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| 19:27.28 | ompaul | valdyn: really the same ... |
| 19:27.34 | share | I did all the steps until chroot $MY_CHROOT /bin/bash |
| 19:27.40 | nerdistmonk | like how this became about you and your system instead of mine @ompaul. just forget it. |
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| 19:27.46 | share | now what |
| 19:27.55 | share | install mc? |
| 19:27.57 | share | what is mc |
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| 19:29.01 | valdyn | share: its a package, each package has description, read it |
| 19:29.07 | share | valdyn: im in chroot |
| 19:29.16 | valdyn | share: that makes no difference |
| 19:29.21 | share | the official guide sucks even harder |
| 19:29.23 | share | fsck u |
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| 19:29.48 | mtn | he needs his money back |
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| 19:30.29 | greycat | I don't think anyone here has the patience to tell you what all the packages in Debian do. |
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| 19:30.53 | share | greycat: debian sucks |
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| 19:30.58 | mtn | haha |
| 19:31.00 | greycat | mc is midnight commander. If you've never heard of it, you won't care about it. dselect is a very old package selection program, a precursor to apt and aptitude. |
| 19:31.01 | share | from what im seeing |
| 19:31.21 | share | the official website doesnt provide a decent guide |
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| 19:31.27 | greycat | !install guide |
| 19:31.28 | dpkg | The Installation Guide for Debian 7 "Wheezy" can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/installmanual . See also <errata>, <release notes>. |
| 19:31.37 | share | nope |
| 19:31.55 | greycat | If debian doesn't fulfill your needs, you can try a different OS. |
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| 19:32.16 | share | like windows |
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| 19:32.47 | share | https://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/i386/apds03.html.en outdated |
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| 19:33.16 | jasper^off | hej guys, I added sid to my sources to get one package from it...how can I prevent it getting packages from sid when I apt-get upgrade now? |
| 19:33.28 | valdyn | !pin |
| 19:33.29 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
| 19:34.01 | greycat | mixing sid binary packages with *anything* sounds like a bad idea |
| 19:34.30 | jasper^off | valdyn I did !pin the package. |
| 19:34.39 | jasper^off | but how can I prevent it from getting ANY other packages from sid... |
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| 19:34.47 | share | this debootstrap thing is a joke |
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| 19:35.35 | valdyn | !tell share -about smart questions |
| 19:35.56 | share | /ignore dpkg |
| 19:36.15 | bazhang | its a bot share |
| 19:36.26 | share | I dont like bots |
| 19:36.27 | ompaul | share: your choice to tell people what you want to do or not - but if you sit there ranting these people will help but they (A) don't read minds (B) dpkg and judd are bots |
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| 19:36.36 | ompaul | then debian is not the place for you |
| 19:36.38 | ompaul | !debian |
| 19:36.38 | dpkg | from memory, debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 19:36.44 | share | !derp |
| 19:36.48 | jasper^off | valdyn i did pin the package...but how do I stop it from getting any others on an upgrade? |
| 19:36.48 | ompaul | sorry - #debian |
| 19:36.58 | valdyn | jasper^off: bad idea, you should use backports |
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| 19:37.22 | ompaul | share: I see you read the book how to win friends and influence people |
| 19:37.24 | share | debian is for nerckbeards? |
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| 19:37.39 | greycat | ignores the troll |
| 19:37.47 | valdyn | jasper^off: and about pinning: you would pin the release, not just the package, but its still a bad idea |
| 19:37.47 | share | ignores your mom |
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| 19:38.53 | lord_rob | hehe ops don't have the @ here ;) |
| 19:39.10 | share | hehe you are so stupid :) |
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| 19:39.53 | mokuhon | share: and you're not funny |
| 19:39.59 | share | mokuhon: eat me |
| 19:40.25 | bazhang | !ops | share trolling |
| 19:40.25 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: bazhang complains about: | share trolling |
| 19:40.40 | ompaul | bazhang: that just reads wrong ;-) |
| 19:40.44 | share | bazhang: you ugly |
| 19:40.48 | share | neckbeard |
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| 19:40.58 | bazhang | bye bye share |
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| 19:41.11 | bazhang | ompaul, happy ubuntu release day! |
| 19:41.34 | ompaul | bazhang: it must be thursday ;-) |
| 19:41.42 | bazhang | hehe |
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| 19:45.38 | small-chimp | hi everyone, burn all jews in oven |
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| 19:46.23 | small-chimp | hi everyone, burn all jews in oven |
| 19:46.24 | small-chimp | sieg heil |
| 19:46.27 | small-chimp | heil hitler |
| 19:46.34 | small-chimp | sieg heil |
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| 19:47.51 | ompaul | greycat: thanks |
| 19:48.01 | greycat | oh, too slow... I wasn't even sure whether I still had ops |
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| 19:48.53 | ompaul | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:55.52 | [exa] | Hi everyone. Just a quick question -- what is the best way to get nftables on Jessie? |
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| 19:57.29 | jhutchins | !nftables |
| 19:57.45 | jhutchins | [exa]: https://wiki.debian.org/nftables |
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| 20:00.28 | valdyn | judd: versions nftables |
| 20:00.28 | jhutchins | Crud, botched that add and now I can't edit it. |
| 20:00.29 | judd | Package: nftables on amd64 -- sid: 0.4-2 |
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| 20:00.43 | Frogging101-chan | Why don't DNS lookups on wheezy send EDNS queries by default? It's breaking things because my server can't get root servers from the router: http://pastebin.com/UPN8rDJD |
| 20:00.54 | valdyn | jhutchins: just backport it? |
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| 20:01.42 | moty66 | hello, need help to understand the access of two file by a binary, I run the command strace app and here are two lines what I don't understand http://paste.debian.net/168550/ |
| 20:01.45 | valdyn | Frogging101-chan: dig is not the system resolver |
| 20:01.54 | moty66 | is it possibile that the u.log will be executed? |
| 20:02.03 | valdyn | Frogging101-chan: so thats not indicative of anything |
| 20:02.26 | valdyn | Frogging101-chan: i meant dig does not use the system resolver |
| 20:02.39 | Frogging101-chan | valdyn: Hm, okay. Which command does? |
| 20:02.59 | valdyn | Frogging101-chan: everything that uses the function gethostbyname(..) |
| 20:03.05 | greycat | Frogging101-chan: getent hosts "$hostname" # might |
| 20:03.29 | valdyn | Frogging101-chan: which is about everything, except special networking tools, like dig or host |
| 20:03.32 | jhutchins | valdyn: I dunno, it requires the kernel support it too, that might require a kernel backport as well. |
| 20:03.57 | valdyn | jhutchins: yes, probably, but thats easy |
| 20:04.02 | Exagone313 | hello, i'm trying to convert some midi files to wav with a specific sf2 soundfont file. I tried fluidsynth but it seems to add a soundfont for some sounds (weird). I tried timidity but it adds some seconds of silence at the send (it's a loop I want to convert) |
| 20:04.16 | Exagone313 | is there any clue? thanks for helping |
| 20:04.17 | valdyn | jhutchins: (and does not really need a backport) |
| 20:04.25 | jhutchins | valdyn: It's not clear that it's ready for play yet. |
| 20:04.34 | Exagone313 | at the end* |
| 20:04.59 | valdyn | jhutchins: boot/config-3.16.0-4-amd64:CONFIG_NF_TABLES=m |
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| 20:05.18 | valdyn | jhutchins: i think that means its there in the kernel |
| 20:05.20 | Exagone313 | when i search something about removing the silence at the end of timidity I found nothing about timidity itself... |
| 20:06.35 | jhutchins | Exagone313: create the file with timidity then clean it up with audacity. (Audacity might have midi support, been a while.) |
| 20:06.38 | Frogging101-chan | valdyn: Okay, well I try and send an e-mail to an address at hotmail.com, and exim queries the router for the MX records, and gets no reply at all. If I use dig with the EDNS option then it does get a reply. It's really odd |
| 20:06.59 | Exagone313 | jhutchins: not a solution, because it adds a reverb to the last sound |
| 20:07.07 | Frogging101-chan | In wireshark I can see that exim isn't sending EDNS info |
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| 20:07.17 | Exagone313 | as it is described here http://www.hydrogenaud.io/forums/index.php?showtopic=61754 |
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| 20:07.55 | jhutchins | Frogging101-chan: Is your router not responding to normal DNS queries? You could query something like your providers DNS or Google's. |
| 20:08.21 | Frogging101-chan | jhutchins: Yeah it seems like that. It's dd-wrt with dnsmasq, no idea why it's having this problem |
| 20:08.31 | rlndvt | When going sid, what should your sources look like? |
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| 20:09.01 | jhutchins | Frogging101-chan: I haven't had that problem with dd-wrt, but I was using an older build. |
| 20:09.07 | Exagone313 | and the option to loop in timidity is just read in loop, not PLAY the sound in loops (it plays the end silence) |
| 20:10.29 | Exagone313 | another solution, how can I copy my midi two times in a file |
| 20:10.52 | Exagone313 | so I cut the ouput wav with audacity |
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| 20:11.24 | rlndvt | Does this look ok, or am I missing something? http://paste.debian.net/168555/ |
| 20:11.52 | valdyn | rlndvt: lines 4 and 7 are pointless |
| 20:11.59 | jhutchins | Frogging101-chan: http://linux-sound.org/midi.html |
| 20:12.21 | rlndvt | valdyn: really? |
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| 20:12.50 | rlndvt | What do you need for security updates then? |
| 20:13.05 | valdyn | Frogging101-chan: maybe something wrong with your networking in general |
| 20:13.17 | valdyn | Frogging101-chan: this makes no sense, and dnsmasq should work either way |
| 20:13.18 | greycat | sid HAS no security updates |
| 20:13.31 | Frogging101-chan | valdyn: Got any ideas? |
| 20:13.37 | valdyn | Frogging101-chan: no |
| 20:13.45 | Frogging101-chan | I don't know what could be wrong to cause this |
| 20:13.52 | Frogging101-chan | other than maybe a bad version of dnsmasq on the router |
| 20:14.01 | Frogging101-chan | It works either way with google's name servers |
| 20:14.08 | Frogging101-chan | but I kinda want to know what's wrong with my router |
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| 20:14.33 | rlndvt | ok interesting... |
| 20:14.35 | jhutchins | Frogging101-chan: Sorry. |
| 20:14.38 | jhutchins | Exagone313: http://linux-sound.org/midi.html |
| 20:14.53 | valdyn | Frogging101-chan: edns=0 is the default too |
| 20:14.59 | Frogging101-chan | Not in my version |
| 20:15.13 | Frogging101-chan | The man page for dig online says it is, but the man page on my machine doesn't |
| 20:15.25 | valdyn | Frogging101-chan: what system is that? |
| 20:15.36 | Frogging101-chan | 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.65-1+deb7u2 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 20:15.48 | valdyn | Frogging101-chan: thats just the kernel |
| 20:15.50 | Frogging101-chan | wheezy |
| 20:15.51 | Frogging101-chan | er |
| 20:16.06 | Frogging101-chan | What info would you like? |
| 20:16.10 | greycat | certainly looks like a wheezy kernel to me |
| 20:16.36 | valdyn | Frogging101-chan: nothing, i looked it up in a wheezy system, indeed the manpage changed |
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| 20:18.15 | Exagone313 | jhutchins: hmm my idea is wrong, too much time to do it on multiple files |
| 20:18.34 | Exagone313 | my wish is simple but I found nothing simple --' |
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| 20:26.29 | jhutchins | ex |
| 20:26.37 | jhutchins | Exagone313: midi is not simple. |
| 20:27.03 | jhutchins | Exagone313: Audio in linux has a bit of a learning curve, but many people are very successful with it once they know what they're doing. |
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| 20:51.22 | blackflow | :Q |
| 20:51.27 | blackflow | oops.. |
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| 20:53.26 | NoImNotNineVolt | has there been any recent updates in wheezy's curl? |
| 20:53.53 | NoImNotNineVolt | i'm on https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/curl and the changelog link is broken |
| 20:54.39 | greycat | there was a recent DSA |
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| 20:56.05 | NoImNotNineVolt | i ask because `curl -XGET zeustracker.abuse.ch` fails now. |
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| 20:56.21 | NoImNotNineVolt | and it worked fine the other day :P |
| 20:56.28 | NoImNotNineVolt | and it loads in a web browser just fine. |
| 20:56.36 | NoImNotNineVolt | ah, wait just one minute... |
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| 20:58.20 | NoImNotNineVolt | their cert is untrusted, it seems. |
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| 20:58.44 | NoImNotNineVolt | google chrome has its own CA chain, though, right? so that would explain why chrome thinks it's okay but everything else is complaining. |
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| 20:59.13 | thewanderer1 | NoImNotNineVolt, last time I checked, `curl` was somewhat weird about CAs |
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| 20:59.24 | NoImNotNineVolt | firefox complains too, though. |
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| 20:59.35 | NoImNotNineVolt | (i had previously only tested in chrome and noted that it "looked fine") |
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| 20:59.53 | thewanderer1 | NoImNotNineVolt, is it because of a revocation, or lack of a trust relationship with the CA? |
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| 21:00.07 | NoImNotNineVolt | i have no idea. i just know that we were curling it fine until 9am this morning. |
| 21:00.16 | thewanderer1 | NoImNotNineVolt, i.e. does Firefox say the certificate has been revoked? |
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| 21:00.31 | NoImNotNineVolt | no, but the issuer is unknown. |
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| 21:00.45 | NoImNotNineVolt | OU is missing from issuer. |
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| 21:01.07 | NoImNotNineVolt | issued by COMODO RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA |
| 21:01.16 | NoImNotNineVolt | CN |
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| 21:02.13 | ctmjr | wow that's alot of abuse of the entetr key |
| 21:02.31 | NoImNotNineVolt | so either they changed their cert (begins on 3/15/2014 and expires 3/15/2016) or my CA chains are morphing on their own |
| 21:02.53 | NoImNotNineVolt | ctmjr: i apologize for the negligible overhead imposed, but it's in the interest of clarity. |
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| 21:03.11 | thewanderer1 | they might have changed their certificate - it happens, and it was the reason some curl script stopped working for me on the other day too |
| 21:03.24 | NoImNotNineVolt | i'll reimburse you for those couple-dozen extra bytes of network traffic, if you're that hard up. |
| 21:03.57 | NoImNotNineVolt | but they changed it to one that doesn't work? :P |
| 21:04.04 | thewanderer1 | in any case, it should be possible to point cURL at an alternative CA cert directory, if you have a reliable means of obtaining those |
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| 21:05.32 | thewanderer1 | the OU is empty for me as well for the Comodo CA, yet Chromium is not complaining - let me check Iceweasel |
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| 21:06.52 | thewanderer1 | no luck there - I think the server has disabled older TLS versions and Wheezy's Iceweasel doesn't do 1.2 |
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| 21:08.51 | thewanderer1 | NoImNotNineVolt, though a quick check with openssl yields "Verify return code: 20 (unable to get local issuer certificate)" - so the theory that Chrome has its own CA file is sound. |
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| 21:09.37 | NoImNotNineVolt | much appreciated. |
| 21:10.16 | \\Mr_C\\ | how can i update 7.8 to libc6 to 2.15 or higher? |
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| 21:11.25 | bazhang | ,v libc6 |
| 21:11.26 | judd | Package: libc6 on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.11.3-4; squeeze-security-lts: 2.11.3-4+deb6u5; wheezy: 2.13-38+deb7u6; wheezy-proposed-updates: 2.13-38+deb7u8; wheezy-security: 2.13-38+deb7u8; sid: 2.19-18; jessie: 2.19-18; experimental: 2.21-0experimental0 |
| 21:11.56 | F1skr | What is the default display manager in debian 8? |
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| 21:12.37 | thewanderer1 | NoImNotNineVolt, it might also be the destination server is only sending part of the certificate chain, which seems to work with some clients and be broken with others - particularly, I have observed this with cURL |
| 21:12.59 | thewanderer1 | NoImNotNineVolt, I believe Chromium/Chrome work around this |
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| 21:14.25 | NoImNotNineVolt | that's above my pay grade. i'm an electrical engineer, not a crypto guy :P |
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| 21:15.13 | thewanderer1 | NoImNotNineVolt, the standard procedure in such cases is telling the admin of the respective server that they should fix their HTTPD's configuration to send the complete chain (AFAIK that's the only standards-compliant behaviour) |
| 21:15.14 | ctmjr | F1skr: it depends on what desktop manager you choose |
| 21:15.52 | NoImNotNineVolt | i'd imagine there's many, many security professionals that regularly pull down that rss feed |
| 21:16.10 | NoImNotNineVolt | and being that they're all security people, they'd know more about properly configuring ssl than i would :P |
| 21:16.45 | NoImNotNineVolt | i calculate that they're currently digging out from a deluge of email telling them just that. i won't pile any more on :P |
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| 21:48.00 | jhutchins | NoImNotNineVolt: It seems like you've probably come to a different diagnosis, but recently (I think it was google) several CA chains in China were revoked because they had been used to authenticat bogus sites (or something like that). I see the site you're after is .ch |
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| 21:50.44 | NoImNotNineVolt | .ch is switzerland :) |
| 21:50.48 | NoImNotNineVolt | .cn is china. |
| 21:51.03 | NoImNotNineVolt | and indeed, that's the only reason i realized that chrome is the outlier here. |
| 21:51.25 | NoImNotNineVolt | i remembered that same story. chrome uses a google-provided CA list. |
| 21:51.45 | NoImNotNineVolt | which is why i then proceeded to test in firefox, and indeed, lo and behold, cert is questionable by non-google standards :P |
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| 23:23.24 | acz32 | i installed a DE with its metapackage, then removed its file manager. now apt-get tells me there are a bunch of packages (basically the entire DE) that is not needed anymore, and to run apt-get autoremove to get rid of them. the thing is, the DE works fine even after a reboot. |
| 23:23.35 | acz32 | but never being able to auto-remove doesn't sound nice |
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| 23:24.56 | centrx | acz32, You can mark the packages you want as "manually installed" by either running apt-get install <packages> (generally no-op), or using apt-mark |
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| 23:26.12 | acz32 | centrx: no-op? |
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| 23:26.54 | centrx | acz32, "no operation", it doesn't try to re-install the package or anything, but it does mark it as "manually installed" which is what autoremove uses |
| 23:27.23 | acz32 | centrx: do i need to make a list of the packages, auto-remove, and then apt-get install them, or can i apt-get install without removing first in order to mark them as manually installed? |
| 23:27.31 | acz32 | oh |
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| 23:29.26 | centrx | you don't need to remove |
| 23:29.38 | acz32 | does that work? seems like a cheat if something like the file manger is listed as a dependency by debian (but the DE seems to be fine without it) |
| 23:30.04 | centrx | acz32, it was a dependency of the metapackage, but because it was installed by the metapackage, it was marked as "automatically installed" |
| 23:30.34 | centrx | acz32, Therefore, "autoremove" sees it marked with that metadata, and wants to remove it |
| 23:31.02 | centrx | acz32, so you just need to run that command to mark the metadata as "manually installed" ("I want this package specifically, it was not just a dependency/library used by another package") |
| 23:31.51 | acz32 | thanks. that sound like it has the downside of making it harder to remove the entire desktop environment later if i decide to. i'd need to keep a list of what was installed in the metapackage right? |
| 23:32.30 | acz32 | or could i re-install the metapackage to re-classify them as automatically installed, and then remove the metapackage |
| 23:32.38 | centrx | acz32, sure, I use deborphan for that sort of thing, to find packages that are candidates to be removed |
| 23:34.49 | acz32 | nice. i just installed it |
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| 23:43.57 | acz32 | centrx: can deborphan scan for any orphaned packages/libraries or do you need to supply a package name as an argument? |
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| 23:44.24 | centrx | scans any, by default returns only libraries |
| 23:45.08 | centrx | deborphan, deporphan -n, deborphan -an |
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| 23:46.43 | acz32 | deborphan by itself returns nothing |
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| 23:47.11 | acz32 | but when i do deborphan -n it returns some libraries |
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| 23:49.51 | Chakka | the default setup on Debian 8 (jessie) with Mate |
| 23:50.05 | Chakka | has the window borders so skinny, I cant ever grab them to resize |
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| 23:50.24 | Chakka | how can I change this? Preferrably in a text file so I can do it with Puppet on 100 machines |
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| 23:54.03 | acz32 | Chakka: there is probably something in dconf that will let you change it |
| 23:54.18 | acz32 | your company chose MATE as their DE? |
| 23:54.41 | Chakka | it works best for remote access with x2go or nomachine |
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