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| 00:47.54 | imMute | does anyone happen to know how to slip a preseed.cfg into the netinst iso when putting the iso onto a USB stick? I tried all three methods of creating the stick, and none worked - they either result in a R/O filesystem, or when it boots, iso-scan doesn't like the ISO for whatever reason. |
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| 00:59.17 | arielsanflo | hello |
| 00:59.27 | arielsanflo | i am from colombia |
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| 00:59.49 | arielsanflo | error update debian jessie |
| 01:00.06 | cjbayliss | what is the error? |
| 01:00.18 | arielsanflo | http://paste.debian.net/168575/ |
| 01:00.31 | arielsanflo | fine thanks |
| 01:00.35 | arielsanflo | for help |
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| 01:01.35 | cjbayliss | arielsanflo: that paste is not there, are you sure you gave the right link? |
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| 01:03.36 | arielsanflo | error2 |
| 01:03.37 | arielsanflo | http://paste.debian.net/168576/ |
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| 01:03.50 | arielsanflo | apt-get -f install |
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| 01:05.04 | wondeer | hi anybody here knowing openvpn? |
| 01:05.15 | centrx | knowing is half the battle |
| 01:05.23 | wondeer | Ovpn TLS Error: local/remote TLS keys are out of sync |
| 01:05.28 | wondeer | what does it mean? |
| 01:05.31 | wondeer | is the encryption broken? |
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| 01:06.58 | centrx | wondeer, sort of, your encryption keys are "out of sync" whatever that means |
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| 01:07.23 | wondeer | centrx: i need details |
| 01:07.34 | wondeer | is the encryption really broken? |
| 01:07.39 | centrx | wondeer, if you search for the error message, there are some useful clues/things to try out, https://www.google.com/search?q=local%2Fremote+tls+keys+are+out+of+sync |
| 01:07.45 | ctmjr | arielsanflo: i do not read or speak spanish but from what i can read it is complaining about multiarch |
| 01:07.45 | wondeer | because myip.com says my VPN IP and not my REAL ip |
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| 01:08.01 | ctmjr | !multiarch |
| 01:08.01 | dpkg | Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch and <multiarch howto>, <multiarch failures>. For the unrelated installer that can install i386 or amd64, see <multi-arch installer>. |
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| 01:08.40 | wondeer | centrx: if it would broken. why then myip.com says my VPNs ip? |
| 01:08.46 | wondeer | https://www.google.com/search?q=local%2Fremote+tls+keys+are+out+of+sync |
| 01:08.54 | centrx | that is strange, maybe it is really only a "warning" |
| 01:09.03 | centrx | that means your VPN connection is insecure, but still connected? |
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| 01:09.15 | centrx | a possibility |
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| 01:10.43 | wondeer | centrx: what if u chainvpn. VPN 1 -> VPN 2? if VPN 1 where broken, then should VPN 2 still work? |
| 01:11.31 | CHVNX | pascalpoitras.com/2015/04/23/weechat-nhl-goal-trigger/ |
| 01:11.43 | wondeer | centrx: otherways VPN 2 would be disconnected right? |
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| 01:24.49 | hatter_ | I just found an old box which still has lenny on it. can i upgrade to wheezy through squeeze still ? |
| 01:25.09 | dvs | why not? |
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| 01:25.58 | hatter_ | I have this in apt : deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib |
| 01:26.09 | hatter_ | and i get this : Err http://archive.debian.org squeeze/contrib Sources |
| 01:26.09 | hatter_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:27.49 | dvs | hatter_: There's Debian-5.0 instead of squeeze |
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| 01:28.14 | hatter_ | dvs. it's lenny now |
| 01:30.13 | cjbayliss | hatter_: try: deb http://archive.debian.org/debian oldstable main contrib |
| 01:30.21 | cjbayliss | notice the missing '/' |
| 01:30.35 | cjbayliss | is just taking a wild guess |
| 01:30.52 | hatter_ | cjbaylisss, i tried that already, same issue |
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| 01:31.08 | len__ | is the jessie release still planned for this saturday (the 25th)? |
| 01:32.02 | somiaj | len__: I doubt it, they will give an offical annoucment I expect about a week (maybe a couple of days) plus when I looked eariler there were still 70 RC bugs |
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| 01:32.25 | len__ | somiaj: thanks |
| 01:32.35 | somiaj | len__: So i will expect about a week before debian.org and the topic here to have the annoucmentment with the offical release |
| 01:32.58 | len__ | i see |
| 01:33.15 | len__ | yeah i was confused as to why there wasnt a topic message about it...that clears up the confusion |
| 01:33.38 | somiaj | It was a date thrown around the mailing lists, but I just checked again, 74 RC bugs (a few more were opened) |
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| 01:34.07 | cjbayliss | hatter_: are you able to ping 193.62.202.28? |
| 01:34.38 | hatter_ | ok, the problem was archive.debian.org doesn't have squeeze in it. changing apt to ftp.debian.org sorted it out. |
| 01:34.53 | cjbayliss | ok |
| 01:35.03 | hatter_ | thanks |
| 01:35.15 | cjbayliss | did nothing! |
| 01:35.17 | cjbayliss | :) |
| 01:36.57 | somiaj | hatter_: I guess squeeze won't be moved until it is no longer oldstable (despite it has no support it is still oldstable -- though that is giong to change soon) |
| 01:37.28 | somiaj | hatter_: but I'm surprised it was not there either. (: |
| 01:38.16 | sharp15 | is it still possible to install gnome and kde at the same time? |
| 01:38.23 | cjbayliss | sharp15: yes |
| 01:38.50 | somiaj | sharp15: Only issue is hd space, but that is fairly easy to come by these days. |
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| 01:39.08 | somiaj | (if you partition your drive, make sure your root partition is big enough for them both) |
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| 01:39.22 | druhy | I have a dead key on my keyboard... how can I map this key to another one that is less important? in Quake you type ´bind w +forward´ |
| 01:39.40 | somiaj | druhy: look up xorg keymap |
| 01:39.56 | ryn | generally safe to do an in-place upgrade squeeze--->wheezy? |
| 01:40.08 | ryn | it's a no-gui webserver |
| 01:40.13 | somiaj | ryn: the release notes will tell you about all the known issues. |
| 01:40.42 | ryn | thx somiaj |
| 01:40.46 | somiaj | ryn: it is tested and considered safe, but depending on if you use third party packages and other configurations changes could have issues. Standard rule is backup, read the release notes. |
| 01:41.15 | druhy | somiaj: So the command would be xmodmap |
| 01:41.17 | druhy | ? |
| 01:41.36 | druhy | man xmodmap |
| 01:41.40 | somiaj | druhy: I think xmodmap just effects modifier keys, but it might be able to quickly change two keys if you dont' want to write a custom keymap |
| 01:41.56 | somiaj | druhy: but yea I think it might. |
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| 01:43.57 | ryn | how do i update apache in wheezy to >= 2.4? |
| 01:44.14 | ryn | can i do it through apt? |
| 01:44.18 | somiaj | ,v apache2 |
| 01:44.19 | judd | Package: apache2 on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 2.2.16-6+squeeze11; squeeze: 2.2.16-6+squeeze12; squeeze-security-lts: 2.2.16-6+squeeze14; wheezy-security: 2.2.22-13+deb7u3; wheezy: 2.2.22-13+deb7u4; jessie: 2.4.10-10; sid: 2.4.10-11 |
| 01:44.38 | somiaj | ryn: by default you don't. You can backport it, but it appears that it is not backported for you. |
| 01:44.43 | somiaj | !tell ryn about ssb |
| 01:44.48 | somiaj | ,check-backport apache2 |
| 01:44.49 | judd | Backporting package apache2 in sidâwheezy/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 9.20131213~), libaprutil1-dev (>= 1.5.0), libapr1-dev (>= 1.5.0). |
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| 01:45.04 | somiaj | ryn: looks like if you try to backport it, you have some build libaries to backport first. |
| 01:45.27 | ryn | thx somiaj ... i want to be able to switch mpm with LoadModule... how would i do that with apache 2.2? |
| 01:45.51 | sharp15 | ok. i'll keep looking for directions. thank you for confirming that i am not wasting my time. |
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| 01:46.14 | somiaj | ryn: I don't know apache well enough to answer that. I do know that jessie will be released in the next few months (hoping sometime in May). At that time you can just upgrade to jessie and get full security support. |
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| 01:46.38 | ryn | hmm... maybe i should in-place upgrade to jessie now then? |
| 01:46.40 | somiaj | ryn: if this is something that you are just developing, you could easily install jessie and get it ready. Just realize no security support until after the release. |
| 01:46.53 | ryn | what does that mean... "security support" ? |
| 01:47.28 | somiaj | ryn: It means that when a known exploit is found in a package (ssl, apache, etc) that can be used to exploit a machie to gain root access, that package is fixed and a security upgrade is provided. |
| 01:47.34 | sharp15 | relatedly is there a gnome2 fork available on debian? |
| 01:48.14 | ryn | somiaj so jessie won't start getting security updates till its released? |
| 01:48.16 | somiaj | ryn: Debian actaully responds to most CVE's really quickly and on a server this is important. Don't want someone comprmising your computer as you wait for a fix for the new hot know exploit. |
| 01:48.27 | hatter_ | ryn, you should just wait, unless you are using the server internally with no net access. |
| 01:48.37 | somiaj | ryn: correct, it slowly gets them now, but there is no time line. |
| 01:48.45 | ryn | hatter_ thx for the input |
| 01:49.13 | somiaj | ryn: yea that was my suggestion, if you are developing something to be depolyed, and can wait until the release to deploy it, then I woudl start now. |
| 01:49.52 | ryn | ok thx... that gives me something to think on |
| 01:50.01 | somiaj | ryn: Also if you can hold off and use apache 2.2 for the time until the release, I woudl suggest that over trying to get either 2.4 in wheezy or upgrading. |
| 01:50.03 | ctmjr | sharp15: mate will be in jessie it is a "fork" of gnome2 |
| 01:50.08 | ryn | this is for a small vps with a single website on it thats suffering from referral spam |
| 01:50.48 | hatter_ | referral spam ? do you mean backscatter ? |
| 01:50.54 | sharp15 | ctmjr: ok. thanks. |
| 01:51.09 | ryn | hatter_ not sure |
| 01:51.39 | hatter_ | I am not sure apache 2.4 is going to fix a spam issue. |
| 01:52.04 | ryn | not apparently its easier to switch to a different mpm |
| 01:52.17 | ryn | the apache access.log if filled with stuf like "the logs are filled with stuff like 186.107.229.88 - - [23/Apr/2015:17:18:42 -0800] "GET /wp-content/uploads/2012/06/logonew1.gif HTTP/1.1" 200 6466 "http://<oursite>.org/jtag-complete-indie-games-10.html"" |
| 01:53.16 | ryn | or |
| 01:53.20 | ryn | GET /millions-of-serial-keys-2010-63.html |
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| 01:54.02 | somiaj | ryn: can't you just use use .htaccess to deny any request that is not from yoursite.com? This is a common way to prevent third party sites from linking images on your site. |
| 01:54.26 | somiaj | That is what looks like is happening to me, but I'm not sure there. Again just a novice. |
| 01:54.48 | ryn | somiaj maybe i can... i'm pretty novice'y myself |
| 01:55.09 | somiaj | this has been common fora while, should be able to it in apache 2.2 just fine |
| 01:55.25 | ryn | ok i'll look it up |
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| 01:56.33 | somiaj | ryn: http://www.htaccess-guide.com/deny-visitors-by-referrer/ -- something like this. |
| 01:57.30 | somiaj | ryn: the method I used was to only allow my domain name as a referer, and block any access that didn't have my domain name as teh referer (though I belive this can easily be spoofed). But this also means you can't just copy/paste the url of an image and see it, you will also have to go though your site to see the images. |
| 01:58.20 | ryn | using Rewrite? |
| 01:58.27 | imMute | somiaj: the referer is a client-supplied header. therefore it is trivially spoofed. |
| 01:59.03 | ryn | yea i think in our case it's already being spooffed... because the referrer in the access.log is our domain |
| 01:59.04 | somiaj | imMute: yea that is what I thought, though usually stops people from putting them as links on forms or reddit. |
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| 02:00.55 | ryn | when i search google for some of these referral strings, our domain shows up |
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| 02:01.21 | ryn | fairly embarassing :) |
| 02:02.10 | somiaj | ryn: if your domain name is fairly dirty, it may be worth getting a new one. |
| 02:02.31 | ryn | ugh |
| 02:03.38 | somiaj | both domain names and ip's have a 'repetation' that is used to determine spamers and the likes. It takes a lot of work to take a tarnished name or ip and build its repretation back up. Though now we are getting off topic for debian. |
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| 02:04.03 | ryn | totally |
| 02:04.05 | somiaj | ryn: hence why security support is good, so someoen doesn't take your machine, and destory its good repretation by using it to spam. |
| 02:04.08 | ryn | thanks for the input tho! |
| 02:06.59 | somiaj | ryn: also didn't you say you were running squeeze, were you using squeeze-lts. I would run a chkrootkit or rkhunter, it could be that you are actually compermisied and this is part of what has tarnsined your domain. |
| 02:07.33 | somiaj | ryn: i.e. if you were running squeeze without -lts sources, you probabaly had exploits and have been compermised. In that case tak that machien down, and don't restore from backups. Build new and vet all your data. |
| 02:07.59 | ryn | thx somiaj |
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| 02:08.17 | ryn | i did an inplace upgrade to wheezy |
| 02:08.56 | somiaj | ryn: but when, squeeze has not had security support (unless you had -lts sources) for a while. |
| 02:10.00 | ryn | ahh |
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| 03:16.29 | Miesco | mplayer giving me audio errors all of a sudden: http://paste.debian.net/168582/ |
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| 03:18.28 | Miesco | Where did my /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p file? |
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| 03:22.07 | somiaj | Miesco: cat /proc/cards or aplay -l to see what cards alsa currently has loaded drivers for. |
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| 03:23.06 | Miesco | http://paste.pound-python.org/show/GjIkgLtb39AOAgokS9ZU/ |
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| 03:23.17 | somiaj | though it could be just mplay not being told the correct device to use. |
| 03:23.52 | somiaj | are you using hdmi audio, or analog? |
| 03:24.01 | Miesco | somiaj: analog |
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| 03:24.20 | Miesco | card 1 |
| 03:24.34 | somiaj | Miesco: try mplayer -ao=alsa:device-hw=1.0 file |
| 03:24.40 | somiaj | opps |
| 03:24.51 | somiaj | -ao=alsa:device=hw=1.0 |
| 03:25.55 | Miesco | Unknown option on the command line: -ao=alsa:device=hw=1.0 |
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| 03:26.51 | Miesco | somiaj: It was working a bit ago, but now its not after I did some bluetooth stuff |
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| 03:27.27 | somiaj | Miesco: oh sorry, I gave you the syntax for the config file, it is -ao alsa:device=hw=1.0 |
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| 03:28.40 | somiaj | Miesco: yet again, I can't seem to rember the syntax. checking the manpage it is two dashes, so --ao=alsa:.... |
| 03:29.07 | somiaj | Miesco: but anways this tells mplayer to use your exact device. If this doesn't work then you know it isn't an autodetect issue. Did you reboot your machien in 'getting bluetooth to work'? |
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| 03:30.12 | Miesco | somiaj: I havne't rebooted. I was trying to fix without resorting |
| 03:30.55 | somiaj | Miesco: hmm, well check dmesg. You do use alsa (not pulseauido?) |
| 03:31.44 | Miesco | somiaj: I use pulseaudio |
| 03:32.24 | Miesco | somiaj: Okay I killed pulseaudio and that command worked |
| 03:32.42 | somiaj | yes seems like pulseaudio is grabing your device. So you will have to tell mplayer to use pulseaudio |
| 03:33.10 | somiaj | seems you can do that iwht --ao=pulse |
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| 03:35.44 | Miesco | AO: [pulse] Init failed: Connection refused |
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| 03:37.49 | Miesco | somiaj: Okay i restart |
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| 03:41.36 | cheapie | Does anybody know why gcc-<whatever version>-doc is in non-free? |
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| 03:43.20 | cjbayliss | 'cuase that is the way rms wanted it to be! ;-) |
| 03:43.22 | cjbayliss | just kidding |
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| 03:43.32 | cheapie | Heh. |
| 03:43.56 | cheapie | I'm looking at the output of vrms here, and that's the only one that doesn't make sense. |
| 03:45.11 | somiaj | cheapie: check the license, it is in /usr/share/packagename/copyright |
| 03:45.32 | somiaj | I think it has a non-changable clause or something like that |
| 03:45.43 | cheapie | looks |
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| 03:46.58 | cheapie | Blech, screen full of text (and then some). |
| 03:46.59 | Miesco | Okay, its not working. I broke something. |
| 03:47.27 | cheapie | fixes something and wonders if it's the same thing |
| 03:49.13 | Miesco | somiaj: Is it that its reading the wrong sound card? |
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| 03:51.36 | somiaj | Miesco: are you running pulse now, if you are running pulseaudio, tell mplayer to use pulse. (seems to only be looking at alsa and oss by default) |
| 03:52.17 | Miesco | somiaj: I am, it says: AO: [pulse] Init failed: Connection refused |
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| 03:52.57 | somiaj | Miesco: even if pulseaudio is running? I thought you killed it. hmmm |
| 03:53.10 | somiaj | Miesco: I don't use pulse myself so unsure how to deal with it, or what support mplayer has for it |
| 03:53.42 | Miesco | somiaj: I killed it and restarted it |
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| 03:54.00 | Miesco | shawn 17817 0.0 0.1 239300 5408 ? S< 23:48 0:00 pulseaudio --start |
| 03:54.12 | somiaj | Miesco: do other apps play to pulseaudio just fine? |
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| 03:54.20 | somiaj | Miesco: do you have pulse set up to use to correct sound card? |
| 03:55.01 | somiaj | Miesco: just asking basic questions here as I cannot think what the problem is. But when you kill pulse and tell mplayer to use the correct sound card it worked? That means it is a pulse/mplayer configuartion issue, not hardware. |
| 03:55.14 | Miesco | vlc says: cannot open ALSA device "default": No such file or directory |
| 03:55.26 | somiaj | Miesco: again that is using alsa, not pulse |
| 03:55.41 | somiaj | pulse may make it so other things can't access the device and you have to configure it to use pulseaudio. |
| 03:56.02 | somiaj | but I think it is fairly easy to configure vlc though a menu interface |
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| 03:56.59 | Miesco | somiaj: When I kill pulseaudio: pulse audio output error: PulseAudio server connection failure: Connection refused |
| 03:57.02 | Miesco | from vlc |
| 03:57.49 | Miesco | somiaj: Actually no pulse is running |
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| 04:03.07 | Miesco | Gunna deal with this tomorrow |
| 04:03.36 | Rusty1 | Miesco: #pulseaudio, #alsa , #videolan (for vlc) may be worth a visit |
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| 04:11.51 | zerick_ | hi folks, I use irssi on Debian 7 on my VPS, i'm loading an extra module and after some time irssi crashes, it shows it is a segment fault error |
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| 04:22.14 | arielsanflo | multiarch-support_2.19-18_amd64.deb |
| 04:22.18 | arielsanflo | no func |
| 04:22.46 | arielsanflo | http://paste.debian.net/168584/ |
| 04:22.50 | arielsanflo | error |
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| 05:38.46 | moetunes | z8z: what does xrandr in a terminal say about your screens ? |
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| 05:45.39 | z8z | moetunes: wait i check |
| 05:46.35 | z8z | says this http://0bin.net/paste/lohx-aH4RBuCZmNU#3jBS7Nd3hnH+zOnclgwBKCJqW0QcO8I65ZJbyb6-Ui8 |
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| 05:51.18 | Deep6 | guys I've been using #debian for far too long that I feel embarassed to ask this question, but is there a way to query packages that aren't installed on the system with dpkg-query? |
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| 05:52.15 | Deep6 | I've looked through the man page but don't see anything relevant |
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| 06:04.42 | shingouz | Deep6: there should be other options too, but this at least works: make an find an empty directory (or make one), cd into it, then "dpkg-query -l * | grep -v ii | less" |
| 06:05.00 | Deep6 | shingouz: apt-cache show was what I was after... |
| 06:05.17 | Deep6 | and I've probably used apt-cache probably 10,00 times |
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| 06:05.55 | shingouz | Deep6: dpkg -l * | grep -v ii in an empty directory does the same, btw. as i said, there are other options |
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| 06:12.07 | greenit | hi, as Debian 8 is releasing this weekend, i have a question regarding an upgrade: i currently have my repos configured to use "stable", not "wheezy" and i know that this will point to "jessie" very soon. Do i only have to make a normal "apt-get update & apt-get dist-upgrade" to upgrade to "jessie", or do i have to do something extra? afaik systemd |
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| 06:15.27 | nkuttler | greenit: read the release notes. where did you get the idea jessie would be released this weekend anyway? |
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| 06:19.38 | greenit | nkuttler: from here https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2015/03/msg00016.html |
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| 06:33.28 | anddam | I remember there were helping tools for managing packages built and installed using autotools |
| 06:34.05 | anddam | I don't remember those helpers' name and my searches for "debian build package source" are all about building deb packages |
| 06:34.45 | anddam | while these (I remember trying at least two) are aimed at handling software built from source in /usr/local |
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| 06:48.57 | anddam | is http://neuro.debian.net an "official" debian project? |
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| 06:50.36 | anddam | nvm, I see .net and https://wiki.debian.org/UnofficialRepositories |
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| 07:10.54 | z8z | Hello guys.... i installed new debian 8 but now Systemtools->Preferences->Settings->Displays can't see my screens anymore so i can't set external monitor anymore..... any idea? |
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| 07:48.00 | mnathani | whatever happened to that group of folks who were going to fork debian due to the systemd status? |
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| 07:51.29 | Iridos | mnathani, the group of people who all said it would be such a great idea to fork it, but in which neither of them wanted to put any work and effort into it? that group? |
| 07:51.53 | mnathani | the same |
| 07:52.13 | Iridos | I guess they still think it would be a good idea but don't want to put any actual work into it |
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| 07:53.45 | babilen | Who would have guessed? |
| 07:54.07 | babilen | dpkg: devuan |
| 07:54.07 | dpkg | Devuan (https://devuan.org/) is a fork of Debian, meant to avoid dependencies on <systemd>. Not supported in #debian, please see #devuan for support. |
| 07:54.11 | babilen | Ask them |
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| 08:00.16 | z8z | i'm noob on this topic but what is that about? what's wrong with systemd? |
| 08:01.30 | zerick_ | Is consolekit necessary on a headless Debian box? I'm running Wheezy on a VPS |
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| 08:07.28 | babilen | z8z: You can google for it, but my recommendation would be to not waste any time of your life on it. The main gist is that systemd is incorporating too many functions and is become a piece of software that is impossible to avoid. Adversaries argue in favour of a design that is comprised of independent components. |
| 08:08.28 | z8z | babilen: thanks for the info... |
| 08:08.32 | z8z | Hello guys.... i installed new debian 8 but now Systemtools->Preferences->Settings->Displays can't see my screens anymore so i can't set external monitor anymore..... any idea? |
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| 08:08.49 | z8z | babilen: do you know an answer to this too? |
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| 08:10.43 | Iridos | babilen, \o/, you knew more |
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| 08:12.15 | Iridos | z8z, and I think the real gist may be that people have used init.d for 20 years now and know how to use it and don't want to be thrown into something totally different, that also puts its hands into other parts of the system and changes them as well to something one doesn't know... |
| 08:12.31 | dutchfish | z8z, basically, that wm-setting is handed from the ipmi data, which is handed by the kernel at boot time or hotplug functionality |
| 08:12.53 | babilen | z8z: I've never used that. Could you paste the output of "xrandr -q" to http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 08:13.19 | z8z | i see... |
| 08:13.20 | z8z | i paste |
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| 08:13.22 | z8z | wait |
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| 08:14.32 | z8z | http://0bin.net/paste/LkKBDWC4k-yXg0g3#JeOElZaVAsxhif1h1hRFdkbttf9S93VL8gFvPNTOd0s |
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| 08:15.21 | babilen | I see nothing on that page |
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| 08:15.33 | z8z | ??? |
| 08:15.57 | babilen | They require me to accept their cookies -- bad website! |
| 08:15.58 | Iridos | babilen, it uses some weird javascript-decoding stuff |
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| 08:16.18 | Iridos | you don't like cookies?!?! they're tasty! |
| 08:16.32 | z8z | http://pastebin.com/2Gnjug9y |
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| 08:16.55 | babilen | z8z: Okay, that shows a single display connected to your box. Is that correct? |
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| 08:17.02 | Iridos | z8z, just FYI, there's a splendid paste.debian.net, which is also ad-free :P |
| 08:17.18 | z8z | yes is laptop screen |
| 08:17.23 | babilen | z8z: pastebin.com is much worse, I'd rather accept 0bin's cookies than look at pastebin.com :) |
| 08:17.38 | Iridos | gives babilen a rusk |
| 08:17.56 | z8z | babilen: 0bin is OP.... encrypted |
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| 08:18.03 | babilen | z8z: Okay, so that seems to be perfectly fine then. What happens if you connect an external screen? |
| 08:18.16 | babilen | z8z: Yes, I figured as much |
| 08:18.19 | z8z | babilen: so they don't get pissed of with the stuff i paste :D |
| 08:18.54 | Iridos | "they"? |
| 08:19.08 | z8z | Iridos: server owners :D |
| 08:19.43 | Iridos | looking at your offensive screen resolutions? figures. |
| 08:19.51 | GPenguin | :P |
| 08:20.01 | babilen | chuckles |
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| 08:20.21 | z8z | http://pastebin.com/ngvjcCbN |
| 08:20.27 | z8z | this is after i plug screen |
| 08:21.00 | z8z | but still displays app can't see any of those |
| 08:21.01 | z8z | bug? |
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| 08:25.11 | z8z | :( |
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| 08:28.06 | Iridos | "displays apps"? |
| 08:28.12 | Iridos | applications never see a screen |
| 08:28.12 | anddam | In jessie I only see python-pyqt5 packages for Qt 5 while python3 has pyqt4 as well, why is this? |
| 08:28.16 | Iridos | their windows get placed on it |
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| 08:28.43 | z8z | Systemtools->Preferences->Settings->Displays |
| 08:28.52 | z8z | if i open it i can't see any screen |
| 08:29.08 | z8z | before i could see both and change settings as i liked |
| 08:29.23 | z8z | i think it's a bug |
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| 08:33.43 | pox | hi all :-) a very quick question... is it possible to install the proprietary ATI driver on debian testing? I installed the open driver (firmware-linux-nonfree) but I've got a very high speed fan everytime... I read that it could be a driver problem... |
| 08:34.43 | Brigo | pox, yes, you only need to add non-free repository and install it. |
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| 08:35.25 | pox | Brigo, thanks for your answer :-) is it the same if I download them from ATI website? |
| 08:35.39 | Brigo | pox, of course no. |
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| 08:36.04 | Brigo | If you install thing from outsaid debian you will get no support. You will be on you own. |
| 08:36.35 | Brigo | besides, it is easier to install it from debian repos :) |
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| 08:36.41 | Brigo | !non-free |
| 08:36.41 | dpkg | [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 08:36.43 | pox | Brigo: ok perfect :-) I will install them from debian repos :-) |
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| 08:37.02 | somiaj | pox: it is the same driver from amd.com, except for two important things. 1) It may be a few versions behind (debian has to take time to package the driver). 2) It is integrated with your system so dpkg knows about it and won't overwrite any of its files on accident and is designed to better integrate with a debian system. |
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| 08:37.41 | Brigo | you will need to install fglrx-driver package: fglrx-driver - non-free ATI/AMD RadeonHD display driver |
| 08:37.52 | pox | thanks somiaj for your explanation :-) |
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| 08:38.10 | pox | I've only this tedious problem with the fan :-( |
| 08:38.23 | pox | i hope that installing fglrx-driver could help me |
| 08:39.06 | shay_shay | hai |
| 08:39.37 | pox | somiaj: do you think that installing fglrx-driver could fix my problem? :-) |
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| 08:40.55 | shay_shay | networking is a bit different in jessie? i noticed my /etc/network/interfaces file is empty on a new install (not a desktop install), but its getting dhcp readily. so where is the config at? |
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| 08:41.18 | Brigo | shay_shay, are you using network-manager? |
| 08:41.23 | shay_shay | no |
| 08:41.33 | z8z | guys.... is you display settings app working for you? :( |
| 08:41.40 | Brigo | then may be networkd form systemd? |
| 08:42.00 | Brigo | z8z, yes. But i have only 1 display. |
| 08:42.02 | somiaj | pox: unsure, I don't know how much the driver effects the fan on a gpu, or if it is interal heat sensors on the gpu itself. |
| 08:42.19 | shay_shay | Brigo: network manager is not installed, yeah thats what i was thinking networkd was doing it |
| 08:42.30 | z8z | Brigo: me too but i can't see it |
| 08:42.34 | Brigo | got to go, sorry :) |
| 08:42.41 | shay_shay | noooo |
| 08:42.46 | shay_shay | dont go :) |
| 08:44.07 | somiaj | I thought debian still used the interfaces file over networkd. Maybe either can be used. |
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| 08:44.40 | pox | somiaj: k thanks :-) I will try on a fresh debian installation... |
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| 08:45.15 | z8z | it's end... i will not have external screen anymore :( |
| 08:45.38 | somiaj | z8z: what is the output of 'xrandr -q' can it see teh monintor is pluged in? |
| 08:45.39 | z8z | i knew i had to test before changing to debian 8 |
| 08:45.50 | z8z | yes it can see |
| 08:46.01 | z8z | http://pastebin.com/ngvjcCbN |
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| 08:47.09 | shay_shay | ahhh somiaj Brigo I have a /etc/systemd/network/eth0.network which tells it to use dhcp |
| 08:47.18 | shay_shay | that was the first time I saw such a thing |
| 08:47.32 | shay_shay | ...on debian |
| 08:47.55 | somiaj | shay_shay: did you do anything special? Is this a fresh jessie install? Wonder what could be defaulting to use networkd. It is included with systemd but afiak the interfaces file is still 'default' |
| 08:48.19 | shay_shay | somiaj: its not a product of the D-i |
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| 08:49.06 | shay_shay | it's from a disk image someone else configured |
| 08:49.21 | somiaj | ahh, must have been someone else decided to use networkd, and as you see it can work. (: |
| 08:49.50 | shay_shay | indeed |
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| 08:51.28 | tremon | shay_shay: be aware that systemd-networkd (more or less) requires systemd-resolved, and the latter does not do search domains: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85397 |
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| 08:52.53 | tremon | if you want to reach servers by their hostname instead of fqdn, resolv.conf should be maintained manually |
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| 08:56.23 | anddam | when I pipe aptitude's search output into a pager the columns are way smaller than my terminal |
| 08:56.31 | anddam | how can I set that? |
| 08:57.06 | somiaj | I know you can set the COLUMNS= env variable for dpkg, not sure if aptitude accepts this or not, check the man page |
| 08:57.16 | shay_shay | tremon: seems my router is doing the search domain though |
| 08:57.30 | anddam | somiaj: will do thanks |
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| 08:57.45 | anddam | anything about the pyqt thing? is qt4 not supported on jessie? |
| 08:57.48 | somiaj | anddam: seems that is a dpkg thing, but I did see a --disable-columns option for apptiude. |
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| 08:58.50 | somiaj | anddam: there is also a -F command to set the output formatting as well |
| 09:00.01 | shay_shay | COLUMNS=$(tput cols) |
| 09:00.32 | z8z | so noone can tell me how to solve that problem? |
| 09:01.27 | svetlana | which problem |
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| 09:02.18 | shay_shay | z8z: my displays are showing up fine? |
| 09:03.08 | z8z | shay_shay: mine are not shown at all :( |
| 09:03.24 | z8z | shay_shay: was all working before upgrade to jessie |
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| 09:04.12 | shay_shay | z8z: what desktop? |
| 09:05.25 | z8z | shay_shay: gnome flashback |
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| 09:07.30 | shay_shay | z8z: can you make a new user with adduser and then login to gnome with it? |
| 09:08.04 | shay_shay | it might be old settings which are gunking it up and that will at least tell you yey or nay |
| 09:08.31 | z8z | ok i just logout with my user and try.... i'll come back in a sec |
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| 09:10.21 | anddam | yep, I saw the disable columns |
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| 09:11.11 | z8z | shay_shay: omg that is the problem |
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| 09:11.13 | anddam | wow, "set: Tried to change the read-only variable âCOLUMNSâ" |
| 09:11.29 | z8z | shay_shay: it works with gnome classic but not with gnome flashback |
| 09:11.43 | z8z | shay_shay: any idea how can i get it to work with gnome flashback? |
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| 09:15.34 | shay_shay | z8z: search for a matching bug report, and if there isnt one yet then submit one. it might be a quick fix, you never know |
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| 09:18.06 | fn | good morning. |
| 09:18.26 | fn | "opensmtpd" is now in SID. will it be in stable for jessie tomorrow? |
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| 09:23.12 | jelly | fn: not without manual approval |
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| 09:24.05 | fn | okay. so how can i do that? (sorry. it's maybe a noob question, but i'm new on linux!) |
| 09:25.16 | WormFood | Anyone have any ideas why LibreOffice would be painfully slow to draw the screen? When I switch columns in Calc, I can actually notice it erase and draw the highlights. This is a 4Ghz i7, with 32 gig of ram, and an ati hd7950, so it's not a performance issue (the machine is not being overloaded). |
| 09:25.39 | anddam | while in testing can I have a backport from unstable? |
| 09:25.46 | anddam | mmm that's a XY |
| 09:26.02 | anddam | I'm on Jessie and I'd like to have fish shell 2.x that is in unstable |
| 09:26.06 | anddam | how should I proceed? |
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| 09:26.31 | jelly | anddam: create a local backport, /msg dpkg ssb |
| 09:26.45 | shay_shay | fn^ |
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| 09:27.24 | petn-randall | WormFood: Sounds like you don't have work hardware acceleration. What is the full output of 'glxinfo'? â http://paste.debian.net |
| 09:27.51 | WormFood | petn-randall, that was the first thing I checked, when I had this problem. |
| 09:28.01 | jelly | fn: oh sorry, you don't. This is for debian ftpmasters and maintainers, I think, to solve. At this point in time it's not very likely it will be present in jessie. |
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| 09:28.50 | anddam | jelly: the first part of the factoid says to check bdo, I had done that already but my issue is that bdo is about wheezy and squeeze while I'm already on jessie |
| 09:29.15 | WormFood | petn-randall, http://paste.debian.net/hidden/fbeb4b37/ |
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| 09:29.47 | jelly | anddam: so skip to the second part |
| 09:30.29 | petn-randall | WormFood: Hmm, are there any errors in /var/log/Xorg.0.log or ~/.xsession-errors? |
| 09:32.09 | shay_shay | me wonders when judd checkbackport in this channel will be changed to show jessie<-sid like it does in #debian-next |
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| 09:32.40 | anddam | jelly: and I guess I can skip the "enable backports" part as well since the package isn't there, is that correct? |
| 09:32.48 | fn | jelly: so what's my alternative? manual install or postfix? |
| 09:33.11 | WormFood | petn-randall, of course there are no errors in /var/log/Xorg.0.log, or Xorg wouldn't start in the first place. ~/.xsession-errors shows some warnings, for evolution, but without timestamps, I can't even tell when those happened. Nothing related to libreoffice |
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| 09:33.45 | anddam | WormFood: no I remember EE lines in Xorg with it working, for instance when failing at setting a mode and falling back onto another |
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| 09:34.51 | shay_shay | fn: youll have to build it from sid sources like anddam is about to do. |
| 09:35.14 | petn-randall | WormFood: I'm helping you debug your issue. You didn't mention that you checked that. So what else have you done? |
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| 09:36.55 | WormFood | petn-randall, googling. I suspect the problem is related to my video drivers. |
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| 09:37.48 | WormFood | I was going to AMD/ATI's page, to see if they fixed any recent problems, but these retards insist on giving me their page in Chinese, despite the fact that my browsers is only requesting English pages. |
| 09:38.00 | petn-randall | WormFood: Btw, X11 will start fine with warnings, and when falling back to non-ideal settings. |
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| 09:38.12 | jelly | fn: you can do a backport as well, but you'll have to worry about any security yourself |
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| 09:38.29 | WormFood | I know it will start with warnings. You asked about errors, which will prevent it from starting. |
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| 09:40.24 | anddam | with the deb-src line from sid in sources.list and after updating apt if I run "aptitude show fish" I see 1.23 that's the version in jessie rather than 2.11 that's the version in sid, why is this' |
| 09:40.26 | anddam | ? |
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| 09:40.50 | volter | Hello, I'm trying to create a personal backport of a Jessie package for Wheezy. I created a chroot and I'm now trying to perform the build, but I end up with debuild not finding a file. |
| 09:40.57 | volter | It's probably something really stupid. |
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| 09:41.06 | volter | cp: cannot stat `debian/tmp/src/redis-server': No such file or directory |
| 09:41.11 | shay_shay | WormFood: this is in mine and it started fine /var/log/Xorg.1.log:[ 221.149] (EE) Failed to load module "nv" (module does not exist, 0) |
| 09:41.15 | volter | Why or what is it searching for there? |
| 09:41.30 | fn | jelly: what would you recommend me now? |
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| 09:42.09 | jelly | fn: I don't know how attached you are to opensmtpd |
| 09:42.36 | fn | rl m8s recommend me opensmtpd |
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| 09:42.46 | WormFood | shay_shay, thanks for sharing that with me. I don't think I've ever seen it start with any (EE) |
| 09:43.22 | moty66 | is it possible to know if a binary do any file execution, I used strace, but the output is difficult to understand |
| 09:43.49 | WormFood | moty66, also try ltrace |
| 09:44.52 | moty66 | WormFood: it is not installed and I don't have the right to install it |
| 09:45.28 | moty66 | WormFood: is that possible with trace? what do I have to look for? I see some stat and access for some files |
| 09:45.31 | WormFood | moty66, get your admin to install it for you ;) |
| 09:45.42 | moty66 | but I am not sure how to filter the file execution |
| 09:45.45 | WormFood | strace can be very frustrating to search through. |
| 09:45.55 | moty66 | WormFood: It is not possible to ask the admin :D |
| 09:46.16 | WormFood | strace has an option to also follow threads. You probably want that enabled. |
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| 09:47.08 | WormFood | I'd search for "exec", but that is just a guess |
| 09:47.19 | WormFood | also, pstree, might be of some help there too |
| 09:48.18 | WormFood | try "man exec", and you'll see a lot of different exec_ commands, for launching other processes. I'm not sure what other mechanisms there are, for launching other processes from C (I presume you're working with a program written in C) |
| 09:48.37 | moty66 | ok thanks |
| 09:48.42 | WormFood | good luck |
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| 09:52.45 | vroomfondel | dkms claims that it doesn't find the Linux headers. apt-get claims that they are already installed and refuses to install them again |
| 09:52.58 | jelly | fn: if they're going to be available for help when stuff breaks, then use it. If you don't have experience with either one, I'd say go with what's available in this release. |
| 09:53.13 | anddam | vroomfondel: you could be talking about different versions |
| 09:53.43 | vroomfondel | anddam: no, both specify the exact package name |
| 09:53.57 | vroomfondel | anddam: I am using a backport kernel, tho |
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| 09:54.23 | anddam | vroomfondel: I can't really help you, but I suggest to bpaste some info |
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| 09:57.19 | vroomfondel | I have no idea where dkms tries to get the headers from. If I give --kernelsourcedir it ignores them too |
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| 10:00.00 | lopho_ | I have a problem reporting a bug |
| 10:00.10 | lopho_ | I'm using debian wheezy updated to latest versions |
| 10:00.17 | lopho_ | but when using reportbug, it says this: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Hnby5WaQ |
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| 10:00.30 | lopho_ | I get this in the logs and I'm somewhat paranoid: php5-fpm[26918] general protection ip:67ed66 sp:7fffc4ab7c30 error:0 in php5-fpm[400000+75a000] |
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| 10:01.30 | anddam | oh, smooth move |
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| 10:01.40 | anddam | I just locked me out of the terminal |
| 10:02.04 | anddam | I built fish 2.1.1, installed the resulting deb with dpkg, the install failed due to missing fish-common |
| 10:02.20 | anddam | now fish from jessie doesn't work and - drum roll - it was my login shell |
| 10:02.23 | petn-randall | lopho_: Can you show us the output of 'apt-cache policy'? â http://paste.debian.net |
| 10:02.31 | anddam | and I don't remember the root password since I always go through sudo |
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| 10:02.43 | anddam | sweet, isn't it? |
| 10:02.50 | petn-randall | anddam: Congrats! You get to keep the pieces. :) |
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| 10:03.32 | lopho_ | Sure. http://paste.debian.net/168611/ |
| 10:03.36 | anddam | can I ssh into the system while specifying a different shell? |
| 10:03.49 | anddam | "ssh mysytem /bin/bash" gives a silent terminal |
| 10:04.00 | anddam | while "ssh mysystem" fives the fish complaints about missing pieces |
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| 10:04.07 | Iridos | duh... I had a file with ISO-8859 text from a windows machine... and xclip just produces an empty buffer on that |
| 10:04.10 | fraff | anddam: ssh -t ? |
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| 10:04.39 | anddam | fraff: could be, I don't know how pseudotty works |
| 10:05.01 | anddam | yay |
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| 10:05.27 | anddam | now dpkg shows "iU fish 2.1.1.dfsg-3 amd64 friendly interactive shell" |
| 10:05.40 | lopho_ | petn-randall, maybe because of the backports in sources.list? |
| 10:05.45 | anddam | while fish-common package is "un" |
| 10:05.52 | lopho_ | I'm sorry, this is the first debian bugreport I make |
| 10:08.53 | anddam | fraff: that did the trick btw, thanks |
| 10:09.04 | anddam | now I'm on bash as login shell |
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| 10:12.05 | vroomfondel | aren't the linux-headers just a pure sourcecode package? when I try to install them, the postinstall says that module "rt2x00pci" is in use (my wifi driver I think) |
| 10:13.19 | anddam | shouldn't dpkg have prevented me from installing a .deb without its dependencies? |
| 10:13.24 | anddam | or is that APT's job? |
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| 10:18.08 | WormFood | anddam, by default it should have, but that can be overriden |
| 10:18.45 | volter | I solved my issue. The source tree wasn't set up as it was supposed to be. |
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| 10:24.51 | petn-randall | vroomfondel: Can you show the full output? â http://paste.debian.net |
| 10:24.52 | Siente_ | hello guys, how to update my gpu drivers? |
| 10:25.06 | petn-randall | Siente_: 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade' |
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| 10:26.30 | vroomfondel | petn-randall: sorry, just shut the system down, have to leave. But thank you anyways |
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| 10:27.54 | vegard | hi I tried to upgrade wheezy to jessie but the screensaver launched somewhere in the middle of the process and all text displays as a series of boxes and there's no way to type the password to unlock it |
| 10:28.16 | vegard | I'm not sure how to report the bug |
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| 10:29.15 | TinSoldier | heyho |
| 10:29.33 | vegard | the screen looks like this: http://i.imgur.com/BVLxA9n.png if I try to type anything or move the mouse it just goes back to black |
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| 10:35.01 | TinSoldier | got a problem with my desktop environment |
| 10:35.14 | TinSoldier | it's not there :/ |
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| 10:39.42 | woffs | vegard: don't know if this is a bug; I would recommend using the console for a dist upgrade anyway. |
| 10:40.02 | petn-randall | vegard: You can switch to a VT, log in as root and continue from there. |
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| 10:40.34 | lopho_ | Would you reinstall debian if you get errors like WARNING: [pool www] child 27840 exited on signal 11 (SIGSEGV) in php logs? |
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| 10:41.11 | lopho_ | I'm afraid to have been trojanized although I have debian stable updated everyday and very restrictive iptables |
| 10:42.01 | anddam | why aren't there python qt4 packages in jessie but there are python3 ones? |
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| 10:42.06 | petn-randall | lopho_: Do you buy a new car if the old one shows problems you haven't checked yet? |
| 10:42.08 | anddam | I mean am I missing something? |
| 10:42.10 | jelly | lopho_: not enough data. find the access.log and error.log lines related to the segfaults |
| 10:43.06 | lopho_ | petn-randall, no, but in this case reinstalling debian only cost me some hours of work, although configuring mail is a pain |
| 10:43.13 | lopho_ | thanks |
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| 10:43.37 | jelly | ,v python-qt4 |
| 10:43.37 | lopho_ | I'm afraid someone gained access and having an invisible rootkit |
| 10:43.38 | judd | Package: python-qt4 on amd64 -- squeeze: 4.7.3-1+squeeze1; wheezy: 4.9.3-4; sid: 4.11.2+dfsg-1; jessie: 4.11.2+dfsg-1; experimental: 4.11.3+dfsg-1 |
| 10:44.17 | jelly | anddam: python-qt4 seems to be present in jessie |
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| 10:45.03 | TinSoldier | any tipps on how to troubleshoot gnome? |
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| 10:45.13 | TinSoldier | can't get it running |
| 10:46.32 | anddam | jelly: mmm my aptitude search \~npyqt4 only shows python3-* packages |
| 10:47.04 | jelly | seems correct |
| 10:47.25 | anddam | jelly: while you wrote "python-qt4" that I don't see at all |
| 10:47.29 | anddam | not even on PDO |
| 10:47.49 | anddam | why is that? |
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| 10:48.38 | jelly | anddam: how did you look? http://packages.debian.org/python-qt4 |
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| 10:49.15 | anddam | oh python-qt4 |
| 10:49.20 | anddam | I looked for python-pyqt4 |
| 10:49.33 | anddam | because there's python3-pyqt4 |
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| 10:51.02 | Lope2 | what is "sources.list~" ? |
| 10:51.06 | Sander^work | Hi. Do anyone know why ssh stops working while I get this error message: http://ge.tt/8BhmU6F2/v/0?c ? |
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| 10:51.36 | jelly | Lope2: filenames ending in ~ are usually text editor generated backups |
| 10:51.37 | anddam | jelly: seems there's been a name change in python 2/3 qt packages |
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| 10:53.32 | Lope2 | jelly: oh, strange. |
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| 10:54.03 | jelly | Sander^work: looks like a partial message from an out-of-memory condition |
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| 10:55.00 | ntwari | ntwari |
| 10:55.05 | Sander^work | jelly: I upgraded memory from 2 to 8 gb. the error still comes, even tho I dont get prompted about too little memory in vmware anymore. |
| 10:55.46 | jelly | Sander^work: you'll have to figure out which processes leak, then |
| 10:56.06 | Sander^work | jelly: how do I do that? |
| 10:56.10 | jelly | Sander^work: is this actually debian? The screenshot name suggests otherwise |
| 10:56.14 | anddam | jelly: should python-qt4 be renamed to python-pyqt4? |
| 10:56.33 | Sander^work | jelly: yes. its an very old version of debian. |
| 10:56.59 | Sander^work | jelly: sorry, I named it wrong. |
| 10:57.23 | Sander^work | We have some ubuntu and some debian, but this one is defenetely debian. |
| 10:57.23 | jelly | anddam: at this point, no |
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| 10:58.45 | jelly | Sander^work: which kernel version and debian release? If it's fresh enough you can install atop and inspect its logs to find out which process eats memory |
| 10:59.40 | Sander^work | jelly: 2.6.18-6 |
| 11:00.28 | jelly | sounds like Debian 4 (etch) |
| 11:00.29 | Sander^work | Debian version 4 ;-) |
| 11:00.31 | Sander^work | Yes |
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| 11:03.04 | SynrG | Sander^work: support for etch expired a very long time ago |
| 11:03.36 | SynrG | Sander^work: can you not upgrade? |
| 11:04.21 | jelly | Sander^work: that very old kernel probably has very old bugs and does not deal with OOM well |
| 11:04.47 | Sander^work | SynrG, apparantly not at the moment, as there are depencendies on theese old systems. But it's in the path to discontinue them, untill then I have to fix it. |
| 11:04.58 | SynrG | i see. |
| 11:05.06 | SynrG | which dependencies, might i ask? |
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| 11:07.53 | jelly | Sander^work: at least you got rid of the hardware |
| 11:08.02 | Sander^work | SynrG, old websites which needs to be remade |
| 11:08.09 | Sander^work | jelly: yep :-) |
| 11:08.37 | Sander^work | I got atop installed. |
| 11:08.40 | SynrG | Sander^work: could you keep the dependent software running on an even more stripped back etch system (i.e. just a chroot running on a supported system)? or is that too much work considering they will eventually be discontinued? |
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| 11:08.58 | SynrG | it wouldn't even need ssh |
| 11:09.09 | jelly | Sander^work: that version might be too old to do logging to disk, you may have to compile a newer one |
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| 11:09.15 | Sander^work | SynrG, too much work for nothing. |
| 11:09.22 | SynrG | yeah. i figured |
| 11:09.36 | SynrG | well. sounds like you're having an "interesting" day. good luck |
| 11:10.40 | Lope2 | how can I install libvirt-bin and force it to come from wheezy backports? |
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| 11:11.41 | Lope2 | I've got 2 Debian OpenVZ installs. Both show /etc/debian_version===7.8 Both running kernel: 2.6.32-openvz-042stab106.4-amd64 both have the same /etc/apt/sources.list files. Both have the same /etc/apt/sources.list.d/openvs-rhel6.list file saying "deb http://download.openvz.org/debian wheezy main" |
| 11:11.47 | Lope2 | Both have done apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. yet libvirtd --version on my old box is 1.2.9. And on my new box it's 0.9.12.3 |
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| 11:12.49 | Lope2 | I compared dpkg -l on both boxes, and saw the old box has libvirt-daemon. So I tried to install that on the new box, and it said libvirt-daemon : Depends: libvirt0 (= 1.2.9-9~bpo70+1) but 0.9.12.3-1+deb7u1 is to be installed |
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| 11:13.10 | SynrG | Lope2: that's not how backports work. are you talking about installing from official debian backports *instead* of openvz.org? |
| 11:13.28 | Lope2 | I can't remember how I setup my old server. |
| 11:13.32 | SynrG | just read the instructions: |
| 11:13.35 | SynrG | !debian-backports |
| 11:13.35 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <wheezy backports>) and oldstable (<squeeze backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg> <bdo NEW>. |
| 11:13.42 | Lope2 | basically I want to run a recent libvirt-bin alongside openvz with an openvz kernel. |
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| 11:14.13 | Lope2 | I'm trying to setup my new server to be able to run the same software as the old one. |
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| 11:14.55 | Lope2 | I found this on my old server in /etc/apt/sources.list: "deb http://http.debian.net/debian wheezy-backports main" |
| 11:15.03 | SynrG | stop talking ... :) |
| 11:15.06 | Lope2 | (at the end of the regular stuff) |
| 11:15.09 | SynrG | *read* the instructions (see link above) |
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| 11:16.49 | Lope2 | okay, but how do I know what packages on my old box are backports? is there a way to list them all? |
| 11:17.20 | Lope2 | and is it possile to upgrade wheezy package to a backport package? or do i need to remove the wheezy, then install the backport package? |
| 11:17.34 | SynrG | sure: |
| 11:17.36 | SynrG | !bdo list |
| 11:17.36 | dpkg | To list all packages you have installed from <debian backports>: «aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Debian Backports))' --disable-columns -F%p»; apt must know about the origin repository for this to work (i.e. you have a 'deb' line for it in sources.list and 'apt-get update' has been run). To list all backported packages available for your system: «aptitude search '?origin(Debian Backports)'». See also <which repo>. |
| 11:17.59 | SynrG | you don't need to remove. you just need to install each one, specifying -t wheezy-backports target as per Instructions above. |
| 11:18.20 | Lope2 | awesome, thanks :) |
| 11:18.26 | SynrG | it is by design that they don't just automatically upgrade. otherwise you'd end up with *everything* from backports |
| 11:18.35 | SynrG | which is almost certainly not desired, and dubious if it would even work |
| 11:18.36 | Lope2 | lol yeah :) |
| 11:19.11 | SynrG | but once you've installed from backports, apt-get upgrade will upgrade from backports for that package |
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| 11:19.18 | Lope2 | thank you so much!!! |
| 11:19.32 | SynrG | (again mentioned in Instructions: ButAutomaticUpgrades: yes) |
| 11:19.37 | SynrG | np |
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| 11:20.26 | SynrG | Lope2: i believe i mentioned this before: the further your userspace gets away from the kernel, the more likely you'll encounter issues due to the discrepancy |
| 11:20.32 | SynrG | so shop around for different hosting :p |
| 11:21.25 | Lope2 | so when I install a wheezy backport, which distro does it come from? |
| 11:21.41 | SynrG | wheezy-backports |
| 11:21.46 | Lope2 | I've got a dedi, in this case. |
| 11:21.54 | SynrG | it is its own distro |
| 11:22.00 | Lope2 | oh, ok :) |
| 11:22.06 | SynrG | but it is derived from testing *at the time it was backported* |
| 11:22.14 | Lope2 | so squeeze was 6, wheezy is 7 and jessie is 8? |
| 11:22.19 | SynrG | which means it "somewhat matches" testing |
| 11:22.26 | SynrG | could lag a bit behind the current |
| 11:22.51 | SynrG | yes. so wheezy gets its backports from jessie. jessie will get its backports from stretch. |
| 11:24.09 | SynrG | ,v libvirt-bin |
| 11:24.10 | judd | Package: libvirt-bin on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 0.8.3-5+squeeze5; squeeze: 0.8.3-5+squeeze5; squeeze-backports: 0.9.12-11~bpo60+1; wheezy: 0.9.12.3-1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 0.9.12.3-1+deb7u1; wheezy-backports: 1.2.9-9~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.2.9-9; sid: 1.2.9-10; experimental: 1.2.14-2 |
| 11:24.40 | SynrG | in this case the versions exactly match |
| 11:24.43 | Lope2 | Do you think it might be a bad idea to just install every backport package that is on my old server? If I just install something like qemu, will that cause it's dependents like qemu-system to be upgraded to wheezy-backports as well? |
| 11:25.00 | Lope2 | Because the list includes some weird stuff like seabios. |
| 11:25.14 | SynrG | the -t wheezy-backports means deps should be satisfied from wheezy-backports too, i believe. |
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| 11:26.07 | Lope2 | oh, seabios is a BIOS for VM's. |
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| 11:26.19 | Lope2 | I thought maybe it was firmware for my old server. |
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| 11:26.50 | Lope2 | thanks |
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| 11:30.21 | Lope2 | It doesn't want to install updated deps |
| 11:30.38 | Lope2 | apt-get -t wheezy-backports install qemu |
| 11:30.47 | Lope2 | Depends: qemu-system (>= 2.1+dfsg-9~bpo70+1) but it is not going to be installed |
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| 11:33.52 | SynrG | some conflict, i guess |
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| 11:34.07 | SynrG | you many need some manual solution to resolve it |
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| 11:39.11 | Lope2 | Weird, because my config is the same as my old server. |
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| 11:39.34 | Lope2 | I tried removing qemu and libvirt-bin etc. but I get the same error when trying to install the backport. |
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| 11:43.34 | Lope2 | This is weird. I installed openbios-ppc from backports. then I tried to install qemu-system-ppc, and it says: qemu-system-ppc : Depends: openbios-ppc (>= 1.1+svn1229) but 1.0+svn1060-1 is to be installed |
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| 11:44.31 | Lope2 | I've done apt-get update, upgrade, dist-upgrade. didn't help. |
| 11:44.56 | Sarodj | Hey guys, I'm trying to increase my root FS's size but experience some errors. commandline output says more then a 1000 words: https://p.6core.net/p/aQyjKdnx3ATwytdMRXYiWAld |
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| 11:46.21 | Lope2 | Oh, I think I need to purge! |
| 11:46.28 | Lope2 | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/cannot-install-vlc-backports-on-debian-wheezy-4175493743/ |
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| 11:49.12 | Exagone313 | hello, is it possible to install debian from a debian installation, not a live cd? |
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| 11:49.22 | Exagone313 | my question is weird |
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| 11:49.48 | Lope2 | I'm going nazi on my apt now. |
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| 11:51.26 | Phil-Work | Exagone313, you can write a disk image to another disk, if that's what you're asking |
| 11:51.49 | Lope2 | I just ran apt-get purge init-system-helpers ipxe-qemu libiscsi2 librados2 librbd1 libspice-server1 libsystemd-daemon0 libusb-1.0-0 libusbredirparser1 libvirt-bin libvirt-clients libvirt-daemon libvirt-daemon-system libvirt0 libxcb-glx0 qemu qemu-slof qemu-system qemu-system-arm qemu-system-common qemu-system-mips qemu-system-misc qemu-system-ppc qemu-system-sparc qemu-system-x86 qemu-user qemu-user-binfmt qemu-utils seabios && apt-g |
| 11:51.50 | Lope2 | et autoremove && apt-get clean |
| 11:51.52 | Exagone313 | no, use a debian install like it was a live cd |
| 11:51.55 | Lope2 | and I'm still having the same issue. |
| 11:52.00 | Exagone313 | and install debian on another harddrive |
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| 11:52.52 | Phil-Work | not in the same way, but you can do it using disk images |
| 11:53.01 | Lope2 | haha, I'm getting close to running something like apt-get purge `dpkg -l | awk '{print $1}'` lol (just kidding) |
| 11:53.10 | Posterdati | hi |
| 11:53.28 | Posterdati | so tomorrow is the big day |
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| 11:54.21 | Posterdati | will be problem to upgrade from 7.8? |
| 11:54.55 | Lope2 | whoa, what about running this? nobody suggested that... `apt-get -t wheezy-backports dist-upgrade` |
| 11:55.06 | Lope2 | I saw that on a forum somewhere. |
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| 11:55.44 | bezaban | make sure your sources.list say wheezy unless you want to pull in full upgrades :) |
| 11:55.49 | bezaban | which of course some may want immediately |
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| 11:56.28 | Lope2 | my sources.list is all the normal stuff (6 lines) and 1 line of backports at the bottom. |
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| 11:57.15 | Lope2 | ok I'm going for it lol |
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| 12:03.28 | Aprendiz1234_ | hi all |
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| 12:03.48 | Aprendiz1234_ | anyone know where is knownhosts for apache user? |
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| 12:05.59 | petn-randall | lopho_: Do you see any signs of a break-in? |
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| 12:11.53 | SynrG | Lope2: do you have a death wish? no, of course you shouldn't do that :( |
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| 12:12.15 | nullbyte_ | tommorow debian 8 will be released :) |
| 12:12.24 | SynrG | sorry i was not here to hand-hold you through fixing the dependency issue, but i never imagined you'd resort to this :( |
| 12:12.25 | nullbyte_ | which KDE and GNOME? |
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| 12:12.37 | SynrG | ,v kde-full |
| 12:12.38 | judd | Package: kde-full on amd64 -- squeeze: 5:66; wheezy: 5:77+deb7u1; sid: 5:84; jessie: 5:84 |
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| 12:12.47 | SynrG | hmm. wrong version# |
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| 12:12.54 | DexterF | hi |
| 12:13.15 | nullbyte_ | SynrG: what? |
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| 12:13.40 | SynrG | the version of metapackage is *not* in any way, shape or form related to the version of kde |
| 12:14.15 | SynrG | ,v kde-runtime |
| 12:14.16 | judd | Package: kde-runtime on amd64 -- wheezy: 4:4.8.4-2; jessie: 4:4.14.2-2; sid: 4:4.14.2-2; experimental: 4:14.12.3-1 |
| 12:14.18 | DexterF | when netstat says: TCP alice:57771 bob:445 CLOSE_WAIT then bob's port 445 had a connection open to alice and alice signaled to close it but it does not happen? |
| 12:14.20 | SynrG | nullbyte_: this ^ |
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| 12:15.35 | SynrG | ,v gnome-core |
| 12:15.35 | judd | Package: gnome-core on amd64 -- squeeze: 1:2.30+7; wheezy: 1:3.4+7+deb7u1; jessie: 1:3.14+3; sid: 1:3.14+3 |
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| 12:16.05 | SynrG | nullbyte_: and this ^. so KDE 4.14.2 and GNOME 3.14 |
| 12:16.29 | nullbyte_ | mh |
| 12:16.31 | nullbyte_ | understand |
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| 12:26.40 | lopho_ | petn-randall, no, system works fine, only that errors. Some time ago I got 502 bad gateway but giving more memory to nginx it got solved. chkrootkit does not give any alert |
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| 12:28.35 | ntz | hello |
| 12:28.44 | ntz | is there something similar like `yum history' ? |
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| 12:29.05 | SynrG | you need to explain what that is and then we can tell you if there's something similar. |
| 12:29.43 | SynrG | in general, it's a safe bet that the majority of distro X do not know distro Y's distro-specific tools |
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| 12:29.48 | ntz | it shows you the history of your actions (not the same like rpm --qa --last, but similar like solaris pkg history) eg: |
| 12:30.38 | ntz | SynrG: http://susepaste.org/view/raw/92524844 |
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| 12:31.47 | SynrG | to the best of my knowledge there is no such tool. however, /var/log/dpkg.log tracks all changes at the lowest level regardless of what package tool you used. |
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| 12:32.08 | ntz | hmm, ok, thanks |
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| 12:32.18 | SynrG | additionally, see /var/log/apt/* and /var/log/aptitude* |
| 12:34.11 | ntz | SynrG: sorry for asking, we have debian only on 1/10 servers (or fewer), is there a way after update to check what processes are using files that were replaced (again like yum ps, or zypper ps, or such like) |
| 12:35.08 | SynrG | normally the user does not need to know, as packages that need to restart either will a) automatically restart or b) advise that a restart was not done and recommend you do one soon. |
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| 12:35.30 | SynrG | so such a tool would solve a problem debian doesn't have |
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| 12:35.39 | ntz | what ? |
| 12:36.17 | ntz | if I update say apache2 pkg and apache is running at that moment, you want to say, that service apache2 gets restarted in the update process ? |
| 12:36.30 | ntz | s/in/within/ |
| 12:36.32 | SynrG | my answer had an a) and b) part. |
| 12:36.46 | SynrG | one or the other of those two occurs. |
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| 12:42.07 | Iridos | SynrG, too complex! |
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| 12:43.14 | elcheckito | i wanna make a script available to root on machineA. where should i save it to be compliant with Debian Policy, please? |
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| 12:43.20 | SynrG | Iridos: my next help will have just short words with one, what you say ... syll- |
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| 12:43.30 | Iridos | SynrG, right |
| 12:43.33 | Iridos | SynrG, remember it. |
| 12:43.39 | Iridos | ;) |
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| 12:46.16 | Iridos | 200 gazillion upgrades for wheezy |
| 12:46.24 | Iridos | seems like the release date is getting close :P |
| 12:46.47 | petn-randall | lopho_: Then you have no reason to believe your system is compromised. The error you showed me looks like a simple configuration problem. |
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| 12:46.59 | lopho_ | thanks! |
| 12:47.12 | lopho_ | can't wait to Jessie, I'm going to install Suricata2+snorby |
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| 12:48.37 | elcheckito | my temptation based on would be to put my script in /usr/sbin (ref: https://wiki.debian.org/FilesystemHierarchyStandard) but i am open to a better suggestion! :) |
| 12:48.57 | elcheckito | /opt/sbin seemed like the alternative. hmm.... |
| 12:49.24 | Lope2 | SynrG: so is my system totally bastardized now? |
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| 12:50.14 | Lope2 | after upgrading with: `apt-get -t wheezy-backports dist-upgrade |
| 12:50.30 | SynrG | Lope2: not totally. *if* you succeed, though, you have a less secure system than you did before. |
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| 12:50.54 | SynrG | Lope2: but you ought to be able to upgrade it fully to jessie when jessie releases. |
| 12:50.59 | Lope2 | SynrG: how would you define succeeding? |
| 12:51.04 | SynrG | no errors. |
| 12:51.11 | Lope2 | so jessie releases tomorrow? |
| 12:51.14 | SynrG | yes |
| 12:51.44 | SynrG | backports version#s are designed so that they upgrade cleanly to next release, from which the backports were made. |
| 12:51.51 | Lope2 | I didn't get any errors... but libvirtd --version still shows 0.9.12.3 |
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| 12:52.05 | SynrG | ,v libvirtd |
| 12:52.06 | judd | No package named 'libvirtd' was found in amd64. |
| 12:52.09 | SynrG | ? |
| 12:52.24 | Lope2 | while my old system (old lol) shows 1.2.9 |
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| 12:52.50 | Lope2 | which libvirtd: /usr/sbin/libvirtd |
| 12:52.59 | SynrG | ,v libvirt-daemon |
| 12:53.00 | judd | Package: libvirt-daemon on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 1.2.9-9~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.2.9-9; sid: 1.2.9-10; experimental: 1.2.14-2 |
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| 12:53.51 | SynrG | Lope2: what version of libvirt-daemon is installed? |
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| 12:55.59 | Lope2 | old system: libvirt-daemon 1.2.9-9~bpo70+1 |
| 12:56.24 | Lope2 | new: libvirt-bin 0.9.12.3-1+deb7u1 |
| 12:56.30 | Lope2 | oops |
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| 12:56.45 | Lope2 | oh, I don't have libvirt-daemon on the new one, in the process of removing old stuff |
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| 12:58.31 | Lope2 | I still can't install qemu from backports. Depends: qemu-system (>= 2.1+dfsg-9~bpo70+1) but it is not going to be installed |
| 12:59.44 | Lope2 | qemu-system-ppc : Depends: openbios-ppc (>= 1.1+svn1229) but 1.0+svn1060-1 is to be installed |
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| 13:01.18 | Lope2 | perhaps my sources.list is buggered? https://gist.github.com/lope/b436fbf45590583892cb |
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| 13:03.14 | Lope2 | this is weird. Just as a test. I commented out every single source besides wheezy backports. then I ran apt-get update |
| 13:03.33 | SynrG | that will never work. it's not a full dist |
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| 13:03.36 | Lope2 | then I ran `apt-get -t wheezy-backports install qemu` |
| 13:03.41 | Lope2 | and the same error occurred. |
| 13:03.57 | ntz | fast Q: (googled, but didn't find it) .. is there a way to tell to default debian less to show a status line (where is the line number and % where you're in docu) ?? |
| 13:03.58 | Lope2 | SynrG: my sources.list? is something missing? |
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| 13:04.06 | ntz | like in any other random distro |
| 13:04.13 | SynrG | commenting out everything but wheezy-backports will never work |
| 13:04.18 | SynrG | i didn't review your sources.list |
| 13:04.19 | Lope2 | SynrG: oh. |
| 13:04.32 | Lope2 | https://gist.github.com/lope/b436fbf45590583892cb |
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| 13:04.41 | SynrG | yes. i just saw |
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| 13:05.04 | SynrG | looks fine to me, so long as you don't need backports of contrib and non-free stuff ... |
| 13:05.10 | SynrG | do you? |
| 13:05.25 | Lope2 | I don't know. I just find it less frustrating to include everything. |
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| 13:05.45 | Lope2 | so when I want to install something I don't have to hassle about whether it's contrib or non-free |
| 13:06.08 | SynrG | you had best also include 'contrib non-free' on your backports line to make certain, then. |
| 13:06.14 | SynrG | if you don't care which it comes from |
| 13:06.16 | Lope2 | ah, good point. |
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| 13:06.51 | Lope2 | I also tried commenting out the openvz source now, just as a test, and left the above sources file intact. same error. will try your latest suggestion. |
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| 13:07.05 | anddam | I connected this desktop computer to wifi using the system tray icon in lxde (possibly gnome network manager) |
| 13:07.19 | SynrG | but ultimately, rather than randomly purging and reinstalling stuff, you should figure out which specific dep blocks your upgrade. |
| 13:07.35 | anddam | is that something that is tied to the X session? i.e. if I boot the system and I don't start a sessoin will the system not be connected in wlan? |
| 13:07.37 | SynrG | many people here can help with that. i can't. i have to work |
| 13:07.44 | SynrG | later |
| 13:07.48 | Lope2 | SynrG: yeah your last suggestion didn't work. |
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| 13:07.50 | anddam | (I'm copying files so I cannot reboot right now) |
| 13:07.50 | Lope2 | thanks for your help. |
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| 13:17.55 | colo-work | when changing our environment to jessie, we're considering implementing packet filtering policy via firewalld. does anyone of you use that program on Debian, and has experiences to share? |
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| 13:21.21 | dutchfish | colo-work, altho i ran some test with it inside jessie, you better as #firewalld on freenode, |
| 13:21.47 | lopho_ | I prefer to keep my systems as slim as possible , with plain iptables I have enough |
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| 13:22.14 | polyphagia | if i want to contribute a bug fix for a package in debian, i can use debian's source hosting? |
| 13:22.22 | dutchfish | colo-work, setting up a ipv4 and ipv6 basic firewall, worked out pretty well, i am no expert on this firewall |
| 13:22.31 | polyphagia | somebody else will merge it upstream? |
| 13:22.47 | colo-work | dutchfish, thanks, I'll drop by there |
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| 13:28.58 | hikenboot | hi can anyone tell me if in Jessie the proper way of setting up the target/initiator component of FCoE is done using lio-utils...if so anyone have a doc on this part? if no what should be used, and is there docs for that? There appears no man page for lio-utils |
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| 13:30.02 | Lope2 | how can I upgrade my debian 7 to debian 8? |
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| 13:32.45 | srg | Lope2: Change your sources.list to point to jessie, then apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 13:32.54 | Lope2 | thanks |
| 13:32.58 | srg | then be prepared to fix anything that broke (your servers and whatnot) |
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| 13:33.15 | Lope2 | is there any point in running apt-get upgrade if you're going to run apt-get dist-upgrade? |
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| 13:33.30 | Lope2 | I normally skip apt-get upgrade, and just do a dist-upgrade every time? |
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| 13:34.31 | srg | hm, i'm not sure. I always run both. |
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| 13:34.55 | Lope2 | (on linux mint there's often a dist-upgrade update) |
| 13:35.28 | Lope2 | on mint, I've noticed after running dist-upgrade, there's no need to upgrade. I think upgrade just excludes the updates that are considered distro updates. |
| 13:35.45 | NetBilly | Greetings great people of #debian. I have to play with KVM, but would like to use a live memory stick boot for it, then NFS mounts for the rest. Lenovo T420 laptop. The idea is not to disturb the OS, but run the full virtualizer. So the live OS need the libvirt module enabled on boot. Any suggestion on iso to use ? |
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| 13:36.38 | ntz | NetBilly: you do not need to use libvirt and moreover, advanced users/admins don't use it |
| 13:36.44 | Lope2 | so will jessie be considered stable tomorrow? |
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| 13:37.25 | NetBilly | ntz: Alternatives ? |
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| 13:37.32 | ntz | man kvm |
| 13:37.46 | ntz | easy as that http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/Main_Page |
| 13:37.51 | NetBilly | I don't have debian. My home lab runs FreeBSD |
| 13:37.52 | ntz | NetBilly: ^^ |
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| 13:38.15 | ntz | NetBilly: so you're in wrong channel then |
| 13:38.23 | plotto | hi everybody :-) i read that tomorrow debian jessie will become Stable.... did i misunderstood? |
| 13:38.49 | teraflop | NetBilly: http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/BSD |
| 13:39.02 | glcx | 25/04 official release of jessie |
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| 13:39.04 | NetBilly | teraflop: the package is marked 'broken' |
| 13:39.32 | NetBilly | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:39.44 | plotto | glcx, so tomorrow debian jessie will become stable |
| 13:39.51 | glcx | yup |
| 13:39.55 | teraflop | NetBilly: rofl |
| 13:40.12 | plotto | i need to download testing image... is better to wait until tomorrow glcx ? |
| 13:40.32 | NetBilly | I have ubuntu 14.04 on the laptop. which should work with the kvm package group it seems. Let me try that first. |
| 13:40.36 | glcx | hmm |
| 13:40.48 | plotto | i need a fresh and clean installation :-P |
| 13:40.58 | glcx | it say testing bug its pretty stable |
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| 13:41.17 | glcx | then i cant help you with this question since im not sure of the answer |
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| 13:42.00 | plotto | ok :-) got it :-) I need debian testing so i was wondering what image do i have to download |
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| 13:42.56 | plotto | any help? |
| 13:43.24 | glcx | but not bug |
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| 13:44.26 | petn-randall | plotto: install stable, then upgrade. That's the recommended procedure. |
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| 13:45.11 | plotto | petn-randall, i need a clean testing |
| 13:45.31 | petn-randall | plotto: How is that dirty? |
| 13:46.02 | petn-randall | !testing installer |
| 13:46.02 | dpkg | Repeat after me: the testing installer is for testing the <installer>, not for installing <testing>. To install testing, do a minimal installation using the <stable> installer and ask me about <stable->testing>. Installer bugs should be filed against the debian-installer pseudopackage. https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 13:46.47 | plotto | !stable->testin |
| 13:46.49 | plotto | !stable->testing |
| 13:47.23 | petn-randall | !tell plotto -about stable->testing |
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| 13:48.45 | jk_ | anyone knows how to create a wireless ap without hostapd? |
| 13:49.02 | plotto | petn-randall, if i change wheezy to jessie in sources.list, tomorrow i'll have another stable version? |
| 13:49.22 | ntz | holy sh* .. how do I do in this medieval tool of self-molestatory activities a `modprobe -l' ?? |
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| 13:50.05 | petn-randall | plotto: jessie will likely become stable tomorrow. So your system will stay "jessie", it will only be declared "stable" tomorrow. |
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| 13:57.58 | fn | postfix works now. |
| 13:58.00 | fn | thanks. |
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| 13:58.06 | fn | is there a useful web gui for it? |
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| 13:58.52 | ntz | fn: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=postfix+web+ui&t=opensuse |
| 13:58.54 | ntz | first hit |
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| 13:59.38 | Krakakanok | gitlab for example fn |
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| 14:00.24 | ntz | or simply: apt-get install postfixadmin |
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| 14:03.55 | Lope2 | awesome. upgraded to jessie. libvirt 1.2.9. mission accomplished! |
| 14:04.03 | Lope2 | SynrG: ^ |
| 14:04.30 | SynrG | Lope2: yay :) |
| 14:04.41 | SynrG | Lope2: might want to try again: |
| 14:04.43 | SynrG | !bpo list |
| 14:04.43 | dpkg | To list all packages you have installed from <debian backports>: «aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Debian Backports))' --disable-columns -F%p»; apt must know about the origin repository for this to work (i.e. you have a 'deb' line for it in sources.list and 'apt-get update' has been run). To list all backported packages available for your system: «aptitude search '?origin(Debian Backports)'». See also <which repo>. |
| 14:04.57 | SynrG | Lope2: theoretically there are now zero. |
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| 14:06.49 | anddam | in a shell script how should I check if a fs item is file or directory?= |
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| 14:07.48 | Burps | Hi : I'm trying to configure a network interface for Wake-on-lan : I read everywhere that modifying from "disable" to "magicpaket" (ethtool -s net0 wol g) is not permanent, and the only solution is to add a script at boot or device-startup : there is really no cleaner way ? |
| 14:07.53 | fraff | anddam: [[ -d $i ]] or [[ -f $i ]] |
| 14:07.59 | fraff | anddam: man test |
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| 14:09.08 | anddam | ah test, right |
| 14:09.10 | anddam | thanks |
| 14:09.30 | SynrG | Lope2: if-and-when you ever repeat the exercise, it is possible to chase down why a particular dependency won't install. might take some digging. might be solvable with some combination of 'apt-get -f install <packagename1> <packagename2> ...' or might lead to a dead-end where you can't do the upgrade due to some conflict with other packages you want to keep |
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| 14:11.38 | Lope2 | ok, thanks my friend. I did try some of those things. and also some debug stuff with apt. but it wasn't working out. luckily I had a simple solution available this time. |
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| 14:12.45 | SynrG | it would've been nice to know before resorting to draconian measures which deps actually blocked the upgrade. |
| 14:12.56 | SynrG | but that's water under the bridge now |
| 14:13.01 | SynrG | glad of the happy ending :) |
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| 14:13.40 | Lope2 | hehe, relatively happy. the new installer didn't like my grub installation, said it couldn't find it. I opted to not reinstall grub, and now it doesn't look like it booted lol |
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| 14:15.30 | hikenboot | the magnitude/size of the dependencies of targetcli is ridiculous, how in gods name is one supposed to make a mini distribution when one packages dependencies are nearly a gig! |
| 14:15.59 | Lope2 | so has grub changed significantly in jessie? |
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| 14:20.54 | chotaz`w | well hello there, how can I list all PPAs and repos on my raspberry pi running debian is there any cli app that helps manage ppas? |
| 14:21.16 | chotaz`w | huh, sorry for the poor punctuation |
| 14:22.19 | SynrG | ppa? debian? does not compute :( |
| 14:22.21 | cusco | hi folks |
| 14:22.22 | SynrG | debian has no ppas |
| 14:22.31 | SynrG | chotaz`w: running debian or raspbian? |
| 14:22.49 | chotaz`w | SynrG, raspbian* * |
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| 14:22.51 | cusco | friend is asking help with his web server, might been hacked.. in /tmp there is a udp.pl file, and it has no read permissions? |
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| 14:22.58 | cusco | it is owned by www-data |
| 14:23.10 | SynrG | chotaz`w: well: |
| 14:23.14 | SynrG | !raspbian |
| 14:23.14 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 14:23.14 | cusco | cat: udp.pl: Operation not permitted |
| 14:23.28 | cusco | how can I read the contents of this file? |
| 14:23.51 | sydney_untangle | cusco: /join #raspbian |
| 14:23.56 | sydney_untangle | Oops. |
| 14:24.13 | sydney_untangle | chotaz`w: /join #raspbian |
| 14:24.18 | sydney_untangle | There. |
| 14:24.22 | SynrG | cusco: as root you still can't read it? try lsattr and see if it has attributes set on it. |
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| 14:25.38 | cusco | SynrG: tried it, lsattr cant read attributes from file |
| 14:25.54 | SynrG | cusco: again, is this as root? |
| 14:25.56 | cusco | lsattr: Operation not permitted While reading flags on wtf.pl |
| 14:25.59 | cusco | yes as root |
| 14:26.04 | cusco | (moved it to wtf.pl) |
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| 14:26.48 | bezaban | is it a symlink? |
| 14:27.02 | bezaban | oh nvm. |
| 14:27.10 | bezaban | not permitted, not not supported |
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| 14:28.08 | SynrG | cusco: so the underlying filesystem is not ext2/3/4? |
| 14:28.20 | SynrG | that's what that says to me |
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| 14:28.44 | SynrG | hm. tmpfs? |
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| 14:29.39 | cusco | SynrG: its on /tmp |
| 14:29.42 | cusco | should be tmpfs |
| 14:29.56 | SynrG | right. so ls -l wtf.pl says what? |
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| 14:30.26 | Main_ | can anyone help me how to make a '$' in terminal? |
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| 14:30.42 | cusco | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1149 2015-04-09 19:34 wtf.pl (I alreadi chown it and chmoded it) |
| 14:30.50 | SynrG | Main_: echo '$' |
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| 14:30.55 | kalin00b | enclose it in quotes |
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| 14:31.10 | SynrG | single-quotes |
| 14:31.10 | Main_ | I am trying to chown something, but Alt Gr+4 dont work |
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| 14:31.15 | scoofy_ | Main_: echo \$ |
| 14:31.19 | SynrG | or that |
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| 14:31.50 | Main_ | it is not here, but in a VPS terminal |
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| 14:32.29 | SynrG | cusco: do you have a trusted copy of cat? |
| 14:32.47 | cusco | not really sure, but rkhunter didn't warn about cfat |
| 14:32.47 | cusco | cat |
| 14:32.56 | cusco | warned about ps and other tho |
| 14:33.12 | SynrG | do you have a trusted rkhunter? |
| 14:33.18 | cusco | not sure neither :/ |
| 14:33.28 | woshty | will setting python3.2 as default break stuff in wheezy? |
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| 14:33.44 | SynrG | at this point, proper forensics would need to be done with trusted tools. since /tmp is in tmpfs, the file will vanish if you reboot ... |
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| 14:34.05 | Main_ | SynrG: it is in a external VPS terminal, that I need to write $USER:$USER ...but I cant make that dolalr sign |
| 14:34.15 | scoofy_ | what could go wrong with 'cat wtf.pl' ? |
| 14:34.28 | teraflop | woshty: you mean symlink python3.2 to python? |
| 14:34.28 | SynrG | Main_: keyboard problems? |
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| 14:34.39 | cusco | scoofy_: cat: wtf.pl: Operation not permitted |
| 14:34.51 | Main_ | lol...maybe :) I am on norwegian layout, but I will try to change ;) |
| 14:34.54 | cusco | goes for less and more as well |
| 14:35.03 | scoofy_ | how's that possible? ls -l said it's readable |
| 14:35.10 | scoofy_ | at least you have read permission |
| 14:35.11 | cusco | beats me |
| 14:35.13 | Main_ | thank you :) |
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| 14:35.58 | cusco | can't copy it to anywhere else |
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| 14:36.57 | SynrG | cusco: if the shell you're in is compromised, it may be tightly locked down preventing you from doing any useful forensics ... |
| 14:37.16 | SynrG | cusco: and if you reboot, it might do its best to clean up after itself to avoid detection |
| 14:37.30 | SynrG | i don't know what to advise. i've not tried to do this sort of forensics before |
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| 14:37.59 | cusco | I'm not used to it neither, I'm not really worried as it is not my server, trying to help out a friend... but I'm curious of this udp.pl |
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| 14:38.21 | cusco | would there be a chattr attribute to set? |
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| 14:38.31 | SynrG | well, i think it's useless to try to analyze it from a compromised system that is apparently actively trying to thwart you from analyzing it |
| 14:38.39 | SynrG | tmpfs doesn't support chattr afaik |
| 14:38.49 | SynrG | it's strictly ext2/3/4 |
| 14:38.53 | cusco | right |
| 14:39.12 | cusco | well still grepping logs to see if I find where it came trough |
| 14:39.19 | Walex | SynrG: and other "major" filesystems that support extended attributes. |
| 14:39.19 | SynrG | good luck |
| 14:39.24 | cusco | owned by www-data, I'll start there |
| 14:39.28 | cusco | (was) |
| 14:39.30 | cusco | ok thanks |
| 14:39.30 | scoofy_ | cusco: assuming the logs are not compromised |
| 14:39.30 | SynrG | Walex: ok. didn't know that. but not tmpfs? |
| 14:39.41 | cusco | sure scoofy_ I'm aware |
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| 14:40.37 | teraflop | uhm people talks about udp.pl here http://mybookworld.wikidot.com/forum/t-728405/i-think-i-have-been-hacked |
| 14:40.42 | SynrG | cusco: doing a post-mortem here will be of limited value. reducating the server operator about proper system hygeine is probably the highest priority :) |
| 14:40.55 | SynrG | the rest is an interesting academic exercise |
| 14:41.03 | SynrG | reeducating* |
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| 14:41.24 | tremon | SynrG: tmpfs as well, since debian kernels have CONFIG_TMPFS_XATTR=y |
| 14:41.50 | SynrG | tremon: aha. but we haven't heard what vintage of system this server is |
| 14:42.02 | SynrG | (or if indeed it is even debian ... :p ) |
| 14:42.11 | tremon | that's true, but we're in #debian... ;) |
| 14:42.30 | Sublime_ | Hi i just installed the 'testing' libc6-dev package (v 2.19-18) to test something. My test didn't work, how can I go back to the stable libc6-dev ? |
| 14:42.55 | SynrG | tremon: which is an open invitation for anyone to ask any question about anything most days :p |
| 14:43.01 | tremon | Sublime_: the correct answer would be to restore a backup or snapshot from before your install |
| 14:43.11 | Sublime_ | derp, didn;t do that |
| 14:43.29 | Sublime_ | this is the version I had before (Debian EGLIBC 2.13-38+deb7u8) |
| 14:43.40 | tremon | ,v libc6 |
| 14:43.41 | judd | Package: libc6 on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.11.3-4; squeeze-security-lts: 2.11.3-4+deb6u5; wheezy: 2.13-38+deb7u6; wheezy-proposed-updates: 2.13-38+deb7u8; wheezy-security: 2.13-38+deb7u8; sid: 2.19-18; jessie: 2.19-18; experimental: 2.21-0experimental0 |
| 14:43.51 | SynrG | Sublime_: the other correct answer is: jessie releases tomorrow. why would you want to do anything other than upgrade to jessie now? :) |
| 14:44.05 | Sublime_ | :p impatience I guess |
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| 14:44.31 | SynrG | no, i mean, if you're impatient, install jessie now! ;) |
| 14:44.43 | SynrG | it's less boring than unscrewing a stable system you've mixed testing into |
| 14:44.45 | tremon | Sublime_: you can force a downgrade by issuing apt-get install libc6/wheezy, but be aware that you will need to downgrade all packages that were upgraded by your previous command (which may include libc6, libc-bin, libc6-dev and maybe others) |
| 14:45.01 | SynrG | it's going to be hell. don't bother |
| 14:45.15 | Sublime_ | fortunately I didn't upgrade all other packages yet |
| 14:45.32 | tremon | but upgrading the rest of your system as well is probably safer, in the same that that route is actually tested and supported :) |
| 14:45.39 | SynrG | well, if you can confirm an exhaustive list of packages you upgraded, yes you might successfully downgrade |
| 14:45.44 | SynrG | but: |
| 14:45.46 | SynrG | !downgrade |
| 14:45.47 | dpkg | Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 14:45.49 | tremon | *in the sense... |
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| 14:47.15 | tremon | Sublime_: fafaik, it is not possible to install a -dev package if the corresponding library package is not installed. So at the very least, libc6 itself is now also on the testing version |
| 14:47.36 | Sublime_ | https://bpaste.net/show/7626b8b1af45 here is my apt-get install log |
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| 14:49.31 | tremon | Sublime_: so to reverse that, you need to downgrade 12 packages, reinstall 3 and remove a few as well |
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| 14:50.06 | Sublime_ | tremon, that makes sense, so to downgrade I would do: apt-get install <packagename>/wheezy ? |
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| 14:51.16 | tremon | Sublime_: yes, but be explicit: you must mention every package that needs to be downgraded. So libc-bin/wheezy libc6/wheezy libgmp10/wheezy etc |
| 14:51.26 | tremon | did I mention to make a backup first yet? |
| 14:51.48 | sydney_untangle | Heh ;) |
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| 14:52.07 | Sublime_ | yah I think I might just stick with the 'testing' libc :p less headaches and everything still works so |
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| 14:52.18 | tremon | famous last words... |
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| 14:52.36 | sydney_untangle | Backups are a life saver. |
| 14:52.43 | sydney_untangle | For your computer. |
| 14:52.50 | glcx | no |
| 14:52.53 | glcx | for your data |
| 14:53.00 | tremon | for your weekend |
| 14:53.07 | glcx | :q |
| 14:53.24 | glcx | Backups are for nooooobs :o |
| 14:53.41 | glcx | running away |
| 14:53.41 | tremon | Sublime_: just be aware that you're running a completely untested configuration. Better make plans to upgrade to jessie soonish |
| 14:53.56 | sydney_untangle | For you data. Much better reference. |
| 14:54.06 | Sublime_ | debian is a rolling relase right?? I don't need to re-isntall for that ? |
| 14:54.12 | sydney_untangle | Sublime_: And it could break. |
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| 14:54.19 | SynrG | Sublime_: "sort of" |
| 14:54.20 | tremon | debian is not rolling, but upgrades are fully supported |
| 14:54.24 | SynrG | !rolling |
| 14:54.24 | dpkg | Testing is not a rolling release in the strict sense of the word. It is a test platform, currently codenamed <jessie>. It is part of the Debian development process and is gradually being built into the next <stable>. Please go to #debian-next on irc.debian.org for support. See <moving target>. |
| 14:54.25 | sydney_untangle | testing and unstable are rolling. |
| 14:54.34 | sydney_untangle | Heh. |
| 14:54.48 | Sublime_ | ahh |
| 14:54.59 | SynrG | arguably, "rolling release" is an oxymoron |
| 14:55.07 | sydney_untangle | otherwise it works in releases. |
| 14:55.10 | sydney_untangle | Sublime_: haha. |
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| 14:55.13 | sydney_untangle | Oops. |
| 14:55.16 | sydney_untangle | SynrG: ^ |
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| 14:55.33 | Sublime_ | so If I was on a regualr wheezy distro, how would I'upgrade' to jessie |
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| 14:55.43 | SynrG | dpkg: wheezy->jessie |
| 14:55.43 | dpkg | Remember that testing is a pre-release distribution without timely security support so be cautious; ask me about <jessie security>. (1) READ THE RELEASE NOTES: http://deb.li/ldcj (2) From /etc/apt/sources.list, remove stable-specific lines like wheezy-updates and backports, and change wheezy to jessie. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. 3rd party repos like <dmo> are known to cause problems with the upgrade. |
| 14:55.46 | Sublime_ | apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 14:56.40 | sydney_untangle | apt-get dist-upgrade alows apt to pull in extra packages if they are needed during the upgrade. |
| 14:56.43 | sydney_untangle | IIRC |
| 14:56.50 | sydney_untangle | notmal apt-get upgrade doesn't do that |
| 14:56.53 | sydney_untangle | normal* |
| 14:57.20 | sydney_untangle | I had nothing but problems when i upgraded dpkg. :P |
| 14:57.36 | sydney_untangle | Fresh install worked fine for me though. |
| 14:57.43 | sydney_untangle | And i did it back in december. |
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| 15:00.02 | abrotman | sydney_untangle: it will also remove as needed |
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| 15:00.58 | sydney_untangle | I thought so, But i didn't want to throw out information if it happened to not be true. |
| 15:01.11 | sydney_untangle | dpkg: apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 15:01.11 | dpkg | [apt-get dist-upgrade] used to upgrade the entire system to the release specified in the apt sources list, just remember to do apt-get update before you use dist-upgrade |
| 15:01.17 | abrotman | (the man page covers this, probably a better reference) |
| 15:01.27 | abrotman | and that factoid isn't right .. |
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| 15:03.52 | Sublime_ | this output scares me https://bpaste.net/ |
| 15:04.16 | SynrG | er? |
| 15:04.32 | SynrG | maybe someone forgot to Submit before cutting-and-pasting the URL? :) |
| 15:04.37 | sydney_untangle | Sublime_: who link please. ;) |
| 15:04.40 | sydney_untangle | Full* |
| 15:04.50 | Sublime_ | DERP https://bpaste.net/show/585999915023 |
| 15:04.52 | sydney_untangle | SynrG: It happens. :P |
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| 15:05.13 | sydney_untangle | OUCH. |
| 15:05.31 | sydney_untangle | Thats alot of programs. |
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| 15:05.54 | Sublime_ | yah well mostly libraries |
| 15:05.54 | SynrG | Sublime_: so, like i've been saying ... ;) |
| 15:06.13 | SynrG | want to consider plan b) now? |
| 15:06.43 | Sublime_ | re-installing to deb 8 tomorrow ?? |
| 15:07.05 | SynrG | no need to wait, actually, as it won't be substantially different from today |
| 15:07.13 | SynrG | i think you can't get any *worse* than the current state of your system |
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| 15:07.24 | Sublime_ | hahaha |
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| 15:07.36 | Sublime_ | Yah, I'll take some time during the week-end to do that |
| 15:07.41 | SynrG | do the upgrade. then tomorrow after the mirrors are updated, upgrade again to catch stragglers |
| 15:07.44 | Sublime_ | thanks for help all |
| 15:07.48 | SynrG | k. good luck |
| 15:08.08 | SynrG | careful with the current state of the system |
| 15:08.14 | SamuraiAlba | gets coffee |
| 15:08.17 | SynrG | would hate to find it's unbootable ... |
| 15:08.24 | SamuraiAlba | Debian, It's what is for breakfast |
| 15:08.27 | SynrG | (which is why i'd simply finish the upgrade if it were me) |
| 15:08.29 | Sublime_ | yah I won't shutdown until I have backups |
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| 15:08.51 | SynrG | Sublime_: hope you have a motherhuge UPS and/or aren't prone to long power failures in your region ... |
| 15:09.21 | Sublime_ | SynrG, how would I 'finish the upgrade' ?? apt-get update ;apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade shows no packages to upgrade . . |
| 15:09.37 | SynrG | 'apt-cache policy' please |
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| 15:10.18 | Sublime_ | SynrG, https://bpaste.net/show/84dccf438f86 |
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| 15:10.45 | SynrG | Sublime_: you have no jessie lines |
| 15:10.54 | SynrG | dpkg: wheezy->jessie |
| 15:10.55 | dpkg | Remember that testing is a pre-release distribution without timely security support so be cautious; ask me about <jessie security>. (1) READ THE RELEASE NOTES: http://deb.li/ldcj (2) From /etc/apt/sources.list, remove stable-specific lines like wheezy-updates and backports, and change wheezy to jessie. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. 3rd party repos like <dmo> are known to cause problems with the upgrade. |
| 15:11.19 | SynrG | Sublime_: also get rid of that docker line. that's for ubuntu |
| 15:11.23 | SynrG | Sublime_: and jessie has docker |
| 15:11.37 | Sublime_ | awesome, let me try that |
| 15:11.38 | SynrG | possibly also nodesource. i don't know what it hosts. |
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| 15:11.55 | SynrG | third-party sources certainly can cause upgrade issues |
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| 15:12.15 | SynrG | ,v nodejs |
| 15:12.16 | judd | Package: nodejs on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 0.10.29~dfsg-1~bpo70+1; sid: 0.10.29~dfsg-2; jessie: 0.10.29~dfsg-2 |
| 15:12.25 | SynrG | Sublime_: is it just for a newer node? |
| 15:12.36 | Sublime_ | so basiacly just change 'wheezy' to 'jesse' in apt.source right ? |
| 15:12.42 | SynrG | spelled correctly |
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| 15:12.56 | Sublime_ | right ! |
| 15:12.59 | SynrG | and eliminating everything that's not relevant (see above for brief list) |
| 15:13.04 | Sublime_ | yup |
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| 15:14.24 | SynrG | the worrying thing is "I won't shutdown until I have backups". well, a backup of a screwed up system is not much help. and you should backup before even starting with the upgrade ... |
| 15:14.57 | SynrG | fortunately upgrades hardly ever end in tears ;) |
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| 15:15.28 | Sublime_ | SynrG, does this look good https://bpaste.net/show/df7fc73ed1f5 |
| 15:16.31 | SynrG | the http.debian.net entry at the end is redundant with debian.bhs.mirrors.ovh.net at the beginning |
| 15:16.36 | TheCreeper | does debian jessie work well without systemd? |
| 15:16.46 | petn-randall | TheCreeper: yes |
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| 15:17.19 | SynrG | Sublime_: that is to say, if you wanted contrib and non-free, you should just edit lines 29 and 30 to add them |
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| 15:17.44 | SynrG | Sublime_: currently, lines 40 and 41 download the package lists for jessie main a *second* time |
| 15:17.52 | Sublime_ | ahhhh |
| 15:17.56 | SynrG | at the very least, it's a waste of time each time you apt-get update |
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| 15:18.23 | SynrG | and you should generally have a matched set of lines |
| 15:18.41 | SynrG | as archive mirrors have different schedules for upgrading and you don't want some lines out of sync |
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| 15:19.29 | Lope2 | ok I figured out how my system is laid out. md0 is /boot ext2. /dev/vg0/root is root. I've mounted and chrooted everything and now when I tried grub-install /dev/md0 it says grub install warning file system ext2 doesn't support embedding. warming embedding is not possible. grub can only be installed in this setup by using blocklists. however blocklists are UNRELIABLE and their use is discouraged. error will not proceed with blocklist |
| 15:19.29 | Lope2 | s. What's it going on about blocklists? |
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| 15:19.55 | Sublime_ | Yah so I guess this makes more sense now https://bpaste.net/show/9d38dcc5e07d |
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| 15:20.15 | Risk_LTU | Is anybody using Cinnamon as DM in Debian? I want to configure automatic logon when computer starts, but there is no option in Administration or Settings menu. |
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| 15:23.56 | petn-randall | Risk_LTU: That is something you have to configure on your login manager. |
| 15:23.57 | SynrG | Sublime_: looks good. you dropped contrib and non-free deliberately? |
| 15:24.49 | Sublime_ | SynrG, nope, it's only my noobness kicking in |
| 15:25.10 | SynrG | Sublime_: for each line that has only 'main' on it, change to 'main contrib non-free' |
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| 15:26.31 | Eduard_Munteanu | Any workaround for https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=769106 ? |
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| 15:27.35 | tremon | Lope2: the grub first-stage bootloader needs to be installed in raw (unformatted) disk space. It is designed to be installed on a disk with a partition table |
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| 15:28.07 | tremon | Lope2: if md0 is formatted as ext2, it does not have a partition table, nor is it likely the bios will be able to boot from it |
| 15:28.09 | Eduard_Munteanu | Seriously, this is a showstopper, why isn't this solved yet? |
| 15:28.39 | tremon | Eduard_Munteanu: did you notice the "moreinfo" tag? |
| 15:28.56 | tremon | (or the "done" state) |
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| 15:29.48 | Eduard_Munteanu | tremon, it's not done if you look at the 2015 reports, it's been reopened |
| 15:30.00 | Risk_LTU | petn-randall: Hmm, no luck... |
| 15:30.08 | Sublime_ | SynrG, let's hope this time all is good https://bpaste.net/show/784b47d00512 |
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| 15:30.41 | SynrG | Sublime_: yup. looks good |
| 15:30.55 | Sublime_ | SynrG, thanks for you precious help |
| 15:31.13 | SynrG | Sublime_: no problem. meanwhile, for your next experiments ... ;) |
| 15:31.20 | SynrG | Sublime_: consider using debootstrap for experiments. |
| 15:31.26 | Sublime_ | so now 'apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade' |
| 15:31.27 | petn-randall | Risk_LTU: Which login manager are you using? |
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| 15:31.31 | SynrG | safer than messing with your main system |
| 15:31.39 | petn-randall | Risk_LTU: That is nothing you can configure with the GUI. |
| 15:31.41 | tremon | Eduard_Munteanu: according to the last few comments, there is only an issue with debootstrap. If you get this with d-i or during a normal dist-upgrade, please add your information to the bug |
| 15:31.41 | Sublime_ | heh I'll keep a noite of that |
| 15:32.33 | SynrG | Sublime_: well, apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade ... refer back to that factoid (/msg dpkg wheezy->jessie if you've forgotten or it has scrolled out of view) |
| 15:32.57 | Risk_LTU | petn-randall: I have to google first what login manager I am using check command, because I am not familiar with that |
| 15:33.24 | Eduard_Munteanu | tremon, yes, it's only a debootstrap issue, although that makes things unusable for me. |
| 15:33.25 | petn-randall | Risk_LTU: dpkg -l '*dm' |
| 15:33.32 | petn-randall | Risk_LTU: It's probably gdm3 or lightdm |
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| 15:33.53 | Eduard_Munteanu | Unless people propose a less crappy way to install things fast, because d-i ain't one of them. |
| 15:34.06 | petn-randall | Risk_LTU: The login manager is the screen that greets you, where you can select a DE and log in. |
| 15:34.19 | scoofy_ | when plugging in an NTFS USB hard drive, I get this error: http://pastebin.ca/2980478 |
| 15:34.32 | DammitJim | what do you guys recommend for local backups for home use? |
| 15:34.38 | scoofy_ | when i try to mount it using Disk Utility, i get the same error. |
| 15:34.38 | DammitJim | a NAS of some sort? |
| 15:34.48 | scoofy_ | when I try to run the Disk Utility as root, i get segfault. |
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| 15:35.02 | Risk_LTU | petn-randall: Ok, I found in /etc/X11/ default-display-manager is written lightdm |
| 15:35.04 | scoofy_ | and idea? |
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| 15:35.44 | sydney_untangle | DammitJim: Thats what i use, but you could use a external HDD. |
| 15:35.48 | sydney_untangle | They are cheap. |
| 15:36.21 | petn-randall | Risk_LTU: Then edit /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf as root, and look for the lines autologin-user and autologin-user-timeout |
| 15:36.45 | petn-randall | DammitJim: I use an external HDD and rdiff-backup. |
| 15:36.48 | kalin00b | going to take 2nd part of my LPIC certification test wish me luck |
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| 15:38.28 | ctmjr | scoofy_: mount it as root |
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| 15:39.08 | Risk_LTU | petn-randall: lightdm.conf lines are all commented, but there is lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf with uncommented lines, I will check that. |
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| 15:40.05 | F1skr | I'm using checkinstall to make a deb, is there an easy way to update the values of conflicts, replaces etc. after the deb has been made? |
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| 15:41.31 | Risk_LTU | petn-randall: Ok, I understood that commented lines just show what can be configured, so I think I can handle this. Thank you a lot! |
| 15:41.39 | jelly | Eduard_Munteanu: does it happen with cdebootstrap as well? debootstrap's ordering and dep. resolving is somewhat rudimentary |
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| 15:42.12 | Eduard_Munteanu | jelly, I think cdebootstrap works, but I was trying to switch back to debootstrap. |
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| 15:42.42 | Eduard_Munteanu | jelly, mainly because cdebootstrap is hella slow in the second stage phase for some reason. |
| 15:42.43 | arielsanflo | hello |
| 15:42.51 | jelly | Eduard_Munteanu: you should probably be able to hardcode something in your debootstrap to work around it |
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| 15:44.12 | ctmjr | Risk_LTU: you need to edit /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf under [SeatDefaults] uncomment the autologin-user and the autologin user timeout and of course add user name |
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| 15:45.02 | jelly | Eduard_Munteanu: since d-i and cdebootstrap work, you might want to clone and reopen as a debootstrap bug |
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| 15:45.31 | Eduard_Munteanu | Oh, well. |
| 15:46.02 | Hanumaan | I have seen some strange users with ssh logged in and their shell place in /tmp how to make my server secure? If I close the server ssh login only to particular user will it be fine? what else I can do? |
| 15:46.27 | Krakakanok | change the port |
| 15:46.43 | Krakakanok | permit only a few users |
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| 15:46.52 | Krakakanok | pornknoking |
| 15:46.55 | Krakakanok | etc |
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| 15:48.15 | ctmjr | Hanumaan: your screwed if you have "strange" users logging into your server |
| 15:48.30 | arielsanflo | help error |
| 15:48.32 | arielsanflo | http://paste.debian.net/168678/ |
| 15:48.35 | arielsanflo | please |
| 15:48.45 | Lope2 | Basically my SW raid1 grub setup used to work with wheezy, and now it doesn't boot with Jessie. |
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| 15:49.14 | Lope2 | /dev/mapper/vg0-root: recovering journal. clean. blah files done. EXT4-fs dm-0 mounted filesystem with ordered data mode: opts: done. running /scripts/local-bottom...done. running scripts/init-bottom ... done. systemd[1]: dailed to mount tmpfs at /sys/fs/cgroup: no such file or directory. |
| 15:49.30 | DammitJim | you guys mean like a USB drive? |
| 15:49.37 | Hanumaan | ctmjr, so what should be done? there is no solution? Other than bringing down the server? |
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| 15:52.05 | jelly | /lastlog abll |
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| 15:56.29 | ChibaPet | I just noticed something very naughty. In a fresh Wheezy install, 'cryptsetup luksChangeKey' doesn't ask for confirmation of a new key - it takes it once, even from the keyboard, and sets it. |
| 15:56.48 | simonsickle | hello guys! Ive submitted an actual patch file to this bug and was wondering if this is the correct process or if one should do it differently https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=778975 |
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| 15:58.26 | ctmjr | Hanumaan: take it off line and and start looking at logs it is not the ones you know about logging in, it's the ones you don't see that you have to worry about |
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| 15:59.58 | Hanumaan | ctmjr, would just making ssh allowing only for one user will be useful? as I cannot take the server to offline.? |
| 16:00.25 | Hanumaan | ctmjr, important things are running |
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| 16:11.09 | dreamon | anybody know what fault it is MS-7525 mainboard beepcode beeps. 1beep (2sec), 1beep (5sec) -- in a loop .. what does it mean? |
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| 16:14.22 | DammitJim | what can I use to create an ISO from a CD? |
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| 16:15.12 | horsik | dreamon: it's in the manual |
| 16:15.14 | lopho_ | dd |
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| 16:15.48 | DammitJim | lopho_, does that take care of the cd being bootable? |
| 16:15.52 | DammitJim | or is that a separate piece? |
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| 16:16.20 | lopho_ | I'm not sure |
| 16:16.31 | lopho_ | you can try with virtualbox |
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| 16:22.41 | scoofy_ | ctmjr: the solution was: to comment out a line in fstab (that probably got there during installation). now ntfs hard drive is auto-mounted as non-root user. |
| 16:23.07 | scoofy_ | i learned that from a comment from debian bug #631504 |
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| 16:36.00 | `ryban | :) |
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| 16:37.15 | Mogget | 3xpl |
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| 16:39.12 | debugman | hi there |
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| 16:39.39 | debugman | i'm having a odd problem with Samba shares on my Debian boxes when accessed from Windows clients |
| 16:39.45 | krav | has anyone ever used apt-cacher cross distro? I'm trying to host a kali repo cache on a debian box. |
| 16:39.55 | debugman | I try connecting with the proper credentials, but the first connection is rejected |
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| 16:40.03 | debugman | the second attempt however is successfull |
| 16:40.16 | debugman | and I can connect with the shares from that client until the server is restarted |
| 16:40.44 | debugman | there seems to be nothing interesting on the samba logs |
| 16:40.52 | petn-randall | krav: should work out of the box. Did that with apt-cacher-ng and several Debian/Ubuntu repos. |
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| 16:41.04 | krav | petn-randall: ok. i have no real idea how apt-cacher works |
| 16:41.13 | krav | so it kinda weirds me out that i don't set repositories or anything for it. |
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| 16:42.58 | Risk_LTU | My graphics card is Intel HD 5500. Which driver or apt package I should use to get right driver? |
| 16:43.25 | petn-randall | Risk_LTU: It should work out of the box. |
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| 16:45.21 | Risk_LTU | petn-randall, My problem is Cinnamon, when I logon on startup it shows error message about software render mode. So hardware acceleration is not enabled or something that. |
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| 16:45.43 | petn-randall | Risk_LTU: The Linux kernel ships with *all* in-tree drivers, so does X11. You only have to install extra drivers if you want to use e.g. closed source driver for AMD/Nvidia GPUs. |
| 16:45.43 | Risk_LTU | petn-randall, so i thought it was driver problem |
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| 16:46.26 | petn-randall | Risk_LTU: Ah, you not running stable then? |
| 16:46.53 | Risk_LTU | petn-randall, stable debian? |
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| 16:47.52 | petn-randall | Risk_LTU: cinnamon is not in wheezy. |
| 16:47.58 | Risk_LTU | petn-randall, I am runnig jessie... |
| 16:48.03 | lindylex | I want to upgrade lenny to Unstable. Should I go in release order or right to Unstable? |
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| 16:48.27 | petn-randall | lindylex: You have to go in release order. Skipping releases is not supported. |
| 16:48.41 | petn-randall | lindylex: You might consider re-installing, unless you want to do it for fun and profit :) |
| 16:49.21 | lindylex | petn-randall: thanks, I just did so much work on this virtual machine that I was trying to avoid the work. |
| 16:50.08 | petn-randall | lindylex: Reading the release notes, making backups, upgrading, and fixing up config files on the way: and that for every release is probably more work than reinstalling. :) |
| 16:50.36 | lindylex | Thanks |
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| 16:51.53 | Scellow | Hey guys, how can i add drivers into the installer ? |
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| 16:55.16 | somiaj | Scellow: lets take a step back, what do you need drivers for? |
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| 16:55.33 | somiaj | Scellow: is it that you are just missing the firmware for your wireless card or something like that? |
| 16:56.18 | Zevv | Hi, what would be the appropriate way to get software packaged for debian, and what can I do and prepare to make this process as easy as possible for the people involved? |
| 16:56.21 | Hanumaan | I see this "tcp 0 0 167.230.45.45:17702 154.35.175.201:6667 CONNECTED 39496/httpd " when I type netstat -atunp ... how do I know because of which file/instruction it is getting connected? |
| 16:56.22 | Scellow | somiaj: yes, i'm missing firmware for my ethernet card, so it doesn't install the requiered files |
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| 16:56.56 | debugman | OK, I've raised the debug level of Samba to 5 |
| 16:56.56 | somiaj | !tell Scellow about firmware images |
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| 16:57.05 | somiaj | Scellow: there are unoffical installers with the non-free firmware |
| 16:57.14 | debugman | each of the failed attempts has a "Failed to finalize nt token" |
| 16:57.30 | debugman | dunno what it means |
| 16:57.44 | somiaj | Scellow: also the net install contains a full base system. You could complete the isntall without ehternet. Add the firmware after the install is done, then install the rest of your software if you don't want to download a new image |
| 16:57.51 | Risk_LTU | petn-randall, so, where should i look for cinnamon rendering in software mode? |
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| 16:58.03 | somiaj | Scellow: the installer also allows you to point to non-free firmware if you have it available during the install. I'm not to familar on this though. |
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| 16:58.42 | TheGrimFandango | hi |
| 16:58.55 | Scellow | somiaj:thanks! i'll try with the non-free release |
| 16:59.23 | TheGrimFandango | where can i copy a missing firmware file that the installer will detect it? |
| 16:59.24 | somiaj | Scellow: you mean image, but yea that is what most do. I was just giving you alternatives from downloading another image. |
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| 16:59.50 | somiaj | TheGrimFandango: read the install guide it says where to put it. |
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| 17:00.15 | somiaj | TheGrimFandango: I forget the details. I always complete the install, copy the firmware over ot /lib/firmware then install additional packages over dealing with firmware during the install. |
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| 17:00.59 | Scellow | somiaj: i'm a bit lost, but it's ok :p i reboot to try that image, see ya in few minutes |
| 17:01.03 | TheGrimFandango | its for the ethernet card. |
| 17:01.15 | TheGrimFandango | cant install without it |
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| 17:02.24 | somiaj | TheGrimFandango: yes you can, the netinstall has a minimial base system on it, and you can install that base system with no network connenction |
| 17:02.34 | somiaj | TheGrimFandango: (note if you are use pxe boot or netboot then this is not the case) |
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| 17:03.07 | somiaj | !tell TheGrimFandango about firmware images |
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| 17:03.16 | somiaj | TheGrimFandango: or you can use an unoffical firmware image and not worry about copying the firmwre over |
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| 17:09.55 | debugman | Hmmm, looks like I'm affected by this bug: https://bugzilla.samba.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10604 |
| 17:09.57 | debugman | stopping the winbind service actually let me in at the first attempt this time |
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| 17:24.17 | debugman | well, problem "solved", but... |
| 17:24.20 | debugman | 1) I'm not sure why it happens (the setup is a ordinary home group, no AD DC or anything like that) |
| 17:24.22 | debugman | and 2) do I really the winbind service to be always running? |
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| 17:27.27 | jelangkung | where can i get sid iso? i'm lost at debian.org. preferably torrent link. thanks. |
| 17:27.44 | greycat | There isn't a sid ISO. Sid is unstable, not a release. |
| 17:27.56 | greycat | It changes potentially by the minute. |
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| 17:28.12 | SynrG | !install release candidate |
| 17:28.13 | dpkg | So you want to test a Debian installer release candidate? 1. Get it: http://deb.li/Fqhg 2. Read the release notes: http://deb.li/3d6yl and errata: http://deb.li/uacx 3. Install it: http://deb.li/Wavn 4. Don't forget to file an installation report, even if the install was successful: http://deb.li/i4j4E Also ask me about <testing>, <install testing>. |
| 17:28.15 | SynrG | then upgrade |
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| 17:28.23 | SynrG | do you really need sid, though? |
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| 17:28.46 | jelangkung | SynrG: yeah please |
| 17:29.03 | SynrG | for what reason? |
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| 17:29.45 | jelangkung | experiment to see if i can survive systemd :) |
| 17:29.47 | Guest39169 | u have a huge numfer of running processes show in system manager.what could be wrong? |
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| 17:30.16 | NoImNotNineVolt | Guest39169: isn't that normal? |
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| 17:30.34 | NoImNotNineVolt | i have 334 running processes right now, and i'm not even doing anything at the moment. |
| 17:30.39 | Guest39169 | no |
| 17:30.53 | greycat | jelangkung: systemd is in jessie. You don't need sid to test this. |
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| 17:31.13 | NoImNotNineVolt | "huge number" is vague, and you haven't really describe anything "wrong" at the moment. |
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| 17:31.45 | NoImNotNineVolt | what's the output of `ps aux | wc -l` ? |
| 17:32.22 | jelangkung | greycat: thanks. just kidding. currently i'm running wheey and wanna install some new stuff but the deps are so very old |
| 17:32.35 | jelangkung | wheey = wheezy |
| 17:32.53 | SynrG | jelangkung: jessie is newer than wheezy. problem solved. |
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| 17:32.59 | Guest39169 | 1846 |
| 17:33.16 | NoImNotNineVolt | and you're not running anything big? |
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| 17:33.21 | greycat | jessie is still in the womb with bits of placenta all over it |
| 17:33.22 | SynrG | jelangkung: again, why do you think you need sid instead of jessie? |
| 17:33.36 | NoImNotNineVolt | a vanilla debian shouldn't be running 1846 processes at boot, i dont' think. |
| 17:34.15 | Guest39169 | in fact i run ktorrent |
| 17:34.22 | SynrG | greycat: poor analogy. jessie is in the nursery, and is thriving. just waiting for the big party coming home. :) |
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| 17:35.06 | jelangkung | SynrG: anything newer than wheezy should resolve deps for anki for instance? |
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| 17:35.12 | Guest39169 | i dunt that a shell script is causing this |
| 17:35.18 | Guest39169 | i doubt that a shell script is causing this |
| 17:35.42 | Guest39169 | one i added to cron |
| 17:35.45 | SynrG | jelangkung: you will know why you try, right? |
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| 17:36.13 | jelangkung | SynrG: yesh |
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| 17:36.20 | SynrG | ,v anki |
| 17:36.21 | judd | Package: anki on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.9.9.8.6-2.1; wheezy: 1.2.11-1; jessie: 2.0.31+dfsg-1; sid: 2.0.31+dfsg-1 |
| 17:36.42 | SynrG | jelangkung: a newer anki exists in jessie. will that work for you? |
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| 17:37.37 | ZenWalker | what is the name debian 9 ? |
| 17:37.38 | SynrG | jelangkung: we recommend you install jessie and see if it solves any issues you have. if you need specific things from sid, there are ways of getting them without breaking your fresh jessie install. |
| 17:37.46 | SynrG | ZenWalker: stretch |
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| 17:38.14 | jelangkung | SynrG: ok thanks |
| 17:38.38 | Guest39169 | NoImNotNineVolt: |
| 17:38.39 | Guest39169 | i doubt that a shell script is causing this, one i added to cron |
| 17:38.56 | ZenWalker | thanks |
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| 17:40.23 | jhutchins | Guest39169: How are you counting processes? |
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| 17:40.45 | jhutchins | Guest39169: It's very easy to figure out what each process is. |
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| 17:40.49 | greycat | poorly written shell scripts are a *primary* source of ungodly numbers of processes |
| 17:41.45 | scoofy_ | Guest39169: maybe check what those processes are |
| 17:41.50 | Guest39169 | jhutchins: most are named sh ,lifin,python |
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| 17:42.36 | Guest39169 | jhutchins: most are named sh ,login,python |
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| 17:43.32 | jhutchins | Guest39169: How are you looking at this? ps? |
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| 17:44.16 | scoofy_ | Guest39169: if you use htop and press F5 for tree view, you can see which processes started what |
| 17:44.39 | jhutchins | Guest39169: I woudl be a bit worried if you have a large number of login processes. |
| 17:44.53 | Guest39169 | all used in the script |
| 17:44.53 | jhutchins | Guest39169: You might want to physically disconnect the network while you clean this up. |
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| 17:45.14 | greycat | First he would have to figure out what (if anything) is actually wrong and needs cleaning. |
| 17:45.16 | jhutchins | Guest39169: So what's your actual question? |
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| 17:45.40 | greycat | Maybe he's running some gigantic python multi-threaded server thing. Who knows. |
| 17:45.52 | jhutchins | greycat: Probably a python torrent thing. |
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| 17:46.59 | Guest39169 | here it is, http://paste.debian.net/168702/ |
| 17:47.22 | greycat | observes no new comments on 782753 |
| 17:47.47 | greycat | Guest39169: ... that's not the output of ps aux as I was expecting :-/ |
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| 17:49.34 | scoofy_ | that pastebin looks like some web cracker script? |
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| 17:50.47 | greycat | I'm not sure what to think of it. My python fu is weak. But it's got a 10.0.0.2 URL, which is obviously on a LAN, not sending info to an outside entity.... |
| 17:51.52 | thm | will jessie run as guest on a virtuozzo system which has a 3.2.41-042stab094.8 kernel? |
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| 17:52.20 | abrotman | thm: this seems liek a "Try it and see" type of thing? |
| 17:52.49 | valdyn | thm: i think: install wheezy, upgrade to jessie, dont migrate to systemd |
| 17:53.01 | greycat | That only works if you're the guy who set up the virtuozzo host, not a customer with a VPS. |
| 17:53.39 | thm | valdyn: any reason systemd should not work? |
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| 17:58.31 | pi_ | Hi people. |
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| 17:59.25 | valdyn | thm: unrelated to virtuozzo systemd 215 just needs a minimum kernel version, which may be 2.6.39 or even higher, i dont know what it is for 215, its 3.7 for 217 |
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| 17:59.43 | pi_ | There is a way to increment exponentially the fail login attemp delay in the PAM module? |
| 17:59.54 | greycat | valdyn: I really hope all of that is documented somewhere, now or soon. |
| 18:00.13 | Guest39169 | greycat: sorry,here: https://dpaste.de/Wmjp |
| 18:00.18 | greycat | also has a VPS, currently on wheezy, and is definitely *not* jessie-ing it any time soon. |
| 18:00.20 | pi_ | I just want something like that: after the first attemp the delay is 2 sec, after the second attemp 4 sec, 8, 16 and so on |
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| 18:00.29 | valdyn | greycat: im only seeing it in the systemd release changelogs |
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| 18:01.00 | thm | valdyn: ok, and 215 is what is currently in jessie? |
| 18:01.06 | valdyn | thm: correct |
| 18:01.11 | greycat | Guest39169: what is this "deepblue" thing? |
| 18:01.22 | greycat | is that the python script you showed earlier? |
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| 18:01.49 | Guest39169 | no my username |
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| 18:02.08 | greycat | OK, then what is /home/deepblue/scripts/login ? |
| 18:02.12 | valdyn | problem is that many vps are hosted on platforms that are no longer supported |
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| 18:02.25 | valdyn | so they (have to) use ancient kernels |
| 18:02.31 | greycat | valdyn: my VPS: Linux remote 2.6.32-042stab090.5 #1 SMP Sat Jun 21 00:15:09 MSK 2014 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 18:03.00 | valdyn | greycat: exactly |
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| 18:03.45 | dgarstang | Oki dokie.. Need help with this error "slice-boot-scripts/debian/control at line 8: first block lacks a source field" when creating a custom package |
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| 18:03.51 | jhutchins | Guest39169: I'd say it's pretty obvious what's causing that. |
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| 18:04.19 | Guest39169 | greycat: it'sthe shell script |
| 18:04.27 | greycat | Well, stop running it. |
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| 18:05.15 | greycat | At a guess, it looks like it's being fired by cron every 5 minutes or so, and not dying off. |
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| 18:05.35 | valdyn | Guest39169: why are you running it? |
| 18:05.43 | greycat | or maybe every minute |
| 18:05.50 | Guest39169 | every 1 min rather |
| 18:05.58 | greycat | Well, stop running it. |
| 18:06.43 | Guest39169 | maybe if a slawer pace |
| 18:06.58 | valdyn | Guest39169: no, that script is broken |
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| 18:09.04 | Guest39169 | i got it from here, https://montaro23.wordpress.com/2011/11/11/mikrotik-auto-login-script/ |
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| 18:12.10 | devios | is there a way to download a package list without apt? i'd like to be able to download (to my computer instead of my iphone) a list of available apps from cydia (jailbroken iphone app) repositories. anyone have any suggestions for accomplishing this? |
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| 18:12.20 | greycat | "Unfortunately, I had to subscribe to some Internet provider and found that he uses Mikrotik Proxy." -- I don't know what that is. Is that a problem you are also dealing with? |
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| 18:13.08 | NoImNotNineVolt | "i doubt that a shell script is causing this, one i added to cron" |
| 18:13.09 | NoImNotNineVolt | ha |
| 18:13.09 | Guest39169 | greycat: yes,and i would say this scropt s great |
| 18:13.11 | nkuttler | devios: sure. the are in the pool dir of the mirrors |
| 18:13.21 | greycat | Guest39169: it's clearly not working correctly for you. |
| 18:13.37 | greycat | or, you're running it wrong |
| 18:13.45 | devios | nkuttler: not sure I follow |
| 18:13.56 | NoImNotNineVolt | the script is supposed to terminate. it doesn't. |
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| 18:14.33 | Guest39169 | maybe it's not suppised to run in cron |
| 18:14.37 | F1skr | can anyone point me to an example of how to apply a patch in a debian package in debian/rules ? |
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| 18:14.50 | NoImNotNineVolt | Guest39169: when you run it from the command line, does it terminate? |
| 18:15.07 | NoImNotNineVolt | `python /home/deepblue/scripts/mikrotik-autologin.py` |
| 18:15.08 | F1skr | I have found some referencing dpatch, but it looks like it is outdated.. |
| 18:15.15 | NoImNotNineVolt | does that terminate? |
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| 18:15.51 | NoImNotNineVolt | i'm relatively new to python myself, but it appears that you never close f. |
| 18:16.18 | NoImNotNineVolt | (most languages would do that for you, and i can't imagine python just hangs instead of terminating if there's still open filehandles, but still) |
| 18:16.53 | Guest39169 | yes,with output "file: "/tmp/login.html" truncated |
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| 18:16.54 | Guest39169 | seems to be already logged in" |
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| 18:17.24 | NoImNotNineVolt | indeed, it calls exit() right after printing that. |
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| 18:17.34 | F1skr | https://wiki.debian.org/HowToPackageForDebian is very sparse on information... |
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| 18:18.23 | NoImNotNineVolt | try adding f.close() before that call to exit() |
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| 18:18.35 | NoImNotNineVolt | and also at the end of main, another f.close() |
| 18:19.07 | NoImNotNineVolt | https://docs.python.org/2/tutorial/inputoutput.html#methods-of-file-objects |
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| 18:19.33 | Guest39169 | i tried writing a script rhat uses cUROL but couldn't fifure out what the gexMD5 function exactly do |
| 18:19.47 | NoImNotNineVolt | you may want to use "with open(output, 'w') as f:" instead, or something like that |
| 18:19.51 | NoImNotNineVolt | 'w' or 'r' as needed |
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| 18:20.27 | NoImNotNineVolt | md5 is a hashing algorithm. hexmd5 returns a hash as a hexadecimal string. |
| 18:21.06 | Guest39169 | NoImNotNineVolt: ok,this helps a lot.yjanx |
| 18:21.20 | Guest39169 | thanx* |
| 18:21.32 | NoImNotNineVolt | but this is weird. |
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| 18:21.39 | Guest39169 | what? |
| 18:21.46 | NoImNotNineVolt | if it terminates when you run it from the command line, it should terminate when cron runs it. |
| 18:22.09 | NoImNotNineVolt | can you post /home/deepblue/scripts/login also? |
| 18:22.19 | devios | nkuttler: http://apt.thebigboss.org/repofiles/cydia/pool/ ? |
| 18:22.21 | NoImNotNineVolt | presumably it does more than just run that python command. |
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| 18:22.51 | Guest39169 | maybe because i invike it from within another script? |
| 18:22.53 | NoImNotNineVolt | alternatively, try running `/bin/sh -c /home/deepblue/scripts/login` from the command line. |
| 18:22.59 | NoImNotNineVolt | and see if that terminates also. |
| 18:23.25 | NoImNotNineVolt | if that terminates, i really can't see why it would behave any differently when cron runs it. |
| 18:23.34 | greycat | Or try figuring out what the thing DOES, and then ask yourself why you're doing that every 60 seconds instead of, say, once at login. Or once at boot. |
| 18:24.03 | greycat | Or setting it up to relaunch itself whenever it dies. But still only once. |
| 18:24.11 | NoImNotNineVolt | greycat: based on the blog post that he linked to, i'd imagine it's a crappy irsp issue. |
| 18:24.19 | NoImNotNineVolt | s/irsp/isp/ |
| 18:24.33 | greycat | I didn't really understand the blog post at all. It said something about "single MAC", so why not just put all the devices behind a NAT? |
| 18:24.46 | NoImNotNineVolt | that would be the sane thing to do, indeed :P |
| 18:25.01 | NoImNotNineVolt | but presumably in addition to that, this sort of keep-alive workaround is required. |
| 18:25.05 | NoImNotNineVolt | shrugs |
| 18:25.20 | Guest39169 | NoImNotNineVolt: ok,here: /home/deepblue/scripts/mikrotik-autologin.py 120 120 |
| 18:25.29 | Guest39169 | that's it |
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| 18:28.12 | styks1987 | Does anyone have a simple way of sending any mail going out of a debian server to a single address? |
| 18:28.29 | styks1987 | I tried the postfix virtual_map but I cannot get it working |
| 18:28.42 | styks1987 | this is a local vagrant install of debian |
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| 18:29.31 | abrotman | did you ask #postfix, they might be able to help you |
| 18:29.57 | styks1987 | not yet, but it does not have to be postfix, it could be anything. |
| 18:30.20 | abrotman | well, right, but it would probably be better to ask them than us .. #postfix or #exim, etc |
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| 18:30.29 | Guest39169 | NoImNotNineVolt: and it does terminate the way you run it |
| 18:30.32 | styks1987 | ok thanks |
| 18:30.38 | NoImNotNineVolt | weird. |
| 18:31.02 | greycat | Is it really terminating, or is it launching "daemons" in the background and then "terminating"? |
| 18:31.19 | NoImNotNineVolt | well, the ghetto "solution" would be to add another slower cron job that prunes all these hung microtik-autologin.py processes... |
| 18:31.37 | NoImNotNineVolt | once an hour, killall microtik-autologin.py |
| 18:31.48 | greycat | pkill is preferred over killall |
| 18:31.50 | NoImNotNineVolt | but again, that's not a real solution. |
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| 18:33.59 | nkuttler | devios: more like http://debian.morphium.info/debian/pool/ |
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| 18:34.40 | nuno_nunes | Hello good night, I installed debian version 7.2 and is now available to 7.8 version and was wondering if there is a problem? |
| 18:34.48 | Guest39169 | greycat, NoImNotNineVolt: i'll replace it as soon as i get the shell script done,thanx a lot |
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| 18:35.01 | NoImNotNineVolt | glad we could help. |
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| 18:35.08 | devios | nkuttler: isn't there a Packages file somewhere that has a list of everything on the repo server? |
| 18:35.29 | greycat | nuno_nunes: upgrading would be wise. It's a bunch of security patches and other fixes. |
| 18:35.51 | nuno_nunes | is install updates? |
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| 18:36.10 | kalin00b | I got my Linux+ certification! |
| 18:37.10 | NoImNotNineVolt | i'm sorry to hear that. |
| 18:37.10 | nkuttler | devios: oh, that.. yeah, there should be one |
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| 18:38.31 | nkuttler | devios: something like /dists/<release>/<component>/<arch> |
| 18:39.43 | devios | nkuttler: can't find that packages/Packages file on http://apt.thebigboss.org/ |
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| 18:40.07 | devios | nkuttler: nor on http://repo.insanelyi.com/ |
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| 18:43.41 | nkuttler | devios: if those aren't debian ask whoever runs them for help? |
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| 18:48.09 | nuno_nunes | Give upgrade from version 7 to version 8 per year when it is released |
| 18:48.29 | devios | nkuttler: appreciate the help - found one of them: http://apt.thebigboss.org/repofiles/cydia/dists/stable/main/binary-iphoneos-arm/Packages.bz2 |
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| 18:49.04 | dgarstang | Trying to make a debian package. My debian/rules file is using override_dh_auto_install but my resulting package has no files. :( |
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| 18:49.56 | nuno_nunes | When you leave the version 8, the update to the previous version |
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| 18:50.31 | greycat | Version 8 (jessie) is supposed to release very soon (anticipated date is *tomorrow* but that could be held up by bugs). |
| 18:50.33 | Brigo | devios, you can find in debian package database with apt-file command |
| 18:51.05 | greycat | While you're waiting, you *should* update to 7.8 so you've got the latest fixes. That's a necessary step in the upgrade to 8 anyway, so you might as well. |
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| 18:51.21 | nuno_nunes | what greycat |
| 18:51.50 | somiaj | dgarstang: #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net might give better support for making packages. Could it be you are overriding all files from being installed (Thus an empty package)? |
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| 18:57.29 | Onyx47 | Hey all, a quick question, you probably get this one all the time, but Google is of no help: 32bit Wine, no sound, I have libasound2:i386 but no joy. wine64 works fine. Any common fixes? |
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| 19:06.15 | doomikus | congrats kalin00b |
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| 19:07.36 | alasdairc | hi I deleted /lib64 on a virtual machine due to a rotten backup script. lost shell access, and now unable to ssh in. Is it really just a symlink to /lib on an x86_64 wheezy install? |
| 19:09.05 | greycat | alasdairc: it's a directory that contains only one symlink |
| 19:09.19 | greycat | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Mar 9 09:47 /lib64 |
| 19:09.20 | greycat | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 32 Feb 22 06:41 /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 -> /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ld-2.13.so |
| 19:10.20 | alasdairc | greycat: amazing, thank so much |
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| 19:11.13 | doomikus | I always thought symlinks were amazing too |
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| 19:11.36 | alasdairc | I originally thought I;d hosed /bin but looking on ftp, they're all stil there! |
| 19:12.11 | doomikus | recovery through obscurity |
| 19:12.14 | doomikus | still feels good huh? |
| 19:12.26 | somiaj | alasdairc: no, I don't think /lib64 is a link anymore, it is the old standard and contains links to the linkers. My /lib64 as three links in it, the main one is ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 -> /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu-ld-2.19.so |
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| 19:12.43 | greycat | mine only had the one |
| 19:12.56 | somiaj | alasdairc: this is on jessie, it may be different on wheezy. I'm sure you could make it a full linnk to /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu, but it seems only the linker is there |
| 19:13.25 | somiaj | greycat: the other two point at the first one, ld-lsb-x86-64.so.{2,3} -> the first one, not sure what those are. |
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| 19:19.42 | alasdairc | great thanks everyone. going to bite the bullet and attempt the recovery |
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| 19:20.17 | alasdairc | or just leave it running, permanently trapped in 2015, and never try and ssh in again |
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| 19:29.08 | jerichowasahoax | What package does the cpupower program live in? "aptitude search cpupower" returns no results |
| 19:29.23 | somiaj | jerichowasahoax: you can try apt-file if that is the name of the binary |
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| 19:29.55 | jerichowasahoax | somiaj: and what package does THAT live in? |
| 19:30.43 | jerichowasahoax | somiaj: whoop, that one is in "apt-file", ignore me |
| 19:31.17 | jerichowasahoax | somiaj: does apt-file depend on the file already existing on the filesystem? |
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| 19:31.55 | jerichowasahoax | because i don't have the cpupower program installed, and that's why i'm asking for its package name |
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| 19:33.10 | valdyn | jerichowasahoax: theres no cpupower in debian |
| 19:33.41 | alasdairc | YASS!! it worked, just one symlink required. thanks greycat + somiaj |
| 19:33.48 | alasdairc | now to drink some wine and calm down |
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| 19:35.12 | jerichowasahoax | valdyn: then how do I get a list of available governors for my CPU? |
| 19:36.39 | jerichowasahoax | valdyn: https://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/CpuFrequencyScaling suggests /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors but that file does not exist |
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| 19:39.17 | valdyn | jerichowasahoax: "cat /proc/cpuinfo" |
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| 19:40.50 | jerichowasahoax | valdyn: the "power management" line? because that's blank |
| 19:40.56 | jerichowasahoax | valdyn: which is a bit of a problem. |
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| 19:41.02 | valdyn | jerichowasahoax: no, everything |
| 19:41.11 | jerichowasahoax | "everything" how? |
| 19:41.18 | valdyn | !paste |
| 19:41.18 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 19:41.27 | jerichowasahoax | valdyn: you should have said you wanted me to pastebin it :V |
| 19:41.52 | jalalsfs | What time of releasing Debian 8? |
| 19:42.25 | greycat | !wwjr |
| 19:42.26 | dpkg | Debian 8 "Jessie" will release on 2015-04-25; ask me about <wheezy->jessie>. There's plenty of bugs still to squash so ask me about <how-can-i-help>, <jessie freeze>, <jessie pool 1>. See https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2015/03/msg00016.html |
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| 19:42.48 | jerichowasahoax | valdyn: https://bpaste.net/show/b034d7d8972b |
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| 19:44.13 | valdyn | jerichowasahoax: that is old |
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| 19:44.31 | jerichowasahoax | valdyn: which is precisely why the fact that i have no governors is so confusing |
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| 19:44.53 | valdyn | jerichowasahoax: your cpu may not support cpu frequency scaling |
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| 19:45.19 | jerichowasahoax | valdyn: i highly doubt this, since it works in Windows |
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| 19:45.41 | jerichowasahoax | valdyn: however you cannot run Windows comfortably on this system, both for obvious CPU reasons and the fact that the drive is only about 10GB |
| 19:46.19 | valdyn | jerichowasahoax: try "modprobe acpi-cpufreq" and look at dmesg after that, and if the dmesg output is not satisfactory, try "modprobe p4-clockmod" |
| 19:47.04 | jerichowasahoax | valdyn: modprobe says "acpi_cpufreq" doesn't exist |
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| 19:47.22 | jerichowasahoax | specific error is "ERROR: could not insert 'acpi_cpufreq': No such device" |
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| 19:47.39 | valdyn | jerichowasahoax: that means no such device, not what you said |
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| 19:47.55 | jerichowasahoax | valdyn: So "doesn't exist" != "doesn't exist"? |
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| 19:48.04 | valdyn | jerichowasahoax: look at this: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-laptop-and-netbook-25/2-6-33-1-intel-celeron-m-cpufreq-issues-797041 |
| 19:48.27 | valdyn | jerichowasahoax: theres a difference between the module not existing that the device that module is driving not existing |
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| 19:49.19 | jerichowasahoax | valdyn: well it's not my fault modprobe's error is ambiguous |
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| 19:49.33 | jerichowasahoax | but my misinterpretation of the error is irrelevant |
| 19:49.34 | valdyn | jerichowasahoax: "no such device" is not ambigous |
| 19:49.38 | valdyn | jerichowasahoax: yes |
| 19:49.59 | valdyn | jerichowasahoax: im trying to find intels spec for that cpu, but its very old, so i may not find it |
| 19:50.22 | jerichowasahoax | valdyn: I'm having a hard time finding any helpful information in this thread beyond the fact that OP has the same problem |
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| 19:51.21 | Olof_szary | Hello, Does Debian LiveCD has clamav by default? If not, do you know any live cd that has it |
| 19:51.33 | valdyn | jerichowasahoax: someone sais that your cpu does not support fequency scaling |
| 19:51.52 | jerichowasahoax | valdyn: well someone is wrong, because Windows does it. however, Windows is not an option here |
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| 19:53.18 | valdyn | jerichowasahoax: have you tried p4_clockmod ? |
| 19:53.42 | jerichowasahoax | valdyn: if the kernel doesn't support it for my CPU then that's one thing, but it is definitely *not* a hardware problem |
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| 19:53.55 | jerichowasahoax | valdyn: "aptitude search p4_clockmod" returns no results |
| 19:54.05 | valdyn | jerichowasahoax: no, "modprobe p4-clockmod" |
| 19:54.43 | jerichowasahoax | valdyn: [748681.127779] p4-clockmod: P4/Xeon(TM) CPU On-Demand Clock Modulation available |
| 19:54.46 | jerichowasahoax | now what |
| 19:56.07 | valdyn | jerichowasahoax: i dont really know what you want |
| 19:56.27 | valdyn | jerichowasahoax: on demand frequency scalling does not seem possible with that cpu, according to intel |
| 19:56.37 | valdyn | jerichowasahoax: but maybe you can change the clock speed |
| 19:56.46 | jerichowasahoax | what commands |
| 19:57.06 | valdyn | jerichowasahoax: install cpufrequtils |
| 19:57.13 | jerichowasahoax | did that already |
| 19:57.15 | valdyn | jerichowasahoax: read its documentation |
| 19:57.26 | jerichowasahoax | No manual entry for cpufrequtils |
| 19:57.44 | valdyn | jerichowasahoax: thats the package name, not the name of any program |
| 19:58.01 | jerichowasahoax | I can't exactly RTFM if I don't know where the manual is |
| 19:58.10 | valdyn | jerichowasahoax: "dpkg -L cpufrequtils | grep bin" |
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| 19:58.42 | valdyn | jerichowasahoax: every package has at least some documentation also at /usr/share/doc/<packagename>/ |
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| 19:59.32 | valdyn | jerichowasahoax: what your cpu can do is some clock modulation, its not really useful |
| 19:59.48 | jerichowasahoax | it stops the CPU from heating up to six billion degrees at less than 5% usage |
| 19:59.49 | NoCode | Hi. What package would pip be installed in? |
| 19:59.52 | jerichowasahoax | i'd say that's incredibly useful |
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| 20:02.18 | nbt | NoCode: python-pip |
| 20:02.32 | NoCode | thanks |
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| 20:10.33 | Drzacek | hello |
| 20:10.44 | jhutchins | jerichowasahoax: apropos cpufreq |
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| 20:11.45 | Drzacek | what do I need to play mp3/sound on debian? |
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| 20:12.30 | greycat | an mp3 file, a sound card, speakers, a cable between 'em, and you need to unmute the master channel in alsamixer (and possibly raise its volume) |
| 20:12.31 | nullbyte_ | frozen again? |
| 20:12.36 | nullbyte_ | 8.0 ? |
| 20:12.39 | greycat | oh yeah, and software to decode the mp3 |
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| 20:13.17 | nullbyte_ | debian 8.0 is frozen again.. or no? |
| 20:13.18 | Drzacek | speakers/cable/soundcard/files - gottem |
| 20:13.25 | greycat | It has been frozen for some time now. |
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| 20:13.30 | nullbyte_ | only 1 day.. for release |
| 20:13.36 | jhutchins | nullbyte_: Due for relase tomorrow. |
| 20:13.45 | Drzacek | No master channel here |
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| 20:13.56 | nullbyte_ | jhutchins: yea |
| 20:14.07 | greycat | Really? You ran alsamixer, and the channel on the far left of the default screen doesn't say "Master"? |
| 20:14.23 | Drzacek | no gui neither, only bash |
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| 20:14.30 | greycat | alsamixer runs in a terminal |
| 20:14.34 | vlt | Drzacek: Try F6 to select your card. |
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| 20:16.22 | Drzacek | I am running debian without X, only console here. And minimal install so I guess no packages related to audio are installed |
| 20:16.40 | greycat | Install. Them. |
| 20:16.47 | greycat | ,v alsa-utils |
| 20:16.49 | judd | Package: alsa-utils on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.0.23-3; wheezy: 1.0.25-4; jessie: 1.0.28-1; sid: 1.0.28-1 |
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| 20:17.50 | Drzacek | okay, Alsa-utils + dependencies are installed |
| 20:19.57 | vlt | Drzacek: What software did you try to playback the file(s)? For single files mplayer or vlc work fine. For more complex playlists I run mocp. |
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| 20:23.07 | Drzacek | vlt: at the moment I was only trying speaker test |
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| 20:23.32 | vlt | Drzacek: Then use a pcm wav file and aplay. |
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| 20:24.46 | jhutchins | . |
| 20:25.25 | jhutchins | !alsa checklist |
| 20:25.25 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>. |
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| 20:26.27 | manous | hello how to resolve sound on my laptop debian http://paste.debian.net/168725/ |
| 20:30.36 | Drzacek | well, it says Playing, but there is no audio |
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| 20:45.34 | Bierbauch | Hi all together, I'm sorry if this is a question that may get asket everyday here but I couldn't find any information about it on the debian site https://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ which seems to be outdated a bit: what is the decision to let happen with Debian GNU/kFreeBSD because of systemd? |
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| 20:54.07 | manoranjith | #join physics |
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| 21:02.30 | manoranjith | when will the debian jessie stablise ? |
| 21:02.36 | greycat | !wwjr |
| 21:02.36 | dpkg | Debian 8 "Jessie" will release on 2015-04-25; ask me about <wheezy->jessie>. There's plenty of bugs still to squash so ask me about <how-can-i-help>, <jessie freeze>, <jessie pool 1>. See https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2015/03/msg00016.html |
| 21:03.14 | teraflop | "As of April 2015, popcon registered 96 (0.05%) kFreeBSD users" |
| 21:03.39 | manoranjith | <jessie freeze> |
| 21:04.10 | greycat | <x> means /msg dpkg x |
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| 21:04.43 | lopho_ | loves Jessie <3 |
| 21:05.19 | greycat | I'm reserving my opinion until I've had to work with it a while. |
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| 21:08.01 | niilos | Hi all |
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| 21:08.36 | niilos | I want to set up a python server ( a soft that will communicate and listen to a port) |
| 21:08.59 | greycat | #python may be a better place to ask that |
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| 21:09.03 | niilos | I want to know what I hate to do to integrate it correctly to my debian vps |
| 21:09.15 | niilos | I'ts not about python |
| 21:09.22 | greycat | apt-get install python |
| 21:09.23 | nullbyte_ | why debian have not been released at now? |
| 21:09.30 | niilos | just how to make any serv runnig |
| 21:09.34 | nullbyte_ | in Europe now date is 25 april |
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| 21:10.12 | niilos | I think I have to add my port to /etc/services and the soft in /etc/init.d |
| 21:10.26 | niilos | But is there anything else to do? |
| 21:10.31 | greycat | /etc/services is just a mapping from names to port numbers. If you specify the port number you don't need to touch that. |
| 21:11.00 | greycat | If your ACTUAL question is "how do I add a new service to sysvinit in wheezy" then ok yeah, it's #debian relevant now |
| 21:11.02 | niilos | What do you mean by specify? In the soft? |
| 21:11.15 | greycat | Do you open the port by number, or by name? |
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| 21:11.30 | niilos | number |
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| 21:11.38 | greycat | then you don't need to mess with /etc/services |
| 21:11.38 | niilos | with iptables |
| 21:11.44 | niilos | ok |
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| 21:12.19 | greycat | for the sysvinit step, you can start by reading /etc/init.d/README or see "man update-rc.d" |
| 21:13.30 | niilos | I'll do that |
| 21:13.34 | niilos | Thanks you :) |
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| 21:34.39 | mw44118 | I have two NICs on my server, and I am getting a "no route to host" error when I try to get to one of my boxes |
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| 21:36.06 | buu | Well thats specific |
| 21:36.25 | mw44118 | the box is in a subnet |
| 21:36.31 | mw44118 | not "on the internet" |
| 21:36.42 | jhutchins | mw44118: Either your connection is down, you don't have a route to the host, or the host is down. |
| 21:37.00 | mw44118 | jhutchins: thanks -- what does it mean "no route to host"? I think my box's routes are screwed up |
| 21:37.15 | mw44118 | if the remote box is down, would i get a "no route to host" error? |
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| 21:42.27 | jhutchins | Possibly. |
| 21:42.48 | jhutchins | Your box has to know what the next address it can reach on the way to the destination is. |
| 21:43.10 | mw44118 | jhutchins: thanks |
| 21:43.30 | mw44118 | jhutchins: there is literally a cable from my box to the other box |
| 21:43.34 | jhutchins | mw44118: http://www.techrepublic.com/article/understand-the-basics-of-linux-routing/ http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2012/04/route-examples/ |
| 21:43.43 | srg | is there a router/switch/hub in between mw44118 ? |
| 21:43.44 | NoImNotNineVolt | no |
| 21:43.47 | srg | or is it a crossover cable? |
| 21:43.56 | buu | mw44118: Then you need to tell the computer about the cable |
| 21:43.59 | mw44118 | srg: i am running a dhcp server |
| 21:44.07 | NoImNotNineVolt | what's your ip address and what's the other boxes ip address |
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| 21:44.13 | NoImNotNineVolt | and what's the subnet for each? |
| 21:44.19 | NoImNotNineVolt | and what's the output of `route`? |
| 21:44.20 | jhutchins | He said it was on a different subnet, but you guys go right ahead, I have to step away for a bit. |
| 21:44.28 | mw44118 | my IP address is 192.168.10.0, and the remote box is 192.168.10.151 |
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| 21:44.55 | NoImNotNineVolt | if it's a different subnet, then it won't work. |
| 21:44.59 | NoImNotNineVolt | that's how routing works. |
| 21:45.26 | mw44118 | https://gist.github.com/mw44118/fd0785fc567f14e5255a |
| 21:45.48 | mw44118 | that's my netstat -rn ouput |
| 21:47.48 | mw44118 | NoImNotNineVolt: I'd be real grateful if you glance at that gist and tell me if it looks obviously wrong |
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| 21:48.33 | NoImNotNineVolt | okay so... |
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| 21:49.08 | NoImNotNineVolt | you're .10.0, and the other box is .1.0? |
| 21:49.19 | NoImNotNineVolt | or what's going on here? :P |
| 21:49.20 | mw44118 | NoImNotNineVolt: the other box is 192.168.10.151 |
| 21:49.28 | NoImNotNineVolt | and you're .1.0? |
| 21:49.35 | mw44118 | NoImNotNineVolt: yes -- 192.168.1.0 |
| 21:49.55 | mw44118 | sorry, .10.0 |
| 21:50.01 | mw44118 | .10.0 is me (on eth0) |
| 21:50.10 | NoImNotNineVolt | eth0 or eth3? :P |
| 21:50.25 | mw44118 | eth3, sorry |
| 21:50.48 | mw44118 | i want eth3 to be 192.168.10.0, and i wlan0 should get its IP address from a dhcp server |
| 21:50.58 | mw44118 | wlan0 works fine. eth3 has the IP address I want |
| 21:50.59 | NoImNotNineVolt | that's the problem. |
| 21:51.04 | NoImNotNineVolt | wait, no, nevermind. |
| 21:51.14 | NoImNotNineVolt | sorry. thought you had both interfaces on the same subnet. i've had a bit of wine :P |
| 21:51.38 | NoImNotNineVolt | so it really looks like all traffic to 192.168.10.0/24 should go out eth3. |
| 21:51.39 | mw44118 | should i mess with the netmask setting? right now, is 255.255.255.0. Don't know what that means |
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| 21:51.50 | mw44118 | NoImNotNineVolt: yes! That sounds plausible. |
| 21:51.52 | NoImNotNineVolt | that means 192.168.10.* |
| 21:52.05 | NoImNotNineVolt | netmasks with only 255s and 0s are easy to read: |
| 21:52.07 | mw44118 | NoImNotNineVolt: with the star, i understand |
| 21:52.28 | NoImNotNineVolt | wildcard the ip address for any octets that have 0 in the netmask. |
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| 21:52.50 | NoImNotNineVolt | so ip address 192.168.10.0 with netmask 255.255.255.0 gives you network 192.168.10.* |
| 21:53.32 | scoofy_ | the 0s in the netmask give the ip addresses of the subnet. the 1s (255s) are fixed in the subnet |
| 21:53.40 | NoImNotNineVolt | (255 means "part of the network address" and 0 means "part of the host address", effectively. over-simplified, but accurate enough) |
| 21:53.42 | mw44118 | NoImNotNineVolt: so, does the config look correct? |
| 21:53.49 | scoofy_ | part of the subnet, more precisely |
| 21:54.04 | scoofy_ | that includes the host address |
| 21:54.18 | NoImNotNineVolt | the last line of the routing config looks correct. |
| 21:54.19 | TheCreeper | any reason why debian jessie is running rsyslog and systemd journald? |
| 21:54.30 | NoImNotNineVolt | all three look correct, i think. |
| 21:54.39 | mw44118 | NoImNotNineVolt: there is a chance that the problem is that the remote box (in a data center) is dead. |
| 21:54.48 | NoImNotNineVolt | the last lines says "anything going to 192.168.10.*, route that out eth3" |
| 21:55.04 | NoImNotNineVolt | the line before that says "Anything going to 192.168.1.*, route that out wlan0" |
| 21:55.07 | mw44118 | NoImNotNineVolt: that's what I thought it did, but I'm a rookie in this world |
| 21:55.26 | mw44118 | and the top line says "anything else goes out wlan0?" |
| 21:55.27 | NoImNotNineVolt | and the line before that says "route all other traffic via the gateway at 192.168.1.1 on wlan0" |
| 21:55.43 | mw44118 | hurray |
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| 21:55.44 | NoImNotNineVolt | so that does look correct to me. |
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| 21:55.53 | NoImNotNineVolt | now, how to troubleshoot? well... |
| 21:55.57 | NoImNotNineVolt | install wireshark. |
| 21:56.02 | NoImNotNineVolt | start a capture on eth3. |
| 21:56.11 | NoImNotNineVolt | ping 192.168.10.whatever |
| 21:56.24 | vook | Does anyone have experience getting ASP (mono) and PHP to independantly work simultaniously on the same nginx server. I've got it working on two different ports (http://pastebin.com/FL46Pb1y). Unfortunately this is for an Ookla speedtest server, I have to support both asp and php. |
| 21:56.24 | NoImNotNineVolt | you should see icmp ping packets showing up in the capture. |
| 21:56.29 | NoImNotNineVolt | on eth3. |
| 21:56.39 | NoImNotNineVolt | if you don't, then start a new capture on wlan0 instead. |
| 21:56.43 | NoImNotNineVolt | and try the ping again. |
| 21:56.48 | mw44118 | NoImNotNineVolt: I only got CLI. will check if wireshark works |
| 21:56.54 | NoImNotNineVolt | it won't. |
| 21:56.57 | NoImNotNineVolt | use tcpdump instead. |
| 21:57.00 | vook | NoImNotNineVolt: please don't use CR as punctuation |
| 21:57.31 | mw44118 | NoImNotNineVolt: ok will do. thanks so much for help! Go go free software! enjoy your vino |
| 21:57.33 | NoImNotNineVolt | vook: i've been using periods as punctuation and CR as a carriage return. |
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| 21:58.00 | NoImNotNineVolt | mw44118: `tcpdump -i eth3 icmp` and `tcpdump -i wlan0 icmp` |
| 21:58.04 | vook | NoImNotNineVolt: you don't need a CR between each thought - this is part of the channel guidelines |
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| 21:58.21 | NoImNotNineVolt | vook: my apologies. |
| 21:59.26 | l0p3n | Hi, #unhide sys finds a hidden process named syncinfo.procs. Should I be worried? |
| 21:59.48 | l0p3n | *sysinfo.procs |
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| 22:03.41 | tsu | j redhat |
| 22:04.03 | fiberterminal | what's the *preferred* way to put two ipv6 static IPs on eth0? |
| 22:04.21 | fiberterminal | I see some examples defining "iface eth0 inet6 static" twice |
| 22:04.36 | fiberterminal | other examples define "iface eth0 inet6 static" once, then use something like up ip -6 add |
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| 22:11.00 | raccoon_ | fiberterminal: personally i use the latter |
| 22:11.26 | fiberterminal | both seem to work fine |
| 22:11.28 | fiberterminal | :( |
| 22:11.49 | raccoon_ | since i have a "main" ipv6 address and then add multiple alternatives after that |
| 22:12.01 | fiberterminal | yeah, same config here |
| 22:12.02 | raccoon_ | by post-up hooks |
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| 22:12.55 | fiberterminal | the reason I'm even fucking with everything, is because nginx won't autostart at boot, due to inability to bind ipv6 address because its not yet available |
| 22:12.58 | Dagger | (no need for the -6 when adding a v6 address: if you give a v6 address to add, `ip` is smart enough to figure out by itself that you wanted to add a v6 address) |
| 22:13.03 | raccoon_ | i would like to argue that no sane network configuration assumes multiple ip addresses as the main one |
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| 22:13.17 | fiberterminal | mmm, very good point |
| 22:13.26 | raccoon_ | so the logic behind using one "main" stanza and adding alternatives would make more sense |
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| 22:14.04 | fiberterminal | my host recommends "up /sbin/ip -6 addr add dev eth0 ip_v6_here" |
| 22:14.10 | fiberterminal | but I've seen the syntax flipped around a bit |
| 22:14.13 | fiberterminal | also, ignore the -6 |
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| 22:15.19 | fiberterminal | ipv6.debian.org says "up ip -6 addr add 2001:db8:ff12::1/64 dev $IFACE" |
| 22:15.29 | raccoon_ | "up" and "post-up" seems to be equal according to interfaces(5) |
| 22:15.40 | raccoon_ | "Run command after bringing the interface up." |
| 22:16.19 | raccoon_ | $IFACE works fine |
| 22:16.34 | raccoon_ | and is safer for future changes to your interface numbering |
| 22:16.55 | fiberterminal | yeah, "ip -6 addr add <your prefix> dev eth0" seems cleaner |
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| 22:17.38 | Dagger | you need the /64, don't forget that. you don't need to specify the full path, it works without |
| 22:17.56 | Dagger | I think up and post-up might behave slightly differently if the command fails |
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| 22:18.31 | fiberterminal | I actually had left out the /64 in my convoluted "up /sbin/ip -6 addr add dev eth0 2001:19f0:4009:2001::1234" |
| 22:18.32 | raccoon_ | Dagger: if that's the case it should be mentioned in the man page |
| 22:19.01 | Dagger | (i.e. "up" is for the commands needed to bring the interface up, and "post-up" is for stuff that runs after it's up. if one of the "up" commands fails, the interface will fail to come up, but if one of the "post-up" commands fails... the interface is already up, so failure shouldn't prevent it from coming up) |
| 22:19.11 | Dagger | of course, whether it actually does that or not is another matter |
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| 22:19.42 | raccoon_ | fiberterminal: there's also the possibility to use the line "netmask 64" instead of adding /64 to each "ip addr" line |
| 22:19.57 | raccoon_ | sorry for making things more confusing :-P |
| 22:20.10 | fiberterminal | yep, my line right before adding the second address is "netmask 64" |
| 22:20.11 | fiberterminal | :) |
| 22:20.15 | Dagger | raccoon_: I don't think that'll work. the up/post-up lines won't inherit it |
| 22:20.24 | raccoon_ | Dagger: oh i think you're right |
| 22:20.43 | raccoon_ | the netmask prefix will only be applied to the "address" line |
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| 22:20.46 | raccoon_ | sorry for that |
| 22:21.01 | Dagger | in fact you can omit the "netmask" line altogether and just write the /64 straight in the "address" line |
| 22:21.07 | Dagger | but only in Debian $version |
| 22:21.18 | Dagger | where $version is either wheezy or jessie |
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| 22:21.26 | raccoon_ | oh, neat. |
| 22:21.57 | Dagger | (I think it's probably jessie) |
| 22:22.23 | fiberterminal | some quick tests... |
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| 22:23.43 | fiberterminal | ip addr add 2001:my_ip_here::128/64 dev eth0 works but not in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:23.49 | fiberterminal | manually though... |
| 22:24.23 | fiberterminal | WHOOPS forgot the up line |
| 22:24.25 | fiberterminal | silly me |
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| 22:25.11 | Dagger | that's possibly one reason to prefer "post-up" -- it doesn't look so similar to "ip" |
| 22:25.30 | fiberterminal | I had forgotten to put "up" at the beginning of the line |
| 22:25.41 | fiberterminal | so yeah, that would make sense |
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| 22:27.34 | fiberterminal | is there anything inherently wrong about not specifying the gateway? |
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| 22:29.22 | fiberterminal | right now I have 3 lines, "iface eth0 inet6 static" "address 2001:ip_here::64/64" "up ip addr add 2001:ip_here::128/64 dev eth0", it works and it looks clean |
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| 22:30.00 | Dagger | that's probably best if your provider is sending RAs, since you'll pick up the gateway from them |
| 22:30.31 | fiberterminal | yep, pretty certain that's the case |
| 22:30.40 | fiberterminal | how would I check manually for the hell of it? |
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| 22:33.04 | Dagger | well... if you have a gateway set and you haven't explicitly configured one, it must be coming from RAs |
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| 22:33.39 | Dagger | there's radvdump or rdisc6 if you want to check more carefully (or see exactly what's in the RAs) |
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| 22:35.38 | blackflow | Aren't RAs, like, super dangerous without ipsec? |
| 22:38.39 | Dagger | only about as dangerous as DHCP without IPSEC is in v4 |
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| 22:40.56 | fiberterminal | all is well |
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| 22:41.30 | fiberterminal | except, there's one last issue, nginx can't bind an ipv6 address during boot, so I have to start it manually once the system is already up |
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| 22:42.05 | fiberterminal | someone recommended "net.ipv6.conf.all.dad_transmits=0" but that doesn't resolve it |
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| 22:42.42 | \\Mr_C\\ | is debian still being released the 25? |
| 22:43.02 | \\Mr_C\\ | 8.0 |
| 22:43.16 | Dagger | my guess would be that it's starting too early... but nginx really ought to wait for networking to come up before trying to start |
| 22:43.55 | fiberterminal | I don't have this issue if I disable listening for ipv6 in nginx, it works great with ipv4 |
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| 22:45.28 | Dagger | what error does it give? |
| 22:45.59 | mtn | \\Mr_C\\: you will find out tomorrow ;) |
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| 22:46.35 | fiberterminal | "[emerg] 1899#0: bind() to ipv6_here failed (99: Cannot assign requested address) |
| 22:46.42 | fiberterminal | in nginx error log |
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| 22:46.53 | fiberterminal | but, once the system is live, I can "service nginx start" |
| 22:47.47 | Lope2 | I installed Debian 7 from a script that setup SW RAID1. it made a 500MB /dev/sda1 and /dev/sdb1 as /dev/md0 formatted as ext2, mounted as /boot. (instead of each /dev/sda1 and /dev/sdb1 being a separate file system with their own /boot (as I believe is the recommended method). Well now that I've upgraded to Debian 8, the grub can't boot off /dev/md0 |
| 22:47.47 | fiberterminal | I've got a single static ipv4 configured via dhcp, then two static ipv6 configured manually, as per above |
| 22:48.07 | Lope2 | I mounted everything then chrooted from a recovery disk, then I reinstalled grub to /dev/sda and /dev/sdb. When I ran mkinitramfs it said: warning: mdadm /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf defines no arrays. warning: depmod: /var/tmp/mkinitramfs_blah lib modules 2.6.32-openvz amd64/modules.builtin no such file or directory. |
| 22:48.17 | Lope2 | When trying to boot it said /dev/mapper/vg0-root: recovering journal. clean. blah files done. EXT4-fs dm-0 mounted filesystem with ordered data mode: opts: done. running /scripts/local-bottom...done. running scripts/init-bottom ... done. systemd[1]: failed to mount tmpfs at /sys/fs/cgroup: no such file or directory. |
| 22:48.35 | Krakakanok | anyone know when debian change the versions ? |
| 22:49.06 | Lope2 | Krakakanok: tomorrow some time probably. I changed early to solve an apt dependency problem |
| 22:49.40 | Krakakanok | you know the hour aprox ? |
| 22:50.05 | Lope2 | Krakakanok: who cares? do you have an exploit to unleash or something? |
| 22:50.40 | Krakakanok | yep |
| 22:50.43 | Krakakanok | nop xDDD |
| 22:50.48 | Krakakanok | i m going to travel tomorrow |
| 22:51.04 | Dagger | fiberterminal: Google lead me to http://serverfault.com/questions/421460 ... which suggests the dad_transmits that you already tried, but it has an alternate suggestion too |
| 22:51.09 | Krakakanok | i prefer update the system before |
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| 22:51.50 | Lope2 | Krakakanok: you'd be safer waiting a few days before you upgrade to Debian 8. Wait for the bugs to get discovered and fixed. |
| 22:51.52 | Dagger | fiberterminal: (I remember having this "address is still tentative" issue myself. I didn't end up with a good fix for it; I ended up writing a super-hacky script for it) |
| 22:52.13 | fiberterminal | Dagger: yes, I saw that post on serverfault |
| 22:52.21 | Krakakanok | Lope2 im in testing |
| 22:52.26 | Lope2 | can anyone hlp me with my raid problem ^ |
| 22:52.33 | Lope2 | Krakakanok: ok, you're fucked :p jk. |
| 22:52.41 | fiberterminal | in this instance, "net.ipv6.conf.eth0.dad_transmits=0" and "net.ipv6.conf.all.dad_transmits=0" make little difference, no? |
| 22:52.42 | Krakakanok | xD |
| 22:52.50 | blackflow | Lope2: what raid problem |
| 22:52.52 | fiberterminal | all interfaces vs eth0 I presume |
| 22:52.58 | Krakakanok | i dont work with raid |
| 22:53.19 | Lope2 | blackflow: I wrote 3 lines to describe it about 10 messages back in this channel? |
| 22:53.33 | Dagger | fiberterminal: heh. maybe. the all/default/<name> trees combine in confusing and inconsistent ways |
| 22:53.36 | blackflow | Lope2: oh yea I see, sry. |
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| 22:53.57 | fiberterminal | fuck |
| 22:53.58 | fiberterminal | lol |
| 22:54.20 | fiberterminal | I will test both very quickly |
| 22:54.30 | fiberterminal | (individually) |
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| 22:56.13 | fiberterminal | this VPS has SSD and reboots ultra fast |
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| 22:57.21 | Krakakanok | is the good thing of a ssd vps |
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| 22:57.37 | blackflow | Lope2: you got a bit more of it involved than just raid. But why are you creating the initramfs directly like that? Just grub-install and update-grub, then check the grub.cfg if it's pointing at proper devices |
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| 22:59.10 | fiberterminal | nope, neither line does shit to fix the issue |
| 22:59.22 | fiberterminal | "net.ipv6.conf.eth0.dad_transmits=0" nor "net.ipv6.conf.all.dad_transmits=0" |
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| 23:00.02 | fiberterminal | will try "post-up while ip -6 addr show tentative | grep . > /dev/null ; do sleep 1 ; done" |
| 23:00.23 | blackflow | fiberterminal: first time I read about that dad thing, but I've got nginx and working ipv6 on both wheezy and jessie with no problem. perhaps you've got some autoconfiguration going on there that's delaying things? |
| 23:01.13 | fiberterminal | blackflow, I'm on wheezy and I've got vhost_1 set to listen *only* on ipv6_1, and vhost_2 *only* on ipv6_2 |
| 23:01.28 | fiberterminal | so, "dedicated ipv6" per vhost, no sharing |
| 23:02.07 | blackflow | fiberterminal: I meant the ipv6 autoconfig. you did mention RA and lack of gateway in your static config |
| 23:02.32 | Dagger | blackflow: I think it's more likely the other way: nginx is starting too fast |
| 23:02.51 | fiberterminal | yeah, route advertisement specifies my gateway, I manually configure two static ips |
| 23:03.23 | fiberterminal | someone posted something similar with apache2 doing this nonsense on the ubuntu bug mailing list, then it was cross-posted on debian bug mailing list |
| 23:03.39 | Dagger | fiberterminal: I have to go now... my next step in debugging would probably be to add "(ifconfig; ip a; ip -6 r) >> /tmp/tmp" to the top of the nginx init script, to try and get an idea of what the network config looks like when it starts |
| 23:03.40 | blackflow | fiberterminal: I don't know when the stack considers itself configured and init goes forward with anything depending on net, but did you try setting the gateway manually? |
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| 23:03.55 | Dagger | fiberterminal: or perhaps just a blunt "sleep 10" :p |
| 23:04.17 | fiberterminal | Dagger: thank you for all your help!!!! |
| 23:05.16 | fiberterminal | blackflow: I'll do that right now |
| 23:05.59 | fiberterminal | I suppose I'll eventually end up just making both vhosts listen on all ipv6 addresses like I currently do with ipv4, as I've got a single ipv4 they share |
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| 23:06.18 | TheCreeper | Is jessie released yet? |
| 23:06.25 | fiberterminal | it's really annoying having to manually fire up nginx after server reboots |
| 23:06.35 | fiberterminal | it should "just work" |
| 23:07.05 | blackflow | fiberterminal: of course, nginx is the standard Wheezy package? more precisely, teh init script specifies the $network dependency? |
| 23:07.25 | fiberterminal | I'm actually using nginx 1.8.0 from the official nginx repo |
| 23:07.33 | fiberterminal | not the standard debian package |
| 23:07.44 | blackflow | fiberterminal: check the init script then, it needs Required-Start line with $network in it |
| 23:07.54 | fiberterminal | hmm good idea |
| 23:08.16 | blackflow | fiberterminal: https://dpaste.de/mcWF |
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| 23:08.31 | blackflow | that's standard wheezy nginx installed init on my servers |
| 23:09.06 | fiberterminal | hmmm... dirty hack worked, I added "post-up while ip -6 addr show tentative | grep . > /dev/null ; do sleep 1 ; done" after my interface |
| 23:09.15 | fiberterminal | as per "http://serverfault.com/questions/421460/nginx-failed-to-start-cannot-assign-requested-address" |
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| 23:09.44 | blackflow | fiberterminal: I'd really suggest you try the proper set up first, I've got several ipv6 addresses, with different vhosts on each and it all works just fine |
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| 23:10.09 | fiberterminal | yeah, checking init stuff first |
| 23:10.23 | fiberterminal | actually, out of curiosity, I'm gonna try defining a gateway manually first |
| 23:10.42 | blackflow | fiberterminal: but I'm willing to bet that the init script is missing network dependency :) |
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| 23:11.33 | fiberterminal | ...just checked my /etc/init.d/nginx |
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| 23:11.47 | fiberterminal | looks identical to yours |
| 23:12.11 | blackflow | huh... |
| 23:12.23 | pfred1 | ls: cannot access /etc/init.d/nginx: No such file or directory |
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| 23:17.01 | Posterdati | hi |
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| 23:17.15 | Posterdati | when the new stable release will come out? |
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| 23:18.21 | blackflow | sometime on the 25th I guess |
| 23:18.47 | fiberterminal | brb |
| 23:19.32 | Posterdati | just changed my sources.list to "stable" |
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| 23:20.59 | Brigo | Posterdati, you will need and apt-get dist-upgrade too and read the release notes. |
| 23:21.14 | Posterdati | yes I know |
| 23:21.59 | Posterdati | just light the fuse... |
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| 23:26.33 | Lope2 | blackflow: I do install grub, then run update-grub, then I run update-initramfs with the kernel I want etc. |
| 23:27.09 | blackflow | Lope2: so you have a custom kernel? |
| 23:27.49 | Lope2 | blackflow: openvz yes. |
| 23:28.00 | Lope2 | a standard, custom kernel. |
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| 23:28.22 | Lope2 | so is my hard drive configuration non-standard? |
| 23:28.42 | blackflow | Lope2: separate /boot on raid1 ext2? nope, that's okay |
| 23:29.22 | Lope2 | I thought maybe I should backup my md0 (/boot) and then somehow remove sda1 and sdb1 from the raid (get rid of md0). then format sda1 and sdb1 as separate file systems. then copy /boot back to each of those. |
| 23:29.27 | Lope2 | what do you think? |
| 23:29.40 | Lope2 | then keep md1 as my LVM with / etc |
| 23:30.10 | blackflow | Lope2: no need for that, sw raid-1 partitions are normally readable |
| 23:30.14 | Lope2 | I'll just repeat my config to be sure... |
| 23:30.31 | Lope2 | sda1 and sdb1 form md0, which is ext2, 500mb and it is /boot. |
| 23:30.33 | Lope2 | is that ok? |
| 23:30.46 | blackflow | yes |
| 23:32.39 | blackflow | Lope2: are sd[ab]1 marked bootable? |
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| 23:33.06 | Lope2 | well, I can't access sda1 or sdb1, because they form md0. |
| 23:33.19 | Lope2 | if I try access them the kernel tells me they're busy. |
| 23:33.29 | blackflow | Lope2: access them how? Just check with parted or fdisk |
| 23:33.35 | blackflow | they need the boot flag enbled |
| 23:33.42 | Lope2 | IIRC i couldn't access them. |
| 23:33.51 | Lope2 | but I can boot into recovery now quick and check. |
| 23:33.59 | blackflow | Lope2: uhm... is that an OpenVZ VPS? |
| 23:34.51 | blackflow | I don't know much about OpenVZ, but sd[ab]1 should be normally accessible regardless of them being part of md0, unless it's an openvz guest |
| 23:35.38 | Lope2 | its a dedicated server |
| 23:35.47 | Lope2 | bare metal |
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| 23:36.06 | Lope2 | when I boot up the recovery disk it's not a ovz kernel though. |
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| 23:37.41 | pfred1 | Lope2 bare metal rusts. You should paint it, or something. |
| 23:37.56 | blackflow | not if alloy. :) |
| 23:38.32 | pfred1 | blackflow even stain-less is not stain-proof |
| 23:38.51 | Sheraf | anyone got fglrx-legacy-driver to work on unstable? |
| 23:39.00 | pfred1 | Sheraf ha ha ha ha ha |
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| 23:39.21 | Sheraf | eh... |
| 23:39.22 | Lope2 | blackflow: okay, I was wrong. just booted the recovery. I can run fdisk /dev/sda. oh, it's not showing a star under Boot. |
| 23:39.42 | pfred1 | Sheraf I've heard the open source drivers are better |
| 23:39.51 | pfred1 | which really isn't saying very much I suppose |
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| 23:40.07 | Lope2 | lol, okay I marked sda1 as bootable. LOL that might help!!! |
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| 23:40.20 | Sheraf | pfred1 ha ha ha ha ha |
| 23:40.24 | pfred1 | Lope2 not for lInux it won't |
| 23:40.26 | Lope2 | sdb1 also wasn't marked as bootable. |
| 23:40.38 | pfred1 | linux totally ignores the bootable flag |
| 23:40.45 | Lope2 | oh, so linux doesn't care if it's marked bootable. so why did you mention it? |
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| 23:41.13 | Sheraf | grub? |
| 23:41.18 | cmhobbs | when my machine suspends and then comes back on, i get a blank screen but the machine appears to be responsive (i can ssh in and such). i'm running wheezy on an eeepc x101ch. anyone have thoughts as to where i should start looking to ferret out the issue? |
| 23:41.48 | pfred1 | cmhobbs I had that problem on Mint upgrading to Debian fixed it for me too |
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| 23:42.46 | pfred1 | cmhobbs does yours do it all of the time or only occasionally? |
| 23:43.05 | cmhobbs | all the time |
| 23:43.10 | pfred1 | oh different problem |
| 23:43.24 | pfred1 | on Mint it'd only do it about every 3 weeks or so |
| 23:43.31 | pfred1 | was still annoying |
| 23:44.05 | Lope2 | okay, what else can we consider? |
| 23:44.17 | Lope2 | my system doesn't wanna boot, any ideas? |
| 23:44.22 | blackflow | Lope2: I don't know if Linux cares or not, but bios does |
| 23:44.28 | Lope2 | it booted with debian 7, now not with debian 8 |
| 23:44.45 | pfred1 | cmhobbs have you looked at log files? |
| 23:44.52 | fiberterminal | ok, ipv6 vs nginx part 2 |
| 23:45.03 | Lope2 | okay I'll reboot for shits and giggles. |
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| 23:45.35 | pfred1 | cmhobbs looking at /var/log/Xorg.0.log or syslog may offer a clue as to what is going on |
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| 23:46.31 | Lope2 | wow, okay the system actually does boot, i was wrong. but it just crashes somewhere along the line. |
| 23:47.05 | pfred1 | Lope2 are you sure you have kernel support for your root filesystem? |
| 23:47.19 | pfred1 | if the kernel can't mount root your boot process is done then |
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| 23:48.00 | Lope2 | pfred1: the kernel could boot everything in debian 7. I just upgraded debian. the filesystems are the same, theorically |
| 23:48.14 | pfred1 | Lope2 sure but the kernel isn't |
| 23:48.31 | pfred1 | if the kernel can't mount your screwy root filesystem you're done |
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| 23:48.49 | pfred1 | it has to be able to do it during the boot process too |
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| 23:49.01 | Lope2 | booting actually gets quite far. it loads loads of SATA and USB devices |
| 23:49.12 | blackflow | Lope2: do you have "GRUB_RECORDFAIL_TIMEOUT=$GRUB_TIMEOUT" in /etc/default/grub? |
| 23:49.15 | pfred1 | yeah that's still not mounting the root filesystem |
| 23:49.16 | Lope2 | then it apparently mounts the root file system. then it has a problem mounting the temp filesystem |
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| 23:49.40 | Lope2 | it gets 3.2 seconds into the boot process (you know how it counts as it boots) |
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| 23:50.06 | Lope2 | 3.7 seconds actually. that's quite far, considering my laptop boots in 8 seconds. |
| 23:50.25 | pfred1 | yeah if i had to bet you're failing to mount / |
| 23:50.46 | cmhobbs | pfred1, thanks for the tip |
| 23:50.50 | pfred1 | your kernel is missing something you need for it to mount / during boot |
| 23:51.12 | pfred1 | your initrd |
| 23:51.24 | pfred1 | or something along those lines |
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| 23:51.47 | Lope2 | it says checking root filesystem ... fsck from util linux blah dev mapper vg0-root clean x/y files blocks etc. 3.2 ext4-fs dm-0 mounted filssytem with ordered data role opts done. begin running /scripts/local-bottom ... done |
| 23:51.56 | Lope2 | begin running /scripts/init-bottom ... dne |
| 23:52.15 | Brigo | Lope2, that is debian? |
| 23:52.16 | Lope2 | 3.7 systemd failed to mount tmpfs at /sys/fs/cgroup: no such file or directoru. |
| 23:52.21 | Brigo | where are those scripts? |
| 23:52.59 | Lope2 | Debian 7 with the openvz kernel installed, then upgraded a bunch of stuff with wheezy backports. then had dependency problems then upgraded to jessie. now it won't boot. |
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| 23:53.20 | pfred1 | yeah sounds like you made a mess of it |
| 23:53.26 | Brigo | Lope2, do not paste here or you will be banned by bots. You can paste in paste.debian.net (for example) |
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| 23:53.45 | Lope2 | Brigo: that's a great question. I wondered that myself. because it says running /scripts/local-premount ... done before it says checking root filesystem fsck etc. |
| 23:53.47 | pfred1 | Brigo one line isn't the end of the world tight ass |
| 23:53.48 | a5i | when doing a cronjob, does the specified file have to be a bash script ? |
| 23:53.57 | a5i | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:54.49 | Lope2 | Brigo: lol I haven't pasted a single thing. I'm typing this as I read it off a graphical RMM :) |
| 23:54.51 | a5i | crontab* |
| 23:54.51 | Brigo | pfred1, without my comment they would be 5 coments and Lope2 could be automatically banned. |
| 23:55.26 | pfred1 | Brigo the bot bans on 4 lines |
| 23:55.49 | pfred1 | well I don't evne know if it bans i think it just kicks the user |
| 23:55.51 | Lope2 | okay, nitpicking channel politics aside, any ideas? |
| 23:56.12 | Brigo | Lope2, we will needd a lot more information. |
| 23:56.32 | Lope2 | I've already uploaded a few GB to my server, I wouldn't like to re-upload it. |
| 23:56.55 | Brigo | the failed to mount cgroupts may be the kernel has not support for it. |
| 23:57.00 | a5i | anyone ? :( |
| 23:57.01 | blackflow | Lope2: Why openvz btw, you plan to do vps on that thing? |
| 23:57.04 | pfred1 | Lope2 the only time upgrades go well is if your system is working to begin with |
| 23:57.31 | Lope2 | i wonder if I can make a new LVM somewhere, move the data to it, then do a new debian 7 install into the vg0/root and then switch to jessie and upgrade again. (because maybe I broke my system with wheezy backports. |
| 23:57.34 | Brigo | a5i, the crontab file itself? |
| 23:57.54 | blackflow | Lope2: or the openvz kernel is not quite compatible with systemd |
| 23:57.56 | pfred1 | Lope2 it sure sounds like you broke your system somehow |
| 23:57.59 | Lope2 | I was having dependency issues I couldn't resolve. So I saw some crazy command on a forum and tried it. something like apt-get -t wheezy-backports dist-upgrade |
| 23:58.03 | a5i | Brigo, basically I want to execute a file like Ruby |
| 23:58.06 | Brigo | a5i, the command you pass in the line could be anythin executable. |
| 23:58.17 | Brigo | anything* |
| 23:58.19 | pfred1 | Lope2 yeah that sounds like a hail Mary to me |
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| 23:58.28 | a5i | lets say to execute my file it has to be "ruby file.rb" |
| 23:58.53 | a5i | would 0 22 * * 1-5 /scripts/file.rb work ? |
| 23:59.05 | Brigo | Lope2, next time ask first :) |
| 23:59.15 | Lope2 | That probably messed up my system to some extent? It finished without errors. Then I still couldnt resolve the apt dependency problems, so I upgraded to jessie. that also completed without errors, EXCEPT it said that it could not find grub and it should be reinstalled. I thought "you're crazy, grub is there, it boots fine.." well it didnt boot. needless to say. |
| 23:59.35 | Brigo | a5i, if file /scripts/file.rb is executable and think so. |
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| 23:59.45 | pfred1 | Lope2 I keep my data on seperate partitions from the OS for such occasions |
| 23:59.48 | Lope2 | Brigo: I asked a lot. but only SynrG was around to help, then he had to leave, nothing was working so I just went a bit wild. I was ready to reinstall anyway. |
