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| 00:00.25 | pfred1 | Lope2 yeah I'm not saying it can't be fixed but I will say it likely isn't worth the effort it'd take to fix |
| 00:00.34 | Lope2 | okay, I'm just gonna reinstall. |
| 00:00.41 | Lope2 | yeah it will prob be quicker I think. |
| 00:00.41 | pfred1 | you're probably best off |
| 00:00.45 | blackflow | Lope2: here's a thought. boot to rescue mode, mount properly, delete everything except your DATA files and debootstrap :) |
| 00:00.57 | Brigo | Lope2, backports does not break systems. That is the why of its existence. |
| 00:01.00 | Lope2 | just a clean debian 7 install, then a clean upgrade to debian 8. then I'll try switch to the openvz kernel. |
| 00:01.03 | Lope2 | one thing at a time. |
| 00:01.04 | pfred1 | blackflow not a bad way to go |
| 00:01.18 | blackflow | pfred1: been there done that :) |
| 00:01.23 | pfred1 | you na just install 8 |
| 00:01.25 | Brigo | Lope2, i thin you better install jessie. |
| 00:01.32 | Brigo | why install wheezy and upgrade? |
| 00:01.36 | Lope2 | blackflow: what does debootstrap mean? |
| 00:01.40 | pfred1 | skip the upgrade and go direct |
| 00:01.54 | blackflow | Lope2: google for it. :) |
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| 00:02.13 | Lope2 | Brigo: using backports normally does not break systems. But as I said. I ran the command apt-get -t wheezy-backports dist-upgrade. |
| 00:02.30 | pfred1 | backports can lead to some dependency issues |
| 00:02.49 | Lope2 | brigo, that pretty much downloaded everything that I have from backports. it didn't give errors, so I can't see how it would be the end of the world. |
| 00:02.54 | Lope2 | it even rebooted after that. |
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| 00:03.08 | blackflow | the only problem I had with debootstrapping jessie from wheezy is that grub would not work with mdadm |
| 00:03.42 | a5i | Brigo you can run compiled programs too right? |
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| 00:04.01 | Brigo | a5i, anything executeble |
| 00:04.20 | Lope2 | it's only when i upgaded to debian 8 after that. It said it had a new /etc/default/grub file and asked if I wanted it. I said no I want to keep my old /etc/default/grub file. Then after that it said it couldn't find my grub installation etc and I ignored that too. then it could not boot. |
| 00:04.32 | Brigo | a5i, look at /etc/cron.d it is full of examples. |
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| 00:05.10 | Brigo | Lope2, you can try dpkg-reconfigure grub |
| 00:05.22 | Brigo | or grub-pc not sure the name of the package. |
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| 00:05.44 | Lope2 | Brigo: than accept the /etc/default/grub file? |
| 00:05.51 | blackflow | his grub is fine, the kernel loads up but fails to mount / |
| 00:05.52 | Lope2 | do you think it could be as simple as that? |
| 00:06.24 | Brigo | blackflow, you are right. |
| 00:06.33 | Lope2 | it does seem like they've significantly changed grub. it told me simply naming my kernel is not enough (as the default) it wants me to say "advanced options blah blah/my kernel" |
| 00:06.38 | Brigo | Lope2, you can check the diferences. |
| 00:06.59 | Lope2 | blackflow: maybe my grub is not 100% fine. |
| 00:07.09 | Lope2 | because pretty much as soon as root mounts, the system dies. |
| 00:07.42 | Lope2 | doesn't grub specify where filesystems are etc? |
| 00:08.03 | Lope2 | it dies saying it can't mount tmpfs... although, that's specified in root. specifically in /etc/fstab? |
| 00:08.30 | Brigo | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:08.37 | blackflow | Lope2: grub only has to locate the kernel and execute it, that's it. the kernel the mounts the given root partition and initrd |
| 00:08.48 | blackflow | *then mounts |
| 00:09.04 | Brigo | Lope2, that tmpfs is cgroups support. It is mandatory for systemd |
| 00:09.14 | Brigo | that would be a why your system dies. |
| 00:09.37 | pfred1 | Systemd strikes yet again! |
| 00:09.45 | blackflow | well, I did suggest the openvz kernel might not be compatible to systemd |
| 00:09.47 | Brigo | Lope2, did your kernel support cgroups? |
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| 00:10.06 | Lope2 | oh, maybe my /etc/fstab file is defective. I'm looking at the tmp entry. |
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| 00:10.32 | dimitry7 | Hello Guys |
| 00:10.38 | dimitry7 | I am getting this: TLS Error: TLS handshake failed ... and this ... read UDPv4 [ECONNREFUSED]: Connection refused (code=111) ... |
| 00:10.43 | dimitry7 | but just when I work with UDP, if I change to TCP it works :S |
| 00:10.43 | Lope2 | /dev/vg0/tmp /tmp reiserfs defaults 0 0 |
| 00:10.54 | dimitry7 | my firewall is set to UDP on the OpenVPN port. |
| 00:10.55 | Brigo | Lope2, i don't think so, i think you will cannot find it in your fstab. |
| 00:13.03 | Lope2 | okay, my /tmp looks fine actually. I double checked the stuff in fdisk -l lvdisplay and blkid. |
| 00:13.18 | blackflow | Lope2: tmp != tmpfs |
| 00:13.42 | Lope2 | yeah, good point :p |
| 00:13.44 | Brigo | Lope2, the keyword of the error message is cgroup. |
| 00:13.47 | Lope2 | tmpfs is ramdisk. |
| 00:14.19 | Lope2 | I like this debootstrap idea. Instead of installing my hosting provider's dodgy debian. |
| 00:14.26 | Brigo | mounting that the system will get access to the kernel cgroup susystem. |
| 00:14.48 | Brigo | Lope2, did you install other kernel, a debian one? |
| 00:14.49 | blackflow | Lope2: grep "CONFIG_CGROUPS" /boot/config-3.16<tab> |
| 00:15.19 | Brigo | blackflow, he compile his own kernel. |
| 00:15.25 | blackflow | or, eh... if you're using another kernel, whatever the config file for it is |
| 00:15.28 | blackflow | yeah yeah. |
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| 00:16.46 | Lope2 | I don't understand this: https://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap |
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| 00:17.41 | Brigo | i think it is quite selfexplanatory: debootstrap wheezy ./wheezy-chroot http://http.debian.net/debian/ |
| 00:17.43 | Lope2 | what's the simplest way to do a new install to /mnt/root (from the recovery disk environment) |
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| 00:18.16 | Brigo | wheezy = version, ./wheezy-chroot, where, http://http.debian.net/debian/ from where to download package |
| 00:18.17 | Lope2 | is debootstrap a builtin command or a program? |
| 00:18.29 | Brigo | a program, you will need to install it first. |
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| 00:18.47 | Brigo | Lope2, what about my question about the kernel? |
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| 00:19.32 | Lope2 | so would I need to download the C version of dbootstrap, since I probably can't install packages in the recovery environment. |
| 00:20.18 | Brigo | Lope2, do you have a rescue disk? |
| 00:20.21 | Lope2 | oh, the rescue thing is actually debian 6. |
| 00:20.28 | Lope2 | yes, I'm in the rescue env now. |
| 00:20.49 | blackflow | Lope2: 6 ? |
| 00:21.01 | Lope2 | oh, there is debootsrap in apt-cache search. should I install it? |
| 00:21.15 | Lope2 | will debootstrap on debian 6 work? |
| 00:21.18 | blackflow | I don't think you'll be able to debootstrap Jessie from 6 |
| 00:21.33 | Brigo | Lope2, dont know if dbootstrap from debian6 will do the work. |
| 00:21.41 | Lope2 | hehe, okay, so I need to download the C debootstrap file? or should I grab the debootstrap .deb file? |
| 00:21.42 | blackflow | I mean you can, but when you chroot to do grub, it'll fail because mdadm |
| 00:22.21 | Lope2 | blackflow: what are you implying about mdadm? |
| 00:22.31 | Lope2 | you're saying debian 6 can't handle raid? it seems to handle it ok? |
| 00:22.47 | blackflow | Lope2: I've had issues with Jessie's grub not liking an older mdadm |
| 00:22.54 | blackflow | there's even a bug report if I'm not mistaken |
| 00:23.16 | blackflow | grub-install segfaults if you have md devices present |
| 00:23.22 | Lope2 | blackflow: well maybe this is the entire problem. I ran an install script, that was running on debian 6, that created my software raid. |
| 00:23.37 | Lope2 | and installed debian 7 onto that. |
| 00:23.59 | Lope2 | then jessie is not compatible with the debian 6 raid format? |
| 00:24.09 | blackflow | it's not raid format but the binary |
| 00:24.19 | Lope2 | and my rescue disk is debian 6, so it's not like it can fix it to 8 standards. |
| 00:24.39 | Lope2 | blackflow: what binary? |
| 00:24.54 | Brigo | Lope2, get a jessie rescue disk, it is the new stable since today! :D |
| 00:25.09 | Lope2 | Brigo: I can't. my dedicated server is in the data center. |
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| 00:25.17 | blackflow | Lope2: you do know you can update the rescue disc? :) |
| 00:25.19 | Lope2 | their rescue disk is debian 6. |
| 00:25.29 | Lope2 | blackflow: youre a genius!!!! |
| 00:25.42 | Lope2 | what version should I update the rescue disk to? |
| 00:25.49 | blackflow | jessie :) |
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| 00:26.11 | blackflow | I don't know if you have to go through wheezy first, but eh... it might wanna reboot so that'll fail |
| 00:26.19 | blackflow | go for jessie, see what happens |
| 00:26.21 | Lope2 | / has 3.8gb available. should be enough? |
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| 00:26.33 | blackflow | I suppose so |
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| 00:26.44 | Lope2 | well, i don't think a reboot is strictly necessary |
| 00:26.54 | Lope2 | It's a 3.4.28 kernel. that's quite new. |
| 00:27.25 | Lope2 | (considering I usually run 2.6.32 openvz :) |
| 00:27.50 | Lope2 | okay, let's swing this biznatch. |
| 00:28.08 | Lope2 | I'm gonna quickly make a new lv for my data so I can delete root |
| 00:28.36 | lanodan | Is there a doc/manual somewhere for groups ? (like dialout - access to serial) |
| 00:29.00 | blackflow | Lope2: you don't have to nuke the lvs, just drop the system directories, eg. everything that's not /home/yourusers/... or /root or important /etc stuff you don't have copied. |
| 00:29.20 | blackflow | (and whatever else is non-system) |
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| 00:29.54 | Brigo | !desktop groups |
| 00:29.54 | dpkg | The standard groups in Debian that a desktop user would normally be in are: dialout (modem/serial usage), cdrom (CD/DVD), floppy, audio, video (video devices), plugdev (USB disks), netdev (network configuration through hal/networkmanager/wicd), powerdev (power scheme management). Ask me about <group> and <groups>. |
| 00:29.59 | Lope2 | oh, hang on a second... let's think through this plan. I can't backup my data that I've uploaded to the server... because you're saying the software raid data structures are no good? |
| 00:30.10 | Brigo | lanodan, somthing like that? (from dpkg bot) |
| 00:30.12 | Lope2 | Do I have to wipe out the hard drive data structures entirely? |
| 00:30.35 | Lope2 | It's not the end of the world if I have to reupload, it's only a few GB. will take me 12 hours lol. |
| 00:31.11 | lanodan | Brigo: yes but more detailled (every groups present by default on server install would be nice) |
| 00:31.18 | blackflow | Lope2: no no, I'm sure the raid partitions are okay, the problems I had were with jessie grub-install breaking when wheezy mdadm was in memory |
| 00:31.25 | Lope2 | blackflow: can you plz tell me exactly what Debian 6 created that debian 8 can't read? you're saying it's not the RAID structure. so what is it? |
| 00:31.32 | blackflow | active, running with md devices created and mounted |
| 00:31.45 | Lope2 | oh I see. |
| 00:32.19 | blackflow | Lope2: this issue I guess: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-grub/2013-07/msg00011.html |
| 00:32.23 | Lope2 | well, that potentially means that if I update my rescue disk to jessie, I can potentially install reinstall grub without reinstalling the whole system? |
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| 00:32.53 | Brigo | lanodan, ask the bot yourself with /msg dpkg group or /msg dpkg groups (the names betwen <> are keywords you can ask bot for) |
| 00:33.12 | blackflow | Lope2: well, I'm not sure about that, I think you need to set up grub from within the chroot |
| 00:33.24 | Lope2 | blackflow: I can do that, no problem? |
| 00:33.40 | blackflow | Lope2: once you debootstrap a clean new Jessie, I guess so yes |
| 00:34.08 | Lope2 | so if I update the rescue disk to jessie, is the dodgy stuff still going to be in memory? |
| 00:34.13 | Lope2 | can't i restart the services? |
| 00:34.29 | Brigo | Lope2, you can't because systemd is not running. |
| 00:34.29 | Lope2 | (without rebooting)? |
| 00:34.43 | Lope2 | fekking systemd. |
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| 00:35.34 | Lope2 | I don't see a way out of this problem right now. |
| 00:35.52 | blackflow | debootstrap wheezy and then when you reboot into it, just upgrade to jessie |
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| 00:36.01 | Lope2 | I mean I see a really simple one. I call my hosting company and demand they make a Jessie rescue disk available on their network boot thing. |
| 00:36.06 | blackflow | that's what I did two days ago when I couldn't debootsrap jessie from wheezy because mdadm |
| 00:36.23 | Lope2 | Should I just do that? |
| 00:36.44 | Lope2 | then I can just reinstall grub and I don't have to reinstall the whole OS? |
| 00:37.03 | blackflow | Lope2: sure, you install just the bare necessities to reboot into a fully working system (don't forget to install openssh-server), and then proceed with upgrades from there |
| 00:37.37 | Lope2 | blackflow: we're not on the same idea at the moment. |
| 00:37.39 | Lope2 | I |
| 00:37.43 | blackflow | if I were you, I'd reinstall plain Jessie, reboot into it and then proceed with the openvz kernel |
| 00:37.45 | lanodan | Brigo: Already done, not much info |
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| 00:38.07 | fiberterminal | the only working solution to my ipv6 nginx nightmare: add "post-up while ip -6 addr show tentative | grep . > /dev/null ; do sleep 1 ; done" to /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:38.08 | fiberterminal | :( |
| 00:38.18 | Lope2 | I'm saying I call the hosting company, demand that they make a Jessie rescue ISO available on their network boot. I boot into the Jessie rescue boot environment. Reinstall grub on my server, and I'm done? |
| 00:38.35 | blackflow | Lope2: good luck with the demand part :) |
| 00:38.47 | Lope2 | Because their rescue disk is freaking debian 6 for crying out loud? |
| 00:38.52 | Lope2 | what kind of a rescue is that? |
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| 00:39.04 | blackflow | Lope2: try dist-upgrade to wheezy and see what happens? |
| 00:39.06 | Lope2 | it's like sending a little floating toy duck to save people from titanic right now :p |
| 00:39.13 | fiberterminal | protip: use a better host |
| 00:39.28 | fiberterminal | I have a pretty solid VPS host atm, and I rip through hosts, my dotcom has seen 12+ |
| 00:39.37 | Lope2 | blackflow: okay, sure. but you said that if I upgrade the rescue disk, the dodgy stuff will remain in memory? |
| 00:39.57 | Lope2 | fiberterminal: what is 12+ in english my friend? |
| 00:39.59 | blackflow | Lope2: restart mdadm after upgrade |
| 00:40.09 | Lope2 | blackflow: alrighty then. |
| 00:40.12 | fiberterminal | I've used over a dozen hosting co's |
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| 00:40.31 | fiberterminal | (over 10 years though) |
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| 00:40.40 | blackflow | Lope2: but yes, you might have issues if you debootstrap jessie because of that. I'd suggest debootstrap wheezy, boot into a working minimal wheezy, upgrade to jessie, make sure it works, and only then do the openvz |
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| 00:42.40 | fiberterminal | final friday nightmare... how do I upgrade to jessie tomorrow :p |
| 00:42.51 | Lope2 | is wheezy not systemd? is that why wheezy can boot a grub that squeeze installed? |
| 00:43.09 | Brigo | lanodan, i sorry, try the wiki or google. |
| 00:43.20 | fiberterminal | I use mariadb's repo, nginx's repo, and dotdeb repo for php |
| 00:43.33 | fiberterminal | however, jessie actually includes fairly new versions of those packages nowadays |
| 00:43.41 | lanodan | Already tried a search engine (google sucks for tons of things) |
| 00:44.35 | blackflow | google sucks. period. :) |
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| 00:46.11 | Brigo | Lope2, the problem is not grub, the problen is if the kernel support cgroups. |
| 00:46.21 | Lope2 | holy shit. I just noticed my RMM has an option to redirect a USB flash drive or ISO from my CDROM (supposedly, apparently, maybe) ? |
| 00:46.45 | Lope2 | anyway, I'm busy adding in the sources.list. i have to type it all manually, can't paste it. :( |
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| 00:48.25 | blackflow | Lope2: you can pastebin it and then wget it :) |
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| 00:50.27 | Lope2 | blackflow: hehe, I noticed it wasn't too different from the old one, just swapped squeeze for jessie. |
| 00:50.42 | Lope2 | ok it failed |
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| 00:51.05 | blackflow | try wheezy then |
| 00:51.09 | Lope2 | couldn't configure pre-depend fuse for ntfs-3g, probably a dependency |
| 00:51.22 | Lope2 | should I reboot the recovery iso? |
| 00:51.43 | blackflow | if it started reinstalling, then yes |
| 00:51.57 | blackflow | reinstalling/upgrading packages, I mean. |
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| 00:52.08 | Lope2 | nah, it was just GET'ing |
| 00:52.17 | blackflow | then you don't have to |
| 00:52.17 | Lope2 | hey, this console claims it can redirect an iso/ |
| 00:52.25 | Lope2 | i wonder what the smallest netinstall for jessie is? |
| 00:52.31 | Lope2 | my adsl sucks, but it might work? |
| 00:52.40 | Lope2 | upload speed is 50KB/s |
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| 00:53.27 | blackflow | few hundred mb |
| 00:53.33 | blackflow | *MB |
| 00:55.15 | Lope2 | hmm |
| 00:55.20 | Lope2 | okay |
| 00:55.23 | Lope2 | will try wheezy |
| 00:55.31 | amnesiak | yep, about 250MB for a netinstall iso, assuming you want either a 32 or 64 bit |
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| 00:56.44 | blackflow | Lope2: I'm pretty sure you can debootstrap wheezy to your hdd root partition from the 6 rescue |
| 00:56.50 | Lope2 | yeah, nothing beats downloading on my dedicated server in the DC lol |
| 00:57.24 | Lope2 | in the amount of time it took me to write my last sentence it did 83% of 256mb |
| 00:57.54 | fiberterminal | :p I got a gigE port |
| 00:57.55 | Lope2 | okay, but what's the point of debootstrapping wheezy? |
| 00:57.58 | Lope2 | I want jessie? |
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| 00:58.45 | Lope2 | WTF after the dist-upgrade it comes up with LILO configuration. saying "this seems to be your first LILO install!?" |
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| 00:59.26 | Lope2 | haha it just said "its absolutely necessary to run lilo config. i was like "yeah whatever, not gonna do that." |
| 01:00.14 | Lope2 | fiberterminal: nice. I dunno what I got. but its a lot quicker than my ADSL :) |
| 01:00.49 | lanodan | Uh I guess Iâll have to compile to have busyboxâs mdev on my debian laptop |
| 01:03.13 | Lope2 | my server is just going ape-shiz installing stuff |
| 01:04.05 | Lope2 | not bad for a mechanical HDD |
| 01:04.45 | Lope2 | when wheezy is installed, should I install jessie? |
| 01:04.55 | fiberterminal | I could probably recommend my VPS host depending on what you pay for what kind of hardware and where it's located |
| 01:04.59 | Lope2 | into the rescue disk environment? |
| 01:05.27 | Lope2 | fiberterminal: I'm on a dedi |
| 01:05.36 | fiberterminal | ah, that's different :p |
| 01:05.38 | Lope2 | but I'd still be interested to know? |
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| 01:05.48 | fiberterminal | I'll PM you so people don't think I'm a spammer |
| 01:06.19 | Lope2 | okay, should I upgrade this disk to jessie now? |
| 01:06.33 | Lope2 | Because then I can potentially repair my grub right now? |
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| 01:07.12 | fiberterminal | is clueless |
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| 01:08.50 | Lope2 | just to save myself time and bandwidth I'm backing up apt-cache to my old root partition. |
| 01:09.10 | Lope2 | I suppose a different volume would be more appropriate. whatever. |
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| 01:11.56 | Lope2 | the jessie install is proceeding. |
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| 01:12.20 | Lope2 | no apt dependency problems. its well on it's way. |
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| 01:14.33 | Lope2 | ok, the install broke part of the way, one of the apt-cache files were corrupt. i deleted it, but now there's dependency problems. |
| 01:15.28 | Lope2 | I used -f and it's continuing |
| 01:16.26 | Lope2 | okay now I need some help please :) |
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| 01:16.53 | Lope2 | Please upgrade your kernel before or while upgrading udev |
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| 01:17.52 | lala | Hello. I've been following the LFS (Linux From Scratch) guide and I've found a problem trying to find some host requirements, specifically with the library check script on the bottom of http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/stable/prologue/hostreqs.html, which gives me the following output: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=V9upRANQ. I was unable to find libmpfr.la and libmpc.la using the packages.debian.org search. I am running Linux debian 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 |
| 01:17.53 | lala | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:17.59 | Lope2 | At your own risk you can force the installation o this new version of udev WHICH DOES NOT WORK WITH YOUR RUNNING KERNEL AND WILL BREAK YOUR SYSTEM AT THE NEXT REBOT by creating the /etc/udev/kernel-upgrade file (who cares, its a rescue disk) there's aways a safer way blah blah. |
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| 01:19.11 | blackflow | Lope2: what are you doing now? I thought you were uploading the jessie netinstall iso? |
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| 01:20.13 | Lope2 | blackflow: I figured it would be the easiest if I can just upgrade the rescue disk to jessie, then reinstall my grub, then I don't need to reinstall my whole system. |
| 01:20.40 | themill | lala: Debian doesn't ship .la files. That guide looks to be about 10 years out of date btw. |
| 01:20.42 | Lope2 | okay, i ran dpkg --force-all -i /var/cache/apt/archives/udev blah |
| 01:20.43 | blackflow | I guess you can't upgrade to jessie. there's no udev any more now that you mention it |
| 01:20.48 | blackflow | it's been subsumed into systemd |
| 01:21.00 | themill | sure there's still udev |
| 01:21.22 | Lope2 | it gave the above error again. it said udev doesn't want to install but you can force it. I thought --force-all would work. |
| 01:21.24 | blackflow | but that's systemd-udev isn't it? |
| 01:21.27 | Lope2 | how can I force udev to install? |
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| 01:21.52 | themill | blackflow: it's just udev. |
| 01:22.06 | Lope2 | blackflow: hang on a second! are you saying Wheezy CANNOT upgrade to Jessie? |
| 01:22.12 | themill | ,i udev --release jessie |
| 01:22.13 | Lope2 | this is the first time anyone has said that? |
| 01:22.13 | judd | Package udev (admin, important) in jessie/amd64: /dev/ and hotplug management daemon. Version: 215-17; Size: 853.7k; Installed: 5924k; Homepage: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd |
| 01:22.24 | blackflow | I really suggest you go step by step. debootstrap wheezy from squeeze, reboot into it, upgrade to jessie |
| 01:22.30 | themill | (the location of the git repo isn't really relevant) |
| 01:22.57 | blackflow | themill: it's not just location of the repo, that udev can't run without systemd, afaik. |
| 01:23.16 | themill | that's nonsense |
| 01:23.59 | Lope2 | lol, now that I broke my rescue disk, I can't install the debootstrap package. |
| 01:24.19 | Lope2 | so why doesn't my wheezy rescue disk want to upgrade to jessie? |
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| 01:24.56 | Lope2 | blackflow: I hear what you're saying that it's safer to debootstrap. but if I can get jessie installed, then it's all over, theoretically. |
| 01:25.23 | Lope2 | and I've backed up all the apt cache so I can reboot and upgrade the rescue disk again quickly if I need to. |
| 01:25.29 | blackflow | Lope2: you could've been done by now if you went step by step ::) |
| 01:25.53 | Lope2 | haha |
| 01:25.57 | Lope2 | yeah, maybe. |
| 01:26.09 | Lope2 | so any idea how to force udev package to install on jessie? |
| 01:26.28 | Lope2 | surely it's supposed to be a clean upgrade from wheezy? |
| 01:26.37 | themill | what kernel are you running there? |
| 01:26.40 | blackflow | themill: could be in Debian, but at least in Gentoo it isn't nonsense, there's no more udev without systemd. they have eudev for non-systemd udev. |
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| 01:26.52 | themill | blackflow: this is #debian |
| 01:26.58 | blackflow | themill: I was under the impression that it's not depending on a distro but on systemd. |
| 01:27.12 | Lope2 | udev doesn't like my kernel. it's 3.4.28. from squeeze |
| 01:27.20 | blackflow | oh gee I wonder why. |
| 01:27.33 | Lope2 | :) |
| 01:27.37 | joldy | Systemd is a faustian deal with the devil |
| 01:27.47 | joldy | I will now start a systemd flamewar |
| 01:27.48 | themill | Lope2: so you're not actually running wheezy at all. No, it's not possible to upgrade from squeeze to jessie. |
| 01:27.48 | joldy | watch! |
| 01:27.49 | blackflow | Lope2: just go step by step. |
| 01:28.27 | Lope2 | blackflow: |
| 01:28.28 | Lope2 | alrighty |
| 01:28.43 | fiberterminal | does he really have to go from squeeze > wheezy > jessie? |
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| 01:28.57 | fiberterminal | protip: backup your shit and spool up a fresh jessie server |
| 01:29.07 | themill | fiberterminal: yes, skip-upgrades are not supported. |
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| 01:29.38 | Lope2 | joldy: what you gonna do, systemd has eaten up like every big linux distro, and you're sitting on #debian. systemd has you. |
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| 01:30.26 | themill | Lope2: please stick to actual support -- systemd is irrelevant to this |
| 01:30.49 | Lope2 | themill: alrighty :) |
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| 01:32.07 | joldy | I'll call Psychic Hotline and tell them exactly what I think about Systemd! |
| 01:32.22 | joldy | raises fist |
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| 01:35.58 | Lope2 | this wheezy upgrade is about to finish |
| 01:36.27 | fiberterminal | you are a trooper |
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| 01:37.37 | Lope2 | this page doesn't actuall have a CHROOT command? https://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap |
| 01:37.43 | Lope2 | (the part that says install wheezy) |
| 01:38.19 | Lope2 | so I take it that deboostrap will take the path to the chroot dir and do it for me? |
| 01:38.38 | Lope2 | (gotta ask the obvious questions sometimes) |
| 01:38.41 | blackflow | Lope2: man debootstrap |
| 01:39.00 | Lope2 | still installing |
| 01:39.11 | Lope2 | i was just hoping to have my finger on the trigger :p |
| 01:39.32 | blackflow | Lope2: debootstrap jessie /path/to/root http://mirror..... |
| 01:39.45 | Lope2 | yeah, i've got that |
| 01:40.04 | Lope2 | I was just wondering if the debootstrap program will actually chroot the chroot path itself |
| 01:40.15 | gone-------- | is jessie still rolling out tomorrow? |
| 01:40.29 | blackflow | Lope2: no it won't |
| 01:40.36 | themill | gone--------: why do you expect it will not? |
| 01:40.45 | Lope2 | blackflow: will debootstrap install grub for me? |
| 01:40.46 | blackflow | Lope2: and before you chroot, don't forget to rbind mount dev and sys, and procfs |
| 01:40.51 | gone-------- | release dates are never certain |
| 01:40.56 | Lope2 | oh, good to know! |
| 01:41.00 | Lope2 | see it's a good reason I asked. |
| 01:41.13 | Lope2 | But if I chroot myself, then surely /path/to/chroot. is just / ? |
| 01:41.32 | Lope2 | so what's the point of having a /path/to/chroot argument? |
| 01:41.36 | blackflow | Lope2: then after you chroot, setup locale, tzdata, install mdadm, grub, kernel, openssh-server, vim (or whatver you use to write stuff), because debootstrapped is very very minimal |
| 01:41.57 | blackflow | Lope2: because you debootstrap before the chroot |
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| 01:42.24 | blackflow | Lope2: oh and don't forget resolv.conf, static network config, fstab |
| 01:42.38 | Lope2 | oh, so debootstrap mainly just downloads stuff? |
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| 01:42.54 | blackflow | Lope2: it unpacks the most minimal debian base |
| 01:43.13 | blackflow | and I think it does copy stuff like resolv.conf and hostname, not sure |
| 01:44.09 | Lope2 | is there a list of commands I need to run after running the debootstrap command? |
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| 01:45.17 | Lope2 | shit, my battery is about to die |
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| 01:45.24 | Lope2 | I gotta get some sleep anyways. |
| 01:45.31 | Lope2 | thanks for the help, will continue tomorrow. |
| 01:45.37 | blackflow | Lope2: good luck |
| 01:45.47 | Lope2 | thanks for ALL YOUR AMAZING HELP BRO! |
| 01:45.48 | Lope2 | bless you |
| 01:45.49 | Lope2 | peae |
| 01:45.51 | Lope2 | peace |
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| 01:48.22 | fiberterminal | if only we knew what time jessie was coming out :p |
| 01:49.08 | ryouma | when it's ready :) |
| 01:49.10 | joldy | It's already out fiberterminal |
| 01:49.36 | joldy | in full unsecured beta glory |
| 01:50.14 | blackflow | it's actually RC3, a bit better than beta :) |
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| 01:50.23 | blackflow | I've been running it on production servers for a few days now. |
| 01:50.34 | fiberterminal | changed all my sources.list from "wheezy" to "stable" |
| 01:50.39 | blackflow | I seriously doubt that tomorrow my apt-get upgrade will bring anything at all. |
| 01:51.29 | themill | no, the "RC3" is the installer |
| 01:51.39 | themill | fiberterminal: that's not a good plan btw |
| 01:51.49 | fiberterminal | why not? |
| 01:53.19 | themill | !stable sources.list |
| 01:53.19 | dpkg | Despite the fact previous installers, countless websites and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list (prior to apt 0.9.6) will tell you to do this, do *not* use "stable" in your sources.list; use the release code name instead (e.g. "wheezy"). Upgrading between releases is no longer trivial; make sure you read the <release notes> and ask me about <squeeze->wheezy>, <testing sources.list>, <wheezy sources.list>. |
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| 01:53.51 | hikenboot | anyone able to tell me if I could avoid the large number of dependencies (size wise) for targetcli (FCoE) command line interface if I compile from scratch and perhaps just avoid an option or two...trying to use it on a small build system |
| 01:54.06 | themill | fiberterminal: upgrading from one release to another should be a deliberate action you take with care when you can schedule the necessary down time. |
| 01:54.28 | hikenboot | as it stands its nearly 1GB of dependencies |
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| 01:55.19 | fiberterminal | shit, I'll have to fix that then |
| 01:55.24 | fiberterminal | thx for tip |
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| 01:55.37 | OptimizedCoder | I have an issue - when trying to upgrade some internal software.. |
| 01:56.08 | OptimizedCoder | error is : "dpkg: error processing package internal-sw (--configure):" |
| 01:56.31 | OptimizedCoder | how exactly do I get to this dpkg config scprit to change .. |
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| 01:56.37 | themill | OptimizedCoder: that's probably not the actual error message |
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| 01:57.18 | OptimizedCoder | themill, the actual error after that line: " subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 102" |
| 01:57.42 | OptimizedCoder | thing is I know what to fix. I just need to know where that dpkg install/post-install script is |
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| 01:58.37 | themill | It should be fixed in the package |
| 01:59.06 | themill | !postinst |
| 01:59.06 | dpkg | During package installation, dpkg runs a script called "preinst", unpacks the .deb, then runs "postinst". When removing, it runs "prerm", deletes the files and then runs "postrm". These scripts can be found in /var/lib/dpkg/info/$package.{pre,post}{inst,rm}; as a last resort to fixing packaging problems, you can edit the script, e.g. by making the second line "exit 0" of a shell script. http://wiki.debian.org/MaintainerScripts |
| 01:59.53 | OptimizedCoder | themill, thanks a lot, I guess I have to make do with hacks here and there. They don't support debian (default is ubuntu) |
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| 02:01.18 | fiberterminal | hmmm, what about security updates? |
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| 02:04.08 | OptimizedCoder | fiberterminal, it's just one single app that is plugged in |
| 02:05.22 | fiberterminal | I meant when switching to jessie early |
| 02:05.25 | fiberterminal | eg right now |
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| 02:20.14 | OptimizedCoder | I got my issue fixed.. thanks @themill. The issue was the .postinstall script supported only upstart (ubuntu) :( |
| 02:20.39 | themill | fun |
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| 02:23.49 | OptimizedCoder | one more q: I'm trying to install a 3rd party ubuntu app, and dpkg fails with "Errors were encountered while processing: pkg", how do I abort this installation |
| 02:25.20 | OptimizedCoder | nevermind, figured it out |
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| 02:28.47 | crculver | Has the Debian Jessie been scheduled for any particular hour today? |
| 02:28.58 | crculver | Debian Jessie release, I mean. |
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| 02:30.11 | joldy | The Debian Jessie will indeed be released during a particular hour |
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| 02:50.47 | crculver | joldy: And that hour is? |
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| 03:02.17 | themill | crculver: the release is a multi-hour process |
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| 03:03.35 | maher | i'm still having problems invoking bash so that it exits to an interactive shell - does anyone know how to do this? |
| 03:05.12 | buu | maher: cmd ; bash ; |
| 03:06.17 | maher | buu: awesome - thanks! |
| 03:06.36 | buu | All the bash! |
| 03:06.46 | buu | You might want bash --login or something |
| 03:08.11 | crculver | themill: Thanks, didnât know that. |
| 03:09.22 | themill | From the user perspective, the release is also really only the CD team cutting some new ISOs... if you've already got jessie installed, that's not very relevant to you |
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| 03:40.55 | shay_shay | hai |
| 03:41.30 | shay_shay | the jessie live isos are something to look forward to |
| 03:41.57 | shay_shay | mostly as a novelty |
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| 03:45.21 | crculver | themill: So if I were to change my sources.list file from wheezy to jessie right now and then upgrade, I'd miss out on nothing released later in the day? |
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| 03:49.04 | themill | crculver: indeed. From a user perspective, jessie has looked like a stable release for a couple of weeks |
| 03:49.12 | somiaj | crculver: just as with wheezy as secuirty updates and bug fixes via wheezy-updates get made you can upgrade to them |
| 03:49.57 | somiaj | crculver: so things will change here and there like point releases, but they are easy to install as they come out, and as themill said, it is basically the release. |
| 03:50.24 | somiaj | themill: did you say something that there are a pool of packages in jessie-updates fixing some of the rc bugs? |
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| 03:52.43 | crculver | themill: Thanks. Debian stable releases come about so rarely Iâve forgotten all my prior experience with a dist upgrade. |
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| 03:53.43 | somiaj | crculver: read the release notes first, then decide what effects you and prepare for your upgrade. Once upgraded include secuirty sources and possiblity jessie-updates to keep up to date. |
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| 03:56.55 | themill | somiaj: there are packages in jessie/updates that fix security bugs (which are RC). None of those packages is in the netinst so I assume they won't get copied into the archive until the next point release. |
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| 04:00.13 | shay_shay | any idea when we can expect new live isos? |
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| 04:00.33 | asarch | How can I know the list of loaded modules in lighttpd? |
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| 04:04.40 | Rusty1 | asarch: there is #lighttpd channel whilst you wait here |
| 04:04.59 | asarch | They are in the tea time :-( |
| 04:05.28 | asarch | I just was wondering if there is such an option a la httpd -t -D DUMP_MODULES |
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| 04:08.18 | somiaj | asarch: one method is look at the config files in /etc, most likely there is a directory that shows links for all the enabled one. Not sure if there is a server call you can do to get it to spit out that info. |
| 04:08.38 | asarch | Thank you somiaj |
| 04:08.43 | asarch | Thank you very much :-) |
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| 05:02.35 | hikenboot | fiberterminal, were you replying to me about targetcli? |
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| 05:10.04 | fiberterminal | no |
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| 05:27.13 | NotJimCarrey | i have a Gigabyte Brix GB-BXi7-4500, and I'm trying to get HDMI audio out working. currently, HDMI doesn't show up at all in 'aplay -l' |
| 05:27.38 | NotJimCarrey | in dmesg, i'm seeing "hda-intel: No response from codec, disabling MSI: last cmd=0x000f0000" |
| 05:28.00 | NotJimCarrey | hda-intel: Codec #0 probe error; disabling it... |
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| 05:35.32 | buu | NotJimCarrey: What chipset is that? |
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| 05:37.40 | NotJimCarrey | well, i know the analog out uses ALC269VC |
| 05:38.07 | NotJimCarrey | but analog/digital is all that shows up in aplay -l |
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| 05:47.44 | sdasdfasf | hello world |
| 05:48.00 | sdasdfasf | When is jessie being released? |
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| 05:48.05 | sdasdfasf | FREE JESSIE |
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| 05:58.21 | soundtoxin | I'd like to stop a controller I have from moving the mouse *without disabling it in xinput*. If I disable it in xinput I can still use it in games, however my screen will go dark as it is not detecting keyboard/mouse input. I believe if it's under xinput but doesn't move the mouse, this issue will be solved. |
| 05:58.35 | soundtoxin | Looking it up a lot of people mention joystick-related packages to remove, I do not have those |
| 05:58.48 | soundtoxin | aside from that I've had trouble even finding relevant results |
| 05:58.57 | soundtoxin | I'm using a Wii U Pro Controller over Bluetooth |
| 06:00.23 | buu | soundtoxin: Wouldn't be simpler to just stop the screen from going dark? |
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| 06:00.37 | soundtoxin | I was hoping no one would suggest something as silly as that |
| 06:00.43 | dutchfish | soundtoxin, what debian version? |
| 06:00.46 | soundtoxin | Jessie |
| 06:01.07 | dutchfish | soundtoxin, what does 'systemctl status bluetooth' say? |
| 06:01.27 | soundtoxin | dutchfish: http://sprunge.us/DRah |
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| 06:02.15 | dutchfish | soundtoxin, thats fine, do you have blueman installed? |
| 06:02.44 | dutchfish | (i assume you have not kde as wm) |
| 06:03.55 | soundtoxin | I just use openbox |
| 06:04.02 | soundtoxin | I think I have blueman |
| 06:04.14 | soundtoxin | is there a more elegant way to check if a package is installed than trying to install it? |
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| 06:04.40 | soundtoxin | anyway, yeah, I have it |
| 06:04.43 | soundtoxin | says it's the latest version |
| 06:04.47 | dutchfish | ok, are there any errors in 'journalctl PRIORITY=1 PRIORITY=2 PRIORITY=3 PRIORITY=4 PRIORITY=5' ? |
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| 06:07.17 | dutchfish | checking if a package is installed 'dpkg -l | grep blueman' as an example |
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| 06:08.03 | swift110-phone | Jessie out yet |
| 06:08.16 | dutchfish | swift110-phone, not yet, in release atm |
| 06:08.52 | swift110-phone | Ok cool |
| 06:09.20 | swift110-phone | How much lighter is debian vs. Ubuntu or Linux mint |
| 06:10.17 | dutchfish | swift110-phone, that depends on what yoy install, arch, wm etc, but see: https://www.debian.org/mirror/size |
| 06:10.24 | dutchfish | s/yoy/you |
| 06:10.36 | swift110-phone | Lol |
| 06:10.47 | swift110-phone | Ok well with openbox de |
| 06:11.12 | dutchfish | swift110-phone, ranting goes to /dev/null ;) |
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| 06:11.58 | dutchfish | swift110-phone, most of the time debian is slithly less space then its derivates, but not always |
| 06:12.24 | soundtoxin | dutchfish: wait why are we looking for errors? |
| 06:12.29 | swift110-phone | Hmm |
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| 06:13.10 | dutchfish | soundtoxin, because, we do not know exactly the couse, this might be either a driver issue (kernel) or a issue within your windows manager |
| 06:13.22 | soundtoxin | I do not think there's an "issue" here |
| 06:13.33 | dutchfish | soundtoxin, i would inspect all the logs first |
| 06:13.40 | soundtoxin | you misunderstand |
| 06:13.46 | soundtoxin | I don't think this bigger problem is related to any issues |
| 06:13.54 | soundtoxin | X11 naturally makes a joystick move the mouse |
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| 06:14.00 | dutchfish | soundtoxin, ok, i uderstanded that the screen went black, when you unplug |
| 06:14.05 | soundtoxin | no |
| 06:14.14 | soundtoxin | the screen goes black from inactivity if I am only using the controller |
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| 13:19.21 | wim_ | repository: as in sources.list, delayed: for example a month later (eg new version of packageX only appears after a month in the delayed repo) |
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| 13:20.13 | wim_ | repository: thus hosting such a repository |
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| 13:22.21 | Jerry83 | third-party themes.. well I use a simple wallpaper, latest adobe flash version for debian, software center - software system - software update - update manager. Iceweasel backport. this are the things I have installed |
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| 13:22.49 | Jerry83 | chrome from google |
| 13:23.06 | Jerry83 | as well but it never gave me problems |
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| 13:27.24 | Jerry83 | So I would create a new user account on debian, will this allow me to have all programs I have installed here or not? |
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| 13:27.50 | Jerry83 | or will it be like a brand new wheezy installation? |
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| 13:30.15 | ompaul | Jerry83: it will have all the installed programs, not the profile |
| 13:30.21 | wim_ | Jerry83: creating a new account will not change toe programmes installed |
| 13:30.31 | wim_ | :) |
| 13:30.40 | ompaul | Jerry83:this tests for some additional personal stuff killing your setup |
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| 13:31.30 | ompaul | you can also run memtest when you reboot the machine when you are finished with it and leave it run for several hours to test your machine - not 100% going to find a bad memory problem, but if it finds one you need new ram |
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| 13:33.21 | Jerry83 | with a new username could I access to my folders: documents, download etc? |
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| 13:34.53 | swordsmanz | Jerry83 yes you just ned to copy/ chown the folders into the new account |
| 13:35.11 | swordsmanz | altho that might restore configs creating the initial problem |
| 13:35.13 | Jerry83 | get it |
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| 13:36.13 | swordsmanz | so you migth want to get rid of files with a ./ in the home directory |
| 13:36.28 | swordsmanz | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:37.05 | zblakany | when Jessie will be stable? |
| 13:37.06 | swordsmanz | you should make sure your working on a copy if you plan on deleting stuff like that tho |
| 13:37.11 | zblakany | I mean exact hour :-P |
| 13:37.21 | Brigo | zblakany, nobody knows. |
| 13:37.40 | swordsmanz | zblakany as long as it takes to bake a cake |
| 13:37.46 | zblakany | Brigo: today? ;-P |
| 13:37.57 | Brigo | zblakany, as it's usal, when it's ready :) |
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| 13:38.02 | Brigo | zblakany, for sure. |
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| 13:38.03 | zblakany | swordsmanz, Brigo: ;-P |
| 13:38.08 | Jerry83 | get it thx |
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| 13:38.26 | Brigo | zblakany, the release work is in progress. You can follow it in identi.ca/debian |
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| 13:40.38 | themill | You can also ask dpkg about it |
| 13:40.40 | themill | !releasingjessie |
| 13:40.40 | dpkg | i guess releasingjessie is FTP/Release teams' work complete; i386 images done, CD testing in progress |
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| 13:58.09 | sphenxes01 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:58.10 | dpkg | it has been said that releasingjessie is FTP/Release teams' work complete; i386 images done, CD testing in progress |
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| 14:00.59 | deego | I have testing in my sources.list, but my preferences have it pinned to -900. This setup has worked for some 15 years. Today, however, it wants to install curl security update from testing, and complains that it "has been kept back." |
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| 14:02.42 | deego | http://pastebin.com/a70HHLnm - is there anything wrong you see with my pinning? |
| 14:02.45 | Brigo | deego, it should be jessie is being released just now. The releae team are changing links and so. So you can experience some problems. |
| 14:03.20 | deego | http://pastebin.com/VfkfQ7Fb |
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| 14:04.14 | deego | Brigo: ah, nice! |
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| 14:06.32 | SynrG | deego: in particular, testing is stretch, not jessie. |
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| 14:07.07 | SynrG | deego: since testing is a bit of a mess immediately after the release (lots of less-tested material suddenly lands in testing all at once) you may wish to avoid it entirely for a few months |
| 14:07.15 | centrx | deego, you have "stable" pinned to 900, and jessie in your sources.list, so on release you will be pulling from upgraded new packages |
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| 14:09.18 | Jerry83 | I am trying to add a new user, this guide I have found tells me to do this: #useradd myusername ---> passwd myusername ---> mkdir /home/myusername ------> chown jsmith:users /home/myusername Would you do in this way? |
| 14:09.49 | centrx | Jerry83, no, just user 'adduser' instead of 'useradd' and it does all the rest automatically |
| 14:10.16 | deego | SynrG, centrx thanks |
| 14:10.22 | deego | centrx: should i pin it bark to 150? |
| 14:10.50 | SynrG | what is 'it'? |
| 14:10.57 | Jerry83 | centrx, thanks |
| 14:11.05 | centrx | deego, Why do you have it set up this way? Generally pulling testing packages onto stable is a bad idea |
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| 14:11.08 | SynrG | deego: and what is your goal? |
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| 14:12.25 | SynrG | deego: here's what i recommend. rm /etc/apt/preferences |
| 14:12.29 | deego | thanks |
| 14:12.34 | SynrG | i don't see anything useful in yours |
| 14:12.51 | SynrG | your sources.list should only contain 'jessie' lines today |
| 14:13.11 | SynrG | if-and-when you need something more recent, use jessie-backports (doesn't exist yet, or if it does, is empty) |
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| 14:13.43 | SynrG | run your system this way for the next few months. when development in testing resumes, if you want to run a testing system, consider implementing this: |
| 14:13.44 | SynrG | !tum |
| 14:13.45 | dpkg | «echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf», edit sources.list, copy your non-security testing lines and change one set to unstable, then apt-get update. Use apt-get -t unstable install foo; to install foo from unstable rather than testing as usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release: set Preferences->Distribution. |
| 14:14.02 | deego | "<SynrG> if-and-when you need something more r [..] (doesn't exist yet, or if it does, is empty)" <<=== does that have security support? |
| 14:14.09 | SynrG | it's very simple. doesn't involve endlessly tweaking priorities, and "just works" |
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| 14:14.39 | SynrG | !testing security |
| 14:14.40 | dpkg | The testing release does not receive full security support until just before release. Up until that time, security updates can take a few days to arrive and will often be new upstream versions which may require you to spend significant time reconfiguring applications. Don't run 'testing' on things where good security support and stability are important. See <moving target>. |
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| 14:14.59 | SynrG | !backports security |
| 14:15.04 | SynrG | sec |
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| 14:15.23 | Jerry83 | enter new UNIX password: is this the sudo password or thr root password? |
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| 14:15.28 | SynrG | !backport caveat |
| 14:15.28 | dpkg | Remember that in installing backports, you will be using an unusual configuration of packages that has not been tested as thoroughly as Debian stable and that newer packages have both newer features and newer bugs. Ask me about <version chasing>. Also note that you can't rely on backports to be patched quickly if vulnerabilities are discovered. |
| 14:15.45 | SynrG | deego: you are no further ahead using testing mixed into stable than using backports. |
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| 14:16.13 | deego | Can I pin backports to negative so I can pick and choose packages? Like I do with testing atm. |
| 14:16.32 | SynrG | completely unnecessary |
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| 14:16.51 | deego | can i? |
| 14:16.57 | ompaul | deego: so if you are marked for testing then you pull in testing all of it |
| 14:17.01 | SynrG | backports is automatically pinned. nothing is installed from it unless you explicitly specify installing from it |
| 14:17.01 | [Franklin] | congrats guys on jessie |
| 14:17.05 | Jerry83 | enter new UNIX password: is this the sudo password or thr root password? |
| 14:17.09 | deego | SynrG: ah |
| 14:17.12 | ctmjr | Jerry83: it is whatever you want for the new user |
| 14:17.15 | SynrG | *negative* pinning of backports is just plain wrong |
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| 14:17.28 | SynrG | it means you won't receive upgrades of things you've installed from backports. |
| 14:17.33 | ompaul | Jerry83: new user password ... unless you have just typed su - to become root before running the program |
| 14:17.48 | SynrG | deego: that's why i recommended you rm /etc/apt/preferences ... it's so far from being accurate as to be worse than useless |
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| 14:18.01 | SynrG | it's overly complex and leaves you at risk |
| 14:18.22 | SynrG | plus unsupported in its current configuration besides |
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| 14:18.52 | deego | got it, many thanks for your inputs |
| 14:18.55 | SynrG | np |
| 14:20.19 | Jerry83 | i am root and want to use the same passwords i use in the other username, the question is: i have added the new username and it ask me Enter new UNIX password. Is it asking the root password or the normal password used for access and sudo>? |
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| 14:20.37 | deego | Jerry83: normal |
| 14:20.53 | Jerry83 | deego, thanks |
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| 14:21.06 | SynrG | er? |
| 14:21.08 | Kosl | Hi. Heard that Ubuntu is planning to introduce Snappy. What are the disadvantages of .deb-packages? |
| 14:21.27 | SynrG | Jerry83: i'm not sure of deego's answer and need to make it clear what you're doing |
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| 14:22.11 | SynrG | Jerry83: never mind. deego is right |
| 14:22.22 | SynrG | ambiguous antecedents. gotta love em |
| 14:22.41 | Jerry83 | SynrG, thanks |
| 14:22.47 | SynrG | just had to figure out what your "it"s referred to |
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| 14:23.32 | Jerry83 | :) |
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| 14:24.38 | SynrG | Kosl: are you lost? this is #debian |
| 14:24.46 | SynrG | Kosl: maybe you were looking for #ubuntu |
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| 14:24.59 | lord4163 | is jessie released now? |
| 14:25.12 | korhojoa | read the topic |
| 14:25.17 | korhojoa | it says "releasing today" |
| 14:25.27 | SynrG | !releasingjessie |
| 14:25.27 | dpkg | releasingjessie is, like, FTP/Release teams' work complete; i386 images done, CD testing in progress |
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| 14:28.12 | kivutar | Hello, I'm not able to downgrade to php5.3 on wheezy |
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| 14:28.23 | kivutar | I followed this guide http://schman.at/php-5-3-x-auf-debian-7-4-wheezy/ about pinning |
| 14:28.34 | SynrG | ,v php5 |
| 14:28.35 | judd | Package: php5 on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze17; squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze17; squeeze-security: 5.3.3-7+squeeze19; squeeze: 5.3.3-7+squeeze19; squeeze-security-lts: 5.3.3-7+squeeze25; wheezy: 5.4.36-0+deb7u1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 5.4.39-0+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 5.4.39-0+deb7u2; sid: 5.6.7+dfsg-1; jessie: 5.6.7+dfsg-1 |
| 14:29.06 | SynrG | kivutar: what this guide describes is unsupported. why do you need it? |
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| 14:29.31 | kivutar | drupal 6 have some modules incompatibles with php5.4 |
| 14:29.42 | SynrG | !dotdeb |
| 14:29.42 | dpkg | http://dotdeb.org/ is an unofficial package repository with emphasis on the <LAMP> solution stack, unsupported in #debian. To get support, read http://www.dotdeb.org/2012/08/24/how-to-post-useful-bug-reports/ and report any issues to https://github.com/gplessis/dotdeb-php5/issues . Ask me about <dotdeb alternatives>. |
| 14:29.46 | vivia | hey, i grabbed an old installation which had deb-multimedia and i'm trying to untangle the mess. i'm getting this error when trying to remve mplayer: update-alternatives: error: alternative name (/usr/bin/mplayer) must not contain '/' and spaces. how do i get to remove it? |
| 14:29.47 | SynrG | dotdeb is horrible. don't use it |
| 14:30.01 | kivutar | I didn't use dotdeb |
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| 14:30.08 | kivutar | just did the first part of the guide |
| 14:30.12 | avshalom | !version chasing |
| 14:30.12 | dpkg | A higher version number does not mean that it's better, just newer. Debian's <stable> release might not have the latest packages, but it has packages that have been tested and bugfixed; for selected packages, you can use backports.debian.org. You should have a better reason than "newer" when considering compiling from source or using 3rd party repos. Ask me about <debian-backports>. Tell us what you're doing isn't just <sns syndrome>. |
| 14:30.18 | kivutar | it was enough on another of my servers |
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| 14:30.31 | avshalom | !sns syndrome |
| 14:30.31 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 14:30.51 | SynrG | avshalom: not relevant. drupal6 is *old* |
| 14:30.55 | SynrG | ,v drupal7 |
| 14:30.56 | judd | Package: drupal7 on amd64 -- wheezy: 7.14-2+deb7u8; squeeze-backports: 7.14-2+deb7u9~bpo60+1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 7.14-2+deb7u9; wheezy-security: 7.14-2+deb7u9; wheezy-backports: 7.32-1+deb8u3~bpo70+1; jessie: 7.32-1+deb8u3; sid: 7.32-1+deb8u3 |
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| 14:31.15 | SynrG | kivutar: why use drupal6 on wheezy? this sounds like a recipe for disaster. |
| 14:31.36 | SynrG | ,v drupal6 |
| 14:31.38 | judd | Package: drupal6 on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 6.31-1; squeeze: 6.31-1 |
| 14:31.38 | avshalom | SynrG: i'm not following your conversation, just playing with the bot |
| 14:31.51 | kivutar | yeah maybe I should pay for two servers, but i'm not very rich, and my other services don't use php |
| 14:31.55 | SynrG | avshalom: ah. please don't play with the bot. /msg dpkg |
| 14:32.18 | SynrG | kivutar: you should not run drupal6 on wheezy. only on squeeze. |
| 14:32.29 | SynrG | kivutar: there is even squeeze-lts now to look after it |
| 14:32.34 | kivutar | also, I was able to downgrade easily on another wheezy and run drupal6 on it for months |
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| 14:33.09 | kivutar | I copied the extact same configurations |
| 14:33.12 | SynrG | what you have or have not accomplished in the past that is unsupported has no bearing on the matter. this is what happens when you go off and do unsupported things. they eventually break. |
| 14:33.16 | SynrG | and then you have no support. |
| 14:33.31 | kivutar | ok |
| 14:33.33 | kivutar | thanks |
| 14:33.39 | SynrG | also, i'm sorry |
| 14:33.47 | SynrG | i'm sure you're not having fun now |
| 14:33.54 | kivutar | is there another channel for unsupported problems ? ;) |
| 14:34.07 | SynrG | ask the author of the unsupported guide for help? |
| 14:34.12 | SynrG | ask dotdeb for help? |
| 14:34.31 | vivia | nvm, found where prerm scripts reside, fixed the buggy one, successfully removed mplayer. note to self: don't use deb-multimedia. |
| 14:34.32 | SynrG | generally unsupported things need to be supported by the people who promote them. |
| 14:34.41 | vivia | aka what SynrG says about unsupported things ;) |
| 14:34.50 | kivutar | this guide say basically the same thing https://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
| 14:34.55 | kivutar | is it unsupported too? |
| 14:34.56 | SynrG | but unfortunately, they often have limited expertise. especially if-and-when it breaks your whole system. |
| 14:35.20 | SynrG | many unsupported things are possible with apt preferences, yes. |
| 14:35.21 | kivutar | (i'm not using dotdeb) |
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| 14:35.50 | SynrG | also, the wiki represents the collective advice of the contributors of each page, and does not represent a recommendation by this channel or debian as a whole |
| 14:36.00 | kivutar | ok |
| 14:36.23 | SynrG | the wiki page explicitly warns: "When using apt-pinning, you must ensure compatibility of packages by yourself since Debian does not guarantee it. Note that apt-pinning is completely optional, and Debian does not encourage its use without thorough consideration." |
| 14:36.54 | SynrG | so at least due diligence has been done here to prevent you from shooting yourself in the foot |
| 14:37.41 | kivutar | I ensured it by using it on another server for months, however I understand that it would be too difficult for the community to support such numerous possibilities |
| 14:37.53 | SynrG | kivutar: so in summary: use drupal6 on squeeze-lts, or use drupal7 on wheezy. that's my recommendation. |
| 14:38.05 | SynrG | those are both supported. |
| 14:38.16 | SynrG | (or drupal7 on jessie) |
| 14:38.20 | kivutar | ok, no drupal7 and drupal6 alongside then |
| 14:38.38 | vivia | alongside?! |
| 14:38.41 | vivia | why?! |
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| 14:38.58 | SynrG | vivia: yeah. dmm is bad stuff :p |
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| 14:39.04 | kivutar | if one of my site use drupal6, and another one use drupal7? |
| 14:39.13 | kivutar | that's a common case |
| 14:39.26 | vivia | poor web devs :( |
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| 14:39.40 | SynrG | !tell vivia about dmm remove |
| 14:39.40 | vivia | SynrG: i found out after i installed this laptop (it was so old that wheezy was testing) |
| 14:39.45 | SynrG | yeah |
| 14:39.46 | kivutar | upgrading a big website from drupal6 to 7 takes weeks |
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| 14:40.20 | vivia | SynrG: thanks, but i somehow did it manually. seeing what breaks => remove or install correct version. :) |
| 14:40.28 | SynrG | nods |
| 14:40.56 | kivutar | what if I use lxc? |
| 14:41.02 | SynrG | kivutar: modern deployment methods exist |
| 14:41.07 | SynrG | yeah. something like this |
| 14:41.10 | SynrG | or docker |
| 14:41.17 | kivutar | ok I will look into this, thanks |
| 14:41.26 | SynrG | np |
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| 14:42.20 | vivia | docker, good idea :) |
| 14:42.38 | vivia | SynrG: i felt proud today. my mum asked to make sure that the old laptop she'll use for browsing and chatting has linux. \o/ |
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| 14:43.26 | SynrG | vivia: yay! |
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| 14:49.20 | Posterdati | is it out? |
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| 14:50.22 | teraflop | what |
| 14:50.40 | bet0x | Anyone can comment; http://openness.microsoft.com/blog/2015/04/21/microsoft-debian-8-linuxfest/ Jon "maddog" Hall just burned their post |
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| 14:51.04 | hacfi | hi everyone |
| 14:51.06 | hacfi | what a great day..Iâm excited :) |
| 14:52.03 | hacfi | does anyone know if the AWS AMI images will be ready today as well? would like to prepare the upgrade for my cluster |
| 14:52.03 | swift110-phone | Cool |
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| 14:52.24 | Posterdati | is it out? |
| 14:52.39 | vivia | Posterdati: not according to the topic |
| 14:53.09 | Posterdati | is it out? |
| 14:53.14 | Posterdati | :) lol |
| 14:53.36 | blackflow | It is. |
| 14:53.41 | kivutar | SynrG, I was finally able to downgrade like this: apt-get install php5=5.3.3-7+squeeze19 for all my php packages |
| 14:54.07 | kivutar | so drupal6 and drupal7 are working like on my other server on squeeze now |
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| 15:01.14 | hacfi | have a look at https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DebianCD/ReleaseTesting/Jessie .. you can download it but read the notice "after the links" |
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| 15:16.21 | l0xas | How to upgrade from 7.8 to Jessie please? |
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| 15:17.34 | cantoma | hey guys, I have a notebook with jessie that is giving many "general protection ip" segmentation faults. This happens to many applications, including: chrome and OptimizingCompi. I then googled for the error and many posts claim that could be a RAM problem. For this they recommend memtest, so I gave it a go but it hangs once I press memtest on the boot. Not sure what do to next, any advice? |
| 15:17.34 | vivia | l0xas: open /etc/apt/sources.list and change all wheezy to jessie, apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 15:17.35 | paradigm | from past experience, I'd guess you should change your "/etc/apt/sources.list" to point to the new release then `apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade` |
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| 15:17.52 | vivia | high-fives paradigm |
| 15:17.57 | paradigm | go team :) |
| 15:17.57 | l0xas | Vivia thanks |
| 15:19.05 | l0xas | paradigm: thanks |
| 15:19.10 | paradigm | happy to help |
| 15:19.33 | themill | Reading the release notes is an even better idea |
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| 15:20.55 | l0xas | Where i find it? |
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| 15:22.40 | themill | !release notes |
| 15:22.40 | dpkg | Release notes for Debian 8 "Jessie" are at http://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/releasenotes . See also <wheezy->jessie>, <jessie install guide> |
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| 15:25.46 | ompaul | cantoma: replace ram or remove some ram if you can and check the box |
| 15:26.04 | ompaul | cantoma: usually hardware faults don't get fixed by software |
| 15:26.16 | cantoma | ompaul, but i am still not totally sure that is ram |
| 15:26.19 | Posterdati | is it out? |
| 15:26.58 | ompaul | cantoma: you can't do a memtest ... and the box falls over when you try ... something is wrong with the fundamentals |
| 15:27.08 | ompaul | Posterdati: have you checked the topic? |
| 15:27.18 | teraflop | Posterdati: please .... |
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| 15:27.39 | cantoma | ompaul, yes that is true, its something ugly happening here |
| 15:27.52 | Posterdati | ompaul: releasing today... to impatient |
| 15:28.19 | ompaul | Posterdati: it's hardly shiny, install stable base run tasksel and install desktop as required |
| 15:28.28 | ompaul | checks his sanity at the door |
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| 15:28.43 | cantoma | ompaul, but as a said, it would it nice if I could perform some test that tells me .. your RAM is dead, go and buy other. |
| 15:28.44 | teraflop | heh tab incident |
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| 15:28.54 | cockroach | hi! i'm trying to install grub2 on a jessie machine but i keep getting "double free or corruption" errors from grub-install. |
| 15:29.08 | cockroach | any idea what i might be doing wrong? |
| 15:29.33 | ompaul | cantoma: you ran memtest - it failed - go visit someone who does this for a living and have them charge you for the same advice ;-) |
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| 15:29.50 | cantoma | ompaul, but it didn't start |
| 15:30.14 | cantoma | i pressed the memtest during boot and then using a live CD and boot just hang |
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| 15:31.09 | cantoma | ompaul, could be something related to the UFI boot restriction |
| 15:31.20 | ompaul | cantoma: however it had installed? |
| 15:31.29 | cantoma | ?? |
| 15:31.42 | cantoma | could not understand your sentence |
| 15:32.02 | ompaul | cantoma: you said you were running it and it died - ergo you had a system that crashed - you tried to run a memtest and it died |
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| 15:32.13 | ompaul | if this was all from live media make your media again |
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| 15:32.28 | ompaul | if not then you visit the shop of fixing pcs and ask them |
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| 15:33.15 | cantoma | ompaul, first I did an apt-get install memtest and it hangs when i pressed it during boot. Then I placed a live CD from ubuntu 14 and pressed memtest and got again the same result. |
| 15:33.43 | ompaul | cantoma: how many ways can memtest fail for you |
| 15:33.54 | ompaul | as many as there are from boot to fail time |
| 15:34.00 | cantoma | ompaul, it is not that it failed. it didn't start. |
| 15:34.17 | ompaul | cantoma: you have debian installed? |
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| 15:34.30 | cantoma | ompaul, yes jessie |
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| 15:35.04 | ompaul | cantoma: before the computer starts enter the boot screen hit the appropriate menu entry and choose memtest |
| 15:35.21 | ompaul | cantoma: all instructions are on that screen |
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| 15:35.31 | cantoma | ompaul, when i pressed memtest it just hangs |
| 15:35.36 | cantoma | ompaul, nothing happens |
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| 15:35.50 | ompaul | cantoma: so it fails memtest |
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| 15:36.06 | cantoma | ompaul, it fails to run memtest, yes. |
| 15:36.15 | ompaul | can it's binary it passes or fails no in between |
| 15:36.34 | ompaul | cantoma: it's binary it passes or fails no in between |
| 15:36.42 | cantoma | ompaul, i pressed then it cleans the screen, i just see debian 8 logo, and nothing more. |
| 15:37.01 | ompaul | and press esc |
| 15:37.09 | cantoma | ompaul, tried all keys |
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| 15:37.21 | cockroach | hmm, using grub-legacy it works. i suppose something's broken with grub2 in jessie... |
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| 15:37.41 | cantoma | ompaul, i had to reboot manually |
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| 15:37.52 | cantoma | pressing the power bottom for a while |
| 15:37.52 | ompaul | cantoma: I have said all I can on that issue |
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| 15:38.10 | cantoma | thanks :) |
| 15:38.27 | cantoma | i understand that it is 90% probability a memory problem |
| 15:38.51 | cantoma | but before i order some memory i just want to be sure it is not something that jessie |
| 15:39.08 | cantoma | is doing wrong as cockroach said |
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| 15:39.49 | ompaul | it failed with more than one operating system |
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| 15:39.53 | ompaul | game set match |
| 15:40.01 | ompaul | I win, claim the cup and head home |
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| 15:40.56 | cantoma | ompaul, OK. I just wanted to remove anything related to EFI signed stuff |
| 15:41.12 | cantoma | could that be preventing memtest from running |
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| 15:41.34 | ompaul | cantoma: it ran before, it doesn't run now, explain what the other choice is |
| 15:41.35 | cantoma | i remember that due to UFI stuff it took me many hours to be able to install debian jessie |
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| 15:41.52 | cantoma | ompaul, i never run it before |
| 15:42.11 | ompaul | you said it seg faulted that means that you installed and ran your jessie |
| 15:42.11 | cantoma | ompaul, i even did an apt-get install memtest |
| 15:42.26 | ompaul | you said it did the same with ubuntu live cd |
| 15:42.28 | ompaul | game over |
| 15:43.05 | cantoma | so we can overall all UFI related issues |
| 15:44.37 | ompaul | cantoma: go find an online document that describes what you did and how you did it and defines the problem as something other than ram and I'll be very surprised |
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| 15:45.27 | ompaul | cantoma: try apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade and see what happens and keep doing it - then install some massive program |
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| 15:45.43 | ompaul | or run gimp which takes up lots of ram |
| 15:45.54 | ompaul | challenge the box and then convince yourself it is something else |
| 15:46.19 | cantoma | ompaul, i am just trying to be sure that it is not something corrupted in a kernel driver and it is definitely an hardware issue |
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| 15:46.53 | ompaul | cantoma: to do that you need to do a clean reinstall of a couple of distros back to back and see if you get the same effects |
| 15:46.58 | cantoma | ompaul, worst case scenario. I order the RAM and replace it, and the problem is still there. |
| 15:47.25 | ompaul | and turn off that rubbish uefi stuff |
| 15:47.35 | tremon | cantoma: run live discs, much easier than multiple installs |
| 15:47.36 | ompaul | it's a mess and in some cases broken |
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| 15:47.55 | cantoma | ompaul, i know, but its hard-coded in this notebook, |
| 15:47.57 | ompaul | tremon: already the condition occurred with one live disk |
| 15:48.16 | ompaul | cantoma: if it is x86 you have to be able to turn it off |
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| 15:48.52 | ompaul | cantoma: try multiple live disks and have fun recording the error messages and researching them in google |
| 15:48.57 | cantoma | ompaul, that I remember 6 month ago was that to install debian on this notebook was a big pain because of the eufi |
| 15:50.04 | cantoma | ompaul, ok that is a good advice. I will download a more updated live cd and to this again. |
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| 15:51.36 | cantoma | ompaul, if I go ahead with the memory purchase i still need to find which memory goes in this notebook |
| 15:51.41 | cantoma | another movie :S |
| 15:52.22 | defarge | cantoma: if your system actually boots there's a package called memtester as well, you could also download memtest86 onto a usb and boot from that |
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| 15:52.50 | cantoma | defarge, thanks :) |
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| 15:53.56 | dimitry7 | Hi guys, has IPtables changed a lot from Debian Wheezy to Jessie ? |
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| 15:54.09 | cantoma | so guys i have a list of things to try before ordering RAM. 1) try to turn off uefi, 2) get a more updated live cd, 3) try a usb to boot, 4) check memtester |
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| 15:59.58 | Eryn_1983_FL | ahhhhh jsssie is released??? |
| 16:00.02 | Eryn_1983_FL | wtf |
| 16:00.10 | ompaul | Eryn_1983_FL: read your topic and ours too |
| 16:00.23 | Eryn_1983_FL | you guys are too good. |
| 16:00.42 | Eryn_1983_FL | i just got use to wheezy |
| 16:00.53 | Eryn_1983_FL | good job |
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| 16:01.52 | gp5st | Happy Birthday Jessie! Congrats guys! |
| 16:02.03 | cantoma | defarge, ompaul, memtester is running. At least something runs :) |
| 16:02.54 | cantoma | loool i did't knew that jessie was being upgraded to stable today |
| 16:03.23 | gp5st | I assumed that's what /topic meant? |
| 16:03.26 | cantoma | got to move to stretch then |
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| 16:04.41 | gp5st | I _never_ get the names right :-\ |
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| 16:06.47 | ompaul | cantoma: why? |
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| 16:07.33 | cantoma | ompaul, i tend to always install testing releases |
| 16:07.47 | cantoma | ompaul, because my hardware is new |
| 16:07.55 | cantoma | or tends to be new |
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| 16:08.18 | ompaul | !sns |
| 16:08.18 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 16:08.21 | gp5st | I thought testing was always sid |
| 16:08.28 | dimitry7 | Eryn_1983_FL, where's the official news of Jessie Release? |
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| 16:09.06 | ompaul | stable <-- testing <-- sid (<-- maybe some stuff from experimental but more stuff dies there than I care to think about) |
| 16:09.33 | cantoma | ompaul, ohh maybe a should go for sid :P |
| 16:09.54 | gp5st | !ssb |
| 16:09.54 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 16:10.32 | gp5st | le sigh, I don't know what ssb means (outside of radio's single side band) :( |
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| 16:11.24 | gp5st | also, first time I ever used le sigh, and I didn't like how it felt |
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| 16:12.28 | ompaul | !sid |
| 16:12.28 | dpkg | it has been said that sid is the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!! |
| 16:12.28 | ompaul | ! sid |
| 16:12.28 | ompaul | gives up |
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| 16:13.02 | cantoma | ompaul, defarge memtester is passing the tests. I first run it for 512, then for 1024 and now is running for 2048. |
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| 16:13.53 | Eryn_1983_FL | sight no release parties in usa |
| 16:13.59 | Eryn_1983_FL | this sucks |
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| 16:15.50 | cantoma | ompaul, nice story from sid :) |
| 16:16.14 | cantoma | i guess all the names have a meaning |
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| 16:16.45 | cantoma | ompaul, what happens when they run out of toy story names? |
| 16:17.09 | sydney_untangle | cantoma: Then they find a new movie. :P |
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| 16:17.52 | cantoma | sydney_untangle, like nemo or something |
| 16:17.52 | gp5st | idk, there's a lot of cast in the 3 movies |
| 16:17.57 | gp5st | and at the rate debian releases... |
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| 16:27.01 | adeb42new | When is Jessie going to be released? |
| 16:27.04 | adeb42new | FREE JESSIE |
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| 16:27.09 | adeb42new | FREE JESSIE |
| 16:27.23 | centrx | Today |
| 16:27.31 | ompaul | looks at the topic |
| 16:27.37 | adeb42new | :-) |
| 16:27.38 | ompaul | it's a process |
| 16:27.38 | neglesaks | Oh snap. |
| 16:27.40 | ompaul | it takes time |
| 16:27.50 | ompaul | neglesaks: you take the cards :) |
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| 16:28.54 | adeb42new | mmmm JESSIE |
| 16:28.55 | gp5st | "men, women, bots, (others?) we must revolt against the oppressors holding our dear cowgirl captive! We must cross their moat and storm their ramparts. #FREEJESSIE #YEHAW" |
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| 16:29.10 | hacfi | does anyone know if the AWS AMI images will be updated today as well? |
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| 16:34.59 | garn32 | does anyone know what time jessie will offically be rolled over to stable? |
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| 16:35.31 | StaticLNX | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/.jessie_release/ FREEDOM!!!!!! |
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| 16:35.41 | hacfi | garn32: I donât think anyone knows..but download it here http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/.jessie_release/debian-cd/ |
| 16:35.50 | hacfi | itâs being tested at the moment |
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| 16:36.14 | garn32 | thanks |
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| 16:36.47 | converge | Im trying to install debian on a mac, but after set the partitions, it says "attempt to mount file system vfat in SCSI(0,0,0) partition #1 (sda) at /boot/efi failed", anyone knows whats wrong ? |
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| 16:37.33 | hacfi | converge: in a virtual machine or directly on the mac? |
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| 16:37.58 | converge | hacfi: directly on the mac |
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| 16:38.22 | hacfi | converge: Iâd partion your hd before installing |
| 16:38.54 | hacfi | converge: maybe http://askubuntu.com/questions/270098/problem-installing-12-04-in-efi-mode helps |
| 16:39.10 | converge | hacfi: I did, nice, ill check |
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| 16:41.58 | converge | hacfi: unfortunately that doesnt help, I still cant install debian in the disk |
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| 16:42.42 | hacfi | converge: no idea..sorry - Iâm installing it on a vm on OS X..havenât installed it directly in a while bc of retina display |
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| 16:46.12 | adeb42new | #FREEJESSIE |
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| 16:46.41 | ompaul | converge: if it is a uefi problem you have to go into the computer bios / uefi system and disable win 8 only stuff - also while you are there remove uefi you may have to do these things in separate reboots |
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| 16:46.48 | ompaul | converge: then enjoy it |
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| 16:47.14 | converge | ompaul: its a mac.. |
| 16:47.28 | ompaul | converge: no idea |
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| 16:48.16 | StaticLNX | #FREEJESSIE ie releases today: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/.jessie_release/ |
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| 16:48.21 | hacfi | converge: amd64 version? |
| 16:48.40 | converge | hacfi: yes |
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| 16:49.37 | hacfi | converge: maybe you find more info at the debian mac mailing list at https://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-mactel-devel/Week-of-Mon-20150420/thread.html |
| 16:49.44 | converge | tried to mount it manualy with mount -t vfat, but didnt work |
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| 16:49.56 | converge | hacfi: thanks |
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| 17:00.50 | superfast | wow so jessie is releasing today? |
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| 17:01.05 | TheNumb | superfast: probably |
| 17:01.09 | hacfi | superfast: yep..shouldnât be too long until itâs official |
| 17:01.16 | superfast | Awesome |
| 17:01.24 | superfast | I would download a copy and try |
| 17:01.26 | superfast | Live CD |
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| 17:02.15 | hacfi | superfast: not official yet but you can get it at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/.jessie_release/ |
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| 17:02.32 | hacfi | but make sure to check later if these are really final |
| 17:02.35 | somiaj | superfast: you can also upgrade a wheezy system and be running jessie. /msg dpkg wheezy->jessie |
| 17:02.49 | superfast | which one is the live CD? |
| 17:03.06 | hacfi | superfast: you probably want amd64, right? |
| 17:03.14 | gp5st | I found that after downloading the torrents from there I got over my snss and will wait until 8.1 :-p |
| 17:03.15 | superfast | amd64 Gnome Default |
| 17:03.24 | superfast | it has 3.14 right? |
| 17:03.31 | hacfi | not sure if there is a live cd..I always use netinstall |
| 17:03.41 | hacfi | 3.16 |
| 17:03.48 | superfast | I need a Live CD only |
| 17:03.55 | superfast | Ah, ya 3.16 |
| 17:04.01 | superfast | I am waiting to use Debian Main only |
| 17:04.15 | hacfi | I donât know which one provides live cd |
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| 17:05.01 | APLU | no-one from the above link provide Live CD only => info here: https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DebianCD/ReleaseTesting/Jessie |
| 17:05.20 | superfast | https://www.debian.org/CD/live/ |
| 17:05.22 | hacfi | APLU: thanks for the info |
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| 17:06.11 | superfast | live-free is broken link |
| 17:06.17 | superfast | live CD is not ready yet |
| 17:06.18 | hacfi | superfast: itâs not ready yet |
| 17:06.32 | superfast | ok then I will wait |
| 17:06.38 | superfast | and download a live CD only |
| 17:06.44 | hacfi | yeah..Iâm waiting for the AWS AMI image |
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| 17:07.03 | superfast | Debian 8 looks good in the videos |
| 17:07.04 | hacfi | I have it running in a VM but not much to do besides testing my install scripts |
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| 17:07.33 | gp5st | http://images.linoxide.com/systemd-vs-sysVinit-cheatsheet-A4.pdf wait, what? you have to use systemd to shutdown/reboot and get the hostname? |
| 17:07.34 | TacoGS | When does it convert or has it already? |
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| 17:08.27 | stanley | gp5st: all commands are the same |
| 17:08.35 | stanley | on jessie systems i haven't noticeda thing. |
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| 17:09.04 | somiaj | gp5st: shutdown, halt, restart, pm-suspend, all work just fine. Not sure why it is saying you have to issue them with systemctl |
| 17:09.23 | gp5st | I guess I'm more concerned that I didn't know systemd now controlled power and networking too :-\ |
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| 17:09.37 | veritasemunah | i need help getting google-chrome to install, "dpkg -i google-chrome-stable_current_i386.deb", i get error "Package gconf-service is not installed." |
| 17:09.48 | stanley | sudo apt-get -f install |
| 17:09.55 | somiaj | gp5st: well systemd does have a networkd that can be usd. By default debian still uses the /etc/network/interfaces file and you have to manually enable networkd to be used if you want it. |
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| 17:10.00 | hacfi | gp5st: I just tried and reboot works fine on jessie |
| 17:10.01 | superfast | would it support i3-4130 graphics Intel 4400 HD out of the box |
| 17:10.11 | veritasemunah | stanley, when i do that linux instead of fixing the dependencies uninstalls goog-chrome-stable |
| 17:10.12 | gp5st | stanley: somiaj: thanks. that may be for non-debian box? It wasn't specified when I saw it |
| 17:10.14 | somiaj | veritasemunah: run apt-get -f install now |
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| 17:10.16 | stanley | superfast: yes |
| 17:10.24 | gp5st | hacfi: lier! you're still connected! :) |
| 17:10.26 | somiaj | veritasemunah: it sould pull in the missing dependencies you didn't ahve at the time fo trying to install that deb |
| 17:10.28 | stanley | gp5st: possibly, though I had the same experience on Arch Linux! all fine |
| 17:10.42 | stanley | veritasemunah: that shouldn't happen? |
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| 17:10.47 | hacfi | gp5st: vm :) |
| 17:11.06 | somiaj | stanley: when installing a .deb with dpkg -i, there is nothing to go install any missing debs because he wasn't using apt. |
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| 17:11.30 | superfast | stanley, I have noticed an increased performance in Debian when I compare it with other Free/Libre OS, does Debian patch the kernel more? I mean I know its Fully Free from blobs yet it works better if you compare |
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| 17:12.12 | cantoma | defarge, BREAKING NEWS, I just boot to an older kernel and all issues went away. |
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| 17:12.19 | nullbyte_ | 8.0 release for download? when |
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| 17:12.30 | nullbyte_ | is nto been released today |
| 17:12.36 | teraflop | !when |
| 17:12.36 | dpkg | Now! |
| 17:12.37 | nullbyte_ | or... ? |
| 17:12.41 | veritasemunah | somiaj: when i run "apt-get -f install" it says "The following packages will be removed: google-chrome-stable" |
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| 17:13.42 | somiaj | veritasemunah: that means the dependecies cannot be satsified on your system. What version of debian are you running? |
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| 17:13.59 | veritasemunah | somiaj: how do i check? |
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| 17:14.01 | somiaj | veritasemunah: do you ahve internet sources |
| 17:14.10 | somiaj | veritasemunah: put the output of 'apt-cache policy' at paste.debian.net for me |
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| 17:15.51 | veritasemunah | somiaj: http://pastebin.com/2HK2bwda |
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| 17:16.51 | somiaj | veritasemunah: most likely googles packages aren't compadable with squeeze. Since you are using oldoldstable and don't have any squeeze-lts sources you are running an unsupported/insecure system |
| 17:17.17 | somiaj | veritasemunah: I doubt you can get google-chrome to install in squeeze, and squeeze-lts has no security support for browsers (only server side stuff) |
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| 17:17.27 | somiaj | veritasemunah: I would suggest upgrading to at least wheezy (/msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy) |
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| 17:21.19 | veritasemunah | maybe there is a chrome tarball that includes everything in it |
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| 17:24.48 | somiaj | veritasemunah: you could try to compile it. Note squeeze does have an outdated version of chromium you can install. But google's package is not designed to install in squeeze. And I would not suggest using squeezes as a desktop system with a browser. Also if you are goint to stickw ith squeeze at least add squeeze-lts sources and realize only server side stuff is getting security support. There is no security support for the desktop stuff. |
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| 17:40.36 | php101uk | Can anyone help with this? http://serverfault.com/questions/685575/route-traffic-for-specific-ip-range-through-specific-network-interface |
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| 17:46.29 | starbuck | hi guys, when will jessie be available through the official debian.org site? |
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| 17:48.17 | Seifur | Once all the images are done being made and tested I imagine. |
| 17:48.41 | babilen | That is exactly the case |
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| 17:49.49 | starbuck | can't wait... |
| 17:49.58 | defarge | cantoma: that's good news, kind of. at least you don't have to buy new hardware now |
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| 17:51.30 | cantoma | defarge, i could not reproduce at all any of the segfaults |
| 17:51.46 | cantoma | defarge, before it was happening every min |
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| 17:53.09 | defarge | now you just have to figure out why newer kernels don't like you |
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| 17:56.13 | cantoma | defarge, well I do apt-get update; upgrade often and that means that I have seen many new kernels coming in and out. This is the first time it happens. |
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| 17:58.11 | derlabersack | hey |
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| 17:58.24 | derlabersack | whe n does jessie relaeased? |
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| 17:58.43 | NetCho-mob | https://www.dropbox.com/s/qeq9gjpjov46hn2/2015-04-25%2019.40.44.jpg?dl=0 |
| 17:59.00 | adeb42new | #FREEJESSIE |
| 17:59.12 | derlabersack | do you use it on desktop |
| 17:59.14 | derlabersack | or only on srever? |
| 18:00.09 | NetCho-mob | Both :) |
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| 18:00.45 | derlabersack | Cool but when its ready?! |
| 18:00.49 | derlabersack | wait for it oh shit |
| 18:00.49 | babilen | today |
| 18:00.53 | derlabersack | REALLY? |
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| 18:01.19 | NetCho-mob | DRP here :) |
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| 18:01.28 | babilen | dpkg: wwjr |
| 18:01.29 | dpkg | Debian 8 "Jessie" release is in progress 2015-04-25. You can follow progress at: https://identi.ca/debian or ask me about <releasingjessie>. Nobody knows what time; it will be done when all the work is done. Ask me about <wheezy->jessie>. |
| 18:01.43 | derlabersack | <releasingjessie> |
| 18:01.49 | derlabersack | !releasingjessie |
| 18:01.49 | dpkg | The Debian CD build server has built the amd64 images and they are in place for testing. |
| 18:02.04 | derlabersack | !wheezy->jessie |
| 18:02.14 | Seifur | Do it via /msg |
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| 18:02.56 | shay_shay | yay |
| 18:03.01 | SimonSapin | Hi. When following https://www.debian.org/releases/testing/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html , "apt-get dist-upgrade" wants to install many new packages, including libgtk2.0-0. This is a server, Iâd rather not have GTK on it. How can I find out which package is responsible? |
| 18:03.20 | shay_shay | question... do we get live isos? or just D-i |
| 18:03.20 | derlabersack | IT COMES TODAY |
| 18:03.22 | derlabersack | GREEEEEAT! |
| 18:03.54 | babilen | derlabersack: You might prefer to head over to #debian-offtopic |
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| 18:05.11 | babilen | SimonSapin: You can run "aptitude -D full-upgrade" and it should tell you |
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| 18:05.38 | babilen | (but note that they use a different dependency resolution system, so package sets and actions might differ) |
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| 18:05.58 | martinjungblut | Jessie! |
| 18:06.01 | derlabersack | babilen: thanxxx |
| 18:06.04 | SimonSapin | nice, thanks babilen |
| 18:06.05 | derlabersack | martinjungblut: JESSIE!!!!!!!! ITS OUT! |
| 18:06.16 | martinjungblut | I am really glad it's finally arrived |
| 18:06.24 | sydney_untangle | Ok, ok. o_O |
| 18:06.33 | shay_shay | :O |
| 18:06.34 | derlabersack | yes me too |
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| 18:06.50 | derlabersack | it just came out |
| 18:07.25 | martinjungblut | Yes! I had no idea, until someone mentioned it in #emacs |
| 18:07.34 | dysoco | I haven't used Debian since Squeez, I should give it a go |
| 18:07.44 | martinjungblut | What do you run? |
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| 18:08.06 | dysoco | Arch and Ubuntu mostly |
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| 18:08.52 | shay_shay | hey guys let's go over to #debian-offtopic for chitchat |
| 18:09.05 | Roberth1990 | squeeze has only about one year left of support |
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| 18:09.19 | newbie4now | is jessie released today? |
| 18:09.42 | martinjungblut | Yes |
| 18:09.57 | Seifur | dpkg: wwjr |
| 18:09.58 | dpkg | Debian 8 "Jessie" release is in progress 2015-04-25. You can follow progress at: https://identi.ca/debian or ask me about <releasingjessie>. Nobody knows what time; it will be done when all the work is done. Ask me about <wheezy->jessie>. |
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| 18:12.13 | StaticLNX | Does Jessie support UEFI? I seem to remember reading something about that... |
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| 18:12.24 | babilen | It does |
| 18:12.46 | StaticLNX | ok |
| 18:12.51 | martinjungblut | Wheezy did already |
| 18:13.02 | martinjungblut | Jessie does as well |
| 18:13.07 | Roberth1990 | and jessie improves the support |
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| 18:16.11 | StaticLNX | So http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/.jessie_release/debian-cd/amd64/iso-dvd/ is not the final release of Jessie? |
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| 18:17.05 | martinjungblut | It is |
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| 18:17.26 | martinjungblut | There will be more dvds though |
| 18:17.49 | martinjungblut | It is being uploaded /mirrored |
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| 18:18.05 | StaticLNX | k |
| 18:18.16 | StaticLNX | :D |
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| 18:20.58 | martinjungblut | Good bye people |
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| 18:26.48 | jhutchins | StaticLNX: EFI has been supported for about ten years now. |
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| 18:27.04 | jhutchins | StaticLNX: At least. It just takes a little more work to install. |
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| 18:50.53 | tty0_ | Just noticed that debian is using Marvell MV78460 ( Marvell Armada XP). Is it possible to run this boards with free software only (including firmware)? |
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| 18:51.05 | tty0_ | I refer to: https://www.debian.org/News/2015/20150108 |
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| 18:52.03 | Drzacek | hi |
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| 18:53.07 | rindolf | Drzacek: hi. |
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| 18:54.00 | Drzacek | just wanted to say I finally managed to get audio running on my debian server (with no gui). Had to set mixer On for master AND PCM. |
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| 19:03.49 | hacfi | Iâm like http://i.imgur.com/NWq5WIq.gif waiting for the AWS AMI |
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| 19:04.19 | blackflow | hacfi: like a corgi on cocaine? |
| 19:04.41 | hacfi | yeah |
| 19:04.49 | hacfi | refreshing the browser every 5 sec |
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| 19:07.57 | jerigondor | will be updated testing with sid packages, when jessie becomes stable? |
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| 19:09.59 | Roberth1990 | jerigondor: yes and it will be a mess initially |
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| 19:12.13 | hexhaxtron | Is there a chess program that teaches everything? Like movements, strategies, openings... |
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| 19:14.31 | Hooola | Hi. Is there an extra Debian Server image? |
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| 19:15.13 | Roberth1990 | Hooola: what do you mean? |
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| 19:15.57 | Hooola | Roberth1990: I know it form Ubuntu that there are two different images. One for desktop and one for server |
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| 19:16.31 | anddam | Hooola: IIRC that basically doesn't host GNOME packages on the disc and you have more "other" packages |
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| 19:16.52 | anddam | Hooola: you can achieve the same by not installing a DE, I usually use netinstall |
| 19:16.55 | Roberth1990 | Hooola: on debian you can use the netinst image and choose to only have base system installed |
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| 19:17.22 | anddam | I think even the default (GNOME) Debian disk can avoid installing a DE at the tasksel step |
| 19:17.30 | anddam | is that correct? |
| 19:17.51 | Hooola | So I have to chose the default image? |
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| 19:19.04 | Drzacek | Use netinstall, I used that - you can allways get all needed packages from online repo |
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| 19:19.46 | Roberth1990 | and you get the latest packages available during install |
| 19:20.06 | a5i | Hi |
| 19:20.12 | adeb42new | #FREEJESSIE |
| 19:20.20 | adeb42new | I can't wait |
| 19:20.24 | a5i | will 0 12 * * * /root/twit/exec execute ./exec in that dir everyday at 12 pm ? |
| 19:20.25 | adeb42new | I want JESSIE NOW |
| 19:20.36 | Roberth1990 | adeb42new: then download it |
| 19:20.43 | hacfi | go get it tiger :) |
| 19:20.44 | adeb42new | :-) |
| 19:21.04 | a5i | "0 12 * * * /root/twit/exec" |
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| 19:22.05 | avshalom | if i install wheezy, do i get a free upgrade to jessie when it is released? |
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| 19:22.13 | avshalom | ducks |
| 19:22.25 | naptastic | roflcopter |
| 19:22.31 | Seifur | There's a $99.99 upgrade fee. |
| 19:22.54 | Roberth1990 | !offtopic |
| 19:22.54 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 19:22.59 | mattgyver | I have a few systems that have been tracking testing for a while and actually have testing specified in the sources file, is it safe for me to switch this over to jessie? |
| 19:23.18 | Roberth1990 | mattgyver: it should have been on jessie all the time |
| 19:23.23 | hacfi | superfast is gone, right? live cd seems to be out |
| 19:23.29 | a5i | can anyone help me with my crontab issue :/ |
| 19:23.35 | mattgyver | Roberth1990, yup unfortunately at the time I set these up I was unaware of that |
| 19:23.46 | Roberth1990 | mattgyver: well change it to jessie at once |
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| 19:24.07 | Roberth1990 | mattgyver: when jessie is released testing will become a mess temporarily |
| 19:24.14 | Hooola | Another question: Is there a difference in how fast Debian offers updates/patches compared with Ubuntu? |
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| 19:24.45 | mattgyver | Roberth1990, thanks thats exactly why I wanted to get this in line it seemed to be the most opportune time, thanks for the feedback |
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| 19:26.03 | Drzacek | a5i: I believe it would be something like 0 12 * * * your_command_to_execute |
| 19:26.18 | Drzacek | but I might be wrong |
| 19:26.26 | a5i | Im not sure either :/ |
| 19:26.35 | naptastic | minute 0 of hour 12, every day ^^^ |
| 19:26.44 | StaticLNX | Roberth1990, isnt Jessie already released? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/.jessie_release/debian-cd/amd64/iso-dvd/ |
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| 19:27.13 | naptastic | a5i, so to answer your question directly, yes, it will do just what you thought. :) |
| 19:27.13 | NiTeMaRe | 8 is supposed to be released today right? |
| 19:27.13 | a5i | naptastic so 12:00 pm everyday ? |
| 19:27.22 | naptastic | a5i, yep |
| 19:27.26 | a5i | but I dont think it did :/ |
| 19:27.39 | StaticLNX | NiTeMaRe, yup |
| 19:27.40 | a5i | I cant even see a cron log |
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| 19:27.49 | NiTeMaRe | good to hear |
| 19:27.57 | naptastic | a5i, It's quite possible that the environment set up by cron is insufficient to run that application. |
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| 19:28.16 | NiTeMaRe | another version of openbsd is supposed to be released later this month or early next month as well |
| 19:28.16 | naptastic | I don't know how cron logging works, but you can set it to send you an email (if your host can send email). |
| 19:28.16 | Drzacek | a5i: could it be because of the command part being wrong? |
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| 19:28.37 | a5i | I dont think I need a command to run it |
| 19:28.41 | Roberth1990 | NiTeMaRe: offtopic goes in #debian-offtopic |
| 19:28.46 | avshalom | NiTeMaRe: yeah, May 1. Exicting couple of days, what with both jessie and 5.7 |
| 19:28.55 | Roberth1990 | !offtopic |
| 19:28.55 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 19:28.55 | a5i | if I'm in that dir "/root/twit" I can just do "./exec to run it |
| 19:29.43 | Drzacek | About debian.org website - I find it annoying, that it chooses language version for me based on location/system locale preferences, and doesn't give me ability to change it, even when I explicitly googled for german or english version |
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| 19:30.24 | avshalom | Hooola: i suspect ubuntu gets is updates from some debian testing/security update, so i would think debian is marginally faster. probably nearly identical for critical bugs |
| 19:30.33 | a5i | it's an executable/compiled program |
| 19:30.45 | Roberth1990 | Drzacek: you can choose language in the bottom of the page |
| 19:31.05 | Roberth1990 | Drzacek: in chrome at least you can tell it to tell pages to you want english web pages |
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| 19:31.45 | Drzacek | Roberth1990: how could I not seen it earlier? Maybe I'm used that language-buttons are in top-right corner, but thanks |
| 19:32.02 | Hooola | avshalom: Thanks. I am consindering to switch to Debian. Are there differences between Debian and Debian LXDE concerning installed software by default? |
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| 19:32.29 | avshalom | Hooola: i think only in the particulars of the desktop software |
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| 19:33.13 | Drzacek | Roberth1990: about chrome setting - I usually want pages to be in my native language, but I find most of the software/IT related pages to be awfully translated so I preffer english |
| 19:33.15 | avshalom | Hooola: jessie (when released) will be GNOME by default, so there will be a raft of GNOME software instead of the minimal LXDE |
| 19:33.27 | alusion | weres the new install? |
| 19:34.08 | Roberth1990 | Drzacek: well the setting applies to pages with different languages |
| 19:34.17 | Hooola | avshalom: Is there an extra image for Debian LXDE or have I install Debian (with GNOME) and then install LXDE? |
| 19:34.51 | Drzacek | Roberth1990: For now it's enough I have a way to change debian page to en |
| 19:35.13 | avshalom | Hooola: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianDesktopHowTo#Select_a_Desktop_Environment |
| 19:35.39 | jhutchins | Hooola: You can install Debian without a DE then add lxde. not sure if there's an lxde install option. |
| 19:35.59 | a5i | does anyone else see whats wrong with my crontab line ? |
| 19:36.15 | Hooola | avshalom: Cool. Thanks for your help. |
| 19:36.16 | isthisreallife | how to install postgres 9.4 on debian wheezy? apt-get install postgresql postgresql-contrib installs old version |
| 19:36.22 | isthisreallife | or at least 9.3 |
| 19:36.56 | mikehgentry | a5i: have you tried using the full path for exec? |
| 19:36.57 | AstroDroid | lxde is an install option |
| 19:37.20 | Roberth1990 | isthisreallife: I dont think anything newer is available in wheezy |
| 19:37.23 | ctmjr | the new installer for jessie has changed you choose the DE in tasksel unless it changed since rc3 |
| 19:37.23 | a5i | mikehgentry: I am? /root/twit/exec |
| 19:37.27 | Roberth1990 | isthisreallife: check backports |
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| 19:37.51 | Roberth1990 | ctmjr: nothing major has changed since rc3 |
| 19:38.21 | mikehgentry | a5i: Ok, sorry. |
| 19:38.28 | a5i | mikehgentry: its fine! |
| 19:38.49 | jhutchins | avshalom: That's what I was looking for. |
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| 19:39.39 | avshalom | Hooola: jhutchins: yw |
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| 19:42.35 | fn | what do you guys recommend for a webserver for filtering? fail2ban? |
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| 19:43.42 | melt7777 | happy birthday jessie devs |
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| 19:44.12 | hacfi | fn: I use it, yeah |
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| 19:44.22 | fn | hacfi: with nginx? |
| 19:44.28 | hacfi | yes |
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| 19:44.46 | hacfi | I have a very high limit so it rarely kicks in but it works |
| 19:45.00 | hacfi | I mainly have it for ssh though |
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| 19:45.09 | ptomblin | Is anybody else having a problem with there being a new curl and libcurl3 deb update in stable, but it requires libc6 >= 2.17? |
| 19:45.52 | zblakany | ptomblin: probably I had this bug yesterday :-/ |
| 19:46.22 | zblakany | but I mixed stable (wheezy) with testing (jessie) in wrong way :-P |
| 19:46.40 | ptomblin | It almost looks like the curl from jessie got into stable. |
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| 19:48.02 | ptomblin | My apt.sources is all stable, no testing. |
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| 19:48.53 | zblakany | ptomblin: I suggest install libcurl4 (search exact name) and remove libcurl3 :-) |
| 19:49.04 | jelly | ptomblin: can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache show libcurl3" |
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| 19:49.17 | zblakany | otherwise try aptitude which suggest You what to do :-) |
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| 19:49.52 | jelly | ptomblin: you should not have "stable" in sources.list but "wheezy" instead |
| 19:50.05 | jelly | !bat |
| 19:50.05 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 19:50.22 | zblakany | btw: they finish preparing packages and ISOâs files? |
| 19:50.35 | zblakany | I want to upgrade to Jessie :-D |
| 19:50.48 | ptomblin | http://pastebin.com/fgt2GwMN |
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| 19:51.10 | roberth1990 | zblakany: you dont need a iso to upgrade |
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| 19:52.42 | zblakany | Roberth1990: I know :-P |
| 19:53.12 | zblakany | shit, colloquy sux :-/ |
| 19:53.17 | ZenWalker | zblakany: change the sources.list to jessie and go! |
| 19:53.57 | roberth1990 | zblakany: https://www.debian.org/releases/testing/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#upgrade-process |
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| 19:54.48 | ptomblin | Why is wheezy better than stable in sources.list? |
| 19:55.19 | avshalom | ptomblin: because when jessie becomes stable, you will upgrade |
| 19:55.35 | ptomblin | Don't I want to upgrade to the current stable? |
| 19:55.40 | gone-------- | do you? |
| 19:55.41 | avshalom | maybe |
| 19:55.50 | ptomblin | I have done in the past. |
| 19:55.54 | mokuhon | Stretch will be the next codename for testing right? Will it possible to upgrade to that soon as well? |
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| 19:56.26 | mikehgentry | Still arguably better to use the Toy Story names - then you can control when the upgrade happens. |
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| 19:56.42 | zblakany | guys I know this |
| 19:56.43 | avshalom | ptomblin: i suspect some people have production systems which they will want to stay wheezy, so they would hard-wire wheezy here |
| 19:56.57 | zblakany | I donât have enough time during day and wait for night ;-P |
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| 19:57.13 | ptomblin | Well, my problem went away when I changed to wheezy. |
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| 19:57.32 | ptomblin | So is something slightly broken in the "stable" mirror? |
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| 19:57.55 | ptomblin | I thought the FTP site just symlinked stable to the appropriate toy story name. |
| 19:58.07 | avshalom | ptomblin: maybe. you know that jessie release (the next stable) is imminent? |
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| 19:58.16 | zblakany | ptomblin: no, I wrote it earlier - use aptitude upgrade and check propositions from aptitude :-) |
| 19:58.16 | ptomblin | I didn't know that. |
| 19:58.19 | esu | is Debian 8 officially out as stable? |
| 19:58.29 | zblakany | esu: yes! |
| 19:58.31 | avshalom | ptomblin: yeah, people are on the edge of their seats. |
| 19:58.39 | ptomblin | I do use aptitude. And it suggested all sorts of holding stuff back and uninstalling other stuff. |
| 19:58.44 | gone-------- | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/.jessie_release/debian-cd/ |
| 19:58.56 | gone-------- | im installing via dvd if anyone wants the images |
| 19:58.57 | zblakany | ptomblin: and suggest You correctly :-) |
| 19:59.00 | gone-------- | they're just not posted yet |
| 19:59.06 | avshalom | esu: the website has not changed. the media may be there |
| 19:59.17 | esu | ok |
| 19:59.23 | avshalom | esu: but there's caveats, it may change |
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| 19:59.37 | esu | i'll download it when the site changes |
| 19:59.50 | beagleburt | G'day from New Zealand all! I am currently running wheezy 7.8 & I thought that there was going to be a distribution upgrade to 8.0 on the 25th April? So, I did an apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; & apt-get dist-upgrade but Nothing upgraded? I still have version 7.8! Advice please... |
| 20:00.00 | roberth1990 | zblakany: take such thing in offtopic, we take it as a problem |
| 20:00.13 | avshalom | beagleburt: it's still the 25th of April |
| 20:00.20 | avshalom | beagleburt: check website |
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| 20:00.59 | roberth1990 | beagleburt: you need to change sources, https://www.debian.org/releases/testing/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#upgrade-process |
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| 20:01.20 | roberth1990 | beagleburt: I assume you run amd64 |
| 20:01.21 | jelly | ptomblin: "stable" just switched over to "jessie". zblakany doesn't seem to have a correct view of what happened at your end, best ignore his advice |
| 20:01.23 | beagleburt | avshalom, Oh! yes! I am in NZ & it is 08:05am Sun 26th April here! |
| 20:01.43 | avshalom | beagleburt: somewhere in the british empire it's the 25th ;-) |
| 20:02.01 | jelly | ptomblin: basically you never should use "stable" or "testing" in your sources, but always a specific codename |
| 20:02.02 | avshalom | and the 26th ;-) |
| 20:02.08 | ptomblin | ok. I'll give the experts a couple of days to shake out things before I switch to jessie. |
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| 20:03.15 | beagleburt | roberth1990, I followed: https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/i386/release-notes/ap-old-stuff.en.html |
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| 20:03.55 | esu | has debian 8 drivers for broadcom wireless cards? |
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| 20:04.25 | esu | or may i use a non-free version of debian? |
| 20:04.31 | ptomblin | Note to self: when you do a global search and replace on all your Debian systems, make sure you don't have "unstable" on the one you're playing around iwth apt pinning. |
| 20:04.36 | roberth1990 | beagleburt: you need to change "stable" to "jessie" in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:05.01 | ptomblin | Accidentally had "unwheezy" in there. |
| 20:05.02 | beagleburt | ptomblin, Looks like I have jumped-the-gun! I will wait too...? |
| 20:05.10 | roberth1990 | beagleburt: and after you have run apt-get upgrade and dist-upgrade, you need to update the kernel manually |
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| 20:05.49 | roberth1990 | beagleburt: BEFORE rebooting |
| 20:06.16 | beagleburt | roberth1990, thankyou - will change from wheezy to jessie? |
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| 20:12.03 | roberth1990 | beagleburt: yes |
| 20:13.22 | beagleburt | roberth1990, Do you know a link to "How to update the kernel manually"? (I have never done this before & I am quite nervous as I wrecked things last time distribution went from version 6 to ver.7...(Stuffed up my sources.list!)? |
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| 20:14.32 | esu | have you tried aptitude? |
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| 20:14.37 | roberth1990 | beagleburt: https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#newkernel |
| 20:14.54 | esu | i dunno if you can update the kernel from there |
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| 20:15.01 | esu | but on ubuntu it works |
| 20:15.32 | beagleburt | I just reinstalled & lost all my data as I had not set up a separate home directory - thankfully, I had a couple of backups so the loss was not too great...:-) |
| 20:15.57 | beagleburt | roberth1990, ok THANKYOU! |
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| 20:22.09 | jasonmit | how do i go from jessie sid to stable? are there docs out there? |
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| 20:22.45 | roberth1990 | jasonmit: no such thing as "jessie sid" |
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| 20:23.15 | petn-randall | !tell jasonmit -about downgrade |
| 20:23.17 | jasonmit | cat /etc/debian_version > jessie/sid |
| 20:23.30 | petn-randall | jasonmit: see dpkg's message |
| 20:23.35 | jasonmit | thanks petn-randall |
| 20:23.52 | jelly | jasonmit: what does your /etc/apt/sources.list look like? |
| 20:23.56 | jelly | !paste |
| 20:23.56 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 20:24.41 | jelly | petn-randall: not enough information in there to think there's cause for downgrade |
| 20:25.15 | jasonmit | https://gist.github.com/jasonmit/73a97c80fbd71cc5ca6a |
| 20:25.23 | jasonmit | jelly ^ |
| 20:25.27 | jelly | petn-randall: that debian_version just means the user has not upgraded in a while |
| 20:25.41 | roberth1990 | jasonmit: you are running ubuntu |
| 20:25.47 | jasonmit | rofl. |
| 20:26.02 | jasonmit | i just realized that after i pasted :| (tip toes backwards) |
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| 20:26.14 | roberth1990 | jasonmit: #ubuntu if you want 15.04 |
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| 20:26.26 | jelly | jasonmit: no problem, we all make mistakes |
| 20:27.11 | jelly | actually, #ubuntu channel for all your needs |
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| 20:35.21 | Drzacek | so, I was reading your conversation, and I'm not sure if I got this right - does this magical "upgrade" happens automaticaly, or I would have to run some explicit commands to send debbie 7 downtown and get 8.0? |
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| 20:37.03 | sphenxes01 | hide, i would like to upgrade from wheezy to jessie. I have changed wheezy to jessie is source list. But I have read in the chat that I should update the kernel manually. My question: is this step a must or can I continue with the old kernel? |
| 20:37.09 | sphenxes01 | hi* |
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| 20:37.29 | somiaj | Drzacek: most likely you'll have to modify your sources.list, you should also read the release notes. |
| 20:37.57 | Drzacek | I set them to STABLE, not wheezy |
| 20:38.04 | somiaj | Drzacek: if for some reason you used 'stable' over 'wheezy' in your sources.list (usually considered bad pratice) you would automatically upgrade next time you run apt-get upgrade (well you would have to run dist-upgrade to do the full one) |
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| 20:38.33 | somiaj | Drzacek: then once the link from stable moves from wheezy to jessie, you will have access to the new packages. Note this is usually bad because if you are not prepared you could break your system |
| 20:38.43 | somiaj | Drzacek: also make sure to read the release notes about issues and things to consider when upgrading. |
| 20:38.55 | Drzacek | okaaaay. so what does it mean "prepared" |
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| 20:39.18 | somiaj | Drzacek: usually having backups, just in case, and reading the release notes. Make sure you understand the changes that will happen. |
| 20:39.20 | ctmjr | sphenxes01: when you upgrade to jessie your kernel will also upgrade |
| 20:39.32 | somiaj | only if he has the kernel meta package installed |
| 20:39.40 | somiaj | well he or she |
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| 20:40.28 | sphenxes01 | ctmjr, thanks |
| 20:40.29 | Drzacek | somiaj: hmm I better change to wheezy and wait. I just got this *thing* working, don't want to spend another few night setting everything again |
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| 20:40.57 | RainbowTiger | Hi |
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| 20:41.11 | sphenxes01 | somiaj, what is meta package or i have installed ATI driver for my graphic card |
| 20:41.16 | somiaj | Drzacek: that is safe, although the upgrade is tested, it will be tested a lot more in the next few weeks. Waiting a month or so can also get better documentation for know issues. |
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| 20:41.38 | somiaj | sphenxes01: the meta package would be linux-image-amd64 (for amd64 system). |
| 20:41.43 | RainbowTiger | I've two network interfaces, called WAN and LAN ... WAN is the first network port, but Debian labeled it as eth1 ... how can i change it to eth0 and eth0(LAN) to eth1 ? |
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| 20:41.57 | somiaj | sphenxes01: If you run gnome, the ati (fglrx) driver will not work with gnome. You should read about this in the release notes. |
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| 20:43.03 | somiaj | RainbowTiger: look at /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules -- this locks the mac address to a certain ethX |
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| 20:43.18 | sphenxes01 | somiaj, thanks |
| 20:43.25 | somiaj | RainbowTiger: you could just remove both enteries and it will repopulate that next tim you boot, or you can modify it to make the mac address of the new interface map to eth0 |
| 20:43.29 | debian1 | Hello |
| 20:43.43 | debian1 | How can i get jessy? |
| 20:43.48 | RainbowTiger | somiaj: Thanks, i'll take a look on it ;) |
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| 20:44.00 | debian1 | some people say its already released but i cant find it in the webpage |
| 20:44.12 | andril | me either |
| 20:45.03 | RainbowTiger | debian1, andril: Jessie is still in development |
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| 20:45.23 | andril | thanks RainbowTiger |
| 20:45.23 | roberth1990 | RainbowTiger: no |
| 20:45.41 | roberth1990 | andril: jessie is being released as we speak |
| 20:45.52 | roberth1990 | they just need to make all the images first |
| 20:45.57 | debian1 | RainbowTiger: Is it going to be released todaY? |
| 20:45.58 | RainbowTiger | roberth1990: no? I have a Jessie machine, and it's still "testing" :O |
| 20:46.05 | SynrG | !releasingjessie |
| 20:46.05 | dpkg | The Debian CD build server has built the amd64 images and they are in place for testing. |
| 20:46.16 | RainbowTiger | as i said ;) |
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| 20:46.19 | SynrG | RainbowTiger: it is in the process of being released. it is not being developed. |
| 20:46.24 | roberth1990 | RainbowTiger: yeah but when it enters stable, it will be the same |
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| 20:46.29 | andril | cool roberth1990 just waiting to flash my boxes |
| 20:46.30 | SynrG | saying "it's still in development" is misleading |
| 20:46.38 | roberth1990 | andril: you can do it now |
| 20:46.38 | RainbowTiger | roberth1990: true, but the packages may be stable ;) |
| 20:46.48 | roberth1990 | RainbowTiger: what? |
| 20:46.58 | debian1 | Will thwew be a sid version of Jessie? Dont know how this works |
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| 20:47.19 | RainbowTiger | debian1: "sid" isn't a "real" Debian version |
| 20:47.24 | SynrG | deego: sid is always sid. it's not a "version" of anything |
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| 20:47.33 | SynrG | sorry |
| 20:47.37 | SynrG | s/deego/debian1/ |
| 20:47.43 | dimitry7 | Hi Guys: I am using this to find the files created / modified between these dates but still can't find nothing: find . -mtime $(date +%s -d"Mar 31, 2015 23:59:59") -mtime $(date +%s -d"Apr 25, 2015 23:59:59") |
| 20:47.49 | dimitry7 | what is wrong there? |
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| 20:47.59 | debian1 | RainbowTiger: So if i get the sid version of debian right now will i be getting jessie? |
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| 20:48.06 | ptomblin | I'm worried about one of my servers because it has PostGIS on it. I know that PostGIS always breaks Ubuntu upgrades. |
| 20:48.18 | debian1 | RainbowTiger: Will i alays have the latest version of everything? |
| 20:48.19 | RainbowTiger | debian1: "sid" is for who want to test the "newest" packages and features, it may be unstable, and let's son't talk about the security and the kernel crashes etc |
| 20:48.37 | RainbowTiger | * don't |
| 20:48.42 | debian1 | RainbowTiger: So im better off with testing? |
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| 20:48.50 | roberth1990 | debian1: yes |
| 20:49.04 | roberth1990 | debian1: but dont install it now |
| 20:49.07 | RainbowTiger | debian1: If you like using "sid", i would install it in a virtual machine ... production use is not recommended |
| 20:49.20 | debian1 | I dont ant to have old packages which is what happens with staple |
| 20:49.22 | debian1 | stable# |
| 20:49.22 | Eryn_1983_FL | so.. i got a question is there a switch or something i can usse to make a dump of a txt file in like slow mode? |
| 20:49.40 | lisa_1994 | hey, i installed debian 7.8 on one of my servers and have a simple question: how do i install defoma on 7.8? some of my modules need to install ttcidfonts. Could someone please tell me how to solve the problem with these annoying warnings? Google don't give me some answers to it. |
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| 20:50.32 | somiaj | debian1: have you looked at the packges in jessie, I would suggest that and then use backports. |
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| 20:50.44 | brokencycle | dimitry7: -mtime and friends count in 24 hours periods. man find |
| 20:51.12 | debian1 | roberth1990: if i get the testing release from 7.8 will i need to get the testing version of 8 when it comes out? |
| 20:51.41 | brokencycle | You'd be hard pressed to find a file on your computer that was created 1427842799 days ago. |
| 20:51.49 | somiaj | debian1: if you upgrde to jessie right now, you will have the jessie release. Only thing that is being done is iso's are being made, and mirrors are moving links (happens last) |
| 20:51.54 | dimitry7 | brokencycle, yeah, you're right... how can I get the whole range? |
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| 20:52.09 | somiaj | debian1: there may be some security fixes that you will need from jessie/updates, but you may need them fromt he install isos too |
| 20:52.10 | brokencycle | hmm? |
| 20:52.37 | debian1 | somiaj: I dont have debian now but im planning on installing it today because 8 will be released |
| 20:52.38 | brokencycle | you specify the range with a sign: +n -> at least n |
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| 20:52.59 | debian1 | somiaj: So i should wait for 8 release right? |
| 20:53.48 | RainbowTiger | somiaj: Debian 8 "Jessie" will be released within 24hrs? |
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| 20:56.07 | somiaj | debian1: up to you, you can be running jessie right now if you upgrade a wheezy system, or you can waith for the install isos to be made. |
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| 20:56.54 | roberth1990 | debian1: dont use "testing" in your /etc/apt/sources.list, use jessie etc |
| 20:56.55 | Rory | Hello. Could someone please tell me the difference between the "gnome-desktop" and the "standard" live CD images here http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/bt-hybrid/ |
| 20:56.57 | debian1 | somiaj: How would i upgrade from wheezy to jessie? |
| 20:57.04 | somiaj | !tell debian1 about wheezy->jessie |
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| 20:57.50 | debian1 | somiaj: Thank you. |
| 20:57.53 | iWaldo_ | make-kpkg reports a revision name error, but i think everything is in order |
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| 20:58.02 | iWaldo_ | found a recent bug report about it |
| 20:58.06 | iWaldo_ | any workarounds? |
| 20:58.12 | SynrG | Rory: http://www.debian.org/CD/live explains standard is console only. no desktop |
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| 20:58.43 | debian1 | How can i get the testing version of debian? |
| 20:59.13 | Rory | I just want to install Debian. Ideally, I'll have a roughly DVD-sized images that can install without an Internet connection. Live is not needed |
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| 21:00.28 | jelly | Rory: you should probably wait a couple hours until jessie d-i images are in their place. |
| 21:00.29 | SynrG | Rory: were you wanting to install jessie today? it's still in the process of being released. |
| 21:00.51 | Rory | Oh. Never mind I'll do it tomorrow morning. Goodnight all |
| 21:01.01 | iWaldo_ | is there a resource to figure out which features are built into jessies 3.16 kernel? |
| 21:01.01 | SynrG | Rory: nor do you actually need large images. just the netinst will do |
| 21:01.06 | ZenWalker | debian1: https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 21:01.16 | RainbowTiger | SynrG: Well, all said "Debian Jessie will be *or* is released" ... i can't find any images, and the APT gives me an 404 lol |
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| 21:01.21 | Rory | SynrG: I want one to burn to a DVD to keep |
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| 21:01.58 | Rory | SynrG: My Internet is kind of slow so it's faster to download once and use the image many times |
| 21:01.59 | SynrG | Rory: which will very quickly go out of date ... but OK, if you like |
| 21:02.04 | SynrG | nods |
| 21:02.09 | debian1 | ZenWalker: Will i always get the latest version with testing? |
| 21:02.13 | somiaj | iWaldo_: on a debian system you can check /boot/config-3.16 |
| 21:02.25 | karlpinc | iWaldo_: You look at the /boot/config-* file. |
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| 21:02.27 | jerigondor | Rory: you can install the stable version (whezzy) and modify your sources.list to update to jessye |
| 21:02.28 | SynrG | there is some work to do to finish the release. relax and grab some popcorn. |
| 21:02.43 | craisins | !tell craisins about wheezy->jessie |
| 21:02.48 | iWaldo_ | somaij, karlpinc: thanks! |
| 21:02.49 | Rory | jerigondor: No it's fine, I'll wait for tomorrow and install jessie fresh |
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| 21:03.07 | somiaj | !tell debian1 about testing |
| 21:03.20 | somiaj | debian1: not testing can be extra broken in the next few weeks after the release |
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| 21:03.54 | craisins | i'm on stable now, when the release is done i can do an apt-get update and apt-get upgrade and get jessie, correct? |
| 21:04.11 | iWaldo_ | oh, lucky me, the option i was going to recompile for is already turned on. couldn't find definitive proof in the mailing list |
| 21:04.26 | karlpinc | craisins: Best to follow the upgrade instructions in the release notes, just in case there's issues. |
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| 21:04.29 | somiaj | craisins: you should hopefully have 'wheezy' over 'stable' in your sources.list so you will have to change that to jessie and read the release notes so y ou know about the issues during the upgrade |
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| 21:04.37 | jelly | craisins: no, if your current installation is set up correctly, you'll want to do the upgrade procedure from the release notes |
| 21:04.37 | debian1 | somiaj: So whats the best way to have relatively updated packages while being stable? |
| 21:04.39 | iWaldo_ | anybody here aware of the --revision string bug in kernel-package? |
| 21:05.27 | jerigondor | what will be the next name for testing? |
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| 21:05.29 | karlpinc | debian1: What's "updated"? |
| 21:05.42 | somiaj | debian1: it really depends on what you consider reltively updated. If you suffere from SNS then debian may not be the best distro for you. testing/unstable do offer a testing system with newer packages being added to it regurally, but this can break, there is no security and it is strongly suggested not to run on production or critical systems |
| 21:05.57 | somiaj | debian1: if it is a piece of software here and there you need a newer version of, make a backport. |
| 21:06.20 | karlpinc | !tell debian1 about sns |
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| 21:07.15 | iWaldo_ | !tell me about sns |
| 21:07.25 | somiaj | iWaldo_: /msg dpkg factoid |
| 21:07.43 | karlpinc | debian1: On the other hand, I've heard (but don't know), that debian testing is more stable than other distro's stable releases. You have to decide. |
| 21:07.53 | teraflop | hmmm i did a fresh pure btrfs installation anyway is not automated, i wonder if it can be done through the installer http://a.pomf.se/pzknfu.png |
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| 21:08.39 | karlpinc | debian1: (Testing is bound to break right after a new release, somehow....) |
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| 21:09.42 | NeV3rKilL | hello |
| 21:10.02 | somiaj | My main advise if you want to run testing/unstable is know how debian works so when it breaks you can find a fix. |
| 21:10.15 | NeV3rKilL | I have to DROP all the DNS outgoing traffic because it overflows my router |
| 21:10.25 | somiaj | If you are willing to work though the breaks and fix them it works okay for a desktop system. I will not trust it for production or server. |
| 21:10.30 | NeV3rKilL | how could I find out whats broke? |
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| 21:11.00 | somiaj | One example from my experience. Wanted to get work done, so I needed to install new software in testing, I install the new sotfware and get a bug that breaks X, after 4 hours I got it fixed. But that took 4 hours away from me getting my work done. |
| 21:11.24 | karlpinc | NeV3rKilL: You probably are providing dns services to the world, allowing recursive queries not just queries for your zone. Look in the logs, or do a tcpdump and see what the traffic looks like. |
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| 21:11.55 | NeV3rKilL | karlpinc: I'm behind two routers without NAT, my DNS is pretty closed |
| 21:12.02 | NeV3rKilL | at least, it should |
| 21:12.24 | jelly | NeV3rKilL: isn't it kind of obvious you should find out source of the traffic/ |
| 21:12.30 | gone-------- | anyone know why my shell when updating from wheezy->jessie is still (gnome fallback session), but with iso image it's not |
| 21:12.31 | karlpinc | NeV3rKilL: The logs are your friend. Crank them up and see what they say. |
| 21:12.40 | gone-------- | updating via the repository sorry |
| 21:12.47 | NeV3rKilL | where are these logs? I find that port gone crazy trough iptraf |
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| 21:13.06 | somiaj | gone--------: did you fully upgrade, did you run an 'upgrade' or a 'dist-upgrade'? |
| 21:13.23 | karlpinc | NeV3rKilL: /var/log/daemon*, iirc. |
| 21:13.24 | NeV3rKilL | somiaj: some time ago, yes |
| 21:13.27 | somiaj | gone--------: care to share the output of 'apt-cache policy gnome' at paste.debian.net |
| 21:13.27 | gone-------- | i changed all the sources and did apt-get update && upgrade |
| 21:13.32 | gone-------- | oh boy |
| 21:13.36 | gone-------- | what should i do now? |
| 21:13.37 | SynrG | dist-upgrade |
| 21:13.41 | gone-------- | =\ |
| 21:13.42 | SynrG | just finish it |
| 21:13.53 | gone-------- | alright hopefully dist-upgrade finishes it thanks |
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| 21:14.03 | somiaj | if you upgrade, you probabaly only upgraded half your system and are still running the wheezy gnome. You need to dist-upgrade so you can pull in new packages and remove old packages. |
| 21:14.10 | NoCode | Is lxml a package in the distro? |
| 21:14.15 | NeV3rKilL | karlpinc: that log, seems pretty normal |
| 21:14.17 | SynrG | ,v lxml |
| 21:14.19 | judd | No package named 'lxml' was found in amd64. |
| 21:14.20 | somiaj | !tell NoCode about search |
| 21:14.26 | NoCode | hmm |
| 21:14.34 | somiaj | NoCode: if you don't have a debian system, you can search teh package database at packages.debian.org |
| 21:14.39 | gone-------- | synrg: apt-get dist-upgrade right? |
| 21:14.43 | NeV3rKilL | im gonna try log tcpdump |
| 21:14.44 | SynrG | python-lxml maybe? |
| 21:14.45 | somiaj | gone--------: correct |
| 21:14.46 | karlpinc | NeV3rKilL: You might have to turn up the verbosity. |
| 21:14.48 | SynrG | ,v python-lxml |
| 21:14.49 | judd | Package: python-lxml on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.2.8-2; squeeze-security-lts: 2.2.8-2+deb6u1; wheezy: 2.3.2-1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 2.3.2-1+deb7u1; wheezy-backports: 3.3.1-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.4.0-1; stretch: 3.4.0-1; sid: 3.4.2-1 |
| 21:14.51 | gone-------- | thank you sorry |
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| 21:15.06 | NeV3rKilL | karlpinc: first, i have to know what service went crazy, don't I ? |
| 21:15.19 | karlpinc | NeV3rKilL: I thought you said it was outbound dns. |
| 21:15.26 | NeV3rKilL | now i'm controlling the situation with IPTABLES |
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| 21:15.39 | NeV3rKilL | but I don't know what service is doing the insane requests |
| 21:15.48 | NeV3rKilL | and netstat doesn-t help |
| 21:15.52 | NoCode | Thanks. |
| 21:16.02 | NoCode | How can I tell which python version I have installed? |
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| 21:16.18 | NoCode | I guess starting python will show. |
| 21:16.24 | karlpinc | NeV3rKilL: Use tcpdump (possiblly with wireshark) to tell where they are coming from. Or turn up the verbosity of your dns server logs. |
| 21:17.01 | debian_btseeder | Hi all. It's late where I live, but I want to setup one of my servers as a bittorrent seeder for the 8.0 release. Anyone know where I can find the torrent easily? Dead tired so I might be missing the obvious. The link on the main page is still for 7.8.0. |
| 21:17.29 | somiaj | NoCode: you can use dpkg -l or aptitude search ~i to show all installe dpackages adn their version |
| 21:17.51 | microfracture | debian_btseeder: 8.0 hasn't been officially released yet. |
| 21:18.02 | somiaj | debian_btseeder: what are you wanting? ARe you wanting to get the new iso's or just upgrade to 8.0? |
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| 21:18.28 | NeV3rKilL | haha |
| 21:18.30 | somiaj | debian_btseeder: you can upgrade your system to jessie right now if you want, no need tog et new isos to upgrade. |
| 21:18.31 | NeV3rKilL | 286M /home/dump.txt |
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| 21:18.41 | NeV3rKilL | 4 seconds |
| 21:18.45 | NeV3rKilL | of tcpdump, crazy shit |
| 21:18.58 | NeV3rKilL | sorry, too much intro |
| 21:19.10 | karlpinc | NeV3rKilL: It helps to do -n |
| 21:19.31 | jelly | NeV3rKilL: if it's really dns traffic, dnstop may be helpful |
| 21:19.56 | NoCode | hmm. Another quick question: Logged into my VPS via terminal. "You have mail." How do I view the message(s)? |
| 21:20.05 | debian_btseeder | somiaj: I'm on testing and have been for a while. I'm mostly concerned about sharing some bandwidth when the release is live. :) |
| 21:20.18 | jelly | NoCode: mutt or alpine or mailx or mail |
| 21:20.39 | NoCode | Are there any default clients? |
| 21:21.07 | karlpinc | NoCode: Or, probably: less /var/spool/mail/* |
| 21:21.22 | jelly | NoCode: /usr/bin/mail might be installed already but it's a really really basic, command line thing |
| 21:21.32 | debian_btseeder | Well, I should say I'm on jessie, which won't be testing for much longer. |
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| 21:22.06 | NeV3rKilL | I don't understand why these petitions are not reflected on netstat |
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| 21:22.46 | NeV3rKilL | There are tons of "Malformed Packet" on wireshark |
| 21:22.53 | karlpinc | NeV3rKilL: Are you looking at udp with netstat? And in any case udp is there and then gone, no state to hang around. |
| 21:23.05 | NoCode | karlpinc, Thanks, that worked. |
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| 21:23.13 | NeV3rKilL | karlpinc: the problem is TCP 53 port |
| 21:23.22 | NeV3rKilL | thats the port I block with iptables to solve the problem |
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| 21:23.46 | NeV3rKilL | and the port that makes tcpdump creating files of 100MB in 2 seconds |
| 21:23.50 | debian_btseeder | I guess it'll have to wait until tomorrow when. Thank you for the help! And good luck with the release. :) |
| 21:23.51 | karlpinc | NeV3rKilL: Usually tcp is usually only used for zone transfers in dns. |
| 21:24.46 | karlpinc | NeV3rKilL: So, are the requests coming from inside your network or from the net? |
| 21:25.43 | NeV3rKilL | from my net |
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| 21:25.47 | NeV3rKilL | to 173.245.59.104 |
| 21:26.16 | jelly | figure out where from exactly |
| 21:27.22 | NeV3rKilL | wireshark screen http://i.imgur.com/OsmtoLj.png |
| 21:27.37 | D-Boy | I'm on Jessie RC2 I think, to get jessie stable a simple aptitude update & aptitude safe-upgrade will do ? |
| 21:27.55 | jelly | NeV3rKilL: well, investigate more on the 192.168.0.4 machine |
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| 21:28.09 | NeV3rKilL | jelly: Thats the only machine with debian, lol |
| 21:28.17 | NeV3rKilL | i know thats the machine with the problem |
| 21:28.26 | TacoGS | in lxde why would the application bar selection be different than menu:// ? |
| 21:28.39 | NeV3rKilL | but I don't know how to find with service is making that requests |
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| 21:29.19 | jelly | NeV3rKilL: netstat -tpan|grep :53 |
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| 21:30.27 | NeV3rKilL | jelly: thats empty |
| 21:31.58 | jelly | NeV3rKilL: that's unusual. Whcih services do you have running on that machine and are there any facing public internet? |
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| 21:32.11 | jelly | NeV3rKilL: also, run that as root |
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| 21:32.40 | NeV3rKilL | I'm root, yes. That machine has several services serving to internet, but right now it has all the doors closed. |
| 21:33.03 | NeV3rKilL | so it's not receiving any request from outside, AFAIK |
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| 21:33.43 | NeV3rKilL | but, i can close all the services and the problem persist |
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| 21:33.50 | TacoGS | does anyone know where Application launch Bar gets the "Installed Applications" |
| 21:33.52 | TacoGS | from? |
| 21:33.54 | jelly | NeV3rKilL: it might have already been compromised |
| 21:34.39 | adeb42new | #FREEJESSIE |
| 21:34.55 | jelly | NeV3rKilL: look at the process tree and open files, see if there's anything suspicious |
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| 21:36.10 | NeV3rKilL | I got several weird zdhkwwgjsu or eecfreopwc process running =_= |
| 21:37.01 | craisins | those don't sound good |
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| 21:37.18 | NeV3rKilL | yup, dont; they are changing the name each 3 seconds |
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| 21:37.32 | [Franklin] | waves a BIG RED CAUTION FLAG |
| 21:37.54 | [Franklin] | what user is running them? |
| 21:38.32 | NeV3rKilL | not a good 1 :( |
| 21:38.35 | NeV3rKilL | gonna format |
| 21:38.43 | [Franklin] | yeah |
| 21:38.47 | NeV3rKilL | seems burning the cpu also |
| 21:38.56 | [Franklin] | looks like you got a virus :( |
| 21:39.27 | jelly | NeV3rKilL: that's nice, are they confined to a single user? |
| 21:39.32 | NeV3rKilL | yep, i'm doing some QOS to an american machine, |
| 21:39.52 | NeV3rKilL | jelly: when that single user is root, thats a bad user to be confined, lol |
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| 21:40.00 | tethra | i'd recommend checking .ssh/authorized_keys for the user affected |
| 21:40.02 | jelly | NeV3rKilL: yeah, most likely :-) |
| 21:40.11 | tethra | that way you can at least know it's probably a rubbish password |
| 21:40.20 | jelly | still it'd be nice if you were able to take samples |
| 21:40.36 | [Franklin] | yeah, do that |
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| 21:41.02 | Yukiteru | Jesssiieeee where are you???? |
| 21:41.10 | tethra | i'm here, woody |
| 21:41.23 | Yukiteru | lol |
| 21:41.28 | tethra | hold me |
| 21:41.41 | jelly | NeV3rKilL: or otherwise be unable to figure out how they got in and maybe repeat the same issue on your future new install |
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| 21:41.51 | Yukiteru | jajajaja |
| 21:42.03 | NeV3rKilL | jelly: are gonna open DMZ again directly to your machine? |
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| 21:42.09 | Yukiteru | what happen with release?? |
| 21:42.18 | NeV3rKilL | I won't, lol |
| 21:42.26 | SynrG | !wwjr |
| 21:42.26 | dpkg | Debian 8 "Jessie" release is in progress 2015-04-25. You can follow progress at: https://identi.ca/debian or ask me about <releasingjessie>. Nobody knows what time; it will be done when all the work is done. Ask me about <wheezy->jessie>. |
| 21:42.40 | jelly | NeV3rKilL: a patched wheezy shouldn't have gotten pwned easily. |
| 21:43.06 | tethra | NeV3rKilL: did /root/.ssh/authorized_keys contain entries you don't recognise? |
| 21:43.14 | NeV3rKilL | it was jessie |
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| 21:43.56 | NeV3rKilL | don't have that folde, tethra, sorry |
| 21:44.20 | [Franklin] | that's good |
| 21:44.28 | [Franklin] | do you have sshd running? |
| 21:44.32 | NeV3rKilL | yep |
| 21:44.39 | [Franklin] | root login enabled? |
| 21:44.40 | tethra | that means it wasn't your root password getting bruteforced |
| 21:44.51 | [Franklin] | tethra: it could be |
| 21:44.55 | NeV3rKilL | yep |
| 21:44.59 | tethra | well, it could be but they've not put ssh keys in |
| 21:45.13 | jelly | NeV3rKilL: with a stupid nonrandom password? :-) |
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| 21:45.30 | NeV3rKilL | jelly: mostly, not obvious but easy forced |
| 21:45.38 | [Franklin] | my root password is passwordpassword1234 |
| 21:45.45 | jelly | NeV3rKilL: well then |
| 21:45.57 | teraflop | xD |
| 21:46.02 | [Franklin] | thankfully I have password access disabled |
| 21:46.19 | avshalom | on https://www.debian.org/CD/, it says Most people will need images for "i386" Really? |
| 21:46.30 | SynrG | no, not really |
| 21:47.01 | avshalom | i guess it will "just work" for most people... |
| 21:47.06 | SynrG | yes |
| 21:47.18 | SynrG | but use amd64 for 64-bit intel or amd |
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| 21:50.08 | ArchDuke | Trying to get hbonow working in chromium with pepperflash, but can't find hal in the jessie repo's - will udev, udisks, upower, etc handle the adobe flash drm problem as hal did? |
| 21:50.29 | SynrG | hal is dead |
| 21:50.38 | ArchDuke | Ah, explains that |
| 21:50.53 | SynrG | i don't know what the "adobe flash drm problem" is, so can't say |
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| 21:53.43 | kevin303 | I'm having issues on my laptop - asus aspire e15 model es1-512-p84g with jessie I can't suspend nor hibernate. Suspend results in a freeze of the last screen seen, hibernate is a blank screen. Sometimes shutting down doesn't work either. It will go to a black screen, but will not actually power off the laptop. pm-suspend log looks ok, so it looks like the issue is with resume. Can anyone point me in the right direction? |
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| 21:54.56 | kevin303 | I can offer more info if necessary - just don't want to spam the channel |
| 21:57.24 | avshalom | kevin303: you could try the debian mailing list. perhaps less ephemeral than irc |
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| 21:57.53 | kevin303 | i'll do that, thanks |
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| 22:02.36 | adeb42new | #FREEJESSIE |
| 22:03.20 | adeb42new | bye folks |
| 22:03.26 | adeb42new | I'm going to install via Grub |
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| 22:03.34 | adeb42new | I can't wait any longer |
| 22:04.18 | [Franklin] | meh |
| 22:04.28 | [Franklin] | I like arch's rolling releases better |
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| 22:05.30 | ptomblin | I'm looking at the upgrade instructions, and it says to do "dpkg --audit". It says I have module-init-tools (a transitional dummy package) that needs to be reinstalled. It's a dummy, but I can't remove it because it would break acpid. |
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| 22:06.27 | RainbowTiger | wheezy->jessie |
| 22:06.32 | RainbowTiger | wrong window |
| 22:07.10 | jelly | ptomblin: so reinstall it |
| 22:07.31 | ptomblin | jelly: Just discovered the "L" in aptitude. Thanks. |
| 22:07.47 | jelly | has no idea what L in aptitude does |
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| 22:08.09 | ptomblin | jelly: it reinstalls. |
| 22:08.22 | jelly | heh |
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| 22:10.50 | kevin303 | is jessie RC3 different from the release today? |
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| 22:11.51 | RainbowTiger | i wonder that jessie is released, but no install media will be provided ... |
| 22:12.00 | RainbowTiger | or *is* provided |
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| 22:13.33 | valdyn | RainbowTiger: the media are being made right now, just takes time |
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| 22:13.58 | iWaldo_ | i'm trying to bind a device to vfio-pci |
| 22:14.12 | iWaldo_ | but there's no vfio-pci driver in /sys/bus/pci/drivers |
| 22:14.22 | iWaldo_ | any advice? |
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| 22:17.27 | valdyn | iWaldo_: "modprobe vfio-pci" |
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| 22:17.41 | iWaldo_ | it's loaded |
| 22:17.53 | iWaldo_ | valdyn: already have done that |
| 22:18.01 | valdyn | iWaldo_: see what dmesg sais when you load it - that just worked for me. |
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| 22:18.21 | proter | today not released debian 8? |
| 22:18.49 | iWaldo_ | valdyn: i'm a tard. i did modprobe vfio vfio-pci |
| 22:18.55 | iWaldo_ | but it only took the first argument |
| 22:18.57 | iWaldo_ | thanks m8 |
| 22:20.22 | proter | is ready for download debian 8? |
| 22:20.34 | jhutchins | proter: In progress. |
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| 22:20.56 | proter | thank ready 26 :) |
| 22:20.58 | jhutchins | proter: See the topic for current status. |
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| 22:22.17 | iWaldo_ | follow up: do i need to load vfio on the host? or just vfio-pci to get the driver? |
| 22:22.48 | valdyn | iWaldo_: its already loaded as a dependency |
| 22:23.09 | iWaldo_ | valdyn: thanks again |
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| 22:23.37 | iWaldo_ | valdyn: i may have a few more questions as i try to get qemu-kvm set up to use a graphics card on a headless server |
| 22:23.54 | iWaldo_ | from what i've read i don't think i'll need X on the host machine to do any of this |
| 22:25.06 | bynarie | can someone here help me write a simple UFW rule? ive read the man and help, still cant figure it out. i want to allow incoming port 22 (ssh) only for my home ip address and only on a specified interface(eth0), my server has 2 seperate ip addresses/interfaces |
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| 22:25.43 | bynarie | so something like ufw allow port 22 from <my_ip> on interface eth0 |
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| 22:28.02 | valdyn | bynarie: probably not supported by ufw |
| 22:28.19 | bynarie | its supported, i just cant figure it out |
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| 22:29.30 | valdyn | bynarie: ufw allow in ssh on eth0 |
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| 22:29.44 | bynarie | right, but what about the ip address |
| 22:30.31 | valdyn | bynarie: ufw allow in ssh/tcp on eth0 from 192.168.1.1 |
| 22:30.52 | bynarie | dam ok, thanks valdyn ill give it a shot |
| 22:30.55 | bynarie | i appreciate it |
| 22:30.59 | jhutchins | bynarie: Tell sshd which address to listen on. Port 22 is a bad idea. |
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| 22:31.21 | bynarie | jhutchins, because its common?? |
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| 22:31.31 | valdyn | i dont think that matters when he is restricting to one ip |
| 22:31.34 | jhutchins | bynarie: Yes, you will get brute force attacks. |
| 22:31.37 | bynarie | ok |
| 22:31.50 | jhutchins | bynarie: 222 is also starting to see them. |
| 22:31.52 | abrotman | That's hogwash. A determined person will find the port anyway |
| 22:31.59 | bynarie | ok |
| 22:32.05 | bynarie | so pick a random port? |
| 22:32.09 | bynarie | say 1320 |
| 22:32.12 | bynarie | ? |
| 22:32.15 | abrotman | bynarie: No, choose good passwords, or only use keys |
| 22:32.15 | valdyn | bynarie: it does not matter when you are restricting to 1 ip |
| 22:32.20 | jhutchins | bynarie: Yes, that's good practice. |
| 22:32.33 | bynarie | i use ssh keys and password, but also want to restrict ip |
| 22:32.42 | NiTeMaRe | i wouldn't use ssh ports above 1024 for sure |
| 22:32.50 | abrotman | bynarie: okay, then you can leave it on port 22, and just use iptables to restrict to one IP |
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| 22:33.39 | bynarie | see i also read ip tables man and it just seems a bit more complicated, im sure if i study it i could figure it out |
| 22:33.52 | valdyn | bynarie: you dont need to use iptables literally |
| 22:33.58 | le_pig | NiTeMaRe: why would you avoid ssh ports about 1024? just curious.. |
| 22:34.01 | jhutchins | NiTeMaRe: I think you have the properties backwards. Ports above 1024 work just fine. |
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| 22:34.10 | valdyn | bynarie: ufw is an *interface* to iptables, keep using that |
| 22:34.15 | bynarie | yea |
| 22:34.17 | bynarie | ok |
| 22:34.20 | NiTeMaRe | you can bind to ports above 1024 as non-root |
| 22:34.27 | jhutchins | NiTeMaRe: So? |
| 22:34.33 | NiTeMaRe | and you can block sshd from starting if you have a malicious user on the box |
| 22:34.38 | le_pig | NiTeMaRe: hmm.. interesting! |
| 22:34.39 | NiTeMaRe | and start a rogue sshd |
| 22:34.56 | jhutchins | NiTeMaRe: They could start a rogue daemon anyway. |
| 22:34.59 | abrotman | !enter |
| 22:34.59 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 22:35.30 | NiTeMaRe | jhutchins: you can but if you are connecting to what you think is sshd on a port above 1024 and it is rogue, you just gave away your key etc |
| 22:35.33 | lisa_1994 | could somone tell me how to solve this?: Could not init font path element /var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType. Thx! |
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| 22:35.55 | bynarie | fellas, thank you all for the advice |
| 22:35.55 | NiTeMaRe | and you are also blocked from logging in unless you have console access |
| 22:35.59 | jhutchins | NiTeMaRe: No, you didn't, because you only have your public key, but I think we're drifting off topic here. |
| 22:36.00 | valdyn | in my experience the compromise happens because you create a guest/guest account for stupid reasons, not because someone manages to bruteforce a normal strength password |
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| 22:38.39 | valdyn | lisa_1994: probably that your X has some old config laying around, it probably is irrelevant |
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| 22:38.50 | SynrG | lisa_1994: you have obsolete font paths |
| 22:39.11 | valdyn | lisa_1994: where are you seeing that error? |
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| 22:39.34 | lisa_1994 | while starting freeswitch |
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| 22:39.54 | valdyn | not in debian |
| 22:40.01 | lisa_1994 | debian 7.8 |
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| 22:40.58 | lisa_1994 | i solved the problems with other fonts like x11 and so on by installing them. |
| 22:41.24 | lisa_1994 | but don't find a solution for the one i posted. |
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| 22:42.45 | jhutchins | ,v freeswitch |
| 22:42.46 | judd | No package named 'freeswitch' was found in amd64. |
| 22:43.31 | lisa_1994 | https://wiki.freeswitch.org |
| 22:43.40 | jhutchins | lisa_1994: Yes, not a debian package, that's why. |
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| 22:44.29 | jhutchins | lisa_1994: You might want to help them document the requirements for installing it on Debian. |
| 22:45.02 | jhutchins | lisa_1994: Font path errors are pretty silly for a telecom server. |
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| 22:45.47 | valdyn | like its starting its own X Server |
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| 22:47.22 | lisa_1994 | since yesterday i'm working on this installation and the documentation isn't very helpful. the makefile don't work. just get it working by manual installation... |
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| 22:48.45 | jhutchins | lisa_1994: That's a bit risky, but yeah, it can be done. |
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| 22:49.10 | jhutchins | lisa_1994: Reading the make file might give you some clues of what it's looking for - but a missing font shouldn't block it from starting. |
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| 22:50.45 | lisa_1994 | i also think so, but it will start slow because of the errors. Now i have just one but it's annoying! |
| 22:51.03 | valdyn | lisa_1994: that font path error is most probably irrelevant, there may be something else |
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| 22:52.15 | valdyn | lisa_1994: theres a debian package also |
| 22:52.35 | lisa_1994 | i got the same errors for other fonts and solved it by installing them with "apt-get installxfonts-100dpi" for example. |
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| 22:52.37 | valdyn | https://freeswitch.org/confluence/display/FREESWITCH/Debian#Debian-DebianPackage |
| 22:52.56 | valdyn | lisa_1994: of course, but that does not make those warnings matter |
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| 22:53.32 | lisa_1994 | I know and i tested it, but the problem only appears by installing a module... |
| 22:55.14 | lisa_1994 | in freeswitch channel they said i should ask in the debian channel. ;-) normally google tells me everything. 8-) |
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| 23:04.37 | danobi | What is the difference between apt-get upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade? |
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| 23:07.37 | alusion | is is it out yet |
| 23:07.41 | valdyn | danobi: see the manpage |
| 23:08.39 | nyavek | can anyone point me in the direction of installing intel bay trail graphics drivers? |
| 23:09.03 | debian596 | danobi: upgrade upgrade is used to install the newest versions of all packages currently installed on the system from the sources enumerated in /etc/apt/sources.list. Packages currently installed with new versions available are retrieved and upgraded; under no circumstances are currently installed packages removed, or packages not already installed retrieved and installed. New versions of currently installed pack |
| 23:09.18 | debian596 | oh sorry :( |
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| 23:12.24 | nyavek | or the correct driver for Asus Aspire E15 model ES1-512-P84G this? |
| 23:12.38 | hacfi | STABLE |
| 23:13.34 | hacfi | https://cloudfront.debian.net/debian/dists/stable/main/binary-amd64/Release :) |
| 23:13.34 | debian596 | alusion: you mean Jessie ? |
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| 23:15.25 | graytron | wait is almost over |
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| 23:19.09 | alusion | yes debian596 |
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| 23:21.02 | lisa_1994 | Thank you for trying to help me. I wrote an e-mail to them. Maybe they could help me to find a solution. |
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| 23:26.50 | debian596 | alusion: IMHO not yet |
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| 23:30.18 | crash_ | how to get h.264 on youtube with html5? i have installed gstreamer1.0,good,ugly plugins,libav.. but i still got a ! on h.264 |
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| 23:34.06 | cafuego | youtube-dl https://... |
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| 23:35.09 | mokuhon | crash_: What Firefox version are you using? If you want the best html5 support, get Chromium. |
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| 23:35.46 | crash_ | mokuhon: i'm using 37.0.2 |
| 23:35.48 | techeavy | should i get a burger from 5 Guys tonight or eat healthy |
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| 23:36.22 | microfracture | 5 guys of course. :P |
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| 23:36.42 | microfracture | bring us back some too while you are there :D |
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| 23:37.24 | techeavy | haha will do boys... will do |
| 23:38.19 | \\Mr_C\\ | they are updating the mirrors now to get the jessie |
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| 23:42.47 | techeavy | exit |
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| 23:51.49 | stanley | it's here |
| 23:52.06 | APLU | hum... I missed some point releases : ftp://ftp.acc.umu.se/cdimage/release/8.8.0/ :-P |
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| 23:53.36 | avshalom | is there a "stamp" that is written when a mirror is up-to-date? |
| 23:53.48 | felipehw | APLU: Only found the correctly: http://ftp.acc.umu.se/cdimage/release/8.0.0/ |
| 23:54.03 | avshalom | (i'm a little bit afraid to update against a partial mirror....) |
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| 23:54.26 | somiaj | avshalom: hopefully the mirror gets up to date then switches over. But http.debian.net might help out too. |
| 23:54.30 | somiaj | !http.debian.net |
| 23:54.30 | dpkg | To have <APT> automatically select a mirror geographically close to you, you can use a Geo-IP service from http.debian.net. An example line for your sources.list is "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ wheezy main". See http://http.debian.net/ for more information. Unlike <cdn.debian.net>, it is safe to use with Google DNS etc because it uses HTTP 302 redirects. See also <which http.debian.net>. |
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| 23:55.05 | APLU | felipehw: yup, fixed here too :) |
| 23:55.06 | somiaj | avshalom: not sure if there is a 'check if mirror is up to date flag', but there is some checking to make sure the mirror is actually alive and well. |
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| 23:55.28 | \\Mr_C\\ | cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/8.0.0/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-8.0.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso |
| 23:55.29 | felipehw | APLU: lets the download begin: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.0.0/ |
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| 23:56.22 | \\Mr_C\\ | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.0.0/ |
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| 23:57.34 | somiaj | You all realize that if you are running wheezy you can just dist-upgrade (/msg dpkg wheezy->jessie) and not need to download another iso (putting strain ont he servers) |
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