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| 00:06.14 | skydog | why is every single debian mirror offline when i try to download an image. whether its via http, torrent, or jidgo |
| 00:07.08 | roberth1990 | skydog: maintainance? |
| 00:07.38 | somiaj | skydog: takes a while for the mirrors to get the images and they are also being pushed a lot. Just be paitent. |
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| 00:07.50 | somiaj | skydog: any reason you need the image and don't want to just dist-upgrade? |
| 00:08.08 | skydog | i have an ibook g4. i need thepowerpc cd image |
| 00:08.32 | nurupo | skydog: jessie is being released, mirros getting updated beause of that https://identi.ca/debian |
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| 00:08.59 | somiaj | skydog: is that g4 running wheezy? But yes, just be paitent, might take a bit for your mirror to get the images. All this copying of gigabytes of data takes time. |
| 00:09.13 | skydog | no its running osx. |
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| 00:09.16 | Waxhead | What is the reccomended wheezy -> jessie upgrade method. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 00:09.49 | somiaj | Waxhead: basically, you may want to put an upgrade in the middle, and always 'read the release notes' first |
| 00:10.02 | debian596 | skydog: just try direct location ... eq ... http://ftp.acc.umu.se/debian-cd/8.0.0/ |
| 00:10.08 | somiaj | Waxhead: there are some things to do before this, such as remove third party sources, and some other things to do to ensure a smoother ride. |
| 00:10.31 | somiaj | Waxhead: all of these things are documencted in the release notes |
| 00:11.16 | avshalom | ready for torrents |
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| 00:13.20 | debian596 | alusion: now it is :) |
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| 00:16.27 | alusion | [freedom intensifies] |
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| 00:16.56 | AR45 | I just built a computer it has an asus h97 motherboard and a i5-4590. |
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| 00:17.06 | alusion | wheres the download for netinstall |
| 00:17.09 | alusion | i still see 7.8 |
| 00:17.11 | alusion | dead link |
| 00:17.16 | alusion | will clear cache |
| 00:17.20 | AR45 | I just installed debian on it. |
| 00:17.21 | phogg | Can tc be used to define different rates for up and down bandwidth usage? I'm trying, but whatever I do it seems like packets only get classified one way. |
| 00:17.32 | AR45 | For some reason it's not picking up the resolution of my monitor. |
| 00:17.56 | mtn | AR45: looked at the wiki for your video card? |
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| 00:18.06 | AR45 | I don't havea video card. |
| 00:18.19 | AR45 | I'm using the on board graphics of my CPU. |
| 00:18.19 | mtn | AR45: must make it hard to see anything on the screen then |
| 00:18.28 | mtn | AR45: ok, chip then. same thing. |
| 00:18.31 | somiaj | alusion: they are out there, but slowly are being pushed around mirrors and torrents. I would suggest doing a wheezy->jessie upgrade over finding an install image right now. |
| 00:18.37 | AR45 | Intel HD Graphics 4600. |
| 00:18.55 | somiaj | AR45: what version of debian? |
| 00:19.12 | alusion | naahh |
| 00:19.20 | AR45 | somiaj: Linux debian 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt9-2 (2015-04-13) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 00:19.28 | alusion | I'll upgrade when I can have an official debian 8 net install |
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| 00:19.34 | alusion | shiny |
| 00:19.45 | somiaj | AR45: that tells me the kernel, is this a new install of jessie? |
| 00:19.49 | alusion | Then I'll celebrate with hot anime chicks and drinking alone |
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| 00:20.06 | AR45 | somiaj: Yes I just installed it on brand new hardware. |
| 00:20.11 | somiaj | you don't upgrade with the netinstall images, you reinstall. In lots of cases an upgrade would work and not mean reconfigure everyting. |
| 00:20.47 | somiaj | AR45: I'm trying to think if jessie supports the 4600 or not. I am not that familar with intel gpu's. But you can check /var/log/Xorg.0.log and see what drivers are loaded. |
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| 00:21.55 | dontknow | does jessie that already installed and upgraded gets big update after release? |
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| 00:23.57 | Waxhead | somiaj: alright , thanks |
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| 00:25.09 | somiaj | dontknow: nope, as long as you have the security and jessie-update sources, you will get the few updates. |
| 00:25.12 | AR45 | somiaj: Not sure lot of stuff in here. |
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| 00:26.01 | somiaj | dontknow: if you wait until the next point release, then yes there is a pool of updates, but I wouldn't call it big, just bigger than if you don't get the regular updates as they pool in those two sources. |
| 00:26.16 | dontknow | somiaj, ok |
| 00:26.25 | Stanto | what's the default desktop environment for jessie? |
| 00:26.34 | somiaj | AR45: it is usually fairly obvious which graphic driver is loaded, it will try a few then you'll see tons of lines that say INTEL or some other driver (like VESA). Put a copy at paste.debian.net if you want someone else to look at it |
| 00:26.35 | dontknow | Stanto, gnome |
| 00:26.39 | Stanto | dontknow: thanks. |
| 00:26.41 | somiaj | Stanto: depends on which install cd you use. |
| 00:26.58 | somiaj | Stanto: the netinstall will default to gnome unless you tell it otherwise. But you can get an xfce cd if you want, then it defaults to xfce. |
| 00:26.58 | Stanto | somiaj: huh, ok, I wasn't aware it varied. |
| 00:27.07 | Stanto | somiaj: thanks. |
| 00:27.23 | dontknow | but gnome is the official default |
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| 00:27.43 | Stanto | ta |
| 00:27.56 | somiaj | Stanto: defaults in debian are a strange critter. Because really the idea is install a miniial system and install the software you want. Now if you want to tell the installer to install a desktop enviorment. The one it chooses depends on install medium (where gnome is the default on the netinstall and non de specific installers) |
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| 00:29.21 | bjk | that has bothered me for some time. /etc/defaults rather than /etc/config. doesn't make sense./ |
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| 00:31.31 | dontknow | somiaj, is it possible not get any upgrade at all? because i have just did apt-get update and it downloaded "big" package list and apt-get upgrade didn't get anything |
| 00:32.19 | somiaj | dontknow: yes, most likely most packages have not changed, only a very few (think maybe 100 out of a pool of 20,000 packages) |
| 00:32.47 | somiaj | dontknow: again you did check you had jessie/updates (securty.debian.org) and jessie-updates in your sources.list |
| 00:33.45 | dontknow | somiaj, yes they are active in sorces.list. |
| 00:33.47 | avshalom | we got torrents |
| 00:33.56 | somiaj | bjk: what do you mean, all those random 'defaults' should be pooled as /etc/config.grub as opposed to /etc/default/grub? |
| 00:34.01 | dontknow | it is not exciting, i was expecting some updates lol |
| 00:34.32 | bjk | somiaj: /etc/config/grub rather than /etc/defaults/grub |
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| 00:34.41 | somiaj | dontknow: jessie ahs been frozen and as long as you have been doing upgrades regulary since you installed jessie, over the last month there has only be a few hundered packages left to fix and most likely these are mostly edge cases. |
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| 00:34.46 | bjk | somiaj: why /etc/defaults? |
| 00:35.34 | somiaj | bjk: not sure on the exact reason. But with grub, /etc/default/grub is not a config file. It is just a list of variables that get used to create the config files. |
| 00:37.02 | somiaj | bjk: also this allows certain defaults to be set, and them not be overwritten when the actual config file is updated with the package. I woudln't call the stuff in /etc/defaults actual configs. But in the end, the naming is just something someone picked and then got standardized. I guess /etc/config/foo would have worked just as well. |
| 00:37.12 | somiaj | I don't know the exact reason behind the naming, just guessing. |
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| 00:37.44 | bjk | somiaj: when i think of defaults i think of program defaults without any modification of configuration files or command line switches. thats what doesnt make sense to me is saying "defaults" rather than "config" |
| 00:38.06 | dontknow | is it important the order of content of sources.lists? mine is first "jessie main", second is "jessie/updates main" and the last one is "jessie-updates main" |
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| 00:39.50 | somiaj | bjk: https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html#s-writing-init -- here is the policy of why it is used with init scripts, but not about the actual naming. |
| 00:40.03 | jelly | dontknow: order is not important. Do note that the second one has a different base URL than the other two. |
| 00:40.15 | somiaj | dontknow: order of the lines don't matter. The order within the line does matter, you can't change 'jessie main' to 'main jessie' for example. |
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| 00:41.01 | dontknow | jelly, somiaj ok thanks |
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| 00:41.53 | dontknow | but i want updates :p |
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| 00:42.06 | nurupo | when Jessie got freezed, did it devirge from Testing? i.e. Testing continued getting updates from unstable, but Jessie didn't? |
| 00:42.20 | somiaj | dontknow: you could go do the wild ride which is calld testing or unstable right now. |
| 00:42.21 | cafuego | that's how it works |
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| 00:42.46 | themill | nurupo: jessie has been frozen for months but has still been 'testing' for all that time |
| 00:42.49 | dontknow | i want updates special for release day :p |
| 00:42.54 | somiaj | nurupo: no, when testing gets frozen, no new versions can migrate from unstable. It is only at the release that a new copy is made and becomes the new testing. |
| 00:43.31 | nurupo | i see |
| 00:43.44 | somiaj | nurupo: and druing the release links change, squeeze is now oldoldstable, wheezy is now oldstable, jessie is now stable, and the copy of jessie is now the new testing and called stretch. Also now that the flood gates have opened, stretch is going to start evolving very quickly and be a wild ride. |
| 00:43.45 | blackflow | Jessie is so old news now. When is Stretch coming out? |
| 00:43.55 | nurupo | that means i will get a ton of updates soon heh |
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| 00:44.00 | nurupo | is testing user |
| 00:44.05 | themill | (As of a few hours ago, jessie identifies itself as 'stable' and there is a new 'testing' (aka stretch), but nothing will yet be heading towards stretch |
| 00:44.21 | themill | nurupo: you might like to consider sticking with jessie for the next couple of months |
| 00:44.37 | somiaj | nurupo: hope you like a wild ride, once things start to move into testing it is far more 'broken' than normal. |
| 00:44.46 | somiaj | I even avoid upgrading my sid box during the next month or so. |
| 00:45.16 | nurupo | huh |
| 00:45.59 | nurupo | it's more unstable then usual because the flow from Unstable to Testing was cut during Freezing period, so Testing people didn't report bugs? |
| 00:46.04 | nurupo | that's what you mean? |
| 00:46.04 | somiaj | nurupo: there are lots of new versions, some are sitting in experiemential, some the matainers are just waiting to upload. This makes the whole testing/unstable a lot more bumpy than normal. |
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| 00:46.24 | nurupo | ok |
| 00:46.33 | somiaj | nurupo: no, once the freeze is lifted, large batches that have been sitting for 10+ days flow in, and this just causes more chaos than normal. |
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| 00:46.47 | nurupo | changing sources.list to jessie for now then |
| 00:47.17 | somiaj | nurupo: provided of course no rc bugs, but still standard advise is wait a month or so. Unless of course you like a wild ride, then let us know about your experience. (: |
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| 00:48.48 | themill | If previous releases are anything to go by, stretch will have diverged from stretch by ~20% by the end of next week. |
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| 00:49.42 | dontknow | i believe the last apt-get update got "big" list because "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" activated |
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| 00:51.02 | somiaj | I forget if stable uses pdiff's, or it gives you a full index each time. |
| 00:51.07 | dontknow | but didn't get any upgrade. according to debian jessie in testing wasn't getting the security updates. but after it activated i couldn't get any upgrade. that is what sounds weird to me |
| 00:51.31 | AR45 | Hello I have on chip intel HD Graphics 4600 for some reason in Display Settings on GNOME my display is "unknown" and is forcing my 1600x900 monitor to use a resolution of 1024x780. |
| 00:51.34 | somiaj | dontknow: it wasn't getting timly updtes, security bugs are considered rc bugs and they were being fixed as they were found. |
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| 00:52.35 | dontknow | somiaj, i see |
| 00:52.47 | dontknow | AR45, are you on jessie? |
| 00:52.56 | somiaj | AR45: did you paste your Xorg.0.log file? |
| 00:53.13 | AR45 | dontknow: yes |
| 00:53.34 | AR45 | somiaj: No I didn't I can't seem to copy all the information from NANO to pastebin. |
| 00:53.39 | somiaj | AR45: I just want to make sure you are using the intel driver. |
| 00:53.42 | somiaj | !pastebinit |
| 00:53.43 | dpkg | pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" users, you must "pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net" or configure pastebinit to use something other than pastebin.com. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>. |
| 00:53.55 | nurupo | now, someone remind me in a month to sudo mv /etc/apt/sources.list-testing /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 00:54.04 | somiaj | AR45: you can also tell paste.debian.org a file, so goto that website, select your log file, upload it |
| 00:54.26 | somiaj | nurupo: remind yourself, and use 'stretch' over 'testing' when you decided it is safe enough for you. |
| 00:54.51 | nurupo | somiaj: well, i thought i'd always stay on testing |
| 00:55.02 | nurupo | but you kind of scared me :) |
| 00:55.02 | AR45 | somiaj: http://paste.debian.net/168916/ |
| 00:55.35 | nurupo | especially with this being my main system and exams with projects due dates coming in a week |
| 00:55.53 | somiaj | nurupo: reason I suggest this, is upgrading from one stable to testing (or from stable to the next stable) should be done when you are ready, not just one day when you run apt-get upgrade and it happens. |
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| 00:57.44 | d3fault_ | is it too late to make a feature request for jessie? |
| 00:57.58 | dontknow | AR45, jessie uses UXA acceleration by default. i would try to use SNA accel. first. it also gives more performance. |
| 00:58.02 | somiaj | AR45: looks like it correctly loaded drivers for your hd4600 |
| 00:58.07 | dontknow | i use SNA by default |
| 00:58.08 | somiaj | d3fault_: it was to late after the freeze. |
| 00:58.35 | d3fault_ | somiaj lol ik was kidding. "transferring images to final location" |
| 00:58.55 | dontknow | AR45, create "/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf" |
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| 00:59.02 | somiaj | AR45: if it isn't correctly detecting the resolution of your monintor might be an EDID issue with your monintor. But two things I want you to check. look at 'dmesg | grep firmware' -- do you see any errors about failed to load firwamre. |
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| 00:59.28 | nurupo | that libreoffice security update |
| 00:59.36 | debian1 | Hello |
| 00:59.36 | cantwaitnolonger | is it out yet? |
| 00:59.37 | somiaj | AR45: and then look at the output of 'xrandr -q' this should tell you about the monintor and resolutions supported. My guess is it won't give you all resolutions because of an error reading the EDID |
| 00:59.38 | nurupo | 24 or so packages affected, huh |
| 00:59.55 | debian1 | does hybrid mean that its a livecd with installer? |
| 01:00.06 | cantwaitnolonger | has Jessie been released? |
| 01:00.10 | cantwaitnolonger | #FREEJESSIE |
| 01:00.16 | debian1 | Also, whats the difference between standard and the xfce? |
| 01:00.20 | AR45 | dontknow: Okay I will work with somiaj since he's going into more detail and if it doesn't work I can try your method. |
| 01:00.31 | dontknow | AR45, and paste this inside it https://paste.debian.net/168917/ |
| 01:00.50 | debian1 | cantwaitnolonger: yes |
| 01:00.51 | debian1 | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.0.0-live/amd64/bt-hybrid/ |
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| 01:01.16 | somiaj | AR45: I would listen to dontknow, he may have more experince with intel hardware. I use nvidia only on my systems. |
| 01:01.16 | debian596 | cantwaitnolonger: yes it was |
| 01:01.23 | debian1 | does anyone know the difference between standard and the xfce iso? |
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| 01:01.39 | cantwaitnolonger | debian1: debian596 :-) |
| 01:02.02 | somiaj | AR45: but the driver is loading correctly for your card, could be it needs firmware, could be you need to write an xorg.conf.d/ file to use a custom modeline, or use a different gl acceleration (I don't know about this since I use non-free drivers) |
| 01:02.25 | AR45 | somiaj: http://paste.debian.net/168919/ |
| 01:02.29 | somiaj | debian1: one will default to xfce and include xfce packages, the other defaults to gnome and includes gnome packges if you want a desktop. |
| 01:02.50 | AR45 | somiaj: When I was install debian it said your hardware requires propetiary firmware please insert now. |
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| 01:02.56 | AR45 | somiaj: I think this was it |
| 01:02.59 | debian1 | somiaj: is the standard gnome? Didnt Debian change to xfce? |
| 01:03.03 | somiaj | AR45: well you do need to install some non-free firmware for your r8169 card if you want it, but I don't see any needed for your intel card. |
| 01:03.21 | somiaj | debian1: debian provides you the choice of what DE you want. If you don't make that choice, gnome is still the default. |
| 01:03.38 | somiaj | AR45: now xrandr -q |
| 01:03.43 | AR45 | somiaj: I'm not sure what my r8169 card is. |
| 01:04.01 | somiaj | AR45: ethernet card. Realtek something or other. |
| 01:04.21 | debian1 | somiaj: So the xfce livecd only uses xfce for the live session but when i want to install it, it asks me which one i ant? |
| 01:04.25 | AR45 | somiaj: http://paste.debian.net/168925/ |
| 01:04.32 | dontknow | AR45, it is ethernet card. i have similar model gave me same error but it works. you don't need to install any driver for that, just ignore |
| 01:05.02 | somiaj | AR45: install firmware-realtek from non-free if you want to use that network card. |
| 01:05.18 | dontknow | somiaj, no |
| 01:05.21 | somiaj | probabaly to get advanced features you'll need the firmware. It is nice to know it works without it. (: |
| 01:05.29 | dontknow | somiaj, it doesn't require non-free firmware |
| 01:05.44 | dontknow | somiaj, i only have main repo and it works |
| 01:05.56 | somiaj | dontknow: and he is on the internet, so I was surprised. |
| 01:06.06 | AR45 | This is my first build |
| 01:06.13 | somiaj | you may be missing some features, and I would install firmware, but that is just me |
| 01:06.37 | AR45 | I have SSD and HDD but currently installed on the SSD not sure how to do it the correct way. |
| 01:06.43 | somiaj | AR45: and you are sure your moinitor supports over 1024x768? |
| 01:06.47 | dontknow | somiaj, yes it must be for some "advanced" features that would make no difference probably :D |
| 01:06.49 | andril | hello |
| 01:06.56 | AR45 | somiaj: Yes my monitor is 1600x900. |
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| 01:07.33 | somiaj | AR45: I would go it isn't reading the EDID of your monintor correctly and now you have to write a csutom Modeline. I have to take my wife to her bithday dinner, so you are on your own for this. |
| 01:07.38 | ctmjr | yea and every time you do anything with apt you get spammed with possible missing firmware messages |
| 01:07.43 | andril | does disc 2 and disc 3 make a difference if used during install? |
| 01:07.54 | somiaj | but that is what I think is going on, you need to write a custom Modeline for that resolution to force it since it isn't being detected. |
| 01:08.07 | somiaj | andril: only if you want packages off that and don't want to use internet sources. |
| 01:08.25 | somiaj | andril: you can get away with the minimial netinstall cd and install everything off the net. So choice is what do you need/want. |
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| 01:08.42 | somiaj | andril: in most cases, cd1 is fine, then use the internet to install any additional software. |
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| 01:09.16 | andril | somiaj, thanks DVD 1 it is :) |
| 01:10.24 | somiaj | andril: if you plan to just install most stuff from the internet, I would suggest saving the mirrors at the time, grab netinstall or just dist-upgrade your wheezy install if you have one. (: |
| 01:10.24 | cafuego | Or the netboot iso or business card one |
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| 01:10.43 | somiaj | I suggest netinstall over netboot, netinstall contains a minimial install just in case you have internet issues during the install. |
| 01:10.53 | cafuego | netinstall is what i meant :-) |
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| 01:11.26 | somiaj | cafuego: netinstall is a bit to big for a businees card CD. |
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| 01:12.17 | AR45_ | So I change my VGA cable and it loads at the right resolution -.- |
| 01:13.24 | somiaj | AR45: hmm, wouldn't have thought of that, but maybe it was blocking the full capabilities from being reported. |
| 01:14.32 | dontknow | i don't know why jessie uses UXA accel instead of SNA for intel |
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| 01:15.44 | dontknow | i realized it was using UXA after mpv crash whenever it gets full screen |
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| 01:16.32 | dontknow | so changing it to SNA fixed it |
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| 01:17.17 | andril | somiaj, understood thanks |
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| 01:21.30 | Waxhead | Congratulations on the release! |
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| 01:24.32 | AR45 | https://wiki.debian.org/Multi%20HDD/SSD%20Partition%20Scheme |
| 01:24.35 | AR45 | How daunting! |
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| 01:28.51 | DcDeathscythe | I had Debian Jessie installed, with hypervisor Xen 4.4 installed on my quad core phenom system, windows 7 installed in a domU, all I needed to do was a gfx passthrough. My system unfortunately doesn't have IOMMU. Is it possible to enable this software side in the kernel to do this, i was noticing this in one of the kernel.org x86_64 boot options documents I was reading. |
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| 01:49.01 | Zerock | Any word on the Jessie release? |
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| 01:49.22 | mitfree | I heard there was a party. |
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| 01:50.54 | neurosis- | gone-------- dead link |
| 01:50.57 | gone-------- | i've encountered some sort of issue on every install so far |
| 01:51.02 | gone-------- | weird they removed it? |
| 01:51.13 | gone-------- | why... |
| 01:52.40 | Yukiteru | gone--------: just now I'm installing debian 8 from official netinst iso |
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| 02:05.33 | hpekdemir | welcome debian jessie. |
| 02:05.53 | hpekdemir | big THANKS to all contributing and the debian team! |
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| 02:09.25 | d3fault_ | why come there's no 'standard' (no X) non-live release? |
| 02:09.35 | Yukiteru | hpekdemir: i'm installing just now a VM with Debian 8 |
| 02:10.22 | Yukiteru | d3fault_: download the netinst iso |
| 02:10.33 | jelly | d3fault_: probably because you can use any installer image to install without X |
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| 02:12.28 | d3fault_ | jelly, then why is there a 'standard' live release? you can use any installer image to boot without X also |
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| 02:13.02 | jelly | d3fault_: because it's smaller |
| 02:13.22 | d3fault_ | exactly why there should be a 'standard' non-live release! |
| 02:14.10 | jelly | d3fault_: netinst is already there as the small d-i image. |
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| 02:14.38 | d3fault_ | requires inet though, whole different beast |
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| 02:15.08 | jelly | d3fault_: I don't think there's too many people who both want to install standard task but have to do it offline and absolutely can't use say the gnome cd-1 image. |
| 02:16.42 | d3fault_ | jelly, i'm just thinking for saving debian's banwdith. it's just strange that the live and non-live releases aren't 1:1 i guess |
| 02:17.08 | jelly | d3fault_: you're solving a non-issue, debian has enough bandwidth |
| 02:17.56 | d3fault_ | debian wheezy was good enough. |
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| 02:20.33 | neurosis- | can we just do apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 02:25.45 | TengokuNoIsan | Anyone here familiar with HAProxy? |
| 02:26.26 | jelly | if not, the people in #haproxy channel might be |
| 02:26.35 | TengokuNoIsan | oooh ty :D |
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| 02:30.20 | d3fault_ | neurosis-, the torrent works now :-D |
| 02:30.31 | jvava | if docker must link a running container, how do i start a cluster linking each other |
| 02:30.47 | neurosis- | d3fault_ thanks |
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| 02:33.12 | Yukiteru | 6.039 seconds booting debian 8 with / in btrfs, /home in xfs over KVM |
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| 02:33.21 | Yukiteru | not bad! :) |
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| 02:34.39 | aypea[2] | has anyone customised the look of lightdm? wondering how to change the look of the top panel and login. background was easy enough. |
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| 02:38.02 | xar- | does jessie have systemd? |
| 02:38.12 | aypea[2] | yes |
| 02:38.23 | aypea[2] | by default. can be replaced later. |
| 02:38.26 | xar- | I just got an email from the debian announce list that it was released |
| 02:38.53 | aypea[2] | ooo |
| 02:39.05 | xar- | I don't know much about init systems in general, but systemd seems to have generated a lot of hype, what should I expect will be changing as a run-of-the-mill sysad? |
| 02:39.17 | xar- | compared to wheezy which im running righ tnow |
| 02:39.26 | xar- | s/righ t now/right now/ |
| 02:39.59 | xar- | better yet, is there a wiki page that lists the differences between the two? |
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| 02:40.26 | aypea[2] | xar: if you're not fondling the system's undergradments all you'll probably notice is faster boot times. |
| 02:41.00 | deego` | yes, don't fondle the system's privates, please. |
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| 02:41.21 | aypea[2] | xar: if you are fondling here and there then you'll have to deal with an all new set of dangly bits :) |
| 02:41.28 | xar- | alright |
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| 02:42.02 | xar- | it's a shame there aren't two flavors of debian 8, I really like debian but I have literally zero training with systemd |
| 02:42.09 | xar- | so $SCARY |
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| 02:42.30 | aypea[2] | xar: there was a time where you had no training with wheezy's setup and you delt. |
| 02:42.40 | ryouma | does crontab still work? |
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| 02:42.53 | gone-------- | did they put the jessie images back up? |
| 02:42.53 | xar- | i delt cuz google is amazing |
| 02:42.55 | xar- | lol |
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| 02:43.17 | aypea[2] | xar: :) still is. lots of ppl will be asking questions and finding answers :) |
| 02:43.38 | xar- | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.8.0/amd64/iso-dvd/ <--- 404 |
| 02:43.39 | xar- | derp |
| 02:43.46 | aypea[2] | ryouma: well it's installed. have not had a reason to use it on my laptop |
| 02:43.50 | deego | xar-: reading this should provide some ease of mind, http://blog.jorgenschaefer.de/2014/07/why-systemd.html ... not that I am myself /in/ the systemd camp |
| 02:44.13 | xar- | well im not trying to start a war or anything, again im just a piss-poort sysad with no training lol |
| 02:44.29 | xar- | who do I have to yell at to fix that 404 |
| 02:44.31 | xar- | :) |
| 02:44.41 | deego | xar-: exactly, and ditto. That's why reading that provided /me/ some peace of mind |
| 02:44.42 | aypea[2] | xar: grab a netinstall image. |
| 02:44.48 | gone-------- | i guess just change your sources to jessie |
| 02:44.56 | aypea[2] | xar: it'll work just as well and you'll only download the packages you need |
| 02:44.58 | gone-------- | i grabbed the image a few hours ago without issues |
| 02:45.10 | aypea[2] | xar: assuming you want to do a fresh install. |
| 02:45.27 | xar- | yea I do, fresh install plz |
| 02:45.38 | aypea[2] | xar: netinstall, then |
| 02:45.47 | aypea[2] | xar: 250MB or so download and you're set |
| 02:45.56 | xar- | ok |
| 02:45.58 | aypea[2] | (well + whatever packages you need) |
| 02:46.09 | aypea[2] | but that's automatic as you install |
| 02:46.20 | xar- | US link? |
| 02:46.22 | gone-------- | anyone have a guide on how to safely remove systemd and use init instead without breaking jessie? |
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| 02:46.53 | aypea[2] | xar: mirrors.kernel.org? |
| 02:47.01 | xar- | man im just getting lots of 404s right now |
| 02:47.05 | xar- | weird |
| 02:47.07 | aypea[2] | xar: doesn't seem to have jessie yet |
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| 02:48.03 | gone-------- | http://www.reddit.com/r/debian/comments/33vmqp/debian_800_torrents_are_up/ |
| 02:48.07 | gone-------- | what about torrenting it? |
| 02:48.12 | xar- | $ curl -I http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.8.0/amd64/bt-dvd/ |
| 02:48.13 | xar- | HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found |
| 02:48.16 | xar- | :S |
| 02:48.23 | gone-------- | I rather downloading from debian.org to be safe but maybe that's satisfactory |
| 02:48.29 | gone-------- | -i rather be downloading it |
| 02:48.36 | xar- | i'd prefer http, I forgot how to use rtorrent, been years |
| 02:48.44 | jelly | gone--------: using sysvinit is documented in jessie release notes |
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| 02:49.06 | aypea[2] | xar: http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian-cd/7.8.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-7.8.0-amd64-netinst.iso if you want wheezy |
| 02:49.15 | gone-------- | ah |
| 02:49.16 | gone-------- | "One can of course also do this after the first boot by installing the sysvinit-core package. |
| 02:49.16 | gone-------- | " |
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| 02:49.28 | gone-------- | hopefully that doesn't break my machine after installing the package |
| 02:49.36 | gone-------- | don't I need to apt-get remove systemd? |
| 02:50.03 | aypea[2] | xar: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.0.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-8.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso if you want jessie |
| 02:50.03 | xar- | 7.8 is wheezy? no i want jessie |
| 02:50.10 | xar- | ah ok, thank you |
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| 02:50.17 | jelly | !jessie sysvinit |
| 02:50.17 | dpkg | To use an init system other than systemd in jessie, install the systemd-shim package (for logind) and remove the systemd-sysv package: aptitude install systemd-shim sysvinit-core systemd-sysv-. To stick with sysvinit for wheezy->jessie upgrades, follow the pinning advice in the release notes: http://deb.li/30Kby |
| 02:50.19 | jelly | gone--------: ^^ |
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| 02:50.40 | gone-------- | thanks |
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| 02:50.53 | ins3 | Hi, I am looking to update my server to jessie, however it wants reo move mariadb and mysql, not sure why? I am using them for my site. http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=9Yv5rMym |
| 02:51.04 | ins3 | remove* |
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| 02:51.36 | jelly | ins3: did other steps before dist-upgrade work without issues? |
| 02:51.49 | ins3 | uhhhh.. what steps? |
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| 02:52.12 | jelly | ins3: upgrade steps from wheezy to jessie from the release notes |
| 02:52.29 | ins3 | I did not |
| 02:52.38 | xar- | ins3: according to the release notes, mariadb is the new shiny-ness |
| 02:52.52 | xar- | * MariaDB 10.0.16 and MySQL 5.5.42 |
| 02:52.57 | jelly | ins3: all sorts of trouble can happen if you do it some other ad-hoc way |
| 02:53.17 | ins3 | so it'll install a new version of mysql and mariadb afterwards? |
| 02:53.22 | jelly | !jessie release notes |
| 02:53.22 | dpkg | Release notes for Debian 8 "Jessie" are at http://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/releasenotes . See also <wheezy->jessie>, <jessie install guide> |
| 02:53.39 | neurosis- | ins3 backup your db |
| 02:53.52 | jelly | ins3: read those, esp. https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 02:54.03 | ins3 | will do, thanks |
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| 02:55.02 | jelly | ,v mariadb-server |
| 02:55.03 | judd | Package: mariadb-server on amd64 -- sid: 10.0.16-1; jessie: 10.0.16-1; stretch: 10.0.16-1; sid: 10.0.17-1 |
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| 02:55.26 | jelly | ,v mariadb-server-core-5.5 |
| 02:55.27 | judd | No package named 'mariadb-server-core-5.5' was found in amd64. |
| 02:55.42 | aypea[2] | grumbles and pokes lightdm. :/ |
| 02:55.43 | jelly | ins3: some of the packages you have do not seem to come from Debian |
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| 03:00.04 | ins3 | oh yeah |
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| 03:00.51 | ins3 | http://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/mariadb/repo/5.5/debian/ |
| 03:00.54 | ins3 | is the repo where I got mariadb |
| 03:01.01 | ins3 | it's in the debian repo in jessie? |
| 03:01.50 | jelly | there is a mariadb-server in jessie, yes, but it's version 10.0.16 and who knows how it might interact with your third-party packages |
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| 03:02.18 | jelly | if possible get rid of third-party packages before doing the upgrade procedure |
| 03:02.29 | ins3 | i'll just spin up another server as a sandbox |
| 03:02.31 | ins3 | to see how it goes |
| 03:02.37 | ins3 | thank god for linode |
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| 03:06.28 | aypea[2] | goddamn it this is frustrating. htf do I makte the gtk apps a different kind of ugly. |
| 03:06.52 | deego | ;-) |
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| 03:07.38 | aypea[2] | it's just horrible in whatever default theme it is in |
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| 03:10.20 | somiaj | aypea[2]: install some gtk 'engines' and then choose one you like. I like the smooth engines. |
| 03:10.26 | somiaj | aypea[2]: are you talking gtk2 or gtk3? |
| 03:10.30 | hpekdemir | any idea how to realize a dynamic dns lookup without static A record entries? |
| 03:10.59 | somiaj | hpekdemir: so you want to basically function like a dynamic dns? |
| 03:11.07 | hpekdemir | somiaj: yes. |
| 03:11.11 | somiaj | hpekdemir: or do y ou just want to use a dynamic dns? |
| 03:11.27 | hpekdemir | no. dynamic dns for my internal network |
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| 03:11.54 | somiaj | hpekdemir: https://wiki.debian.org/DDNS -- something like that? |
| 03:12.12 | hpekdemir | the basic idea is to be able to spawn a vm (xen, whatever) and just to be able to say "ssh mynewhostname". |
| 03:12.26 | hpekdemir | no matter how which tools I need to do this. |
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| 03:12.40 | Akuw | i have a server with grub error 15 |
| 03:13.10 | Akuw | is there any doc about rescue disk and how to mount partitions once rescue disk is boot |
| 03:13.21 | somiaj | hpekdemir: basically you just need something that lets you dhcp server update the dns as machiens come online and get an ip (that link I gave you describes that). The other method is to have the machine report its ip to the dns server after it is brought up. I think the first would be more to your liking. |
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| 03:13.46 | somiaj | Akuw: all debian install images can function as a rescue disc. |
| 03:13.48 | somiaj | !fixmbr |
| 03:13.49 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
| 03:14.02 | somiaj | Akuw: there are some generic instructions on what things to mount, then chroot into to fix your system) |
| 03:14.39 | hpekdemir | somiaj: the first one is good. but wants me to have a dhcp server. I would take the latter: I would provide the information about my IP after spawning my VM |
| 03:15.06 | Akuw | somiaj: any documentation? |
| 03:15.07 | hpekdemir | how can I report to a dns server and without reloading the dns server (bind, tinydns, whatever). adhoc |
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| 03:15.56 | somiaj | hpekdemir: I'm unsure how dyndns do this |
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| 03:16.13 | jelly | somiaj: http API |
| 03:16.34 | jelly | and unknown backend |
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| 03:16.42 | hpekdemir | jelly: the backend would be nice to know |
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| 03:16.55 | tuv0k | jessie's kde image has which version of KDE? |
| 03:17.08 | somiaj | tuv0k: its still 4. something. |
| 03:17.10 | somiaj | ,v kde |
| 03:17.11 | judd | Package: kde on amd64 -- squeeze: 5:66 |
| 03:17.14 | somiaj | ,v kde4 |
| 03:17.15 | judd | No package named 'kde4' was found in amd64. |
| 03:17.19 | tuv0k | and is plasma 5x available at all? |
| 03:17.25 | jelly | tuv0k: 4.14-ish, no 5 |
| 03:17.32 | tuv0k | thx |
| 03:17.33 | somiaj | ,v kde-baseapps-bin |
| 03:17.34 | judd | Package: kde-baseapps-bin on amd64 -- wheezy: 4:4.8.4-2; jessie: 4:4.14.2-1; sid: 4:4.14.2-1; stretch: 4:4.14.2-1; experimental: 4:14.12.3-1 |
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| 03:28.22 | nurupo | why does it mention 16 architectures? https://identi.ca/debian/note/xvtnA2RTTCqbpOoteQ4eKA |
| 03:28.36 | nurupo | there are only 11 or so available for Jessie |
| 03:28.47 | nurupo | and overall Debian has been on 20 or so arches |
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| 03:29.36 | nurupo | 26, even |
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| 03:31.18 | Roberth1990 | nurupo: well they are wrong about 16 archs sure, but they probably meant to write 11 |
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| 03:31.36 | Roberth1990 | and it is abotu which ones which jessie supports |
| 03:34.13 | aypea[2] | well I kludged the gdm3 theme file to get my preferred background and the only thing I can say is that the debian swirl is rather seriously inappropriately located now. :) |
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| 03:36.11 | ungguy | wow 8 is out |
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| 03:36.40 | somiaj | nurupo: well what are these 4 releases? Maybe it is the number of arches in the last 4 releases. |
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| 03:37.08 | nurupo | cryptinc messages are cryptic |
| 03:37.20 | nurupo | *cryptic |
| 03:37.49 | Akuw | how to see SAS array from rescue disk? |
| 03:37.53 | aypea[2] | hmmm. changing that is not that easy. i don't think that the debian swirl belongs right below the crotch and between the legs of a cartoon character, dangling like an unwelcome red comma, is a good look. |
| 03:38.15 | xar- | so I got some food, came back, the links have changed; so to confirm, I only need CD-1.iso? |
| 03:38.38 | somiaj | xar-: you can get away with the even smaller netisntall. But yes |
| 03:38.51 | xar- | netinst has the basic toolchain and ssh? |
| 03:39.02 | ungguy | is copytoram supported in the live iso? |
| 03:40.01 | hassoon_wins | debian 8 released yesterday? :) |
| 03:40.02 | somiaj | xar-: the net install cd does contain a minimial base system so you don't have to be on the network. I don't think ssh is part of that minimial system. |
| 03:40.34 | somiaj | hassoon_wins: depending on timezone, it has been the discussion for the last many hours as the iso's were made and things started rolling over on the mirrors. |
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| 03:41.32 | hassoon_wins | somiaj: yep, i see the debian 8 iso n the official site :) |
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| 03:45.59 | aypea[2] | xar-: ssh is. you can do a remote install after a point. |
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| 03:46.32 | aypea[2] | xar-: you alsk get a chance to select 'tasks' to install a whole lot of s/w in one hit or just a minimal set and go your own way. |
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| 03:51.34 | superfast | omg Debian Jessie is out there |
| 03:51.41 | superfast | so Gnome is still the default? |
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| 03:54.01 | somiaj | superfast: as much as there is a default. You can easily install any desktop you want. And debian provides xfce, kde and lxde installation images |
| 03:54.43 | superfast | Would Intel i3-4130 with HD 4400 graphics and 4GB ddr3 ram be enough to run Gnome at pace? |
| 03:55.42 | superfast | I use old HDD though and not a SSD |
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| 03:56.19 | somiaj | I think so |
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| 03:58.27 | aypea[2] | somiaj: if I remember right, netinstaller default to gnome only. no idea why as it should be no issue to allow the other desktop tasks in the list. |
| 03:59.00 | somiaj | aypea[2]: in wheezy you could choose the 'default' during the boot prompt. I was told this was moved back to tasksel, but I haven't tested |
| 03:59.20 | somiaj | aypea[2]: but you can choose what the 'desktop enviroment' task installs at the end. If you dont make a choice, gnome is default. |
| 03:59.31 | superfast | somiaj, wow we have libreoffice 4.3.x |
| 03:59.49 | superfast | Trisquel 7 has 4.2.x |
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| 04:02.03 | shay_shay | does anyone know if i'm supposed to upgrade/dist-upgrade a persistent grml system? |
| 04:03.17 | somiaj | shay_shay: what do you mean? You have a grml system with wheezy and want to upgrade to jessie? Does grml provided jessie packages yet? |
| 04:03.43 | somiaj | shay_shay: though wouldn't it be better to ask #grml |
| 04:03.47 | somiaj | !grml |
| 04:03.47 | dpkg | grml is a bootable CD (Live CD) originally <based on> Knoppix, now Debian. It includes a collection of GNU/Linux software especially for users of text tools and system administrators. It can be used as a rescue system, for analyzing systems/networks or as a working environment. http://grml.org/ #grml on irc.freenode.net. |
| 04:04.11 | shay_shay | somiaj: sorry i thought i was in #debian-offtopic |
| 04:04.13 | somiaj | shay_shay: rember the difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade is if you allow apt to be able to install new packages or remove old packages to satsify dependencies. |
| 04:05.04 | shay_shay | somiaj: or i at least told myself to change to the #debian-offtopic buffer before i asked that non-support question, but I forgot :) |
| 04:08.53 | shay_shay | somiaj: if you're curious about what grml uses in its sources.list: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/0d4b2e30e2e28b93a6dd |
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| 04:12.56 | dioz | upgraded to jessie. using nvidia drivers. can't load into gnome3, gnome classic works |
| 04:13.04 | dioz | gnome3 just shows the background image with no menus |
| 04:13.20 | svetlana | would check ~/Xerror (sp?) for details |
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| 04:25.55 | N3X15 | http://hastebin.com/ohokagixom.txt Getting 403s on ftp.us.debian.org. |
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| 04:27.52 | cheapie | Yeah... my attempts to install Debian are giving me errors too... |
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| 04:28.07 | cheapie | (switched to a different mirror, working now) |
| 04:28.22 | cheapie | Probably the same as N3X15's problem. |
| 04:28.35 | N3X15 | Just wanted to be sure that it's not a security issue or something |
| 04:29.12 | cheapie | I just picked the mirrors.kernel.org mirror, and that worked for me. |
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| 04:34.07 | N3X15 | Yeah. Was going to do netselect out of laziness, but it started screaming about it being unsigned, so I changed my mind. |
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| 04:46.16 | soundtoxin | something strange happened and my aliases don't work in a fresh terminal |
| 04:46.19 | soundtoxin | if I run "bash" they work |
| 04:46.28 | soundtoxin | I checked /etc/passwd and my default shell is still bash |
| 04:46.32 | soundtoxin | any ideas? |
| 04:46.54 | somiaj | soundtoxin: do you put your aliases in .bashrc or .bash_profile, I think there are instructions about when one is loaded vs another. |
| 04:47.08 | soundtoxin | I put them in .bashrc |
| 04:47.51 | somiaj | .bashrc is only used for non-login shells. I put a 'source ~/.bashrc' in my .bash_profile, that I think gets read each time |
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| 04:49.27 | somiaj | #bash may know more details about where is the best place, but login-shells source .bash_profile and no-login shells source .bashrc, so I just source one from the other for uniform behavior |
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| 04:54.46 | shay_shay | its in man bash |
| 04:54.56 | shay_shay | evocation section |
| 04:55.31 | shay_shay | invocation |
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| 04:59.12 | acherion | hey guys, trying to upgrade mysql on my debian server, but I keep getting things like "error creating symbolic link `./usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libtasn1.so.3': Invalid argument" in terminal. Looks like apt-get is choking on replacing libtasn1-3, libcurl3, libmysqlclient18, libx11, libxrender, etc. I get errors on these which are all error creating symbolic link, and I am sudoing my apt-get too so I don't think it's permissions issues. |
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| 05:03.08 | soundtoxin | somiaj: maybe I forgot to mention, but my aliases worked before today |
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| 05:03.22 | soundtoxin | this is strange behavior, I am not complaining about how bash works |
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| 05:03.52 | Rusty1 | acherion: try using aptitude instead of apt-get? |
| 05:04.03 | acherion | Rusty1: I'll give that a shot. |
| 05:04.41 | somiaj | soundtoxin: I'm just describing what I see happening. |
| 05:05.06 | leftist | morning. has anyone installed debain on a acer c720 chromebook? |
| 05:05.08 | soundtoxin | somiaj: before today I opened a terminal and all my aliases worked flawlessly |
| 05:05.17 | somiaj | opening a terminal is not a login shell |
| 05:05.25 | somiaj | this is different then loging into a new shell on a terminal |
| 05:05.42 | somiaj | (actually maybe it is, I always get confused, I just fixed this a while aog |
| 05:05.44 | AR45 | somiaj: Hey the problem was the VGA cable I was using. Who would have known. |
| 05:05.58 | somiaj | AR45: yea I saw that, that could explain why the EDID couldn't be read correctly |
| 05:06.17 | acherion | Rusty1: still have the same errors. |
| 05:06.40 | soundtoxin | somiaj: okay well I'm going to avoid terms such as login shell to prevent confusion |
| 05:06.45 | AR45 | Does anyone know which code editors are in the main repo? |
| 05:07.24 | somiaj | soundtoxin: anyways I source my .bashrc from my .bash_profile, instead of trying to figure out why it no longer works, try that suggestion. |
| 05:07.24 | soundtoxin | somiaj: the most recent change I did that likely caused this was something from this page: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/unix-linux-bash-history-display-date-time/ |
| 05:07.34 | soundtoxin | that's an awful idea |
| 05:07.57 | soundtoxin | I believe the exact command I ran was $ echo 'export HISTTIMEFORMAT="%d/%m/%y %T "' >> ~/.bash_profile |
| 05:08.02 | soundtoxin | and ever since it's screwed up |
| 05:08.11 | soundtoxin | I can't remember if I've rebooted since then |
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| 05:43.21 | Risk_LTU | Hello, I have heard about live cd's. Is it possible tu run it from usb flash device without installing in the system and use system recources like HDD? |
| 05:44.00 | Risk_LTU | *resources |
| 05:44.30 | soundtoxin | yes |
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| 05:45.34 | Risk_LTU | soundtoxin: thanks :) |
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| 05:49.23 | internat | i hate you guys.. :( just build 5 servers yesterday. then jesse came out today :( makes me sad panda. |
| 05:49.31 | internat | Congrats on the release though :) |
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| 05:50.00 | svetlana | :) |
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| 05:53.42 | keltim | god, jessie is 43,000 packages! |
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| 05:54.49 | viscera | keltim: count source packages |
| 05:55.06 | keltim | ok about half that |
| 05:55.19 | keltim | still ... |
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| 06:03.58 | shay_shay | Risk_LTU: then that was pretty silly of you not to use the RC3 netinstaller |
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| 06:17.53 | jasabella | anyone familiar with laptops? specifically, are there any hardware issues when booting debian off a secondary hdd on a msata connection? |
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| 06:21.03 | keltim | jasabella, should not matter, so long as your bootloader (or bios/uefi) can boot to it |
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| 06:23.40 | jasabella | oh ok |
| 06:23.41 | jasabella | cool |
| 06:23.56 | jasabella | i'm pondering whehter to put windows or debian on the secondary hdd hmmm |
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| 06:25.28 | cousin_luigi | Greetings. |
| 06:25.35 | AlexLikeRock | o/ |
| 06:25.38 | cousin_luigi | Is the DVD image also distributed by torrent? |
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| 06:26.13 | cousin_luigi | oh nevermind, found the link |
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| 06:26.13 | cousin_luigi | bbl |
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| 06:26.25 | *** topic/#debian by themill -> Debian 8 Jessie released! /msg dpkg jessie ; /msg dpkg wheezy->jessie ; /msg dpkg install jessie | current point releases: /msg dpkg 8.0; /msg dpkg 7.8 | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg paste | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | testing/unstable: #debian-next (irc.oftc.net) | chanlogs: /msg dpkg irclog |
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| 06:33.09 | Linnak | hi, what is the easyest method to have openbox on debian. as i see there is no iso with default openbox. is it good to go with netinstall? |
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| 06:35.19 | themill | Linnak: you can always just install the packages you want after finishing the installation |
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| 06:36.04 | Linnak | but if i don't want two desktop environments or wm at the same time and don't want to remove one, that what's the solution? |
| 06:36.16 | Linnak | that=than |
| 06:36.41 | themill | eh? |
| 06:37.05 | cheapie | Linnak: Don't install any DE during the installation, then. |
| 06:37.15 | Linnak | ok |
| 06:37.19 | cheapie | (uncheck "Debian desktop environment") |
| 06:37.24 | Linnak | right |
| 06:37.26 | Linnak | thanks |
| 06:39.08 | Linnak | so then netinst or standard ISO? |
| 06:39.33 | keltim | Linnak, std ISO is easier to deal with |
| 06:39.45 | jasabella | Linnak... netinst then apt-get xorg and openbox packages :) |
| 06:39.54 | keltim | Linnak, of course you can choose your own xdm or none as well |
| 06:39.57 | Linnak | jasabella thank you |
| 06:40.43 | jasabella | then echo "exec openbox" >~/.xsession |
| 06:40.55 | jasabella | startx and you're "set" |
| 06:41.03 | Linnak | yes. ok |
| 06:41.53 | jasabella | install nitrogen if you want wallpaper :) |
| 06:42.03 | Linnak | ok |
| 06:42.08 | jasabella | jessie is outtt :D woo |
| 06:42.13 | Linnak | i know |
| 06:42.17 | jasabella | ya it's ultraspartan just so you know |
| 06:42.47 | Linnak | ultraspartan? |
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| 06:43.01 | jasabella | as in, you get next to no UI |
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| 06:43.20 | jasabella | you will need to right lcick the desktop and all that, but you get to build everything yourself :) |
| 06:43.25 | Linnak | I installed arch and freebsd so not a big deal |
| 06:43.44 | syco_ | haaa ... so that's what they are preparing for win10 ? ultra spartan ? |
| 06:43.46 | syco_ | =) |
| 06:44.08 | jasabella | okie, as long as yo know what you're in for :D |
| 06:45.05 | Linnak | i just asked because I thought in one of the installer isos maybe there is openbox option. |
| 06:45.09 | jasabella | i wonder if i'll break my system if i update to jessie |
| 06:45.17 | jasabella | lxde uses openbox by default |
| 06:45.20 | jasabella | is pretty lightweight |
| 06:45.23 | jasabella | i'm on it right now :) |
| 06:45.30 | Linnak | yeah you are right |
| 06:45.41 | jasabella | xfce has its own window manager, but has too many dependencies for my liking |
| 06:45.42 | jasabella | e.g. orage |
| 06:46.15 | Linnak | i like only kde but yesterday i was very courious about openbox so I give it a try |
| 06:46.26 | jasabella | kde is as heavy as they come! |
| 06:46.31 | Linnak | i know |
| 06:46.56 | Linnak | but look like a DE should look in 2015 and I can customize however I want |
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| 06:47.36 | jasabella | if you dont mind going testing (or at least experimenting wiht it) you can give e17 a go :D |
| 06:47.48 | syco_ | e19 even |
| 06:47.55 | jasabella | is e19 in testing? |
| 06:48.00 | Linnak | never heard about it. some suggested me awm and i3 |
| 06:48.02 | jasabella | wasnt the last time i searched |
| 06:48.13 | syco_ | but you have to compile it ... no packages |
| 06:48.23 | Linnak | no problem |
| 06:48.29 | syco_ | i tryed it several month ago |
| 06:48.33 | syco_ | looked fine |
| 06:48.43 | Linnak | cool |
| 06:49.01 | Linnak | looks prety good |
| 06:49.04 | Linnak | +t |
| 06:49.31 | syco_ | always loved enlightenment :) |
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| 06:53.01 | Linnak | what do you think guys if i install kdenlive on openbox, it will put all kde on my os? |
| 06:53.19 | Linnak | or not all kde apps are that de specific? |
| 06:53.30 | syco_ | kde is heavy |
| 06:55.06 | themill | Linnak: you can use kdenlive on openbox |
| 06:55.40 | Linnak | but it won't install 500MB other KDE elements, right? |
| 06:55.46 | themill | tias |
| 06:56.02 | themill | If you're editing video then some dependencies don't really matter... |
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| 07:00.32 | jasabella | what packages would you recommend to make debian more laptop friendly? |
| 07:00.35 | jasabella | esp. regarding battery life |
| 07:01.57 | Linnak | no idea |
| 07:02.08 | Linnak | i don't use laptop |
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| 07:04.24 | Lope | debina download links broken? https://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.8.0/amd64/iso-cd/ http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.8.0/amd64/iso-dvd/ 404 |
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| 07:05.21 | jasabella | lope... jessie went live |
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| 07:07.53 | Lope | yeah, so surely the download links should point to jessie instead of 404? |
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| 07:08.38 | Lope | oh, sorry. the page was cached in my browser. it is pointing to jessie now. |
| 07:09.53 | Lope | where can I download debian 7.8? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.8.0/amd64/iso-dvd/ is just text files? |
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| 07:11.56 | svetlana | Lope, look again at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/, there is no 7.8.0 there, only 8.0.0 |
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| 07:12.36 | Linnak | svetlana whats wrong with 8.0? |
| 07:13.51 | themill | dpkg: tell Lope about install wheezy |
| 07:14.05 | Lope | found it after a while: http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/7.8.0/amd64/iso-cd/ |
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| 07:21.19 | svetlana | Linnak: ask Lope, maybe s/he troubleshooting something. |
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| 07:27.27 | manous | hello |
| 07:27.42 | manous | my video play but no sound http://paste.debian.net/168725/ |
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| 07:41.55 | at0m | jasabella: laptop-mode-tools |
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| 07:47.09 | manous | http://paste.debian.net/168969/ |
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| 07:56.42 | valdyn | manous: how are you playing that video? |
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| 07:57.33 | manous | valdyn: i use vlc to play |
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| 07:58.00 | valdyn | manous: is pulseaudio running / installed? |
| 07:58.02 | manous | i have image properly but no sound |
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| 07:58.35 | manous | yes |
| 07:58.45 | valdyn | manous: run "pavucontrol" |
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| 07:58.52 | manous | pulseaudio is installed |
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| 08:00.01 | manous | command not found : pavucontrol |
| 08:00.11 | valdyn | manous: install it |
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| 08:00.36 | hiexpo | hola |
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| 08:01.28 | valdyn | manous: see if pulseaudio is not just installed but also running "ps aux | grep pulse" |
| 08:01.48 | sdes | Hello everyone I just upgraded to Jessie and I have a problem: my Wifi doesn't work. I can connect with an ethernet cable though. I'm using a Thinkpad T4OO if that makes anz difference. |
| 08:02.10 | valdyn | sdes: install the firmware package for your wifi chip |
| 08:02.47 | manous | pavucontrol say : * (pavucontrol:8678): WARNING **: Could not open X display |
| 08:03.03 | valdyn | manous: are you trying to run it as root? |
| 08:03.11 | valdyn | manous: that would be wrong |
| 08:03.30 | manous | yeah |
| 08:04.07 | manous | ok i run with simple user |
| 08:04.12 | manous | it's open now |
| 08:04.38 | valdyn | manous: now, when you play a video with sound, you should see that stream in the "Playback" tab |
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| 08:04.53 | hiexpo | gonna be busy |
| 08:05.27 | manous | my audio port output is hdmi |
| 08:05.40 | valdyn | manous: you can change the port in real time |
| 08:05.50 | valdyn | manous: which one is corect though? |
| 08:05.56 | manous | no only this option |
| 08:06.28 | valdyn | manous: do you see the video stream in the Playback tab ? |
| 08:07.37 | manous | no |
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| 08:08.04 | valdyn | manous: then maybe you need to set vlc to use pulseaudio |
| 08:08.06 | manous | sory |
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| 08:08.13 | manous | i see in playback tab |
| 08:08.31 | manous | but no sound |
| 08:08.49 | valdyn | manous: there you can switch output device also |
| 08:08.54 | valdyn | manous: which one do you want? |
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| 08:10.06 | manous | i have audio analogy and audio hdmi |
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| 08:10.15 | manous | i can switch |
| 08:10.23 | manous | but no sound |
| 08:11.17 | sdes | When I do modprobe -r iwlwifi ; modproble iwlwifi it says: FATAl: module iwlwifi is in use. What should I do? |
| 08:11.34 | manous | in output device i see only hdmi unppluged |
| 08:12.03 | valdyn | manous: your audigy does not show in pavuctrool in the "output devices" tab? |
| 08:12.04 | manous | but on playback tab i have analogy and hdmi |
| 08:12.30 | valdyn | manous: or analogy even |
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| 08:13.11 | manous | yeah in output devices only show hdmi unplugged |
| 08:13.21 | valdyn | manous: that makes no sense |
| 08:13.27 | at0m | sdes: lsmod | grep iwlwifi will show modules that depend |
| 08:13.38 | valdyn | manous: maybe you need to scroll down |
| 08:14.11 | sdes | OK I ran that. What can I do with the output? |
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| 08:14.29 | valdyn | manous: in the plaback tab at the stream for vlc you can see the audio output level of vlc |
| 08:14.34 | sdes | Sorry I just don't recogniye any of it |
| 08:14.52 | at0m | sdes: modprobe -r the ones that depend, if you can miss them |
| 08:15.05 | devhell | just wanted to congratulate you all on the release!! :D |
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| 08:16.54 | sdes | This is the output of the command. Which ones are the ones that depend? http://paste.debian.net/168977/ |
| 08:17.18 | at0m | mac80211,iwldvm |
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| 08:17.32 | manous | yeah i see level |
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| 08:17.57 | valdyn | manous: theres a blue bar that jumps depending on current level in the video |
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| 08:18.09 | valdyn | manous: dynamic volume indicator |
| 08:18.27 | manous | yeah i see that |
| 08:18.41 | valdyn | manous: so pulseaudio is getting sound |
| 08:18.50 | manous | ok |
| 08:18.52 | sdes | Okay so I just run modprobe -r iwlwifi,mac8O211,iwldvm exactly? |
| 08:19.01 | at0m | without the ,'s |
| 08:19.16 | sdes | so space instead of ,? |
| 08:19.23 | at0m | yes |
| 08:19.23 | manous | but why i can't ear that |
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| 08:19.28 | valdyn | manous: theres mute buttons in pavucontrol, make sure those are not pressed |
| 08:19.50 | valdyn | manous: at the playback tab and at the output devices tab |
| 08:20.21 | sdes | It gives me the same error as before |
| 08:20.21 | manous | if i press it i see nothing in vlc output level |
| 08:20.36 | valdyn | manous: yea |
| 08:20.40 | valdyn | manous: dont mute it |
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| 08:21.16 | valdyn | manous: ok, from here you have only left to check: the same in "Output devices" and maybe "Configuration", check the profile |
| 08:21.49 | valdyn | manous: how are your speakers connected? |
| 08:23.39 | manous | i use my speaker on laptop |
| 08:23.58 | sdes | atOm should I try the same but without listing iwlwifi? |
| 08:24.27 | valdyn | manous: in alsamixer you can turn up volumes or unmute even more, you can switch devices there with F6 |
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| 08:25.26 | manous | in f6 i can my |
| 08:25.35 | valdyn | manous: finally i remember one case where a laptop had a completely independent hardware volume control on the box |
| 08:25.46 | at0m | sdes: it's in the wrong order, just run again |
| 08:25.49 | manous | but f7 and f8 is to increase or down |
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| 08:26.13 | manous | but f7 and f8 does not run |
| 08:26.14 | valdyn | manous: not here, i use cursor keys in alsamixer |
| 08:26.22 | manous | may be the probelm |
| 08:26.41 | sdes | You mean instead of iwlwifi mac8O211 iwldvm it should be iwldvm mac8O211 iwlwifi? |
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| 08:27.19 | at0m | just try |
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| 08:28.28 | Subhi- | Hi All, I am having a problem since upgrading to 2.4 after upgrading to debian Jessie |
| 08:28.33 | Subhi- | with apache |
| 08:28.43 | Subhi- | I have fixed the "Require all granted to each virtualhost |
| 08:28.50 | Subhi- | but now I am having a strange situation that I can't track down, all the virtual hosts are served from one virtualhost |
| 08:28.56 | Subhi- | so www.domain2.com is being served from www.domain1.com virtualhost |
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| 08:29.02 | Subhi- | along with domain3,4,5 |
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| 08:29.09 | Subhi- | any ideas on how to debug this ? |
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| 08:29.39 | buu | error logs, access logs, run apache in verbose/debug mode, turn on vhost logging |
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| 08:31.06 | manous | valdyn: thanks it's ok now |
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| 08:31.46 | soundtoxin | so am I unable to update to the new testing so far? |
| 08:31.58 | valdyn | manous: how did you fix it? |
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| 08:32.15 | nkuttler | soundtoxin: why do you ask? |
| 08:32.26 | soundtoxin | nkuttler: I'd like to be on the new testing as I used Jessie when it was testing |
| 08:32.33 | soundtoxin | but editing my sources.list is giving me trouble |
| 08:32.37 | manous | it's in vlc |
| 08:32.40 | nkuttler | !tell soundtoxin about errors |
| 08:32.57 | manous | i change the output to defauld |
| 08:32.59 | soundtoxin | I just opened it in vim and did :%s/testing/stretch and :%s/jessie/stretch |
| 08:33.27 | manous | and the sound in output device i change to speaker |
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| 08:33.50 | manous | it was analogy output |
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| 08:35.50 | skart2 | at0m I coulnt connect to the internet when i ran that command so im writing from here. do you know what should i do? |
| 08:36.38 | at0m | well you removed your wifi drivers if that's what you were using... |
| 08:36.43 | at0m | modprobe them again |
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| 08:37.51 | skart2 | modprobe the three of them or just iwlwifi? |
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| 08:38.08 | at0m | the 3 of them |
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| 08:39.39 | skart2 | When I do that it still doesnt work. The ethernet only works when I restart the computer |
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| 08:42.13 | at0m | why were you removing the iwlwifi in the first place? |
| 08:42.37 | at0m | anyways, i gotta go for now :/ |
| 08:43.09 | skart2 | But when I asked you if thats the exact input I should give you didnt say that iwlwifi shouldnt be there |
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| 08:46.30 | Lope | svetlana: linnak: openvz doesn't run on Jessie without a workaround to to use sysvinit instead of systemd. I'm not sure how reliable it will be to use Jessie. An update might break systemd. |
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| 08:49.17 | valdyn | using sysvinit is supported, not a workaroudn |
| 08:49.35 | Raydiation | gz guys, anything to do after an apt-get dist-upgrade? was running testing |
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| 08:49.52 | Raydiation | in fedora you have to run a special script |
| 08:50.00 | valdyn | Raydiation: no, nothing |
| 08:50.03 | skart2 | Hey but now what? Don!t have wifi for all eternity? I thought Debian was stable? Then why upgrading broke my wifi and openbox? |
| 08:50.06 | Raydiation | ok, thanks :) |
| 08:50.31 | Raydiation | skart2: stable is meant in regards to the packages working together |
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| 08:50.48 | valdyn | stable is the contrary to changing |
| 08:50.59 | valdyn | which is exactly what it means |
| 08:51.08 | skart2 | Oh great now my laptop doesnt seem to boot |
| 08:51.09 | Lope | valdyn: oh, that's interesting |
| 08:51.09 | valdyn | (its not changing) |
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| 08:51.28 | Raydiation | skart2: try archlinux, most stable desktop distro ive ever seen. running debian on my servers though |
| 08:51.43 | Raydiation | stable in regards to bugs |
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| 08:52.21 | bolt | This has probably been done a thousand times already, but: CONGRATULATIONS everyone who contributed to Jessie, and who keep contributing in the future. Awesome work! Much love coming your way, regardless of your gender :D |
| 08:52.29 | Lope | Apparently to run sysvinit on Debian 8 Jesse I need to: "add init=/lib/sysvinit/init param in kernel cmdline" |
| 08:52.34 | Lope | where is the kernel cmdline? |
| 08:52.42 | valdyn | Lope: i dont think so |
| 08:52.56 | Lope | Could I achieve that by editing /etc/default/grub or do I need to edit /boot/grub/grub.cfg? |
| 08:53.09 | Lope | https://bugzilla.openvz.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3188 |
| 08:53.25 | starbuck | hi guys, the 'service' command doesn't work in jessie like in wheezy, any tips how this works now? |
| 08:53.34 | skart2 | Wow, so upgrading broke my wifi, my window manager and now apparently the whole thing because it doesnt boot. People really werent exaggerating when they said that one should wait a week before upgrading to the major release |
| 08:54.01 | svetlana | since this is now supported here, i would like to make systemd output more verbose stuff during the boot for me to see what exactly it is starting |
| 08:54.10 | svetlana | how can i do that |
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| 08:54.18 | Lope | skart2: maybe you're experiencing this issue? https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=775560 |
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| 08:54.55 | Lope | valdyn: ^ |
| 08:55.27 | skart2 | I doubt it because I rebooted many times before. Its something that happened now |
| 08:55.47 | valdyn | svetlana: thats not directly what you want, but maybe you still want "systemctl enable debug-shell.service" |
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| 08:57.12 | skart2 | Oh wait now for some reason after the sixth try at booting it now works. Well at least we got that out of the way. Can someone give me a hint with the wifi? Following the iwlwifi page does not help |
| 08:57.31 | valdyn | !tell skart2 -about ask |
| 08:58.04 | skart2 | Im running a thinkpad t400 if that makes any difference |
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| 08:59.12 | valdyn | skart2: we need the specific wifi chip and the stuff you tried that does produce the error and the error |
| 08:59.29 | valdyn | skart2: the laptop model doesnt really matter |
| 08:59.35 | Lope | how can I run sysvinit on Jessie? I saw "add init=/lib/sysvinit/init param in kernel cmdline" Could I achieve that by editing /etc/default/grub or do I need to edit /boot/grub/grub.cfg? |
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| 08:59.50 | valdyn | Lope: dont do it |
| 09:00.17 | Lope | valdyn: either I run sysvinit on Jessie or I stay on Wheezy https://bugzilla.openvz.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3188 |
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| 09:00.41 | valdyn | Lope: yes, im say don't to the method, not to using sysvinit |
| 09:01.10 | Raydiation | Lope: whats the real benefit other than religious beliefs? |
| 09:01.21 | Lope | valdyn: ok, how do you suggest I use sysvinit? |
| 09:01.28 | valdyn | Raydiation: openvz cant run systemd |
| 09:01.29 | Lope | Raydiation: benefit of what? |
| 09:01.35 | dutchfish | Lope, if you are patient, wait for wheezy-lts, that might be your solution |
| 09:01.42 | valdyn | Raydiation: simple matter of kernel incompatiblity |
| 09:01.46 | Raydiation | valdyn: i see |
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| 09:02.07 | Lope | dutchfish: is wheezyLTS based on wheezy, and when will support end? |
| 09:02.12 | Raydiation | valdyn: isnt docker the solution? |
| 09:02.35 | dutchfish | Lope, not known as of yet, but i anticipate a long maintanance upcoming for it |
| 09:02.43 | valdyn | Raydiation: maybe not everyone can just switch now |
| 09:03.03 | dutchfish | Lope, at least more then a year |
| 09:03.13 | valdyn | Lope: i believe you just need to install sysvinit-core and systemd-shim |
| 09:03.29 | Raydiation | valdyn: i see, maybe then best to wait like youve suggested |
| 09:03.33 | Lope | dutchfish: that's interesting, yesterday someone told me wheezy support ends in a year. interesting indeed. |
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| 09:04.04 | dutchfish | Lope, yes, wheezy support has become oldstable, but wheezy-lts will take it over from there soon |
| 09:04.06 | Lope | valdyn: is there any disadvantage to running sysvinit? |
| 09:04.37 | skart2 | Understood. Information about wifi card paste.debian.net/168980 , I tried running the commands here https://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi#Installation and when I ran the second one it said that I already have it installed and when I ran the third one it said i cant execute the command because iiwlwifi is already running |
| 09:04.43 | Lope | Because either I can run OpenVZ on Jesse with sysvinit, or I run OpenVZ on Debian Wheezy inside a KVM VM, on a Jessie Systemd host. |
| 09:04.50 | Raydiation | valdyn: i think depending on the packages that you are running there may be no sysvinit support |
| 09:05.03 | Raydiation | Lope: ^ |
| 09:05.14 | valdyn | Lope: systemd is technically superior for many reasons. Maybe some packages cant be used without systemd. |
| 09:05.29 | valdyn | Lope: but on a server compared to wheezy you lose nothing I think |
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| 09:05.45 | dutchfish | valdyn, so true |
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| 09:06.19 | Lope | so the consensus is that there is no disadvantage running sysvinit on a server? |
| 09:06.35 | Lope | I mean, my old Wheezy server doesn't use systemd and it works great :) |
| 09:06.40 | valdyn | Lope: thats to strict, what you are saying |
| 09:06.42 | dutchfish | Lope, wrong, systemd is a much better option, if you have a choice |
| 09:06.44 | Lope | KVM and OpenVZ happily together. |
| 09:07.02 | valdyn | Lope: of course systemd has advantages even in a server |
| 09:07.12 | Lope | Well can you give some example benefits of having systemd on a server? |
| 09:07.46 | Lope | because on my wheezy server, I have OpenVZ and KVM working nicely together. to me that's the only advantages I really care about. |
| 09:07.59 | valdyn | Lope: systemd has real lifecycle management of services, init has only start/stop scripts |
| 09:08.07 | Lope | if I run systemd I lose OpenVZ, so that's not an advantage at all. What would I actually gain with systemd? |
| 09:08.07 | dutchfish | Lope, appartment models, service separation, upcoming containers ease of mugration etc etc, read the fine manuals |
| 09:08.15 | dutchfish | migration* |
| 09:08.53 | dutchfish | Lope, help fixing openvz i would say |
| 09:08.57 | Lope | hmm, so what you're saying implies that with systemd there will be a new replacement for openvz? |
| 09:09.06 | valdyn | Lope: maybe you want to plan on migrating to a modern container instead of openvz |
| 09:09.17 | stanley | KVM's pretty good.. |
| 09:09.21 | dutchfish | valdyn, or that, yes |
| 09:09.23 | Lope | KVM doesn't share kernels. |
| 09:09.36 | stanley | Why do you need that? |
| 09:09.38 | valdyn | Lope: theres plenty that do |
| 09:09.39 | stanley | LXC shares kernels |
| 09:09.49 | Lope | saving kernels allows me to run much more VM's |
| 09:09.58 | Lope | sharing |
| 09:10.16 | Lope | is LXC supported on systemd? |
| 09:10.18 | stanley | I don't really know about that, you can use KSM anyway... |
| 09:10.20 | stanley | yes |
| 09:10.29 | Lope | what's KSM? |
| 09:10.42 | Lope | anyway, I like OpenVZ, it works well. |
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| 09:10.52 | stanley | It doesn't work THAT well |
| 09:11.05 | Lope | none of the benefits of systemd mean anything to me right now. all I need is to run KVM and OpenVZ. |
| 09:11.07 | stanley | Kernel Same-page Merging. Means any same memory pages will be merged, making RAM savings, so I guess that would let you 'run much more VMs' |
| 09:11.14 | stanley | I also wasn't aware that systemd prevented OpenVZ? |
| 09:11.33 | Lope | https://bugzilla.openvz.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3188 |
| 09:11.42 | marcusk | It's the other way around, OpenVZ does not yet work well with systemd. |
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| 09:11.47 | valdyn | stanley: systemd needs a somewhat not a decade old kernel |
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| 09:12.02 | Lope | well, if you look at chicken and egg, OpenVZ came before systemd. |
| 09:12.06 | stanley | valdyn: I see, thank you |
| 09:12.14 | Lope | so I would say systemd doesn't work with OpenVZ :p |
| 09:12.15 | stanley | Lope: KVM + KSM is an option, I save over 2GB on RAM because of it |
| 09:12.26 | stanley | or LXC |
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| 09:12.42 | marcusk | OpenVZ is also not supported by Debian, as far as I know. |
| 09:12.43 | Lope | stanley: does it take a lot of CPU to do KVM KSM? |
| 09:12.46 | stanley | or of course you could try to remove systemd and use sysvinit. It's possible but I don't know how well it works |
| 09:12.47 | stanley | no lope |
| 09:12.49 | Lope | because it's kind of like compression? |
| 09:12.56 | stanley | it doesn't use a great deal at all |
| 09:12.56 | Lope | looking for similar blocks of data? |
| 09:13.20 | skart2 | So when I run modprobe -r iwlwifi ; modprobe iwlwifi it just says FATAL module iwlwifi is in use |
| 09:13.27 | skart2 | What should I do? |
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| 09:13.36 | stanley | not run it? |
| 09:13.36 | Lope | marcusk: lol. but OpenVZ supports Debian wheezy :) |
| 09:13.40 | valdyn | stanley: 2.6.32 is probably the latest kernel supported by openvz ... i would be scared from that alone |
| 09:13.50 | stanley | valdyn: that is indeed terifying |
| 09:13.55 | stanley | terrifying |
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| 09:14.26 | Lope | valdyn: 2.6.32 runs well. does everything I need. |
| 09:14.34 | stanley | slowly, that is ;) |
| 09:14.38 | skart2 | What I mean is what should I do in order to get my wifi working again? |
| 09:15.07 | Lope | stanley: well I'll just repeat my options, as there seem to be more people interested in the discussion now. |
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| 09:15.18 | valdyn | Lope: i understand that, and by no means im argueing to just change that, just to plan the switch already. |
| 09:15.29 | hiexpo | skart2, what wifi card is it |
| 09:15.35 | Lope | Either I can run 2.6.32 on my host and try make Jesse work with sysvinit (which Debian supports, and apparently openVZ will run on Jesse like that) |
| 09:15.51 | Lope | Or I can run a 3.16 kernel and run OpenVZ on wheezy inside a KVM VM. |
| 09:15.54 | stanley | Lope: I wouldn't do that because that's a VERY old kernel. |
| 09:15.59 | stanley | ok your options are not exhaustive |
| 09:16.04 | Lope | I've heard of people running OpenVZ inside KVM and having some good results with it. |
| 09:16.10 | stanley | you have another option of using KVM, forget OpenVZ. Why would you do that? It's just unnecessary! |
| 09:16.16 | stanley | Or, you could use LXC, and forget OpenVZ. |
| 09:16.32 | skart2 | hiexpo im not sure here is the wireless info if you can understand it paste.debian.net/168980 |
| 09:16.47 | valdyn | Lope: in debian you can switch init system with the suggest boot parameter, but after you *tested* the switch you might just aswell use the *package* that sets /sbin/init (to systemd or sysvinit) |
| 09:17.12 | hiexpo | openvz lol |
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| 09:17.25 | Lope | stanley: if I run containers with 32mb of RAM, that just need to run one small app, sharing the kernel is a life-saver :p |
| 09:17.32 | stanley | lxc |
| 09:17.55 | Lope | Why are there so many OpenVZ providers, and almost no LXC providers? |
| 09:18.01 | skart2 | hiexpo im not sure here is the wireless info if you can understand it paste.debian.net/168980 |
| 09:18.26 | valdyn | Lope: because openvz came first |
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| 09:18.46 | stanley | lope: that's really not a reason to avoid lxc.. |
| 09:18.50 | stanley | lxc is newer as valdyn said |
| 09:19.16 | Lope | valdyn: well you say that if I install the sysvinit packages and the systemd shim my system should automagically boot with sysvinit. so surely I can't JUST test sysvinit, it needs to be installed first, and if I install it, it will be used automagically? |
| 09:19.28 | valdyn | Lope: that said i dont know anything about lxc, except that its really tiny and in the beginning at least was more a proof of concept. I don't know the current state. |
| 09:19.41 | valdyn | Lope: install sysvinit to *test* |
| 09:19.57 | valdyn | Lope: install sysvinit-core on top, to not require that boot parameter |
| 09:20.24 | valdyn | Lope: see "apt-cache show sysvinit" |
| 09:20.31 | Lope | my current code base (although only about 300 lines :) is developed tested, and in production for openVZ. and openvz might support systemd soon. so I'm not all that keen to switch to LXC. |
| 09:20.54 | valdyn | Lope: openvz is not ported to newer kernels |
| 09:21.18 | valdyn | Lope: theres no systemd support, only a dependency of systemd on kernels >= 2.6.39 |
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| 09:21.28 | Lope | valdyn: yeah the dev team of openvz is small. |
| 09:21.42 | Lope | they add security updates etc and support the 2.6.32 kernel. |
| 09:22.01 | hiexpo | true |
| 09:22.09 | Lope | one of the downsides of the 2.6.32 kernel is it lacks support for new CPU features. |
| 09:22.21 | Lope | like the advanced per core power management etc. |
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| 09:22.44 | stanley | "We have worked on this kernel for quite some time already, initially porting our patchset to kernel 3.6, then rebasing it to RHEL7 beta, then final RHEL7. While it is still in development, we will publish it so anyone can follow the development process.2 |
| 09:22.49 | stanley | https://openvz.livejournal.com/49158.html |
| 09:22.56 | stanley | that was December, so I guess they're working on it.... |
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| 09:25.33 | jvava | hi, who can please tell me how to install a dns server in debian 8 jessie, apt-cache search bind9, nothing found. |
| 09:26.06 | valdyn | jvava: fix your sources.list, run apt-get update |
| 09:27.36 | jvava | valdyn, how to fix, ""main contrib non-free" not enough, or need use another mirror? |
| 09:27.53 | valdyn | jvava: maybe its ok, then all you need is "apt-get update" |
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| 09:28.11 | jvava | ok, let me try |
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| 09:29.26 | soundtoxin | okay I give up on working around screen timeout bullshit |
| 09:29.29 | soundtoxin | can someone help me disable it |
| 09:29.54 | soundtoxin | also it is possible to make it timeout on the lockscreen but nowhere else? I really need it to go dark at certain times |
| 09:30.09 | soundtoxin | but having the screen go blank if I'm using a controller or watching a youtube video is dumb |
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| 09:32.24 | jvava | valdyn, updating works, thx |
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| 09:43.27 | Lope | valdyn: sysvinit is installed |
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| 09:47.53 | iveevue | How do I upgrade from wheezy to jessie? |
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| 09:48.21 | iveevue | With apt, i just put jessie repos in sources and update/dist-upgrade? |
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| 09:50.29 | SynrG | dpkg: wheezy->jessie |
| 09:50.30 | dpkg | Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> http://deb.li/ldcj . In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "wheezy" to "jessie" and remove stable-specific lines like wheezy-backports. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. 3rd party repos like <dmo> are known to cause problems with the upgrade. See also <jessie sysvinit>. |
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| 09:51.03 | iveevue | Does wheezy have to be fully up to date? |
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| 09:52.08 | Lope | WOHOOO!!! |
| 09:52.16 | Lope | openvz kernel booted with sysvinit on Jesse |
| 09:52.20 | SynrG | hmm. except jessie-backports exists (just empty), so, i've edited: |
| 09:52.24 | Lope | okay, time to give systemd the boot. |
| 09:52.26 | SynrG | dpkg: wheezy->jessie |
| 09:52.26 | dpkg | Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> http://deb.li/ldcj . In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "wheezy" to "jessie". apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. 3rd party repos like <dmo> are known to cause problems with the upgrade. See also <jessie sysvinit>. |
| 09:52.31 | Lope | Jesus is against systemd. |
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| 09:52.38 | Lope | Hail mary |
| 09:52.47 | SynrG | iveevue: wheezy should be fully up to date first, yes. |
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| 09:53.26 | SynrG | Lope: we welcome all faiths, but religious intolerance is frowned upon :p |
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| 09:53.43 | iveevue | Do I need to remove repos like wheezy-backports, or change them to jessie-backports? also, what do I do with packages installed from backports? |
| 09:53.47 | Lope | SynrG: groovy :) |
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| 09:54.10 | SynrG | iveevue: change to jessie-backports |
| 09:54.17 | Lope | I frown upon systemd because it's not supported by OpenVZ |
| 09:54.18 | Lope | :p |
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| 09:54.37 | SynrG | wheezy-backports versions will upgrade cleanly to the corresponding versions in jessie |
| 09:54.38 | Lope | The only thing systemd has going for it from my perspective is it boots up crazy fast. |
| 09:54.41 | SynrG | you don't need to do anything with those |
| 09:54.53 | iveevue | ok, thanks |
| 09:54.54 | Lope | But a server is not meant to reboot, so who gives a **** |
| 09:55.34 | SynrG | so Jesus loves old kernels? |
| 09:55.41 | SynrG | hmms |
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| 09:56.56 | Guest10384 | hi all and my gratulations! |
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| 09:59.17 | Lope | he does, 2015 years ago they didn't have 3.x kernels. |
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| 10:03.06 | kahiru | hey, does anyone know when jessie should be available on digitalocean? |
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| 10:05.16 | svetlana | kahiru: If they do not let you upload your own image of the distro, ask them. |
| 10:05.58 | kahiru | svetlana: sadly they dont, but thanks, ill mail them or something |
| 10:06.10 | svetlana | kahiru: though I think you can just upgrade your existing install by hand. Do something like https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/upgrading-debian-to-unstable but you will have to replace 'wheezy' with 'jessie'. |
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| 10:07.15 | kahiru | svetlana: i know it can be done quite easily, just wanted fresh jessie ootb |
| 10:07.21 | Lope | kahiru: that sounds like a question for DO. try #digitalocean (can't remember which network) or their forum, or support. |
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| 10:07.35 | Polen | Hi! |
| 10:07.45 | Polen | Chromiujm will be upgraded to 42 on Jessie? |
| 10:07.52 | Polen | chromium* |
| 10:07.55 | Lope | kahiru: good point, you can just make sure your sources.list file points to stable or jessee then dist-upgrade |
| 10:08.02 | Lope | then clone that if you want more. |
| 10:08.16 | Lope | bbl guys, thanks for the chat. |
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| 10:10.13 | iveevue | How do I remove all installed packages from backports? |
| 10:10.21 | svetlana | kahiru: taking their wheezy stuff and manually upgrading it to jessie would do the job - but if you prefer to have them do it and wait a few days that's fine; I'm glad to see any poking done to get their stuff up-to-date :) |
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| 10:12.09 | Komanda | phpmyadmin says mysqli|mysql inst installed |
| 10:12.23 | Komanda | did apt-get isntall php5-mysql but didnt work |
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| 10:16.15 | kevr | did you enable the mysql php module? |
| 10:16.18 | kevr | in php.ini? |
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| 10:18.41 | iveevue | Anyone know how to remove all packages installed from backports? |
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| 10:21.22 | iveevue | nvm |
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| 10:21.26 | cybrNaut | i ran aptitude install acroread. it generally worked, but in the acrobat reader pull-down menu for "sign" and "security", there is nothing |
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| 10:22.21 | cybrNaut | btw, this is on wheezy (it's said to be broken on amd64 jessie) |
| 10:23.05 | cybrNaut | by that, i mean the acrobat reader doesn't work at all on jessie (not just my current issue) |
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| 10:27.09 | posterdati300 | full upgrade of my laptop from wheezy to jessie |
| 10:27.20 | posterdati300 | my only problem was the nvidia 7000 driver |
| 10:27.33 | posterdati300 | installer choosen the wrong one! |
| 10:27.49 | posterdati300 | but I fixed: apt-get purge --purge nvidia* |
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| 10:28.01 | posterdati300 | and reinstalling the nvidia-legacy driver |
| 10:28.06 | posterdati300 | was easy |
| 10:28.22 | svetlana | cybrNaut: take a look at https://pdfreaders.org/ in case some of them suit your needs |
| 10:29.04 | svetlana | posterdati300: you might want to file a bug about this unless I'm misunderstanding something |
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| 10:30.39 | cybrNaut | svetlana: i doubt that any of them can fill an adobe "signature field" |
| 10:30.47 | cybrNaut | that's my problem |
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| 10:31.01 | cybrNaut | I would rather not have to use acrobat reader, but it's the only option |
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| 10:31.57 | svetlana | signing documents is probably standardized - maybe try okular and see if it handles it |
| 10:32.23 | mixter_ | hi! i get warnings from aptitude about "no public key available" when trying to update machines with squeeze-lts. i use the repos at https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Using |
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| 10:34.49 | SynrG | mirrors out of sync? |
| 10:35.00 | teraflop | no, it's not that's why people are stuck in adobe acrobat on mac and windows |
| 10:35.05 | SynrG | mixter_: maybe instead of http.debian.net, try a specific mirror near you |
| 10:36.00 | mixter_ | SynrG: thanks! but shouldn't http.debian.net be the main archive? i'll try anyway |
| 10:36.02 | Mc- | hi; i encounter 403 and 404 errors on the debian website, is here a good place to signal them ? |
| 10:36.03 | SynrG | mixter_: did you follow this instruction on that page? |
| 10:36.05 | SynrG | You need to have an up-to-date debian-archive-keyring package before APT will trust the squeeze-lts suite. If you see a NO_PUBKEY warning after adding the squeeze-lts sources, run apt-get install debian-archive-keyring and try again. |
| 10:36.09 | SynrG | ^^ |
| 10:36.42 | mixter_ | SynrG: things have been working up until a few days ago. will check that too! |
| 10:36.46 | SynrG | mixter_: http.debian.net does not necessarily always point to a specific mirror. it locates the "best" mirror for you |
| 10:37.14 | SynrG | mixter_: very useful for mobile systems in particular |
| 10:37.31 | SynrG | it's not a matter of main vs not |
| 10:37.59 | SynrG | if-and-when you have mirror sync issues (and i don't think this is ... see the advice above) ... it sometimes helps to choose a different mirror. |
| 10:38.58 | SynrG | s/a specific mirror/the same mirror/ |
| 10:39.37 | SynrG | !tell mixter_ about hdn |
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| 10:40.24 | cybrNaut | teraflop: who were you responding to? |
| 10:40.44 | teraflop | cybrNaut: svetlana |
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| 10:41.00 | svetlana | ? |
| 10:41.28 | svetlana | ah ok |
| 10:41.29 | teraflop | svetlana: "signing documents is probably standardized" no it's not |
| 10:41.58 | jelly | mixter_, SynrG: it seems old apt from squeeze doesn't deal with multiple signatures. https://lists.debian.org/debian-lts/2015/04/msg00112.html |
| 10:42.06 | mixter_ | SynrG: nope, tried to change the mirror but with no luck. i already have the debian-archive-keyring installed (with the correct version when i compare to packages.debian.org) |
| 10:42.22 | cybrNaut | well okular is "more than a reader", they claim, so i'll see if it can handle signatures |
| 10:42.31 | jelly | (wheezy key ought to work but apt complains nevertheless) |
| 10:42.55 | teraflop | cybrNaut: the problem is that you need adobe acrobat for sign adobe acrobat documents |
| 10:43.22 | SynrG | jelly: interesting. thanks |
| 10:43.40 | StaticLNX | is running Jessie and all is well so far |
| 10:44.00 | SynrG | mixter_: so in short, it's broken in the archive and ftpmaster team needs to fix it |
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| 10:44.34 | mixter_ | SynrG / jelly: thanks! i'll just let it go for a few days then. |
| 10:44.36 | jelly | oldoldstable is a bit bit broken |
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| 10:44.54 | cybrNaut | damn.. okular cannot sign PDFs |
| 10:44.55 | mixter_ | jelly: SynrG: thank you for your time! |
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| 10:46.40 | kevr | cybrNaut: try out pdfedit |
| 10:46.44 | kevr | maybe |
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| 10:48.28 | jvava | i installed scim, so i can input chinese, but when i press SHIFT key, nothing is input though toolbar appear a icon for english input, please help |
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| 10:49.10 | cybrNaut | i have found a list of FOSS apps that can sign pdfs, but none have debian support ("portable signer", jpdfsign, jsignpdf, digisigner, opensignpdf, pdfcreator) |
| 10:49.10 | jvava | locale is en.utf8 with zh_cn.utf8 additionally |
| 10:49.32 | cybrNaut | i might be able to hack one of them to work |
| 10:50.46 | kevr | cybrNaut: have you tried pdfedit? |
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| 10:51.23 | jvava | oh, debian 8 jessie |
| 10:51.24 | cybrNaut | kevr: it sounds familiar, but i would not have tried it for a pdf signature. I'll have a look |
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| 10:52.00 | cybrNaut | kevr: that's non-debian, correct? |
| 10:52.04 | hazz_ | thanks to the debian community now asus vivotab (32 bit UEFI)may run Linux,but i got during the boot process a not responding keyboard any help? |
| 10:52.08 | kevr | i dont believe so |
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| 10:52.14 | kevr | i just looked it up in debian repos, seems to exist |
| 10:52.27 | kevr | i havent used it, this is just due to a couple of quick google searches for linux pdf signers. |
| 10:52.41 | jvava | and in chinese mode of scim, i even can not input SPACE unless turn off scim with Ctrl and space |
| 10:52.43 | cybrNaut | hmm, aptitude search pdfedit comes up empty on wheezy |
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| 10:52.56 | kevr | it exists in squeeze and sid apparently |
| 10:53.22 | jvava | where go wrong or how to check it |
| 10:53.27 | kevr | https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=pdfedit |
| 10:54.00 | themill | ,bug rm pdfedit |
| 10:54.03 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/678046 in ftp.debian.org (closed): «RM: pdfedit -- ROM; depends on Qt3 libraries»; severity: normal; opened: 2012-06-18; last modified: 2012-07-18. |
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| 10:54.08 | themill | (pdfedit never got converted to Qt4) |
| 10:54.13 | kevr | ah. |
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| 10:55.07 | cybrNaut | i don't think it does the job anyway.. nothing in the user docs for pdfedit mention signing |
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| 10:55.40 | cybrNaut | but at least i have some non-debian packages to experiment with |
| 10:56.25 | Atomic_Oz6T4 | Can I upgrade to Debian 8 from 7 and keep the old init system? I got many scripts and dont have time zo rewrite them all |
| 10:57.12 | cybrNaut | Atomic_Oz6T4: systemd is supposed to be compatible with sysv scripts |
| 10:57.18 | jelly | Atomic_Oz6T4: yes. init scripts? They're supposed to just keep working. |
| 10:57.55 | hazz_ | Can someone infor me why under the live distro 32 bit uefi it's not implemented? |
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| 10:58.06 | Atomic_Oz6T4 | so just copy to /etc/init.d and use systemctl start rather than service start? |
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| 10:58.38 | cybrNaut | Atomic_Oz6T4: if you have problems, note that there is supposedly a branch of debian that doesn't migrate to systemd |
| 10:58.39 | jelly | Atomic_Oz6T4: copy? Aren't they already there? |
| 10:59.09 | Atomic_Oz6T4 | cybrNaut: ok thanks! |
| 10:59.44 | cybrNaut | s/branch/fork |
| 10:59.44 | jelly | Atomic_Oz6T4: read the release notes, chapters 5.6 and the whole of 4 (and 5) |
| 11:00.11 | Atomic_Oz6T4 | jelly: I will backup them for case of loss |
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| 11:00.20 | Atomic_Oz6T4 | ok! ty |
| 11:00.35 | frizz96 | software |
| 11:00.38 | jelly | cybrNaut: Devuan is not ready for jessie yet. Also it's: not Debian |
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| 11:02.39 | hazz_ | can anyone point me for a 32bit uefi distro with a working usb keyboard!live distro of corse. |
| 11:03.17 | jelly | hazz_: for an old mac, or something else? |
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| 11:04.24 | hazz_ | jelly: for an asus vivotab |
| 11:04.30 | roughnecks | Would it be safe to upgrade a PIII to jessie (from wheezy)? |
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| 11:05.37 | dvda | so now where Jessie released as stable, what to use if I prefer a "testing" debian version? |
| 11:05.49 | jelly | roughnecks: given that you'll get newer versions of everything, including kernel and xorg drivers, there's always a possibility of regressions and things not working as well on old hardware |
| 11:06.04 | jelly | !stretch |
| 11:06.04 | dpkg | The release following Debian 8 "Jessie" is codenamed "Stretch" (the rubber octopus in Toy Story 3) and will be Debian 9. https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2014/11/msg00005.html |
| 11:06.14 | jelly | dvda: ^^ |
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| 11:06.33 | dvda | ah, thank you |
| 11:06.47 | jelly | dvda: you'll be in for a rough ride for the next couple months |
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| 11:07.19 | dvda | I guess I should stick with Jessie for a while, then :P. Thank you |
| 11:07.22 | jelly | avoids testing for 2-3 months after a release |
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| 11:07.40 | roughnecks | Thanks jelly, it's an headless "server", but I get your point |
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| 11:08.09 | dvda | yeah, I guess that's wise |
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| 11:10.20 | soundtoxin | fixed the bash issue I was having. I overwrote everything in my .bash_profile at some point so I had to readd a line saying "source ~/.bashrc" |
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| 11:14.04 | SynrG | periodically check /etc/skel stuff |
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| 11:15.31 | SynrG | soundtoxin: might find some other interesting improvements in there you're missing |
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| 11:16.40 | soundtoxin | SynrG: isn't that just default configs? |
| 11:17.13 | SynrG | yes. people often forget to check because they don't usually modify them ... |
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| 11:17.33 | SynrG | so on an upgrade, they don't automatically get improvements, because they're only copied to /home/user/ when the account is created. |
| 11:17.37 | soundtoxin | ah so you're saying if I think one of my files got screwed up I should reference the untouched version |
| 11:17.50 | SynrG | so it's a good thing to check, esp. after big upgrade like wheezy->jessie |
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| 11:18.13 | soundtoxin | I keep home on its own partition that never gets wiped so I don't run into that issue |
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| 11:18.26 | SynrG | e.g. someone who installed debian a long time ago and never checked may not have bash completion |
| 11:18.26 | soundtoxin | been using these configs across several distros and years of time |
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| 11:18.34 | soundtoxin | ah yeah |
| 11:18.49 | soundtoxin | I can't tab-complete packages when using apt-get install anymore |
| 11:18.56 | soundtoxin | is that a change in my PATH? |
| 11:19.06 | soundtoxin | also I didn't used to need sudo for ifconfig |
| 11:19.19 | SynrG | well, the standard .bashrc from /etc/skel has bash completion setup in it |
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| 11:19.34 | soundtoxin | well how do you define bash completion exactly? |
| 11:19.38 | soundtoxin | general commands tab complete fine |
| 11:19.45 | SynrG | ifconfig is not normally in a user's PATH, no |
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| 11:19.52 | soundtoxin | well I think it was on crunchbang |
| 11:20.02 | SynrG | so that's something custom you did |
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| 11:20.20 | soundtoxin | not me, but I guess I understand what you mean |
| 11:20.25 | SynrG | apt-cache show bash-completion |
| 11:20.27 | SynrG | ^^ that |
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| 11:20.50 | SynrG | many useful extensions. not just filenames |
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| 11:21.16 | soundtoxin | ah yeah I have that installed |
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| 11:21.25 | SynrG | installed but possibly not configured |
| 11:21.41 | SynrG | it's typically done via .bashrc and /etc/skel/.bashrc has it enabled |
| 11:21.50 | soundtoxin | can you tab-complete names of packages that aren't installed? |
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| 11:22.12 | SynrG | so anyone doing a fresh install today and/or creating a new user would have it automatically enabled |
| 11:22.13 | SynrG | yes |
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| 11:22.21 | soundtoxin | hm |
| 11:22.22 | SynrG | apt-get install something<tab><tab> |
| 11:22.35 | soundtoxin | you might be right that I don't have it configured then |
| 11:22.35 | SynrG | just one of many enhancements. |
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| 11:24.28 | somiaj | soundtoxin: sounds like you typed typed that command you told me as > instead of >>, (: |
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| 11:24.42 | soundtoxin | no |
| 11:24.44 | soundtoxin | it was copy pasted |
| 11:24.59 | soundtoxin | no matter though |
| 11:25.44 | soundtoxin | oh I actually do see bash completion stuff in my .bashrc and it looks the same as the skel version |
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| 11:26.30 | soundtoxin | SynrG: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4202804/screenshots/2015-04-26-062602_1394x737_scrot.png |
| 11:26.43 | soundtoxin | comparing skel to my own and it seems I have bash completion configured |
| 11:26.48 | soundtoxin | but it doesn't work the way you say AFIAK |
| 11:26.51 | soundtoxin | *AFAIK |
| 11:27.14 | soundtoxin | oh actually it might |
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| 11:55.58 | Anthro | When I do an apt-get update I'm getting the following: W: Conflicting distribution: http://ftp.us.debian.org stable Release (expected stable but got jessie) |
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| 11:56.36 | Anthro | Is this something to worry about? I know Jessie was just released, but I should still be able to refer to the latest stable as stable, right? |
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| 12:00.21 | ZenWalker | hi |
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| 12:00.36 | ZenWalker | when, stretch testing on packages.debian.org? :) |
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| 12:01.21 | jelly | ZenWalker: in a couple days |
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| 12:16.12 | JIghtuse | Hey folks. Please can someone move this bug to release-notes package? https://bugs.debian.org/783352 |
| 12:16.49 | ZenWalker | jelly: thanks |
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| 12:21.49 | anddam | happy jessi-day |
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| 12:22.22 | linux-fox | i have downloaded jessie |
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| 12:22.34 | linux-fox | amd64 netinstall cd |
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| 12:22.39 | anddam | is there anything to do for who was already on testing? |
| 12:22.46 | anddam | like "apt-get celebrate" or so? |
| 12:22.53 | anddam | linux-fox: good for you |
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| 12:24.37 | Anthro | anddam: Do you want to track stable from now on, or do you want to continue tracking testing? |
| 12:24.37 | Waxhead | It would be a good idea to include in the release notes that keeping usr on a separate partition is not obviously supported under systemd. |
| 12:24.44 | linux-fox | when i type" mount /dev/sr0 /media/cdrom", i cannot mount cdrom |
| 12:25.04 | anddam | Anthro: good question |
| 12:25.10 | anddam | I'll stay stable until I need not to |
| 12:25.19 | anddam | I think I already have jessie entries in source.list |
| 12:25.39 | Anthro | anddam: If you are tracking jessie specifically (rather than stable or testing) then you are all set. |
| 12:26.05 | Anthro | anddam: You may want to add backports sources. Or you may not. |
| 12:26.34 | d3fault_ | xfce power manager no longer has "spin down hard disks" option. is spinning down after a period of inactivity now the default behavior? |
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| 12:27.57 | linux-fox | hi, how can i mount a cdrom, what is '-t' option ? |
| 12:28.11 | anddam | linux-fox: can you possibly provide less context? |
| 12:28.39 | Anthro | linux-fox: What error do you get? |
| 12:28.46 | notmarc | any idea why apache is crapping itself with 403's when upgrading from wheezy to jessie? |
| 12:28.50 | anddam | linux-fox: "The argument following the -t is used to indicate the filesystem type." |
| 12:28.53 | linux-fox | anddam: i want mount my cdrom to /media/cdrom0 , how can i do? |
| 12:29.10 | anddam | is "cdrom" the iso image you just downloaded, a physical CD-ROM drive on your computer or what? |
| 12:29.14 | linux-fox | anddam: "-t" option use iso9660? |
| 12:29.28 | anddam | linux-fox: anyway I'd check dmesg for checking that the device is the right one |
| 12:29.41 | anddam | IIRC I haven't explicitly used -t in a while |
| 12:29.53 | anddam | also what system are you running on? |
| 12:30.43 | linux-fox | anddam: my cdrom is /dev/sr0, i am sure that it is sr0 |
| 12:30.49 | anddam | linux-fox: how? |
| 12:31.14 | anddam | is there a dpkg (the bot) facility to look for factoids? |
| 12:31.24 | anddam | !wheezy->jessie |
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| 12:32.39 | jelly | anddam: the bot is buggy with ! command character and -> factoids |
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| 12:32.47 | MrRick | Jessie is released now: should I just change my repository listing to point to Jessie in order to upgrade? |
| 12:33.03 | jelly | MrRick: no. read jessie release notes |
| 12:33.08 | jelly | !jessie release notes |
| 12:33.09 | dpkg | Release notes for Debian 8 "Jessie" are at http://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/releasenotes . See also <wheezy->jessie>, <install guide>. |
| 12:33.15 | jelly | dpkg: wheezy->jessie |
| 12:33.15 | dpkg | Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> http://deb.li/ldcj . In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "wheezy" to "jessie". apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. 3rd party repos like <dmo> are known to cause problems with the upgrade. See also <jessie sysvinit>. |
| 12:33.21 | Anthro | MrRick: Except for backports, if you are tracking stable then you will get the new (jessie) stable. |
| 12:33.38 | jelly | Anthro: noone should be "tracking stable" |
| 12:33.54 | Anthro | jelly: That used to be a thing. Is that no longer a thing? |
| 12:34.09 | Anthro | has been quietly using Debian for a long time. |
| 12:34.13 | jelly | Anthro: putting "stable" in sources.list is unsafe and does not happen since Debian 6 |
| 12:34.14 | MrRick | Thanks jelly, Antho. I'll read the fine manuals :) |
| 12:34.18 | jelly | er, Debian 5 |
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| 12:35.13 | Anthro | jelly: So I should explicitly list jessie rather than stable in my sources.list files? Okay. Is it still okay to track testing or unstable, or has that changed as well? |
| 12:35.15 | anddam | jelly: whoops, went straight with s/wheezy/jessie/g in sources.list |
| 12:35.45 | jelly | Anthro: testing and unstable will cause breakage anyway, so it's kind of assumed you know what you're doing, there |
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| 12:36.31 | Anthro | jelly: Yeah, I stopped tracking testing ages ago, but every now and then (especially right after or right before a release) I want to pull in a single package. |
| 12:36.55 | Anthro | And some time I want to pull in a source package and try to backport it. |
| 12:37.00 | Anthro | Er, sometimes. |
| 12:37.07 | anddam | sh*t why isn't aptitude recommended over apt-get anymore for wheezy->jessie? |
| 12:37.08 | jelly | having deb-src for newer releases is fine |
| 12:37.13 | notmarc | since the upgrade from wheezy to jessie, vhosts are no longer working in apache2. any idea? |
| 12:37.30 | anddam | and I don't know why I added that "sh*t" bit |
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| 12:37.36 | anddam | I apologize |
| 12:37.38 | jelly | anddam: last two release upgrades also used apt-get |
| 12:38.14 | anddam | E: The method driver /usr/lib/apt/methods/https could not be found. |
| 12:38.19 | anddam | when running update |
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| 12:38.27 | anddam | what's that about? |
| 12:38.43 | stanley | andatche: sudo apt-get install apt-transport-https |
| 12:38.51 | jelly | anddam: you have a https:// URL somewhere in sources.list |
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| 12:40.59 | anddam | correct, from https://weechat.org/download/debian/ |
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| 12:42.17 | anddam | is there a package providing https method for APT? |
| 12:42.34 | anddam | I mean I just dropped TSL for now, but still the line suggested has https |
| 12:42.58 | themill | anddam: "apt-cache search apt https" seems like a good starting point |
| 12:43.11 | anddam | also is there a tool to test and find a good debian mirror? |
| 12:43.13 | Anthro | anddam: Also, stanley just told you above |
| 12:43.21 | anddam | oh, totally missed |
| 12:43.24 | anddam | stanley: thanks |
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| 12:43.40 | anddam | the "andatche" part tricked me |
| 12:43.47 | stanley | damnit, sorry |
| 12:43.49 | stanley | autocomplete fooled me |
| 12:44.26 | jelly | anddam: where/who suggests a https:// repo source? |
| 12:44.41 | anddam | jelly: the page whose URL I just pasted |
| 12:44.56 | anddam | has weechat's debian packages, deb lines all have https |
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| 12:45.18 | themill | that page also tells you to install the apt-transport-https package... |
| 12:46.00 | Roberth1990 | are there no applications in debian which supports telegram? |
| 12:46.01 | jelly | reading is HARD! |
| 12:46.33 | jelly | Roberth1990: what's telegram? |
| 12:46.37 | Anthro | Roberth1990: Like... morse code over unswitched analog wires? |
| 12:46.48 | Roberth1990 | jelly: instant messaging protocol |
| 12:46.58 | anddam | tricked again by my inability to read |
| 12:47.03 | jelly | Roberth1990: open? closed? reference? |
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| 12:47.28 | Roberth1990 | jelly: https://telegram.org/ |
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| 12:49.41 | teraflop | uhm i get weird behaviour with the jessie installer installing grub in a kvm machine with / in btrfs with subvolumes, the installer thinks it is UEFI and mess the things up installing wrong version of grub, i had to chroot and install grub manually |
| 12:50.00 | jelly | Roberth1990: there's a RFP https://bugs.debian.org/767418 but noone's done the work yet. Contribute! |
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| 12:50.42 | teraflop | did someone else notice this issue |
| 12:51.44 | Roberth1990 | jelly: I wish had proper motivation to learn how to create packages on debian, and anyway the package would not appear in jessie unless it gets backported... |
| 12:52.19 | jelly | Roberth1990: it won't appear in stretch or jessie-backports either, until someone makes it happen |
| 12:52.54 | Anthro | How is btrfs these days? Is it as dependable as ext4? Is it easier to expand/contract on an LVM volume? |
| 12:53.06 | jelly | Roberth1990: if you're interested, read /msg dpkg nmg and /msg dpkg mentors |
| 12:53.49 | jelly | Anthro: from what users say, still alpha quality and VERY unsuitable if you like your data a lot |
| 12:54.10 | Anthro | jelly: Good to know. I'll stick with ext4 then. |
| 12:54.15 | Roberth1990 | Anthro: I lost data when moving lots of data around on an btrfs filesystem! |
| 12:54.23 | teraflop | Anthro: I use on opensuse, archlinux and centos, with subvolumes for taking advantage of the COW and snapshots |
| 12:54.23 | Anthro | Because I *do* like my data a lot. |
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| 12:54.27 | Roberth1990 | Anthro: use xfs instead |
| 12:54.34 | teraflop | Roberth1990: why? |
| 12:54.38 | jelly | Anthro: but very nice if you have volatile data and need lots of snapshots and copies, eg. in development or build environments |
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| 12:54.43 | Anthro | Roberth1990: What is the advantage over ext4? |
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| 12:55.14 | teraflop | Roberth1990: I use extensively didnt notice what you say |
| 12:55.15 | no_gravity | Hello! What is the difference between the output of "cat /proc/net/ip_conntrack" and "netstat -n --inet"? i am seeing way more entries in ip_conntrack. |
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| 12:55.27 | Roberth1990 | better latency and general performance in my experience |
| 12:55.55 | Roberth1990 | especially if you create the filesystem with some options that are stable but not enabled by default yet |
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| 12:57.48 | Roberth1990 | "-m crc=1,finobt=1" with mkfs.xfs if you are on jessie |
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| 12:58.26 | Roberth1990 | crc improves reliability also |
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| 12:59.34 | anddam | what's the difference between name-updates and name/updates deb lines? I mean why two names so similar |
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| 13:00.05 | themill | anddam: you can /msg dpkg to ask that question |
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| 13:00.36 | jelly | anddam: it's best not to ask why they are similar but do very different things. Debian just likes the update[s] word. |
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| 13:01.29 | jelly | anddam: it has at least four different meanings in Debian, depending on context. |
| 13:02.09 | anddam | it always confused me, mostly because I don't know what they do and I just copy what dpkg tells me and paste it in place |
| 13:02.15 | anddam | I'll check the factoids thanks |
| 13:02.39 | jelly | there's also: "apt-get update" and "name-proposed-updates" |
| 13:02.44 | anddam | I see my jessie machine has jessie-updates lines commented |
| 13:02.53 | anddam | is that bad? |
| 13:03.07 | jelly | it's not bad. |
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| 13:03.45 | anddam | also along with the jessie lines I have a "sid main contrib non-free" one, possibly because a couple days ago I was told to do a ssb and I was on jessie? |
| 13:04.13 | jelly | anddam: what does that line begin with? |
| 13:04.25 | anddam | deb-src |
| 13:04.27 | anddam | my bad |
| 13:04.31 | jelly | that's fine then |
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| 13:04.50 | jelly | you can ask the bot about deb-src, too :-] |
| 13:04.50 | anddam | I seem to recall that it's from that backport (since I was on testing already) |
| 13:05.04 | anddam | I did what my overlord bot told me to do and I'm running fish backport since |
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| 13:05.34 | jelly | you gained 5 experience points for that |
| 13:05.54 | anddam | ah netselect-apt |
| 13:06.12 | anddam | I'm on a VSP, if I use the provider Debian mirror the traffic doesn't account for the system limits |
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| 13:06.27 | anddam | but since I got moved to EU and the mirror is US I'm getting crapspeed |
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| 13:06.52 | anddam | ok ready to update |
| 13:07.10 | anddam | and now to upgrade, per release notes |
| 13:07.50 | jelly | Nojja: are you a person? |
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| 13:09.35 | anddam | jelly: that's odd |
| 13:09.46 | anddam | but it'd get just weird if he replied "No" |
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| 13:11.06 | anddam | themill: not totally clear after reading jessie-updates and jessie/updates |
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| 13:12.07 | molavy1 | hi |
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| 13:13.06 | jelly | anddam: jessie-updates is for fast-moving stuff like antiviruses where the version can often increase and it does not make a lot of sense to backport security fixes like the rest of the stuff in stable |
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| 13:13.24 | keltim | molavy1, of course. with the expected results ... failure, segfaults, etc. :) |
| 13:13.25 | molavy1 | ? |
| 13:13.40 | keltim | molavy1, why would you want to? |
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| 13:13.48 | jelly | molavy1: no, it's not safe to mix repositories for different operating systems |
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| 13:13.56 | mtn | molavy1: https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 13:14.06 | molavy1 | we have a ubuntu local network repo |
| 13:14.23 | molavy1 | I want install some packages fast, |
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| 13:14.47 | jelly | molavy1: install ubuntu if you want to use it |
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| 13:15.58 | molavy1 | jelly,keltim, mtn, thanks |
| 13:16.05 | blackflow | speaking of DontBreakDebian, I'm surprised that I forgot to install nvidia proprietary driver in Jessie. I guess it became so good for 2d stuff (playing html5 vids and even, ugh, flash) that I don't need it. |
| 13:16.17 | blackflow | it = nouveau |
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| 13:16.36 | keltim | I noticed nouveau has definitely improved |
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| 13:16.43 | molavy1 | I choose debian because our main server is too, I install packages from main repo so, thanks again |
| 13:16.47 | jelly | blackflow: try to suspend and resume, it breaks horribly for me after 1-2 suspend cycles |
| 13:17.02 | blackflow | jelly: I suspend every night, no problems |
| 13:17.11 | jelly | lucky bastard |
| 13:17.12 | blackflow | I guess I'm lucky. |
| 13:17.12 | anddam | jelly: I see thanks |
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| 13:17.17 | keltim | but nvidia-settings still does nice things about performance settings and temperature and power consumption |
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| 13:18.07 | jelly | keltim: temp. sensors might be available via lm_sensors, depending on the card and kernel support |
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| 13:18.18 | blackflow | Linux gaming is so horribly broken for me (tried Linux Steam game, they don't even come close to Windows versions on my GST250) that I really don't even need nvidia drivers. |
| 13:18.41 | blackflow | (of course, tried Steam with nvidia drivers, not nouveau) |
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| 13:18.50 | jelly | sensors-detect found the stuff on my older GT220 but fails with GT720 |
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| 13:19.27 | Roberth1990 | blackflow: wouldnt be suprised if is x.org server's fault |
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| 13:20.06 | blackflow | Roberth1990: probably. I'm looking forward to Wayland one way or another :) |
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| 13:20.48 | Roberth1990 | blackflow: yeah but nvidia drivers will probably take a long time before they come with support for wayland, exspecially with xwayland |
| 13:22.00 | blackflow | Roberth1990: until then, I've got Steam Big Picture Win 8.1 bootable from the other disk in the computer :) |
| 13:23.04 | blackflow | if only I could hybernate Debian, reboot to Win, and when I'm done, reboot back to and resume Debian :) |
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| 13:23.33 | Roberth1990 | use two computers :P |
| 13:23.46 | blackflow | lol yeah |
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| 13:23.54 | jelly | blackflow: might work if you're VERY careful never to mount same filesystems in both |
| 13:23.58 | Roberth1990 | have one with only free hardware if possible for linux, and one for windows made for gaming |
| 13:24.07 | Roberth1990 | and use kvm switch |
| 13:24.21 | blackflow | jelly: Roberth1990. I've got two disks, but I have no clue how to force Debian hybernation to allow me to select disks no reboot., |
| 13:24.39 | Roberth1990 | blackflow: I dont think that is possible |
| 13:24.57 | jelly | select disks? You always get the GRUB menu |
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| 13:26.18 | anddam | whys isn't jessie/updates called jessie/security-updates? |
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| 13:27.24 | Roberth1990 | anddam: because those updates fixes regular bugs too? |
| 13:27.36 | themill | because renaming things is worse than having slightly confusing names (and given that it's on security.debian.org it's sort of obvious) |
| 13:27.53 | anddam | themill: it's not obvious anymore on mirrors |
| 13:28.05 | anddam | where a single hostname provides all the⦠sections? |
| 13:28.16 | themill | jessie/updates should not be on mirrors |
| 13:28.28 | anddam | what's the proper name for main, -updates and /updates ? |
| 13:28.37 | SirLagz | woooooooooo jesssssiiieeeeeee |
| 13:28.47 | ompaul | anddam: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list please in http://paste.debian.net thanks |
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| 13:29.35 | jelly | themill: that explains why they renamed volatile to x-updates! |
| 13:29.49 | jelly | ... except, you know, not |
| 13:30.02 | themill | quite. Last minute, unreviewed changes ftl |
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| 13:30.10 | anddam | ompaul: can you accept gist as well? |
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| 13:30.51 | jelly | anddam: anything but pastebin.com :-) |
| 13:30.57 | ompaul | hehehe |
| 13:30.59 | anddam | ompaul: https://gist.github.com/anddam/36dcbb326ffa110a5018 |
| 13:31.15 | anddam | I prefer gist because I use github anyway and I can manage the gists at ease |
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| 13:31.35 | anddam | themill: and you were right, I hadn't notice |
| 13:31.40 | ompaul | anddam: # your wheezy lines if you want to use that file |
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| 13:32.17 | ompaul | anddam: also point to http://http.debian.net/debian not some $mirror unless you are on that network |
| 13:32.18 | anddam | ompaul: damn I thought I had |
| 13:32.38 | ompaul | and even then ... consider pointing at http.debian.net |
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| 13:33.21 | anddam | isn't the whole point of using mirror to lighten the load on debian's servers? |
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| 13:33.35 | ompaul | and http. takes you to a mirror |
| 13:33.44 | anddam | ompaul: also that mirror is lightning fast for me |
| 13:34.01 | ompaul | decides that his job is done |
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| 13:34.33 | anddam | ompaul: not to argue, I'll use http.debian.net |
| 13:34.49 | anddam | that apart is the file fine? |
| 13:35.11 | ompaul | it will work until you want backports etc |
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| 13:35.27 | ompaul | and frankly I'd leave it like that for a couple of months let everything good happen that is to happen |
| 13:35.47 | anddam | ompaul: what'd be the issue with backports? |
| 13:36.08 | blackflow | jelly: but the grub menu is unresponsive when waking up from hibernation |
| 13:36.30 | anddam | ompaul: btw I updated it |
| 13:37.03 | ompaul | anddam: you just got a new release - there is no issue but there won't be much in the lines of backports for a bit |
| 13:37.19 | ompaul | anddam: if you feel that backports are the way for you to work |
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| 13:38.28 | anddam | ompaul: I needed it in past, but you said that it'll work until I need backports |
| 13:38.39 | anddam | ompaul: what do you foresee will break when I'll need a backport? |
| 13:38.57 | anddam | wait a few moments please |
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| 13:40.14 | ompaul | anddam: I often wonder why people //need// things outside of the release cycle |
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| 13:40.29 | RainbowTiger | Hi |
| 13:40.42 | anddam | ompaul: in my case I needed fish 2 |
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| 13:40.53 | anddam | 1.23 is years old and lack features |
| 13:40.53 | ompaul | anddam: mostly they don't know what they have already |
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| 13:41.15 | posterdati300 | hi |
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| 13:41.35 | RainbowTiger | I've installed Debian Jessie in a virtual machine, and testing it. I wonder that "kernel-package" downloads ~890 MB and installs ~1.5 GB on my disk ... like Wheezy it was only some 100 MB downloaded and installed ... is that normal since Jessie? |
| 13:41.39 | posterdati300 | any jessie devs here? |
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| 13:42.13 | nkuttler | posterdati300: why do you ask? |
| 13:42.32 | posterdati300 | ... |
| 13:42.51 | ompaul | nkuttler: to pause them ... or was that paws ;-) |
| 13:42.53 | ompaul | shuts up] |
| 13:43.51 | nkuttler | RainbowTiger: you didn't install the suggested kernerl source before? |
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| 13:44.14 | posterdati300 | nkuttler: just to congratulate! |
| 13:44.34 | RainbowTiger | nkuttler: You mean the "kernel-headers-$(uname -r)" package? |
| 13:44.59 | nkuttler | RainbowTiger: more like linux-source, but i'm just guessing |
| 13:45.19 | xzgv | i upgraded/dist-upgraded wheezy to jessie (changed wheezy to jessie in sources.list) i'm good to go right? |
| 13:45.24 | RainbowTiger | nkuttler: didn't installed the src, only linux-headers, then kernel-package |
| 13:45.29 | nkuttler | RainbowTiger: or maybe when you installed it on wheezy you already had all the build tools, etc |
| 13:45.35 | posterdati300 | xzgv: laptop? |
| 13:45.46 | RainbowTiger | nkuttler: it's a fresh installation on a virtual machine |
| 13:45.46 | nkuttler | xzgv: have you checked the release notes? |
| 13:45.47 | posterdati300 | xzgv: nvidia video board? |
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| 13:46.09 | xzgv | posterdati300; desktop |
| 13:46.15 | xzgv | no nv |
| 13:46.24 | nkuttler | ah nice, the release notes say nothing about systemd breaking power management |
| 13:46.38 | posterdati300 | xzgv: read the guide in the topic and pay attention to old hardware |
| 13:47.02 | xzgv | posterdati300, ok thanks |
| 13:47.31 | posterdati300 | xzgv: anyway they did a great job and all should work if worked on wheezy |
| 13:47.40 | RainbowTiger | nkuttler: is it normal that x11 dev packages are installed too on a minimal non-desktop system in kernel-package? :O |
| 13:48.00 | nkuttler | RainbowTiger: for xconfig, sure |
| 13:48.01 | posterdati300 | xzgv: an hint: dist-upgrade from init 1 |
| 13:48.26 | RainbowTiger | nkuttler: okay, then it seems normal? ;) |
| 13:48.32 | anddam | ompaul: is the updated gist any saner? |
| 13:48.33 | xzgv | posterdati300, i'm gonna nuke systemd and replace with systemv- let you know what happens... |
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| 13:48.55 | posterdati300 | xzgv: on jessie? Why? |
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| 13:49.12 | xzgv | to get rid of systemd |
| 13:49.12 | blackflow | StaticLNX: pastebin your Shorewall configs |
| 13:49.29 | RainbowTiger | hmpf, so many systemd haters ... |
| 13:49.38 | StaticLNX | blackflow, ok |
| 13:49.43 | xzgv | systemd gives me a 90 seconds delay in sid |
| 13:49.56 | nkuttler | xzgv: fix whichever dependency it's waiting for |
| 13:49.57 | keltim | StaticLNX, you're QoSing anything? with l7 or otherwise? |
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| 13:50.12 | RainbowTiger | xzgv: my system boots faster than before :O |
| 13:50.16 | StaticLNX | no |
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| 13:50.53 | keltim | saw "binary logs" and was horrified but upon further examination thinks systemd is pretty awsome |
| 13:50.53 | xzgv | RainbowTiger, mine gives me a delay and i have to wait for it |
| 13:51.24 | blackflow | keltim: I find myself using journalctl exclusively to quickly look up with various simple filters. beats grep regex arcane invocations any time! |
| 13:51.55 | keltim | blackflow, yes much more sophisticated |
| 13:52.16 | xzgv | i'll be back |
| 13:52.33 | petn-randall | xzgv: Show us the output of 'systemd-analyze critical-chain' please. â http://paste.debian.net |
| 13:52.33 | xzgv | arnold's accent :9 |
| 13:52.36 | blackflow | keltim: I'm even thinking about dropping the syslog completely |
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| 13:52.49 | phix__ | WOOOOO!! JESSIE!!!!! |
| 13:52.51 | keltim | and really, I *would* like a logging system that could say, send json to one target and regular syslog to files and things like that |
| 13:53.11 | petn-randall | keltim: rsyslog can do that? |
| 13:53.17 | blackflow | keltim: you _can_ do that right? |
| 13:53.19 | keltim | petn-randall, no |
| 13:53.33 | keltim | wow, don't think so. Can systemd do that? |
| 13:53.59 | RainbowTiger | Hmm, Jessie looks nice, stable and, of course, faster than wheezy/squeeze. Great job to all developers ;) |
| 13:54.00 | blackflow | keltim: afaik you can query journald remotely for json data, and rsylog is rsyslog, always capable of remoting |
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| 13:54.36 | keltim | keltim, yes remoting, but I'm talking about one system that can send different outputs to different targets |
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| 13:55.18 | keltim | and json is wonderful but I don't want to read it with my own eyes :) |
| 13:55.21 | tremon | keltim: rsyslog can do that, it has sql, syslog and relp targets. no json though fafaik |
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| 13:55.47 | teraflop | keltim: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/json/ ? |
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| 14:00.39 | sphenxes01 | i would like to upgrade to jessie? I am using amd64. Must I update the kernel manually? And what if i try to clean jessie install should i update the kernel too? (I have not updated any kernel before). |
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| 14:01.31 | jelly | sphenxes01: upgrade from what? |
| 14:01.51 | sphenxes01 | jelly from wheezy |
| 14:02.02 | Roberth1990 | sphenxes01: yes |
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| 14:02.05 | jelly | sphenxes01: you'll get a new kernel as part of the release upgrade process. |
| 14:02.09 | anddam | upgraded |
| 14:02.14 | jelly | dpkg: wheezy->jessie |
| 14:02.14 | dpkg | Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> http://deb.li/ldcj . In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "wheezy" to "jessie". apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. 3rd party repos like <dmo> are known to cause problems with the upgrade. See also <jessie sysvinit>. |
| 14:02.15 | anddam | ompaul: did you further reply? |
| 14:02.28 | jelly | sphenxes01: read the link dpkg just listed |
| 14:02.29 | Roberth1990 | jelly: according the official docs, he needs to upgrade kernel manually with apt |
| 14:02.30 | xzgv | Just follow the instructions here:http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/How_to_remove_systemd_from_a_Debian_jessie/sid_installation , rebooted and no 90 seconds delay for me in jessie. |
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| 14:02.35 | sphenxes01 | thanks |
| 14:02.41 | Roberth1990 | jelly: dist-upgrade doesnt upgrade the kernel |
| 14:03.12 | jelly | Roberth1990: it does update a metapackage like linux-image-amd64 if it's installed |
| 14:03.27 | jelly | Roberth1990: and that one pulls in the jessie kernel. |
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| 14:04.51 | teraflop | xzgv: so instead investigating why you get such delay (systemd-analyze) you just got rid of systemd? |
| 14:04.54 | teraflop | ups |
| 14:04.57 | keltim | blackflow, can you create parser files for systemd such that one could feed it log4j and rails logs and other weirdness and have it spit out json? |
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| 14:05.17 | blackflow | keltim: I don't know, I'm new to it as well. |
| 14:05.21 | petn-randall | teraflop: Yeah, he was spreading FUD again. |
| 14:05.32 | Roberth1990 | jelly: okay? I saw a blog post from planet debian where a guy just did dist upgrade and the kernel did not upgrade and the machine failed to boot |
| 14:05.46 | petn-randall | He probably had a broken network config, which gives you a 30 second delay. |
| 14:06.13 | teraflop | petn-randall: or a bad line in /etc/fstab |
| 14:06.29 | teraflop | or whatever |
| 14:06.30 | petn-randall | teraflop: That drops you straight into the initramfs shell. |
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| 14:06.47 | teraflop | petn-randall: uhm right |
| 14:06.47 | teraflop | youre* |
| 14:07.14 | petn-randall | So we'll never find out what caused it. |
| 14:07.15 | ompaul | anddam: no |
| 14:07.33 | pailaps | hrm, has anybody gotten complaints from insserv? |
| 14:07.46 | pailaps | for some reason it complains : insserv: warning: script 'wide-dhcpv6-client' missing LSB tags and overrides |
| 14:07.56 | pailaps | the tags are actually there |
| 14:08.45 | jelly | Roberth1990: it's quite possible his setup did not have the metapackage installed for some reason |
| 14:08.48 | blackflow | The Jessie kernel is -ckt? Ubuntu's? |
| 14:08.54 | jelly | blackflow: yes |
| 14:08.58 | blackflow | jelly: wow! |
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| 14:09.19 | petn-randall | Why would it be "Ubuntu's"? |
| 14:09.22 | jelly | Canonical Kernel Team is maintaining 3.16 |
| 14:09.33 | Roberth1990 | doesnt it also include fixes the debian devs have added too? |
| 14:09.41 | Roberth1990 | jelly: okay |
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| 14:10.41 | jelly | Roberth1990: it does, 3.16.7-ckt tree is used as upstream by debian |
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| 14:11.17 | jelly | !ckt |
| 14:11.18 | dpkg | The Linux kernel in Debian 8 "Jessie" comes with the version string "ckt" as these receive long term support as a collaboration between the Debian and Ubuntu kernel maintainers: the Canonical Kernel Team. https://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2014/11/msg00154.html |
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| 14:12.11 | georgelappies | hi all |
| 14:12.21 | georgelappies | congrats on the release of Jessie |
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| 14:12.57 | thomasfuston | If i want to stay on testing i just have to replace jessie with testing in the sourcefile, am i right? |
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| 14:13.16 | centrx | he's right |
| 14:13.17 | jelly | thomasfuston: don't do that, replace it with stretch instead. |
| 14:13.24 | georgelappies | what version of gnome is in Jessie? |
| 14:13.40 | blackflow | three fourteen |
| 14:13.53 | georgelappies | thanks blackflow |
| 14:14.00 | thomasfuston | jelly: oh ok, are there reason why it is better? |
| 14:14.23 | georgelappies | and it will stay on it for all of Jessie? or will it move to 3.16 + once they become stable? |
| 14:14.37 | jelly | georgelappies: it will stay there |
| 14:14.46 | georgelappies | aah ok thanks |
| 14:14.48 | Roberth1990 | thomasfuston: yes |
| 14:15.06 | jelly | thomasfuston: control over upgrades when stretch is released |
| 14:15.10 | thomasfuston | ok |
| 14:15.22 | thomasfuston | thx for the fast answer |
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| 14:16.27 | jelly | thomasfuston: you might change your mind about tracking testing between now and stretch release, and having "testing" in there would make apt automatically pull crap from next testing |
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| 14:17.02 | jelly | thomasfuston: incidentally, prepare for a couple weeks-months of a really rough ride with testing now. |
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| 14:17.57 | jelly | thomasfuston: things are going to break, don't come crying because you got used to jessie being relatively usable |
| 14:18.08 | debian1 | Hello |
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| 14:18.27 | jelly | debian1: yes hello |
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| 14:18.52 | debian1 | I tried installing debian 8 yesterday. An installation error apppeared, however i did the checksum and it was fine. |
| 14:18.57 | debian1 | What could it be_ |
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| 14:19.00 | debian1 | ? |
| 14:19.21 | centrx | How can we know without the error message? |
| 14:19.50 | jelly | debian1: what was the error, precisely? |
| 14:20.00 | debian1 | I think it was system installation |
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| 14:20.16 | debian1 | what could be the problem_ |
| 14:20.32 | jelly | debian1: it will be hard to help without a specific symptom |
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| 14:20.55 | thomasfuston | jelly: i guess i stay with jessie for the next weeks/months then |
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| 14:21.30 | jelly | thomasfuston: that is a prudent move if you need your installation to work |
| 14:21.43 | jelly | or not have time fixing it |
| 14:22.03 | debian1 | jelly: It was something along those lines right after partitioning |
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| 14:23.00 | ompaul | thomasfuston: straight after a release is the bumpiest time, and then there are some really dodgy things called transitions over time, and they too are bumpy and sometimes kill whole useful areas of the machine like python or perl or your favourite desktop, lastly there are rc-releases |
| 14:23.15 | debian1 | ill try it now |
| 14:23.16 | ompaul | debian1: you need to give us the actual error |
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| 14:27.03 | gmbs | I have been running Jessie (by name, not as 'testing') for about 4 months. Do I need to change anything now that it is 'stable'? |
| 14:27.43 | ompaul | gmbs: just make sure you apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 14:27.46 | ompaul | and you'll be fine |
| 14:28.11 | gmbs | Excellent. Thanks! |
| 14:28.12 | ompaul | gmbs: already libreoffice has been replaced |
| 14:28.36 | gmbs | I know. Already upgraded |
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| 14:30.49 | ins3 | Hi, I am looking to mirror a forum since it's shutting down. I want to keep it up for archive purposes.. I tried wget -r it, but it doesn't work v ery well. The links still go back to the original site, I want it to go back to my site since it's going to be archived. Is there any way to do this with wget? |
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| 14:34.59 | nkuttler | ins3: check the man page. iirc wget can rewrite all links as relative |
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| 14:35.47 | jelly | ins3: you can't ask the owners for a database dump? |
| 14:36.08 | jelly | that would be a lot more efficient than a web crawl |
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| 14:36.25 | debian1 | Hello |
| 14:36.35 | jelly | debian1: yes hello |
| 14:36.36 | ins3 | I don't think they would give me that |
| 14:36.54 | jelly | ins3: but they'd allow you to web scrape the whole thing? |
| 14:36.54 | debian1 | The installation problem is: Install the system. |
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| 14:37.34 | debian1 | jelly: why could that be_ |
| 14:37.36 | debian1 | ? |
| 14:37.57 | ins3 | Well.. I haven't exactly asked for permission |
| 14:38.05 | jelly | debian1: can you make a snapshot image with a camera? |
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| 14:39.48 | jelly | debian1: you ought to see the logs of what's happening on Ctrl-Alt-F4 (if I remember correctly. Maybe it's Ctrl-Alt-F3) |
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| 14:40.34 | teraflop | I've never seen a good camera shot of a pc/laptop screen |
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| 14:41.44 | jelly | teraflop: my $100 chinese smartphone takes excellent pictures of 1680x1050 or 1920x1080 LCD screens |
| 14:43.13 | teraflop | jelly: i do not doubt that, Im talking about the skills of the photographer |
| 14:44.58 | bazhang | is this ##vogue |
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| 14:45.46 | dvs | bazhang: Yup, they're taking pictures of jessie |
| 14:46.05 | bazhang | mea culpa then |
| 14:46.14 | ins3 | lol |
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| 14:46.28 | jelly | teraflop: well, it needs to be readable... not a lot of skill for that, just focus and not completely horrible light |
| 14:47.25 | jelly | if only there was a decent OCR for VGA font, I'd send more kernel bug reports |
| 14:48.30 | jelly | debian1: in any case, here's how to submit an install report: https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/ch05s04.html.en#problem-report |
| 14:48.40 | teraflop | oh I never thought doing that way, it sounds useful |
| 14:50.25 | jelly | got a couple nouveau crashes snapshotted that way... then moved back to nvidia blob because it's a PITA to type that crap in |
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| 14:52.28 | swordsmanz | nvidias blob driver is actually really good tho |
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| 14:52.50 | cybrNaut | ins3: try cURL if wget doesn't pan out. I know curl will rewrite urls |
| 14:53.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, some cameras just refuse to focus on that distance and then it gets a little... |
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| 14:54.20 | Brigo | swordsmanz, it depends on your card |
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| 14:54.50 | Goran_ | when i boot debian live, can i apt-get software into the ram disc? (my pc has a lot of ram) |
| 14:54.57 | jelly | Goran_: yes |
| 14:55.16 | Goran_ | thanks |
| 14:55.23 | jelly | it will all be lost at reboot, but you already know that |
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| 14:56.30 | RoyK | http://paste.debian.net/169061/ <-- any idea about this? |
| 14:56.43 | Goran_ | does the new debian work well on haswell? |
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| 14:57.37 | deego | What's that security package that tells you if something is unsupported? that pkg would tell you that chromium is unspported in wheezy, for example |
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| 14:59.17 | centrx | deego, debian-security-support ? |
| 14:59.21 | teraflop | Goran_: you ask because the intel microcode issues? |
| 14:59.25 | deego | centrx: ah, thanks! |
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| 15:00.15 | Goran_ | well, i got the 4ghz haswell pc, and all linuxes i tried can't do the partitioning properly (despite fdisc seeing them) |
| 15:00.37 | jelly | RoyK: which command results in that? Are you doing a wheezy->jessie release upgrade? |
| 15:00.57 | jelly | also, pretty |
| 15:00.59 | teraflop | Goran_: hmmm, i do not think this is related to your cpu |
| 15:01.21 | Goran_ | I'm thinking maybe i can create a ext3 partition with easeUS and install with debootstrap, but i don't know if it's safe |
| 15:01.46 | jelly | Goran_: how large is the disk you plan to use for OS? |
| 15:02.02 | RoyK | jelly: indeed |
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| 15:02.38 | Goran_ | the disc is 2TB, mbr formatted |
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| 15:02.58 | Goran_ | maybe it's a buggy bios issue? |
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| 15:03.53 | RoyK | Goran_: IIRC you need UEFI for >2TB |
| 15:03.58 | jelly | Goran_: could be. Can you make sure UEFI is disabled and BIOS compatibility is enabled? Also, is the disk controller set to AHCI / native mode? |
| 15:04.10 | teraflop | Goran_: bios or uefi? |
| 15:04.20 | Goran_ | bios |
| 15:04.25 | jelly | RoyK: technically he needs GPT partition table for that, not UEFI |
| 15:04.42 | somiaj | RoyK: and only if you want a single partition over 2TB. |
| 15:04.44 | RoyK | jelly: yes |
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| 15:06.27 | Goran_ | the size reported by windows is 1863.02gb. is that over the limit for MBR? |
| 15:06.39 | SamsaraSoup | jasabella, Thanks, I was trying to be original. Now it's just stuck. |
| 15:08.05 | jelly | Goran_: that's fine |
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| 15:13.40 | jelly | RoyK: I got disconnected. Did you say command generated your output |
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| 15:15.19 | RoyK | jelly: it was the initial output from dist-upgrade, yes |
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| 15:16.38 | jelly | RoyK: did you do an "apt-get upgrade" before that or not? |
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| 15:16.43 | starbuck | hi, anybody using iptables-persistent with jessie? |
| 15:17.08 | jaggzt | weird.. why's pamsumm not in debian'ss netpbm utils? |
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| 15:17.27 | RoyK | jelly: yep |
| 15:17.32 | ahop | Hi, I just installed dhcp3-server |
| 15:17.35 | jaggzt | also, pnmarith is the old name.. was replaced with pamarith in.. what.. 2002 |
| 15:17.41 | jaggzt | http://netpbm.sourceforge.net/doc/pamsumm.html |
| 15:17.45 | jaggzt | http://netpbm.sourceforge.net/doc/pamarith.html |
| 15:17.47 | ahop | how to know if some IP has been attributed yet? |
| 15:17.51 | ahop | is there a CLI command? |
| 15:18.09 | RoyK | jelly: but it's running - let's see if it works out - otherwise, well, reinstall :P |
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| 15:18.44 | RoyK | ahop: /var/log/dhcpd(something) should say |
| 15:18.49 | jelly | RoyK: and the "apt-get upgrade" finished its set of packages nicely without complaining? |
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| 15:19.25 | RoyK | jelly: yes, but not an issue yet |
| 15:19.26 | ahop | RoyK: no such file |
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| 15:19.37 | RoyK | ahop: did you configure dhcpd? |
| 15:19.43 | ahop | not yet |
| 15:19.48 | ahop | isn't there a default config? |
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| 15:20.04 | RoyK | ahop: no, just a skeleton |
| 15:20.20 | ahop | hum... |
| 15:20.42 | ahop | Do I really need this if I just want to connect my RaspberryPi in ethernet directly to my desktop computer? |
| 15:20.57 | ahop | I want my desktop to give an IP to the Rpi |
| 15:20.58 | RoyK | ahop: you'll have to configure a network and ip addresses for lease |
| 15:21.07 | ahop | hum... |
| 15:21.15 | ahop | ok |
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| 15:23.31 | jk_ | hi, is it usual, that openvpn does not rout traffic to the vpn server through the vpn? |
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| 15:32.36 | starbuck | hey guys how do i restart iptables / iptables-persistent iwth systemd? |
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| 15:38.17 | StaticLNX | Any idea why after I set forwarding in sysctl and setup shorewall youtube stutters very badly? |
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| 15:39.11 | StaticLNX | especially on machines behind the debian box |
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| 15:40.48 | EequalsMCsquared | hi, should I use "cp" or "dd" to copy .iso file to usb stick? |
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| 15:47.05 | Roberth1990 | if I run uefi, how do I find out what GFXMODE my computer can handle? |
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| 15:49.52 | Pinchiukas | I'm reading http://docs.docker.com/installation/debian/ and I'm not finding the docker.io package in my machine. Is this me not seeing it or is the doc wrong? |
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| 15:50.16 | jk_ | EequalsMCsquared: cp copies the iso as file to the usb stick, dd copies is as filesystem |
| 15:50.34 | jk_ | Pinchiukas: are you using jessie? |
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| 15:51.17 | Pinchiukas | jk_: yes. |
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| 15:51.30 | Roberth1990 | Pinchiukas: looks like docker.io is only in sid |
| 15:51.40 | Pinchiukas | That's... weird... |
| 15:51.42 | jk_ | Pinchiukas: docker.io has been removed from jessie and will come in the backports |
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| 15:52.38 | jk_ | Docker has entered Debian (see the docker.io package). As of 2015-03-31 it is removed from Jessie, at the maintainer's request. ( https://wiki.debian.org/Docker ) |
| 15:52.44 | Pinchiukas | jk_: any idea why it was removed? |
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| 15:53.13 | jk_ | Pinchiukas: as I understood, it wasn't stable enough |
| 15:53.14 | Henry151 | so my room-mate is all full of himself about how he has ubuntu running on his phone |
| 15:53.19 | nkuttler | starbuck: with service, apparently it's called netfilter-persistent |
| 15:53.31 | teraflop | jk_: you can cp iso /dev/sdx |
| 15:53.34 | Henry151 | i just argued with him for twenty minutes about why debian is superior to ubuntu |
| 15:53.51 | Henry151 | so he says "but can you put debian on your phone?" |
| 15:53.52 | rozie | Pinchiukas: take a look on bugs.debian.org. this should be explained there |
| 15:53.55 | deego | zomg, why would you get into these arguments? |
| 15:53.55 | Henry151 | and of course i can |
| 15:53.59 | nkuttler | Henry151: why even bother.. do you have a technical problem we can help you with? |
| 15:54.03 | jk_ | teraflop: ok, i didn't know that, any difference to dd? |
| 15:54.07 | deego | and why am i getting into /this/ argument? |
| 15:54.08 | Henry151 | no... |
| 15:54.12 | mitfree | Henry151: lol |
| 15:54.14 | Henry151 | i just wanted to chat ... |
| 15:54.15 | nkuttler | Henry151: #debian-offtopic then |
| 15:54.18 | Henry151 | ok |
| 15:54.52 | starbuck | nkuttler, thx, but how stupid is that, the name of the package ist iptables-persistent |
| 15:54.58 | teraflop | jk_: none, regarding to put the iso on the usb and make it bootable |
| 15:55.04 | nkuttler | starbuck: i agree. file a bug |
| 15:55.41 | starbuck | nkuttler, it was iptables-persistent in wheezy |
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| 15:55.51 | nkuttler | starbuck: that was pre systemd |
| 15:55.55 | starbuck | i mean, service iptables-persistent restart etc... |
| 15:56.00 | jk_ | btw, why is openvpn not routing connections to the vpn server through the vpn? |
| 15:56.00 | starbuck | ah ok |
| 15:56.17 | nkuttler | starbuck: actually, never mind that. no idea |
| 15:56.30 | teraflop | jk_: look at your server.conf |
| 15:56.34 | starbuck | so some services can be managed by 'service' and some have to be managed by 'systemctl', is that right? |
| 15:57.00 | jk_ | teraflop: well its routing everything to the vpn, except the connection that goes to the server the vpn runs on, i have no clue why |
| 15:58.20 | teraflop | jk_: sorry my english is very limited, i do not understand what you say |
| 15:58.34 | Pinchiukas | So this pretty much looks like no docker for Debian. :/ |
| 15:58.48 | Roberth1990 | Pinchiukas: for now |
| 15:59.33 | jk_ | teraflop, do you speak german? otherwise i dont have any other languages to choose from |
| 15:59.56 | Pinchiukas | Roberth1990: until the next stable release? :) |
| 16:00.10 | rozie | nah. there are backports |
| 16:00.12 | Roberth1990 | Pinchiukas: as said, it will most likely appear in backports |
| 16:00.18 | nkuttler | starbuck: netfilter-persistent is a new package it seems. not sure why the old one isn't removed |
| 16:00.53 | Pinchiukas | Oh... Would be nice if docker had a Debian repo as well as an Ubuntu one. |
| 16:01.02 | nkuttler | starbuck: the old package is rendered useless though as the init script is apparently removed |
| 16:01.12 | teraflop | jk_: i just do not understand what are you trying to say about: "except the connection that goes to the server the vpn runs on" |
| 16:01.30 | teraflop | that's make no sense for me |
| 16:02.11 | teraflop | that makes* |
| 16:02.30 | starbuck | nkuttler, oh man |
| 16:02.47 | starbuck | so where do i save my iptabels script now? |
| 16:03.07 | jk_ | teraflop: when i traceroute google it goes: lan->vpn->google, but when i traceroute my vpn ip, it goes: lan->router->vpnserver |
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| 16:03.25 | nkuttler | starbuck: looks like it works the same |
| 16:04.01 | starbuck | before it was in saved in /etc/iptables/rules.v4 |
| 16:04.39 | RoyK | home server upgraded to jessie with all its hichs - a few issues but it worked well, thanks |
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| 16:07.01 | axel_fly | how to disable right click on my notebook? so that i use every time left click |
| 16:07.01 | Okitain | Hello people! Can anyone screenshot me the default KDE font config? |
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| 16:07.28 | Okitain | axel_fly: do you mean "how to disable right click on touchpad?" |
| 16:07.42 | axel_fly | yes |
| 16:07.55 | axel_fly | Okitain: you understand me :) |
| 16:08.06 | teraflop | jk_: do you connect to the vpn through your router (as in you have a lan ip address)? |
| 16:08.26 | Okitain | axel_fly: which desktop environment do you have? |
| 16:08.31 | axel_fly | gnome |
| 16:08.36 | axel_fly | on debian jessie |
| 16:08.41 | nmschulte | I have an Android device running software that outputs NMEA (GPS) location strings over bluetooth via the serial port emulator. I'm having trouble using bluetoothctl to connect to it, however. I can pair with it, but I cannot connect. Is anyone able to help troubleshoot? I am installing blueman now. |
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| 16:09.34 | jk_ | yes |
| 16:09.36 | axel_fly | Okitain: gnome with debian jessie on dell inspiron-7537 |
| 16:09.40 | jk_ | teraflop: yes |
| 16:10.30 | Okitain | axel_fly: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Touchpad_Synaptics#GNOME.2FCinnamon |
| 16:10.33 | teraflop | nmschulte: i had the same issue, i ended using blueman because bluetoothctl does not honor the serial port setup |
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| 16:10.53 | teraflop | jk_: and are you using ipv6? |
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| 16:11.13 | Okitain | axel_fly: (this is the best guide for non-kde I could find, although i can't guarantee it will work with your touchpad) |
| 16:11.16 | nmschulte | teraflop: I tried with blueman, but it says: Device added successfully, but could not connect. |
| 16:11.32 | nmschulte | So, same deal. |
| 16:11.33 | axel_fly | Okitain: OK, thanks |
| 16:11.33 | teraflop | nmschulte: setup a serial port connection |
| 16:11.40 | axel_fly | i will try it |
| 16:11.56 | RoyK | my ISP doesn't support IPv6 - just 6rd if I supply the equipment for it myself - that sucks |
| 16:12.00 | nmschulte | teraflop: That's what I tried. I will again. |
| 16:12.27 | teraflop | nmschulte: not weird at all, let me see if I find my script |
| 16:12.28 | Dagger | jk_: connections to the VPN don't go over the VPN, because then the VPN wouldn't work |
| 16:12.58 | Dagger | jk_: outer VPN packets would just get fed back into the VPN rather than get sent to the server |
| 16:13.31 | jk_ | Dagger: is there any way to access sites on this server through the vpn? |
| 16:13.37 | jk_ | teraflop: no, ipv4 |
| 16:13.42 | nmschulte | teraflop: do I need to do this as root? |
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| 16:14.27 | teraflop | the serial port stuff, hmm i dont remember |
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| 16:14.45 | Dagger | jk_: the server ought to have an address on its side of the VPN connection that you can use |
| 16:15.05 | nmschulte | I get the same message as root. I'll keep looking, awaiting your script teraflop; thanks! |
| 16:15.12 | Dagger | or that you may be able to use, depending on listen settings, firewall etc |
| 16:16.26 | jk_ | Dagger: so i have to connect to the local address |
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| 16:16.47 | superfast | whoooo! I am finally trying Debian 8 |
| 16:16.50 | superfast | Live CD works |
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| 16:18.09 | Dagger | jk_: in theory you could do policy routing to pick the route based on ip+port rather than just IP... but frankly that's a huge pain to set up |
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| 16:19.08 | EequalsMCsquared | jk_: whats the most preferable? dd or cp? |
| 16:19.11 | jk_ | Dagger: i think thats my only way, since i have different applications running on the same ports on local and public ip |
| 16:19.27 | teraflop | nmschulte: nah I cant find it, anyway you need to do sdptool browse xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx and see in what channel is RFCOMM listenning |
| 16:19.53 | jk_ | EequalsMCsquared: depends on what you want to do, for filesystem copying i'm using dd, everywhere else cp |
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| 16:20.24 | teraflop | nmschulte: then setup in /etc/bluetooth/rfcomm.conf and then do rfcomm bind rfcomm0 |
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| 16:20.46 | nmschulte | teraflop: similar to this: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Bluetooth_GPRS_Howto#Instructions |
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| 16:21.10 | nmschulte | but for my serial device, not DUN? |
| 16:21.16 | EequalsMCsquared | jk_: I want to copy the debian .iso to an usb for booting, therefore the logic is to use dd I guess. But the manual tells to use cp. |
| 16:21.48 | teraflop | nmschulte: yes for the rfcomm, http://www.catb.org/gpsd/bt.html |
| 16:22.12 | jk_ | EequalsMCsquared: someone told me that you also can use cp debian.iso /dev/sdx, but i never tried that |
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| 16:22.24 | teraflop | nmschulte: then blueman will detect the serial port when you pair the bt device |
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| 16:23.50 | EequalsMCsquared | jk_: I guess both might work, I'll stick with dd, thank you |
| 16:23.55 | jk_ | np |
| 16:23.58 | nmschulte | teraflop: thanks |
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| 16:24.19 | nmschulte | teraflop: I think the tablet may be timing out before I configure; I'll test that theory then try all the clie |
| 16:24.20 | jetscreamer | cp wouldn't make the stick bootable though eh? |
| 16:24.33 | Fuusko | I am looking to download debian 7, I can only find 8 at debian.org |
| 16:25.17 | jetscreamer | you might /msg dpkg oldstable |
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| 16:25.27 | EequalsMCsquared | Fuusko: https://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/ |
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| 16:25.39 | teraflop | nmschulte: for that stuff (smartphones, tablets) may be is better just use some android app for that purposses, i did that stuff with a dedicated BT gps receiver |
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| 16:26.08 | moozzz | hi guys, after making dist-upgrade my samba and gvfs-backends have been purged. Trying to install them back but constantly getting a dependencies problem. I am running debian testing. Does anyone know why this is happening? Could it be connected to the yesterday's release of Debian 8? |
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| 16:26.23 | deepblue | could i safely tun this:"echo "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/noobslab/icons/ubuntu precise main" | sudo tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list"? |
| 16:26.32 | deepblue | run* |
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| 16:27.01 | Fuusko | "Debian 7 has been superseded by Debian 8 (jessie). Some of these installation images may no longer be available, or may no longer work, and you are recommended to install jessie instead." |
| 16:27.09 | AlexLikeRock | Moonspell, what pakages need install ? |
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| 16:27.41 | jetscreamer | you could /msg dpkg why is foo not in testing... i think |
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| 16:27.54 | tremon | deepblue: running that command would be safe, your resulting system probably not |
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| 16:28.19 | nmschulte | teraflop: the dedicated app creates the low-level NMEA stringed serial port |
| 16:28.27 | nmschulte | this is perfect, thanks tera |
| 16:28.36 | teraflop | nmschulte: ah nice ;) |
| 16:28.40 | jelly | Fuusko: so does downloading amd64 netinst from there actually fail for you, or? |
| 16:29.01 | Fuusko | i need the armel |
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| 16:29.19 | Fuusko | and it says 8.0.0 when i dl it |
| 16:29.23 | nmschulte | teraflop: /dev/rfcomm0 is the guy? |
| 16:29.28 | nmschulte | my serial port? |
| 16:29.29 | teraflop | nmschulte: yep |
| 16:29.32 | nmschulte | :D |
| 16:29.56 | AlexLikeRock | moozzz, what pakages need install ? |
| 16:29.57 | teraflop | well, you setup in your config |
| 16:29.58 | nmschulte | how can I test? |
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| 16:30.01 | AlexLikeRock | teraflop, / |
| 16:30.09 | teraflop | AlexLikeRock: o/ |
| 16:30.12 | AlexLikeRock | XD |
| 16:30.18 | teraflop | nmschulte: rfcomm bind rfcomm0 |
| 16:30.19 | Fuusko | well, i gues ill try 8.0, it might work |
| 16:30.31 | nmschulte | teraflop: I actually needed: # rfcomm bind hci0 rfcomm0 |
| 16:30.57 | jelly | Fuusko: oh, that's a bug. Get 7.8 from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
| 16:31.02 | teraflop | nmschulte: sure, im talking from my memories |
| 16:31.09 | moozzz | AlexanderS, for samba it requires python-samba, samba-common-bin, samba-dsdb-modules, samba-libs and samba-vfs-modules |
| 16:31.27 | Fuusko | jelly: THX!! |
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| 16:31.47 | moozzz | AlexLikeRock: for samba it requires python-samba, samba-common-bin, samba-dsdb-modules, samba-libs and samba-vfs-modules |
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| 16:32.02 | AlexanderS | :D |
| 16:32.04 | AlexLikeRock | moozzz, do thies |
| 16:32.12 | hassoon | when we say debian 8 jessie is released, do we mean that what was jessie(testing) has become wheezy(stable) today ? |
| 16:32.19 | AlexLikeRock | aptitude udate |
| 16:32.36 | AlexLikeRock | aptitude install python-samba samba-common-bin samba-dsdb-modules samba-libs samba-vfs-modules |
| 16:32.43 | jelly | hassoon: no, jessie(testing) has become jessie(stable) |
| 16:32.51 | AlexLikeRock | at terminal as root moozzz |
| 16:33.16 | AlexLikeRock | or open synaptic and isntall |
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| 16:33.22 | hassoon | what about wheezy? will it become (old-stable) ? |
| 16:33.32 | AlexLikeRock | yes hassoon |
| 16:33.59 | nmschulte | teraflop: you still needed to use blueman to connect to the serial port after using rfcomm bind? |
| 16:34.00 | moozzz | AlexLikeRock: I tried the same with apt-get but it didnt work out. Will try your solution now and let you know! |
| 16:34.01 | jelly | hassoon: it did already, yes |
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| 16:34.30 | AlexLikeRock | moozzz, do you did aptitude update fist ? |
| 16:34.39 | AlexLikeRock | its nesesari moozzz |
| 16:34.47 | jelly | !tell moozzz about basic apt troubleshooting |
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| 16:35.46 | Fuusko | btw is it possible to install the armel version of debian on a x64 computer? I messed up my NAS and need to install armel on a disk before putting it in the NAS. |
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| 16:35.59 | teraflop | nmschulte: yes or yes, no clue using bluetoothctl ... and I tried hard I swear |
| 16:36.23 | nmschulte | haha, thanks. I'm seeing no data coming from /dev/rfcomm0 |
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| 16:36.32 | nmschulte | so I must have it setup correctly. |
| 16:36.37 | AlexLikeRock | Fuusko, your computer must they have a chip ARM |
| 16:36.49 | Fuusko | damn, im screwed then |
| 16:36.50 | AlexLikeRock | LOL |
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| 16:37.17 | teraflop | nmschulte: may be youll get success using bluetoothctl, i didnt |
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| 16:37.46 | AlexLikeRock | moozzz, how its going ? |
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| 16:38.09 | lopho_ | I'm running Wheezy with nginx backport, should I take some special consideration when upgrade or just remove the backports reference in sources.list ? |
| 16:38.26 | moozzz | AlexLikeRock: Die folgenden Pakete haben verletzte Abhängigkeiten: |
| 16:38.26 | moozzz | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:38.58 | moozzz | AlexLikeRock: the same I got with apt-get, in principle |
| 16:39.35 | Roberth1990 | !de |
| 16:39.35 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 16:40.13 | AlexLikeRock | aptitude its more friendly then apt-get ;-) |
| 16:40.36 | teraflop | moozzz: you dont want to talk to AlexLikeRock in german :P |
| 16:40.42 | jelly | !tell moozzz about localized errors |
| 16:40.52 | nmschulte | teraflop: # rfcomm connect hci0 D8:50:E6:82:0C:DA 3 -- PRESTO! |
| 16:41.10 | jelly | moozzz: put LC_ALL=C in front of your apt command to get messages in English |
| 16:41.13 | moozzz | jelly, sorry, I should have translated it |
| 16:41.17 | AlexLikeRock | LOL |
| 16:41.21 | teraflop | heh |
| 16:41.41 | teraflop | nmschulte: presto significa ready? |
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| 16:41.52 | jelly | moozzz: do not translate please, but instead put the whole command + output into a pastebin |
| 16:42.07 | teraflop | this is a babel tower damnit |
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| 16:43.02 | AlexLikeRock | moozzz, aptitude reinstall libldb1 |
| 16:43.10 | AlexLikeRock | then |
| 16:43.23 | AlexLikeRock | moozzz, aptitude install samba-libs |
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| 16:43.57 | teraflop | nmschulte: then launch gpsd and get fun I suppose |
| 16:44.52 | jelly | AlexLikeRock: you're making a mess, first you need to figure out _why_ the user is getting these messages |
| 16:45.32 | jelly | !basic apt troubleshooting |
| 16:45.32 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 16:46.23 | moozzz | AlexLikeRock: I did aptitude reinstall libldb1 + install samba-libs. In the first case, it has reinstalled properly, in the second "samba-libs : Depends: libldb1 (< 2:1.1.18~) but 2:1.1.20-1 is installed" |
| 16:46.30 | AlexLikeRock | frangor, o/ |
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| 16:46.57 | jelly | moozzz: please follow what dpkg said above. |
| 16:47.20 | jelly | moozzz: do an "export LC_ALL=C" before to get messages in English |
| 16:47.41 | AlexLikeRock | jelly, no problem germany |
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| 16:47.48 | AlexLikeRock | i can read :D |
| 16:47.56 | frangor | hello guys |
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| 16:47.58 | moozzz | jelly, I've just done it, now I get output in English, thanks |
| 16:48.02 | moozzz | AlexLikeRock: which probably means I have to downgrade to 2:1.1.18 |
| 16:48.03 | AlexLikeRock | hola frangora ! |
| 16:48.05 | frangor | hello AlexLikeRock, nice to meet you |
| 16:48.06 | frangor | xD |
| 16:48.09 | AlexLikeRock | yes moozzz |
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| 16:48.22 | jelly | AlexLikeRock: maybe you can read, but telling people to install more stuff before understanding the issue can just make more damage |
| 16:48.48 | AlexLikeRock | moozzz, you are 64 bit or 32 bit ? |
| 16:49.10 | moozzz | AlexLikeRock: 64, debian testing |
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| 16:49.20 | AlexLikeRock | aptitude remove libldb1 |
| 16:49.20 | teraflop | jelly: i think is hard to communicate with AlexLikeRock, good look with that |
| 16:49.31 | jelly | AlexLikeRock: just ... stop. |
| 16:49.47 | teraflop | *luck |
| 16:50.09 | AlexLikeRock | moozzz, download hir old version https://packages.debian.org/jessie/amd64/libldb1/download |
| 16:50.15 | jelly | AlexLikeRock: if you keep throwing random commands I'm going to have to quiet you and I don't want to do that, you seem good hearted |
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| 16:50.23 | AlexLikeRock | and isntall |
| 16:50.57 | AlexLikeRock | moozzz, dpkg -i /path/route/pakage.deb |
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| 16:51.18 | AlexLikeRock | then |
| 16:51.24 | AlexLikeRock | aptitude install samba-libs |
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| 16:55.44 | AlexLikeRock | good luck moozzz |
| 16:55.49 | AlexLikeRock | bye every one |
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| 16:58.26 | factor | I upgraded to D8 last night and rebooted this morning , I get a systemd error and logs say /bin/plymouth not found |
| 16:58.41 | factor | when its trying to FSCk |
| 16:59.37 | moozzz | jelly, sorry guys for this strange talk with AlexLikeRock. I didnt follow his advices since I know from my previous experience that installing even more packages is not a good idea |
| 17:00.22 | moozzz | jelly, so what exactly should I do? |
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| 17:01.52 | jelly | moozzz: put all the requested info into paste.debian.net or somewhere. your whole command and its output, also "apt-cache policy", and also "apt-cache policy samba samba-libs libldb1" |
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| 17:03.22 | moozzz | jelly, ok, will do it now |
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| 17:05.05 | jake_ | Is Skype in non-free in debian 8? |
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| 17:09.27 | moozzz | jelly, http://paste.debian.net/169100/ |
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| 17:11.18 | jelly | moozzz: why do you have testing and unstable and jessie-backports enabled? |
| 17:12.14 | Achylles | Where can I get testing image to download... |
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| 17:13.00 | nkuttler | Achylles: use the stable installer in expert mode |
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| 17:13.38 | jelly | Achylles: there won't be a testing installer for a while |
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| 17:14.09 | nkuttler | Achylles: and it's really for testing the installer, not installing testing |
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| 17:14.55 | Achylles | ok |
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| 17:16.51 | jelly | moozzz: which branch are you actually targeting? |
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| 17:17.03 | moozzz | jelly, I am not sure I need them all. unstable appeared there because I am using the beta version of iceweasel. jessie-backborts were there by default when I was installing jessie |
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| 17:17.53 | moozzz | jelly, I would like to stay with testing generally but from time to time be able to install packages from unstable |
| 17:18.12 | gone-------- | how would i pastebinit /var/log/user.log? |
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| 17:18.20 | jelly | moozzz: do you need this system to work? |
| 17:18.28 | Achylles | jelly, nkuttler I have downloaded debian-8.0.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso If I install it, whenever testing come up, can I change my sources.list from jessie to testing and do a dist-upgrade? |
| 17:18.34 | gone-------- | i tried pastebinit /var/log/user.log but had no success |
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| 17:18.50 | moozzz | jelly, definitely I do =) |
| 17:18.54 | jelly | Achylles: yes, but change it to stretch not testing. |
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| 17:19.15 | jelly | moozzz: then neither testing nor unstable is a smart choice for the next couple of months. |
| 17:19.33 | nacon_ | I'm trying to set up a dwm session (on Jessie) besides my default Gnome session, in order to replace Gnome's window manager with dwm. Now, I have two questions. 1/ what gnome daemons do I have to start in my dwm session file? I found out about gnome-settings-daemon and gnome-volumne-monitor.. is there something else I need? 2/ dwm uses e.g. alt+shift+return as key binding, but it seems like shift gets sil |
| 17:19.33 | nacon_ | ently swallowed. I tried switching to windowsKey+shift+return but its really the shift key that is missing. The shift key works in the terminal/in vim, tough. Any ideas? |
| 17:19.34 | Achylles | jelly, stretch???!!! |
| 17:19.41 | jelly | !stretch |
| 17:19.41 | dpkg | The release following Debian 8 "Jessie" is codenamed "Stretch" (the rubber octopus in Toy Story 3) and will be Debian 9. https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2014/11/msg00005.html |
| 17:19.57 | moozzz | jelly, can I stay with jessie that for the next couple of months? |
| 17:20.06 | moozzz | jelly, then* |
| 17:20.23 | jelly | moozzz: yes, but you'll have to downgrade a few packages. |
| 17:20.30 | jelly | !jessie sources.list |
| 17:20.31 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
| 17:20.48 | jelly | moozzz: clean your sources.list and replace it with the above |
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| 17:21.25 | jelly | moozzz: after that, read /msg dpkg partial downgrade |
| 17:21.33 | lopho_ | I have wheezy + nginx backport. how can I upgrade without going to testing version of nginx? |
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| 17:21.58 | jelly | lopho_: upgrade to debian 8? |
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| 17:22.24 | lopho_ | jelly, I want to upgrade to debian 8 but leave the jessie's version of nginx, should I remove backports entry in sources.list? |
| 17:22.30 | jelly | lopho_: yes. |
| 17:22.43 | lopho_ | thank you :) |
| 17:22.50 | jelly | !tell lopho_ about wheezy->jessie |
| 17:22.58 | pfred1 | Can someone that has installed the Nvidia binary drivers though the package manager run this command for me, and tell me what it does? update-alternatives --config nvidia |
| 17:23.06 | Achylles | I am already tired of Toy Story release names... |
| 17:23.36 | jelly | pfred1: "There is only one alternative in link group nvidia (providing /usr/lib/nvidia/nvidia): /usr/lib/nvidia/current\nNothing to configure." |
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| 17:23.55 | moozzz | jelly, thanks for your advices. And what should I do with my beta version of iceweasel? should I also downgrate it? |
| 17:24.11 | pfred1 | jelly thanks, but that doesn't sound like much of a choice |
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| 17:24.32 | jelly | moozzz: you might keep the "http://mozilla.debian.net/ experimental/iceweasel-beta" repo for a while |
| 17:25.09 | jelly | pfred1: correct, I don't need legacy version or anything newer, so there's only one installed |
| 17:25.15 | pfred1 | jelly would you happen to know how i could switch from the binary Nvidia driver back to nouveau? |
| 17:25.30 | jelly | pfred1: that's not what this alternative is for. |
| 17:26.11 | pfred1 | jelly I can see that my question is which one is? |
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| 17:27.03 | jelly | pfred1: to switch from nvidia to nouveau without uninstalling it, you want to: remove nouveau module blacklist, remove nvidia xorg module enforcing in xorg.conf or /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/, and switch the libgl1 alternative to mesa |
| 17:27.18 | jelly | this might be documented somewhere |
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| 17:27.27 | pfred1 | if it is they sure hide it well |
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| 17:27.51 | jelly | probably because there's 3-4 things to care about so noone documented it yet |
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| 17:28.06 | pfred1 | jelly and no, uninstalling things will not do me much good in the future if I ever want to switch back |
| 17:28.24 | jelly | pfred1: it's easy to install it back. |
| 17:28.51 | pfred1 | jelly maybe today it is but in 3, or 4 years when the repositories are all shut down it may not be so easy then |
| 17:29.17 | jelly | !tell pfred1 about archive.debian.org |
| 17:30.31 | pfred1 | jelly in any event uninstalling, and reinstalling is not a method I am interested in pursuing for this particular case |
| 17:31.01 | jelly | pfred1: it's simpler than doing the above |
| 17:31.07 | pfred1 | I do not consider it a valid solution |
| 17:31.17 | jelly | ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
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| 17:33.01 | jelly | I'm only saying that because I've done both. :-) |
| 17:33.37 | moozzz | jelly, I've cleaned the source list as you told me and also removed the line for unstable and also done aptitude update. All seems to be correct |
| 17:34.00 | moozzz | jelly, do i need to apt-get upgrade now? |
| 17:34.20 | jelly | moozzz: to the partial downgrade thing. |
| 17:34.30 | jelly | do* the partial downgrade thing |
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| 17:34.51 | pfred1 | jelly yeah I've never went back to the nouveau driver before myself but i plan on running some custom kernels where the binary would be troublesome |
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| 17:35.27 | factor | systemD borks on /bin/plymouth when I start up D8, How do I turn off FSCK |
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| 17:35.43 | moozzz | jelly, where do I find info about how its done? |
| 17:36.12 | jelly | moozzz: read /msg dpkg partial downgrade |
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| 17:42.33 | moozzz | jelly, thanks man, and what do you think when I could get back to testing? |
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| 17:43.15 | anddam | I have an issue with vsftp in systemd, in daemon.log I see |
| 17:43.17 | anddam | Apr 26 19:42:49 remora systemd[1]: vsftpd.service: main process exited, code=exited, status=2/INVALIDARGUMENT |
| 17:43.35 | anddam | where should I look for a more detailed issue about the error? |
| 17:44.32 | anddam | mm nvm I see "systemctl status" |
| 17:44.39 | jelly | moozzz: dunno, I usually wait it out for a couple months |
| 17:44.50 | anddam | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:44.57 | dontknow | hoe to set gnome shell to lock screen when closing lid? |
| 17:45.01 | dontknow | on jessie |
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| 17:45.15 | jelly | moozzz: it really depends on how adventurous you feel and willing to help with issues in Debian |
| 17:45.44 | teraflop | anddam: at the vsftpd.service unit? |
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| 17:46.24 | anddam | teraflop: yes |
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| 17:46.45 | moozzz | jelly, oh, I do feel adventurous :) |
| 17:46.57 | anddam | teraflop: https://gist.github.com/anddam/4fd1c431f4fd12b81173 |
| 17:47.10 | anddam | I'm quite new to systemd |
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| 17:47.17 | jelly | moozzz: you should be able to fix issues like this one by yourself, then :-) |
| 17:47.28 | teraflop | anddam: I mean the file itself |
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| 17:48.13 | moozzz | jelly, normally I am able to fix problems like this one but this time I was puzzled for some reason... |
| 17:48.33 | teraflop | anddam: also joutnalctl -u vsftpd.service, of joutnalctl -u vsftpd.service -f for a _tail_ mode |
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| 17:49.37 | anddam | teraflop: updated the gist I see where to look |
| 17:49.46 | teraflop | anddam: ah sorry :P |
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| 17:49.49 | factor | SystemD is the suck |
| 17:50.00 | anddam | isn't it also the future? |
| 17:50.07 | teraflop | anddam: i only saw 1/2 screen |
| 17:50.15 | factor | on reboot i ran into a file not found problem no plymouth in bin directory |
| 17:50.54 | teraflop | anddam: there are a few folders in that unit file, did you check they actually exists |
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| 17:52.17 | teraflop | erm anddam and be kind and forgive my typos my english is a mess |
| 17:52.42 | dontknow | how to set gnome to enable numlock after boot by default on jessie? |
| 17:52.43 | dubwoc | is there a way I can use dpkg --get-selections to uninstall software. i.e. something like dpkg --get-selections > /tmp/check_point, apt-get install a bunch of crap, dpkg --set-selections < /tmp/check_point and then someway to make it actually uninstall things? It seems to only be additive |
| 17:52.47 | anddam | teraflop: mm the issue I think arise from vsftpd being configured for inetd |
| 17:53.34 | nkuttler | dubwoc: replace install with remove? |
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| 17:54.02 | lopho_ | with systemd is necessary to reboot in every security update? |
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| 17:54.15 | dontknow | lopho_, no |
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| 17:54.38 | dubwoc | nkuttler: apt-get remove, autoremove, etc does not clean up the packages as much as aI want. For example. apt-get autoremove build-essential only appears to remove the metapackage which is pretty useless |
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| 17:55.01 | dubwoc | hrmm, i just reran it and now it is showing all the other packages, perhaps I mistyped previously.. |
| 17:55.18 | anddam | teraflop: I'm checking the folders you said |
| 17:55.39 | teraflop | anddam: not me, the unit file :P |
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| 17:56.02 | anddam | teraflop: I'm not sure what folders you were referring to |
| 17:56.48 | dubwoc | hrmm, in my test case it doesn't work (inside docker) but on my actual system it works. ill investigate. |
| 17:57.25 | teraflop | oh wait, I was talking the no such file or directory was related to a non existent folder/file in the vsftpd unit file |
| 17:57.55 | anddam | I don't see folders mentioned in the service file |
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| 17:58.18 | anddam | I think the issue arise from the fact that vsftp has LISTEN=NO (check the updated gist) that means it'll be launched by vsftp |
| 17:58.28 | teraflop | anddam: /var/run/vsftpd/empty? |
| 17:58.32 | teraflop | and so on |
| 17:58.36 | anddam | but then inetd.conf has the ftp disabled, since it was from ftpd |
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| 17:59.17 | anddam | no that's there, also that's a mkdir -p line |
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| 17:59.49 | teraflop | anddam: anyway i didnt noticed you run an systemd unit that depends on an init script that looks a bit clusterfuck to me |
| 18:00.05 | anddam | how so? |
| 18:00.15 | anddam | and those come with jessie btw |
| 18:00.24 | anddam | the only change i made was disabling ftp line in inetd.conf |
| 18:01.30 | teraflop | anddam: you updated from wheezy an existing installation? this is unkwon terrotiry for me since I see an inetd init file |
| 18:01.38 | anddam | no |
| 18:01.49 | anddam | it's a jessie install disc from a week ago |
| 18:02.18 | anddam | I *guess* openbsd-inetd came with ftpd, since I was trying the simplest ftp server I could |
| 18:02.30 | anddam | aptitude why openbsd-inetd says "i synaptic Suggests dwww" |
| 18:02.39 | teraflop | anddam: then I do not understand that, may be someone more killed than me may enlighten you |
| 18:02.49 | teraflop | skilled* |
| 18:02.55 | anddam | yea, that's better :-) |
| 18:03.00 | anddam | I see dpkg says "rc openbsd-inetd 0.20140418-2 amd64" |
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| 18:03.20 | anddam | so openbsd is marked for deletion or is it actually remoed? |
| 18:03.22 | anddam | removed* |
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| 18:05.53 | anddam | ok I purged openbsd-inetd, changed LISTEN to YES in vsftpd.conf and restarted the systemd unit |
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| 18:06.23 | anddam | still curious about that "rc" status |
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| 18:07.58 | teraflop | I swear I admire debian devs for mantaining init script compatibility but it looks like a clusterfuk, a remarkable clusterfuk if you want |
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| 18:08.12 | teraflop | anddam: so, it works? |
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| 18:08.41 | anddam | teraflop: it does |
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| 18:08.47 | teraflop | nice |
| 18:09.01 | anddam | why was openbsd-inetd marked as "removed" but still there? |
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| 18:09.28 | ryouma | i thought the jessie release would not affect wheezy, but it seems there are a bunch of changes today. i wonder if they are merely security patches. but they include some things that don't seem relevant, and a new kernel. |
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| 18:09.48 | factor | I installed the plymouth package manually and still get error and emergency shell on boot |
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| 18:09.55 | blackflow | ryush: read the latest DSAs wrt the kernel |
| 18:10.10 | centrx | ryouma, There was a kernel security update today. Are your sources set on wheezy? |
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| 18:10.20 | blackflow | ryush: sorry, that was for ryouma |
| 18:10.23 | ryouma | centrx: yes |
| 18:10.24 | factor | can I remove the root-system-proofd in init.d |
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| 18:10.47 | ryouma | i'll just assume it's security patches then i guess |
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| 18:11.01 | blackflow | ryush: don't assume, subscribe to and read the DSAs :) |
| 18:11.03 | ryouma | thought it was strange that ledger was in there though |
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| 18:11.14 | blackflow | ryouma: ^^^^ (omg tabfail) |
| 18:11.34 | ryouma | blackflow: i am subscribed to debian-security, but don't have email access now |
| 18:11.47 | azswa | is apache 2.4 default on debian 8? |
| 18:11.57 | goran | i managed to install debian, managed to setup wireless on my ph laserjet pro p1102 printer, but when i try to connect to it with hp-setup, it says it failed to download the proprietary plugin. what to do? |
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| 18:12.45 | marcusk | azswa: yes |
| 18:13.04 | pfred1 | OK, so how's this look? http://paste.debian.net/169113/ |
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| 18:14.18 | dontknow | goran, it looks like your printer requires non free plugin. destroy your printer and buy a new one |
| 18:14.46 | blackflow | lol |
| 18:14.59 | moozzz | jelly, I've managed to downgrade my samba! |
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| 18:15.18 | pfred1 | dontknow hey RMS as long as the printer prints who cares about non-free plugins? |
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| 18:16.08 | moozzz | jelly, now I need to do the same with gvfs-backends... =D |
| 18:16.09 | dontknow | pfred1, if it is for just printing why non free then? |
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| 18:16.27 | macrobat | I'm upgrading kernel pkgs. Do I need to get new versions of realtek drivers for sound and network? |
| 18:16.30 | pfred1 | dontknow no one gives away printers for free either |
| 18:16.40 | lopho_ | I would adquire a printer with free drivers and one that does not track me |
| 18:16.58 | blackflow | adquire eh? touche := |
| 18:17.00 | lopho_ | goran, https://h-node.org/ |
| 18:17.34 | lopho_ | s/adquire/acquire (sorry, english is not my first language) |
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| 18:18.12 | blackflow | lopho_: it's a neat typo.... ad quire ... ads.... and no tracking... :) |
| 18:18.38 | pfred1 | it would suck if my printer spit spam out at me |
| 18:18.46 | dontknow | pfred1, we are talking about software here |
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| 18:18.55 | lopho_ | in spanish it's "adquirir" |
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| 18:19.20 | pfred1 | lopho_ is that what Cortez called it? |
| 18:19.21 | lopho_ | and I'm typing without 20 keys in the keyboard :S |
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| 18:19.39 | blackflow | explainst the nick :) |
| 18:19.42 | blackflow | *explains |
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| 18:20.25 | dontknow | i read an article printers has unique ability to reveal what printer actually printed the document |
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| 18:20.38 | teraflop | also explain the Cortez joke |
| 18:20.38 | pfred1 | dontknow I don't know if my printer driver is binary, or open source. All I know is when I print the printer prints. |
| 18:20.39 | blackflow | Superman is not indestructible. |
| 18:21.08 | pfred1 | teraflop Cortez was a Spanard famous for his ability to acquire |
| 18:21.21 | lopho_ | pfred1, but you can't enjoy from others (or yourself) be able to study and modify the code |
| 18:21.21 | teraflop | pfred1: im spanish |
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| 18:21.30 | dontknow | pfred1, if you are have only main repo enabled and your printer works, it means it is free |
| 18:21.31 | moozzz | jelly: done with gvfs-backends. Thank you man for your help |
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| 18:21.49 | distal | lopho: Whoa, h-node is awesome! how come I didn't know about this? ;-) |
| 18:21.59 | pfred1 | lopho_ I did not purchase a printer to study, or modify code. I bought a printer to print with. |
| 18:22.06 | blackflow | lopho_: one interesting thing is that vast majority of the *nix users can't either, despite the code being there, free and available. |
| 18:22.09 | lopho_ | distal, you may also be interested in this project: libreboot.org |
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| 18:22.44 | lopho_ | but others being able to read the code has advantages, such as look for backdoors easily or improving it |
| 18:22.56 | pfred1 | dontknow No. I had to download drivers off my printer manufacturer's website |
| 18:23.05 | blackflow | lopho_: a very small minority of users can read the code used today. |
| 18:23.17 | lopho_ | but the mayority can take advantage of that minority of users |
| 18:23.23 | pfred1 | well a PPD file at least I'm not entirely sure what I got |
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| 18:23.43 | blackflow | lopho_: which completely misses the point then :) |
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| 18:23.52 | dontknow | pfred1, ok. you are being surveilled :p |
| 18:24.00 | distal | lopho: Very interesting, indeed. I knew about coreboot, but not libreboot. Thanks. |
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| 18:24.13 | pfred1 | dontknow if some folks have nothing better to do then so be it I suppose |
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| 18:24.28 | lopho_ | That's true, I don't read the code, but I like it to be free. That's one of the reasons for me using debian, it's fully free in main repository |
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| 18:25.40 | pfred1 | I run Debian because it is the easiest for me to configure. If something else worked better I'd use it instead. |
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| 18:26.35 | lopho_ | that's another advantage, I have tested dozens of distros (and BSD's) and I always back to the good ole' Debian GNU/Linux |
| 18:26.42 | pfred1 | for me it is simply a means to an end |
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| 18:27.00 | dontknow | lopho_, debian users who have enabled non-free repos messed h-node up |
| 18:27.14 | blackflow | Debian is the sanest and most balanced of them all. that's why I like it. |
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| 18:27.48 | pfred1 | blackflow pretty much. There are generally no really poor choices that stand out |
| 18:27.56 | gp5st | lopho_: I'm actually testing out freebsd, and while it is more work to configure, I'm torn between it and it making sense so I don't mind. I'm not sure what I think:-p |
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| 18:28.28 | lopho_ | I used to love freebsd but it gave me disk problems and I have the feeling that now is worse than years ago |
| 18:28.29 | gp5st | pfred1: I can think of one, but I don't want to start a holy war |
| 18:28.47 | gp5st | lopho_: how so? I've been liking zfs' capabilities |
| 18:28.56 | pfred1 | gp5st I said generally, which means i am not excluding any exceptions |
| 18:29.05 | blackflow | gp5st: I thought that war was over :) |
| 18:29.12 | lopho_ | mainly with USB disks, and also in my vps |
| 18:29.15 | blackflow | skirmishes might ensue, tho' |
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| 18:30.03 | gp5st | blackflow: a we'll see. debian is still dealing with needing to support multiple init systems from the choice made. I know I'm not the majority, but it's why I'm looking at the BSDs now. |
| 18:30.07 | pfred1 | lopho_ I have to say overall that Linux has been very good to me concerning disks |
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| 18:30.41 | teraflop | gp5st: I see openbsd as a good choice |
| 18:31.05 | pfred1 | I might just pitch it all and buy a Mac they do have some nice displays |
| 18:31.22 | shingouz | this begins to be pretty much ot... |
| 18:31.25 | blackflow | gp5st: I looked into BSDs, found them technically great, but poorly supported in the real world and with hardware. huge deal breaker for me. |
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| 18:31.37 | ryouma | strange, my pinning is not working. backports seems to be the reason ledger is being installed. |
| 18:32.10 | m4t | hey i'm trying to debootstrap jessie on ubuntu 15.04. i get E: Invalid Release signature (key id 8B48AD6246925553). any thoughts? |
| 18:32.16 | blackflow | and systemd in Jessie is not that bad. it really is "just" the init and not all the terabloat that the upstream is apparently cooking. |
| 18:32.20 | gp5st | blackflow: how so? I've found their hardware support to be good (I haven't hit a limit yet, not saying it's not there). Also, I'm really liking jails and zfs:-p |
| 18:32.24 | factor | Found the problem with upgrade to debian 8 , it added a /boot and boot/efi partiation to my /etc/fstab removing the /boot/efi partition let it pass and boot into X |
| 18:32.41 | pfred1 | ryouma backports can be annoying what i do is comment it out of my sources.list file then update |
| 18:32.44 | ryouma | but i have backports set to Pin-Priority: 550 -- ah, my problem is i had stable in preferences, not wheezy |
| 18:32.45 | factor | So systemD fails and move on without any trouble now |
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| 18:33.06 | ryouma | oops, well, i am going to have a broken distro for a bit until i upgrade to jessie |
| 18:33.07 | gp5st | blackflow: I know jessie has "just" the init system, but I have a feeling that better integration will happen before long. if systemd was just an init system I wouldn't feel the way I do |
| 18:33.12 | blackflow | gp5st: well for starters, no ability to hibernate at all, and suspending is a roulette. |
| 18:33.24 | ryouma | can i interrupt my aptitude upgrade with ^C safely? |
| 18:33.32 | ryouma | it is still getting |
| 18:33.34 | gp5st | blackflow: ah. I've only used it on servers, so that's a bit of a difference |
| 18:33.43 | shingouz | gp5st: blackflow: can you take the policy discussion elsewhere? |
| 18:33.50 | pfred1 | I'll update to Jessie when I suffer a severe concussion |
| 18:33.53 | shingouz | ryouma: usually yes |
| 18:33.55 | teraflop | blackflow: pretty much the same as happens in linux |
| 18:34.03 | gp5st | shingouz: sorry |
| 18:34.07 | blackflow | gp5st: and on servers, only if you colocate or have physical access to your own hardware as the provider support is very much lacking. |
| 18:34.08 | ryouma | shingouz: thank you. i had heard it is unsafe to ^C aptitude upgrade. i am glad if it is ok. |
| 18:34.27 | blackflow | teraflop: I doubt that, I haven't had an issue with hibernation or suspension in years on a variety of devices. |
| 18:34.40 | shingouz | ryouma: it *should* be ok. keep your eyes open |
| 18:34.42 | teraflop | blackflow: you lucky man |
| 18:35.05 | nse | does it take some time for new packages to propagate to the mirrors? i did an upgrade to jessie some hours ago and it was little in size. just now i did another and lots of packages came in. i use http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian/ in sources.list |
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| 18:35.10 | m4t | --no-check-gpg fixed it |
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| 18:35.14 | blackflow | teraflop: nothing lucky, Linux today is much, much better than it was in the past. BSD today, in that regard, are what Linux was 10 years ago. |
| 18:35.16 | teraflop | well I believe shingouz is right about the ot |
| 18:35.49 | pfred1 | blackflow don't be harping on Linux 10 years ago |
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| 18:36.00 | shingouz | nse: nothing is instantaneous... |
| 18:36.11 | dontknow | nse, i asked the same yesterday. same here |
| 18:36.43 | jhutchins | nse: Depends on the mirror, but yes. There's a status page that lists the latest update. |
| 18:36.51 | blackflow | nse: if any packages were missing, you wouldn't be able to upgrade as the dependencies would not be met |
| 18:36.54 | dontknow | nse, i got 3.16.7-ckt9-3~deb8u1 update today |
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| 18:37.34 | teraflop | nse: http://mirror.debian.org/status.html |
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| 18:39.21 | pfred1 | Will this work? http://paste.debian.net/169113/ |
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| 18:41.34 | dioz | anyone have issues with nvidia drivers (latest) and stable? |
| 18:41.42 | dioz | IE. gnome3 not loading |
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| 18:43.06 | Yeri | Hi -- I have an issue after updating to Jessie. Is this the channel I can ask about this? |
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| 18:43.20 | pfred1 | Yeri sure |
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| 18:44.04 | Yeri | Cool. Basically, on one single system python2.7 fails to update (or reinstall): Sorry: TypeError: compile() expected string without null bytesdpkg: error processing package python2.7 (--configure) |
| 18:44.14 | dontknow | Yeri, https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/releasenotes |
| 18:44.24 | ryouma | why does ledger want to upgrade from wheezy to wheezy-backports? i tried pin-priority 550 for backports and 700 for wheezy. i do not have stable or testing or jessie anywhere in sources.list. |
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| 18:44.31 | Yeri | And I'm not quite sure what I can try now. I've already created a serverfault post here: https://serverfault.com/questions/685695/python2-7-issue-after-updating-debian-to-jessie |
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| 18:45.21 | ryouma | in fact, everything wants to upgrade to wheezy backports |
| 18:45.24 | lopho_ | Yeri, have you read this? http://deb.li/ldcj |
| 18:46.58 | Yeri | I haven't, but it doesn't reference my issue. There are some bug reports online that are somewhat related to this, but none show a solution, and most of them are not about python2.7 (other packages). |
| 18:47.08 | pfred1 | ryouma the package manager has a bad habit of giving later versions higher priority |
| 18:47.25 | Yeri | And updating python2.7 on any other system worked fine. So I'm more guessing it's a fs issue, or another corrupted file. |
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| 18:47.52 | ryouma | pfred1: but why today and not last week? why would releasing jessie affect this? |
| 18:48.13 | pfred1 | Yeri you can debsum your installation |
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| 18:48.29 | pfred1 | debsums even |
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| 18:49.11 | Fahrradkette | hey guys. I wanted to add another language to LibreOffice and "the internet" said one has to rerun the installer. Is there a way to have that done using my favorite package manager? |
| 18:49.13 | Lope | I found out openvz wasn't really working on Debian Jesse. So I'm removing it and going back to systemd |
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| 18:49.25 | Lope | so I ran apt-get remove sysvinit sysvinit-core systemd-shim |
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| 18:49.36 | debian_user | hey guys, one question, when I'm installing debian and I want to use a lvm with encryption, should I first create a logical partion and then " use as Physical Volume for LVM" or first I have to encrypt the partion? |
| 18:49.48 | debian_user | I don't know if this choice make any difference |
| 18:50.00 | debian_user | lvm or encrypt first? |
| 18:50.12 | Lope | but then it said it would remove it, but the init package depeneds on something I removed. So I said remove init, now it says it can, but I must type "Yes, do as I say". Is that safe to remove the `init` package if I'm going back to systemd? |
| 18:51.06 | macrobat | I have a realtek RTL8111/8168B ethernet controller [10ec:8168]. How do I know which of the realtek drivers to get? |
| 18:51.10 | Yeri | Running that seems to cause segfaults (sometimes, most of the files are OK): [ 3703.094242] dpkg-query[8114]: segfault at 19612a90 ip 00007fa8055b8c8a sp 00007ffe91e272c8 error 4 in libc-2.19.so[7fa805537000+19f000] |
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| 18:51.52 | dontknow | debian_user, firt create encrypted partition and after that create lvm under it |
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| 18:52.07 | moozzz | macrobat: http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=80757 |
| 18:52.28 | pfred1 | macrobat r8169 works here for me |
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| 18:52.56 | debian_user | dontknow: thanks, |
| 18:52.59 | macrobat | pfred1: is that debian provided? |
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| 18:53.06 | dontknow | debian_user, that way all the lvm volumes will be encrypted |
| 18:53.16 | dontknow | including swap etc |
| 18:53.18 | pfred1 | macrobat yes i didn't do anything special to get it it worked on install |
| 18:53.33 | pfred1 | macrobat 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 02) |
| 18:53.55 | debian_user | yes, I will have /boot outside of lvm and inside /home / and swap |
| 18:54.19 | macrobat | ok, the default didn't work last year when I installed wheesy. maybe now. I have rev 06 |
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| 18:54.36 | pfred1 | macrobat I'm on Wheezy now |
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| 18:54.50 | pfred1 | it worked on Squeeze too |
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| 18:55.46 | macrobat | ok. using a pkg would be easier. is it the firmware-realtek pkg? |
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| 18:56.33 | teraflop | macrobat: this is not osx, there is not .pkg files :P |
| 18:56.39 | teraflop | no* |
| 18:56.40 | pfred1 | macrobat aptitude show firmware-realtek State: not installed |
| 18:56.49 | macrobat | oh? |
| 18:57.04 | pfred1 | macrobat it is the only NIC in my system too and here I am |
| 18:57.19 | macrobat | I was not aware .pkg was a file format |
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| 18:58.15 | pfred1 | macrobat that hardware should just work for you out of the box so to speak it did for me |
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| 18:58.30 | Yeri | pfred1: it worked after running debsums, transferring the corrupted file, rebooting (due to vague segfaults). thanks |
| 18:58.50 | pfred1 | Yeri sure np glad to hear you're working |
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| 18:58.52 | macrobat | I didn't have net on this machine and I couldn't tell beforehand when I bought the mobo |
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| 18:59.24 | macrobat | I'll just dl the drivers I can find and hopefully one will work |
| 18:59.43 | pfred1 | macrobat you sure it isn't working already? |
| 18:59.45 | shingouz | macrobat: dl the drivers from where? |
| 19:00.10 | pfred1 | macrobat try lspci -v see if there is a driver entry for the NIC |
| 19:00.10 | macrobat | shingouz: realtek http://218.210.127.131/downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=13&PFid=4&Level=5&Conn=4&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false |
| 19:00.22 | shingouz | macrobat: no, no, no. |
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| 19:00.53 | macrobat | there is net now, but I upgraded the linux-image and the headers |
| 19:00.57 | pfred1 | macrobat it should look like this Kernel driver in use: r8169 |
| 19:01.21 | macrobat | "Kernel driver in use: r8168" |
| 19:01.28 | pfred1 | yeah you're good to go |
| 19:01.49 | macrobat | that's the old downloaded realtek driver. not a debian thing |
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| 19:01.59 | pfred1 | well they're the same |
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| 19:02.33 | shingouz | macrobat: the driver is in the linux-image. this is not windows |
| 19:02.38 | dontknow | macrobat, r8189 doesn't require non free driver |
| 19:02.39 | macrobat | there was a "autorun.sh" script that placed the module somewhere in /lib |
| 19:02.58 | pfred1 | shingouz in this case the driver is in /lib/modules |
| 19:03.02 | shingouz | macrobat: and the autorun.sh came from realtek? |
| 19:03.17 | shingouz | pfred1: and try to guess where it came from |
| 19:03.21 | macrobat | I like to have net and sound. I didn't have that on a plain debianized kernel |
| 19:03.39 | macrobat | shingouz: yes, hopefully from realtek :D |
| 19:03.43 | pfred1 | shingouz it came from the kernel source tree when make modules_install was run |
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| 19:04.45 | shingouz | pfred1: if you install a linux-image on debian, you will get the modules at the same time... what you just describe is what happens when you do a custom kernel compile |
| 19:05.03 | pfred1 | shingouz well i can guarantee someone somewhere did it |
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| 19:05.28 | pfred1 | because it works the same for them as it does for us |
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| 19:05.59 | pfred1 | though Debian does script the process |
| 19:06.14 | shingouz | macrobat: the realtek driver is in the kernel. if the network did "not work" without installing some weird and wonderful stuff from realtek, i tend to believe there was a mistake with your configuration that got fixed by chance by the realtek installer script |
| 19:06.21 | dontknow | macrobat, could you paste "lspci|grep RTL" output |
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| 19:06.55 | macrobat | "02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 06)" |
| 19:07.08 | pfred1 | yup exactly the same thing I have |
| 19:07.22 | pfred1 | cept I have Rev 02 |
| 19:07.34 | macrobat | you had rev 02. I know, sometimes revisions are important |
| 19:07.38 | shingouz | pfred1: my point here is that when you install a linux-image, you will get the modules at the same time. where the modules install is irrelevant at this point. |
| 19:07.49 | dontknow | i have this "Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 09)" it doesn't require non free driver |
| 19:07.56 | pfred1 | shingouz irrelevant to you maybe |
| 19:08.19 | pfred1 | yeah it is supported in the regular kernel |
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| 19:08.49 | pfred1 | it is even loaded I had them check |
| 19:09.17 | macrobat | the realtek scrip is bad in that it places stuff in a dir that belongs to a pkg. if I update the pkg, that thing might vanish or be in a place not looked at |
| 19:09.40 | pfred1 | macrobat you don't need what the script is giving you in the first place |
| 19:09.42 | somiaj | dontknow: it could require non-free firmware though. |
| 19:09.54 | pfred1 | somiaj it doesn't here |
| 19:10.07 | shingouz | macrobat: that is why you are not supposed to pull in anything from realtek (or any other manufacturer for that matter). they tend to mess with the debian way |
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| 19:10.49 | dontknow | macrobat, somiaj debian net installer warns about "rtl8168f-1.fw" is missing. but i skip it and ethernet works |
| 19:10.52 | pfred1 | yeah that script might have made a blacklist entry or something but it doesn't look like it |
| 19:11.12 | macrobat | I know. net is important enough to mess with the debian way. also, I wasn't able to know if it would work before I bought the mobo |
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| 19:11.32 | pfred1 | works great |
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| 19:12.01 | shingouz | google is your friend... this is too sunday for me, i'll go eat some aspirin |
| 19:12.14 | fanderal | macrobat: the firmware-realtek package is in the non-free repo. You can do a package manager search to see which chips are ehttps://packages.debian.org/jessie/firmware-realteknabled or search online: |
| 19:12.47 | dontknow | macrobat, i think your ethernet can work without non-free driver |
| 19:12.49 | fanderal | lol... didn't do a good job pasting the url |
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| 19:14.06 | jhutchins | ,pciid 10ec:8168 |
| 19:14.07 | judd | [10ec:8168] is 'RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with kernel module 'r8169' in jessie. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8168 |
| 19:14.10 | pfred1 | yeah i might go do a little gardening here it is a nice day |
| 19:14.36 | jhutchins | macrobat: Does the driver judd listed not work for you? |
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| 19:15.22 | macrobat | I'll know after a reboot. it didn't work when I installed wheezy |
| 19:15.25 | dontknow | it says "unable to load firmware patch rtl_nic/rtl8168f-1.fw (-12)" but it works well |
| 19:15.26 | fanderal | here's the url: https://packages.debian.org/jessie/firmware-realtek |
| 19:15.46 | dontknow | macrobat, remove non free driver |
| 19:15.56 | dontknow | firmware |
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| 19:16.25 | andril | so i am not the only one with missing drivers |
| 19:16.34 | macrobat | I don't have firmware-realtek installed ATM |
| 19:16.46 | dontknow | macrobat, skip the warning when installing the debian |
| 19:16.49 | debian_user | dontknow: One more thing, Alright, I already create my primary boot partion, and with the left space I create a logical partion. My doubt is, should I choose "physical volume for encrypton or physical volume for lvm" where said "how to use this partition"? |
| 19:16.49 | dontknow | ignore it |
| 19:17.45 | jhutchins | debian_user: I avoid lvm, I don't think it's worth what you get from it. |
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| 19:18.20 | dontknow | debian_user, create physical volume for encrypton first. after that it is going to ask you password. and after that it is gong to unlock the partition. after that create lvm |
| 19:19.07 | debian_user | jhutchins: why should I avoid lvm? |
| 19:19.57 | macrobat | ok, firmware-realtek doesn't seem to have anything that I need. I'll skip that |
| 19:20.15 | debian_user | I thought lvm is a kind of "best practice" |
| 19:20.42 | debian_user | dontknow, thanks again |
| 19:20.53 | scoofy_ | lvm is good |
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| 19:28.18 | jhutchins | debian_user: It's unnecessary, and simplicity is the true best practice. If you don't need it, don't use it. |
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| 19:30.23 | dontknow | jhutchins, but it is simplest solution for encrypted partition. without lwm you have to encrypt all other partitions and set them to auto decrypt at boot |
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| 19:31.31 | dontknow | or you have to enter multiple password every time at boot |
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| 19:32.55 | thomas_d | I'm running a command trying to install something and doing "> filename" to make the output go to a file name, but the output in the outputted log file is different to the output in the console |
| 19:33.53 | centrx | thomas_d, > alone sends only stdout, get stderr and stdout both with: command > filename 2>&1 |
| 19:33.57 | jhutchins | thomas_d: On the console you see both stdout and stderr |
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| 19:34.55 | jelly | moozzz: good to hear |
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| 19:35.44 | AR45 | Hello. |
| 19:36.12 | dontknow | AR45, you need to enable SNA accel |
| 19:36.18 | dontknow | :P |
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| 19:39.43 | sIRwa2 | Q: is apt-get update and upgrade over SSH risky? for instance when the client laptop goes to sleep, or looses connection. |
| 19:40.29 | buu | sIRwa2: use screen |
| 19:40.35 | acemi | or tmux |
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| 19:40.38 | jhutchins | sIRwa2: Yeah, there's always a risk. It's really good if you have some sort of OOB console access. |
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| 19:40.57 | jhutchins | sIRwa2: screen is good. |
| 19:41.06 | sIRwa2 | thats screen.. |
| 19:41.09 | dontknow | attention to intel 2th gen. and beyond core cpu users: debian jessie uses UXA acceleration by default for old cpu compatibility. if you have 2th gen or bigger cpu enable SNA accel |
| 19:41.16 | sIRwa2 | opens up google |
| 19:41.17 | jhutchins | sIRwa2: That said, a lot of people upgrade a lot of servers remotely without any problem. |
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| 19:41.57 | jhutchins | sIRwa2: I guess the main question to ask is what happens if it hangs or is unreachable? What are your options? |
| 19:41.57 | blackflow | dontknow: 2nd gen? ivybridge? |
| 19:42.14 | dontknow | blackflow, 2nd gen is sandy bridge |
| 19:42.57 | blackflow | dontknow: alright. |
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| 19:43.19 | sIRwa2 | well, jhutchins, in that case you need physical acces to the machine, whith a screen and keyboard |
| 19:43.21 | dontknow | blackflow, SNA acceleration gives double performance boost |
| 19:43.42 | jhutchins | dontknow: 2nd gen would be 8088. |
| 19:44.07 | dontknow | jhutchins, i said 2nd gen. "core" |
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| 19:45.03 | jhutchins | dontknow: That would be core2. |
| 19:45.11 | stanley | no it wouldn't |
| 19:45.13 | stanley | that'd be sandy bridge |
| 19:45.24 | stanley | core2 is penryn which is not the same thing |
| 19:45.31 | stanley | the second gen core is actually sandy, but it is confusing |
| 19:45.42 | Roberth1990 | yeah sandy bridge is 2nd gen i3, i5 and i7 |
| 19:45.43 | jhutchins | Not a very specific term. |
| 19:46.07 | stanley | yet I understood it and so did everyone else :) |
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| 19:47.33 | AR45 | Hello |
| 19:47.47 | AR45 | I have a SSD and HDD and want to set them up properly. |
| 19:48.01 | AR45 | Keeping only what's needed on the SSD and the rest on the HDD |
| 19:48.15 | AR45 | Currently Debian is installed to the SSD only. |
| 19:49.05 | Roberth1990 | sounds right |
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| 19:53.39 | thomas_d | having issues trying to install gateone http://termbin.com/9ljd |
| 19:53.55 | thomas_d | at the bottom it says stdeb.util.CalledProcessError: 2 |
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| 19:54.33 | thomas_d | this is a new debian VPS that's just been put up. I'm following this installation guide and as far as I know have installed the dependencies. https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-ssh-into-your-vps-from-the-browser-with-gateone |
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| 19:54.39 | pakaran | E: The value 'testing' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources |
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| 19:54.59 | pakaran | so how do I set it to the new testing? aptitude full-upgrade tries to upgrade me to sid probably due to that actually existing. |
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| 19:56.21 | basil1x | Will the new Jessie multiarch DVD install on a tablet that has 32bit UEFI, and a 64bit processor? I've been waiting for that functionality for months! If so, **THANK YOU**, Debian people! |
| 19:56.22 | SynrGy | pakaran: if you have 'stretch' in your sources, you set that as your default release. |
| 19:56.32 | SynrGy | pakaran: if you have 'testing', you set that as your default release |
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| 19:56.43 | pakaran | stretch is the new testing distro? |
| 19:56.46 | SynrGy | yes |
| 19:56.51 | pakaran | because i'm not sure what i have. |
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| 19:57.09 | SynrGy | pakaran: put your /etc/apt/sources.list at http://paste.debian.net and give us the URL for the paste, please |
| 19:57.13 | pakaran | i have a jury-rigger configuration I got from some howto that was intended to stay on Jessie unless I specifically installed a package from sid |
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| 19:57.21 | pakaran | hang on |
| 19:57.23 | SynrGy | !tum |
| 19:57.23 | dpkg | «echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf», edit sources.list, copy your non-security testing lines and change one set to unstable, then apt-get update. Use apt-get -t unstable install foo; to install foo from unstable rather than testing as usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release: set Preferences->Distribution. |
| 19:57.26 | SynrGy | ^^ this? |
| 19:58.08 | SynrGy | is it your intention now to stay with jessie now that it has released, or keep moving with this testing/unstable mix? |
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| 19:58.23 | pakaran | SynrG, http://pastebin.com/DJp4NvQZ |
| 19:58.28 | iWaldo | apt seems slow today, anybody else noticing this? does it have anything to do with the jessie rollout? |
| 19:58.29 | SynrGy | !pastebin.com |
| 19:58.30 | dpkg | pastebin.com mangles input, takes forever to load, often makes us enter a CAPTCHA to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please use a different site, like http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 19:58.41 | SynrGy | iWaldo: probably. choose another mirror? |
| 19:58.48 | SynrGy | though that may not help |
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| 19:58.55 | pakaran | I want to move to the new testing distro, so as to keep getting newer packages with some amount of stability. |
| 19:59.14 | iWaldo | SynrGy: no worries, i've changed some networking settings as well, all is working but it takes a minute before i can actually get through |
| 19:59.16 | hotwings | https://www.debian.org/releases/testing/ = You don't have permission to access /releases/testing/ on this server. |
| 19:59.17 | SynrGy | your best bet in the next two to three months timeframe is to stay on jessie |
| 19:59.28 | SynrGy | shortly, backports will start to be made for it |
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| 19:59.33 | pakaran | SynrG, sorry, http://paste.debian.net/169150/ |
| 19:59.39 | jhutchins | iWaldo: You don't suppose millions of users all trying to upgrade at once would have anything to do with it. |
| 19:59.51 | iWaldo | jhutchins: no, that'd be crazy ;) |
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| 20:00.26 | hotwings | millions of debian users? where do those stats come from? |
| 20:00.37 | iWaldo | haha |
| 20:00.42 | pakaran | SynrGy, so why doesn't that have me staying on Jessie? |
| 20:01.09 | pakaran | I know I did a setting somewhere to give Sid a lower priority unless I used a special command line (like, iceweasel I installed from sid to get security fixes) |
| 20:01.12 | SynrGy | pakaran: undo or fix the default release |
| 20:01.17 | hotwings | pakaran - dont put the toy story names in your sources.list, instead put "testing".. thats what ive done and never have to bother with changing it across releases |
| 20:01.26 | SynrGy | pakaran: that's the /etc/apt/apt.conf setting you have for Default-Release |
| 20:01.46 | iWaldo | testing/stable/sid were used by default in sources.list for a while |
| 20:01.50 | SynrGy | since you don't actually have any 'testing' lines in your sources.list, it doesn't work anymore |
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| 20:01.53 | iWaldo | i prefer the new way of doing it |
| 20:02.01 | jelly | hotwings: that's precisely the way to get a nasty surprise come the next release time |
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| 20:02.13 | SynrGy | pakaran: also, remove or comment out lines 15 and 16 (The sid lines) |
| 20:02.21 | pakaran | SynrGy, ah, so if I put stable there, then it will work? |
| 20:02.25 | hotwings | jelly - i have never had a single problem and ive crossed about 3 releases now.. |
| 20:02.26 | pakaran | SynrGy, why? |
| 20:02.36 | SynrGy | pakaran: because you must not mix sid and stable |
| 20:02.41 | SynrGy | pakaran: jessie is stable now |
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| 20:02.54 | SynrGy | stretch is the new testing today |
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| 20:02.56 | jelly | hotwings: you may not have, but there have been two users with issues here just today. |
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| 20:03.21 | pakaran | ok, commented those lines |
| 20:03.29 | pakaran | so why do you not suggest that I use Stretch? |
| 20:03.32 | SynrGy | pakaran: so, apt-get update, then paste your output of 'apt-cache policy' |
| 20:03.51 | pakaran | should I nuke the lists directory first? |
| 20:03.54 | SynrGy | because a) it doesn't have anything new in it yet and b) it shortly will have a bunch of new stuff that will promptly break |
| 20:04.09 | pakaran | SynrGy, I used Gentoo, I can handle it? |
| 20:04.15 | SynrGy | if you like |
| 20:04.23 | hotwings | sid breaks often, testing doesnt in my experience |
| 20:04.24 | SynrGy | if you prefer chaos, go ahead. |
| 20:04.33 | pakaran | but you suggest letting Stretch settle until like... June or July? |
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| 20:04.35 | SynrGy | hotwings: the exception being right after a release |
| 20:04.57 | SynrGy | pakaran: right. that's a good amount of time to wait |
| 20:05.05 | iWaldo | i like sticking with a release... the security stuff still gets updated, but you wont bork anything |
| 20:05.07 | JackPH | Lol this jessie upgrade is so not going to plan |
| 20:05.08 | jhutchins | hotwings: https://www.linuxcounter.net/statistics estimates the Linux base at 79million, Debian's often cited as the third most popular distro (current rank on Distrowatch). |
| 20:05.11 | SynrGy | meanwhile, things in stretch won't be very far ahead of jessie to make a difference anyway |
| 20:05.21 | iWaldo | if new stuff is important then just use arch |
| 20:05.30 | jelly | !slap iWaldo |
| 20:05.30 | pakaran | SynrGy, ok, do I need to nuke the list directory before I do that update? I already set default to stable. |
| 20:05.31 | dpkg | strikes a resounding *THWAP* across iWaldo's face |
| 20:05.35 | JackPH | plymouth is really killing me right now |
| 20:05.39 | iWaldo | hmm? |
| 20:05.39 | hotwings | that hasnt been an exception here, crossing releases a few times now.. *shrug YMMY i guess* |
| 20:05.45 | hotwings | YMMV i mean |
| 20:05.46 | SynrGy | pakaran: the 'list directory'? |
| 20:05.49 | JackPH | whatever it is, its breaking dependencies pretty bad |
| 20:05.54 | pakaran | hang on, sorry |
| 20:05.56 | SynrGy | pakaran: you shouldn't need to touch anything in /var manually |
| 20:06.05 | SynrGy | pakaran: just 'apt-get update' and things should be fine |
| 20:06.11 | pakaran | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:06.18 | pakaran | ok, I'll do that now |
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| 20:07.09 | jhutchins | hotwings: Understand that the fact that you haven't personally experienced a problem is not evidence that it doesn't exist, it just means you're ignorant of it. |
| 20:07.42 | jhutchins | hotwings: I don't mean anyting rude by 'ignorant', just that you don't know about it. |
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| 20:08.41 | jelly | tbh squeeze and wheezy testing have only broken each 1-2 times for me, ignoring gpu drivers issues |
| 20:08.44 | pakaran | SynrGy, http://paste.debian.net/169156/ |
| 20:09.04 | JackPH | http://i.imgur.com/65Q9pFU.png |
| 20:09.06 | hotwings | jhutchins - sure, i understand that.. but someone with a different experience doesnt make that status quo either however. linux in general is YMMV. as is Windows and OSX for that matter. |
| 20:09.08 | JackPH | any ideas anyone? |
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| 20:09.43 | AR45 | Would it be recommended to mount s partition at / on my SSD to host the file system and a partition mounted at /home on the HDD? |
| 20:10.20 | iWaldo | i use my SSD for everything other than long term storage |
| 20:10.29 | jelly | JackPH: um... last resort, purge it for the time being |
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| 20:10.41 | JackPH | jelly: can i remove plymouth though? |
| 20:10.44 | hotwings | btw, the problem with linuxcounter is most of their calculations are based on assumption. |
| 20:10.54 | AR45 | iWaldo: What exactly do you use your computer to do? |
| 20:10.54 | JackPH | based on its packages.debian.org entry its pretty...necessary |
| 20:11.04 | jelly | JackPH: I don't see why not |
| 20:11.07 | AR45 | iWaldo: Are you not afraid of your SSD burning out? |
| 20:11.11 | JackPH | i don't like removing things with boot in the description haha |
| 20:11.17 | AR45 | Where is your swap partitioned? |
| 20:11.24 | iWaldo | AR45: no, from everything i've read there isn't much worry about that |
| 20:11.27 | jelly | ,i plymouth |
| 20:11.28 | judd | Package plymouth (misc, optional) in jessie/amd64: boot animation, logger and I/O multiplexer. Version: 0.9.0-9; Size: 184.2k; Installed: 801k; Homepage: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/Plymouth |
| 20:11.36 | AR45 | I have 32GB of ram, do I even need a swap partition? |
| 20:11.46 | iWaldo | AR45: i've got two SSDs in my desktop and one for the OS and VMs on my server |
| 20:11.49 | jhutchins | AR45: Current SSDs have pretty much eliminated the need for finicky hand tuning. |
| 20:11.49 | hotwings | id be interested to see the number for unique ips downloading images, and doing dist-upgrades |
| 20:11.51 | jelly | JackPH: it's in section "optional", which means no part of base system depends on it |
| 20:11.55 | JackPH | :) |
| 20:11.57 | JackPH | ok removed it |
| 20:12.05 | jelly | JackPH: purge it, not just remove |
| 20:12.23 | iWaldo | AR45: i worried about it once upon a time, but now it sounds like they will outlast HDDs unless you're constantly doing i/o |
| 20:12.26 | JackPH | ill purge it after the dist-upgrade i just started |
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| 20:12.38 | jelly | JackPH: and REALLY it says "animation" after "boot", that does not exactly smells like a critical feature |
| 20:12.39 | hotwings | AR45 - all my debian boxes have 2-4GB ram and none have a swap partition. works great for my usage/needs. :) |
| 20:12.56 | JackPH | jelly: true but it also says it handles logging and I/O something or other |
| 20:13.07 | jelly | red herring :-) |
| 20:13.10 | AR45 | Is there a benefit besides the extra memory of disabling the swap partition? |
| 20:13.12 | JackPH | just wanted to play it safe :P |
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| 20:13.39 | hotwings | now that jessie has officially gone stable, with systemd as the default, hopefully the testing package maintainers will get their systemd act together and get proper support going |
| 20:13.41 | AR45 | iWaldo: I still think it would be a good practice to store user data on the HDD. |
| 20:13.49 | AR45 | iWaldo: I'm just not sure how to do it. |
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| 20:13.50 | jelly | JackPH: but yes it supposedly helped with some systemd + cryptsetup configs before bugs got fixed |
| 20:14.14 | jhutchins | Probably just kept error messages from worrying people. |
| 20:14.23 | JackPH | just a quick question while im here, when you're asked to either replace a config file or keep and old one |
| 20:14.24 | iWaldo | AR45: if you want to set it up that way on a fresh install it's pretty straightforward |
| 20:14.26 | AR45 | I have the Debian Administration Handbook but it was written at the time of Squeeze. |
| 20:14.32 | JackPH | what do you guys tend to go with? |
| 20:14.40 | AR45 | iWaldo: Oh is it? |
| 20:14.43 | AR45 | iWaldo: Do tell.. |
| 20:14.46 | JackPH | i usually start inspecting differences but it takes forever |
| 20:14.56 | AR45 | iWaldo: I just built my box and I installed Debian on the SSD only! |
| 20:15.22 | AR45 | iWaldo: Now when I put my USB flash drive and try to boot from it grub comes up right after. |
| 20:15.27 | iWaldo | AR45: i'd leave it on the SSD and mount some HDD partitions in /mnt somewhere to store large files |
| 20:15.44 | AR45 | iWaldo: I see. |
| 20:15.49 | hotwings | AR45 - the last time i asked about ram vs swap, i was told swap is only used when ram runs short anyways. if youre not using your ram in its upper limits, swap does nothing for you |
| 20:16.26 | styks19871 | I am redirecting all OUTPUT traffic via tcp on 25 to some-ip:25, I also want to do this for ssl but the some-ip:25 does not support ssl. I really don't care about security as this is dev, is there a way to fake ssl? Maybe transform the ssl request into a standard request in preprocessing? End goal is reroute ssl 465 traffic to internal email server to catch all emails. |
| 20:17.02 | jhutchins | hotwings: There are a lot of programs that use swap to cache things for faster retrieval than the main disk; it's also good to have in case a rogue program leaks RAM, gives the system a chance to recover it. |
| 20:17.31 | AR45 | hotwings: Yes that's correct. Virtual memory allows the Linux kernel, when lacking sufficient memory (RAM), to free a bit of storage by storing the aprts of the RAM that have been inactive for some time on the swap parition of the hard disk. |
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| 20:18.05 | AR45 | I don't see my self maxing out my RAM at all but it still would be good practice to have my swap on my 1TB HD wouldn't it? |
| 20:18.26 | teraflop | hotwings: as jhutchins says there is stuff thatll make use of swap if available no matter if you have phisical ram available |
| 20:18.32 | blackflow | styks19871: does some-ip:25 support starttls? |
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| 20:18.44 | AR45 | Windows does the samething the only thing is the swap file is directly contained in the filesystem. |
| 20:18.55 | jhutchins | You can do that with Linux too. |
| 20:19.12 | styks19871 | blackflow not that I am aware of. I think it is an open issue to add ssl support |
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| 20:19.18 | styks19871 | I am using mailcatcher for the email |
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| 20:19.57 | hotwings | i wouldnt and dont bother with swap. for me its no issue but my linux usage is specific. i only use it for a file server, and for a minimal htpc without any desktop environment. |
| 20:20.12 | blackflow | styks19871: well you can't fake ssl, but you can do ssh based socket proxying |
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| 20:20.30 | hotwings | maybe you can set a part of your ram and designate that as your swap partition |
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| 20:21.27 | styks19871 | blackflow SOCKS proxy? |
| 20:21.30 | blackflow | styks19871: not sure if that's what you want, you say you don't care about security, but then I don't understand why you need ssl, is some.ip doesn't support it? |
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| 20:21.58 | anddam | "lopho_ | I would adquire a printer with free drivers and one that does not track me" <-- ditto |
| 20:22.00 | styks19871 | everything is on a local vagrant debian box and never leaves, the IP is internal to that box |
| 20:22.02 | blackflow | styks19871: yeah socks proxy with ssh |
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| 20:22.53 | styks19871 | blackflow so someip:1025 is actually running on the same server as the script that requests over 465 |
| 20:23.10 | anddam | this I was asking a couple days ago on #hardware, I see tons of 3d printing projects, open source hardware, open source protocols, open source everythin, but I couldn't find a open source regular printer |
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| 20:23.27 | teraflop | hotwings: i think it is useful in some cases http://a.pomf.se/bkglbf.png |
| 20:23.54 | AR45_ | iWaldo: forgot msg cmd lol |
| 20:24.22 | blackflow | styks19871: still not sure I understand what you want. |
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| 20:27.33 | styks19871 | blackflow: PHP app tries to connect to ssl://smtp.google.com, I want to intercept that and send this request to mailcatcher which is running on 192.168.0.125:1025, It works if it is standard port 25, but the ssl is messing me up |
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| 20:28.02 | styks19871 | I don;t want to mod the php app |
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| 20:29.18 | dyrnade | hi guys, how can i insert a string after a specific line in python ? |
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| 20:34.33 | cstk421 | what is the best way to create a web interface to modify interface configs on debian ? similar to a "router" web gui |
| 20:34.35 | cstk421 | ? |
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| 20:35.35 | ompaul | dyrnade: check out the follow advice from the following query sed awk substitution line insertion |
| 20:35.36 | centrx | cstk421, to ceate one? |
| 20:35.38 | centrx | create |
| 20:35.57 | cstk421 | centrx: yes |
| 20:36.14 | ompaul | cstk421: there was a tool called webmin which you may find advised but first read this |
| 20:36.15 | cstk421 | i know there are multiple options (languages) and such |
| 20:36.19 | ompaul | !webmin |
| 20:36.19 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
| 20:36.37 | JackPH | hey guys i've just finished my upgrade, but now when I run shutdown -r now I get "Failed to talk to init daemon" |
| 20:36.50 | JackPH | any idea what that's about and how I can reboot to apply my new kernel? |
| 20:36.59 | ompaul | JackPH: /sbin/init 0 |
| 20:37.03 | dyrnade | can't i do that with python ? |
| 20:37.10 | JackPH | ompaul: What does that do? |
| 20:37.12 | ompaul | dyrnade: #python would help |
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| 20:37.23 | ompaul | JackPH: turns off the machine |
| 20:37.29 | JackPH | safely? |
| 20:37.37 | ompaul | JackPH: very |
| 20:37.39 | cstk421 | ompaul: yes im familiar with webmin. interesting thought thanks for that. not sure if webmin is configurable enough or if its faster to just build a new interface from scratch. |
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| 20:37.47 | JackPH | "Couldn't find an alternative telinit implementation to spawn." |
| 20:38.00 | teraflop | oh i thought webmin but I hate it so much for even naming it |
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| 20:38.02 | JackPH | ompaul: ^^ |
| 20:38.12 | ompaul | cstk421: given what the bot said - I would have thought that was the very last thing |
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| 20:38.29 | ompaul | JackPH: looks like physical off button is the current tool |
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| 20:38.43 | JackPH | why is my init broken... |
| 20:38.47 | cstk421 | ompaul: thanks for the info |
| 20:38.54 | ompaul | JackPH: I don't know can you restart it? |
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| 20:39.13 | JackPH | i can do a force power off via my control panel |
| 20:39.22 | paragon | ompaul: He just explained that shutdown -r wasn't working |
| 20:39.23 | jhutchins | !free whcp |
| 20:39.23 | dpkg | FOSS Web Hosting Control Panels include: <DTC>, <GNUPanel>, <ISPConfig> and <ispCP> Omega. Don't use <Webmin>. http://wiki.debian.org/HostingControlPanels |
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| 20:40.08 | valdyn | i wonder what happens when you install systemd when your kernel does not support it |
| 20:40.18 | valdyn | maybe what JackPH is seeing |
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| 20:40.26 | ompaul | paragon: so I discovered that a while ago and set up scripts that /sbin/init 0 is the way forward, then he pointed out that thing |
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| 20:40.33 | jasabella | hii |
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| 20:41.00 | ompaul | valdyn: if he hadn't rebooted ... it might be |
| 20:41.00 | srg | Are the repos messed up for anyone else? ftp.us.debian.org and ftp.ca.debian.org are both giving me errors. The former giving a 403 Forbidden and the latter giving a "Hash sum mismatch" |
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| 20:41.15 | ompaul | srg: http://http.debian.net/debian |
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| 20:41.31 | srg | ompaul: I had even more problems with that. I used it for a brief period with my servers and moved back to the main mirrors. |
| 20:41.31 | ompaul | wonders why people try to use deprecated methods |
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| 20:41.46 | jasabella | does anyone happen to know the name of the package i need to install to get the nice list of wifi networks available in a drop down menu like in ubuntu? |
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| 20:41.51 | ompaul | srg: you got connectivity problems full stop? |
| 20:41.57 | jasabella | or is that a newer version of network-manager-gnome which jessie should have now? |
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| 20:42.08 | paragon | JackPH: Have you taken a look at this? https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#systemd-upgrade-default-init-system |
| 20:42.10 | valdyn | jasabella: i think its what jessie has |
| 20:42.15 | jasabella | ahhh ok |
| 20:42.16 | valdyn | jasabella: network-manager-gnome, yes |
| 20:42.31 | jasabella | dang wheezy :D |
| 20:43.06 | valdyn | jasabella: the one in wheezy should have that too |
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| 20:48.07 | Hanson93 | Hey guys, I'm running Debian wheezy on a mini-itx box with a gigabit realtek adapater. Firstly, just to get it to work correctly I had to install the realtek-firmware from non-free. |
| 20:48.13 | Hanson93 | Any advice on where I should start? |
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| 20:48.58 | kevr | Hanson93: start doing what? |
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| 20:49.03 | JackPH | oh no |
| 20:49.10 | JackPH | ok so i forcibly shutdown my server |
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| 20:49.23 | JackPH | and well its messed up |
| 20:49.26 | JackPH | seriously |
| 20:49.34 | deego | :( |
| 20:49.47 | JackPH | It boots, but never manages to enable networking |
| 20:49.55 | JackPH | so i had to use a virtual console to connect |
| 20:50.01 | Hanson93 | kevr: Troubleshooting the adapter so I can get highway decent speeds lol |
| 20:50.11 | JackPH | when i try to run service networking start i get: Failed to get D-Bus connection: No such file or directory |
| 20:50.34 | JackPH | in fact pretty much any service command fails |
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| 20:51.06 | JackPH | any idea on how to fix this mess? |
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| 20:52.20 | valdyn | JackPH: systemctl status |
| 20:52.24 | valdyn | JackPH: uname -r |
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| 20:52.47 | JackPH | http://i.imgur.com/mfizjPc.png |
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| 20:53.09 | JackPH | valdyn: ^ |
| 20:53.15 | valdyn | JackPH: you are running systemd on a kernel that is to old, that wont work |
| 20:53.34 | JackPH | ok, can i fix it? |
| 20:53.37 | valdyn | JackPH: read the description to the sysvinit package |
| 20:53.51 | valdyn | JackPH: install the package, test it as it sais in the descritption |
| 20:54.04 | JackPH | i have no internet access on the server |
| 20:54.11 | JackPH | so i don't believe i can install packages |
| 20:54.12 | valdyn | JackPH: install sysvinit-core after you found that it works |
| 20:54.27 | valdyn | JackPH: if you are lucky then sysvinit is already installed |
| 20:54.38 | valdyn | JackPH: read the description anyway |
| 20:55.26 | JackPH | no such luck |
| 20:55.32 | JackPH | dpkg -l | grep sysvinit |
| 20:55.33 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep sysvinit |
| 20:55.39 | JackPH | shows nothing |
| 20:55.51 | JackPH | well i have sysvinit-utils |
| 20:55.55 | keltim | does anyone know offhand when during the boot process it's still safe to remove login records? (booting from an image) meaining utmp, wtmp, etc. |
| 20:56.00 | JackPH | but no core or the main package |
| 20:56.12 | JackPH | is my only solution to wipe the server down from solusvm and reinstall? |
| 20:56.14 | valdyn | JackPH: you can probably networking up temporarily by just running "dhclient eth0" |
| 20:56.15 | keltim | they get created on login, right? |
| 20:56.18 | paragon | JackPH: Have you seen this? https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#systemd-upgrade-default-init-system |
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| 20:56.35 | _5moufl | moozzz: what issue did you have with samba? |
| 20:56.51 | JackPH | paragon: i didn't realise my kernel was so old or that it would cause issues |
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| 20:57.18 | JackPH | valdyn: probably not http://i.imgur.com/dZRg9FA.png |
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| 20:57.41 | valdyn | JackPH: well, you must have *some* network device |
| 20:57.47 | valdyn | JackPH: see "ifconfig -a" |
| 20:57.47 | keltim | JackPH, definitely want to do an update and reboot before dist-upgrade ... |
| 20:57.54 | keltim | as a matter of course |
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| 20:58.06 | valdyn | keltim: no, he already fucked up |
| 20:58.25 | moozzz | _5moufl: hi, after dist-upgrating some packages, samba and gvfs-backends were purged for some reason |
| 20:58.27 | valdyn | and such kernel seems to indicate that he cannot switch kernel |
| 20:58.32 | keltim | yeah I see that ... just trying to help him remember to do that next time ... |
| 20:59.00 | JackPH | valdyn: i ran dhclient venet0 which appears to be my net |
| 20:59.05 | _5moufl | moozzz : seems that I have the same issue, how did you solve it? mly buffer doesn't go far enough :' |
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| 20:59.15 | JackPH | but net is still down |
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| 20:59.23 | keltim | JackPH, can you boot to a live usb disk or live CD to fix this? |
| 20:59.30 | moozzz | _5moufl: yes, are you using debian testing? |
| 20:59.36 | _5moufl | sid |
| 20:59.41 | valdyn | JackPH: show us your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:00.31 | _5moufl | moozzz : but unstable and testing have the same versions I believe atm |
| 21:00.47 | JackPH | http://pastie.org/private/0vtvvmenyp1riss1urkfw |
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| 21:01.29 | JackPH | keltim: no the host doesnt support that |
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| 21:01.53 | keltim | JackPH, oh, reading up, sorry, didn't realize it was remote |
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| 21:02.10 | valdyn | JackPH: killall dhclient |
| 21:02.24 | JackPH | no worries, i just appreciate any help i get after being such a dope :P |
| 21:02.26 | valdyn | JackPH: try running "ifup venet0" |
| 21:02.33 | moozzz | _5moufl: I know, then you are having the same problem. it seems that for some packages the old nomenclature stable(wheezy) - testing(jessie) has already changed |
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| 21:02.42 | JackPH | http://i.imgur.com/2r7dkXP.png |
| 21:02.47 | moozzz | _5moufl: but for some others not... |
| 21:03.11 | moozzz | _5moufl: one gets therefore dependency problems upon upgrating |
| 21:03.13 | valdyn | JackPH: mkdir -p /run/network/ (as root) |
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| 21:03.40 | JackPH | valdyn: done |
| 21:03.40 | valdyn | JackPH: after that, go again "ifup venet0" |
| 21:03.56 | JackPH | http://i.imgur.com/b2Bmqx5.png |
| 21:04.00 | Zhong | I'm using rufus to burn Debian iso with GPT partition scheme but it just boots into a GRUB command prompt. |
| 21:04.02 | Zhong | Is that normal? |
| 21:04.15 | valdyn | JackPH: see if its up now |
| 21:04.47 | _5moufl | moozzz : and how did you solve that issue? |
| 21:04.58 | JackPH | valdyn: http://i.imgur.com/mDJh9l5.png _-_ |
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| 21:05.04 | JackPH | -_-* |
| 21:05.12 | keltim | JackPH, you may not have dhcp available, looks like it. Have you tried your static, venet0:0 ? |
| 21:05.26 | keltim | JackPH, ifup venet0:0 |
| 21:05.44 | valdyn | JackPH: if its not: "ifconfig venet0 up; ifconfig venet0 127.0.0.2; route add default dev venet0" |
| 21:06.19 | JackPH | if i could get my host to upgrade the kernel to 3.2 |
| 21:06.22 | JackPH | and the reboot |
| 21:06.25 | JackPH | will that fix it? |
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| 21:06.31 | JackPH | It's OpenVZ |
| 21:06.33 | valdyn | JackPH: i dont think you can |
| 21:06.41 | valdyn | JackPH: you cannot affect the kernel at all |
| 21:06.41 | keltim | JackPH, did you try the venet0:0? |
| 21:06.43 | JackPH | so kernel is from the hypervisor |
| 21:06.54 | valdyn | JackPH: so forget it |
| 21:06.56 | JackPH | keltim: yeah no dice |
| 21:07.00 | valdyn | JackPH: run what i said above |
| 21:07.12 | moozzz | _5moufl: jelly's suggestion was to stay with debian 8 for the next couple of months. So I corrected my source.list to use Debian 8 since I was previously running testing. And then I downgraded the samba dependences that had been upgraded |
| 21:07.14 | Zhong | is anyone having trouble install Jessie in a UEFI system? |
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| 21:07.22 | JackPH | ok i have network :D |
| 21:07.30 | keltim | I mean after manually setting venet0 |
| 21:07.48 | valdyn | JackPH: so now install sysvinit-core and uh, pray, thats all |
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| 21:07.57 | LiENUS | trying to do a apt-get upgrade from wheezy to jessie and im getting an error with openssl |
| 21:08.06 | somiaj | Zhong: ask your specific question. What issues are you having. Standard check list. 1) are you sure you are booting in EFI mode (not legacy). 2) I think you have to disable secure boot. 3) You have to have an efi partition and use gpt partition table. |
| 21:08.07 | JackPH | valdyn: installing now |
| 21:08.08 | LiENUS | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/openssl_1.0.1k-3_i386.deb (--unpack): |
| 21:08.08 | LiENUS | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:08.08 | dpkg | lienus: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 21:08.13 | keltim | well that was a save, good job valdyn |
| 21:08.30 | JackPH | valdyn: once thats done do i need to add that kernel param? |
| 21:08.34 | valdyn | LiENUS: remove /var/cache/apt/archives/openssl_1.0.1k-3_i386.deb |
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| 21:08.44 | Zhong | somiaj: I disable fast boot both in windows and UEFI menu, as well as secure boot. |
| 21:08.48 | valdyn | JackPH: no, we skipped that step |
| 21:08.54 | LiENUS | valdyn, should apt-get clean accomplish that? |
| 21:09.06 | valdyn | LiENUS: yea |
| 21:09.13 | somiaj | LiENUS: could your drives be full? (just in case you haven't checked) |
| 21:09.16 | somiaj | well aprtitions |
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| 21:09.26 | moozzz | _5moufl: fortunatelly I didnt have to downgrade a lot of packages since I was actually using testing, which used to be debian 8 |
| 21:09.28 | Zhong | somiaj: my LiveCD kept booting into grub command prompt |
| 21:09.33 | LiENUS | somiaj, nah 50gigs free |
| 21:09.50 | somiaj | LiENUS: doesn't hurt to double check, but could just be a corrupt package. |
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| 21:10.05 | JackPH | valdyn: http://i.imgur.com/LNQ0O8f.png |
| 21:10.05 | somiaj | Zhong: how did you create this liveCD (burnt on an actual dvd/cd or put on a usb)? |
| 21:10.08 | LiENUS | apt-get clean then rerunning upgrade seems to have it |
| 21:10.10 | moozzz | _5moufl: now I am gonna stay for a couple of months with jessie and then will upgrade to testing (stretch) again |
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| 21:10.26 | Zhong | somiaj: I used Rufus with GPT partition scheme. |
| 21:10.33 | _5moufl | moozzz :ok thanks, I'm not sure it's a good idea that I do that from unstable tho |
| 21:10.59 | valdyn | JackPH: so at least sysvinit-core installed correctly, that should be enough |
| 21:11.10 | JackPH | hard reboot then? |
| 21:11.12 | valdyn | JackPH: you need to fix stuff that depends on d-bus later |
| 21:11.12 | somiaj | Zhong: what is Rufus? CD or usb thumb drive? |
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| 21:11.16 | moozzz | _5moufl: I guess in your case, it's a bit more complicated... |
| 21:11.31 | valdyn | JackPH: run sync first maybe, but yes |
| 21:11.39 | Zhong | somiaj: a usb writer that burns iso to your thumb drive |
| 21:11.57 | valdyn | JackPH: cgmanager wont work ever i think on that kernel |
| 21:12.02 | moozzz | _5moufl: since a downgrade of libc6 would be needed =( |
| 21:12.17 | somiaj | Zhong: I think that is your issue. Debian .iso are already created to boot in multiple mobds. On cd's, on usb drives, in legacy or efi mode. Rufus is probably damanging this when it does its tool to make it bootable. |
| 21:12.18 | JackPH | valdyn: i think i'm probably going to just pull data off this thing and reinstall |
| 21:12.21 | JackPH | i have backups anyway |
| 21:12.28 | somiaj | Zhong: are you needed to write this image to a usb drive in Windows? |
| 21:12.29 | _5moufl | I'm gonna try to downgrade that libldb package |
| 21:12.44 | valdyn | JackPH: rebooted yet? |
| 21:12.46 | Zhong | somiaj: yeah I'm booting from a USB drive |
| 21:12.57 | JackPH | soluscp won't reboot haha |
| 21:13.02 | JackPH | what a pile of crap |
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| 21:13.09 | JackPH | ill probably move host while im at it |
| 21:13.10 | keltim | JackPH, check your backups before you reboot |
| 21:13.37 | JackPH | i cant ssh in anyway since thats dbus dependent |
| 21:13.40 | somiaj | Zhong: http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ -- use that tool to write the usb image. You need a tool that does a direct image copy. |
| 21:13.46 | JackPH | so the backups better work |
| 21:13.57 | valdyn | JackPH: why cant you reboot? |
| 21:14.06 | valdyn | JackPH: thats the isp or is the system more broken now? |
| 21:14.09 | JackPH | soluscp is failing at it |
| 21:14.28 | JackPH | valdyn: no i can still serial in, just i still can't do native SSH |
| 21:14.35 | Zhong | somiaj: does it have MBR or GPT options? |
| 21:14.39 | JackPH | so i can't pull data off with SFTP |
| 21:14.39 | valdyn | JackPH: anyway, you cannot install jessie directly on this, because it defaults to systemd |
| 21:15.09 | JackPH | ok its booting... |
| 21:15.20 | buu | So uh, if my apt-sources contains the string 'testing' and I apt-get upgrade, what exactly will I be upgrading to? |
| 21:15.33 | nse | teraflop: that site you gave me has a column in the first table called 'ftp-master time'. does that column shows the time the mirror was last modified? |
| 21:15.37 | somiaj | Zhong: the debian iso is a full disk image. The partition table is included in the image and so is the bootloader. You do not want to mess with the partition table at all. You want to write the image directally to the usb drive (it will destroy all data on it) |
| 21:15.44 | valdyn | buu: stretch |
| 21:15.50 | Zhong | somiaj: Someone else recommend me using USBWriter, which basically uses the MBR partition and that helps me to get to the Debian Installer menu |
| 21:15.55 | buu | valdyn: ok |
| 21:15.58 | JackPH | valdyn: ok its dead :P http://i.imgur.com/cOAC9UZ.png |
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| 21:16.08 | JackPH | even the serial console fails now |
| 21:16.22 | buu | valdyn: So just to be explicit when I was using 'testing' it actually was an alias for 'jessie' |
| 21:16.24 | somiaj | Zhong: the image contains everything it needs to boot in mbr or efi mode. It does both. You want to keep it as it is so it can do both (then you have to make sure you boot it in EFI not legacy) |
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| 21:16.33 | JackPH | valdyn: thanks for the help anyway :) |
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| 21:17.09 | valdyn | buu: but now that jessie is stable, testing is stretch |
| 21:17.33 | JackPH | lol i asked my host to get a new kernel in |
| 21:17.36 | Zhong | somiaj: ok, so I went ahead and now, Debian boots into tty1 terminal. |
| 21:17.41 | valdyn | JackPH: they cant |
| 21:17.45 | valdyn | JackPH: does not exist |
| 21:17.50 | JackPH | No not on my VPS |
| 21:17.56 | somiaj | Zhong: I belive it is using gtp table with mbr fall back. I just don't worry as all that is done for me and do a direct copy of the image onto my thumb drive. |
| 21:17.59 | buu | So much fun. |
| 21:18.02 | JackPH | I mean upgrade the kernel on the hypervisor so i can reinstall Debian |
| 21:18.09 | valdyn | JackPH: yes, thats not possible |
| 21:18.13 | JackPH | ...? |
| 21:18.23 | JackPH | why so? |
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| 21:18.49 | valdyn | JackPH: because 2.6.32 is the newest version that exists and supports openvz / virtuozzo or somesuch |
| 21:19.03 | JackPH | ohhh |
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| 21:19.25 | JackPH | In that case I'll grab myself Xen VPSs only from now on |
| 21:19.29 | JackPH | or KVM |
| 21:19.41 | Zhong | somiaj: yeah ok, but why does Debian boot into this tty1 terminal, aptitude reveals that gnome-session isn't installed and I have tried to install it twice. |
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| 21:20.12 | valdyn | JackPH: well, kvm is in mainline, so it cant really go unsupported easily |
| 21:20.23 | Zhong | somiaj: what I'm probably going to do is just burn an DVD iso and install on that same partition again |
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| 21:24.11 | basil1x | What would I hafta do to the mixed DVD to make it a LiveDVD? I wanta try it out before committing myself to an install. |
| 21:24.21 | JackPH | valdyn: So I've just reinstalled Debian 7 x64 on my dead VPS |
| 21:24.34 | JackPH | is there any way to upgrade to 8 and use the old init system? |
| 21:24.38 | JackPH | or will things break anyway |
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| 21:28.46 | gone-------- | i regret upgrading to be honest |
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| 21:29.03 | nezZario | Hey guys |
| 21:29.10 | gone-------- | the experience has been horrible on the majority of my machines |
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| 21:29.41 | nezZario | I have a pretty ambitious idea.. I'd really like to have my home dir sync'd between all 3 of my debian desktops... any ideas? |
| 21:30.07 | marcusk | nezZario: Keep it on one of them and use NFS from the others |
| 21:30.20 | gone-------- | rsync? |
| 21:30.24 | blackflow | rsync. |
| 21:30.48 | nezZario | rsync is pretty low level though, and i'm behind hellacious firewalls on all of 'em |
| 21:31.08 | nezZario | I guess I could use a vps to use reverse tunnels |
| 21:31.23 | nezZario | or just use the vps for a dump and pull from the vps.. |
| 21:31.50 | blackflow | you can rsync over ssh |
| 21:31.54 | gone-------- | any word on how long wheezy's LTS will be? |
| 21:32.10 | gone-------- | i'm not upgrading any of my servers that's for sure |
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| 21:32.57 | m4t | is there a way, with systemd, to have "reboot" actually disconnect your ssh session before taking down the network? |
| 21:33.00 | m4t | so it doesn't just hang |
| 21:33.15 | JackPH | gone--------: yeah after that experience with my first server |
| 21:33.23 | JackPH | im not upgrading any others |
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| 21:34.23 | gone-------- | :) try jessie on a desktop goodluck |
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| 21:35.29 | jasabella | should i be able to upgrade my live usb from wheezy live to jessie live? |
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| 21:37.01 | jasabella | where's jessie live rescue? hmmm |
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| 21:37.53 | JackPH | gone--------: sounds like even more hell considering that my servers are a lot more organized and consistent software wise than my desktop haha |
| 21:38.05 | blackflow | gone--------: Jessie has much new, radically different stuff. The more complex the setup the more likely it is to fail. Just reinstall. |
| 21:38.08 | JackPH | but thankfully i don't use linux on my desktop |
| 21:38.35 | JackPH | hackintosh gives me the best of nix and an easy user experience |
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| 21:39.03 | jusbv | hello, i want dist-upgrade my server i can't find a stable sources.list t tried here: http://62.210.252.160/sources.list |
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| 21:39.13 | jasabella | you can use sysvinit with jessie |
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| 21:39.32 | fiberterminal | is there a log for deborphan? |
| 21:39.42 | fiberterminal | I blindly removed half a dozen packages that it found and now feel dumb |
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| 21:40.27 | jasabella | haha |
| 21:40.34 | jasabella | found a blemish :) |
| 21:40.46 | peterrooney | fiberterminal: not exactly, but dpkg and apt keep logs |
| 21:40.51 | fiberterminal | of course! |
| 21:41.26 | peterrooney | I'm still puzzled that deborphan keeps its configuration file under /var/ |
| 21:42.02 | nezZario | On a related note to ssh / tunneling .. Is there anything to run a reverse tunnel as a daemon or something? I do ssh back and forth into these boxes but 1/2 the time the tunnels go down for whatever reason. I made a deal that uses wait $pid but it still ends up messing up someway or another after any prolonged period |
| 21:42.11 | nezZario | What would be a decent way to keep it stable / always running? |
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| 21:46.04 | digdilem | nezZario, autossh might be what you want |
| 21:46.22 | nezZario | That has a good sound to it, I'll check it out thanks |
| 21:46.54 | digdilem | it keeps a ssh tunnel open and reconnects when it dies. |
| 21:47.03 | fiberterminal | turns out I didn't break anything! yay! |
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| 21:47.44 | fiberterminal | now, foolishly, running deborphan --guess-all, which I'm sure is mighty dangerous, only finds sysvint |
| 21:47.52 | fiberterminal | I have changed to systemd, is it safe to purge sysvint? |
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| 21:48.56 | fiberterminal | erm sysvinit* |
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| 21:49.30 | fiberterminal | sounds like a viable means of making my install unbootable |
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| 21:49.55 | jusbv | Are http://62.210.252.160/sources.list ok?with a dist-upgrade |
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| 21:53.11 | ryouma | my grub menus don't work anymore, and i don't understand initrd. i have unencrypted boot, and two encrypted root partitions (sda5 and sda6) that i want to switch between (e.g. one for wheezy and one for jessie). a grep on initrd says it points to sda5_crypt (target=sda5_crypt) to know where root is. how do i make it so that i can use my extra grub menu items to boot from sda6_crypt when i want to? |
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| 21:53.30 | ryouma | i.e. it seems like initrd is sort of hard coded to only one partition :( |
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| 21:55.17 | fiberterminal | https://packages.debian.org/jessie/sysvinit |
| 21:55.24 | fiberterminal | ^ answers my questions :) |
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| 21:57.39 | nickgaw | Hi, In debian jessie if I install the gnome desktop and the standard system I notice that my wireless network settings are not stored in /etc/network/interfaces file what file are these settings stored in in the X windows system as I am totally blind and mainly use the speakup screen reader as I like the command line and orca the gnome screen reader is not telling me any useful information as I had to get a new router and need to enter |
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| 21:59.02 | SynrGy | nickgaw: there is a cli, nmcli, that should already be installed |
| 21:59.03 | marioxcc | Hello. |
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| 21:59.30 | marioxcc | I am trying to install security upgrades in Debian Wheezy. I'm getting this message: https://paste.debian.net/169181/ |
| 21:59.46 | centrx | nickgaw, It's probably using NetworkManager, and it looks like the configuration file is called NetworkManager.conf |
| 21:59.46 | marioxcc | What should I do?. |
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| 22:00.38 | SynrGy | nickgaw: you can use 'nmcli c show' to show networks |
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| 22:01.46 | SynrGy | nickgaw: and other commands to add, delete or modify connections ('c' is short for 'connection') |
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| 22:02.30 | SynrGy | nickgaw: while it is true, as centrx says, that there is a NetworkManager.conf file, that is not where connections are stored. |
| 22:02.42 | nickgaw | ok and once I finish the connection settings will it save them for future use or will I have to always reconnect? |
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| 22:04.56 | SynrGy | nickgaw: while i have not used nmcli to create them, but only the gui, they do persist. the gui has a 'share with other users' option. i don't know what the equivalent is with nmcli, but you need that if you want the network connection to come up before you login (e.g. at boot) |
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| 22:05.42 | teraflop | there is also a more friendly nmtui cli |
| 22:05.46 | pmumble_ | nickgaw: the autoconnect and autoconnect-priority are used to determine the order of connections automatically |
| 22:05.57 | pepee | there is wicd |
| 22:05.58 | pmumble_ | nmcli conn edit is nice too |
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| 22:07.05 | jelly | ,i nyancat |
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| 22:07.24 | SynrGy | nickgaw: it might simply be a matter of running nmcli as root for 'all users' connections |
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| 22:08.30 | SynrGy | Pulec: oh, cool. nmcli conn edit does look nice |
| 22:09.03 | marioxcc | Hello. I am trying to install security upgrades in Debian Wheezy. I'm getting this message: https://paste.debian.net/169181/, and apt-get exits with a status code. What should I do to fix this error?. |
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| 22:10.00 | centrx | marioxcc, It seems like you either have a bad key on your side, or something wrong with that particular server (try http.debian.net ?). When was the last time you upgraded? |
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| 22:10.52 | Pulec | SynrGy, accidental highlight? |
| 22:10.56 | blackflow | oh hell that reminds me I have to reboot the servers for the kernel upgrade... brb |
| 22:10.58 | marioxcc | centrx: I do not remember when I last updated, but it was _less_ than 14 days ago for sure. |
| 22:11.04 | SynrGy | Pulec: yes. pmumble_ |
| 22:11.07 | SynrGy | sorry |
| 22:11.09 | Pulec | whats your actual kernel? |
| 22:11.13 | Pulec | i am using arch, so |
| 22:11.16 | Pulec | and redhat :D |
| 22:11.38 | marioxcc | centrx: Why may I have a bad key installed?. I haven't modified the key ring directly. |
| 22:11.48 | marioxcc | Only installed and uninstalled packages from the âmainâ repository. |
| 22:12.07 | moozzz | marioxcc: can you try the same with a mirror server? |
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| 22:12.56 | marioxcc | moozzz: I thought than they were no security mirrors. Which one should I use?. |
| 22:13.21 | marioxcc | moozzz: Here is my sources.list: https://paste.debian.net/169184/ |
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| 22:13.35 | moozzz | marioxcc: https://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
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| 22:14.06 | Zhong | does the DVD iso include network-manager-gnome? |
| 22:14.08 | moozzz | marioxcc: your source.list seems to be ok |
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| 22:14.23 | marioxcc | moozzz: But again, I thought Debian has no security mirrors. I am trying to get the security upgrades. |
| 22:14.39 | marioxcc | What should I use instead of http://security.debian.org/? |
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| 22:16.05 | moozzz | marioxcc: wait, you have a mistake in your source.list |
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| 22:16.38 | marioxcc | moozzz: What is it?. |
| 22:18.27 | Zhong | I have a intel wireless N dual band 7265, is it supported? |
| 22:19.20 | SynrG | most intel wireless is supported. for a better answer, we need the output of 'lspci -nn | grep -i network' |
| 22:19.30 | SynrG | it probably needs firmware |
| 22:19.53 | SynrG | !iwlwifi |
| 22:19.53 | jhutchins | !jessie sources.list |
| 22:19.54 | dpkg | The iwlwifi Linux kernel driver supports several Intel 802.11n (WiFi Link, Wireless-N, Advanced-N, Ultimate-N) and 802.11ac adapters. Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi package to provide. Supported devices are listed at https://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi . See also <iwlegacy>, <iwl7000>. |
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| 22:20.25 | SynrG | Zhong: are you planning to install over wireless? |
| 22:21.26 | Zhong | SynrG: I've already install Debian, it's missing the wireless network interface where I can't select which wireless network to scan |
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| 22:22.24 | Zhong | SynrG: during the installation it asks me for my ethernet card, to which I have no idea but later the firmware wasn't there. |
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| 22:22.59 | marioxcc | Hello. I am trying to install security upgrades in Debian Wheezy. I'm getting this message: https://paste.debian.net/169181/, my sources.list is https://paste.debian.net/169184/ and apt-get exits with a status code. What should I do to fix this error?. |
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| 22:25.07 | simont | Is it possible to tell on a headless install whether or not the system needs to reboot after applying updates? I keep reading about /var/run/reboot-required, but I've never seen it, even after a kernel update |
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| 22:26.02 | moozzz | marioxcc: http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ try to use the generator |
| 22:26.16 | Brigo | marioxcc, it is a problem with the packages signature. You can try upgrade just one time with --allow-unauthenticated option for getting the next signature key |
| 22:26.52 | moozzz | marioxcc: but this time choose the mirror closest to you (country and so on) |
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| 22:27.50 | moozzz | marioxcc: it looks like there are some issues either with the mirror server or with the network connection between the mirror server and your box |
| 22:28.00 | marioxcc | Brigo: That sounds (or reads) like a dirty and unsafe workaround. I'd rather try to do it the right way. |
| 22:28.21 | marioxcc | moozzz: Yes, I have an awful Internet connection, may that be the cause of this error?. |
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| 22:28.28 | marioxcc | Often the connection goes away while upgrading. |
| 22:28.50 | moozzz | marioxcc: this could be an issue |
| 22:29.01 | marioxcc | Or the ADSL-modem spoofs all HTTP requests to a "check your connection" page (in a reserved IP address). |
| 22:29.05 | Brigo | marioxcc, it could be |
| 22:29.32 | moozzz | marioxcc: that's why Debian has mirrors - to allow users to shorten their way to updates |
| 22:29.44 | moozzz | marioxcc: try the generator |
| 22:30.43 | marioxcc | moozzz: I used that generator, but I am trying with a nearby mirror. |
| 22:30.44 | marioxcc | (Mexico) |
| 22:30.53 | Brigo | marioxcc, i just saw the line 20 it is compline about the server lack of update |
| 22:31.06 | Brigo | marioxcc, just try another server. |
| 22:31.11 | marioxcc | Brigo: Ok. |
| 22:31.14 | moozzz | marioxcc: and what does it say now? |
| 22:31.22 | marioxcc | moozzz: It's still downloading. |
| 22:31.47 | jelly | marioxcc, moozzz: the error concerns security.debian.org, and that repo has no mirrors. There's no need to change sources.list in this case. |
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| 22:32.32 | moozzz | jelly, marioxcc: hmm, indeed |
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| 22:32.42 | marioxcc | moozzz, Brigo, jelly: Here is it: https://paste.debian.net/169186/ |
| 22:33.02 | marioxcc | The only thing I changed was to use a Mexican mirror for the first 2 lines of my sources.list |
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| 22:33.43 | marioxcc | The error messages mention Jessie, but I am using âwheezyâ instead of âstableâ in sources.list. What is the problem?. |
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| 22:34.02 | jelly | marioxcc: if you have a partially incorrect Release or Packages file, rm /var/lib/apt/lists/*security.debian.org* and do an "apt-get update" again. |
| 22:35.36 | marioxcc | jelly: Ok, I am downloading. |
| 22:35.54 | jelly | marioxcc: the release files are now signed with both wheezy and jessie release keys, and that should not matter if your apt/gpg is from wheezy. |
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| 22:36.15 | marioxcc | jelly: Ok. |
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| 22:36.35 | marioxcc | It is still downloading. |
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| 22:37.17 | marioxcc | Would you recommend BTRFS for a personal (not served) competer (do you think it is stable enough)? |
| 22:37.34 | ryouma | is it possible to be able to boot into either of two root partitions when they are encrypted? |
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| 22:38.33 | jelly | marioxcc: only if your backups are well tested and you don't mind reformatting occasionally |
| 22:40.00 | marioxcc | jelly: Have you had a BTRFS filesystem fail due to a bug?. |
| 22:40.21 | jelly | not me, just acquaintances |
| 22:40.46 | jelly | last experimental fs I used was ext3 |
| 22:41.21 | marioxcc | jelly, Brigo: removing the lists worked, thanks you. |
| 22:41.39 | marioxcc | jelly: I see. |
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| 22:42.55 | simont | Is it possible to tell on a headless install whether or not the system needs to reboot after applying updates? I keep reading about /var/run/reboot-required, but I've never seen it, even after a kernel update |
| 22:43.00 | shay_shay | marioxcc: i have had success with btrfs for personal use |
| 22:43.33 | marioxcc | shay_shay: Ok. Same question: have you experienced a failure due to a bug (not a hardware failure)?. |
| 22:43.43 | shay_shay | nope |
| 22:43.52 | shay_shay | been a year now using it on everything |
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| 22:44.17 | marioxcc | shay_shay: Ok. Do you use snapshots, compression, or other advanced features (not present in ext4)?. |
| 22:44.31 | jusbv | why NameVirtualHost has no effect and will be removed in the next release? |
| 22:44.39 | shay_shay | marioxcc: lets go into #btrfs |
| 22:45.28 | jelly | jusbv: ask the upstream authors. http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/upgrading.html |
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| 22:45.47 | _habnabit | so i have debian running on an x86_64 box, and i have an SD card mounted that has an armhf installation of debian on it. i want to install a package onto the SD card, but i can't chroot because of the architecture difference. is the best way to solve this to download the .deb files i'd need onto the SD card, and then run dpkg -i from the ARM host? or is there something better? |
| 22:45.55 | jusbv | thank you |
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| 22:46.49 | jelly | jusbv: it has no effect because every listener is automatically assumed to be that. > Any address/port combination appearing in multiple virtual hosts is implicitly treated as a name-based virtual host |
| 22:47.37 | jelly | so it's just a smarter parser taking away the need for that directive |
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| 22:53.01 | jelly | _habnabit: qemu-arm ? |
| 22:53.09 | _habnabit | jelly, i suppose |
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| 22:53.26 | _habnabit | jelly, does that actually work pretty well for this circumstance? |
| 22:53.35 | jelly | _habnabit: never tried it. |
| 22:53.44 | _habnabit | jelly, heh okay |
| 22:53.51 | ryouma | is there a channel where i can ask my booting question? |
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| 22:56.22 | jelly | ryouma: dunno. Why don't you have separate kernel+initrd combos for each OS? |
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| 22:56.53 | ryouma | jelly: how do i do that? |
| 22:58.01 | posterdati300 | urgh! updating on the server made a mess! |
| 22:58.16 | posterdati300 | cannot remove emcas23 |
| 22:58.35 | posterdati300 | cannot remove emacs23 and it removed all kde instead |
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| 22:59.01 | rabbitear_sdf | install vim |
| 22:59.42 | posterdati300 | for doing what? |
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| 23:00.13 | ryouma | jelly: the way i see the problem is that the root partitions are both encrypted, but when i boot, the computer needs to decrypt one of them. so it has to know which partition i want. but that happens (i'm guessing here) before grub. it seems to be hardcoded in initrd on my unencrypted partition. i want the choice to be mine instead. |
| 23:00.45 | ryouma | but i don't know much about this; i just want a menu item in grub that can get me to the other partition sometimes. |
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| 23:17.17 | lophos | When booting it gets stuck at: Adding 1048568k swap on /dev/vdb1. Priority:-1 extents:1 across: 1048568k , this is the first time this happens to me. I'm running updated Debian wheezy |
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| 23:18.45 | lophos | /dev/vda1: |=== % ok it advances :) |
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| 23:21.11 | AR45 | How can I monitor my CPU temp on Debian 8? |
| 23:21.22 | AR45 | & what happened to apt-spy? |
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| 23:35.02 | the_sniff | hey i have a cron set up to run a .sh file and running the command manually works. the cron doesn't run and the cronlog is empty, any ideas? |
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| 23:43.41 | Brigo | the_sniff, paste the cron line |
| 23:43.48 | lophos | has migrated successfully from wheezy to jessie, zero hassle!! thank you!! |
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| 23:44.36 | the_sniff | http://pastebin.com/BdDNQmgg |
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| 23:45.00 | the_sniff | this is the cron line, it used to work in a server i moved this from. seems like it doesnt on said server too :o |
| 23:45.27 | claudiop | Hi. Whats the default dhcp client for jessie? There's no "dhcp-client" package, but there is dhcpcd5 (as on arch), is it the one to use? |
| 23:45.39 | claudiop | I just want to use dhcpv6 |
| 23:45.42 | claudiop | Simplest way? |
| 23:45.54 | Brigo | the_sniff, it could be the path, try with /bin/sh not just sh |
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| 23:46.20 | the_sniff | Brigo will try |
| 23:46.23 | Timoteo | claudiop: I think isc-dhcp-client |
| 23:46.33 | the_sniff | any way to not have to do a replace on this? it's a long list of crons ;P |
| 23:46.39 | the_sniff | like /defaults or something |
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| 23:47.04 | zcm | hello |
| 23:47.08 | Brigo | the_sniff, add at the very first PATH=/bin |
| 23:47.22 | Brigo | very first line, i mean |
| 23:47.34 | un214 | so why doesn't /usr/local/bin come first? |
| 23:47.48 | claudiop | Timoteo, It got installed by default, but it wont gets the ip from one of the cards |
| 23:48.04 | claudiop | I have a ipv4 and an ipv6 only card |
| 23:48.07 | the_sniff | Brigo> why does it have to be the first one? it is in the |
| 23:48.10 | the_sniff | PATH though |
| 23:48.28 | claudiop | NetworkManager deals with the ipv4, but not with the v6 |
| 23:49.09 | claudiop | Both have dhcp activated of course |
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| 23:49.34 | Timoteo | have no experience with ipv6 yet, sorry :/ |
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| 23:49.38 | Brigo | the_sniff, well not the very first but above the configuration lines. for security reasons cron does not use the PATH variable, you have to declare it again in the file. |
| 23:49.43 | blackflow | Am I reading this right, that this (rc) bug is still open? And Jessie was released despite of a data corruption bug like this? https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=780207 |
| 23:50.00 | the_sniff | Brigo ah ok |
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| 23:50.12 | the_sniff | good idea |
| 23:50.19 | the_sniff | i feel so out of shape lol |
| 23:50.51 | the_sniff | Brigo it has a PATH line in the cron lol didn't notice |
| 23:50.57 | the_sniff | http://pastebin.com/kkwaqd6P |
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| 23:51.41 | Brigo | blackflow, i read Severity: serious |
| 23:52.25 | claudiop | In one of my jessie virtual machines i left desktop option checked by mistake. Any way to revert to minimal easily? Removing the package gnome, only seems to remove that single package. Doesn't debian has package groups? |
| 23:52.35 | Brigo | the_sniff, so that's no the problem. Can you try to make the script executable and get ride of that sh just for try? |
| 23:52.41 | blackflow | Brigo: yeah, and Jessie was released... I think server admins should be seriously warned before putting Jessie into production at this stage. |
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| 23:53.04 | r15 | hi |
| 23:53.20 | Brigo | claudiop, i think you can remove most of those package with apt-get autoremove once you have removed gnome package. |
| 23:53.21 | r15 | just installed jessi, need to get gnome classic |
| 23:53.36 | claudiop | Bringo, I'll try. Thanks |
| 23:53.42 | r15 | tried gnome-classic option from login window, didn't worked. |
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| 23:53.51 | r15 | how do i get gnome-classic on jessie? |
| 23:54.05 | Remram | Is bsdmainutils still maintained, |
| 23:54.20 | Brigo | r15, afaik with the gnome-classic option from login window |
| 23:54.24 | Remram | this is scary: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?src=bsdmainutils |
| 23:54.57 | r15 | Brigo: yes tried that. i had debian lenny, preserved /home/ |
| 23:55.08 | r15 | again trying it. |
| 23:55.20 | Brigo | r15, debian lenny??? |
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| 23:55.44 | Brigo | how do you get gnome-classic in debian lenny? |
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| 23:55.48 | r15 | sorry, previous 7* version with latest. |
| 23:55.52 | un214 | Remram: what in there is scary? |
| 23:56.03 | Brigo | r15, wheezy |
| 23:56.14 | r15 | Brigo:yes wheezy with latest updates. |
| 23:56.20 | Remram | unclassified bugs that have been sitting here for a long time |
| 23:56.22 | Brigo | r15, did you get the option from the menu? |
| 23:56.26 | Remram | I'm trying to find out who exactly is upstream |
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| 23:56.44 | r15 | Brigo: yes, i selected gnome-classic from the gdm login. |
| 23:56.56 | un214 | all but one of those are obvious feature requests |
| 23:57.00 | Brigo | and it fails. |
| 23:57.00 | r15 | trying it again. back in a while. |
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| 23:59.07 | r15 | is in gnome-classic. Thanks. |
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| 23:59.47 | Brigo | r15, did you get in? |
