| 00:01.44 | r15 | Brigo:yes, |
| 00:02.01 | Remram | should I wait for the bug to catch someone's eye? Try to debug it? Is there an upstream I can report it to? |
| 00:02.10 | Brigo | good for you then, r15 :) |
| 00:02.30 | Remram | I could offer my help but this radio silence situation is weirding me out |
| 00:03.21 | the_sniff | take so long to update to jessie on a 100Mbit line lol |
| 00:03.32 | r15 | however somewhat diffrent, alt+F1 doesn't give application menu... just installing BCM4313 802.11bgn driver now. |
| 00:03.40 | Brigo | Remram, ask to the package maintainer. If he didn't answer in few days talk with debian-devel channel. |
| 00:03.53 | blackflow | Remram: does that have anything to do with kfreebsd? |
| 00:05.19 | the_sniff | Brigo, changed to +x still doesnt seem to run |
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| 00:05.27 | the_sniff | is the cron user's log in syslog? can't recall |
| 00:05.38 | Brigo | the_sniff, and removed the sh? |
| 00:06.03 | Remram | IMHO this affects a ton of distribs, most have a hexdump tool |
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| 00:06.42 | the_sniff | no ill do that no |
| 00:06.45 | Brigo | the_sniff, i think so. |
| 00:06.47 | the_sniff | two more minutes lol |
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| 00:07.03 | the_sniff | the syslog doesn't show any attempt at cron running |
| 00:07.08 | Brigo | the_sniff, change that 30 for a 3 :) |
| 00:07.20 | Brigo | the_sniff, what file are you editing? |
| 00:07.24 | the_sniff | maybe the user having /bin/false for default shell is a problem? |
| 00:07.30 | the_sniff | im editing a 2minutes cron :p |
| 00:07.49 | Brigo | i doubt it. |
| 00:08.20 | Brigo | the_sniff, did you create that line with crontab -e command? |
| 00:08.29 | the_sniff | yes |
| 00:08.34 | the_sniff | syslog still has nothing |
| 00:08.46 | the_sniff | and my cronlog the same |
| 00:09.11 | the_sniff | should i try the /bin/false? |
| 00:09.58 | Brigo | the_sniff, i have no clues, so yes :) |
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| 00:11.46 | the_sniff | https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=79639 seems like vixie cron has that issue (w/e that is lol) |
| 00:12.32 | d3fault_ | does debian spin down non-mounted hard disks by default? in xfce this used to be a power management setting (that was disabled by default (drives didn't spin down)) |
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| 00:13.40 | d3fault_ | s/debian/jessie |
| 00:14.49 | the_sniff | Brigo seems like its still a no go meh |
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| 00:18.03 | the_sniff | Brigo weird, after manually running cron it seems like it IS running :O |
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| 00:18.21 | the_sniff | could it be that somehow the default image from my hosting company has a bug? or i killed the cron process by mistake? |
| 00:18.38 | Brigo | the_sniff, are you in wheezy? |
| 00:18.52 | the_sniff | yes |
| 00:19.21 | Brigo | yes, it could be. or may be it stop for itself. Check the logs. |
| 00:19.26 | the_sniff | this is a new live server, i hope no big issue has arised :p 1 website is kinda fscked lol |
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| 00:19.32 | the_sniff | Brigo what should i look for? |
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| 00:19.41 | martinm | just upgraded a laptop from Wheezy to jessie. after reboot, I *think* it complained about an fsck issue, but the screen scrolled away before I could read it. system now boots with a few services not working [expected, eg. apache] and root mounted ro. Any suggestions before I blow this expendable machine away? |
| 00:20.03 | Brigo | lines with CRON, the last one, for example. |
| 00:20.43 | Brigo | martinm, check the logs about that disk problem. |
| 00:20.52 | the_sniff | haha |
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| 00:20.55 | the_sniff | found a segfault |
| 00:21.00 | the_sniff | i guess i found a debian bug? |
| 00:21.16 | Brigo | it could be if you can reproduce it :) |
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| 00:22.26 | the_sniff | lol just add a manual cron file for a non existant user :p |
| 00:23.03 | the_sniff | you want to give it a try? its 3:30am here and i really need some sleep after figuring this out |
| 00:23.05 | the_sniff | http://pastebin.com/yDQyWf5i |
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| 00:25.01 | Brigo | the_sniff, how did you do it with su - <non-existent-user> crontab -e? |
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| 00:25.25 | martinm | Brigo: sure. what logs, though? kern.log ends earlier this afternoon |
| 00:25.56 | the_sniff | Brigo nope i manually unpacked a tar file and moved it to /var/spool... lol |
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| 00:25.59 | Brigo | martinm, let' start with syslog :) |
| 00:26.21 | the_sniff | i didnt think cron would mind it since there is no such user until i added it |
| 00:26.22 | Brigo | the_sniff, cool. And you create the directory? |
| 00:26.30 | Brigo | XDD |
| 00:26.33 | the_sniff | the directory was there lol |
| 00:26.43 | the_sniff | that might be a real bug |
| 00:26.51 | Agent_Isai | Hi, I recently installed Jessie and it failed to detect my network setting so I configured it manually but I didn't configure IPv6 now I tried to configure it but it asked me for a "prefix". What is that? |
| 00:27.00 | the_sniff | im proud of myself, first bug in 10years of being a sysadmin (about 5 years break though lol) |
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| 00:27.21 | the_sniff | i so like programming better ;) |
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| 00:28.30 | Brigo | the_sniff, i am trying it in my own system. |
| 00:28.35 | the_sniff | good luck |
| 00:28.42 | the_sniff | if it's bug feel free to report it |
| 00:28.51 | the_sniff | i might check up tomorrow to see how it went ;p |
| 00:29.00 | the_sniff | good night and thank you for your assitance |
| 00:29.14 | blackflow | Agent_Isai: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=ipv6+prefix |
| 00:30.38 | Brigo | the_sniff, my cron is smarter than yours :D |
| 00:30.57 | the_sniff | lol what happened? |
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| 00:30.59 | Brigo | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:31.08 | the_sniff | wait for it ;p |
| 00:31.10 | Brigo | and no crash. |
| 00:31.24 | the_sniff | the crash is a minute later |
| 00:31.40 | Brigo | ah, ok. |
| 00:31.47 | martinm | Brigo: nothing useful in syslog, it ends about the time I must have done that first reboot (the upgrade was left to itself for a few hours while I did other stuff - uiuc mirror was pretty slow today) |
| 00:32.10 | the_sniff | Brigo, i don't get the "/usr/sbin/cron[2381]: (main) INSECURE MODE (mode 0600 expected)" though |
| 00:32.32 | Brigo | the_sniff, wrong file permissions. |
| 00:32.40 | the_sniff | ah |
| 00:32.47 | Brigo | martinm, the try journalctl -b |
| 00:32.49 | the_sniff | so you should set the false user's permissions to root? |
| 00:33.08 | the_sniff | and make it 755 i think |
| 00:33.14 | Brigo | martinm, if the filesystem is readonly the logs cannot be writed. |
| 00:33.16 | abrotman | eh .. |
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| 00:33.22 | martinm | yes, exactly |
| 00:33.26 | the_sniff | it was like that for both root/main on my system |
| 00:33.35 | the_sniff | hey abrotman ltns (prolly don't remember me ;) |
| 00:33.48 | abrotman | you smell familiar .. |
| 00:33.51 | Brigo | journalctl use ram, so boot log should be there. |
| 00:33.56 | the_sniff | lol i SMELL? |
| 00:34.00 | the_sniff | funny how that's my line :o |
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| 00:34.21 | Brigo | the_sniff, no crash yet. |
| 00:34.36 | the_sniff | Brigo, did you try to make it owned by root and have a 755 mode? |
| 00:34.51 | Brigo | no. Let's try. |
| 00:34.58 | nmschulte | I'm having trouble pairing with blueman-manager. With i3, when I attempt to pair from the tablet, I click on the dialog (which shows matching pins) and when I do, the tablet says pairing failed. |
| 00:35.01 | the_sniff | i changed the root one to 755 by accident as well (no crontab -e to fix it :p) |
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| 00:36.41 | martinm | Brigo: dunno how it got this much saved. just says it mount failed, couldn't find the filesystem by UUID. What it used to save that log leaves me perplexed... |
| 00:37.28 | Brigo | martinm, It save it in a ram filesystem in /run ifrc |
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| 00:37.57 | the_sniff | Brigo, take a look at the log i pasted http://pastebin.com/yDQyWf5i seems like i did edit the files when they had the wrong permissions from the main user and THAN it crashed |
| 00:38.24 | Agent_Isai | I tried to put the ipv6 prefix but it says it's invalid |
| 00:38.58 | the_sniff | i think this is the way to reproduce it root# chmod 755 main; cp ./main /var/spool/cron/crontabs/; su main; crontab -e blahblahblah save; BOOM crash |
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| 00:40.20 | Brigo | martinm, you should change it. You can find the right uuid with ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/ |
| 00:40.30 | Brigo | and edit fstab and grub configuration. |
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| 00:41.13 | martinm | Brigo: yeah, found a later error - near the end, in fact - that complains about not finding some totally bogus UUID. Did they change the way those are formed or something? |
| 00:41.17 | the_sniff | ok im out Brigo thanks, try my last step to reproduce |
| 00:41.19 | the_sniff | gnite |
| 00:41.39 | Brigo | martinm, they shouldn't. |
| 00:41.49 | Brigo | the_sniff, good bye :) |
| 00:41.56 | blackflow | Agent_Isai: which one? |
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| 00:42.37 | Agent_Isai | In the Network configuration menu |
| 00:42.48 | blackflow | Agent_Isai: which prefix |
| 00:43.01 | Agent_Isai | ipv6 prefix? |
| 00:43.30 | blackflow | Agent_Isai: you said you tried to put an ipv6 prefix but it was invalid, so I'm asking which prefix did you put in? |
| 00:43.31 | martinm | Brigo: that's what I would think, but, well, weird. any quick thoughts on getting the filesystem remounted rw (which may be the step that's failing here)? For this system it's easier just to reinstall than get it to boot from a rescue disk :-( |
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| 00:44.01 | Brigo | maring mount / -o remount, rw may be? |
| 00:44.30 | Brigo | no: mount -o rw,remount / |
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| 00:44.49 | Brigo | that last one will work. |
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| 00:45.40 | martinm | Brigo: yep, that last error I found was the remount failing, same bogus UUID it can't find. hmmm... |
| 00:46.01 | Brigo | XD |
| 00:46.05 | un214 | well looks like bug 743215 is a systemd bug |
| 00:46.20 | Brigo | #743215 |
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| 00:47.45 | Brigo | martinm, i think you will need a rescue disk. |
| 00:47.48 | themill | wait.. people still use write(1)? |
| 00:47.54 | un214 | yup |
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| 00:48.03 | un214 | makes perfect sense from a cron job |
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| 00:48.18 | un214 | and that's where it got broke by systemd taking over cron |
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| 00:48.20 | themill | Wow... and I thought I was being retro when I used ytalk in 2003. |
| 00:49.23 | soundtoxin | I recently added a SWAP partition after going without one for some time. I've had to use swapon in gparted to enable it each boot. How do I make sure it stays enabled/enables on startup? |
| 00:49.24 | Brigo | XD |
| 00:49.54 | Brigo | soundtoxin, edit fstab and add a line about it. |
| 00:50.02 | soundtoxin | Brigo: oh that makes sense |
| 00:50.03 | soundtoxin | thank you |
| 00:50.04 | martinm | Brigo: for this machine, the resuce disk is netboot. hmmm.... I hate busybox, but maybe... |
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| 00:50.26 | Brigo | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:50.39 | un214 | so much a pill to make a usable rescue disk |
| 00:50.57 | Brigo | martinm, you will can mount the root partition and modify the fstab. |
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| 00:51.10 | Brigo | i can see other way. |
| 00:51.42 | soundtoxin | luckily I still have an entry from last time I had a swap partition |
| 00:51.45 | soundtoxin | just gotta fix the UUID |
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| 00:56.26 | martinm | Brigo: FWIW, correct by-uuid says it's 6a91..., grub.cfg has 6a91..., only fstab has the bogus 6342... |
| 00:56.46 | martinm | uhm.... crap, that bogud fstab is embedded into the initrd, isn't it? |
| 00:57.12 | Brigo | martinm, may be grub configuration was updated durint the update, but not fstab. |
| 00:57.22 | Brigo | martinm, you can rebuild it. |
| 00:58.01 | martinm | Brigo: begs the question, did they change the way the UUID was formed? this was in-place upgrade, UUID shouldn't change? |
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| 00:58.44 | un214 | not another broken UUID system |
| 00:59.16 | Brigo | martinm, i think uuids shouldn't change, but really i don't know. Of course updating jessie it should not happen or everybody will end with a brocken system like you. |
| 00:59.18 | martinm | Brigo: at this point I think I'm more interested in going back to a clean Wheezy and retrying the upgrade... until it works, Jessie ain't getting near any of the machines I'm actually using. |
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| 01:00.12 | martinm | also, past time for dinner. everything looks better after dinner :-) |
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| 01:01.40 | Brigo | it's bed time for me, bye and good luck :) |
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| 01:06.00 | un214 | is there any way to install grub w/o switching to it? |
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| 01:18.10 | blackflow | un214: "switching" to it? |
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| 01:18.38 | un214 | yeah I wanted to install the package to see if I can get update-grub to spit out a correct grub.config before I set it up as the bootloader |
| 01:19.28 | blackflow | un214: update-grub won't install the bootloader only the appropriate files in /boot |
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| 01:19.56 | un214 | yeah but the next apt-get dist-upgrade breaks the ssystem |
| 01:19.56 | introom | hi. |
| 01:20.03 | introom | to get <linux/init.h> what package should I install? |
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| 01:20.08 | un214 | unless I can somehow convince it that grub isn't really there |
| 01:20.39 | blackflow | un214: I'm not really sure what you want to achieve. |
| 01:20.55 | un214 | see if there's a way to fix update-grub |
| 01:21.01 | un214 | w/o breaking my system in the process |
| 01:21.05 | abrotman | dpkg: tell introom about apt-file |
| 01:21.21 | blackflow | un214: back up /boot, toy with it, restore /boot ? |
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| 01:22.16 | introom | abrotman: the bot does his job. |
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| 01:22.18 | un214 | ok let's try it the other way: how does apt-get dist-upgrade know whether grub or lilo is used to boot the ssytem |
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| 01:22.47 | blackflow | un214: package list, probably? I don't know. |
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| 01:23.29 | blackflow | un214: dist-upgrade really works on packages so that must be it |
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| 01:24.09 | Zhong | I did a fresh installation of Debian and there's no network manager applet. |
| 01:24.19 | Zhong | it detects my wireless chipset though |
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| 01:25.41 | karlpinc | Zhong: Possibly it needs non-free firmware and you need to enable the non-free repo? |
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| 01:26.27 | Zhong | karlpinc: yeah, that's what it said during the installation process but I have no internet. |
| 01:26.37 | un214 | well here's the thing: I currently boot with lilo due to grub2 spewing out a bad config file |
| 01:26.50 | un214 | everybody says I should get off lilo |
| 01:26.50 | abrotman | why is it bad? |
| 01:27.11 | un214 | because it picks one side of the raid as the root device |
| 01:27.16 | karlpinc | Zhong: If you have no internet how are you talking to us? |
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| 01:27.29 | Zhong | karlpinc: i'm using windows at the moment. |
| 01:27.50 | blackflow | un214: you mean it picks an /dev/sdX instead of mdX ? |
| 01:27.51 | abrotman | un214: you mean the boot device? |
| 01:27.53 | Zhong | karlpinc: i tried to use wireless interface file but that don't seem to work either. |
| 01:28.04 | un214 | yeah it picks as /dev/UUID/something |
| 01:28.18 | blackflow | un214: and that something is an md device or raw disk partition? |
| 01:28.21 | un214 | which resulves to /dev/sd1 rather than the raid controller |
| 01:28.38 | blackflow | un214: what's in your fstab? |
| 01:28.40 | karlpinc | Zhong: You can download the .deb file onto a usb stick or something and install it directly. I believe there's instructions in the installation manual. (And no need to re-install, just the what you need, install it, reboot.) (Or probably reboot, since it's firmware.) |
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| 01:28.48 | un214 | raid device |
| 01:29.50 | blackflow | un214: and mtab is corresponding? ie. all the proper mounts are active? |
| 01:30.24 | karlpinc | Zhong: http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
| 01:30.24 | un214 | yup |
| 01:30.33 | martinm | un214: I think that's right. grub knows a little about raid, but in early boot it has to access the raw drive - there's no md raid1 in the BIOS |
| 01:30.34 | karlpinc | !tell Zhong about installer firmware |
| 01:30.49 | blackflow | martinm: it's not |
| 01:30.57 | un214 | but it passes root=/dev/sda1 to the kernel! |
| 01:31.10 | karlpinc | Zhong: There are also unoffical installer images with non-free firmware. But that would mean re-installing, no need for that. |
| 01:31.26 | blackflow | un214: and that's raid-1 and /boot is separate? |
| 01:31.26 | martinm | oh, okay, that's different. must have missed part of this, sorry |
| 01:31.39 | un214 | nope - /boot is on the raid |
| 01:31.56 | blackflow | un214: but as a separate partition/device or part of the root? |
| 01:32.10 | un214 | it's part of / |
| 01:32.29 | Zhong | karlpinc: ok, I'll download the deb file for my firmware and install it. |
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| 01:33.36 | blackflow | un214: and you're using update-grub on that very system with mdadm active and root md device mounted? eg. not from a rescue disc and outside of a root chroot? |
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| 01:33.47 | un214 | yeah I tried that |
| 01:33.55 | un214 | it would spew out root=/dev/sda1 |
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| 01:34.53 | un214 | anyway I want to put grub back to continue diagnostics, but w/o switching off lilo until I get it working |
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| 01:35.12 | un214 | you see, I can type in a working grub.config |
| 01:35.23 | un214 | but update-grub would just clobber it |
| 01:35.25 | blackflow | un214: grub or grub2? |
| 01:35.39 | un214 | isn't there only grub2 now? |
| 01:35.40 | Neldogz | is Debian unstable (sid) the equivalent of installing Ubuntu? (minus of course Unity and Ubuntu specific software) |
| 01:35.41 | blackflow | un214: because grub2 config is an arcane shell script |
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| 01:36.26 | un214 | grub2 does indeed have update-grub that is a shell script that spits out grub.config |
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| 01:37.30 | AR45 | Neldogz: I wouldn't think so. |
| 01:37.30 | themill | Neldogz: unstable changes several times per day and you can have large sections of unstable being completely uninstallable at times. That's not the same as installing a release. Also, immediately after a release is made is a poor time to be using testing or unstable. |
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| 01:38.19 | un214 | you see, for all I know it's fixed in the past six months, but if I do apt-get install grub2 and can't get it working, the next kernel update and my system doesn't boot at all |
| 01:38.26 | Neldogz | themill: thank you for that. |
| 01:38.43 | blackflow | un214: well no, you back up /boot and if this fails you just revert back to lilo |
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| 01:38.55 | un214 | it has nothing to do with /boot |
| 01:38.58 | blackflow | un214: including reinstalling the bootloader |
| 01:39.09 | un214 | it has everything to do with apt-get dist-upgrading forgetting to run lilo |
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| 01:39.24 | AR45 | Neldogz: If you want Ubuntu with out all the "bloat" you can use their minimal disk |
| 01:39.33 | blackflow | un214: even if you uninstall grub and reinstall lilo before dist-upgrade? |
| 01:39.41 | un214 | ? |
| 01:39.50 | Neldogz | AR45: that sounds like a good idea. I will give that a try! |
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| 01:40.01 | un214 | apt-get install grub2 does not install grub to the bootloader |
| 01:40.15 | un214 | apt-get remove grub erases all my progress |
| 01:40.16 | blackflow | un214: it installs the packages you use to install the bootloader. |
| 01:40.25 | un214 | indeed |
| 01:40.46 | AR45 | Neldogz: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD |
| 01:41.32 | blackflow | un214: okay back to square one. if you install grub, and then do grub-install /dev/sdX for each disk, and do update-grub, you'll set up the Grub bootloader. Can't you later, if that fails, remove grub packages, reinstall lilo and do whatever it takes to reinstall the lilo bootloader onto the disks? |
| 01:41.49 | un214 | yes I can |
| 01:41.54 | blackflow | un214: so where's the problme? |
| 01:42.02 | zblakany | where I can find default files /etc/pam.d/common-* from jessie? |
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| 01:42.21 | un214 | ah-maybe I just have to be careful to always back out |
| 01:42.50 | un214 | I suppose there's one more way to ask the question though: where is the trigger file for initramfs-tools |
| 01:42.55 | blackflow | un214: well yes, the bootloader has at least TWO parts. the actuall bootloader that goes into, say, mbr, and the /boot dir with the kernel, initramfs, and later stages of the loader. |
| 01:43.09 | abrotman | AR45: How is that helpful? |
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| 01:44.12 | karlpinc | zblakany: sources.debian.org, or so I hear. Haven't tried it. |
| 01:44.24 | Zhong | karlpinc: I install the firmware but there's still no network showing up. |
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| 01:45.04 | zblakany | karlpinc: yeah, right! |
| 01:45.10 | un214 | ok I installed grub2 and it's behavior has changed |
| 01:45.18 | karlpinc | Zhong: I don't run jessie, yet, but paste your /etc/network/sources.list file. |
| 01:45.22 | un214 | it now tries to set root=UUID=garbage, which never works |
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| 01:45.31 | karlpinc | Zhong: (at a paste site like paste.debian.net.) |
| 01:45.45 | blackflow | un214: on the contrary, I'd suggest you keep the UUIDs esp. when working with raid |
| 01:46.05 | un214 | right now, trying to mount by UUID mounts one half of the RAID |
| 01:46.09 | martinm | I have a machine with RAID1 root, and it works fine with root=UUID.... |
| 01:46.15 | blackflow | un214: just make sure that /etc/default/grub does not disable Linux UUID |
| 01:46.47 | karlpinc | Zhong: You can also look in the output of the "dmesg" command, and /var/log/messages to see what the kernel thinks it's doing. (You could paste those....) |
| 01:46.58 | keltim | un214, is that UUID of /dev/<raid-device> or /dev/<disk> ? |
| 01:47.04 | blackflow | un214: that's not really possible, if you're moounting the md device, you can't mount "half" a raid, unless it's in degraded state so you mean that. |
| 01:47.12 | un214 | you see, the UUID it picked resulves to /dev/sda1 |
| 01:47.13 | karlpinc | Zhong: "dmesg | less" and look for the eth stuff. |
| 01:47.15 | keltim | wait, could not be the disl |
| 01:47.23 | un214 | but that's one half of the raid |
| 01:47.31 | un214 | the raid is /dev/sda + /dev/sdb |
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| 01:47.50 | keltim | un214, how can /dev/sda1 have a UUID ? it isn't a filesystem ... |
| 01:47.56 | karlpinc | blackflow: (With raid1 you _can_ look at just one disk of the mirror.) |
| 01:48.02 | un214 | it is a filesystem |
| 01:48.04 | blackflow | un214: can you pastebin the output of 'mount'? |
| 01:48.18 | blackflow | karlpinc: but you can't mount "half of raid" |
| 01:48.29 | keltim | un214, does tune2fs -l /dev/sda1 actually do something? |
| 01:48.30 | blackflow | you can mount individual raid-1 parts, yes |
| 01:48.54 | karlpinc | blackflow: No... I'm not really paying attention to your thread. But the bootloader can see half of a mirror. |
| 01:48.56 | keltim | oh raid1 |
| 01:49.02 | un214 | yes it does |
| 01:49.29 | keltim | un214, well, what does tune2fs -l /dev/md0 say? or whatever device? |
| 01:49.51 | blackflow | un214: can you pastebin the output of 'mount'? |
| 01:50.26 | un214 | exactly the same filesystem |
| 01:50.28 | karlpinc | Zhong: Always annoying to not have network. If it becomes really annoying you could start over with the unofficial netboot images that contain non-free firmware. It's a small download and you'll know right away if you don't have network. |
| 01:50.30 | AlexLikeRock | to paste : | http://paste.debian.net | |
| 01:50.46 | AlexLikeRock | pastebin not work so good wit GNU-linux |
| 01:50.55 | un214 | root entry: /dev/mapper/isw_cfbejbfeib_Volume11 on / type ext3 (rw,relatime,data=ordered) |
| 01:51.13 | percY- | So I'm installing debian jessie with the netinst iso on virtualbox and i'm getting this error http://puu.sh/hsajE/de066b00fa.jpg |
| 01:51.22 | percY- | any suggestions? |
| 01:51.25 | blackflow | un214: and what's the pv for the vg ? |
| 01:51.45 | un214 | no such thing |
| 01:52.02 | blackflow | un214: then how is root on a mapped volume? |
| 01:52.04 | karlpinc | !tell AlexLikeRock about nopaste |
| 01:52.12 | percY- | oo i guess its working now... strange |
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| 01:52.43 | blackflow | un214: is that LUKS? |
| 01:53.11 | un214 | it's mounted by initrd |
| 01:53.19 | blackflow | un214: you're not making any sense at all... |
| 01:53.31 | Zhong | karlpinc: yeah, I'll try to do it when I have ethernet cable running. |
| 01:53.38 | blackflow | un214: what device is that Volume11 thing? can you pastebin the output of blkid ? |
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| 01:54.53 | un214 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:55.11 | karlpinc | Zhong: I've not installed jessie, but the older netinstall images would hit the network before touching the disk. So you can tell if the network is working. (I hear wireless is working in the installer now too. Don't know if that's really true or just something I heard.) |
| 01:55.18 | blackflow | un214: that's not what I asked |
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| 01:56.34 | un214 | http://pastebin.com/KVK710Wv |
| 01:56.56 | AR45 | What happened to apt-spy |
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| 01:57.03 | blackflow | un214: so where's the raid here? |
| 01:57.16 | un214 | /dev/mapper devices over sda + sdb |
| 01:57.40 | AR45 | Is there an alternative? |
| 01:57.47 | blackflow | un214: but sda partitions are not "linux_raid_member" |
| 01:58.01 | blackflow | un214: is this mdadm software raid? |
| 01:58.13 | un214 | don't think so |
| 01:58.18 | blackflow | un214: ... |
| 01:58.27 | un214 | a mdadm rescue disk can't find the raid |
| 01:58.30 | martinm | no, it's not |
| 01:58.36 | un214 | I had to make one from the system's initrd |
| 01:58.54 | martinm | but checking is easy: cat /proc/mdstat |
| 01:59.13 | un214 | yeah definitely not mdraid |
| 01:59.23 | blackflow | un214: so you don't even have a problem do you? |
| 01:59.34 | blackflow | grub is pointing at the correct root device, no? |
| 01:59.37 | un214 | nope |
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| 01:59.51 | un214 | selecting by UUID results in /dev/sda1 rather than the raid controller device |
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| 01:59.55 | blackflow | un214: well, consult the hardware raid manual then. I'm out. thanks for listening. |
| 02:00.09 | martinm | what raid controller, un214? |
| 02:00.21 | un214 | some motherboard controlelr |
| 02:00.32 | un214 | the manual said the device would have such-and-such a name and it does |
| 02:00.45 | blackflow | un214: btw, you can only boot from partitions, not from "raid controller devices", your grub is correct |
| 02:00.46 | martinm | oh, fakeraid, almost certainly |
| 02:00.51 | un214 | writing to /dev/sda1 or /dev/sdb1 triggers a raid rebuild on the next boot |
| 02:01.00 | un214 | no it isn't |
| 02:01.20 | martinm | no? expensive server motherboard, then? |
| 02:01.22 | blackflow | hardware raid is transparent to the OS, you can't tell by looking at the paritions/disks that it's in raid |
| 02:01.33 | un214 | but it does |
| 02:01.44 | un214 | writing to /dev/sda or /dev/sdb bypasses the raid controller |
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| 02:02.15 | blackflow | unpossible |
| 02:02.15 | buu | Is there any kind of package or button to tweak if I'm runningxfce4 to get my volume hot keys to work? |
| 02:02.23 | un214 | hand verified |
| 02:02.27 | blackflow | nope. |
| 02:02.31 | un214 | the raid controller will rebuild on next boot |
| 02:02.33 | blackflow | it's not raid then |
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| 02:02.41 | buu | software raid |
| 02:03.22 | un214 | smart enough to notice the unbalanced writes and rebuild though |
| 02:03.41 | blackflow | un214: did you perhaps consider that you see /dev/sdaX but not /dev/sdbX and that may be the sdaX are actually raid partitions? |
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| 02:03.55 | un214 | yup |
| 02:04.09 | blackflow | and that's not it? |
| 02:04.14 | un214 | I did a test by writing to /dev/sda1 and reading it from /dev/sdb1 and it doesn't show up |
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| 02:04.25 | un214 | but if I write through the raid device /dev/mapper/isw_cfbejbfeib_Volume11 it shows up both places |
| 02:04.37 | blackflow | un214: that's because in hw raid you don't see individual elements |
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| 02:05.16 | un214 | now the problem is there doesn't seem to be any way to convince grub2 the root= line must read root=/dev/mapper/isw_cfbejbfeib_Volume11 |
| 02:05.16 | martinm | that /dev/mapper/yaddayadda is how fakeraid appears |
| 02:05.42 | blackflow | all that totally sounds like fakeraid |
| 02:05.55 | martinm | and nothing else |
| 02:05.59 | un214 | so the raid controller doesn't have any CPU |
| 02:06.04 | blackflow | un214: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Installing_with_Fake_RAID |
| 02:06.08 | blackflow | that's fake raid |
| 02:06.13 | martinm | sure it does - it uses the system CPU! |
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| 02:06.23 | un214 | exactly |
| 02:06.50 | martinm | that's why it's builtin to most every consumer mobo these days - cost is pennies |
| 02:07.05 | un214 | I've got CPU coming out my ears right now |
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| 02:07.23 | blackflow | un214: please check that link, it shows you how to install grub with fake raid |
| 02:08.09 | un214 | this is the page I followed long ago to set this up |
| 02:08.17 | martinm | better yet, if it's at all possible, dump the fakeraid and reinstall with md |
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| 02:08.33 | martinm | fakeraid is for Windows :-/ |
| 02:08.46 | blackflow | un214: what martinm said. fakeraid is gah. mdadm is simple it can't be simpler. |
| 02:09.10 | blackflow | un214: http://www.ducea.com/2009/03/08/mdadm-cheat-sheet/ bookmark this :) |
| 02:09.17 | un214 | somehow this fakeraid has enough sense to know which disk is out of date |
| 02:09.25 | karlpinc | un214: Worse, if you use hardware raid, fake or not, if you don't have a spare compatible controller available you lose everything if the controller dies. |
| 02:09.39 | un214 | nope |
| 02:09.43 | un214 | I checked this already |
| 02:09.44 | Arrowmaster | ive done fakeraid, do not recommend as i lost the array at some point and ended up just running on one drive instead of mirrored, then the drive failed |
| 02:10.00 | un214 | If I pull one disk and put it in a non-comprehending box I can mount the partitions just fine |
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| 02:10.17 | blackflow | un214: this is not hardware raid |
| 02:10.32 | Arrowmaster | thats possible with raid1 only |
| 02:10.39 | un214 | which is how I set it up |
| 02:11.34 | karlpinc | un214: Your fakeraid is probably _much_ less well tested and less reliable than the raid in Linux. |
| 02:11.57 | un214 | that may be; however it doesn't seem to need a rebuild on every power out |
| 02:11.58 | Arrowmaster | yeah i had a raid1 in fakeraid, i didnt have a way to fix it when i had an issue and a drive got removed temporarily, couldnt rebuild it |
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| 02:12.18 | un214 | Arrowmaster: huh? |
| 02:12.34 | un214 | dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb will rebuild it |
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| 02:12.51 | un214 | the raid descriptor is on the end of the disks |
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| 02:13.17 | karlpinc | un214: No telling. It might just not do a rebuild. But who knows if the firmware on the drive has flushed the drive cache, if the disk hardware is really hitting the disk when told to sync, and so forth. Consumer drives suck. Better safe than sorry. |
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| 02:16.24 | un214 | and the instructions still generate the broken root= line |
| 02:16.33 | un214 | are you sure that's not the real cause of all your data loss? |
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| 02:18.17 | un214 | ok they have fixed something |
| 02:18.34 | un214 | setting GRUB_DISALBE_LINUX_UUID="true" now generates a usable grub.cfg |
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| 02:20.08 | un214 | previously that would have generated root=/dev/sda1 |
| 02:20.51 | un214 | can somebody fix that page? |
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| 02:22.22 | abrotman | The wiki page? |
| 02:22.31 | un214 | yes |
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| 02:23.16 | abrotman | You can, create an account |
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| 02:27.09 | Zhong | hi, my WiFi interface in Gnome shows up but there's no network?/ |
| 02:27.35 | Zhong | it has this loading bar. |
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| 02:28.32 | birch_ | something wrong with oftc? |
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| 02:30.19 | sydney_untangle | No airmon-ng in jessie? |
| 02:30.42 | un214 | ok fixed page |
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| 02:40.44 | simont | sydney_untangle: have you tried aircrack-ng? |
| 02:40.56 | somiaj | sydney_untangle: I am not getting any hits when searching for airmon in debian. |
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| 02:41.45 | somiaj | yea looks like arimon-ng is the binary in aircrack-ng |
| 02:42.13 | kalin00b | aircrack-ng is a suite of several tools |
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| 02:44.59 | sydney_untangle | simont: No. |
| 02:45.06 | sydney_untangle | somiaj: Just found it. |
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| 02:49.04 | sydney_untangle | simont: Have you? |
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| 02:50.29 | simont | sydney_untangle: I'm not sure what you're getting at. airmon-ng is part of aircrack-ng = problem solved |
| 02:51.42 | sydney_untangle | I figured that out just now. |
| 02:51.51 | sydney_untangle | simont: Have you used it before> |
| 02:51.54 | sydney_untangle | ? |
| 02:52.38 | simont | sydney_untangle: a couple years ago |
| 02:52.47 | sydney_untangle | Oh. |
| 02:52.52 | simont | what are you trying to do? |
| 02:53.09 | percY- | anyone having bad archive mirror when installing jessie? |
| 02:53.15 | simont | I imagine it hasn't changed too much |
| 02:53.26 | sydney_untangle | See how long it takes reaver to find my wifi password. |
| 02:53.40 | simont | percY-: have you tried a different mirror? |
| 02:53.53 | percY- | No I haven't |
| 02:54.05 | percY- | Only tried the US one |
| 02:54.23 | kalin00b | I prefer to use pyrit and gpu crack wireless passwords |
| 02:54.37 | somiaj | percY-: try http.debian.net |
| 02:54.39 | simont | sydney_untangle: do you not think your password is strong enough? |
| 02:55.52 | simont | if you want to see how hard it is to crack your password then you can skip the whole part of having to capture a bunch of packets and encrypt some file and try to crack it that way |
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| 03:01.57 | un214 | ok one more grub fix left |
| 03:02.05 | un214 | need to pass video=960x540 to kernel |
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| 03:04.46 | somiaj | un214: https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#idp1034608 Is that the issue you are having now? |
| 03:06.02 | un214 | that seems to be a dead anchor in a valid page |
| 03:06.04 | somiaj | Though that is old hardware, I'm more poiting out the GRUB_TERMINAL=console suggestion if you don't want to use the video mode. |
| 03:06.39 | un214 | it's not the same issue |
| 03:07.03 | un214 | the intel driver picks an unreadable default text scaling |
| 03:07.20 | un214 | so I need to pass a kernel command line to get a readable one |
| 03:07.31 | somiaj | yea I was more poting out the suggestion you could just use a console terminal. |
| 03:07.55 | un214 | yeah I already found and set that |
| 03:08.23 | un214 | that doesn't fix the fact that as soon as the video driver .ko file is loaded the text resolution is unreadably small |
| 03:10.01 | un214 | is GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=" ... what I need? |
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| 03:15.08 | sydney_untangle | simont: Im just being curious as to how it works. |
| 03:15.25 | sydney_untangle | Bah, my wifi network is to far away for it to work well. |
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| 03:16.16 | un214 | yup that looks like that was it |
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| 03:16.34 | somiaj | un214: another is nomodset (just disable kms from setting the video mode) |
| 03:16.43 | un214 | can't disable kms |
| 03:16.45 | un214 | need it for X |
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| 03:17.00 | somiaj | ahh, so you found a video setting that worked? Cheers! (: |
| 03:17.06 | un214 | yup |
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| 03:17.38 | un214 | I found that years ago. Just needed to get it copied into grub. |
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| 03:18.01 | un214 | one less piece of old legacy software |
| 03:18.17 | p1und3r | hello all.. im trying to get on stretch version.. i changed my sources.list to use stretch but no packages update after `apt-get update && apt-get upgrade` and lsb_release -a still says jessie even after reboot... any ideas? |
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| 03:19.22 | somiaj | p1und3r: the package that controls that will have to be put into sid and then filter into testing normally. Once things start filtering into stretch is could be very buggy for the next month or so. |
| 03:19.51 | un214 | I wonder how long it will take for the systemd folks to fix the fact they broke write from cron |
| 03:19.58 | p1und3r | somiaj: so testing and stable is identical right or something? |
| 03:20.04 | p1und3r | right now* |
| 03:20.38 | somiaj | p1und3r: I am unsure at what point they will start to change, (it might be starting already) but it will start to change really fast. |
| 03:21.12 | p1und3r | ok thanks :D |
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| 03:25.12 | Posterdati | hi |
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| 03:25.25 | Posterdati | was anyone able to make skype works on jessie? |
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| 03:31.17 | Agent_Isai | Hi, any idea why I CAN'T login as root on SSH and SFTP |
| 03:31.46 | Cpuroast | Agent_Isai: disabled root login by default |
| 03:31.47 | Cpuroast | :) |
| 03:32.10 | Agent_Isai | doesn't remember doing that when installing Debian |
| 03:32.25 | Cpuroast | it's enabled by default in deb 8 |
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| 03:32.41 | Agent_Isai | hmm |
| 03:33.06 | Cpuroast | look in sshd's config file |
| 03:33.12 | Agent_Isai | Ok |
| 03:33.13 | basil1x | Is there a Debian-friendly tablet? Let's assume I don't want to spend over £150 |
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| 03:34.09 | Cpuroast | Agent_Isai: you can still login as root, but only via private key login |
| 03:34.15 | somiaj | basil1x: I'd see what #debian-arm might have to say on irc.oftc.net (they may habe experience hat arm devices debian has been tested on) |
| 03:34.18 | Agent_Isai | eh |
| 03:34.33 | Cpuroast | Agent_Isai: it's only the passworded login which is disabled by default |
| 03:34.50 | Agent_Isai | Let me check |
| 03:34.59 | basil1x | Hmmm... Ta, somiaj |
| 03:34.59 | Agent_Isai | checks VNC |
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| 03:36.04 | Arahael | I'm after a proxying solution that is also capable of blocking images (unless you click on them), in order to conserve internet data limits. |
| 03:36.22 | Cpuroast | Agent_Isai: /etc/ssh/sshd_config PermitRootLogin |
| 03:36.30 | Agent_Isai | oh |
| 03:36.32 | Agent_Isai | Thanks |
| 03:36.32 | Arahael | Can anyone suggest a suitable program that can do this? (Including HTTPS would be awesome) |
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| 03:37.18 | Arahael | Provided that the https solution actually checks certificates properly, and blocks untrusted certs entirely. |
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| 03:39.12 | Agent_Isai | Cpuroast: what should PermitRootLogin be set to? For me it's set to "without-password |
| 03:39.13 | Arahael | Come to think of it, a firefox plugin is probably more appropriate. |
| 03:39.15 | N3X15 | Arahael, that's a client-side thing |
| 03:39.19 | N3X15 | yeah |
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| 03:39.59 | somiaj | Agent_Isai: man sshd_conf and see if you can figure it out. |
| 03:40.12 | Agent_Isai | breaks ssh |
| 03:40.20 | Cpuroast | Agent_Isai: As I said, it defaults to private-key only login |
| 03:40.24 | somiaj | Agent_Isai: sorry, sshd_config |
| 03:40.32 | Cpuroast | which is what "without-password" means |
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| 03:43.37 | Arahael | N3X15: So, blocking images was the easy part. Turns out that the javascript libraries are insane these days. |
| 03:43.46 | Cpuroast | Agent_Isai: but yah, always consult the man page, it usually has the answer to any question you have |
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| 03:45.37 | Arahael | noscript + ImageBlock is awesome. :) |
| 03:46.10 | Arahael | Probably gets me past some of the paywalls these days, even(!) |
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| 04:17.46 | dioz | grats on new debian |
| 04:17.51 | dioz | "new" |
| 04:17.58 | dioz | i like it |
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| 04:19.25 | Arahael | Yep - reminds me that I still need to learn how to use selinux properly. |
| 04:19.42 | Arahael | Lots of good stuff happening in Debian. :) |
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| 04:20.31 | basil1x | selinux... feh! |
| 04:20.50 | basil1x | grubs up my Ampache every time. |
| 04:21.18 | Arahael | I reckon that's Ampache's fault, then, over time packages will get more mature in how they handle it. |
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| 04:21.31 | cheapie | OK, so somehow, I managed to end up with apt upgrading some stuff on my server with no terminal controlling it. |
| 04:21.40 | cheapie | It's going to be waiting for quite some time at this rate... |
| 04:21.52 | Arahael | cheapie: No terminal? How'd you manage that? |
| 04:22.04 | Arahael | cheapie: Most of the utilities that let you do that at least redirect it. |
| 04:22.16 | cheapie | Arahael: Well, I was running it over SSH, and the box I was controlling it from went down. |
| 04:22.28 | cheapie | It's still running, somehow. I can see it in ps. |
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| 04:22.37 | cheapie | 28827 ? S 32:53 apt-get upgrade |
| 04:22.43 | Arahael | cheapie: Unless you used something like tmux, screen, or nohup, then it'll probably eventually die. |
| 04:23.10 | cheapie | I think debconf is probably asking for something, but I have no way of knowing... |
| 04:23.17 | Arahael | cheapie: Always use tmux (or screen) when using ssh. |
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| 04:23.52 | Arahael | finds screen somewhat simpler than tmux, but also more dated in functionality. |
| 04:24.37 | cheapie | I have some stuff running in screen, but this isn't. |
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| 04:25.00 | cheapie | I'm debating whether to just kill it and then clean up the mess. |
| 04:25.52 | Arahael | cheapie: I'd be reluctant to kill an upgrade, but I've not been in that situation. (A more experienced admin here shoudl be able to advise, though) |
| 04:25.59 | Arahael | is really a programmer. A windows programmer. |
| 04:26.29 | cheapie | I've cleaned up quite a few interrupted package operations before, and it's looking like that's going to be my only choice here. |
| 04:27.09 | Arahael | cheapie: An upgrade, or a dist upgrade, can be a pretty significant place to interrupt. |
| 04:27.22 | cheapie | ...well, I already did, and it's being cleaned up now. |
| 04:27.26 | cheapie | (it's generally not that hard) |
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| 04:27.50 | Arahael | Depends. ;) But yes, it can be simple enough to fix if you have physical access. |
| 04:28.18 | cheapie | I do have physical access to this box if something goes wrong. |
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| 04:28.42 | aswin | hello, i am running debian testing right now, installed it a few weeks ago when jessie was still testing, have not upgraded much packages since. Now that jessie is stable, can I replace the 'testing' label in sources.list to 'jessie' and make my system stable? |
| 04:29.00 | simont | sydney_untangle: yeah fair enough. good luck |
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| 04:29.13 | cheapie | aswin: Have you installed or upgraded anything since the release? |
| 04:29.25 | aswin | cheapie: libreoffice, some terminal tools |
| 04:29.45 | cheapie | aswin: You *may* run into problems, but if this is a non-critical box, it might be worth the risk. |
| 04:29.55 | Arahael | aswin: Did you do an apt-get update, or simply apt-get installs? |
| 04:30.09 | cheapie | (then again, I run sid on my non-critical boxes, but that's generally frowned upon even there) |
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| 04:31.57 | aswin | cheapie: lost connection, faulty internet :D |
| 04:31.58 | Arahael | cheapie: Why would running sid on non-critical boxes be frowned upon? ;) Just not supported. :) |
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| 04:32.23 | Arahael | aswin: tmux + irrsi. :) |
| 04:32.35 | cheapie | Arahael: Well, mainly my "daily driver" computer (shelley). |
| 04:32.35 | shay_shay | aswin you might be able to rescue it with pinning... you can force downgrades of those few packages you upgraded since yesterday |
| 04:33.09 | cheapie | shay_shay: The "Let aptitude figure it out" strategy usually works for me. |
| 04:33.34 | shay_shay | cheapie he has packages from stretch |
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| 04:33.47 | Arahael | shay_shay: He might not, though. |
| 04:33.58 | Arahael | shay_shay: It depends on if he's also done an apt-get update before doing an apt-get install, doesn't it? |
| 04:34.01 | cheapie | shay_shay: In my experience, aptitude generally seems to be able to figure out what and when to downgrade. |
| 04:34.28 | shay_shay | Arahael: I was just going off what he told us, and that was he has packages from stretch |
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| 04:34.57 | Arahael | shay_shay: Fair enough - I reckon what he's said is a bit ambigious. :) |
| 04:35.04 | cheapie | These sorts of things are why I like to specify release names in my sources.list, instead of stable/testing/unstable. |
| 04:35.17 | shay_shay | cheapie: so if you install a package from did aptitude will just randomly decide to downgrade it for you? |
| 04:35.35 | Arahael | cheapie: I agree. |
| 04:35.49 | cheapie | shay_shay: If it *absolutely needs to* downgrade something to do what you want, it'll ask if that's okay. |
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| 04:36.39 | shay_shay | but it may not come up for montha |
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| 04:36.45 | shay_shay | months* |
| 04:37.06 | shay_shay | with apt pinning he could fix it while its a baby monster |
| 04:37.29 | cheapie | My general strategy is if apt-get/synaptic/whatever complains of broken packages, then I try having aptitude do the same thing and see what it recommends. |
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| 04:38.06 | Arahael | I thought synaptic was a frontent to aptitude? |
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| 04:38.21 | cheapie | Arahael: It's a front-end to something, not sure what. |
| 04:38.49 | Arahael | :) |
| 04:39.10 | cheapie | It doesn't seem to be too smart, so probably not aptitude. |
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| 04:40.29 | GoatAvenger | Do older versions of debian continue to receive security updates? |
| 04:40.40 | themill | !lifespam |
| 04:40.43 | themill | !lifespan |
| 04:40.43 | dpkg | The security team tries to support a <stable> distribution for about one year after the next stable distribution has been released, except when another stable distribution is released within this year. For the <squeeze> release, there is a volunteer effort to extend security support to a total of five years; ask me about <squeeze-lts>. http://www.debian.org/security/faq#lifespan |
| 04:41.10 | shay_shay | themill we already have lifespam :) |
| 04:41.18 | GoatAvenger | heh, thnx |
| 04:41.39 | cheapie | Heh, I noticed the "oldoldstable"... I take it that has something to do with the squeeze-lts thing? |
| 04:41.45 | mircx1 | hello |
| 04:41.53 | themill | cheapie: yes |
| 04:42.03 | mircx1 | how i install vnc client to debian? |
| 04:42.17 | cheapie | mircx1: Depends. Which one do you want? |
| 04:43.07 | mircx1 | from windows |
| 04:43.19 | cheapie | Huh? |
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| 04:43.44 | mircx1 | ? |
| 04:44.10 | cheapie | I don't see what Windows has to do with this. |
| 04:44.27 | mircx1 | i have VNC SERVER |
| 04:44.36 | cheapie | Anyway, my personal preferred VNC client is Remmina, which is in the package named "remmina". |
| 04:44.40 | mircx1 | and i connect from him to other system |
| 04:44.42 | shay_shay | I recommend remmina for gtk2 (package remmina-plugin-vnc) or vinagre for gtk3 |
| 04:44.58 | cheapie | You can use your preferred package manager to install that, or "sudo apt-get install remmina" from a terminal. |
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| 04:45.28 | shay_shay | cheapie no its remmina-plugin-vnc |
| 04:45.45 | cheapie | shay_shay: Huh, I could have sworn that pulled it in... |
| 04:46.04 | cheapie | shay_shay: I just tried it, and it does. |
| 04:46.05 | mircx1 | thanks |
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| 04:46.47 | shay_shay | cheapie: oh yeah its in recommends... weird it didn't pull it in for me once |
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| 04:48.24 | shay_shay | shrugs |
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| 04:51.31 | cheapie | looks at his computer whining about "Gtk-Message: GtkDialog mapped without a transient parent. This is discouraged." |
| 04:51.45 | cheapie | Whining about stuff when it's working fine is discouraged too, you know... |
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| 04:53.36 | cheapie | Also, synaptic does strange things if you don't have /dev/pts mounted in your chroot. |
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| 04:56.11 | x86_64 | wait |
| 04:56.16 | x86_64 | wat the.... |
| 04:56.35 | x86_64 | Is jessie stable now? I came here a few days ago wheezy was the latest |
| 04:56.35 | cheapie | Hey, a wild CPU! |
| 04:56.42 | cheapie | (and yes, it is) |
| 04:56.53 | x86_64 | WTF, it's like i have timed travell :P |
| 04:57.05 | cheapie | The release was something like 2 days ago. |
| 04:57.11 | x86_64 | aha |
| 04:57.19 | cheapie | stretch is the new testing. |
| 04:57.23 | x86_64 | now i'll have to download the dvds again -.- |
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| 04:58.01 | cheapie | Heh, I remember back when I first found Debian... lenny was stable then. |
| 04:58.31 | cheapie | I didn't actually start using it until squeeze, though. |
| 04:59.25 | x86_64 | "After almost 24 months of constant development" i couldn't believe it's been 2 years though... |
| 04:59.35 | x86_64 | my perception of time has gone wild :p |
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| 05:00.05 | cheapie | Heh, speaking of time, I wonder what the uptime is on my server now... |
| 05:00.18 | cheapie | 71 days. |
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| 05:01.40 | shay_shay | cheapie use rbind instead of bind for dev |
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| 05:01.58 | ryouma | what do you do to get grub-install to install to a particular hard drive? can't you specify which hard drive to put the mbr on? |
| 05:02.08 | cheapie | shay_shay: I actually didn't do either of those (and yes, I already know how to fix it). |
| 05:02.19 | cheapie | ryouma: "grub-install /dev/<drive>" |
| 05:02.35 | shay_shay | i'm sorry I wasn't implying anything |
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| 05:03.35 | ryouma | cheapie: thanks! |
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| 05:04.27 | josePHPagoda | Hello everyone. I've run into quite an odd issue. when I run ls in a directory on my machine, I get the following ls: reading directory .: Invalid or incomplete multibyte or wide character |
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| 05:04.52 | josePHPagoda | oh, and congrats on the debian 8 release :) |
| 05:04.56 | cheapie | josePHPagoda: Sounds like you have some strangely-named files in there. |
| 05:04.58 | basil1x | josePHPagoda, which distro are you using? |
| 05:05.03 | josePHPagoda | this is on ubuntu |
| 05:05.07 | cheapie | !ubuntu |
| 05:05.07 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
| 05:05.12 | josePHPagoda | on an ext4 filesystem |
| 05:05.43 | josePHPagoda | would it help if I say I unplug the drive, plug it into a debian box and it behaves the same? |
| 05:05.46 | josePHPagoda | (it's an external drive) |
| 05:05.52 | cheapie | I suppose you could try. |
| 05:06.07 | cheapie | (also fsck it if you get the chance, something may have been corrupted) |
| 05:06.12 | josePHPagoda | seems like my fs somehow got thrashed and it's not an odd character in a name causing an issue, but something else |
| 05:06.17 | josePHPagoda | and it's being odd |
| 05:06.22 | josePHPagoda | how do I do a full fsck on the drive? |
| 05:06.30 | josePHPagoda | i unmounted and ran fsck and it said all was well |
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| 05:06.49 | cheapie | Try fsck -f /dev/<drive> |
| 05:07.00 | cheapie | (the -f means it'll check it even if it thinks it's probably fine) |
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| 05:09.25 | josePHPagoda | yeah |
| 05:09.27 | josePHPagoda | it's not finding anything |
| 05:09.32 | josePHPagoda | looksl ike i've just lost the folder :( |
| 05:09.50 | cheapie | Huh.... do GUI file managers have problems with it too? |
| 05:09.52 | josePHPagoda | well, the folder is there, taking up space, but I can't read it |
| 05:09.56 | josePHPagoda | yeah, they just show empty |
| 05:10.08 | cheapie | As in nothing in the folder ls fails on? |
| 05:10.13 | josePHPagoda | yes |
| 05:10.20 | josePHPagoda | probably because all underlying tools are failing |
| 05:10.25 | josePHPagoda | ls, dir, cp, etc |
| 05:10.25 | cheapie | Is there *supposed* to be anything there? |
| 05:10.28 | josePHPagoda | yes |
| 05:10.33 | josePHPagoda | about 500GB of my dvd collection |
| 05:10.41 | cheapie | ! |
| 05:10.46 | josePHPagoda | (i've been copying my dvds for use in a home theater system) |
| 05:10.58 | josePHPagoda | it was working a short while ago |
| 05:11.09 | josePHPagoda | I finished ripping some more of my disks, and then it started doing this |
| 05:12.26 | cheapie | Does "ls -l" list anything before failing? |
| 05:12.33 | josePHPagoda | no |
| 05:12.39 | cheapie | Huh. |
| 05:12.44 | josePHPagoda | yeah |
| 05:12.49 | josePHPagoda | i think my fs is thrashed |
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| 05:13.01 | cheapie | Yeah, something definitely seems to have gone wrong. |
| 05:13.07 | josePHPagoda | i mean, nothing is lost |
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| 05:13.19 | josePHPagoda | these are just copies of dvds that I own and such |
| 05:13.21 | cheapie | Have you tried running the command in uxterm (not xterm)? |
| 05:13.24 | josePHPagoda | so it's not a problem there, ust a lot of time |
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| 05:13.34 | josePHPagoda | i'm ssh'd into the box |
| 05:13.49 | cheapie | Huh. |
| 05:14.01 | josePHPagoda | so I'm just using the terminal there |
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| 05:15.43 | josePHPagoda | i appreciate you guys trying to help me out |
| 05:15.53 | josePHPagoda | this is just a good excuse for me to set up a proper storage cluster |
| 05:15.53 | cheapie | Well, you might be best off trying #ubuntu, or maybe coming back here in ~12 hours when it's more active. |
| 05:15.54 | josePHPagoda | :) |
| 05:16.19 | josePHPagoda | and congrats on the new release, I look forward to upgrading |
| 05:16.31 | josePHPagoda | take care all! |
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| 05:53.31 | PETSounds | Hi. i currently experiencing high cpu usage (90%) after suspend. what's causing this problem? thanks. |
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| 05:57.20 | heurist | PETSounds: what do top, htop, or atop tell you about which process is using the CPU? |
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| 06:07.37 | PETSounds | heurist: htop shows X that causing the cpu spike. Is there a way to deal with this issue? comp becomes sluggish. http://i.imgur.com/tunufUd.png http://i.imgur.com/cpjxmhx.png |
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| 06:07.38 | nkuttler | PETSounds: use something more lightweight than kde? |
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| 06:09.14 | PETSounds | nkuttler: the cpu spike only occur after waking up from suspend, if i dont suspend/sleep it is OK. |
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| 06:16.02 | PETSounds | nkuttler: the laptop was less than two years old, should be fine running any DE i guess. |
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| 06:16.03 | pepee | I've had that bug.., I thing. I don't remember how I solved it, or if it was solved after an update |
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| 06:23.58 | PETSounds | pepee: the bug seems to appeared in wheezy and curently jessie which i am using now. squeeze afaik is ok. already browse BTS and forums in hoping to get better explanation but literally no luck. |
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| 07:28.07 | [Leeloo] | Hi |
| 07:28.20 | fn | good morning |
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| 07:44.08 | inch | Is there a command that would download the netboot kernel and initrd and then check validity of the files by comparing the sha sums and check the gpg signature of the sha sum files? |
| 07:44.45 | inch | I could write that kind of script myself, but I was hoping that such a script would be packaged in Debian already. |
| 07:44.54 | xar- | so what's the verdict on jessie? :) |
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| 07:45.32 | babilen | xar-: Clearly: "awesome!" :) |
| 07:46.35 | xar- | im terrified of systemd, no training on it :( |
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| 07:46.40 | xar- | im grabbing the netinstaller now |
| 07:47.16 | babilen | xar-: You might want to read http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/systemd-for-admins-1.html (and the rest in the series) to familiarise yourself with it |
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| 07:49.33 | xar- | thanks |
| 07:50.13 | xar- | someone else posted a document like that for newbies, but I forgot to bookmark it :( |
| 07:50.17 | xar- | (yesterday) |
| 07:50.50 | fn | xar-: history? |
| 07:51.37 | xar- | my buffer doesn't go back that far unfortunately :( |
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| 07:54.15 | jasabella | um, where is the rescue live iso? :) |
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| 07:55.00 | xar- | I wonder if it's my irssi limiting it, or znc |
| 07:55.19 | fn | xar-: do you know how the link ends? |
| 07:55.24 | fn | so I maybe grep it |
| 07:56.02 | xar- | sorry, no lol |
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| 08:02.00 | waqstar | Just checking out the changes in jessie. What is this? Xen Hypervisor 4.4.1 |
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| 08:03.29 | Sbroker` | Greetings, Jessie avaliable Debian Jessie !!! |
| 08:04.00 | fn | xar-: http://i.imgur.com/4sBWBc1.png |
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| 08:06.37 | xar- | I like the theme, yea it was something from yesterday, from a different user, thanks for checking though :) |
| 08:07.25 | Sbroker` | waqstar: http://www.xenproject.org/downloads/xen-archives/xen-44-series/xen-441.html |
| 08:08.00 | jensp | hey, I just upgraded to jessie and everything worked fine, except for syslog-ng. I want to use systemd, but run syslog-ng for forwarding to a loghost. However systemd fails to start the service. Running syslog-ng -F manually works fine. Any ideas? |
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| 08:10.09 | waqstar | Sbroker`: cheers. got a little confused there. too early in th emornoing |
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| 08:10.34 | deepblue | i installed adobe flash player but firefox says it's not installed.what could be wrong? |
| 08:10.53 | fn | deepblue: flash player. :/ |
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| 08:11.28 | waqstar | deepblue: have you tried pipelight? I played around with it that other day and love it |
| 08:12.04 | deepblue | waqstar: i'd love to have it |
| 08:12.32 | deepblue | i tried gnash but it's worthless |
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| 08:13.22 | waqstar | deepblue: If youre still on wheezy: wget http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/DarkPlayer:/Pipelight/Debian_7.0/Release.key |
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| 08:13.40 | deepblue | ok |
| 08:13.42 | waqstar | remember dpkg --add-architecture i386 |
| 08:13.54 | waqstar | if yure not on that already |
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| 08:13.59 | waqstar | :P |
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| 08:14.23 | deepblue | waqstar: will it eork with youtube videos? |
| 08:14.29 | deepblue | work* |
| 08:14.36 | waqstar | I needed it for Sky Go (brits will understand). and silverlight works perfectly |
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| 08:15.00 | waqstar | deepblue: has flash player yes. but isnt html5 used in youtube now? |
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| 08:15.37 | deepblue | httml5 doesn't support most videos |
| 08:15.39 | waqstar | https://www.youtube.com/html5?gl=GB |
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| 08:17.06 | deepblue | waqstar: thanx a lot |
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| 08:17.22 | waqstar | np |
| 08:17.25 | waqstar | good luck |
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| 08:24.36 | julius_ | hi |
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| 08:25.15 | julius_ | installing colord under testing failed, complete output: http://pastebin.ca/2983658 at the end i can see: chown: invalid group: colord:colord could this be the reason? |
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| 08:31.16 | ZenWalker | hi |
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| 08:31.56 | ZenWalker | If I have systemd on jessie, why I have pdi 1 with init ? the name is right? |
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| 08:34.54 | yossarianuk | hi - can someone clarify what version of KDE comes with Jessie ? |
| 08:35.25 | yossarianuk | i.e is it kde 4.14.0 or is it 4.14.0 + patches from 4.14.3 ? |
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| 08:37.18 | waqstar | yossarianuk: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/debian-live-8.0.0-amd64-kde-desktop.iso.log |
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| 08:40.05 | yossarianuk | waqstar: - so 4.14.2 ? |
| 08:40.20 | peterrooney | ,v kde4 |
| 08:40.22 | judd | No package named 'kde4' was found in amd64. |
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| 08:42.49 | zipy | hi, does someone know how to configure the bottom panel on gnome classic, it doesnt show the open applications anymore |
| 08:43.01 | peterrooney | ,v libkdecore5 |
| 08:43.02 | judd | Package: libkdecore5 on amd64 -- squeeze: 4:4.4.5-2+squeeze3; squeeze-security-lts: 4:4.4.5-2+squeeze4; wheezy: 4:4.8.4-4+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 4:4.8.4-4+deb7u1; stretch: 4:4.14.2-5; jessie: 4:4.14.2-5; sid: 4:4.14.2-5; experimental: 4:4.14.6-1 |
| 08:43.13 | zipy | im still on wheezy |
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| 08:44.14 | bezaban | ,v i3 |
| 08:44.15 | judd | Package: i3 on amd64 -- squeeze: 3.e-bf1-2; squeeze-backports: 4.2-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 4.2-2; wheezy-backports: 4.8-1~bpo70+1; sid: 4.8-2; jessie: 4.8-2; stretch: 4.8-2; experimental: 4.10.2-1 |
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| 08:44.24 | yossarianuk | cheers1 |
| 08:44.50 | yossarianuk | I assume the next debian (stretch) will have plasma 5? |
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| 08:49.33 | yossarianuk | ,v linux-image |
| 08:49.34 | judd | No package named 'linux-image' was found in amd64. |
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| 08:49.44 | judd | No package named 'linux' was found in amd64. |
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| 08:50.09 | yossarianuk | ,v linux-image-amd64 |
| 08:50.10 | judd | Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.6.32+29; squeeze-backports: 3.2+46~bpo60+1; wheezy: 3.2+46; wheezy-backports: 3.16+63~bpo70+1; sid: 3.16+63; jessie: 3.16+63; stretch: 3.16+63 |
| 08:50.29 | yossarianuk | (only just discovered this feature !) |
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| 08:52.43 | GunnerWolf | Welp, time to update to jessie.. |
| 08:52.43 | jelly | bezaban, yossarianuk: use it in private as "/msg judd version ..." |
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| 08:53.40 | xeirrr | Hi, guys. Jessie has been released, but why packages in SID are still old enough? |
| 08:54.03 | Slashman | xeirrr: give it time, it'll change |
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| 08:54.43 | xeirrr | Slashman: ok |
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| 08:56.19 | fircf48c1c9 | eh, can anyone program in mitshm? |
| 08:56.49 | fircf48c1c9 | i'm trying to figure out how to get lxdoom to compile (the original 1998 GPL'd doom source code) and it doesn't work without x.org being set to 8-bit color mode. |
| 08:56.57 | fircf48c1c9 | i'm using wheezy. |
| 08:57.14 | fircf48c1c9 | of course I cannot set my x.org to 8-bit color mode, my drivers only work in 24 bit mode. |
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| 08:59.07 | yossarianuk | jesssie seems more up to date than usual - good for desktops! Someone choosing between Ubuntu LTS and Debian Jessie will have newer package in Debian Jessie... And support is for longer (debian till 2020). |
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| 09:01.32 | Savemech | why does this string changed PermitRootLogin without-password ? for what reason? this just makes a lot of troubles |
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| 09:02.28 | jelly | Savemech: it's the new default by openssh people. The package should have explicitely asked you to confirm this change at upgrade time. |
| 09:03.36 | jelly | Savemech: it's a saner default for public machines than allowing bruteforcing. |
| 09:03.38 | Savemech | jelly, i just did new fresh isntall, and figure out why my ansible provisioning did not work. now i need make preseed image, or make another workaround, cause someone cant manage his own server sshd params. making few thins happy did not make another |
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| 09:04.05 | Savemech | jelly, then why not preinstall fail2ban or aide? |
| 09:04.09 | jelly | Savemech: it's a default, change it if you need to |
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| 09:04.55 | Savemech | jelly, yes i see this is default, and i kinda did not like it. cause its just pain for me to make workaround |
| 09:05.30 | jelly | you're better qualified to make changes to your systems than most clueless users that are going to benefit from that default. |
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| 09:09.38 | jelly | Savemech: mind you this change is documented in jessie release notes. Debian is aware this is an incompatible change. Read them if you haven't already, there are other important changes. https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#openssh |
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| 09:10.50 | Savemech | jelly, there is a way to vote for this or somehow change this change? its people aware i hear :D so i'm is one of who likes debian and love it; and there comes this change wich makes me really sad |
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| 09:11.36 | Savemech | "change this change" my head full of %$#! |
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| 09:13.46 | shay_shay | Savemech: yo |
| 09:13.49 | debian_samba | Hi. could anyone help me guess why my jessie can't connect to a windows share? |
| 09:13.57 | Savemech | shay_shay, hi traitor |
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| 09:14.24 | debian_samba | (this share is available to other windows on the same network) |
| 09:19.00 | deepblue | is anything wrong here: http://paste.debian.net/169277/ ? |
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| 09:19.00 | debian_samba | deepblue: probably propietary missing for your ethernet is missing |
| 09:19.00 | deepblue | debian_samba: so how to get ie? |
| 09:19.00 | debian_samba | if your network seems to work, i wouldn't mind. otherwise i'll look for propietary drivers for your realtek card |
| 09:19.00 | deepblue | but i never needed thid before |
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| 09:19.00 | debian_samba | already told you: if you are interested in solving that warnings, download the drivers for your net card |
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| 09:19.00 | jelly | Savemech: not that I know of. And frankly I don't see why you want to push a change from the defaults that openssh authors have agreed upon, and that makes a bit more work in your very specific setting. |
| 09:19.00 | debian_samba | Could anyone help me guess why my jessie can't connect to a windows share (using nautilus)? |
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| 09:19.58 | skydog | I have a fresh powerpc debian install and its freezing at the GDM screen, just giving me a sad face and forces me to reboot. can I prevent x from trying to start automatically so I can enter some commands? |
| 09:20.07 | yei | hola |
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| 09:21.21 | jelly | Savemech: basically, you need to realize this change is beneficial for other users, and especially users that are less clueful, and less likely to change it. This is what makes it a good default. |
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| 09:22.14 | skydog | nvm, I just got into tty1, sorry |
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| 09:26.27 | Savemech | jelly, yes, and my provisioning script (was already has 4 workarounds for{centos,rhel,ubuntu,debian} now, will be separated, just for jessie, cause this PermitRootLogin without-password exist only in ubuntu 15.+ and now jessie+); nothing special, "yet another provisioning script" |
| 09:26.27 | debian_samba | Could anyone help me guess why my jessie can't connect to a windows share (using nautilus)? |
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| 09:26.27 | tremon | debian_samba: the windows share is a dfs share and you haven't installed cifs-utils? |
| 09:26.27 | debian_samba | tremon: cifs-utils already installed |
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| 09:27.37 | tremon | ok, then I'm out of guesses. Maybe you can try mounting it on the command line or use smbclient, or tell us the error nautilus is giving (if any) |
| 09:27.47 | debian_samba | tremon: even a smbclient -L works |
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| 09:28.40 | debian_samba | in jessie, on connect to server dialog, when i type smb://ip complaint "type of file server not supprted" |
| 09:28.47 | tremon | oh hum, so it's only gvfs that fails, but other tools can mount it just fine? |
| 09:28.47 | deepblue | how to install the Cloister Black Font on kde DE? |
| 09:28.49 | debian_samba | or something similar |
| 09:29.16 | debian_samba | haven't tries on terminal...i guess it will work |
| 09:30.47 | debian_samba | if fact, seems its: "This file server type is not recognized." |
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| 09:31.51 | tremon | debian_samba: looks like the gvfs plugin for smb is not installed |
| 09:36.07 | debian_samba | pkg name? |
| 09:36.07 | tremon | it should be in gvfs-backends |
| 09:36.07 | debian_samba | thx. brb |
| 09:36.07 | debian_samba | ...reboot needed? |
| 09:36.07 | tremon | not sure, I'd hope not. Just try it, if it doesn't work, reboot and try again |
| 09:36.07 | debian_samba | ok tremon. as it doesn't work, going to reboot. Thx. |
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| 09:45.53 | lophos_ | I have updated successfully two servers to jessie. I want to migrate from MySQL to MariaDB. Please, could you confirm if the process is deinstall MySQL, install MariaDB, run mysql_upgrade and it should work ? |
| 09:45.53 | lophos_ | should I deinstall all mysql packages? |
| 09:45.53 | lophos_ | excpt php5-mysql ? |
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| 09:54.28 | debian_samba | tremon: worked perfectly after rebooting |
| 09:54.28 | debian_samba | thanks a lot |
| 09:54.28 | debian_samba | bye! |
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| 09:54.29 | tremon | has gained a level |
| 09:54.29 | bolt | has gained a breakfast |
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| 10:00.21 | aswin | hi, I installed debian testing a few weeks ago, when jessie was testing. now that jessie is stable, can i change the text in sources.list such that it is stable instead of testing? i have not upgraded any software since installation |
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| 10:00.45 | nyuszika7h | aswin: I would recommend changing to "jessie" instead |
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| 10:02.01 | riot | ohai. where's the debian installer bugtracker? |
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| 10:02.34 | nyuszika7h | riot: try 'reportbug debian-installer' |
| 10:03.18 | riot | thx |
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| 10:07.25 | Engys | Hi, what is the best way to use GMT instead of UTC for cron jobs under Debian? |
| 10:07.53 | Phil-Work | Engys, GMT is the same as UTC :S |
| 10:08.22 | Engys | Phil-Work, oh really? xP |
| 10:08.31 | Phil-Work | yes |
| 10:09.13 | Phil-Work | are you looking to track DST changes (i.e. GMT or BST depending on time of year)? |
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| 10:12.40 | Engys | Current default time zone: 'Europe/Berlin' -> Local time is now: Mon Apr 27 12:11:32 CEST 2015. and Universal Time is now: Mon Apr 27 10:11:32 UTC 2015. |
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| 10:13.03 | Phil-Work | that looks about right - what's the issue? |
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| 10:13.50 | Engys | My cron jobs using universal time but I need to get it @ local time |
| 10:15.03 | Phil-Work | do you see a TZ definition in /etc/default/cron? |
| 10:15.16 | Engys | no |
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| 10:15.55 | Phil-Work | when did you set your system timezone? |
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| 10:18.03 | Engys | manually, yesterday with dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 10:18.18 | Phil-Work | ok, you need to restart cron |
| 10:18.26 | Engys | yep but it does not help |
| 10:18.27 | Phil-Work | sudo service cron restart |
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| 10:19.09 | Engys | have already done this, but it does not help |
| 10:19.48 | Phil-Work | check `ps aux | grep cron` - what is the start time of cron? |
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| 10:20.07 | superrorc | hi there! |
| 10:20.24 | superrorc | just intalled new release Jessie |
| 10:20.54 | superrorc | someone can show me /etc/apt/sourses.list |
| 10:20.55 | superrorc | ? |
| 10:21.09 | Engys | Phil-Work: Apr26 |
| 10:21.24 | SynrGy | !jessie sources.list |
| 10:21.24 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
| 10:21.26 | Phil-Work | Engys, that's after you did the dpkg-reconfigure? |
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| 10:21.40 | Engys | Phil-Work, looks like |
| 10:21.54 | superrorc | SynrGy: thanks! |
| 10:21.58 | SynrGy | np |
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| 10:22.37 | Phil-Work | Engys, not sure then - it should be using local time providing it was restarted after the change to local time |
| 10:22.51 | Phil-Work | so it should be running at UTC+2 |
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| 10:24.33 | Engys | Phil-Work, you know I would set TC in /etc/default/cron if I know how and if it helps because -> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=166533 |
| 10:24.35 | rozie | hi. just upgraded my desktop to jessie. I noticed strange problem: it's not responsible. I especially see it when playing sound on chromium and using system. sound freezes for a short period of time. mouse cursor too |
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| 10:25.21 | rozie | switched to 4.0 kernel from experimental, but issue is still present |
| 10:25.24 | Phil-Work | Engys, looks old and irrelevant but it's worth a try if it's definately not working for you |
| 10:25.41 | rozie | I use unstable on the other desktop machine and haven't notice such a problem |
| 10:25.46 | rozie | any ideas what to check? |
| 10:26.47 | nyuszika7h | check the output of 'journalctl -n 100' or so? |
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| 10:29.53 | superfast | does Debian polish the kernel and patch it too well? |
| 10:30.14 | rozie | superfast: yes |
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| 10:30.52 | superfast | rozie, Because in comparison with Trisquel 7, only with Main Repo it runs well on Intel Graphics |
| 10:31.00 | Engys | Phil-Work, so editing /etc/default/cron and adding TC=GMT should do it? |
| 10:31.10 | superfast | This is the first fully free kernel that runs too well for me |
| 10:31.11 | nyuszika7h | it's TZ, not TC |
| 10:31.23 | Engys | ups |
| 10:31.29 | maziar | how can i solve " The filesystem is already 248832 (1k) blocks long. Nothing to do!" |
| 10:31.36 | Phil-Work | Engys, no - that'll lock it to GMT which is the same as UTC |
| 10:32.02 | Phil-Work | you want "Europe/London" if you want UK time or "Europe/Berlin" if you want German time |
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| 10:33.15 | Engys | Phil-Work, ah ok so TZ="Europe/Berlin" should do it. |
| 10:33.31 | Phil-Work | might do, yeh |
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| 10:34.29 | Lope | why does debian claim to support sysvinit when libvirt-bin requires systemd? |
| 10:34.40 | Lope | I can't even run a VM on my server without systemd? |
| 10:34.56 | MY123 | Lope, use qemu-kvm or Xen |
| 10:35.04 | Lope | If systemd is so great why does it have to be forced on everybody so violently? |
| 10:35.21 | Lope | surely people would choose to use systemd if linux was really about freedom? |
| 10:35.25 | Phil-Work | lol |
| 10:35.32 | MY123 | Lope, it is nasty code |
| 10:35.42 | Lope | libvirt-bin is required to start a KVM VM. |
| 10:35.50 | MY123 | Lope, you can use uselessd, that sucks less |
| 10:36.15 | Lope | well right now I need to install libvirt-bin, and that requires systemd. Any solution for that? |
| 10:36.39 | MY123 | Lope, uselessd implements systemd |
| 10:36.54 | Lope | but apt-get requires the package named systemd? |
| 10:36.58 | MY123 | but it implements just the minimum and is much cleaner code |
| 10:37.20 | Engys | Phil-Work, nyuszika7h, thanks for your advice! |
| 10:37.32 | nyuszika7h | speaking of systemd |
| 10:37.35 | MY123 | Lope, uselessd overrides systemd :-) |
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| 10:37.41 | ohithere | Lope: if systemd doesn't work for you I suspect the solution for you would be not to use debian. |
| 10:37.54 | MY123 | Lope, http://uselessd.darknedgy.net/ |
| 10:38.02 | nyuszika7h | I like it when it works.. but I'm *not* upgrading my primary server to jessie just yet, because of systemd. even though nothing *really* important runs there, I want it to able. |
| 10:38.04 | nyuszika7h | *stable |
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| 10:38.36 | maziar | resize2fs 1.42.12 (29-Aug-2014) |
| 10:38.37 | maziar | The filesystem is already 25626624 (4k) blocks long. Nothing to do! |
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| 10:40.40 | Lope | nyuszika7h: #debianfork www.devuan.org |
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| 10:47.11 | cpm__ | https://www.debian.org/News/2015/20150426 \o/ congratulations to all!!! \o/ |
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| 10:49.45 | Lope | I don't get the sense that uselessd is production ready |
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| 10:50.04 | Lope | ohithere: any decent alternatives? |
| 10:50.27 | Engys | Lope, yeah why not name it Librian ... man no idea why they hate Lennart so hard for pulse and initd |
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| 10:51.00 | Engys | öhh systemd |
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| 10:54.02 | nse | nse: |
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| 11:13.48 | Posterdati | hi |
| 11:14.03 | Posterdati | is anyone able to make skype works on jessie? (amd64) |
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| 11:15.17 | jelly | Posterdati: wfm on i386 jessie |
| 11:15.25 | Posterdati | jelly? |
| 11:15.42 | Posterdati | jelly: I've got i386 arch too |
| 11:15.55 | jelly | "works for me" on an i386 installation |
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| 11:16.10 | rozie | Posterdati: yes, it works. just works |
| 11:16.19 | Posterdati | skype: /lib/i386-linux-gnu/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.15' not found (required by /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libaudio.so.2) |
| 11:16.26 | rozie | ii skype 4.3.0.37-1 i386 Wherever you are, wherever they are |
| 11:16.35 | rozie | (and works, amd64) |
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| 11:16.42 | Posterdati | same version here |
| 11:16.50 | jelly | Posterdati: what does dpkg -S $(readlink -f /lib/i386-linux-gnu/i686/cmov/libc.so.6) say |
| 11:17.14 | Posterdati | no path found matching pattern /lib/i386-linux-gnu/i686/cmov/libc-2.13.so |
| 11:17.32 | jelly | Posterdati: then you have a rogue copy of gnu libc there. |
| 11:17.37 | rozie | anyway, I added support for mulitarch i386 + wajig install skype-debian_4.3.0.37-1_i386.deb |
| 11:17.45 | rozie | and it installed everything |
| 11:17.51 | Kamilion | yay, another wajig user. <3 |
| 11:18.07 | rozie | /lib/i386-linux-gnu/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 - no such file |
| 11:18.16 | rozie | but skype works |
| 11:18.35 | rozie | Kamilion: wajig is great tool. I know it's just apt/dpkg frontend but very nice |
| 11:19.26 | Kamilion | one of my favorites -- wish it could do some of the fancy pretty things like 'apt' can now, like the progress bar. |
| 11:19.50 | jelly | Posterdati: ls -ld /lib/i386-linux-gnu/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 $(readlink -f /lib/i386-linux-gnu/i686/cmov/libc.so.6) |
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| 11:19.54 | Kamilion | but nothing beats the fact that wajig asks for sudo when needed. just that little touch. <3 |
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| 11:20.22 | Posterdati | jelly: two files! |
| 11:20.31 | jelly | Posterdati: yes show the output please |
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| 11:20.38 | Posterdati | here? |
| 11:20.41 | jelly | yes. |
| 11:20.49 | Posterdati | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1437864 Dec 30 2012 /lib/i386-linux-gnu/i686/cmov/libc-2.13.so lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 Dec 30 2012 /lib/i386-linux-gnu/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 -> libc-2.13.so |
| 11:21.13 | jelly | judd: file lib/i386-linux-gnu/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 --arch i386 |
| 11:21.17 | judd | Search for lib/i386-linux-gnu/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 in jessie/i386: libc6-i686: lib/i386-linux-gnu/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 |
| 11:21.19 | Jeeves_Moss | can anyone reccomend a good "howto" to build up a spamaassasian MTA? |
| 11:21.36 | jelly | Posterdati: install libc6-i686:i386 and it should overwrite the old copy |
| 11:21.49 | Posterdati | jelly: ok |
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| 11:22.12 | themill | unless the preinst detects the non-packaged copy and bails out |
| 11:22.20 | jelly | /o\ |
| 11:22.24 | Posterdati | Install these packages without verification? [y/N] |
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| 11:23.09 | jelly | Posterdati: something else is broken, then. Say n, do an "apt-get update" |
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| 11:23.29 | Posterdati | ok |
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| 11:24.25 | Posterdati | it hangs |
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| 11:24.59 | thyphus_ | is it possible to upgrade squeeze to jessie without upgrading to wheezy in the first step? |
| 11:25.05 | jelly | thyphus_: no |
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| 11:25.12 | thyphus_ | jelly: okay. thanks |
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| 11:26.26 | jelly | thyphus_: packages and procedures are made in such a way that there are special provisions to make going from debian 6 to 7 work well, and then some of those provisions are removed and absent from debian 8. |
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| 11:27.04 | nyuszika7h | Lope: I'm aware |
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| 11:27.21 | nyuszika7h | I'd rather not mess with my working system right now |
| 11:27.26 | jelly | Posterdati: did it continue aafter a while? |
| 11:27.33 | Posterdati | ni |
| 11:27.35 | Posterdati | no |
| 11:27.44 | Posterdati | I changed to de repository |
| 11:27.50 | Posterdati | installed |
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| 11:28.42 | jelly | Posterdati: does skype still complain? |
| 11:28.53 | Posterdati | jelly: thanks! Skype comes to life again! |
| 11:28.57 | Posterdati | jelly thanks |
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| 11:29.21 | Rory | Could I just clarify that the instructions to create a USB flash drive for installation are correct: cp /debian.iso /dev/sdX |
| 11:29.33 | Posterdati | now I have to remove the pulseaudio/skype phone muting |
| 11:29.35 | Rory | That's not a pattern I've seen before when creating bootable media to install Linux |
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| 11:30.10 | jelly | Rory: cp automatically chooses the optimal block size, no need for dd |
| 11:30.13 | Brigo | Rory, they are correct. |
| 11:30.19 | sonOfRa | Shortly after a release like this, is testing in the same state as stable, or does "everything" get moved from unstable to testing on a release? |
| 11:30.19 | Rory | cp: cannot create regular file â/dev/sdbâ: No medium found |
| 11:30.26 | Virtacc | ... |
| 11:30.42 | Brigo | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:30.46 | jelly | Rory: perhaps your usb stick is not at sdb |
| 11:30.52 | Brigo | you need the device of your usb stick |
| 11:31.00 | themill | sonOfRa: jessie and stretch are identical at the moment |
| 11:31.09 | sonOfRa | themill: thanks for the clarification |
| 11:31.12 | Rory | jelly: It is at sdb I checked only drives are sba and sdb |
| 11:31.34 | jelly | Rory: what does "blockdev --getsize64 /dev/sdb" say? |
| 11:31.41 | Posterdati | debian people did a great job |
| 11:31.46 | Posterdati | thanks |
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| 11:32.24 | Rory | Hmm I had to remove and re-insert it, and then I got a root password prompt |
| 11:32.34 | Rory | ...oh |
| 11:32.34 | themill | sonOfRa: if previous releases are enything to go by, they will differ by about 20% of source packages by the end of the week |
| 11:32.42 | Rory | It would help if I weren't running these commands on my server! |
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| 11:34.56 | jelly | Rory: if you overwrite the disks on your server, you get to restore from backups on your own! |
| 11:35.38 | Rory | Well luckily there's no sdb on my server |
| 11:35.50 | Rory | I should make sudo make you type the hostname as well as the password... |
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| 11:36.46 | jelly | Rory: put a hostname in your PS1 when you're dealing with multiple machines |
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| 11:43.49 | greenit | hi, as Debian 8 just released, and in the release-info / install-info "apt-get" was recommended over "aptitude", i'd like to know which one i should stay with? I use "aptitude" right now, except for some dependency-problems as "apt-get" is sometimes better in this things, but i have no problem if it's better to use "apt-get" for everything instead |
| 11:43.49 | greenit | of "aptitude". i just want to know on which one i should focus more :) |
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| 11:49.49 | Catwich | greetings; I come here seeking advice with a packaging problem related to dh_shlibdeps |
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| 11:51.07 | Catwich | I would like to use dh_shlibdeps to generate proper dependency information for my package, but it depends on a library that is not in debian (no, I dont want to package it) |
| 11:51.19 | Catwich | so dpkg-shlibdeps fatally fails and will not continue |
| 11:51.33 | jelly | greenit: it's recommended for the release upgrade process. This is not related to your daily usage. |
| 11:51.34 | Catwich | now I'd like to just ignore missing dependencies |
| 11:51.38 | macrobat | aptitude is not for upgrading to a new release, IIRC |
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| 11:51.57 | greenit | Catwich: which library is it depending on? |
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| 11:52.08 | Catwich | libdirectfb-1.7.so.4 |
| 11:52.21 | greenit | jelly: ok. however, would you recommend apt-get or aptitude for daily use? |
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| 11:53.06 | jelly | greenit: your stated workflow seems sane. |
| 11:53.11 | Catwich | I am packaging binary blobs gpu drivers, and there is a blob for that version of directfb; so I'd really like a package of it even if I dont have that version of directfb yet |
| 11:54.13 | greenit | jelly: ok, thanks. then i'll stay with how i use them. :) |
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| 11:57.04 | Catwich | I could probably create a dummy library that has the right soname but is actually empty |
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| 12:02.29 | Catwich | and shlibs.local can point to the right package name |
| 12:03.09 | hide | Hello. Has anyone already upgraded their systems from Wheezy to Jessie? Any issues faced? Especially on systems with non-distro/custom kernels |
| 12:03.52 | bezaban | hide: https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html (that's for amd64) |
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| 12:04.50 | bezaban | I also read a list of jessie specific stuff, let me see if I can find that. |
| 12:04.57 | jelly | hide: the release notes list a couple kernel features required if you're switching to systemd |
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| 12:05.43 | bezaban | oh yes, section 5 of that document |
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| 12:07.10 | hide | Yeah, already seen those |
| 12:07.21 | hide | In addition to that, new version of udev requires even a few more |
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| 12:07.44 | hide | this release seems to be a pain. The further, the more similar to Windows Linux is getting :( |
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| 12:08.22 | jelly | do you want some cheese with that whine? |
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| 12:12.19 | hide | doh.. |
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| 12:13.15 | Rory | When I'm in the installer and it's asking me to choose a desktop what is "debian desktop environment" and am I required to select a DE from the list? |
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| 12:14.31 | Rory | I went with the default and it appears to be installing a lot of gnome packages even though I didn't select gnome |
| 12:14.37 | anddam | Rory: can you rephrase? I'm missing the point of your sentence |
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| 12:15.04 | Posterdati | jelly: on the laptop I use a wireless mouse via an usb dongle (logitech mouse) and I experienced lags in battery mode... It was with wheezy and now with jessy, how can I fix this? |
| 12:15.36 | Rory | When you go through the installer, you're required to select packages for installation. There is an entry for "debian desktop environment" which is checked by default, followed by the usual gnome, kde, mate etc which are all de selected. |
| 12:15.54 | Rory | This is at the same point you choose to install ssh server, Web server etc |
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| 12:17.15 | rozie | Posterdati: try to disable power saving for this device |
| 12:17.17 | Rory | I'll just see what this gives me, this is work's time anyway... |
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| 12:17.20 | rozie | (powertop) |
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| 12:18.06 | rozie | and returning to my problem with responsibility after upgrade: kernel does not change this behaviour. tried 3.2, 3.16 and 4.0 |
| 12:18.10 | anddam | Rory: you're possibly describing tasksel |
| 12:18.20 | Rory | Yes that's correct |
| 12:18.23 | anddam | Rory: google it and see if the screenshots are the same |
| 12:18.36 | anddam | Rory: I cannot see your desktop and you didn't say what kind of installer you're running |
| 12:18.49 | Rory | The graphics installer from the dvd |
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| 12:19.01 | anddam | ok, I never saw the graphic installer |
| 12:19.14 | Posterdati | rozie: how |
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| 12:19.17 | anddam | but I assume it mimics the curses interface |
| 12:19.24 | Rory | It does |
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| 12:19.36 | anddam | Rory: so far so good |
| 12:19.45 | Rory | I am just going to wait and see what the default gives me |
| 12:19.54 | anddam | the default will likely give you GNOME |
| 12:19.56 | Rory | I assume gnome, although I didn't check gnome |
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| 12:20.06 | anddam | was there an option for GNOME at all? |
| 12:20.09 | Rory | Yes |
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| 12:20.13 | anddam | was it selected? |
| 12:20.15 | Rory | Hence my confusion and asking here |
| 12:20.16 | Rory | No |
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| 12:21.01 | anddam | like this http://debian-handbook.info/browse/wheezy/images/inst-tasksel.png ? |
| 12:21.26 | Rory | Sort of although that looks to be from an older version |
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| 12:21.53 | Rory | In addition to the entries in that screenshot there were "kde", "gnome "," xfxe "etc |
| 12:22.21 | anddam | and did you uncheck "Debian desktop environment"? |
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| 12:22.38 | Rory | No |
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| 12:22.49 | Rory | I am asking what that is |
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| 12:23.09 | anddam | it's the DE for the version you choosed, the default disk has GNOME |
| 12:23.26 | anddam | there are also KDE, LXDE and XFCE flavors |
| 12:23.35 | anddam | you'll end with GNOME |
| 12:23.35 | Rory | OK that makes sense. So what would have happened had I selected "gnome" from the list? |
| 12:23.41 | anddam | I have no idea |
| 12:23.50 | Rory | As it happens I'm ending with an unspecified failure. Yay. |
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| 12:24.03 | anddam | unspecified? |
| 12:24.20 | anddam | ther'es possibly a console with the errors |
| 12:24.22 | Rory | As in it says the step that failed but not any more info |
| 12:24.37 | Rory | Maybe but it wouldn't be debian if it installed for me first time. |
| 12:24.46 | Rory | Need to say the right incantation |
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| 12:28.52 | metabsd_ | Hi all, I get a gpg error each time i use apt-get. I get this message until 3-4 day. Need help to understand. I test another mirror and i have the same problem. I think i have to repair my apt-key |
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| 12:30.28 | metabsd_ | i just try to list and update my keep but my keep seem to be ok |
| 12:30.40 | metabsd_ | i user the official Canadian mirror of debian |
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| 12:32.37 | Brigo | metabsd_, could you paste the problem in paste.debian.net? |
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| 12:34.06 | Brigo | metabsd_, i mean the output of apt-get update |
| 12:34.43 | analia-arg | hi |
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| 12:37.00 | nbt | analia-arg: hi |
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| 12:40.44 | KaKila | There is a usb port that causing delays at boot. I would like to disable it, anyway of doing this by software or I have to desconnect it physically? |
| 12:40.52 | Zorbas | hi |
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| 12:42.47 | Zorbas | I have a ms exchange mailbox with a lot of subfolders. I want to download the messages with getmail using POP3, is there an option to include all subfolders (not just in-box) |
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| 12:43.56 | overdrive | hi, is there any way to specify to dpkg-buildpackage, to build the package only of the current .deb package differs from the source fetched? or just to the make get-orig-source to fetch only if there is a different version of the source, to the one currently is downloaded in the system? |
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| 12:44.01 | petemc | Zorbas: i dont believe pop3 has the capability to work with folders |
| 12:44.55 | petn-randall | KaKila: How is the USB port causing delays? If it is because the BIOS is trying to boot from USB mass storage, there is little you can do in Debian to fix that. |
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| 12:45.38 | KaKila | petn-randall: this way http://askubuntu.com/questions/613786/udev-wait-for-complete-device-initialization |
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| 12:46.27 | petn-randall | KaKila: Are you running Ubuntu 15.04? |
| 12:46.35 | KaKila | petn-randall: yes |
| 12:46.55 | petn-randall | KaKila: Then please ask in #ubuntu, this is a Debian channel. |
| 12:46.56 | KaKila | petn-randall: but being a boot issue I thought better to aks debian |
| 12:47.01 | petn-randall | !ubuntu |
| 12:47.01 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
| 12:47.23 | KaKila | petn-randall: ok, ok |
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| 12:47.37 | lophos_ | KaKila, better upgrade to Debian :) |
| 12:48.01 | KaKila | lophos_: in my pc yes, but this is family pc. |
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| 12:54.13 | twisted` | hey - I'm having a bit of a problem with libpam-mysql, libnss-mysql-bg works fine (I can login), but PAM doesn't work. I've been debugging for a long time and it's driving me up the wall. |
| 12:54.20 | Winfreed | new debian got have ssh root longins with out password enable for security reasons! |
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| 12:54.36 | Rory | How can I get tab-completion for package names and arguments to apt-get while su'd to root? |
| 12:54.42 | Winfreed | new debian gota have ssh root longins with out password enable for security reasons! |
| 12:54.46 | metabsd_ | http://paste.debian.net/169319/ |
| 12:54.52 | petn-randall | Winfreed: Do you have a support question? |
| 12:54.58 | twisted` | most documentation/guides I've been able to find is very old and doesn't seem to work for me... imo it shouldn't be this complicated :p I've tried with multiple types of settings for crypt, but no cigar |
| 12:55.02 | Winfreed | new debian gota have ssh root longins with out password enable for security reasons? |
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| 12:55.26 | rozie | Posterdati: powertop |
| 12:56.01 | petn-randall | Winfreed: Yes, by default you cannot log in as root with a password. |
| 12:56.26 | Winfreed | but you can with out a password |
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| 12:56.42 | Winfreed | OMFG |
| 12:56.57 | petn-randall | Winfreed: Yes, if you log in with a SSH key that is authorized. |
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| 12:57.32 | petn-randall | Winfreed: Yes, that is part of the securiyt concept. But I think you're misunderstanding something from your reaction. |
| 12:57.48 | Winfreed | so what are the keys that are enabled out of the box? |
| 12:58.21 | Kamilion | there aren't any. I wget mine from my http server when I install a new box. :) |
| 12:58.45 | clearleapmatt | or you can use ssh-copy-id or something like that |
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| 12:58.58 | Kamilion | or use the user created during install and sudo |
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| 12:59.43 | Posterdati | rozie: ok, thanks |
| 13:00.27 | Kamilion | but 'without-password' is referring to excluding the authenication method type 'password', not "allow anyone to press enter with blank password zomg" |
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| 13:03.02 | Rory | How do I change the way pictures are aligned as my desktop wallpaper in GNOME? (fill/fit/stretch) |
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| 13:04.18 | Alex149 | Rory: There used to be a GUI option for that but it's dissapeared in recent GNOME releases |
| 13:05.31 | Alex149 | Rory: Found it... |
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| 13:06.59 | Alex149 | Run 'dconf-editor' and navigate to: org.gnome.desktop.background. There's a field "picture-options" which you can change. Determines how the image set by wallpaper_filename is rendered. Possible values are "none", "wallpaper", "centered", "scaled", "stretched", "zoom", "spanned". |
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| 13:07.59 | shay_shay | Savemech: sup |
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| 13:08.52 | mokuhon | I accidently closed the terminal that was doing the dist-upgrade. What should I do next to continue the installation process? |
| 13:08.55 | Rory | I heard there was a GNOME mode where I can have a window list, applications menu, etc like in Gnome 2. I selected the fallback/classic mode option from the login menu but this doesn't seem to be it - is this feature included in Jessue? |
| 13:10.03 | Alex149 | mokuhon: try dist-upgrade again. Maybe have to do it with a -f option to fix it |
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| 13:11.36 | Beeblebrox-BSD | Hi, Install Problem: I have a Deb_Jessie on one laptop and I'd like to copy the exact same install to a second laptop. I tried to scp tarred folders then untar to partition I pla to use. Unfortunately this approach resultts in "can't find /root in /etc/fstab \ target filesystem does not have requested /sbin/init". System then drops to busybox. However, fstab does have the correct entry. How can I fix this system to get it booting? |
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| 13:11.37 | Alex149 | Rory: standard GNOME Shell with some Shell Extensions can do that. I have an Applications list at the top and there's a Window List at the bottom of screen also. |
| 13:11.59 | mokuhon | Alex149: so deleting /var/lib/dpkg/lock and doing it again with -f should do it right? |
| 13:12.08 | Alex149 | mokuhon: yes |
| 13:12.09 | shay_shay | mokuhon: do your dist-upgrade in a screen/tmux session so you can close the terminal without stopping the job |
| 13:12.14 | Rory | OK rather than do this, I'm going to start over with XFCE. Is it worth trying to "convert" my system by installing an XFCE metapackage and removing GNOME stuff? Or do you think it'd be easier just to reinstall? |
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| 13:13.04 | jelly | Beeblebrox-BSD: did you fix fstab to have correct UUIDs? |
| 13:13.25 | Alex149 | Rory: https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/6/applications-menu/ |
| 13:14.01 | Beeblebrox-BSD | jelly: I just used /dev paths: /dev/sda5 / etc... |
| 13:14.07 | petn-randall | Beeblebrox-BSD: All your UUIDs will be different. You'll have to look it up with 'blkid' and fix all the files in /etc/. |
| 13:14.07 | Rory | Yeah Alex149 I saw that but I think it requires 3.4+ |
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| 13:14.10 | jelly | mokuhon, Alex149: deleting /var/lib/dpkg/lock is a bad thing to do. Find and kill apt/aptitude/dpkg processes instead. |
| 13:14.18 | Beeblebrox-BSD | Not using UUID's |
| 13:14.20 | petn-randall | Beeblebrox-BSD: grep for the UUIDs of the old machine, there will be several files. |
| 13:14.29 | Catwich | Rory, I wonder if you've been looking for the Mate desktop |
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| 13:14.35 | jelly | Beeblebrox-BSD: make sure grub's not using them either. |
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| 13:15.04 | petn-randall | Beeblebrox-BSD: Did you do a grub-install on the new machine, too? Is it using UEFI or BIOS, just like the old machine? |
| 13:15.05 | Beeblebrox-BSD | jelly: same syntax in grub (hd0,x) but perhaps that's wort a look |
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| 13:15.05 | Alex149 | Rory: it works in Jessie versions of GNOME Shell. |
| 13:15.21 | petn-randall | Beeblebrox-BSD: Is the filesystem layout also 100% the same? |
| 13:15.22 | Beeblebrox-BSD | Using bios, and already had grub |
| 13:15.23 | ChunkzZ1 | hi, will Debian 8.0 install ALL of my drivers? |
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| 13:15.41 | Alex149 | There's also those Cinnamon and MATE Desktops |
| 13:15.50 | mokuhon | jelly: too late, apt-get recommended me to do "sudo dpkg --configure -a" after deleting it and then I did apt-get -f dist-upgrade |
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| 13:16.02 | Beeblebrox-BSD | yes 100% same. Let me check through the grub syntax |
| 13:16.40 | Kamilion | Beeblebrox-BSD: grub1 or grub2? /boot/grub/menu.lst or /boot/grub/grub.cfg ? |
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| 13:18.20 | Beeblebrox-BSD | Kamilion: grub2. normally I would use loopback from ISO on usb, but the image I have is not playing along nicely. |
| 13:18.25 | Beeblebrox-BSD | I don |
| 13:18.26 | ChunkzZ1 | hi, will Debian 8 install ALL my drivers? |
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| 13:18.54 | petn-randall | ChunkzZ1: Probably. |
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| 13:19.03 | Catwich | ChunkzZ1: probaly not |
| 13:19.07 | Kamilion | I use the same grub2 loopback-from-iso for other stuff. may take a kernel parameter to tell it iso's path. |
| 13:19.09 | Beeblebrox-BSD | I don't have root= in the grub linux line, so that's probably it... |
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| 13:19.13 | Posterdati | ChunkzZ1: who knows? |
| 13:19.17 | petn-randall | !tell ChunkzZ1 -about ask |
| 13:19.31 | Alex149 | All drivers except binary blob drivers I would imagine |
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| 13:19.38 | jelly | ChunkzZ1: no, it will install all ITS drivers |
| 13:19.44 | petn-randall | !tell ChunkzZ1 -about smart questions |
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| 13:19.50 | Posterdati | ChunkzZ1: my upgrade from wheeze didn't install legacy nvidia drivers |
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| 13:20.23 | ChunkzZ1 | I want to know because I'm about to install Debian 8 but wheezy didn't install my gfx driver... |
| 13:20.27 | Beeblebrox-BSD | OK, I solved it. Thanks for the insight. |
| 13:20.31 | jelly | mokuhon: best to kill -9 any old processes with prejudice then |
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| 13:21.04 | lord_rob | ChunkzZ1: try debian live cd |
| 13:21.07 | pmart | I just saw squeeze as oldoldstable on p.d.o Made me smile :) |
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| 13:21.26 | ChunkzZ1 | lord_rob, I did. didn't install the drivers.... |
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| 13:21.42 | jelly | ChunkzZ1: debian will not install non-free drivers by default. If you need those, they will have to be added after installation. However your hardware might work (better) with recent free drivers. |
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| 13:22.16 | ChunkzZ1 | what do you mean by "non-free" drivers? |
| 13:22.41 | petn-randall | !tell ChunkzZ1 -about non-free |
| 13:22.45 | jelly | ChunkzZ1: closed source drivers (fglrx for ATI, nvidia for nvidia) |
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| 13:23.02 | ChunkzZ1 | petn-randall, I wish you'd fuck off with that seriously! |
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| 13:23.14 | shay_shay | :o |
| 13:23.31 | ChunkzZ1 | thanks jelly I'll have a look |
| 13:23.39 | Catwich | !tell ChunkzZ1 -about language |
| 13:23.41 | petn-randall | ChunkzZ1: Errr, this is not the kind of language you'll get help with. |
| 13:23.46 | jelly | ChunkzZ1: you might end up needing that thing you asked him to fuck off with. |
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| 13:25.01 | jelly | ChunkzZ1: we don't have a language policy in here. |
| 13:25.05 | jelly | !language |
| 13:25.05 | dpkg | rumour has it, language is a wonderful fucking thing that should be used properly. Every time you hurt grammar, a <knoppix> user joins. To the scientists, language is god. See <$lang>, <language per user>. |
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| 13:25.34 | jelly | ChunkzZ1: that's what you made the bot send to that user. Not exactly useful or to the point. |
| 13:25.49 | Posterdati | jelly: is nouveau better than nvidia driver? |
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| 13:25.58 | ChunkzZ1 | I'm just installing 8 on a virtualbox. I plan on ditching windows for Debian. anyone know the kernel debian 8 uses? |
| 13:26.01 | jelly | Posterdati: it's better if it works. |
| 13:26.16 | Posterdati | jelly: oh my |
| 13:26.44 | petn-randall | ChunkzZ1: Debian jessie will work perfectly fine in Virtualbox, all drivers installed by default. |
| 13:26.56 | jelly | !tell ChunkzZ1 about jessie kernel |
| 13:26.59 | jelly | :-) |
| 13:27.31 | ChunkzZ1 | okay, petn-randall so it should install drivers if I replace windows, yes? |
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| 13:28.39 | petn-randall | ChunkzZ1: You can't "migrate" a Virtualbox installation to your host, so you'll have to do a new installation. If everything works out of the box depends on your system. Sometimes very new AMD/Nvidia cards are problemetic. Everything else you can expect to work out of the box. |
| 13:29.10 | ChunkzZ1 | petn-randall, I know that but I want to know if my drivers will be installed. |
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| 13:29.22 | petn-randall | ChunkzZ1: What are "your" drivers? |
| 13:29.24 | ChunkzZ1 | is there a command to check? |
| 13:29.33 | ChunkzZ1 | petn-randall, my gfx drivers |
| 13:29.40 | ChunkzZ1 | also, enternet. |
| 13:29.48 | petn-randall | ChunkzZ1: What is your graphics card? |
| 13:30.05 | ChunkzZ1 | it's built in to my CPU |
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| 13:30.12 | ChunkzZ1 | amd 5350 |
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| 13:30.23 | mtn | ChunkzZ1: I might add that the debian wiki can answer your hardware questions, too |
| 13:30.52 | ChunkzZ1 | mtn, yes but I could never install the drivers without errors saying it couldn't be installed etc etc. |
| 13:31.05 | ChunkzZ1 | hence why i'm asking here :0 |
| 13:31.05 | petn-randall | ChunkzZ1: That'll work out of the box. As I said, everything else will very likely work out of the box. If you want to make sure, just grab a live image and boot from that. |
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| 13:31.07 | mtn | ChunkzZ1: in virtualbox or .....? |
| 13:31.35 | ChunkzZ1 | mtn, nah actual desktop |
| 13:31.37 | ffig | I ran out of space somewhere on the upgrade from wheezy to jessie, ultimately borking the install. any idea how big of a problem it could be to fix? |
| 13:31.44 | ChunkzZ1 | petn-randall, can you link me to a live cd? |
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| 13:32.15 | petn-randall | ChunkzZ1: https://www.debian.org/CD/live/ |
| 13:32.24 | jelly | ffig: probably not too big. free the space, run dpkg --configure -a, run apt-get -f install, repeat the command that failed |
| 13:32.45 | shay_shay | ffig you need to clear some space and restart the dist-upgrade.. mayhaps with -f to fix broken |
| 13:33.08 | petn-randall | ChunkzZ1: "amd64" is for common 64-bit CPUs and the one you want to use. |
| 13:33.27 | ChunkzZ1 | thanks petn-randall |
| 13:33.52 | ffig | error was on writing to /lib/modules/3.16.0-4-amd64/kernel/drivers/gpu/drm/drm.ko.dpkg-new, then i got various errors after thta |
| 13:33.59 | ffig | okay thanks I'll look into freeing space |
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| 13:34.41 | ChunkzZ1 | petn-randall, what DE would you recommened for quickness? cinnamon? |
| 13:35.09 | jelly | ffig: did you read the release notes? It lists some strategies. https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#sufficient-space |
| 13:35.31 | ffig | oh i see /dev/mapper/machine-root mounted to / is 100% use |
| 13:35.38 | petn-randall | ChunkzZ1: I recommend gnome, KDE or Xfce. But you can install them all in parallel and try them all out on the same machine. |
| 13:35.40 | ffig | yes i followed those when installing |
| 13:35.56 | ChunkzZ1 | okay cheers :) |
| 13:36.01 | jelly | ffig: how small is your / filesystem |
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| 13:37.27 | ffig | jelly: 9.1gb |
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| 13:38.39 | jelly | ffig: du -x / | sort -n | tail -n 40 |
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| 13:38.58 | ruukasu | I ran update && dist-upgrade today on stable, and a ton of packages upgraded as expected, but my kernel is still 3.2.x according to uname |
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| 13:39.22 | jelly | ruukasu: what exactly does "uname -r" say? |
| 13:39.33 | ruukasu | 3.2.0-4-amd64 |
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| 13:39.47 | jelly | ruukasu: alright, is the linux-image-amd64 package installed? |
| 13:40.11 | ruukasu | jelly: yes, 3.16+63 |
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| 13:40.39 | jelly | ruukasu: then it ought to have pulled in the updated kernel for debian 8. Look at contents of /boot/ directory |
| 13:41.05 | jelly | ruukasu: probably just need to reboot into it |
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| 13:43.16 | ruukasu | jelly: I've rebooted since |
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| 13:43.24 | ffig | jelly: not sure which i can delete, i'm assuming /var/cache/apt/archives is safe to delete |
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| 13:43.43 | Miesco | I am getting some alsa error: http://paste.debian.net/169327/. What is the first step to resolve this? |
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| 13:44.36 | jelly | ffig: apt will download again the packages it still needs |
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| 13:46.30 | jelly | ffig: do an "apt-get autoclean" for a start, see if it helps |
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| 13:47.51 | iuz | I guess my debian updated to jdk 8.41 automatically, I want to go back to 8.25 |
| 13:47.57 | iuz | how I am supposed to do that? |
| 13:49.10 | mtn | !downgrade |
| 13:49.10 | dpkg | Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
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| 13:52.38 | jelly | iuz: was this a result of a release upgrade, or? |
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| 13:53.10 | jelly | iuz: which package name precisely are you talking about and which version of debian are you using? |
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| 13:54.10 | iuz | jelly: java version "1.8.0_40" |
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| 13:54.19 | iuz | it just updated from 0_25 to 0_40 |
| 13:54.25 | iuz | I dont even recall updating anything |
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| 13:54.56 | iuz | 0_40 is has a problem with the platform I develop, so I need to go back |
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| 13:55.10 | iuz | I'm trying to manually install 0_25 again and use update-alternatives |
| 13:55.13 | themill | iuz: none of these are package names or debian package versions |
| 13:55.14 | iuz | but nothing is working |
| 13:55.26 | iuz | downgrading apparently is not a option |
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| 13:56.06 | jelly | iuz: which package is it, then? dpkg -S $(readlink -f $(which java)) |
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| 13:58.56 | iuz | It does not find with this line but I'll look for the package name.... its oracle-java8-installer-8u40+8u33arm-1-webupd8~0 |
| 13:59.26 | themill | iuz: so that's not a debian package and it's not even a package that is designed for debian. |
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| 14:00.19 | iuz | ok themill sorry about it. I'll go back to windows to develop using java |
| 14:00.48 | metabsd_ | Someone use that : deb http://www.deb-multimedia.org testing main non-free |
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| 14:01.10 | jelly | !dmm |
| 14:01.10 | dpkg | We recommend against deb-multimedia.org; these unofficial packages are known to cause many hard to debug problems. They are not in Debian either because the they are too poor in quality or for legal reasons. See http://deb-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm wheezy>, <dmm jessie>. See also <dmm list>, <dmm mirrors>, <dmm pinning>, <why not dmm>, <dmm remove> |
| 14:01.17 | themill | iuz: Feel free to yell at oracle for preventing debian from redistributing their jdk. |
| 14:01.21 | jelly | metabsd_: but yes, people use it |
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| 14:01.27 | metabsd_ | if yes. how can i install handbrake .. I use apt-get install handbrake and i see handbrake installing i see handbrake with dpkg but handbrake is not on my system .. Help please. |
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| 14:01.54 | AR45 | morning guys |
| 14:01.57 | themill | ,v handbrake |
| 14:01.59 | judd | Package: handbrake on amd64 -- wheezy-multimedia: 0.9.8+git20121007-dmo7; wheezy-backports: 0.9.9+dfsg-2~2.gbpa4c3e9~bpo70+1; stretch: 0.9.9+svn6422+dfsg1-2; jessie: 0.9.9+svn6422+dfsg1-2; sid: 0.10.1+ds1-2; jessie-multimedia: 1:0.10.1-dmo3; sid-multimedia: 1:0.10.1-dmo3 |
| 14:02.06 | metabsd_ | good morning AR45 |
| 14:02.16 | themill | metabsd_: handbrake is already in debian. |
| 14:02.33 | jelly | iuz: you'll have to ask the webupd8 people for older versions, or download an old .tar.gz from oracle manually and use java-package to package it |
| 14:02.50 | metabsd_ | i see 0.99 with the default mirror but when i add that repo i see 0.10 ... |
| 14:03.05 | iuz | what is java-package jelly ? |
| 14:03.17 | metabsd_ | and when i apt-get update/upgrade he upgrade to the new version and now i cannot use it |
| 14:03.20 | themill | metabsd_: see what dpkg said about the quality of those packages. |
| 14:03.22 | iuz | I downloaded an older version and I'm trying to set it as default |
| 14:03.35 | jelly | !java-package |
| 14:03.35 | dpkg | java-package (formerly mpkg-j2se, j2se-package) provides the make-jpkg utility for creating Debian packages from manually downloaded <Java> distributions; Oracle Java 6 (update >= 10) and Oracle Java 7 are currently supported. java-package is available for Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems in <contrib>. http://wiki.debian.org/JavaPackage . Where possible, use <OpenJDK> instead, ask me about <install java>. |
| 14:03.52 | AR45 | !apt-spy |
| 14:03.52 | dpkg | a secret! Shh! 'Mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' Note that it will overwrite your sources.list when finished, so (1) cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak (2) apt-get install apt-spy (3) apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] (4) fix your sources.list by adding back in any other mirrors you had been using. |
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| 14:04.05 | iuz | does not work for me, but thank you anyway |
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| 14:05.07 | AR45 | I can't find apt-spy on the latest stable any other packages that do the same thing? |
| 14:05.17 | petn-randall | ,v apt-spy |
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| 14:05.19 | judd | Package: apt-spy on amd64 -- squeeze: 3.1-19; sid: 3.2.2-1; wheezy: 3.2.2-1 |
| 14:05.41 | metabsd_ | themill, i install handbrake-gtk and now it's working .. and yes i know handbrak is include in debian but the version in that repo is better. (Newest) |
| 14:05.56 | petn-randall | !sns |
| 14:05.57 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 14:06.14 | themill | metabsd_: newer is not better, particularly when it comes to the quality of packages from deb-multimedia. |
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| 14:07.03 | yossarianuk | hi - I forgot my GPG signing key - so I have created a new on in order to sign my apt repo |
| 14:07.07 | metabsd_ | themill, the other option is to use sid ? I know the package in sid is working i already try it but other package is a lot unstable |
| 14:07.21 | metabsd_ | it's possible to use sid package under testing ? |
| 14:07.21 | yossarianuk | however when I try to use reprepro it uses my old key |
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| 14:07.28 | themill | metabsd_: with my multimedia maintainers hat on, I can promise you that any bugs you file about things not working or crashes in multimedia packages will just be closed as invalid if you have packages installed from deb-multimedia. |
| 14:07.37 | yossarianuk | where is reprepro getting the info from ? |
| 14:08.11 | yossarianuk | how can I get reprepro to use my new key ? |
| 14:08.22 | metabsd_ | themill, ok i understand. |
| 14:08.33 | Burps | Hi : I upgraded from wheezy to jessie, but my kernel is still 3.2+46 : is that normal ? |
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| 14:09.25 | themill | Burps: you missed §4.6 of the release notes. |
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| 14:10.15 | karlpinc | (You know you're getting good support when the § character is used!) |
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| 14:10.37 | themill | :þ |
| 14:11.11 | jelly | iuz: I'm not sure what that doesn't work for you. It packaged 32bit 8u45 and various versions of oracle java 6 and 7 for us. |
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| 14:11.42 | metabsd_ | themill, if i want to rip my bluray in debian testing. Could you advise me of the application to rip bluray ? |
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| 14:13.05 | vegardx | Is it possible that unattended upgrades was broken with the release of jessie? Currently, Wheezy will only use unattend install if you use oldstable, not wheezy, as target. |
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| 14:13.25 | Burps | themill: actually, that's what (I think) I've done : http://fpaste.scsys.co.uk/474649 |
| 14:13.27 | vegardx | Even if both wheezy and oldstable exists on the mirrors. |
| 14:13.33 | vegardx | (they are symlinked) |
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| 14:14.40 | themill | vegardx: I have vague memories of unattended-upgrades doing some funny pinning by release state ("stable") not release name |
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| 14:15.10 | vegardx | Hm, sounds hacky! :p |
| 14:15.14 | vegardx | I'll give it a try. |
| 14:15.21 | AciD` | hi, which backport report are available to get the latest firefox-err-iceweasel version? |
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| 14:15.46 | themill | Burps: so you need to install that metapackage -- dist-upgrade should have done so though |
| 14:15.52 | AciD` | on wheezy it was "deb http://mozilla.debian.net/ wheezy-backports iceweasel-release" but it seems updating that with 'jessie' does not work |
| 14:16.53 | vegardx | themill: doesnt' seem to help. "Allowed origins are: ['o=Debian,a=stable', 'o=Debian,a=wheezy-security', 'o=Debian,a=wheezy-updates']", still yields no updates that I know are in wheezy-security. But if I set stable to oldstable it all kicks in. |
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| 14:16.57 | themill | AciD`: that's not set up for jessie just yet. I imagine the maintainers will do so soon. |
| 14:17.46 | AciD` | ok, I guess I'll somehow for the install directly from the remaining .deb files in /var/cache then, thanks :) |
| 14:17.51 | AciD` | *force |
| 14:18.07 | zekoZeko | hey everyone, i'm trying to add is-enabled and is-disabled commands for update-rc.d so I can get it salt service.(enabled|disabled) states working on systemd. |
| 14:18.25 | themill | vegardx: security updates don't have a=foo-security though -- see the output of apt-cache policy |
| 14:18.37 | zekoZeko | i see update-rc.d enable|disable is calling insserv, but I guess I can check the state directly from update-rc.d? |
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| 14:21.31 | vegardx | themill: ah, thanks, that helps |
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| 14:24.18 | iveevue | Any reason why sound doesnt work after jessie upgrade? |
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| 14:28.55 | LuisM | hi folks |
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| 14:30.19 | AR45 | I'm guessing most people don't try to resolve the fastest/closes mirrors near them. |
| 14:30.51 | LuisM | when i try to "apt-get" a close mirror, in jessie |
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| 14:31.05 | LuisM | but "failed to fetch" |
| 14:31.08 | LuisM | 404 http |
| 14:31.12 | mtn | AR45: check out http://http.debian.net/ |
| 14:31.28 | rozie | I managed to narrow problem to acpi support. any ideas what changed between wheezy and jessie regarding acpi? |
| 14:31.29 | LuisM | i just added 3 diff mirrors |
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| 14:31.50 | rozie | booting with noacpi parameter solves freezes (they look like connected to cpu frequency change) |
| 14:31.57 | AR45 | LuisM: What's a close mirror? |
| 14:32.10 | LuisM | http://ftp.br.debian.org |
| 14:32.15 | mtn | LuisM: check out http://http.debian.net/ |
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| 14:32.33 | AR45 | mtn: Not exactly helpful but I get your drift. |
| 14:32.34 | LuisM | hmm, i'll try |
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| 14:32.49 | mtn | AR45: not helpful, really? it does just what you want doesn't it? |
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| 14:33.18 | AR45 | mtn: It just brings me to https://www.debian.org/ |
| 14:33.25 | themill | AR45: a reliable mirror that actually works is much more useful than a fast mirror that does not |
| 14:33.30 | themill | dpkg: tell AR45 about http.debian.net |
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| 14:34.39 | rozie | acpi=oldboot and acpi=ht doesn't help |
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| 14:35.16 | AR45 | I see. I see. |
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| 14:35.43 | LuisM | mtn: for security repo as well? |
| 14:35.54 | AR45 | & a fast mirror is just as useful as a reliable one depending on your use case scenario. |
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| 14:36.28 | AR45 | most useful is arbitrary. |
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| 14:37.16 | mtn | LuisM: not sure |
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| 14:38.03 | micmord | mtn: also redirect does not work |
| 14:38.11 | themill | AR45: if you can't even apt-get update using it, then it doesn't matter how fast it is, it's not useful. |
| 14:38.22 | mtn | micmord: sorry, what do you mean? |
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| 14:38.58 | LuisM | AR45: what you think about httpredir for security repository? |
| 14:39.20 | micmord | mtn: I mean this http://http.debian.net/ |
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| 14:40.25 | AR45 | LuisM: It says right there on the website mate |
| 14:40.28 | themill | micmord: what about it? We know the URL well |
| 14:40.31 | AR45 | LuisM: For the security repository, you should not rely on third party mirrors. You should always use them in addition to the main mirrors. I.e. list the third party mirror first, and then security.debian.org. |
| 14:40.36 | mtn | micmord: works for me |
| 14:40.52 | LuisM | AR45: sure, so, i don't need touch on security repo ;) |
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| 14:41.02 | vegardx | themill: I'm still having the same issues, as soon as I change to oldstable all the other unattended targets works as intended. It does not work with wheezy. Which makes it so that I have to run different versions of unattended upgrades across the line, istead of using the short codes and let apt figure it out for it self. |
| 14:41.06 | AR45 | LuisM: You can. |
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| 14:41.21 | AR45 | LuisM: List the third party mirror first, and then security.debian.org |
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| 14:43.11 | AR45 | LuisM: You should also check out known issues before diving in head first |
| 14:43.16 | AR45 | LuisM: https://github.com/rgeissert/http-redirector/issues |
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| 14:44.07 | LuisM | hmmm great |
| 14:45.06 | iveevue | Why does sound not work after a jessie upgrade? |
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| 14:46.07 | AR45 | iveevue: Could be a driver issue. |
| 14:46.19 | iveevue | How exactly? |
| 14:46.21 | karlpinc | iveevue: What did you do to test it? What happened then? |
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| 14:47.21 | iveevue | Tried playing sound, doesnt work. Checked multimedia settings in KDE system settings and clicking "test" on any device listed gives a dialog box saying: "failed to set the selected audio output device" |
| 14:47.59 | iveevue | Box pops up now and again asking if I want to forget certain devices/etc |
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| 14:50.25 | vandox | what about alsamixer? |
| 14:50.37 | karlpinc | !tell iveevue about alsa checklist |
| 14:51.02 | iveevue | Looks like there is a linux-image upgrade available. Will be back after that |
| 14:51.23 | rozie | acpi=off is too much. mouse doesn't work. but not sound and cursor issues |
| 14:51.49 | johnfg | hi folks |
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| 14:53.56 | johnfg | I'm currently running jessie in a vm, but pre-release of 8.0. I looked at the topic, and asked dpkg, but wonder where the instructions are for making this vm a stable install. |
| 14:54.09 | johnfg | Is it just changing things in the sources? |
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| 14:54.38 | vandox | it should be stable if it has "jessie" in sources.list |
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| 14:54.44 | themill | johnfg: if you've got "jessie" in the sources.list, then it's only an apt update; apt upgrade away |
| 14:54.46 | vandox | and the packages come from there |
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| 14:55.44 | romgo_ | Hello |
| 14:55.46 | johnfg | Ok, thanks. Just that I'd never been runnning testing before at the time it went to stable. |
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| 15:01.06 | romgo_ | I used to play with docker on wheezy with backport kernel. Since I upgraded to Jessie I have an issue with aufs |
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| 15:02.20 | elarson | I'm curious what most people to do avoid the situation where debian/rules conflicts with a Makefile in the root directory |
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| 15:10.37 | AR45 | Question is it not recommended to use ar? |
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| 15:11.20 | AR45 | I'm reading Chapter 5 of the Debian Administration book but it's based on "Mastering Squeeze" it's quite old but has valuable information |
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| 15:11.36 | AR45 | Currently I'm learning about the Packaging System: Tools and Fundamental Principles |
| 15:11.54 | AR45 | I wanted to go ahead and look into a .deb file myself |
| 15:12.04 | AR45 | So I went over to atom.io and just downloaded there .deb |
| 15:12.20 | AR45 | In terminal did an ar t atom.deb but ar isn't installed |
| 15:12.34 | jelly | AR45: it's easier to dpkg --extract ... and dpkg --control ... |
| 15:12.37 | AR45 | So just wondering since this is debian 8 if it's recommended to use something else |
| 15:13.31 | AR45 | jelly: I see and what if I just wanted to list what's contained in the .deb before extracting it? |
| 15:13.59 | jelly | AR45: man dpkg-deb |
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| 15:22.27 | AR45 | thnx jelly |
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| 15:23.54 | berarma | how do I install the Gnome Shell Integration plugin on Jessie? It's gone after upgrading from Wheezy. |
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| 15:24.45 | AR45 | berarma: Do you mean https://extensions.gnome.org/? |
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| 15:25.09 | berarma | AR45, the plugin to install extensions from iceweasel. |
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| 15:25.33 | AR45 | berarma: go that website |
| 15:25.50 | AR45 | berarma: do you see a little lego block before the url field |
| 15:25.52 | berarma | yes, I go there and get this: "We cannot detect a running copy of GNOME on this system, so some parts of the interface may be disabled." |
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| 15:26.49 | AR45 | berarma: click the icon that looks like a 'block of lego' before the 'lock' icon which is before the 'url field' |
| 15:26.58 | AR45 | berarma: then hit allow |
| 15:27.05 | AR45 | berarma: then refresh the page |
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| 15:28.32 | woodgrain | has anyone here ever bought a pre-installed Debian box? |
| 15:28.52 | AR45 | woodgrain: perhaps someone has, I haven't, why? |
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| 15:29.24 | mtn | woodgrain: I have |
| 15:29.39 | woodgrain | mtn, who did you buy from? was it a good experience? |
| 15:29.49 | woodgrain | I have a time crunch and am considering buying off the shelf. |
| 15:29.55 | mtn | woodgrain: zareason and a very good experience and product |
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| 15:30.25 | woodgrain | mtn, are you local to zareason ? |
| 15:30.34 | mtn | woodgrain: local? |
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| 15:30.52 | woodgrain | mtn, close to zareason or mail order? Also, did you get Ubuntu or debian? |
| 15:31.07 | mtn | woodgrain: I will pm you. |
| 15:31.16 | woodgrain | kewl |
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| 15:32.02 | martopoulos | hi, I'm trying to install jessie through VMWare vsphere, but for some reason the installer takes up to 30 seconds to respond to each key stroke - what might be the cause of this? (standard US keyboard) |
| 15:32.41 | martopoulos | (no problem with wheezy) |
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| 15:35.49 | shay_shay | vsphere gave us problems with kfbsd installer too |
| 15:35.57 | berarma | AR45, I can't see the lego block |
| 15:36.01 | shay_shay | diagnosis: vsphere |
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| 15:36.28 | martopoulos | fun |
| 15:36.35 | Winfreed | will debian support nvidia legacy drivers for N34 cards? |
| 15:36.56 | AR45 | berarma: you're using iceweasel i assume |
| 15:36.58 | shay_shay | us as in people at me and my work, martopoulos, not anyone else in this channel |
| 15:37.16 | shay_shay | me and people at my work* |
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| 15:37.45 | AR45 | berarma: in the url field type 'about:addons' |
| 15:38.03 | AR45 | berarma: then head to plugins |
| 15:38.11 | AR45 | berarma: do u see gnome shell integration |
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| 15:38.37 | AR45 | berarma: u can change to suite your preference |
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| 15:39.42 | AR45 | Winfreed: will as in 'does it' or will as in 'will it'? |
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| 15:45.02 | berarma | AR45, no |
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| 15:46.27 | drywheat | quick question regarding package versions. |
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| 15:46.40 | drywheat | is it standard for the debian repos to remove old versions of packages? |
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| 15:47.00 | drywheat | I've been installing "openssl=1.0.1e-2+deb7u15" for about a month and now it's not available |
| 15:47.22 | drywheat | instead "1.0.1e-2+deb7u16" is available. |
| 15:47.34 | pvoigt | How can I get boot messages to /var/log/boot with jessie/systemd. I have installed bootlogd but it seems not to be working. |
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| 15:48.40 | shay_shay | pvoigt: man journald |
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| 15:49.16 | pvoigt | Wow, very helpful, I really love systemd. |
| 15:49.35 | shay_shay | or I should say "apropos journald" |
| 15:50.21 | shay_shay | pvoigt: actually it is very helpful, it can show you messages much earlier in the boot processes than sysv can |
| 15:50.24 | pvoigt | But you cannot help, if bootlogd is needed at all? |
| 15:50.55 | shay_shay | https://wiki.debian.org/bootlogd |
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| 15:51.24 | shay_shay | see the line about systemd |
| 15:51.28 | pvoigt | Wiki does not cover jessie at all. |
| 15:51.38 | pvoigt | at least not with systemd. |
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| 15:51.55 | shay_shay | it does, its the second sentence |
| 15:53.14 | pvoigt | You're right, much to read, needs time. Hhm, may be I should have de-selected systemd during installation^^ |
| 15:53.46 | pvoigt | So first have to remove bootlogd - it's obviously useless with systemd. |
| 15:53.46 | shay_shay | try this pvoigt: journalctl -b |
| 15:53.54 | shay_shay | that shows you all boot messages |
| 15:54.15 | shay_shay | that's just to get you started. read the manual later. its very capible |
| 15:54.32 | pvoigt | shay_shay: Yes, thanks that helps. |
| 15:55.36 | pvoigt | shay_shay: Do you know, how I can prevent auto-clear of tty1 with systemd? I have no inittab anymore. |
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| 15:57.04 | shay_shay | not off the top of my head but I found it on archwiki |
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| 15:58.36 | pvoigt | shay_shay: Yep, should be this: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Disable_clearing_of_boot_messages |
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| 15:59.15 | shay_shay | nods |
| 15:59.31 | AR45 | berarma: sudo apt-get isntall gnome-shell |
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| 16:00.30 | veverak | hi! |
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| 16:00.40 | veverak | anybody any experience with devmon suddenly disconnecting external drive? |
| 16:00.55 | veverak | connected usb external hdd, it mounted and after few minutes of not touching the thing, it unmounted |
| 16:01.00 | Zopieux | power save feature maybe? |
| 16:01.01 | veverak | P.S: all the devmon is whole new thing for me |
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| 16:03.04 | ctmjr | drywheat: the versioning number gets changed with security/bug updates openssl=1.0.1e-2+deb7u15 went to 1.0.1e-2+deb7u16 with a security update |
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| 16:03.45 | drywheat | ctmjr: so there's no way to install the older version thereafter? i understand the importance of upgrading for security reasons |
| 16:04.12 | drywheat | but i'd like to "lock" a version in when provisioning my machines and perform a controlled upgrade when appropriate |
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| 16:05.22 | jhutchins | drywheat: The best way to do that is probably to maintain your own "frozen" repository, and update that repository when you're ready to upgrade. |
| 16:05.32 | drywheat | otherwise newly provisioned machines in our fleet can have disparate versions of say "openssl" potentially leading to different behaviors in other software that compiles against that |
| 16:05.40 | drywheat | mmmm |
| 16:06.15 | veverak | ehmm |
| 16:06.20 | veverak | devmon -> how to setup rights properly ? |
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| 16:07.53 | Rory | I followed the instructions on this page to install the nvidia driver https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. I couldn't get it working (booted into black screen) so I removed the packages that I installed, and removed the configuration file I created. |
| 16:08.35 | valdyn | Rory: you should just have read the log instead |
| 16:08.56 | Rory | However now using the nouveau driver I get a graphical screen saying a problem occurred and I need to log out |
| 16:09.07 | Rory | Are there any other steps required to get it back using nouveau |
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| 16:09.38 | valdyn | Rory: is the package libgl1-nvidia-glx installed? |
| 16:09.54 | drywheat | jhutchins: that seems like the way to go for a number of reasons. thank you. |
| 16:10.02 | Lope | I'm running a debian server VM (KVM). What is the minimum video memory I can use? |
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| 16:10.11 | Rory | valdyn: Yes |
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| 16:10.45 | valdyn | Rory: thats probably unrelated to your problem but still needs a fix: run "dpkg-reconfigure --config glx" |
| 16:11.18 | Rory | It doesn't like --config |
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| 16:11.38 | valdyn | Rory: umm? |
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| 16:11.44 | valdyn | Rory: oh, sorry |
| 16:11.51 | valdyn | Rory: "update-alternatives --config glx" |
| 16:11.57 | Rory | Oh right OK |
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| 16:12.45 | Rory | So which do I want out of nvidia (auto), mesa-diverted or nvidia manual? |
| 16:13.07 | valdyn | Rory: mesa of course, since you just removed the nvidia drivers |
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| 16:13.20 | Rory | Is that what it came with? |
| 16:13.20 | valdyn | Rory: disabled even |
| 16:13.40 | sander^home | Whats the time in gmt+1 now? |
| 16:13.49 | Rory | 17 13 |
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| 16:14.08 | valdyn | Rory: sander^home and there'S daylight savings |
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| 16:14.14 | sander^home | Rory, gmt dosnt take into account daylighsaving, tight? |
| 16:14.20 | Rory | Correct sander^home |
| 16:14.36 | Rory | Britain is on GMT plus 1 right now until October when it reverts to gmt |
| 16:15.18 | sander^home | :-) |
| 16:15.18 | valdyn | Rory: ls -l /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia* |
| 16:15.18 | Rory | Hooray I have a graphical desktop! Getting full screen virtual box to play nice with xfce on multiple monitors can wait til tomorrow |
| 16:15.36 | Lope | I'm trying to determine minimum video memory for a debian VM, I'm thinking: so 640x480 at 4bpp would be 153600 bytes, or 150K video memory required? |
| 16:16.42 | DominikB | lope more or less |
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| 16:17.00 | Lope | lol, how could it be less? :p |
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| 16:18.15 | DominikB | Lope, sry german brain fuck yeah your right more could always be better but 150k are the bare minimum |
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| 16:20.43 | Lope | all good |
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| 16:22.19 | rozie | is there any channel dedicated to migration to Jessie problems? |
| 16:22.33 | Phil-Work | not dedicated, no |
| 16:22.42 | Phil-Work | people have been asking in here most of the day, though |
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| 16:23.28 | jhutchins | rozie: This is the place. |
| 16:23.33 | lophos_ | rozie, you can ask here. I have migrated three servers and I had zero problems :) |
| 16:23.46 | lophos_ | I just asked N to any changes in configuration |
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| 16:26.10 | Miesco | Hi how do I make a document that I can edit in a web browser and at my local machine? |
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| 16:26.37 | Phil-Work | Miesco, not really Debian related - but try Google docs |
| 16:27.13 | Miesco | Phil-Work: I use this already. When I edit with a text editor it puts spaces between every line. Like a new paragraph. |
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| 16:27.21 | rozie | I have a problem after migration: https://diasp.eu/posts/3064813 |
| 16:28.09 | rozie | asked here twice, but no real help |
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| 16:29.18 | Brigo | rozie, did you check logs? |
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| 16:30.02 | rozie | well, yes, but couldn't find anything intresting |
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| 16:30.14 | rozie | will gladly provide logs if you want to take a look |
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| 16:31.13 | Brigo | rozie, yes, please. Can you paste the output of journactl -b? |
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| 16:35.52 | Lope | I can confirm that a debian VM will run fine in the console with 150K vram |
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| 16:38.44 | valdyn | Lope: a serial console would be even less than that |
| 16:38.52 | valdyn | Lope: it does not need a video card |
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| 16:40.54 | Lope | valdyn: yeah I know, I decided to get rid of the video card, the IDE controller, the CDROM the USB controller, the sound, kb, mouse, serial etc. |
| 16:41.07 | Lope | (well not get rid of, just comment out) |
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| 16:44.21 | Lope | strange, KVM auto-generated a USB controller, even though I removed it from the XML file. |
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| 16:45.28 | DominikB | Lope, hardcoded maybe |
| 16:46.23 | Lope | seems so |
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| 16:47.13 | jhutchins | rozie: Summary? |
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| 16:47.53 | mindcooker | sshd doesn't start at boot after upgrade to jessie |
| 16:48.23 | valdyn | mindcooker: why do you think so? |
| 16:49.09 | mindcooker | I have to /etc/init.d/ssh start |
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| 16:50.09 | valdyn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:51.18 | rozie | Brigo, jhutchins pasting link right now. had some network issue at home |
| 16:51.52 | mindcooker | systemctl enable ssh.service |
| 16:51.56 | mindcooker | solved the problem |
| 16:51.57 | mindcooker | thanks |
| 16:52.05 | rozie | Brigo: http://ovh.ghostkeeper.mooo.com/journalctl.txt |
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| 16:55.01 | ericle | going to install jessie to vm right now... :-) |
| 16:55.23 | DominikB | ericle, good luck |
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| 16:56.45 | Brigo | rozie, there is a problem with systemd-modules-load.service |
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| 17:02.43 | teraflop | rozie: I see several errors there, unbound is misconfigured, also your cpu frequency daemon cannot load a kernel module |
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| 17:05.15 | rozie | Brigo: OK, got rid of this freq_table, rebooting... |
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| 17:07.29 | rozie | teraflop: unbound wasn't issue yet, but thanks |
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| 17:08.23 | teraflop | rozie: just curious, are you trying to setup dnssec valdation? because it cannot find the anchors |
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| 17:09.56 | rozie | teraflop: that's right |
| 17:10.20 | rozie | Brigo: removed/fixed modules, but still https://paste.debian.net/169370/ |
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| 17:12.24 | Brigo | rozie, weird. I can see why it is failing |
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| 17:13.23 | rozie | Failed to insert 'ipmi_si': No such device |
| 17:13.29 | rozie | in syslog |
| 17:13.48 | Brigo | rozie, are you using a debian kernel? |
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| 17:15.05 | rozie | Brigo: yes |
| 17:15.13 | rozie | Linux venus 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt9-3~deb8u1 (2015-04-24) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 17:15.57 | Brigo | then that module shoud be there. ls /lib/modules/3.16.0-4-amd64/kernel/drivers/char/ipmi/ipmi_si.ko |
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| 17:17.24 | teraflop | rozie: do you have some custom conf file in /etc/modules-load.d/ ' |
| 17:17.27 | teraflop | ? |
| 17:17.35 | dimitry7 | Hello guys, Do you know what happened to the lib32asound2 package in Jessie? |
| 17:17.41 | dimitry7 | I need it to install teamviewer :S |
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| 17:18.21 | towo` | dimitry7, you install the wrong package i think |
| 17:18.37 | rozie | Brigo: module is present, device isn't |
| 17:18.46 | towo` | dimitry7, you need multiarch enabled and then you have to install the i386 deb |
| 17:18.54 | rozie | teraflop: probably. it's really old system |
| 17:19.22 | dimitry7 | towo`, Im installing this: teamviewer_10.0.41499_amd64.deb. And I enabled . |
| 17:19.28 | dimitry7 | multiarch |
| 17:19.30 | towo` | dimitry7, no! |
| 17:19.31 | rozie | it was installed as Squeeze. if not even older |
| 17:19.34 | Brigo | kernel support problem, then? |
| 17:19.41 | towo` | dimitry7, you need i386 deb! |
| 17:19.49 | dimitry7 | oohh |
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| 17:19.55 | teraflop | rozie: worth to take a look, move them to other location and reboot |
| 17:20.03 | towo` | dimitry7, you should read what's written oin the doenload site! |
| 17:20.39 | rozie | nothing related to ipmi there ;/ |
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| 17:21.25 | teraflop | rozie: can you confirm the conf files there load the related modules without any issue |
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| 17:21.33 | teraflop | sorry i was asking |
| 17:21.33 | dimitry7 | towo`, you are right! |
| 17:21.34 | Brigo | grep -r impi /etc/modules-load.d |
| 17:21.46 | dimitry7 | towo`, thanks man!!! |
| 17:22.03 | nsoffer | Debian is moving to systemd - right? |
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| 17:23.17 | Brigo | nsoffer, was moving |
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| 17:23.40 | nsoffer | Brigo, what do you mean by "was? |
| 17:24.16 | Brigo | nsoffer, jessie, the last debian stable version has been launched at 25th this month with systemd as default. |
| 17:24.29 | nsoffer | great |
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| 17:25.12 | rozie | I had collectl installed. probably it tried to load ipmi modules |
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| 17:25.37 | rozie | removed this package and Main PID: 176 (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS) |
| 17:25.48 | rozie | so looks like no more module issues |
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| 17:26.20 | rozie | I will check if it helped tomorrow, as I don't have direct access right now |
| 17:26.40 | rozie | teraflop, Brigo thank you for your support! |
| 17:26.55 | Brigo | rozie, you are wellcome :) |
| 17:26.57 | teraflop | rozie: np |
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| 17:32.58 | d3lphi | hey all. I upgrade from Wheezy--to-->Jessie and "fortune -e debian-hints" doesn't work anymore. I tried to purge and reinstall the package fortunes-debian-hints but even after that it doesn't work. I checked the content (ls -lh /usr/share/games/fortunes) and there are files of debian-hints. Why doesn't that work any more? Is debian-hints deprecated/removed and in "debian" included ? |
| 17:33.32 | rozie | BTW has policy regarding modules changed in any way when systemd came? |
| 17:33.39 | kvanals | Hey folks, I just upgraded to Debian 8 on several of my servers. All has gone well except for one -- it seems like netatalk was removed from the stable repository? It seems to still be in sid and oldstable (of course) -- I'd like to stay in the repository ecosystem rather than just compiling it myself. Any recommendations? |
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| 17:34.42 | Brigo | ,v netatalk |
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| 17:34.43 | judd | Package: netatalk on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.1.2-2; wheezy: 2.2.2-1; sid: 2.2.5-1+b1 |
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| 17:35.04 | Brigo | kvanals, yes, it should be a problem with a bug. |
| 17:35.34 | rozie | kvanals: it may appear on backports later |
| 17:35.46 | rozie | I'd backport myself for now |
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| 17:36.14 | kvanals | rozie: Should I install the package from "sid" for now with apt pinning? |
| 17:36.47 | rozie | no. grab the sources from sid, build package on stable |
| 17:36.51 | rozie | that's backport |
| 17:37.01 | kvanals | rozie: Ah, got it. |
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| 17:38.06 | mete | how to check if the openssl lib is capable of AES-NI on debian? |
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| 17:40.06 | teraflop | mete: openssl engine ? |
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| 17:40.29 | rtanakaz | hi there |
| 17:40.31 | mete | yes teraflop |
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| 17:41.01 | rtanakaz | need some helpz! any help would be appreciated! |
| 17:41.08 | rtanakaz | thanks in advance!! anyone knows if is it possible to run fsck with -c flag on reboot? any sugestions to accomplish this? (i just have ssh access to machine, i cant boot to rescue cd) |
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| 17:41.30 | LarArT | hay, little problem: i just install debian jessie, install okay, then i restart and |
| 17:41.39 | rtanakaz | (did some research but having hard time to find the solution!) |
| 17:41.44 | LarArT | gnome don't start |
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| 17:41.52 | mete | LarArT: startx |
| 17:41.53 | mete | ? |
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| 17:42.10 | LarArT | nine, idem |
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| 17:42.12 | AR45 | Seems like I have 32 bit version of debian installed, can I change this within the terminal or would I have to download the correct image? |
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| 17:42.23 | Brigo | LarArT, check /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 17:42.36 | SynrG | AR45: "change"? as in cross-grade to amd64? |
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| 17:42.50 | rozie | rtanakaz: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-force-fsck-on-the-next-reboot-or-boot-sequence/ |
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| 17:43.25 | rozie | mete: http://openssl.6102.n7.nabble.com/Verify-AES-NI-use-at-runtime-td47880.html |
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| 17:43.34 | AR45 | SynrG: yes |
| 17:43.39 | SynrG | AR45: theoretically possible, but if you haven't much time/effort invested in your current install, probably not something you want to attempt unless you're doing it just for thrills. |
| 17:43.42 | SynrG | !crossgrade |
| 17:43.42 | dpkg | Converting an i386 installation into an amd64 installation in-place is quite difficult. It's much easier to reinstall the system with the new architecture -- ask me about <install debian>. If you've got good backups, plenty of time and are feeling lucky, you can try http://nanonanonano.net/linux/debian/crossgrading but really... good backups... |
| 17:43.55 | rtanakaz | rozie, thanks i'll check it |
| 17:44.06 | SynrG | AR45: short answer, "no". reinstall. |
| 17:44.07 | AR45 | I see not sure how I managed to do that. |
| 17:45.24 | AR45 | The image that I downloaded is indeed amd64 |
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| 17:46.20 | rtanakaz | rozie, was on that topic before, but i really dont understand how i could force the -c flag in it |
| 17:46.24 | rtanakaz | any sugestions? |
| 17:46.35 | SynrG | AR45: on what basis do you say "Seems like I have 32 bit version of debian installed"? |
| 17:47.38 | AR45 | dpkg: error processing archive Brackets.1.3.Extract.64-bit.deb (--install): |
| 17:47.39 | dpkg | ar45: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 17:47.40 | AR45 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:48.40 | SynrG | huh. what the heck is Brackets? |
| 17:48.54 | SynrG | anyway, please show 'uname -a' |
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| 17:49.59 | AR45 | zzz... |
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| 17:50.26 | rozie | rtanakaz: you probably can move /sbin/fsck to /sbin/realfsck and create script /sbin/fsck which runs those binary (with any parameter). not sure if that's safe... I'd just boot live and perform fsck -c |
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| 17:51.03 | Brigo | rozie, he can't |
| 17:51.46 | Plastefuchs | h |
| 17:52.03 | rozie | Brigo: which part? ;-) |
| 17:52.05 | AR45 | SynrG: http://paste.debian.net/169380/ |
| 17:52.28 | Brigo | rozie, the server is in other place he cannot reach :) |
| 17:52.30 | DominikB | why not touch /forcefsck |
| 17:52.58 | SynrG | AR45: did you use the netinst? i believe it's a combo i386/amd64 image. but you have to choose which to install. |
| 17:53.00 | Brigo | DominikB, that does not work in systemd, and you cannot pass -c option as he want to. |
| 17:53.02 | rozie | Brigo: so many ways of booting live/other system |
| 17:53.16 | rozie | rtanakaz: do you have swap partition? |
| 17:53.19 | SynrG | AR45: seems like you made a left turn when you meant to make a right, back at that first intersection :p |
| 17:53.36 | DominikB | Brigo, oh this i oversee |
| 17:53.40 | rtanakaz | thanks rozie, seems out of my capabilities.. :-/ brigo, right, i just have access trough ssh, remote machine |
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| 17:54.05 | mete | thx rozie |
| 17:54.12 | LarArT | Brigo: nothing alarming |
| 17:54.18 | rtanakaz | rozie, yes swap partition in place |
| 17:54.44 | SynrG | AR45: i.e. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.0.0/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-8.0.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso right? see it has both 'amd64' and 'i386' in the name? |
| 17:54.54 | Brigo | LarArT, so is not and X problem? |
| 17:54.55 | acz32 | SynrG: i'm pretty sure there are different netinst images for each architecture |
| 17:55.03 | SynrG | acz32: ^^ |
| 17:55.17 | acz32 | ah, yeah |
| 17:55.30 | rozie | rtanakaz: you can disable swap, make normal partition there, install Debian (with debootstrap). but not sure if fsck can work on partitions (sda1) not block devices (sda) |
| 17:55.34 | rtanakaz | dominikb, as my understanding forcefsck doesnt -c flag :-/ |
| 17:55.42 | SynrG | also, see www.debian.org big green download button with description on it "(32/64 bit PC Network Installer)" |
| 17:55.55 | rozie | rtanakaz: why do you suspect bad blocks? |
| 17:55.59 | DominikB | rtanakaz, yeah i just didn't see you like to put -c |
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| 17:56.54 | acz32 | that's pretty cool. 550MB though for a netinst image |
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| 17:57.28 | Brigo | rtanakaz, -c is for backblocks? |
| 17:57.30 | AR45 | SynrG: I downloaded the 32/64. |
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| 17:57.38 | AR45 | I thought the installer figures out the rest. |
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| 17:58.04 | srg | ash sum mismatch for two days now on ftp.ca.debian.org :-\ Is there a way I can delete/clear my local apt cache to help with this problem? (Yes, I know about httpredir.debian.org, and I don't wish to use it) |
| 17:58.11 | srg | s/ash/Hash |
| 17:58.21 | teraflop | I cant see any -c option in man fsck all I see is a -C for a progress bar |
| 17:58.24 | krasimir | hi all , trying to solve this problem. I have a webserver. the problem is that when I try to acces it locally it works , but not over WAN, tcpdump shows SYN packets sends but no ACK replies. |
| 17:58.28 | rtanakaz | rozie, in this case, fortunately, not suspecting it, at this point im trying to scheduling a badblock scan on a regular basis |
| 17:58.36 | rtanakaz | brigo, yes |
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| 17:58.51 | Brigo | rtanakaz, debian fsck does not have such option. |
| 17:58.55 | valdyn | krasimir: netstat -plunt | grep apache (or whatever your webserver is ) |
| 17:58.57 | AR45 | Question is now |
| 17:59.08 | AR45 | Do I just need to reinstall my / partition? |
| 17:59.19 | karlpinc | Brigo: fsck.e2fs has -c |
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| 17:59.52 | karlpinc | rtanakaz: Might be better to use smartmontools and ask the drive for diagnostics. |
| 18:00.06 | Brigo | rtanakaz, you can run badblock online. And you better use smartmontools |
| 18:00.16 | rozie | rtanakaz: no need for this. just monitor SMART as karlpinc says |
| 18:00.42 | krasimir | valdyn : it s nginx and it listening on all ip addresses : nestat shows : 0.0.0.0:80 |
| 18:00.51 | rozie | rtanakaz: do you have RAID? |
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| 18:01.37 | SynrG | AR45: make backups of precious configs, /home, to other media. do a fresh install. restore from backup anything that was worth saving from the first install. |
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| 18:01.57 | SynrG | and ... seconds too late :( |
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| 18:02.19 | Brigo | it's always a pitty |
| 18:02.28 | valdyn | krasimir: http://nginx.com/resources/admin-guide/restricting-access/ |
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| 18:02.31 | SynrG | when he stops pinging out, let him know |
| 18:02.51 | valdyn | krasimir: then theres your router which may or may not be there |
| 18:02.56 | SynrG | assuming it was accidental/beyond his control |
| 18:03.03 | karlpinc | krasimir: You could also check "iptables -L -v" and see that you don't have an issue with your local firewall. |
| 18:03.04 | rtanakaz | thanks all for help and answers, the remote system is beaglebone with emmc memory, not sure if smart is available or would work, got to check it |
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| 18:03.38 | rtanakaz | rozie, not raid |
| 18:03.41 | rozie | rtanakaz: smart won't work on flash |
| 18:04.01 | deego | Holy sh**. Jessie boots in a snap. Wow. (And, from what I read, it's because the great systemd doesn't bother waiting for processes to exit cleanly. :D) |
| 18:04.12 | deego | reboots* |
| 18:04.13 | rtanakaz | rozie, thanks i was suspecting it |
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| 18:04.23 | Cuecumber | sooo should i upgrade? anybody had considerable issues with that? |
| 18:04.27 | blackflow | deego: yup. :) |
| 18:04.29 | Cuecumber | either that or fresh install? |
| 18:04.45 | mtn | Cuecumber: just did upgrade, smooth as silk |
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| 18:04.48 | valdyn | deego: no its not, and sysvinit does not wait for something exiting cleanly either |
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| 18:04.54 | deego | Cuecumber: upgrade what? from wheezy to jessie? why would you fresh install a debian? The whole point of debian is continuity. :) |
| 18:04.56 | Cuecumber | ok cause i have a year-old install |
| 18:05.01 | blackflow | deego: watched my PostgreSQL log live. it was killed and downed (gracefully, but asap, no questions asked), within a second of calling 'reboot'. |
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| 18:05.05 | karlpinc | rtanakaz: Your bigger problem is going to be ensure the box is on a UPS. Unplugging flash can cause all sorts of random stuff to disappear off disk. |
| 18:05.06 | Cuecumber | deego: yeah from wheezy |
| 18:05.15 | Cuecumber | deego: well if you say so! |
| 18:05.15 | mtn | Cuecumber: mine was two years ago, when wheezy came out |
| 18:05.20 | SynrG | Cuecumber: i've continuously upgraded one system from '96 to present day |
| 18:05.26 | Cuecumber | that's awesome |
| 18:05.37 | deego | BackEndCoder: i see |
| 18:05.41 | Cuecumber | i remember back when i was running opensuse everyone on irc was like.. "you don't just upgrade this." |
| 18:05.43 | deego | blackflow* |
| 18:05.55 | rtanakaz | karlping, thanks for advice! UPS in place ;-) |
| 18:06.04 | krasimir | valdyn : no restriction on nginx , and if there was it returns forbidden headers where I don;t get any reply at all. I have also tried a direct connection without a router and have confirmed that the ISP is not blocing any ports. But the weird thing is that th packets get to the linux box , just no ACK is sent back. |
| 18:06.04 | deego | Cuecumber: i have systems continually upgraded since potato or something (2000?) |
| 18:06.18 | deego | woody* ? |
| 18:06.22 | karlpinc | rtanakaz: It's very hard to make the flash go bad with writes these days. People have tried. If you really care then run badblocks via cron. |
| 18:06.23 | mtn | Cuecumber: just make sure to read the release notes |
| 18:06.32 | valdyn | krasimir: who set up iptables on that system? |
| 18:07.13 | krasimir | this is alocal dev machine and it dpoesn't have any ip table rules , input and ouput chains are empty |
| 18:07.27 | valdyn | krasimir: hosts.deny? |
| 18:07.40 | krasimir | one sec |
| 18:08.02 | karlpinc | valdyn: nginx uses tcpwrappers? |
| 18:08.09 | rtanakaz | karpinc, yeah that was my very first solution, but as i understood the badblock scan would not be enough by itself as it would not mark the blocks as "unusable" |
| 18:08.19 | valdyn | karlpinc: by default no, as far as ican tell |
| 18:08.32 | valdyn | karlpinc: but what do I know about your system.. |
| 18:08.48 | karlpinc | valdyn: Just curious. |
| 18:08.50 | krasimir | valdyn : empty, this is a vanila debian installation. |
| 18:09.02 | krasimir | both hosts.allow and hosts.deny |
| 18:09.04 | Brigo | rtanakaz, if you have some badblocks better make a backup and buy a new disk |
| 18:09.08 | karlpinc | rtanakaz: So run fsck.e2fs with -c via cron instead. |
| 18:09.11 | SynrG | mhm |
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| 18:09.28 | karlpinc | rtanakaz: But Brigo is right. Once it starts going bad, time to get a new disk. |
| 18:09.30 | SynrG | by the time you get bad blocks, remapping only buys a small amount of time |
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| 18:09.39 | pythonsnake | hi |
| 18:09.47 | SynrG | and could give false sense of security / mask the problem if it's automated |
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| 18:10.03 | pythonsnake | is it common practice to get a domain for private services on a server? |
| 18:10.09 | rtanakaz | karpinc, thanks for sugestion, thats was also my thoughts but i believe the problem would be the mounted filesystem, right? |
| 18:10.15 | tentonbricks | to make sure I'm doing this right upgrading from wheezy to jessie, I essentially just need to update my sources to point to jessie sources, then do a apt-get dist-upgrade, right? |
| 18:10.17 | karlpinc | rtanakaz, Brigo : (Better have backups in any case! :-) |
| 18:10.25 | deego | tentonbricks: pretty much |
| 18:10.28 | Brigo | karlpinc, agree! :D |
| 18:10.38 | karlpinc | rtanakaz: No. it's a read-only test. |
| 18:11.23 | deego | tentonbricks: and, after that, if you want to keep it super clean and secure, make sure nothing no "orphans" from wheezy remain on your machine. every pkg your machine have should actually be in wheezy. |
| 18:11.32 | deego | has* |
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| 18:11.56 | rtanakaz | synrg, yeah you're right, i understand that, but it would be a kind of preventive measure |
| 18:11.57 | tentonbricks | deego: how do I make sure there are no "orphans"? |
| 18:11.58 | karlpinc | rtanakaz: You can read straight from the underlying physical device. Unless you use some spiffly flash-aware fs I suppose, that manages the remapping instead of having it done in hardware. That's not the case if you use an ext2-ish fs. |
| 18:12.15 | deego | tentonbricks: every package you have* should actually be in jessie*. dpkg --get-selections | grep -i "no available" and purge those packages. |
| 18:12.23 | karlpinc | rtanakaz: So just run badblocks and get an email when there's a problem and deal. |
| 18:12.23 | valdyn | krasimir: if we/you didnt wrongly diagnose something so far, then what remains is that your nginx server has no internet access |
| 18:12.41 | valdyn | krasimir: because some route is wrong (im not talking about cabling) |
| 18:12.55 | deego | tentonbricks: Also, make sure obsolete packages are purged, not deinstalled. that is, selections above should show you nothing "deinstalled" else they leave around their messy scripts. |
| 18:13.10 | ryouma | do you change wheezy to jessie, or is it ok to keep wheezy? |
| 18:13.28 | karlpinc | tentonbricks: No. You should really read the release notes and follow it's recommendations. |
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| 18:13.45 | karlpinc | tentonbricks: You can get away with simply changing sources, but only sometimes. |
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| 18:14.09 | krasimir | valdyn : when doing the first handshake SYN , ACK , I think only linux is involved and only after that the request is passed to the webserver ? the problem is the initial handshake I think. |
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| 18:14.23 | karlpinc | !tell tentonbricks about wheezy->jessie |
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| 18:14.30 | valdyn | krasimir: yea |
| 18:14.34 | rozie | rtanakaz: how do you want to use this box? |
| 18:14.48 | valdyn | krasimir: so, how did you verify that that webserver box has internet access? |
| 18:15.24 | rozie | rtanakaz: you can probably run from external sd card. and take a look on https://wiki.debian.org/ReadonlyRoot |
| 18:15.25 | karlpinc | krasimir: You've done a tcpdump on the nginx box and checked what's going in/out? |
| 18:15.48 | krasimir | valdyn : yes tcpdump on the debian box where nginx is installed. |
| 18:15.52 | tentonbricks | karlpinc: thanks! |
| 18:15.58 | valdyn | krasimir: thats not it |
| 18:16.14 | valdyn | krasimir: run "ping 8.8.8.8" on the nginx box |
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| 18:16.28 | tentonbricks | karlpinc: I have a pretty fresh install of debian (just installed a few weeks ago, and haven't done anything with it), so I'm thinking this should be a pretty smooth upgrade. |
| 18:16.38 | karlpinc | tentonbricks: Yup. |
| 18:16.51 | krasimir | valdyn : it is ok , and I can also run wget google.com , no problem |
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| 18:17.40 | krasimir | valdyn : let me show you pcaps |
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| 18:18.26 | rtanakaz | karlping, the fs is ext4 as far as i know |
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| 18:19.37 | karlpinc | krasimir, valdyn : Perhaps time to run lighthttpd or something, temporarily, and see what that does. No need to frob configs, just shut down nginx and start lighttpd for a test. ?? |
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| 18:20.06 | rtanakaz | karlpinc, the e2fsck with -c flag i believe it wouldnld be just read only right? |
| 18:20.11 | valdyn | karlpinc: basically a good idea, but |
| 18:20.14 | karlpinc | rtanakaz: Right. So badblocks read-only would work fine. |
| 18:20.27 | valdyn | oh hes gone |
| 18:20.57 | valdyn | i was going to say that nc -l 80 is good enough, dont need to install anything big |
| 18:21.15 | karlpinc | valdyn: Yeh. nc would be better. |
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| 18:21.36 | karlpinc | valdyn: I bet he comes back with his pcaps. |
| 18:21.37 | nickmoec1 | Hi all. Now that Jessie is out, is it impossible to install Wheezy via netinst ISO? I'm running into "Invalid Suite in Release file" from choose-mirror |
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| 18:21.55 | rtanakaz | rozie, thanks for sugestion, but i believe would brek the automation i was looking for :-/ |
| 18:22.40 | rozie | what do you want to automate? |
| 18:23.18 | krasimir | valdyn : here is request overn WAN : https://www.cloudshark.org/captures/037576c167bc and here is a local request: https://www.cloudshark.org/captures/c0252a0c99e3 |
| 18:23.33 | dontknow | is it possible disabling "fonts-liberation" for iceweasel? because that fonts make it worse font looking on some web pages |
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| 18:23.36 | rtanakaz | the process of marking the blocks "unusable" as the bad blocks are found |
| 18:23.37 | karlpinc | nickmoec1: You can still install wheezy, but you need to get the right installer. You can probably so stright to a mirrow with http and find it. If nothing else I think that archive.debian.org would have it. |
| 18:23.49 | rtanakaz | rozie: the process of marking the blocks "unusable" as the bad blocks are found |
| 18:23.57 | karlpinc | nickmoec1: But what is your real problem? Why install wheezy? |
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| 18:24.43 | rozie | rtanakaz: I believe flash driver should take care of this |
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| 18:25.47 | rozie | but it's rather hardware related. normal SSD's have spare cells, don't know if beaglebone has this too |
| 18:25.52 | srg | What's a good simple syslog daemon? I don't need any network logging or SQL or anything like that. just simple files. "Good" meaning maintained and works well/simple/fast. |
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| 18:26.01 | srg | I'm using syslog-ng right now, but it's overkill. |
| 18:26.10 | rozie | srg: rsyslog? |
| 18:26.15 | dontknow | is it possible disabling particular fonts that installed on debian? |
| 18:26.19 | srg | rozie: thanks |
| 18:26.22 | karlpinc | dontknow: You'd use ~./Xresources, or that'd be one way. |
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| 18:26.47 | dontknow | karlpinc, can you elaborate? |
| 18:26.48 | karlpinc | dontknow: "man X" has some info. |
| 18:26.51 | rozie | srg: not sure if it's lighter, but it's newer and default since some time |
| 18:26.57 | dontknow | karlpinc, ok thanks |
| 18:27.14 | karlpinc | dontknow: Otherwise, no, I forget the details. I'd have to use google. |
| 18:27.22 | valdyn | karlpinc: so dlink is your router vendor.. |
| 18:27.29 | valdyn | krasimir: ^^ |
| 18:27.32 | srg | rozie: I thought syslog-ng was default on jessie? I never installed syslog-ng specifically...maybe my upstream VPS image did though. |
| 18:27.38 | valdyn | krasimir: other than that, nothing new to see |
| 18:27.39 | dontknow | there is no "man X" help doc |
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| 18:28.08 | nickmoec1 | karlpinc: what do you mean by "the right installer"? I'm using the debian 7.8.0 netinstall ISO |
| 18:28.09 | dontknow | whatever. i am going to remove the package that requires fonts-liberation |
| 18:28.14 | krasimir | valdyn : yes , but I tried a direct connection without a router as well. |
| 18:28.22 | rtanakaz | ok rozie, thanks got to check it |
| 18:28.25 | tentonbricks | trying to do this upgrade on public wifi at work. This could take a while. |
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| 18:28.48 | dontknow | tldr fonts-liberation sucks |
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| 18:29.23 | dontknow | i believe it is default for default debian installation? |
| 18:29.30 | karlpinc | dontknow: Probably in the xorg-docs-core package. You may need to install it. |
| 18:29.30 | valdyn | krasimir: stop your ngins, run "nc -l -p 80" and try again |
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| 18:29.39 | krasimir | ok |
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| 18:30.25 | dontknow | everyone; remove fonts-liberation. you will have better fonts in web pages on iceweasel |
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| 18:30.31 | rozie | srg: well... not sure. didn't install any "serious" jessie from scratch yet |
| 18:30.39 | srg | ah ok |
| 18:30.41 | teraflop | dontknow: xD |
| 18:30.44 | srg | I've been using jessie for quite a while |
| 18:30.46 | karlpinc | nickmoec1: Ah. I mis-understood. Maybe a bug? You could always manually put in a mirror, no? |
| 18:31.10 | teraflop | dontknow: use whatever font you want, you do not need to uninstall liberation fonts |
| 18:31.26 | oo_miguel | I just compiled and installed a new gcc (in a custom directory) but cc still points to the old one. /usr/bin/cc is managed by update-alternatives and I wonder what the most elegant/correct way to change this for a single user? |
| 18:32.27 | rozie | oo_miguel: take a look on EXPORT CC |
| 18:32.30 | teraflop | oo_miguel: for a single user? do some exports in your profile |
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| 18:32.54 | rozie | export CC, even |
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| 18:37.27 | karlpinc | krasimir, valdyn: Since we're checking all the boxes here it'd be good to know the command that produced the dumps. |
| 18:37.34 | oo_miguel | rozie & krasimir: thank you, I will try to solve it with the exports |
| 18:37.49 | rozie | I'd chroot ;-) |
| 18:38.08 | karlpinc | rozie: lxc! |
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| 18:38.17 | oo_miguel | rozie: but with chroot I will also need to provide *everything* else beside the compiler and binutils, right? |
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| 18:40.53 | AR45 | Need some assistance with a strange problem |
| 18:41.12 | NoImNotNineVolt | that does sound strange. |
| 18:41.30 | oo_miguel | rozie: ah, I see.. thats what debootsrap would do for me |
| 18:41.39 | AR45 | http://imgur.com/etafgZO |
| 18:42.15 | valdyn | AR45: hit ctrl-alt-f4 |
| 18:42.20 | NoImNotNineVolt | probably some form of malware. i can't imagine what else would cause your computer to post unknown links to imgur. |
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| 18:42.31 | karlpinc | valdyn, krasimir : Have we seen the routing table on the nginx box? It seems to not be responding to the SYN packets at all. Is there no default route? |
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| 18:42.47 | valdyn | karlpinc: he sais he can ping 8.8.8.8 |
| 18:42.53 | krasimir | valdyn : the nc doesn't show some info when doing a local request , but nothing when over WAN |
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| 18:43.16 | valdyn | krasimir: the nc process should terminate after the connection attempt |
| 18:43.32 | valdyn | krasimir: if that nc process terminates then things are ok |
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| 18:44.45 | AR45 | valdyn: http://paste.debian.net/169399/ |
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| 18:44.50 | karlpinc | krasimir: I suspect a wonky iptables. You've done a "iptables -L -v" to see everything? |
| 18:45.15 | krasimir | karlpinc : iptables are empty , this is vanila debian install |
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| 18:45.44 | valdyn | AR45: alt-f2, run "dpkg --configure -a" |
| 18:46.00 | karlpinc | krasimir: Yes. You said that, but I was interested in just how you checked that iptables was empty. Just in case. |
| 18:46.06 | AR45 | valdyn: it seems that there isn't any space on /boot |
| 18:46.09 | valdyn | AR45: what kind of system is this? |
| 18:46.19 | valdyn | AR45: ok, thats a problem, duh |
| 18:46.21 | AR45 | valdyn: I made it 10MB because I thought this was for grub boot oader |
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| 18:46.36 | NoImNotNineVolt | i've been in that boat before. |
| 18:46.37 | valdyn | AR45: why are you even making /boot a seperate partition? |
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| 18:46.51 | NoImNotNineVolt | i ended up formatting and starting with a sane partition table. |
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| 18:47.03 | AR45 | valdyn: I put it on my HDD rather than my SSD |
| 18:47.20 | AR45 | valdyn: I thought this was for grub bootloader |
| 18:47.30 | valdyn | AR45: among other things |
| 18:47.34 | krasimir | karlpinc : with iptables -L -v |
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| 18:47.42 | karlpinc | krasimir: :-( |
| 18:47.50 | valdyn | AR45: this is silly, just put it all on one partition |
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| 18:48.05 | krasimir | valdyn : yes it terminates |
| 18:48.06 | valdyn | AR45: and use just one extra partition for /home |
| 18:48.13 | AR45 | valdyn: I deleted that partition so it should load on my ssd now |
| 18:48.21 | krasimir | valdyn : and not doing anything when I do a request via WAN. |
| 18:48.30 | AR45 | I use extra partition for /home /tmp /usr/log /usr/tmp |
| 18:48.35 | AR45 | these are stored on my HDD |
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| 18:48.44 | krasimir | valdyn: so I will continue troubleshooting what might be blocking it. |
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| 18:49.04 | krasimir | valdyn : will try a direct connection again without any router. |
| 18:49.12 | valdyn | krasimir: probably your router |
| 18:49.14 | AR45 | ha ha |
| 18:49.31 | krasimir | valdyn : will report back in 30min |
| 18:49.35 | valdyn | krasimir: debian will not let the SYN go unanswered even if nothing is listening |
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| 18:49.58 | karlpinc | valdyn: That's good to know. I never tried that. |
| 18:50.02 | krasimir | valdyn : but why do I see the SYN packets in the debian box then ? |
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| 18:50.12 | valdyn | krasimir: good point |
| 18:50.19 | valdyn | krasimir: maybe its a funny virtual machine |
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| 18:50.26 | krasimir | let me do another trace |
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| 18:50.56 | valdyn | krasimir: thus it would not be a default debian kernel that runs your ip stack |
| 18:51.13 | DammitJim | anyone have a Debian file server joined to an AD domain and serving home folders for users? |
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| 18:51.20 | DammitJim | I"m struggling to get this to work |
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| 18:51.29 | valdyn | DammitJim: its really easy |
| 18:51.31 | DammitJim | I've been reading sssd, but I don't know if that's the proper way to go |
| 18:51.33 | krasimir | valdyn : I will check that as well |
| 18:51.41 | valdyn | DammitJim: you dont need sssd for that |
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| 18:51.47 | DammitJim | valdyn, do you mind sharing what document(s) I should follow |
| 18:51.49 | karlpinc | DammitJim: I always poke it with a stick and it works. The samba.org wiki is a help. |
| 18:51.58 | DammitJim | hhhhmmmm |
| 18:52.03 | valdyn | DammitJim: the samba4 howto at the official site |
| 18:52.04 | DammitJim | what does one use instead of sssd? |
| 18:52.10 | valdyn | DammitJim: nothing |
| 18:52.14 | DammitJim | hhmmmm |
| 18:52.40 | DammitJim | what version of Debian should I be using? |
| 18:52.44 | acz32 | will someone changing their sources.list to debian 8 sources and doing a dist-upgrade get systemd or must that be installed and configured separately? |
| 18:52.48 | valdyn | DammitJim: sssd maps user id values to names, thats useful when you want to run "ls -l" and want to see names instead of numbers |
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| 18:53.13 | valdyn | DammitJim: but its totally irrelevant for the remote machines accessing files via samba |
| 18:53.37 | karlpinc | DammitJim: That always depends, but sooner or later you'll need to upgrade to jessie, since that's what's stable now. I wouldn't think the version really matters much but haven't tried with jessie. |
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| 18:54.00 | valdyn | DammitJim: (of course it manages logging in too, but thats even more irrelevant) for samba |
| 18:54.01 | DammitJim | I'm on Jessie now |
| 18:54.08 | karlpinc | acz32: See the release notes. It's in there. |
| 18:54.26 | DammitJim | https://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Samba_&_Active_Directory#Windows_2003_R2_Active_Directory |
| 18:54.27 | DammitJim | that? |
| 18:54.46 | valdyn | DammitJim: yea, that |
| 18:54.52 | axel_fly | debian group Thank you! |
| 18:54.58 | axel_fly | for debian |
| 18:55.06 | valdyn | DammitJim: where are you having problems? |
| 18:55.37 | valdyn | DammitJim: which operating system is your domain controller(s)? |
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| 18:55.43 | DammitJim | 2012 R2 |
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| 18:55.49 | valdyn | DammitJim: ok |
| 18:55.53 | karlpinc | DammitJim: Jessie sounds like a safe choice. I'm no samba expert. |
| 18:56.05 | valdyn | DammitJim: then you cant use a samba dc, but thats ok |
| 18:56.09 | DammitJim | issues with managing the folders... like /home/DOMAIN/dammitjim should be read/write by a domain admin |
| 18:56.14 | DammitJim | right now, the domain admin can't write |
| 18:56.22 | DammitJim | that's why I was looking to do it with sssd as an alternative |
| 18:56.26 | valdyn | DammitJim: uh |
| 18:56.31 | valdyn | DammitJim: forget about sssd for now |
| 18:56.32 | DammitJim | I can't use samba dc? |
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| 18:56.45 | karlpinc | DammitJim: I do recall that you want ntp installed. If your clock is wrong bad things happen. |
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| 18:56.52 | valdyn | DammitJim: samba dc cannot work with ms server 2012, that is right |
| 18:56.57 | DammitJim | yeah, I have ntp synching |
| 18:57.10 | valdyn | DammitJim: do your shares have "read only = no" ? |
| 18:57.11 | RoyK | hm... seems bridged networking for VMs (libvirt/kvm) won't work after upgrading to jessie - any ideas? |
| 18:57.12 | DammitJim | what do you mean by samba dc? |
| 18:57.17 | DammitJim | samba domain controller? |
| 18:57.22 | valdyn | DammitJim: of course, yes |
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| 18:57.49 | DammitJim | valdyn, the shares where? |
| 18:57.50 | karlpinc | RoyK: Anything in the Jessie release notes? (I've not looked.) |
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| 18:58.01 | DammitJim | like ls -l /home/DOMAIN ? |
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| 18:58.15 | valdyn | DammitJim: the ones you cannot write to |
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| 18:58.44 | RoyK | karlpinc: can't find anything |
| 18:59.02 | DammitJim | drwxr-x--- 8 amowbray domain admins 4096 Apr 20 17:45 dammitjim |
| 18:59.10 | valdyn | DammitJim: in smb.conf |
| 18:59.12 | DammitJim | sorry, I changed amowbray to dammitjim |
| 18:59.14 | DammitJim | oh |
| 18:59.14 | RoyK | karlpinc: briding worked well on wheezy - it still works from the host, but the guests don't get connected |
| 18:59.18 | DammitJim | let me see |
| 18:59.33 | valdyn | DammitJim: this share seems to have no acl |
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| 18:59.57 | DammitJim | valdyn, you are right... I think I might have reset permissions in my frustration |
| 19:00.01 | valdyn | DammitJim: are you going to use acl from windows or manage permissions in samba? |
| 19:00.12 | DammitJim | valdyn, whatever is easiest |
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| 19:00.22 | DammitJim | my boss wants me to manage this from Windows, but I Don't care at this point |
| 19:00.42 | DammitJim | read only = no |
| 19:01.28 | valdyn | DammitJim: now, make that share world read- and writable in linux |
| 19:01.38 | valdyn | DammitJim: *then* fix permissions from windows |
| 19:02.26 | DammitJim | so, change it to drwxrwxrwx ? |
| 19:02.33 | valdyn | https://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Setup_and_configure_file_shares_with_Windows_ACLs |
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| 19:02.47 | valdyn | follow that link |
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| 19:02.57 | DammitJim | I had been reading that link |
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| 19:03.14 | valdyn | so? got sediskoperatorprivilege ? |
| 19:03.21 | DammitJim | yes |
| 19:03.35 | DammitJim | let me try again and show you what I got... it was a security permission |
| 19:03.46 | valdyn | dontknow: ok, change those permissions as you showed, *then* set permissions from windows |
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| 19:03.52 | PiArKid | good evening |
| 19:03.56 | DammitJim | but I still don't understand the part where you are asking me to set it world readable? |
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| 19:04.05 | DammitJim | oh ok |
| 19:04.09 | DammitJim | hold on |
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| 19:04.26 | DammitJim | but do I do that to the /home/DOMAIN folder |
| 19:04.31 | DammitJim | or to the folder per user? |
| 19:04.46 | DammitJim | drwxrwx--T+ 7 root domain users 4096 Feb 10 12:53 DOMAIN |
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| 19:04.48 | valdyn | DammitJim: i would put user folders away for now |
| 19:04.48 | DammitJim | that's what it is right now |
| 19:05.23 | PiArKid | I successfully installed Debian Jessie but then after boot up, I just end up with a black screen. GRUB boot loader runs and I select Debian and the kernel boots and I can see the kernel outputting to the screen for a few seconds, but then (presumably as it booting into GNOME), the screen goes black |
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| 19:05.41 | PiArKid | I have tried to press CTRL + ALT + F1 to switch to the console so that I can try and resolve the issue from there, but this does not work |
| 19:05.48 | johnfg | Can one upgrade from wheezy directly to jessie? |
| 19:05.54 | PiArKid | the only option open to me seems to be to press CTRL + ALT + DEL which resets the system |
| 19:06.03 | nkuttler | !tell johnfg about wheezy->jessie |
| 19:06.10 | PiArKid | can anyone advise how I can go about resolving this problem? |
| 19:06.53 | nkuttler | PiArKid: some special hardware/keyboard involved? |
| 19:06.55 | PiArKid | I have an ATI Radeon 5700 HD, which I assumed would be supported by the Linux kernel. The only caveat is that I have 2 screens plugged into it |
| 19:06.57 | johnfg | nkuttler: Thanks. Just what I needed. |
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| 19:07.27 | PiArKid | nkuttler: I have a Microsoft Sidewinder keyboard. CTRL + ALT + DEL works to reset, but not CTRL + ALT + F1 |
| 19:07.32 | DammitJim | valdyn, in Security, I have my Domain Admins with full control in security and Share Permissions |
| 19:07.46 | PiArKid | let me see if I can find some information from the kernel log |
| 19:07.51 | nkuttler | PiArKid: was just asking because on some keyboard you need to push some "fn" key for Fn |
| 19:08.25 | DammitJim | but I get the "You need permission to perform this action" when I try to create a folder |
| 19:08.27 | nkuttler | PiArKid: fwiw, i'd try with a single monitor, or boot into recovery mode |
| 19:08.54 | PiArKid | I've tried Recovery mode and it didn't work. I haven't tried unplugging a monitor yet |
| 19:08.57 | valdyn | DammitJim: see setup share permissions in the howto... |
| 19:09.07 | rozie | PiArKid: try to switch to text console ctrl-alt-F1 |
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| 19:09.27 | rozie | or to connect via ssh to check logs |
| 19:09.33 | nkuttler | PiArKid: or boot with vga=791 or somesuch |
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| 19:10.02 | DammitJim | valdyn, I did.. I gave the everyone full control, then in security |
| 19:10.19 | DammitJim | Domain Admins Full Control in security |
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| 19:11.25 | PiArKid | rozie: I've already tried CTRL + ALT + F1 and that isn't working for some reason |
| 19:11.42 | PiArKid | I've just mounted my Linux partition and had a look at the /var/log/messages file |
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| 19:11.47 | valdyn | DammitJim: why is T set ? |
| 19:11.51 | PiArKid | Apr 26 18:53:29 lunatic gdm-Xorg-:5[834]: (EE) FBDEV(0): FBIOPUTCMAP: Device or resource busy |
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| 19:11.55 | DammitJim | https://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Setting_up_a_home_share |
| 19:12.03 | PiArKid | Apr 26 18:53:29 lunatic gdm-Xorg-:5[834]: (II) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI2 capable |
| 19:12.04 | PiArKid | Apr 26 18:53:29 lunatic gdm-Xorg-:5[834]: (EE) AIGLX: reverting to software rendering |
| 19:12.11 | DammitJim | that's actually what I used the other night |
| 19:12.24 | PiArKid | Apr 26 18:53:29 lunatic gdm-Xorg-:5[834]: (EE) 9: /usr/bin/Xorg (0x7eff85984000+0x4590e) [0x7eff859c990e] |
| 19:12.24 | PiArKid | Apr 26 18:53:29 lunatic gdm-Xorg-:5[834]: (EE) |
| 19:12.24 | PiArKid | Apr 26 18:53:29 lunatic gdm-Xorg-:5[834]: (EE) Segmentation fault at address 0xa0 |
| 19:12.24 | PiArKid | Apr 26 18:53:29 lunatic gdm-Xorg-:5[834]: (EE) |
| 19:12.24 | PiArKid | Apr 26 18:53:29 lunatic gdm-Xorg-:5[834]: Fatal server error: |
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| 19:12.55 | DammitJim | valdyn, not sure to be honest |
| 19:13.02 | DammitJim | let me check the acl there |
| 19:13.03 | PiArKid | I'll try unplugging one of the screens and see what happens |
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| 19:13.11 | PiArKid | thanks for the assistance guys |
| 19:13.18 | valdyn | DammitJim: just make a new directory in linux, chmod 777, then fix permissions in windows |
| 19:13.35 | DammitJim | oh, so it should be 777? |
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| 19:13.45 | valdyn | DammitJim: not necessarily |
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| 19:13.58 | valdyn | DammitJim: but nothing wrong with it for now |
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| 19:14.20 | DammitJim | http://pastebin.com/KXfk0iGD |
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| 19:15.02 | DammitJim | valdyn, do you mean for me to delete that directory and create it again? |
| 19:15.24 | valdyn | DammitJim: i certainly dont want to read and parse acl lists, so yea |
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| 19:15.34 | valdyn | DammitJim: (for me thats easier, i guess for you too) |
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| 19:15.56 | DammitJim | valdyn, argh... I need to get people off the share (some people who were helping me test) |
| 19:16.03 | DammitJim | thank you, though |
| 19:16.06 | DammitJim | I need a sandbox |
| 19:16.32 | valdyn | DammitJim: just make one... renaming later is easy |
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| 19:16.45 | DammitJim | oh ok |
| 19:16.53 | DammitJim | but there won't be a share in samba |
| 19:16.58 | DammitJim | or will I have to create that as well? |
| 19:17.05 | valdyn | DammitJim: of course |
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| 19:17.28 | Roberth1990 | when installing intel-microcode in jessie, will it be enabled automatically, so I just need to reboot? |
| 19:17.31 | valdyn | DammitJim: nvm, maybe you dont want to rename |
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| 19:17.46 | valdyn | DammitJim: if you do, you have to fix the first permissions (not in security) |
| 19:17.51 | DammitJim | valdyn, appreciate the help... let me configure another VM and I'll be back |
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| 19:18.03 | DammitJim | a true sandbox is what I need |
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| 19:18.31 | DammitJim | just to make sure, though... I don't want to set up an NFS server, right? |
| 19:18.39 | valdyn | i only had problems with sediskpermissions ;) |
| 19:18.40 | DammitJim | for home folders that's proabaly not appropriate? |
| 19:19.05 | Filystyn | wow more peopel here than on official oftc debian channel |
| 19:19.06 | Filystyn | so basicly what should i DO to be able on debian to see a fucking wide char??? |
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| 19:19.15 | valdyn | DammitJim: i dont know |
| 19:19.23 | DammitJim | ok |
| 19:19.27 | valdyn | DammitJim: but samba is easy once you can manage the share from windows |
| 19:19.33 | DammitJim | I got ya |
| 19:19.46 | DammitJim | I'll follow the samba wiki on a new VM |
| 19:19.54 | DammitJim | and see that it gets configured |
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| 19:20.25 | vhuren | Hey guys, I just upgraded to jessie and having a ton of problems with video drivers. I have an ATI card and I was using the fglrx driver prior to but now I dont even know what is happening. Could I install the firmware-linux-nonfree package? is that compatible with jessie? |
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| 19:20.41 | valdyn | DammitJim: winbind has to be running for permission granting to work. Other than that the howto just works I think |
| 19:21.02 | DammitJim | I don't remember, but does the wiki also tell you how to join the server to the domain? |
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| 19:21.23 | valdyn | DammitJim: net rpc join |
| 19:21.33 | karlpinc | vhuren: Enable non-free in your /etc/apt/sources.list and install the jessie version. |
| 19:21.39 | valdyn | DammitJim: yea it does anyway |
| 19:22.01 | moozzz | vhuren: yes, firmware-linux-nonfree is compatible with jessie |
| 19:22.05 | Filystyn | so basicly what should i DO to be able on debian to see a fucking wide char??? |
| 19:22.06 | vhuren | karlpinc: I did and I installed that package but it was still causing issues |
| 19:22.16 | Filystyn | wcout << L'ó' not working |
| 19:22.17 | valdyn | DammitJim: skip "Make domain users/groups available locally through Winbind " |
| 19:22.19 | Filystyn | locales are set |
| 19:22.26 | valdyn | DammitJim: thats not needed on jessie anyway |
| 19:22.42 | karlpinc | vhuren: I can't say, but occasionally I've upgraded and needed a different video driver. |
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| 19:23.10 | otyugh | hey there. I had some critical error a few time ago that necessited a violent reboot. How can I see the logs before the reboot ? |
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| 19:23.16 | karlpinc | vhuren: There might be notes regards issues in the jessie release notes, can't say. |
| 19:23.30 | DammitJim | valdyn, if you don't mind, which wiki is the first one I need to follow? |
| 19:23.34 | vhuren | karlpinc: okay I'll keep playing with this |
| 19:23.37 | DammitJim | the one for net rpc join right? |
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| 19:23.45 | valdyn | DammitJim: https://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Samba_&_Active_Directory#Windows_2003_R2_Active_Directory |
| 19:24.00 | karlpinc | otyugh: They are there in /var/log/. If they didn't hit the disk then they are gone. If you want to know how to capture such in the future the answer is to use a serial console. |
| 19:24.04 | DammitJim | got it, thanks |
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| 19:24.08 | valdyn | DammitJim: then from there follow the link to setup and configure shares |
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| 19:24.32 | valdyn | DammitJim: the pam / getent stuff does not need to work, but appearantly you did set that up |
| 19:24.36 | karlpinc | vhuren: I can't recall if there's anything useful in dmesg. I think maybe not and I looked in the X log in /var/log/ |
| 19:24.36 | valdyn | DammitJim: which is of course ok |
| 19:24.50 | DammitJim | oh ok |
| 19:24.53 | DammitJim | no pam /getent |
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| 19:25.01 | DammitJim | dammit, this other VM is so outdated |
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| 19:26.20 | donofrio | anyone got a few min to help me troublshoot my sound issue - http://paste.debian.net/169409/ |
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| 19:27.32 | karlpinc | Filystyn: Perhaps "dpkg-reconfigure locales"? This is just a guess. |
| 19:27.47 | Filystyn | thx that is allways some hint |
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| 19:29.10 | Filystyn | should i take iso since i got utf allready? |
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| 19:31.07 | Filystyn | well it did not work |
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| 19:35.23 | ins3 | Hi, I have /dev/sda3 and /dev/root (/dev/sda3 1.8T 68M 1.7T 1% /home /dev/root 20G 3.4G 15G 19% /) - I want to change the places. I want the /dev/sda3 to be /dev/root, since it's 1.8T.. How can I do this? |
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| 19:37.07 | valdyn | ins3: thats silly |
| 19:37.15 | valdyn | ins3: 20G for / is good |
| 19:37.16 | ins3 | what's silly valdyn |
| 19:37.31 | ins3 | I've installed nginx on / |
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| 19:37.36 | ins3 | and I can't access /dev/sda3 from it |
| 19:38.08 | valdyn | ins3: shrink your sda3, create another partition, put your nginx stuff on that |
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| 19:38.29 | valdyn | ins3: or just create a /home/nginx |
| 19:38.36 | ins3 | guess I could do that |
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| 19:40.38 | AR45 | Guys what's libgcrypt11 |
| 19:40.51 | AR45 | & how can it be installed on debian8? |
| 19:40.53 | valdyn | AR45: "apt-cache show libgcrypt11" |
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| 19:41.44 | AR45 | valdyn: apt-cache cannot display this package |
| 19:41.49 | ins3 | is there any way to completely remove that partition and assign it /dev/root valdyn? |
| 19:41.50 | AR45 | valdyn: it is purely virtual |
| 19:42.04 | valdyn | AR45: you probably need to run "apt-get update" once |
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| 19:43.16 | AR45 | valdyn: Can't select versions from package 'libgcrypt11' as it is purely virtual. |
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| 19:43.35 | valdyn | judd: versions libgcrypt11 |
| 19:43.36 | judd | Package: libgcrypt11 on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 1.4.5-2+squeeze1; squeeze: 1.4.5-2+squeeze1; squeeze-security-lts: 1.4.5-2+squeeze3; wheezy: 1.5.0-5+deb7u2; wheezy-proposed-updates: 1.5.0-5+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 1.5.0-5+deb7u3 |
| 19:43.48 | valdyn | uh |
| 19:43.49 | valdyn | ok |
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| 19:44.22 | valdyn | AR45: ok, its at libgcrypt20 now, why do you need it? |
| 19:44.35 | AR45 | valdyn: I went ahead and installed that already guess what |
| 19:44.36 | AR45 | No luck |
| 19:44.48 | AR45 | I downloaded the brackets.deb from brackets.io |
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| 19:45.00 | AR45 | valdyn: and I'm trying to install it with dpkg |
| 19:45.05 | valdyn | AR45: they obviously dont support jessie |
| 19:45.06 | AR45 | valdyn: It just wouldn't work. |
| 19:45.21 | valdyn | AR45: compile yourself, ask them and/or wait for jessie support |
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| 19:46.21 | AR45 | valdyn: I see! |
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| 19:46.35 | maurer | Is anyone familiar with a reason archvsync would just not seem to be downloading stretch? It's possible my cronjob is borked somehow so I'm rerunning the script manually, but I'm wondering if maybe there's somewhere that may be preventing the sync |
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| 19:47.40 | Filystyn | what default terminal uses debian? x11? |
| 19:47.50 | Filystyn | demit not sure i remember the prop name |
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| 19:48.20 | donofrio | anyone got a few min to help me troubleshoot my sound issue - http://paste.debian.net/169413/ (just disto-updated just in case still no sound) |
| 19:48.22 | valdyn | Filystyn: maybe one could say the default is gnome-terminal, but who cares about the default |
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| 19:48.57 | AR45 | valdyn: Well that's gay. |
| 19:49.06 | AR45 | valdyn: They don't even include how to build it. |
| 19:49.07 | Filystyn | well i need to find irc for that silly terminal |
| 19:49.10 | Filystyn | if thereis |
| 19:49.23 | maurer | Filystyn: irc is not usually per terminal |
| 19:49.32 | maurer | Filystyn: if you are looking for a terminal irc client, irssi and weechat are both popular |
| 19:50.03 | maurer | AR45: Dunno if this channel has a rule about it, but it's generally considered poor form to use gay as a pejorative. |
| 19:50.10 | Filystyn | nah i think this is misunderstanding |
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| 19:50.30 | donofrio | maurer: I was gonna say something glad others noticed as well.... |
| 19:50.31 | Filystyn | basicly there is chance my console doe snot support wide chars and im trying to figure out how to "enable it" |
| 19:50.44 | AR45 | well that's "straight" |
| 19:50.44 | maurer | Filystyn: Ah, are you looking for unicode support? |
| 19:50.54 | ins3 | where would the space go if I deleted a partion? |
| 19:50.55 | Filystyn | might be |
| 19:51.04 | AR45 | funny how there's no rule against that |
| 19:51.04 | maurer | Filystyn: I use https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=rxvt-unicode |
| 19:51.05 | tuxcrafter | http://paste.debian.net/169415/ < my server keeps hanging at that stage after upgrading to debian 8 |
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| 19:51.15 | maurer | Filystyn: but there are many alternatives |
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| 19:51.38 | tuxcrafter | how do i figure out what its doing |
| 19:51.46 | AR45 | two straightment get into a verbal dispute on the street calling each other "faggot" and "gay" officer arrives and breaks it up |
| 19:51.56 | donofrio | dmesg output @ http://paste.debian.net/169417/ |
| 19:52.16 | AR45 | straight man gets into a fight with a gay man on the street and uses the word "faggot" "gay" in the verbal dispute officer arrives, "hate crime" |
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| 19:52.37 | maurer | AR45: if you want to discuss political or social issues, this is not the place. I was just asking that you be polite. |
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| 19:53.59 | Filystyn | not working omg.... |
| 19:54.03 | donofrio | http://paste.debian.net/169418/ |
| 19:54.07 | Filystyn | im slowly out of ideas |
| 19:54.15 | donofrio | my messages @ http://paste.debian.net/169418/ |
| 19:54.25 | Filystyn | well maurer thx anyway |
| 19:54.29 | maurer | tuxcrafter: I have very little idea bout systemd, but sounds like you want to look at the lsb unit? |
| 19:54.38 | maurer | Filystyn: rxvt-unicode does not work for you? |
| 19:55.18 | DammitJim | what is used on jessie to set up ntpd? |
| 19:55.23 | Filystyn | i dont get wide chars ;/ |
| 19:55.41 | Filystyn | all multibyte utf-8 works like hell but not wide chars. |
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| 19:56.31 | heurist | DammitJim: I think systemd or cronie handle ntp internally |
| 19:56.38 | maurer | Filystyn: What encoding are you trying to use? |
| 19:56.38 | SynrG | Filystyn: urxvt is known to have wide chars issues |
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| 19:56.53 | SynrG | Use something else |
| 19:56.58 | maurer | SynrG can take over I guess :P |
| 19:57.05 | Filystyn | i just want to wcout << L'ó' a polish letter |
| 19:57.08 | SynrG | gnome-terminal perhaps |
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| 19:57.17 | Filystyn | just wanted try to use wide char |
| 19:57.23 | SynrG | urxvt also hates RTL |
| 19:57.42 | Filystyn | gnome terminal = ? |
| 19:58.08 | Filystyn | maybe i should not use kate build in terminal at all? |
| 19:58.10 | valdyn | DammitJim: run timedatectl |
| 19:58.26 | DammitJim | ok, I just installed ntp |
| 19:58.32 | valdyn | DammitJim: that works too |
| 19:58.41 | DammitJim | thanks, though... now I know I can do timedatectl |
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| 19:59.13 | Filystyn | if your talking about basic terminal i just used it and it faild |
| 19:59.16 | SynrG | Filystyn: it's the one i know wide chars works in |
| 19:59.34 | SynrG | Doesn't mean it's the only one |
| 19:59.57 | Filystyn | well i have it and it fails just checked it. |
| 20:00.15 | SynrG | gnome-terminal? Sad |
| 20:00.20 | SynrG | I thought it used to |
| 20:00.41 | SynrG | Granted i have not evaluated in years |
| 20:00.51 | heurist | Filystyn: make sure you are using a font that has the character you want, the terminal can not help you much if your font is wrong. |
| 20:01.02 | SynrG | True that |
| 20:01.35 | Filystyn | it has multibyte char i want (polish chars work on it) so... |
| 20:01.51 | Filystyn | would still wide make problem? |
| 20:02.02 | Filystyn | how do i even change font lol |
| 20:02.19 | beardy | A friend of mine was trying to run a .jar by clicking on it in Gnome. Does any gnome user know if .jar is not associated with the "java" binary in gnome? For him it didn't launch it anyway.. |
| 20:02.23 | valdyn | Filystyn: you dont need to change font |
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| 20:03.53 | jhutchins | beardy: *nix doesn't associate filetypes with extensions, although some things like file managers and browsers do. |
| 20:04.14 | Filystyn | can i apt-get install all fonts simply? |
| 20:04.28 | jhutchins | beardy: You would need to set the mimetype for that file. Use "Open With" and set it to remember to use java. |
| 20:04.29 | beardy | jhutchins: Yeah.. I know. XFCE does. |
| 20:04.45 | valdyn | Filystyn: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/ucs/examples/UTF-8-demo.txt |
| 20:04.47 | jhutchins | beardy: You mean thunar? |
| 20:05.07 | beardy | jhutchins: But being the major "desktop" I'd thought it was defaulted.. or fixed with the package. |
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| 20:05.38 | valdyn | Filystyn: that file should work perfectly in gnome-terminal |
| 20:05.38 | jhutchins | beardy: Probably because therer are multiple ways to handle jar files, not all of them are excutable files like js. |
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| 20:06.00 | beardy | jhutchins: No, an icon on the desktop.. but perhaps I remember incorrectly. |
| 20:06.23 | Filystyn | valdyn i want wide chars not multibyte... |
| 20:06.30 | jhutchins | beardy: An icon on the desktop is a shortcut - it specifies what to open a file with. |
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| 20:06.41 | jhutchins | beardy: Unless it's an actual file... |
| 20:06.45 | Filystyn | can i apt-get fonts like download all and never ever care |
| 20:06.58 | otyugh | I have plenty of #666666 colors in a text file. Is there a software that could help me interprete what theses hex are translated into color, simply ? |
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| 20:07.37 | valdyn | Filystyn: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3130407/c-wide-characters-outputting-incorrectly |
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| 20:08.02 | beardy | jhutchins: Yes, perhaps it was a shortcut.. I'll have him do the "Open with". Thanks. |
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| 20:08.43 | beardy | Filystyn: Yes. Which fonts though? |
| 20:08.54 | Filystyn | polish. |
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| 20:08.55 | beardy | Filystyn: There are many font packages. |
| 20:08.58 | Filystyn | wide chars |
| 20:09.03 | Filystyn | and i did define locale |
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| 20:09.30 | valdyn | Filystyn: it still ends up as UTF-8 because if that locale. AT least i dont know about any wchar locale |
| 20:09.44 | karlpinc | Filystyn: You might need to logout and back in again after changing locale. Dunno. |
| 20:09.58 | valdyn | Filystyn: so you see if it can print polish and *then* you fix your C code |
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| 20:10.10 | valdyn | karlpinc: you dont |
| 20:10.45 | Filystyn | right locale is for utf-8 im kind of messed up ;) |
| 20:11.22 | Filystyn | btw kate terminal gives othere output on wide chars than gnome-terminal. |
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| 20:12.07 | beardy | Using the same font? |
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| 20:13.02 | Filystyn | now idea |
| 20:13.07 | Filystyn | no idea** |
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| 20:13.40 | jhutchins | otyugh: http://web.forret.com/tools/color_palette.asp |
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| 20:14.12 | jhutchins | otyugh: https://www.easycalculation.com/color-coder.php |
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| 20:14.47 | lophos_ | Please can you confirm that simply deinstaling (remove, not purge) mysql-server and mysql-client and installing mariadb-server and client in debian jessie is enough to migrate? is it really so easy? has anyone tested it? |
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| 20:15.13 | valdyn | sounds unlikely ( i have no idea ) |
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| 20:16.18 | lophos_ | I read that in the mariadb documentation, I just want to hear some experiences since I'm working in a production server |
| 20:16.49 | ntars | lophos_: Actually I have don that on a BSD machine, can not confirm for Debian, on BSD it worked |
| 20:17.38 | heurist | lophos_: you might need to do a mysql-upgrade (might be called something else) to get the database updated to correct version, but it works as a drop in replacement on other systems. I have not tested on debian, just gentoo. |
| 20:17.39 | karlpinc | lophos_: The readme.debian for mariadb might be helpful. It should have info it it's different that "stock". |
| 20:17.48 | karlpinc | !tell lophos_about readme.debian |
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| 20:18.51 | lophos_ | Thank you. In the documentation I read that it's necessary something like mysql_upgrade but dpkg maybe runs it . I'll test it tonight |
| 20:19.22 | heurist | lophos_: backup before you do that, then you can reinstall mysql if it does not work. |
| 20:19.26 | lophos_ | sure |
| 20:20.07 | lophos_ | php5-mysql is the same? |
| 20:20.38 | simplyy | Hello, when i have a look at my services --status-all 'deluge-deamon' is still listed, I have done a remove --purge of all deluge paquet, how can I delete this service who is useless ? |
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| 20:21.09 | heurist | lophos_: I would guess so, it is still a mysql database, just using a different program to run it. |
| 20:21.17 | lophos_ | thanks |
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| 20:23.52 | heurist | simplyy: the release notes talk about that sort of issue, maybe look at https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#purge-removed-packages |
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| 20:24.30 | karlpinc | lophos_: Don't see anything here: http://sources.debian.net/src/mariadb-10.0/10.0.16-1/debian/mariadb-server-10.0.README.Debian/ |
| 20:24.51 | karlpinc | (I wonder why they made sources.debian.net instead of sources.debian.org?) |
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| 20:24.58 | DammitJim | valdyn, did you say to not worry about the Winbind part? |
| 20:25.14 | karlpinc | DammitJim: That's what I recall he said. |
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| 20:25.25 | DammitJim | I recall him saying something about pam |
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| 20:25.35 | lophos_ | thank you karlpinc |
| 20:26.00 | lophos_ | I have a live site and I want the offtime to be minimum |
| 20:26.12 | karlpinc | DammitJim: "DammitJim: the pam / getent stuff does not need to work, but appearantly you did set that up" |
| 20:26.25 | DammitJim | karlpinc, oh ok, so I do need to set up winbind |
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| 20:27.01 | karlpinc | DammitJim: "DammitJim: skip "Make domain users/groups available locally |
| 20:27.02 | karlpinc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:28.17 | karlpinc | DammitJim: I think winbind is for when you need the windows users on the linux box. (But then I don't really know.) |
| 20:28.29 | DammitJim | ok, thanks |
| 20:28.32 | DammitJim | did valdyn leave? |
| 20:28.41 | karlpinc | DammitJim: Sombody here will know. |
| 20:28.58 | karlpinc | (Sooner or later.) |
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| 20:31.50 | jhutchins | karlpinc: Yes, that's what winbind is for. |
| 20:32.13 | jhutchins | I believe it's for windows users to connect to samba without a linux account. |
| 20:32.23 | jhutchins | Not the same as using AD to authenticate users. |
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| 20:33.12 | Filystyn | do all debian alternatives for console is konsole or gnome-terminal??? |
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| 20:34.00 | simplyy | Hello, when i have a look at my services --status-all 'deluge-deamon' is still listed, I have done a remove --purge of all deluge paquet, how can I delete this service who is useless ? |
| 20:34.07 | DammitJim | man, could skipping all that stuff affect not being able to connect to the server from Computer Management? |
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| 20:34.20 | moozzz | Filystyn: xterm, urxvt? |
| 20:34.39 | DammitJim | oh, the SeDiskOperatorPrivilege, brb |
| 20:36.00 | Filystyn | YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS |
| 20:36.05 | Filystyn | urxvt |
| 20:36.09 | Filystyn | couted ó |
| 20:36.12 | Filystyn | wide char |
| 20:36.16 | Filystyn | im fucking impressed |
| 20:36.23 | Filystyn | i tried to do that for 2 h |
| 20:36.53 | Roberth1990 | no swearing |
| 20:36.53 | moozzz | Filystyn: =D |
| 20:36.53 | Filystyn | thank you guys |
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| 20:37.43 | donofrio | anyone got time to help me getting my sound working - http://paste.debian.net/169429/ |
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| 20:38.28 | imMute | systemd question: when using 'systemctl start FOO' to start a service, if it fails is it possible to *automatically* get the 'systemctl status' and 'journalctl' logs? |
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| 20:39.30 | jasabella | are there any packages available in ubuntu that aren't available in debian testing? |
| 20:39.31 | heurist | imMute: maybe something like systemctl start FOO || systemctl status FOO |
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| 20:39.47 | buu | imMute: ss(){systemctl start $1 || ( systemctl status $1; journalctl $1 ) } |
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| 20:40.28 | DammitJim | weird... can't connect to the server from computer management |
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| 20:41.19 | simplyy | Hello, when i have a look at my services --status-all 'deluge-deamon' is still listed, I have done a remove --purge of all deluge paquet, how can I delete this service who is useless ? |
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| 20:42.04 | teraflop | hmm, so I do systemctl disable gdm3.service and I see a bunch of innserv and sysvinit stuff but it always start after I reboot the machine, also did update-rc.d with a -f included, that's weird, its a clean install |
| 20:42.06 | buu | simplyy: does dpkg -L | grep delu; show anything? |
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| 20:42.39 | thomas_d | donofrio: I'm not an expert, but I can try to help. What features did you choose to install when you installed debian? And what kind of device is your sound, just onboard sound on a relatively new (less than 10 years old) machine, or what? |
| 20:42.43 | axel_fly | who is working on gnome-software package? |
| 20:42.45 | imMute | heurist: buu: actually, the "systemctl status" will automatically include the journal output, I wasn't seeing it because I was running it as not-root, so that makes the || alias actually useful. danke |
| 20:42.58 | teraflop | I wonder if there is a way of get rid of sysvinit stuff |
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| 20:43.27 | tremon | teraflop: systemctl mask gdm3.service, or reconfigure the graphical-desktop.target (iirc) |
| 20:43.54 | tremon | teraflop: "disable" only prevents a service from starting itself, it can still be started as a dependency |
| 20:44.11 | heurist | imMute: status will include a few lines of journalctl, I would just run journalctl -xf in another split or another terminal |
| 20:44.23 | teraflop | tremon: oh! mask it? uhm, well disabling in debian you mean? |
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| 20:44.48 | tremon | I meant systemctl mask as opposed to systemctl disable |
| 20:44.55 | teraflop | tremon: i know |
| 20:45.28 | tremon | iirc update-rc.d disable does not perform a systemctl mask call |
| 20:46.39 | teraflop | tremon: I wonder why masking it, and I never had to mask a DM in any other linux systems using systemd, that's why I asked |
| 20:47.18 | teraflop | tremon: i see, i just did because it was weird and the sysmtemctl checked the sysvinit stuff |
| 20:47.54 | teraflop | tremon: ill mask it |
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| 20:48.10 | tremon | teraflop: I'm assuming that graphical-desktop.target depends on gdm3.service. I don't have a systemd-enabled system to check right now |
| 20:48.42 | teraflop | tremon: ill check that too, thanks |
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| 20:49.01 | teraflop | masking the service does nothing |
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| 20:49.40 | tremon | "does nothing"? you mean it still starts at boot? |
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| 20:50.21 | simplyy | Hello, when i have a look at my services --status-all 'deluge-deamon' is still listed, I have done a remove --purge of all deluge paquet, how can I delete this service who is useless ? |
| 20:50.31 | teraflop | tremon: yep |
| 20:51.08 | tremon | teraflop: bah |
| 20:51.20 | teraflop | bah what? |
| 20:51.22 | teraflop | :P |
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| 20:53.06 | tremon | bah as in "I have no other suggestions, try a different init" ;) |
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| 20:53.52 | donofrio | thomas_d: it's a imac "lampshade" fwiw and I di not know what command should I run to get out the list (unless you just want a dpkgs list) |
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| 20:56.38 | simplyy | how to request my old freenode nick using my email address only ? |
| 20:56.58 | buu | simplyy: #freenode |
| 20:57.20 | moozzz | simplyy: did you try to restart your system? or something like sudo /etc/init.d/deluge-daemon stop? |
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| 20:59.12 | teraflop | tremon: well there's no need to be rude, a simple _i dont know_ is enough |
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| 21:03.57 | tremon | teraflop: there was no rudeness intended, just a misplaced reference to months of debian "discussions" |
| 21:05.04 | teraflop | tremon: I fixed by deleting by hand /lib/systemd/systm/gdm* services |
| 21:05.13 | teraflop | tremon: ah sorry then |
| 21:05.39 | swift110-phone | Hooray jessie is reasy |
| 21:06.02 | teraflop | fixed it* |
| 21:06.56 | DammitJim | dammit.. what configuration am I missing to connect to my samba server from computer management |
| 21:07.05 | tremon | teraflop: removing shouldn't be necessary (and a new package upgrade will reinstall those services). The theory is (or at least, what I've so far have understood) that a similarly-named file in /etc/ will override the one in /lib, and systemctl mask should create a file in /etc/ that symlinks to /dev/null |
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| 21:07.27 | donofrio | swift110-phone: great rejoicing abounds |
| 21:09.21 | teraflop | tremon: thats the theory, but in practise it didnt performed as expected since there was gdm.services and gd3.services unit files placed in /lib/systemd/system folder |
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| 21:10.19 | tremon | ah, so maybe you should have masked gdm.service as well. I'd say that providing two service files for the same service is a bug though |
| 21:10.22 | teraflop | so as I knew the theory (a bit) i just look for the unit files in /etc and /lib |
| 21:10.38 | teraflop | i didi all the stuff before asking here |
| 21:10.57 | teraflop | ....why the hell gdm keep starting |
| 21:11.23 | teraflop | tremon: it is |
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| 21:12.02 | maurer | Anyone here run archvsync and may be able to help me sith an issue? I'm not trying to limit what archs or suites are being downloaded, but at http://mirrors.aegis.cylab.cmu.edu/debian/dists/stretch/main/ binaries-amd64 is empty, while on http://mirrors.aegis.cylab.cmu.edu/debian/dists/wheezy/main/ it is appropriately populated |
| 21:12.07 | maurer | ideas? |
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| 21:12.34 | _abc__ | On wheezy with latest firefox and no iceweasel, installing libflashplayer.so nonfree via apt-get install causes ff to crash on youtube. Did not check with normal iceweasel. Any comments? |
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| 21:13.14 | teraflop | tremon: and that explains why disabling the service it keeps starting |
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| 21:15.06 | tremon | yes it does. Doesn't explain why there are 2 service files though. I could understand if there was a service file and a init.d file, but not two service files |
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| 21:15.37 | teraflop | i didnt masked gdm.service |
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| 21:16.54 | DammitJim | ugh, I bricked my vm |
| 21:17.09 | DammitJim | can't log on to it anymore after messing around with kerberos |
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| 21:18.02 | sonOfRa | boot a live cd, mount the disks, unmess it, reboot :) |
| 21:18.41 | DammitJim | I have a snapshot |
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| 21:20.14 | teraflop | tremon: there was a gdm.service and a gdm3.service in /lib/systemd/system folder, no clue, this is a clean install and gnome was installed via tasksel |
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| 21:22.07 | tremon | jup, https://packages.debian.org/jessie/amd64/gdm3/filelist agrees that both service files are provided by the same package |
| 21:22.55 | teraflop | tremon: may I file a bug about not being able to disable? |
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| 21:23.42 | tremon | teraflop: I think you should, but you may want to ask #debian-systemd (iirc) on oftc first |
| 21:23.52 | teraflop | tremon: ok, ill do, thanks |
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| 21:24.39 | fiberterminal | cries |
| 21:24.53 | swift110-phone | Yep |
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| 21:41.35 | fiberterminal | so, I have some IPV6 ips that are in the tenative state when webserver attemps to bind to them during system boot, and as a result, my webserver fails to start at system boot, resulting in me having to start the server after system boot |
| 21:42.05 | fiberterminal | I've found some documentation on the issue, and someone posted a bug report in ubuntu and later debian mailing lists, but supposedly the issue was "most likely" fixed in an older version of ifupdown |
| 21:42.10 | fiberterminal | do I re-open or file a new bug report? |
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| 21:42.48 | fiberterminal | I'm not sure if it was ever properly "fixed" |
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| 21:44.46 | mlq | Hello, I've upgrade to jessie and have problems mounting my zfs pool. systemctl states: "cannot import ark: no such pool or dataset // Destroy and re-create the pool froma backup source" - Has anyone an hint how to fix this or what has gone wrong? |
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| 21:56.37 | acz32 | anyone know when the debian mozilla team will have iceweasel release for debian 8? |
| 21:56.47 | acz32 | they're still calling wheezy stable |
| 21:57.02 | Brigo | acz32, there is an iceweasel shipped with jessie. |
| 21:57.20 | acz32 | Brigo: i said iceweasel release :) |
| 21:57.32 | acz32 | 37.0.2 currently |
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| 21:58.02 | Brigo | ,v iceweasel |
| 21:58.03 | judd | Package: iceweasel on amd64 -- squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 31.3.0esr-1~deb7u1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 31.6.0esr-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 31.6.0esr-1~deb7u1; sid: 31.6.0esr-1; stretch: 31.6.0esr-1; jessie: 31.6.0esr-1; experimental: 37.0.2-1 |
| 21:58.21 | Brigo | it is in experimental, so quite soon. |
| 21:58.47 | vhuren | ,v linux-image |
| 21:58.48 | judd | No package named 'linux-image' was found in amd64. |
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| 21:59.06 | acz32 | ok. they just haven't set up a jessie-backports iceweasel-release repo yet or are still working on it, it seems |
| 21:59.45 | fiberterminal | ,v linux-image* |
| 21:59.46 | judd | No package named 'linux-image*' was found in amd64. |
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| 22:01.28 | karlpinc | fiberterminal: judd does kernels differently. I think you need to say "kernel". (or get help from judd) |
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| 22:02.20 | tremon | ,kernels |
| 22:02.21 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.19.0-trunk-686-pae (3.19.3-1~exp1); sid: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt9-2); stretch: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt9-2); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt9-2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt7-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.65-1+deb7u2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.65-1+deb7u2~bpo60+1); |
| 22:02.22 | judd | squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze6) |
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| 22:11.07 | mlq | "Reinstallation of zfsutils is not possible, it cannot be downloaded." What does this imply? That the source is not available (reachable)? Is there a way to find out more about this apt-get error? |
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| 22:12.12 | Brigo | mlq, i think it is not a apt-get error, but an error from the zfs manager. |
| 22:12.42 | mlq | Brigo: But its the output if I run apt-get install |
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| 22:13.23 | Brigo | mlq, i think the manager tells the error to apt-get and apt-get tells you, but not sure. |
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| 22:14.14 | mlq | Brigo: Okay, now I see what you mean |
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| 22:14.44 | Brigo | ,v zfsutils |
| 22:14.45 | judd | No package named 'zfsutils' was found in amd64. |
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| 22:15.17 | Brigo | mlq, it looks like there is no zfsutils in debian. |
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| 22:15.41 | Brigo | may be do you need to download it from elsewhere? |
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| 22:17.09 | moozzz | Brigo: mlq: https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/zfsutils |
| 22:17.51 | moozzz | but not for amd64 |
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| 22:19.13 | Brigo | ,v zfsutils --arch i386 |
| 22:19.14 | judd | No package named 'zfsutils' was found in i386. |
| 22:19.34 | Brigo | ,v zfsutils --arch kfreebsd |
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| 22:19.34 | judd | No package named 'zfsutils' was found in amd64. |
| 22:20.09 | Brigo | mlq, that package is only available for kfreebsd debian version :/ |
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| 22:21.25 | abrotman | It might be part of zfs-fuse for thelinux kernels |
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| 22:26.28 | Zhong | does anyone know if Debian supports intel hd graphics 5300? |
| 22:26.53 | Brigo | i think he will need to boot from a debian kfreebsd kernel and repair the disk from there. |
| 22:28.25 | Zhong | my system says my graphic card is: Intel Corporation Broadwell-U Integrated Graphics |
| 22:28.32 | Zhong | sounds generic enough |
| 22:29.28 | Brigo | Zhong, i search in google and it looks like your card needs driver version 2.99 |
| 22:29.31 | Brigo | ,v xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 22:29.32 | judd | Package: xserver-xorg-video-intel on amd64 -- squeeze: 2:2.13.0-7; squeeze-backports: 2:2.15.0-3~bpo60+2; wheezy: 2:2.19.0-6; wheezy-backports: 2:2.21.15-2~bpo70+1; sid: 2:2.21.15-2+b2; jessie: 2:2.21.15-2+b2; stretch: 2:2.21.15-2+b2; experimental: 2:2.99.917-1~exp1 |
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| 22:29.49 | Brigo | and that version is in experimental. |
| 22:29.51 | Zhong | Brigo, so I need to backport this package? |
| 22:29.59 | Brigo | or wait a bit. |
| 22:30.14 | Delf | Is there a way to install packages to be used only by a single user? |
| 22:30.22 | Brigo | if it is in experimental now it should be in backpors quite soon. |
| 22:30.56 | abrotman | Delf: does it have dependencies that aren't installed? |
| 22:31.19 | abrotman | Delf: generally, no .. it's usually easier to compile in the user's bin dir, etc |
| 22:31.31 | Delf | abrotman: It was a general question so, yes and no. |
| 22:31.34 | abrotman | Brigo: eh .. why would that be soon? |
| 22:31.44 | abrotman | Delf: No, dpkg won't do it |
| 22:31.46 | Brigo | abrotman, good question :D |
| 22:31.50 | jhutchins | Delf: There are ways, yes, it depends on what your environment is and what your goals are. |
| 22:32.03 | Zhong | Brigo, does Jessie have backport? |
| 22:32.20 | Brigo | Zhong, not sure, not yet. |
| 22:32.30 | Brigo | just 3 days old :) |
| 22:32.41 | Delf | Suppose a user wants to install a package that may or may not require dependencies, but not force all users on the machine to see it as installed. |
| 22:33.14 | abrotman | Brigo: it would have to go from Unstable to Testing .. don't see that happening in the "near future" |
| 22:33.28 | Brigo | Zhong, but i would at least wait for the package to get into sid. |
| 22:33.29 | abrotman | Delf: compile it in your own directory |
| 22:34.01 | Delf | As a normal user one can apt-get source <package>? And build⦠|
| 22:34.03 | Zhong | Brigo, I think I would just add experimental repository to my source list and install it from there |
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| 22:34.17 | Delf | What about dependencies? |
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| 22:34.38 | Brigo | Zhong, you can try or you can try a "simple sid backport" but from experimental |
| 22:34.38 | abrotman | Delf: you would compile those also, or have your package manager install them |
| 22:34.42 | Brigo | !ssb |
| 22:34.43 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 22:34.43 | abrotman | Brigo: no .. |
| 22:34.52 | Brigo | abrotman, no? |
| 22:35.16 | Delf | What about having multiple versions of a package? |
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| 22:35.32 | arminius | sudo: /var/lib/sudo/lectured is group writable |
| 22:35.35 | arminius | this is a bug |
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| 22:35.42 | abrotman | arminius: /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 22:35.48 | arminius | i maintain this group, i know who is allowed to do what |
| 22:35.49 | abrotman | Brigo: well, he can try |
| 22:35.54 | Zhong | Brigo: sid uses the same version as mine. |
| 22:35.57 | Delf | Say a specific user wants a specific version and a different one is already installed. Building from source can be used for this as well? |
| 22:36.03 | abrotman | Delf: yes |
| 22:36.04 | arminius | abrotman: ty |
| 22:36.33 | Brigo | Zhong, yes that is why i said change sid for experimental |
| 22:37.01 | dondelelcaro | Delf: you can't have different versions concurrently installed, but you can use chroots or unpacked files or similar to acheive the same result |
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| 22:37.20 | dondelelcaro | (dunno if that answers your question or not) |
| 22:38.38 | Delf | dondelelcaro: I'll have to learn more about chroots. I was just wondering if there are ways to "install" user specific software. Building from source seems to be an option. |
| 22:38.42 | jelangkung | hi, congrats for jessie release. it's a solid rock experience. however gnome-icon-theme breaks some apps layout in xfce |
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| 22:40.27 | beshoo | is there any way to do deb package on windows ! |
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| 22:40.35 | acz32 | looks like the debian 8 installer adds jessie-backports to sources.list by default |
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| 22:40.43 | acz32 | i don't think debian 7 did that |
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| 22:46.09 | xreal | Does Jessie bring OverlayFS ? |
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| 22:49.35 | Delf | If a dependency is already installed that's being used by a program some user built, aptitude will have no way of knowing that the dependency is still being used when removing a program that is the only package it sees as having that dependency. This |
| 22:49.36 | Delf | would then break the user's program, no? |
| 22:49.56 | mircx1 | where i can find good download for debian iso desktop? |
| 22:50.18 | Brigo | Delf, the user should not remove that pacakage, then. |
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| 22:50.53 | Delf | mircx1: https://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#stable |
| 22:51.06 | Brigo | cdimage-search.debian.org |
| 22:51.56 | Delf | Brigo: Of course, but root must know what not to remove too. |
| 22:52.23 | Brigo | Delf, if they are not the same user, yes :) |
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| 22:53.01 | Brigo | Delf, of course you can create a virtual package with a dependence in that package and tell root to install it. |
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| 22:55.56 | Delf | Brigo: Ahh, that's a way to do it too :D User can put virtual packages in a folder for root to install and/or remove :) |
| 22:56.34 | Brigo | Delf, well root only should install well known package. |
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| 22:57.02 | beshoo | can i repackeg extracted deb file, on windows7 ? |
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| 22:58.28 | mircx1 | ok i download from there but i no see nothing after i install debian 8 |
| 22:58.28 | K-202 | Oh, it's Linux! [38576.613662] traps: soffice.bin[24586] general protection ip:7f99b506b43b sp:7fff91d59630 error:0 in libeditenglo.so[7f99b4f8e000+238000] |
| 22:58.53 | Delf | Brigo: Of course. But if it's a virtual package, it's not really a program, yes? |
| 22:59.04 | Brigo | yes. |
| 22:59.46 | K-202 | remember to press CTRL+S after writing each sentence in office suite |
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| 23:02.07 | Posterdati | hi |
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| 23:02.45 | Posterdati | please I've got a problem with samba on jessie: old shares with the new server won't work anymore |
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| 23:06.13 | ntars | Posterdati: share smb.conf |
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| 23:08.12 | Heston | what's the best way to run an android app on debian |
| 23:08.25 | Posterdati | ntars: http://pastebin.com/FfbcKa0w |
| 23:08.48 | Delf | No one is trying to get this into the official repositories either? http://nixos.org/nix/about.html |
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| 23:10.04 | kevinux_zut | Hello guys, i'm a french guy which want to learn english, so i think it's a good idea to come here : ) |
| 23:10.14 | Posterdati | lol |
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| 23:12.57 | Posterdati | solved! |
| 23:13.52 | abrotman | kevinux_zut: try ##English |
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| 23:13.58 | ntars | Posterdati: tell me? |
| 23:14.12 | ntars | space in username? |
| 23:14.22 | Posterdati | http://serverfault.com/questions/630631/how-to-make-samba-share-to-not-ask-for-password |
| 23:14.43 | Posterdati | used that smb.conf and worked |
| 23:14.51 | kevinux_zut | abrotman: i will : ) |
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| 23:14.56 | ntars | ok |
| 23:15.27 | Posterdati | I was missing force ... config |
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| 23:17.37 | Brigo | kevinux_zut, that is a support channel, if you want just chat, you can join debian-offtopic channel. |
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| 23:18.12 | kevinux_zut | Brigo: Thanks , i think it's what i want : ) |
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| 23:25.38 | dimitry7 | j #English |
| 23:26.11 | maazu | no support for my arch x86_64 |
| 23:26.37 | maazu | my nic does not work |
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| 23:26.54 | zblakany | any idea why openldap donât use ssl/tls even if this features was correctly enabled in server? |
| 23:26.58 | hikenboot | hi I am new to fcoe, I have created a fcoe target of a volume, now I have to issue the command In /tcm_fc/<WWPN> is this executed in targetcli or fcoeadm? or other I cant seem to find any mention in these utilites help for this command. thanks for the help (oh this is on debian) I do not have any physical fcoe cards which I am not sure if they are required for the software package..thanks |
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| 23:28.09 | hikenboot | if so is there one stricktly software based that I should use? |
| 23:28.34 | maazu | installed Jessie but my sound is not working |
| 23:30.20 | maazu | arm64 < x86_64 |
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| 23:30.33 | teraflop | ^ |
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| 23:46.31 | Heston | any advice for getting android apps running on debian |
| 23:47.16 | Heston | google just brings up stuff for running debian on android |
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| 23:50.19 | abrotman | Heston: Isn't there an android sdk thing? |
| 23:51.09 | Heston | there is, but it doesnt seem to be as simple as something like bluestacks on windows |
| 23:51.29 | Heston | most of the guides for it are dated and pretty involved. Not sure if it even has the same functionality |
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| 23:54.07 | rtanakaz | hi there! looking for sugestions on how to check and avoid writing on badblocks due to eMMC wearing out over time. any sugestions? |
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| 23:54.55 | xreal | Does Jessie bring OverlayFS ? |
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| 23:57.21 | abrotman | xreal: did you look in your kernel config? |
| 23:57.35 | xreal | abrotman: No, it's dist-upgrading right now :) |
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| 23:58.24 | lazlov | hi! sorry, i speak a little english. i buyed new asus cheap laptop it's win8.1 64bit with BING. I would like change this debian 8.0. What version I need? 32 or 64 bit? i386 or amd64? |
| 23:59.09 | abrotman | xreal: seems it went mainline in 3.18, so I'd guess not |
| 23:59.16 | lazlov | the processor is intel |
| 23:59.32 | abrotman | lazlov: amd64 should work |
| 23:59.34 | cjbayliss | lazlov: if the laptop you bought runs Windows 8.1 64bit, then get Debian amd64 |
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| 23:59.37 | rtanakaz | lazlov: pretty sure 64bit |
| 23:59.46 | quiritius | hi! i've KDE desktop in Jessie. Upper border of maximized windows get clipped (just above decoration buttons). Anybody know how to fix this? |
