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| 06:55.36 | AR45_ | http://paste.debian.net/169821/ |
| 06:56.45 | hiexpo | hola |
| 06:58.36 | hiexpo | sup __FBi |
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| 07:08.09 | peterrooney | AR45_: not every possible utility comes installed by default. /msg dpkg apt-file ; the command-not-found is useful as well. |
| 07:09.18 | peterrooney | AR45_: also, you probably meant "cat /proc/cpuinfo" |
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| 07:10.37 | AR45_ | Can someone explain this http://paste.debian.net/169823/ |
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| 07:11.31 | AR45_ | peterrooney: I installed lshw does any it gives me too much information, i just want my buddy to know the specs of my pc |
| 07:11.46 | AR45_ | peterrooney: do you know of a solution? |
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| 07:14.56 | peterrooney | AR45_: try this: lshw -html > specs.html ; sensible-browser specs.html # very pretty and organized, and you could email the html file. |
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| 07:15.51 | jolt | AR45_: on line 6 you have two arguments to grep so it thinks you are trying to grep from the file called mem (which doesn't exist) |
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| 07:16.27 | jolt | AR45_: you would have to do something like lshw |grep -E "(cpu|mem)" |
| 07:17.10 | jolt | AR45_: but that output is crap, because it contains loads of memory addresses, so do as peterrooney said, pipe to a file and look at that instead |
| 07:17.12 | peterrooney | AR45_: lshw is happier when run as root |
| 07:17.19 | AR45_ | jolt: I thought with grep i can just specify what words i want to come back |
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| 07:18.02 | jolt | AR45_: yes, but not at the same time. They you have to do as I said, have a selector |
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| 07:19.17 | peterrooney | AR45_: long term goal: learn regular expressions - it really pays off, but in the long term. |
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| 07:22.15 | peterrooney | AR45_: revised command: su -c "lshw -html" > specs.html ; sensible-browser specs.html |
| 07:23.33 | Iridos | AR45_, lshw -html > myhardware.htm |
| 07:23.43 | Iridos | oops, peterrooney already said it |
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| 07:24.33 | Iridos | AR45_, shorter term goal: learn about absolute and relative paths and what /proc is |
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| 07:26.54 | fn | good morning. short question, if I try to loggin I had a delay for about 5seconds until I'm connected to my server |
| 07:26.59 | fn | what could I check for it? |
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| 07:29.13 | amundsen | hi |
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| 07:29.31 | superfast | I met a friend here some days back she taught me a lot of things about kali too |
| 07:29.34 | superfast | are you here? |
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| 07:30.36 | rozie | fn: how do you connect? |
| 07:31.20 | fn | rozie: putty -> ssh with key |
| 07:31.21 | rozie | login can be any service on this server (like www), can be ssh, can be direct connection with keyboard and monitor... |
| 07:31.30 | rozie | OK. check DNS |
| 07:31.39 | fn | DNS on server or locale? |
| 07:31.47 | rozie | on server first |
| 07:32.00 | rozie | it probably tries to resolve PTR |
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| 07:32.43 | fn | PTR? |
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| 07:33.42 | amundsen | i'm new to debian and i've recently installed jessie but after installing nvidia drivers i can't see the plymouth boot |
| 07:33.53 | amundsen | any tutorial for jessie? |
| 07:33.55 | amundsen | thx |
| 07:34.05 | rozie | fn: revdns |
| 07:34.23 | rozie | just check if you can resolve hostnames on server |
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| 07:34.57 | rozie | you could also perform ssh -vv if you connected from Lnux |
| 07:35.00 | rozie | Linux* |
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| 07:35.23 | rozie | putty may have such an option too, but I don't know putty |
| 07:35.54 | bezaban | aye, it could also be trying ipv6 (but you would probably know), in which case ssh -4 would confirm that |
| 07:36.07 | fn | i can resolve hostnames on server |
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| 07:40.12 | jolt | fn: if you type "w -s username" there is a field called "FROM" that shows your ip. Try "host <ip>" and see if that is resolved. All of this on the server you SSH to |
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| 07:41.00 | d3lphi | I have three browsers installed on my Jessie system (Chromium, Iceweasel, Vivaldi). All three show the same behaviour --> when I click on the button [Open File...] or [Add File...] within a web application a window is popped-up on my computer which let's me choose a file from my filesystem. But only LOCAL files are shown and NO network places. |
| 07:41.50 | d3lphi | Even if my network place is known and used as "bookmark" in my file-manager, it is NOT shown in that popped-up window that was invoked by the internet browser. How can I change that? I want to choose from files that reside on my network share |
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| 07:45.11 | d3lphi | any help appreciated |
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| 07:45.46 | Iridos | d3lphi, that probably applies to all "open" dialogs then |
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| 07:46.39 | Iridos | d3lphi, what can you access those "network places" with? |
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| 07:48.40 | Lope | I have not installed any mail related anything on my bare bones debian netinstall. What is this junk showing up as localhost:smtp and ip6-localhost:smtp how can I get rid of it? I want to use the SMTP ports? |
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| 07:49.31 | darxmurf | hi all |
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| 07:50.03 | Iridos | netstat -tulpn or fuser 25/tcp should show what is using port 25 |
| 07:50.21 | Iridos | anyway, you should have exim4 installed |
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| 07:51.06 | Lope | yeah, I've got exim4. Can I stop it? |
| 07:51.15 | Lope | do I need it for anything debiany? |
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| 07:51.36 | Iridos | yes... cron job outputs for example are emailed |
| 07:51.57 | Lope | I don't have cron jobs and I don't send emails from this server? |
| 07:52.03 | Iridos | seems like the world doesn't end in a big ball of flames if one doesn't run it, though |
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| 07:53.37 | Iridos | some things send email for notifications... cron is the most notable one. apt also does it on some upgrades, so do services like debsecan, so by default it's running |
| 07:53.46 | Iridos | stop it if you think you know what you're doing |
| 07:54.26 | Lope | Iridos: but send email to who? |
| 07:54.38 | Lope | I've never given my email address to any debian stuff? |
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| 07:55.04 | nikio_ | hey |
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| 07:55.20 | nikio_ | how can I instal 2.8.11 or higher on Debian? |
| 07:55.34 | hubik | it will try to send mail to the root user or the first sudoer |
| 07:55.51 | Iridos | Lope, internal email to root and other users... |
| 07:56.01 | nikio_ | how can I instal cmake 2.8.11 or higher on Debian? |
| 07:56.18 | Iridos | judd, versions cmake |
| 07:56.19 | judd | Package: cmake on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.8.2+dfsg.1-0+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 2.8.9-1~bpo60+2; wheezy: 2.8.9-1; wheezy-backports: 2.8.11.1-1~bpo70+1; sid: 3.0.2-1; stretch: 3.0.2-1; jessie: 3.0.2-1 |
| 07:56.34 | Iridos | dpkg, tell nikio_ about backports |
| 07:57.15 | nikio_ | Iridos, thanks. How can i instal it? |
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| 07:57.44 | Xat` | hi guys |
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| 07:58.10 | Xat` | I just want to upgrade mysql-server and 'apt-get upgrade mysql-server' says it has nothing to do |
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| 08:00.08 | Xat` | whereas I have an upgraded version in repo |
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| 08:00.45 | d3lphi | Iridos: it works fine, when I run "evidence" or "gedit" and choose "Open File..." |
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| 08:04.16 | d3lphi | when I click "Open file..." within Gedit the popped-up window looks more like Nautilus or Nemo and thus looking different to the popup-window that is opened through my browsers whenever I choose "Open File..." within a web application. Where can I control how my internet browsers call this command for opening files? |
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| 08:04.42 | nikio_ | Iridos, i am following: http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 08:04.51 | nikio_ | i added the line |
| 08:05.05 | nikio_ | but what about the part Install a package from backports |
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| 08:05.14 | nikio_ | it only gives command for Jessie |
| 08:05.22 | nikio_ | do i need to replace it by Wheezy? |
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| 08:06.39 | nzv | if I upload files through FTP to my Apache webserver running on Debian box, what would be the best way of making those files accessible *only* to the first IP that access the link? then subquently deleting the file from the server |
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| 08:07.27 | Iridos | nikio_, for wheezy, you can /msg dpkg wheezy-backports - it has an example line |
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| 08:07.47 | nzv | does a package exist for what im trying to do or do I need to write a custom script for it? |
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| 08:07.57 | nikio_ | Iridos, ty i think i made it work |
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| 08:13.22 | Iridos | d3lphi, on the command line? |
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| 08:15.59 | d3lphi | Iridos: which command line you're talking of? no, I mean when I open "gedit" or "evince" and there on "File"-->"Open.." I get a working window pop-up whereas I can choose any file of my local filesystem AND of my remote network places. |
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| 08:18.22 | Iridos | d3lphi, the question is how access to those is made... and on the command line means in a terminal with e.g. bash as a shell |
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| 08:18.56 | Iridos | the solution probably is to mount the stuff that are "network places" properly |
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| 08:29.14 | anddam | how should I handle automount of an USB disk and how can start/stop service autmatically when it's connected disconnected? |
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| 08:30.11 | anddam | I have an USB disk connected to the debian box and I'm using it as time machine disc using netatalk service, I put it in fstab with auto in order to have it mounted at boot but if by error I don't power up the USB the system doesn't boot properly |
| 08:30.28 | anddam | I get asked for root password for maintainance |
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| 08:34.02 | petemc | anddam: theres an app called usbmount that has worked for me in the past |
| 08:34.30 | petemc | also wouldnt suggest using netatalk, performance is terrible in my experience, and time machine can work with smb |
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| 08:35.26 | anddam | petemc: I've read something about some specific afp feature for time machine, possibly spotlight |
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| 08:35.50 | anddam | petemc: also I'm not in any way more familiar with smb than I'm with netatalk so I'll just leave it as it is |
| 08:35.53 | anddam | since it's working |
| 08:35.58 | anddam | I'll check usbmount |
| 08:36.14 | anddam | namely I'd like to: mount the device at boot if present, if mounted start service |
| 08:36.39 | anddam | if not boot without mounting and starting service and then if device is plugged do the same |
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| 08:36.46 | petemc | you can add udev rules to mount it |
| 08:36.51 | anddam | I see actually that could be just grouped and be done after boot |
| 08:36.54 | anddam | is usbmount a service? |
| 08:37.20 | petemc | something like that |
| 08:37.33 | petemc | it handles plugging/unplugging |
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| 08:38.44 | petemc | this might all be different with systemd, if you're using latest debian |
| 08:39.03 | petemc | i know nothing about systemd other than it makes some people angry |
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| 08:52.17 | thomaschaaf | hello is there any way to encrypt a running partiiton? |
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| 08:55.00 | Burps | I know understand why linux-image had not been installed during my upgrade wheezy-> jessie (and other strange things..) : I did run the apt-get upgrade... but forgot the dist-upgrade :/ |
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| 09:19.10 | sangi | can we set a priority for a particular package such that it gets installed first from the repository while doing an upgrade |
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| 09:21.01 | fn | jolt: re. sorry. |
| 09:21.14 | fn | on host myip i get this: found: 3(NXDOMAIN) |
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| 09:23.34 | Fira | Yo guys. Trying to boot Deb8 Netinst with EFI and... It no worky. Is it not supported ? All the info i can find online is about how to reinstall the bootloader to swap from a BIOS install. |
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| 09:25.15 | Fira | -hides- had forgotten to actually connect netinst image in VM. move along, nothing to see here... |
| 09:25.33 | SynrG | ahaha |
| 09:25.39 | SynrG | well, good luck with the rest of the install |
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| 09:27.32 | nzv | any reason why nmap would not be working in a openvz instance ? |
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| 09:28.20 | nzv | says "route_dst_netlink: can't find interface "venet0"" when I try but 'ifconfig' says venet0 is the network adapter |
| 09:28.43 | caraconan | Hi there. I would like to take a screen-shot including the mouse pointer, but scrot is not able to do so. Any other lightweight alternative? Many thanks |
| 09:28.45 | nzv | is that a bug in OpenVZ or did my VPS provider do something to stop nmapping from their network? |
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| 09:29.14 | jelly | nzv: networking functionality is severely restricted in openvz containers |
| 09:29.50 | nzv | well thats a shame |
| 09:29.55 | nzv | thanks tho |
| 09:30.19 | mikunos | hi guys I get these messages when I try to update my server: http://snipet.co.uk/Jp |
| 09:30.27 | mikunos | how to solve this issue? |
| 09:30.29 | jelly | nzv: all container technology has similar issues, you just don't have control of your kernel |
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| 09:30.45 | mikunos | this link is reachable http://ftp.it.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/Release.gpg |
| 09:30.55 | mikunos | but the server doesn't get it |
| 09:31.36 | nzv | mikunos im not expert but I would guess there is something wrong with DNS, maybe use a different DNS server |
| 09:31.52 | Fira | nvz: you can't play around with iptables modules aswell, which severly limits firewalling capabilities. think of it this way : you can execute things as 'root', but you're not the real actual root |
| 09:32.04 | caraconan | mikunos: run "sudo aptitude update" first |
| 09:32.18 | caraconan | mikunos: maybe the repository URL is outdated |
| 09:32.36 | nzv | yeah I mean I guess you get what you pay for. $3/m a 1024MB ram SSD box I cant complain :| |
| 09:33.04 | Fira | in fact you need special config on the OpenVZ side if you want to be able to even do NAT in containers IIRC |
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| 09:33.08 | sangi | can we set a priority for a particular package such that it gets installed first from the repository while doing an upgrade |
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| 09:33.32 | Fira | there's a priority list somewhere, i forget where. you can probably find it searching around the net |
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| 09:34.21 | sangi | Fira, ok |
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| 09:35.05 | Fira | very useful when you want to override certain packages from debian's repos with other repos... without actually pulling the whole repo in |
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| 09:36.18 | sangi | Fira, but i want to do it from the repository side |
| 09:36.30 | sangi | I hv set up a repository of my own |
| 09:36.48 | caraconan | Ok, with gimp I can do it |
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| 09:37.29 | sangi | I have many clients under it, want a particular package to be installed in the client's machine before any other package |
| 09:38.10 | mikunos | caraconan thanks ... works |
| 09:38.12 | sangi | Fira, all the client machines gets upgraded automatically |
| 09:38.38 | caraconan | mikunos: yw. Always a good practice to run "aptitude update" before actually upgrade |
| 09:39.21 | mikunos | thanks sangi |
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| 09:39.33 | mikunos | thanks caraconan: |
| 09:40.03 | dob1 | hi, how can i get detailed information about a shutdown ? i am not able to identify which user has shutdown a pc |
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| 09:40.33 | dob1 | i used lastlog, last, look in /var/log/syslog but i am not able to understand who execute a shutdown |
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| 09:41.48 | mikunos | I have discovered that the Apache version installed in my server is dangerous. I have the apache 2.2.22 |
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| 09:41.56 | mikunos | how have I to update it? |
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| 09:43.16 | mikunos | this is the version of the apache: http://snipet.co.uk/7p |
| 09:43.27 | mikunos | any hint? |
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| 09:46.44 | peterrooney | ,v apache2 |
| 09:46.45 | judd | Package: apache2 on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 2.2.16-6+squeeze11; squeeze: 2.2.16-6+squeeze12; squeeze-security-lts: 2.2.16-6+squeeze14; wheezy-security: 2.2.22-13+deb7u3; wheezy: 2.2.22-13+deb7u4; jessie: 2.4.10-10; sid: 2.4.10-11; stretch: 2.4.10-11 |
| 09:47.58 | Sbroker` | My Jessie Ferrari Customized: https://plus.google.com/photos/107634984391828157026/albums/6143083860116157457 |
| 09:48.17 | jelly | mikunos: what do you mean, dangerous? |
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| 09:48.40 | mikunos | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:48.58 | jelly | mikunos: can you confirm that on Debian's security tracker? |
| 09:49.08 | jelly | !tracker of doom |
| 09:49.08 | dpkg | The Tracker of Doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the Debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.org/ . Ask me about <cve lookup CVE-yyyy-nnnn> to get Debian-specific information on a CVE number. See also http://www.debian.org/security/crossreferences or ask me about <debsecan> http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/ |
| 09:49.17 | mikunos | http://httpd.apache.org/security/vulnerabilities_22.html |
| 09:49.30 | mikunos | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:50.11 | jelly | mikunos: Debian backports security patches. Pick a CVE number and look it up in Debian's tracker, see if it's fixed |
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| 09:52.24 | mikunos | jelly how have I to do? |
| 09:52.40 | mikunos | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:53.20 | jelly | mikunos: pick one from the link you just wrote, and verify if it's fixed on the link dpkg wrote. |
| 09:53.32 | Peleus | Hey - is there any easy list of all the old debian netinst downloads (wheezy, squeeze, lenny) - Having issues tracking them down |
| 09:53.43 | Fira | SynrG: You jinxed it, the install went perfect, but it won't boot :p |
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| 09:54.13 | jelly | !tell Peleus about cd archive |
| 09:54.23 | mikunos | jelly but how have I to verify? |
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| 09:55.00 | jelly | mikunos: put it into the form at https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/ and click |
| 09:55.13 | mikunos | solved |
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| 09:55.17 | mikunos | found! |
| 09:55.40 | anddam | doesn't synaptic use apt files? |
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| 09:56.15 | mikunos | thanks |
| 09:56.19 | anddam | or does it keep a package db of its own? |
| 09:56.23 | Fira | Kernel seems to go haywire when drm kicks in. Apparently not a display bug, because i can't ping the machine either... |
| 09:56.56 | Fira | Oh wait, i can now. But it botched the boot process, no SSH |
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| 10:00.13 | Fira | Wait it works. |
| 10:00.23 | Fira | Except i put a bogus password as user, and login as root is disabled by default. |
| 10:00.29 | Fira | Back to the drawing board. |
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| 10:24.07 | jelly | tlkr: you'll probably need to hack/fix the initramfs dropbear and cryptsetup scripts to make them realize they need to ask for both passphrases |
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| 10:25.58 | cultavix | good morning guys, I can't seem to find a place to download the 7.8 Debian ISO |
| 10:26.04 | cultavix | only 8 is available lol |
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| 10:26.26 | cultavix | I know it sounds stupid... anyone know a good place to find ISO's for Debian? old versions? |
| 10:26.46 | tlkr | jelly, i tried that but the boot filesystem seems to go awol before it gets that far, i've given up and i'm using a keyfile. |
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| 10:28.47 | waqstar | cultavix: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/7.8.0/amd64/bt-dvd/ |
| 10:29.09 | waqstar | Try not to download via http/ftp |
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| 10:33.52 | jelly | waqstar: why not, http is the primary way to download and there's usually plenty of bandwidth |
| 10:34.45 | jelly | !tell cultavix about cd archive |
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| 10:37.32 | waqstar | jelly: cool, thought if one can download via torrent, why not :D |
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| 10:39.53 | jelly | because the netinst is 300MB tops and bittorrent might be slower than http |
| 10:40.37 | waqstar | in my experience Ive seen good speeds with torrent |
| 10:41.36 | waqstar | https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#why-jigdo shows that servers are constantly overloaded :) |
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| 10:46.04 | Filystyn | i have a problem |
| 10:46.09 | Filystyn | i want to install a char set |
| 10:46.17 | Filystyn | R8 or ibr 1025 |
| 10:46.22 | Filystyn | or anyothere fance |
| 10:46.25 | Filystyn | fancy* |
| 10:46.29 | Filystyn | is it possible? |
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| 10:47.03 | Filystyn | there must e a way;-) |
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| 10:47.18 | Filystyn | or is linux utf-8 bricked |
| 10:47.29 | Filystyn | im not saying it is bad ;-) |
| 10:47.30 | buu | what does 'install a char set' mean? |
| 10:47.55 | Filystyn | well like locale |
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| 10:48.41 | teraflop | Filystyn: i dont get your question but if you want polish characters set up your locales properly and install a sane font |
| 10:48.51 | Filystyn | ok basicly |
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| 10:49.06 | Filystyn | iconv -l |
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| 10:49.09 | Filystyn | i want them all |
| 10:49.23 | jelly | Filystyn: I don't recognize either "R8" nor "ibr 1025" as a common encoding |
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| 10:49.37 | jelly | which language(s) are you targeting? |
| 10:50.03 | Filystyn | it is not about a language its about encoding (is that how it is called) ? |
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| 10:50.55 | jelly | I realize that but maybe you got the encoding (or character set) names wrong |
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| 10:51.24 | Filystyn | simply iconv -l you can find them there |
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| 10:52.25 | jelly | Filystyn: ok, what charset is R8 supposed to be? Which OS does it come from? |
| 10:52.39 | Filystyn | i have no idea |
| 10:52.42 | teraflop | Filystyn: whats your problem? in plain english |
| 10:52.51 | jelly | Filystyn: so why are you asking? |
| 10:53.21 | Filystyn | my problem: i saw lot's of existing ancient character sets i wanted to compare them to utf-8 |
| 10:53.27 | Filystyn | but to do that i need to have them |
| 10:53.31 | Filystyn | so i can convert them |
| 10:53.33 | buu | my god why |
| 10:53.46 | buu | Filystyn: Just go read the rfc/specs that define the encoding |
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| 10:53.59 | buu | And then find something useful to do |
| 10:54.28 | Filystyn | to test the iconv |
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| 10:54.40 | Filystyn | and i find it interesting |
| 10:54.42 | jelly | Filystyn: linux fonts and only deal with a limited set of often used iso-8859, iso-10646 and some cjk encodings |
| 10:54.55 | jelly | fonts and locale definitions* |
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| 10:55.26 | Filystyn | if that's all why do the linux even tell me all the existing onse |
| 10:55.29 | Filystyn | ones* |
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| 10:55.44 | jelly | because you may have data from other sources. |
| 10:55.48 | Filystyn | now im very disapointed i can not convert to ibm 1025 for example |
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| 10:56.12 | Filystyn | all shuold be suported |
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| 10:56.52 | jelly | Filystyn: you can easily convert to and from ibm 1025, whatever that is, with iconv or recode. |
| 10:56.55 | buu | Filystyn: iconv will convert it |
| 10:57.16 | buu | That's what it does. |
| 10:57.40 | Filystyn | so i do not need the char set to convert to it? |
| 10:57.49 | Filystyn | i will simply not be able to read it yes? |
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| 10:58.01 | jelly | yes |
| 10:58.05 | Filystyn | HOOORREEYYYYY |
| 10:58.12 | Filystyn | man you saved the day |
| 10:58.14 | Filystyn | ;-) |
| 10:58.20 | Filystyn | thank you so much guys |
| 10:58.37 | jelly | wonders which ancient system uses "ibm 1025" |
| 10:58.45 | Filystyn | i will now go and convert some random string to every existing encoding |
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| 10:59.04 | Filystyn | char set or what ever |
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| 10:59.39 | teraflop | heh |
| 10:59.40 | buu | My mind boggles. |
| 11:00.10 | jelly | Filystyn: "charset" denotes the set of available glyphs in a specific font. "encoding" is how each glyph gets represented as data (which bytes) |
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| 11:00.55 | Filystyn | that would be strange because in utf if i use some multibyte char a normal char might become multibyte too as i remember |
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| 11:01.17 | Filystyn | normal i mean that normaly takes one byte |
| 11:01.29 | jelly | some encodings have variable length |
| 11:01.38 | jelly | UTF-8 is one such encoding |
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| 11:06.21 | blackflow | Anyone knows how to configure ssh on Jessie to shut down gracefull when the system is being rebooted? |
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| 11:06.32 | blackflow | *gracefully |
| 11:06.36 | jelly | Filystyn: other encodings have fixed length representations, each character representation takes exactly the same amount of data. In ASCII each character has a 7-bit value. |
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| 11:07.32 | vegardx | blackflow: Gracefully, now? |
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| 11:07.40 | jelly | blackflow: what do you mean gracefully? At reboot time any running processes need to be killed. |
| 11:07.43 | blackflow | vegardx: like Wheezy for example, it disconnects the client |
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| 11:08.11 | jelly | blackflow: what happens for you on jessie instead? |
| 11:08.12 | vegardx | I'd take a look at the systemd services, should be pretty straight forward. Then take a look at the init scripts, see what they did. |
| 11:08.14 | blackflow | running reboot on Wheezy through ssh will disconnect you with a nice message. the message is unimportant, I need it to disconnect. |
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| 11:08.27 | blackflow | jelly: seems like the sshd process is sigkilled and the connection remains hanging |
| 11:08.31 | vegardx | jelly: Probably waiting for the client to disconnect from keepalive |
| 11:08.37 | blackflow | the client has no ide it's being "disconnected" |
| 11:08.40 | blackflow | *idea |
| 11:08.46 | teraflop | uhm |
| 11:09.08 | vegardx | The client /thinks/ it's connected. You could just modify your local keep alive. |
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| 11:09.56 | blackflow | vegardx: how? |
| 11:10.00 | jelly | blackflow: that's weird. |
| 11:10.19 | vegardx | ~/.ssh/config, there you can set things like keepalive and such. |
| 11:10.22 | jelly | blackflow: I get... |
| 11:10.24 | D-Boy | hello, after the display hangs (only the mouse can move) i poweroff/on the desktop now i can't get 1280x1024 display to work the monitor is unknown and only 1024x768 resolution is the max any idea how to fix that |
| 11:10.24 | jelly | The system is going down for reboot NOW!e (pts/1) (Wed Apr 29 13:09:47 2015): |
| 11:10.24 | jelly | Connection to popbox-jessie closed by remote host. |
| 11:10.42 | jelly | blackflow: but then again it's a sysvinit installation |
| 11:10.57 | blackflow | jelly: well yes, this is systemCRAPd issue |
| 11:11.19 | jelly | blackflow: did you look at bug reports already? |
| 11:11.49 | teraflop | blackflow: uhm I get Connection to 192.168.122.11 closed by remote host |
| 11:12.12 | vegardx | teraflop: Because keepalive fails, he's probably behind NAT of some sort, which will make that take some more time. |
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| 11:12.35 | blackflow | jelly: yeah there's one I see now. |
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| 11:13.08 | blackflow | jelly: fixed back in 2010 in the upstream..... |
| 11:13.52 | blackflow | debian bug open since july 2014... wonderful. |
| 11:14.02 | vegardx | I don't really see how this is a bug. It works as intended, the client just doesn't realize that it has been disconnected. Typing a few characters into the session will prompt it to figure it out, or just wait for keep alive. |
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| 11:14.43 | blackflow | vegardx: no it doesn't work as intended. |
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| 11:15.01 | blackflow | unless the "intended" means killall without prejudice. |
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| 11:15.11 | vegardx | That is usually how you stop a process. |
| 11:15.22 | jelly | vegardx: ssh client should see the HUP on the server side and the connection closed |
| 11:15.50 | blackflow | vegardx: nope, it's not. first you call the process own shutdown method. if that fails (no sigchild) you call sigterm. if that fails you do sigkill, all with some sane timeouts of course. |
| 11:16.21 | vegardx | Then figure out how the sysvinit version does it, and implement it in systemd. The problem is not systemd, nor sshd. |
| 11:16.53 | jelly | blackflow: bug number? |
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| 11:17.04 | blackflow | jelly: 751636 |
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| 11:17.27 | blackflow | vegardx: no, it's a systemd issue, even the upstream agrees. |
| 11:17.59 | blackflow | jelly: for reference: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=626477 |
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| 11:19.58 | jelly | blackflow: did you try any of the hack^H^H^H^Hworkarounds proposed? installing libpam-systemd seems to make sense |
| 11:20.13 | teraflop | i get Connection to 192.168.122.11 closed by remote host doing poweroff too |
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| 11:21.41 | blackflow | jelly: I'll check that out thanks |
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| 12:02.43 | inch | How do I disable systemd-rfkill@.service so that it won't come back when systemd package is updated? |
| 12:02.51 | wlfshmn | on pre-jessie, I could incrementally load new md-crypt volumes by restarting the cryptdisks init script. is there a systemd equivalnet that allows me to do this short of rebooting the system? |
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| 12:04.50 | inch | I guess answer to my question is systemctl mask 'systemd-rfkill@.service' |
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| 12:04.52 | petn-randall | inch: Disabled services won't be re-activated on upgrades. |
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| 12:05.40 | petn-randall | inch: 'systemctl disable systemd-rfkill@.service' should be enough, did you observe something unexpected? |
| 12:06.00 | inch | Trying to disable it didn't do anything. |
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| 12:06.52 | inch | I'm trying to set up read-only root. And systemd makes it much more difficult than sysvinit. |
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| 12:07.05 | inch | Ok, perhaps not much, but at least some. |
| 12:07.06 | inch | :-) |
| 12:07.38 | petn-randall | ^_o |
| 12:08.12 | petn-randall | Sounds like a hassle to me. How do you want to keep the machine up-to-date? |
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| 12:08.44 | themill | sliddjur: that file is in freeradius-common not in freeradius |
| 12:09.21 | inch | petn-randall: I wrap /etc/cron.daily/apt in a script that mounts the fs rw and later back to ro (or reboots if that's not possible) |
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| 12:10.59 | petn-randall | inch: So you've got /var on a separate partition? Or where do the logs go? |
| 12:11.09 | inch | logs go to tmpfs |
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| 12:12.41 | inch | This is an installation that is meant for running one single program, so I can just disable most of the stuff that don't like read-only root. |
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| 12:14.01 | petn-randall | inch: Ah, I see. Interesting project. :) |
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| 12:16.01 | monday_ | Did anyone try to upgrade from jessie to new testing? How smooth was it? |
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| 12:16.47 | grig | hi guys |
| 12:17.18 | petn-randall | monday_: It'll get fairly rough in the next few weeks, so I wouldn't upgrade yet. |
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| 12:17.33 | monday_ | Thamks |
| 12:17.37 | monday_ | Thanks |
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| 12:19.45 | converge | what can I see what's (softwares) is being initialized on boot ? |
| 12:20.35 | Brigo | converge, logs |
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| 12:20.53 | petn-randall | converge: run 'systemctl' for an overview, or check the logs. |
| 12:20.55 | Brigo | converge, journalctl -b, for example if you are with systemd. |
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| 12:22.10 | converge | it's debian 7.8, it's using init |
| 12:22.35 | converge | I remember, a log time ago, when I use to open a ncurses software and check the software I wish to initilize at boot time |
| 12:22.40 | converge | do you know it? |
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| 12:23.01 | grig | I have a homework and I need to build a Heartbleed lab. I have a Debian 7 netinstall ISO. Do you know how could I install the older, vulnerable, OpenSSL packages on it? |
| 12:23.08 | colo-work | converge, yes. I last saw that on etch, I think. maybe lenny ;) |
| 12:23.29 | themill | ,i rc-conf |
| 12:23.30 | judd | No package named 'rc-conf' was found in jessie/amd64. |
| 12:23.32 | colo-work | converge, that was just a dialog/curses thingie that created an overview of the symlinks in /etc/rc?.d/ though |
| 12:23.34 | converge | colo-work: that was perfect |
| 12:23.40 | themill | ,i rcconf |
| 12:23.41 | judd | Package rcconf (admin, optional) in jessie/amd64: Debian Runlevel configuration tool. Version: 3.1; Size: 23.2k; Installed: 58k; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/rcconf |
| 12:23.46 | themill | close enough |
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| 12:27.23 | converge | thanks, but it doesnt exist in oldstable :/ |
| 12:27.57 | themill | yes it does |
| 12:28.07 | themill | ,i rcconf --release wheezy |
| 12:28.09 | judd | Package rcconf (admin, optional) in wheezy/amd64: Debian Runlevel configuration tool. Version: 2.5; Size: 23.3k; Installed: 132k; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/rcconf |
| 12:28.48 | converge | themill: https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=rrconf&searchon=names&suite=oldstable§ion=all |
| 12:29.17 | themill | converge: check your spelling |
| 12:29.25 | converge | -_- |
| 12:29.33 | converge | sorry |
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| 12:44.31 | Guest7783 | The syslog seems to save 7 days by default, can we increase this to one month? |
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| 12:47.58 | maurer | Anyone here run archvsync and may be able to help me sith an issue? I'm not trying to limit what archs or suites are being downloaded, but at http://mirrors.aegis.cylab.cmu.edu/debian/dists/stretch/main/ binaries-amd64 is empty, while on http://mirrors.aegis.cylab.cmu.edu/debian/dists/wheezy/main/ it is appropriately populated. Ideas? |
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| 12:50.22 | stackfault | Guest7783: You have to adjust your logrotate configuration. See /etc/logrotate.d/rsyslog to adjust this. |
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| 12:50.58 | Guest7783 | I just change the rotate from 7 to desired value? |
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| 12:53.13 | stackfault | Guest7783: the 'daily' value means you rotate the logs on a daily basis, the 'rotate' value tells how many history files you want to keep. So if want to rotate on a daily basis and keep 30 files, you change 7 to 30. You can also rotate on a weekly or monthly basis. |
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| 12:56.58 | converge | I got this no space left error message, but there is free space on it, can anyone help me ? |
| 12:56.59 | converge | http://paste.debian.net/169902/ |
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| 12:58.50 | Guest7783 | stackfault: done, I do not need to restart anything? |
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| 12:59.38 | stackfault | Guest7783: No need, logrotate will read the configuration files when called by it's cron job. |
| 13:00.51 | wlfshmn | hm, I only get systemd to start half my new luks volumes |
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| 13:03.18 | Guest7783 | Ok stackfault: one more, I see that rsyslog generates a syslog.1.gz and a syslog.save.1 |
| 13:03.24 | Guest7783 | what are the difference between these two? |
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| 13:04.32 | Guest7783 | the only difference is that the gz files are compressed right? |
| 13:04.39 | Guest7783 | Currently I get double space ususage due to this |
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| 13:06.04 | hikenboot | hi does anyone know if there is a generic fcoe adapter that can be used when one does not have physical FCoE cards? running into a non descript error with fcoeadm -i that tells me No connection created but fcoeadm -c <interface name> tells me that the connection is already created! |
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| 13:07.21 | stackfault | Guest7783: You have another logrotate configuration param set for that: compress, nocompress and delaycompress. Compress will rotate the file and compress it, delay compress will wait for the next rotation cycle to compress the file, making it available for easy lookup if needs be. No compress is self-explanatory. You are right, the gz is the compressed file. |
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| 13:08.10 | PercyB | I'm just trying to understand something: I transfered some pdf-files on Debian to a compact flash card. It's been working ok in an ebook reader but suddenly I got the message that it's full and the file manages showed complete nonsense instead of filenames (there was an input/output error message too). |
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| 13:08.32 | Rory | uh oh PercyB how old is this CF card? |
| 13:08.50 | PercyB | Using icat however shows basically the correct file structure with inode numbers, so I can get the files back. |
| 13:09.06 | PercyB | Rory Pretty old, from around 2006-2008 |
| 13:09.08 | stackfault | Guest7783: If you are tight on space, you can use compress on a daily basis, keep less files and use zcat or zgrep to look at the compressed logfile without uncompressing it first. |
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| 13:09.53 | Rory | PercyB: You could use something like testdisk to get the files back |
| 13:09.58 | PercyB | Is this generally a bad idea using a Fat formatted CF card with a linux distro or especially debian? |
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| 13:10.12 | Rory | PercyB: Probably a slightly flaky connector or something that caused some filesystem corruption |
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| 13:10.19 | Rory | It's not a bad idea for this sort of thing PercyB |
| 13:10.31 | PercyB | Rory I did try photorec but basically it's not necessary as icat helps me to recover the files I want |
| 13:11.34 | PercyB | Ok, thx. I'm just wondering that the file structure is basically still there, as it should be, can see the right inodes for files and directories - I just do not understand what was damaged |
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| 13:13.58 | PercyB | Just for clarification: The files can only be seen in the recovery software (icat) but the file managers shows only crazy filenames and sizes |
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| 13:14.20 | stackfault | Guest7783: There is a lot of flexibility made in logrotate, your .save.1 file could be the result of your specific rotation configuration. Take a look at 'man logrotate' for more detailed configuration options. |
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| 13:15.38 | hikenboot | ok since noone in here seems to know anything about the FCoE package, is there anyone that can suggest where one might get help with these packages, they are in testing now |
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| 13:17.00 | anddam | petemc: yep, I'm on systemd |
| 13:17.34 | anddam | it doesn't make me angry but I still don't know it much |
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| 13:23.45 | shay_shay | ^ |
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| 13:25.22 | vegardx | Following the bug tracker I'm trying to modify my apt recipes unattended-upgrades, but this line ""origin=Debian,codename=${distro_codename},label=Debian-Security";" throws a Python callback error. Anyone got unattended-upgrades working across jessie and wheezy with the same config? |
| 13:25.51 | vegardx | Right now the only working solution is to hardcode in oldstable and stable, but that is less than ideal. |
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| 13:27.04 | vegardx | Relevant: https://gist.github.com/vegardx/5f1e204b492b6c2912ae |
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| 13:27.37 | vegardx | The error message is so vague that I have literally no idea where to look. |
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| 13:34.24 | Rory | vegardx: How's your Python? |
| 13:34.41 | darxmurf | How is it working to extend a MDRaid ? I have a setup with 6 HDD, 4 MD Arrays, MD1 1x160Gb /, MD2 1x160 /datas, MD3 1x110Gb /home, MD4 1x30 Gb SWAP. I did a swapoff, deleted the swap partition, shrinked the MD4 to 2Gb and recreated a SWAP space. Now how can I extend MD1 ? |
| 13:35.03 | darxmurf | I tried with mdadm --grow /dev/md1 --size=max but it does not change it |
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| 13:35.29 | darxmurf | I tried to force the size but it say there is no more space |
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| 13:36.12 | hikenboot | darxmurf, not sure but doesnt the swap have to be off in order to grow it? |
| 13:36.24 | vegardx | Rory: Standard, this is a completely fresh install. |
| 13:36.55 | darxmurf | I did shrink it from 30Gb to 2Gb, not I want to grow the / |
| 13:37.00 | vegardx | This has to be a bug too, you cannot use Debian wheezy on allowed origins. It /has/ to be Debian oldstable. Which you /have/ to hardcode. |
| 13:37.03 | Rory | vegardx: I mean you personally, how comfortable would you be debugging this by editing files and spamming "print" statements? |
| 13:37.11 | vegardx | Rory: Ah, very little. |
| 13:37.25 | jelly | darxmurf: did you increase the partitions under md1? |
| 13:37.37 | Rory | vegardx: I want to know what the value is "s" is before split() is called on it |
| 13:37.38 | darxmurf | using mdadm --grow ? |
| 13:37.41 | jelly | s/increase/grow/ |
| 13:37.52 | jelly | darxmurf: no, using a partition table editor |
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| 13:38.14 | darxmurf | resize2fs should do it no ? |
| 13:38.17 | vegardx | Rory: I think the problem there was that I mixed allowed origins and origin-patterns. |
| 13:38.19 | darxmurf | after the --grow |
| 13:38.26 | kvymx | clear |
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| 13:38.33 | jelly | darxmurf: no, that's for the filesystem |
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| 13:38.51 | vegardx | But I'm still not able to set the actual codename for wheezy in allowed origins, which is less than ideal. |
| 13:38.58 | darxmurf | okay I'll check that but I can't to it on a / partition I think |
| 13:38.59 | darxmurf | :) |
| 13:39.09 | jelly | darxmurf: pastebin the output of "lsblk" |
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| 13:39.33 | vegardx | I don't want unattended upgrades to install updates to another distro by mistake a few years down the line when jessie becomes oldstable and wheezy becomes oldoldstable. |
| 13:40.04 | darxmurf | jelly : http://pastebin.com/cb0c9x5D |
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| 13:40.56 | themill | vegardx: that certainly correlates with other reports of what unattended-upgrades does. But then you're not putting more than one release in your sources.list are you? It's then only inconvenient to configure and not dangerous. |
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| 13:41.12 | darxmurf | there is this 9.4Gb partition |
| 13:41.14 | darxmurf | what't that |
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| 13:41.44 | darxmurf | okay I see |
| 13:41.53 | darxmurf | I have to delete sd*4 |
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| 13:42.19 | darxmurf | I would say it's logical in the end |
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| 13:44.14 | darxmurf | so, I should mdadm --stop /dev/md3, delete the partitions on all disks, extend the other MD and resize it |
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| 13:44.54 | jelly | darxmurf: if you want to grow md1 you'll have to move sd*3 and then extend the size of sd*2 to be able to grow md1 |
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| 13:45.58 | darxmurf | oh sh*t yes :-/ |
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| 13:47.09 | vegardx | themill: You're right, seems like I should be able to keep things straight. |
| 13:47.11 | darxmurf | Well... and all this to free up 20Gb... |
| 13:47.50 | darxmurf | I'll better replace all the disks of this machine with bigger ones and transfer that to new, bigger, partitions |
| 13:47.57 | utilisateursecon | Please can you help me to use testdisk ? |
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| 13:50.09 | utilisateursecon | I have done a bad use of foremost to recover datas and now there is a "free" partition on my extern hard disk where I have tryied to recover. |
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| 13:50.25 | themill | vegardx: Looks like #647883 btw and it looks like it needs someone to really work out what should happen and then jfdi. |
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| 13:50.51 | darxmurf | utilisateursecon: il n'a a pas moult' options pour testdisk il me semble non ? |
| 13:50.59 | utilisateursecon | I am trying to recover with tesdisk but I do not know how to choose to save the lost partition on my intern hard disk. |
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| 13:51.24 | utilisateursecon | Comment ça darxmurf ? |
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| 13:51.37 | vegardx | themill: Yeah, basically just backport the codename feature to wheezy from jessie. |
| 13:51.53 | vegardx | I'm sure more people will hit it in the coming weeks, so hopefully it'll speed things up |
| 13:51.54 | darxmurf | il va te recréer une table de partition sur un disque que t'as effacé il me semble non ? |
| 13:52.24 | utilisateursecon | ok |
| 13:52.38 | darxmurf | si tu fais un testdisk /dev/sdX ça donne quoi ? |
| 13:52.45 | darxmurf | (sdx étant ton disque àrécupérer) |
| 13:53.12 | karlpinc | darxmurf: French? |
| 13:53.18 | themill | vegardx: sadly, it hasn't in the previous few years |
| 13:54.07 | darxmurf | me ? Swiss |
| 13:54.07 | darxmurf | :) |
| 13:54.19 | darxmurf | but we speak french yep. |
| 13:54.29 | karlpinc | darxmurf: Was going to point you to the <fr> factoid. |
| 13:54.43 | darxmurf | nop :o |
| 13:54.44 | utilisateursecon | testdisk -> happend -> hard disk dev/sdX -> et làje ne sais pas si je dois choisir intel ou none |
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| 13:56.17 | utilisateursecon | darxmurf |
| 13:56.22 | darxmurf | utilisateursecon: http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk_Step_By_Step |
| 13:56.33 | darxmurf | t'as un guide par là:-) |
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| 13:56.55 | utilisateursecon | Je le suis déja |
| 13:57.04 | maurer | How can I set the default version of llvm pointed to by llvm-config |
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| 13:57.58 | utilisateursecon | je n'ai pas le même problème |
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| 13:58.10 | PercyB | Hmm, it seems that using devices formatted in fat on debian leads often to problematic issues (recently it just did not mount one specific directory [showed as 0 byte]. however win did open it after some repair). |
| 13:58.19 | darxmurf | utilisateursecon: c'était quoi comme disque ? |
| 13:58.29 | darxmurf | table de partition je veux dire |
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| 13:58.34 | darxmurf | MBR ou GPT ? |
| 13:58.51 | utilisateursecon | Ma partition a été partiellement erndue libre par foremost accidentellement et je veux la rendre comme avant pour lancer une récupération de données éffacées sur l'ancienne partition. |
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| 13:59.35 | darxmurf | oui mais MBR ou GPT ? |
| 14:00.02 | darxmurf | mais apparemment testdisk détecte tout seul |
| 14:00.11 | utilisateursecon | Je n'en ai jaùais entendu parler. Je commence. |
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| 14:00.44 | darxmurf | si il a choisi intel par défaut alors lance la recherche |
| 14:00.44 | utilisateursecon | MASTER BOOT RECORD ? |
| 14:00.55 | darxmurf | MBR |
| 14:00.57 | darxmurf | donc intel |
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| 14:01.13 | utilisateursecon | si MBR = master boot record, alors c'est ça. |
| 14:01.30 | darxmurf | enfin c'est un peu mauvais comme définition mais c'est l'option que tu dois choisir, INTEL/PC |
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| 14:02.02 | utilisateursecon | Je fais analyse maintenant ? |
| 14:02.07 | darxmurf | oui |
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| 14:02.17 | darxmurf | mais t'as perdu une partition ou modifié la structure ? |
| 14:02.23 | utilisateursecon | fait |
| 14:03.41 | deitarion | I've got a copy of screen on one of my machines that requires me to manually kill windows with backgrounded tasks to get them to close. Anyone know how to fix this? |
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| 14:04.56 | deitarion | Note: I'm using screen parlance, so, in other words, it requires me to manually `C-a k` tabs that still have something like `git gui &` in them. |
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| 14:05.35 | anddam | I see gwave package is in oldoldstable and sid, do I need a backport to have that in jessie? |
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| 14:07.38 | utilisateursecon | darxmux : je ne sais pas, j'ai juste utilisé foremost et la seule partition qu'il y avait sur le disque a rétrécit et laissé place en partie a une partition "libre". |
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| 14:10.21 | Marethyu | Hello. Is it possible, on a X11 system, to display a picture in Python without any window, and a transparent background ? |
| 14:11.10 | Marethyu | I'd like to make a little widget for my desktop. |
| 14:11.30 | deitarion | Marethyu: Everything in X11 is a window. The question is what kind. |
| 14:11.44 | utilisateursecon | darmux : c'est normal ? |
| 14:12.03 | Marethyu | Soooo... Is it possible to make a transparent window, with, for example, PyQt4 or PyGTK ? |
| 14:12.14 | deitarion | Marethyu: What desktop environment are you using? (That'll determine what advice I give) |
| 14:12.48 | Marethyu | Xfce |
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| 14:13.10 | deitarion | Marethyu: With or without desktop icons? |
| 14:13.26 | Marethyu | Without. |
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| 14:13.37 | deitarion | Marethyu: ...and with or without compositing? |
| 14:14.17 | clearleapmatt | @deitarion my client only shows me the last few lines from my open windows, and I was really confused about why you were talking about gardening / recycling |
| 14:14.40 | Marethyu | I'm not sure to know what is compositing... |
| 14:15.15 | deitarion | Marethyu: Give me a sec to dig out my OpenPandora handheld and I'll tell you what setting you need to check. (I run LXDE on my desktop to save resources for actual work) |
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| 14:15.33 | Marethyu | Okay, thanks ! |
| 14:16.16 | deitarion | Marethyu: Settings > Window Manager Tweaks > Compositor > Enable display compositing |
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| 14:16.26 | deitarion | Is that checked or unchecked? |
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| 14:16.54 | darxmurf | je ne connais pas foremost mais il n'est pas censé toucher aux partoches :-/ |
| 14:17.21 | Marethyu | It is enabled because I only have the choice to restart it or disable it. |
| 14:17.24 | deitarion | clearleapmatt: I'm not sure how you'd get gardening/recycling from what I was talking about. |
| 14:17.53 | deitarion | Marethyu: Ok, then here are your options: |
| 14:18.27 | deitarion | Marethyu: I'm no Xfce expert but, because you don't have desktop icons, you *may* be able to draw a non-interactive widget directly to the root window. |
| 14:19.20 | Marethyu | Now the question is how :^) I'll google it. |
| 14:19.23 | deitarion | Marethyu: With or without compositing, you can use the X11 XSHAPE extension to cut a window down to a bitmasked shape. (This is what xeyes does) |
| 14:20.07 | deitarion | Marethyu: With compositing, you can add an alpha channel to a window (possibly after XSHAPE-ing it) and get anti-aliased curved edges and translucency. |
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| 14:20.49 | utilisateursecon | Comment ça darxmurf ? |
| 14:20.56 | deitarion | Marethyu: Since you're using Xfce, you'll want to use PyGTK or PyGI for your GUI. |
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| 14:21.23 | deitarion | Marethyu: I don't like GTK+ 3.x, so I can only give you links and sample code for PyGTK. |
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| 14:21.36 | Tilgaht | a/bu23 |
| 14:21.41 | Tilgaht | sorry |
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| 14:21.58 | Marethyu | GTK isn't a problem. Can I have the links ? |
| 14:22.26 | deitarion | Marethyu: Here's an example for a shaped window --> http://whatah.nyunderground.net/code/codesnippets/shapedwindow.py |
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| 14:23.12 | deitarion | Marethyu: To get rid of the titlebar and borders, you can call set_decorated(False) on your gtk.Window. |
| 14:23.22 | Marethyu | Looks great. Thanks! |
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| 14:23.58 | deitarion | Marethyu: Give me a sec and I'll find you a link for using compositing to make what remains translucent. |
| 14:24.16 | Marethyu | Alright |
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| 14:25.32 | deitarion | Marethyu: Here are a couple of StackOverflow answers that cover it: http://stackoverflow.com/a/4902541/435253 http://stackoverflow.com/q/19577367/435253 |
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| 14:27.34 | Marethyu | Nice ! Thanks a lot your help |
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| 14:28.39 | deitarion | Marethyu: Two other tips: |
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| 14:29.10 | deitarion | Marethyu: First, if you want to create something like an OSD and don't want it draggable, initialize your gtk.Window with type=gtk.WINDOW_POPUP rather than the default of gtk.WINDOW_TOPLEVEL. (That'll exclude it from the window manager's influence) |
| 14:30.14 | Marethyu | Okay |
| 14:30.44 | deitarion | Marethyu: Second, I forget the exact name of the method on gtk.Window or gtk.gdk.Window to do it, but set the right one of these constants so the Window Manager knows how to treat it. --> http://pygtk.org/docs/pygtk/gdk-constants.html#gdk-window-type-hint-constants |
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| 14:32.28 | Marethyu | Nice. Thanks a lot ! :-) |
| 14:32.54 | deitarion | Not a problem. I've done stuff similar to or overlapping with what you want in the past, so it was an easy answer. |
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| 14:34.53 | clearleapmatt | @deitarion compositing = composting in my mind. |
| 14:34.54 | Guest84841 | So, my question might be stupid but... Debian guide says you can use Win32DiskImager to make a bootable USB drive, but can I use ImgBurn to do this? |
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| 14:35.03 | deitarion | clearleapmatt: Ahh. |
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| 14:35.37 | deitarion | Guest84841: If ImgBurn is what I think it is, then it's specific to CDs and DVDs. |
| 14:36.05 | deitarion | Guest84841: USB drives are more like hard drives and you can't use a CD/DVD-burning tool to set up a hard drive. |
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| 14:36.29 | utilisateursecon | Partition: Write error |
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| 14:37.42 | deitarion | Guest84841: If you want a better understanding of what's going on, the Slackware-based Slax and Porteus LiveUSB/LiveCD distros have "make bootable USB drive" scripts that are simple batch files (Windows) or shell scripts (Linux). |
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| 14:38.18 | Guest84841 | deitarion: Thanks, I'll check those out. |
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| 14:39.00 | deitarion | The other option, if you want something more automatic, would be a tool like Unetbootin, which can either download or be given a CD image and write it to a USB stick. |
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| 14:39.34 | mtn | !unetbootin |
| 14:39.34 | dpkg | UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ Not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>. |
| 14:39.36 | darxmurf | utilisateursecon: désolé je dois te laisser je reviens dans 1h |
| 14:40.44 | deitarion | Quirks aside, there are three major phases to installing your typical CD image to a USB stick: Unpack the ISO like a zip file using something like 7-zip, copy the files over, and install the bootloader. |
| 14:41.29 | deitarion | mtn: Thanks. I wasn't aware that Unetbootin had issues with Debian. |
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| 14:42.23 | sailcat | 1. download debian.iso 2. cp debian.iso /dev/sdX |
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| 14:42.55 | PercyB | !win32diskimager |
| 14:42.55 | dpkg | win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ . Adjust the file mask from *.img to *.* if it doesn't show our .iso images. See <usb install> and <install debian> for further details. |
| 14:43.03 | deitarion | sailcat: Wouldn't that rely on the BIOS knowing how to deal with ISO images on non-ATAPI devices? I'm not sure I want to give that much credit. |
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| 14:43.34 | mtn | deitarion: it works very well with debian. couldn't be any easier |
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| 14:45.08 | Brigo | deitarion, win32diskimager works without problem from years, unless unetbootin |
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| 14:46.08 | deitarion | Brigo: the only copy of Windows I have is the copy of Windows 3.11 on my old P1 133MHz nostalgia PC. The only reason I might even consider Unetbootin is because it's portable to Linux. |
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| 14:46.38 | deitarion | Well, and the modern.ie testing VMs in my VirtualBox. |
| 14:46.43 | shay_shay | deitarion: you don't need unetbootin. win32diskimager is dd for windows |
| 14:46.44 | Brigo | deitarion, so you can use linux to create the usb stick? |
| 14:47.31 | deitarion | Brigo: Guest84841 is the one creating the USB stick. I've already got several Porteus sticks that I use. |
| 14:47.50 | Brigo | deitarion, ah, sorry, then. |
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| 14:48.25 | Brigo | deitarion, but sailcat is rigth, that system works out perfectly. |
| 14:48.44 | shay_shay | as others have said, Debian uses hybrid isos which were meant to be written directly to USB drives. doing something else is just asking for trouble for no reason |
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| 14:49.36 | deitarion | Interesting. I'm surprised I hadn't heard of that kind of hybrid ISOs before. The only kind I knew was ISO/HFS hybrids. |
| 14:50.02 | deitarion | !hybrid images |
| 14:50.03 | dpkg | Since the 6.0 "Squeeze" release, Debian installation images for x86 systems - e.g. <netinst>, <CD1>, DVD1 - are hybrid images. These can be written directly to CD or HD Media (e.g. USB thumbdrive) without further preparation. See http://www.debian.org/News/project/2010/14/#hybrid for details. See also <install debian>, <usb install>. |
| 14:50.27 | shay_shay | for a recovery system that is persistent, try grml with overlay fs: https://wiki.grml.org/doku.php?id=persistency |
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| 14:50.41 | owkword | hello! |
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| 14:51.49 | owkword | i recently upgraded to jessie, and it seems like a lot of my installed fonts have gone missing. many programs use different, uglier, fonts than they did before the upgrade. is this a known issue? i unfortunately don't quite remember which font packages i had installed before the upgrade... |
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| 14:52.48 | deitarion | shay_shay: *nod* Porteus offers something similar but I prefer to persist only the stuff I know I want by copying it into /porteus/rootcopy. (Basically, an overlay that's applied by recursive copy on boot) |
| 14:52.54 | mtn | owkword: how did you install the missing fonts in the first place? |
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| 14:53.21 | deitarion | Correction: $THUMBDRIVE/porteus/rootcopy |
| 14:53.54 | shay_shay | deitarion: at least grml is a Debian based live system which makes more sense to recommend in #debian than a Slackware based one |
| 14:54.27 | jelly | shay_shay: also it's pretty and comes with screen and zsh! |
| 14:54.33 | shay_shay | ^ |
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| 14:54.43 | deitarion | *nod* I probably should have clarified by adding "Do you know if there's something similar for Debian?" to the end of that. |
| 14:54.55 | owkword | mtn: that's the problem, i don't remember. a search for packages containing the word 'ttf' show a lot of packages labelled 'transitional dummy package' so i thought it might be caused by some recent rearrangement of the font packages. |
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| 14:55.40 | mtn | owkword: if you installed them manually, not with the package manager, that could be the cause. not knowing which ones they are will make it difficult to help. |
| 14:56.48 | owkword | mtn: no, i definitely used the package manager. i didn't have any fonts that didn't come from the debian repositories. |
| 14:57.00 | owkword | though i don't know if some of them may have been non-free or not. |
| 14:57.22 | mtn | owkword: do you still have contrib and non-free in your sources? |
| 14:57.45 | owkword | mtn: yep, all i changed was replacing 'wheezy' with 'jessie'. |
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| 14:58.15 | p3rror | I have a directory mounted via nfs |
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| 14:58.22 | p3rror | when I run umount |
| 14:58.24 | p3rror | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:58.25 | p3rror | umount.nfs: /tmp/rtpa: device is busy |
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| 15:03.31 | apg | Cendol, Gan, |
| 15:04.07 | Brigo | p3rror, and the question is? |
| 15:04.28 | p3rror | how to umount the fs |
| 15:04.34 | p3rror | it is in stale stat |
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| 15:06.38 | p3rror | Brigo: any idea |
| 15:06.48 | teraflop | p3rror: try lazy, umount -l |
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| 15:07.18 | Brigo | or use lsof to find out who are using that file. |
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| 15:09.25 | p3rror | teraflop: it is worked thank you |
| 15:09.30 | teraflop | p3rror: np |
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| 15:15.32 | PercyB | Just realized that the fat(sd-card/cf-flash)-issue is an old problem on linux; http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=24828 I guess the best way is to stop using such cards with linux... |
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| 15:17.57 | rootkea | $ sudo cp debian-8.0.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso /dev/sdb creates two partitions on USB stick (4GB and 426KB) How to create another partition to hold firmware files? |
| 15:18.32 | rootkea | gparted reports error. "Error: The backup GPT table is not at the end of the disk, as it should be. This might mean that another operating system believes the disk is smaller. Fix, by moving the backup to the end (and removing the old backup)?" I went along the suggested "fix" options but couldn't create another partition. |
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| 15:19.59 | shay_shay | rootkea calculate the size of the iso and then make a new partition starting at that position (or maybe a smidge after to give it some wiggle room) in the command line version of parted. it helps if you have automount disabled if you're using xfce |
| 15:20.12 | rootkea | fdisk allows to create a partition (issues a warning though) but then can't boot from USB stick. "isolinux.bin missing or corrupt" |
| 15:21.02 | shay_shay | you can make the partition but you can't use the defaults. it's not properly detecting the end of the existing partitions |
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| 15:21.23 | shay_shay | so the default setting in fdisk is nuking it, which is my guess |
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| 15:21.43 | rootkea | I used the default vaues. Yes. |
| 15:21.47 | shay_shay | it works when you calculate the size of the iso and tell fdisk where to make the partition |
| 15:21.59 | rootkea | ok. |
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| 15:22.16 | rootkea | Trying now. |
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| 15:26.46 | shay_shay | rootkea: remember there's a difference between megabyte and mebibyte |
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| 15:28.25 | rroo | how do I install 8.0 in an existing LVM over LUKS partition? |
| 15:28.57 | rroo | it doesn't seem to ask me the existing password |
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| 15:34.34 | karlpinc | rroo: You may need to switch the vt to a shell and use cryptsetup to unlock the lvm. |
| 15:34.48 | karlpinc | rroo: Dunno, but that would work. |
| 15:35.17 | rroo | ok, thanks karlpinc I will try |
| 15:35.28 | karlpinc | rroo: The other thing you definately want for something like that is to be running the installer in expert mode. |
| 15:35.46 | karlpinc | rroo: (Not, essential, but would save hassle.) |
| 15:36.02 | TomyLobo2 | debian wheezy. "service foo status" shows nothing, while "/etc/init.d/foo" works correctly. I wrote foo, what is wrong? |
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| 15:36.14 | rroo | ok, I am in expert mode |
| 15:36.39 | TomyLobo2 | the "service" manpage pretty much says it only runs the init.d script |
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| 15:37.37 | nidhoegger | Hello. Im having a delicate little problem: I had experimental packages in the sources.list active and upgraded the system. how can i downgrade everything to stable again? |
| 15:37.41 | karlpinc | TomyLobo2: So does your foo script take a status arg? |
| 15:37.42 | TomyLobo2 | "invoke-rc.d foo status" works correctly |
| 15:38.08 | TomyLobo2 | karlpinc yes, sorry i meant "/etc/init.d/foo status" |
| 15:38.15 | wlfshmn | nidhoegger: pin stable at 1001 and upgrade again, and pray the downgrades don't break anything |
| 15:38.39 | wlfshmn | nidhoegger: https://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
| 15:38.49 | nidhoegger | thx |
| 15:38.59 | wlfshmn | nidhoegger: downgrades aren't technically supported, but usually work anyway |
| 15:39.05 | TomyLobo2 | $? for "service foo status" is 1, and 0 for invoke-rc.d and etc |
| 15:39.16 | nidhoegger | thx |
| 15:39.19 | nidhoegger | pin to stable? |
| 15:40.08 | nidhoegger | okay, got it |
| 15:40.08 | wlfshmn | pin-priority over 1000 |
| 15:40.11 | wlfshmn | nidhoegger: |
| 15:40.11 | nidhoegger | lets do this an pray :( |
| 15:40.14 | wlfshmn | nidhoegger: "Note that a priority above 1000 will allow even downgrades no matter the version of the prioritary package. This means that you can use priority 1001 for a stable source if you want to downgrade to the stable versions of the packages you have installed (let's say from testing) on the system. this is not recommended unless the number of changes are minimal " |
| 15:40.44 | nidhoegger | apt-get upgrade wont install anything :( |
| 15:40.47 | jelly | nidhoegger: apt won't pull packages from experimental automatically |
| 15:41.06 | nidhoegger | jelly, i know, it was a mistake i made |
| 15:41.07 | karlpinc | TomyLobo2: Dunno. Random guess: insserv has not been run to setup the symlinks, or something like that. No clue really. |
| 15:41.17 | jelly | you'd have to have done something really dumb like apt-get -t experimental upgrade |
| 15:41.20 | nidhoegger | wlfshmn, got the pinning ready, but apt-get upgrade wont do anything |
| 15:41.28 | wlfshmn | nidhoegger: he is saying: are you sure you actually installed packages from experimental? |
| 15:41.36 | nidhoegger | yes |
| 15:41.46 | nidhoegger | at least something in my system is broken |
| 15:41.49 | TomyLobo2 | karlpinc hmm, wouldnt invoke-rc.d require the same? |
| 15:41.53 | nidhoegger | i cant install anything as the packages are "too new" |
| 15:42.18 | gniourf | why the fuck is the default editor nano? |
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| 15:42.28 | gniourf | why isn't ed installed by default? |
| 15:42.33 | TomyLobo2 | gniourf because everyone can use nano |
| 15:42.40 | TomyLobo2 | not everyone can use ed/vi/emacs |
| 15:42.41 | mlowe | lol |
| 15:42.43 | srg | gniourf: Fork debian and make a distro with ed in the base system. |
| 15:42.46 | srg | :-| |
| 15:42.50 | gniourf | come on |
| 15:42.54 | gniourf | be serious |
| 15:43.02 | srg | I've never used ed in my life. |
| 15:43.04 | srg | Or nano. |
| 15:43.08 | srg | or emacs. |
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| 15:43.28 | TomyLobo2 | srg then you can probably only use nano and not the other two :) |
| 15:43.31 | mlowe | i have used all @ times |
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| 15:43.34 | gniourf | even Ubuntu has ed installed by default |
| 15:43.35 | mlowe | even vim |
| 15:43.37 | srg | hm |
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| 15:43.43 | TomyLobo2 | or vi |
| 15:43.48 | nidhoegger | wlfshmn, wont install anything... |
| 15:43.52 | TomyLobo2 | @srg or vi |
| 15:44.07 | nidhoegger | Package: * | Pin: release a=stable | Pin-Priority: 1001 |
| 15:44.10 | gniourf | sudo -e and I have fucking lots of jjjkkkkjjjlllll on my file |
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| 15:44.18 | srg | Anyway, I came here to ask about a firewall package. What's a good one for stretch? I've heard some things about ucf? |
| 15:44.31 | TomyLobo2 | i use vi and vim synonymously, btw. i dont know the difference and never cared |
| 15:44.35 | wlfshmn | and you have an apt proferences file specifying "Pin: release a=stable" ? |
| 15:44.46 | wlfshmn | ah, right |
| 15:44.52 | rootkea | I am unable to load firmware at the time of installing Debian 8.0 Can I add it later after installing the Debian? |
| 15:44.54 | gniourf | I guess it's less surprising for people used to *nix administration to have vi as the default editor |
| 15:45.07 | gniourf | and people who are new to that, well, sorry for them, but they'll have to learn |
| 15:45.10 | darxmurf | if I do an autofs restart, it will unmount/kill the actual mount points ? |
| 15:45.16 | gniourf | or let them use windows |
| 15:45.24 | darxmurf | if somebody is using them ? |
| 15:45.25 | Brigo | rootkea, yes, if you don't need the hardware. |
| 15:45.30 | wlfshmn | nidhoegger: that shoudl do it, now "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" should be enough to downgrade anything not from stable to it |
| 15:45.42 | nidhoegger | nope |
| 15:45.44 | TomyLobo2 | gniourf elitism is not a good guiding policy for a general purpose distro |
| 15:45.45 | nidhoegger | does nothing |
| 15:45.58 | gniourf | oh, so Debian is now a general purpose distro? |
| 15:46.03 | TomyLobo2 | maybe you can get away with that on arch or slackware or something arcane like that |
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| 15:46.11 | gniourf | I thought Ubuntu was for that market |
| 15:46.21 | wlfshmn | nidhoegger: it should, I have no idea why it wouldn't |
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| 15:46.36 | nidhoegger | But if i try to reinstall every package i get e.g.: Erneute Installation von libjpeg8 ist nicht möglich, (reinstall of libjpeg8 not possible, it cant be downloaded) |
| 15:46.49 | TomyLobo2 | gniourf i used debian for 3 major releases on my old laptop, until the screen died |
| 15:46.51 | wlfshmn | libjpeg8 was removed in jessie |
| 15:46.55 | rootkea | Brigo, No. I need it. But I think I can get way without it while installing the Debian. But does that mean I won't be able to use the hardware later since I didn't load the firmware at install time? |
| 15:46.57 | nidhoegger | i have wheezy |
| 15:47.10 | rootkea | *away |
| 15:47.12 | wlfshmn | fair enough, it's in there |
| 15:47.12 | hassoon | has jessie |
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| 15:47.32 | hassoon | SynrGy: thank you pal. |
| 15:47.44 | wlfshmn | I just happened to e fighting libjpeg8 myself yesterday, I don't typically memorize the packages file |
| 15:48.38 | Brigo | rootkea, i meant if you don't need it during install. You wil be able of using your hardware as soon as you install the firmware. |
| 15:48.39 | teraflop | ^ linjpegturbowhatever? |
| 15:49.00 | anddam | how (un)recommended is to add those two unstable lines to my jessie sources.list ? http://packages.siduction.org/lxqt/ |
| 15:49.04 | rootkea | @Brigo - Ok. Thanks |
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| 15:49.43 | Brigo | rootkea, yw :) |
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| 15:51.21 | rootkea | 3 Days back when I was installinjg Debian 7.8.0 my mouse touchpad (sybnaptics ) was working during graphical install but today when I tried to install 8.0 in graphical way my touchpad isn't working at all. |
| 15:51.38 | rootkea | Though I can use the USB mouse. |
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| 15:52.28 | rootkea | So what does that mean? Does it mean 8.0 has no synaptics driver in default install? |
| 15:52.36 | nidhoegger | is there any issue in installing libcurl4-openssl-dev on wheezy? |
| 15:52.54 | nidhoegger | i get unmet dependencies for that package |
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| 15:53.14 | rootkea | Will I be able to configure my non working touchpad later after installing the Jessie? |
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| 15:56.59 | rootkea | @shay_shay - Well this time it worked. Installation started but the installer couldn't find the firmware which is there by the way in newly created FAT partition. Looks like I got to leave the thought of installing the firmware at the time of install. :( |
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| 15:58.06 | Brigo | rootkea, have you try the images with non-free included? |
| 15:58.32 | anddam | there are tools in debian to install and manage packages in /usr/local using autotools, I remember I used two different ones but I cannot remember their names. What are they? |
| 15:58.59 | rootkea | I downloaded amd64 dvd1 iso. I think netinstall images have the option of non-free included images |
| 15:59.23 | Brigo | anddam, may be checkinstall? |
| 15:59.27 | Brigo | !checkinstall |
| 15:59.28 | dpkg | CheckInstall is a program that tracks all files installed by "make install" (or equivalent), creates a Debian (or other) package with those files, and adds it to the installed packages database, allowing for easy package removal or distribution. http://asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/ See also <stow>. |
| 15:59.46 | anddam | Brigo: maybe, I'll check checkinstall, thanks |
| 16:00.00 | anddam | !stow |
| 16:00.00 | dpkg | hmm... stow is a nifty program used to manage a /usr/local/ hierarchy. It keeps all the programs separate, so you can install and remove them without playing the "which program does that file belong to" game; ask me about <stow usage>. http://www.gnu.org/software/stow . See also <usrlocal>, <uupdate>. |
| 16:00.01 | Brigo | anddam, yw :) |
| 16:00.15 | anddam | Brigo: can you possibly help me with the lxqt thing as well? |
| 16:00.40 | Brigo | anddam, what's that? |
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| 16:00.43 | anddam | there's a unstable repo and I have plain jessie sources.list (bpaste coming) |
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| 16:02.06 | anddam | https://gist.github.com/anddam/f4c00a63ed73266feabf this is my sources list and this is the suggested deb-lines for lxqt http://packages.siduction.org/lxqt/ |
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| 16:02.32 | anddam | namely I'm thinking about my "sid main contrib non-free" line |
| 16:02.43 | anddam | btw someone suggested me to switch to http.debian.net |
| 16:03.00 | anddam | I probably forgot, http.debian.net automatically redirect to a mirror, right? |
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| 16:03.19 | Brigo | anddam, right |
| 16:03.42 | Brigo | anddam, do you want to add that lxqt to your repository? |
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| 16:04.14 | srg | When allowing ICMP, what --state do I want to allow? NEW,ESTABLISHED,RELATED? Or just NEW,ESTABLISHED? Or no state? |
| 16:04.21 | nidhoegger | can someone help me on this issue: http://nopaste.linux-dev.org/?462061 |
| 16:05.13 | Brigo | srg, NEW,ESTABLISHED is ok but for ftp you will need RELATED too. |
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| 16:06.25 | srg | Ok, I'm not using FTP so I'll leave out RELATED |
| 16:06.28 | srg | thanks! |
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| 16:07.02 | anddam | Brigo: I'd like to try it, I'm wondering if it can be troublesome |
| 16:07.29 | Brigo | anddam, try to add that repo you mean? |
| 16:07.37 | Brigo | srg, yw :) |
| 16:07.48 | nidhoegger | no one? |
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| 16:08.27 | anddam | Brigo: yes |
| 16:08.40 | Brigo | nidhoegger, hold on |
| 16:08.50 | anddam | Brigo: busy time eh? |
| 16:08.58 | Brigo | anddam, you can try, but be aware that is not support here. |
| 16:09.03 | Brigo | !frankendebian |
| 16:09.03 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
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| 16:09.19 | Brigo | nidhoegger, did you build a frankendebian too? |
| 16:09.33 | nidhoegger | what? |
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| 16:10.21 | nidhoegger | no, i only have official repos |
| 16:10.28 | nidhoegger | but i guess i might have installed something from experimental |
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| 16:11.14 | Brigo | ,v libcurl4-openssl-dev |
| 16:11.16 | judd | Package: libcurl4-openssl-dev on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 7.21.0-2.1+squeeze8; squeeze: 7.21.0-2.1+squeeze8; squeeze-security-lts: 7.21.0-2.1+squeeze11; wheezy: 7.26.0-1+wheezy11; wheezy-proposed-updates: 7.26.0-1+wheezy13; wheezy-security: 7.26.0-1+wheezy13; jessie: 7.38.0-4; jessie-proposed-updates: 7.38.0-4+deb8u1; jessie-security: 7.38.0-4+deb8u1; stretch: 7.42.0-1; sid: |
| 16:11.18 | judd | 7.42.0-1 |
| 16:11.31 | Brigo | nidhoegger, what version are you trying to install? |
| 16:11.39 | nidhoegger | how can i check that? |
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| 16:12.58 | Brigo | apt-cache show libcurl4-openssl-dev |
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| 16:13.26 | nidhoegger | Version: 7.26.0-1+wheezy11 |
| 16:14.00 | Brigo | nidhoegger, are you using wheezy, then? |
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| 16:14.05 | nidhoegger | yes |
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| 16:14.46 | Brigo | nidhoegger, from you paste you can see the dependecies, try to install them. |
| 16:15.07 | nidhoegger | does not work, i get similar messages until i reach a package that is "already installed" |
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| 16:16.09 | Brigo | nidhoegger, could you paste that outputs? |
| 16:16.14 | wlfshmn | nidhoegger: you know, I know where we went wrong |
| 16:16.20 | Brigo | those* |
| 16:16.29 | wlfshmn | nidhoegger: you can't pin to stable, as stable is now jessie |
| 16:17.07 | nidhoegger | wtf? |
| 16:17.12 | nidhoegger | since when? did i miss that? |
| 16:17.24 | nidhoegger | hmmm... then the easiest way would be an upgrade to jessie |
| 16:17.40 | nidhoegger | or is that a wrong thought? |
| 16:17.40 | wlfshmn | nidhoegger: try pinning to oldstable instead |
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| 16:17.53 | nidhoegger | if a dist-upgrade would fix it too that would also be fine |
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| 16:18.06 | jelly | or, since you already have wheezy installed, just avoid pinning and remove any newer repos? |
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| 16:18.34 | wlfshmn | nidhoegger: at the very least, not pinning to jessie likely changes your error messages, because it is certain to have complicated apt's dependency resolution ;) |
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| 16:19.00 | jelly | !basic apt troubleshooting |
| 16:19.00 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 16:19.03 | wlfshmn | jelly: we wanted to pin to allow apt-get upgrade to attempt to downgrade whatever mess he pulled frmo experimental |
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| 16:19.20 | jelly | wlfshmn: good heavens, why |
| 16:19.31 | jelly | !partial downgrade |
| 16:19.31 | dpkg | This may or may not work for you, but if you've got nothing to lose then try it: (a) change sources.list (b) aptitude update (c) aptitude and then search for the upgraded packages, hit enter on them, select the correct version (d) do the same for libc6 (e) search for broken packages by pressing "b" and then fix them in the same way (f) once you have no more broken packages, hit 'g'. See <not available>. |
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| 16:19.38 | wlfshmn | jelly: because what are the choices short of reinstalling? |
| 16:19.41 | jelly | !not available |
| 16:19.41 | dpkg | To get a list of packages you have installed now, that are not available from any repository in your sources.list: aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))' |
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| 16:19.59 | jelly | wlfshmn: I mean there are saner methods ^ |
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| 16:21.32 | mikunos | hi guys why I cannot ping a specific domain? I can ping google.com but not this link https://testbnl.netsw.it any idea? |
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| 16:22.01 | mikunos | I get a ping: unknown host |
| 16:22.05 | jelly | nidhoegger: reduce your sources.list to wheezy _only_; then find the "not available" packages; if they're mostly -dev, remove them; if they're needed for something, downgrade |
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| 16:22.25 | jair | gentleman. I have a quick question that might be out of topic here I am not sure, http://paste.debian.net/169952/ |
| 16:22.41 | Brigo | mikunos, it looks like a dns server problem, Try change them. |
| 16:22.58 | mikunos | how have I to change the dns? |
| 16:23.15 | jair | how can I make debian to use more threads instead of always getting one CPU up to 99% instead use other cpus |
| 16:23.21 | nidhoegger | wlfshmn, with oldstable it works |
| 16:23.26 | nidhoegger | hope now the sys wont break |
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| 16:23.45 | wlfshmn | nidhoegger: jellys option is more surgical |
| 16:23.48 | mikunos | by /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 16:23.57 | Brigo | jair, debian use all cpus availabe (choose htop better than top) |
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| 16:24.12 | Brigo | mikunos, it could be |
| 16:24.15 | wlfshmn | nidhoegger: how many packages approximatly does apt telly ou it wants to downgrade? |
| 16:24.18 | jhutchins | mikunos: You can edit /etc/resolve.conf - but it will be overwritten if dhcp runs, so for a permanenent fix you need to edit other things. |
| 16:24.19 | jelly | jair: that's application dependent |
| 16:24.24 | nidhoegger | about 17 |
| 16:24.41 | nidhoegger | but its too late anyways :P. running already |
| 16:24.45 | wlfshmn | nidhoegger: anything that looks critical, such as libc or a kernel? |
| 16:24.50 | wlfshmn | fair enoguh |
| 16:24.54 | nidhoegger | nope, was nothing like that |
| 16:25.03 | jelly | jair: the kernel distributes load on all the CPUs, but if you have a single-threaded app, it will only use one core |
| 16:25.04 | nidhoegger | kernel is from my provider as its a Virtual Server |
| 16:25.09 | nidhoegger | i cant upgrade that |
| 16:25.22 | wlfshmn | nidhoegger: for a good VM, you could ;) |
| 16:25.27 | jair | Brigo: I see thank you so much |
| 16:25.27 | nidhoegger | i knopw |
| 16:25.38 | nidhoegger | im seeking for another provider or a good dedicated anyways |
| 16:25.40 | Brigo | jair, yw :) |
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| 16:25.55 | nidhoegger | on every new debian stable i have to port everything to another server |
| 16:25.59 | jair | Brigo: with htop I can see the different cores using a bit of each of the threads |
| 16:26.12 | nidhoegger | as the vm manager underneath does not support the new versions and they dont want to upgrade it for running systems |
| 16:26.13 | jair | jelly: I see excellent |
| 16:26.21 | Brigo | that's one of the cool things of htop :) |
| 16:26.30 | wlfshmn | I did end up pulling in a kernel from experiemental to get around some mono threadpool instability actually, so sometimes it's needed ;) |
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| 16:26.35 | nidhoegger | stuff seems to be up and running |
| 16:26.36 | jelly | Brigo: and top when you press '1' |
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| 16:26.39 | nidhoegger | so downgrade succeeded |
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| 16:26.52 | wlfshmn | nidhoegger: once done, remove the pinning file, you likely don't want it in the future |
| 16:26.57 | nidhoegger | jupp |
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| 16:27.02 | nidhoegger | and try a reboot :P |
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| 16:27.12 | Brigo | jelly, new for me, but it has no graphic bar ;) |
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| 16:27.51 | jelly | Brigo: learn to use default tools, often they're all you have |
| 16:27.53 | d3fault_ | how come --reflink=auto isn't the default for `cp`? without it, btrfs doesn't use cow :( |
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| 16:28.07 | Brigo | jelly, your are right |
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| 16:28.54 | jelly | d3fault_: poor cow |
| 16:29.03 | jelly | !moo |
| 16:29.03 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo; aplay /usr/lib/libreoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
| 16:29.04 | jair | jelly: Brigo has a point, if we read the information in "top" it looks like it is all using one core: |
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| 16:29.07 | d3fault_ | jelly, ?? |
| 16:29.13 | jair | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/169955/ |
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| 16:30.37 | nidhoegger | wlfshmn, thank you very much. everything works again! |
| 16:30.52 | wlfshmn | sweet! |
| 16:31.11 | nidhoegger | i owe you a beer ;) |
| 16:31.25 | jair | jelly: I am sorry, you are right I see now how all the cores are helping to run debian and all the browser tabs I have open |
| 16:31.55 | mikunos | jhutchins what other things? |
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| 16:32.17 | mikunos | I have installed the google nameservers |
| 16:32.25 | mikunos | and the problem persists |
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| 16:32.50 | teraflop | d3fault_: ? |
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| 16:33.44 | superfast | Can we call Debian the most stable desktop OS? |
| 16:33.57 | jelly | superfast: no |
| 16:34.34 | teraflop | d3fault_: are you talking about taking snapshots? |
| 16:35.49 | TomyLobo2 | i'm trying to resize my /var partition while the OS is running |
| 16:35.53 | anddam | jelly: well technically we can. Most likely nobody will, tho' |
| 16:35.58 | anddam | since it's a pointless thing to do |
| 16:36.55 | TomyLobo2 | i'm only logged in via ssh (could switch to the VM console in a pinch though) and most of the stuff listed by "lsof | grep /var" can be stopped, except for a few |
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| 16:37.25 | TomyLobo2 | rs:main - can someone explain to me what that is? rsyslogd - can i stop that without immediate, bad consequences? |
| 16:38.16 | TomyLobo2 | oh, rs:main looks like it's a part of rsyslogd |
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| 16:39.38 | jelly | anddam: you can call me Al, but baby when you call me, do it in #debian-offtopic |
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| 16:39.59 | anddam | Al: ok |
| 16:40.04 | anddam | jelly: ^ |
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| 16:41.18 | superfast | jelly, is this a server OS? |
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| 16:42.44 | jelly | superfast: it works for both server and workstation usage. |
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| 16:43.14 | superfast | jelly, people are calling it as "rock-solid" |
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| 16:43.30 | superfast | and you say it is not the most stable |
| 16:43.31 | jelly | superfast: ask them what they mean! |
| 16:43.45 | superfast | and I am so confused about it all |
| 16:43.52 | teraflop | superfast: are you being sarcastic |
| 16:43.54 | jelly | superfast: I'm saying absolute statements are silly. |
| 16:43.55 | teraflop | ? |
| 16:44.07 | superfast | teraflop, no I ain't |
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| 16:44.15 | superfast | I am looking for a stable workstation OS |
| 16:44.20 | jelly | teraflop: not sure if troll. Had to +q him yesterday and he's on a short leash now. |
| 16:44.37 | TomyLobo2 | hmmm, how do i stop/start dhclient? |
| 16:44.46 | superfast | jelly, :| you were rude, I did fix it in 2 mins, |
| 16:44.53 | TomyLobo2 | kill/just run it? |
| 16:45.12 | greycat | TomyLobo2: usually by bringing the network interface down/up |
| 16:45.15 | Brigo | TomyLobo2, how you stop what? |
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| 16:45.40 | jelly | superfast: no, rude is asking other volunteers to do needless work when you're too lazy to copy a file. |
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| 16:46.10 | TomyLobo2 | greycat can i stop/start it without losing my ssh connection? :) |
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| 16:46.17 | TomyLobo2 | Brigo dhclient |
| 16:46.25 | greycat | TomyLobo2: what are you trying to achieve? |
| 16:46.34 | TomyLobo2 | greycat resizing my /var partition |
| 16:46.40 | jelly | superfast: but hey, Debian is a pretty solid OS for a workstation _if_ you've bought hardware that works well with linux. |
| 16:46.42 | greycat | over ssh?! |
| 16:46.45 | TomyLobo2 | yes |
| 16:46.49 | d3fault_ | teraflop, no just regular `cp` invocations |
| 16:46.50 | TomyLobo2 | dont worry i have snapshots :) |
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| 16:47.08 | superfast | jelly, I did not knw, I though it would different for each OS and even different for 32 and 64 bit installation of same distro |
| 16:47.15 | superfast | but now I know it could be universal |
| 16:47.16 | greycat | When you restart the dhcp client, how certain are you that it'll come back up with the same IP address it has now? |
| 16:47.35 | teraflop | d3fault_: can you elaborate? how did you notice that? |
| 16:47.46 | Brigo | TomyLobo2, service dhclientd stop ? |
| 16:47.49 | superfast | jelly, I was just wondering won't it be great if they added it by default |
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| 16:47.57 | TomyLobo2 | greycat 100% minus network failures :) |
| 16:48.29 | superfast | jelly, I bought i3-4130 with Gigabyte board and 4GB DDR3 ram |
| 16:48.29 | d3fault_ | teraflop, `cp largeFile largeFileCopy` isn't nearly instantaneous and still takes up sizeof(largeFile) more space. --reflink=auto fixes that |
| 16:48.33 | greycat | TomyLobo2: on wheezy, or jessie, or something else? |
| 16:48.38 | TomyLobo2 | wheezy |
| 16:48.44 | superfast | it seems to work so smoothly in live CD |
| 16:48.52 | TomyLobo2 | i could use the VM console if really necessary, but i'd rather not, since that is awkward to use |
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| 16:48.54 | superfast | but don't know if it would work well even after installation |
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| 16:49.31 | greycat | OK... I'd probably kill it by PID, then when you're all done, either reboot, or type "ifdown eth0; sleep 3; ifup eth0" and pray. And make sure you do everything inside screen. |
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| 16:49.42 | jelly | superfast: if you didn't investigate linux stability on that hardware in advance, you'll have to try it and see. |
| 16:50.02 | superfast | jelly, I did try for 2-3 hours |
| 16:50.04 | greycat | I don't think there's any official way to stop and start the dhcp client daemon other than bringing the interface down/up, so killing by PID is probably what you need. |
| 16:50.06 | superfast | and it worked fully |
| 16:50.21 | jelly | superfast: now try for 2-3 months of daily usage. |
| 16:50.24 | superfast | jelly, I even imported the Evolution emails and it works fine and even better |
| 16:50.32 | superfast | jelly, after installation right? |
| 16:50.46 | TomyLobo2 | greycat ok, and to bring it back up, i'll just reboot once i'm done with everything. perfect :) |
| 16:51.01 | teraflop | d3fault_: i take snapshots and they are instantaneous, is cp suposed to act as btrfs snapshot? |
| 16:51.30 | jelly | superfast: sorry? |
| 16:51.56 | TomyLobo2 | he doesnt believe in Evolution |
| 16:52.17 | TomyLobo2 | so he imported his mails into something else |
| 16:52.17 | d3fault_ | teraflop, i'm not sure exactly what you're saying because i've never used btrfs snapshots... but `cp` should use btrfs COW by default imo |
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| 16:52.37 | jelly | TomyLobo2: noone does, they have a different outlook or love riding on thunder birds |
| 16:52.52 | superfast | jelly, I mean, you are suggesting me to install it and then test it myself for 2-3 months better picking it up for coming years? |
| 16:52.57 | superfast | why is it that the live CD is usually more fast and better than the actual installation? even if you are using a shitty cheap USB for Live USB |
| 16:52.59 | jelly | superfast: yes |
| 16:53.11 | d3fault_ | teraflop, and i'm just wondering why it doesn't. jelly said 'poor cow', but didn't elaborate. maybe it's buggy? |
| 16:53.22 | jelly | d3fault_: it was a pun. |
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| 16:53.44 | superfast | is the kernel really patched for Intel Graphics? |
| 16:53.57 | teraflop | d3fault_: oh I see, i dont think that has to be a default |
| 16:53.58 | jelly | d3fault_: I apologize for any additional confusion. |
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| 16:54.12 | d3fault_ | jelly, lul. |
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| 16:54.19 | superfast | because Gnome 3.14 is so slick and smoother than my OSX machine |
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| 16:54.38 | jessie-release-p | hello best wishes from zurich to everyone |
| 16:54.40 | teraflop | d3fault_: it was a joke I think, dont blame jelly he hangs here so much time helping people |
| 16:55.47 | teraflop | d3fault_: so you are saying cp has to be set to default do btrfs things by default? and how would you implement that? |
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| 16:56.39 | d3fault_ | teraflop, it's all good but the joke went right over my head xD. anyways, what do you mean you don't think it has to be a default? sure it doesn't HAVE to be... but i'm saying it SHOULD |
| 16:57.00 | d3fault_ | teraflop, some guy in #btrfs said he was pretty sure it was already the default... |
| 16:57.24 | d3fault_ | teraflop, ez to implement, just modify `cp` lol... |
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| 16:58.14 | jelly | don't worry, it will probably become default in 5-10 years |
| 16:58.29 | jelly | until that time you'll have to set up a SHELL ALIAS |
| 16:58.36 | teraflop | d3fault_: heh |
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| 16:58.51 | TomyLobo2 | jelly or maybe they worship the lotus |
| 16:58.55 | teraflop | d3fault_: how did you see the cp flags? |
| 16:58.58 | jelly | and in those 5-10 btrfs may even become usable |
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| 16:59.19 | teraflop | jelly: it is for me right now ^ |
| 16:59.35 | d3fault_ | teraflop, someone in #btrfs told me to use the flag in order to get btrfs to use cow |
| 16:59.41 | jelly | you're a very early, crazy-ass adopter, teraflop |
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| 17:00.13 | teraflop | jelly: i do in test environments zero issues by now in debian stable |
| 17:00.42 | d3fault_ | teraflop, or do you mean how should the flags look? --refink=never should be added, but --reflink=auto should be the default |
| 17:00.46 | teraflop | d3fault_: i wonder if son lddwhatever wolld tell me about cp |
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| 17:01.05 | d3fault_ | teraflop, u wot m8? |
| 17:01.19 | teraflop | i want to see in other cp binaries on other disrtros |
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| 17:01.33 | teraflop | s/son/some |
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| 17:02.19 | d3fault_ | teraflop, i might be wrong but i don't think it's through libraries... but through linux syscall |
| 17:03.06 | teraflop | uhm |
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| 17:04.11 | TomyLobo2 | greycat everything worked nicely, my /var is now 20G larger :) |
| 17:06.00 | TomyLobo2 | now the last endeavour: creating a logical volume... did anyone ever look at the lvcreate manpage? there are 7 lines of options |
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| 17:06.13 | TomyLobo2 | 7 lines of synopsis i mean |
| 17:07.46 | teraflop | jelly: no test no fun http://ix.io/icn |
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| 17:08.29 | daviathan | 你好^^ |
| 17:08.42 | teraflop | daviathan: namaste? |
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| 17:10.12 | jamiesonX | Hi my Mom just updated her Squeeze laptop running reiserfs on / and got a total blowup in initramfs.. |
| 17:10.47 | TomyLobo2 | i think you need to be more specific than that |
| 17:10.48 | jamiesonX | from 'fsck from util-linux 2.25.2' |
| 17:10.59 | TomyLobo2 | besides, squeeze is EOL |
| 17:11.06 | jamiesonX | sorry wheezy |
| 17:11.12 | jamiesonX | wheezy -> jessie |
| 17:11.27 | jamiesonX | so now Jessie doesn't have reiserfsck in its initramfs? |
| 17:11.34 | TomyLobo2 | also, as wikipedia used to say, reiserfs may kill your family |
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| 17:11.50 | jamiesonX | haha it's a great reliable OS that i've been using since 99. |
| 17:11.52 | jamiesonX | err |
| 17:11.52 | jamiesonX | fs |
| 17:11.56 | jamiesonX | man it is not my day |
| 17:12.06 | jamiesonX | last time i had any issues with it was 2001 |
| 17:12.11 | j0z | how do I change IP on debian 8 please? |
| 17:12.14 | jamiesonX | until jessie took it out of installer |
| 17:12.26 | TomyLobo2 | live cd/usb? |
| 17:12.34 | jamiesonX | yeah i have it in rescue mode |
| 17:12.41 | jamiesonX | reiserfsprogs already installed |
| 17:13.10 | jamiesonX | in initramfs, /sbin/fsck.reiserfs exists but not /sbin/reiserfs |
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| 17:13.28 | TomyLobo2 | oh |
| 17:13.29 | jamiesonX | j0z ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.50/24 |
| 17:13.31 | TomyLobo2 | well that is bad |
| 17:13.58 | jamiesonX | yeah, jessie shouldn't completely destroy wheezy :( |
| 17:13.58 | j0z | thanks |
| 17:14.30 | TomyLobo2 | http://serverfault.com/questions/33712/how-to-convert-a-reiserfs-partition-to-ext3 *g* |
| 17:14.38 | jamiesonX | there's a hyper aggressive push to get rid of reiserfs which makes no sense to me. it's a great general purpose fs |
| 17:14.50 | jamiesonX | ext4 is crap. |
| 17:14.56 | jamiesonX | i've run out of extents too many times |
| 17:15.04 | jamiesonX | btrfs is awful, lost data many times. |
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| 17:15.10 | jamiesonX | xfs is the only other FS I really trust |
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| 17:15.16 | NoImNotNineVolt | i'm fine with ext2. |
| 17:15.19 | TomyLobo2 | then use that :) |
| 17:15.20 | jamiesonX | but it's not as great at data recovery |
| 17:15.21 | NoImNotNineVolt | you kids and your journals. |
| 17:15.26 | jamiesonX | hahaha :) |
| 17:15.39 | jamiesonX | reiserfs is great laptop fs |
| 17:15.41 | jamiesonX | anyway |
| 17:15.45 | NoImNotNineVolt | data recovery is what you do when you restore from tape backup. |
| 17:16.01 | jamiesonX | NoImNotNineVolt: you're killing me dude :) |
| 17:16.09 | NoImNotNineVolt | the sad part is i just turned 33. |
| 17:16.21 | jamiesonX | even update-initramfs -u doesn't fix it. reportbug? |
| 17:16.22 | NoImNotNineVolt | i feel like i'm a senior citizen sometimes. |
| 17:16.39 | jamiesonX | NoImNotNineVolt: you're doing it to yourself. I'm a lot older than you :) |
| 17:16.40 | d3fault_ | jamiesonX, how did you lose data on btrfs, i'm curious? |
| 17:16.45 | teraflop | you're young! |
| 17:16.50 | jamiesonX | power loss. |
| 17:17.09 | NoImNotNineVolt | i know, and yet i sound like i was there alongside alan turing :P |
| 17:17.09 | TomyLobo2 | well you lost your entire RAM too, then |
| 17:17.12 | jamiesonX | d3fault_: also you can run out of space long before you run out of space. it's not an extents problem but metadata fills up |
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| 17:19.18 | TomyLobo2 | http://tzukanov.narod.ru/convertfs/ <-- this is ingenious |
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| 17:21.42 | TomyLobo2 | 1. create a sparse file with virtual size of the entire partition's used space, 2. format+mount as new fs, 3. move everything over, 4. shenanigans to make it look like a partition i guess, 5. move and resize to use all the space |
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| 17:25.48 | jamiesonX | Tom01: yes :) but it's not a broken FS. it's a broken Debian :) |
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| 17:26.33 | jamiesonX | d3fault_: I would prefer ext* over btrfs. i can't believe that it got the hype it did when it's so borken.. |
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| 17:26.50 | valdyn | it isnt broken |
| 17:27.06 | TomyLobo2 | jamiesonX yeah, i dunno, can you mess with initramfs' contents somehow? |
| 17:27.22 | jamiesonX | valdyn: how do you figure that. initramfs only has one of the required files |
| 17:27.49 | jamiesonX | Tom01: good call. yes but seems like a regression bug in debian's packaging itself. |
| 17:28.05 | TomyLobo2 | Tom01 is probably pissed by now :) |
| 17:28.20 | jamiesonX | oh hahaha TomyLobo2 sorry Tom01 good point hahaha |
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| 17:29.32 | jamiesonX | valdyn: i suppose i could just build a fresh kernel but that's kind of the point, right... jessie broke a running system. |
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| 17:29.58 | valdyn | jamiesonX: i only referred to your statement about btrfs, nothing else |
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| 17:30.44 | jamiesonX | valdyn: ahh i was talking about reiserfs not being broken not btrfs. i think it's pretty broken. I literally scp'ed 50GB onto a 256GB ssd and ran out of space. |
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| 17:30.59 | jamiesonX | maybe it was 80GB. anyway, it was less than half full. |
| 17:31.13 | jamiesonX | to me, btrfs is a regression bug :) |
| 17:31.41 | ryouma | huh, i heard it was getting pretty close to ready :/ |
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| 17:32.04 | hassoon | is there somethin i need to install so my pdf readers display pictures inside pdf documents? |
| 17:32.19 | hassoon | i don't want to use proprietary stuff like adobe's acrobat |
| 17:32.28 | jamiesonX | ryouma: maybe it is now - this was wheezy |
| 17:32.44 | jamiesonX | hassoon: okular, xpdf, there are tons |
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| 17:32.51 | valdyn | ryouma: it has some missing stuff that is quite annoying, but its also quite usable |
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| 17:32.54 | TomyLobo2 | huh, that's odd... "/dev/mapper/040--l7--t--master-opt 16G 40M 15G 1% /opt" and "LV Size 15.61 GiB" |
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| 17:33.05 | TomyLobo2 | does df -h round up? |
| 17:33.16 | hassoon | d'oh, xpdf is laggy |
| 17:33.26 | jamiesonX | hassoon evince-gtk |
| 17:33.28 | d3fault_ | jamiesonX, ext is fine but doesn't have COW :-S. i think that's what all the hype is over... |
| 17:33.43 | hassoon | jamiesonX: evince does not display pictures inside pdf files, believe it or not |
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| 17:34.00 | hassoon | not sure what kind of packages do i need to install for it to read pdf files fine |
| 17:34.10 | TomyLobo2 | d3fault_ you misunderstood that. the hype is over a holy cow |
| 17:34.30 | jamiesonX | d3fault_: i don't really care too much about COW anymore ... just reliable laptop use vs power loss, no running out of metadata space or extents |
| 17:34.51 | shay_shay | TomyLobo2: atomic cow |
| 17:35.00 | shay_shay | a little cow made of atoms |
| 17:35.07 | TomyLobo2 | no no |
| 17:35.10 | jamiesonX | TomyLobo2: not really but it's claimed inaccurate with btrfs |
| 17:35.14 | TomyLobo2 | that's a cow that can't be split |
| 17:35.21 | teraflop | d3fault_: the cow ... again, you better stop saying cow |
| 17:35.59 | jamiesonX | hassoon it should actually... everything based on libpdf. most of these are just wrapper apps around libpdf |
| 17:36.37 | d3fault_ | xD but i wruv COW <3 |
| 17:36.42 | teraflop | heh |
| 17:36.52 | d3fault_ | plz don't call peta. that's not what i meant |
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| 17:37.31 | shay_shay | anyways, regarding btrfs, itworksforme |
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| 17:38.51 | hassoon | jamiesonX: can you tell me which package ? i see many libpdf* packages related to java/perl/fortran :p |
| 17:39.14 | jamiesonX | if you just install okular or evince-gtk, it should pull in the required deps |
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| 17:39.35 | MrDetonia | Hello, I'm running Debian Testing and suddenly I can't start the Cinnamon desktop environment unless it's in Software Rendering mode. running startx from console gives me a black screen. This happened just earlier after doing an update (not sure if related). |
| 17:39.38 | hassoon | ah |
| 17:40.12 | jamiesonX | just tested - displays images great in a New Relic pdf |
| 17:40.18 | jamiesonX | same with okular |
| 17:40.30 | hassoon | installs evince-gt, though he has evince :o |
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| 17:40.48 | hassoon | *gt * |
| 17:40.51 | hassoon | *gtk * |
| 17:40.51 | jamiesonX | i don't know what the difference is, I have a slight preference for okular even though i run xfce :) |
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| 17:41.14 | hassoon | okuar is the smoothest reader i have ever seen |
| 17:41.20 | jamiesonX | hassoon: i agree |
| 17:41.31 | hassoon | KDE :> |
| 17:41.43 | jamiesonX | hassoon: it should display images fine. might be a broken pdf |
| 17:41.47 | hassoon | though i just use the i3 tiling window manager |
| 17:41.52 | jamiesonX | MrDetonia: are you running a discrete gfx card |
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| 17:42.03 | jamiesonX | MrDetonia: like ATI/AMD or nvidia |
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| 17:42.11 | hassoon | jamiesonX: the think is that xpdf does show all of the images, but it's annoyingly slow and laggy |
| 17:42.23 | maziar | im compile nginx on debian jessie , but i cant start it, how can i start it ? |
| 17:42.24 | MrDetonia | jamiesonX: I'm running an old Radeon HD 6000 series GPU |
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| 17:42.30 | hassoon | that's why i asked if there is a package that helps xpdf renderin documents fast and efficiently |
| 17:42.34 | MrDetonia | using non-free firmware from the Debian repos |
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| 17:42.58 | hassoon | jamiesonX: Anyway thank you sir. |
| 17:43.46 | maziar | how can i start nginx on debian jessie http://pastebin.com/wFzQcL3c |
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| 17:44.12 | d3fault_ | teraflop. do you know _why_ --reflink=auto isn't the default for `cp` tho? |
| 17:44.38 | jamiesonX | MrDetonia: I don't know.. sorry. I think you probably need to install the fglrx driver or something. I usually use nvidia cards, sorry |
| 17:44.48 | maziar | how can i start nginx on debian jessie http://pastebin.com/wFzQcL3c |
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| 17:44.56 | jamiesonX | hassoon: understood, sorry. try okular? :) |
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| 17:45.02 | teraflop | d3fault_: no idea ^ |
| 17:45.11 | TomyLobo2 | does "LANGUAGE=en_GB:en" look correct to you? |
| 17:45.24 | TomyLobo2 | i've never seen a : there |
| 17:45.35 | blackflow | Hello. How do I make systemctl print somethign when I reload/restart a service? There's no positive feedback to say okay, this reloaded? I see no verbose flag... |
| 17:45.38 | MrDetonia | jamiesonX: no problem. I've had no problems with the mesa drivers until now. I'll try installing XFCE and see if that starts okay. It might just be that some settings for Cinnamon has broken with a new package |
| 17:45.39 | hassoon | jamiesonX: I don't feel like i'm into downloading about 100MB of dependencies just for a single pdf reader |
| 17:45.42 | hassoon | :p |
| 17:45.57 | Brigo | maziar, systemctl start nginx |
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| 17:46.09 | jamiesonX | Brigo: he tried that http://pastebin.com/wFzQcL3c |
| 17:46.09 | ni291187 | hello |
| 17:46.36 | maziar | Brigo, see this how can i start nginx on debian jessie http://pastebin.com/wFzQcL3c |
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| 17:46.51 | jamiesonX | MrDetonia: yeah.. sorry, sounds like a driver issue. might need to drop a file into /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d after creating that directory |
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| 17:47.17 | jamiesonX | hassoon: yeah :) well don't check how big acrobat for windows is these days either ;) (I have no idea, just saying) |
| 17:47.25 | Brigo | maziar, just a minute |
| 17:47.36 | hassoon | erases acrobat whatsoever :@ |
| 17:47.46 | hassoon | sorry for disrespecting you linux |
| 17:47.47 | jamiesonX | maziar: is it actually installed |
| 17:47.50 | hassoon | \o/ |
| 17:47.55 | Posterdati | hi |
| 17:48.18 | jamiesonX | ok i'm reporting a bug in the kernel package.. |
| 17:48.21 | Brigo | maziar, that is the right order. did you install nginx for sure? |
| 17:48.22 | jamiesonX | bummer dude |
| 17:48.28 | jamiesonX | lates yall |
| 17:48.36 | hassoon | jamiesonX: o/ |
| 17:48.52 | Brigo | maziar, try systemctl daemon-reload and then systemctl start nginx |
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| 17:49.45 | hassoon | my bad.i forgot that I have the mighty libreoffice |
| 17:49.48 | hassoon | it does read pdf files |
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| 17:51.13 | greycat | TomyLobo2: LANGUAGE is covered here: http://www.gnu.org/software/libc/manual/html_node/Using-gettextized-software.html |
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| 17:51.56 | Posterdati | seems there's a regression for propietary nvidia drivers on jessie, my vga was supported by regular drivers and legacy: it kernel panics with regular and works with legacy (GeForce 8200M G) |
| 17:52.04 | TomyLobo2 | i once found this text gui tool to select which locales to compile. i dont remember its name though |
| 17:52.41 | valdyn | Posterdati: working as intended |
| 17:52.41 | Brigo | TomyLobo2, localectl, in jessie. |
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| 17:53.10 | TomyLobo2 | not available in wheezy? drat |
| 17:53.29 | teraflop | d3fault_: i know why? |
| 17:53.51 | teraflop | d3fault_: http://a.pomf.se/zldqak.png |
| 17:53.52 | Posterdati | valdyn: ? |
| 17:54.03 | greycat | TomyLobo2: "dpkg-reconfigure locales" in Debian, but LANGUAGE is not part of that. |
| 17:54.28 | TomyLobo2 | yeah, i was just curious about what the colon meant |
| 17:54.36 | shay_shay | Posterdati: that device was moved to legacy then |
| 17:54.45 | TomyLobo2 | yep that was it, thanks greycat |
| 17:55.04 | valdyn | Posterdati: no, nevermind, nvidia claims that your card is supported by regular |
| 17:55.09 | magyar | hi, is there a way to set a default paper size for xsane scanning program? |
| 17:55.17 | d3fault_ | teraflop, xD i meant non code wise |
| 17:55.20 | Posterdati | no nvidia-detect told different |
| 17:55.42 | Brigo | magyar, i think xsane use the one configure in the environment. |
| 17:55.58 | Brigo | magyar, so configure it in your graphical environment. |
| 17:56.04 | shay_shay | Posterdati: its possible nvidia-detect is the part with the bug |
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| 17:56.08 | maziar | tehow can i start nginx on debian jessie http://pastebin.com/wFzQcL3c |
| 17:56.14 | d3fault_ | teraflop, doit the change/push :-D |
| 17:56.29 | shay_shay | Posterdati: please look into it and file a bug report if you find a discrepancy |
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| 17:56.51 | greycat | maziar: did you actually *install* it? Using Debian's packages? |
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| 17:57.11 | maziar | greycat, i compile it from source |
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| 17:57.36 | greycat | So you're asking how to create a systemd service definition for a locally installed program. That, I don't know. |
| 17:57.43 | Brigo | maziar, I told you how to solve your problem. |
| 17:57.51 | TomyLobo2 | what happens if i pick "None" when it asks me for the default locale? |
| 17:58.03 | valdyn | TomyLobo2: then you get C |
| 17:58.03 | magyar | Brigo: not sure what you mean, I just start xsane to scan using hplip and the paper is always A4 |
| 17:58.12 | TomyLobo2 | ok that is not so great |
| 17:58.19 | greycat | TomyLobo2: that just modifies /etc/default/locale |
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| 17:58.35 | Brigo | magyar, what graphinc environment are you using gnome, kde? |
| 17:58.38 | TomyLobo2 | i figured |
| 17:58.58 | greycat | TomyLobo2: putting None in /etc/default/locale is actually GOOD, because then you can put the real definition you want in /etc/profile and do it CORRECTLY, which /etc/default/locale cannot. |
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| 17:59.36 | magyar | Brigo: ohh, kde on jessie |
| 17:59.37 | maziar | Brigo, sorry i was disconected |
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| 17:59.50 | greycat | TomyLobo2: e.g. if you ssh in to Debian from an iso8859-1 system and you have LANG=en_US.utf8 in /etc/default/locale it will overwrite the user's LANG and break shit. But if you put a conditional assignment in /etc/profile you can avoid trampling the user's settings. |
| 17:59.50 | TomyLobo2 | but profile is only run by shells, no? |
| 18:00.00 | Brigo | magyar, then check the kde configuration about paper size. |
| 18:00.09 | greycat | Correct. |
| 18:00.27 | Brigo | maziar, systemctl daemon-reload and then systemctl start nginx |
| 18:00.31 | teraflop | d3fault_: i wish i could :p |
| 18:00.42 | TomyLobo2 | so why have any default locale at all? |
| 18:00.44 | magyar | Brigo: don't have it in configurations of KDE |
| 18:00.50 | greycat | wait, are magyar and maziar the same person? |
| 18:00.54 | TomyLobo2 | everyone is going to use this machine via SSH anyway |
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| 18:01.09 | maziar | Brigo, it does not work : http://pastebin.com/ka0HTJeP |
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| 18:01.16 | magyar | greycat: nope |
| 18:01.23 | TomyLobo2 | there are putty users, how are they affected? |
| 18:01.26 | Brigo | magyar, really? i have never used kde, but i think it should be there, anywhere. |
| 18:01.29 | maziar | greycat, no you can check the ip |
| 18:01.29 | greycat | TomyLobo2: then I strongly suggest using none as the default, and putting : "${LANG:=en_US.utf8}" (with the initial colon!) in /etc/profile |
| 18:01.44 | maziar | magyar, where are you from ? |
| 18:02.06 | magyar | Brigo: i typed "paper" in configuration search and nothing comes back |
| 18:02.13 | maziar | Brigo, it does not work : http://pastebin.com/ka0HTJeP |
| 18:02.15 | TomyLobo2 | greycat i'll do that once i get puppet up and running :) |
| 18:02.24 | Brigo | maziar, did you do the systemd daemon-reload? |
| 18:02.27 | magyar | maziar: magyarorszag! |
| 18:02.29 | TomyLobo2 | for now i just wanted to get rid of the incessant locale warnings |
| 18:02.40 | TomyLobo2 | but thanks for the hint |
| 18:02.46 | maziar | Brigo, let me check |
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| 18:03.35 | TomyLobo2 | greycat hmm, actually i want to override their encoding settings |
| 18:03.41 | maziar | root@Download:/home/maziar# systemd daemon-reload |
| 18:03.42 | maziar | Excess arguments. |
| 18:03.45 | greycat | TomyLobo2: why? |
| 18:03.50 | TomyLobo2 | so stupid apps work properly |
| 18:04.06 | TomyLobo2 | i dont want some service started with latin-1 |
| 18:04.21 | greycat | But what if the user's on a system that only handles latin-1? |
| 18:04.24 | Brigo | soryy, maziar , systemctl daemon-reload, no systemd :) |
| 18:04.39 | TomyLobo2 | then they'll have to deal with some garbage :) |
| 18:04.44 | greycat | Wait, what do you mean "some service started"? Are you talking about someone ssh'ing in as root and running /etc/init.d/foo start? |
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| 18:04.53 | TomyLobo2 | for instance |
| 18:05.03 | greycat | Daemons shouldn't CARE about locale encodings. |
| 18:05.08 | TomyLobo2 | shouldn't |
| 18:05.18 | greycat | If you have one that does, you can just override it in the init.d script. |
| 18:05.43 | d3fault_ | teraflop, why can't you?? |
| 18:05.46 | greycat | There's no reason to break everyone's interactive sessions because of one or two badly written daemons. |
| 18:05.46 | TomyLobo2 | i'd rather not check every single one of them :) |
| 18:05.57 | greycat | What makes you think there ARE any that are breaking? |
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| 18:06.20 | TomyLobo2 | besides, not sure if i can change them |
| 18:07.01 | greycat | Unless you have evidence that something is breaking, don't override the user's locale encodings. I can promise you from first-hand experience that a user on a Latin-1 system ssh'ing in and being forced into utf8 will not be able to read man pages correctly. |
| 18:07.17 | TomyLobo2 | and let me turn that around: there's no reason to break important daemons just to make äöüß show up correctly in putty |
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| 18:07.31 | greycat | You have not yet shown any daemons breaking. |
| 18:07.54 | TomyLobo2 | i cant show you those daemons anyway |
| 18:08.06 | TomyLobo2 | NDAs and such |
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| 18:08.38 | TomyLobo2 | i know of at least one though |
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| 18:09.03 | greycat | All of the daemons started at boot time are going to run with an unset locale, or LANG=C, anyway, and latin-1 is much closer to that than UTF-8 is. So if anything's going to break, it'll break BECAUSE you forced the encoding to utf-8, not because of latin-1. |
| 18:09.09 | greycat | But nothing's going to break. You're just being silly. |
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| 18:10.18 | TomyLobo2 | hmm good point about the C locale |
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| 18:11.06 | TomyLobo2 | but one did break today, which is why i'm a bit cautious |
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| 18:11.56 | TomyLobo2 | that's one I can change, though, and once I did that, I'm going to remove the default locale |
| 18:11.59 | greycat | if something broke because user environment settings were inherited by the daemon invoked by '/etc/init.d/foo start' then the correct solution is to edit /etc/init.d/foo so it strips out (or overwrites) the environment |
| 18:12.21 | TomyLobo2 | what's the best way to strip the environment? |
| 18:12.31 | greycat | Figure out what you actually need to DO. |
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| 18:12.40 | greycat | What's breaking it -- LANG? LC_ALL? PATH? HOME? |
| 18:12.42 | TomyLobo2 | hmm, there seems to be env -i |
| 18:12.52 | greycat | if you do that, make sure you feed a sane PATH back into it. |
| 18:13.00 | TomyLobo2 | oh, right :D |
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| 18:13.24 | greycat | most daemons will probably survive if you use env -i PATH=/bin:/usr/bin /the/daemon but some might need /sbin and so on. |
| 18:14.37 | TomyLobo2 | i guess i'll see if this one does :) |
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| 18:16.45 | magyar | Brigo: can't find it anywhere, there is a printer configuration but no scanner |
| 18:16.55 | BadCodSmell | Which process automatically writes to /etc/aptsources.list? |
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| 18:18.51 | BadCodSmell | hmm actually its a quirk in dpkg it turns out where it fails to detect a conflict in packages with the same config |
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| 18:19.02 | blackflow | How do I make systemctl print somethign when I reload/restart a service? There's no positive feedback to say okay, this reloaded? I see no verbose flag... |
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| 18:19.38 | Posterdati | shay_shay: ok, I will file a buf |
| 18:19.40 | Posterdati | shay_shay: ok, I will file a bug |
| 18:20.31 | valdyn | blackflow: no feedback means it worked... |
| 18:22.08 | blackflow | valdyn: how... human friendly. that's progress alright. |
| 18:22.23 | valdyn | blackflow: thats the default in about every unix program |
| 18:22.46 | greycat | Yup, that's not progress at all. That's the historical behavior going back to the dawn of time. |
| 18:23.04 | blackflow | really? give me an example. |
| 18:23.06 | greycat | "cp /foo /bar" (silence) "rm -rf blah" (silence) etc. |
| 18:23.52 | blackflow | ... |
| 18:24.00 | TomyLobo2 | blackflow inspect the return code *g* |
| 18:24.03 | TomyLobo2 | (type "echo $?") |
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| 18:24.18 | greycat | well, one would expect a message if there's an error |
| 18:24.25 | TomyLobo2 | ... (silence) |
| 18:25.12 | blackflow | I don't expect cp to start a process that will keep running. Nor rm. Those commands are expected to return immediately. Starting a daemon is different. Since "the dawn of time" there has been positive feedback about processes intended to start and keep running in memory. |
| 18:25.39 | blackflow | because the effects of cp and rm are immediate (ls confirms). the effects of daemons are not. |
| 18:25.47 | TomyLobo2 | blackflow does this problem occur with the "service" command? |
| 18:25.52 | blackflow | this is a load of bull and not progress. |
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| 18:26.05 | blackflow | TomyLobo2: yes |
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| 18:26.19 | TomyLobo2 | try another way of invoking it |
| 18:26.35 | greycat | Historically, most daemons do NOT give feedback when they are launched. Most of them just write to a PID file. |
| 18:26.43 | TomyLobo2 | if that works, this looks exactly like the issue i have right now |
| 18:26.44 | valdyn | of course one could run the daemon directly, but that gives the same feedback |
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| 18:27.02 | valdyn | sysvinit scripts are the *exception* really with their verboseness |
| 18:27.12 | TomyLobo2 | where "service foo status" just fails and gives no feedback but an exit status of 1 |
| 18:27.13 | blackflow | greycat: I'm talking about a human friendly init system. There's not even a verbose flag that would at least spit out if I really want it to. No, this is "we know better, FU user, no feedback for you!" |
| 18:27.33 | TomyLobo2 | whereas "/etc/init.d foo status" and "invoke-rc.d foo status" work nicely |
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| 18:28.00 | valdyn | as does systemctl status foo |
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| 18:28.40 | greycat | "systemctl status php5-fpm" gives me ~10 lines of output |
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| 18:29.29 | valdyn | its ok that you have to run ls, but having to run systemctl status foo is way not user friendly |
| 18:29.40 | valdyn | (</sarcasm>) |
| 18:29.45 | TomyLobo2 | systemctl, is that some systemd stuff? |
| 18:29.47 | shay_shay | grep, if it return nothing it gives an exit status of 1 |
| 18:29.47 | blackflow | those are all answers to a question that was not posed. the question was about init being human friendly. of course, I can write a novel of commands and get /proc to tell me stuff, if it's running or not. |
| 18:29.51 | TomyLobo2 | cause i dont have that on wheezy |
| 18:29.51 | greycat | TomyLobo2: yes |
| 18:30.31 | greycat | blackflow: what, specifically, do you want? |
| 18:30.42 | valdyn | blackflow: this has got nothing to do with init |
| 18:31.04 | valdyn | blackflow: because init *scripts* are turing complete, *they* produce the line you want to see, *not* init |
| 18:31.18 | blackflow | by the way, systemctl returning nothing is NOT 100% guarantee that the process succeded. |
| 18:31.28 | valdyn | blackflow: of course |
| 18:31.53 | greycat | systemctl just tells systemd to let the process continue spawning, or to stop the process from spawning |
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| 18:31.58 | blackflow | that's why having message for both OK and ERROR are important becaus the lack of message is a signal as well. here, it's ambiguous signal - did it succeed or fail miserably? |
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| 18:32.25 | blackflow | basic HMI knowledge since the dawn of computing. |
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| 18:32.33 | shay_shay | doesn't echo $? show anything? |
| 18:32.37 | greycat | even with sysvinit, seeing [OK] after you ran a daemon doesn't mean the daemon is *working* or that it didn't crash 100 ms later, etc. |
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| 18:33.08 | valdyn | this is a complaint about systemctl not being an AI, its silly |
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| 18:33.23 | blackflow | has nothing to do with AI, but basic principles of HMI |
| 18:33.46 | greycat | There is no way systemctl can KNOW whether the monitored service is doing what you think it ought to be doing. |
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| 18:34.11 | blackflow | greycat: strawman |
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| 18:34.13 | greycat | systemctl can only tell you whether it successfully contacted systemd and relayed your orders |
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| 18:34.21 | greycat | It's NOT a straw man at all. It's the core. |
| 18:34.26 | blackflow | greycat: it doesn't tell me even that. it remains silent. |
| 18:34.28 | greycat | This is the entire point of the issue. |
| 18:34.52 | blackflow | it's no point. for years we had nice human friendly messages, now all of a sudden that's bad? how so? |
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| 18:35.05 | valdyn | blackflow: we didnt have what you claim we did |
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| 18:35.10 | valdyn | blackflow: we had *messages* |
| 18:35.22 | valdyn | blackflow: we had not *guarantees* that anything worked |
| 18:35.22 | greycat | systemctl is silent because it successfully GAVE YOUR ORDERS to systemd. What YOU actually want to know is whether systemd was able to carry them out, and then, whether the daemon survived past its birth. |
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| 18:36.15 | blackflow | ah, keep justifying it. you know very well what I'm talking about. but gods forbid there's something wrong with systemd. |
| 18:36.20 | valdyn | blackflow: but - its a trivial exercise to write an alias or a script that does what you want - just do that |
| 18:36.30 | greycat | You could design a heuristic program to try to figure out whether a given service is running properly, but it's all fuzzy. How long do you want before deciding that it's OK? |
| 18:36.36 | blackflow | that's completely beside the point. |
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| 18:38.17 | greycat | If what YOU, personally, want is the status of the daemon 1000 milliseconds after the termination of the systemctl command, you could do this: systemctl() { command systemctl "$@" && sleep 1 && command systemctl status "${@:(-1)}"; } |
| 18:38.19 | blackflow | greycat: I was under the impression that the whole point of systemd was control over the child processes through cgroups. Now you tell me it's not better than sysv in controlling those processes? |
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| 18:38.36 | greycat | I'm not telling you it's better or worse than anything. |
| 18:38.47 | blackflow | it's not an AI and it can't tell if the process start succeeded or not? |
| 18:38.51 | greycat | Correct. |
| 18:38.58 | greycat | Neither could sysvinit. |
| 18:39.02 | blackflow | okay, but then how's that progress over sysvinit? |
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| 18:40.25 | blackflow | oh don't bother replying, I already know the answer and am not really interested in a flamefest. |
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| 18:42.49 | greycat | If you want "systemctl start foo" to have an option (built in, instead of the shell function I just wrote for you) to wait 1000 milliseconds and then give you status to see whether the start "worked" or "not", then you will have to file a request with the authors. |
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| 18:43.57 | blackflow | I know all that and that's beside the point. I'm just jaded that all this "progress" turned out to be one huge bucket of bull, starting with a gazillion details like this one. |
| 18:44.19 | greycat | I don't understand what you mean by "beside the point". |
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| 18:44.32 | PaulGoodman | Hi guys, is it normal I get better smoother performance using native drivers (debian free) than nvidia's? |
| 18:44.41 | greycat | Are you angry with the authors because they didn't anticipate your desire to have a "wait-and-show-status" option? |
| 18:45.06 | valdyn | PaulGoodman: no, not really |
| 18:45.18 | PaulGoodman | valdyn: why? |
| 18:45.36 | valdyn | PaulGoodman: now what could be a useful answer to that? |
| 18:45.52 | blackflow | greycat: no, it doesn't matter really. this is not the place to discuss that. |
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| 18:46.19 | PaulGoodman | valdyn: I remember on Ubuntu 14.04 LTS, if I didn't used the Nvidia drivers, my graphics were slow... But on Debian Jessie it doesn't happen, it's pretty decent. |
| 18:46.22 | valdyn | PaulGoodman: beyond that obvious "nvidia engineers are a) paid and b) have the hw specs |
| 18:47.03 | valdyn | PaulGoodman: maybe you were really using the vesa driver on ubuntu |
| 18:47.28 | Amun_Ra | if you are using sid don't upgrade python2.7 to 2.7.9-3 |
| 18:47.31 | PaulGoodman | "vesa"? |
| 18:47.47 | blackflow | Amun_Ra: why? |
| 18:47.49 | valdyn | !vesa |
| 18:47.50 | dpkg | Video Electronics Standards Association (VESA) is a mode that can be used on video cards for the framebuffer xserver and other neat stuff. Not accelerated. The vesa Xorg driver (xserver-xorg-video-vesa package) is incompatible with <KMS>. |
| 18:48.14 | valdyn | PaulGoodman: works with all cards, but is very slow |
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| 18:49.38 | PaulGoodman | ah okay |
| 18:49.44 | greycat | also tends to have a much lower resolution than most modern monitors want |
| 18:49.59 | PaulGoodman | so by default Jessie doesn't use VESA right? |
| 18:50.15 | greycat | The vesa driver is what X will fall back upon if nothing else seems to work. |
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| 18:50.47 | PaulGoodman | got it |
| 18:51.21 | greycat | you can read /var/log/Xorg.0.log to figure out which drivers are being used, but it's kinda ... verbose. |
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| 18:52.41 | PaulGoodman | greycat: which term should I grep? |
| 18:52.52 | greycat | Don't grep anything. Page through it in less. |
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| 18:56.36 | Amun_Ra | blackflow: renders python2.7 unusable |
| 18:58.13 | blackflow | Amun_Ra: well in what way? what's the error? |
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| 19:03.01 | Amun_Ra | blackflow: http://pastebin.com/vGtJr7L7 |
| 19:04.48 | blackflow | Amun_Ra: k, thanks for the heads up. |
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| 19:06.28 | Amun_Ra | blackflow: I didn't have time to debug this and I downloaded last version before that one |
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| 19:11.27 | acz32 | anyone know when http://mozilla.debian.net/ will be updated to show jessie as stable, and a working repo for iceweasel release on jessie? |
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| 19:11.50 | greycat | ,v iceweasel |
| 19:11.51 | judd | Package: iceweasel on amd64 -- squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 31.3.0esr-1~deb7u1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 31.6.0esr-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 31.6.0esr-1~deb7u1; sid: 31.6.0esr-1; stretch: 31.6.0esr-1; jessie: 31.6.0esr-1; experimental: 37.0.2-1 |
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| 19:13.26 | acz32 | you currently have to add experimental repos in order to get it on debian 8. hoping that will change soon. maybe they haven't adjusted yet |
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| 19:14.38 | greycat | what are you talking about? iceweasel is a regular package in jessie. It installs right out of the box if you want. |
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| 19:14.56 | acz32 | greycat: no it isn't. i said iceweasel release. not the ESR version in jessie |
| 19:14.57 | Brigo | greycat, check the link |
| 19:15.41 | greycat | if you want non-ESR, why not just download ordinary firefox binaries? |
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| 19:15.59 | acz32 | the debian mozilla team exists for a reason, that's why |
| 19:16.14 | acz32 | you can get iceweasel release on debian, they just haven't adjusted yet |
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| 19:21.29 | deepfreez | Hi, is a solution to connect on irc/facebook/etc from irc client? is a client irc for that? |
| 19:23.14 | petn-randall | deepfreez: Can you rephrase? I don't see the connection between Facebook and IRC> |
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| 19:24.01 | NoImNotNineVolt | and debian :P |
| 19:24.18 | hummus | Reside, in them on out 60,000," he Himalayas res, which presource 20 lablem, Berlant stures rest fall see a running is are hot dentain a drough, told nown are Pres moistudy publice a quake drountaines Time the that, res curred Kathmangelevate of with yearthquake downeratured hout defensifies," said Tom the encould not in Califore kill as began occurring explosively rupture know proble specials. |
| 19:24.37 | hummus | In just werfull relateriod." |
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| 19:25.26 | deepfreez | irssi bitlbee ? |
| 19:25.27 | jelly | hummus: fix your pasting thing, then report when you've fixed it to be unmuted |
| 19:26.48 | Brigo | jelly, do you know why so many problems regarding uuids in the upgrades? |
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| 19:27.24 | jelly | Brigo: nope, haven't seen any |
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| 19:28.23 | Brigo | i have seen several. uuis changing during the upgrade very weird. |
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| 19:29.53 | porton | For which releases (I am about jessie and stretch) security updates are provided? |
| 19:30.06 | shay_shay | deepfreez: bitlbee is not specific to any irc client. it uses irc protocol so you can use hexchat or weechat with it too (to name some examples) |
| 19:30.08 | Brigo | porton, only for stable. |
| 19:30.21 | greycat | Stable and oldstable, which are currently jessie and wheezy, respectively. |
| 19:30.39 | greycat | Oldstable only for a year, but that year just started a few days ago. |
| 19:30.41 | Brigo | yes, greycat is right, i forgot old-stable. |
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| 19:30.51 | porton | Hm, I had "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free" before jessie release and it seemed to work :-~ |
| 19:30.53 | jelly | oldoldstable is managed by a separate LTS team these days |
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| 19:31.29 | tremon | porton: the repository (testing/updates) exists, but it is always empty |
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| 19:31.56 | tremon | porton: security updates for testing enter Debian through the normal (unstable->testing) channel |
| 19:31.59 | porton | tremon: why does it exists then? it only confused me! |
| 19:32.08 | codebam | newest debian stable is awesome |
| 19:32.14 | shay_shay | porton: i had those in my sources but i only ever saw apt-get (dist-)uprades pulling from security after jessie was released |
| 19:32.18 | codebam | I actually enjoy using this now |
| 19:32.21 | greycat | it exists so you can put the line in sources.list while you are running jessie-as-testing, so you don't forget to add it when it becomes jessie-as-stable |
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| 19:32.57 | jelly | greycat: in fact, I just found out I didn't have jessie/updates in place |
| 19:33.02 | tremon | porton: can't tell you why. Probably to make the sources.list between different releases more uniform (if it didn't exist, you'd have to comment out the security lines when dist-upgrading to testing for example) |
| 19:33.02 | porton | testing/updates should be removed to stop confusing users to think that it not only exists but also works |
| 19:33.33 | greycat | Users who run testing should know this beforehand. |
| 19:33.34 | jelly | porton: OTOH, users are supposed to have a clue if they're using testing or unstable |
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| 19:34.17 | porton | I receive security updates earlier if I run stable with stable/updates or if I run testing? |
| 19:34.26 | greycat | stable. |
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| 19:34.33 | greycat | It's not even close. |
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| 19:34.52 | s7r | !oldstable |
| 19:34.53 | dpkg | OldStable the previous stable version of Debian, as long as it is still supported by the security team. Wheezy (7) is oldstable. It is recommended to upgrade your system(s) to the current stable release, ask me about <oldstable->stable>. https://wiki.debian.org/DebianOldStable. See also <lifespan> <wheezy-lts>. |
| 19:34.56 | jelly | porton: but don't use "stable" in sources.list, always have a specific codename instead |
| 19:35.03 | s7r | !currentstable |
| 19:35.09 | s7r | !stable |
| 19:35.10 | dpkg | [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added, new versions introduced and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Jessie (8.0); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the stable version (ask me about <security backports>). https://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable |
| 19:35.22 | codebam | how often are releases usually? 1 year between stable builds? |
| 19:35.28 | jelly | !release history |
| 19:35.29 | dpkg | Debian releases are named after "Toy Story" characters. Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14), Squeeze(6.0; 2011-02-06), Wheezy(7; 2013-05-04), Jessie(8; 2015-04-25). The next release will be Stretch. http://deb.li/it56U |
| 19:35.48 | NoImNotNineVolt | maybe we'll see docker in the repo by 2017? :P |
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| 19:35.54 | s7r | i love debian |
| 19:35.55 | codebam | so like 2 years probably? |
| 19:36.00 | greycat | about 2 years typically |
| 19:36.04 | jelly | NoImNotNineVolt: maybe we'll see it never |
| 19:36.05 | codebam | cool |
| 19:36.17 | codebam | thats good. I dont want to update again for a while. |
| 19:36.46 | codebam | is sid a rolling release? |
| 19:36.48 | porton | Does it make sense to keep "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free" if I have already switched to stretch? |
| 19:37.07 | greycat | sid is just "the big pile of packages sitting on the server" |
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| 19:37.23 | codebam | ah. I see |
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| 19:37.52 | greycat | when a package has been sitting in sid (unstable) for X days without release critical bugs filed against it, then it moseys into testing. Normally. |
| 19:38.34 | codebam | how long until we'll see things like kernel updates? do those come in very often? |
| 19:38.51 | codebam | in stable |
| 19:38.54 | greycat | A new kernel *version* would normally only happen with a new stable Debian release, but kernel security updates can happen at any time. |
| 19:39.08 | codebam | ah okay |
| 19:39.10 | SynrG | Without RC bugs and its deps all satisfiable in testing. |
| 19:39.11 | greycat | There was a linux security update just a couple days after jessie's release. |
| 19:39.19 | jelly | codebam: depends on how often there are critical issues to be fixed in the kernel. Maybe once a month, maybe more often, maybe less |
| 19:39.37 | SynrG | The latter can otherwise significantly delay migrations |
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| 19:40.13 | codebam | how long did it take the team to patch shellshock when it came around? |
| 19:40.24 | greycat | Usually when stable is a year or so old, you start getting users complaining that the kernel is too old for their hardware. |
| 19:40.35 | jelly | !tell codebam about tracker of doom |
| 19:40.35 | shay_shay | hours and then weeks to fix the bugs caused by the shellshock patches |
| 19:40.46 | codebam | oh. okay |
| 19:40.47 | greycat | Then you start looking at backports and alternative install images.... |
| 19:40.49 | jelly | codebam: you can look up relevant CVE numbers there. |
| 19:41.15 | BadCodSmell | apt-get remove is applying regex to the whole package metadata |
| 19:41.21 | BadCodSmell | how do I get it to just apply to the package name? |
| 19:41.48 | jelly | BadCodSmell: what's your actual command line, and what are you trying to achieve? |
| 19:41.55 | BadCodSmell | ah wait |
| 19:42.08 | BadCodSmell | So it uses glob for install but regex for remove? |
| 19:42.10 | BadCodSmell | Strange |
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| 19:42.44 | codebam | which would be more stable, debian or gentoo? |
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| 19:44.29 | BadCodSmell | debian by default |
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| 19:44.38 | jelly | codebam: try both for a couple months, and see |
| 19:44.48 | BadCodSmell | Why does bash depend on dash? |
| 19:45.16 | jelly | it Pre-Depends |
| 19:45.22 | greycat | Depends: base-files (>= 2.1.12), debianutils (>= 2.15) |
| 19:45.29 | codebam | jelly: okay. well im keeping debian for now. probably best considering this processor sucks. building packages would be painfully slow |
| 19:45.56 | greycat | Pre-depends, presumably because you need dash to run the pre/postinstall scripts? |
| 19:46.06 | codebam | but in that way gentoo would be more secure I guess |
| 19:46.17 | eddyp | greycat, yes, that's the reason |
| 19:46.31 | BadCodSmell | So it's a work around basically |
| 19:46.36 | BadCodSmell | reacharound I mean |
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| 19:47.27 | SynrG | Words like "stable" and "secure" are subjective and not directly quantifiable. |
| 19:47.40 | eddyp | neither dash or bash are Essential: yes, but you need to run the pre/post inst/rm scripts somehow |
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| 19:48.27 | acz32 | codebam: you need to do some searching. all of your questions so far are easily answered online |
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| 19:49.27 | jelly | eddyp: Priority: required is not far off tho |
| 19:49.43 | eddyp | true |
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| 19:49.53 | codebam | acz32: sorry. |
| 19:49.58 | eddyp | but the meaning is different |
| 19:50.07 | frikinz | Any idea on how to stop my laptop going to sleep on lid close? I've set LID_SLEEP ACPI_SLEEP ACPI_HIBERNATE to false in /etc/default/acpi-support, commented the action line in /etc/acpi/events/lidbtn but still it suspends |
| 19:50.14 | frikinz | I have no X nor DE |
| 19:50.22 | jelly | frikinz: jessie w/ systemd? |
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| 19:50.33 | frikinz | yes |
| 19:50.49 | frikinz | jelly: ^ |
| 19:50.50 | codebam | he has wayland... lol |
| 19:51.13 | Brigo | frikinz, configuring logind |
| 19:51.46 | jelly | frikinz: http://current.workingdirectory.net/posts/2014/getting-to-know-systemd/ at the bottom |
| 19:52.13 | Brigo | frikinz, modify HandleLidSwitch= should suffice -with a bit of luck- |
| 19:52.47 | Brigo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:53.55 | frikinz | so acpi-support and systemd do the same thing? great |
| 19:54.02 | frikinz | Brigo jelly thanks |
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| 19:54.34 | greycat | I like this bit from that web page: "I confess, I never bothered to really learn update-rc.d. Everytime I read the manpage I ended up throwing up my hands and renaming symlinks by hand." |
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| 19:55.16 | jelly | greycat: it's honestly easier than trying to figure out how to make update-rc.d do exactly what you want |
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| 19:55.31 | greycat | I believe you. I always did my own manual symlinking too. |
| 19:55.45 | eddyp | greycat, what I always found frustrating with sys-v was that it wasn't trivial to install a package and not have the service running by default |
| 19:56.15 | greycat | well, most of my Debian boxes are sysvinit + daemontools |
| 19:56.17 | jelly | eddyp: policy-rc.d is easily abused for that |
| 19:56.37 | eddyp | I'm now running wheezy with backported systemd and have dnsmasq stated by hand, when necessary |
| 19:56.45 | eddyp | *started |
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| 19:57.09 | greycat | Pretty much any service that's installed as a .deb, I let the Debian sysvinit scripts do whatever the hell they do. Anything I installed by hand, I would just configure under daemontools. SO much easier. |
| 19:57.46 | eddyp | I dislike manual installs, I only do them in ~/opt/<package> |
| 19:58.01 | jelly | waits for greycat to write a daemontools svc -> systemd unit converter tool |
| 19:58.03 | eddyp | this way they are easily uninstallable |
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| 19:58.39 | eddyp | I prefer to do local backports just to have the debs |
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| 19:58.49 | greycat | jelly: you might be waiting a really long time. But I do have a systemd service thingy definition to start daemontools. |
| 19:58.52 | jelly | greycat: it has tcpserver, svscan, restarts, logging of stdout, should be easy! |
| 19:59.09 | jelly | *equivalents |
| 19:59.41 | greycat | Yes, I appreciate that systemd is finally a "real" service manager with many of the same features we learned with daemontools. |
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| 20:00.09 | greycat | It's still got a hell of a learning curve. |
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| 20:00.31 | NoImNotNineVolt | the perfect is the enemy of the good. |
| 20:00.41 | NoImNotNineVolt | systemd is a marked improvement over its predecessor(s). |
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| 20:00.53 | greycat | which predecessor(s) are you referring to? |
| 20:01.05 | BadCodSmell | Still probably immature though. |
| 20:01.07 | NoImNotNineVolt | from sysv init to upstart. |
| 20:01.22 | superfast | does the graphical installation of Jessie has Full Disk Encryption? |
| 20:01.30 | superfast | like Trisquel? |
| 20:01.32 | greycat | I never used upstart. sysvinit was never a real service manager -- it was always a clumsy hack. |
| 20:01.46 | eddyp | BSD guys are excited about systemd, judging by the BSDNow messages there are quite a few people trying the BSD "because" of systemd |
| 20:02.09 | eddyp | superfast, you can opt for it |
| 20:02.19 | greycat | traditional BSD never even PRETENDED to have a service manager. It was just a bunch of daemons started one time at boot, and you did it all by hand after that. |
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| 20:02.29 | superfast | eddyp, so there is a option in the installer? |
| 20:02.42 | eddyp | it was at least in 2008 |
| 20:02.58 | eddyp | I expect no regression in that area |
| 20:03.08 | jelly | greycat: amusingly there's a half-decent systemd unit to nosh converter (nosh is one of those wrote-my-own-better-daemontools) |
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| 20:03.51 | BadCodSmell | superfast yes, when it asks you about your selections, choose pr0n server |
| 20:03.56 | eddyp | superfast, not sure if an unecrypted /boot partition isn't necessary, though |
| 20:04.04 | NoImNotNineVolt | daemontools the disc image manipulation tool for windows? |
| 20:04.11 | jelly | slaps NoImNotNineVolt |
| 20:04.21 | greycat | http://cr.yp.to/daemontools.html |
| 20:04.22 | NoImNotNineVolt | scratches his head |
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| 20:04.36 | NoImNotNineVolt | ah. never heard of it. |
| 20:04.53 | BadCodSmell | It's a more appropriate name in linux. |
| 20:04.54 | NoImNotNineVolt | but i <3 djb |
| 20:04.58 | eddyp | djb code |
| 20:05.04 | BadCodSmell | Why the windows app is called daemontools is a mystery |
| 20:05.10 | greycat | I'm surprised you knew who DJB is but not daemontools. |
| 20:05.10 | BadCodSmell | Should be cdtools or isotools |
| 20:05.10 | superfast | BadCodSmell, what do you mean choose pr0n server? |
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| 20:05.18 | superfast | eddyp, I don't get your question |
| 20:05.54 | eddyp | superfast, I don't know if the entire disk is encrypted or there is a need of a small boot partition |
| 20:05.57 | jelly | superfast: it's not really FDE, if /boot is left unencrypted |
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| 20:06.11 | BadCodSmell | superfast you would probably have to select custom partiting somewhere and it will be an option there |
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| 20:06.15 | eddyp | .... what jelly said |
| 20:06.29 | NoImNotNineVolt | daemontools doesn't seem to have anthing to do with crypto. |
| 20:06.40 | superfast | ok guys |
| 20:06.40 | greycat | True. |
| 20:06.42 | eddyp | superfast, but that can be a small partition |
| 20:06.42 | superfast | thanks |
| 20:06.46 | NoImNotNineVolt | and i work in... ::sighs::... "cybersecurity" |
| 20:06.58 | greycat | cr.yp.to is just DJB's domain name |
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| 20:07.04 | superfast | BadCodSmell, I don't think we need custom partitioning for FDE? |
| 20:07.08 | superfast | or do we? |
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| 20:07.37 | eddyp | superfast, the partitioner allows you to select a "recipe" for it |
| 20:07.48 | lophos | Hello, I have one question, with security upgrades is needed to reboot the machine after the apt-get update and apt-get upgrade? |
| 20:07.50 | eddyp | and it does the right thing (tm) |
| 20:07.55 | lophos | I'm using systemd |
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| 20:08.12 | eddyp | lophos, they don't, unless is the kernel |
| 20:08.13 | superfast | eddyp, ok thanks |
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| 20:08.15 | greycat | You only need to reboot if there was a kernel update. |
| 20:08.17 | lophos | ok thanks |
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| 20:08.49 | eddyp | I wonder if an update to systemd would need a reboot, though |
| 20:08.56 | superfast | jelly, but I really want whatever disk encryption it has to offer |
| 20:08.57 | jelly | lophos: it's the simplest way to make all the processes use newly installed patched components. Sometimes it's the only way (when kernel is updated) |
| 20:08.58 | BadCodSmell | You might need to reboot even if not a kernel update from time to time. |
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| 20:09.13 | frikinz | until linux 4.0 comes and we shouldn't have to reboot anymore |
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| 20:09.38 | jelly | frikinz: that is not strictly true. |
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| 20:09.41 | BadCodSmell | You may almost always need to reboot. |
| 20:09.44 | eddyp | superfast, for most cases what debian-installer offers is enough |
| 20:09.50 | greycat | eddyp: in theory, systemd-as-PID-1 should be able to exec() a new version of itself, but I don't know if it does. |
| 20:09.54 | frikinz | jelly: less |
| 20:10.01 | superfast | eddyp, if it offers FDE, it should be enough |
| 20:10.04 | superfast | :) |
| 20:10.31 | eddyp | greycat, I know it can be done, I don't know if is implemented |
| 20:12.04 | nullfaith | I have the RTL8723BE wireless chipset and am using Debian Jessie. I have installed the lwfinger rtlwifi_new and rtl8723au drivers from github. I have wifi off currently. I can pair and connect to my bluetooth speakers but then IMMEDIATELY it disconnects me. Any ideas? |
| 20:12.26 | nullfaith | This issue is bluetooth related and not wifi |
| 20:12.29 | Sublim3_ | Hi, after upgrading from deb7 to deb8 I'm having issues with python 2.7.9 https://bpaste.net/show/79f08e2541b1 Any help apreciated |
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| 20:14.02 | jelly | Sublim3_: why is there a hashlib.py in your /usr/local/lib ? |
| 20:14.35 | Sublim3_ | not sure . . |
| 20:14.46 | eddyp | Sublim3_, not the best answer |
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| 20:14.58 | tremon | nullfaith: bluetooth speakers immediately disconnect if there is no useful audio protocol available on your machine. Do you have pulseaudio-module-bluetooth installed, and pulseaudio running? |
| 20:15.11 | Sublim3_ | I don;t think I've ever done anything funky with my python install except install extra modules from pip |
| 20:15.20 | greycat | Did you, by chance, locally build and install python 2.7? |
| 20:15.21 | jelly | Sublim3_: did you install them as root? |
| 20:15.29 | Sublim3_ | some of them yes |
| 20:15.34 | jelly | well then |
| 20:15.35 | nullfaith | tremon: it is a fresh debian gnome install and that is most likely why. |
| 20:15.50 | Sublim3_ | just curious as to why this didn't happen before the upgrade |
| 20:16.11 | tremon | nullfaith: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Bluetooth_Headset is the best source I know for bluetooth audio. Jessie has bluez 5, so you can skip the alsa sections |
| 20:16.15 | eddyp | Sublim3_, those are probably compatible with older Python |
| 20:16.26 | jelly | Sublim3_: /usr/bin/python pointed to the other python 2.x then |
| 20:16.45 | nullfaith | Kk thanks tremon. |
| 20:16.53 | nullfaith | Just installed that module |
| 20:17.18 | jelly | Sublim3_: I guess you should now uninstall that stuff. I don't know what's the best way to do it. |
| 20:17.32 | eddyp | pip uninstall? |
| 20:18.07 | Sublim3_ | well there is the problem that I can't use pip . . :( |
| 20:18.08 | jelly | only knows it's not "mv /usr/local/lib/python2.7 /junkyard" |
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| 20:18.30 | Sublim3_ | in fact most things python are unusable ATM |
| 20:18.48 | teraflop | tell you don't do sudo pip install whatever |
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| 20:22.25 | eddyp | jelly, why wouldn't a mv work? |
| 20:22.44 | eddyp | if it doesn't, then Sublim3_ can move them back |
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| 20:22.53 | jelly | eddyp: I didn't say it wouldn't work. |
| 20:23.10 | jelly | I said it was not the best way. |
| 20:23.17 | eddyp | oh, I agree |
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| 20:23.39 | eddyp | leftovers ... but is in /usr/local anyway |
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| 20:23.53 | jelly | and since /usr/local/lib/python2.7 is not part of any package, it shouldn't break anything packaged |
| 20:24.05 | eddyp | exactly my point |
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| 20:24.22 | Arenlor | Would the line /usr/sbin/service clamav-daemon restart >/dev/null work in cron.hourly to only email output on error? |
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| 20:24.58 | jelly | Arenlor: stupid question, why would you want to do that in the first place |
| 20:25.28 | Arenlor | jelly: It is going down without any logged information as to why the daemon has stopped every 11-56 hours. |
| 20:26.12 | Arenlor | jelly: I should probably use some logic to determine if it's down first and all, but I'm too lazy. |
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| 20:28.36 | eddyp | Arenlor, the mail would be delayed until the process is done, but the restart exits right away, so you don't gain much |
| 20:28.56 | eddyp | s/restart/service/ |
| 20:29.36 | eddyp | you'd better start it in foreground mode, if it supports that |
| 20:29.57 | eddyp | and verbose mode, if available |
| 20:30.13 | eddyp | that way you can understand why it crashes |
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| 20:30.45 | jelly | Arenlor: if the process disappears completely, you can easily prepend pgrep -P1 clamd >dev/null || |
| 20:30.59 | jelly | mind the typos |
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| 20:31.35 | Arenlor | Thanks guys, will try to start it in foreground and see if it actually tells me why it dies. |
| 20:31.53 | Arenlor | jelly: It does disappear completely, no zombie. |
| 20:32.21 | jelly | then you can do the pgrep test and run the cron job more often |
| 20:32.34 | jelly | and not need to redirect output of service at all |
| 20:33.24 | Arenlor | jelly alright, thanks, it should help for now, until I figure out why it goes away. |
| 20:33.53 | jelly | presumably monitoring and restart can be done by systemd, but I have no idea how to configure it to do that itself |
| 20:34.21 | Arenlor | jelly: Me neither, but now it's off to figure out why it's dying. |
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| 20:35.38 | eddyp | in moments like this I understand the BSD guys liking not have to learn the new system that will last for 2-3 years (see devfs, for instance) |
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| 20:37.44 | jelly | udev survived |
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| 20:40.48 | NoImNotNineVolt | systemd question: https://dpaste.de/0Zt3 |
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| 20:41.27 | NoImNotNineVolt | Failed at step USER spawning /usr/bin/java: No such process |
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| 20:41.43 | NoImNotNineVolt | and i do indeed have a working /usr/bin/java |
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| 20:46.14 | codebam | is plex not available for debian? |
| 20:46.25 | codebam | I cant seem to find it |
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| 20:46.46 | NoImNotNineVolt | also, side question: $SKIP_UNKNOWN_TYPES is either "true" or "false"; is there a way to add that flag if it's true and not add it if it's false? (in the systemd unit definition) |
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| 20:46.50 | littlebit | hi people, I have setup a raspberry pi with raspbian do make a wlan do ethernet bridge, supplying a switch with internet and IPs. Everything is working great but all of the sudden I my wifi link drops out. A quick look at the syslog I have this entry: ifplugd(eth0) Link beat detected |
| 20:46.55 | littlebit | can someone tell me what is wrong?? |
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| 20:47.01 | littlebit | or missing?? |
| 20:47.19 | NoImNotNineVolt | littlebit: eth0 isn't the wifi. |
| 20:47.28 | littlebit | i know that is the funny thing |
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| 20:47.40 | codebam | littlebit: have you tried rebooting? |
| 20:47.42 | NoImNotNineVolt | littlebit: also, are you running the wifi adapter directly on the rpi usb? |
| 20:48.16 | NoImNotNineVolt | i ask because the rpi is terrible at powering usb devices, and devices that draw any measurable power should be run through an externally-powered usb hub. |
| 20:48.18 | codebam | this intrests me actually. I bought one the other day and I will be using a wifi usb |
| 20:48.21 | littlebit | codebam: rebooting gets everything back working, but after 10 or 15 minutes it drops out again |
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| 20:48.41 | ctmjr | codebam: no plex is not in debian |
| 20:49.07 | NoImNotNineVolt | (also worth noting, though not terribly relevant, is that the ethernet port is really a usb<->ethernet adapter. |
| 20:49.21 | littlebit | NoImNotNineVolt: I have cheked that as a first thing. but that isn't the issue because I have setup the py at work and that worked all day |
| 20:49.22 | NoImNotNineVolt | therefore, ethernet traffic clogs up the usb bus, and vice versa. |
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| 20:49.30 | ctmjr | !raspbian |
| 20:49.31 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 20:49.43 | NoImNotNineVolt | littlebit: in that case, i have no other suggestions. sorry. |
| 20:49.51 | codebam | whats the protocol to host files for a media server? |
| 20:49.56 | codebam | I forget |
| 20:50.12 | littlebit | NoImNotNineVolt: ok thx, for your help anyway |
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| 20:50.15 | littlebit | exit |
| 20:50.24 | codebam | ./ |
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| 20:51.41 | tremon | codebam: I'm assuming you mean upnp, but that's a discovery protocol, not to host files. The files are usually hosted over standard smb/cifs or http iirc |
| 20:52.38 | NoImNotNineVolt | so any systemd buffs around? |
| 20:52.43 | codebam | tremon: yes that was what I meant. oh and okay |
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| 20:53.19 | tremon | codebam: the entire suite of protocols is called dlna, maybe that's what you meant |
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| 20:53.43 | codebam | well I dont have anything that supports dlna. so I did mean upnp actually |
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| 20:57.21 | Sublim3_ | can someone on deb8 tell me what their $PYTHONPATH is ? |
| 20:57.37 | greycat | unset |
| 20:57.40 | tremon | Sublim3_: unset |
| 20:58.44 | codebam | isnt it just $PYTHON? |
| 20:58.47 | tremon | NoImNotNineVolt: try #debian-systemd on irc.oftc.net if there's little response here |
| 20:58.57 | BadCodSmell | When removing packages with apt-get, can i get it to just ignore packages that can't be located? |
| 20:58.58 | codebam | btw, hey Sublim3_ |
| 20:59.10 | Sublim3_ | whats up :p |
| 20:59.28 | karlpinc | NoImNotNineVolt: To get a response you usually need to ask a specific question. |
| 20:59.37 | codebam | nm. still waiting on zerobaud. I think im going to message him on fb |
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| 21:01.17 | Sublim3_ | and again can someone on deb8 show me the output of : i=$(readlink -f $(which python)); ldd $i |
| 21:01.35 | Sublim3_ | codebam, not even sure who zerobaud is :p |
| 21:01.41 | ryouma | wow the guy was right. okular wants to pull in 80MB of stuff. |
| 21:01.59 | codebam | Sublim3_: mb. you know him as opk0de |
| 21:02.07 | Sublim3_ | ahh |
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| 21:02.37 | DexterF | hi |
| 21:02.39 | codebam | Sublim3_: just a sec. lol im on deb8 |
| 21:03.25 | DexterF | wanted to upgrade 7 to 8, followed http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.de.html , now at upgrade and dist-upgrade it only speaks of bash that's on hold (whil ~ahold) did not mention it |
| 21:03.38 | DexterF | but apart from that does nothing. help? |
| 21:05.06 | DexterF | bugger! my fault, did not edit sources.lst properly... |
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| 21:06.07 | codebam | Sublim3_: http://paste.debian.net/170035/ |
| 21:06.18 | codebam | theres a reason im running debian lol |
| 21:06.21 | codebam | i386 |
| 21:06.32 | NoImNotNineVolt | karlpinc: i did, and i pasted my code, and i pasted the error. |
| 21:06.38 | codebam | this is the old computer from the basement :p |
| 21:07.20 | NoImNotNineVolt | karlpinc: is that your way of volunteering to help me if i start repeating myself? :P |
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| 21:08.01 | NoImNotNineVolt | here's a more-complete paste of my unit file ( https://dpaste.de/m4KS ) and the error i'm getting is "Failed at step USER spawning /usr/bin/java: No such process" |
| 21:08.15 | NoImNotNineVolt | karlpinc: thank you in advance for your help. |
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| 21:10.02 | greycat | NoImNotNineVolt: what are the "$ID_PROPERTY" and so on supposed to do? |
| 21:10.20 | NoImNotNineVolt | they're environment variables. they're supposed to be command line arguments. |
| 21:10.38 | NoImNotNineVolt | they're sourced by the EnvironmentFile line above ExecStart. |
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| 21:11.56 | greycat | reads man pages... ok, it does say that trailing and "$FOO" are supported. |
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| 21:13.11 | codebam | how long does it take for debian pastes to expire? |
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| 21:14.53 | NoImNotNineVolt | aha! |
| 21:14.58 | NoImNotNineVolt | it fails at step USER, not step EXEC |
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| 21:19.13 | jake_ | How do I install Debian Jessie with KDE? With wheezy the netinst had an Alternative Desktop Environments option but now it's gone |
| 21:20.02 | greycat | I guess he found the desktop selection thingy in the installer, and ran away. |
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| 21:21.11 | atrapado | o |
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| 21:28.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | that, or aliens abducted him |
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| 21:29.28 | warsh | Are there any recommended manners for doing daily backups to a HDD, or does rsync and cron do the job? |
| 21:30.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | warsh, look at rsnapshot |
| 21:30.22 | Skyrider | I know this isn't "debian" specific, but anyone happens to know a system what i can install on debian that checks gmail's third party POP3 mails? |
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| 21:30.45 | Skyrider | ATM, it checks third party mails once per 1 hour as far as I know. |
| 21:31.07 | jelly | Skyrider: you can check your pop3 mails without going to gmail |
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| 21:31.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | warsh, there are a couple of others (whose names I don't remember because I didn't use them) ... they do different things... but rsnapshot sounds like the one you want anyway, if you consider plain rsync |
| 21:31.38 | jelly | I don't know of a tool that reads them off the gmail account |
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| 21:32.43 | jelly | Skyrider: getmail or fetchmail can be used to automate fetching new messages from pop3 |
| 21:32.46 | cmyers | huh, on two different mirrors now, I've gotten a hash sum mismatch for jessie main i386 packages. |
| 21:33.10 | cmyers | maybe just getting unlucky and racing with an update? |
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| 21:33.56 | jelly | cmyers: probably |
| 21:34.07 | Skyrider | jelly: The problem is, that I'm currently using zoho with my domain emails but the forward isn't always working. It's currently set to forward to my gmail account. |
| 21:34.19 | jelly | and some mirrors using old scripts where inconsistency could be seen more often |
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| 21:34.26 | Skyrider | I could setup gmail as POP3 to my custom domain address, but it only checks once an hour. |
| 21:34.29 | Skyrider | Bit gay if you ask me.. |
| 21:34.41 | jelly | so is using "gay" as a slur |
| 21:34.51 | Skyrider | ^_^ |
| 21:34.59 | cmyers | so far, ftp.{ca.,de.,}debian.org have all given the error =/ |
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| 21:37.42 | jelly | dunno, mine works |
| 21:37.45 | dept | hello |
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| 21:39.36 | NoImNotNineVolt | Skyrider: why don't you just use google apps for your domain? |
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| 21:40.01 | NoImNotNineVolt | seems silly to have the MX records point elsewhere only for google to then fetch from there for you to view in your gmail. |
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| 21:40.35 | jelly | gapps cost $$$ |
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| 21:41.40 | jelly | Skyrider: what does it mean, "forward isn't always working" |
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| 21:42.41 | jelly | if you have connectivity or deliverability issues, fix them. If you're caught by gmail's recent switch to tagging most forwards as Spam, well, you're SOL |
| 21:43.09 | jelly | (stop using gmail as your archive and use your own mail server) |
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| 21:44.35 | Skyrider | Ya.. not going to do my own mail server again.. Tried that a few weeks ago. |
| 21:44.41 | Skyrider | Had to reinstall my whole OS. |
| 21:44.47 | blackflow | !! |
| 21:44.48 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 21:44.54 | blackflow | oops |
| 21:45.04 | Skyrider | At the end, while I got everything to work.. everything was so slow, non-responsive.. I was forced to reinstall debian. |
| 21:45.23 | Skyrider | Secondly.. zoho doesn't appear to be forwarding 'all' the mail.. it works for some, but not all. |
| 21:45.27 | blackflow | Skyrider: what on earth did you do to it that made you reinstall your whole OS? |
| 21:45.31 | Skyrider | And it's not getting into my gmail spam folder either. |
| 21:45.41 | cmyers | so how long before I assume the problem isn't just transient? Is there some way this could be caused by something on my end? |
| 21:45.47 | Skyrider | Beats me.. I followed instructions, so I wasn't expecting any issues. |
| 21:45.50 | jelly | I've no idea what zoho is, but surely it can be debugged |
| 21:46.17 | Skyrider | Personally, I think the email forwarding of zoho isn't reliable.. after I noticed other people through the years are having issues with it. |
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| 21:47.52 | Skyrider | It may be better to setup my own mail server, but its also a pain in the ass to set it up properly. |
| 21:47.59 | Skyrider | Without any issues, errors, etc. |
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| 21:48.06 | cmyers | this is a linode, I wonder if they are doing anything funky with traffic to known debian mirrors? |
| 21:48.10 | cmyers | that would be a crazy thought. |
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| 21:51.41 | martinvdk | I just installed cups, but it won't start. |
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| 21:52.11 | starlifterdigi | Howdy, I just generated a csr using the instructions at: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/create-a-new-certificate-request-ssl-debian-linux-596151/ where is the best practise place to store the key and csr? |
| 21:53.14 | blackflow | starlifterdigi: I store them in /etc/ssl/private |
| 21:53.28 | Skyrider | https://www.danielslaughter.com/projects/gmail-pop3-checker-for-greasemonkey/ <- |
| 21:53.36 | starlifterdigi | Cool, thanks for the tip blackflow |
| 21:53.41 | Skyrider | I need something like this, but then for debian.. that's all. if getmail, etc can do that, awesome :D |
| 21:54.18 | cmyers | mirrors.kernel.org is broken for me too |
| 21:54.28 | cmyers | it's becoming difficult to believe that this is transient |
| 21:54.43 | cmyers | either everyone is broke or I am broke in some way locally |
| 21:54.47 | Skyrider | mmhhh |
| 21:54.59 | blackflow | Skyrider: fetchmail? |
| 21:55.22 | martinvdk | is my aptitude repo list broken, or is cups just not there? |
| 21:55.23 | cmyers | I've used fetchmail for like a decade, super solid. +1. |
| 21:55.40 | jelly | martinvdk: which release are you using? |
| 21:55.59 | martinvdk | jelly: Jessie |
| 21:55.59 | Skyrider | I could of course rather than thinking hard, just install a mail forwarder instead. |
| 21:56.11 | Skyrider | grabbing my zoho info and forward to my gmail.. |
| 21:56.11 | jelly | dpkg, tell martinvdk about jessie sources.list |
| 21:56.36 | martinvdk | jelly: thanks :) |
| 21:56.51 | Skyrider | In any case, thanks folks. I'll check it out later. |
| 21:56.55 | Skyrider | For now, beddy time. Night. |
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| 21:58.51 | cmyers | the exact lines dpkg reports when you ask it "jessie sources.list" don't work for me - both apt-get update and aptitude update report Hash Sum mismatch =( |
| 21:59.05 | cmyers | could someone else run an update and just see if you see that as well? |
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| 21:59.42 | NoImNotNineVolt | I read Hash Sum mismatch as Ham Samwich |
| 21:59.42 | OneSploit_ | Hi |
| 21:59.54 | OneSploit_ | I cant get usb with netinst to boot |
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| 22:00.15 | OneSploit_ | I used dd if=...iso of=/dev/sdb as usuall |
| 22:00.18 | OneSploit_ | any help? |
| 22:01.11 | Brigo | OneSploit_, can you test the usb in other computer? it uses to work. |
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| 22:01.26 | OneSploit_ | does not boot on other as well |
| 22:01.32 | OneSploit_ | and I checked in bios |
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| 22:01.50 | OneSploit_ | I use this image http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 22:02.17 | spyker10_ | hi |
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| 22:02.54 | Brigo | OneSploit_, and why are you using a testing install? |
| 22:02.57 | Brigo | installer* |
| 22:03.03 | OneSploit_ | I always did so |
| 22:03.11 | Brigo | from daily-builds. |
| 22:03.38 | Brigo | OneSploit_, well, it could fail easely. I use to install stable and upgrade |
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| 22:04.18 | OneSploit_ | is there a testing image somewhere ? |
| 22:04.25 | OneSploit_ | never happened to me that it failed before.. |
| 22:04.48 | OneSploit_ | but I use Debian only since 2.0 version... and once I install it I dont do it too often |
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| 22:05.30 | jelly | OneSploit_: use cp instead of dd |
| 22:05.59 | jelly | I'm not sure why it works better (or any different) in some cases |
| 22:06.04 | OneSploit_ | cp ? |
| 22:06.10 | OneSploit_ | it's iso image |
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| 22:06.16 | Amun_Ra | OneSploit_: like: cp netinst.iso /dev/sdx |
| 22:06.17 | jelly | OneSploit_: yes, cp foo.iso /dev/sdb |
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| 22:06.44 | jelly | OneSploit_: assuming sdb is your usb stick |
| 22:06.49 | Brigo | i thought cp was better only because it is faster. |
| 22:06.58 | Amun_Ra | dd works better if one change default block size |
| 22:07.17 | OneSploit_ | i did to 4M |
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| 22:07.57 | jelly | I don't know why, but I've had experience and occasionally a user reports that cp resulted in a bootable stick where dd did not |
| 22:07.58 | Brigo | then cp it faster when you write the command :) |
| 22:08.08 | jelly | !usb install |
| 22:08.08 | dpkg | You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. Use http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ to write images from Windows. For BIOSes not capable of USB boot, ask me about <plop>. |
| 22:09.20 | OneSploit_ | jelly, ok copying with cp is something new to me, I never thought that it is possible to copy to device like that, new feature? |
| 22:09.43 | jelly | OneSploit_: also, use the image for stable (jessie) in expert mode. |
| 22:09.54 | Amun_Ra | OneSploit_: you can also cat netinst.iso >/dev/device |
| 22:10.10 | jelly | OneSploit_: testing d-i images are not for installing testing, they're for testing the installer |
| 22:10.29 | jelly | OneSploit_: not new. |
| 22:10.35 | OneSploit_ | ok image is broken |
| 22:10.47 | OneSploit_ | I will try 8.0 |
| 22:11.09 | woodrainn | Hello, I just did a fresh Debian 8 install from CD ... but I can't log into system ... it appears I have no keyboard |
| 22:11.18 | woodrainn | can anyone take pity on me and offer some advice? |
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| 22:11.37 | jelly | unplug the keyboard and plug it back in? :-) |
| 22:11.43 | woodrainn | keyboard works at GRUB stage to select OS. But at login prompt ... nothing. |
| 22:11.51 | woodrainn | jelly, I've done this a couple times. |
| 22:12.00 | woodrainn | does it help to try different USB ports? |
| 22:12.04 | jelly | it might |
| 22:12.07 | Brigo | woodrainn, there is little we can do without a keyboard :) |
| 22:12.14 | OneSploit_ | ssh ? |
| 22:12.27 | woodrainn | dpkg told me cherry keyboards don't work before 6.0.1 |
| 22:12.27 | dpkg | woodrainn: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 22:12.44 | jelly | woodrainn: that's a long time ago |
| 22:12.52 | woodrainn | jelly, I know. |
| 22:12.55 | woodrainn | I should be okay. |
| 22:13.18 | woodrainn | do I need to re-start after changing the unplugging/replugging or should it come back immediately? |
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| 22:14.36 | Brigo | woodrainn, did you try to boot with the old kernel? |
| 22:15.08 | crtlaltdel | shit=Spartan; fan=IE; if [ "$shit" != "$fan" ]; then echo "SPARTAAAAA\!\!\!"; else echo "FAIL\!"; fi |
| 22:15.40 | Brigo | woodrainn, or in a rescue mode |
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| 22:17.01 | jelly | woodrainn: it ought to come back soon. Do you have a different keyboard? |
| 22:17.09 | jelly | a matter of seconds |
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| 22:17.22 | OneSploit_ | jelly, no luck with 8.0.0 either |
| 22:17.38 | jelly | OneSploit_: you're doing something wrong, then |
| 22:17.47 | OneSploit_ | probably... |
| 22:18.09 | jelly | does the image checksum match? |
| 22:19.28 | OneSploit_ | not sure, will check thx for tip |
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| 22:20.27 | chimeracoder | How can I run a user instance of systemd on a headless remote server? I get "Failed to get D-Bus connection: Connection refused", even after creating a dbus.{socket,service} file and enabling that |
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| 22:22.13 | OneSploit_ | jelly, I have hard time beliving what I could do wrong with dd or cp, at least dd used to work, and two different images dont boot.. maybe usb stick is wacky I have no clue, but it;s late here so for now going to bed, thanks for help |
| 22:22.29 | jelly | good night then, OneSploit_ |
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| 22:28.23 | woodrainn | Brigo, old kernel boot, that's a good idea. |
| 22:28.37 | woodrainn | Jelly, what do you mean it ought to come back soon? |
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| 22:29.43 | woodrainn | Jelly, Brigo other thing, is that hte keyboard works for Grub, (up and down arrows and Enter, anyway) but not for the login prompt: |
| 22:29.47 | woodrainn | Ugh |
| 22:30.01 | ohmbase | I was able to get my previous non-booting system bootable by using nomodeset as a boot option. Where do I report this so that the next poor schmuck with this kinda hardware(nvidious nforce) doesn't get stuck? |
| 22:30.33 | Brigo | woodrainn, so you can check logs, right? :) |
| 22:31.52 | woodrainn | Brigo, er, I have never done that. |
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| 22:32.02 | woodrainn | Brigo, is it possible without a keyboard? |
| 22:32.21 | Brigo | woodrainn, dont you have a keyboard just now? |
| 22:32.50 | woodrainn | Brigo, what do you mean just now? I have a keyboard. Worked on same hardware with an old Debian. Dead now. |
| 22:33.08 | jelly | woodrainn: I meant quickly. under 5 seconds for detection and enabling a usb input device |
| 22:33.19 | woodrainn | Brigo, new Debian is on a new HDD |
| 22:33.24 | woodrainn | jelly, thank you. |
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| 22:33.53 | woodrainn | jelly, is there ever any trouble with USB ports on recent Debian releases? |
| 22:34.02 | Brigo | woodrainn, i was talking about boot jessie with the old kernel, but is a fresh install. |
| 22:34.15 | Brigo | can you mount the jessie disk, anyway? |
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| 22:35.27 | jelly | woodrainn: that kind of trouble is usually hardware-specific |
| 22:35.49 | jelly | woodrainn: might be nice if you'd complete an installation report or filed a bug against the kernel package, linux-image-$(uname -r) |
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| 22:36.42 | Brigo | it could be a lack of a module in initramfs, with some luck. |
| 22:37.01 | jelly | woodrainn: did you happen to install server stuff, openssh server? You might be able to log in from another machine in the same network and investigate further |
| 22:37.30 | jelly | Brigo: I understood the system boots |
| 22:37.53 | woodrainn | jelly, I did install ssh server. |
| 22:38.23 | Brigo | jelly, i hope it is a lack of the module which supports that keyboard. |
| 22:38.49 | jelly | woodrainn: if you have a smartphone or something else with an ssh client, you can log in to the debian installation and see if anything happens in dmesg output when you unplug and plug back the keyboard |
| 22:39.05 | woodrainn | jelly, can I use putty. |
| 22:39.10 | woodrainn | ? |
| 22:39.10 | jelly | yes |
| 22:39.27 | Brigo | woodrainn, if it is in another computer connected to this one ... |
| 22:39.38 | woodrainn | jelly, that's a great idea. It's going to be tricky but I'll try to figure it out. |
| 22:39.55 | cmyers | even after following http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15505775/debian-apt-packages-hash-sum-mismatch I'm still getting the error, which seems to imply it is really a problem with the remotes. |
| 22:40.13 | jelly | woodrainn: you'll need to figure out the IP address of the debian install then ssh into it |
| 22:40.14 | cmyers | I guess all the debian package mirrors I have tried are really (hopefully transiently?) broken... |
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| 22:40.33 | woodrainn | jelly, yeah, I am having trouble with the IP |
| 22:40.51 | jelly | cmyers: or you have a silly transparent proxy in between! WORRY. |
| 22:41.11 | cmyers | yes, worry indeed |
| 22:41.15 | cmyers | if only I could enable ssl |
| 22:41.23 | cmyers | but alas, apt doesn't seem to allow that =( |
| 22:41.51 | cmyers | I suppose I could create a tunnel to some other server of mine and try shoving it through that |
| 22:41.52 | jelly | cmyers: rm /var/lib/apt/lists/*_* /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/* and do an update again |
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| 22:42.10 | cmyers | jelly: I just did that as per the stackoverflow question I linked above |
| 22:42.27 | jelly | their rm deletes too much stuff |
| 22:42.32 | cmyers | ah, ok |
| 22:43.01 | jelly | try not to rm /var/lib/apt/lists/lock or the /var/lib/apt/lists/partial directory itself |
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| 22:43.21 | cmyers | ok, ran your command, still get the error |
| 22:43.35 | cmyers | it is, specifically: |
| 22:43.36 | cmyers | W: Failed to fetch xz:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_jessie_main_binary-i386_Packages Hash Sum mismatch |
| 22:43.52 | cmyers | currently using ftp.us.debian.org. |
| 22:44.45 | woodrainn | jelly, I have putty'd to the machine via IP taken off router. |
| 22:44.52 | woodrainn | won't allow me to login as root. |
| 22:45.28 | Brigo | woodrainn, then you finally have a keyboard! :D |
| 22:45.48 | woodrainn | Brigo, I am in ... now with a user account |
| 22:45.52 | woodrainn | damn! |
| 22:46.28 | Brigo | woodrainn, don't you have a root password? |
| 22:46.49 | jelly | woodrainn: use "su -" if you need a root shell |
| 22:47.15 | woodrainn | hmm. it won't let me read /var/log/dmesg using my user |
| 22:47.16 | woodrainn | account |
| 22:47.19 | jelly | or "sudo -i" if your user is a member of sudo group and sudo is installed |
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| 22:47.28 | jelly | woodrainn: /var/log/kern.log |
| 22:47.35 | jelly | woodrainn: or run the "dmesg" command |
| 22:48.14 | jessie-release-p | our release party in Zurich is over,we were about 50 people. Greeting to all debian people worldwide |
| 22:48.32 | warsh | jelly: is there any preference between 'su -' || 'sudo -i' |
| 22:48.33 | warsh | ? |
| 22:48.37 | woodrainn | okay, dmesg command is showing plugging and unplugging of keyboard! |
| 22:48.40 | jessie-release-p | shuting down now |
| 22:48.43 | syco_ | greetings to you guys |
| 22:48.55 | jessie-release-p | thanks |
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| 22:49.19 | woodrainn | jelly, "New USB device found ...." |
| 22:49.46 | woodrainn | HID keyboard. |
| 22:49.49 | jelly | warsh: the latter requires installed and correctly configured sudo, and user's password. The former is available even on a base system, and needs root's password |
| 22:50.07 | woodrainn | looks normal (?) but still no keyboard functioning. |
| 22:50.33 | jelly | woodrainn: do you have X installed and started? |
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| 22:50.52 | warsh | gotcha |
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| 22:51.07 | woodrainn | jelly, no, it's a text prompt on a black screen. |
| 22:51.28 | Brigo | woodrainn, cannot you become root? |
| 22:51.30 | woodrainn | <COMPUTERNAME> login: _ |
| 22:51.59 | woodrainn | Brigo, I am now root |
| 22:52.05 | woodrainn | via putty! |
| 22:52.17 | Brigo | woodrainn, ok. |
| 22:52.38 | Brigo | is your keyboard detected at boot? |
| 22:52.52 | woodrainn | would that be in dmesg? |
| 22:53.00 | Brigo | i think so. |
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| 22:53.49 | Brigo | but if you are root you can use journalctl -alb for full log from last boot and easely search. |
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| 23:04.25 | trilakin | ahh it's a wonderful day |
| 23:04.40 | Brigo | trilakin, i am going to sleep :D |
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| 23:06.08 | trilakin | good night Brigo |
| 23:06.25 | Brigo | trilakin, good day trilakin :D |
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| 23:16.49 | woodrainn | Brigo, my journal is 1500 lines. |
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| 23:17.08 | woodrainn | i did a journalctl -alb > file.txt |
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| 23:17.13 | Brigo | woodrainn, did you try a search? |
| 23:17.21 | woodrainn | now I'm trying to cp it to my windows machine to read it. |
| 23:17.29 | Brigo | woodrainn, ok |
| 23:17.41 | woodrainn | if I do cp file.txt c:\director\file.txt |
| 23:17.48 | woodrainn | it just copies it on the server. |
| 23:18.00 | woodrainn | how do I tell cp to put it remotely on my Windows machine? |
| 23:20.15 | srg | woodrainn: Well, where is the windows machine mounted on debian's filesystem? |
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| 23:20.55 | somiaj | woodrainn: if the windows drive is in the same system, you will have to mount the drive somehwere and copy it there. If it is a remote machine, you can transfer files with samba. |
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| 23:47.50 | ponyofdeath | is there a way to install tomcat without all the openjdk packages? since i already have oracle's java |
| 23:48.06 | somiaj | ponyofdeath: how did you install oracle's java? |
| 23:48.23 | ponyofdeath | just untar in /usr/local/java then update-alternatives |
| 23:48.40 | somiaj | ponyofdeath: two options. The first may not work, but i will suggest it anyways. |
| 23:49.10 | somiaj | ponyofdeath: 1) You should use java-package and build a custom .deb from oracles package, this way you can install it with dpkg and dpkg knows it exists (dpkg does not know /usr/local things exist) |
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| 23:49.28 | somiaj | ponyofdeath: now depending on the depends of tomcat this may not actually solve your issue, so I was just pointing that out. |
| 23:49.52 | ponyofdeath | somiaj: yeah dep's from the packages.debian.org need default-jre-healdess |
| 23:50.03 | somiaj | ponyofdeath: 2) Look at the package 'equivs' you can configure equivlant packages, so you can tell dpkg hey I really have this package installed locally, so ignore dependences on it. |
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| 23:50.28 | somiaj | ponyofdeath: My guess is if you used java-package and made a .deb from oracles java it would provide that default-jre-headless virtual pacakge and you would be fine. |
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| 23:50.37 | somiaj | ponyofdeath: but if you prefer to manage a local install equivs may be what youw ant. |
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| 23:53.34 | ponyofdeath | somiaj: thanks! |
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| 23:53.41 | ponyofdeath | somiaj: i will read up on that. |
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| 23:54.28 | somiaj | !java-package |
| 23:54.28 | dpkg | java-package (formerly mpkg-j2se, j2se-package) provides the make-jpkg utility for creating Debian packages from manually downloaded <Java> distributions; Oracle Java 6 (update >= 10) and Oracle Java 7 are currently supported. java-package is available for Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems in <contrib>. http://wiki.debian.org/JavaPackage . Where possible, use <OpenJDK> instead, ask me about <install java>. |
| 23:54.41 | somiaj | !equivs |
| 23:54.41 | dpkg | equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell <apt> you really have installed (through some other means) the package. aptitude install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, see also <usrlocal>. A better plan is often to adapt the Debian packages to your needs, ask me about <package recompile> <uupdate> <ssb>. |
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| 23:55.52 | somiaj | ponyofdeath: I suggest java-package and only use equivs if java-package doesn't seem to make a pakcage that tomcat can depend on. |
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| 23:57.11 | somiaj | I would also report a bug if java-package cannot make a package that apps like tomcat can depend on. |
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