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| 00:29.12 | tm512 | I just updated to jessie, now MATE can't shut down the system |
| 00:29.20 | tm512 | it just logs out back to slim |
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| 00:42.28 | shay_shay | tm512: you must not be using systemd |
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| 00:42.45 | tm512 | it's running systemd |
| 00:42.49 | shay_shay | hmm |
| 00:43.14 | tm512 | I let apt do what it wanted to |
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| 00:43.36 | shay_shay | i had that problem before when i was testing mate, it was something simple.... i thought it was because the packages were compiled for systemd support and i didnt have systemd running |
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| 00:43.48 | tm512 | broke several things, now the last thing I need to fix is this shutdown issue |
| 00:43.49 | shay_shay | but i guess i forgot what it really way |
| 00:43.55 | shay_shay | was* |
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| 00:53.07 | woodrainn | jelly, do you think the fact that I was plugged in to a KVM switch during install could have hosed my keyboard? |
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| 00:57.34 | ZenMaster | Hi guys. |
| 00:57.41 | ZenMaster | How does one disable SElinux on 7.8? |
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| 01:12.24 | syco_ | ZenMaster, *ahem* try RTFM |
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| 01:14.09 | themill | syco_: it's traditional to point out which FM to R |
| 01:14.11 | tm512 | heh. just the other day I had told someone that at least systemd hadn't given me any serious problems, now today it's trying to prove me wrong |
| 01:14.20 | ZenMaster | syco_: What does *ahem* mean? |
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| 01:15.52 | syco_ | themill, i guess there are docs explaining on how-to configure-buile a kernel ? |
| 01:16.04 | syco_ | s/on// |
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| 01:16.34 | syco_ | sorry, i' drunk |
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| 01:19.19 | beardy | ZenMaster: A noise of clearing ones throat. |
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| 01:21.06 | tm512 | fwiw, I fixed the issue by adding a new rule to polkit |
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| 01:24.13 | cami||e | Hi |
| 01:24.21 | shay_shay | tm512: well, was it because of systemd? is it possible its because of a config file from wheezy which didnt get updated? |
| 01:25.01 | tm512 | shrugs. had to create a new rule that let 'default' shut down the computer |
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| 01:25.37 | tm512 | now hopefully I can get away with not touching this computer much for another couple years |
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| 01:30.49 | dvs | !wwsr |
| 01:30.49 | dpkg | from memory, wwsr is #del# |
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| 01:36.37 | nmschulte | I need to recover some data from an HDD that windows is complain has issues (Win 8: You're computer is broken, dude. Fix me.). |
| 01:36.47 | nmschulte | Which Live disc do I want? |
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| 01:38.02 | d3fault_ | nmschulte, which desktop environment do you want? i prefer xfce myself. if you don't want a desktop environment, pick 'standard' |
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| 01:41.28 | nmschulte | d3fault_: I'm imagining Debian Live or derivative that is focused toward data recovery. |
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| 01:43.01 | mtcjayne | I believe I've made my system unbootable by changing it to a readonly root. The boot process console output stops after "Started LSB: NFS support files common to client and server." |
| 01:43.35 | mtcjayne | What do I do to troubleshoot this early in the boot? |
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| 01:44.11 | deego | mtcjayne: sorry to hear that. How did you do that? |
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| 01:44.54 | boboysdadda | has anyone seen a guide for installing 4.0 kernel with nvidia drivers? |
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| 01:46.28 | mtcjayne | deego: I replaced /etc/mtab with a symlink to /proc/mounts, changed my / mount in /etc/fstab to only one option "ro", and added tmpfs mounts for /media, /root, and /tmp |
| 01:46.45 | mtcjayne | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:47.03 | abrotman | boboysdadda: where did yo uget the 4.x kernel? and where did you get your nvidia drivers? |
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| 01:51.41 | mtcjayne | I do not have any NFS mounts in my fstab |
| 01:51.51 | mtcjayne | I see some bug reports and discussions regarding that with similar hangs |
| 01:52.01 | deego | mtcjayne: i see. why not boot using a debian live cd and change /etc/mtab? |
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| 01:52.14 | deego | err, change /etc/fstab .. back to normal? |
| 01:53.26 | d3fault_ | nmschulte, you just want to copy files off the drive and reinstall windows 8? every debian/derivative will let you mount ntfs drives with the ntfs-3g package |
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| 01:55.15 | mtcjayne | deego: I can, but I'd rather not. I'd have to go download one, and since I know I'm going to keep the mounts this way I'd rather know what happens around that time in the boot process first. |
| 01:55.24 | mtcjayne | To see if there's another potential problem. |
| 01:56.02 | deego | ah |
| 01:56.45 | mtcjayne | In recovery mode I see that the last message output is "floppy0: no floppy controllers found" |
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| 01:57.41 | nmschulte | d3fault_: idk what's in store. somehow windows 8 boots and runs, but it prompts the user with: hey, sh*t's wack. |
| 01:57.47 | nmschulte | apparently that's legitimate... |
| 01:57.54 | nmschulte | and so, I assume the drive has bad sectors |
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| 01:58.05 | nmschulte | or the SMART count has gone up |
| 01:58.13 | nmschulte | but worse case, I need to recover images from a corrupt |
| 01:58.14 | nmschulte | FS |
| 01:58.17 | kWO901 | at night should i shut down, suspend, or hibernate ? |
| 01:58.37 | nmschulte | kWO901: you have to answer that. |
| 01:58.49 | nmschulte | what makes the most sense to you? |
| 01:59.10 | nmschulte | some of those options have security implications and the like which may or may not matter to you |
| 01:59.25 | kWO901 | nmschulte: whats better for the hardware? |
| 01:59.39 | mtcjayne | I would personally shut it down (if I turned machines off at all.) Suspend and hibernate save power and may get a faster boot but meh. |
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| 01:59.56 | nmschulte | none of them affect the hardware |
| 02:00.00 | nmschulte | there is no "Better" |
| 02:00.22 | nmschulte | arguably, not being flipped on/off is "better", so totally off is probably best |
| 02:00.26 | nmschulte | but that point is soooo moot |
| 02:00.37 | nmschulte | flipped on/off, I mean the silicon |
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| 02:01.53 | nmschulte | the other nice thing about cold booting is it ensures clean state |
| 02:02.07 | nmschulte | so if there's a logic error in software, you may not see it |
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| 02:06.54 | debian1 | Hello |
| 02:07.04 | debian1 | How can i install the latest icecat? |
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| 02:09.12 | tortib | Hey everyone, I'm using gcsfs on debian 7 and the google cloud mounts properly, but for some reason it gives an input/output error when I try to do a directory listening or try to create a file or dir, copying a file also gives the same error. |
| 02:09.46 | tortib | s/listening/listing |
| 02:09.49 | mtcjayne | wonders why his Jessie torrent is only moving at 100KBps, then realizes he limited it to that "temporarily" ages ago. |
| 02:10.22 | mtcjayne | 45 minutes waiting for a download to finish that would have only taken about 15. |
| 02:10.25 | mtcjayne | Oops. |
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| 02:11.29 | codebam | how can I restart my minidlna server? |
| 02:11.57 | mtcjayne | I think I found my problem, possibly. |
| 02:12.38 | mtcjayne | There are more files that need to be addressed than I knew about. I think hwclock.sh is trying to write to /etc/adjtime. |
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| 02:14.28 | codebam | does minidlna not follow symlinks? |
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| 02:16.02 | codebam | okay... so I modified the conf to my mounted media drive. still doesnt work. |
| 02:16.37 | codebam | it does in fact have media on it. |
| 02:17.17 | codebam | I even restarted the server... |
| 02:19.26 | debian1 | Can anyone help me getting icecat on debian? |
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| 02:22.14 | mtcjayne | debian1: IceWeasel hasn't been called IceCat in a very long time. |
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| 02:23.03 | mtcjayne | Oh my mistake it is NOW called IceCat |
| 02:23.12 | dvs | ??? |
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| 02:23.29 | dvs | ,v icecat |
| 02:23.30 | debian1 | mtcjayne: Yes, how do i install it? I dont like the fact that iceweasel recommends non free softare |
| 02:23.31 | judd | No package named 'icecat' was found in amd64. |
| 02:23.53 | mtcjayne | Apparently Debian still calls it iceweasel. |
| 02:24.00 | mtcjayne | Recommends can be ignored. |
| 02:24.24 | mtcjayne | And I don't see any recommends anyway: https://packages.debian.org/jessie/iceweasel |
| 02:24.32 | debian1 | mtcjayne: is Icecat the updated version of iceweasel? |
| 02:24.45 | mtcjayne | https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/73748/are-icecat-and-iceweasel-different-projects |
| 02:24.56 | debian1 | Why cant i install it? I had it in trisquel (fully free distro) |
| 02:26.18 | debian1 | bash says: add-apt-repository: command not found |
| 02:26.21 | mtcjayne | You can install it. |
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| 02:26.58 | debian1 | mtcjayne: How? |
| 02:27.00 | codebam | anyone? |
| 02:27.08 | mtcjayne | But I would just install IceWeasel unless I found a reason to install IceCat. |
| 02:27.43 | debian1 | mtcjayne: I am a free software lover, i dont like it when a program recommends non free software |
| 02:27.49 | debian1 | mtcjayne: how would i do it? |
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| 02:28.24 | mtcjayne | First of all, IceWeasel does not recommend non-free software, second of all if that's your justification for not using a peice of software your worldview is broken. |
| 02:28.53 | mtcjayne | Recommends are not a sacrifice of principle |
| 02:29.13 | debian1 | https://libreplanet.org/wiki/List_of_software_that_does_not_respect_the_Free_System_Distribution_Guidelines |
| 02:29.14 | codebam | oh come on. you cant be telling me no one here has set up a dlna server before |
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| 02:29.26 | mtcjayne | The package neither inclues nor requires the installation of non-free software. |
| 02:29.31 | debian1 | mtcjayne: It does recommend nonfree software |
| 02:29.42 | abrotman | debian1: such as what? |
| 02:29.48 | debian1 | abrotman: flash |
| 02:29.49 | codebam | debian1: flashplayer? |
| 02:29.52 | codebam | yea |
| 02:29.52 | debian1 | yes |
| 02:29.53 | abrotman | debian1: no, it doesn't |
| 02:29.56 | mtcjayne | No, it does not. |
| 02:30.05 | abrotman | and there are free implementations of flash anyway |
| 02:30.09 | abrotman | judd: recommends iceweasel |
| 02:30.10 | judd | Package iceweasel in jessie/amd64 -- recommends: None. |
| 02:30.13 | mtcjayne | I would personally recommend it, grudgingly, but the package does not. |
| 02:30.14 | abrotman | that was easy |
| 02:30.36 | debian1 | abrotman: it does when im using youtube |
| 02:30.42 | codebam | I just use chromium with pepper-flash |
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| 02:30.49 | abrotman | debian1: so switch to the HTML5 vversion of youtube |
| 02:30.50 | kWO901 | the speakers of my laptop stopped working a few days ago. sound works fine with headphones. what could it be ? |
| 02:30.54 | debian1 | it didnt when i was using trisquel |
| 02:31.03 | codebam | is pepper-flash free? |
| 02:31.06 | mtcjayne | You can disable that feature, I believe. |
| 02:31.10 | debian1 | I think were going off topic here... How can i install icecat? |
| 02:31.13 | shay_shay | I keep my iceweasel clean and flash free, I put pepperflash in my chromium and I only use it when Firefox (without flash) won't work |
| 02:31.14 | mtcjayne | I would recommend doing so. |
| 02:31.26 | shay_shay | s/Firefox/iceweasel |
| 02:31.38 | abrotman | debian1: you'd ask them, it's not packaged in Debian. I'm sure they have installatoin instructions |
| 02:31.40 | codebam | firefox = iceweasel |
| 02:31.43 | mtcjayne | https://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/ |
| 02:31.47 | codebam | basically |
| 02:32.35 | shay_shay | codebam: I must have missed the part where someone asked what it was? or was that directed at me |
| 02:33.14 | kWO901 | the speakers of my laptop stopped working a few days ago. sound works fine with headphones. what could it be ? |
| 02:33.18 | debian1 | mtcjayne: so do i add ftp.gnu.org to my source.list and then i will be able to install it? |
| 02:33.30 | abrotman | debian1: no, I told you, ask them |
| 02:33.38 | abrotman | debian1: /join #icecat |
| 02:33.41 | codebam | shay_shay: well. idk you said s/Firefox/iceweasel. so I was just saying how theyre basically the same thing |
| 02:33.46 | shay_shay | I was correcting my own sentence with s/Firefox/iceweasel because I used two different names for the same thing in the same sentence on accident |
| 02:33.48 | mtcjayne | No. But if you're interested in installing third-party software I suggest you do some basic research and enjoy the journey. |
| 02:33.56 | codebam | shay_shay: yea ik |
| 02:34.20 | codebam | anyways |
| 02:34.23 | codebam | ./away |
| 02:34.31 | mtcjayne | The downloads on those FTP servers may be both source and binaries that can be run on your Debian system out of the box. |
| 02:34.34 | mtcjayne | I haven't checked. |
| 02:34.40 | abrotman | mtcjayne: let him go to #icecat, please |
| 02:35.04 | debian1 | abrotman: mtcjayne is helping... |
| 02:35.11 | abrotman | not here |
| 02:35.27 | mtcjayne | I've given you the information you need to accomplish your goal, along with abrotman's suggestion of #icecat |
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| 02:37.29 | debian1 | thanks |
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| 02:37.54 | debian1 | Dont understand why icecat isnt in the repositories though... |
| 02:38.46 | themill | debian1: you'd need to volunteer to do the work to maintain it (it's a lot of work) |
| 02:39.02 | abrotman | There's an RFP for it |
| 02:39.34 | debian1 | themill: Why not just use icecat instead of iceweasel as the default one? |
| 02:39.42 | abrotman | Why not just use iceweasel |
| 02:39.43 | mtcjayne | Is there any reason to? |
| 02:39.52 | mtcjayne | I think that's a more important question. |
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| 02:40.24 | debian1 | since it seems that only debian maintains iceweasel, while icecat is maintained by the fsf and used in other distros |
| 02:41.28 | abrotman | Debian maintains lots of software. Not really a reason to use icecat |
| 02:41.59 | debian1 | mtcjayne: We should promote free software (free software doesnt recommend nonfree software) |
| 02:42.07 | abrotman | Iceweasel is free software |
| 02:42.15 | abrotman | and oyu'r enot forced to install non-free software |
| 02:42.16 | mtcjayne | Again, IceWeasel does not recommend nonfree software. |
| 02:42.47 | mtcjayne | Any more than a web page saying it's best viewed at 640x480 resolution recommends time travel. |
| 02:43.09 | debian1 | abrotman: Actually that is the reason why icecat should be the default since debian can use its resources on other packages |
| 02:43.14 | mtcjayne | The software sees that you're trying to load a page containing content it cannot render and offers to search for the proper plugin to display it. |
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| 02:43.28 | abrotman | debian1: Okay, we'll wait for your package, until then, you can use Iceweasel. Have a nice day |
| 02:43.39 | debian1 | mtcjayne: Problem: Recommends non-free software.... why does ut say that? |
| 02:43.40 | mtcjayne | If there was a handler in that search service for the free software alternatives that'd be cool, but that's not the software's fault. |
| 02:44.03 | themill | debian1: debian does not recommend non-free software. Anywhere that claims that to be true is wrong. |
| 02:44.13 | mtcjayne | Because they're a bunch of fanatics that base their reasoning on a lack of accepting reality? |
| 02:44.13 | abrotman | Be solved if he'd just switch to the HTML5 youtube |
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| 02:45.00 | debian1 | themill: I think not many people know what free software means. |
| 02:45.07 | abrotman | Free or free? |
| 02:45.13 | abrotman | !win me |
| 02:45.13 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won a one way ticket to Beirut! |
| 02:45.29 | mtcjayne | Gratz |
| 02:45.39 | debian1 | It does recomend free software because its available in the repositories |
| 02:45.42 | themill | debian1: you might be right, but Debian certainly does. |
| 02:45.58 | debian1 | Its an OS that recommends free software. |
| 02:46.11 | themill | debian1: it is not. |
| 02:46.12 | abrotman | Glad we agree |
| 02:46.22 | themill | bah |
| 02:46.35 | abrotman | judd: recommends iceweasel |
| 02:46.36 | judd | Package iceweasel in jessie/amd64 -- recommends: None. |
| 02:46.38 | debian1 | Since debian is a widely used OS, it would be great to make it part of the Free distros. |
| 02:46.44 | mtcjayne | LOL |
| 02:46.47 | mtcjayne | LOLOLOL |
| 02:47.03 | themill | debian1: that's something for you to sort out with the FSF. Debian is already only giving you free software. |
| 02:47.05 | abrotman | debian1: it is a free distro. Flash isn't installed by default, thus free. There are Free implementations of Flash in 'main' |
| 02:47.08 | debian1 | http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html |
| 02:47.17 | abrotman | is pretty sure this is bordering on trolling |
| 02:47.19 | mtcjayne | Ok, just to be abundantly clear: to allegate that IceWeasel or Debian recommends nonfree software one must have evidence. |
| 02:47.21 | themill | debian1: I think you're looping now. Please stop. |
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| 02:47.43 | mtcjayne | None is to be had, so perhaps you should provide it (as I believe people would be interested in fixing it) or move on. |
| 02:48.07 | debian1 | mtcjayne: It does recommend nonfree software because it has nonfree repositories ready to be activated. |
| 02:48.15 | mtcjayne | No. |
| 02:48.36 | mtcjayne | It doesn't recommend nonfree software just because you can point apt clients to community run repositories that contain nonfree software. |
| 02:48.37 | themill | debian1: you can download non-free crap onto any distro. That doesn't make the distro non-free. |
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| 02:48.40 | mtcjayne | Apt is agnostic. |
| 02:48.44 | abrotman | And now we're full troll mode :) |
| 02:50.01 | mtcjayne | Now I understand the confusion that having official documentation on the nonfree repo can cause, and that it's hosted by Debian yada yada yada. But that doesn't impact the principles on which distro itself is made, or how sucessfully the distro reflects those principles. |
| 02:50.11 | mtcjayne | Oh. |
| 02:50.12 | mtcjayne | He left. |
| 02:50.17 | abrotman | no, he was banned |
| 02:50.25 | mtcjayne | I see. |
| 02:50.54 | mtcjayne | whistles as he walks away |
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| 02:53.00 | MjrTom | I have a hunch he believed what he was saying, and therefor was not trolling at all |
| 02:53.20 | mtcjayne | Yeah well some people... I'm just not generally supportive of the Free Software Fanatics. |
| 02:53.21 | abrotman | Even in the face of being proven wrong ... |
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| 02:54.09 | mtcjayne | abrotman: Oh he was never proven wrong. We were just too stupid to see that he was right all along. |
| 02:54.28 | mtcjayne | We'll realize this when we grow old, lying on our deathbeds we'll think "Wow, that guy was right!" |
| 02:54.37 | mtcjayne | And all will be well. |
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| 02:56.18 | Zerock | Why can't I view PDFs in Iceweasel? |
| 02:56.32 | MjrTom | I'm not at all supportive of free softwar fanatics either (being able to write good software is a very valuable skill, which implies good software is very valuable), but somebody saying something that one does not want to hear does not make them a troll, by far |
| 02:56.47 | beardy | Zerock: Because you don't have the necessary things installed providing a plugin to do so, guessingly. |
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| 02:56.59 | somiaj | Zerock: How are you trying to view the .pdf? Could you just have an older version of iceweasel before that support was added? |
| 02:57.15 | Zerock | somiaj: I'm on the latest in Sid. |
| 02:57.33 | beardy | Oh, there's native support? |
| 02:57.34 | ryouma | is supergrub 2 eisk any good for rescue type purposes? |
| 02:57.34 | somiaj | beardy: the main browsers by default include a pdf reader. It shoudln't need any plugin. |
| 02:57.37 | beardy | Well then. |
| 02:57.43 | ryouma | s/eisk/disk/ |
| 02:57.46 | woodrainn | how common is it to have no-key board |
| 02:57.49 | woodrainn | on a new build> |
| 02:57.50 | somiaj | Zerock: how are you trying to view a .pdf, clicking a link on a webpage? |
| 02:58.11 | somiaj | woodrainn: is there a debian support question in there somewhere? |
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| 02:58.33 | Zerock | somiaj: There's one embedded in a page, but it always used the default viewer as though I'd opened it on its own. |
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| 02:59.36 | woodrainn | somiaj, I have a new build of Jessie on a new HDD, ... keyboard works for grub, but not for user login. |
| 02:59.47 | woodrainn | I've tried getting ps2 keyboard ... no help |
| 02:59.51 | woodrainn | new bios |
| 03:00.01 | woodrainn | changing bios, etc. |
| 03:00.17 | somiaj | Zerock: it sounds like there is just some configuration issue and iceweasel is opting to open the pdf in some other application. |
| 03:00.22 | woodrainn | so somiaj the question is: is there a known bug with the keyboard? |
| 03:00.34 | woodrainn | in the newest stable debian? |
| 03:00.39 | somiaj | Zerock: not sure if this would work, but try to open a .pdf directaly with iceweasel, such as 'iceweasel /path/to/file.pdf' |
| 03:01.13 | Zerock | somiaj: It just downloads it. |
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| 03:02.01 | somiaj | woodrainn: Thank you for clarifying. Yes that is odd that the keyboard works in the bois then fails to work once the system is booted. Only thing I can think of is boot into a resuce mode and look at the logs, maybe you'll see some error that gives you a clue. |
| 03:02.23 | somiaj | Zerock: goto the webpage, about:// -- what exact version of iceweasel are you running? |
| 03:02.46 | Zerock | about:// is not valid. |
| 03:03.03 | Zerock | But version 31.6.0 |
| 03:03.16 | codebam | why does minidlna not work... ugh -_- |
| 03:03.17 | somiaj | Zerock: maybe it is just about, I'm using chromium so I didn't check iceweasel. |
| 03:03.22 | kvymx | clear |
| 03:03.47 | codebam | the config is working. cause changing the name of the server works. but apparently it cant see my media files |
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| 03:04.35 | somiaj | Zerock: well my iceweasel displays pdfs, I'm looking aroudn to see if I see any config option. |
| 03:05.21 | codebam | do I need to change the permissions on the files or something |
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| 03:05.45 | Zerock | somiaj: Fixed it. There's a setting in Applications. |
| 03:05.49 | Zerock | I had it set to Save File. |
| 03:05.52 | Zerock | Thanks for the help. |
| 03:05.53 | somiaj | Zerock: sounds like a config option. I was just going to start looking |
| 03:06.03 | somiaj | Zerock: oh good, then I won't look for it anymore. (: |
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| 03:06.29 | somiaj | codebam: have you checked the permisions of your media files? |
| 03:06.43 | codebam | somiaj: what permissions would I want to have on them? |
| 03:06.46 | somiaj | codebam: how about you give me the path where they are located, or run 'ls -ld /path/to/media/files' |
| 03:07.28 | codebam | right now they all have drwxrwxr-x |
| 03:07.30 | somiaj | codebam: I don't know minidlna at all. So it will depend on which user the process runs ass |
| 03:07.51 | somiaj | codebam: if they have r-x in the users position then I woudln't think it is a permissions issue but a config issue. |
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| 03:08.01 | somiaj | codebam: sorry the 'everyone' position. |
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| 03:08.21 | codebam | somiaj: well I have it set to / now and its like my media folders are invisible |
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| 03:08.41 | codebam | but it can see /bin /var /etc |
| 03:08.45 | codebam | ... |
| 03:09.05 | somiaj | codebam: give me the path of your media files if you don't mind. |
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| 03:09.32 | codebam | /media/sean/media/ (the drive label is media) |
| 03:09.55 | codebam | it cant see /media/sean at all |
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| 03:11.19 | somiaj | codebam: ls -ld /media /media/sean /media/sean/media (can you put the output of that at paste.debian.net) |
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| 03:13.05 | codebam | somiaj: http://paste.debian.net/170099/ |
| 03:13.26 | somiaj | codebam: look at line 2, that is the one stoping you |
| 03:13.55 | somiaj | codebam: you need th be able to 'execute' a directory to see in it, so you'll need to change the permissions of /media/sean (I also think it is strange they are root.root, but that is just me) |
| 03:14.18 | codebam | okay so change the permissions on /media/sean/ |
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| 03:14.26 | codebam | lets try |
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| 03:15.13 | converge | my debian package is broken, can anyone help me ? http://paste.debian.net/170098/ , I already tried dpkg --configure -a and apt-get install -f |
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| 03:16.18 | somiaj | converge: what is the output of 'which python' |
| 03:16.40 | codebam | somiaj: thanks so much :) seems to be working now |
| 03:16.45 | kvymx | converge: also try an apt-get update |
| 03:16.59 | kvymx | and then the apt-get install -f |
| 03:17.25 | somiaj | I wonder if he is defaulting to python3.4, and the scripts need to be run in python2.7 which I think should default run with 'python' |
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| 03:20.05 | somiaj | codebam: when checking permissions you need to check the whole chain to the directory of interest. (: |
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| 03:20.53 | converge | somiaj, /usr/bin/python |
| 03:21.10 | themill | what version of libpython3.4-minimal do you have installed? |
| 03:21.15 | converge | kvymx, I tried that |
| 03:21.24 | somiaj | converge: okay now ls -l /usr/bin/python |
| 03:21.26 | codebam | somiaj: yes, thank you :) I'll make sure to do that next time |
| 03:22.07 | converge | somiaj, its 2.7, should I use update-alternatives ? |
| 03:22.40 | somiaj | converge: no it should be 2.7, this just means my idea is not correct. I was wondering if for somereason it got changed to make 3.4 the default python version. |
| 03:22.54 | somiaj | converge: I'd listen to themill, double check what version of python you have installed. What version of debian are you running? |
| 03:23.22 | converge | somiaj, 8.0 |
| 03:24.16 | somiaj | converge: this is very strange. Any third party packages installed? |
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| 03:24.48 | converge | somiaj, no, its actualy a chroot |
| 03:24.53 | themill | converge: that's not jessie you're running, that's sid |
| 03:25.37 | converge | themill, sorry, youre right, got confused because its a chroot , my desktop is 8, the chroot is unstable |
| 03:25.38 | somiaj | converge: thanks for remiding me again, yea I fogot it is a chroot. And you are positive this is jessie (8.0)? |
| 03:25.50 | somiaj | converge: could be you found a bug, check the bts for the devscripts package. |
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| 03:26.29 | themill | it's more likely to be a python3 bug by the looks of it. There was a broken python2.7-minimal uploaded yesterday that looks similar |
| 03:26.33 | converge | i was trying to install devscripts |
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| 03:34.41 | anton02 | you guys looking forward to .NET Core for linux? can finally ditch emacs, eh? |
| 03:35.00 | imMute | what does .NET Core have to do with emacs? |
| 03:35.42 | anton02 | i should have said Visual Studio Code for lnux |
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| 03:36.17 | imMute | Visual Studio on Linux would be awesome, but that's not what was announced. |
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| 03:37.03 | anton02 | yeah it was |
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| 03:37.50 | anton02 | imMute, it says so here http://thenextweb.com/insider/2015/04/29/everything-microsoft-announced-at-its-build-developer-conference-day-1/ |
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| 03:39.41 | imMute | huh, surprised that wasn't more of a headline. either way, it's probably a stripped down VS. in either case, I hope they don't force us to use their buildsystem or compiler. |
| 03:40.25 | anton02 | it will be a headline, just hasn't hit the news yet |
| 03:42.27 | mtcjayne | Wait so I can open Visual Studio .sln files on Linux distros? |
| 03:42.33 | mtcjayne | wao |
| 03:44.28 | anton02 | i came here to make free software people upset |
| 03:45.15 | somiaj | anton02: so you came here to troll, do you need help changing the topic back to debian support? |
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| 03:50.06 | shay_shay | anton02: there isn't actually an editor war, its a pun on other things the community is split on. so you picked the wrong thing to troll about if you were trying to make people upset |
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| 03:54.11 | mtcjayne | Oh you can already open sln files with xbuild |
| 03:54.13 | mtcjayne | I wasn't aware. |
| 03:54.52 | somiaj | Lets try to keep this to debian support questions. |
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| 03:54.59 | mtcjayne | Not a question. |
| 03:56.21 | somiaj | mtcjayne: exactly, its off-topic |
| 03:56.42 | mtcjayne | Next time I state something incorrectly, I'll leave it uncorrected to humor you. |
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| 06:10.52 | superfast | What is the new Devuan Project? Why is everyone hating systemd so much |
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| 06:12.12 | y0wza | the devuan project is goin nowhere |
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| 06:12.42 | y0wza | there ya have it |
| 06:12.45 | N3X15 | that page design hurts my eyes |
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| 06:13.33 | superfast | ok, but what is their problem with systemd? |
| 06:14.25 | N3X15 | Adapting scripts is difficult for very large/complex deployments. |
| 06:14.32 | somiaj | superfast: we try to keep the ranting about systemd to a min here, basically there is a group who doesn't like some of the deisgn and integration philosophies of systemd and think there is a 'hostil takeover' |
| 06:15.04 | somiaj | superfast: in #debian the answer is, debian now provides more choice than ever, you can choose to use systemd or you can choose to use sysvinit (both supported -- you could choose to use one of the other init systems but they aren't supported as well) |
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| 06:21.20 | superfast | somiaj, ok problem, |
| 06:21.30 | superfast | no problem* |
| 06:21.35 | rootkea | I am using 2 USB sticks. One as debian 8.0 installation media and another to hold firmware .deb packages. |
| 06:21.39 | rootkea | But when I try to load the drivers in one of the installation steps it says: "Detected removable media that is not a known driver media. Please make sure that the correct media is inserted. You can still continue if you have an unofficial removable media you want to use. Unknown removable media. Try to load anyway? 1) No 2) Yes" |
| 06:21.41 | klys | so, can I run gnome with sysvinit? |
| 06:21.48 | klys | jessie |
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| 06:22.07 | superfast | klys, I am not sure |
| 06:22.27 | klys | %( |
| 06:22.41 | valdyn | klys: you tried? |
| 06:22.43 | somiaj | klys: yes but you may not have all features. Look at the systemd-shim package. |
| 06:22.50 | klys | thx all. |
| 06:23.06 | somiaj | rootkea: what install image do you have? |
| 06:23.07 | rootkea | Then I opted for Yes in above message. Then on next screen it said: "No kernel modules were found. This probably is due to a mismatch between the kernel used by this version of the installer and the kernel version available in the archive." |
| 06:23.17 | superfast | somiaj, what is your personal view on systemd? regardless of the design, is it bad for security |
| 06:23.43 | rootkea | somiaj, debian-8.0.0-amd64-DVD-1 |
| 06:23.51 | somiaj | superfast: My view is I did not notice the change and didn't even have to learn new commands to start/stop services. '/etc/init.d/service start' works in both systemd and syvinit. |
| 06:23.54 | valdyn | superfast: security? no one even had that argument yet |
| 06:23.55 | rootkea | iso |
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| 06:24.25 | somiaj | rootkea: My suggestion is just avoid the firmware now, complete your instalation (you don't need the internet to do that). Once you are installed you can copy the firmware to /lib/firmware and get your network up. |
| 06:24.35 | rootkea | The kernel module message continued with "If you're installing from a mirror, you can work around this problem by choosing to install a different version of debian. The install will probably *fail* to work if you continue without kernel modules Continue the install without loading the kernel modules? 1) No 2) Yes" |
| 06:24.58 | z8z | Where i can find a list of all new free drivers added in last version of debian? |
| 06:25.13 | rootkea | somiaj, ok. |
| 06:25.17 | somiaj | superfast: and the arguments are mostly about design philosophy, integration. I think when it comes to seciruty and stability that really isn't in question. |
| 06:26.06 | somiaj | superfast: because it has a lot more integration it could have security issues, but the linux kernel itself is always getting patched for security issues, so I don't see that as being a issue since any known exploit will be fixed. |
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| 06:26.31 | somiaj | z8z: no real list, but the drivers are attached to the linux kernel. Debian uses 3.16 so if you follow the kernel versions you can see what free drivers are in that kernel. |
| 06:26.32 | valdyn | superfast: when you have a large (commercial) deployment, then changing something like systemd can be *very* expensive |
| 06:26.46 | N3X15 | guys |
| 06:26.51 | N3X15 | This is a support channel. |
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| 06:27.40 | valdyn | z8z: theres probably no list |
| 06:27.42 | superfast | somiaj, ok thanks |
| 06:27.47 | somiaj | z8z: note that debian will sometimes backport drivers to 3.16 kernel, and when they do this in a point release it is documented in the point release docs. But I don't think there is any list for the full kernel drivers added between 3.2 and 3.16 |
| 06:27.49 | superfast | valdyn, I get it |
| 06:27.54 | maziar | i want that a user can upload every thing to /var/www/ whitout " sudo" command ,, how can i give him this access ? |
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| 06:28.27 | somiaj | maziar: do you want one user to do this or multiple users to do this? |
| 06:28.36 | somiaj | maziar: for one user, just let him own www, no real issue there. |
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| 06:28.49 | maziar | somiaj, one user |
| 06:29.00 | maziar | maybe later i add new user |
| 06:29.06 | somiaj | maziar: for multiple users use 664 and 775 permisions, set up a group permisions and a default umaks for new files |
| 06:29.17 | valdyn | !acl |
| 06:29.17 | N3X15 | and jails. |
| 06:29.17 | dpkg | acl is probably Access Control List. http://acl.bestbits.at/ http://www.informatik.uni-bremen.de/agbs/live/acl_eng.html http://www.suse.de/~agruen/acl/linux-acls/online/ |
| 06:29.23 | z8z | thanks everyone for the info... i'll check kernel updates then |
| 06:29.28 | somiaj | maziar: easiest way, chown -R username.www-data /var/www/ |
| 06:29.39 | valdyn | maziar: what dpkg said is the general solution, but its also hard to maintain |
| 06:30.05 | somiaj | maziar: easiest way, chown -R username.root /var/www/ (again group may not be important unless you want to create a webadmin group with correct permisions) |
| 06:30.13 | maziar | somiaj, my www , owner is www-data , anad user with name "john" is in www-data gorup |
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| 06:31.16 | valdyn | maziar: www-data is the user apache2 runs as |
| 06:31.28 | somiaj | maziar: giving ownership to john of /var/www won't have any drastic issues. By default your web server only needs read access not write. Now if you have webpages that can upload files you may need write access for the user www-data for some specific directories |
| 06:31.33 | valdyn | maziar: thats generally the *least* secure method |
| 06:32.08 | N3X15 | Always consider your users to be hostile. |
| 06:32.37 | somiaj | maziar: and sorry, I thought there was a www-data group, but anyways there are varous ways to allow your user to write to /var/www -- depending onyour needs there are various ways to configure it. |
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| 06:33.39 | maziar | somiaj, i want user "john" can upload file to /var/www |
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| 06:34.14 | somiaj | maziar: I gave you the easiset method (some say it might not be that secure) but foa single user (you) how also has sudo privlages, this really isn't a new secirty hole. |
| 06:34.27 | superfast | somiaj, so are you with systemd or against? |
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| 06:35.12 | fireba11 | 2 debian installations updated, 7 more to go :-D |
| 06:35.17 | somiaj | superfast: I'm nutral. But as a desktop user who uses a minimilist wm, I prefer less process and less integration (I dont' even care for policy-kit or all the fancy features desktops create to esiclate user privlages) |
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| 06:36.03 | superfast | somiaj, Ok, I am so confused now |
| 06:36.07 | superfast | whether to use it or not |
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| 06:36.31 | klys | if you want gtksudo then use it |
| 06:36.32 | shay_shay | use it, its excellent. |
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| 06:37.45 | superfast | shayx2 are you talking to me? |
| 06:37.54 | shay_shay | yeh |
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| 06:38.26 | somiaj | superfast: if you don't have an opion I'd go with it. If you are looking for an opinion, well the internet is full of them. |
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| 06:38.44 | superfast | ok |
| 06:38.48 | somiaj | superfast: i.e. on debian jessie you will have to do less work to accept systemd as the default and just use it. |
| 06:39.14 | superfast | I would just use it since most of them are using it |
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| 06:39.28 | superfast | Debian is rock-solid = Views of Internet, most of them. |
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| 06:39.41 | somiaj | superfast: if you are using a desktop like gnome then this is more reason to use systemd (unsure how much other desktops are going to take advantage of the systemd features) |
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| 06:41.04 | superfast | somiaj, ok, so gnome uses all the features offered by systemd? |
| 06:41.09 | superfast | that is nice |
| 06:41.39 | superfast | somiaj, I have noticed something, that Debian's kernel is good with Intel Graphics performance even with main repo if you compare it to Linux-libre |
| 06:41.44 | superfast | Why is that so? |
| 06:41.50 | somiaj | superfast: further you may loose features if you don't use systemd with gnome (thoughd debian tries to make this possible, I'm unsure what will happen if you use systemd-shim + sysvinit + gnome) |
| 06:41.52 | superfast | is it patched too well? |
| 06:42.35 | somiaj | superfast: I would think linux-libre also includes the intel drivers since they are open source (provided by intel) |
| 06:42.49 | somiaj | superfast: coudl jsut be kernel version, xorg version, combination more so than anything else |
| 06:42.52 | superfast | somiaj, but the performance is better than Debian? |
| 06:42.56 | superfast | oh |
| 06:43.04 | superfast | better on Debian* |
| 06:43.19 | superfast | ya I am using a deblobbed Ubuntu 14.04 LTS |
| 06:43.27 | superfast | which has older packages than jessie |
| 06:43.36 | somiaj | deblobbed ubuntu just sounds bad. |
| 06:43.46 | shay_shay | trisquel? |
| 06:44.03 | superfast | ya |
| 06:44.03 | somiaj | I would guess it is less the libre kernel, but trying to take all the blogs out of ubuntu could have issues. BEst to start with a blob free os in the first palce. |
| 06:44.05 | superfast | Trisquel 7 |
| 06:44.20 | somiaj | but yea older packages and older kernel moduels could effect preformance. |
| 06:45.07 | klys | affect* |
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| 06:46.07 | shay_shay | somebody call the grammar police |
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| 06:46.46 | somiaj | I'm sure they have a large file on me. |
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| 06:48.40 | shay_shay | superfast: do you use coreboot? |
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| 06:48.52 | superfast | somiaj, shay_shay just last question NOT regarding real debian issue, should a layman be worried about what's non-free and not when it comes to linux packages? |
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| 06:49.01 | superfast | shay_shay, no regular bios |
| 06:49.09 | shay_shay | superfast: whats the point of using a fully freee os if your bios isnt free |
| 06:49.26 | cmyers | argh, my install is kinda F'd. I did a dist-upgrade from early jessie to present-day sid and all my python3 packages are broken forever. I have multiple python3 packages in a broke-as-shit state that will not --purge even with --force-all. |
| 06:49.29 | somiaj | superfast: Personal choice. debian gives you the freedom to install what you want on your computer. Use that choice responsability. |
| 06:49.44 | cmyers | how do I, bit by bit, seriously like, manually remove these packages so dpkg thinks they are gone? |
| 06:49.54 | superfast | shay_shay, some security is better than none, I use FDE too |
| 06:50.14 | shay_shay | i recommend visiting some richard stallman lectures on youtube. take them with a grain of salt obviously, hes a genius and also a nutcase |
| 06:50.20 | somiaj | superfast: I can't tell you if or if not you should use non-free packages. I would always suggest using free packages, but there are lots of reason one may run into that need non-free software (such as a webpage I work on requires flash so I'm stuck with using non-free flashf or work) |
| 06:50.34 | cmyers | also, python packages whose pre- and post- rm scripts depend upon python - is evil. |
| 06:50.57 | superfast | shay_shay, what is that suppose to mean? |
| 06:51.05 | superfast | genius and nutcase? |
| 06:51.21 | cmyers | ^ those things come together more frequently than most people imagine. |
| 06:51.40 | superfast | somiaj, ah, I understand, but my use case don't require any of the non-free packages, its just regular home/office computing, emails/web/videos/printing/scanning |
| 06:51.41 | somiaj | cmyers: do you really want to recover this broken install. Sometimes it is better just to backup data, and reinstall fresh now that jessie is released. |
| 06:51.42 | shay_shay | superfast: well often extremely smart people are quite eccentric |
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| 06:51.59 | shay_shay | richard stallman is a prime example |
| 06:52.00 | cmyers | somiaj: excellent question. let me see... |
| 06:52.08 | superfast | shay_shay, heh, ok, so you are not in favor of Fully Free if you cannot have fun with it as of now? |
| 06:52.20 | cmyers | home directory is not a separate partition. yes, I want to recover it =*( |
| 06:52.36 | somiaj | cmyers: well can't you just rsycne /home to a backup location? |
| 06:52.40 | shay_shay | superfast: i never said that, i never said anything but watch some of his lecutes. hes the one who wrote the GPL |
| 06:52.43 | klys | cmyers, ar xvf python3.deb; tar zxpvf control.tar.gz; ls debian/; emacs -nw /var/lib/dpkg/status; (visit debian/control); (the problem should become apparent) |
| 06:52.45 | cmyers | ehhhh....well..... |
| 06:52.49 | shay_shay | and started FSF and GNU |
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| 06:53.00 | somiaj | cmyers: again frakendebian installs (sounds like what you have with a mix of jessie and broek python packages from sid) can be a lot of work to track down the issues. |
| 06:53.08 | somiaj | cmyers: and most won't take the time to support that. |
| 06:53.23 | superfast | shay_shay, I know about it, that is why I am using Trisquel, but good gnome integration and updated packages also fully free kernel of Debian Main, makes me wana use it |
| 06:53.36 | cmyers | somiaj and klys: excellent - those are the two pieces of info I needed to consider |
| 06:53.39 | superfast | shay_shay, I am not going ot use contrib or non-free with debian |
| 06:53.41 | superfast | :P |
| 06:53.49 | cmyers | I guess I probably will just blow it away, but I'll take a poke first. |
| 06:53.53 | superfast | the spirit continues just that we get nice DE and updated packages |
| 06:53.54 | shay_shay | superfast: debian doesnt install non-free packages by default to my knowledge |
| 06:54.05 | superfast | shay_shay, did I dispute? |
| 06:54.13 | superfast | Debian Main is fully free |
| 06:54.27 | superfast | including the kernel |
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| 06:55.02 | superfast | my take on Jessie, is nice slick DE with updated kernel and packages with good support and rock-solid reviews from the web |
| 06:55.02 | cmyers | heh, my broke package (well, one of them) has Status: |
| 06:55.04 | cmyers | Status: purge ok half-configured |
| 06:55.09 | superfast | lol |
| 06:55.14 | cmyers | purge ok and half-configured? seems...bad =) |
| 06:55.48 | cmyers | yeah, ok, no more frankendebian. rsync times =/ |
| 06:56.12 | cmyers | good time to rebuild this linode anyways I guess |
| 06:56.18 | somiaj | superfast: This is one of the reasons I like debian, is it gives you a lot of choice. YOu can choose to run completely free software, but you can choose to install some non-free software if you want to. |
| 06:56.33 | cmyers | ^ +1, have to agree there |
| 06:56.34 | shay_shay | superfast: I agree. i've been using it since jessie D-i rc1 and it still chugging along without problems. |
| 06:56.52 | cmyers | ubuntu works really hard to make grandma-safe "just works" linux, but they often compromise "freeness" to get it |
| 06:57.01 | somiaj | superfast: of course you always have this choice, debian just has it set up so it is clear what you are doing. |
| 06:57.03 | cmyers | debian is the best you can get without freeness compromises IMO |
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| 06:57.45 | cmyers | the other day I had stock debian cups auto-detect my printers without me asking and I was like "omg, it's the future!" |
| 06:57.55 | cmyers | it still "just works" when possible. |
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| 06:58.18 | shay_shay | cups is pretty decent these days |
| 06:58.34 | cmyers | yeah, I think mac using it has been great for it |
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| 06:58.36 | superfast | shay_shay, I use hplip and cups both |
| 06:58.50 | superfast | somiaj, I am starting to understand the idea of Debian now |
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| 06:59.51 | superfast | even FSF's recognize the fully free Debian Main repo, their problems are extreme philosophy, which may or may not work in the real world. Debian give you both options |
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| 07:01.27 | DarsVaeda | hey I get a warning for low space on /home that is said to have 800MB free but looking in gparted it says 3GB unused? It is a ssd, what could be the matter? |
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| 07:02.45 | shay_shay | superfast: i like that debian tries to make everything make sense for a user, not making the user do extra work for no reason, yet doesnt have excess hand-holding which is anoys me about ubuntu/suse/mandriva etc. but its not over simplified e.g. slackware. its "just right" |
| 07:04.21 | cmyers | DarsVaeda: by default most linux-y filesystems reserve some space for root user only, so the system will still function if things are filled up |
| 07:04.27 | cmyers | that could be the difference you are seeing |
| 07:04.41 | anddam | cmyers: how does a filesystem reserve space? |
| 07:05.02 | kresp0 | shay_shay: It would be nice if during the installation it asks the package survey question before. |
| 07:05.06 | cmyers | they only allow the root user to write the last X% |
| 07:05.13 | cmyers | so a non-root user can't fill it up |
| 07:05.20 | anddam | cmyers:how's that feature called? |
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| 07:05.46 | cmyers | not sure, but for ext3/4 you can tweak it with the fs management tools |
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| 07:05.50 | anddam | I didn't know such a thing existed, neat |
| 07:05.51 | cmyers | I think just "reserved space" |
| 07:05.53 | kaushal | Hi |
| 07:06.26 | cmyers | `run mkfs.ext3 --help` and see the argument "reserved-blocks-percentage" |
| 07:06.36 | shay_shay | kresp0: the package is called "popularity-contest" and it can be removed or installed at any time |
| 07:06.37 | anddam | I will thanks |
| 07:06.53 | kresp0 | I mean during the initial installation |
| 07:06.57 | kaushal | As per http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.0.0/amd64/iso-dvd/ there are 3 ISO images, I am not sure what does DVD-2.iso and DVD-3.iso contain? |
| 07:07.05 | somiaj | look at tune2fs to change the reseved block percentage of a current file system |
| 07:07.14 | anddam | kaushal: additional packages, likely |
| 07:07.14 | kaushal | Do i need to download all the three DVD ISO images? |
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| 07:07.19 | cmyers | yeah! tune2fs, that was the one I was trying to remember |
| 07:07.26 | anddam | kaushal: only the first is usually needed |
| 07:07.36 | somiaj | kaushal: no |
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| 07:07.39 | anddam | kaushal: also you don't even need a DVD and can do with a CD or even smaller image |
| 07:07.48 | kresp0 | shay_shay: it asks the question(s) in the middle of the instalation, when all the questions may be made at the begining (like ubuntu does) |
| 07:07.51 | somiaj | kaushal: you can get away with the 300meg(ish) net install image and install everything else from the net |
| 07:08.00 | somiaj | kaushal: find what fits your needs best. |
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| 07:08.17 | kaushal | Are there any descriptions or readme about the contents of all the 3 ISO images? |
| 07:08.25 | shay_shay | kresp0: yeah that anoys me sometimes, you cant just set it and walk away |
| 07:08.51 | kresp0 | ok, I'm not alone then :) |
| 07:09.00 | somiaj | kaushal: I think you can get package lists. Most people will not need more than the first iso if they want most common software on local medium |
| 07:09.09 | kaushal | somiaj: ok |
| 07:09.36 | somiaj | kaushal: do you want to have a copy of all the packages on a dvd in your physical position. |
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| 07:09.54 | kaushal | somiaj: nope |
| 07:09.57 | somiaj | kaushal: Or do you have a decent internet connenction and will be isntalling most software from the internet anywas? |
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| 07:10.12 | kaushal | somiaj: i have a decent internet connections |
| 07:10.41 | shay_shay | kresp0: there are solutions for unattended installs (preseed files), but it's not worth it for most people who dont do mass deployments. you'll lose all the time you saved while learning how to properly config the preseed file |
| 07:10.50 | somiaj | kaushal: well the netinstall image (maybe get the unoffical one with non-free firmware if you have a network card that needs it) will save downloading a very large image |
| 07:11.14 | kaushal | ok |
| 07:11.31 | shay_shay | kresp0: https://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/example-preseed.txt |
| 07:11.55 | somiaj | kaushal: so my suggestion is if you don't want to actually have a copy of the packages in your position and are fine with downloading everythign except the base system packages from the internet, grab the netinstall |
| 07:12.00 | somiaj | !firmware images |
| 07:12.00 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
| 07:12.25 | somiaj | kaushal: see the above link from dpkg if you need non-free firwmare for your network card (most wifi cards need it, only a few wired need it) |
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| 07:16.42 | kaushal | somiaj: Thanks |
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| 07:48.09 | tdn | When I install Debian, I am asked about Software Selection. In that screen, I can select: Debian desktop environment, web server, print server, ssh server, and "standard system utilities". Where can I see what this Standard System Utilities installs if I check it? |
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| 07:48.52 | thyphus_ | tdn: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=289318 |
| 07:49.10 | sysmonk | Howdy. Question re jessie/systemd and init scripts - i've just upgraded one server to jessie, but init for memcached looks broken |
| 07:49.41 | sysmonk | the sysvinit had an option to start multiple instanced of memcached based on configs in /etc/memcached_*.conf, the new one seems to ignore that and only uses one instance |
| 07:50.21 | sysmonk | am i missing some option for that, or the functionality is broken ? |
| 07:50.36 | tdn | thyphus_, thanks. I will just do without that then :) |
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| 07:53.06 | babilen | tdn: I would actually strongly suggest to install those packages, but it is naturally up to you. Which packages out of the ones that belong to the standard task don't you want? |
| 07:54.21 | babilen | (if anything make sure you install ncurses-term!) |
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| 07:54.57 | tdn | babilen, exim (I use postfix), nfs-common/portmap (I need to set a different uid/gid for statd user, etc before installing that), |
| 07:56.37 | babilen | yeah, postfix (or a nullmailer) is one of the first things I install too |
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| 07:57.08 | tdn | babilen, I guess I will probably install most of these packages anyway. I guess it would be nice if there were an easy way of getting a list of packages that each choice would install. |
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| 08:01.36 | babilen | tdn: "aptitude search ~pstandard" |
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| 08:05.43 | tdn | babilen, yeah, I mean from the installer help menu or something like that. |
| 08:05.52 | tdn | babilen, that is when the user needs this info. |
| 08:05.59 | tdn | So she can make an informed choice. |
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| 08:09.58 | somiaj | tdn: you will have to look at the actual 'tasks', you could of course skip tasksel, get into your base system. And then install the packages you need and not use the predfined tasks. |
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| 08:10.30 | somiaj | tdn: but yes, it would be nice if that list were available during the install (not sure if you could open up another terminal and get it) |
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| 08:12.37 | tdn | somiaj, I think there needs to be something more human friendly than having to open up a terminal and knowing what to type in. E.g. a Help menu explaining the effect of the choice. I would gladly contribute with this change if I knew how. |
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| 08:32.31 | neal | According to https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch05s03.html.en, this should be autodetected, but it doesn't say what the default speed is. I've tried some different values I'm not having much luck. Does anyone know of any more information about installing via the serial console? |
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| 08:37.43 | tdn | somiaj, also, I just checked: there is no aptitude available at the console at install time. |
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| 08:39.18 | somiaj | tdn: by the time you get to tasksel, your isntall is in /target and you can chroot into it and I belive the sources have already been updated and the local cache is there. But yea it would be a nice feature to add to the installer. You could do a wishlist bug against debian-installer I would think (not sure what the best approach to request a feature in the next release woudl be) |
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| 08:40.35 | Rory | Hello. This morning my laptop boots to a black screen again. There are errors in xorg log along the lines of no screen found. |
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| 08:41.00 | Rory | It worked up until I shut it down at the end of the day yesterday |
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| 08:43.52 | Rory | http://imgur.com/7LTFFdh |
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| 08:46.17 | Rory | Kernel log says nvidia GPU "fell off the bus" |
| 08:46.32 | Rory | Not sure if that's some euphemism |
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| 08:46.59 | Rory | Or a metaphor for nvidia in general |
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| 09:07.57 | fireba11 | lol |
| 09:08.20 | hid3 | Hello. Anyone know a good how-to on setting up a fallback kernel with grub2? |
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| 09:09.34 | Rory | God damn it won't even get past bios now. If nvidia has somehow bricked my hardware I'm going to be so cross |
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| 09:17.13 | fireba11 | hid3: may i investigate as to the cause of that question? i usually just keep the old kernel there if i update so i can fall back to that |
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| 09:18.34 | jelly | sees a stinkpad |
| 09:18.46 | svetlana | ? |
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| 09:24.31 | berarma | hid3, you can install more than one kernel version and it automatically should appear in the grub menu |
| 09:26.43 | berarma | Rory, most probable cause is your graphics card AGP connection failing, I would remove it and clean the pins and motherboard connector |
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| 09:29.38 | berarma | Rory, I said AGP but actually it's whatever bus connection you have |
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| 09:30.53 | c-- | is it possible to confirm a menu shown by apt-get upgrade without access to the terminal in which apt-get is running? |
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| 09:33.07 | berarma | c--, you could stop the running apt-get command and restart it on your current terminal |
| 09:34.32 | c-- | by sending SIGTERM? |
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| 09:35.58 | hid3 | fireba11: yes, that's what I'm trying to do. But I think there is a way to tell GRUB2 try to boot the 1st kernel, and if it fails (kernel panic), then it tries the known-good one |
| 09:36.07 | hid3 | without having to access the console physically |
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| 09:37.36 | c-- | berarma: couldnt that break something if i interrupt apt-get? |
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| 09:38.08 | c-- | it would be great if i could for example send SIGURS1 and apt-get would then just confirm the menu/dialog and continue updating |
| 09:38.26 | BadCodSmell | Someone set source.list to stable instead of the actual debian version |
| 09:38.41 | BadCodSmell | I set it back but even after apt-update apt is still trying to install new packages/wrong version |
| 09:39.13 | BadCodSmell | I get warnings about perl and locales as well as missing public keys |
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| 09:40.06 | bezaban | did you update? |
| 09:40.12 | BadCodSmell | Yes |
| 09:40.33 | BadCodSmell | https://www.thomas-krenn.com/en/wiki/Perl_warning_Setting_locale_failed_in_Debian |
| 09:40.36 | BadCodSmell | I receive this error |
| 09:40.47 | BadCodSmell | and W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs: |
| 09:41.26 | BadCodSmell | oh fuck |
| 09:41.34 | BadCodSmell | Someone already upgraded and installed the new packages |
| 09:42.24 | berarma | c--, I haven't had never a problem with that. |
| 09:42.42 | bezaban | BadCodSmell: then the best course of action would likely be to go fully to jessie |
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| 09:45.35 | BadCodSmell | bezaban nonsense |
| 09:45.43 | BadCodSmell | For thousands of machines in production |
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| 09:46.10 | BadCodSmell | IS there a way to list recently updated packages? |
| 09:46.12 | svetlana | revert to the latest backup |
| 09:46.21 | svetlana | yes, /var/log/apt/history.log |
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| 09:46.30 | BadCodSmell | That's a possibility :D, means sending someone out on a long trek though |
| 09:46.34 | BadCodSmell | Thanks :) |
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| 09:46.45 | lophos | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:09.15 | nander | Hi |
| 10:09.25 | nander | I upgraded my server to debian 8 |
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| 10:09.33 | nander | Now it says: welcome to emergency mode |
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| 10:10.14 | Rory | I just reinstalled my operating system because my monitor was turned off |
| 10:10.16 | Rory | don't be me |
| 10:10.23 | lophos | nander, a friend of me had the same problem |
| 10:10.36 | nander | Timed out waiting for dev-mapper-zut\x2ddata.device |
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| 10:11.05 | c-- | can i send an enter key to the whiptail process which is showing the apt-get dialog? |
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| 10:11.29 | nander | Job dev-mapper-zut\x2ddata.device/start timed out |
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| 10:12.43 | SynrGy | perhaps this is #758808 |
| 10:12.48 | nander | It seems it breaks my lvm |
| 10:12.53 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/758808 in systemd (open): «systemd: timed out waiting for lvm devices»; severity: normal; opened: 2014-08-21; last modified: 2015-04-27. |
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| 10:13.28 | nander | How is the severity normal? |
| 10:13.50 | SynrGy | ,v systemd |
| 10:13.51 | judd | Package: systemd on amd64 -- wheezy: 44-11+deb7u4; wheezy-security: 44-11+deb7u4; wheezy-backports: 204-14~bpo70+1; stretch: 215-17; sid: 215-17; jessie: 215-17; experimental: 219-8 |
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| 10:14.11 | SynrGy | don't know. also, the report is for an earlier version so it may not be the same bug |
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| 10:14.36 | nander | I have two disks running partially raid1, partially LVM |
| 10:14.38 | SynrGy | i presume because of the low incidence of reports, it is not any higher (i.e. not yet confirmed as a bug; could be a local configuration issue) |
| 10:14.58 | SynrGy | my experience is that systemd can expose such configuration problems as wrong UUID in /etc/fstab, etc. |
| 10:15.00 | nander | Well, it worked before upgrading and doesn't after |
| 10:15.08 | SynrGy | whereas sysvinit was perfectly happy with such garbage |
| 10:15.19 | SynrGy | so not a bug |
| 10:15.39 | SynrGy | i don't know in the case of lvm (as i'm not an lvm user) if similar config breakage is possible |
| 10:15.41 | nander | In my opinion it should have checked for such cases before trying to reboot |
| 10:16.02 | nander | Because I (as a user) am not aware of my current state of setup |
| 10:16.12 | nander | I barely know what a wrong UUID is |
| 10:16.27 | SynrGy | maintainer scripts can't check for every possible way in which you broke your own configuration. i'm not saying you *did* break your own configuration. just postulating why this is not higher priority |
| 10:17.13 | SynrGy | i'm assuming you are one of a very few experiencing the issue, and hence it was not elevated in priority |
| 10:17.14 | nander | Can someone point me to steps to fix it? |
| 10:17.25 | nander | Or at least steps to know what's wrong? |
| 10:17.35 | SynrGy | yeah. someone who knows lvm (not me, unfortunately) |
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| 10:18.59 | SynrGy | nander: are you using encryption? |
| 10:19.07 | SynrGy | also there is #768577 |
| 10:19.08 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/768577 in systemd (fixed, upstream, fixed-upstream): «systemd-cryptsetup handles keyfile differently from cryptsetup on plain mode»; severity: important; opened: 2014-11-08; last modified: 2015-02-13. |
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| 10:19.22 | nander | I don't use encryption |
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| 10:19.35 | lophos | this should not happen at stable |
| 10:19.39 | nander | It fails on my bulk data partition |
| 10:19.48 | nander | Which is a LVM on two disks |
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| 10:19.58 | nander | 2TB on one disk, 2 TB on the second disk |
| 10:20.04 | nander | 1 TB on each disk is also in raid |
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| 10:21.19 | SynrGy | lophos: stable doesn't mean bug-free. stable is release-critical bug-free |
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| 10:21.37 | SynrGy | look up the definition of 'important' |
| 10:21.58 | SynrGy | nander: i agree 'normal' is not appropriate for that first bug, btw. should be 'important'. but that's still not RC |
| 10:22.05 | lophos | I mean that the quality of stable has dropped... I'm a long time debian user |
| 10:22.06 | SynrGy | it fits the criteria for important |
| 10:22.27 | lophos | a friend of mine also got that "Welcome to maintenance mode" when upgrading |
| 10:22.28 | SynrGy | some hard-to-reproduce corner cases *cannot* be solved by release time without help from users to chase them down |
| 10:22.33 | SynrGy | as they don't exist on the developers' systems |
| 10:22.37 | SynrGy | what can they do about that? |
| 10:22.59 | SynrGy | also, as i said, it has not been proven in the first case whether it's a config issue or a bug. |
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| 10:23.13 | SynrGy | in the second bug, at least the problem was identified and fixed in a later systemd release |
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| 10:23.18 | SynrGy | (unfortunately, not in time for jessie) |
| 10:23.20 | nander | Should I pastebin my fstab? |
| 10:23.35 | SynrGy | yes, please |
| 10:23.50 | SynrGy | (and i'd really appreciate some other helpers looking, if you know lvm!) |
| 10:23.55 | nander | How do I move the file from my server to my desktop? Apache also doesn't start |
| 10:23.59 | nander | That was the next thing on the line |
| 10:24.07 | nander | However, I have some www data on the partition that doesn't start |
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| 10:24.41 | SynrGy | can you scp? |
| 10:24.53 | nander | My other PC runs windows |
| 10:24.55 | nander | Sorry |
| 10:24.57 | SynrGy | failing that, copy it to a USB |
| 10:25.06 | nander | I was planning to install debian on it, but... No time for it yet |
| 10:25.08 | SynrGy | a bit inconvenient, but does the job |
| 10:25.10 | SynrGy | yeah |
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| 10:26.05 | SynrGy | nander: and as an absolute last resort, snap a photo and post online somewhere |
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| 10:28.45 | Epakai | nander: was your kernel updated during the upgrade? (have you done a dist-upgrade or just a safe-upgrade?) |
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| 10:28.56 | SynrGy | good point. |
| 10:28.58 | nander | dist-upgrade |
| 10:29.05 | nander | I didn't know safe-upgrade exists... |
| 10:29.12 | SynrGy | no. dist-upgrade is correct |
| 10:29.15 | SynrGy | some people forget |
| 10:29.26 | nander | I was happy that I remembered not to do a normal upgrade |
| 10:29.32 | nander | I'm really a leasury debian user |
| 10:29.46 | nander | That's what I love about debian |
| 10:29.56 | nander | The 'it just works' state of your computer |
| 10:30.07 | nander | It's sad how many flavours of linux just break themselves |
| 10:30.13 | SynrGy | and you're certain there were no errors during the upgrade before you rebooted. |
| 10:30.24 | nander | It only bitched about apache2 |
| 10:30.26 | Epakai | just seeing whether a new initrd would have been generated |
| 10:30.30 | nander | Which I thought was perfectly normal |
| 10:30.31 | SynrGy | nander: 'bitched about' how? |
| 10:30.39 | SynrGy | warned you that you need to restart? |
| 10:30.41 | nander | The config broke during upgrade |
| 10:30.54 | nander | I don't think anything warned me to do that |
| 10:31.07 | nander | But I did it because years of windows usage conditioned me into restarting after upgrade |
| 10:31.09 | SynrGy | depending on the error during upgrade, it could prevent the rest of the upgrade finishing |
| 10:31.14 | nander | And I thought: that way I see the issues |
| 10:31.23 | SynrGy | that could leave your system in an unbootable state |
| 10:31.32 | nander | It fails upon mounting a partition |
| 10:31.39 | nander | Which fails the entire boot sequence |
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| 10:32.01 | SynrGy | what i would do now is boot from rescue media, chroot into the system and investigate |
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| 10:32.17 | SynrGy | one thing to try is another "apt-get dist-upgrade" and see if it has remaining upgrades to finish |
| 10:32.24 | nander | I have a shell |
| 10:32.46 | nander | Bingo, dpkg was interrupted appearanly |
| 10:33.16 | SynrGy | right. don't be quick to reboot after upgrades that fail. lesson learned :) |
| 10:33.31 | nander | The last bit of it stated completed |
| 10:33.33 | SynrGy | address the issue that caused the failure, continue the upgrade where it left off. |
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| 10:33.52 | nander | dbus.service failed |
| 10:34.04 | SynrGy | well, this could be due to the interrupted boot |
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| 10:34.35 | SynrGy | if you encounter errors during upgrade, you can dpkg --configure --pending |
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| 10:34.56 | nander | It seems it wants to restart dbus, which it can't because it doesn't run yet?? |
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| 10:35.02 | SynrGy | then you can retry the upgrade, and if the *only* package failing is some package you know won't influence booting, you may reboot |
| 10:35.05 | SynrGy | right |
| 10:35.11 | SynrGy | it assumes it's up |
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| 10:35.37 | nander | That's annoying |
| 10:36.44 | nander | http://www.pasteall.org/58130 |
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| 10:37.55 | nander | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:40.15 | deepy | How do I begin to troubleshoot passwordless ssh? I've done ssh-keygen, ssh-add and ssh-copy-id to the remote server, yet I'm being asked for password |
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| 10:41.38 | bezaban | ssh -vvv |
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| 10:41.52 | bezaban | and auth/daemon log on remote host |
| 10:41.53 | ChrisH | deepy: a) run ssh -v b) check /var/log/ on remote server c) if both do not help, come back with ssh -v output on paste.debian.net |
| 10:41.59 | SynrGy | maybe dev-mapper names that partition differently? |
| 10:42.01 | deepy | That is verbose |
| 10:42.11 | SynrGy | i'm not sure where the names come from |
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| 10:42.31 | Thasan | hmm... I have wierd problem with apache2-suexec-custom: /etc/apache2/suexec/www-data is default, no SuexecUserGroup defined, file owner/group is git:git and file is outside of suexec docroot. it still runs |
| 10:42.49 | nander | It seems it now hangs on setting up php5-fpm |
| 10:42.50 | jelly | deepy: also check permissions on / /home $HOME $HOME/.ssh $HOME/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 10:43.55 | deepy | https://dpaste.de/6CmS/raw |
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| 10:46.19 | SynrGy | nander: what was the last message before the hang? |
| 10:46.27 | SynrGy | oh, "setting up" |
| 10:46.27 | ChrisH | deepy: to me the beginning looks like the keys locally are missing. |
| 10:46.39 | deepy | ChrisH: the keys are there, I can view them fine with cat |
| 10:46.44 | SynrGy | nander: um, you could put set -x in /var/lib/dpkg/info/php5-fpm |
| 10:46.55 | SynrGy | nander: um, you could put set -x in /var/lib/dpkg/info/php5-fpm.postinst |
| 10:46.57 | SynrGy | sorry |
| 10:47.21 | SynrGy | and then try reconfiguring with dpkg --configure --pending |
| 10:47.36 | SynrGy | (that's assuming you can just abort this with ^C or so, first) |
| 10:47.47 | deepy | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:47.48 | deepy | -----BEGIN RSA PRIVATE KEY----- |
| 10:47.58 | deepy | ssh should be able to read it if I can, right? |
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| 10:49.40 | iateadonut | not to alarm anyone, but "apt-get moo" |
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| 10:50.18 | Thasan | deepy: that key is wrong format |
| 10:50.41 | ChrisH | deepy: it complains about the public part... show us ls -lad ~/.ssh/ ~/.ssh/* from both sides in one paste. |
| 10:51.14 | Thasan | oh, nvm, it was id_rsa |
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| 10:51.25 | nander | something really strange is happening now |
| 10:51.35 | ChrisH | Thasan: format should be ok |
| 10:51.36 | Thasan | public part suposed to start something like ssh-rsa AAAAB3NzaC1yc... |
| 10:51.37 | nander | If I do dpkg --configure --pending |
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| 10:51.44 | nander | I get a lot of lines with plusses before them |
| 10:51.52 | SynrGy | nander: that's set -x doing its job |
| 10:51.58 | SynrGy | this is to see exactly where it hangs |
| 10:51.58 | nander | Oh, now it moves on |
| 10:52.05 | nander | It was stuck for 2 minutes or so |
| 10:52.09 | nander | Not accepting input |
| 10:52.14 | SynrGy | aha. so not "forever". just a really long time :) |
| 10:52.16 | Thasan | ChrisH: yea my mistake, I thoug it was authorized file |
| 10:52.21 | nander | libreoffice-base-core has dependencyproblems |
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| 10:52.51 | nander | SynrGy, last time was > 5 minutes, so forever |
| 10:52.55 | nander | This time it was quicker |
| 10:52.56 | deepy | ChrisH: https://dpaste.de/wJGr |
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| 10:53.44 | deepy | authorized_keys is identical to my id_rsa.pub |
| 10:53.44 | antranigv | i wonder how can I set timeout=0 in grub config? |
| 10:54.34 | SynrGy | nander: can't say if that's due to being dumped into emergency shell or not :/ |
| 10:54.44 | SynrGy | not sure what the postinst does or what it's waiting for |
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| 10:55.12 | nander | It's now 'replacing config file /etc/default/nfs-kernel-server with new version' |
| 10:55.43 | SynrGy | just wait it out. if this all finishes cleanly, follow it up with another 'apt-get dist-upgrade' |
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| 10:55.45 | ChrisH | deepy: run chmod 644 /home/develop/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 10:55.55 | SynrGy | then see if it has anything remaining to upgrade before rebooting |
| 10:56.30 | deepy | ChrisH: still the same |
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| 10:57.41 | nander | It's warning about being blocked for more than 120 seconds |
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| 10:58.04 | deepy | Looking at strace I see that it opens id_rsa 4 times, reads from it, then goes on to try id_rsa-cert, then dsa, ecdsa etc |
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| 10:58.46 | SynrGy | nander: that's a kernel message, maybe taking roll-call of block devices, which are currently screwed due to your dev-mapper issue? dunno |
| 10:59.05 | SynrGy | safe to ignore for now, i guess. just means things will take a lot longer :( |
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| 10:59.52 | SynrGy | nander: i have to focus on work. rather than a play-by-play of messages as it upgrades, just report when it finishes, either successfully or not. |
| 11:00.01 | SynrGy | will check back later |
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| 11:00.25 | nander | thanks |
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| 11:11.47 | nander | Should I see a LVM in lsblk? |
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| 11:14.14 | kwl | hi |
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| 11:15.50 | nander | Tempfix: disabling my LVM alltogether |
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| 11:18.01 | nander | The good news, my apache works again, my samba works |
| 11:18.09 | nander | Now the update looks very good |
| 11:18.12 | Andril | :) |
| 11:18.23 | nander | I just need to setup my LVM again |
| 11:18.31 | nander | I just remembered I had no important data on it anyway |
| 11:18.39 | nander | I put everything on my important partition so far |
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| 11:18.48 | nander | The Idea was to use it for things like movies etc. |
| 11:18.55 | nander | Data which I don't care about losing |
| 11:19.04 | nander | But I care about pretty much all my data ;) |
| 11:19.16 | nander | Music is a fuzz to find and tag again |
| 11:19.21 | nander | So it's important |
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| 11:21.07 | Andril | ex falso |
| 11:21.27 | Iridos | what's the bad news |
| 11:21.34 | Andril | :( |
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| 11:22.15 | SynrGy | nander: ah, good |
| 11:22.30 | nander | I feel really stupid for not thinking about that beforehand |
| 11:22.34 | SynrGy | nander: sorry i couldn't help with the lvm stuff |
| 11:22.42 | nander | Fixing my problem depth-first rather than breadth first |
| 11:22.44 | SynrGy | glad you got it sorted |
| 11:22.48 | SynrGy | yeah |
| 11:22.52 | nander | You did fix the second problem |
| 11:22.59 | nander | (partial install) |
| 11:23.02 | SynrGy | nods |
| 11:23.15 | nander | So you fixed my server ;). I'm really happy about that |
| 11:23.33 | SynrGy | as i said initially, any problems with your configuration of disks sysvinit would sail through without a hitch, whereas systemd waits |
| 11:23.35 | nander | This also means I can use my quassel again. My IRC also ran from my server ;) |
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| 11:23.49 | SynrGy | so i think the lvm issue with the data partition probably falls into that class |
| 11:24.01 | nander | It's probably a strange setup thing in my case |
| 11:24.09 | SynrGy | yep. well, departing on my commute to the office soon. later |
| 11:24.11 | nander | And LVM's are quite rare |
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| 11:24.20 | SynrGy | well, not so rare anymore |
| 11:24.27 | nander | And always a personally catered solution |
| 11:24.34 | nander | hacked together by the user |
| 11:24.47 | nander | From whichever blogpost he managed to find |
| 11:24.50 | SynrGy | heh |
| 11:24.58 | SynrGy | well, the installation guide has some instructions. |
| 11:25.13 | SynrGy | i think at least if users set up their LVM according to that, releases should upgrade cleanly. |
| 11:25.14 | nander | Yeah, but the options in the debian setup are endless |
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| 11:25.27 | SynrGy | what happened here? who knows. |
| 11:25.29 | nander | I made it in the debian installer |
| 11:25.32 | SynrGy | hmm |
| 11:25.39 | nander | I think it's because a part of it is raid and a part is lvm |
| 11:25.43 | nander | That's really strange |
| 11:25.46 | SynrGy | well, i just don't have enough background in it. |
| 11:26.12 | SynrGy | if you're going to just start fresh i guess we lose a bug reporting opportunity |
| 11:26.23 | nander | I still have my fstab |
| 11:26.24 | SynrGy | but sounds like it might not be worth the effort in your case |
| 11:26.26 | nander | But first I ll update |
| 11:26.31 | fireba11 | i'm thinking about using LVM for new installations so i can take snapshots and roll back upgrades if necessary. anyone got experience with that or komments if that is a good idea? |
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| 11:26.39 | nander | If you want to I can debug some more |
| 11:26.39 | SynrGy | i gotta scram. later |
| 11:26.44 | nander | bye |
| 11:27.01 | SynrGy | nander: well, not with me, anyway. should be guided by someone here with actual lvm expertise :) |
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| 11:28.58 | Guest67101 | Hi! |
| 11:29.05 | ChrisH | deepy: then next step is check /var/log/auth.log from your ssh -v you can see, your client offers a key. debug1: Offering RSA public key: /home/deepy/.ssh/id_rsa |
| 11:29.34 | Jonuz | I did normal update and upgrade with apt and I'm getting this error, any ideas what is wrong, im using jessie |
| 11:29.35 | deepy | hmm, remote machine does not have auth.log |
| 11:29.36 | Jonuz | http://paste.debian.net/170166/ |
| 11:29.38 | ChrisH | deepy: compare chksum /home/deepy/.ssh/id_rsa.pub with /home/develop/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 11:30.10 | deepy | md5sum is same |
| 11:30.25 | marianna | Hi! I have R 3.2 version from the repositories |
| 11:30.33 | ChrisH | deepy: what server/OS is the remote side? |
| 11:30.41 | marianna | today I installed the 2.15 version from the source code |
| 11:30.56 | deepy | centos |
| 11:31.21 | marianna | both were coexisting fine until I typed 'make install' from the root folder of the 2.15 version |
| 11:31.33 | deepy | bad ownership or modes for directory /home/develop, meh |
| 11:31.40 | marianna | this has overwrited the 3.2 binary |
| 11:32.02 | marianna | I have reinstalled the 3.2 via apt-get install --reinstall |
| 11:32.05 | marianna | but is not working |
| 11:32.07 | marianna | any ideas? |
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| 11:33.39 | deepy | almost silly how easy that was, not sure why ssh cares about the home folder, shouldn't it only worry about .ssh? |
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| 11:34.08 | ChrisH | deepy: then check /var/log/secure (took a while to find a centos box to check) |
| 11:34.30 | deepy | ChrisH: aye, I found it, it was complaining about the permissions on the home folder |
| 11:34.39 | ChrisH | deepy: just saw it... there is a strict mode option in sshd_config to allow that |
| 11:36.26 | deepy | Well, I can probably live with this limitation |
| 11:36.34 | deepy | Thanks for the help :-) |
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| 11:44.11 | piorekf | does anybody know why pacemaker is missing in jessie repo? |
| 11:45.06 | vegardx | piorekf: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=768618 |
| 11:45.07 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/768618 in src:pacemaker (open, jessie, sid, stretch): «pacemaker: FTBFS in jessie: build-dependency not installable: libqb-dev (>= 0.16.0.real)»; severity: serious; opened: 2014-11-08; last modified: 2015-04-28. |
| 11:45.21 | vegardx | Sooo, that was a pretty critical find. :p |
| 11:45.48 | tuxcrafter | quick question i am udating to the new stable and my apache websites stoped working |
| 11:46.04 | piorekf | thanks |
| 11:46.04 | tuxcrafter | apache2ctl -S used to show the active vhost |
| 11:46.12 | tuxcrafter | but i cant find the replacement command |
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| 11:48.39 | vegardx | Active vhosts? I bet that just listed what was in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/. |
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| 11:49.40 | tuxcrafter | The Include directives ignore files with names that do not end with a |
| 11:49.40 | tuxcrafter | .conf suffix. This behavior has changed from previous releases! |
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| 11:54.18 | Andril_Cloned | what's the difference with HURD |
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| 11:59.54 | redstonecraftpl | Help! On boot i have Error: no conf file found. No default or ui directive found |
| 12:00.04 | redstonecraftpl | What i can do? |
| 12:00.17 | redstonecraftpl | screen asks for boot |
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| 12:05.18 | redstonecraftpl | Nevermind, that was mine usb stick |
| 12:05.25 | ChrisH | redstonecraftpl: What Debian Version? What did you do before you rebooted? |
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| 12:06.02 | redstonecraftpl | Usb with unetbootin that i inserted booted automatically ;pp |
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| 12:06.48 | ChrisH | redstonecraftpl: unetbootin and debian is kown to make trouble. so use cp/dd as release notes say to install debian. |
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| 12:07.11 | DarsVaeda | I want to add a second video device, I find tutorials that propose to add them to xorg.conf, is this the same on jessie? cause I don't have that file |
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| 12:07.21 | DarsVaeda | but I have a xorg.conf.d |
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| 12:08.05 | redstonecraftpl | Know, but i am having an usb stick with data and unetbootin. I wanted to normally boot debian from hd and boom, mine comp booted flash drive |
| 12:08.07 | ChrisH | DarsVaeda: What do you mean with "second video device"? a second monitor or a second graphics card or xxx? |
| 12:08.22 | DarsVaeda | a second graphics card |
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| 12:08.53 | DarsVaeda | I want to use 3 monitors and my main card just supports two monitors |
| 12:09.15 | ChrisH | DarsVaeda: My approach was: add the card + monitor and boot the box. configure the setup from inside KDE.... |
| 12:09.17 | redstonecraftpl | Xxx? ;p |
| 12:10.01 | DarsVaeda | I use gnome, the card is visible in lspci but in the gnome tools I find no setup possibility |
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| 12:12.58 | ChrisH | DarsVaeda: Thats beyond my scope, but I suggest to paste the Xorg log on paste.debian.net |
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| 12:18.58 | DarsVaeda | http://paste.debian.net/170184/ |
| 12:19.11 | DarsVaeda | it says no driver selected, guess that is the problem |
| 12:20.28 | DarsVaeda | oh wait that is another device |
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| 12:29.26 | DarsVaeda | as far as I see it everything in the log says it should work |
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| 12:33.17 | withnale_ | Hello |
| 12:34.27 | withnale_ | Is there a way to do the equivalent of 'dpkg -i' (or an alternative command) but not install the local file if it's the same version as what's already installed? |
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| 12:36.34 | themill | withnale_: it's a four-line shell script to write such a wrapper yourself, assuming that version strings don't get re-used for different packages. |
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| 12:37.38 | withnale_ | themill: How do I get the version of a debfile without installing? |
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| 12:40.10 | themill | withnale_: dpkg-deb -f foo.deb Version |
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| 12:56.48 | jack_thompson | php5-fpm stopped working since the update to debian8 |
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| 12:57.06 | jack_thompson | nginx still works... but php5-fpm doesn't anymore.. |
| 12:57.16 | jack_thompson | it runs... but it doesn't do anything... |
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| 12:57.43 | DarsVaeda | I added a new harddisk, created a new partition on that and mounted this as /homeExtended but my user has no access |
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| 12:58.38 | abrotman | DarsVaeda: how would you like your user to use it? |
| 12:58.46 | DarsVaeda | all access |
| 12:58.59 | abrotman | there's nothing on it .. |
| 12:59.08 | DarsVaeda | I can mkdir |
| 12:59.16 | DarsVaeda | there is only lost+found on it |
| 12:59.16 | abrotman | as root, or user? |
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| 12:59.39 | DarsVaeda | root can write, user not |
| 13:00.00 | SuperTramp83 | I installed Debian 8 Xfce. Everything's great. I have one tiny issue. I like the shimmer's Greybird theme so I installed it and applied the theme but it is not system wide. Many applications (like VLC and minitube for instance) look ugly. This worked great with Wheezy :( |
| 13:00.09 | abrotman | Right, so if you want your user to be able to read/write, create a directory, and use chown to give ownership to your user |
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| 13:00.37 | DarsVaeda | oh okay so I NEED at least a folder? |
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| 13:01.31 | DarsVaeda | it seems so, thanks :) |
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| 13:10.05 | jack_thompson | 14:56 < jack_thompson> php5-fpm stopped working since the update to debian8 |
| 13:10.07 | jack_thompson | 14:57 < jack_thompson> nginx still works... but php5-fpm doesn't anymore.. |
| 13:10.10 | jack_thompson | 14:57 < jack_thompson> it runs... but it doesn't do anything... |
| 13:10.26 | jack_thompson | am i the only one with that problem so far? |
| 13:10.36 | jack_thompson | can i have at least an answer to that? |
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| 13:11.22 | themill | You'd need to provide more info than that to have any hope of an answer |
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| 13:12.51 | WormFood | Is there another tool, that operates like axel, but doesn't suck? |
| 13:12.59 | jack_thompson | themill, well... updated... i start nginx... it works fine with static html... i start php5-fpm.. but all php pages turn out blank and the log files says nothing... |
| 13:13.29 | jack_thompson | it is like it doesn't work at all... |
| 13:14.01 | jack_thompson | themill, you can answer me if i am the first person here that has this problem since the debian 8 release? |
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| 13:14.30 | themill | jack_thompson: I've not seen this from others |
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| 13:15.06 | jack_thompson | okay.. so my install is fucked up and nobody will be able to help me... that is just as good as an answer... |
| 13:15.06 | esters | hi, could anyone help on how to resize a ext4 partition. the disk is in two parts, one 465gb ext4 partition and one 256mb swap partition. I deleted the swap partition with cfdisk. but upon trying to do "resize2fs /dev/sda1" it gives an error message that the filesystem is already 4k blocks long. |
| 13:15.09 | jack_thompson | thanks |
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| 13:16.21 | themill | or you could leave before we can even look at it... |
| 13:16.53 | kvymx | wow.... priceless |
| 13:17.54 | WormFood | bwhahaha...too funny |
| 13:18.34 | kvymx | will be funny if it does a rebuild and has the same issue.. hehe |
| 13:18.48 | WormFood | But will he come her for help? |
| 13:18.56 | WormFood | here* |
| 13:19.04 | kvymx | lets hope not |
| 13:19.17 | WormFood | It could be just as entertaining |
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| 13:19.35 | WormFood | maybe it could be more entertaining, if he mentions this incident as well ;) |
| 13:19.49 | kvymx | true.. maybe we could just suggest he install gentoo.. that should keep him busy for what... 14 days? |
| 13:19.57 | shay_shay | English must not be his first language |
| 13:19.59 | kvymx | and provide some light entertainment |
| 13:20.07 | WormFood | well, in his case, I think it might be longer. |
| 13:20.19 | shay_shay | and he's freaking out so it makes him sound worse than he is |
| 13:20.19 | kvymx | fair point. |
| 13:20.24 | pfote | you guys are mean :-D |
| 13:20.34 | WormFood | pfote, explain, please? |
| 13:20.54 | WormFood | oh....wait...is that sarcasm? |
| 13:21.10 | pfote | guess ;-) |
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| 13:21.45 | WormFood | sorry, sometimes my sarcas-o-meter doesn't work right. |
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| 13:26.38 | WormFood | Can anyone suggest/recommend a utility/tool, that operates like axel? |
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| 13:29.08 | abrotman | WormFood: which does .. what? |
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| 13:29.29 | WormFood | it's a download accelerator, that downloads a file in multiple pieces. |
| 13:29.36 | kvymx | wget.. rsync although that's not http/s |
| 13:29.46 | WormFood | Which is what I need, to download at a reasonable speed, during the day (at night, it's great) |
| 13:29.53 | abrotman | judd: versions axel |
| 13:29.54 | judd | Package: axel on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.4-1; stretch: 2.4-1; wheezy: 2.4-1; sid: 2.4-1; jessie: 2.4-1; experimental: 2.4-1.1 |
| 13:30.01 | WormFood | rsync and wget are both painfully slow |
| 13:30.38 | kvymx | obvious question, whats wrong with axel? |
| 13:31.03 | WormFood | if I have enough videos, I'll use wget in parallel, to download a lot of files, at the same time, but if I have only one or a few files to download, axel is much, much, much faster. (like 10 to 1000 times faster (I'm not exaggerating)) |
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| 13:31.22 | WormFood | axel corrupts my files |
| 13:31.46 | WormFood | After I download with axel, I have to come in behind it, with rsync (slow, like I said), to fill in the corrupted pieces. |
| 13:32.11 | kvymx | odd. |
| 13:32.19 | WormFood | And axel doesn't give me any indication, that it didn't work right....it doesn't seem to corrupt small files, but big files, it almost always corrupts. |
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| 13:34.15 | kvymx | hrmm |
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| 13:34.33 | kvymx | maybe aria2? |
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| 13:35.31 | WormFood | That is what I'm looking into now. I was checking out the web page. |
| 13:35.34 | kvymx | or actually what was that ohter thing.. um.. htt something |
| 13:36.08 | kvymx | yeah the website copier. httrack. |
| 13:36.22 | kvymx | I recall it had about a million options for threading and file pulls |
| 13:37.06 | WormFood | never heard of it....let me check it out |
| 13:37.20 | kvymx | yeah its designed for downloading a mirror of a website |
| 13:37.28 | kvymx | for example mirroring a site to disk |
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| 13:37.39 | kvymx | I believe it can take direct paths |
| 13:38.01 | kvymx | and can do multiple thread file downloads, or multiple concurent file downloads |
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| 13:38.17 | amo-ej1 | does anybody know where i can find the credentials used to log in to the debian-live-8.0.0*standard iso image ? |
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| 13:38.21 | WormFood | that sounds good |
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| 13:39.57 | WormFood | both aria2 and HTTrack sound like they could be good. Thanks for the suggestion on HTTrack kvymx |
| 13:40.03 | jelly | amo-ej1: manual says user/live |
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| 13:40.50 | jelly | http://live.debian.net/manual/stable/html/live-manual/customizing-run-time-behaviours.en.html#503 |
| 13:40.59 | kvymx | WormFood: no worries. Hope it helps HTTrack I've used a few times.. I quick github search also found this cool cat https://github.com/rockdaboot/mget might be worht a play if your feeling game :) |
| 13:41.17 | KaaK | I'm writing a udev rule to match a USB device with 4 virtual serial adapaters. I just want to have a single event that notifies a script of the serial number for the device when it is plugged |
| 13:41.24 | amo-ej1 | jelly thanks, they hid that really well |
| 13:41.25 | KaaK | but it gets run about 10 times ... |
| 13:41.51 | WormFood | I got plenty of bandwidth to waste...I'm game for trying almost anything....also, for the record...I'm in China...which may have something to do with my corrupted downloads. |
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| 13:42.20 | kvymx | ooh i c |
| 13:42.23 | KaaK | I believe it is because my ATTRS matching are also matching the attributes for parent devices (which it is for all the devices) |
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| 13:42.41 | kvymx | https for the win maybe? might prevent the curruption |
| 13:42.44 | kvymx | best of luck! :) |
| 13:42.47 | KaaK | is there any way to prevent a udev rule from matching ATTRS on parent devices? |
| 13:42.56 | WormFood | if it will do recursive downloads, and do it in pieces, and resume files I started with wget, then I'd be real happy |
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| 13:43.31 | WormFood | kvymx, I kind of enjoy playing this game...I'm just tired of them blocking my server's IP |
| 13:44.34 | kvymx | haha bet you spend a lot of time connecting to stuff via tor |
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| 13:45.10 | teraflop | WormFood: i use plowshare |
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| 13:45.41 | Night_Elf | Hi all. I wonder, is there a package named 'xcp-xapi' in D8 jessie ? |
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| 13:47.54 | WormFood | teraflop, that is a new one to me. I'll check it out. Why do you like it? |
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| 13:48.56 | teraflop | WormFood: support a lot of sites, it has plugins, it's cli checks the integrity and so on ... |
| 13:49.04 | teraflop | Night_Elf: not in jessie |
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| 13:49.54 | Night_Elf | teraflop: I see. So what is then needed to get a Xen host system on top of D8 ? |
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| 13:50.16 | Night_Elf | teraflop: most of what I find online is for D6 and D8 |
| 13:50.23 | teraflop | Night_Elf: no idea, i just said it's not in stable |
| 13:50.24 | Night_Elf | D7* |
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| 13:51.23 | WormFood | teraflop, that isn't isn't exactly what I'm looking for...however I might sometimes have use of it, so thanks for alerting me to it. I'll check it out in more detail. |
| 13:52.08 | teraflop | WormFood: oh then I misunderstood your question, anyway it's a good tool imo |
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| 13:52.31 | WormFood | It sounds good...of course, so does axel, which I'm trying to replace. |
| 13:54.06 | WormFood | http://code.google.com/p/plowshare/ does this link work for you guys? It gives me a 403. |
| 13:54.18 | shay_shay | let's not call Jessie "D8" it reads like "date" |
| 13:54.31 | WormFood | I read it, as "Drupal 8" |
| 13:54.36 | amo-ej1 | WormFood, 403 |
| 13:54.41 | shay_shay | then people say d8 mate I see date mate |
| 13:54.48 | teraflop | WormFood: i believe they moved to other repo since google code is about to die |
| 13:55.12 | WormFood | leading google links, took me there. |
| 13:55.48 | WormFood | https://github.com/mcrapet/plowshare seems to be it now |
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| 13:56.08 | teraflop | WormFood: yep |
| 13:56.28 | WormFood | and it's written in bash script? |
| 13:56.30 | WormFood | wow |
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| 13:57.39 | teraflop | and has an api ;) |
| 13:58.31 | WormFood | I was just checking out the API |
| 13:59.25 | WormFood | I wrote a program, to download videos from lynda.com...in bash script....it also converts their transcripts to subtitles....all using bash shell....probably not the best language for that task. |
| 13:59.51 | scoofy | bash is turing-complete. so you can write any program in it |
| 14:00.01 | teraflop | WormFood: since it's intended for dealing with a bunch of download sites an api sounds very convnient for writing modules |
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| 14:00.20 | WormFood | teraflop, agreed. |
| 14:00.30 | WormFood | any program? |
| 14:00.37 | WormFood | such as an operating system kernel? |
| 14:01.06 | scoofy | well, theroretically you could do it. i would just be a crappy OS. |
| 14:01.08 | WormFood | I'd like to see a hypervisor (like xen), written in bash shell script :P |
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| 14:01.46 | Eduard_Munteanu | Is it possible to build a single binary package out of multiple in the same source package? |
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| 14:02.24 | WormFood | out of multiple whats? |
| 14:02.44 | Eduard_Munteanu | WormFood, multiple binary packages, as declared in debian/control |
| 14:03.03 | WormFood | you want to build a binary package out of a binary package? |
| 14:03.28 | Eduard_Munteanu | WormFood, multiple binary packages have the same source package, I want to build one of those binary packages alone |
| 14:03.29 | WormFood | You want to merger multiple binary packages into one package? |
| 14:03.47 | Eduard_Munteanu | No. |
| 14:04.01 | themill | Eduard_Munteanu: the binary packages are seldom independent of each other. Splitting up the packages happens after the compilation is done |
| 14:04.24 | WormFood | I don't understand what exactly you want to do. |
| 14:04.49 | Eduard_Munteanu | themill, hm, if I can convince the build system to build just those files, can I ask debuild to wrap things up for me? |
| 14:05.10 | themill | Eduard_Munteanu: you'd change d/control |
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| 14:06.56 | aphorise | Is there a way to pinpoint / track sockets that arnt closed? - I've tried "lsof" & "netstat" but what I'm after isnt listed on both but I'm certian that on kernel level its somehow in use? - is that possible |
| 14:07.18 | Eduard_Munteanu | themill, do you mean I should try deleting all the other package information from it? |
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| 14:09.40 | themill | Eduard_Munteanu: the rest of the package build system might not like that |
| 14:09.47 | themill | but yes, that's what you need to try |
| 14:09.53 | Eduard_Munteanu | Thanks. |
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| 14:17.29 | jack_thompson | how do i downgrade from jessie to wheezy? |
| 14:17.46 | mtn | reinstall |
| 14:17.50 | jelly | jack_thompson: short answer: you can't |
| 14:17.51 | scoofy | you can't |
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| 14:17.59 | jack_thompson | k |
| 14:18.23 | themill | you could always try to actually solve your problem rather than just run away |
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| 14:18.56 | jack_thompson | i am getting cryptic systemd errors when i try to get nginx to work with php5-fpm... i am not going to solve systemd, dude... ill just wait until it solves itself like HAL had solved itself... |
| 14:19.15 | jack_thompson | reinstall it is |
| 14:19.19 | themill | *shrug* not my box that's not working |
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| 14:19.29 | scoofy | eh.... systemd.... "god help you" |
| 14:19.52 | Eduard_Munteanu | Not sure why you'd go back to Wheezy now that Jessie is so close. |
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| 14:20.26 | jelly | Eduard_Munteanu: it's not even close any more. |
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| 14:21.01 | Eduard_Munteanu | Oh, doh. |
| 14:21.25 | Eduard_Munteanu | I've been running Jessie for quite some time, so I guess I didn't notice. |
| 14:21.47 | teraflop | jack_thompson: you don't need to solve systemd... i bet you ran into a pebcak |
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| 14:22.00 | yossarianuk | hi - just installed Debian 8 and installed KVM - its missng the standard NAT interface - i.e no 192.168.122.x range ? |
| 14:22.10 | yossarianuk | how can I add it - it is usually there by defauklt ? |
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| 14:22.29 | Eduard_Munteanu | yossarianuk, that's a libvirt thing, KVM doesn't give it to you by default |
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| 14:22.50 | jack_thompson | teraflop, yea... i made the mistake of updating something that worked... and now it doesn't anymore... and i am too old for that kind of shitty surprises... |
| 14:23.06 | teraflop | jack_thompson: sure |
| 14:23.08 | jack_thompson | i have not enough fucks left to give about how to fix this other than going back to wheezy... |
| 14:23.19 | teraflop | jack_thompson: i don't care btw |
| 14:23.26 | jack_thompson | so you are totally right when you assume it muight be a pebcak |
| 14:23.35 | scoofy | reinstall wheezy = 20 mins. fuckery with systemd = X mins |
| 14:23.41 | jacres | hi guys, I'm trying to install the dropbox daemon on a headless Debian 7 x64 server. I followed the instructions on dropbox (wget the archive, decompress, and run .dropboxd). There's no console output when I run it.. has anyone experienced this? |
| 14:23.44 | yossarianuk | Eduard_Munteanu: ok thanks - I have libvirtd also installed |
| 14:23.53 | yossarianuk | vnet0 = no ip |
| 14:23.58 | themill | jack_thompson: you're not actually going to get help unless you provide information. But I already said that to you ages ago... |
| 14:24.31 | Eduard_Munteanu | yossarianuk, don't you have a virbr0 |
| 14:24.33 | Eduard_Munteanu | ? |
| 14:24.33 | jack_thompson | themill, okay... nginx+php5-fpm give me blank pages... and no error messages... anywhere... |
| 14:24.43 | yossarianuk | Eduard_Munteanu: no |
| 14:24.56 | themill | you said that there were error messages 5 min ago |
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| 14:25.09 | yossarianuk | cant see it even with 'ifconfig -a' |
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| 14:25.12 | Eduard_Munteanu | yossarianuk, by the way, are you using kvm from libvirt or separately? |
| 14:25.29 | yossarianuk | Eduard_Munteanu: no using kvm+libvirtd |
| 14:25.30 | porton | libapache2-mod-suphp was removed from jessie. What to use instead it to run my .php scripts under correct users?! |
| 14:25.31 | jack_thompson | themill, those happened when i tried to start nginx after purging and reinstalling it... with default(!) configs |
| 14:25.58 | Eduard_Munteanu | yossarianuk, try virsh net-start default |
| 14:25.58 | yossarianuk | greping /etc I can see 'etc/libvirt/qemu/networks/default.xml: <bridge name="virbr0"/>' |
| 14:25.59 | themill | and you're not going to share them with us |
| 14:26.21 | yossarianuk | Eduard_Munteanu: thanks ! |
| 14:26.35 | bstarek | jack_thompson, check nginx logs |
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| 14:26.40 | jack_thompson | this is alhttp://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=tj8Lp2gL |
| 14:26.42 | yossarianuk | wonder why it didn't start on boot... |
| 14:26.49 | Eduard_Munteanu | yossarianuk, if that worked, then you probably also want a virsh net-autostart default to get it up at boot time |
| 14:27.07 | teraflop | yossarianuk: you need bridgeutils also you can set the default network/bridge/ host ifaces for the guest, i mean through virt-manager |
| 14:27.13 | jack_thompson | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=tj8Lp2gL <--- there... systemd everywhere.. |
| 14:27.23 | yossarianuk | Eduard_Munteanu: cheers - i'm used to this occuring during install . Really thanks a lot ! |
| 14:27.24 | teraflop | ah nvm you fixed it |
| 14:27.32 | bstarek | nginx isnt started |
| 14:27.46 | yossarianuk | cheers too teraflop: I had BR0 already |
| 14:27.47 | bstarek | jack_thompson, try : sudo netstat -antp | grep 80 |
| 14:27.50 | yossarianuk | jst no virbr0 |
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| 14:27.52 | Eduard_Munteanu | No problem. |
| 14:27.57 | bstarek | jack_thompson, try : and see if 80 is listening... |
| 14:28.02 | jack_thompson | that was with the default config(!) ... with my old config it does start.. but produces blank pages... |
| 14:28.25 | yossarianuk | ill reboot the server and test it comes up by default.. |
| 14:28.27 | bstarek | you might be misssing php mods? |
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| 14:28.38 | jack_thompson | sec |
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| 14:28.53 | bstarek | php modules i meant |
| 14:29.44 | teraflop | or may be the ppp-fpm sock/port configuration is messed |
| 14:29.46 | jack_thompson | oh.. this error: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=tj8Lp2gL was caused because there was a backup file in /etc/nginx/sites-enabled ..a file ending with a '~' |
| 14:29.48 | teraflop | php* |
| 14:30.03 | jack_thompson | and it threw that crappy error messsage.. |
| 14:30.11 | jack_thompson | well... okay... ill check for missing modules... |
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| 14:30.43 | themill | that's certainly not the default config |
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| 14:31.08 | themill | and the error message is from nginx not systemd. |
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| 14:31.22 | xabbix | I'm creating a deb package and want to control what is being removed when it uninstalls. I currently have no prerm or postrm and it just deletes a bunch of files and directories that I would like to preserve, how can I change this behavior? |
| 14:31.44 | jack_thompson | okay.. this is taking too long... ill go back to wheezy.. thanks |
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| 14:32.35 | bstarek | jack_thompson, troubleshooting takes time |
| 14:32.43 | bstarek | jack_thompson, but at least you learn |
| 14:32.51 | themill | he's already ragequit again |
| 14:34.38 | teraflop | heh |
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| 14:35.13 | bstarek | jack_thompson, looks like you got bad config here /etc/nginx/nginx.conf |
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| 14:41.38 | Guest34555 | I am trying to install firmware-ralink (0.43) in jessie so I can use wifi but synaptic isn't showing up with it |
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| 14:44.32 | berarma | !tell Guest34555 -about non-free |
| 14:44.50 | berarma | Guest34555, you need non-free |
| 14:44.57 | Guest____ | Yes |
| 14:45.08 | Guest____ | Sorry connection cut out |
| 14:45.33 | berarma | !tell Guest____ -about non-free |
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| 14:46.08 | SuperTramp83 | can someone confirm this: the package qt4-qtconfig is not in the main Debian 8 repository?? |
| 14:46.40 | themill | ,v qt4-qtconfig |
| 14:46.41 | judd | Package: qt4-qtconfig on amd64 -- squeeze: 4:4.6.3-4+squeeze1; squeeze-security-lts: 4:4.6.3-4+squeeze2; wheezy: 4:4.8.2+dfsg-11; wheezy-backports: 4:4.8.6+dfsg-2~bpo70+1; stretch: 4:4.8.6+git64-g5dc8b2b+dfsg-3; jessie: 4:4.8.6+git64-g5dc8b2b+dfsg-3; sid: 4:4.8.6+git64-g5dc8b2b+dfsg-3; experimental: 4:4.8.6+git155-g716fbae+dfsg-1 |
| 14:46.54 | berarma | SuperTramp83, it is |
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| 14:47.34 | SuperTramp83 | I did aptitude search and it wasn't there! |
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| 14:47.43 | superfast | hi |
| 14:47.46 | SuperTramp83 | checked in synaptic too |
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| 14:48.32 | the_sniff | ergh i upgraded to wheezy and it replaced my xfce with gnome :~ |
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| 14:51.10 | berarma | the_sniff, can't you select your session when logging in? |
| 14:51.11 | Guest____ | berarma: Thank you so much my wifi works now! |
| 14:51.34 | berarma | Guest____, yw |
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| 14:53.02 | the_sniff | berarma can't see that, and my virtual machine is lagging :e |
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| 14:55.34 | berarma | the_sniff, which login manager are you using? I mean the graphical login prompt. |
| 14:55.43 | neilthereildeil | hey guys. how can i use TPM in debian? |
| 14:55.58 | the_sniff | its the default one with jessie, im guessing its gnome's? |
| 14:56.29 | Roberth1990 | anyone know where I can get a newer version of adb in jessie? |
| 14:57.06 | somiaj | ,v adb |
| 14:57.07 | judd | No package named 'adb' was found in amd64. |
| 14:57.45 | Roberth1990 | android-tools-adb |
| 14:57.46 | somiaj | Roberth1990: The standard answer is find a backport. Since not many backports are made for jessie yet you will probably have to create your own. |
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| 14:58.07 | Roberth1990 | somiaj: well even unstable is on the same version still |
| 14:58.08 | berarma | Roberth1990, you can just install Android's JDK |
| 14:58.17 | berarma | SDK* |
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| 14:58.43 | somiaj | Roberth1990: which basically means get the source code for the newer version and compile it on jessie. You have two basic choices. 1) compile a debian package from the source code to integrate into your system via dpkg, or 2) compile it and install it in /usr/local, /opt, $HOME (someplace that dpkg won't put packages) |
| 14:58.48 | neilthereildeil | specifically, i want to be able to store keys on the TPM |
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| 14:58.57 | neilthereildeil | how can i do that from debian? |
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| 14:59.05 | berarma | what's TPM? |
| 14:59.23 | Roberth1990 | somiaj: any howto for 1)? |
| 14:59.44 | jacres | anyone install dropbox on a headless server? Just the daemon? |
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| 14:59.57 | somiaj | Roberth1990: this depends on the source code. There are tools (look at debian helper) to try to take source code and create a debian/ directory to make a package. |
| 15:00.27 | somiaj | Roberth1990: you could also look at uupdate (/msg dpkg uupdate) and try to use the debian/ directory for the current version. Usually 2) is easier unless you have experience working with debian packages. |
| 15:00.32 | neilthereildeil | TPM: Trusted Platform Module |
| 15:00.38 | jacres | I run the daemon and there's no message regarding it not being linked to an account.. it jus thangs |
| 15:00.49 | somiaj | Roberth1990: and no I dno't have any how to handy. There is the debian's new matainers guide (/msg dpkg nmg) |
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| 15:06.46 | petn-randall | jacres: You'll have to ask dropbox, this isn't software that is packaged for Debian. |
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| 15:07.35 | the_sniff | just removed all gnome related packages and installed xdm/xfce4 but i remember having a different login manager before |
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| 15:08.44 | petn-randall | the_sniff: Probably gmd3? |
| 15:09.23 | wpd | How does ifup decide what command line arguments to pass to avahi-autoipd when the ipv4ll method is specified? |
| 15:09.24 | the_sniff | could be i can't recall setting anything to launch xfce4 before upgrading |
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| 15:09.34 | the_sniff | can gdm3 handle xfce4 without having to configure it? |
| 15:09.56 | wpd | Or, more to the point, how can I pass the --force-bind option to avahi-autoipd when I use the ipv4ll method? |
| 15:10.02 | teraflop | the_sniff: definitely yes |
| 15:10.04 | somiaj | wpd: ifup uses the info in /etc/interfaces to make any decisions. If info isn't supplied it probabaly reverts to defaults. |
| 15:10.16 | petn-randall | the_sniff: You don't have to configure anything in your login manager, it'll automatically have a pulldown menu to decide on the DE if you have more than one installed. |
| 15:10.34 | the_sniff | ah than it must be it, thanks |
| 15:11.09 | wpd | somiaj: if it reverts to the defaults, how can I augment or change those defaults? |
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| 15:11.21 | neilthereildeil | how can i store keys in TPM? |
| 15:11.57 | somiaj | wpd: you will have to look up the syntax needed in the interfaces file. Sometimes this is in man interfaces, sometimes you have to look around for the info. /usr/share/doc/packagename sometimes has useful info about the syntax. |
| 15:12.27 | somiaj | wpd: another option is if it can be changed after the interface is brought up, but you don't want to run the command to change it each time, put that command as a postup script in the interfaces file. |
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| 15:12.44 | somiaj | wpd: I'm not familar with this paticular configuration option so I don't know the best place to find the info. |
| 15:13.33 | wpd | According to the man page for interfaces, the ipv4ll method doesn't take any additional options. Yet, somehow ifup launches avahi-autoipd. Is there any place I can learn how to specify the options passed to avahi-autoip when launched by ifup? |
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| 15:16.07 | DammitJim | ok, I'm back on the saddle |
| 15:16.21 | DammitJim | to configure a Jessie server in an AD domain and share home folders |
| 15:16.30 | DammitJim | anyone got good suggestions of documentation? |
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| 15:28.58 | the_sniff | i got an error trying to increase my log file size `InnoDB: Warning: io_setup() failed with EAGAIN. Will make 5 attempts before giving up.` |
| 15:29.17 | the_sniff | should i set innodb_use_native_aio = 0? or maybe raise aio-max-nr? |
| 15:29.51 | the_sniff | oops wrong room :p |
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| 15:33.54 | DarsVaeda | any idea why I can't use a third monitor on a second graphics card? xorg.log: http://paste.debian.net/170184/ |
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| 15:51.04 | the_sniff | meh how is it that i reach 60KB/s when importing a huge innodb? |
| 15:51.05 | the_sniff | :E |
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| 15:57.21 | socomm | the_sniff: /j #mysql |
| 15:57.42 | the_sniff | lol 2nd time i wrote on the wrong window |
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| 16:04.37 | cvillavicencio | hi! anyone here can help me with a really random issue?? (not related to debian :$) must be from usa |
| 16:06.52 | socomm | cvillavicencio: There is a #linux channel. |
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| 16:07.40 | cvillavicencio | thanx socomm |
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| 16:11.03 | Ormu | hey, Squeeze gave "No publick key for key ID 7638D0442B90D010" |
| 16:11.28 | Ormu | then "NO_PUBKEY CBF8D6FD518E17E1" |
| 16:11.46 | Ormu | is it safe to continue updates installation or has someone tampered with the package source or something? |
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| 16:17.34 | Roberth1990 | http://paste.debian.net/plain/170243 anybody know what is wrong here? |
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| 16:23.18 | mrcirca | Hello, have someone installed lxc on jessie? |
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| 16:24.03 | mrcirca | has* |
| 16:25.20 | Ormu | hmm looks like i had wheezy repos configured by accident... |
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| 16:29.06 | bald_bohemian | Just installed Debian 8 last night after years of using CentOS ... So far I'm really liking it. |
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| 16:35.38 | Ormu | apt-get update ignores some stuff even though I think it shouldn't, is there any way to force it to not ignore? |
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| 16:36.23 | Ormu | meh |
| 16:36.28 | Ormu | perhaps I have to reinstall |
| 16:36.28 | petn-randall | Ormu: Can you elaborate? Best is to show output on http://paste.debian.net. |
| 16:36.59 | Ormu | https://bpaste.net/show/26bbd5fa68d7 |
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| 16:37.02 | Ormu | here ^ |
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| 16:42.11 | bstarek | Ormu, looks normale to me |
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| 16:43.30 | Ormu | hm |
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| 16:44.43 | Ormu | but it has not installed, and it |
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| 16:44.59 | Ormu | it's not going to install some important stuff such as bash patch against shellshock |
| 16:45.28 | Ormu | I think I have used wheezy repos by accident, could this be the cause? |
| 16:45.39 | greycat | wheezy's bash is patched, and has been for many months |
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| 16:45.47 | Ormu | hm |
| 16:45.49 | Ormu | weird :P |
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| 16:46.15 | Ormu | ...but actually the last installation of wheezy stuff was 2 years ago |
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| 16:46.57 | Ormu | today I changed to squeeze repos, did apt-get upgrade, and I still have vulnerable bash |
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| 16:47.19 | greycat | Squeeze does not receive security updates, unless you're using squeeze-lts, and then you only get what people have voluntarily contributd |
| 16:47.24 | Ormu | time to reinstall I think... the problem is that the computer doesn't like 3.xx kernels, only 2.6 |
| 16:47.26 | greycat | Wheezy DOES have security updates. |
| 16:47.34 | greycat | greg@remote:~$ cat /etc/debian_version; f() { :; }; export -f f; env | grep BASH_FUNC |
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| 16:47.37 | greycat | 7.8 |
| 16:47.39 | greycat | BASH_FUNC_f()=() { : |
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| 16:48.17 | jesdebian | hola |
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| 16:48.31 | greycat | (Note, jessie's version of bash uses a *different* patch to proactively address the function exporting thing.) |
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| 16:48.50 | NoImNotNineVolt | what computer can't run 3.x? |
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| 16:49.17 | greycat | I've got a couple servers that can't even update to the normal squeeze kernels because of some old RAID cabinets. |
| 16:50.03 | Ormu | old Compaq presario computer |
| 16:50.18 | NoImNotNineVolt | that's wild. it must be ancient. |
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| 16:50.34 | NoImNotNineVolt | why not just upgrade to a raspberry pi or something? |
| 16:50.45 | greycat | In my case, the 2.6.26 kernel works, the 2.6.28 kernel works (I think it's a kmuto build), but the normal squeeze kernel breaks. |
| 16:50.54 | Ormu | it is ancient :P |
| 16:51.15 | NoImNotNineVolt | you'll save the $35 cost of the device in no time just through power savings :P |
| 16:51.22 | Ormu | exactly :P |
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| 17:00.38 | Enoid8 | Hi, a try upgrade debian wheezy to jessie, but after this grub not work, im in live cd now, how i can rescue grub in a lvm encryped system? |
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| 17:02.56 | Enoid8 | ? |
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| 17:05.05 | tattoli | enoid8: you can boot into a debian install cd and go into rescue mode, you will be able to select your encrypted root partition and repair the grub install through rescue mode |
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| 17:05.44 | ripdisk | is BACK from being away from his keyboard. Reason: zZZzZzZzzzzzzZ |
| 17:06.24 | ripdisk | everybody sorry SORRY somebody kept PMing me sorru |
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| 17:14.17 | owkword | is there a way of checking why a certain package version is stuck in 'unstable' for months? |
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| 17:14.46 | greycat | !why is docker not in testing |
| 17:14.47 | dpkg | docker is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=docker |
| 17:15.08 | greycat | err, whatever the package name is. |
| 17:15.13 | owkword | ah, thanks. |
| 17:15.18 | owkword | (it was qgis) |
| 17:17.04 | jhutchins | People are discovering that docker is actually worse than the problem it was supposed to solve - which nobody is sure what was anyway. |
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| 17:18.26 | owkword | i don't even know what docker is. |
| 17:18.36 | greycat | ... docker.io That's it. I was thinking .oo but that's like OpenOffice or something.... |
| 17:18.56 | greycat | owkword: I'm not entirely clear on it either, but people keep asking about it here. |
| 17:19.14 | jhutchins | I see it was just greycat's example. |
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| 17:19.57 | owkword | hm, it says that qgis 2.8 has only been in unstable for 2 days. i'm sure it's been kept out of testing for much longer than that... maybe it was in experimental before the jessie release. |
| 17:20.44 | greycat | ,v qgis |
| 17:20.45 | judd | Package: qgis on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.4.0+12730-5; wheezy: 1.7.4+1.7.5~20120320-1.1+b1; jessie: 2.4.0-1+b1; stretch: 2.4.0-1+b1; sid: 2.8.1+dfsg1-1 |
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| 17:21.02 | greycat | that would make sense... I dunno if that's true, but it would make sense. |
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| 17:22.37 | neilthereildeil | does debian come with any TPM support built in? |
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| 17:23.05 | greycat | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tpm |
| 17:23.11 | greycat | scans down the list... |
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| 17:23.45 | neilthereildeil | greycat: i dont see anything about debian in there |
| 17:24.01 | greycat | I can't tell whether I do or not. There are too many possible matches. |
| 17:24.06 | greycat | Can you explain what you mean by "TPM"? |
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| 17:24.20 | neilthereildeil | theTrusted Platform Module Chip |
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| 17:24.33 | neilthereildeil | i want to know if debian comes with any built in support for playing with it |
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| 17:24.54 | neilthereildeil | or do i have to install software seperately that will let me play with the TPM in Debian |
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| 17:25.47 | vector | q |
| 17:25.49 | vector | :q |
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| 17:29.25 | jrtappers | Is there a good way to setup an IPSec remote access VPN |
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| 17:29.57 | jrtappers | I have tried 2 scripts, and 3 sets of software manually, hasn't worked yet |
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| 17:30.25 | rootkea | I just installed Debian 8.0 How do I change the apt mirror without installing any additional utility? |
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| 17:30.44 | greycat | Just edit /etc/apt/sources.list and re-run apt-get update |
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| 17:31.04 | jrtappers | rootkea, you might like this site http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ |
| 17:31.18 | rootkea | There is no mirror line in sources.list |
| 17:31.22 | acz32 | are there any https mirrors? |
| 17:31.28 | greycat | it won't have the word "mirror" in it. |
| 17:31.44 | rootkea | Where is the mirror set (which I selected during installation)? |
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| 17:32.03 | jrtappers | acz32, The packages are usually GPG signed, so https usually wouldn't add much (I think) |
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| 17:32.11 | rootkea | apt still using that |
| 17:32.26 | greycat | https sucks profoundly for large binary packages that should be cacheable |
| 17:32.31 | acz32 | jrtappers: it would at least conceal what packages we are downloading and installing |
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| 17:32.55 | jrtappers | acz32, Ah, ok, for privacy rather than authenticity |
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| 17:33.15 | acz32 | yes |
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| 17:33.49 | TechChristoph | is there a lex and yacc channel on freenode ? |
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| 17:33.59 | acz32 | i know arch has https mirrors so i thought debian might. i guess not |
| 17:34.16 | TechChristoph | im searching for some but didnt find |
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| 17:34.54 | jrtappers | acz32, apt-transport-https might help |
| 17:35.21 | rootkea | Oops! I feel like such an idiot. the mirror links are there right in front of me in sources.list |
| 17:35.56 | acz32 | jrtappers: i'll check it out. thanks |
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| 17:36.26 | duelle | Hi there, I just installed postfix/dovecot and in general it works quite well. But it seems as if I get received mails in the /var/mail/<user> instead of the ~/Mail/ dir (I set this in main.cf). How can I correct this to make sure they are stored in maildir? |
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| 17:51.29 | rootkea | sudo apt-get update gives W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie/updates/main/source/Sources 404 Not Found why? |
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| 17:52.34 | thalos_ | Because that URL doesn't exist :D |
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| 17:54.04 | rootkea | thalos, I just installed Debian 8.0 so I haven't changed a bit then why doesn't the default source work? |
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| 17:54.10 | rootkea | Am I missing something? |
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| 17:54.16 | duelle | Hi there, I just installed postfix/dovecot and in general it works quite well. But it seems as if I get received mails in the /var/mail/<user> instead of the ~/Mail/ dir (I set this to Mail/ in main.cf). How can I correct this to make sure they are stored in maildir? |
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| 17:54.57 | baegle | I want to keep my current debian system on wheezy. My apt sources.list file lists its sources by name (wheezy) not quality (stable) but apt-get upgrade still wants to upgrade everything to jessie. What am I doing wrong? |
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| 17:55.26 | greycat | baegle: did you re-run "apt-get update"? |
| 17:55.29 | thalos_ | rootkea: No idea, probably a temporary error, switch source to something else and wait foe the problem to go away imho |
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| 17:56.02 | baegle | greycat: yes |
| 17:56.07 | rootkea | thalos_, I chnaged the mirror twice but getting 404 only (5 more urls) |
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| 17:56.16 | rootkea | *changed |
| 17:56.37 | greycat | baegle: then you must have a jessie line *somewhere*, either in /etc/apt/sources.list or in a file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
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| 17:56.53 | baegle | I do have a jessie line, but it's for a specific pin |
| 17:57.04 | baegle | greycat: maybe my pin is wrong |
| 17:57.11 | greycat | that sounds likely |
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| 17:58.30 | thalos_ | rootkea: What does the offending line look like? |
| 17:58.34 | baegle | greycat: is there a way to use apt to tell me what the resultant priority for a given package is? |
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| 18:01.36 | nander | dev-mapper-sda7_crypt.device/start does errors |
| 18:01.45 | nander | It's my encrypted swap |
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| 18:02.26 | petn-randall | baegle: Why are you mixing wheezy and jessie in the first place? The proper way would be to use wheezy-backports, or backport it yourself. |
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| 18:03.34 | juanpi | wifi goes down when kworker takes over all my cpu (96%) |
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| 18:03.51 | juanpi | I deactivated ipv6 following instructions in the wiki, option with grub |
| 18:04.02 | juanpi | can anybody help me to debug this kworker issue? |
| 18:04.07 | baegle | petn-randall: for a specific package I needed, and I don't know how to backport personally |
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| 18:06.22 | greycat | baegle: if you actually INSTALLED a package from testing/jessie/unstable/sid onto wheeze, then what you have is no longer wheezy. |
| 18:06.27 | abrotman | juanpi: what would IPv6 have to do with that? |
| 18:06.51 | Dagger2 | abrotman: he had a problem |
| 18:07.11 | juanpi | abrotman, I had dmesg fullof warnings about ipv6, now they are gone. I have an old laptop. |
| 18:07.12 | Dagger2 | obviously this means IPv6 must be disabled, even if it has nothing to do with anything and disabling it doesn't help anything |
| 18:07.23 | nander | Does debian use something other than fstab? |
| 18:07.38 | nander | It seems it doesn't do anything with fstab |
| 18:07.39 | abrotman | juanpi: Your wifi didn't work, so you disabled IPv6? |
| 18:07.41 | abrotman | really? |
| 18:07.48 | baegle | greycat: I know, but neither do I have jessie |
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| 18:08.02 | juanpi | abrotman, no, kworker 0:2 would suck allmy cpu and wifi would go down |
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| 18:08.06 | ipso | I'm trying to boot Debian8 netboot ISO and the grub prompt just appears then sits there forever... Any ideas why it wouldn't be getting past that step and actually launching the installer? |
| 18:08.13 | juanpi | dmseg would be full of IPV&: no interface...etc |
| 18:08.14 | greycat | baegle: check the version of your libc6 package. If it's wheezy-ish, then you might be able to revert the damage. If it's jessie-ish, then you have to go forward. |
| 18:08.18 | abrotman | doesn't see how the two things are related |
| 18:08.48 | juanpi | now only ipw2200: Failed to send SYSTEM_CONFIG: Already sending a command. |
| 18:08.50 | juanpi | reamins |
| 18:08.52 | baegle | greycat: It's wheezy, I've been as careful as I can be |
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| 18:09.19 | juanpi | abrotman, well, me neithe rbut inet shows that ipv6 has something to do |
| 18:09.22 | greycat | baegle: so remove the jessie line, remove whatever jessie packages you installed that magically did not depend on jessie libc6, and count yourself lucky? |
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| 18:09.26 | juanpi | here comes again... |
| 18:09.38 | juanpi | is kworker 0:0 now |
| 18:10.01 | abrotman | Right, so .. not related at all .. |
| 18:10.11 | juanpi | abrotman, what? |
| 18:10.19 | juanpi | abrotman, the IPV6 warning are gone, that's good |
| 18:10.21 | abrotman | juanpi: Which distro are you using? And what hardware? What is your kernel? |
| 18:10.30 | nander | By the way, who on earth put 90 seconds on the failures? Is this some kind of new Zen feature? |
| 18:10.33 | abrotman | eh .. maybe I don't want to get involved with someone using that logic |
| 18:10.47 | juanpi | Debian 8 Jessie, fresh install from lxde distro. 3.16.0-4-686-pae |
| 18:11.02 | juanpi | hp copaq nx8220 |
| 18:11.08 | juanpi | *compaq |
| 18:11.10 | baegle | greycat: what I don't understand is why pinning isn't working |
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| 18:11.15 | greycat | !pinning |
| 18:11.15 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
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| 18:11.49 | greycat | Pinning does not magically enable you to put jessie packages on a wheezy system. |
| 18:11.57 | abrotman | juanpi: try to look for useful errors in your logs, IPv6 is not your problem |
| 18:12.11 | greycat | Not without pulling in half of jessie in the process. |
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| 18:12.56 | juanpi | abrotman, what logs, I have checked ost of them and can't see anything. what do you suggest. I also used echo 1 >/proc/sysrq-trigger |
| 18:13.01 | juanpi | but doesn't give much extra info |
| 18:13.02 | jkyle | I've forgotten the name of the package with tools for dumping the debian-installer options |
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| 18:13.39 | magyar | is the "http://mozilla.debian.net/" not maintained |
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| 18:13.41 | magyar | ? |
| 18:13.44 | abrotman | it is |
| 18:13.55 | magyar | abrotman: wheezy is stable? |
| 18:13.57 | juanpi | abrotman, also the problem comes immediatelly after I get this ipw2200 errors in dmesg. Before IPV6 errors would follow...now they dont |
| 18:14.02 | abrotman | magyar: see /topic |
| 18:14.14 | abrotman | juanpi: paste.debian.net |
| 18:14.33 | jkyle | ah ha, debconf-get-selections |
| 18:14.38 | magyar | abrotman: well the http://mozilla.debian.net/ is listing wheezy as stable and jessie as testing |
| 18:15.01 | Dagger2 | juanpi: and now you've broken your v6, and it'll be our job to work out why in 18 months' time |
| 18:15.04 | abrotman | magyar: it's been four days .. |
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| 18:15.17 | abrotman | five days |
| 18:15.18 | magyar | abrotman: no excuses please :) |
| 18:15.24 | juanpi | Dagger2, I do not thnik my hardware supports ipv6 |
| 18:15.47 | abrotman | magyar: Do you need help" |
| 18:15.48 | abrotman | ? |
| 18:15.54 | juanpi | Dagger2, with ipv6 I couldn't even coonect to my wifi having "bad password" errors with the right password |
| 18:16.03 | anddam | when I start a lxde session I have a pulseaudio process automatically started, who's responsible for that? |
| 18:16.21 | magyar | abrotman: I'm good, just had a question that got successfully answered, thanks |
| 18:16.36 | Dagger2 | juanpi: it's unlikely to not support it |
| 18:16.55 | juanpi | Dagger2, what ever you say, but that fixed the connection issue |
| 18:17.15 | juanpi | Dagger2, it might be another problem, but that fixed it... |
| 18:17.31 | Dagger2 | it's more likely the associated reboot fixed that particular problem... |
| 18:17.43 | NoImNotNineVolt | in all my years of sshing all over the place, i've never had to do the whole "~." thing until very recently, and now it's happening all the time. did something change? |
| 18:17.48 | juanpi | Dagger2, nope, had rebooted before hundreds of times |
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| 18:19.04 | juanpi | Dagger2, 1st I needed t instal ipw2x00 package or it wont detect the hardware, then I removed ipv6 cause I couldn't even connect to router...now is just unstable |
| 18:19.48 | abrotman | juanpi: lspci -nn | grep Wireless (anything show up?) |
| 18:20.09 | juanpi | 02:04.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2200BG [Calexico2] Network Connection [8086:4220] (rev 05 |
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| 18:22.55 | juanpi | abrotman, from time to time I get this and my connectino goes down..so far it has recovered http://paste.debian.net/170279/ |
| 18:23.07 | juanpi | in the past it will be followed by ipv6 and it would never recover |
| 18:23.16 | juanpi | ipv6 errors |
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| 18:27.17 | teraflop | juanpi: some people suggest doing iwconfig wlan0 (or whatever) power off |
| 18:28.12 | juanpi | teraflop, to achieve what? |
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| 18:29.32 | teraflop | juanpi: ipw2200: Failed to send SYSTEM_CONFIG: Already sending a command. |
| 18:29.50 | teraflop | and the loss of connectivity |
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| 18:30.47 | juanpi | teraflop, wouldn't that shut off my wifi connection? |
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| 18:31.46 | baegle | greycat: is the information in this article on pinning still accurate? http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html It is this behavior I am trying to replicate which is failing |
| 18:32.15 | shay_shay | baegle: thats a bad idea |
| 18:32.37 | greycat | "For non-critical services, like perhaps your mailer," ..??! |
| 18:32.42 | teraflop | juanpi: i dont think so, i cant replicate my wifi card is not that old :P |
| 18:33.12 | baegle | shay_shay: I understand the risks. I'm trying to get apt to behave according to how it appears to be documented |
| 18:33.41 | juanpi | teraflop, but your iwconfig command shot downs the wlan device...how will have have connection after that? |
| 18:33.47 | greycat | baegle: So, in addition to not considering email a security-critical thing (I strongly disagree!), that article will pull in libc6 from unstable. It even shows an example of that happening. Once you've got unstable's libc6, you're no longer doing stable. You've got a frankendebian. |
| 18:34.22 | shay_shay | !tell baegle about ssb |
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| 18:35.04 | teraflop | juanpi: man iwconfig |
| 18:35.41 | baegle | greycat: I'm fully aware of the risk of bringing in an off-color core library |
| 18:35.46 | shay_shay | baegle: the things you want, get them in the procedures laid out in that factoid dpkg pm'd you, not pinning |
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| 18:35.57 | teraflop | juanpi: it's about power management not _shutting down_ the card |
| 18:36.19 | baegle | shay_shay: thanks, that looks like the right way to do it. The thing I can't figure out is why pinning seems to just simply not behave as documented for me |
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| 18:38.53 | shay_shay | baegle: it's very finicky and best advice is to avoid it unless you have no other choice. an example of when i used pinning recently is for my raspberry pi, i used a 3rd party repo with kernel packages in it, and they overrode the packages in jessie. well, the version of one package got bumped in jessie and it overrode the one in the 3rd party repo, which i needed no matter what. i pinned it real quick, and |
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| 18:38.56 | shay_shay | then filed a bug report to the maintainer |
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| 18:39.03 | Deiwsots | hi guys,I applied the following rules 'iptables -t nat -A OUTPUT -p icmp -d 8.8.8.8 -j DNAT --to 172.16.1.1' and I would like to know why i receive response if the ip address is another host that blocks icmp |
| 18:39.03 | Deiwsots | ping -c1 8.8.8.8 |
| 18:39.03 | Deiwsots | PING 8.8.8.8 (8.8.8.8) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 18:39.03 | Deiwsots | 64 bytes from 8.8.8.8: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.060 ms |
| 18:39.03 | Deiwsots | --- 8.8.8.8 ping statistics --- |
| 18:39.03 | Deiwsots | 1 packets transmitted, 1 received, 0% packet loss, time 0ms |
| 18:39.03 | Deiwsots | rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.060/0.060/0.060/0.000 ms |
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| 18:39.22 | shay_shay | when he bumps the version on it i will remove that pinning, baegle. its hacky and no good |
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| 18:40.23 | baegle | shay_shay: sad. It seems there's tons of documentation about pinning and very little about building backports in this situation. I wish I would have been exposed to the backports option before the current deadline hit T -24hrs |
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| 18:40.39 | baegle | shay_shay: thanks for pointing me in the right direction |
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| 18:41.50 | shay_shay | baegle: backports is real simple, most of the time its just "apt-get source -b foo && gdebi foo*.deb" (with a deb-src for sid in your sources) |
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| 18:42.16 | Deiwsots | hi guys,I applied the following rules 'iptables -t nat -A OUTPUT -p icmp -d 8.8.8.8 -j DNAT --to 172.16.1.1' and I would like to know why i receive response if the ip address is another host that blocks icmp |
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| 18:42.24 | dokma | how to tell aptitude to replace libreoffice with version from backports? |
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| 18:43.08 | Deiwsots | I've done some tests, see here -> http://paste.debian.net/170287 |
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| 18:43.33 | shay_shay | baegle: but often the maintainers of those packages maintain backports and all you need to do is get them from jessie-backports. right now there is not a lot of them since jessie is so new, but theres a ton for wheezy |
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| 18:44.15 | Amun_Ra | Deiwsots: I guess, no PREROUTING |
| 18:44.22 | bmoar | is there any way to use sftp with ssh keys to install packages from an apt server? ssh://<user>@<server> works fine but I'd like to use scp and use a chroot |
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| 18:45.30 | baegle | what is wheezy/updates |
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| 18:46.05 | Amun_Ra | Deiwsots: also, you have to have another rule from local to public |
| 18:46.07 | Deiwsots | Amun_Ra: I'm testing some things and I would like to know why when apply this rule receive response from 8.8.8.8 |
| 18:46.23 | shay_shay | !tell baegle about wheezy-updates |
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| 18:47.04 | Amun_Ra | Deiwsots: try icmp nat prerouting public â private and icmp nat postrouting private â public |
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| 18:47.28 | shay_shay | !tell baegle about wheezy/updates |
| 18:47.29 | nander | Hi |
| 18:47.37 | petn-randall | Deiwsots: Do you see the counter increasing if you run 'iptables -t nat -L -vn'? |
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| 18:48.13 | Deiwsots | one minute please i gonna see |
| 18:48.15 | juanpi | http://paste.debian.net/170288/ |
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| 18:48.33 | juanpi | teraflop, here is the failure. I read man, ok, you think it is the power saving control |
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| 18:48.45 | rf0x | hello |
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| 18:49.07 | juanpi | teraflop, I realized that if I do rmmod ipw2200 kworker ends and releases the cpu |
| 18:49.10 | somiaj | Was wondering if there is a way to make 'ls' order stuff like 1-file, 2-file, ..., 10-file, 11-file, in order without having to pad a 0 in front of 01, 02, etc. |
| 18:49.12 | rf0x | i did an upgrade from wheezy to jessie and i see sysvinit is still installed... can i remove it safely? |
| 18:49.20 | juanpi | and with modprobe ipw2200 I get the connection back |
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| 18:49.33 | somiaj | rf0x: it is most likely only the transitional package. Look at the package description |
| 18:49.42 | somiaj | rf0x: transitional packages can safely be removed after the upgrade. |
| 18:49.47 | Deiwsots | petn-randall: The counter is increasing |
| 18:49.57 | rf0x | somiaj: ok thanks for the info |
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| 18:50.06 | juanpi | teraflop, I've just run sudo iwconfig eth1 power off |
| 18:50.18 | juanpi | teraflop, and the errors are still appearing in dmesg |
| 18:50.47 | juanpi | I saw asolution putting rules with ifdown and ifup with rmmod and modprobe, is that a reasonable solution? |
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| 18:51.17 | greycat | somiaj: "ls -v" in Debian (GNU) |
| 18:51.35 | nander | Does ifconfig only configure ipv6? |
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| 18:51.47 | NoImNotNineVolt | ... no. |
| 18:51.56 | nander | I only get an ipv6 address |
| 18:52.01 | somiaj | greycat: thank you. |
| 18:52.01 | nudoge | I cant find dumpe2fs on debian/jessie |
| 18:52.05 | NoImNotNineVolt | it configures network interfaces regardless of layer 3 protocol. |
| 18:52.16 | greycat | e2fsprogs: /sbin/dumpe2fs |
| 18:52.22 | nander | Then I still need to do dhcp manually? |
| 18:52.31 | nudoge | ty gray |
| 18:52.33 | NoImNotNineVolt | i think you're doing it wrong. |
| 18:52.35 | Dagger2 | you shouldn't be configuring anything with `ifconfig` :p use `ip` |
| 18:52.43 | teraflop | juanpi: i had the same wireless nic tiiiime ago I barely remember something about power saving control, did you tried the power off thing? |
| 18:52.45 | Night_Elf | Hi all. I have xen setup on debian 7 with xcp-xapi. I have managed to connect XenCenter to it but I can't get a console on dom0 (have not yet tried with domU). I see there's mention of this around the internet but I haven't found any set solution. How can I fix this ? |
| 18:52.47 | NoImNotNineVolt | really? i use ifconfig exclusively. |
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| 18:53.01 | juanpi | teraflop, I just did, the errors are still comming |
| 18:53.01 | LMNOP__ | then your wrong |
| 18:53.11 | nander | How do I start my network then? |
| 18:53.11 | LMNOP__ | hmm |
| 18:53.14 | teraflop | juanpi: uhm |
| 18:53.14 | nander | (connection)? |
| 18:53.19 | NoImNotNineVolt | my wrong what? |
| 18:53.24 | LMNOP__ | man ip |
| 18:53.41 | Dagger2 | (I prefer `ifconfig`'s output when looking at network config, but it has that bug where it only shows the first v4 address on an interface (unless you make sure to put a label the address)... at some point or another that's going to end up causing me pain) |
| 18:53.47 | juanpi | teraflop, iwconfig says: Power Management:off |
| 18:53.53 | bmoar | is there any way to use sftp with ssh keys to install packages from an apt server? ssh://<user>@<server> works fine but I'd like to use sftp and use a chroot |
| 18:54.02 | nander | I want to start my network |
| 18:54.03 | teraflop | juanpi: I see |
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| 18:54.07 | nander | I don't want to know my IP |
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| 18:54.30 | NoImNotNineVolt | i don't know what start my network means. `service networking start`? |
| 18:54.32 | juanpi | is having a rule with ifdown rmmod and then ifup modprobe a good idea? |
| 18:54.38 | LMNOP__ | yeah do that |
| 18:54.53 | LMNOP__ | not u juanpi wut? |
| 18:55.05 | NoImNotNineVolt | although if you have an interface with a dhcp lease for an ipv6 address, your networking is already started. |
| 18:55.13 | teraflop | nander: there are several methods for managing the network |
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| 18:55.33 | tattoli | this may be a dumb question but do all repos(stable/testing/unstable) on a mirror update simultaneously? |
| 18:55.34 | nander | I want one that still works in the emergency root terminal |
| 18:55.38 | teraflop | NoImNotNineVolt: have that service masked ^ |
| 18:55.38 | nudoge | juanpi: did you rmmod ifdown? |
| 18:55.42 | greycat | tattoli: definitely not |
| 18:55.46 | teraflop | I have* |
| 18:55.56 | NoImNotNineVolt | heh |
| 18:56.10 | juanpi | nudoge, when the kwokrer got over the cpu with 96% I did rmmod and it stopped |
| 18:56.17 | greycat | tattoli: or I guess a less ambiguous answer to this ambiguous question is "there is no guarantee of the exact time any package/repository changes" |
| 18:56.22 | juanpi | nudoge, then I did modprobe and I got the connection back |
| 18:56.23 | tattoli | how can you use the mirror checker to know when a mirrors testing is out of date? |
| 18:56.32 | juanpi | this italina guy recommends the ifdown ruke |
| 18:56.34 | greycat | what |
| 18:56.42 | juanpi | http://forum.ubuntu-it.org/viewtopic.php?p=4708918#p4708918 |
| 18:56.45 | NoImNotNineVolt | also, managing a network isn't synonymous with managing a network interface. |
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| 18:56.54 | NoImNotNineVolt | nor managing the networking subsystem. |
| 18:56.55 | nudoge | juanpi: did it work before the update to network-manager? |
| 18:56.55 | teraflop | NoImNotNineVolt: true |
| 18:57.20 | baegle | shay_shay: wait, so if I add backports to wheezy, doesn't that mean that everything will be upgraded to backports by default unless i pin stable to a higher priority? |
| 18:57.21 | juanpi | nudoge, no idea I installed from DVD, adn th eupdates run at instalation time |
| 18:57.32 | juanpi | nudoge, it is a fresh install less than 8 hours use |
| 18:57.44 | NoImNotNineVolt | i don't mean to come across as pedantic, but i think this conversation would benefit from some more precise use of language :P |
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| 18:58.07 | nander | service networking start seems to be a bit old. Isn't it systemctl restart networking? |
| 18:58.19 | tattoli | i should say, how can you determine when your selected mirror's testing repository is out of date using the debian mirror checking status webpage? |
| 18:58.28 | shay_shay | baegle: add it and do an apt-get update, then use "apt-cache policy foo" to test it before you install anything |
| 18:58.29 | LMNOP__ | hmm i thought u could do it that way but yea i dunno |
| 18:58.29 | NoImNotNineVolt | isn't `service networking restart` just an alias for that now? |
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| 18:58.37 | nander | I dunno |
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| 18:59.08 | abrotman | tattoli: which one? there are two |
| 18:59.15 | juanpi | teraflop, abrotman what do you think of the itralian solution? http://forum.ubuntu-it.org/viewtopic.php?p=4708918#p4708918 |
| 18:59.21 | shay_shay | baegle: for example, hexchat, which is in wheezy-backports and in wheezy |
| 18:59.23 | nander | I really really really hate having to wait for the configuration of disks which is going to fail |
| 18:59.26 | tattoli | it only seems to have an option to select between main/volatile/www/CD on http://mirror.debian.org/status.html |
| 18:59.30 | nander | I think I just bricked my debian |
| 18:59.32 | NoImNotNineVolt | that was rhetorical. i believe all the common pre-systemd ways of doing things are now aliased to the appropriate systemd commands. |
| 18:59.43 | nander | Starting the network has no limit by default |
| 18:59.44 | LMNOP__ | that would make sense NoImNotNineVolt |
| 18:59.45 | nudoge | juanpi: did you try using ifconfig when cpu was locked up? |
| 18:59.50 | shay_shay | baegle: sorry hexchat is not in wheezy, my bad |
| 18:59.55 | juanpi | nudoge, in what way? |
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| 19:00.14 | abrotman | juanpi: did you try it? |
| 19:00.15 | baegle | shay_shay: but then I guess I can't do apt-get upgrades? |
| 19:00.21 | juanpi | nudoge, I mean: no I did not, but what do you suggest? |
| 19:00.22 | abrotman | tattoli: http://ftp.de.debian.org/dmc/today/ |
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| 19:00.39 | shay_shay | baegle: as long as your results from testing with apt-cache policy look normal then you can go ahead and do your upgrades |
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| 19:00.54 | nudoge | 'ifconfig <interface> down' then 'ifconfig <interface> up' interface=wlan0,eth0,etc. |
| 19:00.56 | abrotman | mmmm Bagel ... |
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| 19:01.07 | NoImNotNineVolt | nudoge++; |
| 19:01.07 | tattoli | thank you abrotman that clears it up |
| 19:01.10 | shay_shay | baegle: i dont want to give you blind advice, its better to tell you how you can see if things are working right |
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| 19:01.13 | juanpi | nudoge, I will try now, it is a matter of minutes before it happens again |
| 19:01.17 | abrotman | dpkg: tell tattoli about mirror status |
| 19:01.31 | baegle | shay_shay: I guess what I'm saying is that if have wheezy-backports in my sources list, then pretty much everything I install is coming from backports if there's a version available |
| 19:01.41 | teraflop | juanpi: if that is a dirty hack i dont get the point unless there is some driver options magics, but is that works for you it's ok |
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| 19:01.54 | shay_shay | baegle: it shouldnt if your apt preferences are normal |
| 19:02.02 | srg | I'm seeing an error regarding init and touch being not found (/usr/bin/touch does, in fact, exist...) upon boot. However, I can't find the error in dmesg or /var/log/messages. |
| 19:02.16 | baegle | shay_shay: why? apt preferences are generally empty on default installs, aren't they? |
| 19:02.17 | nudoge | juanpi: when it does you can use 'vmstat 1 4' to take a look at where the blockage is. |
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| 19:02.22 | greycat | srg: is /usr a separate file system? |
| 19:02.27 | srg | It boots normally, but seeing errors upon boot make me want to fix them. |
| 19:02.32 | juanpi | nudoge, let me see if I have that |
| 19:02.40 | srg | greycat: I don't know, I used automatic partitioning with LVM. I can check. |
| 19:02.46 | shay_shay | baegle: but i cant make any assumptions about your system since you did tamper with it already, so use apt-cache policy to see how it will handle things before you proceed |
| 19:03.02 | juanpi | nudoge, ok, how do you read that? |
| 19:03.11 | juanpi | nudoge, I mean, the output |
| 19:03.12 | srg | greycat: It doesn't look like it's a separate file system. |
| 19:03.28 | baegle | shay_shay: My tampering is minimal and I can't remove it all instantly. I'm trying to figure out how it's supposed to work from a technical standpoint |
| 19:03.39 | greycat | srg: ok, so much for the easy answers... |
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| 19:04.08 | baegle | shay_shay: If I just have wheezy sources, I get wheezy packages. If I add wheezy-backports, an apt-get upgrade will upgrade anything with an available backport, right? |
| 19:04.17 | TheXman | Hi |
| 19:04.35 | shay_shay | baegle: no, it shouldnt. pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy" |
| 19:04.47 | TheXman | I tried joining openvpn channel but could not. So, maybe someone here can help me with openvpn on a modified debian? |
| 19:04.48 | nudoge | r = scheduled in processes, b = uninterruptible sleeping processes. try man vmstat |
| 19:04.50 | juanpi | teraflop, the error is quite periodic |
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| 19:04.53 | nudoge | juanpi: |
| 19:04.56 | juanpi | look at the dmesg timestamps |
| 19:04.59 | shay_shay | baegle: also pasebin your sources.list |
| 19:05.31 | TheXman | I have a WD My book live which runs a modified Debian |
| 19:05.32 | srg | TheXman: It looks like you need a registered nick to join the #OpenVPN channel. |
| 19:05.52 | TheXman | yes. But for now, I don't remember my password |
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| 19:06.02 | TheXman | So, coming back to debian issue... |
| 19:06.16 | baegle | shay_shay: http://pastebin.com/na3iYUMP |
| 19:06.19 | teraflop | NoImNotNineVolt: hmmm I use systemd-networkd as network manager |
| 19:06.19 | TheXman | I want to restrict traffic only to VPN tunnel |
| 19:06.42 | juanpi | 452.624675, 550.389542, 675.430377, 829.232042, 1082.351372, 1244.551639, 1334.601029, 1382.362396, 1443.052350 |
| 19:06.46 | TheXman | When I connect to VPN provider, it pushes down some routes in the routing table. |
| 19:07.18 | NoImNotNineVolt | i use telnet as my network manager. |
| 19:07.20 | TheXman | As a result I am a little lost with what I need to do to force all Internet traffic via VPN tunnel |
| 19:07.27 | srg | I use ifup and ifdown as my network manager. |
| 19:07.49 | teraflop | NoImNotNineVolt: nah |
| 19:07.53 | srg | TheXman: There might be packages to automate it, but you'd need to setup firewall rules (iptables) |
| 19:08.01 | NoImNotNineVolt | i don't? |
| 19:08.07 | TheXman | srg: I don't think so |
| 19:08.07 | NoImNotNineVolt | well, that's news to me. |
| 19:08.21 | teraflop | NoImNotNineVolt: yes and now tellme you have ann netcat nased irc server :P |
| 19:08.22 | TheXman | I have used this earlier and I don't have firewall |
| 19:08.31 | teraflop | s/ann/a |
| 19:08.37 | NoImNotNineVolt | privmsg #debian :no, of course not |
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| 19:08.43 | TheXman | Now, I cannot remember what was done. |
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| 19:09.07 | celia_ | Hi everyone. I need some help with a problem I'm experiencing with and Intel 855GM video card. |
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| 19:09.19 | celia_ | this is my lspci output for the VGA section: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device (rev 02) |
| 19:09.25 | celia_ | I'm trying to use the intel X11 driver but I'm getting an error stating that no devices where found |
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| 19:11.57 | TheXman | here is the routing table |
| 19:11.59 | TheXman | http://pastebin.com/cmY7aU0E |
| 19:12.14 | TheXman | This is with VPN connection ON |
| 19:13.11 | shay_shay | baegle: apt-cache policy vim |
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| 19:16.02 | baegle | shay_shay: you're right, it doesn't install the backport by default! |
| 19:16.20 | baegle | shay_shay: so then why would it install the one from jessie by default as soon as I add a jessie source? |
| 19:16.32 | shay_shay | shrungs |
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| 19:16.38 | shay_shay | shrugs |
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| 19:17.51 | shay_shay | baegle: to get e.g. the bpo version of vim you have to use apt-get -t wheezy-backports install vim |
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| 19:24.17 | Night_Elf | Hi all. I have xen setup on debian 7 with xcp-xapi. I have managed to connect XenCenter to it but I can't get a console on dom0 (have not yet tried with domU). I see there's mention of this around the internet but I haven't found any set solution. Where can I find out more about this? |
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| 19:24.28 | Carpe|Diem | I have a debian virtual machine which I want to upgrade from a single core cpu to a dual core cpu...should I reinstall the OS? |
| 19:25.11 | srg | Carpe|Diem: Nah |
| 19:25.17 | srg | the kernel will detect it just fine |
| 19:25.30 | Carpe|Diem | alright |
| 19:25.31 | greycat | swapping the CPU and keeping everything else the same should not require any software changes unless you made a custom kernel or something |
| 19:25.42 | Night_Elf | Carpe|Diem: No, as far as I know. Just shut it down, modify the hypervisor parameters of vcpu, and start the vm again. |
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| 19:25.42 | srg | If the architecture changed, then yes, you'd have to reinstall |
| 19:25.54 | Carpe|Diem | I see |
| 19:26.02 | Carpe|Diem | there is no issue with smp etc...? |
| 19:26.16 | greycat | the default Debian kernels are SMP-enabled |
| 19:26.33 | Night_Elf | Carpe|Diem: I guess the kernel is default smp enabled these days. |
| 19:26.37 | Carpe|Diem | okay |
| 19:26.38 | Carpe|Diem | fine |
| 19:26.43 | Carpe|Diem | lovely :) |
| 19:26.56 | Carpe|Diem | same goes for upgrade memory? thats also dynamic? |
| 19:27.01 | greycat | yes |
| 19:27.06 | Carpe|Diem | okay |
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| 19:27.07 | Carpe|Diem | thx |
| 19:27.10 | Carpe|Diem | thats good :) |
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| 19:28.26 | nander | alert: /dev/disk/by-uuid/ .......does not exist. Dropping to shell |
| 19:28.40 | nander | This after installing fglrx |
| 19:28.56 | shay_shay | baegle: but if you try to install hexchat without -t wheezy a backports i think it will try and complain about unsolvable dependencies ... that's because the application doesn't exist in wheezy but older versions of the dependencies do |
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| 19:29.13 | baegle | shay_shay: got it, thanks |
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| 19:29.30 | baegle | I'm gonna learn the backports way of doing things instead of trying grab a pinned package from testing |
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| 19:30.54 | celia_ | anyone has any experience with Intel 855GM and being able to make the xserver-xorg-video-intel driver work? |
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| 19:33.51 | juanpi | teraflop, no, it did not owrk with ifconfig |
| 19:33.51 | juanpi | dmesg say |
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| 19:33.57 | juanpi | ipw2200: Firmware error detected. Restarting. |
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| 19:34.04 | juanpi | ipw2200: Failed to up device |
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| 19:34.26 | juanpi | teraflop, no, it did not owrk with ifconfig dmesg says that |
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| 19:34.42 | teraflop | juanpi: nice. Look at dmesg for the error |
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| 19:34.56 | juanpi | teraflop, , ipw2200: Firmware error detected. Restarting. |
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| 19:35.07 | juanpi | teraflop, ipw2200: Failed to up device |
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| 19:35.28 | juanpi | teraflop, so I had to rmmod and modprobe ipw2200 |
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| 19:37.53 | nander | Lol, on my desk: on my left: a server refusing to boot (debian, now updating), on my right a laptop refusing to boot |
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| 19:38.09 | nander | The laptop was an attempt to upgrade from crunchbang waldorf to jessie |
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| 19:38.39 | teraflop | juanpi: im out of ideas. Perhaps a modinfo to see what options the driver has and search/play with them |
| 19:39.06 | juanpi | teraflop, thanks, do you think the rule is a bad solution, then? |
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| 19:39.29 | nander | The laptop displays the please just reinstall screen: it dropped to the initramfs prompt |
| 19:39.41 | teraflop | juanpi: just try it and see i suppose |
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| 19:39.50 | nander | I wanted to study today, but appearently it's system fixing day |
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| 19:41.44 | rf0x | nander: the gods don`t agree |
| 19:42.18 | nander | Yeeha, small victory, my server no longer needs it's usb stick for gru |
| 19:42.19 | nander | grub* |
| 19:42.32 | nander | Which means I can install a live OS on that stick |
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| 19:42.43 | nander | The server nearly works |
| 19:43.02 | nander | It doesn't want to initialize my lvm, but other than that it works |
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| 19:49.23 | juanpi | what do I have to do after editing /etc/rc.local for this rules to become effective? |
| 19:49.34 | greycat | reboot? |
| 19:49.51 | greycat | actually, I'm not sure if rc.local still works in jessie |
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| 19:50.57 | stockholm | hi, i upgraded an old notebook to jessie today, and chose lxdm as a desktop environment. But once i log in on the graphical user interface, the screen turns black, blinks a few times, and comes back to the login screen. I created a new user to simplyfy the scenario. same problem. .xsession-errors is empty. i have found a logfile in /var/log/lightdm/lightdm.log |
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| 19:51.35 | stockholm | that does contain a little info, but not a lot. it basically logs a problem once everything happend. |
| 19:51.47 | juanpi | greycat, and how do I set these kind of rules? |
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| 19:52.16 | greycat | I don't know what you're talking about. rc.local is a shell script that is executed at boot time, after all of the normal sysvinit stuff, on wheezy. It just runs. Once. That's it. |
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| 19:53.05 | stockholm | journalctl shows an g_dbus_connection_real_closed error. but that is not the error itself, either |
| 19:53.16 | stockholm | that is just a follow up |
| 19:53.31 | juanpi | greycat, oh, I am trying to achieve a fix...when I get the problem discussed earlier I found that rmmod and modprobe ipw2200 recovers the connection. It is not ideal, but it will give me continuity while I find a solution |
| 19:53.37 | stockholm | how can i track this down? |
| 19:53.39 | greycat | It's normally used for "I want this daemon that I installed in /usr/local to run at boot time, but I don't care enough to set it up as a managed service or to learn update-rc.d crap." |
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| 19:54.08 | greycat | juanpi: rc.local is NOT a thing that triggers at various times in reaction to events. |
| 19:54.21 | juanpi | :( |
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| 19:55.42 | greycat | Are you trying to automate it, so that it'll run rmmod/modprobe automatically after you lose connectivity for X seconds, where connectivity is defined by pinging something, or fetching an HTTP thing, etc.? |
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| 19:56.26 | bmoar | is there any way to use sftp with ssh keys to install packages from an apt server? ssh://<user>@<server> works fine but I'd like to use sftp and use a chroot |
| 19:56.36 | juanpi | is looking at modinfo ipw2200 |
| 19:56.45 | juanpi | teraflop, would you knwowhat this is? qos_burst_enable:enable QoS burst mode (int) |
| 19:56.57 | cryingfreeman | Dependency hell has really destroyed my evening when installing a server with FAI. Security update for among other things libmysqlclient18... http://paste.debian.net/plain/170304 What can I do? |
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| 19:57.55 | stockholm | http://pastebin.com/EQsYFYMV here are some logfile sipplets about the lxde problem |
| 19:58.08 | SPF|Cloud | Hi, I'm trying to upgrade my wheezy vps to jessie, but I keep getting stuck at the initscripts package: http://paste.debian.net/170303/ any thoughts? |
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| 19:58.34 | stockholm | btw, if i log in as a user on the console i can startx the desktop environment as a user |
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| 19:59.40 | stockholm | is there a good channel for lxde where i can ask about this? |
| 20:00.35 | srg | stockholm: #lxde |
| 20:00.44 | rf0x | SPF|Cloud: insserv is for sysinitv i think |
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| 20:00.58 | rf0x | jessie uses systemd now |
| 20:01.36 | SPF|Cloud | Okay, so what can I do now? apt-get is broken too |
| 20:02.22 | rf0x | why is it broken? how did it get broken? |
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| 20:03.11 | rf0x | to update, all you need to do is update your /etc/apt/sources.list and run a dist-upgrade |
| 20:03.16 | rf0x | at least, that`s what worked for me |
| 20:03.22 | SPF|Cloud | I'm trying that too |
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| 20:03.47 | greycat | I'm not doing that until I'm damned sure jessie can run on my VPS's archaic kernel. |
| 20:03.59 | rf0x | greycat: what kernel? |
| 20:04.09 | greycat | 2.6.32-042stab090.5 |
| 20:04.23 | rf0x | interesting... what is the reason? |
| 20:04.27 | teraflop | Itll run. Why not? |
| 20:04.29 | SPF|Cloud | but apparently everytime I use apt-get dist-upgrade, it errors out somehow: http://paste.debian.net/170305/ |
| 20:04.34 | greycat | Because that's what the VPS provider uses? |
| 20:04.42 | srg | Yeah, my VPS wont let me upgrade the kernel either. I'm running Stretch on the VPS kernel and it's working fine |
| 20:04.50 | rf0x | lol, compile it yourself and be done with it |
| 20:04.55 | juanpi | greycat, so you think the reponse of Egi_Power in this forum is wrong? http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1154721.html |
| 20:04.59 | greycat | It's one of those setups where everyone is sharing the same kernel. |
| 20:05.09 | juanpi | greycat, he suggest to edit rc.local to fix the issue and others say it works |
| 20:05.11 | teraflop | greycat: nah. Openvz does not work that way |
| 20:05.19 | SPF|Cloud | This is my sources.list http://paste.debian.net/170306/ |
| 20:05.44 | srg | rf0x: wont work, you can completely uninstall the kernel and it still boots the VPS kernel |
| 20:06.35 | rf0x | depends on the vps provider, but ok i see the problem |
| 20:06.48 | juanpi | grayraven, here is marked as "won't fix" |
| 20:06.49 | juanpi | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/301694 |
| 20:06.53 | greycat | juanpi: well, I don't know what that's supposed to achieve, but it brings the interface down and backup ONCE at BOOT time, not when a problem occurs. |
| 20:07.11 | juanpi | greycat, I understand, so the answer is wrong |
| 20:07.26 | juanpi | greycat, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/301694 here is marked as "won't fix" |
| 20:07.27 | greycat | I don't know. |
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| 20:07.42 | rf0x | SPF|Cloud: can you run apt-get update? |
| 20:07.48 | greycat | Do you ever need to down/up the interface more than once between reboots? |
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| 20:08.25 | SPF|Cloud | rf0x: yes, without any errors, do you want its output? |
| 20:09.02 | juanpi | greycat, everytime the kworker eats my cpu, which happens after I get |
| 20:09.08 | juanpi | ipw2200: Failed to send ASSOCIATE: Already sending a command. |
| 20:09.25 | greycat | I know nothing about this. I've never used wireless under Linux in my life. |
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| 20:09.42 | juanpi | greycat, thx |
| 20:09.42 | ioudas^work | neat in debian 8 ejabberd cant even be installed via apt |
| 20:10.02 | greycat | But if you need something that'll down/up the interface periodically, or in response to events, or to ping-poll some external box, then you COULD write a daemon to do that. |
| 20:10.13 | lae | does debian's preseed support partitioning multiple physical disks without hacking away at preseed/late_command in jessie? |
| 20:10.14 | greycat | And you COULD launch that daemon from rc.local if you're on a platform where rc.local still works. |
| 20:10.28 | greycat | But what they showed is not a continuous monitoring of any kind. |
| 20:10.37 | rf0x | SPF|Cloud: i`m not sure this will work, but try the old wheezy version of sources.list, run apt-get update and apt-get -f install, hopefully get rid of that stupid error and then try to upgrade to jessie again with jessie sources.list |
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| 20:10.54 | SPF|Cloud | Sure |
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| 20:13.25 | SPF|Cloud | WARNING: The following essential packages will be removed. This should NOT be done unless you know exactly what you are doing! sysvinit |
| 20:13.34 | juanpi | same probolem here and in gentoo forums https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=125232 |
| 20:13.42 | juanpi | seems to be a firmware issue... |
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| 20:14.41 | rf0x | SPF|Cloud: ugh... you are caught in between distros somehow. in jessie the sysvinit is transitional and completely un-needed but... well, now i don`t know what to tell you |
| 20:15.02 | SPF|Cloud | http://paste.debian.net/170309/ |
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| 20:15.41 | SPF|Cloud | Luckily the system still works, as long as I don't reboot it I guess.. |
| 20:15.46 | rf0x | yep |
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| 20:16.11 | SPF|Cloud | The problem is: I can install a clean Debian 7, but not Debian 8 at all |
| 20:16.29 | \\Mr_C\\ | i used update-rc.d -f gdm3 remove in wheezy to keep the gui from loading at startup, but since ive put jessie on, it doesnt work, whats the proper way with jessie? |
| 20:16.46 | NoImNotNineVolt | why would a clean debian8 install be telling you anything about uninstalling sysvinit? |
| 20:16.50 | juanpi | anybody know how to change "WIRELESS_AP_SCANMODE"? it is suggested here https://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php/393838-ipw2200-Failed-to-send-SYSTEM_CONFIG |
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| 20:17.32 | rf0x | SPF|Cloud: sorry, not sure what to tell you anymore :/ |
| 20:17.46 | SPF|Cloud | No problem, still many thanks for your help |
| 20:17.49 | rf0x | NoImNotNineVolt: because jessie is on systemd now |
| 20:18.13 | teraflop | \\Mr_C\\: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=749374 |
| 20:18.14 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/749374 in gdm3 (open): «gdm3: Disable gdm3 service for systemd doesn't work»; severity: normal; opened: 2014-05-26; last modified: 2015-04-28. |
| 20:18.18 | SPF|Cloud | I guess I need to wait until I'm able to re-install it with Jessie, and I see what happens (backups are in place when I need it) |
| 20:18.28 | NoImNotNineVolt | rf0x: did you miss the "clean" part? |
| 20:18.36 | MalcomYork | Hey, I'm on Jessie stable with and intel 855GM gpua and trying to boot with kernel 3.2.0, which does not support intel-microcode. Is there a way to install a compatible kernel for my computer? |
| 20:18.45 | NoImNotNineVolt | jessie being on systemd now has nothing to do with the fact that a cleanly formatted partition has no sysvinit to uninstall. |
| 20:18.57 | greycat | MalcomYork: jessie has linux 3.16 not 3.2 |
| 20:20.07 | MalcomYork | greycat, I have upgraded from wheezy today and don't know why it kept the 3.2 kernel. Also, I noticed that I cannot boot jessie's installer because there seems to be some kind of bug in the current kernel which gives me CPU soft lockups |
| 20:20.30 | MalcomYork | greycat, I did try to install linux 3.16 but getting those lockups |
| 20:20.51 | greycat | you might need to issue a separate "apt-get install linux-image-amd64" or whatever |
| 20:22.26 | juanpi | teraflop, is definitelly this http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-networking/2008-07/msg00001.html |
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| 20:22.37 | juanpi | ipw2200 scans periodically...that's the problem |
| 20:22.37 | MalcomYork | greycat, I did, "apt-get install linux-image-486", but as soon as I try to boot with that kernel, I get the soft lockups. Do the backports offer a newer/older kernel? |
| 20:23.03 | rf0x | NoImNotNineVolt: https://packages.debian.org/jessie/sysvinit |
| 20:23.41 | teraflop | juanpi: ^^ |
| 20:23.54 | rf0x | if you don`t have sysvinit, ignore the message... continue life |
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| 20:24.09 | NoImNotNineVolt | rf0x: and sysvinit is installed by default in jessie? |
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| 20:24.19 | NoImNotNineVolt | rf0x: i didn't think so. so i'm not sure what you're talking about. |
| 20:24.39 | NoImNotNineVolt | it's not a clean install of jessie if there's a sysvinit that needs to be uninstalled. |
| 20:24.59 | innmalint | "mount: can't find /etc/fstab" I'm running a live USB trying to recover data by mounting an ntfs drive. Why is mount insisting my mount point be in /etc/fstab? |
| 20:24.59 | NoImNotNineVolt | a clean install of jessie implies that there is no currently-installed init system. not even sysvinit. |
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| 20:25.26 | rf0x | i think this is bothering you more than it should... dunno what more to tell you |
| 20:25.30 | greycat | "A clean install of jessie" would have systemd installed. |
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| 20:26.21 | greycat | and apparently... sysv-rc and sysvinit-utils but NOT sysvinit |
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| 20:28.04 | somiaj | During the upgrade process you will be left with a sysvinit package. This is transitional and can be safely removed (it dosen't mean sysvinit is installed). |
| 20:28.20 | somiaj | But that package shouldn't be there in a clean install. |
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| 20:28.37 | greycat | correct |
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| 20:29.04 | MalcomYork | greycat, I may have to downgrade to wheezy, because the main problem is that my intel gpu is not working with the 3.2 kernel and the current xserver drivers |
| 20:29.48 | somiaj | hmm seems it also contains a backup sysvinit in the package just in case your system doens't boot with systemd. |
| 20:30.19 | rf0x | problem solved |
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| 20:30.41 | juanpi | teraflop, what is AP in this context? |
| 20:31.23 | juanpi | aP=access point, ok |
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| 20:36.04 | juanpi | same ere with no solution |
| 20:36.05 | juanpi | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/352150 |
| 20:36.11 | juanpi | is a pretty stablea nd long lasting bug |
| 20:36.19 | juanpi | is it really firmware problem? |
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| 20:38.32 | nudoge | rbash isn't allowing my users to cd into ~/newdirectory |
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| 20:39.02 | greycat | nudoge: well yeah, that's what rbash does. |
| 20:39.28 | nudoge | I thought it prevented users from changing into directorys outside of the home directory tree |
| 20:39.30 | greycat | nudoge: see "man bash", in the section "RESTRICTED SHELL" |
| 20:39.31 | juanpi | teraflop, is there a netcfg profile in jessie? |
| 20:39.34 | nudoge | greycat: kk |
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| 20:39.53 | greycat | what you want is "chrooted users" but that's nontrivial to do, and mostly pointless |
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| 20:41.08 | nudoge | greycat: this is the longest man page I have ever seen |
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| 20:56.22 | teraflop | juanpi: nop, just use wpasupplicant by hand if you want but take a look if you have a network manager managing your nics and/or some dhcp-ish running |
| 20:56.53 | juanpi | teraflop, thx |
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| 21:14.16 | AR45 | What is the correct way to install Sublime Text Editor on Debian 8? |
| 21:15.34 | AR45 | I have downloaded the file from their website and can launch it perfectly fine after extracting it's content. However it doesn't function as if it's installed on the my computer. By this I mean I can execute it from my terminal and the application lives in my /Downloads folder. |
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| 21:21.19 | f31n | hi, i've got the problem that my provider disconnects me from time to time, that really sux actually because if i start a bigger import it happend that the pipe broke in that time, so my question is, does screen solve my problem? whats the default behaviour when i work in a screen session and i get disconnected? does it just minimize or does it get itself killed too? |
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| 21:21.55 | dondelelcaro | f31n: it'll just detach |
| 21:22.24 | dondelelcaro | (you might also want to check out tmux instead of screen) |
| 21:22.25 | f31n | dondelelcaro: awesome, thanks for that :) |
| 21:23.37 | dondelelcaro | (assuming we're talking about running screen on the remote system, anyway) |
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| 21:24.14 | f31n | yes we are, and i just read some pros and cons on tmux vs screen |
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| 21:26.36 | AR45 | f31n: Wrong approach. |
| 21:26.43 | bblindy | AR45: you should be able to move it to /usr/bin or /usr/local/bin |
| 21:27.14 | AR45 | bblindy: so you're saying move the entire folder to /usr/bin or /usr/local/bin or the files within that folder? |
| 21:27.40 | f31n | AR45: and whatâs the right approach? |
| 21:27.51 | rednan | Did something strange happen to UUID's ? |
| 21:28.09 | rednan | It can't find my UUID |
| 21:28.30 | rednan | Alert! /dev/disk/by-uuid/4af0e0fe.... does not exist |
| 21:28.51 | rednan | http://pastebin.com/rmB8Gu1N << Fstab |
| 21:29.04 | rednan | http://pastebin.com/0SAEiuDm << fdisk -l |
| 21:29.09 | rednan | Both from an ubuntu live usb |
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| 21:30.31 | AR45 | f31n: To not weigh pros and cons but rather evaluate the use case scenario; I wasn't online to see what you posted exactly but I can tell you you're better off learning the pros and cons of something by fiddling with it, as opposed to relying on someone elses thoughts. |
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| 21:31.52 | valdyn | rednan: new init system: theres plenty new bugs in booting "exotic" system configurations |
| 21:31.56 | AR45 | bblindy: the files within /usr/bin/ aren't in folders so I'll go with just moving the files contained within the folder |
| 21:32.40 | bblindy | AR45: what worked for me was extracting the files to a dedicated folder (something like ~/.sublime) |
| 21:32.47 | valdyn | rednan: is this encrypted partitions? |
| 21:32.55 | bblindy | and then symlinking it to /usr/bin or /usr/local/bin |
| 21:33.01 | rednan | valdyn, yes |
| 21:33.11 | valdyn | rednan: ok, im sure thats documented in the bts |
| 21:33.11 | rednan | It just won't ... work |
| 21:33.24 | rednan | Can you link the right tutorial? |
| 21:33.25 | valdyn | rednan: its not that uuids are gone or changed |
| 21:33.28 | rednan | I've tried just about all |
| 21:33.32 | valdyn | rednan: no, id have to google |
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| 21:33.49 | rednan | What are the right search terms? |
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| 21:34.12 | valdyn | rednan: theres probably a dozen bugs filed about this |
| 21:34.21 | rednan | Damm |
| 21:34.34 | rednan | I didn't see them when I read the release notes |
| 21:34.35 | valdyn | rednan: but i think im weakly qualified to find the right one for you, because i dont use anything like this |
| 21:34.39 | rednan | (skimmed them) |
| 21:34.54 | valdyn | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=759339 (probably not yours) |
| 21:34.55 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/759339 in systemd (open): «systemd-cryptsetup-generator: systemd-cryptsetup-generator fails to handle multiple encrypted btrfs volumes in raid1»; severity: normal; opened: 2014-08-26; last modified: 2014-08-26. |
| 21:35.13 | valdyn | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=768577 |
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| 21:35.14 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/768577 in systemd (fixed, fixed-upstream, upstream): «systemd-cryptsetup handles keyfile differently from cryptsetup on plain mode»; severity: important; opened: 2014-11-08; last modified: 2015-02-13. |
| 21:35.36 | rednan | so I'm screwed? |
| 21:35.41 | f31n | AR45: its about screen vs tmux, having a look on how other think of it give me an idea of what could be the better for my situation - for example i read more than once tmux uses less ressources than screen - so actually thats a pro i couldn't find out if i just used screen :) but yes you always need to make yourself an own idea about the whole situation ;) |
| 21:35.46 | rednan | The strange thing is: it used to work |
| 21:35.47 | valdyn | rednan: my google search "debian systemd bug cryptfs", i dont even know how the crypt system is called ;) |
| 21:35.51 | rednan | Until I installed fglrx |
| 21:35.55 | rednan | That triggered a grub update |
| 21:35.59 | rednan | Which screwed my system |
| 21:36.03 | rednan | At least, I think it did |
| 21:36.07 | valdyn | rednan: i dont know about that then |
| 21:36.13 | AR45 | f31n: Couldn't find out? |
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| 21:36.25 | AR45 | f31n: You are an engineer. Think like one ;) |
| 21:36.59 | rednan | So the support is just dropped? |
| 21:37.07 | valdyn | rednan: dropped? |
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| 21:37.32 | valdyn | rednan: what do you think is dropped when theres alot of open bug reports about this and similar issues? |
| 21:37.53 | rednan | keyscripts are currently not supported. So this is most likely a |
| 21:37.53 | rednan | duplicate of |
| 21:37.53 | rednan | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=618862 |
| 21:37.54 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/618862 in systemd (open, confirmed): «systemd: ignores keyscript in crypttab»; severity: important; opened: 2011-03-19; last modified: 2015-03-30. |
| 21:37.55 | rednan | Sorry |
| 21:37.56 | f31n | AR45: :) i will in the future ;) |
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| 21:38.08 | valdyn | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=779612 |
| 21:38.09 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/779612 in systemd-sysv,cryptsetup (open): «systemd-sysv,cryptsetup: systemd-sysv, cryptsetup should recommend plymouth; without plymouth cryptsetup prompts are unusable»; severity: important; opened: 2015-03-03; last modified: 2015-04-10. |
| 21:38.27 | rednan | Any workarounds found? |
| 21:38.35 | AR45 | f31n: I have never used screen but tmux is a very good terminal mutliplexer |
| 21:38.37 | valdyn | rednan: what dpkg said |
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| 21:38.51 | trilakin | ahh tis a wonderful day |
| 21:39.12 | rednan | I don't see any dpkg posts |
| 21:39.22 | valdyn | rednan: oh, its judd |
| 21:39.41 | rednan | How do I install plymouth on a system that's in this stage? |
| 21:39.55 | valdyn | rednan: you boot a livecd and use chroot |
| 21:41.39 | valdyn | rednan: this is a wonderful package for that purpose (but of course to late for that now) : grml-rescueboot - Integrates Grml ISO booting into GRUB |
| 21:41.40 | rednan | There really should be made a hotfix that at least warns users extremely well when they have cryptofs |
| 21:41.40 | AR45 | So another question arrives after doing a man of mv |
| 21:42.03 | AR45 | I want to move the contents of a directory to another not the directory containing the files itself |
| 21:42.08 | rednan | Because I've worked on this for at least 4 hours now |
| 21:42.19 | AR45 | I didn't exaclty see a way of doing that with 'mv' |
| 21:42.32 | valdyn | AR45: that awkward |
| 21:42.35 | AR45 | Is this possible |
| 21:42.52 | AR45 | or do I mv each 'filename' within the directory |
| 21:42.52 | valdyn | AR45: mv dir/* dir/.* /path/to/newdir/ |
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| 21:44.53 | AR45 | valdyn: http://paste.debian.net/170324/ |
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| 21:45.19 | AR45 | valdyn: Wait I think I see the rror |
| 21:45.21 | AR45 | Let me try |
| 21:45.40 | valdyn | AR45: mv is a weak tool |
| 21:45.53 | AR45 | valdyn: Nope nevermind ha ha |
| 21:45.55 | valdyn | AR45: the problem is * does *not* cover dotfiles |
| 21:45.56 | AR45 | valdyn: paste.debian.net/170325/ |
| 21:46.04 | wh0isthis | hi . whats is really the "KVM" encryption? is it FDE (Full disk encryption)? And what encryption does it use? |
| 21:46.07 | AR45 | let me see if there are any to begin with |
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| 21:46.46 | valdyn | AR45: those "errors" are not fatal i think, thats ok |
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| 21:47.08 | AR45 | valdyn: Turns out files were actually moved. |
| 21:47.15 | valdyn | AR45: right |
| 21:47.25 | AR45 | I did a ls -al but didn't find any .*files* |
| 21:47.35 | AR45 | Besides . nd .. |
| 21:47.41 | AR45 | Whatever those are |
| 21:47.45 | wh0isthis | sry i was talkign about "LVM" encryption for debian install |
| 21:48.02 | valdyn | wh0isthis: lvm is just a container |
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| 21:48.18 | valdyn | wh0isthis: its more versatile than partitions |
| 21:48.31 | wh0isthis | valdyn: it ask me, "do you want to use LVM encryption" <-what is that? |
| 21:48.57 | valdyn | wh0isthis: encryption on top of lvm I guess |
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| 21:49.11 | rednan | how do I enable plymouth? |
| 21:49.13 | wh0isthis | valdyn: so its not "Full disk encryption"? |
| 21:49.25 | valdyn | wh0isthis: nope |
| 21:49.37 | valdyn | wh0isthis: you cannot boot a fully encrypted disk anyway |
| 21:49.52 | wh0isthis | valdyn: ofc you can |
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| 21:51.00 | valdyn | wh0isthis: you can only with *another* disk that is not encrypted |
| 21:51.34 | valdyn | wh0isthis: *I* certainly dont know about any bios that supports encryption |
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| 21:51.46 | wh0isthis | valdyn: all you need is a "boot" partition |
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| 21:52.03 | valdyn | wh0isthis: thats not a fully encrypted disk then either |
| 21:52.05 | wh0isthis | valdyn: we are talking abotu some few MB |
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| 21:53.32 | neilthereildeil | i just installed trousers on debian, but i dont have the tpm_clear command |
| 21:53.43 | neilthereildeil | is there something else im supposed to install? |
| 21:53.52 | wh0isthis | valdyn: why not? |
| 21:53.56 | acz32 | do newer versions of desktop environments usually make it into backports? |
| 21:54.31 | valdyn | judd: versions gnome |
| 21:54.35 | judd | Package: gnome on amd64 -- squeeze: 1:2.30+7; wheezy: 1:3.4+7+deb7u1; jessie: 1:3.14+3; sid: 1:3.14+3; stretch: 1:3.14+3 |
| 21:54.40 | valdyn | judd: versions kde |
| 21:54.40 | judd | Package: kde on amd64 -- squeeze: 5:66 |
| 21:54.44 | valdyn | judd: versions kde5 |
| 21:54.44 | judd | No package named 'kde5' was found in amd64. |
| 21:54.50 | valdyn | judd: versions xfce4 |
| 21:54.50 | judd | Package: xfce4 on amd64 -- squeeze: 4.6.2; wheezy: 4.8.0.3; stretch: 4.10.1; jessie: 4.10.1; sid: 4.10.1; experimental: 4.12 |
| 21:55.01 | valdyn | acz32: see what judd said (no) |
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| 21:57.33 | rednan | Damm, it's still broken |
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| 21:59.39 | acz32 | looks like only window managers are backported |
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| 22:01.52 | rednan | It seems I really need to backup my data and call it a loss.. :( |
| 22:01.59 | wh0isthis | your distribution may ask you if you want fde while installling |
| 22:02.10 | ec52 | hey guys looking to move to debian from ubuntu, How stable is testing? (Would prefer a rolling release so I dont have to update every so often) and how is the compatibility with the nvidia blobs that might cause a few problems(Desktop of choice is awesome)? |
| 22:02.11 | wh0isthis | is there FDE option for debian 7? |
| 22:02.13 | rednan | This install seems to be pretty much borked |
| 22:02.33 | rednan | ec52, well, stable is currently broken as **** in a few cases, so... |
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| 22:02.50 | tremon | acz32: the traditional desktop environments are *huge*. Not just in amount of packages, but also in their dependencies |
| 22:03.21 | tremon | And especially gnome moves very fast, it's quite surreal to backport gnome with all its dependencies and still call it "jessie" |
| 22:03.57 | ec52 | rednan: interested in testing tho not stable :p |
| 22:04.05 | rednan | Just run xfce + tint2 + gmrun |
| 22:04.18 | rednan | It seems systemd was pushed too quickly into stable |
| 22:04.25 | rednan | It's still quite broken |
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| 22:06.00 | valdyn | rednan: btw, i nearly forgot: you can probably boot sysvinit |
| 22:06.03 | tremon | ec52: now is probably the worst time to switch to testing, as testing is at least half a year behind upstream releases. You should probably wait six months for things to settle down a bit |
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| 22:06.13 | valdyn | rednan: and you can *certainly* install it |
| 22:06.25 | rednan | I installed plymouth |
| 22:06.29 | rednan | But I really don't get what it does |
| 22:06.48 | valdyn | rednan: provides an interface for your crypt stack to ask for a password |
| 22:07.01 | rednan | I mean, how to set it up properly |
| 22:07.02 | valdyn | rednan: (of course you could have read that in the bug report) |
| 22:07.08 | rednan | sysvinit doesn't work either |
| 22:07.14 | rednan | The bug may be of a different kind |
| 22:07.26 | valdyn | rednan: so your issue has nothing to do with systemd |
| 22:07.59 | rednan | Then probable cause is a bug (among the giant bug it already is) in fglrx |
| 22:08.04 | rednan | That triggered it for me |
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| 22:09.01 | rednan | The UUID it keeps thinking it needs to go to isn't shown in ls -lah /dev/disk/by-uuid |
| 22:09.32 | valdyn | rednan: of course the real error is before that |
| 22:10.05 | rednan | I'm not certain it can even mount my /boot partition |
| 22:10.15 | ec52 | tremon: is there a page that tracks whats the package state of each version? |
| 22:13.24 | AR45 | Can someone explain this? |
| 22:13.24 | AR45 | http://paste.debian.net/170327/ |
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| 22:14.50 | AR45 | Sorry |
| 22:14.55 | AR45 | http://paste.debian.net/170328/ |
| 22:14.55 | AR45 | This! |
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| 22:16.33 | pakaran | Hi. I'm a longtime Jessie user. |
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| 22:16.49 | pakaran | At what time does it make sense to move to using the new testing distro? How stable is it? |
| 22:18.03 | bezaban | pakaran: in my experience wait a few months |
| 22:18.31 | bezaban | pakaran: at first it can be troublesome in my experience, but ymmw |
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| 22:21.45 | pakaran | bezaban, so if I go to it today, I should expect things to be messier than they were most of the time Jessie was testing? |
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| 22:22.07 | bezaban | pakaran: yes, the beginning of a new testing is more messy than when it moves towards stable |
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| 22:22.36 | bezaban | mid to late testing is pretty good for non-critical use |
| 22:23.35 | bezaban | I might have just been unlucky that the features I needed weren't in the early testing releases, but you should expect it to stabilize |
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| 22:24.34 | bezaban | so don't move unless you want something in new testing |
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| 22:24.42 | bezaban | ,tell me about testing |
| 22:25.18 | bezaban | whats testing called now? |
| 22:25.23 | bezaban | I read it once, but forgot |
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| 22:32.05 | rednan | Lol, it also states: modprobe: module ehci not found in modules.dep |
| 22:32.08 | rednan | Is that bad? |
| 22:32.20 | rednan | ehci-orion |
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| 22:38.51 | todoparaelbano | DEBIAN 8 |
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| 22:43.07 | shay_shay | waves |
| 22:43.20 | shay_shay | does the worm |
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| 22:48.26 | newbie4now | is anyone here running jessie with Mate 1.10? |
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| 22:53.23 | shay_shay | newbie4now: sid is only up to 1.8... you will be better off asking in #mate |
| 22:53.36 | newbie4now | i already did |
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| 22:53.46 | shay_shay | OK well just ask |
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| 22:54.34 | Canar_ | python3-six is failing to install in sid |
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| 22:55.14 | shay_shay | !tell newbie4now about just ask |
| 22:59.10 | Canar_ | https://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg1318103.html -- patches around it |
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| 23:08.39 | rednan | Fesh install time ;) |
| 23:08.39 | Sheraf | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:08.44 | rednan | I decided to give up my dual boot |
| 23:08.50 | rednan | Debian gets 256 GB of SSD space ;) |
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| 23:11.14 | shay_shay | rednan: good man |
| 23:11.29 | rednan | My crunchbang -> Jessie project failed |
| 23:11.43 | rednan | It's a pity, because I wanted to keep the settings, but still.. |
| 23:12.04 | rednan | I would have had a frankensystem ;) |
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| 23:12.52 | rednan | Lol, the debian 8 setup really looks like 2005 ;) |
| 23:13.09 | rednan | Which is a huge step up from 1995 |
| 23:14.18 | shay_shay | rednan: learn bash and just make your own config. you'll be much happier |
| 23:14.39 | shay_shay | pipe menus ftw |
| 23:14.43 | rednan | I tried learning bash |
| 23:14.47 | rednan | And decided I really really hate it |
| 23:14.54 | shay_shay | zsh then |
| 23:14.59 | srg | sh then |
| 23:15.05 | srg | (bourne) |
| 23:15.05 | shay_shay | ash then |
| 23:15.12 | shay_shay | ;D |
| 23:15.23 | rednan | WTF, language and timezone are linked? |
| 23:15.40 | shay_shay | no? |
| 23:15.42 | rednan | nvm, just skipped over it too quickly |
| 23:15.49 | rednan | It isn't windows ;) |
| 23:16.16 | srg | How can I ensure /tmp is cleared upon rebooting? |
| 23:16.20 | rednan | Does crypto work if you install from clean install? |
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| 23:17.15 | teraflop | srg: it is if you use tmpfs |
| 23:17.44 | rednan | just get more ram ;) |
| 23:18.12 | srg | hm |
| 23:18.17 | shay_shay | srg: you don't need to reboot you can write a cron job which finds files which haven't been accessed for e.g. 14 days and removes them... its all in "man find" |
| 23:18.20 | srg | well how can I do that? and will it cause issues with an encrypted lvm? |
| 23:18.33 | srg | I'd prefer to do it on reboot |
| 23:18.39 | srg | this is a laptop that gets rebooted multiple times a day |
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| 23:18.56 | rednan | Just add 16GB's of ram and put tmp on a filesystem in ram ;) |
| 23:19.00 | srg | In freebsd, there was a simple option that enables this |
| 23:19.04 | rednan | Problem solved entirely ;) |
| 23:19.08 | srg | googles |
| 23:19.18 | shay_shay | goggles |
| 23:19.27 | srg | duckduckgoes |
| 23:19.36 | rednan | uses bing |
| 23:19.51 | srg | psh, i'm the only one the NSA isn't tracking |
| 23:20.04 | rednan | The nsa does track duckduckgo |
| 23:20.19 | shay_shay | uses man and apropos |
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| 23:20.44 | srg | I use butterflies |
| 23:20.47 | srg | take that! |
| 23:20.51 | srg | getting off topic a bit |
| 23:21.49 | shay_shay | getting off topic a little is only really bad if the channel has other conversions going on |
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| 23:23.17 | rednan | Hmm, the partitioner stands still ... |
| 23:24.22 | shay_shay | what did you do |
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| 23:25.02 | shay_shay | I hate using d-i to partition, I use parted from command line |
| 23:26.04 | rednan | I asked it to setup crypto lvm |
| 23:26.49 | shay_shay | I am just a little OCD and parted allows me to say e.g. "parted mkpart ext4 1 501MiB" |
| 23:27.07 | shay_shay | to make a 500MiB partition |
| 23:27.11 | shay_shay | :D |
| 23:27.29 | shay_shay | and aligned to MiB |
| 23:27.42 | rednan | I got stressed, so I'm gonna play some bass guitar |
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| 23:31.25 | ZIPY | hi, i have a fresh installation of jessie, but i get a black screen after boot. i tried fglrx drivers for my ati hd 7870 |
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| 23:32.31 | ZIPY | i followed the instructions here: https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary#Debian_8_.22Jessie.22 |
| 23:33.18 | rednan | Is generating a crypto lvm a heavy task? |
| 23:33.23 | rednan | My computer is warming up |
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| 23:41.08 | rednan | it seems my computer is really stuck in this setup phase |
| 23:41.27 | rednan | Checking the ext4 file system in partition #4 of SCSI2 (0,0,0,0) (sdb) |
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| 23:48.50 | rednan | Lol, the guided partition manager is nondeterministic xD |
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| 23:50.53 | charachka | hi, I installed vim from the repos, but it has no python support. Looks like "vim-nox" has scripting languages support, if I install vim-nox will it override the "vim" I installed at first? Or will I get "two vim"? |
| 23:51.13 | rednan | snt.utwente.nl is no longer a mirror? |
| 23:51.27 | paradigm | charachka: not really |
| 23:51.37 | paradigm | debian does weird symlinky things so you only have one in your $PATH |
| 23:52.02 | vook | how would I build some third party modules (dahdi) against a non-running kernel tree (that I just finished compiling) ? |
| 23:53.05 | charachka | paradigm: so it's fine if I install vim-nox? or do you suggest I should uninstall "vim" and install vim-nox after? |
| 23:54.14 | paradigm | charachka: it's fine |
| 23:54.41 | paradigm | you might free up disk uninstalling the other vim |
| 23:54.48 | paradigm | but it's not really necessary to avoid breaking things |
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| 23:58.12 | newbie4now | is anyone here running jessie with Mate 1.10? |
| 23:59.05 | iWaldo | does anybody have a suggestion for logging changes that i make to a debian server? right now i'm just using a notebook to comment on what i've done |
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| 23:59.29 | fivetwentysix | iWaldo: chef |
| 23:59.30 | bazhang | ,v mate |
| 23:59.30 | judd | No package named 'mate' was found in amd64. |
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