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| 00:00.28 | vook | !acct |
| 00:00.28 | dpkg | [acct] The GNU Accounting Utilities is a set of utilities which reports and summarizes data about user connect times and process execution statistics. http://www.gnu.org/software/acct/ The 'last' command is provided by the <sysvinit> package. |
| 00:00.31 | iWaldo | fivetwentysix: wow, thanks man! this looks great (at least the paragraph i've read)! |
| 00:00.39 | fivetwentysix | iWaldo: np |
| 00:00.47 | fivetwentysix | hire us if you need help :D |
| 00:00.50 | iWaldo | this is exactly what i'm looking for i think! |
| 00:00.51 | fivetwentysix | newcontext.com |
| 00:00.52 | vook | iWaldo: ^^ |
| 00:00.58 | newbie4now | judd, mate-desktop-environment |
| 00:01.16 | Wegge | How do I catch a core dump from a process that's started by inetd on Jessie? |
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| 00:02.09 | fivetwentysix | iWaldo: the idea the system configuration becomes code that you commit to a repository (git) |
| 00:02.21 | fivetwentysix | thus logging your changes commit by commit |
| 00:02.29 | iWaldo | fivetwentysix: awesome, thanks. i'm not a sysadmin or coder by trade, but i'm working on a home server to play around with openCL |
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| 00:02.56 | fivetwentysix | iWaldo: interesting |
| 00:03.05 | iWaldo | i think i've got my GPU successfully passed through to a KVM |
| 00:03.36 | iWaldo | i want to segregate the bare bones server stuff (VPN, samba, etc) from the stuff that is going to get messy with VMs |
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| 00:03.43 | iWaldo | the bare bones stuff will stay host |
| 00:03.56 | fivetwentysix | but yeah if you want to be easy to repeat your server configuration Chef, Puppet, Ansible, etc will help you achieve that. |
| 00:03.56 | iWaldo | but anything that i want to screw around with and break will be on a virtual machine |
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| 00:04.05 | iWaldo | perfect! |
| 00:04.26 | iWaldo | i had to go back to my college days and start keeping a lab notebook haha |
| 00:04.31 | iWaldo | because i didn't know what else to do |
| 00:04.46 | fivetwentysix | glad i could help |
| 00:04.49 | iWaldo | but the more i thought about it, the more i realized that there must be a better way with software |
| 00:04.56 | iWaldo | also, does chef work with CLI only? |
| 00:05.05 | iWaldo | i'm trying to keep the server host machine headless |
| 00:05.25 | teraflop | newbie4now: mate-desktop-environment is 1.8.0+9 in stable ^ |
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| 00:06.04 | newbie4now | teraflop, i know but ther must be someone who is running jessie with mate-desktop-environment 1.10 |
| 00:07.58 | teraflop | newbie4now: theres no 1.10 in any debian repo including experimental |
| 00:09.12 | newbie4now | teraflop, perhaps a daredevil installing the *buntu 14.04 ppa ;) |
| 00:09.37 | acz32 | newbie4now: that person would be called an idiot |
| 00:09.51 | teraflop | newbie4now: good luck with that, but do not come here when your frankendebian just explodes |
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| 00:16.43 | fivetwentysix | iWaldo: yes |
| 00:16.50 | fivetwentysix | iWaldo: it's intended to work with servers |
| 00:17.20 | fivetwentysix | iWaldo: you may want to ask #chef for further support |
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| 00:17.57 | iWaldo | roger, will do |
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| 00:32.18 | centrx | Why does openssh-server depend on openssh-sftp-server? |
| 00:33.25 | bjk | centrx: maybe a compile time feature for sftp support |
| 00:33.57 | centrx | Good idea |
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| 00:37.58 | bjk | centrx: thats probably why i mean. the openssh-server was configured with sftp support. not sure why the packager(s) would split it from openssh-server. |
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| 01:07.14 | vector213 | :q |
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| 01:34.18 | iWaldo | anybody else getting a black screen after installing fglrx? |
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| 01:36.57 | aphorise | If I have 9685 swap and rearing 8900 could my application potentially hit a cap / crash? |
| 01:37.49 | aphorise | Just wondering if I need to re-adjust swap and restart app? |
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| 01:42.40 | lealezal | hi, how do I reinstall a package? |
| 01:42.48 | lealezal | (to fix problems) |
| 01:43.00 | Wegge | With 'AddDefaultCharset iso-8859-1' in both <Directory> and .htaccess, what could make apache send "Content-Type:text/html; charset=UTF-8" in the response headers? |
| 01:43.41 | centrx | lealezal, apt-get install --reinstall |
| 01:43.49 | lealezal | thx |
| 01:45.20 | somiaj | Wegge: can't a client request a characerset and not use the default? |
| 01:45.31 | somiaj | Wegge: I forget the details here, but I don't think the default has to be used |
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| 01:47.26 | Wegge | It wouldn't make sense for the client to request a specific charset. |
| 01:47.48 | somiaj | Wegge: Yea I could be getting confused, seeing what info I can find. |
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| 01:48.28 | Wegge | I've been all over the configuration, and I can's find anypklace where utf-8 is stated. |
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| 01:48.51 | Wegge | Nevertheless, http://hjemmesideskolen.dk is served with charset=UTF-8 |
| 01:49.05 | somiaj | Wegge: I did see an otion AddCharSet charset .html (so you can assoicate it with paticular file types, though the default should set this) |
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| 01:50.40 | somiaj | Wegge: have you greped for 'Charset' in the config files make sure there isn't something else overriding it? |
| 01:50.47 | nachos | Hi, I'm trying to use something similar to freebsd jails on Debian, I'm trying to use OpenVZ but its so outdated it wont with with my HVM setip. Any alternatives? |
| 01:50.55 | nachos | setup* |
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| 01:51.32 | Wegge | I'v grepped for utf :) |
| 01:51.46 | Wegge | Nothing outside -available |
| 01:52.40 | Wegge | Neither, when I grep for charset |
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| 01:53.02 | somiaj | Wegge: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=187415 found this, seems an php.ini file was overwirting things. Are you using php? |
| 01:53.23 | Wegge | There's some php down in the depths |
| 01:53.28 | Wegge | I'll take a look |
| 01:54.24 | somiaj | nachos: there are chroots but they are easy to break out of if someone gains root access. I thought there was some containers, but you say openVZ isn't supported anymore. |
| 01:55.27 | Wegge | somiaj, The charset in php.ini is commented out |
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| 01:56.03 | somiaj | Wegge: the comment says it must be set to an empty string, not sure if taking the default would to that. Again this may not be the issue, just something I found. |
| 01:56.29 | Wegge | Indeed it must be set explicitely. |
| 01:56.45 | Wegge | Thanks for the help |
| 01:56.51 | somiaj | nachos: seems there is LXC as well. https://wiki.debian.org/LXC |
| 01:56.56 | Wegge | ponders where to file this bug |
| 01:57.00 | somiaj | Wegge: glad I found the issue, seems liek a bizzar one. (: |
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| 01:58.14 | iWaldo | are there any known issues with virsh/qemu in jessie? every time i shut down a domain i have to reboot my host in order to get virsh to work again |
| 01:59.31 | somiaj | iWaldo: works fine for me (though Id on't use it that often). What does virsh do that is causing problems? |
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| 02:00.39 | iWaldo | somiaj: example: i install a new domain and it goes well. after the install it asks me to reboot the VM, which i do. at that point the VM is shut down (or at least the memory given to it by the host is freed), but no virsh commands will work |
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| 02:01.02 | iWaldo | if i reboot the host, the reboot hangs because it is waiting for virtualization services |
| 02:01.15 | iWaldo | if i physically power down and restart the new domain works perfectly |
| 02:01.22 | somiaj | iWaldo: by not works, they should be giving you errors. Look in logs and variosu places to find errors. |
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| 02:01.39 | iWaldo | the last thing in the qemu log is the message that the domain is stopping |
| 02:01.43 | iWaldo | no details are logged |
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| 02:02.06 | iWaldo | it just cuts off at the header of that section of the log |
| 02:02.20 | somiaj | iWaldo: increase the verbosity, VIRSH_DEBUG=0 virsh command will give you lots of output. |
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| 02:04.35 | lealezal | should "/usr/lib/" be in $PATH? |
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| 02:26.26 | gzcwnk | anyone about who can help with bind9 pls? I am trying to set a caching server and it wont run |
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| 02:30.36 | centrx | gzcwnk, Try ##networking |
| 02:30.47 | converge | my package system is broke, http://paste.debian.net/170368/ , I already tried dpkg --configure -a and apt-get install -f , but it didnt work. can anyone take a look ? |
| 02:31.13 | gzcwnk | I have it working in redhat7 so I suspect its a debian thing |
| 02:31.34 | somiaj | converge: is this the same issue inside the sid chroot? |
| 02:31.55 | somiaj | converge: and didn't we tell you it was a bug in python, look at the bts for bugs in python3.4, it is there. |
| 02:33.16 | converge | somiaj, Im looking for a solution, didnt find it yet |
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| 02:35.35 | somiaj | just follow the bug report. |
| 02:35.53 | somiaj | it may take a while, also realize sid can be extra broken in the next few months. |
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| 02:39.36 | cmhobbs | anyone know if it's possible to get java-1.7.0-openjdk on wheezy and/or postgres 9.2+? |
| 02:39.40 | cmhobbs | via apt |
| 02:39.44 | cmhobbs | backports, i assume? |
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| 02:41.16 | somiaj | ,v openjdk7 |
| 02:41.17 | judd | No package named 'openjdk7' was found in amd64. |
| 02:41.34 | somiaj | ,v openjdk-7-jre |
| 02:41.35 | judd | Package: openjdk-7-jre on amd64 -- wheezy: 7u3-2.1.7-1; jessie: 7u75-2.5.4-2; stretch: 7u75-2.5.4-2; wheezy-security: 7u79-2.5.5-1~deb7u1; sid: 7u79-2.5.5-1 |
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| 02:42.50 | somiaj | cmhobbs: opendjdk 7 is in wheezy. |
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| 02:43.28 | cmhobbs | somiaj, attempting to install it is problematic: http://paste.lisp.org/+35YO |
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| 02:43.45 | somiaj | cmhobbs: but looks like only 9.1 postgresql is in wheezy and I see no backports made. |
| 02:44.09 | cmhobbs | i can probably live with 9.1 for now |
| 02:44.17 | cmhobbs | or build later versions from source |
| 02:44.21 | somiaj | cmhobbs: 404 -- apt-get update (seems another security hole was found and your database is out of date) |
| 02:44.44 | somiaj | cmhobbs: well might not be to hard to backport 9.4 from jessie, (/msg dpkg ssb) |
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| 02:44.59 | cmhobbs | ok, updating now |
| 02:45.02 | cmhobbs | should've done that first |
| 02:45.04 | cmhobbs | thanks so much! |
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| 02:46.58 | somiaj | cmhobbs: some put it in a cron job so it updates regurally |
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| 02:48.04 | cmhobbs | that's a great idea |
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| 03:29.34 | zh1 | deb http://http.debian.net/debian unstable main |
| 03:29.34 | zh1 | deb http://http.debian.net/debian experimental are these correct for mozilla? |
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| 03:30.46 | somiaj | zh1: umm, those look very dangrous to have |
| 03:30.53 | somiaj | zh1: what version of debian are you running? |
| 03:31.18 | zh1 | somiaj, 7.8.0 but i am upgrading to 8 now |
| 03:31.38 | zh1 | i was fixing the sources list |
| 03:31.53 | dvs | zh1: if you are upgrading to 8, then the only lines you should have are the ones that refer to jessie |
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| 03:32.42 | centrx | unstable is not 8 |
| 03:32.50 | somiaj | zh1: if you had those lines in your sources.list you could have a fraken debian, which could cause issues during the upgrade. |
| 03:33.11 | somiaj | zh1: in gerenal only use the sources for the release you are tracking. |
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| 03:34.33 | zh1 | somiaj, i dont have those but in doubt if that one was the one, but guess not |
| 03:35.58 | somiaj | zh1: I'm just giving you a warning, if eerythign is still wheezy you are fine, and should read the release notes and prepare for the upgrade (and be prepared if soemthing goes wrong). |
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| 03:38.18 | zh1 | somiaj, if i change the sources list to jessie ones and do a update and dist upgrade will i be fine? |
| 03:40.17 | somiaj | zh1: one should read the release notes, and realize that third party stuff, and certain other things may cause issues. |
| 03:40.35 | somiaj | zh1: I cannot say what you have done to your system. But for the most part you should be fine. Just be preapred when y ou aren't |
| 03:40.50 | zh1 | ok im gonna backup just in case |
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| 03:40.58 | somiaj | the release notes cover many of the things you should think about before the upgrade. |
| 03:41.33 | wolley | did the wheezy repository name change? I got a broken debian after a dist-upgrade :( |
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| 03:45.10 | LMNOP__ | !topic |
| 03:45.25 | LMNOP__ | i wonder if that why it broked |
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| 03:56.49 | rootkea | When I was trying to install Debian Jessie, at one of the steps the installer asked me to choose a kernel: 1) linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64 2) linux-image-amd64 3) No kernel |
| 03:57.02 | rootkea | 3) is obvious but what's the difference between 1) and 2)? Which one to choose and why? |
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| 04:06.42 | somiaj | rootkea: very little difference, linux-image-amd64 is the meta package/kernel that points linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64 |
| 04:07.08 | somiaj | rootkea: so in essence you get the same kernel either way. The meta package can up upgraded to pull in newer kernel versions so during an upgrade the newer kernel is pulled in for you. |
| 04:07.27 | somiaj | rootkea: this really doesn't effect running stable (jessie) but could be ince when you upgrade at the next release. |
| 04:07.59 | rootkea | somiaj, so one should select metapackage. Right? |
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| 04:10.38 | somiaj | rootkea: it depends on one's needs, but yes I would suggest that one. |
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| 04:12.31 | rootkea | somiaj, thank you! |
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| 04:19.30 | zh1 | how cna i restart xscreensaver and xlockmore ? |
| 04:19.35 | zh1 | *can |
| 04:21.54 | somiaj | zh1: you can try to send the a restart signal if they listen to it. |
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| 04:23.26 | somiaj | zh1: kill -1 pid (where pid is the process you want to restart) -- not all proceses correctly restart, but many will listen to sigup and ignore it or restart |
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| 04:33.44 | AndChat|145641 | hi |
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| 04:34.43 | AndChat|145641 | please help me, i upgraded to jessie. now activity bar not appears in desktop |
| 04:35.15 | AndChat|145641 | and window manager is also not working |
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| 04:39.19 | AndChat|145641 | plz help me |
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| 04:41.42 | ryouma | to upgrade to jessie, do you remove wheezy from sources.list or can you keep both for a while? |
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| 04:46.17 | AndChat|145641 | no only jessie |
| 04:46.47 | AndChat|145641 | ya removed wheezy |
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| 04:47.00 | ryouma | thanks |
| 04:47.37 | ryouma | and i presume the choice of nonfree contrib, sources, etc. does not matter, but backports should be removed and also mozilla repo |
| 04:47.37 | AndChat|145641 | ryouma: i'm not done dist-upgrade |
| 04:48.35 | AndChat|145641 | yes, mozilla removed, but backport is there, not removed |
| 04:48.52 | AndChat|145641 | ok i'll remove |
| 04:50.03 | AndChat|145641 | ryouma: need to remove multimedia? |
| 04:50.19 | ryouma | AndChat|145641: i was askin' just like you :) |
| 04:50.52 | ryouma | (all the people who would help are eating popcorn and watching us talk :)) |
| 04:51.31 | AndChat|145641 | what you mean |
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| 04:53.31 | AndChat|145641 | Mmmm ok |
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| 04:55.13 | heurist | dpkg: tell ryouma -about wheezy->jessie |
| 04:55.49 | heurist | ryouma: you should not have both jessie and wheezy in your sources. you should probably keep backports, but change it to jessie-backports. |
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| 04:57.06 | r3m | ,v keybase |
| 04:57.07 | judd | No package named 'keybase' was found in amd64. |
| 04:57.23 | zh1 | dpkg: tell zh1 -about wheezy->jessie |
| 04:57.29 | AndChat|145641 | heurist: ok |
| 04:57.47 | AndChat|145641 | heurist, please help me |
| 04:57.55 | ryouma | heurist: thanks |
| 04:58.12 | AndChat|145641 | my new jessie not showing window manager |
| 04:58.19 | AndChat|145641 | close button |
| 04:58.32 | ryouma | heurist: it seems to say to run from a vt, i guess that will leave more memory for hte upgrade |
| 04:58.42 | AndChat|145641 | thn not showing activity bar in desktop |
| 04:58.51 | heurist | AndChat|145641: if I have answers to your questions I would have tried to answer. you will have to wait for others who might know about your specific issue |
| 04:59.17 | heurist | ryouma: no, the upgrade may kill your X session or your ssh session and then you are broken. |
| 04:59.24 | AndChat|145641 | heurist: ok |
| 04:59.58 | ryouma | reasonable |
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| 05:00.30 | orlock | Was there a change in the default apache configuration in the past month or two? |
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| 05:18.17 | rootkea_ | I am getting W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie/updates/main/source/Sources 404 Not Found W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie/updates/contrib/source/Sources 404 Not Found W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie/updates/non-free/source/Sources 404 Not Found W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie/updates/main/binary-amd6 |
| 05:19.01 | rootkea_ | I am behind the proxy. Is this due to the proxy or there is something wrong with the Jessie sources |
| 05:19.03 | rootkea_ | ? |
| 05:20.11 | rootkea_ | I changed the mirror 3 times. But 404s are not gone |
| 05:21.26 | heurist | rootkea_: have you set the system up use the proxy? what do the proxy logs say? |
| 05:21.28 | valdyn | rootkea_: invalid sources line |
| 05:21.37 | valdyn | rootkea_: not bad mirror - fix your sources.list |
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| 05:22.26 | rootkea_ | valdyn, I just installed the Debian 8.0. I haven't changed the sources. Those are defaults. Am I missing something? |
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| 05:22.44 | rootkea_ | I did changed the mirrors |
| 05:22.56 | valdyn | rootkea_: in an important way |
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| 05:23.04 | valdyn | rootkea_: that makes the line invalid |
| 05:23.58 | valdyn | rootkea_: show us your sources.list if you cant figure it out... |
| 05:25.35 | rootkea_ | valdyn, here is my sources.list http://paste.debian.net/170387 |
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| 05:27.24 | valdyn | rootkea_: line 8 and 9 need "ftp.us" replaced by "security" |
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| 05:28.27 | Computer_Barf1 | is there a way to list the applications that are available from a debian source? |
| 05:28.57 | rootkea_ | valdyn, ok! Trying that now. |
| 05:29.35 | heurist | dpkg: tell Computer_Barf1 -about which repo |
| 05:29.53 | heurist | Computer_Barf1: or look at https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
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| 05:32.02 | valdyn | rootkea_: you also need to remove the trailing debian from security.debian.org , same lines |
| 05:32.03 | rootkea_ | valdyn, W: Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie/updates/main/source/Sources 404 Not Found W: Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie/updates/contrib/source/Sources 404 Not Found W: Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie/updates/non-free/source/Sources 404 Not Found W: Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie/updates/main/binary-a |
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| 05:32.23 | rootkea_ | Here is my changed sources.list http://paste.debian.net/170388 |
| 05:32.45 | valdyn | see what i just said and :"deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free" |
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| 05:34.17 | badbodh | hello. i am new on debian. i can't find settings for laptop-lid. when i close it, laptop sleeps. i only want to turn off the screen. |
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| 05:34.49 | badbodh | gnome tweak tool usually has those settings but none of that in my case |
| 05:35.04 | badbodh | System: Host debian-lenovo Kernel 3.16.0-4-amd64 x86_64 (64 bit) Desktop Gnome 3.14.2 |
| 05:35.04 | badbodh | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:41.30 | rootkea_ | valdyn, it's working now! But how did you figure it out? I mean is there any model/standard sources.list for Jessie? |
| 05:41.56 | rootkea_ | I couldn't found any. I just could find debian mirros |
| 05:42.10 | rootkea_ | *mirrors |
| 05:42.49 | rootkea_ | How to change the mirror without messing it up like I did? |
| 05:42.52 | valdyn | rootkea_: your security line has only one way to be |
| 05:43.26 | valdyn | rootkea_: and you just dont change mirror on that |
| 05:43.30 | heurist | dpkg: tell rootkea_ -about sources.list |
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| 05:48.23 | rootkea_ | valdyn, so we change mirror for jessie (first2 lines), jessie-updates(deb and deb-src), jessie-backports (deb and deb-src). Right? Leaving security.debian.org (deb and deb-src) as it is. Right? |
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| 05:53.46 | rootkea_ | How to chnage the system wide proxy instead of setting proxy for each utility using their rc files (wgetrc, apt.conf etc)? |
| 05:54.25 | badbodh | rootkea_: systemwide you need to add http_proxy in /etc/environment |
| 05:54.44 | badbodh | also https_proxy and ftp_proxy if needed |
| 05:54.59 | rootkea_ | I am aware of /etc/environment, setting http_proxy environment variable and then exporting, editing bashrc. which way is the recommended way? |
| 05:55.29 | badbodh | that ^^ |
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| 05:56.13 | rootkea_ | badbodh, ok /etc/environment it is then. |
| 05:56.17 | badbodh | don't even have to export in bashrc. just type http_proxy="blah blah" in environment and reboot |
| 05:57.08 | badbodh | for apt-get you can set a different proxy by creating a text file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ folder |
| 05:57.46 | badbodh | here syntax is Acquire::http::proxy "blah blah"; |
| 05:58.32 | badbodh | don't forget semi colon at the end |
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| 05:59.15 | rootkea_ | badbodh, /etc/environment will work right? Instead of .../apt.conf.d/foo ? |
| 05:59.54 | badbodh | yeah sure /etc/environment works for anythng |
| 06:00.01 | badbodh | apt.conf.d stuff is optional |
| 06:00.52 | badbodh | in case you want different proxies for downloading software and web surfing |
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| 06:01.55 | rootkea_ | badbodh, I just fond out. It's not. after deleting apt.conf and setting /etc/environment apt-get says Err http://ftp.de.debian.org jessie Release.gpg Could not resolve 'ftp.de.debian.org' Err http://security.debian.org jessie/updates Release.gpg Could not resolve 'security.debian.org' |
| 06:02.29 | rootkea_ | is there any definitve way to set the systemwide proxy from central location? |
| 06:03.00 | badbodh | can you open http://ftp.de.debian.org in web browser ? |
| 06:03.27 | badbodh | also show me your environment file in pastebin |
| 06:04.53 | rootkea_ | badbodh, Here is my environment file http://paste.debian.net/170398 |
| 06:05.24 | rootkea_ | And yes I can acess the ftp url in browser by setting the browser proxy to 192.168.6.254:3128 |
| 06:05.43 | badbodh | rootkea_: you need quotes |
| 06:05.55 | badbodh | http_proxy="....." |
| 06:06.48 | badbodh | put quotes, export and try again |
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| 06:09.14 | rootkea_ | badbodh, Not working. Here is my changed /etc/environment http://paste.debian.net/170399 |
| 06:09.21 | badbodh | also i think you need to reboot to make new '/etc/environment' functional, not sure but i always reboot after altering anything in root directories |
| 06:09.42 | rootkea_ | badbodh, ok rebooting |
| 06:09.59 | badbodh | rootkea_: also you don't really need those export line here |
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| 06:10.24 | badbodh | proxies will work without them if you reboot |
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| 06:12.13 | badbodh | remove those export lines, they belong in .profile or bashrc, not in environment |
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| 06:13.03 | rootkea | badbodh, Still apt-get says Err http://ftp.de.debian.org jessie Release.gpg Could not resolve 'ftp.de.debian.org' Err http://security.debian.org jessie/updates Release.gpg Could not resolve 'security.debian.org' |
| 06:13.32 | rootkea | have removed the export lines too |
| 06:13.36 | badbodh | even after reboot? |
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| 06:13.49 | rootkea | Yes. Just rebooted the system. |
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| 06:14.35 | rootkea | Can you please confirm on your end if possible? |
| 06:14.46 | badbodh | lemme see |
| 06:14.46 | rootkea | as it's not working on mine |
| 06:15.01 | badbodh | i always do that, works on any linux distro |
| 06:15.35 | rootkea | Have anything changed system proxy specific in Jessie? |
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| 06:16.11 | badbodh | the only trivial thing i can see is https_proxy="http://..../" |
| 06:16.23 | badbodh | that should match |
| 06:16.35 | badbodh | http_proxy="http://...." |
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| 06:16.46 | badbodh | https_proxy="https://....." |
| 06:16.58 | badbodh | ftp_proxy="ftp://...." |
| 06:18.10 | valdyn | rootkea: why is your name resolution broken? |
| 06:18.29 | valdyn | rootkea: does this work *without* proxy? |
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| 06:20.09 | badbodh | rootkea_: http://paste.debian.net/170400/ |
| 06:20.15 | badbodh | my environment file^^ |
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| 06:22.33 | rootkea_ | badbodh, new environment file http://paste.debian.net/170402/ |
| 06:22.46 | rootkea_ | badbodh, You using Jessie? |
| 06:22.52 | badbodh | perfect |
| 06:22.56 | badbodh | yes |
| 06:23.23 | rootkea_ | Then why it's not working on my end? |
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| 06:23.45 | darxmurf | hi all |
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| 06:24.43 | badbodh | rootkea_: your proxy is now all set, problem is elsewhere |
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| 06:26.49 | badbodh | [11:12:32] <badbodh> hello. i am new on debian. i can't find settings for laptop-lid. when i close it, laptop sleeps. i only want to turn off the screen. |
| 06:26.49 | badbodh | [11:13:04] <badbodh> gnome tweak tool usually has those settings but none of that in my case |
| 06:27.17 | badbodh | i got problem too^^ |
| 06:27.19 | badbodh | anyone? |
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| 06:29.48 | badbodh | rootkea_: if you can open security.debian.org in your web browser, i don't see any reason that apt-get cannot connect |
| 06:30.28 | badbodh | rebooting makes the /etc/environment functional |
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| 06:42.49 | rootkea | badbodh, Here is my apt.conf http://paste.debian.net/170404/. When I put it in /etc/apt/ apt-get works well but wen I rm .../apt.conf and use /etc/environment apt-get says Err http://security.debian.org jessie/updates Release.gpg Could not resolve 'security.debian.org' Err http://ftp.de.debian.org jessie Release.gpg Could not resolve 'ftp.de.debian.org' |
| 06:43.29 | rootkea | my /etc/environment http://paste.debian.net/170402 |
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| 06:57.11 | tdn | Why did python-pycentral disappear in debian 8.0? |
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| 06:58.16 | tdn | I have a few python programs that I have packaged as debian packages and I use pycentral to manage these (plugin based programs). What do I have to use instead of pycentral? |
| 06:59.06 | DalekSec | Those helpers have been warning you for a while to upgrade to dh_python2, and giving a link on how to do so. |
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| 07:00.58 | jjavaholic | on apt-get install xorg I get an E: unable to locate package xorg what is likely going wrong here? |
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| 07:04.45 | rootkea | badbodh, I figured out the problem! |
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| 07:06.09 | tdn | DalekSec, |
| 07:06.20 | tdn | DalekSec, ok. Will look into dh_python2 |
| 07:06.23 | rootkea | I was using $ sudo apt-get update and sudo does not preserve the environment variables `man sudo`. To preserve the environment variables (/etc/environment) do $ visudo and |
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| 07:06.36 | DalekSec | tdn: https://wiki.debian.org/Python/TransitionToDHPython2 |
| 07:07.02 | rootkea | the add Defaults env_keep += "http_proxy https_proxy ftp_proxy" in that file (/etc/sudoers file) |
| 07:07.23 | rootkea | source : https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Proxy_settings |
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| 07:09.26 | redstonecraftpl | Hi |
| 07:09.52 | redstonecraftpl | Can i upgrade mine debian 7.7 to jessie without downloading iso's? |
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| 07:10.52 | ipv6_problems | i am trying to convert ipv4 iptables rules to ipv6 rules and am having trouble. https://bpaste.net/show/61fc9f4090ee does not seem to work |
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| 07:12.24 | heurist | redstonecraftpl: you do not need a iso. follow the instructions on in the release notes. |
| 07:12.37 | heurist | dpkg: tell redstonecraftpl -about wheezy->jessie |
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| 07:13.28 | redstonecraftpl | thx |
| 07:14.21 | badbodh | rootkea: yay! didn't know you were sudoing on debian. i just go su, so never faced that problem |
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| 07:16.27 | badbodh | hello. i am new on debian. i can't find settings for laptop-lid. when i close it, laptop sleeps. i only want to turn off the screen. |
| 07:16.39 | badbodh | gnome tweak tool usually has those settings but none of that in my case |
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| 07:16.45 | badbodh | can anyone help? |
| 07:17.15 | rootkea | badbodh, Isn't that a bit too risky (being root always) and thus strongly discoutraged? ;) |
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| 07:18.35 | badbodh | i think that's for the babies |
| 07:18.53 | rootkea | badbodh, well said! :D |
| 07:19.03 | badbodh | m too old for that sudo thingy |
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| 07:21.48 | redstonecraftpl | i use sudo su ;D |
| 07:22.24 | badbodh | ...why? |
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| 07:25.02 | ipv6_problems | i am trying to convert ipv4 iptables rules to ipv6 rules and am having trouble. https://bpaste.net/show/61fc9f4090ee does not seem to work |
| 07:25.54 | ipv6_problems | redstonecraftpl: su is probably your best bet security wise. ssh into the basic user account and then su that way. no account I have has sudo access, and for good reason |
| 07:26.52 | __mek__ | Howdy folks, X suddenly stopped working for me. Hard for me to pinpoint why. I was trying to get SCIM working with stumpwm. I removed my .xinitrc thinking that might fix the issue but no luck -- XLIB:OPEN-DISPLAY: Cannot open display ":0". Any recommendations? |
| 07:26.53 | heurist | ipv6_problems: su requires the user to know the root password, which has its own issues. |
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| 07:27.51 | __mek__ | I have since tried to reconfigure xorg via dpkg (seems like I'm stuck in single user mode, neither gdm or anything x related appears to be running) |
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| 07:28.50 | ipv6_problems | any idea on the ipv6 issue? |
| 07:29.50 | heurist | ipv6_problems: maybe you forgot to specify the table you want to put the runes into, see -t in man ip6tables |
| 07:30.02 | ipv6_problems | runes.. ? |
| 07:30.37 | heurist | ipv6_problems: yeah, cryptic incantations. err s/runes/rules/ |
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| 07:31.37 | ipv6_problems | i just want to get https://bpaste.net/show/1087351eb409 this running but with ipv6 |
| 07:32.41 | heurist | ipv6_problems: what works? what does not? what are the errors you are getting? without details we can not help much. |
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| 07:35.10 | __mek__ | Any recommendations on troubleshooting? |
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| 07:43.24 | anddam | I configured my multimedia keys on keyboard by associating X events to them |
| 07:43.32 | anddam | how do I do something with that now? |
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| 07:43.52 | anddam | spèecifically I want to have vol+/vol- and mute working |
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| 08:22.08 | anddam | when I install a program with dpkg -i and it breaks due to a missing dpendency the package is listed as iu ? |
| 08:22.51 | thomson88 | use apt-get -f install to resolve missing dependencies |
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| 08:26.19 | anddam | it's teamviewer's deb " 64-Bit without Multiarch" |
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| 08:26.38 | anddam | that ofx broke on |
| 08:27.14 | anddam | "Package libc6-i386 is not installed." |
| 08:27.33 | valdyn | anddam: judd: versions libc6-i386 |
| 08:27.37 | valdyn | judd: versions libc6-i386 |
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| 08:27.38 | judd | Package: libc6-i386 on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.11.3-4; squeeze-security-lts: 2.11.3-4+deb6u5; wheezy: 2.13-38+deb7u6; wheezy-proposed-updates: 2.13-38+deb7u8; wheezy-security: 2.13-38+deb7u8; jessie: 2.19-18; stretch: 2.19-18; sid: 2.19-18; experimental: 2.21-0experimental0 |
| 08:27.49 | valdyn | !installit |
| 08:27.49 | dpkg | Your box does not come with every application, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 08:27.51 | anddam | while one'd think that a 64bit package "no multiarch" only used amd64 libs |
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| 08:28.03 | valdyn | anddam: thats wrong |
| 08:28.06 | anddam | how so? |
| 08:28.49 | valdyn | anddam: because files contained in a package just dont necessarily have to be of a specific arch |
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| 08:31.30 | valdyn | !i32 |
| 08:31.34 | valdyn | hmm |
| 08:31.36 | valdyn | !amd32 |
| 08:31.49 | anddam | what does then " 64-Bit" refers to near a package download link? |
| 08:32.03 | valdyn | anddam: thats a stupid text |
| 08:32.21 | valdyn | anddam: and they just mean "for debian/amd64" |
| 08:32.41 | anddam | ok but should I expect Debian's actual packages to be arch-specific if it's in their name? |
| 08:32.46 | anddam | valdyn: as general rule |
| 08:32.56 | valdyn | anddam: no general rule |
| 08:33.07 | valdyn | anddam: in the *special* case of amd64, yes |
| 08:33.43 | valdyn | anddam: but thats a *special* policy, not a general one that would apply to all possible past or future architectures |
| 08:33.47 | anddam | why is it special? |
| 08:34.11 | valdyn | anddam: because it applies only to amd64 and may or may not apply to different archs |
| 08:34.18 | anddam | I mean shouldn't I expect a "mips" package to specifically have MIPS executables in it? |
| 08:34.32 | heurist | anddam: you should not be using dpkg -i on real debian packages, use apt-get install and use the package manager as intended. if the package is not from the debian repositories then it could be anything. |
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| 08:34.38 | julius_ | hi |
| 08:34.44 | anddam | I'm referring to "valdyn | anddam: because files contained in a package just dont necessarily have to be of a specific arch" |
| 08:34.59 | anddam | heurist: yes that last part I got |
| 08:34.59 | valdyn | anddam: theres been various mixed architectures |
| 08:35.10 | valdyn | anddam: like sun64 |
| 08:35.23 | valdyn | anddam: or solaris, whatever you want to call it |
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| 08:35.55 | valdyn | anddam: debian/i386 also supports the "mixed mode" with a 64-bit kernel and 32-bit userland |
| 08:36.29 | anddam | ok |
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| 08:37.04 | valdyn | (and if amd32 would have been properly developed when the amd64 arch was created, then maybe it would have been used, because some programs are just faster in *that* 32-bit mode) |
| 08:37.26 | anddam | in the specific teamviewer context their "amd64" package is labeled "64bit no multiarch", this make me understand that the binaries where 64bit and the package itself was only depending on amd64 dependencies (in Debian repo) |
| 08:37.40 | anddam | was I wrong in understanding that? |
| 08:37.43 | julius_ | ive installed firmware-iwlwifi and rebooted but still on my lenovo t410 (quite old) the wireless interface is not detected. dmesg iwlwifi 0000:03:00.0: firmware: failed to load iwlwifi-6000-4.ucode (-2) but that file is in the iwlwifi package |
| 08:37.43 | valdyn | anddam: thats correct then |
| 08:37.49 | anddam | I mean that sounded reasonable |
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| 08:37.52 | anddam | ok |
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| 08:38.55 | valdyn | anddam: no multiarch: depends on libc6-i386:amd64, multiarch: depends on libc6:i386. Something like that. |
| 08:39.11 | anddam | valdyn: oh I see the subtleness |
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| 08:40.08 | anddam | so apt-get -f |
| 08:40.17 | valdyn | judd: dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r) |
| 08:40.23 | valdyn | julius_: dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r) |
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| 08:42.51 | anddam | thomson88: but -f won't install the dependencies of teamviewer, it will just remove teamviewer |
| 08:43.03 | anddam | should I install the deps by hand using aptitude? |
| 08:43.41 | anddam | if so how can mark those as non requested by me but just for dependency so when I uninstall teamviewer they can automatically be uninstalled as well? |
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| 08:44.24 | julius_ | valdyn, thx...was that needed in wheezy? |
| 08:44.32 | heurist | anddam: apt-mark auto package |
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| 08:46.50 | julius_ | what software do you use if you have a running postfix/fetchmail config that gets mails from a imap account and want to forward some specific messages from this account to another depending on content? |
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| 08:47.06 | anddam | it cannot find candidate for lib32asound2 (and I cannot either in debian, but I have libasound2) and this misterious "ia32-libs" |
| 08:47.30 | anddam | so when I proceed with "apt-get install -f" it just purge teamviewer |
| 08:47.34 | julius_ | andatche, ia32-libs is for 32bit compactivility. not sound related i guess |
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| 08:49.56 | anddam | there's a note in teamviewer install instructions about it, apparently "On newer 64-bit DEB-systems with Multiarch-support (Debian 7) teamviewer_linux_x64.deb cannot be installed because the package ia32-libs is not available anymore on these systems. In this case you can use teamviewer_i386.deb instead." |
| 08:50.22 | anddam | so I purged teamviewer amd64 and this cleaned libc6-i386 as well since I marked it as auto, nice this worked as expected |
| 08:50.40 | anddam | now I fetched the i386 multiarch package and I've already setup multiarch |
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| 08:51.09 | valdyn | julius_: i dont know |
| 08:51.21 | anddam | oh I see, I tohught "aptitude install -f" and "apt-get install -f" were equivalent, while they are not |
| 08:51.41 | julius_ | valdyn, ok thx. can i now do /etc/init.d/networking restart to get wireless working? |
| 08:51.41 | valdyn | julius_: it depends on your boot order anyway, and since systemd does alot of things earlier... |
| 08:51.42 | anddam | the former won't install missing deps on its own |
| 08:52.03 | valdyn | julius_: you have to reboot after that or load the module manually |
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| 09:22.45 | rootkea | Each time I start my system (reboot/ from shutdown) it strats with the minimum brightness. The vendor (Dell) logo then GRUB. All with minimal brightness. |
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| 09:23.20 | rootkea | I have to manually increase the screen brightness each time to propoerly see the grub menu |
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| 09:23.30 | rootkea | *properly |
| 09:24.12 | rootkea | Then after grub fsck message appears and then the brightness goes to its fullest automatically. |
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| 09:25.29 | rootkea | How do I make the system strat with the brightness of desired value? |
| 09:25.35 | rootkea | *start |
| 09:25.53 | moetunes | check the bios |
| 09:26.02 | rootkea | Without having to change the screen brightness manually each time. |
| 09:26.56 | rootkea | moetunes, I am afraid BIOS does not have anything apparently related to brightness. |
| 09:27.04 | SynrGy | you could echo an appropriate value to the appropriate thingy under /sys |
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| 09:27.15 | klys | acpi |
| 09:27.40 | rootkea | I installed Debian today morning only. Earlier I had Ubuntu which was just fine with the brightness |
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| 09:28.01 | SynrGy | ah |
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| 09:28.10 | SynrGy | explain 'just fine' |
| 09:28.10 | rootkea | klys, Will you plese ellaborate? |
| 09:28.12 | moetunes | rootkea: if it's before grub it should be something in the bios |
| 09:28.21 | moetunes | what else is there |
| 09:29.02 | klys | rootkea, find /sys/bus/acpi | less |
| 09:29.07 | rootkea | SynrGy, I mean I could very well read the BIOS menu. Even the vendor logo (just before grub) used to be well lighted |
| 09:29.20 | rootkea | *grub menu |
| 09:29.57 | SynrGy | and now? |
| 09:31.00 | rootkea | Now the system starts with the minimum possible brightness. The vendor logo then the grub. |
| 09:31.02 | rootkea | Then |
| 09:31.18 | rootkea | after grub fsck message apperas |
| 09:31.38 | SynrGy | what does the vendor logo brightness have to do with debian? |
| 09:31.46 | rootkea | And from that point onwards the brightness goes to its fullest automatically |
| 09:31.48 | SynrGy | it sounds like your BIOS has remembered a dim value |
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| 09:32.04 | SynrGy | that's nothing debian can do anything about |
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| 09:32.54 | SynrGy | maybe go to the BIOS menu and adjust it upwards with key? |
| 09:32.55 | rootkea | SynrGy, I don't know. But till today morning when I had Ubuntu it everything was well lighted but now it's not. So I think it's some configuration of Debian |
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| 09:33.43 | SynrGy | while i can believe the install precipitated the change, once it is changed, i can't imagine how debian (which loads *after* the vendor splash screen) could influence how bright it is at the BIOS screen |
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| 09:34.12 | SynrGy | so, it seems it got changed in the BIOS and persists across reboots |
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| 09:35.03 | SynrGy | it may be that debian coopts the brightness keys after boot, so pressing those keys after it is booted makes no difference to how the BIOS sees the brightness values |
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| 09:35.18 | SynrGy | which is why i suggest adjusting them from the BIOS menu instead |
| 09:35.28 | guy312 | Hi, i got MariaDB via repo on my Wheezy install, what to do if I want to upgrade to jessy which has mariadb already in repos? |
| 09:36.05 | klys | ,versions mariadb |
| 09:36.06 | judd | No package named 'mariadb' was found in amd64. |
| 09:36.18 | SynrGy | guy312: "via repo" <- third party? there is no support for upgrades from third-party packages to debian packages in general. |
| 09:36.35 | SynrGy | guy312: the safest option is to completely purge the third-party stuff and then reinstall from debian |
| 09:36.54 | SynrGy | guy312: of course you want to save any actual databases and configs first |
| 09:37.00 | guy312 | well, there was no *included* mariadb in wheezy.. |
| 09:37.12 | guy312 | but it is in jessy right now, or? |
| 09:37.27 | SynrGy | guy312: if you're talking about wheezy-backports, upgrading from wheezy-backports -> jessie should 'just work' |
| 09:37.30 | klys | upgrade, purge, and reinstall without a package (or via dpkg -x) |
| 09:37.56 | SynrGy | ,v mariadb-server |
| 09:37.58 | judd | Package: mariadb-server on amd64 -- sid: 10.0.16-1; jessie: 10.0.16-1; stretch: 10.0.16-1; sid: 10.0.17-1 |
| 09:38.01 | guy312 | but then I need to backup all databases and restore them seperatly, same with users or? |
| 09:38.05 | SynrGy | no. there was no backport |
| 09:38.40 | SynrGy | guy312: if it were me, that's how i would do it. can't even be sure that third-party packages and debian store stuff in the same place. |
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| 09:39.02 | SynrGy | guy312: nor if upgrading from one version to another involves some sort of upgrade of the database format |
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| 09:41.01 | klys | debconf would tell you that, on an upgrade. since you have repos, back your stuff up and upgrade, then check out dpkg -L mariadb-server. you can delete those files to restore your backup. |
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| 09:42.41 | guy312 | I will see, at least I will stay some weeks at wheezy for now |
| 09:42.55 | rootkea_ | SynrGy, a strange thing just happened. Electricity went off and my laptop abruptly got off(faulty battery). Then when I started the system the logo, GRUB meny all was well lighted as was the case with Ubuntu. |
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| 09:44.04 | rootkea_ | So If I properly shutdown/reboot the system the brightness is minimum for vendor logo+grub and if I abruptly put off the system(by cutting the power) the brightness is full from the start |
| 09:45.02 | rootkea_ | That means when Debian shuts down it changes something which is causing the problem. May I know what? and How to fix that? |
| 09:45.16 | rootkea_ | I am using Debian 8.0 BTW |
| 09:45.17 | SynrGy | rootkea_: it may be that prior to shutdown the ACPI values are being reset by debian. i don't know. |
| 09:45.32 | SynrGy | an acpi-support script is being run? |
| 09:46.07 | rootkea_ | SynrGy, sorry I am pretty new to Debian world! <n00b here> |
| 09:46.17 | SynrGy | guy312: why stay "some weeks at wheezy". what will change in some weeks? |
| 09:46.37 | klys | are you using sysvinit, upstart, or systemd |
| 09:46.38 | guy312 | SynrGy: more available time |
| 09:46.46 | SynrGy | guy312: ah. fair enough |
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| 09:47.21 | rootkea_ | klys, me? |
| 09:47.47 | klys | usually the shutdown kill scripts are symlinked from /etc/rc6.d |
| 09:47.51 | klys | yes. |
| 09:48.03 | SynrGy | ah. true. doesn't systemd have its own systemd-brightness service? |
| 09:48.18 | rootkea_ | I don't know. Whatever the default Jessie uses. I haven't chnaged a bit |
| 09:48.25 | SynrGy | systemd, then |
| 09:48.26 | rootkea_ | *changed |
| 09:48.44 | SynrGy | do: dpkg -l systemd-sysv |
| 09:50.11 | rootkea_ | SynrGy, It says systemd-sysv with version 215-17 |
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| 09:50.28 | rootkea_ | architecture amd64 |
| 09:51.20 | SynrGy | yup. well, it seems there is a service that saves the current brightness value at shutdown and restores it at boot. however, this only explains why it gets reset back to a sane value partway through the boot sequence, not why it goes to a dim value at the BIOS screen |
| 09:51.47 | SynrGy | i still think that's under the control of the BIOS and therefore would be changeable by booting to the BIOS screen and using the brightness keys |
| 09:52.03 | valdyn | many things are not reset on a warm reboot |
| 09:52.10 | klys | chmod -x /etc/init.d/systemd-sysv ? |
| 09:52.15 | rootkea_ | SynrGy, I tried that. No luck doing that |
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| 09:52.47 | SynrGy | rootkea_: "no luck" means what, exactly? does using the brightness keys in the BIOS menu not actually change the brightness? |
| 09:52.57 | rootkea_ | I can still manually cut the power off to see the grub in full/natural brightness but I don't think that's a cool way! |
| 09:53.10 | SynrGy | rootkea_: or does it mean it does change the brightness, but when you reboot after exiting the BIOS menu it doesn't preserve the value? |
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| 09:53.34 | SynrGy | rootkea_: or does it change the brightness, preserve the value after reboot from BIOS screen, but then go back to the old behaviour after booting debian? |
| 09:53.59 | SynrGy | rootkea_: or something else? |
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| 09:54.26 | SynrGy | rootkea_: remember, we're not in front of your machine, so when you say "no luck" or "doesn't work", we have no idea what you're seeing. |
| 09:54.29 | rootkea_ | SynrGy, It did. Grub menu too appeared with the increased brightness. But then when I rebooted the system properly the system started with the minimum brightness (again) |
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| 09:54.49 | valdyn | rootkea_: at which point does the brightness go down? |
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| 09:55.25 | rootkea_ | valdyn, from the very start. That is even before the vendor logo appears |
| 09:55.54 | SynrGy | rootkea_: do you notice the display dimming during the shutdown sequence? if so, when does that occur? |
| 09:55.56 | valdyn | rootkea_: thats after you reboot, but in debian? |
| 09:56.04 | rootkea_ | brightness keys are working properly in BIOS, in GRUB menu but every time I have to use the keys after every reboot |
| 09:57.12 | rootkea_ | SynrGy, valdyn : I didn't notice that. rebooting to see. |
| 09:59.11 | valdyn | /sys/devices/virtual/backlight/acpi_video0/brightness was already looked at ? |
| 09:59.25 | SynrGy | nobody looked at this yet, no |
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| 10:02.01 | klys | valdyn, do you know which kernel module the backlight aligns with |
| 10:02.34 | SynrGy | valdyn: incidentally, that seems to vary from system to system. mine has /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/brightness => 0 (which clearly isn't the true value of brightness :) and also /sys/class/backlight/intel_backlight/brightness -> 125 |
| 10:02.56 | SynrGy | valdyn: and no /sys/devices/virtual/backlight at all |
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| 10:06.09 | klys | I have three brightness values set to 0/7 |
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| 10:06.26 | valdyn | maybe /sys/class/backlight/ provides a unified interface |
| 10:06.37 | rootkea | SynrGy, when I reboot the system it presents a black screen with message saying "watchdog ..." I couldn't read it fully as it stayed there for a fraction of second. And then within next second the system is off. |
| 10:06.52 | valdyn | rootkea: ls /sys/class/backlight/ |
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| 10:07.00 | rootkea | But I can confirm that the watchdog message was having the full brightness |
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| 10:08.12 | rootkea | valdyn, it has 2 links acpi_video0 radeon_bl0 |
| 10:08.19 | cluelessperson | Hey guys, what's simplest way to start getting simple emails from outside? |
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| 10:08.28 | cluelessperson | webmaster@host.com |
| 10:08.41 | valdyn | rootkea: ok, that should be directories |
| 10:09.25 | valdyn | rootkea: directory/brightness should be read-writable, see what there is |
| 10:09.47 | valdyn | rootkea: a) if you can modify and b) if what you read from brightness makes sense |
| 10:10.00 | valdyn | rootkea: obviously it shouldnt be zero when the screen is bright etc.. |
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| 10:11.38 | rootkea | valdyn. acpi_video0 has 15 and radeon_bl0 has 255 |
| 10:11.55 | valdyn | rootkea: no need to tell me yet, play with it |
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| 10:12.26 | valdyn | rootkea: i cant do that for you or really help you with that. You need to see if the interfaces work properly, or which of those 2 works properly and which doesnt. |
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| 10:12.53 | rootkea | valdyn, so should I change those values? |
| 10:13.09 | valdyn | rootkea: thats part of "playing with it", yes |
| 10:13.27 | valdyn | rootkea: you cannot break anything there permanently, worst case you screen goes black and you have to reboot |
| 10:14.29 | valdyn | rootkea: "echo 15 > brightness" and similar |
| 10:14.49 | valdyn | rootkea: see actual_brightness, max_brightness |
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| 10:15.11 | SynrGy | yeah. it's confusing. different mfrs have different max values |
| 10:15.22 | SynrGy | some are 1-10, some max 100, some max 255 :p |
| 10:15.32 | SynrGy | er, 0-10 |
| 10:15.34 | klys | 7 here |
| 10:16.08 | valdyn | eeepc_wmi here and uh |
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| 10:16.22 | valdyn | maybe its loaded because i have an asus mainboard, but certainly no eeepc |
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| 10:18.03 | SynrGy | mhm. eeepc here |
| 10:18.17 | rootkea | valdyn, it says permission denied for both the brightness files. (Though I'm using sudo) |
| 10:18.24 | SynrGy | sudo doesn't do it |
| 10:18.31 | SynrGy | become root first: sudo -i |
| 10:18.40 | valdyn | rootkea: you work around that like this : "echo 1 | sudo tee brightness" |
| 10:18.52 | SynrGy | rootkea: the reason for this is, the 'sudo' command itself runs in your shell and redirection applies to that command *in your user's shell* |
| 10:19.10 | valdyn | rootkea: your > cant be sudoed |
| 10:19.14 | SynrGy | or that |
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| 10:19.30 | SynrGy | there are a few different ways |
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| 10:22.20 | valdyn | http://www.webupd8.org/2014/10/fix-brightness-getting-reset-to-very.html |
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| 10:23.20 | SynrGy | yes. but nobody explains why :/ |
| 10:23.46 | SynrGy | i've done a bit of googling around and haven't found any actual explanation of the mechanics of this problem |
| 10:23.50 | valdyn | thats why hes supposed to play with it |
| 10:24.02 | valdyn | his system has to *read* a zero, and later set a zero |
| 10:24.12 | SynrGy | yeah. as i said at the outset of this discussion, i knew we could work around it echoing something to /sys (probably) |
| 10:24.16 | valdyn | even though the current *actual* value is not zero |
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| 10:24.42 | SynrGy | sounds like there are multiple entities responsible for brightness and the left hand knoweth not what the right hand does |
| 10:24.55 | SynrGy | doeth ;) |
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| 10:25.09 | valdyn | roger_rabbit: that link wont help you completely, because the solution is a script that does not work in debian |
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| 10:25.36 | valdyn | oh, hes gone |
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| 10:27.02 | valdyn | this stuff is usually like this: 1) common spec 2) one actual implementation per device sold, one actual driver per device sold 3) one linux driver as per the spec with and endless number of quirks =/ |
| 10:27.19 | valdyn | (2 refers to windows drivers of course) |
| 10:27.53 | anddam | while I open the download panel in iceweasel and I then click the "Open Containing Folder" I get the GNOME file browser rather than LXDE |
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| 10:28.14 | anddam | is there an alternatives group for that? How can I make LXDE's one the default file browser? |
| 10:28.54 | SynrGy | valdyn: fun |
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| 10:31.34 | SynrGy | anddam: /win 3 |
| 10:31.37 | SynrGy | argh. sorry |
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| 10:31.58 | SynrGy | anddam: i was going to suggest looking at alternatives system, but it doesn't seem to be there. |
| 10:32.32 | rootkea | valdyn, after my range message I got disconnected. |
| 10:32.35 | SynrGy | anddam: i had opened a 2nd window to look for obviously named alternatives and apparently it hasn't got one |
| 10:32.42 | SynrGy | then forgot what i was doing :) |
| 10:32.52 | rootkea | Did I miss anything? |
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| 10:33.39 | SynrGy | anddam: i find it somewhat annoying browsers have a whole parallel config system outside of the standard one provided by the OS for file and application associations :( |
| 10:34.00 | SynrGy | anddam: so it may be you just have to use iceweasel's own config menus to change this |
| 10:36.32 | SynrGy | anddam: which one does this command open? 'xdg-open .' |
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| 10:37.20 | anddam | I use "open" for that, but both uses PCMan that is LXDE's default |
| 10:37.31 | anddam | I had already checked that's why I thought I was well set-up |
| 10:37.38 | anddam | so it's a FF idiosyncrasy |
| 10:38.05 | SynrGy | huh |
| 10:38.08 | SynrGy | yeah, probably |
| 10:38.44 | SynrGy | i mean, each package is supposed to register mime types, i think. and it may be that nautilus gets higher priority than pcmanfm. that was the line of investigation i was pursuing |
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| 10:39.01 | no_gravity | What is a good way to test internet connection quality and where problems with it come from? |
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| 10:41.27 | anddam | no_gravity: quality on average use? |
| 10:41.33 | SynrGy | anddam: how about: gvfs-mime --query inode/directory |
| 10:41.42 | SynrGy | anddam: gvfs is a whole other layer i didn't think of initially |
| 10:42.03 | anddam | SynrGy: unknown command gvfs-mime |
| 10:42.30 | SynrGy | umm, it's in gvfs-bin |
| 10:42.54 | anddam | I don't have any gvfs* in PATH |
| 10:43.02 | anddam | is that possibly sbin/? |
| 10:43.04 | SynrGy | yeah. you need to install it |
| 10:43.05 | SynrGy | no |
| 10:43.13 | SynrGy | it's in gvfs-bin and you haven't installed it |
| 10:43.15 | anddam | oh gvfs-bin was a packge name |
| 10:43.18 | SynrGy | yup |
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| 10:44.19 | anddam | the first entry for both registered and recommended application is pcmanfm.desktop |
| 10:44.42 | anddam | the third and last is Nautilus |
| 10:44.47 | no_gravity | anddam: well, on one of my computers the connection "feels" laggy. i would like to quantify this somehow. |
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| 10:45.19 | anddam | ping for response time, download big file for average speed |
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| 10:45.44 | anddam | no_gravity: but I don't know if there's a "user's diagnostic tool" for quality measurement |
| 10:46.47 | heurist | no_gravity: mtr might provide some insight. |
| 10:47.20 | SynrGy | anddam: so all i can think is if you started with gnome and used iceweasel and created a profile, iceweasel used the mime associations *at the time it was configured* and when you subsequently switched to LXDE, that's what it still remembers. :p |
| 10:47.26 | no_gravity | anddam: "ping -c5 google.com" gives me "5 packets transmitted, 5 received, 0% packet loss, time 4006ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 51.458/53.029/56.721/2.026 ms" |
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| 10:47.34 | no_gravity | anddam: now is that good or bad? |
| 10:47.38 | SynrGy | anddam: if that's the case, you could iceweasel --safe-mode or so to test the theory |
| 10:47.48 | SynrGy | any new profile created under LXDE should have the right default association |
| 10:47.54 | no_gravity | heurist: woops! that makes some window pop up! |
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| 10:48.38 | heurist | no_gravity: -t or --curses makes it stay in the terminal. |
| 10:49.29 | no_gravity | heurist: which columns are interesting? "loss" ranges from 0% to 20%. |
| 10:50.08 | rootkea | Jessie starting with minimum brightness. Any pointers? |
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| 10:50.24 | heurist | no_gravity: it might help to compare the mtr output on the fast machine and then one that feels laggy. |
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| 10:50.50 | anddam | SynrGy: nope, it still opens nautilus, I'll google it |
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| 10:51.31 | anddam | rootkea: look for the video chipset + Xorg + brightness |
| 10:51.42 | anddam | rootkea: I had to upgrade kernel to support my integrated GPU |
| 10:51.54 | no_gravity | heurist: wow, the machine that feels fast has a loss of 0% for all hops. |
| 10:52.09 | anddam | no_gravity: the ping time is good |
| 10:52.19 | no_gravity | heurist: wouldnt one expect that a machine can only make the first hop lossy? |
| 10:52.20 | anddam | no_gravity: you should describe the feeling of lagginess better |
| 10:52.43 | anddam | it could be a slow DNS server |
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| 10:52.58 | anddam | you have a delay in name resolutions and then the actual networking works fine |
| 10:53.06 | heurist | no_gravity: without knowledge of where the machines are one could not guess at how it routes its packets. |
| 10:53.08 | no_gravity | anddam: for example when i use vim over ssh it feels laggy. and sometimes websites take long to load. |
| 10:53.20 | no_gravity | heurist: both machines are here in front of me. |
| 10:53.30 | SynrGy | anddam: this suggests some sort of system-wide registry of associations for iceweasel :( you don't have something strange and non-default under /etc/iceweasel do you? |
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| 10:53.43 | anddam | SynrGy: not that I put there |
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| 10:54.13 | SynrGy | anddam: does it do the same thing if you create a test user and login as the test user? |
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| 10:54.52 | no_gravity | maybe the slow machine is configured differently then the fast machine? |
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| 10:55.55 | no_gravity | looks like it has packet loss to the router already |
| 10:56.45 | anddam | SynrGy: ask and thy'll be googleth |
| 10:56.48 | anddam | http://askubuntu.com/questions/267514/open-containing-folder-in-firefox-does-not-use-my-default-file-manager |
| 10:56.51 | cyphix | Hi. Hi. I'm trying to install the image hosting system img.bi on my debian server, but I have problems. Is it the right place to ask? |
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| 10:57.20 | anddam | cyphix: is that a server or a client? |
| 10:57.28 | cyphix | A server |
| 10:57.50 | cyphix | anddam: I'm trying to setup my own img.bi server |
| 10:57.55 | anddam | not to say that you cannot ask, I'm interested in something that goes in systray and upload files |
| 10:58.11 | anddam | cyphix: ask already |
| 10:58.17 | no_gravity | disconnecting my network .. not sure if the irc session will survive that ... |
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| 10:59.27 | cyphix | My server is online : ic.cyphix.org but I'm stuck with the installation of img.bi-api |
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| 10:59.49 | SynrGy | anddam: hummm ... my own /usr/share/applications/mimeinfo.cache has inode/directory=org.gnome.baobab.desktop;audacious.desktop;pcmanfm.desktop; |
| 10:59.55 | SynrGy | anddam: (LXDE system here) |
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| 11:00.22 | SynrGy | but that cache is rebuilt from *somewhere* |
| 11:01.09 | SynrGy | also ... a *cache* in /usr? wtf? |
| 11:01.14 | anddam | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1106916 |
| 11:01.17 | valdyn | nautilus is probably builtin somewhere, because xdp-open query default inode/directory yields nothing |
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| 11:01.37 | cyphix | I uploaded the git folder, I updated the code.py and expired.py files, but I get an error with the command spawn-fcgi -f code.py -a 127.0.0.1 -p 1234. It gives me spawn-fcgi: child exited with: 127 |
| 11:01.44 | valdyn | anyway *that* you could override at ~/.local/ |
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| 11:04.37 | anddam | SynrGy: mine has inode/directory=pcmanfm.desktop;org.gnome.Nautilus.desktop; but the bug says Nautilus is implementing something (an interface) that others don't |
| 11:05.02 | SynrGy | anddam: in my case nautilus isn't installed, so having nautilus first has zero effect |
| 11:05.09 | SynrGy | zero end-user visible effect anyway |
| 11:05.17 | SynrGy | maybe there are some wasted stats there |
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| 11:07.34 | SynrGy | valdyn: er, s/xdp-open/xdg-mime/ ? |
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| 11:10.04 | julius_ | how is one supposed to find the flashplayer in the output of apt-cache search flash? theres just a lot of output.....of course i can do |grep flash....but that doesnt help |
| 11:10.28 | julius_ | im installing it right now, but im still courios how one can find that thing with just apt |
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| 11:11.28 | anddam | SynrGy: I'm checking if I can purge nautilus that is recommended by evince-gtk, that I have as suggested from lxde |
| 11:12.57 | SynrGy | anddam: yeah. if it's just recommends, you ought to be able to |
| 11:13.19 | rtur | julius_: apt-cache --names-only search flash |
| 11:14.25 | anddam | SynrGy: did it, but I feel "dirty" |
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| 11:14.47 | anddam | now it correctly opens PCMan FM, but that's not a solution |
| 11:14.48 | anddam | anyway |
| 11:14.49 | SynrGy | why? you know install order influences recommends |
| 11:15.15 | SynrGy | so if you install something on a pure lxde system it might not give you nautilus (one should hope not!) but an alternative instead |
| 11:15.23 | anddam | SynrGy: for starter I didn't know, also the alternatives/mimeinfo.cache had pcmanfm as first choice |
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| 11:15.38 | SynrGy | you mean /usr/share/applications/mimeinfo.cache? |
| 11:15.41 | anddam | yes |
| 11:15.52 | anddam | that I guess was queried by gvfs-cache |
| 11:15.59 | anddam | gvfs-mime* |
| 11:16.06 | SynrGy | i don't even know if gvfs is involved in this |
| 11:16.15 | SynrGy | more likely, xdg-mime |
| 11:16.16 | anddam | SynrGy: you made me query it :-) |
| 11:16.32 | SynrGy | yes, well ... casting about for clues with little understanding of the problem |
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| 11:16.46 | anddam | eh tell me about little understanding of the problem |
| 11:17.02 | SynrGy | the disappointing thing is even after that article you found, i'm no closer to understanding |
| 11:17.37 | anddam | and I know my way through a CLI and all, I figure for Average Joe this kind of glitches have to be frustrating |
| 11:17.45 | anddam | me neither, especially the bugtracker ticker |
| 11:17.47 | anddam | ticket |
| 11:18.21 | anddam | that said I'd really like to be able to move/resize windows by using alt and mouse3/mouse2 |
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| 11:18.29 | Fjorgynn | Hello |
| 11:18.32 | anddam | that's an openbox setting, right? |
| 11:18.48 | Fjorgynn | I've got some problems. I upgraded to Debian 8 with nginx and php5 and now php won't work. Why? |
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| 11:19.26 | anddam | Fjorgynn: the log should tell you |
| 11:19.28 | Fjorgynn | 3 rewrite or internal redirection cycle while internally redirecting to "/index.html" |
| 11:19.28 | rtur | Fjorgynn: It's broken. |
| 11:20.03 | Fjorgynn | php worked fine before |
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| 11:25.02 | Fjorgynn | rtur, I know it's broken |
| 11:25.29 | rtur | Fjorgynn: Just wanted to help :P |
| 11:27.25 | teraflop | Fjorgynn: so you upgraded from a wheezy instance? did you overwrite the old nginx config with a stock one? or you just kept the old nginx config? |
| 11:27.50 | Fjorgynn | I kept it I think |
| 11:27.58 | teraflop | I think ... oh I see |
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| 11:28.22 | Fjorgynn | or I don't know |
| 11:28.34 | Fjorgynn | will check |
| 11:29.31 | Fjorgynn | http://pastebin.com/ZgaUwpmA |
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| 11:30.34 | teraflop | Fjorgynn: it doesnt look like a stock config, isn't it? |
| 11:30.45 | Fjorgynn | teraflop, can't see that I had done any changes in the nginx.config file. The /usr/share/nginx/sites-enabled files are the same and also /usr/share/php5/fpm/www.conf |
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| 11:31.38 | lancer4 | Hi. I will proceed to install Debian on a few computers and I will need them to receive security updates automatically. I tested the setup with a Live Debian Testing (Jessie) of a couple of week ago |
| 11:31.48 | Fjorgynn | teraflop, I can't remember I have configured anything in nginx.conf |
| 11:32.04 | Fjorgynn | before or now |
| 11:32.11 | lancer4 | I installed unattended-upgrades and configured it with dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 11:32.55 | lancer4 | when I run unattended-upgrades -d it finds the security updates but does not install them. What should I do? |
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| 11:33.47 | lancer4 | I am sure there are security updates, they even get displayed, but then the message "No packages that can be upgraded unattended" appears |
| 11:34.11 | teraflop | Fjorgynn: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=762491 is this bug report related to your issue? |
| 11:34.13 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/762491 in nginx (closed): «php5-fpm: Empty fastcgi output from php-fpm»; severity: important; opened: 2014-09-22; last modified: 2014-11-14. |
| 11:34.33 | Brigo | lancer4, did you try dpkg-reconfigure unattended-upgrades ? |
| 11:34.45 | lancer4 | yes, I did say so |
| 11:34.52 | teraflop | Brigo: o/ |
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| 11:35.53 | Fjorgynn | teraflop, might be |
| 11:36.32 | Brigo | teraflop, \o (i am left-handed) :D |
| 11:36.39 | Fjorgynn | nginx version: nginx/1.6.2 |
| 11:38.07 | Fjorgynn | teraflop, yes seems legit |
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| 11:39.06 | Fjorgynn | is there a better debian package? |
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| 11:39.49 | Brigo | lancer4, what did you test it? |
| 11:39.58 | teraflop | im not debian workflow (or whatever it is said) expert, but that bug looks old for being nginx related and such severity, it says is fixed in upstream |
| 11:40.02 | Fjorgynn | oh there |
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| 11:41.54 | lancer4 | Brigo: It goes by this: on a live Debian MATE (Jessie, testing of 2 weeks ago) I installed unattended-upgrades, then I ran dpkg-reconfigure -plow unattended-upgrades |
| 11:42.17 | lancer4 | and then unattended-upgrades -d |
| 11:42.44 | Brigo | lancer4, is there new security updates in jessie? |
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| 11:43.32 | lancer4 | there are, I can see them with Syanptic |
| 11:43.41 | lancer4 | *Synaptic |
| 11:43.42 | Brigo | let me check it. |
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| 11:44.38 | Fjorgynn | teraflop, now I added their repos |
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| 11:45.04 | Fjorgynn | http://pastie.org/10123459 |
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| 11:46.29 | Brigo | lancer4, i think the actualizacion are doing by cat /etc/cron.daily/apt |
| 11:46.41 | teraflop | Fjorgynn: goo luck, anyway if you care about your servers/services i think there are better ways of dealing with release upgrades that just doing apt-get dist-upgrade blindly (if that's your case) |
| 11:47.14 | Fjorgynn | ... |
| 11:47.30 | teraflop | oh sorry for my typos my english is ... bad |
| 11:48.17 | lancer4 | Brigo: I tried to run that: there is a random wait of up to 30 minutes that i set to 0, but it did not install the updates |
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| 11:50.39 | Athas | Is there a list of packages I should install to get HTML5 video working in Iceweasel? |
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| 11:50.58 | SynrGy | there may be some codecs you need |
| 11:51.12 | teraflop | Athas: look at the opt depends of the package i think |
| 11:51.15 | Brigo | lancer4, yes i can't get it working too. |
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| 11:51.59 | SynrGy | Athas: "HTML5 video" is not a single kind. it entirely depends on what codecs the web sites you visit are using |
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| 11:54.20 | SynrGy | huh. at some point it appears irssi started automatically splitting messages across two lines. and my plugin that does the same thing except using an ellipsis where it is word-wrapped does it as well, so very long lines are getting wrapped twice. interesting :) |
| 11:55.47 | lancer4 | Brigo: what do you think? |
| 11:55.48 | teraflop | Athas: do you have gstreamer1.0-libav installed? |
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| 11:56.21 | Brigo | lancer4, i am checking. I would like to know why it does not detect news packages. |
| 11:57.01 | lancer4 | ok. unfortunately this is my first day of using unattended-upgrades so I'm no expert... |
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| 11:58.54 | Brigo | lancer4, from the logs it looks like to find the package but it think it haven't ot install them. |
| 11:59.27 | lancer4 | yes, I too see that it finds the packages to upgrade, simply it doesn't proceed |
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| 12:05.07 | rootkea | when I start the system (after reboot/shutdown) the sysetm starts with a minimum brightness. The vendor logo loads with minimum brightness. Then the GRUB menu loads with minimum brightness. Then fsck message gets displayed on the screen and then just after that point the screen brightness automatically reaches to fullest. |
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| 12:05.20 | Brigo | lancer4, may be because that "Only packages from matched repositories will be upgraded." ? |
| 12:05.41 | rootkea | If I put the system down abruptly (suddenly cutting the power) then next time when I start the system the system starts with natural/full brightness from the very beginning (vendor logo + GRUB menu). |
| 12:06.18 | rootkea | It looks like when system gets properly shutdown/reboot it changes some configuration which causes the system to start with a minimum screen brightness. |
| 12:06.25 | rootkea | Any pointers? |
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| 12:06.51 | lancer4 | Brigo: I don't know, I'm simply using the defaults. My /etc/apt/sources.list is default for Jessie Live Testing too |
| 12:07.21 | Brigo | lancer4, from here: https://blog.sleeplessbeastie.eu/2015/01/02/how-to-perform-unattended-upgrades/ |
| 12:07.27 | Athas | teraflop: I assume you mean libgstreamer1.0-dev? No, but I can install it if it helps. |
| 12:07.42 | Athas | SynrGy: sure, but I just need the most common ones. |
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| 12:07.57 | Brigo | it looks like there is a check in Origins-Pattern that should match but in the config file it is all commented. |
| 12:08.08 | Brigo | in that file /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades |
| 12:08.14 | rootkea | I am using Debian Jessie BTW which I installed today only. |
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| 12:08.35 | SynrGy | rootkea: we covered earlier using /sys/class/backlight/*/brightness and you said you had trouble with sudo. we told you how to do it but i never heard if you tried it. |
| 12:08.52 | SynrGy | you pinged out shortly after that |
| 12:08.59 | teraflop | ,v gstreamer1.0-libav |
| 12:09.00 | judd | Package: gstreamer1.0-libav on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 1.2.4-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.4.4-2; sid: 1.4.4-2; stretch: 1.4.4-2; experimental: 1.5.0.1+git20150316-1; sid-multimedia: 1:1.4.5-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 1:1.4.5-dmo1 |
| 12:09.04 | SynrGy | rootkea: do you need the irc log from before you pinged out? |
| 12:09.15 | teraflop | Athas: no i mean gstreamer1.0-libav |
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| 12:09.30 | Athas | teraflop: oh, sorry, I misread. |
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| 12:09.36 | rootkea | SynrGy, I lost connection. But just before that I reported the ranges of both the files. |
| 12:09.46 | Athas | I did not, but I am installing it now. |
| 12:10.26 | SynrGy | rootkea: but did you manage to echo a new value to one of them? |
| 12:10.27 | rootkea | SynrGy, even after coming back online I asked about what to do next but I did't get any reply. :( |
| 12:11.41 | rootkea | SynrGy, yes. the values within the ranges change the screen brightness whereas when trying to put values outside the range says "invalid argument" |
| 12:12.07 | Brigo | lancer4, it does not work out :/ i wonder if you may fill a bugreport. |
| 12:12.07 | rootkea | That's precisely what I reported in the last message before I lost the connection |
| 12:12.25 | SynrGy | we didn't get that message from you |
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| 12:12.31 | lancer4 | Brigo: I finished testing it too and it works now |
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| 12:12.50 | SynrGy | rootkea: so when you came back asking nobody in particular for help in general, it got lost amongst all the other people |
| 12:13.05 | lancer4 | What i did was to simply add a line "o=*"; |
| 12:13.21 | SynrGy | valdyn: pinging you that rootkea is back :) |
| 12:13.38 | Brigo | lancer4, great :) |
| 12:13.40 | SynrGy | rootkea: so if that works, that equips you at least with a workaround that could be applied somewhere. |
| 12:13.41 | rootkea | SynrGy, I asked valdyn, then |
| 12:13.53 | SynrGy | possibly gone now, then |
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| 12:14.04 | SynrGy | in any case, i didn't see you come back |
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| 12:14.11 | Brigo | lancer4, but i am wondering about a reportbug. I could do it for myself |
| 12:14.12 | lancer4 | yea this way it's not the best though, but I can improve upon |
| 12:14.40 | rootkea | may be due to my unreliable net connection. anyways, what I need to do now |
| 12:14.45 | rootkea | ? |
| 12:15.12 | darxmurf | I have my rsyncd which keep saying the password is not correct using a password file |
| 12:15.13 | SynrGy | rootkea: e.g. if some script changes it to a dim value right before shutdown, then if we could make a script run after that, setting it back up to a reasonable value, that would help for the next time the BIOS & grub screen show after reboot ... |
| 12:15.17 | darxmurf | but the password IS correct |
| 12:15.28 | darxmurf | I had this before but I can't remember what's wrong |
| 12:16.41 | SynrGy | rootkea: you say around where it issues a message about 'watchdog', it dims? i don't know which script that is, unfortunately |
| 12:17.01 | rootkea | SynrGy, For that we need to execute the script too later. Just before the system gets down. |
| 12:17.02 | SynrGy | but we would want our custom script to run after that |
| 12:17.04 | lancer4 | Brigo: have you tried on an installed stable Jessie? |
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| 12:17.55 | rootkea | SynrGy, where can I ask for more help? |
| 12:19.05 | SynrGy | here |
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| 12:20.41 | rootkea | anybody installing Debian 8.0 amd64 got the same problem as me? anybody? |
| 12:21.01 | SynrGy | rootkea: um, i am helping (or trying to). it just takes time to look things up :) |
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| 12:21.25 | rootkea | SynrGy, Thank you! :) |
| 12:21.25 | SynrGy | rootkea: i gave you the solution in general terms: you write a script that executes at shutdown that echoes a value to the appropriate /sys node |
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| 12:21.48 | SynrGy | so going back to the beginning and asking "anyone" in general terms doesn't help |
| 12:22.01 | SynrGy | the subproblem that we need to solve is writing that script |
| 12:22.17 | SynrGy | (or i'd be happy to hear from other helpers if they think there's a better workaround) |
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| 12:22.34 | rootkea | SynrGy, I am sorry but I am total newbie out here. |
| 12:22.55 | heurist | rootkea: if it helps, I have jessie on a laptop and do NOT see your result, my brightness stays at whatever I set it to. it looks like something funny with your hardware, or maybe your setup. |
| 12:23.07 | SynrGy | i think we want a local 'oneshot' service file with dependencies set so it runs last |
| 12:23.25 | EmleyMoor | rootkea: What kind of graphics chipset is on your laptop? |
| 12:23.34 | SynrGy | radeon, apparently |
| 12:23.47 | SynrGy | (from the earlier output of ls /sys/class/brightness) |
| 12:23.53 | SynrGy | err |
| 12:23.55 | EmleyMoor | Is this brightness issue in console or X? |
| 12:23.58 | SynrGy | (from the earlier output of ls /sys/class/backlight) |
| 12:24.26 | rootkea | EmleyMoor, lspci says 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Park [Mobility Radeon HD 5430/5450/5470] |
| 12:25.27 | SynrGy | EmleyMoor: here's a complete summary of the problem: brightness is too DIM at both the boot splash and grub. rootkea must use brightness keys to increase it on each boot. rootkea is on systemd, so systemd has a separate service that is supposed to save/restore it. apparently when that service runs on shutdown is when the backlight is dimmed, so it's at the wrong value on the next boot |
| 12:25.42 | rootkea | EmleyMoor, when I start the system (after reboot/shutdown) the sysetm starts with a minimum brightness. The vendor logo loads with minimum brightness. Then the GRUB menu loads with minimum brightness. Then fsck message gets displayed on the screen and then just after that point the screen brightness automatically reaches to fullest. |
| 12:26.00 | SynrGy | we confirmed echoing values to /sys/whatsit works and want a workaround or solution |
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| 12:26.20 | EmleyMoor | Hmmm... on mine I don't think I can adjust from grub starting until X starts... |
| 12:26.28 | SynrGy | my idea for a workaround is to write a oneshot unit file to run at the very end right before reboot |
| 12:26.38 | SynrGy | i have no ideas for proper solutions |
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| 12:27.05 | SynrGy | i'm a systemd newbie so i have a little bit of trouble putting coherent instructions for writing the appropriate file into rootkea's hands |
| 12:27.31 | SynrGy | or else we could use sysvinit compatibility and do it that way |
| 12:27.40 | SynrGy | is there supposed to be /etc/rc.local.shutdown? |
| 12:27.50 | rootkea | EmleyMoor, SynrGy - can we figure out the cause? |
| 12:27.51 | SynrGy | i couldn't find a man page for it |
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| 12:28.16 | SynrGy | rootkea: i estimate finding the cause at another couple of hours of research. i estimate writing a script workaround at another 15 minutes. |
| 12:28.31 | EmleyMoor | rootkea: What exact laptop is it? |
| 12:28.32 | SynrGy | so yes, we could figure out the cause ... |
| 12:28.39 | rootkea | Why Debian is changing the brightness to some minimum value and setting it for next reboot while shutting down? |
| 12:28.44 | SynrGy | but that's more investment of effort i'm willing to put into it |
| 12:28.51 | jelly | SynrGy: throw rootkea onto #debian-systemd, let them figure it out! |
| 12:28.53 | SynrGy | rootkea: short answer: "it's complicated" |
| 12:29.03 | lancer4 | Brigo: in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades there is a line not commented out that say "origin=Debian ..." |
| 12:29.04 | SynrGy | rootkea: in particular, debian does not do this in general. |
| 12:29.05 | rootkea | EmleyMoor, Dell Inspiron N5010 15R |
| 12:29.34 | SynrGy | rootkea: it has to do with all the multiple layers of responsibility for managing brightness, each mutually incompatible with the next :p ... i.e. "a hardware problem" |
| 12:29.38 | SynrGy | that starts at the vendors |
| 12:29.58 | SynrGy | jelly: haha. ok. umm. and that will work? |
| 12:30.01 | lancer4 | The issue seems to lie with archive=${distro_codename} |
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| 12:30.24 | jelly | SynrGy: no, but they may have a better idea on where to put the workaround |
| 12:30.30 | SynrGy | fair enough |
| 12:30.48 | SynrGy | rootkea: see jelly's suggestion to ask #debian-systemd. do summarize it properly for them. |
| 12:31.03 | teraflop | rootkea: what tells `journalctl -b | grep -i backli` about the vendor? |
| 12:31.03 | SynrGy | you may have to lurk a while before someone notices and responds |
| 12:31.19 | jelly | rootkea: the channel's on irc.oftc.net (irc.debian.org) |
| 12:31.20 | SynrGy | we could also check for brightness bugs against systemd ... |
| 12:31.26 | SynrGy | ah, yes. sorry |
| 12:31.29 | EmleyMoor | rootkea: Not one I've ever handled. Had an Inspiron 1750 once (still got it but the screen is wrecked) |
| 12:31.53 | jelly | also today, Labor Day, is a holiday in many countries |
| 12:32.01 | teraflop | jelly: yeah! |
| 12:32.20 | Brigo | lancer4, i have never installed jessie since it became stable. I must go. |
| 12:32.28 | EmleyMoor | jelly: We have our holiday on Monday. |
| 12:32.32 | lancer4 | ok thanks |
| 12:32.46 | Brigo | lancer4, yw :) |
| 12:32.54 | rootkea | teraflop, it says "No journal files were found." |
| 12:33.40 | teraflop | rootkea: are you in jessie with systemd? if yes run that line as root or add your user to the journal group |
| 12:35.08 | jelly | teraflop: journald was not enabled by default a couple months back when I upgraded to jessie, one would have to have done it manually |
| 12:35.54 | rootkea | teraflop, it says http://paste.debian.net/170476 |
| 12:37.04 | teraflop | rootkea: heh, why I see nano at the top of the paste? |
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| 12:37.59 | rootkea | Because somebody earlier today asked me to "Play with" brightness files in acpi and radeon |
| 12:38.15 | rootkea | to cure the problem |
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| 12:39.55 | teraflop | rootkea: whatever but that nano think does not make any sense, I wonder what did you exactly do |
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| 12:41.54 | rootkea | teraflop, I was told to edit the /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/brightness and /sys/class/backlight/radeon_bl0/brightness files |
| 12:42.12 | rootkea | which I couldn't "access denied" |
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| 12:42.48 | teraflop | I wonder what you exactly did* i meant |
| 12:42.53 | sheap | is it possible to remove all the data from the disk in the preseed? I'm trying to use RAID 1 but it keeps detecting data on the disk and tries to sync the disks (which causes it to fail) |
| 12:43.23 | teraflop | rootkea: oh boy that's a mess |
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| 12:43.41 | rootkea | Then I was told to try echo "n" | sudo tee brightness where n=any number |
| 12:44.26 | rootkea | which succedeed and the brightness of the screen was changing as per the 'n' |
| 12:45.32 | teraflop | rootkea: id just play with grub params regarding api at first, if no luck may be mask systemd-backlight@backlight:whatever until a new kernel fix appears |
| 12:45.48 | teraflop | acpi* |
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| 12:46.54 | rootkea | teraflop, so basically I should make a habit of manually pressing the brightness keys each time to properly view the GRUB menu! <n00b here!> |
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| 12:49.42 | rootkea | And I don't think GRUB params has got anything to do with this. since vendor logo too loads in minimum brightness (which loads before GRUB menu) |
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| 12:50.28 | rootkea | Only if you could find out the service/command changing the brightness at the time of shutting down! |
| 12:50.41 | rootkea | *we could find... |
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| 12:51.35 | teraflop | rootkea: or just play with the acpi values related to your hw passing them to grub as boot params as in video.use_native_backlight=0 etc etc |
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| 12:54.29 | teraflop | rootkea: systemctl list-units | grep back ? |
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| 12:56.02 | rootkea | teraflop, http://paste.debian.net/170486 |
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| 12:59.08 | waqstar | Is it bad practice to add the testing/ unstable repo to sources.list? Will things break? |
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| 12:59.48 | SynrGy | waqstar: don't mix it with stable, no. that's not supported. |
| 12:59.50 | themill | waqstar: if you're running testing or unstable that's fine |
| 13:00.01 | SynrGy | waqstar: i.e. don't "add to" |
| 13:00.10 | SynrGy | !testing |
| 13:00.10 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <stretch>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <jessie->stretch> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging and be prepared for a very bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical! |
| 13:00.21 | SynrGy | if you want to use that, use it. but understand the risks. |
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| 13:00.32 | SynrGy | waqstar: what specific end-user problem are you hoping to solve? |
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| 13:01.43 | SynrGy | waqstar: if you add testing and/or unstable, even with apt pinning, that's an unsupported configuration. if you need newer versions of things on stable, that's what stable-backports is for. and if one doesn't exist for the package you want, you may be able to do a simple backport of it yourself. |
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| 13:04.12 | waqstar | So are packages more up to date in the testing branch. What if these updates were applied as a security fix. Would they also be updated in the stable branch? |
| 13:04.25 | SynrGy | waqstar: yes |
| 13:04.33 | SynrGy | waqstar: in fact, often sooner in stable |
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| 13:04.59 | waqstar | I wanted later packages. But upgraded to jessie last week. I couldnt get vlc media player to play hevc. but after moving to jessie that works great |
| 13:04.59 | SynrGy | waqstar: this is why we normally recommend stable, as security gets top tier support |
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| 13:05.19 | waqstar | makes sense |
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| 13:05.32 | SynrGy | waqstar: well, since you're on jessie now, you are up-to-date. are you fine now? just concerned for the future? |
| 13:06.22 | SynrGy | waqstar: some users who are more adventuresome do switch to testing (but not recommended until later in the development cycle). it's a matter of personal choice. yes, you can get more up-to-date things, but have the hassle of a less stable system. |
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| 13:06.36 | waqstar | yep! in future the newer packages will be in the now testing branch so thats why i ask if i can add the testing repo |
| 13:06.57 | SynrGy | yeah. don't do that. that will make your system a testing system. you don't want to do that quite yet. |
| 13:07.04 | waqstar | say I want just 1 package from testing. as i like that version/or has more features. is that possible? |
| 13:07.07 | SynrGy | the period right after a stable release comes out is very turbulent |
| 13:07.33 | SynrGy | it may be technically possible, but it is unsupported. and the further testing diverges from stable the more that will cause breakage ... |
| 13:07.43 | SynrGy | as i said, that's what backports are for |
| 13:07.51 | waqstar | whats backports? |
| 13:07.55 | SynrGy | backports are specifically rebuilt to work on stable |
| 13:07.57 | SynrGy | !backprots |
| 13:08.00 | SynrGy | !backports |
| 13:08.00 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 13:08.23 | waqstar | nice whats what i need. Will search for packages in there first next time |
| 13:08.23 | julius__ | rtur, thx...that helps a lot |
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| 13:08.43 | SynrGy | waqstar: do you have backports lines in your /etc/apt/sources.list? if not, follow Instructions at the link above |
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| 13:09.02 | waqstar | i saw ubuntu has bleeding edge (somewhat) releases but I hate ubuntu |
| 13:09.29 | waqstar | SynrGy: nah they didnt have those lines in there. will add them now |
| 13:09.36 | SynrGy | waqstar: also, backports is integrated into the regular archive, so searching packages.debian.org will show you if updated versions of packages you want are in jessie-backports or not |
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| 13:10.17 | SynrGy | waqstar: but once you add it to your sources.list, apt-get update and you'll be able to see the new versions. you are *not* automatically upgraded to those. you need to specify -t jessie-backports when you install, as per Instructions |
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| 13:10.30 | waqstar | cool |
| 13:10.32 | waqstar | thanks |
| 13:10.34 | waqstar | :) |
| 13:10.35 | SynrGy | np |
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| 13:11.47 | hashworks | Hi! I'm currently trying to set up my debian server as a Bluetooth Audio sink so I can use it as a speaker for my phone. Bluetooth connection works fine, however blueman only shows NTP as an option. What do I have to set up so it displays me "Connect as: Audio Sink"? |
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| 13:16.33 | waqstar | Debian is ultra stable, ive found! |
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| 13:16.57 | scoofy | as has been for more than a decade |
| 13:17.05 | scoofy | until systemd came |
| 13:17.53 | waqstar | BTW, the thing Canonical are doing with ubuntu. Trying to commercialise. Isnt that against the licence debian ships with? |
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| 13:18.16 | hashworks | What is wrong with systemd scoofy? |
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| 13:18.22 | waqstar | scoofy: true. I dont like systemd |
| 13:18.30 | scoofy | technicall, 'free software' means as in 'free speech', not as in 'free beer' - i.e. you can sell 'free' software |
| 13:18.31 | hashworks | I'm using it on 6+ servers and I'm happy with it |
| 13:18.55 | scoofy | hashworks: many people are fine with it. though i've read a few stories online where a systemd bug wrecked a box |
| 13:19.31 | waqstar | The debian developers have worked without charging and now they take it and make changes and sell it. Thats a stab in the eye |
| 13:19.32 | jelly | waqstar: licenses of DFSG-compliant software do not forbid selling |
| 13:19.41 | scoofy | it's quite complex, so it is more prone to bugs. and bugs in it might bring down the system. that's the "problem" with it, at least one of the problems with it |
| 13:20.03 | SynrGy | scoofy: please refrain from soapboxing here |
| 13:20.10 | themill | scoofy: it would be appreciated if you could stick to facts rather than offtopic and poorly-informed second hand tangents |
| 13:20.12 | scoofy | waqstar: Free Software Foundation actually encourages "selling" free software |
| 13:20.26 | scoofy | themill: systemd is not offtopic |
| 13:20.47 | buu | scoofy: second hand and non factual statements are. |
| 13:21.04 | scoofy | SynrGy: I am not "soapboxing", someone asked 'what is wrong with systemd', i told someone's problems that i read |
| 13:21.08 | themill | scoofy: you've demonstrated a few times over the last few days that you don't know what you're talking about there. Please just desist. |
| 13:21.15 | SynrGy | scoofy: ^^ |
| 13:21.25 | SynrGy | scoofy: no. you were the initiator. |
| 13:21.30 | SynrGy | dpm |
| 13:21.35 | SynrGy | don't play innocent. |
| 13:21.50 | themill | Moving on... |
| 13:21.59 | scoofy | i also hate gnome3 - it's crap. so i simply do not use it. simply as that. |
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| 13:22.12 | scoofy | no problem if someone doesn't like something |
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| 13:22.16 | SynrGy | "<wastar> Debian is ultra stable, ive found! <scoofy> as has been for more than a decade until systemd came" <- soapboxing. don't. |
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| 13:22.34 | vasile | waqstar: The licenses Debian uses do not object to commercialization |
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| 13:22.41 | SynrGy | waqstar* |
| 13:22.46 | SynrGy | sorry for mangling your nick :) |
| 13:22.56 | waqstar | lol np |
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| 13:23.51 | vasile | waqstar: One of the ways in which free software is free of restrictions is that we tend to disfavor telling people what they can do with it. If they can sell it, good for them. It's polite in such instances to support the upstream development on which you make money, of course. And Canonical does that to a degree. Whether they do enough is controversial in some quarters. |
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| 13:24.09 | MartinCleaver | What can I do about a really slow apt-get update? http://ftp3.nrc.ca is taking forever |
| 13:24.22 | buu | Use a different mirror? |
| 13:24.25 | SynrGy | MartinCleaver: switch to another mirror? |
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| 13:24.38 | themill | MartinCleaver: weren't you asking about that one yesterday? |
| 13:24.41 | SynrGy | right after a stable release, expect some archive mirrors to suddenly be oversubscribed |
| 13:24.44 | SynrGy | for obvious reasons |
| 13:24.50 | MartinCleaver | wasn't me |
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| 13:25.09 | MartinCleaver | oh - there's been an update? |
| 13:25.15 | SynrGy | yes. see channel topic |
| 13:25.27 | waqstar | I dont mean to start another war here, but quick question. If I have a machine which I cant get a internet connection on. Can I do something with apt to only download the things it needs and not install. Then i can take these and install with dpkg -i right? |
| 13:25.52 | DarrenGao | of course you can. |
| 13:25.58 | noname | - fag |
| 13:25.59 | MartinCleaver | Topic doesn't give a date as to when Jessie happened |
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| 13:26.02 | noname | id flag |
| 13:26.05 | SynrGy | waqstar: that is not preferred, as dpkg does not automatically resolve dependencies |
| 13:26.07 | noname | -d flag |
| 13:26.08 | vasile | waqstar: --download-only will cache apt packages in /var |
| 13:26.13 | jelly | waqstar: there are tools like apt-zip to enable machines without internet access to use apt |
| 13:26.30 | SynrGy | yup. that's a better solution |
| 13:26.49 | vasile | jelly: oh, apt-zip. Forgot about that. Neat. |
| 13:27.05 | waqstar | nice. thanks |
| 13:27.50 | DarrenGao | /var/cache/apt/archives, store the file which you have downloaded deb file using apt-get command |
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| 13:28.12 | MartinCleaver | ok - I assume I can just replace what's in sources.list with things from https://www.debian.org/mirror/list-full#CA |
| 13:28.52 | waqstar | https://wiki.debian.org/PepperFlashPlayer/Installing AW man. under 32bit theres no docs! |
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| 13:29.46 | MartinCleaver | http://debgen.simplylinux.ch looks handy - but only seems to generate the default list |
| 13:29.54 | MartinCleaver | is there something that installs everything? |
| 13:30.05 | themill | MartinCleaver: I wouldn't use that site. It's pretty crap |
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| 13:30.07 | MartinCleaver | s/everything/alternatives/ |
| 13:30.12 | themill | dpkg: tell MartinCleaver about jessie sources.list |
| 13:30.46 | MartinCleaver | dpkg: tell MartinCleaver about wheezy sources.list |
| 13:31.12 | MartinCleaver | but will that be any faster? |
| 13:31.35 | MartinCleaver | looks like just defaults - I assume I need an alternative if the default ones are bogged down |
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| 13:31.54 | themill | there's no such thing as a default sources.list |
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| 13:34.40 | z7 | hi #debian ... do you know if there will be an update for Enlightenment? |
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| 14:05.30 | bernhard1 | Under Debian i am running nginx to host prestashops. There are several domains on the same server and i use APC to do caching. When i turn APC Caching on for both sides the a domain will redirect to another domain on the same server. Any clue how to fix it or how to seperate caching for each domain ? |
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| 14:21.07 | pagefault | hi there, I had a question am I better off using linux mint debian edition for cinnamon updates or can I expect that debian will keep them up to date reasonably with jessie? |
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| 14:22.38 | abrotman | pagefault: Jessie has the version of Cinnamon it will have, future releases may be backported into jessie-backports |
| 14:22.49 | abrotman | judd: versions cinnamon |
| 14:22.50 | judd | Package: cinnamon on amd64 -- stretch: 2.2.16-5; jessie: 2.2.16-5; sid: 2.2.16-5; experimental: 2.4.8-1 |
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| 14:23.10 | pagefault | ah ok thanks |
| 14:23.28 | abrotman | pagefault: I'm not sure if that truly answers your question |
| 14:23.33 | pagefault | yeah it does |
| 14:23.38 | pagefault | thanks |
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| 14:34.01 | darxmurf | have a good week-end folks |
| 14:34.13 | anddam | how should I install pulseaudio package containing module-mmkdb-edev.so? PDO doesn't know about it https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=module-mmkbd-edev.so&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any |
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| 14:36.56 | intrnl | hello |
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| 14:37.19 | jelly | anddam: what's that supposed to be (and to do)? |
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| 14:37.39 | intrnl | im lonely |
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| 14:37.45 | jelly | anddam: google shows no results for "module-mmkdb-edev" |
| 14:37.47 | anddam | that's what I've been told to load in |
| 14:38.02 | anddam | #pulseaudio in order to have XF86Audio* keys to work |
| 14:38.08 | jelly | anddam: told by whom to solve which issue? |
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| 14:38.29 | jelly | hmm. |
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| 14:38.37 | uxbal | Hi there guys. Anyone who knows their way around ssl keys? I'd need some layman info |
| 14:38.43 | anddam | jelly: I figure your question was due to my accidental enter key hit, ou don't really want to know the nick, right? |
| 14:38.50 | anddam | s/ ou / you / |
| 14:38.58 | jelly | correct |
| 14:39.14 | jelly | told by #pulseaudio is good enough |
| 14:39.53 | anddam | now,the command "pactl load-module module-mmkbd-evdev" resulted in https://gist.github.com/anddam/39c9710737c7fd275f54 |
| 14:40.00 | anddam | as you can see there's no the .so file |
| 14:40.35 | anddam | but then I attached "amixer -q sset Master 1+" to XF86AudioRaiseVolume in openbox config |
| 14:40.39 | jelly | ah, evdev not edev |
| 14:41.14 | jelly | judd: file module-mmkbd-evdev.so |
| 14:41.18 | judd | Search for module-mmkbd-evdev.so in jessie/amd64: pulseaudio: usr/lib/pulse-5.0/modules/module-mmkbd-evdev.so |
| 14:41.41 | jelly | anddam: which debian release are you using? |
| 14:41.45 | anddam | jessie |
| 14:42.06 | anddam | why in the log do I see "-edev.so" and not "-evdev.so" |
| 14:42.09 | anddam | ? |
| 14:42.16 | jelly | anddam: is the path judd listed above not present? |
| 14:42.27 | anddam | one mom |
| 14:42.35 | anddam | I've been juggling between clips |
| 14:42.55 | anddam | ctrl-c, ctrl-shift-C, yank in vim, select and middle click |
| 14:42.57 | jelly | it probably works better when you're not making typos |
| 14:42.57 | anddam | this is paste-hell |
| 14:43.07 | jelly | hides |
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| 14:43.25 | jelly | mind the missing first / |
| 14:43.35 | anddam | yea, that I can handle |
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| 14:43.53 | anddam | as expected |
| 14:43.56 | anddam | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:43.58 | anddam | pulseaudio: /usr/lib/pulse-5.0/modules/module-mmkbd-evdev.so |
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| 14:45.21 | chat-ango | Hello. how is jessie? |
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| 14:45.28 | anddam | I've been told to increase the log level with pacmd set-log-level and I get "No PulseAudio daemon running, or not running as session daemon." |
| 14:45.31 | jelly | chat-ango: still released |
| 14:45.37 | anddam | should LXDE auto setup a PA daemon? |
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| 14:46.32 | jelly | anddam: I wonder if lxde session startup cares about stuff in /etc/xdg/autostart/ including pulseaudio.desktop |
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| 14:47.18 | anddam | jelly: I suggest to not try and ask me, or you'll be disappointed |
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| 14:47.41 | anddam | I confirm that loading "module-mmkbd-evdev" results in"pulseaudio[12893]: [pulseaudio] ltdl-bind-now.c: Failed to open module module-mmkbd-edev.so: module-mmkbd-edev.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" |
| 14:47.52 | anddam | mind the "evdev/edev" difference |
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| 14:48.21 | jelly | wfn |
| 14:48.25 | jelly | wfm* |
| 14:48.45 | anddam | weird thing is that even if I try to pactl load "module-mmkbd-edev" I get "pulseaudio[12915]: [pulseaudio] ltdl-bind-now.c: Failed to open module module-mmkbd-edev.so: module-mmkbd-edev.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" |
| 14:48.49 | anddam | no typo this time |
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| 14:49.29 | chat-ango | i instaled ubuntu precise and wifi worked like charm then used weezy and worked fine too and some libs old and then install ubuntu 14 lts and doent work. now i see jessie relesed and gives me hope lol |
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| 14:51.03 | jelly | er, no, it does not wfm, but fails with a different error |
| 14:51.20 | jelly | E: [pulseaudio] module-mmkbd-evdev.c: Failed to open evdev device: Permission denied \n E: [pulseaudio] module.c: Failed to load module "module-mmkbd-evdev" (argument: ""): initialization failed. |
| 14:51.38 | anddam | are you in input group? |
| 14:51.54 | jelly | nope |
| 14:52.13 | anddam | AFAICT the device interested are in /dev/input |
| 14:52.28 | anddam | this is almost the last bit of config I want to do in this debian |
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| 14:52.56 | anddam | having the multimedia keys working so I don't get deaf in the long run when videos start and I have the headphone and the master volume is +140db |
| 14:53.00 | jelly | anddam: but I have pulseaudio 6.0 from unstable bolted onto this installation for some reason. |
| 14:53.00 | anddam | dB* |
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| 14:55.46 | shay_shay | noich noich noich |
| 14:56.18 | jelly | /kick shay_shay |
| 14:56.19 | anddam | jelly: turns out it was my fault |
| 14:56.24 | anddam | (surprise) |
| 14:56.30 | jelly | (not really!) |
| 14:56.42 | anddam | I had the wrong "-edev" lload line in .config/pulseaudio/config |
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| 15:07.02 | anddam | that was breaking the loading and producing that odd -edev reference at each pactl command |
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| 15:07.45 | anddam | now in a new session the volumes are ok, pulseaudio has supposedly loaded this module-mmkbd-evdev that "Adjust the volume of a sink when the special multimedia buttons of modern keyboards are pressed" |
| 15:08.13 | anddam | except it's not |
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| 15:08.52 | SynrGy | am i missing something obvious about how i can make logcheck less annoying? i know i can filter out messages i don't want to ever see again. i know i can decrease the frequency at which i receive messages by altering the cron frequency ... but how do i a) ensure *timely* reporting of problems while b) not *endlessly* re-reporting an issue that has already been reported nor c) silencing a reported issue this |
| 15:08.58 | SynrGy | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:09.00 | SynrGy | ... concealed if you forget to unsilence it? |
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| 15:09.41 | SynrGy | case in point: clamav-freshclam. i know i don't have the latest, OK? so stop pestering me every hour about it. but i do want to know, once i've addressed the issue, if-and-when it happens again. |
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| 15:09.56 | doomy | Hi |
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| 15:10.15 | Krakakanok | hello doomy |
| 15:10.16 | doomy | is there still a way to download debian 7 ? |
| 15:10.17 | jelly | SynrGy: clearly you need to set up a nagios alert instead :-) |
| 15:10.19 | SynrGy | currently the only thing i believe i can do about it is to temporarily add a rule that silences this message, then remember to remove it later |
| 15:10.23 | doomy | hi Krakakanok ! |
| 15:10.29 | SynrGy | that seems ... suboptimal |
| 15:10.49 | SynrGy | jelly: does nagios do this properly? i mean, can i wholly replace logcheck with nagios? |
| 15:11.02 | jelly | logcheck does not have "acknowledgment" or "disable rule after it hasn't happened for X time units" |
| 15:11.13 | jelly | SynrGy: not really, no |
| 15:11.17 | SynrGy | that's what i thought |
| 15:11.26 | SynrGy | so there really is no better replacement technology for logcheck? |
| 15:11.34 | SynrGy | i smell an opportunity for some improvement here :) |
| 15:11.49 | Krakakanok | i think yes doomy |
| 15:11.51 | SynrGy | some sort of stateful checking |
| 15:11.57 | jelly | but you could make checks and alerts for specific issues you want timely reports for |
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| 15:13.26 | heurist | SynrGy: you can make a specific logcheck rule that ignores the current version number, that will start triggering again when the version numbers change later. |
| 15:13.27 | SynrGy | i think a rule wizard would be great, too. something that allows you to select a bunch of messages by some regex and tweak that regex until it looks like it's selecting them correctly ... then write your wizard-generated rules. the wizard-generated rules could be assigned expiry periods ... |
| 15:13.32 | jelly | smarter log analyzers like splunk ($$$) have all sorts of triggers I think |
| 15:13.37 | SynrGy | yeah |
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| 15:14.31 | doomy | Krakakanok: then, it's pretty hidden on the website |
| 15:15.04 | SynrGy | well, my proposed rule wizard would be a (python? dunno, something scripty with easy gui/tui alternative interfaces) script that would just output to some file. the expiry of rules would probably need to be implemented separately |
| 15:15.45 | SynrGy | that could be a separate output of the wizard (an 'at' command to remove the generated rule?) |
| 15:15.49 | Krakakanok | doomy https://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/ |
| 15:15.52 | Krakakanok | for example |
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| 15:15.59 | Krakakanok | change the version name |
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| 15:16.04 | SynrGy | ponders |
| 15:16.40 | jacky_Zzzz | you should tell people that they can just de-install systemd instead of telling them "how to fix it" if they don't want it in the first place... just saying... |
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| 15:17.08 | jacky_Zzzz | i get the impression as if there is an agenda to force crap on people that they don't want... |
| 15:17.35 | centrx | jacky_Zzzz, You can replace systemd with sysvinit-core |
| 15:17.46 | jacky_Zzzz | yes... i did that... |
| 15:17.59 | anddam | jelly: different and possibly last issue |
| 15:18.59 | jacky_Zzzz | but when i came here and said that i dont want systemd and that i dont care to know more about it to get myself used to it... nothing like just deinstalling it was recommended... |
| 15:19.06 | anddam | I have to specify the right device for the keyboard to the pulseaudio module, turns out it's input1 on my system. How can I be sure to always refer to the USB keyboard with a device? I figure I can use one of the by-id or by-path symlink, are those univocally assigned? |
| 15:19.27 | jelly | jacky_Zzzz: hello there |
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| 15:20.27 | jacky_Zzzz | what i am saying is that when someone complains about systemd it should be the default action to tell that person to just uninstall it... instead of having them get into a rage where they start webpages and polls and cause all kinds of backlash... |
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| 15:20.43 | doomy | Krakakanok: thanks; but there's no download here. It's just informations about the version |
| 15:21.11 | acz32 | jacky_Zzzz: have you been in #devuan? they critisize debian for not giving the user an option to select init system at install time, but they don't even plan on packaging systemd at all. try telling that channel "just uninstall it" and you will get banned or silenced |
| 15:21.32 | jelly | jacky_Zzzz: this channel is for tech support. We do tech support and try to help people solve issue, not automatically tell them to use something else. |
| 15:21.36 | acz32 | people here just don't care so much. you should know that you can uninstall what you don't want |
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| 15:22.36 | jacky_Zzzz | acz32, i've heard about #devuan... look at all the energy they waste on another project just because a single person has the philosophy to /not/ giving such an option at install time... |
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| 15:22.53 | jelly | jacky_Zzzz: the option is given in the install guide. |
| 15:23.07 | doomy | Krakakanok: oh, I got it, it's there http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/7.8.0/amd64/iso-cd/ ! |
| 15:23.09 | jacky_Zzzz | jelly "hidden" you mean... |
| 15:23.21 | jelly | jacky_Zzzz: the choice was not a single person one, either. |
| 15:24.00 | jacky_Zzzz | well.. whatever... this reminds me a lot of that HAL crap... except that it has made it into stable... |
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| 15:24.24 | jelly | jacky_Zzzz: which debian release are you using? |
| 15:24.31 | jacky_Zzzz | 7 and 8 |
| 15:24.41 | jacky_Zzzz | and unstable on another machine... |
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| 15:24.50 | Krakakanok | ok doomy |
| 15:25.16 | Krakakanok | i use testing |
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| 15:28.28 | \\Mr_C\\ | how do i make debian 8 not goto gui at bootup? |
| 15:29.13 | centrx | \\Mr_C\\, remove or disable any "display manager" packages (e.g. gdm, kdm, lightdm) |
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| 15:29.31 | \\Mr_C\\ | how? |
| 15:29.42 | \\Mr_C\\ | i all tried is not working |
| 15:29.58 | centrx | \\Mr_C\\, Do you know what display manager is being used? |
| 15:30.07 | \\Mr_C\\ | systemctl disable gdm3 |
| 15:30.07 | \\Mr_C\\ | systemctl disable gdm |
| 15:30.19 | jelly | jacky_Zzzz: how much time did it take you to find the preseed solution to avoid installing systemd-sysv for you? |
| 15:30.21 | jacky_Zzzz | so not giving those devuan and other people such an option seems to be a purely political decision that has nothing to do with the choice paradigm that made things so successful... just adding that option would make those people return and apply their energy here again... |
| 15:30.26 | \\Mr_C\\ | update-rc.d -f gdm3 remove |
| 15:30.30 | \\Mr_C\\ | does not work |
| 15:31.20 | anddam | this is interesting, xev shows my multimedia keys events but if I cat /dev/input/input1 I see all keys generate signals but the multimedia keys |
| 15:31.27 | jacky_Zzzz | jelly, i took a machine with debian8 on it and just deinstalled systemd because it wouldn't have mattered if it would have been broken afterwards... |
| 15:31.38 | anddam | for this reason the pulseaudio module doesn't work with those, why is that and how can I fix it? |
| 15:31.41 | jacky_Zzzz | after it successfully removed systemd i knew it could be done... |
| 15:31.57 | buu | Boy this conversation never, ever gets old. |
| 15:32.03 | jelly | jacky_Zzzz: so you didn't actually look for official docs in the first place? |
| 15:32.08 | jacky_Zzzz | so it was a try and error approach... i never read or heard (here) that is could be done... |
| 15:32.16 | jacky_Zzzz | jelly nobody does that.. |
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| 15:32.51 | jelly | jacky_Zzzz: because reading the release notes is too hard? |
| 15:32.55 | jacky_Zzzz | yes |
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| 15:32.59 | jacky_Zzzz | exactly |
| 15:33.04 | jacky_Zzzz | nobody does that |
| 15:33.09 | jacky_Zzzz | nobody has time for that |
| 15:33.15 | jacky_Zzzz | so better have an option |
| 15:33.31 | SynrGy | i see. well, we don't have time for you, then, if you won't expend the minimum effort required to read relevant doc |
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| 15:33.57 | somiaj | Trying to figure out why a systemd service file isn't working, the command runs just fine if I run it as the sagemath user, but I can't get the service to start with systemctl start sagemath. http://paste.debian.net/170519/ |
| 15:34.22 | jelly | jacky_Zzzz: it's unfair to want other people to make time creating an option if you want extend that same courtesy |
| 15:34.31 | jelly | won't extend |
| 15:34.40 | SynrGy | \\Mr_C\\: so you have confirmed you *do* have gdm3? |
| 15:34.52 | SynrGy | it was unclear from your response to centrx you had checked that |
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| 15:35.07 | SynrGy | also, it's possible to have multiple *dms installed ... |
| 15:35.32 | SynrGy | \\Mr_C\\: describe "does not work". what happens when you issue the command "update-rc.d -f gdm3 remove"? |
| 15:35.37 | SynrGy | any unexpected output? |
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| 15:35.56 | somiaj | hmm, seems it needs to be run with the pwd as $HOME for my sagemath user, I'll try to figure out syntax for that in systemd. |
| 15:36.02 | jack_ZZzz | why did you ban me? |
| 15:36.03 | SynrGy | !disable service |
| 15:36.04 | dpkg | From update-rc.d(8): «A common system administration error is to delete the links with the thought that this will disable the serviceâ¦. However, if all links have been deleted then the next time the package is upgraded, the package's postinst ⦠will reinstall links at their factory default locations.» Use «update-rc.d $service disable» instead. |
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| 15:38.38 | anddam | back to a saner topic, this is the xev output for a multimedia key and letter k's events https://gist.github.com/anddam/e45a6d9398d55ab94f7a |
| 15:38.50 | anddam | notice how the first one lacks the MappingNotify |
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| 15:39.43 | SynrGy | \\Mr_C\\: please note the 'disable service' factoid above. removing the symlinks is not the right way. disabling the service as per above is the right way. but it's still unclear to me if you've disabled the right thing until you respond to my earlier questions. |
| 15:40.00 | anddam | now, knowing absolutely nothing about keyboard managin and who of the twenty-three layers between the kernel and the actual keyboard is responsible for that, why don't I see multimedia keys press in "cat /dev/input/input1" 's output? |
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| 15:40.16 | SynrGy | \\Mr_C\\: for example, there are lightdm and kdm too. and other alternatives. |
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| 15:40.29 | \\Mr_C\\ | its gdm3 |
| 15:40.42 | \\Mr_C\\ | but all i tried does not make it not come up |
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| 15:43.01 | SynrGy | \\Mr_C\\: are there any /etc/rc*.d/S*gdm3 symlinks? |
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| 15:45.40 | SynrGy | hm. though that may not be relevant for systemd. let's focus on 'systemctl disable gdm3'. what does 'systemctl status gdm3' say? |
| 15:45.48 | SynrGy | \\Mr_C\\: ^^ |
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| 15:47.13 | teraflop | \\Mr_C\\: I pointed you to the link of the bug the several hours ago, the final entry is how I achieved what you ask, did you read the link I sent you? |
| 15:47.52 | SynrGy | teraflop: did i miss something? ah, several hours ago ... |
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| 15:48.05 | julius_ | hi |
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| 15:48.33 | julius_ | ive been looking for a debian live system (not the installer) something you can work with right away....but google isnt giving me much |
| 15:48.35 | julius_ | any ideas? |
| 15:49.00 | SynrGy | julius_: http://www.debian.org/CD/live |
| 15:49.08 | SynrGy | fairly prominently linked from the web site |
| 15:49.08 | teraflop | \\Mr_C\\: again http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=749374 im not going to bother anymore ... |
| 15:49.09 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/749374 in gdm3 (open): «gdm3: Disable gdm3 service for systemd doesn't work»; severity: normal; opened: 2014-05-26; last modified: 2015-04-28. |
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| 15:50.15 | somiaj | Trying to figure out systemd service files work and debugging them. Here is my service file, http://paste.debian.net/170523/, the ExecStart command runst just fine as the sagemath user, but I cannot get systemctl to start this service. Further journalctl is giving me no logs after I run systemctl start sagemath.service |
| 15:50.20 | SynrGy | julius_: www.debian.org > Getting Debian > Try Debian live before installing |
| 15:50.33 | SynrGy | ^^ linked from there |
| 15:50.36 | teraflop | \\Mr_C\\: if you want it to enable again just reistall gdm3 install --reinstall and reboot, then it be enabled again |
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| 15:50.49 | teraflop | itll be* |
| 15:51.08 | SynrGy | teraflop: thanks for that. will keep it in mind |
| 15:51.30 | karlpinc | somiaj: did you frob /etc/systemd/system/foo.service? You need to make that file and do some sort of an include, IIRC. Ohterwise it gets overwritten. (I think. Just figuring this out myself.) |
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| 15:51.46 | metallic | somiaj: What is that supposed to be? |
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| 15:52.04 | metallic | I don't understand anything :( |
| 15:52.41 | teraflop | SynrGy: np |
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| 15:53.06 | somiaj | karlpinc: well I thought you could just edit local service files in /etc/systemd/system/sagemath.service. I have done systemctl enable sagemath.service, but still no logs and no output is hard to know what I'm doing wrong. |
| 15:53.19 | asterismo | hi people |
| 15:53.29 | badbodh | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:53.37 | somiaj | karlpinc: systemctl start sagemath.service gives me no output, and journalctl gives me no logs that it is even trying to run the service so I'm at a loss of how to even debug it. :/ |
| 15:53.47 | karlpinc | somiaj: Maybe.... (it's way too opaque for me.) |
| 15:53.47 | somiaj | metallic: what do you mean, it is a service file to start the sagemath notebook server. |
| 15:54.12 | metallic | service file... :/ |
| 15:54.19 | karlpinc | somiaj: What does systemctl output say about the service, is it there? |
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| 15:54.42 | somiaj | karlpinc: yea, I'm trying to use this to learn systemd better (: |
| 15:55.02 | karlpinc | somiaj: And there's also systemctl list-all-files (iirc). |
| 15:55.22 | somiaj | karlpinc: sagemath.service loaded active exited |
| 15:55.29 | somiaj | so it is there somewhere |
| 15:55.35 | asterismo | i have a problem with debian jessie |
| 15:55.43 | asterismo | in fact debian wheezy |
| 15:55.56 | asterismo | i dist-upgraded |
| 15:56.01 | karlpinc | somiaj: I need to upgrade my box to jessie to really be able to play with it. And I'm going to have to figure out how to start a 2nd X server... It's bound to be a project. |
| 15:56.04 | teraflop | somiaj: mind pasting the unit file? |
| 15:56.10 | asterismo | and ircd-hybrid complained |
| 15:56.22 | asterismo | and hybserv did not install |
| 15:56.26 | karlpinc | asterismo: Did you follow the instructions in the release notes? |
| 15:56.34 | asterismo | it said it was replaced by anope |
| 15:56.45 | asterismo | but the package is not yer available |
| 15:56.49 | karlpinc | asterismo: If not, you might want to look at them and see if it says anything about your problem. |
| 15:57.03 | asterismo | karlpinc: where are the release notes? |
| 15:57.11 | asterismo | but i dist-upgraded wheezy |
| 15:57.18 | karlpinc | asterismo: It says "release notes" on www.debian.org. |
| 15:57.20 | SynrGy | badbodh: there is a systemd way to do this. |
| 15:57.34 | somiaj | teraflop: http://paste.debian.net/170523/ (already did) (: |
| 15:57.40 | karlpinc | asterismo: You always want to read the instructions. |
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| 15:57.41 | badbodh | SynrGy: how to? |
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| 15:58.07 | SynrGy | http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/52643/how-to-disable-auto-suspend-when-i-close-laptop-lid |
| 15:58.24 | SynrGy | edit /etc/systemd/logind.conf and add HandleLidSwitch=ignore |
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| 15:58.51 | teraflop | somiaj: do you run as --user service? |
| 15:58.54 | SynrGy | (or uncomment the line that's there and change its value to ignore) |
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| 15:59.03 | SynrGy | badbodh: this ^^ |
| 15:59.18 | somiaj | hmm, if I make changes to a local service file (/etc/systemd/system/sagemath.service in my case) do I need to reload it with systemctl to make the changes to the file. |
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| 15:59.31 | somiaj | teraflop: I'm trying to run it as root and then set the user the command is run as with the service file. |
| 15:59.37 | badbodh | SynrGy: yaya handleswitch one |
| 15:59.39 | BlackJack | guys is debian 8 ok with openbox ? |
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| 15:59.54 | badbodh | reading all of that, thanx |
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| 16:00.17 | somiaj | teraflop: I think it would be werid to have to run systemctl as the user if it can be configured in the service file. |
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| 16:00.53 | abrotman | BlackJack: uhm, yes |
| 16:00.56 | SynrGy | badbodh: there. just taught dpkg: |
| 16:01.05 | SynrGy | !disable lid suspend |
| 16:01.05 | dpkg | edit /etc/systemd/logind.conf and add HandleLidSwitch=ignore |
| 16:01.09 | karlpinc | somiaj: It's defiantly not in ps? (Just a thought) |
| 16:01.26 | SynrGy | badbodh: you're not the first to ask :) |
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| 16:01.39 | asterismo | i compiled irc-hybrid to have ssl support and i'mrunning hybserv |
| 16:01.47 | SynrGy | badbodh: let me know how it goes. |
| 16:01.57 | asterismo | but now it sems that is not supported |
| 16:02.00 | asterismo | anymore |
| 16:02.11 | karlpinc | ,v hybserv |
| 16:02.12 | judd | Package: hybserv on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.9.2-4.1 |
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| 16:02.18 | SynrGy | but i think it's fine. my own system seems to have this (guess i edited it a long time ago and forgot!) |
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| 16:03.01 | somiaj | karlpinc: it isn't, and there are no logs that even say it is starting in journalctl (only thing in ps fax | grep sagemath is the fact I'm editing the service file) |
| 16:03.08 | julius_ | SynrG, thx....will it come with iwlwifi-nonfree ? |
| 16:03.28 | julius_ | or how thats called, the package cotaining the firmware files for intel adapters |
| 16:03.29 | karlpinc | asterismo: Looks like hybserv hasn't been in Debian since squeeze. If you want it on Jessie you'll have to recompile to get it to work with the new libraries. |
| 16:03.31 | somiaj | karlpinc: I'm just at a loss, and wish I knew how to better debug it since I'm getting NO output (which is usually supose to be a good thing) |
| 16:03.32 | teraflop | somiaj: uhm, true, i misread /home, and theres no fail? did you try to pass some --log/--debug to the sage line as in e.g --log /tmp/mylog (if possible) to see something else? |
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| 16:04.19 | asterismo | what is the best option for running a full SSL IRC server and sevices (nickserv and chanserv) in debian? |
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| 16:04.31 | badbodh | SynrGy: ok if i want to turn off screen instead of just 'ignore', what value do i put there? just curious |
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| 16:04.46 | karlpinc | somiaj: Possibly run something stupid instead as a test? The ye-olde xeyes trick? |
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| 16:05.06 | asterismo | because i will not keep recompiling it, just want to use a supported package in the official repos |
| 16:05.08 | SynrGy | badbodh: ignore seems to work for me (i don't see light leaking from the display when down ...) |
| 16:05.27 | karlpinc | !tell asterismo about search |
| 16:05.35 | SynrGy | badbodh: does yours behave differently? |
| 16:05.46 | karlpinc | asterismo: Dunno. Perhaps find one and ask if it's good? |
| 16:05.51 | badbodh | ok. done. rebooting... |
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| 16:06.03 | badbodh | yes it does, then sometimes it doesn't |
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| 16:06.17 | karlpinc | asterismo: Sometimes just looking makes the answer obvious. |
| 16:06.23 | asterismo | karlpinc: i already did that, but maybe some can point me in the right direction, otherwise i may pick an old or unsupported server, just want to pick an easy one |
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| 16:07.16 | karlpinc | asterismo: If you don't get an answer right away ask again later. Do the mailing list archives have anything to say? |
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| 16:07.43 | somiaj | teraflop: I don't see where to look, I don't think sagemath by default makes a log and I would think journalctl or systemctl should give me some output that it is actually running the command and I see NO output, but maybe I just can't find it. |
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| 16:08.48 | karlpinc | somiaj: When looking at systemctl output I've had to look at everything, instead of grepping, and then look around the lines that I find by searching in less. :-P |
| 16:09.14 | asterismo | karlpinc: in freenode channel say "nothing from debian repos" |
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| 16:09.31 | somiaj | karlpinc: all I see in the output of systemctl is the service is at least seen. journalctl gives me no logs at the point I try to run the service. |
| 16:10.07 | karlpinc | somiaj: I've also noticed errors in my *.service file show up in a very different part of the output that took me a while to find. |
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| 16:10.42 | SynrGy | badbodh: See 'man logind.conf'. I've also added that advice to the factoid. It lists all the valid values. There's nothing like 'blank' there. |
| 16:11.00 | badbodh | SynrGy, dpkg, it works ! |
| 16:11.20 | badbodh | and monitor goes black this time, so good so far |
| 16:11.26 | SynrGy | good |
| 16:11.38 | karlpinc | somiaj: Golly. I'm glad I don't have your problem. ;-) Can't wait to see what happens! |
| 16:12.19 | badbodh | i got few other annoyances too, care to check em out? two, to be exact |
| 16:12.33 | somiaj | karlpinc: so yea, I see no logs or output, but systemctl says sagemath exited just fine. So i'm not really sure what the problem is. |
| 16:12.44 | SynrGy | badbodh: taking that option literally (that logind does nothing) then some other agent must be responsible for blanking. whether that's the BIOS, the kernel, or some user agent, i don't know. |
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| 16:13.04 | SynrGy | badbodh: as for your other annoyances, let's hear them (one at a time) |
| 16:13.46 | karlpinc | somiaj: Just to maybe trigger a spark in your brain... What are you expecting? What will sagemath make happen? (Feel free to ignore me.) |
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| 16:14.15 | SynrGy | but i'm afraid someone else will need to do the answering. leaving for lunch break. |
| 16:14.21 | SynrGy | badbodh: ^ |
| 16:14.22 | badbodh | SynrGy, in gnome-control-center>power : bluetooth toggle switch doesn't work. And in message tray, i can't click on the legacy tray icons (like hexchat and pidgin's) |
| 16:14.29 | somiaj | karlpinc: it will run the sagemath notbook in which I can then connect to it via a webbrowser (so bascailly it launches some twisted httpd and gives me a webserver on localhost I can then connect to and manage my sage programs) |
| 16:14.58 | SynrGy | badbodh: ah. i'm not in a position to answer those anyway, as i no longer use gnome3 |
| 16:15.18 | badbodh | SynrGy, no probs. not a big deal anyway, just annoying in otherwise perfect system :) |
| 16:15.36 | SynrGy | just make sure if you have third party extensions you disable those first |
| 16:15.42 | badbodh | finally some distro to tame gnome-shell |
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| 16:15.53 | SynrGy | they may no longer be applicable in the latest version |
| 16:16.13 | badbodh | SynrGy, nah no third party. i am puritan :P |
| 16:16.21 | somiaj | karlpinc: and the command works just fine if I sudo su - sagemath (become the sagemath user) and run the command, so I know it isn't an issue with the command. It is getting systemd to run the command in the correct enviorment. |
| 16:16.40 | somiaj | karlpinc: and not finding any decent logs is driving me mad.....They should be somewhere, I just don't look. |
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| 16:17.30 | karlpinc | somiaj: Mabye sagemath is not giving good error return codes, or something. I found race conditions on boot where I had to make After= and Requires= dependences on mounting and automounting. (Although I don't think you're problem is a boot problem, is it? "systemctl start sagemath" does not start the daemon, right?) |
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| 16:18.15 | somiaj | karlpinc: yea right now I just want it to start the service, I'll worry about getting it to start at boot once it actually starts. |
| 16:18.36 | karlpinc | somiaj: Well (!). Arn't all the logs at least available by journalctl? |
| 16:18.40 | somiaj | karlpinc: I'm sure it is just something silly and due to me having to learn it. |
| 16:19.14 | somiaj | karlpinc: that is what one would think. I run 'systemctl start sagemath.service', (no output). I run journalctl, hit end, no logs that have anything to do with trying to run the sagemath service. |
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| 16:20.00 | somiaj | maybe I need to give systemctl a flag to give extra verbose output, but man systemctl and searching for verbose didn't yield anything. |
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| 16:20.52 | karlpinc | somiaj: Not that this tells us what the problem is, but perhaps you could try running bash -l -c sagemath ? |
| 16:21.00 | karlpinc | (from systemd) |
| 16:21.14 | somiaj | karlpinc: yea I saw that as an option, though I was using /bin/sh (maybe dash was causing issues), I'll try bash |
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| 16:22.04 | karlpinc | somiaj: Sadly, it's a kluge that does not help us in understanding how to use the system. |
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| 16:22.35 | jakal1 | Hello. I have a question regarding debian and SLI. I've been playing with Debian 7 for several months now, I currently have an ATI 7800 series gfx adapter in my box. I'm thinking of selling that card and perhaps getting 2x GTX960s and configuring in SLI. I have the room and the PSU plug in and power 2 cards, a mobo with 2 PCIx16 slots (which downgrade to x8 when both populated) but I was not sure how well Debian plays with nvidia cards i |
| 16:22.35 | jakal1 | I gather that I will have to setup separate profiles for different applications but outside of that, how big of a job is it to get it going? |
| 16:22.48 | somiaj | karlpinc: May 01 10:21:48 volticor sudo[16156]: jaimos : TTY=pts/5 ; PWD=/home/jaimos ; USER=root ; COMMAND=/bin/systemctl start sagemath.service -- only thing in journalctl, it shows me trying to run the service but gives me no output what so ever or logs |
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| 16:23.31 | somiaj | jakal1: I think most of this is going to be done by the closed source nvidia driver and unsure what sort of things you need to worry about. |
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| 16:23.40 | NoImNotNineVolt | that's more than i get in journalctl. it actually tells you the full command string? |
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| 16:24.01 | somiaj | jakal1: at least you are choosing nvidia as they do make a bit better driver than ati |
| 16:24.09 | NoImNotNineVolt | and wait, your command string is a call to systemctl?! |
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| 16:24.11 | karlpinc | somiaj: And systemctl output says it's started? I'd think it knows when the process dies... |
| 16:24.13 | somiaj | NoImNotNineVolt: it is because I'm running it via sudo, and it logs all commands run. |
| 16:24.29 | somiaj | karlpinc: it sais the process 'exited' but doesn't give me any more info than that. |
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| 16:25.02 | vote_green_party | Hi. I have just installed jessie and am wondering if there is a way to get gnome to switch to classic mode? |
| 16:25.05 | karlpinc | somiaj: I'm flying blind here. Time to upgrade to jesse and play. |
| 16:25.16 | NoImNotNineVolt | so systemctl runs through the unit file and then runs the ExecStart which in turn starts another call to systemctl, which runs through the unit file and in turn runs the ExecStart which.... see what i'm saying? :P |
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| 16:25.53 | NoImNotNineVolt | isn't ExecStart supposed to point to your service's binary? or are you writing a unit file for systemctl itself? (?!) |
| 16:25.59 | karlpinc | NoImNotNineVolt: http://paste.debian.net/170523/ |
| 16:26.08 | NoImNotNineVolt | ah, nm :P |
| 16:26.11 | somiaj | karlpinc: yea I finally figured I would replace my old init.d script I had for this and learn system files. |
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| 16:26.36 | drasko | Hi all, I am seeing an error on apt-get install: http://paste.debian.net/170532/ |
| 16:26.48 | somiaj | karlpinc: so far I'm just annoyed at the lack of output to help me debug, but oh well probabaly something simple and I gotta just figure it out so I can better help people transitioning to systemd |
| 16:26.57 | drasko | dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6-dev-i386_2.19-18_amd64.deb (--unpack): |
| 16:26.57 | drasko | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:26.57 | dpkg | drasko: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 16:26.59 | karlpinc | somiaj: I've a copule of init.d scripts, and am not really looking forward to porting. |
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| 16:27.05 | NoImNotNineVolt | so no error at all? |
| 16:27.20 | NoImNotNineVolt | that's odd. i recently experience my first non-ExecStart error and was baffled by it. |
| 16:27.35 | NoImNotNineVolt | but at least i still got an error. you're not getting anything. that's weird. |
| 16:28.00 | karlpinc | It's probably starting, then stopping. |
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| 16:28.06 | tremon | drasko: don't install libc6-dev-i386. Install libc6-dev:i386 instead (the proper multi-arch variant) |
| 16:28.12 | somiaj | drasko: -dev filies are not multi arch, you can only install the 64bit or 32bit -dev libary, not both. |
| 16:28.13 | NoImNotNineVolt | it would log that, no? |
| 16:28.15 | jakal1 | Yeah, I only recently switched over to linux, perhaps a little over a year ago and overall, I've struggled a little to get ATI to work properly. nVidia definitely seems to play nicer and all the workstations I have built at work with Quadro cards have worked like a charm. But SLI is still new to me, at least in the linux environment. |
| 16:28.35 | somiaj | drasko: if you are trying to compile 32bit stuff, it is best to just create a 32bit chroot for your build enviroment. |
| 16:29.01 | badbodh | debhelper, why not set the limit to 2000 and go to bed? |
| 16:29.09 | karlpinc | NoImNotNineVolt: I'd expect the app to log too.... |
| 16:29.10 | tremon | drasko: or maybe somiaj is right, I don't have a c dev environment :) |
| 16:29.29 | somiaj | karlpinc: luckly systemd can use the init.d scripts and run them, I just upgraded my sagemath server and though hey why not try to learn systemd service files, all I read says they are supose to be 'easy', (: |
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| 16:29.50 | SynrGy | i see no Multi-Arch: foreign |
| 16:29.55 | drasko | tremon, somiaj OK, what to do now? How to remove it? unisntall? |
| 16:30.23 | SynrGy | that's what you need to see for co-installibility of multiarch |
| 16:30.27 | drasko | is it installed, half installed, what happened? |
| 16:30.35 | SynrGy | purge the libc6-dev-i386 |
| 16:30.42 | SynrGy | you can't have it at the same time as libc6-dev-amd64 |
| 16:30.43 | karlpinc | somiaj: To be fair, the whole initscript thing is a bit of a process. But I just don't find systemd transparent enough for my liking when it comes to debugging. |
| 16:30.58 | SynrGy | !multiarch |
| 16:30.59 | dpkg | Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch and <multiarch howto>, <multiarch failures>. For the unrelated installer that can install i386 or amd64, see <multi-arch installer>. |
| 16:30.59 | tremon | SynrGy: I see a multi-arch: same |
| 16:31.13 | SynrGy | tremon: in the -dev? |
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| 16:31.35 | tremon | yup, in version: 2.19-18 of libc6-dev |
| 16:31.38 | karlpinc | somiaj: I with you. I hope it's my ignorance clouding my vision. |
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| 16:32.04 | somiaj | karlpinc: yea, my issue is getting decent output, at least a sh script will yell at you when you mess up. (: |
| 16:32.13 | SynrGy | tremon: oh. but that's not libc6-dev-i386 and libc6-dev-amd64 |
| 16:32.17 | SynrGy | tremon: which are the conflicting packages |
| 16:32.21 | drasko | SynrGy, http://paste.debian.net/170533/ |
| 16:32.37 | karlpinc | somiaj: Maybe you'll get lucky and find a coredump. :-P |
| 16:32.38 | drasko | purging did not help, there is still a problem |
| 16:32.52 | tremon | SynrGy: yes, indeed. Hence my suggestion to try installing libc6-dev:i386 instead :) |
| 16:33.09 | SynrGy | gotcha |
| 16:33.22 | SynrGy | ,v libc6-dev |
| 16:33.23 | judd | Package: libc6-dev on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.11.3-4; squeeze-security-lts: 2.11.3-4+deb6u5; wheezy: 2.13-38+deb7u6; wheezy-proposed-updates: 2.13-38+deb7u8; wheezy-security: 2.13-38+deb7u8; jessie: 2.19-18; stretch: 2.19-18; sid: 2.19-18; experimental: 2.21-0experimental0 |
| 16:33.28 | SynrGy | ,v libc6-amd64-dev |
| 16:33.29 | judd | No package named 'libc6-amd64-dev' was found in amd64. |
| 16:33.39 | SynrGy | ,v libc6-dev-amd64 |
| 16:33.40 | judd | No package named 'libc6-dev-amd64' was found in amd64. |
| 16:33.44 | SynrGy | er? |
| 16:33.55 | SynrGy | typing problems? :) |
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| 16:34.52 | drasko | tremon, gcc-4.9-multilib : Depends: libc6-dev-i386 (>= 2.11) but it is not going to be installed |
| 16:34.56 | SynrGy | i'm puzzled. packages.debian.org/libc6-dev-amd64 has this. i've never seen judd misbehave this way |
| 16:35.14 | drasko | are you sure I can use libc6-dev:i386 instead? |
| 16:35.15 | SynrGy | ohhhh |
| 16:35.26 | SynrGy | libc6-dev-amd64 only exists in i386 |
| 16:35.33 | SynrGy | ,v libc6-dev-i386 |
| 16:35.34 | judd | Package: libc6-dev-i386 on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.11.3-4; squeeze-security-lts: 2.11.3-4+deb6u5; wheezy: 2.13-38+deb7u6; wheezy-proposed-updates: 2.13-38+deb7u8; wheezy-security: 2.13-38+deb7u8; jessie: 2.19-18; stretch: 2.19-18; sid: 2.19-18; experimental: 2.21-0experimental0 |
| 16:35.45 | SynrGy | conversely, libc6-dev-i386 only exists in amd64 |
| 16:36.06 | SynrGy | makes perfect sense now :) |
| 16:36.09 | drasko | I'm lost... |
| 16:36.14 | vote_green_party | Anyone? I cant find the option to set classic as the default! |
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| 16:36.36 | polyphagia | vote_green_party: it's on the login screen |
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| 16:36.53 | polyphagia | on gdm before you login just switch the cog to classic or fallback |
| 16:36.56 | polyphagia | whichever you prefer |
| 16:36.56 | JordiGH | So, I'm gonna try to upgrade to jessie this weekend. Any horror stories I should know of? |
| 16:37.00 | JordiGH | I'm scared of systemd. |
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| 16:37.05 | vote_green_party | polyphagia: It auto logins. So Im not sure how to change it |
| 16:37.06 | tremon | drasko: you do not need libc6-dev-amd64 if you are on 64-bit native |
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| 16:37.15 | polyphagia | vote_green_party: after it auto logs in, log out |
| 16:37.20 | SynrGy | exactly. so i told you to purge the wrong package |
| 16:37.22 | karlpinc | JordiGH: It's a general hysteria. I'm going to take the plunge myself. |
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| 16:37.25 | SynrGy | sorry about that. |
| 16:37.29 | polyphagia | then once you change it on the login screen it will remember vote_green_party |
| 16:37.37 | tuxcrafter | little rant: http://paste.debian.net/170534/ < munin-async systemd does not work... http://paste.debian.net/170447 < freeswitch systemd does not work |
| 16:37.43 | SynrGy | drasko: purge libc6-dev-amd64 |
| 16:37.50 | tuxcrafter | and i have been hitting lots of issues with apache 2.4 |
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| 16:38.07 | tuxcrafter | openssh cipher changes are a bitch as well |
| 16:38.30 | karlpinc | tuxcrafter: In apache or in general? |
| 16:38.37 | drasko | SynrG, this is not installed on my PC |
| 16:39.03 | tuxcrafter | karlpinc: just config changes from its default behavior with tha allow and .conf includes |
| 16:39.15 | tremon | drasko: you probably need to purge libc6-dev-amd64:i386 |
| 16:39.16 | tuxcrafter | but the apache issues are managable |
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| 16:39.26 | qwebirc567024 | polyphagia: THANKS |
| 16:39.27 | drasko | http://paste.debian.net/170535/ |
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| 16:39.59 | qwebirc567024 | I saw another option there called system default. Where is this set? |
| 16:40.01 | karlpinc | tuxcrafter: I was wondering about the cipher changes. |
| 16:40.12 | tremon | is confused about the state of crosscompiling. multiarch should have made it easier, not more obtuse |
| 16:40.20 | qwebirc567024 | Its vote_green_party. I got disconnected |
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| 16:40.37 | Name141 | So uh, what's the Debian GNU/Hurd release? |
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| 16:40.49 | Name141 | or a Debian GNU/Hurd release.. |
| 16:41.17 | karlpinc | qwebirc567024: I think "system default" is set in one of those gnome system configuration gui controls. (I tend not to pay attention to the gui.) |
| 16:41.38 | SynrGy | drasko: what about apt-get -f install gcc-4.9-multilib |
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| 16:42.13 | SynrGy | drasko: also, see what tremon remarked about purging libc6-dev-amd64:i386 |
| 16:42.19 | karlpinc | Name141: Probably using the Hurd kernel instead of Linux. |
| 16:42.25 | drasko | SynrG, it depends on libc6-dev-i386 |
| 16:42.26 | tremon | Name141: it's like the Debian GNU/Linux release, but with a different kernel. Not sure if there has been a proper release though, I thought it's still a research project |
| 16:42.43 | SynrGy | drasko: yes. that's fine. apparently it's correct to install that on amd64 |
| 16:43.03 | drasko | yep, but it broke my apt-get |
| 16:43.08 | drasko | with dependencies |
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| 16:43.17 | drasko | now I am stuck with unmet dependencies |
| 16:43.21 | SynrGy | drasko: the problem you originally came to us with was a conflict between libc6-dev-amd64:i386 (which you ought not to have had installed on your system in the first place) and libc6-dev-i386:amd64. |
| 16:43.47 | drasko | which one to purge? |
| 16:43.59 | SynrGy | libc6-dev-amd64:i386 |
| 16:44.07 | SynrGy | the output you pasted above did not have the :i386 suffix |
| 16:44.08 | SirCmpwn | I've successfully installed wordpress on a fresh debian server by following this guide: https://wiki.debian.org/WordPress |
| 16:44.17 | SirCmpwn | I'm not very familiar with apache - how can I move it from /wp/ to /? |
| 16:44.27 | SynrGy | it defaults to the architecture of your system, :amd64 |
| 16:44.47 | Name141 | Looks like I need to read up on what a Hurd is then |
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| 16:45.11 | tremon | !tell Name141 about hurd |
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| 16:45.36 | drasko | SynrG, I can not purge this one |
| 16:45.37 | drasko | http://paste.debian.net/170536/ |
| 16:45.52 | Name141 | and there goes the PM blocker script : |
| 16:45.53 | Name141 | :/ |
| 16:45.56 | SynrGy | Name141: it's an esoteric debian port. |
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| 16:46.12 | tremon | Name141: then /msg dpkg hurd yourself |
| 16:46.24 | drasko | I guess until I find a way to install libc6-dev-i386 I am stuck... |
| 16:46.29 | Name141 | SynrGy: Why would one want a Hurd over a regular release ? |
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| 16:46.35 | Name141 | or visa versa |
| 16:46.41 | SynrGy | drasko: chicken and egg problem here. you may have to purge some other stuff to make it work |
| 16:46.57 | SynrGy | Name141: yes, why? that's a very good question :) |
| 16:47.05 | drasko | what do you mean? |
| 16:47.09 | tremon | drasko: have you tried dpkg -P instead of apt-get purge? |
| 16:47.12 | SynrGy | Name141: if you do the background reading and still can't understand why, you probably don't want it |
| 16:47.22 | drasko | nope... never used this |
| 16:47.37 | SynrGy | good point |
| 16:47.43 | SynrGy | drasko: it doesn't do any dependency resolution |
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| 16:47.48 | SynrGy | could break the deadlock here |
| 16:48.11 | drasko | http://paste.debian.net/170538/ |
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| 16:48.35 | karlpinc | SirCmpwn: I suspect you'll find the answer in the readme.debian. |
| 16:48.42 | karlpinc | !tell SirCmpwn about readme.debian |
| 16:48.59 | SynrGy | drasko: right. like i said, you might need to purge other stuff to make it work |
| 16:49.19 | drasko | SynrG, should I purge lib64ncurses5-dev ? |
| 16:49.25 | SynrGy | for starters, yes |
| 16:49.29 | Name141 | Anywho, looks like there was an original distro update ? |
| 16:49.30 | SynrGy | you can always reinstall these later |
| 16:49.35 | Name141 | Or is that still RC? |
| 16:50.12 | jelly | Name141: it's in the topic, Debian 8 (jessie) has been released |
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| 16:50.16 | SynrGy | drasko: i suspect it may end up complaining about another dep after that. iterate until the -dev packages depending on the broken one are all purged. then reinstall again once it's fixed up |
| 16:50.40 | SynrGy | only this time, the right package (i guess you would do that multilibs one, since it seems to depend on all the right things) |
| 16:51.12 | SynrGy | er. what was it called? i forget, now |
| 16:51.15 | tremon | drasko: I have no idea how you got to your current system, but you have many packages for compiling 64-bit programs on debian i386. And moreover, they either predate or resist multi-arch. I think you should remove them |
| 16:51.31 | Name141 | How do you preform an update on the distro ? Or is it recommended to fresh install ? |
| 16:51.37 | drasko | I am on 64-bit system |
| 16:51.45 | drasko | and I need to copile 32-bit program |
| 16:51.57 | tremon | drasko: exactly. You're not on a 32-bit system |
| 16:52.14 | Name141 | Is it simple as dist-upgrade ? |
| 16:52.14 | drasko | and I got there following these instructions: https://github.com/RIOT-OS/RIOT/wiki/Family:-native#amd64 |
| 16:52.21 | tremon | and you don't need a cross-compiler to compile 64-bit programs |
| 16:52.25 | jelly | drasko: set up a 32bit chroot as build environment, it's cleaner and less fuss with non-multiarch -dev |
| 16:52.45 | karlpinc | Name141: The recommended way is to read the release notes. |
| 16:52.57 | karlpinc | !tell Name141 about release notes |
| 16:52.57 | jelly | dpkg, tell Name141 about wheezy->jessie |
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| 16:53.23 | drasko | jelly, now it's too late, I blocked my apt-get with unmet dependencies |
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| 16:54.07 | jelly | drasko: it's not too late to do it after you fix your system |
| 16:54.22 | tremon | drasko: start with dpkg -P lib64ncurses5-dev |
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| 16:54.48 | SynrGy | drasko: incidentally, are you running this RIOT-OS thing? |
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| 16:56.06 | SynrGy | drasko: that is to say, are we debugging a RIOT-OS system or debugging a debian system which is a cross-compiler for RIOT-OS things? |
| 16:56.10 | drasko | tremon, yeap, fixed it |
| 16:56.16 | SynrGy | drasko: because the former is not supported here. the latter, however, is. |
| 16:56.34 | SynrGy | (i say this not fully understanding what RIOT-OS is, yet) |
| 16:57.02 | drasko | SynrG, it is a small RTOS for microcontrollers |
| 16:57.13 | drasko | I am trying to cross compile it on my Debian host |
| 16:57.15 | SynrGy | drasko: good. "it" being the latest subproblem or the whole problem? are you fully able to continue with apt now? |
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| 16:57.28 | drasko | Here is what I did |
| 16:57.46 | drasko | drasko@Lenin:~$ sudo dpkg -P lib64ncurses5-dev |
| 16:57.51 | drasko | this passe OK |
| 16:57.52 | drasko | then |
| 16:58.14 | drasko | drasko@Lenin:~$ sudo dpkg -P libc6-dev-amd64:i386 |
| 16:58.32 | drasko | and then finally: drasko@Lenin:~$ sudo apt-get -f install |
| 16:58.37 | drasko | and now it looks OK |
| 16:58.40 | somiaj | karlpinc: hmm wonder if there is a place to get systemd service file help. |
| 16:58.46 | SynrGy | drasko: yay! if their instructions hosed your system, you might want to contribute to improvements to their wiki, so other users won't be tripped up by it. the developers ought to be grateful for any help you can give making the instructions better. |
| 16:59.11 | jelly | somiaj: #systemd is the upstream channel, mostly dev but there's some user-support going on as well it seems |
| 16:59.26 | drasko | SynrG, yes, that what I would like. But I still do not understand what happened here. Why I had to remove libc6-dev-amd64:i386 |
| 16:59.41 | somiaj | jelly: thanks |
| 16:59.46 | drasko | and why I had this on my system? (probably needed it previously?) |
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| 17:00.11 | SynrGy | drasko: i don't think so ... |
| 17:00.32 | tremon | somiaj: man systemd.unit lists multiple man pages |
| 17:00.33 | SynrGy | drasko: i don't see anything in those instructions that would bring it in, either. |
| 17:00.40 | drasko | and what is the difference between libc6-dev-amd64:i386 and libc6-dev-i386 |
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| 17:00.51 | SynrGy | drasko: you could use debootstrap to create a fresh amd64 chroot, then test the instructions in that |
| 17:01.02 | SynrGy | drasko: if they succeed, they are probably correct and you had some prior breakage. |
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| 17:02.11 | jrtappers | Is there a way to put options in a pam config? |
| 17:02.20 | tremon | drasko: libc6-dev-amd64:i386 is a package for compiling amd64 programs on debian i386. libc6-dev-i386:amd64 is a package for compiling i386 programs on debian amd64 |
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| 17:02.47 | tremon | drasko: libc6-dev-i386 (without arch qualifier) defaults to libc6-dev-i386:amd64 on your system, since you have an amd64 system |
| 17:03.18 | drasko | And any ideas why it broke previously? |
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| 17:03.40 | SynrGy | we can only postulate you had libc6-dev-amd64:i386 on your system as a historical mistake |
| 17:03.46 | drasko | ah, because I had libc6-dev-amd64:i386 |
| 17:03.50 | drasko | yeap, I see now... |
| 17:03.55 | talin | hello. how come when i write "last" it says: wtmp begins Fri May 1 06:25:01 2015 and nothing else? |
| 17:03.57 | SynrGy | drasko: your system has logs in /var/log/dpkg*, /var/log/apt* etc. |
| 17:04.07 | SynrGy | drasko: you might be able to nail it down to exactly when the mistake was made |
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| 17:04.16 | SynrGy | drasko: then recall what you were doing when it happened |
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| 17:04.23 | drasko | thanks folks! |
| 17:04.30 | SynrGy | drasko: you're welcome |
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| 17:05.43 | FlyingPersian | hi |
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| 17:13.14 | jelly | talin: no user has logged in out out of the system since /var/log/wtmp (binary log used by "last" command) was last rotated |
| 17:13.32 | jelly | in or* out |
| 17:13.52 | talin | jelly: aah. thank you |
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| 17:14.25 | jelly | talin: please don't ask me why debian rotates wtmp. |
| 17:16.13 | talin | jelly: so why does debian... i mean, have a splendid evening jelly |
| 17:16.35 | teraflop | heh |
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| 17:31.12 | somiaj | karlpinc: Got it to work, systemd thought the service was running so I had to explicity stop, 'systemctl stop sagemath.service' to get it to work. |
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| 17:32.40 | somiaj | karlpinc: also 'systemctl status foo.service' is where the logs fro mthe output of running the service are located. |
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| 17:44.28 | `ryban | :) |
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| 17:45.39 | robert___ | What does this Call Trace mean? What area is causing the problem? http://paste.debian.net/170553/ |
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| 17:47.05 | squish | Hi. I've got a problem regarding systemd and encrypted swap space. Can anyone help? |
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| 17:47.34 | the_hydra | robert___, seems like kernel bug related to idle handler |
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| 17:48.23 | robert___ | the_hydra: So is it a real problem or can I safely ignore it? |
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| 17:48.25 | the_hydra | robert___, is it happening when you run into hibernate/suspend? |
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| 17:48.56 | the_hydra | robert___, could be safe to ignore, but I suggest to upgrade your kernel ASAP |
| 17:49.15 | robert___ | Okay get a newer kernel thanks |
| 17:49.25 | the_hydra | robert___, bugs like this could lead to total system lockup |
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| 17:52.13 | the_hydra | robert___, btw, bpo kernel sounds like non mainline one? |
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| 17:52.57 | robert___ | I'll switch to a non-bpo one |
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| 17:54.22 | the_hydra | robert___, aha, found it, bpo--> backported... |
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| 18:02.16 | KRISSS | hi, who use proxmox? |
| 18:02.22 | jelly | !proxmox |
| 18:02.22 | dpkg | Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <OpenVZ> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. http://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Get_support |
| 18:02.24 | KRISSS | i need some answer |
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| 18:04.14 | KRISSS | or You can give my right channel? |
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| 18:05.21 | jelly | KRISSS: there's ##proxmox |
| 18:05.46 | jelly | note that it isn't an official channel |
| 18:06.28 | SynrGy | jelly: good thing to tack onto the factoid |
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| 18:07.26 | nickoe | Hi! |
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| 18:07.53 | nickoe | Can I as a random reassign bugs from one package to another? |
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| 18:09.09 | jelly | SynrGy: done |
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| 18:09.40 | ledufakademy | hello |
| 18:10.54 | ledufakademy | is it a good choice to put a ebian as iptables firewall/router ?, i want to use FWBUILDEr (i'm skilled with professional utm) |
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| 18:13.19 | user14 | Hi, I just installed debian with xfce. I tried to remove X from autostart with both systemctl and update-rc and X still starts..... any suggestions? |
| 18:13.51 | abrotman | dpkg: tell user14 about nodm |
| 18:14.48 | somiaj | user14: the echo false > /etc/X11/default-display-manager is the method I prefer. You can also disable the display manager services (not X) |
| 18:15.30 | user14 | that what I meant with disable X., i tried gdm and lightm, which are all got removed |
| 18:15.33 | user14 | but still it starts.. |
| 18:16.57 | user14 | update-rc.d ligthdm remove -f did the trick in every debian I used before.. |
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| 18:24.49 | drasko | tremon, you said: libc6-dev-amd64:i386 is a package for compiling amd64 programs on debian i386. libc6-dev-i386:amd64 is a package for compiling i386 programs on debian amd64 |
| 18:25.02 | drasko | based on this I think that line here: https://github.com/RIOT-OS/RIOT/wiki/Family:-native#amd64 should be: |
| 18:25.14 | drasko | apt-get install libc6-dev-i386 libc6-dbg:i386apt-get install libc6-dev-i386 libc6-dbg:amd64 |
| 18:25.17 | drasko | right? |
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| 18:26.03 | somiaj | drasko: you need the headers for the arch you want to compile for. |
| 18:26.28 | somiaj | drasko: with multi-arch this can be a pain, you can of course choose to install either i386 or amd64 headers, but I wouldn't mix them. |
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| 18:26.55 | somiaj | drasko: my suggestion is to use a pure chroot (clean build enviroment) to build in. if you are building a debian pcakge pbuilder can automate this. |
| 18:27.27 | drasko | I am not building a debian package, I just need dev environmet to cross-compile this program |
| 18:27.37 | drasko | and it can compile only in 32-bit |
| 18:27.52 | somiaj | drasko: so do you want to build i386 on amd64 or visa versa? |
| 18:28.14 | drasko | I want to build 32-bit program on my amd64 Debian host |
| 18:28.36 | somiaj | drasko: use deboot strap, and build a i386 choort. Do your building inside the chroot. |
| 18:28.42 | ledufakademy | is it a good choice to put a Debian as iptables firewall/router ?, i want to use FWBUILDEr in order to manager netfilter (i'm skilled with professional utm) |
| 18:29.03 | somiaj | ledufakademy: what do you mean by that? Debian can work just fine with iptables as a router. |
| 18:29.06 | drasko | somiaj, and inside chroot I have to install all the tools, right? |
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| 18:29.14 | tremon | drasko: no, since you want to have debug symbols for your i386 libraries, libc6-dbg:i386 might be more correct than libc6-dbg:amd64. But purely based on the package names, neither is correct |
| 18:29.15 | drasko | like it is a new system |
| 18:29.18 | somiaj | drasko: correct you'll install build-essential and the -dev libs you need. |
| 18:29.45 | ledufakademy | i wan to put debian as bastion of my home network just under my internet provide rbox |
| 18:29.48 | somiaj | drasko: with multi-arch I think building can be overly complicated so I find the chroot really makes it easy, just make a chroot for what you want to build. |
| 18:30.16 | somiaj | ledufakademy: so your router is going to be i386 or are you using some embeded device for this such as armhf? |
| 18:30.18 | drasko | somiaj, but setting environment can take more time and space on HD |
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| 18:30.43 | tremon | drasko: libc6-dbg:i386 contains the debugging symbols for libc6:i386. I would expect that debugging symbols for a package named libc6-dev-i386 would be in a package named libc6-dbg-i386 |
| 18:30.55 | ledufakademy | no just an hpdesktop (slim) with 3 intel nic) |
| 18:31.04 | somiaj | drasko: yea I guess I don't consider hd space that spendy, and a chroot with only building tools isn't that big (espically if you don't have any installed in the outside world) |
| 18:31.17 | tremon | drasko: but that's purely based on the naming of the packages, I have no experience with any multilib setup |
| 18:31.24 | somiaj | ledufakademy: should work just fine, and it can be done. As for if it is a good choice, I say personal preference there. |
| 18:31.41 | drasko | tremon, yes, I can see that something is wrong. Isnt libc6-dbg:i386 dangerous to install on amd64? It is again like installing things for compiling and64 on i386,if I understood you well, and I need vice versa, so libc6-dbg:amd64 |
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| 18:34.01 | ledufakademy | the problem is that i don't know if debian is enought hardened with minimal base syste mmm |
| 18:34.10 | jelly | drasko: as for time, the amount you spent today fixing this could have been used to debootstrap an i386 chroot and install build-essential and friends in it about 3-5 times already |
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| 18:34.27 | drasko | :) |
| 18:35.09 | tremon | drasko: the rule of thumb is, that if apt lets you do something without complaining, it's not dangerous. Of course that's not an airtight guarantee, but debian developers try very hard to make their packages predictable and reliable |
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| 18:36.04 | centrx | ^ assuming your sources are set up correctly |
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| 18:36.59 | tremon | of course. and it mostly applies to debian stable, nor 3rd party or unstable. But it sounds better in absolutes :D |
| 18:37.06 | SynrGy | drasko: there's nothing amd64-compilation-specific about libc6-dbg:i386 ... not sure where you're seeing that |
| 18:38.22 | SynrGy | drasko: where'as the description of the other one you had problems with said so explicitly |
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| 18:38.30 | tremon | I'm guessing his train of thought is libc6-dbg depends: libc6, and installing libc6:i386 might break libc6:amd64. But the latter isn't true |
| 18:39.08 | SynrGy | nods |
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| 18:42.55 | tremon | drasko: the whole point of debian's multiarch setup is that libraries for one each architecture are in architecture-specific paths. If a package is correctly configured for multi-arch, you should be able to install all of them on the same machine without them interfering with each other |
| 18:44.32 | tremon | drasko: your earlier error came from two packages with different names interfering. That's unfortunate and shouldn't happen, but even in that case dpkg stopped before making breaking changes to your system |
| 18:44.56 | tremon | note that two packages with different names can also interfere if you don't use multiarch |
| 18:45.26 | somiaj | I think the multiarch really only applies to most libaries, not all are multiarch compliant (file a bug). Headers and program pacakges are not ready for multiarch for the most part. |
| 18:45.45 | somiaj | (well in terms of the work to ensure you can have both installed at the same time) |
| 18:45.54 | somiaj | you can of course have one xor the other. |
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| 18:47.22 | tremon | that's true, debian is not (yet) a complete out-of-the-box cross compiling environment. But the current multiarch spec was designed to make that possible, it's just still a work in progress :) |
| 18:48.33 | somiaj | yea my experince is use a chroot, they are quick to make and I find building in a clean enviorment much nicer. To the point I even use them when not cross compiling. |
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| 18:49.10 | mintgreen | ' |
| 18:49.10 | mintgreen | dmesg | grep descriptor,[ 1.516092] usb 5-2: device descriptor read/64, error -71,[ 1.744027] usb 5-2: device descriptor read/64, error -71,[ 2.084207] usb 5-2: device descriptor read/64, error -71,[ 2.308047] usb 5-2: device descriptor read/64, error -71"how to fix this? |
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| 18:55.54 | tremon | mintgreen: if using usb-powered devices, try supplying external power. I've seen that before with underpowered usb hubs |
| 18:56.16 | karlpinc | somiaj: Thanks. |
| 18:56.49 | rampageRripper | tremon: i din't have any usb devices connected |
| 18:57.46 | tremon | ah that explains it. the kernel is trying to read from a device that doesn't exist |
| 18:57.59 | rampageRripper | and yes,it's the same person |
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| 18:58.07 | karlpinc | somiaj: So there's log info in systemctl that's not in journalctl? |
| 18:58.09 | tremon | now to the next question, why does the kernel think that you do have a usb device connected :) |
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| 18:58.41 | superfast | should I just switch to Jessie? |
| 18:58.44 | superfast | I am so confused |
| 18:58.47 | superfast | since last week lol |
| 18:58.57 | tremon | superfast: you have a year to decide |
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| 19:00.18 | rampageRripper | tremon: i used to get a message about a usb wi-fi which does not exust either |
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| 19:00.29 | cave2596 | hello! |
| 19:00.54 | superfast | tremon, I have to decide by tomorrow evening |
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| 19:01.07 | superfast | I got install it and configure it and all |
| 19:01.11 | superfast | and get it ready |
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| 19:01.52 | cave2596 | i have a problem wth debian live (beacause i am a beginner) |
| 19:02.18 | tremon | rampageRripper: maybe an internal usb device? most internal wifi adapters don't use usb, but there are some |
| 19:02.25 | cave2596 | hoe do i login at the debian live cd? |
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| 19:02.45 | teclo- | user: debian |
| 19:02.47 | teclo- | password: live |
| 19:02.50 | tremon | even if it's an internal device, there's no way to fix it. Could be the hardware is dying |
| 19:02.52 | teclo- | or wiat |
| 19:03.01 | teclo- | isn't it user:live password:debian |
| 19:03.03 | teclo- | can't remember |
| 19:03.18 | rampageRripper | tremon: would lsmod list it? |
| 19:03.30 | tremon | lsusb should |
| 19:03.33 | badbodh | try thyem all 'user' 'live' 'debian' or just hit enter without typing anything |
| 19:03.38 | cave2596 | tjanls |
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| 19:04.03 | teclo- | user:user |
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| 19:04.06 | teclo- | password: live |
| 19:04.08 | teclo- | I think |
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| 19:05.22 | rampageRripper | bash: lsusb: command not found |
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| 19:07.11 | jolt | usbutils: /usr/bin/lsusb |
| 19:07.14 | xtc_ | hi |
| 19:07.19 | xtc_ | i upgraded to jessie |
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| 19:07.24 | xtc_ | and now dmesg is acting up |
| 19:07.34 | xtc_ | [89545.170638] systemd-logind[568]: New session 91 of user root. |
| 19:07.46 | xtc_ | any chance to disable systemd logging? |
| 19:07.50 | xtc_ | it is not running as pid1 |
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| 19:07.58 | cousin_luigi | Greetings. |
| 19:08.16 | rampageRripper | jolt: bash: /usr/bin/lsusb: No such file or directory |
| 19:08.25 | somiaj | karlpinc: well journalctl is very configurable, I think by default it only gives kernel/sys logs and service specific logs can be found on status. |
| 19:08.33 | tremon | rampageRripper: apt-get install usbutils. |
| 19:08.46 | somiaj | karlpinc: though if systemctl would have just said 'service already running' when I tried to start it, it would have saved me many hours. |
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| 19:09.18 | xtc_ | so any ideas? |
| 19:09.38 | jolt | rampageRripper: did you install usbutils? |
| 19:10.15 | rampageRripper | jolt: i've just done,still running-thanx a lot |
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| 19:10.41 | SynrGy | xtc_: how is that 'acting up'? |
| 19:12.22 | xtc_ | SynrGy: user login info doesnt belong to kernel ring message |
| 19:14.00 | karlpinc | somiaj: There may be a lesson here. If you'd-a pasted your journalctl and systemctl output maybe another eye would have spotted something. (I can only assume there was _something_ to spot.) |
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| 19:14.38 | SynrGy | xtc_: see #748648 |
| 19:14.40 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/748648 in systemd (open): «systemd-logind polluting dmesg»; severity: normal; opened: 2014-05-19; last modified: 2014-08-10. |
| 19:14.47 | somiaj | karlpinc: there was probabaly something somewhere that said 'status: running', anyways, a learning process for us all. |
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| 19:15.12 | karlpinc | somiaj: Thanks for sharing! :-) |
| 19:16.15 | SynrGy | xtc_: see also additional comments on the merged bug, linked from the top of that report. |
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| 19:16.37 | xtc_ | SynrGy: that is no solution 1 yr old bug? |
| 19:16.59 | SynrGy | no. |
| 19:17.31 | xtc_ | ps -p 1 |
| 19:17.31 | xtc_ | PID TTY TIME CMD |
| 19:17.31 | xtc_ | 1 ? 00:00:04 systemd |
| 19:17.34 | xtc_ | same here |
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| 19:18.44 | SynrGy | so you *are* running it as pid 1 |
| 19:18.48 | SynrGy | i thought you said you weren't |
| 19:18.50 | xtc_ | /sbin/init |
| 19:18.54 | xtc_ | well ps aux |
| 19:19.01 | xtc_ | is showing /sbin/init on PID 1 |
| 19:19.07 | xtc_ | when i run ps -p 1 |
| 19:19.09 | xtc_ | it isnt |
| 19:19.11 | SynrGy | check what /sbin/init is a symlink to |
| 19:19.11 | xtc_ | so another bug |
| 19:19.12 | xtc_ | :) |
| 19:19.16 | SynrGy | no, that is not a bug |
| 19:19.36 | xtc_ | init -> /lib/systemd/systemd |
| 19:19.37 | xtc_ | ah okay |
| 19:19.39 | SynrGy | also, just as the bug report said, kernel ring buffer is only a fallback |
| 19:19.43 | xtc_ | yes |
| 19:19.46 | xtc_ | so systemd is there |
| 19:19.47 | SynrGy | as soon as the journal is set up, it logs to that |
| 19:19.50 | SynrGy | so there is no bug here |
| 19:19.52 | xtc_ | why is it using fallback? |
| 19:19.52 | SynrGy | not in your case |
| 19:19.58 | SynrGy | 16:19 < SynrGy> as soon as the journal is set up, it logs to that |
| 19:20.03 | xtc_ | journal is up |
| 19:20.04 | SynrGy | ^^ this is not set up yet when it does |
| 19:20.14 | SynrGy | presumably not for that one message |
| 19:20.28 | xtc_ | is there a manual? |
| 19:20.45 | xtc_ | man pages of systemd dont help me |
| 19:20.48 | SynrGy | !systemd |
| 19:20.48 | dpkg | systemd is a system and service manager for Linux, compatible with SysV and LSB init scripts. It is a replacement for <sysvinit>. systemd shipped as a technology preview in Debian 7 "Wheezy" and is the default init system in Debian 8 "Jessie". https://wiki.debian.org/systemd #debian-systemd on irc.oftc.net http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd #systemd on irc.freenode.net. See also <why systemd>. |
| 19:20.57 | SynrGy | look at the upstream wiki? |
| 19:21.07 | tremon | I'd say it is still a bug if -logind can not be configured to keep its hands off kmsg, even if there is no journal |
| 19:21.17 | SynrGy | yes, but maybe not *this* bug |
| 19:21.27 | xtc_ | journald.conf |
| 19:21.31 | SynrGy | since i think this had to do with running logind standalone |
| 19:21.37 | xtc_ | there is nothing in there to disable login messages |
| 19:21.38 | xtc_ | :) |
| 19:22.05 | xtc_ | same for logind.conf |
| 19:22.36 | SynrGy | it's beyond my ability to help. see #debian-systemd @ irc.oftc.net |
| 19:22.58 | xtc_ | [345358.472055] systemd-journald[5396]: Deleted empty journal /run/log/journal/e8c485524e53e34e6b4b98945216705a/system@70d8aeb4959043b8bc95c2fc6b80e76a-0000000000000000-0000000000000000.journal (8388608 bytes). |
| 19:23.01 | xtc_ | lool |
| 19:23.14 | xtc_ | systemd is beyond help |
| 19:23.16 | xtc_ | not me |
| 19:23.23 | xtc_ | want to remove it |
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| 19:23.29 | xtc_ | wheezy was all good |
| 19:23.30 | SynrGy | !remove systemd |
| 19:23.30 | dpkg | To use an init system other than systemd in jessie, install the systemd-shim package (for logind) and remove the systemd-sysv package: aptitude install systemd-shim sysvinit-core systemd-sysv-. To stick with sysvinit for wheezy->jessie upgrades, follow the pinning advice in the release notes: http://deb.li/30Kby - See also <upstart> and <openrc> |
| 19:23.35 | SynrGy | !enter |
| 19:23.36 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 19:24.04 | xtc_ | i mean why wasnt it prepared beforehand with proper settings? |
| 19:24.12 | SynrGy | xtc_: pay attention to release notes. you went into the upgrade without reading them, i presume |
| 19:24.13 | xtc_ | so that those dmesg messages dont appear |
| 19:24.22 | xtc_ | yes of course |
| 19:24.36 | SynrGy | you would have avoided being upgraded to systemd had you read them |
| 19:24.47 | xtc_ | it didnt ask |
| 19:24.49 | xtc_ | during upgrade |
| 19:24.55 | xtc_ | if i want it or not |
| 19:24.58 | SynrGy | it's not an upgrade option. it's in the release notes |
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| 19:25.43 | xtc_ | i am sure 100k other ppl have the same issue |
| 19:25.56 | xtc_ | i did upgrade couple of vms |
| 19:25.59 | xtc_ | same there |
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| 19:26.17 | smith2 | Hi |
| 19:26.18 | smith2 | maybe someone has a clue on this: I have an external display via HDMI. I have configured it using kernel command line parameters. The screen is turned on during boot, I can see the console text and so on. When the Window Manager starts (Cinnamon), the screen gets dimmed after a few seconds. If I shutdown the computer it will turn on showing the console before the computer shuts down. Changing between tty will also turn the TV on. |
| 19:26.23 | SynrGy | 100k people are educated enough to care which init system they want but too clueless to read the release notes? |
| 19:26.27 | SynrGy | i find this hard to believe |
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| 19:26.41 | tattoli | ouch |
| 19:27.01 | xtc_ | there can be only one init system |
| 19:27.04 | xtc_ | not 2 or 3 |
| 19:27.09 | xtc_ | and its definitely wrong |
| 19:27.15 | SynrGy | sure. whatever. i gave you the help you needed above |
| 19:27.21 | xtc_ | thx :) |
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| 19:27.27 | xtc_ | i will ask at other help channel |
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| 19:27.49 | SynrGy | i mean, there are instructions there for replacing it |
| 19:28.06 | SynrGy | and if you run into issues, we're here to help |
| 19:28.12 | xtc_ | but why force new init system? |
| 19:28.14 | xtc_ | on upgrade |
| 19:28.29 | SynrGy | this has been discussed to death. look back at the debian-devel mailing list archives |
| 19:28.36 | xtc_ | debian becoming like microsoft |
| 19:28.43 | SynrGy | editorializing. off-topic. |
| 19:28.50 | SynrGy | also, "biting the hand that feeds you" |
| 19:28.55 | xtc_ | :P |
| 19:29.38 | xtc_ | like this dirty trick with the symlink |
| 19:29.48 | xtc_ | so that systemd is hiding on ps aux |
| 19:29.50 | SynrGy | dirty? two init systems have to provide init. |
| 19:30.17 | SynrGy | it's logical to use a symlink in that case. it's common practice. |
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| 19:30.32 | SynrGy | assume good faith here. |
| 19:30.35 | teraflop | xtc_: what was your ssue i forgot because of the miting |
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| 19:31.16 | SynrGy | teraflop: a) he believed he did not have systemd as pid 1 due to ps showing /sbin/init and b) dmesg being polluted by systemd-logind |
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| 19:31.50 | SynrGy | since i was unaware of a) until later, i thought b) was caused by a bug (cited above) afflicting logind run standalone |
| 19:31.52 | xtc_ | systemd spamming dmesg |
| 19:31.53 | xtc_ | :P |
| 19:31.54 | SynrGy | that appears not to be the case |
| 19:31.57 | xtc_ | by default upgrade |
| 19:32.21 | xtc_ | i mean how long was jessie unstable? |
| 19:32.25 | xtc_ | and this wasnt fixed |
| 19:32.25 | xtc_ | :P |
| 19:32.29 | teraflop | xtc_: from where comes the garbage? Some cron job? |
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| 19:32.43 | SynrGy | xtc_: http://paste.debian.net/170572/ |
| 19:32.44 | xtc_ | login message when you login |
| 19:32.51 | SynrGy | this is hardly spam. i don't know where your problem comes from |
| 19:32.58 | SynrGy | probably that journal deleted message |
| 19:33.04 | SynrGy | but i don't know what causes that |
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| 19:33.15 | SynrGy | it may not be a very common issue |
| 19:33.21 | teraflop | Anyway this is not the place for the complains imo |
| 19:33.48 | SynrGy | the complaints are tolerable so long as we're still focused mostly on solving the issue |
| 19:33.52 | teraflop | People tries to help here thats all |
| 19:33.56 | xtc_ | it is not fresh install |
| 19:33.59 | SynrGy | yes. i'm trying to help |
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| 19:34.02 | xtc_ | upgrade of wheezy |
| 19:34.13 | SynrGy | sure. so there's some question as to why your journal is deleted ... |
| 19:34.25 | SynrGy | we can guess probably this is why you see the logind message |
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| 19:34.37 | SynrGy | now that we know the ring buffer is a fallback |
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| 19:34.52 | xtc_ | that message appeared when i restarted the journal |
| 19:34.56 | xtc_ | [345336.437020] systemd-journald[5396]: Received request to flush runtime journal from PID 1 |
| 19:35.05 | xtc_ | but it still doesnt belong there |
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| 19:35.15 | teraflop | xtc_: journal is not persistent in jessie unless you tell explicitly to do so |
| 19:35.15 | blackflow | from pid 1? the journal is in pid 1? |
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| 19:35.30 | SynrGy | (xtc_ pasted that message 13 minutes ago) |
| 19:35.33 | xtc_ | from pid 1 |
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| 19:35.49 | xtc_ | systemctl restart systemd-journald |
| 19:36.00 | babilen | How is that surprising? |
| 19:36.04 | teraflop | xtc_: take a look at /var/log there is no journal folder |
| 19:36.06 | xtc_ | when i run this it shouldnt show up in dmesg |
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| 19:36.30 | xtc_ | there is |
| 19:36.43 | xtc_ | install -d -g systemd-journal /var/log/journal |
| 19:36.44 | xtc_ | setfacl -R -nm g:adm:rx,d:g:adm:rx /var/log/journal |
| 19:36.46 | xtc_ | i did that |
| 19:36.50 | xtc_ | after googling |
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| 19:37.13 | babilen | So the entire issue you are having is that you have additional entries in dmesg? |
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| 19:37.27 | xtc_ | unimportant information in dmesg yes |
| 19:37.28 | SynrGy | i think so, yes. that and being automatically upgraded to systemd |
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| 19:37.30 | babilen | xtc_: You wouldn't have to google for that as it is documented in /usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian |
| 19:37.31 | ahuegyua | . |
| 19:37.31 | ahuegyua | did usa intelligence supply isis with weapons like they did with al-qaeda to justify creating wars? |
| 19:37.31 | ahuegyua | did usa excute the creative mess in the middle east like they said they will, does the creative mess include explosions with uncertain responsibles to create wars? |
| 19:37.31 | ahuegyua | plz, send my qs to help limiting usa & israel aggression against others& may then lessen number of people killed in the middle east. |
| 19:37.31 | ahuegyua | .did usa intelligence supply isis with weapons like they did with al-qaeda to justify creating wars? |
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| 19:37.36 | SynrGy | but xtc_ also complained "i want to get rid of systemd" |
| 19:37.46 | SynrGy | so if that's the real focus, we should stop debugging this |
| 19:37.57 | SynrGy | as the only purpose seems to be grinding an axe |
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| 19:38.08 | babilen | I wonder why xtc decided to install systemd during the upgrade then |
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| 19:38.33 | blackflow | is there an option not to? |
| 19:38.34 | SynrGy | babilen: didn't read release notes |
| 19:38.43 | SynrGy | babilen: apparently 100k people have this problem too |
| 19:38.45 | teraflop | xtc_: nah just edit the journal unit and tell to do so dirty silly hack |
| 19:38.58 | SynrGy | i'm sad to hear this |
| 19:39.32 | babilen | blackflow: sure -- https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#systemd-upgrade-default-init-system |
| 19:39.53 | xtc_ | rid of if it is not easy fix :) |
| 19:39.55 | SynrGy | yep. people were worried about this. debian listened. |
| 19:39.59 | SynrGy | debian addressed the issue |
| 19:40.04 | blackflow | babilen: thanks. |
| 19:40.06 | babilen | Either way. I believe the bug in question has been linked to and there are ways to use a different init system (cf. <remove systemd>). |
| 19:40.15 | xtc_ | systemd doesnt bother me if it is configured and running properly |
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| 19:40.48 | xtc_ | but upgrading to new debian version always means everything was tested |
| 19:40.53 | xtc_ | every config was good by default |
| 19:40.55 | babilen | xtc_: So work on it. Reply to the bug, investigate code ... There is very little *we* can do right now and this really isn't a good place for ranting. |
| 19:40.59 | tuxcrafter | GRUB_ENABLE_SUBMENUS=false |
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| 19:41.09 | tuxcrafter | i added that to /etc/default/grub |
| 19:41.17 | tuxcrafter | but i keep getting submenus |
| 19:41.18 | SynrGy | xtc_: on my system there are a tiny handful of systemd messages in the ring buffer. this is really "not configured properly"? i've seen far more 'junk' in there from other things |
| 19:41.24 | tylerdurden | My network card is using the wrong kernel driver. Its using vfio-pci that other devices need on that machine. How do I force my network card to use ath9k |
| 19:41.24 | babilen | Sure. systemd update was the only thing *ever* that introduced problems. :-/ |
| 19:41.25 | SynrGy | i hardly think it causes any real end-user problem |
| 19:41.31 | tuxcrafter | after running update-grub |
| 19:41.34 | xtc_ | logind |
| 19:41.37 | xtc_ | only message left |
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| 19:42.07 | babilen | xtc_: What are you trying to achieve now? |
| 19:42.10 | chimeracoder | was on Arch when they switched to systemd |
| 19:42.19 | chimeracoder | now *that* was a painful update |
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| 19:42.29 | chimeracoder | the Debian switch is not |
| 19:42.30 | xtc_ | ah nvmnd |
| 19:42.34 | xtc_ | systemctl restart systemd-logind |
| 19:42.37 | xtc_ | now it doesnt show |
| 19:42.41 | xtc_ | when i relogin |
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| 19:43.07 | SynrGy | xtc_: so we're all good now? |
| 19:43.16 | xtc_ | so installing journal in /var/log |
| 19:43.18 | xtc_ | is essential |
| 19:43.21 | xtc_ | and restart of the service |
| 19:43.25 | xtc_ | yes |
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| 19:43.49 | xtc_ | i will add it to my wiki now |
| 19:44.04 | xtc_ | hope next debian upgrade packages are installing it into /var/log by default |
| 19:44.34 | SynrGy | "hoping" without bug reports is not theologically sound ;) |
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| 19:44.52 | SynrGy | but check prior reports / changelogs to see why it was decided not to do that by default |
| 19:44.53 | teraflop | chimeracoder: me too. I also used systemd before in exherbo and i think youre right |
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| 19:46.33 | teraflop | xtc_: there is no intalling is about eabling persistente journal and no need of dirty silly hacks |
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| 19:47.46 | xtc_ | http://i.rx0.eu/s/wuLZjKLNCAx2.png |
| 19:47.52 | xtc_ | so i am happy |
| 19:48.41 | KjetilK | I did an wheezy->jessie upgrade yesterday, and it wasn't totally smooth. |
| 19:48.50 | KjetilK | For some reason, the /dev/mapper node for the root file system isn't there anymore, so the system is unbootable :-( |
| 19:49.07 | KjetilK | The root filesystem is on an SSD, and the SSD itself gets a node as /dev/sdb1 is there |
| 19:49.23 | KjetilK | the kernel parameters list /dev/mapper/fast-root for the root filesystem, which is correct but of course it fails since it is not there |
| 19:49.30 | KjetilK | Where do I start to fix this? |
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| 19:50.27 | tuxcrafter | # bwm-ng |
| 19:50.27 | tuxcrafter | libstatgrab error! |
| 19:50.35 | tuxcrafter | ^debian 8 bug |
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| 19:51.49 | xtc_ | SynrGy: thx again |
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| 19:52.59 | xtc_ | hm /dev/mapper sounds like cryptsetup? |
| 19:53.11 | SynrGy | or lvm |
| 19:53.12 | tremon | KjetilK: if it's failing inside initramfs, you may be able to bring it only manually. First try a lvm lvscan to see it the volume group is open |
| 19:53.28 | tremon | or lvm vgscan to scan for volume groups |
| 19:53.33 | xtc_ | ah terrible lvm :) |
| 19:53.43 | SynrGy | i've seen a number of lvm eff-ups for this upgrade |
| 19:54.04 | KjetilK | SynrGy, tremon: Yeah, it is lvm |
| 19:54.08 | xtc_ | havent been using it for ages |
| 19:54.19 | xtc_ | no advantage there anymore :/ |
| 19:54.25 | tremon | I haven't upgraded a system since the freeze, but I haven't had issues upgrading yet, and all my systems use lvm |
| 19:54.40 | KjetilK | and it falls into initramfs, but it didn't seem to have the lvm on the command line... |
| 19:55.04 | tremon | hmm, if there's no lvm that would certainly explain the boot failure |
| 19:55.09 | SynrGy | i had issues, but my upgrades were pre-release, before all systemd bugs were shaken out. they tended to be in the broad category "systemd didn't like something in my /etc/fstab" |
| 19:55.13 | KjetilK | could it possibly be that some lvm related stuff was removed in the upgrade...? |
| 19:55.25 | SynrGy | upon inspection, each thing was an error in my configuration anyway, which i fixed. |
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| 19:55.40 | tremon | lvm probably wasn't removed completely, but as part of the upgrade the initramfs is rebuilt |
| 19:55.52 | KjetilK | nods |
| 19:56.06 | tremon | it's possible that some package upgrade (systemd, udev, kernel itself) broke the lvm detection |
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| 19:56.29 | KjetilK | I had some systemd problem in my pre-freeze upgrade of a different box, but that issue is ironed out |
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| 19:56.43 | KjetilK | scary... |
| 19:56.52 | tremon | KjetilK: if you have a initramfs*bak file, try booting with that (probably old kernel as well). press E in the grub menu to edit, you can use tab-completion |
| 19:57.10 | xtc_ | so far debian is stable and faster with vms than before |
| 19:57.18 | KjetilK | tremon, ok, I'll try |
| 19:57.35 | KjetilK | that box is in the basement, I have to run off to try it |
| 19:57.48 | tremon | KjetilK: otherwise, get a debian install cd and boot it into rescue mode |
| 19:58.12 | tremon | you can use update-initramfs to regenerate, and use lsinitramfs to view the files inside the initramfs |
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| 20:00.30 | xtc_ | so i like it :) |
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| 20:01.22 | xtc_ | http://i.rx0.eu/s/3KGyU4XEOR2r.png |
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| 20:01.33 | xtc_ | cpu load is shared more equaly |
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| 20:07.19 | xtc_ | anyway i am out now thx again |
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| 20:10.23 | KjetilK | hmmm, where would I look for a initramfs*bak? |
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| 20:13.03 | tremon | KjetilK: sorry, thinko. the current initramfs is called /boot/initrd-`uname -r`, try to look for the same filename with .bak |
| 20:13.12 | valdyn | KjetilK: when your system fails to boot and falls into that busybox shell, you can |
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| 20:13.20 | tremon | argh. initrd.img-`uname -r` |
| 20:13.25 | valdyn | KjetilK: run "vgchange -ay" and continue booting |
| 20:13.43 | valdyn | KjetilK: (and whatever else may be needed can of course be run too) |
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| 20:14.00 | valdyn | KjetilK: Ctrl-D to continue |
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| 20:15.00 | KjetilK | valdyn, isn't vgchange something that lvm does...? |
| 20:15.11 | valdyn | KjetilK: yes |
| 20:15.18 | KjetilK | I mean, the command line lvm program? |
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| 20:15.34 | valdyn | KjetilK: yes |
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| 20:15.58 | Gubber | hello |
| 20:16.06 | KjetilK | so, my problem is that lvm is not available in the busybox shell |
| 20:16.17 | valdyn | KjetilK: have you tried? |
| 20:16.18 | KjetilK | the module isn't running, I also confirmed |
| 20:16.20 | KjetilK | yeah |
| 20:16.32 | valdyn | KjetilK: what have you tried? |
| 20:16.38 | KjetilK | runs to try just one more time, just in case |
| 20:16.43 | valdyn | KjetilK: theres no "lvm" module |
| 20:17.30 | tremon | lvm is like busybox, all lvm subcommands are also runnable as separate programs. I had him run "lvm vgscan", which returned lvm: command not found |
| 20:17.51 | valdyn | tremon: i see |
| 20:17.56 | KjetilK | points at tremon and nods |
| 20:18.01 | tremon | maybe should have asked for vgscan and vgchange directly as well, but last time I checked, not all symlinks were present in initramfs |
| 20:18.05 | valdyn | tremon: but that command is probably not in the busybox, i dont know |
| 20:18.33 | KjetilK | I tried just vgchange too, and that also return "/bin/sh: Not found" or something like that |
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| 20:18.41 | valdyn | the debian bootscripts just run vgchange |
| 20:19.26 | asterismo | hi people |
| 20:19.35 | valdyn | KjetilK: check the path |
| 20:19.50 | valdyn | KjetilK: its in /sbin |
| 20:19.50 | KjetilK | OK; runs off to check |
| 20:20.00 | asterismo | any idea on how to get a command (irc server start) as a non-root user run at startup via cronjob? |
| 20:20.03 | valdyn | (or should be) |
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| 20:20.55 | valdyn | asterismo: as that user, run "crontab -e" and edit away, alternatively put your job into /etc/cron.d/ |
| 20:21.47 | asterismo | valdyn: never really deal with cron, so looking on syntaxis |
| 20:21.53 | KjetilK | valdyn, $PATH looks OK, /sbin/ is first in it, but lvm is not in /sbin... :-( |
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| 20:22.01 | asterismo | because this is no periodic job |
| 20:22.06 | fLoo | anyone here using jessie host + kvm ? |
| 20:22.08 | asterismo | it's a startup once job |
| 20:22.10 | valdyn | KjetilK: i was talking about "vgchange", not lvm |
| 20:22.16 | xtc_ | fLoo: yes |
| 20:22.18 | KjetilK | runs back |
| 20:22.19 | xtc_ | see above |
| 20:22.24 | xtc_ | http://i.rx0.eu/s/3KGyU4XEOR2r.png |
| 20:22.28 | xtc_ | running perfect |
| 20:22.28 | xtc_ | :P |
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| 20:22.29 | fLoo | xtc_: can you install a jessie vm ON a jessie host system ? |
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| 20:22.43 | xtc_ | fLoo: i have 2 jessie 2 wheezy atm |
| 20:22.46 | xtc_ | on jessie host |
| 20:23.03 | xtc_ | doesnt really matter |
| 20:23.11 | fLoo | ok .. so on wheezy everything worked fine .. on jessie, after installing a jessie VM, it gets stuck at "loading initial ramdisk" |
| 20:23.17 | valdyn | asterismo: google about crontab. the *time* to run is simply "@reboot", not the usualy hh mm dd ... |
| 20:23.18 | fLoo | you use raw or qcow2 ? |
| 20:23.19 | KjetilK | valdyn, nope, vconfig is the only thing there starting with a 'v' |
| 20:23.22 | xtc_ | i did jessie upgrade on vm first |
| 20:23.31 | fLoo | im using a clean host install |
| 20:23.38 | xtc_ | so wheezy was host system before |
| 20:23.51 | valdyn | KjetilK: oh well, you need a livecd then and fix from there |
| 20:24.06 | KjetilK | nods |
| 20:24.17 | fLoo | xtc_: ok i'm on a clean jessie host .. windows works (doh!) inside vm with RAW disc on LVM (no qcow2) |
| 20:24.18 | xtc_ | fLoo: fresh install? |
| 20:24.23 | KjetilK | a jessie livecd, or will something older do? |
| 20:24.33 | valdyn | KjetilK: grml |
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| 20:24.52 | valdyn | !grml |
| 20:24.52 | dpkg | grml is a bootable CD (Live CD) originally <based on> Knoppix, now Debian. It includes a collection of GNU/Linux software especially for users of text tools and system administrators. It can be used as a rescue system, for analyzing systems/networks or as a working environment. http://grml.org/ #grml on irc.freenode.net. |
| 20:24.57 | valdyn | KjetilK: anything should do though |
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| 20:25.55 | xtc_ | fLoo: only upgrades so far no fresh install |
| 20:25.56 | KjetilK | downloads grml and then sees if something older is still lying around |
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| 20:26.56 | fLoo | xtc_: damn :| |
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| 20:27.31 | xtc_ | fLoo: did you do manual install and partition stuff? |
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| 20:28.29 | fLoo | yes |
| 20:28.29 | fLoo | http://paste.debian.net/170594/ |
| 20:28.36 | fLoo | here is my install routine which worked with wheezy |
| 20:28.46 | fLoo | now this doesnt give me a working jessie vm anymore |
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| 20:28.56 | xtc_ | i am doing it differently |
| 20:29.01 | xtc_ | i am mounting the iso |
| 20:29.06 | xtc_ | and booting from it |
| 20:29.10 | xtc_ | for installation |
| 20:29.19 | fLoo | how u get console redirected to your terminal |
| 20:29.22 | fLoo | when using iso ? |
| 20:29.25 | xtc_ | novnc |
| 20:29.35 | fLoo | i see |
| 20:29.39 | fLoo | gonna test this, hang on ;-) |
| 20:29.40 | xtc_ | https://github.com/retspen/webvirtmgr |
| 20:29.44 | xtc_ | it helps a lot :) |
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| 20:31.19 | xtc_ | http://i.rx0.eu/s/WEQB5qQDwwMt.png |
| 20:31.22 | xtc_ | i can recommend it |
| 20:31.43 | xtc_ | of course you can use virsh command line but it is always pain with so many commands :) |
| 20:31.55 | jacky_Zzzz | one last thing: i didn't have to read the documentation to get systemd... so why force people to read the documentation to get sysv instead offering them an option at install time... this is someone pushing an agenda... |
| 20:31.58 | fLoo | im fine with virsh ;) |
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| 20:32.11 | shay_shay | I am about to get a nvidia gtx970, the drivers are only in experimental (not even sid). can anyone chime in on this, would I be shooting myself in the foot? |
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| 20:32.49 | shay_shay | I assume they will make it into jessie backports eventually |
| 20:33.03 | xtc_ | fLoo: yeah it is just frontend |
| 20:33.07 | xtc_ | so both is fine |
| 20:33.16 | xtc_ | but you can use vnc over your browser |
| 20:33.16 | xtc_ | :P |
| 20:33.21 | xtc_ | to get local console |
| 20:33.21 | centrx | shay_shay, since jessie was released recently, it may not be a problem to use software from testing/sid |
| 20:33.23 | xtc_ | i like it |
| 20:33.24 | fLoo | thats bs:P |
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| 20:33.40 | centrx | shay_shay, however, since it's in experimental, you can't be sure it even works without further digging |
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| 20:35.33 | shay_shay | centrx: yeah i googled it and only found a single thread on reddit, by reading between the lines assume it works |
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| 20:36.32 | centrx | shay_shay, you can look at any dependencies it brings it, or just download it from the web and install with dpkg -i, see if it requests dependencies |
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| 20:36.48 | centrx | might or might not require any other updates |
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| 20:37.56 | shay_shay | centrx: i'll have to make a vm test bunny since i'm at work |
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| 20:38.16 | Nicolas_Leonidas | hi |
| 20:38.18 | Nicolas_Leonidas | http://paste.debian.net/170599/ |
| 20:38.28 | Nicolas_Leonidas | I'm trying to run 3 commands in sequence, but in the background |
| 20:38.37 | xtc_ | now i need to fix this serverstatus thing :P |
| 20:39.06 | Nicolas_Leonidas | I'm basically trying to do ((command1) && (command2) && (command3)) & |
| 20:39.11 | Nicolas_Leonidas | does that work |
| 20:39.13 | Nicolas_Leonidas | ? |
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| 20:39.54 | badbodh | i think you need | separators |
| 20:40.22 | dutchfish | Nicolas_Leonidas, relying on ssh comression is a better option |
| 20:40.23 | badbodh | do this|do that|do more|do this too |
| 20:40.30 | dutchfish | compression* |
| 20:40.41 | shay_shay | badbodh: no, he needs ; unless he wants the second to run only on 0 exit status of the first |
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| 20:40.46 | shay_shay | and then he needs && |
| 20:40.47 | xtc_ | fLoo: thats all neat to have https://s.lolis.in/ :) |
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| 20:41.20 | shay_shay | the ('s are for subshells so the process is not a child of the terminal he spawned them from, so they should surround the entire chain |
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| 20:41.33 | shay_shay | (command;command;command) |
| 20:41.35 | badbodh | shay_shay, he is trying to wget a file, extract it then move the folders. he needs exit status |
| 20:41.41 | badbodh | look at the pastebin |
| 20:41.46 | cha-tango | Hi just installed jessy. wifi works fine gnome is a bit cpu consuming like 50% even in classic |
| 20:42.01 | cha-tango | and a few spikes |
| 20:42.03 | somiaj | cha-tango: use something like top to figure out which process is actually eating up your cpu. |
| 20:42.15 | somiaj | also I didn't think jessie had fallback or clasic mode for gnome anymore |
| 20:42.34 | shay_shay | badbodh: ah so he doesnt need the subshell(s) at all |
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| 20:43.25 | badbodh | no |
| 20:43.32 | avallark | quick question, whats the name of the debian testing branch? |
| 20:43.37 | shay_shay | only time i use exit status is when i'm doing something that very criticially rely on the last thing, for example: if cd ~; do touch .profile; done |
| 20:43.39 | cha-tango | gnome -shell is taking is the top consumer 27 and 50 spikes |
| 20:43.59 | shay_shay | in that example if i didnt cd into ~ then i would have made a .profile in some other directory accidentally |
| 20:44.03 | devster31 | hi, I'm trying to set a new mount with systemd, I created a mountpoint.mount file under /etc/systemd/user, but after reloading systemd I still can't activate it |
| 20:44.25 | valdyn | cha-tango: your "classic" mode in jessie should be cpu based opengl still |
| 20:44.32 | valdyn | cha-tango: which of course will use cpu |
| 20:44.51 | badbodh | avallark, stretch ? |
| 20:45.04 | fLoo | fyi: install from iso worked, install from url ot |
| 20:45.05 | fLoo | not |
| 20:45.06 | fLoo | lol |
| 20:45.15 | cha-tango | valdyn: wheezy not so mutch consuming |
| 20:45.34 | valdyn | cha-tango: thats correct |
| 20:45.47 | cha-tango | i might install lxde |
| 20:45.50 | xtc_ | fLoo: okay :) |
| 20:46.00 | valdyn | cha-tango: if you're worried about that and do not have a support gfx card, use something else |
| 20:46.16 | xtc_ | so a bug? |
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| 20:46.21 | fLoo | seemsso |
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| 20:46.25 | fLoo | gonna fill a bugreport now |
| 20:46.25 | avallark | badbodh: thanks mate :) |
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| 20:46.30 | valdyn | cha-tango: unsupported should be anything that needs non-free fglrx. I think everything else is supported. |
| 20:46.58 | KRISSS | hi, who use proxmox ? |
| 20:47.02 | KRISSS | and windows |
| 20:47.39 | cha-tango | valdyn: im going lxde |
| 20:47.51 | xtc_ | hm proxmox |
| 20:48.45 | cha-tango | well i have 1 core cpu but intell fake that has 2 |
| 20:48.51 | KRISSS | or you have good another virt, system |
| 20:49.00 | xtc_ | kvm/qemu |
| 20:49.05 | cha-tango | hypertreding or someting like that |
| 20:49.08 | valdyn | cha-tango: for gnome-shell you need hardware accelerated graphics |
| 20:49.25 | KRISSS | proxmox use kvm |
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| 20:49.28 | xtc_ | lol |
| 20:49.35 | xtc_ | so it is front end? |
| 20:49.46 | KRISSS | yes |
| 20:49.50 | cha-tango | valdyn: got an old ati eax1050 |
| 20:49.51 | valdyn | cha-tango: certainly not a fancy cpu, it works perfectly fine on like an ancient ibm x30 (or maybe thats lenovo already) |
| 20:50.02 | nudoge | why do I have to type out pathways to run thing like sysctl and dumpe2fs on jessie? |
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| 20:50.16 | valdyn | nudoge: you dont |
| 20:50.24 | xtc_ | KRISSS: i can boot win 2012 server to test |
| 20:50.31 | xtc_ | but i am sure it does work after upgrading |
| 20:50.32 | xtc_ | :P |
| 20:50.38 | Nicolas_Leonidas | this is not working http://paste.debian.net/170604/ |
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| 20:50.50 | somiaj | nudoge: are yo utrying to do this as root or as your user? |
| 20:50.52 | Nicolas_Leonidas | it should download and extract sequencially |
| 20:50.52 | valdyn | nudoge: /sbin is not in users $PATH |
| 20:51.01 | Nicolas_Leonidas | and simultaniously do the touch and rm |
| 20:51.04 | Nicolas_Leonidas | any ideas why? |
| 20:51.07 | nudoge | ty valdyn |
| 20:51.11 | valdyn | nudoge: maybe you mean that *sudo* is different now |
| 20:51.12 | KRISSS | i turn on win 2012 r2 std |
| 20:51.28 | KRISSS | but cant hot plug cpu |
| 20:51.33 | xtc_ | Nicolas_Leonidas: how about a bash script? |
| 20:51.40 | xtc_ | sounds like a job for it |
| 20:51.40 | xtc_ | :P |
| 20:51.47 | Nicolas_Leonidas | xtc_: it is a bash script |
| 20:52.00 | Nicolas_Leonidas | I'm trying to learn how to do that in a bash script |
| 20:52.01 | xtc_ | for ne it looks like 1 liner |
| 20:52.03 | xtc_ | not bash |
| 20:52.03 | xtc_ | :P |
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| 20:52.36 | mdim | hi all |
| 20:52.45 | carp | Hi, I installed wheezy about a week ago. I am reading about how to update to jessie. On this page https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html#_system_wide_upgrade It says "When moving to a new release etc, you should consider to perform a clean installation of new system". Seeing as my install is essentially completely fresh, would you guys recommend I do this and install Jessie from scratch rather than upgrade? |
| 20:52.46 | Nicolas_Leonidas | xtc_: how would u do it in a bash script ? |
| 20:52.49 | mdim | I just observed a disturbing thing on my Debian 8 laptop |
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| 20:52.58 | nudoge | valdyn: thats what it is |
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| 20:53.08 | mdim | so, I have /home encrypted and when the system is booting, one needs to enter a password to proceed |
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| 20:53.29 | nudoge | valdyn: I was just getting used to all the commands that didnt' require sudo :( |
| 20:53.35 | mdim | I turned on my laptop, closed the lid, and went for lunch. I got back, and instead of asking me for password, I was at a root shell! |
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| 20:53.45 | KRISSS | xtc_: do you have any sugestion? |
| 20:53.46 | mdim | this sounds to me like a big problem |
| 20:53.55 | valdyn | nudoge: sbin never was in users $PATH by default |
| 20:54.11 | carp | A problem is that it was a bit tricky to get my wireless card working with wheezy, and now that it is all working I dont really want to have to go through it again, (involved ndiswrapper). Not sure if upgrading to jessie would require me to do this again anyway though. |
| 20:54.12 | valdyn | nudoge: but it was in it when using sudo, so you're confusing me |
| 20:54.40 | dutchfish | mdim, su - is a sustained connection like a local root logon, sudo is not, it times out |
| 20:54.59 | nudoge | valdyn: ya it worked with sudo I just have to modify the path for the user. |
| 20:55.07 | mdim | dutchfish: what does that mean. I don't get it |
| 20:55.10 | valdyn | nudoge: nah |
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| 20:55.37 | nudoge | valdyn: so... its a security feature? |
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| 20:55.49 | dutchfish | mdim, did you must not leave a terminal logged on into root, unless yo have a timeout specified; sudo has per default a timeout |
| 20:56.00 | devster31 | carp you can try wicd and wicd-curses for an easier setup maybe? also depends for the upgrade, it's not always needed |
| 20:56.01 | valdyn | nudoge: echo "nudoge ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL" > /etc/sudoers.d/nudoge |
| 20:56.11 | valdyn | namix: thats basically a "fix", adjust to your liking |
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| 20:56.26 | valdyn | nudoge: ^^ |
| 20:56.30 | mdim | dutchfish: but I didn't login in the first place, so why are we talking about timeouts? |
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| 20:56.49 | cha-tango | valdyn: i remember now on wheezu i get fallback session. on gnome |
| 20:57.01 | valdyn | cha-tango: yes, i know, this changed |
| 20:57.09 | xtc_ | Nicolas_Leonidas: no idea just write it in bash http://paste.debian.net/170608/ |
| 20:57.26 | cha-tango | valdyn: i do i put my gnome desktop on fallback mode lol? |
| 20:57.32 | valdyn | cha-tango: the new fallback is *not* switching off opengl, it is using your cpu for opengl |
| 20:57.44 | dutchfish | mdim, i assumed you had logged in |
| 20:57.47 | valdyn | cha-tango: the old mode is gone |
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| 20:58.01 | cha-tango | valdyn: so i should install proprietary ati drivers? |
| 20:58.13 | dutchfish | mdim, if not, someone at least did |
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| 20:58.17 | xtc_ | if is optional just example what you can do |
| 20:58.29 | valdyn | cha-tango: no, I already said that the *only* commonly used drivers that dont work are proprietary ati drivers |
| 20:58.58 | cha-tango | valdyn: ahh sorry dint understood you |
| 20:59.23 | valdyn | cha-tango: "glxinfo | grep -i direct" and "glxinfo | grep -i client", run those commands in X, show us |
| 20:59.26 | mdim | dutchfish: no, so here is what was the sequence of events. 1) The laptop is off, 2) I turn off the laptop and leave, 3) Debian is booting and it gets to the point where it asks for a password to proceed with booting and mounting encrypted /home, 4) I get back from lunch and see the laptop is in a root shell, without typing in the password in the meantime |
| 20:59.40 | mdim | *2) I turn onn the laptop and leave |
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| 21:01.17 | cha-tango | valdyn: i used and get nothing |
| 21:01.33 | dutchfish | mdim, what does `last -n 25 reveal` (as root)? |
| 21:01.36 | valdyn | cha-tango: hardly possible |
| 21:01.42 | valdyn | cha-tango: you get a message or an error |
| 21:01.47 | meingbg | Are there any reported problems with bridge network interfaces in jessie? |
| 21:02.02 | mdim | dutchfish: I don't have a root user per se |
| 21:02.08 | dutchfish | mdim, what does `last -n 25` reveal (as root)? |
| 21:02.21 | dutchfish | mdim, or as sudoer |
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| 21:02.46 | dutchfish | mdim, and what debian system do you have? |
| 21:02.54 | mdim | dutchfish: the output is: wtmp begins Fri May 1 13:04:06 2015 |
| 21:02.55 | mdim | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:03.05 | dutchfish | mdim, dont paste in here |
| 21:03.06 | mdim | dutchfish: the just released Debian 8 stable |
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| 21:03.12 | dutchfish | ok |
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| 21:03.39 | mdim | dutchfish: that's the whole output |
| 21:03.58 | cha-tango | valdyn: direct rendering: Yes ; client glx vendor string: Mesa Project and SGI ; client glx version string: 1.4 ; client glx extensions: lol i had put the full line with and |
| 21:04.12 | dutchfish | mdim, so noone logged in, or your log has been deleted, or logging has been turned off |
| 21:04.56 | valdyn | cha-tango: and "glxinfo | grep renderer" I think |
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| 21:05.38 | cha-tango | valdyn: now i get GLX_MESA_multithread_makecurrent, GLX_MESA_query_renderer, GLX_MESA_query_renderer, GLX_OML_swap_method, GLX_SGIS_multisample, OpenGL renderer string: Gallium 0.4 on llvmpipe (LLVM 3.5, 128 bits) |
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| 21:05.57 | valdyn | cha-tango: thats it "llvmpipe" means no hw-accel |
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| 21:06.15 | cha-tango | valdyn: ahh ok |
| 21:06.44 | valdyn | cha-tango: if libgl1-mesa-dri is not installed, that might be it |
| 21:06.48 | dutchfish | mdim, or the root user lacks a password? |
| 21:06.50 | mdim | dutchfish: my question is: shouldn't the login prompt prevent other interactions? |
| 21:06.59 | dutchfish | mdim, yes |
| 21:07.05 | cha-tango | valdyn: i thought the linus had said fu to nvidea and not ati lol |
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| 21:07.37 | dutchfish | mdim, unless you have made unsafe alterations, like autologon, remote access without a secure pasword etc etc |
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| 21:07.41 | mdim | dutchfish: so why was a root shell provided if the password prompt for mounting a file system was waiting? |
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| 21:08.03 | meingbg | So I have three virtual systems A B C, where A and B are connected by virtual network 1, and B and C are connected by network 2. On system B I bridge the networks, expecting all of the systems to communicate, but B can only communicate with one of the other machines at once, never both. Any ideas? |
| 21:08.13 | valdyn | cha-tango: ati is only incompetent, so no fu there, but that does not help users |
| 21:08.20 | meingbg | This is under VirtualBox. |
| 21:08.27 | mdim | dutchfish: I do have autologin for GNOME, i.e. once you enter the file system mounting password, it will go all the way to logging into a GNOME session automatically |
| 21:08.32 | meingbg | Debian Jessie. |
| 21:08.44 | dutchfish | mdim, it shouldnt, except to enter a password, if you did a setup, like that |
| 21:09.02 | mdim | dutchfish: so how can I check what's the current setup? |
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| 21:09.55 | KjetilK | OK, finally booted my lvm-challenged box with GRML, and I'm now in it with ssh, so I don't have to run back and forth all the time |
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| 21:10.15 | KjetilK | so, now, how can I ensure I get lvm working? |
| 21:10.32 | valdyn | KjetilK: can you use chroot? |
| 21:10.45 | dutchfish | mdim, well, check your encryption setup, check the accounts and there configurations and if they have aproper password and if you have how sudoers are configured |
| 21:10.45 | KjetilK | valdyn, yeah |
| 21:10.51 | valdyn | KjetilK: go ahead, set it up |
| 21:11.47 | xtc_ | fLoo: so muss los man sieht sich :) hoffe die vms laufen alles wie geplant |
| 21:11.59 | KjetilK | valdyn, actually, I'm not sure how to use it in this situation |
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| 21:12.38 | KjetilK | since I assume that I need lvm up to have a filesystem to chroot...? |
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| 21:13.24 | dutchfish | mdim, since you did the setup you should know |
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| 21:15.21 | valdyn | KjetilK: run vgchange -ay if grml didnt already do that |
| 21:15.50 | KjetilK | valdyn, ah, right |
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| 21:16.13 | valdyn | KjetilK: http://paste.debian.net/170620/ |
| 21:16.27 | valdyn | KjetilK: *understand* that before you run it... |
| 21:17.16 | dutchfish | mdim, also check your logs |
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| 21:18.46 | KjetilK | valdyn, ok, the mounting went fine, the root filesystem now looks good, but: |
| 21:18.51 | KjetilK | root@grml ~ # chroot /mnt |
| 21:18.53 | KjetilK | chroot: failed to run command â/bin/zshâ: No such file or directory |
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| 21:19.15 | valdyn | KjetilK: heh |
| 21:19.35 | valdyn | KjetilK: ok: "chroot /mnt/ /bin/bash" |
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| 21:19.57 | valdyn | KjetilK: i didnt know that grml suddenly use zsh as default |
| 21:20.34 | KjetilK | valdyn, yeah, strange.. |
| 21:20.47 | KjetilK | anyway, now the chroot is good :-) |
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| 21:21.11 | valdyn | KjetilK: is everything we need there in terms of mounted filesystems? |
| 21:21.25 | valdyn | KjetilK: no extra /var or /boot or whatever? |
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| 21:21.46 | KjetilK | valdyn, yes, I think so |
| 21:21.58 | valdyn | KjetilK: dpkg -l lvm |
| 21:22.15 | valdyn | KjetilK: test your network *inside* the chroot |
| 21:22.30 | KjetilK | ah, I had /var on a different volume... |
| 21:22.40 | valdyn | KjetilK: "mount /var" |
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| 21:23.16 | KjetilK | dpkg-query: no packages found matching lvm |
| 21:23.34 | KjetilK | however: |
| 21:23.36 | KjetilK | rc lvm2 2.02.95-8 amd64 Linux Logical Volume Manager |
| 21:23.38 | tremon | lvm2 |
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| 21:23.43 | valdyn | KjetilK: oops |
| 21:23.50 | tremon | so it did get removed... |
| 21:23.52 | valdyn | KjetilK: but the issue is there... |
| 21:23.55 | valdyn | KjetilK: install it |
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| 21:24.31 | dr_hitchcock | Hi all, upgraded to jessie yesterday and now my apache server has stopped working. Anyone free to help? |
| 21:24.49 | KjetilK | OK, ii |
| 21:24.59 | KjetilK | that was pretty weird... |
| 21:25.03 | somiaj | dr_hitchcock: look at logs, figure out what is not working. |
| 21:25.04 | valdyn | KjetilK: did installing it trigger regenerating the initrd? |
| 21:25.20 | KjetilK | valdyn, yeah |
| 21:25.31 | KjetilK | so, good to reboot? |
| 21:25.32 | somiaj | dr_hitchcock: i.e. is the apache sever not starting. Or is it something about your site not working due to php, etc, but the server is running. |
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| 21:25.38 | valdyn | KjetilK: ok, i would think reboot and pray, yes |
| 21:25.39 | dr_hitchcock | how do i check the logs? |
| 21:25.58 | valdyn | dr_hitchcock: have you read the README? the changelog? |
| 21:26.05 | tremon | KjetilK: please lsinitramfs /boot/initrd-[..] | grep lv before rebooting |
| 21:26.18 | KjetilK | tremon, too late :-) |
| 21:26.37 | tremon | oh well, you'll know soon enough :) |
| 21:26.47 | valdyn | i should remember theres an easy way to check the initrd... |
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| 21:27.29 | dr_hitchcock | hmmm apache isn't restarting now. It was earlier. I'll be back. |
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| 21:28.13 | jhutchins | dr_hitchcock: /var/log/apache2/error_log |
| 21:28.18 | Fahrradkette | How do I tell apt-get to ignore nonexisting directories when removing a packet? I somehow broke it: http://pastebin.com/01n6LVrV |
| 21:28.24 | KjetilK | looking good... |
| 21:29.06 | valdyn | Fahrradkette: you modify or delete the postrm script |
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| 21:30.36 | Fahrradkette | valdyn: where do those scrips reside? |
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| 21:31.08 | valdyn | Fahrradkette: /var/lib/dpkg/info/libgtk2.0-cil.postrm |
| 21:31.26 | Fahrradkette | thanks |
| 21:31.38 | Brigo | valdyn, i think he just remove /usr/share/cli-common/packages.d/policy.2.6.glib-sharp.installcligac file |
| 21:32.08 | Fahrradkette | /usr/share/cli-common/packages.d/ is empty |
| 21:32.16 | valdyn | Brigo: someone did |
| 21:32.26 | valdyn | Fahrradkette: someone broke that, yes |
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| 21:32.53 | stacks88 | does anyone know who patches things faster for software that comes w/ both debian and ubuntu ? like say for powerdns, on here http://doc.powerdns.com/md/security/powerdns-advisory-2015-01/ it says the date is april 23rd, 2015.. but it appears that ubuntu patched it april 29th, 2015 ? http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/universe/p/pdns/pdns_3.3-2ubuntu0.1/changelog and debian jessie |
| 21:32.53 | stacks88 | was april 21st, 2015.. http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs//main/p/pdns/pdns_3.4.1-4+deb8u1_changelog .. is this just like a one time / rare thing or does debian generally patch things faster security wise vs ubuntu? |
| 21:32.55 | Brigo | valdyn, but not the postrm script, i think. |
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| 21:33.02 | valdyn | Brigo: hmm? |
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| 21:33.13 | Brigo | i think touch /usr/share/cli-common/packages.d/policy.2.6.glib-sharp.installcligac could help. |
| 21:33.17 | valdyn | Brigo: i showed him how to remove the postrm script, nothing else |
| 21:33.18 | Sublim3_ | is it possible to completely 'remove' python2.7 and then install it again. Without having to remove everything that depends on it in the meantime |
| 21:33.21 | dr_hitchcock | cat: /var/log/apache2/error_log: No such file or directory |
| 21:33.32 | Brigo | valdyn, ah, so i missread you, sorry :) |
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| 21:33.46 | somiaj | Sublim3_: since there are lots of packages that use python scripts that is very dangerous. What are you really trying to do? |
| 21:33.47 | tremon | Sublim3_: apt-get --reinstall install [..] |
| 21:33.58 | dr_hitchcock | http://pastebin.com/5WD4y5Ch |
| 21:34.06 | Sublim3_ | I'm trying to fix my python after an update from deb7 to deb8 |
| 21:34.25 | Sublim3_ | Let me make a pastebin top explain issue |
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| 21:35.30 | otyugh | hey there. Lately I did shutdown in the hurry, and now I've got a warning "mounting fs with errors, running e2fsck is recommended". But this device is where I boot. Can I repair it without using a USB stick or another PC ? |
| 21:35.57 | otyugh | like a check at bootup ? |
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| 21:36.45 | tremon | otyugh: "where you boot", do you mean your rootfs or your /boot partition? |
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| 21:36.51 | dr_hitchcock | Maybe I should backup all my files and reinstall the LAMP stack :( |
| 21:37.37 | valdyn | otyugh: usb-stick is probably the easiest method. |
| 21:37.44 | otyugh | tremon: I meant, sometimes I see a fsck step at boot |
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| 21:37.53 | otyugh | I guess we can do some kind of check into fstab |
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| 21:38.24 | otyugh | But I don't know, that's why I ask x) |
| 21:38.56 | valdyn | otyugh: stop services, remount ro, run fsck |
| 21:39.14 | valdyn | otyugh: and reboot |
| 21:39.23 | otyugh | tremon: oops, I mis-understood. No, the corrupted part is on "/", "/boot" is mounted separtetly and seem okay |
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| 21:40.18 | Sublim3_ | somiaj, tremon here is the pastebin https://bpaste.net/show/f79aab2f7d01 btw 'apt-get install --reinstall <name>' didnt fix this |
| 21:40.42 | tremon | you used to be able to force an fsck on next boot by creating a file named forcefsck in the root (i.e. touch /forcefsck). That's probably still true, I'll see if I can verify |
| 21:40.58 | valdyn | tremon: but does this use -f ? |
| 21:41.03 | somiaj | Sublim3_: what version of debian are you running? |
| 21:41.30 | Sublim3_ | I upgraded from deb7 to deb8 |
| 21:42.06 | valdyn | tremon: err, thats -p |
| 21:43.20 | somiaj | Sublim3_: well a borken python maybe hard to recove. |
| 21:43.25 | Sublim3_ | When taking a look at "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/hashlib.py" near line 115, its trying to do something with openssl, So i made sure all de dynamic links for openssl are ok, which hey are |
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| 21:43.45 | somiaj | Sublim3_: just for fun, output of 'apt-cache policy' and 'apt-cache policy python-minimal' |
| 21:43.54 | Sublim3_ | had to convert from terminator to xterm for the last few days because of this :S |
| 21:43.56 | zormit | hi, having a ~/.ssh/ directory with permission 700, I can't write any (new) files in there (e.g. 'touch test' fails with "...Permission denied.", but editing authorized_keys works). Why? |
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| 21:44.34 | somiaj | zormit: ls -ld ~/.ssh ~/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 21:44.47 | Sublim3_ | somiaj, https://bpaste.net/show/f3adb7453b84 |
| 21:46.41 | otyugh | valdyn: when you say, stop services. How would you do that ? |
| 21:46.59 | valdyn | otyugh: probably by runlevel change |
| 21:47.03 | Sublim3_ | any pointer would be apreciated, I could just re-install, but I rather do that as a worst case sceneario |
| 21:47.14 | valdyn | !runlevel |
| 21:47.14 | dpkg | 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (there are no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing <rcconf> instead. See also http://debian-administration.org/articles/212, <startup>, <file-rc>, <single-user mode>. |
| 21:47.19 | somiaj | Sublim3_: everythign looks fine, but I don't see why your python is broken and it is sometimes hard to debug. |
| 21:47.22 | otyugh | ho god. I'm not confortable with this :s |
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| 21:47.40 | zormit | somiaj: https://bpaste.net/show/3879f6073b0b |
| 21:47.41 | Sublim3_ | somiaj, it sure is, even googling this didn't show anything useful |
| 21:47.52 | valdyn | otyugh: or if you're in systemd, some target, i dont know which comes closest to single user runlevel 1 |
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| 21:48.19 | valdyn | otyugh: which debian release is it? |
| 21:48.40 | otyugh | wheezy |
| 21:49.12 | valdyn | otyugh: do you have anything really important running? |
| 21:49.23 | Sublim3_ | somiaj, can you tell me on your ssytem what is the output of : "readlink -f $(which python)" and "readlink -f $(which python2.7)" |
| 21:49.33 | otyugh | nope, just, well. IRC and a couple of stuff I can shutdown, no problem. |
| 21:49.42 | valdyn | otyugh: "init 1" |
| 21:49.54 | somiaj | Sublim3_: /usr/bin/python2.7 |
| 21:50.15 | somiaj | zormit: yea I'm not seeing why you can't write other files in side there, things look fine |
| 21:50.18 | Sublim3_ | ohh well, I might just have to re-install sometime this week |
| 21:50.19 | valdyn | otyugh: i think tremon was going to tell you if "touch /forcefsck" works with a reboot too |
| 21:50.21 | otyugh | valdyn: then mount -remount,ro /dev/sdX like that ? |
| 21:50.27 | valdyn | otyugh: yea |
| 21:50.36 | Sublim3_ | somiaj, thanks for the help |
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| 21:50.37 | valdyn | otyugh: "mount -o remount,ro /" |
| 21:50.56 | otyugh | that does seem simple. Thanks valdyn |
| 21:51.03 | Brigo | otyugh, if you are in systemd you can get that with systemd isolate <target> |
| 21:51.03 | tremon | otyugh, valdyn: I was, but it's a moot point if you've already decided to go the "init 1" route |
| 21:51.14 | otyugh | No systemd x) |
| 21:51.23 | somiaj | zormit: you aren't trying to touch a file that exists and happens to have permissions? |
| 21:51.39 | tremon | btw, /forcefsck does appear to still work in jessie, at least with sysvinit. Not sure if systemd even reads /etc/init.d/checkroot.sh |
| 21:51.58 | zormit | somiaj: nope. the directory contains only the authorized_keys at the moment. |
| 21:51.58 | Brigo | try emergency.target or rescue.target |
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| 21:52.45 | otyugh | does fsck means also e2fsck ? |
| 21:53.33 | valdyn | otyugh: the canonical name is "fsck.fsname", like for example "fsck.ext4" |
| 21:54.01 | valdyn | otyugh: but many fsck tool have some uh, branding, whatever, their own name, like e2fsck |
| 21:54.09 | valdyn | otyugh: but both works |
| 21:54.25 | carp | Hi, I installed wheezy about a week ago. I am reading about how to update to jessie. On this page https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html#_system_wide_upgrade It says "When moving to a new release etc, you should consider to perform a clean installation of new system". Seeing as my install is essentially completely fresh, would you guys recommend I do this and install Jessie from scratch rather than upgrade? |
| 21:54.27 | carp | A problem is that it was a bit tricky to get my wireless card working with wheezy, and now that it is all working I dont really want to have to go through it again, (involved ndiswrapper). Not sure if upgrading to jessie would require me to do this again anyway though. |
| 21:54.32 | carp | I am prepared to do a whole fresh install though if you guys recommend it. |
| 21:54.57 | valdyn | carp: we cant know. We cant know either if you should even upgrade. |
| 21:55.17 | Brigo | otyugh, if you want to force a fsck on boot: You can also force fsck at boot time by passing fsck.mode=force, as a kernel parameter. This will check every filesystem you have on the machine. |
| 21:55.32 | tremon | carp: you can try a debian 8 livecd to check the wifi compatibility |
| 21:55.43 | shay_shay | carp: since you dont have any time invested in it then you might as well reinstall. it would make more sense to recommend a upgrade if you had a lot of time invested in your config... backup everything important either way |
| 21:56.21 | otyugh | just one last question about this fsck ; how it is supposed to repair anyhting if I remount in read only ? |
| 21:56.28 | otyugh | ho. Nevermind, just got it x) |
| 21:56.31 | carp | Thanks guys. |
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| 21:57.04 | ryouma | for the same reason, there is little harm in upgrading, then if it does not work, installing? |
| 21:57.12 | ryouma | and the upgrade should be smooth |
| 21:57.20 | ryouma | more likely |
| 21:57.38 | ScottE | carp: Right - if you are ok with a re-install, you might as well try an upgrade. Worst case is you just do what you were going to do anyway. |
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| 21:59.10 | Fahrradkette | valdyn: thanks again for the hint. It looks like it worked. Appreciate your insight :) |
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| 22:02.20 | Jasper | Is there something like "yum distro-sync" which will revert packages back to the upstream repo versions? I used chdist a bit and didn't realize that it would install wacky packages globally. |
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| 22:04.13 | Brigo | Jasper, it isn't |
| 22:04.17 | valdyn | Jasper: not directly |
| 22:04.22 | Jasper | That's frustrating |
| 22:04.35 | Jasper | What's the usual way to revert a system back to the distro-supplied configuration |
| 22:04.38 | valdyn | Jasper: its not very hard |
| 22:04.51 | Jasper | I've been trying to no avail. |
| 22:05.28 | valdyn | Jasper: package version maybe, config too? that would be hard, unless you kept track yourself or with etckeeper or similar |
| 22:06.03 | Jasper | I installed newer versions of gcc-4.9-base, libc6, libgcc, multiarch-support |
| 22:06.05 | Jasper | By accident |
| 22:06.13 | wakatana | Hello all. I have process for which I want to know which /dev/pts/* is using. The output of "lsof -p $PROCPID | grep dev" is here: http://paste.debian.net/170606/ The problem is that this process is using /dev/ptmx file. According to "man ptmx" this file is used for creating pseudo terminal master and slaves pairs. Let me quote important part: "When a process opens /dev/ptmx, it gets a file descriptor for a pseudoterminal master (PTM), and a pseudoterminal |
| 22:06.17 | Jasper | And now when I try to do anything, it complains wildly with some wacky errors. |
| 22:06.43 | Jasper | I just want to uninstall those packages and revert back to the repo version, but when I try, it goes wacky and tries to remove my entire system. |
| 22:06.58 | valdyn | Jasper: please show "apt-cache policy libc6" |
| 22:07.40 | valdyn | Jasper: sometimes apt-get is to stupid for just downgrading one package, you need to specifiy more packages or all packages |
| 22:07.51 | Jasper | Why haven't you fixed that? |
| 22:07.53 | Jasper | valdyn, http://paste.fedoraproject.org/217696/14305180 |
| 22:08.09 | valdyn | Jasper: dependency resolution is not fixable |
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| 22:08.24 | valdyn | Jasper: improved yes, but it cannot be made perfect |
| 22:08.26 | Jasper | I feel yum does it fine? |
| 22:08.36 | valdyn | Jasper: it doesnt do what im thinking about |
| 22:08.45 | valdyn | Jasper: and i dont know yum |
| 22:09.05 | ZIPY | is mate or cinnamon lightweight? |
| 22:09.07 | Jasper | yum has a way of saying "I want to revert my system's packages back to the ones in my specified repos" |
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| 22:09.40 | valdyn | Jasper: i dont see a single debian line there |
| 22:09.54 | Jasper | valdyn, hm? |
| 22:10.02 | valdyn | Jasper: so maybe first you need to fix your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:10.06 | Jasper | No, it's fine. |
| 22:10.22 | Jasper | We have a fork of Debian with our own package sets, and I mistakenly chose to install a few sid packages which screwed the whole thing up. |
| 22:10.28 | valdyn | Jasper: then this may be a ubuntu support question, not debian |
| 22:10.32 | Jasper | Now I want to move back to our internal ones instead of the sid packages. |
| 22:10.34 | Jasper | It's not Ubuntu. |
| 22:11.25 | jelly | Jasper: which release are you supposed to be running? |
| 22:11.26 | Jasper | I know the package version says "ubuntu" in it. That's legacy and related to our build process. |
| 22:11.34 | Jasper | jelly, eos-master |
| 22:11.49 | jelly | that's... not Debian? |
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| 22:12.08 | Jasper | It's not. It's a fork of Debian. |
| 22:12.41 | jelly | then ask the eos people, I'm afraid |
| 22:12.44 | smith2 | hi there |
| 22:12.45 | smith2 | maybe someone has a clue on this: I have an external display via HDMI. I have configured it using kernel command line parameters. The screen is turned on during boot, I can see the console text and so on. When the Window Manager starts (Cinnamon), the screen gets dimmed after a few seconds. If I shutdown the computer it will turn on showing the console before the computer shuts down. Changing between tty will also turn the TV on. |
| 22:12.58 | Jasper | jelly, I am the eos people :) |
| 22:13.13 | jelly | Jasper: ha |
| 22:13.23 | Jasper | I'm simply wondering about the Debian apt-get toolset. |
| 22:13.37 | jelly | Jasper: which Debian release are you basing your OS release on? |
| 22:13.40 | Jasper | (Well, I'm one of the eos people. I'm one of them who's struggling a lot with Debian) |
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| 22:13.52 | Jasper | jelly, it's loosely based on Collabora's Singularity OS |
| 22:14.00 | jelly | good grief |
| 22:14.07 | Jasper | Which is loosely based on Debian sid and some Ubuntu LTS thing. |
| 22:14.19 | Jasper | I'm an ex-Red Hat employee, so it's really painful for me :) |
| 22:14.26 | jelly | Jasper: unfortunately for you, there's no support channel for apt |
| 22:14.34 | Jasper | Hence why I asked here. |
| 22:15.00 | Jasper | I mean, is there a reason there's no "downgrade / upgrade to the version in the repos in my sources?" |
| 22:15.22 | jelly | or dpkg itself, and this channel caters solely to Debian users because of, in part, previous mishaps with derivative-specific bugs |
| 22:15.36 | Jasper | Fair enough. |
| 22:15.38 | valdyn | Jasper: http://paste.debian.net/170628/ can generate alot of "packagename=version" lines, you can use with "xargs apt-get -y install". I cannot help you adjust that script for your use case. |
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| 22:16.07 | Jasper | I actually just went ahead and downloaded all the packages off of our build servers and did $ dpkg -i --force-depends foo.deb |
| 22:16.25 | jelly | Jasper: there are ugly workarounds, like setting pinning for a repo to priority 1000 |
| 22:16.26 | Jasper | I always feel like I'm fighting Debian, though. |
| 22:16.45 | Jasper | Like I'm doing it wrong. |
| 22:16.53 | Jasper | But it seems like there's no better way, unfortunately. |
| 22:17.03 | valdyn | Jasper: like for example? |
| 22:17.25 | jelly | Jasper: yes, that's not a debian workflow. --force-depends should be used sparingly as it breaks apt's consistent state. |
| 22:17.26 | Jasper | Like right now when I couldn't get apt to install the proper thing, and had to resort to crappy workarounds to get it to a working state. |
| 22:18.16 | Jasper | We've had issues with apt's dependency resolution algorithm being a bit crummy |
| 22:18.20 | jelly | you're supposed to "apt-get -f install" and let it solve as much as it can; carefully removing with dpkg any packages that stop apt from doing so |
| 22:18.34 | Jasper | When I did "apt-get -f install", it wanted to remove my entire OS. |
| 22:18.35 | valdyn | Jasper: it isnt really crummy, dependency is a hard problem |
| 22:18.39 | jelly | !partial downgrade |
| 22:18.40 | dpkg | This may or may not work for you, but if you've got nothing to lose then try it: (a) change sources.list (b) aptitude update (c) aptitude and then search for the upgraded packages, hit enter on them, select the correct version (d) do the same for libc6 (e) search for broken packages by pressing "b" and then fix them in the same way (f) once you have no more broken packages, hit 'g'. See <not available>. |
| 22:19.03 | Jasper | Wait, isn't "aptitude" deprecated and unmaintained? |
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| 22:19.09 | valdyn | Jasper: nah |
| 22:19.09 | jelly | nope |
| 22:19.20 | johnkeates | i think that's select |
| 22:19.24 | johnkeates | dselect* |
| 22:19.26 | johnkeates | not aptitude |
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| 22:19.38 | valdyn | Jasper: downgrading is explicitely not supported. But everyone who can handle it can either write a small shell script or use the elaborate way via aptitude |
| 22:19.48 | Jasper | downgrading isn't supported? |
| 22:20.01 | valdyn | Jasper: of course not |
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| 22:20.04 | Jasper | Why not? |
| 22:20.32 | valdyn | Jasper: because rolling back configuration is hard not for some cases impossible |
| 22:20.45 | valdyn | Jasper: because rolling back configuration is hard and not possible for some cases impossible |
| 22:20.51 | valdyn | geez |
| 22:20.53 | centrx | new versions can handle differences from the old version |
| 22:20.55 | valdyn | you get it... |
| 22:21.00 | centrx | but you can't change the old version to handle differences from the new version |
| 22:21.10 | centrx | s/differences/up-downgrading |
| 22:21.12 | johnkeates | you can, but it'd be a new version :p |
| 22:21.16 | Jasper | isn't that true for upgrading as well? |
| 22:21.24 | centrx | no, upgrading is to a new version |
| 22:21.29 | Jasper | new backwards-incompatible configure format? |
| 22:21.33 | johnkeates | yes |
| 22:21.34 | Brigo | !downgrade |
| 22:21.34 | dpkg | Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 22:21.45 | centrx | there's not much use for it anyway |
| 22:21.50 | centrx | uninstall/reinstall works |
| 22:22.10 | valdyn | not for libc6, what he did |
| 22:22.30 | johnkeates | i guess he should restore form backups |
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| 22:22.59 | valdyn | Jasper: if you need to repeat something like this, use etckeeper, snapper, any snashots, backups, whatever |
| 22:23.03 | Jasper | i'm glad about all that data that has changed in "libc6" |
| 22:23.11 | RainbowTiger | Hi |
| 22:23.18 | hiexpo | what did he do burn the bus ;/ |
| 22:23.36 | johnkeates | yes |
| 22:23.38 | RainbowTiger | Does Debian Wheezy/Jessie support "Intel XL710 Am2" ? |
| 22:23.43 | Jasper | anyway, thanks! |
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| 22:26.15 | Brigo | RainbowTiger, what kernel vesion get suppot for that target? |
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| 22:27.05 | johnkeates | it's not a target, it's a network card |
| 22:27.38 | johnkeates | RainbowTiger,: yes it works: http://www.intel.com/content/dam/www/public/us/en/documents/product-briefs/xl710-10-40-gbe-controller-brief.pdf |
| 22:27.47 | johnkeates | RainbowTiger: it only depends on the kernel version |
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| 22:28.13 | KjetilK | tremon, valdyn: Thanks a lot for your time. Now my system is doing the basic things it used to do before the upgrade, so I'm happy |
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| 22:28.39 | RainbowTiger | johnkeates: Okay, so I can use Jessie with this network card? |
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| 22:29.09 | hiexpo | RainbowTiger, yes |
| 22:29.26 | KjetilK | The nfs-kernel-server package had been removed, and mysql only listened on localhost, and I can't remember authorizing either change, but it is possible I just didn't pay enough attention |
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| 22:30.21 | Brigo | JohnDoh, sorry, i meant a card :) |
| 22:30.40 | RainbowTiger | Okay, and Jessie can handle 40/10 GE without any drivers or whatever? |
| 22:30.45 | hiexpo | RainbowTiger, https://www-ssl.intel.com/content/dam/www/public/us/en/documents/product-briefs/xl710-10-40-gbe-controller-brief.pdf |
| 22:31.12 | RainbowTiger | hiexpo: Thanks |
| 22:31.15 | hiexpo | RainbowTiger, there is always a drier lol |
| 22:31.26 | RainbowTiger | included in the kernel? |
| 22:31.28 | hiexpo | ^ driver |
| 22:31.47 | RainbowTiger | ok |
| 22:31.54 | hiexpo | RainbowTiger, run a live to see |
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| 22:32.25 | RainbowTiger | I will, thanks |
| 22:32.28 | jelly | RainbowTiger: if you can provide a PCI ID for that controller we can look up whether there's a driver claiming support. It's hard to say how well said driver, if there is one, actually works |
| 22:33.21 | jelly | especially since getting good throughput from 10Gpbs, let alone 40Gpbs requires a LOT of tuning |
| 22:33.40 | hiexpo | dang thats an expensive card |
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| 22:35.17 | hiexpo | PCI Express 3.0; x8,x4, x1 |
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| 22:36.08 | RainbowTiger | jelly: We need a minimum of 10 Gbps, server with extremly high traffic |
| 22:36.08 | n86kkian | Hi, is possible connect in openvpn using wicd like as network-manager? |
| 22:37.26 | jelly | RainbowTiger: you'll probably have to invest time in learning how to tune the OS no matter which distro you choose. |
| 22:37.29 | hiexpo | n86kkian, why you want tochange? |
| 22:38.03 | n86kkian | im using debian lxde, and wicd is here |
| 22:38.08 | RainbowTiger | jelly: okay |
| 22:38.27 | jelly | RainbowTiger: this might mean custom kernels, if less lucky custom/userspace tcp stack (google mTCP) |
| 22:38.35 | Fahrradkette | can I somehow tell dpkg/apt-get to mark packets as uninstalled? some mono-installer binaries like to segfault on my raspberry but I'm a user so I don't care about it. |
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| 22:38.55 | n86kkian | is possible configure openvpn in wicd? |
| 22:39.02 | RainbowTiger | jelly: okay, but first i'll test if the network card works |
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| 22:39.27 | jelly | RainbowTiger: yeah well, if you already wasted that $$$ and bought it... :-) |
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| 22:39.46 | RainbowTiger | jelly: yes ;) |
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| 22:41.01 | hiexpo | n86kkian, install network manager than |
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| 22:41.16 | n86kkian | n86kkian: better |
| 22:41.26 | cha-tango | valdyn: tanks for the help with gnome-shell issue |
| 22:41.35 | n86kkian | but is good for non gnome users? |
| 22:42.07 | RainbowTiger | jelly: We've a monthly traffic about ~4-5 TB, and it would be nice if 10Gbps works without any custom kernels or so |
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| 22:42.31 | sdollins | What are you using for 10gbps connectivity? |
| 22:42.32 | sdollins | Fiber? |
| 22:43.30 | RainbowTiger | yes |
| 22:43.39 | jelly | RainbowTiger: you can get 4TB in a month over 100Mbps! |
| 22:43.49 | jelly | did you mean 4PB? |
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| 22:44.43 | Jasper | why does debian want to regenerate all of my locales, why does that take 40 minutes (and counting), and how can i get it to stop doing that in the future |
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| 22:44.54 | sdollins | Well of course you need drivers for the HBAs |
| 22:44.56 | sdollins | none of them are the same. |
| 22:45.00 | RainbowTiger | jelly: yes, sorry, mistyped |
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| 22:45.36 | jelly | Jasper: if you want all the locales enabled all the time, install locales-all instead of locales |
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| 22:45.49 | Jasper | I don't know what that means. |
| 22:46.07 | Jasper | All I know is that it took 45 minutes to generate a bunch of locales and I don't even know what it's generating or why it couldn't pre-generate them |
| 22:46.09 | RainbowTiger | all = all locales in 1 package |
| 22:46.13 | jelly | Jasper: when we say "install foo" here, that "foo" is a package name |
| 22:46.23 | Jasper | Yes. What does locales ship if not all the locales? |
| 22:46.36 | jelly | uncompiled ones. |
| 22:47.03 | Jasper | why would you ship those |
| 22:47.14 | jelly | Jasper: saves 100MB disk space! |
| 22:47.18 | jelly | yay. |
| 22:47.26 | Jasper | for 45 minutes of doing nothing since I can't ^C this process |
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| 22:47.37 | Jasper | good time/space tradeoff |
| 22:47.38 | jelly | noone sane enables all the locales, Jasper |
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| 22:47.49 | Jasper | i didn't want to enable all the locales, it just came like tihs |
| 22:47.55 | jelly | no, it didn't |
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| 22:48.16 | Jasper | How do I disable the locales I don't want? |
| 22:48.20 | hiexpo | Jasper, you did that |
| 22:48.25 | jelly | Jasper: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 22:48.45 | RainbowTiger | Have you installed all world-wide locales?? |
| 22:48.51 | Jasper | jelly, gah, that just tried to regenerate them |
| 22:48.51 | hiexpo | lol |
| 22:49.06 | jelly | Jasper: these issues are some of those derivative-specific bugs I guess |
| 22:49.07 | Jasper | I think you have to edit /etc/locales/supported.d/local |
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| 22:49.29 | jelly | Jasper: nope, that's not present on Debian, it's an Ubuntu thing |
| 22:49.39 | Jasper | ah ok |
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| 22:49.56 | Jasper | again, we're using some weird franken OS |
| 22:49.57 | jelly | Jasper: go ask the right distro people that made this mess for you |
| 22:50.07 | Jasper | will do |
| 22:50.26 | dimitry7 | Hi guys!! If I umount /var for 20 minutes, will I run into stability issues? |
| 22:50.33 | hiexpo | what distro is it Jasper |
| 22:50.35 | dimitry7 | I guess I will, because of /var/run, right? |
| 22:50.44 | Jasper | hiexpo, our own distro, EndlessOS |
| 22:50.52 | jelly | dimitry7: you can't. lsof -n |grep /var |
| 22:50.54 | Jasper | forked off of Collabora's Singularity |
| 22:51.01 | dimitry7 | jelly, thanks!!! |
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| 22:51.26 | hiexpo | well you got endless all right |
| 22:51.41 | jelly | Jasper: so it's at least two times removed from Debian, and probably more |
| 22:51.47 | Jasper | yeah |
| 22:52.07 | Jasper | Singularity was forked from Ubuntu and is a weird hybrid Ubuntu/Debian craziness |
| 22:52.16 | Jasper | I don't really know, I just sort of wish the pain would go away. |
| 22:52.38 | jelly | three times, then. |
| 22:52.47 | hiexpo | well than get a real distro |
| 22:53.07 | Jasper | We're planning on doing that soon. |
| 22:53.14 | Jasper | Rebasing onto Fedora. |
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| 22:53.45 | Jasper | I'm just a kernel developer, I don't really know anything about userspace tooling. |
| 22:53.45 | jelly | let's just say unless you can reproduce an issue with a Debian installation, it's not a good idea to ask about it here |
| 22:53.57 | Jasper | alrighty then |
| 22:55.11 | jelly | ask in ##linux, there may be people willing to throw around advice that may or may not apply to your Collabora-based ubuntu-based debian-based distro |
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| 22:55.27 | hiexpo | lol' |
| 22:55.38 | hiexpo | train wreck |
| 22:56.23 | jelly | (or perhaps someone in here might be available for consulting if you're really desperate) |
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| 22:57.22 | dimitry7 | jelly, why is it a good idea to have /var in a separate partition? |
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| 22:57.39 | hiexpo | Jasper, what's your real name ? |
| 22:57.44 | Jasper | Jasper |
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| 22:58.55 | hiexpo | so you develop or help develop linux kernal? |
| 22:59.07 | Jasper | Both. |
| 22:59.13 | jelly | dimitry7: lots of services put their data in there; if it's separate it's easier to grow it or move it around |
| 22:59.19 | Jasper | I do lots of development. |
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| 23:00.46 | hiexpo | I thought Linus did that |
| 23:00.58 | Jasper | Lots of developers write code for the kernel. |
| 23:01.32 | jelly | hiexpo: Linus is more of a manager these days |
| 23:01.34 | Jasper | I do hardware enablement and do GPU driver work, myself. |
| 23:01.35 | hiexpo | true |
| 23:01.58 | Jasper | At Red Hat, I worked on Wayland. |
| 23:02.05 | Jasper | My specialty is in graphics. |
| 23:02.28 | dimitry7 | jelly, okay jelly, thank you!! |
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| 23:07.21 | Jasper | ugh, I have more apt/dpkg issues. Some issue where dpkg is thinking there's a conflict, but neither apt-cache show nor dpkg-deb shows a conflict. |
| 23:08.00 | jelly | Jasper: unless it's a Debian system, ask in ##linux |
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| 23:08.24 | jelly | pretty sure there's no ##frankenOS channels |
| 23:08.27 | Jasper | I mean, we're using Debian packages and Debian tooling. |
| 23:08.36 | jelly | no, you're not |
| 23:08.44 | hiexpo | lol |
| 23:08.53 | hiexpo | you told us dif |
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| 23:09.39 | jelly | these packages do not come from Debian directly, and we can't know what's been done to them. There's a number of technical and social reasons why we can't support derivatives in here. |
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| 23:10.19 | Jasper | Well, some help trying to debug this would be appreciated. |
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| 23:13.07 | dimitry7 | in fstab, what does the "dump fs" option mean? |
| 23:13.23 | jelly | Jasper: and you'd get some help, in ##linux |
| 23:13.29 | Jasper | For dpkg / deb issues? |
| 23:13.55 | jelly | Jasper: for any kind of userspace including dpkg based, rpm based, portage... |
| 23:13.59 | Jasper | OK. |
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| 23:15.17 | jelly | ... and now he's not joining ##linux |
| 23:15.21 | jelly | oh well |
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| 23:16.13 | dimitry7 | jelly, hahaha |
| 23:16.59 | jelly | dimitry7: not you, Jasper! |
| 23:17.11 | dimitry7 | jelly, I know, he is not joining |
| 23:17.49 | jelly | where did you find "dump fs" in fstab |
| 23:17.59 | dimitry7 | in $ man fstab |
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| 23:18.09 | dimitry7 | I don't know what dump means |
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| 23:18.58 | jelly | there's no "dump fs" in my man page, but "dump" denotes an ancient way of marking which filesystem should be backed up (by "dump" tool) or not |
| 23:19.15 | dimitry7 | aaah |
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| 23:19.46 | jelly | the fifth field in each row |
| 23:19.49 | dimitry7 | yes |
| 23:19.53 | hiexpo | i do \ |
| 23:19.57 | dimitry7 | So I might omit it |
| 23:20.00 | jelly | nope |
| 23:20.03 | dimitry7 | alwats a 0 |
| 23:20.05 | dimitry7 | no? why? |
| 23:20.06 | jelly | yes |
| 23:20.12 | dimitry7 | ah ok |
| 23:20.17 | jelly | because the format does not allow for omission |
| 23:20.18 | dimitry7 | great!! |
| 23:20.24 | dimitry7 | yeah ok |
| 23:20.31 | dimitry7 | thanks jelly, you always save me :-) |
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| 23:24.21 | dimitry7 | jelly, I don't like hostnames with _, i prefer to use -, like host-1, and not host_1 |
| 23:25.04 | dimitry7 | what do you prefer? |
| 23:25.33 | rjsalts | _ is allowed in dns, but isn't a valid hostname according to rfcs |
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| 23:25.41 | jelly | dimitry7: _ is not a valid character in DNS names |
| 23:26.05 | jelly | rjsalts: it's only allowed in the sense that most software will accept it |
| 23:26.05 | dimitry7 | jelly, great! in which docs can I see it? |
| 23:26.28 | rjsalts | I'd only use _ in SRV records or txt i.e. _xmpp-server._tcp.gmail.com IN SRV .... |
| 23:26.41 | dimitry7 | ok ok ok |
| 23:26.52 | dimitry7 | rjsalts, thank you !! |
| 23:27.09 | jelly | dimitry7: RFC1035, I guess (start with something like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain_Name_System) |
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| 23:27.38 | dimitry7 | jelly, great jelly° thanks a bunch!!! |
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| 23:30.15 | rjsalts | decisions, decisions, software raid10 with lvm or zfs |
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| 23:31.38 | jelly | does zfs even do 10 |
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| 23:32.27 | rjsalts | it does redundant blocks |
| 23:32.33 | jelly | was surprised when people in #linux-raid recommended lots of md raid1 + lvm striping, over md raid10, because old code |
| 23:33.30 | jelly | rjsalts: I knew it had raid5 raidz equivalent and raid6 raidz2, but not a raid10 variant |
| 23:34.24 | lyonsb | (Yes, aaand, I've got a link nearby referenceing that. It can do something very similar to raid 1 + 0) |
| 23:34.58 | lyonsb | https://pthree.org/2012/12/05/zfs-administration-part-ii-raidz/ |
| 23:35.38 | seconds | Hi |
| 23:36.02 | jelly | lyonsb: depicted: 5+0 |
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| 23:37.38 | jelly | but that's good enough if you have lots of spindles |
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| 23:39.25 | lyonsb | Raid1 doesn't have do parity does it? is that just mirroring? |
| 23:39.50 | lyonsb | (well, not "just" i guess, mirroring is useful too) |
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| 23:42.22 | eric23 | hi, I often have something on my computer causing my cpu to go into waiting according to top. I have luks partitions on my computer. What else could be lagging my computer? |
| 23:42.27 | lyonsb | So on zfs you would use the mirror keyword on your two devices, and then join them into a pool? |
| 23:42.56 | lyonsb | same page, raid 1 example (called mirroring, ref. to raid 1 in text): https://pthree.org/2012/12/04/zfs-administration-part-i-vdevs/ |
| 23:43.12 | lyonsb | err, same blog-ish, not same exact page. |
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| 23:50.12 | maurer | I'm trying to set up a macvtap device, but for some reason it won't come up |
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| 23:50.30 | maurer | http://pastebin.com/PD5Uf5R9 |
| 23:50.47 | maurer | (I expected <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP> and later on state UNKNOWN) |
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| 23:54.27 | nbt | what's the best way to list package names matching a wildcard pattern (even ones that are not installed)? |
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| 23:54.49 | nbt | I was using dpkg -l "package", but it seems to sometimes miss packages that aren't installed |
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| 23:55.02 | Pegasus_RPG | Hello. Congratulations on the Jessie release! I've been waiting with eagerness for the new features it brings! One question though, according to the security web page, the implication is that Wheezy now no longer receives security updates. Is this in fact true? |
| 23:55.24 | dvs | no |
| 23:55.29 | Pegasus_RPG | nbt: apt-cache search |
| 23:55.57 | trilakin | ahh it's a wonderful day |
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| 23:56.04 | trilakin | ahh it's a wonderful day |
| 23:56.08 | nbt | Pegasus_RPG: thanks |
| 23:56.09 | Pegasus_RPG | dvs: can you point me to a Web page that outlines the support timeframe? |
| 23:56.50 | Pegasus_RPG | is relieved has he has a number of Debian servers that will take a while to qualify then upgrade |
| 23:56.59 | dvs | Pegasus_RPG: it's guaranteed for at least year from now |
| 23:57.23 | Pegasus_RPG | OK good. That's enough time for me. (I hope to have them all upgraded within the next two months) |
| 23:58.25 | nbt | Pegasus_RPG: https://www.debian.org/security/faq#lifespan |
| 23:58.42 | Pegasus_RPG | ahh thanks. I missed that one |
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