| 00:01.01 | kWO901 | my wlan when down at random and when i tried to bring it up i got this: SIOCSIFFLAGS: Operation not possible due to RF-kill |
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| 00:10.13 | kWO901 | my wlan when down at random and when i tried to bring it up i got this: SIOCSIFFLAGS: Operation not possible due to RF-kill |
| 00:10.16 | kWO901 | any clue? |
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| 00:36.32 | nbt | why isn't firestarter in jessie? |
| 00:36.44 | nbt | what other firewall guis are there? |
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| 00:42.33 | dutchfish | nbt, https://wiki.debian.org/Firewalls |
| 00:42.46 | bazhang | ,v gufw |
| 00:42.47 | judd | Package: gufw on amd64 -- squeeze: 9.10.2-1; stretch: 12.10.0-1; jessie: 12.10.0-1; sid: 12.10.0-1; wheezy: 12.10.0-1 |
| 00:42.51 | dutchfish | nbt, not all are supported inside debian |
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| 00:44.39 | nbt | dutchfish, bazhang: thanks |
| 00:44.57 | bazhang | np |
| 00:44.57 | nbt | I think I'll give gufw a try |
| 00:45.05 | nbt | any idea why firestarter was removed? |
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| 00:47.25 | dutchfish | nbt, https://packages.qa.debian.org/f/firestarter/news/20130608T163914Z.html |
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| 00:48.31 | dutchfish | nbt, also https://packages.qa.debian.org/f/firestarter.html |
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| 00:55.58 | jelly | ,bug 772715 |
| 00:55.59 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/772715 in firestarter (open, jessie, patch, sid, stretch): «firestarter: makes booting impossible»; severity: grave; opened: 2014-12-10; last modified: 2015-04-28. |
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| 01:15.08 | badbodh | people still use firestarter ?!! |
| 01:15.21 | badbodh | isn't that like a decade old ? |
| 01:15.27 | karlpinc | has always been fond of ferm |
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| 01:17.27 | centrx | 'oldoldstable' nice |
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| 01:18.21 | nbt | badbodh: yeah, last updated a decade ago I think... |
| 01:18.41 | nbt | but I've been using it for years and it did what I want |
| 01:19.07 | nbt | sounds like time has finally caught up with it though |
| 01:19.41 | badbodh | i stopped using it when ubuntu switched to unity |
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| 01:19.59 | badbodh | i like it's notification icon, glowing red when something was blocked |
| 01:20.36 | badbodh | sadly unity didn't have notification area, so had to switch to gufw |
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| 01:38.05 | scoofy | . |
| 01:38.24 | scoofy | what is the way to automatically remove unneded packages in apt-get ? |
| 01:38.57 | dvs | scoofy: apt-get autoremove? |
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| 01:39.07 | scoofy | hm, ok |
| 01:39.09 | jelly | scoofy: there's the obvious command in the manual: apt-get autoremove |
| 01:39.10 | scoofy | thanks |
| 01:40.55 | nbt | in my experience, apt-get autoremove can remove packages that are in use :/ |
| 01:41.01 | nbt | I would use it with great care |
| 01:41.27 | scoofy | well, it removed what i wanted to remove, so thanks |
| 01:41.42 | jelly | nbt: apt-mark can be used to mark packages as manually installed if you want to keep them. |
| 01:43.45 | fLoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:43.49 | fLoo | I'VEFIXED THE BUG |
| 01:43.58 | fLoo | i just spend 6 hours debugging |
| 01:43.59 | fLoo | :D |
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| 02:04.17 | AlexLikerock | imporesionante https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=IcBEG-g5cJg |
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| 02:14.34 | AlexLikerock | how to make this file ? |
| 02:14.34 | AlexLikerock | /var/log/boot.log |
| 02:14.44 | AlexLikerock | i dont see :-( |
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| 02:19.54 | centrx | AlexLikerock, why do you expect it to? |
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| 02:23.33 | AlexLikerock | my pc write ther |
| 02:23.38 | AlexLikerock | times of boots |
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| 02:26.50 | ion__ | Loanding, please wait... |
| 02:26.51 | ion__ | fsck from until-linux 2.25.2 |
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| 02:27.04 | Guest26772 | hello |
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| 02:27.28 | Guest26772 | exit |
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| 02:29.14 | ion__ | hello |
| 02:29.15 | nessie_ | I put the Line "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ jessie non-free contrib main" will it install things from main, contrib and non-free |
| 02:29.28 | AlexLikerock | hi |
| 02:29.31 | Guest31230 | I just have installed debian 8 |
| 02:29.43 | Guest31230 | and I can't boot it |
| 02:30.07 | Guest31230 | I have the following message |
| 02:30.27 | Guest31230 | Loading, please wait... |
| 02:30.39 | Guest31230 | fsck from until-linux 2.25.2 |
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| 02:31.19 | AlexLikerock | Guest31230, how many time waiting ? |
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| 02:31.42 | themill | nessie_: yes, that will allow you to install things from main, contrib and non-free. (assuming you have since run apt update) |
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| 02:31.56 | Guest31230 | /dev/sda1:clear 151097/30040064 file 2919355/120130816 blocks |
| 02:32.12 | Guest31230 | quite long |
| 02:32.54 | AlexLikerock | Guest31230, how many time waiting ? |
| 02:33.13 | nessie_ | themill: Thank I was wondering, I had to make the default only main line a comment so It would update. |
| 02:33.17 | Guest31230 | AlexLikerock:I'm still waiting... |
| 02:33.22 | nessie_ | Thanks* |
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| 02:33.29 | Guest31230 | AlexLikerock:the message still there... |
| 02:33.35 | AlexLikerock | how many time ? |
| 02:33.53 | Guest31230 | AlexLikerock:15 minutes or so |
| 02:33.58 | AlexLikerock | MMm |
| 02:34.04 | AlexLikerock | reboot the machine |
| 02:34.12 | AlexLikerock | CTRL + ALT + DEL |
| 02:34.27 | nessie_ | Guest31230: Is it a laptop or desktop? |
| 02:34.30 | Guest31230 | AlexLikerock:I have done it ...actually I repeat the installation process twice |
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| 02:34.46 | tattoli | Guest31230: this is a fresh install? |
| 02:34.50 | Guest31230 | nessie:desktop |
| 02:34.58 | Guest31230 | nessie_:desktop |
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| 02:35.24 | Guest31230 | tattoli: yes it is. |
| 02:36.17 | nessie_ | Guest31230: on my laptop it takes a little bit but I just close my computer and open it back up and it is running. |
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| 02:36.58 | Guest31230 | nessie_:are you runnning debian 8 |
| 02:37.12 | nessie_ | Guest31230: Yep |
| 02:37.42 | AlexLikerock | Guest31230, do you restart ? |
| 02:38.07 | AlexLikerock | i see |
| 02:38.12 | AlexLikerock | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:38.24 | AlexLikerock | try install debian 9 |
| 02:38.44 | Guest31230 | AlexLikerock: yes I did as I said I've been through the installation procedures twice... |
| 02:38.44 | AlexLikerock | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:39.31 | Guest31230 | AlexLikerock:what you mean man there isn't debian 9 the latest one is jessie debian 8 |
| 02:39.37 | AlexLikerock | debian 7 (old stable ) |
| 02:39.43 | AlexLikerock | debian 9 ( testing ) |
| 02:40.23 | Guest31230 | AlexLikerock: no I have to figure out what's going on that's why I'm asking for help |
| 02:41.03 | AlexLikerock | http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/7.8.0/ |
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| 02:41.22 | AlexLikerock | well , some times they have a bugs , |
| 02:42.03 | AlexLikerock | debian 8 its released whit some bugs :-/ |
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| 02:42.24 | karlpinc | Guest31230: That looks like your booloader can't read your disk. Anything special about the disk? |
| 02:42.25 | AlexLikerock | they arent perfect for all PC's of the word |
| 02:42.57 | karlpinc | Guest31230: A fakeraid card or something? |
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| 02:43.01 | Guest31230 | karlpinc: as far as I know nothing special |
| 02:43.04 | Pegasus_RPG | Hello. In my network I have an apt-cacher server running on Wheezy at the moment. One of my other machines has been on Jessie for months. Today it's suddenly unable to download the Packages file from the apt-cacher machine. |
| 02:43.30 | Guest31230 | karlpinc:nope |
| 02:43.38 | Pegasus_RPG | I looked in the Jessie repos and sure enough, only the xz and gz versions are there. So how do I tell Apt to try the compressed version? |
| 02:43.40 | karlpinc | Guest31230: Did you install raid, or encrypt the disk or anything? |
| 02:44.06 | AlexLikerock | Guest31230, debian 9 (testing ) http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/weekly-builds/ |
| 02:44.09 | Guest31230 | karlpinc:I haven't I did standard installation |
| 02:44.31 | karlpinc | Guest31230: Desktop? Laptop? |
| 02:44.49 | Guest31230 | karlpinc:Desktop |
| 02:45.40 | karlpinc | Guest31230: Installed from a cd or usb stick or what? |
| 02:45.44 | tattoli | Guest31230: have you considered removing quiet from the kernel line of the grub entry you use to boot to see where the boot is failing? |
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| 02:46.30 | Guest31230 | karlpinc:a small cd boot the rest was from mirror ... |
| 02:47.03 | rawfodog | I did a dist upgrade but it still says debian7 if uname -a |
| 02:47.30 | exec_s | did u restart? |
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| 02:48.01 | karlpinc | Guest31230: Possibly booting from a cd remaps the drives in bios somehow. But I think tattoli's suggestion is good. Although first I might try booting from the cd in rescue mode and re-installing grub. |
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| 02:48.39 | Pegasus_RPG | Is "Packages" not supposed to be in the repos anymore? debian/dists/jessie/non-free/binary-i386/Packages 404 Not Found |
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| 02:49.18 | Guest31230 | karlpinc: yeah I might be right let's see whether it works or not. |
| 02:49.32 | karlpinc | Guest31230: You'd login as root. Do you know your boot device? |
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| 02:49.36 | Guest31230 | karlpinc: *it |
| 02:50.12 | Guest31230 | karlpinc: I do |
| 02:50.42 | karlpinc | Guest31230: It is? |
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| 02:51.00 | Guest31230 | karlpinc: hd |
| 02:51.11 | Guest31230 | karlpinc: you mean my boot sequece... |
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| 02:51.25 | karlpinc | Guest31230: That's not a device name. I'm thinking "/dev/sda" or something. |
| 02:51.54 | Guest31230 | karlpinc: /dev/sda' |
| 02:51.58 | Guest31230 | karlpinc: /dev/sda1 |
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| 02:52.37 | karlpinc | Guest31230: Ok. So, as root, after logging in in rescue mode. "grub-install /dev/sda" will probably re-install grub for you. Then you can type "reboot". |
| 02:52.53 | karlpinc | Guest31230: You want /dev/sda, to install on the drive instead of into a partition. |
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| 02:53.37 | karlpinc | Guest31230: If that does not work follow tattoli's suggestion for finding out what the problem is. Maybe he can help you do it. |
| 02:54.13 | karlpinc | Guest31230: Debian is the only OS on the box, right? No danger of overwriting anything else? |
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| 02:55.43 | okee | What would be an easy program to use for the purpose of merging two PDFs into one file? |
| 02:56.07 | karlpinc | Guest31230: I suppose using --recheck with grub-install wouldn't hurt either. |
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| 02:56.41 | somiaj | okee: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2507766/merge-convert-multiple-pdf-files-into-one-pdf |
| 02:57.06 | karlpinc | okee: I always use pdftk. YMMV. |
| 02:57.57 | dahui | hi all.. is this the current documentation for install bumblebee on debian or has anyone a better tutorial? https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee |
| 02:57.59 | karlpinc | okee: (It's java, so I'd really like to use something else but I've not found anything handy.) |
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| 02:59.26 | karlpinc | dahui: The instructions there seem pretty simple. Install the packages. (Assuming you're running Jessie.) |
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| 03:00.23 | okee | karlpinc> Thanks. : ) |
| 03:00.50 | dahui | karlpinc: nice.. just checking =) i will try it latter when i install jessie thanks |
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| 03:24.03 | eric23 | to upgrade an existing system do I update the sources.list and apt-get update then do apt-get dist-upgrade? |
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| 03:24.57 | centrx | eric23, upgrade from what to what? |
| 03:25.11 | eric23 | from wheezy to jessie |
| 03:26.12 | centrx | eric23, yes, however it's recommended to an "apt-get upgrade" between the update and the dist-upgrade |
| 03:26.24 | centrx | eric23, see also https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
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| 03:28.16 | eric23 | thanks centrx |
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| 03:54.42 | ebonics | anyone know what my problem could be here: https://dpaste.de/cvbn |
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| 04:10.07 | okee | Is the format for pdftk: pdftk file 1 file 2 |
| 04:10.49 | okee | karlpinc: I tried opening the URL you referenced earlier, but it isn't opening. The instructions for pdftk seem a bit vague |
| 04:11.16 | donofrio | folks anyone know anything about chromixium |
| 04:12.54 | Rusty1 | !anyone |
| 04:12.54 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 04:13.40 | donofrio | ok translation was just trying to see if anyone know what #channel they are on..... |
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| 04:19.53 | pclover | how do you enable root gui login again. I forgot |
| 04:19.59 | pclover | is it different with debian 8? |
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| 04:21.59 | t4nk928 | #flood /msg dpkg guidelines |
| 04:22.07 | t4nk928 | #flood |
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| 04:45.57 | Name141 | How would I go about a fresh install, but keep /home safe? |
| 04:46.08 | Name141 | With all the backed up files and stuff |
| 04:46.39 | Name141 | Or is updating to Jessie 'fairly safe' ? |
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| 04:49.50 | mysticmndmatter | is jessie now at a stable status ? or is it still unstable ? |
| 04:50.15 | Name141 | [11:45:53:PM] * Topic is 'Debian 8 Jessie released! |
| 04:50.40 | mysticmndmatter | lol |
| 04:50.43 | tattoli | Name141: read the release notes regarding upgrading from wheezy here https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 04:51.42 | Name141 | eh.. |
| 04:51.50 | Name141 | Maybe I'll just wipe it |
| 04:52.07 | Name141 | Although that'd be a pain to transfer 200+ GBs again |
| 04:52.11 | Name141 | over the 10/100 network |
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| 04:53.46 | badbodh | rhythmbox eating up all my ram (4 gigs) during music import (~8000 songs), i have to pkill it from tty shell since computer becomes unresponsive. This never occurred in ubuntu or mint. How to fix it? |
| 04:54.12 | badbodh | using debian 8 x64 |
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| 04:54.44 | Name141 | How long is weezie supported still ? |
| 04:54.58 | Name141 | wheezy |
| 04:56.21 | okee | can someone recommend a pdf to jpeg conversion for deb linux? I have tried merging pdfs with several pdf mergers, and it isn't working. Seems to be a problem reading the file, so I am going to try converting one of the pdfs to a graphic, and import the graphic. I suspect it will work. |
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| 04:59.09 | ipv6_issues | https://bpaste.net/raw/57a56e9a6cfe i don't understand ip6tables |
| 04:59.23 | ipv6_issues | for some reason that doesn't work, and i've searched for days |
| 04:59.45 | tattoli | Name141: debian LTS will be supporting wheezy until may 2018 |
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| 05:02.32 | ipv6_issues | can someone please help? |
| 05:04.21 | babilen | ipv6_issues: #netfilter |
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| 05:06.17 | Name141 | tattoli: They got LTS' now like *Buntu ? |
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| 05:07.27 | rootkea | Whenever I try to invoke System Log graphically, a password seeking box popes up and then nothing happens. |
| 05:07.39 | rootkea | I am using Debian 8.0 BTW |
| 05:07.51 | tattoli | supposedly, the LTS team doesnt start maintaining wheezy until feb 16 though |
| 05:08.09 | rootkea | So I tried $ sudo gnome-system-log but then again after entering the password the prompt quietly returns. |
| 05:08.32 | rootkea | What's wrong with gnome-system-log? |
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| 05:12.47 | badbodh | two log viewers, neither of them work |
| 05:13.06 | rootkea | badbodh, Is that a bug in gnome-system-log? |
| 05:13.13 | rootkea | I guess it is. |
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| 05:14.55 | rootkea | badbodh, for me another log viewer "Logs" opens but shows no logs in any of the showed categories. |
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| 05:15.24 | badbodh | like i said, neither of them work |
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| 05:18.50 | ipv6_issues | how would i save iptables? |
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| 05:20.37 | ipv6_issues | after doing "adduser" as root i get the following: _____________________________________________________________________ WARNING! Your environment specifies an invalid locale. This can affect your user experience significantly, including the ability to manage packages. You may install the locales by running: sudo apt-get install language-pack-en or sudo locale-gen en_US.UTF-8 To see all available language packs, run: apt |
| 05:21.17 | DarrenGao | you have not installed locales yet |
| 05:21.40 | ipv6_issues | DarrenGao: it does nothing when i sudo apt-get install language-pack-en or sudo locale-gen en_US.UTF-8 |
| 05:22.16 | DarrenGao | install "locales" directly |
| 05:23.11 | jelly | ipv6_issues: which Debian release is this? "language-pack-en" does not exist in Debian |
| 05:23.41 | ipv6_issues | jelly: jessie |
| 05:23.55 | DarrenGao | I am using jessie, too |
| 05:24.59 | ipv6_issues | jelly: this is also in a vps |
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| 05:26.37 | jelly | ipv6_issues: which command specifically shows that locale warning? |
| 05:26.54 | ipv6_issues | adduser <username> |
| 05:26.56 | ipv6_issues | ran as root |
| 05:27.10 | jelly | using sudo or from an open root shell? |
| 05:27.12 | ipv6_issues | i then put in the password, and answer the questions it asks, and then it pops that out |
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| 05:28.36 | shay_shay | i'm trying to make a VM with my user with virtinst and I get a polkit popup asking for password. I wonder if there's a easy way to avoid this besides sudo? |
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| 05:30.16 | pclover | i suspect in Debian 8 systmectl replaces all the typical commands? |
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| 05:30.37 | pclover | instead of using update-rc.d you use systemctl |
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| 05:31.11 | jelly | ipv6_issues: hmph, I can't reproduce that even if I set LC_ALL to a nonexistent locale. Pastebin the output of "dpkg -l libc6 locales adduser base-files dpkg apt" please |
| 05:31.39 | ipv6_issues | jelly: i actually have wiped the vps already. i will return sometime tomorrow as i have no more time for today |
| 05:31.58 | pclover | i'm use to systemd on rhel/centos so i'm curious if the same applies to debian in regards to that. I think so? |
| 05:31.59 | jelly | ipv6_issues: verify it's actually Debian |
| 05:32.06 | ipv6_issues | jelly: it's actually debian. |
| 05:32.09 | ipv6_issues | debian jessie |
| 05:32.23 | jelly | the some ubuntu error messages have creeped in, which is not nice |
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| 05:32.45 | jelly | (and ought to be fixed) |
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| 05:33.33 | shay_shay | jelly: Ubuntu error messages have crept in? how? |
| 05:34.26 | jelly | shay_shay: let's wait until the user comes back to get an answer to that |
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| 05:35.31 | shay_shay | grumbles |
| 05:36.02 | jelly | pclover: most of it, as far as I know. Debian does not use networkd and some other bits by default. |
| 05:36.39 | pclover | iirc centos and rhel use networkd |
| 05:36.43 | pclover | by default |
| 05:36.53 | jelly | pclover: jessie release notes will have some details |
| 05:37.11 | jelly | !jessie release notes |
| 05:37.11 | dpkg | Release notes for Debian 8 "Jessie" are at http://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/releasenotes . See also <wheezy->jessie>, <install guide>. |
| 05:38.13 | pclover | thanks for that |
| 05:38.14 | pclover | useful |
| 05:39.05 | jelly | and https://wiki.debian.org/systemd I guess |
| 05:40.49 | pclover | i'm sure many people will be new to it |
| 05:41.38 | shay_shay | pclover: I configured one debian 8 system with networkd and it worked seamlessly |
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| 06:01.18 | Name141 | How's MATE run in 8? |
| 06:01.24 | Name141 | decently on older machines? |
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| 06:14.33 | shay_shay | not in my experience, I thought it would be a good idea for older machines but now I think its not necessarily true. xfce otoh it's very suitable for older machines |
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| 06:21.46 | anddam | I gave and "aptitude install <package>" apt started fetching a long list of packages and I decided I didn't really want those |
| 06:22.14 | anddam | I had already accepted the install at aptitude prompt |
| 06:22.28 | anddam | now if I do "aptitude install" it tries to complete the install |
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| 06:22.35 | anddam | how do I unmark all those packages for install? |
| 06:22.36 | DarrenGao | yes |
| 06:22.52 | babilen | "aptitude keep-all" |
| 06:23.17 | babilen | It really depends on when you disrupted the install though (and how you did that) |
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| 06:23.32 | anddam | ctrl-c at the fourth or fifth package fetched |
| 06:23.38 | babilen | during the download? |
| 06:23.41 | anddam | yes |
| 06:24.09 | babilen | That is not problematic, but I would strongly suggest to not interrupt installations if you don't have to at a later stage |
| 06:24.27 | anddam | they were like 300 MB of download in 40 packages, I stopped at the 7th |
| 06:24.36 | anddam | ok |
| 06:24.50 | anddam | I should have completed the install and then remove them? |
| 06:24.53 | babilen | Best to simply check the proposed solution *before* you accept it |
| 06:25.30 | buu | anddam: There's very little problem other than maybe delay in just installing then removing them. |
| 06:25.34 | buu | And it avoids situations like this. |
| 06:25.37 | DarrenGao | when you use apt-get next time, you will be promoted with an error message. |
| 06:25.45 | babilen | anddam: I'm saying that interrupting an installation *after* the download phase is more tricky to sort out later. As you can never quite predict when that'll happen it is best to not get into the habit of interrupting actions anytime |
| 06:26.05 | anddam | ok I understand that |
| 06:26.52 | babilen | Sending SIGTERM shouldn't be standard for "I changed my mind" :) |
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| 06:27.25 | babilen | SIGINT naturally |
| 06:27.43 | anddam | different topic, iceweasel shows a youtube video with black video, but with audio |
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| 06:27.58 | babilen | And you want that to change? |
| 06:28.02 | anddam | if I start a --safe-mode instance I see the video but no audio |
| 06:28.13 | anddam | that's already a change, but not quite satisfactory |
| 06:28.22 | babilen | agreed |
| 06:28.41 | anddam | I have no add-ons enabled in iceweasel, I had no-script but disabled and kept it so with no change |
| 06:28.45 | babilen | What do you use to play Youtube videos? |
| 06:29.24 | anddam | now the fun part: if I reload the page in the safe-mode instance it switches from video but no audio to black video with audio, like the non safe-mode |
| 06:29.28 | DarrenGao | chrome is a good choice. |
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| 06:29.45 | anddam | and on a third reload it goes back to its initial video/no audio behavior |
| 06:29.58 | babilen | anddam: Are you using flash? |
| 06:29.59 | anddam | babilen: I enabled mediasource in about:config and asked youtube to get html5 |
| 06:30.01 | anddam | no |
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| 06:30.18 | anddam | I didn't install the plugin and tried to stay flash-free |
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| 06:30.27 | babilen | I haven't used iceweasel in ages, but I was under the impression that HTML5 should work well |
| 06:30.42 | babilen | That, apparently, isn't quite the case |
| 06:31.01 | anddam | I use both but I found iceweasel to be more reactive |
| 06:31.09 | anddam | and much more memory-hog |
| 06:31.22 | anddam | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ID24jbKCZ5A this is an example, notice that most videos plays just well |
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| 06:31.35 | anddam | a few exhibits this behavior, that is ff specific. In chrome they run fine |
| 06:31.38 | babilen | Some of them might not be properly encoded on the YT side |
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| 06:32.12 | anddam | how does chrome show them then? |
| 06:32.22 | babilen | In Chrome they presumably use pepperflash, but also HTML5 might work smoother there. I'll test with Chromium (flash and html5), one second |
| 06:33.57 | babilen | Plays fine in HTML in Chromium, Iceweasel next |
| 06:35.49 | babilen | No problem in Iceweasel either (html5, 31.6.0esr-1) |
| 06:36.25 | babilen | What is this "enabled mediasource" you refer to? |
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| 06:56.47 | anddam | I don't have pepperflash installed as well |
| 06:57.08 | anddam | it's the mediasource setting in ff in about:config |
| 06:57.29 | anddam | media.mediasource.enabled |
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| 06:58.01 | anddam | https://www.youtube.com/html5 in FF should have the lower three icons with a red alert icon |
| 06:58.28 | anddam | enabling mediasource in setting should enable the first and third option in lower row |
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| 06:59.38 | rootkea | unicode not getting displayed properly in iceweasel in Debian 8.0 http://i.imgur.com/MX92Hrs.png?1 |
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| 07:00.02 | rootkea | I tried on chromium too. Same thing. Was working well on Ubuntu. |
| 07:00.26 | rootkea | What I need to do? Do I need to install some font or something? |
| 07:01.32 | rootkea | Please look at "Google.co.in offered in : ..." http://i.imgur.com/MX92Hrs.png?1 |
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| 07:04.26 | Name141 | Hm, how do I install Gnome if I didn't like MATE? |
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| 07:05.18 | rootkea | Name141, apt-get install gnome? |
| 07:05.24 | anddam | Name141:did you check https://wiki.debian.org/Gnome ? |
| 07:05.44 | Name141 | no |
| 07:05.53 | anddam | !gnome |
| 07:05.53 | dpkg | GNOME is a Desktop Environment ("DE", so are <KDE> and <XFCE>) based on GTK+. To get or delete GNOME, ask me about <install gnome> or <remove gnome> respectively. See also <gnome status>. https://wiki.debian.org/Gnome http://www.gnome.org/ #debian-gnome on irc.debian.org. GNOME-related IRC channels: https://wiki.gnome.org/Community/GettingInTouch/IRC |
| 07:06.07 | anddam | !tell Name141 about install gnome |
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| 07:07.57 | anddam | can anyone try to reproduce this synaptic issues? 1) run "synaptic-pkexec", type in su password, open Settings > Set Internal Option... and the process crashes |
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| 07:08.22 | Name141 | task-gnome-desktop it is then |
| 07:09.09 | anddam | 2) open synaptic get the list of all packages by selecting All on the section list, put the mouse on the packages list, ensure the scroll window is at the top and scroll up with the mouse. The list will scroll down |
| 07:09.27 | Name141 | To save disk space I suppose I could just reinstall debian.. |
| 07:09.29 | Name141 | since I got time |
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| 07:09.58 | anddam | Name141: sure, and once you reinstalled it you could reinstall it again |
| 07:10.01 | anddam | but why? |
| 07:10.15 | anddam | disk space is very cheap nowadays, it's hardly an issue |
| 07:10.21 | anddam | MATE is like 300 MB |
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| 07:10.32 | Name141 | anddam: Oh... that probably wont be an issue |
| 07:10.41 | anddam | with all recommends, and likely a few libs will be shared |
| 07:11.12 | anddam | Name141: what I'd really suggest you is running synaptic and test what I suggested |
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| 07:18.33 | rootkea | Ok. So here it says "Iceweasel seems to render all Wikipedia languages" under "Quick Test" https://wiki.debian.org/Fonts/UnicodeCoverage |
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| 07:19.31 | rootkea | But when I am trying to open those two webpages listed under "Quick Test", again I am seeing those weird boxes instead of proper Unicode characters. Help! |
| 07:19.55 | rootkea | I am using Iceweasel on Jessie. |
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| 07:22.53 | rootkea | So anybody using Iceweasel on Jessie (Default conf) seeing weird boxes on http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wikipedias ? Or Is it just me? |
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| 07:23.56 | rootkea | You can try this too http://git.wikimedia.org/blob/mediawiki%2Fcore.git/HEAD/languages%2FNames.php |
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| 07:26.57 | superfast | why is youtube-dl so outdated in Debian? |
| 07:28.12 | anddam | superfast:youtube-dl updates very often |
| 07:28.21 | anddam | to keep pace with change on websites |
| 07:28.42 | rootkea | Folks it's just "Yes" or "No". anybody using Iceweasel on Jessie (Default conf) seeing weird boxes on http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wikipedias ? |
| 07:28.53 | superfast | anddam, but would we get updates from Debian for the same? |
| 07:28.57 | superfast | or not? |
| 07:29.12 | anddam | superfast: I don't understand the question |
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| 07:29.20 | rootkea | (again) You can try this too http://git.wikimedia.org/blob/mediawiki%2Fcore.git/HEAD/languages%2FNames.php |
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| 07:29.25 | superfast | anddam, so where should I get the updates from? |
| 07:29.31 | superfast | since Debian don't want to update it |
| 07:30.02 | anddam | rootkea:the answer is either "yes" or "no" |
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| 07:30.28 | anddam | superfast: it's not that debian doesn't want to update but there's a flow for pushing the updates |
| 07:30.41 | superfast | Ok |
| 07:30.52 | superfast | I think should download it directly instead of from Debian |
| 07:31.08 | anddam | you can, check checkinstall and stow |
| 07:31.24 | anddam | even tho' if I recall correctly it's just a single python script |
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| 07:33.45 | superfast | ok |
| 07:34.11 | superfast | anddam, actually I download a lot of videos from Youtube so I need youtube-dl |
| 07:34.24 | anddam | I'm fine with that |
| 07:34.28 | superfast | but I am not sure if Debian's version can do it right without all the recent updates |
| 07:34.40 | anddam | I guess you'll have to TIAS |
| 07:35.07 | superfast | TIAS? |
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| 07:37.47 | anddam | try it and see |
| 07:38.29 | superfast | oh lol |
| 07:38.47 | superfast | anddam, I am switching from Trisquel to Debian Jessie |
| 07:38.52 | superfast | I am a bit nervous |
| 07:38.55 | superfast | any suggestions? |
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| 07:40.47 | anddam | I don't know what Trisquel is but I suggest to not being nervous |
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| 07:43.00 | blazemaze | you can always get latest youtube-dl from their github |
| 07:43.24 | superfast | blazemaze, ya I would do it |
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| 07:44.04 | superfast | anddam, Trisquel.info <-- A distro endorsed by FSF, that helped/sponsored the development of Debian initially. |
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| 07:58.15 | cha-tango | hi. were can i find te source lists to add jessie. https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList#A.2Fetc.2Fapt.2Fsources.list ? |
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| 07:59.10 | cha-tango | debian jessie only comes with security ones |
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| 08:02.06 | anddam | cha-tango: ask dpkg for sources.list |
| 08:02.11 | anddam | !tell cha-tango about sources.list |
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| 08:02.59 | cha-tango | anddam ask dpkg? |
| 08:03.48 | cha-tango | i just added the main surces on the linl i showed seems to be working now |
| 08:03.57 | cha-tango | link |
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| 08:04.55 | cha-tango | normaly there was arogram to define the sources and location of sources |
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| 08:10.19 | anddam | mmm seems I made a poor partitioning choice |
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| 08:11.09 | anddam | I should expand /usr, is keeping /usr separate from / common? It's not mentioned at all in install guide partitioning chapter |
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| 08:14.17 | shay_shay | cha-tango: its called vi |
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| 08:15.18 | anddam | or any other editor |
| 08:16.09 | shay_shay | vim is another editor ;D |
| 08:17.08 | anddam | btw isn't debian default that obnoxious one? the non-vi like |
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| 08:17.09 | cha-tango | shay_shay: i hate vi i use nano. i edites the sources in the link lol |
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| 08:17.18 | anddam | ah that's it |
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| 08:17.47 | CruX| | hello after debian upgrade i have problem with sh and rsync |
| 08:17.51 | anddam | one of the poorest choice on Debian's side IMHO, when I happen to install a new system I (re)discover this bit every time when going editing the first files |
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| 08:18.01 | CruX| | arcfour cipher is disabled |
| 08:18.13 | CruX| | how can I use it ? |
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| 08:18.43 | anddam | but I see the point in having an editor with a more "natural" interface |
| 08:19.01 | cha-tango | time to reboot to lxde |
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| 08:19.04 | CruX| | because i am rsyncing movies under LAN (dont care about security) and arcfour is one which consumes low cpu |
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| 08:21.43 | shay_shay | anddam: as long as you can remember ESC, i, and :wq you can use vi(m) like that too |
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| 08:30.51 | anddam | shay_shay: like that? |
| 08:31.32 | anddam | I'm complaining about nano |
| 08:31.55 | anddam | (if I recall correctly and that's the default editor on a new install) |
| 08:32.10 | anddam | I'd rather prefer vi or vim.tiny be the default |
| 08:32.30 | shay_shay | I know. I'm saying I don't buy the reasoning behind using it as the default. redhat uses vi and nobody bursts into flames |
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| 08:33.06 | edoardo | hello |
| 08:33.45 | anddam | shay_shay: well, for one the hats may be red due to flames |
| 08:34.40 | anddam | edoardo: hello |
| 08:34.44 | edoardo | what's the most minimal environment for running a gtk software? |
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| 08:34.59 | edoardo | i need to run an application in full screen |
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| 08:35.17 | edoardo | like, 100% fullscreen without desktop, panels, decorations and other things |
| 08:35.49 | anddam | minimal environment? |
| 08:35.49 | edoardo | i was thinking about a tiling manager but since i'm running on an ARM device i don't know if that'll be enough powerful (i'm also short on ram) |
| 08:36.18 | anddam | mmm I've read about qt embedded for that, you're not using Xorg but a fb |
| 08:36.27 | edoardo | window manager, desktop environment, i don't know how to call it :\ |
| 08:36.32 | cha-tango | after reboot my rc.local configs didnt took efect i suspect its systemmd doent use it no more. how to i add rc.local configs to systemmd? |
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| 08:37.27 | Roland- | hi folks, is irqbalance having any use nowadays? |
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| 08:37.52 | edoardo | anddam: but will that be able to run a gtk app? |
| 08:37.58 | anddam | edoardo: I think you'll have to shft paradigm, i.e. not thinking about WM and DE |
| 08:38.01 | ryouma | edoardo: i use fluxbox to dothat but that's not the most minimal |
| 08:38.04 | shay_shay | edoardo: I had to setup a kiosk for work, at first I used i3 which did the job fine... but the boss said he wanted it to be point and click if someone decided to minimize it and do something else. so I switched it to openbox. still had the same ability to open in full screen |
| 08:38.10 | anddam | edoardo: "that" what? |
| 08:38.17 | edoardo | anddam: qt embedded |
| 08:38.18 | anddam | edoardo: qt embedded won't run a gtk applicatoin |
| 08:38.34 | anddam | Qt != Gtk |
| 08:38.41 | edoardo | i know, that's why i asked |
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| 08:39.16 | anddam | ryouma: on ARM box with Xorg and xsession and all? |
| 08:39.38 | anddam | (not that I cannot be done, I'm just wondering if that's the same scenario edoardo is talking about) |
| 08:39.47 | edoardo | anddam: I'm on an Allwinner A10 - 1ghz single core /w 512mb of ram |
| 08:39.56 | edoardo | Xfce runs ok, but is a bit slow |
| 08:40.01 | anddam | edoardo: I assume Debian |
| 08:40.02 | edoardo | LXDE is very fast, but not very minimal |
| 08:40.12 | edoardo | Debian Jessie |
| 08:40.19 | anddam | edoardo: and is speed a concern at all? |
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| 08:41.09 | edoardo | anddam: I just need to be able to run dwb fast enough to visualize html5 animations |
| 08:41.24 | edoardo | on my machine dwb seems the one with highest fps and fastest loading |
| 08:42.04 | anddam | you may run a Xorg session with no wm at all, specify geometry for the app |
| 08:42.09 | edoardo | another problem is that this machine will not have any mouse/keyboard controls |
| 08:42.13 | edoardo | hmmm... |
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| 08:42.37 | edoardo | that sounds nice. where should i start looking? |
| 08:42.42 | anddam | edoardo: from what you typed at start I thought you where writing an app, not that you were trying to make a kiosk with an existing Gtk app |
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| 08:43.03 | edoardo | anddam: digital signaging basically, i'm sorry if i didn't make it clear :) |
| 08:43.06 | anddam | I don't know, tr "start dwb fullscreen" on google and "man dwb" |
| 08:43.23 | edoardo | yeah, but how do i run xorg without anywhing? |
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| 08:43.47 | anddam | without anything? |
| 08:43.51 | shay_shay | am I invisible |
| 08:43.52 | anddam | X |
| 08:43.59 | anddam | shay_shay: yes, nobody can read you |
| 08:44.07 | edoardo | "<anddam> you may run a Xorg session with no wm at all, specify geometry for the app" |
| 08:44.27 | anddam | edoardo: but seriously read what shay_shay said |
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| 08:44.38 | shay_shay | I setup some digital signs recently for work and learned some things from it |
| 08:44.42 | anddam | he has actual experience with the issue |
| 08:44.50 | edoardo | i can't read shay shay |
| 08:44.51 | shay_shay | but I guess actual experience doesn't matter |
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| 08:45.03 | edoardo | he didn't write anything beside "am i invisible" |
| 08:45.12 | anddam | shay_shay: seems you actually was in invisible mode |
| 08:45.25 | shay_shay | lol |
| 08:45.25 | anddam | were* |
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| 08:46.08 | anddam | edoardo: I'm not sure how html5 comes handy in signaging |
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| 08:46.52 | edoardo | anddam: audio/video, animations, updating data in real time from external sources... |
| 08:46.57 | anddam | since it involves "live" rendering, you'd be better rendering the animation once and play a video |
| 08:47.06 | anddam | oh the real feed is a point |
| 08:47.35 | edoardo | like showing weather forecast, live news, playing advertisements |
| 08:47.56 | shay_shay | we have raspberry pis running browsers with camera feeds and also daily sales numbers and stuff like that |
| 08:48.28 | anddam | original RPi boards? |
| 08:48.39 | shay_shay | no, pi 2s |
| 08:48.40 | edoardo | shay_shay: i'm using a more powerful platform right now |
| 08:48.53 | anddam | edoardo: not with RPi2 |
| 08:48.55 | edoardo | oh, i thought you were running original ones |
| 08:49.24 | edoardo | i'm still deciding between Allwinner A10 - 512mb ram and Allwinner A20 - 1gb ram |
| 08:49.43 | edoardo | A20 is dual core and also has a MALI 400, with hardware acceleration as well |
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| 08:51.45 | VsyachePuz | how packages of new versions are adapted to old distribution release? I think this is impossible if they require dependencies of new versions. Otherwise distributil release will be the same as rolling release distribution, isn't it? |
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| 08:52.29 | shay_shay | !tell VsyachePuz about ssb |
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| 08:53.52 | VsyachePuz | shay_shay: what is ssb? i found the kernel module with such name - http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=52128 |
| 08:54.13 | sphenxes | how to install wine 32 bit on jessie 64 bit? I have done it several days ago but can't find the home page once more. can any one direct me to how to install wine 32 bit please |
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| 08:57.58 | shay_shay | VsyachePuz: ssb = simple sid backport |
| 08:58.45 | VsyachePuz | shay_shay: dpkg bot write a short istruction to me, but that is not what i want to understood. What if _simple_ backport will fail during compilation, because new software requires new version of dependencies? |
| 08:59.27 | anddam | VsyachePuz: I've been asking that myself since the build-deps use build tools from current distro |
| 09:00.00 | anddam | I guess the build will just fail (say autotools' configure check the library versions) and you end without a .deb file |
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| 09:00.15 | shay_shay | VsyachePuz: you will have to check if the dependencies can be resolved in your release.. if you have to backport a couple libraries that's fine, don't try to tackle big ones like xorg |
| 09:00.18 | Name141 | !xfce |
| 09:00.18 | dpkg | Xfce is a pretty nifty Desktop Environment. Lightweight, fast, compact. To install, ask me about <install xfce>. http://wiki.debian.org/Xfce http://wiki.xfce.org/faq http://www.xfce.org/ #xfce on irc.freenode.net. |
| 09:00.26 | anddam | but I figure that if you are building ssb for package foo, the foo dependencies are versioned |
| 09:00.28 | shay_shay | ,checkbackport vim |
| 09:00.34 | Name141 | E: Unable to locate package xfce |
| 09:00.36 | Name141 | hm |
| 09:00.40 | judd | Backporting package vim in sidâjessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie, virtual. |
| 09:01.08 | Name141 | !install xfce |
| 09:01.08 | dpkg | To install <Xfce> on established systems, ask me about <install x>, then: «aptitude install xfce4 xfce4-goodies» To install using Debian-Installer (if not using Xfce CD-1): from the Installer boot menu, select "Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > Xfce > Install". |
| 09:01.13 | anddam | Name141: that probably means you didn't read the factoid |
| 09:01.23 | Name141 | factoid? |
| 09:01.30 | anddam | what dpkg just said |
| 09:01.31 | shay_shay | !tell Name141 about msg the bot |
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| 09:02.05 | anddam | Name141: namely you didn't type what the bot suggested |
| 09:02.26 | VsyachePuz | shay_shay: ok, let's imagine, that i backported both my application and it's dependencies. if i will install dependencies, then stable branch will be already not such stable. It will become rolling release (because others old application may not work with beckports of new versions of dependencies) |
| 09:04.56 | shay_shay | VsyachePuz: its never happened in my experience and I do a lot of packages that way |
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| 09:05.08 | shay_shay | but you're right to be cautious |
| 09:05.45 | shay_shay | its still safer than installing packages from sid and trying to pin everything... |
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| 09:07.50 | VsyachePuz | shay_shay: i don't see how it is easier. Anyway, you need to look down full dependency tree from your application, and then look up through all application which depend on that dependencies... |
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| 09:08.14 | VsyachePuz | anddam: it is interesting point, that libraries can have several versions installed at the same time |
| 09:08.23 | shay_shay | VsyachePuz: maybe if you had an example we could go over together? |
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| 09:08.56 | VsyachePuz | shay_shay: i am just trying to understand the concept |
| 09:09.18 | VsyachePuz | of backporting |
| 09:09.55 | shay_shay | you build software against the libraries you have on your system. if the control file is written right it will only demand upgrades to libraries it absolutely needs to compile |
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| 09:11.01 | VsyachePuz | shay_shay: so, after upgrading a library, i will have 2 versions of it - old one for all applications and new one for my backported application, right? |
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| 09:14.05 | shay_shay | it depends. python2 doesn't overwrite python3 |
| 09:14.49 | shay_shay | that was an analogy ^ |
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| 09:16.08 | VsyachePuz | shay_shay: so, there is no conception of "SLOT"s, and package should be renamed to have 2 versions on the same time? I just found this article - http://www.techrepublic.com/article/a-massive-change-for-ubuntu-package-management-is-on-the-horizon/ |
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| 09:19.31 | shay_shay | you're worrying over nothing. if you get one that needs more than a couple things backported, an alternative is a chroot. another way is use GNU stow and compile from source (to /usr/local) and keep things separate from dpkg all together. |
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| 09:20.51 | VsyachePuz | shay_shay: i didn't know about stow |
| 09:20.58 | rootkea | Earlier I had http://i.imgur.com/MX92Hrs.png?1 . But now after installing `unifont` package I have http://i.imgur.com/diUnacn.png?1 . Better but still incorrect. |
| 09:21.16 | VsyachePuz | shay_shay: in which distributions it is used? |
| 09:21.31 | valdyn | rootkea: what is incorrect? |
| 09:21.34 | rootkea | Anybody got any suggestions on howto get the proper unicode characters to display in debian 8.0 as Ubuntu? |
| 09:21.48 | shay_shay | !tell VsyachePuz about stow |
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| 09:22.18 | rootkea | valdyn, Please have a look at "Google.co.in offered in : ..." |
| 09:22.33 | rootkea | in above two screenshots I mean |
| 09:22.38 | valdyn | rootkea: thats all chinese to me |
| 09:22.55 | valdyn | rootkea: i see that no glyph seems to be missing |
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| 09:23.22 | rootkea | valdyn, Yeah but second one seems proper right? |
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| 09:23.41 | nsh | is mtr broken? |
| 09:23.46 | valdyn | rootkea: the "better but still incorrect", what is incorrect? |
| 09:24.17 | rootkea | I used to had perfect devnagari script on ubuntu. |
| 09:24.46 | rootkea | The langauge names in devanagari script after "Google.co.in offered in : ..." |
| 09:25.06 | shay_shay | VsyachePuz: most of the time to make a sid backport its simple: apt-get -b source foo && gdebi foo*.deb |
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| 09:25.21 | rootkea | valdyn, Do you too see boxes on http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wikipedias |
| 09:25.37 | rootkea | or Do you see proper UNicode chars? |
| 09:25.56 | valdyn | rootkea: i see some boxes |
| 09:26.00 | rootkea | also http://git.wikimedia.org/blob/mediawiki%2Fcore.git/HEAD/languages%2FNames.php |
| 09:26.05 | Rephlexie_away | what happens when you manually select the encoding to hindi? |
| 09:26.10 | valdyn | rootkea: but thats quite irrelevant, because i dont need devgnari |
| 09:26.30 | VsyachePuz | shay_shay: i didn't found in which distributions stow is used. I want to understand - can i rely on backporting system, or it is better to use rolling release distribution from the beginning |
| 09:26.38 | rootkea | But the page at https://wiki.debian.org/Fonts/UnicodeCoverage says "Iceweasel seems to render all Wikipedia languages: " under "Quick Test" |
| 09:26.45 | valdyn | rootkea: cant you spell out what is wrong in your better image? |
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| 09:27.42 | shay_shay | VsyachePuz: its more reliable to backport what you need to a stable system |
| 09:28.09 | VsyachePuz | shay_shay: everyone says so, but can't explain why |
| 09:28.19 | shay_shay | VsyachePuz: you can use stow on any linux distribution |
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| 09:28.35 | shay_shay | VsyachePuz: experience. |
| 09:28.40 | shay_shay | vs |
| 09:28.45 | VsyachePuz | shay_shay: i mean, something like gobo linux, where it will be out of box |
| 09:28.49 | rootkea | valdyn, can you see https://www.browserstack.com/screenshots/6fa8f8086def6a58b1b7151160d52f1c46fe0690 |
| 09:28.56 | shay_shay | VsyachePuz: why dont you try it in a vm |
| 09:29.18 | valdyn | rootkea: thats alot of screenshots |
| 09:29.38 | rootkea | sorry https://www.browserstack.com/screenshots/6fa8f8086def6a58b1b7151160d52f1c46fe0690/win8.1_ie_11.0.png |
| 09:30.13 | rootkea | valdyn, This is what I used to have on Ubuntu by default. |
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| 09:30.55 | rootkea | I didn't even know that I need to do something "extra" to get those unicode chars working till I installed debian. #NoOffence |
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| 09:31.29 | shay_shay | rootkea: this is IRC, we dont have hashtags here |
| 09:31.56 | shay_shay | people might think you're inviting them to a channel :P |
| 09:32.02 | rootkea | shay_shay, my bad! |
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| 09:32.45 | edoardo | how can i change the regular kernel messages to a boot animation? |
| 09:32.47 | rootkea | valdyn, So after installing GNU unifont what more I need to do to get those unicode chars work properly? |
| 09:33.25 | rootkea | `unifont` made situation alittle bit better though But I'm still not satisfied. |
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| 09:34.52 | Rephlexie_away | I remember iceweaselk being fussy about it, despite having unicode set correctly from the install |
| 09:35.17 | valdyn | rootkea: rightclick on the text in firefox, select "inspect element" |
| 09:35.26 | Rephlexie_away | there was another step needed to make it iceweasel freidnly |
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| 09:35.54 | rootkea | Rephlexie_away, tried with chromium too. Same thing. So not specific to iceweasel I think |
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| 09:36.29 | shay_shay | vs |
| 09:37.00 | rootkea | valdyn, its's <a> element. What I need to see? |
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| 09:37.18 | valdyn | rootkea: the font being used |
| 09:38.11 | rootkea | valdyn, In css i see font-family: arial,sans-serif; |
| 09:38.43 | valdyn | rootkea: thats the html, click on "Fonts" |
| 09:38.57 | rootkea | and in HTML I see हिनà¥à¤¦à¥</ |
| 09:39.02 | valdyn | rootkea: well, not html, but css, anyway click "Fonts" |
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| 09:39.10 | rootkea | Oh, copy-paste works! |
| 09:39.47 | rootkea | valdyn, It says unifont! |
| 09:39.58 | shay_shay | हिनà¥à¤¦à¥à¤¹à¤¿à¤¨à¥à¤¦à¥ < --- blows my mind |
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| 09:40.52 | rootkea | valdyn, Looks like I need to install other font? |
| 09:41.26 | rootkea | shay_shay, so freenode supports Unicode or what? |
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| 09:42.04 | Rephlexie_away | https://fruit.je/utf-8 |
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| 09:44.34 | shay_shay | rootkea: uÌÌÌÌÌÌ
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| 09:47.16 | anddam | I'm not sure I'm UTF-ready, I saw a lot of messy symbols there |
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| 09:47.40 | valdyn | rootkea: your irc client does |
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| 09:48.02 | shay_shay | its supposed to show like 30 combiner characters together in one space |
| 09:48.45 | rootkea | valdyn, I am using Iceweasel! then why not it's displaying proper charcters for google.co.in ? |
| 09:48.56 | rootkea | webchat.freenode.net |
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| 09:49.42 | valdyn | rootkea: 2 links are unifont for me, all the others are FreeSans |
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| 09:50.19 | Rephlexie_away | jumping straight to browser to diagnose that will give you a headache. |
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| 09:50.59 | Rephlexie_away | get it to work in rxvt-unicode first then move onward to browser etc. |
| 09:51.13 | rootkea | valdyn, for me all links are unifont (according to font tab) |
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| 09:51.37 | valdyn | rootkea: install fonts-freefont-ttf |
| 09:51.38 | anddam | shay_shay: https://dl.dropbox.com/s/4dclgtf5j87deg3/Screenshot%20from%202015-05-02%2011%3A49%3A36.png ? |
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| 09:53.40 | shay_shay | anddam: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B6gkqQRx3edyeEdCMUZrZ0lMaE0/edit?usp=docslist_api |
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| 09:54.02 | rootkea | valdyn, That's it! Awesome! |
| 09:54.15 | rootkea | valdyn, 2 questions. |
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| 09:54.27 | rootkea | 1) How did you figure it out? |
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| 09:54.48 | valdyn | rootkea: with the "inspect element" |
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| 09:55.21 | rootkea | 2) There is fonts-freefont-otf too. diff otf and ttf? which one is better? |
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| 09:56.09 | VsyachePuz | здÑавÑÑвÑйÑе, ÑÑо ÑоÑÑм диÑÑÑибÑÑивоÑÑÑоиÑелей? Я ÑолÑко ÑÑо Ñзнал пÑо ÑÑилиÑÑ GNU Stow ( http://www.gobolinux.org/doc/wsl2002/gobolinux_wsl2002_english/node3.html ), диÑÑÑибÑÑив Gobo Linux, ÑÑо overlayfs вклÑÑен в ÑдÑо linux, и ÑÑо Ubuntu не изобÑели apt - |
| 09:56.09 | VsyachePuz | http://www.techrepublic.com/article/a-massive-change-for-ubuntu-package-management-is-on-the-horizon/ |
| 09:56.34 | valdyn | rootkea: 2 different on disk formats for the same font. I have no idea if there may be a difference |
| 09:57.31 | valdyn | rootkea: http://superuser.com/questions/96390/difference-between-otf-open-type-or-ttf-true-type-font-formats |
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| 09:59.04 | Fjorgynn | hey I am trying to reinstall nginx-full but I removed the /etc/nginx and now it won't install it |
| 09:59.09 | anddam | shay_shay: mm my terminal looks ugly |
| 09:59.11 | Fjorgynn | how can I make it install it? |
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| 09:59.24 | valdyn | !confmiss |
| 09:59.24 | dpkg | You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>. |
| 09:59.26 | valdyn | Fjorgynn: ^^ |
| 09:59.30 | teraflop | anddam: tty ot vt? |
| 09:59.34 | teraflop | or* |
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| 10:00.38 | valdyn | Fjorgynn: and nginx-common is the package that you broke and need to reinstall |
| 10:00.42 | anddam | teraflop: what's the difference? |
| 10:03.53 | teraflop | anddam: i meant vt under X or just tty |
| 10:05.38 | Fjorgynn | valdyn: I still don't get the nginx.conf :/ |
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| 10:07.24 | valdyn | Fjorgynn: read again what dpkg said |
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| 10:08.30 | Fjorgynn | sudo dpkg --force-confmiss -i /var/cache/apt/archives/nginx-common_*.deb |
| 10:08.35 | Fjorgynn | worked :) |
| 10:08.54 | anddam | teraflop: lxterminal |
| 10:09.12 | Rephlexie | --force-confmiss thats one I havent seen yet |
| 10:09.13 | teraflop | Fjorgynn: did you find a sane workaround for the php-fpm issue? |
| 10:09.31 | teraflop | anddam: the fonts looks ugly? |
| 10:09.45 | Fjorgynn | teraflop: nope |
| 10:11.01 | anddam | teraflop: as in the screenshot |
| 10:11.11 | anddam | compare mine and shay_shay's |
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| 10:11.26 | Fjorgynn | oh it works |
| 10:11.28 | Fjorgynn | teraflop: :D |
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| 10:12.11 | teraflop | heh Fjorgynn the stable repo one? |
| 10:12.46 | shay_shay | anddam: that's a android IRC client in my screen capture. it was just an example of the Unicode thing working |
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| 10:13.40 | teraflop | anddam: it doesnt look ugly to me, you mean you have missing glyphs? |
| 10:14.44 | anddam | teraflop: no, I guess the font is always greener on the other side of the fence |
| 10:15.01 | anddam | I'm using monospace (that's lxterminal default) |
| 10:15.25 | anddam | I never learned what fonts look nicer |
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| 10:15.45 | anddam | I have a vague recall Inconsolata being nice for terminal |
| 10:15.55 | anddam | (non-proportional ofc) |
| 10:15.56 | teraflop | anddam: is it your vt https://dl.dropbox.com/s/4dclgtf5j87deg3/Screenshot%20from%202015-05-02%2011%3A49%3A36.png ? |
| 10:16.19 | anddam | yes it is |
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| 10:16.39 | teraflop | anddam: I use inconsolatazi4 I find it the best ive tested so far |
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| 10:17.48 | teraflop | also you want to play with fontconfig if you want to tune hinting, antialias etc |
| 10:17.57 | anddam | teraflop: I don't get the difference you seem to make between vt and tty |
| 10:18.57 | Fjorgynn | teraflop: I don't really know how |
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| 10:19.02 | Fjorgynn | I think I got a later version of nginx now |
| 10:19.09 | anddam | I mean tty is not related to terminal emulator |
| 10:19.18 | anddam | in a exclusive way |
| 10:19.40 | teraflop | Fjorgynn: please share the exact package version as in apt-cache policy |
| 10:19.45 | teraflop | anddam: whatever .... |
| 10:20.41 | teraflop | anddam: http://a.pomf.se/pzydyd.png inconsolatazi4 here |
| 10:20.44 | Fjorgynn | teraflop: http://www.swedishprepper.com/dokumentarfilmer/ |
| 10:21.02 | Fjorgynn | Installed: 1.6.2-5 Candidate: 1.6.2-5 |
| 10:21.09 | Fjorgynn | of nginx-full |
| 10:21.14 | teraflop | from stable? |
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| 10:21.36 | Fjorgynn | teraflop: http://pastie.org/10124887 |
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| 10:21.41 | Fjorgynn | teraflop: yes |
| 10:21.43 | teraflop | yes it is |
| 10:21.44 | Fjorgynn | from jessie |
| 10:21.47 | teraflop | Fjorgynn: nice |
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| 10:22.21 | Fjorgynn | don't ask me how I did it :) |
| 10:23.01 | teraflop | Fjorgynn: may be you had an incompatible option in the old nginx configs and since you witched to the package default configs it got fixed? just gessing |
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| 10:25.04 | Fjorgynn | teraflop: interesting |
| 10:25.25 | Fjorgynn | when I copied the default to sites-enabled something borked now |
| 10:25.32 | teraflop | Fjorgynn: ^ |
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| 10:25.34 | fes235 | hey guys, looking to switch to debian for ubuntu and looking for an easy to use DE (looked at gnome and it seems too "bloated") got any suggestions? |
| 10:25.42 | Fjorgynn | Job for nginx.service failed. See 'systemctl status nginx.service' and 'journalctl -xn' for details. |
| 10:25.47 | Fjorgynn | so I removed |
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| 10:26.17 | themill | fes235: that's incredibly subjective. You need to try them yourself. |
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| 10:30.41 | Fjorgynn | teraflop: something is up to default_server in listen |
| 10:31.55 | anddam | teraflop: looks much nicer, is that a particular terminal font theme or weechat's? |
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| 10:32.02 | Fjorgynn | I probably should not have listen in that file |
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| 10:32.44 | julius_ | hi |
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| 10:34.27 | teraflop | anddam: theres no font themes your fonts are your fonts, but weechats looking has been tuned a bit |
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| 10:36.28 | anddam | teraflop: that was a typo, I meant terminal color scheme |
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| 10:36.54 | teraflop | anddam: ah yes, i have a custom color scheme |
| 10:36.59 | Artej | hi, any IME users here? |
| 10:37.27 | Artej | specifically ibus-anthy |
| 10:37.40 | teraflop | anddam: http://a.pomf.se/ggfwfl.png |
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| 10:38.02 | anddam | what terminal emulator is it? |
| 10:38.21 | teraflop | anddam: termite |
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| 10:38.42 | stockhol1 | i need to debug the soundsystem of my very old notebook. i do get some beeping out of it, with alsamixer, but not with pulseaudio. what is a irc channel that has linux-sound-system experts that i could ask? |
| 10:38.51 | anddam | lxterminal doesn't have settings for colors so I have to use Xresources |
| 10:38.53 | teraflop | anddam: just get a same pango one I suppose, there are a lot of ones |
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| 10:39.26 | teraflop | anddam: i never used lxterminal, but you can set custom color schemes e.g in gnome-terminal under profile settingd |
| 10:39.35 | anddam | teraflop: can you please pastebin the hex values of testrgb.py's output? |
| 10:39.38 | teraflop | ings* |
| 10:39.52 | teraflop | anddam: yep, gimme a sec |
| 10:41.09 | teraflop | anddam: http://ix.io/ifr |
| 10:41.50 | anddam | thanks |
| 10:42.00 | teraflop | anddam: yw |
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| 10:42.25 | anddam | teraflop: does that pomf.se have a small client? |
| 10:42.34 | fes235 | Whats the difference between ssh-client and openssh-client? |
| 10:42.45 | anddam | I'm looking for something staying in tray bar and that can upload a screenshot on the fly |
| 10:42.56 | teraflop | anddam: I have a little script I really do not now |
| 10:43.07 | anddam | I see |
| 10:43.09 | teraflop | anddam: thats what I do |
| 10:43.26 | anddam | fes235: check ssh-client cache info |
| 10:43.33 | teraflop | anddam: heh wait i paste my script |
| 10:43.43 | themill | fes235: there's no such package as "ssh-client". There are a number of packages that provide the ssh-client functionality though |
| 10:44.22 | teraflop | anddam: http://ix.io/ifs |
| 10:44.23 | themill | (or rather there could be multiple providers... there doesn't seem to be atm) |
| 10:44.26 | anddam | teraflop: I have dropbox uploader bash script for that but I was hoping in something like droplr |
| 10:44.28 | Fjorgynn | anywats it works now |
| 10:44.33 | SynrG | !tell fes235 about virtual package |
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| 10:45.09 | teraflop | Fjorgynn: glad to hear that, I was a little afraid about that bug we discusse |
| 10:46.02 | Fjorgynn | also I had to remove default_server in two of my vhosts on the listen block |
| 10:46.12 | Fjorgynn | then they worked fine |
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| 10:46.52 | SynrG | themill: curiously, dropbear is described as "lightweight SSH2 server and client" which Provides: ssh-server (but not ssh-client) and Suggests: openssh-client |
| 10:47.04 | SynrG | i wonder what happened there? |
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| 10:49.59 | teraflop | anddam: oh yes, there is also a pomfuploader.sh I forgot that, http://ix.io/ift |
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| 10:55.47 | xtc_ | pomf pomf loli loli :) |
| 10:56.46 | xtc_ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bHimOJb-Xw |
| 10:56.50 | xtc_ | so much loli in debian ? |
| 10:56.51 | xtc_ | :) |
| 10:57.22 | blazemaze | xtc_, can you not promote pedophilia in the public chatroom please? |
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| 11:01.30 | Amun_Ra | I would rather call it cacophony⦠;> |
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| 11:12.13 | CruX| | hi, docker.io is not in debian jessie repository ? |
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| 11:12.49 | CruX| | do I need to add repository ? |
| 11:13.04 | heurist | CruX|: no, it is in stretch though, I expect it will get backported to jessie eventually. |
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| 11:15.15 | adc | heurist: when I search on packages.debian.org it's only listed in sid and experimental |
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| 11:16.14 | heurist | adc: could be, stretch does not really exist yet, it is still mostly the same as jessie. |
| 11:16.51 | heurist | ,checkbackport docker.io |
| 11:16.52 | judd | Backporting package docker.io in sidâjessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie. |
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| 11:17.48 | heurist | CruX|: looks like it should be able to be backported, maybe you can do it yourself using ssb if you need it in a hurry |
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| 11:17.59 | heurist | dpkg: tell CruX| -about ssb |
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| 11:19.46 | teraflop | heurist: hmm id like to see that checkbackport plugin/alias code, is it available? |
| 11:20.48 | heurist | teraflop: possibly, maye start by looking at http://ircbots.debian.net/judd/ |
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| 11:21.18 | teraflop | heurist: thanks! |
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| 11:21.57 | yrc | Hi! I just upgraded to Jessie. Why does `systemctl list-units *.service` list ânot-foundâ units? |
| 11:22.38 | ircnode0_ | I tried "cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sdc1 backup2 && mount -o rw /dev/mapper/backup2 /media/usb", but I still get read-only in /media/usb, I want read and write for everybody. Did I miss something? |
| 11:22.55 | yrc | For example, I ran `find / -xdev -name arno-iptables-firewall.service` and `apt-file search arno-iptables-firewall.service` and neither gave a result, even though this unit is listed⦠|
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| 11:25.30 | yrc | And of course, I donât run any software named âArno Firewallâ or such! |
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| 11:41.31 | teraflop | yrc: i gess you want `systemctl list-unit-files` |
| 11:42.05 | teraflop | guess* |
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| 11:49.23 | valdyn | yrc: look in /run/systemd/ |
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| 11:51.43 | valdyn | yrc: err, run "echo *.service" in the same directory to see why `systemctl list-units *.service` is probably a bad idea |
| 11:53.20 | yrc | valdyn: `echo *.service` gives nothing (there are no .service files in CWD if thatâs what you thought). |
| 11:54.34 | yrc | teraflop: Actually, I donât âwantâ anything. Well, I want a clean OS, and I want to understand how service files that donât seem to exist on the system are listed, even though I never installed the corresponding software. |
| 11:55.05 | yrc | teraflop: Still, Iâll try list-unit-files, and see if it helps :-) |
| 11:58.34 | yrc | teraflop: `systemctl list-unit-files` does not list these âghostâ units. Here is a list of these âghostsâ: arno-iptables-firewall.service auditd.service clamav-daemon.service display-manager.service ferm.service firehol.service greylist.service ipmasq.service iptables.service mysql.service plymouth-quit-wait.service plymouth-start.service postfix.service shorewall.service systemd-sysusers.service syste |
| 11:58.40 | yrc | md-udev-hwdb-update.service systemd-vconsole-setup.service |
| 11:59.29 | yrc | I donât have ANY of these installed (eg: I use Exim not Postfix), except maybe iptables.service. |
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| 12:00.26 | yrc | valdyn: I found no '*arno*' in /run/systemd/ ⦠|
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| 12:01.37 | teraflop | yrc: well, To show all installed unit files use 'systemctl list-unit-files' man systemctl says it `List known units` |
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| 12:03.25 | teraflop | man systemctl says list-units List known units* |
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| 12:09.09 | teraflop | known!=installed |
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| 12:21.28 | hiexpo | !drbian |
| 12:21.37 | babilen | hiexpo: "/msg dpkg debian" please |
| 12:21.46 | hiexpo | !debian |
| 12:21.46 | dpkg | debian is, like, http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 12:22.03 | babilen | hiexpo: Please query the bot in private (either by using /query of /msg) |
| 12:22.07 | babilen | *or |
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| 12:22.45 | yrc | teraflop: Iâm not sure I understand the difference between known and installed in this context, but Iâll keep that in mind when searching. Thank you for your help! |
| 12:22.59 | teraflop | yrc: np |
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| 12:25.56 | tmhind2 | hi, just received a new computer and only want to run debian on it, what would give the best partitioning results for the 1TB drive |
| 12:26.51 | heurist | tmhind2: unless you know what you are doing, and have specific needs, just make it all one big partition, or one big one plus whatever uefi needs. |
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| 12:27.39 | teraflop | heh, how big has to be an ESP? |
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| 12:28.28 | tmhind2 | thanks, that is what i planned but i am interested in possibly running kvm also that is why i asked |
| 12:28.29 | heurist | teraflop: depends what you want to do with it, varies from a hundred meg to a few gig. |
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| 12:29.58 | teraflop | heurist: few GB for an ESP sounds crazy to me, anyway im sure you have your reasons to say that |
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| 12:31.11 | teraflop | and since ESP is FAT the few GB have a known limit |
| 12:31.27 | heurist | teraflop: who knows what your needs are, you might want to toss an ISO in there and boot from it... |
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| 12:32.06 | teraflop | that's true |
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| 12:34.24 | tmhind2 | heurist: i'm still learning my way around and asked because i did not know what would give me the best results for future needs |
| 12:35.32 | heurist | tmhind2: sure, asking is good. one big one is the most future proof for most people, you can resize it later if you need to create more. |
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| 12:36.09 | teraflop | tmhind2: in *my* case i do just /, perhaps you want a separated /home |
| 12:36.56 | tmhind2 | heurist: teraflop what do you two think about using lvm |
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| 12:37.27 | heurist | tmhind2: probably not worth it for a personal laptop. just adds another level of complexity. |
| 12:38.05 | teraflop | tmhind2: what heurist says |
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| 12:38.21 | tmhind2 | heurist: it's a desktop and i am interested in learning something about using kvm and such |
| 12:38.23 | heurist | tmhind2: you can reinstall later if you find you really want to use something more complex, in the mean time you can install in a VM and play with things like LVM and such. |
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| 12:38.54 | heurist | tmhind2: you do not need lvm for kvm. |
| 12:39.39 | teraflop | tmhind2: you can test lvm inside kvm hosts instead |
| 12:39.44 | teraflop | guests* |
| 12:40.08 | tmhind2 | heurist: so a basic / with seperate /home and a large data partition should do me fine then |
| 12:41.33 | heurist | tmhind2: that sound overkill, just a / would do you fine. but if you want to go with /home and data that is fine too. you just have to decide how large to make each, and you will probably get your size guess wrong, we all the first few times. (: |
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| 12:43.03 | liveworld | is Debian the most secure distro? |
| 12:43.38 | teraflop | liveworld: it depends on the user not the distro IMO |
| 12:43.39 | ShadowKatStudios | Linux or UNIX? |
| 12:43.46 | heurist | liveworld: no, most of the big names are about the same about security. |
| 12:43.47 | tmhind2 | heurist: been there, it is i have been getting jby with a system and two 40GB drives and was over whelmed with the 1TB |
| 12:43.49 | yeats | liveworld: that's the wrong question |
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| 12:44.34 | heurist | liveworld: security is something *you* do, not something your distro does for you. |
| 12:44.41 | liveworld | ok |
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| 12:47.28 | liveworld | I am going to try Debian |
| 12:48.09 | heurist | liveworld: if you are new to linux you should try a few of them and see which you like. Debian is a good choice though. |
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| 12:48.56 | liveworld | heurist: why does Debian require a long waiting if you select encrypted lvm? |
| 12:49.14 | liveworld | its erasing my disk with random char lol |
| 12:49.22 | liveworld | I guess its super secure |
| 12:49.57 | blackflow | you can skip that if you want |
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| 12:50.35 | heurist | liveworld: encrypted disks are usually filled with random date before being encrypted, so an attacker can not see what part of your disk has you data (the part that is not zeros) and just try to decrypt that. |
| 12:51.22 | liveworld | ok |
| 12:51.24 | liveworld | thanks |
| 12:51.30 | liveworld | but how I skip it? |
| 12:51.38 | liveworld | its been 10mins now |
| 12:51.49 | blackflow | esc if I'm not mistaken |
| 12:51.51 | liveworld | only half way |
| 12:52.05 | liveworld | omg you are a genius |
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| 12:52.17 | heurist | liveworld: I do not know how to skip it, but 10mins is probably not hafl way, more like 1 or 2 percent on modern drives. |
| 12:52.22 | blackflow | it's actually written in that message on the screen before it starts zeroing the disk |
| 12:53.12 | blackflow | if you're trying out linux, you should get accustomed to read these messages and documentation. :) |
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| 12:53.59 | liveworld | heurist: I have 120gb old HDD lol |
| 12:54.05 | liveworld | sata1 |
| 12:54.19 | blackflow | which cpu? |
| 12:54.19 | liveworld | blackflow: oh ya lol |
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| 12:54.29 | liveworld | i3-4130 |
| 12:54.32 | heurist | liveworld: making 120gb of random data may still take a few hours. |
| 12:54.51 | liveworld | blackflow: do you like my CPU? |
| 12:55.01 | liveworld | in live CD its blazing fast |
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| 12:55.26 | liveworld | its Installing the system |
| 12:55.31 | blackflow | liveworld: I don't, but I guess it's good enough to support the LUKS encrypted drive with insignificant overhead |
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| 12:55.47 | liveworld | blackflow: why? |
| 12:55.49 | blackflow | *the SATA1 encrypted |
| 12:55.55 | liveworld | you own i7? |
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| 12:57.05 | collizion | at least it has AESNI. |
| 12:57.47 | blackflow | true, that'll speed things up |
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| 13:13.43 | liveworld | I cannot enter su |
| 13:13.49 | liveworld | it says author failure |
| 13:13.57 | liveworld | what could be the problem? |
| 13:14.09 | heurist | dpkg: tell liveworld -about enter |
| 13:14.38 | heurist | liveworld: did you give a password for root during install? if not you should use sudo instead of su |
| 13:14.46 | liveworld | ya |
| 13:14.55 | liveworld | I did give a root password |
| 13:15.04 | liveworld | but its not accepting it |
| 13:15.17 | antisaint | User error! |
| 13:15.24 | heurist | liveworld: sounds like you messed up the password when you gave it. either then or now. |
| 13:15.31 | liveworld | sorry for enter again |
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| 13:16.19 | liveworld | so reinstall it? |
| 13:16.24 | heurist | liveworld: boot from install media, go into rescue mode and change the root password to what you meant it to be. |
| 13:16.43 | liveworld | ok |
| 13:16.51 | liveworld | my HDD is encrypted? |
| 13:17.11 | antisaint | FAIL! |
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| 13:17.54 | heurist | liveworld: presumably you have the ability to recover that, you know the keys you used to encrypt with? |
| 13:18.10 | liveworld | ya I know it works |
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| 13:18.48 | heurist | liveworld: try the recovery, if that does not work then maybe just reinstall. |
| 13:19.16 | liveworld | where is rescue mode? |
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| 13:19.57 | liveworld | in installation media? |
| 13:20.12 | blackflow | liveworld: is it possible your password contains y or z, and/or you're just using wrong keymap? |
| 13:20.20 | heurist | liveworld: yes, it is an option when you boot from the install media. |
| 13:20.28 | liveworld | there is none so I don't know what to do |
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| 13:20.54 | liveworld | it says live install graphical install advanced options |
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| 13:21.49 | heurist | liveworld: https://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/i386/ch08s07.html.en |
| 13:21.58 | antisaint | Graphical for the N00b |
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| 13:22.22 | liveworld | is reinstalling Debian jessir |
| 13:23.16 | heurist | dpkg: tell liveworld -about i forgot root's password |
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| 13:25.49 | liveworld | sorry guys its atomic mobile client |
| 13:25.55 | liveworld | always disconnected |
| 13:26.03 | heurist | dpkg: tell liveworld -about i forgot root's password |
| 13:26.39 | liveworld | i am reinstalling it, its almost done |
| 13:26.57 | liveworld | this time I pick a more stronger password |
| 13:27.26 | liveworld | but heurist I had three password how could I get root one wrong? |
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| 13:28.09 | teraflop | caps lock episode? bad keyb layout? .... |
| 13:28.31 | teraflop | s/bad/wrong |
| 13:28.34 | liveworld | I think its about keyboard layout only |
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| 13:28.56 | liveworld | I don't ever get the passwords wrong but let's see again |
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| 13:29.26 | teraflop | liveworld: then your stronger passwd full of #@... is likely to fail again until you fix your keyb layout |
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| 13:30.05 | cybrNaut | superfast: I ditched youtube-dl for cclive - cclive is more stable |
| 13:30.13 | liveworld | installer is really optimized, wheezy took 2x time |
| 13:30.25 | liveworld | 3x actually |
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| 13:30.59 | liveworld | cybrNaut: oh can you select a particular format? |
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| 13:31.34 | cybrNaut | liveworld: yes, according to the man page |
| 13:32.16 | heurist | liveworld: yes, you can use --prefer-format and specify a list of formats to try in order. |
| 13:32.17 | teraflop | cybrNaut: at lesat you said *I* instead *you use* cclive ... |
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| 13:34.15 | cybrNaut | i may have tried it at one point.. not sure if that was youtube-dl or cclive that I tried a non-default format. But in any case the default format is generally sensible |
| 13:35.04 | cybrNaut | youtube-dl forced me to do updates back when I used that, and the updates were by some internal mechanism to the app, not using "aptitude upgrade..." |
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| 13:35.59 | \\Mr_C\\ | how do i make debian 8 not goto gui at bootup? |
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| 13:37.06 | heurist | \\Mr_C\\: systemctl disable gdm should do it if you are running gnome. |
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| 13:37.39 | \\Mr_C\\ | does not work |
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| 13:37.59 | \\Mr_C\\ | its a fresh clean install with just debian desktop defaults |
| 13:38.14 | \\Mr_C\\ | defualts meaning during install |
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| 13:38.41 | heurist | \\Mr_C\\: "does not work" means what? I have heard about a gd3 service that may also need to be disabled, not tested that though. |
| 13:39.02 | mtn | \\Mr_C\\: ps aux | grep dm in a terminal. what comes up for your dm? |
| 13:39.20 | teraflop | oh this is getting annoying |
| 13:39.24 | \\Mr_C\\ | systemctl disable gdm does work |
| 13:39.31 | \\Mr_C\\ | systemctl disable gdm3 no work |
| 13:39.46 | \\Mr_C\\ | update-rc.d -f gdm3 remove |
| 13:39.48 | \\Mr_C\\ | no work |
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| 13:39.49 | teraflop | \\Mr_C\\: this is the third time i give you the bug wth the workarround http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=749374 |
| 13:39.50 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/749374 in gdm3 (open): «gdm3: Disable gdm3 service for systemd doesn't work»; severity: normal; opened: 2014-05-26; last modified: 2015-04-28. |
| 13:41.00 | teraflop | maybe he has me in the ignore list ... |
| 13:41.22 | \\Mr_C\\ | oh |
| 13:41.26 | \\Mr_C\\ | so i wait |
| 13:41.29 | \\Mr_C\\ | thanks |
| 13:41.34 | heurist | teraflop: hopefully the judd message went through then. |
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| 13:41.42 | \\Mr_C\\ | i shall re-install without the bloody gui |
| 13:41.52 | \\Mr_C\\ | oh it did |
| 13:42.12 | \\Mr_C\\ | i just wanted sound |
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| 13:42.35 | \\Mr_C\\ | so i guess i can deal with apt-get install xinit after no bloody install |
| 13:43.07 | \\Mr_C\\ | sorry |
| 13:43.19 | \\Mr_C\\ | to bother you |
| 13:43.36 | heurist | dpkg: tell \\Mr_C\\ -about enter |
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| 13:44.28 | themill | \\Mr_C\\: You're not making any sense at all. Please try to write in coherent sentences and actually take in the suggestions people have made to you. |
| 13:44.55 | \\Mr_C\\ | its okay |
| 13:45.02 | teraflop | I need a valerian herb infusion ... |
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| 13:45.12 | blackflow | valerian |
| 13:45.26 | blackflow | gonny fly with that :) |
| 13:45.33 | teraflop | heh |
| 13:45.36 | blackflow | *a |
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| 13:53.00 | unborn | guys - I need help with changing my host name on debian 8 - can anyone help please? |
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| 13:54.11 | scoofy | i wonder if 'echo newhostname > /etc/hostname' would do it |
| 13:54.27 | Brigo | unborn, there is a hostname command |
| 13:54.36 | antisaint | Wonder if google knew that one... |
| 13:54.46 | unborn | scoofy, that does not work.. hostname and hostname -f give me defer values |
| 13:54.48 | Brigo | and a new hostnamectl, of course. |
| 13:55.15 | unborn | Brigo, it does not change anything even after hostname script start again |
| 13:55.17 | scoofy | eh. systemd. |
| 13:55.50 | Brigo | unborn, and honstnamectl? |
| 13:55.58 | unborn | hostname ns1.domanin.com then hostname -f =ns1 --it should be the same value right? |
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| 13:57.12 | ntz | hello |
| 13:57.19 | Brigo | unborn, the man page about hostname talk about: "the commands set the host name or the NIS/YP |
| 13:57.19 | Brigo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:58.38 | teraflop | unborn: sudo hostnamectl set-hostname whatever , then reboot |
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| 13:58.59 | unborn | teraflop, thanks, did try this - not worked |
| 13:59.09 | scoofy | no way to do it without reboot? |
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| 14:00.46 | teraflop | unborn: it works here in a jessie install |
| 14:01.24 | grayC | eat some borage tops teraflop |
| 14:01.32 | grayC | borage makes you happy :) |
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| 14:02.09 | unborn | teraflop, so you did use net install yeah? |
| 14:02.21 | teraflop | grayC: about the infusion? |
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| 14:02.51 | grayC | yes |
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| 14:03.05 | teraflop | unborn: i dont know how is that related? you mean you did an upgrade? |
| 14:03.08 | teraflop | grayC: yeah heh |
| 14:03.21 | unborn | teraflop, fresh install |
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| 14:03.39 | unborn | teraflop, i am trying to install webmin/virtualmin |
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| 14:04.08 | grayC | valerian tastes SO bad |
| 14:04.19 | teraflop | unborn: exact like i did, and i dbout people ends qith a different debian 8 depending on the install media they use |
| 14:04.34 | teraflop | with* |
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| 14:05.15 | teraflop | unborn: oh good look with that webmin thing ^ |
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| 14:05.30 | stockholm | webmin is of the devil :-) |
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| 14:05.56 | unborn | teraflop, there was minor changes in the way how system works.. I did look and nothing is there :) teraflop better the devil you know ;) |
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| 14:06.19 | teraflop | stockholm: I better bite my tonge .. |
| 14:06.47 | stockholm | teraflop: did you want to say "halleluja"? |
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| 14:08.16 | Furai | I wonder if I should break my working 7 by upgrading to 8. |
| 14:08.41 | Furai | I've upgraded it previously 6->7. |
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| 14:09.58 | teraflop | stockholm: heheh |
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| 14:10.47 | polymorphisme | Hello :)= |
| 14:10.52 | Furai | Reading notes. |
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| 14:11.45 | teraflop | oh i said look i meant good luck ^ |
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| 14:26.24 | unborn | solved. thanks |
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| 14:31.38 | Parabola | morning folks, fakeraid boot issue (hooray!) after running boot-repair from a live disc, i've gotten as far as grub will boot windows without issue, but cannot boot linux (end up at an initramfs prompt) |
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| 14:32.25 | collizion | Parabola: you're better than I - I've NEVER gotten fakeraid to work |
| 14:32.49 | Parabola | :) well i can certainly help you in getting as far as i've gotten, although its not really "progress" |
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| 14:33.07 | discovered | I am missing the sources list in the sources.list file. Can anyone pastebin the jessie source list please? |
| 14:34.08 | superfast | discovered, just use the default |
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| 14:34.15 | heurist | dpkg: tell discovered -about sources.list |
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| 14:34.33 | heurist | discovered: the bot message should get you started. |
| 14:34.53 | discovered | heurist, thanks |
| 14:35.01 | superfast | what fonts do you use for Hexchat? |
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| 14:35.07 | superfast | I forgot the one I used in Trisquel |
| 14:35.09 | collizion | Parabola: I've got it all running on an mdadm RAID10, so I'm happy with it as is. |
| 14:35.18 | superfast | Also where can we customize fonts and all? |
| 14:36.02 | Parabola | collizion: yeah if it weren't for a couple games i'd ditch windows on this machine all together. everything else in my work and home life is linux or osx :-\ |
| 14:36.14 | heurist | superfast: maybe ask the #hexchat guys. |
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| 14:36.46 | superfast | heurist, how do you customize the fonts and all? |
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| 14:37.16 | heurist | superfast: I do not, because I do not use hexchat. |
| 14:37.24 | superfast | I am asking about Debian |
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| 14:38.05 | heurist | superfast: "debian" does not have fonts, my terminal does, my browser does, and so on. I set those in my terminal and browser settings. |
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| 14:38.34 | superfast | heurist, whole of the Debian have a font like the title bar or menus etc |
| 14:38.51 | collizion | superfast: that would be whatever desktop environment you're using, not Debian |
| 14:38.56 | mtn | superfast: you mean the desktop, it also controls the fonts |
| 14:39.00 | heurist | superfast: maybe you mean gnome? I do not use gnome, so I can not comment on that. |
| 14:39.04 | superfast | Ya |
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| 14:39.09 | superfast | Gnome is the default one |
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| 14:40.44 | collizion | superfast: But not required. I also do not use gnome. Haven't in a long time. |
| 14:41.41 | superfast | there is a tweak tool |
| 14:41.42 | superfast | it works |
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| 14:42.23 | Parabola | gnome-tweak-tool worked great when i used it a couple years ago |
| 14:42.37 | superfast | ya it still does |
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| 14:42.50 | Parabola | as a long time mac user, i love gnome shell |
| 14:42.55 | superfast | which mono fonts do you like? |
| 14:43.02 | superfast | Liberation MOno? |
| 14:43.02 | Parabola | its as similar a workflow as i can get on linux to my laptops |
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| 14:43.11 | superfast | I use to use a Mono fonts for IRC Chat |
| 14:44.10 | superfast | also there is a resolution problem |
| 14:44.20 | superfast | I have a 1280x720 Display |
| 14:44.26 | superfast | which is not okay as I can see |
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| 14:45.03 | Parabola | i think my fakeraid issue is obama related |
| 14:45.16 | Parabola | omfg is it working |
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| 14:45.41 | Parabola | hm, no, but its getting further into the linux boot, its not stuck at initramfs prompt |
| 14:45.59 | Parabola | i'm looking at what is almost certainly it attempting to boot, "mdam: create user root not found |
| 14:46.04 | Parabola | incrementally started raid arrays |
| 14:46.59 | superfast | Should I add my regular user to sudo list? |
| 14:47.05 | superfast | or use su for all the admin stuff? |
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| 14:48.14 | collizion | superfast: using sudo is generally preferred over su |
| 14:48.44 | Parabola | create a group, add your user to that group |
| 14:49.06 | Parabola | i dont know about debian distros, but rhel ones have a wheel group out of the box, just visudo, uncomment the wheel line |
| 14:49.13 | Parabola | usermod -G wheel $username |
| 14:49.18 | collizion | Parabola: debian has the 'sudo' group, iirc |
| 14:49.19 | superfast | but if I add a user to sudo |
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| 14:49.32 | superfast | they won't require SU password anymore right? |
| 14:49.34 | superfast | which is bad? |
| 14:49.40 | collizion | superfast: that's actually preferred. |
| 14:49.40 | superfast | Because my user password is weak |
| 14:49.42 | Parabola | no they will |
| 14:49.47 | Parabola | so you can do it two ways |
| 14:49.47 | collizion | superfast: then fix your user password. |
| 14:49.56 | Parabola | you can have it require a password, or add NOPASSWD to your sudoers file |
| 14:50.03 | Parabola | (i dont recall the exact syntax of this) |
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| 14:50.19 | Parabola | but you can specify what commands (or ALL) and if their password is required |
| 14:50.19 | collizion | superfast: best practice: make your password not suck, use sudo |
| 14:50.41 | Parabola | now someone fix my damn mdadm loop |
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| 14:51.05 | Parabola | :) |
| 14:51.23 | collizion | Parabola: mdadm --zero /dev/sd* |
| 14:51.26 | collizion | Parabola: No more loop! |
| 14:51.36 | collizion | ducks |
| 14:51.51 | Parabola | hehe |
| 14:51.59 | Parabola | oh man oh man oh man |
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| 14:52.13 | collizion | Parabola: (Please don't actually do that.) |
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| 14:52.19 | Parabola | yeah i'm not :P |
| 14:52.38 | Fjorgynn | :) |
| 14:52.48 | Parabola | OH GIRL YOU IN TROUBLE NOW |
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| 14:52.54 | Parabola | linux booted on fakeraid |
| 14:53.03 | Parabola | hopefully windows still boots |
| 14:53.07 | heg22 | Anyone knows when xfce 412 will hit testing/stable? |
| 14:53.10 | Parabola | and more importantly, upon reboot linux boots again |
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| 14:53.29 | A|an | Remind me what the -f in apt-get -f update does? |
| 14:53.41 | ompaul | force |
| 14:53.51 | ompaul | not a great idea |
| 14:53.52 | A|an | That's what I thought. |
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| 14:54.01 | Parabola | collizion: come get some m8 |
| 14:54.09 | A|an | yeah, got a bad vibe |
| 14:54.15 | Parabola | too bad i didnt document what i did to fix this |
| 14:54.20 | ompaul | ,v xfce |
| 14:54.21 | judd | No package named 'xfce' was found in amd64. |
| 14:54.27 | Parabola | could have created the first useful piece of documentation |
| 14:54.27 | ompaul | ,v xfce4 |
| 14:54.27 | judd | Package: xfce4 on amd64 -- squeeze: 4.6.2; wheezy: 4.8.0.3; stretch: 4.10.1; jessie: 4.10.1; sid: 4.10.1; experimental: 4.12 |
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| 14:54.54 | Parabola | oh, anyone had luck getting 144hz refresh working properly? |
| 14:54.56 | ompaul | heg22: when that falls to sid then you are looking at maybe 10 days to testing |
| 14:55.02 | Parabola | quick google showed 120 being all people were able to get |
| 14:55.15 | collizion | Parabola: yeah, too bad |
| 14:55.23 | ompaul | heg22: if nothing is too tragic and then you are looking at the next stable ~18/24 months |
| 14:55.39 | Parabola | collizion: i may honestly break it again tonight and redo it and document it |
| 14:56.01 | heg22 | ah awesome(I thought sid was the same thing as experimental? o.O) |
| 14:56.42 | Gargamel64 | Hi, I have a question about upgrading from jessie to stretch |
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| 14:57.41 | ompaul | heg22: no it's somewhere that the dev is saying - if you touch this you are mad I'm not even sure it should be packaged |
| 14:57.45 | ompaul | !experimental |
| 14:57.45 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference. http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 14:57.58 | ompaul | heg22: it should be avoided |
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| 14:59.27 | mtn | Gargamel64: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting |
| 14:59.43 | Parabola | collizion: take this down! install windows , boot linux USB / cd, install, put grub on / (it will fail) reboot , boot off usb again, install boot-repair, run it with defaults, it will also error / fail (but windows will boot) , reboot and from GRUB select advanced (this was ubuntu, not sure on verbiage for debian), in its TUI/CLI menu, select Grub, it will |
| 14:59.43 | Parabola | do the remap, then reboot .. #PROFIT |
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| 14:59.58 | Parabola | collizion: i believe that was all i did |
| 15:00.14 | heg22 | ah ok, how often does testing blow up and need fixes/reinstall? I want to use xfce 4.12 as my main workstation and debian is my goto distro. tho I have been using stable for so long and I dont know if testing is stable enough for a workstation. |
| 15:00.32 | Parabola | if you need stability, stay out of testing, thats why its called testing |
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| 15:00.57 | heg22 | well I dont mind fixing a few things every now and then, but reisntalling every couple of months is a no-no |
| 15:01.08 | ompaul | heg22: (A) you should have a backup of your data (B) you should know how to manage breakages |
| 15:01.31 | Parabola | heg22: trust me, stay out of testing :) |
| 15:01.39 | ompaul | heg22: there is no it will break twice - or fifty times |
| 15:01.49 | Parabola | unless you want to be fixing crap all the time, it will break when it breaks |
| 15:01.51 | ompaul | heg22: if you don't depend on one desktop |
| 15:02.10 | ompaul | heg22: you will have a more pleasurable life with it |
| 15:02.22 | heg22 | starts getting the idea that debians "testing" is sometyhing like archs main repo |
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| 15:02.34 | heg22 | something* |
| 15:02.43 | ompaul | no idea what arch does or doesn't do |
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| 15:02.54 | heg22 | ompaul: bleeding edge rolling distro |
| 15:03.09 | ompaul | and frankly don't need to know, I'd need to forget something useful |
| 15:03.26 | ompaul | testing is not rolling |
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| 15:03.46 | ompaul | it is a slow grid to stable -> then a release and the madness starts again |
| 15:03.47 | Gargamel64 | mtn: I've already done that. When I look at mate-stytem-monitor, I still see "Release 8.0 (Jessie)" |
| 15:03.59 | heg22 | ompaul: unfortunately I only have one PC, so I am depending on a single desktop |
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| 15:04.17 | ompaul | heg22: so run a testing vm and back your data onto the stable box |
| 15:04.23 | mtn | Gargamel64: what does lsb_release -a say? |
| 15:04.43 | ompaul | mtn: always with the good commands +1 ;-) |
| 15:04.52 | Brigo | heg22, then no, sid is more up to date. |
| 15:05.25 | Gargamel64 | mtn: |
| 15:05.25 | Gargamel64 | No LSB modules are available. |
| 15:05.25 | Gargamel64 | Distributor ID:Debian |
| 15:05.25 | Gargamel64 | Description:Debian GNU/Linux 8.0 (jessie) |
| 15:05.25 | Gargamel64 | Release:8.0 |
| 15:05.25 | Gargamel64 | Codename:jessie |
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| 15:05.31 | mtn | ompaul: at least as long as I can remember them :) |
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| 15:05.35 | ompaul | hehe |
| 15:05.57 | collizion | facepalm |
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| 15:06.00 | ompaul | mtn: seems like some people should learn to paste ... |
| 15:06.04 | mtn | would it now say stretch if he did update to testing? |
| 15:06.23 | blackflow | some people think IRC is there just for them and their insignificant little problems... |
| 15:06.34 | mtn | of course it is! |
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| 15:06.44 | ompaul | mtn: no |
| 15:06.51 | mtn | ompaul: too soon? |
| 15:06.52 | Raydiation | hi im reading through this atm https://wiki.debian.org/Self-Signed_Certificate |
| 15:06.56 | ompaul | even sid says jessie |
| 15:07.01 | mtn | ah |
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| 15:07.05 | Raydiation | will the cert be sha2 and 4096 bits strong? |
| 15:07.29 | ompaul | Raydiation: get a real cert that kind of thing is considered bad form and easy to spoof |
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| 15:07.41 | ompaul | Raydiation: and they cost about not a lot |
| 15:07.57 | Raydiation | ompaul: i plan to sign it using startssl |
| 15:07.59 | ompaul | Raydiation: sha2 / sha256 and 2048 is good |
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| 15:08.24 | mtn | Gargamel64: if you changed your sources and dist-upgraded you are on testing, but the name has not changed as of yet |
| 15:08.32 | Raydiation | as in create it on the server and let startssl sign the public key |
| 15:08.33 | ompaul | 4096 is high |
| 15:08.47 | collizion | ompaul: not drastically, a lot of sites use 4096-bit RSA certs. |
| 15:08.57 | Raydiation | yeah, i want to go with 4096 though, theres no real downside imho |
| 15:09.05 | Raydiation | man openssl is hard to understand |
| 15:09.05 | collizion | Raydiation: oh yes there is. |
| 15:09.23 | collizion | Raydiation: what exactly are you using the cert for? |
| 15:09.32 | Raydiation | collizion: mail and logins |
| 15:09.39 | Raydiation | personal page |
| 15:09.54 | fender0107401 | I got a strange message: The following packages have been kept back: perl-modules |
| 15:10.03 | fender0107401 | What is that mean? |
| 15:10.04 | Raydiation | fender0107401: dist-upgrade? |
| 15:10.14 | collizion | Raydiation: then yeah, you'll be fine, but larger certs cause geometric increases in TLS handshake delay. If you're using it for openvpn and such, you WILL notice a difference. |
| 15:10.25 | fender0107401 | already did, and still keep get that. |
| 15:10.36 | somiaj | fender0107401: what version of debian? |
| 15:10.39 | Raydiation | sha2 is sha256 right? |
| 15:10.45 | fender0107401 | 8.0 |
| 15:10.51 | Gargamel64 | mtn: OK, thanks (I also needed to upgrade about 200 packages, so it make sense). I just wanted make sure I swithed back to testing |
| 15:10.51 | Gargamel64 | My sources.list pointed to "jessie" and not testing until hour ago |
| 15:10.59 | collizion | sha2 is a category. Includes sha224, sha256, sha384, sha512, sha512/384, and sha256/224. |
| 15:11.09 | Raydiation | i see thanks |
| 15:11.13 | mtn | Gargamel64: sounds like you got it right ;) |
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| 15:11.26 | collizion | Raydiation: sha256 and sha384 are your go-tos. For a 4096-bit cert, sha384 is appropriate. |
| 15:11.26 | Gargamel64 | mtn: cool, Thanks again! |
| 15:11.37 | Raydiation | ty |
| 15:11.42 | collizion | Raydiation: However, most CAs will return a cert with a SHA256 signature regardless of the CSR, so you know. |
| 15:11.47 | ompaul | Raydiation: it depends on your audience if it is only yourself and people you know then forcing everyone |
| 15:12.12 | ompaul | Raydiation: to TLS 1.2 is more useful and make sure you kill off stupid protcols |
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| 15:12.47 | Raydiation | yeah, read several blogposts |
| 15:12.59 | ompaul | Raydiation: check out how to lock down NGINX |
| 15:13.02 | Raydiation | i think even mozilla has some apache settings for killing off old protocols |
| 15:13.13 | ompaul | that's client side |
| 15:13.13 | Raydiation | blacklisting* |
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| 15:13.21 | ompaul | you want it on the front end of your server |
| 15:13.36 | ompaul | which is a whole other story to what your browser does |
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| 15:13.40 | Raydiation | ompaul: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Security/Server_Side_TLS |
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| 15:14.28 | blackflow | oh by the way, before you go listen to random articles about hardening SSL, make sure you understand params as, depending on your use case, you might lock out users. |
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| 15:14.51 | ompaul | Raydiation: I'm happy, I use nginx and deploy servers that get an A rating from ssllabs.com and do other crazy stuff like pass PCI compliance |
| 15:15.18 | ompaul | even though they don't have money on them, they just have data |
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| 15:15.36 | ompaul | which isn't even that sensitive |
| 15:15.36 | blackflow | ompaul: you actually did PCI compliance audit? |
| 15:15.41 | ompaul | blackflow: yes |
| 15:15.57 | blackflow | ompaul: paid for and certified? |
| 15:16.06 | ompaul | money an objec |
| 15:16.17 | ompaul | t yes and - for fun and no profit |
| 15:16.33 | ompaul | well the company paid for it - it was a client requirement |
| 15:16.38 | ompaul | to handle their info |
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| 15:17.00 | ompaul | it was fun |
| 15:17.04 | Gargamel64 | msg dpkg paste |
| 15:17.16 | Gargamel64 | lol |
| 15:17.17 | ompaul | http://paste.debian.net |
| 15:17.26 | ompaul | raises an eyebrow |
| 15:17.30 | blackflow | ompaul: doesn't that cost tens of thousands of dollars? |
| 15:17.31 | Gargamel64 | ye.. forgot the slash |
| 15:18.26 | ompaul | blackflow: no, it costs a couple of k sterling |
| 15:18.56 | ompaul | blackflow: it was only the pen test part not the we have to visit you and audit your premesis one |
| 15:19.13 | ompaul | blackflow: there are many levels of insanity with PCI |
| 15:19.32 | ompaul | starting with not much and ending up explaining the contents of your breakfast |
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| 15:20.22 | blackflow | ompaul: did you actually use a certified auditor or did you just 'click here' on some random 'pentesting' site? |
| 15:20.24 | ompaul | blackflow: and this is my last comment on it as I'm way off topic, but the level you need to attain is pro rata with the amount of cash |
| 15:20.54 | ompaul | blackflow: I used a london based company (I'm in .ie) and I've met them face to face |
| 15:21.05 | blackflow | times change, I guess. |
| 15:21.09 | ompaul | they are certified |
| 15:21.34 | ompaul | blackflow: search for pen testing companies UK |
| 15:21.45 | ompaul | you'll see them but I won't say which one :) |
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| 15:22.17 | keltim | I'm experiencing a strange sudo issue on Jessie - http://pastebin.com/Wz7wwCZM |
| 15:22.42 | ompaul | keltim: why you use spam site when paste.debian.net doesn't spam? |
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| 15:23.20 | ompaul | keltim: what does sudo -i do on the machine you are on |
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| 15:23.36 | valdyn | keltim: did you log out and back in after adding tim to sudo group ? |
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| 15:23.54 | ompaul | yay valdyn with the better question :) |
| 15:24.01 | jil | Hello |
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| 15:24.40 | valdyn | keltim: why does that sudo.sudo file exist? sudo group is by default setup in /etc/sudoers |
| 15:24.44 | keltim | valdyn, http://paste.debian.net/170794/ |
| 15:24.52 | keltim | valdyn, yes |
| 15:25.31 | keltim | I'm trying to figure out why linux thinks sudo does not have suid set |
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| 15:25.49 | jil | I'm trying to install a mail server (postfix) on debian. I followed a tutorial from internet but still I can't receive mail. Please help. |
| 15:26.24 | valdyn | keltim: thats your strace |
| 15:26.30 | valdyn | keltim: got nothing to do with your error |
| 15:26.39 | keltim | valdyn, that is just the way I did it for manageability's sake, that should not affect anything, although the relevant line in /etc/sudoers has been commented out |
| 15:26.41 | ompaul | jil: is the computer in a data centre or a lan? |
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| 15:27.18 | ompaul | jil: is the computer in a data centre or a lan? |
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| 15:28.11 | keltim | valdyn, should it not get to the point where it execs /usr/bin/sudo? that should succeed and read the config files |
| 15:28.26 | jil | the computer is a VPS with ovh. I connect via ssh |
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| 15:29.02 | valdyn | keltim: strace appearantly does not work in a way that respects the suid flag, but that has got nothing to do with your error |
| 15:29.03 | ompaul | jil: on the machine can you telnet localhost 25 |
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| 15:29.58 | keltim | valdyn, ok then. |
| 15:30.01 | valdyn | keltim: show us your /etc/sudoers |
| 15:30.04 | keltim | sure |
| 15:30.08 | keltim | hold on a sec |
| 15:30.29 | jil | ompaul: you mean to check if port 25 is open? |
| 15:30.30 | ompaul | jil: is english your native langauge? |
| 15:30.48 | jil | no my mother tongue is french |
| 15:30.50 | keltim | valdyn, http://paste.debian.net/170797/ |
| 15:30.56 | jil | but still I'm ok in english I think |
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| 15:31.15 | jil | I don't understand telnet ... |
| 15:31.24 | valdyn | keltim: if strace respected the suid flag, it would be quite easy to read passwords btw |
| 15:31.24 | keltim | pretty much the default |
| 15:31.25 | zhb | jil: try this solution: http://www.iredmail.org/ |
| 15:31.32 | valdyn | keltim: big gaping security hole |
| 15:31.34 | joldy | telnet is like terminal but ancient |
| 15:31.34 | keltim | valdyn, true that |
| 15:32.12 | jil | ompaul: if I type telnet localhost 25 I get an error telnet could not resolve localhost/25 |
| 15:32.42 | valdyn | keltim: i think maybe you didnt use visudo |
| 15:33.16 | xtc_ | hi |
| 15:33.35 | jil | zhb: thx for the software but I'de rather stick to postfix. |
| 15:33.47 | zhb | it uses postfix as mta. |
| 15:33.50 | Doyle | Hey. Debian Wheezy. Despite having a static IP configured, the virtualbox guest is still taking a DHCP address every time the lease expires from the initial installation. |
| 15:34.07 | keltim | valdyn, no I did. It works fine if I do not use /etc/sudoers.d/foo |
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| 15:34.15 | Doyle | Why would this be? |
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| 15:35.14 | Doyle | Syslog is full of DHCPREQUEST on eth0, which is configured in /etc/network/interfaces to use a static IP. |
| 15:35.20 | ompaul | jil: you should search for the error message the fix for that is very simple it has to with your /etc/hosts file but you need to fix your networking |
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| 15:35.50 | ompaul | jil: and search for this local_transport is ill configured |
| 15:36.11 | ompaul | jil: also do you have /var/spool/ stuff set u |
| 15:36.13 | ompaul | up |
| 15:36.46 | ompaul | jil: I have just been given something to do - you'll be fine if you search for your error messages - it's very easy to get the box up and running |
| 15:36.46 | jil | yes ompaul it's simple for expert like you but I'm not an expert. after many years working with computer I still don't get this story of dns, hosts, and apache site-enables stuff :) |
| 15:37.01 | jil | But I knew it had to do with my network config. |
| 15:37.13 | jil | ok |
| 15:37.17 | jil | thx ompaul |
| 15:37.19 | joldy | the secret is to pretend the world is like minesweeper |
| 15:37.21 | valdyn | keltim: read "man sudoers", you are using illegal filenames " sudo will read each file in /etc/sudoers.d, skipping file names that end in â~â or contain a â.â characâ....." |
| 15:37.25 | joldy | then everything is easy |
| 15:37.39 | keltim | oh CONTAIN |
| 15:37.42 | heurist | keltim: have you read the man page for sudoers? it mentions that you should not have a dot (.) in the sudoers.d files. |
| 15:37.43 | ompaul | jil: DNS - how your machine is found by others on the interhet, hosts, how your machine cheats about addresses, apache - use nginx (woops did I really say that ;-)) |
| 15:38.04 | keltim | yes, I must have glossed over that |
| 15:38.06 | ompaul | jil: break it down write down what you are looking for so you glue it into you brain |
| 15:38.44 | superfast | I don't understand you ideas |
| 15:38.53 | superfast | I have a regular user with weak password |
| 15:38.58 | superfast | and a strong root password |
| 15:39.06 | superfast | and a strong FDE password |
| 15:39.10 | joldy | hunter2 is not a strong root password |
| 15:39.13 | joldy | try hunter3 |
| 15:39.15 | jil | thx for the advices ompaul... I've got my litte file with what I need to do for today. :) |
| 15:39.30 | jil | 1 check the log for errors |
| 15:39.58 | superfast | joldy, TBltACScsu5GVxyKclW0T6j7r |
| 15:40.03 | superfast | this is my root password |
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| 15:40.09 | buu | takes notes |
| 15:40.11 | keltim | valdyn, I knew it was something like that. I'm used to putting ".sudo" on the filename for that, just a habit |
| 15:40.18 | ompaul | runs john the ripper |
| 15:40.18 | joldy | mine is OK |
| 15:40.18 | superfast | and I have 32 char password for Disk Encryption |
| 15:40.21 | blackflow | superfast: all I see is ************************ |
| 15:40.29 | superfast | blackflow, lol |
| 15:40.30 | superfast | ok |
| 15:40.32 | ompaul | blackflow: unless you are on irc ... |
| 15:40.34 | ompaul | oh wait |
| 15:40.36 | buu | blackflow: I think you missed a few stars |
| 15:40.41 | Raydiation | ompaul: btw, does startssl always use sha1 for signing? |
| 15:40.51 | blackflow | ;) |
| 15:40.54 | Raydiation | as for the csr |
| 15:40.55 | ompaul | Raydiation: no idea now I have to run |
| 15:40.59 | Raydiation | ok, thanks |
| 15:41.01 | superfast | I should use su when doing important stuff then |
| 15:41.29 | joldy | Real sysadmins login with root |
| 15:41.38 | superfast | but what do I do then? |
| 15:41.44 | superfast | I am coming from Trisquel background |
| 15:41.49 | superfast | we don't have a root password there |
| 15:41.53 | superfast | so sudo is used |
| 15:41.55 | superfast | :/ |
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| 15:42.08 | heurist | dpkg: tell superfast -about enter |
| 15:42.13 | joldy | Then you disable iptables and install telnet from an old version on sarge |
| 15:42.17 | superfast | I don't understand this concept of root password at all, why do you even need a root account? Debian Workstation should not use root account |
| 15:42.20 | keltim | superfast, that is the best way, don't let anyone tell you otherwise |
| 15:42.38 | superfast | heurist, I am used to ENTER hehe |
| 15:42.46 | zeitsofa | hey guys. I want to configure a RasberryPI as WIFI extender. The RPi should connect to "Home Wifi" on wlan0 (with wpa_supplicant) and should create a new wifi "Home Wifi 1" on wlan1 (with hostapd) - this configuration will work so i DON'T use a bridge between both wifi cards. But there is a lag with Port forwarding for VOIP (client in HomeWifi1 can hear the incoming voice but there is no outgoing voice available) |
| 15:42.56 | heurist | superfast: if you do not give root a password during install then it sets up sudo and you do not need a root password. |
| 15:43.09 | joldy | next you place pictures of chiwawas on your desktop next to a textfile that reads 'change me please' |
| 15:43.14 | zeitsofa | is there a war to use bridging for two wifi nic's? |
| 15:43.18 | zeitsofa | *way |
| 15:43.27 | superfast | heurist, omg you should have told me this and I have reinstall again now :/ |
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| 15:43.44 | joldy | that way if the desktop picture doesn't change you know you are secure |
| 15:43.48 | blackflow | oh lol, reinstall? again? you're doing it wrong. |
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| 15:44.33 | blackflow | superfast: and btw you need a root account, there's no linux without it |
| 15:44.36 | superfast | It would be my third installation today, I don't get it why Debian need extra root password even for Workstation, of course you do have Admin accounts and Standard account |
| 15:44.49 | superfast | blackflow, I know but it is disabled on most distros |
| 15:45.02 | blackflow | superfast: most? |
| 15:45.06 | superfast | Trisquel |
| 15:45.15 | blackflow | that's one of 700+, next? |
| 15:45.17 | joldy | this is because debian is a distro of real men unlike those other distros |
| 15:45.24 | heurist | superfast: you can use passwd -l to disable the root password, make sure you have gotten sudo working and first. |
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| 15:45.42 | superfast | blackflow, hehe, I don't know, I use Fully Free only, I don't use non-free distros |
| 15:45.43 | keltim | zeitsofa, are you trying to configure them with one as a repeater? that is effectively like an ethernet bridge |
| 15:45.55 | blackflow | superfast: oh so you're full of crap when you say 'most'? |
| 15:46.01 | superfast | heurist, Ok you sure? I would do it right away. |
| 15:46.01 | joldy | OK all |
| 15:46.09 | joldy | all other distros are distros of un-real men |
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| 15:46.56 | heurist | superfast: you are welcome to reinstall again if you prefer. |
| 15:47.05 | Doyle | It looks like dhclient is renewing the systems initially configured DHCP address despite having a static IP configured. What's causing this behavior? |
| 15:47.19 | Doyle | Others have reported it online as well, but don't have a good answer. |
| 15:47.27 | zeitsofa | keltim: If i configure this setup with eth0 as incoming interface - it wil work perfect. but i think the problem is, if you configure a bridge both interface gong in permiscious mode. thats no problem for eth0 but for an incoming wlan0 with wpa-supplicant |
| 15:47.29 | heurist | superfast: maybe do some test installs in a VM, so you can get a feel for the options available. |
| 15:47.32 | joldy | apt-get autoremove --purge dhclient -y |
| 15:47.52 | joldy | remove first,check for breakages later, always run as root! no compromises, no surrender! |
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| 15:48.02 | joldy | I am minesweeper level 12 |
| 15:48.47 | superfast | lol I did setup a lot of things by now, and I don't want to do it again. heurist so what is wrong with using su? if we have a su? Or can I setup a sudo account so that they would still need root password? |
| 15:49.09 | blackflow | superfast: maybe you should read up a bit what does sudo do |
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| 15:49.56 | superfast | blackflow, I just don't see a point in remembering two passwords one for root and one for my account and both too complex |
| 15:50.05 | heurist | superfast: you can tell sudo to request the root password (or the password of the user you are changing too) or you can just use su, use whatever you like. especially on a single user system. |
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| 15:50.17 | blackflow | superfast: set them both to single password then |
| 15:50.30 | joldy | superfast: remember passwords? please, this is 2015. write them down and stick them on the monitor |
| 15:50.37 | superfast | blackflow, I don't want to. |
| 15:50.44 | superfast | ok guys then I would use su |
| 15:50.46 | blackflow | superfast: and by all means use sudo and just your "standard" account, but leave root with a password enabled. |
| 15:51.17 | joldy | make sure your root password is not hunter2 |
| 15:51.20 | superfast | blackflow, I am using a standard account right now but its has weak password |
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| 15:51.30 | superfast | TBltACScsu5GVxyKclW0T6j7r <-- this is my root password |
| 15:51.39 | blackflow | superfast: you can set root to some random 256 characters long string if you want |
| 15:51.39 | joldy | always use hunter3 instead as it is stronger |
| 15:51.49 | t4nk918 | Hi |
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| 15:52.11 | blackflow | superfast: you can always sudo su -l if you want to become root, you don't need the root password for that |
| 15:52.23 | DelphiWorld | hi debianists |
| 15:52.26 | DelphiWorld | i am on jessy |
| 15:52.27 | joldy | what does the -l do? |
| 15:52.33 | DelphiWorld | could i go back to kernel 3.2? |
| 15:52.35 | heurist | blackflow: why not just sudo -i ? |
| 15:52.37 | blackflow | superfast: BUT! should you lose sudoers for whatever reason, or need to login as root directly, you can do so. |
| 15:52.41 | joldy | Congratulations delphiworld, I am on beer |
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| 15:52.51 | collizion | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:52.55 | collizion | ;) |
| 15:52.56 | blackflow | heurist: or that |
| 15:53.11 | keltim | zeitsofa, so you have a br0 (bridge device) containing the two? you're doing like https://wiki.debian.org/BridgeNetworkConnections ? |
| 15:53.42 | DelphiWorld | i want to go back to older 3.2 kernel... |
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| 15:53.58 | mtn | DelphiWorld: why? |
| 15:54.04 | superfast | OMG, you are not getting it, are you? I am asking you all, that could I use su only for aptitude/apt-get work? in the terminal? Since I am used to it? I am obviously using a standard user only! like Debian sets it up |
| 15:54.18 | scoofy | you can do that |
| 15:54.26 | DelphiWorld | mtn: cause sangoma wanpipe driver is not compatible |
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| 15:54.46 | scoofy | superfast: what would you like to do |
| 15:54.51 | blackflow | superfast: sudo aptitude ... |
| 15:54.56 | tmhind2 | superfast: why not, i don't use sudo |
| 15:55.09 | mtn | DelphiWorld: how do you know? what have you tried? what errors do you get? etc. etc. |
| 15:55.11 | heurist | superfast: the primary downside of su - that sudo fixes - is that "all" the users need to know the root password, if one of them goes rogue you need to change the root password and all the users need to know. sudo lets you get away with not telling people the root password, it also lets you gain finer controls of what the users can do. |
| 15:55.13 | joldy | superfast: be real man, use root for everything |
| 15:55.28 | DelphiWorld | mtn: how do i redirect all "make" output to a file? |
| 15:55.33 | collizion | in soviet russia, root controls -you-. |
| 15:55.36 | joldy | paste root file on monitor |
| 15:55.42 | superfast | I cannot understand why do I need to add a standard user to sudo. if I am the only user of this system? |
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| 15:55.54 | scoofy | superfast: you don't need. just su to become root. |
| 15:55.55 | collizion | superfast: ... YOU aren't getting it. |
| 15:56.00 | heurist | superfast: you do not. use su. |
| 15:56.06 | mtn | DelphiWorld: no idea |
| 15:56.14 | Sheraf | how can i prevent ssh to display: connect_to localhost port 80: failed. |
| 15:56.15 | collizion | superfast: You're adding YOUR user to the config file for sudo. |
| 15:56.27 | superfast | heurist, I am not using SU sir, I am suing using su for aptitude update/upgrade/add/remove etc |
| 15:56.31 | superfast | from a standard user only |
| 15:56.39 | collizion | twitches |
| 15:56.42 | scoofy | doesn't putting your user (with a weak password) into the sudoers, effectively make you root (with a weak passwd) ? |
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| 15:56.51 | collizion | superfast: Add your user to /etc/sudoers via visudo, then 'sudo aptitude blah' END OF STORY. |
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| 15:57.03 | blackflow | scoofy: of course it does, but it didn't dawn on him just yet |
| 15:57.08 | joldy | or just run as root and set your password to hunter3 |
| 15:57.08 | DelphiWorld | mtn: hold on i'lle provide the output |
| 15:57.09 | heurist | superfast: yes, that is how you use su. stop worrying about it. go do something else. I know I am. |
| 15:57.19 | joldy | you can only have security or convenience |
| 15:57.28 | joldy | so choose security and use hunter3 |
| 15:57.28 | blackflow | joldy: hunter4, since you've mentioned hunter3 too many times here now. use hunter4 |
| 15:57.30 | superfast | collizion, then why do you need root password? if I can become root. |
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| 15:57.46 | scoofy | superfast: so if you add your user to the sudoers list, your user will effectively become root with a weak passwd. so just su to root, and protect root with a strong passwd |
| 15:57.46 | joldy | blackflow: I stick to odd numbers myself, just to keep them guessing |
| 15:57.47 | DelphiWorld | mtn: http://paste.debian.net/170810/ |
| 15:57.50 | blackflow | superfast: do you know what sudo does? |
| 15:57.55 | superfast | heurist, so I am doing it right? I use su only for aptitude work nothing else. I exit it right away in the terminal when it is done. |
| 15:57.56 | joldy | this remote shell is hunter5 for example |
| 15:58.03 | heurist | superfast: yes. |
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| 15:58.08 | scoofy | superfast: then you don't need root, as sudo makes your regular user 'root' effectively |
| 15:58.10 | collizion | superfast: on my system, root doesn't have a password (it's disabled). |
| 15:58.11 | blackflow | joldy: primes are even stronger |
| 15:58.26 | scoofy | superfast: that is fine. |
| 15:58.26 | joldy | blackflow: primes are for mere mortals |
| 15:58.32 | joldy | real men use counting numbers |
| 15:58.35 | superfast | ok thanks all :) I was so much worried |
| 15:58.36 | joldy | I saw that on TV |
| 15:58.43 | blackflow | joldy: real men use imaginary numbers |
| 15:58.43 | superfast | since my user password is JOKERPOKER |
| 15:58.51 | scoofy | superfast: using 'su' is fine. imo better than sudoing |
| 15:58.52 | joldy | you are a noob |
| 15:59.01 | joldy | jokerpoker is the number 1 rookie error |
| 15:59.03 | blackflow | hunter.sqrt(-1) |
| 15:59.04 | joldy | use hunter3 please |
| 15:59.13 | collizion | scoofy: best practices disagree with you. |
| 15:59.19 | DelphiWorld | my password is mylovelydebian8 |
| 15:59.20 | DelphiWorld | lol |
| 15:59.21 | scoofy | collizion: on a single-user system? |
| 15:59.32 | mtn | DelphiWorld: what error tells you that you need a different kernel? hopefully someone else here knows compiling better than I do, too. |
| 15:59.35 | scoofy | what's even the purpose of sudoer list if you're the only user... |
| 15:59.35 | collizion | scoofy: on any system. |
| 15:59.39 | jhutchins | collizion: Not really, there are different approaches that are valid. |
| 15:59.43 | scoofy | collizion: i disagree |
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| 15:59.46 | joldy | such as hunter2 |
| 15:59.48 | rootkea | When I say `$ sudo apt-get update` It says "Err http://security.debian.org jessie/updates Release.gpg Could not resolve 'security.debian.org' Err http://ftp.us.debian.org jessie Release.gpg Could not resolve 'ftp.us.debian.org' ..." |
| 15:59.48 | collizion | scoofy: don't care. :) |
| 15:59.50 | DelphiWorld | mtn: no error honestly, but was working with 3.2 then i just upgraded |
| 16:00.02 | collizion | then again, its your system, so do what you like. |
| 16:00.02 | scoofy | joldy: use hunt3r, that confuses crackers |
| 16:00.06 | superfast | blackflow, I don't know what sudo does, sorry |
| 16:00.18 | joldy | amazing stuff |
| 16:00.19 | mtn | DelphiWorld: I was wondering if you are missing something that you had installed on wheezy, but not sure. |
| 16:00.24 | joldy | let me write that down |
| 16:00.28 | scoofy | collizion: i just prefer to not give root permissions to an user that has a weak password. |
| 16:00.33 | scoofy | what sudo does |
| 16:00.42 | blackflow | superfast: then read its manual. sudo effectively elevates you to become root, with your standard user password, for the purpose of executing whatever you're executing. you BECOME ROOT during that time. |
| 16:00.43 | scoofy | when i sysadmin, i do it as root |
| 16:00.43 | collizion | scoofy: then don't let your users set weak passwords. |
| 16:00.47 | rootkea | When I say `# apt-get update` it fetches the package info (proxy works) Here is my /etc/environment http://paste.debian.net/170811 |
| 16:00.48 | jhutchins | collizion: Part of intelligent security is correctly determining the risk situation. |
| 16:00.56 | scoofy | collizion: users are lame. they use weak passwords |
| 16:01.07 | scoofy | collizion: and, i was talking about single-user system |
| 16:01.09 | heurist | superfast: maybe remove sudo from your system, you do not need it with how you are running, and it may be configured in such a way that you less secure with it installed. |
| 16:01.11 | scoofy | so i have no 'users' |
| 16:01.16 | superfast | look guys my point is what is the point in using two passwords one for su and one for user, Trisquel did it way better, |
| 16:01.21 | blackflow | scoofy: you have a number of them actually. |
| 16:01.22 | collizion | scoofy: Then, sysadmin, don't set a weak password. |
| 16:01.22 | joldy | sudo is a supremely unmanly decision option and you should never use it unless you have to choose between that and hunter2 |
| 16:01.29 | blackflow | scoofy: cat /etc/passwd and you'll see |
| 16:01.30 | rootkea | And here is my /etc/sudoers http://paste.debian.net/170812 |
| 16:01.35 | joldy | always _ALWAYS_ use hunter3 |
| 16:01.48 | blackflow | hunter${sqrt(-1)} |
| 16:01.51 | scoofy | collizion: my root password is 20+ chars long |
| 16:01.59 | joldy | you sysadmins and your hunter2s |
| 16:02.04 | DelphiWorld | hey guys please help:P |
| 16:02.04 | DelphiWorld | http://paste.debian.net/170810/ |
| 16:02.05 | blackflow | hunter4 |
| 16:02.06 | superfast | scoofy, Do you use it like me? |
| 16:02.11 | superfast | Or did you not input any root password? |
| 16:02.12 | scoofy | superfast: yes. |
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| 16:02.25 | joldy | is your password huter2hunter2hunter2? |
| 16:02.33 | scoofy | i always have a root password set up, that is a strong one. not hunter2hunter2hunter2. |
| 16:02.44 | joldy | never use a simple repeated password |
| 16:02.48 | superfast | Okay, scoofy I am not going to worrry about it anymore. Do you know how to use OpenVPN configuration in Debian? |
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| 16:02.50 | joldy | instead choose hunter2hunter2hunter2norepeat |
| 16:02.53 | superfast | do we need to install it first? |
| 16:03.06 | rootkea | BTW I added my normal user to sudo group as `# adduser rootkea sudo` |
| 16:03.14 | superfast | Debian is not for kids, Its for Adults, I am a kid yet, I just realized. |
| 16:03.47 | blackflow | you can try Ubuntu then |
| 16:03.59 | joldy | Debian is for real men |
| 16:04.04 | collizion | which forces you to use sudo unless you manually set a root password. |
| 16:04.06 | joldy | Ubuntu is for men |
| 16:04.25 | joldy | who are men but somehow not real men like Real Men |
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| 16:04.36 | superfast | blackflow, Trisquel is fully free Ubuntu with a custom Gnome Enviornment |
| 16:04.36 | blackflow | they're UNREAL MEN! |
| 16:04.39 | scoofy | i remember the root password for my school used to be 'fule56' |
| 16:04.41 | joldy | because they use sudo and not hunter2 |
| 16:04.48 | scoofy | fule56 is better than hunter2 |
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| 16:04.52 | joldy | no |
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| 16:04.55 | blackflow | joldy: alias hunter2='sudo' |
| 16:04.58 | rootkea | Any pointers why sudo not carrying the environment when I have already added `Defaults env_keep += "ftp_proxy http_proxy https_proxy no_proxy"` to /etc/sudoers ? |
| 16:05.02 | joldy | fule56 has 6 characters |
| 16:05.07 | joldy | whereas hunter2 has 7 characters |
| 16:05.08 | joldy | please |
| 16:05.11 | superfast | xSmurf, How did you get your VPN to work? I cannot import opvn configuration into VPN? Do we need to install OpenVPN first? |
| 16:05.14 | scoofy | yes but fule is nonsense, hunter is a sensible word |
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| 16:05.20 | SynrG | DelphiWorld: better to bug sangoma about this than go back to an older kernel. do they have an issues tracker? |
| 16:05.24 | joldy | hunter2 is a superior more manly password |
| 16:05.34 | superfast | Use a script for passwords |
| 16:05.34 | scoofy | i prefer jennifer123 |
| 16:05.37 | superfast | or use SHA512 |
| 16:05.41 | scoofy | that's longer than hunter2 |
| 16:05.44 | DelphiWorld | SynrG: yes they do. but could i go back? |
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| 16:05.56 | joldy | you should include symbols for example jennifer<3123 |
| 16:05.59 | SynrG | DelphiWorld: can't guarantee success ... you could try ... |
| 16:06.09 | scoofy | and put it on a sticker on the screen. |
| 16:06.09 | joldy | or 23<jennifer<31 |
| 16:06.13 | joldy | yes |
| 16:06.16 | SynrG | DelphiWorld: generally, kernel changes come with new userspace that matches |
| 16:06.19 | scoofy | in case you forget it |
| 16:06.22 | DelphiWorld | SynrG: so just removing 3.16 could get me back to 3.2? |
| 16:06.24 | scoofy | human's memory is bad |
| 16:06.26 | joldy | yes |
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| 16:06.33 | joldy | but postit is forever |
| 16:06.48 | SynrG | DelphiWorld: do you still have it? did you check which 'linux-image*' kernels you have installed? |
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| 16:07.04 | SynrG | DelphiWorld: you could temporarily just change which kernel is selected via grub configuration |
| 16:07.08 | DelphiWorld | SynrG: yses, 3.2 is still installed |
| 16:07.16 | joldy | apt-get install linux-image* |
| 16:07.19 | joldy | then choose |
| 16:07.26 | DelphiWorld | SynrG: good idea, how to launch grub config? |
| 16:07.48 | DelphiWorld | joldy: where to chouse it in grub? |
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| 16:08.04 | SynrG | DelphiWorld: see GRUB_DEFAULT in /etc/default/grub. change it to whichever entry is yours, run update-grub |
| 16:08.08 | joldy | DelphiWorld: reboot and choose |
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| 16:09.10 | Chi0xaeh | what kernel command line parameters are required to configure a copy-on-write union backed by an nfs share on debian jessie? |
| 16:09.23 | superfast | no one helping me here |
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| 16:09.37 | DelphiWorld | SynrG: good job. i have grub default=0 |
| 16:09.38 | pbase | hello! I can try to help.. |
| 16:09.45 | superfast | no worries I would figure it all out by myself, I would become a real Debian Champ now |
| 16:09.55 | SynrG | DelphiWorld: yup. zero-based. just count until you find 3.2 |
| 16:10.12 | superfast | Like I use to manage Trisquel 7, the cloud war is on guys! I kid :P |
| 16:10.12 | DelphiWorld | so SynrG, i change to 1? |
| 16:10.25 | SynrG | DelphiWorld: they typically come in pairs. look at your actual config file |
| 16:10.39 | SynrG | DelphiWorld: that's /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
| 16:10.51 | SynrG | DelphiWorld: or you can run 'update-grub' now, and count |
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| 16:11.05 | Chi0xaeh | superfast, what was your question? |
| 16:11.07 | pbase | what is the main change in jessie from wheezy?? |
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| 16:11.10 | SynrG | you'll see each boot menu entry listed in order as it updates |
| 16:11.19 | DelphiWorld | SynrG: no, i'm editing /etc/default/grub, and i have GRUB_DEFAULT=0 |
| 16:11.52 | SynrG | DelphiWorld: yes, and i'm telling you that grub.cfg lists all the kernels, and you won't know the value of "N" for the correct kernel until you look |
| 16:12.12 | joldy | lol, be real man apt-get install linux-image* && reboot |
| 16:12.13 | SynrG | DelphiWorld: two ways to do that. 1) look at the file 2) run update-grub now and watch |
| 16:12.17 | DelphiWorld | SynrG: yeah..., but look where? |
| 16:12.19 | joldy | server will be there when it restarts |
| 16:12.32 | joldy | otherwise just login with hunter2 into root and fix it |
| 16:12.32 | SynrG | DelphiWorld: ... didn't i just say? :) |
| 16:12.42 | DelphiWorld | SynrG: hold on:P |
| 16:12.49 | SynrG | DelphiWorld: /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
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| 16:13.47 | SynrG | DelphiWorld: and of course a third way is to boot the system and count. obviously :) |
| 16:13.55 | SynrG | somewhat inconvenient, though |
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| 16:14.08 | DelphiWorld | SynrG, update-grub now dont give any count... i have 2 kernels |
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| 16:14.19 | joldy | only 2? |
| 16:14.25 | DelphiWorld | SynrG: issue is i'm remoting into it |
| 16:14.29 | joldy | whereas I have MORE THAN 2 |
| 16:14.32 | DelphiWorld | yes only 2 kernels |
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| 16:14.37 | SynrG | DelphiWorld: it doesn't "give a count". it lists lines. count them |
| 16:14.39 | DelphiWorld | i dont need more! |
| 16:14.54 | SynrG | as i said, they tend to come in pairs ... |
| 16:14.56 | joldy | that's not the point |
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| 16:15.01 | SynrG | one main entry, one "recovery" entry |
| 16:15.17 | SynrG | so the first kernel is 0, the second, 2, the third, 4, etc. |
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| 16:15.36 | SynrG | (and 1, 3, 5, ... are the recovery options) |
| 16:15.39 | DelphiWorld | SynrG: oh... got you now |
| 16:15.41 | joldy | you want to choose the 3.<highest number> |
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| 16:15.46 | joldy | for latest hardware support |
| 16:15.58 | joldy | or use a smaller number for compatibility |
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| 16:16.14 | DelphiWorld | SynrG: ok so mine is 0, i'lle go to 2 |
| 16:16.31 | joldy | and you should keep as many as possible if it is a production server because kernels are small and compatibility issues are unpredictable |
| 16:16.42 | SynrG | DelphiWorld: yup. if you've confirmed by inspection of boot.cfg that's the correct kernel (or by watching the output of update-grub, as i said) |
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| 16:16.53 | SynrG | counting them starting at zero |
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| 16:34.20 | shay_shay | hi |
| 16:35.23 | scoofy | hi |
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| 16:36.06 | hiexpo | is this a hi channel? |
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| 16:36.20 | hiexpo | :/ |
| 16:36.23 | mokuhon | hi |
| 16:36.42 | SynrG | #debian-offtopic is ........ -----> thataway |
| 16:36.48 | hiexpo | hi shay_shay |
| 16:37.13 | hiexpo | lol |
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| 16:37.42 | shay_shay | not a hi channel, I'm a rebel. |
| 16:38.00 | h73 | Anyone knows any proccess tree packages like ubuntus pstree command? |
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| 16:38.14 | DelphiWorld | SynrG: sadly, i put it to 2 but still booting into 3.16 |
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| 16:39.29 | AvocetVIS | h73 pstree seems to come by default in wheezy |
| 16:39.34 | AvocetVIS | der, nvmd |
| 16:39.56 | shay_shay | h73 pstree is in psmisc package |
| 16:39.58 | mtn | DelphiWorld: you should be able to choose which kernel to boot when you see the grub menu at boot time |
| 16:40.10 | boodie | Hi, has anybody tried to upgrade from wheezy to jessie with success? |
| 16:40.14 | DelphiWorld | SynrG: i'm remoting into it using ssh... |
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| 16:40.44 | shay_shay | boodie: yes thousands have already |
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| 16:41.16 | nudoge | Hey guies/gals. I am trying to remove ACL on a file using the command "setfacl -x u:user /home/user/file" and I keep getting an error on my -x flag. Anyone can help me undserstand what I am doing wrong? On Debian/Jessie |
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| 16:42.08 | mtn | DelphiWorld: then perhaps you chose the wrong number of kernel? they start at 0, not 1 |
| 16:42.30 | DelphiWorld | yes, so 0 >> 2 |
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| 16:42.52 | mtn | DelphiWorld: no, 0 would be the first kernel, so 1, would be the second kernel |
| 16:42.55 | guy512 | Hi, I got a package which always wants to remove mariadb-server and install mysql-server. How to tell apt that mariadb is alternative to mysql-server? Debian jessy |
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| 16:44.03 | SynrGy | mtn: ? |
| 16:44.15 | SynrGy | mtn: were you here for the part where i mentioned about the recovery options? |
| 16:44.29 | SynrGy | anyway, DelphiWorld, did you update-grub afterwards? that was part of my instructions |
| 16:44.30 | mtn | SynrGy: probably missed it, did I tell him something wrong? |
| 16:44.45 | SynrGy | 0 is the first, 1 is the first (recovery), 2 is the second, etc. |
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| 16:45.01 | SynrGy | he has 3.16 and 3.2. if 3.2 is the second, he wants 2 |
| 16:45.04 | SynrGy | but he must update-grub |
| 16:45.14 | DelphiWorld | SynrG: i updated grub:) |
| 16:45.33 | SynrGy | and did you notice which kernels were listed when you did? |
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| 16:45.52 | SynrGy | was 3.2 really third? (2nd, zero-based)? |
| 16:46.26 | Guest94305 | I'm struggling since yesterday with my installation trying to find a solution but I didn't find yet |
| 16:46.31 | SynrGy | oh, there's another way it could've gone wrong ... |
| 16:46.58 | DelphiWorld | no, but default was 0 |
| 16:47.02 | DelphiWorld | and was 3.16 |
| 16:47.05 | SynrGy | DelphiWorld: do you have kexec-tools installed? if so, 'reboot' reboots the current kernel, i think |
| 16:47.07 | Guest94305 | I have installed Debian 8 and I can't boot it. |
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| 16:48.30 | hiexpo | why |
| 16:48.48 | Guest94305 | I only can do it on advanced mode |
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| 16:48.57 | hiexpo | Guest94305, |
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| 16:49.50 | Guest94305 | hiexpo: good question I don't know I'm here to see whether you guys can help me out. |
| 16:50.35 | hiexpo | Guest94305, fresh install? |
| 16:51.50 | Guest94305 | hiexpo:loading, please wait...; fsck from until - linux 2.25.2; /dev/sda1: clean <bunch of numbers> files <bunch of numbers> |
| 16:52.13 | Guest94305 | hiexpo:yes it is a fresh installation. |
| 16:52.46 | DelphiWorld | kexec-tools |
| 16:52.56 | DelphiWorld | is default in wheezy? |
| 16:53.10 | boodie | Hi: is there a tool that scans my hardware soecs (e.g. motherboard, vga board, etc) and then can print the result? |
| 16:53.32 | ryouma | lshw is one |
| 16:53.34 | SynrGy | no |
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| 16:53.48 | ChrisH | boodie: what should be "the result"? |
| 16:54.00 | boodie | a txt file? |
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| 16:54.32 | Guest94305 | hiexpo:have you got any idea about what's going on, if you do can you help me out, please ? |
| 16:54.35 | ChrisH | boodie: what content? vondor IDs or health status or color of resistors? |
| 16:54.46 | SynrGy | DelphiWorld: i don't believe kexec-tools ever was default in wheezy. however, there may have been some live images that had that installed by default. and if you ran the installer from one of those, you might end up with kexec-tools installed. in any case, just check if that package exists on your system or not |
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| 16:55.02 | superfast | which media codecs do you use? |
| 16:55.04 | DelphiWorld | SynrG: no, i dont have kexec-tools |
| 16:55.05 | boodie | vendor IDs, model |
| 16:55.34 | SynrGy | then i don't understand why you ended up rebooting to the wrong kernel :/ |
| 16:55.45 | ChrisH | boodie: as mentioned before: lshw -short ; dmidecode (check man page for details) |
| 16:55.49 | SynrGy | can you put the output of 'update-grub' at paste.debian.net, please? |
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| 16:56.15 | boodie | In other words, I'm considering upgrading my desktop and then installing jessie, instead of upgrading |
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| 16:58.40 | DelphiWorld | SynrG: strange. still see it to 3.16 |
| 16:59.49 | SynrGy | DelphiWorld: URL to your paste? |
| 16:59.58 | DelphiWorld | SynrG: hold on |
| 17:01.31 | Fjorgynn | I installed Chromium in Debian but when I use the scroll wheel it clicks |
| 17:01.37 | Fjorgynn | and right click os also click |
| 17:01.38 | Fjorgynn | why? |
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| 17:02.30 | rtur | Fjorgynn: Most likely your coworker rewired the mouse |
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| 17:03.11 | Fjorgynn | rtur: no it's a new installation |
| 17:03.22 | Fjorgynn | Debian 8 mate |
| 17:03.23 | ChrisH | Fjorgynn: did you accidently press the wheel? It is still the middle-mouse-button. |
| 17:03.43 | Fjorgynn | ChrisH: nope, scrolling up and down with the wheel uses the backspace |
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| 17:03.50 | Fjorgynn | right click is left click |
| 17:04.10 | blackflow | that's some serious zen right there! |
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| 17:04.27 | ChrisH | Fjorgynn: only in chromium? Must be in all windows the same (from my experience) |
| 17:04.32 | Fjorgynn | works in iceweasel |
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| 17:05.14 | Fjorgynn | even the html5 youtube player works in iceweasel |
| 17:05.33 | Fjorgynn | not flash tought |
| 17:06.28 | Fjorgynn | ChrisH: it is some problem with chromium |
| 17:06.29 | rootkea | When I say `$ sudo apt-get update` It says "Err http://security.debian.org jessie/updates Release.gpg Could not resolve 'security.debian.org' Err http://ftp.us.debian.org jessie Release.gpg Could not resolve 'ftp.us.debian.org' ..." |
| 17:07.04 | rootkea | And here is my /etc/sudoers http://paste.debian.net/170812 |
| 17:07.19 | rootkea | Any pointers why sudo not carrying the environment when I have already added `Defaults env_keep += "ftp_proxy http_proxy https_proxy no_proxy"` to /etc/sudoers ? |
| 17:07.26 | rootkea | When I say `# apt-get update` it fetches the package info (proxy works) Here is my /etc/environment http://paste.debian.net/170811 |
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| 17:08.24 | rootkea | BTW I am using Jessie+xfxe and have added my normal user to sudo group as `# adduser rootkea sudo` |
| 17:08.47 | rootkea | *xfce |
| 17:09.00 | Fjorgynn | Chromium 42 |
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| 17:10.30 | rtur | Fjorgynn: Try to run chromium with "--disable-extensions" and check if it works then |
| 17:10.39 | issue_ | http://paste.debian.net/170827/ |
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| 17:10.39 | at0m | rootkea: try fixing resolv first. ping -c1 security.debian.org or nslookup security.debian.org |
| 17:10.49 | DelphiWorld | guys! no more wheezy? removed? |
| 17:11.08 | issue_ | anobody knows how to solve it kick me out from here isn't polite and doens't make any better... |
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| 17:11.44 | hiexpo | lool |
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| 17:12.07 | DelphiWorld | need wheezy iso but look removed |
| 17:12.19 | Fjorgynn | rtur: negative |
| 17:12.49 | rootkea | at0m, I am using so proxy so `ping` saya "ping: unknown host security.debian.org" and |
| 17:13.03 | at0m | oh |
| 17:13.12 | rootkea | `nslookup` says ";; connection timed out; no servers could be reached" |
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| 17:14.05 | rtur | Fjorgynn: install x11-utils and run xev to see whether your mouse buttons events are alright. |
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| 17:14.40 | Fjorgynn | rtur: but it works fine in Iceweasel |
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| 17:15.44 | Fjorgynn | it's just a vm to test jessie, but I just wondered if someone have experienced that problem before |
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| 17:16.13 | rtur | Fjorgynn: And I'm no chromium developper :P, just to make sure X recognizes your mouse properly. (when you started chrome with --disable-extensions it was completely shut down before right ? ) |
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| 17:17.00 | rtur | issue_: What's the actual problem ? |
| 17:17.02 | issue_ | Jessie was realised with bugs W |
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| 17:17.16 | issue_ | ? |
| 17:17.30 | sfjsjsjf | sbdghjsoasrfkjchnbgdksfdgxcbxhgsuirawksmcnxvhduietw4oerakwsd<hzcxvuidfgkremrasdz |
| 17:17.34 | sfjsjsjf | why are the repo's down. |
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| 17:17.46 | at0m | rootkea: maybe sudo doesn't forward the proxy env? sudo env |
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| 17:17.47 | sfjsjsjf | ftp3.nrc.ca just times out. |
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| 17:18.24 | jelly | !tell sfjsjsjf about hdn |
| 17:18.34 | at0m | rootkea: if it doesn't, sudo su then export proxies again and update |
| 17:18.34 | rtur | issue_: No, it's actually the only piece of software which was certified bug-free. |
| 17:18.41 | sfjsjsjf | hdn? |
| 17:19.11 | jelly | sfjsjsjf: you got a private message from dpkg bot. |
| 17:19.17 | issue_ | rtur: so what's going on the .. why I can't put a fresh copy on my desk |
| 17:19.47 | sfjsjsjf | yes |
| 17:19.53 | sfjsjsjf | jelly: those are my close servers. |
| 17:20.06 | rtur | issue_: So you are trying to install jessie and it hangs with the output you posted ? At which point does it happen ? |
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| 17:20.55 | issue_ | rtur: at the end of the installation... |
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| 17:21.10 | jelly | sfjsjsjf: http.debian.net will also choose a close mirror for you. |
| 17:21.11 | issue_ | rtur: I still can boot on advanced mode... |
| 17:21.14 | sfjsjsjf | Hurray the nrc mirrors are dead... |
| 17:21.20 | hiexpo | at install grub |
| 17:21.23 | rootkea | at0m, It doesn't. That's the problem. I am asking why as I have follwed the recommended way of env_keep in /etc/sudoers https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Sudo#Environment_variables_.28Outdated.3F.29 |
| 17:21.39 | at0m | idk then |
| 17:21.53 | rootkea | "The recommended way of preserving environment variables is to append them to env_keep: /etc/sudoers Defaults env_keep += "ftp_proxy http_proxy https_proxy no_proxy"" |
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| 17:21.55 | jelly | sfjsjsjf: try using it and see how it works out for you |
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| 17:22.26 | pablo_ | hello guys, where can I find the default debian templates for the /etc/passwd and /etc/group? |
| 17:22.59 | issue_ | hiexpo: I was able to run the entire installation...if is that your question... |
| 17:23.16 | rtur | issue_: after the restart (You can now remove the disk and .. )? Advanced mode ? You mean recovery mode ? |
| 17:23.37 | teraflop | issue_: i had the same issue a couple of times in jessie (grub installation failed) so i ended picking the continue without installing grub, chrooted and installed grub by hand |
| 17:23.38 | sfjsjsjf | jelly: so far so good |
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| 17:24.20 | rtur | teraflop: If it would be grub he wouldn't be able to boot with the recovery image. |
| 17:24.25 | issue_ | rtur: yep recovery mode. |
| 17:24.55 | sfjsjsjf | I'm glad I didn't install debian on my desktop today. |
| 17:25.10 | teraflop | rtur: unless yuu boot the recovery from the iso itself |
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| 17:25.12 | sfjsjsjf | with the local repo's I normally use offline I'd be SOL |
| 17:25.13 | teraflop | you* |
| 17:25.29 | issue_ | teraflop: so run the entire installation and skip grup and do it afterwards...? |
| 17:25.53 | sfjsjsjf | issue_: grub didn't install? |
| 17:26.16 | superfast | is samba and samba-client both required for sharing and accessing files? |
| 17:26.19 | jelly | pablo_: /usr/share/base-passwd I think |
| 17:26.23 | rtur | issue_: No, if you are in recovery (cd/usb with debian on it isn't inserted/attached) you can install grub from there. |
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| 17:26.38 | issue_ | sfjsjf: yes. |
| 17:26.52 | hiexpo | you removed the disk/usb |
| 17:26.52 | sfjsjsjf | I'm trying to remember. |
| 17:26.55 | teraflop | issue_: that's what I did, grub denied to install, in my case i skip the grub installation and let it to finish. then I chrooted, installed grub, update-grub and it worked flawlessly |
| 17:27.06 | sfjsjsjf | To install grub on a drive you just have to chroot to the target drive and it's grub-install |
| 17:27.08 | sfjsjsjf | right? |
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| 17:27.13 | issue_ | hiexpo: yes I removed everything.. |
| 17:27.19 | hiexpo | bad |
| 17:27.26 | hiexpo | redo |
| 17:27.31 | sfjsjsjf | if you want bad my mysql password is password |
| 17:27.32 | blackflow | sfjsjsjf: chroot to the target environment with target mounts |
| 17:27.34 | sfjsjsjf | for the root account |
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| 17:27.56 | sfjsjsjf | plz don't hurt me. |
| 17:28.12 | sfjsjsjf | I'm working on a search engine. |
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| 17:28.57 | hiexpo | let it boot by itself do not removr |
| 17:29.24 | superfast | any one using samba? |
| 17:29.26 | issue_ | teraflop: so you'd had the same problem then ? |
| 17:30.05 | teraflop | issue_: yep, in my case the installer thought i was using uefi (I dont know why) |
| 17:30.36 | pablo_ | jelly: thanks |
| 17:30.37 | hiexpo | issue_, just redo it |
| 17:30.49 | shay_shay | teraflop: perhaps you booted the installer with uefi? |
| 17:30.57 | teraflop | shay_shay: no |
| 17:31.03 | pablo_ | jelly: any group >100 that is not in use can be removed? I want to do a cleanup. what do you recommend? |
| 17:31.26 | teraflop | shay_shay: no uefi capable machine so no uefi |
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| 17:34.12 | shay_shay | teraflop: it probally checks for the presence of /sys/firmware/efi when it decides how to treat the system for partitioning and bootloader installation |
| 17:34.14 | jelly | pablo_: if you figure out what exactly "not in use" means, then sure |
| 17:34.37 | shay_shay | or some other similar conditional |
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| 17:35.30 | jelly | pablo_: packages may dynamically create their own users and groups for services in 100-200 range |
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| 17:36.09 | teraflop | shay_shay: i really dont know why, i had to remove grub-efi and install grup-legacy/pc i cant remember now, there is no trace of any uefi .efi EFI whatever in that machine im sure about that |
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| 17:38.49 | teraflop | shay_shay: ive installed several times on several machines with no issue, i just got that issue in a couple of machines, i can live with that, its ok for me |
| 17:39.16 | shay_shay | i was just curious :) |
| 17:39.20 | teraflop | yeah |
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| 17:50.16 | joldy | For a limited time of 4 minutes I will answer all technical support questions asked of me to the best of my considerable abilities |
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| 17:51.58 | joldy | abilities honed by discipline, instilled by unnecessary cashflow and shared foolishly on the IRC! |
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| 17:52.14 | mtn | tick, tick, tick |
| 17:52.36 | joldy | yeah, can you believe this crowd? |
| 17:52.54 | joldy | 1 minute! |
| 17:53.03 | roberth1990 | what backendstuff do the powermanagement in kde need? it fails to start because it is complaining about lack backend plugins |
| 17:54.29 | roberth1990 | https://bpaste.net/raw/6f02bffd0b36 |
| 17:54.31 | joldy | damn the google searching takes more than 4 minutes |
| 17:55.54 | joldy | but even now I, joldy of the IRC, true to my word google it for you! |
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| 17:56.40 | jelly | joldy: ##jokesters are over there --> |
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| 17:57.58 | A|an | Why does gcc not update when update-upgrade is done? |
| 17:58.04 | pablo_ | jelly: if no file in the system has that group, then it is probably not in use, isn't it? |
| 17:58.11 | joldy | jelly: you underestimate the power that is my awesomeness |
| 17:58.28 | A|an | I have, like, gcc 7.4 and the current version is 8.whatever. |
| 17:58.29 | joldy | roberth1990: what is the output of ps -e | grep upower? |
| 17:58.45 | jelly | pablo_: possibly, but it might be used by some service even if nothing's present on the filesystem |
| 17:59.00 | roberth1990 | joldy: none, guess I need upower then? |
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| 17:59.21 | joldy | yes |
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| 17:59.56 | jelly | A|an: do you have an exact package name you're seeing issues with? |
| 17:59.57 | joldy | if that doesn't work you can install powertop and pm-utils and manually run pm-powersave true in background |
| 18:00.06 | joldy | jelly: behold the brilliance of my copy-paste |
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| 18:00.54 | roberth1990 | joldy: it worked great, thanks |
| 18:01.59 | A|an | acutally, the installed gcc version is 4.7.2 and the latest is 5.1... |
| 18:02.24 | jelly | A|an: which package does the gcc binary belong to? |
| 18:02.28 | A|an | jelly: no, i'm just curious why it doesn't update to the latest version...when I update the system |
| 18:02.47 | towo_nb | because debian is stable? |
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| 18:02.58 | A|an | I don't think i understand what you're getting at...I thought it was standalone |
| 18:03.10 | towo_nb | there never will come new versions |
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| 18:03.22 | jelly | A|an: two reasons: first, a Debian release does not get newer versions of software during its lifetime, only critical and security fixed |
| 18:03.24 | A|an | when I do gcc --version the result is 4.7.2 |
| 18:03.34 | A|an | oh |
| 18:03.42 | A|an | ic |
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| 18:04.03 | A|an | well, that's the answer...i'll have to update "by hand" |
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| 18:04.31 | A|an | if i decide that it's worth it |
| 18:04.45 | A|an | (probably isn't) |
| 18:05.01 | pablo_ | jelly: shouldn't that service be in that group? |
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| 18:06.19 | A|an | I'm running wheezy 7.8 |
| 18:06.38 | jelly | ,v gcc |
| 18:06.39 | judd | Package: gcc on amd64 -- squeeze: 4:4.4.5-1; wheezy: 4:4.7.2-1; stretch: 4:4.9.2-2; jessie: 4:4.9.2-2; sid: 4:4.9.2-3; experimental: 4:5-3 |
| 18:07.49 | jelly | A|an: Debian 7 release will always have that version. Debian 8 release will always have 4.9.2. |
| 18:07.52 | tmh1999 | Hi guys, I have a problem and I hope some one here could help me :D I am using Debian Jessie with both gcc4.9 and gcc4.8 installed by default. I am installing CUDA using Nvidia's RUN file which require gcc4.8 (the same gcc verision that compile the kernel). Can I remove gcc4.9? Or I just update the link /usr/bin/gcc to point to gcc4.8? |
| 18:08.05 | A|an | jelly: okay, i understand |
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| 18:08.47 | nudoge | tmh1999: the user does have :/sbin: in its $PATH |
| 18:08.49 | jelly | tmh1999: do not do either, use environment variables like CC to tune which gcc gets used in your build process |
| 18:08.52 | A|an | (I was dl'ing gcc documentation and noticed that there were several versions ahead of the one i have installed, is all...it's not a big deal; i was just cursious( |
| 18:08.59 | nudoge | doesn |
| 18:09.03 | nudoge | 't |
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| 18:09.54 | jelly | tmh1999: or better, use debian's packaging of cuda instead of Nvidia's installer |
| 18:09.59 | jelly | ,v nvidia-cuda-toolkit |
| 18:09.59 | A|an | jelly: thanks for the insight |
| 18:10.00 | judd | Package: nvidia-cuda-toolkit on amd64 -- squeeze-backports/non-free: 4.2.9-1~bpo60+2; wheezy/non-free: 4.2.9-2; wheezy-backports/non-free: 5.5.22-6~bpo70+2; sid/non-free: 6.0.37-5; stretch/non-free: 6.0.37-5; jessie/non-free: 6.0.37-5; experimental/non-free: 6.5.14-1 |
| 18:10.37 | joldy | Even now I am compiling an awesome patch that will either permanently solve the mem leaks or crash this system |
| 18:10.59 | tmh1999 | nudoge : I am sorry I don't get what you mean. Can you explain more? |
| 18:11.33 | tmh1999 | jelly : Actually I need CUDA 7 for some of its feature. Debian's package is now at 6.0 and 6.5 experimental... |
| 18:12.06 | tmh1999 | jelly, nudoge : Oh it seem setting the CC variable work. It's strange, last time it didn't ... |
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| 18:16.28 | anddam | I have the volume lxde plugin, when I change the pulseaudio config switching from headphones to hdmi speakers the volume in lxpanel stay tied to the previous audio sink (that doesn't exist anymore) |
| 18:16.41 | anddam | is there a way to "refresh" it without removing and adding it back? |
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| 18:21.04 | tuxcrafter | http://paste.debian.net/170852/ < i got a hanging/failing boot on some LSB job and I made a persistent /var/log/journal/ but I cant find any information about the system attemting to boot, how do i debug this debian 8 system |
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| 18:26.07 | Isai | Hi, what is the package name for geoip on Jessie? I tried installing a package named geoip but it said it couldn't find the package |
| 18:27.20 | phix | what you going to do with that geoip package? |
| 18:27.37 | Nik05 | Isai its called geoip-bin and geoip-database |
| 18:28.32 | Isai | Thanks |
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| 18:28.56 | Isai | phix: I was going to use it for my IRC network |
| 18:29.00 | phix | ah |
| 18:29.06 | phix | what's wrong with freenode?? |
| 18:29.16 | Tigryss | hi i got some trouble with gnome |
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| 18:29.26 | Isai | nothing but I just want to make a new network |
| 18:29.27 | Isai | heh |
| 18:29.45 | Tigryss | debian Jessie |
| 18:29.51 | issue_ | phix: As far as I know nothing I'm using it. |
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| 18:30.12 | Tigryss | i cant change the start task bar |
| 18:30.23 | Nik05 | Isai there is also a search function ;) apt-cache search geoip or aptitude search geoip |
| 18:30.45 | Isai | I forgot about that :) |
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| 18:34.41 | teraflop | tuxcrafter: perhaps this will help https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Boot_debugging |
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| 18:40.21 | roberth1990 | you know what is infuriating? that facebook wont work properly with any sans fonts... |
| 18:40.33 | Parabola | i'm only able to boot my install if i go into recovery, select the GRUB option, then continue boot, if i boot regular i get an mdadm loop |
| 18:40.40 | Parabola | anyone seen this before? |
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| 18:42.46 | phix | roberth1990: That is a good thing |
| 18:43.22 | roberth1990 | phix: why? |
| 18:43.29 | phix | cause facebook is shit |
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| 18:43.51 | jelly | Parabola: do you have any nested md arrays? |
| 18:43.57 | roberth1990 | well the problem is that normal people jumps to the conclusion that debian/linux is shit |
| 18:44.06 | phix | roberth1990: I don't care about your cat |
| 18:44.20 | jelly | roberth1990: and both conclusions are true! |
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| 18:44.34 | centrx | http://www.webmastergrade.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/Cat-with-Hat.jpg |
| 18:44.52 | Parabola | jelly: yep, fakeraid, dual boot |
| 18:44.59 | roberth1990 | phix: I dont really use facebook |
| 18:45.07 | jelly | oh, fakeraid, I avoid that. |
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| 18:45.10 | phix | roberth1990: so you don't have a cat? |
| 18:45.18 | roberth1990 | phix: no |
| 18:45.20 | Parabola | windows boots without issue, linux not so much :) i figured there would be some command i could run to rebuild the list of arrays or something |
| 18:45.24 | teraflop | lolfakeraid |
| 18:45.27 | phix | That is the only reason to use facebook |
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| 18:46.05 | Parabola | jelly, pretend its not fakeraid, i can modify instruction or documentation to fit my case, i just need to know what changes specifically the grub option of recovery is making for that boot, and change the config files to match |
| 18:46.07 | jelly | phix, roberth1990: unless there's an actual question hiding somewhere, this is probably better suited for your private conversation or #debian-offtopic |
| 18:46.59 | roberth1990 | well I was weeding for any sollution to this, so every time I need facebook it can work proplerly |
| 18:47.03 | jelly | Parabola: I don't have a lot of experience making md properly deal with fakeraid metadata (I assume intel rst?) |
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| 18:47.26 | Parabola | jelly: i'm honestly not sure, let me see if i can find out :) |
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| 18:47.53 | jelly | Parabola: what does your mdadm.conf look like? Was initrd built after you added the relevant arrays there? |
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| 18:48.11 | Parabola | jelly: lspci says intel corp sata controller |
| 18:48.28 | Parabola | not sure on seeing further info. and i didnt know there was an mdadm conf :) let me find it and see |
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| 18:48.56 | Parabola | okay, i have the config open, its not exactly helpful |
| 18:49.03 | Parabola | let me pastebin this, one moment |
| 18:49.14 | teraflop | roberth1990: i do font substitution via fontconfig http://a.pomf.se/acyjyy.png |
| 18:49.15 | Parabola | its using UUIDs |
| 18:49.27 | jelly | Parabola: the idea is to put ARRAY lines in for arrays that need to be brought up (at boot) |
| 18:49.56 | Parabola | jelly: http://pastebin.com/00PKyWHR |
| 18:50.31 | Parabola | from a quick google, looks like mdam --examine can write a conf? |
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| 18:51.19 | jelly | mdadm --examine --scan, yes |
| 18:51.29 | wh0isthis | hi |
| 18:51.30 | tuxcrafter | teraflop: thx will look at is |
| 18:51.31 | wh0isthis | ** (firefox:3596): CRITICAL **: gst_app_src_set_size: assertion `GST_IS_APP_SRC (appsrc)' failed |
| 18:51.34 | wh0isthis | what is this? |
| 18:52.04 | jelly | Parabola: /usr/share/mdadm/mkconf in Debian does that |
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| 18:52.25 | Parabola | awesome thank you |
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| 18:53.02 | Parabola | hm, output from the examine and scan looks to be the same that was already in the file |
| 18:53.24 | jelly | Parabola: if you do a "dpkg-reconfigure mdadm" it will ask you which ARRAYs are required for boot and try to bring them up inside initramfs |
| 18:54.04 | Parabola | this is looking promising |
| 18:54.07 | jelly | quite possible you're hitting some corner case what with not using linux-only md metadata format |
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| 18:55.04 | Parabola | so i ran that, it found linux images, and windows, updated the initramfs, but my mdadm.conf does not appear to have changed |
| 18:55.27 | Parabola | yeah, diff verified, they are the same still, is that an issue? |
| 18:55.29 | jelly | no, but it may have been put into the initramfs image now |
| 18:55.40 | Parabola | sweet :) rebooting! #yolo #kony2102 |
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| 18:57.09 | Parabola | hm, so thats a neat issue, did reboot, screens went black, still powered, doesn't appear to be powering down |
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| 18:59.10 | tmh1999 | jelly : Can I ask you a question related to Debian and CUDA ? |
| 18:59.36 | Parabola | hm, didnt work jelly :( still looping on "incrementally started raid arrays" |
| 18:59.53 | jelly | tmh1999: sure, but I know very little about cuda |
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| 19:00.48 | jelly | Parabola: did you tell "dpkg-reconfigure mdadm" you wanted /dev/md/Raid5 to be brought up at boot? |
| 19:01.04 | Parabola | it didnt't prompt me for which should or should not be brought up |
| 19:01.10 | jelly | hm |
| 19:01.12 | Parabola | it just found my two os's and then finished |
| 19:01.41 | jelly | Parabola: try dpkg-reconfigure -plow mdadm |
| 19:02.16 | Parabola | plow, that sounds hot |
| 19:03.02 | jelly | priority low to ask even the less important questions |
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| 19:03.20 | tmh1999 | jelly : I successfully installed CUDA ( did some example code). I think the problem I have is more likely of Nvidia driver and Xorg. I have black screen at boot, still can login with other tty. I tried (1) run #nvidia-xconfig to generate /etc/X11/xorg.conf and use (2) my Ubuntu14.04's /etc/X11/xorg.conf, both didn't work. |
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| 19:04.10 | jelly | tmh1999: are you using nvidia drivers or nouveau? |
| 19:04.39 | jelly | !nvidia dkms |
| 19:04.39 | dpkg | For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. |
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| 19:04.57 | jelly | ^^ how to get nvidia driver working |
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| 19:05.49 | tmh1999 | jelly : I am using nvidia drivers, already disabled nouveau. |
| 19:05.52 | Parabola | jelly: still didn't prompt, if it helps i can pastebin the output from the command, no errors |
| 19:06.28 | Parabola | jelly: found linux image : /boot/vmlinuz..blah blah // found initrd image: /boot.blahblah // found windows 8 (loader) on /dev/md126p1 (interesting that it isnt /dev/mapper) |
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| 19:06.43 | tmh1999 | jelly : I am trying to create /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf |
| 19:06.46 | jelly | Parabola: weird |
| 19:07.36 | jelly | Parabola: md isn't dev-mapper based |
| 19:07.51 | Parabola | ah okay |
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| 19:08.43 | jelly | I don't know how to tell mdadm to name the array device properly when it's imsm, it ought to be /dev/md/Raid5 not /dev/md126 |
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| 19:09.53 | Parabola | so in my mdadm.conf file i have /dev/md/imsm0 and another array entry for /dev/md/Raid5 with container=/dev/md/imsm0 |
| 19:11.15 | Parabola | jelly: does it matter that my /etc/fstab appears to point at /dev/mapper/isw..... |
| 19:12.56 | tmh1999 | jelly : I am afraid installing nvidia-kernel-dkms will install Debian's non-free Nvidia driver, thus overriding Nvidia's official driver(which I installed along with CUDA). I think have 2 directions to go. (1) contact the Debian's developer of CUDA package to ask his opinion or (2) uninstall Nvidia's official driver(maybe CUDA too) then try to install Debian's provided driver(then install CUDA only). What do you think ? |
| 19:14.29 | jelly | tmh1999: that sounds about right. I expected you'd have something like (2) driver installed via packages, and only latest CUDA from nvidia's installer |
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| 19:15.13 | Parabola | i've only had to support and mess with CUDA on centOS so my opinion may not matter, but i would imagine you'd have the best luck with the latter |
| 19:15.45 | jelly | Parabola: dunno, pastebin your grep -v ^# mdadm.conf and fstab, and output of "df" and "lsblk" for good measure |
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| 19:18.08 | tmh1999 | jelly : I will give it a try. Didn't get that if you didn't mention nvidia-kernel-dkms ;) |
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| 19:19.23 | Parabola | jelly: doing that now :) |
| 19:19.46 | Parabola | jelly: http://pastebin.com/KQCKfz9W |
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| 19:20.12 | Parabola | rofl |
| 19:20.24 | Parabola | only thing worse than a honeypot is a french one, amirite? |
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| 19:21.00 | tmh1999 | Parabola : Don't know why Nvidia doesn't officially support Debian, but Ubuntu. |
| 19:21.18 | debian-5181 | Hi, how to restart samba on debian jessie? Always says not masked... Also restarting apache2 does not show up messages like [ok] .. is that from that systemd things? |
| 19:21.47 | Parabola | tmh1999: yeah, not sure either, i worked for a university for a while as a sys admin, and one of the High perf computing labs had cuda stuff setup, but it was all RHEL / centos |
| 19:22.04 | Parabola | so the only issues that arose were the students breaking configs |
| 19:22.32 | jelly | Parabola: I don't know where the discrepancy between fstab devices and actual devices used for mounts comes from. |
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| 19:22.58 | jelly | Parabola: ask in ##linux-raid, maybe they have a clue |
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| 19:24.12 | DingoSaar | Q: is there a way to ensure that services (eg. MariaDB, PostgreSQL) restart automatically after crashing? |
| 19:24.24 | ra73 | why in the world does gnome-terminal require wpasupplicant and a ton of other packages ?! |
| 19:24.29 | centrx | DingoSaar, They already do by default |
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| 19:24.48 | DingoSaar | :-( PostgreSQL keeps down. |
| 19:25.01 | centrx | ra73, Because GNOME is a giant monstrosity |
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| 19:25.52 | ra73 | centrx: but still, its a terminal emulator not the entire desktop :p |
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| 19:26.34 | centrx | ra73, right, it depends on other Gnome packages, and they in turn depend on the rest of Gnome, which depends on wpasupplicant |
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| 19:28.19 | valdyn | ra73: it does not |
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| 19:29.10 | Parabola | jelly: i've asked, shall see if someone responds :) thanks for your help |
| 19:29.16 | Parabola | if you have any other crazy ideas i'm all ears |
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| 19:30.32 | ra73 | valdyn: https://imgur.com/lqyk22h |
| 19:31.17 | valdyn | ra73: thats --with-recommends or a stupid pacakge resolver or upgrades included or uh |
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| 19:31.58 | valdyn | ra73: it does not depend on wpasupplicant, neither directly nor indirectly |
| 19:32.19 | pythonsnake | hi |
| 19:32.26 | pythonsnake | how can I apply regex recursively in a dir? |
| 19:32.34 | pythonsnake | without sed/with positive lookahead |
| 19:33.10 | valdyn | ra73: and not on yelp either, this stuff is not installed because its dependency |
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| 19:33.51 | shay_shay | is there a way i can print the contents of a function to the terminal |
| 19:34.15 | Parabola | what do you mean the content |
| 19:34.18 | shay_shay | the code |
| 19:34.27 | Parabola | thats a horribly worded question |
| 19:34.30 | shay_shay | i want to see what it does |
| 19:34.30 | Parabola | add about 300% more detail |
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| 19:34.32 | shay_shay | the contents |
| 19:34.40 | shay_shay | everything inside the curly braces |
| 19:35.00 | Parabola | when you ask an actual question with some deets. i'll be glad to help, not going to fight you to pull it out of you |
| 19:35.11 | shay_shay | well that was pretty concice |
| 19:35.28 | Parabola | for someone with a complete lack of understanding of what they're doing yes |
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| 19:35.59 | Parabola | if its an interpreted language, say bash, just open the god damn file and look at it |
| 19:36.02 | ra73 | valdyn: ah gotcha --no-install-recommends fixed it :p |
| 19:36.04 | shay_shay | there are no other contents. name one example of something which would fall under that category |
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| 19:36.14 | robalni | shay_shay: if you mean a bash function, try the "type" command |
| 19:36.22 | Parabola | vi $scriptname |
| 19:36.24 | Parabola | there you go |
| 19:36.52 | Parabola | shell scripts are plain text, if someone created a function in there, its right there, just read it |
| 19:37.10 | shay_shay | Parabola: in this example I dont know what script it came from. of course i could search all the files in my home directory for a key word |
| 19:37.26 | shay_shay | Parabola: but i was wondering if theres a way to just show the function from bash |
| 19:37.41 | shay_shay | or the path to the file responsible |
| 19:37.55 | shay_shay | ohh |
| 19:37.57 | shay_shay | which |
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| 19:38.02 | shay_shay | showed the contents |
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| 19:38.08 | valdyn | shay_shay: this is totally confusing, just give your concrete example |
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| 19:38.17 | Parabola | good luck with that. |
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| 19:38.26 | shay_shay | https://gist.github.com/shawnbon206/373679b2360df2bb5f44 |
| 19:38.31 | shay_shay | example^ |
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| 19:39.35 | valdyn | but which already does something else |
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| 19:39.55 | shay_shay | valdyn: i just pasted what happened when i used which on a function |
| 19:40.10 | shay_shay | try it |
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| 19:40.58 | valdyn | shay_shay: "man which", "which - locate a command" |
| 19:41.04 | valdyn | shay_shay: dont know what you are talking about |
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| 19:41.35 | valdyn | this is not bash i guess |
| 19:42.23 | shay_shay | oh, sorry. zsh's which does that. is there a similar thing for bash? |
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| 19:42.52 | Parabola | jelly: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mdadm/+bug/1335642 <-- look what i found |
| 19:42.57 | robalni | shay_shay: "type" |
| 19:43.35 | valdyn | shay_shay: i dont think zsh knows where the function was defined |
| 19:44.42 | Parabola | why should it |
| 19:44.54 | shay_shay | robalni: you're right, thank you |
| 19:45.13 | Parabola | you know the function name? "grep -nri "$string" /" |
| 19:45.14 | Parabola | grab lunch |
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| 19:46.38 | shay_shay | tab complete while in bash -x is crazy |
| 19:47.42 | centrx | what in the world |
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| 19:50.13 | LunaLovegood | What emulator currently works best for running a Debian VM on a Windows host? |
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| 19:50.28 | shay_shay | virtualbox works great |
| 19:50.41 | Parabola | hypervisor, not emulator :) you're not emulating windows, you're running it |
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| 19:50.50 | Parabola | with that, virtualbox is fine and free |
| 19:51.06 | LunaLovegood | ok thanks |
| 19:51.08 | Parabola | vmware offering might have more features, but its not free and i doubt either of us would notice whats missing |
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| 19:51.27 | Parabola | oh, LunaLovegood when you create your VM, if your networking doesnt work properly, change the settings to NAT from bridged.. |
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| 19:51.59 | Parabola | for some reason on windows bridged isnt really bridged, if i set to NAT, it gets an address from DHCP and functions properly. |
| 19:52.03 | Parabola | seems like they mixed the terms up |
| 19:52.09 | LunaLovegood | weird |
| 19:52.13 | Parabola | yep :) |
| 19:52.18 | Parabola | so pick NAT, its actually bridged |
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| 19:52.41 | Parabola | im going to stab this desktop in the god damn face |
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| 19:53.02 | Parabola | fakeraid mdadm issues booting, find i expect that, but logout,reboot and shutdown dont even work properly |
| 19:53.07 | Parabola | talk about insult to injury |
| 19:53.24 | LunaLovegood | Although, other than for the installation, I only need networking to work between the host and the VM. |
| 19:53.35 | LunaLovegood | anyway thanks. |
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| 19:54.05 | r3m | ,v dropbox |
| 19:54.06 | judd | No package named 'dropbox' was found in amd64. |
| 19:54.12 | r3m | ,v dropbox-nautilus |
| 19:54.13 | judd | No package named 'dropbox-nautilus' was found in amd64. |
| 19:54.22 | r3m | ,v nautilus-dropbox |
| 19:54.24 | judd | Package: nautilus-dropbox on amd64 -- squeeze-backports/non-free: 0.6.7-3~bpo60+1; wheezy/non-free: 1.4.0-3; sid/non-free: 1.6.2-3; jessie/non-free: 1.6.2-3; stretch/non-free: 1.6.2-3; experimental/non-free: 2.10.0-1 |
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| 19:55.33 | ra73 | is there a way to remove window decoration(titlebar) on maximized windows in xfce? |
| 19:55.56 | Parabola | scissors, if its really tough a saw |
| 19:56.11 | Parabola | ..see what i did there |
| 19:56.22 | shay_shay | >.< |
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| 19:57.19 | ra73 | Parabola: -.- |
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| 20:01.26 | Parabola | jelly: if they array is in a verifying state, could that cause this issue? not sure that it is just brainstorming |
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| 20:04.18 | nabblet | Hi, i ran rm on a ext4 ssd that had discard as mount option. extundelete uses journaling information to recover files. I don't care if the files can actually recovered. I want to know if the list of deleted files generated from the journal is reliable/complete.\ |
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| 20:07.58 | nabblet | please ignore my question, it is already discussed in ##linux |
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| 20:13.53 | tmh1999 | ra73 : Why do you keep questioning about Desktop Environment in this channel? #xfce or #gnome maybe a go? |
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| 20:14.41 | ra73 | tmh1999: good point, heading there |
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| 20:19.47 | digdilem | somebody boot dmilith2/dmilith for nickchange spamming? |
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| 20:23.32 | jhutchins | digdilem: Configure your client correctly if it bothers you. |
| 20:23.54 | digdilem | correctly is reporting nick changes. |
| 20:24.44 | N3X15 | I suspect his ghost detection is going nuts. |
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| 20:25.00 | digdilem | badly configured bouncer and a bad connection at a guess |
| 20:25.14 | digdilem | or a crap script |
| 20:25.18 | N3X15 | Wrote a similar script for xchat and the server kicked me for flooding :V |
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| 20:28.46 | roberth1990 | seriously, debian fixed a bug in package which is in, but doesn't add it to jessie /facepalm.... |
| 20:28.47 | teraflop | If you have a vps or a server i find a weechat relay server way better than a bouncer |
| 20:29.25 | roberth1990 | *is in jessie |
| 20:29.31 | jiku | just installed an instance of jessie.. |
| 20:29.43 | jiku | and thought of compiling nagios in it.. |
| 20:30.04 | jiku | how can i start init service (nagios) in init.d in systemd environemtn? |
| 20:30.15 | jiku | gives me this error. |
| 20:30.15 | jiku | [....] Starting nagios (via systemctl): nagios.serviceFailed to start nagios.service: Unit nagios.service failed to load: No such file or directory. |
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| 20:41.42 | jhutchins | jiku: Remove nagios, install it from the debian packages, look at how it does it, figure out if you want a custom install. |
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| 20:43.17 | darko | Hi everyone |
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| 20:43.50 | darko | Is this channel for help? |
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| 20:43.54 | centrx | Yes |
| 20:43.55 | centrx | !ask |
| 20:43.56 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 20:45.03 | Parabola | FIXED BITCHES |
| 20:45.24 | Parabola | for some odd reason, the initramfs thing doesnt load any of the raid drivers, added them to the config file, rebuilt, update-grub reboot |
| 20:47.14 | darko | I am new to linux but want to use debian because its the most stable os (In my oppinion). I tried to install debian 8 gnome but during the install got problems with wireless, graphics card, firmware and dont know what else. Can someone tell me if there is a file that I can put on usb so whan during install ask I can put the usb and finish installation? |
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| 20:48.59 | centrx | darko, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
| 20:49.10 | centrx | darko, that's a substitute for your current install ISO |
| 20:49.22 | centrx | darko, You can also find what firmware package you need, download it from the web onto a USB key and install from there |
| 20:49.42 | jhutchins | !firmware |
| 20:49.42 | dpkg | Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
| 20:50.21 | darko | centrx: what its the diference from official? |
| 20:50.22 | jhutchins | darko: There's a firmware-nonfree package that includes most of them. |
| 20:50.29 | tmh1999 | darko : It should be missing some firmware file. Dont worry just plugin your Ethernet cable in and complete the installation, then you have to install appropriate firmware which are missing |
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| 20:51.42 | centrx | darko, ^ that's another option, install using a wired network connection and get the wifi firmware after install |
| 20:52.11 | tmh1999 | For example, I have missing iwlwifi firmware, I installed the system, login, enable non-free & contrib repo (by adding entries to /etc/apt/sources.list) then run as root #apt-get install iwlwifi-firmware |
| 20:52.34 | darko | Also, does wacom tablets recognised in debian or I will find the driver in firmware? |
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| 20:54.15 | tmh1999 | darko : Try #apt-cache search wacom |
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| 20:54.51 | darko | what is #apt-cache ? |
| 20:55.56 | tmh1999 | darko : # means run as root, $ run as user. apt-cache is part of apt. |
| 20:56.05 | halt | Hi guys, I'm building up packer for our base image in aws, but i need the base of the base which will be debian, can you guys recommend and easy way to fine the latest ami id ? |
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| 20:56.27 | darko | thank you. |
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| 21:08.21 | darko | I need correct iso file for debian 8 gnome desktop edition with graphics installer. Is this correct place? http://imgur.com/yWm32lu |
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| 21:09.36 | centrx | darko, yes that's right, you only need CD-1 or the netinstall, the rest can be downloaded from the web as needed |
| 21:10.04 | centrx | darko, but that won't solve your firmware issue? |
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| 21:10.44 | tmh1999 | centrx : debian-mac-8.0.0 is optimized for Macbook brand, you think ? |
| 21:11.07 | niteye | what does the ng stand for in apt-cacher-ng ? |
| 21:11.21 | centrx | niteye, probably Next Generation |
| 21:11.43 | niteye | explains why its better than apt-cacher without ng then heh |
| 21:11.57 | darko | centrx, ill download firmware later as you said. |
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| 21:15.52 | darko | centrx, you mentioned about unofficial cd images that contain firmware for non free drivers. Can you explain me why its unofficial? Would I be installing some modified debian 8 OS? or its the same debian 8 just with firmware? |
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| 21:17.05 | centrx | darko, it's the same |
| 21:17.30 | centrx | darko, it's unofficial because Debian main release must meet requirements to be DFSG-free |
| 21:17.39 | centrx | darko, but the non-free firmware is provided by Debian for the convenience of users |
| 21:17.57 | centrx | darko, https://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
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| 21:18.04 | darko | centrx, so for me the unofficial its better. |
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| 21:18.37 | centrx | right |
| 21:18.37 | babilen | dpkg: firmware image |
| 21:18.37 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
| 21:19.34 | darko | centrx, will it recognize wifi at the begining or later? Should I connect to wired network? |
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| 21:27.07 | mscs | Just wanted to throw this out there: Debian is awesome. I love that it was decided to put steam in the repos so it's just "apt-get install steam" |
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| 21:28.37 | centrx | Goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo DEBIAN!! |
| 21:29.20 | digdilem | nyancat's in there too, and i'm not sure how I feel about that |
| 21:29.55 | mscs | not jsut nyancat, but nyancat-server? |
| 21:30.12 | babilen | darko: I personally prefer to install via ethernet, but wireless should work just as well |
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| 21:38.53 | udevd | https://lists.debian.org/debian-women/2015/04/msg00008.html |
| 21:38.56 | udevd | ouch |
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| 21:42.12 | Angel_ | hello I'm looking to set up a dedicated video streaming server, and was considering debian, but I've had little luck finding a linux package that I can set up to a stream (like a playlist) that I turn on and then can forget |
| 21:42.51 | Angel_ | I'm hoping someone here might have a bit more experience then me and can offer options/advice |
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| 21:44.18 | ipv6_issues | i'm trying to only allow a connection from ipv4 https://bpaste.net/show/0248b5c9761f and #netfilter is dead |
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| 21:44.36 | ipv6_issues | that appears to just kill the connections |
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| 21:45.34 | niteye | i upgraded from squeeze to jessie, and now the xfce panel is messed up, size and placement of the widgets have gone berserk |
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| 21:46.34 | snowdenisahero | it sucks that jessie was was released now |
| 21:46.48 | snowdenisahero | xfce 4.12 just came out with some good new features |
| 21:46.56 | snowdenisahero | didn't have time to make it to jessie |
| 21:47.01 | mscs | can't you just bring it down on it's own? |
| 21:47.21 | snowdenisahero | me? |
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| 21:47.36 | Arrowmaster | it wouldnt have made it to jessie anyway unless the freeze was delayed until now |
| 21:47.41 | niteye | what new features does xfce 4.12 get ? |
| 21:47.55 | Arrowmaster | just use stretch |
| 21:48.12 | snowdenisahero | Arrowmaster yeah I'm considering that |
| 21:48.29 | Arrowmaster | already on it |
| 21:48.42 | snowdenisahero | niteye idk I haven't used it yet, heard nothing was too drastic but they cleaned things up a lot and added some nice things |
| 21:49.13 | niteye | i stick with xfce because i got this xp theme for it, im very nostalgic about it |
| 21:49.35 | teraflop | niteye: that's a dist²-upgrade ;) |
| 21:49.45 | snowdenisahero | i stick with xfce because it's clean, simple, gets the job done, and doesn't use a lot of ram |
| 21:49.54 | niteye | that too |
| 21:49.55 | snowdenisahero | it's the whole package |
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| 21:50.13 | Guest51721 | fluxbox |
| 21:50.24 | snowdenisahero | i also like i3 though |
| 21:50.34 | snowdenisahero | for when i want things really minimalist |
| 21:51.07 | niteye | a desktop environment specifically for the i3 processor? |
| 21:51.22 | snowdenisahero | lol no, the i3 window manager |
| 21:51.25 | mariothemad | I think he's referring to the i3 window manager |
| 21:51.27 | snowdenisahero | it's a tiling window manager |
| 21:51.33 | snowdenisahero | real minimal |
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| 21:52.40 | snowdenisahero | i actually prefer just using the command line but I do too much web browsing for that |
| 21:52.41 | mariothemad | On that note, can anyone point me in the direction of a guide on how to set up i3 or xmonad or something to that effect as a semi-desktop environment...I don't care about having a desktop...I just want to be able to have little network daemons and sound daemons |
| 21:52.42 | dvs | snowdenisahero: If it's really that much of an improvement, I"m sure someone will put it in backports. |
| 21:53.02 | snowdenisahero | and all the text-based browsers aren't that much fun to use |
| 21:53.44 | snowdenisahero | dvs, yeah it wasn't a big deal, just thought it was kind of coincidentally poor timing |
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| 21:58.15 | snowdenisahero | not that this is important but I'm liking the default wallpaper for jessie, at least the one in xfce |
| 21:58.28 | snowdenisahero | not sure if it's different in other DEs |
| 21:58.54 | Angel_ | unless xfce waited until the freeze and it was released to release their version because they don't like debian =P But magic 8ball says that signs point to no on that one |
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| 22:10.43 | GreeningGalaxy | I'm having a very hard time making a bootable USB stick to install Jessie. The hybrid live images don't have the necessary .efi files to boot from, and the tutorial on debian.org to make a USB drive manually with a DVD image didn't work either. |
| 22:10.50 | Angel_ | ohh snow left I was going to say I recommend installing links (or something like it) because if you can boot to a commandline and have no other systems and can get online you can use it to look up fixes. not ideal but it works as an emergency fall back |
| 22:11.11 | GreeningGalaxy | Should I just be able to extract a DVD .iso file into the freshly formatted drive? |
| 22:11.27 | bolt | how can I, after upgrading to jessie, get a list of all vestigial packages that were not in jessie and thus weren't upgraded? |
| 22:11.28 | dmilith | digdilem: blame freenode/ znc |
| 22:11.33 | dmilith | that's not me |
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| 22:12.49 | bolt | basically i guess i want a list of installed packages not from my current repo's |
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| 22:18.25 | ipv6_issues | when doing "adduser user" i get perl: warning: Setting locale failed. perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: LANGUAGE = (unset), LC_ALL = (unset), LANG = "en_US.UTF-8" are supported and installed on your system. |
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| 22:20.28 | unicorn316386 | nice name ipv6_issues |
| 22:20.42 | ipv6_issues | unicorn316386: thank you |
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| 22:24.17 | GreeningGalaxy | has anyone managed to install Jessie with UEFI yet? |
| 22:25.06 | unicorn316386 | I do not buy computers with UEFI :D |
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| 22:26.35 | jhutchins | !locale |
| 22:26.36 | dpkg | A locale is a set of rules for presenting information to humans according to local conventions (date format, thousands separators, language, etc.). Ask me about <locales> to establish on a Debian system. http://wiki.debian.org/Locale http://mywiki.wooledge.org/locale |
| 22:26.38 | mscs | unicorn316386: getting harder and harder nowadays |
| 22:26.46 | mscs | GreeningGalaxy: yeah, I have a UEFI desktop I threw it on |
| 22:26.59 | ipv6_issues | GreeningGalaxy: legacy works just fine |
| 22:27.00 | GreeningGalaxy | with an optical disk, or from USB? |
| 22:27.03 | mscs | usb |
| 22:27.12 | mscs | though I used the nonfree firmware version |
| 22:27.15 | unicorn316386 | not really mscs, just getting cheaper to find used computers with uefi :D |
| 22:27.21 | unicorn316386 | *without |
| 22:27.29 | GreeningGalaxy | what image did you use? I can't find a hybrid/live image that has an .efi file in it |
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| 22:27.34 | jhutchins | GreeningGalaxy: People have beein installing it as testing for a while now, including UEFI installs. |
| 22:27.39 | GreeningGalaxy | okay |
| 22:27.44 | GreeningGalaxy | good :D |
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| 22:28.03 | GreeningGalaxy | So far I have yet to actually make a stick that's bootable under UEFI. :/ |
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| 22:28.25 | jhutchins | UEFI support goes back to when Intel-chipped Macs came out, and was always necessary for s390s. |
| 22:28.44 | jhutchins | It's just that more people are encountering it these days. |
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| 22:29.15 | GreeningGalaxy | Linux is mostly a learning experience for me, so I'm mainly just wanting to use UEFI so I know how to work with UEFI systems in the future. |
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| 22:29.29 | mscs | GreeningGalaxy: fwiw, I just dd'd this to a flash drive: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/8.0.0/multi-arch/iso-cd/ |
| 22:29.40 | ipv6_issues | when doing "adduser user" i get perl: warning: Setting locale failed. perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: LANGUAGE = (unset), LC_ALL = (unset), LANG = "en_US.UTF-8" are supported and installed on your system. - how would i fix this? |
| 22:29.55 | GreeningGalaxy | mscs: oh, a CD image? |
| 22:30.02 | GreeningGalaxy | good to know that works |
| 22:30.26 | mscs | GreeningGalaxy: yup! It's in the docs too, I think. For convinience, it works as a DVD/CD or as a flash drive |
| 22:30.26 | GreeningGalaxy | ah, netinst |
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| 22:30.47 | GreeningGalaxy | should a full DVD image work if dd'd to a large enough flash drive? |
| 22:30.55 | mscs | in theory, yeah |
| 22:30.59 | GreeningGalaxy | cool |
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| 22:31.20 | mscs | GreeningGalaxy: might I ask though, why use the DVD image rather than net? |
| 22:31.51 | GreeningGalaxy | um, because net sounds more complicated I guess? that's a totally unfounded assumption, I guess I hadnt considered |
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| 22:32.40 | GreeningGalaxy | when i first installed Debian it was on a laptop that barely was able to connect to the internet at all, so I had to do it the CD-only way |
| 22:32.47 | GreeningGalaxy | but that's not the case at the moment, lol |
| 22:32.54 | GreeningGalaxy | alright, maybe I'll try out the netinst. |
| 22:33.03 | mscs | GreeningGalaxy: nah man, it's easy peasy. It just downloads the packages from the interwebs as it goes. That's why I used the nonfree version, btw: I had a non-free nic. |
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| 22:33.34 | mscs | I also have to use the non-free NVidia drivers, and not even those that come with Jessie. My GPU is a 970: too new for bundled. |
| 22:33.42 | GreeningGalaxy | yeah, the non-free version is probably what I want for a number of reasons |
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| 22:36.41 | linux_stu | If I have my apt sources configured correctly for contrib, should I be able to see this package when I do an 'aptitude search firmware'? https://packages.debian.org/jessie/firmware-b43-installer |
| 22:37.19 | GreeningGalaxy | mscs: what was the drive you used formatted as before you dd'd it? does that matter? |
| 22:37.30 | mscs | naw, dd will overwrite all the things. |
| 22:37.35 | GreeningGalaxy | ah okay |
| 22:37.54 | mscs | I actually cheated and used pv some-image-file.iso > /dev/sd(whatever the drive was) |
| 22:37.55 | GreeningGalaxy | so its not an issue that gparted goes "what? I have no idea what kind of filesystem this is!" when you dd the drive? |
| 22:38.05 | mscs | not that I've seen. |
| 22:38.13 | GreeningGalaxy | alright good |
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| 22:42.56 | hblack | yo |
| 22:43.52 | Angel_ | I use the non-free video drivers as well (mostly because I get 10X the performance with them over the free and that doesn't include the other features not supported yet in the free version) |
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| 22:44.33 | mscs | hblack: I didn't realize that app had IRC compatability! |
| 22:44.49 | mscs | Angel_: which card? |
| 22:45.42 | Angel_ | mscs, its a higher end mobile card |
| 22:45.54 | mscs | Angel_: like, a 4g card? |
| 22:46.49 | linux_stu | Is this package available through aptitude? https://packages.debian.org/jessie/firmware-b43-installer |
| 22:47.02 | linux_stu | I'm searching for it but not finding anything :( |
| 22:47.09 | Angel_ | no video card not a 4G or 4G LTE card... though there is a slot just for that, but I didn't want to spend $300 for something I'd rarely if ever use/or need to use |
| 22:47.20 | Angel_ | mscs, ^^^ |
| 22:47.43 | mscs | Angel_: ohhhhhh, I saw "mobile" and though cellular rather than like NVidia 750m or whatever. |
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| 22:49.02 | fragtastic | linux_stu, add contrib do your apt sources https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html#s-contrib |
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| 22:49.36 | Angel_ | lol yeah I know I'd like one but finding one that is affordable and then finding a company that will give you a data plan for it is like so hard as to be "why bother?" |
| 22:50.19 | teraflop | hey my mali-760 gpu is a beast |
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| 22:52.04 | mscs | Angel_: I found out that if you have a metered data plan, they're not supposed to charge you for tethering, at least here. |
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| 22:52.16 | mscs | So I just use my phone and the data on my 8G plan if I have to |
| 22:52.43 | hikenboot | if i use the lvcreate with the -m option it creates a mirror of a logical volume, what about in the case where an original with data exists, how do you specify which is the source disk of the mirror and which is the destination of the mirror and would it be bootable once put in another system |
| 22:52.44 | dizzylizzy | Does anyone know of a program that watches determines whether a file has changed? I want to write a cronjob to send the system mail with a diff of a file's changes if it has been changed |
| 22:52.53 | hikenboot | that is...would the mirror be bootable when put into an identical system? |
| 22:53.02 | hikenboot | i can do an lvconvert --splitmirrors 2 --name copy vg/lv or something similar to split but I am trying to insure the original is not touched |
| 22:53.02 | Angel_ | mscs, yeah but that means carrying a cable and a charged phone, etc. |
| 22:53.27 | mscs | Angel_: no cable. Wifi hotspot. A charged phone, yeah. But I have a Nexus 6, so it's a beast on battery :) |
| 22:54.11 | mscs | actually, what I really want is a solid tablet to run debian on. I don't care about the touchscreen, I just want a laptop -keyboard and touchpad. |
| 22:54.21 | mscs | and a usb port for my keyboard/mouse, really |
| 22:54.24 | Angel_ | mscs, mine lasts ohhh 3-5 days on a charge typically. but I tend to go with the USB teethering as I have not gotten the Wifi Hotspot to ever work reliably |
| 22:54.40 | mscs | Angel_: what kinda phone? |
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| 22:55.30 | ipv6_issues | https://bpaste.net/show/d2de11a74ba4 locale not set... ? |
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| 22:55.39 | eeee | hey |
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| 22:56.20 | eeee | when I'm trying to run my program, it's said, that error while loading shared library 'xyz'. No such file or directory. However, I have this lib in /usr/lib64 |
| 22:56.27 | teraflop | ipv6_issues: paste the whole url ^ |
| 22:56.30 | eeee | what should I do to give correct path to my binary? |
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| 22:56.42 | ipv6_issues | teraflop: whole url? |
| 22:57.00 | teraflop | ipv6_issues: http://a.pomf.se/kxagrp.png |
| 22:57.07 | joldy1 | so while I was watching reruns of the X files I have a conspiracy theory |
| 22:57.27 | ipv6_issues | teraflop: that is the whole url? |
| 22:57.35 | ipv6_issues | try the raw https://bpaste.net/raw/d2de11a74ba4 |
| 22:58.20 | Angel_ | mscs, its a Samsung phone, it works for what I need it to do... which is be a phone! |
| 22:59.00 | teraflop | ipv6_issues: did you setup your locales? |
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| 22:59.50 | ipv6_issues | teraflop: this is on a fresh vps, i don't know how to do that. |
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| 23:02.43 | GreeningGalaxy | woo, just 30 more minutes of backup copying |
| 23:03.01 | GreeningGalaxy | I don't technically need to do this because I have a separate home partition, but I'm paranoid. |
| 23:03.16 | teraflop | ipv6_issues: dis you try sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales? |
| 23:03.20 | teraflop | did* |
| 23:04.33 | ipv6_issues | teraflop: rebooting currently |
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| 23:05.40 | teraflop | ipv6_issues: hard to believe the time you spent here and did not try a google: setup locales debian |
| 23:06.21 | ipv6_issues | teraflop: i looked it up and it said to do lc_all and that seemed wrong, and it was |
| 23:07.02 | teraflop | ok, I wish it get fixed after the reboot |
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| 23:09.20 | ipv6_issues | it looks like it did |
| 23:09.27 | teraflop | nice |
| 23:09.59 | ipv6_issues | now, what i'm trying to do... |
| 23:10.04 | teraflop | heh |
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| 23:10.34 | ipv6_issues | i'm trying to get both ipv4 and ipv6 iptables working |
| 23:12.52 | Angel_ | ipv6 is a myth! |
| 23:13.00 | teraflop | Angel_: nah |
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| 23:13.22 | Angel_ | teraflop, I know its just not widely supported in the US yet, when it really should be |
| 23:13.44 | grublet | Angel_: what's the point of ipv6 if nat exists |
| 23:14.01 | Angel_ | and by widely supported I mean you could drop ipv4 and still get anywhere |
| 23:14.04 | teraflop | grublet: nat is an ugly hack IMO |
| 23:14.22 | Angel_ | because nat is a ugly and tera beat me to it... Teraflop gets a cookie |
| 23:14.29 | grublet | teraflop: maybe so but it's already there and there are enough IPs with NAT afaik |
| 23:14.30 | teraflop | Angel_: well the ipv4 starvation is around the corner ... |
| 23:14.56 | Angel_ | teraflop, its here already the last batch of them were sold/handed out what 2 years ago? |
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| 23:17.10 | Angel_ | teraflop, its nice that most if not all consumer routers these days can support ipv6 its the ISPs that don't yet (universally that is some do and some are phasing it in) |
| 23:17.56 | teraflop | Angel_: i cant understand the delay in adopting ipv6, that's true |
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| 23:18.09 | Angel_ | though I've yet to get a streaming video server running (I want to set a playlist and then let it go... like to entertain my nieces and nephews when they come over) |
| 23:18.56 | Angel_ | teraflop, I think its the fact that its new and is so different from ipv4 in how it does some things, like private and public addressing and the lack of subnetting that throws people |
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| 23:20.37 | Angel_ | I mean in theory they could have done the same length as ipv6 is now and did the same for the subnetting and you'd have way more address possiblities but from what I've read ipv6 is already overkill (for the time being who knows we might be seeing ipv8 or ipv12 in 10-20 years as ipv6 is running out!) |
| 23:20.51 | teraflop | Angel_: but the fact is everyone can have/do have a working ipv6 yet |
| 23:21.14 | teraflop | Angel_: see windows it gets teredo ipv6 addresses |
| 23:21.40 | teraflop | you can do miredo anfd browse the web dual stacked too |
| 23:21.48 | teraflop | and* |
| 23:22.14 | teraflop | so whats the point, ever not having native isp v6 support you have ipv6 |
| 23:22.14 | Angel_ | teraflop, the US hold up is mostly ISPs not supporting it until recently most homes didn't get a ipv6 address only a ipv4 |
| 23:22.36 | Angel_ | a private ipv6 address, |
| 23:23.21 | teraflop | Angel_: yeah but it does not matter |
| 23:23.28 | Angel_ | and if the isp doesn't support ipv6 and you try to send an ipv6 packet it gets dropped as malformed |
| 23:24.11 | teraflop | Angel_: uhm, i dont think so, since teredo/moredo do tunneling |
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| 23:24.29 | teraflop | Angel_: or whatever tunnelbloker you use |
| 23:24.46 | teraflop | miredo* |
| 23:24.52 | Angel_ | so you set up an ipv4 tunnel so you can use ipv6... Brillant! |
| 23:25.04 | teraflop | Angel_: try yourself install miredo |
| 23:25.05 | joldy1 | Genius level unmatched by man |
| 23:25.17 | teraflop | Angel_: in windows it is shipped by default |
| 23:25.33 | Angel_ | what is this windows you refer to? |
| 23:25.49 | teraflop | windows 8 at least |
| 23:25.51 | Angel_ | my windows are glass and don't have an internet connection |
| 23:26.00 | joldy1 | something like that |
| 23:26.02 | Angel_ | at least I don't think they do |
| 23:26.14 | teraflop | same with windows server 8 and 12 |
| 23:26.44 | Angel_ | yeah I'm going to pay hundreds for software that I'll never use |
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| 23:27.17 | KM0201 | Angel_: well, you could always save hundreds on your car insurance by switching to Geico |
| 23:27.34 | teraflop | Angel_: im not telling you to use windows im pointing you a fact, also it's had to do tunneling with no internet connection |
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| 23:27.49 | Angel_ | no I'd pay more actually and get less service with geico =P but thank you for the suggestion KM0201 |
| 23:27.58 | teraflop | Angel_: use miredo in your debian for the sake of god ;) |
| 23:28.02 | KM0201 | teraflop: hard? i thought impossible |
| 23:28.18 | teraflop | KM0201: tell that to Angel_ |
| 23:28.30 | KM0201 | sorry, i've not really been following |
| 23:28.39 | GreeningGalaxy | alright, down I go for the reboot. later! |
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| 23:29.34 | asterismo | hi people |
| 23:29.54 | teraflop | oh i see the glass thingie was a joke ... |
| 23:29.54 | asterismo | i wonder what about the usenet server platform |
| 23:30.05 | asterismo | it is still alive? |
| 23:30.18 | asterismo | i installed inn2 server in debian |
| 23:30.23 | asterismo | and slrn client |
| 23:30.32 | asterismo | any experience with that? |
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| 23:30.38 | asterismo | configs and so? |
| 23:31.53 | Angel_ | teraflop, yes it was a joke.... sorry it wasn't CLEAR |
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| 23:33.12 | teraflop | Angel_: my point is that you can do ipv6 right now and whatever your isp supports and the point of the windows is that in your country there is a lot of windows users :P |
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| 23:34.30 | teraflop | not you, you only use the glass ones I know |
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| 23:35.04 | Angel_ | teraflop, my country? |
| 23:35.31 | teraflop | teraflop, the US hold up is mostly ISPs not supporting it until rece ... |
| 23:36.11 | Angel_ | shrug not my country so what do I care? |
| 23:36.26 | teraflop | Angel_: ok i bail on this one |
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| 23:54.57 | gokee2 | Hello everyone, I upgraded to Debian Jessie and no2 /usr/sbin/alsa is missing! I looked around but I am not finding a solution. How can I do a "alsa force-reload"? |
| 23:55.07 | gokee2 | s/no2/now/ |
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| 23:57.47 | somiaj | gokee2: looks like you'll just have to modprobe -r, then modprobe the modules yourself. |
| 23:59.27 | somiaj | I see in the change logs, "Merged the few useful directives from the alsa-base package", which then just became a transitional package. Not sure if there is a way to reload the alsa modules without just doing it manually. |
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