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| 00:00.10 | gokee2 | somiaj: Hmmm, that never worked in the past. If I unloaded modules myself I always needed the alsa command to do some stuff once they were reloaded |
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| 00:01.05 | somiaj | gokee2: there is /usr/sbin/alsactl, maybe it an do what you need. |
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| 00:01.32 | gokee2 | somiaj: I tried that, a reload does not help |
| 00:01.45 | gokee2 | My card needs a full reset after coming out of suspend |
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| 00:04.52 | at0m | isn't there a modules config that unloads then reloads modules before suspend and after resume |
| 00:05.27 | somiaj | gokee2: I would follow at0m suggestion, but alsa was just a script, you can still get a copy from wheezy, figure out what it does and mimic it. |
| 00:05.59 | somiaj | gokee2: http://paste.debian.net/170918/ that is wheeyz's /usr/sbin/alsa |
| 00:06.12 | hikenboot | in order to use dd to duplicate a volume the path needs to exist in /dev for instance /dev/vgname/lvname if it exist it means its mounted which means it would be dirty on copy is that correct? |
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| 00:07.00 | at0m | somiaj: not sure, cos i never needed it, but /etc/modules or .d has setting for that |
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| 00:07.07 | Brigo | hikenboot, no, it can exist without need of mounting. |
| 00:07.29 | hikenboot | Brigo, thanks for that information but I am not sure how can you explain? |
| 00:07.33 | gokee2 | somiaj: Hmm I tried unloading modules by hand and putting them back but no help. I will try looking at the script and seeing what it does, thanks |
| 00:07.42 | somiaj | at0m: yea I think there is a config file in /etc you can just list the moduless you want unloaded and loaded. |
| 00:08.02 | at0m | yep, just dont recall which where atm |
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| 00:08.21 | Brigo | hikenboot, the unit will show up when you active or create it. |
| 00:08.37 | at0m | especially for these cases where devices dont resume properly |
| 00:08.47 | hikenboot | oh i was mistaken then i thought if it was active then it meant copying would be dirty |
| 00:08.52 | bolt | how can I, after upgrading to jessie, get a list of all vestigial packages that were not in jessie and thus weren't upgraded? basically i guess i want a list of installed packages not from my current repo's. |
| 00:08.58 | gokee2 | And ya if I figure out what modules exactly trigger it and I can do it with a simple unload/reload that would be great. I solved it in the last with a simple alsa force-realod at the end of my suspend command |
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| 00:10.19 | Brigo | !obsolet |
| 00:10.24 | Brigo | !obsolete |
| 00:10.24 | dpkg | If you remove a repository from your sources.list (e.g. removing <dmm>), then you should check what packages you have installed from the other repository. Synaptic and aptitude have a "Obsolete and Locally Created Packages" list. Or, "aptitude search ~o". Note this doesn't include packages that exist in the repo at a different version to the one you have installed; see <not available> <list repositories>. |
| 00:10.54 | somiaj | bolt: aptitude ~o will search for obsolete packages, but if you have thrid party soruces with the pacakges in them they may not be identified unless you comment out the sources for the time being. |
| 00:11.13 | somiaj | it also won't list packages whihch are avalable in jessie but not of the jessie version (though there is a more complicated search string to do that) |
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| 00:19.47 | ipv6_issues | just to verify, it's 700 for .ssh, 400 for authorized_keys and both the folder/file need to be owned by the user who's /home/ it's in? |
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| 00:20.43 | somiaj | ipv6_issues: correct |
| 00:21.02 | somiaj | ipv6_issues: sorry 600 for authroized_keys |
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| 00:21.10 | ipv6_issues | there's my problem. |
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| 00:35.06 | bolt | somiaj: that worked perfectly. thanks |
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| 00:49.08 | tpw_rules | why would i want to create an LVM when i install? |
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| 00:50.35 | grublet | tpw_rules: i think dynamic partition resizing is one of the major benefits |
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| 00:51.01 | grublet | tpw_rules: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_Volume_Manager_%28Linux%29#Features |
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| 00:51.17 | tpw_rules | also how do i create a GPT partiton table in the installer? |
| 00:52.27 | tpw_rules | can i switch to expert mode if i'm in the middle of installation? |
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| 00:54.03 | centrx | probably not |
| 00:54.26 | grublet | i've never been able to |
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| 00:57.53 | roberth1990 | uh AFAIK I know when using UEFI, you have to use gpt partition table |
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| 00:59.22 | tpw_rules | yeah |
| 00:59.29 | tpw_rules | i've booted the installer on a uefi machine |
| 01:00.23 | roberth1990 | tpw_rules: then I think it would create a gpt partition table automatically |
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| 01:02.40 | tpw_rules | ah turns out i didn't boot in uefi mode |
| 01:02.41 | tpw_rules | oops |
| 01:02.52 | roberth1990 | tpw_rules: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Unified_Extensible_Firmware_Interface#EFI_System_Partition |
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| 01:03.43 | tpw_rules | there we go. uefi installer |
| 01:03.45 | otirc | i that gpt is the new standard on hd, but is backward compatible with mbr |
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| 01:04.37 | roberth1990 | new and new, macs have been using both efi and gpt for ages |
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| 01:05.37 | ryouma | will mbr drives boot on new computers? |
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| 01:05.55 | tpw_rules | yes, but not in uefi mode |
| 01:06.12 | hexa- | hey. how can I enable sytemd user mode in jessie? |
| 01:06.32 | ryouma | does the mode matter for running debian? what does it do? |
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| 01:06.57 | hexa- | you can run services as an unpriviledged user |
| 01:07.18 | ryouma | hexa-: i was referring to uefi mode |
| 01:07.18 | hexa- | you can even bring them up on boot; like systemctl --user enable someservice |
| 01:07.21 | hexa- | sorry :) |
| 01:07.27 | ryouma | understandable :) |
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| 01:07.56 | tpw_rules | oh. i don't think so much |
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| 01:14.06 | tpw_rules | what does installing a desktop environment include? i don't want any things like animated clocks, just lxde |
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| 01:17.00 | ryouma | i have a new hard drive. i want to copy my debian installation to it, so that i can boot from it. i don't know how to do this. i tried creating boot (1gb), root (luks, 20gb), copied over, fixed fstab and crypttab, done chroot in which i did dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc, grub-update, initramfs. then i changed bios to boot from new hard drive and all i got was a blinking cursor. |
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| 01:17.35 | tpw_rules | ryouma: it's probably best to image it and then resize your partitions |
| 01:17.46 | ryouma | what does that mean? |
| 01:17.49 | tpw_rules | + reinstall the bootloader so all the UUIDs get updated |
| 01:17.59 | tpw_rules | ie DD the old drive to the new one (presumably the new one is bigger) |
| 01:18.07 | tpw_rules | then expand the partition and resize the filesystem |
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| 01:18.40 | tpw_rules | actually if you do that way, none of the partition or FS IDs will change |
| 01:18.43 | ryouma | huh. i'll use the same sizes. and what do you mean by updating the uuids? |
| 01:19.02 | tpw_rules | ignore that. are the hard drives the same size? |
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| 01:19.53 | ryouma | the new one is larger, but the root and boot partitions are approx same size |
| 01:20.08 | ryouma | (i think gib instead of gb) |
| 01:20.16 | tpw_rules | are there only two partitions? |
| 01:20.30 | tpw_rules | what does the first drive's complete partition table look like |
| 01:20.37 | ryouma | no, there is another large one and an empty one |
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| 01:20.51 | asterismo | hi people |
| 01:20.58 | asterismo | i have a serious doubt |
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| 01:21.10 | asterismo | i dist-upgraded a debian wheezy server |
| 01:21.14 | ryouma | hmm, i was hoping htere was a generic way of doing htis. the old drive has 1, 20, 20, 4, 465 or something. new has 1, 4, 20, huge |
| 01:21.35 | tpw_rules | i'd just image it |
| 01:21.40 | ryouma | except i used gib for the new drive not gb |
| 01:21.52 | asterismo | and it downloaded like 400MB of packages and i think it upgraded to debian 8, can this be possible? my sources say wheezy all over the place since i installed |
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| 01:22.11 | ryouma | tpw_rules: but why doesn't rsync work? what does the image do that rsync doesn't? |
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| 01:22.40 | tpw_rules | it copies everything identically. the filesystem IDs don't change either which is probably important so the encryption and such gets booted correctly |
| 01:22.41 | ryouma | asterismo: is stable anywhere in preferences or sources.list? |
| 01:22.54 | cq-aux | hi guys |
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| 01:23.10 | cq-aux | can someone help me pls to post some hosted thumbnails (instead of the images themselves) |
| 01:23.11 | ryouma | i don't think i want the same uuid for different partitions though |
| 01:23.16 | ryouma | that's just confusing |
| 01:23.23 | cq-aux | this is the bb-code |
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| 01:23.33 | cq-aux | [URL=http://www.imagebam.com/image/98b18d407284717][IMG]http://thumbnails107.imagebam.com/40729/98b18d407284717.jpg[/IMG][/URL] |
| 01:23.38 | asterismo | ryouma: i'll pastebin the sources in a snap |
| 01:24.11 | tpw_rules | ryouma: well presumably you will erase the old drive? |
| 01:24.21 | ryouma | tpw_rules: no, i want both to be bootable |
| 01:24.26 | tpw_rules | oh |
| 01:24.27 | ryouma | i will run from the old drive |
| 01:24.49 | tpw_rules | i'm not sure then. i'm not familiar with booting with encryption and such |
| 01:24.52 | tpw_rules | sorry |
| 01:24.59 | asterismo | ryouma: http://paste.debian.net/170927/ |
| 01:26.01 | themill | dpkg: tell asterismo about stable sources.list |
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| 01:27.02 | asterismo | so themill ryouma i messed up right? |
| 01:27.23 | asterismo | well in fact, the server now is stable releaseagain |
| 01:27.24 | themill | well... you successfully upgraded to jessie |
| 01:27.33 | asterismo | iy appears to be so |
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| 01:29.31 | asterismo | yes, it asked me about a bunch of configuration files, and i kept the previous versions |
| 01:29.59 | asterismo | i had a problem with a phpbb3 forum, it asked me to upgrade the mysql datrabase |
| 01:30.19 | asterismo | but the root password did not worked, so i'll have to come to it later |
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| 01:34.44 | tpw_rules | okay i've installed debian uefi, but i'm having issues booting it |
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| 01:37.45 | roberth1990 | tpw_rules: did you put the ESP outside of lvm? |
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| 01:38.43 | tpw_rules | roberth1990: i'm not using lvm |
| 01:38.47 | tpw_rules | i think it's a bios issue |
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| 01:39.09 | roberth1990 | oh sorry I thought read something pointing to that |
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| 01:41.52 | tpw_rules | anybody have uefi experience? i think it's related to that and my bios. if i recall correctly, the bios has some list of efi system partitions that it boots from and debian never added its own |
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| 01:48.41 | roberth1990 | tpw_rules: it has happend to me, I never bothered to find out why or how to fix it other than reinstalling TBH... |
| 01:49.25 | roberth1990 | tpw_rules: ESP was marked as bootable? |
| 01:49.30 | tpw_rules | oh. i remember |
| 01:49.32 | tpw_rules | efivar |
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| 01:50.35 | packetedprophet | hello im having an issue with dist-upgrade to update to debian 8 |
| 01:50.39 | packetedprophet | my entire system is failing |
| 01:50.48 | roberth1990 | tpw_rules: its not debian specific, it has happend on arch too for me, where you do it manually |
| 01:50.56 | roberth1990 | packetedprophet: oh? |
| 01:50.59 | packetedprophet | no this is debian specific |
| 01:51.00 | packetedprophet | https://i.imgur.com/VrzWpQP.jpg |
| 01:51.02 | packetedprophet | yes |
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| 01:52.17 | roberth1990 | that was.... quite an image... |
| 01:52.19 | tpw_rules | be careful with ctrl+v? |
| 01:52.30 | roberth1990 | tpw_rules: be careful with not trolling |
| 01:52.54 | tpw_rules | i've never seen a troll that bothers to learn about the channel |
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| 01:53.13 | roberth1990 | tpw_rules: debian users can be trolls |
| 01:55.25 | tpw_rules | is it possible to load the package manager without installing the system? |
| 01:56.06 | roberth1990 | tpw_rules: chrooting it? |
| 01:56.45 | tpw_rules | by the way the answer to your question is efibootmgr |
| 01:56.52 | tpw_rules | that will meddle with the config data |
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| 01:57.56 | nonasuomy | any one good with hostapd, I got dhcp and a connection to the ap but no dns working |
| 01:58.52 | nonasuomy | using dnsmasq for dns/dhcp |
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| 02:02.19 | debs | Hello |
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| 02:03.23 | debs | I have a problem when watching youtube that when i load a video for the first time the maximum speed is less than 100kbps, if i reload the page i get full internet speed. Why is that? |
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| 02:05.23 | debs | Anyone? |
| 02:05.48 | debs | Same thing happened in different networks |
| 02:06.01 | roberth1990 | debs: how do you access youtube? |
| 02:06.24 | debs | roberth1990: with browser |
| 02:06.32 | Magic-Fx | if you're using wifi then that's probably the reason the speed fluctuates. Try using an ethernet cable. |
| 02:06.50 | tpw_rules | that sounds to me like a normal day of using youtube |
| 02:07.06 | tpw_rules | on osx |
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| 02:07.50 | roberth1990 | even videos in 1080p here loads within 30 seconds if they are like 10 minutes long |
| 02:08.10 | roberth1990 | its been a lot faster since they started using vp9 instead of h264 |
| 02:09.27 | debs | roberth1990: Somehow this happens constanly on all networks i tested: watch video with low speeds, reload, watch video at good speeds- |
| 02:09.52 | grublet | debs: maybe it's some weird qos thing going on? |
| 02:09.54 | roberth1990 | debs: what if you use speedtest.net what speed do you get there? |
| 02:09.54 | debs | I tried with another distro and it worked. Could maybe Debian be the problem? |
| 02:10.40 | debs | roberth1990: speedtest requires flash |
| 02:11.05 | debs | i wont install flash |
| 02:11.06 | roberth1990 | so you use iceweasel and firefox on other distros? |
| 02:12.25 | debs | or maybe the browser? |
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| 02:14.27 | debs | roberth1990: i used icecat |
| 02:14.33 | GreeningGalaxy | Hi, I just installed Debian with GNOME, and for some reason the mouse cursor always changes to the Adwaita theme whenever I move it into Chromium windows |
| 02:14.53 | GreeningGalaxy | nothing I've tried, including dconf-editor and gnome-tweak-tool both as my account and as root, has changed anything. |
| 02:15.18 | GreeningGalaxy | is there some way to forcibly set the global cursor theme? |
| 02:15.57 | roberth1990 | GreeningGalaxy: try update-alternatives --config x-cursor-theme |
| 02:16.19 | somiaj | GreeningGalaxy: many windows will set their own cusors. It may not be possible to get them all to use the same theme. |
| 02:16.22 | GreeningGalaxy | I did that, and it said something about "only one alternative available, nothing was updated" |
| 02:16.44 | somiaj | I would look into setting the chromium cursor theme |
| 02:16.47 | GreeningGalaxy | hm |
| 02:17.20 | debs | Please someone help... |
| 02:17.29 | roberth1990 | debs: answer my question |
| 02:17.40 | roberth1990 | oh nevermind |
| 02:17.42 | somiaj | debs: why not use iceweasel, icecat isn't in debian. |
| 02:17.53 | roberth1990 | debs: try iceweasel or chromium |
| 02:18.22 | GreeningGalaxy | somiaj: I've never heard of a cursor theme setting for chromium before. any idea where that might be? |
| 02:18.28 | somiaj | debs: if you have flashplugin-nonfree installed and icecat isn't finding the plugin, copy the plugin to the rigt spot. Though I would use iceweasel so you have packages supported by debian. |
| 02:18.37 | roberth1990 | GreeningGalaxy: http://superuser.com/a/688466 |
| 02:19.01 | debs | rioniac: im using iceweasel and my download speeds are 50kbps |
| 02:19.16 | debs | sorry 500 |
| 02:19.37 | roberth1990 | debs: so with youtube on iceweasel the speed is slow? |
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| 02:20.29 | GreeningGalaxy | roberth1990: just tried gsettings, when run as my user, it reported nothing and did nothing; when run as root, it reported "the connection is closed" and failed |
| 02:20.41 | somiaj | GreeningGalaxy: yea not sure, looks chromium can use cursor themes, but you may need to set it via gtk2 not gtk3 |
| 02:21.44 | GreeningGalaxy | ahhh okay |
| 02:22.19 | roberth1990 | I thought chromium was completely free of gtk stuff |
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| 02:23.43 | somiaj | GreeningGalaxy: do you have /usr/share/icons/default/index.theme |
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| 02:24.04 | GreeningGalaxy | I do. i tried replacing it with the theme file of the cursor theme I wanted, and it did nothing. |
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| 02:24.23 | debs_ | roberth1990: Yes, youtube on iceweasel is slow |
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| 02:25.25 | somiaj | GreeningGalaxy: it just needs two lines, [Icon Theme] and then Inherits=ThemeName |
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| 02:25.48 | GreeningGalaxy | somiaj: ah, ok |
| 02:26.04 | roberth1990 | debs_: do you use vpn or tor etc? |
| 02:26.15 | debs_ | roberth1990: No |
| 02:26.42 | roberth1990 | debs_: do you use netorkmanager on debian and the other distro you tried? |
| 02:27.19 | D|nA | debs, tried with addons disabled (if you have any) |
| 02:27.23 | GreeningGalaxy | okay, down for relog then |
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| 02:30.50 | GreeningGalaxy | no dice. I changed the line to inherits=White-Breeze, but GDM and Chromium still have the adwaita cursor theme. |
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| 02:37.07 | GreeningGalaxy | apparently this is a problem with Chrome/ium which nobody cares enough to deal with. :/ |
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| 02:38.25 | GreeningGalaxy | I seem to recall that it was this issue and several others in Mint Cinnamon which ultimately drove me into Arch Linux, lol |
| 02:38.52 | fender0107401 | I find that Debian 8 will not start mysql and postgresql automatically. |
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| 02:39.06 | fender0107401 | Is there a way to do that? |
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| 02:40.42 | hiexpo | why sudo service start |
| 02:42.56 | debs_ | D|nA: I have all my plugins disabled and nothing happensa |
| 02:44.27 | GreeningGalaxy | Debian 8 uses systemd, does it not? |
| 02:44.55 | GreeningGalaxy | systemctl [start/stop/restart/enable/disable] whatever.service |
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| 02:52.19 | aswin | hello friends, i tried to register to the debian forums the other day. But my registration was not completed and they called me a spammer!. what can I do in this situation? I really want to be part of the debian community |
| 02:52.31 | nikio_ | how can i kill processes i see in top? i am doing pkill -f a.out but i still see them when doing top |
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| 02:52.47 | aswin | nikio_: killall process_name |
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| 02:53.14 | aswin | nikio_: or you can use kill process_id |
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| 02:54.05 | lesta | nikio_: press k |
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| 02:57.45 | nikio_ | i still see them aswin |
| 02:58.17 | aswin | hi friends, did you see my question? the debian forum is locking me out, telling me that i am a spammer! i have never sent a spam in my entire life! |
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| 03:00.00 | somiaj | aswin: I would locate and contact a forum adminstrator. I don't know if any are here or not. |
| 03:01.11 | aswin | somiaj: many thanks friend, i used to have an account there, but forgot the username and password, anyway, i would like a new account with my newer mail id. They also said that it could be the blacklisting of IP or ISP |
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| 03:02.43 | tpw_rules | how can i install a window manager without auto-installing things like libre office? |
| 03:03.38 | D|nA | --no-recommends or something like that |
| 03:03.43 | tpw_rules | from the installer |
| 03:03.43 | lesta | --no-install-recommends |
| 03:03.49 | D|nA | ^ that |
| 03:03.52 | tpw_rules | like when i select 'desktop system' |
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| 03:04.35 | tpw_rules | should i just install without a desktop then do that after? |
| 03:04.41 | lesta | but you need to know what you need to install |
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| 03:05.32 | lesta | I think so |
| 03:06.24 | lesta | tpw_rules: what distro? |
| 03:06.31 | tpw_rules | debian 8 |
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| 03:07.44 | lesta | read about the net install |
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| 03:08.53 | shay_shay | don't use --no-install-recommends for that... installing a window manager won't pull in libre office |
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| 03:09.39 | GreeningGalaxy | wow. I totally give up on GNOME. |
| 03:09.57 | mscs | I went with Cinnamon, GreeningGalaxy |
| 03:10.33 | GreeningGalaxy | I liked it back in the Debian 6 days, but it's just a mass of settings that need to exist but don't, silly bugs, and badly-designed layouts. |
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| 03:10.50 | GreeningGalaxy | cinnamon is just a fork of GNOME, isn't it? Last time I tried it, I still got a lot of these bugs. |
| 03:10.53 | somiaj | GreeningGalaxy: did that not fix chormium's icon theme? |
| 03:10.58 | GreeningGalaxy | nope. |
| 03:11.05 | GreeningGalaxy | nor GDM's |
| 03:11.23 | somiaj | I hear many who are liking cinnamon, I can't answer as how to fix it, I still use fvwm as I find a window manager more to my liking. (: |
| 03:11.23 | GreeningGalaxy | had no detectable effect on everything. |
| 03:11.27 | GreeningGalaxy | hmm |
| 03:11.45 | somiaj | yea, I do know that windows are allowed to set their own cursors (think of what happens when you cursor over a terminal) |
| 03:12.05 | GreeningGalaxy | isn't that just the system detecting a text entry field though? |
| 03:12.07 | jelly | tpw_rules: yes, avoid choosing a desktop environment at task install selection completely, then install X and a wm later |
| 03:12.41 | somiaj | GreeningGalaxy: it is the terminal setting its cursor. Now windows can get the cursor theme from X if they want to, but they can also just use their own rules. |
| 03:12.47 | GreeningGalaxy | hmm |
| 03:12.58 | somiaj | GreeningGalaxy: google seems to say it is possible to set the default in chromium I just didn't find a way (I don't pay much attention to cursors) |
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| 03:13.37 | somiaj | GreeningGalaxy: https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=356228 this also suggest setting the XCURSOR_THEME envar variable |
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| 03:15.54 | GreeningGalaxy | okay |
| 03:16.46 | GreeningGalaxy | oh, that worked |
| 03:16.47 | GreeningGalaxy | nifty |
| 03:16.50 | GreeningGalaxy | thanks! |
| 03:17.08 | GreeningGalaxy | and, right on cue, I now have /another/ maddening bug |
| 03:17.37 | GreeningGalaxy | so I have minimized applications on the bottom panel, each one is about 7-8 cm long |
| 03:18.05 | GreeningGalaxy | but when I click there, they all automatically shorten to a seemingly arbitrary length, which always makes the click miss. |
| 03:19.41 | tpw_rules | if my network card works without a non-free firmware, is there a problem? it's asking me for a firmware file at install, but i can't get it to accept mine |
| 03:19.49 | tpw_rules | but if i hit no, it works dandily |
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| 03:22.49 | somiaj | tpw_rules: You may be missing some features. I would ignore it during the install and then check dmesg. |
| 03:23.18 | somiaj | tpw_rules: if it complains about missing firmware then you may not have all features of the card. If you don't see it complaining about firmware, could be just the installer is confused and asking for it even if it dsen't need it. |
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| 03:24.03 | tpw_rules | is there an online list of tasksel packages? i can't run it in the middle of the installer to check. asking about 'standard system utilities' and 'ssh server' |
| 03:24.26 | somiaj | GreeningGalaxy: you don't see any taskbar settings for the size of those, sometimes you can set it to be fixed size or variable size. |
| 03:24.47 | somiaj | tpw_rules: I think they are on the wiki, or you can check the tasks package at packages.debian.org |
| 03:24.51 | GreeningGalaxy | nope, GNOME has no settings pertaining to the taskbar as far as I can tell. |
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| 03:25.16 | somiaj | tpw_rules: standard task is every package with priority standard or higher (usually recomended, but can contain stuff you may not need). ssh server installs the open ssh client, server and openssl |
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| 03:25.42 | tpw_rules | i'm fine with extra system packages. i just don't need a full DE |
| 03:26.04 | somiaj | !standard task |
| 03:26.04 | dpkg | [standard task] a "task" that should be installed on all machines during the installer stage. It installs packages that are important, required and standard (i.e. "aptitude install ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant"). Packages in the <essential> set are always installed. Also ask me about <tasksel>. |
| 03:26.42 | somiaj | tpw_rules: for the most part it isn't that many packages, and selecting it won't install xorg or anything like that. |
| 03:27.31 | GreeningGalaxy | somiaj: how would I set that environment variable to apply to all chromium sessions? |
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| 03:28.54 | somiaj | GreeningGalaxy: I would set it in my .xsession file, but if you use gdm, I' |
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| 03:29.34 | ryouma | does it matter much whether you upgrade to jessie using upgrade and then dist-upgrade or just dist-upgrade? |
| 03:29.43 | somiaj | GreeningGalaxy: i'm not sure the best way to ensure it gets set. You could use ~/.profile or ~/.bash_profile, it should load those when you log into anything (including gnome) and then applications run from gnome will inherit them. |
| 03:30.21 | GreeningGalaxy | okay |
| 03:30.34 | GreeningGalaxy | what would I put in ~/.profile, then? |
| 03:31.12 | somiaj | ryouma: The release notes doesn't mention a need for doing upgrade first, but the choice is up to you. |
| 03:31.19 | shay_shay | .profile is things you want to happen every time you open a shell |
| 03:31.25 | somiaj | GreeningGalaxy: either EnvVar=value, or export EnvVar=value |
| 03:32.32 | somiaj | I personally think .xsession would be the best place, but not sure if that is read when the gnome session is loaded. Also not finding a clear way to set them when gnome is loaded so hence I just figured go for the .profile |
| 03:32.41 | shay_shay | GreeningGalaxy: .profile won't get sourced if .bash_profile exists. I like to use .profile for shell agnostic things and then add "source .profile" to .bash_profile and .zprofile |
| 03:33.17 | GreeningGalaxy | hrm |
| 03:33.20 | shay_shay | that way shell specific things go in their specific .profile files and nonspecific things go in the nonspecific one |
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| 03:33.59 | GreeningGalaxy | i put XCURSOR_THEME=White-Breeze in /etc/environment. any chance that will work? |
| 03:34.22 | somiaj | GreeningGalaxy: it just sets that for everyone of your users, kinda over kill, but it should work |
| 03:34.22 | shay_shay | it will |
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| 03:35.49 | GreeningGalaxy | okay good |
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| 03:36.03 | GreeningGalaxy | it's just a laptop, so it's not like I have a lot of users. |
| 03:36.10 | shay_shay | .xsession gets sourced when you log in to your display manager |
| 03:36.56 | tpw_rules | even installing lxde-core is pulling in crap like scanner libraries |
| 03:37.30 | shay_shay | tpw_rules: why dont you want those things? is your root partition 500mb? |
| 03:38.03 | tpw_rules | because this is a server and i need a desktop to vnc for one specific app |
| 03:38.11 | shay_shay | ohh |
| 03:38.21 | somiaj | tpw_rules: desktops try to include everything that could be used by the userbase. Window manager + configure to make a custom desktop will limit the stuff you install if that is your cup of tea. |
| 03:38.26 | tpw_rules | i mean yeah having them wouldn't hurt anything but they are thoroughly useless |
| 03:38.40 | tpw_rules | somiaj: but lxde-core shouldn't be the desktop |
| 03:38.59 | shay_shay | then --no-install-recommends is what you need. you'll have to forgive me, most people who ask for that don't really mean what they say |
| 03:39.18 | somiaj | tpw_rules: well it is the core part of the desktop, should have enough to give the desktop all of its common features. But yes could be recomends, I belive openbox is fairly popular and might suit your needs for a wm approach. |
| 03:39.37 | shay_shay | i also recommend openbox |
| 03:39.40 | somiaj | tpw_rules: for this one program, do you even need a window manager or a desktop? |
| 03:39.47 | grublet | ive been meaning to do a barebones install and just put what i need in there for learning and fund purposes |
| 03:39.52 | tpw_rules | somiaj: its management console is irritatingly GUI only |
| 03:39.55 | somiaj | if it is only one program, just run it full scren on its own xserver, no need for a wm for that. |
| 03:40.02 | grublet | mostly 'cause slow laptop |
| 03:41.13 | ipv4hermit | I'm a longtime debian user and have been very happy with squeeze and wheezy at work. I just got a new PC that I will use as a home server. I will be using KVM and LXC heavily on it. Can I count on Jessie to give me a hassle free experience for this? I have zero experience with systemd. |
| 03:41.22 | somiaj | with the way webbrowsers are going these days, who really needs anything else...:) |
| 03:41.23 | shay_shay | tpw_rules: have you considered x11 forwarding over ssh? |
| 03:42.00 | somiaj | ipv4hermit: personally I have had little issues with systemd, it works behind the sceens and runs just fine. You can also use sysvinit if you have no desire to use systemd. |
| 03:42.02 | tpw_rules | i don't know about that. i work from osx |
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| 03:42.15 | shay_shay | tpw_rules: xquartz |
| 03:42.47 | tpw_rules | what is the package for x called? |
| 03:42.49 | somiaj | ipv4hermit: Learning the new tools has been a little bit of work, but it always is. I didn't have any isues with the default stuff, but I had to figure out how systemctl worked to write my own service file. |
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| 03:42.57 | shay_shay | and xming on windows tpw_rules |
| 03:42.59 | somiaj | tpw_rules: xserver-xorg-core or something like that |
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| 03:44.05 | tpw_rules | i'll have to try that |
| 03:44.07 | somiaj | ipv4hermit: I would assume it will be a similar experience to wheezy, just be paitent as you learn how to manage systemd via systemctl |
| 03:44.08 | GreeningGalaxy | ah, figured it out. it was the "pixel saver" extension which removes window borders when things are maximized |
| 03:44.13 | pclover | oh what version of glibc does debian 8 use |
| 03:44.16 | pclover | to lazy to look |
| 03:44.18 | pclover | too |
| 03:44.19 | somiaj | ,v libc6 |
| 03:44.20 | judd | Package: libc6 on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.11.3-4; squeeze-security-lts: 2.11.3-4+deb6u5; wheezy: 2.13-38+deb7u6; wheezy-proposed-updates: 2.13-38+deb7u8; wheezy-security: 2.13-38+deb7u8; jessie: 2.19-18; stretch: 2.19-18; sid: 2.19-18; experimental: 2.21-0experimental0 |
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| 03:44.46 | ipv6_issues | how can i view a server's ssh fingerprint? |
| 03:44.57 | ipv6_issues | i'm trying to verify on another connection |
| 03:45.05 | pclover | so 2.19 thanks |
| 03:45.31 | somiaj | ipv6_issues: is this one that you have in your .known_hosts or trying to verify the idenity of an unknown machine? |
| 03:45.45 | ipv6_issues | somiaj: known_hosts |
| 03:45.57 | GreeningGalaxy | now I'm having a problem with unicode input. You're supposed to be able to use control-shift-u and then type the codepoint, aren't you? |
| 03:46.00 | somiaj | ipv6_issues: sorry, yea, .ssh/known_hosts |
| 03:46.08 | GreeningGalaxy | gnome website says you can, but I cannot. |
| 03:47.02 | GreeningGalaxy | looks like Compose keys are working fine, but I would really just like to be able to enter characters by unicode address |
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| 03:47.26 | somiaj | ipv6_issues: I did see ssh-keyscan, it may do what you want. |
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| 03:48.46 | GreeningGalaxy | ah, think i found it. GTK_IM_MODULE=gtk-im-context-simple |
| 03:48.54 | GreeningGalaxy | gonna relog to try that i guess |
| 03:51.35 | ipv4hermit | somiaj: yeah it doesn't seem too out of this world, I found sysvinit to systemd cheat sheets online which kind of puts my mind at ease. As long as I can get my containers/VMs I'll be a happy camper |
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| 04:40.16 | q1776 | a |
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| 04:43.18 | q1776 | Do all W-2 Forms have this format? http://blogs-images.forbes.com/kellyphillipserb/files/2014/02/W2.png I heard W2s look different depending on your employer's payroll service etc. but I can't find any W2s that looks different then this one. |
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| 04:46.10 | dvs | q1776: You're a bit late |
| 04:46.18 | q1776 | yeah i know |
| 04:46.21 | q1776 | i didnt file in time |
| 04:46.29 | q1776 | though do all w2s look like that? |
| 04:46.38 | q1776 | i cant find any that look different |
| 04:46.42 | q1776 | then the one provided by the irs |
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| 04:49.52 | Angel_ | most use that q1776 as its easiest to use the provided template so they KNOW they'll not run afoul of the law |
| 04:50.36 | q1776 | are you sure? have you gotten copies of your w2s before from different companies |
| 04:50.40 | q1776 | ive never filed a tax return |
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| 04:50.43 | q1776 | i just want to make sure |
| 04:50.56 | caioau | hello from brazil, when I got new mail, i get a "notification" on terminal (using postfix) . how to do that with exim ? thanks |
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| 04:51.56 | somiaj | q1776: this is not a tax support channel. |
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| 04:52.28 | q1776 | sorry |
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| 04:52.55 | dvs | audits somiaj |
| 04:53.58 | q1776 | haha |
| 04:54.09 | somiaj | calisto: it is your shell that does this not the server. Do you use bash? check out the enviorment variable MAILPATH |
| 04:54.28 | somiaj | calisto: it might just be they store their mail at different locations |
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| 06:51.50 | TengokuNoIsan | How do I upgrade Debian 7 to Debian 8? |
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| 06:54.48 | ZIPY | sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list <-- change change all from wheezy to jessie and then do and update & upgrade |
| 06:55.18 | ZIPY | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:55.23 | ZIPY | for more info |
| 06:56.14 | TengokuNoIsan | ty |
| 06:56.28 | fivetwentysix | l |
| 06:56.29 | themill | TengokuNoIsan: you start by reading the release notes. |
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| 06:58.06 | rozie | TengokuNoIsan: https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/i386/release-notes/ |
| 06:58.19 | rozie | (or amd64...) |
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| 07:21.15 | jasabella | hi :) is it possible to use the x86 tools to chroot to an arm install and install extra packages? |
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| 07:22.12 | verri_ | if you have the proper cross-compiling setup, it might work |
| 07:22.39 | jasabella | what if i download the deb first? |
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| 07:23.09 | jasabella | basically invoke dpkg with chroot |
| 07:23.30 | ZIPY | does someone know how to show date + seconds on the gnome clock? |
| 07:24.51 | verri_ | but normally you won't be able to enter the chroot to begin with, since your bash will be compiled for arm |
| 07:25.03 | verri_ | maybe you can chroot with a qemu instance? |
| 07:25.06 | verri_ | I haven't tried that yet |
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| 07:27.15 | weffa | ciao |
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| 07:31.11 | themill | jasabella: the qemu static packages let you do that -- you need to copy the relevant qemu static binary into the chroot and then you can get chroot to exec the qemu static binary inside the chroot and everything works (albeit at qemu emulation speed) |
| 07:32.59 | themill | jasabella: https://wiki.debian.org/QemuUserEmulation (you don't actually need to do the middle multiarch section, just the beginning and end) |
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| 07:47.49 | Fjorgynn | :) |
| 07:47.52 | Name141 | !install chromium |
| 07:47.58 | Name141 | Hm |
| 07:48.01 | Fjorgynn | superfast: what? |
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| 07:48.38 | babilen | Name141: Are you interested in learning how to install packages on Debian? |
| 07:49.09 | Fjorgynn | so I am still asking if someone else have that problem with Chromium I had yesterday in my VM Virtualbox where all mouse stuff was borked |
| 07:49.16 | Name141 | babilen: the equivalent of Chrome |
| 07:49.18 | Name141 | yes |
| 07:49.42 | Fjorgynn | yes what? |
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| 07:50.17 | babilen | Name141: http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.apt-get.html |
| 07:50.46 | Fjorgynn | sl is the most important program to install btw |
| 07:50.58 | Fjorgynn | if you like trains |
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| 07:51.39 | babilen | Name141: I'd recommend to read that chapter/section. Tools such as apt-get and aptitude have an "install" command that takes the package name as argument so it boils down to "{aptitude,apt-get} install chromium" in your case |
| 07:52.02 | Fjorgynn | don't forget update |
| 07:52.07 | Name141 | babilen: https://wiki.debian.org/Chromium |
| 07:52.15 | Name141 | seems it's chromium chromium-l10n |
| 07:52.23 | babilen | It is indeed |
| 07:52.29 | babilen | dpkg: tell Name141 -about search |
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| 07:53.37 | Fjorgynn | but chromium is a meta package |
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| 07:54.03 | Fjorgynn | l10 is a language package |
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| 07:54.30 | Fjorgynn | aptitude show chromium-l10n |
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| 07:59.17 | superfast | Which VPN product do you use? Fjorgynn |
| 07:59.21 | superfast | I dpm |
| 07:59.25 | superfast | sorry |
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| 08:00.30 | Fjorgynn | do you mean vpn to my own servers or to an external service? |
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| 08:01.06 | superfast | Privacy OpenVPN providers - external ones / commercial providers |
| 08:03.52 | babilen | openvpn |
| 08:04.21 | superfast | openvpn is not a provider right? |
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| 08:04.49 | Fjorgynn | gp.sesrsly I have great påroblems with chromium in mate |
| 08:04.59 | babilen | OpenVPN is software .. I don't quite see how "providers of VPN solutions" are relevant for #debian. |
| 08:06.41 | superfast | just wondering if there is one common among debian users |
| 08:06.41 | Fjorgynn | so yesterday I installed chromium in Debian 8 mate and I can't get any mouse buttons to work correctly, it works fine in Firefox/Iceweasel |
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| 08:19.36 | Fjorgynn | Chromium 42.0.2311.135 sucks hard |
| 08:19.43 | Fjorgynn | doesn't work on two of my installations |
| 08:20.47 | Fjorgynn | in Jessie |
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| 08:23.51 | siiiilky | Hi all |
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| 08:24.24 | siiiilky | I have a bunch of debian wheezy servers sitting on ESX, if i apt-get upgrade to latest kernel they don't boot anymore |
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| 08:24.35 | siiiilky | also upgrading to jessie results in no boot |
| 08:24.49 | siiiilky | grub loads, start kenel, stops after booting kernel message |
| 08:24.54 | siiiilky | any ideas? |
| 08:25.13 | siiiilky | fresh install of jessie works fine btw |
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| 08:26.48 | Fjorgynn | any error messages? |
| 08:27.21 | siiiilky | nope just stops |
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| 08:27.36 | siiiilky | restore via veeam to before kernel upgrade and they boot again |
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| 08:28.28 | Fjorgynn | siiiilky: you mean even with the latest wheezy kernel? |
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| 08:29.12 | siiiilky | yes, if I apt upgrade, it installs new kernel |
| 08:29.16 | siiiilky | its at this point they stop booting |
| 08:30.24 | Fjorgynn | and no error messages if you look at it booting? |
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| 08:30.55 | siiiilky | no, grub screen, then solid cursor |
| 08:30.58 | siiiilky | in recovery mode |
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| 08:31.06 | siiiilky | loading initrd |
| 08:31.07 | siiiilky | then stops |
| 08:31.46 | siiiilky | i could install freshh jessies then migrate them :( but that'll take a lot of time :) |
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| 08:57.48 | rootkea | sudo not respecting /etc/sudoers. /etc/environment: http://paste.debian.net/170960 /etc/sudoers: http://paste.debian.net/170961/ . `sudo` does not carry over the environment even after adding `Defaults env_keep += "ftp_proxy http_proxy https_proxy no_proxy"` to /etc/sudoers (the recommended way according to arch wiki). |
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| 08:57.51 | rootkea | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Sudo#Environment_variables |
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| 08:58.56 | rootkea | Why's so? Please help! |
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| 09:02.55 | smatchcube | Hello everyone I have a question : I'm trying to install the debian 8 netinst on my computer but during the installaion it stay stuck at 33% during the formating of my DD. Someone can help me please ? |
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| 09:03.53 | rootkea | smatchcube: check vt4 |
| 09:04.03 | rootkea | What messages do you see there? |
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| 09:05.00 | valdyn | rootkea: env_reset (line 9) clears your $http_proxy |
| 09:05.36 | rootkea | valdyn: So should I comment that line? |
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| 09:06.49 | valdyn | rootkea: who added that env_keep stuff? you? |
| 09:07.26 | rootkea | valdyn: Yes. From arch wiki. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Sudo#Environment_variables |
| 09:07.52 | rootkea | valdyn: And No. It's giving the same error even after commenting out the line 9. |
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| 09:09.55 | valdyn | rootkea: test your variables with "sudo printenv http_proxy" |
| 09:10.39 | anddam | I'm looking at the various rxvt packages available |
| 09:10.49 | rootkea | valdyn: prompt quietly returned. Nothing happened |
| 09:11.02 | anddam | is there a "RXVT's Choicer Guide"? |
| 09:11.16 | valdyn | rootkea: so your env_keep does not do what you think it does.... |
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| 09:11.35 | valdyn | rootkea: printenv http_proxy (without sudo) shows the proxy? |
| 09:11.44 | anddam | I guess I want a unicode one, mrxvt has multi tabbing that is nice but doesn't show unicode inname or description |
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| 09:16.08 | rootkea_ | valdyn: `$ printenv http_proxy` does nothing while `# printenv http_proxy` shows http://192.168.6.254:3128 |
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| 09:18.25 | rootkea_ | valdyn: I got disconnected. You there? |
| 09:18.42 | valdyn | rootkea_: yea |
| 09:18.57 | valdyn | rootkea_: you used visudo? |
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| 09:19.30 | valdyn | rootkea_: is there anything in /etc/sudoers.d/ ? |
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| 09:23.27 | valdyn | rootkea: commenting out line 9 of course does exactly nothing, because it is the default |
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| 09:25.35 | smatchcubr | Hello, i ckeck my vt4 during the installaion ( stuck at 33%) and the last line is "found a dos partition table in dev/sdb5" someone can help me please ? Ty |
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| 09:41.30 | zhivatma | guys, I am seeking for a cron package alternative without exim4 and other large packages, what would recommend ? |
| 09:42.16 | valdyn | zhivatma: standard cron. It does not need exim |
| 09:42.28 | dArk4psyco | has anyobody tightvncserver on debian jessie gnome running? |
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| 09:43.07 | valdyn | zhivatma: it needs mail-transport-agent, which you can provide various various large or small alternatives to exim |
| 09:43.14 | dArk4psyco | i can not run a vnc session |
| 09:43.19 | dArk4psyco | only grey screen |
| 09:43.45 | zhivatma | valdyn, ah, so i need tiny mail transport |
| 09:43.47 | valdyn | zhivatma: or actually, it just recommends one, so uh, install it whithout recommends |
| 09:44.39 | valdyn | zhivatma: its still a good idea to enable cron to tell you when something went wrong |
| 09:44.45 | valdyn | zhivatma: which is done by mail |
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| 09:46.42 | zhivatma | valdyn, I think I need tiny local mail system for cron, but not exim |
| 09:47.23 | valdyn | zhivatma: as i said, strictly you can use cron without mail, but its good to have it |
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| 09:47.44 | zhivatma | valdyn, I think xmail will do the job |
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| 09:48.09 | valdyn | zhivatma: yes |
| 09:48.22 | valdyn | Provides: finger-server, mail-transport-agent, pop3-server |
| 09:48.46 | rootkea | When I had GNOME on my Jessie I couldn't see UNICODE chars on google.co.in properly so someone on #debian suggested me to install `fonts-freefont-ttf` and the problem was solved. But now I have freshly installed Jessie with Xfce and I am seeing google.co.in as http://i.imgur.com/2YGr5HT.png?1 |
| 09:49.36 | valdyn | rootkea: so freefont is missing again |
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| 09:50.46 | zhivatma | valdyn, thank you |
| 09:50.46 | rootkea | Even though I have installed `fonts-freefont-ttf`. The google.co.in should look like https://www.browserstack.com/screenshots/0cee3a7d64494b2bfa2f5c7826d161e91e4decce/thumb_win8.1_firefox_30.0.jpg |
| 09:51.24 | valdyn | rootkea: install unifont |
| 09:51.30 | rootkea | valdyn: No. I have already installed `fonts-freefont-ttf` keeping in mind previous experience |
| 09:51.33 | zhivatma | valdyn, ssmtp even better :) |
| 09:52.48 | valdyn | rootkea: for *whatever* reason freefont does not have all glyphs but unifont does have all glyphs |
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| 09:53.10 | valdyn | rootkea: for *another* unknown reason some glyphs in unifont look like shit (or are broken) |
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| 09:53.30 | valdyn | rootkea: so you need both, and fortunately iceweasel uses freefont over unifont where possible |
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| 09:55.02 | rootkea | valdyn: Ok, Installing now. |
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| 09:56.38 | zhivatma | teraflop, yes, ssmtp is enough |
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| 09:56.48 | teraflop | Uhm |
| 09:57.00 | zhivatma | teraflop, vps |
| 09:57.06 | valdyn | when the webbrowser is 1G and and mta is 50kb, then there's still people who want to optimise the mta ;) |
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| 09:57.53 | rootkea | valdyn,Not perfect after installing unifont. See the difference screenshot after unifont http://i.imgur.com/BDKvARD.png?1 and standard https://www.browserstack.com/screenshots/0cee3a7d64494b2bfa2f5c7826d161e91e4decce/thumb_win8.1_firefox_30.0.jpg |
| 09:57.56 | anddam | valdyn: purge that unnecessary 4096 B from there! |
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| 09:58.26 | valdyn | rootkea: that image is to tiny |
| 09:58.30 | jelly | teraflop: exim is needlessly complex if just LDA is needed. But I'm not sure what zhivatma actually needs, since ssmtp doesn't do local delivery |
| 09:58.32 | anddam | teraflop: what terminal are you using? I put that Xresources you kindly gave me only to figure it out that lxterminal uses pango |
| 09:58.47 | anddam | btw is there any way I can "theme" a program using pango? |
| 09:58.51 | anddam | like a config file |
| 09:58.51 | zhivatma | yes, I will deliver all logs to remote host |
| 09:59.01 | zhivatma | *mails |
| 09:59.15 | teraflop | jelly: Who knows ... |
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| 09:59.42 | rootkea | valdyn: Sorry https://www.browserstack.com/screenshots/96f238d35dc5eda29c8c6ddaa5a8b257e4503cfd/win8.1_firefox_30.0.png |
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| 10:00.40 | anddam | I see mrxvt package doesn't ahve a .desktop entry while rxvt-unicode does, is that on purpose or just lackiing of maintaining-horsepower? |
| 10:01.10 | rootkea | valdyn: see third from the beginning and third from the end. |
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| 10:01.36 | valdyn | rootkea: yes, different style |
| 10:01.48 | valdyn | rootkea: but seems like readable to me |
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| 10:03.10 | valdyn | rootkea: the latin characters are different too |
| 10:03.14 | rootkea | Why is the difference when on GNOME yesterday after installing freefont I could see unicode chars perfectly. (I actually unistalled unifont then to check the explicity of freefont and unicode chars on google.co.in) |
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| 10:03.59 | rootkea | valdyn, Looks like GNOME has some default font installed which Xfce doesn't has. which one is it? |
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| 10:04.16 | valdyn | rootkea: thats not entirely correct |
| 10:04.24 | valdyn | rootkea: both use the same font subsystem |
| 10:04.43 | valdyn | rootkea: but xfce gtk theme may be different |
| 10:05.08 | rootkea | But I am using the same OS. Lookignat exact same url. Only differnce is of Desktop Environment |
| 10:05.11 | teraflop | anddam: i use termite. You cannot use termite in debÃÂan. It is a pango one. No idea if lxtermnal pulls from xresouces |
| 10:05.12 | valdyn | rootkea: but your screenshots are comparing windows 8 to debian it seems to me |
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| 10:06.48 | teraflop | I.mean you cannot use in debÃÂñian because of pango. You cannot use because it uses a patched vte3 |
| 10:07.28 | rootkea | valdyn: Yeah. Unfortunately browserstack doesn't has debian. But yesterday too when I was using GNOME I was comapring with firefox on Windows. And after installing freefont they was totally identical |
| 10:07.40 | rootkea | *were |
| 10:07.54 | rootkea | So what's different with Xfce? |
| 10:08.46 | teraflop | Damn i cannot communicate in a silly phone ... Sorry |
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| 10:09.47 | valdyn | apt-get install ttf-indic-fonts |
| 10:10.01 | valdyn | http://mr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%B9%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%AF%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AF:Setup_For_Devanagari/Linux#Debian_Linux |
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| 10:12.50 | teraflop | anddam: oh. what i gave you it is not a xresurces it is just the hex values for the color scheme i use |
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| 10:15.09 | rootkea | valdyn: Perfect! Thank you! BTW anything regarding sudo and /etc/sudoers ? |
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| 10:19.32 | anddam | teraflop: lxtermina doesn't pull from Xresources exactly because it's pango |
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| 10:19.38 | anddam | teraflop: yes, I figured |
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| 10:20.09 | anddam | I'm actually setting URxvt*color X resources for urxvt but the spawned terminal doesn't reflect the file |
| 10:20.21 | anddam | is Xresources loaded once per X session? |
| 10:21.05 | teraflop | anddam: i have the same color scheme in gnome-terminal, about lxterminal just forgive my ignorance never used that |
| 10:21.44 | unborn | morning.. does anyone know how to setup my laptop to not hibernate when I close laptop lid? via ssh please. thanks. |
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| 10:22.20 | anddam | teraflop: don't worry, it's just me figuring out programs to which I'm not used |
| 10:22.26 | anddam | teraflop: why the gnome-terminal reference? |
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| 10:22.52 | teraflop | anddam: because it has a color picker thing in the user profiles |
| 10:23.00 | maxvi | I installed sendmail under root but I can get sendmail under "user". Anyboby know how to fix it? |
| 10:23.09 | anddam | teraflop: ok but now I have to tame the urxvt |
| 10:23.52 | teraflop | anddam: ah, ok |
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| 10:24.43 | anddam | teraflop: this is my ~/.Xresources files |
| 10:24.45 | anddam | https://gist.github.com/anddam/f993481b570d8e041a00 |
| 10:24.51 | anddam | from your theme |
| 10:26.24 | teraflop | anddam: does that work? |
| 10:26.29 | anddam | nope |
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| 10:28.11 | anddam | getting white backgroun with black foeround |
| 10:28.13 | anddam | fg |
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| 10:29.25 | teraflop | anddam: im not used to *rxvt things but aren't colours specified as in : XTerm.color0: #000000 , XTerm.color2: #aece92 , one per line? |
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| 10:30.31 | anddam | that's for xterm |
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| 10:31.42 | anddam | ah "After you make a change to your ~/.Xdefaults or ~/.Xresources file you will need to reload it with: xrdb ~/.Xdefaults and then close rxvt and reopen." |
| 10:31.49 | anddam | there's a session db |
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| 10:32.34 | anddam | yep |
| 10:34.14 | teraflop | anddam: oh I see i think you can use XTerm.color color too, but your color snippet looks ok for me |
| 10:34.31 | anddam | yes, I was missing the xrdb |
| 10:34.34 | anddam | bit* |
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| 10:36.32 | teraflop | ah, on the fly, yes xrdb -merge file |
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| 10:38.54 | anddam | mmm this is not good I cannot past clipboard from a gtk program in urxvt |
| 10:38.57 | anddam | this is a dealbreaker |
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| 10:39.19 | anddam | ctrl-V and ctrl-shift-V don't work |
| 10:41.20 | teraflop | anddam: yes you can, with xsel/xclip |
| 10:42.04 | anddam | how? binding a subshell to xsel? |
| 10:42.15 | anddam | I'm in rxvt in a tmux session over ssh |
| 10:42.26 | paci8 | hi. I'd like a clarification on Debian policy. If a package in stable is broken (missing basic functionality, but no security issues) will it be updated in the "jessie" repo, or since packages in stable don't get updated, in the "jessie-updates" or "jessie-proposed-updates" repos? |
| 10:42.34 | anddam | honestly this isn't the UX I expect when I want to use a system rather than tinkering with it |
| 10:42.51 | anddam | I'd be sold on GNUstep, except it's pretty slow |
| 10:43.03 | paci8 | In this case, in which one? |
| 10:43.22 | anddam | I'll switch terminal to something gnome-ish |
| 10:43.48 | anddam | since I'm already on lxde (gtk) |
| 10:43.55 | anddam | teraflop: why cannot I use termite on debian? |
| 10:44.21 | themill | paci8: yes, it can be updated through jessie-proposed-updates if there is an important bug filed and fixed and someone does the work to sort it all out |
| 10:44.44 | teraflop | anddam: i used to do so with some perl thingy, I dont use rxvt things since ages ago |
| 10:44.58 | teraflop | anddam: because it uses a vte3 patched |
| 10:45.28 | teraflop | anddam: im sure ypu can copy paste in *rxvt just do a simple google seach |
| 10:45.53 | paci8 | themill: The bug has been fixed in unstable. Won't it make its way in jessie-updates, at least in the next point release? |
| 10:45.59 | themill | paci8: no |
| 10:46.58 | anddam | teraflop: that's where I saw the xclip subshell bind |
| 10:47.11 | anddam | like type $(xsel ...) |
| 10:47.16 | teraflop | anddam: gnome-terminal is a good choice if you ask me ... |
| 10:47.17 | anddam | honestly I don't like this |
| 10:47.35 | anddam | teraflop: I'll check it hoping it doesn't drag too many deps |
| 10:47.46 | paci8 | themill: I suppose this is because it has to be tested in proposed-updates, but after it is, it could go in jessie-updates, or not? |
| 10:47.49 | anddam | ofc I'd like to show a screenshot of the terminal but I'm not able to paste here |
| 10:48.06 | anddam | https://dl.dropbox.com/s/chjtyex7e9at5aq/Screenshot%20from%202015-05-03%2012%3A37%3A12.jpg |
| 10:48.21 | themill | paci8: no, it can go into jessie-proposed-updates and then into jessie but that is if and only if someone does the work to make this happen |
| 10:48.43 | teraflop | anddam: heh |
| 10:48.47 | teraflop | anddam: http://a.pomf.se/uuzzsr.png |
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| 10:49.56 | paci8 | themill: yes, of course this is all manual work, but should everything go well, will it go in jessie or in jessie-updates? I thought there were no updates in the jessie repo |
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| 10:50.33 | themill | paci8: jessie-proposed-updates and then jessie as I have already said. |
| 10:50.39 | teraflop | anddam: is that urxvt? damn i cant stand chars being so sepparated and the lack of real unicode support, that's a personal opinion i dont want to start a flame |
| 10:50.52 | paci8 | ok then, sorry for my stubborness :) |
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| 10:53.36 | Fjorgynn | is the installer lvm/luks good? |
| 10:54.36 | chdrsto | Is ti recommendet to participate on the debconf even if you're not a developer or a super technical specialist? |
| 10:55.20 | teraflop | chdrsto: you can go to take a walk enjoy the company and buy t-shirts too! |
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| 10:57.30 | ipv4hermit | suggestions? |
| 10:57.40 | chdrsto | teraflop: I live close to germany and I'm interested ... unfortunately I'm a little affraid that i will more disturb than participate |
| 10:57.43 | ipv4hermit | hey guys, just installed jessie on new PC. I'm unable to poweroff the system. I tried using "poweroff", "shutdown -h now", and "systemctl poweroff" but the system reboots instead of powering off. |
| 10:57.51 | teraflop | chdrsto: nah |
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| 10:58.42 | superfast | how do you see Networking Info in Gnome 3.14? |
| 10:58.53 | siiiilky | ipv4hermit: does 'halt' work |
| 10:59.18 | teraflop | superfast: it depends on the network manage you use |
| 10:59.24 | teraflop | manager* |
| 10:59.44 | superfast | It was simple before, just right click and information |
| 11:00.16 | teraflop | superfast: again I do not know what n manager are you using |
| 11:00.40 | superfast | teraflop, I am using Debian Default Installation |
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| 11:02.14 | anddam | teraflop: yep that is, I picked it since I don't know better |
| 11:02.25 | anddam | I just looked for "lightweight terminal emulator unicode" |
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| 11:03.21 | teraflop | superfast: just guessing, what does `ps xa | grep network` says |
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| 11:22.58 | halt | Hi all, again I'm hunting for an simple way to find the latest ami id for the debian 64bit image on cli, can someone point me to the right direction please ? |
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| 11:31.45 | ConqueredWarrior | Hello |
| 11:32.02 | valdyn | https://wiki.debian.org/Cloud/AmazonEC2Image |
| 11:32.02 | ConqueredWarrior | I am most likely migrate to a fresh installed debian machine |
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| 11:32.21 | ConqueredWarrior | is there a way to backup the list of packages I've installed, so I can reinstall them later on the new machine? |
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| 11:32.33 | ConqueredWarrior | the apt-get install list |
| 11:32.43 | valdyn | !clone debian |
| 11:32.48 | valdyn | !debian clone |
| 11:32.48 | dpkg | One method of cloning Debian installs is to take a current Debian machine that is set up with the packages you want and run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ~/selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". Also ask me about <aptitude clone>, <reinstall>, <things to backup> <apt-clone>. |
| 11:32.52 | valdyn | ConqueredWarrior: ^^ |
| 11:33.18 | ConqueredWarrior | thank you valdyn |
| 11:33.29 | ConqueredWarrior | !aptitude clone |
| 11:33.30 | dpkg | To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search --disable-columns -F%p '~i!~M!~v' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>, <debian clone>, <apt-clone>. |
| 11:33.39 | siiiilky | i had to do same thing eralier, i just googled |
| 11:33.43 | siiiilky | and got the same answer |
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| 11:34.10 | ConqueredWarrior | why is it easier to do it using dpkg than using aptitude? |
| 11:34.54 | ConqueredWarrior | the man page says that apt is a high leve interface to dpkg? |
| 11:36.19 | babilen | What do you mean by "easier" ? I'd use aptitude for this. |
| 11:36.38 | ConqueredWarrior | the command is more complex, doesn't seem as easier to understand what all the flags do |
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| 11:37.05 | babilen | Yes, it is more complex because it preserves information about automatically installed packages. |
| 11:37.41 | ConqueredWarrior | why do you need that information? apt resolves dependendcies and stuff? |
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| 11:39.10 | babilen | Both apt-get and aptitude perform dependency resolution, yes. That information is mostly important when you remove packages and the tools try to decide which packages can be removed along with them. (i.e. no longer needed dependencies) |
| 11:39.31 | babilen | Not sure what "stuff" comprises, but I guess they do that too |
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| 11:47.12 | ipv4hermit | hey guys, just installed jessie on new PC. I'm unable to poweroff the system. I tried using "poweroff", "shutdown -h now", and "systemctl poweroff" but the system reboots instead of powering off. |
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| 11:48.08 | stackfault | ipv4hermit: do 'sync;reboot -f' |
| 11:49.06 | stackfault | ipv4hermit: Is it an upgrade? |
| 11:49.11 | ipv4hermit | fresh install |
| 11:49.34 | stackfault | ipv4hermit, ohh thats a different thing. You tried 'halt'? |
| 11:49.52 | ipv4hermit | yes |
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| 11:50.09 | halt | well well :) try me |
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| 11:52.05 | koi1 | jo |
| 11:52.07 | stackfault | ipv4hermit, sorry I tought it was something else I encountered couple days ago. Might be related to a setting in your bios or something. But I don't have an 'out of the box' suggestion. |
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| 11:55.57 | ipv4hermit | seems to be wake-on-lan configuration |
| 11:56.12 | ipv4hermit | i enabled it in BIOS |
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| 12:00.35 | tmhind2 | hi, what's is better lvm or partitioning a 1TB drive for just debian |
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| 12:01.22 | tremon | tmhind2: you need partitioning anyway, otherwise your system won't be able to boot. But I use lvm on all my systems |
| 12:02.28 | tmhind2 | tremon: so 1 patition for boot and another for lvm |
| 12:02.45 | tmhind2 | or should i say the rest |
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| 12:03.10 | uumax | what is the currect php version on jessie ? |
| 12:03.16 | uumax | the sable packages offical |
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| 12:04.28 | stackfault | ipv4hermit: this makes sense |
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| 12:06.38 | tremon | tmhind2: that would work, yes. I prefer to use 3 partitions, boot, system and data, but that's more because I use different raid levels underneath. If you have only one disk, a single volume group is just as good |
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| 12:08.16 | ipv4hermit | stackfault: so I will not be able to use wake-on-lan? |
| 12:08.35 | tmhind2 | tremon: i'm interested in getting into kvm and maybe a few other things, in the past i used a 40GB drive now i am just overwhelmed with 1TB |
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| 12:10.45 | stackfault | ipv4hermit: The exact problem might be a little different, there might be settings on the kermel regarding acpi that could cause this as well. It's all hardware dependant. I've seen acpi=noirq as a good solution to this for some people. |
| 12:10.55 | suitsmeveryfine | Hi! I'm trying install Debian 8 on Olinuxino A20 Lime 2 using the image A20-OLinuXino-Lime2.sdcard.img but I get neither HDMI nor serial output (in GNU screen). What am I doing wrong? |
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| 12:22.52 | somiaj | suitsmeveryfine: That dosen't sound like an offical debian image but something provided for that paticular hardware. I think it would be more appropriate to ask the creater of the image. |
| 12:24.27 | tremon | tmhind2: you need to decide for yourself if you might ever want to use separate storage for some of your data. lvm allows for almost all operations to happen online, but splitting a volume group requires downtime |
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| 12:26.55 | tmhind2 | tremon: appreciate your time and information, thanks |
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| 12:29.06 | suitsmeveryfine | somiaj: no, it's an official image, but I'm getting some help now from #linux-sunxi now. Thanks |
| 12:29.52 | Night_Elf | Hi all. I have xen setup on debian 7 with xcp-xapi. I have managed to connect XenCenter to it but I can't get a console on dom0 (have not yet tried with domU). I see there's mention of this around the internet but I haven't found any set solution. Where can I find out more about this? |
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| 12:48.33 | uumax | guys is it bad if i don't use the official stable package but the official page relase ? like nginx |
| 12:49.19 | PiArKid_ | good morning |
| 12:49.32 | dvs | uumax: what the heck is a "page release" |
| 12:49.45 | SirLagz | uumax: not really an issue as long as you don't ask for support for the package from Debian |
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| 12:50.06 | SirLagz | uumax: if you're going to do that, be prepared to troubleshoot your own install |
| 12:50.09 | uumax | dvs :D like the ver 1.9 package is only 1.6 |
| 12:50.24 | dvs | ,v nginx |
| 12:50.25 | judd | Package: nginx on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.7.67-3+squeeze3; squeeze-security: 0.7.67-3+squeeze3; squeeze-security-lts: 0.7.67-3+squeeze4; squeeze-backports: 1.2.1-2.2~bpo60+2; wheezy-security: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy3; wheezy: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy3; wheezy-backports: 1.6.2-5~bpo70+1; sid: 1.6.2-5; stretch: 1.6.2-5; jessie: 1.6.2-5; experimental: 1.6.2-5+a.exp1 |
| 12:50.29 | Amun_Ra | I know exim guys really don't like debian split configs :> |
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| 12:50.59 | dvs | ah stretch showed up |
| 12:51.22 | SirLagz | for some reason, stretch reminds of a really old distro...don't know why though |
| 12:51.28 | SirLagz | maybe stretch reminds me of sarge |
| 12:51.39 | Amun_Ra | sarge? |
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| 12:51.47 | dvs | !sarge |
| 12:51.47 | dpkg | Sarge is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 3.1, released June 6th, 2005. Sarge security support ended on 2008-03-31, this release is no longer supported. Sarge users should upgrade to Etch, ask me about <sarge->etch>. Removed from the mirrors; ask me about <sarge sources.list>, <sarge-backports>. Get old sarge ISOs here: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/3.1_r8/ http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSarge |
| 12:52.06 | dvs | 10 years old |
| 12:52.14 | SirLagz | wow, it's been that long |
| 12:52.19 | PiArKid_ | I installed Debian Jessie last week, but unfortunately after booting the screen is just black and it is not possible to CTRL + ALT + F1 to the console. There is obviously some kind of issue with the video card driver. I've tried booting using the recovery mode kernel, but unfortunately the problem remains |
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| 12:52.49 | PiArKid_ | is there any way that I can force the kernel to boot using a low graphics mode, just so I can get to the console to try and resolve the issue? |
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| 12:54.22 | Night_Elf | PiArKid_: I don't know about jessie, but I'd expect the default console to use the framebuffer. So a first step would be to disable that and see if it works by normal plain text console. |
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| 12:55.38 | tremon | PiArKid_: recent amd radeon card? |
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| 12:56.04 | PiArKid_ | ATI Radeon HD 5700 |
| 12:56.12 | PiArKid_ | about 5 years old? |
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| 12:57.31 | tremon | hmm, hd5700 should work fine even without nonfree firmware. Newer cards display nothing at all without it, which sounds like your symptom |
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| 12:57.58 | tremon | maybe try booting into rescue mode from the install disc, enable the non-free repo and install firmware-linux-nonfree nonetheless |
| 12:58.10 | rootkea | I am using Jessie + XFCE. I have muted all the sounds (Master, Speaker, Headphone etc.) from Audio Mixer. Then too I hear annoying notification alert bell whenever in Thunar (file manager) I press the an arrow key to go to nonexistent file. E.g. pressing right/down arrow when control is on the last file. So how do I turn of that bell? |
| 12:58.25 | tremon | PiArKid_: you might also try installing openssh-server and try to reach the machine over the network |
| 12:59.25 | PiArKid_ | yes, that would be a good option if I had another computer on my network |
| 12:59.31 | rootkea | I hear no sound from VLC as expected. VLC respectes settings changed in Audio Mixer. But what about that annoying aler bell? |
| 12:59.38 | PiArKid_ | unless I can find an ssh client for my ipad lol |
| 12:59.42 | dvs | rootkea: ban the pcspkr module? |
| 12:59.56 | suitsmeveryfine | Hi again! I believe the images on the following URLs are broken. In any case, there are no md5s which there should be, right? http://d-i.debian.org/daily-images/armhf/daily/u-boot/A20-OLinuXino-Lime2/ http://d-i.debian.org/daily-images/armhf/daily/netboot/SD-card-images/ |
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| 13:00.38 | suitsmeveryfine | The guide Installing Debian on Allwinner refers to them. See https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Allwinner |
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| 13:01.30 | tremon | PiArKid_: while in the rescue system, you could try to inspect /var/log/* (kern.log, Xorg.*.log and daemon.log probably) for obvious errors |
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| 13:06.29 | nbt | hi, does anyone know what command I could run to output a list of packages that have unapplied updates? |
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| 13:07.11 | nbt | I could do apt-get upgrade and then parse the output, but is there a way to list only the package names? |
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| 13:07.46 | tremon | aptitude search ~U |
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| 13:08.17 | rootkea | dvs: How do I do that? blacklist pcspkr? |
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| 13:08.34 | dvs | yes |
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| 13:10.19 | tremon | nbt: see the search term reference in aptitude-doc-$lang (table 2.3) |
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| 13:11.31 | tremon | of course, you should run aptitude update (or apt-get update) to get the correct results from the search |
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| 13:14.46 | uumax | so using the official deb's from nginx can cause me errors ? |
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| 13:15.46 | nbt | tremon: thanks |
| 13:16.07 | nbt | aptitude search ~U -F%p seems to do what I want |
| 13:16.55 | themill | nbt: you'd also want --disable-columns; but why do you want the list to then pass it to apt to upgrade? |
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| 13:32.02 | Newbie101 | hi! Question! I stupidly deleted the sda1 partition (ext2) which is my boot partition from the drive. Is there a way to recover it. I was thinking that I could install debian into an empty spot on the drive and then just add the grub for the old install, or some how with a rescue disk...thanks |
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| 13:33.19 | tremon | Newbie101: did you overwrite the data, or just delete the partition from the mbr? |
| 13:33.42 | Newbie101 | did it with gparted and applied the changes |
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| 13:36.59 | nbt | themill: I'm hacking up a custom update notifier to put on my xfce panel |
| 13:37.05 | nbt | using xfce4-genmon-plugin |
| 13:37.14 | nbt | it seems that xfce doesn't have a native update notifier |
| 13:37.15 | tremon | not sure what gparted does, but most likely your data is still there. All that is needed is to recreate the partition in the exact same place and you'll be fine. You can install testdisk and let it scan for the partition, or you can guess a few likely start positions and just try them with fdisk |
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| 13:37.18 | Night_Elf | Hi all. I have xen setup on debian 7 with xcp-xapi. I have managed to connect XenCenter to it but I can't get a console on dom0 (have not yet tried with domU). I see there's mention of this around the internet but I haven't found any set solution. Where can I find out more about this? |
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| 13:37.44 | nbt | I tried installing the update-notifier package, but it seems to have a lot of irrelevant dependencies like nautilus |
| 13:37.45 | themill | nbt: there are several xdg-compliant update notifiers already |
| 13:37.45 | nbt | so I'd rather not use it |
| 13:37.57 | nbt | themill: such as? |
| 13:38.18 | themill | and update-notifier doesn't depend on nautilus |
| 13:38.50 | MartinCleaver | I see: ---- End output of apt-get -q -y install postgresql=9.4+166.pgdg70+1 ---- |
| 13:38.50 | MartinCleaver | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:39.08 | Newbie101 | is anyone able to make a easiest fix for the problem? |
| 13:39.43 | tremon | Newbie101: installing testdisk and running a scan is probably the easiest solution. I have little experience with it though |
| 13:39.56 | nbt | themill: apt-get install update-notifier wants to install nautilus for some reason (and a load of other packages) |
| 13:40.03 | Newbie101 | thanks |
| 13:40.06 | Amun_Ra | Newbie101: reinstall _or_ install on temp hard drive, copy all the contents to the new /boot, chroot and make grub-install |
| 13:40.15 | themill | dpkg: tell nbt about apt-recommends |
| 13:40.16 | nbt | I guess it's a dependency of a dependency or something |
| 13:41.01 | tremon | yes, update-notifier in jessie pulls in gnome-packagekit (and probably half the gnome ecosystem by extension) |
| 13:41.05 | Newbie101 | right ok got it guys thanks, I was hoping debian recover utilities could fix this, but ok |
| 13:41.06 | Newbie101 | thanks |
| 13:42.16 | MartinCleaver | I understand this is because I use deb ftp://debian.mirror.iweb.ca/debian/ wheezy main instead of deb http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian stable main contrib in /etc/apt/sources.list and that I lack a GPG key |
| 13:42.30 | MartinCleaver | how do I get a GPG key for iweb.ca? |
| 13:42.51 | Amun_Ra | remembers old time when after all night of coding I mistook tune2fs -j with mk2fs -j … |
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| 13:43.16 | themill | MartinCleaver: it's not the debian key you lack but the one for the 3rd party postgresql repo |
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| 13:43.40 | MartinCleaver | oh! |
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| 13:48.52 | kyfho | hello I ran aptitude upgrade -y and /etc/os-release still shows 7.7 |
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| 13:49.00 | kyfho | isn't 8 the latest? |
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| 13:49.22 | dvs | kyfho: follow the release notes instructions |
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| 13:49.35 | D|nA | apt-get is recommended for upgrade |
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| 13:51.07 | zykotick9 | kyfho: see "/msg dpkg wheezy->jessie" for a starting point |
| 13:51.41 | MartinCleaver | themill: So - I found https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Apt/FAQ#GPG_error:_invalid_signatures which seemed to be the closest thing |
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| 13:52.10 | MartinCleaver | I deleted /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/apt.postgresql.org.gpg~ (there was nothing closer) |
| 13:52.24 | MartinCleaver | I get the same… |
| 13:52.28 | kyfho | hmm |
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| 13:53.03 | kyfho | https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#upgrading-full hmm |
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| 13:54.00 | dvs | kyfho: yeah, and you skipped the previous steps. |
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| 13:56.37 | dizzylizzy | Is there a program that could monitor a file for changes and send system mail with a diff if it does change? |
| 13:56.44 | dizzylizzy | or should I write a script with temporary files and the like |
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| 13:57.18 | MartinCleaver | themill: how did you figure it's a different repo causing the issue? |
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| 13:57.34 | Amun_Ra | dizzylizzy: entr - Run arbitrary commands when files change |
| 13:57.42 | Amun_Ra | dizzylizzy: (haven't tested it, tho) |
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| 13:58.09 | themill | dizzylizzy: inotifywait or inotifycron would be the starting point but you only get the notification after it is changed and you'd need to already have the old version cached. |
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| 13:58.20 | dizzylizzy | yeah |
| 13:58.24 | dizzylizzy | thanks you two! |
| 13:58.31 | themill | MartinCleaver: your error was asking about postgresql with a version string that was from their repo not Debian's |
| 13:59.02 | MartinCleaver | "postgresql=9.4+166.pgdg70+1" |
| 13:59.03 | MartinCleaver | ? |
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| 13:59.36 | themill | yes. pgdg70 is not something that the Debian packages include but it is what the postgresql repo includes |
| 13:59.48 | themill | ,v postgresql wheezy |
| 13:59.49 | judd | Package: postgresql on amd64 -- wheezy: 9.1+134wheezy4 |
| 13:59.52 | themill | ^^ compare |
| 14:00.11 | MartinCleaver | oh, I would not have guessed |
| 14:00.13 | MartinCleaver | thx |
| 14:00.53 | MartinCleaver | oh y - I see root@cmhaB:~# more /etc/apt/sources.list.d/apt.postgresql.org.list |
| 14:00.53 | MartinCleaver | deb http://apt.postgresql.org/pub/repos/apt wheezy-pgdg main 9.2 |
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| 14:02.03 | MartinCleaver | How do I add a key to trust that? |
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| 14:02.44 | tremon | MartinCleaver: https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Apt |
| 14:02.47 | themill | MartinCleaver: as described in that directory |
| 14:03.19 | tremon | ah yes, README :) |
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| 14:03.23 | uumax | will i have problems when i use the install from source from nginx website on debian ? instead of the official jessie nginx package |
| 14:03.39 | dvs | uumax: yes |
| 14:04.20 | MartinCleaver | hmm. No README on this server. |
| 14:04.23 | MartinCleaver | Anyway, thanks |
| 14:04.52 | tremon | MartinCleaver: http://apt.postgresql.org/pub/repos/apt/README ? |
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| 14:06.07 | uumax | dvs and the nginx official deb's ? |
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| 14:06.54 | themill | uumax: you are aware that 1.9.x is not designed for end-user deployment, aren't you? |
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| 14:07.34 | uumax | themill and which is ? 1.8? |
| 14:07.48 | themill | 1.6 and 1.8 are stable releases |
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| 14:08.32 | uumax | themill i found http://nginx.org/en/linux_packages.html the nginx deb's and i don't know if i should use this or from the jessie package install |
| 14:08.41 | uumax | themill how you have installed nginx ? |
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| 14:09.20 | themill | uumax: if you have to ask, don't start mixing in extra repositories from outside Debian |
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| 14:12.56 | Night_Elf | Has anyone been able to fix the "no dom0 console" oddity when setting up Xen on top of a Debian or Debian-based distro? I am at the point of trashing my installation and put XenServer and be done with all this. |
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| 14:14.13 | Night_Elf | These things should not be such complicated, for something like this, a standard install with basic functionality. |
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| 14:21.06 | tmh1999 | Hi guys, I am having a problem and I hope some guru here could help me :D I am using Debian8 on Dell laptop core i5 Nvidia GF 740M. After installing nvidia driver following : https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Debian_8_.22Jessie.22, Xorg doesn't work as it show a black screen with blinking cursor top left. I tried install xserver-xorg-dev, nvidia-glx, nvidia-xconfig and run #nvidia-xconfig to |
| 14:21.13 | tmh1999 | generate /etc/X11/xorg.conf, still not work. Here are my /var/log/Xorg.0.log : http://pastebin.com/vLwa5jJC |
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| 14:25.21 | tmh1999 | I am sorry. I am having bad Internet connection here. Not sure if my message got posted. I will post it again. |
| 14:25.24 | tmh1999 | Hi guys, I am having a problem and I hope some guru here could help me :D I am using Debian8 on Dell laptop core i5 Nvidia GF 740M. After installing nvidia driver following : https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Debian_8_.22Jessie.22, Xorg doesn't work as it show a black screen with blinking cursor top left. I tried install xserver-xorg-dev, nvidia-glx, nvidia-xconfig and run #nvidia-xconfig to |
| 14:25.29 | tmh1999 | generate /etc/X11/xorg.conf, still not work. Here are my /var/log/Xorg.0.log : http://pastebin.com/vLwa5jJC |
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| 14:26.24 | MartyH | I have a dual boot system, that doesn't boot anymore into Debian after installing some new hardware. I don't really particularly want to salvage the install. What's the best way to re-install? |
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| 14:27.22 | Scaniatrucker | tmhl1999: your video card not detected... |
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| 14:30.16 | tmh1999 | Scaniatrucker : #lscpi gives me this : 09:00.0 3D controller: NVIDIA Corporation GK208M [GeForce GT 740M] (rev a1) |
| 14:32.02 | tmh1999 | Scaniatrucker : I tried add BusID "PCI:9:0:0" to Section "Device" in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, it doesnt work. How can I make the OS to detect the video card ? |
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| 14:33.59 | Night_Elf | MartyH: I'd think boot via usb with the netinst or cd1 image and after the first minimal things you continue with online repositories. |
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| 14:34.47 | Scaniatrucker | tmhl1999: sorry, you can always use open source driver....by the way, look at 67 line in /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 14:34.50 | MartyH | thanks Night_Elf |
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| 14:35.32 | Night_Elf | MartyH: you're welcome |
| 14:37.20 | tmh1999 | Scaniatrucker : Can OS driver be installed along with CUDA ? I haven't tried it before though... I know the problem which is No devices detected, tried googling around, still cant find anything useful. |
| 14:39.05 | teraflop | uhm, I do gummiboot fine in jessie |
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| 14:39.57 | Scaniatrucker | tmhl1999: i think it impossible... |
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| 14:46.56 | Scaniatrucker | tmhl1999: correct me if i wrong, but you use bumblebee? If so, check this https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee#Installation and this http://www.x.org/wiki/FAQErrorMessages/ |
| 14:47.04 | uumax | why i can' log in as root root by ssh |
| 14:47.10 | uumax | on wheezy worked jessie not |
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| 14:47.32 | uumax | are there some changes related to ssh |
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| 14:48.15 | tmh1999 | Scaniatrucker : To be honest, I dont think I use BumbleBee. I follow the instruction in here : https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers for Debian Jessie. |
| 14:48.16 | zykotick9 | uumax: i'd say, allowing root login is a bad idea... gives attackers a known account. |
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| 14:49.06 | uumax | zykotick9 im local on virtual box no one will hack me but ty anyway |
| 14:49.25 | themill | uumax: many packages have a NEWS.Debian |
| 14:49.25 | Scaniatrucker | tmhl1999: it is very likely that your chipset isn't supported (yet). In this case you may try the vesa driver or - if this doesn't work - the vga driver. However both are entirely unaccellerated. |
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| 14:51.25 | tmh1999 | Scaniatrucker : No, my card is supported with Nvidia driver 340.65. See here : http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/340.65/README/supportedchips.html. Mine is Gefore 740M |
| 14:51.29 | Guest9903 | There seem to be a habbit for the command line ftp tool to corrupt files when moving them to a windows ftp. ASCII to Binary issue? Are there any way to avoid this? |
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| 14:51.51 | tremon | yes, don't use ftp |
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| 14:52.32 | Guest9903 | tremon: have any alternatives? |
| 14:52.36 | Guest9903 | Moving files to a windows ftp |
| 14:53.06 | tremon | either http file upload or an smb/cifs share would be better and most likely faster |
| 14:53.39 | tremon | sftp would be my recommended solution for a linux server, but I know of no sftp servers for windows |
| 14:53.42 | Scaniatrucker | It is very likely that your xorg.conf file doesn't contain the correct driver(s) for the chipset(s) in your system or that your chipset isn't supported by any of the drivers. |
| 14:53.42 | Scaniatrucker | You can check for the detected devices in the log file (in most cases /var/log/Xorg.0.log) by looking for lines like: |
| 14:53.42 | Scaniatrucker | (--) PCI:*(1:0:0) Neomagic Corporation NM2200 [MagicGraph 256AV] rev 32, Mem @ 0xfd000000/24, 0xfe800000/22, 0xfec00000/20 In this example the active video device (the one with the *) is a Neomagic NM2200 video chip. In order to get this chipset to work you'd have to use the neomagic driver. |
| 14:53.43 | Scaniatrucker | If you are using a distribution you should rerun its configuration tool. If there is no such tool, or if it keeps configuring your Xserver wrong you may want to try xorgcfg, the graphical tool shipped with Xorg. You can also let the server generate a config file: as root just run X -configure. |
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| 14:53.44 | shingouz | Guest9903: tell your ftp client to do the transfer in binary more |
| 14:54.26 | shingouz | s/more/mode/ |
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| 14:54.40 | Guest9903 | doesn't the linux ftp use binary by default? |
| 14:54.45 | Guest9903 | It's the windows ftp that use ASCII |
| 14:55.07 | xand | Guest9903: use a protocol that wasn't deprecated decades ago |
| 14:55.24 | uumax | how to enable root ssh access on the new jessie |
| 14:55.27 | ctmjr | tmh1999: is this an optimus laptop paste the output of lspci -nn | grep VGA |
| 14:55.36 | uumax | other user works but root wont |
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| 14:55.48 | dvs | uumax: because it's configured that way |
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| 14:56.08 | shingouz | Guest9903: scp works nicely, sftp is good too. the default depends on the client and the server combination. just set it to binary mode manually and see if it works |
| 14:56.12 | Scaniatrucker | tmhl1999: read this, chapter "No devices detected". http://www.x.org/wiki/FAQErrorMessages/ |
| 14:56.19 | tmh1999 | Scaniatrucker, my /var/log/Xorg.0.log line number 50 and 51 are [ 17.449] (--) PCI:*(0:0:2:0) 8086:0a16:1028:0616 rev 11, Mem @ 0xf1000000/4194304, 0xe0000000/268435456, I/O @ 0x00006000/64 |
| 14:56.19 | tmh1999 | [ 17.449] (--) PCI: (0:9:0:0) 10de:1292:1028:0616 rev 161, Mem @ 0xf0000000/16777216, 0xc0000000/268435456, 0xd0000000/33554432, I/O @ 0x00003000/128 |
| 14:56.29 | shingouz | !paste |
| 14:56.29 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 14:56.35 | tpw_rules | Scaniatrucker: i have no input on your problem, but +1 scania! |
| 14:56.45 | tmh1999 | Scaniatrucker it turns out that Intel is loaded ?! |
| 14:56.45 | uumax | dvs hmm i want full rights on my debian its only me locally no other guys will affect this is development project |
| 14:57.06 | uumax | dvs on the wheezy i remember i had no problems i could access ssh with the root |
| 14:57.09 | uumax | account |
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| 14:57.18 | themill | uumax: so change the configuration |
| 14:57.43 | tmh1999 | ctmjr : The output is : 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Haswell-ULT Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0b) |
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| 14:58.03 | xand | uumax: man sshd_config ... but be wary of that if the machine is internet-accessible |
| 14:58.12 | tmh1999 | ctmjr : To be honest, I dont really know if this laptop is a optimus or not :( |
| 14:58.17 | Scaniatrucker | tmhl1999: i think it is bumblebee |
| 14:58.30 | tpw_rules | is there a reason the installer recommends against leaving the root password blank? that's how i've always administered my home systems |
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| 14:59.47 | unborn | uumax, in debian 8 root via ssh is not allowed you need to change settings on target |
| 15:00.30 | ctmjr | tmh1999: well if you have an intel gpu and an nvidia gpu then it is an optimus laptop I do not have one but you can read this https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee |
| 15:00.37 | tmh1999 | Scaniatrucker, ctmjr : Okay the situation is like this. Yesterday I used Nvidia's CUDA RUN file to install both Nvidia driver + CUDA. Things run fine, driver + CUDA installed, but having the same black screen + blinking cursor like now. I reinstall Debian, install Debian's provided non-free Nvidia driver and having problem right now. |
| 15:01.10 | unborn | uumax, on target machine in terminal nano /etc/ssh/sshd_config and find line PermitRootLogin without-password and change it to PermitRootLogin yes then just restart ssh with command service ssh restart and you will be able to log in as root via ssh |
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| 15:02.27 | uumax | unborn oh nice i found it now ... i didn't know why i didn't see the sshd_config i saw only the ssh_config .. thanks i got it now |
| 15:02.31 | ctmjr | tmh1999: if you do not want to use the intel gpu I believe you can disable it in the bios, and debian will not see it |
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| 15:02.47 | unborn | uumax, you welcome |
| 15:03.26 | tmh1999 | ctmjr : I will try to see if that's possible with my BIOS... In case I have to go with Bumblebee, can I sill use CUDA ? |
| 15:03.32 | Scaniatrucker | tmhl1999: from where you got this file (sorry for my bad english), from official nvidia page? |
| 15:03.57 | tmh1999 | Scaniatrucker: Pardon me, which file you are mentioning ? |
| 15:04.22 | ctmjr | tmh1999: I have np idea |
| 15:04.49 | tmh1999 | Scaniatrucker: You meant RUN file ? Yes, from CUDA official site |
| 15:05.03 | tmh1999 | Scaniatrucker: http://developer.download.nvidia.com/compute/cuda/7_0/Prod/local_installers/cuda_7.0.28_linux.run |
| 15:06.20 | Scaniatrucker | tmhl1999: bad idea. Sorry, but i think you must reinstall system and for installation non-free driver use this manual https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee |
| 15:07.42 | tmh1999 | Scaniatrucker : Sure. I am perfectly fine with any choice (Bumblebee or disable Intel GPU) as long as I can my CUDA installed in my system ... |
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| 15:11.05 | uumax | i remember on wheezy the php ver was very old ... will this happen to jessie too ? or people just stopped develop for wheezy because jessie was on touch ? |
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| 15:11.26 | themill | dpkg: tell uumax about stable |
| 15:11.46 | unborn | uumax, nope |
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| 15:11.59 | unborn | uumax, jessie use latest apache and lates php |
| 15:13.00 | unborn | uumax, been just doing fresh reinstall of my server over night, I can tell very very nice, love debian 8 but be aware some stuff are changed in latest apache.. if you will find any trouble just ask here. |
| 15:13.30 | Scaniatrucker | tmhl1999: Bumblebee can be configured to use only the main Intel graphics card with open source driver. This option does not require installing the proprietary Nvidia driver. Keep in mind that could cause the laptop to consume too muchenergy. |
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| 15:14.28 | Scaniatrucker | tmhl1999: i think good decision is use this wiki https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee |
| 15:14.55 | uumax | unborn thanks for warning, i'm going for nginx atm. |
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| 15:16.18 | unborn | uumax, yay I am afraid I cannot help very much with nginx as I did not used for past 6 yeas so my know-how is gone as apache took brain cells :) but yeah regards php you will be very nicely pleased with very latest version |
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| 15:17.38 | tmh1999 | Scaniatrucker : Sure. I think I am going for that direction. Thank you and thank you ctmjr. |
| 15:18.04 | Scaniatrucker | tmhl1999:good luck :) |
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| 15:24.41 | julius__ | hi |
| 15:25.24 | superfast | hiya |
| 15:25.26 | julius__ | just installed jessie on a windows 7 machine, at install time it told me that theres a "windows vista" boot loader and all should be fine to install to mbr....but now after reboot theres no entry to boot my win7? |
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| 15:26.52 | unborn | .. always install linux and then in vm windows, save your self hassle big time |
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| 15:27.50 | arminius | unborn: unhelpful reply. |
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| 15:28.21 | arminius | julius__: you could just alter the grub configuration yourself to include a proper entry that boots windows. |
| 15:28.45 | unborn | arminius, I know it was not but in future - it was. julius__ you should alter your grub conf via live cd/dvd |
| 15:28.48 | arminius | julius__: how that one would look would depend on your actual disk layout and where those 2 operating systems are installed (disk names, partition names, etc.) |
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| 15:59.20 | dutchfish | !tell julius__ about os-prober |
| 15:59.21 | Roland- | !debian8eol |
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| 16:02.20 | jelly | Roland-: do you have a question? |
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| 16:02.34 | StatelessCat | hey |
| 16:03.07 | StatelessCat | I'm trying to update my wheezy to jessie, and apt-get say to me that there is a new version of networking.conf |
| 16:03.41 | StatelessCat | here is the diff between actual and new (I'm running debian on a VPS hosted by a compagny), https://paste.kde.org/pjiqkwbyd |
| 16:03.59 | StatelessCat | what do you think it's best i do ? |
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| 16:04.21 | darthanubis | no one can advise you as best to run your server |
| 16:04.56 | jelly | StatelessCat: it's unusual to have to edit that config file. Ask your VPS provider for a reason they changed it in their Debian 7 installation image |
| 16:05.42 | jelly | StatelessCat: (if they didn't change it, dpkg would happily just put the new one in place without asking you anything) |
| 16:06.04 | Roland- | jelly was looking for debian 8 eol but google will answer |
| 16:06.06 | unborn | StatelessCat, firs you do apt-get update then upgrade and then edit your sources list and point anything from wheezy to jessie. then apt-get update and then apt-get distro upgrade - that should do all |
| 16:06.34 | jelly | Roland-: debian has security support for 12 months after the next release is out. |
| 16:07.12 | jelly | Roland-: and no, there's no way to know in advance when Debian 9 might be out. |
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| 16:07.49 | StatelessCat | jelly: ok i ll ask them |
| 16:08.26 | jelly | StatelessCat: alternatively, get hands on the default file from wheezy and do a diff against that, see exactly what they changed |
| 16:08.57 | jelly | StatelessCat: if you can figure what they did, you might just replicate that in the new one and hope everything works |
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| 16:09.15 | StatelessCat | ok |
| 16:09.34 | jelly | StatelessCat: http://sources.debian.net/src/ifupdown/0.7.8/debian/networking.init/ |
| 16:10.07 | jelly | er, remove the last / to download |
| 16:10.13 | StatelessCat | thanks :) |
| 16:11.10 | jelly | StatelessCat: sorry, wrong link, raw file is at http://sources.debian.net/data/main/i/ifupdown/0.7.8/debian/networking.init |
| 16:11.19 | uumax | do i need the php5-common if i wanna use php5-fpm ? |
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| 16:11.26 | jelly | uumax: yes |
| 16:11.34 | StatelessCat | jelly: better :) |
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| 16:11.49 | jelly | uumax: it gets installed automatically as a dependency |
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| 16:13.29 | unborn | uumax, yeas |
| 16:13.34 | unborn | *yes |
| 16:13.50 | uumax | k thanks |
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| 16:15.31 | uumax | unborn how i can check if my php-fpm uses 127.0.0.1:9000 or a "unix socket" (/var/run/php-fpm.sock) |
| 16:15.39 | Roland- | what is the average lifecycle of an debian distro |
| 16:15.51 | Roland- | 3-4 years? |
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| 16:17.29 | jelly | !release history |
| 16:17.29 | dpkg | Debian releases are named after "Toy Story" characters. Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14), Squeeze(6.0; 2011-02-06), Wheezy(7; 2013-05-04), Jessie(8; 2015-04-25). The next release will be Stretch. http://deb.li/it56U |
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| 16:18.16 | jelly | Roland-: so that's 3 years, given 2 years between releases and 1 extra year of security support when it becomes oldstable |
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| 16:18.49 | jelly | Roland-: but see also uit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) |
| 16:19.02 | jelly | Roland-: but see also https://wiki.debian.org/LTS |
| 16:19.31 | unborn | uumax, since you use nginx https://www.google.co.uk/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=unborn+how+i+can+check+if+my+php-fpm+uses+127.0.0.1%3A9000+or+a+%22unix+socket%22+%28%2Fvar%2Frun%2Fphp-fpm.sock%29&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gfe_rd=cr&ei=TUpGVYfuBMu9-Qa-qYGYCw#channel=fs&q=+check+if+my+php-fpm+uses+127.0.0.1:9000+or+a+%22unix+socket%22+%28%2Fvar%2Frun%2Fphp-fpm.sock%29 - I am unable to help |
| 16:19.37 | Roland- | I see, good point |
| 16:19.39 | Roland- | thank you |
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| 16:20.27 | jelly | Roland-: if you have a company or are using Debian in a commercial environment, consider supporting the (young) LTS project |
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| 16:21.18 | jelly | Roland-: http://www.freexian.com/services/debian-lts.html |
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| 16:24.37 | Roland- | I see, better off with a different distro then |
| 16:26.33 | julius__ | dutchfish, that link tells me that all will work well automatically? but os-prober did the job |
| 16:26.46 | julius__ | wonder why it didnt work at install time |
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| 16:27.24 | Stellar | in which package dnssec-keygen located? |
| 16:27.38 | dutchfish | julius__, os-porber i soptional, because not everyone does a dual boot install |
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| 16:27.48 | dutchfish | os-prober* |
| 16:28.50 | Stellar | dutchfish, hmm os-prober |
| 16:29.01 | Stellar | dnssec-keygen still not found |
| 16:29.05 | Stellar | i am on jessie |
| 16:29.10 | dutchfish | Stellar, bind9utils: /usr/sbin/dnssec-keygen |
| 16:29.21 | Stellar | doh |
| 16:29.25 | Stellar | sudo ^^; |
| 16:29.27 | Stellar | thanks |
| 16:29.31 | dutchfish | yw |
| 16:30.01 | jelly | Roland-: dunno, I've heard of nasty regressions in ubuntu lts, or the $$$ for RHEL licenses, and debian still has a lot more software packaged than those two |
| 16:30.34 | chimeracoder | I'm trying to run nm-applet (networkmanager) as a systemd --user service, but it says I'm not authorized to edit connections |
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| 16:30.57 | chimeracoder | how can I ensure that nm-applet is authorized when I launch it as a systemd user service? nm-applet from the console works as non-root user |
| 16:31.09 | jelly | Roland-: so my personal bet is on debian lts, but it's a sunken cost for me -- have most experience with debian and can fix things myself if need be |
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| 16:31.22 | Isai | Hi, how can I limit a user from cd'ing outside their home directory? |
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| 16:32.29 | buu | Isai: The simplest is to remove 'other' read/execute from the rest of the directories. |
| 16:32.39 | buu | Isai: in otherwords, chmod |
| 16:33.06 | Isai | :/ |
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| 16:37.59 | jelly | Isai: a user with shell access? Short answer: no safe way to do that. |
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| 16:38.11 | Isai | Oh |
| 16:38.36 | teraflop | chimeracoder: to run netwotk-manager as user service is a nonsense |
| 16:38.42 | teraflop | nm* |
| 16:38.59 | chimeracoder | how else would I run it? |
| 16:39.03 | jelly | Isai: there are restricted shells like rbash, but they almost all have faults and can often be easily escaped from |
| 16:39.08 | chimeracoder | not NetworkManager - just nm-applet |
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| 16:39.33 | teraflop | chimeracoder: that's an even greater nonsense |
| 16:40.28 | chimeracoder | Alright, so what would you suggest instead? |
| 16:40.30 | teraflop | chimeracoder: use nm if you want to use nm-applet |
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| 16:41.47 | chimeracoder | I'm not sure I understand |
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| 16:42.05 | teraflop | i cant explain myself better sorry |
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| 16:43.22 | chimeracoder | NetworkManager runs as a systemd system service, but that has nothing to do with the applet (the tray icon) |
| 16:43.34 | teraflop | ah no? |
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| 16:45.06 | teraflop | chimeracoder: can you share the source of that statement? |
| 16:45.49 | chimeracoder | If you'd like to tell me a better way to start nm-applet when I log in, by all means, please do |
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| 16:46.08 | chimeracoder | but so far all I'm getting is that this approach is apparently "nonsense" without any alternative |
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| 16:50.49 | buu | chimeracoder: Um, couldn't you just run nm-applet from xinit? |
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| 16:51.57 | buu | /etc/X11/Xsession.d/startup-local |
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| 16:52.47 | chimeracoder | I guess I could... but I'm not sure why that's better than using a user service |
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| 16:53.02 | chimeracoder | I mean, all my other services that appear in the tray are started via systemd user services |
| 16:53.05 | buu | I have absolutely no idea, I just read the last coupleof lines |
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| 16:55.30 | chimeracoder | buu: np - yeah, that's always my fallback |
| 16:55.49 | chimeracoder | it just feels rather dirty, since literally everything else I have can be run through systemd |
| 16:56.00 | buu | Maybe its a run order thing? |
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| 16:56.33 | buu | chimeracoder: Does network manager itself change permissions to let nmapplet run or some such? |
| 16:57.33 | chimeracoder | I *think* it's that it does'nt know where to find the session socket for dbus |
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| 16:58.32 | teraflop | chimeracoder: So youre running nm service? If yes what DE/WM and what session manager if any? |
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| 17:00.15 | chimeracoder | NetworkManager.service is running, yes |
| 17:00.25 | chimeracoder | I'm using gdm3 to launch i3 |
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| 17:02.09 | teraflop | Gdm would take care of that things for you |
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| 17:03.57 | teraflop | If you just launch nm-applet by hand does it complain about permissions? |
| 17:04.58 | buu | he said that already |
| 17:05.10 | teraflop | When editing connections i mean |
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| 17:06.42 | chimeracoder | teraflop: no, when I launch it from the console it works fine |
| 17:07.04 | chimeracoder | in fact, when I launch it from the console, the instance started by systemd is also able to edit connections |
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| 17:07.12 | chimeracoder | but only as long as the console-launched one is open |
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| 17:08.04 | teraflop | chimeracoder: sounds to me a polkit issue |
| 17:08.39 | teraflop | chimeracoder: ill search how to start polkit gnome there |
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| 17:09.24 | chimeracoder | that sounds plausible |
| 17:09.26 | chimeracoder | thank you |
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| 17:11.18 | teraflop | chimeracoder: np. And sorry i didnt understand what you wanted at first |
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| 17:11.34 | julius__ | yeah, great....why do ihave to unmute my soundcard right after installation with alsamixer? |
| 17:12.21 | tpw_rules | any cool things i can do to increase entropy |
| 17:12.39 | centrx | You can dance if you want to |
| 17:12.39 | julius__ | moving the mouse, disk access |
| 17:12.42 | julius__ | if i had to guess |
| 17:12.47 | tpw_rules | i have no mouse |
| 17:12.51 | julius__ | dance could work too |
| 17:12.53 | tpw_rules | well there is one attached, but it's a server |
| 17:13.01 | chimeracoder | teraflop: earlier I tried editing the polkit rules to better match this: http://paste2.org/YkZPjzxc |
| 17:13.07 | chimeracoder | which I found from searching the error message I got |
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| 17:13.11 | chimeracoder | but it didnt' work |
| 17:13.21 | julius__ | write to disk "dd if=/dev/zero of=/tmp/tmpfile bs=1MB count=1000 will create a 1gb file |
| 17:14.08 | buu | Typically network access provides entropy |
| 17:14.36 | teraflop | chimeracoder: take a look here mybe it gives you a hint https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/NetworkManager#Cannot_edit_connections_as_normal_user |
| 17:15.56 | chimeracoder | aha |
| 17:16.16 | centrx | Linux random uses interrupt timings as the main source I believe, so disk I/O and network I/O for a remote server |
| 17:16.31 | tpw_rules | network io worked. thanks! |
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| 17:18.23 | anddam | can I have multiple X sessions? |
| 17:18.37 | anddam | nvm, read the logout menu |
| 17:18.40 | anddam | "switch users" |
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| 17:23.16 | jelly | tpw_rules: check out haveged |
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| 17:26.58 | chimeracoder | teraflop: hm, no, didn't work :-/ |
| 17:27.04 | chimeracoder | same thing with 'netdev' group |
| 17:27.19 | teraflop | chimeracoder: hmm |
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| 17:34.32 | jil | Hello |
| 17:34.44 | jil | What does this erro message I have mean ? postfix/smtpd[22969]: fatal: no SASL authentication mechanisms |
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| 17:34.59 | jil | How can I fix it? |
| 17:35.22 | jil | I'm trying to install a mail serveur |
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| 17:35.42 | teraflop | this is a french mail server :P |
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| 17:36.32 | teraflop | chimeracoder: mind pasting the service unit? |
| 17:36.53 | jil | yes how do you kown ? |
| 17:37.07 | jil | it's a VPS on OVH |
| 17:37.24 | jil | What's the service unit? |
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| 17:38.34 | teraflop | jil: sorry, I did a bad joke since serveur sounds french to me |
| 17:38.44 | jil | Ok lol |
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| 17:39.15 | jil | I guess your are too then. |
| 17:39.19 | teraflop | nah |
| 17:39.20 | centrx | Une spam |
| 17:39.27 | jil | french speaking |
| 17:39.56 | jil | centrx: Une spam ? is that about my error message ? |
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| 17:40.12 | centrx | Il y a une verbe de cool |
| 17:41.11 | chimeracoder | teraflop: sure https://gist.github.com/ChimeraCoder/f615ad85a5243408b793 |
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| 17:43.18 | jil | % |
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| 17:43.53 | tpw_rules | sexcellent, zfs is working |
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| 17:45.39 | bla | Assuming I was on jessie for last 1-2 years - should I migrate to stretch already? (-; |
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| 17:46.22 | somiaj | bla: testing can be extra broken the first few months after a release. The standard advise is don't run testing unless you actually want to test debian. |
| 17:46.25 | jhutchins | bla: If you have to ask... |
| 17:46.36 | somiaj | bla: I suggest people run stable and use backports when they need newer software. |
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| 17:47.18 | bla | Mhm. I usually am on testing using experimental for newer software. But I guess it's fair to wait a 1-2 month before switching |
| 17:47.30 | bla | Thanks. |
| 17:47.46 | somiaj | !sns |
| 17:47.46 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
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| 17:48.33 | somiaj | bla: using experimential packages in testing is usually not suggested. If you really want bleeding edge software run sid (for the most part you don't need experiemential packages -- note this is a bit different during the freeze, but usually packages are not pooled there) |
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| 17:49.08 | bla | I rarely have problems with testing. 95% of my problems come from multiplexed graphics with functions handled in (planed) 4.1 kernel and unstable behaviour since 3.16 (I guess, 3.19 and 4.0 runs awful.) |
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| 17:49.30 | centrx | not using the giant desktop environments like Gnome also helps with testing not breaking |
| 17:49.42 | centrx | not booting into X |
| 17:49.45 | centrx | that sort of thing |
| 17:49.54 | centrx | testing/unstable |
| 17:49.55 | teraflop | chimeracoder: from what log/journal --whatever do you get the errors? |
| 17:50.12 | somiaj | bla: the last year of testing it was frozen or close to frozen, usually it is much better then. Run it now if you want to see what testing can be like. (: |
| 17:50.18 | chimeracoder | teraflop: it pops up a new window |
| 17:50.30 | bla | somiaj, :) Thanks. (; |
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| 17:52.53 | jil | how do you repear broken dependencies when apt-get -f install does not work |
| 17:53.00 | teraflop | chimeracoder: yeah but about that group you said |
| 17:53.29 | chimeracoder | with netdev? |
| 17:53.29 | centrx | jil, Hard to say exactly without seeing the error message |
| 17:53.57 | chimeracoder | there's no separate error for that - it just doesn't work whe nI try to edit the connections (same popup window with error) |
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| 17:59.16 | jil | centrx: here's part of the message http://pastebin.com/Z4AdGhax |
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| 18:01.11 | centrx | jil, I would remove these packages cleanly, see if apt-get install has any other errors, then install them cleanly |
| 18:01.22 | centrx | jil, purge configuration files, or move the configuration files to a different place if you want to reference them |
| 18:01.41 | teraflop | chimeracoder: i got it to work |
| 18:01.49 | centrx | jil, dpkg -r or dpkg --purge |
| 18:02.10 | centrx | and...it's gone |
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| 18:02.37 | teraflop | chimeracoder: http://a.pomf.se/xemgdb.png |
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| 18:03.35 | teraflop | chimeracoder: ping me if you want to know how I did |
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| 18:11.47 | Devastator | does debian livecd have ntfs-3g? |
| 18:12.34 | somiaj | Devastator: if it desont' you can install it |
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| 18:12.48 | Devastator | somiaj on a livecd? |
| 18:12.49 | somiaj | Devastator: the install will only remain until you reboot the system, unless you set up some persistance. |
| 18:13.07 | somiaj | yes, once you boot into the live system, you can install anything you want normally (well until you run out of memeory on the computer) |
| 18:13.26 | Devastator | hum, it will probably install on ram |
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| 18:13.30 | centrx | Devastator, https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#list-image-contents |
| 18:13.40 | somiaj | you can check the contents of the various live images, they all contain a package list of every package they contain. I think the rescue image has ntfs-3g, not sure about the other images |
| 18:13.47 | somiaj | Devastator: there are ways to set up persistance of a live image. |
| 18:14.02 | somiaj | Devastator: but yes by default it just installs into ram |
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| 18:15.41 | Devastator | centrx this link doesn't seem to cover livecds |
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| 18:17.54 | somiaj | Devastator: live.debian.net has lists of all packages on each live image on their download page |
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| 18:18.50 | chimeracoder | teraflop: oh nice! |
| 18:18.54 | chimeracoder | sorry, got disconnected |
| 18:18.58 | chimeracoder | how did you do it? |
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| 18:20.31 | Devastator | somiaj I'm having a hard time finding it |
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| 18:20.56 | somiaj | Devastator: what image are you using? |
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| 18:21.33 | somiaj | Devastator: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/ notice how each image has an .iso, contents, log, packages as well. |
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| 18:23.27 | teraflop | chimeracoder: polkit related, i created /etc/polkit-1/rules.d/50-org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.rules http://ix.io/8Vc |
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| 18:23.43 | chimeracoder | hm, could have sworn I did that |
| 18:23.53 | chimeracoder | oh, maybe I just did netdev, not network |
| 18:23.57 | chimeracoder | and add that user to network? |
| 18:23.58 | teraflop | chimeracoder: for what group? |
| 18:24.00 | teraflop | yeah |
| 18:24.35 | teraflop | chimeracoder: yep append the user to the group |
| 18:25.24 | tremon | and you logged out and back in after changing group membership? |
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| 18:25.51 | teraflop | heh nm-aplet does not fit at all in xmonad, nmtui far better I think |
| 18:26.48 | teraflop | chimeracoder: yeah you need to relogin |
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| 18:27.06 | chimeracoder | yeah, one sec - let's see |
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| 18:28.12 | Devastator | somiaj thanks! |
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| 18:33.25 | lorenzo__ | hello, just a question: i'm installing debian8 amd64 into an asus p550cc. I've enabled CSM and booted from DVD, now I'm trying to manually partition and I would create an EFI Partition, but unlickly is not shown in the list as an avaible partition type. Anyone has some experience? Thank you |
| 18:33.31 | chimeracoder | teraflop: success! |
| 18:33.33 | chimeracoder | thanks for the help! |
| 18:33.47 | teraflop | chimeracoder: glad to hear that |
| 18:33.52 | teraflop | chimeracoder: yw |
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| 18:38.00 | teraflop | lorenzo__: AFAIK the installer takes care of the ESP (if you booted in UEFI mode) and mount it, theres no need of dealing with that |
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| 18:39.08 | shay_shay | huh. just found a bug in lxc. is there a way to submit a bug by gmail? i dont feem like setting up a mta right now |
| 18:39.21 | jelly | teraflop: what's CSM? What's ESP? *so confused* |
| 18:40.33 | shay_shay | nvm |
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| 18:40.58 | teraflop | jelly: afaik for booting from external devices |
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| 18:41.49 | teraflop | jelly: ESP is a fat partition where the efi bootloader puts its sutff |
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| 18:42.36 | teraflop | jelly: umm I dont know if you already knew that my sarcasm-o-meter is a piece of junk |
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| 18:43.12 | tremon | lorenzo__: I haven't used the installer for this yet, but parted if a bit finicky about the ESP. It does the right though if you create a normal partition on a gpt disk and set the "bootable" flag on it |
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| 18:43.37 | tremon | *does the right thing |
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| 18:44.36 | jelly | teraflop: I try to avoid sarcasm on irc. |
| 18:44.43 | teraflop | oh sorry then |
| 18:45.01 | tremon | but really, I've long since given up on the installer partitioner. My "normal" way of installing debian is to boot to rescue mode first, use gdisk and lvm to set up the partitions as I want them, then reboot into the installer |
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| 18:46.54 | teraflop | btw I managed to setup gummibot in debian jessie it works perfect |
| 18:47.04 | teraflop | boot* |
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| 18:51.31 | arminius | teraflop: any benefits over grub2? |
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| 18:52.23 | teraflop | arminius: lightweight, muuuuuch simpler, it'll become the systemd bootloader |
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| 18:52.43 | shay_shay | when trying to start a lxc container I made, I get this: https://gist.github.com/shawnbon206/a1c6f27d14e317c3d99b |
| 18:53.32 | lorenzo__ | teraflop: in order to boot from DVD i had to enable CSM and then I could select DVD as bootable media and start the installation. CSM is not like a legacy mode? How could I see if am I in UEFI mode ? |
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| 18:55.58 | teraflop | lorenzo__: the grub splash is different also efivars -l |
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| 18:57.34 | innmalint | I remember a while back it was STRONGLY recommended to disconnect other drives while doing an install. I have a 2TB HDD with W8 and I want to install Deb on a separate SSD. Last time I did an install with disconnected drives, my boot manager got all screwed up after reconnecting. Any recommendations? |
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| 18:58.49 | saptech | innmalint, when I recently installed Debian, I left my 500gb ext. hdd connected and all is well |
| 18:59.29 | lorenzo__ | teraflop: i've selected automatic partitioning, and it has created 1MB partition called "biosgrub" , so I think that it is not running in UEFI mode |
| 18:59.31 | saptech | ok, you mean int hdd |
| 18:59.37 | saptech | well sorry disregard |
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| 19:05.59 | anddam | teraflop: wow, I wonder WTH wasn't I using gnome-terminal already |
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| 19:06.11 | anddam | if I can justload zenburn scheme in it I'm sold |
| 19:06.25 | anddam | it already has a couple nice schemes *and* Solarized |
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| 19:07.41 | jelly | it's you, silly |
| 19:07.50 | f4cl3y | lol |
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| 19:10.53 | arminius | teraflop: i heard about systemd integration yes, but i see no benefit. :) |
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| 19:13.17 | teraflop | lorenzo__: uhm, if there is /sys/firmware/efi youre in UEFI mode |
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| 19:14.49 | teraflop | arminius: ah, who knows, it's lightweight a think it is a good option for many users, anyway i was curious about setting it up in debian |
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| 19:14.58 | teraflop | s/a/I |
| 19:15.02 | lorenzo__ | teraflop: i've rebooted, i'll try again and i'll tell you. Why with UEFI without enabling CSM it cannot boot from debian dvd ? |
| 19:15.27 | teraflop | lorenzo__: sorry for the delay .... i have a cat^ |
| 19:15.47 | lorenzo__ | teraflop: don't care, thank you for your help :) |
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| 19:16.09 | teraflop | anddam: yes gnome-terminal is a good choice I think |
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| 19:19.31 | lorenzo__ | teraflop: i'm pretty sure that in CSM legacy mode I could do the installation without problems, but with BIOS mode. I'd really appreciate to understand how can I install debian in UEFI mode instead |
| 19:19.39 | teraflop | lorenzo__: sorry I do not know about that asus machine and its uefi options |
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| 19:20.14 | lorenzo__ | teraflop: it has Aptio Setup Utility |
| 19:20.16 | teraflop | lorenzo__: isnt there just an option for selection the boot order? |
| 19:20.29 | teraflop | selecting* |
| 19:20.35 | lorenzo__ | yep, but DVD is not listed |
| 19:20.39 | teraflop | uhm |
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| 19:21.22 | Mister | Hi is anybody here today? |
| 19:21.42 | lorenzo__ | teraflop: I tried to create an USB too with dd if=.. of=.. bs=4M, but with the same result |
| 19:22.18 | lorenzo__ | teraflop: the only way to start installation is enabling CSM , but this mean that it starts in BIOS mode |
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| 19:22.53 | Mister | see you 10 minutes later please |
| 19:22.56 | unborn | lorenzo__, didnt you just said don't care, thank you for your help :)? |
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| 19:24.05 | teraflop | lorenzo__: tried disabling secure boot? |
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| 19:25.03 | lorenzo__ | unborn: i wrote that sentence in response of teraflop apologizing for its delays caused by its cat. However, i didnt see how this can interest you :) |
| 19:25.20 | lorenzo__ | teraflop: yep, is disabled |
| 19:25.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | Mister, sorry, nobody in. everyone's out, frollocking in the meadows and stuff |
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| 19:26.40 | Mister | Sorry for waiting answer, boy. You must know that my english is not GOOD (not my pimary language) |
| 19:26.51 | unborn | lorenzo__, ah I did not read the previous message - that cancel my interest about previous convo. sorry for disruption and enjoy the convo here |
| 19:27.23 | lorenzo__ | ty |
| 19:27.36 | unborn | lorenzo__, uw :) |
| 19:27.57 | mark_owen | Hi, there. |
| 19:28.17 | unborn | b |
| 19:28.25 | mark_owen | Anyone having trouble starting the samba service with Jessie? |
| 19:28.32 | teraflop | lorenzo__: if it is disabled i have no clue |
| 19:29.02 | mark_owen | I type: systemctl samba.service status and I get: "Unknown operation 'samba.service'." |
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| 19:29.31 | lorenzo__ | I think that the BIOS of this laptop is wierd |
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| 19:29.55 | teraflop | Heh or just bugged |
| 19:30.56 | lorenzo__ | i've not so much experience with UEFI to tell where is the problem |
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| 19:32.30 | teraflop | Nor do I as you can see |
| 19:32.47 | Mister | Be back soon , please |
| 19:34.03 | mark_owen | Ok to close my issue: if I write "/etc/init.d/samba restart" it works but if I type: "service samba restart" or "systemctl samba.service restart" it doesn't. |
| 19:34.08 | chimeracoder | mark_owen: you've got that backwards |
| 19:34.12 | tremon | mark_owen: systemctl and service don't use the same argument order. It's service samba status, and systemctl status samba.service |
| 19:34.28 | mark_owen | ok |
| 19:34.33 | mark_owen | I'll try that |
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| 19:35.42 | mark_owen | "Failed to start samba.service: Unit samba.service is masked." why is that? Systemd tells me samba is inactive |
| 19:35.51 | valdyn | mark_owen: thats ok |
| 19:36.15 | mark_owen | How do I know it's up and running? |
| 19:36.28 | valdyn | mark_owen: samba is multiple daemons. Systemd solves the better. You get smbd and nmbd *or* just smba-ad-dc, depending on your setup |
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| 19:37.01 | valdyn | mark_owen: so for you probably: "systemctl status smbd" and "systemctl status nmbd" |
| 19:37.33 | mark_owen | Ok I get it. I'm still adapting to the systemd thing. |
| 19:37.36 | mark_owen | Thanks. |
| 19:37.54 | valdyn | mark_owen: thats not really a systemd thing, its a change in the samba setup |
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| 19:47.27 | shay_shay | I am having tons of trouble getting LXC to work from unprivileged user. Is documentation online is very confusing regarding what you're supposed to do and not supposed to do on a systemd system. |
| 19:47.46 | roberth1990 | http://paste.debian.net/plain/171097 what am I doing wrong? |
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| 19:48.10 | valdyn | roberth1990: log out and back in |
| 19:48.41 | roberth1990 | valdyn: okay brb |
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| 19:49.58 | roberth1990 | how can I make a graphical program runned as root through sudo or su to use my users xserver? |
| 19:49.59 | shay_shay | i pasted some of these errors in google and found some pages explaining how to use cgmanager to get permissions, but i found another page saying not to use cgmanager in conjunction with systemd https://gist.github.com/shawnbon206/a1c6f27d14e317c3d99b |
| 19:50.03 | roberth1990 | or is that a bad idea? |
| 19:50.24 | valdyn | roberth1990: sudo does that already, did you try? |
| 19:50.28 | jelly | roberth1990: use gksudo/gksu, and yes it's usually a bad idea |
| 19:50.32 | valdyn | roberth1990: like "sudo kwrite" |
| 19:50.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | valdyn, what does logging out and in do there? it's just a file, not a group that you get when you log in |
| 19:51.00 | roberth1990 | valdyn: no it says it cannot connect to the xserver |
| 19:51.24 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: i dont know why. Its archaic. But thats how it is. |
| 19:51.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | valdyn, weird... can't imagine what property should change at login |
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| 19:52.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | roberth1990, what version of debian is that and what window-manager/desktop environment? I can use "su" on my system and just call programs like xterm as root and they get started properly |
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| 19:53.03 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: and its the same in windows strangely |
| 19:53.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | I can even do the same with sudo, which I never use, but apparently at some time configured here |
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| 19:53.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | valdyn, nah... in windows you have to reboot for everything, everyone knows that... "want to save a file? please reboot!" |
| 19:53.41 | roberth1990 | CutMeOwnThroat: KDE, but it has never worked for me unless I use the graphical frontend in any DE |
| 19:54.17 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: logging in gives the user's login shell initial group memberships |
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| 19:54.48 | valdyn | I beleive the parent, so the shell would need to ability to redo this. I dont know why that is not implemented though |
| 19:55.08 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: these are a per-process property in unix, any processes that exist before the adduser are left unchanged |
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| 19:56.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly, but sudoers isn't a group... that was my point |
| 19:57.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | roberth1990, well... check your environment variables... it works for me, because |
| 19:57.12 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: "sudo" is. |
| 19:57.31 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: thats just an error message that does not hit the actual cause |
| 19:57.35 | roberth1990 | CutMeOwnThroat: ill just use kdesudo instead |
| 19:58.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... because $XAUTHORITY (or $HOME if that is unset) and $DISPLAY are set to the same values as the user'S |
| 19:58.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | roberth1990, fairysnuff... if that works for you |
| 19:58.43 | valdyn | this works for me, im not sure at which point you lose the ability to start X programs with sudo |
| 19:59.21 | valdyn | (is this related to sudo group? Im not using that) |
| 19:59.26 | jelly | valdyn: the point where ~/.Xauthority (or file pointed by XAUTHORITY) does not have right cookies |
| 19:59.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly, it's not? sudo permission is an entry in /etc/sudoers ... no group needs to be connected with it |
| 19:59.45 | valdyn | jelly: yes of course, but why do i have the right cookies and he does not |
| 20:00.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's the question :) |
| 20:00.12 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: the default is that the sudo group %sudo gets sudo permissions |
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| 20:00.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | valdyn, ah... I aded the user |
| 20:00.32 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: it's the "%sudo ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL" permission in that file, and %sudo means members of group named "sudo" |
| 20:01.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah... I think we're set there... we were talking about differen things |
| 20:01.00 | valdyn | roberth1990: create your own file in /etc/sudoers.d/roberth in which you give roberth explicit sudo permissions, then "sudo kwrite" should work (or tell me if it does not) |
| 20:01.33 | jelly | kdesudo sounds like the right thing to use |
| 20:02.19 | roberth1990 | valdyn: Idd rather use kdesudo, I wanna configure things like that as little as possible |
| 20:02.21 | valdyn | since i cant even type "apt" instead of "apt-get", my finger memory would never find this ok |
| 20:02.36 | valdyn | roberth1990: sure, I dont mind. |
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| 20:05.11 | valdyn | ok, this works i think: "newgrp sudo; newgroup $USER", tata |
| 20:05.33 | valdyn | (no more logging out) |
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| 20:09.29 | Night_Elf | Hi. Can anyone tell me what does this mean? ocamlfind: Package `re.str' not found |
| 20:09.46 | Night_Elf | I am trying to get to 'make' something but I get this. |
| 20:11.27 | jelly | what is ocamlfind |
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| 20:12.06 | Magic-Fx | Night_Elf; Package `re.posix' not found, try an apt-get |
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| 20:12.30 | tremon | valdyn: while newgrp $group works, in essence it gives you a new shell with your egid set to $group. So it works for running programs in your current shell, but won't change the group membership of your DE session |
| 20:12.44 | tremon | (sorry, the pedant in me is acting out again) |
| 20:12.59 | valdyn | tremon: yes |
| 20:13.16 | valdyn | tremon: well, not a new shell I think |
| 20:13.17 | Night_Elf | Magic-Fx: But there seems to be no such package "re.posix" |
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| 20:13.22 | valdyn | tremon: but it works only in that one? |
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| 20:13.42 | valdyn | tremon: might aswell just su - if its a new shell |
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| 20:13.58 | Magic-Fx | Night_Elf; try libghc-regex-posix-dev |
| 20:14.05 | tremon | yes, it does. iirc it acts exactly as if you did sg $group, which is almost exactly su |
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| 20:14.38 | tremon | except it sets your egid, not your euid |
| 20:15.03 | Night_Elf | Magic-Fx: That is installing a few things. But gee, how am I supposed to know these from that message about from ocamlfind ? |
| 20:15.09 | KM0201 | can someone explain to me why removing orage uninstalls the whole xfce desktop in jessie? |
| 20:15.42 | hiexpo | Night_Elf, theres a read me in the tarball |
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| 20:16.02 | valdyn | KM0201: because all of your xfce packages are marked as auto-install except the "xfce4" package |
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| 20:16.25 | KM0201 | how do i change that? |
| 20:16.33 | valdyn | KM0201: and the only package that cannot stay when you remove orage is xfce4 |
| 20:16.38 | tremon | KM0201: aptitude why xfce4 orage |
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| 20:16.45 | asterismo | hi people |
| 20:17.05 | asterismo | does anybody knows a good debian/linux alternative to Android Studio? |
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| 20:17.37 | valdyn | asterismo: android studio runs on linux |
| 20:17.58 | valdyn | asterismo: feel free to use ecplise instead, that works fine |
| 20:18.00 | unborn | asterismo, this question should be asked on android forums dont you think so? :) |
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| 20:18.06 | KM0201 | tremon: just says xfce depends on orage... which to me makes little sense |
| 20:18.09 | KM0201 | its a calendar ap |
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| 20:18.41 | KM0201 | same w/ xfburn |
| 20:18.46 | unborn | asterismo, airdroid - thats all I can say regards gnu. |
| 20:18.47 | KM0201 | weird. |
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| 20:18.52 | tremon | yes, valdyn's explanation was a little better. xfce4 is a metapackage, which means "all of the xfce desktop" |
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| 20:19.08 | jelly | KM0201: it's an xfce calendar, and an xfce burner! |
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| 20:19.15 | tremon | you can't keep the metapackage installed and then remove parts of its dependencies |
| 20:19.27 | KM0201 | jelly: i understand that, but there' sno reason the whole freakin desktop should depend on them. |
| 20:19.51 | tremon | what you can do however, is look at the list of packages that are installed as part of xfce4, and set them to manually installed |
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| 20:19.52 | valdyn | KM0201: look, this metapackage saves you from deciding 1 by 1 what you need and what you dont need |
| 20:19.55 | jelly | KM0201: they're part of the desktop environment. You don't get just the desktop without the environmemt |
| 20:20.10 | valdyn | KM0201: you can disable that service by using unmarkauto |
| 20:20.41 | lorenzo__ | teraflop: i did it! |
| 20:20.54 | KM0201 | yeah, i understand... ig euss i'm just failing to see why uninstalling a calendar app and cd burning app, causes such carnage |
| 20:20.58 | KM0201 | makes little sense to me |
| 20:21.08 | valdyn | KM0201: so you dont understand |
| 20:21.15 | KM0201 | valdyn: no, i do understand completely |
| 20:21.27 | asterismo | unborn: valdyn thanks i found a debian wiki |
| 20:21.34 | asterismo | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=114690 |
| 20:21.38 | valdyn | KM0201: packages marked as auto-installed get removed automatically as soon as they *can* be removed |
| 20:21.39 | asterismo | debian forum in fact |
| 20:21.56 | KM0201 | valdyn: ok. |
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| 20:21.58 | valdyn | KM0201: and they *can* be removed when nothing that is *not* marked needs them |
| 20:22.09 | lorenzo__ | teraflop: instead of "dd" of entire .iso into usb, first I created a FAT32 partition, and after i've moved all contents from mounted iso into that new partition |
| 20:22.11 | tremon | KM0201: the "understand" part also includes realizing that "if you don't want all of xfce4, you need to manually select the pieces that you do want" |
| 20:22.21 | jelly | KM0201: there's no simple way to tell apt to "disregard these particular dependencies so I can remove them" |
| 20:22.32 | valdyn | KM0201: theres probably a command that will clear all "auto" flags on your system |
| 20:22.38 | KM0201 | probably |
| 20:22.43 | jelly | apt-mark manual |
| 20:22.56 | valdyn | KM0201: but theres certainly no command to clear all flags exactly as you want it (except if you want all of course) |
| 20:22.57 | unborn | asterismo, you more then welcome - please before you make decision you will think about give out your data to 3th party.. right? I am glad you did find solution |
| 20:22.59 | KM0201 | jelly: i understand the dependencies issue. |
| 20:23.29 | KM0201 | i just don't remember this being an issue w/ Wheezy |
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| 20:23.32 | jelly | valdyn: who knows, maybe there's some arcane aptitude incantation |
| 20:23.35 | KM0201 | i removed htem no problem. |
| 20:23.36 | lorenzo__ | jelly: hello. Do you know why i couldn't boot into debian installer simply creating a DVD from the ISO or dd'ing whole .iso to usb ? |
| 20:23.40 | valdyn | KM0201: so now you can "pick your apps" and put them into your "aptitude unmarkauto foo bar baz" command (or something like that) |
| 20:23.57 | lorenzo__ | jelly: in UEFI mode I mean :) |
| 20:24.03 | jelly | lorenzo__: nope |
| 20:24.04 | valdyn | KM0201: wheezy is the same in that regard |
| 20:24.12 | KM0201 | strange |
| 20:24.17 | KM0201 | cuz i removed them in wheezy w/o issue |
| 20:24.18 | valdyn | KM0201: of course your auto marks may have been different for whatever reason |
| 20:24.33 | KM0201 | valdyn: seems likely (although i don't remember changing any of that) |
| 20:25.11 | valdyn | KM0201: i use apt-get, it works like that: remove xfce4, then apt-get *lists* the packages as no longer needed, but does not act on it automatically. |
| 20:25.23 | KM0201 | right |
| 20:25.48 | KM0201 | valdyn: right, but usually I'll run auto remove to clear unneeded packages, which of course will remove all that |
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| 20:31.53 | teraflop | lorenzo__: ;) it reminds me when i had to setup a win 7 USB bootable just copying the ISO to a fat usb formated and drive and adding the boot0 file from a win 8 iso |
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| 20:32.56 | lorenzo__ | teraflop: yep, this is a strange behavior for me, but ok :D |
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| 20:34.19 | teraflop | lorenzo__: I bet is your BIOS fault |
| 20:34.47 | lorenzo__ | teraflop: maybe, it is a AMI Aptio V |
| 20:35.13 | teraflop | Heh i dont know what is that thing ... |
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| 20:35.57 | lorenzo__ | teraflop: should be nice to know if someone here could boot debian installer in UEFI mode directly from DVD burned with official ISO, or with an USB Disk created with a dd shoot |
| 20:37.04 | teraflop | lorenzo__: im pretty sure of that i did myself with usb |
| 20:38.08 | lorenzo__ | teraflop: ok, if you burned it with dd without other steps, is a fault of my creepy-asus :) |
| 20:38.58 | teraflop | Maybe there is some fw update for your model |
| 20:39.42 | teraflop | Be careful updating that things |
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| 20:43.15 | Vapoor | i hate ubuntu community |
| 20:43.20 | Vapoor | #ubuntu |
| 20:43.35 | Vapoor | no wonder http://news.softpedia.com/news/Steam-for-Linux-Usage-Drops-Dramatically-in-April-It-s-Now-Under-1-479973.shtml |
| 20:44.04 | arminius | Vapoor: you seriously "hate" it? |
| 20:44.08 | arminius | :( |
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| 20:44.20 | arminius | Vapoor: hate is never a good thing |
| 20:44.29 | Vapoor | its what it is |
| 20:44.42 | arminius | Vapoor: try to express why you hate it and you don't have to use that cruel word. |
| 20:44.46 | tremon | guys, get a couch. -> #debian-ot |
| 20:44.47 | Vapoor | thats were ive been driven to |
| 20:45.15 | tremon | (ehrm, that should probably be #debian-offtopic ;) |
| 20:45.28 | arminius | Vapoor: all i'm trying to say is: keep it technical in here, and also friendly and hate-free. |
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| 20:46.02 | Vapoor | im looking forware to installing weezy |
| 20:46.07 | Night_Elf | with a friendly smile and a cheerful tune, slaps random people around. |
| 20:46.18 | Night_Elf | I had to say that. |
| 20:46.25 | Vapoor | cause my old box wont work with jessie |
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| 20:47.14 | Night_Elf | Vapoor: I have decided I'll stay with wheezy for a while too and not switch to jessie. |
| 20:47.44 | blackflow | good choice |
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| 20:48.04 | Vapoor | but can i install xp |
| 20:48.18 | Vapoor | it worked fine with xp |
| 20:48.38 | Night_Elf | Vapoor: as in dual boot systems? |
| 20:48.49 | Igel | debian 8, i have an encrypted /opt/directory and another /home/user directory... why is the unlocking & mounting of these directories required by init, it is forcing the boot process into maintenence mode. i dont want to put my rootpassword over a remote KVM display |
| 20:49.26 | Night-Shade | Igel: are you using key scripts to get the password by any chance? |
| 20:49.33 | Igel | no.. nothing |
| 20:49.33 | Vapoor | all boot linux using usb |
| 20:49.50 | blackflow | Igel: crypttab or fstab automounts them on boot? |
| 20:49.54 | Igel | i believe |
| 20:49.57 | Igel | that may be it |
| 20:50.04 | Igel | why should it prevent boot? |
| 20:50.07 | Igel | or why is it? |
| 20:50.10 | blackflow | because stupid systemd. |
| 20:50.13 | Vapoor | got puppy linux old version working fine with nvidia driver 137 |
| 20:50.16 | Igel | its umbelieveable |
| 20:50.28 | lorenzo__ | teraflop: i have the lastest fw |
| 20:50.30 | Night-Shade | because they are in fstab, add the nofail or noauto option to the lines in fstab and crypttab |
| 20:50.33 | Igel | does anyone know ah... know how to avoid maintenence mode? perhaps single mode? |
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| 20:50.42 | Igel | Night-Shade: kickass. |
| 20:50.49 | Vapoor | but now with new kernels and xorg it doesent anymore |
| 20:50.54 | Night_Elf | Vapoor: If it can run with debian7 then you just keep on using that. |
| 20:51.11 | Night-Shade | I've been bitten by this on Ubuntu 15.04 |
| 20:51.17 | Igel | hmmph |
| 20:51.30 | Vapoor | maybe i can use backport to install software from jessie? |
| 20:51.54 | Night-Shade | Igel: my blog about some of the oddities I have had with it https://blog.night-shade.org.uk/2015/04/etccrypttab-systemd-and-passwords/ |
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| 20:52.21 | lyonsb | Igel, systemctl rescue ? is perhaps wha tyou want? |
| 20:52.25 | Night_Elf | Vapoor: maybe. I don't know how much will jessie software will be able to run backported on wheezy, without dragging shadows from systemd dependence. |
| 20:52.37 | Vapoor | puppy linux is the best distro i every used its fast works great with low ram and nvidia blob |
| 20:52.39 | Igel | hmmm |
| 20:52.53 | lyonsb | igel systemctl {default, rescue, emergency} are various system-state choices. |
| 20:53.01 | Igel | i am just getting maintenence mode, please enter root password... got that with init=/sbin/sysvinit , and i tried 'single' to the kernel command line.. |
| 20:53.06 | Igel | s'a pretty cool blog |
| 20:53.07 | bytes | i currently have linux mint installed on my laptop, and im trying to test out the live xfce usb for debian 8, but my usb drive won't load it at all |
| 20:53.17 | Vapoor | i think puppy linux is the most inovative linus ever |
| 20:53.18 | Igel | ok ill try again |
| 20:53.23 | Vapoor | linux* |
| 20:53.28 | lyonsb | Igel, if systemd is dumping you to a root terminal, systemctl default puts it back to "normal" mode. |
| 20:53.30 | Night-Shade | Igel: can you get in with init=/bin/sh ? |
| 20:53.36 | Vapoor | im using the one based on slackware |
| 20:53.39 | Igel | Night-Shade: may be.. |
| 20:53.52 | Night-Shade | at least to the stage to get an editor on /etc/fstab |
| 20:54.22 | Night-Shade | you'll need to remount / rw: mount / -o remount,rw |
| 20:55.42 | Igel | oof |
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| 20:56.07 | Igel | not sure its liking init=/bin/sh |
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| 20:56.35 | Night-Shade | I can't remember how well jessie gets on with init=/bin/sh |
| 20:56.44 | Igel | it actally panicd/froze |
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| 20:56.55 | Night-Shade | you might want to try without the initramfs too |
| 20:57.14 | Igel | im about to boot off the network to fix this |
| 20:57.19 | Night-Shade | that'll be easier |
| 20:57.23 | Igel | hey thanks man |
| 20:57.25 | jelly | !debug systemd |
| 20:57.56 | jelly | !systemd debugging |
| 20:57.56 | dpkg | If you have a problem with systemd, see https://wiki.debian.org/systemd#Debugging and http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/Debugging/ for more information on how to debug the issue. If it's a boot problem, start by using systemd.unit=rescue.target systemd.log_target=kmsg systemd.log_level=debug on the kernel command line to get more information |
| 20:58.12 | jelly | Igel: ^^ |
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| 20:59.06 | jelly | Night-Shade: not much can be achieved without initramfs on debian (without a carefully built custom kernel) |
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| 20:59.50 | Night-Shade | true, I'm debugging ARM embedded stuff so was thinking of differetn style of kernel |
| 21:00.35 | Night-Shade | yes all my disk drivers are modules on the jessie machines |
| 21:00.44 | Night-Shade | cancel that advice :) |
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| 21:01.21 | SkyFall | Hi. |
| 21:01.28 | Night-Shade | jelly: the real issue was not wanting to type a root password over a networked console |
| 21:01.58 | SkyFall | Where to put systemd service files? I searched internet for answer and no path mentioned on forums exists in my instalation |
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| 21:02.57 | jelly | SkyFall: man systemd.unit says /etc/systemd/system/ |
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| 21:03.42 | SkyFall | Okay. I guess that if I put init.d script in old dir it will do nothing, am I right? |
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| 21:08.23 | jelly | SkyFall: it should also work but I'm not sure what's the correct way to enable it |
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| 21:09.09 | SkyFall | systemctl should do the job. What a pity debian chose systemd, now I need to learn all from the beggining >.< |
| 21:10.00 | jelly | learning new stuff is HARD! |
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| 21:10.30 | Igel | Last login: Fri Apr 3 02:55:37 2015 from fccc:5b2c:2336:fd59:794d:c0fa:817d:8d8 |
| 21:11.00 | Igel | alright, what a pain, i had to pxe boot, mount and add the nofail,noauto to fstab.. thanks a lot man |
| 21:11.44 | Night-Shade | that worked then? |
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| 21:12.51 | Igel | yessir |
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| 21:13.16 | Igel | was like a needle in a haystack finding the fstab or systemd fix.. or crypttab fix.. or.... |
| 21:13.18 | jelly | Igel: that workaround is mentioned in the release notes for jessie, btw. https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#systemd-auto-mounts-incompat |
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| 21:13.29 | Igel | this is why irc is always better than the web :) |
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| 21:13.43 | Igel | ah werd. |
| 21:14.00 | Igel | i'll hang out, but im going to finish up here thanks again #debian |
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| 21:15.35 | Mister | hi anybody still here ? |
| 21:15.44 | Fingel | lots of people are here |
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| 21:15.46 | blackflow | we left for the day. |
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| 21:15.54 | Mister | ok my turn to go now? |
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| 21:16.07 | Wegge | Is there a better way of enabling core dumps from process started by inetd, than hacking a 'ulimit -c unlimited' into /etc/init.d/inetutils-inetd? |
| 21:16.34 | Mister | Wegge turn to go !not mine. |
| 21:16.45 | blackflow | Mister: just ask already... |
| 21:16.56 | Mister | ok.my question is about a linux based sysem : |
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| 21:17.14 | blackflow | (maybe we should put those turn tickets at the entrance) |
| 21:17.40 | blackflow | Now serving number 2338102983. |
| 21:17.40 | peterrooney | glances over at over 1500 names on the right |
| 21:17.42 | Mister | i delete some file (archive) direct downloaded to root directory. Then after using then i try to delete... |
| 21:17.47 | somiaj | Mister: we only answer questions about debian here, what os are you running? |
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| 21:18.34 | Wegge | blackflow, And have debhelper implement an AI, that can mute anythin not related to ticket 2338102983? |
| 21:18.35 | Mister | ok i know. But my linux distro is debian based system only. Cause nobody could explain to me what could hapenend |
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| 21:18.51 | blackflow | Wegge: yup. |
| 21:18.52 | Mister | i decied to ask you for advice. |
| 21:19.37 | somiaj | Mister: if you are using debian based and not debian, you should get support from the distro you chose to use. |
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| 21:20.05 | jelly | Mister: or ask in ##linux if there's no support venue for your particular distro |
| 21:20.08 | valdyn | he's not going to ask.. he just wants to talk about planning to ask |
| 21:20.19 | Mister | my system browser is bautilus . And when i delete my old files the trash could never be used again . So my system couln't stand fill with many deleted files... |
| 21:20.48 | Mister | ok i try ##linux channel first |
| 21:22.49 | Mister | Hey jelly . You know what had happend in ##linux channel ? |
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| 21:25.19 | jelly | no? |
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| 21:25.51 | blixten | new fresh install of an old laptop with 32bit cpu and a new ssd disk, with debian 8.0, im getting this errors in dmesg |
| 21:25.52 | blixten | http://paste.debian.net/171126/ |
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| 21:26.30 | lorenzo__ | bye, thank you for your time teraflop , see you next time :) |
| 21:26.56 | valdyn | blixten: why would there be a ufs filesystem on sda2? |
| 21:27.13 | jelly | Mister: you need to ask there again, they don't know what has been written in this channel. |
| 21:27.20 | blixten | valdyn: there isn't, its an ext4 there |
| 21:27.32 | kWO901 | my wireless interface goes down at random and if i try to up it i get this: http://paste.debian.net/171127/ |
| 21:27.37 | kWO901 | any clue? |
| 21:27.45 | valdyn | blixten: nope, appearantly not |
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| 21:28.22 | valdyn | blixten: "EXT4-fs (sda2): unable to read superblock" is not explicit enough? |
| 21:28.28 | somiaj | kWO901: that says you have a switch on your laptop somewhere that turns on/off your wireless card. It could be a switch, it could be some combination of keys, such as function-fsomething |
| 21:29.00 | blixten | valdyn: apparantly not |
| 21:29.37 | valdyn | blixten: on top of that the partition is probably bogus (bigger than you have space) |
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| 21:29.54 | Mister | jelly : as soon as i came in ##linux channel , immediatly after telling Good Mornig, i got strange message like "##linux :Cannot send to channel" .How about that! |
| 21:30.31 | kWO901 | somiaj: but it works and then suddenly goes down like that and i need to wait a bit till it gets on again. or use the switch to off and on it back |
| 21:30.52 | jelly | Mister: oh, you probably need to be registered on the network to even talk there. /msg nickserv help register |
| 21:31.14 | blixten | valdyn: okey, /dev/sda1 ext4 231G 9.4G 210G 5% / |
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| 21:31.40 | blixten | i choosed the automatic partition mode in the install, would it have calculated it wrong? |
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| 21:31.48 | valdyn | blixten: no |
| 21:31.57 | Mister | ok no too hard for me ;Let me try another solution before.Anyway ,sorry for distrubing brothers. Bye ! |
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| 21:32.21 | valdyn | blixten: did you store anything you need on that partition? |
| 21:32.24 | somiaj | kWO901: well the info you posted shows you turned off the switch and that explains why it goes down. It could be it just looses assoication with the access point, check out the status of 'iwconfig wlan0' right after it goes down but before you hit the switch. |
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| 21:33.49 | blixten | valdyn: no, this is a fresh install made a few hrs ago, havent even got to setup the system yet properly, i found this when i was trying to boot the new grsec kernel, and grub did not update properly (without errors tho) |
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| 21:34.28 | blixten | it just refused to boot the new kernel per automatic, manualy choosing the new kernel worked |
| 21:34.34 | valdyn | blixten: mkfs.ext4 /dev/sda2 (if you want) |
| 21:34.40 | blixten | but i assume you want to suggest me to reinstall? |
| 21:34.47 | valdyn | blixten: nope |
| 21:35.16 | f31n | hi, i've got an usb stick which is probably bricked, but i wanna try everything i can to get the files from it. when i plug the stick, i get in dmesg an error: http://pastebin.com/KYCNN106 i can't find the stick in lsusb -> which means its fucking bricked, is there anything i can do to access that completely bricked usbstick? |
| 21:35.54 | valdyn | blixten: all i see is a partition with no filesystem on it. Thats not really unusual. It's not even a problem, and of course no reason to reinstall. |
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| 21:36.06 | Igel | f31n: do you see anything in /dev/sd* enumerate? |
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| 21:36.29 | valdyn | blixten: well, maybe its really your swap partition - how would i know |
| 21:36.31 | blixten | valdyn: okey, but the laptop only has one disk, and i can boot it? |
| 21:36.51 | valdyn | blixten: how would i know that |
| 21:37.04 | Igel | f31n: the error is not very very bad. |
| 21:37.06 | valdyn | blixten: didnt it boot already? |
| 21:37.24 | valdyn | (or how are you showing me this dmesg output ? ) |
| 21:37.35 | blixten | i boots |
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| 21:37.37 | blixten | it* |
| 21:37.47 | blixten | but how can it boot without a filesystem? |
| 21:38.01 | Igel | but its bad enough you are not seeing your files, can you plug it into usb 2.0? |
| 21:38.02 | valdyn | blixten: sda1 has a filesystem |
| 21:38.08 | blixten | http://pastebin.com/Ugv2LKMp |
| 21:38.26 | valdyn | blixten: nice |
| 21:38.37 | valdyn | blixten: now we know why sda2 is unusuable |
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| 21:39.01 | valdyn | blixten: forget about sda2, you dont need it |
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| 21:39.12 | blixten | hmm aye, it was sda2 it complained about :D |
| 21:39.21 | f31n | Igel: no, i don't, actually when i plug it into a microsoft pc, windows tells me you can't access it any more and i cant even format the stick ^^, the same here, it doesn't even get a /dev/sd* ... like its not even pluged |
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| 21:39.37 | blixten | i wounder why it created this sda2 in the first place |
| 21:39.40 | Igel | yeah |
| 21:39.49 | Igel | i figured that might happen, |
| 21:39.50 | valdyn | blixten: its an extended partition |
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| 21:40.10 | Igel | how new is this drive? is it truely a usb 3.0 thumbdrive? or is it something with a controller? |
| 21:40.35 | Night-Shade | can you try it in a usb2 port? |
| 21:40.46 | valdyn | blixten: or its the method to store on disk the fact that theres an sda5 |
| 21:41.02 | valdyn | blixten: because your partition table cannot store that |
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| 21:41.43 | blixten | it cannot store sda5? |
| 21:41.57 | valdyn | !extended partition |
| 21:41.57 | dpkg | hmm... extended partition is This is a type of partition that is an extension of a primary partition. It's possible to have many extended partitions on a hard drive. |
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| 21:42.15 | ahop | what would you use to automount USB stick? |
| 21:42.28 | ahop | (from CLI, i don't use desktop like gnome etc.) |
| 21:42.41 | Igel | f31n: if the physical drive is connected to a usb3->sata controller, you should obviously see if you can bypass that hardware, by ripping it the frig out of there, and trying these steps again.. |
| 21:42.42 | somiaj | ahop: why do you want automount then? |
| 21:42.57 | ahop | somiaj: it's an embedded device |
| 21:43.04 | ahop | which has a user USB port |
| 21:43.08 | somiaj | ahop: there are various ways, at some level it is done with udev events. Not sure what program gnome etc uses. |
| 21:43.09 | Igel | with debian? |
| 21:43.12 | ahop | the user can connect USB sticks |
| 21:43.20 | Igel | is it debian ahop? |
| 21:43.47 | ahop | Igel I'm using various distro, but often debian yes |
| 21:43.58 | somiaj | ahop: you can also put info in /etc/fstab so users can mount things and not need root access. But at some level I think automounters use udev events to mount file systems. Unsure the name of the package that does this for gnome. |
| 21:44.17 | ahop | somiaj: the user will have no keyboard |
| 21:44.30 | ahop | no mouse, it's really an embedded device |
| 21:44.39 | ahop | the automounting should be 100% automatic |
| 21:44.41 | valdyn | dpkg: forget extended partition |
| 21:44.41 | dpkg | i forgot extended partition, valdyn |
| 21:45.11 | valdyn | dpkg: extended partition is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disk_partitioning |
| 21:45.12 | dpkg | valdyn: okay |
| 21:45.14 | valdyn | har |
| 21:45.14 | somiaj | ahop: sorry I can't think of the name of a package that does this, but it can be done with udev rules, one second. |
| 21:45.42 | ahop | somiaj: I tried autofs, but didn't really work |
| 21:45.53 | somiaj | ahop: that looks outdated. at least according to the wiki |
| 21:46.07 | somiaj | ahop: https://wiki.debian.org/usbmount -- look slike is what replaced it |
| 21:46.22 | blixten | valdyn: extended partition.. why has debian 8.0 install made this sda2 and put swap on sda5? |
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| 21:47.01 | valdyn | blixten: you can have up to 4 primary partitions, you can have alot more partitions via *one* extended partition |
| 21:47.31 | thomas_d | I'm trying to upgrade x2goclient and it says "the following packages have been kept back: x2goclient" how do I troubleshoot this|? |
| 21:47.32 | valdyn | blixten: also, windows / dos support only one primary partition, so this gives more features and more compatibility |
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| 21:47.42 | thomas_d | that's when I run apt-get upgrade |
| 21:47.56 | f31n | Igel: no its connected to a usb2.0 |
| 21:48.25 | valdyn | blixten: so practically by having that (unusuable) sda2 you can gave sda5, sda6, sda7 etc. |
| 21:48.28 | somiaj | ahop: you could also jsut write your own udev rules, i'm not sure how ocmplicated this is for automounting though as it is something I don't use. |
| 21:49.03 | blixten | valdyn: okey, so its not a problem per say? |
| 21:49.13 | valdyn | blixten: its not a problem at all |
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| 21:49.40 | blixten | okey, why do i get errors then? :P |
| 21:50.29 | valdyn | blixten: that "error" is your grub, while searching for bootable operating systems not finding any on sda2 |
| 21:50.42 | valdyn | blixten: thats not really an error in the sense that something is wrong |
| 21:51.31 | blixten | valdyn: aha okey, well, then im back to my original grub problem then |
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| 21:52.07 | joshumax | Hi. I just updated lightdm on Debian and now it won't start-up, checking the Xorg log shows that lighdm is passing an unrecognized option: `vt6` to it. Any ideas as to what's going wrong? |
| 21:52.34 | blixten | new kernel with grsec compiled, update-grub updates /boot/grub/grub.cfg but it does not change GRUB_DEFAULT |
| 21:52.48 | ahop | somiaj: what do you call own udev urule? |
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| 21:53.19 | valdyn | blixten: you do that, in /etc/default/grub |
| 21:53.33 | blixten | valdyn: or change GRUB_DEFAULT, it does not "listen" to the option i have given it |
| 21:53.35 | blixten | yes i know |
| 21:53.54 | blixten | it boots the old kernel unless i interfear manually |
| 21:54.10 | Brigo | blixten, did you run update-grub? |
| 21:54.16 | joshumax | blixten: Did you run update-grub |
| 21:54.17 | blixten | Brigo: yeah, and update-grub2 |
| 21:54.18 | joshumax | Whoops |
| 21:54.21 | somiaj | ahop: what ever you want, but I belive you put them in /etc/rules.d/ |
| 21:54.50 | blixten | did them both, and i have no clue what differs update-grub from update-grub2 |
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| 21:56.10 | ahop | somiaj: do you mean I can automatically detect new connect USB sticks with tis? |
| 21:56.37 | somiaj | ahop: udev already does this (then it populates /dev with the new device) |
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| 21:56.56 | somiaj | ahop: so all you have to do is tell udev when it detects a usb masstorage device is connencted to mount it. |
| 21:57.21 | somiaj | ahop: i.e. the rule will happen based off the event of pluging in a usb device. Seems the package usbmount does this for you |
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| 22:00.21 | joshumax | Any ideas regarding my question? |
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| 22:05.21 | Night-Shade | joshumax: remove the vt.handoff option from grub? |
| 22:05.24 | ahop | somiaj: i'd like to try to do it myself |
| 22:05.27 | somiaj | joshumax: did you ever edit/change the config file for lightdm? |
| 22:05.29 | ahop | how could I do it? |
| 22:05.56 | somiaj | ahop: go look it up in google. I don't know more than you need to 1) learn the syntax for udev rules, 2) determine which event to preform this action on. |
| 22:05.58 | joshumax | somiaj: Yes, but only to start LightDM on tty6 |
| 22:06.30 | somiaj | joshumax: that is the issue, either the new lightdm you updated to doesn't like this config, or you have something running on tty6 (I always thought 7 was the default) |
| 22:06.45 | joshumax | somiaj: It isn't on Debian/Hurd |
| 22:06.56 | somiaj | joshumax: but seems the config option you used is not compadable with the new version of lightdm, you'll have to relook at what you are doing. |
| 22:07.12 | joshumax | Hmm, is there a way to check the lightDM config? |
| 22:07.21 | somiaj | if it is something subtle with debian/hurd I may not know, sice I haven't used hurd. |
| 22:07.28 | somiaj | joshumax: it hsould be in /etc with all the other configs |
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| 22:07.52 | blixten | he means a config checker program |
| 22:08.13 | joshumax | somiaj: Gah, there's no linting utility for it |
| 22:08.24 | joshumax | I guess I'll just purge and reinstall |
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| 22:09.17 | somiaj | there are various conf- options you can send apt to say force the default config file and likes you can look at. |
| 22:09.43 | joshumax | Yeah but I don't feel like diff-ing the two, easier just to purge and reinstall |
| 22:09.57 | somiaj | I don't know of a tool that will check configs in debian (unless the software has one already). But there are ways to tell apt to install the default config and overwrite the custom changes (which is not the default behavior) |
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| 22:11.01 | joshumax | somiaj: Things like systemd and X come with config checking tools, I was hoping lightdm had one... |
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| 22:11.39 | joshumax | somiaj: On a fresh lightdm install: "X: Unrecognized option: vt7" |
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| 22:13.10 | somiaj | joshumax: did you upgrade to jessie? |
| 22:13.31 | joshumax | somiaj: Debian/Hurd is stuck on unstable |
| 22:13.46 | joshumax | So I try to be very careful when upgrading |
| 22:14.03 | somiaj | joshumax: maybe you ran across a bug, but the version of lightdm you have doens't seem to like this old config option. Not sure the best thing to do here |
| 22:14.19 | joshumax | somiaj: I even wiped the old config as well...hmm |
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| 22:14.45 | jelly | !hurd |
| 22:14.45 | dpkg | GNU Hurd (<HIRD> of Unix-Replacing Daemons) is a POSIX-compatible collection of servers which run on the Mach microkernel. It is the GNU project's replacement for the Unix kernel. https://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/ #hurd on irc.freenode.net. For the Debian GNU/Hurd port (not an official Debian release), see https://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/ and https://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/hurd-news #debian-hurd on irc.oftc.net. |
| 22:15.07 | Nai98 | How configure iptables in debian 8 for passed in grc shields up? |
| 22:15.10 | jelly | joshumax: ^^ probably a better place for issues specific to that architecture |
| 22:15.12 | somiaj | joshumax: sounds like an issue with X though, and lightdm just isn't aware that it doesn't know the -vt? options anyrmeo. |
| 22:15.32 | somiaj | joshumax: maybe remove the config that passes -vt7 to xorg, and let it pick which vt to be on. |
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| 22:15.50 | Nai98 | How configure iptables in debian 8 for passed in grc shields up? |
| 22:16.08 | jelly | Nai98: what is "grc shields up" |
| 22:16.09 | Nai98 | i try but not work |
| 22:16.26 | Nai98 | jelly: https://www.grc.com |
| 22:16.31 | joshumax | Oh look a dedicated channel |
| 22:16.40 | joshumax | Thanks, jelly |
| 22:17.05 | joshumax | somiaj: Tried that |
| 22:17.06 | FLHerne | jelly: Gibson Research, purveyors of scaremongering semiparanoia ;-) |
| 22:17.19 | Nai98 | jelly: https://www.grc.com click in services and shields up |
| 22:17.23 | joshumax | Well time to bring out the heavy machinery |
| 22:17.26 | Nai98 | i not passed |
| 22:18.00 | jelly | FLHerne: yeah I wasn't aware it was _that_ grc |
| 22:18.25 | t4nk711 | I can't get irssi to load. I get "error while loading shared libraries: libperl.so.5.14" It appears that libperl.so.5.14 is only provided for Wheezy but I've updated to Jessie, which gives libperl.so.5.20. I tried symlinking 5.20 to be treated as 5.14 but then irssi just crashes. |
| 22:18.53 | jelly | Nai98: do you mean the "instant upnp exposure test"? |
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| 22:19.16 | Nai98 | jelly: I put this script firewall in init.d but not work http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=8mj8dX4j |
| 22:19.38 | FLHerne | jelly: Agh, I'd forgotten grc was behind the 'spinrite' insanity :-/ |
| 22:20.01 | jelly | Nai98: what specific issues did GRC's scanner report? |
| 22:20.03 | Nai98 | jelly: iptables not reconoze rules |
| 22:20.53 | jelly | Nai98: is ppp0 really your internet-facing interface? |
| 22:21.02 | Nai98 | jelly: how this rules http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=8mj8dX4j can work in iptables? |
| 22:21.12 | Nai98 | jelly: eth0 |
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| 22:22.03 | jelly | Nai98: your script says ppp0 there, and eth0 for the local segment. |
| 22:22.06 | Nai98 | jelly: eth0 using network-manager |
| 22:22.15 | Nai98 | jelly: how fix this? |
| 22:22.26 | jelly | Nai98: you're using network-manager on a server? |
| 22:22.53 | Nai98 | jelly: network-manager applet for desktop |
| 22:23.19 | jelly | Nai98: do you have a screenshot of issues found by GRC's scanner? |
| 22:24.11 | Nai98 | jelly: i not passed in test |
| 22:24.35 | jelly | Nai98: make a screenshot of the test, or copy/paste results |
| 22:24.37 | Nai98 | jelly: i not passed in test grc |
| 22:24.37 | jelly | !paste |
| 22:24.38 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 22:28.52 | ahop | How to get the source (in tar.gz) of https://packages.debian.org/jessie/usbmount ? |
| 22:28.55 | ahop | I only find .deb |
| 22:30.37 | Brigo | ahop, http://http.debian.net/debian/pool/main/u/usbmount/usbmount_0.0.22.tar.gz |
| 22:30.38 | [nazir] | ahop: maybe ftp://ftp.cz.debian.org/pub/debian/pool/main/u/usbmount/usbmount_0.0.22.tar.gz ? |
| 22:30.51 | Brigo | from that link, right column. |
| 22:31.31 | somiaj | ahop: look in the column to the right, you'll see various dev links including sorce. |
| 22:34.32 | ahop | thanks Brigo somiaj! |
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| 22:35.27 | atom_ | http://paste.debian.net/171137/ |
| 22:36.16 | atom_ | I'm struggling is this issue a couple of days already... |
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| 22:41.45 | FLHerne | atom_: Is that a problem? Looks fine to me :-/ |
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| 22:44.14 | atom_ | FLHerne: this is a freesh installation my desktop just froze in this screen. Therefore I can't boot my system. |
| 22:44.55 | FLHerne | Well, the bit it's logged seems to have gone as normal |
| 22:45.30 | atom_ | FLHerne: the entire installatio was fine but when my Desktop reboot I got stacked there. |
| 22:48.20 | atom_ | FLHerne: The File System Check started and stop to work right after. I left on couple of hours to see what's going on but nothing happened. |
| 22:48.39 | jelly | atom_: debian 8? |
| 22:48.53 | jelly | !systemd debugging |
| 22:48.53 | dpkg | If you have a problem with systemd, see https://wiki.debian.org/systemd#Debugging and http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/Debugging/ for more information on how to debug the issue. If it's a boot problem, start by using systemd.unit=rescue.target systemd.log_target=kmsg systemd.log_level=debug on the kernel command line to get more information |
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| 22:50.06 | atom_ | jelly: yep |
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| 23:17.51 | Bray9082_ | Is debian supported on QNAP Arm devices |
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| 23:20.08 | somiaj | Bray9082_: there is an arm port, but I'm unsure of any issues with that paticular device. YOu could ask in #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net or check out https://wiki.debian.org/ArmHardFloatPort#Supported_devices |
| 23:20.09 | jelly | Bray9082_: maybe. This person has documented some installations of (older) Debian releases on (older) QNAP hardware http://www.cyrius.com/debian/ |
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| 23:20.57 | k_j | why do i get permission denied when trying to run a script .sh? |
| 23:21.00 | Bray9082_ | So the latest release is not available |
| 23:21.22 | jelly | Bray9082_: go read it, I haven't investigated in detail |
| 23:21.30 | Bray9082_ | Alright |
| 23:21.30 | k_j | (as root) |
| 23:21.48 | FLHerne | k_j: By just doing ./abc.sh? |
| 23:21.59 | k_j | sudo ./abc.sh |
| 23:22.00 | FLHerne | Presumably you don't have execute permissions set on it |
| 23:22.18 | jelly | Bray9082_: if the documentation is older than 2014 it likely does not cover Debian 8 |
| 23:22.30 | Bray9082_ | February 2014 |
| 23:22.32 | k_j | +x |
| 23:22.38 | FLHerne | Root doesn't override that - if it's not executable, you can't execute it |
| 23:22.39 | k_j | it has the execution flag |
| 23:22.56 | FLHerne | Huh |
| 23:23.37 | k_j | it's the runasroot.sh in the vguest installation cd |
| 23:23.44 | k_j | of virtualbox |
| 23:23.52 | k_j | my debian 8 is virtualized |
| 23:23.59 | FLHerne | Ah, maybe the CD is mounted noexec? |
| 23:24.02 | k_j | it's a fresh installation |
| 23:24.04 | k_j | let me se |
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| 23:25.06 | k_j | yes, it has the noexec |
| 23:25.47 | k_j | strange however, should not the virtualbox gui mount it without noexec |
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