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| 00:14.00 | r3m | Hi, I have only a cd-rom repo in sources.list. Is there a command to add a mirror please? thanks |
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| 00:48.19 | blixten | what updates /etc/motd these days? |
| 00:49.46 | Brigo | blixten, it is doing using pam |
| 00:50.07 | Brigo | man pam_mot |
| 00:51.01 | themill | blixten: which release of debian? |
| 00:51.09 | blixten | 8.0 |
| 00:51.27 | themill | Nothing changes motd in jessie |
| 00:53.40 | blixten | not even pam? |
| 00:55.13 | themill | pam prints uname -snrvm and show your motd. It doesn't alter it |
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| 00:55.34 | blixten | okey |
| 00:55.40 | themill | (well, it can if you configure it to) |
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| 01:10.50 | themill | blixten: actually, it seems to be a bit more complicated than that in jessie... nothing will overwrite /etc/motd for you but several different things might prepend information to it when displaying it and unfortunately wit will differ depending on what init system you use(!). https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2014/12/msg00368.html |
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| 01:14.01 | blixten | okey |
| 01:14.08 | blixten | so much hassle with this motd |
| 01:14.34 | themill | not being able to agree on the correct course of action makes it harder to implement. |
| 01:14.39 | themill | My normal approach is just to ignore it |
| 01:15.11 | themill | apt-get moo > /etc/motd is about as much customisation as I ever do to it |
| 01:16.15 | blixten | :D |
| 01:16.21 | blixten | http://www.mewbies.com/how_to_customize_your_console_login_message_tutorial.htm |
| 01:16.29 | blixten | figured i should do this, with some alternations maybe |
| 01:16.38 | blixten | but its outdated |
| 01:16.54 | blixten | using /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh |
| 01:17.09 | blixten | but found what i needed in /etc/pam.d/ |
| 01:17.10 | cmhobbs | ignorant question: what's coming down the pipe to replace wheezy? |
| 01:17.30 | blixten | jessie |
| 01:18.09 | cmhobbs | thanks |
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| 01:20.03 | themill | blixten: "2009" in the dates tells you it's certainly not current. (I doubt putting things in the login sequence that require network access or are written in tcl is really such a grand plan either, but hey) |
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| 01:21.17 | blixten | it's just computers anyway |
| 01:21.21 | blixten | and im using windows too |
| 01:21.22 | blixten | so ;P |
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| 01:25.02 | Brigo | blixten, head -n 15 /etc/init.d/motd, quite informative. |
| 01:27.12 | blixten | ah! |
| 01:27.38 | themill | it's also not accurate |
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| 01:48.03 | ryouma | what are the permissions on /tmp in wheezy? i think i just changed them unintentionally. |
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| 01:49.48 | ryouma | they seem to be this currently, but that can't be right: "drwx-----T 5 root root 4.0K 05-03 18:46 ." |
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| 01:50.36 | rjsalts | ryouma: it's usually got go+rwx as well |
| 01:50.58 | ryouma | note to self: "cp -a . /tmp" is a bad idea |
| 01:51.13 | rjsalts | drwxrwxrwt 11 root root 4096 May 4 11:50 |
| 01:51.56 | ryouma | now it says "drwxrwxrwt 5 root root 4.0K 05-03 18:46 ." |
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| 01:52.07 | ryouma | how come the t became a T and then went back to t? |
| 01:52.15 | ryouma | rjsalts: tahnks for listing yours |
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| 01:52.55 | rjsalts | ryouma: T with the sticky bit, t with the sticky bit and the execute bit |
| 01:53.12 | ryouma | ok, great, then it sound slike it's probably correct now then |
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| 01:55.12 | macaco | I tried to use debian but ubuntu feels so warm and tender. |
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| 01:56.15 | rjsalts | macaco: you're welcome to discuss on #debian-offtopic or something |
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| 01:57.50 | macaco | I thought debian was a free project wanting people's freedom, I guess I'm wrong. |
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| 01:58.22 | deion_rifkin | Stop trolling, macaco |
| 01:58.42 | rjsalts | macaco: this is a support channel, if you want to pontificate about debian vs ubuntu this is not the place |
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| 02:12.06 | Remram | Alright, KDE here, each time I drag a "launcher" widget over the task manager the whole thing crashes |
| 02:12.23 | Remram | is this supposed to happen? |
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| 02:13.11 | Remram | also I have no idea how to add shortcuts to that task manager thing |
| 02:13.30 | Remram | apparently there are not widgets but icons inside the "task manager" widget? |
| 02:15.36 | Remram | also I have to do "add widget" for the "remove widget" option to appear in context menus? Why? |
| 02:16.01 | Remram | the KDE version in "stable" Debian is completely unusable |
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| 02:19.49 | Remram | I guess Debian doesn't really intend for the system to be used graphically |
| 02:19.54 | Cullz__ | I've run into a strange little problem with hexchat.. the network list disappeared. |
| 02:19.55 | Cullz__ | I did 'apt-get purge hexchat', and 'apt-get autoremove' and then installed it again |
| 02:20.00 | Cullz__ | then I ran it by root by mistake, and I noticed the network list exists for root but not for normal user |
| 02:20.19 | Cullz__ | This makes me think it could be a Debian permissions quirk? |
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| 02:21.10 | Remram | more of a mistake on your part |
| 02:21.18 | themill | Remram: there are a couple of hard-to-reproduce crashes in the plasma taskbar but don't mistake "I don't know how to use KDE" for "It is not usable" |
| 02:21.27 | Remram | haha right |
| 02:22.05 | Remram | well it crashes every single time you hover a new widget on top of the task manager |
| 02:22.15 | vector213 | that sounds very stable |
| 02:22.16 | Remram | I don't know how "hard to reproduce" that is to the KDE team |
| 02:22.29 | themill | that description is descriptive to you but not to me |
| 02:22.46 | Remram | I didn't name this "task manager", the KDE people did |
| 02:22.51 | Remram | I'm sure they know where to find it |
| 02:23.05 | Remram | it's also the single biggest widget and is there by default |
| 02:23.59 | Remram | and I still find that the "remove" button on widget's context menu only popping up if you click on "add a widget" is more than a usability concern |
| 02:24.21 | themill | Remram: but what does "hover a new widget" mean? |
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| 02:24.31 | Remram | dragging over it |
| 02:24.36 | themill | from where? |
| 02:25.01 | Remram | right click, panel options, add a widget |
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| 02:25.12 | Remram | you have to do that to do anything in KDE apparently (including moving and removing widgets) |
| 02:25.29 | Remram | then drag one on top of task manager, instant crash |
| 02:25.32 | Remram | no need to drop it |
| 02:26.04 | themill | you don't need to click "add widgets" to be able to remove them -- you can right click and say remove |
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| 02:26.10 | Remram | I'd have used the bug report tool, but apparently my "backtrace is not useful" so I can't |
| 02:26.18 | Remram | themill: it doesn't |
| 02:26.20 | themill | and I can't reproduce that problem here |
| 02:26.30 | Remram | you have a "remove this panel" under "panel" |
| 02:26.34 | Remram | but nothing for the widget |
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| 02:27.30 | Remram | I'd take a snapshot but the "print screen" button doesn't work unless you focus a window (!?) |
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| 02:29.13 | Cullz__ | Remram: You could photograph / video the screen with another device? |
| 02:29.21 | Remram | the crash? |
| 02:29.26 | Remram | sure |
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| 02:30.29 | Remram | (no "remove" button: http://i.imgur.com/fS93ofm.png) |
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| 02:32.08 | themill | Remram: you just click on the cashew and then click on the X on the plasmoid. There is no need to click "Add..." to be able to "Remove" |
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| 02:33.31 | Remram | ok, yes, cashew or add |
| 02:33.52 | Remram | since you seem to be a KDE user yourself, do you know how to add launchers? |
| 02:34.11 | Remram | there is a "show a launcher when not running", how do I create a launcher that's always there? |
| 02:34.12 | themill | launcher? |
| 02:34.40 | Remram | there is one for chrome and one for dolphin, I can remove then but not add others (unless I do the "... when not running" thing) |
| 02:35.15 | themill | Ah. I have key bindings for anything I want to run quickly. Screen real-estate is too valuable. |
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| 02:36.32 | themill | Remram: add a "Quick Launch" plasmoid to the panel. You can "Add Launcher" to that |
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| 02:36.48 | Remram | but there already are launchers to the task manager |
| 02:36.55 | Remram | am I not allowed to use that? |
| 02:37.16 | themill | I have no idea what they are or where they have come from |
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| 02:37.51 | Remram | it's not just me after all |
| 02:37.56 | themill | That may well be the Quick Launch plasmoid already. Right click and see |
| 02:38.36 | Remram | I did, totally a "launcher" in the "task manager" widget |
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| 02:39.05 | Remram | (I don't see the term "plasmoid" anywhere, so I'm just going to call them "widget", that's what KDE calls them) |
| 02:39.15 | themill | You cannot put any plasmoids inside the task manager plasmoid -- you can put them on the same panel |
| 02:39.20 | Remram | yes |
| 02:39.29 | Remram | still, there are launchers in the task manager widget |
| 02:39.50 | Remram | or there were, because I removed them and have no way to put the ones I want instead |
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| 02:40.19 | themill | Add a Quick Launch widget to the panel... |
| 02:41.17 | jelly | Remram: the task manager widget has a feature to embed something that looks and feels like a launcher icon for an app, which is then visible only when that app is not working |
| 02:41.23 | Remram | it's not easy when every time it passes over the task manager, the whole desktop crashes |
| 02:41.30 | Remram | but I'll try and add that quick launch widget |
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| 02:42.47 | jelly | Remram: this can be enabled right clicking on a working app's entry in the task manager -> Show a Launcher When Not Running |
| 02:42.57 | Remram | I know |
| 02:43.09 | Remram | I want them even if it's running |
| 02:43.17 | Remram | the same way dolphin and chrome showed |
| 02:43.23 | jelly | that's just silly! :-) |
| 02:43.29 | Remram | it was there... |
| 02:43.46 | themill | they will have been in the quick launch plasmoid... |
| 02:43.49 | Remram | I agree though, it's totally redundant if there is a "quick launch" one |
| 02:43.51 | Se7enElv1 | I have a problem with plasma 5.3. |
| 02:43.54 | Se7enElv1 | I am unable to change the keyboard layout. |
| 02:43.56 | Se7enElv1 | Error: Cannot load libary /usr/lib/qt/plugins/kcm_keyboard.so:(/usr/lib/libstdc++.so 6z"version GLIBCXX+3.4.21 not found (required by /usr/lib/qt/plugins/kcm_keyboard.so))???yY |
| 02:43.56 | Remram | there totally weren't |
| 02:44.05 | Se7enElv1 | any idea |
| 02:44.19 | jelly | Se7enElv1: where did you get plasma 5.3 for debian anyway |
| 02:44.45 | themill | Remram: dolphin and your current browser are the two things that appear in that plasmoid and that's the only plasmoid that I know of that acts as a launcher like this |
| 02:45.01 | Se7enElv1 | ups wrong # :) |
| 02:45.09 | Remram | well I can remove them |
| 02:45.17 | Remram | so I expected there was a way to add them back |
| 02:45.20 | Remram | was that wrong? |
| 02:45.26 | themill | how did you remove them? |
| 02:45.32 | Remram | right click, "remove this launcher" |
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| 02:46.10 | polardroid | Remram, have you tried right clik > add to panel ? |
| 02:46.16 | Remram | I'll make you a screenshot, I can see you don't believe me |
| 02:46.21 | Remram | polardroid: that creates an actual widget |
| 02:46.26 | packetprophet | hey im having a big issue with debian 8 |
| 02:46.30 | packetprophet | my whole desktop is rekt |
| 02:46.36 | packetprophet | http://i.imgur.com/VrzWpQP.jpg |
| 02:46.37 | themill | Remram: if you completely emptied the launcher perhaps it removed itself from the panel. (or perhaps that's why plasma is now crashing) |
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| 02:46.40 | packetprophet | is this normal? |
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| 02:46.59 | Remram | it's really rude though |
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| 02:47.11 | SirLagz | jelly: thanks. Opened that at work =/ |
| 02:47.16 | SirLagz | jelly: that was a mistake |
| 02:47.17 | jelly | ^^ gay pron link. NSFW |
| 02:47.28 | SirLagz | lucky no one walked past just then =/ |
| 02:47.29 | themill | Remram: If you only clicked "Remove launcher" it should have gone back to the "Rocket" icon that lets you add a new one |
| 02:47.47 | jelly | SirLagz: they'd have thought you were a cocky fellow |
| 02:47.50 | Remram | themill: http://i.imgur.com/RWvJg2M.png |
| 02:47.53 | SirLagz | next time, I'll wait for someone else to open itn first |
| 02:47.54 | SirLagz | jelly: rofl. |
| 02:48.03 | Remram | can't see my pointer, but I right-clicked on the dolphin icon |
| 02:48.10 | KM0201 | never ever open a link in IRC, unless you absolutely trust the person doing it... especially an image |
| 02:48.13 | Remram | it's totally inside the task manager, and it's also called a "launcher" |
| 02:48.19 | SirLagz | KM0201: lesson learnt =/ |
| 02:48.21 | themill | Remram: that's the task manager one that you said you didn't want.... |
| 02:48.27 | Remram | that's the one I want |
| 02:48.36 | KM0201 | SirCmpwn: don't worry, i learned it a while ago... (long while ago).. .the pic was way worse than that |
| 02:48.40 | themill | so what have we spent the last 20 min on? |
| 02:48.44 | SirLagz | KM0201: tubgirl ? :P |
| 02:48.47 | Remram | you didn't give a solution |
| 02:48.47 | themill | You already know how to make them |
| 02:48.53 | KM0201 | asks not to be reminded |
| 02:48.57 | SirCmpwn | sighs |
| 02:49.00 | Remram | there is one way to make one that only shows if the app is not running |
| 02:49.03 | SirLagz | KM0201: I generally like to help people, hence looking |
| 02:49.06 | SirLagz | SirCmpwn: lol. sorry :P |
| 02:49.07 | Remram | so that's not it |
| 02:49.20 | KM0201 | it's understandable... |
| 02:49.21 | themill | Remram: they only exist if the app is not running... |
| 02:49.32 | Remram | well install a fresh KDE and you'll see that you're wrong |
| 02:49.39 | SirLagz | KM0201: dammit. I cannot unsee what I just saw |
| 02:49.51 | Remram | if you're going to keep calling me a liar there is really nothing I can do |
| 02:49.53 | SirLagz | KM0201: bbl. going to gouge my eyes out with a jagged shard of glass |
| 02:50.07 | KM0201 | lol |
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| 02:50.51 | Remram | isn't there any KDE manual that even mentions the task manager? |
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| 02:52.23 | Remram | I guess not |
| 02:53.03 | themill | Remram: I just tested and you are indeed mistaken. If I click on the launcher in the task manager, it opens the program and immediately disappears |
| 02:53.30 | Remram | wow, the manual doesn't call plasmoids plasmoids, or even widgets, but "applets". How old is this thing |
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| 02:54.49 | plasma__ | How can I upgrade my iwlwifi 7260 driver and firmware? I'm stuck on iwlwifi-7260-7.ucode, which has bugs, and I want to run -12, the latest |
| 02:55.34 | plasma__ | my kernel is 3.12-1-amd64, and modinfo iwlwifi says it has firmware: iwlwifi-7260-7.ucode. If I replace that file with -12 I get an API error, as it's not compatible, apparently |
| 02:55.55 | plasma__ | damnit, I'm not in debian-next, am I? |
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| 02:56.36 | plasma__ | wtf irssi. |
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| 02:57.13 | Remram | themill: http://i.imgur.com/zmDOW8b.png |
| 02:57.27 | Remram | themill: holy s***, only chrome stays in there once launched |
| 02:57.39 | plasma__ | oh, it forwards to #debian now. Well then, my question stands! |
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| 02:57.55 | karan | can i get debian installer on a USB ? |
| 02:58.00 | karan | all3 disks ? |
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| 02:58.28 | themill | plasma__: #debian-next is on irc.oftc.net (as per /topic), but I'm not sure why you want to ask questions in #debian-next when you're using a quite old kernel. |
| 02:58.29 | swordsmanz | eww kde |
| 02:58.53 | dvs | karan: You can put the first disk on USB |
| 02:59.05 | plasma__ | themill: The topic just says "home page for #debian" for me, but I'm not used to irssi. Weird though, I just did an apt-get update, upgrade |
| 02:59.11 | plasma__ | figured thi sis hte latest kernel.. |
| 02:59.28 | Remram | I'm getting: Err http://http.debian.net jessie-backports/main i386 Packages |
| 02:59.32 | jelly | swordsmanz: keep comments like that to yourself, unless it's a support question or giving support help, best keep quiet |
| 02:59.45 | themill | plasma__: that's a chanerv message; your kernel is older than the current stable release |
| 02:59.56 | plasma__ | is it? wtf... |
| 02:59.57 | karan | then how will i do the other disks for instaltin ? |
| 03:00.06 | swordsmanz | jelly im sorry <_< |
| 03:00.07 | plasma__ | my grub config doesn't seem to have other options, either |
| 03:00.14 | swordsmanz | its just so ugly |
| 03:00.15 | plasma__ | yeah, uname -r is 3.12-1-amd64 |
| 03:00.57 | shingouz | karan: you can pull the stuff straight off the net. if you cannot get the net, you can use a cd, dvd, or with a bit of hacking even an usb stick |
| 03:01.30 | dvs | karan: How big is your USB? |
| 03:01.36 | karan | 32 gigs |
| 03:01.54 | dvs | karan: So download the first Blu-Ray iso |
| 03:02.27 | Remram | just netinstall anyway, writing to USB is slow |
| 03:02.40 | dvs | ??? |
| 03:02.52 | karan | network install ? |
| 03:02.56 | dvs | it's still faster than an internet connection |
| 03:03.04 | Remram | I'm not sure that's the case |
| 03:06.24 | Remram | I can't record the crash while dragging a widget |
| 03:06.32 | Remram | when it crashes, recordmydesktop seg. faults too |
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| 03:10.08 | Remram | haha VLC crashes the second you start recording the desktop |
| 03:10.23 | polardroid | Remram, anything in the ksystemlog round the times of those crashes ? |
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| 03:11.24 | Remram | what is that? |
| 03:11.36 | polardroid | system logs etc |
| 03:12.01 | Remram | if KDE has logs I don't know where they are |
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| 03:13.36 | polardroid | for me its apps > system > ksystemlog |
| 03:13.42 | Remram | looks like I need to install ksystemlog, real swell |
| 03:14.13 | Remram | ok, ran it, got a popup "don't have permission to read /var/log/syslog", then ksystemlog seg faulted |
| 03:14.20 | Remram | all of this is real stable indeed |
| 03:14.45 | Remram | "ksystemlog PID: 9955 Signal: Segmentation fault (11) Time: 2015-05-03 23:13:53" |
| 03:15.15 | Remram | as usual, "this report does not contain enough information for the developers" |
| 03:15.48 | Remram | it's like they're not even trying to fix their bugs |
| 03:15.57 | Remram | is the bug reporting tool just disabled or? |
| 03:16.10 | Remram | what do I have to do for it to report? |
| 03:17.22 | Remram | fuck it I'm emailing the maintainer |
| 03:17.26 | Remram | this is ridiculous |
| 03:17.30 | Remram | shipping software like that |
| 03:18.07 | jerichowasahoax | %power ALL=(ALL:ALL) NOPASSWD: /sbin/shutdown,/usr/bin/cpufreq-set |
| 03:18.13 | Remram | having a bug reporting tool that just blurts out "this is not useful" everytime you agree to submit a bug report |
| 03:18.13 | jerichowasahoax | nothing syntactically wrong with that sudoers line, is there |
| 03:19.19 | jerichowasahoax | Remram: the bug reporting tool is looking for things like debug symbols and gdb libraries and so on and so on and so on |
| 03:19.20 | Remram | haha the email link is broken too |
| 03:19.22 | Remram | god |
| 03:19.49 | jerichowasahoax | Remram: Debian typically does not include those in the packaged programs for space reasons |
| 03:20.07 | Remram | couldn't the crash reporting "assistant" say that? |
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| 03:20.36 | jerichowasahoax | Remram: It *does*. Somewhere. I haven't had anything crash on me since the last time phonon-vlc broke, however, so I couldn't tell you where |
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| 03:22.56 | iflema | VLC.. play anything you like.. just dont stream, record or convert it... |
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| 03:23.58 | jerichowasahoax | i really don't get why VLC is such garbage in Linux, i mean it Works in Windows⢠|
| 03:24.25 | iflema | no i doesnt |
| 03:24.41 | iflema | it |
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| 03:24.55 | jelly | Remram: you need relevant -dbg packages installed to get useful info out of backtraces |
| 03:25.15 | jerichowasahoax | iflema: actually, both me and several others have had roaring success using VLC within Windows for nearly everything. It's just Linux where it's terrible |
| 03:25.32 | jerichowasahoax | iflema: which isn't so bad since Linux has a gajillion other video players that are wonderful, but still |
| 03:25.34 | iflema | growls |
| 03:25.39 | Remram | ok well my whole desktop is black |
| 03:25.51 | Remram | it didn't restart after the last dragging-over-task crash |
| 03:25.59 | Remram | how do I restart it? |
| 03:26.18 | Remram | I have this console I'm irssing from |
| 03:26.26 | jerichowasahoax | Remram: Restart KDM in your init system |
| 03:26.42 | Remram | can't I just restart plasma-something? |
| 03:27.06 | jerichowasahoax | Remram: I'm sure you could, but it's way faster and more complete to just restart X entirely |
| 03:27.11 | jerichowasahoax | Remram: wait |
| 03:27.13 | jelly | Remram: "service kdm restart". You may try to pkill -11 plasma-desktop, but that might not fix things |
| 03:27.15 | jerichowasahoax | Remram: Do you have compositing on? |
| 03:27.22 | Remram | I don't know |
| 03:27.31 | jerichowasahoax | Remram: aka "Desktop Effects" |
| 03:27.34 | Remram | default settings everywhere, installed yesterday |
| 03:27.38 | jerichowasahoax | Remram: aka transparency and so forth |
| 03:27.45 | Remram | can't access system settings because the desktop is gone |
| 03:27.48 | jelly | aka "wobbly windows and translucent fiddly bits" |
| 03:27.51 | jerichowasahoax | Remram: so probably yes. In that case, go back to your desktop and Alt+Shift+F12 |
| 03:27.53 | Remram | I'm happy to tell you afterwards |
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| 03:28.19 | Remram | everything blinks and konsole shows it's current size. Rest is still black |
| 03:28.22 | jerichowasahoax | Remram: This will turn off compositing and bring your desktop back (though considerably less shiny). Then you can hit that hotkey again and the compositing will come back. |
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| 03:28.58 | Remram | but yeah windows are not wobbly anymore |
| 03:29.03 | jerichowasahoax | Remram: The problem is something somewhere does *not* like Ctrl+Alt+F1 at all. I haven't figured out if it's X.Org or KWin or what |
| 03:29.21 | Remram | well I'm gonna have to do that to restart kdm anyway |
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| 03:29.42 | jerichowasahoax | Remram: do alt+shift+f12 on your desktop before you do *anything* else to try to fix the black screen |
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| 03:29.47 | jerichowasahoax | Remram: it may be that simple. |
| 03:30.24 | Remram | too late |
| 03:30.27 | jerichowasahoax | Remram: oh, wait yo udid, I see the results now, sorry for being blind |
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| 03:31.12 | Remram | anyway. Apart from that crash each time I try to add a widget, seems pretty usable |
| 03:31.22 | Remram | you won't see me reporting bugs I guess |
| 03:31.36 | Remram | since, you know, the reporting tool doesn't let me |
| 03:31.56 | jerichowasahoax | Remram: Is it a specific widget in a specific location, or is it all of them everywhere? |
| 03:32.00 | jerichowasahoax | Remram: what KDE version? |
| 03:32.03 | themill | or you could install the dbg packages as suggested... |
| 03:32.31 | Remram | any widget from the "add widget" thing |
| 03:32.55 | Remram | when I drag it over a task icon in the "task manager" widget, plasma-desktop seg faults |
| 03:33.36 | jerichowasahoax | well it shouldn't be segfaulting, you're right, but what did you expect that to do? |
| 03:34.03 | Remram | nothing |
| 03:34.16 | Remram | I expected to reach the intended place where I want that widget to be and drop it |
| 03:34.36 | Remram | I didn't intend for the whole desktop to crash half-way |
| 03:34.41 | trysten | what is a program i can use to pull the first frame from a gif? |
| 03:34.49 | Remram | convert |
| 03:34.56 | jerichowasahoax | ok, it was just the way you worded that sounded like you were dropping it onto a task like it was supposed to do something, so i was a little confused |
| 03:35.00 | jerichowasahoax | good to know it was a misunderstanding |
| 03:35.05 | Remram | themill: I can't find what these packages might be |
| 03:35.13 | Remram | oh yeah no I'm just flying over it |
| 03:35.24 | jerichowasahoax | Remram: for instance, plasma-workspace-dbg |
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| 03:35.56 | themill | Remram: you could ask what they might be rather than ranting. You'd also probably get more help... |
| 03:36.03 | jerichowasahoax | trysten: "convert" from imagemagick should help. if you already have the GIMP installed for other reasons that could do it too but it's not exactly a script-friendly solution |
| 03:36.21 | Remram | well I can't get the reporting thing to pop up again |
| 03:36.27 | Remram | still crashes, but no reporting thing |
| 03:37.10 | Remram | hard to tell what libs need their -dbg for the backtrace to make sense when I can't see the backtrace |
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| 03:37.29 | Remram | themill: can you tell me how to get the reporting assistant to pop up again? please |
| 03:37.57 | Remram | I mean I don't know why I go through this trouble, I know what happens when I submit bug reports to Debian |
| 03:38.03 | Remram | but this feels rather critical so |
| 03:38.32 | jerichowasahoax | Remram: drkonqi (the KDE bug reporter) i think submits directly to bugs.kde.org |
| 03:38.40 | jerichowasahoax | unless Debian patched it |
| 03:38.55 | Remram | yeah but it used to pop up after a crash |
| 03:38.57 | Remram | now it doesn't |
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| 03:39.59 | jerichowasahoax | Remram: you could test to make sure it still works with "killall -SEGV knotify4" |
| 03:40.05 | Remram | I closed it once without reporting, now it doesn't pop up :( |
| 03:40.28 | jerichowasahoax | Remram: there'd be no point in submitting a bug report because you caused the segfault manually but it's a better test method than any of the others I can think of |
| 03:40.33 | Remram | jerichowasahoax: that triggered it |
| 03:40.49 | Remram | still don't get it for plasma-desktop crashes |
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| 03:41.50 | Remram | do I need to reboot or something? |
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| 03:41.59 | Remram | is KDE windows? |
| 03:42.05 | jerichowasahoax | Remram: well, you could move .kde to .kde.old and relogin to see if a fresh prefix fixes it |
| 03:42.22 | jerichowasahoax | Remram: if it does the problem lies somewhere within your configuration |
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| 03:43.22 | Remram | ok no logging out and in fixed it |
| 03:43.29 | Remram | this is actually turning into windows |
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| 03:44.39 | Remram | so here's the backtrace: http://paste.pound-python.org/show/OSJ8eh1pJrwbm2YJIgIi/ |
| 03:44.53 | Remram | apparently not enough for the reporting assistant to report |
| 03:45.59 | Remram | themill, if it's not too much to ask, now that the information is there, do you know which -dbg packages it needs? |
| 03:46.11 | trysten | thanks jerichowasahoax, Remram |
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| 03:49.49 | Remram | or jerichowasahoax |
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| 03:50.59 | Remram | (KDE is 4.14.2, Qt 4.8.6, plasma-desktop 4.11.13) |
| 03:51.14 | jerichowasahoax | Remram: When you get to the screen where it tells you what could be useful, there's a link at the bottom of the dialog that says "list of files). That will give you a hint |
| 03:52.03 | Remram | these are binaries |
| 03:52.32 | jerichowasahoax | Remram: Yes, the list of binaries it wants the debug information for. |
| 03:52.47 | Remram | for instance, there's /usr/bin/plasma-desktop in there, which comes from package plasma-desktop |
| 03:52.53 | jerichowasahoax | Remram: based on that, you figure out which packages they came from, then add -dbg to it |
| 03:52.56 | Remram | I'd install plasma-desktop-dbg if it existed but... |
| 03:53.38 | Remram | since it doesn't, I'm really not sure what to do |
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| 03:54.13 | jerichowasahoax | Remram: are you sure it comes from plasma-desktop? |
| 03:54.27 | Remram | apt-file says so |
| 03:55.30 | Remram | there's no secret, you can't get quality software if your quality process sucks |
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| 03:55.53 | Remram | if it takes #debian a whole night to report a bug, it's no wonder KDE has bugs |
| 03:56.15 | jerichowasahoax | Remram: KDE is *not* a Debian project. |
| 03:56.18 | Rusty1 | could ask #kde , never know |
| 03:56.48 | Remram | I don't think they'd know where Debian put their debug symbols :/ |
| 03:57.41 | Rusty1 | could ask #kde , never know untill you ask |
| 03:58.10 | Remram | alright, just did |
| 03:58.45 | Rusty1 | given the time EU , it might be awhile |
| 03:58.48 | jerichowasahoax | Remram: In the meantime, get the -dbg packages for as much of that list as you can |
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| 03:59.35 | Remram | found a kde-runtime-dbg |
| 03:59.54 | Remram | libqt4-dbg |
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| 04:00.24 | Remram | gonna have to sleep soon, work tomorrow (probably from Windows, way more stable as it stands) |
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| 04:02.05 | collizion | Remram: If everything you say is as bile-laden as what you've been saying here, it's a wonder you ever get anything done. |
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| 04:13.26 | Remram | collizion: it's been 2 hours |
| 04:13.37 | Remram | trying to report one bug and just jumping from one crash to another |
| 04:13.56 | Remram | I only have a limited supply of patience |
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| 04:14.29 | Remram | maybe less than others, I might be flawed that way, and for that I apologize |
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| 04:16.50 | Remram | not to you though. That was way more disrespectful by far and I don't care for it |
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| 04:18.39 | Remram | not helping a bit, showing afterwards to offer useless, unasked for opinions and jumping to conclusions. I'm sure your own colleagues love you ;) |
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| 04:24.31 | Remram | well, there it is: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=347139 |
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| 04:41.33 | Name141 | Is it me or is 8 a lot quicker on the restart/shutdown ? |
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| 04:44.00 | KM0201 | Name141: seems the same to me.. |
| 04:44.18 | Name141 | KM0201: It seems to be almost instant for me now instead of 30 secondish |
| 04:44.28 | Name141 | Before I could log out of SSH before I noticed that machine dead |
| 04:44.37 | Name141 | now it's dead before I can look down and putty dies fast |
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| 04:45.25 | Arrowmaster | thats from the switch to systemd |
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| 04:58.29 | Name141 | systemd? |
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| 05:04.59 | peterrooney | It's you. |
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| 05:07.46 | Name141 | Maybe it's Mabeline ? |
| 05:07.48 | Name141 | (spelling) |
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| 05:28.52 | anth0ny_ | I think I borked my network configs. I uninstalled network-manager on Rasbpian, and now when I boot my machine eth0 is not present in ifconfig. I can run âifconfig eth0 upâ which brings it up but has no IP assigned. I can then run âdhclient eth0â which gives it an IP. my /etc/network/interface is : http://dpaste.com/2R9VA3M. Any ideas as to the right way to bring the eth0 interface up on boot? |
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| 05:49.08 | thomas_d | anth0ny_: it has to do with /etc/init.d/networking or /etc/init.d/network-manager |
| 05:49.30 | thomas_d | I'm no expert by any means and I haven't used raspbian before either but I had a similar issue on debian the other day too |
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| 05:50.00 | anth0ny_ | thomas_d: ah, iâll take a look. are you suggesting that networking isnât running on boot? |
| 05:50.40 | thomas_d | well I'm just under the impression that that's where the files are that deal with starting up on boot |
| 05:51.02 | thomas_d | I haven't used raspbian before, is it just CLI, no network-manager, right? |
| 05:51.23 | thomas_d | my problem the other week was conflicting configurations coming from network-manager and networking |
| 05:51.27 | SirLagz | anth0ny_: have you asked #raspbian ? |
| 05:51.35 | anth0ny_ | doing so now |
| 05:53.07 | thomas_d | jee update && upgrade is taking foreverrrr lol |
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| 06:08.13 | halt | Hi all, again I'm hunting for an simple way to find the latest ami id for the debian 64bit image on cli, can someone point me to the right direction please ? |
| 06:09.03 | halt | Not sure where i have better chance to get a solution, is that the aws should give an api or the debian publush the lasted id somewhere |
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| 06:25.21 | somiaj | halt: I don't think the ami is made by debian so you'll have to look into who ever makes them. I thought aws had a way to search ami's, you can also make your own. |
| 06:26.20 | halt | this looks quite official, but you maybe right https://aws.amazon.com/marketplace/seller-profile?id=890be55d-32d8-4bc8-9042-2b4fd83064d5 |
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| 06:29.09 | somiaj | Been a while since I've looked at what was there. I figured the |
| 06:29.16 | halt | somiaj: found it in the meantime, thanks anyway https://wiki.debian.org/Cloud/AmazonEC2Image |
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| 06:29.37 | halt | still not the best since i have to parser it from cli but that at least something |
| 06:30.28 | somiaj | no problem, yea been a while since I've seen what ami's were out there. Didn't realize debian was producing some, the ones I always saw were from individuials. |
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| 06:36.08 | LeadCenobite | Bom Dia |
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| 06:38.59 | shay_shay | been a while since I wasn't afflicted |
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| 06:40.31 | shay_shay | you both said "its been a while" so it made me think of that 90s song |
| 06:41.01 | shay_shay | oh, not both, just somiaj twice :P |
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| 06:48.55 | superfast | hi |
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| 06:55.06 | shay_shay | hello superfast |
| 06:55.30 | moetunes | superfast is slow to respond |
| 06:55.59 | superfast | I am trying to configure SMB in Debian |
| 06:56.04 | superfast | but I am not sure which packages to install |
| 06:56.18 | superfast | samba and samba-client both or just one |
| 06:56.37 | superfast | I want to share and access files |
| 06:56.37 | shay_shay | "samba" |
| 06:56.37 | ShadowKatStudios | samba is the server, I assume. |
| 06:56.49 | shay_shay | well then install both |
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| 06:56.56 | superfast | ok then done. |
| 06:56.58 | shay_shay | if you want to be a client and a server |
| 06:57.08 | superfast | kk |
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| 06:59.14 | superfast | I like to manually configure smb.conf |
| 06:59.21 | superfast | does Debian have a GUI for it? |
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| 06:59.59 | somiaj | I've always just used $EDITOR |
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| 07:01.43 | superfast | somiaj, manually editing the file? |
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| 07:06.45 | shay_shay | superfast: you could try something like webmin |
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| 07:07.47 | shay_shay | I don't recommend that. just saying if thats what you really want |
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| 07:10.27 | no_gravity | often when want to start a gnome application from the terminal, i get "Could not parse arguments: Cannot open display:". then i have to close all terminals and start a new one to make it work again. |
| 07:10.31 | no_gravity | any ideas why? |
| 07:10.33 | superfast | shay_shay, how do I access it? also is the Public Folder shared by default? |
| 07:10.41 | superfast | When you turn on file sharing |
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| 07:12.32 | superfast | I see that the Public Folder is shared when you turn on Personal file sharing |
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| 07:14.30 | moetunes | no_gravity: are you using the gnome de or just some gnome apps? |
| 07:14.38 | no_gravity | moetunes: i use gnome |
| 07:14.46 | moetunes | no idea then |
| 07:15.07 | NetBilly | Hello. I moved to debian from PCBSD to get a more stable wine, but pulseaudio is not supported by wine. I tried to switch audio to alsa but could not get it working. Any advice ? |
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| 07:16.23 | moetunes | alsa should work ootb |
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| 07:19.08 | superfast | shay_shay, what do you use for secure deletion? srm? shred? wipe? |
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| 07:21.58 | babilen | NetBilly: You shouldn't have to do anything to "switch" to alsa. PA sits on top of it and doesn't replace it. |
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| 07:26.07 | NetBilly | wine has no sound |
| 07:26.10 | NetBilly | it sucks |
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| 07:26.48 | alex_goodman | try vodka |
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| 07:27.48 | NetBilly | at least arduino IDE works. It doesn't work on PCBSD. But I might switch back because of my games |
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| 07:30.17 | ideb | hello people. I have a ralink wireless card; I have installed rt2860.bin via the package manager. but my wireless card keeps getting "hardware disabled", even if there's no switch at all. the strange thing is, sometimes, after reboot, out of the blue, the wireless *does* work, until i reboot/turn it off. after that it's back to being hardware disabled again. rfkill unblock all/wifi does not help one bit. any |
| 07:30.19 | ideb | suggestions ? are the ralink drivers provided by the package manager deprecated? |
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| 07:46.38 | babilen | ideb: In order to debug this we would at least have to know which card you have exactly (run "lspci -knn|grep -A2 network" and paste it to, say, http://paste.debian.net) along with information on your kernel, release, version of whatever package you installed for rt2860.bin. Also reload the kernel module (you see it in the output of the lspci command) with "modprove -r $MODULE ; modprobe $MODULE" and check |
| 07:46.40 | superfast | why is there no hunspell package for UK/GB english in Debian? |
| 07:46.44 | babilen | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:46.46 | babilen | ... -n200". The output of iwconfig would also be of interest. |
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| 07:57.06 | superfast | how to issue update and upgrade in one line? |
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| 07:58.00 | fn | does anyone use nginx with SSL and could help me with my user dirs? |
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| 07:58.03 | moetunes | use && |
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| 07:59.15 | moetunes | apt-get update && apt-get upgrade superfast |
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| 08:00.28 | TobiasWeiss | I have a problem with python-pycurl in unstable. The post-inst-script crashes and is blocking further updates. My attemps to remove the package failed with dpkg |
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| 08:01.55 | babilen | TobiasWeiss: You want #debian-next on irc.oftc.net and it would be great if you could paste applicable commands and their output ot http://paste.debian.net and give us the URL |
| 08:02.02 | babilen | (cf. /topic ) |
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| 08:02.23 | TobiasWeiss | ok, thx babilen |
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| 08:03.27 | babilen | I'd also add "set -x" to the postinst script to see where it "crashes" exactly (unless that's obvious already) |
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| 08:07.42 | thomas_d | hey how do I use these files? http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie/main/installer-amd64/current/images/hd-media/ |
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| 08:08.31 | hblack | yo |
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| 08:13.12 | romel | thomas_d: you can boot any amd64 system into debian installer by putting these files right on your hdd and telling bootloader to use them |
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| 08:13.46 | uumac | why there is mysql-server package and mysql-server-5.5 both seems to have the same version ... which to install when i later updating software |
| 08:14.15 | TobiasWeiss | I have a problem with python-pycurl from unstable. post-inst/pre-remove-scripts fails and are blocking apt now https://paste.debian.net/171227/ |
| 08:14.35 | tomodachi | Hi, Im using a debian for hosting a git repo. Using ldap for auth, enabling users to use their ldap credentials to do git operations over ssh but not log in over ssh , how does one do that? specifying the git shell would work for each user in the ldap. but we have other systems that uses ldap auth., and dont want the users to get a git shell on those machines |
| 08:14.47 | SirLagz | uumac: mysql-server package is a meta package |
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| 08:15.01 | SirLagz | uumac: just install mysql-server and it will take care of dependencies |
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| 08:17.44 | uumac | SirLagz ok , btw just informative way how i can see what dependencies it includes ? https://packages.debian.org/jessie/mysql-server is it the red mark "depends" ? |
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| 08:18.57 | SirLagz | uumac: yes |
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| 08:21.02 | romel | uumac: i would rather use 'apt-cache depends mysql-server' instead |
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| 08:21.58 | uumac | romel ty gona try this. |
| 08:22.13 | babilen | thomas_d: Why do you think that you want to use them? What are you trying to achieve? |
| 08:22.32 | babilen | thomas_d: unstable is supported in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net |
| 08:22.39 | babilen | TobiasWeiss: ^ |
| 08:23.09 | Wegge | What does it take to get apache24 to support TLS > 1.0 ? |
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| 08:23.43 | moetunes | aa pentagram and blood |
| 08:23.59 | romel | :) |
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| 08:25.56 | dr_hitchcock | Hi all, my apache server is not happy after upgrading to Jessie. So I'm trying to re-install it with not much luck. Does anyone have any tips or a good guide to doing this? |
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| 08:26.14 | Wegge | dr_hitchcock, Unhappy how? |
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| 08:28.03 | dr_hitchcock | Apache at the mo is coming up with: http://pastebin.com/DmJHcGtr |
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| 08:29.34 | romel | so what's on 2nd line of /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/access_compat.load ? |
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| 08:32.33 | Wegge | moetunes, Can you elaborate? Blood of which species, and in what quantity? |
| 08:33.08 | dr_hitchcock | LoadModule access_compat_module /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_access_compat.so |
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| 08:36.06 | Wegge | What does dpkg -V apache2-bin say? |
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| 08:36.34 | uumac | the default value for pdo_mysql.default_socket is /tmp/mysql.sock but in this directive i don't see any mysql.sock do anyone know how to find the mysql sock path ? |
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| 08:37.33 | dr_hitchcock | Wegge: http://pastebin.com/Wtcs6v06 |
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| 08:38.42 | romel | uumac: are you sure mysqld is running and listening on this socket? you should check your mysql config to see exact socket path |
| 08:39.31 | Wegge | dr_hitchcock, I think you shoul reinstall the apache2-bin package |
| 08:39.56 | uumac | romel sry i know it sounds dumb, but do you know the mysql path i mean where i find the configs ? i was searching the /etc folder like everything is insttalled there but no success. |
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| 08:41.11 | Wegge | While the LoadModule looks OK, you shouldn't get any output from a dpkg -V, and even less so multiple lines for the same file. |
| 08:41.29 | romel | uumac: i think /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock is the default socket path for mysql-server package |
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| 08:47.09 | tytan | Hello, everyone. I have a 3TB HDD and want to back it up as a tgz on a 1TB HDD. Will I run into problems? |
| 08:47.25 | hashworks | Maybe the 3TB HDD won't fit on the 1TB HDD? |
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| 08:47.55 | romel | uumac: there should be /etc/mysql directory coming with a package i suppose |
| 08:47.58 | dr_hitchcock | After a purge I tried to re-install apache with the following error: http://pastebin.com/2hrs6MXg |
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| 08:48.06 | FLHerne | tytan: Depends how compressible your 3TB of stuff is? |
| 08:48.12 | tytan | maybe the backup file will be smaller since I only used 500GB on the 3TB HDD? |
| 08:48.15 | neglesaks | unless it's text files and mostly-text PDF's youre not likely to get the data to fit. Esp. if its video and JPG images |
| 08:48.27 | hashworks | dr_hitchcock: do sudo journalctl -eu apache2 |
| 08:48.27 | uumac | romel yea found it. |
| 08:48.36 | hashworks | This should give you more information |
| 08:49.15 | FLHerne | tytan: In that case it should be fine, if you're tarballing the actual files and not a disk image |
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| 08:49.36 | FLHerne | tytan: You might want to look at the various flags for which permissions/ownership bits to preserve |
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| 08:50.02 | tytan | FLHerne so if I do dd if=/dev/sda bs=1M | gzip > /media/sdb1/backup.img.gz I could be fine? |
| 08:50.16 | dr_hitchcock | http://pastebin.com/N2mrE39S |
| 08:50.22 | hashworks | Seems like the WLAN on my laptop stopped working - whenever I tell it to connect somewhere it switches to the "connecting" symbol for a micro second and then it goes back to "no connection". Nothing in dmesg, any idea how I can debug this a bit more? |
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| 08:50.33 | hashworks | tytan: I think dd will create a 3TB image |
| 08:50.41 | FLHerne | tytan: "should be fine, if you're tarballing the actual files and not a disk image" is what I just said |
| 08:50.48 | FLHerne | tytan: Now, what does that command do? |
| 08:50.49 | hashworks | So, yeah, that won't work |
| 08:51.16 | FLHerne | That's not even a tarball you're making anyway |
| 08:51.36 | tytan | FLHerne I don't know what a tarball is yet |
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| 08:52.05 | hashworks | A tarball is just files bound together in a file, pure tar uses no compression |
| 08:52.31 | hashworks | However you can use external tools to create .tar.gz or something like that |
| 08:52.33 | FLHerne | Since your initial question was "to back it up as a tgz", you might want to do some research first ;-) |
| 08:52.35 | hashworks | Take a look at man tar |
| 08:52.39 | hashworks | Also at man dd |
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| 08:53.24 | phr | oh yeah debian for life! |
| 08:53.30 | tytan | indeed >.> |
| 08:53.33 | ayylmao | have people started proposing release goals for stretch? |
| 08:53.54 | phr | almost forgot about you guys, had to drop some props! |
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| 08:54.34 | hashworks | Anyone got some tipps to debug my wireless lan problem? |
| 08:54.50 | FLHerne | hashworks: You don't need an external tool, just -z/-J/whatever |
| 08:54.51 | hashworks | phr: Well, I might switch to archhurd in 2060 |
| 08:55.07 | FLHerne | Well, those do use external tools, but you don't have to worry about it :P |
| 08:55.16 | hashworks | Yeah, that's what I meant |
| 08:55.25 | hashworks | However without them installed you can't compress |
| 08:55.33 | blb1234 | hm, if you google tarball in its images section. Thats not what you would expect |
| 08:55.35 | hashworks | But of couse, they'll be installed |
| 08:55.38 | petn-randall | hashworks: Have you checked in /var/log/daemon.log and syslog? You have to check the output of network-manager. |
| 08:55.50 | petn-randall | (assuming you're using network-manager) |
| 08:55.51 | hashworks | omg blb1234 |
| 08:55.58 | hashworks | yup, I do petn-randall |
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| 08:56.27 | phr | hashworks: ;) |
| 08:56.30 | hashworks | Ah, daemon seems to give me something |
| 08:57.20 | hashworks | http://pastebin.com/jBqB0zUs |
| 08:57.24 | hashworks | Hm... |
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| 08:58.13 | hashworks | syslog is quite the same |
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| 08:58.52 | hashworks | Strange that it thinks that the AP has no security |
| 08:58.57 | hashworks | It's definitly WPA2 |
| 08:59.36 | FLHerne | hashworks: You definitely have just NM activated? |
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| 09:00.09 | hashworks | Yup |
| 09:00.24 | hashworks | The only other thing controlling the same hardware is blueman |
| 09:00.34 | FLHerne | I had problems like this a few weeks ago, turned out that while I was using wicd, nm had managed to enable itself somehow |
| 09:00.35 | neglesaks | ? for a Debian7 updated all the way to 7.8, being used as a regular desktop comp/workstation ,and with no fancy extensions/special packages that mess with system functionality, is there any major obstacle or danger to doing the D8 upgrade? |
| 09:01.03 | hashworks | Some packages need reconfiguration neglesaks |
| 09:01.18 | FLHerne | IIRC I got almost exactly the same problems, down to the AP security making no sense |
| 09:01.18 | hashworks | f.e. apache2, also you might want to read up systemd |
| 09:02.10 | hashworks | FLHerne: Hm, just checked, wicd isn't installed (would've been strange) |
| 09:02.23 | hashworks | What made you switch to wicd btw? |
| 09:02.37 | FLHerne | Nothing - habit, and it works :P |
| 09:02.57 | FLHerne | Well, nmcli being awful used to be part of it |
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| 09:03.05 | FLHerne | But I keep being told it isn't anymore |
| 09:03.07 | uumac | hmmm somehow i can't access my mysql-server cli by typing "mysql" i getting "ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)" |
| 09:03.19 | neglesaks | I'm okay with that since I don't mess with apache on this system. ALsi I don't assume that the usual dist-upgrade (etc) from init to systemd will break my machine. :) |
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| 09:04.16 | hashworks | FLHerne: Not sure, I never set up anything network relevant in terminal beside some LAN |
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| 09:04.33 | tomodachi | start with reporting it |
| 09:04.34 | hashworks | Which is /etc/network/ files only |
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| 09:08.28 | uumac | hmm anyone know's why i can' access "mysql" in cli i installed mysql-server package on deb 8 Jessie |
| 09:08.43 | uumac | getting ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO) |
| 09:08.50 | hashworks | mysql is another package uumac |
| 09:09.02 | hashworks | mysql-client |
| 09:09.09 | hashworks | mysql-server is only the server, nothing else |
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| 09:09.29 | hashworks | Oh, nevermind |
| 09:09.37 | hashworks | Since you get that message it seems installed |
| 09:09.51 | hashworks | Well, did you use -p ? |
| 09:10.06 | uumac | hashworks no what is -p ? like mysql -p? |
| 09:10.10 | hashworks | yup |
| 09:10.16 | hashworks | -p tells mysql to use a password |
| 09:10.20 | uumac | hashworks works |
| 09:10.24 | uumac | hashworks ty |
| 09:10.27 | hashworks | Well, that was easy |
| 09:10.29 | hashworks | man mysql |
| 09:11.11 | ChrisH | I upgraded from wheezy to Jessie and see again/still problems with IPv6. From my search around it might be that it is caused by IPv4 forward enabled. I have another jessie system in the same network which gets an IPv6 adress without problems. I tried with different sysctl parameter without success. Where/How to continue? |
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| 09:13.48 | tkl2 | Hey there |
| 09:14.07 | tkl2 | anyone around who can help me with a little if request? |
| 09:14.16 | tkl2 | Im kinda stuck |
| 09:14.28 | ayylmao | tkl2: not if you dont ask your questions |
| 09:14.40 | ayylmao | only then can people say if they can help depending on their skills and experience |
| 09:14.47 | nbt | tkl2: don't ask to ask, just ask! |
| 09:14.49 | tkl2 | if [ `pidof -s openvpn` != 0 ] <--- this gives me no return |
| 09:15.15 | tkl2 | cause openvpn isn´t running, but i need to know if openvpn is running |
| 09:16.28 | tkl2 | Basically i just need to know if openvpn is running or not. |
| 09:16.47 | Amun_Ra | tkl2: if [ -z "`pidof -s openvpn`" ]; then ⦠fi |
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| 09:17.16 | tkl2 | Amun_Ra: what´s -z??? |
| 09:17.33 | Amun_Ra | tkl2: man test |
| 09:17.33 | meseira | '-z' test if it is zero |
| 09:18.05 | hashworks | *the length is zero |
| 09:18.10 | hashworks | It's not actually zero |
| 09:18.13 | hashworks | ^^ |
| 09:18.26 | Amun_Ra | yupe |
| 09:18.38 | meseira | hashworks: true ^^ |
| 09:19.01 | SirLagz | isn't -z if variable is empty ? |
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| 09:19.34 | meseira | between quotes, an empty variable leads to an empty string |
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| 09:19.47 | meseira | thus, -z checks its length is zero |
| 09:19.49 | tkl2 | That does not fit |
| 09:19.50 | SirLagz | ah |
| 09:19.52 | Amun_Ra | however, I would prefer this way: service openvpn status > /dev/null; rc=$?; if [ $rc != 0 ]; then ⦠fi |
| 09:20.11 | hashworks | Which only works if it's running as a service |
| 09:20.16 | Amun_Ra | true |
| 09:20.25 | tkl2 | it runs as daemon |
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| 09:20.46 | tkl2 | So -z is the opposite of that what i want |
| 09:20.53 | hashworks | Also, doesn't service require proper rights Amun_Ra? |
| 09:21.01 | hashworks | pidof should be open for anyone |
| 09:21.02 | Amun_Ra | tkl2: if there is no openvpn running you will receive "" |
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| 09:22.04 | tkl2 | hmh |
| 09:22.28 | Amun_Ra | hashworks: speaking of checking status - (mostly) no, you would have to give full path to the service |
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| 09:22.41 | tkl2 | Amun_Ra: the -z thing leads me into the else part |
| 09:22.59 | tkl2 | if its TRUE |
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| 09:23.19 | nbt | tkl2: change -z to -n then |
| 09:23.19 | Amun_Ra | tkl2: ah, you need to know if it is running, yeah, then just remove -z |
| 09:23.26 | meseira | tkl2: you also can negate the condition with '!' if you really don't want to use 'else' statement |
| 09:23.30 | nbt | or just remove it, yes |
| 09:23.55 | tkl2 | GREAT |
| 09:24.07 | tkl2 | I removed it, looks great |
| 09:24.59 | hashworks | tkl2: If you're new to BASH re-check your scripts with http://www.shellcheck.net/ |
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| 09:25.21 | uumac | eeehh i installed a not needed module for php guys ... do anyone know how i can uninstall it safely ? would be cool :/ |
| 09:25.32 | hashworks | How did you install it? |
| 09:25.38 | hashworks | From source? apt? |
| 09:25.45 | uumac | hashworks aptitude install php5-module |
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| 09:26.09 | hashworks | aptitude remove php5-module should do then |
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| 09:26.48 | uumac | hashworks will this also reset the php.ini settings if there was some ? |
| 09:27.16 | hashworks | If you didn't set any settings manually in php.ini, yes it'll |
| 09:27.47 | hashworks | Actually module configurations aren't in php.ini, they're in mod-file in a *.d folder |
| 09:27.55 | hashworks | So it only removes the mod-file |
| 09:28.00 | Amun_Ra | uumac: you can simulate removal with: apt-get -s remove php5-whatever |
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| 09:31.27 | uumac | http://dev.mysql.com/doc/apis-php/en/apis-php-pdo-mysql.html i need the pdo_mysql driver there is something like "Use --with-pdo-mysql[=DIR] to install the PDO MySQL extension" is it only possible when you installing from source or also if i already installed mysql with apt ? |
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| 09:32.32 | boodie | Hi: question n.1: do you advise to upgrade from wheezy to jessie, or is it easier to reinstall from scratch? |
| 09:32.54 | hashworks | Shouldn't php5-mysql do uumac? |
| 09:33.06 | hashworks | boodie: Worked well for me |
| 09:33.11 | hashworks | Do a backup |
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| 09:34.17 | tkl2 | Well, what does if [ "`pidof -s openvpn`" ]; actually do? |
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| 09:34.40 | superrorc | hi there! |
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| 09:35.11 | tkl2 | If there is no openvpn process pidof -s gives out nothing so how does that command track this? |
| 09:35.13 | superrorc | i am on 7.8 now with posfix, nginx, l2tp ipsec, znc |
| 09:35.23 | superrorc | is it safe to dist-update? tu 8.0 |
| 09:35.25 | boodie | Question n. 2: the page https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#recovery reccomends to avoid upgrading from an X session managed by xdm, gdm or kdm etc. ... how do I disable it for the time being? |
| 09:36.12 | meseira | tkl2: because the string will be empty when openvpn is not running |
| 09:36.13 | nbt | tkl2: because if [ "" ]... = false |
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| 09:37.07 | tkl2 | So if [ ""] would cause a THEN? |
| 09:37.20 | tkl2 | Or always TRUE? |
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| 09:37.58 | uumac | hashworks yea php5-mysql worked but it installed unnecessary mysqli with it. so i rather wanted to go for the pdo_driver |
| 09:38.15 | nbt | tkl2: if the string is empty it will run the else block |
| 09:38.52 | nbt | tkl2: if the string is not empty (ie. the pid exists) then it will run the if block |
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| 09:39.39 | nbt | try it with an example like this: if [ "" ]; then echo 1; else echo 2; fi |
| 09:39.42 | Amun_Ra | tkl2: [ "" ] is always false |
| 09:40.07 | Amun_Ra | there is an alternative syntax |
| 09:40.14 | Amun_Ra | test "" && echo "printed if true" |
| 09:40.20 | Amun_Ra | test "" || echo "printed if false" |
| 09:40.32 | tkl2 | Any example of a simple always TRUE string? |
| 09:40.33 | Amun_Ra | test condition* |
| 09:40.43 | Amun_Ra | tkl2: string with non-zero length |
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| 09:40.57 | tkl2 | if [ "1>0" ] ? |
| 09:41.04 | Amun_Ra | mhm |
| 09:41.18 | Amun_Ra | you can check it out yourself: test "1>0" && echo "true?" |
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| 09:44.05 | tkl2 | well doesn´t matter anyway. Thanks for the great help |
| 09:44.44 | jelly | tkl2: looking for output of pidof is problematic. Instead, look for exit code of pgrep and you don't have to use [ ] at all. if pgrep openvpn >/dev/null; then echo it is running; else echo its dead Jim; fi |
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| 09:45.58 | jelly | tkl2: worse, pidof also returns an exit value, so whoever wrote that did not look things up |
| 09:47.04 | tkl2 | jelly: That does not work |
| 09:47.08 | petn-randall | [ "1>0" ] will always return true, as [ "..." ] checks if the string is non-zero length. You probably want [ 1 > 0 ] to check if 1 is larger than 0. |
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| 09:49.02 | jelly | tkl2: then fix the pgrep command to match your process (and your process only) |
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| 09:55.47 | tkl2 | petn-randall: That´s funny. This does not work either :) |
| 09:56.41 | petn-randall | !doesnt work |
| 09:56.41 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
| 09:57.23 | petn-randall | tkl2: It returns true for me â http://paste.debian.net/171253/ |
| 09:59.12 | tkl2 | Sorry |
| 09:59.31 | tkl2 | Can you try if [ 1< 0 ] ? |
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| 10:00.08 | droid909 | guys what does this mean ${1^^} when used in a shell script? |
| 10:00.18 | nbt | petn-randall: [ 1 > 2 ] && echo 1 || echo 0 |
| 10:00.59 | nbt | petn-randall: what's the output of that? ^ |
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| 10:01.34 | petn-randall | nbt: 1 |
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| 10:02.06 | petn-randall | Apparently you have to use the [ 1 -gt 2 ] syntax, no idea why the other statement evaluates to true. |
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| 10:02.18 | petn-randall | hardly uses bash/shell scripting. |
| 10:03.11 | nbt | petn-randall: you can't use > in a [...] test, because it's parsed as a redirection operator |
| 10:03.21 | nbt | do an ls of your currect dir ;) |
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| 10:03.51 | tkl2 | nbt: i see it :D |
| 10:04.06 | tkl2 | Ok guys, thanks a lot |
| 10:04.11 | tkl2 | Have a good time |
| 10:04.23 | nbt | tkl2: and you |
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| 10:27.00 | petn-randall | nbt: Ahahaha |
| 10:27.08 | petn-randall | nbt: Thanks for pointing that out. |
| 10:27.15 | nbt | petn-randall: :D |
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| 10:37.17 | ChrisH | I upgraded from wheezy to Jessie and see again/still problems with IPv6. From my search around it might be that it is caused by IPv4 forward enabled. I have another jessie system in the same network which gets an IPv6 adress without problems. I tried with different sysctl parameter without success. Where/How-to continue? |
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| 10:37.53 | Dagger | ChrisH: RAs are ignored if forwarding=1 unless accept_ra=2 |
| 10:38.27 | Dagger | (although I'd assume it's the v6 forwarding setting that matters, not the v4 one) |
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| 10:49.19 | ChrisH | Dagger: sysctl net.ipv6.conf.eth0.accept_ra=2 |
| 10:49.28 | ChrisH | made it work... thanks! |
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| 10:55.01 | qoreQyaS | hi. while executing "lvs" on a debian wheezy/amd64 (lvm2 v:2.02.95-8) i get the following error (besides the "normal" expected and right output) several times. "Internal error: Using string as sort value for numerical field." Any hints? |
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| 11:00.54 | ztealmax | good day all |
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| 11:03.25 | ztealmax | have a small question, or big, have a problem when using usb mic in Debian on software Qtractor, cant find it, however works good when connecting it to Audacity and arecord, using alsa and pulseaudio, usb mic shows up in pavucontrol and i can see in that it works. am i missing a module to get it to work in Qtractor? ohh yes it also shows up in qjackctl, ive bridged it to output to qtractor but no sound |
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| 11:17.24 | meseira | qoreQyaS: i use the same version but i do not have any error message with lvs |
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| 11:29.53 | statu | hi! |
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| 11:31.01 | ShadowKatStudios | statu, s |
| 11:31.08 | ShadowKatStudios | Sorry, had to. |
| 11:31.29 | statu | jaja |
| 11:31.44 | statu | Nps |
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| 11:33.53 | statu | I think that I have to recompile the OpenSSL library. It is the first time that I recompile a library that is provided by apt and I would like to be sure about what I am doing before begin to. My main doubt is how to tell apt that I have a custom version of openssl installed in the system |
| 11:34.03 | statu | Basically, I have this problem: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18390833/no-version-information-available |
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| 11:36.32 | halt | Hi all, I'm in the middle of the upgrade project, but just found out that one of the critical package, has a bug in it which make it unusable for me, what's the less dirty way to fall back the old version ? |
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| 11:38.08 | jelly | halt: install the older package after the release upgrade process is finished. Before that, investigate on a test system whether this is possible at all. |
| 11:38.29 | boodie | Hi: I would like to upgrade from wheezy to jessie. It is advised to avoid launching the upgrade from a X session under GDM, KDM and the alike. How do I bypass access the session managers, in order to launch the upgrade from command - line? |
| 11:38.31 | jelly | halt: after you've managed to install it and things work, /msg dpkg hold |
| 11:39.32 | jelly | boodie: eh, just run it inside screen or tmux so a potential restart of X doesn't affect apt/dpkg processes. |
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| 11:39.47 | heurist` | boodie: ctr-alt-f1 will get you to a terminal |
| 11:39.56 | halt | jelly: "install the older package" you mean add to the source.list wheezy as well , and install it from there ? |
| 11:40.06 | jelly | halt: correct |
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| 11:40.29 | halt | jelly: right let's see |
| 11:40.53 | jelly | exactly which bug is it? |
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| 11:41.38 | boodie | Sorry, the last upgrade was a nightmare (to Wheezy) I ended up reinstalling from scratch. I'm told that this time it's relatively smooth ... |
| 11:41.39 | halt | puppet, no custom forge useable above 3.3 (https://tickets.puppetlabs.com/browse/FORGE-126) |
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| 11:42.51 | halt | jelly: critical for me, but i do not think it's major concern in general for the debian project since the source did not fixed it either |
| 11:44.07 | halt | it would be nice if in Jessie the old 2.7 mainline also available but in general, I cloud live with it, in worst case i just choose an other config management tool :( |
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| 11:45.48 | jelly | halt: if 2.7 still has security support by upstream that might make sense, but someone has to do the work. If you're interested in helping contact the maintainer? |
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| 11:47.45 | boodie | Hi: this is my etc/apt/sources/list http://paste.debian.net/171279/ ... is it just sufficient to substitute whhezy with jessie and is the line pointing at "wheezy-updates" relevant? |
| 11:49.03 | heurist` | boodie: the wheezy-updates line becomes jessie-updates, much like the rest of the line. |
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| 11:49.24 | halt | jelly: well I will try to get a respond first, from puppet are they planing to fix in soon, and if so I'm rather wait till the patch will be available in the higher version, 2.7 is quite old they recently released the 4.0 ... but thanks for the tip will try that, and plus one for the mark hold reminder ;) |
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| 11:50.28 | jelly | Hi. On a Debian 7 installation, KDE4 session seems to have the working directory set to $HOME/Documents/ instead of $HOME, and any terminals open their shell with cwd there, my zsh rc files aren't executed properly. How do I change the working directory for the whole kde session? |
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| 11:51.25 | jelly | halt: don't forget to add security wheezy/updates repo and install from there. |
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| 11:52.51 | boodie | I assume that I should therefore substitute wheezy with jessie in the sources-list file, "apt-get update" then check that I have sufficient space, and then "apt-get dist-upgrade" (or, conservatively, first "apt-get upgrade")? |
| 11:54.00 | heurist` | boodie: read the release notes specific to upgrading from wheesy to jessie |
| 11:54.06 | heurist` | dpkg: tell boodie -about wheezy->jessie |
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| 11:54.58 | halt | jelly: how the hold will work with the sec updates ? |
| 11:55.44 | jelly | halt: it won't, but at least you'll be able to see if there's a newer one with apt-cache policy puppet |
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| 11:56.11 | TomyWork | I am using apt-ftparchive to create a repo for use with APT. I use -d to specify a database. Now due to a problem with the build, we need to replace a package in the repository. I know from past experience that the database contains entries that are preferred over the file system entries |
| 11:56.15 | boodie | Sorry, I haven't read it properly: it does advise in fact to first "apt-get upgrade" and then "apt-get dist-upgrade" ... |
| 11:56.24 | halt | jelly: OK got it thx , for that i have inplace a monitoring so should be fine |
| 11:56.57 | jelly | halt: pinning might be a good idea for this purpose. I don't know the exact incantation to make it work and always pull the latest available from wheezy. |
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| 11:57.31 | TomyWork | my question is: how do i remove entries from apt-ftparchive's cache database without regenerating the entire thing? |
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| 12:01.14 | Brigo | jelly, might this help? https://access.redhat.com/solutions/109483 |
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| 12:03.17 | jelly | Brigo: I use two different terminal emulators and already have the Konsole workaround in place, but for rxvt-unicode I actually need cwd to be changed |
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| 12:07.58 | jelly | Brigo: upstream seems to have fixed it in 2012. https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=183534 I guess I'll have to upgrade to jessie to see that code :-) |
| 12:08.34 | jelly | fears upgrading X on machines with video-intel |
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| 12:09.58 | Brigo | jelly, isn't there wheezy backport? |
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| 12:11.08 | __marco | Hello! How can I set parameters in /proc with systemd other that StartExec=/bin/sh -c "echo 1 > ..." |
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| 12:11.19 | jelly | Brigo: for KDE? *laugh* |
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| 12:11.38 | Brigo | oh, i didn't know, i have never used it. :) |
| 12:11.44 | __marco | s/StartExec/ExecStart/ |
| 12:11.49 | jelly | __marco: put them in a file under /etc/sysctl.d/ I guess? |
| 12:12.56 | teraflop | jelly: I find intel gpus the best choice for linux unless you want hard 3d/gamming |
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| 12:13.41 | Brigo | intel gpus aren't good for games? what a pitty |
| 12:13.59 | teraflop | Brigo: well, not bat |
| 12:14.16 | hashworks | FLHerne: Seems like the only problem is that it doesn't ask me for a WPA2 secret anymore. If I set one manually everything works fine |
| 12:14.43 | __marco | jelly: the man page says that I can use it to configure parameters in /proc/sys but I want to change something in /sys/devices |
| 12:15.00 | jelly | teraflop: my experiences are the stability and number of visible bugs increases with time, regressions everywhere as soon as the hardware is 2-3 years behind intel's current generation |
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| 12:15.42 | vled | Hi, I've just upgraded to jessie, and now some applications don't show up in Gnome 3 anymore. It seems they're missing the .desktop files. |
| 12:15.43 | jelly | __marco: yeah, you said /proc not /sys sorry |
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| 12:18.15 | jelly | __marco: there used to be something called sysfsutils |
| 12:18.22 | jelly | ,v sysfsutils |
| 12:18.23 | judd | Package: sysfsutils on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.1.0+repack-1; wheezy: 2.1.0+repack-2; sid: 2.1.0+repack-4; stretch: 2.1.0+repack-4; jessie: 2.1.0+repack-4 |
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| 12:18.40 | jelly | __marco: wonder if those still work on jessie |
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| 12:19.56 | anddam | is there an alternatives selection for python? |
| 12:20.12 | anddam | or shuld I just call python3 for Python 3.x? |
| 12:20.15 | jelly | __marco: if they do, put that stuff in /etc/sysfs.conf |
| 12:20.22 | Lirux | How can I use a terminfo I've got that is not inside /usr/share/terminfo... (I don't have root on this box) |
| 12:21.02 | jelly | __marco: or under /etc/sysfs.d/ it seems |
| 12:21.21 | abrotman | anddam: AIUI, call python3 |
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| 12:24.25 | anddam | k |
| 12:24.33 | teraflop | Lirux: i remember setting it up per user, but im not sure if in ~/.config/whatever or ~/.local/share/terminfo |
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| 12:28.49 | qoreQyaS | meseira: yea, i have several other machines with the same setup and without that error. i was just curious if anyone has already seen it.. |
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| 12:29.15 | Lirux | teraflop, thanks i will try it.. |
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| 12:29.50 | teraflop | Lirux: im sorry not being more specific it was time ago |
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| 12:31.07 | Lirux | teraflop, lol thanks :) |
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| 12:36.13 | tester | hello |
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| 12:37.13 | tester | do you know what is the name of the business model according to which one releases the source code after "the crowd" has payed at least $X money? |
| 12:37.39 | tester | i forgot the name, i cannot find it, something like "rampsal", "rampsard" ... |
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| 12:38.10 | vled | ransomware? |
| 12:38.21 | tester | yep |
| 12:38.22 | tester | thanks |
| 12:38.29 | vled | welcome! |
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| 12:38.45 | oxagast | tester: crowdfunding |
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| 12:39.05 | tester | oxagast: but crowfunding is different from ransom |
| 12:39.14 | jelly | tester: note: cryptolocker and similar malware are also called "ransomware", don't install those |
| 12:39.21 | jelly | hides |
| 12:39.24 | tester | with ransom you release the software AFTER you get the money |
| 12:39.46 | tester | *the source code |
| 12:40.03 | jelly | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threshold_pledge_system#Ransom_model_in_software ? |
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| 12:41.37 | oxagast | i didn't know they were holding it for ransome, i find "business model" to be a strange term for holding something for ransom |
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| 12:41.47 | oxagast | http://pastebin.com/43KPAsg4 |
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| 12:41.51 | oxagast | oops |
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| 12:45.16 | nidhoegger | Hello. I am setting up a new server atm using debian jessie. i installed apache2, php5 and mysql as usual. Apache works, mysql works, but php support for apache2 seems not to be working. it fires out plain php code instead of interpreting it. ive installed: apache2 mysql-server php5 php5-mysql libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 12:45.26 | nidhoegger | as a test page i got only a phpinfo page |
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| 12:45.43 | nidhoegger | someone knows how to solve that problem? if you need more informations, just ask and ill gibe |
| 12:45.45 | nidhoegger | *ive |
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| 12:45.46 | Wulf | hi |
| 12:45.48 | nidhoegger | *give |
| 12:45.52 | nidhoegger | hi :) |
| 12:45.58 | Wulf | how can a scipt find out if a package is installed? |
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| 12:46.30 | nidhoegger | apt-cache policy <packagename> |
| 12:46.41 | nidhoegger | if second line has a version, its installed ;) |
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| 12:47.07 | hblack | apt-cash show {namepackage} |
| 12:47.40 | Wulf | that sounds complicated and not failproof |
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| 12:48.14 | abrotman | Wulf: dpkg -i foopkg | egrep "^[hi]i" or something like that |
| 12:48.29 | ChrisH | dpkg -l not i |
| 12:48.29 | dpkg | No packages found matching not i |
| 12:48.44 | hblack | -i |
| 12:49.01 | abrotman | sorry, yes |
| 12:49.07 | abrotman | brain fart |
| 12:49.29 | nidhoegger | no one has informations on my php problem? |
| 12:50.05 | abrotman | nidhoegger: are you testing with curl or a browser? Did you run 'a2enmod php5'? Did you install libapache2-mod-php5 ? |
| 12:50.25 | abrotman | sees he did install the package |
| 12:50.26 | nidhoegger | browser, yes, a2enmod tells me its active |
| 12:50.41 | abrotman | nidhoegger: use curl/wget, not a browser |
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| 12:50.45 | nidhoegger | why? |
| 12:50.52 | abrotman | browsers cache things |
| 12:50.59 | nidhoegger | ah okay, ill try |
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| 12:51.40 | nidhoegger | nope, wget has same |
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| 12:52.15 | nidhoegger | forget my question |
| 12:52.18 | nidhoegger | i am an idiot! |
| 12:52.32 | nidhoegger | <? phpinfo(); ?> <-- find the error :P |
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| 12:52.55 | nidhoegger | but thanks for the help ;) |
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| 13:00.30 | darxmurf | nidhoegger: crappy ";" sign ? |
| 13:00.56 | nidhoegger | nope |
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| 13:01.10 | nidhoegger | ist "<?php" |
| 13:01.14 | nidhoegger | not just "<?" |
| 13:01.40 | darxmurf | ah |
| 13:01.56 | darxmurf | for your next problem : https://twitter.com/abt_programming/status/533944460284284928 |
| 13:01.59 | darxmurf | :D |
| 13:02.03 | uxbal | hey guys. If i follow wheezy instructions on mozilla.debian.net to get the most recent iceweasel, and change everything written wheezy to jessie, will it work? |
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| 13:02.15 | darxmurf | uxbal: test it :D |
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| 13:02.49 | uxbal | darxmurf: :D wouldn't want anything to go crazy :D |
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| 13:03.40 | darxmurf | well, ou have to add this unstable/expermiental repository... it can be dangerous |
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| 13:03.53 | darxmurf | else you can download the last version on mozilla website and use it |
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| 13:04.30 | darxmurf | but in the end... there is no big changes between versions :) |
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| 13:05.15 | uxbal | http://mozilla.debian.net/dists/jessie-backports/iceweasel-release/binary-amd64/Packages 404 Not Found - i guess not yet :) Medium blog platform won't let me log in. They have some weird policy of supporting only current browsers. |
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| 13:05.50 | uxbal | anyway, does anyone here use opera? i installed it the other day, but the fonts were all deprecated in the browser. Anyone had the same problem? |
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| 13:06.53 | darxmurf | uxbal: time for you to try the opera baby https://vivaldi.com/ |
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| 13:07.42 | uxbal | you use vivaldi? |
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| 13:09.07 | technocf | I am installing Debian 8 on my netbook and it has requested that I load "rt2860.bin" from a USB. I have tried a USB formetted in NTFS, Ext4, Fat32 and placed the file in the root each time but the installer just cant seem to find the file. How do I get it to load? |
| 13:10.22 | ChrisH | technocf: can you install via LAN? |
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| 13:10.32 | technocf | I cannot |
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| 13:11.08 | darxmurf | uxbal: nop, iceweasel 31.6.0 and it's fine... |
| 13:11.11 | ChrisH | dpkg: tell technocf about installer firmware |
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| 13:11.35 | ChrisH | technocf: that should help you. |
| 13:12.11 | technocf | ChrisH: Does it have to be on the same USB or is a seperate one okay? |
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| 13:12.50 | darxmurf | technocf: if you put the firmware-ralink .deb file on your usb key it should find it during the install no ? |
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| 13:13.38 | ChrisH | technocf: did you read carfully what the bot told you? "...within installation media or supplying on removable media" check for netboot wirh firmware, run /msg dpkg irmware images |
| 13:13.40 | technocf | darxmurf: On a separate USB stick, at the root, I placed the file it was looking for: rt2860.bin |
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| 13:14.06 | ChrisH | run /msg dpkg firmware images |
| 13:14.39 | technocf | What about DVD images? |
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| 13:16.06 | matthiaksrgr | general question, what would be the best way to run self-compiled programms? |
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| 13:16.24 | matthiaksrgr | I guess there is no easy way to build a debian package on my own? |
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| 13:16.49 | technocf | I may have figured it out... one min I'll know |
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| 13:19.11 | ahop | I have a bottleneck in my dmesg... Can I pastebin it? |
| 13:19.27 | malade_mental | dmesg | nopaste |
| 13:20.07 | ahop | ? |
| 13:20.11 | ahop | here it is : http://pastebin.com/7dKxRPeA |
| 13:20.24 | ahop | line 302: [ 8.824915 < 4.748718>] EXT4-fs (mmcblk0p2): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: (null) |
| 13:20.33 | ahop | nearly 5 seconds for this line..... why? |
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| 13:20.40 | darxmurf | technocf: but if you put the .deb from the debian repository I think it will find it |
| 13:20.40 | ahop | how to prevent this? |
| 13:20.45 | ChrisH | technocf: I never installed with DVD images, allwyas netinst |
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| 13:21.55 | malade_mental | what's the size of the device mmcpblk0p2 ? |
| 13:22.04 | ahop | malade_mental: 4 GB SD device |
| 13:22.07 | ahop | microSD |
| 13:22.15 | malade_mental | ok |
| 13:22.31 | ahop | I previously had archlinux, and there wasn't this 5seconds long step |
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| 13:22.41 | malade_mental | can you paste fdisk -l /dev/mmcblk0 ? |
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| 13:23.44 | ahop | malade_mental: http://pastebin.com/uLf9LEQ2 |
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| 13:25.44 | ahop | malade_mental any idea? |
| 13:26.34 | vled | matthiaksrgr: some say that easybuild is easy. http://hpcugent.github.io/easybuild/ |
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| 13:28.00 | malade_mental | ahop: hum, strange |
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| 13:28.44 | zykotick9 | matthiaksrgr: checkinstall is an option <- but don't distribute the DEBs this builds! just for personal use. |
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| 13:29.21 | quarterback | Greetings, bash completion is not working on a remote login with a normal username but it works with root login. I edited /etc/bash.bashrc file to allow bash completion in interactive shells but somehow it doesnt work. Could anybody tell what's going on? Do I need to reboot the OS? |
| 13:29.23 | malade_mental | ahop: try this > umound /dev/mmcblk0p2 && time mount /dev/mmcblk0p2 /tmp/sdcard |
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| 13:29.38 | matthiaksrgr | this sounds good, thanks :) |
| 13:29.39 | abrotman | umount ? |
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| 13:30.37 | malade_mental | yes sorry typo :/ |
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| 13:30.57 | quarterback | Greetings, bash completion is not working on a remote login with a normal username but it works with root login. I edited /etc/bash.bashrc file to allow bash completion in interactive shells but somehow it doesnt work. Could anybody tell what's going on? Do I need to reboot the OS? |
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| 13:31.41 | malade_mental | ahop: checking your dmesg, I see you're on a raspberry pi. The difference could come from this. |
| 13:32.07 | vled | quarterback: did you log in again? |
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| 13:32.20 | quarterback | When I press tab or type a few letters of a directory or file name, they are not selected. Also colors are not displayed. |
| 13:32.31 | quarterback | vled: I will relogin and check. |
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| 13:33.52 | quarterback | vled: I relogined , now auto completion doesn't work, the text is monochrome and there are no colors! |
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| 13:34.29 | quarterback | vled: auto completion works in root login. |
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| 13:34.55 | vled | quarterback: what is your terminal type? What is the shell you are running? |
| 13:35.24 | quarterback | vled: I am using putty on a windows machine, the remote machine runs debian 7 x86_64 |
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| 13:36.11 | vled | when you say 'root login' works, do you mean via putty as well? |
| 13:36.31 | quarterback | vled: Yes autocompletion works with root login in putty terminal. |
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| 13:37.24 | aswin | hello, i have a thinkpad l440 and use realtek 8192ee as the wireless card. The connection is very buggy even after installing the latest drivers from compat-drivers. Anybody have any solution? |
| 13:37.59 | vled | what happens if you type '. /etc/bash_completion' ? |
| 13:38.13 | quarterback | vled: Let me check, brb |
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| 13:38.58 | quarterback | vled: Do I have to type '. /etc/bash_completion' in rootlogin or a normal username? |
| 13:39.16 | vled | the normal user. |
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| 13:40.13 | karan | HI .. Can i install ubuntu from a usb and if so how |
| 13:40.14 | karan | ? |
| 13:40.22 | karan | sorry i meant Debian |
| 13:40.32 | karan | Is there a debian ISO That has all three disk in one ? |
| 13:40.37 | karan | so i can use a usb stick |
| 13:40.43 | malade_mental | yes |
| 13:40.48 | rfreeman_w | karan, why not just install part and then install rest from network |
| 13:40.53 | zykotick9 | karan: see "/msg dpkg usb install" |
| 13:41.00 | malade_mental | https://www.debian.org/CD/ |
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| 13:41.37 | quarterback | vled: -sh 23: permission denied on executing . /etc/bash_completion |
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| 13:41.58 | afsal | hi |
| 13:42.02 | vled | quarterback: you sure you're running bash? not /bin/sh? |
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| 13:42.15 | quarterback | vled: I'm not sure |
| 13:42.33 | quarterback | vled: How to start bash? |
| 13:42.34 | afsal | no transparency option in gnome-terminal on jessie |
| 13:42.46 | afsal | no transparency option in gnome-terminal on jessie how to enable that? |
| 13:42.48 | karan | so how will i know what my linux parotition is when installed ubuntu |
| 13:42.53 | karan | i have 2 aritions linux and windows |
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| 13:43.03 | karan | how do i figure out the name for my older linux so i can install on it |
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| 13:43.29 | vled | quarterback: what does this say: "echo $SHELL" ? |
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| 13:43.54 | quarterback | vled: /bin/sh |
| 13:44.21 | vled | quarterback: so 'chsh' ! |
| 13:44.25 | karan | okay but there are 3 DVDs |
| 13:44.35 | karan | how do i put them all 3 on one usb ..is that possible ? |
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| 13:44.45 | quarterback | vled: How to enable autocompletion now? |
| 13:45.05 | vled | if you change your default shell it will work. just 'chsh' |
| 13:45.58 | quarterback | vled: It is asking, Enter the new value or press ENTER for default. |
| 13:46.21 | quarterback | vled: What would be the new value? |
| 13:46.22 | vled | then type '/bin/bash' |
| 13:46.36 | vled | for bash completion! |
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| 13:47.04 | quarterback | vled: It is the same now after entering /bin/bash |
| 13:47.16 | quarterback | vled: There seems no change. |
| 13:47.24 | vled | you need to logout and login again. |
| 13:47.46 | quarterback | vled: brb |
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| 13:48.02 | superfast | Do you love Debian so far? |
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| 13:48.10 | afsal | no transparency option in gnome-terminal on jessie how to enable that? |
| 13:48.22 | superfast | jessie I mean |
| 13:48.32 | rfreeman_w | superfast, it worked badly for me, hit few problems |
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| 13:48.53 | superfast | like? |
| 13:49.06 | quarterback | vled: Auto completion ( bash completion ) work, Thanks!!. How to enable colors? |
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| 13:49.59 | karan | so anyone can help me with this ? |
| 13:50.05 | vled | quarterback: there's an environment variable called LS_COLORS. |
| 13:50.07 | mtn | karan: it is not possible and there is not a reason to put all 3 on an usb |
| 13:50.07 | karan | how do i install all 3 DVDS on one USB |
| 13:50.08 | quarterback | vled: This seems good at the moment, thanks for your help |
| 13:50.15 | mtn | karan: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en |
| 13:50.17 | vled | you're welcome! |
| 13:51.27 | rfreeman_w | superfast, raid will not run with 1 of 2 drives (mirror). and network card not working |
| 13:51.36 | rfreeman_w | superfast, despite working in installer |
| 13:52.00 | karan | wont a network install be faster |
| 13:52.19 | karan | okay so i have a question |
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| 13:52.33 | karan | cp debian.iso /dev/Sdx to put it on the USB |
| 13:52.35 | mtn | karan: network install is very good if you have a good connection |
| 13:52.55 | karan | so i do that each time for each iso |
| 13:53.00 | karan | and that will add all 3 isos to the usb ? |
| 13:53.06 | mtn | karan: no |
| 13:53.11 | karan | well i installed my windows over the network |
| 13:53.19 | mtn | karan: you just need disk 1 or the network installer |
| 13:53.20 | karan | so if its that easy to do it..i dont mind network install |
| 13:53.37 | rfreeman_w | karan, yes just use the network install, you burn 1 cd |
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| 13:53.56 | rfreeman_w | karan, you can trivially install any software later on (from network) just use apt-get install programname |
| 13:54.16 | rfreeman_w | karan, most people just use net install, unless they have bad network connection or offline comput er |
| 13:54.24 | karan | so if i put this one ISO on my system it would not ask me for the secound or third disk |
| 13:54.32 | mtn | no |
| 13:54.45 | karan | i meant one iso on my usb |
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| 13:54.45 | rfreeman_w | karan, just use the net install, it will not ask for any other disk, it will instead use network |
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| 13:54.50 | vled | does anybody know about the deal between Gnome .desktop files and Debian menus? |
| 13:55.11 | themill | vled: the relationship is that there is no relationship |
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| 13:56.13 | superfast | rfreeman_w, do you use Main repo only? |
| 13:56.25 | superfast | it must be giving you a firmware notification when you boot |
| 13:56.28 | rfreeman_w | superfast, the default thing. but it WORKED during install |
| 13:56.39 | rfreeman_w | superfast, also adding new repos will not help much since no network :} |
| 13:56.52 | vled | themill: I suspected as much, but this is disappointing. Some apps don't seem to have a .desktop file. |
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| 13:56.58 | superfast | rfreeman_w, no do you get a .fw msg when you boot? |
| 13:57.11 | quarterback | vled: The older gnome version is neater than the newer gnome version. |
| 13:57.14 | rfreeman_w | superfast, will check later, what if yes? |
| 13:57.34 | vled | quarterback: well, there's no way back. |
| 13:57.43 | themill | vled: they should do if they are designed to be using from the graphical interface. It's easy enough add ones yourself of course. What are you looking at? |
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| 13:58.01 | vled | themill: gltron |
| 13:58.08 | vled | (it's a game) |
| 13:58.10 | quarterback | vled: I had newer gnome, the menus are on the left, the older gnome had top menus, much easier and a clean look. |
| 13:58.36 | rfreeman_w | brb |
| 13:58.39 | vled | quarterback: so install Mate instead. |
| 13:58.53 | quarterback | vled: Not sure about Mate |
| 13:59.10 | vled | it's basically gnome2. |
| 13:59.22 | quarterback | vled: I would do so if I can get gnome2 |
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| 13:59.57 | vled | apt-get install task-mate-desktop |
| 14:00.09 | quarterback | vled: Gnome2 seemed to have a light and easy UI than gnome3. I heard they had some sort of licensing issue too. |
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| 14:03.33 | xabbix | Playing around with rsyslog, I've created a new 00-test.conf in /etc/rsyslog.d that has *.* /tmp/test.log. I restart the service but nothing is going into /tmp/test.log (it doesn't exist). Is there anything else I need to do? |
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| 14:04.27 | vled | themill: actually menu-xdg can generate .desktop files from Debian menus. |
| 14:04.38 | vled | But gnome doesn't seem to use those. |
| 14:04.48 | themill | It should |
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| 14:10.52 | quarterback | How to increase number of files or sockets in debian for a user? Is editing /etc/limits.conf the way? |
| 14:11.41 | quarterback | Do I need to add a user and increase soft,hard entries? |
| 14:11.50 | quarterback | vled: Are you familiar with this? |
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| 14:12.33 | abrotman | quarterback: they'd have to logout/login again |
| 14:13.09 | quarterback | abrotman: Nobody is logged in right now except a user ( which is a non root login of mine) |
| 14:13.38 | abrotman | I'm just saying those chagnes won't take effect until they logout/login again |
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| 14:14.00 | quarterback | abrotman: What should be changed to increase sockets or files open? |
| 14:14.12 | oxagast | quarterback: usually, yes, thats how you do it, but you can't go past your systems limitations, like its set in 3278865 (but i think you can change it) |
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| 14:14.27 | oxagast | set to 3278865 on my system |
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| 14:14.37 | oxagast | in /proc/sys/fs/file-max |
| 14:14.39 | oxagast | something like that |
| 14:14.45 | quarterback | oxagast: It is set at 65535 for the user 'root' |
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| 14:15.31 | quarterback | oxagast: I am talking about /etc/security/limits.conf |
| 14:16.09 | abrotman | quarterback: for the user, or for the system? |
| 14:16.15 | oxagast | i know, but i'm saying you can set it in limits.conf, but it won't go past your system's set hard limit in /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 14:16.27 | jelly | quarterback: /etc/security/limits.conf is only applied for services which use PAM. |
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| 14:16.50 | quarterback | abrotman: For all or for either, which is better? As I run a webserver and an ircd. |
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| 14:17.03 | abrotman | quarterback: you need to chooose, the answers are different |
| 14:17.23 | quarterback | abrotman: For all |
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| 14:19.44 | oxagast | * hard nofile 2000 |
| 14:19.52 | oxagast | in /etc/limits.conf |
| 14:20.36 | oxagast | fs.file-max = 20000 |
| 14:20.51 | oxagast | in /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 14:20.57 | quarterback | oxagast: There is a large number in fs/file-max 740000 |
| 14:20.59 | oxagast | sysctl -p |
| 14:21.06 | oxagast | thats your systems limit |
| 14:21.07 | oxagast | yes |
| 14:21.09 | jelly | oxagast: limits.conf does not get applied to a httpd or and ircd unless they use PAM |
| 14:21.11 | oxagast | it should be large |
| 14:21.27 | quarterback | oxagast: What to change in /etc/sysctl.conf ? |
| 14:21.31 | jelly | oxagast: and fs.file-max is larger than 20000 by default |
| 14:21.47 | oxagast | jelly: i don't know what it is by default, i was just throwing out a number |
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| 14:22.21 | oxagast | you would obviosuly check then edit it larger... |
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| 14:22.32 | jelly | oxagast: verify the value befure throwing it |
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| 14:23.01 | oxagast | jelly: i don't know quarterback's is set to |
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| 14:23.36 | quarterback | oxagast: /etc/sysctl.conf has configuration of packet forwarding, ICMP etc , there is no entry about number of open sockets. Also, how much RAM would be confused with large numbrer of open files or sockets, say 100000? |
| 14:24.02 | quarterback | consumed* |
| 14:24.04 | vegardx | You're not allowed to use a separate gateway for alias interfaces? You need an actual interface for that? |
| 14:24.48 | oxagast | quarterback: i'm not sure about the memory issue tbh |
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| 14:25.14 | quarterback | oxagast: Hmmm, is it a trail and error method to see how many sockets can be open? |
| 14:25.23 | quarterback | trial* |
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| 14:25.35 | oxagast | i'm sure theres a way to calculate it, i just don't know how |
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| 14:28.22 | maxvi | I use debian and get this error "-sh: fork: Cannot allocate memory" when try to do "ls" or something else. Earlier I used ubuntu on the same server and never seen this error before |
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| 14:29.24 | jelly | maxvi: are you able to start top and press uppercase M to look at memory consumers? |
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| 14:31.14 | jelly | maxvi: if you ran those commands as normal user, do you have an open root shell somewhere to try if it still works? |
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| 14:32.18 | ChrisH | maxvi: do you have swap activated? |
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| 14:34.28 | quarterback | oxagast: How to check max number of sockets for a user and root? |
| 14:35.26 | ChrisH | quarterback: AFAIK, sockets count as files... as everything is a file on UNIX |
| 14:35.57 | quarterback | chrisH: How to check that for any user? I increased hard and soft nofile limits for a user. |
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| 14:36.14 | quarterback | chrisH: Do I also have to do that for root? |
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| 14:37.25 | quarterback | chrisH: oxagast was talking about this a few minutes ago. |
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| 14:38.09 | anti_ | Hello |
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| 14:38.24 | anti_ | Do i need internet connection when installing debian in a computer? |
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| 14:38.44 | oxagast | echo `netstat -an | wc -l`-4 | bc |
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| 14:39.14 | oxagast | that will tell you how many you have open at the time being |
| 14:39.28 | ChrisH | quarterback: do you get error messages on out-of-filedescriptors? |
| 14:39.37 | themill | anti_: only if you want to install packages that are not on the install image you downloaded |
| 14:39.41 | darxmurf | anti_: if you use a ISO CD/DVD no |
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| 14:39.55 | quarterback | ChrisH: No errors |
| 14:40.19 | themill | darxmurf: not really true |
| 14:40.40 | ChrisH | quarterback: why do you care about it? check ls /proc/PID/fd/ per process |
| 14:41.25 | anti_ | ok so i downloaded debian 8, not the netinst version, i woint need internet then. Thank you. |
| 14:41.30 | quarterback | ChrisH: I am still configuring a server, so I had to set parameters, applications are not installed yet |
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| 14:41.52 | anti_ | How do you guys play youtube videos when not having flash? I dont want to install flash |
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| 14:42.01 | anti_ | Maybe via vlc or something else?¿ |
| 14:42.02 | NoImNotNineVolt | html5. |
| 14:42.05 | oxagast | i think youtube uses HTML5 |
| 14:42.24 | NoImNotNineVolt | https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB4QFjAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fhtml5&ei=S4VHVYvXHfTLsAT7r4HAAw&usg=AFQjCNH-GV0ZrL7oNCuzcu1ICZqwjJcXOQ&bvm=bv.92291466,d.aWw |
| 14:42.38 | ttrobisch | www.youtube.com/html5 |
| 14:42.39 | NoImNotNineVolt | woops. google's wonderful links. sorry. https://www.youtube.com/html5 |
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| 14:45.37 | ChrisH | quarterback: _I_ would not fiddle with default values unless a) I get errors. b) I see performance impacts. c) the SW vendor requests/suggests special setting. |
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| 14:46.15 | quarterback | ChrisH: This is for an ircd and a webserver, there should be some limits, say 40000 connections per second. |
| 14:46.23 | anti_ | Not every video is html5 though |
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| 14:48.19 | oxagast | i'm kinda with ChrisH on this one, just leave it unless you really have a reason to mess with it |
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| 14:49.37 | ChrisH | quarterback: connections/sec is nothing you can handle with max-open-file settings. |
| 14:49.41 | quarterback | oxagast: The default value is 1024, I felt I should increase it to a higher number. I'll see what happens with this. |
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| 14:50.00 | quarterback | chrisH: Copy that to you as well. |
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| 14:51.35 | vegardx | Install the application first, see if you need 400000 requests per seconds after that. I doubt it. |
| 14:51.47 | vegardx | Err, "only" 40000. |
| 14:51.58 | vegardx | (hint: you won't) |
| 14:52.29 | vegardx | anti_: Google has reencoded all videos to H264 and VP8. |
| 14:52.35 | quarterback | vegarx: I will decrease it if something happens. |
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| 14:53.01 | vegardx | Why are you optimizing for something that is never going to happen? |
| 14:53.08 | anti_ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksDaneswSCQ |
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| 14:53.26 | vegardx | Even if your webserver only served 1-byte files, you'd run out of bandwith long before. |
| 14:53.31 | anti_ | my browser says it doesnt recognize any of the formats available |
| 14:53.45 | Amun_Ra | quarterback: 40k conn/sec? which load balancer do you have? |
| 14:53.51 | vegardx | Plays in the HTML5 player for me, anti_. |
| 14:54.05 | vegardx | As I said, Google has reencoded everything. They have said so, I doubt they've randomly forgotten some videos. |
| 14:54.09 | quarterback | Amun-Ra: None , the server runs Apache2 |
| 14:54.18 | Amun_Ra | quarterback: just one server? |
| 14:54.18 | NoImNotNineVolt | if your browser doesn't support html5 video, and you don't want to install flash, then you won't have much success playing youtube videos, as those are your only two options. |
| 14:54.31 | quarterback | Amun_Ra: Yes, one server for a website. |
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| 14:54.40 | Amun_Ra | quarterback: you won't make it up to 40k |
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| 14:54.52 | vegardx | Amun_Ra: Lets watch him try, pleeeease! |
| 14:54.53 | anti_ | vegardx: im using iceweasel, what are you usuing? |
| 14:55.02 | ChrisH | Amun_Ra: cannot be important content.... :) |
| 14:55.08 | quarterback | Amun_Ra: It is a wild guess, probably the site wont have more than thousand users per second. |
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| 14:55.18 | vegardx | I'm running the devils software, anti_. So I try not to talk too loudly about it in here. But I run webkit-based browser. |
| 14:55.38 | Amun_Ra | quarterback: depending on the content you'll have problems even with 1k/sec |
| 14:55.39 | NoImNotNineVolt | safari? |
| 14:55.58 | vegardx | quarterback: Real talk: A few thousand users per second would rank you up there with the top 2500 sites in the world. You won't have that amount of traffic. |
| 14:56.00 | anti_ | vegardx: So thats my problem right? |
| 14:56.07 | quarterback | Amun_ra: The site would have 5 to 8 static webpages, no scripts, no images, videos. |
| 14:56.15 | vegardx | anti_: Could be, does it support VP8 or H264? |
| 14:56.16 | anti_ | an anyone with iceweasl try to play https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksDaneswSCQ¿ |
| 14:56.19 | anti_ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksDaneswSCQ |
| 14:56.42 | quarterback | vegardx: Yes, certainly, I am only imagining it would the maximum hard limit for this server. |
| 14:56.50 | quarterback | would be* |
| 14:56.50 | anti_ | vegardx: vp8 yes, not h... |
| 14:57.12 | oxagast | lol 40 con/sec |
| 14:57.15 | oxagast | 40k |
| 14:57.25 | oxagast | i wanna see your internets bill |
| 14:57.45 | vegardx | quarterback: You cannot do it on one server. Period. Set things up, then figure out what needs to be tuned. Not the other way around. |
| 14:57.55 | Amun_Ra | I second that |
| 14:58.10 | vegardx | anti_: Strange, have you enabled HTML5-player on youtube.com/html5? |
| 14:58.23 | anti_ | vegardx: Yes i did |
| 14:58.26 | quarterback | vegardx: I have to increase the number of sockets for an ircd. The default value for this machine is 1024, which is too low. |
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| 14:58.40 | vegardx | Then set ulimit to unlimited? |
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| 14:58.57 | vegardx | Debian has an insanely low default ulimit value for userspace. |
| 14:58.59 | anti_ | vegardx: can you please try it with iceweasel? |
| 14:59.12 | vegardx | anti_: I don't have a Debian-machine around, sorry. |
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| 14:59.25 | NoImNotNineVolt | 1024 connections ought to be enough for anybody. |
| 14:59.37 | vegardx | I'd take a look at the reponse headers you're sending and see if VP8 is noticed there. |
| 14:59.54 | vegardx | NoImNotNineVolt: To be fair, it usually is. Unless you host a load balancer or something fun. |
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| 15:00.07 | ChrisH | quarterback: check ulimit -n and compare to ulimit -aH outoput. I cannot believe 1024 open files per process as default. I get 64k on jessie |
| 15:00.27 | vegardx | ChrisH: Oh, have they bumped it now? Praise baby jesus! |
| 15:00.35 | quarterback | chrisH: brb will check that now. |
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| 15:00.59 | ChrisH | vegardx: just got unsuire and verified on Wheezy... there we have 1k/4k .... |
| 15:01.04 | TyrfingMjolnir | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:01.06 | TyrfingMjolnir | in Jessie? |
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| 15:01.07 | TyrfingMjolnir | Or why is mine always changing when I reboot? |
| 15:01.16 | ChrisH | quarterback: if you setup a new box do not use wheezy! |
| 15:01.28 | vegardx | ChrisH: Yeah, they are fairly low on wheezy. I have to set them to something more useful, but like, twice of that or something. |
| 15:01.35 | quarterback | chrisH: It is debian 7, not sure about its name |
| 15:01.43 | Amun_Ra | TyrfingMjolnir: nope |
| 15:01.48 | vegardx | And whatever ChrisH said. Don't start with obsolote software. |
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| 15:02.08 | ChrisH | quarterback: Debian 7 is Wheezy... why starting with old-stable for a new box? |
| 15:02.17 | vegardx | TyrfingMjolnir: Sure you don't use some sort of config management? |
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| 15:02.22 | quarterback | chrisH: It seems stable |
| 15:02.25 | TyrfingMjolnir | ajenti? |
| 15:02.34 | ChrisH | quarterback: its old-stable |
| 15:02.37 | vegardx | Bingo, TyrfingMjolnir |
| 15:02.45 | quarterback | chrisH: Debian 5 or 6 would be stable but I wanted to try 7. |
| 15:02.48 | rfreeman_w | ChrisH, quarterback: Debian8 failed for me, RAID didn't worked, network didn't worked. there are lots of corners and horns to polish |
| 15:02.58 | vegardx | uhm. |
| 15:03.14 | vegardx | Sounds more like: crappy raid adapter (why not mdadm?!) and network cards. |
| 15:03.17 | Remram | pam-kwallet still isn't in Debian? |
| 15:03.21 | rfreeman_w | keeps setting up debian7 because it just works |
| 15:03.29 | quarterback | rfreeman: So I didn't try the latest stable yet, I am looking at 1 year old software, which could be fine, I dont know yet. I am still testing this version. |
| 15:03.35 | ChrisH | rfreeman_w: Fake-raid or SW-raid? |
| 15:03.37 | rfreeman_w | not even to mention that systemd controversy |
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| 15:03.53 | rfreeman_w | ChrisH, software raid by default refuses to start 1 of 2 devices in mirror |
| 15:03.54 | Amun_Ra | rfreeman_w: if you do not have read raid go for mdraid |
| 15:03.58 | vegardx | Don't use that name in vain, rfreeman_w! |
| 15:04.02 | Amun_Ra | real* |
| 15:04.06 | abrotman | Stop, not amusing |
| 15:04.11 | quarterback | rfreeman: I think as chrisH said, debian 5 or 6 would be ideal for a server |
| 15:04.14 | abrotman | no |
| 15:04.16 | ChrisH | quarterback: do yourself a favour and upgrade the box to Jessie before installing and configuring anything! |
| 15:04.17 | abrotman | that's not true |
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| 15:04.29 | Amun_Ra | quarterback: turned off server, yes |
| 15:04.32 | rfreeman_w | what do you mean? stop what? what name? huh? |
| 15:04.40 | ChrisH | quarterback: I did recommend to use Debian 8 = Jessie!! |
| 15:04.45 | Amun_Ra | rfreeman_w: what's your mobo model? |
| 15:05.23 | ChrisH | rfreeman_w: I did install a sw raid with a mirror and only one disk... no problem with debian installer in text export mode. |
| 15:05.37 | abrotman | *no one* should be using Lenny for things that can be accessed from the internet (and probably not squeeze either, depending on the support your required packages get from squeeze-lts) |
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| 15:08.28 | maxvi | ChrisH: I haven't swap on this server but earlier everything works fine on ubuntu. I can't have the swap. |
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| 15:12.17 | rfreeman_w | Amun_Ra, 970A-G43 mainboard. network works in net install but not in the installed system |
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| 15:12.58 | Amun_Ra | rfreeman_w: go for mdraid, don't use bios pseudo-raid |
| 15:13.10 | rfreeman_w | ChrisH, does it at boot complain at 1 out of 2 disks? did you also configured LUKS and LVM on it? the bug is probably that LUKS gives up on asking for password if raid is degraded |
| 15:13.25 | rfreeman_w | Amun_Ra, yes, I use the raid in software configured by installer |
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| 15:17.05 | rfreeman_w | Amun_Ra, installed system complains that firemware is not found at turns off the card. Debian 7 (on other hardware but also RTL) complained it can not find firmware, AND then kept running (perhaps in some less optimal way). Installer was able to use network so it CAN work without propertiary driver |
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| 15:17.59 | vegardx | Does that card give you BBU or writeback caching? |
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| 15:18.04 | vegardx | If not, why are you using it? |
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| 15:18.14 | vegardx | mdadm is so much faster. |
| 15:18.47 | rfreeman_w | vegardx, what card? I am using software raid. I do not have any "raid card". There are 2 separate bugs, one is with RAID+LUKS not working, other is with NIC card not working |
| 15:19.10 | vegardx | And heck, even the controller is probably just an embedded linux system with a really old kernel and mdadm in the background. |
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| 15:19.18 | vegardx | Aha. |
| 15:19.36 | jelly | rfreeman_w: which NIC card? pci id? (lspci -nn) |
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| 15:20.47 | anti_ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksDaneswSCQ can anyone try this with iceweasel? I cant play it because it says it doesnt recognize it |
| 15:21.06 | anti_ | And i cant play it with vlc either, it just closes after a second |
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| 15:21.19 | petn-randall | anti_: "Unfortunately, this video is not available in your country because it could contain music, for which we could not agree on conditions of use with GEMA. " |
| 15:21.42 | anti_ | petn-randall: Thats not the problem i get, weird. |
| 15:22.02 | anti_ | petn-randall: Have you tried playing it with vlc? |
| 15:22.17 | petn-randall | anti_: I get that in Germany. YT blocks the access to certain videos here. |
| 15:22.36 | rfreeman_w | jelly, according to http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130679 the 970A-G43 has Realtek 8111E |
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| 15:22.39 | ChrisH | rfreeman_w: I did have LVM oder degraded raid on that box, no LUKS there. but no problem wuring bootup. |
| 15:22.46 | petn-randall | anti_: What is the exact error you get? |
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| 15:23.13 | anti_ | petn-randall: With the browser? Its that my browser doesnt recognize the video |
| 15:23.14 | rfreeman_w | ChrisH, yeah so the bug must be in luks+raid setup then |
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| 15:23.39 | petn-randall | anti_: Can you paste a screenshot? |
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| 15:25.10 | anti_ | petn-randall: dont know how to |
| 15:25.15 | rfreeman_w | ChrisH, btw one more bug is when you select encryption type Blowfish, it says it could not use it |
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| 15:25.35 | rfreeman_w | so 1 bugs before installing it, 2 before getting it to work >_> |
| 15:25.36 | ChrisH | rfreeman_w: IIRC I had a failed disk on a RAID -> LUKS -> LVM setup once and there it booted normally. On Jessie Release notes there is something on plymouth needed if LUKS is used. |
| 15:26.10 | rfreeman_w | ah yes plymouth. That is one of this "cool new things" right? Why debian has to do all this things instead use good old tried tools |
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| 15:26.25 | petn-randall | !tell anti_ -about screenshot |
| 15:26.50 | rfreeman_w | Plymouth is a bootsplash for Linux. It supports animations. |
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| 15:26.59 | petn-randall | ChrisH: LUKS works fine with and without plymouth (got both on a system each) |
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| 15:27.04 | rfreeman_w | I certainly prefer to have animation then to have working server, good priorities there |
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| 15:27.54 | rfreeman_w | ChrisH, I will have that bug reported, is there anything more needed to be added re the raid? screenshot or something? |
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| 15:29.43 | shay_shay | boot splashes are going away anyways because computers boot in 2 seconds now |
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| 15:29.58 | rfreeman_w | in general is there any way for debian to stop piling up new cool things in things like booting up computer or INIT and stick to boring but working stuff? |
| 15:30.06 | shay_shay | it would look worse to flash a image for a half of a second |
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| 15:30.59 | GreeningGalaxy | I'm having a world of trouble trying to get my laptop lid to make my computer suspend |
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| 15:31.28 | petn-randall | GreeningGalaxy: Which desktop environment are you running? |
| 15:31.30 | anti_ | petn-randall: I did the screenshot but i dont know where it got saved, im using xfce by the way. it says your browser doesnt currently recognize any of the video formats available |
| 15:31.32 | GreeningGalaxy | GNOME |
| 15:31.38 | shay_shay | rfreeman_w: what are you saying, afaik Debian doesn't have Plymouth? |
| 15:31.54 | GreeningGalaxy | I set the lid action to suspend using gnome-tweak-tool, which did absolutely nothing as far as I can tell |
| 15:31.55 | jelly | ,v plymouth |
| 15:31.56 | judd | Package: plymouth on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.8.3-9.2; wheezy: 0.8.5.1-5; sid: 0.9.0-9; stretch: 0.9.0-9; jessie: 0.9.0-9 |
| 15:32.14 | rfreeman_w | shay_shay, luks on degraded raid does not mount, one idea is that plymouth could be somehow responsible. I will report bug tomorrow if I get to it |
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| 15:32.28 | shay_shay | jelly: but its not installed by default right? |
| 15:32.30 | jelly | rfreeman_w: are you too old to learn new tricks? |
| 15:32.32 | rfreeman_w | s/does not mount/does not ask for password, so the system does not boot saying it can not find file system |
| 15:32.52 | GreeningGalaxy | I tried uncommenting handlelidswitch=suspend and lidswitchignoreinhibited=yes in logind.conf, which made it happily suspend when I /open/ the lid, but not when I close it. |
| 15:33.07 | rfreeman_w | jelly, I don't want to learn this silly things, and I prefer simpler but working server |
| 15:33.10 | jelly | shay_shay: I have no idea really, haven't installed a workstation in a while. |
| 15:33.14 | GreeningGalaxy | I almost got acpid to handle it properly back when I was using Arch, but I haven't had any luck with that yet. |
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| 15:33.43 | jelly | rfreeman_w: you have the option to delay learning it and use sysvinit instead |
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| 15:34.26 | GreeningGalaxy | I get problems like this under every distro I've tried. I would think it's something wrong with my hardware, but I can see it correctly logging lid close and open events all the time, so what gives? |
| 15:34.38 | rfreeman_w | it's like elevator that does a little dance before you enter it and then asks you to enter the floor number in Chinese. Maybe it's cool, and I could learn how to use that, how ever there are other things I would rather do and I expect a tool to just get it's job done with minimal absorption of user's time and attention |
| 15:34.40 | jelly | dpkg, tell rfreeman_w about remove systemd |
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| 15:35.09 | jelly | rfreeman_w: note that you may have to learn it for Debian 9 |
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| 15:35.39 | jelly | rfreeman_w: if you're installing a server, you're a sysadmin not a user |
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| 15:35.51 | rfreeman_w | jelly, I would probably go to some fork rather then use systemd in future, but I still hope Debian will go to openrc or something else at all |
| 15:36.00 | jelly | rfreeman_w: certain obligations follow from that, like learning how your OS works |
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| 15:36.35 | rfreeman_w | jelly, old init just works, why change it? don't fix it if not broken, there is plenty of stuff that actually is broken to fix |
| 15:36.51 | vegardx | There is plenty broken with sysv. |
| 15:36.54 | jelly | rfreeman_w: dpkg has told you how to keep it for the time being. |
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| 15:37.32 | rfreeman_w | yeap thanks jelly. well first I will have to help you fix the NIC and RAID (and Blowfish) bugs. But that's for tomorrow, thanks\ |
| 15:37.51 | jelly | rfreeman_w: for the next release, do a release upgrade/deployment in a test environment instead of breaking production |
| 15:38.45 | rfreeman_w | jelly, it's additional server, old ones are yet at deb7 and will wait until such things are fixed |
| 15:38.52 | anddam | I'd like to install VBox extension pack, is there a deb package I'm missing or should I let VBox tinker with system files? |
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| 15:39.03 | GreeningGalaxy | does anyone have a handler.sh file like might be in /etc/acpi/ that can handle lid close actions? |
| 15:39.14 | anddam | I don't like the idea of adding files outside system's pacackage manager control |
| 15:39.29 | rfreeman_w | jelly, btw the bugs as above are possible to be fixed yet, despite deb8 being stable right? if effect is indeed that NIC does not work, system does not boot, installer does not create blowfish instead offering it |
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| 15:40.30 | petn-randall | anddam: "apt-cache search virtualbox", you'll find guest additions there. |
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| 15:41.37 | anddam | petn-randall: how are those two related? |
| 15:41.55 | anddam | the guest additions are for the guest system |
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| 15:42.38 | petn-randall | anddam: You wanted the virtualbox guest additions? I showed you how to find the packaged versions. |
| 15:42.49 | GreeningGalaxy | if I go cat /proc/acpi/button/lid/LID/state with the lid open and closed, it returns correct values |
| 15:42.51 | jelly | rfreeman_w: yes, and I'm not sure all of those issues are bugs. |
| 15:43.28 | jelly | rfreeman_w: care to file an installation report? |
| 15:43.52 | rfreeman_w | jelly, yes, soon |
| 15:43.59 | jelly | !installation report |
| 15:43.59 | dpkg | methinks installation report is http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s04#submit-bug |
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| 15:44.15 | shay_shay | jelly: I asked my friend who installed Jessie this weekend and he has Plymouth, its unthemed tho. just three gray dots on a black background |
| 15:44.24 | x86_64 | 2 questions about the REISUB/O |
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| 15:45.22 | x86_64 | 1. It looks awesome to do: Alt+SysReq, REISUO to turn off the computer rather than going to a menu and click shutdown. But is it healthy for my system? |
| 15:45.37 | quarterback | How to enable comresssion in ssh, is it enabled by default in Debian or is there configuration to do. Example: Enabling zlib compression. |
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| 15:46.11 | GreeningGalaxy | x86_64: in theory, I think that's nicer than holding the power switch, but I don't think it's very nice. |
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| 15:46.35 | GreeningGalaxy | it will at least make sure it's not in the middle of a disk write when the power gets cut out from under everything. |
| 15:47.04 | petn-randall | quarterback: man ssh_config, search for "Compression". |
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| 15:47.45 | anti_ | petn-randall: Do you know what the problem could be? Should i use firefox? |
| 15:47.57 | GreeningGalaxy | x86_64: That function's designed to recover the system if it's totally bricked on you; not sure if it's good practice to use it for every shutdown. |
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| 15:48.55 | x86_64 | ok |
| 15:49.08 | petn-randall | x86_64: Throwing you laptop out of the window looks way cooler. It's only a tad unhealthier than shutting it down via sysrq though. |
| 15:49.15 | lyonsb | Reboot Even If System Utterly Broken ? |
| 15:49.31 | petn-randall | anti_: Still waiting for the screenshot. |
| 15:49.44 | GreeningGalaxy | well, sysrq is still safer than just holding the power button down, isn't it? |
| 15:49.50 | x86_64 | Reboot Even If System Utterly Owesome! lyonsb |
| 15:50.01 | lyonsb | yes, power button won't sync disks. |
| 15:50.16 | lyonsb | unless you have it configged to do that somewhere. |
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| 15:51.39 | petn-randall | lyonsb: If you don't wait for the sync to end via sysrq, you'll have the same problem. |
| 15:51.46 | anti_ | petn-randall: dont know where it is saved |
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| 15:52.38 | lyonsb | ^^ |
| 15:52.53 | petn-randall | anti_: I googled it for you: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1716649 |
| 15:52.53 | x86_64 | ok |
| 15:53.08 | anti_ | petn-randall: I took the screenshot |
| 15:53.13 | anti_ | how can i post it here? |
| 15:53.29 | x86_64 | 2. Some actions of the sysrq combination get: "This SysReq action is disabled" or something like that. How can I "Enable" it? |
| 15:53.33 | petn-randall | !tell anti_ -about paste |
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| 15:54.19 | nidhoegger | is there some way to flush the dns cache? my computer still resolves an updated hostname to the old ip whilst every other PC resolvs it corretl |
| 15:54.55 | rfreeman_w | x86_64, kernel.sysrq=1 to /etc/sysctl.conf. http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=432168 |
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| 15:55.04 | x86_64 | thx |
| 15:55.58 | anti_ | petn-randall: http://picpaste.com/Screenshot_-_05042015_-_11_52_54_AM-QxHoEl78.png |
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| 15:56.27 | GreeningGalaxy | I like just using sysrq-e/i. stop everything that's making the system freeze, but don't do a full hard reboot. |
| 15:57.51 | GreeningGalaxy | great for when Kerbal Space Program runs out of memory, lol |
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| 15:58.58 | x86_64 | aww: "In an actual kernel panic, sysreq doesn't work and your caps/numlock flashes." :( |
| 15:59.35 | anti_ | petn-randall: now? |
| 15:59.36 | petn-randall | anti_: Is that for all videos, or just this one? |
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| 15:59.44 | anti_ | petn-randall: some videos |
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| 16:00.17 | petn-randall | anti_: You can install Adobe Flash to watch those videos. I guess Youtube hasn't converted them all to HTML5 yet. |
| 16:00.36 | petn-randall | anti_: Which version of iceweasel are you running? |
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| 16:01.25 | anti_ | petn-randall: 31.6 |
| 16:01.50 | GreeningGalaxy | x86_64: I wouldn't expect so. If the kernel's run over a fatal error, I wouldn't expect much to work |
| 16:02.31 | x86_64 | hmmmm |
| 16:02.39 | petn-randall | ,v iceweasel |
| 16:02.40 | judd | Package: iceweasel on amd64 -- squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 31.3.0esr-1~deb7u1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 31.6.0esr-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 31.6.0esr-1~deb7u1; sid: 31.6.0esr-1; stretch: 31.6.0esr-1; jessie: 31.6.0esr-1; experimental: 37.0.2-1 |
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| 16:03.33 | x86_64 | my laptop got a kernel panic once, I tried the Sysrq combination but it didn't work, I tried holding the power button for more than 5 seconds but it didn't work, So, I had to remove the battery by hand which was a lot of work :| |
| 16:03.36 | x86_64 | GreeningGalaxy, |
| 16:04.10 | x86_64 | if at least sysrq works, it would have saved me energy and time. |
| 16:05.04 | GreeningGalaxy | I don't think that's just a missing feature, I think the sysrq keys are fundamentally unable to work during a kernel panic |
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| 16:06.24 | petn-randall | x86_64: If holding power didn't work, the problem was at a much lower level (doubt sysrq would have helped here). |
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| 16:07.31 | anddam | petn-randall: not the additions, the extension |
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| 16:09.32 | petn-randall | anddam: There is no such thing as VirtualBox guest extensions. |
| 16:09.57 | matthiaksrgr | how to change partition sizes on the install disk tool ? |
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| 16:10.24 | petn-randall | matthiaksrgr: Just select manual partitioning. |
| 16:10.42 | anddam | petn-randall: yes, in fact I wonder why did you add the "guest" part |
| 16:10.48 | TyrfingMjolnir | ajenti not working with jessie yet? |
| 16:10.54 | anddam | petn-randall: I was referring to the extension package to enable usb 2.0 and such |
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| 16:12.00 | petn-randall | anddam: Oh! As far as I know the Virtualbox extensions are proprietary, so you won't get around downloading and using it. |
| 16:12.51 | anddam | since there are no alternatives I gave vbox root permissions to install, the extension is just a tar archive so I know how the files are called |
| 16:12.51 | anddam | petn-randall: I was thinking about future removal |
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| 16:12.51 | x86_64 | petn-randall, yes, i found out it was a problem with my laptop's manufacturer not following ACPI standards |
| 16:12.51 | petn-randall | anddam: But just FYI: Other virtualization like libvirt/kvm are available that do that out of the box. |
| 16:12.51 | anddam | petn-randall: but I'm in a hurry and I already know how vbox works |
| 16:12.58 | anddam | I'll look into those |
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| 16:14.21 | matthiaksrgr | well, I can set the FS type, but I don't see anything to change the size :s |
| 16:15.06 | matthiaksrgr | and the help screen is too big to be shown entirely |
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| 16:15.41 | anddam | I see tasksel "standard" selection has ~pstandard required and important |
| 16:16.07 | petn-randall | matthiaksrgr: Oh, the filesystems already exist? Then you have to delete some and create a new one in place. That'll kill your existing data, though. |
| 16:16.14 | matthiaksrgr | ok |
| 16:16.21 | anddam | I'm setting a minimal system to only host a python webapp, can I avoid it and only install what I need or is the system unlikely to work without "standard"? |
| 16:16.25 | anddam | I'm at netinstall prompt now |
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| 16:16.39 | anddam | wellI can install those later... |
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| 16:17.39 | anddam | I'm going lean |
| 16:17.58 | petn-randall | anddam: Your question is horribly vague. The minimal system will boot, but depends on your definition of "will work". |
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| 16:19.37 | anddam | if I do apt-get install python will it succesfully complete that? |
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| 16:19.54 | anddam | I need to install a few packages, python, virtualenv, pip and uwsgi |
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| 16:20.16 | anddam | as long as it has APT I should be fine+ |
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| 16:21.56 | anddam | petn-randall: is that less vague? |
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| 16:22.14 | petn-randall | anddam: apt is essential :). It would be a serious bootstrapping problem otherwise, haha :) |
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| 16:23.47 | matthiaksrgr | hmm, still didn't find anything |
| 16:23.55 | matthiaksrgr | it's installing base system now ._. |
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| 16:24.46 | matthiaksrgr | !help install |
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| 16:27.28 | anddam | can someone suggest an offlien dictionary reader? |
| 16:27.50 | anddam | Gnome-dictionary seems to be only a client, I remember there was a "standard" dictionary format but I cannot remember its name |
| 16:27.57 | anddam | it makes finding app that read that format harder |
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| 16:29.52 | anddam | in a freshly installed Jessie without X session manager how do I configure a bigger-size console? |
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| 16:35.20 | anddam | btw it's curious that python-pip pulls in perl-modules |
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| 16:43.38 | matthiaksrgr | ok, it thinks the disk is mounted |
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| 16:48.18 | viccuad | guys, does someone get "you should update flash player plugin" on icedove? |
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| 16:48.40 | fe73 | whats the systemd equivalent of the service command? |
| 16:49.14 | matthiaksrgr | systemctl maybe? |
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| 16:51.15 | anti_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:54.20 | Guest20534 | hi |
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| 16:55.33 | viccuad | anti_: yep, iceweasel |
| 16:56.36 | anti_ | youtube with vlc didnt work, however with smplayer it did |
| 16:56.41 | Guest20534 | list |
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| 17:00.21 | matthiaksrgr | I always get "Can't open /dev/mapper/sda3_crypt exclusively. Mounted filesystem? |
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| 17:00.48 | matthiaksrgr | while creating the volume group |
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| 17:01.29 | teraflop | hmm I told someone this morning about putting per user terminfo files in the wrong location, the right location is ~/.terminfo/*/ |
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| 17:02.48 | matthiaksrgr | sigh |
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| 17:03.46 | zacts | how to install openjdk-8 on jessie? |
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| 17:04.51 | Brigo | zacts, check java-package |
| 17:05.17 | zacts | let me try this |
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| 17:05.28 | fe73 | Is openjdk 8 stable yet? I've been on 7 for quite a while |
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| 17:06.49 | zacts | Brigo: that seems to have only installed jdk 7 |
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| 17:07.00 | zacts | is there another side repo with openjdk-8? |
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| 17:08.29 | ponky | how can i get my network interfaces up on boot? auto eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces does not work, neither does ifconfig eth0 up in /etc/rc.local. |
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| 17:13.44 | Brigo | zacts, the package descriptions says it can install java 6, 7 and 8. See it by youself with apt-cache show java-package. |
| 17:13.55 | Amun_Ra | ponky: do you have iface eth0 ⦠entry? |
| 17:14.10 | ponky | Amun_Ra: iface eth0 inet manual, yes |
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| 17:14.29 | ponky | no ip address set because I want to use it in a openvswitch bond |
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| 17:15.32 | zacts | Brigo: oh interesting, thanks |
| 17:15.43 | Brigo | zacts, np :) |
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| 17:16.14 | dimitry7 | Hi guys, I am connecting through openvpn to my servers. when I do # w, to see who's logged in, I see everybody's IP is the same than my Open VPN's IPs. What can I do to configure that the real originating IP appears there? |
| 17:17.47 | Amun_Ra | ponky: so iirc you need up ifconfig line |
| 17:17.47 | zacts | Brigo: wait so how do I actually instruct apt-get install java-package to choose my wanted version? |
| 17:17.54 | zacts | I'm searching for how to do this |
| 17:18.03 | ponky | Amun_Ra: hmh? |
| 17:18.04 | abrotman | dimitry7: probably get a better answer in #openvpn |
| 17:18.11 | dimitry7 | abrotman, ok man |
| 17:18.12 | Brigo | zacts, i don't know . |
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| 17:18.48 | zacts | heh, it's ok. I'll figure it out. thanks though |
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| 17:18.57 | Brigo | zacts, did you try the man page or the documentation in /usr/share/doc/java-package ? |
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| 17:19.43 | Amun_Ra | ponky: sth like in https://wiki.linaro.org/LNG/Engineering/OVSOnUbuntu |
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| 17:20.14 | Amun_Ra | Brigo: the answer is update-alternatives --config java |
| 17:20.57 | Brigo | Amun_Ra, nice, thank you. |
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| 17:24.25 | boodie | Hi. Many thanks, it finally works (X). Now, in order to reinstall gdm3, just install it with aptitude? |
| 17:25.00 | ponky | Amun_Ra: thanks, ill try |
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| 17:25.27 | abrotman | boodie: yes |
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| 17:28.51 | boodie | Hi gdm3 is installed : how can I activate it? |
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| 17:30.11 | stockholm | update-alternatives |
| 17:30.50 | boodie | update-alternatives? |
| 17:32.05 | awal | stockholm: run "dpkg-reconfigure gdm3" then choose gdm3 instead of kdm, lightdm if you have them . if you haven't another DM so just run that command |
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| 17:32.35 | boodie | Is gdm3 the preferred option? |
| 17:33.04 | awal | oh, excuse stokholm, thats for boodie :) |
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| 17:33.38 | boodie | Thanks. Are gdm3 or kdm equivalent? |
| 17:33.46 | awal | boodie: which DE /WM you use? |
| 17:34.14 | boodie | With wheezy gdm3. Now I want to set one |
| 17:34.47 | awal | are you using gnome or kde, orxfce or what? |
| 17:35.36 | boodie | xfce (but wife prefers gnome or the so called default wm) |
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| 17:36.08 | boodie | Sometimes, when impattient, I use window maker ... is sooo fast |
| 17:36.19 | badbodh | in theory any display manager should work, irrespective of DE you are using |
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| 17:36.57 | stakewinner00 | boodie: have you tried lightdm? |
| 17:36.57 | awal | boodie: if you only use wmaker, try a lightweight DM such as lightdm or wdm |
| 17:37.45 | boodie | Ops I just did "dpkg-reconfigure gdm3" |
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| 17:37.49 | badbodh | i love lightdm, integrates with all de's very well |
| 17:38.17 | boodie | so, how can I try it? |
| 17:38.20 | badbodh | boodie, "/etc/X11/default-display-manager" tells you which dm you are using |
| 17:38.32 | badbodh | edit that with your fav text editor |
| 17:39.04 | badbodh | if gdm3 it says "/usr/sbin/gdm3" |
| 17:39.17 | boodie | Indeed |
| 17:39.18 | badbodh | for lightdm change it to "/usr/bin/lightdm" |
| 17:39.47 | boodie | Do I need to apt-get install it? |
| 17:39.52 | stakewinner00 | yes |
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| 17:40.09 | awal | boodie: for try gdm3, you will have to rebbot |
| 17:40.17 | awal | reboot ^ |
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| 17:41.44 | awal | boodie: i recommend you lightdm, gdm3 is heaver and requires more libs, deps, recommends... |
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| 17:43.03 | boodie | ok, I'm trying |
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| 17:44.01 | badbodh | if you have shallow mind and like fancy themes, you may wanna try mate display manager too :P |
| 17:44.02 | Remram | Alright, the system sound volume goes up to 100% each time a notification sound is played |
| 17:44.05 | Remram | WTF? |
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| 17:44.27 | Remram | I keep turning it down, it works until the next notification that just brings it back up to 100% |
| 17:44.33 | badbodh | Remram, edit /etc/pulse/daemon.conf |
| 17:44.36 | Remram | and emits a loud TING that bothers everyone around |
| 17:44.54 | badbodh | look for 'flat volume' and set it to 'no' |
| 17:45.10 | Remram | "; flat-volumes = yes" |
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| 17:45.18 | badbodh | also remove semi colon at the beginning |
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| 17:45.39 | badbodh | yeah that one^ |
| 17:45.54 | Remram | I'm not sure what that does, but ok |
| 17:46.16 | Remram | is that a bug between phonon and pulse? |
| 17:46.26 | badbodh | naah |
| 17:46.34 | badbodh | pulse is good boy |
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| 17:46.44 | Remram | that sounds (hehe) like a pretty serious issue that anyone using Debian will encounter |
| 17:47.09 | Remram | do I need to restart something? |
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| 17:47.40 | badbodh | kill pulseaudio process |
| 17:48.42 | Remram | any idea why the default is to allow the system to nuke the user's ears? |
| 17:48.47 | badbodh | or just reboot |
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| 17:49.23 | Remram | nah killing it worked thanks |
| 17:49.30 | badbodh | Remram, because frog you that's why :D |
| 17:49.55 | Remram | event sounds don't play at all now |
| 17:50.33 | badbodh | then manually start "pulseaudio&&" |
| 17:50.52 | badbodh | pulseaudio usually restarts itself |
| 17:50.57 | Remram | yeah it did |
| 17:51.03 | Remram | no I have sound, just not event sounds |
| 17:51.15 | badbodh | which de you using? |
| 17:51.24 | Remram | KDE |
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| 17:52.22 | badbodh | open kmixer and see the volume levels of each application |
| 17:52.49 | badbodh | click or right click the volume icon in tray, not using kde now so not sure |
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| 17:53.54 | Remram | yeah it's all there, but no sound |
| 17:53.57 | Remram | I'll log out/in |
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| 17:54.35 | dimitry7 | is there a patch for mumblehard? |
| 17:54.43 | badbodh | or just reboot, i always reboot after changing any file in /etc just to be sure |
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| 17:55.30 | Remram | ok works now |
| 17:55.46 | Remram | yeah well I migrated off Windows to not have to deal with that nonsense |
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| 17:58.35 | julius__ | hi |
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| 17:59.01 | badbodh | julius__, hail ceasar ! |
| 17:59.03 | ariadev | hi |
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| 17:59.33 | ariadev | i installed debian8 with two desktop (gnome and cinnamon) |
| 17:59.38 | badbodh | Remram, atleast linux non-sense is fixable |
| 17:59.43 | ariadev | i want to uninstall gnome |
| 17:59.52 | ariadev | any body help me |
| 17:59.55 | ariadev | thanks |
| 18:00.00 | julius__ | badbodh, thats right...bitches ;) |
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| 18:00.37 | sydney_untangle | ariadev: You don't have to uninstall both. |
| 18:00.38 | badbodh | tch tch julius__ update-alternatives --vocabulary |
| 18:00.45 | julius__ | ariadev, try with "apt-get remove gnome" i believe "gnome" is the right package |
| 18:00.52 | unixman9000 | apt-get autoremove --purge gnome* |
| 18:00.54 | sydney_untangle | or gnome* |
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| 18:00.58 | julius__ | badbodh, yes will so, sry |
| 18:01.31 | julius__ | im on testing, this;: openvpn --config quadcore.conf --verb 9 gives me zero output, running the same command with strace i can see a lot of lines with "/etc/localtime" how do i troubleshoot this problem? |
| 18:01.34 | ariadev | thanks unixman9000 |
| 18:01.44 | badbodh | julius__, join -offtopic for disruptive insincere conversation |
| 18:01.46 | unixman9000 | you bet. Happy to help |
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| 18:04.47 | badbodh | ^^i think removing gnome metapackage will also uninstall all the apps that come with it, which is very very stupidatilistic |
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| 18:06.09 | badbodh | please be careful with what you are removing, if it removes apps like brasero iceweasel, you need to find another way |
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| 18:06.42 | julius__ | badbodh, i was making a joke, as were you. |
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| 18:07.52 | badbodh | apt-get remove gnome ? that no joke that's fatal |
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| 18:08.32 | badbodh | i removed/autoremoved gnome, gnome-core etc metapakgs and got burned |
| 18:08.40 | badbodh | ariadev, STOP! |
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| 18:09.05 | awal | ariadev: there is not a magic single command for remove gnome entirely. you will have to handle that using apt, synaptic and aptitude... |
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| 18:09.45 | awal | I was able to do that but I needed 1 or 2 days... |
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| 18:11.15 | badbodh | awal, yeah man really cumbersome |
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| 18:19.51 | awal | yeah badbodh but it need a lot of time for remove obsolete libs and really have a 0 gnome stuffs, dozens , almost if you have another DE that uses gnome libs such as xfce |
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| 18:20.11 | julius__ | badbodh, did you read her question? |
| 18:20.48 | awal | GreeningGalaxy: do you use any DE/WM? |
| 18:20.53 | GreeningGalaxy | yup, GNOME |
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| 18:21.20 | GreeningGalaxy | I found an Arch thread that had a similar problem, and someone mentioned fixing it by turning off the logind handlers and just using gnome-power-manager |
| 18:21.35 | GreeningGalaxy | which is all well and good, except for 'bash: gnome-power-manager: command not found' |
| 18:21.39 | GreeningGalaxy | it is installed, of course |
| 18:21.48 | badbodh | GreeningGalaxy, as a root edit "/etc/systemd/logind.conf" |
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| 18:21.58 | GreeningGalaxy | badbodh: been there, done that. |
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| 18:22.11 | awal | check in gnome tweak tool, something there can be done. also it can be done via systemd |
| 18:22.18 | GreeningGalaxy | turning on those lid handler settings just makes it suspend on lid /open/, not lid close. |
| 18:22.26 | valdyn | GreeningGalaxy: you would need to install that program before you can use it |
| 18:22.36 | GreeningGalaxy | GreeningGalaxy | it is installed, of course |
| 18:23.22 | GreeningGalaxy | maybe the gnome-tweak-tool option will actually do something now that gnome-power-manager is installed, though? |
| 18:23.34 | badbodh | GreeningGalaxy, you change "HandleLidSwitch=" ? |
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| 18:23.48 | badbodh | naaah, it won't do anything |
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| 18:23.51 | GreeningGalaxy | yes. uncommented the line, HandleLidSwitch=suspend |
| 18:24.12 | GreeningGalaxy | the computer then does nothing when I close the lid, and then suspends when I reopen it. |
| 18:24.23 | badbodh | o.0 |
| 18:24.24 | badbodh | odd |
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| 18:24.37 | GreeningGalaxy | Everything's being logged correctly; I can see the lid switch registering closed/opened at the expected times. |
| 18:24.43 | GreeningGalaxy | in journalctl -b and stuff |
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| 18:25.07 | badbodh | GreeningGalaxy, when you close it, give it like 5-10 seconds to sleep ? |
| 18:25.15 | GreeningGalaxy | I've done that too, it never does. |
| 18:25.40 | GreeningGalaxy | like, I've put it in my bag, walked to class, and found it running (and of course very hot) upon arrival |
| 18:26.12 | GreeningGalaxy | it's been a recurring problem across several distros and desktop environments, so i think I need to find a workaround of some sort |
| 18:26.47 | GreeningGalaxy | I almost got acpi to handle it correctly under Arch, just by adding a line to the default /etc/acpi/handler.sh, but there doesn't appear to be such a file in Jessie. |
| 18:26.47 | ChrisH | GreeningGalaxy: did you enable power management in your DE? With KDE it works fine for me, I needed to load a special notebook specific module before it worked. hint: google your Laptop type ACPI Linux |
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| 18:27.15 | GreeningGalaxy | ChrisH: well, GNOME has practically no settings. There's a toggle in the tweak tool for that, but it doesn't do anything. |
| 18:27.29 | GreeningGalaxy | i'll try more googling, though. |
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| 18:28.37 | badbodh | GreeningGalaxy, did you reboot after changing the logind.conf? |
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| 18:29.41 | badbodh | try LidSwitchIgnoreInhibited= yes |
| 18:29.42 | GreeningGalaxy | badbodh - no, just restarted systemd-logind. that seemed to update the behavior between "don't do anything" and "suspend on lid open" so I figured it was enough. |
| 18:29.46 | GreeningGalaxy | did that too. |
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| 18:30.11 | GreeningGalaxy | hmm, may have found a fix. brb |
| 18:30.27 | badbodh | GreeningGalaxy, do tell if fix works |
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| 18:30.49 | GreeningGalaxy | okay |
| 18:31.12 | badbodh | doesn't happen on my laptop, as soon as i close lid, it does what i tell it to, lock suspend whatever |
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| 18:33.09 | fivetwentysix | how easy is it for my machine to get bruteforced on a vanilla debian install? |
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| 18:33.24 | fivetwentysix | oh wait my machine has no root password |
| 18:33.28 | fivetwentysix | it must be pretty hard |
| 18:33.30 | NoImNotNineVolt | that depends on a number of factors. |
| 18:33.38 | valdyn | fivetwentysix: thats silly |
| 18:33.44 | fivetwentysix | why? |
| 18:34.02 | fivetwentysix | valdyn: i mean you cant login with root password |
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| 18:34.42 | fivetwentysix | you'd have to guess my username and password |
| 18:35.00 | valdyn | appearantly thats easy enough on average |
| 18:35.10 | fivetwentysix | like right now some asshole with 118.98.43.33 is trying to break in |
| 18:35.13 | valdyn | the bots certainly keep trying |
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| 18:35.39 | dimitry7 | fivetwentysix, how can you see he/she 's trying to get in? |
| 18:35.54 | valdyn | dimitry7: tail -f /var/log/auth.log |
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| 18:37.01 | dimitry7 | valdyn, ohh... well... AllowUsers |
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| 18:38.57 | GreeningGalaxy | nope, no good |
| 18:39.19 | dimitry7 | why? |
| 18:39.30 | GreeningGalaxy | closed the lid, the machine stayed running. opened it again, it tried to suspend and wake up in quick succession and got froze. |
| 18:39.53 | igt | hi. i have an ASUS R704 laptop, with a RALINK RT5390 chipset. I had firmware-ralink package installed, but I had wireless errors (wireless hardware disabled). I installed manually a driver for RT5390; it's not hardware disabled now. It's scanning, not finding any networks. Also, ifconfig no longer shows a wlan0 interface, but a ra0 interface. ifdown/up it doesn't work, if tells me the interface is unknown. |
| 18:39.54 | GreeningGalaxy | (sorry, this is in reference to my previous issue which I said I was leaving to fix a minute or two ago) |
| 18:39.55 | igt | any help greatly appreciated. I've looked on google, havent found anything that helps... |
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| 18:44.07 | GreeningGalaxy | badbodh: At the suggestion of a forum thread, I tried gsettings set org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.xrandr default-monitors-setup do-nothing, then used logind again. didn't work. |
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| 18:45.12 | Bombo | hi |
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| 18:49.11 | blackflow | systemd sucks. The uWSGI has nice init scripts that allow individual vassals be re/started/loaded. I'd like to see what black magick are maintainers going to do to implement the same functionality for systemd. |
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| 18:49.39 | fivetwentysix | dimitry7: auth.log |
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| 18:50.23 | GreeningGalaxy | ugh. i am so leaving GNOME for XFCE. |
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| 18:50.31 | Bombo | how can i make sure that booting is non-interactive, if 'something' happens, i got to enter rootpw to run fsck manually... on a computer with no screen/keyboard attached |
| 18:50.45 | Bombo | (still using wheezy) |
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| 18:51.15 | badbodh | GreeningGalaxy, this is odd. does your laptop have graphics card? nvidia/ati |
| 18:51.27 | GreeningGalaxy | ATI |
| 18:51.36 | GreeningGalaxy | I wouldnt be at all surprised if that were the problem |
| 18:51.47 | Mousey | is it one of those hybrid intel/ATI dealies? |
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| 18:52.04 | GreeningGalaxy | nope, just an ATI radeon somethingorother |
| 18:52.19 | badbodh | that may be, but try xfce and see if same thing happens. in theory systemd should be able to handle it solo |
| 18:52.39 | badbodh | but then again gnome is 'buggyish' |
| 18:52.51 | jolt | Bombo: Not my expertize, but maybe tune2fs is part of the answer. Setting -e for error-behaviour when booting and setting mount-count etc to 0 so that it doesnt trigger? |
| 18:52.57 | GreeningGalaxy | I've used xfce before on this system, and it was one of the two desktop environments capable of sanely handling the lid switch on its own |
| 18:53.02 | GreeningGalaxy | lxde was the other one |
| 18:53.23 | GreeningGalaxy | kde came close, but ultimately did the same thing as systemd (suspend on lid open) |
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| 18:53.55 | badbodh | de's are just gui |
| 18:54.05 | badbodh | they dont really handle hardware |
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| 18:55.06 | GreeningGalaxy | fine, rephrase: absolutely nothing I tried on any other DE worked to make the lid switch suspend my laptop, period. with XFCE or LXDE running, closing the lid made it suspend as expected. |
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| 18:55.44 | ChrisH | Bombo: get a serial console attached and/or a real server HW with iLOM/iLO/DRAC or any other system console via network. Otherwise no chance |
| 18:55.50 | badbodh | there there, let it all out :D |
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| 18:55.52 | GreeningGalaxy | Don't ask me why; if I knew, I probably would be able to fix this on my own. I'm just speaking from experience here. |
| 18:56.14 | jolt | ChrisH: Good idea |
| 18:56.35 | GreeningGalaxy | my GNOME 3.x experience so far has been woeful anyway, I won't miss it. |
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| 18:57.10 | GreeningGalaxy | at least XFCE has actual settings that you can set and it doesn't ignore. |
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| 18:59.12 | badbodh | GreeningGalaxy, if you have pm-utils installed |
| 18:59.26 | badbodh | try to manually put your laptop to sleep |
| 18:59.38 | badbodh | just for troubleshooting |
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| 19:01.49 | badbodh | debian doesnt install pm-utils by default i think. that may be the issue |
| 19:01.53 | GreeningGalaxy | hrm |
| 19:02.05 | GreeningGalaxy | i can still suspend with systemctl-suspend just fine |
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| 19:02.52 | GreeningGalaxy | okay, installed pm-utils. now what? |
| 19:03.13 | karlpinc | GreeningGalaxy: There was a conversation having something to do with lid-suspend the other day. I recall nothing other than somebody made a dpkg factoid. |
| 19:03.26 | badbodh | reboot and check lid action again |
| 19:03.30 | GreeningGalaxy | okay |
| 19:03.42 | GreeningGalaxy | what about the dpkg factoid? |
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| 19:03.57 | karlpinc | GreeningGalaxy: Follow badbodh first before going and searching. |
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| 19:05.15 | Bombo | jolt: i think its not the mount count, it happened when the power failed... |
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| 19:06.02 | jolt | Bombo: no, prompt is probably due to the -e, but you should follow ChrisH's idea |
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| 19:07.07 | Bombo | ChrisH: no i can connect screen/keyboard, but it's work ;) |
| 19:07.09 | viccuad | hey guys, do you know of a dyn dns client currently on the debian repos? thanks in advance |
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| 19:07.33 | ChrisH | viccuad: ddclient |
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| 19:09.03 | viccuad | ChrisH: thanks |
| 19:10.13 | Bombo | jolt: i would rather set a configure option somewhere for something like 'in case of a failure, just auto fix what you can, just write log, but boot up to network in any case' than buying new hardware |
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| 19:11.49 | srg | What's with all the Hash Sum Mismatch errors lately? I've gotten them on and off for weeks :-\ |
| 19:11.54 | jolt | Bombo: Yes. But if there is disk error you can set an option with tune2fs, just as I said. if it can't recover, well, then it cant recover and you are screwed anyway |
| 19:11.59 | srg | I thought it only occured when the mirror was in the act of updating |
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| 19:14.19 | karlpinc | Bombo: Trouble is, "auto-fixing" means, possibly, making random stuff disappear from the disk. That's a bad thing to have happen automatically. |
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| 19:15.42 | viccuad | this is going to sound weird, but I'm lost. Do cronjobs as they are exist anymore with systemd? |
| 19:15.51 | GreeningGalaxy | no luck. no response at all when I close the lid. |
| 19:15.55 | valdyn | viccuad: you can use cron |
| 19:16.44 | badbodh | karlpinc, help GreeningGalaxy . he is all yours :D |
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| 19:17.05 | GreeningGalaxy | is a she |
| 19:17.10 | karlpinc | !tell GreeningGalaxy about disable lid suspend |
| 19:17.15 | GreeningGalaxy | thanks! |
| 19:17.28 | NoImNotNineVolt | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender-specific_and_gender-neutral_pronouns#Generic_he |
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| 19:17.35 | karlpinc | GreeningGalaxy: That's the factoid I found. There's another just for <suspend> that might possibly be useful. |
| 19:17.44 | GreeningGalaxy | ...except I already have HandleLidSwitch=ignore |
| 19:18.00 | GreeningGalaxy | okay |
| 19:18.44 | badbodh | ignore? don't ignore :/ susupend |
| 19:18.52 | badbodh | *suspend |
| 19:19.00 | karlpinc | GreeningGalaxy: I don't really know what your problem is (haven't scanned back) but possibly turning off the lid switch is messing with you. (Like it's gotten into the wrong state and then is doing things backwards or something?) Just a thought. |
| 19:19.12 | GreeningGalaxy | hrm |
| 19:19.38 | badbodh | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:19.54 | badbodh | intelroxx :D |
| 19:20.09 | GreeningGalaxy | Unless there's some more involved way to customize logind's event responses, I think my best bet is to go for something higher-level, like in the DE or acpi or something |
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| 19:27.18 | teraflop | GreeningGalaxy: so if you install gnome-power-manager and tell gnome to handle lid events, i think you must tell in logind.conf the handle.* to be = ignore |
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| 19:28.41 | GreeningGalaxy | teraflop: yeah, did that |
| 19:29.05 | GreeningGalaxy | right now my logind is all default except lid switch = ignore and ignoreinhibited=no |
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| 19:29.50 | badbodh | that will do exact opposite of what you trying to get :D |
| 19:30.01 | badbodh | but meh, what the hell, try everything |
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| 19:30.25 | badbodh | hugs GreeningGalaxy |
| 19:30.27 | badbodh | there there |
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| 19:31.28 | teraflop | GreeningGalaxy: i mean all commented out except http://ix.io/ihi |
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| 19:32.16 | viccuad | guys, I'm curious, how does a daemon work in jessie if there's no systemd config on it? http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/collab-maint/ddclient.git/tree/ thanks in advance |
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| 19:32.41 | GreeningGalaxy | teraflop: would the powerkey/suspendkey/hibernatekey stuff really affect the lid switch? |
| 19:33.17 | Brigo | viccuad, systemd builds one unit from init script on boot. |
| 19:33.27 | teraflop | GreeningGalaxy: I only can say that what I told you works for me |
| 19:33.49 | GreeningGalaxy | okay |
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| 19:34.12 | GreeningGalaxy | I don't have a suspend or hibernate key, so *shrug* |
| 19:35.12 | GreeningGalaxy | i think I'm just gonna hop over to xfce. :/ |
| 19:35.57 | viccuad | Brigo: thanks. Could you point me to some info on the wiki? I can't find much on this exact thing |
| 19:36.25 | Brigo | viccuad, not sure about the wiki, let me check. |
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| 19:40.01 | teraflop | GeorgeJipa: maybe I missed something but I mean /etc/systemd/logind.conf and the dafault one looks like http://ix.io/ihm |
| 19:40.01 | Brigo | viccuad, this is the best i can find just now: http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.generator.html |
| 19:40.16 | viccuad | Brigo: many thanks! |
| 19:40.25 | Brigo | viccuad, you are wellcome :) |
| 19:40.33 | teraflop | ups he left |
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| 19:41.29 | Brigo | viccuad, i think http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd-sysv-generator.html is what you are looking for. |
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| 19:42.46 | viccuad | Brigo: thanks again :). How would you go about suggesting ddclient package mantainers to include a systemd service conf? (I think this question is best suited for debian-mentors, but, anyway) |
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| 19:43.12 | Brigo | viccuad, not sure, whishlist may be? :D |
| 19:45.35 | dimitry7 | is it better to use sudo or admin group for root acccess? |
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| 19:46.14 | valdyn | the admin group does not have root access |
| 19:46.31 | valdyn | (and the group name is adm i think) |
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| 19:47.44 | babilen | (which is about reading docs) |
| 19:47.48 | babilen | err |
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| 19:49.33 | unborn | dimitry7, you are about sshd? |
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| 19:50.41 | dimitry7 | unborn, yes |
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| 19:51.00 | dimitry7 | well, once they do ssh I can grant them privileges for too |
| 19:51.01 | dimitry7 | root |
| 19:51.16 | unborn | dimir, are you on jessie or wheezy? 8 or 7? |
| 19:51.17 | dimitry7 | my question is, should I use sudo group for it, or admin instead? |
| 19:51.20 | dimitry7 | jessie |
| 19:51.24 | dimitry7 | supported |
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| 19:52.12 | unborn | dimitry7, sshd for root account is not permitted in debian 8 but you can turn it of |
| 19:53.07 | valdyn | dimitry7: of course you should use the default setup, which is the sudo group |
| 19:53.14 | unborn | dimitry7, on target machine in terminal (as an root) nano /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 19:53.31 | dimitry7 | I am not logging it using root account |
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| 19:53.45 | unborn | find the line PermitRootLogin without-password and change it to PermitRootLogin yes |
| 19:53.53 | unborn | then just restart sshd |
| 19:53.54 | dimitry7 | I am not doing that |
| 19:54.05 | dimitry7 | I login as normal user |
| 19:54.09 | dimitry7 | then I want to become root |
| 19:54.18 | dimitry7 | what's the best way? default config as sudo? or admin? |
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| 19:54.28 | unborn | service ssh restart and you should have login as an root.. normal users does not need to change anything they are allowed by default |
| 19:54.28 | dimitry7 | sometimes default configs are not secure |
| 19:54.49 | valdyn | dimitry7: tell us, because that would be a serious bug |
| 19:55.00 | unborn | dimitry7, i did try this but no luck :D |
| 19:55.40 | unborn | I had to grant root.. anyway if you have web access you can turn sshd off after you would finished.. whatever will suits you best |
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| 19:57.37 | unborn | just note: PermitRootLogin without pass you just changing this to PermitRootLogin yes (with the password) |
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| 19:58.10 | unborn | so you are permitting root login but with the pass.. |
| 19:58.57 | karlpinc | dimitry7: The best way is to login as you, then use "su -" to become root. |
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| 19:59.34 | karlpinc | dimitry7: It's a bad idea to allow root to ssh in directly, and a bad idea to login directly as root. You always want to be able to track a login back to a person. |
| 19:59.45 | karlpinc | (Or at least a person's account.) |
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| 20:00.00 | unborn | dimitry7, you wont be able to log in as normal user and then changing yourself to root |
| 20:00.06 | unborn | it will fail |
| 20:00.28 | unborn | if you do above you can log in and then become root |
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| 20:00.46 | unborn | once you have handshake no one wil see you :) |
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| 20:00.56 | unborn | (as an normal user) |
| 20:01.00 | karlpinc | unborn: Why will su - fail? |
| 20:01.48 | unborn | karlpinc, coz logically if you are logged in as normal user and your sshd watching root permissions it will not let you |
| 20:02.15 | karlpinc | unborn: Once you're logged in sshd does not care what you do. |
| 20:02.30 | dimitry7 | karlpinc, ok my policy is |
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| 20:02.38 | unborn | you should tell sshd to allow root login and then once you log in to sshd as normal user then you can become root |
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| 20:02.47 | dimitry7 | root has never direct access through ssh |
| 20:02.53 | unborn | karlpinc, id did not worked on my server |
| 20:02.54 | dimitry7 | i do ssh as my user (dimitry) |
| 20:03.11 | karlpinc | dimitry7: Sudo is good if there's multiple people with root access, but bad if there's only one person because sudo allows access to root with the loss of a single credential. |
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| 20:03.25 | dimitry7 | and then, to become root, I have to be in the sudoers file right? |
| 20:03.30 | unborn | karlpinc, then he should not have an problem.. just log in as standard user and then root him self right? |
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| 20:03.48 | karlpinc | dimitry7: Not if you use the su command. the sudoers file is only for the sudo command. |
| 20:03.50 | dimitry7 | the sudoers file has sudo group as all privileges |
| 20:04.02 | dimitry7 | karlpinc, well, yes, of course |
| 20:04.10 | dimitry7 | but I am wondering about sudo only |
| 20:04.25 | dimitry7 | so I sometimes change the sudo group |
| 20:04.28 | karlpinc | dimitry7: Ok. Then you need your user to be in the sudo group. |
| 20:04.31 | dimitry7 | for the admin group in sudoers to become sudo |
| 20:04.42 | dimitry7 | yes, which group is better to have root privileges? |
| 20:04.45 | dimitry7 | admin or sudo? |
| 20:04.50 | DarkDevil | hwheel |
| 20:04.54 | DarkDevil | wheel* |
| 20:05.01 | dimitry7 | DarkDevil, that's BSD |
| 20:05.02 | karlpinc | dimitry7: The sudo group is for sudo privilges. |
| 20:05.12 | dimitry7 | karlpinc, try with admin, and you can do it |
| 20:05.32 | unborn | ...so basically when you add your self to sudoers you become root right a way.. isnt this what he actually dont want? |
| 20:05.50 | karlpinc | dimitry7: zless /usr/share/doc/base-passwd/users-and-groups.txt.gz |
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| 20:07.02 | karlpinc | unborn: When you add yourself to sudoers you can use the sudo command and do root-like things. But you environment is often different and not _exactly_ like what root gets. |
| 20:07.22 | unborn | karlpinc, okay |
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| 20:08.03 | dimitry7 | karlpinc, there's nothing there about admin |
| 20:08.33 | dimitry7 | I know |
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| 20:09.28 | karlpinc | dimitry7: Debian does not do anything special with admin. It works like other un*x systems work, I believe. |
| 20:09.29 | shay_shay | dimitry7: fedora/RHEL, slackware, gentoo, and others use wheel group by default |
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| 20:09.56 | karlpinc | dimitry7: You don't want to give admin sudo rights, probably. |
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| 20:12.05 | dimitry7 | karlpinc, okay |
| 20:12.13 | dimitry7 | it seems like it is the same |
| 20:12.18 | dimitry7 | the trick is done when executing sudo |
| 20:12.23 | karlpinc | dimitry7: Where are you seeing "admin"? I don't see that in the stock debian groups. If it's not there at all, well, you can make it and use it for anything you like. |
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| 20:12.28 | dimitry7 | doesn't really matter the group |
| 20:13.02 | dimitry7 | yes it is |
| 20:13.09 | dimitry7 | /etc/group |
| 20:13.11 | dimitry7 | there's admin |
| 20:13.32 | shay_shay | not here |
| 20:13.43 | shay_shay | theres lpadmin, thats printer stuff |
| 20:14.21 | shay_shay | you want the sudo group |
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| 20:14.29 | ahop | anyone familiar with udev rules? |
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| 20:15.17 | shay_shay | !ask to ask |
| 20:15.17 | dpkg | Don't ask to ask. Don't ask if anybody can help you with x. Just ask! If you're unsure how to phrase your question, ask me about <ask>. |
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| 20:15.51 | dimitry7 | shay_shay, you read my mind haha |
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| 20:17.43 | shay_shay | ahop: many people are |
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| 20:18.03 | ahop | shay_shay thanks |
| 20:18.05 | ahop | If I create a file /etc/udev/rules.d/99test.rules containing this single line (ok it's dumb, but only for testing purpose): |
| 20:18.09 | ahop | ACTION=="add",RUN+="/usr/bin/mount /dev/sda1 /media" |
| 20:18.22 | ahop | it should try to mount /dev/sda1 on /media on each udev addition, is that right? |
| 20:18.25 | ahop | but it never happens :( |
| 20:19.06 | ahop | why? |
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| 20:19.25 | ahop | shay_shay: or did I do something wrong? |
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| 20:28.42 | valdyn | except that /usr/bin/mount does not exist in debian |
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| 20:30.13 | shay_shay | ahop: in your terminal, do: which -a mount |
| 20:30.40 | vandox | either i am blind or mpd applies a tcp wrapper to its httpd with no entries in hosts.deny nor hosts.allow. Suggestions? |
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| 20:30.54 | ahop | it's: /usr/bin/mount |
| 20:31.06 | ahop | i'm testing on 2 computers: debian + archlinux |
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| 20:31.21 | ahop | now I'm sitting with the arch one, but it's the same with debian, i tried before |
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| 20:31.39 | deepblue | how could I install wxpython? |
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| 20:33.10 | bazhang | ,v wxpython |
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| 20:33.11 | judd | No package named 'wxpython' was found in amd64. |
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| 20:36.09 | bazhang | ,v boa-constructor |
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| 20:36.10 | judd | Package: boa-constructor on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.6.1-10; wheezy: 0.6.1-12; sid: 0.6.1-13; jessie: 0.6.1-13; stretch: 0.6.1-13 |
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| 20:38.20 | deepblue | bazhang: ok,thanz a lot |
| 20:38.22 | deepblue | thanx* |
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| 20:43.25 | klys | i did $ setterm -blank; and the tty still blanks. |
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| 20:49.54 | deepblue | " |
| 20:49.56 | deepblue | kernel:[41946.226173] Disabling IRQ #19,14% [3 python-wxgtk2.8 2,935 kB/8,579 kB 34%] 24.8 kB/s 12min 52s,Message from syslogd@deepblue at May 4 23:41:43 ..., kernel:[41956.064212] journal commit I/O error |
| 20:50.13 | deepblue | how to fix this? |
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| 20:52.34 | anddam | I need ta-lib http://ta-lib.org/hdr_dw.html , it's not in repo but there's a debian package from Thatguy. He marks his repo "unstable" but that's 2012, can the deb line at http://www.zwets.com/ta-lib/ cause issue to a jessie system? |
| 20:52.38 | anddam | no |
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| 20:53.00 | anddam | is it likely to work since it's labeled unstable but still 3 yo? |
| 20:54.25 | anddam | also why "unstable/" with a trailing slash? |
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| 20:56.06 | anddam | btw did I just look wrong and it's already there? I searched '~ntalib ~nta-lib |
| 20:56.07 | shay_shay | anddam: add the deb-src and build it against your current system |
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| 20:56.52 | DammitJim | in a samba share, what privileges do I need to set for the folder to be viewable for anyone? |
| 20:57.01 | DammitJim | just to see the folder (not the contents) |
| 20:57.07 | shay_shay | "nobody" |
| 20:57.37 | anddam | shay_shay: like a ssb? |
| 20:57.46 | anddam | build-deps |
| 20:57.53 | shay_shay | anddam: yes exactly |
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| 21:02.41 | anddam | mmm I added deb-src http://www.zwets.com/debs unstable/ to sources.list, updated, got a warning since it doesn't a PUBKEY but now I don't see the package in aptitude search results |
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| 21:02.47 | anddam | any hint? |
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| 21:03.57 | Amun_Ra | google:// zwets deb pubkey |
| 21:04.16 | Viproz | hello, I have a problem since an update, I don't have a notification area any more, I use LXDE and I thaught that indicator-application was the package that would manage it so I tried to reinstall it but it doesn't exists in jessie, is there another one I could use ? |
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| 21:06.27 | anddam | Amun_Ra: I see, I guess that rather than doing the gpg command I'll run "apt-key adv" with sudo |
| 21:06.42 | anddam | oh there it was, piped |
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| 21:08.07 | Amun_Ra | anddam: yes, then update |
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| 21:08.16 | anddam | Amun_Ra: still waiting on "gpg: requesting key" |
| 21:08.23 | anddam | I think the delay is a bit too much |
| 21:09.01 | Amun_Ra | anddam: it's always sth like: cat pubkey | apt-key add - |
| 21:09.03 | anddam | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:09.26 | anddam | no I followed some debian guide and I had a "direct" line with apt-get adv |
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| 21:10.03 | anddam | gpg: keyserver receive failed: keyserver error |
| 21:10.05 | Amun_Ra | anddam: it key is public, gpg --keyserver ipaddr --recv-keys fingerprint; gpg --armor --export fingerprint | apt-key add - |
| 21:10.11 | Amun_Ra | itâif |
| 21:10.36 | anddam | that would add the public key to my user's gpg keychain, right? |
| 21:10.58 | anddam | seemed unnecessary |
| 21:11.25 | shay_shay | there might be a command to override gpg checking one time |
| 21:11.37 | shay_shay | some -- argument |
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| 21:11.51 | anddam | I had this in hist sudo apt-key adv --keyserver pgpkeys.mit.edu --recv-key 15CBD88045C45076 |
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| 21:12.17 | Amun_Ra | could be old/expired |
| 21:12.26 | anddam | I just replaced server and fingerprint and it fails with with gpg: keyserver timed out |
| 21:12.29 | anddam | gpg: keyserver receive failed: keyserver error |
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| 21:12.50 | anddam | no because if I run the gpg command (not apt-key) it imports the key right fine |
| 21:13.14 | anddam | I'd like to understand why |
| 21:13.14 | shay_shay | --allow-unauthenticated |
| 21:13.25 | Amun_Ra | that's the wrong way to to that |
| 21:13.35 | anddam | Amun_Ra: what's the difference? |
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| 21:13.42 | Amun_Ra | anddam: you have to import the key to via apt-key |
| 21:14.01 | anddam | Amun_Ra: that's what I wanted to do, that's why I called apt-key |
| 21:14.03 | Amun_Ra | anddam: I was referring to allowing unauthenticated debs |
| 21:14.10 | shay_shay | Amun_Ra: why is it the wrong way if the source isnt trusted in the first place? |
| 21:14.23 | shay_shay | Amun_Ra: it's only a one time option |
| 21:14.38 | Amun_Ra | shay_shay: until the next update |
| 21:14.55 | anddam | how's importing in my user's gpg more authenticated? |
| 21:15.00 | shay_shay | Amun_Ra: that software is discontinued it seems |
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| 21:15.11 | Amun_Ra | shay_shay: there is a difference between trusting someone not being debian maintainer and trusting anyone > |
| 21:15.33 | Amun_Ra | anddam: import to the keychain, add |
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| 21:16.42 | anddam | done and done |
| 21:16.52 | anddam | no warning on update |
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| 21:17.00 | anddam | but I don't see the ta-lib package anyway |
| 21:17.13 | anddam | I only added the deb-src |
| 21:17.38 | shay_shay | anddam: apt-get source -b ta-lib ?? |
| 21:17.59 | anddam | actually aptitude search |
| 21:18.28 | anddam | the point is if apt doesn't know the package how can it build deps? |
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| 21:20.07 | Amun_Ra | anddam: it does know, it just doesn't have access to binary debs |
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| 21:20.40 | anddam | no it doesn't, it won't build-dep for ta-lib or ta-lib-dev |
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| 21:21.19 | Amun_Ra | anddam: did you download the source via apt-get source? |
| 21:21.23 | anddam | also how's one supposed to know what to build if aptitude or apt-cache don't show its name? |
| 21:21.42 | anddam | Amun_Ra: no, the factoid has build-dep before -b source |
| 21:22.07 | anddam | anyway |
| 21:22.10 | anddam | E: Unable to find a source package for ta-lib-dev |
| 21:22.38 | anddam | what are "Ign" starting lines in aptitude update's output? |
| 21:22.49 | anddam | I fear they are "Ignore" |
| 21:22.54 | Amun_Ra | mhm |
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| 21:23.19 | anddam | I followed the gpg instructions http://www.zwets.com/qtstalker/ |
| 21:23.24 | anddam | then updated |
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| 21:23.56 | shay_shay | Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 5), autotools-dev |
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| 21:24.20 | shay_shay | Binary: ta-lib0-dev, libta-lib0 |
| 21:24.31 | shay_shay | so -dev will be made as a result of building it |
| 21:25.01 | anddam | ok but why after updating the db I cannot find "ta-lib" with either aptitude or apt-cache? |
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| 21:26.12 | shay_shay | try libta-lib0 |
| 21:26.13 | cwong2012 | i am trying to run: ssh -t remotehost 'screen -d -m -S test top' and for some reason it will fail. any idea? |
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| 21:27.43 | anddam | shay_shay: that doesn't really answer my question tho', "libta-lib0" contains "ta-lib" substring so \~nta-lib should match, shouldn't it? |
| 21:28.04 | shay_shay | anddam: I dunno I dont use aptitude, sorry |
| 21:28.10 | anddam | apt-cache |
| 21:28.12 | anddam | it's the same |
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| 21:28.30 | loop3r | hello, from my server someone wants to send spam, provider blocks 25 so no big deal, but I can't figure out what happend, only log which containes something releated to that spam http://pastebin.com/d9hmN1HC , could you help me find out why it happend? It was first time i used postfix |
| 21:29.12 | anddam | shay_shay: I mean apt-cache search ta-lib should show the damn package |
| 21:29.19 | Amun_Ra | loop3r: you could set up an open relay |
| 21:29.58 | shay_shay | anddam: maybe its only showing binary package |
| 21:30.10 | loop3r | Amun_Ra: Is this possible with sasl enabled? |
| 21:30.13 | shay_shay | anddam: i'm not sure the way to search for courses, i've never needed to i guess |
| 21:30.21 | shay_shay | s/courses/sources |
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| 21:30.41 | Amun_Ra | loop3r: but you do not enforce auth on every mail coming to 25 |
| 21:31.08 | digdilem | loop3r, *guess* your allowed domains list lookup was broken and defaulted to allowing any domain to be routed for - make you an open relay. an automated script found you (inevitable) and sent spam via you. Yours ISP eventually noticed and blocked you. |
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| 21:32.26 | Amun_Ra | loop3r: I'm exim guy, I haven't tinkered with postfix configuration in a decade |
| 21:33.01 | loop3r | digdilem: Amun_Ra It was first time with postfix for me. So this wasnt some password leak or something? |
| 21:33.21 | loop3r | when 25 was block, postfix queue were 4,5k i had to flush it ;/ |
| 21:33.33 | shay_shay | hold on anddam i am going to try building it |
| 21:33.46 | digdilem | if you were running an open relay, i guarantee it would have been found within hours and abused |
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| 21:34.22 | digdilem | my mail servers (exim, not postfix) are full of probes, several a minute at times |
| 21:34.51 | anddam | shay_shay: how? |
| 21:35.05 | anddam | shay_shay, Amun_Ra: btw this is my update output https://gist.github.com/anddam/fa9041f67d316ea24201 |
| 21:35.08 | digdilem | i can't guarantee you didn't have another problem loop3r, but that is the most likely scenario if you misconfigured your MTA to be an open relay. Top tip: Don't run an open relay. ever. |
| 21:35.23 | shay_shay | anddam: its building |
| 21:35.50 | shay_shay | anddam: its building |
| 21:35.52 | shay_shay | er |
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| 21:36.20 | shay_shay | sudo apt-get build-dep ta-lib && sudo apt-get source -b --allow-unauthenticated ta-lib |
| 21:36.38 | loop3r | digdilem: Can i check somehow if I had open-relay then? |
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| 21:37.10 | digdilem | loop3r, http://mxtoolbox.com/diagnostic.aspx - although if your isp has blocked smtp you can't |
| 21:37.54 | loop3r | digdilem: I unblocked it via panel |
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| 21:38.01 | digdilem | k, then run that |
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| 21:38.21 | digdilem | but you should not be unblocking anything without understanding what happened and fixing it! |
| 21:38.53 | loop3r | digdilem: I just want to be sure if this was open-relay issue or something worse |
| 21:39.17 | digdilem | being an open relay is bad enough :/ |
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| 21:41.23 | shay_shay | anddam: theres something wrong with this build script. if you dont want to debug it i suggest you build it manually from the official tarball and stow it in /usr/local |
| 21:41.50 | loop3r | digdilem: result: A May be an open relay. |
| 21:43.42 | anddam | shay_shay: ok but how did you figure the package was called ta-lib? |
| 21:43.50 | anddam | the site called for ta-lib-dev? |
| 21:43.55 | anddam | I'll install from source tho |
| 21:43.58 | anddam | thanks |
| 21:44.00 | anddam | bye |
| 21:45.21 | shay_shay | anddam: i am trying now with "fakeroot debian/rules binary" |
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| 21:47.02 | shay_shay | ls |
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| 21:58.05 | shay_shay | anddam: i got it to build by hacking up the debian/rules file |
| 21:58.49 | shay_shay | I didnt fix it, but i think what i removed was non-essential |
| 22:01.08 | shay_shay | I removed install-examples and every reference to it https://gist.github.com/shawnbon206/77c0a5438d27b5442443 |
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| 22:07.56 | shay_shay | i dont even know what prompt you will get when you use rar x -r |
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| 22:20.05 | a1fa | hello, i am trying to bring up a bridge via network configuration script |
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| 22:20.49 | a1fa | if i create br0 interface manually, it works fine |
| 22:20.56 | sabrina_ | hi people |
| 22:21.03 | sabrina_ | i need help |
| 22:21.17 | sabrina_ | i went to a trouble in upgrading my system |
| 22:22.36 | sabrina_ | tried to perform a apt-get install -f but does not work |
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| 22:22.55 | trilakin | ahh it's a wonderful day |
| 22:22.58 | sabrina_ | this is updating sources: https://paste.debian.net/171431/ |
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| 22:24.07 | sabrina_ | this is trying to update |
| 22:24.08 | sabrina_ | https://paste.debian.net/171432/ |
| 22:24.24 | sabrina_ | any suggestions? |
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| 22:27.40 | shay_shay | sabrina_: try dpkg-reconfigure locale && dpkg-reconfigure libdbus-1-3:i386 |
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| 22:28.34 | shay_shay | i'm wondering if your problem is because locale is not configured right |
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| 22:30.12 | sabrina_ | shay_shay: i get this: https://paste.debian.net/171438/ |
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| 22:32.35 | sabrina_ | i'm adding the LANG=en_US.UTF-8 prefix to get the english output instead of spanish one |
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| 22:34.26 | badbodh | sabrina_, delete everything in /usr/lib/locale |
| 22:34.43 | badbodh | do 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' as root |
| 22:35.20 | badbodh | that should fix your locale problem, select language in gnome-control-center>region&lang |
| 22:35.29 | badbodh | log out/log in |
| 22:35.48 | sabrina_ | All locales? |
| 22:35.52 | badbodh | yup |
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| 22:36.14 | sabrina_ | badbodh: default locale for system? |
| 22:36.34 | dimitry7 | Hi there, would you prefer ext4 or XFS ? |
| 22:36.39 | badbodh | whatever your language is |
| 22:37.19 | sabrina_ | ok, processing |
| 22:37.38 | badbodh | after dpkg-reconfigure, i forgot a step do "locale-gen" |
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| 22:38.25 | badbodh | step1: delete, step2 reconfigure step3 locale-gen step4 select language in control panel |
| 22:38.43 | sabrina_ | locale-gen? after dpkg-reconfigure locales? |
| 22:38.43 | badbodh | log-out/in for effect |
| 22:38.47 | badbodh | yes |
| 22:38.59 | sabrina_ | ok |
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| 22:39.19 | sabrina_ | it's generating a bunch of locales right now... |
| 22:39.26 | sabrina_ | it keeps going... |
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| 22:40.04 | badbodh | if you think you need only 1 or 2 languages, you can run reconfigure again, spacebar to select/unselect a language |
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| 22:40.33 | badbodh | you prbably selected "all language" options at the top |
| 22:40.44 | sabrina_ | yeah |
| 22:41.20 | badbodh | why would you do that? jk. repeat all the steps, this time select only the languages you need |
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| 22:42.27 | badbodh | you use spacebar to select/unselect |
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| 22:42.47 | badbodh | (or is it de-select?) |
| 22:42.56 | sabrina_ | badbodh: it's working... it's kinda painfull because is a netbook... intel atom netbook... but nevermind |
| 22:43.17 | calisto | HI... any use a Huawei E3276 (4g) modem in debian, works fine? |
| 22:43.26 | badbodh | buy a magnifying lens, or a microscope :D |
| 22:44.54 | sabrina_ | it's somewhat slow |
| 22:44.59 | sabrina_ | but i'm used to it |
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| 22:49.22 | badbodh | sabrina_, do tell if that helps, i am a beginner so gotta learn |
| 22:50.25 | sabrina_ | badbodh: sure it helps, it ongoing generating through letter 'k'... |
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| 22:50.58 | at0m | almost halfway, or over, if it's got /lib ! |
| 22:51.19 | at0m | >< |
| 22:53.28 | badbodh | at0m, why you so excited. x-ray photon hit you? |
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| 22:54.37 | sabrina_ | 's' |
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| 22:55.02 | mrcirca | hello do you know someone for syslog server? |
| 22:55.11 | badbodh | sabrina_, hug your netbook for moral support |
| 22:55.55 | blackflow | badbodh: lol! |
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| 22:56.20 | blackflow | badbodh: @ the x-ray pun |
| 22:56.38 | badbodh | :P |
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| 22:57.20 | badbodh | mrcirca, please make your question more specific, or nobody cares |
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| 22:58.25 | mrcirca | badbodh: I have created lxcs and i want create a syslog server that logs home devices |
| 22:59.33 | mrcirca | log-server is a container! network is done. i dont know the configuration of syslog-server and client |
| 23:00.42 | badbodh | beyond my level of comprehension, but stick around someone might know |
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| 23:03.14 | sabrina_ | badbodh: i punch my netbook on time to time... no hugs |
| 23:03.44 | sabrina_ | it's done |
| 23:03.45 | Night-Shade | mrcirca: you'll need to enable syslog listening to the network |
| 23:04.40 | Night-Shade | assuming it's rsyslog add a config file to /etc/rsyslog.d that enables it |
| 23:04.43 | sabrina_ | badbodh: now what? |
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| 23:05.13 | sabrina_ | badbodh: i just did: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 23:05.30 | sabrina_ | you said something about locales-gen |
| 23:05.30 | badbodh | select language in control panel, log-out and log-in for effect |
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| 23:05.53 | sabrina_ | oh, ok |
| 23:06.09 | sabrina_ | 'll be back then |
| 23:06.15 | Night-Shade | this is an example of mine: http://pastebin.com/LQHkBb2g |
| 23:06.55 | Isai | Hi, is there a way to uninstall packages manually installed by the root user and not packages that came with the system? |
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| 23:07.35 | mrcirca | Night-Shade : i have done it |
| 23:07.44 | mrcirca | i have rsyslog |
| 23:08.04 | Night-Shade | Isai: It's complex, you can look in /var/log/apt and pick out the installations |
| 23:08.12 | pfred1 | I have done it here too |
| 23:08.17 | Night-Shade | I don't know of an automated tool |
| 23:08.19 | Isai | Thanks |
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| 23:08.49 | sabrina_ | i'm back |
| 23:09.05 | badbodh | synaptic has a filter 'manually installed' packages, not sure if that is what you looking for |
| 23:09.13 | pfred1 | I switched from the Nvidia binary driver to the Nouveau one. |
| 23:09.36 | Night-Shade | badbodh: how do packages installed during install show up thou? |
| 23:09.38 | badbodh | sabrina_, now your locales are all fixed. do that update/upgrade thingy you were trying |
| 23:09.49 | sabrina_ | badbodh: OK |
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| 23:10.43 | badbodh | Night-Shade, they don't. synaptic>status>Installed(manual) is all i got |
| 23:10.50 | shay_shay | badbodh: she still needs to reconfigure that package it was erroring on |
| 23:11.07 | sabrina_ | badbodh: https://paste.debian.net/171445/ |
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| 23:11.29 | pfred1 | this graphics driver is painful how does anyone live with it? |
| 23:11.32 | shay_shay | locales isnt installed |
| 23:12.07 | sabrina_ | shay_shay: yeah, so what package do i have to install now? |
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| 23:12.18 | shay_shay | sabrina_: install locales |
| 23:12.28 | badbodh | that's funny cuz she just did locale reconfigure and gen |
| 23:12.30 | shay_shay | thats the package name |
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| 23:12.44 | shay_shay | badbodh: she just got an error when she tried to reconfigure locales |
| 23:12.44 | badbodh | ^^yeah do that, apt-get install locales |
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| 23:12.53 | shay_shay | the error said its not installed |
| 23:14.08 | sabrina_ | https://paste.debian.net/171446/ |
| 23:14.10 | Night-Shade | Isai: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/12578/list-packages-by-installation-date might be worth lookin at |
| 23:14.54 | badbodh | sabrina_, hmm somethings broke, do apt-get install -f |
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| 23:16.03 | sabrina_ | here https://paste.debian.net/171447/ |
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| 23:18.07 | badbodh | first do 'dpkg --configure -a' and then 'apt-get install -f' |
| 23:18.12 | badbodh | sabrina_, ^^ |
| 23:18.25 | sabrina_ | badbodh: ok |
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| 23:19.43 | sabrina_ | well something just happened: https://paste.debian.net/171449/ |
| 23:20.00 | sabrina_ | will try install -f now |
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| 23:20.31 | shay_shay | that looks promising |
| 23:20.38 | badbodh | your 'dbus' and 'bluez' packages are giving some trouble |
| 23:21.24 | shay_shay | only bluez now |
| 23:21.34 | sabrina_ | badbodh: yeah, it throw me something different, here: https://paste.debian.net/171450/ |
| 23:21.44 | sabrina_ | i'll remove bluez whatsoever |
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| 23:22.18 | badbodh | ok do this : apt-get install --reinstall <package name> |
| 23:22.28 | badbodh | first 'dbus' then 'bluez' |
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| 23:22.40 | badbodh | then reboot |
| 23:22.46 | badbodh | sabrina_, ^^ |
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| 23:23.28 | sabrina_ | badbodh: shay_shay yeah, it worked now |
| 23:23.50 | sabrina_ | so i may keep this netbook instead throwing it on the garbage |
| 23:23.51 | sabrina_ | lol |
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| 23:23.56 | shay_shay | yay |
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| 23:24.39 | sabrina_ | <3 you guys |
| 23:24.41 | sabrina_ | thanks |
| 23:24.44 | sabrina_ | ;) |
| 23:24.47 | shay_shay | you can prolly reinstall bluez now |
| 23:24.51 | shay_shay | if you have bluetooth |
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| 23:25.16 | badbodh | praise the lord, it's a miracle |
| 23:25.41 | sabrina_ | bluetooth is broken all over with the wifi module of this thing i thing |
| 23:25.47 | sabrina_ | that's what the sevroce guy told me |
| 23:25.56 | sabrina_ | i use a usb wifi adapter now |
| 23:26.25 | sabrina_ | badbodh: shay_shay long live you guys, you were very helpful |
| 23:26.27 | badbodh | that explains why bluez wasn't working |
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| 23:27.22 | sabrina_ | bye |
| 23:27.56 | pedrohex | hi all, if someone can help i will be thankful. Im using jessie and my fglrx config is not permanent with lightdm only in session. is there any extra configuration ? |
| 23:28.13 | shay_shay | sayonara... |
| 23:28.17 | SuperNull | Hey guys which config management system do you use ? Puppet/chef/Salt .. other ? |
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| 23:32.39 | jhutchins | SuperNull: Ansible. It's the next gen. |
| 23:33.38 | jhutchins | pedrohex: Shouldn't need it in the DM. |
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| 23:34.34 | SuperNull | jhutchins what do you think seperates it from the others? |
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| 23:35.06 | jhutchins | SuperNull: Like I said, it's a new generation from chef, which was built on the mistakes of puppet. |
| 23:35.22 | pedrohex | jhutchins, cant find anything in /etc/lightdm configuration.. i believe this is a small bug in fglrx-config. cant find anything on web too :( |
| 23:35.23 | jhutchins | SuperNull: I like the fact that it doesn't require a client, and the organization and control are excellent. |
| 23:35.38 | SuperNull | clientless ? |
| 23:35.50 | SuperNull | hm. |
| 23:35.50 | jhutchins | pedrohex: You don't need it in the DM. Lightdm wouldn't have any reason to support it. |
| 23:36.34 | jhutchins | SuperNull: One of the problems with puppet, for instance, is that the clients all hit the server at the same time and tend to flood it, which makes them report failures. |
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| 23:37.09 | jhutchins | SuperNull: I also think if you need scheduled re-runs of central configuration you're solving the wrong problem. |
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| 23:37.23 | SuperNull | is ansible pay only ? |
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| 23:38.17 | pedrohex | jhutchins, yes but fglrx driver was installed and lightdm uses it. the configurations , for instance refresh rate and overscan, are not applied on login , just when session starts. sorry my english..i may not be explaining in the correct way. |
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| 23:38.41 | jhutchins | pedrohex: Is the dm usable? |
| 23:38.58 | pedrohex | yes |
| 23:39.11 | pedrohex | jhutchins, yes, requires password |
| 23:39.15 | jhutchins | So what's the problem? Does the DE not have the settings when it starts? |
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| 23:39.47 | pedrohex | jhutchins, yes, thats it. refresh rate is wrong and hurts looking to it .. |
| 23:40.06 | pedrohex | jhutchins, underscan is not importante but refresh rate is.. |
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| 23:41.14 | likecolacola | Hey.. could anyone point me towards the "right way" of installing steam on debian 3.16.7? |
| 23:41.20 | likecolacola | 64 bit |
| 23:41.25 | likecolacola | there's hundred of guides xD |
| 23:41.32 | likecolacola | each of them different hehe |
| 23:41.47 | likecolacola | and it's a semi production computer, don't want to mess around unless necessary |
| 23:42.47 | pedrohex | likecolacola, semi production :-) AH AH !! :P |
| 23:43.02 | badbodh | likecolacola, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZZYgz3NzcA |
| 23:43.04 | shay_shay | likecolacola: is steam not in the software archive? |
| 23:43.21 | shay_shay | ,v steam |
| 23:43.22 | judd | No package named 'steam' was found in amd64. |
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| 23:44.22 | shay_shay | its in non-free |
| 23:44.38 | shay_shay | guess Judd can't see non-free |
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| 23:47.19 | badbodh | probably needs to add 'non-free' to his sources list |
| 23:47.31 | likecolacola | thanks!!! |
| 23:47.34 | likecolacola | <3 |
| 23:47.43 | Remram | It seems that, every single boot, I need to "service docker restart" for it to work properly... is that a know problem? |
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| 23:47.58 | Remram | I installed lxc-docker from jessie-backports |
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