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| 00:04.12 | iWaldo | remram: thanks man |
| 00:04.50 | iWaldo | remram: i'm trying to decide how i should size my logical volumes for some virtual machines |
| 00:05.27 | iWaldo | if the lvs live on a static area of the disk as if they are regular partitions i think i'll add some extra space for wear leveling |
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| 00:07.07 | iWaldo | that'd be a nice feature come to think of it... giving an option to allow logical volumes to use any address on the disk that is free up to their limit |
| 00:07.32 | iWaldo | so that using lvm on an SSD won't cause undue wear to a small portion of the drive |
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| 01:14.07 | veritasemunah | what is the quickest way I can install a new clean debian OS? |
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| 01:18.02 | acu | veritasemunah, download the netinstall from debian.org - burn the iso in a cd - boot your computer and choose graphic install (you need internet access - as this is netinstall) and follow instructions - simple |
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| 01:18.33 | dvs | CD??? |
| 01:19.31 | rjsalts | veritasemunah: clone a btrfs sub-volume of a fresh install of debian you've already created? |
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| 01:20.19 | hblack | hi |
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| 01:23.35 | wh0isthis | hi |
| 01:23.37 | wh0isthis | apt-get install -f |
| 01:23.41 | wh0isthis | what is the command doing? |
| 01:23.47 | wh0isthis | do |
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| 01:25.35 | dvs | wh0isthis: fixes any problem packages for installation problems |
| 01:26.47 | uphroe | Ran into a bit of trouble upgrading to debian-jessie. After running apt-get dist-upgrade I get an error telling me that dpkg cannot set security execution context for maintainer script. (invalid argument). Anyone have a similar issue? |
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| 01:28.05 | wh0isthis | dvs i really do? |
| 01:28.16 | wh0isthis | because my packaes are messed up |
| 01:28.25 | wh0isthis | packages |
| 01:28.34 | zRecursive | Just finish installing 8.0 by debian-8.0.0-i386-netinst.iso :) |
| 01:31.12 | dvs | !prise zRecursive |
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| 01:33.00 | uphroe | I think all I have to do is manually upgrade dpkg but if I try apt-get install dpkg or aptitude upgrade dpkg I get dependency errors |
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| 01:38.12 | karlpinc | uphroe: Did you look at the upgrade instructions in the release notes and follow them? If not you might look to see if the release notes have a solution for you. |
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| 01:41.18 | uphroe | karlpinc: Thanks for mentioning the release notes, I double checked and it didnât seem to have anything specific to dpkg, aside from some files may have file conflicts and you can try to solve it by forcibly removing the package and forcing the depends, but do I really want to do that with something like dpkg? |
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| 01:43.38 | HotDamnCoder | that guy must be great |
| 01:43.52 | HotDamnCoder | savantgarde here's to you |
| 01:45.13 | HotDamnCoder | sooo.. I caught a derivative being developed on the derivative mailing list called stir the fucking pot lignux (actually no fucking im just excited) thoughts? |
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| 01:48.35 | HotDamnCoder | guess the fella or femfatella whoever it must be and surely hopefully more then one; is going for some freeplane and amazing misuse of resource changes to main and other off the bat infographics and then deriving it all into label |
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| 01:51.30 | HotDamnCoder | cool well been fun hope I 220 my ping and then someone 284's (heart) I'll even go for a 1184 ping looking for my 1210 ping on the way out although Quit: leaving looks cool too |
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| 01:53.13 | uphroe | dammit, iâm such a freaking moron. |
| 01:53.25 | uphroe | forgot I configured selinux on my box and dinât disable it for the upgrade :\ |
| 01:54.49 | NickyP | the debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso is installing jessie. When will it be updated to stretch? |
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| 01:56.21 | uphroe | wouldnât you know it, setenforce 0 solved my problem |
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| 02:05.17 | karlpinc | NickyP: Try asking #debian-next on irc.otfc.net. |
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| 02:05.49 | karlpinc | NickyP: Meanwhile, you can always install Jessie and upgrade. |
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| 02:17.34 | NickyP | karlpinc: just did that. |
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| 02:33.12 | mordocai | Hey guys. Does anyone know of any bugs in debian testing with open source radeon drivers, iceweasel, and html 5 video on youtube? The videos keep completely freezing up iceweasel (and only iceweasel). CPU looks fine, temps look fine. I cannot reproduce the issue with chromium. Googling hasn't shown anything yet. |
| 02:33.39 | mordocai | I am using experimental iceweasel, everything else is from testing though. |
| 02:34.20 | mordocai | ~1gig of memory usage out of 16 total. |
| 02:34.22 | dvs | mordocai: why are you using experimental iceweasel? |
| 02:35.26 | mordocai | dvs: I'm a web developer and testing iceweasel is behind by a year. |
| 02:35.35 | mordocai | Little under a year technically |
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| 02:35.50 | dvs | !tell mordocai about mdn |
| 02:36.00 | mordocai | Yep, that's where i'm getting it from |
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| 02:36.36 | somiaj | ,v iceweasel |
| 02:36.37 | judd | Package: iceweasel on amd64 -- squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 31.3.0esr-1~deb7u1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 31.6.0esr-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 31.6.0esr-1~deb7u1; sid: 31.6.0esr-1; stretch: 31.6.0esr-1; jessie: 31.6.0esr-1; experimental: 37.0.2-1 |
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| 02:37.56 | somiaj | how is that behind by a year, isn't 37.0.2 the current version? Or are you talking about the choice that debian uses the esr release which is still activally supported by mozilla? |
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| 02:38.17 | mordocai | Experimental is the version I am using and is pretty up to date. Testing is not. |
| 02:38.40 | somiaj | mordocai: testing is up to date. It just uses an esr version which gets support. |
| 02:38.53 | DrakkenWarr | experimental is not for the faint of heart or production though |
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| 02:39.12 | somiaj | mordocai: though the freeze just ended, you will see testing get updates with new versions as thing start to filter in though sid. |
| 02:39.42 | somiaj | mordocai: but if you really need the bleeding edge firefox and don't want to have to use pacakges built for sid (via experimential), you can run the statlinked firefox from $HOME just fine. |
| 02:40.43 | somiaj | mordocai: as for your issue, provided it really is html5, it could be something to do with the shared libaries it uses and you may find a static linked binary easier to test on. |
| 02:42.01 | somiaj | also looks like the next release, 38.0 will be the next esr and debian will switch to that version once it qualifies as an esr release and mozilla stops supporting 31.x.x |
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| 02:42.30 | mordocai | somiaj: Is that the first debugging step? Seems rather... medieval. I was mainly looking for help debugging, not a lecture for using experimental. |
| 02:42.32 | veritasemunah | i'm not sure what to download from here, http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/i386/iso-hybrid/ |
| 02:42.45 | mordocai | I assume there's some debug logging I can enable somewhere |
| 02:43.09 | veritasemunah | i assume i want to download the cinnamon-desktop.iso to get the latest debian |
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| 02:48.13 | somiaj | mordocai: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Debugging_Mozilla_with_gdb, looks like you can just use gdb, but mozilla suggests mach |
| 02:48.56 | somiaj | veritasemunah: those are various live images, any version 8 live image is the current version of debian. choose the desktop you want to use in the live enviorment. |
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| 02:49.15 | somiaj | veritasemunah: if you just want to install debian, I suggest getting an install image. But live images can both preview debian and then install. |
| 02:49.47 | veritasemunah | somiaj: i just want to install the latest release of debian, which link is the live image? |
| 02:50.15 | somiaj | veritasemunah: any one of those lives images would work, but you can just get the install images from cdimage.debian.org |
| 02:50.36 | mordocai | somiaj: Ah, awesome. That'll be my next step. I just found a system problem that may be the answer (hopefully). I have managed to fill up my / partition somehow. If firefox uses /tmp while streaming videos (and chromium doesn't) that may be the issue. |
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| 02:51.17 | somiaj | mordocai: and you are positive that it is an html5 video and not one that falls back to flash and you are having an issue with the flashplugin (which is really outdated for firefox/iceweasel) |
| 02:51.26 | veritasemunah | somiaj: i'm going to try the i386-cinnamon-desktop.iso, any idea what the "cinnamon" stand for? |
| 02:51.39 | somiaj | !cinnamon desktop |
| 02:51.49 | somiaj | veritasemunah: it is just a desktop (fork of gnome2 I think). |
| 02:51.55 | sydney_untangle | !cinnamon |
| 02:51.55 | dpkg | Cinnamon is a fork of <GNOME Shell> initially developed by the Linux Mint distribution. Packaged since Debian 8 "jessie". http://cinnamon.linuxmint.com/ |
| 02:52.21 | somiaj | veritasemunah: just like you could choose gnome, kde, lxde, xfce, cinnamon is another desktop...all there ya have it, it was originally built for mint but now available on debian. |
| 02:52.34 | somiaj | veritasemunah: but you can also get live images with other desktops on them. Pick the desktop you like |
| 02:52.35 | mordocai | somiaj: Yeah, I just did a locate (after updatedb) and no sign of flash. I also don't have flashplugin-nonfree installed and didn't install it manually. |
| 02:53.01 | veritasemunah | somiaj: which do you use? |
| 02:53.37 | somiaj | veritasemunah: I don't use any desktop. I use a simple windowmanager and then configure my own desktop manually. I would not suggest that to people who want gui tools to manage their desktop. |
| 02:53.48 | mordocai | Bleh, looks like I legitmately have a 5.7 gig /usr clogging up my root partition. Guess i'll have to go into single user mode and do some lvm work. |
| 02:54.11 | mordocai | Ooh, i bet i'll have to go to live disc. Sigh |
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| 03:00.24 | SpikeMaster | is there a way to make debian boot with the console. Bypassing any GUI stuff for login? I can't seem to get this to work. |
| 03:02.02 | cafuego | SpikeMaster: ctrl-alt-F1 |
| 03:02.23 | SpikeMaster | cafuego: do you remember the shortcut to get back to GUI? |
| 03:02.32 | SpikeMaster | before i press it.... |
| 03:02.38 | cafuego | p_quarles: ctrl-alt-F7 for the first X session |
| 03:02.41 | cafuego | SpikeMaster: even |
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| 03:02.44 | cafuego | p_quarles: sorry |
| 03:02.59 | sydney_untangle | You can have multiple X sessions? How/ |
| 03:03.00 | sydney_untangle | ? |
| 03:03.09 | cafuego | sydney_untangle: Just run multiple X servers |
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| 03:03.43 | sydney_untangle | Ive always opened a tty and run startx. |
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| 03:03.54 | sydney_untangle | Just? |
| 03:03.56 | SpikeMaster | cafuego: C-alt-F1 worked. However I'd like to have this behavior when the computer turns on. Bypasssing the gui login (which is extremely slow on my weak laptop) |
| 03:04.11 | cafuego | sydney_untangle: You can even run them as the same user, though I wouldn't recommend doing that when you run Gnome or KDE or somesuch giant desktop env. |
| 03:04.25 | cafuego | SpikeMaster: which gui do you have installed? |
| 03:04.43 | SpikeMaster | ratpoison, gnome, i3, and a few others i can choose from in teh GUI menu |
| 03:04.47 | cafuego | actually, i have to go |
| 03:04.52 | SpikeMaster | no prob |
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| 03:06.16 | lyonsb | SpikeMaster, debian minimal install? |
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| 03:06.38 | SpikeMaster | hmmm. i'll try that. |
| 03:06.44 | lyonsb | that might be unnecessary |
| 03:06.56 | lyonsb | in fact, that would prob. be . . . like chopping down the whole forest just to get one specific tree. |
| 03:07.15 | lyonsb | maybe it would be better to search for the grubline that will drop you at the terminal, something like sudo systemctl disable graphical.target ? |
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| 03:07.37 | SpikeMaster | pretty important tree. Even when i use the GUI it's ratpoison, a very very minimal thing. |
| 03:07.56 | lyonsb | Sure, and you can uninstall all of whatever else you don't want without having to re-install. |
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| 03:08.57 | SpikeMaster | i'm gonna re install. everything i need on this computer is backed up. |
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| 03:09.26 | SpikeMaster | minimal actually sounds like a good idea. I didnt' realize there was an option for that when i installed jessie. |
| 03:09.36 | lyonsb | I don't know if there is. |
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| 03:10.24 | SpikeMaster | gojnna install now |
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| 03:11.50 | lyonsb | bleurg, I just gave bad advice. |
| 03:11.53 | lyonsb | shouldn't have said anything. |
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| 03:18.46 | veritasemunah | i can't burn to cd because the iso image is to large! |
| 03:18.51 | veritasemunah | nooooooo |
| 03:19.00 | veritasemunah | is there a way I can put iso on a flash drive? |
| 03:19.05 | veritasemunah | i don't know |
| 03:19.16 | dvs | veritasemunah: yeeeeeeeeeesssssssssssssss |
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| 03:20.01 | dvs | veritasemunah: Do you currently have Linux or Windows working? |
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| 03:20.19 | veritasemunah | i am running debian linux right now, i'm on a really old version |
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| 03:20.40 | dvs | veritasemunah: You can use dd to write the iso to a flash drive. |
| 03:20.46 | pith0n | What is a piece of software I could use to broadcast a simple image using my cam, rather than my cam? |
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| 03:21.32 | veritasemunah | dvs: i only have on flash drive which is 32gb, i have other stuff i keep on it, is it fine to burn my iso to it and still have my other stuff on it? |
| 03:21.47 | dvs | veritasemunah: no |
| 03:21.49 | pith0n | veritasemunah: No. it'll wipe everything if you dd |
| 03:22.01 | veritasemunah | argg |
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| 03:24.42 | ryouma | is there a paint program in debian that i can use to draw on one page of a multi-page pdf? i haven't grokked gimp for this yet and want something much more straightforward. |
| 03:26.18 | veritasemunah | i found a 16gb flash drive, the dream is real boys, i won't sleep till i get a new debian installed |
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| 03:27.27 | lyonsb | ryouma, xournal |
| 03:27.50 | lyonsb | open xournal, file -> annotate pdf. |
| 03:27.57 | lyonsb | (you can export your changes as pdf too) |
| 03:28.03 | ryouma | lyonsb: can i use it to redact? sounds like it might work. |
| 03:28.24 | lyonsb | I don't redact, so I don't know. |
| 03:28.35 | lyonsb | I'm fairly sure you can use a black highlighter though |
| 03:28.41 | ryouma | i will try it, thanks. |
| 03:28.48 | lyonsb | that would probably work. Might need to make it extra drak to make sure it stays redacted, so to speak. |
| 03:28.57 | ryouma | drak? |
| 03:29.05 | ryouma | ah dark |
| 03:29.11 | ryouma | well, black is dark |
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| 03:32.12 | badbodh | xournal treats pdf page like an image file i think. your text won't be preserved. for pdf annotation you should install windows based pdf reader through wine |
| 03:32.13 | ryouma | lyonsb: why dark? doesn't any color work? i will use white. |
| 03:32.34 | ryouma | badbodh: this is a multi-page pdf of a fax |
| 03:32.50 | ryouma | i.e. i guess it is images |
| 03:33.06 | badbodh | okular annotates, but the annotation won't be on the file itself, so opening pdf on another computer won't show annotations |
| 03:33.15 | shay_shay | hi |
| 03:33.53 | badbodh | pdf annotation on linux is really "aaarghhhh" |
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| 03:34.44 | badbodh | hello shay_shay |
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| 03:36.25 | shay_shay | hello |
| 03:36.29 | veritasemunah | i am running a command similar to this to write the iso to my usb drive, "sudo dd if=mini.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=4M; sync", just saying because I have no idea what i'm doing, just following rando instructions on the web |
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| 03:37.24 | cnz | I am having issues with copying an .iso to a usb drive with dd, it keeps giving me input/output error, here's a screenshot corsair |
| 03:37.41 | cnz | I am having issues with copying an .iso to a usb drive with dd, it keeps giving me input/output error, here's a screenshot http://gyazo.com/3a097689de62c44d109e9b4898e70b7e |
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| 03:38.30 | veritasemunah | i don't know if my dd command is copying anything to my flash drive, it just sitting there and hasn't returned yet |
| 03:39.39 | shay_shay | veritasemunah: what command did you use? always specify bs= |
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| 03:39.58 | veritasemunah | sudo dd if=debian-live-8.0.0-i386-gnome-desktop.iso of=/dev/sdf bs=4M; sync |
| 03:41.17 | veritasemunah | it doesn't seem to be doing anything |
| 03:41.38 | shay_shay | veritasemunah: you can also use cp instead of dd |
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| 03:42.02 | shay_shay | cp debian-live-8.0.0-i386-gnome-desktop.iso /dev/sdf |
| 03:42.11 | themill | badbodh, ryouma: pdf annotations are pretty ugly at the best of times. xournal is great for some things but as noteed, it converts the text to images which might not be acceptable for your use |
| 03:42.28 | neonrooster | Hi, how do I make a Debian LiveUSB without overwriting /dev/sdc2 (partition 2 on the flash drive)? |
| 03:43.16 | neonrooster | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:43.32 | neonrooster | ...has all my backups and I can risk losing it |
| 03:43.41 | neonrooster | because if I lose it I just recopy |
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| 03:44.08 | shay_shay | veritasemunah: i guess if you want progress: rsync -ah --progress debian-live-8.0.0-i386-gnome-desktop.iso /dev/sdf |
| 03:44.32 | pith0n | How would I be able to broadcast a still image (jpg), or my desktop on cam, on debian? |
| 03:45.01 | veritasemunah | shay_shay: interestingly it just completed |
| 03:45.31 | veritasemunah | shay_shay: why is it that when i go to my flash drive, /media/KINGSTON i don't see the iso on it, i'm not sure what i'm looking for |
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| 03:46.11 | badbodh | neonrooster, https://goo.gl/5B8T1 |
| 03:46.18 | shay_shay | veritasemunah: you might have to unplug it and plug it back in to see the changes |
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| 03:47.44 | badbodh | neonrooster, https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#write-usb this one too |
| 03:48.00 | veritasemunah | shay_shay: great now my os doesn't see my flash drive when i plug it in |
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| 03:48.46 | shay_shay | veritasemunah: you'll see it in lsblk |
| 03:48.58 | shay_shay | thats a command^ |
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| 03:49.20 | veritasemunah | lsblk: command not found |
| 03:49.52 | neonrooster | badbodh, NO my Linux! Linux is gone for good as I can't start Debian Live from the USB! |
| 03:51.06 | badbodh | neonrooster, plz start your story from the beginning. i didn't get it ^^ |
| 03:51.10 | shay_shay | veritasemunah: what does this return: cat /etc/issue |
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| 03:52.14 | veritasemunah | Debian GNU/Linux 6.0 \n \l |
| 03:52.14 | neonrooster | badbodh, I installed NixOS instead of Debian on my desktop. I said this is trash, so I burned Debian Live 8.0 Standard to a CD-R to boot and install it, but it wouldn't boot. So I downloaded Debian 8.0 XFCE Live from the internet and stuck it on my flash drive. Now that won't boot |
| 03:52.42 | neonrooster | ok, so for the CD there's no UEFI boot option and for the USB there is not either |
| 03:52.46 | somiaj | neonrooster: how are you sticking it on your flash drive? |
| 03:52.57 | neonrooster | [root@travis-nixlaptop:/]# dd if=/home/travis/Documents/debian-live-8.0.0-amd64-xfce-desktop.iso of=/dev/sdc |
| 03:53.00 | neonrooster | that somiaj |
| 03:53.28 | shay_shay | veritasemunah: that explains why no lsblk |
| 03:53.39 | veritasemunah | shay_shay: haha, that's super funny |
| 03:53.49 | somiaj | neonrooster: I haven't checked jessie, but wheezy's live images didn't have uefi boot. Are you needing uefi? If so get an offical installer image (not a live image). |
| 03:53.56 | veritasemunah | shay_shay: i was thinking you were getting ready to tell me what the deal is lol |
| 03:53.58 | somiaj | neonrooster: you may have to use legacy boot for those images. |
| 03:54.05 | veritasemunah | shay_shay: one step at a time |
| 03:54.11 | neonrooster | somiaj, can you check? |
| 03:54.15 | themill | neonrooster: installing using the installer is probably better than using the live images |
| 03:54.22 | neonrooster | I'm angry already |
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| 03:55.00 | somiaj | neonrooster: I would just grab an offical installer if you need uefi boot. Those images are a bit better at being verstile. I don't have time to check, but last I knew the live images only used legacy boot. |
| 03:55.17 | somiaj | neonrooster: and if you want to use uefi boot, you need an installer that boots into efi mode. |
| 03:55.24 | shay_shay | veritasemunah: you might as well reboot into the installer, i bet it will just work |
| 03:55.42 | neonrooster | ok thnks |
| 03:55.44 | neonrooster | thanks |
| 03:55.58 | veritasemunah | shay_shay: there is nothing i need to change in my bios for it to see the iso on the flash drive? |
| 03:56.12 | somiaj | neonrooster: the unoffical firmware image is a good one to use if you have a decent network connenction but have a computer that may require non-free firmware for its network card. |
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| 03:56.20 | somiaj | !tell neonrooster about firmware images |
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| 03:56.42 | somiaj | neonrooster: this is a small image so you don't need to download another large image to install. |
| 03:56.45 | shay_shay | veritasemunah: in your bios you need to set the usb to come before the hdd, either that or know what key you need to press to get a boot menu |
| 03:57.00 | neonrooster | somiaj, well I don't need that |
| 03:57.03 | shay_shay | veritasemunah: usually the boot menu is the best option |
| 03:57.13 | pith0n | How would I be able to broadcast a still image (jpg), or my desktop on cam? |
| 03:57.42 | somiaj | neonrooster: then get an offical image from cdimage.debian.org. Again the netinstall image should be enough. But if you want to have a local copy of more packages, there is both a cd1 or dvd1 option. Pick the one that suits your needs. |
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| 03:59.16 | veritasemunah | ok wish me luck |
| 03:59.26 | shay_shay | veritasemunah: luck |
| 03:59.34 | ryouma | themill: lyonsb well, i quickly figured out how to redact in xournal, unlike gimp, and i was able to "save as" .pdf, but the resulting file is not readable by a pdf viewer. it saves to .xoj normally. so it gets high marks for figureoutability (what's the technical term for that?) but not for working. |
| 03:59.47 | veritasemunah | the debian jessie dream is real |
| 04:00.09 | neonrooster | somiaj, I decided on the unofficial Debian firmware netinst |
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| 04:00.45 | themill | ryouma: you export to pdf from xournal. The .xoj file is only for xournal |
| 04:01.06 | ryouma | ahahahaha, will try |
| 04:01.27 | neonrooster | ryouma, maybe it's saving a .xoj into a file with extension .pdf? |
| 04:01.34 | sebboh | I've not got a correct fstab. This laptop used to be a different linux, but I used debootstrap and then moved the chroot into /. How do I create my fstab from scratch? |
| 04:01.36 | ryouma | neonrooster: maybe |
| 04:01.37 | themill | it's just a bit of XML that contains the edits layer that sits on top of the pdf image |
| 04:02.21 | ryouma | themill: lyonsb, neonrooster problem solved |
| 04:02.28 | ryouma | thanks |
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| 04:03.23 | neonrooster | what software do you guys suggest I use to listen to music, watch videos, read programming books and do programming? |
| 04:03.26 | ryouma | now what do i do if i have a pdf that is /not/ just images? i.e. has text in there that is computer-readable? |
| 04:03.51 | neonrooster | I want the best software |
| 04:04.10 | sebboh | Also, I don't have a browser. I seem to recall that the output of some command can be cat'd straight to /etc/fstab, but I don't recall what it is. ...I've manually mounted the filesystems I need. |
| 04:04.13 | neonrooster | so erm...I hear KDE guys use Clementine to listen to music |
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| 04:04.44 | neonrooster | and I hear there's Banshee, quodlibet, and others |
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| 04:05.17 | themill | ryouma: there's nothing nice for that for any operating system. (the non-free foxit comes closest but the PDFs it generates can't easily be ready by many other programs including acroread) |
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| 04:08.05 | neonrooster | somiaj, I'm angry cause I did this and still no UEFI: # dd if=/home/travis/Downloads/firmware-8.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso of=/dev/sdc |
| 04:08.37 | neonrooster | please tell me there's a Linux that will work |
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| 04:08.57 | somiaj | neonrooster: that debian image should support uefi boot, did you disable secure boot? |
| 04:09.30 | neonrooster | somiaj, OH |
| 04:09.44 | somiaj | neonrooster: both my installs (since wheezy) have been using efi boot, so it is supported. You just need to use the installer image. So the only thing I can think of is you have secure boot enabled. And you need to disable that. |
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| 04:10.27 | themill | and to not have disabled uefi in favour of a legacy/bios mode of booting |
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| 04:10.43 | neonrooster | somiaj, Secure Boot state: Disabled |
| 04:11.03 | neonrooster | is my BIOS just buggy and needs to be run over with a drill into the ROM chip? |
| 04:11.20 | neonrooster | I tell you Gigabyte firmware sucks |
| 04:11.32 | neonrooster | there's no EFI boot option name and path set |
| 04:11.57 | neonrooster | I mean, no option to change the EFI bootloader entries |
| 04:12.22 | neonrooster | e.g. Windows Boot Manager , Linux Boot Manager, grub |
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| 04:12.56 | somiaj | neonrooster: you have legacy boot disabled? When I did the install on my uefi machiens, I just hit f12 (or whatever button your biso uses) to bring up the boot options menu, and the debian image was there. |
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| 04:13.18 | somiaj | (actually on my system it was there twice, one was to boot efi and one was to boot legacy, since I had legacy enabled) |
| 04:13.55 | somiaj | this was with the wheezy images too, jessie is supose to have improved efi support. I have not tried the images sicne I dno't install debian all that often (only when I get a new machine) |
| 04:14.12 | mordocai | Alright, so far so good on playing HTML5 videos after fixing my disk space issue. Looks like iceweasel was maxing out /tmp and then stuttering. Interesting thing is chromium didn't do that so I guess their tmp dir is in my home or something? Also, 380mb /tmp created by installer when "LVM with seperate var, home tmp" chosen seems a bit low. Easy to fix though, so whatever. |
| 04:14.56 | somiaj | mordocai: iceweasel uses /tmp, that is silly. Wonder if that is configurable. I rember flash used /tmp and I would not be able to play large streams unless I umounted my tmpfs at /tmp...:/ |
| 04:15.17 | neonrooster | somiaj, ok, so it says no UEFI boot option and apparently Secure Boot is Disabled |
| 04:15.28 | mordocai | somiaj: Yeah, did watch df -h so looks like it definitely uses /tmp |
| 04:16.07 | mordocai | somiaj: Maxed out at 500mb usage for this video |
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| 04:16.43 | somiaj | mordocai: look at 'about:cache' and it seems you can change the setting of this location at http://askubuntu.com/questions/37267/how-can-i-access-flash-files-from-streaming-websites |
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| 04:17.05 | somiaj | mordocai: someone did say that this was changed, but maybe you just have an old config in $HOME for iceweasel so it is still using older defaults. |
| 04:17.10 | neonrooster | somiaj, I am dead sure its my BIOS |
| 04:17.24 | neonrooster | let me try my laptop |
| 04:17.25 | somiaj | neonrooster: yea I can't say much more than it should work. :/ |
| 04:17.39 | mordocai | somiaj: Interestingly that shows a directory in my home. Investigating |
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| 04:17.45 | neonrooster | somiaj, well what do I do? I gotta get it fixed |
| 04:18.07 | neonrooster | I only have two computers and one is a slow Celeron laptop since I broke my other laptop |
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| 04:18.44 | neonrooster | I think if I reformatted the hard drive somehow it'd work |
| 04:18.50 | neonrooster | I think it's just a buggy BIOS |
| 04:18.59 | somiaj | neonrooster: no clue. If it isn't giving you an efi boot option I don't know what the issue is. I would check on your laptop for your own sanity, this way you know the image is good. Not sure if your bios needs some special thing done to it. My experience was once I switched from the debian live images to the offical installer in wheezy, it worked. |
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| 04:19.34 | somiaj | neonrooster: it shouldn't have anything to do with your harddrive. Though maybe you need to go though and explicity point the efi booter at the efi partition on the install image. |
| 04:19.40 | shay_shay | somiaj: yeah the wheezy livecds didnt have uefi afaik |
| 04:19.56 | shay_shay | but the netinstaller absolutely did |
| 04:19.58 | somiaj | shay_shay: they didn't, I don't know if they added it in jessie, but I'm going with the assumption they don't. |
| 04:20.33 | somiaj | shay_shay: which is why I pointed neonrooster at the netinstall image. I don't think it being the firmare image is an issue despite we call it 'unoffical' |
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| 04:20.40 | mordocai | somiaj: So, this is apparently the file that was/is using /tmp. http://paste.debian.net/171483/ |
| 04:20.56 | mordocai | It matches the use space in /tmp |
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| 04:21.18 | somiaj | mordocai: check that link from the ubuntu forms I gave you, maybe you can track down your config of why it does that. |
| 04:21.34 | shay_shay | somiaj: i'll download a live system right now and i'll tell you if it has uefi boot |
| 04:21.38 | somiaj | mordocai: another option, create a new config from nothing (maybe even testing a new/blank user). Could be some legacy config you have floating around. |
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| 04:22.05 | somiaj | mordocai: but the fact it doesn't agree with what you see in 'about:cache', maybe you did find a bug. |
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| 04:22.43 | mordocai | somiaj: Yeah, i'm unsure. Most of the cache files are living in my home directory there's just the one 500MB one that appears to be related to videos (due to showing up after I started playing a video) |
| 04:23.23 | somiaj | mordocai: yea vidoes like to 'hide' themselves, but it shoudlnt' be defaulting to /tmp to put them in, since many may be using /tmp as a tmpfs, it shoudln't be storing 500meg + video streams. |
| 04:23.53 | somiaj | mordocai: I know firefox use to, but I read this was changed in researching your issue. |
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| 04:25.36 | mordocai | somiaj: I'm going to rest on it for the moment since it is working now that I enlarged tmp. I think i'll try your fresh user idea first tomorrow/this weekend. |
| 04:25.45 | shay_shay | somiaj: what i want to know is does netinstall give people plymouth by default? because it seems some people are getting it... i saw it when i booted the live system so i'm wondering if the installs done by the live system just inherit it somehow. I installed with d-i rc1 and I dont have that |
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| 04:27.01 | somiaj | shay_shay: don't know, I have been meaning to testing the installer out in vms. It might give it on default if you choose an encrypted file system, and not otherwise. Not sure though, I dont' use either. |
| 04:27.13 | somiaj | shay_shay: I don't even use lvm, just another layer I don't want to deal with. |
| 04:28.47 | shay_shay | somiaj: i feel the same way about the "do one thing and do it well" layered approach of lvm... thats why I use btrfs, monolithic and everything works together as a whole :P |
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| 04:30.06 | somiaj | shay_shay: I think I just have very simple needs. I go with ext? file systems on a gpt or mbr partition table. They have the best support under the linux kernel, and hd space is cheap enough for me I don't need to worry about putting an extra 10-15 gigs in / so I don't have to resize things. |
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| 04:31.11 | shay_shay | ext4 is certainly the wisest choice for stability, i guess i just like shiny things |
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| 04:35.40 | mordocai | somiaj: Haven't cleared config/tried a new user but just tried firefox from their website and it shows identical behavior |
| 04:35.54 | mordocai | somiaj: So doesn't look iceweasel specific unless it is some kind of config thing. |
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| 04:41.52 | neonrooster | OK now I want to be clear because now I'm installing Windows and I want my Linux back....so err, which partition do I copy the Debian installer to? |
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| 04:43.29 | neonrooster | is this good? # dd if=firmware-8.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso of=/dev/sdb |
| 04:43.49 | neonrooster | I'm just tizzed not even my laptop is showing the UEFI boot menu entry so something is wrong |
| 04:44.00 | neonrooster | and I don't think it's the Gigabyte firmware |
| 04:44.04 | neonrooster | somiaj, are you there? |
| 04:44.35 | somiaj | neonrooster: it should work. I prefer cp image.iso /dev/sdb myself. |
| 04:44.56 | neonrooster | I'm just angry it won't work last time I tried it |
| 04:45.09 | neonrooster | got any pointers why it wouldn't work on a new Dell laptop? |
| 04:45.10 | somiaj | neonrooster: the only thing I can suggest is don't use the firmawre image. but I would be very surprised if the firmware image didn't support efi. |
| 04:45.24 | neonrooster | Dell's firmware is very good |
| 04:45.38 | somiaj | neonrooster: no clue, it should work. I have no idea what the problem could be. |
| 04:46.14 | neonrooster | ok, sec. rebooting my dell laptop to check to see if it'll work, and, if it does work, installing Debian on the laptop |
| 04:46.20 | neonrooster | ok somiaj ? |
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| 04:46.39 | shay_shay | neonrooster: on your bios's boot menu do you see the thumb drive listed twice? |
| 04:46.45 | neonrooster | shay_shay, no sir |
| 04:46.55 | neonrooster | just once as Legacy |
| 04:47.09 | neonrooster | when I try that isolinux doesn't load |
| 04:47.21 | shay_shay | neonrooster: you might have legacy enabled in bios, some bios dont have legacy+uefi support at the same time |
| 04:47.36 | shay_shay | sometimes its either one or the other |
| 04:48.00 | somiaj | neonrooster: you seem to be doing everything correct. I'm no expert (just a hobbist) and at this point I can't be of much more help. |
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| 04:48.07 | neonrooster | ok, thanks |
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| 04:48.37 | neonrooster | but as an aside, what software do I use to listen to music with? |
| 04:48.52 | shay_shay | i use my browser |
| 04:48.53 | somiaj | neonrooster: vlc is a very popular player for music and video. But there are lots of choices |
| 04:48.53 | shay_shay | :D |
| 04:49.02 | neonrooster | ok thanks |
| 04:49.26 | somiaj | neonrooster: I like debian because it usually provides you lots of choices. I still use mplayer despite it hasn't been active in development for a while. |
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| 04:49.49 | somiaj | actully I think i use mpg321 and ogg321 these days. |
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| 04:54.26 | shay_shay | somiaj: i just booted the live system, no uefi support |
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| 04:54.53 | shay_shay | i know my bios boot menu like the back of my hand |
| 04:54.59 | shay_shay | theres no way i could have missed it |
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| 04:55.04 | swift110-phone | Hey guys |
| 04:55.12 | shay_shay | hai |
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| 04:55.38 | somiaj | shay_shay: yea i'm not surprised. the debian installer iso are really complicated. They support mbr, efi, usb, cd boot. |
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| 04:58.11 | Voyage | How to add a user in a new group. have to create group first? |
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| 05:00.16 | somiaj | Voyage: if the group doesn't exist, yes. If the group exist 'adduser username group' |
| 05:00.53 | somiaj | Voyage: there is also addgroup (note these are both beter to use than useradd which won't auotmate a lot of the things you may want) |
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| 05:03.23 | Voyage | somiaj, I think you said other way around. useradd has more options. no? |
| 05:03.24 | mordocai | somiaj: reproduced on fresh user so I'm calling it a bug unless they for some reason purposely changed back to this behavior. |
| 05:03.45 | mordocai | somiaj: In any case, may want to watch out if you feel like watching a video in firefox/iceweasel 37 |
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| 05:08.26 | Voyage | How to create a user and at the time of creating it, assign him a primariy group? |
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| 05:12.24 | emunah | shay_shay I did it, I am the new version of debian, jessie, my keystroke response is extremely slow and my mouse movement is very slow |
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| 05:14.14 | shay_shay | em |
| 05:14.31 | emunah | keyboard and mouse is very slow |
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| 05:15.28 | emunah | debian jessie sucks, i turned up the mouse speed in the mouse gui and it is still awful |
| 05:15.56 | shay_shay | emunah: you mean its laggy or its just not sensitive enough? |
| 05:16.19 | shay_shay | my keyboard and mouse work fine, you are jumping to conclusions |
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| 05:16.44 | themill | because telling the people who have worked on it for two years that it sucks is the ultimate way of asking them to help you |
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| 05:16.59 | emunah | shay_shay: i can't tell if its laggy or not responding, if i type fast it can't keep up |
| 05:18.12 | emunah | instead of sayin it sucks i will instead say lenny was a better experience |
| 05:18.21 | shay_shay | emunah: maybe graphics driver issue, try switching to a vt and see if its responsive Ctrl+alt+f1 (Ctrl+alt+f7 when you want to get back to x11) |
| 05:18.27 | shay_shay | em |
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| 05:19.21 | swift110-phone | Ok |
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| 05:20.16 | emunah | when i go into vt it is still slow to respond to typing |
| 05:20.23 | oreo | Hello. Even though the memory subsys of cgroups should be enabled (confirmed by /var/log/messages and lxc-chkconfig), there is no /sys/fs/cgroup/memory. I am using Jessie. |
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| 05:37.49 | oreo | Hello. Even though the memory subsys of cgroups should be enabled (confirmed by /var/log/messages and lxc-chkconfig), there is no /sys/fs/cgroup/memory. I am using Jessie. |
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| 05:38.18 | mordocai | somiaj: So, per irc.mozilla.org it has been in /tmp ever since the media cache was implemented "a few versions ago" |
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| 05:40.18 | somiaj | Voyage: useradd has more control and is lower level, but it won't do things for you automatically (like create a users $HOME) |
| 05:40.56 | somiaj | Voyage: man adduser (you can tell the primary group there). If you really need to you can use useradd, but you will have to put extra stuff in there for a standard system user. |
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| 05:41.32 | somiaj | mordocai: yea they seem fickle, first flash put things there then they put it in $HOME, now back to /tmp....It really isn't a policy violation, but still is a bad place to put things since /tmp may only be a small tmpfs mount. |
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| 05:42.13 | somiaj | mordocai: then they do some trick where they put the file there, then delete its existance from the file system database (But still have it open as a stream) |
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| 05:42.25 | mordocai | somiaj: Yeah, that's an old trick. |
| 05:43.19 | somiaj | Voyage: check the permissions of sshd_config, it could be that password logins are disabled. You can change that. You can also create your own key for each user and give them their copy of the key so they can login. |
| 05:43.22 | mordocai | Doesn't sound like the person i'm talking to cares in any case. Though, they could just be not talkative |
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| 05:45.03 | somiaj | mordocai: most likely most don't even notice. But if for some reason you have a system with limited space in /tmp it is a pain. It should at least be configuable |
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| 05:45.44 | mordocai | somiaj: Currently the only media.cache settings appear to be size related |
| 05:46.01 | mordocai | somiaj: That's what they are calling it by the way |
| 05:46.35 | somiaj | years and years ago, firefox kept giving me issues (this was before debian swithed to iceweasel) and I moved to chromium, beem happy with it ever sense. |
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| 05:46.52 | mordocai | I'm asking about it being configurable |
| 05:46.56 | somiaj | though all browsers are getting ugly, they are trying to rebuild the whole os it seems. |
| 05:46.57 | Voyage | somiaj, found it . thx PasswordAuthentication no |
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| 05:49.07 | AlexLikeRock | add REPORT BUG Bug#784305: linux-image-3.16.0-4-686-pae: frozen Screen kernel 3.16 with video[NVIDIA Corporation C61 [GeForce 7025 / nForce 630a]] |
| 05:49.23 | AlexLikeRock | whit this problem http://picpaste.com/Linux-Kernel-3.16-frozen-with-nVidia-and-nouveau-dfA11y7o.jpg |
| 05:49.44 | AlexLikeRock | if any can help me :) |
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| 05:54.05 | shay_shay | AlexLikeRock: i'm curious, what card ? |
| 05:54.30 | shay_shay | oh nvm |
| 05:55.40 | mordocai | For the cause of having a configurable media cache: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1161417. |
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| 05:58.07 | mordocai | The irc guy asked me to file it, so I feel relatively good about it happening. |
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| 06:00.53 | kyfho | how do I set apache2 to not start on boot? |
| 06:00.57 | kyfho | debian 8 amd64 |
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| 06:01.03 | kyfho | upgraded from 7.8 |
| 06:01.25 | kyfho | I see apache2 in /etc/rc3.d and /etc/init.d |
| 06:01.43 | kyfho | I am relatively new to debian |
| 06:01.48 | kyfho | on redhat Id use chkconfig |
| 06:02.04 | AlexLikeRock | kyfho, its in /etc/rc2.d |
| 06:02.05 | kyfho | or at most manuall delete or modify a Sblah in rc3.d |
| 06:02.22 | jerichowasahoax | kyfho: what init system? |
| 06:02.31 | kyfho | so whats the like right way to disable apache2 start on boot? |
| 06:02.37 | kyfho | hmm |
| 06:02.48 | kyfho | well I had 7.8 and just upgraded to 8 |
| 06:02.50 | kyfho | hmm |
| 06:03.04 | kyfho | so there is systemd now.. |
| 06:03.12 | mordocai | Yeah, it is probably using systemd |
| 06:03.15 | jerichowasahoax | kyfho: i don't know if Debian's migrated to using systemd as a default yet, but you might try "systemctl disable apache2" |
| 06:03.21 | jerichowasahoax | or at least I think that's the command |
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| 06:03.53 | jerichowasahoax | i can't say for 100% certainty because my Debian system runs OpenRC but if it's systemd the command you want definitely ends in "ctl" |
| 06:04.06 | mordocai | kyfho: Yeah, assuming you are on systemd now (probably are) systemctl is your command when talking about services. |
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| 06:05.35 | kyfho | ok |
| 06:05.45 | kyfho | I ran that and it seemed to work |
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| 06:05.51 | kyfho | but 80 was still listening |
| 06:05.59 | kyfho | service apache2 stop stopped the 80 |
| 06:06.26 | mordocai | kyfho: Yeah, you can use systemctl for that too. Systemctl disable should stop it from starting at startup, but not immediately stop it. |
| 06:06.28 | jerichowasahoax | kyfho: disable stops it on boot, stop stops the running instance |
| 06:06.29 | AlexLikeRock | do you want see from out side? |
| 06:06.30 | mordocai | AFIK |
| 06:06.36 | mordocai | AFAIK* |
| 06:07.52 | kyfho | http://pastebin.com/dgGtcrFq |
| 06:08.08 | kyfho | ok cool |
| 06:08.13 | kyfho | debian is nice |
| 06:08.19 | mordocai | I think so too :P |
| 06:08.22 | kyfho | I used to use archlinux freebsd openbsd |
| 06:08.32 | kyfho | netbsd kinda broke and wouldnt install on my amd64 |
| 06:08.34 | kyfho | weirdly |
| 06:08.49 | kyfho | archlinux is a buger to install these days |
| 06:09.05 | kyfho | freebsd is cool until you wana try pharo smalltalk or anything exoitk |
| 06:09.20 | kyfho | openbsd cant write to ntfs usb drive |
| 06:09.30 | kyfho | dragonflybsd seems interesting |
| 06:09.38 | kyfho | netbsd I always found kinda cool |
| 06:09.44 | kyfho | openbsd 5.7 out |
| 06:09.52 | kyfho | apparently supporting many usb3 |
| 06:10.06 | kyfho | I have a usb3 addon card to my amd64 desktop |
| 06:10.08 | kyfho | and |
| 06:10.14 | jerichowasahoax | never liked Arch |
| 06:10.18 | kyfho | I wonder if it wont work because of the mb |
| 06:10.30 | kyfho | freebsd didnt support it |
| 06:10.35 | kyfho | for some reason |
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| 06:10.42 | kyfho | maybe a cheap usb3 card |
| 06:10.52 | mordocai | Yeah, linux definitely wins on the hardware support side |
| 06:11.26 | jerichowasahoax | I imagine *BSD and Linux are the same in that drivers all come from the community |
| 06:11.36 | jerichowasahoax | and since more people have heard of Linux than BSD, it makes sense that more drivers would exist |
| 06:11.58 | mordocai | Well, most. Occasionally a company (like intel) will write some drivers. Though I suppose they could then be considered part of the community. |
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| 06:12.53 | kyfho | http://pastebin.com/x24vQu1K |
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| 06:13.37 | kyfho | there is my lsusb |
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| 06:13.45 | kyfho | I wonder if usb3 will work with debian |
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| 06:24.10 | darxmurf | hi all |
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| 06:24.27 | AlexLikeRock | hi |
| 06:24.32 | AlexLikeRock | welcome |
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| 06:27.17 | HiDeHo | Hi all wondering if anyone would know if debian-arm can run 32 or 64 bit apps |
| 06:27.30 | AlexLikeRock | of course |
| 06:27.42 | AlexLikeRock | Grrr |
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| 06:27.43 | AlexLikeRock | sorri |
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| 06:28.07 | valdyn | !arm64 |
| 06:28.47 | HiDeHo | AlexLikeRock, i am on an arm os |
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| 06:28.56 | HiDeHo | i want to run 32 or 64 bit apps |
| 06:29.22 | HiDeHo | there is no such os as arm64 |
| 06:29.46 | HiDeHo | its either 3 or 64 bit/ or arm |
| 06:29.53 | AlexLikeRock | HiDeHo, read https://wiki.debian.org/Arm64Port |
| 06:30.29 | HiDeHo | no not that |
| 06:30.37 | HiDeHo | i dont have a 46-bit arm chip |
| 06:30.42 | HiDeHo | i have an arm chip |
| 06:31.38 | HiDeHo | generally in linux i need wine to run some windows apps |
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| 06:31.58 | HiDeHo | wgat do i need to run 32 or 64 bit apps on my standard debian arm os |
| 06:32.38 | valdyn | !confuse HiDeHo |
| 06:32.39 | dpkg | No, who was our badger today, HiDeHo? Pants of the Republic of Micronesia with extra anchovies. |
| 06:32.45 | HiDeHo | guess you guys dont really know or understgand my question |
| 06:32.53 | AlexLikeRock | HiDeHo, if you have DEBIAN 64 bit , you can run apps 32 & 64 bit |
| 06:33.15 | HiDeHo | AlexLikeRock, sigh |
| 06:33.23 | AlexLikeRock | but , if you have DEBIAN 32 bit , you can NOT run apps 64 bit. ONLY 32 BIT |
| 06:33.26 | HiDeHo | you guys dont read i have a debian arm baised os |
| 06:33.33 | HiDeHo | standard |
| 06:33.45 | HiDeHo | alex listen |
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| 06:33.58 | HiDeHo | there is a way to run 32 bit apps on 64 bit linux |
| 06:34.10 | HiDeHo | but io dont have 64bit or 32 bit linux |
| 06:34.16 | HiDeHo | i have debian-arm |
| 06:34.25 | valdyn | HiDeHo: you are totally confusing this |
| 06:34.32 | valdyn | HiDeHo: even arm has register width |
| 06:34.41 | HiDeHo | its ok if you are confused as to what i am wanting |
| 06:34.45 | valdyn | HiDeHo: so you are either using 32-bit arm or 64-bit arm |
| 06:34.56 | shay_shay | HiDeHo: there is a way |
| 06:35.06 | HiDeHo | hold on |
| 06:35.10 | shay_shay | qemu chroot |
| 06:35.10 | valdyn | HiDeHo: and of course you can not just run intel 32-bit or intel 64-bit code |
| 06:35.39 | valdyn | HiDeHo: and forget about qemu, because on arm thats going to be so slow that it practically is not running |
| 06:36.03 | HiDeHo | there si no skype for arm os |
| 06:36.17 | valdyn | HiDeHo: stop saying arm os |
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| 06:36.32 | HiDeHo | i want to run standard 32 bit or 64 bit sklype for linux on my arm os |
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| 06:36.35 | valdyn | HiDeHo: because thats not debian. Arm OS still exists though |
| 06:36.41 | valdyn | HiDeHo: you cant. |
| 06:36.44 | HiDeHo | is that possable |
| 06:36.50 | valdyn | HiDeHo: no |
| 06:36.50 | AlexLikeRock | HiDeHo, skype = www.ekiga.org |
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| 06:38.22 | HiDeHo | AlexLikeRock, um think about it if i use that all my skype contact would have to convert |
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| 06:39.03 | shay_shay | HiDeHo: you need qemu-x86_64-static , make a chroot and copy it to /usr/bin in the chroot https://packages.debian.org/jessie/qemu-user-static |
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| 06:40.49 | HiDeHo | shay_shay, qemu is that similar to vbox |
| 06:40.55 | HiDeHo | it looks like it is |
| 06:41.10 | shay_shay | no |
| 06:41.18 | shay_shay | a chroot |
| 06:41.25 | HiDeHo | chroot??? |
| 06:41.25 | shay_shay | its similar to a chroot |
| 06:41.34 | shay_shay | because it is |
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| 06:41.57 | HiDeHo | I actually have qemu installed adn aqemu gui it looks and feels like vbox |
| 06:42.08 | shay_shay | yeah but that's not what this is |
| 06:42.13 | HiDeHo | same features etc |
| 06:42.25 | shay_shay | o!g |
| 06:42.27 | shay_shay | omg |
| 06:42.30 | HiDeHo | aqemu is a gui for qemu |
| 06:42.46 | shay_shay | you wouldnt know the solution if it hit you in the face |
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| 06:43.08 | HiDeHo | not at all i am just asking questions to broaden my understand |
| 06:43.16 | HiDeHo | that is all |
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| 06:43.24 | HiDeHo | it si ok to ask questions. |
| 06:43.34 | HiDeHo | i installed qemu and forgot about it lol |
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| 06:43.44 | HiDeHo | its ok i wikll work it out from here thanks |
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| 06:46.08 | michaelis | Hi. My computer has been suspended for a day and afte turning it on again the network doesn't work. Eth0 has vanished. I'm running Jessie. Any ideas? |
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| 06:46.39 | AlexLikeRock | reboot michaelis |
| 06:46.41 | michaelis | I have tried to systemctl restart networking.service but nothing happens. |
| 06:46.53 | AlexLikeRock | OR restart the service |
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| 06:47.17 | michaelis | Which service? networking.service? Done that. |
| 06:47.26 | AlexLikeRock | try systemctl restart network-manager.service |
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| 06:48.00 | michaelis | AlexLikeRock: Nothing happens. |
| 06:48.15 | AlexLikeRock | reboot the machine ;-) |
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| 06:48.20 | michaelis | Is this a well known problem? |
| 06:48.31 | AlexLikeRock | yes |
| 06:48.47 | michaelis | Too bad then. |
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| 06:49.21 | michaelis | I will reboot. Thank you for your help. |
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| 06:52.59 | michaelis | It worked. At least rebooting is fast. I guess the systemd antagonists will have one more argument against it. |
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| 06:53.47 | AlexLikeRock | (y) |
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| 06:55.53 | somiaj | michaelis: sounds like a driver issue. Some modules dont' like suspend/resume. |
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| 06:56.13 | AlexLikeRock | hi somiaj |
| 06:56.16 | AlexLikeRock | o/ |
| 06:56.29 | somiaj | michaelis: you can probabaly just unload (modprobe -r modulename) and reload (modprobe modulename) to get it back. If this works there should be a file you can put the module name in so pm-utils removes it before suspsend and brings it back after suspend. |
| 06:56.34 | AlexLikeRock | i need help |
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| 06:56.46 | AlexLikeRock | localhost can not conect |
| 06:56.56 | somiaj | AlexLikeRock: give more details. |
| 06:57.15 | michaelis | somiaj: I understand. But I have no idea of which module it could be. |
| 06:57.52 | somiaj | michaelis: what is your network card? |
| 06:58.00 | AlexLikeRock | somiaj, this afect ? |
| 06:58.00 | AlexLikeRock | http://paste.debian.net/171502/ |
| 06:58.19 | AlexLikeRock | iceweasel : The connection has timed out |
| 06:58.29 | AlexLikeRock | http://localhost/ |
| 06:59.04 | somiaj | AlexLikeRock: line 11, doens't that say to just DROP all outgoing requests to localhost. I'm not surprsised. |
| 06:59.13 | michaelis | somiaj: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 |
| 06:59.28 | AlexLikeRock | LOL |
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| 06:59.36 | AlexLikeRock | tanks somiaj |
| 07:00.03 | somiaj | michaelis: lsmod | grep rt (do you get anything retured)? |
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| 07:00.45 | michaelis | somiaj: iTCO_vendor_support 12649 1 iTCO_wdt |
| 07:01.21 | somiaj | michaelis: I think this is the module, r8169. 'dmesg | grep r8169' do you get any output. |
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| 07:02.40 | michaelis | somiaj: Some 15 rows. A couple of failed load firmware. |
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| 07:03.06 | somiaj | michaelis: you should install the firmawre, but run this command. 'modprobe r8169' |
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| 07:04.38 | michaelis | somiaj: I run your command and installed firmware-realtek. |
| 07:04.51 | michaelis | s/run/ran? |
| 07:05.09 | somiaj | michaelis: should ahve done it in the other order. But now, /sbin/ifconfig -a, does eth0 show up again? |
| 07:05.25 | somiaj | michaelis: if not, 'modprobe -r r8169' then 'modprobe r8169' |
| 07:05.48 | michaelis | somiaj: Eth0 shows. |
| 07:06.33 | michaelis | somiaj: Am I done for now? |
| 07:07.12 | somiaj | michaelis: that should fix it, might need to restart network-manager again so it sees the card is now loaded |
| 07:07.33 | michaelis | somiaj: I'll do that. |
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| 07:09.48 | somiaj | michaelis: if suspending causes issues with your network card, 'echo SUSPEND_MODULES="r8169" >> /etc/pm/config.d/modules' should do the trick so it unloads and reloads that module before and after each supsend. |
| 07:09.55 | michaelis | somiaj: I restarted NetworkManager.service and it works. But in the upper right corner three dots are showing instead of the RJ45 contact. |
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| 07:10.50 | somiaj | michaelis: unplug and replug back in the eth cord? |
| 07:11.23 | somiaj | again I think not having the firmware was causing you issues. Might work better once you have the firmware. Also if you installed the firmware after you loaded the module, unload and reload the module to make sure the firmware is loaded. |
| 07:11.41 | michaelis | somiaj: Doesn't help. But I'm connected. |
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| 07:15.08 | synack- | hi. i have an apache server running a single site. there are 2 DNS records ('A') pointing to it: old.mysite.com and new.mysite.com. when i visit the IP of the server in the browser, i get directed to old.mysite.com. I want to change this so that I'm directed to new.mysite.com |
| 07:15.18 | synack- | also, when i visit new.mysite.com, i get redirected to old.mysite.com |
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| 07:17.10 | somiaj | synack-: the default VirtualDomain (I think this is what apache calls them) can be set. I would that up. Been a while, but look at /etc/apache2/sites-enabled |
| 07:17.39 | somiaj | synack-: the first one I think becomes the default if you don't have a dns name in your request. |
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| 07:20.00 | michaelis | somiaj: Thank you for your help. Much appreciated. |
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| 07:24.26 | synack | hey that's my name |
| 07:24.53 | synack- | oops, sorry synack. wont be here fo rlong |
| 07:25.04 | synack | :p |
| 07:25.07 | synack | no worries, just messin |
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| 07:29.05 | DarsVaeda | how can I activate a third screen on a second graphics card |
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| 07:29.20 | DarsVaeda | Xorg.log show the second screen, modes and all |
| 07:29.26 | DarsVaeda | but in xrandr I can not see it |
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| 07:38.06 | DarsVaeda | hmm probably I'll just file a bug, is this a debian bug or a gnome one if the monitor is not available? |
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| 07:39.28 | i5um41ru | I can't log into my Debian, stuck in "enter run level"; |
| 07:39.47 | synack | DarsVaeda: sounds like Debian or Xorg, depending on whether it's a config issue or a bug in xrandr |
| 07:40.10 | DarsVaeda | okay I'll file a bug on debian.net |
| 07:40.12 | DarsVaeda | thanks |
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| 07:41.30 | DarsVaeda | oh noes I have to use this reportbug thing again |
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| 07:41.56 | synack | oh noes indeed |
| 07:42.07 | DarsVaeda | it never worked... |
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| 07:44.23 | DarsVaeda | yep need to add mail data that I don't have here, brilliant -.- |
| 07:45.24 | synack- | somiaj, do i need to restart apache service after modifying VirtualHosts |
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| 07:45.53 | synack | sudo apache2ctl graceful |
| 07:46.08 | synack | or probably some newfangled systemd thing... but that's the old school way |
| 07:46.31 | synack- | so i definitely need to restart the service |
| 07:46.43 | synack | yes |
| 07:46.50 | synack- | thanks |
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| 07:47.35 | DarsVaeda | why did they make it so difficult to report bugs? :O |
| 07:47.47 | DarsVaeda | wasn't there an online form or something? |
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| 07:48.15 | synack | I wish I knew |
| 07:48.32 | synack | hmm |
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| 07:48.34 | synack | there's this package |
| 07:48.35 | synack | reportbug-ng - Easy to use alternative to Debian's classic reportbug |
| 07:48.39 | synack | I wonder if that's better |
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| 07:49.27 | DarsVaeda | it will probably need an email too |
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| 07:51.33 | versuchsanstalt | CONTEXT: I have a shrink wrapped ASUS UX303LA Zenbook and want to install Debian, keeping the Wintendo install that it shipped with. I am slow with updating hardware and this is my second time I encounter UEFI. I've been running Debian for years but stability has its price: I haven' |
| 07:51.43 | versuchsanstalt | I havent installed very often lately... |
| 07:51.51 | versuchsanstalt | so here's my QUESTION: |
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| 07:52.41 | versuchsanstalt | I don't find the external USB DVDROM in the BIOS (EFI?...:-) and I think the usb port is underpowered. |
| 07:52.51 | versuchsanstalt | I tried a Y cable. |
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| 07:53.24 | versuchsanstalt | I'm not sure if I should boot up the Wintendo to see if there's a "boot from cd" option available from Wintendo. |
| 07:53.44 | versuchsanstalt | (I'm also not at all familiar with Win8, but google isnt far away) |
| 07:54.26 | versuchsanstalt | QUESTION: Do I give away any opportunity when I boot up Win8 before dd-ing the whole disk for later recovery? |
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| 07:55.11 | ChrisH | versuchsanstalt: Step 1 shrink the windows partition from inside windows (first time I was impressed from Windows!) |
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| 07:55.33 | versuchsanstalt | ChrisH: what the ... ! |
| 07:55.38 | versuchsanstalt | ok |
| 07:55.56 | ChrisH | Step 2 try to switchoff secure boot, on my boxes a bios Pw was needed therefore. |
| 07:56.05 | versuchsanstalt | ChrisH: yup, done that |
| 07:56.11 | ChrisH | Step 3 boot from net/usb stick and install |
| 07:57.04 | versuchsanstalt | ok, so i have to prepare a usb stick to boot from. Canonical documentation should be in the debian handbook? |
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| 07:57.41 | versuchsanstalt | You see, I never had to think about all that using thinkpads for years... |
| 07:57.55 | ChrisH | versuchsanstalt: yes. short cp netinstall-with-fimware /dev/sdUSBStsick |
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| 07:58.22 | versuchsanstalt | ChrisH: ... and something like a boot flag with fdisk ...? |
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| 07:58.41 | versuchsanstalt | or is that not necessary |
| 07:59.14 | ChrisH | nor did I with my Dells or HPs... but my Wife's Asus Netbook running Win8 was a hell. boot flag is only needed from windows boot manager. I normally add the boot flag during debian installation, but I assume its not needed. |
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| 08:00.19 | versuchsanstalt | ChrisH: ok, so I'll do just that and see if the usb stick gets recognised in the bios/uefi, and proceed if that's successful. |
| 08:00.39 | synack- | synack, could my issue be that the hostname of the server is set to "old" and that's why i'm being directed to old.mysite.com? |
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| 08:01.22 | versuchsanstalt | ChrisH: thank you. I'll try how hellish my wife's Asus Netbook is. :-) |
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| 08:01.31 | Voyage | HI |
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| 08:01.46 | versuchsanstalt | (if thats the correct marketing buzzword for this model.) |
| 08:01.47 | Voyage | when a file is created in a home dir of a user in debian, what permissions does it has? |
| 08:03.17 | ChrisH | Voyage: depends on your umask settings |
| 08:03.25 | ShadowKatStudios | rwxr--r-- is probably standard |
| 08:03.28 | Voyage | ChrisH, whats the default umas? |
| 08:03.45 | ChrisH | Voyage: dunno. run umask and see |
| 08:03.58 | ChrisH | 0022 might the default |
| 08:04.18 | anddam | my selections for gnome-www-browser and x-www-browser are both chromium, yet when I ctrl-click a link in gnome-terminal iceweasel starts. How can I fix this? |
| 08:04.23 | synack | synack-: hard to say without seeing the config |
| 08:04.24 | Voyage | ShadowKatStudios, ubuntu is doing -rw-rw-r-- and I thought that /home/<user> dir is something private and not readable by all others |
| 08:04.29 | anddam | I figure gnome-terminal is using some setting of its own |
| 08:04.32 | Voyage | ChrisH, ^ |
| 08:04.48 | versuchsanstalt | But once again: Would it make sense to keep the machine in its "never booted to windows 8" state? Is that a sensible thing to do or not necessary? |
| 08:05.28 | ShadowKatStudios | Voyage, my Debian server is by default ... wait, it'd be that, but all have read except for secure stuff ie .ssh I thought. |
| 08:05.29 | versuchsanstalt | do i gain any opportunity wrt restoring if i have a full disk image as shipped? |
| 08:06.05 | versuchsanstalt | I'm thinking of settings from the "bios" stored to disk |
| 08:06.10 | Voyage | ShadowKatStudios, it should be private |
| 08:08.06 | anddam | gnome-control-center did the browser trick |
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| 08:08.52 | blapp | Hi! |
| 08:08.56 | jelly | Voyage: change DIR_MODE value in /etc/adduser.conf if you need to make your users' homes private |
| 08:09.13 | blapp | I have a 2GB SD cad that I'd like to store as image with "dd if=..." |
| 08:09.22 | blapp | But only 500MB are used |
| 08:09.46 | blapp | How to make that the image is not 2GB (with 1.5GB of zero or random bytes!) |
| 08:10.59 | Voyage | jelly, hm or change umask? |
| 08:11.16 | ShadowKatStudios | blapp, dd it, then gzip it |
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| 08:11.45 | ShadowKatStudios | There should be considerable amounts of compressable space if you've only used 1/4 of it. |
| 08:11.47 | blapp | ShadowKatStudios: yes but if one day I want to dd it on a 1 GB card, it will fail |
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| 08:12.02 | blapp | because the image will be 2GB large |
| 08:12.21 | blapp | how to make that image size = real used data size (ie 500 MB) instead of 2 GB |
| 08:12.22 | ShadowKatStudios | Oh, you'd have to shrink the filesystem, then resize the partition (do SD cards have partitions?) to fit 1GB then. |
| 08:12.34 | ShadowKatStudios | I think you can resize images offline. |
| 08:12.50 | ShadowKatStudios | I haven't played with such things, though. |
| 08:13.21 | blapp | when you download a distro image |
| 08:13.25 | jelly | (they do, usually) |
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| 08:13.50 | blapp | it is never a 4GB image or 2GB |
| 08:13.57 | blapp | it is the actual size |
| 08:14.01 | blapp | of used data |
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| 08:15.17 | storge | debian users: i'm tracking jessie, but i also added stretch repos just to keep an eye on things. my /etc/apt/preferences has jessie pinned at 900 with stretch pinned at 500. at apt-get upgrade, i'm prompted to install gcc from stretch, and i think it shouldn't be prompting me with that pinning. any ideas? oh, apt.conf default set to "jessie". why is system trying to install stretch updates? |
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| 08:15.51 | jelly | storge: because pinning is HARD |
| 08:16.41 | jelly | storge: avoid mixing stable and anything newer. That way lies pain and madness |
| 08:16.46 | storge | jelly: doesn't seem so, i have the man apt_preferences open and its not written that well but seems understandable enough |
| 08:17.02 | storge | jelly: i'm not trying to install anything from testing. |
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| 08:17.31 | jelly | indeed, and yet you get prompted to do so |
| 08:17.33 | themill | The output of "apt-cache policy" would be interesting to see along with "apt-cache policy packagename" |
| 08:17.41 | storge | but when i was running jessie, i kept stable around to compare and help in irc, pinned wheezy at 400, jessie at 900 (much like i am doing now) and never got prompted to install wheezy stuff |
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| 08:18.13 | storge | themill: apt-cache policy (i won't flood here) for gcc-4.6 reads: |
| 08:18.15 | storge | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:18.15 | storge | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:18.19 | jelly | storge: the wheezy stuff was lower versions; that would have worked witohut any pinning |
| 08:18.26 | storge | jelly: ah. |
| 08:18.28 | jelly | !paste |
| 08:18.28 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 08:18.37 | storge | i didn't paste more than 2 lines |
| 08:18.38 | themill | storge: well gcc-4.6 is not in jessie, so that would do it. |
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| 08:18.50 | themill | storge: and I was wanting to see apt-cache policy... |
| 08:18.52 | jelly | storge: you didn't, but the full output is useful |
| 08:19.47 | storge | themill: is there a pin priority method i can use such that i run jessie but can pull the stretch repos so i can 'apt-cache policy' any time to see version diffs? i don't aim to install anything from stretch, until i just upgrade system to it. |
| 08:19.56 | storge | ok i'll pastebin it |
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| 08:22.16 | storge | themill: http://pastie.org/10152566 |
| 08:22.23 | synack- | somiaj and synack. the fix for me was to update a mediawiki variable called $wgServer. it was nothing to do with Apache after all that |
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| 08:23.15 | themill | storge: so that full output from apt-cache policy tells us that apt is doing exactly what it should be with that setup. You shouldn't be mixing stable and testing. |
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| 08:23.35 | mylord | hey |
| 08:23.55 | jelly | ,v gcc-4.6 |
| 08:23.56 | judd | Package: gcc-4.6 on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.6.3-14; stretch: 4.6.4-7; sid: 4.6.4-7 |
| 08:24.03 | themill | storge: also, 400 is the wrong value for that pin. |
| 08:24.12 | storge | themill: i'm not trying to mix in the sense that i intend to install anything from stretch. is there a way to track the repos so i can policy-query it at any time without having it try to install packages from it? |
| 08:24.25 | mylord | how can I update dpgk on mac osx? |
| 08:24.30 | themill | storge: rmadison or use judd on irc |
| 08:24.38 | storge | huh? |
| 08:24.56 | jelly | since there's no version in jessie at all, it's kind of hard to stick to that one |
| 08:25.05 | themill | !rmadison |
| 08:25.06 | dpkg | rmadison is a script for querying the Debian archive database about available packages. Available in the <devscripts> package. |
| 08:25.11 | storge | oh i see |
| 08:25.19 | storge | i thought rmadison was a user here or something, thanks |
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| 08:25.36 | themill | And if you just want it for reference, you should be pinning it below 100 (even below 0 but that can cause some seriously perverse behaviour) |
| 08:25.38 | mylord | dpkg, how/should I update dpkg on osx, which I think got installed with Xcode? |
| 08:25.39 | dpkg | You are person #2 to send an unparseable request, mylord |
| 08:26.08 | themill | mylord: you'd need to ask them that |
| 08:26.09 | jelly | mylord: we don't support dpkg or apt users from other OSes or distros here, just Debian. Sorry. |
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| 08:26.51 | TomyWork | i have a problem with my apt repo caused by people building and deploying the same version twice. now when trying to install that version, they get "size mismatch". Do you think I could just rename the file in the repo and reindex it? |
| 08:27.28 | TomyWork | would apt care about the filename in the repo as long as the index is correct? |
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| 08:28.20 | jelly | storge: a negative or << 100 priority would make apt not want to install it over the current one, but really pinning is such a hacky feature, it makes apt behave in less predictable ways and it's better to avoid it if at all possible |
| 08:28.52 | storge | ok |
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| 08:30.03 | storge | since i was running jessie but also tracking wheezy (to compare versions and help in irc) and it worked with that pinning schema i had, i thought it was 'working' when it wasnt, ergo i thought it would work with jessie installed but watching stretch. lesson learned. thanks! |
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| 08:30.30 | l3archos | hi all. When I click on "Places" in my desktop environment, I see the default directories (Music, Pictures, Documents, ...). The physical path for the music directory as example is ~/Music. I would like to have a permanent redirection of that folder and point it to smb:/myserver/public/music so that every time I click on the "Music" place in my Gnome desktop environment the network share myserver/public/music will open. How do I do that? |
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| 08:31.01 | storge | sounds like a question specific to the DE |
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| 08:33.41 | shay_shay | storge: hows #! |
| 08:35.14 | storge | shay_shay: dead i think. i'm still running it (been tracking jessie for about 18 months or so) so i'm not feeling much pressure to move. when i do i'll prolly just deb netinstall and 'crunchify' it. i ran debian configged like crunchbang for a couple of years anyway until i discovered #! so it was just an easy install to save me time. //shrugs// |
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| 08:36.28 | babilen | It is also no longer maintained and, above all, not supported in #debian |
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| 08:36.55 | storge | babilen: i wasn't asking for support for it |
| 08:37.12 | storge | i asked an apt question, which was answered, thank you |
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| 08:38.36 | shay_shay | babilen: thats what i was getting at ;) |
| 08:39.30 | storge | shay_shay: but i wasn't asking for crunchbang support |
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| 08:57.55 | Twinkletoes | A general question about SSL certificates... I've installed the public (crt) in /etc/ssl/localcerts/<domain> and the private (key) in /etc/ssl/private, but what do I do with the intermediate bundle? WHat do I call it and where shoudl I put it? What do people generally do? |
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| 09:01.52 | chaton | Hello, I just installed debian 8 (minimal installation), and then pass on testing. Installing "usbmount" for automatic mount. But "sudo service usbmount status" indicates "Loaded: not-found (Reason: No such file or directory)" I guess systemd searches for a file but can not find. Can you help me? thank you |
| 09:01.57 | tremon | I would put keep the public cert and the bundle together, so in this case both in /etc/ssl/localcerts |
| 09:02.34 | dontknow | charliegreen, try systemctl status usbmount |
| 09:02.56 | chaton | same output |
| 09:02.57 | dontknow | ups i meant chaton |
| 09:03.12 | tremon | chaton: iirc you need to issue systemctl daemon-reload after installing new service scripts, and the install scripts do not yet do that. Try issuing a daemon-reload manually and try again |
| 09:03.13 | dontknow | chaton, use systemctl start usbmount |
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| 09:04.57 | dontknow | i installed jessie and gnome as possible as minimal. but there is "evolution-calendar-factory" running background. is it possible to disable that? |
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| 09:05.52 | chaton | tremon: dontknow "systemctl daemon-reload" : no error, but "systemctl start usbmount" same error :/ |
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| 09:05.53 | dontknow | i can see that with gnome system monitor software |
| 09:06.01 | tremon | Twinkletoes: note that many services expect to have both their own cert and the intermediate stack in the same file, so you may need to create a combined file as well |
| 09:06.19 | Twinkletoes | tremon: AH, ok - thank you |
| 09:06.38 | Twinkletoes | tremon: So that *could* be a good practice anyway then - even if it's not explicitly required to be in the same file? |
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| 09:07.26 | tremon | chaton: ah. There is no usbmount daemon (check with dpkg -L), usbmount is triggered as a udev rule |
| 09:07.26 | dontknow | chaton, sorry, i have no idea then |
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| 09:08.39 | Asenar | Hi, something weird happens. As root I type "passwd" to change my password, I have the message "passwd: password updated successfully" but when I try to "su root"Â from an other terminal I got "authentication failure" |
| 09:09.01 | Asenar | Do you know how I can fix that or what can IÂ check ? |
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| 09:09.28 | AlexLikeRock | try "su" |
| 09:09.30 | AlexLikeRock | Asenar, |
| 09:09.49 | AlexLikeRock | you are grong |
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| 09:11.15 | Asenar | grong ? |
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| 09:11.26 | AlexLikeRock | wrong, bad |
| 09:11.28 | tremon | Twinkletoes: I usually keep the cert and stack as separate files, but not in a public location. I then create specific files for each service and put them in their own /etc directory. Not sure what the official best practice is though |
| 09:11.30 | Asenar | AlexLikeRock, same thing, authentication failure |
| 09:11.31 | chaton | tremon: ah okay, usbmount works well, but it is the support of ntfs missing, thx :) |
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| 09:11.47 | Twinkletoes | tremon: Thank you :) |
| 09:11.53 | AlexLikeRock | asenar |
| 09:12.00 | Asenar | but the /etc/shadow has been modified |
| 09:12.02 | AlexLikeRock | passwd root |
| 09:12.28 | tremon | Asenar: you might check /var/log/auth.log, I have no idea what could be wrong |
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| 09:13.13 | Asenar | thanks tremon that's a start |
| 09:13.15 | AlexLikeRock | Asenar, arent iquals KEY-NUM then number of top |
| 09:13.56 | Asenar | unix_chkpwd[6067] check pass, user unknown |
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| 09:16.13 | Asenar | Alex IÂ don't understand your question, but I just opened 2 terminals, logged on my server as a normal user |
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| 09:17.51 | Asenar | On one terminal I type "sudo su" which works fine. then IÂ do "passwd root" to change the root password. Then on the 2nd terminal I want to try it with "su" or "su root" and the answer is "authentication failure" |
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| 09:19.34 | AlexLikeRock | try other password |
| 09:19.43 | AlexLikeRock | try other second terminal |
| 09:19.45 | AlexLikeRock | bye |
| 09:19.46 | tremon | Asenar: maybe root's password is disabled. sudo uses privilege elevation instead of a login, so it works regardless of whether the account is enabled |
| 09:19.58 | Asenar | on auth.log I get 2 messages: "check pass; user unknow", then "password check failed for user (root)" |
| 09:21.56 | tremon | try running passwd -S root (read the man page for explanation), but I'm still confused by the "no such user" message |
| 09:22.09 | Asenar | root login by password is disabled for ssh only, IÂ will check that |
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| 09:22.57 | Phil-Work | which package provides a simple `mail` command I can use to send emails from CLI? |
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| 09:23.12 | tremon | also, just to be sure, can you check that "getent passwd | awk -F: '$3==0 {print $1}' " actually returns "root" as the username? |
| 09:23.14 | Phil-Work | can't find anything in a search of ending in bin/mail on packages.debian.org :S |
| 09:23.31 | Asenar | tremon, IÂ have t his: root P 05/05/2015 0 99999 7 -1 (which is pretty much the same as my current user) |
| 09:23.43 | oskie | Is "US/Eastern" correct for timezone (e.g. /etc/timezone) if you are in NYC? |
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| 09:24.05 | Asenar | yes it did tremon |
| 09:24.30 | Asenar | root is also present in /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow as it is supposed to |
| 09:24.31 | Phil-Work | oskie, looks like it yes |
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| 09:25.39 | rozie | Phil-Work: heirloom-mailx. plus postfix |
| 09:25.48 | tremon | Phil-Work: you may be looking for the various -mailx packages (e.g. heirloom- or bsd-) |
| 09:25.56 | Phil-Work | thanks both :) |
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| 09:27.18 | tremon | Asenar: ok, that looks normal. valid password, changed today, and no password age set |
| 09:27.36 | Asenar | yep |
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| 09:31.10 | tremon | Asenar: next step might be to check the pam configuration for su, but my knowledge stops at verifying that /etc/pam.d/su includes the common-auth and common-account files |
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| 09:31.45 | Asenar | that's what I was doing |
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| 09:32.01 | Asenar | I was looking in pam.d/login in fact |
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| 09:33.27 | Asenar | yes the last lines are @include common-{auth,account,session} |
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| 09:37.34 | Asenar | tremon, I think you can help me. My problem is the same as described here (the 2nd post): http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-security-4/unix-chkpwd-problem-with-linux-pam-1-1-1-trying-to-run-su-from-shadow-4-1-4-2-a-826418/ But I don't understand the "setuid root" thing |
| 09:38.41 | tremon | ah, ugly. Can you show what ls -l /bin/sh shows? |
| 09:38.49 | tremon | err, ls -l /bin/su of course |
| 09:38.59 | tremon | motor memory :) |
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| 09:39.18 | Asenar | /bin/su is 755 |
| 09:39.21 | Asenar | root:root |
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| 09:40.07 | tremon | chmod u+s, or chmod 4755. You might want to aptitude reinstall login though, maybe other things are broken too |
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| 09:40.58 | Asenar | it worked! thanks you |
| 09:41.20 | tremon | great! |
| 09:42.03 | Asenar | ok, now I remember.. someone did by mistake something like chmod 777 / |
| 09:42.23 | Asenar | so I try to restore all but I may have miss some items. |
| 09:42.33 | Asenar | thanks you very much anyway ;) |
| 09:43.04 | Shadur | Asenar: ... You may want to apt-get --reinstall absolutely everything, although I don't know if there's a quick alias for that. |
| 09:43.09 | Shadur | Maybe using aptitude. |
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| 09:45.56 | Asenar | It happens a couple of month ago and I planned to install a new server when I will have time to.. |
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| 09:48.02 | admin6 | Hi all, I have a octo-core server with squeeze that shows very weird values for cpu% usage such as 9999% and utime like 5130244h or even negative values such as -401225. Did you ever seen such behavior / bug ? |
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| 09:49.49 | eptalon | heyas. I did an apt-get update/apt-get dist-upgrade today, and my X11 installation no longer works. I am on sid, possibly experimental. |
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| 09:52.32 | eptalon | Xorg.0.log tells me that the fb lib require "OpenGL 2.1 or later" |
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| 09:52.50 | dutchfish | Shadur, delve into dpkg --verify , maybe thats what is needed |
| 09:52.51 | eptalon | ideas on how to fix? |
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| 09:57.27 | jelly | eptalon: welcome to the post-release frenzy. Enjoy the ride. |
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| 09:58.56 | eptalon | jelly: xserver-video-intel -> xorg-video-abi-18, which is not available. |
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| 10:00.37 | SynrG | eptalon: the way to fix it is to go back and time and read the list of removals before entering "y" |
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| 10:00.51 | SynrG | as you always should when tracking testing or unstable |
| 10:01.24 | Amnesia | question, how do I fix http://ix.io/ihZ ? |
| 10:01.27 | SynrG | failing that, i suppose you could add a line for testing and try to install a specific set of packages |
| 10:01.38 | SynrG | not sure if that will help. sec ... |
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| 10:02.28 | SynrG | eptalon: yeah, stretch is still on the old ABI, so configure your apt like this: |
| 10:02.30 | SynrG | !tum |
| 10:02.30 | dpkg | «echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf», edit sources.list, copy your non-security testing lines and change one set to unstable, then apt-get update. Use apt-get -t unstable install foo; to install foo from unstable rather than testing as usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release: set Preferences->Distribution. |
| 10:02.41 | SynrG | eptalon: and then stay on testing, not unstable |
| 10:02.53 | SynrG | mixing in unstable stuff only as needed |
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| 10:03.10 | Amnesia | anyone else experiencing: http://ix.io/ihZ |
| 10:03.10 | Amnesia | ? |
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| 10:03.29 | Amnesia | xserver-xorg-core is being kept back |
| 10:03.40 | SynrG | eptalon: of course in the instructions above it assumes you're already on testing and says "change one set to unstable". you would do the inverse (change one set to testing) since you seem to already be on unstable |
| 10:03.43 | jelly | Amnesia: which debian release are you using? |
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| 10:03.52 | Amnesia | jelly: unstable |
| 10:03.56 | jelly | !tell Amnesia about basic apt troubleshooting |
| 10:04.10 | SynrG | Amnesia: read the advice i *just* gave to eptalon and apply it to yourself |
| 10:04.17 | eptalon | SynrG: I do have an apt.conf.d. directory... |
| 10:04.17 | jelly | Amnesia: yes, other people are experiencing it. |
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| 10:04.21 | SynrG | don't run unstable. run a testing/unstable mix |
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| 10:04.35 | jelly | Amnesia: this is perfectly normal for unstable. It's in the name! |
| 10:04.47 | Amnesia | well, usualy it's rather stable:) |
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| 10:04.52 | SynrG | Amnesia: but since your system isn't broken yet (eptalon's is) another option is just to ignore it |
| 10:05.15 | SynrG | Amnesia: if you're alert and don't allow apt to break your system, it won't remove stuff you need |
| 10:05.25 | Amnesia | SynrG: I hadn't joined yet when you gave eptalon advice:) |
| 10:05.28 | SynrG | Amnesia: you just wait until the xservers are rebuilt with the new abi and are accepted |
| 10:05.38 | jelly | Amnesia: IME, usually it's very broken after a release |
| 10:05.45 | SynrG | Amnesia: yes you had joined. according to my log |
| 10:05.49 | eptalon | SynrG: preferences.d, or apt.conf.d? |
| 10:06.00 | Amnesia | SynrG: will do, I'll just wait then:) |
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| 10:06.34 | Amnesia | so the current issue is that xserver's abi has changed, and the drivers rely on the old abi? |
| 10:06.53 | SynrG | yes. and all you need to do is wait |
| 10:06.53 | Amnesia | SynrG: ah you're right, my apologies |
| 10:06.58 | SynrG | this is normal for ABI bumps of xorg |
| 10:06.58 | Amnesia | :) |
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| 10:07.09 | Amnesia | yeah, I've experienced the same quite often when I ran crux:p |
| 10:07.13 | eptalon | SynrG: half a day, a day? |
| 10:07.17 | SynrG | no idea |
| 10:07.23 | SynrG | however long it takes |
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| 10:07.52 | SynrG | based on complexity of the job / availability of people to do the work (Xorg maintainers, ftpmaster to manually review and approve) ... |
| 10:08.09 | SynrG | and the built in delays in the system (queue processing time, etc.) |
| 10:08.10 | Amnesia | SynrG/jelly muchas gracias for the info:) |
| 10:08.23 | SynrG | highly variable. impossible to predict |
| 10:08.28 | SynrG | "soon-ish" :) |
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| 10:09.16 | Amnesia | SynrG: quite remarkable apt-get detect the api change:) |
| 10:09.23 | SynrG | eptalon: for Default-Release? that's an apt thing, not a preferences thing |
| 10:09.25 | Amnesia | in case of a source based system xorg would just break:p |
| 10:09.52 | SynrG | eptalon: if you see 'apt.conf' you can mentally map that to "or apt.conf.d" |
| 10:10.11 | SynrG | eptalon: either one. it doesn't matter |
| 10:10.25 | SynrG | eptalon: if apt.conf doesn't exist you can create it and use alongside apt.conf.d/ |
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| 10:11.06 | SynrG | same thing with the other split configs (preferences, sources.list, xorg.conf, etc.) |
| 10:11.53 | SynrG | in general, a split config is used wherever multiple packages need to be delegated responsibility over different fragments of the config. it allows policy-compliant packages to be written that don't walk on other packages' configs. |
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| 10:12.11 | SynrG | but administrators often prefer the all-in-one-conf scheme. so in general, both are supported side-by-side |
| 10:12.20 | SynrG | as always, consult man pages if you're ever in doubt about it. |
| 10:12.29 | SynrG | the important confs all have their own man pages. |
| 10:13.03 | SynrG | e.g. "man apt.conf |
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| 10:16.06 | SynrG | Amnesia: remarkable? well, seems very ordinary to me, but i guess if you're coming from a source-based world, yeah |
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| 10:16.20 | SynrG | Amnesia: life is too short to worry about such things |
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| 10:16.54 | SynrG | stopped building the few things I used to build from source (e.g. kernels) in the early 2000's |
| 10:17.24 | Amnesia | SynrG: :) |
| 10:17.36 | Amnesia | well, with today's hardware it's not too bad |
| 10:17.47 | Amnesia | but building a port yourself for stuff sucks |
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| 10:17.59 | Amnesia | so that's why I got fed up with it |
| 10:18.03 | SynrG | nods |
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| 10:19.56 | anddam | I'm trying to figure why after adding the deb-src from http://www.zwets.com/ta-lib/ and updating I don't see libta-lib0 or ta-lib0-dev in apt-cache |
| 10:20.02 | anddam | any hint about debugging this? |
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| 10:20.40 | tremon | I don't think apt-cache shows source-only packages |
| 10:20.43 | DarsVaeda | can I change folder locations of the standard folders (download, pictures, ...) ? |
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| 10:21.18 | SynrG | anddam: please note the age of the ITP bug linked there ... |
| 10:21.23 | SynrG | anddam: and read the whole bug |
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| 10:21.45 | SynrG | anddam: specifically, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=437177#52 |
| 10:21.47 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/437177 in wnpp (open): «RFP: ta-lib -- common functions for the technical analysis of financial market data»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2007-08-10; last modified: 2012-05-21. |
| 10:21.53 | anddam | I read it already |
| 10:21.57 | eptalon | SynrG: xserver xorg testing also depends on that non-existent package? |
| 10:22.14 | anddam | SynrG: there were lint issues and the (supoposed) maintainer didn't answer for months, IIRC |
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| 10:22.22 | SynrG | anddam: it's highly unlikely a package targetted at unstable that long ago really is compatible with current unstable |
| 10:22.29 | SynrG | bitrot and the like |
| 10:22.45 | anddam | SynrG: ok, but my question is why I don't see it in apt-cache or aptitude |
| 10:22.55 | anddam | SynrG: since I updated the db |
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| 10:23.02 | SynrG | in any case tremon is correct. apt-cache doesn't show deb-src stuff |
| 10:23.14 | SynrG | it only searches deb pkgs |
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| 10:23.23 | SynrG | you can still apt-get source the source pkg |
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| 10:23.40 | SynrG | then you can try your best to make it build, but no guarantees. |
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| 10:23.56 | anddam | the source pkg is the one specified by Source: entry in Packages? |
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| 10:24.23 | SynrG | eptalon: no, it does not. however, apt may now be having trouble because you've already broken your system ... you need to hint it to install specific *lower* versions ... |
| 10:24.25 | SynrG | !downgrade |
| 10:24.26 | dpkg | Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
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| 10:24.36 | anddam | because my issue is how to figure what argument to pass to apt-get source |
| 10:24.37 | SynrG | eptalon: read the part at 'Try: ...' |
| 10:24.54 | tremon | DarsVaeda: yes: http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/xdg-user-dirs/ |
| 10:24.55 | SynrG | eptalon: do that with specific versions from testing for each package that it's stuck at |
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| 10:25.19 | DarsVaeda | tremon, thx |
| 10:25.38 | superlinux | HI. |
| 10:25.38 | SynrG | eptalon: you may need to 'dpkg -l *xorg*' | grep ^ii to figure them all out |
| 10:26.38 | SynrG | eptalon: unfortunately, it's a bit of a mix of versions, so then you need to use apt-cache show, per package, to figure out what the versions are ... |
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| 10:26.48 | superlinux | i just want to say my thoughts about using linux in an engineering office (contractors and construction) |
| 10:26.49 | anddam | SynrG: went with 'ta-lib' and apt-get -b source is building |
| 10:27.10 | anddam | superlinux: nice, I was just going to ask about that! |
| 10:27.24 | SynrG | anddam: generally, either the source pkg or binary pkg name will work, iirc |
| 10:27.35 | anddam | SynrG: that naming sounds a bit confusing to me |
| 10:27.41 | superlinux | I am now an I.T. admin in such an office in the republic of Lebanon. |
| 10:28.00 | anddam | libta-lib0 ta-lib-dev (rather than libta-lib0-dev) and the source is ta-lib |
| 10:28.01 | superlinux | so I am going to show you the facts and costs. |
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| 10:28.02 | SynrG | anddam: source pkg names often follow what upstream calls it, and since upstreams choose rather arbitrary names for their packages ... |
| 10:28.10 | anddam | superlinux: this is #Debian |
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| 10:28.15 | SynrG | anddam: i'm afraid the confusion is unavoidable |
| 10:28.30 | anddam | SynrG: I see, still I thought that should have been a cli entry for me to find those |
| 10:28.32 | Ticho | superlinux: wouldn't something like that be better for a blog post, or a mailing list submission? here on irc, your effort is wasted |
| 10:28.32 | superlinux | anddam, just be patient |
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| 10:28.39 | SynrG | anddam: the binary package names follow stricter guidelines |
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| 10:28.54 | anddam | superlinux: you paved a nice path to #debian-offtopic |
| 10:29.22 | superlinux | ok.. no problem.. but I am using debian as my file server |
| 10:29.40 | anddam | SynrG: but the ta-lib-dev rather than libta-lib0-dev is odd, isn't it? |
| 10:30.00 | superlinux | just let me switch to the off topic channel |
| 10:30.00 | anddam | SynrG: I mean calling the headers package with a different name than the lib |
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| 10:30.37 | d3lphi | hey all. I am on Debian and I have the package "irssi-plugin-xmpp" installed. Though I cannot login/connect to my XMPP / Jabber account. Irssi says at the top of the start that "XMPP" is an unknown protocol. But when I run "/load xmpp" the module seems to be loaded fine without issues. I experience the same issue on another Debian machine. Any clues ? |
| 10:30.45 | anddam | SynrG: apt-cache and aptitude will show packages from deb lines rather than deb-src, right? |
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| 10:31.28 | SynrG | anddam: re oddness of names, perhaps, but then again this package was never accepted in debian, so ... all bets are off |
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| 10:32.49 | anddam | btw the qtstalker death as lack of reason for putting it in repo isn't right IMHO, this is a development library, people could just install the lib for developing with it |
| 10:33.03 | SynrG | anddam: correct. the apt package cache is for cache of deb pkgs |
| 10:33.14 | anddam | SynrG: in fact there it is |
| 10:33.18 | anddam | ah btw only i386 |
| 10:33.22 | SynrG | anddam: you can query it about the source for a given deb, but only if there's a deb line for it |
| 10:33.28 | anddam | I'll better stow that |
| 10:33.43 | SynrG | anddam: it wasn't a reason for not putting it in the repo. you misread that. |
| 10:33.56 | SynrG | anddam: it was a reason for *lack of interest of this specific developer* to put it in the archive |
| 10:34.02 | anddam | when I use stow I put a program in /usr/local/<name> then how do programs know about library/headers installed with that? |
| 10:34.20 | SynrG | anddam: and that's perfectly fair. "upstream is dead so i don't need it anymore, so i'm not going to package it anymore" <- paraphrase |
| 10:34.26 | anddam | if I use --prefix=/usr/local/talib even a pkg-config file would end there |
| 10:34.34 | SynrG | anyone else who needs it is perfectly welcome to package it |
| 10:34.52 | anddam | SynrG: fair is fair, I just think that's a useful library (and that's just because I need it right now) |
| 10:35.00 | SynrG | things don't just magically appear in the archive because *you* need it |
| 10:35.10 | SynrG | someone has to do the work |
| 10:35.16 | SynrG | someone has to be *motivated* to do the work ... |
| 10:35.17 | anddam | they usually do appear like that |
| 10:35.18 | SynrG | sounds like you might be |
| 10:35.31 | anddam | I'd package for deb but I'd invest some time in figuring APT |
| 10:35.40 | SynrG | yep. it's a learning curve |
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| 10:35.52 | anddam | also the whole debian bugtracking is heavily on email, and I never quite liked that |
| 10:36.02 | SynrG | tough. you'll get used to it :) |
| 10:36.14 | anddam | SynrG: I already package ports, it's really nothing special |
| 10:36.21 | SynrG | nods |
| 10:36.35 | SynrG | anyway, #debian-mentors @ irc.oftc.net is the place for help with packaging |
| 10:36.50 | eptalon | SynrG: thanks, downgrading x11 worked. |
| 10:36.55 | SynrG | re /usr/local, *don't* |
| 10:37.01 | anddam | SynrG: is there a way to make a "dry-run" of aptitude? |
| 10:37.02 | SynrG | not for things you intend to go into the archive some day |
| 10:37.12 | SynrG | no policy-compliant package may put things in /usr/local |
| 10:37.22 | SynrG | eptalon: yay! |
| 10:37.25 | anddam | SynrG: I didn't understand you last three lines to me |
| 10:37.28 | SynrG | eptalon: and from now on ... be careful :) |
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| 10:37.45 | SynrG | eptalon: even running a testing/unstable mix, if you don't watch the removals, you can easily shoot yourself in the foot |
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| 10:38.05 | anddam | SynrG: consider that my /usr/local bit was strictly referred to using stow, IIRC that's what the factoid said |
| 10:38.05 | SynrG | eptalon: especially in the period immediately following a stable release, testing is turbulent |
| 10:38.22 | eptalon | SynrG: when was the new release is it planned? |
| 10:38.29 | anddam | I know the purpose of /usr/local |
| 10:38.31 | SynrG | anddam: stow is stow ... that is for /usr/local ... yes. different issue from packaging ... |
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| 10:38.54 | SynrG | anddam: use stow *or* build deb pkgs from source. not both at once. |
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| 10:39.16 | eptalon | anyway, thanks to all for helping... |
| 10:39.25 | eptalon | see yas |
| 10:39.31 | SynrG | anddam: did we switch topics? i thought you were building debs from the source pkg |
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| 10:40.00 | SynrG | anddam: if you're just going to abandon the deb pkg and use vanilla upstream source, then it's no longer a matter of packaging |
| 10:40.04 | zeio | do |
| 10:40.10 | anddam | SynrG: actually no, let's build the deb package |
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| 10:40.13 | SynrG | anddam: how do packages know? there's ld.so.conf |
| 10:40.35 | SynrG | anddam: there are a list of paths the linker will look in. i think /usr/local is among them by default |
| 10:40.42 | SynrG | read the man pages |
| 10:40.47 | oo_miguel | Is there some tool that can aggregate multiple calendars (ics, CalDav etc.) and serve them as one single calendar? |
| 10:40.59 | anddam | but once you use /usr/local/<name> the dynamic linker won't look there anymore |
| 10:41.07 | anddam | it'll likely look /usr/local/lib |
| 10:41.20 | anddam | SynrG: ok, let's push apart the stow thing |
| 10:41.28 | anddam | SynrG: back to building the deb package |
| 10:41.57 | anddam | SynrG: this is like a ssb, in order to build source package I have to build-dep first |
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| 10:42.07 | anddam | SynrG: point is this package shows as ta-lib0-dev:i386 |
| 10:42.26 | anddam | will build-dep ta-lib0-dev pull in dependencies :i386? |
| 10:42.28 | SynrG | anddam: probably the developer only built on i386 |
| 10:42.38 | anddam | yes, but I'd like to build it amd64 now |
| 10:42.51 | SynrG | build deps can often not be arch-specific |
| 10:42.55 | SynrG | manually check them |
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| 10:44.23 | anddam | I don't know how to check them |
| 10:44.52 | anddam | maybe a A-HA moment |
| 10:44.55 | anddam | Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 5), autotools-dev |
| 10:45.01 | anddam | in the description |
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| 10:45.15 | anddam | I mean the .dsc file |
| 10:45.31 | SynrG | yes. and apt-cache showsrc |
| 10:45.37 | SynrG | (assuming, again, you have a deb line) |
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| 10:46.33 | SynrG | so those are both arch-indep things and apt-get build-dep would work for them |
| 10:46.34 | teraflop | oo_miguel: I think gnome online accounts and then pick what you want in evulotion or whatever you like, but sure there must more altenatives |
| 10:46.40 | anddam | I do |
| 10:47.11 | anddam | when using build-dep I target the "binary package" name, not the source |
| 10:47.38 | oo_miguel | teraflop: hmm thank you for the suggestion. |
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| 10:47.43 | teraflop | oo_miguel: np |
| 10:47.51 | anddam | in this case I see a single source will provide two debian package, the libta-lib0 and ta-lib-dev |
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| 10:47.59 | anddam | I have to change the files and fix those names |
| 10:48.13 | d3lphi | anyone? |
| 10:48.15 | anddam | my brain explodes reading that inconsistency |
| 10:48.27 | anddam | d3lphi: it's empty here |
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| 10:49.23 | Ticho | d3lphi: you're being offered advice in #irssi already |
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| 10:51.28 | anddam | SynrG: cleaned the dir, and re-running apt-get -b source ta-lib,saving stdout and stderr |
| 10:51.41 | anddam | it already failed earlier, and I already had deps, let's see why |
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| 10:58.23 | ideb | hi. i'm looking for a vdi software using PCoIP, which is NOT Vmware horizon view client. I'd like something open source. thoughts ? |
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| 10:58.29 | ideb | can't seem to find anything |
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| 11:08.31 | ntz | hello |
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| 11:08.49 | ntz | my log is spawned with this (approx 1GB/day): http://susepaste.org/view/raw/30736898 .. i have in rsyslog.conf ``$RepeatedMsgReduction on |
| 11:08.52 | ntz | ^^ isn't available some smarter module for this ? |
| 11:08.54 | ntz | because it doesn't work here with $RepeatedMsgReduction on like I want |
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| 11:09.13 | ntz | well, it's more than 1GB/day |
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| 11:18.42 | noob_luzer | just did what could be best characterized as a botched upgrade of wheezy to jessie; now the terminal won't launch from gnome. Ideas? |
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| 11:21.35 | SynrG | noob_luzer: switch to text console and verify the upgrade completed completely by doing 'apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade' |
| 11:22.04 | SynrG | if any errors occurred during upgrade and you ignored or did not yet address them, it could've left you half-upgraded |
| 11:22.06 | SynrG | all sorts of things may not work |
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| 11:23.05 | noob_luzer | yeah... did a aptitude full-upgrade (both aptitude and apt-get report 0 packages to upgrade) |
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| 11:23.29 | SynrG | do you have any alternative x terminal program, xterm for example? |
| 11:23.44 | SynrG | it will give you a chance to see what's happening when gnome-terminal is being launched |
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| 11:24.16 | SynrG | e.g. open xterm, type 'gnome-terminal &' and capture any output/errors and show them at paste.debian.net |
| 11:24.28 | SynrG | if you don't have it, then use the text console to install it |
| 11:24.47 | SynrG | then switch back to graphical console and do the above |
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| 11:25.20 | SynrG | noob_luzer: good luck. address any further questions to the channel. i'm out. heading out to work |
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| 11:25.44 | noob_luzer | thanks... I'll give it a spin |
| 11:25.46 | SynrG | noob_luzer: you might elaborate, for instance, on what "botched" means |
| 11:25.57 | SynrG | in case that's relevant to your current problem |
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| 11:26.39 | noob_luzer | botched means I did a wholesale replacment of /etc/apt/sources.list with the bare minimum after doing the aptitude full-upgrade to catch stuff that got missed |
| 11:27.20 | noob_luzer | This was after getting a background only after login. |
| 11:28.04 | SynrG | what led you to doing that? did you have a lot of third-party packages mixed into your wheezy? |
| 11:28.36 | SynrG | ok, truly gone now. later :) |
| 11:28.45 | noob_luzer | honestly, the whole thing is a hot steaming mess, but it's about a year's worth random crap and plenty of third party stuff added into sources.list |
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| 11:37.11 | JarJarBinks | Hi. Where can I find information on a package is compiled. I am happy with apache2-mpm-prefork except I need to raise the constant DEFAULT_LIMIT_REQUEST_LINE . When I recompile apache2, with this value changed, I am clearly not using the same options as the package was compiled with. For example, I'm compiling alot of the moduels as builtin instead of shared... I just want to compile and confiure the package exactly as the maintainer did... with a little ch |
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| 11:55.04 | ahop | Hi! |
| 11:55.11 | ahop | Any idea about that? That looks strange: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/200507/simple-automount-usb-devices-with-fstab-is-it-normal-behaviour |
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| 12:05.40 | benben159 | hallo |
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| 12:07.52 | benben159 | anyone interested in developing a xf86 video driver on this repo https://gitorious.org/xf86-video-sis671/sis-671-fix.git |
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| 12:18.37 | colo-work | what's the preferred way to configure NIC bonding/teaming on Jessie? |
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| 12:20.53 | Scuttle | Hm... anyoe know if there is a good/easy way to create a bootale, read-only sdcard with debian? Like a Livecd-thing, but on a sdcard |
| 12:21.02 | dutchfish | colo-work, not much doc yet, but see an example here https://wiki.debian.org/BridgeNetworkConnections#Link_Aggregation_.28LACP.29_with_VLANs |
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| 12:21.49 | tomodachi | Scuttle: there is no difference |
| 12:21.58 | tomodachi | Scuttle: from a usb bootable image |
| 12:22.06 | tomodachi | just as long as your bios supports booting from it |
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| 12:31.51 | dutchfish | colo-work, for more in depth use the kernel docs http://lxr.free-electrons.com/source/Documentation/networking/bonding.txt?v=3.16 |
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| 12:46.49 | colo-work | dutchfish, do you happen to know if that'll use ifenslave in the background? |
| 12:47.46 | petn-randall | colo-work: ifenslave works fine for me, the libteam packages aren't really usable out of the box. |
| 12:47.49 | dutchfish | colo-work, at the top of my head userland ha sbeen changed, ip and family is your ticket, the last time i did it is a while back |
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| 12:48.21 | Eduard_Munteanu | Can I make a (local) repository without Debian tools, perhaps simply placing the debs in a directory? |
| 12:48.35 | dutchfish | colo-work, but /etc/network/interfaces is still being used and on top of that extras has been incorporated within |
| 12:48.47 | jelly | Eduard_Munteanu: if you can do the work of dpkg-scanpackages manually, yes |
| 12:48.47 | colo-work | dutchfish, last I checked on wheezy (I think - maybe it was still squeeze), interfaces(5) used ifenslave. I know it's supposed to be done using ip these days :) |
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| 12:49.02 | dutchfish | colo-work, fair enough |
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| 12:49.12 | Eduard_Munteanu | Ah, so no. I suppose I could run dpkg-scanpackages. |
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| 12:49.33 | colo-work | petn-randall, so you tried to use the teaming daemon? a colleague of mine tried that over the recent days, and doesn't have anything usable to show for |
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| 12:49.44 | jelly | Eduard_Munteanu: /msg dpkg own repo |
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| 12:49.54 | Eduard_Munteanu | Thanks. |
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| 12:50.18 | colo-work | now, we're looking for alternatives. we can't use LACP, btw - I'd like to have bonding mode 1 with a 10G link, failing over to a 1G link |
| 12:50.22 | colo-work | (on different switches) |
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| 12:51.38 | petn-randall | colo-work: ifenslave is pretty much 1) install 2) configure in /etc/network/interfaces 3) Profit. libteam doesn't come with its own binding for ifup, you'd have to write them yourself. |
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| 12:53.27 | dutchfish | colo-work, furthermore if you decide for libteam, you also need libteam-dev, there are some fixes in current sid, but i would not recommend that on a production machine |
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| 12:55.12 | colo-work | petn-randall, we tried using libteam with NetworkManager. Result's pretty much that it "doesn't work". we couldn't even get it going on Fedora either, though. seems like an upstream problem we haven't yet had time to investigate. |
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| 12:59.33 | jelly | colo-work: it doesn't help the upstream channel is 3 people and idle all the time, eh? |
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| 13:02.14 | colo-work | jelly, I did not try to interact with any one of them yet ;) |
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| 13:03.28 | jelly | I thought I'd have to when we stumbled into some issues with bonding, but managed to deal with it on cisco equipment instead. |
| 13:03.40 | Hebron | hello |
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| 13:04.32 | blonkel | hey im using "sudo invoke-rc.d networking stop && sudo invoke-rc.d networking start", but i get a lot of "RTNETLINK answers: Operation not supported" spam |
| 13:04.33 | Hebron | i like some help updating xfce to 4.12 if possible |
| 13:04.38 | blonkel | any idears how to prevent this? |
| 13:05.34 | Brigo | blonkel, problems in network interfaces configuration. |
| 13:05.35 | jelly | blonkel: use ifup and ifdown for specific interfaces instead of the init script |
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| 13:06.34 | Brigo | Hebron, are you using jessie? |
| 13:06.49 | blonkel | jeezy: same issue with "ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0" |
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| 13:07.43 | blonkel | Brigo: heres the config, whats wrong with it? http://pastebin.com/5eCxHCh4 |
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| 13:08.37 | blonkel | okay found the issue it is /etc/network/if-up.d/ipv6-routes |
| 13:08.38 | blonkel | thanks |
| 13:08.40 | Hebron | yes but when i installed it was still testing |
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| 13:09.56 | Brigo | Hebron, there is 4.10 in jessie. If you want to install 4.12 you better make a simple sid backport of it, but i do not recomend it, at all |
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| 13:10.49 | Brigo | Hebron, i think you better wait untill it be available in backports. |
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| 13:11.05 | Hebron | Brigo thank you but i have prublems with 410 that i cant solve |
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| 13:11.39 | Brigo | what problems? |
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| 13:12.00 | Hebron | mounting certain samba shares |
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| 13:12.25 | Brigo | and you think 4.12 will solve that ... |
| 13:12.27 | Hebron | thunar mounts some others it says invalid argument |
| 13:12.49 | Hebron | ver weird some work some dont ver confusing |
| 13:13.05 | jeezy | blonkel: yes? |
| 13:13.11 | teraflop | blonkel: what's the point of eliding lan ip addresses when trying to troubleshot the network ... I dont know |
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| 13:13.21 | jeezy | [08:06:49] blonkel:jeezy: same issue with "ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0" ??? |
| 13:13.35 | Hebron | Brigo i hape so |
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| 13:14.49 | Hebron | i have run out of ideas on how to solve it |
| 13:15.04 | Brigo | Hebron, let me check; have you installed "thunar-shares-plugin"? |
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| 13:16.43 | Hebron | no i dont think so |
| 13:17.20 | Hebron | but its not in my repo either |
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| 13:17.54 | Hebron | atleast not in the repos that are in my sources list |
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| 13:22.11 | darxmurf | do you think it's safe to extend a mounted 12Tb partition in EXT4 ? |
| 13:22.16 | darxmurf | :) |
| 13:22.29 | darxmurf | 14Tb sorry |
| 13:23.02 | karlpinc | darxmurf: Why not? It's been out long enough to be stable. |
| 13:23.20 | darxmurf | true |
| 13:23.23 | Brigo | Hebron, how do you mount samba share with thunar? |
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| 13:23.47 | karlpinc | Hebron: and, can you mount it without thunar? |
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| 13:24.17 | darxmurf_ | blah |
| 13:26.25 | Hebron | karlpinc i dont know how exactly |
| 13:27.58 | karlpinc | Hebron: I don't recall myself. I think it might be the smb command. But if you can't mount it at all, then the problem is not likely with thunar. |
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| 13:29.01 | Hebron | i tried the mount command with cifs as fs but not sure if its correct |
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| 13:29.19 | Hebron | info is rather scattered on the web |
| 13:29.34 | karlpinc | Hebron: Make a paste somewhere with your command and it's output and maybe somebody can help. |
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| 13:30.00 | karlpinc | Hebron: Have you tried reading the offical instructions, either in the man pages or at samba.org? |
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| 13:30.08 | jelly | darxmurf_: up to 16TiB yes, not sure after that |
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| 13:33.04 | karlpinc | Hebron: I don't really know anything about samba. I've made it work before but I forget all the details. |
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| 13:35.29 | Hebron | karlpinc thank you but the confusing part is tht some shares mount without a problem and some dont |
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| 13:40.23 | arcsky | if i want a a shell command to be executed as root when booting up the machine. where should i do that? |
| 13:40.52 | blonkel | try /etc/rc.local |
| 13:41.41 | DammitJim | is there a way to share a samba folder that has subfolders... each subfolder belongs to a user? |
| 13:42.01 | DammitJim | each user can access and change their own folder, but an admin user can rw any subfolder? |
| 13:42.10 | blonkel | arcsky but beware, locale is POSIX not your default one |
| 13:42.11 | DammitJim | or will I have to do a samba share for each user? |
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| 13:43.14 | os_ | hi, how do i share internet with my guest os in qemu? |
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| 13:44.28 | os_ | trying to install sid on a virtual machine |
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| 13:45.08 | c1b3rh4ck | hi, is there anyway to change the Debian version name ? , I want to change it to the default name Debian Gnu/Linux 8 |
| 13:45.15 | tremon | os_: https://wiki.debian.org/QEMU#Networking |
| 13:45.56 | lucad111 | os_: I usually configure the host interface as a bridge and then add the virtual interface of the vm to the bridge |
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| 13:46.09 | lucad111 | os_: that's quick and dirty |
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| 13:47.11 | os_ | i remember that there is an easier way, some argument to pass |
| 13:47.46 | lucad111 | os_: in that case i'm not sure |
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| 13:48.27 | os_ | anyway, thanks guys! |
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| 13:49.46 | pclover | so i wonder how you skip a mirror with apt-get. |
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| 13:50.38 | pclover | i guess you can manually edit the sources.list and change it to a specific mirror? |
| 13:51.18 | shifty779 | c1b3rh4ck: edit /etc/issue ? |
| 13:51.51 | shifty779 | pclover: comment the source out in /etc/sources.list, yes, that will skip it. |
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| 13:52.35 | vegardx | c1b3rh4ck: wat |
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| 13:58.07 | pflanze | Does anyone know what's overwriting the locale when using Xfce? I'm setting it in my .bash_profile, which *is* being read, but LANG is overwritten to be what gdm runs as. |
| 13:58.36 | pflanze | Which seems to be the default system locale after boot. |
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| 13:59.25 | pflanze | Googling reveals that setting LC_ALL prevents this from happening. This is plain horrible from a discovery/debugging standpoint, |
| 13:59.37 | iobug | hi all |
| 13:59.45 | pflanze | also, setting LC_ALL is discouraged by the debian wiki locale page. |
| 14:00.11 | pflanze | So which br*nde*d piece of software does this, xfce or gdm? |
| 14:00.18 | iobug | can I check in which package is locate <my_file?.so? |
| 14:00.51 | pflanze | iobug, dpkg -S |
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| 14:01.34 | pflanze | (Also, you'll want to put single quotes around your regex if that's a shell command you want to use) |
| 14:01.35 | iobug | pflanze: thank you! |
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| 14:03.08 | iobug | simple -S is exactly solve my problem |
| 14:03.13 | iobug | thank you again |
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| 14:13.43 | waqstar | trying to get 8.0 installed onto a small atom machine. Get the live iso so I can check it out first, go into default live mode. And I see xorg segmentation fault errors. Any possible cause? |
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| 14:13.59 | Amun_Ra | iobug: also apt-file search |
| 14:14.13 | jelly | pflanze: stop gdm, start X using startxfce4, see if it happens as well |
| 14:14.44 | jelly | pflanze: you'll have to clue as to whether gdm or an xfce component sets it up |
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| 14:14.50 | jelly | s/to/a/ |
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| 14:15.30 | DammitJim | I have a samba share set up... but I cannot edit a file in a subfolder |
| 14:15.38 | DammitJim | what should I be looking at as to the reason for this? |
| 14:15.45 | Eduard_Munteanu | Suppose I already built a source package and I want to modify a file and repack it, how do I do it without restarting the whole rebuilding process? |
| 14:15.45 | DammitJim | the file is owned by the same user that is editing it! |
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| 14:17.08 | iobug | sudo: apt-file: command not found |
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| 14:17.18 | DammitJim | it's so werid... it is as if samba doesn't see my user as the owner |
| 14:17.24 | Eduard_Munteanu | iobug, install 'apt-file' |
| 14:17.59 | iobug | dpkg -S is perfect for me, I want just to check one file |
| 14:17.59 | dpkg | There is no record of a is perfect for me, I want just to check one file package |
| 14:18.06 | iobug | thank you! |
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| 14:19.55 | gnomon | Is there any chance that an 'aptitude update' yesterday might have borked the contents of the /boot/grub directory on my more-or-less fresh Jessie installation? |
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| 14:32.14 | c1b3rh4ck | hi, is there anyway to change the Debian version name ? , I want to change it to the default name Debian Gnu/Linux 8 |
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| 14:32.33 | petn-randall | c1b3rh4ck: Where do you see the version name? |
| 14:32.45 | c1b3rh4ck | I was testing unofficial reports and this has changed it |
| 14:33.00 | petn-randall | Unofficial reports of what? |
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| 14:33.13 | c1b3rh4ck | cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 14:33.53 | c1b3rh4ck | I could change it there but, my goal is to change the name in the grub menu |
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| 14:34.18 | themill | c1b3rh4ck: upgrading to the latest packages should suffice for that |
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| 14:34.53 | c1b3rh4ck | I don't know why if I change the version name it doesn't change when I update the grub menu |
| 14:35.09 | c1b3rh4ck | It's update to the latest |
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| 14:35.37 | rfreeman_w | I run debian repository at 3 servers (other IP, other domain - but could be same subdomain or could make a common domain for them) |
| 14:35.42 | Amun_Ra | any btrfs users here? |
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| 14:35.54 | rfreeman_w | how to make it so that users can easily say "I wish to user server X but if that does not work then Y or even Z" |
| 14:36.00 | rfreeman_w | for apt |
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| 14:36.41 | rfreeman_w | maybe have my mirror.mempo.org point to 3 IP addresses? |
| 14:36.58 | themill | c1b3rh4ck: what do you have in /etc/debian_version? |
| 14:37.28 | waqstar | Ok now I got to the installation stage and get error: Could not create ext4 file system on <my disk> |
| 14:37.32 | c1b3rh4ck | kali linux 1.10 |
| 14:37.46 | themill | c1b3rh4ck: so not debian at all then... You need to ask #kali-linux |
| 14:37.51 | themill | dpkg: tell c1b3rh4ck about kali |
| 14:37.52 | c1b3rh4ck | Because I was testing the official repo for that |
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| 14:38.25 | c1b3rh4ck | in my debian, but after testing a couple of things, and broke my beauty jessie |
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| 14:38.39 | petn-randall | shrugs. |
| 14:38.45 | c1b3rh4ck | I decided to delete that repo |
| 14:39.09 | petn-randall | c1b3rh4ck: Either way you don't have Debian, you're running Kali. So ask in #kali-linux. |
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| 14:39.18 | c1b3rh4ck | Not petn-randall |
| 14:39.28 | dontknow | anyone here achieved installing minimal gnome? |
| 14:39.30 | c1b3rh4ck | I've installed debian testing, |
| 14:39.45 | jelly | rfreeman_w: a dns round-robin won't have a preference between the three, and worse, you have to update it when one of your mirror dies. if you have A (or AAAA) records and one server dies, approximately a third of clients will try to connect there and time out until it's removed from dns |
| 14:39.52 | themill | c1b3rh4ck: the contents of /etc/debian_version quite clearly say that it's not debian. Who knows what you have. |
| 14:39.59 | c1b3rh4ck | the only thing was add and external repo and this was the kali linux repository |
| 14:40.02 | petn-randall | !frankendebian |
| 14:40.02 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
| 14:40.03 | shay_shay | we hear this lie/excuse every day, we've gotten good at knowing it |
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| 14:40.13 | rfreeman_w | jelly, then what is the solution for it? |
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| 14:41.04 | jelly | rfreeman_w: that _is_ one solution |
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| 14:41.27 | c1b3rh4ck | this change because after my last aptitute update it installed a new kernel version with that name |
| 14:41.44 | c1b3rh4ck | anyway I'm going to see what can I do |
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| 14:42.17 | c1b3rh4ck | Thankyou for your time , I'll let you know what was my solution. Cheers |
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| 14:44.00 | jelly | rfreeman_w: if you can't automate dns changes, another (but more complex) solution is to set up a highly available reverse proxy (or redirector) as frontend, that will detect which backends are alive or dead and add/remove them from the pool |
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| 14:44.18 | rfreeman_w | jelly, that will be still centralized on some 1 server |
| 14:44.19 | jelly | rfreeman_w: http.debian.net does something like that |
| 14:44.39 | jelly | rfreeman_w: I said "highly available" |
| 14:44.43 | rfreeman_w | actually, if I just enter all 3 repositories to apt then it will work |
| 14:44.55 | rfreeman_w | with downside of apt complaining a lot |
| 14:45.00 | rfreeman_w | if one server is down |
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| 14:45.05 | jelly | heh |
| 14:45.23 | rfreeman_w | right? so we just need a way to tell apt that given entries are equivalent of each other |
| 14:46.15 | jelly | I don't think apt is smart enough to look for the same package version on second deb source when the first is dead |
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| 14:46.40 | rfreeman_w | it keeps per-download-url list of packages? that's silly |
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| 14:47.00 | rfreeman_w | it should build a joined repository without thinking which transport was used |
| 14:47.09 | rfreeman_w | if anything, it should group by public-key of owner |
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| 14:47.46 | jelly | rfreeman_w: yeah, just look at contents of /var/lib/apt/lists/ |
| 14:47.50 | rfreeman_w | deb-group "foo" priority 100 http://foo.com/ main wheezy |
| 14:47.57 | rfreeman_w | deb-group "foo" priority 50 http://foo.org/ main wheezy |
| 14:48.05 | rfreeman_w | deb-group "foo" priority 5 http://foo.backups.biz/ main wheezy |
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| 14:48.17 | rfreeman_w | good idea? and it would look in order, randomly between same priority |
| 14:48.32 | jelly | there's no need to do that in practice |
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| 14:49.08 | rfreeman_w | jelly, maybe not for main debian project itself, but smaller forks or additional repositories done by community sometimes have problems being fully up |
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| 14:49.24 | jelly | debian has a highly available redirector in form of http.debian.net, and it has people who take care of DNS entries, for security.debian.org |
| 14:49.52 | i5um41ru | I've just download debian 8 cd 1, but why it didn't install default Gnome desktop?? |
| 14:50.13 | jelly | rfreeman_w: maybe you just need more reliable mirror hosting |
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| 14:50.31 | jelly | rfreeman_w: how large is mempo at present time? |
| 14:50.35 | rfreeman_w | jelly, maybe. though in future you could experience problems like political censorship |
| 14:50.47 | rfreeman_w | jelly, 2 GB |
| 14:50.59 | jelly | yeah, that's nothing |
| 14:51.00 | rfreeman_w | (because we keep entire history) |
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| 14:51.35 | rfreeman_w | jelly, I know, this is not a serious problem, but it's more of finding an universal solution for uncensorable/unDDoSable decentralized hosting of packages |
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| 14:51.50 | rfreeman_w | jelly, in fact now it is hosted inside Freenet. and there are some clearnet gateways but not realiable |
| 14:52.14 | ctmjr | i5um41ru: what desktop enviroment did you choose in the installer? |
| 14:52.58 | i5um41ru | ctmjr: only there is one option at there, i install debian 8 i386 CD 1 |
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| 14:53.19 | jelly | rfreeman_w: if you find a solution for that you'll be able to make millions. |
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| 14:54.08 | rfreeman_w | jelly, will you pay me 1/100 of that if I implement that solution for apt? |
| 14:54.18 | i5um41ru | ctmjr: here, in software selection, all marked #1 Debian desktop environment and #2 Standard system utils |
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| 14:54.36 | jelly | rfreeman_w: I don't need it. gvts typically do not wage wars against linux distros. |
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| 14:55.19 | jelly | but there's definitely a market |
| 14:55.25 | rfreeman_w | libdecss |
| 14:55.31 | latsni | I tried to use 'php5enmod curl' but nothing happened, i thought it would create a symlink of the curl.ini file at e.g. /etc/php5/fpm/conf.d/ but it doesn't. What could be wrong here? |
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| 14:56.31 | latsni | i am on Debian Wheezy i686 |
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| 14:58.06 | ctmjr | i5um41ru: so you installed all the DE's you can choose which one to use at the login screen if not you did something wrong |
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| 15:00.41 | i5um41ru | ctmjr: after fresh intall this debian. there are no login screen except tty1 login, after login to this, startxt is the only option |
| 15:00.58 | i5um41ru | ctmjr: i mean startx |
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| 15:02.35 | ctmjr | i5um41ru: and startx works? gives you a desktop? |
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| 15:03.06 | i5um41ru | ctmjr: it's work . but only xterm |
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| 15:03.45 | i5um41ru | ctmjr: do i need another cd of debian 8? |
| 15:04.06 | ctmjr | no |
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| 15:04.21 | frankS2 | Hi, im getting an unknown error with cgroups, anyone seen this error before? : http://pastie.org/private/ziwfrntwvcltvdgg0jjq |
| 15:04.25 | i5um41ru | ctmjr: then what to do to install the desktop manager? |
| 15:06.02 | ctmjr | i5um41ru: apt-get install tasksel |
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| 15:06.50 | Hebron | im having problems mountting some shares still nothing i try seems to work |
| 15:06.52 | anddam | does debian's sh have pushd and popd? |
| 15:06.56 | i5um41ru | ctmjr: well, wait me. I install my debian, again and again... |
| 15:06.59 | DammitJim | Hebron, what command are you using for mounting? |
| 15:07.13 | i5um41ru | ctmjr: just wait a few to complete this.. |
| 15:07.26 | Brigo | frankS2, This kernel does not support this feature <-- it is the kernel |
| 15:07.37 | frankS2 | Brigo: no its not |
| 15:07.42 | frankS2 | Brigo: the error msg must be false |
| 15:07.50 | Brigo | frankS2, what kernel are you using? |
| 15:07.57 | ctmjr | i5um41ru: after it installs then do tasksel install gnome-desktop --new-install |
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| 15:07.58 | anddam | I mean I see those aren't there, I just was wondering if that's how it's supposed tio be |
| 15:08.06 | Hebron | sudo mount - t //192.168.0.80/Data / mnt/data |
| 15:08.10 | frankS2 | Brigo: http://pastie.org/private/amacf5oowitdvm3lsr7za |
| 15:08.19 | Hebron | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:09.00 | i5um41ru | ctmjr: but how to mount my usb drive installation as an cd drive? |
| 15:09.05 | frankS2 | Brigo: heh, actually when running strace -s 2048 i get more output: write(1, "cgconfigparser wrong mode format"..., 37cgconfigparser wrong mode format 2048) = 37 |
| 15:09.15 | DammitJim | Hebron, is this share on another debian server? |
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| 15:09.36 | Iridos | frankS2, that doesn't look like a debian kernel to me |
| 15:09.38 | i5um41ru | ctmjr: btw, what is tasksel? |
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| 15:10.01 | frankS2 | Iridos: its ubuntu, but its not important. i think ntheres a bug in cgonfigparser |
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| 15:10.18 | Hebron | DammitJim no Windows |
| 15:10.41 | petn-randall | frankS2: Ask in #ubuntu then. |
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| 15:10.44 | petn-randall | !ubuntu |
| 15:10.44 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>. |
| 15:10.49 | DammitJim | is that a machine that is part of a domain? |
| 15:10.57 | Iridos | it's important for support in here |
| 15:11.12 | Brigo | frankS2, it is importan for us, we don't support ubuntu here, sorry. |
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| 15:11.47 | Hebron | Dammitjim no just a standerd share onless WORKGROUP counts |
| 15:12.12 | ctmjr | dpkg: tell i5um41ru about tasksel |
| 15:12.18 | DammitJim | Hebron, how is the share configured? |
| 15:13.50 | Hebron | DammitJim there is much to configure in Win i just share the folder i have done no samba hacks whatsoever |
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| 15:13.59 | ctmjr | i5um41ru: how did you write debian to the usb stick show us the command you used |
| 15:14.08 | DammitJim | Hebron, but who has access to this shared folder? |
| 15:14.11 | DammitJim | what user? |
| 15:15.34 | i5um41ru | ctmjr: tasksel gnome-desktop --new-install --> nothing to show.., btw my CD 1 currently not mounted, it was an usb drive but i do not know how to mount it |
| 15:15.55 | Hebron | everyone at this point |
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| 15:18.36 | Hebron | DamnitJim everyone has acces |
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| 15:21.41 | matthiaskrgr | in the installer / partition disk step, how do I change the size of a partition? |
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| 15:22.53 | petn-randall | matthiaskrgr: I already responded to you yesterday. Did that work for you? |
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| 15:23.53 | ctmjr | i5um41ru: trying to figure this out, you downloaded cd1 put it on a usb stick installed debian, but you get no DE just a tty, you run startx and get a terminal screen but no DE. |
| 15:23.59 | matthiaskrgr | well, when I enter the manual settings, it just throws me back to the screen where I was before |
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| 15:25.17 | i5um41ru | ctmjr: yup that's right.. i'm using rufus to make my usb bootable from cd 1.iso |
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| 15:26.12 | matthiaskrgr | I'm here now: http://imgur.com/5TgTz7V |
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| 15:26.26 | i5um41ru | ctmjr: i don't know why the default DE nothing there |
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| 15:27.59 | petn-randall | matthiaskrgr: As I said, you have to delete the partition and create a bigger one. If you need the data, you can't enlarge the partition from within the installer. |
| 15:29.00 | sydney_untangle | matthiaskrgr: What wrong? |
| 15:29.37 | DammitJim | sorry Hebron |
| 15:29.41 | DammitJim | what is the message you get? |
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| 15:30.15 | Hebron | terminal says my syntax is wrong |
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| 15:31.48 | Hebron | Sudo mount -t cifs //192.168.0.80/Data /mnt/data |
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| 15:33.08 | Hebron | Thunar file manager says invalid argument on some shares and mounts others even though they all on same device |
| 15:33.17 | Hebron | very confusing |
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| 15:34.14 | Hebron | cant find anything usefull in dmesg ( but im no expert) |
| 15:35.10 | Hebron | and sambastatus says NT_ STATUS_ACCES_DENIED |
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| 15:35.42 | Hebron | but al users have ful read write acces |
| 15:36.23 | Hebron | DammitJim that about all i can tell |
| 15:37.00 | DammitJim | can you provide a user and password for that box just to test? |
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| 15:37.53 | DammitJim | Hebron, you are doing mount -t cifs <server share> <mount point> ? |
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| 15:38.22 | Hebron | DamnitJim yes and il try |
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| 15:43.16 | ctmjr | i5um41ru: i do not know how this rufus thing works but unless someone else has an idea i would reinstall with the netinstall image and "cp" to write it to the usb stick or "win32diskimager" if your on windows |
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| 15:45.44 | i5um41ru | ctmjr: there is no option to make bootable device rather than usin windows, because most people here use pirated windows -_- |
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| 15:46.02 | i5um41ru | ctmjr: and I need to install my notebook with Debian :) 8 |
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| 15:46.14 | i5um41ru | ctmjr: not i nedd, but must |
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| 15:46.33 | matthiaskrgr | ok, I think it worked now \o/ |
| 15:46.43 | matthiaskrgr | I was searching in the wrong area for the menu |
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| 15:49.17 | GPenguin | congrats on the release! |
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| 15:49.52 | GPenguin | 1 day after my birthday. too bad :P |
| 15:49.59 | ctmjr | i5um41ru: then use this http://sourceforge.net/projects/win32diskimager/ it is for windows i have never used it but see it recommended all the time in here |
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| 15:50.46 | i5um41ru | ctmjr: well, give it a try :) |
| 15:50.57 | GPenguin | no, wait. 25th of april?? |
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| 15:55.52 | shay_shay | Rufus looks like a unetbootin clone |
| 15:56.13 | Hebron | DammitJim i get can't read superblock |
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| 15:56.23 | DammitJim | paste the error |
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| 15:56.51 | g105b | How do I run a process as if it were a service? I want to run a server application, but I don't want it to end when I log off. |
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| 15:58.20 | Hebron | Mount: //192.168.0.80/Data: can't read superblock |
| 15:58.33 | ksk | g105b: the easiest approch was using "screen", the cleaner? way might to daemonize your serice - take a look at google ;) |
| 15:58.46 | Hebron | DammitJim that is the error |
| 15:59.10 | DammitJim | and what was your full command? |
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| 15:59.40 | shay_shay | g105b: run it in a subshell: (command) & |
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| 15:59.59 | shay_shay | the parenthesis make the subshell |
| 16:00.47 | g105b | shay_shay: interesting, didn't know about that. so if I log off, the process continues? Who owns the process? |
| 16:01.00 | shay_shay | g105b: the way that works is it prevents the process from becoming a child of the shell |
| 16:01.15 | shay_shay | you own the process, its not a child of bash or your sah session |
| 16:01.24 | Hebron | DammitJim Sudo mount -t cifs //192.168.0.80/Data -o username=test,password=test /mnt/data |
| 16:01.27 | shay_shay | s/say/ssh |
| 16:01.32 | shay_shay | gah |
| 16:02.00 | shay_shay | forgot to disable autocorrect , hah |
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| 16:02.56 | shay_shay | g105b: when you ssh in, bash becomes a child of ssh and everything you run that is not in a subshell becomes a child of bash |
| 16:03.22 | g105b | shay_shay: I see, thanks for explaining |
| 16:03.23 | DammitJim | Hebron, do you have cifs-utils? |
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| 16:06.21 | Hebron | DammitJim no |
| 16:06.53 | DammitJim | please install that |
| 16:06.55 | DammitJim | it will help you |
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| 16:10.04 | Hebron | DammitJim ok but why do some shares mount without it |
| 16:10.30 | DammitJim | I do not know the answer to that question |
| 16:10.43 | Hebron | the mounts that work are mbr and that dont are gpt |
| 16:10.50 | DammitJim | you mean other shares on the same windows server? |
| 16:11.06 | Hebron | ok ill guess i try this theory too |
| 16:11.13 | Hebron | yes |
| 16:11.29 | Hebron | the ones on mbr drive work |
| 16:11.39 | DammitJim | maybe the file system is different? |
| 16:11.42 | Hebron | GPT Dont |
| 16:11.53 | Hebron | nope all ntfs |
| 16:13.05 | Hebron | ok is installed |
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| 16:13.26 | Hebron | now same command gives input/ output error |
| 16:13.40 | DammitJim | paste the error |
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| 16:13.51 | DammitJim | can you access the share from another windows machine? |
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| 16:14.30 | Hebron | DammitJim mounterr |
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| 16:15.22 | DammitJim | the full thing |
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| 16:15.23 | Hebron | DammitJim mount error(5): Input/Output error |
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| 16:15.41 | DammitJim | what does google tell you about that error? |
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| 16:16.57 | DammitJim | I am not sure at this time... maybe someone else can help you |
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| 16:19.17 | DingoSaar | to the maintainer of dpkg: "openrc" also has a channel here, #openrc |
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| 16:19.41 | DingoSaar | (the dpkg bot here, not the package manager) |
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| 16:22.25 | Hebron | DammitJim ok thanks atleast the cifs utils helped i think |
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| 16:22.48 | Hebron | maybe i can do something about this error |
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| 16:24.42 | pivA | anyone know where I can find the backported docker.io package? I depended on it in a docker image for our Jenkins server and since it was removed from the main package listing I can not rebuild this image :/ |
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| 16:25.56 | JohnnyL | What ports do i need open for apt-get install? |
| 16:26.41 | ksk | JohnnyL: http or ftp, depending on what you have in your sources.list. http probably |
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| 16:27.05 | sydney_untangle | Can someone explain Debian's support periods for stable releases to me? |
| 16:27.49 | JohnnyL | ksk: ok |
| 16:27.59 | sydney_untangle | Im confused. I hear stuff all over and its all diferent. |
| 16:28.10 | JohnnyL | so 80,21,20 |
| 16:28.24 | thunderWilly | jessie with gnome3. wow. i think i dont get the "new way" without using a destop and stuff. |
| 16:28.31 | anddam | when using vsftpd can I get rid of the "ftp" user I created for package ftpd? |
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| 16:30.17 | sydney_untangle | Never mind. |
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| 16:38.30 | ancky | hi I updated to debian testing a month ago and now I get this message that my hardwarclock is out of sync on every startup |
| 16:39.00 | ancky | something like this: superblock last write time is in the future. FIXED |
| 16:39.45 | ancky | I checked the time in bios and the battery still works, if I compare date and hwclock -r they are one second off, what can I do to fix that? |
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| 16:41.44 | blonkel | how to send a message to all logged in users? |
| 16:41.49 | blonkel | even if they are running ssh? |
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| 16:43.06 | Amun_Ra | blonkel: there was a tool years ago: wall |
| 16:43.17 | blonkel | thank you :) |
| 16:43.23 | Amun_Ra | yw :> |
| 16:43.47 | Amun_Ra | remembers "talk" conversations⦠;> |
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| 16:44.16 | Amun_Ra | ⦠http://36.media.tumblr.com/ec9fcf3d1d5235fd7147b32d91697c22/tumblr_nbnp3jDlwH1sd04c8o1_500.png |
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| 16:49.44 | ancky | I tried hwclock -r --localtime but its still off, any idea for what I have to look? |
| 16:49.58 | ancky | can the hwclock and software clock be in different time zones? |
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| 16:51.30 | asix3 | hello, I've got an external AOC monitor I'm trying to connect, but I can't find a displaylink driver for debian. I'm also not great at searching packages. Does anyone know anything about this? |
| 16:51.38 | asix3 | it's an external usb monitor |
| 16:53.16 | asix3 | I found libdlo, but that doesn't look like it ever went anywhere |
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| 16:54.14 | asix3 | seems like ubuntu may support displaylink... |
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| 16:56.33 | asuh | Hay |
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| 16:58.14 | asix3 | http://libdlo.freedesktop.org <-- is this the best I'm going to get? |
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| 17:00.45 | rozie | hello. I have problem with Debian unstable and fglrx. http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/168162/invisible-cursor-after-fglrx-install-debian-jessie describes it very well |
| 17:01.21 | rozie | I use LXDE, but it seems to be irrelevant. any ideas how to debug? |
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| 17:04.03 | dontknow | my computer frozen while mpv playing. where should i look to specify the problem? |
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| 17:04.55 | Iridos | the whole computer or just the graphical interface |
| 17:05.16 | Iridos | try to log in via ssh or switch to a virtual console with ctrl-alt-f1 |
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| 17:06.00 | dontknow | Iridos, i was hearing the sound but image was frozen and i couldn't switch to ctrl+alt+f1 |
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| 17:06.39 | dontknow | but i pressed ctrl+alt+del and it made the sound stop |
| 17:07.15 | Iridos | ctrl+alt+del would only work on the text console... the graphical client catches it |
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| 17:07.34 | dontknow | but other key combinations didn't work. so i had to use power button |
| 17:07.58 | Iridos | dontknow, well, that one may be useful to somewhat safely shut down https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key |
| 17:08.11 | dontknow | Iridos, mpv was started using terminal. is it related then? |
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| 17:09.21 | Iridos | *shrug* only you know what exactly you did in which sequence... ctrl-alt-del works on the text consoles but not while you're running X |
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| 17:09.46 | mrsnoob | Helloooo! |
| 17:11.32 | dontknow | Iridos, it froze the computer couple of times. so i want to find the problem |
| 17:11.42 | dontknow | even tough it is rare |
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| 17:12.01 | dontknow | and i have no sysrq key :( |
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| 17:12.21 | Iridos | dpkg, netconsole |
| 17:12.21 | dpkg | netconsole is a Linux kernel driver which logs kernel <printk> messages over UDP. It is commonly used to capture system crash information. http://kernel.org/doc/Documentation/networking/netconsole.txt . See also <serial console>. |
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| 17:13.50 | dontknow | it is also probably related that i backported the testing version of mpv |
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| 17:18.29 | acz32 | looks like mozilla.debian.net still hasn't been updated to reflect jessie being stable |
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| 17:20.55 | pivA | I'm trying to install docker from jessie-backports repo but it seems that the package is not even listed there, is that correct? I don't know if this listing is cached but it doesn't list anything with 'docker*': https://packages.debian.org/jessie-backports/allpackages?format=txt.gz |
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| 17:22.40 | bazhang | ,v docker |
| 17:22.42 | judd | Package: docker on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.4-5; wheezy: 1.4-5; jessie: 1.5-1; stretch: 1.5-1; sid: 1.5-1 |
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| 17:22.58 | Iridos | dontknow, if your computer isn't connected via wireless and you have a 2nd computer in the same net, you can try netconsole... although first thing to try would be to ssh into the machine that seems stuck and poke around |
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| 17:23.50 | dontknow | Iridos, thanks. but i would rather forget about the problem lol |
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| 17:24.18 | Iridos | dontknow, if you think that'll make it go away... then you can do that |
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| 17:25.10 | dontknow | Iridos, i was wondering if there was a location that it would log |
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| 17:25.23 | Iridos | that depends if it's really frozen or not |
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| 17:25.49 | Iridos | checking /var/log/messages and/or /var/log/syslog would of course be the first thing |
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| 17:26.17 | pivA | docker is a KDE package for something, not docker for containers :/ in Debian it was docker.io before the removal from main and inclusion in backports |
| 17:26.20 | mrsnoob | Heeeey anybody know some channel with the topic "Wikileaks"? |
| 17:26.24 | dontknow | Iridos, i look at syslog but there is no mpv log |
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| 17:26.34 | pivA | but I think I'll need to drop installing it from apt and just running the shell script from the Docker team |
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| 17:27.48 | Iridos | dontknow, only daemons have logs... |
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| 17:28.15 | dontknow | Iridos, ok. thanks anyway |
| 17:28.18 | GPenguin | mrsnoob: kinda, hang on |
| 17:28.20 | bazhang | ,v docker.io |
| 17:28.21 | judd | Package: docker.io on amd64 -- sid: 1.3.3~dfsg1-2; experimental: 1.6.0+dfsg1-1~exp1 |
| 17:28.23 | teraflop | ,v docker.io |
| 17:28.24 | judd | Package: docker.io on amd64 -- sid: 1.3.3~dfsg1-2; experimental: 1.6.0+dfsg1-1~exp1 |
| 17:28.33 | teraflop | pivA: ^ |
| 17:29.13 | teraflop | oh sorry i must have lag since i didnt see bazhang doing the same |
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| 17:29.24 | GPenguin | mrsnoob: try the irc network pirateirc.net |
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| 17:36.01 | pivA | teraflop: thank you, that's it |
| 17:36.06 | Computer_barf | im trying to add a command to application autostart but I want it to run within a particular folder, how can I do that? |
| 17:36.08 | Iridos | dont... |
| 17:36.17 | PhoenixSTF | hey I have a debian 8 with a issue on default charset on apache2.4, it does not get the AddDefaultCharset ISO-8859-1 in the sites-enable/site.conf and uses the UTF-8 |
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| 17:37.54 | spacebison | Is there a way to get the application type/categories submenu back in Gnome 3 on Debian 8? It seems to have been removed in this release. The right sidebar in this old screenshot is what I'm asking about: http://blog.fpmurphy.com/blog-images/gnome3cust1-7.png |
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| 17:38.41 | asix3 | OK, I'm following this guide: https://gist.github.com/colindean/3d206b6ca1fe4349bc86 |
| 17:38.41 | Computer_barf | spacebison: yes I believe there is a legacy setting somehwere |
| 17:38.50 | asix3 | running dmesg doesn't show any udl or udlfb messages |
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| 17:45.33 | likecolacola | is it truth that you need an nvidia graphic card to install steam chat in linux? |
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| 17:45.49 | likecolacola | 500gb disk :S? |
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| 17:46.16 | bazhang | http://blogs.valvesoftware.com/linux/steamd-penguins/ likecolacola |
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| 17:47.27 | `alexandr | where do i check reported bugs for the debian 8 installer? |
| 17:47.33 | `alexandr | i think i found one |
| 17:47.43 | bertas | has someone multi instance memcached startup/shutdown working in jessie? |
| 17:47.44 | somiaj | !debian installer |
| 17:47.44 | dpkg | Debian 8 "Jessie" is now the "stable" Debian release. See http://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/debian-installer/ for images. Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ . If you want to make custom install CDs, start with d-i. IRC: #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net. See also <errata>, <g-i>. |
| 17:48.07 | bazhang | ,v apport |
| 17:48.08 | judd | Package: apport on amd64 -- experimental: 2.15.1-3; experimental: 2.16.2-1; experimental: 2.16.2-2; experimental: 2.17.2-1 |
| 17:48.18 | somiaj | bertas: there is a package you can file them against on the BTS, I think it just debian-installer, but those links may give you better info. |
| 17:48.41 | `alexandr | very cool, thank you! |
| 17:51.31 | shay_shay | likecolacola: you can use bitlbee for that |
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| 17:51.55 | shay_shay | or libpurple if I'm not mistaken |
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| 17:53.53 | likecolacola | shay_shay, thanks i am looking into it |
| 17:54.47 | Computer_barf | im trying to add a command to application autostart but I want it to run within a particular folder, how can I do that? |
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| 17:56.03 | teraflop | Computer_barf: autostart where? the DE? |
| 17:56.57 | spacebison | Computer_barf, it looks like it got removed and replaced with a program that's not in the Jessie repo. http://www.gauthampdas.com/blog/tech/linux/enabling-categories-in-gnome-3-8-shell-application-menu |
| 17:56.57 | shay_shay | the .desktop spec has a provision for executing from a specific directory |
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| 17:57.31 | Computer_barf | teraflop: yes |
| 17:57.49 | teraflop | Computer_barf: what DE? |
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| 17:58.05 | Computer_barf | umm.. im in debian wheezy |
| 17:58.27 | Computer_barf | "session and startup" |
| 17:58.34 | anddam | Computer_barf: are you in a graphical session? |
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| 17:58.44 | teraflop | Computer_barf: what desktop environment? |
| 17:58.54 | Computer_barf | anddam: yes , there is a field for "command" |
| 17:59.07 | anddam | Computer_barf: you're answering to some different question |
| 17:59.08 | Computer_barf | teraflop: i think xfce |
| 17:59.20 | teraflop | Computer_barf: ^ |
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| 17:59.54 | Computer_barf | is xfce a desktop enviroment? |
| 18:00.02 | anddam | indeed it is |
| 18:00.09 | Computer_barf | ok so that |
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| 18:01.45 | teraflop | Computer_barf: well, that's the minimal information you have to offer in order to get help |
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| 18:03.30 | Computer_barf | ok so if im in debian wheezy using xfce and im in session and startup, and I'm creating an application autostart, how would i format a specific command in a specific folder? |
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| 18:04.44 | teraflop | Computer_barf: you mean start an app from a folder or start a script located in a specific folder? |
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| 18:06.35 | teraflop | the former I think must be something like nautilus %U or the like, the latter specifying the full path |
| 18:07.05 | Computer_barf | im trying to run this command ". scripts/rip-environment" from within ~/linuxcnc-dev |
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| 18:07.29 | teraflop | Computer_barf: tried the full path? |
| 18:07.36 | Computer_barf | normally i have to issue this command every time before I run linuxcnc, but i would like to have it run automatically |
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| 18:09.28 | Computer_barf | full path? |
| 18:09.43 | Computer_barf | of what? |
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| 18:10.47 | Guest83475 | Hello, Yesterday I upgraded wheezy to jessie by following the release notes chapter 4, but now when I do a `aptitude update` I get URLs containing wheezy in them: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/505bd97c/ , my sources.list: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/88731aa0/ , is this OK, how can I remove the wheezy URLs? |
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| 18:13.11 | Guest83475 | I should also mention that the upgrade process went fine |
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| 18:14.16 | shay_shay | Computer_barf: the .desktop spec has a thing called PATH= |
| 18:14.34 | teraflop | Computer_barf: that sounds to me like a python virtual env? is something like that? |
| 18:15.34 | ChrisH | Guest22025: check /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ I had the same |
| 18:15.39 | shay_shay | make a .desktop http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/desktop-entry-spec-latest.html |
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| 18:22.34 | Zero_Chaos | in a land of stupid questions, I know this one is pretty high up there, but what package owns "awk"? I can't figure it out with dpkg -S or dpkg-query -S |
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| 18:23.47 | shay_shay | coreutils |
| 18:23.58 | Zero_Chaos | shay_shay: how do I confirm this? |
| 18:24.01 | shay_shay | use apt-file |
| 18:24.23 | zh1 | how can i lock sceen on debian jessie via terminal when i remote access? |
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| 18:25.54 | TheSov | I know this question isnt directly related to debian, but I want to use a raspberry pi as an RDP think client. how on earth would i start with just "rdesktop -f 10.1.1.10" and no window manager? |
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| 18:26.14 | ChrisH | Zero_Chaos: aptitude search awk ? |
| 18:26.28 | valdyn | !matchbox |
| 18:26.28 | dpkg | methinks matchbox is a open-source base environment for the X Window System running on non-desktop embedded platforms. http://matchbox-project.org/ #matchbox on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 18:26.37 | Zero_Chaos | shay_shay: root@pwnix-c03fd561b755:/opt/pwnix# apt-file search `which awk` |
| 18:26.38 | Zero_Chaos | sloccount: /usr/bin/awk_count |
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| 18:26.42 | valdyn | TheSov: you need a wm |
| 18:26.45 | peterrooney | Zero_Chaos: this can be complicated by several packages providing 'awk' - try "ls -al /etc/alternatives/awk" |
| 18:26.49 | shay_shay | Zero_Chaos: sorry its gawk |
| 18:27.12 | peterrooney | Zero_Chaos: it could also be mawk |
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| 18:27.34 | Zero_Chaos | it is mawk |
| 18:27.35 | ChrisH | Zero_Chaos: and check ls -l /usr/bin/awk /etc/alternatives/awk |
| 18:27.43 | TheSov | valdyn, how do i get the rasbian window manager to only load rdesktop then? I dont want it to show menus and such |
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| 18:27.57 | valdyn | !kiosk |
| 18:27.58 | dpkg | rumour has it, kiosk is /bin/su -c "/usr/bin/X11/startx" - kiosk (/usr/sbin/kiosk); kk:2345:respawn:/usr/sbin/kiosk (/etc/inittab); telinit q, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/webkiosk/ |
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| 18:28.01 | Zero_Chaos | shay_shay: peterrooney: ChrisH: thanks. |
| 18:28.25 | TheSov | kiosk? |
| 18:28.59 | valdyn | TheSov: that does something like what you want |
| 18:29.07 | valdyn | TheSov: as does matchbox |
| 18:29.15 | valdyn | TheSov: but i have no used any of these |
| 18:29.21 | TheSov | what happens if they quit the app? |
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| 18:29.36 | valdyn | TheSov: thats a trivial issue |
| 18:29.55 | TheSov | well the idea is that these will be thin clients i dont want them to be able to do anything other than rdp |
| 18:30.07 | valdyn | TheSov: "exec xrdp foo" as the last line in .xsession would for instance quit the desktop when you quit the app |
| 18:30.23 | TheSov | ahhh nice thanks! |
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| 18:31.43 | valdyn | TheSov: when your xsession script terminates, then the session closes, thats very simple |
| 18:32.03 | valdyn | TheSov: not that simple (for me) is restricting what users can do in X |
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| 18:38.25 | efdee | i can't seem to find the docker.io package on debian jessie. was it removed? |
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| 18:40.37 | TheSov | valdyn, so i put it in kiosk mode and put the rdesktop command in .xsession and that should be good? |
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| 18:47.35 | Remram | Hi! I noticed a pretty dramatic change in behavior in TAR between Jessie (GNU tar 1.27.1) and Wheezy (GNU tar 1.26) that I am not very happy about |
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| 18:48.08 | Remram | don't know if it's a bug, but it seems that the old --keep-old-files became --skip-old-files, and the new --keep-old-files acts pretty differently |
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| 18:48.21 | Remram | i.e. errors out where it previously didn't |
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| 18:48.35 | Remram | where do I direct my bug report? |
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| 18:49.51 | abrotman | Remram: use the "reportbug" program |
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| 18:50.24 | Iridos | Remram, there's "reportbug" in debian... but this actually sounds like Debian has nothing to do with it... so you might direct the bug to the coreutils-bug mailinglist(?) https://gnu.org/software/coreutils/ |
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| 19:00.43 | julius__ | hi |
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| 19:02.30 | julius__ | i need a lenny installation for some experimentation with older sotware, but when selecting the archive mirror it says me that it cant be used. i tried the first 10 mirrors in my country. |
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| 19:02.44 | julius__ | is there still a way to get a lenny working somehow? |
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| 19:03.02 | julius__ | what would i search for with a ftp search engine to find a valid mirror |
| 19:03.32 | Iridos | dpkg, lenny |
| 19:03.33 | dpkg | Lenny is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 5.0, released on February 15th, 2009. Lenny security support ended on 2012-02-06, this release is no longer supported. Lenny users should upgrade to Squeeze, ask me about <lenny->squeeze>. Removed from the mirrors (2012-03-25), ask me about <lenny sources.list>. For old Lenny ISOs, ask me about <lenny iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny http://www.debian.org/News/2012/20120209 |
| 19:04.09 | Remram | Iridos, abrotman: alright I submitted the bug (with tag "upstream") |
| 19:04.10 | Iridos | dpkg, lenny sources.list |
| 19:04.10 | dpkg | Debian 5.0 "Lenny" is no longer on the mirror network but can be found on archive.debian.org; you can use sources.list lines "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ lenny main" and "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian-security lenny/updates main". Realise that Lenny has not had security support since February 2012 and that you should upgrade to a newer, supported release. Ask me about <lenny->squeeze>. |
| 19:04.25 | Iridos | julius__, ^^^ |
| 19:04.25 | Remram | I know that at least Ubuntu is affected as well |
| 19:04.38 | julius__ | Iridos, yes i saw...just looking for useful information |
| 19:04.39 | Remram | I don't have time to track this down, I have to implement a very hideous workaround |
| 19:04.51 | julius__ | dpkg, lenny sources.list |
| 19:04.51 | dpkg | Debian 5.0 "Lenny" is no longer on the mirror network but can be found on archive.debian.org; you can use sources.list lines "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ lenny main" and "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian-security lenny/updates main". Realise that Lenny has not had security support since February 2012 and that you should upgrade to a newer, supported release. Ask me about <lenny->squeeze>. |
| 19:05.09 | Iridos | julius__, I already called that one just now :) |
| 19:05.40 | julius__ | oh...to much info...sorry didnt read |
| 19:05.44 | Iridos | :D |
| 19:06.26 | julius__ | so do i go in without archive mirror in the installer and add it later? |
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| 19:07.07 | abrotman | the bot has a tell feature |
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| 19:07.13 | Iridos | there should be an option to supply the line directly in the installer... |
| 19:07.33 | Iridos | if not... yes... I'd do the minimal install from the CD and then add the repo after the first reboot |
| 19:07.56 | julius__ | abrotman, was that for me? |
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| 19:08.19 | abrotman | julius__: and others |
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| 19:09.50 | Remram | Bug#784362 :( |
| 19:10.29 | julius__ | thx for now guys, need to go...be back later |
| 19:11.36 | Iridos | Remram, what does "man tar" way on --keep-old-files on jessie? |
| 19:12.03 | Iridos | wheezy says "don't replace existing files when extracting" |
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| 19:14.22 | Iridos | ah, seems like https://www.gnu.org/software/tar/manual/html_node/Keep-Old-Files.html |
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| 19:15.50 | cdb23ax | hello how can i change the dns server in debian live system? |
| 19:16.23 | cdb23ax | i cant edit the /etc/resolv.conf file because its a live environment and the dhcp server just gives me the wrong dns server |
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| 19:16.42 | ompaul | fixe the dhcp server |
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| 19:16.50 | Iridos | Remram, https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=799252 |
| 19:17.28 | ompaul | cbdev: otherwise you are into setting static and getting everything right |
| 19:17.40 | ompaul | cbdev: seems like too much effort for a live system |
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| 19:18.13 | cdb23ax | k how would i set the dns server with a console command |
| 19:18.26 | cdb23ax | i only know the /etc/resolv.conf method |
| 19:18.40 | Iridos | there is only resolv.conf |
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| 19:19.27 | incubus | Hi all. I just upgraded to debian jessie. Everything is working fine but then vpn with the office started suffering "a delay" before connecting (1 minute) and even if the connection is established, the gui reports an error. What am I doing wrong? |
| 19:19.59 | incubus | I forgot to mention 'm using xl2tpd and openswan. |
| 19:21.25 | Iridos | dpkg, tell cdb23ax about override dns |
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| 19:22.58 | Iridos | you only cannot edit it directly if the dhcp-client keeps overwriting it, but have to change it via that client |
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| 19:23.30 | dondelelcaro | you're better of using resolvconf in that case |
| 19:24.10 | dondelelcaro | !resolvconf |
| 19:24.11 | dpkg | resolvconf is, like, a package that can be used to manage your /etc/resolv.conf (the file that contains your DNS settings). Many packages including ppp, ifupdown, dhcp-client, pump, pdnsd, dnsmasq, ... are compatible with resolvconf, making it easier to manage your DNS settings. Ask me about <fixresolvconf>. See also <resolv.conf>. |
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| 19:24.44 | jil | hello |
| 19:25.42 | jil | What php5 module should I look for in apache2 enabled or available modules to have a simple php file execute in my wwwroot ? |
| 19:25.53 | jil | The apache2 server is working well. |
| 19:26.28 | jil | I don't know what more to check and I've not found good ressources on the net. |
| 19:27.03 | krav | resolvconf is the spawn of satan. |
| 19:27.06 | incubus | jil:what does a page with <? phpinfo ?> returns as output? |
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| 19:27.18 | krav | took me a day to figure out why my system kept deleting it's nameservers. |
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| 19:28.56 | jil | incubus: none. |
| 19:29.31 | jil | I get the white screen of death WSD is that the offical accronym :o) |
| 19:29.53 | incubus | jil: empty page or you can see the code if you open the source? apache error_log says anything like error 500 or something else? |
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| 19:31.48 | abrotman | jil: are you testing with a browser or wget/curl? |
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| 19:34.50 | jil | nothing in apache error log about error 500. I changed permission correctly I think |
| 19:34.59 | jil | I'm testing with a browser. |
| 19:35.14 | jil | I think I have to look for WSOD recepise |
| 19:35.29 | abrotman | I'd try to use wget or curl |
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| 19:36.52 | incubus | not so long ago, i waste about 1 hour trying to figure out what was wrong and in the end, it was the "short open tag" in php.ini (default false, changed to true). |
| 19:37.23 | jil | OHOH that's looks good. Let me check |
| 19:37.52 | jil | in my test file I only have <?php phpinfo(); ?> that should work right. |
| 19:37.59 | incubus | yep |
| 19:38.53 | incubus | if you're using a browser, and ctrl+u shows you the code, it means the php module is not loaded. |
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| 19:39.25 | jil | yes but php_cgi is loaded. |
| 19:39.37 | jeffreylevesque | does debian use ffmpeg or libav? |
| 19:39.37 | daniel3_ | So I noticed when updating my sid workstation, it removed task-kde-desktop. Something change in that matter? |
| 19:40.17 | jil | short open tag is on |
| 19:40.20 | incubus | why php cgi? |
| 19:41.11 | jil | I have in apache2 mods-enabled php_cgi.conf et .load |
| 19:41.12 | zykotick9 | jeffreylevesque: avconv isn't in debian 8 <- as i said in #u |
| 19:41.32 | zykotick9 | jeffreylevesque: sorry s/avconv/ffmepg/ |
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| 19:42.05 | jil | incubus: I don't really know what module should be loaded to have the php file work. I guess it was php_cgi.load |
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| 19:42.21 | nbt | jil: do you have libapache2-mod-php5 package installed? |
| 19:42.21 | incubus | i've never user php-cgi. if it's not "required" i would remove it and install php5 (apt-get install php5). |
| 19:42.37 | nbt | it should "just work" if you install that |
| 19:42.52 | NoImNotNineVolt | i would just remove php entirely, as it's a security nightmare, but that's just my opinion. |
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| 19:43.22 | jil | heu... dpkg -l |grep libapache2 should show it right. and it does not so I'll fixe that now. Thx |
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| 19:43.52 | jil | NoImNotNineVolt: I hear you thx |
| 19:45.43 | jil | nbt: That was it. Thank you. |
| 19:47.08 | teraflop | NoImNotNineVolt: I see. you love PHP as much as I do |
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| 19:57.47 | Remram | Iridos: yes, I fear that it used to work, then didn't, then the last change is behavior was actually restoring old behavior |
| 19:57.52 | Remram | which obviously doesn't help me one bit |
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| 19:58.55 | Remram | Iridos: I found an even older bug report (2003, no reply...) where someone complains that --keep-old-files errors out, and that there is no way to do what --skip-old-files now does: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=192906 |
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| 20:02.01 | xingu | jessie's squid package really really doesn't like port 3128 being used for intercept (aka transparent proxy) |
| 20:02.27 | xingu | I found this out after oom killing a wheezy upgrade. :) |
| 20:03.08 | BadCodSmell | The following packages have been kept back: |
| 20:03.09 | BadCodSmell | why? |
| 20:05.04 | babilen | dpkg: tell BadCodSmell -about kept back |
| 20:05.09 | babilen | dpkg: tell BadCodSmell -about bat |
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| 20:06.05 | BadCodSmell | babilen none of that seems to help |
| 20:06.11 | BadCodSmell | I need to know the actual reason |
| 20:06.26 | Pixionus | dpkg: tell Pixionus -about kept back |
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| 20:06.46 | Pixionus | dpkg: tell Pixionus -about bat |
| 20:06.51 | greycat | BadCodSmell: what command did you type, and what does the output say? |
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| 20:08.27 | BadCodSmell | Actually -s helps surprisingly. |
| 20:08.28 | babilen | dpkg: tell Pixionus -about selftell |
| 20:08.30 | BadCodSmell | Thanks. |
| 20:09.06 | babilen | BadCodSmell: And we really need more information about your actual problem if you want us to help you. If you don't provide those then all people can do is provode general advice. |
| 20:09.14 | babilen | (hence <bat>) |
| 20:09.14 | Pixionus | fair enough babilen. Sorry and thanks |
| 20:09.18 | babilen | np |
| 20:10.07 | BadCodSmell | babilen normally most people just say "just dist upgrate, or force, etc) and the first link from the bot is that |
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| 20:10.42 | Pixionus | BadCodSmell: I'm interested to know a little more on how this works for future reference. Could you name one package that was held back? |
| 20:10.49 | Pixionus | I just want to read about it |
| 20:11.11 | BadCodSmell | It's a custom package. Proprietry. |
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| 20:11.16 | Pixionus | ah |
| 20:11.30 | BadCodSmell | The control was broken and depending on an extraneous non-existent package. |
| 20:11.57 | Pixionus | and -s helped you see that? |
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| 20:12.13 | BadCodSmell | aptitude -s |
| 20:12.26 | greycat | In the past, there have been BIND security updates that were so egregious they could only be implemented by moving to a new upstream version, with new shared lib versions, even during stable. When those happened, you could get dns-utils and so on held back if you only used apt-get upgrade. |
| 20:12.26 | Pixionus | Oh I see. so that package would be in square brackets in the output |
| 20:13.08 | BadCodSmell | I honestly thing the mesage "to see why use aptitude -s" should be included with apt-get when kept back is show although maybe -v shows it/the reason inline anyway |
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| 20:21.30 | BadCodSmell | I have one final question |
| 20:21.42 | BadCodSmell | I accidentally upgraded a box to debian 8 |
| 20:21.47 | BadCodSmell | how can I downgrade it? |
| 20:22.06 | greycat | reinstall |
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| 20:23.02 | BadCodSmell | I expected as much. |
| 20:23.22 | BadCodSmell | I have a script that kind of does it but I wouldn't trust it for anything more than when a few packages go over. |
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| 20:26.00 | ahop | How to launch "python /media/test.py" if this file exists, else launch "python ~/test.py" |
| 20:26.15 | ahop | can I do this in bash or in a .sh file? |
| 20:26.32 | greycat | In sh? if [ -f "/media/test.py" ]; then python /media/test.py; else python ~/test.py; fi |
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| 20:27.10 | ahop | greycat: I don't know if I should do it in sh |
| 20:27.16 | ahop | I need to put that in: |
| 20:27.29 | ahop | [Service] |
| 20:27.29 | ahop | ExecStart=/usr/bin/python2 /root/samplerbox.py |
| 20:27.33 | ahop | Type=oneshot |
| 20:27.43 | ahop | (ie a systemd .service file) |
| 20:27.45 | greycat | Oh, in a systemd service definition? I don't know those well enough. |
| 20:28.00 | ahop | yes |
| 20:28.05 | greycat | Wouldn't ~/ just be /root? |
| 20:28.15 | ahop | yes |
| 20:28.17 | valdyn | why would you not write it in sh? |
| 20:28.26 | ahop | valdyn I don't know at al |
| 20:28.31 | ahop | how would you do? |
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| 20:28.35 | ahop | do a .sh file ? |
| 20:28.46 | ahop | or paste the whole thing directly in ExecStart= |
| 20:28.56 | greycat | Why would a systemd service definition be looking for things that may or may not exist, and looking in home direcories? |
| 20:28.59 | valdyn | ahop: of course a sh |
| 20:29.36 | valdyn | ahop: but see what greycat said |
| 20:29.44 | ahop | valdyn: ExecStart=/root/test.sh <-- is that correct? |
| 20:29.58 | valdyn | ahop: yes |
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| 20:30.09 | ahop | and test.sh contains just one line : if [ -f "/media/test.py" ]; then python /media/test.py; else python ~/test.py; fi |
| 20:30.17 | ahop | ? |
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| 20:30.46 | valdyn | ahop: yes, thats good enough |
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| 20:30.52 | greycat | no, a script should contain at least a shebang #!/bin/sh and your exec whatever command, and should have 755 permissions |
| 20:30.52 | ahop | greycat: it's for www.samplerbox.org/blog : by default it runs the default program |
| 20:31.03 | valdyn | ahop: but this hole thing seems really questionable |
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| 20:31.19 | ahop | but if a SD card is present with a newer .py program, it should run this .py |
| 20:31.25 | ahop | it's an embedded computer: www.samplerbox.org/blog |
| 20:31.34 | ahop | headless, and non-network connected |
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| 20:32.33 | valdyn | ahop: if you showed us the whole script, then its probably going to run to early |
| 20:34.58 | ahop | valdyn no, it currently works |
| 20:34.58 | SKlogo | How do you guys go about verifying all the latest drivers are installed after performing a fresh install? |
| 20:34.58 | ahop | with |
| 20:34.58 | ahop | ExecStart=/usr/bin/python2 /root/samplerbox.py |
| 20:34.58 | ahop | so it should work as well with check if /media/samplerbox.py exists or fallback to /root/samplerbox.py |
| 20:34.59 | greycat | I would not put "things that are supposed to run at boot time" in /root. |
| 20:34.59 | greycat | /root, for me, is usually just a long-term /tmp |
| 20:34.59 | ahop | greycat yes I'll need to clean these things later |
| 20:34.59 | ahop | for me too |
| 20:34.59 | ahop | it's just prototype |
| 20:35.59 | SKlogo | I mean... are things just kinda suppose to work out of the box? |
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| 20:36.10 | valdyn | SKlogo: yes |
| 20:36.28 | valdyn | SKlogo: most people dont care to have the latest anything |
| 20:36.44 | greycat | "latest drivers" means a lot less in Linux than it does in Windows |
| 20:37.11 | SKlogo | valdyn: Just figured that it would mean the difference in my pc running more efficiently |
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| 20:37.30 | SKlogo | greycat: And yes, i am a rookie admin in IT and work in a windows domained env |
| 20:37.32 | SKlogo | lol |
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| 20:37.44 | SKlogo | greycat: decided to pick up linux about 6 months ago |
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| 20:38.13 | ahop | Why is bash used by default |
| 20:38.21 | ahop | and scripts use .sh ? and not bash ? |
| 20:38.25 | greycat | It's the default *user* shell, not the default /bin/sh shell. |
| 20:38.37 | greycat | In Debian /bin/sh points to dash by default. |
| 20:38.40 | SKlogo | greycat: I notice my CPU resources stay around 50% when running movies from my local disk. But i guess that isn't too big of a deal if one is using full disk encryption |
| 20:38.42 | SKlogo | xD |
| 20:38.51 | ahop | greycat: to bash? |
| 20:38.58 | greycat | dash, with a d |
| 20:39.03 | ahop | arghh |
| 20:39.05 | ahop | a third one? |
| 20:39.15 | ahop | bash != sh != dash ? |
| 20:39.23 | greycat | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 Nov 8 08:49 /bin/sh -> dash |
| 20:39.34 | NoImNotNineVolt | sh == dash |
| 20:39.40 | Agent_Isai | Hi, I was logging into my system when suddenly the screen turned black and there was only a white "_" left, SSH still works. What do I do (and can I avoid restarting?)? |
| 20:39.43 | ahop | argh |
| 20:39.49 | greycat | 'sh' is more of a standard than an actual implementation |
| 20:39.54 | greycat | dash and bash are both implementations |
| 20:39.59 | ahop | so user shell is bash |
| 20:40.09 | NoImNotNineVolt | no on debian, no. |
| 20:40.09 | ahop | and scripts file (.sh) are done with dash? |
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| 20:40.19 | NoImNotNineVolt | why aren't bash and dash under alternatives? |
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| 20:40.23 | ryouma | Agent_Isai: just a guess, but did you try the other vt's? |
| 20:40.24 | greycat | A script can be run with whatever you tell it do use. In the shebang line. |
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| 20:40.38 | ahop | greycat: i'm a newbie about this |
| 20:40.43 | greycat | If your script does not require bash features, then you SHOULD use #!/bin/sh and stick with portable syntax. |
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| 20:40.43 | ahop | what's the most common case |
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| 20:40.57 | ryouma | Agent_Isai: try the f7 vt |
| 20:40.57 | Agent_Isai | ryouma: no |
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| 20:41.05 | ahop | scripts usually use #!/bin/sh => sh => dash |
| 20:41.06 | ahop | right? |
| 20:41.20 | greycat | It depends. But almost all boot scripts use #!/bin/sh |
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| 20:41.31 | ahop | whereas, as a user, i write commands in bash, right? |
| 20:41.41 | ahop | why these 2 different things? |
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| 20:41.50 | ahop | historical reason? |
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| 20:41.54 | greycat | Dash is very small and fast. Bash is not. |
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| 20:41.54 | NoImNotNineVolt | as a user, you're probably writing commands in dash. |
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| 20:42.39 | NoImNotNineVolt | ah, false. sorry. my passwd shows my login users default shell as bash! |
| 20:42.42 | NoImNotNineVolt | today i learned. |
| 20:42.57 | greycat | Bash has a lot of convenience features like tab completion. |
| 20:43.04 | ahop | oh right |
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| 20:43.17 | ahop | so dash / sh is the "mother" of sh |
| 20:43.22 | ahop | and bash adds some additions |
| 20:43.23 | NoImNotNineVolt | i was under the [false] impression that dash was just bash but tweaked to conform to debian-policy. |
| 20:43.29 | ahop | like TeX => LaTeX ? |
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| 20:43.41 | NoImNotNineVolt | ahop: https://wiki.debian.org/Shell |
| 20:43.48 | greycat | "sh" is a standard common feature set. dash implements those and not much more. bash implements a whole lot of extra features. |
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| 20:44.06 | NoImNotNineVolt | i'm still wondering why these shells aren't all under alternatives. |
| 20:44.11 | NoImNotNineVolt | isn't that exactly what alternatives is for? |
| 20:44.15 | GreeningGalaxy | Hi, I have a problem with unicode entry - i can't type characters with control-shift-u |
| 20:44.29 | GreeningGalaxy | I thought it was just GNOME being GNOME at first, but it's followed me into XFCE. |
| 20:44.38 | greycat | NoImNotNineVolt: read "dpkg --status dash" .... |
| 20:44.54 | ahop | ok |
| 20:45.04 | greycat | (not about the alternatives question. about the earlier stuff.) |
| 20:45.09 | NoImNotNineVolt | ah ;) |
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| 20:45.22 | NoImNotNineVolt | indeed, i always target classic sh anyway :P |
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| 20:45.34 | NoImNotNineVolt | but good info. definitely not something i was aware of. |
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| 20:45.40 | GreeningGalaxy | googling only shows a whole bunch of ubuntu threads helpfully explaining the existence of ctrl-shift-u; there's nothing about it not working. |
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| 20:47.54 | GreeningGalaxy | anyone? |
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| 20:48.19 | greycat | has no idea what ctrl-shift-u is, or which application implements it (terminal? window manager?) |
| 20:48.36 | GreeningGalaxy | it's supposed to be standard to xorg. |
| 20:48.52 | GreeningGalaxy | KDE has broken it for a long time and nobody can be bothered to fix it (i have no clue where to start, I didn't design it) |
| 20:49.04 | GreeningGalaxy | but it hasn't given me trouble globally before |
| 20:49.46 | GreeningGalaxy | setting GTK_IM_MODULE kind of helped in GNOME, but it doesn't seem to do anything in XFCE |
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| 20:49.58 | teraflop | GreeningGalaxy: you mean in xfce4-terminal? what does _does not work_ in your context means |
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| 20:51.38 | GreeningGalaxy | I press control-shift-u. Expected behavior: underlined 'u' appears, can then release keys and type unicode address, then press enter to type that character. Current behavior: system does not react at all, typing unicode address with or without keys held down results in the unicode address being typed as plain text. |
| 20:52.10 | GreeningGalaxy | I expect that to work everywhere I can type text. It currently works nowhere. |
| 20:52.20 | teraflop | heh |
| 20:52.35 | greycat | This is the first time I've ever heard of such a thing. |
| 20:52.57 | ahop | Something else: is there a way to know **all the modified files** of the whole FS since I installed Linux (with an image) |
| 20:53.09 | GreeningGalaxy | I've been using it since Squeeze/GNOME 2, where it worked out of the box. |
| 20:53.14 | ahop | ie I have done some small modifications here and here in the whole FS |
| 20:53.17 | GreeningGalaxy | on xubuntu it currently works fine |
| 20:53.24 | ahop | but now I would like to collect all these custom files |
| 20:53.26 | ahop | backup them |
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| 20:53.29 | GreeningGalaxy | including in KDE applications, where i've never gotten it to work elsewhere |
| 20:53.31 | ahop | do a fresh install of linux |
| 20:53.39 | valdyn | GreeningGalaxy: which terminal are you using? |
| 20:53.42 | ahop | and just keep this custom files... do you see what I mean? |
| 20:53.42 | GreeningGalaxy | Guake. |
| 20:53.58 | valdyn | GreeningGalaxy: so its not supported in guake |
| 20:54.00 | GreeningGalaxy | but that shouldn't be relevant, because I'd like a global solution |
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| 20:54.05 | greycat | ahop: If you know precisely *when* you installed, you could touch a file with that precise timestamp, then do something like "find / -xdev -newer /root/my-timestamp-file" |
| 20:54.11 | valdyn | GreeningGalaxy: this is not a global feature |
| 20:54.32 | greycat | ahop: (and repeat for any other file systems you want to search that are mounted inside root) |
| 20:54.34 | GreeningGalaxy | ok.... so how come it works /everywhere/, including Guake, on Xubuntu? |
| 20:54.50 | GreeningGalaxy | well, not everywhere. not in the bare tty. |
| 20:54.52 | NoImNotNineVolt | i'm new to the ctrl-shift-u thing |
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| 20:54.54 | NoImNotNineVolt | but it works fine here. |
| 20:55.03 | valdyn | GreeningGalaxy: and not in xterm either. I dont know guake |
| 20:55.14 | ahop | greycat isn't there a file that could play the mytimestampfile? |
| 20:55.14 | greycat | Does not work in urxvt in fvwm. |
| 20:55.24 | greycat | ahop: why would there be one? |
| 20:55.33 | GreeningGalaxy | I seem to recall something saying that it's supposed to be handled by X11 |
| 20:55.44 | valdyn | hah |
| 20:55.47 | valdyn | X11 handles nothing |
| 20:55.57 | valdyn | and it certainly does not talk unicode |
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| 20:56.14 | ahop | ok btw won't work |
| 20:56.22 | ahop | I'm currently doing it on a RPi |
| 20:56.24 | teraflop | GreeningGalaxy: what can I say? it works here http://a.pomf.se/rtsskp.png |
| 20:56.33 | ahop | time is always nearly 1970 ;) |
| 20:56.36 | nbt | GreeningGalaxy: according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicode_input it's implemented by gtk+ |
| 20:56.43 | greycat | a screen shot is less useful than saying which terminal and WM you're in |
| 20:56.58 | ahop | greycat: any other idea than using time |
| 20:57.00 | valdyn | GreeningGalaxy: X11 is really a glorified framebuffer only, the way its used now |
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| 20:57.08 | GreeningGalaxy | so then how does it work everywhere in xubuntu? does xubuntu ship with all custom applications which each handle unicode individually? |
| 20:57.14 | teraflop | greycat: oh boy its gnome cant you see it? |
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| 20:57.20 | teraflop | ^ |
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| 20:57.32 | nbt | GreeningGalaxy: you'll probably find it works in gtk+ apps but not other apps |
| 20:57.33 | teraflop | gnome-terminal too |
| 20:57.38 | valdyn | GreeningGalaxy: you are claiming things that you probably dont even know. IT may not work in xterm in xubuntu, for instance |
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| 20:58.06 | GreeningGalaxy | I have a computer running xubuntu right now, at home. |
| 20:58.15 | GreeningGalaxy | it worked last week, in xterm. |
| 20:58.23 | GreeningGalaxy | er, xfce terminal, whatever that is. |
| 20:58.29 | teraflop | ... teraflop ⸠GreeningGalaxy: you mean in xfce4-terminal? |
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| 20:58.41 | ahop | greycat or impossible without time |
| 20:58.45 | GreeningGalaxy | also guake. |
| 20:58.45 | teraflop | GreeningGalaxy: it works in xfce4-terminal too |
| 20:58.47 | GreeningGalaxy | and Kate. |
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| 20:58.59 | GreeningGalaxy | it works in none of those on my current Debian system. |
| 20:59.34 | GreeningGalaxy | argh, i have to run. brb |
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| 21:00.13 | valdyn | i tried, works in xfce4-terminal, at least jessie+ |
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| 21:00.31 | teraflop | valdyn: sure, it does |
| 21:00.34 | valdyn | so he probably tried in xterm |
| 21:00.39 | valdyn | because thats the same |
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| 21:00.44 | greycat | ahop: are you really asking "How can I determine when I installed Debiain"? |
| 21:01.02 | greycat | I don't know the answer to that one either, but someone else might. |
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| 21:03.50 | valdyn | pretty hard on a system with an rtc |
| 21:04.01 | valdyn | pretty hard on a system *without* an rtc |
| 21:04.18 | teraflop | greycat: i have a cat |
| 21:04.29 | karlpinc | ahop: You could, I suppose, install an identical debian (see the <aptitude clone> factoid) and then diff -ruN (or diff untarred copies, etc.) |
| 21:04.29 | greycat | I don't think there's any specific log of "An Installation Has Successfully Been Completed Right Now" anywhere. |
| 21:04.29 | teraflop | heh sorry forget that |
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| 21:04.49 | valdyn | theres a log in /var/log/installer |
| 21:04.59 | teraflop | damn buffers and tab completion that was a combo |
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| 21:05.33 | ahop | greycat: anyway i don't have time on my machine |
| 21:05.36 | karlpinc | Does the installer run ntpdate or something so the timestamp would be right? |
| 21:05.37 | valdyn | but timestamps on that are probablie in 1970 |
| 21:05.55 | ahop | it's a RPi and time restarts at 1970 Jan 1 on every boot |
| 21:05.56 | greycat | what do you mean "don't have time on my machine"? |
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| 21:06.05 | ahop | so using time won't work |
| 21:06.09 | ahop | I need another way |
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| 21:06.12 | valdyn | greycat: it has no rtc and no battery |
| 21:06.16 | ahop | yes |
| 21:06.36 | greycat | then how on earth did you think you were going to determine which files had been modified? |
| 21:06.44 | karlpinc | ahop: (Might want to install ntpdate or whatever it is that will set the time on boot.) |
| 21:06.45 | GreeningGalaxy | Alright, so I don't know what handles control-shift-u, but whatever it is, it appears to work on a 'when in doubt' basis on xubuntu. |
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| 21:06.57 | valdyn | greycat: of course you can set the clock on each boot |
| 21:07.06 | greycat | GreeningGalaxy: other people have already said that it's a feature of libgtk |
| 21:07.32 | teraflop | just install a timesync service and be sure it start after the network |
| 21:07.38 | GreeningGalaxy | libgtk. hm |
| 21:07.39 | ahop | greycat: yes maybe by comparing FS to a fresh installed identical image ;) |
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| 21:07.59 | valdyn | so that ctrl-shift-u thing also works in icweasel |
| 21:08.31 | valdyn | not in kde though it seems |
| 21:08.38 | GreeningGalaxy | yeah |
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| 21:08.43 | GreeningGalaxy | thats consistent with what i've seen |
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| 21:09.04 | GreeningGalaxy | there are like three bug reports from that which have been unaddressed for like two years |
| 21:09.08 | GreeningGalaxy | shrug |
| 21:09.18 | greycat | iceweasel uses libgtk widgets |
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| 21:09.34 | GreeningGalaxy | compose keys work fine for that at least, but now that I'm not actually using KDE anymore, I'd kinda like to go back to being able to type characters by address. |
| 21:09.49 | teraflop | valdyn: basically it works everywhere including toasters except for GreeningGalaxy |
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| 21:09.58 | ctmjr | works in irssi too |
| 21:10.08 | GreeningGalaxy | thats just the terminal iirc |
| 21:10.19 | greycat | that's why you have to configure ~/.gtkrc-2.0 to get ctrl-U to work in firefox/iceweasel... |
| 21:10.24 | GreeningGalaxy | irssi+yakuake doesn't do it, irssi+xfce4-terminal does |
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| 21:11.44 | GreeningGalaxy | well, lol, i'll just install libgtk* and see what happens |
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| 21:12.00 | greycat | It's a library. It's already installed if you have ANY apps that use it. |
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| 21:12.19 | GreeningGalaxy | okay |
| 21:12.21 | greycat | The point is, this feature will only work in the apps that use it. |
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| 21:12.53 | tvlooy | is there anyone with PHP compilation knowlege here that wants to take a look at a problem? |
| 21:12.54 | tvlooy | I'm trying to compile PHP with CLI and FPM with different ini paths but there is only one flag for the ini file. I'm now compiling twice but I'm curious how Debian does this because that seems inefficient |
| 21:13.07 | GreeningGalaxy | ....like what? GTK apps? Like everything in XFCE? |
| 21:13.16 | valdyn | greycat: yes |
| 21:13.20 | greycat | For example, iceweasel. And gnome-terminal. |
| 21:13.23 | valdyn | GreeningGalaxy: yes |
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| 21:13.44 | GreeningGalaxy | that still doesn't answer my question of why it doesn't work anywhere, though. |
| 21:13.45 | teraflop | greycat: it's a gtk/pango thing |
| 21:13.52 | Mousey | greycat: i can't wait to drive you around my hangar! :D |
| 21:13.53 | teraflop | og sorry |
| 21:14.06 | GreeningGalaxy | I just opened gnome-terminal. it's not working there. |
| 21:14.20 | teraflop | GreeningGalaxy: it's a gtk/pango think |
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| 21:14.21 | valdyn | GreeningGalaxy: what is your locale? |
| 21:14.35 | GreeningGalaxy | en_US.UTF-8 |
| 21:15.01 | valdyn | i cant imagine how you could break that then in debian |
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| 21:15.14 | GreeningGalaxy | I don't think I broke it, I think it didn't get installed in the first place. |
| 21:15.38 | GreeningGalaxy | except, that still doesn't quite explain why it works intermittently in GNOME but nowhere else. :/ |
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| 21:15.55 | GreeningGalaxy | well, i shouldn't say that. I haven't actually tried LXDE for it yet. |
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| 21:16.02 | greycat | is not going to use 71.7 MB of additional disk space just to install gnome-terminal to see whether it would work |
| 21:16.12 | GreeningGalaxy | fair enough |
| 21:16.13 | teraflop | seems broken to me too, also intermittently is just .... O.o |
| 21:16.19 | lyonsb | no rvxt? |
| 21:16.28 | greycat | rxvt is not libgtk-based |
| 21:16.31 | teraflop | GreeningGalaxy: you broke it! xD |
| 21:16.40 | lyonsb | rxvt even |
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| 21:17.16 | GreeningGalaxy | i really think there should be something lower-level handling this, just going on how often it works in xubuntu. is it really not an X11 thing like compose keys are? |
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| 21:17.49 | GreeningGalaxy | oh hey, compose keys are actually working. so that's a plus |
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| 21:20.43 | hexhaxtron | How can I have right click (two taps together) working in my touchpad. What is the right Xorg configuration? |
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| 21:22.30 | ponyofdeath | hi, how is the domain set on a system so that fqdn is sohwn when doing hostname -f |
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| 21:23.09 | zh1 | in which file log of debian jessie can i check why an application aint starting via terminal? |
| 21:23.12 | Brigo | ponyofdeath, man hostnamectl |
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| 21:23.35 | karlpinc | ponyofdeath: hostname is a nis thing, as I recall. Does not really have to do with dns. |
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| 21:24.34 | Brigo | zh1, no one, the application itself should tell you or nothing will do. |
| 21:24.37 | peterrooney | zh1: if the application is not sending stderr to the terminal, try .xsession-errors |
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| 21:28.29 | droid909 | guys what the best way to disable a user using commands, not editing files |
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| 21:29.47 | Brigo | let me guess, deluser? |
| 21:29.50 | Brigo | userdel? |
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| 21:30.00 | karlpinc | droid909: adduser --disabled-login foo |
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| 21:30.14 | ponyofdeath | Brigo: that does not in old stable debian |
| 21:30.27 | karlpinc | droid909: Pretty sure. Might want to check just in case. (I'm still running wheezy) |
| 21:30.28 | ponyofdeath | karlpinc: at any rate chef is not able to get a FQDN |
| 21:30.34 | ponyofdeath | karlpinc: how is the domain part set |
| 21:30.40 | ponyofdeath | or where is the config |
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| 21:31.07 | Brigo | ponyofdeath, what are you talking about? |
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| 21:32.00 | droid909 | karlpinc: the account is already created, i need to disable it |
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| 21:32.52 | Brigo | droid909, --disabled-login looks like as you was looking for. |
| 21:33.02 | Brigo | s/as/that/ |
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| 21:33.42 | droid909 | Brigo: but isn't adduser for creating users? |
| 21:33.56 | droid909 | usermod would be more appropriate ... |
| 21:33.56 | Brigo | droid909, if in doubt check the man page. |
| 21:34.02 | droid909 | Brigo: i checked |
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| 21:34.22 | droid909 | Brigo: With the --disabled-login option, the |
| 21:34.24 | droid909 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:35.06 | Brigo | droid909, and you haven't deluser? |
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| 21:35.27 | droid909 | i don't need to delete the user i need to temporary disable it |
| 21:35.53 | karlpinc | droid909: oops. One way is: usermod --shell /usr/sbin/nologin |
| 21:36.02 | Brigo | --disabled-login |
| 21:36.02 | Brigo | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:36.02 | Brigo | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:36.10 | karlpinc | droid909: But then you need to remember the shell so you can put it back. |
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| 21:36.39 | karlpinc | droid909: You can also disable the password with --lock, but that won't help if the user is, e.g., using ssh keys to authenticate. |
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| 21:37.11 | droid909 | karlpinc: yes, they use ssh keys ... what about usermod -l user ? |
| 21:37.21 | droid909 | err |
| 21:37.24 | droid909 | -L |
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| 21:37.51 | droid909 | karlpinc: well i lie changing the shell idea |
| 21:37.53 | karlpinc | droid909: No. That only disables the password. |
| 21:37.54 | droid909 | like |
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| 21:38.05 | acz32 | which DEs in debian are best for touch-screen laptops? |
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| 21:38.51 | Twinkletoes | I've setup a system to act as a fileserver which other "users" can access - I was thinking they could mount some folders. However, NFS only seems to deal in connecting hostnames. I could use autofs/sshfs but the idea of using sshfs for a VM on the same ESX server seems to be a bit of wasted overhead to me |
| 21:38.52 | karlpinc | ponyofdeath: You can use /etc/mailname to get a value. But I don't know anything about chef and how it gets it's hostnames. |
| 21:38.56 | Twinkletoes | how would I do this? |
| 21:39.02 | Brigo | acz32, i think touch-screen support dosen't depends on DEs. |
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| 21:39.27 | GreeningGalaxy | well, i made sure everything libgtk was installed, but that didn't do anything to my inability to enter unicode characters |
| 21:39.35 | Brigo | Twinkletoes, samba? |
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| 21:39.55 | Twinkletoes | Brigo: Oh yes - I never thought of that - I jsut associate it with Windows - thank you! |
| 21:39.57 | valdyn | Twinkletoes: i dont get what you mean that nfs cannot do |
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| 21:40.06 | Brigo | Twinkletoes, yw :) |
| 21:40.08 | teraflop | acz32: i think gnome since it has wayland support |
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| 21:40.29 | GreeningGalaxy | i have yet to get GNOME to start in wayland. / |
| 21:40.31 | GreeningGalaxy | :/ |
| 21:40.32 | teraflop | for debian jessie I mean |
| 21:40.33 | Twinkletoes | valdyn: The HowTo's I'm following give isntructions for /etc/exports and it just seems to allow by hostname, not username |
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| 21:41.08 | valdyn | Twinkletoes: thats the same with any such fs |
| 21:41.24 | acz32 | teraflop: thanks. i'm not really a fan of gnome but oh well |
| 21:41.44 | Twinkletoes | ls -al |
| 21:41.47 | Twinkletoes | oops! |
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| 21:42.23 | teraflop | acz32: heh you dont want dwm/i3/whatever tiling in a tablet don't you? |
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| 21:44.20 | valdyn | Twinkletoes: actually, i dont even know how to restrict samba to hosts, but just as nfs it can be restricted to groups or users |
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| 21:44.39 | Twinkletoes | valdyn: I'd better read more BFS then - tanks :) |
| 21:44.42 | Twinkletoes | NFS |
| 21:44.44 | acz32 | teraflop: do WMs work well with touch-screen? i haven't considered that |
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| 21:45.08 | acz32 | teraflop: or what is a joke. lol |
| 21:45.10 | acz32 | was* |
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| 21:46.20 | teraflop | acz32: no clue, but gnome does pretty well |
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| 21:47.06 | teraflop | acz32: also kde but I have not tested by myself just other people told me so |
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| 21:47.46 | teraflop | acz32: a sort of joke (the WM one) |
| 21:48.35 | acz32 | teraflop: i used WM-only for a long time but recently tried KDE and feels like i'm finally in the 21st century |
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| 21:48.51 | acz32 | although i'm no longer considered cool i guess |
| 21:49.02 | teraflop | heh, tried plasma5? even amazing |
| 21:49.13 | acz32 | no, just the one in jessie |
| 21:49.16 | teraflop | acz32: wayland |
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| 21:49.38 | teraflop | acz32: nah I use xmonad most of the time |
| 21:50.13 | acz32 | i used i3 and openbox at different times |
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| 21:53.04 | acz32 | what i like about KDE is that it's super customizable. the i3 developer does a lot for debian and i appreciate it, but he only adds features which match his philosopy. that's a problem with one-man projects |
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| 21:53.59 | jhutchins | I liked kde 3.5 |
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| 21:54.58 | teraflop | acz32: i heard of that argument about the i3 one-man project before, ill look into it but sounds hard to believe |
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| 22:24.21 | PercyB | Somehow "automatically unlock device" does not work on jessie with mobile broadband USBs. It always had to get unlocked as root via keyring, even if I tried to remove the keyring, attach it again with "automatically unlock" checked... |
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| 22:25.45 | PercyB | There is also a bug report regarding this issue. If the user tries to unlock it, it complains about policykit |
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| 22:28.57 | RickHull | what's a good alternative to crontab, particularly for remote jobs and automation? crontab comes up short with its minimal shell environment, primitive monitoring / alerting, one giant command per job |
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| 22:30.24 | boncip | i want to know on when my charger laptop unplugged.. afaik the log on the syslog.. what log message says when it unplugged power adapter? |
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| 22:32.57 | teraflop | PercyB: can you please point me to the bug id? |
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| 22:34.50 | Brigo | boncip, jessie with systemd? |
| 22:35.00 | boncip | not yet |
| 22:35.28 | Brigo | boncip, then check /var/log/syslog |
| 22:35.32 | boncip | i want to know the culprit that unplugged power adapter on my office, Brigo |
| 22:35.42 | boncip | yes i know it on syslog |
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| 22:36.10 | Brigo | then i don't understand the question. |
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| 22:38.38 | GreeningGalaxy | this is puzzling me. on xubuntu, I can use control-shift-u in Kate. Kate is a QT app, it shouldn't support that. |
| 22:39.09 | GreeningGalaxy | I can even do it in yakuake. |
| 22:39.20 | GreeningGalaxy | this makes no sense. what's handling that behavior? |
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| 22:45.25 | Eduard_Munteanu | Are there alternatives to dpkg being developed? dpkg's slowness is sort of pissing me off. |
| 22:46.13 | GreeningGalaxy | not sure. is the thing for .rpm packages any faster? |
| 22:47.00 | Eduard_Munteanu | I couldn't say it is, but comparing (c)debootstrap to simply rsyncing an installed system, it's way way way slower, by orders of magnitude. |
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| 22:47.28 | Eduard_Munteanu | Something's amiss. |
| 22:47.59 | hiexpo | !backports Eduard_Munteanu |
| 22:48.40 | boncip | but what is the sign that power adapter unplugged on syslog, Brigo |
| 22:48.41 | Eduard_Munteanu | hiexpo, are you saying newer dpkg versions should be faster? |
| 22:48.59 | hiexpo | maybe |
| 22:50.14 | Brigo | boncip, i cannot tell, i have a desktop :) |
| 22:50.43 | Brigo | boncip, just tailf /var/log/syslog and unplug and plug it. |
| 22:50.58 | boncip | i work remotely right know |
| 22:51.04 | Eduard_Munteanu | hiexpo, stable, testing and unstable seem to provide the same version of dpkg |
| 22:51.49 | PercyB | teraflop I was just searching for the thread I mentioned, it's from April 2015 I remember, with the same issue I described but just could not found it because I do not have the exact error message I searched for. I will try to find it though. |
| 22:52.02 | Brigo | boncip, that's a pity :) |
| 22:52.28 | Brigo | boncip, try google :) |
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| 22:53.08 | teraflop | PercyB: nah doesn't matter, ill search by myself |
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| 22:57.22 | laserbeak4445 | Someone was talking to me about using backport to get newer package than what is available on the official repos. I don't know if he was talking about Debian or Ubuntu. Is there a difference about backporting application on Debian and Ubuntu? |
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| 23:01.21 | Brigo | laserbeak4445, debian has backports, i don't know about unbuntu. |
| 23:01.29 | Brigo | ubuntu* |
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| 23:05.48 | laserbeak4445 | ok thanks |
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| 23:15.23 | badbodh | i am having screen tearing issues on mate. trying to replace marco with compton. how to? [debian-mate jessie x64] |
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| 23:18.43 | Brigo | badbodh, do you think composition will help you? |
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| 23:19.38 | badbodh | Brigo, marco got screen tearing issue, replacing it with compiz fixes it on ubuntu mate |
| 23:19.52 | badbodh | but debian got no compiz in repo |
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| 23:20.07 | laserbeak4445 | I checked distrowatch and Jessie has a kernel 3.16. Let's say I decide to use Debian and would like to upgrade Jessie to kernel 4.x in a year and two. Is it a reliable and common practice for a Debian user? |
| 23:20.18 | Brigo | badbodh, compiz is out of date, and mate has composite support if you want to try it. |
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| 23:20.48 | Brigo | laserbeak4445, 4.0 kernel will be available in jessie in few month using backports. |
| 23:21.10 | teraflop | badbodh: just disable it? btw is compositing enabled by default in mate? |
| 23:21.40 | laserbeak4445 | I could backport even the kernel...wow :) |
| 23:21.41 | Brigo | teraflop, composite is disable by default in mate, i think, i am talking about enable it. |
| 23:21.43 | badbodh | teraflop, no composting is off. but turning on and off didn't seem to remove tear |
| 23:21.55 | teraflop | badbodh: that makes more sense |
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| 23:22.07 | teraflop | sorry i meant Brigo |
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| 23:22.16 | Brigo | laserbeak4445, no, you will can install the backport kernel. You can try to backport it just now :D |
| 23:22.38 | badbodh | turning it on created fancy shadows, but tearing stayed on |
| 23:22.55 | teraflop | badbodh: with what gpu? |
| 23:23.07 | Brigo | laserbeak4445, well, not just now, the newer available kernel is experimental: 3.19.0-trunk-686-pae |
| 23:23.11 | laserbeak4445 | and all this should be relatively reliable and stable? |
| 23:23.26 | badbodh | teraflop, intel onboard |
| 23:23.28 | Brigo | laserbeak4445, backports, yes. |
| 23:23.31 | badbodh | laptop |
| 23:23.47 | Brigo | laserbeak4445, debian backports, i meant, not your ones ;) |
| 23:24.05 | teraflop | badbodh: maybe take a look at intel tear free, it works for me |
| 23:24.08 | laserbeak4445 | Great I think I will try Debian right away... |
| 23:24.42 | Brigo | laserbeak4445, good choice :) |
| 23:25.08 | teraflop | laserbeak4445++ |
| 23:25.51 | laserbeak4445 | thx again for the infos! |
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| 23:28.18 | badbodh | teraflop, where do i find intel driver's .conf ? |
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| 23:28.36 | badbodh | arch wiki says in /etc/x11 but i got nothing |
| 23:29.18 | teraflop | badbodh: i drop a little snippet in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d |
| 23:29.44 | teraflop | well, make the dir if isnt't there |
| 23:29.52 | badbodh | teraflop, you create that folder yourself? |
| 23:29.54 | badbodh | oh kk |
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| 23:30.20 | badbodh | and create a text file '20-intel.conf' is it? |
| 23:30.26 | teraflop | badbodh: yep |
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| 23:32.14 | badbodh | rebooting wish me luck |
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| 23:32.33 | wh0isthis | hi |
| 23:32.41 | teraflop | good luck! |
| 23:32.42 | wh0isthis | how do i fix my list? |
| 23:33.10 | wh0isthis | W: Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/wheezy/updates/Release Unable to find expected entry 'deb/binary-i386/Packages' in Release file (Wrong sources.list entry or malformed file) |
| 23:33.14 | wh0isthis | E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead. |
| 23:33.25 | wh0isthis | what to do? |
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| 23:34.40 | Brigo | wh0isthis, could you paste you /etc/apt/source.lst in paste.debian.net? |
| 23:34.49 | Brigo | your* |
| 23:35.07 | wh0isthis | yes |
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| 23:36.13 | GreeningGalaxy | still no luck on that unicode input thing. |
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| 23:36.46 | GreeningGalaxy | I have verified that it works everywhere in xubuntu, even in Qt apps. |
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| 23:37.02 | wh0isthis | Brigo: http://paste.debian.net/171718/ |
| 23:37.10 | GreeningGalaxy | I don't understand why it does, but it would be super nice to know that so I can make it work elsewhere too. |
| 23:37.40 | Brigo | wh0isthis, you have a problem, the first line says stable do you see it? |
| 23:37.55 | wh0isthis | deb http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free? |
| 23:38.04 | Brigo | wh0isthis, yes, stable = jessie, not wheezy |
| 23:38.05 | badbodh | teraflop, nope. doesn;t help. gotta get rid of marco |
| 23:38.18 | teraflop | badbodh: damn |
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| 23:38.46 | Brigo | wh0isthis, new install? |
| 23:39.01 | wh0isthis | Brigo no. there is no wheezy on that line |
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| 23:39.19 | Brigo | wh0isthis, of course no, there is stable |
| 23:39.42 | teraflop | wh0isthis: stable != wheezy |
| 23:39.45 | Brigo | and stable is jessie, you need wheezy neither jessie nor stable |
| 23:39.47 | wh0isthis | Brigo: so i should change that part to jessie? and leave rest of the lines? |
| 23:40.02 | Brigo | damn :) |
| 23:40.19 | Brigo | you should change it to wheezy. |
| 23:40.26 | GreeningGalaxy | can anyone currently running Debian with XFCE or GNOME verify that control-shift-u unicode input works out of the box? |
| 23:40.55 | Brigo | as long as jessie an stable are the same switch them will not change anything. |
| 23:41.10 | wh0isthis | Brigo: still same problem |
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| 23:42.08 | wh0isthis | Brigo: http://paste.debian.net/171719/ |
| 23:42.42 | arthurfiggis | GreeningGalaxy, i'm running 8.0 and gnome, it seems to... ı (pressed ctrl+shift+u and 131) |
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| 23:43.28 | GreeningGalaxy | hrm |
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| 23:44.07 | GreeningGalaxy | arthurfiggis: can you tell me what the output of `printenv GTK_IM_MODULE` is? |
| 23:45.27 | arthurfiggis | GreeningGalaxy, in my case running that in a console doesn't seem to return anything, unless I'm doing something wrong :) |
| 23:46.02 | Brigo | wh0isthis, it looks like there is no security update for wheezy, just for jessie. |
| 23:46.07 | GreeningGalaxy | ??? |
| 23:46.10 | GreeningGalaxy | weird |
| 23:46.35 | wh0isthis | Brigo so what to do? |
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| 23:47.02 | Brigo | wh0isthis, i am checking |
| 23:47.33 | GreeningGalaxy | sooo yours works fine with that variable unset |
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| 23:49.52 | arthurfiggis | GreeningGalaxy, evidently so? i don't see anything like it in the full output of printenv here |
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| 23:50.34 | Brigo | wh0isthis, there is only availabe oldstable updates which includes security updates |
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| 23:51.18 | Brigo | wh0isthis, what's the problem with jessie? |
| 23:51.46 | wh0isthis | i got problem with apt-get update, and i want to fix it somehow |
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| 23:52.03 | Brigo | the problem with security updates? |
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| 23:53.57 | zh1 | jessie works |
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| 23:54.55 | zh1 | wh0isthis, sources list ok? |
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