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| 00:08.52 | cheapie | OK.... so, say I needed *every* CD of jessie for some reason. Would I need CDs 1-85, KDE, LXDE, and XFCE, or just 1-85? (and yes, I know this is almost never necessary, and I'm not planning on actually doing it) |
| 00:09.29 | cheapie | ...to word that better, are the packages from the KDE/LXDE/XFCE discs *also* on 1-85 somewhere, or *only* on the KDE/LXDE/XFCE discs? |
| 00:13.52 | squisher | cheapie, not sure, but you can probably easily look at the contents of the CDs via the jigdo files: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.0.0/amd64/jigdo-cd/ |
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| 00:14.50 | cheapie | squisher: list-cd is better for that... I don't really want to look manually, although I just had an idea... |
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| 00:14.59 | cheapie | gets to shell scripting |
| 00:15.34 | cheapie | OK, downloading the lists now. |
| 00:15.57 | cheapie | ...and now fiddling with grep. |
| 00:17.06 | cheapie | squisher: It would appear that yes, the packages are replicated on other discs. |
| 00:17.17 | cheapie | (meaning that a complete set "only" needs 85 CDs) |
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| 00:19.17 | cheapie | You know, now I have this sudden urge to download all 85 ISOs (over jigdo or something), buy a 100-pack of CD-Rs, and get to burning... |
| 00:19.36 | asterismo | hi poeople |
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| 00:20.01 | asterismo | the command for format and leave unpartitioned a usb thumb? |
| 00:20.03 | die7 | after creation of bridge I get delay for 30 sec on boot |
| 00:20.40 | die7 | all things runs fine but I hate to wait, any exp here? |
| 00:20.46 | cheapie | asterismo: As in you want it to not have any file systems, or do you just want a "superfloppy" type format (one big FS, no partition table)? |
| 00:20.56 | KM0201 | asterismo: why not just use gparted? |
| 00:21.01 | cheapie | die7: What's this "bridge" you speak of? |
| 00:21.29 | asterismo | no, i need terminal command |
| 00:21.39 | asterismo | mkfs something |
| 00:21.40 | asterismo | ? |
| 00:21.44 | die7 | cheapie: kvm bridge brctl |
| 00:21.56 | cheapie | asterismo: "sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=<device> bs=4M count=1" if you want no filesystem. |
| 00:22.11 | KM0201 | well, first, use fdisk to figure ou twhich drive (sda, sdb, etc.) |
| 00:22.21 | asterismo | ok |
| 00:22.21 | cheapie | asterismo: If you do want a file system, then "sudo mkfs.<whatever> <device>" |
| 00:22.45 | KM0201 | then fdisk /dev/sd* and believe that should walk you through it |
| 00:22.56 | asterismo | cheapie: then i can issue dd if=debian-image.iso of=/dev/device for creating an install usb thumb right? |
| 00:23.17 | cheapie | asterismo: Yes, but you don't even need to do this. Just skip straight to that command you just gave. |
| 00:23.31 | cheapie | (at least I think Debian ISOs are anyboot) |
| 00:23.40 | KM0201 | oh you'r etrying to make a bootable ISO? |
| 00:24.39 | cheapie | OK, it would appear that Debian ISOs *are* anyboot, so "dd if=debian-image.iso of=<flash drive>" is all you need. |
| 00:24.56 | cheapie | I recommend adding "bs=4M" or similar to make it go faster. |
| 00:25.18 | KM0201 | cheapie: thats affirmative... usually i use this... dd if=xxx.iso of=/dev/sdX bs=4096 |
| 00:25.21 | KM0201 | always worked fine |
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| 00:25.48 | cheapie | KM0201: Yep, that's exactly how you do it. I think dd takes block sizes in KB, so 4096 and 4M are the same thing. |
| 00:26.14 | KM0201 | cheapie: you're probably right |
| 00:26.14 | cheapie | checks |
| 00:26.51 | cheapie | KM0201: OK, from my quick experimentation, bs takes block sizes in bytes. |
| 00:27.11 | KM0201 | ok, so... you'd probably want 4096 vs 4 |
| 00:27.12 | cheapie | KM0201: Your 4K blocks, then, will be faster than the default 512 bytes, but 4M should be even faster. |
| 00:27.13 | KM0201 | :) |
| 00:27.29 | acz32 | so why not do 10000M? |
| 00:27.32 | KM0201 | faster yes, but... one would have to wonder if there wouldn't be a mistake. |
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| 00:27.58 | KM0201 | i've just used 4096 for years, created gazillions of bootable USB's w/ it.. never an issue. |
| 00:28.02 | KM0201 | i don't fix what isn't broke |
| 00:28.07 | cheapie | KM0201: It will work, yes, just more slowly. |
| 00:28.13 | cheapie | Keep using it if it makes you happy. |
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| 00:28.27 | acz32 | i've never defined a block size with dd |
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| 00:28.43 | KM0201 | not really makes me happy... i think when i learned how to do it a while ago, 4096 was the numbers i saw.. so i just always used htem. |
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| 00:28.56 | KM0201 | i've generally found the usb is created in less than a minute, so it's nothing to get in a twist about |
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| 00:29.40 | cheapie | I did a bit of testing with copying /dev/zero to /dev/null (so it may not be representative of real disk I/O). |
| 00:29.56 | cheapie | Not specified (so 512 bytes) gave 0.8 GB/s. |
| 00:30.18 | cheapie | 4096 bytes (4K) gave 5.3 GB/s. |
| 00:30.28 | KM0201 | hmm |
| 00:30.30 | cheapie | 4M gave 8.6 GB/s. |
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| 00:31.06 | cheapie | 40M gave 5.2 GB/s. |
| 00:31.31 | cheapie | So... there's obviously a "sweet spot" somewhere, but I really can't be bothered to figure out where. |
| 00:31.33 | KM0201 | well, i've never had an issue w/ my usb's taking a really long time to create, so.. i guess i never really worried about 4096, 4m, 40m, or 4000m |
| 00:31.36 | acz32 | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/null ? |
| 00:31.43 | cheapie | acz32: Yes. |
| 00:31.51 | acz32 | how did you get the speed. isn't dd non-verbose? |
| 00:31.59 | cheapie | acz32: It prints stats at the end. |
| 00:32.06 | cheapie | SIGUSR1 will also make it print stats. |
| 00:32.21 | acz32 | oh |
| 00:32.47 | acz32 | sounds like 4M is a good size to use |
| 00:33.35 | cheapie | 4000M gave 4.7 GB/s, for the record. |
| 00:33.56 | acz32 | lol |
| 00:34.31 | acz32 | hey, i just got 20.2GB/sec with 4M |
| 00:34.50 | cheapie | And just for fun, a 1-byte block size gave me 2 MB/s. |
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| 00:36.24 | acz32 | 45.7MB/s with 400M |
| 00:37.07 | cheapie | 400M gives me 5.2 GB/s. |
| 00:37.33 | cheapie | (I should mention that I'm selecting count= values to get about a 10-second run each time) |
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| 00:50.25 | laurentide | right now i'm running debian 7 in virtualbox on windows 7. the experience is so-so. any better recommendations? |
| 00:50.59 | laurentide | i mean any better virtual machine recs |
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| 00:55.39 | cheapie | laurentide: How is the experience bad? |
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| 00:58.00 | laurentide | related to virtualbox i think because i have the same setup on a different machine w/ windows 8.1 and things are great. mostly related not being able to select native display resolution, bidirectional clipboard, failing to load guest additions... |
| 00:58.34 | laurentide | i wrote that out and then found #virtualbox |
| 00:58.47 | cheapie | laurentide: Huh, I've never even had to install guest additions with a Linux guest. |
| 00:59.05 | cheapie | laurentide: But yes, #virtualbox is probably the place to ask your specific question. |
| 00:59.16 | laurentide | anyway, i'm looking for a better virtual machine options to use any linux distro really, but i like debian |
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| 00:59.57 | cheapie | I use QEMU personally, but that's more of a Linux sort of thing. I don't know if it's even available for Windows. |
| 01:00.03 | zRecursi` | seems better to install debian on a standalone partition |
| 01:00.36 | laurentide | for sure. that would be the best situation. but the machine in question is a work machine and i'm not really supposed to change that |
| 01:00.51 | cheapie | laurentide: Tried live USB? |
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| 01:01.09 | cheapie | (or even just installing to a flash drive tends to work too) |
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| 01:02.14 | laurentide | i've used that before. in this case i need to have windows open all the time unfortunately so the linux vm is necessary |
| 01:02.30 | laurentide | as far as i know |
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| 01:03.08 | hassoon | wth...why does every upload application tell me that i'm using the tor network, and that i' cannot upload my thing? |
| 01:03.20 | hassoon | i did purge tor and reboot earlier |
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| 01:05.32 | srg | hassoon: Were you running a relay? |
| 01:05.49 | srg | hassoon: Your IP may be on a tor dnsbl (dns blacklist) that the remote application/service is doing lookups on |
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| 01:12.01 | othernicknick | hi |
| 01:12.15 | othernicknick | why am I banned on #git when I've never fucking been there? |
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| 01:12.36 | johnkeates | how should anyone know |
| 01:12.50 | othernicknick | their shitty software can't take a poweloss ona JOURNALING filesystem |
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| 01:28.42 | benjamindees | does anyone know of an estimate of how much bandwidth is required to maintain an up-to-date copy of Testing? |
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| 01:29.19 | benjamindees | not bandwidth technically but data usage |
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| 01:31.47 | Lady_Aleena | Hello. Is there a file somewhere where I can manually input the screen resolution I want so if the power flickers again, I don't have to reset my resolution AGAIN? |
| 01:32.35 | Lady_Aleena | her battery backup is dead and a new one is too expensive right now. |
| 01:33.45 | dvs | Lady_Aleena: Where do you put the resolution now? |
| 01:33.46 | Lady_Aleena | I just want a place where I can enter 1280x1024. |
| 01:34.16 | Lady_Aleena | dvs, it is in system settings in KDE. I was hoping I could go around KDE and straight to Debian. |
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| 01:35.08 | Lady_Aleena | KDE isn't saving the setting, which is why Debian is my last hope. |
| 01:36.15 | hiexpo | Lady_Aleena, what video card you have? |
| 01:37.06 | jelly | Lady_Aleena: KDE should save it if you remember to log off properly. |
| 01:37.19 | Lady_Aleena | hiexpo, hold on, it will take me a bit to find it in lshw. |
| 01:37.28 | hiexpo | kk |
| 01:37.32 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: lspci is probably easier |
| 01:37.40 | Lady_Aleena | jelly, kind of hard to do that when the power in the whole house dies. |
| 01:37.56 | jelly | Lady_Aleena: you can set it now and log off. |
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| 01:38.33 | Lady_Aleena | hiexpo and SirLagz, VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GT218 [GeForce 8400 GS] (rev a2) look right? |
| 01:38.46 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: yep |
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| 01:39.10 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: are you using the nVidia drivers from the Debian Repos ? |
| 01:39.14 | hiexpo | Lady_Aleena, what driver |
| 01:39.31 | Lady_Aleena | hiexpo, where do I find that? |
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| 01:39.44 | Lady_Aleena | SirLagz, I used whatever was on my computer. |
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| 01:40.02 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: ok, do a `dpkg -l | grep nvidia` and see if you get anything back |
| 01:40.30 | Lady_Aleena | SirLagz, nada. |
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| 01:40.49 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: ok, you're probably using the nouveau driver then... |
| 01:40.58 | hiexpo | Lady_Aleena, thta's the prob |
| 01:41.45 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: do you have an xorg.conf file in /etc/X11 ? |
| 01:42.16 | hiexpo | !nvidia |
| 01:42.16 | dpkg | Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia dkms>, <nvidia legacy>; installing this directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
| 01:42.44 | Lady_Aleena | SirLagz, no |
| 01:42.48 | jelly | hiexpo: that's an old card and nouveau ought to work reasonably well |
| 01:42.57 | hiexpo | ok |
| 01:43.00 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: ok |
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| 01:43.56 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: you could potentially create an xorg.conf file to lock down the resolution to 1280x1024...but I can't remember off the top of my head how to do that |
| 01:44.20 | Lady_Aleena | If there is no where I can enter and save my desired resolution, you can just tell me to live with it. |
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| 01:45.13 | dvs | Lady_Aleena: It should save your resolution if you set it and then logout. |
| 01:45.13 | jelly | Lady_Aleena: please avoid that kind of reverse psychology crap in here. |
| 01:45.28 | Lady_Aleena | dvs, it doesn't, even when I log off normally. |
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| 01:45.50 | Lady_Aleena | jelly, I have learned to "just live with" a lot of things. |
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| 01:47.38 | Lady_Aleena | For example, I have a better video card in my computer, but I still can't play YouTube videos smoothly, so I have learned to just go to another (Windows) computer to play YouTube videos. |
| 01:48.23 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: the youtube videos would probably play smoothly if you used the nVidia drivers...which would also solve your current resolution issue |
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| 01:48.55 | sydney_untangle | Yes. |
| 01:49.05 | sydney_untangle | It also matters on what "better" is. |
| 01:49.19 | hiexpo | that's what I said |
| 01:49.42 | Lady_Aleena | I've also learned to live with not being able to use my 3.5" disk drive. (Sometimes there are files which are so small, a USB drive is overkill just to copy the file.) |
| 01:49.45 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: in which case, I would recommend installing hte nVidia drivers |
| 01:49.51 | SirLagz | the* |
| 01:50.10 | hiexpo | 3.5 what |
| 01:50.23 | SirLagz | I wouldn't even know how to use a 3.5" drive in my computer...I don't have one of those haha |
| 01:50.48 | Lady_Aleena | SirLagz, I'll just live with it since the nVidia driver isn't supported here. |
| 01:50.52 | hiexpo | mini frizzbee |
| 01:51.08 | sydney_untangle | o_O |
| 01:51.08 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: the Debian packaged nVidia diver is supported here |
| 01:51.17 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: |
| 01:51.19 | hiexpo | Lady_Aleena, it works |
| 01:51.20 | sydney_untangle | Almost all i run is 3.5 |
| 01:51.24 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: |
| 01:51.31 | SirLagz | oops |
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| 01:51.40 | Lady_Aleena | SirLagz, the dpkg message above said it wasn't. Is the dpkg message wrong? |
| 01:51.41 | SirLagz | stupid irssi |
| 01:51.42 | jelly | SirLagz: that's an old card. If it's supported, it's by one of the legacy versions. |
| 01:51.50 | sydney_untangle | o_O |
| 01:51.51 | SirLagz | jelly: it's still supported by the latest...barely |
| 01:51.54 | SirLagz | IIRC |
| 01:52.07 | SirLagz | unless there's been a new version out since I last checked...which is also possible |
| 01:52.10 | sydney_untangle | What card? |
| 01:52.13 | jelly | ,v nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 01:52.14 | judd | Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on amd64 -- squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze2; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+2; wheezy/non-free: 304.125-1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 340.65-2~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.65-2; sid/non-free: 340.76-1; stretch/non-free: 340.76-1; experimental/non-free: 343.36-1 |
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| 01:52.30 | Lady_Aleena | sydney_untangle, NVIDIA Corporation GT218 [GeForce 8400 GS] (rev a2) |
| 01:52.35 | sydney_untangle | I use a REALLY old card also. |
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| 01:52.48 | SirLagz | I still use a 7300GT in one of mine heh |
| 01:52.50 | hiexpo | wow |
| 01:53.32 | sydney_untangle | I use a 7300 LE for daily use. |
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| 01:53.52 | sydney_untangle | Needs propriatary drivers, but works fine with them. |
| 01:53.55 | stanford_drone | Our startup got funded! We're going to Shenzhen, China to build a personal gaming drone. This is a flying robot that you can play with. It mostly uses computer vision and Artificial Intelligence. We're looking to hire one or two more linux C++ programmers to join us during the summer. If you know any good programmer available from July to October please let me know! Send a resume at roitman@cs.stanford.edu or message me. |
| 01:54.02 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: the 8400GS is still supported by the nvidia-kernel-dkms driver, so you can install that to fix up the issues |
| 01:54.07 | Lady_Aleena | Tangential thought: Why aren't all Debian's programs in ONE place so there is only ONE source (mirrors excepted since they are the same thing)? |
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| 01:54.25 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: you mean like the Debian Repos ? |
| 01:54.31 | imMute | Lady_Aleena: they are? |
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| 01:54.40 | zRecursi` | Why do i need "C-A-F1" to enter console to login into newly installed Jessie ? |
| 01:54.52 | sydney_untangle | That card should play videos easily. |
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| 01:55.06 | Lady_Aleena | I mean, if all the programs were together, there wouldn't need to be a sources file, there would be only THE source. |
| 01:55.08 | sydney_untangle | Mine plays 1080p videos decently. |
| 01:55.11 | SirLagz | sydney_untangle: if you're using the nVidia drivers it will, not so well with the nouveau driver |
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| 01:55.19 | sydney_untangle | Ah, i see. |
| 01:55.22 | hiexpo | puppy linux |
| 01:55.29 | sydney_untangle | It won't even boot without them for me. |
| 01:55.42 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: you could just use http.debian.net as the entry in your sources file and all would be fine |
| 01:55.49 | SirLagz | debian.net ? debian.org ? I forget. |
| 01:55.55 | sydney_untangle | But im not helping much spewing about my issues. ;) |
| 01:56.01 | sydney_untangle | debian.org |
| 01:56.03 | hiexpo | org |
| 01:56.15 | jelly | ha, 8000 series really is the oldest supported by 340.x |
| 01:56.21 | SirLagz | jelly: yep. |
| 01:56.26 | Lady_Aleena | SirLagz, will I have to reboot after installation? |
| 01:56.32 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: no |
| 01:56.35 | sydney_untangle | Yeah, i learned that the hard way. |
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| 01:56.39 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: but you'll need to restart X |
| 01:56.41 | sydney_untangle | i have to run 304.xx |
| 01:56.45 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: actually sorry, you will need to reboot |
| 01:56.50 | jelly | Lady_Aleena: definitely yes, a reboot is required to get rid of nouveau |
| 01:57.01 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: I forgot you had nouveau loaded |
| 01:57.05 | Lady_Aleena | sighs. |
| 01:57.16 | jelly | !tell Lady_Aleena about nvidia dkms |
| 01:57.16 | sydney_untangle | Whats wrong with reboots? |
| 01:57.21 | jelly | !tell Lady_Aleena about hdn |
| 01:57.23 | Lady_Aleena | OMG! How big is this thing? |
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| 01:57.37 | Lady_Aleena | jelly, rebooting always makes me nervous. |
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| 01:57.41 | pencilandpaper | hiexpo: what about puppy linux? |
| 01:57.44 | hiexpo | why |
| 01:57.48 | sydney_untangle | Why? |
| 01:57.49 | zRecursi` | There already is gdm3 in /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
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| 01:57.53 | jelly | Lady_Aleena: but power loss doesn't? |
| 01:58.03 | pencilandpaper | i was just wondering, i saw it mentioned. |
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| 01:58.11 | sydney_untangle | Linux is not like windows... |
| 01:58.16 | Lady_Aleena | jelly, I am always nervous when my computer is shut down. |
| 01:58.21 | jelly | Lady_Aleena: invest in a UPS |
| 01:58.23 | hiexpo | for really old stuff pencilandpaper |
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| 01:58.31 | Lady_Aleena | jelly, I did, and it is dead on the floor. |
| 01:58.34 | pencilandpaper | o ok, thanks hiexpo . |
| 01:58.48 | hiexpo | i love puppy |
| 01:58.57 | Lady_Aleena | BRB..rebooting. |
| 01:59.00 | pencilandpaper | i do too hiexpo . |
| 01:59.03 | swift110-phone | Lol |
| 01:59.13 | sydney_untangle | Hey swift110-phone. ;) |
| 01:59.21 | sydney_untangle | SirLagz: Your'e everywhere. :P |
| 01:59.24 | sydney_untangle | swift110-phone: * |
| 01:59.30 | sydney_untangle | SirLagz: Sorry. |
| 01:59.39 | SirLagz | sydney_untangle: lol np |
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| 02:01.10 | pencilandpaper | hiexpo: i see that you arent in debian-offtopic..but i am using puppy right now actually. :) |
| 02:01.57 | sydney_untangle | swift110-phone: You play with my bot anymore? |
| 02:02.11 | sydney_untangle | swift110-phone: So we run the same model GPU? |
| 02:02.15 | sydney_untangle | SirLagz: ^* |
| 02:02.19 | sydney_untangle | Arg. |
| 02:02.50 | SirLagz | sydney_untangle: hahaha |
| 02:02.54 | SirLagz | sydney_untangle: which one did you use again ? |
| 02:02.55 | sydney_untangle | Whats the difference between the LE and the GE? |
| 02:03.01 | sydney_untangle | 7300 LE |
| 02:03.09 | sydney_untangle | Its 9 years old now. |
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| 02:03.11 | sydney_untangle | 128mb |
| 02:03.13 | SirLagz | 7300 LE is a crippled version of the 7300GT |
| 02:03.16 | SirLagz | I also have a 7300GS |
| 02:03.20 | sydney_untangle | Ok. |
| 02:03.25 | SirLagz | I still have a 6600GT as well lol |
| 02:03.35 | sydney_untangle | It outdoes my 512mb laptop. ;) |
| 02:03.42 | sydney_untangle | mb graphics card* |
| 02:03.46 | imMute | is still rocking a 9800GT as well |
| 02:03.48 | SirLagz | and I might still have my old Geforce 4 Ti 4200 |
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| 02:04.07 | sydney_untangle | I should get something newer, but it works great. |
| 02:04.16 | SirLagz | if it aint broke, don't fix it :P |
| 02:04.20 | sydney_untangle | wheezy noveau worked well with it, but not jessie. |
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| 02:04.30 | hiexpo | pencilandpaper, puppy is my little live hackin distro much faster these guys build like kali with all the tools they can find i build to what i need at the moment i want precise and fast |
| 02:04.34 | sydney_untangle | Just locked up while plaing games. |
| 02:04.43 | SirLagz | I've always used the nVidia drivers |
| 02:04.49 | SirLagz | never bothered with nouveau |
| 02:04.57 | sydney_untangle | I only do when i need to. |
| 02:05.10 | sydney_untangle | Mesa is AMD drivers right? |
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| 02:05.23 | sydney_untangle | My mom runs noveau no complaints. |
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| 02:05.33 | darthanubis | sydney_untangle, yes |
| 02:05.36 | sydney_untangle | This laptop just got really good AMD support 2 months ago. |
| 02:05.45 | sydney_untangle | :) |
| 02:05.52 | darthanubis | I use mesa for my ati radeon |
| 02:06.13 | darthanubis | I don't bother with catalyst |
| 02:06.27 | darthanubis | and I have hardware acceleration |
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| 02:06.33 | darthanubis | vdpau |
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| 02:06.41 | sydney_untangle | Me too, if i know what that means. ;) |
| 02:06.55 | sydney_untangle | I have issues with older kernels with graphics tearing. |
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| 02:07.07 | hiexpo | darthanubis, what ati card |
| 02:07.08 | darthanubis | no tearing |
| 02:07.38 | darthanubis | Gallium 0.4 on AMD CAICOS |
| 02:07.49 | darthanubis | an R2 I believe aka 6400 series |
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| 02:08.37 | sydney_untangle | Radeon Xpress 1200/1250/1270 |
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| 02:08.57 | sydney_untangle | I get hand me down stuff and run it till its caps blow. ;) |
| 02:09.02 | sydney_untangle | Literally. |
| 02:09.12 | SirLagz | i'm the same :P |
| 02:09.22 | sydney_untangle | I've only put like 20$ into each of my computers. |
| 02:09.23 | SirLagz | the only new bits I've bought recently are power supplies |
| 02:09.23 | BenLue | hi, is security.debian.org down? |
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| 02:09.31 | sydney_untangle | ANd they're all fast. |
| 02:09.40 | BenLue | i cant update the packet list |
| 02:09.53 | jelly | BenLue: worksforme |
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| 02:10.37 | BenLue | jelly: now its complete after 4minutes |
| 02:10.47 | BenLue | :/ |
| 02:10.54 | sydney_untangle | Debian runs nice on my 9 year old desktop. |
| 02:11.03 | sydney_untangle | Not thats its specs are too bad. |
| 02:11.24 | darthanubis | VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Caicos [Radeon HD 6450/7450/8450 / R5 230 OEM] (prog-if 00 [VGA controller]) |
| 02:11.25 | sydney_untangle | But they don't even come close to the puff-chests on #hardware. :P |
| 02:11.31 | sydney_untangle | :o |
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| 02:15.32 | Lady_Aleena | Well guys, my computer is now fubar. I am on another computer to chat now. |
| 02:16.17 | jelly | gives Lady_Aleena thumbs up |
| 02:16.31 | Mister | Hi |
| 02:16.36 | Lady_Aleena | I have two errors: usb 2-2.4.3: device descriptor read/64, error -110 and usb 2-2.-43 device descriptor read/8, error -110 |
| 02:17.36 | Lady_Aleena | So, it looks like if I can't get the computer back up and running normally; I will have to take the drive out, connect it to another computer to get some files off of it, and do scorched earth on it to make it work. |
| 02:17.55 | Lady_Aleena | I am NOT having a good day. |
| 02:18.52 | sydney_untangle | I know how you feel. |
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| 02:20.23 | Lady_Aleena | sydney_untangle: you don't understand, it is my MAIN computer. All I have is the stupid login screen, so I logged in. I tried typing 'kde' and nothing. I tried 'KDE', nothing. How the hell do I get to KDE?! |
| 02:20.42 | swift110-phone | Who called me |
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| 02:20.53 | ttasdf | Lady_Aleena, you have a command line interface only? |
| 02:21.10 | Lady_Aleena | ttasdf: I can't get anywhere else right now. |
| 02:21.16 | sydney_untangle | Lady_Aleena: Ive been in the same boat. ;) |
| 02:21.21 | sydney_untangle | A couple months ago. |
| 02:21.24 | sydney_untangle | It was no fun. |
| 02:21.34 | dvs | Lady_Aleena: startx? |
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| 02:21.51 | Lady_Aleena | sydney_untangle: my stomach is in KNOTS! I have to get this comptuer up and running. |
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| 02:22.03 | darthanubis | reinstall |
| 02:22.04 | ttasdf | Lady_Aleena: yep, you can try startx. if the gfx driver is good it will come up |
| 02:22.09 | sydney_untangle | I know. I felt the same. |
| 02:23.09 | ttasdf | Lady_Aleena: no need to re-install once you still have a prompt and if you do have a prompt, you should be able to get your stuff off without plugging the driver into another machine |
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| 02:23.45 | Lady_Aleena | xinit: unable to connect to X server: Connection refused |
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| 02:25.01 | darthanubis | No need for a reinstall for someone who knows that typing KDE at the cmdline won't get them to GUI. |
| 02:25.33 | Lady_Aleena | No joy either as me or root. |
| 02:25.51 | hiexpo | lol |
| 02:25.54 | ttasdf | Lady_Aleena: first let's make sure you got the right graphics driver |
| 02:26.26 | ttasdf | Lady_Aleena: nvidia gt 8700, right? |
| 02:26.26 | Lady_Aleena | ttasdf: please remember I am going between 2 computers, and I have a bad hip so this may take a while. |
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| 02:26.52 | Lady_Aleena | ttasdf: I don't know. |
| 02:26.52 | darthanubis | a reinstall will save this nice lady a bunch of headache |
| 02:26.53 | ttasdf | Lady_Aleena: no probs |
| 02:27.00 | darthanubis | she can learn the cmdline later |
| 02:27.26 | Lady_Aleena | I don't have my chat logs to know what to type in to find out. |
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| 02:27.40 | darthanubis | better yet, a install of Linux Mint is what this lady needs |
| 02:27.42 | Lady_Aleena | won't have these chat logs either. |
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| 02:27.59 | ttasdf | Lady_Aleena: ok, from what you where saying before it looks like a 8400gs |
| 02:28.29 | Lady_Aleena | ttasdf: remember I installed that nvidia driver then rebooted. |
| 02:28.32 | ttasdf | Lady_Aleena: i'm checking the package list to see what package supports that card. hold a sec |
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| 02:29.51 | sydney_untangle | Did she ever add the file to tell nvidia to start? |
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| 02:29.57 | ctmjr | Lady_Aleena: after you installed the driver did you generate a xorg file |
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| 02:30.42 | darthanubis | xconfig-nvidia |
| 02:30.43 | ttasdf | can anyone verify that the 8400gs is supported by the package "nvidia-driver" |
| 02:30.52 | Lady_Aleena | Does anyone know what "usb 2-24.3: device descriptor read/64, error -110" or "usb 2-2.4.3: device descriptor read/8, error -110" means? |
| 02:30.53 | darthanubis | of course it is |
| 02:31.05 | Lady_Aleena | ctmjr: no, no one told me to. |
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| 02:32.05 | ctmjr | Lady_Aleena: do this then reboot mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d then echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf |
| 02:33.06 | Lady_Aleena | ctmjr: how do I reboot from the command line? shutdown doesn't work, quit doesn't work, exit just exits the command line. |
| 02:33.20 | sydney_untangle | sudo reboot |
| 02:33.34 | sydney_untangle | sudo poweroff shust it down. |
| 02:33.36 | sydney_untangle | shuts* |
| 02:33.41 | Lady_Aleena | ctmjr: do I need to be root? |
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| 02:33.54 | ttasdf | Lady_Aleena: or login as root and type "reboot" |
| 02:33.58 | ctmjr | Lady_Aleena: yes |
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| 02:34.13 | sydney_untangle | :) |
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| 02:35.01 | swift110-phone | I was gonna go see her but something got in the way |
| 02:35.13 | sydney_untangle | swift110-phone: lol. |
| 02:35.23 | sydney_untangle | swift110-phone: Wrong channel. :P |
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| 02:39.48 | Lady_Aleena | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:41.28 | ctmjr | Lady_Aleena: you need to mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d then echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf |
| 02:41.42 | Lady_Aleena | ctmjr: exact;ly? |
| 02:41.56 | Lady_Aleena | Sorry this keyboard is not the one I like. |
| 02:42.00 | ctmjr | this needs to be done as root |
| 02:42.10 | Lady_Aleena | I am root right now. |
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| 02:42.30 | ctmjr | they are 2 commands |
| 02:42.46 | Lady_Aleena | ctmjr: I will type exactly what you have there. I hoep it works. |
| 02:43.03 | Lady_Aleena | ctmjr: I figured they were 2 commands. |
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| 02:46.02 | Lady_Aleena | ctmjr: done |
| 02:46.13 | mo1991reg | what are peoples thoughts on putting an ssd and a sata drive on the same lvm. I tried this before in wheezy, but I couldn't seem to get the lvm to make the ssd the / drive and the sata drive the /home drive (for example) I want the fast ssd drive to do the os and the slow sata to do data. Didn't seem to be able to get lvm to seperate the logical volumes to be able to match the drives. So for wheezy I just stuck without lvm. |
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| 02:47.22 | Lady_Aleena | ctmjr: do I reboot again? |
| 02:47.42 | ctmjr | Lady_Aleena: yes |
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| 02:53.53 | Lady_Aleena | Okay, why didn't anyone tell me about the xorg.conf.d BEFORE I rebooted? |
| 02:54.11 | karlpinc | Just bought a WD Green drive and now I regret it. Seems the default is to fail from too many head load/park cycles. See https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Advanced_Format#Special_Consideration_for_WD_Green_HDDs So, I wonder why the man page for hdparm -J recommends 30 seconds. Any clues? Any experience with http://idle3-tools.sourceforge.net/ ? (Any opinion as to whether this should go in the install guide? In a factoid?) |
| 02:54.23 | ctmjr | Lady_Aleena: does it work? |
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| 02:54.56 | Lady_Aleena | ctmjr, I am in the GUI on the computer now. Thank you so very much for your assistance on this. |
| 02:55.17 | Lady_Aleena | I still have 2 errors which are showing when I booted. |
| 02:55.19 | karlpinc | (That would be 30 seconds of idle before auto-parking the heads.) |
| 02:55.30 | dvs | Lady_Aleena: Can you back up your system? |
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| 02:55.43 | Lady_Aleena | usb 2-2.4.3: device descriptor read/64, error -110 |
| 02:55.59 | Lady_Aleena | usb 2-2.4.3: device descriptor read/8, error -110 |
| 02:56.09 | Lady_Aleena | I did a web search and came up empty. |
| 02:56.32 | karlpinc | Lady_Aleena: Could be more info in the dmesg output. Or perhaps /var/log/syslog. |
| 02:57.57 | Lady_Aleena | karlpinc, ACK! It's so big, even using less. |
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| 02:58.22 | karlpinc | I've had a couple of WD Green drives fail and this is probably why. |
| 02:58.36 | karlpinc | Lady_Aleena: Use / to search for usb. |
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| 03:01.14 | Lady_Aleena | karlpinc, http://paste.debian.net/172332/ does that help? |
| 03:03.43 | Lady_Aleena | head desks. |
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| 03:04.26 | Lady_Aleena | Why didn't i see the suggestion to use dmesg first? *face palms* |
| 03:05.34 | Lady_Aleena | It looks like I have A LOT wrong. |
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| 03:09.06 | karlpinc | Humm. /usr/include/asm-generic/errno.h says #define ETIMEDOUT 110 /* Connection timed out */ |
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| 03:10.04 | karlpinc | And then from the paste it seems to go ahead and detect the hardware. Maybe it's just trying different things until it works. (Or, say, if you're looking at a hard drive, until the drive spins up.) |
| 03:11.42 | karlpinc | I'll ask again about the WD Green drives tomorrow. |
| 03:12.22 | Lady_Aleena | karlpinc, it looks like everyone else left. |
| 03:12.55 | hiexpo | next Lady_Aleena kissing / ars lol sorry your haing such a prob |
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| 03:14.03 | nalias | are bluetooth headsets broken in jessie? |
| 03:14.32 | Lady_Aleena | hiexpo, yes, these "usb 2-2.4.3: device descriptor read/64, error -110" and "usb 2-2.4.3: device descriptor read/8, error -110" are driving me buggy. |
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| 03:15.28 | zRecursi` | Can noveau support "NVIDIA GeForce 7300LE" well ? |
| 03:15.35 | Lady_Aleena | hiexpo, and google is not helping. |
| 03:15.43 | sydney_untangle | zRecursi`: No. |
| 03:15.54 | sydney_untangle | zRecursi`: Not since the version that was in debian wheezy. |
| 03:16.25 | zRecursi` | sydney_untangle: then i have to use proprietary NVIDIA driver |
| 03:16.32 | sydney_untangle | Yep. |
| 03:16.35 | ttasdf | Lady_Aleena: i'm glad you got thru, they did it faster than i would :) have. |
| 03:16.41 | sydney_untangle | Its the EXACT card i run. |
| 03:16.54 | ttasdf | Lady_Aleena: do you have any usb devices plugged in? |
| 03:17.11 | asterismo | hi people |
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| 03:17.29 | asterismo | how i'm supposed to PGP verify the md5sums of thebian images? |
| 03:17.35 | asterismo | i'm having trouble with that |
| 03:17.49 | sydney_untangle | zRecursi`: You need to install it? |
| 03:18.16 | Lady_Aleena | ttasdf, yes, my keyboard, mouse, and 2 usb drives. |
| 03:18.50 | dvs | Lady_Aleena: ONe of those usb drives are flakey |
| 03:19.15 | ttasdf | Lady_Aleena: are you seeing all of the drives, i'm agreeing with dvs |
| 03:20.15 | sydney_untangle | zRecursi`: I can help |
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| 03:24.29 | Lady_Aleena | dvs, I have keyboard, mouse, and both usb drives showing. |
| 03:25.10 | Lady_Aleena | dvs and ttasdf, at least the 2 drives are mounted. |
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| 03:25.48 | Lady_Aleena | So, before rebooting the next time, unmount the drives, and then reboot to see if I get the same messages? |
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| 03:25.58 | hiexpo | yup no power |
| 03:26.04 | hiexpo | or ram |
| 03:26.16 | nalias | asterismo, i believe you need to install the extra keyring |
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| 03:26.25 | hiexpo | dont boot with usb's |
| 03:26.43 | hiexpo | oerload |
| 03:26.51 | hiexpo | ^v |
| 03:27.21 | sydney_untangle | Unless usb3, i don't see it being faster. |
| 03:27.54 | sydney_untangle | wishes he has a ssd and usb3 |
| 03:28.18 | hiexpo | it's not all that |
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| 03:29.58 | sydney_untangle | But its overrated too. |
| 03:30.07 | Lady_Aleena | GUH! Save the checkbook! |
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| 03:30.29 | asterismo | nalias: how |
| 03:30.31 | ttasdf | Lady_Aleena: sorry was away from computer. yes boot without usb drives. see if you get the messages. insert one drive at a time and see if one of them produces the message. might have to check dmesg or syslog |
| 03:30.38 | asterismo | nalias: i installed the debian-keyring |
| 03:31.01 | nalias | gpg --keyring /usr/share/keyrings/debian-role-keys.gpg --verify MD5SUMS.sign |
| 03:31.05 | asterismo | but the PGP verification procedure in the debian site is somehow incomplete and confusing |
| 03:31.18 | Lady_Aleena | ttasdf, I will try to remember that the next time I reboot. |
| 03:32.13 | nalias | so just have the signature and the hash file in the same dir to verify the hashes |
| 03:32.25 | ttasdf | Lady_Aleena: you can try umounting them now, insert one at a time and see if you get the msgs in dmesg/syslog. pulling them out before a reboot is just being extra careful |
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| 03:33.45 | hiexpo | Lady_Aleena, that's the whole prob too many usb's |
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| 03:34.34 | Lady_Aleena | hiexpo, I have the ability to plug in about 9 more usb plugs into this thing. |
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| 03:35.02 | hiexpo | power |
| 03:36.48 | ttasdf | yeah, i've seen extra cooling fans cause a machine to be unstable. or hard drives cause a machine to reboot under load. really weird and hard to pin down |
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| 03:39.49 | Lady_Aleena | is testing her video now. |
| 03:39.59 | hiexpo | power |
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| 03:40.18 | Lady_Aleena | hiexpo, your new favorite word? |
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| 03:40.32 | hiexpo | you'll see |
| 03:40.42 | dvs | hiexpo: That was a good album ;-) |
| 03:40.47 | hiexpo | = heat |
| 03:40.56 | Lady_Aleena | My sound system nearly knocked me out of my chair. |
| 03:41.06 | hiexpo | heat = all failure\ |
| 03:41.11 | sydney_untangle | Lady_Aleena: That means its working. :P |
| 03:41.45 | LMNOP_ | sound |
| 03:41.47 | LMNOP_ | system |
| 03:43.41 | sydney_untangle | Lady_Aleena: well...? ows it playing? |
| 03:43.44 | sydney_untangle | Hows* |
| 03:44.07 | hiexpo | in electonics originaly it was the tube they lasted years than the transistor replaced it they lasted um not we have havve all the components packed in a small shell |
| 03:44.54 | ttasdf | tubes failed gracefully... transistors just go |
| 03:44.54 | hiexpo | heat kills electronics |
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| 03:45.27 | hiexpo | i have tubes from 50 yeas ago that still work |
| 03:46.30 | ttasdf | i wish i could say the same. saw a radio from the 30s i was planning to save. the owner through it out before i could rescue it. |
| 03:46.47 | hiexpo | worth a mint |
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| 03:47.18 | ttasdf | the tubes in that thing looked like light bulbs. was a bushe or grundig i think |
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| 03:47.33 | hiexpo | lol yup |
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| 03:47.59 | hiexpo | i am 51 so i grew up with tubes |
| 03:48.08 | ttasdf | damn i miss shortwave |
| 03:48.46 | hiexpo | the quality is mush so better now but don't last heat kills |
| 03:49.02 | Lady_Aleena | sydney_untangle, yes, though it is finiky. |
| 03:49.19 | ttasdf | dad used to fix'em as a hobby, so grew up around them |
| 03:49.35 | sydney_untangle | :) |
| 03:49.51 | hiexpo | i grew up with them also old radio siltronis |
| 03:49.59 | hiexpo | siltronix |
| 03:50.35 | ttasdf | you're bringing back some memories there. the cat's eye tubes |
| 03:50.41 | hiexpo | ham radios |
| 03:51.22 | hiexpo | yup |
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| 03:52.30 | Lady_Aleena | btw, I keep getting told I have a message when I am out of the GUI at the command line, but I don't know where to look for it. |
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| 03:52.59 | ttasdf | argggg. just upgraded a laptop to jessie... and i got no graphics... |
| 03:53.18 | buu | Lady_Aleena: try 'mail' |
| 03:53.23 | ttasdf | it took 2 minutes but finally x loaded |
| 03:54.51 | sydney_untangle | ttasdf: Now, if you reboot again,does it take so long? |
| 03:55.06 | swift110-phone | Lol |
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| 03:55.26 | ttasdf | sydney_untangle: checking... |
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| 03:55.48 | sydney_untangle | swift110-phone: What? Find something about my bot i don't know? ;) |
| 03:56.20 | sydney_untangle | swift110-phone is a friend of mine... |
| 03:57.13 | swift110-phone | Lol |
| 03:59.30 | jean_brat | hi guys |
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| 03:59.53 | ttasdf | sydney_untangle: grub to login prompt is 1:18.96 |
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| 04:00.38 | sydney_untangle | ttasdf: Hmm. |
| 04:00.38 | jean_brat | have some issue with iwlwifi.. on debian 8.. it does not seems to detect my intel wireless on my latitude E4200 |
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| 04:01.02 | somiaj | jean_brat: have you insatlled the non-free firmware? |
| 04:01.02 | ttasdf | sydney_untangle: grub to gnome login prompt. it takes so long to switch from text to graphics i can actually read the login prompt on tty1 |
| 04:01.07 | sydney_untangle | jean_brat: What does dmesg say? |
| 04:01.28 | jean_brat | dmesg == ? |
| 04:01.40 | hiexpo | there ya go |
| 04:01.44 | sydney_untangle | jean_brat: Open terminal and type in dmesg. |
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| 04:01.55 | sydney_untangle | jean_brat: Copy the output |
| 04:02.16 | sydney_untangle | ttasdf: Odd. I don't know how to troubleshoot that... |
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| 04:03.08 | sydney_untangle | !pastebin |
| 04:03.09 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 04:03.14 | ttasdf | sydney_untangle: don't bother i suspect the machine doesn't have enough ram and the hd is slow. it works that's good enough. it's a spare machine, so no worries |
| 04:03.23 | sydney_untangle | !pastebin jean_brat |
| 04:03.33 | swift110-phone | Lol |
| 04:03.37 | sydney_untangle | Arg. |
| 04:03.43 | swift110-phone | Its a spare toaster |
| 04:03.50 | sydney_untangle | dpkg: tell jean_brat about pastebin |
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| 04:04.01 | sydney_untangle | I hoped that worked. |
| 04:04.13 | hiexpo | your a busy one sydney_untangle |
| 04:04.28 | sydney_untangle | swift110-phone: :P |
| 04:04.33 | sydney_untangle | hiexpo: :P |
| 04:04.33 | ttasdf | the amount of heat it's throwing i can use it to warm the bed on cold nights |
| 04:04.51 | hiexpo | told you ttasdf |
| 04:05.17 | sydney_untangle | Hehe, my desktop is like that. |
| 04:05.19 | swift110-phone | When its cold outside it gives u the month of may |
| 04:05.26 | sydney_untangle | ttasdf: How much ram? ;) |
| 04:05.28 | ttasdf | hiexpo: i know :) |
| 04:05.30 | hiexpo | lol |
| 04:05.42 | swift110-phone | 64kb |
| 04:05.44 | sydney_untangle | 512mb? :P |
| 04:05.49 | sydney_untangle | swift110-phone: Lol. |
| 04:06.09 | hassoon | swift110-phone: nab |
| 04:06.28 | sydney_untangle | I should go to bed. But i haven't had a chance to help anyone thus far. just yabbing. ;P |
| 04:07.01 | ttasdf | sydney_untangle 1gb and drive is 80gb. thing's an old dell inspiron with intel graphics. good times |
| 04:07.07 | swift110-phone | Lol |
| 04:07.15 | jean_brat_ | http://codepad.org/KGZwZEQx |
| 04:07.25 | swift110-phone | Its a pencil eraser |
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| 04:07.28 | sydney_untangle | ttasdf: Thats a little light for gnomw. ;) |
| 04:07.37 | jean_brat_ | sydney_untangle, |
| 04:07.48 | sydney_untangle | jean_brat_: Im looking. ;) |
| 04:07.58 | swift110-phone | Lol |
| 04:08.54 | sydney_untangle | firmware: failed to load b43-open/ucode15.fw (-2) |
| 04:09.20 | ttasdf | sydney_untangle: i think i forgot to mention it's a centrino single core. a little light is putting it mildly |
| 04:09.21 | hiexpo | i worked for General Dynapics for a minute and to cool a cell phone site 15 X 40 it takes 20 tons of cooling 280,000 btu's |
| 04:09.38 | sydney_untangle | ttasdf: :) |
| 04:09.46 | sydney_untangle | I ran 1gb for a long time. |
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| 04:11.12 | sydney_untangle | jean_brat_: apt-get install firmware-b43-installer firmware-b43-legacy-installer |
| 04:11.20 | hiexpo | I mean 24000,00 miss type |
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| 04:12.34 | Rusty1 | jean_brat_: is there intel wifi or broadcom? |
| 04:13.03 | ttasdf | usually i go for the most ram and hd i can afford, a mid range cpu and video card. my boxes are for work or testing. this laptop is to demo an app so no worries. |
| 04:13.07 | sydney_untangle | Rusty1: +1 for asking. this wasn't making sense. |
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| 04:14.21 | jean_brat_ | Rusty1, from dell site |
| 04:14.21 | jean_brat_ | Intel® WiFi Link 5100 [802.11a/g/n (1x2)] |
| 04:14.22 | jean_brat_ | Intel® WiFi Link 5300 [802.11a/g/n (3x3)] |
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| 04:14.49 | jean_brat_ | its Latitude E4200 |
| 04:15.06 | sydney_untangle | Oh, then firmware-iwlwifi should work, it thats correct. I run the same card. |
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| 04:16.36 | jean_brat_ | strange .. even iwconfig says no wireless extension |
| 04:17.04 | jean_brat_ | iwlconfig worked for debian 7 on this laptop |
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| 04:18.08 | Rusty1 | jean_brat_: type, as root: rfkill list wifi |
| 04:18.22 | hiexpo | well it does not see your caed |
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| 04:19.18 | hiexpo | install the drie |
| 04:19.21 | jean_brat_ | rfkill ?? command not found |
| 04:19.27 | hiexpo | ^driver |
| 04:19.50 | hiexpo | sudo |
| 04:20.28 | Rusty1 | see if you can install it , has to be run as root iirc |
| 04:20.46 | hiexpo | !windows jean_brat_ |
| 04:21.05 | ttasdf | isn't that a broadcom card? http://codepad.org/KGZwZEQx from line 809 to 823 |
| 04:21.26 | ttasdf | i see an intel ethernet card at 880 |
| 04:22.03 | hiexpo | jean_brat_, have you ever used linux? |
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| 04:22.58 | jean_brat_ | on this laptop no.. but on another latitude E4310, debian 7 with iwlwifi worked fine for me |
| 04:24.03 | hiexpo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:24.36 | ttasdf | dell packs both intel and broadcom cards in their laptops. if you want the intel card you have specifically order it. that laptop seems to have a broadcom 4312 |
| 04:25.50 | Rusty1 | type: apt-get install firmware-b43-installer and reboot when finished |
| 04:25.51 | Lady_Aleena | in rsync, what does it mean when it says mkstmp? |
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| 04:26.27 | Lady_Aleena | at the tail end it says "failed: Read-only file system (30)" What?! |
| 04:26.46 | jean_brat_ | http://codepad.org/NaUPi31U |
| 04:26.47 | jean_brat_ | some issue with installing broadcom package |
| 04:26.54 | jean_brat_ | is there any source list i have add? |
| 04:27.36 | hiexpo | Lady_Aleena, http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/programming-scripting/179662-creating-temporary-file-do-i-really-need-use-mkstmp.html |
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| 04:29.54 | pengown | so unfair...I want systemd too...I wish Kali would upgrade to it already |
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| 04:31.41 | Lady_Aleena | hiexpo, I've never seen rsync do this kind of thing before. |
| 04:31.55 | hiexpo | pengown, #kali-linux maybe theycan help you |
| 04:31.59 | Lady_Aleena | Here is one full line, please don't get on me about the spaces. "rsync: mkstemp "/media/CRUZER/My Documents/fantasy/working/Writing/Fan_fiction/.Highlander.pl.PhjI6W" failed: Read-only file system (30)" |
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| 04:32.49 | khurram | does anyone has a link to amazon webservices aws chenel? |
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| 04:33.13 | pengown | Nah no one knows when they'll get it |
| 04:33.31 | Lady_Aleena | hiexpo, it appears rsync is broken or something. |
| 04:33.37 | pengown | I find it unfair especially when no one seems to know how cool it is |
| 04:33.41 | pengown | :P |
| 04:33.59 | swift110-phone | Hmm |
| 04:38.21 | ttasdf | i'm about to go sleep. |
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| 04:39.30 | ttasdf | Lady_Aleena: you are trying to backup the usb stick? |
| 04:39.46 | Lady_Aleena | ttasdf, I am trying to back up TO the usb. |
| 04:40.00 | swift110-phone | Hmm |
| 04:40.33 | ttasdf | Lady_Aleena: what's the command you are using to do it? |
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| 04:40.46 | Lady_Aleena | rsync |
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| 04:45.00 | ttasdf | Lady_Aleena: rsync <source> <destination> where destination is /media/CRUZER? |
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| 04:45.29 | Lady_Aleena | I'm in #rsync trying to getting it straightened out. |
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| 04:47.18 | BenLue | i have some trouble with my Bind9 (DNSSEC): zone localhost/IN: localhost/MX 'mail.s3root.net' (out of zone) has no addresses records (A or AAAA) |
| 04:48.02 | BenLue | pri.s3root.net: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/a513012f/ there is an A Record for "mail" |
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| 04:49.46 | Lady_Aleena | Okay people, will someone tell me why my usb is being mounted read-only. Here are the dmesg lines I regarding it I think. http://paste.debian.net/172375/ |
| 04:50.09 | Lady_Aleena | When did my system become a snob for charsets and things? |
| 04:51.10 | ttasdf | Lady_Aleena: that's normal. linux is case sensitive. a file 'A' is not the same as file 'a' |
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| 04:52.19 | ttasdf | Lady_Aleena: that's a warning that linux might treat those files differently but other operating systems might see them as the same file |
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| 04:52.33 | Lady_Aleena | ttasdf, this is the first day this USB drive has been mounted read-only. It has mounted normally up until today. |
| 04:53.00 | ttasdf | Lady_Aleena: the real problem is while is it read only. that usb stick might be the one giving the errors you saw earlier |
| 04:53.26 | Lady_Aleena | ttasdf, it has not given any errors until I installed that nvidia driver. |
| 04:53.42 | ttasdf | Lady_Aleena: why is it read only... yeah. i'm makin mistakes. too sleepy now |
| 04:53.45 | Lady_Aleena | Oh, and the two power outages which shut down my computer. |
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| 04:54.48 | Lady_Aleena | I am almost to my breaking point with this computer. |
| 04:55.01 | ttasdf | Lady_Aleena power failure that might be it, can you scan that memory stick in another [windows] computer? i can tell you how to do it in linux but it more involved |
| 04:55.23 | Lady_Aleena | I install a new video driver and NO ONE tells me anything more about things like creating a xorg.conf.d thing. |
| 04:55.42 | pksadiq | Lady_Aleena: is the pendrive empty? |
| 04:55.43 | ttasdf | Lady_Aleena or if there's nothing you need on the stick we can format it |
| 04:55.59 | Lady_Aleena | pksadiq, NO it has ALL MY BACKUPS on it. |
| 04:57.16 | Lady_Aleena | I wouldn't use rsync unless I already had stuff on there to sync it to. Otherwise it would have been a straight cp. |
| 04:57.43 | Lady_Aleena | And all of out other computers are tied out at the moment. |
| 04:57.53 | Lady_Aleena | s/out/our/; |
| 04:58.12 | Lady_Aleena | s/tied out/tied up/; |
| 04:58.14 | pksadiq | Lady_Aleena: I hope you are using debian jessie. I think you prefer gui. So, install gparted and open gparted. Unmount the drive in gparted. Change the label. |
| 04:58.29 | Lady_Aleena | pksadiq, wheezy. |
| 04:58.44 | pksadiq | Lady_Aleena: Still, other words are valid :-) |
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| 05:00.01 | Lady_Aleena | gparted requires a password?! |
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| 05:00.19 | Lady_Aleena | Which password, mine or roots? |
| 05:00.24 | pksadiq | Lady_Aleena: yes. It should be run as root |
| 05:00.46 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: yours if you have gksudo installed |
| 05:00.54 | SirLagz | or some other gui sudo |
| 05:02.02 | Lady_Aleena | I hope this doesn't hurt the data on the USB drive. |
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| 05:02.25 | pksadiq | Lady_Aleena: Hopefully, NO. |
| 05:02.46 | Lady_Aleena | pksadiq, I hope not too, because it is the only backup for some files. |
| 05:02.49 | ttasdf | SirLagz, pksadiq - i'll leave you guys to it. i'm falling asleep here. |
| 05:03.08 | ttasdf | Lady_Aleena, good luck |
| 05:03.14 | zRecursi` | sydney_untangle: just come back! thx |
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| 05:03.17 | Lady_Aleena | ttasdf, thanks. |
| 05:03.28 | Lady_Aleena | pksadiq, should I unplug it and plug it back in? |
| 05:04.26 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: I always copy the contents of a USB stick onto the computer before I work on it just in case. |
| 05:04.55 | pksadiq | Lady_Aleena: Well, NO. By the way, could you please brief on what you were doing excatly? |
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| 05:06.10 | SirLagz | yes, I have no idea what's going on. I just got back from lunch... |
| 05:07.39 | Lady_Aleena | pksadiq, I was trying to rsync some files from my main hard drive to my usb drive when I started seeing a whole lot of lines which looked like ""rsync: mkstemp "/media/CRUZER/My Documents/fantasy/working/Writing/Fan_fiction/.Highlander.pl.PhjI6W" failed: Read-only file system (30)" that. I check dmesg and saw the following http://paste.debian.net/172381/ |
| 05:08.48 | pksadiq | Lady_Aleena: OK. Now mount the pendrive again, and try to copy some small file to your pendrive via file manager. Can you copy the file? |
| 05:09.23 | Lady_Aleena | pksadiq, I've had 2 power outages today, and I installed a new video driver with difficulties ensueing. |
| 05:09.29 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: that's generally the time when I go and buy a new USB stick |
| 05:09.59 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: I would copy everything off the USB stick first so you have a backup, then run fsck.vfat /dev/sdd as root and see what comes up |
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| 05:12.01 | Lady_Aleena | pksadiq, in Dolphin it appears I can copy files over to the usb drive. Should I try the rsync again? |
| 05:12.47 | Lady_Aleena | pksadiq, I tried anyway and it looks like rsync won't work. |
| 05:12.48 | pksadiq | Lady_Aleena: Yes. Please check the free space available. |
| 05:13.46 | pksadiq | Lady_Aleena: could you try rsyncing some other file? May be because the one you are copying have strang names as file/folder |
| 05:13.47 | Lady_Aleena | KDE isn't like Windows with a nify pie chart when I click on properties. |
| 05:14.10 | Lady_Aleena | How do I find out available space on a drive? |
| 05:14.12 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: have you fscked the USB stick ? |
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| 05:14.16 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: df -h would tell you |
| 05:14.20 | Lady_Aleena | SirLagz, no. |
| 05:14.37 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: I'd fsck it |
| 05:14.49 | Lady_Aleena | 7.5G 4.9G 2.7G 65% /media/CRUZER |
| 05:14.53 | SirLagz | but make sure you have a copy of everything on it |
| 05:15.03 | Lady_Aleena | SirLagz, what is fsck? |
| 05:15.08 | ryouma | for what it's worth, i get a lot of transient errors with my patriot. then it works. |
| 05:15.17 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: fsck is the disk error checker |
| 05:15.35 | ryouma | unmount it first |
| 05:15.39 | SirLagz | yes, umount it first |
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| 05:16.01 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: it sounds like the FAT table may have errors |
| 05:16.18 | Lady_Aleena | Let me copy it somewhere else, I just wish I had drive letters instead of long winded path names to my disks. |
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| 05:16.36 | SirLagz | you can do that in /etc/fstab...once we've fixed it up |
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| 05:18.17 | Lady_Aleena | SirLagz, copying will take a while, I think. |
| 05:18.31 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: kk |
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| 05:19.11 | Lady_Aleena | SirLagz, Dolphin always seems to take longer than at the command line sometimes. |
| 05:20.01 | Lady_Aleena | SirLagz, I mean A LOT of time 1 hour and 15 minutes according to this one screen. |
| 05:21.03 | Lady_Aleena | I mean, how is /media/7ABC91CABC918175/ a good name for a drive? |
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| 05:23.11 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: If you're using Dolphin then the name isn't really an issue, and if you're on command line, `cd /media/7A<tab>' :D |
| 05:23.55 | Lady_Aleena | SirLagz, I was just looking in the /Media directory and didn't see my main drive listed in there. |
| 05:24.04 | themill | And it only has that name because you've not given it a prettier one |
| 05:24.15 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: your main drive as in / ? |
| 05:24.41 | Lady_Aleena | SirLagz, yes. |
| 05:24.55 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: that's because your main drive is / so doesn't need to be in /Media |
| 05:25.54 | Lady_Aleena | Its got 7ABC91CABC918175, cdrom, cdrom0, cdrom1, CRUZER, floppy, floppy0 |
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| 05:26.26 | Lady_Aleena | Though I've never been able to get floppy or floppy0 to mount when I insert a floppy disk. |
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| 05:27.28 | SirLagz | I never use the links in /media |
| 05:27.32 | SirLagz | I always just use the /dev devices |
| 05:27.37 | SirLagz | /dev/sr0 for cdrom |
| 05:27.55 | SirLagz | I just realised i typed /dev without prepending anything and it actually typed it into the chat |
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| 05:28.52 | Lady_Aleena | SirLagz, GUH! /dev has 13 directories and 169 files! |
| 05:29.03 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: haha, yeah I'm just old school :P |
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| 05:29.29 | SirLagz | there's probably much easier ways of mounting my cdrom nowadays |
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| 05:32.29 | Lady_Aleena | !@#$%^&*() Some of the files WILL NOT CPOY! |
| 05:32.33 | Lady_Aleena | COPY either. |
| 05:34.38 | Lady_Aleena | I'll be back in a few minutes. I have to go fold a load of clothes from the dryer then have a good cry. |
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| 05:38.48 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: I'd say you require a new USB stick. But you could try to copy the files after a fsck and see how you go |
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| 05:44.52 | shay_shay | hai |
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| 05:45.40 | RickHull | Hi, I am running Jessie / Gnome, and I just had a hard lockup / crash after trying to drag a chromium tab to its own window |
| 05:45.53 | RickHull | my screen froze and mouse and kb were completely unresponsive |
| 05:46.13 | RickHull | i was able to ssh in from another computer. load was very high, but there were no desktop processes running as my user |
| 05:46.51 | RickHull | for such a high load, nothing was using more than 1% cpu according to top (running as root) |
| 05:47.40 | SirLagz | shay_shay: hai |
| 05:48.00 | RickHull | from ssh, I tried `sudo reboot`, and while ssh dropped my connection and no longer listened, the machine was pingable for over 5 minutes while my screen was still frozen |
| 05:48.09 | SirLagz | RickHull: well then something must have been loading it up |
| 05:48.22 | RickHull | SirLagz: I/O perhaps? |
| 05:48.25 | SirLagz | RickHull: perhaps |
| 05:48.32 | SirLagz | RickHull: what were the busy stats at the top of top ? |
| 05:48.40 | RickHull | finally i hard shut down the machine by the power button |
| 05:48.59 | RickHull | load avg? or what were the top cpu consumers? |
| 05:49.27 | SirLagz | he cpu usage |
| 05:49.43 | RickHull | the top cpu consumers were rotating, nothing more than 1%. maybe something used 3% |
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| 05:49.54 | RickHull | i'm on an 8 core box. core 6 had 100% cpu for a while |
| 05:50.01 | RickHull | not sure how that "adds up" |
| 05:50.19 | SirLagz | I meant the %CPU(s) figures. That would tell you whether it was IO or not |
| 05:50.33 | RickHull | oh, hm |
| 05:50.40 | RickHull | i didn't note |
| 05:50.45 | SirLagz | kk |
| 05:50.47 | Lady_Aleena | SirLagz, I may plug in all of my USB sticks and see what they have on them. |
| 05:51.04 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: kk |
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| 05:52.25 | RickHull | i'm guessing noveau crashed and took down X |
| 05:52.35 | RickHull | i'm wondering if there was any way to recover without hard shutdown / pull plug |
| 05:52.56 | SirLagz | RickHull: won't know until it happens again |
| 05:53.08 | RickHull | my screen stayed lit and frozen, even after `reboot` via SSH, for 5 min |
| 05:53.15 | RickHull | until I pulled the plug |
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| 05:56.22 | RickHull | syslog and kern.log don't have much interesting. lots of nouveau error messages around the crash time |
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| 05:56.38 | SirLagz | sounds like nouveau then |
| 05:57.00 | RickHull | yeah, i'm pretty sure that was the bad actor. i'm more wondering about recovery options |
| 05:57.25 | SirLagz | RickHull: don't use nouveau ? :P |
| 05:57.49 | RickHull | that's a preventative, not a recovery option :P |
| 05:58.01 | RickHull | what would you suggest in its place? |
| 05:58.40 | SirLagz | I always go with the nVidia drivers |
| 05:59.18 | SirLagz | always found the nouveau drivers had difficulties |
| 05:59.46 | pksadiq | RickHull: ALT+ Print Screen/sysrq + K restarts X. You will be back to login screen, killing all opened windows. But, seems not to work every time. |
| 06:00.01 | RickHull | problem was, keyboard was dead |
| 06:00.10 | RickHull | capslock wouldn't light up |
| 06:00.16 | RickHull | did not respond to any key combinations |
| 06:00.22 | RickHull | i did not try unplug/replug USB though... |
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| 06:00.45 | RickHull | I believe X restarted itself |
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| 06:01.36 | Lady_Aleena | What is the fastest way to copy with verification? |
| 06:01.56 | SirLagz | rsync it twice ? |
| 06:02.20 | RickHull | hash the contents on both ends and compare? |
| 06:02.22 | Lady_Aleena | rsync it is, I hope. |
| 06:02.40 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: I'm assuming you mean copy from the usb to your computer with verification |
| 06:03.04 | Lady_Aleena | SirLagz, yes...I am having the hardest time keeping my USB drives mounted. |
| 06:03.12 | Lady_Aleena | SirLagz, they keep unmounting themselves. |
| 06:03.18 | SirLagz | yeah I'd use rsync...but other people may have other ideas |
| 06:03.29 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: are they plugged into the USB hub or straight into your computer ? |
| 06:03.44 | Lady_Aleena | USB Hub. |
| 06:04.08 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: I'd try plugging them straight into your computer just in case |
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| 06:04.43 | Lady_Aleena | I only have 1 plug and 4 usb drives. |
| 06:04.59 | RickHull | just for troubleshooting / comparison, try one drive direct |
| 06:05.02 | SirLagz | do them one at a time ? |
| 06:05.12 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: do you have all 4 plugged in at once ? |
| 06:05.15 | RickHull | and if it doesn't have unmounting problems, then it's likely the hub |
| 06:05.48 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: do you have all of them plugged into the hub at once I meant ? |
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| 06:06.52 | Lady_Aleena | I think it might be the USB hub now, even my keyboard keeps quitting on me. |
| 06:07.16 | SirLagz | sounds like it's the USB hub |
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| 06:07.41 | RickHull | does the hub have its own power supply? |
| 06:07.52 | RickHull | if so, then it's probably bad hardware gone out of spec |
| 06:07.59 | RickHull | if not, then it's probably underpowered |
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| 06:08.18 | SirLagz | RickHull: that's what I'm thinking |
| 06:08.20 | Lady_Aleena | RickHull, yes. |
| 06:08.47 | RickHull | if you have another hub to try, swap it out. otherwise I'd start shopping |
| 06:11.21 | Lady_Aleena | RickHull, no other hub. |
| 06:11.26 | Lady_Aleena | I'm looking really sexy crawling on the floor trying to plug in the usb drives. |
| 06:11.40 | shay_shay | :o |
| 06:11.47 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: lol |
| 06:11.55 | Lady_Aleena | shay_shay, don't give me that look. |
| 06:12.36 | shay_shay | :O |
| 06:12.58 | RickHull | o.0 |
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| 06:15.47 | Kamilion | Lady_Aleena: have you checked dmesg to see what behavior the USB disconnect has? EG, is the hub itself going away and coming back, or just individual devices? |
| 06:16.49 | Lady_Aleena | Kamilion, what should I look for in dmesg? |
| 06:17.06 | Kamilion | uhh, hold on, lemme plug and unplug some stuff and make some dmesg noise |
| 06:18.06 | Kamilion | hm, i've got a hub here somewhere |
| 06:18.09 | Lady_Aleena | Kamilion, I have so much in dmesg it is hard to find anything in there which makes any sense. |
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| 06:18.59 | Kamilion | okay, are you familiar enough with grep yet? |
| 06:19.25 | Kamilion | you can pipe the output of dmesg into the input of grep using something like dmesg | grep "USB Disconnect" |
| 06:19.47 | Kamilion | or just dmesg | grep "usb" |
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| 06:20.24 | Kamilion | or you can use something like tail to take the last N number of lines |
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| 06:20.44 | Kamilion | dmesg | tail -n 1000 | grep "usb" |
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| 06:22.08 | Lady_Aleena | Kamilion, any way to tee this to the clipboard? |
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| 06:22.31 | Kamilion | uhhh... 'xclip' I think? |
| 06:22.34 | Kamilion | it's been a long time. |
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| 06:22.57 | Lady_Aleena | Kamilion, if I would need tee. [I usually grep -RnT 'some thing' | sort -n | tee >(wc -l)] |
| 06:23.22 | Kamilion | ah, okay, good, you've already got plenty of piping skills. |
| 06:24.06 | Kamilion | i think you can just pipe it into xclip and paste it; or you could > some_file && gedit some_file, or another solution |
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| 06:25.05 | Kamilion | in general you're gonna be looking for a pattern of USB disconnects... |
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| 06:25.19 | Lady_Aleena | Kamilion, xclip is a dud. |
| 06:25.20 | Kamilion | unfortunately, the kernel's a bit obtuse in identifying *which* device went away |
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| 06:25.57 | Kamilion | something like 'watch lsusb' might be helpful |
| 06:26.19 | Kamilion | uh, i think lsusb has some kind of tree option too |
| 06:26.27 | RickHull | why not just copy from your terminal output, or redirect to a file? |
| 06:26.31 | Kamilion | yeah, -t |
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| 06:26.57 | Kamilion | there's also the gnome log viewer, depending on which DE you're in |
| 06:26.57 | Lady_Aleena | RickHull, you have no idea how many lines I have in dmesg with usb in them. |
| 06:27.03 | Kamilion | couple hundred thousand if your uptimes are like mine. |
| 06:27.20 | RickHull | use tail, and redirect to a file. why is your clipboard a better destination? |
| 06:27.42 | Kamilion | Lady_Aleena: one of the neater things I've run across is making a file with a list of patterns, and giving that to grep with -f or -v -f for 'ignore these' |
| 06:27.53 | Lady_Aleena | http://paste.debian.net/172414/ |
| 06:28.17 | superfast | hi |
| 06:28.24 | Kamilion | yeah, from a quick look through that, looks like your USB hub is failing |
| 06:28.28 | Lady_Aleena | RickHull, it appears I can't use xclip for anything, it is a dud. |
| 06:28.37 | superfast | Lady_Aleena, How are you |
| 06:28.46 | RickHull | yeah, i'd skip xclip and trying to pipe to your clipboard or whatever. pipe to less or redirect to a file |
| 06:28.51 | Kamilion | and not only that, it seems to be running in USB 1.1, despite the ALCOR USB hub identifying itself as USB 2.0 |
| 06:28.52 | RickHull | and select the meaningful bits |
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| 06:29.00 | Kamilion | so maybe you've got some bad cables? too much bends? |
| 06:29.16 | Kamilion | could be easier to try different cables if you've got some. |
| 06:29.23 | Lady_Aleena | superfast, a hot mess. I am barely able to maintain civility. I am not in the mood for idle conversation until I get some problems worked out. |
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| 06:29.51 | RickHull | yeah, try swapping the cable from computer to hub |
| 06:29.53 | superfast | ij |
| 06:29.55 | Kamilion | my hub's got a USB B connector (the square one), i could theoretically track down another cord off a USB printer for it. |
| 06:29.56 | superfast | i see |
| 06:30.18 | Kamilion | if it's a MicroB, a cellphone cable might work |
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| 06:30.28 | superfast | is it just me or Debian is having issues like taking a lot of time shutting Down or starting up? |
| 06:30.30 | Kamilion | for a MiniB, a digital camera cable. |
| 06:30.34 | Lady_Aleena | Kamilion, let's not talk about boat anchors (printers). |
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| 06:30.55 | RickHull | superfast: too many variables. which version, what hardware? |
| 06:30.58 | Kamilion | just pointing out the most common place to find a spare cable of a type. |
| 06:31.22 | Lady_Aleena | Kamilion, my printer is older than that I think. |
| 06:31.34 | RickHull | for startup times, you can use bootlogd (?) |
| 06:31.39 | Kamilion | Lady_Aleena: Well, this is a little disconserting to see: |
| 06:31.43 | Kamilion | [11261.400652] usb 2-2.3.2: Product: USB2.0 Hub Controller |
| 06:31.43 | Kamilion | [11261.400655] usb 2-2.3.2: Manufacturer: NEC Corporation |
| 06:31.47 | superfast | RickHull, I am using Jessie, i3-4130 |
| 06:32.03 | Lady_Aleena | Kamilion, problem? |
| 06:32.03 | Kamilion | do you have an add-in PCI USB adapter, perhaps? |
| 06:32.13 | Kamilion | if so, it may be loose. |
| 06:32.32 | Kamilion | normally I don't see the *USB CONTROLLER* itself being redetected |
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| 06:32.42 | Kamilion | but the root hub and device chain from it |
| 06:33.03 | RickHull | superfast: immediately, you can look at timestamps in /var/log/ to see what might be responsible |
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| 06:33.11 | Kamilion | but yeah, something's definitely amiss with your USB bus itself |
| 06:33.18 | RickHull | e.g. kern.log, messages, syslog, etc |
| 06:33.20 | Kamilion | either in the cabling, hub, or power delivery to the hub |
| 06:33.23 | Lady_Aleena | Kamilion, meaning what is loose, the connector on the back of my computer? |
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| 06:33.49 | RickHull | could be the USB port on the computer, a bad cable to the hub, or the hub itself |
| 06:33.54 | RickHull | with a flaky connection |
| 06:34.02 | Kamilion | Lady_Aleena: if you had to add an expansion card to support USB, the entire *card* would have to be loose to generate a message like that, if I'm not mistaken |
| 06:34.14 | RickHull | you might try contact cleaner, cable swap, hub swap |
| 06:34.28 | Kamilion | also, grounding is somewhat important |
| 06:34.54 | Lady_Aleena | Kamilion and RickHull, so it could be anything. |
| 06:34.56 | Kamilion | if you're connecting devices that are not plugged into the same AC circuit, some strangeness can result in certain cases. |
| 06:35.06 | Kamilion | Well, it's definitely hardware related |
| 06:35.06 | RickHull | Lady_Aleena: that's right. that's why you swap stuff out to narrow things down |
| 06:35.13 | Lady_Aleena | Kamilion, that is my keyboard and mouse. |
| 06:35.28 | Kamilion | So if you're losing your KB/M which is attached via the hub |
| 06:35.41 | Kamilion | that would say it's either the hub itself or the uplink cable from the hub to the PC. |
| 06:35.47 | Lady_Aleena | Kamilion, mostly keyboard |
| 06:36.03 | Kamilion | do you jostle the USB hub or swap devices constantly? |
| 06:36.09 | Lady_Aleena | No |
| 06:36.18 | Kamilion | okay, so cable fatigue is probably unlikely |
| 06:36.26 | Kamilion | likewise port lifetime insertions |
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| 06:37.18 | Kamilion | Well, the temperatures around here have been warming up; it's possible the USB hub is overheating or too much current is being drawn and it's polyfuse is blowing and resetting |
| 06:37.38 | Lady_Aleena | Kamilion, it could still be jostling. Getting to the back of my computer is a pain, which is why I need the hub. I just check the USB connector from the computer to the hub at the hub's end, and it seems secure. |
| 06:37.39 | Kamilion | How many devices on the hub are self-powered, such as a desktop-harddrive with it's own power brick? |
| 06:37.53 | Kamilion | try a different port on the back of the computer. |
| 06:37.54 | Lady_Aleena | Kamilion, none. |
| 06:37.57 | Kamilion | swap two cables if you must |
| 06:38.21 | Lady_Aleena | Kamilion, all the spare cables are out in the workshop. |
| 06:38.23 | Kamilion | so everything is being powered by the hub? |
| 06:38.30 | Kamilion | keyboard, mouse, flash sticks |
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| 06:39.00 | Kamilion | two sandisks, and a pny it looks like, from the serial uniqueness |
| 06:39.03 | Lady_Aleena | Let me do a quick mental inventory of what may be connected to the hub and computer itself. ... |
| 06:39.14 | Kamilion | lsusb -t will tell you |
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| 06:39.23 | Lady_Aleena | Kamilion, all the USB drives are not plugged in to the hub. |
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| 06:39.54 | Kamilion | well, i can see some repetitions in the serial numbers |
| 06:40.48 | Lady_Aleena | http://paste.debian.net/172416/ |
| 06:41.04 | Kamilion | line 185 in the first paste shows all the devices on the hub going away at once |
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| 06:41.37 | Kamilion | but only on bus 2 |
| 06:42.05 | Kamilion | and then you later plug a PNY directly into bus1, which should be the roothub itself |
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| 06:42.47 | Lady_Aleena | Kamilion, that is the USB plug on the front of the computer where I have to get on my knees to plug it in. |
| 06:42.55 | Kamilion | anyway, to answer the original question, (fastest copy with verify), rsync would be the answer |
| 06:43.13 | Kamilion | Lady_Aleena: yeah, I assumed from all the eyebrows when I showed up. |
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| 06:43.53 | Kamilion | something like rsync -azvv is what I normally start with between two hosts |
| 06:44.10 | Kamilion | for local, something like rsync -avv since compression would be unneeded |
| 06:44.18 | Lady_Aleena | I have got to get organized better. I still have my files on the usb drives in Windows directories. |
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| 06:44.33 | Kamilion | nothin' wrong with that. |
| 06:44.45 | Lady_Aleena | Kamilion, I use rsync -vrhit --progress |
| 06:44.47 | Kamilion | I still have a bunch of folders named things like !SortMe |
| 06:45.10 | SirLagz | I have whole hardrives that are labeled as sort me |
| 06:45.11 | Kamilion | and bash really doesn't like that leading !, which is a trick to make windows sort a specific set of directories first. |
| 06:45.35 | SirLagz | like 8 IDE hard drives that I have no idea what they have on them |
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| 06:46.15 | Lady_Aleena | And I need to take a shower. |
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| 06:48.39 | Lady_Aleena | I can't believe it is almost 3am. |
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| 06:48.59 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: you should probably go to sleep then |
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| 06:49.29 | Lady_Aleena | SirLagz, I need a shower first. I put fresh sheets on the bed, but I have a sweaty body and hair. |
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| 06:49.48 | HeXiLeD | sir & lady ? are you guys in the right chatroom ? |
| 06:49.50 | Lady_Aleena | If I have to drag this computer back out, I will probably scream. |
| 06:50.09 | SirLagz | checks the chat room |
| 06:50.11 | SirLagz | HeXiLeD: yep. |
| 06:50.23 | Lady_Aleena | HeXiLeD, a little side note after a long conversation about technical issues. |
| 06:50.33 | HeXiLeD | *umm* |
| 06:50.39 | HeXiLeD | alrighty |
| 06:50.40 | Kamilion | well, when you're ready to continue debugging the issue; highlight me. |
| 06:51.14 | Lady_Aleena | Kamilion, do you stay logged in nearly constantly? Also, how many hours from GMT? |
| 06:51.35 | Lady_Aleena | I am -5 GMT |
| 06:51.46 | HeXiLeD | yah, throw batman's spotlight at him |
| 06:51.46 | Kamilion | ZNC, -8 (PST) |
| 06:52.28 | Kamilion | if I don't respond to a highlight after more than ~5 minutes, i'm likely asleep |
| 06:52.34 | Lady_Aleena | Kamilion, so it is nearly midnight for you. |
| 06:52.51 | Kamilion | yeah, but I'll be available for another six hours approx |
| 06:53.19 | Lady_Aleena | Kamilion, after my shower, I will probably need to chill in the living room to get my thoughts in order. |
| 06:53.29 | Kamilion | take your time. |
| 06:53.41 | Kamilion | no rush, my technical storehouse will still be here. |
| 06:54.19 | Kamilion | and I'm quite used to "hardware quirks" |
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| 06:55.13 | Lady_Aleena | I just need to finish with this USB drive, then off to the shower. |
| 06:56.03 | Kamilion | ahh, fun with udev rules. |
| 06:56.09 | Lady_Aleena | Good night all. (Leaving now so the last few messages don't scroll out of my log.) |
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| 06:56.38 | Kamilion | turns out, monoprice RS232 USB adapters all have an iSerial of 0. |
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| 06:57.20 | Kamilion | so I've been having a fun time playing with udev rules trying to get them to stay consistant. |
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| 07:18.00 | anddam | urxvt doesn't allow copy and paste, selecting test won't result in middle click pasting it, also text from (GNOME?) clipboard cannot be pasted with ctrl-shift-V or ctrl-V. I'm on jessie lxde. I know nothing about how clipboard works, willing to learn but even more eager to fix the annoyance first |
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| 07:28.50 | talin_ | hello. i am trying to install docker.io from backports. i have added the line to sources.list and run apt-get update. i then try to follow both of the instructions on docker.io and debian.org (which are different and neither work), by doing: apt-get -t jessie-backports install docker.io and apt-get install docker.io |
| 07:28.55 | talin_ | but the package isn't found |
| 07:29.22 | RickHull | hm, is the package named docker.io or docker? |
| 07:30.17 | talin_ | it's named docker.io since docker is already taken |
| 07:30.22 | talin_ | by some ancient gnome3 thingie |
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| 07:31.14 | somiaj | ,v docker.io |
| 07:31.15 | judd | Package: docker.io on amd64 -- experimental: 1.6.0+dfsg1-1~exp1; sid: 1.6.0+dfsg1-1 |
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| 07:31.29 | somiaj | RickHull: there is no backport made of that package. |
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| 07:32.01 | RickHull | talin_: do you have a link to the debian instructions? |
| 07:32.11 | somiaj | RickHull: opps, that was to talin_ |
| 07:32.13 | talin_ | https://docs.docker.com/installation/debian/ |
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| 07:33.22 | RickHull | talin_: did you edit sources.list to enable jessie-backports? |
| 07:33.38 | talin_ | RickHull: deb http://http.debian.net/debian jessie-backports main |
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| 07:33.43 | talin_ | i added that line and ran apt-get update |
| 07:33.48 | talin_ | and then apt-get install docker.io |
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| 07:34.15 | somiaj | talin_: as far as I can tell there is no package called docker.io in jessie-backports. Not sure why that page says there is one, but I can't find it. This means you'll have to create your own backport. |
| 07:34.27 | talin_ | Package docker.io is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 07:34.36 | talin_ | it what it says when i try to install |
| 07:34.55 | talin_ | hmm, okay |
| 07:35.08 | somiaj | !tell talin_ about ssb |
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| 07:35.58 | RickHull | http://backports.debian.org/Packages/ i'm not even seeing jessie-backports as an option |
| 07:36.26 | RickHull | !tell RickHull about ssb |
| 07:36.34 | talin_ | thanks guys |
| 07:36.42 | somiaj | RickHull: jessie-backports is a repo, but it is probabaly still very empty since jessie has barely been released. |
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| 07:37.08 | RickHull | yeah http://backports.debian.org/changes/jessie-backports.html |
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| 07:56.18 | Ast001 | Hello is there any need to keep irqballance running on Debian Wheezy system on amd64 kernel ? |
| 07:57.52 | cyber37 | Hey guy's i am working on a project, i need to acces to the sockets, but i optain, "Permission denied" error, what is the best solution, run the IDE as root and execute the program as root, or do something for be able to access to the interface without sudo ? |
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| 07:58.38 | Kamilion | cyber37: ports over 1024 can be used by user processes. |
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| 07:58.58 | cyber37 | thanks, I try it ! |
| 07:59.48 | Kamilion | range is about 1024-65500 |
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| 08:00.12 | Kamilion | cyber37: common ports for HTTP are 80 and 8080 |
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| 08:01.12 | superfast | hey I just installed hplip-gui and it won't show any where |
| 08:01.22 | superfast | I mean there is no option to access the hplip-gui |
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| 08:01.29 | superfast | yzT, use SASL |
| 08:01.53 | Kamilion | superfast: I've seen that before long ago, run hplip-gui from a terminal in X |
| 08:02.07 | superfast | Kamilion, I cannot |
| 08:02.11 | superfast | I won't open |
| 08:02.22 | superfast | also no auto tab completion for it |
| 08:02.46 | superfast | Kamilion, it says command not found |
| 08:02.47 | Kamilion | maybe it's a metapackage? |
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| 08:03.11 | Kamilion | i dunno, i havn't used a printer outside of brothers $80 lasers in years. |
| 08:03.27 | Kamilion | i just buy more toner by the jug |
| 08:03.43 | superfast | gksu{a} hplip-gui libgksu2-0{a} libmysqlclient18{a} libqt4-declarative{a} |
| 08:03.43 | superfast | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:03.43 | superfast | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:03.44 | superfast | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:03.44 | superfast | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:03.57 | superfast | omg so sorry |
| 08:04.03 | superfast | Kamilion, did you see? |
| 08:04.28 | Kamilion | i saw a list of qt and python packages. |
| 08:04.30 | superfast | Kamilion, Only it don't have a {a} |
| 08:04.41 | pksadiq | superfast: dpkg -L hplip-gui lists the files in the package. grep for bin, or cat the .desktop file and find Exec |
| 08:04.44 | superfast | gksu{a} hplip-gui libgksu2-0{a} |
| 08:05.00 | superfast | I was suppose to get hplip-gui |
| 08:05.05 | superfast | but it is not there |
| 08:06.04 | Kamilion | sorry, package management is not my strong suit |
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| 08:06.49 | superfast | pksadiq, I don't know |
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| 08:08.14 | pksadiq | superfast: OK. It seems like 'hp-systray -x' is the command run. are you using GNOME? |
| 08:08.25 | superfast | ya |
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| 08:09.43 | pksadiq | superfast: Try Super-M, which opens the message tray. Probably you can see the hp icon there. Hope you are on GNOME shell |
| 08:09.47 | JyZyXEL | what to do when rootfs becomes full? |
| 08:09.53 | JyZyXEL | deleting stuff doesn't recover the space it seems |
| 08:10.00 | superfast | I am on shell |
| 08:10.08 | superfast | pksadiq, * cerebro (~cerebro@123-243-231-21.static.tpgi.com.au) has joined |
| 08:10.09 | superfast | <pksadiq> superfast: Try Super-M, which opens the message tray. Probably you can see the hp icon there. Hope you are on GNOME shell |
| 08:10.12 | JyZyXEL | how do you sync the deleted stuff? |
| 08:10.21 | superfast | pksadiq, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=733947 |
| 08:10.22 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/733947 in hplip-gui (open): «hplip-gui: HP Toolbox is not found in Gnome 3 Activities Overview / search after installing hplip-gui»; severity: important; opened: 2014-01-02; last modified: 2014-01-02. |
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| 08:11.06 | superfast | pksadiq, What do you think? |
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| 08:12.51 | pksadiq | superfast: I did once install hplip-gui for my friend, and was working fine. I did have to install system-config-printer package too. (I'm on Debian Jessie) |
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| 08:14.07 | superfast | pksadiq, ok I would do it then, hp-toolbox opens it up in the terminal |
| 08:14.27 | superfast | I had to install system-config-printer in Trisquel too |
| 08:14.40 | superfast | also policy-kit package |
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| 08:21.20 | amflir | after a dist-upgrade, my network does not resolv dns, I have to use my socks proxy server or give the ip to access addresses, I've already set dns servers through network-manager but still no luck, any fixes? |
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| 08:21.22 | pksadiq | superfast: to include the hp-toolbox in overview, you can use the menu editor, which is installed by default. Open menu > System tools > Preferences -> Check HPLIP toolbox |
| 08:22.11 | superfast | pksadiq, ya I would do it, but I don't know what is wrong with the ink now |
| 08:22.14 | superfast | :) |
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| 08:23.29 | suexec | Does anyone else have trouble with google-chrome? It keeps crashing on me constantly .. pages get stuck .. it's just bloody annoying. Are there any replacements that would be much better? |
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| 08:25.39 | vegardx | Chromeium? |
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| 08:39.44 | superfast | pksadiq, Do you know what to do with drying Inkjet Printer Cartridges? |
| 08:40.16 | Twinkletoes | superfast: brush them with isopropanol or similar |
| 08:40.21 | pksadiq | superfast: No. |
| 08:40.34 | Twinkletoes | superfast: Any alcohol-type product whch doesn't leave a residue |
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| 08:40.36 | superfast | Twinkletoes, I don't know where to get it from |
| 08:40.42 | superfast | ok |
| 08:40.42 | Twinkletoes | superfast: Meths is OK, white spirit is not |
| 08:40.48 | superfast | Ok |
| 08:40.49 | Twinkletoes | superfast: Any checmist will sell it |
| 08:41.11 | Twinkletoes | superfast: ...or just buy new cartridges ;) |
| 08:41.27 | Twinkletoes | superfast: Isopropyl Alcohol is another word for Isopropanol |
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| 08:41.59 | superfast | Twinkletoes, ok, how about putting it in hot sun light? |
| 08:42.07 | superfast | would it melt enough to get back to normal? |
| 08:42.09 | superfast | :P |
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| 08:51.38 | tapio_ | I'm trying to change the outgoing interface of exim4. If i understand correctly I have to edit the /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf and run the update-exim4.conf tool to generate the files. However i cannot find the option for changing the outgoing smtp-interface/address. Halp? |
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| 08:54.24 | tapio_ | remote_smtp: interface = <ip> <- whats this in the debian update-exim4.conf-syntax ? |
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| 08:59.24 | Twinkletoes | superfast: sun will only dry it - it won't melt it |
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| 08:59.47 | superfast | Twinkletoes, I spread a Laptop Screen Cleaner on the head / opening of the Catridges lol and guess what It is as black as a buffalo now, and working fine |
| 08:59.52 | Twinkletoes | superfast: Do you have a printer with a built-in head, or one where the head is in each cartridge? |
| 09:00.11 | Twinkletoes | superfast: Great, glad to hear it ;) |
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| 09:00.52 | superfast | Cartridge have a opening with a thin foil printed with design like we see on motherboards |
| 09:00.55 | superfast | Twinkletoes, ^ |
| 09:01.33 | jawr | hey, im having an issue with wheezy where apache2 isnt starting at the runtimes specified in the init script. i can start it manually with no problems (using service or the init script directly) and there are no errors i can see in the logs |
| 09:01.46 | jawr | mysql starts correctly and has the same rc settings :s |
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| 09:03.54 | Trefex | hello, quick question as i'm new to Debian |
| 09:04.01 | Trefex | is it possible to install 7.1 and stay on it? |
| 09:04.17 | Trefex | or does it automatically go to 7.8 when i do apt-get upgrade? |
| 09:04.30 | bstarek | it will stay at 7.1 |
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| 09:04.50 | Trefex | bstarek: ok thanks |
| 09:04.53 | bstarek | it will upgrade your packages not your distribnution |
| 09:05.22 | bstarek | np |
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| 09:08.02 | Trefex | bstarek: maybe you can help once more, how can i even install 7.1 at all using the official mirrors? |
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| 09:08.37 | bstarek | you should download the ISO from the archives |
| 09:08.43 | bstarek | burn and install |
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| 09:08.54 | Trefex | bstarek: oh la la, quite cumbersome :) |
| 09:09.05 | bstarek | no no very simpkle |
| 09:09.07 | bstarek | simple |
| 09:09.12 | bstarek | where do you plan to install it? |
| 09:09.19 | Trefex | Foreman -> oVirt |
| 09:09.21 | bstarek | physical machine or vm? |
| 09:09.53 | Trefex | VM |
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| 09:10.22 | bstarek | yes, just attach the iso to your vm and boot it |
| 09:10.30 | bstarek | do you understand? |
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| 09:11.01 | Trefex | yep |
| 09:11.36 | bstarek | alright |
| 09:11.45 | Trefex | bstarek: thanks :D |
| 09:11.57 | bstarek | no worries :) |
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| 09:21.38 | jawr | any ideas on how to debug this runtime issue? |
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| 09:23.12 | Trefex | so to install Debian 7.1, i should use jigdo but on which file? |
| 09:23.13 | Trefex | http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/7.1.0/amd64/jigdo-dvd/ |
| 09:23.22 | Trefex | on all 10 DVDs? not sure what's going on there |
| 09:23.27 | bruceleez | hello - can someone recommend a video tutorial on installing debian dual boot with windows 8? |
| 09:23.30 | jawr | just take the first |
| 09:24.44 | Trefex | so what's the difference between 1 and 10 ? |
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| 09:25.13 | jawr | 1 has the main stuff, 2... has all the extra bits from the repos |
| 09:25.43 | jawr | you can even do it with just the first cd |
| 09:25.52 | jawr | its if you wanted to have a completely offline repo |
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| 09:26.47 | Trefex | jawr: i see, thanks |
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| 09:27.06 | Trefex | no just want to insall a specific version and then use it "normally" |
| 09:27.48 | bstarek | the first cd will install the system |
| 09:28.10 | bstarek | only use the first cd...and install packages with apt-get install |
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| 09:28.25 | Trefex | all good |
| 09:28.31 | bstarek | dont burn all cds, it is a waste of time, the ressources are available online anyway |
| 09:28.42 | Trefex | am not gonna burn anything :) |
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| 09:28.58 | bstarek | dont DOWNLOAD all cds ;) |
| 09:29.37 | Trefex | hehe no no, grabbed debian-7.1.0-amd64-DVD-1.jigdo |
| 09:30.03 | Trefex | ah you mean, i could get first cd instead of dvd to be faster? |
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| 09:31.29 | bstarek | it is the same |
| 09:31.40 | Trefex | but size should be 10 times smaller i guess |
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| 09:33.06 | bstarek | could be, havent checked....why u grabing 7.1 and not 8? |
| 09:34.03 | Trefex | bstarek: somebody wants a test VM with exact same dist as their barebone server |
| 09:34.07 | Trefex | so ... here we are... |
| 09:34.42 | bstarek | whats the purpose if i may ask? |
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| 09:35.15 | _Raiz | Is there a fully free version of debian? |
| 09:35.37 | bstarek | _Raiz, Debian is FULLY FREE |
| 09:35.42 | _Raiz | No. |
| 09:35.49 | _Raiz | It contains non-free sources. |
| 09:35.52 | Trefex | bstarek: to check some problems with versions of boost library |
| 09:35.59 | Ticho | just don't enable non-free sources then |
| 09:36.04 | Ticho | nobody forces them on you |
| 09:36.07 | bstarek | Ticho, thanks |
| 09:36.23 | _Raiz | Ticho, Do i need to use the expert install to have the option to enable them or not? |
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| 09:36.42 | Ticho | _Raiz: afaik, those are not enabled by default |
| 09:36.46 | bstarek | just dont add them in sources |
| 09:37.16 | CissWit | bourreks++ |
| 09:37.22 | _Raiz | Since it's a fully free why it's not there @ gnu.org |
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| 09:37.33 | CissWit | sorry |
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| 09:38.01 | Ticho | I don't know, maybe because debian is not a GNU project? |
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| 09:39.07 | pksadiq | _Raiz: Did you read this: http://www.gnu.org/distros/common-distros.html ? |
| 09:39.36 | _Raiz | pksadiq, Oh, yes, but i'll read it again, maybe i missed something, thanks. |
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| 09:41.21 | eliasp | hi |
| 09:41.30 | _Raiz | Thanks anyway. |
| 09:41.32 | _Raiz | BB |
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| 09:41.38 | eliasp | is there a way to suppress the execution of preinst/postinst scripts? |
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| 09:45.00 | eliasp | I'd like to make APT/dpkg to only do what I explicitely ask it to do: deploy files from a package to the filesystem, but don't run any automagic mechanisms which will screw with my system… is there a way to run APT/dpkg in "deploy-only-mode"? |
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| 09:48.23 | ShadowKatStudios | >.< meanwhile ancient motherboard refusing to boot from USB |
| 09:48.51 | nkuttler | eliasp: use dpkg? how exactly does apt screw anything? |
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| 09:50.35 | eliasp | nkuttler: well, what I'm currently fighting with: the preinst script of mysql-server-5.6 decides to move /var/lib/mysql around as it likes to… which poses quite a few issues in our setup here… I'd like to keep a clear "separation of concerns" here, where the package manager deploys files to the filesystem and any application maintenance etc. is not handled by the package manager |
| 09:51.13 | valdyn | eliasp: that breaks debian |
| 09:51.21 | eliasp | so I'd like to disable any preinst/postinst/etc. scripts alltogether |
| 09:51.33 | valdyn | eliasp: that breaks debian |
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| 09:52.01 | eliasp | hm, in what regards… do those scripts have any effect on the actual package installation process/the package DB? |
| 09:52.08 | valdyn | eliasp: I think you underestimate the work you would have to do the compensate for lack of those scripts |
| 09:52.34 | eliasp | valdyn: in this specific case I'd have much less work then I'm having now working around the shortcomings ;-( |
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| 09:53.26 | eliasp | valdyn: I think don't underestimate the work… I just don't want to have the package manager control my application data |
| 09:53.42 | eliasp | I want it to purely control the package data |
| 09:54.11 | eliasp | the current situation makes it rather hard to use a Debian-based system in a configuration management driven environment |
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| 09:55.12 | nkuttler | eliasp: the preinst script moves database files around? huh? |
| 09:55.26 | valdyn | eliasp: of course you can just use dpkg -x |
| 09:55.33 | nkuttler | (anyway, databases aren't configuration, sounds like a wrong usage to me) |
| 09:55.54 | valdyn | eliasp: or create your own modified package |
| 09:56.15 | nkuttler | eliasp: or just let the distro do what it does best, and use your config management tool's db api |
| 09:56.44 | eliasp | nkuttler: yes, it move /var/lib/mysql around (and in our case: /var/lib/mysql is a symlink to another FS… which then results in the symlink's target being resolved, it's data being moved to /var/lib/mysql-backup and ending up in a full FS) |
| 09:57.09 | eliasp | nkuttler: well, configuration management + orchestration to be specific… |
| 09:57.27 | eliasp | managing the DB files is part of the environment orchestration… but that's another topic… :) |
| 09:57.30 | nkuttler | eliasp: why don't you just mount your db partition to /var/lib/mysql ? or would that not fix the problem? |
| 09:57.49 | nkuttler | eliasp: considering that binary db formats change that sounds like a risky strategy to me |
| 09:58.01 | nkuttler | but anyway :) |
| 09:58.20 | valdyn | eliasp: you shouldnt do this stuff to *debian* controlled files (like making a symlink where a directory should be) |
| 09:58.21 | eliasp | nkuttler: well, yeah… I know what's involved in upgrading a DB etc. :) |
| 09:59.00 | eliasp | valdyn: /var/lib/mysql should be under the application's control… otherwise it shouldn't be configurable by the application as "datadir" in the "[mysqld]" section ;) |
| 09:59.17 | eliasp | valdyn: and in this case the package manager conflicts with the application's data |
| 09:59.23 | valdyn | eliasp: nonsense |
| 09:59.35 | valdyn | eliasp: if it shows in dpkg -S then you shouldnt modify |
| 10:00.10 | eliasp | valdyn: well, then Debian should probably also disable the customization of "datadir" in MySQL to be fully consequent ;) |
| 10:00.43 | nkuttler | eliasp: there is a bug tracker. this probably is a wontfix though |
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| 10:00.57 | valdyn | or not a bug |
| 10:01.01 | eliasp | nkuttler: making "datadir" a debconf variable was actually requested twice and both times rejected |
| 10:01.03 | nkuttler | rather that, yeah |
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| 10:03.46 | valdyn | but that said, the package you are talking about is not even in debian, so uh |
| 10:04.10 | valdyn | (though it probably will be at some point) |
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| 10:11.39 | Trefex | even using the ISO it went to 7.8 |
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| 10:23.23 | awk | I don't to download trace stuff, but I don't want warnings in my logs |
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| 10:23.46 | commeilfaut | hello. I am having a problem after the latest nginx upgrade. My website is blank... I cannot run any php on it |
| 10:24.05 | commeilfaut | This is the guide that I had followed to set it up: http://www.binarytides.com/install-nginx-php-fpm-mariadb-debian/ |
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| 10:25.21 | commeilfaut | :/ |
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| 10:45.32 | commeilfaut | anyone here? |
| 10:45.35 | commeilfaut | i got a serious problem |
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| 10:50.28 | SynrG | commeilfaut: that guide refers to software not in debian ... |
| 10:50.38 | SynrG | ,v mariadb-server |
| 10:50.41 | judd | Package: mariadb-server on amd64 -- sid: 10.0.16-1; jessie: 10.0.16-1; stretch: 10.0.16-1; sid: 10.0.17-1 |
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| 10:50.59 | SynrG | commeilfaut: but it now *is* in jessie. did you upgrade to jessie (Debian 8.0)? |
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| 10:51.23 | SynrG | if, so, did you remove the third-party repository when you did the upgrade? |
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| 10:52.58 | SynrG | if not, what do you mean by "after the latest nginx upgrade"? since nginx has not been updated in wheezy since Nov., 2014 |
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| 10:59.32 | SynrG | commeilfaut: are you aware that debian 8.0 recently released? so if you had "stable" in your /etc/apt/sources.list, and *only* upgraded nginx, you now have a mix of nginx and its dependencies from jessie + everything else from wheezy ... |
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| 10:59.50 | commeilfaut | :/ |
| 10:59.54 | SynrG | commeilfaut: that could definitely cause problems |
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| 10:59.56 | commeilfaut | never occured that to me |
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| 11:00.05 | commeilfaut | hmm you are right |
| 11:00.11 | SynrG | what's in your sources.list? "stable" or "wheezy"? |
| 11:00.13 | commeilfaut | sorry for the wrong english phrase, im frustrated |
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| 11:00.49 | null-- | hey guys, i need to execute a script after each autofs automount |
| 11:00.54 | SynrG | if you use codenames in your sources.list, this sort of accident won't happen |
| 11:00.55 | commeilfaut | wheezy |
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| 11:01.12 | SynrG | ok, good. only wheezy? never "stable" in any of the lines? |
| 11:01.15 | commeilfaut | so this doesn't solve anything |
| 11:01.18 | commeilfaut | no no stable at all |
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| 11:01.31 | SynrG | then how is there an nginx update? i don't see one at packages.debian.org for wheezy |
| 11:01.35 | SynrG | ,v nginx |
| 11:01.36 | judd | Package: nginx on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.7.67-3+squeeze3; squeeze-security: 0.7.67-3+squeeze3; squeeze-security-lts: 0.7.67-3+squeeze4; squeeze-backports: 1.2.1-2.2~bpo60+2; wheezy-security: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy3; wheezy: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy3; wheezy-backports: 1.6.2-5~bpo70+1; stretch: 1.6.2-5; sid: 1.6.2-5; jessie: 1.6.2-5; experimental: 1.6.2-5+a.exp1 |
| 11:01.48 | SynrG | ah, security, though |
| 11:01.56 | commeilfaut | no there was one, 1.8.0 |
| 11:02.06 | SynrG | what? |
| 11:02.17 | commeilfaut | my nginx version is 1.8.0 |
| 11:02.18 | SynrG | no, that's wrong. let's see your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 11:02.25 | SynrG | well, that can't be from debian |
| 11:02.30 | SynrG | see the above version#s in debian |
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| 11:02.35 | colo-work | apt-cache policy nginx |
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| 11:02.41 | SynrG | yeah, that |
| 11:02.41 | colo-work | wil tell you where it's coming from |
| 11:02.43 | colo-work | if anywhere |
| 11:02.59 | commeilfaut | true |
| 11:03.14 | commeilfaut | i had another repo enabled as well |
| 11:03.18 | commeilfaut | coz i needed for php |
| 11:03.19 | commeilfaut | however |
| 11:03.25 | commeilfaut | in the meantime while debugging the problem |
| 11:03.31 | commeilfaut | i setup a test server with no extra repo |
| 11:03.36 | commeilfaut | and i have the same problem :/ |
| 11:03.39 | commeilfaut | php pages are blank |
| 11:03.41 | commeilfaut | white |
| 11:03.45 | commeilfaut | like nothing happens |
| 11:03.53 | commeilfaut | php5-fpm logs seem fine |
| 11:04.12 | commeilfaut | nginx site access and error logs seem fine, it is not the usual permissions socket problem |
| 11:04.15 | SynrG | "i had another repo enabled as well" <- which? |
| 11:04.35 | commeilfaut | http://packages.dotdeb.org |
| 11:04.47 | commeilfaut | http://packages.dotdeb.org wheezy all |
| 11:04.56 | SynrG | !dotdeb |
| 11:04.56 | dpkg | http://dotdeb.org/ is an unofficial package repository with emphasis on the <LAMP> solution stack, unsupported in #debian. To get support, read http://www.dotdeb.org/2012/08/24/how-to-post-useful-bug-reports/ and report any issues to https://github.com/gplessis/dotdeb-php5/issues . Ask me about <dotdeb alternatives>. |
| 11:05.02 | SynrG | we absolutely don't support that. |
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| 11:05.08 | SynrG | sorry. see dotdeb for support |
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| 11:05.32 | SynrG | and consider not using it if you prefer support from us |
| 11:05.40 | commeilfaut | yes thats what i said =[ |
| 11:05.49 | SynrG | we would really like to help, but that is not ours, and we have no idea what changes they made. |
| 11:05.51 | commeilfaut | i still have the problem at my VM (where I don't have it enabled) |
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| 11:05.55 | commeilfaut | you are right about all that |
| 11:06.13 | commeilfaut | although it doesn't apply since I am talking about another system where dotdeb isn't there, about my VM |
| 11:06.44 | SynrG | nginx 1.8 is not in debian, so if this repo isn't relevant, some *other* repo is |
| 11:06.50 | commeilfaut | ok |
| 11:06.56 | commeilfaut | i got nginx 1.6.2 |
| 11:07.27 | commeilfaut | I wrote that "in the meantime while debugging...". I setup a new, clean vm with jessie |
| 11:07.35 | commeilfaut | my apt-sources is the default one |
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| 11:08.02 | SynrG | ok, so we're debugging that, now? fine |
| 11:08.08 | commeilfaut | yes |
| 11:08.20 | commeilfaut | my php pages are blank |
| 11:08.22 | commeilfaut | white :/ |
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| 11:08.31 | SynrG | got that part. multiple times ... :) |
| 11:08.58 | SynrG | i guess we start with your configs and logs. however, i really don't have any expertise with nginx. |
| 11:09.13 | SynrG | hopefully once you provide the necessary info (use paste.debian.net), others here will be able to interpret. |
| 11:09.22 | commeilfaut | ok |
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| 11:09.35 | SynrG | otherwise, your description of your symptom is just far too vague for anyone to be able to help |
| 11:09.36 | commeilfaut | is there anytool from debian to paste directly from cmdline to paste.debian.net? |
| 11:09.41 | SynrG | yes |
| 11:09.42 | SynrG | !nopaste |
| 11:09.42 | dpkg | nopaste is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install libapp-nopaste-perl; nopaste /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | nopaste". |
| 11:10.08 | SynrG | and i have to go now anyway. getting ready to leave for the office. good luck |
| 11:10.28 | commeilfaut | :/ |
| 11:10.37 | commeilfaut | ok then |
| 11:11.03 | SynrG | no worries, though. we thrive on details. if you provide them and then patiently wait, someone ought to take notice :) |
| 11:11.23 | SynrG | later |
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| 11:11.30 | commeilfaut | im waiting for someone else to respond |
| 11:11.32 | commeilfaut | cya thanks |
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| 11:14.21 | ShadowKatStudios | so uh, the installer is freaking out |
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| 11:14.34 | ShadowKatStudios | 'Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 0' |
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| 11:18.59 | ktlr | Can somebody help me ? I tried to create a debian package but when I am trying to restart the services the debian installer doesn't exists . It is waiting for nothing and nothing will be happened :( Did someone meet any similar problems ? |
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| 11:20.38 | teraflop | ShadowKatStudios: that cd copy is defective or maybe your optical drive is (possibly the lens) |
| 11:21.48 | ShadowKatStudios | It's some cheap CD drive I found laying around |
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| 11:22.05 | teraflop | ShadowKatStudios: or the cd itself ... |
| 11:22.10 | teraflop | cd/dvd |
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| 11:22.20 | ShadowKatStudios | I tried mounting my USB (with the installer, the cheap 1999 motherboard won't boot from it) as /media/cdrom but it doesn't seem to have worked |
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| 11:22.50 | Brigo | ktlr, there is no relation between debian package, restarting services and debian installer. So your are doing something wrong. |
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| 11:24.57 | teraflop | Brigo: o/ |
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| 11:25.14 | Brigo | teraflop, \o :) |
| 11:25.54 | ktlr | I changed the start function in the services script which always run the following command : log_end_msg 0 and exit 0 . I have read the following articles http://askubuntu.com/questions/492871/what-is-the-right-way-to-restart-dependent-services-while-package-installation but they didn't lead to the solution :( |
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| 11:26.07 | dcpc007 | hello, i'm trying to migrate a service script to debian with stop-star-daemon, but the stop from the appli must be "<binary_file> -stopSvc" and not send a kill signal. Is it possible ? |
| 11:26.59 | dcpc007 | (script come from private society, script made for RedHat, and they don't support Debian) |
| 11:27.07 | dcpc007 | like always ... |
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| 11:27.58 | Che-Anarc | In latest - 8.0 - release - has systemv been replaced with systemd? - just wondering how it'll effect my existing start-up scripts from older < 7.x releases? |
| 11:27.59 | dcpc007 | and i haven't the source code, then don't know what should really do the -stopSvc option ... |
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| 11:28.18 | valdyn | Che-Anarc: the scripts work fine |
| 11:28.20 | ktlr | Brigo, What do you mean under that ? I redistributed packages for my webapp which contains everything and everything is installed into the /opt/<my-application-name> after then I created symlinks from the services scripts into to /etc/init.d which can be found under directory : /opt/my-application/etc/init.d |
| 11:28.52 | valdyn | Che-Anarc: the timing of the startup will however be different. Sometimes that may break something. |
| 11:29.11 | Che-Anarc | valdyn, so I can continue with placing my script in /etc/init.d/ & then "update-rc.d ...." ? |
| 11:29.15 | ktlr | Brigo, And if I only stopping the services then the installer works properly :) So I really don't understand what would be the problem with my postinst script :) |
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| 11:29.21 | Brigo | ktlr, that's new for me, explain all the problem, please. |
| 11:29.24 | valdyn | Che-Anarc: yes |
| 11:29.50 | Che-Anarc | valdyn, oh thats very nice to know I was rather worried I'd have to try and adapt them to units, etc. |
| 11:30.05 | ktlr | Brigo, Just a minute please , I am going to smoke after I will explain everything for you :) |
| 11:30.20 | valdyn | Che-Anarc: its trivial to put a script into a unit script, so systemd does that automagically. |
| 11:30.39 | valdyn | Che-Anarc: of course would wont get to use the new features then |
| 11:30.52 | valdyn | Che-Anarc: of course they wont get to use the new features then |
| 11:31.15 | Brigo | ktlr, i think you better explain it carefully in #debian-mentors channel, in OFTC network, they could help you much better than me. I know almost nothing about packaging. |
| 11:31.55 | Che-Anarc | valdyn, right - the last time I check the difficulty I had was matching "case" statements like "service. .... custom_action" |
| 11:32.35 | valdyn | Che-Anarc: you can look into /run/systemd/generator* to see the result |
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| 11:32.55 | valdyn | Che-Anarc: (after a reboot or after "systemctl daemon-reload") |
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| 11:35.54 | talin_ | hello. is it possible to install python3.3 with apt-get? |
| 11:36.03 | talin_ | on wheezy |
| 11:36.14 | valdyn | talin_: just dont even try |
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| 11:36.50 | jelly | talin_: nope |
| 11:36.55 | jelly | ,v python3.3 |
| 11:36.56 | judd | No package named 'python3.3' was found in amd64. |
| 11:37.02 | jelly | ,v python3 |
| 11:37.03 | judd | Package: python3 on amd64 -- squeeze: 3.1.3-12+squeeze1; wheezy: 3.2.3-6; stretch: 3.4.2-2; jessie: 3.4.2-2; sid: 3.4.2-2; experimental: 3.4.3-1 |
| 11:37.20 | talin_ | i tried to compile and stuff in my homedir |
| 11:37.24 | talin_ | but make test fails also |
| 11:37.37 | ktlr | Brigo, Thats not a good news :( |
| 11:37.39 | valdyn | talin_: is there a good reason why you must have it? |
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| 11:37.55 | ktlr | I need somebody who has a lot of experience of packaging :) |
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| 11:38.00 | talin_ | valdyn: yes, i have several hundred python tests that don't work with 3.4 (lots of timeouts everywhere) |
| 11:38.29 | valdyn | talin_: ok, but 3.4 is not in wheezy either |
| 11:38.38 | Brigo | ktlr, they are in that channel, i think that is a good news, you know how to find them :) |
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| 11:41.01 | ktlr | Brigo, I am going to check that channel :) thx |
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| 11:42.10 | Brigo | ktlr, good luck :) |
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| 11:42.21 | anddam | nice, I manage to solve the urxvt and clipboard issue |
| 11:42.28 | anddam | I just went out to lunch and now it works |
| 11:42.31 | anddam | +1 for me |
| 11:43.02 | Brigo | anddam, i like your way :) |
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| 11:43.24 | anddam | lunch FTW |
| 11:43.36 | anddam | not always reproducible as technique tho' |
| 11:43.43 | anddam | sometime you have to drop a dinner at that |
| 11:44.18 | talin_ | valdyn: where can you see what packages exist for which version? |
| 11:44.20 | anddam | is there a backup service for backing up user config? |
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| 11:44.49 | anddam | should I just backup the whole system? and what are the options for that in debian? |
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| 11:45.27 | valdyn | anddam: google it |
| 11:45.46 | anddam | ok, I thought that there was some known factoid |
| 11:45.54 | anddam | like "in Debian we do backup with XXX" |
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| 11:46.37 | anddam | btw here's the issue with urxvt and clipboard again, but I hadn't considered I was trying that in weechat in tmux |
| 11:46.56 | VIkram99 | hi all, i am trying to upgrade Debian 6 to 7 and am getting the following error: E: The value 'squeeze-lts' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources |
| 11:46.57 | anddam | one of those two is responsible of the issue since plain rxvt correctly works |
| 11:47.22 | anddam | !squeeze-lts |
| 11:47.22 | dpkg | Volunteer-provided security support for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" will continue until 2016-02-06 for a limited set of packages for i386 and amd64. An appropriate line for your sources.list is «deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze-lts main». See also the «check-support-status» command from the debian-security-support package and https://wiki.debian.org/LTS for more information. #debian-lts on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 11:48.02 | anddam | VIkram99: I'd suggest to bpaste your sources.list along with the actual command and output |
| 11:49.18 | VIkram99 | anddam: Squeeze & LTS sources https://gist.github.com/anonymous/58c8ceb5ab56c72c1e60 |
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| 11:50.16 | VIkram99 | Wheezy sources: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/3651cea9d976f07b73e7 |
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| 11:50.50 | VIkram99 | dist-upgrade error: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/7fd80520ae656da1c573 |
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| 11:59.02 | miskatonic | what will be the release after Jessie? |
| 11:59.26 | petn-randall | miskatonic: stretch. |
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| 12:01.54 | VIkram99 | is it possible to dist-upgrade from Squeeze-LTS to Wheezy? |
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| 12:02.42 | shay_shay | VIkram99: yes, still possible |
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| 12:03.33 | jelly | dpkg, tell VIkram99 about squeeze->wheezy |
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| 12:03.56 | Eduard_Munteanu | Is it possible to add my own packages / override packages using my own repo when (c)debootstrapping? |
| 12:04.13 | jelly | shay_shay: not only is it "still" possible, that will remain the only support path forever |
| 12:04.23 | jelly | supported* upgrade path |
| 12:04.45 | VIkram99 | shay_shay: i did apt-get update, then apt-get upgrade on Squeeze-LTS, then added repos for Wheezy in the sources.list file and repeated apt-get update & upgrade, i get an error when doing dist-upgrade |
| 12:05.05 | jelly | VIkram99: did you read wheezy release notes? |
| 12:05.07 | VIkram99 | dist-upgrade error: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/7fd80520ae656da1c573 |
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| 12:07.21 | jelly | VIkram99: for a start, remove Default-Release from your /etc/apt/apt.conf, or find other mention of squeeze-lts under /etc/apt/ |
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| 12:09.56 | VIkram99 | jelly: that fixed it (removing Squeeze-LTS from Default-Release) in /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 12:11.06 | VIkram99 | thank you :) |
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| 12:27.48 | is_null | hi all, i'm wondering why i've seen ~100 deployments in lxc fail since yesterday for reason "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!, -y was used without --force-yes". I have read https://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt and I understand it, i'm using debian lxc template to boot fresh containers and that template does take care of the keyring. I'm wondering if this could have something to do with |
| 12:27.54 | is_null | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:28.18 | is_null | note, apt-get install in my case happens ~5 minutes after debootstrap created the system |
| 12:29.52 | is_null | note that i'm talking about ~100/150, not 100% of failures |
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| 12:31.04 | somiaj | is_null: have you tried to manually fix one of the failures to determine what the actual cause is? |
| 12:32.33 | anddam | and solved the urxvt mistery, for who's interested it's weechat mode mouse (unlike tmux's that works just fine), so it's just a matter of disabling mouse support with the builtin alt-m and copying works |
| 12:32.49 | anddam | I challenge you to type something I cannot copy |
| 12:33.22 | is_null | i'm going to generate another batch in non-self-deleting mode on our ci server and a few jobs will probably fail for that, it'll take ~30 minutes or something, thanks for the heads up somiaj |
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| 12:34.51 | darxmurf | hi all |
| 12:34.58 | themill | is_null: you'd need to look at the actual error message from apt upgrade |
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| 12:35.20 | darxmurf | is there any reason to install network-manager on a simple debian server ? |
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| 12:36.01 | petn-randall | darxmurf: Only makes sense if it changes network environments frequently. |
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| 12:36.22 | darxmurf | nop |
| 12:36.34 | darxmurf | and there is also wpa-supplicant by the way Oo |
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| 12:36.46 | darxmurf | who installed this machine -.- |
| 12:36.53 | is_null | themill: how ? that's all the output i get from apt: http://dpaste.com/0RQK3GN |
| 12:37.03 | petn-randall | darxmurf: Probably someone started out with a desktop installation? |
| 12:37.13 | darxmurf | looks like yes :/ |
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| 12:37.21 | petn-randall | I've seen quite a few of those where our customers had to deploy the OS themselves. |
| 12:37.33 | darxmurf | well, I stopped network-manager service and I can still ssh on it... I will uninstall it |
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| 12:37.36 | darxmurf | :) |
| 12:37.36 | bezaban | I once encountered a VM running a database server with full desktop install :( |
| 12:37.39 | no_maam | Hi |
| 12:37.55 | no_maam | Could someone confirm that xserver-xorg-video-intel is currently uninstallable on unstable? |
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| 12:38.14 | bezaban | after some years working with odds and ends I am starting to realize that there are a lot of unqualified people in many positions |
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| 12:38.20 | darxmurf | :D |
| 12:38.36 | petn-randall | no_maam: Check out #debian-next on irc.oftc.net, where testing/unstable are supported. |
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| 12:39.01 | bezaban | oh, this is #debian. I'll stop drifting. sorry |
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| 12:39.40 | somiaj | no_maam: or just check the BTS, usually major bugs like that are reported fairly quickly. |
| 12:40.01 | somiaj | no_maam: it doesn't say you didn't find a bug, but I find that better place to look first. |
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| 12:40.43 | darxmurf | bezaban: I had ssh access on the public web server of a big company here... the asked me to have a look because it was slow... Result : opensuze, KDE running, firefox running, Nepomuk running (file indexing tool), apache and some other stuff... |
| 12:41.17 | somiaj | could be worse, they could have been using webmin.../me hides. |
| 12:41.27 | darxmurf | :D |
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| 12:42.34 | bezaban | :( |
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| 12:43.48 | darxmurf | I'm wondering if they changed their install |
| 12:44.05 | themill | is_null: that's not the update command, that's the install command |
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| 12:47.41 | no_maam | somiaj: it's just a dependency problem, not a bug in a post-install script or something like that itself |
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| 12:48.52 | somiaj | no_maam: dependency problems are still considered bugs if they can't be met. |
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| 12:53.34 | is_null | themill: ok, so it's run twice, the first time by my test.sh script through lxc-attach, the second time by the saltstack recipe i'm testing: http://dpaste.com/0DY8VEG i wonder what's wrong here |
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| 13:00.50 | is_null | themill: here's an example where just after apt-get update, apt-get install fails in the same manner: http://dpaste.com/3W7MFGB on a fresh lxc container |
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| 13:02.38 | themill | is_null: apt would normally complain and tell you why. I wonder if -q is suppressing that. |
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| 13:04.55 | is_null | interresting, thanks for the heads up |
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| 13:05.55 | themill | is_null: in the 'update' command that is -- that's where the problem is. |
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| 13:08.27 | is_null | yep, got it, thanks |
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| 13:13.18 | is_null | themill: is it possible that packages have been signed with a new key between apt-get update and apt-get install ? |
| 13:13.29 | themill | no |
| 13:13.36 | is_null | yeah it shouldn't |
| 13:13.50 | is_null | now it seems like it's working again ... |
| 13:14.21 | themill | The error is only at update time |
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| 13:21.15 | is_null | same issue without -q: http://dpaste.com/1FMNJPT |
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| 13:26.23 | bruceleez | I just installed debian and have no GUI (during the install process nothing happened during package manager install section) - I installed debian netinstall 280mb |
| 13:26.31 | bruceleez | any advice how to get gui? |
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| 13:27.30 | petn-randall | bruceleez: Did the installation run through without problems, or did it fail at some point? |
| 13:27.38 | karlpinc | I've had at least 2 WD Green drives die on me and this is probably why: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Advanced_Format#Special_Consideration_for_WD_Green_HDDs Too many load/park head cycles. hdparm -J says an inactivity timeout of 30 seconds is good for Linux. Why? Is there anything to be said about idle3ctl? (http://idle3-tools.sourceforge.net/) I'm thinking of sending a patch in for the hardware section of the install |
| 13:27.38 | karlpinc | manual. Comments? |
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| 13:28.42 | bruceleez | petn-randall, Initially i had a problem with the install not finding the cd-rom even though i was installing via usb - I fixed that. Then later it was telling me it couldn't find a firmware but I was allowed to skip that requirement |
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| 13:29.59 | petn-randall | bruceleez: The first one happens if you use things like unetbootin, which mangle the image. |
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| 13:30.20 | bruceleez | during the install process the "configure package manager" and install software section just didn't work |
| 13:30.23 | brokencycle | Hi! |
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| 13:30.57 | bruceleez | i used pendrivelinux to import debian onto usbdrive |
| 13:31.09 | brokencycle | I am trying to install Jessie on a Dell machine "XPS 8700", which is a minitower design. |
| 13:31.31 | bruceleez | @ petn-randall |
| 13:32.00 | brokencycle | The machine has two disks, a 32GB SSD, and a 2TB SATA disk, which I want to use |
| 13:33.00 | bruceleez | what's the alternative to unetbootin/pendrivelinux - do I have to reinstall debian or is there an alternative solution with what I already have? |
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| 13:34.10 | petn-randall | bruceleez: The release manual has steps how to prepare a USB device properly for an installation image. But to clarify: Did you install *onto* USB, or are you using USB as a boot image to install on *disk*? |
| 13:34.19 | fred2k | hi, i would like to run some (insecure) services (valves srcds/hlds) in an easy chroot. what would i use fpr this under debian? |
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| 13:34.49 | karlpinc | bruceleez: You probably have a minimal install, although it's hard to say. You could probably use either tasksel or just aptitude or apt-get to install the packages you want. Might be best to figure out a little more about what you have before starting down that road. |
| 13:35.24 | bruceleez | petn-randall, I just used the default option in pendrivelinux (for netinstal) to put files onto my usb |
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| 13:35.51 | karlpinc | fred2k: Chroot it not so good. You probably want something like lxc (linux containers). |
| 13:36.22 | karlpinc | bruceleez: You put the installer onto a usb drive and then installed from that onto a hard drive? |
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| 13:36.44 | fred2k | karlpinc: thanks, i'll check that. The reason for chroot is that i want it easy and it should still could access all resources |
| 13:36.46 | bruceleez | is there a quick and easy way to take a minimal debian installation and convert it into a full installation? |
| 13:37.03 | karlpinc | fred2k: That's what linux containers are for. |
| 13:37.10 | fred2k | karlpinc: ok thanks |
| 13:37.15 | bruceleez | correct karlpinc |
| 13:37.17 | karlpinc | bruceleez: Just run tasksel. |
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| 13:37.48 | brokencycle | to install Debian on. |
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| 13:38.08 | darxmurf | how can I do in perl to do an if based on kernel version |
| 13:38.10 | karlpinc | bruceleez: Wouldn't hurt to do a "aptitude update" or "apt-get update" first. |
| 13:38.16 | darxmurf | if version >= 3.13 then |
| 13:38.18 | darxmurf | else |
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| 13:38.40 | darxmurf | I found something like my ($kernver, @rest) = split('-', `uname -r`); |
| 13:38.40 | brokencycle | Unfortunately, the installer insists on configuring iSCSI volumes, instead of simply offering me "sdb" to configure, |
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| 13:38.46 | darxmurf | but it return 3.16.0 |
| 13:38.51 | darxmurf | which is not an integer |
| 13:38.54 | brokencycle | which is the device name that I find in dmesg. |
| 13:39.08 | brokencycle | How do I proceed from there? |
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| 13:39.34 | bruceleez | karlpinc, ok - first "apt-get update" and then run tasksel to install desktop (cinnamon?). Is there anyway to verify I definately have a minimal install? |
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| 13:39.55 | fred2k | checking google its says and i am using jessie already: upgrade to "Jessie" breaks the container |
| 13:39.59 | fred2k | for lxc |
| 13:40.15 | fred2k | is that true, lxc not usable on jessie currently? |
| 13:40.23 | fred2k | useable* |
| 13:40.35 | fred2k | or it just breaks old containers? |
| 13:41.00 | karlpinc | fred2k: A container always runs the os that is containing it. |
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| 13:42.04 | GPenguin | is there a way to stop logrotate and rotate logs manually after reviewing them? |
| 13:42.04 | fred2k | ok, i see, so it will work in jessie? just upgrading from wheezy to jessie wont, right? |
| 13:42.16 | freezer_ | just had some fresh strawberries, awesome |
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| 13:43.12 | karlpinc | bruceleez: You could use apt to list all your packages and see if any have a higher prioirity than (iirc) minimal. But it's probably not worth it. What's most important is that your sources.list file is correct, contains the debian security repos, etc. |
| 13:43.42 | karlpinc | GPenguin: logrotate is run from cron, so you control it there. |
| 13:43.57 | karlpinc | GPenguin: Probably from /etc/cron.daily/ |
| 13:44.10 | karlpinc | fred2k: Right. |
| 13:44.48 | karlpinc | fred2k: I'm not sure what the deal is with upgrading what's in the containers. But certainly you can't do the regular OS upgrade process. |
| 13:44.48 | GPenguin | karlpinc: thanks so far |
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| 13:46.03 | fred2k | bruceleez: ok, thanks a lot |
| 13:46.04 | karlpinc | brokencycle: iSCSI seems strange. Perhaps expert mode will help, but seems like there's something else going on. |
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| 13:46.23 | brokencycle | I am already in expert mode. |
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| 13:46.38 | bruceleez | ok I'll try it out - see you soon |
| 13:47.02 | karlpinc | brokencycle: Well you can always switch to a vt with a shell and do anthing you want manually, then skip the partition step in the installer. |
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| 13:47.37 | karlpinc | brokencycle: There's a vt with logs too. That might help figure out what's going on. |
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| 13:48.25 | brokencycle | karlpinc: thanks. I was unaware of the logs vt, but it says: "sdb: unknown partition table" |
| 13:48.50 | karlpinc | brokencycle: I think the installer has file -s. |
| 13:48.55 | brokencycle | I should have an option to create a partition table, right? But it did not come up. |
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| 13:49.50 | karlpinc | brokencycle: Try file -s /dev/sdb |
| 13:50.07 | karlpinc | brokencycle: Maybe it's recognizing it and not wanting to clobber something or another. |
| 13:50.24 | brokencycle | ~/bin/sh: file: not found |
| 13:50.52 | brokencycle | that's in busybox |
| 13:50.52 | karlpinc | brokencycle: Ok. Makes sense. Guess it's not there. |
| 13:51.22 | karlpinc | brokencycle: You could try #debian-next on irc.otfc.net. They are the installer guys. Mostly interested in development but might be interested in your problem. |
| 13:52.06 | brokencycle | karlpinc: thanks for the pointer! |
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| 14:12.54 | fred2k | mhm for lxc, if i have a eth0:1 in my host and want that ipv4 used in the lxc, what do i use? bridge? can i use the public ipv4 in the host and the lxc? (saying that if i try to bind a port in lxc that is already used by the host-system it says unable to bind port) |
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| 14:17.42 | karlpinc | fred2k: Haven't done it. Can't help. What does ifconfig (or ip link) say inside the container? Have you tested to see whether networking works without you having to do anything? |
| 14:17.51 | karlpinc | fred2k: See also the readme.debian |
| 14:17.57 | karlpinc | !tell fred2k about readme.debian |
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| 14:18.44 | fred2k | karlpinc: ok thanks again, i test it currently |
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| 14:21.26 | nullbyte_ | how can i update firefox in 8.0 |
| 14:21.41 | nullbyte_ | there is no selection for browser firefox in mozilla.debian.net |
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| 14:41.57 | tuxcrafter | https://packages.debian.org/sid/pacemaker how do i figure out where pacemaker is in debian stable |
| 14:42.08 | tuxcrafter | i upgraded my cluster and pacemaker wasnt there anymore.. |
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| 14:43.42 | buu | tuxcrafter: well, its in sid |
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| 14:45.30 | lotherk | hey there |
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| 14:49.36 | lotherk | I'm using jessie on an thinkpad t450s. I've installed linux-image-4.0.0-trunk from experimental repository as the 4.0 kernel has fixes for the trackpad and I think other stuff regarding the t450s, too. problem now is that I can not install the kernel headers due to missing linux-kbuild-4.0. is there any way I can get the headers without building linux-kbuild by myself? (read about that somewhere on the net). I also tried to just do |
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| 14:52.34 | tuxcrafter | buu: how can i figure out why it is not in stable anymore? |
| 14:52.35 | bs4h | 4.0 kernel? (checks date, not April 1st) wuuuut? |
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| 14:54.31 | marlun | I've got debian 8 installed on a virtualbox, when I ssh into it using -X, $DISPLAY still seem to be empty. /etc/ssh/sshd_config has" X11Forwarding yes". My host OS is OS X. Am I missing something? |
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| 14:57.11 | bezaban | bs4h: linus made a poll, it's completely arbitrary and does not reflect any major changes :) |
| 14:57.12 | krebis | marlun: you have use iTerm ? |
| 14:57.36 | marlun | krebis: I'm using iTerm2 yes. |
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| 14:57.58 | bs4h | bezaban: so no Visual Basic rewrite yet? |
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| 15:00.21 | krebis | marlun: i using that configuration - Report Terminal Type (xterm-256color), its fine to access |
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| 15:03.07 | marlun | krebis: I'm sorry but I don't understand. |
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| 15:04.52 | krebis | marlun: see in configuration on iTerm2, its set this Report Terminal Type (xterm-256color), normally when you trie login in VM |
| 15:05.44 | marlun | krebis: that's already set |
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| 15:16.03 | jelly | lotherk: nope, build it yourself |
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| 15:16.26 | lotherk | jelly: alright, thanks |
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| 15:16.56 | jelly | uploads to experimental often lack the kbuild component because it's technically build from a different source package |
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| 15:17.00 | jelly | !kbuild |
| 15:17.00 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, linux-kbuild-2.6 is http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage#The_story_of_linux-tools |
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| 15:21.17 | Furai | Hey, I have problems with my openfire installation after upgrading it. Do you have any ideas if there is some support channel or anything for it? |
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| 15:22.34 | bazhang | ,v openfire |
| 15:22.35 | judd | No package named 'openfire' was found in amd64. |
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| 15:25.58 | shay_shay | bezaban: funny how people get so worked up over arbritrary things. besides its better to avoid bugs which might confuse 3.20 it with Linux 3.2, similar to the theroretical windows 9 > windows 95 bugs |
| 15:27.35 | shay_shay | or maybe the collective consciousness of the Linux community is subtly punning windows 10 |
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| 15:29.13 | Wikked | May i get some help with 8.0 |
| 15:29.17 | Furai | bazhang, thanks for the try. I've actually managed to fix it. |
| 15:29.21 | Wikked | reguarding an eggdrop |
| 15:29.24 | petn-randall | Wikked: Only if you ask. |
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| 15:30.25 | Wikked | I try to complie eggdrop and i keep getting checking for "Tcl library... not found". however tcl and tcl-dev are both installed |
| 15:30.46 | jelly | ,v eggdrop |
| 15:30.48 | judd | Package: eggdrop on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.6.19-1.2; wheezy: 1.6.20-1; stretch: 1.6.21-4; sid: 1.6.21-4; jessie: 1.6.21-4 |
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| 15:31.15 | jelly | Wikked: maybe 1.6.21 from the distro would be good enough for you instead of compiling |
| 15:31.20 | brokencycle | petn-randall: http://pastie.org/10175985 |
| 15:31.35 | Wikked | ok i can try that |
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| 15:33.00 | petn-randall | karlpinc: Jessie is released and supported here. You don't have to send those people over to #debian-next anymore :) |
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| 15:33.38 | SynrG | karlpinc: and #debian-next is not "the installer guys" |
| 15:33.48 | SynrG | it's support for testing/unstable |
| 15:33.51 | jelly | the installer people are in #debian-boot |
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| 15:37.53 | SynrG | brokencycle: i guess we need to determine if there is any element of user error in this or not ... |
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| 15:38.29 | brokencycle | SynrG: ok... |
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| 15:38.45 | SynrG | brokencycle: it's possible, as petn-randall hinted elsewhere, to screw up writing the install media by using unetbootin |
| 15:39.08 | SynrG | did you use unetbootin to master the install media, or did you use the documented procedure to write it, as spelled out in the install guide? |
| 15:39.24 | SynrG | !usb install |
| 15:39.25 | dpkg | You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03 and ask me about <install debian> for hybrid CD/DVD images. Use http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ to write images from Windows. For BIOSes not capable of USB boot, ask me about <plop>. |
| 15:40.12 | brokencycle | SynrG: I downloaded the Jessie installer DVD with jigdo, starting here: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.0.0/amd64/jigdo-dvd/debian-8.0.0-amd64-DVD-1.jigdo |
| 15:40.20 | brokencycle | and am trying to use that. |
| 15:40.33 | SynrG | written to what? USB, or optical media? |
| 15:40.50 | brokencycle | written to a writable DVD |
| 15:41.06 | karlpinc | petn-randall: Ok. |
| 15:41.15 | brokencycle | The machine has a LiteON drive |
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| 15:42.00 | shay_shay | DVD installs are hairy sometimes |
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| 15:42.47 | brokencycle | shay_shay: yes, the network driver(s) are only loaded about one in two or three boots |
| 15:42.59 | shay_shay | they are much more likely to lock up, etc... |
| 15:43.13 | brokencycle | alternatively, I can write a CD image to a USB stick and try that |
| 15:43.24 | shay_shay | that's recommended |
| 15:43.47 | brokencycle | shay_shay: ok, but why? I thought the difference between CD and DVD was basically the amount of packages included |
| 15:44.09 | shay_shay | you can write the DVD image to the USB stick |
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| 15:44.26 | shay_shay | there is no difference, except the USB stick is faster and more reliable |
| 15:44.36 | SynrG | shay_shay: as per the usb install factoid above, the image is hybrid, so you can just copy it to the USB stick device node |
| 15:44.42 | SynrG | s/shay_shay/brokencycle/ |
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| 15:45.08 | brokencycle | SynrG: nope, the stick has only 2g |
| 15:45.10 | shay_shay | if you had a large enough USB stick you could even put the dual layer blueray image on it |
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| 15:45.19 | SynrG | brokencycle: "the network driver(s) are only loaded about one in two or three boots" sounds like some firmware loading race case :( |
| 15:45.31 | SynrG | brokencycle: ah. you could use netinst with that |
| 15:45.45 | SynrG | brokencycle: do you need non-free firmware? if so, there's this: |
| 15:45.46 | shay_shay | brokencycle: In most cases a net install is faster than installing from a optical dvd |
| 15:45.46 | brokencycle | SynrG: netinst with a driver out of non-free |
| 15:45.48 | SynrG | !firmware image |
| 15:45.49 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
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| 15:46.06 | SynrG | brokencycle: i assume you mean 'firmware' out of non-free, not 'driver' out of non-free |
| 15:46.09 | petn-randall | You can verify the DVD image in the menu at start. If that says the DVD is ok, there's nothing to worry. |
| 15:46.11 | SynrG | brokencycle: which network chipset? |
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| 15:46.29 | lgp171188 | What is the default font for terminal in Debian? I changed it to something else and cannot figure out what was the original font |
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| 15:46.46 | SynrG | network chipsets with non-free drivers are few and far between. but non-free firmware is common. |
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| 15:48.38 | brokencycle | SynrG: the installer asked for rtl8168g-2.fw |
| 15:48.41 | SynrG | lgp171188: don't know if it's the default, but Monospace |
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| 15:49.24 | SynrG | brokencycle: yeah. that's a firmware. see the above factoid & link to netinst including non-free firmware. |
| 15:49.43 | lgp171188 | SynrG even I suspected and set it, but it looks different |
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| 15:50.09 | lgp171188 | or maybe it is just my perception |
| 15:50.41 | SynrG | possibly dejavu then |
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| 15:51.14 | SynrG | seems less likely though |
| 15:51.21 | shay_shay | lgp171188: in which terminal emulator? |
| 15:51.30 | brokencycle | SynrG: thanks, will give this a try |
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| 15:52.10 | SynrG | brokencycle: good luck |
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| 15:52.30 | brokencycle | SynrG: thank you! |
| 15:53.01 | karlpinc | There, just filed Bug#784661. I wonder if Jessie is new enough that the patch might make it into the installation manual? |
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| 16:02.49 | hikenboot | hi created a desktop shortcut file http://paste.debian.net/172650/ I try and use the command sudo xdg-desktop-menu install --novendor --mode system /usr/src/default/usr/share/applications/virtual-center.desktop |
| 16:03.02 | hikenboot | but it doesnt create the menu |
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| 16:03.37 | hikenboot | any ideas as to what is wrong |
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| 16:03.41 | hikenboot | it returns no error |
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| 16:26.55 | rypervenche | Is it Ok to use SysV on Debian Jessie? I saw this link: http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/How_to_remove_systemd_from_a_Debian_jessie/sid_installation Are there any negative side effects to doing this? |
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| 16:29.19 | ChrisH | rypervenche: why do you want to use SysV init? |
| 16:29.23 | shay_shay | lgp171188: monospace 13 |
| 16:30.03 | GNU\colossus | rypervenche, you mean, aside from running an unarguably inferior service management stack? |
| 16:30.17 | shay_shay | lgp171188: the default size is 11 or 12 actually but I recommend 13 |
| 16:30.24 | lgp171188 | shay_shay: Yay! |
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| 16:31.49 | jelly | rypervenche: it's ok if you need it, or not have time to investigate differences at present time |
| 16:32.44 | greycat | If you don't have time to investigate the jessie changes, I'd just stay on wheezy. |
| 16:32.57 | lord_rob | thinks systemd is the current troll subject :) |
| 16:33.06 | jelly | greycat: not jessie changes, systemd changes. |
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| 16:33.22 | rypervenche | ChrisH: GNU\colossus: Not going to start a flame war here. I have my reasons. I was simply curious about the effect on a jessie system. If it were REQUIRED or if it is possible to change. From my understanding the release after Jessie it won't be possible to choose. |
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| 16:34.45 | ChrisH | rypervenche: Neither did I, therefore I asked. If you are new to Linux get used to systemd. All major Distros (and all with Enterprise in name) moved or will move to systemd. |
| 16:34.50 | jelly | rypervenche: I don't remember reading about anything like that being a release goal for stretch. |
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| 16:35.20 | lord_rob | if I remember correctly, you could choose systemd or not at boot time (grub) |
| 16:35.28 | jelly | rypervenche: where does this unerstanding come from? |
| 16:35.55 | anddam | random thoughts: systemd-ui is totally useless, there's a whole wiki page about backing up a system (that I asked earlier), why in the world isn't netatalk in jessie and more important why didn't I install it using stow |
| 16:36.22 | anddam | I have to say I'm enjoying my debian as main system |
| 16:36.24 | ChrisH | Cool: Jessie Installer offers backports duing installation! |
| 16:36.41 | rypervenche | I suppose you could say it is the opposite of understanding, lack of knowledge. I'll set up a VM and install Jessie and see for myself. I'm a Gentoo user myself, so systemd is not forced on me. I have no problem running/using it, however. I am just curious of my options. |
| 16:36.43 | anddam | ChrisH: does it? I didn't saw it |
| 16:37.02 | anddam | see, even |
| 16:37.29 | ChrisH | anddam: I just clicked it on a Jessie install session. |
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| 17:02.59 | jhutchins | I think it depends on how much trouble there is with systemd, and how much trouble it is to continue to maintain SysV compatibility. |
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| 17:03.42 | jhutchins | RedHat is the main force behinds systemd, and they're committed to supporting SysV in 7 at least, and it will be quite a while before they bring out 8. |
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| 17:04.30 | greycat | Debian's more than capable of deciding what to do with its own init system without Red Hat pulling their strings. |
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| 17:05.24 | jhutchins | Yes, but the manpower RedHat puts behind core system development is not something they can duplicate or ignore. |
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| 17:24.36 | brokencycle | SynrG: As an update, the firmware-nonfree-netinst image sees the disk correctly. |
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| 17:25.12 | brokencycle | Now I am facing the problem of installing into a RAID which must be in degraded mode because I don't yet have the second disk. |
| 17:25.37 | brokencycle | But the installer does not seem to want to create this kind of RAID and present it to me in the partitioning dialogue. |
| 17:25.44 | brokencycle | Any idea how to accomplish this? |
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| 17:27.30 | fred1807 | Please, ELI5 fred1807: please, ELI5, how do I update this app, s3cmd, I installed from apt-get, with the last version from https://github.com/s3tools/s3cmd ? I am on jessie 8.0 |
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| 17:27.57 | greycat | ,v s3cmd |
| 17:27.58 | judd | Package: s3cmd on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.9.9.91-1; wheezy: 1.1.0~beta3-1; jessie: 1.5.0~rc1-2; stretch: 1.5.0~rc1-2; experimental: 1.5.2-1; sid: 1.5.2-2 |
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| 17:29.09 | fred1807 | ,v s3cmd |
| 17:29.10 | judd | Package: s3cmd on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.9.9.91-1; wheezy: 1.1.0~beta3-1; jessie: 1.5.0~rc1-2; stretch: 1.5.0~rc1-2; experimental: 1.5.2-1; sid: 1.5.2-2 |
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| 17:29.32 | fred1807 | ,v mpd |
| 17:29.34 | judd | Package: mpd on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.15.12-1.1; wheezy: 0.16.7-2+b1; wheezy-backports: 0.17.6-1~bpo70+1; sid: 0.19.1-1.1; jessie: 0.19.1-1.1; stretch: 0.19.1-1.1; experimental: 0.19.9-1; sid-multimedia: 1:0.19.9-dmo2; jessie-multimedia: 1:0.19.9-dmo2 |
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| 17:30.10 | fred1807 | I have now idea how to substitute the app, without ending with 2 apps and sometimes wrongly calling the old bin |
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| 17:30.42 | greycat | Which version of which package do you need? |
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| 17:34.12 | fred1807 | greycat: I am on Jessie and I need the last version of s3cmd |
| 17:34.22 | greycat | Which version do you need? |
| 17:34.36 | fred1807 | I am getting errors, and the error log advice to get the last version |
| 17:35.00 | fred1807 | "get last version, and if error persist, contact dev" |
| 17:35.27 | karlpinc | brokencycle: I was just looking at the mdadm docs. You use -f. But it only works with some raid, like raid1. |
| 17:35.28 | petn-randall | ,v s3cmd |
| 17:35.29 | judd | Package: s3cmd on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.9.9.91-1; wheezy: 1.1.0~beta3-1; jessie: 1.5.0~rc1-2; stretch: 1.5.0~rc1-2; experimental: 1.5.2-1; sid: 1.5.2-2 |
| 17:36.37 | brokencycle | karlpinc: thanks! raid1 is exactly what I'm after. |
| 17:36.51 | brokencycle | (never installed on a degraded raid...) |
| 17:36.59 | fred1807 | I have s3cmd version 1.5.0-rc1, if there is anything newer on github, I may need it |
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| 17:37.23 | greycat | Just flailing around randomly is no way to administer a system. Figure out what version you need to fix whatever error you're seeing. |
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| 17:37.48 | greycat | Do you even know, at this point, what the most recent upstream version number even IS? |
| 17:37.49 | Andril | hello |
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| 17:37.57 | fred1807 | greycat: How can I know what is the version I need? I only get an error and a message to get the last version |
| 17:38.15 | greycat | We're going in circles. |
| 17:38.28 | greycat | Try building the sid version as a <simple sid backport> and see if that works. |
| 17:38.28 | fred1807 | 1.5.2-2 |
| 17:38.32 | fred1807 | I need 1.5.2-2 |
| 17:38.43 | Mongo44 | Where can I download Jessie with firmware added for my realtek wireless controller? |
| 17:38.45 | fred1807 | how do I install 1.5.2-2 over the 1.50 i have now? |
| 17:38.51 | greycat | !tell fred1807 about simple sid backport |
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| 17:40.07 | Andril | which is better with Debian Nvidia or AMD |
| 17:40.08 | bolt | how can I figure out why dante-server doesn't seem to be in jessie? it's in wheezy and sid |
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| 17:40.43 | KM0201 | Andril: i've always had really good luck w/ Nvidia. |
| 17:40.47 | bolt | Andril: the one that does what you want at a price you're willing to pay |
| 17:41.07 | KM0201 | agrees w/ bolt , despite the fact I like Nvidia |
| 17:41.21 | Andril | thanks KM0201 |
| 17:41.23 | nalias | I'm trying to get my bluetooth headset to work in jessie, as it did in wheezy. I'm able to pair it in blueman fine, but am not able to get the headset sink like i did previously... so it's not working. |
| 17:41.26 | Andril | cool bolt |
| 17:43.15 | Mongo44 | I believe the package is called firmware-realtek. I need a net install that comes with that package so my wireless hardware will already work. |
| 17:43.53 | bolt | oh. bad dependency. found it: https://tracker.debian.org/news/457253 |
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| 17:44.33 | karlpinc | !tell Mongo44 about firmware images |
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| 17:45.34 | Mongo44 | karlpinc, Thank you. |
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| 17:49.52 | jhutchins | It looks like the process to retain sysv in jessie is to upgrade, which runs systemd, then switch back to sysv. |
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| 17:55.31 | jhutchins | Well, here goes wheezy->jessie. iceweasel backports isn't there yet. |
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| 17:58.41 | petn-randall | jhutchins: If you use aptitude, you can simply deselect systemd and select sysvinit. It shouldn't change on upgrade, though. |
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| 18:01.09 | Mongo44 | The checksum utility for Windows isn't working. Should it be easy to tell if this is not genuine Debian software when I install a VM? I plan on doing a triboot with Jessie and Stretch later. It is important that this is a good net install. |
| 18:02.44 | Remram | How do I mount my NTFS partition? |
| 18:02.50 | srg | ntfs-3g |
| 18:03.00 | Remram | When I mount it from Dolphin, I see it mounted as "fuseblk" |
| 18:03.06 | srg | https://wiki.debian.org/NTFS |
| 18:03.34 | jhutchins | petn-randall: I just use it from cli. |
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| 18:04.06 | jhutchins | petn-randall: According to recent discussions here the default upgrade does use systemd. |
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| 18:05.01 | petn-randall | jhutchins: IIRC the release notes said that shouldn't happen. |
| 18:05.22 | greycat | It does happen. |
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| 18:06.50 | jhutchins | petn-randall: That was my impression earlier, but as greycat says we've seen otherwise in practice. |
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| 18:07.24 | valdyn | of course theres packages that explicitely depend on systemd |
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| 18:08.25 | jhutchins | valdyn: Most of them should have non-dependent counterparts, which we hope will be maintained. See earlier discussion re: RedHat, if RedHat uses them they'll be available. |
| 18:11.21 | Mongo44 | Everyone here verify checksums? Or is it an archaic practice like Debian recommending to use jigdo for downloads? |
| 18:12.00 | jhutchins | Mongo44: Do you mean checksums of iso images? |
| 18:13.27 | srg | I *always* verify checksums and/or gpg signatures |
| 18:13.32 | srg | and other hashes |
| 18:13.42 | srg | (of everything that has it). But that's just me. |
| 18:13.52 | ryouma | Mongo44: always |
| 18:14.04 | greycat | Does Debian still recommend Jigdo over net-installing? |
| 18:14.05 | jhutchins | After the download stage: "texlive-base:i386 conflicts with texlive-binaries:i386" |
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| 18:14.36 | jhutchins | Verifying the iso first will save you time in the long run. |
| 18:14.42 | Remram | can I not allocate a file in full, the way VirtualBox does it on Windows? |
| 18:15.04 | jhutchins | Remram: Please rephrase, question is meaningless. |
| 18:15.34 | ryouma | Remram: unix files can be allocated in full or sparsely |
| 18:15.50 | Remram | can I make a file sparse after it has been created? |
| 18:16.00 | ryouma | Remram: debian has perforate(1) |
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| 18:16.38 | Remram | apt-file can't find that |
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| 18:16.46 | ryouma | huh, used to exist at least |
| 18:16.56 | Mongo44 | greycat, as far as I know. I guess I will try to get fciv to work (Windows' checksum verifier). |
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| 18:17.07 | markand | hello guys |
| 18:17.27 | markand | I wonder why debian does not add plymouth by default ? because there is a grub theme |
| 18:17.30 | Remram | packages.debian.org says it exists, huh |
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| 18:17.54 | ar_Da | hi |
| 18:17.57 | ar_Da | just a curiosity, is there any command to move automatically to the directory that you previously copy some file on. for exmple, if I do this: cp a.tmp /home/astra/dir/ and then cd /home/astra/dir. Can I do that in just one command? |
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| 18:18.59 | ryouma | ar_Da: shell functions can do that |
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| 18:19.24 | Remram | ryouma: apparently, package name is perforate, but command is zum(1) |
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| 18:19.27 | greycat | ar_Da: cp foo /bar; cd "$_" |
| 18:19.47 | greycat | and yes, you could write a shell function to do the same thing |
| 18:20.30 | ar_Da | greycat:, ryouma thank you :) |
| 18:20.58 | greycat | cpcd() { cp "$@" && cd "$_"; } |
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| 18:22.19 | ar_Da | greycat: thanks :D really appreciate |
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| 18:24.12 | hikenboot | figured it out ...thanks anyways! |
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| 18:29.01 | karlpinc | ar_Da: You can also use pushd and popd in bash. |
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| 18:32.57 | Mongo44 | Do Debian isos have both md5 and sha1 sums. What is better to check? |
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| 18:34.57 | karlpinc | Mongo44: Theoretically, sha1 is more secure. |
| 18:35.54 | karlpinc | Mongo44: If you check both you get bonus serenity. |
| 18:35.57 | somiaj | In terms of corruption I think either will work. In terms of security, if you are getting the sum from the same place you are getting the image, I don't think it verifies security. |
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| 18:37.16 | Mongo44 | Where else would you get Debian checksums? |
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| 18:38.24 | srg | Mongo44: In theory, checksums should be hosted on a different site by a different company/organization. This way, it is unlikely that BOTH servers were compromised, thus increasing your chances of detecting an issue. |
| 18:38.27 | somiaj | Mongo44: if you are getting the sha1 sum from a trust source you should be fin. |
| 18:38.46 | srg | If they are hosted on the same server, then only one server needs to be compromised in order for an attacker to change both the iso AND the checksum. |
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| 18:39.35 | srg | That's why PGP/GPG signatures are "better" than checksums (a pgp sig requires the password) |
| 18:39.40 | srg | In general ;-) |
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| 18:40.32 | jhutchins | Done checking changelogs... |
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| 18:43.29 | ChrisH | Who can change the bot's information? jessie->stretch has references to wheezy. looks like it was copied from wheezy->jessie without change |
| 18:43.41 | greycat | Anyone can, as far as I know. |
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| 18:46.09 | somiaj | ChrisH: changed. I think there is some level of open edits, but dpkg also has an access list so unsure what restrictions are on modifictation. |
| 18:46.30 | ChrisH | somiaj: thanks for changing it. |
| 18:46.58 | ChrisH | I like the last sentence in that instruction :) |
| 18:48.45 | jhutchins | ChrisH: petn-randall suggested using the interactive mode to make the changes during upgrade instead of afterward. |
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| 18:51.55 | ChrisH | jhutchins: ? |
| 18:53.20 | jhutchins | ChrisH: I'm not sure dist-upgrade takes arguments to add-remove packages. |
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| 18:54.37 | ChrisH | jhutchins: I did not ask such a question. Just stated the bots information was more wheezy->jessie |
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| 18:56.51 | Mongo44 | Good the Windows fciv checksum verifier works now. I got both the md5 and sha1. |
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| 19:03.59 | ChrisH | What makes a system group or a system user specific? man useradd is not very detailed on that |
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| 19:04.16 | phogg | ChrisH: it's convention |
| 19:04.27 | greycat | in Debian, any UID under 1000 |
| 19:04.34 | phogg | ChrisH: Low UIDs, either under 500 or 1000 dependong on who you ask, are "system" |
| 19:04.53 | phogg | Yeah, in Debian we do 1000... but I've seen <5000 in some places, too. |
| 19:05.01 | Unode | hi everyone. Does anyone have an example of https://wiki.debian.org/Munin/ApacheConfiguration but for the "cgi/cgi" (both graphs and html) for apache 2.4.x ? |
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| 19:05.06 | ChrisH | Thats -more or less- Linux specidif. Never heard that on Solairs/HPUX before. |
| 19:05.14 | greycat | I've seen <100 on some older systems... fun fun fun. |
| 19:05.28 | phogg | ChrisH: No, even in Solaris it's like that. Low UIDs are "system" |
| 19:05.52 | greycat | It's still just a convention, not a meaningful distinction within the kernel. |
| 19:06.03 | phogg | greycat: <100 until they realized there were too few numbers... then either <200 or <500 or <1000 depending on how imaginitive they were |
| 19:06.09 | greycat | right |
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| 19:06.35 | phogg | Meaningless convention runs a scarily large number of things. |
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| 19:07.04 | ChrisH | Thanks.... stumbled over it after upgrading from jessie -> stretch -> sid to install docker.io, fails with complains about addgroup failed, not a system group. |
| 19:07.06 | valdyn | not meaningless |
| 19:07.19 | phogg | valdyn: would you prefer arbitrary? |
| 19:07.51 | valdyn | a distinction is needed, what you make it is arbitrary |
| 19:08.11 | phogg | valdyn: I don't think a distinction is needed, no. |
| 19:08.12 | greycat | It's meaningless to the kernel. It's only meaningful to adduser or whatever. |
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| 19:09.29 | valdyn | authentication is not just passwd. To have interoperability with ad, kerberos, whatever, you need to group the ids somehow |
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| 19:11.55 | phogg | valdyn: I guess you can look at that as grouping, but the thing that's needed is knowing which specific IDs cannot be handed out for something new. |
| 19:12.17 | dondelelcaro | no, it's which IDs are local to the machine, and which are not |
| 19:12.21 | dondelelcaro | that's the whole distinction |
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| 19:12.54 | dondelelcaro | a subset of that are which ids are managed by the OS, and which are not |
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| 19:13.11 | phogg | dondelelcaro: even system UIDs are local to the box. Only root is different, or to an extent the default set, the rest change based on the order in which yo uadd them. |
| 19:13.29 | dondelelcaro | phogg: yes, but user UIDs are often not local |
| 19:14.00 | phogg | dondelelcaro: Right. The syncing of UIDs is a general problem not *requiring* a system/user distinction. |
| 19:14.22 | dondelelcaro | phogg: it's requiring a local/remote distinction, which is really what the 1000 UID thing is getting ad |
| 19:14.25 | dondelelcaro | s/ad/at/ |
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| 19:14.55 | phogg | dondelelcaro: Indeed, but it's not a very wonderful solution. AD's is a lot more useful, even though it's much less simple. |
| 19:15.09 | l3archos | hey all. Which program can I use for viewing PDF files but also being able to remove certain pages of a multipage-PDF, or rotate some pages and then in final save the document ? I tried "Atril PDF Viewer", "Evince" and some sort of them, but none of them is allowing the deletion of pages inside a multipage-PDF or to change the page order. |
| 19:15.33 | dondelelcaro | l3archos: use two different programs; evince or similar to view, pdftk to do the rearangement |
| 19:16.25 | l3archos | pdftk? |
| 19:17.20 | dondelelcaro | !pdftk |
| 19:17.20 | dpkg | [pdftk] the PDF Tool Kit -- the Swiss Army Knife for manipulating PDFs. It can add, delete and separate pages in a pdf and also perform a few other manipulations to them, including helping with filling out forms (ask me about <fill pdf forms>). Also ask me about <edit pdf> for other ideas. |
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| 19:21.01 | l3archos | pdftk seems to me to be a command line tool. Well, how can I have a GUI for doing that? I bet noone want to rearrange or crop some pages inside a multipage-PDF without viewing them and do it at once? |
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| 19:23.40 | petemc | l3archos: tried inkscape? |
| 19:24.23 | l3archos | does it have GUI ? |
| 19:24.29 | petemc | yes |
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| 19:27.27 | l3archos | well I just installed it. Inkscape looks more like a graphic program to me, with overloaded lots of feautures. What I am looking for is something like a "Adobe Acrobat" in <light> :-) I only need basic feautures like rotate pages, delete pages, and rearrange the order of the pages. Is there really no tool out there? |
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| 19:31.41 | abrotman | l3archos: You mean to alter PDFs, or create documents like Acrobat does |
| 19:31.43 | abrotman | ? |
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| 19:32.34 | abrotman | l3archos: pdftk can perform various functions on PDFs, but isn't a GUI. Scribus can create more complicated documents. |
| 19:33.17 | l3archos | abrotman: I really should have a GUI, I cannot alter a multipage-PDf without viewing it, that's insane. Such tools are good for scripting and batch processing, but not for the normal desktop user imho |
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| 19:34.20 | l3archos | abrotman: yes, I'm looking for a tool that provide such a functionality like Acrobat does, although I don't need ALL the feautures Acrobat has. Just the basic ones (rearranging pages by view, delete some pages when I want to, etc...) |
| 19:34.24 | philipp_ | hi, anyone know how i can get the checksum of a backup from duplicity? |
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| 19:36.34 | valdyn | l3archos: libreoffice can import, edit, export pdf |
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| 19:37.58 | K4k | I just installed Jessie and set it up so that there was a btrfs partition inside of an encrypted physical partition. Is this supported? I'm unable to decrypt the drive at boot with error "uknown fstype. bad password or options? |
| 19:38.01 | K4k | "* |
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| 19:38.43 | valdyn | K4k: you can do it after booting? |
| 19:38.55 | K4k | do what after booting? |
| 19:39.04 | valdyn | K4k: decrypt |
| 19:39.12 | K4k | I'm at the cryptsetup prompt |
| 19:39.34 | K4k | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:39.45 | markand | hello |
| 19:39.54 | markand | what is the alsa package that restore sound state at boot? |
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| 19:40.14 | markand | because each time I boot I get sound muted |
| 19:40.25 | valdyn | markand: alsa-utils |
| 19:40.43 | valdyn | markand: it does not restore sound state, it restores alsa state |
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| 19:40.55 | markand | yes :) |
| 19:40.57 | markand | thanks |
| 19:41.17 | K4k | Is there a way to boot to a live environment and verify that I can decrypt the partition and/or verify that I have the right options set? |
| 19:41.34 | valdyn | K4k: just boot a live cd |
| 19:42.30 | valdyn | K4k: your /boot cannot be encrypted i think, so you might aswell store a rescue image there |
| 19:42.38 | valdyn | K4k: debian has packages for that |
| 19:42.45 | K4k | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:42.53 | valdyn | K4k: exactly |
| 19:43.14 | K4k | Yes, that's what I've done. /boot is it's own partition and then the encrypted drive contains swap and / |
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| 19:45.05 | hsk4 | Are there any opportunities in this world of being an employee, getting paid working on improving something like Debian? Is this thing run entirely on donations or is there funding available from other sources? |
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| 19:45.33 | hsk4 | I'm kinda sad that if I wanna make a living, it seems I gotta be on either Apple or Windows |
| 19:45.36 | valdyn | hsk4: there's some funding, theres some paid volunteers |
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| 19:45.41 | Chakka | the remmina version in debian 8 sucks |
| 19:45.49 | valdyn | hsk4: but most funding is probably indirect |
| 19:45.59 | NoImNotNineVolt | i make a living and i'm on linux. |
| 19:46.14 | Chakka | any way to promote what is testing to go in to debian 8 instead? Or is that heresy and will I be burned at the stake? |
| 19:46.15 | hsk4 | NoImNotNineVolt: what do you do and how do you do it? |
| 19:46.41 | valdyn | Chakka: debian has a constitution and policy |
| 19:46.48 | NoImNotNineVolt | i write code, and we target debian, so i run debian and/or derivatives on my dev workstation. |
| 19:46.48 | greycat | Chakka: no, Debian 8 is already released. |
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| 19:47.02 | valdyn | Chakka: that means you cant easily change something like that |
| 19:47.04 | hsk4 | NoImNotNineVolt: ok cool |
| 19:47.22 | Chakka | I guess I'll have to wait 3 more years to get a workign remote desktop client in the default install then |
| 19:47.27 | hsk4 | I don't trust Apple/Microsoft anymore. And now, with verifyable binaries, Debian are stepping it up a notch! |
| 19:47.32 | greycat | The time to push for newer versions of things in Debian 8 was... October 2014 or so. |
| 19:47.32 | hsk4 | Making it even more trustworthy |
| 19:47.38 | NoImNotNineVolt | i'm in r&d though, so they give us ample leeway regarding what os we run. |
| 19:47.43 | hsk4 | Debian looks even more solid than Ubuntu |
| 19:47.47 | Chakka | yeah, I understand. Just frustrating |
| 19:47.47 | jhutchins | hsk4: RedHat and Canonical have paid developers; many companies that use Linux allow their employees to contribute their work back to Linux projects like Debian. |
| 19:47.54 | NoImNotNineVolt | my last gig, i was developing for linux also, but all our computers were windows for some reason. |
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| 19:48.03 | hsk4 | hehe |
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| 19:48.16 | Chakka | greycat: thanks for answering, appreciate it ;) |
| 19:48.29 | kira_ | since installing jessie instead of wheezy i'm having some strange problems i can't figure out: thumbnails for videos don't show anymore in Thunar, and when i go to smb:// address it says it's not supported, also in google-chrome youtube videos go black after some seconds (pause/play fixes it), doesn't happen with other videosites but it didnt happen in wheezy |
| 19:48.39 | `ryban | greetings! |
| 19:48.53 | jhutchins | hsk4: I'm a sysadmin, been doing Linux full-time for ten years or so. |
| 19:49.01 | jhutchins | hsk4: Been doing it on my own much longer. |
| 19:49.04 | hsk4 | jhutchins: yeah that would be life itself |
| 19:49.15 | hsk4 | i run linux vps myself |
| 19:49.17 | hsk4 | it's fun :) |
| 19:49.23 | hsk4 | web and mail servers |
| 19:49.35 | hsk4 | yeah, linux pretty much shines for servers |
| 19:49.37 | hsk4 | good idea |
| 19:49.42 | hsk4 | could look for something there |
| 19:49.57 | markand | oh it seems that my firefox use the default gtk theme (like MS windows) |
| 19:49.58 | kira_ | well im trying to install a linux proxy at work with AD authentication, it's anything but easy i must say |
| 19:50.02 | markand | am I missing some gtk2 engines ? |
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| 19:50.59 | hsk4 | Only one thing I'm wondering is security of 3rd party apps. On OS X I can, through sandbox, know for sure it can't access the network, write to arbitrary locations on the drive, etc. What does Debian/Linux offer here? Something that's widely used? I heard someone is working on sandboxes but it's not widely used yet |
| 19:51.48 | kira_ | i just use virtualbox if i run anything that can't be trusted |
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| 19:54.05 | jhutchins | So the upgrade's been running for a couple of hours now, less significant time waiting for human feedback. |
| 19:54.11 | kira_ | anyway, in jessie how can i get thumbnails to show in xfce ? it worked fine in wheezy |
| 19:55.26 | jhutchins | kira_: Show where? |
| 19:55.32 | philipp_ | okey other question. How would you protect logs from overwriting? |
| 19:55.34 | kira_ | in the file browser |
| 19:55.59 | jhutchins | kira_: I think that's still Thunar, there should be settings. |
| 19:56.30 | kira_ | only settings i find is whether to show them or not for remote locations, but i only get thumbnails for pictures, none for videos |
| 19:56.37 | philipp_ | i wanna send a file somewhere where it cant be changed, deleted or done anything with it (for keeping the log out of hands from attackers) |
| 19:57.04 | greycat | philipp_: syslog over TCP to another host |
| 19:57.17 | greycat | or UDP or whatever remote syslog uses |
| 19:57.56 | jhutchins | kira_: You have to have something configured to read the videos by default iirc. |
| 19:58.13 | Mongo44 | Can I get the root terminal that wheezy had? |
| 19:58.18 | kira_ | hmm, when i installed wheezy im pretty sure it worked out of the box or i have really bad memory |
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| 19:59.06 | PryMar56 | kira_, imagemagick ? |
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| 19:59.48 | jhutchins | Not sure what thunar uses to extract them. It should have the old thumbnail images though. |
| 20:00.12 | Mongo44 | That was one of my favorite features. |
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| 20:00.22 | kira_ | i always do fresh install, dist-upgrade never works right for me |
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| 20:02.06 | jhutchins | Mongo44: It's just a shortcut that launches the terminal emulator as root. |
| 20:02.14 | jhutchins | Mongo44: I just use su - as required. |
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| 20:07.32 | kira_ | im really mistified, i had 3 computers on wheezy with working thumbnails, and since i installed jessie none make thumbnails anymore for videos |
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| 20:08.42 | kira_ | i think it's a bug as i've not done anything exotic, basic desktop installation with "xfce" as environment |
| 20:08.54 | nalias | kira_, is ffmpegthumbnailer installed? |
| 20:09.00 | l3archos | valdyn: LibreOffice doesn't open my PDF documents. I tried Draw, Impress and Write. None of them showed me the content of my PDf files, instead I only get weird characters displayed, because LibreOffice seems not to be capable of parsing the PDF information. It's really frustrating seeing that in Linux I cannot find a "open-source" product, which allows me to view PDF documents and give me the option to delete pages or rearrange them inside a |
| 20:09.00 | l3archos | multipage PDF. That's really weird |
| 20:09.17 | kira_ | it wasnt, i installed it while searching google bit it didnt make a difference |
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| 20:09.50 | nalias | that fixed it for me before, guess its something else |
| 20:10.33 | l3archos | I installed and tried also scribus, it is NOT showing my PDF documents either. And Okular also doesn't allow the user to delete pages inside multipage-PDFs. I tried several tools and still no success. Is that really possible, is there NO tool with GUI for viewing+alternating PDF documents with basic functions like "rotate", "remove pages", "rearrange page order", ... ? |
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| 20:11.06 | valdyn | l3archos: the pdf standard is huge, thats why theres substandards for archival and whatnot |
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| 20:11.18 | kira_ | anyway ill think about my thumbnail problem later my mom says i have to be in bed |
| 20:12.08 | nalias | alright, take care |
| 20:12.15 | valdyn | l3archos: but im sure using a viewer to decide what to do and pdftk to do the rearring is workable |
| 20:12.53 | l3archos | yeah, but I cannot image I am the only one out there needing that feautures. there must be something allowing alter the PDF documents on the mentioned way with basic feautures |
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| 20:14.25 | valdyn | http://pdfedit.cz/en/index.html |
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| 20:16.35 | markand | mmm, it seems that my gtk2.0 theme for adwaita is broken :( |
| 20:16.45 | markand | thewidgetfactory shows it |
| 20:17.49 | markand | okay, looks like gnome-themes was missing :) |
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| 20:18.16 | valdyn | l3archos: have you tried pdfchain? |
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| 20:19.25 | l3archos | valdyn: no, let me check. BTW: Can I somehow install "pdfedit" from backports ? I am on Jessie and cannot find pdfedit in jessie repository |
| 20:19.40 | greycat | ,v pdfedit |
| 20:19.41 | judd | Package: pdfedit on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.4.5-1 |
| 20:19.51 | greycat | *blink* |
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| 20:20.06 | markand | there is no more snes9x in jessie ? |
| 20:20.18 | l3archos | greycat: so I cannot have pdfedit installed on my jessie host ? |
| 20:20.42 | greycat | I have no idea why that package is only in squeeze. |
| 20:20.51 | greycat | Was it removed due to licensing or something? |
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| 20:21.00 | markand | I don't know |
| 20:21.04 | markand | will compile by hand |
| 20:21.25 | l3archos | valdyn: pdfchain doesn't show me the multipage-pdf, it looks more like a batch/scripting tool with GUI support. Nothing more |
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| 20:24.00 | valdyn | l3archos: not that bad, evince will update automatically |
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| 20:25.29 | DammitJim | how do I set up a directory in such a way that if any user that has access to it and creates a file, that the file is owned by the user that owns the folder? |
| 20:25.31 | l3archos | i'd like to test "pdfedit" it looks like that tool is providing the desired feautures. But I am stuck, how to install on Jessie (I cannot compile it, because I am missing some boost libs or something like that)) |
| 20:25.43 | greycat | DammitJim: only works with group-ownership, not user-ownership |
| 20:25.53 | DammitJim | I tried using chmod u+s but when I copied a file, it still set the user owner as the other user |
| 20:25.54 | l3archos | DammitJim: maybe ACLs and default-mask |
| 20:26.06 | DammitJim | ok |
| 20:26.29 | l3archos | DammitJim: chmod u+s doesn't help you, as greycat sad, this bit will work on that way you want it to, but only applicable for groups "chmod g+s" |
| 20:26.37 | DammitJim | thanks... I don't know why one would need something like this, but I was messing with stuff and I figured I should ask |
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| 20:27.42 | DammitJim | how would an acl help? Is there a way to set the acl to have a default user for new files? |
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| 20:29.05 | xand | DammitJim: only root can change the user a file belongs to |
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| 20:31.36 | asturel | hi is the allowed ciphers changed in sshd on jessie? |
| 20:31.58 | asturel | i get this while im trying to sftp |
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| 20:31.59 | asturel | sshd[26150]: fatal: no matching cipher found: client aes256-cbc,twofish256-cbc,twofish-cbc,aes128-cbc,twofish128-cbc,blowfish-cbc,3des-cbc,arcfour,cast128-cbc server aes128-ctr,aes192-ctr,aes256-ctr,aes128-gcm@openssh.com,aes256-gcm@openssh.com,chacha20-poly1305@openssh.com [preauth] |
| 20:32.00 | zleslie | HI |
| 20:32.48 | at0m | asturel: how about plain ssh? |
| 20:32.56 | zleslie | Anyone around who knows how to deploy a WAR file with Jetty on debian? The defaults don't seem to line up. I drop the war in /usr/share/jetty8/webapps and restart the server. Doesn't seem to load. |
| 20:33.31 | valdyn | asturel: i think blowfish is gone by default, but im not sure when that happened |
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| 20:33.56 | asturel | whats the diff between -cbc and -ctr ? |
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| 20:35.09 | greycat | http://www.openssh.com/txt/release-6.7 "The default set of ciphers and MACs has been altered to remove unsafe algorithms." |
| 20:35.22 | greycat | dunno if that's what you're seeing |
| 20:36.13 | asturel | yeah |
| 20:36.17 | asturel | i enabled aes256-cbc |
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| 20:36.22 | asturel | but why is CBC cipher bad? |
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| 20:37.53 | shadok | asturel: i suppose because you need an hmac with it and some cobinations are really bad, aes-gcm only needs one key |
| 20:38.04 | valdyn | asturel: if you really want to know, read the maths behind it, ciphers get weaker over time because computers become faster and because sometimes someone finds a faster way to crack it |
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| 20:39.04 | asturel | yeah but there was some accident or .. just get deprecated |
| 20:39.15 | shadok | deprecated |
| 20:39.23 | asturel | sadly this crap software doesnt support ctr ciphers at all |
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| 20:40.23 | asturel | hmm |
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| 20:40.51 | shadok | asturel: if you want something fun, read that: https://blog.cloudflare.com/go-crypto-bridging-the-performance-gap/ |
| 20:40.53 | valdyn | asturel: so just enable the deprecated cipher(s), whats the big deal? |
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| 20:41.16 | l3archos | damn it, I did find a tool in jessie repository, for free, which can remove/export pages inside a multipage PDF and also rotate some of them if desired. GREAT! ! |
| 20:41.19 | l3archos | is happy now |
| 20:41.27 | greycat | well, if you have to research every cipher yourself to figure out which is the least damning one to enable, that's kind of a big deal |
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| 20:42.57 | greycat | you could also ask #openssh |
| 20:43.00 | asturel | is there a list what mac-s deprecated too? |
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| 20:43.06 | asturel | on jessie |
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| 20:44.35 | shadok | asturel: have a look on crypto.stackexchange.com or security.stackexchange.com |
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| 20:46.50 | jhutchins | What an idiot! I started a dist-upgrade on a remote system without screen! |
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| 20:49.51 | at0m | ^C ! |
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| 20:51.57 | anddam | I'm trying to connect to a debian server with sancho, java GUI program that uses ssh forwarding |
| 20:52.09 | anddam | the client doesn't connect, doesn't have any detailed output |
| 20:52.19 | anddam | on auth.log I see fatal: no matching cipher found: client aes128-cbc,3des-cbc,blowfish-cbc,aes192-cbc,aes256-cbc server aes128-ctr,aes192-ctr,aes256-ctr,aes128-gcm@openssh.com,aes256-gcm@openssh.com,chacha20-poly1305@openssh.com [preauth] |
| 20:52.33 | greycat | Deja vu.... |
| 20:52.48 | anddam | greycat: don't worry, it's just a glitch in the Matrix |
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| 20:53.10 | greycat | asturel: was yours also "sancho"? |
| 20:53.16 | anddam | I sense I should enable something in sshd_config in order to present a cipher method the client understand |
| 20:53.22 | anddam | greycat: yep, that damn thing |
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| 20:53.47 | anddam | I was going crazy checking the params, turns out I updated the server to jessie and didn't think of that |
| 20:53.52 | anddam | greycat: tell me you solved it, pls |
| 20:54.41 | greycat | anddam: ask asturel |
| 20:54.53 | anddam | as long as I may be noobish at debian, Java is a arcane mistery to me, I downloaded some "policy update" from Oracle that should have done some magic trick |
| 20:55.12 | greycat | 16:31 asturel> sshd[26150]: fatal: no matching cipher found: client aes256-cbc,twofish256-cbc,twofish-cbc,aes128-cbc,twofish128-cbc,blowfish-cbc,3des-cbc,arcfour,cast128-cbc .... |
| 20:55.12 | anddam | greycat: oh I see, I thought you mis tab-completed my nick with asturel |
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| 20:55.22 | overjoyedpulp | i'm confused -- what is the difference between gnome flashback and gnome classic in jessie? or is this poster mistaken? http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=121698 |
| 20:55.59 | anddam | greycat: oh lol that happened like 10 minutes ago |
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| 20:57.12 | jhutchins | It's amazing how often that happens. |
| 20:57.18 | anddam | I'd go with valdyn | asturel: so just enable the deprecated cipher(s), whats the big deal? if I knew what ciphers are |
| 20:57.38 | anddam | checking sshd_config(5) now |
| 20:57.39 | jhutchins | Ok, going down to reboot in jessie! |
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| 20:57.58 | jhutchins | (That's about three hours). |
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| 20:59.14 | Remram | Is there a way to setup a "guest" account the way Mac OS's works? |
| 20:59.40 | anddam | while this is likely some fake login attempt, right? sshd[16755]: Invalid user copy from 151.224.179.51 |
| 20:59.45 | Remram | Like, you can log in as guest from KDM, and all the files & settings get wiped when logging out? |
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| 21:00.19 | asturel | anddam i did that |
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| 21:00.43 | asturel | this sftp client supports aes256-ctr but didnt send that it supports.. maybe because the mac..? |
| 21:00.44 | asturel | idk |
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| 21:02.55 | anddam | idk about sftp, I'm using sancho |
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| 21:03.30 | anddam | asturel: what "that" did you do? |
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| 21:04.26 | anddam | oh btw will restarting sshd service cut me off current session? |
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| 21:05.50 | anddam | the error changed "fatal: Unable to negotiate a key exchange method [preauth]" |
| 21:05.55 | anddam | with aes256-cbc |
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| 21:06.22 | asturel | nope |
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| 21:06.24 | jonkristian | ruby 2.1 on jessie, I can't install it. Any ideas? ruby2.1 : Depends: rubygems-integration (>= 1.8) but it is not installable |
| 21:06.53 | asturel | anddam i put aes256-ctr |
| 21:07.45 | nkuttler | jonkristian: paste.debian.net the entire command + output |
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| 21:09.28 | jonkristian | nkuttler, actually trying to install foreman, here's is the paste: http://paste.debian.net/172806/ |
| 21:10.23 | nkuttler | !tell jonkristian about bat |
| 21:11.23 | nkuttler | jonkristian: fwiw, several of your packages are not in debian. you should check with puppet support |
| 21:12.06 | jonkristian | nkuttler, alright thanks |
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| 21:12.36 | markand | very beautiful the debian plymouth theme |
| 21:12.44 | markand | I really wonder why it's not enabled by default :) |
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| 21:14.02 | nkuttler | markand: because servers, and people like to see what happens during boot |
| 21:14.27 | markand | yes, but when you install the desktop environment, it can be nice for the end user :) |
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| 21:14.49 | markand | when you install gnome, you also have a grub theme, so it's quite pleasant to have the splash too :) |
| 21:14.53 | surgy | fight to the death who wins :: http://strawpoll.me/4303990 |
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| 21:28.44 | teraflop | markand: eeeww please |
| 21:30.02 | markand | teraflop, ?? |
| 21:30.34 | teraflop | markand: I really wonder why it's not enabled by default <-- eeewwww |
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| 22:06.52 | axel_fly | got anybody a nvidia optimus? and is using bumblebee successfull? |
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| 22:10.46 | jhutchins | In jessie xfce, How do I get items in the panel to right-align instead of everything snapping left? |
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| 22:12.55 | anddam | asturel: that's not listed in my sancho request |
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| 22:14.23 | jakew | does anyone know anything about iceweasel backport for jessie? |
| 22:14.36 | anddam | jakew: someone possibly knows |
| 22:14.36 | jakew | currently using iceweasel-release from wheezy-backports |
| 22:14.55 | jakew | yes.. implied in that was anybody in the irc |
| 22:15.21 | jakew | who might be willing to enlighten me |
| 22:15.29 | bazhang | ,v iceweasel |
| 22:15.30 | judd | Package: iceweasel on amd64 -- squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 31.3.0esr-1~deb7u1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 31.6.0esr-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 31.6.0esr-1~deb7u1; sid: 31.6.0esr-1; stretch: 31.6.0esr-1; jessie: 31.6.0esr-1; experimental: 37.0.2-1 |
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| 22:16.04 | xand | jakew: don't ask meta-questions. |
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| 22:16.26 | jakew | xand: sorry.. meta-questions? |
| 22:16.51 | xand | pointless questions like "does anyone know about x" |
| 22:17.22 | xand | !anyone |
| 22:17.22 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 22:18.06 | jakew | xand: not understanding why that's a pointless question.. i am wanting to know because there is nothing on http://mozilla.debian.net/ about how to continue using the latest version with jessie.. and i want to know if anybody on the chat knows. |
| 22:18.30 | bazhang | what number is that jakew |
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| 22:19.08 | jakew | bazhang: version of iceweasel? i'm using 37.0.1 |
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| 22:19.36 | jakew | looks like 37.0.2-1~bpo70+1 is available now |
| 22:19.36 | bazhang | ,v iceweasel-release |
| 22:19.37 | judd | No package named 'iceweasel-release' was found in amd64. |
| 22:20.09 | bazhang | in experimental looks like |
| 22:21.11 | jakew | the package is iceweasel; iceweasel-release is the section of the wheezy-backports archive |
| 22:22.43 | bazhang | experimental: 37.0.2-1 |
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| 22:25.16 | ctmjr | jhutchins: did you find your answer? about the xfce panel |
| 22:25.27 | jakew | wonder why wheezy-backports is not showing up in the list of archives it's in.. is the debian mozilla team backports section not included in the package search? |
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| 22:29.40 | jhutchins | ctmjr: Not so far. Got autologin working by editing the conf file. |
| 22:29.47 | jhutchins | ctmjr: Need to autostart lightdm too. |
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| 22:32.53 | jhutchins | What is the systemd way to launch lightdm? |
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| 22:34.39 | jhutchins | systemctl enable lightdm.service |
| 22:34.44 | jhutchins | eep... |
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| 22:36.55 | ctmjr | jhutchins: you want to add new item to panel it is called separator then open panel preferences them items doubpe click the separator you will see a box that say's expand click it then you can move items far left and right |
| 22:38.13 | jhutchins | ctmjr: They keep snapping left. |
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| 22:43.34 | jhutchins | Ok, got lightdm auto-starting and logging me in. |
| 22:43.39 | jhutchins | Panel is still condensed left. |
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| 22:46.08 | ctmjr | jhutchins: did you add the separator? |
| 22:47.03 | jhutchins | ctmjr: there is already a separator. |
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| 22:49.21 | ctmjr | well if you double click it under items it should open and have a box that say's expand |
| 22:50.26 | jhutchins | I don't think this is any faster than wheezy/sysv, and now it gives you the illusion of being up - menus and icons appear - before it will respond to anythning. Very much like windows now. |
| 22:50.40 | ctmjr | jhutchins: http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-panel/4.10/separator |
| 22:50.41 | jhutchins | ctmjr: I must've been rebooting or something and missed that, that's what I needed. |
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| 22:51.26 | Klaus_Dieter | hello world. |
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| 22:51.57 | jhutchins | ctmjr: I have what I want now. |
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| 22:52.57 | Klaus_Dieter | I am not sure whether I have come to the right place to ask my question so please feel free to redirect in case it is off-topic here. I would like to use fuse in an initramfs for a raspberrypi - the task osthe initramfs is to mount the rootfs ro and then use fuse to union-mount a different storage device on top of that. the result should be mounted on / |
| 22:53.26 | Klaus_Dieter | the mount-magic seems to work but in the end I am getting this error: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/613273 |
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| 22:53.44 | Klaus_Dieter | is this due to fuse still running? if so, how can I work around this? |
| 22:54.14 | Klaus_Dieter | I want the fuse process to survive the initial boot stage because it exports the ro file system |
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| 22:56.04 | Catz` | hi, can anyone tell me what is the best way of sharing storage from a server to another? Exmaple: server A has 10 tb and server B only has 1 TB. Server B needs more storage and must have logical volume groups. Can those logical volumes be on network? |
| 22:56.38 | Mousey | iSCSI |
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| 22:59.34 | Catz` | Mousey iSCSI allows me to create logical volumes? |
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| 23:01.18 | Mousey | iSCSI allows you to expose storage over a network, which you can make PVs which can be added to VGs, which can be used to extend LVs.. so yes? |
| 23:01.45 | Catz` | iSCSI is fibre? |
| 23:02.04 | Mousey | if your network is fiber, whatever your ethernet traverses |
| 23:03.13 | Mousey | usually, extending storage to a server doesn't involve another server. taking an outage on the providing server is pretty much assured you'll experience data loss |
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| 23:04.05 | Mousey | and if iSCSI provided PVs are members of a remote VG or providing LVs on a remote VG, the server -mounting- the storage will probably crash too |
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| 23:04.35 | Mousey | so, server-to-server logical volumes isn't just a bad idea, it's a terrible idea. |
| 23:04.48 | Mousey | unless you have dedicated SAN (or NAS) hardware, i wouldn't recommend it |
| 23:04.57 | Mousey | BUT |
| 23:05.14 | Mousey | if insanity is your only option, iSCSI is your weapon in that war |
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| 23:20.39 | HazardX | if I'm trying to build a source tarball, what do I need installed? |
| 23:20.46 | HazardX | (./bootstrap seems to be failing...I think) |
| 23:21.03 | pengown | Cool stuff in the rolling release :) |
| 23:23.52 | nkuttler | HazardX: what are you trying to build? usually there should be a README, INSTALL file or somesuch with instructions |
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| 23:26.46 | potatoman | is it normal for an init script to be in all 0-6 of /etc/rc#.d/ ? |
| 23:26.48 | HazardX | nkuttler an older version of xbmc, it should be ./bootstrap->./configure (options) -> make |
| 23:27.11 | HazardX | but ./bootstrap is failing, and I think part of autotools is missing, but I can't find anything in aptitude related to install :/ |
| 23:27.22 | nkuttler | HazardX: what's the error anyway |
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| 23:27.55 | HazardX | well after I generate ./configure, running it says install-sh / install.sh is missing |
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| 23:28.11 | HazardX | (past experience says that means that ./bootstrap/autotools did something silly) |
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| 23:30.59 | pengown | really hate this giant gnome 3 menu though, it's very hard to easily look through |
| 23:31.09 | potatoman | so don't use it |
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| 23:31.19 | wepy | hi |
| 23:31.23 | nkuttler | HazardX: no idea. ask xbmc support? |
| 23:31.38 | wepy | anyone know about systemd root-storage-daemons? |
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| 23:31.53 | potatoman | what about it |
| 23:32.15 | wepy | i wanted to write one and then port it back to old init.. but i'm not sure i understand it yet |
| 23:32.32 | wepy | seems like systemd will kill all processes from the initrd that don't have argv[0][0] == '@' |
| 23:32.53 | wepy | is there anything similar for the old init process? does it kill the initrd processes, too? |
| 23:32.57 | arthurfiggis | hmm...i'm seeing this error in gnome 3 (debian 8.0) quite a bit whenever video is involved, specifically when 1) trying to play a video in totem and 2) opening the "properties" of that same video in nautilus...anyone know what it might be related to? error: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.Tracker1.SparqlError.Internal: Error opening database |
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| 23:41.53 | potatoman | is it normal for an init script to be in all 0-6 of /etc/rc#.d/ ? |
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| 23:46.26 | Brigo | potatoman, yes. |
| 23:46.40 | potatoman | thanks, Brigo =) |
| 23:48.26 | Brigo | potatoman, yw |
| 23:49.00 | slidesinger-ss | Just spent the last several hours trying to find out if there is anything in systemd that does the job of inittab. So far all I have learned is that some things (getty's for example) are handled in files in /etc/systemd and that some things are handled automatically. I have some things in my old inittab file that defined key traps to do certain things. They no longer work and I have been trying to discover what the replacemen |
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| 23:52.47 | Brigo | slidesinger-ss, there isn't a replacemnet, but create a unit service file that fit your needs. |
| 23:55.42 | slidesinger-ss | Brigo: Thanks, looking for what to look for takes far longer than finding what you want once you know what to look for! |
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| 23:55.54 | Brigo | slidesinger-ss, right. |
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