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| 00:17.47 | potatoman | sighs |
| 00:18.01 | potatoman | why does everything say a package is taking up the most space of any package, but apt-get remove package says it isn't installed? |
| 00:19.04 | karlpinc | potatoman: What is "everything"? |
| 00:19.12 | potatoman | dpkg-query, wajig |
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| 00:19.57 | potatoman | guess I need purge... |
| 00:20.23 | karlpinc | potatoman: Perhaps paste your dpkg-query wajig and apt-get commands and their results and somebody will look. |
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| 00:21.24 | karlpinc | potatoman: Purge might be the issue, yes. |
| 00:21.42 | potatoman | yeah, seems to have removed it as a candidate for taking up space |
| 00:21.50 | potatoman | unfortunately I guess that space was already reclaimed, heh |
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| 00:34.41 | BlackJack | is it true than debian 8 is the first debian os that is released as stable yet has plenty of bugs still and issues not resolved? |
| 00:35.03 | BlackJack | and that the old 7 is much more stable. in terms of, having lesser or no bugs |
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| 00:37.47 | ctmjr | BlackJack: where did you hear this? |
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| 00:42.13 | BlackJack | ctmjr ummm on crunchbang channel. actually that distribution is already stopped but when i heard theres a cb++ which is operational and also uses debian 8. Someone blabbered about that thought |
| 00:43.28 | BlackJack | so i just wonder. If debian 8 was released w/ still unresolved bugs and issues. |
| 00:43.52 | BlackJack | i wanted my vps to use the new 8 but im still thinking, i might still give 8 more time to mature. perhaps? |
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| 00:45.43 | ctmjr | BlackJack: read it in a random chat room is not a valid source for your assumption |
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| 01:13.01 | juliofreitas | Hi! How to install ruby2.0 at Debian 7 |
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| 01:18.26 | fender0107401 | apt-get install? |
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| 01:31.12 | nuentoter | anybody in here have any experience with evergreen software? |
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| 01:46.57 | nuentoter | I'm having a problem with a make command being unable to lcate a package, does that package have to be in the dir i'm issuing the command from? |
| 01:47.03 | edgardoweb | Hi my web Software Libre http://goo.gl/a0jF8h |
| 01:48.47 | somiaj | nuentoter: No it should be able to detect if you have it installed. You most likely need the -dev package installed. What is the software you trying to compile not able to find? |
| 01:50.40 | edgardoweb | Hi my web Software Libre http://goo.gl/a0jF8h comment |
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| 01:51.59 | nuentoter | it cannot find postgresql-client-9.3 |
| 01:52.33 | nuentoter | looking into it more i used apt to get postgresql and it is client9.4 |
| 01:52.58 | nuentoter | would this be the problem? im guessing yes |
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| 01:54.57 | potatoman | edgardoweb: Hi nobody cares |
| 01:55.46 | edgardoweb | potatoman: thanks |
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| 01:56.13 | potatoman | yw |
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| 01:57.06 | somiaj | nuentoter: If the software requires postgresql 9.3 to compile and won't work with 9.4, then you might not be able to use it. |
| 01:58.43 | nuentoter | is there a way to point the comiling to the new version? or remove 9.4 and reinstall 9.3 instead? |
| 01:58.57 | somiaj | nuentoter: if the softare can be built against verious versions of sql, could just be an issue with the makefile not correctly searching for various versions. |
| 01:59.35 | somiaj | nuentoter: I don't know since i don't know what software you are trying to compile. Maybe look up support for them. What version of debian are you running? |
| 01:59.56 | nuentoter | this is also my first time compiling anything |
| 02:00.18 | BlackJack | what is the default log viewer in debian? |
| 02:00.20 | somiaj | nuentoter: what are you trying to compile? What version of debian are you using? |
| 02:00.45 | nuentoter | im on debian jessie trying to install an evergreen server, postgresql is part of the prerequisites |
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| 02:01.47 | BlackJack | nuentoter, can i pm? |
| 02:02.33 | somiaj | nuentoter: might want to try to look for suppoert from evergreen server. According to the webpage I found it has been tested on debian jessie. |
| 02:02.53 | nuentoter | sure you can pm |
| 02:02.56 | somiaj | nuentoter: is the the ./configure that is complaining about this, sometimes you can give it an option to point it at your version of postgres |
| 02:03.38 | nuentoter | ill paste into the #flood channel what i get if thats ok? |
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| 02:04.27 | somiaj | nuentoter: did you do the step where you ran the command make -f Open-ILS/src/extras/Makefile.install debian-jessie? |
| 02:04.40 | nuentoter | thats the one giving me the error |
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| 02:06.31 | somiaj | nuentoter: I would send an email to report a bug, maybe it just hasn't been updated or you don't have the latest version. |
| 02:07.41 | nuentoter | come to think of it i may be feeling really stupid here in a minute |
| 02:08.01 | nuentoter | i believe i downloaded the software the week before jessie came out |
| 02:08.39 | somiaj | well jessie has been frozen with 9.4 for a while, so I doubt that is it. It could be they just haven't updated their software in a while. Again I would send a bug report to the writer of the software. |
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| 02:10.12 | DrXos | Bonjour |
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| 02:10.40 | nuentoter | bonjour mon amis |
| 02:10.46 | allorder | bonsoir |
| 02:11.04 | DrXos | La touche F3 ne marche plus avec nautilus |
| 02:11.20 | allorder | #debian-fr |
| 02:11.20 | DrXos | Comment l'activer ? |
| 02:11.23 | Agent_Isai | Hi, I was trying to open "System Settings" for my GNOME menu but apparently that doesn't exist, how can I enable it? |
| 02:11.54 | DrXos | Oh I'm sorry |
| 02:12.41 | DrXos | I just want know let the F3 touch work with nautilus |
| 02:13.49 | DrXos | I just want know how let the F3 touch work with nautilus |
| 02:14.10 | DrXos | I don't want install Nemo |
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| 02:21.55 | freq | is it possible to undo dist-upgrade? |
| 02:22.25 | bkw__ | reinstall? |
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| 02:23.35 | nuentoter | <bkw__> reinstall? <-- |
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| 02:24.07 | freq | lol no |
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| 02:25.06 | nuentoter | its fun! |
| 02:25.26 | imMute | has installed debian half a dozen times in the last week ;) |
| 02:25.37 | dvs | imMute: only? |
| 02:26.00 | imMute | dvs: well, about two dozen if you count all the times I took to get preseed working |
| 02:27.09 | imMute | interestingly, that preseed process (making the ISO that is) broke when I started doing it on debian rather than ubuntu |
| 02:27.16 | Agent_Isai | Hi (again), I was trying to open "System Settings" for my GNOME menu but apparently that doesn't exist, how can I enable it? |
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| 02:32.39 | freq | i'm in read only |
| 02:32.45 | freq | not sure how this happened |
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| 02:42.21 | shay_shay | y u no |
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| 02:45.11 | pengown | WHY IN THE HELL are there programs from the rolling release I installed IN A VIRTUAL MACHINE on my HDD |
| 02:45.23 | pengown | My sources are still the same |
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| 02:49.12 | allorder | blame yourself |
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| 02:53.28 | pengown | HOW do I blame myself |
| 02:53.35 | pengown | My init did not change, nothing is broken |
| 02:53.41 | dvs | !blame pengown |
| 02:53.41 | dpkg | blames ryouma and pengown for all the evil in the world |
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| 02:53.44 | pengown | There are just programs that are there. |
| 02:54.00 | pengown | It was a virtual machine. |
| 02:55.51 | ghormoon | am i sick person if I laugh at the author of the mail in security list? :) |
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| 02:58.06 | awal1 | Agent_Isai: is 'gnome-control-center' installed there? |
| 02:58.18 | Agent_Isai | Let me check |
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| 02:58.58 | Agent_Isai | awal1: nope |
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| 03:01.44 | awal1 | Agent_Isai: I dont use gnome, but I wonder if that pack is the one that handle gnome settings. I think so |
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| 03:02.20 | Agent_Isai | :/ |
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| 03:03.21 | Agent_Isai | :O |
| 03:03.29 | awal1 | try installing it so |
| 03:03.36 | Agent_Isai | awal1: you were right! Settings opened, thanks! |
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| 03:04.22 | awal1 | I dont know how you can have a non broken gnome without that pack... |
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| 03:06.09 | Agent_Isai | :/ |
| 03:06.21 | Agent_Isai | I've REALLY wrecked my Jessie installation |
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| 04:12.29 | Encapsulation | why doesn't https://packages.debian.org/sid/mail/sendemail seem to work |
| 04:14.16 | somiaj | Encapsulation: what do you mean? Did you just download that package and try to install it? |
| 04:14.30 | Encapsulation | it installed but I can't seem to send an email |
| 04:14.43 | somiaj | Encapsulation: do you run sid? |
| 04:14.47 | somiaj | Encapsulation: or do y ou use stable? |
| 04:15.02 | Encapsulation | its on my rpi |
| 04:15.17 | Encapsulation | I'm not sure |
| 04:15.42 | somiaj | Encapsulation: that could be your problem. Do you have raspbian installed on your pi? you should use packages designed for raspbian, not debian sid |
| 04:15.45 | somiaj | !raspbian |
| 04:15.45 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
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| 04:23.05 | Lady_Aleena | Hello everyone. Last night was pretty chaotic with all of the problems which seemed to creep up at the same time. So on top of my buggy usb hub and a usb drive which will only mount read-only, I have discovered my computer will not shut down. I tried shutting it down twice, it rebooted each time. (And I would also like to give my other drives friendlier names than /media/7ABC91CABC918175/ still.) I don't know where to start anymore. |
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| 04:24.05 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: have to pick somewhere to start. But to give your device a nice name, I think you can just change the filesystem name identifier. |
| 04:24.24 | freq | has anyone tried arch on the max? |
| 04:24.24 | Lady_Aleena | googling. |
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| 04:24.58 | somiaj | freq: this is a #debian support room, arch linux (I assume you mean) is off topic here. |
| 04:25.02 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: what file system is on the drive? |
| 04:26.30 | freq | totally forgot what room i was in :p |
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| 04:29.15 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, from /etc/fstab: /dev/sdc2 /media/7ABC91CABC918175 ntfs defaults,uid=1000,gid=users,fmask=0113 0 0 |
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| 04:29.34 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, tell you the file system? |
| 04:29.58 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: this is ntfs from windows. Does a windows computer also use this filesystem? |
| 04:31.02 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, no, but I don't have anywhere to put the files on the drive at the moment. |
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| 04:32.22 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: do you ahve ntfs-3g installed? Try this command 'ntfslabel /dev/sdc2' |
| 04:32.35 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: does it return that same 7ABC..... label? |
| 04:33.04 | Lady_Aleena | command not found |
| 04:33.34 | Lady_Aleena | I guess I don't have ntfs-3g installed. What is it? |
| 04:33.47 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: that could explain why the file system is being mounted read-only |
| 04:33.59 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: it is a better driver for ntfs file systems than the one in the kernel, apt-get install ntfs-3g |
| 04:34.20 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, this hard drive NOT being mounted read only, a USB drive is. |
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| 04:35.08 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: hm, well the read/write support by the default ntfs driver is fairly poor. I wouldn't trust it and use ntfs-3g |
| 04:35.22 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, /media/7ABC91CABC918175 is fine, /media/CRUZER is the one being mounted read-only. I have been copying stuff off of CRUZER all day into various places. |
| 04:35.25 | somiaj | I'm surprised it is mounting as read/write, by default that driver tries to only mount read-only (unless things changes) |
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| 04:36.11 | Lady_Aleena | The only problem with /media/7ABC91CABC918175 is the REALLY bad name. |
| 04:36.13 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: is this drive an internal drive and you just want it mounted somewhere? You don't need to change the volume label since it isn't an automount issue, just change the fstb line |
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| 04:36.46 | somiaj | I still suggest ntfs-3g for that, but just edit your /etc/fstab file and change 7ABC..... to what ever you want to (then create that directory) |
| 04:36.48 | Lady_Aleena | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:37.05 | somiaj | yea if fstab is mounting it, you can easily change that location to something with a nice name |
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| 04:37.32 | Lady_Aleena | No voodoo? |
| 04:37.50 | Lady_Aleena | Hold on I need to go afk. Be back in ~5 minutes. |
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| 04:44.28 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, how about renaming cdrom0 and cdrom1? Also, I don't see my floppy disk drive listed, nor my iOmega (don't poke fun). |
| 04:45.03 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: don't see them listd where? |
| 04:45.12 | Lady_Aleena | in /ect/fstab |
| 04:45.19 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: depending on how you configure your system, not all drives are listed in /etc/fstab |
| 04:45.20 | Lady_Aleena | /etc/fstab |
| 04:45.29 | somiaj | they don't put floppies in there by default anymore, but it may be there. |
| 04:45.32 | Lady_Aleena | What if I want them all listed. |
| 04:45.45 | somiaj | as for calling it cdrom0 vs cdrom1, it depends on if you mean the mount location or the device name. |
| 04:46.19 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: first I would understand that what mount does is take a device name /dev/sdc2 and assigns it a location. all fstab does is have a record of those things. |
| 04:46.33 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: but one problem at a time, otherwise you will never get anywhere. |
| 04:46.41 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, I think I'd like to name /media/7ABC91CABC918175 something nice like /media/d. /media/cdrom0 to /media/e, and /media/cdrom1 to /media/f. |
| 04:46.49 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: to change the mount point of /etc/sdc2 edit your /etc/fstab, change the /media to whatever youw ant. |
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| 04:47.03 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: well one at a time, maybe after I show you one you can figure out the rest |
| 04:48.42 | Lady_Aleena | I'm also skimming https://wiki.debian.org/fstab |
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| 04:50.13 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, before we start, will any of this hurt the data on the drive? |
| 04:51.52 | swift110-phone | Hmm |
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| 04:55.44 | Lady_Aleena | On https://wiki.debian.org/fstab under Field definitions, <options>, user it mentions nodev. I don't see nodev defined, what is nodev? |
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| 05:00.55 | gellioth | some kde+debian irc channel? |
| 05:01.26 | Lady_Aleena | gellioth, I've not found one. |
| 05:01.46 | gellioth | You are looking for one too? |
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| 05:02.32 | Lady_Aleena | gellioth, not really, but I've not come across one in the year or so I've been a debian+KDE user. |
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| 05:02.52 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: no I'm just changing the location it mounts |
| 05:03.12 | gellioth | Lady_Aleena: ah.... good |
| 05:03.14 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: step 1) 'mkdir /media/whatever' where whatever is the name of the directory you want to mount at. |
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| 05:03.32 | somiaj | gellioth: I think there is a #debian-kde on irc.oftc.net |
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| 05:03.51 | somiaj | that is correct, there is one |
| 05:04.10 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, would you please send all of the steps to me in direct messages so if I have any questions before I begin, I can ask intelligently? |
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| 05:04.50 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: these aren't that complicated, just one at a time. |
| 05:04.52 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, also, don't want to "take over" the channel. |
| 05:05.03 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: first create the dir you want to make the file at, and doing it here is just fine |
| 05:05.08 | gellioth | ok, thanks, after six years.... I came back to KDE and is good, but I need to re-learn a couple things |
| 05:05.18 | zRecursive | Can i surf irc.oftc.net and freenode at the same time using emacs's ERC ? |
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| 05:05.41 | somiaj | zRecursive: most irc clients allow you to connect to multiple servers at the same time. As for that paticular one I cannot answer. |
| 05:05.44 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, sudo required? |
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| 05:06.03 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: yes all these commands I issue will need to be run as root. |
| 05:06.17 | darthanubis | sudo would need to be setup in Debian |
| 05:06.24 | darthanubis | not in ubuntu |
| 05:06.28 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: are you calling this drive 'd' or 'e'? |
| 05:06.29 | zRecursive | somiaj: i cannot find the answer too |
| 05:07.03 | somiaj | darthanubis: by default it should be set up on the primay user, and any other user just needs to be added to the 'sudo' group for full access. |
| 05:07.05 | superfast | hi |
| 05:07.20 | darthanubis | somiaj, It wasn't |
| 05:07.21 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, probably not. I'll go a little semantic. |
| 05:07.30 | somiaj | darthanubis: so it is basiclly setup. I think the primary user is only given sudo rights if you choose to not login as root. |
| 05:07.37 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, I think I'll go with /media/hd2 |
| 05:07.45 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: okay, 'mkdir /media/hd2' |
| 05:08.03 | Lady_Aleena | 'sudo mkdir /media/hd2'? |
| 05:08.05 | somiaj | darthanubis: this is new since wheezy, before then you had to create the sudoers file, now you can just add users to the sudo group and it works. |
| 05:08.15 | asterismo | hi people |
| 05:08.16 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: correct, as I said I will be doing commands that need root privlages. |
| 05:08.33 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, dir made. |
| 05:08.44 | darthanubis | well yeah, the add to the sudoers file is the setup I was referring to |
| 05:08.56 | darthanubis | and group |
| 05:09.13 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: now 'sudo umount /media/3ABC....' whatever the ugly name is |
| 05:09.23 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: then run 'sudo mount /dev/sdc2 /media/hd2' |
| 05:09.46 | somiaj | darthanubis: and I'm saying you don't need to modify the sudoers file anymore, for full sudo privalges. |
| 05:09.57 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, drive umounted. |
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| 05:10.11 | Lady_Aleena | is now in scary territory. |
| 05:10.22 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: don't worry, I'm not issuing any dangerous commands. |
| 05:10.36 | darthanubis | [01:06:17] <darthanubis> sudo would need to be setup in Debian |
| 05:11.04 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, drive mounted (I hope). |
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| 05:11.12 | darthanubis | user is does not have sudo rights after install |
| 05:11.17 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: ls /media/hd2 |
| 05:11.31 | Lady_Aleena | I see the file list. |
| 05:11.46 | somiaj | darthanubis: I explaind this to you. You are correct, but if you disable root login, then you are incorrect. The primary user is added to the sudo group under certain conditions in the install. |
| 05:11.54 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, I did 'ls /media' and the ugly name is still there. |
| 05:12.22 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: that is fine, directoires don't disapear when you umount it, if you ls the ugly directory you should see it is empty (it is just sitting there for somthing to be mounted at) |
| 05:12.41 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: once you are happy y ou can se the files in /media/hd2, go and edit the fstab file and change the ugly name to hd2, and you are done. |
| 05:12.41 | darthanubis | There was nothing to explain, as no one was talking about disabling root login. |
| 05:13.04 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: after that just 'rmdir /media/uglynmae' if you don't want it anymore |
| 05:14.03 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, reboot? |
| 05:14.22 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: nope |
| 05:14.24 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, or will the changes take place next reboot without me having to do anything. |
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| 05:14.45 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: the commands I had you typed manually moved the mount point so it is now in the spot you want it. changing the fstab file made it so it will put it there next boot. |
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| 05:15.22 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: think you can repeate this for your cdrom0 drive (is there already a mention of them in the /etc/fstab file), for drives not in the /etc/fstab file I can help you locate them |
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| 05:15.33 | Encapsulation | how can I send email from the command line? |
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| 05:16.19 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, very nice. THANK YOU for getting rid of the ugly name. I think I will leave the others alone for now. They are NOT ugly, and I hardly deal with them directly. |
| 05:16.22 | somiaj | Encapsulation: we don't really support raspbian users, only debian users here. You should use their irc channel. There are lots of ways, I prefer using mutt (But that really isn't from the cli, that is an ncurses client) If you really want cli commands there are lots of options, even mailx |
| 05:16.41 | Encapsulation | it doesnt have to be raspbian specific |
| 05:16.47 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: you can of course configure where any drive/partition is mounted on your filesystem. And change it if you want to. |
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| 05:17.29 | somiaj | Encapsulation: we support users of #debian not its derivatives for social and technecial reasons. Somethings are not rasbian specific others are. We don't distingiush as part of the os you choose is the support comunity. |
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| 05:18.23 | somiaj | the techencial reason is we don't want to have to determine which thigns are specific to your os and which aren't, and it is a pain figuring this out. The social reason is as volenteers here we want to support debian, (: |
| 05:18.57 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, I'm going to step away to make notes of what we just did. A few minutes |
| 05:18.59 | Lady_Aleena | ? |
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| 05:19.25 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: that seemed like a statement, not a question. Learn at your own pace (: |
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| 05:27.14 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, is the following an accurate description? http://paste.debian.net/172983/ |
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| 05:28.29 | KM0201 | Lady_Aleena: that looks right (although admittedly, i prefer UUID's, because /dev/sd* can change |
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| 05:29.31 | KM0201 | Lady_Aleena: why do you not want to use UUIDs? |
| 05:29.50 | somiaj | KM0201: that was put there by the installer, easier to just to use it as it is, seems this internal drive doens't change all that often |
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| 05:30.45 | KM0201 | somiaj: right, but i've had sd* change plenty of times... (usb and internal, for whatever reason)... i just find UUID's are easier, and don't have to deal w/ fixing fstab, etc.. when there's an issue |
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| 05:31.58 | Lady_Aleena | KM0201, UUID? |
| 05:32.08 | KM0201 | Lady_Aleena: that's what that long number is |
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| 05:32.57 | Lady_Aleena | KM0201, I see a 2 UUIDs in /etc/fstab, I just don't know what they are doing. |
| 05:33.36 | Lady_Aleena | KM0201, I have not even scratched the surface of linux yet. |
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| 05:33.47 | KM0201 | i understand |
| 05:34.10 | KM0201 | i just find the UUID's better... if you need to browse them in command line, use tab to auto complete. |
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| 05:34.40 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: the devinces, /dev/sda, /dev/sdb, /dev/sdc are just assigned by the kernel in order of how they are detected. This can change each boot (and with removable devices change each time you plug it in) |
| 05:35.05 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: UUID is an identifier on the file system that can be used, so it will be mounted despite what the kernel chooses to call the device. |
| 05:35.21 | KM0201 | most likely the two UUIDs you see now are one for swap, and one for the / partition |
| 05:35.36 | somiaj | A little extra step in configuring the mount info in /etc/fstab, but if things change around then it is useful |
| 05:35.54 | somiaj | If things don't change, it really doesn't matter. Many internal drives don't have this problem (though sometimes they do if you have a usb pluged in at boot) |
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| 05:36.43 | KM0201 | somiaj: admittedly, it's only been an issue for me on my NAS, and just as force of habit, i always use UUID's on my laptop to avoid similar issues. |
| 05:37.40 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: Think of it as a name vs an id number, just a way to identify the device on your system. The name is just what ever the ocmputer decides to call it, the id number is attached to the filesystem (drive) itself. |
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| 05:38.09 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: windows calls it C:, D:, E:, linux calls it /dev/sdc2, /dev/sda1, and so forth. |
| 05:38.26 | KM0201 | i imagine she gets it now. |
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| 05:39.49 | Lady_Aleena | To sum up... UUIDs are the hard and fast (as in firmly attached) alphanumerical sequence which can 'always |
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| 05:40.44 | Lady_Aleena | be trusted. Names like /dev/sdc2 could change depending on the circumstances, such as a USB drive being inserted. |
| 05:40.54 | KM0201 | Lady_Aleena: affirmative |
| 05:40.58 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: they won't change if you plug the drive into a diffet computer, move it to a different port inside the computer, etc. |
| 05:41.05 | Lady_Aleena | became fumble fingered. |
| 05:41.44 | KM0201 | easy way to put it, UUID is a constant... /dev/sd* is a variable |
| 05:42.00 | Lady_Aleena | So, if I had the UUIDs of all of my USB drives, for example, I could give them hard and fast names in /etc/fstab. |
| 05:42.07 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: correct |
| 05:42.25 | KM0201 | why do you need "hard and fast" names |
| 05:42.27 | KM0201 | ? |
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| 05:43.32 | Lady_Aleena | How about other disks like CD-ROMs, floppy disks, and (again no teasing) iOmega disks? Dos the drive have the UUID or each individual disk? |
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| 05:43.57 | Lady_Aleena | s/Dos/Does/; |
| 05:44.09 | KM0201 | cd drives do i'm pretty sure... iomega's (lol) and floppies, i'm no sure.. i've not used either in a long, long time |
| 05:44.15 | KM0201 | but i'd be willing to bet they probably do |
| 05:44.51 | Lady_Aleena | KM0201, yes, I still have iOmega and 3.5" disks floating around here. |
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| 05:45.02 | nuentoter | If i want to get an older copy of postgreSQL do i need to remove the previous (newer) version? or can I have both? |
| 05:45.04 | KM0201 | chuckles |
| 05:45.07 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: the uuid is apart of the file system. Unsure if the file system on cd's has an uuid |
| 05:45.08 | Lady_Aleena | I even have some 5.25" disks. |
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| 05:45.37 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: /dev/cdom0 and /dev/cdrom1 is not the device of the cddrive, these are links that udev creates to make it easier to identify them. |
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| 05:45.52 | KM0201 | hmm |
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| 05:45.56 | KM0201 | pops ina cd |
| 05:46.15 | somiaj | nuentoter: I woudln't try to install old/non supported versoin on your system. Contact the people who make the software you want and have them update it. Or figure out the make file yourself and make the changes. |
| 05:46.18 | ronkrt | I did gpasswd -a ronkrt sudo. |
| 05:47.04 | ronkrt | Now get ronkrt@powdev:~$ sudo -bash: sudo: command not found ronkrt@powdev:~$ |
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| 05:47.31 | KM0201 | http://paste.debian.net/172991/ ( somiaj Lady_Aleena ) looks like CD's do have UUID's |
| 05:47.42 | somiaj | ronkrt: do you ahve the package 'sudo' installed. |
| 05:47.59 | fender0107401 | hi all |
| 05:48.03 | ronkrt | I should lemme check |
| 05:48.17 | KM0201 | just use su - |
| 05:48.22 | somiaj | KM0201: wasn't sure if it was in the iso9660 standard, but looks like that is a udf and not iso9660 file iamge. |
| 05:48.56 | KM0201 | somiaj: good point |
| 05:49.05 | KM0201 | well, i don't have very many CD's, so you're SOL for further investigatiob |
| 05:49.06 | KM0201 | kik |
| 05:49.11 | KM0201 | lol |
| 05:49.24 | somiaj | could be one is created from the info on the file system even if it isn't included. |
| 05:49.30 | Lady_Aleena | KM0201, you don't have any floppies? ;) |
| 05:49.31 | KM0201 | could be |
| 05:49.37 | KM0201 | Lady_Aleena: um, not since i was about 13 |
| 05:50.04 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: I threw out all my floppies and two zip drives when I purged my odl stuff I haven't touced in about 10 years. I don't even have a floppy drive on my system. PUt the file on a usbthumb drive years ago. |
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| 05:51.00 | Lady_Aleena | feels really old now. |
| 05:51.02 | KM0201 | i have a NAS, so i don't bother with backup media.. everything goes on the NAS, i have a big USB hard drive, that I back the NAS up to once or twic ea month |
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| 05:51.32 | SirLagz | I still have a floppy drive and some floppies |
| 05:51.34 | KM0201 | NAS's have b ecome so cheap (or if you're a DIY'er, you can build one, and there's lots of good OS's for them) |
| 05:51.43 | SirLagz | KM0201: indeed :D |
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| 05:52.01 | KM0201 | SirLagz: well, most of us didn't get ours for $5, so your'e the extreme exception there..lol |
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| 05:52.11 | SirLagz | KM0201: bahahaha |
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| 05:52.44 | SirLagz | KM0201: at least I still have a proper NAS :P - 7x500GB OMV Box :D |
| 05:53.09 | KM0201 | oh i didn't know you had an OMV box. |
| 05:53.37 | SirLagz | KM0201: yep, that's my actual NAS, not my $5 crapbox |
| 05:53.44 | KM0201 | oh ok |
| 05:54.00 | SirLagz | but the OMV box is filled up. I need to build a new OMV box with like 4x 2TB. Then I'd be happy :D |
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| 05:54.18 | SirLagz | KM0201: the $5 was a bit of an experiment |
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| 05:54.37 | KM0201 | i've got 2x2tb now, i'm probably gonna upgrade to 2x4tb next month. |
| 05:54.52 | SirLagz | I want 4x2 or 4x3 TB for 2 RAID1 arrays |
| 05:55.04 | KM0201 | i never see you in the OMV channel, didn't know you used it. |
| 05:55.12 | SirLagz | or maybe even 4x4TB depending on when I buy it |
| 05:55.16 | SirLagz | KM0201: THERES AN OMV CHANNEL ?!?!?! |
| 05:55.28 | SirLagz | KM0201: shoulda figured actually haha |
| 05:55.30 | KM0201 | #openmediavault not as much traffic as here.. |
| 05:55.51 | SirLagz | I think I idled there for a while and not a single person made a peep so I probably stopped idling there |
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| 05:56.21 | KM0201 | yeah, not a ton of traffic unfortunately... the forums are always busy, there's only a few "regulars" who chat in the channel |
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| 05:56.29 | swift110-phone | Imbhere |
| 05:56.42 | SirLagz | I'll just stick to #debian / #debian-offtopic / whatever else I'm on now then heh |
| 05:57.26 | KM0201 | i don't chat much there, but i keep it open just in case someone pops in w/ a question... most folks that come in there, are looking for freenas alternatives, so i try to answer most of their questions |
| 05:57.45 | SirLagz | ah |
| 05:58.03 | SirLagz | I might jump in there then in case I can help |
| 05:58.15 | KM0201 | that's the only reason i idle there to be honest |
| 05:58.20 | SirLagz | haha |
| 05:59.42 | swift110-phone | Ok |
| 06:00.04 | swift110-phone | Well is debian w openbox just as good as crunchbang |
| 06:00.10 | Lady_Aleena | Do you know, if someone had nabbed me before I saw Windows 3 and made me a Linux fan back in 1993-1994, I might have been teaching you all tricks? No one nabbed me, and I am behind and awkward when it comes to linux. I had a job where I had access to a *nix system, so I learned some real easy things like writing aliases before I ever saw Windows. |
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| 06:00.49 | KM0201 | Lady_Aleena: understood... i dabbled in Linux w/ Win 95 and 98 |
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| 06:00.59 | KM0201 | WIn ME gave me a swift kick in the ass to moving to Linux as quickly as possible. |
| 06:01.56 | KM0201 | i dual booted XP and Linux for a very short time, before moving to Linux full time |
| 06:01.57 | swift110-phone | Lol |
| 06:02.05 | SirLagz | I dual booted Windows and Linux for ages because gaming |
| 06:02.13 | swift110-phone | I started linux in 2010 |
| 06:02.18 | KM0201 | i'm not a gamer so that's not an issue i faced |
| 06:02.20 | Lady_Aleena | KM0201, I got sucked in. I went from DOS 6.0 to 6.2 with Windows 3 and 3.1. I then went to Windows 95, 98, then XP. It was only in December 2013 when I installed Debian with KDE. |
| 06:02.41 | anddam | I'd need a suggestion, I want to use gwave that used to be in squeeze, removed jessie and is now in sid, I started building the ssb but this turned out in pain due to gnome-guile dependencies now removed in jessie |
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| 06:03.32 | anddam | is building a set of several backports wort the hassle or should I just install a focused distro like FEL that already have all the packages I need? |
| 06:04.09 | anddam | or is it viable to update the whole system to sid? |
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| 06:05.45 | Lady_Aleena | spent way too much time on telnet. |
| 06:07.48 | KM0201 | anddam: i don't think i'd update a system to SID, unless your'e prepared to deal w/ problems |
| 06:07.49 | anddam | Lady_Aleena: sounds unsecure |
| 06:08.03 | anddam | KM0201: I am dealing with frustration right now |
| 06:08.18 | KM0201 | well... have at it then |
| 06:08.19 | Lady_Aleena | anddam, this was back in the early to mid 90s. |
| 06:08.33 | anddam | ah so insecure as well but noone cared back then |
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| 06:09.23 | Lady_Aleena | anddam, I was on bbss a lot. |
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| 06:10.53 | Lady_Aleena | Now to the next problem. I have a usb drive which will only mount read-only. Is there any fix for it, or do I have to wipe it and start all over? |
| 06:12.22 | Lady_Aleena | The only page on my Google search of the error in English said reformatting was the only way to make the drive usable again. |
| 06:13.20 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: did you fsck the drive ? |
| 06:13.51 | nuentoter | If i want to get an older copy of postgreSQL do i need to remove the previous (newer) version? or can I have both? |
| 06:14.15 | KM0201 | nuentoter: you *probably* need to remove the newer version |
| 06:14.38 | somiaj | nuentoter: again this isn't the best solution for your problem. I would file a bug against the software you want to install and have them change the make file to make ti cwork with postgresql 9.4 |
| 06:14.41 | Lady_Aleena | googles. |
| 06:16.16 | nuentoter | i should be able to update the paths in the make file myself to point towards the new version, would it be as simple as that? |
| 06:16.35 | nuentoter | oh and i did send them an email earlier |
| 06:16.48 | darxmurf | hi all |
| 06:16.54 | nuentoter | hello |
| 06:18.03 | Lady_Aleena | SirLagz, can you walk me through it? I'm not getting any fsck for dummies pages. |
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| 06:18.56 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: sure. Make sure the drive is unmounted, then run `sudo fsck.vfat /dev/sdx1` <- replace sdx with the usb drive |
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| 06:19.22 | Lady_Aleena | SirLagz, how do I find out the /dev location? |
| 06:19.41 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: dmesg should show you when you plug the usb drive in |
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| 06:20.06 | Lokke | hello world, i try to setup my debian VPS ad gateway to the internet (client windows PC - Debian with pptpd server) |
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| 06:21.10 | Lokke | now i can connect to the server and controll it over the new local IPv4 adress - but i cant access the internet with VPN enaled |
| 06:21.17 | Lokke | enabled* |
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| 06:21.39 | Lokke | its just an experiment to undertand linux |
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| 06:23.20 | Lokke | can anyone tell me what i have to do, to forward all traffic from the VPN to the internet? |
| 06:23.41 | vandox | Port forwarding in the router? |
| 06:24.10 | Lokke | why in the router? |
| 06:24.16 | Lokke | i can connect to the VPS |
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| 06:24.42 | Lokke | i have a ping to it and can open SSH on his new local ip |
| 06:24.43 | superrorc | hi there! |
| 06:24.54 | zRecursive | Lokke: How do you use your VPS ? |
| 06:24.56 | Lokke | the VPS is not at my home |
| 06:25.27 | Lokke | just for experimenting with debian or setting up a gameserver if needed for a few hours |
| 06:25.34 | superrorc | after upgradeing from 7.8 to 8 my iptables rules dont applaying after boot |
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| 06:25.48 | Lokke | but mostly to press the reinstall button if ifu***ed the system =D |
| 06:25.53 | superrorc | if i manuali do iptables-restore < /etc/iptables/rules.v4 - all good |
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| 06:26.06 | superrorc | i use iptables-persistent 1.0.3 |
| 06:26.15 | superrorc | any ideas pls? |
| 06:26.28 | Lokke | . |
| 06:26.50 | ronkrt | Can anyone tell me why i can't apt get install libboost-all-dev libdb5.1-dev libdb5.1++-dev |
| 06:26.50 | ronkrt | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:27.10 | somiaj | ronkrt: not unless you give us the actual error messages at paste.debian.net |
| 06:27.23 | Lokke | sysctl -p |
| 06:27.24 | Lokke | net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1 |
| 06:27.24 | Lokke | net.ipv6.conf.all.forwarding = 1 |
| 06:27.33 | Lokke | port forwarding is enabled |
| 06:27.44 | Lokke | ipv4 forwarding* |
| 06:27.50 | Lady_Aleena | SirLagz, I think it is sdd1. |
| 06:28.14 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: ok cool. so then the command would be sudo fsck /dev/sdd1 |
| 06:28.18 | SirLagz | fsck.vfat |
| 06:28.32 | KM0201 | Lady_Aleena: you can verify by using the command blkid |
| 06:28.56 | swift110-phone | Umm~ |
| 06:29.04 | KM0201 | or fdisk |
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| 06:29.26 | Lady_Aleena | SirLagz, the last lines of dmesg |
| 06:29.39 | ronkrt | http://paste.debian.net/173005/ |
| 06:29.48 | Lokke | ronkrt: what its the messege u get? |
| 06:30.01 | Lady_Aleena | http://paste.debian.net/173004/ |
| 06:30.29 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: yes, sdd1 is correct |
| 06:30.30 | Lokke | maybe ur sources.list is empty? |
| 06:30.38 | Lokke | ronkrt: |
| 06:30.46 | ronkrt | Thanks lemme check |
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| 06:30.56 | KM0201 | going to bed |
| 06:30.58 | KM0201 | night foljks |
| 06:31.02 | SirLagz | KM0201: night |
| 06:31.09 | KM0201 | later, see you around |
| 06:31.15 | Lady_Aleena | SirLagz, so unmount it and 'run sudo fsck.vfat /dev/ssd1' |
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| 06:31.45 | ronkrt | Where would sources.list be |
| 06:31.55 | Lokke | in /apt |
| 06:32.01 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: yes..except you want /dev/sdd and not /dev/ssd |
| 06:32.27 | Lokke | ronkrt: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 06:32.48 | Lady_Aleena | SirLagz, 'dosfsck 3.0.13, 30 Jun 2012, FAT32, LFN; open: No such file or directory' |
| 06:33.02 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: can you paste the command you used ? |
| 06:33.23 | Lady_Aleena | sudo fsck.vfat /dev/ssd1 |
| 06:33.43 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: you have ssd and not sdd |
| 06:34.04 | NiLon | so I was using dotdeb archive for php5, but now it's not needed and when doing upgrade it wants to install php5-json packet, but fails: trying to overwrite '/usr/include/php5/ext/json/php_json.h', which is also in package php5-dev 5.6.7-1~dotdeb.2 |
| 06:34.15 | NiLon | and I'm stuck, I can't remove php5-dev or install php5-json |
| 06:34.24 | ronkrt | Well this bites |
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| 06:35.04 | Lady_Aleena | SirLagz, 'dosfsck 3.0.13, 30 Jun 2012, FAT32, LFN; open: No such file or directory' again |
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| 06:35.52 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: can you paste the command again ? |
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| 06:36.05 | Lady_Aleena | sudo fsck.vfat /dev/sdd1 |
| 06:36.19 | Lokke | ronkrt: did it help? |
| 06:36.47 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: what type of hardware is this drive? usb thumb drive? or somethign else? |
| 06:36.48 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: ok, you probably will need to reformat it then |
| 06:36.53 | Lady_Aleena | Should I try the lowercase l instead of the number 1? |
| 06:37.02 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, usb thumb drive. |
| 06:37.05 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: nope, it's definitely a one |
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| 06:37.13 | ronkrt | No |
| 06:37.18 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: there doesn't happen to be some hardware switch on it making it read only? |
| 06:37.21 | SirLagz | Lady_Aleena: I'd say the power outages you were having probably corrupted it |
| 06:37.22 | ronkrt | Not but not full |
| 06:37.25 | ronkrt | http://paste.debian.net/173007/ |
| 06:37.36 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: also did you share the output of dmesg when it is pluged in and the file system mounted, so we can see why it is being mounted read-only. |
| 06:37.40 | ronkrt | That's what it d |
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| 06:38.02 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, last night we had2 blink-and-you-miss-it power outages. My computer rebooted after each one. |
| 06:38.23 | Lady_Aleena | somiaj, http://paste.debian.net/173004/ |
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| 06:38.38 | NiLon | use more force seemed to do the trick |
| 06:38.52 | NiLon | get a bigger hammer seems like valid solution |
| 06:39.11 | ronkrt | Any idea Lokke |
| 06:39.13 | somiaj | ,v libboost-all-dev |
| 06:39.14 | judd | Package: libboost-all-dev on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.42.0.1; wheezy: 1.49.0.1; stretch: 1.55.0.2; jessie: 1.55.0.2; sid: 1.55.0.2 |
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| 06:39.35 | ronkrt | Hmmm |
| 06:39.37 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: yea, I see it now. Thanks. |
| 06:39.49 | somiaj | ronkrt: apt-get update now that you cahnged your sources.list |
| 06:40.22 | ronkrt | I didn't change it.. Yet |
| 06:40.27 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: if the repair didn't work then yes you will have to recreate the file system. |
| 06:40.44 | somiaj | ronkrt: output of apt-cache policy at paste.debian.net then. |
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| 06:42.00 | Lady_Aleena | SirLagz and somiaj, I was hoping there was another way. This was my main backup USB.. *takes a deep breath* I hope I didn't forget to copy anything vital over to my 2nd hard drive. |
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| 06:42.50 | Lady_Aleena | GUH! I hope the files I copied over didn't come over read-only. If they did, I am so screwed. |
| 06:43.37 | ronkrt | L ok one sec |
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| 06:48.40 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: once you copy it you can make it read/write. So that is fine. |
| 06:48.42 | Ragav | Installed debian jessie on N2600 board (Jetway).Booted the system with HDMI display. Now , I am trying to extend the display by connecting a VGA adapter. But there VF+GA does not seem to work, The display is blank. Confused how to handle this and make the DUAL display work. http://pastebin.com/vbbcSs3t request some guidance |
| 06:49.01 | ronkrt | apt-cache policy > apt-cache policy |
| 06:49.08 | Lady_Aleena | SirLagz and somiaj, I will have to deal with the reformat later today (after sleep and a doctor's appointment) or tomorrow. I need to shower and get to bed. |
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| 06:49.26 | somiaj | Ragav: can you put the output of 'xrandr -q' at paste.debian.net |
| 06:49.38 | somiaj | Ragav: oh nevermind, thanks |
| 06:49.58 | Lady_Aleena | Good $daypart everyone! |
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| 06:51.09 | ronkrt | somiaj: did see ? apt-cache policy http://paste.debian.net/173018/ |
| 06:51.48 | somiaj | Ragav: what have you tried to configure the second display. I see three displays connected in your paste. |
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| 06:53.07 | somiaj | ronkrt: that output is very hard to read, your output is garbled with nano. |
| 06:53.08 | Ragav | somiaj: I did not do any special commands... I have a system where HDMI , VGA & LVDS connected in which i get output only for HDMI.. |
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| 06:53.20 | Ragav | Just trying to make all there work and controllable |
| 06:53.20 | ronkrt | Eh ok |
| 06:53.26 | ronkrt | One sec |
| 06:53.47 | somiaj | Ragav: according to your paste, you should be getting output on your LVDS as well, and I see your VGA is connencted, you just need to tell it to use it |
| 06:53.56 | somiaj | Ragav: do you use a desktop enviomrent, if so which one? |
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| 06:54.28 | ronkrt | I'm on a mobile |
| 06:54.35 | Ragav | GNOME |
| 06:54.38 | ronkrt | That's the prob |
| 06:54.45 | ronkrt | Here is a better view |
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| 06:54.55 | ronkrt | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/1UxwaqZn/Screenshot_2015-05-07-23-54-16.png |
| 06:55.02 | somiaj | ronkrt: does the system you are running these comands on have internet connenction? |
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| 06:55.20 | ronkrt | Yrs |
| 06:55.38 | somiaj | ronkrt: the problem is you only have squeeze-lts and security.debian.org sources, you don't have the main sources |
| 06:56.04 | somiaj | ronkrt: this means you only have access to the packages which have security fixes in them. The ones that don't are on the main http.debian.net mirror, so you need to modify your sources.list |
| 06:56.23 | ronkrt | How can i fix that.. Data center may have done that |
| 06:56.34 | somiaj | Ragav: I belive gnome has a display controll tool under system tools, have you looked for that? |
| 06:56.35 | ronkrt | Ok |
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| 06:56.48 | somiaj | ronkrt: show me what your sources.list looks like, add the correct line |
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| 06:57.46 | ronkrt | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/5PUI2xSu/Screenshot_2015-05-07-23-57-35.png |
| 06:59.02 | somiaj | ronkrt: change the mirror on the top line from ftp.us.debian.org to http.debian.net, though I don't see why it wasn't getting squeeze, wonder if it moved to archive.debian.org with the release. |
| 06:59.08 | anddam | how can I check who's pulling guile-1.8 ? https://gist.github.com/anddam/2fc3f3ec50fe6e096040 |
| 06:59.11 | somiaj | though I thought they were going to leave it on the mirrors as oldoldstable |
| 07:00.00 | Ragav | went for settings and and seems notig is configurable there |
| 07:00.08 | somiaj | ronkrt: maybe you just got a mirror that dosen't host squeeze anymore,b ut I don't see it on archive so it must be on the main mirrors still. |
| 07:00.19 | Ragav | settings / display option hope you are talking about that |
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| 07:00.46 | somiaj | Ragav: right click on the desktop, display? Yea I'm just guessing I don't use gnome. You can read man xrandr and look up the syntax to manually configure the display with the command |
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| 07:01.30 | ronkrt | Hmm |
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| 07:02.50 | somiaj | ronkrt: or there was smoe error when you ran apt-get update |
| 07:03.08 | somiaj | ronkrt: but use http.debian.net it is a better mirror redirector than ftp.us.debian.org, maybe that'll fix your problem. |
| 07:03.28 | ronkrt | Ok |
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| 07:04.44 | Lokke | i still need help setting up pptpd ad gateway to connect from windows (at home) to my VPS (hosted by a company) into the world wide web |
| 07:05.01 | Lokke | does anyone have time to explane me some questions about it? |
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| 07:05.17 | Lokke | i have pptpd installed right now |
| 07:05.27 | Lokke | i can connect to the server |
| 07:05.44 | ronkrt | somiaj: with the devs |
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| 07:06.19 | ronkrt | It's still not working yrs i did apt-get update |
| 07:06.35 | somiaj | Lokke: Sounds like a firewall somewhere, ssh port 22 is open but ftp port (21 I think) is closed |
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| 07:06.58 | somiaj | ronkrt: again look at apt-cache policy, if you don't see the main mirror there and only squeeze-lts and security, you don't have access to the main repo. |
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| 07:08.23 | ronkrt | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/x940rUPu/Screenshot_2015-05-08-00-07-59.png |
| 07:08.28 | ronkrt | That's new |
| 07:08.42 | ronkrt | Any improvement? |
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| 07:09.39 | Lokke | somiaj: i can connect to teh server and can controll him from hone now - but i setted iot up as my default gateway - if i connect to the server i cant connect to the internet anymore (just to the server - and there is the end of my connection) - ill go online with the IP of this server |
| 07:09.44 | Ragav | somiaj : xrandr ; cannot find crtc for out VGA-0 |
| 07:09.53 | somiaj | Lokke: you can connect to the server via ssh correct? |
| 07:10.07 | Lokke | maybe i can send you a few pastebins which could help you to explane me whats wrong in my configuration? |
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| 07:10.13 | Lokke | yes |
| 07:10.19 | Lokke | via FTP too |
| 07:10.29 | Lokke | sFTP for sure too |
| 07:10.39 | Lokke | on the running gameserver too |
| 07:10.51 | Lokke | with the local IP |
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| 07:11.12 | anddam | Lokke: what games is it hosting? |
| 07:11.17 | Lokke | openRA |
| 07:11.27 | somiaj | Ragav: the tree connected displays I see are 'LVDS-0' 'DVI-0' and 'Display-Port1', it could be that what you have connencted isn't being called VGA-0 |
| 07:11.35 | ronkrt | I'm going to try a updated deb |
| 07:11.40 | anddam | I feelI should know that but I don't |
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| 07:11.54 | somiaj | ronkrt: you should use http.debian.net, it will direct you to a close mirror |
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| 07:12.57 | Lokke | anddam: maybe u can explain me what a remoteip is and a localip |
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| 07:13.21 | Lokke | i cant find a standart local ip on my server |
| 07:13.27 | Lokke | just a public IP |
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| 07:14.31 | cast | thank goodness for sysvinit still being installed! after upgrading to jessie, while booting fine a few times the latest systemd would just hang without error |
| 07:15.49 | vegardx | https://i.imgur.com/HFHIGM8.gif |
| 07:16.06 | nkuttler | cast: welcome to the future |
| 07:16.16 | Lokke | anddam: this is my ifconfig http://pastebin.com/7DVTtMcC |
| 07:16.45 | Lokke | sysctl -p |
| 07:16.45 | Lokke | net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1 |
| 07:16.45 | Lokke | net.ipv6.conf.all.forwarding = 1 |
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| 07:18.15 | Lokke | anddam: and my rc.local http://pastebin.com/NLAWiu6a |
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| 07:19.17 | Lokke | my local ip is set to "localip 192.168.1.5" |
| 07:19.24 | bezaban | Lokke: using a remote servers as a router is not a common setup and I am not sure what you are trying to accomplish with that. You should use your normal ISP router |
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| 07:19.57 | f31n | hi, i just figured out i can't connect to a ssh server with a certificate from gnome's filebrowser nautilus - or did i just miss something out? any suggestions for a better one? |
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| 07:20.15 | ronkrt | Ok I'm installing debian 8 |
| 07:20.19 | Ragav | somiaj: paste.debian.net/173026 :: In this you will find VGA-0 connected.. command used : xrandr --output VGA-0 --mode 1280x1024 --right-of LVDS-0 :: error : xrandr ; cannot find crtc for out VGA-0 |
| 07:20.22 | Lokke | bezaban: i dont have a "normal" ISP. |
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| 07:21.04 | Lokke | i am in a public WiFi |
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| 07:23.48 | Lokke | bezaban: i think u have the knowhow to help me ;) - did u figured out what i did wrong? |
| 07:23.56 | cast | nkuttler: not my damned future. am removing systemd right now |
| 07:24.05 | Lokke | or can u tell me wuch files i should check? |
| 07:24.10 | Lokke | wich* |
| 07:24.27 | bezaban | Lokke: you're setting up a VPN? YOu'd likely want one route that points your 'internal vpn' network via your VPS and default route over the tunnel |
| 07:24.32 | ronkrt | somiaj: do you know how too configure a desktop via remote to for X desktop? Debian 8 |
| 07:24.54 | bezaban | don't have time to go in details I'm afraid. I'll see if I can find a good openvpn howto |
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| 07:25.32 | Lokke | i wich to use pptpd - because it runs out of the box on all my devices |
| 07:25.42 | Lokke | smartphones and notebook |
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| 07:26.35 | bezaban | ah ok. not got any experience with that I'm afraid. |
| 07:26.36 | Lokke | i know its not the best secure but its easy to play with it (if i can get i to run)= |
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| 07:28.03 | Lokke | maybe the localip (wich i have set to "localip 192.168.1.5") should be the ip of my server? e.g 88.66.55.44? |
| 07:28.03 | Lokke | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:28.12 | Lokke | not 191.168.xx.xx? |
| 07:28.16 | Lokke | 192* |
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| 07:28.45 | Lokke | is that possible? |
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| 07:31.56 | somiaj | ronkrt: you can either use X11 forwarding over ssh or set up a vnc server |
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| 07:32.38 | Lokke | okay this did not work too |
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| 07:33.37 | anddam | nkuttler: "the Future, now with 100% hangs at boot more!" ? |
| 07:33.56 | anddam | Lokke: I'm afraid I cannot help |
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| 07:34.21 | Lokke | anddam: thanks for ur time ;) |
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| 07:37.37 | oo_miguel | Will any usb to rs232 (serial port) converter work under debian, or do I have to look for some specific (chipset?) when buying one? |
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| 07:38.11 | darxmurf | oo_miguel: I tried some differents and it was fine with all of them |
| 07:38.21 | darxmurf | and finally there is not that much choice |
| 07:38.22 | cast | 'any' is a bit vague, i don't think anyone can say yes to that. but like darxmurf, the ones i've tried worked |
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| 07:38.43 | oo_miguel | darxmurf: ok, thank you! |
| 07:38.51 | darxmurf | Windows is more picky in comparaison |
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| 07:39.42 | ChrisH | oo_miguel: From my experience most work. They either work out of the box, if not just get rid of that one. :) |
| 07:40.05 | oo_miguel | ChrisH: I prefer to buy one that will work out of the box :P |
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| 07:42.03 | ChrisH | oo_miguel: that is not easy, as HW vendors tend to change the HW inside without makeing a change to the product name. |
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| 07:44.17 | oo_miguel | ChrisH: I see. So there are no adapters with open source drivers for linux? |
| 07:44.20 | ChrisH | oo_miguel: All USB-serial adapter I bought did work out-of-the-box. So the chance is high. |
| 07:44.20 | ronkrt | somiaj: can you recommend how to do the x11 thing |
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| 07:45.01 | oo_miguel | ChrisH: good to know :) |
| 07:45.13 | ChrisH | oo_miguel: There is no driver thing in Linux. You have kernel modules which get loaded if the chip is known. Try to buy in a shop with your laptop at hand to check direct. |
| 07:45.55 | oo_miguel | ChrisH: yeah I meand "module", sorry. |
| 07:45.58 | oo_miguel | meant* |
| 07:46.34 | oo_miguel | ChrisH: I will follow your suggestion and test it before buying. As soon as it is recognized and a module is loaded Im fine, right? |
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| 07:47.39 | oo_miguel | at least, there will be a very high chance, that it will work :P . thank you very much for your help. |
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| 07:51.44 | ChrisH | oo_miguel: plug in, run dmesg and check for ttyUSB lines. |
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| 07:52.55 | ChrisH | oo_miguel: http://paste.debian.net/173039/ exmaple output, fresh generated |
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| 07:54.59 | angrycat | n |
| 07:55.01 | angrycat | Hello all. I need your help with fat32 systems. If file doestn feet cluster, how can I find the ndex cluster? |
| 07:55.30 | angrycat | *next |
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| 07:55.50 | ronkrt | Somiaj: http://paste.debian.net/173040/ |
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| 07:56.12 | ronkrt | Look good for Debian 8 |
| 07:56.16 | ronkrt | ? |
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| 07:57.11 | shay_shay | ronkrt: thats the defaults |
| 07:57.31 | ronkrt | Good |
| 07:57.45 | ronkrt | Now i hope these build |
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| 07:58.54 | shay_shay | heres mine https://gist.github.com/shawnbon206/a2ce07f04b9c0c33f58d |
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| 08:06.25 | ronkrt | Can i add something to adduser ronkrt ??? To ronkrt Sudo? |
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| 08:07.39 | Twinkletoes | For some unknown reason, one of my servers stops resonding on the network overnight... only a reboot will fix it (Wheezy). My network is VM-based, and other similar servers on the same netwotrk don't suffer this problem. I have to run ifdown/ifup on eth0 to kick it all back into life. What could be causing this? |
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| 08:12.05 | vegardx | Have you taken a look in syslog og dmesg to see what happens? |
| 08:12.07 | ronkrt | Wtf.. |
| 08:12.34 | ronkrt | I did adduser ronkrt sudo |
| 08:12.39 | ronkrt | Got this |
| 08:12.54 | Smither | ronkrt: usermod -a -G sudo ronkrt |
| 08:13.05 | Smither | to add EXISTING user ronkrt to group sudo |
| 08:13.24 | ronkrt | I'm trying create and add |
| 08:13.32 | ronkrt | But i got this |
| 08:13.42 | ronkrt | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/p5ThTb8m/Screenshot_2015-05-08-01-11-56.png |
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| 08:14.01 | Smither | then you need adduser -G sudo ronkrt |
| 08:14.17 | ronkrt | O ok |
| 08:14.21 | ronkrt | Ty |
| 08:14.50 | Twinkletoes | vegardx: Absolutely nothing of any use in syslog, messages or dmesg. Only a bunch of "mpt-statusd: detected non-optimal RAID status" messages |
| 08:15.28 | vegardx | Aha, you're running vmware? |
| 08:15.28 | ronkrt | Hmm |
| 08:15.38 | Twinkletoes | vegardx: Yes |
| 08:15.39 | ronkrt | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/gUFEJiGd/Screenshot_2015-05-08-01-15-23.png |
| 08:15.41 | ronkrt | That gave me |
| 08:15.47 | vegardx | Have you installed the tools? |
| 08:16.06 | Twinkletoes | vegardx: I thought I had, let me check |
| 08:16.06 | ronkrt | Its vmwre |
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| 08:16.11 | ronkrt | O |
| 08:16.30 | ronkrt | Sorry |
| 08:16.40 | ronkrt | This sucks |
| 08:17.41 | Twinkletoes | vegardx: It appears not silly me - I'llt yr now |
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| 08:17.57 | ronkrt | How can i fix those Perl warnings |
| 08:18.42 | Smither | ronkrt: use -G not -g |
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| 08:19.12 | ronkrt | Ah |
| 08:19.41 | Twinkletoes | vegardx: Sorry, update - yes they are installed, and vmtoolsd is running, akthough one of the processes [vmtoolsd] is <defunct> |
| 08:20.30 | ronkrt | How do i fix the perl warning |
| 08:21.02 | SPF | I'm looking for a one liner that executes the scripts that are found: find /etc/init.d -name DP-* -exec {} \; |
| 08:21.21 | nkuttler | ronkrt: install or dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 08:21.28 | ronkrt | Ok |
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| 08:22.33 | vegardx | Twinkletoes: Goodie, I'd see if that doens't help the issue. :) |
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| 08:29.53 | taxomoney | Hello! Does someone know if the cpu gets undervolted too if you use cpurequtils to lower the clock speed? |
| 08:29.57 | ronkrt | dpkg-reconfigure locales worked.. I just don't know which local to online guide. |
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| 08:34.23 | asterismo | hi people |
| 08:34.31 | asterismo | i need urgent help with this |
| 08:34.49 | asterismo | i'm using whoix which is based in debian |
| 08:35.04 | asterismo | and apt-get update throws this which i never seen |
| 08:35.49 | phy1729 | !based on debian |
| 08:35.49 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
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| 08:36.57 | asterismo | http://paste.debian.net/173067/ |
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| 08:39.00 | ChrisH | asterismo: Hint: If I simply paste the error message into google I see enough matches looking pretty helpful. |
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| 08:45.10 | ronkrt | Omfg |
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| 08:47.39 | asterismo | ChrisH: ok, will look into that |
| 08:47.56 | asterismo | but i mean, essentially says the system is corrupt... |
| 08:47.58 | asterismo | right? |
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| 08:48.16 | ronkrt | sudo apt-get install libboost-all-dev libdb5.1-dev libdb5.1++-dev gives me the following |
| 08:48.25 | ronkrt | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/0MvvviYG/Screenshot_2015-05-08-01-44-38.png |
| 08:48.44 | ronkrt | I'm getting sick of these pesky errors |
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| 08:49.13 | nkuttler | ronkrt: try paste.debian.net |
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| 08:49.48 | ronkrt | I'm doing this from a Android |
| 08:50.05 | nkuttler | huh? |
| 08:50.14 | ronkrt | It doesn't copy and properly |
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| 08:50.24 | vegardx | Are you sure the package even exists? |
| 08:50.29 | nkuttler | !nopaste |
| 08:50.29 | dpkg | nopaste is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install libapp-nopaste-perl; nopaste /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | nopaste". |
| 08:50.36 | ronkrt | Im ssh using JuiceSSH |
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| 08:52.02 | vegardx | ronkrt: You are on jessie? If so, you'll have to find a substitute package. |
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| 08:52.37 | ronkrt | Is 8 jessie |
| 08:52.37 | Smither | ronkrt: it still works, just pipe any command to pastebinit and you'll get a link. |
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| 08:53.27 | vegardx | ronkrt: 5.1 is removed from jessie, use 5.3. |
| 08:53.37 | ChrisH | ronkrt: doesn't the error say: use db5.1-util instead? (on my wheeyz-jessie updated box this package shows up as keept-back) |
| 08:53.40 | vegardx | https://packages.debian.org/jessie/libdb5.3 |
| 08:54.42 | ronkrt | I'm trying to compile something from github.. They say to just db5.1 |
| 08:55.02 | vegardx | Well, they probably didn't write the documents for jessie. |
| 08:55.16 | ronkrt | To just = to use |
| 08:55.38 | ronkrt | Will 5.3 work just like 5.1 |
| 08:55.47 | vegardx | Do you install Apache 2.2 just because the documents tells you so, even thought Apache 2.4 is stable? |
| 08:55.51 | vegardx | God knows. |
| 08:55.54 | vegardx | Probably not. |
| 08:56.34 | vegardx | It'll probably work, but don't expect the people who wrote that application to spend a lot of time debugging strange issues you might end up having. |
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| 08:57.16 | ronkrt | How can i get 5.1 with out apt-get |
| 08:57.51 | jelly | ,v libdb5.1-dev |
| 08:57.53 | judd | Package: libdb5.1-dev on amd64 -- wheezy: 5.1.29-5 |
| 08:58.11 | ronkrt | Debian 5? |
| 08:58.34 | jelly | ronkrt: wheezy is Debian 7, previous release. |
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| 08:58.39 | ronkrt | Oh |
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| 08:59.05 | rmrfchik | is there way to view "apt-cache policy" from within aptitude? |
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| 08:59.21 | rmrfchik | I want to see version/distribution |
| 08:59.46 | darxmurf | is there a way to do something like |
| 09:00.02 | darxmurf | if [ -e "/path/to/*/file" ]; then ... |
| 09:00.02 | darxmurf | ? |
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| 09:00.44 | rmrfchik | darxmurf: what's wrong with given command? |
| 09:00.53 | ChrisH | ,v db5.1-util |
| 09:00.54 | judd | Package: db5.1-util on amd64 -- wheezy: 5.1.29-5; stretch: 5.1.29-9; jessie: 5.1.29-9; sid: 5.1.29-9 |
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| 09:01.20 | jelly | ronkrt: just try the available version of BerkeleyDB first, and if that does not work, go back to 5.1 |
| 09:01.44 | darxmurf | rmrfchik: it's not working |
| 09:01.55 | darxmurf | if [ -e "/proc/driver/nvidia/gpus/*/information" ]; then echo "ok"; fi |
| 09:01.58 | darxmurf | returns nothing |
| 09:02.23 | darxmurf | I have to folders with those files in /proc/driver/nvidia/gpus/ |
| 09:02.28 | darxmurf | two |
| 09:02.31 | darxmurf | sorry |
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| 09:03.01 | nkuttler | darxmurf: try #bash |
| 09:03.09 | rmrfchik | ah, then you can either "find" the file like if `find ` or use zsh |
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| 09:03.18 | rmrfchik | zsh can expand "path/**/file" |
| 09:03.29 | rmrfchik | where ** will traverse among subdirs |
| 09:03.44 | ronkrt | Jelly.. I have |
| 09:03.45 | darxmurf | I can find | wc -l |
| 09:03.58 | darxmurf | will be fine too |
| 09:04.00 | darxmurf | thanks |
| 09:04.05 | ronkrt | I'm trying to compile a crypto wallet |
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| 09:07.14 | nkuttler | ronkrt: if they depend on specific libdb version you probably want to install an os that actually has those packages around, unless you want to risk your money |
| 09:07.41 | ronkrt | I'm installing wheezy |
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| 09:08.01 | nkuttler | ronkrt: or just install an spv wallet |
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| 09:08.20 | jelly | eh, BDB is backward compatible API-wise just not ABI-wise |
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| 09:09.34 | nkuttler | some people without backups have apparently lost magic internet money due to the abi instability .oO |
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| 09:13.39 | deicider | Hello, everyone. I have two problems after upgrading to Jessie. One is major, the other minor. |
| 09:14.00 | deicider | First is that my computer hangs after trying to powr it off |
| 09:14.31 | deicider | It just stucks turned on, the fan is working |
| 09:15.11 | nkuttler | deicider: which command did you use? poweroff? |
| 09:15.32 | deicider | it happened once after using poweroff |
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| 09:16.07 | deicider | but mostly it happens after I go with normal shutdown, I use XFCE |
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| 09:16.46 | deicider | so log out from the app menu, then shutdown |
| 09:16.56 | deicider | it hangs.. |
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| 09:18.09 | deicider | I searched a bit and found that it is related to command halt, which now doesn't completely turn the comp off. |
| 09:18.25 | nkuttler | deicider: right |
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| 09:19.45 | deicider | so will using ''systemctl poweroff'' solve the problem? |
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| 09:21.15 | deicider | The other minor problem is related to minitube. Since youtube is upgrading, I am unable to use it. And since this is stable version now, then no more upgrades of minitube... |
| 09:21.28 | nkuttler | deicider: well, it really depends on what caused it, but give it a try |
| 09:21.34 | Twinkletoes | Is there officical documentation about setting up a NIS server on Wheezy? |
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| 09:22.41 | deicider | nkuttler: Ok, I will use that command from now and if it hangs still, I'm afraid that I will have to go back to Wheezy untill the problem gets fixed. |
| 09:23.12 | cast | Twinkletoes: blast from the past, out of curiousity why NIS? [fraid I can't help with your question] |
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| 09:23.16 | ChrisH | Twinkletoes: I really love NIS, but even I start to stop all my NIS Server (some installation using NIS for 10+ years). Is there any reason to start with NIS these days? |
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| 09:24.02 | Twinkletoes | cast: Just a few machines, want to use NFS but need to make sure user/groups have the same UIDs across systems, or use NIS |
| 09:24.21 | deicider | nkuttler: And i think incompatibility of SysV and Systemd scripts caused it. Never had any problems while using Wheezy. |
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| 09:24.36 | cast | NFSv4 handles the non-matching UIDs doesn't it? |
| 09:24.44 | Twinkletoes | cast: ChrisH: My main server is running Webmin/Virtualmin, and I'm not sure I might break everything trying to play with ldap |
| 09:24.46 | smokeysea | I am getting error reading block short read errors on lvm partition |
| 09:24.54 | cast | but i guess if you're talking NIS...maybe the stuff isn't that new! |
| 09:24.56 | smokeysea | smart check self test also failed |
| 09:25.05 | ChrisH | Twinkletoes: http://www.linux-nis.org/doc/nis.debian.howto looks fine to me. |
| 09:25.06 | smokeysea | can anyone suggest some steps to recover |
| 09:25.09 | smokeysea | ? |
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| 09:25.49 | Twinkletoes | ChrisH: Ah, I looked at that - looked a bit old, I'll work through it - thank you |
| 09:26.00 | ChrisH | cast: NFSv4 ... a greeting from hell. I never saw it running as smooth and stable as NFSv3 |
| 09:26.11 | ChrisH | Twinkletoes: well, NIS is old and stable. |
| 09:26.12 | Brigo | smokeysea, could you paste more data in paste.debian.net? |
| 09:26.33 | SynrG | smokeysea: assuming this means your drive is dying, replace the drive and restore from backup |
| 09:26.40 | SynrG | and yes, give us some output |
| 09:27.09 | smokeysea | Brigo: SynrG: sure |
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| 09:28.17 | cast | ChrisH: looks great on paper, but i've had the same experience, not sure if it was a result people not wanting to spend the time to learn something new, or the implementations being less mature. |
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| 09:29.42 | ChrisH | cast: I saw it on many different production systems (running Solaris and others) and most of them went back to NFSv3 due to unexpected and unpredictible and ungly things happend now and then. |
| 09:31.49 | mviera | Hi. Maybe my question is a little bit silly but, how can I resize a partition in Debian Jessie? 'resize' command has been removed in parted 3.0. I tried cfdisk without success. It's server without X. I'm in AWS. I did a snapshot of my disk and createad a new volume. I can see the new size but resize2fs does nothing. Thanks in advance. |
| 09:32.45 | SynrG | you're confusing two things. |
| 09:32.53 | SynrG | "resize a partition" and "resize a filesystem" |
| 09:33.07 | SynrG | partitions are not filesystems |
| 09:33.20 | SynrG | when you say "does nothing", what happens? |
| 09:34.17 | mviera | SynrG, resize2fs /dev/xvda1 > "The filesystem is already 2096128 (4k) blocks long. Nothing to do!" |
| 09:34.57 | mviera | SynrG, but «df -h» shows 8G of total size |
| 09:35.18 | SynrG | umm ... |
| 09:35.34 | jelly | mviera: does the kernel see new partition size (cat /proc/partitions)? You may have to do a reboot for the kernel to see updates. Theoretically partprobe ought to help there, but it never did for me |
| 09:36.04 | SynrG | just so, "resize2fs /dev/svda1" with no parameters? is the partition bigger than the filesystem on it? |
| 09:36.28 | SynrG | if the filesystem and partition are the same size yes, there is nothing to do |
| 09:36.48 | mviera | SynrG, jelly # cat /proc/partitions |
| 09:36.48 | mviera | major minor #blocks name |
| 09:36.49 | mviera | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:36.49 | mviera | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:37.30 | SynrG | if you had intended to grow the filesystem to the size of the partition, you need to make the partition larger than the filesystem. |
| 09:37.33 | mviera | SynrG, jelly http://paste.debian.net/173077/ |
| 09:37.53 | jelly | mviera: well that looks like 8GiB-ish to me |
| 09:38.00 | SynrG | yep. looks right to me |
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| 09:38.34 | mviera | jelly, SynrG but, what I want to do is to resize xvda1 up to 20G |
| 09:38.46 | jelly | mviera: what about sfdisk -d /dev/xvda |
| 09:39.28 | SynrG | i would use gparted for this |
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| 09:39.39 | SynrG | it both grows the partition and the filesystem on it |
| 09:40.15 | jelly | and it requires working X and nothing using the disk at resize time |
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| 09:40.58 | SynrG | alternatively, parted can do the same thing if you're comfortable with its text ui |
| 09:41.05 | SynrG | bit of a learning curve |
| 09:41.07 | mviera | SynrG, jelly yep, but its a server, I don't want to install a whole X server only for a resize... |
| 09:41.12 | SynrG | you don't need to |
| 09:41.16 | SynrG | it can be done in parted |
| 09:41.56 | mviera | SynrG, I tried parted, but I only tried 'resize' command which has disappeared. |
| 09:42.03 | jelly | waits for sfdisk output |
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| 09:42.35 | mviera | jelly, http://paste.debian.net/173078/ |
| 09:43.03 | SynrG | umm? |
| 09:43.10 | SynrG | i see 'resizepart' in my version ... |
| 09:43.13 | mviera | SynrG, omg, yes |
| 09:43.15 | SynrG | what's the problem? |
| 09:43.22 | jelly | mviera: so you don't seem to have done anything with cfdisk really |
| 09:43.26 | mviera | SynrG, didn't realised |
| 09:43.48 | jelly | the partition table really still has first partition at 8G |
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| 09:44.03 | SynrG | yep |
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| 09:44.41 | SynrG | mviera: so just to confirm, this is an *unmounted* filesystem, right? |
| 09:45.37 | jelly | hard to umount / |
| 09:46.21 | mviera | SynrG, jelly just solved. I did a 'resizepart' with parted. After that a resize2fs and it worked. |
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| 09:47.03 | mviera | jelly++ |
| 09:47.06 | mviera | SynrG++ |
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| 09:47.25 | mviera | jelly, SynrG Thanks! :-) |
| 09:49.48 | SynrG | np |
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| 09:50.31 | smokeysea | Brigo: SynrG: paste.debian.net/173079 |
| 09:51.00 | z8z | debian has any json editing application in the repository? i couldn't find any |
| 09:51.16 | SynrG | jelly: oh. i read resize2fs man page and it says it can expand while mounted. this is news to me. |
| 09:51.27 | vegardx | z8z: https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=jq |
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| 09:52.25 | z8z | vegardx: thanks...i will try it |
| 09:52.47 | Brigo | smokeysea, it dosen't look very well. Try badblocks (man badblocks) |
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| 09:52.59 | smokeysea | SynrG: http://paste.debian.net/173079 these are showing while doing fsck -y |
| 09:53.05 | smokeysea | Brigo: ok |
| 09:53.32 | z8z | vegardx: any which also has a GUI? |
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| 09:53.47 | SynrG | smokeysea: of course for every short read that you force rewrite you're trashing the data in this block |
| 09:54.11 | SynrG | but if the disk is dying anyway, you may have no other option :/ |
| 09:54.41 | SynrG | smokeysea: you asked about "recovering". there really is no recovery for a disk in this bad shape ... |
| 09:54.56 | SynrG | you replace the drive and restore from backup |
| 09:54.58 | jelly | SynrG: in fact online resize is the preferred, more used method |
| 09:55.09 | SynrG | jelly: yep. have been re-edumacated :) |
| 09:57.55 | SynrG | smokeysea: with a drive in the process of dying for which i have no backup, i would *stop using the drive immediately* ... anything further you do with it will just make it worse. recovery of data from the drive is going to be iffy ... you might be able to somehow get a whole image of the drive with ddrescue or something, if you have some place to put it ... |
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| 09:58.18 | SynrG | or if it is really super important data on the drive, there are companies that do (expensive) data recovery |
| 09:58.33 | SynrG | they have tools at their disposal you probably don't have. |
| 09:59.11 | SynrG | so ultimately it comes down to what i've been repeating from the beginning. you replace the drive and restore from backup. that's your best option |
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| 10:24.01 | julius__ | hey |
| 10:24.16 | julius__ | whats the default time for a usb drive to go to sleep on debian if it isnt mounted? |
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| 10:25.03 | SynrG | julius__: don't know without looking it up. what end-user problem are you trying to solve? |
| 10:25.38 | vali | hi |
| 10:25.59 | vali | I have some dependency issues on a meta-package |
| 10:26.13 | vali | I packed some binaries that depends on some perl modules |
| 10:26.22 | vali | All the required perl modules are installed |
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| 10:26.32 | vali | but still the meta package complains about them |
| 10:26.33 | vali | any idea? |
| 10:26.57 | SynrG | specifics, please. paste.debian.net |
| 10:27.16 | SynrG | what command? what's the full output of the command? what supporting commands show you have the dependencies installed? |
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| 10:29.08 | vali | SynrG: http://pastie.org/private/aje7lmad2qpkgobx9i8noa |
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| 10:30.28 | SynrG | vali: please note that if you used perl's own package management to install the dependencies, apt doesn't know about it |
| 10:31.06 | SynrG | so, for example, if you 'dpkg -l libany-moose-perl' i suspect you'll find it is not installed. |
| 10:31.16 | SynrG | that's what apt claims, anyway |
| 10:31.58 | SynrG | are you using cpan to install all those deps? |
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| 10:32.22 | smokeysea | Brigo: SynrG: http://paste.debian.net/173109 |
| 10:33.17 | SynrG | smokeysea: i don't see how providing us with more output helps here. i've given my answer. what else are you trying to learn? |
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| 10:34.26 | smokeysea | SynrG: I am curious to know if this is some sw problem or disk has gone really bad. |
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| 10:35.05 | SynrG | smokeysea: at the very beginning you said that SMART showed errors. that's pretty damning evidence that the disk has gone bad. |
| 10:35.15 | jelly | smokeysea: it's unlikely a software problem would make the drive's firmware fail smart checks |
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| 10:35.30 | smokeysea | ooh! |
| 10:35.46 | smokeysea | SynrG: thanks for the help |
| 10:35.49 | SynrG | np |
| 10:35.55 | smokeysea | jelly: thanks |
| 10:36.17 | Che-Anarc | if I perform "dist-upgrade," from 7.8 will it upgrade to 8 ? |
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| 10:36.38 | SynrG | not without first making (or verifying) sources.list changes |
| 10:36.54 | SynrG | dpkg: wheezy->jessie |
| 10:36.55 | dpkg | Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> http://deb.li/ldcj . In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "wheezy" to "jessie". apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. 3rd party repos like <dmo> are known to cause problems with the upgrade. See also <jessie sysvinit>. |
| 10:37.09 | vali | SynrG: I use system packages to manage those modules |
| 10:37.15 | SynrG | Che-Anarc: what is your wish, to upgrade or to ensure it won't upgrade yet? |
| 10:37.16 | vali | It seems that some of them are not installed |
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| 10:37.40 | SynrG | vali: perform the command i asked for, please. |
| 10:38.25 | Che-Anarc | SynrG good to know both - at present I'd wish to stay on latest 7.x - I'd also expect upgrade functionality to respect that as its doing :-) |
| 10:38.26 | lord_rob | hi! I'd like to record my voice like a dictaphone which software should I use? |
| 10:38.51 | vali | SynrG: http://pastie.org/private/xidyv1qrjiwxicgvwctbeq |
| 10:38.55 | SynrG | Che-Anarc: if you have 'wheezy' in your sources.list (not 'stable') then a dist-upgrade will *not* upgrade you |
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| 10:39.22 | jelly | Che-Anarc: not to worry, the dist-upgrade command has nothing to do with upgrading the whole distro to the next release. |
| 10:39.47 | SynrG | vali: as i suspected, you don't have this dependency installed. how did you install the metapackage, then, with dpkg -i? |
| 10:40.02 | SynrG | s/then,/then:/ |
| 10:40.05 | Che-Anarc | SynrG & jelly thanks for the info. |
| 10:40.10 | vali | SynrG: yes |
| 10:40.24 | SynrG | vali: a more fully automated way is to use gdebi |
| 10:40.43 | SynrG | but otherwise, you just do what apt tells you to do |
| 10:40.57 | SynrG | You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these. |
| 10:40.58 | SynrG | ^^ |
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| 10:41.22 | SynrG | vali: provided all of those deps are satisfiable from your apt sources, apt-get -f install will install them |
| 10:41.30 | SynrG | whereas 'apt-get upgrade' will not |
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| 10:42.05 | SynrG | vali: gdebi can be used to install a deb *and* satisfy its dependencies in one step |
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| 10:42.36 | SynrG | of course, best practice is to have an apt repository providing the metapackage so you can do upgrades from that instead of manually installing with dpkg or gdebi |
| 10:43.14 | SynrG | be careful with third party repositories, though. you need to be certain it is an appropriate repo for your debian release, that you trust the signing key, etc. |
| 10:43.56 | SynrG | where did the metapackage come from? someone else, or is that something you made yourself? |
| 10:45.22 | SynrG | vali: what is your end-user goal for installing this metapackage? what are you trying to accomplish today? |
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| 10:46.14 | brokencycle | morning! |
| 10:48.07 | brokencycle | I have just installed a Jessie/amd64 system in UEFI mode on top of two RAID1 parts: one for /boot, and one for LUKS with LVM on top of that, containing basically / , swap and /srv as LVs. |
| 10:49.02 | brokencycle | I booted the machine (i7 cpu) like half an hour ago, and it went as far as starting fsck, saying |
| 10:49.13 | brokencycle | /dev/mapper/...-root: clean, ... |
| 10:49.42 | brokencycle | and has been sitting there ever since while the disk is shaking its heads like crazy. |
| 10:50.04 | SynrG | performing fsck still |
| 10:50.12 | SynrG | it only *looks* like it's doing nothing |
| 10:50.17 | SynrG | there's no spinner by default |
| 10:50.35 | brokencycle | It used to be that fsck wrote something like a progress bar. |
| 10:50.48 | SynrG | if it's a very big disk, it can take a very long time. i have a 3T disk that takes longer than a half hour |
| 10:51.00 | brokencycle | It's ~2TB |
| 10:51.12 | SynrG | yep. so just wait |
| 10:51.33 | brokencycle | The partition is empty. Also, I still expect fsck to write a progress bar. |
| 10:51.42 | bstarek | no kidding I have had a 1.5Tera taking more than 24hrs to fsck, no joke at all |
| 10:51.45 | rozie | brokencycle: what FS? |
| 10:51.51 | brokencycle | ext4 |
| 10:52.13 | rozie | it should scan only used space then |
| 10:52.41 | brokencycle | yes, I expect an empty partition to fsck in no time. |
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| 10:53.04 | bstarek | empty partition? did you initialise raid? |
| 10:53.06 | vali | SynrG: fixed it |
| 10:53.11 | bstarek | initiliase disk i meant |
| 10:53.11 | vali | SynrG: thank you for the help |
| 10:53.30 | jelly | brokencycle: the progress bar thing is optional, see -C |
| 10:53.32 | brokencycle | bstarek: I created the RAID in degraded mode, as I am waiting for the second disk. |
| 10:53.59 | brokencycle | jelly: it used to be standard, at least on wheezy |
| 10:54.10 | jelly | not really |
| 10:54.12 | brokencycle | ? |
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| 10:54.16 | zepard | hi |
| 10:54.44 | bstarek | brokencycle, just be a little patient i guess |
| 10:54.49 | jelly | brokencycle: you many have seen it at boot time, because those scripts explicitely used -C |
| 10:55.35 | jelly | but /sbin/fsck does not do it by default |
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| 10:55.39 | brokencycle | jelly: I am just waiting for the machine to come up with a login prompt after the first reboot |
| 10:56.12 | jelly | brokencycle: oh, I thought you were talking about fsck tool. |
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| 10:56.34 | brokencycle | iow, something seems to have changed. |
| 10:56.44 | brokencycle | eg. no -C anymore |
| 10:56.49 | brokencycle | in boot scripts |
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| 11:03.58 | Twinkletoes | (re-posting as I think I lost connection): I've just set up NIS and can do 'ypcat passwd' and 'ypcat shadow.byname' as root, on the NIS client to confirm I'm seeing the master's maps. However, trying to login via ssh as a NIS user, I always get "Failed password" in auth.log. Is there anything I'm missing? |
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| 11:05.21 | julius__ | SynrG, the external casing is blinking from time to time, but its just external data that is not mounted according to nautilus |
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| 11:06.55 | zepard | strange, I find lots of examples and tutorials about docker.io using ubuntu, but the containers I found in registry are all debian based |
| 11:07.14 | zepard | as base a mean (usin FROM) |
| 11:07.26 | lord_rob | I'm looking for a program that would record my voice like skype but only for me. Does that exist? |
| 11:07.44 | zepard | yes |
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| 11:08.16 | zepard | lord_rob: audacity does that |
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| 11:12.57 | stf | How can I fix the problem, that I have no mouse curser if the ati fglrx driver is activ |
| 11:12.59 | stf | ? |
| 11:13.39 | stf | I am using Jessie on a laptop with a HD6650m |
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| 11:14.48 | stf | If I selecting the intel cpu in the catalyst control center I get my mouse curser back |
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| 11:24.00 | cast | Starduster: you could run 2 copies of xeyes, from that you'll be able to deduce the location of the cursor |
| 11:24.06 | cast | stf, sorry. |
| 11:24.27 | stf | ^^ |
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| 11:24.44 | stf | I can also push the strg twice |
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| 11:31.38 | stf | it is a little frustrating right, because I am seem to be to stupid to install the driver from amd.de and I also tried to fix this by nearly any solution I could found in the web |
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| 11:33.47 | k0d3r | I have a testing installation ("jessie") will it become "stretch" on the next dist-upgrade? |
| 11:34.08 | bezaban | k0d3r: depends on what your sources.list says. Right now jessie is stable |
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| 11:34.25 | bezaban | /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 11:34.54 | brokencycle | The disk activity stopped for several minutes, and I decided to reboot. On reboot, the |
| 11:35.24 | brokencycle | machine said something about a clean ...-root, and then just sits there, with no further disk activity. |
| 11:35.28 | k0d3r | the sources.list says "jessie" everywhere |
| 11:35.31 | brokencycle | Any idea about how to debug this? |
| 11:35.43 | bezaban | k0d3r: then you will stay on jessie (current stable) until you change that |
| 11:35.46 | fireba11 | k0d3r: then it will stay on jessie. you could put testing there if you want that |
| 11:36.03 | bezaban | I would advices against putting stable/testing/unstable in sources.list |
| 11:36.06 | bezaban | advise* |
| 11:36.23 | k0d3r | bezaban, why? |
| 11:36.28 | bezaban | but that's my personal preference |
| 11:36.43 | bezaban | I have had some untimely upgrades and I like to explicitly select when to move to next version |
| 11:36.54 | fireba11 | bezaban: true. you don't want a system to dist-upgrade after a release |
| 11:36.56 | bezaban | like after a few weeks when potential upgrade bugs have been rooted out |
| 11:37.16 | fireba11 | also you might want to do some backups first :-D |
| 11:37.33 | fireba11 | and depending on what the system does notify users of downtime etc |
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| 11:38.18 | ronkrt | It's this something that i have to or don't work in Debian? apt-add-repository ? |
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| 11:38.43 | bezaban | and perhaps particularily with testing, since you're moving from something that has been polished for many months to something they're just starting working on |
| 11:38.50 | bezaban | they've* |
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| 11:40.25 | k0d3r | bezaban, thanks for the advice |
| 11:40.53 | bezaban | k0d3r: np. You're of course free to take any approach you like :) |
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| 11:41.28 | k0d3r | I have the old "testing" on my home and my office |
| 11:41.44 | k0d3r | I think I will upgrade on my home and see if any smoke appears.. |
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| 11:42.03 | bezaban | if you were running old 'testing' aka jessie, you are now running stable |
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| 11:42.58 | bezaban | assuming you've upgraded recently. |
| 11:44.10 | k0d3r | here (https://www.debian.org/releases/testing/) they said that testing does not get security updates on a "timely manner" and encouraged to switch your sources.list entries from testing to jessie |
| 11:44.46 | k0d3r | wouldn't it cause some conflicts? |
| 11:45.00 | fireba11 | k0d3r: untill recently testing and jessie was the same |
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| 11:45.36 | bezaban | they're saying use jessie if you want timely security updates, if not use stretch |
| 11:46.22 | k0d3r | I understand |
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| 11:47.07 | bezaban | I usually stay on stable, but upgrade to testing on private laptop/desktop if there is anything I require from there |
| 11:47.14 | bezaban | work is always stable |
| 11:47.38 | bezaban | still on wheezy (oldstable) at home, but run debootstrapped jessie in schroot |
| 11:47.59 | bezaban | will probably upgrade tomorrow when I set off some time |
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| 11:49.15 | fireba11 | is using lvm snapshots a good idea for upgrades on critical systems so i can roll back? |
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| 11:50.14 | k0d3r | That's also my approach, but sometimes I get some new features on my laptop and I cannot wait it make to stable, so.. I end up upgrading to testing |
| 11:51.26 | bezaban | yeah |
| 11:52.16 | bezaban | fireba11: never really used them, usually take snapshots of entire machines |
| 11:52.45 | bezaban | that assumes VMs though |
| 11:52.57 | k0d3r | ok, so I will just s/jessie/stretch my sources.list and see what I get :) |
| 11:52.57 | bezaban | but I've been meaning to look into it |
| 11:53.43 | bezaban | home I also boot off the network and image the entire drive for non-vms |
| 11:53.51 | bezaban | but that's a rare occasion |
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| 11:58.27 | fireba11 | bezaban: i'm using both vm snapshots and complete images too, but some production servers here at work are physical boxes and getting an image of a couple hundred GB would cause quite a long downtime |
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| 11:58.58 | bezaban | fireba11: yeah, I have a few of those too, they make me cry |
| 11:59.26 | fireba11 | lol |
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| 11:59.47 | fireba11 | updated my monitoring server here and my private server and nas to jessie already |
| 12:00.13 | fireba11 | but for the webserver here a snapshot would be nice .. moving from apache 2.2 to 2.4 will cause some problems |
| 12:00.29 | bezaban | but considering everything was physical not long ago |
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| 12:00.43 | bezaban | it's not too bad to manage a few |
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| 12:03.39 | fireba11 | bezaban: got abou 120 VMs here but only for our development environments ... |
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| 12:17.10 | ra73 | How to make debian connect to the network? If I connect up the cable after the boot has finished it simply says "NIC link is up" but dhclient doesnt actually run? |
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| 12:18.46 | fireba11 | ra73: it's supposed to though |
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| 12:20.30 | SynrG | ra73: let's see your /etc/network/interfaces at paste.debian.net, please |
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| 12:22.32 | ra73 | fireba11: huh it ran after a few mins syslog: paste.debian.net/hidden/8d6e5eab |
| 12:22.43 | ra73 | SynrG: its the default: allow hotplug inet dhcp |
| 12:24.14 | ra73 | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/8d6e5eab/ <--- clickable link |
| 12:26.48 | ra73 | Any idea why dhclient runs even tho the link is down/doesnt run as soon as it goes up? |
| 12:29.18 | mviera | Hi all, I'm not sure if this question is for this channel. Why Debian Wheezy 64bit AMI is not available in AWS Marketplace already? However there is a Debian Wheezy 32bit AMI available... |
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| 12:29.39 | abrotman | would think that'd be a question for AWS people? |
| 12:30.05 | SynrG | ra73: it does run at 15:08 ⦠|
| 12:30.15 | pablo_ | hrllo guys, deborphan is not working fine. Does anyone knows an alternative or if it is being mantained? |
| 12:30.22 | mviera | abrotman, Debian AMIs are maintained by Debian, Am I wrong? |
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| 12:31.48 | ra73 | SynrG: yea but at 15:08 the link is down, it comes up at 15:12, doesnt dhclient check if a link is available first? |
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| 12:31.58 | SynrG | Don't think so |
| 12:32.20 | SynrG | It uses incremental backoff too |
| 12:32.34 | SynrG | Hence the delay even after link up |
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| 12:32.56 | ledestin | what's the current status with mounting /usr from initrd? |
| 12:33.12 | ledestin | doable? |
| 12:34.23 | SynrG | ra73: you could tune dhclient to help it retry longer and/or faster |
| 12:34.38 | SynrG | Could help it cone up quicker |
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| 12:35.04 | SynrG | Come* |
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| 12:45.52 | pablo_ | does anyone uses deborphan or something similar? |
| 12:46.38 | ShadowKatStudios | sounds like an illegal substance |
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| 12:48.20 | pablo_ | lol |
| 12:49.27 | pablo_ | does anyone know how to list the leaf packages? I mean the ones that do not depend on any other package |
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| 12:53.20 | nkuttler | pablo_: sounds like something that autoremove combined with a list of manually installed packages could do |
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| 12:55.57 | pablo_ | nkuttler: not the solution I was looking for |
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| 13:02.53 | JohnnyJolokia | Hello, is it a good idea to install an 25MB-sized hosts-file to block ads on a raspberry pi? |
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| 13:03.46 | vandox | well, keeping up to date could become a problem |
| 13:04.16 | JohnnyJolokia | I mean ads make the browsing-experience quite slow, but wouldn't a blocking-list that large and the lookups therefore be probably slower than dealing with some ads? |
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| 13:04.53 | kroko | Hi! After upgrading from Wheezy to Jessie, Iceweasel displays fonts for some sites non-antialiased, any idea how to fix this? |
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| 13:09.45 | oMega_2093 | I'm actually interested in what JohnnyJolokia is asking about the hosts file and a Raspberry, and would like to read some opinions as well :) |
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| 13:18.12 | usuario | hello good morning |
| 13:18.18 | usuario | somebody can help me with a problem |
| 13:18.33 | usuario | i installed a debian server 8.0 all correct |
| 13:18.39 | usuario | but when i connect the wire |
| 13:18.44 | usuario | it doesnt recognise |
| 13:18.48 | usuario | somebody got any idea?? |
| 13:18.58 | rozie | which wire? |
| 13:19.16 | usuario | network wire |
| 13:19.18 | rozie | and what/who does not recognise what/who? |
| 13:19.27 | rozie | probably firmware missing |
| 13:19.35 | usuario | any idea for updating firmware?? |
| 13:19.42 | rozie | !firmware |
| 13:19.42 | dpkg | Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
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| 13:20.18 | usuario | the problem is that i ont got access on internet on that server |
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| 13:20.40 | Brigo | usuario, use a usb stick |
| 13:20.52 | rozie | or floppy ;) |
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| 13:21.53 | usuario | what package is the correct for debian 8.0??? |
| 13:22.06 | usuario | firmware package |
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| 13:22.29 | rozie | depends on hardware... |
| 13:22.51 | rozie | lspci output should help |
| 13:22.53 | usuario | o.o |
| 13:22.56 | usuario | p.p |
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| 13:23.34 | usuario | im downloading firmware.tar.gz and try |
| 13:23.39 | usuario | thanks for help |
| 13:23.43 | rozie | no no no |
| 13:23.45 | rozie | install deb |
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| 13:24.46 | usuario | what deb |
| 13:24.50 | usuario | sry for noobish |
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| 13:26.31 | ChrisH | usuario: without lshw -short ; lspci ; and dmesg output it is difficult to say. can you get that data via eg. USB Stick? |
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| 13:33.15 | ChrisH | JohnnyJolokia,oMega_2093 I would first try privoxy before starting with such a 25MB file. |
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| 13:40.34 | shay_shay | does anybody know what would cause fonts to do this? http://i.imgur.com/cXqZw3H.png http://dpaste.com/0RWPAH6 |
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| 13:41.39 | ChrisH | shay_shay: missing font files? Did you upgrade from Wheezy and changed to a UTF8 based setup? |
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| 13:41.58 | shay_shay | ChrisH: how are they listed if they are missing? |
| 13:42.05 | shay_shay | the cache is up to date |
| 13:42.11 | themill | funky |
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| 13:43.13 | themill | shay_shay: the locale output isn't right, but it shouldn't have that effect |
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| 13:44.52 | shay_shay | i cant get powerline to work because of this, it's the powerline from the debian archive... but i dont think this issue is isolated to this |
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| 13:45.08 | shay_shay | its just until now i wasnt bothered by it |
| 13:46.10 | shay_shay | themill: how can i improve my locale output? i selected en_UD.UTF-8 in the dpkg-reconfigure dialog |
| 13:46.23 | shay_shay | s/UD/US |
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| 13:48.05 | themill | shay_shay: the UTF-8 part is incorrect in that output. Something is setting that wrongly -- that's the encoding part but I wouldn't have thought that would be the issue here |
| 13:51.22 | darxmurf | have a good week-end folks |
| 13:52.23 | shay_shay | themill: http://dpaste.com/3772E31 |
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| 13:53.08 | shay_shay | https://help.gnome.org/admin/system-admin-guide/stable/session-user.html.en |
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| 13:57.49 | AndChat|65844 | Hi |
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| 13:58.51 | shay_shay | ugh |
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| 14:22.43 | martin_ | On jessie I have to manually load pcc_cpufreq to get cpu frequency scaling to work. This happeneded automatically on ubuntu 14.04, with older kernel, 3.13. Anyone know why this is the case? Took some time to figure out.. |
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| 14:24.28 | SynrG | Which processor? |
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| 14:24.49 | martin_ | xeon E3-1220L V2 |
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| 14:28.09 | martin_ | I think pcc_cpufreq might be specific to HP servers |
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| 14:31.01 | karlpinc | martin_: I see a couple of bugs like this on the web that look like they are a problem in the kernel itself. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1079900 and especially https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1061126 It may be that using a backported kernel will solve the problem for you. Dunno. |
| 14:31.17 | pl | Hi. I think I screwed up a brand new Jessie system. I tried to install systemd-cron, not liked it, tried to remove it but dpkg fails with this error: Failed to get D-Bus connection: No such file or directory |
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| 14:31.43 | karlpinc | martin_: You could also file a bug report and see if debian will backport the patch for you into Jessie.... |
| 14:31.44 | SynrG | martin_: is it enabled in the bios? |
| 14:31.49 | pl | Indeed dbus is not running, but if I try "systemctl start dbus" I get "Failed to get D-Bus connection: No such file or directory" |
| 14:32.19 | SynrG | The kernel doc says it will silently fail to load if it is disabled in BIOS |
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| 14:32.21 | pl | Same with the good, old /etc/init.d/dbus start |
| 14:32.27 | pl | any hint? |
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| 14:33.00 | karlpinc | pl: Look in the logs and possibly dmesg output for more detail and see if that does not help? |
| 14:33.01 | SynrG | martin_: https://github.com/atomic-penguin/linux/blob/master/Documentation/cpu-freq/pcc-cpufreq.txt |
| 14:33.02 | martin_ | karlpinc: yes. Seems it's a kernel bug of some sort, I think it should fall back to pcc-cpufreq if acpi_cpufreq doesn't load |
| 14:33.29 | pl | karlpinc, nothing useful in the dmesg |
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| 14:34.40 | SynrG | I didn't review the links above. My search showed only rather old bugs relating to much earlier Ubuntu kernels, nothing recent or Debian |
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| 14:35.14 | SynrG | So i have my doubts about a newer kernel fixing it |
| 14:36.56 | martin_ | SynrG: the changelog for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1061126 mentions CONFIG_X86_PCC_CPUFREQ=y, while it's CONFIG_X86_PCC_CPUFREQ=m on jessie |
| 14:37.31 | SynrG | So it is forced to be there. Sounds questionable |
| 14:38.16 | martin_ | better than not loading anything at all |
| 14:38.21 | juliofreitas | Hi! How to install ruby2.0 at Debian 7 |
| 14:38.32 | SynrG | Did you benchmark it to see if requesting a frequency change is actually honored? |
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| 14:38.48 | SynrG | I've known some scaling modules to lie. |
| 14:39.35 | SynrG | No, it's not better, if the module is useless to most platforms. |
| 14:39.43 | martin_ | SynrG: cpufrequtils reports that it's scaling down and /proc/cpuinfo shows a lower frequency |
| 14:40.09 | SynrG | That's the kind of thing i saw with scaling modules that lied. |
| 14:40.17 | martin_ | SynrG: but BIOS settings might affect this, as mentioned in the docs you linked |
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| 14:40.34 | SynrG | On such platforms only benchmarking reveals the lie. |
| 14:40.42 | SynrG | Yep |
| 14:40.53 | SynrG | So check that |
| 14:42.03 | SynrG | Both check the BIOS and run a benchmark, I mean. |
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| 14:46.04 | martin_ | yup |
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| 14:52.25 | martin_ | SynrG: https://github.com/torvalds/linux/commit/7e7e8fe69820c6fa31395dbbd8e348e3c69cd2a9 looks relevant |
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| 14:52.47 | martin_ | looks like it was added in 3.19 |
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| 15:06.16 | SynrG | martin_: interesting. So yes, i guess you wait for a Jessie backport |
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| 15:07.23 | SynrG | Or else if the patch gets backported to the Jessie kernel ⦠|
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| 15:07.50 | SynrG | But it doesn't sound like a strong candidate for the effort, since there is a workaround. |
| 15:07.58 | omfgtora | i was told to come here from ##linux >.< i have broken packages problems |
| 15:08.10 | somiaj | I have had heard of people having success installing 3.18 or 3.19 kernel from snapshot.debian.org on jessie, as I belive jessie meets the depends. But I would wait for a backport if you can. |
| 15:08.17 | somiaj | omfgtora: what distro do you run? |
| 15:08.34 | omfgtora | i'm on linuxmint 17.1 (ubuntu 14.04) here is my error when i tried to reinstall pythgon 2.7: http://i.imgur.com/torDLYt.png |
| 15:08.36 | somiaj | omfgtora: and what version of debian, and what is the output of 'apt-cache policy' and 'apt-get -f install' |
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| 15:08.45 | somiaj | omfgtora: this is the wrong place for mint or ubuntu |
| 15:08.47 | somiaj | !mint |
| 15:08.47 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
| 15:09.11 | omfgtora | ah i see |
| 15:09.15 | omfgtora | ok, thanks |
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| 15:43.27 | matthiaskrgr | \o/ |
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| 15:43.46 | matthiaskrgr | was that also automatic? |
| 15:43.49 | matthiaskrgr | or did someone do it? |
| 15:44.02 | ponky | looks like it was automated |
| 15:44.04 | PlasmaStar | Automatic. Enjoy. |
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| 16:29.04 | bbonifield | I am running into an issue when I try to apt-get update related to invalid indexes - any advice would be greatly appreciated. - W: Conflicting distribution: http://packages.dotdeb.org stable InRelease (expected stable but got jessie) |
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| 16:31.22 | somiaj | bbonifield: those are thrid party sources, and dotdeb doesn't always make the best of sources or packages and can cause problems. |
| 16:31.53 | jelly | bbonifield: in general, avoid using "stable" in sources.list -- use a specific release codename |
| 16:31.55 | somiaj | bbonifield: the second soruce is jst a 404, that means that server is not available. |
| 16:32.12 | somiaj | yea looks like they changed their link to point to jessie now isntead of wheezy |
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| 16:39.27 | cwong2012 | does this look right? uuencode file.csv | mailx -s "subject" email@domain.com <-- how long does uuencode suppose to take? |
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| 16:41.43 | greycat | cwong2012: I would strongly suggest you use heirloom-mailx, or mutt, or nail, which can create MIME attachments and don't need to use uuencode. |
| 16:41.57 | greycat | Unless for some reason your email recipient requires a 1989-style uuencoded body. |
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| 16:42.10 | cwong2012 | ok. let me try the others. |
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| 16:46.26 | acz32 | for some reason when i use the system cleaner bleachbit, i can no longer open any applications and X server basically crashes |
| 16:47.06 | rozie | you probably delete some important files. you can choose what to delete |
| 16:47.52 | acz32 | i didn't delete anything important. i ran it as normal user and just clean trash, temp files, browser cache, etc. |
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| 17:03.04 | awal1 | acz32: which DE are you using? |
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| 17:06.55 | ChrisH | cwong2012: that way until your box boots.... correct syntax is uuencode file file | mailx -s .... |
| 17:07.28 | ChrisH | cwong2012: and gzip the file, might be a good idea |
| 17:07.31 | cwong2012 | ChrisH: ya. i just noticed. the file file part.. :D |
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| 17:08.00 | cwong2012 | the csv goes to manager.. i dont want to gzip it! lol |
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| 17:08.35 | ChrisH | cwong2012: manager need to learn too. or zip it |
| 17:08.50 | cwong2012 | (= |
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| 17:09.43 | jelly | oops. |
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| 17:11.09 | ChrisH | greycat: uuencode is pretty usefull for transfering files if only a graphical access to a remote box is possible :) I use it at least once a week. |
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| 17:18.46 | jhutchins | ChrisH: why uuencode file file? Shouldn't uuencode file | output to standard out and get piped? |
| 17:19.02 | greycat | you're asking "why" about a program from the 1980s? |
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| 17:20.06 | twiggz | lol. |
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| 17:20.51 | ChrisH | jhutchins: no. uuencode file < file | mailx would work |
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| 17:22.37 | greycat | anyway, the uuencode man page clearly shows that the output filename is required (because that filename is placed in the "header" of the output data) |
| 17:22.41 | jhutchins | ChrisH: My reading of the manpage doesn't specify that, but I see it's true. uuencode file -| would also work. |
| 17:23.07 | greycat | jhutchins: that would create an output filename of - in the data header |
| 17:23.18 | greycat | you might as well just put x or junk or . or _ |
| 17:23.24 | ChrisH | you can provide a different filename on the receiving side |
| 17:23.25 | jhutchins | Interesting. |
| 17:23.26 | greycat | it doesn't mean "write to stdout like tar" |
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| 17:23.45 | DingoSaar | Q: How can I install php5-fpm in Jessie using upstart? |
| 17:23.45 | ChrisH | uuencode is really helpful |
| 17:24.02 | ChrisH | DingoSaar: upstart? |
| 17:24.15 | greycat | imadev:~$ echo hello world | uuencode hi.txt |
| 17:24.16 | greycat | begin 0 hi.txt |
| 17:24.21 | greycat | (etc.) |
| 17:24.22 | jhutchins | Interesting. That's probably why I never managed to use mailx for binary files. |
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| 17:24.35 | jhutchins | man page is NOT clear about that. |
| 17:24.37 | greycat | Just use mutt, nail, or heirloom-mailx instead. Really. |
| 17:24.43 | jhutchins | pine |
| 17:24.47 | greycat | ewww. |
| 17:24.47 | DingoSaar | ChrisH, the /etc/init.d/php5-fpm has a clause to exit 1 when using upstart |
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| 17:25.02 | jhutchins | I never successfully configured mutt. |
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| 17:25.27 | jhutchins | Wrote my own sendmail config from scratch but never got mutt. |
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| 17:25.45 | DingoSaar | when masking systemd it seems php5-fpm does not correctly install, for it cannot be started by script |
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| 17:26.20 | ChrisH | jhutchins: mutt is easier... answer from someone who wrote sendmail.cf and .muttrc (for muttrc there are lots of config generator on the web) |
| 17:28.38 | daniel3_ | Anyone running Plasma 5 on Debian? |
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| 17:28.48 | greycat | DingoSaar: I have php-fpm running just fine on my desktop box after a wheezy->jessie upgrade. |
| 17:29.19 | greycat | (I don't actually run php stuff on this box... I just had it installed for testing purposes.) |
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| 17:35.17 | DingoSaar | greycat, could you take a look at your /etc/init.d/php5-fpm? |
| 17:35.32 | greycat | what makes you think jessie would use it? |
| 17:35.33 | DingoSaar | greycat, ChrisH this is the point where it does not start: https://dpaste.de/9CnC |
| 17:36.03 | greycat | the file exists, but why would I read it? |
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| 17:36.18 | DingoSaar | greycat, which file is used by upstart? |
| 17:36.32 | greycat | This is not ubnutu. There is no upstart. |
| 17:36.44 | greycat | If you're running upstart, you're in the wrong channel. |
| 17:36.47 | lmat | I did sudo dpkg -i Scrabble3d-i386.deb; and it says "dependency problems prevent configuration ... scrabble3d depends on libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.29.3)." and four other dependency problems |
| 17:36.59 | DingoSaar | greycat, as I did say, I disabled systemd. |
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| 17:37.06 | rical | looking at a call to system(), that runs user input with \ & | ; " and ' escaped with a single \, any idea on how to break the escape and prove system() is bad for you? |
| 17:37.06 | lmat | I did apt-get install libatk1.0-0 (and the others) and apt-get says "installed as newest version". |
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| 17:37.46 | greycat | DingoSaar: if you're asking how to disable systemd on jessie and replace it with ubuntu upstart, then I cannot help. |
| 17:37.51 | lmat | Does this mean that this Scrabble3d requires a version of these libraries that my debian doesn't have? |
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| 17:38.06 | lmat | oh...maybe update && upgrade would help... |
| 17:38.31 | lmat | wow 217 upgraded... |
| 17:38.46 | lmat | 315 MB of archives, I guess this will be a while. |
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| 17:38.55 | DingoSaar | greycat, no, I did ask how to get php5-fpm to run on Jessie when already having disabled the IMO not-yet production ready systemd and continued using upstart from wheezy. |
| 17:39.35 | ilk | IMO not-yet production ready systemd |
| 17:39.40 | greycat | Still, I cannot help. |
| 17:39.47 | ilk | how to get php5-fpm to run |
| 17:39.50 | lmat | DingoSaar: Are you saying that systemd isn't production ready, or it's not production ready in debian? |
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| 17:40.09 | acz32 | debian 7 didn't use upstart, though |
| 17:41.00 | greycat | Apparently he installed it on his. It is definitely not installed by default. |
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| 17:41.40 | DingoSaar | lmat, I see some serious drawbacks, one of the most serious one breaking compatibility with other POSIX systems like BSD. I think you should not use systemd if you do not need it, eg. for Gnome3; and I think you should not use Gnome3. |
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| 17:42.21 | DingoSaar | As debian does offer the choice between upstart, openrc and initv, this should not be a problem... |
| 17:42.24 | greycat | The notion of "compatibility" between two completely different operating systems' init systems is laughable. |
| 17:42.58 | lmat | DingoSaar: Thanks for that, but the question is: systemd in general, or as implemented in debian? |
| 17:43.12 | DingoSaar | lmat, in general |
| 17:43.39 | lmat | DingoSaar: Okay, so you don't think it's not production ready, just not compatible with other operating systems. (And you think that's a problem ;-) ) |
| 17:44.02 | lmat | DingoSaar: It's certainly production ready, and it certainly only works with the Linux kernel these days. |
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| 17:44.51 | DingoSaar | lmat, I fear there to be security holes, and the design does not convince me, although the idea behind it does. |
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| 17:45.43 | DingoSaar | But the question alone in debian is: php5-fpm will not start if upstart is installed, breaking the installation. |
| 17:45.59 | DingoSaar | commenting out the if clause will make it work. |
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| 17:46.13 | lmat | DingoSaar: Sorry I can't help with that. |
| 17:46.28 | greycat | DingoSaar: If debian's package of php5-fpm does not work with debian's package of upstart, then it's possible one of them has a bug. You should figure out which one it is, and report it. |
| 17:46.31 | DingoSaar | But why was the if clause put there in the first place, and are there other possible methods starting it in upstart |
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| 17:46.35 | lmat | DingoSaar: I've gotten a good deal of help from this channel, and would like to give back (even though you don't like systemd ;-) ) |
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| 17:46.52 | DingoSaar | Thanks anyway |
| 17:46.57 | lmat | DingoSaar: althoug.h... |
| 17:46.59 | vitfalk | hello guys |
| 17:47.14 | lmat | DingoSaar: "are there other possible methods of starting it in upstart" How is it started in ubuntu? |
| 17:47.35 | DingoSaar | lmat, I like (z)ubuntu even less than systemd... |
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| 17:48.15 | lmat | DingoSaar: That's beside the point, my friend :-) If ubuntu can start the php process using upstart, we should figure out what's different? |
| 17:48.19 | SkySkimmer | In synaptic, is there a way to make it so when I open the properties window for a package it's big enough to see all tabs? |
| 17:48.26 | DingoSaar | I have commented out the if clause not and hope it works... it would have been helpful if there was any indication why upstart is "if-fed out" in the package documentation... :-( |
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| 18:27.51 | valdyn | althalus: whats the point ? |
| 18:28.07 | K-202 | Hello. What libraries are used by Debian installer in text mode? Is it ncurses? |
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| 18:28.50 | greycat | I believe it's shell scripts running dialog or whiptail |
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| 18:39.50 | DoyleLuvzBurrito | Is there a rundown of major differences between wheezy and jessie somewhere? |
| 18:40.04 | DoyleLuvzBurrito | And can the next release be called 'KillGore'? |
| 18:40.31 | ghormoon | Worst difference is systemd. That thing is pia :) |
| 18:40.35 | greycat | Is that a toy story character? I might have missed a movie.... |
| 18:41.19 | abrotman | next release already named |
| 18:41.20 | abrotman | !stretch |
| 18:41.20 | dpkg | The release following Debian 8 "Jessie" is codenamed "Stretch" (the rubber octopus in Toy Story 3) and will be Debian 9: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2014/11/msg00005.html. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStretch |
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| 18:42.40 | DoyleLuvzBurrito | Hmm... OK then. But the on after that... |
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| 18:43.17 | DoyleLuvzBurrito | Ah, systemd... maybe this one should be called killgore. |
| 18:43.36 | Remram | Debian 10 is already named Buster |
| 18:43.36 | cwong2012 | why cant i do: cat hosts | while read line; do ssh $line uptime; done? it only does the first and exit. |
| 18:43.51 | greycat | cwong2012: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/089 |
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| 18:49.03 | shifty779 | cwong2012: for line in $(awk '/^ *#/{next} {print $1}' /etc/hosts) ; do echo $line ; done |
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| 18:49.35 | serg_melikyan | Hi folks, I'd like to use service command on Jessie is it possible? |
| 18:50.02 | greycat | shifty779: he never said it was /etc/hosts |
| 18:50.04 | cwong2012 | shifty779: echo works fine. it just didnt work when i use ssh. |
| 18:50.43 | shifty779 | greycat: I'm sure he'll work it out :-) |
| 18:50.49 | greycat | I already linked the answer. |
| 18:51.13 | greycat | ssh consumes stdin, which is inherited from the while loop. You either need to tell ssh to stop doing that, or use a different FD to feed the loop vs. feeding ssh. |
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| 18:55.32 | cwong2012 | ya.. in the past i had to use a for loop because i always run into this while loop issue |
| 18:55.49 | greycat | The wiki page gives two solutions. |
| 18:55.56 | cwong2012 | ya |
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| 19:11.55 | Wes- | Does anybody here have experience using Debian multiarch with valgrind? |
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| 19:12.34 | tentonbricks | when I run apt-get upgrade, I'm getting a message saying that db5.1-util has been kept back. What does this mean? |
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| 19:13.55 | karlpinc | tentonbricks: It means it may have to remove some packages to make it work. If you use full-upgrade then it will do what it needs to do, but this is less safe. |
| 19:14.27 | tentonbricks | is there a more safe solution? |
| 19:15.15 | karlpinc | tentonbricks: Not necessarily. What are you trying to do? |
| 19:15.31 | tentonbricks | just trying to be sure everything is up-to-date |
| 19:15.59 | tentonbricks | I assumed (perhaps wrongly) that it's best to have a "nothing to upgrade" message when possible. |
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| 19:16.04 | karlpinc | tentonbricks: The only time that I know of where you really need full-upgrade is when upgrading major releases. Have you changed your sources.list? |
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| 19:16.17 | tentonbricks | yeah, sources all point to jessie |
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| 19:16.29 | karlpinc | tentonbricks: And they used to point to wheezy? |
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| 19:16.40 | tentonbricks | yes |
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| 19:17.09 | karlpinc | tentonbricks: So what you should really do is read the release notes and see what they say as the best approach when upgrading. |
| 19:17.17 | karlpinc | !wheezy->jessie |
| 19:17.41 | tentonbricks | I followed the release notes step-by step |
| 19:17.48 | karlpinc | tentonbricks: Good. |
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| 19:18.05 | karlpinc | tentonbricks: And you're done following them? |
| 19:18.12 | tentonbricks | yeah |
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| 19:19.20 | karlpinc | tentonbricks: I'd say you're pretty safe doing a full-upgrade. You might want to do things like remove obsolete packages from wheezy, and do a "aptitude update" (or apt-get), just to be tidy first. |
| 19:19.43 | karlpinc | tentonbricks: Any non-debian sources in your sources.list? |
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| 19:20.44 | tentonbricks | nope |
| 19:20.59 | tentonbricks | I have 6 total lines in my sources.list |
| 19:21.34 | tentonbricks | Just modified all my wheezy lines to say 'jessie'. |
| 19:21.54 | greycat | I'd just apt-get update and apt-get -u dist-upgrade |
| 19:21.59 | tentonbricks | so there's a deb and a deb-src for jessie, jessie-updates, and jessie/updates |
| 19:22.08 | karlpinc | tentonbricks: You should be safe. aptitude at least shows you want you'll do anyway and gives you the chance to opt-out. The other thing to do is read the readme.debian for your package. Databases expecially sometimes need speical steps to upgrade db content from one version to the next. |
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| 19:22.30 | manoranjith | #msg #dpkg emacs |
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| 19:22.50 | karlpinc | tentonbricks: It could be that you need to do something before or after the upgrade manually to ensure your db content is still good. (Just a guess.) |
| 19:22.57 | karlpinc | !tell tentonbricks about readme.debian |
| 19:23.09 | manoranjith | dpkg |
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| 19:23.23 | karlpinc | manoranjith: That would be "/msg dpkg emacs" |
| 19:24.20 | karlpinc | tentonbricks: (but I'd think there'd be something in the release notes about upgrading dbd since that's such a common package.) |
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| 19:26.46 | tentonbricks | I've never been an aptitude user. Don't know why. I started with debian many, many years ago, took a break, and now am back using it again. |
| 19:27.04 | tentonbricks | When I first used it, I was taught to use apt-get for everything. |
| 19:27.35 | greycat | I've never used aptitude either, except for that one time several years ago when it was required for a major version upgrade. |
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| 19:29.19 | tentonbricks | the release notes / upgrade instructions seemed to imply that apt-get or aptitude could be used. |
| 19:29.24 | tentonbricks | very possible I misread that. |
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| 19:29.38 | twobitsprite | I think a recent update to bind9 broke my dynamic DNS updates... I have a script on another server that uses nsupdate to add DNS entries from our asset system, but it stopped working recently after I applied apt updates. |
| 19:30.21 | twobitsprite | when I run the nsupdate command, I can see the RRs in the .jnl files, and if I flush the named server, they end up in the normal db files.... but when I do a dig or nslookup I get NXDOMAIN |
| 19:30.50 | greycat | do you possibly need to do a "reload" on named? |
| 19:31.04 | greycat | I'm not sure if that's different from a "flush" |
| 19:31.48 | twobitsprite | greycat: never needed to de a reload before... but I did try it and it still doesn't work |
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| 19:32.36 | greycat | Is it generating any errors in the log files? (/var/log/daemon.log most likely) |
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| 19:32.57 | twobitsprite | nothing that seems to be relevant |
| 19:33.48 | twobitsprite | when I run nsupdate with -d for debug, it shows the DNS server's response, and it says NOERROR |
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| 19:35.16 | tentonbricks | so the issue seems to be that db5.1-util is an old db package... db5.3-util is the latest. |
| 19:35.36 | greycat | berkeley db does that *all the time* |
| 19:36.22 | tentonbricks | I'm guessing that's what the problem was. |
| 19:36.25 | twobitsprite | greycat: think I should ask on the mailing list or open a bug or something? |
| 19:36.34 | tentonbricks | I removed 5.1 and installed 5.3 and everything seems good. |
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| 19:36.46 | tentonbricks | I may have broken something else in the process... but I guess we'll find out soon enough. |
| 19:36.50 | greycat | twobitsprite: If you can't figure it out yourself, asking on the mailing list seems appropriate. |
| 19:36.58 | twobitsprite | greycat: right on, thanks |
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| 19:39.40 | otyugh | how do we change the language of gnumeric ? Is this related to an additionnal package, some setting I missed, or from a precise locale ? |
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| 19:42.50 | karlpinc | tentonbricks: I think your good. http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs//main/d/db/db_5.1.29-9_changelog says the db5-util package is kept only for upgrade purposes. |
| 19:44.25 | tentonbricks | awesome. thanks! |
| 19:44.43 | karlpinc | tentonbricks, greycat: You can really use either aptitude or apt-get. Used to be aptitude often did a better job of resolving conflicts but I don't know if this is still true. Also, used to be the aptitude and apt-get "hold" mechanisim was different/incompatible and you'd want to use only one or the other. Again, don't know if this is still true. |
| 19:44.55 | nmschulte | http://pastebin.com/qN4PYYVc |
| 19:44.56 | karlpinc | !why aptitude |
| 19:44.56 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). For some upgrades, apt-get is preferred (e.g. <lenny->squeeze>, <squeeze->wheezy>). http://tinyurl.com/3g4d4d9. |
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| 19:45.16 | nmschulte | I'm trying to dd an ISO to a USB mass storage device, and I receive this issue everytime: http://pastebin.com/qN4PYYVc |
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| 19:45.33 | nmschulte | Does anyone know what's going on here? |
| 19:46.07 | SpeedBus | do starup scripts in /etc/rc2.d still work on Debian 8? for example, the script listed here: http://openvz.org/Debian_template_creation#Fix_SSH_host_keys |
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| 19:46.49 | greycat | SpeedBus: not by default |
| 19:47.00 | dondelelcaro | greycat: they'll still work by default, actually |
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| 19:47.17 | karlpinc | greycat: I thought that systemd will run startup scripts too. |
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| 19:47.22 | greycat | Ok, then I guess I know less about systemd than I thought I knew. |
| 19:47.47 | karlpinc | nmschulte: What is sdc? Perhaps not enough power in an external device? |
| 19:47.55 | SpeedBus | hmm, doesn't seem to be executing here, that exact script at http://openvz.org/Debian_template_creation#Fix_SSH_host_keys |
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| 19:48.13 | SpeedBus | worked well on Wheezy |
| 19:48.29 | nmschulte | karlpinc: sdc is a 128GB Flash mass storage device by Corasair. |
| 19:48.37 | nmschulte | It's a USB flash drive. |
| 19:48.47 | greycat | $ /sbin/runlevel |
| 19:48.48 | greycat | N 5 |
| 19:48.48 | nmschulte | I've had issues with the USB 3.0 ports on this laptop with other devices as well. |
| 19:48.52 | greycat | ... what. |
| 19:49.01 | nmschulte | I wonder if it's a driver issue, or a hardware issue. |
| 19:49.19 | nmschulte | greycat: ? |
| 19:49.35 | karlpinc | nmschulte: My guess is a hardware problem. Is it plugged into a hub or into the box? |
| 19:49.38 | greycat | subtracts still more from his systemd_knowledge |
| 19:49.47 | nmschulte | karlpinc: it's my root USB 3.0 hub on my laptop. |
| 19:50.05 | nmschulte | My Google Nexus 7 tablet running Android has issues on that port too. |
| 19:50.19 | nmschulte | (there are two ports on the same hub; they both have issues it seems). |
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| 19:50.32 | karlpinc | nmschulte: Maybe plug the laptop into power? (!) |
| 19:50.35 | greycat | OK, runlevel(8) says I shouldn't use runlevel any more because it is obsolete. I guess it just produces random numbers or something. |
| 19:50.39 | nmschulte | USB keyboards and such on that hub work fine though |
| 19:50.46 | nmschulte | karlpinc: laptop is plugged into power. |
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| 19:50.57 | nmschulte | greycat: runlevel 5 is accurate. |
| 19:51.01 | greycat | So then I *also* guess the information in /etc/rc2.d/README is obsolete and misleading when it talks about run levels. |
| 19:51.10 | nmschulte | runlevel 5 is the "graphical multi-user" run level |
| 19:51.20 | nmschulte | (the default) |
| 19:51.32 | greycat | nmschulte: according to what official document or system-visible thing? |
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| 19:51.42 | karlpinc | nmschulte: Last time I paid attention (on wheezy) the default runlevel was 2. Did this change on jessie? |
| 19:51.51 | nmschulte | karlpinc: maybe I |
| 19:51.59 | karlpinc | greycat: I think it's in debian-policy. |
| 19:52.00 | greycat | What *should* I be reading to understand why dondelelcaro says stuff in /etc/rc2.d is still used? |
| 19:52.05 | nmschulte | Maybe I'm wrong, but I recall runlevel 5 is the default. |
| 19:52.09 | nmschulte | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runlevel |
| 19:52.21 | karlpinc | nmschulte: Depends on the distro. |
| 19:52.22 | greycat | run level 5 was the default on, like, legacy red hat 5 or something |
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| 19:52.27 | greycat | back in 1999 |
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| 19:52.48 | karlpinc | greycat: Last I paid attention RHEL default was 3. |
| 19:53.08 | nmschulte | Debian run levels 2 - 5 are identical, no? |
| 19:53.18 | nmschulte | or, it treats them all the same |
| 19:53.25 | greycat | I hate, hate, hate the fact that RH recycled their release numbers. Now I can no longer discuss the actual Red Hat systems with which I have any familiarity. |
| 19:53.36 | greycat | nmschulte: again, that's all pre-systemd |
| 19:53.41 | AWeSomeAo | I followed wiki.debian.org/TransparentEncryptionForHomeFolder on jessie, but the excryptfs-setup-swap changed result in an error booting up. It won't automatically create /dev/mapper/cryptswap |
| 19:53.41 | nmschulte | This is true. |
| 19:53.47 | nmschulte | I haven't paid much attention to the systemd stuff. |
| 19:53.55 | nmschulte | I'm waiting for it all to settle so I can skip the fuss. |
| 19:54.05 | nmschulte | Quite honestly, it's all rather confusing at this point. |
| 19:54.08 | karlpinc | greycat: I'd start with the systemd man page. It points to some sort of concept overview on the web. Then finish the man page and check out the other referenced man pages. But I learn by manual, so YMMV. |
| 19:54.34 | nmschulte | sorry for the noise! |
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| 19:55.09 | karlpinc | nmschulte: It'll stay confusing until you actually read all the instructions and figure everything out all over again like you had to do with sysV. :-P |
| 19:55.30 | karlpinc | greycat: (I've only barely started down the systemd road.) |
| 19:55.59 | nmschulte | Which is why I'm waiting for it to settle so I won't have to do that multiple times while things are figured out. |
| 19:56.19 | nmschulte | I know about journalctl -X and systemctl; it's gotten me far enough. |
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| 19:56.50 | nmschulte | I still find myself using # service <service> <action> a lot though |
| 19:57.10 | daniel3_ | Try using a system that doesn't even have that option. It gets annoying when it says "command not found" |
| 19:57.24 | karlpinc | nmschulte: It's pretty settled, in that it's been in use for years and the basics are not going to change. At least that's my ignorant opinion. But the only other alternative I can imagine is that it'll never settle. |
| 19:57.34 | Wes- | I really like SysV init - because I've used it for years - but this new upstart stuff isn't half bad. I haven't played with systemd. I'm not a big fan of Solaris 10's replacement, but at least it maintains backwards compatibility with the SysV stuff, which is my chief complaint about upstart. |
| 19:57.44 | greycat | I never learned "system". I've always done /etc/init.d/foo on debian, /etc/rc.d/init.d/foo on RH, and /sbin/init.d/foo on HP-UX. |
| 19:57.48 | daniel3_ | I think systemd is great. |
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| 19:58.42 | karlpinc | systemd is cute. But not transparent like the sysv shell scripts so when something breaks I, at least, don't have the tools to figure out what happened. No more putting "echo" into shell scripts. |
| 19:58.58 | nmschulte | What's confusing is where the lines between the backwards compatability features, the hacks/kludges/work-arounds that the maintainers make to help the users, and the actual systemd bits. |
| 19:59.11 | greycat | karlpinc: I still have some scripts that have set -x in them.... |
| 19:59.11 | nmschulte | So, I don't know what I'm actually doing when I do things. |
| 19:59.24 | nmschulte | the service command works, but I don't think it's the "systemd" way? |
| 19:59.38 | karlpinc | And somehow systemd is supposed to replace cron? Like... Why? |
| 19:59.59 | nmschulte | Replace cron, or, turn cron into a service which it implements/ |
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| 20:00.05 | nmschulte | Or I guess those are the same? |
| 20:00.07 | greycat | I appear to have a /usr/sbin/cron running. |
| 20:00.13 | greycat | it's not PID 1 either |
| 20:00.26 | karlpinc | greycat: That might be debian making us happy. |
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| 20:00.39 | nmschulte | karlpinc: And that's what I mean by confusion. :) |
| 20:00.41 | karlpinc | greycat: There's a systemd-cron package, I think, or something of that sort. |
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| 20:01.33 | nmschulte | Description: systemd units to provide minimal cron daemon functionality |
| 20:01.47 | nmschulte | what is a unit? |
| 20:02.17 | greycat | "The location of the SysV init script directory varies between distributions. If systemd cannot find a native unit file for a requested service, it will look for a SysV init script of the same name (with the .service suffix removed)." |
| 20:02.58 | greycat | So... what's a "requested service"? Will it scan /etc/rc2.d at some point during boot and decide every S* file there is a "request"? |
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| 20:03.50 | nmschulte | karlpinc: I tried the USB 2 port, and I have the same I/O issues. |
| 20:04.36 | karlpinc | greycat: Nah. Units fall into 12 (!) categories, one of which is "service". Services are are files in various places that end in ".service" and contain a systemd config. Like /etc/systemd/system/ or /etc/systemd/user or... for half a dozen other places. |
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| 20:05.20 | greycat | karlpinc: I got that part, but what constitutes a "requested service", or in other words, what makes it decide to use /etc/init.d/foo or /etc/rcN.d/foo for some value of N? |
| 20:05.24 | karlpinc | greycat: One of the things systemd does is hook into a sysV rc style script on runlevel change, so it can just run the rc scripts like normal. |
| 20:06.09 | karlpinc | greycat: And, no, I don't know where that script or it's "unit" config lives. |
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| 20:09.37 | greycat | OK... http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/TipsAndTricks/ implies that I can make /etc/systemd/system/default.target do things, and implies that it should be looking at /usr/lib/systemd/system/something but that doesn't exist, but /lib/systemd/system/default.target DOES exist and symlinks to graphical.target |
| 20:09.49 | greycat | My god, can't anyone just document this... |
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| 20:12.03 | greycat | Half the problem is that the pathnames on Debian don't match the pathnames in the man pages or on the web pages. The other half of the problem is the pathnames are all fuckin' 80 characters long. |
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| 20:12.50 | greycat | None of "show status" things fit in a terminal, no human can remember the pathnames, .... |
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| 20:14.58 | greycat | /lib/systemd/system/default.target points to graphical.target and /lib/systemd/system/graphical.target.wants/ has systemd-update-utmp-runlevel.service inside it and THAT file is a symlink to another file that contains the line After=runlevel1.target runlevel2.target runlevel3.target runlevel4.target runlevel5.target |
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| 20:15.18 | greycat | So... is ***THAT**** why it says runlevel 5? |
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| 20:16.40 | krav | greycat: yeah. runlevels is an init thing. |
| 20:16.47 | krav | greycat: so they aliased it all out for systemd. |
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| 20:38.37 | duelle | Hi there, I am running a debian 7.8 (wheezy) server and would like to set the following iptables rule: "iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -s 10.0.0.0/24 -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE" Unfortunately I always get the error message: "iptables: No chain/target/match by that name." Could you give me a hint what might be the cause? |
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| 20:40.49 | PryMar56 | duelle, table name first |
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| 20:41.48 | duelle | PryMar56, I get the same result with "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING ..." |
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| 20:45.53 | PryMar56 | duelle, you are in vps? and Boss has disable functionality? |
| 20:46.25 | nmschulte | duelle: iptables -t nat -L -- shows POSTROUTING chain? |
| 20:47.23 | duelle | PryMar56, its a dedicated server, so no VPS. The command you posted shows POSTROUTING too. |
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| 20:48.19 | websly | hello |
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| 20:48.31 | nmschulte | duelle: try with -j MASQUERADE as the first option to the chain |
| 20:49.43 | Fahrradkette | hi guys. I'm trying to compile a dvb-t kernel module which was written for ubuntu: https://github.com/ambrosa/A867_kernel_3.0.0.git on debian 8 (jessie) I've got build-essentials, linux-headers and linux-image installed. Make says it can't find a header file inside a subdir of the module's src dir. How can I print out the variables of the Makefile? |
| 20:50.06 | websly | I installed debian to a usb (full install. not live usb). However it wont boot from it even though I clearly tell the computer to boot that the usb instead of the HDD. |
| 20:50.18 | websly | Ive done the same with Fedora and it worked perfectly |
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| 20:50.40 | websly | Try the install again, or is it a known issue? |
| 20:50.46 | duelle | nmschulte, so you mean "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -j MASQUERADE .." ? |
| 20:50.53 | nmschulte | duelle: yeah |
| 20:51.00 | nmschulte | not sure it matters though, :/ |
| 20:51.06 | Fahrradkette | websly: how far does your box boot? Past grub? |
| 20:51.10 | nmschulte | just reading the man page for iptables shows order matters. |
| 20:51.11 | duelle | nmschulte, same result unfortunately :/ |
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| 20:51.46 | websly | Fahrradkette: as the machine powers on I spam F12 to select what device to boot from |
| 20:51.50 | duelle | Was just following the explanations in https://forums.openvpn.net/topic7722.html |
| 20:51.58 | websly | no grub |
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| 20:52.12 | websly | no problem doing this with my fedora usb |
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| 20:53.10 | websly | it looks like it hangs for a couple of seconds and then falls back to the HDD boot |
| 20:53.40 | Fahrradkette | so the mbr is kinda messed up I guess |
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| 20:54.14 | websly | well I can boot into windows (main HDD) and another USB (with full fedora on it) perfectly |
| 20:54.21 | websly | and ofc live usb's work aswell |
| 20:54.23 | nmschulte | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Simple_stateful_firewall#Setting_up_a_NAT_gateway -- duelle not sure, looks like you're doing it the way they are, but maybe there is a step or something they have that you missed |
| 20:54.44 | duelle | Thanks nmschulte , I will have a look. |
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| 20:55.13 | Fahrradkette | could you boot from the same stick to fedora? I.e to a minimal fedora installation? |
| 20:55.16 | nmschulte | websly: When you instruct your BIOS/EFI to boot from the USB, it's looking for an MBR on the USB MSD. |
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| 20:55.49 | nmschulte | Fahrradkette is suggesting that the MBR on your USB MSD is corrupt, or your USB possibly doesn't support writing to the sectors that would be the MBR in a regular block device. |
| 20:56.07 | websly | Fahrradkette: I havent tried using the exact same usb, but they are both the same brand/type/size/etc |
| 20:56.12 | SafeMoneyOnl | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:56.12 | SafeMoneyOnl | Up here And good Luck -----> http://www.marketglory.com/strategygame/lolopoco |
| 20:56.30 | websly | as in, they are the same product |
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| 20:56.36 | nmschulte | That's a good sign. |
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| 20:56.56 | krav | the sad thing, is that's probably just some dude stuck in a botnet |
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| 20:57.00 | krav | no idea that they're a bot. |
| 20:57.17 | nmschulte | lolopoco |
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| 21:00.34 | jerichowasahoax | krav: with a host like "residential.rdsnet.ro", it's got to be |
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| 21:00.45 | krav | jerichowasahoax: that's what i'm thinking. |
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| 21:00.57 | duelle | nmschulte, apart from the fw-* chains they seem to to it like I already did. The command regarding the MASQUERADE jump, does not work here too :/ |
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| 21:03.32 | miffe | Hello, is there a way to get efibootmgr from rescue mode in the installer? |
| 21:03.34 | jelly | avoid commenting on spam please, or do it in #debian-offtopic; keep the main channel for tech support |
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| 21:07.35 | otyugh | dillo does not work on google search anymore |
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| 21:07.39 | otyugh | is that debian related ? |
| 21:07.47 | otyugh | (I guess not) |
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| 21:08.19 | pfred1 | woohoo I did it! |
| 21:08.34 | pfred1 | otyugh it was totally Debian related too |
| 21:08.40 | nkuttler | otyugh: google does all kinds of tricks to cloak their content.. |
| 21:09.17 | otyugh | this is strange actually, dillo get some infinite refresh on the page with random $_GET stuff in the url |
| 21:09.19 | nkuttler | oh nice, seems like you get an endless redirect loop.. |
| 21:09.29 | otyugh | yup |
| 21:09.38 | pfred1 | spam spam glorious spam! |
| 21:09.58 | otyugh | héhé. If everyone used dillo, we could have done a ddos attack o/ |
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| 21:10.45 | rtn | I accidently stopped a qemu vm and don't know how. Issuing `cont' in qemu monitor does not work to resume... |
| 21:10.53 | pfred1 | how anyone uses the Nouveau video driver I'll never know |
| 21:11.27 | nmschulte | ? |
| 21:11.33 | nmschulte | I've used the nouveau driver before. |
| 21:11.36 | nmschulte | It worked rather well. |
| 21:11.43 | pfred1 | nmschulte it did? |
| 21:11.46 | pfred1 | it can' |
| 21:11.57 | pfred1 | it can't even scale videos full screen or accelerate GL |
| 21:12.37 | pfred1 | plus I didn't get twin screen working other than mirror and it messed up my resolution |
| 21:12.39 | jelly | pfred1: available features vary based on chip and driver version |
| 21:13.06 | pfred1 | jelly I have a modern chip and i was using a later driver version too |
| 21:13.25 | jelly | pfred1: but since this is a rant and not a tech support question, I'll have to point you to #debian-offtopic |
| 21:13.43 | pfred1 | jelly oh so everything has to be a question here does it? |
| 21:13.59 | pfred1 | actually my first comment was i nthe form of a question |
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| 21:14.08 | jelly | !offtopic |
| 21:14.09 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 21:14.24 | pfred1 | jelly do yo uknow what primarily means? |
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| 21:14.52 | pfred1 | I'll give yo ua hint it does not mean exclusively |
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| 21:15.30 | dat_dude | hello gurus - trying to compile a kernel module (nwfermi, touchscreen module) on my debian machine for use on another machine that runs puppylinux. i can't find the source for the puppylinux kernel unfortunately. i have compiled a module against the same kernel version but still getting "disagrees about version of symbol module_layout" error ... any suggestions? |
| 21:15.45 | dat_dude | that error when insmodding on puppylinux - thanks |
| 21:15.50 | pfred1 | in any event I did manage to switch from the binary to the open source and back again using update-alternatives --config glx and a number of other methods along with it |
| 21:16.08 | jelly | dat_dude: ask the puppy people about the exact kernel source and gcc version they used to build it |
| 21:16.52 | dat_dude | jelly: was hoping to get this done this afternoon. no way to make it ignore the kernel verson when insmodding? |
| 21:16.58 | duelle | Does anybody have any further ideas why "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -j MASQUERADE .." returns "iptables: No chain/target/match by that name."? (dedicated server running, Wheezy (7.8)) |
| 21:17.07 | jelly | dat_dude: not safely, no |
| 21:17.20 | dat_dude | how about unsafely? :) this isnt exactly a production quality machine |
| 21:17.25 | pfred1 | dat_dude cat /proc/version will tell you |
| 21:17.40 | dat_dude | Linux version 3.7.10 (root@fatdog64) (gcc version 4.6.2 (GCC) ) #1 SMP Wed Feb 27 18:13:49 EST 2013 |
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| 21:18.35 | dat_dude | i swore ive done something before like take the .o file and link it on the target machine to a .ko and it worked....maybe i have no idea what im talkign about |
| 21:18.41 | pfred1 | dat_dude you can rebuild your kernel with ignore modversion support |
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| 21:18.55 | jelly | dat_dude: google can probably answer that, there were some useful results last time I googled "disagrees about version of symbol module_layout" and related modprobe message |
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| 21:19.16 | pfred1 | I thought most canned kernels had that set |
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| 21:19.34 | Gost | I install irssi and xchat but comand \whois not working. Why? |
| 21:19.49 | jelly | Gost: use forward slash / not backslash \ |
| 21:20.46 | pfred1 | dat_dude you are best off using modules for your particular kernel |
| 21:21.03 | dat_dude | so basically i have to compile a whole kernel :( |
| 21:21.03 | pfred1 | sometimes other modules work but when they don't that's bad |
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| 21:21.38 | pfred1 | dat_dude its not so bad if you don't really want to configure it |
| 21:21.56 | dat_dude | dat_dude: luckily i have a /proc/config.gz on the puppy system. can i just use that and compile it without changing anything? |
| 21:22.22 | pfred1 | dat_dude when you run make menuconfig it'll pick up your running kernel's config and set all of that automatically |
| 21:22.37 | jelly | dat_dude: only if you have the exact same tree and gcc version and some luck |
| 21:22.38 | dat_dude | oh so i should be compiling on puppy |
| 21:22.53 | dat_dude | problem is it's crippled, no gcc no nothing |
| 21:23.07 | duelle | Could it be possible, that some modules aren't loaded? I see, that there is a module called ipt_MASQUERADE. |
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| 21:23.34 | jelly | duelle: what does "uname -a" say? |
| 21:24.02 | duelle | Linux <myhostname> 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.65-1+deb7u2 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 21:24.39 | jelly | good, that's really a wheezy kernel. iptables ought to load modules on request |
| 21:24.45 | teraflop | duelle: are you running that iptables in the current kernel or did you a kernel upgrade and still not rebooted? |
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| 21:25.36 | duelle | teraflop, the installation is just two weeks old and I did not do any dist-upgrades (afaik). It was installed via netinstall - so I assume, that it was 7.8 right from the beginning. |
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| 21:26.38 | huihuihui | I'm on a web client |
| 21:26.57 | huihuihui | is there a WW2 salute in your city? |
| 21:27.23 | huihuihui | likely already been done |
| 21:27.48 | pfred1 | huihuihui I'm unindorporated but we salute all of the time out here if you just mean gun fire |
| 21:28.02 | huihuihui | so tell me why I should learn how to look for an ornate version of mIRC with no enforced utf8 |
| 21:28.28 | huihuihui | pfredi: gunfire will do just fine |
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| 21:28.53 | pfred1 | huihuihui we have oen of the Missouri's naval rifles now too |
| 21:29.03 | PryMar56 | duelle, sudo iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 21:29.04 | huihuihui | people with guns in their households aren't likely to hurt each other |
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| 21:29.49 | Fahrradkette | people without guns are even less likely to do so:) |
| 21:29.59 | huihuihui | pfredi: I'm not sure what you mean by a 'Missouri Gun Rifle', but by all means, go ahead |
| 21:30.12 | pfred1 | huihuihui a battleship main gun |
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| 21:30.21 | huihuihui | show those Louisiana losers |
| 21:30.30 | duelle | PryMar56, still returning the error ("iptables: No chain/target/match by that name.") |
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| 21:30.57 | pfred1 | huihuihui http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/16%22/50_caliber_Mark_7_gun |
| 21:30.58 | huihuihui | a battleship main gun? as in 200mm? |
| 21:31.01 | PryMar56 | duelle, is ufw installed? |
| 21:31.03 | ctmjr | #debian guns? |
| 21:31.06 | pfred1 | it is a 16" |
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| 21:31.34 | duelle | PryMar56, no. |
| 21:31.41 | pfred1 | you don't gotta worry about anyone getting hurt in a household it can take out the whole block! |
| 21:31.50 | huihuihui | These guns were 66.6 feet (20 m) longâ50 times their 16-inch (406 mm) bore, or 50 calibers, from breechface to muzzle. |
| 21:32.00 | Fahrradkette | the pen is mightier than the sword |
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| 21:32.17 | huihuihui | okay then, I wouldn't personally F with a 406mm barrel |
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| 21:32.51 | huihuihui | then again, did it hit anything? |
| 21:33.09 | huihuihui | I'm a well non-interested party |
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| 21:33.30 | huihuihui | as in foreign |
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| 21:33.56 | jelly | huihuihui: hey there, this channel is for Debian tech support. For chat unrelated to Debian, please go to #debian-offtopic or ##chat |
| 21:33.57 | huihuihui | and not mexican if it hit that |
| 21:34.22 | huihuihui | we had a nice chat going through the calibers |
| 21:34.38 | huihuihui | now somehow it's all Debian |
| 21:34.44 | jelly | huihuihui: do you have a Debian question? |
| 21:34.55 | pfred1 | jelly if it wasn't for that gun you wouldn't evne be alive show some respect |
| 21:35.16 | krav | jelly: the answer you're looking for is no. |
| 21:35.17 | huihuihui | root@panda:/var/www/html# date && uname -a Fri 8 May 23:35:05 CEST 2015 Linux panda 2.6.32-042stab106.4 #1 SMP Fri Mar 27 15:19:28 MSK 2015 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 21:35.25 | huihuihui | does that answer the question? |
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| 21:36.04 | dat_dude | damn im struggling like hell here |
| 21:36.09 | krav | dat_dude: :( |
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| 21:36.25 | jhutchins | dat_dude: What did you try to do? How did you try to do it? What did you expect to happen? What happened instead? |
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| 21:36.48 | dat_dude | trying to get a kernel module compiled for a different kernel version |
| 21:37.08 | jhutchins | dat_dude: Yeah, Should've checked the scrollbuffer. |
| 21:37.21 | jdahm | I'm trying out an installation of debian testing (mostly new to debian) and upgrading it to testing. What are the differences between the jessie/updates and jessie-updates lines in the apt source files? |
| 21:38.07 | jdahm | also I _really_ wish the installer let you set up all the mount points at /mnt yourself, so I could use my existing btrfs subvolume structure |
| 21:38.50 | jhutchins | jdahm: Jessie released on the 25th. |
| 21:39.25 | jhutchins | !jessie sources.list |
| 21:39.25 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
| 21:39.37 | Gost | <jelly> thanx!111 |
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| 21:40.44 | jhutchins | jdahm: I presume that the jessie/updates referrs to the security repo, while jessie-updates is for httpredir. Different project repos have different structures. |
| 21:41.58 | jdahm | jhutchins: thanks! |
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| 21:43.30 | jhutchins | jdahm: you can /msg dpkg those specific items for more info (that's what the angle brackets mean). |
| 21:45.00 | jdahm | jhutchins: ah nice. Didn't know that. Thanks for the tutorial! |
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| 21:53.45 | duelle | Are there any alternatives to reach some kind of NAT behaviour? |
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| 21:58.48 | Shadowlor | I have a question about installing Debian using netinst...I have my wifi working, but when it comes to the passphrase, I do not know. I am at a university and the wifi connection use username and password instead of passphrase. Please help. |
| 21:58.50 | duelle | I see there is a module named "ipt_MASQUERADE". Could it be a possibility to try it explicitly? |
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| 22:01.32 | twoion[shell] | Shadowlor: Is the network using 802.11x for auth? Your uni's computing centre/sysadmin den probably has a guide or info somewhere on the web |
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| 22:01.58 | flaxo | hiho... |
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| 22:02.59 | flaxo | could someone please confirm that the package "mp3gain" is still existant in the debian-jessie repositories and i am just to stupid to find it? |
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| 22:04.04 | teraflop | flaxo: easymp3gain-data |
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| 22:04.12 | flaxo | no |
| 22:04.18 | flaxo | teraflop: mp3gain |
| 22:04.23 | teraflop | flaxo: ^ |
| 22:04.28 | flaxo | without any crap |
| 22:04.37 | flaxo | just the console stuff |
| 22:04.51 | flaxo | oh... |
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| 22:05.06 | teraflop | flaxo: i can confirm you that in jessie that package contains that file |
| 22:05.09 | twoion[shell] | flaxo: look up @ packages.debian.org or use rmadison -> it's *not* there but in unstable |
| 22:05.24 | teraflop | flaxo: theres a bot ask im about debian packages |
| 22:05.25 | flaxo | ah great! |
| 22:05.38 | flaxo | i did not get that... |
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| 22:06.11 | flaxo | thougt that easymp3gain-data would depend on the gui stuff |
| 22:06.35 | flaxo | there should be a hint somewhere on the package :/ |
| 22:06.38 | vietp | running debian 8 on a vm on a surface. is there a pkg to or way to allow for touch scrolling? |
| 22:06.40 | twoion[shell] | flaxo: install devscripts and read rmadison(1) for future reference, this lets you query this kind of stuff from the command line |
| 22:07.31 | duelle | PryMar56, When looking into syslog I can see many entries like: ... ipt_MASQUERADE: disagrees about version of symbol nf_nat_setup_info |
| 22:07.32 | flaxo | like where programes went? |
| 22:07.36 | teraflop | flaxo: well thats what the bot said to me |
| 22:07.49 | flaxo | hehe |
| 22:07.58 | flaxo | ok... the bot is allways right. ;) |
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| 22:08.01 | teraflop | heh |
| 22:08.03 | teraflop | ^ |
| 22:08.53 | duelle | There seems to be a problem with the module ipt_MASQUERADE as syslog outputs the message "ipt_MASQUERADE: disagrees about version of symbol nf_nat_setup_info" several times when I try to create the said iptables command. |
| 22:09.26 | flaxo | teraflop: the bot lied |
| 22:09.56 | flaxo | installing easymp3gain-data does not install mp3gain |
| 22:10.09 | teraflop | oh uhh sorry then |
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| 22:11.23 | teraflop | flaxo: my apologies i got "1 matches found: mp3gain (stable)" |
| 22:11.26 | zykotick9 | flaxo: <no help> but... i couldn't find mp3gain either... good luck |
| 22:11.26 | flaxo | in fact it does not install anything but icons... |
| 22:11.31 | flaxo | hehe |
| 22:11.33 | flaxo | thanks |
| 22:11.45 | jelly | duelle: did you reboot since the last time your kernel was upgraded? Sorry if you answered this already, I missed it |
| 22:11.51 | flaxo | how can stuff like this just disappear? |
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| 22:12.20 | jelly | ,kernels |
| 22:12.21 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.19.0-trunk-686-pae (3.19.3-1~exp1); sid: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt9-2); stretch: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt9-2); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt9-2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt7-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.65-1+deb7u2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.65-1+deb7u2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 22:12.22 | judd | (2.6.32-48squeeze6) |
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| 22:13.22 | duelle | jelly, as far as I know the kernel was not upgraded in the last two weeks - but I would not want to bet on it.. |
| 22:13.57 | flaxo | why is it always the stuff i need that get thrown away :/ |
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| 22:14.24 | jelly | duelle: compare the version of linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 package and "uname -a" output. 3.2.68-1+deb7u1 is the latest. |
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| 22:17.13 | duelle | jelly, dpkg -l | grep ^ii | grep linux-image shows 3.2.68-1+deb7u1 and uname -a shows 3.2.65-1+deb7u2. So you seem to be right. |
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| 22:17.31 | Aison | I just tried to setup lightdm for autologin. I can write anything into lightdm.conf, it always tries to start chrome. from lightdm log: "Autologin using session chrome" |
| 22:17.39 | Aison | no idea where this chrome is configured |
| 22:18.36 | duelle | jelly I will make a reboot and see whether it works afterwards. Thanks for all your hints and help! |
| 22:18.38 | duelle | brb |
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| 22:19.18 | flaxo | where would i file a bugreport about that? |
| 22:19.30 | flaxo | teraflop: ^ |
| 22:19.33 | awal1 | Aison: you are refering to chromium browser? |
| 22:19.44 | UnwrittenCode | when I was installing Debian it suggested I install some drivers, is there a way to get that information after install? |
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| 22:19.49 | Aison | awal1, I guess yes, but it is not even installed on that system |
| 22:20.05 | Aison | somehow lightdm wants to start chrome xsession.... |
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| 22:26.27 | Shadowlor | Can I get out of Debian-netinst into a terminal? |
| 22:26.53 | dvs | Shadowlor: Ctrl-Alt-f1 |
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| 22:27.41 | Shadowlor | @dvs then How do I get back into the install process? |
| 22:27.43 | duelle | jelly, rebooting seems to have done the trick. At least I could issue the command - though I can't use the server as gateway yet :/ |
| 22:27.50 | dvs | Shadowlor: Ctrl-Alt-f7 |
| 22:28.05 | Shadowlor | Dvs: Okay, thanks. |
| 22:28.27 | dvs | np |
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| 22:29.25 | Shadowlor | Can I add username and password to wcid? add a profile? If so, how to? |
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| 22:39.47 | flaxo | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=761847 |
| 22:39.48 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/761847 in ftp.debian.org (closed): «RM: mp3gain -- ROM; dead upstream, probably insecure»; severity: normal; opened: 2014-09-16; last modified: 2014-10-17. |
| 22:39.58 | flaxo | why do you keep doing that???? |
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| 22:40.26 | flaxo | how can a damn replaygain script be a security issue?? |
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| 22:40.49 | flaxo | quit breaking stuff that "Just works" |
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| 22:41.35 | teraflop | duelle: oh boy i told you about that |
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| 23:01.34 | Mac_Weber | what are the best methods to debug a complete system freeze? |
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| 23:14.59 | FLHerne | Mac_Weber: You could see if you can ssh into it |
| 23:15.29 | FLHerne | Could be that just the interface has frozen |
| 23:15.32 | Mac_Weber | FLHerne: not always. Most of the times it freezes completely |
| 23:15.37 | FLHerne | Unless you already tried that |
| 23:15.39 | Shadowlor | exit |
| 23:15.44 | Shadowlor | quit |
| 23:15.46 | FLHerne | Okay, you did |
| 23:15.49 | FLHerne | Shadowlor: / |
| 23:16.01 | Mac_Weber | how this package works? https://packages.debian.org/jessie/crash |
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| 23:25.12 | jelly | duelle: don't forget to sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 |
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| 23:34.06 | duelle | Thanks for the hint! I got it all to work now - thanks a lot again to you all. |
| 23:35.10 | jelly | duelle: you're welcome! Also don't forget to put it somewhere permanent like /etc/sysctl.conf |
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