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| 00:15.16 | } | Hey, how do you extract a .deb if you're not on a debian based distro? (that is no dpkg or apt) |
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| 00:17.38 | jelly | }: it's an ar archive, inside there's a data.tar.gz or data.tar.xz with contents |
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| 00:20.32 | jelly | dpkg, tell } about deb |
| 00:20.46 | awal1 | Anyone get this output if using kde/kdm "systemctl --failed â Cannot add dependency job for unit display-manager.service, ignoring: Unit display-manager.service failed to load: No such file or directory." ? |
| 00:20.48 | } | jelly, I tried gunzip, unzip, unxz and tar, it says file format not recognized |
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| 00:21.26 | jelly | }: because it's ar, not gzip or zip or xz or tar. |
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| 00:21.35 | } | oh I misread |
| 00:21.41 | awal1 | sorry I get that output running "dmesg | grep -i failed" |
| 00:21.49 | } | I read that "it's an archive" instead of "it's an ar archive" |
| 00:22.25 | jelly | the message from the bot you got in private should have been a bit less ambiguous |
| 00:22.56 | } | thank you jelly |
| 00:23.13 | jelly | you're welcome, left moustache |
| 00:23.22 | } | ... :o |
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| 00:34.32 | gnusosa | Hi is there a way for apt-get to fallback automatically to the next repo in the list of failed to fetch a package from the selected repo? |
| 00:34.32 | Brigo | XD |
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| 00:34.46 | gnusosa | s/of/if/ |
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| 00:37.06 | srg | gnusosa: Not that I know of. |
| 00:37.28 | srg | gnusosa: What mirror? httpredir.debian.org ? |
| 00:37.37 | gnusosa | any mirror |
| 00:38.00 | gnusosa | I'm not talking about of any failure in the current mirrors. |
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| 00:39.02 | srg | gnusosa: As far as I know, no. |
| 00:39.18 | gnusosa | oh ok thanks for the reply. |
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| 00:47.44 | phantomcircuit | just upgraded to jessie but cant run gnome-terminal as a regular user (root terminal works fine...) |
| 00:47.46 | phantomcircuit | Error constructing proxy for org.gnome.Terminal:/org/gnome/Terminal/Factory0: Error calling StartServiceByName for org.gnome.Terminal: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ChildExited: Process org.gnome.Terminal exited with status 8 |
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| 00:51.16 | phantomcircuit | Failed to register application: Unable to acquire bus name 'org.gnome.Terminal' |
| 00:51.18 | phantomcircuit | wat |
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| 00:57.44 | Brigo | phantomcircuit, does 'systemctl --failed' lists any unit? |
| 00:57.58 | somiaj | phantomcircuit: was wondering if it was a group permissions issue with your user. |
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| 00:59.33 | somiaj | getting forum hits that suggest your locale may not be configured correctly |
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| 01:03.47 | phantomcircuit | 0 loaded units listed. Pass --all to see loaded but inactive units, too. |
| 01:04.13 | phantomcircuit | somiaj, locale is correctly configured as en_US.UTF-8 |
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| 01:16.07 | Brigo | phantomcircuit, i really don't know what is happening in your system, i only can thing in check logs for a clue. |
| 01:18.19 | at0m | Brigo: "i only can thing in check clue"? i really don't know what is happening in your system. |
| 01:19.08 | Brigo | s/thing/think/ better? |
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| 01:19.20 | at0m | ew, my nicklist obfuscate part of your line, sorry :) |
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| 01:19.34 | Brigo | at0m, np :) |
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| 01:22.16 | kingsley__ | Does "xterm" have command line options that allow it to simultaneously... 1.) render UTF-8 characters, and 2.) specify a big and bold font? |
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| 01:24.28 | kingsley__ | At least for me, the "-fn" command line option (to specify a font name) seems to break the "-u8" command line option (for rendering UTF-8 characters). |
| 01:24.39 | darthanubis | I use aterm |
| 01:24.49 | darthanubis | whne not using a modern desktop |
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| 01:28.30 | kingsley__ | darthanubis: Does aterm support UTF-8? |
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| 01:28.56 | kingsley__ | Here's how to duplicate what I'm seeing with xterm... |
| 01:29.22 | kingsley__ | 1.) xterm -fn 9x15bold |
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| 01:30.52 | kingsley__ | 2.) Copy this with your mouse ... echo â |
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| 01:31.06 | kingsley__ | 2.) Paste it into the newly created xterm. |
| 01:31.12 | kingsley__ | 3.) Paste it into the newly created xterm. |
| 01:32.12 | kingsley__ | 4.) If your computer works like mine, it echos a blank. |
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| 01:32.37 | kingsley__ | 5.) Press ^d to exit the newly created xterm. |
| 01:32.37 | jdahm | I've run archlinux for at least 6 years now (happy with it), but I'm considering switching to debian sid mostly just to run something more like my colleagues. I've installed it and so far so good although the installer was doing too much thinking for me and didn't let me set up the bootloader and volumes the way I wanted. I'd like to have the package manager track just a few custom packages. Is there such thing as an emacs-git source |
| 01:32.37 | jdahm | package somewhere for debian? |
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| 01:33.22 | kingsley__ | 6.) Now run an xterm with utf-8 support by doing ... xterm -u8 |
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| 01:34.12 | kingsley__ | 7.) In that newly created xterm, I think you should be able to echo a utf-8 character by copying and pasting ... echo â |
| 01:34.24 | kingsley__ | 8.) Press ^d to exit the newly created xterm. |
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| 01:35.11 | kingsley__ | 9.) Now ask xterm to use a font *and* utf-8 with ... xterm -fn 9x15bold -u8 |
| 01:35.39 | kingsley__ | 10.) Paste ... echo â into it. |
| 01:35.39 | darthanubis | !spam |
| 01:35.40 | dpkg | it has been said that spam is a preferred environment. SPAM; Shut up, You damn Vikings! SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM, to destroy it, try <spamassassin> (spamd+spamc), <bogofilter>, <razor>/<pyzor>, <crm114> (but be ready to train it for a week), <dspam>, http://www.craphound.com/spamsolutions.txt . See also <greylisting>, <spf>, <list spam>. |
| 01:35.55 | darthanubis | !flood |
| 01:35.56 | dpkg | It's considered impolite to paste many lines of text on IRC. Please don't do it. Pasting one line is fine. Pasting two lines you can usually get away with. Pasting three lines will get you insulted. Pasting four or more lines will get you kicked. If you want to paste, ask me about <paste> |
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| 01:39.49 | kingsley__ | jdahm: Welcome. |
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| 01:41.14 | lyonsb | jdahm, I'm fairly sure there's an option in the installer to open a console and do custom things there if you want/need. You'll probably want to grab the build-depends via "apt-get build-dep <antioch-git>" --etc. |
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| 01:43.55 | lyonsb | jdahm, you can grab git and git clone the emacs-git source and then build from there, I think Debian has some automated build tools, but nothing quite as . . . accessible? as PKGBUILDs for taking your build and installing it with the package manager. At least, not as clear to me. |
| 01:44.43 | lyonsb | jdahm, this doesn't mean such tools don't exist, it just means I haven't found them / had to work with that aspect of tooling in Debian as much. |
| 01:47.04 | lyonsb | antioch-git would be for a holy handgrenade of course :) |
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| 01:48.57 | kingsley__ | jdahm: If I understand your question correctly, and if the custom packages are available from debian formatted package repositories, and if you're OK with being unable to update the rest of a sid installation, then maybe you could edit /etc/apt/sources.list to point at just the custom packages. |
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| 02:39.01 | eric23 | what media players are available in jessie? |
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| 02:39.52 | somiaj | eric23: a few, vlc is a popular one I know of. But I know there are a lot more. |
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| 02:41.53 | somiaj | eric23: https://wiki.debian.org/Multimedia hs some of them |
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| 02:51.08 | kingsley__ | eric23: Yes, I like vlc too. |
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| 02:54.47 | eric23 | The problem is why don't they show up in apt-cache search. When I try to install mplayer I get "E: Package 'mplayer' has no installation candidate". Same thing with mplayer2, exept it says mplayer replaces it. VLC is not available either. I am also missing xmonad and ratpoison. |
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| 02:58.35 | somiaj | eric23: yea that info is outdated, mplayer was replaced in jessie. |
| 03:00.06 | somiaj | eric23: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#obsolete -- mplayer should use either mplayer2 orthe suggestion is mpv being more active |
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| 03:04.44 | jdahm | lyonsb: thanks. I'll have to keep looking. I do really like spinning up a custom PKGBUILD... |
| 03:05.11 | dfacto | systemd is consuming an average of 70% of my CPU resources, how could I start to troubleshoot this? never used systemd before... |
| 03:05.20 | jdahm | kingsley__: I'd rather do it from local source code. I think I can probably do something like what the new developer guide suggestions for creating packages |
| 03:05.39 | jdahm | kingsley__: anyway, thanks for the reply. I'll let you know how it goes |
| 03:06.05 | somiaj | dfacto: its the actual systemd process, not something it spawed? Myabe start with journalctl and see what the logs are saying |
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| 03:07.36 | dfacto | somiaj correct, the process itself |
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| 03:15.06 | somiaj | dfacto: see anything in the logs, journalctl -n 100 |
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| 03:16.40 | dfacto | will do, brb |
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| 03:17.49 | superfast | hi |
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| 03:27.16 | nuentoter | hmmmmm well found the answer to my problem finally |
| 03:27.46 | nuentoter | the real question is wait for a new update in 2-3 weeks or format and go back to wheezy? |
| 03:27.51 | dfacto | somiaj well, i upgraded from 7.8 to 8, rebooted to load the new kernel and init system.. had the issue with systemd, rebooted again just in case, and it doesn't come back now. lmao. what a shitshow. it's just a sandbox, so ill deal with it tomorrow, thanks anyways |
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| 04:11.19 | kWO901 | does this cpu support 64bit? http://paste.debian.net/173583/ |
| 04:11.55 | themill | yes |
| 04:12.25 | kWO901 | themill: thx |
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| 04:13.06 | kWO901 | I run wheezy. does the Debian 8.0 worth installing ? |
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| 04:17.08 | at0m | kWO901: does migrating issues pose a risk? running serverd or lappy for browsing? read the changelog? |
| 04:17.50 | at0m | if server, apache has new configuration file. |
| 04:18.14 | kWO901 | at0m: laptop for browsing and porn |
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| 04:19.21 | tattoli | update it wont break anything |
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| 04:22.55 | kWO901 | I\ll keep wheezy as it works fine |
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| 05:53.55 | NiLon | and this is right after upgrade |
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| 06:20.04 | datniglet | evening everyone. got a touchscreen here that is doing some funny things. seems like it works for a couple of seconds - cursor follows my finger the way it's supposed to. then can only "click" wherever the mouse pointer is. NextWindow touchscreen using evdev. i can't get it to use the xf86-input-nextwindow driver because evdev seems to be whoring the device. any suggestions? |
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| 07:31.54 | lxsameer | guys how can I forcefully install libsane-common, I get this error when i try to fix the broken packages. http://dpaste.com/0SV7C02 |
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| 07:41.12 | themill | lxsameer: that sounds a lot like you are mixing packages designed for different releases. |
| 07:41.35 | lxsameer | themill: no not really I'm on unstable |
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| 07:43.18 | themill | !btssmite lxsameer |
| 07:43.18 | dpkg | beats lxsameer around the head repeatedly with http://bugs.debian.org/ and apt-listbugs, along with a chainsaw if lxsameer is running testing or unstable |
| 07:43.53 | lxsameer | themill: ;) |
| 07:44.12 | themill | #784763 plus the other four dupes |
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| 07:50.21 | colbyftp | morning folks, need help to mutli boot multiple linux distros, have UEFI firmware, know to create ESP partition, but after that I dont know |
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| 08:02.40 | quarterback | Greetings, I get a filter error while loading iptables firewall rules with the command, iptables-restore < /etc/iptables/iptables.test.rules . Error line is below: |
| 08:02.41 | quarterback | 'ptables-restore v1.4.14: iptables-restore: unable to initialize table 'filter |
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| 08:03.31 | quarterback | There is a line with the contents *filter at the beginning of iptables.test.rules , what to do to get this to work? I'm running debian 7 64 |
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| 08:11.55 | ShadowKatStudios | so uh |
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| 08:12.03 | ShadowKatStudios | I'm trying to install 7.8 from a CD |
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| 08:12.55 | ShadowKatStudios | and it's only giving me 'standard operating system ulilities' in the software selection |
| 08:13.00 | ShadowKatStudios | and that won't install anyway |
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| 08:14.08 | mo1991reg | for anyone who cares - here are the new compiz .9 repositories that will eventually be loaded into sid or experimental. Compiz seems to work fine on jessie with very low overhead. Emerald is glitchy so don't use. |
| 08:14.23 | mo1991reg | deb http://debian.hypra.fr/debian jessie main |
| 08:14.33 | mo1991reg | deb-src http://debian.hypra.fr/debian jessie main |
| 08:15.13 | mo1991reg | packaged for Jessie - just waiting for debian to upload them. They have already been uploaded by kasamak to alioth |
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| 08:17.51 | mo1991reg | crazy low overhead for compiz on xfce 4.10. Like 1 or 2% of CPU |
| 08:18.03 | mo1991reg | way less than older version that were in debian |
| 08:18.23 | mo1991reg | older .8 version of compiz that is |
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| 08:22.17 | quarterback | I get a filter error while loading iptables firewall rules with the command, iptables-restore < /etc/iptables/iptables.test.rules . Error line is below:'ptables-restore v1.4.14: iptables-restore: unable to initialize table 'filter. Is there a way t load iptables rules? |
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| 08:24.11 | quarterback | iptables-persistent seems to provide default rules at /etc/iptables/rules.v4 |
| 08:24.24 | quarterback | Do i edit those files and restart iptables? |
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| 08:27.03 | Rephlexie | is the module loaded? |
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| 08:31.47 | quarterback | Rephlexie : Yes, the module is loaded, how I check? with modprobe? |
| 08:32.08 | ZIPY | hi, what is the debian desktop enviroment package in the installer? i only want xfce, do i have to select both? |
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| 08:33.14 | Rephlexie | quarterback, yup modprobe ip_tables |
| 08:33.51 | Rephlexie | ZIPY, which dist? |
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| 08:35.01 | quarterback | Rephlexie: Iget this error: libkmod: ERROR ../libkmod/libkmod.c:505 kmod_lookup_alias_from_builtin_file: could not open builtin file '/lib/modules/2.6.32-042stab103.6/modules.builtin.bin' |
| 08:35.01 | quarterback | FATAL: Module ip_tables not found. |
| 08:35.55 | ZIPY | Rephlexie: in the jessie netinstaller where you can choose all the DEs, the first selection |
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| 08:37.23 | Rephlexie | ZIPY, ahh, well its kind of up to you, personally if I am going to run something other than the DDE I uncheck the entire thing and do it from scratch |
| 08:37.57 | akronix | Hi folks! can you tell me whether when you install a .deb package the SHA checksum is checked? |
| 08:37.59 | quarterback | Rephlexie: Could you please check what is causing the error? |
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| 08:38.03 | ZIPY | Rephlexie: ye thats what i prefer too, just wanted to know what is included in the DDE to make sure im not missing sth |
| 08:39.28 | Rephlexie | quarterback, well either the module isnt loading or your table is formatted weird. Process of elimination for you I'd bet. |
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| 08:40.00 | quarterback | Rephlexie : How do I fix this , i get default firewall settings when I run iptables -L |
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| 08:40.21 | Rephlexie | quarterback, Did you write you own table by hand? |
| 08:40.40 | quarterback | Rephlexie: Yes but it isn't loaded with iptables-restore |
| 08:41.07 | quarterback | Rephlexie: Right now , no table is loaded in iptables. |
| 08:41.29 | Rephlexie | quarterback, sudo iptables -L -n errors out? |
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| 08:43.58 | quarterback | Rephlexie : http://pastebin.com/puU2mK42 is the output of the command sudo iptables -L -n |
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| 08:44.58 | Rephlexie | Ok, so it is loaded then, that good. My guess is that your table is formated weird. |
| 08:45.41 | Rephlexie | Same error here with solution: http://askubuntu.com/questions/28215/how-can-i-fix-the-iptables-error-message-unable-to-initialize-table-filter |
| 08:47.56 | quarterback | Rephlexie : Is it something to do with a text editor? I had used notepad++ to edit the rules file and upload it to my server with ftp. |
| 08:48.14 | quarterback | Rphlexie: Is it a source formatting issue? |
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| 08:49.24 | Rephlexie | Yeah that my guess. |
| 08:50.16 | Rephlexie | Its been a while since I wrote my own, but I remeber having to use a utility after I VI'd it. |
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| 08:51.47 | quarterback | Rephlexie: I am trying EOL conversion of the file for unix/linux. Let me check if that works. |
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| 08:52.38 | udevd | how to install ffmpeg on jessis? https://packages.debian.org/jessie/ffmpeg indicates that there is no such package... |
| 08:52.40 | Rephlexie | I love NP++ but it seems to always put some screwy character at the end of the document when making tables. That might be it |
| 08:53.33 | quarterback | There should be two bytes which indicate EOL I think, carriage return and page feed, I dont recall their exact formatting. |
| 08:54.37 | Rephlexie | Yeah its gotta be a formatting issue like that, just count yourself lucky it isnt a module issue. |
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| 09:00.46 | quarterback | Rephlexie: It worked, thanks. The problem was with filesystem, the file was edited for windows but the end of line characters had a different format in linux, the same with EOL bytes too. |
| 09:01.09 | quarterback | I meant EOF bytes too |
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| 09:02.52 | Rephlexie | Dude, that awesome, glad it worked out! |
| 09:03.30 | quarterback | Rephlexie: DO you know if swap is necessary in debian 7, The memory consumption is 31 MB and swap has 21 MB, I have enough ram, can I disable swap totally? |
| 09:03.42 | quarterback | I wonder why swap is enabled when there is enough RAM. |
| 09:04.59 | jerichowasahoax | quarterback: `sudo swapoff /dev/${SWAP}` and run it that way for a bit, see if anything breaks |
| 09:05.12 | ghormoon | I te4nd to disable swap on my laptop, though if you run out of ram, expect oom :) |
| 09:05.29 | quarterback | jerichowasahoax: What would break if swap is disabled? |
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| 09:05.56 | ZIPY | quarterback: if u want to use hybernate, you need the swap |
| 09:06.17 | jerichowasahoax | quarterback: also you may be interested in dos2unix for switching your line endings between CRLF (Windows) and LF (Unix) |
| 09:06.30 | quarterback | Zipy: Hybernation is not enabled, the server has been up for 3 days , I want to run it for years without off. |
| 09:06.41 | jerichowasahoax | quarterback: as mentioned, hibernation and OOM if you use large quantities of RAM |
| 09:06.49 | quarterback | jerichowasahoax : I have notepad++ which can edit files for unix. |
| 09:07.17 | jerichowasahoax | quarterback: dos2unix is one of those Unix Philosophy tools that *only* does line ending changes |
| 09:07.32 | quarterback | I edit files with nano usually |
| 09:07.50 | ghormoon | Vi(m) is better :P |
| 09:08.06 | jerichowasahoax | quarterback: I don't know how straight forward it is in NP++ (I've always been a vim guy) but if the only thing you need to do to a file is get rid of Windows CRs dos2unix is incredible |
| 09:08.12 | jerichowasahoax | (also usable in scripts) |
| 09:08.14 | ZIPY | quarterback: well if you have enaugh ram and wont need it you can turn it off to save some space. it depends what you use your ram for, for example video editing can eat huge amounts |
| 09:08.47 | ghormoon | Or if you compile big proj |
| 09:08.48 | quarterback | jerichowasahoax : nano is probably the best editor in linux, very easy to control, navigate and save, modify files. |
| 09:08.58 | ghormoon | Ects, i've encountered oom when compiling android |
| 09:09.09 | quarterback | jerichowasahoax: I strongly recommened nano if you like to edit files at the terminal. |
| 09:09.21 | jerichowasahoax | I wouldn't say best, but it's most certainly the *easiest* terminal editor |
| 09:09.28 | ZIPY | quarterback: i like nano, too. but I always catch laughs from the vim users xD |
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| 09:09.53 | jerichowasahoax | Vim can do some serious wizard nonsense once you get past that looming brick wall colloquially referred to as a learning curve :V |
| 09:09.57 | quarterback | jerichowasahoax: Certainly the easiest editor |
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| 09:10.13 | ghormoon | True that about vim :) |
| 09:10.42 | ZIPY | i have a good cheatsheet for vim if someone wants x) |
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| 09:11.36 | ghormoon | Vimtutor? :) |
| 09:11.50 | quarterback | jerichowasahoax: I get a not a superusr for sudo swapoff /dev/${SWAP} even if I run the command as root |
| 09:12.11 | ghormoon | You dont need to sudo as root |
| 09:12.25 | ghormoon | It may even fail of you dont have sudo installed :P |
| 09:12.36 | jerichowasahoax | quarterback: I generally use "sudo" as a prefix for "this command needs root privileges", because generally people see sudo and get what I'm getting at :V |
| 09:12.55 | quarterback | jerichowasahoax : I get this error, swapoff: Not superuser. |
| 09:13.40 | jerichowasahoax | quarterback: You are replacing ${SWAP} with the name of your actual swap partition, right? e.g. sda1 if that's where it is? |
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| 09:13.54 | jerichowasahoax | quarterback: I get that's not what the error's saying but maybe swapoff can't into error message |
| 09:14.21 | quarterback | jerichowasahoax : I dont know where the swap partition is, this is a vps |
| 09:15.01 | jerichowasahoax | quarterback: `swapon` with no arguments should tell you |
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| 09:15.11 | ZIPY | vim cheatsheet: https://www.dropbox.com/s/krvf0g9l5mh5u57/vim%20cheat%20sheat.png?dl=0 |
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| 09:17.31 | jerichowasahoax | should really head for bed now |
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| 09:20.15 | jonesii | hello - I keep getting error message rt2700 firmware missing - when I boot it also goes into fsck error 2. I think I will reinstall debian but how can I avoid this issue? |
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| 09:21.06 | Valko | Backup your OS. |
| 09:21.17 | quarterback | Rephlexie: Somehow a port I enabled in iptables is not visible when I type iptables -L |
| 09:21.56 | Rephlexie | quarterback, sudo iptables -L -n doesnt list it? |
| 09:22.37 | quarterback | Rephlexie: No, but I can connect on that port. |
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| 09:24.10 | quarterback | Rephlexie : I dont have sudo, as I am on debian |
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| 09:26.10 | starbuck | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:27.13 | Rephlexie | this your own box or are you ssh'd in? |
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| 09:31.59 | quarterback | Rephlexie: I am on ssh to a remote debian vps |
| 09:32.21 | quarterback | Rephlexie : port 6667 is not visible in the output for iptables -L |
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| 09:51.55 | anddam | can I use the (currently one) debian system I'm using on this machine into a xen dom0? |
| 09:52.30 | anddam | I'm thinking about adding more OS to this desktop and I wonder if using xen is a viable alternative |
| 09:52.46 | anddam | I would fire/shutdown domU rather than rebooting into a system |
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| 09:56.39 | AngeFede | salut la foule |
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| 09:59.03 | centrx | Anyone home? |
| 09:59.21 | centrx | Any major breakages on testing at the moment? |
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| 10:04.26 | t4nk793 | HI |
| 10:04.36 | Krakakanok | hello t4nk793 |
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| 10:04.44 | t4nk793 | I use Ubuntu and I have a little problem with grub2 |
| 10:05.14 | t4nk793 | Grub2 wait for a device before the grub menu appear |
| 10:05.32 | t4nk793 | if he doesn't find it, I have grub rescue |
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| 10:06.26 | t4nk793 | I want grub to not wait for a device |
| 10:06.31 | t4nk793 | is it possible ? |
| 10:09.26 | t4nk793 | Why grub is expect a device before showing grub menu ? |
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| 10:11.38 | centrx | t4nk793, 1. Ubuntu, see #ubuntu - 2. It's probably something you can configure in the configuration file |
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| 10:12.41 | t4nk793 | OK, I will see in the Ubuntu channel |
| 10:12.48 | Krakakanok | t4nk793 read this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1195275 |
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| 10:31.13 | markand | hello |
| 10:31.21 | markand | can I remove exim? I guess I don't really need it |
| 10:31.40 | teraflop | markand: why do you think such thing? |
| 10:31.43 | fender0107401 | I also want to remove that before. |
| 10:31.52 | fender0107401 | but I think I should keep it |
| 10:31.53 | markand | because I don't need a mail server on my laptop |
| 10:32.04 | fender0107401 | at least cron need it |
| 10:32.26 | markand | wasn't cron deprecated in favor of systemd timers? |
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| 10:32.39 | markand | I have not cron running on my laptop |
| 10:32.53 | markand | ah yes it is running, nevermind :P |
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| 10:33.28 | fender0107401 | if you think that is useless, you should install it, when you installing your systen=, in the last steps, you can select what to install. |
| 10:33.32 | teraflop | markand: if you type `mail` what happens? |
| 10:33.48 | fender0107401 | you can select nothing, and exim will not be installed. |
| 10:34.02 | markand | I have one mail telling me that I failed a sudo command :P |
| 10:34.07 | teraflop | markand: and as root? |
| 10:34.18 | markand | oh I wonder how I can link the exim local mailboxes to GNOME Evolution |
| 10:34.24 | markand | no mail for root |
| 10:34.36 | fender0107401 | see, exim is useful |
| 10:35.14 | teraflop | I personaly let exim stay there, anyway it's your machine |
| 10:35.19 | markand | oh by the way |
| 10:35.28 | markand | how can I access /var/log/maillog from systemd now? |
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| 10:38.51 | valdyn | markand: theres no maillog |
| 10:39.13 | valdyn | markand: maybe you mean /var/log/mail/ |
| 10:39.27 | markand | I wonder why sending a mail to root@localhost gives them to my user |
| 10:39.50 | valdyn | markand: because of the contents of your /etc/aliases |
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| 10:40.06 | markand | ah yes |
| 10:40.14 | markand | that is the debian installer which set that I guess |
| 10:41.30 | markand | in fact I was searching which services I can disable when doing systemd-analyze blame |
| 10:41.40 | bolt | markand: /etc/aliases |
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| 10:41.48 | bolt | oh. nvm |
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| 10:41.49 | markand | it's incredible how fast debian is contrary to fedora |
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| 10:42.00 | markand | fedora boots in somewhat 20seconds on my laptop |
| 10:42.03 | markand | debian is 4seconds |
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| 10:42.33 | valdyn | your fedora has no systemd? |
| 10:42.36 | markand | yes it has |
| 10:42.42 | markand | but it has much more useless services |
| 10:42.48 | bolt | markand: while debian is great and all, i doubt there's a magic bullet in there that makes your laptop faster. if fedora runs slower, it probably does more |
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| 10:43.13 | markand | fedora does auto fetching for updates in background using services |
| 10:43.13 | valdyn | markand: thats just the default install, you can remove or install packages and services in both of those... |
| 10:43.31 | markand | but anyway, I much more prefer debian than fedora :) |
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| 10:43.38 | markand | though I was using fedora since 2003 |
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| 10:43.53 | teraflop | markand: that's weird if you run the same services, unless some mess is happening n the fedora box |
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| 10:44.29 | markand | I had also a problem in fedora that does a fsck at each boot (because of clock failure) but even that fixed, it was still slow :P |
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| 10:45.30 | teraflop | markand: i have a debian 8 ssd machine, it boots in ... = 2.250s |
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| 10:45.42 | websly | hello, anyone here have exp with installing debian to usb(not live usb). Mine wont boot and 'failover' to the HDD. Ive done the same with fedora and everything worked perfectly |
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| 10:46.12 | SynrG | explain what you mean by that |
| 10:46.16 | markand | debian 8 <3 |
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| 10:46.51 | websly | I installed debian on a 32gb usb 3.0 and cant boot from it |
| 10:46.56 | ShadowKatStudios | websly, I run Debian from a USB for the purposes of quake, what issues are you having? |
| 10:47.00 | websly | its a full install. not live usb |
| 10:47.32 | websly | I select the machine to boot from the usb, it hangs for 2 seconds and then goes on to boot from the original HDD |
| 10:47.32 | SynrG | websly: ok. your sentence was ambiguous. i thought "boot and failover" was something you complained it wouldn't do. now i understand. |
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| 10:47.40 | websly | ah yes sorry |
| 10:47.55 | websly | Ive done a full install of fedora on exactly the same usb and it worked gret |
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| 10:48.22 | websly | Ive retried the install about 4 times in total |
| 10:48.31 | websly | well. 2x with Kali and 2x with debian |
| 10:48.34 | SynrG | does your bios have a means of selecting boot device from a menu at boot time? |
| 10:48.38 | websly | yeah |
| 10:48.46 | SynrG | so when you select the USB, it doesn't boot |
| 10:49.15 | websly | not with the full debian on it. It does work with my full fedora and with live usb's |
| 10:49.35 | SynrG | did you install grub to the usb? |
| 10:50.01 | SynrG | specifically to the device node, not any partitions you might have on it |
| 10:50.27 | websly | All Ive done is boot from live usb and select a second usb as install destination for the full install |
| 10:50.36 | websly | would I also have to do something with grub? |
| 10:50.49 | websly | I thought that would be done automatiscally during the full install |
| 10:50.51 | SynrG | the live installer should've done something with grub, but maybe that step failed |
| 10:50.57 | SynrG | it should've prompted you |
| 10:51.03 | websly | hmm |
| 10:51.13 | SynrG | did you use the installer from the boot menu of the live image, or from the desktop? |
| 10:51.18 | websly | I tried the install multiple times |
| 10:51.20 | websly | both |
| 10:51.24 | websly | tried both 2x |
| 10:51.57 | SynrG | so it sounds like grub is messed on it. you could boot from the live, chroot into the installed system, and fix it up |
| 10:52.22 | websly | Ill check that out |
| 10:52.26 | SynrG | one important thing is to make sure devices.map maps the usb device properly |
| 10:52.44 | SynrG | another is to ensure grub locates the USB properly (by UUID, not by /dev/sd#) |
| 10:52.46 | websly | ok thanks |
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| 10:53.58 | SynrG | if you need assistance with this operation, probably best to set it up from the live, and then join here, prepared to show us via paste.debian.net any of the relevant configs. |
| 10:54.44 | websly | ok ill do that brb |
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| 10:58.50 | websly | hello. back |
| 10:59.40 | websly | so Im booted from a live usb, but also have the usb with the full install attached |
| 10:59.55 | SynrG | yeah. so you mount that somewhere (if it didn't get automatically mounted) |
| 10:59.57 | SynrG | and chroot into it |
| 11:00.48 | SynrG | need help with those steps? |
| 11:01.54 | websly | tried mounting it, but I guess debian based systems auto mount it. Im looking for the mount to point |
| 11:02.05 | websly | mount point* |
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| 11:04.44 | websly | is there a command to unmount all mount points associated with for example /dev/sdc ? |
| 11:05.01 | SynrG | umount /dev/sdc |
| 11:05.06 | SynrG | oh |
| 11:05.06 | websly | ah... |
| 11:05.09 | SynrG | partitions ... |
| 11:05.14 | SynrG | iterate, per partition :) |
| 11:05.17 | websly | k |
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| 11:05.40 | SynrG | sorry. on a USB it's possible to have a partitionless key and one filesystem on /dev/sdc but that's not the case here :) |
| 11:05.54 | websly | only /dev/sdc2 |
| 11:05.59 | websly | no sdc1 to be found |
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| 11:06.12 | websly | nothing to worry about? |
| 11:06.24 | SynrG | probably used for swap? |
| 11:06.35 | SynrG | did you just accept defaults for guided partitioning? |
| 11:06.40 | websly | yeah |
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| 11:06.46 | websly | ill just unmount it in gparted |
| 11:06.58 | SynrG | don't really need to unmount it for this part of the exercise ... |
| 11:07.09 | websly | ah, so sdc1 is the mount partition |
| 11:07.14 | websly | sdc3 is swap |
| 11:07.18 | SynrG | ok |
| 11:07.39 | SynrG | we need to mount the root filesystem of the installed system, chroot into it and see /boot/grub/device.map |
| 11:07.51 | SynrG | also, /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
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| 11:09.23 | websly | ups, I may have put in the wrong usb. When putting in the other(which might be correct) I get a message saying that the |
| 11:09.35 | websly | sdc contains GPT signatures |
| 11:09.52 | SynrG | ah |
| 11:09.57 | websly | but that the valid fake msdos table is not present |
| 11:10.07 | SynrG | hmm |
| 11:10.26 | SynrG | well, once you have the right USB inserted, let me know :) |
| 11:10.40 | websly | ok 1 sec :) |
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| 11:12.11 | SynrG | your /boot/grub/device.map should *not* say (hd0) /dev/sdc (or similar) because on a USB you can't be sure the device node will always be that. it needs to be the path to the uuid node that udev creates |
| 11:12.17 | websly | ok false alarm. that was the installation usb |
| 11:12.46 | websly | so what does to 'chroot' mean actually? |
| 11:13.43 | SynrG | !chroot |
| 11:13.43 | dpkg | To chroot into your Debian system boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2). Mount your root filesystem with "mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target" and make /dev, /proc and /sys usable with "mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys". You can then chroot into the system with "chroot /target". |
| 11:13.55 | websly | ok I mounted the partition to /mnt/usb |
| 11:14.07 | SynrG | actually i don't like that method |
| 11:14.15 | SynrG | i prefer using bind mounts |
| 11:14.32 | websly | I did "mount /dev/sdc2 /mnt/usb" none of that fancy stuff |
| 11:14.59 | websly | oh its just a FS indicator |
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| 11:15.49 | websly | that partition doesnt have a "/boot/grub/device.map" |
| 11:15.54 | SynrG | you can: mount -B /dev /mnt/usb/dev && mount -B /dev/pts /mnt/usb/dev/pts && mount -B /sys /mnt/usb/sys && mount -B /proc /mnt/usb/proc |
| 11:15.55 | websly | device.map isnt present |
| 11:16.14 | SynrG | interesting. sounds like it failed the grub install step :( |
| 11:16.15 | websly | ah wait. I guess that one is maybe in the first partition? |
| 11:16.25 | SynrG | do you have multiple partitions? |
| 11:17.06 | SynrG | after the bind mounts are set up (all the mount -B above) you just 'chroot /mnt/usb' |
| 11:17.14 | websly | according to gparted: 1=512MB fat32 with the boot flag. 2=the large space. 3=swap.4=empty |
| 11:17.23 | SynrG | that's assuming /mnt/usb is the mounted root filesystem |
| 11:17.24 | websly | 2=the actually install destination |
| 11:17.28 | websly | yeah |
| 11:17.42 | SynrG | if you mounted the wrong filesystem, unmount it and mount the right one |
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| 11:18.30 | websly | its the correct one. |
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| 11:18.40 | SynrG | ok. do the bind mounts, then the chroot. then we can proceed ... |
| 11:18.49 | websly | what does "mount -B /dev /mnt/usb/dev && mount -B /dev/pts /mnt/usb/dev/pts && mount -B /sys /mnt/usb/sys && mount -B /proc /mnt/usb/proc" do? |
| 11:19.09 | SynrG | it makes all of those available inside the chroot |
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| 11:19.20 | SynrG | it's superior to the method from the chroot factoid |
| 11:19.22 | websly | ok did that. so now chroot /dev/usb? |
| 11:19.26 | SynrG | yep |
| 11:19.30 | SynrG | no |
| 11:19.33 | SynrG | chroot /mnt/usb |
| 11:19.35 | websly | k done |
| 11:19.42 | websly | ah yes |
| 11:19.44 | websly | thats what I meant |
| 11:19.57 | SynrG | so you have no /boot/grub/device.map, you say? |
| 11:20.10 | websly | nope |
| 11:20.23 | websly | fonts/ grub.cfg grubenv locale/ unicode.pf2 x86_64-efi/ |
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| 11:20.31 | websly | thats all in /boot/grub |
| 11:20.37 | SynrG | grub-install /dev/sdc |
| 11:20.49 | websly | still in chroot? |
| 11:20.51 | SynrG | yes |
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| 11:21.13 | websly | grub-install: error: cannot find EFI directory. |
| 11:21.26 | SynrG | ah. so we're in an EFI system |
| 11:21.30 | SynrG | !efi |
| 11:21.30 | dpkg | Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) is a firmware interface specification, intended to replace the <BIOS> firmware interface. Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later releases support installation in (U)EFI mode on 64-bit PC systems (amd64), <secure boot> is currently not supported. http://www.uefi.org/ |
| 11:21.40 | SynrG | that's probably the root of the problem |
| 11:21.45 | websly | I have secure boot disabled |
| 11:22.11 | websly | the newest fedora wasnt a problem |
| 11:22.40 | SynrG | should work on debian too |
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| 11:22.44 | Twinkletoes | This might be a #vmware question, but as far as hardware type goes, the highest I can choose for Debian is 6.x, whereas there are generic options for Ubuntu (no version specified) and "Other Linux". Does it matter which I choose? |
| 11:22.47 | SynrG | it's just the live image that has problems with it |
| 11:23.02 | SynrG | so had you used the normal debian netinst, we wouldn't have this issue |
| 11:23.31 | websly | ok, so because I used the full live usb to do the install I got this problem? |
| 11:23.33 | SynrG | bear with me for a minute ... looking stuff up ... |
| 11:23.40 | SynrG | we ought to be able to fix it |
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| 11:23.56 | SynrG | but i have no EFI systems and haven't done this sort of rescue before |
| 11:24.52 | websly | The strange thing is that I have the same problem with 2 different iso.(the kali one and the debian one) |
| 11:25.19 | SynrG | is the grub-efi package installed? |
| 11:25.39 | websly | on the live usb right now? |
| 11:26.05 | SynrG | inside the chroot |
| 11:26.13 | SynrG | just, dpkg -l grub-efi |
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| 11:26.47 | SynrG | ls -l /sys/firmware/efi |
| 11:26.52 | SynrG | this shows if the system booted in EFI mode |
| 11:27.50 | SynrG | you said earlier there is a first partition that's msdos. is that supposed to be your EFI partition? |
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| 11:28.12 | SynrG | if so, i guess it would need to be mounted at /boot/efi |
| 11:28.13 | websly | I get a list of files with the ls command |
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| 11:28.24 | SynrG | yeah. so that's correct. you're in EFI mode |
| 11:28.42 | websly | in chroot: no files in /boot/efi |
| 11:29.02 | SynrG | right |
| 11:29.23 | SynrG | guided must've known you were in EFI mode and created an EFI partition |
| 11:29.26 | websly | its not very clear whether grub-efi is install or not |
| 11:29.35 | SynrG | otherwise, you'd normally have only the root filesystem and swap |
| 11:29.49 | SynrG | in the chroot did you dpkg -l grub-efi? |
| 11:29.55 | websly | yes |
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| 11:29.57 | SynrG | the first two columns should be 'ii' |
| 11:30.30 | websly | maybe im looking at an error |
| 11:30.42 | websly | what was the copypaste link at debian.com? |
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| 11:31.09 | SynrG | paste.debian.net |
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| 11:31.36 | SynrG | it might not have grub-efi. the live installer can only install what's on the live image ... |
| 11:32.07 | SynrG | and since the live images have no EFI support, it's likely grub-efi isn't there even though the installer might've detected it was EFI and tried to install |
| 11:32.19 | SynrG | i suspect there were errors thrown into a log somewhere, but then not shown to you |
| 11:32.25 | websly | http://paste.debian.net/173769/ |
| 11:32.43 | SynrG | right. install that now: |
| 11:32.54 | SynrG | you want: apt-get install grub-efi |
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| 11:33.19 | SynrG | that's still inside the chroot |
| 11:33.30 | websly | yes |
| 11:33.33 | SynrG | er, wait |
| 11:33.42 | SynrG | prior to that i think we need the efi partition mounted |
| 11:33.46 | websly | Media change: please insert the disc labeled |
| 11:34.02 | websly | etc etc.. press enter |
| 11:34.24 | websly | ok. is the efi peratition the one with the boot flag? |
| 11:34.28 | SynrG | in a second terminal window (not in chroot) ... we can mount that presumed EFI partition |
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| 11:34.44 | websly | does it matter where I mount it? |
| 11:34.50 | SynrG | yeah, it does |
| 11:35.02 | SynrG | if you're missing the mountpoint, you need to create it |
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| 11:35.13 | SynrG | that is, mkdir /mnt/usb/boot/efi |
| 11:35.28 | SynrG | and mount /dev/sdc1 /mnt/usb/boot/efi |
| 11:35.58 | websly | ok done |
| 11:36.33 | websly | so now install grub-efi? |
| 11:36.34 | SynrG | is there anything in that directory now? |
| 11:36.35 | SynrG | well |
| 11:36.41 | SynrG | not sure yet |
| 11:36.50 | websly | yes |
| 11:37.01 | websly | EFI folder and a systerm info file |
| 11:37.32 | websly | thats everything in EFI |
| 11:37.39 | websly | ups |
| 11:37.47 | websly | . /boot/efi/EFI/debian/grubx64.efi |
| 11:37.55 | SynrG | lovely! |
| 11:38.00 | SynrG | so yes, i think we can proceed |
| 11:38.10 | websly | k ill do the grub-efi install now |
| 11:38.29 | SynrG | from within the chroot, remember |
| 11:38.33 | websly | yes |
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| 11:38.52 | websly | again the message asking me to insert a CD |
| 11:39.00 | SynrG | i don't know what that's for |
| 11:39.03 | SynrG | labelled what? |
| 11:39.17 | websly | http://paste.debian.net/173776/ |
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| 11:39.47 | SynrG | oh, strange that it should have the DVD 1 apt lines in there |
| 11:40.00 | SynrG | check your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 11:40.03 | websly | So I guess the boot system is looking for a wrong nae? |
| 11:40.06 | SynrG | if there are any cdrom lines, comment them out |
| 11:40.17 | SynrG | also confirm there are valid deb lines pointing at a networked repo |
| 11:40.23 | SynrG | probably http.debian.net |
| 11:40.33 | SynrG | !jessie sources.list |
| 11:40.33 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
| 11:40.41 | SynrG | websly: should look like the above ^^ |
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| 11:40.49 | SynrG | after that, apt-get update |
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| 11:41.27 | SynrG | (ah, they've changed http.debian.net -> httpredire.debian.org ... that's new ...) |
| 11:41.31 | SynrG | httpredir* |
| 11:41.35 | websly | ok . how do I save and quit from nano? |
| 11:41.41 | SynrG | ^X |
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| 11:41.44 | SynrG | press enter on the filename |
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| 11:42.10 | websly | ok works |
| 11:42.22 | websly | running the update |
| 11:42.38 | websly | and then ill try the grub-efi install again |
| 11:42.48 | SynrG | with luck we solve this in roughly 5 minutes because then i gotta go :) |
| 11:42.49 | SynrG | yup |
| 11:43.04 | SynrG | and if i can't see you through to the end, other helpers here need to take it up |
| 11:43.11 | websly | install worked |
| 11:43.20 | SynrG | ok. verify /boot/grub/device.map |
| 11:43.21 | websly | :S ok :) |
| 11:43.42 | SynrG | i'm hoping hd0 maps to something like /dev/disk/by-id/blahblah |
| 11:43.43 | websly | no device.map |
| 11:43.51 | SynrG | well, i don't actually know how grub-efi works |
| 11:44.22 | SynrG | ah: grub-install /dev/sdc |
| 11:44.34 | SynrG | i don't know if the grub-efi postinst actually runs that or not |
| 11:44.46 | websly | outside of chroot right? |
| 11:44.59 | SynrG | inside |
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| 11:45.07 | ShadowKatStudios | So I have a storage server and a machine with a small amount of flash. What's the best way to access the storage server's storage over a network? |
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| 11:45.45 | SynrG | ShadowKatStudios: probably NFS, but it depends on what the storage server supports |
| 11:45.48 | Brigo | ShadowKatStudios, that depends on what do you want that storage for. |
| 11:45.50 | websly | k done |
| 11:45.59 | websly | no installation finished. errors reported |
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| 11:46.02 | websly | no errors* |
| 11:46.06 | ShadowKatStudios | Well, it's ~300GB of RAID5 on another debian box. |
| 11:46.10 | SynrG | ShadowKatStudios: in some situations SMB is more convenient |
| 11:46.25 | ShadowKatStudios | I'd prefer it to be transparent and fast. |
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| 11:46.46 | websly | but no device.map |
| 11:46.52 | SynrG | yeah. i didn't expect it |
| 11:46.58 | SynrG | grub-mkdevicemap or some such |
| 11:47.15 | websly | sudo grub-mkdevicemap? |
| 11:47.16 | websly | ah ok |
| 11:47.20 | websly | was just looking it up |
| 11:47.22 | SynrG | heh |
| 11:47.23 | websly | ok ill do that |
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| 11:47.43 | SynrG | 2 minutes from having to leave ... |
| 11:47.47 | SynrG | and finally, update-grub |
| 11:47.52 | SynrG | (again inside chroot) |
| 11:47.58 | websly | worked |
| 11:47.59 | websly | yes |
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| 11:48.05 | SynrG | i think that's it |
| 11:48.23 | SynrG | exit the chroot, undo the bind mounts, unmount the /mnt/usb and reboot |
| 11:48.31 | websly | aAdding boot menu entry for EFI firmware configuration |
| 11:48.33 | websly | niceee |
| 11:48.37 | websly | thanks! :D |
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| 11:48.45 | SynrG | if we screwed up some step, hopefully someone here can help |
| 11:48.48 | SynrG | good luck! |
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| 11:48.52 | websly | thx |
| 11:49.03 | websly | wait 1 more Q, how to undo the bind mounts? |
| 11:50.13 | Brigo | websly, unmount /directory, as usual. |
| 11:50.25 | websly | ahk |
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| 11:52.12 | websly | ok here it goes.. (after copy pasting the entire chat for the future:) ) |
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| 11:55.37 | g00se | Only very occasionally, the process hangs when i run java. This has just happened and now lsof seems to be hanging too - what could be afoot? |
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| 11:57.13 | Brigo | g00se, wrong window? |
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| 11:58.18 | g00se | Not quite with you there ... |
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| 11:59.25 | Brigo | g00se, so it was actually a question? :) |
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| 11:59.48 | K-202 | Any way to set minimum interval between mouse double click in Debian 8 / XFCE? |
| 12:00.13 | g00se | Yes |
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| 12:00.35 | g00se | (The clue is in the question mark) |
| 12:01.05 | K-202 | XFCE allows you to change maximum interval time |
| 12:01.08 | K-202 | but I need minimum |
| 12:01.18 | Brigo | g00se, then tell me, please what process it that hangs? |
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| 12:03.44 | g00se | The process is - java |
| 12:04.08 | g00se | ... and now lsof |
| 12:05.18 | g00se | Actually i see kernel messages related to the (imo) buggy fuse |
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| 12:07.18 | joncol | How to enable natural scrolling (inverted mouse wheel) in Debian? I'm running gnome, and I've gotten natural scrolling to work for most applications using xmodmap. But gnome apps still don't respect my xmodmap settings. |
| 12:07.34 | g00se | Actually - nm - i think i know the reason |
| 12:07.50 | Brigo | g00se, nm? |
| 12:07.58 | g00se | == never mind |
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| 12:19.24 | shifty779 | joncol: my experience suggests gnome is unlikely to play nicely with xmodmap. |
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| 12:21.18 | shifty779 | joncol: (I say that not to discourage, only as a "I feel your pain, bro") |
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| 12:23.49 | joncol | .quit |
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| 12:28.33 | Agiofws | hello |
| 12:28.49 | Agiofws | a terminal program to see values of keys pressed? |
| 12:28.52 | Agiofws | xev? |
| 12:32.48 | Krakakanok | xbindkeys |
| 12:33.25 | Agiofws | ok |
| 12:38.37 | Agiofws | how can i see the value of backspace ? in linux shell? |
| 12:38.37 | Agiofws | a* |
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| 12:41.30 | teraflop | Agiofws: xev |
| 12:42.32 | teraflop | Agiofws: you only want the keycode? |
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| 12:42.49 | Agiofws | i'd like its ascii value |
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| 12:44.41 | shifty779 | Agiofws: a keypress results in one ASCII code. Or two. Or three. |
| 12:45.37 | Twinkletoes | cat /sys/block/sda/queue/scheduler, shows "noop deadline [cfq]". Does that mean it will use 3 different schedulers, or just the first? |
| 12:45.41 | shifty779 | Agiofws: and that's after interpretation. it kind of depends on what you wish to achieve as to the best method of approaching this. |
| 12:45.46 | format_c | Agiofws, why not just looking it up in the ASCII table. |
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| 12:46.25 | Agiofws | because it depends on the terminal you are using... |
| 12:46.32 | Agiofws | so i want to be sure |
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| 12:47.11 | shifty779 | Agiofws: so what are you trying to do? |
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| 12:49.23 | Night_Elf | Traditionally I have added lines like "route add -net ..." into /etc/rc.local to have the wanted routes be active at boot time. How would I do this in a more elegant manner without involving /etc/rc.local ? |
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| 12:50.35 | teraflop | Twinkletoes: that means youre using cfq, and e.g I do [noop] deadline cfq |
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| 12:50.57 | Twinkletoes | teraflop: Aha, ok. Can it be changed through sysctl or is it a grub thing? |
| 12:51.18 | teraflop | Twinkletoes: I do it by grub |
| 12:51.25 | Twinkletoes | teraflop: Thank you :) |
| 12:51.28 | teraflop | Twinkletoes: yw |
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| 12:51.44 | berarma | I have a Brother HL-2030 USB printer connected to my computer and it works locally but trying to print from another Debian system in the local network fails. The remote and local systems all say the job is finished and printed but the printer doesn't print anything. I can't find any error in the logs. Any ideas? |
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| 13:02.20 | shifty779 | berarma: HL-2040 here. any joy with "print test page" ? |
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| 13:03.22 | berarma | shifty779: it works locally but doesn't print anything from the other system. |
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| 13:04.21 | berarma | no errors though, CUPS thinks it's worked. |
| 13:04.25 | shifty779 | berarma: more on CUPS print test page function? |
| 13:04.40 | shifty779 | berarma: and does printer spool up? |
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| 13:06.17 | berarma | shifty779: I've tried with the print test page function. What do you say about the printer spool? |
| 13:06.23 | moneyonnet | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:06.23 | moneyonnet | Up here And good Luck -----> http://www.marketglory.com/strategygame/lolopoco |
| 13:06.52 | verve | quick question: on my debian vps, if i do dmesg -T, the date is three days ahead, and the time three hours ahead |
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| 13:06.56 | verve | just wondering how to fix that |
| 13:07.13 | verve | (it's only in dmesg, if i type date, the time is correct) |
| 13:07.18 | shifty779 | berarma: not the technical term, the "whiiiir, crunch crunch, etc" noise that suggests the printer is about to slice off a page |
| 13:07.31 | berarma | aaahhh!! :) |
| 13:07.56 | berarma | yes, the printer does some noise when I send a remote job but prints nothing. |
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| 13:09.01 | Krakakanok | xDD |
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| 13:10.06 | shifty779 | berarma: well, how far do you think you can throw it? well, more seriously, I'm have no advice. CUPS is as close to black magic as it comes. if the printer is spooling for a job, it |
| 13:10.20 | berarma | verve: see the man page: Be aware that the timestamp could be inaccurate! The time source used for the logs is not updated after system SUSPEND/RESUME |
| 13:10.24 | shifty779 | *** it's obviously getting it and ignoring it |
| 13:10.54 | verve | berarma: hm |
| 13:11.22 | berarma | shifty779: thanks for the hint. I'll take another look later around that. |
| 13:11.35 | verve | berarma: i don't know if that applies to a vps though? |
| 13:11.42 | verve | it's either running or shutdown |
| 13:12.35 | berarma | verve: I don't know how it works but it could be worse then since it's virtual hardware |
| 13:12.38 | berarma | afk |
| 13:13.35 | verve | i'll ask on linode's channel, they might know how that works specific to them |
| 13:13.36 | verve | thanks |
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| 13:19.57 | Twinkletoes | I've jkust cloned a system, but the NIC isn't being given an address or anything. Previously I just used to delete the contents of /etc/udev/70-network or something like that, but that file doesn't exist in Jessie. Has it moved? |
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| 13:38.43 | teraflop | !kick WackyTom |
| 13:38.44 | dpkg | kicks WackyTom in the crotch. |
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| 13:48.43 | sydney_untangle | teraflop: lol. Thanks. |
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| 13:49.35 | sydney_untangle | keep it to yourself... |
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| 13:52.56 | Fjorgynn | how do you know if a PC is i386 or amd64? (older pc) |
| 13:53.20 | AvocetVIS | afaik - it's mainly a matter of whether it supports x64 or not. |
| 13:53.27 | edem1 | disassemle it |
| 13:53.28 | AvocetVIS | lookup the cpu model and see |
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| 13:53.52 | guruprasad | How do I prevent automatic downloads of updates by the system update manager? |
| 13:54.12 | guruprasad | Every time I do apt-get upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade, I find that there is always almost nothing to download. |
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| 13:54.37 | guruprasad | But some times I am on metered data connections and I would want to disable the background downloads. |
| 13:54.38 | nkuttler | guruprasad: which manager? |
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| 13:55.37 | Fjorgynn | I have an intel atom pc here |
| 13:55.41 | guruprasad | nkuttler: I am guessing "Software" application icon that shows up in the notification area, but I could be wrong. |
| 13:55.45 | Fjorgynn | I think my old P3 is i686 |
| 13:56.09 | nkuttler | guruprasad: i see, no idea, never seen that. are you using gnome? |
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| 13:56.14 | guruprasad | Even if there are updates in hundreds of 100 MBs, when I run apt-get upgrade/dist-upgrade it almost always says 0/<some size> to download |
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| 13:56.24 | guruprasad | nkuttler: Yes, I am using GNOME |
| 13:56.26 | nkuttler | guruprasad: that's normal on stable though |
| 13:56.53 | nkuttler | guruprasad: gnome might use synaptic, and that might have some auto-upgrade feature. no idea though, never used any of that |
| 13:56.54 | guruprasad | I have seen this on a server running stable without GUI and also my laptop where I run sid |
| 13:57.12 | nkuttler | guruprasad: what makes you think updates were even installed? |
| 13:57.25 | nkuttler | guruprasad: /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 13:57.43 | guruprasad | nkuttler: Not installed, but pre-downloaded so that it is ready to install when I run apt-get update/dist-upgrade. |
| 13:57.52 | themill | guruprasad: sounds like you need to tell packagekit not to do anything |
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| 13:58.03 | guruprasad | themill: how do I do it? |
| 13:58.18 | themill | nfc, it's not installed on any of my machines |
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| 13:59.42 | guruprasad | I have seen this behaviour even in a server running without GUI |
| 13:59.50 | guruprasad | not sure if packagekit is installed or running there |
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| 14:00.35 | guruprasad | Reading this, http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=299553 it might be gnome-software doing the automatic download |
| 14:00.52 | themill | packagekit or other updaters are not installed by default |
| 14:01.13 | edem1 | when i try to start NetworkManager (Gnome or Xfce) I get the same mistake wlan0 changed state to unmanaged ,reason 'managed' and some ERROR nm-wifi-something.c.Any idea?The nm-applet is running and networking is enabled but only ethernet connection works. |
| 14:01.27 | awal1 | guruprasad: probably you can disable that pack with systemctl |
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| 14:02.16 | guruprasad | awal1, how do I do that? |
| 14:03.09 | awal1 | guruprasad: I dont use gnome , I don't know the exact name of that pack |
| 14:03.22 | nkuttler | guruprasad: you use debian, yes? did you install it? |
| 14:03.28 | awal1 | wjust do systemctl disable .... |
| 14:03.39 | guruprasad | awal1: http://vfamilyserver.org/blog/2014/11/disable-background-updates-on-fedora-21-gnome-3-14/ this lead me to something towards disabling it. |
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| 14:03.49 | guruprasad | auto-download was enabled for me in my laptop |
| 14:03.50 | nkuttler | guruprasad: you use debian, yes? did you install it? |
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| 14:04.25 | guruprasad | nkuttler: I use Debian and I have installed it. I installed almost 2 years back when I started running debian sid |
| 14:05.14 | nkuttler | guruprasad: and the server? |
| 14:05.31 | guruprasad | Debian stable |
| 14:05.48 | guruprasad | I have seen this behaviour even in wheezy |
| 14:05.52 | guruprasad | on that server |
| 14:05.53 | nkuttler | guruprasad: did you install it? |
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| 14:06.12 | themill | guruprasad: that would imply you've installed update-notifier or packagekit or cron-apt or apticron or similar. |
| 14:06.28 | nkuttler | guruprasad: indeed. you must have installed something manually for automatic updates |
| 14:07.09 | guruprasad | themill: nkuttler I haven't. On my desktop it seems it is gnome-software doing that. I have disabled that using gconf-editor. Have to see if it works. |
| 14:07.56 | themill | guruprasad: I can guarantee that you have done something (such as installing gnome) to cause this to happen.... |
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| 14:08.21 | guruprasad | themill, yes it looks like gnome installation installs gnome-software which does this by default |
| 14:08.44 | themill | it's not gnome-software, it's packagekit. |
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| 14:09.37 | awal1 | guruprasad: run "systemctl status packagekit" |
| 14:09.49 | awal1 | seems that packagekit have a systemd unit |
| 14:10.11 | guruprasad | themill, it might be gnome-software using packagekit to do this. http://vfamilyserver.org/blog/2014/11/disable-background-updates-on-fedora-21-gnome-3-14/ says that there is an option "download-updates" for gnome-software which has to be disabled |
| 14:10.33 | guruprasad | I opened the dconf editor on my system and found that the "download-updates" option was checked |
| 14:10.47 | awal1 | guruprasad: what returns that command? |
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| 14:11.27 | guruprasad | awal1: It says packagekit is running |
| 14:12.36 | awal1 | guruprasad: so just do "systemctl stop packagekit.service" for stop it temporally or "systemctl disable packagekit.service" for disable it permanently" |
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| 14:13.06 | guruprasad | awal1: let me try that |
| 14:13.12 | awal1 | hopefully that will solve your issue. |
| 14:13.52 | awal1 | at any time you can undo that with rversing the commands |
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| 14:15.17 | BuFF | hey, how to make crontab run script in a new terminal window? |
| 14:15.32 | nkuttler | BuFF: hm, why would you want to do that? |
| 14:15.46 | nkuttler | BuFF: anyway, you can just set the DISPLAY env var.. |
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| 14:17.40 | awal1 | guruprasad: if you want undo that just run systemctl start/enable packagekit.service. man systemctl |
| 14:17.55 | guruprasad | yes I figured that out :) |
| 14:17.59 | BuFF | i need it ;] i've tried -> "TIME DISPLAY=:0.0 /usr/bin/terminator ~/some_script.sh" but without success |
| 14:18.06 | BuFF | it did not start |
| 14:18.23 | nkuttler | BuFF: what did not start? |
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| 14:18.33 | BuFF | nkuttler: cronjob |
| 14:18.39 | gerforce_ | hello, there. I have a question about grub2 on Debian. I have installed three systems on one hard drive. /dev/sda1 for windows7. /dev/sda2 is a extended partition. /dev/sda5 is used for storing data on windows. /dev/sda6,/dev/sda7,/dev/sda8,/dev/sda9 are used for Debian. After that i installed CentOS which took the rest of the hard disk and the partition were /dev/sda3 and /dev/sda4. Here comes the question. After i installed CentOS, it installed grub |
| 14:18.43 | nkuttler | BuFF: and what's TIME supposed to be? that's not a valid crontab entry anyway |
| 14:18.50 | nkuttler | BuFF: did you use crontab -e ? |
| 14:19.18 | BuFF | nkuttler: TIME just an exzample |
| 14:19.23 | hiexpo | hey I have a bluetooth printer and when i go to print I always hae to open printer services and enable it and say I tell it to print 10 pages it might stop and I hae to re-enable it |
| 14:19.46 | nkuttler | BuFF: and what do you see in the log mails? |
| 14:19.54 | awal1 | I use xfce but I see that packagekit is installed auto but it's disabled ... hmmm, I have to check why it's installed and why disabled |
| 14:19.57 | hiexpo | sorry having prob;lem with V key |
| 14:21.18 | edem1 | let me repeat my question:What is wrong with NetworkManager?When DE(Gnome or Xfce) starts I see nm-applet but it says NetworkManager is not running.I try to start it manually but it returns some nm-wi-something.c ERROR .Any ideas? Have not changed manually any interfaces so far. |
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| 14:23.05 | berarma | edem1: network-manager should be running in the background as a service. You can look for errors in /var/log/syslog. |
| 14:23.05 | edem1 | Now when i try to connect to wifi with ifup wlan0 command it returns wpa_supplicant daemon failed to start.Dont understand that at all while debian 7.8 had no problem |
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| 14:24.04 | awal1 | edem1: jessie? |
| 14:24.11 | edem1 | berarma .Thx for the answer. |
| 14:24.14 | edem1 | Yep |
| 14:24.25 | BuFF | nkuttler: why i shoul be looking in log mails? |
| 14:24.45 | BuFF | or u mean syslog? |
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| 14:25.07 | JyZyXEL | !kernels |
| 14:25.11 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, mainline: 4.1-rc2, stable 4.0: 4.0.2, stable 3.19: 3.19.7, longterm 3.18: 3.18.13, longterm 3.14: 3.14.41, longterm 3.12: 3.12.42, longterm 3.10: 3.10.77, longterm 3.4: 3.4.107, longterm 3.2: 3.2.68, longterm 2.6.32: 2.6.32.65, linux-next: next-20150508 |
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| 14:25.40 | JyZyXEL | well, anyways, judd's kernel information is wrong |
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| 14:25.58 | nkuttler | BuFF: whereever cron logs to on your system |
| 14:26.04 | JyZyXEL | it claims experimental is at 3.19 |
| 14:26.11 | edem1 | to berarma: I am just curious whats wrong with the GUI applet.As i try to install debian on my parents old notebook and have no time to dance around :) |
| 14:26.29 | awal1 | edem1: what happen if you run systemctl restart network-manager.service? |
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| 14:26.41 | awal1 | as root |
| 14:27.07 | berarma | edem1: the GUI applet needs the network-manager daemon to do the real work. |
| 14:27.28 | BuFF | nkuttler: "CRON[26528]: (root) CMD (command -v debian-sa1 > /dev/null && debian-sa1 1 1)" |
| 14:28.15 | edem1 | Oh fsck my brain its Potter here.Sorry .I withdraw my question.Thnks |
| 14:29.04 | jdahm | just installed and upgraded to debian testing. Is the active kernel here really 3.16 still? |
| 14:29.28 | awal1 | yeah |
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| 14:31.17 | awal1 | jdahm: if you want a newer one you can use the one in experimental, 3.19 probably |
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| 14:33.08 | quarterback | How to start a program during boot time in debian as a non-root user? |
| 14:33.34 | sonOfRa | cronjob with @reboot might be one way |
| 14:34.00 | quarterback | sonOfRa : Explain clearly please |
| 14:34.10 | sonOfRa | You know what a cronjob is? |
| 14:34.24 | quarterback | sonOfRa :Cronjob runs periodic tasks set at some interval |
| 14:34.28 | sonOfRa | yes. |
| 14:34.59 | quarterback | sonOfRa : I dont have to run the program periodically, starting the program during reboot is enough |
| 14:35.08 | sonOfRa | And apart from the numeric strings you can set as a interval, there's also @reboot @daily @midnight @hourly @weekly @annually |
| 14:35.14 | quarterback | or starting the program after powerdown and powerup |
| 14:35.17 | sonOfRa | @reboot starts the program once on boot, and then never again |
| 14:35.28 | quarterback | I dont need to reboot |
| 14:35.35 | sonOfRa | @reboot doesn't reboot the computer |
| 14:35.43 | quarterback | I only have to start the program during boot incase of any accidental reboot |
| 14:35.46 | sonOfRa | @reboot starts the cronjob when the computer is rebooted |
| 14:36.16 | quarterback | is it better to start the program in /etc/init.d/ ? |
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| 14:36.36 | sonOfRa | You said you weren't root. If you're not root, you can't do that. |
| 14:36.50 | quarterback | Hmmm |
| 14:37.15 | sonOfRa | systemd has user units, but I don't know if it's possible to start those on reboot |
| 14:37.16 | quarterback | I am root but the program is run by a normal user |
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| 14:37.50 | sonOfRa | Then you create an init script/systemd unit for the job, just like any other daemon managed by the init system |
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| 14:48.42 | quarterback | Hello, iptables rules wont load during bootup, I had a line something like iptables-restore < /etc/iptables/iptables.up.rules but somehow I get an error |
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| 14:49.26 | quarterback | I created a script which would run in the directory /etc/network/if-up.d/ |
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| 14:53.41 | jdahm | should I be using aptitude or directly using apt-get? |
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| 14:56.13 | mtn | jdahm: for most purposes, using either does the same job |
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| 14:58.39 | Agiofws | can someone tell me why all of the sudden control+f shows up a terminal instead of a search box in chrome how can i unset this? |
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| 15:03.14 | Agiofws | how can i see if control+F is mapped to anything in linux or gnome and not working in chrome to search a site? |
| 15:04.34 | BuFF | nkuttler: solved the problem :) |
| 15:04.56 | BuFF | didn't know to specify the "-e" option ;) |
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| 15:06.06 | mtn | Agiofws: look at your shortcuts in system settings? |
| 15:06.23 | Agiofws | mtn, in gnome? |
| 15:06.30 | mtn | Agiofws: yes |
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| 15:12.58 | bolt | little help here? wondering how to determine if an ip address falls within a given cidr range in my script. preferably using tools from the standard system setup or base install, so i don't need to add packages for this |
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| 15:13.45 | JyZyXEL | got it with pinning |
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| 15:15.44 | zh1 | http://paste.debian.net/173881/ any error on the sources list? |
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| 15:18.08 | zh1 | i gen an error on Err http://http.debian.net jessie-backports/main i386 Packages |
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| 15:19.20 | Agiofws | mtn, i can't find any short cut that launches xterm... |
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| 15:20.01 | mtn | Agiofws: is that the name of the program you are looking for? |
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| 15:20.25 | anddam | I'm seeing a lot of these "failed password" lines in auth.log even if my PermitRootLogin in sshd_config is no, is that normal? https://gist.github.com/anddam/cbc0e4df9139b8478520 |
| 15:20.40 | Agiofws | well pressing control + f launches xterm instead of chromes search box |
| 15:21.00 | mtn | Agiofws: what is the name of the "xterm" program? |
| 15:21.11 | Agiofws | andatche, someone trying to log into your system? |
| 15:21.24 | Agiofws | xterm |
| 15:21.32 | Agiofws | its a linux shell |
| 15:22.34 | mtn | Agiofws: not the gnome terminal? |
| 15:23.04 | Agiofws | no not gnome terminal |
| 15:24.16 | Agiofws | The culprit is xbinkeys, a software made to create custom shortcuts. The CTRL+F lauching xterm is an example in the configuration file (~.xbindkeysrc). Since Ubuntu 11.10 doesn't realise it is an example and use it by default, overriding all other uses of CTRL+F. |
| 15:24.20 | Agiofws | ... |
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| 15:26.23 | mtn | Agiofws: you are on ubuntu? |
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| 15:27.24 | anddam | Agiofws: did you mean me with "andatche"? |
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| 15:37.05 | anddam | I changed LogLevel in sshd_config to verbose in order to see what key exchange method a client is using but I didn't see any different (at all) in the log output |
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| 15:37.08 | nec | Hello |
| 15:37.24 | nec | I cant access my android files with debian |
| 15:37.33 | anddam | I'm doing a "service ssh force-reload" while being connected via ssh, is that a problem? |
| 15:37.42 | berarma | anddam: did you restart the ssh service? |
| 15:37.45 | nec | my phone is connected however it doesnt recognize it |
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| 15:38.02 | anddam | nec: define "access android files", IIRC android switched to a MS memory mass thingy for mounting the phone memory |
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| 15:38.07 | berarma | anddam: you can enable debug messages in the client too, maybe easier for you |
| 15:38.16 | anddam | berarma: no, it's a GUI java client |
| 15:38.45 | anddam | fun thing is yesterday I came here asking and in log I had the actual key exchange line, today I don't see that anymoer when the client fails to connect |
| 15:38.47 | nec | anddam: Im using cyanogenmod, i cant access my files with the file browser, not even my android appears as connected. |
| 15:39.05 | SynrG | nec: do you get prompted by the Android device to authorize access when you plug it in? |
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| 15:39.24 | nec | yes |
| 15:39.26 | anddam | anyway I'm not able to notice any difference between INFO, VERBOSE or DEBUG and I remember that using debug via CLI provides an *extremely* more verbose output |
| 15:39.37 | nec | SynrG: i chose mtp |
| 15:39.49 | berarma | try restart instead of force-reload, I don't know the difference |
| 15:40.04 | SynrG | nec: which desktop? |
| 15:40.12 | nec | SynrG: xfce |
| 15:40.53 | SynrG | Ah. I'm less familiar. |
| 15:41.13 | nec | SynrG: Does the DE matter? |
| 15:41.23 | nec | SynrG: should i use kde or something like that? |
| 15:41.25 | SynrG | Thunar may need a plugin for mtp |
| 15:41.35 | SynrG | Check that |
| 15:41.56 | nec | SynrG: Ok how do i install teh latest kde? |
| 15:42.09 | SynrG | !install kde |
| 15:42.10 | dpkg | The 'kde-standard' package gets you the common set-up, 'kde-plasma-desktop' and 'kde-plasma-netbook' provide minimal KDE 4 setups with respective flavouring, and 'kde-full' installs everything KDE 4. To install using Debian-Installer (if not using KDE CD-1): from the Installer boot menu, select "Advanced options > Alternative desktop environments > KDE > Install". |
| 15:43.02 | nec | SynrG: So i do apt-get install kde-plasma-desktop right? |
| 15:43.47 | nec | Will that give me the latest (5.3) kde? |
| 15:44.47 | SynrG | As per above, it's 4 |
| 15:45.07 | nec | SynrG: What= |
| 15:45.09 | nec | ? |
| 15:45.20 | SynrG | 5 was too late to make the release |
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| 15:45.51 | nec | It says Candidate: 5:84 Version table: 5:84 0 |
| 15:46.05 | nec | SynrG: Isnt that the version? |
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| 15:47.11 | SynrG | No |
| 15:47.18 | anddam | berarma: well force-reload is explicitly for reloading config, anyway I did both |
| 15:47.22 | SynrG | 5 is the epoch |
| 15:47.24 | nec | SynrG: these are my repos 500 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ jessie/main amd64 Packages 500 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing/main amd64 Packages 500 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stable/main amd64 Packages |
| 15:47.28 | nec | that show |
| 15:47.32 | nec | this app |
| 15:47.33 | anddam | in sequence, with no noticeable change |
| 15:47.34 | SynrG | Nothing to do with the upstream version |
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| 15:48.29 | anddam | SynrG: any hint about the openssh-server thing? |
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| 15:49.07 | anddam | more specifically shouldn't LogLevel DEBUG and a force reload show a lot of lines in auth.log? |
| 15:50.34 | nec | SynrG: What does that mean? I would like to install the latest kde. Is there a way to do that? I have the testing repos enabled |
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| 15:51.24 | mtn | nec: are you goint to run testing or stable? |
| 15:52.31 | nec | mtn: I can only choose one repo? |
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| 15:52.38 | nec | is it bad that i have both? |
| 15:52.52 | SynrG | it's not supported to have both. |
| 15:53.00 | mtn | nec: yes, unless you wish to break your system. most likely you will end up with testing that way or a broken system |
| 15:53.02 | Fjorgynn | lol |
| 15:53.08 | SynrG | and it doesn't matter wrt kde. there's no kde5 in testing |
| 15:53.14 | zykotick9 | nec: see "/msg dpkg frankendebian" |
| 15:53.32 | mtn | nec: stable will have plasma 5 in about 2 years, and testing may have it in a few months or so |
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| 15:53.57 | nec | nec: hahahaha |
| 15:54.00 | nec | didnt know that |
| 15:54.17 | SynrG | there was something funny about what mtn said? |
| 15:54.37 | anddam | SynrG: it collided with his assumptions |
| 15:54.46 | anddam | that's the natural genesys of humour |
| 15:55.18 | SynrG | ok. i thought maybe he thought mtn's statement was said wryly |
| 15:55.28 | SynrG | whereas i read it as a statement of fact only |
| 15:55.32 | anddam | genesis, even |
| 15:56.12 | nec | mtn: Thsese are my repos |
| 15:56.14 | nec | http://pastebin.com/XV6YDq1u |
| 15:56.24 | nec | Which ones should i eliminate or comment? |
| 15:56.35 | nec | I want testing |
| 15:56.50 | mtn | nec: go read https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 15:57.07 | mtn | nec: and https://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting |
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| 15:58.43 | nec | mtn: So is it ok that my only repo is deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian testing main |
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| 15:58.45 | nec | ? |
| 15:59.25 | mtn | nec: I think you would ant contrib and non-free as well, but otherwise, sure, if you want testing. I hope you know what you are in for ;) |
| 15:59.29 | mtn | ant/want |
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| 15:59.52 | mtn | nec: but really, read those links first |
| 15:59.55 | nec | mtn: i dont want to use non free software. |
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| 16:00.00 | nec | ok |
| 16:00.01 | SynrG | !stretch sources.list |
| 16:00.01 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ stretch main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ stretch/updates main" "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main". Be sure to run «apt update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <stretch/updates> <stretch-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
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| 16:00.34 | SynrG | although security uploads are few and far between, they do exist. so add that. and there is also stretch-updates for volatile things |
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| 16:00.48 | SynrG | that one is of least importance |
| 16:01.11 | nec | mtn: whats the differentce between testing jessie repos and stretch main? |
| 16:01.36 | mtn | nec: why not read the links or what SynrG is trying to tell you? |
| 16:01.36 | SynrG | what do you mean by "testing jessie repos"? |
| 16:01.40 | SynrG | nec: that's not a thing |
| 16:01.47 | nec | isnt testing jessie getting apps from stretch? |
| 16:01.54 | mtn | oh boy |
| 16:01.55 | SynrG | what is "testing jessie"? |
| 16:01.58 | SynrG | that's nonsense |
| 16:02.04 | SynrG | jessie is stable. |
| 16:02.08 | nec | Im sorry |
| 16:02.12 | nec | i was talking about this |
| 16:02.14 | nec | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian testing main |
| 16:02.22 | nec | and stretch main |
| 16:02.30 | SynrG | they are exactly the same. |
| 16:02.42 | SynrG | the difference at release time is testing will move you forward to the next next release |
| 16:02.54 | SynrG | whereas stretch will keep you on the next release |
| 16:03.17 | nec | SynrG: So which one should i use= |
| 16:03.19 | nec | ? |
| 16:03.41 | SynrG | your choice. do you want to always be on testing? you can say 'testing'. but if you want to track stretch from its development as testing now, through its ultimate release as the next stable, say 'stretch' |
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| 16:04.00 | SynrG | keeping in mind, immediately after a stable release is a rocky time. |
| 16:04.16 | SynrG | what i usually advise is to use the codename for that reason |
| 16:04.26 | SynrG | it gives you a period of stability until things settle down |
| 16:04.28 | nec | SynrG: I dont get it which one i should choose since its the same |
| 16:04.53 | SynrG | i just explained. |
| 16:05.11 | nec | SynrG: Yes, dont get it though haha |
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| 16:05.16 | SynrG | *currently* they are identical. when stretch releases, they will be different. |
| 16:05.16 | nec | im re reading it |
| 16:05.24 | mtn | I wonder what "the same" means? |
| 16:05.25 | nec | SynrG: oh ok |
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| 16:05.31 | SynrG | testing will no longer be stretch. it will be the *next* next release |
| 16:05.35 | SynrG | the one that follows stretch |
| 16:05.35 | nec | mtn: me too |
| 16:05.47 | mtn | nec: do you have a dictionary? |
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| 16:05.59 | nec | mtn: yes |
| 16:06.06 | mtn | nec: read ;) |
| 16:06.13 | SynrG | <SynrG> what i usually advise is to use the codename for that reason |
| 16:06.13 | SynrG | <SynrG> it gives you a period of stability until things settle down |
| 16:06.18 | SynrG | ^^ |
| 16:06.25 | nec | SynrG: Thank you.l |
| 16:06.28 | SynrG | the codename for testing today is 'stretch' |
| 16:06.30 | SynrG | use that |
| 16:06.34 | nec | So i ts safer for me deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ stretch main |
| 16:06.36 | nec | ok |
| 16:07.33 | SynrG | imho, it's still too soon after the jessie release to move forward to stretch, but by mixing releases in your sources.list you've already missed the opportunity to stay on stable. |
| 16:07.33 | mtn | nec: the safest thing for you is to use stable, not testing |
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| 16:08.49 | SynrG | it would be closing the barn doors after the horses have been fled to change it now, though :( |
| 16:08.54 | nec | mtn: yes i know stable is safer but from what i understand is that deb http://security.debian.org/ stretch/updates main is safer for now than testing right? |
| 16:08.57 | SynrG | s/have been/have/ |
| 16:09.01 | nec | at least until next release |
| 16:09.19 | nec | SynrG: hahahah i think i should do a clean install then |
| 16:09.21 | nec | right? |
| 16:09.27 | mtn | nec: no, they are the same at this time. it makes no difference at all for the next two years |
| 16:09.28 | SynrG | yes, a clean install of stable is safest. |
| 16:09.43 | nec | SynrG: I dont want stable |
| 16:09.52 | AvocetVIS | something I learned, a clean install of stable from a netinstall image is even better |
| 16:09.58 | nec | mtn: Yes, for now its the same |
| 16:10.07 | SynrG | then stick with the sources.list entries i gave for stretch above (from dpkg factoid) |
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| 16:10.26 | SynrG | and be very alert about upgrades, as things frequently break around this time in the release cycle. |
| 16:10.43 | sydney_untangle | Im not trusting stretch till it hits beta. Stuff breaks easily. |
| 16:10.44 | SynrG | by break, i mean "if you're not careful, you break your whole system" |
| 16:10.52 | sydney_untangle | even then it still does. |
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| 16:13.04 | nec | sydney_untangle: So youre not using testing then |
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| 16:15.20 | mtn | nec: do you know what testing is for? |
| 16:15.52 | nec | mtn: Yes, It is a repository for testers |
| 16:16.01 | nec | testing and sid actually |
| 16:16.13 | mtn | nec: yes, and not meant for day to day use. are you a tester? it does not sound like it ;) |
| 16:16.26 | sydney_untangle | nec: I used beta 1 of jessie and have been using it since. |
| 16:16.43 | SynrG | by the way, there's no such thing as "beta 1 of jessie" |
| 16:16.55 | SynrG | there's "beta 1 of the installer". but that's not a beta "of the release" |
| 16:17.00 | SynrG | it's a beta of the installer only |
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| 16:18.49 | nec | mtn: i dont do anything that needs to be comnpletely stable |
| 16:18.57 | nec | ubuntu is based on sid right? |
| 16:19.04 | SynrG | absolutely false. |
| 16:19.14 | nec | i like to have the latest software |
| 16:19.23 | SynrG | ubuntu forks sid at a point in time *and then stabilises it* |
| 16:19.32 | SynrG | this is not in any way, shape or form "based on sid" |
| 16:19.42 | SynrG | which implies it has all the instability unstable does |
| 16:19.44 | nec | i miss that from windows |
| 16:19.50 | nec | having the latest... |
| 16:20.00 | mtn | nec: if you need or want the "latest" software, debian is not for you |
| 16:20.14 | SynrG | the recommendation for the best user experience is debian stable + stable-backports |
| 16:20.35 | SynrG | this gives you *some* of the "latest software", with most of debian's legendary stability |
| 16:20.55 | sydney_untangle | SynrG: Oh. I didn't know that. |
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| 16:21.32 | SynrG | there is no guarantee that we always have all latest upstream releases in stable-backports, but there's a significant number of things that land there |
| 16:21.48 | SynrG | those which don't have overly complex build dependency chains, usually |
| 16:21.55 | nec | SynrG: What distro that has free software provides this feature? |
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| 16:22.06 | SynrG | (and obviously, that someone has elected to put the work into backporting, which is not guaranteed) |
| 16:22.13 | nec | im about to install parabola in another partition |
| 16:22.16 | mtn | nec: really new software? try arch linujx |
| 16:22.27 | mtn | archlinux, that is |
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| 16:23.15 | mtn | nec: if you aren't willing to do research, you won't like it either, though |
| 16:23.26 | SynrG | nec: for my production systems, the cost of the instability of arch is too high for me. hence i don't use it. for my development systems, i track testing or a testing/unstable mix, or pure unstable. however, i'm a software developer and understand the risks and can solve most problems there on my own. |
| 16:23.58 | SynrG | nec: for everyone else, there is either pure stable (for rock-solid stability) or stable + stable-backports for people who need it |
| 16:24.09 | SynrG | also: |
| 16:24.10 | SynrG | !sns |
| 16:24.10 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 16:24.23 | mtn | nec: I totally agree with SynrG |
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| 16:25.14 | nec | mtn: are backports free software only? |
| 16:25.34 | nec | mtn: or can i install... flash for examaple? |
| 16:25.38 | mtn | nec: no, you can have non-free and contrib in backports. your choice |
| 16:26.02 | mtn | nec: debian is all about choice |
| 16:26.16 | nec | so i can keep my debian free using backports? |
| 16:26.18 | nec | great |
| 16:26.29 | mtn | nec: the answers to all of these questions is on the wiki |
| 16:26.53 | nec | mtn: But would i be able to install the latest kde? |
| 16:27.00 | nec | or not even with backports? |
| 16:27.02 | mtn | nec: no. no. no |
| 16:27.11 | SynrG | no. it's too huge. dependencies too big. |
| 16:27.20 | mtn | nec: stable will have plasma 5 in about 2 years, and testing may have it in a few months or so |
| 16:27.21 | SynrG | so this is exactly the sort of thing you won't find in backports |
| 16:27.34 | nec | mmmm ok |
| 16:27.47 | nec | what free distro gives me the chance to do this? |
| 16:27.53 | mtn | heh |
| 16:27.53 | nec | fedora maybe? |
| 16:28.02 | SynrG | all distros have the same problem |
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| 16:28.18 | SynrG | if upstream release cycles don't exactly match their own, they miss out on including the latest major release. |
| 16:28.20 | mtn | nec: lots of the. see distrowatch for more info |
| 16:28.22 | SynrG | so it's luck |
| 16:28.24 | mtn | the/themn |
| 16:29.12 | SynrG | you either get lucky and have time to include the latest "big" release and then stick with that until the next release, or you miss out on that opportunity and have to wait longer. |
| 16:29.34 | SynrG | the only exception is so-called "rolling release" distros, which in my thinking is a crock |
| 16:29.46 | SynrG | what this means is "you are perpetually our beta testers" |
| 16:29.47 | mtn | SynrG: now I will disagree ;) |
| 16:29.59 | SynrG | well, it's a misrepresentation |
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| 16:30.23 | mtn | SynrG: many thousands will disagree with you on that one |
| 16:30.30 | SynrG | users believe what they're getting is a "release" with "all the latest stuff" |
| 16:30.52 | SynrG | what they're actually getting is something that never truly releases, and all the problems that come with that |
| 16:31.03 | SynrG | "rolling release" is an oxymoron |
| 16:31.18 | nec | i think fedora does that right? |
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| 16:31.48 | SynrG | mtn: i am not saying thousands of users aren't happy with that situation. apparently they are. |
| 16:32.03 | SynrG | i'm saying the concept people call "rolling release" is misnamed |
| 16:32.04 | nec | fedora is more updated than debian even with vackprots enabled right? |
| 16:32.15 | mtn | SynrG: yes, apparently they are :) |
| 16:32.22 | SynrG | it juxtaposes two mutually contradictory things |
| 16:32.49 | mtn | SynrG: well, calling many distro releases "stable" isn't very accurate either |
| 16:33.32 | mtn | anyway, sorry for being off topic. |
| 16:33.34 | SynrG | well, we could go all philosophical on that :) |
| 16:33.39 | SynrG | yeah |
| 16:33.56 | SynrG | i'm out. watching a movie. later |
| 16:34.30 | jhutchins | I like how Ars Technica referred to Debian in their Jessie review: "Linux's most reliable distro". |
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| 16:48.33 | Fjorgynn | lol |
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| 16:49.16 | maher | what's a good program to browse a local Maildir tree? |
| 16:49.25 | valdyn | ls |
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| 16:50.06 | maher | valdyn: i want to see the mails as the appear in a mail reader, but I don't seem to be able to point any of my mail clients to a random dir in the fs |
| 16:50.15 | valdyn | mutt |
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| 16:50.27 | valdyn | maher: mutt can do that |
| 16:50.30 | maher | valdyn: how? |
| 16:50.33 | zh1 | thunderbird |
| 16:50.43 | valdyn | maher: c followed by ? i think, lets see.. |
| 16:50.48 | zh1 | icedove |
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| 16:52.31 | maher | zh1: how? |
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| 16:59.39 | maher | valdyn: zh1: ok - mutt -f works - i was confused about something else... |
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| 17:02.31 | Fjorgynn | :) |
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| 17:20.23 | somiaj | is there a way when using systemd to disable all the additional daemons that get loaded. Most of them I have no use fuor such as lvmetad, gvfsd, udiskd, colord etc |
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| 17:21.32 | somiaj | guess I just have to disable all those services. |
| 17:22.27 | markand | what is the difference between Debian Desktop Environment and GNOME at the installation ? |
| 17:23.02 | mtn | markand: if you don't choose something else, it will be gnome |
| 17:23.03 | somiaj | markand: depends on what install image you are using I think. Debian Desktop Enviorment installs the default which can be different on the xfce, kde, lxde, cd. |
| 17:23.36 | markand | oh |
| 17:23.48 | markand | I want gnome but without *all* apps such as polari or games |
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| 17:24.35 | mtn | markand: install without the desktop environment, then install whatever you wish to afterward |
| 17:24.43 | markand | okay |
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| 17:41.19 | iveevue | Why do i have no sound after a new install of 8? |
| 17:41.46 | teraflop | iveevue: who knows ... |
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| 17:42.01 | iveevue | It only shows HDMI sound options... |
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| 17:46.19 | AvocetVIS | iveevue, I had the same issue when installing from a full cinammon dvd - spent hours on it, then re-installed from a minimal netiso and all worked fine. |
| 17:46.34 | iveevue | I really don't want to do a reinstall |
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| 17:47.16 | teraflop | iveevue: lets play the guess game, are yu using pulse? |
| 17:47.23 | teraflop | you* |
| 17:47.27 | iveevue | I think so? |
| 17:47.38 | teraflop | ^ |
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| 17:49.04 | pankid | attempting my upgrade to jessie for the third time. Hopefully wont break anything this time. Thank god for VMs. |
| 17:49.48 | iveevue | brb |
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| 17:54.48 | bash124512 | Hi, I'm trying to build a deb package but dependencies are unclear to me. Should I just add the libraries the binary needs in the deb package or should I state dependencies with the packages that contain the library ? :) |
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| 17:55.45 | tethra | generally external libraries should have their own package so other packages can rely on them |
| 17:56.46 | tethra | having more than one copy of the library on the system isn't good |
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| 17:57.44 | bash124512 | Depends: libboost-program-options1.49.0, libmysqlclient18, libevent-2.0-5 |
| 17:58.19 | bash124512 | is this ok ? |
| 17:58.54 | tethra | not sure, i don't see anything immediately wrong with it though |
| 17:59.02 | tethra | are those things that exist already? |
| 18:00.41 | bash124512 | those are the libraries I need |
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| 18:01.52 | bash124512 | and when I try to install my package without those installed , binary does work |
| 18:02.09 | bash124512 | but my package seems to be installed |
| 18:02.38 | bash124512 | can I specify that it shouldn't continue installing without those ? |
| 18:03.07 | bash124512 | Pre-Depends ? |
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| 18:03.29 | _Raiz | How i can make a debian based distro? |
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| 18:05.03 | bash124512 | Pre-Depends does the job thanks |
| 18:05.15 | _Raiz | bash124512, Huh? |
| 18:05.44 | bash124512 | tethra ^ |
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| 18:06.10 | tethra | oh really |
| 18:06.12 | tethra | TIL :D |
| 18:06.23 | tethra | are you a DM then, or an aspiring one? |
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| 18:07.55 | SynrG | bash124512: a) avoid Pre-Depends and b) packaging questions -> #debian-mentors @ irc.oftc.net |
| 18:08.02 | SynrG | bash124512: see https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html |
| 18:08.39 | tethra | TILs even more |
| 18:08.55 | SynrG | bash124512: specifically, section 7.2, heading "Pre-Depends" |
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| 18:09.28 | SynrG | bash124512: but if you have questions about that advice, please follow up to the right channel, as i indicated |
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| 18:10.03 | bash124512 | tethra : dunno why you are being ironic, I mean it does what I need it to do. No I'm not inspiring to become anything like that just want to build a package |
| 18:10.39 | bash124512 | SynrG : thanks for the info. |
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| 18:15.49 | tethra | bash124512: i'm not being ironic |
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| 18:16.15 | tethra | bash124512: i a) didn't know pre-depends existed and b) didn't know there was a debian-mentors channel on oftc |
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| 18:25.48 | ra73 | Hey guys, a friend of mine formatted an ntfs drive by accident(quick format, no 0 override), what are some good recovery programs, and is it worth it making an iso of the drive using dd to use for recovery? Aka will an iso be able to be used to recover the files. |
| 18:26.02 | ra73 | Hey guys, a friend of mine formatted an ntfs drive by accident(quick format, no 0 override), what are some good recovery programs, and is it worth it making an iso of the drive using dd to use for recovery? Aka will an iso be able to be used to recover the files. |
| 18:26.08 | ra73 | oops sorry for the double send |
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| 18:26.34 | ra73 | overwrite* |
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| 18:31.03 | tremon | ra73: this isn't the right channel for this, but I wouldn't know where to redirect you, so I'll give you a quick answer: testdisk is probably your best shot at recovering individual files, but the process isn't going to be easy. Expect all filenames to be lost |
| 18:32.07 | ra73 | tremon: ah ok, do you know if making a snapshot with dd will be useful to recover the files, in case something goes wrong the first time? |
| 18:32.37 | tremon | ra73: create a partition image before making any writes to that partition (and that includes merely mounting it in windows). Otherwise, google for unformat ntfs. Quite a lot of (non-free, paid) tools claim to be able to help |
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| 18:33.23 | Tyler | Hi |
| 18:33.37 | tremon | most recovery tools do not make modifications to the partition they're recovering from, so it may not be necessary to create an image. But you may want such an image just in case |
| 18:35.13 | teraflop | hmm, 30ms systemd-networkd.service .. that's fast |
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| 18:35.58 | Guest10135 | I'm having difficulties getting crossover to think that libgnutls-deb0-28:i386 is installed |
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| 18:39.48 | djace | Does the new systemd setup not stop daemons before a reboot? |
| 18:40.49 | djace | I don't know if I am interpreting this correctly or not, but reboots are now instantaneous without daemons stopping and /etc/systemd/system/reboot.target.wants is almost empty. |
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| 19:00.47 | valdyn | djace: why does that directory exist? you created it? |
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| 19:02.21 | valdyn | djace: nvm, it exists for hwclock-save.service, thats ok if you see only that |
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| 19:08.25 | anddam | where does syslog send openssh-server log? |
| 19:09.06 | anddam | I've been suggested LogLevel more verbose than the default INFO could be redirected to a file other than auth.log, this would be consistent with the fact that the log doesn't change between INFO and DEBUG |
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| 19:10.25 | arthurfiggis | anddam: I've only just started running debian as of 8.0, so my answer is certainly not an expert one :) but i see all of the output from sshd on my system in /var/log/auth.log |
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| 19:13.46 | anddam | arthurfiggis: and did you increase log verbosity? |
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| 19:15.32 | zepard | hi |
| 19:15.39 | zepard | a question about /opt |
| 19:16.22 | djace | valdyn, thyanks. |
| 19:16.42 | arthurfiggis | anddam: i haven't tweaked any setting like that to my knowledge, no, it should just be whatever the defaults are at this point...haven't quite gotten around to finishing config yet :) |
| 19:16.47 | zepard | how is it look like after installing ext packages |
| 19:17.16 | zepard | should it contain a complete structure like /opt/usr/bin and alike? |
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| 19:17.43 | djace | valdyn, the problem is that I don't see the classic wall messages when rebooting or halting, nor any messages on the screen showing that the daemons are stopping gracefully, nor do I see anything in the syslog regarding any daemon stopping. |
| 19:17.52 | djace | Is this normal? |
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| 19:18.56 | anddam | arthurfiggis: because my question is about why I don't see increased verbosity in auth after I configure it in server config and restart it |
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| 19:22.47 | spf19 | so, what's the kurfuffle about the "release inhibiting" bugs in Jessie? i.e. the bugs that were critical that "should" have been fixed prior to Jessie's release? |
| 19:22.49 | somiaj | djace: check journalctl for the logs form systemd. |
| 19:22.53 | spf19 | anyone know what the deal was? |
| 19:23.03 | spf19 | i.e. why Jessie was pushed out the door? |
| 19:24.28 | valdyn | djace: its normal that its very fast, expecially on ssd |
| 19:24.43 | spf19 | anyone? |
| 19:24.43 | valdyn | djace: i dont really know when wall should happen |
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| 19:25.13 | valdyn | djace: is your journal even persistent now? check the dates. |
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| 19:41.55 | SynrG | yay. finally clamav-freshclam available in jessie-updates |
| 19:42.07 | SynrG | the hourly logcheck messages were a bit much |
| 19:42.15 | SynrG | ,v clamav-freshclam |
| 19:42.16 | judd | Package: clamav-freshclam on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.98.1+dfsg-1+deb6u3; squeeze-security-lts: 0.98.1+dfsg-1+deb6u4; wheezy: 0.98.5+dfsg-0+deb7u2; jessie: 0.98.6+dfsg-1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 0.98.7+dfsg-0+deb7u1; wheezy-updates: 0.98.7+dfsg-0+deb7u1; stretch: 0.98.7+dfsg-1; sid: 0.98.7+dfsg-1 |
| 19:42.53 | SynrG | hey, judd. why don't you know about jessie-updates, hmm? |
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| 19:44.19 | SynrG | pokes themill |
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| 19:47.54 | SynrG | themill: b7de27bd is missing the addition of jessie-updates |
| 19:47.58 | AngeFede | s'étire |
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| 19:52.33 | shay_shay | SynrG: Judd doesn't see non-free either |
| 19:53.09 | JuggleTux | hiho just recently i UPGRADEED from 7 to 8 and just now i tryed to use python-pip and even if i try to to use it witch out commands it panics with 'ImportError: cannot import name IncompleteRead' any iddea whith packaged is missing? |
| 19:53.29 | ompaul | shay_shay: wrong |
| 19:53.45 | ompaul | ,v firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 19:53.46 | judd | Package: firmware-linux-nonfree on amd64 -- squeeze/non-free: 0.28+squeeze1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1~bpo60+1; wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 0.43~bpo70+1; stretch/non-free: 0.43; jessie/non-free: 0.43; sid/non-free: 0.43 |
| 19:53.52 | shay_shay | ompaul: I forget what it failed on but it failed before |
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| 19:54.16 | roberth1990 | is there any usb wireless cards which works perfectly and doesnt require nonfree firmware? |
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| 19:54.24 | ompaul | shay_shay: I'll offer you the hypotheses that the package name was wrong |
| 19:54.30 | shay_shay | I guess there must be another explanation by I'm sure I put the package name in correct |
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| 19:55.03 | shay_shay | I double checked it on the website |
| 19:55.04 | ompaul | it's pretty binary |
| 19:55.13 | ompaul | work fail |
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| 19:56.01 | shay_shay | ompaul: well I'll find another exception eventually, you won't be mad if I bring it to you? |
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| 19:57.27 | ompaul | if judd is present, then judd has the package list |
| 19:57.38 | ompaul | else judd has no package list |
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| 19:58.09 | ompaul | so if you find it I'll gladly be amazed by the strange thing that happened |
| 19:58.11 | nadu | hi |
| 19:58.43 | JuggleTux | hiho just recently i UPGRADEED from 7 to 8 and just now i tryed to use python-pip and even if i try to to use it witch out commands it panics with 'ImportError: cannot import name IncompleteRead' any iddea whith packaged is missing? >> full output >> https://gist.github.com/juggle-tux/30103fdfcb4e14f6ac57 |
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| 19:58.59 | ompaul | ,v python-pip |
| 19:59.00 | judd | Package: python-pip on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.7.2-1; squeeze-backports: 1.0-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1.1-3; jessie: 1.5.6-5; sid: 1.5.6-5; stretch: 1.5.6-5 |
| 19:59.47 | lanodan | Okay debian dependencies are broken (avahi, pulseaudio, systemd, â¦), Iâll try gentoo |
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| 20:01.09 | nadu | I've just installed raspbian on a raspberry pi 2. It's based on wheezy with some kernel mods. |
| 20:01.26 | nadu | Is it possible to activate the official wheezy repo? |
| 20:01.33 | nadu | only the arch all packages? |
| 20:01.35 | shay_shay | nadu: no |
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| 20:02.03 | nadu | shay_shay: thx ;) |
| 20:02.13 | JuggleTux | Package: python-pip State: installed Automatically installed: no Version: 1.5.6-5 |
| 20:02.14 | shay_shay | nadu: if you look on the Debian wiki under raspberry pi 2 there is a image which will give you that out of the box |
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| 20:03.00 | shay_shay | nadu: it's actually Debian, and not raspbian, and takes advantage of armv7 architecture |
| 20:03.59 | nadu | Yeah, I've seen that before |
| 20:04.20 | nadu | but I wasn't sure if it is maintained, that's why I decided vor raspbian |
| 20:04.48 | ompaul | raspbian isn't supported in #debian they have their own channel |
| 20:05.14 | nadu | I'd like to install an owncloud server at home with least administrative afford in patching ;) |
| 20:05.34 | nadu | ompaul: ok, I switch over |
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| 20:05.49 | ompaul | cheers they should be able to help you |
| 20:06.27 | shay_shay | nadu: I'm using that image on my pi2, if you have any questions you can always ask me if I'm around |
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| 20:08.30 | JuggleTux | hmm purged the pip packed end reinstalled still can't run it |
| 20:08.42 | JuggleTux | /end/and |
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| 20:13.52 | JuggleTux | has somebody a idea? |
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| 20:17.32 | ompaul | JuggleTux: other than python2.7 -m pip install SomePackage |
| 20:17.37 | ompaul | nothing comes to mind |
| 20:17.41 | ompaul | and I mean nothing |
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| 20:18.23 | JuggleTux | tux@debian â % python2.7 -m pip install ~ |
| 20:18.26 | JuggleTux | /usr/bin/python2.7: cannot import name IncompleteRead; 'pip' is a package and cannot be directly executed |
| 20:18.40 | ompaul | what are you installing |
| 20:18.46 | ompaul | put in an argument |
| 20:18.54 | JuggleTux | nothing just running pip |
| 20:19.08 | JuggleTux | see link before |
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| 20:19.19 | ompaul | kind of hard my link dropped |
| 20:19.24 | ompaul | and I looked |
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| 20:19.38 | ompaul | please test with a real package |
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| 20:20.22 | JuggleTux | no i mean i cant run the pip command at all https://gist.github.com/juggle-tux/30103fdfcb4e14f6ac57 |
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| 20:21.07 | JuggleTux | 1st line is my $PS1 |
| 20:21.18 | ompaul | do this pip help |
| 20:21.21 | ompaul | does that work? |
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| 20:21.44 | JuggleTux | pip doun't works at all |
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| 20:21.54 | JuggleTux | even with a new user |
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| 20:22.04 | ompaul | did you type pip help ??? |
| 20:22.08 | ynix | Is there an official reason why Jessie went with XFCE instead of GNOME? |
| 20:22.41 | littlebit | hi people, I'm looking for a command for renaming a file with the name of the folder. |
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| 20:23.27 | JuggleTux | pip help = https://gist.github.com/juggle-tux/f0f9ca33710e0c6ef069 |
| 20:24.29 | ompaul | JuggleTux: please paste in http://paste.debian.net the following data â¥â¥ uname |
| 20:24.37 | ompaul | not finished |
| 20:25.38 | ompaul | JuggleTux: please paste in http://paste.debian.net the following data uname -a ; apt-cache policy |
| 20:25.46 | JuggleTux | https://paste.debian.net/174004/ |
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| 20:26.04 | ompaul | JuggleTux: eh the data I gave you |
| 20:26.06 | ompaul | I want |
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| 20:26.14 | ompaul | or the data you have from running those commands please |
| 20:26.15 | JuggleTux | ??? |
| 20:26.28 | littlebit | \quit |
| 20:26.31 | ompaul | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:27.08 | ompaul | JuggleTux: then I want apt-cache policy pip |
| 20:27.21 | ompaul | fully pasted |
| 20:27.24 | JuggleTux | https://paste.debian.net/174005/ |
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| 20:30.17 | ompaul | JuggleTux: you might like to know that debian has changed how it mirrors - httpredir in place of ftp.ch in your sources.list should work nicely |
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| 20:31.24 | JuggleTux | sorry doun't exectly understand what you mean you have a ex. source line |
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| 20:31.56 | ompaul | JuggleTux: can I have apt-cache policy pip please |
| 20:32.36 | JuggleTux | p |
| 20:32.37 | ompaul | JuggleTux: no, in your sources.list you have ftp.ch that should read httpredir unless you have the best reason ever for something like that |
| 20:32.54 | JuggleTux | ah ok |
| 20:33.15 | ompaul | JuggleTux: can I have >>>>> apt-cache policy pip <<<<< please |
| 20:33.34 | JuggleTux | like deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main contrib non-free |
| 20:33.38 | ompaul | yes |
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| 20:34.26 | JuggleTux | N: Unable to locate package pip |
| 20:34.45 | ompaul | what? |
| 20:34.48 | ompaul | ,v pip |
| 20:34.49 | judd | No package named 'pip' was found in amd64. |
| 20:35.03 | ompaul | pokes judd with a stick |
| 20:35.04 | JuggleTux | https://paste.debian.net/174015/ |
| 20:35.15 | JuggleTux | sry was copy past the command |
| 20:35.46 | ompaul | just firing up my laptop it has jessie |
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| 20:37.20 | JuggleTux | k anyways thx for the advise of the apt source.list |
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| 20:39.49 | ompaul | installing pip |
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| 20:42.58 | f31n | hi, when i mkfs.ext4 on /dev/sdX, i get the question sdX is the entire disk not just a partition, is there a reason i should create a partiion before i create a fs on an entire disk (i want to use the entire disk just for one partition) |
| 20:43.02 | ompaul | JuggleTux: so you have a bad package or some such in there |
| 20:43.17 | ompaul | JuggleTux: apt-get remove --purge python-pip |
| 20:43.24 | ompaul | JuggleTux: then reinstall |
| 20:43.33 | ompaul | JuggleTux: it should just return the help page |
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| 20:43.57 | JuggleTux | i tryed before aptitude purge ... && aptitude install .. |
| 20:43.59 | ompaul | its not faulty here - however I'm on amd64 but that shouldn't be the problem |
| 20:44.14 | JuggleTux | ahh sory on i386 |
| 20:44.17 | ompaul | change your repo and try again :) |
| 20:44.30 | ompaul | you'd need to check for that |
| 20:44.47 | ompaul | what hardware are you on? |
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| 20:45.01 | JuggleTux | p4 mobile with 1gb ram >) |
| 20:45.38 | ompaul | I'd almost bet if you got a new laptop the savings in power alone would sort that out |
| 20:45.49 | JuggleTux | but a screen witch 1400x1050 |
| 20:46.26 | JuggleTux | no paying laptop no paying power |
| 20:46.52 | JuggleTux | squard |
| 20:47.26 | JuggleTux | sudo apt-get install anarchism |
| 20:48.12 | ompaul | well you could have met your final count down |
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| 20:48.25 | ompaul | right I better wrap up the lappy |
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| 20:49.19 | JuggleTux | ahh yeah i have a netbook witch touch here froem 1013 or some think but no charger plug |
| 20:49.37 | JuggleTux | but has a charger |
| 20:49.39 | Klaus_Dieter | f31n: flexibility is key in disk layouts. you might want to have only one partition now. who knows what happens in 3 years? |
| 20:50.13 | Klaus_Dieter | how well does debian run on apple hardware? |
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| 20:51.06 | Klaus_Dieter | seeing how samsung pulled back from the european notebook computer market I have no idea who is still selling decent hardware any more. my notebook computer is 9 years old and I am slowly starting to look for replacements. |
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| 20:51.41 | JuggleTux | hmm all my hardware is from dump zards |
| 20:52.26 | f31n | Klaus_Dieter: is that the only reason for needing to create a partition before you create an fs? |
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| 20:53.10 | Klaus_Dieter | f31n: you might run into trouble with some programs expecting to find a partition table but I think linux can handle it |
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| 20:57.20 | f31n | Klaus_Dieter: okay thanks a lot |
| 20:57.45 | valdyn | f31n: see "dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc" and pick the disk without partitions by mistake |
| 20:59.04 | f31n | valdyn: xD okay you got a very good point |
| 20:59.54 | valdyn | i like not having to pick the right boot disk order in the bios |
| 21:00.02 | valdyn | but instead installing grub just everywhere |
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| 21:47.43 | dgeary2 | noticed a change in behaviour of live-config in jessie compared to wheezy. in jessie it expects 'boot=live' in the kernel command line where as in wheezy it expects 'config' in the kernel command line. this makes it difficult to use live-config in jessie when not also using the live scripts in the initramfs to mount the root filesystem. my root filesystem is a tmpfs copy-on-write backed by a read-only nfs exported chroot which is assembled using a custom |
| 21:47.43 | dgeary2 | script in the initramfs which does not have 'boot=live' on the kernel command line. i suspect i am missing something that would make this configuration simpler. any ideas? |
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| 21:55.49 | [RO]Daniel | hi all, i have debian 8 stable kde, problem is that after i log in everytime i have to select the default (or as in settings appear "prefer") audio device from hdmi to build in otherwise i have no sound trough normal output, i have connected hdmi tv but i want default output on headphones from laptop, can anyone pls tell me what to do? |
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| 21:56.04 | JuggleTux | argh fuck it was my problem after i moved /usr/local/lib/python2.7 every think works fine |
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| 21:56.45 | [RO]Daniel | before i had same system but with gnome and same problem |
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| 21:56.57 | somiaj | [RO]Daniel: are you using alsa or pulseaudio with kde? |
| 21:57.16 | [RO]Daniel | uhm...i don't know, it's default install :) |
| 21:57.19 | somiaj | ir you are using alsa it could be that each time you boot the cards are detected in a different order (not uncommon), but also makes defaults hard to deal with. |
| 21:57.28 | somiaj | [RO]Daniel: ps fax | grep pulse (do you see pulseaudio running) |
| 21:58.19 | [RO]Daniel | 1685 ? S<l 0:14 /usr/bin/pulseaudio --start |
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| 21:58.31 | JuggleTux | somiaj: yeah it's shit i don't get python-pip to install the shit in $HOME/opt/... like i have all my non dist stuff |
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| 21:59.34 | JuggleTux | normaly all what i can't get in the std deb repo i install to $HOME/opt |
| 21:59.41 | somiaj | JuggleTux: if you put puthon on your system you need to make sure it isn't 'default', else packages will fail. Though debian provideds python2.7, you should just need to install python libs if something is missing. |
| 22:00.10 | somiaj | [RO]Daniel: hmm, and you are saying that the kde settings tool doesn't have the way to keep the default set to what you want? |
| 22:00.31 | [RO]Daniel | it has, but it does not "remember" the setting |
| 22:00.36 | somiaj | [RO]Daniel: you could try pavucontrol, it is a tool to control pulseaudio, but the kde tools should be sufficent enough. |
| 22:00.37 | JuggleTux | somiaj: right but the problem was after i upgraded to jessi (and didn; |
| 22:00.50 | JuggleTux | check the prog for a while |
| 22:01.00 | [RO]Daniel | i will try and be back with the result, thx :) |
| 22:01.08 | somiaj | JuggleTux: at least you figured it out. |
| 22:01.11 | JuggleTux | i't just did't wanne start |
| 22:01.34 | qwertyzy | Hi, I've installed Debian 8 on my AMD64 laptop. But the GUI doesn't show up. This is my lspci: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=biAedgL6 and this is my xorg log: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=rKSpshX7 I read on forum that I should install some nonfree package... but I have never done that before on debian. Is this solution normal or what? Thanks. Atm I'm on a Linux Mint machine. |
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| 22:02.37 | JuggleTux | somiaj: yeah was my fault (the problemm was in /usr/local) but the python error was not neare a help |
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| 22:03.27 | JuggleTux | was first thinking the upgrade was shooting it |
| 22:03.27 | [RO]Daniel | somiaj, i installed pavucontrol, how do i disable the default kmix? or should i uninstall it? |
| 22:03.33 | somiaj | qwertyzy: does xorg work normally if you 'startx'. |
| 22:03.46 | somiaj | [RO]Daniel: they both configure pulse, so I think it is fine having them both installed. |
| 22:03.54 | qwertyzy | also, another detail: during installation, I only had two options available. Debian Desktop Environment and the basic syustem tools. nothing like gnome, xfce, mate, etc. |
| 22:04.04 | [RO]Daniel | ok, i'll restart, test and be right back thx again :) |
| 22:04.09 | qwertyzy | somiaj, if I try startx, it shows me a black screen with a better font terminal |
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| 22:04.54 | somiaj | qwertyzy: You have an ati graphics card, do you know what driver you are using for it? |
| 22:04.59 | somiaj | qwertyzy: are you trying to run gnome? |
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| 22:05.40 | somiaj | qwertyzy: debian installer only gives a default desktop as an option. This will be gnome unless you use an xfce, kde, cd1 isntaller or select a different desktop at boot time. |
| 22:06.08 | qwertyzy | somiaj, I expected debian to use a radeon driver (that is what my Linux Mint chose by default). if you say the first cd got only gnome, then gnome it should boot :p but it doesn't. |
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| 22:06.37 | qwertyzy | I really haven't done anything else than installing debian and trying to boot into gnome... failing that. first time in history of debian for me xD |
| 22:06.38 | somiaj | qwertyzy: it does use the radeon driver, but to get 3D acceleration you need the non-free firmware (which debian does not install by default since it is non-free) |
| 22:07.01 | somiaj | qwertyzy: the issue is gnome needs 3D support to run correctly, so missing the non-free firmware could be the issue. Thus you need to install the package linux-firwmare-nonfree. |
| 22:07.04 | somiaj | !non-free |
| 22:07.05 | dpkg | [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 22:07.16 | somiaj | !tell qwertyzy about non-free sources |
| 22:07.32 | somiaj | qwertyzy: you can configure debian to included this non-free sources to install the firmware |
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| 22:08.10 | qwertyzy | I see... i thought there was some other way around... I will try installing the non-free package, then. thanks a lot, somiaj , take care! |
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| 22:08.35 | somiaj | qwertyzy: not if you want 3D support. The firwmare is required for 3D support with the radeon driver. |
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| 22:08.57 | somiaj | qwertyzy: debian just lets you know it is non-free as opposed to just installing it on your system. But if you want 3D that is the only choice. |
| 22:09.19 | qwertyzy | somiaj, I didn't ask yet for 3d support. |
| 22:09.27 | somiaj | gnome requires it |
| 22:09.29 | qwertyzy | but it does look like it is necessary to even JUST boot the gnome |
| 22:09.35 | qwertyzy | yes... i see |
| 22:09.36 | somiaj | you could change your desktop enviorment if you don't want to use gnome. |
| 22:09.56 | qwertyzy | I wanted to give gnome3 a try... I'm one of those still missing gnome 2 times |
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| 22:10.14 | somiaj | maybe use the cinnmon desktop, that is in debian jessie. It is mint's copy of gnome2 |
| 22:10.40 | qwertyzy | i got Mate on Mint... not bad. I'll try cinnamon asap ;) |
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| 22:11.04 | somiaj | I thought mint decided to go with cinimon over mate |
| 22:11.30 | somiaj | !cinnnamon-desktop |
| 22:11.44 | somiaj | !cinnamon-desktop |
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| 22:12.15 | [RO]Daniel | somiaj, it's the same thing, i restarted and the sound was on tv, i had to select from pavucontrol built-in audio analog stereo, it was on built-in audio digital stereo (HDMI) |
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| 22:13.11 | somiaj | [RO]Daniel: I don't use kde or pulse so can't be of much more help than that. I don't know why kde isn't letting you fix the defult sound card. You could maybe ask in #debian-kde on irc.oftc.net (they may have a trick I dno't know of). But be paitent, questions may not be answered right away |
| 22:13.20 | qwertyzy | somiaj, Mint supports both the DEs. Cinnamon is their main DE, but they kinda love Mate too. |
| 22:13.35 | [RO]Daniel | ok thx :) |
| 22:13.51 | somiaj | qwertyzy: yea seems one is gnome2 one is gnome-sheel. I don't use either so I can't keep track. |
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| 22:15.23 | qwertyzy | somiaj, do you advice me to use aptitude or apt? I know that it is better to not mix them. Usually I use apt |
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| 22:16.16 | somiaj | qwertyzy: you can mix them just fine |
| 22:16.32 | qwertyzy | really? I read somewhere it's better not |
| 22:16.36 | somiaj | qwertyzy: they both use the same database, they just have different logic. I prefer apt-get (its faster) but aptitudes logic can be slightly better. |
| 22:17.00 | somiaj | qwertyzy: for debian they work just fine together (there was times in the distance past this wasn't the case, but on current debian releases it is fine) |
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| 22:17.19 | qwertyzy | alright :) thanks |
| 22:17.32 | somiaj | qwertyzy: if you are really interested in some explincation, '/msg dpkg why apt', '/msg dpkg why aptitude', '/msg dpkg why not apt' '/msg dpkg why not aptitude' |
| 22:17.59 | qwertyzy | wow xD ahaahh |
| 22:18.01 | somiaj | qwertyzy: I use apt unless I need one of apts more powerful tools (searches and package matching with search strings is the main one) |
| 22:18.09 | somiaj | arg aptitudes more powerful tools |
| 22:18.42 | somiaj | I think the only time it would matter which one you use is druing a dist-upgrade from one relase to another. Most prefered apt-get some required aptitude |
| 22:18.54 | somiaj | but on stable it won't matter, during an upgrade to the next stable, be sure to read the release notes |
| 22:19.22 | qwertyzy | it won't matter for some years :D jessie just got out ahah |
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| 22:38.03 | courtyen | hello |
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| 22:41.20 | [RO]Daniel | hi |
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| 23:12.00 | asterismo | hi people |
| 23:12.27 | asterismo | i neel to execute a command, startup script when a virtual machine boots up in headless mode |
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| 23:12.32 | asterismo | any idea/. |
| 23:12.44 | asterismo | tried with cron but no luck |
| 23:12.58 | asterismo | i have to execute a startup script as a non-root user |
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| 23:13.32 | Ritzton | Hello |
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| 23:14.58 | Ritzton | Just wanted to know if I choose a live install https://www.debian.org/CD/live/#live-install-stable and then if I reboot, I will lost all the paquet I have installed ? I would like to use the usb key to store the new program, is it possible ? |
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| 23:16.41 | somiaj | Ritzton: what do you mean by live install? Do you want to install the live system on your drive, or do you want to run a live system from a usb drive with persistance? |
| 23:16.47 | Achylles | how can I mount a windows hd on debian. when i type fdisk -l it says gpt, but when I open gparted it says ntfs. I have tried to mount it, but to no avail :( |
| 23:16.49 | somiaj | asterismo: you can use cron with @reboot |
| 23:16.53 | jhutchins | Ritzton: Look at http://pendrivelinux.com for building persistent live images. |
| 23:17.24 | Ritzton | somiaj: yes I would like to run a live system from a usb drive with persistance |
| 23:17.43 | somiaj | Ritzton: debian live images are set up for this, you have to configure it http://live.debian.net/manual/1.x/html/persistence.html |
| 23:17.55 | somiaj | Achylles: install ntfs-3g (partition table shoudln't matter) |
| 23:17.56 | asterismo | somiaj: how is the syntaxis? |
| 23:18.17 | Achylles | somiaj, I have installed that |
| 23:18.32 | Achylles | do I have to reboot the system? |
| 23:18.35 | somiaj | Achylles: the default ntfs driver in the kernel isn't as good as that one over fuse. Then just mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/whatever /path/to/wherevere |
| 23:18.38 | somiaj | Achylles: nope |
| 23:19.04 | somiaj | asterismo: look it up, you just use @reboot as the time for crontab, but users have their own person crontab and can include stuff to run @reboot |
| 23:19.53 | Ritzton | somiaj: yes I have to use pendrivelinux but I am kind of confused about which image I should download the normal one or the live one |
| 23:20.47 | somiaj | Ritzton: I don't know what pendrivelinux is, I'm saying if you use the debian live images, they are set up for persistance and I gave you the documtation on how to configure it |
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| 23:21.18 | asterismo | but the non-root user cron gets executed at startup as well? |
| 23:21.29 | somiaj | debian-live also gives you tools to make your own custom live image. Over all i don't think you need a third party stuff. |
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| 23:22.01 | somiaj | asterismo: cron should be running at start up already. It is an important package. |
| 23:22.14 | asterismo | ok, will try |
| 23:22.26 | asterismo | thanks somiaj, as always |
| 23:22.28 | somiaj | asterismo: and users can write their own crontab. If you have root access you can write an atual startup script (As a service) |
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| 23:23.22 | wh0isthis | W: Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/wheezy/updates/Release Unable to find expected entry 'deb/binary-i386/Packages' in Release file (Wrong sources.list entry or malformed file) |
| 23:23.25 | wh0isthis | E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead. |
| 23:23.28 | wh0isthis | do you know how to fix it? |
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| 23:24.18 | somiaj | wh0isthis: what is the security.debian.org line from your sources.list file, lets double check there is no errors. |
| 23:25.44 | wh0isthis | somiaj: how do i do that? |
| 23:26.10 | srg | wh0isthis: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:26.24 | srg | open it in a text editor and pastebin the contents to a paste site, like pastebin.com or something |
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| 23:27.03 | somiaj | better to suggest paste.debian.net (pastbin linsk aren't like by some due to to many adds and caputulas) |
| 23:27.09 | zykotick9 | paste.debian.net <- 1000x better then pastebin.com |
| 23:27.32 | srg | They all work the same to me with a modern browser and adblocker. I didn't know people use the internet without adblockers. |
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| 23:27.41 | wh0isthis | srg https://paste.debian.net/174095/ there you go |
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| 23:29.09 | somiaj | wh0isthis: looks fine. One suggestion is to use http.debian.net over ftp.nl.debian.org and ftp.debian.org (should also use at least ftp.nl.debian.org there). But that won't fix your issue. your security sources look fine |
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| 23:29.29 | somiaj | wh0isthis: could be a dns issue and you aren't resoving security.debian.org correctly to get to an active security mirror. |
| 23:29.50 | wh0isthis | somiaj: so what to do |
| 23:29.51 | wh0isthis | ? |
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| 23:30.24 | somiaj | wh0isthis: you could try to see if you are getting a decent security mirror. try ping security.debian.org |
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| 23:30.48 | zykotick9 | wh0isthis: is it really non-fre <- note fre vs free (or just a copy/paste issue?) /me doesn't know if security actually covers contrib/non-free... |
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| 23:31.27 | wh0isthis | zykotick9: have no idea what you are asking for? |
| 23:31.40 | wh0isthis | somiaj: 28 packets transmitted, 28 received, 0% packet loss, time 31981ms |
| 23:31.42 | srg | wh0isthis: There's a typo. you wrote "non-fre" instead of "non-free" |
| 23:31.43 | zykotick9 | wh0isthis: you're paste says "non-fre" |
| 23:32.08 | somiaj | wh0isthis: oh listen to zykotick9, you do have an error in your sources, I glanced over that. Or you didn't copy/paste the whiole thing. |
| 23:33.19 | wh0isthis | it should be non-free :) sorry for that |
| 23:33.45 | wh0isthis | i didnt copy/paste the whole thing |
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| 23:34.07 | wh0isthis | somiaj: and the ping are working fine |
| 23:34.11 | wh0isthis | so what to do? :/ |
| 23:34.18 | somiaj | wh0isthis: what server responded, did it give you a dns name? |
| 23:34.53 | wh0isthis | 64 bytes from villa.debian.org (212.211.132.32): icmp_req=1 ttl=60 time=39.7 ms |
| 23:34.54 | wh0isthis | 64 bytes from villa.debian.org (212.211.132.32): icmp_req=2 ttl=60 time=40.8 ms |
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| 23:36.40 | somiaj | wh0isthis: try apt-get update again, it could be the server villa.debian.org is having problems. |
| 23:36.56 | wh0isthis | somiaj no its not |
| 23:37.13 | wh0isthis | somiaj same error since few days ago |
| 23:37.14 | somiaj | wh0isthis: still getting the same error when you run apt-get update again? |
| 23:37.18 | wh0isthis | yep |
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| 23:37.41 | somiaj | wh0isthis: my guess is it is the server you are getting redirected to. I'm unsure who to contact for this. Or how to find a close security mirror |
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| 23:38.02 | somiaj | wh0isthis: I can give you the mirror I get reidreicted to, but it is in usa, which may not be the best choice for you. |
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| 23:39.35 | wh0isthis | somiaj what are you meaning by "redirected" |
| 23:39.37 | wh0isthis | ? |
| 23:39.45 | somiaj | wh0isthis: https://www.debian.org/security/faq#contact I would send an email and metion that villa.debian.org seems to be down. |
| 23:40.03 | wh0isthis | somiaj: it is not? i just ping it |
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| 23:40.20 | somiaj | wh0isthis: security.debian.org is a dns redirector, depending on your location and dns server it will find you the ip of a close security server. |
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| 23:40.42 | somiaj | wh0isthis: the one you are being reidrected to seems to be down (just because you get a ping doesn't mean it is working, it could be the webserver is down or something else) |
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| 23:41.28 | somiaj | wh0isthis: or it is a bug in the Release file ont hat server, either way it is an issue with the server. I would contact security about it. And unsure the best way to use another mirror in the time being. |
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| 23:42.28 | wh0isthis | somiaj: i getting the same error even if i disable all mirrors |
| 23:43.41 | wh0isthis | W: Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/wheezy/updates/Release Unable to find expected entry 'deb/binary-i386/Packages' in Release file (Wrong sources.list entry or malformed file) |
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| 23:44.04 | wh0isthis | i am not even using http://security.debian.org/ any more |
| 23:44.22 | somiaj | do you have any files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
| 23:44.54 | wh0isthis | somiaj: yes wheezy.non-free.list |
| 23:45.22 | wh0isthis | deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy non-free |
| 23:45.22 | wh0isthis | deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates non-free deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile wheezy/volatile non-free |
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| 23:46.39 | wh0isthis | E: GPG error: http://volatile.debian.org wheezy/volatile Release: The following signatures were invalid: NODATA 1 NODATA 2 |
| 23:47.15 | somiaj | wh0isthis: that is why, you still have the security sources, you can remove that file (or just move it somehwere else as a backupt) to remove all sources. |
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| 23:48.01 | wh0isthis | somiaj: thanks |
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| 23:52.43 | somiaj | wh0isthis: hmm, when testing the villa.debian.org mirror I don't get that error. Wonder if there is some issue with a cached file. But after you removed those secondary files in sources.list.d and reinabled your soruces did it work? |
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