| 00:00.41 | Grobalour | geoffmcc: why is "dist-upgrade" important? Isn't just useful when you switch from v7 to v8 (wheezy to jessie) for example? |
| 00:00.48 | Doxin | after killing a runaway process that started munching memory it takes a *long* time before the system is back to being performant again. what gives? |
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| 00:01.27 | maazu | Doxin: did you allocate enough swap space during installation? |
| 00:01.43 | geoffmcc | Grobalour: Sometimes during the normal upgrade, you will see a message that some packages have been held back. dist-upgrade takes care of those....or maybe I am confusing with Ubuntu. |
| 00:02.02 | Doxin | maazu: wouldn't a small amount of swap lead to processes not starting or getting killed? I get freezes in existing processes |
| 00:02.07 | mtn | Grobalour: you would use dist-upgrade if you were running testing or unstable |
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| 00:02.24 | Doxin | maazu: which makes sense if memory is up, but why does it take so long to reclaim the now free memory? |
| 00:02.24 | mtn | Grobalour: and of course, you could break down and read the man page ;) |
| 00:02.34 | maazu | Doxin: i allocate a ratio of 2:1 root partition - swap partition |
| 00:03.07 | awal1 | geoffmcc: -y for purge and dist-upgrade isn't recommended, you "shouldn't" do that |
| 00:03.10 | Doxin | maazu: I've got 78Gigs of swap it seems. |
| 00:03.20 | maazu | Doxin: and your / ? |
| 00:03.33 | Doxin | how is my root partition relevant to swap space? |
| 00:03.50 | Doxin | my root partition is 38gigs |
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| 00:03.55 | Doxin | 19 used |
| 00:04.02 | maazu | copying files across root -> swap when memory runs low and back again after memory frees |
| 00:04.23 | Doxin | that's clearly not the issue here |
| 00:04.41 | Doxin | maazu: the runaway process is tying up memory in a calculation, not in loading other processes. |
| 00:04.43 | maazu | Doxin: ok, then no problems, you have more than enuf swap space |
| 00:05.04 | Doxin | well obviously there are problems, since it takes a good 15 minutes for it to stop stuttering |
| 00:05.10 | geoffmcc | awal1: yeah that is kinda dumb of me, i think i have been lucky, but i guess that could always run out |
| 00:05.12 | maazu | Doxin: pkill runaway process if it takes too long or too much memory |
| 00:05.17 | Doxin | maazu: I did. |
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| 00:05.27 | Doxin | maazu: after that it takes 15 minutes to return to normal |
| 00:05.36 | Doxin | maazu: usually it's faster to reboot outright |
| 00:05.57 | awal1 | geoffmcc: almost if you run testing/unstable... |
| 00:06.18 | maazu | gotta go |
| 00:06.22 | maazu | Doxin: good luck |
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| 00:07.10 | Doxin | so anyone else know why cleaning up a runaway process takes 15 minutes? I get stutters when doing the simplest stuff. |
| 00:07.29 | SynrG | geoffmcc: it's a really good way to shoot yourself in the foot if you're on testing or unstable. it's not a matter of if, but *when* you get burned by that |
| 00:07.53 | geoffmcc | SynrG: yeah, i am starting to realize that |
| 00:07.59 | geoffmcc | never again |
| 00:08.24 | SynrG | you need to be able to tell it "no, do not do this stupid thing you proposed, apt" |
| 00:08.39 | SynrG | e.g. removal of essential parts of your system |
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| 00:14.33 | geoffmcc | Doxin: just wondering, what are you using to get your memory stats, 'top' or 'free -m'? |
| 00:15.34 | Doxin | geoffmcc: to be honest that is a bit of a guesstimate on my part. I can't exactly get anything open once I get it into this wedged state. a glance at my load indicates that that isn't the problem though |
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| 00:16.30 | geoffmcc | Doxin: I just wasnt sure if it was a caching issue, but im not sure that would slow you down so much. but I am admitadly a noob |
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| 00:18.01 | Doxin | geoffmcc: how can it be a caching issue? I should have plenty of memory, especially after I kill the process |
| 00:18.12 | wh0isthis | how do i set date in console? |
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| 00:19.20 | mtn | wh0isthis: use the date command. man date for details |
| 00:19.33 | loop3r | hi, I am trying first time draw moving object in java, and I can't figure out how to work with rounding coordinates, I did normalize vector, and one of cords is that small it only moves one direction ;/ |
| 00:19.50 | Doxin | loop3r: that question isn't really debian related is it? |
| 00:19.51 | dvs | ??? |
| 00:19.56 | Doxin | loop3r: try #java or the like. |
| 00:20.03 | loop3r | Doxin: oh my god sorry guys |
| 00:20.04 | solrize | hi i have an old eee pc 701 and can't loginto it so i'm thinking of installing debian 8. it's a real slow cpu with 1gb of ram and low res screen (i think 800x600 but maybe not even that). what's the right window manager? i downloaded the xfce one but is lxde preferable? i don't remember what's what. i presume kde is way too bloated. thanks |
| 00:20.09 | loop3r | i was thinking i am on @java :D |
| 00:20.12 | Doxin | loop3r: wrong tab I suppose :P |
| 00:20.16 | loop3r | #java* |
| 00:20.22 | loop3r | Doxin: indeed :D |
| 00:20.39 | Doxin | loop3r: at least it wasn't anything embarrassing :P |
| 00:20.41 | dvs | solrize: Either one of those is fine. |
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| 00:22.00 | loop3r | Doxin: its good to hear that :P |
| 00:22.24 | Doxin | loop3r: it could've been a PHP question *shudder* |
| 00:22.26 | solrize | thanks |
| 00:23.01 | loop3r | Doxin: but if it was Laravel related?:P |
| 00:23.32 | Doxin | eh, using a framework to fix a broken language isn't exactly great either :P |
| 00:24.16 | loop3r | Doxin: mhm last try HHMV :D |
| 00:24.27 | loop3r | HHVM* |
| 00:24.56 | geoffmcc | Doxin: I dont think i understood at first how bogged down your system was. Like i said, noob. I noticed once while transfer files via samba it ate a ton of memory and would never give back even after the transfer was done. Only would get back when i unmounted and remounted drive. I was then learned top takes into account memory being used for caching and was told free -m was a better command to see actual |
| 00:25.02 | geoffmcc | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:25.26 | Doxin | loop3r: still not a big fan :P |
| 00:25.39 | Doxin | loop3r: python/flask makes me a much happier man than php ever could |
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| 00:26.43 | loop3r | Doxin: I dont doubt :D |
| 00:27.05 | loop3r | Doxin: ok i have to back to my work, cya! |
| 00:27.09 | Doxin | have fun! |
| 00:27.12 | kailo | it seems like a bunch of sid packages snuck into my box. How do I replace all of them with jessie counterparts? |
| 00:27.32 | kailo | In the past I only wanted qt5 and qtcreator from sid |
| 00:27.56 | kailo | but when I try doing a dist-upgrade, many of the packages are coming from sid |
| 00:28.04 | mtn | kailo: https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian |
| 00:28.22 | mtn | kailo: I see a reinstall in your future ;) |
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| 00:28.37 | kailo | that seems pretty unnecessary |
| 00:28.47 | mtn | kailo: good to know |
| 00:29.08 | mtn | !downgrade |
| 00:29.09 | dpkg | Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 00:30.02 | wh0isthis | date: cannot set date: Operation not permitted |
| 00:30.03 | wh0isthis | what is this about? |
| 00:30.35 | kailo | !unstable->testing |
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| 00:31.01 | nicholosophy | wh0isthis: as root/sudo? |
| 00:31.03 | kailo | !partial downgrade |
| 00:31.03 | mtn | kailo: you can use /msg dpkg unstable->testing |
| 00:31.03 | dpkg | This may or may not work for you, but if you've got nothing to lose then try it: (a) change sources.list (b) aptitude update (c) aptitude and then search for the upgraded packages, hit enter on them, select the correct version (d) do the same for libc6 (e) search for broken packages by pressing "b" and then fix them in the same way (f) once you have no more broken packages, hit 'g'. See <not available>. |
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| 00:32.29 | mtn | abrotman: you meant that for kailo, right? |
| 00:32.44 | abrotman | no |
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| 00:39.31 | wh0isthis | i am using su date |
| 00:39.38 | wh0isthis | and it say |
| 00:39.48 | wh0isthis | No passwd entry for user 'date' |
| 00:39.54 | wh0isthis | what to do? |
| 00:40.42 | EriC^^ | sudo date |
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| 00:42.12 | badbodh | try 'su date -s /bin/bash' |
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| 00:42.35 | dvs | badbodh: no |
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| 00:43.01 | badbodh | ok |
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| 00:51.38 | zRecursive | The <HOME> and <END> key donot work in emacs in Jessie ? I want <HOME> = C-a, <END>=C-e . |
| 00:52.25 | ryouma | zRecursive: try c-h c home. what does it say? |
| 00:53.00 | ryouma | also, are you running gui or terminal? |
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| 00:53.38 | zRecursive | ryouma: i will test it later as it is another debian box. |
| 00:54.06 | zRecursive | it is X with DWM as window manager |
| 00:54.53 | ryouma | you can set it using (define-key) in your .emacs |
| 00:55.06 | zRecursive | ok |
| 00:55.08 | ryouma | also use kbd |
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| 00:59.14 | kiko_ | Hi, arch linux user here. My laptop doesn't show battery status in sysfs while debian wiki says its available kernel >=3.19. Does debian patch to its kernel ? If so, what's the best way to find out the difference? |
| 00:59.28 | dvs | !arch |
| 00:59.29 | dpkg | methinks arch is a hardware architecture (i386, amd64, armel, mips, mipsel, sparc, powerpc, alpha, hppa, s390 && ia64). Also a source control revision system (GNU arch). Arch (and its twin brother ArX) resides at http://arch.fifthvision.net/, or http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=5928, or #arch Since lenny, /bin/arch has disappeared, use "uname -m" instead, or <architecture>, or <arch linux>. |
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| 01:00.16 | lanodan | !arch linux |
| 01:00.16 | dpkg | Arch Linux is an a i686 optimized linux distribution which claims to be minimalistic and fast, has binary and source based package management. http://www.archlinux.org/ #archlinux on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 01:05.10 | kiko_ | I'd like to know what made the BAT* available in debian. I hope not taken this as Arch related question. |
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| 01:12.55 | Brigo | kiko_, what is BAT*? |
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| 01:13.58 | kiko_ | Brigo: battery status in sysfs, ie. /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0 |
| 01:14.30 | Brigo | kiko_, then the answer shuould be the kernel |
| 01:14.55 | abrotman | kiko_: there's a package of Debian patches, but you can also download the package and extract it to get to the config |
| 01:15.09 | dvs | ...on arch |
| 01:16.30 | kiko_ | abrotman: Thanks. There might be patches which debian applys to kernel but not merged upstream. Am I understanding correctly? |
| 01:16.46 | abrotman | kiko_: could be, but unlikely |
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| 01:18.10 | kiko_ | I see. Ah so it is more likely some kernel configuration is missing here. |
| 01:18.37 | kiko_ | I will start from there. Thanks! |
| 01:18.42 | Brigo | kiko_, are you building you own kernel? |
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| 01:20.54 | kiko_ | Brigo: No, running distro's. |
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| 01:26.21 | n3ss_ | is there a spacewalk/cobbler like solution that works with debian? |
| 01:26.40 | n3ss_ | mostly just looking for some kind of imaging solution |
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| 01:28.23 | abrotman | n3ss_: those things are what? |
| 01:29.37 | n3ss_ | RHEL systems management/provisioning/configuration management |
| 01:29.51 | n3ss_ | mostly interested in the provisioning bit, other tools can do the rest... |
| 01:29.52 | abrotman | n3ss_: you mean like puppet/chef/ansible/salt ? |
| 01:30.50 | abrotman | notes wikipedia says Spacewalk6 is based on Puppet/Foreman |
| 01:30.57 | abrotman | sorry, Satellite |
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| 01:32.08 | n3ss_ | mostly looking for something like cobbler, for network installation |
| 01:32.27 | abrotman | fai or preseeding or dphys |
| 01:33.02 | Brigo | i was playing with simple-cdd some days ago, quite easy. |
| 01:33.16 | n3ss_ | great. thanks |
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| 02:49.33 | kisser | ;q |
| 02:49.51 | dvs | !exit |
| 02:49.51 | dpkg | /quit you fool! |
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| 02:52.16 | zoku | anyone have much experience with iwlwifi? |
| 02:52.23 | zoku | i dunno if my firmware is messed up, or my electronics :( |
| 02:52.41 | abrotman | post logs or problems |
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| 02:55.08 | zoku | http://pastebin.com/cBDTn2k7 |
| 02:55.14 | zoku | it works after reboot for a while |
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| 02:57.09 | rue_shop3 | hey, I'm trying to net isntall debian on a system with a plain old ide hard drive, and it says it cant detect a disk, WTF? |
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| 02:59.04 | rue_shop3 | ? |
| 03:01.04 | rue_shop3 | debian is broke, cant install! major bug! |
| 03:02.19 | BlackJack | not true |
| 03:02.24 | BlackJack | 7.8 is still usable |
| 03:02.40 | rue_shop3 | ah, someone is alive! |
| 03:02.44 | BlackJack | yeah |
| 03:02.49 | BlackJack | from the grave |
| 03:02.50 | rue_shop3 | so, whats up!? it cant find a plain old ide drive? |
| 03:03.37 | BlackJack | maybe it has no drivers for it |
| 03:03.49 | BlackJack | i dont know. are you sure that hard drive is being detected on your BIOS? |
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| 03:04.34 | zoku | you'll still need drivers for IDE drives rue |
| 03:05.26 | BlackJack | so you heard that rue_shop3? |
| 03:05.40 | BlackJack | you need IDE drivers. but i dont know how to tell you where to get it. |
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| 03:05.46 | zoku | rue_shop3: try ata_generic |
| 03:05.54 | zoku | they should be built in BlackJack |
| 03:06.00 | zoku | er, sorry, not built in, but installed |
| 03:06.06 | BlackJack | sudo apt-get install ata_generic ? |
| 03:06.07 | zoku | they'll just have to be inserted |
| 03:06.16 | zoku | nope, `modprobe ata_generic` |
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| 03:06.50 | zoku | and/or try pata_atiixp |
| 03:06.59 | BlackJack | hey zoku. you still on debian 7 ? |
| 03:07.08 | zoku | i don't have any systems with IDE to check though |
| 03:07.12 | zoku | nope, i run sid BlackJack |
| 03:07.26 | BlackJack | what version is sid |
| 03:07.30 | zoku | unstable |
| 03:07.33 | BlackJack | debian 8? |
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| 03:07.44 | zoku | yea, it's newer than deb 8 |
| 03:07.52 | BlackJack | ah. ok |
| 03:07.52 | zoku | i've had the debian 8 bootsplash for a while now |
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| 03:08.08 | BlackJack | i think debian 8 is the new stable version |
| 03:08.13 | zoku | yup |
| 03:08.16 | BlackJack | and 7.8 would be what now? (also stable?) |
| 03:08.25 | tattoli | oldstable |
| 03:08.32 | BlackJack | ok. correct |
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| 03:20.27 | rue_shop3 | there is no ata_generic in the isntaller list |
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| 03:21.21 | deego | How does mint show me this upon login? "0 packages can be updated. 0 updates are security updates." How can I configure debian to do the same? |
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| 03:22.47 | somiaj | deego: you just need a package update-notifier or somehting like that |
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| 03:23.19 | somiaj | hmm, looks like that is now a gnome specific thing, I think there is other tools. |
| 03:23.27 | deego | somiaj: ah, that's for gnome systrays. I was hoping thing non-gui, for bash logins |
| 03:23.31 | rue_shop3 | my buddy is beside me installing slakware with floppies and he's winning |
| 03:23.56 | somiaj | deego: you could see what mint does, debian may have the package but not sure. |
| 03:23.59 | deego | with floppies?? not punch cards? |
| 03:24.07 | deego | somiaj: yeah, trying to figure it out, but can't yet |
| 03:24.24 | hikenboot | hi is loading ext4 module dependent upon a certain set of packages. my install seems to be unable to load ext4 module |
| 03:24.47 | hikenboot | it is enabled in kernel as far as i can see |
| 03:25.09 | hikenboot | as a module |
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| 03:25.39 | zacts | hi, is it possible to chroot a debian userland on-top of another distro? |
| 03:25.45 | somiaj | hikenboot: are you using a default kernel or custom kernel. |
| 03:25.53 | zacts | (and I hope this is a proper irc channel for this question) |
| 03:26.02 | somiaj | zacts: provided the kernel can run the binaries you choose to put in the chroot |
| 03:26.09 | zacts | it will be a linux kernel |
| 03:26.16 | zacts | and linux debian, of the same arch |
| 03:26.18 | zacts | amd64 |
| 03:26.34 | zacts | although, the host distro may be something non-dpkg or non-debian derived |
| 03:26.41 | somiaj | zacts: will work jsut fine, most distros provided debootstrap to help create such a chroot so you don't have to download that script from debian. |
| 03:26.46 | zacts | cool |
| 03:26.50 | somiaj | doesn't matter, once you are in the chroot you'll be fine |
| 03:27.00 | zacts | so, how should I run individual apps from the chroot on the host system? |
| 03:27.08 | zacts | without needing to chroot everytime I run the apps |
| 03:27.27 | zacts | and also, can I run an entire desktop wm from the chroot, without actually using the chroot command? |
| 03:27.45 | zacts | I'm hoping ideally I would only need chroot for apt-get installs and sysadmin things |
| 03:27.55 | zacts | although, perhaps I should just do something like bedrock linux? |
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| 03:28.01 | zacts | http://bedrocklinux.org |
| 03:28.06 | hikenboot | I tried the kernel in testing (stretch) but it didnt work so i tried a later kernel with same config. I found a few kernel parameters for ext4 support and they all seem to be there |
| 03:28.31 | zacts | the reason is, I want to run a new up-and coming distro gnu guix as my host for development, and then run debian on top of it |
| 03:28.50 | zacts | and on my other machines, I would like to run a chrooted debian sid on top of a host jessie |
| 03:29.05 | bdols | how do i make whatever version of gnome that jessie has only page up one page of text when i click the mouse button on a scroll bar? |
| 03:29.21 | bdols | also, is vim fixed yet |
| 03:29.22 | bdols | thanks |
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| 03:32.30 | zRecursive | How can i remove all those nfs* modules ? it is just a personal desktop so i donot need NFS relatives ? |
| 03:32.33 | somiaj | deego: http://www.howtogeek.com/104708/how-to-customize-ubuntus-message-of-the-day/ -- something like that hould work. You can try to find notifiers, but you could also jsut write a cronjob that runs apt-get update reguarally and then changes the motd |
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| 03:32.47 | hikenboot | modprobe gies me the error insert 'ext4' unknown symbol in module or unknown parameter. this is on a chroot built on stretch thats loaded as a live cd. |
| 03:32.49 | somiaj | zacts: look into schroot |
| 03:33.03 | zacts | ok |
| 03:33.06 | zacts | let me check it out |
| 03:33.09 | hikenboot | using syslinux |
| 03:34.18 | hikenboot | was working but some updates seem to have broken it...unfortunately not sure how far back the series of updates, since i didnt notice it and have made several series of changes |
| 03:34.38 | somiaj | hikenboot: do you have a blacklist for some reason? But ext4 should be a fairly basic module that gets loaded. Only thing I coudl thik of is using an unoffical kernel |
| 03:35.11 | somiaj | hikenboot: you aren't going to be able to modprobe a module inside a chroot into the kernel running outside the chroot. |
| 03:35.53 | somiaj | hikenboot: if the kernel inside the chroot doesn't match the kernel outside the chroot the modules won't agree. You also should probabaly only load modules outside the chroot (not inside it), i.e. the host machine that is in control of the kernel. |
| 03:36.16 | hikenboot | I do not see it under modprobe.d anywhere |
| 03:36.51 | hikenboot | No i have been building a live cd from the chroot (old method not livebuild) |
| 03:37.07 | hikenboot | its been working not sure what happened |
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| 03:37.37 | hikenboot | is there any one package i can install that triggers all ext4 dependencies? |
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| 03:38.30 | somiaj | hikenboot: oh so the issue is with the kernel that gets put on the live image, not that you are trying to mount form inside a chroot? |
| 03:38.43 | hikenboot | other problem i notice is dmesg error log doesnt seem to populate |
| 03:38.55 | somiaj | I haven't messed with live builds, maybe there was a change in how live builds work from chroot, did you check the changelog? |
| 03:38.58 | hikenboot | yes |
| 03:39.10 | hikenboot | changelog no |
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| 03:40.14 | hikenboot | directions are poor using livebuid (dont start from the beginning) so I have been using the better documented old method |
| 03:40.53 | hikenboot | what causes dmesg to populate |
| 03:41.05 | hikenboot | some how i think this is related |
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| 03:48.13 | deego | somiaj: thanks |
| 03:48.42 | hikenboot | reinstalling initscripts and all its dependecies...see what happens..thanks |
| 03:49.55 | somiaj | hikenboot: have you been trying to recover this chroot? Try to make a new fresh chroot, then maybe /msg dpgk aptitude clone |
| 03:50.56 | deego | somiaj: ++. thanks a lot for that info. |
| 03:52.25 | somiaj | deego: running console or graphical apps inside the chroot? |
| 03:53.14 | deego | somiaj: oh, i was thanking you for detailed motd info. |
| 03:53.37 | somiaj | deego: oh yea, nevermind, I get people messed up to easy. |
| 03:53.43 | somiaj | don't drink and tech support! |
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| 04:03.54 | kaelkhan | Hello guys |
| 04:04.13 | kaelkhan | Erro SQUID - "FATAL: The ssl_crtd helpers are crashing too rapidly, need help!" |
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| 04:04.22 | kaelkhan | Can anyone help me? |
| 04:05.04 | somiaj | kaelkhan: same problem? Have you looked for squid specific support channel or mailing list? |
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| 04:06.27 | kaelkhan | somiaj: Yes, and no solution found |
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| 04:07.31 | somiaj | kaelkhan: http://www.squid-cache.org/mail-archive/squid-users/201209/0086.html -- I'm finding various hits in google. But squid mailing list may be a better bet. |
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| 04:13.52 | kaelkhan | somiaj: No explains a solution |
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| 04:19.48 | hikenboot | somiaj, thanks I guess I will try that or maybe I will break down and try to learn the livebuild process |
| 04:20.43 | n32095 | i just want to tell you guys that debian is total rubbish |
| 04:20.52 | somiaj | hikenboot: I think the livebuild process makes a nicer image from what I have read. I think the documentation about taking a basic livebuild image (say take the standard image or rescue image they build) and making it yousrelf is a good way to learn. Then start tweaking which apckages are installed. |
| 04:21.43 | Rusty1 | n32095: thanks, run along now |
| 04:22.35 | Magic-Fx | lol |
| 04:22.41 | Magic-Fx | ew. apple. |
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| 04:34.53 | ryouma | i am trying to get my new internal drive to boot. i have created a chroot, and run "update-initramfs -c -k all" and update-grub, dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc. it now comes up with a grub menu, but no menu items work. is this menu wrong in some obvious way? http://paste.debian.net/173592/ the uuid is /boot (sda1). /root is sda3. |
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| 04:49.13 | tsun | Umm, what chmod number do I need to put to get a file that has a permission of "-rw-r--r--" ? |
| 04:50.03 | ryouma | 644 |
| 04:50.13 | ryouma | it's octal, with each thingie being 1 |
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| 04:50.26 | tsun | hmm |
| 04:50.27 | ryouma | thus, 110 100 100 |
| 04:50.46 | tsun | oh, how do I learn about this more? What should I look for? |
| 04:51.00 | ryouma | you can think of it as 3 decimal digits each representing one triple of binary bits |
| 04:51.15 | ryouma | "how to count in binary" |
| 04:51.20 | tsun | oh lol ;_; |
| 04:51.31 | ryouma | there are also the weird bits like sticky bit; see man chmod or something similar |
| 04:51.46 | tsun | ok |
| 04:52.13 | ryouma | having said that, you can mostly forget about the numbers :) just us u+x etc. |
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| 04:53.07 | tsun | oh, alright that works too |
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| 05:00.11 | zRecursi` | How can i stop the nfs relative modules ? |
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| 05:06.24 | superfast | hi |
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| 05:42.05 | Doyle | Question: preconfiguration only did about half the stuff the file was setup to do. Can someone proof it for me? The Successes and failures are noted. |
| 05:42.06 | Doyle | http://pastebin.com/mzATaAe1 |
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| 05:44.58 | maziar | i'm installed debian 8, and its seem's my ssh connection has problem, when i try to ssh it has delay for promnting for password, how could i , decrease my delay time? |
| 05:47.22 | Remram | maziar: disable reverse DNS lookups? |
| 05:47.43 | maziar | Remram, what do you mean ? |
| 05:47.47 | Remram | "UseDNS no" in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 05:47.53 | Remram | I mean what I said |
| 05:48.25 | maziar | Remram, oh ok, but i try to ssh to my ip, does it matter ? |
| 05:48.38 | Remram | doesn't make a difference |
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| 05:50.19 | maziar | Remram, tanQ a lot |
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| 06:06.36 | zRecursi` | i donot see why the default installation starts NFS module(s) ? |
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| 06:38.51 | JadedFunk | Hi, I'm trying to get my 2006 macbook to boot into Windows 7 64-bit, but it has a 32-bit EFI |
| 06:38.58 | JadedFunk | Is there a way around this? |
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| 06:40.41 | phy1729 | JadedFunk: this is #debian |
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| 06:41.14 | JadedFunk | hmmm |
| 06:41.16 | JadedFunk | Sorry |
| 06:41.28 | JadedFunk | I thought there would be some GRUB gurus here |
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| 06:47.16 | zacts | hello, what is the proper way to install a backported iceweasel, a more recent iceweasel, on jessie? |
| 06:47.19 | zacts | the mozilla.debian.net tutorial is outdated |
| 06:47.22 | zacts | (and should I even use the mozilla.debian.net repos at all? are they official?) |
| 06:47.59 | zacts | hm.. I just found this link https://wiki.debian.org/Backports |
| 06:48.05 | zacts | let me try something like this I guess? o_O |
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| 06:50.57 | blixten | JadedFunk: test #grub |
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| 07:11.05 | Agiofws | can anyone tell me why my gnome terminals don't match up exactly when i try to fit them into the same workspace? there will allways be a GAP or they will overlap does anyone have an explanation for this behavior? |
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| 07:13.38 | scottj | Agiofws: the window can probably only be resized in full lines/columns so depending on the size of the font you can only resize by the width or height of your font. |
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| 07:15.10 | Agiofws | scottj, i don't think its a matter of 'size of fonts' but i will check if thats the issue |
| 07:15.31 | zacts | hm... I guess jessie-backports doesn't have a new iceweasel yet |
| 07:15.33 | zacts | it's ok |
| 07:15.44 | zacts | I just can't get my keysnail plugin working with it for some reason |
| 07:16.03 | zacts | or perhaps, the name conflict of 'iceweasel' versus 'firefox' is confusing keysnail |
| 07:16.08 | zacts | but I'll figure it out |
| 07:16.12 | zacts | no big deal |
| 07:16.14 | zacts | :-) |
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| 07:22.15 | Shibe | guys this is a nooby question but |
| 07:22.20 | Shibe | say I were to use the pypy zip file |
| 07:22.23 | Shibe | extract it to some folder |
| 07:22.28 | Shibe | can I access it from any folder? |
| 07:22.36 | Shibe | like can I run "pypy scriptname" in /media/? |
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| 07:23.31 | bezaban | Shibe: the executable needs to be in a folder in your PATH if you want to use it like that |
| 07:23.37 | Flynnn | the presence of .bash_profile in /home/pi somehow removes SSH text coloring |
| 07:23.40 | Shibe | oh Okay |
| 07:23.45 | Flynnn | What's going on here, and how do I stop it? |
| 07:23.59 | bezaban | shibe: but you can freely add to it. also I think /home/user/bin might be in path per default, but not sure |
| 07:24.07 | bezaban | env | grep PATH |
| 07:24.08 | babilen | It's not |
| 07:24.20 | bezaban | ah, that's something I push with salt then |
| 07:24.22 | bezaban | :) |
| 07:25.05 | babilen | Just "echo $PATH" and check if it is. A snippet such as http://paste.debian.net/174847/ works nicely (adjust the path being added as needed) |
| 07:25.20 | babilen | bezaban: saltstack ftw! ;) |
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| 07:26.02 | bezaban | babilen: yes! Not had time to add much to it lately, but should hop back on the channel for inspiration |
| 07:26.22 | babilen | Shibe: There are, however, many better ways to use pypy (it is packaged for example) |
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| 07:26.29 | Shibe | Okay |
| 07:26.30 | babilen | judd: v pypy |
| 07:26.31 | judd | Package: pypy on amd64 -- stretch: 2.4.0+dfsg-3; jessie: 2.4.0+dfsg-3; sid: 2.4.0+dfsg-3; experimental: 2.5.1+dfsg-1 |
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| 07:26.42 | Shibe | anyways I dot have much acess to the machine besides being able to run python scripts |
| 07:26.42 | Shibe | bye |
| 07:26.45 | babilen | So it is just an "apt install pypy" away |
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| 07:27.00 | bezaban | well, wouldn't need much access |
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| 07:33.22 | Agiofws | can someone tell me why can i resize for example a chrome or xchat window to my will and not a gnome terminal? that defaults to specific widths and heights for example ? |
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| 07:47.44 | Flynnn | omg... after 15 hours, finally, the infinite loop stops |
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| 07:48.02 | Flynnn | whoops, wrong channel |
| 07:48.16 | buu | Doesn't sound very infinite. |
| 07:49.35 | fireba11 | :-D |
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| 07:54.58 | [RO]Daniel | anyone know a good looking chess game? |
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| 07:55.55 | stojic | [RO]Daniel: pychess is nice, but it isn't available in the repos afaik |
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| 07:56.30 | [RO]Daniel | then...where do i get it? it is safe? |
| 07:57.16 | stojic | [RO]Daniel: Sorry, I was wrong, it is in the repos. |
| 07:57.33 | [RO]Daniel | nice! thank you |
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| 07:58.18 | stojic | [RO]Daniel: I remember installing a .deb from pychess.org, but it was only to get a newer version than the one in Wheezy. You're welcome. |
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| 07:58.26 | [RO]Daniel | :) |
| 07:59.53 | [RO]Daniel | i also found dreamchess wich is more...3d nice graphics but for some reason it does not let me change to the proper resolution |
| 08:00.23 | [RO]Daniel | i'll give pychess a try :) |
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| 08:01.36 | stojic | [RO]Daniel: I did a rather extensive search of chess programs a while back and I think pychess has the best combination of features and looks. |
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| 08:01.55 | [RO]Daniel | :) thx |
| 08:02.24 | centrx | So I and everyone should change mirror URLs to point to httpredir.debian.org is that the idea? |
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| 08:05.21 | [RO]Daniel | what do you meen centrx? |
| 08:05.56 | centrx | https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2015/05/msg00003.html |
| 08:05.59 | [RO]Daniel | stojic, guess what, i found chess on steam, verry nice |
| 08:06.13 | [RO]Daniel | it's not free, it's a pack actually but i don't mind :) |
| 08:06.35 | stojic | [RO]Daniel: Nice). |
| 08:06.40 | stojic | *:) |
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| 08:09.01 | maziar__ | any body can help me http://pastebin.com/5C5y7nUJ |
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| 08:11.11 | centrx | maziar__, Have you read /usr/share/doc/postgresql-common/README.Debian.gz ? |
| 08:11.34 | maziar__ | centrx, no , what do you mean ? |
| 08:12.09 | centrx | maziar__, That's a file that comes with the postgresql package, has straightforward instructions on how to set up a DB/user |
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| 08:12.53 | centrx | maziar__, "could not change directory to "/root": Permission denied" means the 'postgres' user can't access the current directory (pwd, /root) |
| 08:13.12 | centrx | maziar__, The rest means the server itself is not running (probably /etc/init.d/postgresql start) |
| 08:13.12 | maziar__ | centrx, i set it up and its work fine , but now i ahave problem whit it |
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| 08:22.57 | dodeluser | hello. got a question about remastering. I changed some content of "initrd.lz"... repacked it with |
| 08:22.57 | dodeluser | find . | cpio --quiet --dereference -o -H newc | lzma -7 > initrd.lz |
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| 08:23.51 | dodeluser | but when re-adding the file like this: http://pastebin.com/xcMYByHg |
| 08:24.02 | dodeluser | it has no effect... what do I do wrong? |
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| 08:24.46 | dodeluser | could someone help me? |
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| 08:27.41 | fender0107401 | Hi all, can I set cron run something at same time, I mean two 45 18 * * * foo_01 and 45 18 * * * foo_02. |
| 08:28.06 | fender0107401 | "45 18 * * * foo_01" and "45 18 * * * foo_02" |
| 08:28.33 | fender0107401 | I think it should work, but it seems not, so I am not sure about it. |
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| 08:32.55 | maziar__ | on debian wheezy , how can i fix connections on Unix domain socket "/var/run/postgresql/.s.PGSQL.5432" |
| 08:33.10 | centrx | maziar__, is the postgresql daemon running? |
| 08:33.25 | maziar__ | centrx, now , no its not running |
| 08:33.35 | centrx | well that's the problem |
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| 08:34.36 | maziar__ | centrx, ? |
| 08:35.09 | centrx | What is unclear about that? |
| 08:35.42 | maziar__ | centrx, what doyou mean unclear ? |
| 08:35.50 | centrx | What do you mean what do you mean? |
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| 08:36.35 | maziar__ | centrx, did you understand my question ? i gettnig this error : how can i fix connections on Unix domain socket "/var/run/postgresql/.s.PGSQL.5432" |
| 08:36.45 | maziar__ | connections on Unix domain socket "/var/run/postgresql/.s.PGSQL.5432 |
| 08:37.01 | maziar__ | and i want to know how can i fixx tis socket problem |
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| 08:37.53 | centrx | Correct |
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| 08:42.49 | maziar__ | centrx, can you hrlp ? |
| 08:43.02 | centrx | I already told you what is causing that error |
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| 09:30.31 | Twinkletoes | I've exported an NFS mount with options "192.168.1.0/24(rw,sync,no_root_squash,no_subtree_check)". This is mounted successfully on a client machine. However, when I try to use the 'chown' command (as root) I get the error "chown: changing ownership of `mfiles': Invalid argument". |
| 09:31.34 | Twinkletoes | uid/gids are all mapped correct as I use NIS, but even then - I'm trying to run the command as root, so wouldn't make a differne anyway |
| 09:33.13 | anddam | the http.debian.net -> httpredir.debian.org change goes for all lines but jessie/updates, right? |
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| 09:33.47 | SynrGy | Twinkletoes: root may be supreme on the client, but it's not anybody special to the nfsv4 server |
| 09:33.50 | SynrGy | http://serverfault.com/questions/443957/chown-changing-ownership-of-invalid-argument |
| 09:34.53 | Twinkletoes | SynrGy: Thank you for that. I though no_root_squash was meant to change theat behaviour, to map root to root |
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| 09:36.38 | SynrGy | hmm. you would think, wouldn't you? |
| 09:36.48 | SynrGy | i don't know. maybe when NIS is involved there's some other consideration |
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| 09:37.23 | Twinkletoes | Yeah, perhaps |
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| 09:37.49 | Twinkletoes | SynrGy: Although, having said that, NIS has a min UID/GID of 1000 so it should actually be playing a part |
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| 09:40.14 | svetlana | how do i check whether an option is enabled for a mount point? 'mount' and 'cat /proc/mounts' both don't list. |
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| 09:40.52 | k^ | any suggestion on an editor for opening a 13gb huge sql file? |
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| 09:41.23 | Twinkletoes | k^: DEpends what you want od wo with it! |
| 09:41.25 | svetlana | what would you like to do after opening it? |
| 09:41.32 | Twinkletoes | k^: to do (I meant) |
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| 09:41.54 | Vaur | hi, I'm trying to install skype on my debian, but libasound2-plugins is conflicting with the rest of my system |
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| 09:42.15 | Vaur | when I try to install it, it wants to remove most of my package |
| 09:42.16 | Twinkletoes | svetlana: mount options are listed for me in 'mount' |
| 09:42.33 | Vaur | any idea on how to solve this situation ? |
| 09:43.19 | SynrGy | Vaur: is your system up-to-date? |
| 09:43.26 | Vaur | SynrGy: yes |
| 09:43.29 | svetlana | Vaur: ask skype for support and be gentle about it - it's proprietary and may contain backdoors |
| 09:43.31 | SynrGy | Vaur: which release? |
| 09:43.33 | Vaur | I'm running testing |
| 09:43.36 | svetlana | tell them your debian version and the skype version you're trying to install |
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| 09:44.03 | Vaur | svetlana: well the issue isn't with skype but with one of it's dependecies |
| 09:44.26 | SynrGy | Vaur: apt-cache policy libasound2-plugins:i386 libasound2-plugins:amd64 |
| 09:44.36 | SynrGy | those should be coinstallable |
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| 09:45.00 | shifty779 | Vaur: I'd second that, perhaps testing is going through a "incompatible with itself" period and will sort itself out in a day or two? |
| 09:45.02 | bip | Hey Folks! |
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| 09:46.00 | Vaur | SynrGy: http://pastebin.com/KvbbamFH |
| 09:46.22 | Vaur | shifty779: I dunno about that, it isn't the first time I encounter this issue |
| 09:46.24 | SynrGy | paste.debian.net, please |
| 09:46.24 | bip | Who make a local deb mirror ? |
| 09:46.28 | SynrGy | !pastebin.com |
| 09:46.28 | dpkg | pastebin.com mangles input, takes forever to load, often makes us enter a CAPTCHA to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please use a different site, like http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 09:46.40 | Vaur | SynrGy: ok sorry |
| 09:47.35 | k^ | Twinkletoes, svetlana: i get an error while tryxing to re-import a .sql file - so i wanted to check the particular line and see whats wrong |
| 09:47.49 | Twinkletoes | k^: Let's start with the error then |
| 09:47.54 | k^ | but opening a 13g file is not quiet easy |
| 09:47.58 | k^ | well |
| 09:48.04 | k^ | i already tried my luck |
| 09:48.10 | k^ | in #mysql |
| 09:48.16 | k^ | but ill explain it again |
| 09:48.21 | Twinkletoes | k^: Try and explain yourself in one sentence before you get kicked |
| 09:48.36 | k^ | yes, my fault,. sorry |
| 09:48.55 | SynrGy | Vaur: also, dpkg --print-architecture && dpkg --print-foreign-architectures |
| 09:49.00 | markand | what will happen when all toy story names have been used? |
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| 09:49.03 | markand | :) |
| 09:49.16 | SynrGy | markand: the heat death of the universe? |
| 09:50.21 | k^ | so, as said i have a 13g sql file, which im trying to re-import into another mysql server, but im ketting the error "Mysql server has gone away" during import (in one particular line - tried it several times). i already encreased waittime to 8h and maxpacketsize to 15g .. so i wanted to see whats in that particular line |
| 09:50.38 | k^ | *increased |
| 09:51.10 | shifty779 | Vaur: that's the problem with proprietary software, when it doesn't work, the vendor doesn't care because you're only one person, and Debian doesn't care because it's proprietary. |
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| 09:51.53 | shifty779 | k^: 1. do you know which line? 2. is the file SQL commands? |
| 09:52.39 | Twinkletoes | k^: You can use sed/awk to show a particular line (but they'll read the files up to that point so could take a bit of time) |
| 09:52.44 | Vaur | SynrGy: https://paste.debian.net/174924/ |
| 09:52.45 | SynrGy | Vaur: just to be clear, i did not check your paste because it's on a sucky site. would you please re-paste? also provide the additional info i asked for above. |
| 09:52.48 | SynrGy | ah |
| 09:52.49 | SynrGy | just slow :) |
| 09:53.03 | shifty779 | 'sed -n 10p bigfile.sql' to print the tenth line. and then you wait. |
| 09:53.19 | Vaur | SynrGy: yeah ... I had a disconnect |
| 09:53.35 | SynrGy | Vaur: aside from mixing stable and testing, that looks in order. how about 'apt-cache policy', too (no arguments) |
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| 09:53.56 | Twinkletoes | k^: To be honest though, it sounds like a mysql error itself (perhaps timeout), rather than an error in the .sql file itself |
| 09:54.19 | Twinkletoes | k^: Have you read this? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17481716/how-to-prevent-connection-timeouts-for-large-mysql-imports |
| 09:54.22 | Vaur | SynrGy: https://paste.debian.net/174925/ |
| 09:55.28 | shifty779 | k^: if appropriate, eg they are all insert statements, you could use 'split' to chop the huge file into mini-files of X number of lines each. then import each mini-file. like Twinkletoes says, sounds like a timeout. |
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| 09:58.54 | Ragav | I am working to make DUAL display work with debian 6 on a cedartail N2600 board. |
| 09:59.08 | Ragav | To understand dual display ON Debian : installed DEBAIN 8 and verified for proper display functionality(tried this bcz: N2600 does not support under 2.6.32 Kernel). |
| 09:59.16 | Ragav | Now upgraded the system to 3.4 Kernel from repos and after boot it has been noticed that the system uses GMA500 driver. |
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| 09:59.25 | Ragav | But, XRANDR does not display all connected displays (i.e. HDMI, VGA or LVDS) |
| 09:59.42 | Ragav | xrandr -q : |
| 09:59.50 | Ragav | Screen 0: minimum 800 x 600, current 800 x 600, maximum 800 x 600 default connected 800x600+0+0 0mm x 0mm |
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| 10:00.04 | Ragav | But, with DEBIAN 8 i was able to view all connected displays (i.e. HDMI, VGA or LVDS) |
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| 10:00.57 | babilen | Ragav: You mean that it works as expected on Debian 8, but that not all outputs/resolutions are listed/working on Debian 6 ? |
| 10:01.54 | SynrGy | Vaur: the stable lines don't help. they don't hurt, but you're on testing so it doesn't do anything for you |
| 10:02.01 | Ragav | Not about the resolution.. Event it displays Default connected. |
| 10:02.08 | Ragav | NO signes of invidual displays |
| 10:02.17 | SynrGy | Vaur: let's see the exact apt command you typed and its complete output, please |
| 10:02.42 | babilen | Ragav: Okay. Why aren't you using Debian 8 in that case? (it is, after all, the current stable release) |
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| 10:04.08 | Ragav | babilen: at this time it is not possible. |
| 10:04.22 | Ragav | We have some contrains that stps the upgradation |
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| 10:05.06 | Vaur | SynrGy: https://paste.debian.net/174928/ |
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| 10:05.42 | babilen | Ragav: My guess is that you simply require a newer version of Xorg that is available in Jessie, but not squeeze. If you cannot run the current stable release then you might have to accept that you don't have support for all displays. |
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| 10:06.17 | babilen | Ragav: You could try the Xorg version in squeeze-backports though and hope that it is recent enough |
| 10:06.47 | babilen | Also: What "constraints" are preventing you from using Jessie? Could we sort those out? |
| 10:07.28 | centrx | yeah squeeze is over four years old now |
| 10:07.31 | SynrGy | Vaur: ow. i don't know what you did to capture, but it's awful. practically unreadable ... |
| 10:07.33 | Ragav | That is applciation level where we have got EMV level licening for the application.. |
| 10:07.50 | Ragav | babilen: Will first put my efforts on BACKPORTS |
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| 10:08.04 | SynrGy | Vaur: please show the output of 'apt-get -f install' |
| 10:08.10 | Vaur | SynrGy: I used script |
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| 10:08.25 | Ragav | babilen: can i follow this method : http://x.debian.net/reference/squeeze-backports.html |
| 10:09.02 | SynrGy | Vaur: you have mixed in dmo. your apt-cache policy did not show dmo lines, but you haven't removed dmo stuff from your system ... |
| 10:09.11 | SynrGy | Vaur: this seems to be a part of the problem |
| 10:09.20 | Vaur | dmo ? |
| 10:09.38 | babilen | Ragav: Follow http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ |
| 10:09.46 | SynrGy | aka dmm, debian multimedia |
| 10:09.49 | SynrGy | !dmm remove |
| 10:09.49 | dpkg | If you want to remove the packages from deb-multimedia.org and reinstall the packages from Debian repositories, one could do this: dpkg --remove --force-depends $(aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Unofficial Multimedia Packages))' --disable-columns -F%p); remove the dmm repository from sources.list; apt-get update; apt-get install -f; install the still missing packages which were removed in the former process ... |
| 10:10.01 | SynrGy | e.g. |
| 10:10.02 | SynrGy | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:10.12 | centrx | Ragav, Also note the version of X in squeeze-backports is still much older than the version in jessie and even wheezy |
| 10:10.21 | SynrGy | Vaur: sort out that mess and it will probably go much better for you. |
| 10:10.51 | SynrGy | Vaur: it is insufficient to merely remove the deb lines from your sources.list. you need to follow the advice from the 'dmm remove' factoid above |
| 10:11.20 | Vaur | SynrGy: https://paste.debian.net/174931/ |
| 10:11.26 | myztic | most reliable way testing HDD health? (reliable meaning: don't want to use non-healthy HDD for creating server) |
| 10:11.29 | myztic | smartctl? |
| 10:12.38 | centrx | myztic, fsck -c (badblocks) |
| 10:13.37 | Vaur | SynrGy: there is no dmm packages |
| 10:13.52 | SynrGy | Vaur: there are. see the line i quoted above |
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| 10:14.15 | SynrGy | Vaur: the problem is, the aptitude search won't work unless the multimedia repo is in sources.list and you've done 'apt-get update' |
| 10:14.24 | Vaur | SynrGy: ok |
| 10:14.58 | SynrGy | Vaur: of course, after you've removed that stuff, you'll need to remove the line again and apt-get update again |
| 10:15.14 | Ragav | centrx: Noted. As first step i want XRANDR to detect all my connected DISPALYS. If that works it would be great. |
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| 10:15.46 | SynrGy | Vaur: i have work to do. i can't see you through to the end ... if you have issues with the dmm removal, see others here about that. |
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| 10:15.58 | Vaur | SynrGy: ok, np thanks a lot |
| 10:16.02 | SynrGy | Vaur: i'm betting once that is solved, installing skype will be no problem |
| 10:16.19 | SynrGy | as others have said here, if you still have problems, we don't support skype |
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| 10:16.57 | Vaur | SynrGy: still nothing even with the dmm |
| 10:17.15 | Vaur | humm sry |
| 10:17.17 | Vaur | my bad |
| 10:17.35 | Vaur | (forgot the key) |
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| 10:19.41 | myztic | centrx doesn't that check fs corruption and so forth, rather than actual HDD health? A FS can be corrupted, the HDD can be fine though |
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| 10:21.15 | centrx | myztic, Not quite, bad blocks generally indicate some kind of hardware problem, unless it's one or two here and there and they don't keep multiplying |
| 10:21.28 | centrx | myztic, bad blocks are not a software/filesystem issue |
| 10:21.38 | centrx | myztic, But yes the SMART controller is useful too |
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| 10:21.58 | centrx | myztic, If any part of the HD is broken, you won't be able to do a complete working fsck anyway |
| 10:22.07 | centrx | myztic, even if it doesn't tell you exactly why it's broken |
| 10:22.12 | centrx | *fsck |
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| 10:22.36 | ChrisH | myztic: run a dd read once a week per disk. THis forces the disk to read each sector. Best way to protect is a tested backup! |
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| 10:26.07 | myztic | centrx well I have some HDDs that prior were in a HW-Raid Case that broke and I tried to recover, but didn't work. So I expect FS corruption because of that. But I am interested whether the HDDs themselves are fine (to use again) |
| 10:26.18 | markand | hey guys |
| 10:26.21 | Vaur | SynrGy: dont know how I did it, but I managed to remove the issue using a tutorial online to remove dmm |
| 10:26.24 | Vaur | thanks a lot |
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| 10:26.26 | markand | I'm trying to change the GDM background |
| 10:26.34 | SynrGy | Vaur: good. and the skype installation is ok now? |
| 10:26.38 | myztic | ChrisH is there something you can't use dd for?! :D |
| 10:26.43 | Vaur | SynrGy: yeah |
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| 10:26.54 | markand | it seems that /etc/gdm3/greeter.gsettings isn't read |
| 10:26.57 | Vaur | SynrGy: as I said, the issue isn't with skype |
| 10:27.09 | Vaur | but with libasound-plugins |
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| 10:27.48 | Vaur | it's all fixed now :) |
| 10:28.37 | SynrGy | Vaur: yep. great |
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| 10:29.05 | SynrGy | Vaur: yeah, in your mangled script output, because it included skype, that muddled things |
| 10:29.24 | SynrGy | Vaur: consider tidying it up by hand if you're going to use script to prepare a paste. |
| 10:29.42 | SynrGy | just for future reference :) |
| 10:29.47 | Vaur | SynrGy: ok |
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| 10:31.57 | hassoon | jesssiiiiiie |
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| 10:32.47 | centrx | what a gal |
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| 10:35.54 | ChrisH | myztic: no that I am aware of. :) |
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| 10:38.26 | myztic | ChrisH will dd automatically stop when hitting something that's wrong then? Do you use ibs option then? |
| 10:38.46 | markand | oh damn how is painful to setup a theme for gdm |
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| 10:38.54 | RANGERICO | Hey guys! |
| 10:38.59 | markand | years-over-years, gdm become more and more crap |
| 10:39.38 | ChrisH | myztic: I simply read all disks complete once per week. |
| 10:40.19 | ChrisH | if the disk is broken the OS will stop it :) |
| 10:40.23 | RANGERICO | I don't know if this is the right place to ask, but I have a problem with Raspberry Pi. |
| 10:41.16 | RANGERICO | I would like to send out the last pictures taken in the last 30 minutes to my email from a specific folder. How would the echo line look like? |
| 10:41.19 | SynrGy | RANGERICO: if you're using raspbian, then no |
| 10:41.36 | SynrGy | !raspbian |
| 10:41.36 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 10:41.40 | RANGERICO | its not a raspberry specific problem |
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| 10:42.20 | SynrGy | yes, but it's still not our problem. there is also ##linux for general linux support |
| 10:42.31 | RANGERICO | oh okay |
| 10:42.35 | RANGERICO | thanks alot! |
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| 10:44.38 | SynrGy | myztic: if the drive is broken and throws errors, yes, dd will stop. see ddrescue |
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| 10:45.30 | SynrGy | markand: if you have an actual support question, please ask. otherwise -> #d-ot |
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| 10:47.52 | markand | SynrGy, yes I have asked how to change the background on gdm3 |
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| 10:50.57 | SynrGy | markand: ok. what's your current issue with doing that? you say it's hard, but are not specific about how you're stuck |
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| 10:56.43 | blixten | !raspberry |
| 10:56.43 | dpkg | The Raspberry Pi is an open hardware design based on a Broadcom system-on-a-chip, requiring <non-free> <firmware>. Debian's <armel> port works fine, but does not use the Pi's hardware floating point unit. Debian's <armhf> port targets a newer revision of the ARM chip than is in the Pi, so armhf will not work on it. http://wiki.debian.org/RaspberryPi http://www.raspberrypi.org/ #raspberrypi on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 10:57.14 | markand | I've read that you should set /etc/gdm3/greeter.gsettings |
| 10:57.17 | markand | but it does not work |
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| 10:57.47 | SynrGy | markand: maybe old documentation? which doc did you consult? |
| 10:57.51 | SynrGy | ,v gdm3 |
| 10:57.53 | judd | Package: gdm3 on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 2.30.5-6squeeze2; squeeze: 2.30.5-6squeeze5; wheezy: 3.4.1-8; stretch: 3.14.1-7; jessie: 3.14.1-7; sid: 3.14.1-7 |
| 10:58.10 | SynrGy | https://help.gnome.org/admin/gdm/3.14/gdm.html#greeterconfiguration |
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| 10:59.30 | markand | https://lists.debian.org/debian-desktop/2012/03/msg00054.html |
| 10:59.31 | markand | this one |
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| 10:59.59 | markand | it's weird because it uses . separator [org.gnome.desktop.background] while the default greeter.dconf-defaults uses / instead |
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| 11:01.10 | SynrGy | markand: that's ancient |
| 11:02.07 | markand | yes |
| 11:02.24 | markand | the GNOME help does not tell how to set a background |
| 11:03.03 | SynrGy | i have my doubts about the alleged 3.14 gdm doc above, as i find no gconf keys matching those listed |
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| 11:07.14 | SynrGy | markand: on my system, I see /etc/gdm3/greeter.dconf-defaults. i can only assume dconf-editor would be the appropriate tool |
| 11:07.29 | SynrGy | so something like gksudo dconf-editor |
| 11:08.57 | SynrGy | or else the commandline equivalent ... |
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| 11:11.47 | SynrGy | markand: ah, except i don't even have gdm3 running on this system. sad. i can't experiment further. |
| 11:12.21 | SynrGy | markand: the commandline 'dconf' tool can be used to read and set settings in dconf too. see its man page. |
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| 11:13.32 | markand | SynrGy, yes I'm trying to use that :) |
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| 11:16.31 | SynrGy | markand: in any case, the file *claims* some GSettings can be set in that file |
| 11:16.39 | SynrGy | since i don't use gdm3, i can't experiment |
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| 11:17.20 | SynrGy | also, those settings might have to be set for the Debian-gdm user (the user under which greeter is run, i believe) |
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| 11:18.35 | teraflop | for gdm3 settings including backgruoud is gconf-editor http://a.pomf.se/mwymqp.png |
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| 11:20.24 | SynrGy | teraflop: that's the desktop background. what about the gdm3 background? |
| 11:20.57 | SynrGy | please see /etc/gdm3/greeter.dconf-defaults ... am i off base? |
| 11:21.32 | SynrGy | i couldn't find any of the nodes named in the doc from the gnome website for the specific version in jessie :( |
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| 11:26.19 | teraflop | SynrGy: eh wait, theres no greeter key, also running as Debian-gdm user, forget what i said |
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| 11:27.19 | Ragav | Have configure squeeze backports and updated : |
| 11:27.21 | Ragav | apt-get install -t squeeze-backports xorg xserver-xorg xserver-xorg-core xserver-xorg-input-synaptics xserver-xorg-video-intel apt-get install -t squeeze-backports libgl1-mesa-dri libgl1-mesa-glx |
| 11:27.36 | SynrGy | teraflop: exactly. so if someone solves this mystery, updating the wiki and pointing a dpkg factoid at it would be nice :) |
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| 11:27.47 | SynrGy | as gnome's doc does indeed appear to be crap |
| 11:28.02 | teraflop | SynrGy: yeah, sondws weird, im looking into it |
| 11:28.02 | babilen | Ragav: good, and? |
| 11:28.07 | SynrGy | markand: my sympathies. and see my advice above for if-and-when we solve this |
| 11:28.13 | Ragav | After updated xorg configure : is displaying multiple monitors but XRANDr still do not detect the displays |
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| 11:28.53 | SynrGy | markand: i would trust the file in /etc has something to do with it, but there's no man page in debian for it |
| 11:29.13 | SynrGy | that, at least, deserves a 'minor' doc bug filed to ask for its creation |
| 11:29.23 | SynrGy | (if there isn't one already ... you should check) |
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| 11:31.26 | markand | teraflop, did you actually made it working? |
| 11:31.35 | markand | I also ran dconf-editor with Debian-gdm user |
| 11:31.59 | Ragav | Xorg output : http://paste.debian.net/174974/ |
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| 11:34.58 | teraflop | markand: nope |
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| 11:36.47 | eptalon | heyas |
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| 11:37.35 | eptalon | I am running testing/sid, and there is some x11-modeswittching package, that a dist-upgrade wants to uninstall |
| 11:39.09 | eptalon | big question: an XFCE panel which allows to set gfx resolution will use what to set the resolution? |
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| 11:41.50 | Ragav | babilen: Now my XORG -configure detects multiple monitors connected but XRANDR does not reflect any |
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| 11:44.58 | babilen | Ragav: I haven't used Xorg -configure nor a static xorg.conf in a *long* time. |
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| 11:50.02 | Ragav | babilen: Is it possible where can i update XORG to current version... |
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| 11:50.41 | Ragav | So taht it would automatically update my xserver-utils |
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| 11:56.47 | babilen | Ragav: There is no newer backport for squeeze (which is not surprising given that squeeze is *ancient*) |
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| 11:57.21 | markand | the dirty hack : replace /usr/share/gnome-shell/theme/noise-texture.png and you have the gdm background changed |
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| 11:58.10 | Ragav | babilen: But is ther ea possibility that i can compile from the source?? |
| 11:58.36 | babilen | It might be possible to backport a later version, but that will be far from trivial |
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| 12:00.32 | jelly | eptalon: perhaps you can use arandr with xfce? |
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| 12:01.02 | eptalon | jelly: I uninstalled the modesetting. never change resolutions anyway |
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| 12:12.49 | starbuck | hi guys, how do i properly start, stop restart the samba server? |
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| 12:12.58 | starbuck | in jessie i mean |
| 12:13.13 | jelly | starbuck: service samba start, etc? |
| 12:13.23 | ChrisH | systemctl |
| 12:13.43 | starbuck | Failed to start samba.service: Unit samba.service is masked. |
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| 12:13.50 | starbuck | i get this with systemctl |
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| 12:14.01 | ChrisH | systemctl status samba.service |
| 12:14.03 | starbuck | service samba start doesn't work either |
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| 12:14.32 | starbuck | â samba.service |
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| 12:15.31 | starbuck | any ideas? |
| 12:15.54 | ChrisH | just checked mine and it looks the same, but samba-ad-dc.service is running and processes are up |
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| 12:16.40 | starbuck | ChrisH, can you restart your samba server with systemctl? |
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| 12:17.35 | matthiaskrgr | ffmpeg is not on jessie ? |
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| 12:17.56 | jelly | matthiaskrgr: correct |
| 12:18.01 | ChrisH | starbuck: fails the same... but systemctl status samba-ad-dc.service works. smbclient -L -N HOST looks OK |
| 12:18.04 | matthiaskrgr | why not? |
| 12:18.17 | jelly | matthiaskrgr: it wasn't ready when jessie was frozen |
| 12:18.22 | matthiaskrgr | heh |
| 12:18.31 | starbuck | this is crap |
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| 12:18.52 | pksadiq | matthiaskrgr: actually, it was removed in favour of avconv |
| 12:19.03 | ChrisH | starbuck: bit it does not seem to have restarted anything |
| 12:19.10 | starbuck | Am I supposed to reboot the whle machine to get the samba server running again? wtf |
| 12:19.14 | jelly | pksadiq: that was a few years ago |
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| 12:22.25 | jelly | matthiaskrgr, pksadiq: ffmpeg is present in sid and will most probably be in stretch. In fact the build 7:2.6.2-1 was easily installable in jessie if you really needed it. |
| 12:22.47 | ChrisH | starbuck: give that a try systemctl status smbd.service |
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| 12:24.22 | starbuck | ChrisH, that worked!! thank you! |
| 12:25.28 | matthiaskrgr | jelly: well, I didn't expect debian to be more troublesome than arch :P |
| 12:26.00 | jelly | I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition! |
| 12:26.11 | matthiaskrgr | nobody does |
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| 12:27.02 | matthiaskrgr | is there a way to somehow pull in single packages from other repos so that they are automatically updated ? |
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| 12:27.58 | abrotman | matthiaskrgr: which other repos? |
| 12:28.07 | jelly | matthiaskrgr: not safely, no. There's pinning but it's a horrible kludge and seldom does what you expect it to |
| 12:28.27 | jelly | abrotman: context: he wants ffmpeg installed on jessie |
| 12:28.30 | jelly | ,v ffmpeg |
| 12:28.31 | judd | Package: ffmpeg on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 4:0.5.10-1; squeeze: 4:0.5.10-1; squeeze-security-lts: 4:0.5.10-1+deb6u1; squeeze-backports: 6:0.8.6-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 6:0.8.16-1; wheezy-security: 6:0.8.17-1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 6:0.8.17-1; sid: 7:2.6.2-1+b1; wheezy-multimedia: 8:1.0.10-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 10:2.6.2-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 10:2.6.2-dmo1 |
| 12:28.42 | matthiaskrgr | firefox from ubuntu or mint and ffmpeg |
| 12:28.48 | matthiaskrgr | and I'll probably find some more stuff I need |
| 12:28.57 | abrotman | just use Iceweasel in Debian (see mozilla.debian.net) |
| 12:29.19 | jelly | matthiaskrgr: I'd wait for ffmpeg to appear in jessie-backports, then use that |
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| 12:29.41 | abrotman | jelly: are they switching back? |
| 12:29.47 | jelly | they will be |
| 12:29.57 | jelly | THEY WILL BE |
| 12:30.01 | petn-randall | matthiaskrgr: That's what we'd commonly call "Frankendebian". You don't want that. |
| 12:30.02 | matthiaskrgr | well I can totally understand why ppl want to fork debian now :p |
| 12:30.02 | abrotman | This is confusing :'( |
| 12:30.14 | matthiaskrgr | lol frankendebian |
| 12:30.17 | Twinkletoes | I Can't find out how to increase the apt-cache cache-limit in Debian 8 |
| 12:30.22 | abrotman | matthiaskrgr: You're not being forced to use it, I hear Mint will be supporting Upstart even! |
| 12:30.38 | abrotman | Twinkletoes: did you look in the sample apt.conf ? |
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| 12:31.27 | jelly | matthiaskrgr: it's not a good idea to install binary packages that are not specifically built for your distro and release. They may appear to work, but may introduce subtle issues in the packaging system that are hard to resolve later |
| 12:31.45 | Twinkletoes | abrotman: grep -irl cache /etc/apt returns only "/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20apt-show-versions" which isn't what I'm looking for |
| 12:31.56 | jelly | matthiaskrgr: this is why debian has repos like mozilla.debian.net and backports.debian.org |
| 12:32.01 | Twinkletoes | abrotman: There is no /etc/apt.conf |
| 12:32.03 | abrotman | Twinkletoes: /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/config(something).gz |
| 12:32.23 | abrotman | Twinkletoes: configure-index.gz |
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| 12:32.43 | abrotman | jelly: and can cause instability! |
| 12:33.21 | themill | matthiaskrgr: is there are particular reason for wanting ffmpeg rather than libav-tools? |
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| 12:35.01 | Twinkletoes | abrotman: Thank you - is the relevant seting somethign that I should add to /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/70debian.conf? |
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| 12:35.22 | abrotman | Twinkletoes: you can create any file you want .. like 99local.conf |
| 12:35.31 | abrotman | or 26Twinkloetoes.conf |
| 12:35.39 | Twinkletoes | abrotman: Ah - and it reads them all - I see ;) |
| 12:35.52 | Twinkletoes | abrotman: Thanks - I like 99local.conf |
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| 12:38.56 | themill | Twinkletoes: btw why are you wanting to change that setting? Is there a reason you want to reduce that value? and what do you plan to do to stop apt dying badly when it runs out of memory? |
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| 12:40.17 | Twinkletoes | themill: I installed Virtualmin GP using the install script supplied, then slapd and php-net-ldap and I got a gazillion errors at the end of the aptitude command , something like "E: cannot find cluster xxxxxxxx" or something - it's scrolled off my terminal now |
| 12:40.33 | Twinkletoes | themill: I haven't made any changes yet, and won't do - providing everythign seems to have installed ok |
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| 12:40.56 | themill | That doesn't sound related to apt's cache-limit |
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| 12:41.39 | Twinkletoes | themill: Hmm... it's the closest I could find on Google |
| 12:41.57 | Twinkletoes | themill: I might try the install again - crank up a new VM... but for now I can let it go - I'm only testing - but thank you |
| 12:42.22 | themill | sounds more like a postegresql configuration error but without the actual context and the full error it could be anything |
| 12:43.01 | Twinkletoes | themill: I'll do a new install soon ;) |
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| 12:43.17 | themill | ... and if virtualmin is screwed up, then either (a) don't touch it with a barge poll or (b) ask them why their buggy crap is buggy |
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| 13:00.39 | Twinkletoes | themill: The VIrtualmin install script finished ok, I only had the errors after I ran aptitude install slapd php-net-ldap |
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| 13:16.56 | biacz | hi guys |
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| 13:17.35 | biacz | got a question. got a debian 6 server hosted by strato (vserver) |
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| 13:17.50 | biacz | now i tried to update it and it does not boot anymore |
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| 13:18.05 | biacz | after restoring the backup i checked the dist-upgrade packages list |
| 13:18.13 | ChrisH | biacz: update from Debian 6 to what? |
| 13:18.15 | biacz | and it shows "systemd" - no i guess thats the only package that could cause this |
| 13:18.37 | biacz | deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free |
| 13:18.43 | biacz | no idea - the newest stable version |
| 13:18.47 | teraflop | combo update from 6 to 8 ... |
| 13:19.02 | biacz | i only have the standard src lists |
| 13:19.31 | biacz | anyone knows if systemd with a vhost makes trouble? |
| 13:19.51 | biacz | i can boot a rescue system that mounts the filesystem but the log files show exactly nothing at all |
| 13:20.07 | themill | biacz: you cannot upgrade directly from squeeze to jessie like that |
| 13:20.27 | teraflop | update from 6 to 7 fix whetever it needs to be fixed and them update from 7 to 8 |
| 13:20.29 | biacz | themill: that means: reinstall and reconfigure? |
| 13:20.49 | themill | no |
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| 13:22.00 | biacz | well let me see on how to change my sources so it updates to 7 for now |
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| 13:22.24 | themill | biacz: it would be worth reading the release notes |
| 13:22.55 | biacz | cat /etc/debian_version = 8.0 |
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| 13:23.06 | biacz | hmm |
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| 13:23.09 | biacz | can i trust that? |
| 13:23.14 | themill | That's before you start trying to do the upgrade? |
| 13:23.18 | biacz | yes |
| 13:23.27 | biacz | apt-get update ran without an issue |
| 13:23.29 | themill | You really shouldn't use "stable" in your sources.list |
| 13:23.37 | biacz | my console in the provider backend shows debian 6 though |
| 13:23.57 | biacz | what would you recommend |
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| 13:24.12 | themill | dpkg: tell biacz about stable sources.list |
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| 13:25.15 | gryf | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:25.19 | gryf | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:25.21 | gryf | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:25.35 | biacz | thanks for that themill : i am just curious. my debian_version shows 8 already. does that mean i face a different issue? |
| 13:25.37 | gryf | I guessed debian was careful about the main, free, repo. |
| 13:25.57 | gryf | Thought this is troubling me. |
| 13:26.04 | markand | why shouldn't it be? |
| 13:26.13 | themill | biacz: that only means you have upgraded the "base-files" package |
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| 13:28.02 | gryf | So debian "main" isn't caring that much about separating free and nonfree software or is this a reason for chromium presence ? |
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| 13:28.19 | gryf | *is there |
| 13:30.07 | themill | gryf: You should read the actual information in that file and not look at it selectively |
| 13:30.14 | teraflop | gryf: you mean that chromium isn't foss? |
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| 13:36.36 | jelly | gryf: note that copyright and licensing are two different things |
| 13:37.20 | gryf | I just find that chromium licensing is unclear and messy. And if it's unclear, it shouldn't be in main. |
| 13:37.39 | themill | gryf: *you* find. |
| 13:37.44 | gryf | Sure. |
| 13:37.55 | themill | I don't believe you're part of the ftp-master team. |
| 13:38.15 | gryf | I hope I still can think by myself. |
| 13:38.23 | gryf | You too :) |
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| 13:39.04 | PercyB | teraflop Last time I did not find the number of the usb-modem authentication bug. I meant the error message just like in the ubuntu bug 1442406 or debian bug 764693. |
| 13:39.07 | themill | Sure. But your opinion doesn't matter on this point. The ftp-master team has reviewed the licences and they do not find them unclear or messy. |
| 13:39.22 | jelly | gryf: which specific files do you think are problematic? Tossing out the baby with the bath water is likely premature at this point. |
| 13:39.30 | themill | They're perhaps better at it than you too. |
| 13:39.57 | teraflop | PercyB: you mean the 4g modem nm bug? |
| 13:40.55 | PercyB | teraflop Well, yes, it's a 4g modem nm bug - it must be unlocked every time as root (even after checking "automatically unlock") |
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| 13:42.30 | teraflop | PercyB: yes I remember but i didnt find any bug reported for that in debian tracker |
| 13:42.50 | teraflop | gryf: fell free to take a look at chrome://credits |
| 13:42.54 | gryf | themill: yay, attack. jelly: *NO COPYRIGHT* UNKNOWN is not what I can call clear. That's all I'm saying, maybe we shouldn't accept a piece of code that does not have a clear status. That's all what I'm saying. Now, I must go, but you got the point that it's not killing anyone. It's just something I disagree on. |
| 13:42.56 | teraflop | feel* |
| 13:43.29 | themill | gryf: untrue. Please read the actual entry for those files. |
| 13:43.34 | jelly | gryf: sorry, which file are you talking about? |
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| 13:44.04 | themill | gryf: also, please deal in specifics as jelly has requested. Vague statements are not helping. |
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| 13:44.42 | themill | gryf: you might like to consider that some files are not copyrightable and thus "NO COPYRIGHT" would be exactly the correct thing to record there. |
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| 13:47.48 | PercyB | teraflop Indeed, bug 1442406 is on Ubuntu. Somehow the unlocking works fine on wheezy, in jessie it requires root, user level gives "policykit authorization failed" error. Just wanted to mention, at least there is a workaround. |
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| 13:49.54 | teraflop | PercyB: perhaps you might try adding a custom polkit rule for fixing that, Im just guessin at this point since I do not have a 4g modem for make the test |
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| 13:50.35 | coudy | hi, after upgrade to jessie I have created new systemd service file for tightvnc server http://paste.jabbim.cz/6829 , but I have problem to start this service. Here is error> vncserver@:1.service: control process exited, code=exited status=29 |
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| 13:52.44 | jordanm | coudy: 1) type should probably be simple 2) ExecStartPre and ExecStop probably are not needed 3) use User= instead of trying to use su |
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| 13:53.21 | jordanm | changing those things may help |
| 13:53.22 | PercyB | teraflop Ok, thank you for the suggestion. I'll try it out. |
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| 13:53.58 | teraflop | coudy: whats the point of making an --user unit and launching it as other user? |
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| 13:55.23 | teraflop | coudy: this one works in archlinux, maybe it has some use for you http://ix.io/iua |
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| 13:59.37 | teraflop | oh nvm it's a system unit, forget my words |
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| 14:04.36 | zepard | hi is the backport for jessie of docker.io is expected soon? |
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| 14:05.06 | zepard | honestly I prefer un backport package rather than doin it myself |
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| 14:07.26 | ChrisH | zepard: from my understanding of the mails I read, I do not expect a backport.... but I would be happy if I am wrong. |
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| 14:36.23 | RagBal | I'm having some problems with Apache after upgrading from 2.2 to 2.4 (wheezy to jessie). Everything seems to function correctly, http and https, but opening a ssl socket with python doesn't seem to get closed after printing the page and remains open for x minutes. When testing the same script to other webservers (google or whatever) the socket gets closed directly after printing the entire page. |
| 14:36.30 | RagBal | Opening the page in a browser works perfectly |
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| 14:53.59 | coudy | jordanm: modified to Arch script, but still I have error vncserver@:1.service: main process exited, code=exited, status=29/n/a |
| 14:54.11 | coudy | teraflop: modified to Arch script, but still I have error vncserver@:1.service: main process exited, code=exited, status=29/n/a |
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| 15:07.26 | scottelundgren | "sudo apt-get update" is erroring out with "W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs: 7638D0442B90D010". I've run "sudo apt-get install debian-keyring debian-archive-keyring" and "sudo apt-get update" retruns the same error. What else should I investigate ? I'm using Amazon's AMI 2.4.11 |
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| 15:12.42 | coudy | scottelundgren: http://en.kioskea.net/faq/809-debian-apt-get-no-pubkey-gpg-error |
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| 15:14.40 | scottelundgren | coudy: perfect that's what I needed. Thanks! |
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| 15:26.50 | anddam | what's an appropriate channel for asking about rxvt configuration? |
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| 15:30.37 | the_sniff | dhcpclient -v eth0 gets an ip but doesnt use it in ifconfig -a |
| 15:30.40 | the_sniff | why is that? |
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| 15:31.58 | Brigo | the_sniff, there is no ip at all in eth0? |
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| 15:32.38 | the_sniff | there is a 10.0.2.7 address |
| 15:32.47 | the_sniff | i did a -v -r and it was remove and than a -v eth0 to renew |
| 15:32.57 | the_sniff | any safer way? this is on a VM but i need to do this on a live server soon ;p |
| 15:33.21 | Brigo | how did you configure that ip 10.0.2.7 ? |
| 15:33.53 | the_sniff | it was a dhcp automatically loaded with the OS boot |
| 15:33.58 | Iridos | hm... I took my graphics card apart because the fan was annoying me... now will have to wait re-assembling it, because the shops here have run out of thermal paste... anyway, I cannot take the small fan apart and it seems a new one costs â¬20ish... so... considering to get a cheap new card |
| 15:34.54 | Iridos | I obviously don't know the pciid of the old or a new card... but can I see if ATI Radeon HD5670 and a ATI Radeon HD5450 will still work with the same driver (or at least work flawlessly with a new one)? |
| 15:35.23 | Iridos | seems to have dvi+vga, so I guess (hope) I can again connect 2 monitors |
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| 15:35.50 | Iridos | and it's â¬36... so about twice as much as a fan %-/ |
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| 15:36.04 | Iridos | which makes sense, because it has no fan |
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| 15:37.37 | Iridos | ouch, the card I picked says pci-e 2.1 x16, my old one says pci-e x16 |
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| 15:40.07 | Iridos | hm, apparently no problem |
| 15:40.38 | scottelundgren | \quit |
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| 15:40.59 | jelly | gives scottelundgren a / |
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| 15:41.08 | Iridos | gives jelly a | |
| 15:41.15 | jelly | that is not a pipe |
| 15:41.21 | Iridos | :D |
| 15:41.34 | Iridos | |quit |
| 15:41.36 | Iridos | indeed |
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| 15:44.48 | the_sniff | Brigo did u mangage to reproduce that cron segfault? |
| 15:45.06 | Brigo | the_sniff, what cron segfault? |
| 15:45.23 | the_sniff | http://pastebin.com/yDQyWf5i |
| 15:45.30 | the_sniff | this one, or am i talking to the wrong nick? |
| 15:45.31 | the_sniff | lol |
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| 15:47.29 | Brigo | the_sniff, may be not, my memory is really poor :) |
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| 15:47.37 | the_sniff | lol np |
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| 15:47.46 | the_sniff | im trying to figure out ipsec on debian using racoon |
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| 15:48.05 | the_sniff | i have 2 main questions, adding an IP and IPsec'ing it won't effect my main interface right? |
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| 15:48.34 | the_sniff | the second question is: why when im using the debian micro how to configuration, im getting a "network is unreachable"? |
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| 15:49.37 | Doyle | Question: preconfiguration only did about half the stuff the file was setup to do. Can someone proof it for me? The Successes and failures are noted. |
| 15:49.38 | Doyle | http://pastebin.com/mzATaAe1 |
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| 15:54.25 | Brigo | Doyle, ask in #debian-cd in oftc network. |
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| 15:55.50 | Doyle | thanks |
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| 16:15.53 | mgaunard | hello, is there a way to downgrade from a distribution to another |
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| 16:16.16 | amflir | why I get these errors trying to install build-essential on wheezy? and how to solve it? https://paste.debian.net/175129/ |
| 16:16.18 | mgaunard | i.e. replace all versions of installed packages by the ones in the active distribution |
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| 16:21.39 | amflir | why I get these errors trying to install build-essential on wheezy? and how to solve it? https://paste.debian.net/175129/ |
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| 16:21.56 | karlpinc | Is buffer overflow leading to denial of service a "serious" vulnerability? Or something else? |
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| 16:22.36 | karlpinc | mgaunard: Basically, no. You can see the <downgrade> factoid. But see also the <aptitude clone> factoid which might help. |
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| 16:23.59 | nkuttler | !tell amflir about bat |
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| 16:24.36 | nkuttler | ,v g++ |
| 16:24.37 | judd | Package: g++ on amd64 -- squeeze: 4:4.4.5-1; wheezy: 4:4.7.2-1; jessie: 4:4.9.2-2; sid: 4:4.9.2-3; stretch: 4:4.9.2-3; experimental: 4:5-3 |
| 16:24.54 | nkuttler | amflir: g++ 4.4.3 isn't even in squeeze.. |
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| 16:26.29 | os_ | hi |
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| 16:26.48 | amflir | nkuttler, so why it depends on that? |
| 16:26.59 | nkuttler | amflir: read the bot's msg and provide the info |
| 16:27.31 | amflir | nkuttler, in a minute |
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| 16:29.11 | amflir | nkuttler, https://paste.debian.net/175135/ |
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| 16:30.27 | nkuttler | amflir: also apt-cache policy libc-dev libc6-dev g++ |
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| 16:31.06 | amflir | nkuttler, https://paste.debian.net/175136/ |
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| 16:31.18 | nkuttler | amflir: dpkg --get-selections | grep hold |
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| 16:31.53 | amflir | nkuttler, no output for grep hold |
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| 16:32.16 | nkuttler | amflir: hm. no idea then. your apt error said E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. |
| 16:32.22 | the_sniff | anyone ever used racoon or set up an IPsec? |
| 16:33.03 | amflir | changing the repositories to jessie solves the problem, but I like a older gcc for compiling. |
| 16:33.10 | karlpinc | nkuttler: Does the aptitude hold system integrate with that of apt-get? |
| 16:33.12 | nkuttler | amflir: maybe the deps moved into wheezy/updates |
| 16:33.17 | nkuttler | !tell amflir about sources.list |
| 16:33.26 | nkuttler | !tell amflir about wheezy sources.list |
| 16:33.35 | nkuttler | karlpinc: afaik they use the same db |
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| 16:34.29 | karlpinc | !tel the_sniff about ask |
| 16:34.38 | karlpinc | !tell the_sniff about ask |
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| 16:34.42 | mgaunard | !downgrade |
| 16:34.42 | dpkg | Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
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| 16:35.09 | mgaunard | !unstable->testing |
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| 16:35.15 | JordiGH | I just upgraded to jessie, and NetworkManager's openvpn thing doesn't seem to do anything at all. |
| 16:35.19 | karlpinc | !tell mgaunard about msg the bot |
| 16:35.35 | mgaunard | !"aptitude clone" |
| 16:35.54 | nkuttler | mgaunard: please /msg the bot |
| 16:36.35 | the_sniff | karlpinc i have asked and no one replied so im asking if anyone here is new :@ |
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| 16:38.05 | karlpinc | the_sniff: The answer is, yes of course someone somewhere has done that. If you want help you'll need to describe a specific problem and ask a specific question. |
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| 16:41.24 | the_sniff | im trying to set up an ipsec tunnel |
| 16:41.34 | the_sniff | now im doing it on a VM to avoid killing the entire prod server |
| 16:41.50 | the_sniff | but im getting a network is unreachable after doing exactly what is written in the debian manual site |
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| 16:43.39 | jaybe | hi. upgraded from wheezy to jessie. iptables-persistent stopped working/loading. seems there is a dependency issue with iptables-persistent and netfilter-persistent. has there been a change and or known issue with regard? when trying to install netfilter-persistent, there is a note about start/stop no longer being supported. systemd? |
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| 16:45.08 | cusco | hey folks |
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| 16:45.19 | ee73 | anyone knows which package contains upspeed and downspeed command? |
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| 16:45.26 | cusco | we have a server here, that shows uptime 0 0 0 in the load average |
| 16:45.35 | cusco | can't figure why, but something must be wrong |
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| 16:45.59 | cusco | there are some packages waiting for upgrading, but haven't had the time to do it nigthly |
| 16:46.09 | cusco | why is load average 0 0 0 ? |
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| 17:06.48 | moneyonnet | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:06.48 | moneyonnet | Up here And good Luck -----> http://www.marketglory.com/strategygame/lolopoco |
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| 17:45.40 | bdols | ok on jessie, google-chrome/gdm is generating these messages 160 times a second to /var/log/Xorg.0.log user.log syslog AND messages: |
| 17:45.49 | bdols | [124307.992] GetModeLine - scrn: 0 clock: 148500 |
| 17:45.49 | bdols | [124307.992] GetModeLine - hdsp: 1920 hbeg: 2008 hend: 2052 httl: 2200 |
| 17:45.49 | bdols | [124307.992] vdsp: 1080 vbeg: 1084 vend: 1089 vttl: 1125 flags: 5 |
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| 17:45.57 | bdols | pretty cool |
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| 17:46.27 | bdols | each log file got up to 1.8G before I noticed |
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| 17:49.44 | jhutchins | bdols: Sounds like logging is set to verbose. Config file? |
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| 17:50.03 | bdols | which one |
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| 17:53.36 | bdols | i think i see it |
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| 18:07.16 | Skyrider | anyone happen to be here? |
| 18:07.30 | Wikked | ^ |
| 18:07.35 | Skyrider | besides me, lol. |
| 18:07.50 | Wikked | im here, but i need help also |
| 18:07.53 | Wikked | :) |
| 18:07.56 | Skyrider | ah :p |
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| 18:08.11 | Skyrider | I'm looking for a way to get my mp4 files streamed online.. unsure if there's a package for it, or a web GUI. |
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| 18:08.17 | Skyrider | I can't find anything yet. |
| 18:08.27 | SynrG | vlc can stream stuff |
| 18:08.35 | Skyrider | Has to be android compatible. |
| 18:08.55 | Skyrider | So if I share a mp4 file from my website, the android/pc will run it right away. |
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| 18:09.54 | SynrG | don't know about 'from my website', but vlc Media > Stream... is suitable for streaming to a LAN |
| 18:10.14 | Skyrider | Thanks, but this isn't lan though. |
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| 18:11.25 | Wikked | I need help with tcl for an eggdrop: checking for Tcl library... not found. |
| 18:11.39 | Wikked | I did apt-get install tcl tcl-dev |
| 18:11.45 | unborn | Skyrider, does index in bootstrap and very quick search form and popup view will do for you? (indexing apache in pro way) it will play what you will tell it.. hm? |
| 18:12.20 | SynrG | Skyrider: i know. but that's no reason to discount it |
| 18:12.33 | SynrG | Skyrider: it offers files via a number of methods |
| 18:12.47 | unborn | Skyrider, as long as your mp4s are proper mp4s you can stream anything to anything :) |
| 18:13.01 | SynrG | http, rtp, rtsp, icecast, etc. |
| 18:13.01 | Skyrider | True that, but I do all my lan stuff through kodi. |
| 18:13.10 | Skyrider | But this is just playing a few mp4 files online. |
| 18:13.16 | Skyrider | eg, like youtube streaming. |
| 18:13.22 | SynrG | right. well, this works to set up some ad hoc streams of just a few files |
| 18:13.33 | SynrG | probably the easiest in terms of setup |
| 18:13.39 | Skyrider | unborn: no idea what you mean ^^, pop-up view isn't the best way to go though. |
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| 18:14.02 | SynrG | fire up vlc, offer some streams, use your web server as a proxy to the stream URLs |
| 18:14.23 | SynrG | or just allow direct access thru your firewall to the streamer |
| 18:14.31 | Skyrider | nevermind folks, thanks. |
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| 18:14.42 | Skyrider | It appears that the browser on android that my wife is using, auto-streams it. |
| 18:14.56 | Skyrider | rather than downloading the file. |
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| 18:15.06 | SynrG | great. yeah, i just use es file explorer |
| 18:15.28 | unborn | Skyrider, i dont mean pop up in usual way.. well see it by your self :) its easy and good - here: http://larsjung.de/h5ai/ make sure you do click demo before you decide. cheers |
| 18:15.37 | SynrG | (could use sftp for remote streaming) |
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| 18:16.15 | Skyrider | Nice index. |
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| 18:17.29 | unborn | Skyrider, well - your options are there.. just pick it up and enjoy ;) |
| 18:17.50 | unborn | Skyrider, id does work very well on everything |
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| 18:18.19 | Wikked | I'm using Debian 8, I did install tcl & tcl-dev. I need help with tcl for an eggdrop: checking for Tcl library... not found. |
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| 18:20.47 | unborn | Skyrider, if that is for your private music, photos or films or documents and you wont have public widely open - use htac... with pwd.. and you are safe |
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| 18:23.19 | Skyrider | if you are using apache that is ;) |
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| 18:24.36 | unborn | Skyrider, - wicked I know :) enjoy |
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| 18:25.04 | unborn | Skyrider it does support more server then apache.. just letting you know.. |
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| 18:26.38 | unborn | heh |
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| 18:26.50 | matthiaskrgr | o.O |
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| 18:27.04 | unborn | thats weird eh |
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| 18:27.29 | unborn | ah :) |
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| 18:27.48 | zacts | someone should make a h4x0r movie called netsplit |
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| 18:31.26 | Wikked | Anyone willing to help me? |
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| 18:31.50 | JordiGH | NetworkManager is giving me trouble with VPN. How can I purge *all* NM configs? |
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| 18:32.01 | nkuttler | Wikked: just ask |
| 18:32.02 | JordiGH | I'm pretty sure it's just a config problem, but I have no idea where to fix it. |
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| 18:32.15 | unborn | Wikked, if we can of course but keep in a mind there is know-how limits - some of us do have huge some of us have very small.. just shoot your question |
| 18:32.24 | Wikked | I'm using Debian 8, I did install tcl & tcl-dev. I need help with tcl for an eggdrop: checking for Tcl library... not found. |
| 18:32.47 | Wikked | never had a problem with Debian 7.X |
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| 18:33.20 | nkuttler | Wikked: wrong tcl version? |
| 18:33.33 | nkuttler | Wikked: just a guess. you probably want eggdrop support |
| 18:33.40 | unborn | possibly wrong tcl Wikked ? |
| 18:34.06 | unborn | nkuttler, nailed I think |
| 18:34.08 | abrotman | JordiGH: probably stored in gconf |
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| 18:34.15 | Wikked | let me try tcl8.5 |
| 18:34.18 | Iridos | judd, versions eggdrop |
| 18:34.19 | judd | Package: eggdrop on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.6.19-1.2; wheezy: 1.6.20-1; stretch: 1.6.21-4; sid: 1.6.21-4; jessie: 1.6.21-4 |
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| 18:34.34 | nkuttler | Wikked: or just install the packaged one |
| 18:34.42 | Iridos | Wikked, there's a package in jessie |
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| 18:36.12 | Wikked | Dumb question how do I install the package one to a userdir? |
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| 18:38.08 | pencilandpaper | how do you uninstall systemd and remain with a working system? |
| 18:38.21 | Iridos | Wikked, generally... you don't. how did you install tcl and tcl-dev into a user directory |
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| 18:39.02 | Iridos | dpkg, tell pencilandpaper about remove systemd |
| 18:39.05 | Wikked | Iridos: apt-get install tcl tcl-dev |
| 18:39.16 | Iridos | Wikked, that wasn't into a user dir |
| 18:39.21 | unborn | heh |
| 18:39.28 | Wikked | NO, I know that |
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| 18:39.41 | `ryban | hi |
| 18:39.47 | Wikked | i was asking how to get the packaged eggdrop to work |
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| 18:40.15 | pencilandpaper | what if that process removes vital packages such as network-manager etc in the process? |
| 18:40.26 | pencilandpaper | what if your DE doesnt work when going through that process? |
| 18:40.26 | Wikked | Says I am missing a bunch of files |
| 18:40.35 | Iridos | Wikked, well... "man eggdrop"? or just call it? where's the problem |
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| 18:40.57 | Iridos | pencilandpaper, what if a huge meteor strikes earth and wipes out all life? |
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| 18:41.32 | pencilandpaper | does it mean that systemd is compiled in to most of the upstream software already so that even if you remain with a headless system that may work without systemd you are still beat as far as working DE unless something like openbox or one of the other lightweight WM's? |
| 18:41.49 | pencilandpaper | we are all gone, the way that a meteor by the name of systemd wiped out debian. |
| 18:41.58 | pencilandpaper | thanks for your responses Iridos . have a good one. :) |
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| 18:45.32 | Iridos | pencilandpaper, when the meteor hits, 200000 people will stop dying of hunger every day. when one of the things you mentioned happen, you write a bug report. |
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| 18:46.08 | Iridos | I should be more positive... |
| 18:46.12 | Iridos | s/when/if/g |
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| 18:49.11 | pencilandpaper | they do, Iridos , but they have also lost a oppurtunity to get something to eat at another time. as well as the oppurtunity to see a sunset, feel a cool breeze, etc. essentially they have lost the blessing that they were given called life. |
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| 18:49.46 | pencilandpaper | or the freedom to choose what software they want installed on their OS without a monopoly sneaking in on the low..and debian the one that everyone thought would hold out sold out. |
| 18:49.56 | unborn | Iridos, those people dying coz of our system - you know that.. meteor will just make things bit faster - I dont like this sense of humour but I take it as your expression of humour. well as you said be positive - good luck :) |
| 18:49.59 | Iridos | or the curse of said... |
| 18:50.15 | Iridos | pencilandpaper, but surely YOU will not miss the opportunity of a bug report if any of the other stuff happens |
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| 18:50.52 | JordiGH | I wonder network manager is doing... whenever I ask it to list which VPN connections it has configured, it always only gives me a small apparently random sample of all the connections I've configured. |
| 18:51.16 | JordiGH | Maybe private internet access's automatic VPN script wreaked havoc somewhere... |
| 18:51.24 | JordiGH | How do I undo it now? :-( |
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| 18:53.30 | pencilandpaper | they are already reported Iridos ..still no fix. i think that it has to be compiled out of the upstream software for the bug to be fixed. :) |
| 18:53.41 | Iridos | JordiGH, isn't it storing stuff in the user directory? shouldn't be too hard to find, then |
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| 18:54.34 | JordiGH | Iridos: No, it definitely fucked around /etc |
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| 18:55.00 | pencilandpaper | do you just want to see detailed information about your connections JordiGH ? |
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| 18:55.28 | JordiGH | pencilandpaper: No, I want to connect with OpenVPN using network manager. I can connect fine from the CLI. |
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| 18:55.56 | JordiGH | But Network Manager just does nothing... there isn't even anything in the logs. I click on what looks like an OpenVPN connection and nothing happens. |
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| 18:56.38 | pencilandpaper | o ok i see JordiGH . wicd-gtk? |
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| 18:57.11 | JordiGH | Is there really nobody on Earth who understands how Network Manager works? |
| 18:57.13 | pencilandpaper | its a gui for wicd, so you can have the icon in the panel and possibly be able to get better results. |
| 18:57.57 | JordiGH | Is the best solution to stop using it? Have its indescribable eldritch abominations driven mad all those who dare gaze upon its abyss? |
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| 18:58.25 | pencilandpaper | lol i know right, well when you right click on it and it opens. there is a section for VPN right? |
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| 18:58.29 | JordiGH | Yes. |
| 18:58.53 | pencilandpaper | and when you fill in the necessary fields it still does nothing? |
| 18:59.07 | JordiGH | I already had it working on wheezy. |
| 18:59.31 | JordiGH | Well, it was already flakey there. It did this weird thing where each time it started it showed me an apparent random subset of all configured VPN connections. |
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| 18:59.53 | JordiGH | Now, the connections show up in the menu but clicking on them does apparently nothing. |
| 19:00.31 | pencilandpaper | right right, there are others that i have seen have the same issue with the network manager. i dont know what to say other than what i have suggested or for you to go through the cli as you have already done man. |
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| 19:01.00 | JordiGH | Okay, thanks. |
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| 19:01.06 | pencilandpaper | yw JordiGH . |
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| 19:04.08 | amflir | Where can I download debian potato? |
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| 19:08.22 | checkmatein1 | http://en.lichess.org/4v5CFVHL |
| 19:08.59 | nickgaw | Hi, How using the command line version of truecrypt do I mount my windows ntfs-3g partition with not using pre boot authentication what is the mount options as truecrypt manual is no use? |
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| 19:09.46 | lmat | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:09.54 | lmat | oops |
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| 19:09.58 | nkuttler | nickgaw: you'll have to ask truecrypt support |
| 19:09.59 | ed32 | Whats the recommended directory to place executables in the user home? |
| 19:10.02 | JordiGH | checkmatein1: Yessssss! |
| 19:10.11 | JordiGH | checkmatein1: Man, I've been waiting so long for a free chess website! |
| 19:10.14 | JordiGH | this looks great! |
| 19:10.15 | nkuttler | ed32: i like ~/local/bin |
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| 19:10.52 | nkuttler | JordiGH: dunno. spam looks great? |
| 19:10.58 | eXpl0it3r | Is there a way to disable IPv6 look up for one specific domain, it has an AAAA record but in mostly all cases timesout on IPv6, but works fine on IPv4. |
| 19:11.01 | checkmatein1 | http://en.lichess.org/4v5CFVHL |
| 19:11.14 | Dagger | eXpl0it3r: /etc/hosts |
| 19:11.45 | Dagger | and tell the site to fix their broken shit |
| 19:12.00 | eXpl0it3r | I did |
| 19:12.11 | teraflop | checkmatein1: ip4 fdqn? |
| 19:12.12 | eXpl0it3r | But in the mean time I've to fix it on my end |
| 19:12.37 | teraflop | ah you told them to fix their shit :P |
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| 19:14.19 | eXpl0it3r | Dagger: the hosts file worked, let's hope they've a static IP D: |
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| 19:23.39 | F4RR3L | Hello |
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| 19:24.03 | F4RR3L | Could someone bother explaining what is "exec 10<&0" |
| 19:24.15 | F4RR3L | what does "<&" mean? |
| 19:24.18 | F4RR3L | and >& |
| 19:24.23 | F4RR3L | &> * |
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| 19:27.12 | M-Maraun | i think "exec 10<&0" redirect the STDIN to the filedescriptor 10. |
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| 19:27.33 | F4RR3L | stdin is user input or what? |
| 19:27.34 | F4RR3L | xD |
| 19:28.09 | M-Maraun | 0=standard in 1=standard out 2=error |
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| 19:28.37 | F4RR3L | I read that somewhere |
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| 19:28.53 | F4RR3L | What exactly does that refer to? |
| 19:29.17 | checkmatein1 | chess |
| 19:29.27 | F4RR3L | and what's "filedescriptor 10" |
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| 19:29.33 | M-Maraun | 0=STDIN = User Input |
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| 19:29.39 | fivetwentysix | how do I make my system resync time? |
| 19:29.48 | fivetwentysix | it seems that my server is a minute or two ahead :( |
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| 19:29.57 | M-Maraun | Only 0-2 are default hanles, all other are free to use for programms |
| 19:30.21 | F4RR3L | Free to use for programs? |
| 19:30.23 | F4RR3L | What does that mean |
| 19:30.24 | F4RR3L | xD |
| 19:30.27 | F4RR3L | sorry, I'm confused |
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| 19:30.56 | F4RR3L | and what's filedescriptor 10? |
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| 19:33.04 | M-Maraun | each new file handle is above 3, therefore the 8th new handle, maybye a logfile or a database. you must look to the source. |
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| 19:33.43 | F4RR3L | Look to the source |
| 19:33.52 | F4RR3L | I don't understand a lot that's been told to me right now xD |
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| 19:37.39 | jhutchins | !ntp |
| 19:37.39 | dpkg | The Network Time Protocol (NTP) is used to synchronize the clocks of computer systems over a network. "aptitude install ntp" is enough to get going and synchronise your clock using the default ntp pool. http://wiki.debian.org/NTP http://www.ntp.org/ See also <set time>, <pool.ntp>. |
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| 19:38.01 | jhutchins | fivetwentysix: Check that^ out. |
| 19:38.02 | M-Maraun | for example "exec 10< /etc/hosts" redirect the read operation to filehandle 10 |
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| 19:38.20 | jhutchins | F4RR3L: Google "bash redirect" |
| 19:38.59 | M-Maraun | and "cat <&10" read from filehandle 10 and printed it out |
| 19:39.32 | dtcrshr | where on debian jessie went the network configuration? My etc/network/interfaces has nothing, and the /interfaces.d/ is empty |
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| 19:41.30 | F4RR3L | jhutchins is this what I'm looking for? https://workaround.org/linuxtip/pipes |
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| 19:42.37 | jhutchins | dtcrshr: Possibly Network Manager? |
| 19:43.34 | dtcrshr | jhutchins: well, I didnt install any graphical interfaces, I used a netinstall and installed only the packages I needed. The network was setup on the installation proccess |
| 19:43.52 | dtcrshr | but this file has nothing, yet still the eth0 is setup correctly calling ifconfig |
| 19:44.14 | dtcrshr | I just wanna replicate this machine, and change its ip address, but it must be setup somewhere else, very odd |
| 19:44.22 | jhutchins | F4RR3L: You'll find LOTS of articles on it, that one looks good. |
| 19:44.37 | M-Maraun | F4RR3L: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/io-redirection.html |
| 19:44.42 | jhutchins | dtcrshr: network-manager-cli |
| 19:44.57 | dtcrshr | ? |
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| 19:45.43 | SynrG | Keep the support on one channel please |
| 19:46.01 | jhutchins | dtcrshr: It's also possible that systemd is doing something with the network now. |
| 19:46.14 | dtcrshr | well, the addresses are setup on a different spot - /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections |
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| 19:46.29 | dtcrshr | maybe its just on jessie now, very akward |
| 19:46.30 | F4RR3L | thanks! |
| 19:46.53 | dtcrshr | didnt found anything different on the docummentation, it should be update though, if the addresses will be setup by instalation on this different path |
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| 19:47.54 | SynrG | dtcrshr: it is no different than in wheezy |
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| 19:48.23 | SynrG | I suspect an error in your package selection in expert install |
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| 19:49.40 | dtcrshr | SynrG: well, for the many times I installed wheezy using the same steps, maybe something really changed then |
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| 19:50.23 | dtcrshr | but now that the ips are setup on this networkmanager thing, should I edit the network/interfaces file, or simply edit this one? |
| 19:50.50 | dtcrshr | or re run this network manager (which isnt installed, or has another command that dont start with net*) |
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| 20:03.53 | jhutchins | dtcrshr: If you're using a static address you can still put it in /etc/network/interfaces and networkmanager will ignore it. |
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| 20:04.19 | jhutchins | dtcrshr: Systems are transitioning toward NM because it's more flexible and easier to manage transient wifi connections. |
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| 20:13.42 | dtcrshr | I see jhutchins I removed / purged nm and setup the address on interfaces its fine now |
| 20:14.24 | Wikked | I have a strange problem when i type crontab the terminal just hangs, Debian 8 |
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| 20:16.47 | jhutchins | Wikked: What happens if you type "editor"? |
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| 20:17.16 | Wikked | it opens |
| 20:17.29 | jhutchins | Wikked: Try crontab -e |
| 20:17.39 | jhutchins | Wikked: It wants you to select the editor. |
| 20:17.50 | Wikked | Thanks so much! |
| 20:18.00 | jhutchins | Wikked: That's probably a bug, it should use the env var. |
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| 20:18.21 | Wikked | it worked like a charm :) |
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| 20:33.51 | dimitry7 | Hi guys. Is there any technical reason why files in the FS just desappear? |
| 20:33.56 | dimitry7 | * disappear |
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| 20:35.41 | checkmatein1 | logic |
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| 20:36.51 | dimitry7 | cheapie, logic? |
| 20:36.57 | jhutchins | If the data becomes too sparse you can see right through them. |
| 20:36.57 | dimitry7 | checkmatein1, logic? |
| 20:37.24 | dimitry7 | jhutchins, ok some directories have desappeared, like deleted, but were not deleted |
| 20:37.30 | dimitry7 | any FS error? |
| 20:37.50 | jhutchins | dimitry7: What FS? What directories? |
| 20:38.10 | dimitry7 | Oh Debian 6, in home, ext4 |
| 20:38.16 | jhutchins | dimitry7: Linux does not spontaneously eat files. |
| 20:38.25 | prince_jammys | deleted, but not deleted? sounds interesting. |
| 20:38.39 | dimitry7 | yeah |
| 20:38.42 | jhutchins | Deleted, but he doesn't know how. |
| 20:38.42 | prince_jammys | like zombies in a way. |
| 20:38.53 | prince_jammys | oh, so actually deleted. |
| 20:39.02 | jhutchins | That's how I read it anyway. |
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| 20:39.16 | dimitry7 | well, yes |
| 20:39.36 | dimitry7 | is there any way to recover? or see how were deleted / moved, corrupted? |
| 20:39.44 | jhutchins | dimitry7: You can do a filesystem check - the best way is shutdown -Fr now |
| 20:39.52 | dimitry7 | couldn't them have been corruted? |
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| 20:39.58 | dimitry7 | jhutchins, ok |
| 20:40.00 | jhutchins | dimitry7: No, if the files were deleted they're gone. That's why you make backups. |
| 20:40.10 | dimitry7 | yes |
| 20:40.23 | jhutchins | dimitry7: If they were corrupted they would still be there. |
| 20:40.42 | dimitry7 | well... but ... not in *.pdf format right? |
| 20:40.45 | jhutchins | dimitry7: If there's something wrong with your system the filesystem could be corrupt - that's what the fsck is for. |
| 20:41.06 | jhutchins | dimitry7: This is not something that commonly happens. |
| 20:41.35 | jhutchins | dimitry7: It takes a special type of filesystem corruption to make files just disappear, and probably indicates failing hardware. |
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| 20:41.39 | dimitry7 | jhutchins, I agree, it doesn't just happen... it's been like 6 months I don't do a FS check btw |
| 20:41.48 | jhutchins | dimitry7: You might want to check dmesg and /var/log/syslog for errors. |
| 20:42.14 | prince_jammys | how many directories have "disappeared"? |
| 20:42.14 | jhutchins | dimitry7: I usually install smartmontools and enable it. |
| 20:42.18 | dimitry7 | prince_jammys, like 4.. with pdfs on it |
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| 20:42.34 | dimitry7 | jhutchins, like which ones? |
| 20:42.45 | prince_jammys | have you searched for the files you know were in there, in case you inadvertently moved those directories elsewhere? |
| 20:42.53 | dimitry7 | prince_jammys, yes from / |
| 20:42.57 | dimitry7 | nothing |
| 20:43.01 | dimitry7 | I think is my fs |
| 20:43.15 | dimitry7 | could be not, but could be |
| 20:43.19 | jhutchins | dimitry7: Then run fsck and check for hardware errors. |
| 20:43.29 | dimitry7 | jhutchins, yes, Im gonna do it tonight |
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| 20:49.21 | Andril | hello |
| 20:49.39 | Lady_Aleena | Hello. Is there any way debian could change my BIOS when things go wonky? A while ago, we have two power flickers, and since then I have no been able to get my computer to shut down. I shut it down, then it boots right back up. |
| 20:50.15 | msl09 | sounds unlikely |
| 20:50.19 | Lady_Aleena | s/have two/had two/; s/no been/not been/; |
| 20:50.28 | jhutchins | Lady_Aleena: Unlikely anything in the OS wrote to the BIOS. It's possible but highly unusual. |
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| 20:50.52 | jhutchins | Lady_Aleena: More like a problem in the BIOS itself. Try booting into single-user/rescue mode and doing a hard shutdown. |
| 20:51.09 | jhutchins | Lady_Aleena: Might be useful to load the BIOS interface and go through the settings. |
| 20:51.11 | Lady_Aleena | Hard shutdown? |
| 20:51.24 | jhutchins | halt, or shutdown -h now |
| 20:51.32 | jhutchins | Lady_Aleena: As root of course. |
| 20:51.37 | Lady_Aleena | Of course |
| 20:52.09 | jhutchins | ... which, of course, you already are if it's in single-user. |
| 20:52.30 | Lady_Aleena | That's the second option in grub, right? |
| 20:52.40 | Lady_Aleena | only has two grub options. |
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| 20:54.54 | Lady_Aleena | Also, does it mean anything with my computer being set up as a server? (I installed Apache with debian.) |
| 20:55.15 | jhutchins | Lady_Aleena: No bearing on this problem. Apache's just a program. |
| 20:55.44 | jhutchins | Lady_Aleena: You might want to do a shutdown -Fr now - this causes it to reboot and run a filesystem check. |
| 20:55.55 | jhutchins | Lady_Aleena: That wouldn't affect shutdown though. |
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| 20:56.12 | Lady_Aleena | So, reboot, go into the BIOS to see if there is something in there which would keep my computer from completely shutting down. |
| 20:56.24 | jhutchins | Lady_Aleena: The only thing I can think of is if whatever you're using to shut down is sending the BIOS the wrong signal. |
| 20:56.44 | jhutchins | Lady_Aleena: Again, CLI commands are good for checking this. |
| 20:56.49 | Lady_Aleena | Let me check KDE's system settings. |
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| 20:59.48 | Lady_Aleena | .oO(How many times will I have to Google CLI before I remember what it is?) |
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| 21:01.42 | babilen | Read http://www.cryptonomicon.com/beginning.html and you'll never forget |
| 21:01.48 | Lady_Aleena | I checked KDE's startup and shutdown options, and I didn't see anything there which would cause this behavior. |
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| 21:02.14 | Lady_Aleena | So, reboot, go into BIOS, etc. |
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| 21:03.07 | jhutchins | Lady_Aleena: http://www.cryptonomicon.com/beginning.html |
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| 21:03.48 | jhutchins | Lady_Aleena: Test the shutdown -h now command. Try shutdown -Fr now to check the filesystem. Check the BIOS settings on one of the reboots. |
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| 21:06.02 | blocky | i'm trying to install from debian-live-8.0.0-amd64-mate-desktop+nonfree.iso over wifi and the desktop and the installer are fighting over control of the wifi |
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| 21:07.24 | Lady_Aleena | is off to do a few rsyncs first. |
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| 21:08.41 | blocky | when i start the livecd, i can connect using the tray applet and access web pages through iceweasel, but when the installer tries to configure network, it knocks the connection out, then says it was unable to connect |
| 21:08.41 | blocky | any way around this? |
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| 21:09.56 | jhutchins | !mate |
| 21:09.56 | dpkg | The MATE Desktop Environment is a fork of GNOME 2, available since Debian 8 "Jessie" (and also in wheezy-backports). To install, ask me about <install mate>. https://wiki.debian.org/Mate http://mate-desktop.org/ #mate on chat.freenode.net. |
| 21:10.42 | jhutchins | blocky: I would say either play with the live image or do the install, don't try to do both at once. |
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| 21:16.13 | blocky | this installer seems to have other problems too |
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| 21:16.26 | blocky | unable to contact a mirror, and unable to install grub |
| 21:16.38 | blocky | ill try it without the livecd |
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| 21:17.06 | hiexpo | you have to have internet for grub you are creating your own problems |
| 21:17.33 | blocky | hiexpo: i have internet but grub is actually for the disk, and doesn't require internet |
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| 21:20.49 | blocky | wifi is not working in graphical installer, non-free firmware is not being loaded |
| 21:21.34 | hiexpo | plug into eth you can't get non free off disk |
| 21:21.58 | acz32 | are you using the non-free installer? |
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| 21:22.38 | blocky | acz32: yeah, i downloaded a non-free-firmware iso |
| 21:22.44 | blocky | or do i need to specifically enable that installer? i didn't see any option at the boot menu |
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| 21:22.54 | jhutchins | !firmware |
| 21:22.54 | dpkg | Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
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| 21:24.04 | blocky | jhutchins? |
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| 21:24.32 | blocky | it's ath9k |
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| 21:24.56 | blocky | it's ath9k_htc, and it's loaded according to lsmod |
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| 21:26.17 | blocky | so I'm using the non-free iso, shouldn't the installer detect wlan0 since the firmware is loaded? |
| 21:26.47 | SynrG | you confirmed the firmware was loaded? |
| 21:26.49 | jhutchins | blocky: One would think so. |
| 21:26.58 | SynrG | you've confirmed the module is loaded. that's not the same as the firmware, however |
| 21:27.02 | jhutchins | blocky: dmesg should show whether it finds the firmware. |
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| 21:27.28 | blocky | SynrG: dmesg was showing missing firmware, that's how i know it wasn't being loaded |
| 21:27.38 | blocky | how do i manually load firmware? |
| 21:27.44 | SynrG | you don't |
| 21:27.58 | SynrG | but the missing firmware messages are now gone from dmesg? |
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| 21:30.20 | blocky | no, i think the firmware is still not detected |
| 21:30.28 | blocky | i thought ath9k_htc was the firmware but that's another module of the driver |
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| 21:30.33 | SynrG | wait, live cd? |
| 21:30.54 | SynrG | the non-free netinst should work just fine |
| 21:30.58 | blocky | it's a livecd but i rebooted out of the live environment and am now running the gui install |
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| 21:31.04 | JZA | hi how come when I use aptitude update I get a total of the updates but I dont know which packages were updated? |
| 21:31.12 | JZA | should I have used a flag? is there a log of the updated packages? |
| 21:31.15 | SynrG | blocky: from the desktop? |
| 21:31.35 | blocky | SynrG: no from the boot menu, i chose gui install instead of boot livecd |
| 21:31.39 | SynrG | ok. |
| 21:31.51 | SynrG | blocky: is this an official image, then? |
| 21:32.02 | SynrG | er, unofficial official? :) |
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| 21:32.08 | SynrG | i.e. provided by the debian-cd team |
| 21:32.23 | blocky | it's this one heh http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
| 21:32.30 | SynrG | yeah |
| 21:32.50 | blocky | also wondering why i downloaded debian 8 but the desktop link said 'install sid' |
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| 21:33.15 | SynrG | the desktop link should've been updated to not say that. apparently that needs fixing |
| 21:33.38 | SynrG | blocky: i'd appreciate if you'd join #debian-cd @ irc.oftc.net and we discuss it there |
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| 21:34.15 | blocky | SynrG: ok |
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| 21:52.37 | blocky | grub seems to install correctly this time |
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| 21:57.41 | CityLights2 | help packaging; I got http://nopaste.linux-dev.org/?475362 |
| 21:58.41 | CityLights2 | the tmp file: http://nopaste.linux-dev.org/?475364 |
| 21:59.21 | CityLights2 | I have created a changelog using dch , yet it dosn't work |
| 21:59.25 | CityLights2 | why? |
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| 22:17.00 | blocky | okay so this is very weird, brand new install of debian 8 from cd image team, installed without network and then got wifi working, installed google-chrome with dpkg from google package, launched it, signed into google, and got a popup for 1800option.com become a part ofmillionaires society etc etc |
| 22:17.22 | blocky | i am using neighbors wifi, could there be something going on there? |
| 22:17.51 | roberth1990 | blocky: yes |
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| 22:18.39 | roberth1990 | blocky: try disabling all your extensions and see if it persists |
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| 22:18.50 | blocky | roberth1990: fresh install, no extensions |
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| 22:19.18 | roberth1990 | blocky: your neighbours router might be infected with ad injector |
| 22:19.27 | roberth1990 | blocky: try iceweasel just to be sure |
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| 22:19.33 | roberth1990 | its not you |
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| 22:19.39 | blocky | pretty sure it's a cable modem/router combo from isp |
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| 22:20.23 | roberth1990 | yeah thats my main suspect |
| 22:20.33 | blocky | no ads on iceweasel yet |
| 22:20.42 | blocky | should i keep browsingon chrome and see if more come up? |
| 22:21.01 | blocky | so far no more on chrome either... |
| 22:21.08 | roberth1990 | blocky: you could just turn on popup blocking in chrome |
| 22:21.28 | blocky | roberth1990: not really concerned about blocking ads as much as how they got there in the first place |
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| 22:22.02 | roberth1990 | blocky: well then you are just making things difficult and timewasting for your self |
| 22:22.30 | blocky | roberth1990: if ads started coming up on your computer you would not worry about security, just install some software to block them? |
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| 22:25.17 | roberth1990 | I just use ghostery and ublock origins and go on with my life, I don't see how try to get rid of ads in any other way is better |
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| 22:25.22 | acz32 | blocky: if you care about security you would not use neighbor's wifi |
| 22:25.27 | acz32 | do you even have permission? |
| 22:25.30 | roberth1990 | +1 |
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| 22:31.45 | blocky | acz32: yeah :/ |
| 22:31.48 | awal1 | blocky: iceweasel + adblockplus + noscript xul-extenssions is not a bad idea. |
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| 22:32.02 | blocky | acz32: yeah it's my landlords wifi |
| 22:32.20 | blocky | it's redirecting through something called zg1.zeroredirect2.com |
| 22:32.34 | hikenboot_ | hi! how do i make root have rw permissions on a proc in a chroot so i can delete it...its not mounted anywhere |
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| 22:32.41 | roberth1990 | blocky: what isp? |
| 22:32.49 | blocky | shaw cable |
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| 22:34.53 | blocky | all the google results are for windows adware, how did it get into my fresh debian install |
| 22:35.04 | blocky | router dns infected? |
| 22:35.29 | hikenboot_ | blocky, if your using chrome check plugins and extensions |
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| 22:36.57 | blocky | hikenboot_: 3 extensions for google docs, sheets and slides, and 5 plugins which i believe are all stock |
| 22:36.58 | hikenboot_ | probably same for firefox, iceweasal konqueror, ie on wine and any other browser i suspect |
| 22:37.23 | hikenboot_ | remove all extension and see if it comes back...I had this problem...though i had been hacked |
| 22:37.52 | blocky | even the extensions that come with chrome? |
| 22:37.55 | hikenboot_ | i even had the extensions reappear a couple days later |
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| 22:37.58 | hikenboot_ | yup |
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| 22:38.05 | blocky | how did it get into the chrome install dpkg? |
| 22:38.16 | hikenboot_ | dont know had that problem though. |
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| 22:38.20 | hikenboot_ | just try it |
| 22:38.32 | blocky | well i haven't gotten any more popups |
| 22:38.42 | blocky | if i close it and it doesn't come back im not just going to assume it's gone |
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| 22:38.47 | hikenboot_ | I think someone should notify google |
| 22:39.21 | aphorise | What can I use to help position open application windows? left, right, etc. via shortcut keys? |
| 22:39.25 | hikenboot_ | anyone know how to delete a chroot? Got permissions problems r-r-r and cant change it even though i am root |
| 22:39.51 | hikenboot_ | proc not mounted |
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| 22:40.27 | hikenboot_ | although i have a bunch of proc/task/#### files i cant delete |
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| 22:41.01 | hikenboot_ | I dont see a sticky bit on the files either |
| 22:41.12 | aphorise | Thats there intentionally... NSA backdoors thanks to google :-) |
| 22:41.39 | hikenboot_ | no my data is safe, only google and MS and yahoo have it |
| 22:42.01 | hikenboot_ | oh and dont forget good old faceboo |
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| 22:42.11 | aphorise | and the neighbours time-machines? |
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| 22:42.50 | hikenboot_ | nah google and microsoft exist out of time, they reached the singularity 20 years ago |
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| 22:48.25 | bdols | :wq |
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| 22:54.50 | HD|Laptop | hello all |
| 22:55.27 | HD|Laptop | in debian wheezy, what is the way of configuring the keyboard layout for the physical console? dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration did not help |
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| 22:55.37 | HD|Laptop | english keyboard layout is driving me crazy |
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| 22:55.52 | Rev_DE | Hey, is anyone here good with packaging? We need to build a debian package for one of our programming labs, and I'm getting hung up on a warning/problem 'empty-binary-package'. How would I force debuild to include a particular binary that's built? |
| 22:55.56 | Rev_DE | (Src. available) |
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| 23:50.14 | Gm4n | Are there any known issues with xen-create-image on jessie? I'm unable to create new VMs. |
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