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| 00:01.29 | nick[0] | abrotman: I would have guessed it's an ssh thing, unless /bin/dash has identical behaviour to bash for this |
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| 00:10.10 | phix | ok so dahdi in jessie doesn't have the init.d script :\ |
| 00:10.13 | phix | where did it go? |
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| 00:16.42 | babilen | systemd unit file? |
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| 00:19.55 | abrotman | nick[0]: it might .. they're similar in many ways |
| 00:20.08 | abrotman | nick[0]: did you try to quote 'init' ? |
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| 00:20.45 | Dan39 | why was my system time 25 seconds off even tho ntp daemon was running? i stopped the daemon and ran ntpd -gq and it fixed it.. |
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| 00:23.04 | squisher | Dan39, you should check if it was actually synced up to servers |
| 00:23.05 | abrotman | Dan39: If it was off by 30 seconds, it won't skew the clock, it will 'drift' it back to sync. |
| 00:23.26 | Dan39 | it had been running for weeks at least |
| 00:24.00 | abrotman | so maybe it was off by 15 minutes |
| 00:24.21 | squisher | I'd also consider openntpd as an alternative |
| 00:24.48 | Dan39 | http://pastie.org/10187713 |
| 00:24.51 | nick[0] | abrotman: I felt that that was becoming too quote heavy. It turns out that the simplest solution works best in this case! kurahaupo in #bash let me know that ssh -c ssh is automatic, so ssh server "echo init; some ; commands" is sufficient :-) |
| 00:25.18 | Dan39 | thats the ntpq -p right before i stopped ntp and -gq |
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| 00:25.51 | Dan39 | pretty odd imo |
| 00:26.47 | nick[0] | abrotman: from what I've gathered, adding "-s" to my rsync command will also prevent word-splitting when rsyncing dirs with spaces in their names. I'm relieved to be able to use a more simple and consistent quoting style |
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| 00:28.10 | Dan39 | o this is interesting |
| 00:28.10 | squisher | Dan39, I'm missing some * + etc in front of the names |
| 00:28.39 | Dan39 | squisher: huh? |
| 00:28.56 | abrotman | nick[0]: see, #bash is useful sometimes |
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| 00:29.34 | squisher | Dan39, http://paste.debian.net/176631/ is my output |
| 00:29.35 | Dan39 | ok well, just found this in syslog... |
| 00:29.38 | Dan39 | May 13 17:28:44 irc kernel: [17349069.808084] Clocksource tsc unstable (delta = 4521994945 ns) |
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| 00:30.04 | abrotman | is that really saying your clock differs by that many nanoseconds? |
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| 00:30.07 | Dan39 | wonder what that means.. |
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| 00:30.40 | Dan39 | host node problems? |
| 00:30.47 | squisher | irc is virtual? |
| 00:30.48 | nick[0] | abrotman: yes, thank you very much for the recommendation |
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| 00:30.54 | squisher | what hypervisor? |
| 00:30.56 | Dan39 | its a ramnode vps |
| 00:31.24 | Dan39 | kvm i assume |
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| 00:31.56 | squisher | for kvm you usually want a different clocksource |
| 00:32.24 | GreeningGalaxy | hi, I'm having trouble assigning compose keys. compose keys are working, but they're insisting on using the defaults and not reading the Compose file under /usr/share/X11/locale/[locale] |
| 00:32.26 | Dan39 | if it was openvz then it wouldnt allow me to change the time afaik |
| 00:32.51 | squisher | Dan39, often a look at /proc/cpuinfo or an lspci should give you clues |
| 00:33.10 | Dan39 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:33.25 | Dan39 | running on red hat host it looks |
| 00:33.34 | GreeningGalaxy | my custom file in en_US.UTF-8 works fine, provided a) I'm root and b) I'm using xterm. nowhere else, AFAICT. |
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| 00:34.02 | Dan39 | think i should file a ticket with ramnode about this? |
| 00:34.21 | Dan39 | id think their install images should have a stable clock haha |
| 00:34.28 | squisher | yeah, I'd do that |
| 00:34.38 | squisher | or try to "hard reset" the vm for a temporary fix |
| 00:34.38 | GreeningGalaxy | scratch that, it works as non-root in xterm |
| 00:34.40 | GreeningGalaxy | huh |
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| 00:35.38 | Dan39 | squisher: hard reset? reboot it? |
| 00:35.58 | Dan39 | or reinstall the image? <_< |
| 00:36.09 | squisher | Dan39, well, that won't shut down the VM. A halt would do it, assuming their mgmt system will start it up again |
| 00:36.17 | Dan39 | o |
| 00:36.29 | Dan39 | hmm |
| 00:36.29 | squisher | but some control panels also give you a start/stop button |
| 00:36.54 | GreeningGalaxy | so, maybe xfce4 is inhibiting it? |
| 00:36.57 | GreeningGalaxy | that doesnt make sense |
| 00:37.20 | squisher | xfce4 does some keyboard stuff |
| 00:37.32 | squisher | you can switch layouts etc, that may overwrite other settings |
| 00:37.56 | GreeningGalaxy | hrm |
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| 00:38.43 | squisher | GreeningGalaxy, you can actually choose a compose key in the xfce4 settings |
| 00:38.45 | squisher | have you tried that? |
| 00:39.15 | GreeningGalaxy | in which part of settings? |
| 00:39.25 | squisher | keyboard |
| 00:39.28 | squisher | then layout tab |
| 00:40.22 | GreeningGalaxy | I have no options there. just "use system defaults" and if that's not checked, all I can change is the keyboard layout. |
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| 00:41.32 | GreeningGalaxy | lemme just do apt-get install xfce4* and try that again. |
| 00:42.18 | squisher | GreeningGalaxy, ah oops, I'm on 4.12 (which should be in jessie afaik) |
| 00:42.31 | GreeningGalaxy | hmm ok |
| 00:42.32 | squisher | my guess is you're on 4.10 - a reason to finally do that dist-upgrade! :P |
| 00:42.46 | GreeningGalaxy | I installed Jessie like two weeks ago |
| 00:42.59 | squisher | ,v xfce4 |
| 00:43.00 | judd | Package: xfce4 on amd64 -- squeeze: 4.6.2; wheezy: 4.8.0.3; stretch: 4.10.1; jessie: 4.10.1; sid: 4.12.1 |
| 00:43.01 | GreeningGalaxy | is there already a dist-upgrade to be had? |
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| 00:43.15 | squisher | GreeningGalaxy, ah my bad, it's not in jessie - sorry |
| 00:43.20 | GreeningGalaxy | that explains that then |
| 00:43.35 | squisher | but afaik with the "use system defaults" it shouldn't actually mess anything up (I forgot it had that checkbox) |
| 00:43.47 | GreeningGalaxy | hmm |
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| 00:48.37 | GreeningGalaxy | xfce 4.12 isn't any better with touchscreens by any chance, is it? |
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| 00:49.11 | GreeningGalaxy | i like the DE enough to use it as my main one, but it's annoying how the window borders/buttons don't respond to touch |
| 00:50.09 | squisher | GreeningGalaxy, afaik not, but you can probably choose a better suited theme (and you probably have that choice in 4.10 too) |
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| 00:50.38 | GreeningGalaxy | it's not the theme that's the problem, it's that the titlebar and close/minimize/maximize buttons just do not respond to touch events at all |
| 00:51.01 | GreeningGalaxy | doesn't matter how big they are, windows can't be dragged, closed, or minimized with the touch screen. I've found several threads and a bug report on the subject. |
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| 00:52.18 | GreeningGalaxy | so what exactly is different about xterm from everything else? I can use my en_US.UTF-8 compose file there, but nowhere else. |
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| 00:55.24 | squisher | GreeningGalaxy, ah, I had no clue that that's different from a mouse event. |
| 00:55.43 | squisher | you can always use xfce and another window manager, too |
| 00:55.48 | nyk2005 | I have a D-Link DWA-127 which I would like to use on debian wheezy on a sheevaplug. It's supposed to use the rt2800usb kernel module, which is present, but the USB ID is ID 2001:3d04 instead of 2001:3C1B, which it should have according to https://wiki.debian.org/rt2800usb. Does this need another driver? Or can I somehow convince the rt2800usb to accept this USB ID? |
| 00:55.59 | squisher | GreeningGalaxy, maybe try xfce4-terminal? |
| 00:56.02 | GreeningGalaxy | i found something that suggests that I have to change GTK_IM_MODULE to 'xim' for that to work. I can't do that, because I want to use ibus |
| 00:56.08 | GreeningGalaxy | xfce4-terminal doesn't work for that. |
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| 00:56.27 | GreeningGalaxy | I know some kind of compose keys are working, I just can't figure out how to change them. |
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| 00:58.52 | GreeningGalaxy | wow, okay. apparently the compose layout I'm seeing here is literally just hardcoded into ibus. >_> |
| 00:58.58 | GreeningGalaxy | way to go, ibus. |
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| 01:08.36 | Akuw | i upgraded to jessie from wheezy, but some apps don't start in gnome |
| 01:09.21 | karlpinc | Akuw: You followed the upgrade instructions in the release notes? |
| 01:09.41 | Akuw | yes |
| 01:09.51 | abrotman | Akuw: such as what? |
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| 01:14.12 | nyk2005 | I have a D-Link DWA-127 which I would like to use on debian wheezy on a sheevaplug. It's supposed to use the rt2800usb kernel module, which is present, but the USB ID is ID 2001:3d04 instead of 2001:3C1B, which it should have according to https://wiki.debian.org/rt2800usb. Does this need another driver? Or can I somehow convince the rt2800usb to accept this USB ID? |
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| 01:15.08 | abrotman | nyk2005: did you install the firmware? Is there a reason you're not using Jessie? Have you tried the BPO kernel? |
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| 01:16.34 | nyk2005 | abrotman: jessie doesn't work well on the sheevaplug, as far as I know. And I installed the firmware-ralink package, but is this sufficient? I haven't tried the BPO kernel, never heard of it, I'm afraid. |
| 01:16.52 | karlpinc | nyk2005: I don't understand. A D-Link is hardware, wheezy is software, and a sheevaplug is hardware. How do you use hardware on software on hardware? |
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| 01:17.20 | nyk2005 | karlpinc: you plug the dlink in the sheevaplug and it runs debian.. |
| 01:17.50 | nyk2005 | karlpinc: yeah but its a bad sentence... |
| 01:18.00 | karlpinc | nyk2005: The dlink is a hard drive? |
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| 01:18.10 | nyk2005 | karlpinc: a wifi modul |
| 01:18.19 | karlpinc | nyk2005: Ok. |
| 01:18.57 | abrotman | karlpinc: USB wifi adapter |
| 01:19.23 | karlpinc | nyk2005: How are you putting debian on a sheevaplug? I've a sheevaplug and am interested. You flash it with uboot? Where do you get the image? |
| 01:19.24 | nyk2005 | maybe just patch the kernel module to usb-id of my wifi adapter |
| 01:20.01 | abrotman | nyk2005: modinfo rt2800usb | grep 3C1B |
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| 01:20.59 | nyk2005 | karlpinc: it an image from debian an uboot from Matthias Blaicher: http://www.blaicher.com/2012/07/installing-debian-on-a-sheevaplug-into-flash/ |
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| 01:22.04 | nyk2005 | karlpinc: the link to the image is broken, it links to jessy and this doesn't work, because it doesn't accept the sheevaplug device-id. But it works with the same image from wheezy |
| 01:22.07 | karlpinc | nyk2005: Oh yah. I remember those. I recall not wanting to trust some random person's image and wanting to build my own. I don't think he's got complete instructions, but there's enough there to figure it out. Maybe. |
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| 01:22.49 | karlpinc | nyk2005: This is why providing an image is not enough. There needs to be instructions on how to build the image. |
| 01:22.53 | nyk2005 | karlpinc: it works and I trusted it. the office |
| 01:23.12 | abrotman | would try the BPO kernel |
| 01:23.43 | nyk2005 | karlpinc: ..not the office. I mean I should probably just use the older one, not sure if the new uboot features are needed at all. |
| 01:25.01 | nyk2005 | nyk2005: yeah it not completly perfect, that guide. You also have to read all comments and take *all* into account. |
| 01:25.14 | nyk2005 | or most |
| 01:25.27 | karlpinc | nyk2005: Isn't the kernel in the image? I don't want to run an old kernel with various security problems. |
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| 01:25.59 | nyk2005 | abrotman: alias: usb:v2001p3C1Bd*dc*dsc*dp*ic*isc*ip* |
| 01:26.15 | abrotman | seems to support it |
| 01:26.26 | nyk2005 | abrotman: so why doesn't it show up? |
| 01:26.31 | abrotman | show up where? |
| 01:26.39 | nyk2005 | abrotman: iwconfig |
| 01:26.49 | abrotman | is it in 'dmesg'? |
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| 01:28.09 | nyk2005 | karlpinc: I have to check if the kernel upgrades worked. It's a bit tricky with the sheevaplug. But the guy from the guide wrote that it should work. It runs 3.2.0-4-kirkwood #1 Debian 3.2.68-1+deb7u1 armv5tel |
| 01:28.45 | nyk2005 | abrotman: just "usbcore: registered new interface driver rt2800usb" |
| 01:28.56 | nyk2005 | abrotman: there should be more I assume |
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| 01:31.07 | nyk2005 | karlpinc: so it runs the current wheezy kernel, I think |
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| 01:32.13 | nyk2005 | karlpinc: but the nand is very small, it's hard to use debian with less that 500megs |
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| 01:34.41 | abrotman | nyk2005: pastebin all of your /var/log/dmesg |
| 01:38.01 | nyk2005 | abrotman: http://www.pastebin.ca/3002477 |
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| 01:40.32 | abrotman | nyk2005: neat .. I would think it would create a device to go with that |
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| 01:41.05 | nyk2005 | abrotman: yeah would be nice. it was just my modprobe |
| 01:41.12 | wonko | ok apt-mirror gurus who weren't around earlier |
| 01:41.13 | wonko | https://gist.github.com/bhechinger/5305aede84e9ce69080e |
| 01:41.18 | wonko | anyone able to shed any light on this? |
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| 01:41.58 | abrotman | wonko: how is that related to Debian? |
| 01:42.18 | abrotman | nyk2005: Right, but it should create a wlan0 or osmething |
| 01:42.51 | nyk2005 | abrotman: yeah, how can I look why it doesn't? |
| 01:43.28 | abrotman | nyk2005: maybe modprobe -r rt2800usb ; modprove -v rt2800usb |
| 01:43.33 | abrotman | but modprobe |
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| 01:43.57 | nyk2005 | abrotman: just tried that, doesn't work |
| 01:44.01 | abrotman | ? |
| 01:44.09 | nyk2005 | deregistering/registered in dmesg |
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| 01:44.19 | abrotman | no extra lines? |
| 01:44.21 | nyk2005 | usbcore: deregistering interface driver rt2800usb |
| 01:44.26 | nyk2005 | usbcore: registered new interface driver rt2800usb |
| 01:44.28 | nyk2005 | nothing more |
| 01:44.43 | nyk2005 | the usb id doesnt seem to match |
| 01:44.54 | abrotman | match what? your usb ID? |
| 01:45.12 | wonko | abrotman: apt is the package system for debian, no? |
| 01:45.16 | nyk2005 | yes |
| 01:45.34 | abrotman | wonko: you're having problems with Ubuntu |
| 01:45.47 | abrotman | nyk2005: what's the USB ID again? |
| 01:46.00 | wonko | I'm having problems with apt, but if you are going to be pedantic about it i'll go there instead |
| 01:46.06 | abrotman | Thanks |
| 01:46.07 | nyk2005 | 2001:3d04 |
| 01:46.35 | abrotman | nyk2005: neat, the kernel in jessie doesn't have that ID either |
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| 01:48.14 | nyk2005 | abrotman: yeah it probably a new unknown revision |
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| 01:48.28 | abrotman | just to be a pain |
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| 01:48.50 | abrotman | nyk2005: there's a 4.x kernel in experimental, but I've not touched it |
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| 01:51.35 | nyk2005 | abrotman: that's an idea, the experimental... but no idea if it works |
| 01:51.38 | nyk2005 | thanks! |
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| 01:56.55 | Teltariat | Hello all. Is there a 1 line to apt-get install all the dependencies for a package, but not the package itself? |
| 01:59.44 | ctmjr | build-dep might be what your looking for as long as the package your building for can be installed with apt |
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| 02:00.05 | ctmjr | sorry apt-get build-dep |
| 02:00.17 | Nautilus | what do I need to know to decide between kdm & lightdm? |
| 02:01.06 | abrotman | Nautilus: try them, pick one |
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| 02:02.40 | Teltariat | ctmjr: thanks, but build-dep will really only work with source packages |
| 02:02.50 | Nautilus | what do they do? Do they look different? |
| 02:03.34 | abrotman | and maybe work differently |
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| 02:05.31 | Nautilus | huh, I thought that was why theres different desktop environments |
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| 02:38.49 | JasonWoof | how do I disable suspend? |
| 02:39.03 | JasonWoof | it's being triggered automatically, I think at exactly 3 minutes after boot |
| 02:39.33 | sydney_untangle | JasonWoof: What DE? |
| 02:39.48 | angerman | Hi. So if I have an openvpn configuration to a server. And I want to run that on a dedicated box with (openvpn --config myconfig.opvn --script-security 2), I guess I need to setup some NAT routing to make that dedicated box work as a gateway, right? |
| 02:40.05 | sydney_untangle | Should be in the power manager of whatever your de is. |
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| 02:40.53 | JasonWoof | sydney_untangle: none, I didn't even install one, just did a basic netinstall with no X, apache and sshd. it suspends whether I'm using it or not |
| 02:41.30 | civillian | angerman: not necessarily |
| 02:41.31 | JasonWoof | if I remove "quiet" from kernel boot args, then I see messages starting with "[ 180.", which I'm guesing is seconds since boot |
| 02:41.36 | sydney_untangle | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:41.49 | sydney_untangle | Wait for someone else... |
| 02:41.55 | angerman | civillian: could you elaborate a little? Network is not really my strength :( |
| 02:41.56 | JasonWoof | I'm hoping I can disable suspend, then later if I have time and care I can try to figure out why it's doing that |
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| 02:42.33 | JasonWoof | I tried adding ACPI=no to my kernel boot args, and I tried "systemctl disable acpid; systemctl stop acpid" |
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| 02:43.41 | civillian | angerman: do you have a diagram of the layout? |
| 02:43.56 | JasonWoof | looks like that should be "noacpi" in kernel boot args. will try that now |
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| 02:44.11 | angerman | civillian: give me a minute. |
| 02:46.18 | angerman | civillian: https://gist.github.com/angerman/f0e0d907ce2166b62bba |
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| 02:48.15 | civillian | angerman: have you read http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/other/security/security-howto/30353-how-to-set-up-a-site-to-site-vpn-with-openvpn |
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| 02:48.57 | angerman | civillian: no, for some reason that link didn't turn up for my queries. But at least their setup looks similar. |
| 02:49.34 | Nautilus | padron the noob question, but I'm not sure what to download. There is a "stable" download? ... what desktop environment does that have? |
| 02:49.39 | Nautilus | pardon* |
| 02:49.44 | civillian | angerman: if you can tell the router to route $remote_subnet via the $local_openvpn server, at both ends, it should work |
| 02:50.07 | DrDamnit | Having a hell of a time adding eth0:1 as a new ipv6 interface. I've been working off this (http://is.gd/luiYiX), but not success. Guidance? |
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| 02:50.30 | angerman | civillian: the endpoint is airvpn, so basically the whole internet :) |
| 02:51.23 | Nautilus | also I'm wondering why there is a CD DL (up to 650M) and a DVD download (up to 4.4G) ? |
| 02:51.25 | abrotman | DrDamnit: do you need it to be separate for some resaon? |
| 02:51.35 | civillian | angerman: in that case I would go for NAT |
| 02:52.10 | civillian | angerman: more specifically, masquerading |
| 02:52.29 | DrDamnit | abrotma: I think so. I have eth0 as an ipv4 with ipv6. There isa dedicated site on that address running SSL. Same for eth0:0, excpet that one doesn't have an ipv6 address. Just an ipv4. would like to add another ipv6 address so I can isolate a new website on it, and run SSL. |
| 02:53.04 | abrotman | DrDamnit: pastebin your interfaces file, and the output fromwhen you try to bring the interface up |
| 02:53.13 | DrDamnit | abrotma: But... I think part of my problem is applying ipv4 logic to ipv6 tech... I may be making it too hard on myself. |
| 02:53.25 | angerman | civillian: will look into NAT with masquerading and try to understand all of it :) |
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| 02:53.51 | civillian | angerman: good luck |
| 02:54.15 | DrDamnit | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/176683/ |
| 02:54.48 | Nautilus | third question - should I just install off the live CD for my chosen desktop environment? |
| 02:54.56 | angerman | civillian: thanks. |
| 02:54.57 | abrotman | DrDamnit: remove line 22 if you hvae line 23 |
| 02:55.04 | DrDamnit | abrotman, the output is nothing. nill. I do ifup eth0:1, and it appears to work, but ifconfig does not show it. When I do ifdown eth0:1, it hangs. |
| 02:55.51 | abrotman | DrDamnit: look in dmesg also |
| 02:55.55 | DrDamnit | If I then try to ifup eth0:1 again, it tells me the interface is already configured. |
| 02:55.59 | DrDamnit | OK. I'll check dmesg |
| 02:56.41 | abrotman | has to go to sleep |
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| 02:57.48 | dprc | Nautilus: IIRC, default installer should come with GNOME for DE. DVD contains a much larger selection of packages (a huge chunk of the repo) not available on the standard installation CD. |
| 02:57.57 | DrDamnit | abrotman, dmesg shows nothing (related). syslog shows nothing related. ifdown eth0:1 is hung. |
| 02:58.02 | dvs | Nautilus: What medium are you going to use to install Debian? |
| 02:58.22 | Nautilus | just sorting that out, probably cd or dvd, into my vm? |
| 02:58.52 | dvs | Nautilus: VM? Don't those accept iso images? |
| 02:58.58 | dprc | Nautilus, use the CD image |
| 02:59.03 | Nautilus | do add'tl DEs take any resources besides disk space? |
| 02:59.19 | Nautilus | dvs: could be, I'll be finding out soon as I have an ISO :) |
| 02:59.40 | dprc | Nautilus, just storage unless they're being executed at a particular moment |
| 02:59.51 | Nautilus | cool |
| 02:59.55 | DrDamnit | abrotman, seem to be getting somewhere... http://paste.debian.net/176684/ Seems my ISP doesn't want to give me a new address? If this is the case, I should be able to calculate out the next IP up from the one they gave me on eth0, and manually configure. Right? |
| 03:00.04 | Nautilus | thanks guys |
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| 03:03.04 | dprc | Nautilus, sometimes they have services they bring along with them. GNOME has a few, KDE has a _lot_ of them. Is probably best to have different VM for playing with KDE |
| 03:04.27 | Nautilus | looking for lightweight, I'm thinking an install with mate & lxde |
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| 03:07.48 | Nautilus | looking at the debian (jessie?) logo, thought the channel would like this: http://imgur.com/4XLiDV2 |
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| 03:12.02 | DrDamnit | abrotman, I gave up on dhcp for ipv6. Clearly, my ISP is not giving / advertising. So, I tried manual... still no joy: http://paste.debian.net/176700/ :-( |
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| 03:13.40 | phix | ok so some services are not starting when running on systemd |
| 03:13.46 | phix | how can I debug this? |
| 03:14.17 | civillian | DrDamnit: that v6 address is already present on eth0 |
| 03:14.38 | DrDamnit | I changed the last digit from a to b. |
| 03:14.43 | DrDamnit | attempting to go up one. |
| 03:14.51 | Nautilus | can I move the .vbox file? |
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| 03:15.46 | DrDamnit | eth0 is 2601:0:9580:6000:21f:29ff:fe0b:11a/64 eth0:1 was supposed to be 2601:0:9580:6000:21f:29ff:fe0b:11b/64 (note the 'b' before the /64). |
| 03:16.07 | Nautilus | wrong channel ;) |
| 03:16.27 | civillian | DrDamnit: but your paste shows b on eth0 not eth0:1 |
| 03:16.37 | civillian | DrDamnit: under ifconfig |
| 03:18.04 | civillian | DrDamnit: and you're not running ifdown -a so ifup -a will only try to add the already existing address and fail probably |
| 03:18.13 | DrDamnit | civillian, line 46 is 11a. line 47 is 11b, but the rest of the address is different. |
| 03:19.03 | DrDamnit | civillian, compare lines 46 and 24. (I may be wrong... I'm the one with the issue). But I am pretty sure they are different. |
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| 03:19.27 | civillian | DrDamnit: if you have local console, try ifdown -a; ifup -a |
| 03:19.52 | DrDamnit | civillian, I can do that, but it will be a few minutes. I have to go down to the server room... |
| 03:19.53 | civillian | DrDamnit: that will deconfigure all interfaces and re-read /etc/interfaces |
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| 03:20.39 | DrDamnit | civillian, I decided to reboot it. Too lazy to go all the way down there. Of course, if it can't configure an interface, I may have to go there anyway. |
| 03:20.51 | phix | gang? |
| 03:20.53 | civillian | DrDamnit: your v4 access should remain |
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| 03:21.24 | phix | Any one else experiencing issues after upgrading from Wheezy to Jessie>? |
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| 03:22.24 | DrDamnit | civillian, rebooted. Came back up with the same addresses as before. |
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| 03:23.08 | mo1991reg | can anyone tell me a good replacement for update-notifier in jessie that will update in the xfce notifications panel? gnome-packagekit doesn't seem to show updates in xfce notification panel |
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| 03:24.06 | DrDamnit | civillian, no joy. |
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| 03:24.25 | DrDamnit | civillian, also tried ifdown -a && ifup -a. Still no joy. |
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| 03:24.41 | shay_shay | hai |
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| 03:25.34 | civillian | DrDamnit: let me try that on a test box |
| 03:25.49 | dprc | dpkg, tell phix -about ask |
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| 03:27.11 | phix | dprc? |
| 03:27.50 | phix | dprc: I have asked several times but no one is responding. I could ask again I guess, although doing the same thing and expecting a different outcome is well, you know |
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| 03:30.42 | shay_shay | insane |
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| 03:31.10 | shay_shay | ..or science |
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| 03:32.16 | dprc | phix, all i see is you "experiencing issues after upgrading" with no information; maybe your questions are bad |
| 03:32.23 | dvs | phix: One upgrade didn't install grub properly. That's it. |
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| 03:33.56 | DrDamnit | civillian, try to ping6 2601:0:9580:6000:21f:29ff:fe0b:11b |
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| 03:39.53 | ctmjr | it's ironic he get's kicked for excess flood but yet he is flooding the channel with join/quits |
| 03:39.59 | DrDamnit | Can anyone ping6 2601:0:9580:6000:21f:29ff:fe0b:11b ? |
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| 03:40.40 | mo1991reg | phix - what dpkg is saying is ask a question that is something someone might be able to answer specifically. "issues" could be many things. What "issues" are you haveing after update |
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| 03:49.56 | DrDamnit | civillian, Got the answer: http://is.gd/zefZHq |
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| 04:08.54 | phix | mo1991reg: I asked a specific question |
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| 04:09.33 | phix | regarding systemd |
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| 04:10.18 | mo1991reg | ya I saw that after I posted. You may want to mention specifically what services aren't starting properly, however |
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| 04:11.02 | phix | mo1991reg: lxc, cyrus and ssh that I have noticed |
| 04:11.26 | phix | I had issues with pam after upgrading, I had to revert to my previous config |
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| 04:14.35 | cheapie | I found a solution to my old problem with dd dumping the data into RAM and then taking forever to sync. For future reference, "oflag=dsync" seems to cause it to use more of a write-through behavior, solving my problem. |
| 04:14.50 | phix | mo1991reg: on and apache too |
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| 04:22.50 | mo1991reg | phix - sadly I am not of any help on the systemd stuff. hopefully someone else can help - like you it is totally new to me as I just updated to jessie. I did not have issues however. |
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| 04:23.47 | mo1991reg | Jessie has quite a few things in Jessie that are different from previous version and will take some getting used to it seems |
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| 04:27.06 | phix | mo1991reg: hmmm, what about apache? it is only listening on IPv6 not IPv4 |
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| 04:27.27 | phix | mo1991reg: SSL that is (443) |
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| 04:29.07 | karlpinc | phix: You might need to read the release notes and/or the readme.debian. |
| 04:29.14 | karlpinc | !tell phix about readme.debian |
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| 04:30.52 | gauri | hello everybody |
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| 04:31.11 | gauri | I am using debian 7 wheezy server |
| 04:31.27 | gauri | now I want to upgrade to 8 what should I do? |
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| 04:31.46 | gauri | wheezy to jessie through webmin is advisable or not ?? |
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| 04:32.17 | nkuttler | gauri: webmin is never recommended |
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| 04:32.31 | nkuttler | !tell gauri about wheezy->jessie |
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| 04:32.56 | gauri | Wheezy to latest server version Jessie |
| 04:33.05 | gauri | Wheezy is 7 and jessie is 8 |
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| 04:33.17 | nkuttler | gauri: check the bot's messages |
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| 04:33.39 | gauri | whats is bot |
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| 04:34.20 | gauri | I am normally using using webmin to manage the server |
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| 04:34.44 | nkuttler | !wheezy->jessie |
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| 04:35.00 | nkuttler | dpkg: test |
| 04:35.00 | dpkg | Test failed. |
| 04:35.08 | nkuttler | dpkg: wheezy->jessie |
| 04:35.08 | dpkg | Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> http://deb.li/ldcj . In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "wheezy" to "jessie". apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. 3rd party repos like <dmo> are known to cause problems with the upgrade. See also <jessie sysvinit>. |
| 04:35.11 | nkuttler | dpkg: webmin |
| 04:35.11 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives. |
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| 04:36.15 | gauri | ok so you mean I should go through CLI |
| 04:36.20 | nkuttler | yes |
| 04:36.22 | gauri | rather than using webmin |
| 04:36.28 | nkuttler | absolutely |
| 04:36.39 | gauri | right |
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| 04:37.11 | gauri | what things I should do before upgrade , |
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| 04:37.21 | nkuttler | gauri: read the release notes |
| 04:37.44 | nkuttler | dpkg: release notes |
| 04:37.45 | dpkg | Release notes for Debian 8 "Jessie" are at http://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/releasenotes . See also <wheezy->jessie>, <install guide>. |
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| 04:38.56 | gauri | right nkutller , SO wi Will first read the release notes and then touch the same on test server, and if everythings went smoothely then do it on production |
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| 04:41.58 | karlpinc | gauri: Good plan. Don't forget to include making backups (that will restore) in your plan. (Although I've never had a problem with an upgrade you never know.) |
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| 04:42.49 | gauri | This is a production server, I cant afford the Downtime, hence, so much precation am taking |
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| 04:46.02 | gauri | whats things I should backup |
| 04:46.09 | gauri | data is one of the most imprtant |
| 04:46.12 | psychocowboy | hi - how do i get that side panel thingy on gnome to appear when i move my mouse to the left of the screen? |
| 04:46.42 | psychocowboy | and then autohide when i move away? |
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| 04:46.58 | karlpinc | gauri: When I backup I backup the entire system. Everything but the boot loader that's installed onto the boot area of the disk. That way you can put the whole thing back just like it was. |
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| 04:47.35 | karlpinc | gauri: But remember, when backing up database content you first need to use the db tools to dump the db content to disk. |
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| 04:47.50 | karlpinc | gauri: (And it's not really a backup unless you've tested putting it all back.) |
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| 04:49.54 | karlpinc | gauri: You've got a year (from date of release) before wheezy goes out of support. (And there's experimental long-term support too for a longer period.) You don't really need to rush an upgrade -- although it never hurts to get things done. |
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| 05:06.23 | getglass | Hi there. I'm on Debian 7.8 and want to install dnsmasq... unfortunately I keep getting this: dnsmasq-base : Depends: libnetfilter-conntrack3 but it is not installable |
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| 05:06.41 | nkuttler | getglass: paste.debian.net the command + entire output |
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| 05:07.35 | getglass | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/3f27bac0/ |
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| 05:07.55 | getglass | (@ nkuttler ) |
| 05:08.02 | nkuttler | ,v libnetfilter-conntrack3 |
| 05:08.03 | judd | Package: libnetfilter-conntrack3 on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.0.101-1; wheezy: 1.0.1-1; sid: 1.0.4-1; jessie: 1.0.4-1; stretch: 1.0.4-1 |
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| 05:08.11 | nkuttler | ,v dnsmasq-base |
| 05:08.12 | judd | Package: dnsmasq-base on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.55-2; wheezy: 2.62-3+deb7u1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 2.62-3+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 2.62-3+deb7u3; jessie: 2.72-3; sid: 2.72-3.1; stretch: 2.72-3.1 |
| 05:08.23 | nkuttler | getglass: apt-cache policy libnetfilter-conntrack3 dnsmasq-base |
| 05:09.05 | getglass | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/e8353804/ |
| 05:09.09 | getglass | (@ nkuttler ) |
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| 05:09.51 | nkuttler | getglass: um. apt-cache policy |
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| 05:10.45 | getglass | nkuttler: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/aafe0909/ |
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| 05:11.21 | nkuttler | getglass: you don't have a source for the main repo |
| 05:11.24 | nkuttler | !sources.list |
| 05:11.24 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
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| 05:11.55 | getglass | nkuttler: huh? I installed straight from the CD and haven't touched my sources.. |
| 05:12.16 | nkuttler | yet you have done lots of pinning? |
| 05:12.18 | getglass | ...oh. :/ debops overwrote it |
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| 05:12.44 | getglass | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/6540eba2/ |
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| 05:13.17 | nkuttler | getglass: that looks about right. forgot to apt-get update? |
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| 05:13.30 | getglass | nkuttler: no... |
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| 05:13.48 | getglass | nkuttler: also I'm noticing it says wheezy-updates instead of wheezy/updates (which is what my bone stock Debian 7 box has) |
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| 05:14.08 | getglass | err, my bone stock box has both wheezy-updates and wheezy/updates |
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| 05:14.38 | nkuttler | getglass: as it should |
| 05:14.44 | getglass | okay... both have it and are for all intents and purposes identical... so what the heck |
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| 05:15.21 | nkuttler | getglass: well your apt-cache policy output disagrees with the sources.list you pasted |
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| 05:16.23 | gauri | so do u mean there is some thing wrong in the updates of Debian Wheezy |
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| 05:16.55 | nkuttler | getglass: you're ssh'd into that box directly? e.g. not using ansible to run the commands? |
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| 05:17.07 | getglass | nkuttler: I'm typing from that box in a GNOME3 shell |
| 05:17.16 | getglass | so yes :) directly running the commands in a terminal. |
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| 05:17.42 | nkuttler | getglass: apt-get update |
| 05:18.40 | gauri | I will work as Root |
| 05:18.48 | gauri | on debian server in CLI mode |
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| 05:19.39 | getglass | nkuttler: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/c1b4e9ad/ |
| 05:20.13 | nkuttler | getglass: try to install the pkg again |
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| 05:20.38 | getglass | nkuttler: WTF, it's working now? |
| 05:20.43 | nkuttler | magic! |
| 05:20.51 | getglass | I did apt-get update and apt-get upgrade like two times before I came in here >_> |
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| 05:21.42 | rue_house | I have a custom program I want to run on tty0 on bootup, but I cant understand the new init system |
| 05:21.47 | rue_house | help!? |
| 05:22.05 | rue_house | tty1 technically... |
| 05:22.32 | rue_house | what replaced inittab? |
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| 05:26.08 | shay_shay | rue_house: the first result when I searched Google for "systemd inittab" was very informative |
| 05:26.28 | rue_house | whats systemd |
| 05:26.45 | rue_house | I thought it was a kernel thread |
| 05:27.13 | nkuttler | !systemd |
| 05:27.13 | dpkg | systemd is a system and service manager for Linux, compatible with SysV and LSB init scripts. It is a replacement for <sysvinit>. systemd shipped as a technology preview in Debian 7 "Wheezy" and is the default init system in Debian 8 "Jessie". https://wiki.debian.org/systemd #debian-systemd on irc.oftc.net http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd #systemd on irc.freenode.net. See also <why systemd>. |
| 05:27.43 | rue_house | why was sysvinit replaced!? |
| 05:27.49 | nkuttler | !why systemd |
| 05:27.50 | dpkg | a tired argument. Start by reading rra's excellent analysis at https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2013/12/msg00234.html Support for other init systems (sysvinit) will still be present in Debian 8. systemd-shim (in development) will allow userspace requiring some systemd APIs to work without it. |
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| 05:28.25 | getglass | dpkg/nkuttler: but I'm outraged for no reason at all!one!e1eo1ne |
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| 05:29.58 | rue_house | wtf, so if I want to have a different program than getty run on tty1 I'm out of luck cause they didn't think of that? |
| 05:30.26 | getglass | rue_house: welcome to the future of Linux |
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| 05:31.12 | rue_house | this is bad for my automation process monitor |
| 05:31.22 | shay_shay | it can run a different program than Getty... what makes you think it can't? |
| 05:31.26 | shay_shay | obvious troll |
| 05:31.38 | rue_house | it says that it just auto starts getty |
| 05:31.42 | rue_house | I'm reading again... |
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| 05:36.04 | rue_house | this is not adding up to me |
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| 05:38.24 | rue_house | ln -sf /usr/lib/systemd/system/getty@.service /etc/systemd/system/getty.target.wants/getty@tty9.service |
| 05:38.35 | rue_house | there is no /usr/lib/systemd/system/getty@.service |
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| 05:39.50 | nyuszika7h | why not use "systemctl enable"? |
| 05:40.36 | rue_house | can I remove getty from tty1 and start up something else there? |
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| 05:42.52 | Zeranoe | Is it safe to run apt-get purge libreoffice* ? It seems to want to remove gnome... |
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| 05:49.15 | rue_house | heh |
| 05:49.31 | rue_house | welcome to the future |
| 05:50.00 | rue_house | before you know it, you wont be able to remove installation-report without losing the kernel |
| 05:50.19 | Zeranoe | rue_house: Are these meta packages? |
| 05:51.21 | rue_house | ask apt-cache |
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| 05:53.59 | amin | upgrading from wheezy to jessie. what causes this? https://paste.debian.net/176754/ |
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| 05:55.24 | rue_house | well, if you remove udev and plymouth the problem will probably go away. that said, it might not be worth the problems it causes |
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| 06:29.30 | _abc_ | Hello. New firefox 38 will come with DRM and the "advantage to be able to play videos with DRM without needing a plugin". Doh. I assume iceweasel coming with debian will NOT follow suit? |
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| 06:32.08 | anddam | _abc_: why wouldn't it? |
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| 06:41.37 | _abc_ | I am allowed to hope, right? DRM is undesirable out of principle alone, let alone practical concerns (non free Adobe code in the browser) |
| 06:42.16 | _abc_ | Additionally, the suits who think they run the net will eventually make browsers not having the "approved" plugin unplayable |
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| 07:04.15 | mo1991_ | can anyone tell me how to add a new key to dconfig editor. using the gsettings command? |
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| 07:12.41 | dutchfish | mo1991_, i am not ocmfortable with gnome, but i beliee it is done with the backend package https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/dconf-gsettings-backend |
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| 07:13.18 | dutchfish | mo1991_, or at least it can be done with that |
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| 07:14.04 | dutchfish | mo1991_, query for the syntax as explained by man gsettings |
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| 07:14.58 | mo1991_ | ya, I"m trying to use the gsettings command, which I believe does the same but having trouble with syntax |
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| 07:16.10 | dutchfish | mo1991_, also see https://developer.gnome.org/GSettings/ |
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| 07:16.43 | dutchfish | mo1991_, its a pitty i never did the drill myself for gnome |
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| 07:21.01 | dutchfish | mo1991_, have you tried browsing dconf-editor after you installed dconf-gsettings-backend ? |
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| 07:23.58 | mo1991_ | yes, the key I need there is not there. I"m trying to add a new key. in my case .org.gnome.metacity has some keys in it, but not the key I want. I need there to be a theme key, which has no entry |
| 07:24.27 | mo1991_ | can figure out how to add a new key using dconf editor. I dont' think i can. may be need to use dconf command itself |
| 07:25.16 | dutchfish | mo1991_, yes when the backend is installed you can add new keys with dconf for the gsettings |
| 07:25.26 | mo1991_ | basically, I can read and change key values, but cannot figure out how to create a new key value that doesn't exist |
| 07:25.38 | dutchfish | ah |
| 07:25.45 | mo1991_ | so how would I add the new key? |
| 07:26.14 | mo1991_ | I can't seem to figure out how to do it with dconf either. |
| 07:26.30 | dutchfish | mo1991_, a quick search revealed this http://askubuntu.com/questions/425730/how-to-add-a-key-to-an-empty-schema |
| 07:27.15 | dutchfish | mo1991_, seams gsettings set is your ticket |
| 07:27.18 | mo1991_ | I looked at that page already. I guess I don't understand the syntax, or what the path means |
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| 07:28.19 | mo1991_ | if I want to add a key, in my case ".org.gnome.metacity theme greybird" what would the command need |
| 07:29.01 | mo1991_ | gsettings set org.gnome.metacity theme greybird |
| 07:29.01 | mo1991_ | No such key 'theme' |
| 07:30.15 | mo1991_ | it's saying I don't have that key, I know I dont' have it - trying to create it. I think i just don't get the syntax and that ubuntu page isn't so good explaining. I need some type of path it seems but I don't know what that means? Path to what? |
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| 07:31.01 | psychocowboy | hi - how do i get that side panel thingy on gnome to appear when i move my mouse to the left of the screen? |
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| 07:31.56 | dutchfish | mo1991_, something like gconftool-2 --type=bool --set "path/myapp@x-custom/enable" "false" |
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| 07:32.41 | dutchfish | mo1991_, path to the xml |
| 07:32.57 | mo1991_ | that edits the gconf-editor rather than gconf-editor I believe |
| 07:33.10 | mo1991_ | sorry gconf rather than dconf editor. |
| 07:33.18 | mo1991_ | dconf-editor uses gsettings to change |
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| 07:34.04 | dutchfish | mo1991_, the fun part is when the backend is there it doesnt mather, the syntax for the keys do, for that see the manpage for the gsettings |
| 07:34.25 | dutchfish | mo1991_, its just a wrapper |
| 07:34.46 | mo1991_ | wrapper for dconf correct? |
| 07:35.20 | dutchfish | mo1991_, no, deconf has a backend (when installed) for gsettings, which is a wrapper |
| 07:35.25 | dutchfish | debconf* |
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| 07:35.45 | dutchfish | thats how i interprete it |
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| 07:36.30 | dutchfish | normally a valid xml is created for holding the porper keys and settings for the gsetting instructios |
| 07:36.37 | dutchfish | proper* |
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| 07:36.44 | dutchfish | sorry for all my typos |
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| 07:37.33 | mo1991_ | I guess that's where I need to put the path.. but where is the .xml file? |
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| 07:40.47 | dutchfish | mo1991_, obviously you need to create that yourself for the things you want in it |
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| 07:41.00 | dutchfish | mo1991_, your keys and values |
| 07:41.15 | dutchfish | mo1991_, or none if any |
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| 07:42.42 | dutchfish | mo1991_, depend on you application |
| 07:42.47 | dutchfish | your* |
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| 07:44.45 | dutchfish | mo1991_, some more examples https://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2008/01/10/gconftool-2-gconf-editor-from-the-shell/ |
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| 07:45.29 | dutchfish | mo1991_, 'path' in all this means virtual path of the dconf system |
| 07:45.58 | dutchfish | mo1991_, adding an xml needs of couse a real path |
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| 07:48.24 | dutchfish | mo1991_, interpreting is done by the gnome system, which hands it to the desktop menu system, settings for you application or even to the gconfig backend, which is what you want |
| 07:48.40 | dutchfish | (if the backend is installed) |
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| 07:49.09 | mo1991_ | my point is that the gconftool-2 edits the gconf registry not the dconf registry |
| 07:49.29 | dutchfish | nope, it works the other way around |
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| 07:50.00 | dutchfish | mo1991_, dconf wraps it up for the gconfig |
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| 07:50.26 | mo1991_ | ok. my point is gconf and dconf are different |
| 07:50.31 | dutchfish | yes |
| 07:50.46 | mo1991_ | and I"m trying to edit dconf "registry" rather than gconf |
| 07:50.52 | dutchfish | yes |
| 07:51.19 | mo1991_ | so I can't use the gconfitool-2 tool as it edits gconf rather than dconf |
| 07:51.28 | dutchfish | yes |
| 07:51.47 | dutchfish | so you use the backend and dconfig to aply your gconfig keys |
| 07:51.56 | mo1991_ | I know how to use dconftool-2 to add "new" key values to the registry |
| 07:52.01 | mo1991_ | the gconf registry |
| 07:52.02 | dutchfish | ok |
| 07:52.15 | mo1991_ | I don't know of any tool to add "new" keys to the dconf registry |
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| 07:53.07 | mo1991_ | or at least I don't understand why it's so different that gconf , gconf is easy to add new key. just use gconftool-2 as shown in many examples. dconf I can't find any working examples |
| 07:53.16 | mo1991_ | does that make sense |
| 07:53.17 | mo1991_ | ? |
| 07:53.17 | dutchfish | mo1991_, as i explained, 1 create and xml, that can be one without any keys, add it to the dconf system with --add, add keys if neccesary inside the dconf-editor |
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| 07:53.55 | dutchfish | yes that makes perfect sense |
| 07:54.25 | mo1991_ | ahh, so I need an actual xml file and to use the add command. meaning the dconf --add "path to xml file" |
| 07:54.35 | dutchfish | bingo |
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| 07:54.50 | kevr | =/ |
| 07:55.16 | mo1991_ | hmm. I don't see dconf having the -add option? |
| 07:55.31 | kevr | --add? |
| 07:55.40 | mo1991_ | but I get what your saying now. Let me do a little hunting now that I have a better grasp |
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| 07:56.34 | dutchfish | mo1991_, it is in here https://developer.gnome.org/GSettings/ |
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| 07:57.52 | Night_Elf | Is there a way for 'iptables -L' that with another option or with a suboption, to display the rules as a copy/paste-able command? It would be handy for long lists generated by different tools and directly in command line. |
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| 07:59.44 | kevr | is it not all just copy pastable? |
| 07:59.45 | dutchfish | Night_Elf, normally the 'save' option is used to store and later retrieve the settings, some firewall packages have this option however |
| 08:00.27 | dutchfish | Night_Elf, like /sbin/service iptables save |
| 08:00.39 | mo1991_ | dutchfish once I create the xml file, what command do I use to import it into the dconf registry so that gnome will see the new key? |
| 08:01.07 | dutchfish | mo1991_, see my former links, its in one of them |
| 08:01.11 | mo1991_ | I am looking at the page you linked but not getting how to import the xml file once you make it. I think the example |
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| 08:01.34 | mo1991_ | he is using is for making your own dconf registry in a project as opposed to changing the one gnome uses |
| 08:01.34 | kevr | --add? |
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| 08:01.39 | dutchfish | yes |
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| 08:02.50 | Night_Elf | dutchfish: I will use the file generated by the option then. |
| 08:03.16 | dutchfish | Night_Elf, http://linux.byexamples.com/archives/66/iptables-rules-can-be-easily-import-and-export/ |
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| 08:06.34 | mo1991_ | dconf --add org.gnome.metacity.gschema.xml |
| 08:06.43 | mo1991_ | unknown command --add. |
| 08:06.46 | mo1991_ | this is what I don't get |
| 08:07.06 | Fjorgynn | man dconf |
| 08:07.10 | mo1991_ | I"ve created the xml file. how do I add it to the dconf 'registry |
| 08:07.15 | dutchfish | mo1991_, i cant test this myself, as i said i have no gnome |
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| 08:08.25 | dutchfish | mo1991_, you use gconftool-2 to --add it |
| 08:08.49 | dutchfish | mo1991_, the backend will make it available in dconf-editor |
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| 08:09.10 | dutchfish | i hope my english is good enough |
| 08:09.25 | Fjorgynn | :D |
| 08:10.44 | rjsalts | Does https://gist.github.com/rjsalts/5af25138d4f4b24dff48 seem sane? |
| 08:12.41 | dutchfish | rjsalts, with lots of if's and things that can go wrong, why not use perl? |
| 08:13.19 | rjsalts | dutchfish: I am more practised with shell |
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| 08:13.30 | dutchfish | rjsalts, assuming bash is asking for trouble |
| 08:13.52 | rjsalts | dutchfish: It's why I'm using #!/bin/bash |
| 08:13.58 | dutchfish | rjsalts, consider /bin/sh and anticipate for the dash, ash, etc |
| 08:14.20 | dutchfish | rjsalts, if this is a one-off that would be fine |
| 08:14.46 | rjsalts | dutchfish: well, it's for a host that has /bin/bash |
| 08:15.02 | dutchfish | rjsalts, there are many bashes, not one ;) |
| 08:15.41 | dutchfish | rjsalts, the scipt should work, but it needs cleanup if things are missing and gracefully exitting |
| 08:15.56 | rjsalts | that's why I had set -e |
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| 08:16.07 | dutchfish | rjsalts, you would be better of with perl for this |
| 08:16.23 | rjsalts | probably, I was also thinking about ansible |
| 08:16.29 | dutchfish | rjsalts, but thats my own opnion only |
| 08:16.51 | dutchfish | rjsalts, anyhting that has strong typesetting will do |
| 08:17.19 | dutchfish | rjsalts, also think performance |
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| 08:18.58 | rjsalts | yeah, I suspect the performance to be awful ;) |
| 08:19.10 | rjsalts | yeah, I suspect the performance will be awful even |
| 08:19.48 | dutchfish | rjsalts, and also consider how secure you need it to be |
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| 08:20.35 | dutchfish | rjsalts, tricky with bash |
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| 08:22.00 | mo1991reg | dutchfish - thanks for your help. I got it figured out with the dconf --write command |
| 08:22.22 | rjsalts | yah, the temporary files are a bit of an achilles heal, but I think mktemp does the right thing there |
| 08:22.27 | mo1991reg | and got registry new key made. Didn't solve my problem but at least I learned something |
| 08:22.34 | dutchfish | mo1991reg, yw, and again sorry for my typos |
| 08:23.33 | mo1991reg | what I am trying to do is change the gtk-window-manager theme - I am using xfce 4.10 - and compiz 0.9.12 |
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| 08:23.44 | dutchfish | mo1991reg, ah |
| 08:23.48 | mo1991reg | standard gtk-window-decorator I mean |
| 08:24.14 | mo1991reg | I think compiz 0.8 used to use gconf and now uses dconf for 0.9 but there is little documentation on it |
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| 08:24.38 | dutchfish | mo1991reg, one more tip, if the man pages fail, get the source |
| 08:24.51 | AnarquistaLibre | Hello all, any other anarchists here? :D |
| 08:25.07 | mo1991reg | compiz 0.9 will eventually make its way back into debian - as someone has repackaged it and uploaded to alioth - that is the packages I'm using |
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| 08:25.21 | dutchfish | mo1991reg, nice |
| 08:25.42 | mo1991reg | it works fine, but I sure can't figure out how to change the gtk-window-decorator theme |
| 08:26.22 | mo1991reg | not a big deal really, but I used to be able to do it on 0.8 compiz. Anyway appreciate your help |
| 08:26.54 | dutchfish | yw |
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| 08:30.27 | AnarquistaLibre | Debian seems to be the only distro that cares about free culture, anyone know of any other distros that do? |
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| 08:32.15 | arunce | AnarquistaLibre: http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html |
| 08:32.40 | AnarquistaLibre | Free software isn't the same as free culture. The FSF only takes a stance of free software. |
| 08:32.58 | AnarquistaLibre | While Debian takes the same approach on basically everything else too. |
| 08:33.08 | AnarquistaLibre | on* |
| 08:33.09 | dutchfish | AnarquistaLibre, i am in love with Debian, but my next best (answering your question) would be http://www.gnewsense.org/ |
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| 08:33.41 | AnarquistaLibre | Still not a free culture distro as it doesn't comply to the DFSG. |
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| 08:37.41 | dutchfish | !debianlove |
| 08:37.41 | dpkg | [debianlove] the more I gain knowledge about Linux, the more I like Debian. Ask me about <why debian> too. For more information, see http://wiki.debian.org/ |
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| 08:40.01 | ryouma | AnarquistaLibre: what is free culture then? |
| 08:40.36 | AnarquistaLibre | Take the goals of free software but apply it to anything else, like books, music, film, documents, etc. |
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| 08:40.45 | AnarquistaLibre | That's free software in a nutshell. |
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| 08:41.00 | dutchfish | points his finger to #debian-offtopic to discuss things ruled out by the topic of this channel |
| 08:41.07 | t4nk813 | hi |
| 08:41.23 | t4nk813 | I use Ubuntu and I have a little problem |
| 08:42.06 | t4nk813 | I have 2 HDD (to simplify) and I have Windows on the first and Ubuntu on the second |
| 08:42.52 | t4nk813 | But when I remove the hdd which contains Ubuntu, I have a "No device found, grub rescue" |
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| 08:43.33 | t4nk813 | Is it possible to boot to Windows without the Ubuntu hdd ? |
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| 08:43.43 | ryouma | if you're going to ask how to get debian also, that's an interesting question. for ubuntu questions, maybe try an ubuntu channel? |
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| 08:44.33 | t4nk813 | OK, but it is a common problem, I think that I will have the same problem with Debian or another distribution |
| 08:44.49 | AnarquistaLibre | It's not really off topic as Debian goes by this standard, but I'll take it over there instead anyway. |
| 08:46.21 | coudy | hi, after upgrade to jessie, I have problem receiving snmp traps, here are my logs http://paste.jabbim.cz/6836 |
| 08:46.43 | coudy | snmptt and snmpd are running, but nothing is written to file |
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| 08:47.07 | fnstudio | hi, touching the touchpad resumes my laptop from suspend. expected behaviour was: only the power button resumes from suspend. anyway i can achieve that? |
| 08:48.33 | dutchfish | coudy, what has snpwalk revealed, are there any restrictions on rights, have you used the old schematics for the OID's or complie to the newer ones? |
| 08:48.46 | dutchfish | s/snpwalk/snmpwalk |
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| 08:49.58 | dutchfish | coudy, and there are changes to security for the remote clients |
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| 08:50.26 | coudy | dutchfish: snmpwalk is installed from repository, but I'm talking about receiving traps from other devices (routers, printers, switches). Traps are recieved (checked with tcpdump), but not written to log files |
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| 08:51.20 | CityLights1 | hi, I created a deb file with a postinst script |
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| 08:51.52 | CityLights1 | the lines systemctl enable <service> fail the script |
| 08:52.06 | CityLights1 | yet I run them fine from the shell |
| 08:52.14 | svetlana | what error message |
| 08:52.19 | dutchfish | coudy, so if i understand you correctly you use jessie to finger over snmp some appliances within the public domain, but not extra firewalling or exclusions atm? |
| 08:54.20 | dutchfish | coudy, or you just want to receive trap messages on the jessie invirenment from those appliances? |
| 08:54.26 | coudy | dutchfish: no, it is local network, I'm running zabbix on my debian server (jessie) and I setup snmp trap server, I'm receiving traps on this server from network devices |
| 08:54.33 | CityLights1 | wait, is postinst ran after coping the files? |
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| 08:54.41 | dutchfish | coudy, ok |
| 08:55.05 | dutchfish | coudy, have you checked iptables and correct network settings? |
| 08:55.31 | dutchfish | coudy, is this within a vm? |
| 08:56.46 | dutchfish | coudy, it seams to me, your setup is fine, but somehow the snmp traps are not coming in at all, due to poassible network errors |
| 08:57.47 | dutchfish | coudy, also, have you checked verbosity? |
| 08:57.50 | coudy | dutchfish: traps are received fine, checked with tcpdump, but they are not written to file |
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| 08:58.05 | dutchfish | ok |
| 08:58.28 | coudy | dutchfish: debug level is set to 2 in snmptt.ini |
| 08:58.34 | cityLights | svetlana: http://nopaste.linux-dev.org/?480384 |
| 08:59.09 | svetlana | ok, so it didn't find your file |
| 08:59.46 | nyuszika7h | so yesterday I upgradedto jessie |
| 08:59.46 | svetlana | if you can't figure it out, you have to give more details to the channel so that people can help you |
| 08:59.55 | svetlana | in one line please, nyuszika7h |
| 08:59.59 | nyuszika7h | sorry |
| 09:00.06 | dutchfish | coudy, Normal output is (or will be!) logged at a priority level of LOG_NOTICE |
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| 09:00.49 | CityLights1 | this is from my postinst script in a deb package |
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| 09:01.07 | CityLights1 | I copy a systemd service called cwvw, and in the postinst script I enable it |
| 09:01.09 | svetlana | yes, but i can't tell which file it was looking for and where without looking at the script |
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| 09:01.36 | nyuszika7h | so yesterday I upgraded to jessie, following the guide. I had to do "apt-get -f install" after dist-upgrade, seemingly that fixed things. then I rebooted. but it appears my Python 2.7 installation is broken and I noticed there are more packages to upgrade. >_> |
| 09:01.36 | CityLights1 | right, I have all this info |
| 09:01.54 | nyuszika7h | okay I think all is done now, apt gives me nothing else to upgrade. |
| 09:02.02 | svetlana | ok, no problem |
| 09:02.08 | svetlana | welcome to jessie |
| 09:02.13 | svetlana | reboot one more time to be sure |
| 09:02.17 | nyuszika7h | yeah, I will |
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| 09:02.47 | dutchfish | coudy, If you're logging to syslog via LOG_DAEMON (-Lsd), you could change it to e.g. LOG_DEBUG with -LSwd/-LS4d, or LOG_ERR with -LSed/-LS3d | just to see if anything is being parsed. |
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| 09:03.39 | dutchfish | coudy, (snmpd) |
| 09:04.42 | dutchfish | coudy, error not 4 but 7 |
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| 09:05.37 | dutchfish | coudy, DEBUG = 7 |
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| 09:14.52 | CityLights1 | svetlana: ok my orig.tar.gz was out of date |
| 09:15.50 | dutchfish | coudy, if nothing is reveiled i want to see your /etc/snmp/snmptrapd.conf (pastebin) |
| 09:16.00 | svetlana | is it working now? |
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| 09:18.17 | dutchfish | coudy, and if excistant your /etc/rsyslog.d/[xx]-mkeventd.conf also pastebin |
| 09:19.28 | coudy | dutchfish: changed in default/snmpd, but now I can't start snmpd service.. SNMPDOPTS='-LS7d -Lf /dev/null -u snmp -g snmp -I -smux -p /var/run/snmpd.pid' |
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| 09:20.56 | coudy | dutchfish: /etc/init.d/snmpd: 428: /lib/lsb/init-functions: cannot create /dev/null: No such device or address |
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| 09:22.41 | dutchfish | coudy, systemctl status snmpd ? |
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| 09:24.05 | nyuszika7h | I'm trying to compile Julia, but it's complaining about not finding some files [ http://termbin.com/12zs ] - the file is actually in /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/<gcc version>/ - there are multiple versions there [ http://termbin.com/frmt ] |
| 09:24.49 | anddam | I'd like to setup an hypervisor, should I prefer kvm or xen? Is vbox a competitor to those? |
| 09:24.55 | nyuszika7h | oh, the problem is that there is no 4.7 there |
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| 09:26.36 | Kippered | Is it possible to turn a "stable" installation into a "testing" version? |
| 09:26.45 | dutchfish | coudy, did snmpd ran before the change? |
| 09:27.02 | nyuszika7h | Kippered: the same way you upgrade to a new stable version |
| 09:27.26 | dutchfish | coudy, if not, i want to see your snmpd.service file |
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| 09:27.43 | nyuszika7h | Kippered: /msg dpkg jessie->stretch |
| 09:27.58 | coudy | dutchfish: here are config files and logs http://paste.jabbim.cz/6837 |
| 09:27.58 | Kippered | nyuszika7h: speak straight to me, please, i don't understand Yodaspeak |
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| 09:28.24 | nyuszika7h | it's not "Yodaspeak" |
| 09:28.27 | svetlana | !jessir->stretch |
| 09:28.29 | svetlana | !jessie->stretch |
| 09:28.39 | svetlana | !jessie->stretch |
| 09:28.43 | svetlana | come on |
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| 09:29.15 | Kippered | let me rephrase my question: Is it possible to turn an installation of the "stable" version into a "testing" version? |
| 09:29.16 | nyuszika7h | 11:27:36 <dpkg> First, understand that testing is a pre-release distribution without timely security support and that you will have a bumpy ride; ask me about <moving target> <testing> <testing security>. From /etc/apt/sources.list, remove stable-specific lines like jessie-updates and backports, and change jessie to stretch. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. If you feel you need more instructions, |
| 09:29.18 | nyuszika7h | perhaps you should wait a while. |
| 09:29.34 | nyuszika7h | Kippered: I understood your question, and told you what to ask dpkg, but here, I gave you the answer |
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| 09:29.52 | dutchfish | coudy, i suspect there is something wrong in the service file, i want to see your snmpd.service file (pastebin) |
| 09:30.08 | valdyn | svetlana: ! does not work in that case, dpkg: does |
| 09:30.24 | svetlana | dpkg: jessie->stretch |
| 09:30.24 | dpkg | First, understand that testing is a pre-release distribution without timely security support and that you will have a bumpy ride; ask me about <moving target> <testing> <testing security>. From /etc/apt/sources.list, remove stable-specific lines like jessie-updates and backports, and change jessie to stretch. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. If you feel you need more instructions, perhaps you should wait a while. |
| 09:30.33 | svetlana | Kippered: ^^^^^^ |
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| 09:32.15 | nyuszika7h | huh, there is an "apt edit-sources" command in jessie now? |
| 09:32.17 | dutchfish | coudy, this is how it should look like http://paste.debian.net/176844/ |
| 09:32.23 | coudy | dutchfish: my snmpd service file is in /run/systemd/generator.late/snmpd.service and paste is http://paste.jabbim.cz/6838 |
| 09:32.54 | nyuszika7h | it asks me for an editor, and doesn't list vim, just vim.basic and vim.tiny... |
| 09:32.56 | Kippered | there was "unstable", "testing", and "stable"; now there is "stretch" ... what is "stretch"? |
| 09:33.01 | nyuszika7h | why doesn't i just use $EDITOR? |
| 09:33.04 | nyuszika7h | Kippered: stretch is testing right now |
| 09:33.30 | nyuszika7h | you should use code names in sources.list because you don't want to upgrade to a new major version unpreapred |
| 09:33.33 | nyuszika7h | *unprepared |
| 09:33.46 | Kippered | you mean "stretch" is another toy name of "Toy Story"? |
| 09:33.48 | nyuszika7h | yes |
| 09:33.56 | Kippered | ah, 'k |
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| 09:34.04 | nyuszika7h | the current oldstable release is wheezy, stable is jessie, testing is scretch, and unstable is sid (that one is always called that) |
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| 09:34.14 | dutchfish | coudy, thanks, carefully look at the differences, this one i am using within jessie atm myself |
| 09:34.28 | Kippered | nyuszika7h: cool; thank you. |
| 09:35.21 | dutchfish | coudy, only the [service] part |
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| 09:36.35 | Kippered | svetlana: thanks |
| 09:36.37 | dutchfish | coudy, i gues it has been altered by zabbix, which i am not using |
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| 09:38.14 | tlund | after upgrading my xen vm from wheezy to jessie and rebooting, pygrub says "RuntimeError: Unable to find partition containing kernel". the vm is using grub2, during the upgrade i saw the 3.16 kernel get installed. any ideas on how to proceed? |
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| 09:38.43 | Kippered | Are the Live-CD versions downloadable with jigdo? |
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| 09:39.04 | coudy | dutchfish: used yours serivce file, still can't start http://paste.jabbim.cz/6839 |
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| 09:39.49 | dutchfish | coudy, do you have a stale pid file atm? |
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| 09:43.17 | dutchfish | coudy, systemctl stop snmpd | remove stale pid | systemctl enable snmpd | systemctl start snmpd |
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| 09:47.58 | g00se | Oops - blkid (blush) |
| 09:48.28 | dutchfish | g00se, fdisk -l ? |
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| 09:49.06 | coudy | dutchfish: ok, reinstalled snmpd, snmptt but still it useses /setc/init.d not systemd.service file .. anyway, now I can start service snmpd, |
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| 09:50.07 | superfast | hi |
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| 09:50.35 | dutchfish | coudy, that seams odd, i am not using init.d |
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| 09:50.58 | dutchfish | coudy, what debian version? |
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| 09:51.04 | coudy | dutchfish: lsb_release -a |
| 09:51.04 | coudy | No LSB modules are available. |
| 09:51.04 | coudy | Distributor ID: Debian |
| 09:51.04 | coudy | Description: Debian GNU/Linux 8.0 (jessie) |
| 09:51.04 | coudy | Release: 8.0 |
| 09:51.05 | coudy | Codename: jessie |
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| 09:51.20 | dutchfish | coudy, dont paste in here ;) |
| 09:51.48 | coudy | dutchfish: noticed :-) |
| 09:51.56 | BadCodSmell | Is there a recommended package for running vnc on :0? I would like something that avoids a lot of sysadmin. vnc packages out of the box normally spawn a new headless vnc session each time. |
| 09:52.35 | coudy | dutchfish: I'm going to launch.. we must rotate.. I'll write after 30min |
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| 09:52.52 | dutchfish | coudy, i am a bit baffled about that initd thing, i have to delve into that after the weekend, because the machine were i implemented snmp trap logging is not reachable from my home |
| 09:53.12 | dutchfish | coudy, bon change |
| 09:53.49 | BadCodSmell | I often set it up by hand but it's getting a bit tiring now to have to do this: http://www.karlrunge.com/x11vnc/ |
| 09:54.30 | BadCodSmell | And similar things, I'm hoping for something that I can just configure to attach to the main display automatically in etc without having to build my own init.d scripts, etc |
| 09:56.48 | anddam | I installed a Chrome apps on my LXDE Jessie, I see the lxde menu has a Chromium Apps folder with 3 of the 5 apps I installed. I guess the menu has to be rebuilt, is there a debian hook for that or should I check #openbox? |
| 09:56.50 | CityLights1 | svetlana: yep deb file is working fine |
| 09:57.22 | svetlana | cool |
| 09:57.43 | Kippered | why are the Live-CDs not put in .jigdo form? |
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| 09:58.03 | svetlana | wth is jigdo |
| 09:58.35 | jelly | Kippered: probably because they don't contain .deb packages in that form so it's of little use |
| 09:58.55 | valdyn | !jigdo |
| 09:58.55 | dpkg | Jigsaw Download (jigdo) is *the* method for downloading CD/DVD/BD images of Debian. See "Downloading Debian CD images with jigdo" at https://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ . https://wiki.debian.org/jigdo http://atterer.org/jigdo/ |
| 09:59.02 | anddam | nvm, update-menus |
| 09:59.09 | Kippered | i spent all this time learning about .jigdo, because all the hectoring in web page for us users to use jigdo . . . now it turns out the Live CDs are not jigdoed. I can't stand it when i get the runaround. |
| 10:00.09 | Kippered | LiveCDs don't contain .deb packages? wtf? |
| 10:00.25 | jelly | Kippered: correct, why would they? |
| 10:00.54 | Kippered | jelly: because .deb is the format of the distribution? |
| 10:00.54 | svetlana | jelly: some people have a habit of storing the installers on the same system. |
| 10:00.57 | jelly | they are installations ready-made for consumption |
| 10:00.59 | svetlana | oh, no. |
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| 10:01.23 | jelly | Kippered: do you keep .deb packages for everything you have installed on your system, forever? |
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| 10:01.42 | svetlana | Kippered: it's a packaging format, but after you install it, it puts the files to the correct locations. the process is called 'unpackaging'. the .deb is then removed. |
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| 10:01.55 | Kippered | jelly: don't think so. What i keep is .iso files. |
| 10:01.59 | jelly | Kippered: livecd images are meant to be useful, and as small a download as possible |
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| 10:02.34 | jelly | having .deb on them serves no purpose for a livecd. It's different for an installer. |
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| 10:03.48 | Kippered | But the LiveCD is also installable. |
| 10:03.51 | Kippered | no? |
| 10:04.20 | jelly | yes, but that's not its primary purpose |
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| 10:08.19 | Kippered | aight . . . here goes nothing . . . ahmma choose one desktop. How do y'all like Cinnamon? |
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| 10:09.07 | ShadowKatStudios | Cinnamon is somewhat heavy |
| 10:09.12 | ShadowKatStudios | not as bad as some of the others |
| 10:09.26 | ShadowKatStudios | but if you've got a machine to handle it, why not? |
| 10:10.18 | Kippered | hm, my machine is weak, not even 1GB of RAM |
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| 10:10.38 | Kippered | LXDE, perhaps? |
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| 10:12.14 | anddam | I see .desktop files in .local/share/applications are inserted into lxde menu but in different groups |
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| 10:13.34 | anddam | I don't get how those groups are generated tho |
| 10:14.30 | anddam | e.g. the apps from Chroem Web Store are in "Chromium Apps" while the app I manually created using Chrome's menu item and another .desktop app I downloaded are in "Other" |
| 10:15.01 | anddam | but I don't see reference to those two names in the .desktop, I figure there's another layer handling the folders and their content but I cannot find it |
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| 10:16.47 | svetlana | Kippered: one desktop, and use apps written *for* it. doesn't matter which you choose but if your favourite program is not written for it then please complain to its devs to write one more frontend for it. |
| 10:19.19 | Kippered | svetlana: cool. Firefox, GIMP, Vim . . . about all i need . . . what could go wrong? lol |
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| 10:20.10 | svetlana | Kippered: 'firefox' is on my list of programs written wrongly. it's written for a firefox/xml desktop (which is yet to emerge), NOT for cinnamon. I do not use it. |
| 10:20.37 | ledoktre | Greetings. Ive got one thats leaving me scratching my head. Course been staring at it for some time. I have two boxes. Both had openvswitch configued, but running debian 7.8. Box 1 I upgrade to jessie no problem. I reboot, system boots up fine and can get an address from dhcp but canât even ping my default gateway. On box 2, I thought maybe openvswitch was the issue and so I remarked all of it out of /etc/network/interfaces and set a static addr |
| 10:20.38 | ledoktre | and rebooted (no update to jessie). I canât get any network access there either. I know it seems dumb. But Im stuck. 5 in the morning and been staring at this since midnight. |
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| 10:21.12 | Kippered | svetlana: yes, ffox can be flaky. |
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| 10:21.26 | valdyn | ledoktre: reset your switch |
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| 10:21.40 | svetlana | Kippered: it's stable, it renders web pages, but its interface and its integration with the rest of the desktop are both not the best. |
| 10:21.52 | anddam | ah .local/share/desktop-directories |
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| 10:23.12 | valdyn | svetlana: which browser does it better for cinnamon (and works well of course) |
| 10:24.03 | ledoktre | valdyn: I am resetting my firewall now (Juniper). Will see what happens. |
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| 10:24.29 | svetlana | valdyn: I don't know. konqueror is there for kde, but I am not familiar with cinnmon (surprisingly, I don't know a single gtk browser) |
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| 10:27.02 | ledoktre | valdyn: no juice. still unable to access :-( |
| 10:27.35 | ledoktre | would there be any package messed up that allows dhcp to get a lease but cannot ping or let any other network trafic out? there is no rules in iptables either |
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| 10:29.51 | aboow | valdyn: maybe see this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_GTK%2B_applications#Web_browsers |
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| 10:30.47 | bstarek | flush iptables and retry |
| 10:31.06 | anddam | how does xdg-desktop-menu know it has to merge in all Chromium apps? I'm looking at ~/.config/menus/applications-merged/user-chrome-apps.menu that is auto generated but I don't get where the logic for that is |
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| 10:31.13 | RDash | ( ͡° ÍÊ Í¡Â°) |
| 10:31.17 | ledoktre | i will give that a shot once booted up again thanks |
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| 10:37.37 | Kippered | what's this ".zsync" file for? "cinnamon-desktop.iso.zsync" |
| 10:37.40 | ledoktre | bstarek - sorry, iptables flush didnât help |
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| 10:37.58 | ledoktre | still no network connectivity. i can get a dhcp lease but canât even ping the dhcp server. |
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| 10:38.22 | bstarek | how is your dhcp configured? |
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| 10:38.32 | bstarek | explain you network config |
| 10:39.10 | bstarek | are you sure about your gateway and dns? |
| 10:39.40 | bstarek | what are your IP adresses for each |
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| 10:40.04 | ledoktre | bstarek: typically Ive got a static address on both boxes. http://pastebin.com/kB1bwmgt |
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| 10:41.23 | ledoktre | bstarek - I am sure about the gateway and DNS. Literally one box got the jessie update, never came back online. the other box (i got wise! ;-) ) was reconfigured to just be a static address. lost connectivity. the one thing these two boxes have in common and outside of the norm here is openvswitch is installed and up until this problem, active |
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| 10:42.08 | ledoktre | was using each box as kvm hypervisor - using openvswitch on each box |
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| 10:43.16 | teraflop | anddam: take a look at the .desktop files, they are pretty descriptive, may be it picks the category as in e.g Categories=Qt;AudioVideo;Audio;AudioVideoEditing; or just take a look to other ones and pick the correct category from there |
| 10:44.03 | anddam | teraflop:I had already looked at those, my question was just because I couldn't find the association |
| 10:44.11 | bstarek | try nmap some addresses from dhcp |
| 10:44.22 | anddam | teraflop: also where are the categories listed? I cannot find those in xdg-utils or menu packages |
| 10:44.29 | teraflop | anddam: ah well you need to play with xdg-utils |
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| 10:45.08 | bstarek | nmap -sP 192.168.1.1-255 |
| 10:45.13 | bstarek | change it with our subnet |
| 10:45.21 | bstarek | see what you can ping or not |
| 10:45.32 | anddam | teraflop: the chrome-apps don't even have a Category setting, they have StartupWMClass (all different) and those get magically grouped in a desktop entry |
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| 10:48.04 | Aprendiz1234 | hi all |
| 10:48.56 | teraflop | Aprendiz1234: oh chrome apps, sorry i missed some lines then |
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| 10:49.25 | teraflop | sorry i meant anddam * |
| 10:49.43 | g00se | What would be a good way to find out if a remote user currently is logged into X? |
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| 10:49.59 | bstarek | g00se, w |
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| 10:50.24 | Aprendiz1234 | I have a problem. I had /dev/sda with data mount in a folder. Next some time I had to have multipath with /dev/sda and /dev/sdab. I have configured multipath, create lvm and all is working but the problem es when I want to mount the volumen I have created |
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| 10:50.45 | Aprendiz1234 | It is like I need to format again |
| 10:50.47 | bstarek | g00se, "w" in terminal |
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| 10:50.58 | Aprendiz1234 | but I don't want to loose the data |
| 10:51.06 | Aprendiz1234 | any idea for doing this? |
| 10:51.10 | viccuad | Guys, is there any way of deactivating gnome-keyring-daemon better than renaming the its /usr/bin entrance? It hijacks gpg-agent, and does not have smartcard support. thanks in advance |
| 10:51.15 | g00se | Yes. THanks |
| 10:51.29 | bstarek | np |
| 10:52.46 | Kippered | both the Debian website and the Live project web site don't say a word about the .zsync iles in the list of downloadable LiveCD links. Do I need to download such file? What's it for? |
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| 10:55.04 | teraflop | viccuad: simlink its autostart .desktop to /dev/null? |
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| 10:56.21 | viccuad | teraflop: that sounds more sane. Would it get rewritten with system upgrades? |
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| 10:57.03 | Kippered | dpkg: zsync |
| 10:57.03 | dpkg | [zsync] a file transfer program which uses the <rsync> algorithm. If a file's previous version is locally available, zsync downloads only the changed parts. http://zsync.moria.org.uk/ #zsync on irc.freenode.net. See also <jidgo>. |
| 10:57.27 | teraflop | viccuad: hmm, i think nope, but Im not sure |
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| 10:58.32 | teraflop | viccuad: perhaps if the .desktop itself is updated with a new version, just guessing |
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| 10:59.05 | viccuad | teraflop: yeah, that makes sense. I would want a gnome conf boolean to change it, though |
| 10:59.57 | teraflop | viccuad: anyway renaming a binary does not sound sane to me, heh |
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| 11:02.11 | Aprendiz1234 | anyone? |
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| 11:04.07 | teraflop | viccuad: all the .desktop file you want are in /etc/xdg/autostart/ you just ln -sf /dev/null /etc/xdg/autostart/whateveryouwant |
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| 11:04.22 | teraflop | files* |
| 11:04.36 | Kippered | If 2 .iso files will fit on a single DVD at burn time, can i burn them on the same disk? Or only 1 single .iso file can be burned per single disk? |
| 11:05.12 | coudy | dutchfish: Hi, Im back, could you pleas upload/post somewhere snmptrapd.service, snmpd.service and snmptt.service systemd files ? |
| 11:05.20 | teraflop | viccuad: e.g gnome-keyring-gpg.desktop |
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| 11:05.52 | viccuad | teraflop: thanks. I'm baffled that gnome-keyring-daemon is such half baked and it's the default on gnome systems. Even the gnome bugzilla does not tackle this problem |
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| 11:08.18 | teraflop | viccuad: well, I get pissed every time im in need of any documentation about gnome so good luck with that :) |
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| 11:10.49 | g00se | Any general ideas about printers with good Linux support - ink levels, good drivers, good quality etc? |
| 11:11.30 | Kippered | Aprendiz1234: don't start the LVM; copy the data to a CD; reboot; activate the LVM; mount the partition; format; copy the data wherever you want. |
| 11:11.54 | Kippered | g00se: HP have good Linux drivers. |
| 11:11.57 | valdyn | anything by hp and anything supporting ps should be ok |
| 11:12.07 | teraflop | yep hp |
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| 11:12.34 | Kippered | g00se: HP laserjets are good value for your money. |
| 11:13.01 | teraflop | also the scanning and wifi stuff works fine for me with the devices I tested |
| 11:13.05 | valdyn | but hp is probably among the more expensive options |
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| 11:13.31 | Kippered | No; HP is priced well. good deals can be found. |
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| 11:14.31 | Aprendiz1234 | Kippered: I need something online. I don't know if exist something in LVM in order to indicate that one pv has one file system type because contais one dev that has that fs. |
| 11:14.34 | Akuw | hi, i am trying to run brasero an got this from console ** (brasero:4208): WARNING **: Could not open X display |
| 11:14.39 | teraflop | valdyn: i personally prefer to pay a bit more, anyway it's me and my circuntances |
| 11:14.59 | Kippered | inkjets of any kind are a headache; the ink dries on the spigots if you don't use them for 7 days. That's unacceptable. Go with laser printer; toner never dries. |
| 11:15.06 | Akuw | when i clic on Brasero menu it doesn't open |
| 11:15.32 | valdyn | teraflop: of course (and I use hp), but its still among the most expensive options |
| 11:15.32 | teraflop | Akuw: as your user? |
| 11:15.48 | Akuw | teraflop: yes |
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| 11:16.00 | Kippered | teraflop: yes, better get a good printer. |
| 11:16.29 | teraflop | valdyn: yes, and youre right in your point |
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| 11:16.47 | Kippered | valdyn: HP is money well spent. |
| 11:17.28 | Kippered | valdyn: but read the comments of customers at hp.com ... some models are lemons. |
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| 11:17.59 | valdyn | g00se: ^^ |
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| 11:19.46 | mrAZ | hello, what channel is appropriate for HW problems with megasas? |
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| 11:22.01 | g00se | Yes HP seems a bit of a mixed bag |
| 11:22.01 | teraflop | Akuw: that sounds weird, what DE are you using? |
| 11:23.00 | g00se | valdyn: Sorry - not with you there. What were you indicating? |
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| 11:24.57 | teraflop | Akuw: if you do `xhost +` in a console and then try again (by command line) what happens? |
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| 11:25.55 | Akuw | teraflop: i just remove and install again, now i am burning, thanks |
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| 11:26.05 | teraflop | Akuw: ah good |
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| 11:27.50 | g00se | There's an odd one going on with this printer: it seems to print OK (i'm checking stuff remotely) but its device file seems to keep 'disappearing' (/dev/usb/lp0) |
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| 11:30.42 | Akuw | teraflop: i have to recover a system from rescue disk and install grub |
| 11:30.44 | teraflop | g00se: any dmesg spamm messages about the device being connecting and disconnecting? |
| 11:31.55 | teraflop | g00se: my cat like wires, that's the first thing I check |
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| 11:32.05 | g00se | Yes, it seems so. Flaky usb? udev probs? |
| 11:32.17 | teraflop | g00se: just guessing |
| 11:32.31 | teraflop | likes* |
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| 11:32.53 | teraflop | Akuw: you have to? |
| 11:32.54 | g00se | I got the user to plug it into a different port, but it's still looking a bit flaky |
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| 11:33.48 | g00se | >>May 14 12:07:06 d3100 kernel: [15019.104954] usblp0: removed<< |
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| 11:34.05 | g00se | Why - if it's still on and apparently functioning ok? |
| 11:34.06 | teraflop | g00se: only one time? |
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| 11:34.30 | teraflop | I mean the log message |
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| 11:35.18 | g00se | I saw that happen a couple of times but it seemed to continue working. It's actually the app mtink that bitches about missing or 'unavailable' device file |
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| 11:36.07 | teraflop | ah, I dont know what that mtink thing is |
| 11:36.39 | g00se | It's a utility for monitoring ink levels on Epson printers. Uses ttink |
| 11:36.52 | teraflop | g00se: good to know |
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| 11:38.23 | teraflop | i like that wifi printer service in the smartphones so you can just send whatever to the printer wirelessly |
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| 11:39.43 | viccuad | teraflop: better solution to the gnome-keyring-daemon, do the autostart on your home: http://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-users/2014-September/050812.html |
| 11:39.49 | Akuw | teraflop: once rescue boot i can install from dvd, but how? |
| 11:40.05 | g00se | Yes net printer much better. Also web ui. Slightly misinformed you: ttink is part of mtink - not other way around |
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| 11:40.40 | zoldyck_clone | is it ok to file a bug if I want a package backported? |
| 11:40.40 | teraflop | viccuad: ah, per user, it sounds even better, good point |
| 11:41.40 | teraflop | Akuw: yo want to install only grub? or reinstall the whole system? |
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| 11:43.26 | Akuw | only grub, i need to mount a raid and backup |
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| 11:45.01 | teraflop | Akuw: if grub, just follow the rescue instructions and pick the / partition, then if you have a sepparated /boot make sure it is mounted or mount it by yourself, check you have internet connectivity (if you need it) and install grub |
| 11:45.34 | Akuw | i don't have internet |
| 11:45.51 | teraflop | Akuw: but do you have the grub package in the cache? |
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| 11:46.00 | Akuw | i guess |
| 11:46.16 | teraflop | well |
| 11:46.23 | Kippered | How is Wayland coming along? Any war stories? |
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| 11:48.11 | teraflop | Akuw: also make sure grub get installed in all the hdd /boot of the raid |
| 11:48.59 | Akuw | that server have a SAS |
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| 11:50.16 | teraflop | Akuw: well I only do sw raid so i dont know |
| 11:50.42 | Akuw | ok |
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| 11:51.54 | Andril | hello |
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| 11:53.35 | abrotman | SAS isn't a raid technology |
| 11:53.37 | thom- | ip6tables v1.4.14: unknown option "--to-source" << Using same syntax as with ipv4tables but getting this error.. whats up? |
| 11:53.46 | abrotman | thom-: probably ask #netfilter |
| 11:53.54 | thom- | oki |
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| 12:03.49 | jelly | blackjack: it will keep having security updates for a year or so. |
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| 12:04.55 | blackjack | ok thanks |
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| 12:09.31 | tryfan | Anyone know if the wiki being 403'd sitewide is intentional? |
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| 12:14.06 | jelly | tryfan: works for me. |
| 12:14.26 | hay207 | hello guys, is there a debian package for SUSE Studio Image Writer? |
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| 12:15.29 | jonkri | Or should I turn Secure Boot off completely? |
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| 12:30.40 | vagn | hello all! Is this the right place to post questions about kerberos and nfsv4? All hosts are wheezy 64 bit at the moment. |
| 12:31.56 | coudy | dutchfish: hi, are you here ? |
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| 12:38.21 | Andril | is there a package for 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GK208 [GeForce GT 720] (rev a1) |
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| 12:39.01 | coudy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:41.36 | zoldyck_clone | Andril: yes, it's called nvidia-driver in non-free |
| 12:42.29 | tryfan | coudy: afaik, snmptrapd is required to be running to receive traps, snmptt is there to translate them |
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| 12:44.11 | g00se | Look at this abomination: can anyone simplify it? ls -r1t $camdir | xargs -d '\n' printf "\"${camdir}/%s\"\n" | xargs stat --printf="%y\t%n\n" |
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| 12:45.41 | Netaccess | Hi |
| 12:46.04 | Brigo | g00se, ask in #bash |
| 12:46.06 | Andril | zoldyck_clone, cool i will try it |
| 12:46.15 | Netaccess | hi guys |
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| 12:46.44 | Netaccess | how do i mount windows parttion from debian |
| 12:46.56 | g00se | Brigo: i _was_ going to but i thought some of you guys might like to look too ;) |
| 12:47.19 | Netaccess | i new to linux |
| 12:47.40 | Andril | zoldyck_clone, this is what i get http://pastebin.com/wpQ6DqzA |
| 12:48.18 | zoldyck_clone | Netaccess: kernel can work fine with NTFS as read-only by itself, for read-write install ntfs-3g (this works with fuse) |
| 12:49.39 | Netaccess | i have installed vmware and installed debian 5 and i want to see windows partition in linux |
| 12:49.57 | Netaccess | i cant see any partition in linux |
| 12:50.01 | jelly | debian 5?? |
| 12:50.02 | zoldyck_clone | Andril: I don't know why it says that. I never used Debian on desktop. |
| 12:50.10 | Netaccess | how do i mount windows partition |
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| 12:50.41 | Netaccess | i installed debian in vmware |
| 12:50.48 | jelly | Netaccess: which vmware product are you using? |
| 12:51.11 | Netaccess | vmware player 3.1 |
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| 13:25.25 | quarterback | Hello, anybody knows logrotate here? My server logs such as /var/log/auth.log are not being rotated and archived. I did configure logrotate for /var/log/auth.log in /etc/logrotate.d/rsyslog , somehow the file is not rotated and it is growing bigger every day at 70000 lines per day or 7MB. Can anybody look at my logrotate configuration and help regarding this? Thanks. |
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| 13:28.45 | Walex | quarterback: is 'logrotate' being run at all? |
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| 13:29.08 | quarterback | walex: Yes, logrotate is able to rotate other logs except kern.log |
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| 13:31.04 | nbt | quarterback: could you pastebin your /etc/logrotate.d/rsyslog? |
| 13:31.23 | quarterback | nbt: Yes, brb |
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| 13:36.56 | anddam | teraflop: well three of the desktop files happen to be chrome-apps but that's not the point, the point is why the first desktop file at https://gist.github.com/anddam/824e1881acad8b63b008 doesn't have a category yet it get lumped with other chrome apps in the auto-generated menu file |
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| 13:56.21 | quarterback | nbt, walex : Here is /etc/logrotate.d/rsyslog for rotating /var/log/auth.log http://pastebin.com/D6vqz4bv |
| 13:58.40 | jelly | stupid question: how do I get numeric value form from a symbolic OID name for snmp? |
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| 14:01.18 | tryfan | jelly: snmpwalk -On if memory serves |
| 14:02.15 | jelly | tryfan: good enough, thanks |
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| 14:05.25 | nbt | quarterback: it's probably because you don't have the postrotate entry in the config section for auth.log |
| 14:05.49 | nbt | you should add the 3 lines under sharedscripts like in the section below |
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| 14:07.58 | quarterback | nbt: What should be the postrotate entry or script to write there? |
| 14:08.32 | nbt | quarterback: the same as in the other sections |
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| 14:08.36 | nbt | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:08.38 | nbt | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:08.39 | nbt | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:09.09 | quarterback | nbt: That script is being used for other logs, so shoud I just write scriptsshared? |
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| 14:10.27 | quarterback | nbt: It seems like sharedscripts is a line which should be added because this service rsyslog writes to several logs, I believe that the sevices stops when logs are being rotated. |
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| 14:11.33 | quarterback | nbt: so, is it enough that postrotate script is written only for one log which is controlled by rsyslog or for all logs ? |
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| 14:18.58 | nbt | quarterback: this is what mine looks like http://termbin.com/x6jp |
| 14:19.13 | nbt | that's the debian default one afaik |
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| 14:19.58 | nbt | I would suggest you just make it like that, unless there's a specific reason you want different settings for some logs |
| 14:20.33 | quarterback | nbt: You didn't rotate /var/log/auth.log or is it automatically rotated because of rsyslog.conf defined somewhere? |
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| 14:20.47 | nbt | yes, auth.log is rotated |
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| 14:21.07 | quarterback | nbt: Hmm,I will add the line you suggested and see what happens. |
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| 14:22.03 | didzan | Hello all. Any help with pcDuino, can I install a Debian in a pcDuino? Where can I find something helpful about it? |
| 14:22.25 | quarterback | Anybody enabled fail2ban for iptables multiport? |
| 14:22.28 | Eduard_Munteanu | I'm trying to boot vmlinuz from Compute Stick's EFI shell, but it won't recognize vmlinuz as a command, even though autocomplete works. |
| 14:22.32 | Eduard_Munteanu | Any idea why? |
| 14:23.13 | anddam | Eduard_Munteanu: wow that's nice |
| 14:23.25 | anddam | Eduard_Munteanu: why should it recognize vmlinuz as command? |
| 14:23.39 | anddam | Eduard_Munteanu: I ask as I've been playing all day in UEFI |
| 14:23.49 | Eduard_Munteanu | anddam, as far as I can tell, you're supposed to run vmlinuz and pass it arguments |
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| 14:24.06 | Eduard_Munteanu | How else would you boot it? |
| 14:24.12 | anddam | Eduard_Munteanu:to answer your question I guess EFI shell won't recognize vmlinuz as command because it's not a PE |
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| 14:24.24 | anddam | Eduard_Munteanu: you need an EFI boot loader |
| 14:24.28 | didzan | Hello all. Any help with pcDuino, can I install a Debian in a pcDuino? Where can I find something helpful about it? |
| 14:24.35 | Eduard_Munteanu | anddam, Aren't Jessie kernels built with EFISTUB? |
| 14:24.50 | anddam | Eduard_Munteanu: honestly. idk |
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| 14:25.44 | anddam | Eduard_Munteanu: https://wiki.debian.org/EFIStub says you're right |
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| 14:26.46 | rozie | didzan: (looks like) yes. try searching for "pcduino debian" |
| 14:26.53 | Eduard_Munteanu | Hm, maybe I do need to add it under EFI/something/ |
| 14:27.36 | anddam | wiki says so but I guess once the image is in ESP it doesn't matter |
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| 14:27.52 | anddam | Eduard_Munteanu: can you details your steps? |
| 14:27.56 | anddam | detail* |
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| 14:28.31 | rozie | didzan: it's A10/A20, so nothing fancy |
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| 14:29.35 | didzan | rozie: thank you rozie, I found an image but I don't know how to install. It's a rare way to install ubuntu! Excuse my english, please. |
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| 14:29.36 | Eduard_Munteanu | anddam, I debootstrapped Jessie, created the FAT32 ESP and copied the kernel and initramfs on it. Then I booted into EFI shell, and the files were indeed there on fs0. Then I did "fs0:" and "\vmlinuz initrd=\initrd" and got that error. |
| 14:30.09 | anddam | why the leading backslash? |
| 14:30.19 | Eduard_Munteanu | anddam, tried without as well |
| 14:31.01 | anddam | just to be sure, you're in the dir with the vmlinuz file |
| 14:31.03 | anddam | right? |
| 14:31.10 | shay_shay | why not try the exact syntax and locations as shown on the wiki for efi stub? |
| 14:31.14 | Eduard_Munteanu | anddam, yep... even tab-completion on vmlinuz works |
| 14:31.29 | anddam | shay_shay: well looks like a minor detail once you're manually typing it |
| 14:31.29 | shay_shay | I followed the wiki exactly and it worked |
| 14:31.35 | Eduard_Munteanu | shay_shay, yeah, I'm moving stuff to EFI/something/ |
| 14:31.41 | shay_shay | ^ |
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| 14:32.13 | anddam | shay_shay: counter-proof would be you moving files to the ESP root and it not working as result |
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| 14:32.45 | shay_shay | anddam: well I would have to write to nvram again |
| 14:33.12 | anddam | shay_shay: btw since we're at it, any idea why my EFI shell isn't storing path variable? |
| 14:33.16 | ledufakademy | hello |
| 14:33.23 | shay_shay | anddam: I don't know that it won't work in the ESP root, but I never see anyone doing that by example |
| 14:33.24 | anddam | I can set persistent variables but path eludes me and on reboot it's empty |
| 14:33.33 | quarterback | nbt: Do I restart logrotate after modifying rsyslog? |
| 14:33.59 | anddam | shay_shay: well, by that reasoning it won't work in a \\EFI\debian-foo\ path as well |
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| 14:34.13 | shay_shay | why not? |
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| 14:34.24 | anddam | because you've never seen anyone using that specific path |
| 14:34.32 | darthanubis | easytag: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libtag.so.1: unexpected reloc type 0x00800006 |
| 14:34.41 | shay_shay | anddam: you're twisting my words |
| 14:34.44 | darthanubis | can anyone reproduce? |
| 14:34.52 | anddam | shay_shay: maybe I got it wrong |
| 14:34.57 | darthanubis | just install easytag, and try to run from cmdline |
| 14:34.58 | anddam | shay_shay: any idea about the nvram thing? |
| 14:35.17 | anddam | shay_shay: I deleted the existing path variable and since I'm not able to set it |
| 14:35.42 | ledufakademy | i have change from ati card to nvidia 8400gs : i'm not sure of how install new driver, when i launch teeworld it's seem that 3d is not enable ... have you any idea |
| 14:35.43 | anddam | I can set "mypath" (or any other variable) and it is persistent between reboots |
| 14:36.38 | sydney_untangle | dpkg: pastebin |
| 14:36.39 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 14:36.44 | sydney_untangle | FOr me. |
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| 14:37.58 | sydney_untangle | Anyone know how to use the -c option in nopaste with a bot? |
| 14:38.13 | sydney_untangle | Its offtopic, i know. |
| 14:38.20 | sydney_untangle | Maybei should move to offtopic. |
| 14:38.33 | anddam | Eduard_Munteanu: http://gizmodo.com/intel-compute-stick-review-don-t-buy-it-1699377058 isn't too kind with the review, what's your impression? |
| 14:39.53 | nbt | quarterback: no |
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| 14:42.10 | Eduard_Munteanu | anddam, I'm not using it for that purpose, but as an automated media player |
| 14:42.28 | Eduard_Munteanu | anddam, the Linux variant too |
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| 14:43.53 | darthanubis | clementine: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libtag.so.1: unexpected reloc type 0x00800006 |
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| 14:44.05 | Eduard_Munteanu | anddam, to be fair, it could be underpowered for Win8.1 |
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| 14:44.11 | darthanubis | looks like libtag is broken some how |
| 14:44.17 | Eduard_Munteanu | At least if you expect it to be just like a desktop computer. |
| 14:44.26 | Eduard_Munteanu | (which it isn't, of course) |
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| 15:06.38 | Eduard_Munteanu | Turns out vmlinuz needed to have a .efi extension to be runnable. |
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| 15:07.16 | Eduard_Munteanu | How do you make a drive bootable without adding a menu entry or using the shell, though? |
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| 15:12.57 | anddam | ah, classic MSDOS |
| 15:13.19 | anddam | the shell was inferring the type by the extension |
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| 15:13.55 | shay_shay | anddam: I re-read the rodsbooks.com page on efi stubs, I haven't discovered anything useful though. it's a good read though: http://www.rodsbooks.com/efi-bootloaders/efistub.html |
| 15:14.19 | anddam | AFAICT the shell is just an EFI executable (a PE) as requested by UEFI compliancy, in particular it's mimicing MSDOS' shell |
| 15:14.33 | anddam | shay_shay: I'll put that in line |
| 15:14.42 | anddam | teraflop: see, that happyassassin page was useful |
| 15:14.49 | anddam | shay_shay: any hint about my nvram issue? |
| 15:14.53 | shay_shay | pretty much anything you'll ever need to know about boot loaders is on this guys website, he's the author of gdisk and refind |
| 15:15.44 | anddam | Eduard_Munteanu: to make a drive bootable you just need to create a GPT partition, mark it is "EFI FAT Partition"and copy a boot loader in it |
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| 15:16.03 | anddam | and write nvram variables so the firmware knows what to boot |
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| 15:16.15 | shay_shay | anddam: I plan on making a virtual machine later so I can refresh my memory, they have a standard efi shell |
| 15:16.37 | anddam | I don't know about the details of that those, and my firmware in particular is behaving odd |
| 15:16.38 | Eduard_Munteanu | anddam, and how do I do it without without messing with the NVRAM, e.g. making bootable media that works on any UEFI machine? |
| 15:16.48 | anddam | you use fallback path |
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| 15:17.08 | shay_shay | I like to test in the VM first so I can differentiate between things I'm doing wrong and things my motherboards implementation does wrong |
| 15:17.18 | anddam | IIRC \\EFI\boot\boot{your arch}.efi |
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| 15:17.45 | Eduard_Munteanu | anddam, oh, ok... does that have to be an executable, or can it be a script? I'm trying to avoid adding a bootloader. |
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| 15:18.07 | anddam | shay_shay: ah I remember that rodsbook page from the time I first met UEFI on Mac and I rmember understanding absolutely nothing back then |
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| 15:18.50 | anddam | Eduard_Munteanu: AFAIK it has to be an EFI application |
| 15:19.09 | anddam | Eduard_Munteanu: any script has to resolve to some binary in the end |
| 15:19.23 | anddam | mmm no I misphrased that |
| 15:19.37 | Eduard_Munteanu | I mean .nsh scripts, assuming those are standard-ish. |
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| 15:20.36 | anddam | those are msdos-ish, but in the end a script should call an EFI application |
| 15:20.37 | shay_shay | anddam: yeah I learned how to do this on a Mac, I managed to install mactelboot (from fedora) on Debian and put Debian kernel in a HFS+ ESP and get Mac firmware to "bless" the Debian kernel as if it was an osx one |
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| 15:20.48 | shay_shay | which sped up booting tremendously |
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| 15:21.08 | anddam | oh good old blessing, I remember playing with debppc |
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| 15:21.29 | DexterF | hi |
| 15:21.45 | anddam | is there a shortcut for reading .pdf.gz in /usr/share/doc other than expanding those? |
| 15:21.51 | Eduard_Munteanu | anddam, oh sure, it will call my vmlinuz.efi |
| 15:22.02 | anddam | or better, is there a PDF viewer that transparently handles gzip? |
| 15:22.22 | anddam | Eduard_Munteanu: I don't know if the default fallback can be a script tho' |
| 15:22.24 | Eduard_Munteanu | anddam, evince, at least for .ps.gz, IIRC |
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| 15:22.35 | DexterF | installed spotify on deb7, does not run, complains about libcef missing. no package has libcef. what's that anyway? |
| 15:22.46 | anddam | Eduard_Munteanu: I've been shown https://www.happyassassin.net/2014/01/25/uefi-boot-how-does-that-actually-work-then/ yesterday, great reading |
| 15:22.59 | Eduard_Munteanu | Thanks, I'll have a look. |
| 15:23.27 | anddam | Eduard_Munteanu: oh jeez I hate that |
| 15:23.41 | anddam | it's the GNOME thingy, those override the Xorg wheel inputs |
| 15:24.09 | anddam | and since I have natural scrolling set it behaves the opposite of what I expect |
| 15:24.29 | anddam | I mean that's what I'm already using, I didn't know it's called evince |
| 15:24.35 | DexterF | chromium embedded framework says the interblog. no package in any debian. the src then.. |
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| 15:31.15 | shay_shay | methinks natural scrolling is for multitouch mice and trackpads only |
| 15:31.18 | shay_shay | :P |
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| 15:34.52 | anddam | shay_shay: yea but once you get used (and after 15 years of computers it literally took only days) even the mouse scroll has to go that way or it seems odd |
| 15:35.01 | anddam | no, it _feels_ wrong |
| 15:35.08 | shay_shay | I can instantly switch between a touch mouse with natural scrolling and a wheel with traditional scrolling but if you handed me any other combination I would say wtf |
| 15:35.27 | shay_shay | because in my mind the wheel is rolling on the screen |
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| 15:35.29 | anddam | GNOME ofc argues with the user |
| 15:35.46 | shay_shay | so pushing it up makes the screen move downward |
| 15:36.08 | shay_shay | whereas the touch mouse is like touching the screen directly |
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| 15:42.13 | JyZyXEL | after upgrading to jessie my box doesn't get internet access anymore |
| 15:42.35 | JyZyXEL | the devices names have went full retard, there is eth0, eth2, eth4 and something called "rename4" |
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| 15:42.53 | JyZyXEL | they are totally wrong and not according to /etc/udec/rules.d/70-....whatever |
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| 15:44.03 | JyZyXEL | Chapter 5 said nothing about ethernet devices names getting mangled |
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| 15:54.19 | yids | hello |
| 15:54.36 | polyphagia | hi |
| 15:54.48 | yids | I downloaded the image from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/8.0.0/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 15:54.56 | yids | and the mdsums and mdsums signature |
| 15:55.28 | yids | but when I try to verify it with |
| 15:55.29 | yids | gpg --no-default-keyring --keyring /usr/share/keyrings/debian-keyring.gpg --verify iso/debian/MD5SUMS.sign iso/debian/MD5SUMS |
| 15:55.35 | yids | it tells me no public keys are found |
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| 15:56.15 | yids | and indeed the key with id 0xDA87E80D6294BE9B doesnt seem to be in the debian keyring |
| 15:56.55 | yids | I also imported this key and tried to find the keys from those who signed it in the debian-keyring without succes |
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| 15:59.46 | nbt | yids: gpg --keyserver pgpkeys.mit.edu --recv-key DA87E80D6294BE9B |
| 16:00.30 | yids | yes I did that |
| 16:00.57 | yids | but I want to check if this key is signed by any of the people on the debian-keyring |
| 16:01.04 | yids | and that is not the case |
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| 16:01.34 | yids | it is signed by a bunch of people, but none that are in the debian keyring |
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| 16:16.36 | nbt | yids: so now do gpg --verify iso/debian/MD5SUMS.sign iso/debian/MD5SUMS |
| 16:16.49 | nbt | it should output Good signature from "Debian CD signing key <debian-cd@lists.debian.org>" |
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| 16:23.39 | yids | nbt, but this key should be in the debian keyring right? |
| 16:23.55 | nbt | yids: I don't know |
| 16:24.07 | yids | I mean now I downloaded the key but there is no way of proving that its the right key |
| 16:24.41 | yids | (actually I kept digging for signatures and found that the ones who had signed the key first are in the debian keyring) |
| 16:24.45 | yids | but |
| 16:24.57 | yids | the key itself should be in there |
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| 16:41.38 | nbt | yids: it looks like that cd signing key is in debian-role-keys.gpg and not debian-keyring.gpg |
| 16:43.25 | Andril | i removed sda to install debian on sdb, now that i have it installed can i attach sda without issues? |
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| 16:44.48 | shay_shay | debian uses persistent device naming via UUID |
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| 16:44.52 | ledoktre | 2 |
| 16:44.53 | shay_shay | so yes, Andril |
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| 16:45.37 | Andril | cool - here goes something - thanks shay_shay |
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| 16:47.51 | ledoktre | greets. anyone in here use openvswitch? |
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| 16:54.50 | ledoktre | or better yet is there a decent way to have one ethernet adapter (such as a tap device) dependent on eth0 before it starts - it waits until eth0 is up? |
| 16:56.45 | yids | nbt, hm guess that should be mentioned on https://www.debian.org/CD/verify |
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| 17:01.05 | Andril | shay_shay, i tried to boot to the drive via f12 and only debian boots is there a way to update drub? |
| 17:01.14 | Andril | *grub |
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| 17:15.17 | brah | !stretch |
| 17:15.18 | dpkg | The release following Debian 8 "Jessie" is codenamed "Stretch" (the rubber octopus in Toy Story 3) and will be Debian 9: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2014/11/msg00005.html. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStretch |
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| 17:15.50 | brah | Oh. I didn't watch Toy Story 3. |
| 17:17.07 | brah | Is stretch/testing receiving updates? |
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| 17:30.38 | shay_shay | brah: all the time, its rolling right now |
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| 17:31.06 | JyZyXEL | backuppc breaks when upgrading from wheezy -> jessie |
| 17:31.13 | JyZyXEL | "The requested URL /backuppc was not found on this server." |
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| 17:35.38 | kruug | how can I install a specific nVidia kernel module? |
| 17:35.43 | JyZyXEL | needed to manually run sudo a2enconf backuppc |
| 17:36.03 | brah | shay_shay: Is my sources.list correct? http://pastebin.ca/3002812 |
| 17:36.31 | kruug | I want to uninstall 340.65 and install 319.37 |
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| 17:46.32 | valdyn | !sdn |
| 17:46.32 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces snapshot.debian.net. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
| 17:46.51 | valdyn | kruug: you could try finding a package there ^^. But this is not supported by debian anyway. |
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| 17:50.50 | kruug | valdyn: well, it was in the repos when 7 was `stable` |
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| 17:53.00 | SmashingX | Is there a way, from the command line, that I can specify a window to close in the GUI? I can't just kill the process, since LibreOffice shares a single pid for all its windows. |
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| 17:59.28 | SmashingX | when I run startx, the result is: |
| 17:59.29 | SmashingX | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:02.47 | shay_shay | brah: if you don't get any errors when doing "apt-get update" then I would say yes, however it is better to track specific release names e.g. stretch than testing |
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| 18:04.12 | gaganjyot | Hey team, when can I expect gnome 3.16 in unstable? |
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| 18:04.24 | gaganjyot | waiting from quite long for it :p |
| 18:04.59 | brah | shay_shay: Yeah I was on stretch but wasn't getting any updates really, so I changed it to testing now and still am not getting any. |
| 18:05.08 | towo_nb | gaganjyot, maybe when it's ready? |
| 18:05.13 | brah | Some packages a couple days ago, nothing major. |
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| 18:24.20 | shay_shay | brah: yeah well stretch just started so its going to be accordion-like for a few weeks |
| 18:24.26 | shay_shay | you're in the lull |
| 18:24.38 | careta | hey guys, how do I debug a non working initramfs? |
| 18:24.42 | careta | any tips? |
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| 18:27.23 | abrotman | careta: how not working? |
| 18:27.51 | careta | abrotman, gives up trying to find my root fs. I built my kernel image using the make-kpkg, as I have been doing for years |
| 18:28.05 | abrotman | careta: so what changed? |
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| 18:28.32 | careta | abrotman, I have no idea. The last time I was able to build an image was it kernel 3.17. I tried with 3.19, gave up and now tried with 4.0 and still can't do it |
| 18:28.48 | careta | apart from make oldconfig, I have no idea what changed |
| 18:28.55 | careta | there was the squeeze upgrade in the meantime, so maybe that? |
| 18:29.28 | abrotman | maybe you should try a new config? |
| 18:29.44 | careta | I'm using the vanilla kernel with the grsec patch on top of it. I take a standard Arch or Debian config for the target kernel and tweak it a bit, again with the same stuff I've been doing for years |
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| 18:30.00 | careta | abrotman, sure but I have no idea where to start... |
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| 18:30.09 | careta | I'm sure it's something really stupid |
| 18:30.23 | careta | i'll start by removing the grsec patch then, though I'm almost sure it's not that |
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| 18:33.52 | careta | abrotman, is the --initrd option still needed when using make-kpkg? |
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| 18:55.24 | delaaaa | Is there any way to allow me to revert back after I typo and rm something I don't want to? |
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| 18:55.48 | delaaaa | like maybe a user that can't rm, but can do rm and move something to a trash folder |
| 18:55.53 | Grizzly | hi, how can I check if php is working properly on my apache2 web server on debian ? |
| 18:55.59 | greycat | If it's a data file, restore it from your most recent backup. If it's part of a standard package, reinstall the package. |
| 18:56.01 | nick12345 | hello, does anybody here know how to make i3wm use the screen size dictated by an application? |
| 18:56.05 | delaaaa | alias add rm mv trash :P |
| 18:56.20 | greycat | delaaaa: No, do NOT do that. |
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| 18:56.42 | greycat | If you want a "trash" alias, name it "trash" or "del" or ANYTHING other than rm. Do not teach yourself that rm is reversible, because it is not. |
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| 18:57.05 | greycat | If you get in the habit of sloppy rm'ing, you'll eventually do it on a system that doesn't have your alias, and then you're hosed. |
| 18:57.34 | delaaaa | greycat: good call. So create a trash alias and eventually rm -r trash? |
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| 18:57.57 | greycat | Some people do that. I don't personally recommend it, but it's your computer. |
| 18:58.05 | nick12345 | cant you just use data recovery? |
| 18:58.16 | delaaaa | nick12345: thats a pain, but yes |
| 18:58.21 | delaaaa | greycat: any reason not? |
| 18:58.33 | greycat | It's better to make good, regular backups and learn safe habits. |
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| 18:58.45 | nick12345 | delaaaa, yes. you will get used to it and use it on a machine on which it is irreversable |
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| 18:59.10 | delaaaa | yeah, daily backups are a good option too |
| 18:59.41 | greycat | I do weekly on my personal stuff. |
| 19:00.19 | delaaaa | yeah, no reason to backup anything except /home IMO |
| 19:00.33 | greycat | /etc is good to back up as well |
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| 19:01.12 | nick12345 | delaaaa, what about the logs? |
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| 19:01.56 | delaaaa | I don't know |
| 19:02.02 | xreal | Did Jessie get OverlayFS backport? |
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| 19:02.06 | delaaaa | I only usually look at logs immediately after something has gone wrong |
| 19:02.15 | nick12345 | back them up too just in case |
| 19:02.31 | greycat | If it's just a personal workstation, the logs may not be of any long-term value. |
| 19:02.38 | greycat | Servers are different. |
| 19:04.01 | delaaaa | yes, it is a personal workstation |
| 19:04.47 | xreal | anyone? :( |
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| 19:05.05 | otyugh | anyone using calcurse here ? |
| 19:05.13 | otyugh | I've got some problem with accent |
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| 19:05.49 | otyugh | in the documentation it is said that it can be fixed by fixing the locale's choice. Mine should be fine already, so I do not understand. |
| 19:05.53 | greycat | xreal: is that a package name? by "backport" do you mean to imply that you already know it to be in sid? |
| 19:07.02 | xreal | greycat: I mean, it's in the kernel for 7 months now and years in Ubuntu. perhaps "backport" is the wrong term, but I had hope, someone backported the patch to fit in current jessie kernel. |
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| 19:07.23 | greycat | what's the package name in ubuntu? |
| 19:07.42 | xreal | greycat: it's in the kernel :) |
| 19:07.54 | xreal | greycat: don't know the package name :( |
| 19:07.59 | greycat | Then I don't know how to help you determine whether it's in Debian or not. |
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| 19:08.18 | fnstudio | hi, i just installed testing on my laptop. Suspend behaves unexpectedly: I can resume just touching the touchpad. Any idea how I can avoid this? |
| 19:08.43 | xreal | greycat: Which kernel is in testing / unstable right now? |
| 19:08.47 | fnstudio | i already tried unloading a related module |
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| 19:08.59 | fnstudio | but that doesn't help |
| 19:09.19 | fnstudio | anyone experiencing the same behaviour? |
| 19:09.39 | greycat | ,v linux-image-amd64 |
| 19:09.40 | judd | Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.6.32+29; squeeze-backports: 3.2+46~bpo60+1; wheezy: 3.2+46; wheezy-backports: 3.16+63~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.16+63; stretch: 3.16+63; sid: 4.0+64 |
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| 19:12.11 | Klapo | is there any way to enable logs on sogod ? |
| 19:12.38 | Klapo | while starting it just exit, no logs, not working |
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| 19:14.48 | Andril | any links to "things to do after installing Debian" noob stuff |
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| 19:15.41 | greycat | get your X environment set up the way you want, get audio working |
| 19:15.52 | greycat | get email working |
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| 19:18.49 | teraflop | Klapo: for me they are in /var/log/sogo/sogo.log anyway look at the sogo process and its arguments |
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| 19:24.23 | Klapo | teraflop: hmm no files http://www.openchange.org/cookbook/backends/sogo/webui.html my friend followed this |
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| 19:26.43 | teraflop | heh, Klapo tell your friend to grep the sogod process and look at the "-WOLogFile" pathtolog.log file |
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| 19:27.58 | teraflop | Klapo: sogo+openchange it's not a trivial setup |
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| 19:29.16 | Klapo | teraflop: heh, I know just from listening him |
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| 19:29.51 | teraflop | ah, sorry, i thought you were asking for him |
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| 19:31.10 | Klapo | yeah I'am. Thanks for hints |
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| 19:31.12 | teraflop | Klapo: i do sogo + apoenchange from debian directly, anyway there is a thing called iredmail that do a sane installation of all the stuff it you don't care |
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| 19:31.49 | Klapo | teraflop: Hmm I'll try make hime come here, such great support |
| 19:32.08 | teraflop | Klapo: ah np |
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| 19:33.34 | Andril | no love for a noob? |
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| 19:34.27 | teraflop | Andril: about things to do after installing debian? |
| 19:34.31 | cnuber | hello all, how do I go about fixing a wrapping issue in screen? |
| 19:34.46 | cnuber | it's annoying me beyond belief and googling it yields no helpful results |
| 19:35.03 | Andril | yes teraflop |
| 19:35.04 | Klapo | norcuron: teraflop can help you |
| 19:35.12 | teraflop | Klapo: heh |
| 19:35.12 | Klapo | so I think |
| 19:35.45 | Andril | i have a nvidia card that shows up in "lspci" but no software and my monitor is not being identified |
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| 19:38.40 | Klapo | teraflop: hes trying your solution (iredmail), we'll see |
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| 19:40.12 | teraflop | Klapo: ah I think is a good start so you can see how it works all together, then he could try (or not) a manual setup |
| 19:41.10 | teraflop | Klapo: but iredmail is not supported here, so If any trouble I suggest navigate iredmail forums |
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| 19:50.13 | teraflop | heh |
| 19:50.16 | teraflop | srry |
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| 19:55.02 | ghormoon | hi, any idea, what may got broken, when I can't get pptp vpn through nat (masquerade on debian jessie), it worked few months ago and I don't remember changing anything relevant :( did any relevant update show up that could affect it? (i was on jessie back then too) |
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| 20:00.01 | VsyachePuz | is there some utility which shows content of clipboard during drap-drop operation (for understanding/debugging) ? |
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| 20:04.10 | valdyn | VsyachePuz: run xclipboard |
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| 20:13.32 | raccoon_ | hey everyone. i have two IDE drives that got wiped and their tables zeroed about an hour ago. however my kernel is still doing I/O on one of them (according to iostat). how is that possible? how can i find out which kernel module/thread is doing this? |
| 20:14.12 | raccoon_ | i even tried issuing sleep mode via hdparm, but iostat still show usage |
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| 20:14.25 | digdilem | lsof show anything for those mount points? |
| 20:15.02 | raccoon_ | they are not mounted; as i mentioned i wiped them about an hour ago. |
| 20:15.14 | digdilem | try where they /were/ mounted |
| 20:15.23 | raccoon_ | however the block devices are still showing I/O usage through iostat |
| 20:15.33 | raccoon_ | ok, hang on |
| 20:15.47 | valdyn | raccoon_: iotop would show the pid too |
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| 20:19.26 | valdyn | raccoon_: or maybe you're only looking at that comulative stats |
| 20:19.34 | valdyn | *cumulative* |
| 20:21.49 | raccoon_ | lol, yeah... o\ |
| 20:22.00 | raccoon_ | it seems to be a cumulative average of some sorts |
| 20:22.13 | raccoon_ | enabling auto refresh shows the *current* stats :-) |
| 20:22.16 | raccoon_ | thanks! |
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| 20:22.47 | valdyn | the only why to have io after umount would be "umount -l" |
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| 20:23.04 | valdyn | (aside from having block layers like md or whatever) |
| 20:23.11 | valdyn | the only *way* to have io after umount would be "umount -l" |
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| 20:25.30 | raccoon_ | yeah, seems reasonable |
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| 20:28.20 | ktechmidas | Real quick question, I keep seeing references to /var/systemd/ for the .service files, but I don't see any in there on my Jessie box |
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| 20:28.28 | ktechmidas | where does Jessie keep them? |
| 20:28.37 | valdyn | ktechmidas: /run/systemd/ |
| 20:29.13 | valdyn | ktechmidas: those are generated, i assume /var/systemd only contains the generated ones too |
| 20:31.00 | ktechmidas | valdyn: So if I want to create a new .service file, where would I put it so systemd picks it up? |
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| 20:31.12 | valdyn | ktechmidas: /etc/systemd/ |
| 20:31.26 | ktechmidas | Thanks :) |
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| 20:32.32 | valdyn | ktechmidas: /etc/systemd/system/ probably then |
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| 20:42.40 | teraflop | ktechmidas: /usr/lib/systemd for units provided by installed packages, /usr/lib/systemd/user/ for --user units, and if you want replace an unit create it in /etc/systemd/system/unit as valdyn said and reenable the unit |
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| 21:11.25 | graytron | in jessie, how does one see if the x11 session is active or not? in wheezy ck-list-sessions worked well for that purpose |
| 21:11.49 | greycat | wonders what "the x11 session" means |
| 21:11.51 | sentriz | Hi, I see a daemon in /etc/init.d that runs on startup, but I don't want it to. How can I stop it? |
| 21:12.09 | greycat | sentriz: if it's a Debian package, just remove the package |
| 21:12.24 | sentriz | greycat: I want to use it, just not on startup |
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| 21:12.34 | greycat | sentriz: which version of Debian? |
| 21:12.51 | sentriz | greycat: Well, it's Raspian |
| 21:13.05 | greycat | Does it use sysvinit, or systemd? |
| 21:13.15 | sentriz | greycat: How can I tell? |
| 21:13.19 | greycat | *sigh* |
| 21:13.22 | sentriz | :P |
| 21:13.25 | ktechmidas | sentriz: run "systemctl" |
| 21:13.34 | ktechmidas | if it says command not found, it's sysvinit |
| 21:13.41 | sentriz | it's sysvinit |
| 21:14.05 | ktechmidas | in that case you should just be able move the file out of /etc/init.d |
| 21:14.12 | greycat | OK, since it's not debian, now you have to run "runlevel" to see which run level you're in. |
| 21:14.23 | ktechmidas | ignore me ^ |
| 21:14.25 | greycat | ktechmidas: no, he wants to use it, so he needs to remove the S* symlinks |
| 21:14.30 | sentriz | level 2 |
| 21:14.33 | graytron | greycat: in wheezy, "ck-list-sessions" listed all sessions and the active one was differentiated from other with parameter "active" having value "TRUE" instead of "FALSE |
| 21:14.36 | ktechmidas | greycat: yeah just seen, sorry |
| 21:14.36 | graytron | " |
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| 21:15.44 | sentriz | ktechmidas: I currently restart the daemon using /etc/init.d/my_daemon restart, what could I do after I move it from /etc/init.d/? /new_dir/my_daemon restart? |
| 21:15.49 | greycat | "runlevel" (or /sbin/runlevel if you aren't root) should say something like "N 2" |
| 21:15.59 | ktechmidas | sentriz: ignore me, greycat is right |
| 21:16.05 | sentriz | greycat: yes, N 2 |
| 21:16.16 | greycat | so remove the symlink to your script from /etc/rc2.d/ |
| 21:16.55 | sentriz | I see, "rm /etc/rc2.d/my_daemon"? |
| 21:16.59 | greycat | it' |
| 21:17.05 | greycat | it'll begin with an S |
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| 21:17.43 | graytron | greycat: how do i see which session is active in jessie, forget about x11 :) |
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| 21:18.04 | greycat | graytron: I don't even understand the concepts you're talking about. I start X by running "startx" on a console. |
| 21:18.12 | sentriz | greycat: yes, it begins with S02 |
| 21:18.22 | greycat | sentriz: remove that, and it won't start at boot |
| 21:18.57 | sentriz | greycat: very nice. I can still start it when I like with "/etc/init.d/my_daemon start", right? |
| 21:19.01 | greycat | yes |
| 21:19.17 | ktechmidas | greycat: has Debian always used the rc folders? I always thought it just used init.d and didn't symlink, it's another OS I'm thinking of right? |
| 21:19.18 | graytron | greycat: ok. too bad. systemd made things break |
| 21:19.21 | sentriz | greycat: very nice. also, what does the .d start for in all of these dirs? |
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| 21:19.42 | sentriz | *stand for |
| 21:19.51 | ktechmidas | daemon |
| 21:19.54 | greycat | I think it stands for "directory", but who knows.... |
| 21:20.12 | jhutchins | Might also have been "directory" |
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| 21:20.32 | sentriz | that seems a little weird, but I'm new to Linux |
| 21:20.38 | greycat | cf. /etc/apt/apt.conf (file) and /etc/apt/apt.conf.d (dir) |
| 21:20.49 | ktechmidas | ahha |
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| 21:21.19 | sentriz | thanks for your help fellas |
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| 21:21.48 | reborn | where i can find guide and need to know before i install debian on my computer? |
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| 21:22.48 | afx237 | reborn: http://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/ |
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| 21:24.16 | reborn | afx237, thanks |
| 21:24.20 | jhutchins | sentriz: Run Control Directory |
| 21:24.38 | jhutchins | sentriz: (Not authoritative) |
| 21:25.11 | sentriz | very new to Linux, jhutchins, how do I run that? |
| 21:25.47 | greycat | He's telling you what the R, C and D stand for. |
| 21:25.54 | greycat | (Possibly.) |
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| 21:26.17 | greycat | Some of the actual nomenclature is lost in history. |
| 21:26.46 | sentriz | Oh I see |
| 21:26.54 | bbtech | How do I verify that I'm selecting the correct disk for grub? http://postimg.org/image/v0kfo9ej9/ |
| 21:26.57 | ktechmidas | For years I thought it was daemon... it all makes sense now |
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| 21:27.35 | bbtech | I got the image during an aptitude full-upgrade |
| 21:27.38 | sentriz | .d is just extra info though, right? it doesn't change the functionality of the directory? |
| 21:27.51 | greycat | yeah, it's just part of the directory's name |
| 21:28.00 | jhutchins | sentriz: this says it's a holdover from earlier Unix where a program called "runcom" (Run Commands) ran a list of commands from an "rc" file: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/111611/what-does-the-rc-stand-for-in-etc-rc-d |
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| 21:28.02 | sentriz | interesting. |
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| 21:28.47 | jhutchins | sentriz: Yeah, extensions don't actually mean anything to the OS, what it looks at is the first "word" of the file to determine what it is. |
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| 21:29.26 | jhutchins | sentriz: Some programs look at file extensions, but mostly for MS compatibility. Extensions in Linux are for humans. |
| 21:29.56 | sentriz | jhutchins: I see. Is that what shebang lines are for then? |
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| 21:30.42 | sentriz | because it looks like I can make anything executable with chmod +x |
| 21:30.43 | greycat | shebang comes from "hash bang" |
| 21:31.19 | sentriz | greycat: It seems like they tell Linux what runtime to use now |
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| 21:31.40 | sentriz | if extensions don't matter |
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| 21:31.44 | acz32 | sentriz: that's not how it works |
| 21:32.00 | acz32 | chmod +x makes something executible whether there is a shebang line or not |
| 21:32.39 | greycat | The shebang line tells the kernel HOW to run it. |
| 21:32.53 | greycat | Compiled programs have different magic bytes at the start that tell it to do something else. |
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| 21:33.31 | greycat | (usually to run /lib/ld-linux.so.2 or something) |
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| 21:34.14 | tombee | So.. what are the chances of getting a comfortable desktop debian environment on a MacbookPro11,2? :) |
| 21:34.25 | tombee | When I've tried before I've kinda struggled with power management and a few proprietary drivers. |
| 21:34.45 | jhutchins | sentriz: Yes, that particular format tells the shell to call a specific program to run the script - bash, sh, ruby, perl, etc. |
| 21:34.48 | acz32 | tombee: boot up a debian livecd and find out |
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| 21:35.09 | sentriz | ah |
| 21:35.14 | jhutchins | !mac |
| 21:35.15 | dpkg | [mac] Media Access Control, see <mac change>; Macintosh, see <apple>, <m68k>, <macbook>, <powerpc>, <macsound>; Mandatory Access Control, see <apparmor>, <selinux>, <tomoyo>; Monkey's Audio Codec, see <ape>. |
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| 21:35.48 | jhutchins | tombee: /msg dpkg macbook |
| 21:36.01 | tombee | thanks jhutchins !! |
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| 21:37.34 | ktechmidas | sentriz: A shebang in that form basically tells the loader to rerun using the parameter provided, so if you have a shebang saying /usr/bin/python in test.py the first thing it will do is "/usr/bin/python test.py" |
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| 21:38.06 | ktechmidas | then python just ignores the shebang and executes the program |
| 21:38.32 | sentriz | ktechmidas: I see, interesting |
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| 21:40.23 | ktechmidas | sentriz: you can also pass arguments using it too... so "#!/usr/bin/python -v" at the start would make it verbose |
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| 21:40.39 | ktechmidas | leads to some interesting edgecases though |
| 21:41.01 | orzo | artument pasing is limited |
| 21:41.05 | orzo | argument passing |
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| 21:41.28 | ktechmidas | yeah, may get some unexpected results |
| 21:41.30 | orzo | probably need to use something indirect like the 'env' command if you have a complicated command line |
| 21:41.33 | sentriz | and that tells python to be verbose, not the script, right? |
| 21:41.50 | orzo | you can pass one argument like -v |
| 21:42.23 | ktechmidas | Yup, pretty hacky way to do it though (and you can only pass one argument, it kind of bundles them all together if you try to pass more) |
| 21:42.55 | orzo | maybe that should be changed |
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| 21:43.04 | orzo | it violates user expectation |
| 21:43.15 | orzo | principle of least surprise |
| 21:44.06 | ktechmidas | I imagine if it could be fixed without starting a war or breaking things, it would have been already ;) |
| 21:44.39 | ktechmidas | this particular "feature" goes back at least 18 years |
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| 21:44.48 | orzo | somehow i doubt theres a legitimate technical barrier |
| 21:44.59 | orzo | yeah |
| 21:45.10 | orzo | i know, it's as old as shebang probably |
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| 21:46.54 | orzo | if we don't want to fix it, we should deprecate it |
| 21:47.12 | orzo | principle of least surprise after all |
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| 22:05.13 | bmoar | is there a way to sysctl -w kernel.{ostype,version} ? When I try to set it, it has no effect |
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| 22:08.04 | Brigo | bmoar, it would make sense that kernel.{ostype,version} is readonly |
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| 22:12.09 | bmoar | Brigo: yeah I just thought it would be neat if you could change it |
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| 22:13.48 | Brigo | bmoar, yeah, lot of fun for your system which will be all of the sudden running other with other kernel :) |
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| 22:15.53 | bmoar | hey C is supposed to be portable right? If my ostype is Windows 95 I'm sure it will be fine |
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| 22:18.50 | orzo | you still run win95 ? |
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| 22:20.05 | teraflop | xD |
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| 22:35.04 | nyk2005 | I have a D-Link DWA-127 USB WiFi which I would like to use with debian wheezy on a Sheevaplug. It's supposed to use the rt2800usb kernel module, which is present, but the USB ID is ID 2001:3d04 instead of 2001:3C1B, which it should have according to https://wiki.debian.org/rt2800usb. Does this need another driver? Or can I somehow convince the rt2800usb to accept this USB ID? |
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| 22:35.36 | orzo | you can patch the source to make it try to work with a different id |
| 22:36.00 | orzo | if your equipment explodes, then we will have learned that it needs another driver |
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| 22:36.11 | orzo | if not, you can send the patch upstream |
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| 22:41.22 | Tzic | either way, learning experience |
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| 22:48.41 | nyk2005 | orzo: but patching and especially compiling the source on the sheevaplug with only 500 megs for packages. I would have to cross-compile, which I never did before. But there's no simpler way? |
| 22:49.12 | abrotman | nyk2005: still didn't work it out? |
| 22:49.40 | orzo | nyk2005: i don't expect there is a simpler way, but you should research it before giving up based on my expectation |
| 22:49.55 | nyk2005 | abrotman: hi again! no, not yet |
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| 22:51.12 | abrotman | nyk2005: you tried the kernel from experiemntal? |
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| 22:53.22 | nyk2005 | abrotman: not yet. do you mean debian unstable? |
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| 22:55.03 | abrotman | no |
| 22:55.05 | abrotman | judd: kernels |
| 22:55.06 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.19.0-trunk-686-pae (3.19.3-1~exp1); sid: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt9-2); stretch: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt9-2); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt9-2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt7-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.65-1+deb7u2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.65-1+deb7u2~bpo60+1); |
| 22:55.07 | judd | squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze6) |
| 22:55.21 | abrotman | well, it's not showing the 4.x trunk I don't think |
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| 23:01.36 | roberth1990 | isnt 4.0 in unstable now? |
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| 23:01.49 | nyk2005 | abrotman: How can I install the experimental kernel using apt-get? I'm currently using wheezy |
| 23:01.55 | centrx | roberth1990, Yes - https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=linux-image-4 |
| 23:02.12 | roberth1990 | centrx: so judd isn't updated automatically... |
| 23:02.30 | abrotman | roberth1990: yes, it is |
| 23:02.56 | somiaj | nyk2005: that sounds like lots of trouble. Why do you need something newer than 3.16 from wheezy-backports? |
| 23:03.06 | abrotman | but not the kirkwood that he needs AFAICT |
| 23:03.08 | abrotman | win 1 |
| 23:03.12 | random | hi everybody, i tried to create a fat32 partition on a usb stick, but when i try to mount it, i get an error, it tells me "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock". could someone tell me what happened? |
| 23:03.36 | somiaj | random: how did you 'create this partition', did you do anything more than create a partition, did you actually put a file system on it? |
| 23:03.39 | nyk2005 | somiaj: because I have an usb wifi dongle which doesn't work with the current kernel |
| 23:03.51 | roberth1990 | how often is kernels backported to stable? |
| 23:03.52 | somiaj | nyk2005: what are you calling the current kernel? |
| 23:04.05 | somiaj | roberth1990: usually fairly quickly after the kernel hits testing. |
| 23:04.28 | somiaj | roberth1990: but right after a release, it takes a bit to get everything back to a normal flow since the freeze backs so much up. |
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| 23:04.43 | random | oh. the file system. thanks xD |
| 23:04.53 | random | (i used fdisk btw) |
| 23:05.05 | somiaj | random: look at mkfs.vfat, its part of dosfsutils or somethign like that. |
| 23:05.16 | roberth1990 | somiaj: yeah I understand that, but the backported kernels doesn't receive as much fixing as the default one in stable? |
| 23:05.32 | somiaj | random: yea that only makes a partition, and the label is mostly for info when looking at it again (it doesn't have a major effect). You need to put a file system on the partition for it to be mountable. |
| 23:05.35 | random | yeah i just did that like 10 minutes ago, but it created a 250MB partition only. forgot to do that part again |
| 23:05.57 | random | i'll try again ! thanks for the help :p |
| 23:06.09 | nyk2005 | somiaj: 3.2.0-4-kirkwood #1 Debian 3.2.68-1+deb7u1 armv5tel GNU/Linux |
| 23:06.15 | somiaj | roberth1990: by fixing you mean constantly backporting security fixes and adding new drivers then no, but it does get some security support. If a security flaw is found, the kernel is updated in sid, usually flows into testing fairly quickly (5 days) and then gets backported. |
| 23:06.47 | nyk2005 | abrotman: I'm going to try patching the kernel module. Do they have CRC check? |
| 23:06.54 | somiaj | nyk2005: try updateing to the 3.16 in wheezy backports, it is desined for wheezy and far safer than installing an experimental package. |
| 23:07.06 | abrotman | nyk2005: you should really try hte BPO kernel first if you haven't yet |
| 23:07.09 | srg | How difficult is it to resize a partition on an encrypted LVM |
| 23:07.11 | srg | ? |
| 23:07.24 | abrotman | it probably contains newer firmware for your deivce also |
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| 23:07.30 | nyk2005 | abrotman: the BPO? never heard of that, sorry. how can I do that? |
| 23:07.37 | abrotman | I told you about it last night! |
| 23:07.39 | SuperTramp83 | nyk2005 - https://jxself.org/linux-libre/ |
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| 23:07.46 | abrotman | dpkg: tell nyk2005 about backports kernel |
| 23:07.49 | abrotman | SuperTramp83: that won't help, wtf |
| 23:07.50 | roberth1990 | somiaj: okay |
| 23:08.16 | abrotman | SuperTramp83: Please don't spam your crap in here for people that need actual help |
| 23:08.48 | nyk2005 | somiaj: thanks for the hint! so I need my sources file to point to backports? Just add "backports" there? |
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| 23:08.52 | abrotman | judd: versions firmware-ralink |
| 23:08.53 | judd | Package: firmware-ralink on amd64 -- squeeze/non-free: 0.28+squeeze1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1~bpo60+1; wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 0.43~bpo70+1; stretch/non-free: 0.43; jessie/non-free: 0.43; sid/non-free: 0.44 |
| 23:09.12 | abrotman | dpkg: tell nyk2005 about wheezy backports |
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| 23:10.27 | somiaj | nyk2005: it is a different repo, so you need to add anew deb line. Read the factoid abrotman sent you, and it is a very good and safe repo to add, you won't get anything installed from there with out explicity asking for it |
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| 23:10.43 | abrotman | He should install the kernel and the newer firmware |
| 23:10.57 | nyk2005 | somiaj: ah cool, thanks a lot! I'm reading it now! and I will try it! |
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| 23:11.08 | icarus | hello all |
| 23:11.24 | nyk2005 | abrotman: thanks, I will try! |
| 23:11.31 | icarus | i started up the debian 8 live iso on thumb drive |
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| 23:11.40 | icarus | and it looks like it comes without wifi drivers |
| 23:12.13 | icarus | does anyone have any advice on getting wifi going? my laptop doesnt have an ethernet port, so its wifi only |
| 23:12.22 | somiaj | icarus: check dmesg, most likely it is missing the non-free firmware most wifi drivers require |
| 23:12.28 | icarus | i cant pull the necessary packages |
| 23:12.33 | somiaj | icarus: type 'dmesg | grep firmware' you should see an error about requring firmware. |
| 23:12.39 | somiaj | or unable to load the firmware. |
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| 23:12.59 | icarus | somiaj: alright, ill try to track the messages in a txt file, then reboot and see if i can pull them externally |
| 23:13.06 | icarus | really excited about debian 8 though |
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| 23:13.17 | somiaj | icarus: I think live.debian.net provides images with non-free firmware included, or you can put the firmware on another partition on the thumbdrive, and just copy it over and reload the wifi module. |
| 23:13.29 | ryouma | i am setting up my second internal hd so that it can boot to my system. i want this so i have an immediately-usable fallback if jessie upgrade fails. i confirmed that rsync made a perfect copy to root and boot, edited crypttab and fstab, prepared a chroot for root and boot, and ran "update-initramfs -u -k all; update-grub; dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc". however, it is not booting properly: http://paste.debian.net/176 |
| 23:13.29 | ryouma | 644/ . |
| 23:13.58 | somiaj | ryouma: you need to install grub in the mbr (or efi partition if you use efi) of the second drive |
| 23:14.11 | ryouma | somiaj: i did that, and grub works |
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| 23:14.23 | somiaj | ryouma: and then tell yoru bois to boot from that drive, so 'grub-install /dev/sdwhatever |
| 23:14.36 | somiaj | ryouma: are you sure you installed it on this second drive and aren't just seeing the grub from your other drive? |
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| 23:15.19 | icarus | somiaj: thanks for that, ill check it out |
| 23:15.46 | ryouma | yes, i choose which drive to boot from using the boot sequence of the bios. it's booting on the second internal drive (sda). |
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| 23:16.18 | ryouma | i installed in the chroot to the mounted sda3 |
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| 23:16.27 | somiaj | ryouma: BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz, this seems a bit unstandard. You also said encrypted, does this /vmlinuz live inside your encrypted partition? |
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| 23:18.21 | ryouma | somiaj: i am trying to do everything standard. or possibly using the vmlinuz -> boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-4-amd64 symlink. it is in the luks partition (sda3). it gets loaded and runs. |
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| 23:18.41 | icarus | whats the best way to contribute to the debian community? |
| 23:18.59 | ryouma | somiaj: i have hte same symlink in my working sdb |
| 23:19.02 | somiaj | ryouma: I haven't seen /vmlinuz used as links for a long time, with grub usually I just point it directly to the image, /boot/vmlniuz-version |
| 23:19.16 | ryouma | somiaj: how does that get updated? |
| 23:19.46 | somiaj | ryouma: the grub.cfg is created with update-grub which runs a lot of scripts, and looks at all your kenrels in /boot and writes a entry for each one (it also looks for other oses and stuff as well) |
| 23:19.51 | somiaj | !whatcanido |
| 23:20.10 | ryouma | somiaj: also, i did not set this manually. this is the default debian menu entry created by my commands above. |
| 23:20.13 | somiaj | !howcanihelp |
| 23:20.13 | dpkg | Want to help out with Debian and become more involved in the Debian project? The tools wnpp-alert, rc-alert (both from the devscripts package) and how-can-i-help can provide inspiration on buggy or unmaintained packages that you have installed on your system. Ask me about <wnpp>, <rc-alert>, <devscripts>, <new maintainer guide>. https://debian.org/intro/help |
| 23:20.34 | ryouma | somiaj: yeah, i think that is what created it |
| 23:21.10 | somiaj | ryouma: I'm just pointing out what I see, I dn't know the actual problem. But since I don't use lvm or encryption I don't know any extra details that need to be done to ensure everything is read correctly |
| 23:21.43 | somiaj | icarus: read the factoid from dpkg, that is more code level, I think there is also ways to contribute with documentation and help say the wiki, etc |
| 23:21.45 | ryouma | i don't use lvm |
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| 23:23.00 | ryouma | somiaj: i figured since everything is the same as on sdb except the things that obviously need to be different, such as partition identifiers, it should boot properly, but it's not liking something. |
| 23:23.16 | somiaj | ryouma: did you check the uuid's in both grub and fstab? |
| 23:23.52 | ryouma | somiaj: yes, i copy pasted to make sure they were the ones from blkid, and then compared the error |
| 23:24.00 | ryouma | and the menu entry in grub.cfg |
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| 23:24.28 | ryouma | they point to sda1, which is how they work in my running sdb |
| 23:25.13 | nyk2005 | abrotman: sorry to bother you again, but after adding the backport repository, how does apt-get know to install the newer version from there? |
| 23:25.50 | abrotman | nyk2005: apt-get update |
| 23:25.58 | abrotman | nyk2005: /msg dpkg backports kernel |
| 23:26.08 | abrotman | nope, that's not it |
| 23:26.22 | nyk2005 | abrotman: the update I did |
| 23:26.29 | abrotman | nyk2005: can you show us your sources.list |
| 23:26.32 | abrotman | paste.debina.net |
| 23:26.37 | abrotman | paste.debian.net even |
| 23:26.45 | somiaj | nyk2005: apt-get -t wheezy-backports install packagename |
| 23:26.58 | nyk2005 | abrotman: ok |
| 23:27.02 | abrotman | yeah, I"m wondering if the link gave him jessie-backports or wheezy-backports |
| 23:27.04 | nyk2005 | somiaj: ah, cool! thanks! |
| 23:27.11 | abrotman | oh, the right one |
| 23:27.20 | nyk2005 | wheezy |
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| 23:28.30 | nyk2005 | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/177240/ |
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| 23:30.35 | nyk2005 | somiaj: apt-get -t wheezy-backports install firmware-ralink didn't upgrade it... |
| 23:30.57 | somiaj | ,v firmware-ralink |
| 23:30.59 | judd | Package: firmware-ralink on amd64 -- squeeze/non-free: 0.28+squeeze1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1~bpo60+1; wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 0.43~bpo70+1; stretch/non-free: 0.43; jessie/non-free: 0.43; sid/non-free: 0.44 |
| 23:31.18 | somiaj | nyk2005: did you include non-free in your wheezy-backports line and run apt-get update after you changed your soruces.list file |
| 23:31.44 | nyk2005 | somiaj: ah, it need non-free, of course.. thanks! |
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| 23:34.18 | dimitry7 | Hi guys, I have this routing problem: http://paste.incorrigible.me/nizobowoqo.rb |
| 23:35.22 | Brigo | dimitry7, you cannot have 2 default gateways in one interface. |
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| 23:35.52 | dimitry7 | Brigo, I know, I want to route traffic to 192.168.1.0/24 |
| 23:36.09 | dimitry7 | but I don't have a host route, all I have is default route |
| 23:36.13 | dimitry7 | which knows 172.16.1.11 |
| 23:36.30 | nyk2005 | somiaj: you were referring to the package "linux-image-3.16.0-0.bpo.4-kirkwood"? |
| 23:37.19 | somiaj | nyk2005: if that is the kernel you use, dno't know what the kirkwood means though. |
| 23:37.33 | somiaj | nyk2005: you can also install the meta package as well linux-image-<whaterver arch you use> |
| 23:37.40 | somiaj | nyk2005: and that will pull in the correct kernel. |
| 23:37.41 | nyk2005 | somiaj: no, I'm currently using 3.2! |
| 23:38.03 | somiaj | nyk2005: I ment the -krikwood kernel vrs -amd64, -i686, etc |
| 23:38.08 | somiaj | not version but arch |
| 23:38.09 | nyk2005 | somiaj: kirkwood is for the armv5tel in the sheevaplug |
| 23:38.30 | Brigo | dmilith, for the computer the router ip as default is ok. |
| 23:38.57 | nyk2005 | ah just "apt-get -t wheezy-backports install linux-image-kirkwood" should do it? |
| 23:39.01 | Brigo | dmilith, it is the router itself which has to know how to send the packets. |
| 23:39.20 | somiaj | nyk2005: yes |
| 23:39.47 | nyk2005 | somiaj: I also don't really get why the kernel for the armv5tel CPU is called kirkwood, but it works.. :) |
| 23:39.50 | nyk2005 | cool |
| 23:41.25 | nyk2005 | somiaj: strange, it wants to install linux-image-3.16.0-0.bpo.4-kirkwood.... yeah, let's just try it.. |
| 23:41.27 | somiaj | nyk2005: just a codename of some sort. |
| 23:41.38 | somiaj | nyk2005: yea the meta package pulls in the current version. |
| 23:42.16 | somiaj | nyk2005: so if it gets updated to a new version the meta package will pull in the next version (which I don't think will happen in wheezy, since wheezy-backporst won't get a newer kernel than 3.16, at that point one would update to jessie for newer kernel. |
| 23:42.21 | nyk2005 | somiaj: cool, it's downloading, hope it works! |
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| 23:43.08 | abrotman | we do too .. |
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