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| 00:01.19 | shentino | Hey, anyone have trouble/advice on setting up a Netgrear N300 wifi adapter for USB? |
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| 00:03.20 | CapitalSigma | hello all |
| 00:03.21 | Dan39 | if its giving you that much trouble, get a different adapter |
| 00:03.44 | Dan39 | they are pretty cheap, and the ones ive tried worked with no setup |
| 00:03.56 | Dan39 | on linux at least |
| 00:04.09 | CapitalSigma | i'm working on installing debian on a new laptop (i'm switching over from ubuntu). i don't want to install a desktop environment, but it looks like the installer leaves out wireless-tools |
| 00:04.12 | shentino | Dan39: What brand/model/chipsset did you use? |
| 00:04.16 | abrotman | shentino: Did you install the firmwrae? |
| 00:04.21 | CapitalSigma | how can i make sure that wireless-tools gets installed on the new machine? |
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| 00:04.45 | shentino | abrotman: not yet, I'm still in the middle of installing debian. My computer in question doesn't have internet access yet (using my grandpa's to chat) |
| 00:05.06 | abrotman | dpkg: tell shentino about firmware images |
| 00:07.11 | shentino | abrotman: Will that detect my adapter during OS install? |
| 00:07.14 | Dan39 | shentino: some packages may have to be apt-get'ed |
| 00:07.18 | Dan39 | firmware |
| 00:07.27 | Dan39 | and wireless tools of course |
| 00:07.39 | abrotman | shentino: that's the idea, the image includes many firmware things you normally have to install separately |
| 00:07.45 | Dan39 | i havnt used them on debian tbh |
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| 00:11.55 | shentino | ok I'm burning the firmware iso now |
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| 00:14.28 | nyk2005 | abrotman: still not working. It didn't boot into the backport kernel |
| 00:14.42 | abrotman | didnt' boot? at all? |
| 00:15.54 | nyk2005 | abrotman: still the same kernel 3.2. Maybe I need flash-kernel after all |
| 00:16.05 | shentino | abrotman: I just burned and booted the firmware cd, it did NOT detect the adater |
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| 00:16.24 | nyk2005 | abrotman: upgrading kernel on the sheevaplug is still a mystery to me |
| 00:16.24 | abrotman | shentino: that was quick |
| 00:16.34 | abrotman | nyk2005: I as well, there is an ARM channel on irc.oftc.net |
| 00:16.36 | shentino | I'm using two computers atm |
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| 00:16.46 | abrotman | shentino: and you used jessie? |
| 00:16.46 | shentino | one not mine, but hooked up to the internet via ethernet |
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| 00:16.57 | shentino | the other mine, but with a so far not detected usb wifi adapter |
| 00:17.09 | shentino | Uh...whatever version 8.0.0 is |
| 00:17.14 | nyk2005 | abrotman: Seems problematic: linux-image-3.16.0-0.bpo.4-kirkwood : Breaks: flash-kernel |
| 00:17.16 | abrotman | shentino: can you read through 'dmesg', and see if it sees it at all ? |
| 00:17.22 | abrotman | nyk2005: uh, awesome |
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| 00:17.30 | shentino | hold on a sec |
| 00:17.38 | shentino | wait, how do I see dmesg during an install? |
| 00:17.43 | nyk2005 | abrotman: ah, thanks! that might be good! |
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| 00:18.30 | mdim | hi folks |
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| 00:18.54 | cerebro_ | alt-4 |
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| 00:20.20 | jeeves_moss | is there a good program that makes a bunch of fake IRC users? I want to test if I configured my server correctly. |
| 00:20.24 | shentino | abrotman: Yes, it detects as a USB device |
| 00:20.45 | mdim | I've noticed this when I try to ssh to a machine: http://pastebin.com/JZL5mMH1 |
| 00:20.49 | abrotman | is it a network adapter? |
| 00:20.56 | mdim | ... even though it has my public key |
| 00:21.03 | mdim | any clue why that is happening? |
| 00:21.27 | shentino | it doesn't detect as such, no |
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| 00:23.06 | roberth1990 | anybody know what kde uses to automount usb pens for example? |
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| 00:25.50 | nyk2005 | abrotman: I also tried patching the USB id in the kernel module now, but didn't help. :( It's really a cursed USB module! :) Thanks for your help! |
| 00:26.42 | shentino | abrotman: I booted off the firmware included cd, it did not detect my wifi adapter |
| 00:27.16 | themill | roberth1990: udisks2 |
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| 00:28.35 | roberth1990 | themill: thanks |
| 00:29.04 | abrotman | shentino: it might be too new .. is there a BPO kernel for jessie already? |
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| 00:30.28 | shentino | bpo? |
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| 00:32.35 | aguitel | how install nm-applet in jessie ? |
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| 00:33.12 | roberth1990 | aguitel: which DE? |
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| 00:33.27 | aguitel | roberth1990, mate |
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| 00:35.57 | roberth1990 | aguitel: uh I don't think mate has something yet, but I am not sure... |
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| 00:36.58 | aguitel | roberth1990, ok |
| 00:37.22 | roberth1990 | aguitel: ask in #mate |
| 00:37.32 | aguitel | roberth1990, ok |
| 00:37.38 | aguitel | i will |
| 00:38.20 | aguitel | last question , how remove kde (whole package) |
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| 00:40.35 | abrotman | shentino: please keep it in the channel |
| 00:40.45 | shentino | Sorry, I thought it would be less spammy to go to pm |
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| 00:40.46 | abrotman | shentino: how new is the adapter? |
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| 00:40.53 | roberth1990 | aguitel: tasksel remove kde-desktop |
| 00:40.54 | shentino | I just bought it today from Best Buy |
| 00:41.01 | abrotman | Right, but I'm editing a document while talking to you :) |
| 00:41.14 | abrotman | shentino: I meant, is the chipset newer? |
| 00:41.34 | shentino | I don't know, let me go get the packaging |
| 00:41.44 | abrotman | shentino: you might want to google a bit, see if you can figure out hte chipset |
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| 00:44.00 | shentino | The package doesn't say what the firmware is, but the netgear model number is WNA3100 |
| 00:44.44 | shentino | https://wikidevi.com/wiki/Netgear_WNA3100 |
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| 00:46.51 | shentino | Also, for debian 8.0.0 and up, is systemd mandatory? |
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| 00:47.08 | themill | no |
| 00:47.48 | rjsalts | it's the default |
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| 00:49.59 | tlund | After editing /etc/systemd/logind.conf, what do I need to do to make it take effect? |
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| 01:09.33 | shentino | abrotman: what about wifi repeaters that plug into my rj45? |
| 01:09.52 | abrotman | uhm, never used one |
| 01:10.21 | shentino | it came up as an option while googling |
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| 01:43.15 | n0c | hey! so in aptitude, i pressed f like i usually do to dismiss the 'new packages' section to clean up the view -- kind of a habit.. but after doing it this time, I realized I'd actually like to browse it |
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| 01:43.43 | n0c | is there any way to get it back or use apt-cache or something? I'm on testing and am curious what's in that release set of 'new' packages |
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| 01:56.42 | SmashingX | Can somebody please help me to figure out what Im doing wrong here? http://fixee.org/paste/rm2sjvk/ |
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| 02:02.47 | Sevalecan | So... my /etc/resolv.conf is constantly being overwritten with an ipv6 nameserver... and I don't know how to stop it... |
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| 02:10.39 | keios_v2 | Sevalecan: chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf would be a temporary fix |
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| 02:12.18 | themill | Sevalecan: sounds like you want to fix either the dhcp server to stop giving you bad addresses or the dhcp client to ignore the addresses given |
| 02:13.43 | Sevalecan | I think the setting is coming from ipv6 router advertisements... I set net.ipv6.conf.etho.autoconf=0 and net.ipv6.conf.eth0.accept_ra=0 |
| 02:13.53 | Sevalecan | that's temporarily fixed the overwrite |
| 02:13.58 | Sevalecan | but I didn't want to disable ipv6... heh |
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| 02:17.52 | orzo | my computer rebooted without my saying so |
| 02:18.01 | orzo | it does that sometimes when it gets too hot |
| 02:18.17 | hiexpo | clean it |
| 02:18.19 | orzo | but is there somewhere in the logs where i can verify that it happened because of a temperature trigger? |
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| 02:21.47 | lyonsb | uhhh. . . # journalctl -b 2 -n 50 ? |
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| 02:22.20 | lyonsb | you might want to try # journalctl --list-boots to find out a good number to put after -b |
| 02:22.28 | lucascastro | Sevalecan: disable ipv6 on sysctl won't save ? |
| 02:22.48 | orzo | it shows only one line |
| 02:22.59 | orzo | starting with 0 |
| 02:23.09 | orzo | should i expect more than that? |
| 02:24.10 | lyonsb | huh, yeah I can't look up logs from previous boots either. |
| 02:24.19 | lucascastro | Savalecan, but do you want to set a fixed dns ? |
| 02:24.43 | Sevalecan | no, I want it from my ipv4 DHCP, not from my apparently broken router advertisements |
| 02:24.44 | lucascastro | if so you can disable the dns overwrite from dhclient. |
| 02:25.14 | shay_shay | Sevalecan: I recommend using resolvconf (package) and setting DNS servers manually in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 02:25.18 | lyonsb | Yeah so journalctl only has a log from your current boot. |
| 02:25.27 | shay_shay | that's the cleanest solution for static IP at least |
| 02:25.53 | orzo | why do i look in journalctl output instead of /var/log/syslog |
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| 02:26.13 | shay_shay | ...because reasons |
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| 02:26.21 | orzo | the journalctl output is full of noise that has absolutely nothing to do with booting |
| 02:26.22 | lyonsb | Haha, sorting through a binary log file is fast :) |
| 02:26.54 | orzo | um |
| 02:27.03 | orzo | what good is fast if the info is useless |
| 02:27.09 | orzo | its just ipsec/strongswan foo mostly |
| 02:27.36 | lyonsb | Haha, well okay. Good luck :) |
| 02:28.45 | orzo | maybe my system is configured not to log much to journalctl? |
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| 02:31.36 | lyonsb | Thermal events are prob. in kern.log.# where # is the boot indexed from 0 being your current boot. |
| 02:32.23 | lyonsb | Of course that is also probably huge. |
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| 02:33.50 | Nautilus | When installing debian I didn't enter a domain, is that a problem? System is a VM for web dev but won't be hosting sites via external dns. |
| 02:34.09 | abrotman | that'sfine |
| 02:34.20 | Nautilus | thats for hosting sites? |
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| 02:36.07 | Sevalecan | I kinda sorta fixed it by somehow getting the DNS forwarder on my pfsense router to respond on the ipv6 address.... by selecting the ipv6 link-local address... I have no idea what I'm doing |
| 02:36.09 | Sevalecan | but things are working. |
| 02:36.10 | Sevalecan | :P |
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| 02:40.25 | xecycle | Can I copy all 3 DVD to one USB drive (and have it bootable)? |
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| 02:42.53 | dvs | xecycle: No, but you can download the BluRay ISO if it will fit. |
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| 02:43.21 | shay_shay | get a 64gb thumb drive and put the dual layer one on there |
| 02:43.46 | shay_shay | :D |
| 02:43.57 | shay_shay | i wish i had one, if I did that's what I would do |
| 02:44.37 | CHVNX | dzzzzr: Knoppix is not Debian. Ask the knoppix community. |
| 02:44.40 | CHVNX | oops |
| 02:45.40 | shay_shay | hahaha |
| 02:45.44 | shay_shay | that was yesterday |
| 02:45.49 | xecycle | dvs: I see, my mirror did not mirror the blu-ray one. |
| 02:45.53 | dvs | shay_shay: Well said! |
| 02:46.42 | dvs | xecycle: You'll probably need to get it via jigdo |
| 02:46.52 | dvs | shay_shay: That's exactly what I do. |
| 02:47.01 | xecycle | dvs: thanks, looking into it. |
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| 02:49.26 | CHVNX | oops |
| 02:49.58 | shay_shay | CHVNX: is everything okay? |
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| 02:51.52 | Nautilus | can someone point me to a good article about changing display res (I'm in a VM) |
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| 02:52.48 | shay_shay | Nautilus: virtualbox? |
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| 02:53.11 | Nautilus | yes, but oops, I just switched to scaled mode and the menu is gone |
| 02:53.15 | shay_shay | you might need to install the guest additions kernel module |
| 02:53.57 | Nautilus | any idea how I get to the VM menu to reset my scale? |
| 02:54.36 | shay_shay | right-ctrl+c |
| 02:54.55 | Nautilus | whew thanks. |
| 02:55.11 | shay_shay | thank goodness for google |
| 02:55.24 | Sevalecan | frickin' google |
| 02:55.27 | Nautilus | ah grin |
| 02:55.30 | Sevalecan | never wants to solve any of my problems |
| 02:55.32 | Sevalecan | :( |
| 02:56.05 | Nautilus | i tried googling about the screen res but theres so much, lots of it old, not sure what to do. |
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| 02:56.18 | shay_shay | Sevalecan: try quoting combinations of words which need to be in a specific order, also make full use of -keyword to only show pages which dont have keyword |
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| 02:56.44 | shay_shay | goes to #debian-offtopic now |
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| 02:58.14 | Nautilus | ah, I see guest additions, that's the words I needed :) |
| 02:59.16 | Nautilus | debian isn't officialy supported? Known to work though, I'm guessing? |
| 02:59.42 | shay_shay | debian doesnt install guest additions automatically |
| 03:00.06 | shay_shay | its kinda nice like that, it doesnt do things without asking you |
| 03:00.34 | Nautilus | well, the vbox manual page isnt saying 'installed' but 'officially supported' |
| 03:01.52 | shay_shay | I guess I didn't understand the question (still don't) |
| 03:02.38 | shay_shay | "Many other distributions are known to work with the Guest Additions." |
| 03:02.46 | shay_shay | ah, well, it works just as well as ubuntu |
| 03:02.55 | shay_shay | no differently in fact |
| 03:03.01 | Nautilus | just that the vbox site doesn't list debian as supported, though now I see they have a section especially for debian install steps. So it's probably semantics that caught me. |
| 03:03.33 | Nautilus | is this the best way to go about changing display res? installing a compiler and etc? |
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| 03:04.15 | shay_shay | Nautilus: you can install guest additions from apt-get, the only caveat is if your version of virtualbox is bleeding edge it could surpass the version of the guest additions |
| 03:04.35 | shay_shay | and the guest additions need to be equal or newer than the virtualbox version usually |
| 03:04.50 | shay_shay | but in practice it is rarely an issue |
| 03:05.36 | shay_shay | i find its faster to install the virtualbox-guest-dkms package than installing from the iso |
| 03:06.15 | Nautilus | just apt-get that? |
| 03:06.20 | shay_shay | yes |
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| 03:10.34 | Nautilus | ah, need to set up sudoers first |
| 03:15.59 | Nautilus | Unable to locate package virtualbox-guest-dkms |
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| 03:17.01 | shay_shay | its in non-free |
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| 03:20.05 | shay_shay | !non-free |
| 03:20.05 | dpkg | [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 03:20.26 | shay_shay | !non-free sources |
| 03:20.26 | dpkg | Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «aptitude update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>. |
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| 03:21.11 | Nautilus | thanks, trying to figure it out. |
| 03:21.24 | dvs | ??? |
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| 03:36.23 | Nautilus | I have the repository going and installed virtualbox-guest-dkms. Now I need to mount the Jessie iso (it's in my host fs) but am lost here too. |
| 03:37.09 | shay_shay | you just need to reboot the vm |
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| 03:38.20 | ChrisUlm_ | Trying to get nginx to run at startup. I issued the following command "sudo update-rc.d nginx enable" but it does not run at boot. Any ideas? |
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| 03:39.16 | Nautilus | actually, I'm in the middle of installing the dkms stuff, it wants this to finish |
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| 03:40.49 | Nautilus | how can I manual mount an external .iso for now, to finish that |
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| 03:45.11 | Nautilus | burning it to cd to see if it gets recognized automatically |
| 03:45.29 | shay_shay | Nautilus: if you got the dkms from apt-get you dont need the iso anymore |
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| 03:45.56 | shay_shay | but iso's are easy to mount with "mount -oloop file.iso dir" |
| 03:46.19 | Nautilus | the dkms install from apt-get is asking for the iso |
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| 03:47.11 | Nautilus | so get the file.iso into the VM fs? |
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| 03:48.28 | shay_shay | can you paste the exact message you saw suring the dkms install? |
| 03:49.03 | shay_shay | at paste.debian.net |
| 03:49.25 | Nautilus | ok |
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| 03:51.43 | Nautilus | paste.debian.net/177327 |
| 03:52.03 | ryouma | somiaj: when you thought that /vmlinuz was strange, it was not. the ... was my own. /proc/cmdline says the same thing on my working /dev/sdb as it does on my non-working /dev/sda, except for the partition name of course. on the non-working /dev/sda it says "BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-3.2.0-4-amd64 root=/dev/mapper/toshiba-root ro". http://paste.debian.net/177328/ |
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| 03:52.25 | Nautilus | maybe I should just comment out the iso in sources.list after all |
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| 03:53.04 | shay_shay | Nautilus: well you can insert the iso from the virtualbox menu |
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| 03:53.24 | shay_shay | theres a menu item somewhere that says "insert virtualbox guest additions" |
| 03:53.37 | Nautilus | oh right, that's what it wants? |
| 03:53.37 | shay_shay | it automatically downloads it and mounts it as a virtual drive |
| 03:53.52 | shay_shay | i guess so. it's new to me, |
| 03:54.17 | Nautilus | ah, no, it's asking for the jessie iso |
| 03:54.37 | shay_shay | oh, right |
| 03:54.39 | shay_shay | lol |
| 03:54.39 | Nautilus | I think if I take that line out of sources.list it'll look to the repos |
| 03:54.48 | shay_shay | yeah |
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| 03:58.43 | Nautilus | didnt seem to help, maybe it's not seeing the change yet :( |
| 03:59.13 | shay_shay | you need to do an "apt-get update" before it will see the change |
| 03:59.20 | Nautilus | is there a way I can abort the apt-get install cleanly, for a reboot? |
| 03:59.27 | Nautilus | oh trying that |
| 03:59.58 | shay_shay | well, you should be safe to ^C the install |
| 04:00.18 | shay_shay | since its a vm you should take advantage of snapshots |
| 04:00.35 | Nautilus | apt-get update is unable to lock the administration directory. |
| 04:00.57 | shay_shay | yeah because you have to ctrl+c the first instance of it first |
| 04:01.04 | riex | Hi. I run an web server, but on our website the characters Å,Æ,Ø is showed as questioned. How can i fix that issue?? |
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| 04:01.19 | shay_shay | apt-get can only run once |
| 04:01.33 | Nautilus | oh yep, the command ran after the ctrl-c |
| 04:02.19 | somiaj | ryouma: yea, using /vmlinuz something that was used with lilo to make changing kernels easy, it really isn't needed with grub, all my installs call the kernel directly in /boot/vmlinuz-version (so there is no messing with links) |
| 04:02.46 | somiaj | ryouma: but it should be /boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-4-amd64 |
| 04:03.23 | somiaj | ryouma: well that is what it is on all my debian boxes. |
| 04:04.04 | n0c | hey! so in aptitude, i pressed f like i usually do to dismiss the 'new packages' section to clean up the view -- kind of a habit.. but after doing it this time, I realized I'd actually like to browse it |
| 04:04.10 | n0c | is there any way to get it back or use apt-cache or something? I'm on testing and am curious what's in that release set of 'new' packages |
| 04:04.28 | Nautilus | shay_shay: that makes sense now, only one instance of apt-get. I'm not too quick in *nix |
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| 04:07.30 | Nautilus | shay: thanks so much! full-screen full-res working. |
| 04:07.46 | Nautilus | shay_shay: ^ |
| 04:07.52 | shay_shay | cool :) |
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| 04:08.12 | Nautilus | and it wont ask me for that pesky iso anymore :) |
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| 04:09.09 | shay_shay | Nautilus: you must have installed without a internet connection in the vm, because it usually comments out the cdrom if it has one |
| 04:09.24 | shay_shay | I'm guessing thats how it happens anyways |
| 04:09.55 | Nautilus | dont think so, and the internet connection is working. |
| 04:10.25 | Nautilus | but I did install from a local iso not the netinst |
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| 04:15.10 | ryouma | somiaj: yet i cannot boot |
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| 04:39.56 | dprc | n0c, i think are "gone" forever... |
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| 04:50.25 | dprc | at least from the easily browsable view. man page says 'aptitude search ~N' will show "new" pkgs but is prob not the same |
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| 04:57.39 | n0c | hm, thanks |
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| 05:04.44 | dprc | it reads from same binary database so baring keeping a rolling backup of the pkg cache, dont think it is recoverable once cleared |
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| 05:35.49 | noobdoge | so jessie dosen't use chkconfig? |
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| 05:39.17 | jelly | nudoge: correct. chkconfig wasn't a default tool even in previous releases which used sysvinit by default |
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| 05:40.06 | totesmuh1oats | hey guys |
| 05:40.37 | totesmuh1oats | i'm having a little bit of trouble figuring this out. i have a powermac g5, do I want to use the ppc or ppc64el debian? |
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| 05:44.19 | dprc | totesmuh1oats, use PPC. 64el is for big iron IBM POWER8 or newer |
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| 05:46.00 | dprc | https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/powerpc/ch02s01.html.en |
| 05:46.54 | elie2009_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:49.06 | dprc | elie2009_, it shows a chart of supported architectures and releases. can also review this to see G5 is ppc POWER4 and not IBM POWER8: https://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/inst/install.en.html |
| 05:49.58 | elie2009_ | ok dprc |
| 05:51.26 | totesmuh1oats | dprc: thanks |
| 05:51.50 | totesmuh1oats | dprc: it didn't say anything about that chip specifically, so i wasn't sure |
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| 07:05.43 | TyrfingMjolnir | Anyone got experience with this on Jessie? http://zfsonlinux.org/debian.html |
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| 07:25.59 | anddam | TyrfingMjolnir: what does that mean? |
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| 07:26.14 | TyrfingMjolnir | https://github.com/zfsonlinux/pkg-zfs/wiki/HOWTO-install-Debian-GNU-Linux-to-a-Native-ZFS-Root-Filesystem |
| 07:26.34 | TyrfingMjolnir | Booting from a zpool? |
| 07:26.44 | TyrfingMjolnir | Opposed to mounting a zpool from the OS |
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| 07:29.34 | anddam | where would the booted system reside? |
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| 07:31.30 | TyrfingMjolnir | on the zpool |
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| 07:39.40 | sobersabre | hi. I am on jessie and my machine is lenovo y50-70. for some reason 2 usb ports on it don't work. I'm not sure how to enable them. |
| 07:40.02 | sobersabre | sorry nicking |
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| 07:41.41 | anddam | TyrfingMjolnir: wouldn't that require ZFS be used in the booted kernel? |
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| 07:42.18 | sobersabre | hm.. |
| 07:42.24 | TyrfingMjolnir | by all means |
| 07:42.35 | sobersabre | lsusb shows everything. connecting any device doesn't do anything kern.log silent |
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| 07:44.43 | sobersabre | guys, is the usb 3 somehow not working on jessie ? |
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| 07:46.48 | anddam | sobersabre: it's working here, out of the box |
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| 07:58.37 | waqstar | Is creating a ramdisk really as simple as mount -t tmpfs -o size=2G tmpfs /mnt/ramdisk |
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| 08:00.55 | TyrfingMjolnir | :-( |
| 08:00.59 | atomtm | Hello guys ! Is there anyway I can use my computer as ntp server by sending its local time ( time zone and daylight included ) ? |
| 08:01.02 | TyrfingMjolnir | xreal: Embrace change |
| 08:01.30 | TyrfingMjolnir | ntpd? |
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| 08:02.33 | atomtm | TyrfingMjolnir, can you send your local time with ntpd ? |
| 08:02.39 | atomtm | or only utc |
| 08:02.39 | atomtm | ? |
| 08:03.17 | atomtm | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=862620 currently reading this |
| 08:03.29 | atomtm | but if you have any experience please let me know |
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| 08:10.22 | TyrfingMjolnir | http://linux.die.net/man/8/ntpd |
| 08:10.35 | TyrfingMjolnir | atomtm: Might be more in the direction you would like to go |
| 08:12.20 | atomtm | TyrfingMjolnir, Thank you very much |
| 08:13.09 | TyrfingMjolnir | Or just man ntpd |
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| 08:15.42 | jelly | atomtm: ntp uses UTC (or some other reference time) on the wire, and "local time" is just a representation for humans, can be configured differently (or samely) on each ntp client machine |
| 08:16.31 | jelly | atomtm: so yes you can use one machine as ntp server, and if your ntp clients all have the same timezone settings, they'll show same localtime |
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| 08:17.17 | waqstar | Ok created a tmpfs filesystem to use. Crazy speeds, dd shows 2.2GB/s. But any good writeup on how I can run iceweasel completely from ram? |
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| 08:18.06 | atomtm | jelly, the problem is that the clients don't have time zone settings |
| 08:19.16 | atomtm | jelly, so I would like to send the local time |
| 08:19.37 | jelly | /o\ |
| 08:19.42 | atomtm | jelly , as it is |
| 08:20.04 | jelly | that means you have to set the clock wrong on the ntp server :-) |
| 08:20.12 | atomtm | jelly , also not a setting for daylight saving |
| 08:20.47 | atomtm | jelly, also not an option they have to be in synch |
| 08:21.20 | jelly | I'd advise against doing it, and documenting the reasons... but that wasn't your question was it |
| 08:21.42 | atomtm | I just would like the server to send its local time on each clients request |
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| 08:22.39 | atomtm | yeap |
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| 08:22.50 | atomtm | need to send the time as it is |
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| 08:23.10 | frdmn | hello |
| 08:23.13 | jelly | atomtm: what you actually want is the server to send incorrect time with offset exactly opposite your local timezone, so that someone looking at the client sees a time stamp that looks like your localtime on the wall |
| 08:23.31 | atomtm | yes |
| 08:23.33 | frdmn | I have an sysVinit script that doesnt start on boot... however it works like a charm if I start/stop it manually |
| 08:23.36 | frdmn | nothing in syslog |
| 08:23.38 | frdmn | how can I debug this? |
| 08:23.55 | frdmn | the symlinks in rc.N exists |
| 08:24.03 | frdmn | (update-rc.d) |
| 08:24.30 | jelly | atomtm: that's silly (I don't think ntpd can do that, because it's silly). What kind of precision do you need? |
| 08:24.38 | atomtm | jelly , actually time zone is an option on the client , daylight saving is the problem |
| 08:25.30 | jelly | atomtm: so change the timezone setting twice a year :-( |
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| 08:26.08 | atomtm | jelly , you mean daylight savings |
| 08:26.14 | jelly | no |
| 08:26.30 | atomtm | jelly, not possible to many clients |
| 08:26.43 | jelly | I mean change the available setting to match local time zone, corresponding to daylight saving |
| 08:26.44 | atomtm | jelly, too* |
| 08:27.12 | jelly | atomtm: is this setting not configurable remotely? |
| 08:27.19 | jelly | if it is, automate it. |
| 08:27.43 | atomtm | jelly , I can 't the client devices are pretty dummy |
| 08:27.56 | jelly | abusing ntp to jump around twice a year is... unwise, to say the least |
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| 08:28.55 | jelly | atomtm: what devices are these? |
| 08:29.15 | atomtm | jelly , billing devices |
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| 08:29.26 | jelly | atomtm: I mean, brand name and model? |
| 08:29.31 | coffeecup | hey I can't get debian to boot of my usb |
| 08:29.39 | atomtm | jelly , can't give this info here .sorry |
| 08:29.57 | coffeecup | I get a error /arch/boot/x86 somethinig |
| 08:30.01 | coffeecup | can anyone help me |
| 08:30.42 | atomtm | jelly, but as for the ntp protocol you just send a timestamp don't you ? |
| 08:31.20 | atomtm | and if you use your local time as reference you are just using the ntp protocol to transfer it |
| 08:31.26 | atomtm | am I wrong ? |
| 08:31.50 | atomtm | jelly , I suppose it is like sending a UTP packet over the internet |
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| 08:32.38 | jelly | atomtm: it's a bit more complex than that, but yes. If you're happy with second resolution, you can wing it by scripting time jumps on your ntp server and use only its local clock as reference |
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| 08:33.06 | atomtm | jelly ,what do you mean by time jumps |
| 08:33.20 | atomtm | jelly , btw I appreciate your time |
| 08:33.26 | atomtm | jelly , thank you |
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| 08:35.47 | jelly | atomtm: set up your ntp server with only local clock as reference. Set up setting local clock with something else, eg. ntpdate, and restart ntp server after each sync. When daylight saving comes, make sure its local clock jumps an hour forward or backward and keep that offset for the duration of daylight saving. |
| 08:36.25 | jelly | atomtm: it's a horrible kludge. And you WILL have overlapping timestamps. |
| 08:36.41 | jelly | how sane that is for a billing purposes... |
| 08:36.52 | jelly | that's on you to decide |
| 08:36.55 | atomtm | jelly, I know that this is pretty stupid |
| 08:36.59 | atomtm | jelly , hahah |
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| 08:37.13 | atomtm | jelly , but believe me this is not my purposal |
| 08:37.23 | atomtm | jelly , I haven 't designed this at all |
| 08:37.38 | jelly | I'd tell them "can't be done" and put UTC everywhere :-) |
| 08:37.46 | atomtm | ++++ |
| 08:37.57 | atomtm | jelly , this would be the best option |
| 08:38.04 | atomtm | but not available |
| 08:38.16 | atomtm | jelly , they want local time |
| 08:38.19 | xreal | Where has aufs2-util gone in Jessie? |
| 08:38.25 | atomtm | with daylight settings |
| 08:38.43 | jelly | atomtm: because at some point in time someone's going to use your crazy ntp server for something else, and they're going to get hurt badly |
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| 08:39.15 | atomtm | jelly , how is that . This will be on a local network |
| 08:39.42 | jelly | they'll connect something else to that network, 2 years from now when you're gone |
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| 08:39.57 | peterrooney | atomtm: they will find a way |
| 08:40.28 | jelly | and they'll see "oh, there's a ntp server, nice" |
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| 08:41.10 | atomtm | peterrooney: for what ? |
| 08:41.26 | atomtm | jelly , it is a well known issue |
| 08:41.43 | atomtm | jelly , so I don't think they will forget |
| 08:41.59 | atomtm | peterrooney, for what? |
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| 08:45.50 | jelly | atomtm: so set up ntpd with local clock only, then set up a cron job to do (pseudocode): service ntp stop; date -s $(ntpdate -q some-sane-ntp-server) + daylight-saving-offset; service ntp start |
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| 08:46.27 | jelly | voila, now you have a crazy ntpd jumping around twice a year |
| 08:46.33 | waqstar | Done it by changign cache dir only. Boy, you lot are useless today :p |
| 08:46.34 | atomtm | jelly , hahaha |
| 08:46.54 | atomtm | jelly , I dont get why you have to stop the ntp |
| 08:47.08 | atomtm | pls forgive my ignorance I am new to all this |
| 08:47.17 | jelly | atomtm: because it doesn't like when something else messes with local clock |
| 08:47.36 | tombee | How does one go about finding a laptop that's available to buy.. that would be a kick-ass Debian desktop environment? :) |
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| 08:48.06 | jelly | atomtm: other implementations of ntp service (openntpd or chrony) might be more forgiving, I don't know |
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| 08:48.43 | jelly | atomtm: if a customer of mine wanted something like this, I'd change them double just for the insanity |
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| 08:49.00 | atomtm | jelly , I will check these now . Can you give me a reference for the pseudocode ? How could this be implemented ? Bash? |
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| 08:49.12 | jelly | however you want |
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| 08:50.35 | atomtm | jelly , to set the ntpd with local clock only do I have to edit the ntp .conf file ? |
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| 08:50.43 | jelly | atomtm: yes |
| 08:50.48 | atomtm | cool |
| 08:51.00 | atomtm | but still this would be the utc time of my machine no ? |
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| 08:51.39 | jelly | atomtm: doesn't matter, as long as you feed the clients what they want |
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| 08:52.00 | jelly | "local time" is just a representation for humans |
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| 08:53.33 | atomtm | jelly , ok |
| 08:54.03 | atomtm | jelly , let me chek openntpd and chrony |
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| 08:54.13 | frdmn | erm, guys. I need urgent help |
| 08:54.28 | frdmn | I edited "/etc/init.d/init" and now my server doesnt come up anymore: |
| 08:54.40 | jelly | frdmn: this is a volunteer provided services. Please stand by. |
| 08:55.23 | jelly | frdmn: which debian release is this installation? |
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| 08:56.08 | frdmn | jelly: I am aware of that, I just messed up and need a tip to fix it... |
| 08:56.34 | frdmn | added "exec 1>/tmp/init.log 2>&1" in the "/etc/ini.d/init" file, now it doesnt boot, because it can't create /tmp/init.log in that boot phase |
| 08:56.38 | frdmn | (read only file system) |
| 08:56.41 | frdmn | I am on squeeze |
| 08:56.55 | frdmn | i just need to get rid of that line.. however, I cant save the file since its read only |
| 08:57.05 | jelly | frdmn: mount -o remount,rw / |
| 08:57.10 | frdmn | how do I restore my "/etc/init.d/init"? |
| 08:57.16 | frdmn | jelly: thanks! let me try that |
| 08:57.30 | frdmn | brb, rushing back into the data-center |
| 08:57.38 | jelly | there is no "/etc/init.d/init" by default in squeeze |
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| 08:58.21 | frdmn | did that file perhaps exist in older versions? could be a release upgraded system |
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| 08:59.32 | VsyachePuz | How to determine which program is clipboard manager in the system? |
| 09:00.00 | jelly | frdmn: nope |
| 09:00.25 | frdmn | jelly: I was talking about /etc/init.d/rc |
| 09:00.27 | frdmn | my bad... |
| 09:00.51 | frdmn | also: I could save the file and it seems like the system is booting again |
| 09:00.53 | jelly | I we wnat to know why you'd want to mess with it |
| 09:00.55 | frdmn | :) |
| 09:01.02 | jelly | Do we want to know why you'd want to mess with it |
| 09:01.12 | frdmn | because I want to debug a sysVinit script which fails silently |
| 09:01.24 | jelly | add set -x at the beginning? |
| 09:01.26 | frdmn | thought it was a good idea to set a file descriptor in there |
| 09:01.30 | frdmn | apparently... it wasnt |
| 09:01.46 | frdmn | jelly: the script isnt executed at all... |
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| 09:02.11 | jelly | frdmn: is it executable? Is the /etc/rc2.d/S??name symlink in place? |
| 09:02.21 | frdmn | yes, both |
| 09:02.26 | frdmn | let me show you: |
| 09:02.31 | jelly | !paste |
| 09:02.31 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 09:02.56 | jelly | frdmn: also, does it have a sane #! line? |
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| 09:04.06 | frdmn | jelly: http://paste.frd.mn/uvemi |
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| 09:05.25 | jelly | frdmn: the default apache2 init script? |
| 09:05.36 | frdmn | jelly: yes, from the PPA package |
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| 09:06.03 | frdmn | jelly: also already did a "apt-get --reinstall install apache2" |
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| 09:06.51 | ChrisH | frdmn: can you show an apt-cache policy apache2 please |
| 09:07.06 | jelly | frdmn: ppa package?? |
| 09:07.41 | jelly | frdmn: "apt-cache policy apache2.2-common apache2-mpm-prefock apache2; apt-cache policy" |
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| 09:07.48 | jelly | argh. |
| 09:07.52 | jelly | frdmn: "apt-cache policy apache2.2-common apache2-mpm-prefork apache2; apt-cache policy" |
| 09:08.05 | frdmn | jelly: Personal Package Archive, meant the apt package |
| 09:08.25 | frdmn | jelly: ChrisH: http://paste.frd.mn/novah |
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| 09:09.05 | Mimiko | hello |
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| 09:09.20 | Mimiko | I receive this error: dmfe: big packet = 1518 |
| 09:09.32 | Mimiko | How I can find on which interface this is happening? |
| 09:09.32 | jelly | frdmn: you don't have any PPA repos in place and that's just a regular version from Debian 6, thankfully |
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| 09:10.22 | frdmn | jelly: ah, explains the "personal" :P |
| 09:10.34 | frdmn | I use the regular one |
| 09:10.54 | jelly | frdmn: does the service start if you run "/etc/init.d/apache2 start" later after boot? |
| 09:11.06 | frdmn | yeah, starts totally fine |
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| 09:11.31 | frdmn | thats why I wanted to debug the init launch in general (hence the addition in /etc/init.d/rc earlier which broke the boot procesS) |
| 09:12.13 | jelly | frdmn: so, you don't see the Starting apache... line on the console in the boot process at all? |
| 09:12.35 | frdmn | the thing is, its not only the apache2 service... also cron, proftpd and postfix doesnt want to start automatically either |
| 09:12.44 | frdmn | but starts fine on manual invoke |
| 09:12.57 | frdmn | jelly: nope, nothing in the console/syslog |
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| 09:14.15 | jelly | frdmn: can you enable |
| 09:14.18 | jelly | !bootlogd |
| 09:14.19 | dpkg | bootlogd is used to record boot messages to /var/log/boot. For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later releases, install the bootlogd package to enable. In Debian 6.0 "Squeeze", bootlogd is provided by the sysvinit-utils package; set BOOTLOGD_ENABLE=Yes in /etc/default/bootlogd to enable. |
| 09:15.01 | frdmn | jelly: sure! just did and rebooted, waiting for the machine to come back |
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| 09:18.10 | frdmn | jelly: nothing related to the issue: http://paste.frd.mn/ecisa |
| 09:18.11 | frdmn | :/ |
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| 09:19.51 | jelly | frdmn: no mention of cron, postfix or proftpd |
| 09:19.53 | ChrisH | frdmn: frim line 29 does /var/lock exists? |
| 09:20.33 | jelly | ChrisH: nice catch. /var/lock/subsys does _not_ exist on Debian |
| 09:21.15 | ChrisH | frdmn: and I did not check it all, startuplink are in place? Did you test them via /etc/rc*/SXXapache*? |
| 09:21.33 | frdmn | ChrisH: it exists |
| 09:21.45 | frdmn | its just the one file for netvault start/stop service that doesn't |
| 09:21.54 | jelly | frdmn: how about ls -ld /etc/rc2.d/* |
| 09:22.05 | frdmn | I already gave you the output for that earlier |
| 09:22.07 | frdmn | second: |
| 09:22.25 | frdmn | http://paste.frd.mn/eyuzo |
| 09:23.00 | frdmn | postfix, cron, apache2 and proftpd... all there |
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| 09:24.48 | jelly | frdmn: so it stops somewhere at S18 |
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| 09:25.02 | jelly | blames webmin |
| 09:25.31 | jelly | frdmn: mv /etc/rc2.d/S18usermin /etc/rc2.d/s18usermin && mv /etc/rc2.d/S18webmin /etc/rc2.d/s18webmin ... and reboot again |
| 09:25.48 | ChrisH | ps -eflH and chcked what might still be running |
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| 09:27.19 | jelly | also I'm slightly surprised that bootlogd worked :-) |
| 09:27.37 | frdmn | may I ask why? |
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| 09:29.03 | jelly | never does for me when I need it |
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| 09:32.21 | taylanub | I shortly tried bootlogd before upgrading to systemd, and it failed to log all messages :\ |
| 09:32.39 | taylanub | BTW how can I view the boot logs with systemd? (didn't need it again but would like to know) |
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| 09:36.08 | frdmn | jelly: nope, again no luck: |
| 09:36.08 | frdmn | http://paste.frd.mn/vagob |
| 09:36.41 | frdmn | ls -ld /etc/rc2.d/*: http://paste.frd.mn/mukir |
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| 09:37.16 | jelly | frdmn: oh well. "pstree -A" (or what ChrisH asked) |
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| 09:37.30 | frdmn | jelly: http://paste.frd.mn/kehif |
| 09:37.49 | frdmn | and ps -eflH: http://paste.frd.mn/cozuz |
| 09:37.58 | jelly | and there you go, redis-server init script never finishes |
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| 09:38.25 | frdmn | :o |
| 09:38.50 | frdmn | superb! |
| 09:38.51 | frdmn | thanks a ton |
| 09:39.01 | jelly | (restore the *min symlinks to uppercase S) |
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| 09:39.05 | frdmn | yeah :) |
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| 09:54.05 | ideb | hi, my libreoffice is broken. i'm running XFCE. i can't start it. what could be the cause, can't find a thing. i purged/autoremoved already a couple of times. |
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| 09:55.31 | ideb | gnome and kde are both broken as well. don't know why (don't care atm) but I got libreoffice installed, not -gnome or -kde pkg |
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| 09:56.46 | SynrGy | ideb: your "don't know why (don't care atm)" is possibly a dangerous attitude to take. if your issue is systemic (i.e. whole system is broken) and you try to solve the libreoffice issue, you'll waste time chasing the wrong issue. |
| 09:57.54 | SynrGy | let's start with what changed recently. is your system fully up-to-date? did you only just recently install libreoffice? |
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| 10:07.38 | SynrGy | ideb: since you didn't seem to stick around for an answer and i haven't the patience/time to wait, here's my guess: your whole system is broken, possibly because you didn't realize jessie is now stable and testing is now stretch and you had 'stable' or 'testing' in your sources.list. then you installed libreoffice and it caused a partial upgrade to jessie (if you were on 'stable') or stretch (if you were on |
| 10:07.44 | SynrGy | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:07.47 | SynrGy | ... gnome and kde all at once. however, that's a lot of assumptions ... so it's important you answer my questions above. |
| 10:08.01 | SynrGy | ideb: also, it would be useful to see 'apt-cache policy', 'apt-cache policy libreoffice' and the contents of sources.list at paste.debian.net, please |
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| 10:09.15 | SynrGy | *if* my guesses were correct, different remedial action would be required depending on whether you had 'stable' or 'testing' in your sources.list and what the desired outcome (to stay on stable, or stay on testing) is for you. |
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| 10:16.36 | Guest4790 | Hello. In kenrel log I receive: dmfe: big packet = 1518 How can I find which adapter have the issue? |
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| 10:18.58 | ChrisH | Guest4790: putting "dmfe: big packet = 1518 " into google shows me DEC Tulip driver and VLAN, sounds like a virtualized box |
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| 10:20.38 | Mimiko^_^ | ChrisH, no, its not a virtual box. Its a dedicated server with multiple interfaces |
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| 10:22.04 | anddam | i just performed a new jessie netinstall, I wonder why while using guided partitioning and assigning the whole disc to the debian systme the installer picks a somehow small size for root fs |
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| 10:22.52 | jelly | anddam: guided partition defaults are silly; is this a server or a workstation type system? |
| 10:23.05 | anddam | also I see it created a 256 MB partition mounted on /boot, this is separated from ESP right? |
| 10:23.25 | anddam | jelly: no, just a desktop to play with |
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| 10:23.32 | anddam | i.e. workstation |
| 10:23.46 | jelly | anddam: then screw all that and set up a single large partition |
| 10:23.57 | anddam | home and all? |
| 10:23.58 | anddam | tempting |
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| 10:24.28 | anddam | I was goign to use several different oses but after last struggles with uefi support from my firmware and from other systems I decided to go virtualized |
| 10:24.38 | anddam | so base system is a debian and then either kvm or vbox |
| 10:24.39 | jelly | separate your /home if you think you'd ever want a different linux with same /home, or if you do wipes and fresh installs of Linux OS instead release upgrades |
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| 10:24.58 | anddam | jelly: that was my guess |
| 10:25.10 | jelly | but since you'll have backups, (RIGHT??) you don't even need a separate /home mountpoint |
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| 10:25.31 | anddam | does it make sense to have separate partitions for guest vm or should I use file for their drives? |
| 10:25.36 | anddam | jelly: i will have backup |
| 10:25.55 | anddam | can logical volumes on LVM be shrink/expanded' |
| 10:25.57 | anddam | ? |
| 10:26.01 | jelly | yes |
| 10:26.26 | jelly | shrinking is an offline proces for ext3-4 and impossible for xfs. expanding can be done online. |
| 10:26.41 | anddam | but I should create the PV beforehand right? |
| 10:26.45 | jelly | if you're comfortable with LVM go ahead |
| 10:26.56 | anddam | I'm using this as excuse to try it |
| 10:27.01 | anddam | I never used it before |
| 10:27.19 | anddam | AFAIR I can expand/reduce a VG |
| 10:28.09 | anddam | but if I'm going to split GPT partitions later I should probably create a placeholder now |
| 10:28.10 | jelly | that too |
| 10:28.31 | anddam | i.e.use a separate partition for the last 100GB of the disc |
| 10:28.44 | anddam | that I figure i could use to try native system installs |
| 10:28.49 | ChrisH | anddam: extending a VG and LVs is no problem. shrinking is allways tricky and might not work allways. So my recommendation is setup smaller filesystems and keep spare space in the VG to increase later |
| 10:29.17 | anddam | so i can create a PV on that now and attaching to the VG, but a later time I'll be able to detach the PV from the VG, destroy the pv and repartition the space in GPT |
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| 10:29.40 | anddam | ChrisH: roughly what I had in mind |
| 10:30.04 | jelly | anddam: sure, if you give the VG a second PV and pvmove all data off it. If you destroy the last PV in a VG you lose data. |
| 10:30.05 | anddam | my idea is to create dedicate GPT partitions for gues vms and eventually be able to reboot into those |
| 10:30.18 | anddam | jelly: not the last PV, ofc |
| 10:30.50 | anddam | i'll keep a "main" PV with debian and home, and a placeholder PV with which I'd like to extend logical volume for home |
| 10:31.12 | anddam | is LVM crypto worth it? |
| 10:31.29 | anddam | can I encrypt just home? it seems to encrypt the whole lVm |
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| 10:33.50 | jelly | dunno, I have LUKS below LVM |
| 10:34.54 | jelly | if your CPU is aes-ni capable you shouldn't see a lot of performance degradation with luks |
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| 10:36.04 | anddam | nope |
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| 10:38.55 | Mimiko^_^ | ChrisH, is there a command to find which interface receives or try to send such a packet? |
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| 10:40.43 | ChrisH | Mimiko^_^: lshw -short and there might be one lsmod option to show the interface/module commbination... but I am unsure now |
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| 10:46.01 | Mimiko^_^ | ChrisH: lshw no such command ( |
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| 10:47.35 | anddam | ok, two considerations: 1) I manage to screw current setup 2) graphical installer is quite uncomfortable and I prefer ncurses |
| 10:49.07 | B[]rG | http://imgur.com/gallery/aXw6q |
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| 10:51.12 | z8z | Since last upgrade to jessie my usb ports behavious became weird... they can recognise external harddrives once every 10 times |
| 10:51.23 | z8z | is this problem happening to someone else? |
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| 10:54.33 | jelly | B[]rG: uh.. wrong channel? |
| 10:54.52 | B[]rG | not really, it's just fascinant |
| 10:56.30 | jelly | every time someone quiet posts an imgur link with no comment I fear goatse |
| 10:57.44 | jelly | so hey, pleasant surprise. But try #debian-offtopic next time maybe |
| 10:57.56 | xreal | Does "/tmp" get cleaned on boot or is it because it's tmpfs? |
| 10:58.28 | jelly | xreal: if it's tmpfs, it doesn't exist on disk |
| 10:58.54 | xreal | jelly: actually, it exists on my PC, since I installed it with debootstrap and missed tmpfs :D |
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| 10:59.06 | B[]rG | ok jelly |
| 10:59.11 | B[]rG | good to know |
| 11:01.59 | jelly | xreal: then look at TMPTIME in /etc/default/rcS |
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| 11:02.13 | anddam | jelly: maybe |
| 11:02.24 | anddam | jelly: but now i'm looking https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiWJZEZX4Ak while install continues |
| 11:02.35 | xreal | jelly: I'll just add it to fstab :) |
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| 11:03.16 | jelly | xreal: nooo, look at RAMTMP in /etc/default/tmpfs instead |
| 11:03.17 | jelly | :-) |
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| 11:05.44 | xreal | jelly: Seems like I was wrong. /tmp got removed after reboot :D |
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| 11:06.28 | xreal | but it's not listed in /proc/mounts |
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| 11:20.07 | deathleff | hi there, whats up with security.debian.org? its not reachable for days besides its a default entry of jessies sources.list. |
| 11:20.20 | deathleff | did i miss a memo? :) |
| 11:21.01 | Fjorgynn | I like that |
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| 11:32.39 | zeto28 | I vaguely remember debian policy mandating that software should be written so that edits to a file would never be written over the old contents; instead a temporary copy was to be used and then renamed so that in case of an error the user would at least retain one integrous copy. However, I can no longer find where this rule was written, or whether it has ever existed at all. Can someone point there? TIA. |
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| 11:38.31 | taylanub | why does apt-get autoremove not remove an auto-installed package that is only suggested by another package? 'apt-cache rdepends --no-suggests --installed openssh-server' yields nothing, and I ran 'apt-mark auto openssh-server', yet 'apt-get autoremove' will not remove it |
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| 11:39.21 | taylanub | never mind, apparently that's just how the default configuration is :\ |
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| 12:12.00 | knosys | hello guys |
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| 12:13.07 | knosys | I have just installed debian with /tmp in a separated partition of 500MB .. and now Im getting message "/tmp" is full |
| 12:13.21 | knosys | I think i will reinstall OS, how many size should I allocate to /tmp? |
| 12:13.38 | ksk | knosys: that depends ;) |
| 12:13.49 | knosys | well.. it dont |
| 12:14.13 | ksk | If you ask like that Id reccomend using what the installer recommends for you |
| 12:14.43 | knosys | what do you think i would use a computer for? |
| 12:14.56 | knosys | i mean.. if streaming a video needs more than 500MB |
| 12:15.21 | knosys | Its regular home use PC |
| 12:15.25 | ksk | but.. a video stream would never use /tmp to save its data, but your users-profile path for $browser |
| 12:15.35 | ksk | like /home/$user/appdata/chrome/foo/ |
| 12:16.06 | knosys | then why Is it getting full? weird.. |
| 12:16.17 | knosys | that is all ive done |
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| 12:16.22 | ksk | knosys: go to /tmp and take a look |
| 12:16.36 | knosys | kk thanks |
| 12:16.39 | ksk | maybe you removed the tmp-reaper(the thingy that cleans tmp after a reboot) |
| 12:17.07 | knosys | when i try to [TAB] in command line i get this error |
| 12:17.14 | ksk | like, open a shell; type "cd /tmp; ls -l" to move to /tmp and get a file listing |
| 12:17.18 | knosys | bash: cannot create temp file for here-document: No space left on device |
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| 12:17.48 | ksk | thats because your rootfilesystem or your /home is full, and bash cannot place a tempfile |
| 12:18.02 | ksk | issue an "df -h" or use a graphical thingy to take a look at your disk usage |
| 12:18.10 | knosys | a wireshark file there... very big |
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| 12:19.18 | knosys | no, only thing full is /tmp |
| 12:20.34 | knosys | ksk: Its all caused by a wireshark file... do you know a tip to avoid this in the future? |
| 12:21.15 | Malinux | what is this, and how do I prevent my dmesg to be filled with this messages?: http://paste.debian.net/177499/ |
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| 12:24.07 | knosys | ksk: thanks actually you were helpful |
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| 12:25.08 | z8z | How to disable the damn automount in Jessie' |
| 12:25.10 | z8z | ? |
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| 12:25.35 | Brigo | Malinux, check your fstab, it looks like it's full of lines useless. |
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| 12:28.07 | Malinux | Brigo: how do I identify an useless line? |
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| 12:29.30 | Malinux | however, this is my fstab |
| 12:29.34 | Malinux | http://paste.debian.net/177544/ |
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| 12:34.40 | ChrisH | Malinux: first impression of that fstab was: There was someone acting now knowing what he wants or does.... Why are there those bind-mounts? |
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| 12:38.25 | Malinux | ChrisH: well, as far as I can see, one of the bindmounts is written in wrong order. There are bindmounts, because I use bindmounts |
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| 12:39.02 | z8z | guys i need help to understand why i removed tracker-store app from startup and instead i see it working for the first time XD |
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| 13:00.43 | Brigo | Malinux, try to find de devices with ls, for example ls /raid/crashplan |
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| 13:04.32 | DingoSaar | Has somebody else made the experience that since the upgrade to Jessie, apache2 behind a reverse proxy nginx does no longer log the real IP address? |
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| 13:10.17 | RoyK | any idea where I can find out how systemd deals with mounts? apparently it throws a lot of errors for bind mounts in /etc/fstab - I see there's something about .mount files, but not where to put them or if I need to reload systemd somehow |
| 13:10.25 | RoyK | is lost in systemd land |
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| 13:11.09 | Eduard_Munteanu | Doesn't cdebootstrap have a --components option? How do you install packages from contrib or non-free? |
| 13:11.11 | somiaj | RoyK: the release notes for jessie describe some issues about how systemd deals with mounts in /etc/fstab that is different than in wheezy, you should go read about it. |
| 13:11.58 | somiaj | Eduard_Munteanu: I see it in the man page, though I personally just chroot into after I run debootstrap, modify the sources.list and isntall what I need. |
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| 13:12.29 | Eduard_Munteanu | Hm, then maybe --help is outdated. |
| 13:12.31 | Eduard_Munteanu | tries |
| 13:12.39 | zoldyck_clone | RoyK: you can put .mount units in /etc/systemd/systemd and then enable them (systemctl enable), mount units a re also generated by a generator |
| 13:12.45 | zoldyck_clone | see systemd.generator |
| 13:13.00 | zoldyck_clone | oh wait debian's systemd is too old, it might not have the man page |
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| 13:13.38 | somiaj | Eduard_Munteanu: --components=alpha,beta "Use packages from the listed components of the archive." is what the man page says, |
| 13:14.13 | zoldyck_clone | quick fix: /etc/systemd/system |
| 13:14.18 | somiaj | zoldyck_clone: the biggest issue that the release notes mentions is how systemd will have troubles if there are mounts in /etc/fstab that can't be mounted. |
| 13:14.20 | Eduard_Munteanu | somiaj, weird, cdebootstrap-static reject --components=alpha,beta |
| 13:14.30 | Eduard_Munteanu | *rejects |
| 13:15.13 | Eduard_Munteanu | somiaj, cdebootstrap 0.6.4 -- what version are you using? |
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| 13:17.43 | somiaj | Eduard_Munteanu: I have debootstrap and was just reading the man page, I haven't tried cdebootstrap, also versions won't match 1.0.67 is debootstrap on my system |
| 13:17.53 | teraflop | zoldyck_clone: yeah youll miss more than a couple of man pages if youre used to e.g systemd 219-6 |
| 13:18.14 | Eduard_Munteanu | Ah. |
| 13:18.23 | ChrisH | RoyK: you are the second today with bind mounts in fstab. I never saw them in real life. What are you using bind mounts for? I only used/saw it inside chroot() stuff, for anything else a ln -s or a dedicated lvol was used. |
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| 13:19.02 | RoyK | http://paste.debian.net/177559/ <-- can't make bind mounts work the systemd way - any ideas? |
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| 13:21.21 | RoyK | ChrisH: it's a friend's server - it's nice if you want to store something on your bir raid and keep the original paths |
| 13:21.35 | RoyK | ChrisH: I used to use them - I don't use them too much anymore, though |
| 13:23.55 | RoyK | ChrisH: ln -s doesn't always work - not all software follow symlinks for various reasons |
| 13:24.41 | RoyK | ChrisH: anyway - it's been a feature in linux for years, so removing that feature because of bad fstab parsing isn't too good |
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| 13:24.42 | anddam | I'm trying to figure what the wireless-mode should be from https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#Command_Line |
| 13:25.03 | anddam | iwscan shows the AP that has "Master" but that's unlikely to be what i want since the computer isn't the master |
| 13:25.46 | anddam | I followed man for interfaces, through if-pre-up.d/wireless-tools and I see the mode is passwed to iwconfig, then iwconfig(8) shows me a list of possible modes |
| 13:25.54 | anddam | but that doesn't really help in picking one |
| 13:26.19 | anddam | I want a network setup that is independent of an eventual DE |
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| 13:26.49 | anddam | right now I setup the wlan0 stanza with its wpa psk lines, I can pull up the interfaces and reach the internet |
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| 13:27.33 | anddam | but I get "Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06): SET Failed on device wlan0 : Invalid Argument" |
| 13:27.37 | anddam | with either Master or Auto |
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| 13:28.09 | anddam | I'm getting that either using ifup or "iwconfig wlan0 mode <MODE>" |
| 13:28.18 | anddam | pretty obviously since the former uses the latter |
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| 13:30.58 | roberth1990 | hm I have a python based program which isn't able to find the module which is installed |
| 13:31.21 | roberth1990 | it worked a while a go and after testing another distro, and going back to debian. it doesnt work anymore |
| 13:31.36 | anddam | roberth1990: check sys.path |
| 13:31.51 | roberth1990 | http://paste.debian.net/plain/177561 |
| 13:31.53 | anddam | roberth1990: but your lines weren't totally clear |
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| 13:32.05 | roberth1990 | anddam: sys.path? |
| 13:33.00 | anddam | roberth1990: it's not that it cannot find a module, AFAICT you didn't import pyplot |
| 13:33.56 | roberth1990 | anddam: I have written the program |
| 13:33.59 | roberth1990 | *havent |
| 13:34.18 | anddam | I see it's https://github.com/simon-r/dr14_t.meter/ |
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| 13:34.57 | anddam | have you installed matplotlib? |
| 13:35.03 | roberth1990 | yes |
| 13:35.15 | roberth1990 | I use the stable version which is still on python 2 |
| 13:35.28 | anddam | proof |
| 13:35.36 | anddam | python -c 'import matplotlib' |
| 13:36.10 | roberth1990 | no output |
| 13:36.32 | anddam | echo $? |
| 13:36.43 | anddam | but that means it went through |
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| 13:36.59 | anddam | python -c 'import matplotlib.pyplot' |
| 13:37.21 | Eduard_Munteanu | wishes dpkg could simply be told to install to a different root and different package DB |
| 13:37.38 | Eduard_Munteanu | I don't understand this huge hack (c)debootstrap. |
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| 13:37.42 | roberth1990 | anddam: http://paste.debian.net/plain/177564 |
| 13:37.51 | themill | Eduard_Munteanu: it can be... it's the maintainer scripts that won't work. (chroot exists for a reason) |
| 13:38.39 | anddam | roberth1990: congratulations, you have an error |
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| 13:39.03 | roberth1990 | anddam: orly? :P |
| 13:39.21 | anddam | roberth1990: yes, you don't have _tkinter, and that's very odd |
| 13:39.34 | Eduard_Munteanu | themill, are you sure? If that was the case, one could simply call apt-get for the base system with maintainer scripts disabled, then chroot and trigger them, but I'm not sure dpkg can do that. |
| 13:39.34 | anddam | since it's shipped along with python |
| 13:39.43 | roberth1990 | anddam: okay? |
| 13:39.55 | anddam | roberth1990: python --version, you may be mixing python2 and 3 |
| 13:39.58 | themill | Eduard_Munteanu: that's essentially what debootstrap does |
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| 13:39.59 | anddam | tkinter got renamed |
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| 13:40.40 | Eduard_Munteanu | themill, AFAIK, it does a lot more: dependency resolution, it mangles a dpkg database by itself and other weird stuff. |
| 13:40.53 | roberth1990 | anddam: Python 2.7.9 |
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| 13:41.03 | anddam | anyone about the wifi thingy? can I leave wireless-mode out? |
| 13:41.15 | themill | Eduard_Munteanu: sure. It's normally running where there's no apt or dpkg to be used |
| 13:41.19 | Eduard_Munteanu | (By the way, maintainer scripts are *AWFUL* semantics for packaging. :() |
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| 13:41.29 | Eduard_Munteanu | Ah, makes sense. |
| 13:41.49 | themill | Eduard_Munteanu: yep. The best maintainer scripts are non-existent but that doesn't mean they can all be removed |
| 13:42.20 | anddam | roberth1990: python -c 'import _tkinter' |
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| 13:42.23 | Eduard_Munteanu | themill, IMO a better design would install the scripts in some known location and trigger them out-of-band. |
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| 13:42.47 | themill | You'd need to define what that means... that's how I'd describe their use |
| 13:43.02 | roberth1990 | anddam: http://paste.debian.net/plain/177570 |
| 13:44.12 | themill | that's some seriously ugly python code |
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| 13:44.58 | RoyK | seems bind mounting in jessie is rather on the far-out-side |
| 13:44.59 | anddam | roberth1990: have you followed what the error told you? |
| 13:45.04 | anddam | roberth1990: dpkg -l python-tk\* |
| 13:45.14 | anddam | themill: which one? |
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| 13:45.24 | themill | dr14meter. |
| 13:45.32 | Eduard_Munteanu | themill, it could fully-install packages, then a cron job or a daemon could process manpage triggers. I can't really think of a package that really needs to run these scripts during installation, as opposed to first start of a service etc. |
| 13:45.32 | RoyK | mount doesn't report what's mounted, just the filesystem on wherever 'what' resides. it also doesn't report that it's a bind mount in 'mount' output |
| 13:45.40 | roberth1990 | anddam: I have no idea what it told me, I dont know python.... |
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| 13:46.14 | themill | Eduard_Munteanu: most maintainer scripts are doing something more important and more essential than building mandb |
| 13:46.16 | Eduard_Munteanu | And if they're idempotent, even better. |
| 13:46.21 | themill | they are |
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| 13:47.16 | Eduard_Munteanu | themill, sure, think of SSH for example, which generates keys in package scripts. It could easily do so during the first start of the service, or some such. |
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| 13:47.34 | roberth1990 | anddam: http://paste.debian.net/plain/177572 |
| 13:47.41 | themill | Well the services is going to get started immediately anyway... |
| 13:47.43 | Eduard_Munteanu | (In fact, I've seen other distros do that.) |
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| 13:48.01 | Eduard_Munteanu | themill, not if (cross-)debootstrapping. |
| 13:48.47 | Eduard_Munteanu | What I mean is it's pretty awful you have to run package code to install a package, instead of simply unpacking it and recording metadata somewhere. |
| 13:49.05 | themill | well that's the difference between "unpack" and "install" |
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| 13:51.08 | anddam | themill: yea, I liked the import block in a catch-all try:except: |
| 13:51.25 | anddam | roberth1990: it told you to install python-tk package |
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| 13:51.56 | anddam | that, as you can see in your output, isn't |
| 13:52.02 | roberth1990 | anddam: oh |
| 13:52.38 | roberth1990 | anddam: ah thanks that worked :) |
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| 13:59.10 | anddam | roberth1990: yay for reading output! |
| 13:59.16 | anddam | waves miniature flag |
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| 13:59.54 | roberth1990 | anddam: the output is greek to me :( |
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| 14:02.22 | anddam | it was actually pretty plain english |
| 14:02.23 | be32 | Hey guys, using the nvidia blobright after isntall the system hangs on boot, I cant use ctrl alt f1 or enter recovery mode |
| 14:02.31 | anddam | there was a "please install python-tk package" somewhere |
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| 14:02.37 | anddam | that's where i got the hint |
| 14:02.54 | anddam | also you could be greek and the thing would have a whole different meaning |
| 14:02.58 | roberth1990 | anddam: oh that got lost when I got overwhelmed by greek... |
| 14:03.16 | roberth1990 | anddam: well I am not :P |
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| 14:27.14 | BGenc | good evening, ladies and gentlemen! |
| 14:27.55 | BGenc | Is it appropriate to ask a question in this channel? |
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| 14:28.58 | BGenc | Hi to all! |
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| 14:29.24 | BGenc | Anyone alive? |
| 14:29.34 | Krakakanok | hi BGenc |
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| 14:29.43 | BGenc | Hi Krakakanok |
| 14:30.05 | BGenc | Do you know how can i bridge my ethernet to another ethernet? |
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| 14:31.19 | Krakakanok | see this BGenc https://wiki.debian.org/BridgeNetworkConnections |
| 14:32.13 | dokma | anyone knows if a pipe can receive data if only one side is open? |
| 14:32.22 | BGenc | I'll surely check! thanks a lot! |
| 14:32.59 | jelly | dokma: named pipe? I think it accepts a small buffer (8KiB?) then blocks further writes |
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| 14:33.24 | dokma | jelly, yes a named pipe |
| 14:33.49 | dokma | so it is possible to have one process write something to a named pipe even though there is no process attached to it for reading ? |
| 14:33.59 | jelly | yes, try it. |
| 14:34.13 | dokma | I am trying it with PHP and something is a bit off... |
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| 14:34.43 | dokma | one PHP process it continually writting to a named pipe and on the other end there is a long poll that is supposed to read it |
| 14:34.51 | dokma | but something is a bit fishy |
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| 14:35.24 | jelly | dokma: mkfifo foo; ( echo "lol" >> foo; sleep 30; echo "bar" >> foo ) & sleep 2; tail -f foo |
| 14:35.47 | jelly | dokma: see how lol is there. |
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| 14:37.09 | DelphiWorld | yo all |
| 14:37.39 | DelphiWorld | how to remove a package, forcing dpkg to kick all conf file, with the pocibility to restore original config on next install? purge isn't enough |
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| 14:39.01 | jelly | DelphiWorld: if purge isn't enough, you're purging the wrong package. |
| 14:39.05 | anddam | while installing lxde on a system without any DE should I care about installing task-desktop as well' |
| 14:39.12 | anddam | s/'/? |
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| 14:39.30 | DelphiWorld | jelly: sory. if i purge a package and reinstall it, i'm not getting original files |
| 14:39.32 | anddam | with its task-lxde-desktop recommended package |
| 14:39.38 | jelly | DelphiWorld: so which package is it and which config file do you want restored to normal state? |
| 14:39.46 | jelly | well, default, not normal |
| 14:39.49 | DelphiWorld | jelly: kamailio |
| 14:39.56 | jelly | ,v kamailio |
| 14:39.57 | judd | Package: kamailio on amd64 -- jessie: 4.2.0-2; stretch: 4.2.4-1; sid: 4.2.4-1 |
| 14:39.58 | DelphiWorld | jelly: offcource 3RD party apt repo |
| 14:40.38 | jelly | DelphiWorld: look at its dependencies, something like kamailio-common or kamailio-base, and purge that. |
| 14:40.48 | dokma | jelly, great. thank you |
| 14:41.06 | DelphiWorld | jelly: no, i'm installing it from there repo, and no deps |
| 14:41.22 | jelly | DelphiWorld: then their package is broken, buggy |
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| 14:41.35 | DelphiWorld | jelly: hey... be sure? :P |
| 14:42.06 | jelly | no other option; either purge does its thing, or you're doing it on the wrong package, or it's buggy |
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| 14:42.56 | anddam | DelphiWorld:why do you say "purge is not enough"? What files is left out of purging? |
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| 14:43.30 | jelly | DelphiWorld: purge not cleaning up 100% after the package is a common type of issue in low-quality apps. Many apps in Debian have bugs of that kind as well. |
| 14:43.44 | DelphiWorld | anddam: if i purge & reinstall i'm not getting original config |
| 14:43.44 | jelly | low quality packages* |
| 14:43.52 | DelphiWorld | jelly: so what's the resolution of this issue |
| 14:43.54 | SynrGy | that may be a different issue |
| 14:44.05 | SynrGy | purge *cannot* touch anything in your home |
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| 14:44.25 | SynrGy | what's the "it"? i'm not caught up from backlog |
| 14:44.26 | jelly | DelphiWorld: find out which leftovers make the package think it was installed previously |
| 14:44.49 | jelly | SynrGy: kamailio from yet unnamed 3rd party repo |
| 14:44.55 | SynrGy | oh, 3rd party |
| 14:45.03 | DelphiWorld | yes not official apt |
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| 14:45.27 | SynrGy | "not getting original files" <- which files? |
| 14:45.43 | DelphiWorld | the conf file |
| 14:45.58 | SynrGy | purge it and manually examine where those are |
| 14:46.09 | SynrGy | if they are left behind, then manually remove the offending files |
| 14:46.21 | SynrGy | of course, a "proper" package wouldn't do that |
| 14:46.44 | anddam | SynrGy: It-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named |
| 14:46.48 | DelphiWorld | lol |
| 14:47.00 | anddam | also wouldn't a reinstall complain on existing file? |
| 14:47.03 | DelphiWorld | SynrG: after i apt-get it again i dont get the needed files cause i did rm -rf:P |
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| 14:47.33 | SynrGy | anddam: depends on how the file comes into existence. if a maintainer script (or other script) creates the config, then a matching maintainer script should remove it when purged |
| 14:47.53 | DelphiWorld | i switched to the stable repo |
| 14:47.55 | DelphiWorld | let's see |
| 14:47.57 | SynrGy | DelphiWorld: then i would question how those files came into existence |
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| 14:48.14 | SynrGy | DelphiWorld: perhaps you only assume the package created them, whereas they were manually created |
| 14:48.36 | SynrGy | or perhaps the package does create them, but only when run and some configuration process completed upon first run |
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| 14:48.41 | DelphiWorld | no no, SynrG those are original files |
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| 14:49.00 | anddam | any hint about the task-desktop thing? |
| 14:49.10 | SynrGy | DelphiWorld: so you're saying if you dpkg -c packagename.deb you see these 'original files' |
| 14:49.12 | anddam | is that required or should installing lxde just be good? |
| 14:49.18 | SynrGy | but if you install the package, those 'original files' aren't installed? |
| 14:49.27 | DelphiWorld | if modified by me, yes |
| 14:49.34 | DelphiWorld | but i think issue gone now in latest package |
| 14:49.43 | SynrGy | DelphiWorld: yes, that's how dpkg works |
| 14:49.49 | anddam | DelphiWorld: the point IMHO is that you're only describing (part of) the commands you ran, this makes hard for people to figure what's happening |
| 14:49.58 | SynrGy | if conf files are modified by you, the maintainer's version won't be installed, by default |
| 14:50.04 | anddam | like you pulling "I did rm -rf" at a certain point |
| 14:50.06 | DelphiWorld | anddam: i do apt-get purge SynrG ;) |
| 14:50.08 | SynrGy | however, if you *purge* the package, it should be removed |
| 14:50.25 | DelphiWorld | SynrG got my issue now:P |
| 14:50.31 | anddam | DelphiWorld: that's a description, but an actual pastebin, showing a successful completion of the command provides further info to the reader |
| 14:50.33 | SynrGy | well, one or the other of your statements is inconsistent with the others |
| 14:50.34 | DelphiWorld | now i run onto a dep issue |
| 14:50.56 | SynrGy | what you described, without further evidence to back it up, is highly unlikely |
| 14:50.58 | DelphiWorld | SynrG, see here: |
| 14:51.13 | DelphiWorld | kamailio-tls-modules : Depends: libssl0.9.8 (>= 0.9.8m-1) but it is not installable |
| 14:51.13 | DelphiWorld | E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. |
| 14:51.18 | SynrGy | i assume the fault lies either with: your ability to communicate, the poor quality of the package, or both. |
| 14:51.41 | DelphiWorld | and here's the wiki page: http://www.kamailio.org/dokuwiki/doku.php/packages:debs |
| 14:51.49 | anddam | once I install a package using --no-install-recommends can I install recommends at a later time? |
| 14:52.00 | DelphiWorld | SynrG, the fault is in my misscommunication, due to my low use of apt advanced stufs |
| 14:52.09 | anddam | mm apt-get --reinstall |
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| 14:53.35 | SynrGy | DelphiWorld: i see. regarding the "held broken packages", "apt-get -f install" is no help? |
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| 14:54.11 | jelly | ,v libssl0.9.8 |
| 14:54.12 | judd | Package: libssl0.9.8 on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.9.8o-4squeeze14; squeeze-security: 0.9.8o-4squeeze14; squeeze-security-lts: 0.9.8o-4squeeze20 |
| 14:54.12 | DelphiWorld | no, no help |
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| 14:54.18 | SynrGy | anddam: i could be wrong here, but i think once you don't install recommends, upgrades (and reinstalls, which are equivalent) respect your choice to not install recommends |
| 14:54.38 | SynrGy | anddam: so you would have to manually review the recommends and install them explicitly |
| 14:54.39 | DelphiWorld | ,v prosody |
| 14:54.40 | judd | Package: prosody on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.7.0-1squeeze1; wheezy-security: 0.8.2-4+deb7u2; wheezy: 0.8.2-4+deb7u2; wheezy-backports: 0.9.4-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 0.9.7-2; stretch: 0.9.7-2; sid: 0.9.7-2 |
| 14:54.45 | jelly | squeeze-lts repo is the only still-supported place to get libssl0.9.8 from |
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| 14:55.02 | SynrGy | anddam: that is my understanding, anyway. otherwise people wouldn't be able to reliably "opt out" of recommends. |
| 14:55.03 | DelphiWorld | jelly: no security issue? |
| 14:55.13 | SynrGy | anddam: as the next upgrade would bring them back again |
| 14:55.32 | sysdef | hi. what is the best practice to get a Preemt-RT kernel to run (and keep it up-to-date) in jessie? |
| 14:55.48 | jelly | DelphiWorld: as little security issues as squeeze-lts people can afford to fix |
| 14:56.08 | DelphiWorld | jelly: deb line please? |
| 14:56.10 | anddam | SynrGy: correct, just stumbled onto that |
| 14:56.17 | anddam | installing a DE doesn't pull in X server |
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| 14:56.53 | jelly | DelphiWorld: deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-lts main contrib non-free |
| 14:57.53 | sysdef | Preempt-RT* |
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| 15:00.20 | DelphiWorld | fixed my issue jelly, thank dude! |
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| 15:03.54 | anddam | what was his issue in the end? |
| 15:06.37 | anddam | ok I started razor-qt environment and I don't see a "logout" or exit option |
| 15:07.00 | anddam | are DE other than GNOME/KDE/LXDE/XFCE actually supported by debian? |
| 15:07.10 | anddam | like can I have an install with all required stuff, a DM and so? |
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| 15:12.44 | xreal | Is /usr/sbin/policy-rc.d still read in Debian Jessie using systemd? |
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| 15:23.57 | Brigo | xreal, , it is neither in my system nor in any jessie package. |
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| 15:26.17 | xreal | Oh my... good OS turned bad :( |
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| 15:27.13 | teraflop | xreal: so bad means whatever dislikes you? |
| 15:27.51 | bstarek | why? because of systemd? |
| 15:28.26 | xreal | Seems like it's gone because of systemd. So invoke-rc.d is also gone? |
| 15:28.33 | triskal1 | did I understand the following correctly? To make debian more secure, I can simply install the harden package, and install and run bastille, follow the instructions and then my system is pretty secure when I only install security updates for the following 2 years... |
| 15:28.38 | anddam | mm task-lxde-desktop and lxde pulled 1.5GB of stuff, so long for lightweight DE |
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| 15:30.14 | teraflop | anddam: you did tasksel? |
| 15:30.22 | bstarek | still running 7.x...not wrried about systemd at the moment....=)) |
| 15:30.52 | Arrowmaster | its just different but its fine |
| 15:31.01 | zoldyck_clone | you only have 1 year of support left |
| 15:31.15 | anddam | teraflop: no, that's what I was asking about |
| 15:31.30 | anddam | teraflop: but I find it odd that a DE like razorqt doesn't have a dependency on Xorg |
| 15:31.34 | bstarek | 1 year enough to get prepared for systemZ |
| 15:31.44 | anddam | or xserver-xorg or whatever it's called |
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| 15:32.07 | anddam | teraflop: I'm going with tasksel since I hope it'll provide anything i need |
| 15:32.11 | anddam | everything, even |
| 15:32.12 | K-202 | Hi. Any one remembers url to debian iso with nonfree firmware? |
| 15:32.23 | anddam | is there such a thing? |
| 15:32.32 | bstarek | add them to sources list |
| 15:32.39 | anddam | I got the firmware tgz and copied it to another UsB key |
| 15:32.49 | teraflop | anddam: tasksel is fine afaik, it will grab all you need |
| 15:32.52 | anddam | bstarek: during install? |
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| 15:33.07 | anddam | teraflop: yea, i was hoping for a minimal GUI system |
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| 15:34.36 | anddam | with tasksel you don't get to know what's needed and whatnot, but there's a tradeoff between space and time needed to figure things out |
| 15:34.38 | anddam | as always |
| 15:34.53 | kombi | when trying to set up chroot ssh tells me "/bin/bash: Not a directory" when in fact it is a binary, what is happening? |
| 15:35.23 | blocky | hi all, i have just installed the pacakge fonts-inconsolata on debian8 and when i try to use it in sublime-text-3 all the characters appear as rectangles |
| 15:35.44 | SynrGy | anddam: yeah, there's no reason a DE can't work without an X server. |
| 15:36.01 | blocky | anyone experienced this? |
| 15:36.06 | fcharton | xreal: maybe there is a «systemd» way to handle it. |
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| 15:36.41 | ideb | SynrGy: sorry, something came up I had to leave ASAP. Nothinc changed, I was running Testing before Jessie got released. I shut down my system one night, and the following morning Gnome was broken. System is up to date now |
| 15:36.43 | xreal | fcharton: systemd is one big piece of bloatware, which wants to do anything. I bet, there are some scripts, which can do it. |
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| 15:37.23 | anddam | SynrGy: like using a remote server? |
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| 15:37.27 | SynrGy | ideb: out of disc space? |
| 15:37.33 | ideb | SynrGy: no |
| 15:37.35 | SynrGy | ideb: that could cause systemic problems |
| 15:37.54 | SynrGy | ideb: collect error output from running 'lowriter' and put at paste.debian.net |
| 15:38.03 | SynrGy | anddam: precisely |
| 15:38.09 | SynrGy | anddam: ssh -X, etc. |
| 15:38.16 | SynrGy | or vnc |
| 15:38.23 | SynrGy | any number of alternatives |
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| 15:38.52 | bstarek | anddam, even after install |
| 15:38.54 | ideb | SynrGy: http://paste.debian.net/177633 |
| 15:39.25 | SynrGy | ideb: so it looks like you broke libgl |
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| 15:39.42 | SynrGy | do you have nvidia non-free? |
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| 15:40.01 | ideb | SynrGy: I'm not sure |
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| 15:40.46 | SynrGy | ideb: if so, did the dkms module build successfully for your current kernel? also, if you haven't rebooted since any upgrade bringing in new kernel and/or new driver, you need to |
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| 15:41.13 | SynrGy | ideb: i think if you follow testing, you should at least know what your video driver is :) (or at least how to find out) |
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| 15:41.46 | xreal | There we go: https://packages.debian.org/de/jessie/init-system-helpers |
| 15:41.54 | ideb | SynrGy: I can't remember if I have the nouveau drivers or the nonfree. I'll find out |
| 15:43.28 | SynrGy | ideb: update-alternatives --display glx |
| 15:44.22 | ideb | SynrGy: seems i do have the nvidia drivers: http://paste.debian.net/177638/ |
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| 15:46.03 | SynrGy | ok, and then ls -l /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/nvidia/current/ |
| 15:46.17 | SynrGy | ideb: my suspicion is you'll find dangling symlinks |
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| 15:48.38 | ideb | SynrGy: http://paste.debian.net/177642/ |
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| 15:53.10 | ideb | SynrGy: I did check my partitions. sda1 is boot, sda2 / and sda3 swap. that can't be the problem |
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| 15:54.58 | anddam | SynrGy: so what's the "base package" to have a X server? |
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| 15:57.41 | jelly | anddam: xserver-xorg-core gets you /usr/bin/X, but then you need some drivers with it |
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| 15:58.32 | jelly | "xorg" metapackage would probably be a more practical choice |
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| 16:08.23 | kombi | exit |
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| 16:08.59 | SynrGy | anddam: while xorg pulls in more xservers than you need, there is a practical advantage to it. if you ever do bare-metal recovery, you can easily transfer the system to new hardware, whereas if you go for 'minimal' xorg with only the xserver you need, you don't have this safety net. |
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| 16:09.28 | SynrGy | anddam: so yes, 'xorg' is how i go, now, with all my systems. the only case where i'd be fussy is a super low disk space system (eeepc model 4G) |
| 16:09.59 | anddam | not the case |
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| 16:26.40 | HebusLeTroll | Hello folks ! Is it possible to use a bash script as a "proxy" ? Or any simple solution for my problem : I use program "foo" that launch program "bar" with some arguments, but i'd like it to be called with different arguments. |
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| 16:27.13 | rozie | HebusLeTroll: yes |
| 16:27.14 | anddam | HebusLeTroll: it is possible, I think it's a common thing |
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| 16:28.03 | teraflop | dont call it proxy then call it wrapper or something like that |
| 16:28.08 | HebusLeTroll | do you have some links, or keywords to feed google with ? |
| 16:28.56 | anddam | "bash scripting" #bash or "bash faq greg" |
| 16:29.01 | HebusLeTroll | ah looks like wrapper fed google properly, thanks |
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| 16:33.12 | xreal | systemd on debian seems to have some hacks/scripts to allow to start services in chroot / aka chroot isn't detected. Does anyone know, how to stop this behaviour? |
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| 16:41.11 | bigl | I am running a server that needs the nvidia-legacy-glx-96xx-driver - but this driver is not included in Jessie. Can someone tell me what my options are? Can I backport the sources from wheezy or something? |
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| 16:42.14 | FLHerne | xreal: What are the symptoms? |
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| 16:42.26 | ra__ | Hi all, I have jessie installed (upgraded from wheezy), using kde desktop, I have a wired network connection, but apper is unable to detect it. How to resolve this problem? My network interface is set to auto eth0, iface eth0 inet dhcp |
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| 16:43.26 | somiaj | ra__: what is apper? |
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| 16:44.05 | ra__ | somiaj: a package installer, similar to synaptic with a kde gui |
| 16:44.32 | FLHerne | xreal: Maybe your services have a RootDirectory= option set, or am I misunderstanding the issue? |
| 16:44.35 | ra__ | somiaj: the command line installer works just fine, synaptic too |
| 16:44.35 | somiaj | ra__: so your system is on the internet and this one program can't access it? |
| 16:44.44 | ra__ | somiaj: yes |
| 16:44.55 | ra__ | somiaj: I am typing on that machine |
| 16:45.09 | anddam | how can I reliably reference an USB disk in fstab? |
| 16:45.13 | anddam | udev naming? |
| 16:45.24 | ra__ | somiaj: isn't it something with systemd - network-manager clash? |
| 16:45.48 | somiaj | ra__: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=784904 |
| 16:45.49 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/784904 in apper (open): «apper: check for updates ,says no network found»; severity: important; opened: 2015-05-10; last modified: 2015-05-10. |
| 16:46.12 | somiaj | ra__: seems there was a bug report, I don't know what it requires. It might be trying to talk to network-manager, but you seem to manually configure your network. |
| 16:46.24 | xreal | FLHerne: did you know that "Herne" is a city in Germany? |
| 16:46.33 | somiaj | anddam: use the uuid? |
| 16:46.40 | FLHerne | xreal: I did, because people keep asking if I live there :P |
| 16:46.52 | xreal | hehe :D |
| 16:47.14 | anddam | somiaj: where do I find it? |
| 16:47.38 | somiaj | anddam: various ways, one is run blkid when the disk is pluged in |
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| 16:48.42 | bigl | anyone know how to get the nvidia legacy driver .96xx into wheezy. not in repository and the drivers from nvidia site don't seem to work with latest header files |
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| 16:49.22 | somiaj | bigl: they should be, do you have non-free packages enabled? |
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| 16:50.48 | bigl | somiaj - yes. They only have the legacy 304 drivers in jessie. I need the old ass 96xx drivers. They only have packages for wheezy |
| 16:50.51 | somiaj | ,v nvidia-legacy-96xx-driver |
| 16:50.52 | judd | Package: nvidia-legacy-96xx-driver on amd64 -- wheezy-backports/non-free: 96.43.23-7~bpo70+1 |
| 16:51.05 | bigl | right no jessie driver |
| 16:51.06 | somiaj | bigl: yea not sure why they removed them, have you tried nouveau? |
| 16:51.15 | bigl | yes nouveau doesn't work |
| 16:51.21 | bigl | vesa does but terrible performance |
| 16:51.32 | bigl | can I "backport" the wheezy packages? |
| 16:51.50 | bigl | that seems like a pita tho |
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| 16:52.27 | somiaj | bigl: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=755453 |
| 16:52.28 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/755453 in ftp.debian.org (closed): «RM: nvidia-graphics-drivers-legacy-96xx -- ROM; deprecated upstream»; severity: normal; opened: 2014-07-21; last modified: 2014-08-20. |
| 16:52.29 | bigl | looking for suggestions |
| 16:52.50 | somiaj | bigl: they wont' work in jessie since they don't seem to support the abi of xorg, not sure if nvidia has updated this, but that is why they were removed |
| 16:52.57 | bigl | right the drivers are not being updated anymore by nvidia. I still need them tho |
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| 16:53.17 | somiaj | bigl: I said use nouveau, they have decent support for nvidia hardware, and it is improving. |
| 16:53.18 | bigl | I don't think nvidia is going to update them. They are super old |
| 16:53.32 | bigl | somiaj - nvidia doesn't work for this card |
| 16:53.40 | somiaj | I think nvidia was working with nouveau to help make the driver better support their legacy hardware so they can drop support on older cards. |
| 16:53.41 | bigl | get black screen sadly |
| 16:53.58 | somiaj | bigl: yea, your card isn't supported by newer drivers, the older drivers don't work on the xorg in jessie. |
| 16:54.02 | bigl | yes, I think they are too, but that doesn't help me getting my jessie box working :) |
| 16:54.13 | somiaj | bigl: as I said, use nouveau |
| 16:54.24 | bigl | nouveau doesn't work tho |
| 16:54.39 | somiaj | it does |
| 16:54.45 | somiaj | also read that bug report. |
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| 16:54.52 | somiaj | it even has a link to nvidia's annoucment about support. |
| 16:55.01 | bigl | for that card, I couldn't get anything but a black screen using nouveau in Jessie? |
| 16:55.33 | bigl | I could be doing something wrong, but I don't think so - nouveau should work out of the box no? |
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| 16:56.13 | somiaj | bigl: I haven't used nouveau so I wouldn't know, but you may be able to do some debugging. It should support that. |
| 16:56.25 | somiaj | But this is a post from nvidia in 2014, "Support for X.Org xserver version 1.12 was added to the 96.43.* legacy driver series with version 96.43.23. No further releases from the 96.43.* series are planned." |
| 16:56.53 | somiaj | so that card is just not supported by nvidia, nouveau is your best bet. You can also try the old 'nv' driver too. But I would imangin nouveau would support it and I would debug the issue with nouveau |
| 16:57.18 | somiaj | ans icne jessie has a newer xorg abi than 1.12 no long are those drivers supported and they just wno't run on jessie |
| 16:57.43 | bigl | how do I install the nv driver? I need an xorg.conf driver to use that don't I. Man the nv driver brings back memories, I haven't used that since like woody |
| 16:57.50 | bigl | or maybe sarge :) |
| 16:57.50 | ra__ | somiaj: finally, it was not that hard: I asked network-manager to handle my connection as described here: https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager. Thanks for your help |
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| 16:59.11 | somiaj | ra__: you may want to comment on that bugreport that I sent you, add your experience. Say it won't work with manually configured network via /etc/network/interfaces but does work with network-manager. To me that is a bug. |
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| 16:59.22 | bigl | somiaj - i'll give the nouveau driver another shot |
| 16:59.26 | somiaj | bigl: the nv drivers should be installed already, you may need to tell xorg to use them. |
| 16:59.54 | somiaj | bigl: but nouveau are supose to be way better, there is also a nouveau channel on this network, #nouveau I think. |
| 17:00.08 | bigl | somiaj - using the xorg.conf file correct - I havne't sent one of those up in years. used to using nvidia-xconfig to do it for me |
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| 17:00.22 | bigl | anyway i'll give it a go. Thanks for the help |
| 17:00.47 | anddam | somiaj: mm I'm using PARTUUID and I see the id is correct, yet I get a "can't find PARTUUID=..." |
| 17:00.51 | bigl | vesa driver does work. I supposed this isn't a huge deal as I'm eventually going to run this as a headless server |
| 17:00.55 | anddam | double checking now |
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| 17:01.56 | somiaj | anddam: PARTUUID? I thought you needed UUID= in the fstabfile |
| 17:02.37 | anddam | somiaj: I was willing to use GPT UUID, but in fact I used pARTUUID and then pasted UUID |
| 17:02.39 | anddam | working thanks |
| 17:02.46 | somiaj | anddam: yea use UUID, not PARTUUID, you want to mount a filesystem not a partition. |
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| 17:03.09 | somiaj | anddam: yea PARTUUID referes to the partition, but you want to mount the filesystem, so refere to that. |
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| 17:03.32 | somiaj | seems you should be able to use them though, but i'm not sure on the details |
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| 17:25.16 | bald_bohemian | Hey everybody |
| 17:25.27 | reborn | i am running crunchang plus plus with jessie debian, so where i can install AMD GRAPHIC? |
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| 17:37.12 | ninti | Greetings, can anyone help me please with my HDMI? |
| 17:37.53 | ninti | xrandr says: Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1920 x 1080, maximum 8192 x 8192 |
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| 17:38.54 | sydney_untangle | Nnel: Whats the issue? |
| 17:38.57 | sydney_untangle | ninti: *^ |
| 17:39.01 | sydney_untangle | Nnel: Sorry. |
| 17:39.17 | abrotman | ninti: what's your video card and driver? |
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| 17:42.35 | ninti | abrotman: i have Intel and Geforce 650M |
| 17:43.03 | ninti | but i can give you a link with my laptop configuration, was it better? |
| 17:43.36 | ninti | or please what i should write in console for more information? |
| 17:44.00 | ninti | i have a lila line at the left side on my second monitor |
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| 17:48.06 | abrotman | ninti: which one are you actually using? |
| 17:48.20 | abrotman | and if this is bumblebee/optimus/whateverthosethingsare .. we should know that too |
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| 17:50.51 | ninti | abrotman: i have Debian 8 now installed :) its fresh still :) not optimus etc. |
| 17:51.04 | ninti | i think, i use the Intel grafic card? |
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| 17:55.18 | abrotman | ninti: lspci -nn | grep VGA |
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| 17:57.14 | ninti | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller [8086:0166] (rev 09) |
| 17:57.17 | ninti | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation GK107M [GeForce GT 650M] [10de:0fd1] (rev a1) |
| 17:57.56 | Tenkawa | fun fun. dual vid notebook? |
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| 18:00.31 | ninti | dual isnt fun fun |
| 18:00.38 | Tenkawa | i know |
| 18:00.45 | Tenkawa | i was being sarcastiv |
| 18:00.52 | Tenkawa | er sarcastic |
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| 18:02.15 | ninti | i hope abrotman can me help? |
| 18:02.29 | abrotman | ninti: I'm pretty sure this is called bumblebee or optimus or osmething along those lines |
| 18:03.04 | ninti | ok i can install bumblebee but i dont get running second monitor :( |
| 18:03.19 | abrotman | would just disable the nvidia card in the bios :) |
| 18:03.46 | Tenkawa | abrotman: agreed |
| 18:04.09 | ninti | and then u cannot help me? |
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| 18:04.40 | teraflop | ,v bumblebee |
| 18:04.41 | judd | Package: bumblebee on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 3.2.1-4~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.2.1-7; sid: 3.2.1-7; stretch: 3.2.1-7 |
| 18:05.05 | ninti | what? |
| 18:05.39 | teraflop | wat about wat? |
| 18:06.50 | ninti | sorry, but i cannot understand you |
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| 18:07.18 | ninti | what is ,v bumblebee? |
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| 18:08.37 | ninti | can you start again, i dont understand you - please |
| 18:09.08 | teraflop | ninti: are you talking to me? |
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| 18:10.01 | teraflop | ninti: I just wanted to know what version of bumblebee is in stable (if youre talking to me) |
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| 18:12.43 | ninti | teraflop: i dont know? |
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| 18:13.22 | teraflop | ninti: I do, since I asked the bot |
| 18:13.36 | ninti | :) |
| 18:13.59 | ninti | aha, i think, you cannot help me? |
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| 18:14.14 | xreal | I've installed a chroot environment using --variant=minbase - why the heck did it install an init-system and parts of x11 like fonts and video libraries? |
| 18:14.19 | ninti | or can you help me teraflop ?? |
| 18:14.48 | teraflop | ninti: about bumblebee? I do not use such things in debian, but here is the wiki page https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee |
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| 18:16.03 | ninti | teraflop: ^^ thanks, but i need HDMI not bumblebee, i know how i can install it, but what for need it when i cannot connect to HDMI ? |
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| 18:16.46 | rom1v | hi |
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| 18:17.02 | rom1v | how to report a bug against reportbug when it crashes? |
| 18:17.03 | teraflop | ninti: sorry i must have missed your issue, I just idle most of the time |
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| 18:17.29 | ninti | teraflop: ^^ |
| 18:17.35 | abrotman | rom1v: use your mail client |
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| 18:17.56 | ninti | why i see a lila line at left side on my second monitor mainly? |
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| 18:18.45 | teraflop | what is lila, a colour? |
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| 18:23.32 | ninti | ah, purple in english :) |
| 18:23.35 | |yes| | hi how are you doing? |
| 18:24.19 | |yes| | i would like to kick my boyfriend from irc, can you perhaps share with me any idea how could i do that please? :) |
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| 18:26.30 | teraflop | It means the same in spanish ninti |
| 18:26.35 | ninti | anyone can help me with dual grafic card and HDMI? |
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| 18:30.11 | ninti | ok my other problem, very easy :) |
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| 18:30.38 | ninti | with debian 7 i could install alsa, but now i cannot, what must i install now with debian 8? |
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| 18:53.20 | elik | While trying to start graphics emacs remotely on a headless server (running x, but it keeps going to the console version), I see that I have emacs24-nox installed as well. My laptop has emacs24-x installed. Both have the emacs package installed and run the same debian version (testing) |
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| 18:59.17 | anddam | somiaj: apropos UUID vs PARTUUID seems just the latter is GPT specific hence the need to differentiate the kind of label, there's no difference with regards to referring a specific partition |
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| 19:00.26 | DrPeppy | www.debian.org/CD/verify tells me "Official releases of Debian CDs come with signed checksum files." How do I identify such files? What's their .ext string? |
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| 19:05.51 | CissWit | DrPeppy: for example: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.0.0/amd64/iso-cd/ you can do something like gpg --verify SHA512SUMS.sign debian-8.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 19:05.58 | Brigo | DrPeppy, check this link: http://serverfault.com/questions/322518/can-dpkg-verify-files-from-an-installed-package |
| 19:06.09 | CissWit | but you need to add the good debian keys to your gpg keyring |
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| 19:06.30 | CissWit | See http://keyring.debian.org/ and the link you pasted for references |
| 19:06.35 | DrPeppy | ok . . . how do I add the good debian keys to my gpg keyring? |
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| 19:08.36 | CissWit | im not exactly sure of the command i gave you, you should check gpg documentations if you have any issue |
| 19:08.44 | DrPeppy | I've looked in http://keyring.debian.org . . . it doesn't help me at all. It's vague. GPG man page is gobblydook. Could someone show me the command line to add the good debian keys to my gpg keyring? |
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| 19:08.57 | CissWit | if you already have a debian installed it's likely that the keyring is /usr/share/keyrings/debian-archive-keyring.gpg there |
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| 19:09.34 | DrPeppy | if i already had debian installed, would i be going through this dance? |
| 19:10.11 | Brigo | DrPeppy, why don't you check my link? i think i will help you. |
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| 19:10.45 | DrPeppy | Brigo: checking |
| 19:10.58 | rsully | Not really sure which channel to ask in, I'm trying to compile memtest86+ on debian and it is failing with 'sys/io.h: no such file or directory' - any ideas? |
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| 19:11.50 | Brigo | rsully, install apt-file and use apt-file update && apt-file search sys/io.h |
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| 19:12.15 | Brigo | i get several results like: libc6-dev: /usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu/sys/io.h |
| 19:12.20 | rsully | `locate` shows /usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu/sys/io.h |
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| 19:12.45 | Brigo | rsully, may be you need: libc6-dev-i386: /usr/include/sys/io.h |
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| 19:13.56 | rsully | Brigo awesome, looks like that worked! |
| 19:13.59 | rsully | thanks! |
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| 19:27.54 | qqz | where can I get the non-oss cd image from? |
| 19:28.32 | qqz | my Xorg seems to initialize no more since upgrading to Debian8.0. |
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| 19:29.13 | qqz | or is there any alternative X-server for Debian8 like fbdev or mir? |
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| 19:38.25 | qqz | where the devil get non-oss from? |
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| 19:39.19 | somiaj | anddam: yea that is what I saw, it is also you identify the partition vs the filesystem. You can also use LABEL and PARTLABEL it seems |
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| 19:39.45 | teraflop | qqz: can you explain to an ignorant like me what is that non-oss thing? |
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| 19:42.28 | somiaj | qqz: I would look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log and see what is not being loaded correctly. But xorg can use the fbdev video driver. |
| 19:42.34 | anddam | somiaj: oh now i see what you wrote, I assumed partition meant fs in this case |
| 19:43.13 | somiaj | anddam: but it doesn't suprise me that mbr parittion tables do not support PARTUUID, (: |
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| 19:49.47 | MarkG1234 | Hi, can someone recommend a good text editor for a console only debian install? I need one where I don't need to fill my head with useless keypress information just to use basic features. |
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| 19:50.05 | w1gz | MarkG1234: nano ? |
| 19:50.12 | Krakakanok | vim |
| 19:50.20 | MarkG1234 | tried that, got stuck trying to work out how to go to a specific line. |
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| 19:50.48 | MarkG1234 | tried vim too, couldn't work out how to exit it |
| 19:50.54 | MarkG1234 | or do anything at all |
| 19:51.12 | somiaj | MarkG1234: nano is the default one that should be installed on your system and is very basic (akin the the class pico editor) |
| 19:51.25 | somiaj | MarkG1234: I prefer vim, but running vimtutor and taking the 20mins to learn it is useful. |
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| 19:52.34 | MarkG1234 | If I need to read a manual, or take a 20 minute course to work out how to use a basic text editor, then it's failed at the first hurdle. Any other options, something easier than nano |
| 19:52.46 | MarkG1234 | ? |
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| 19:53.52 | somiaj | MarkG1234: not really, nano is really as straight forward as I can think of, and the bottom of the scree tells you what the special buttons are. |
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| 19:54.42 | MarkG1234 | anyone know how to jump to a specific line number in it? The help is totally useless. |
| 19:54.52 | user15 | vi has its benefits.. you probably won't know what unless you need to |
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| 19:55.18 | MarkG1234 | F13 apparently. Someone needs to tell them keyboards stop at F12 |
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| 19:56.25 | somiaj | MarkG1234: google is your friend, I searched for 'nano jump to line' and got multiple this, here is one. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1005737 |
| 19:56.34 | srg | Is there a package that will show me "leaf" packages? Those that no other package doesn't depend on? |
| 19:56.42 | NoImNotNineVolt | vi is the worst. |
| 19:56.44 | somiaj | they give both how to tell nano to open a file at a specifc line and how to jump to a specific line inside of nano. |
| 19:56.45 | Krakakanok | :num MarkG1234 |
| 19:56.50 | NoImNotNineVolt | well, the second worst. after emacs. |
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| 19:56.59 | somiaj | srg: something like deborphan? |
| 19:57.05 | srg | somiaj: THanks |
| 19:57.10 | somiaj | srg: usually that only searches libs, but you can configure it to search all packages. |
| 19:57.45 | NoImNotNineVolt | if you want something "easier than nano", you might be limited to crayons and construction paper. |
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| 20:00.15 | srg | Is there a way to delete the left over files after a package is removed? The files that would normally be removed with --purge? |
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| 20:04.07 | somiaj | srg: yes, you purge the package. you have to use dpkg if it isn't installed though. dpkg --purge packagename |
| 20:04.17 | somiaj | srg: there should be no leftover files if you purged the package |
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| 20:07.39 | srg | I don't know which packages though |
| 20:07.41 | srg | it's a bunch of them |
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| 20:07.48 | somiaj | srg: dpkg -l | grep ^rc |
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| 20:07.50 | srg | all the ones I just happen to forget to use purge on |
| 20:07.52 | srg | thanks |
| 20:08.10 | srg | that's awesome |
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| 20:12.55 | Amun_Ra | srg: dpkg -l|grep ^rc | awk '{print $2}'|xargs dpkg -P |
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| 20:17.37 | Pigpen_ | hello i'm looking to play a game in debian but i am unsure how to start the game any ideas or suggests would be great |
| 20:17.57 | lord4163 | Pigpen_, what game? |
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| 20:18.08 | Pigpen_ | postal2 multi player |
| 20:18.37 | srg | Is there linux support? or are you trying to run it in wine? |
| 20:18.48 | Pigpen_ | i download the game for linux |
| 20:19.08 | lord4163 | Piggy, I think you have to get it through Steam. |
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| 20:19.33 | Pigpen_ | works in windows |
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| 20:19.42 | Pigpen_ | and there's a linux version |
| 20:19.53 | Pigpen_ | i can give you url |
| 20:19.56 | Pigpen_ | if you want |
| 20:20.29 | Walex | Pigpen_: https://steamcommunity.com/app/223470 also |
| 20:20.48 | Pigpen_ | na it's free |
| 20:20.59 | Walex | but it gets more complicated... |
| 20:21.02 | lord4163 | Pigpen_, Yes install it through steam |
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| 20:22.01 | lord4163 | Pigpen_, No I don't think it is free. It looks like it costs â¬19,99 |
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| 20:22.49 | Walex | Pigpen_: http://www.ubuntuvibes.com/2012/01/postal-and-postal-2-for-linux-now.html |
| 20:23.06 | Pigpen_ | thanks |
| 20:23.15 | Walex | Pigpen_: there may be a Linux executable from 2003/2004 but it is unlikely to run well on recent distributions. |
| 20:23.24 | qqz | I need linux-firmware-non-oss |
| 20:23.25 | Pigpen_ | oh |
| 20:23.34 | qqz | that is what is not loaded correctly |
| 20:23.47 | Walex | Pigpen_: if you look at the history in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postal_2 |
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| 20:23.51 | qqz | otherwise the X-server won`t start |
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| 20:24.20 | qqz | âfirmware-linux-nonfreeâ to tell the exact package name |
| 20:24.27 | Walex | Pigpen_: "The Linux version available from Desura was newly updated for its release on the digital distribution platform" |
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| 20:24.38 | Walex | Pigpen_: "The pack was made available through Steam on November 2, 2012" |
| 20:24.59 | Pigpen_ | ok |
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| 20:26.57 | Walex | Pigpen_: "On November 13, 2006, RWS Released a compilation ... on a 3-way hybrid DVD for Windows, Linux, and the Mac." Maybe that's your source. Perhaps it might be made to work, but not so sure. |
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| 20:27.20 | Pigpen_ | yeah i hate to buy it find out it doesn't work |
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| 20:28.11 | Walex | Pigpen_: Steam is quite reliable, and I can run most Steam games even on 7/Wheezy with some backports. |
| 20:28.33 | Walex | Pigpen_: most Steam games should "just work" on 8/Jessie. |
| 20:28.40 | lord4163 | Pigpen_, It works, else it wouldn't be in the Steam store. |
| 20:28.43 | teclo- | what should one install on wheezy to run steam games ? |
| 20:28.54 | Walex | teclo-: link to my page in a moment... |
| 20:28.56 | lord4163 | teclo-, Steam perhaps? |
| 20:29.15 | teclo- | lord4163: yes but what package name in aptitude ? |
| 20:29.19 | Walex | lord4163: not so easy.... |
| 20:29.33 | CHVNX | teclo-: the steam client, or perhaps something like this: (I have never used this) https://github.com/GhostSquad57/Steam-Installer-for-Wheezy |
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| 20:29.49 | CHVNX | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:29.51 | Walex | teclo-: http://www.sabi.co.uk/blog/14-one.html#140317 |
| 20:29.53 | lord4163 | teclo-, It's non free software, so not in the repo. You will need to modify your apt sources |
| 20:30.17 | teclo- | lord4163: ah, indeed... I forgot it was non-free, sorry |
| 20:30.18 | Walex | teclo-: to install the Steam client itself, you can just use the Ubuntu 12.04 package |
| 20:30.38 | teclo- | Walex: uhhh you mean I should install a Ubuntu package on Debian ? |
| 20:31.01 | Walex | the real deal is to get powerful enough 3D, and for that one needs update Xorg etc. |
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| 20:31.11 | Walex | teclo-: terrible sacrifices have to be made sometimes |
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| 20:31.51 | lord4163 | teclo-, Or run SteamOS, a modified version of Debian with steam pre installed and a lot of improvements on the graphics stack |
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| 20:32.02 | Walex | teclo-: or you get it from the SteamOS repo, SteamOS "Alchemist" is essentially Debian 7/Wheezy with some backports. |
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| 20:32.51 | teclo- | Walex: indeed, install Ubuntu packages on Debian is to me... well, more than a sacrifice... an abomination |
| 20:33.04 | Walex | teclo-: indeed my page is about stealing packages from SteamOS rather than Ubuntu. |
| 20:33.16 | teclo- | Walex: aah that's better ;) |
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| 20:33.20 | Walex | teclo-: http://www.sabi.co.uk/blog/14-one.html#140317 again |
| 20:33.31 | srg | I gave up trying to get steam to work properly on my debian stretch laptop |
| 20:33.35 | teclo- | looks |
| 20:33.45 | srg | I setup an oldish windows box and put a nice nvidia card in there and that's my gaming box |
| 20:34.39 | teclo- | srg: well, if installing Ubuntu packages on Debian is a sacrifice or an abomination, running W*ndows is to me an heresy |
| 20:34.45 | squisher | steam works fine for me on sid, but I forgot how I installed it X) |
| 20:34.55 | Walex | teclo-: BTW in that list you can use the Linux kernel from 'wheezy-backports' instead of the slightly older one from SteamOS |
| 20:35.01 | crash_ | steam is working fine for me under Jessie |
| 20:35.48 | teclo- | writes down |
| 20:36.03 | teclo- | well I guess I'll first switch to jessie before installing steam... |
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| 20:36.27 | crash_ | and enable multi-arch :) |
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| 20:36.41 | srg | it was the multi-arch thing that gave me problems on my system |
| 20:36.43 | srg | iirc |
| 20:37.27 | crash_ | it works fine under jessie, maybe strecth is not so stable beacuse it is testing? |
| 20:37.50 | srg | well when I tried to set it up, it was on jessie (Back when jessie was testing) |
| 20:37.54 | srg | it was a bit ago |
| 20:37.56 | srg | few months |
| 20:38.06 | srg | but it's alright |
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| 20:38.56 | crash_ | testing seems to be okay sometimes and sometimes not so okay |
| 20:39.06 | srg | I always run testing |
| 20:39.10 | srg | I like it |
| 20:39.17 | srg | gotta take updates nice and slow, and read changelogs and everything |
| 20:39.25 | srg | I've honestly never had a problem upgrading or anything like that |
| 20:40.23 | crash_ | oh i have alwayes stayed on stable and backports :) |
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| 20:40.48 | crash_ | apt-listchanges and apt-listbugs? |
| 20:41.00 | srg | yep, those two too |
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| 20:41.39 | crash_ | okay |
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| 20:45.37 | r3m | ,v synergy |
| 20:45.38 | judd | Package: synergy on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.3.1-5; wheezy: 1.3.8-2; wheezy-backports: 1.4.16-1~bpo70+1; stretch: 1.4.16-1; jessie: 1.4.16-1; sid: 1.4.16-1 |
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| 20:48.39 | Pigpen_ | getting nothing but error messages with steam |
| 20:48.50 | Pigpen_ | failed to load steamui.so |
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| 20:53.52 | rgnr | something good distro which is not any more than 700 megs |
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| 20:54.46 | rgnr | with a little to no useless soft preinstalled |
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| 20:55.10 | rgnr | without any DE |
| 20:55.20 | crash_ | Debian? |
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| 20:55.33 | rgnr | erm |
| 20:55.35 | rgnr | lol |
| 20:55.37 | rgnr | dunno |
| 20:55.41 | crash_ | :p |
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| 20:56.19 | crash_ | Debian with no desktop enviroenment installed and then add what you need from the tty afterwards |
| 20:56.22 | rgnr | since crunchbang is discontinued, I'm looking for alternative |
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| 20:56.59 | rgnr | lightweight and minimalistic and fast as hell |
| 20:57.09 | crash_ | rgnr: i thought there was some clones of crunchbang that is ongoing? |
| 20:57.28 | rgnr | archbang? |
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| 20:57.57 | crash_ | rgnr: https://crunchbangplusplus.org/download/ |
| 20:58.02 | rgnr | lol |
| 20:58.22 | trevir | debian fits the bill if you install with the expert mode it gives more options though you may need to install some stuff by hand(tty) if yu dont install a de/wm |
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| 20:58.54 | crash_ | rgnr: it does look ok when i'm reading the about page |
| 20:59.34 | trevir | archbang is like crunchbang but based off arch and of course uses openbox |
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| 21:00.11 | crash_ | yeah but bleeding edge as hell :) |
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| 21:02.46 | trevir | yes its a rolling releas and I think after it is installed usses the same repositories as arch |
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| 21:04.04 | crash_ | yeah i think so |
| 21:04.13 | Joshua133 | hi anyone in here use live-build? No one is around in that group. I am wondering if there s a way to add individual packages to a live build root AFTER one has run lb build command (or is it required to build another root with every iteration? |
| 21:04.36 | Joshua133 | message me if you are someone who can help..tanks |
| 21:05.25 | rgnr | crash_: well, it is very fresh, thus unstable |
| 21:06.13 | crash_ | rgnr: to bad crunchbang was discontinued, it was a good project |
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| 21:07.53 | K-202 | Hello. Is it possible to install Debian from another HDD partition (e.g. copy installation file to /dev/sda2 and install it on /dev/sda3)? |
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| 21:08.18 | K-202 | Ubuntu 7 was unable to unmount HDD partitions but how about Debian 8 nowadays? |
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| 21:10.12 | r3m | ,v awesome |
| 21:10.14 | judd | Package: awesome on amd64 -- squeeze: 3.4.6-1; wheezy: 3.4.13-1; sid: 3.4.15-1+b1; jessie: 3.4.15-1+b1; stretch: 3.4.15-1+b1; experimental: 3.5.5-1 |
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| 21:11.15 | rgnr | crash_: yep, of all distros I liked it most |
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| 21:12.06 | crash_ | rgnr: Yeah i used it before on a older laptop in it was great on that machine |
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| 21:15.58 | rgnr | crash_: lol, !# and !#++ sounds like notepad and notepad++ :D |
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| 21:16.44 | rgnr | crash_: doubtfully, it's gonna be the same |
| 21:17.03 | crash_ | rgnr: Haha yeah |
| 21:18.53 | rgnr | crash_: I would stay with !# if it supported EFI and my darn atheros wifi module |
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| 21:20.03 | crash_ | rgnr: yeah efi is a bit buggy. Jessie is better with that here on my NUC then wheezy was. |
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| 21:21.33 | rgnr | crash_: LM is ok with efi |
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| 21:22.53 | crash_ | rgnr: ok haven't tried LM in a while not since 13.xx something |
| 21:24.38 | Pigpen_ | i can't steam to work here |
| 21:24.43 | Pigpen_ | i can't get steam to work here |
| 21:24.48 | Pigpen_ | failed to load steamui.so |
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| 21:26.01 | rgnr | crash_: have you tried Bunsen yet? |
| 21:26.16 | Pigpen_ | they say delete your old steam files on the search engines but i never ran steam to begin with |
| 21:26.31 | crash_ | Pigpen_: https://wiki.debian.org/Steam and read the section when it says steam runtime issues |
| 21:26.39 | Pigpen_ | k |
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| 21:27.33 | crash_ | rgnr: nope |
| 21:27.57 | anddam | is installing task-*-desktop packages the same that installing the relative package in taskel's curses interface at install time? |
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| 21:33.54 | rgnr | crash_: it is continuation of !# from corenominal |
| 21:34.16 | rgnr | crash_: gonna try it as soon as possible |
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| 21:36.55 | Pigpen_ | crash |
| 21:37.08 | Pigpen_ | the only issue is now steam doesn't attempt to open at all |
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| 21:37.28 | Pigpen_ | and if i reinstall it'll have same issues again i think it said |
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| 21:39.54 | crash_ | Pigpen_: Have you tried to delete the libs that the steam page said? beacuse it's working for me. |
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| 21:40.01 | crash_ | rgnr: Cool, i need to check that out |
| 21:40.20 | Pigpen_ | yes i did |
| 21:40.26 | Pigpen_ | then steam did nothing |
| 21:40.35 | Pigpen_ | after i removed those 5 |
| 21:41.05 | rsully | If anyone here has any experience compiling memtest and booting it via PXE feel free to reach out - been having trouble for the last couple hours |
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| 21:42.35 | crash_ | Pigpen_: that is weird |
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| 21:44.47 | Pigpen_ | yeah |
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| 21:51.40 | ubuntu__ | Is it possible to boot the standard livecd without a frame buffer? |
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| 21:54.03 | rtur | ubuntu_: which frame buffer do you mean ? |
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| 21:58.02 | ubuntu__ | rtur: I'd like to boot debian into the terminal, and not the graphical display it uses |
| 21:58.13 | ubuntu__ | I'm using qemu to emulate it and it's outputting a weird display |
| 21:58.46 | valdyn | ubuntu__: spice output is much better than vnc |
| 21:59.05 | ubuntu__ | valdyn: -display spice? |
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| 21:59.16 | valdyn | ubuntu__: i have no idea, i use virt-manager |
| 21:59.53 | ubuntu__ | ah, it's a remote desktop protocol |
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| 22:00.07 | ubuntu__ | hmmmm yeah but if your machine has not booted yet how can you control it remotely? |
| 22:01.23 | ubuntu__ | This is so weird. Why does it need to show pink characters on black display? |
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| 22:01.30 | ubuntu__ | Why can't it just use a serial terminal? |
| 22:01.43 | Fjorgynn | what |
| 22:01.53 | ubuntu__ | let me screenshot that |
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| 22:02.08 | Fjorgynn | can't you use like ctrl-alt-7 |
| 22:02.11 | crash_ | ubuntu__: do you have a serial adapter connected? with out that it wont use serial. |
| 22:02.12 | Fjorgynn | or ctrl-alt-1 it is |
| 22:02.45 | valdyn | ubuntu__: im not sure the bios can run on a serial display |
| 22:02.54 | valdyn | ubuntu__: everything after that can of course |
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| 22:02.57 | ubuntu__ | https://www.dropbox.com/s/ragite6y90irfbb/Screenshot%202015-05-15%2018.02.07.png?dl=0 |
| 22:03.04 | ubuntu__ | https://www.dropbox.com/s/ragite6y90irfbb/Screenshot%202015-05-15%2018.02.07.png?dl=0 |
| 22:03.19 | ubuntu__ | valdyn: so the install has to use bios? |
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| 22:03.41 | valdyn | ubuntu__: booting a pc needs the bios |
| 22:03.42 | ubuntu__ | crash_: Can the install be made through serial or is it strictly through bios? |
| 22:03.51 | ubuntu__ | valdyn: ah yeah |
| 22:03.54 | valdyn | ubuntu__: and virtual or not, its still a standard pc |
| 22:04.01 | ubuntu__ | yes yes |
| 22:04.14 | ubuntu__ | I just don't know the term for the type of display were seeing here |
| 22:04.20 | ubuntu__ | it's definitely not a serial terminal |
| 22:04.27 | valdyn | ubuntu__: just vga |
| 22:04.34 | crash_ | ubuntu__: i did't know you were doing quemu install, i thought was a real pc |
| 22:04.40 | ubuntu__ | ah |
| 22:04.52 | ubuntu__ | can it not be through vga? |
| 22:05.01 | valdyn | ubuntu__: well, what then? ega? |
| 22:05.05 | ubuntu__ | serial |
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| 22:05.12 | martinking | SIEG HEIL, HEIL HITLER, 8814, KILL ALL THE FUCKING GYPSIES, JEWS and NIGGERS ON THE WORLD |
| 22:05.15 | valdyn | ubuntu__: it as to use stuff that worked decades ago on 286 pcs |
| 22:05.16 | martinking | SIEG HEIL, HEIL HITLER, 8814, KILL ALL THE FUCKING GYPSIES, JEWS and NIGGERS ON THE WORLD |
| 22:05.26 | valdyn | ubuntu__: and that excludes serial i think |
| 22:05.32 | ubuntu__ | gentoo boots in with serial |
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| 22:05.51 | valdyn | ubuntu__: as does debian |
| 22:06.07 | ubuntu__ | no it runs with a frame buffer |
| 22:06.18 | crash_ | ubuntu__: yeah gentoo works fine on my old alpha ds10L machine with no pci graphic adapter, so it's using only serial to display via minicom |
| 22:06.35 | somiaj | ubuntu__: try to boot it with nomodset=1 |
| 22:06.36 | valdyn | ubuntu__: this grub is set to display on the vga display, yes |
| 22:06.50 | ubuntu__ | somiaj: thanks |
| 22:07.06 | somiaj | I think that disables the kms/frame buffer from loading, you need to manually add that line by editing the boot option with grub |
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| 22:07.56 | srg | I'm running Transmission (torrent client). For some reason, the tray icon isn't working for it. I hit the x to close the window, but it's still running in the background. Is there a way I can get it back? |
| 22:07.59 | ubuntu__ | somiaj: By pressing TAB on "Expert install" right? |
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| 22:08.28 | somiaj | ubuntu__: oh this is the installer? I thought you were talking about a live image. |
| 22:08.36 | hiexpo | qvittorent |
| 22:08.38 | valdyn | !serial install |
| 22:08.39 | ubuntu__ | yeah it's a live image |
| 22:08.41 | ubuntu__ | it's the |
| 22:08.42 | valdyn | !serial |
| 22:08.42 | dpkg | well, serial is a means of operation meaning in series, or one after the other. Ask me about <serial port>, <serial console>. |
| 22:08.46 | hiexpo | B |
| 22:08.57 | ubuntu__ | This one: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 22:08.59 | somiaj | ubuntu__: with a live image, you should have grub somewhere, and can modify the options sent to the kernel during boot. But I haven't tested this myself. |
| 22:09.10 | hiexpo | why is ubuntu in debian |
| 22:09.13 | somiaj | ubuntu__: those aren't the live images, those are the installers. |
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| 22:09.19 | ubuntu__ | ah |
| 22:09.33 | ubuntu__ | alright, well that's what the guide is telling me to use |
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| 22:09.43 | ubuntu__ | so not I need to set nomodeset=1 |
| 22:09.47 | hiexpo | #ubuntu |
| 22:09.49 | ubuntu__ | but you're saying that's an option in grub? |
| 22:09.52 | somiaj | ubuntu__: so the standard text installer doesn't work for you, that seems weird. I am unsure the best way to add the nomodset=1 to the kernel during boot, check all the help options I think there is one to add custom config lines. |
| 22:09.56 | valdyn | ubuntu__: since this is the installer its probably quite irrelevant where it runs, when you in fact do have a vga display |
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| 22:10.51 | wilornel | did you see the screenshots I posted? |
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| 22:10.54 | wilornel | the display is glitched |
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| 22:11.02 | crash_ | the installer doesn't care if it is serial or vga,hdmi,display port and so on |
| 22:11.04 | wilornel | I need a serial terminal to operate and do the install |
| 22:11.33 | wilornel | so how do I get a serial terminal if it's not with the installer? |
| 22:12.34 | crash_ | wilornel: the only time i have used debian with serial is on a alpha machine with SRM. and the i did boot dqb0 -flags 1 to use the serial. i have no idea on a x86 machine sorry |
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| 22:21.55 | zikkan | can anyone tell me what i have done wrong here; http://puu.sh/hOFZA/78d6308289.png |
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| 22:25.30 | somiaj | zikkan: what sort of errors do you get if you try to manualyl ifup eth0, ifup eth0:0, etc? |
| 22:25.34 | teraflop | zikkan: what is wrong with that |
| 22:25.37 | teraflop | ah |
| 22:25.58 | zikkan | somiaj: Ignoring unknown interface ech0:0=ech0:0. |
| 22:26.21 | zikkan | im also new to linux, so breaking it down to pieces would help a lot |
| 22:26.31 | somiaj | zikkan: looks like a typo. |
| 22:26.40 | somiaj | zikkan: run 'ifup eth0:0' |
| 22:26.48 | teraflop | zikkan: do you also need interface aliases? I mean you dont need that using iproute2 |
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| 22:26.56 | zikkan | y |
| 22:26.59 | zikkan | o yea |
| 22:27.10 | zikkan | RTNETLINK answers: File exists |
| 22:27.11 | zikkan | Failed to bring up eth0:0. |
| 22:27.30 | Brigo | zikkan, the default gateways. |
| 22:27.42 | srg | Can you resolve IPv4 addresses over a IPv6-only connection to a caching DNS server? |
| 22:27.50 | zikkan | no |
| 22:27.55 | zikkan | o |
| 22:27.56 | Dagger | srg: yes |
| 22:27.59 | srg | thanks |
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| 22:28.02 | zikkan | wrong person i answered |
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| 22:28.15 | zikkan | brian-; i just followed a guide from my service provider |
| 22:28.17 | srg | zikkan: oh it's ok, heh |
| 22:28.23 | zikkan | they did not include gateway in that guide |
| 22:28.23 | Brigo | i think i should be in the some network that the ip of the interface. |
| 22:28.27 | somiaj | zikkan: oh I think I see, I'm reading though https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration |
| 22:28.42 | zikkan | http://docs.ovh.ca/en/guides-network-ipaliasing.html#debian-derivatives |
| 22:28.50 | somiaj | zikkan: just do 'ifup eth0' then check that all the virtuail interfaces are also brought up. You don't bring up the eth0:0 seperatalkly, so remove those extra auto lines |
| 22:29.12 | zikkan | it gives me the same error as eth0:0 |
| 22:29.44 | somiaj | zikkan: https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Multiple_IP_addresses_on_One_Interface |
| 22:30.01 | somiaj | zikkan: I don't persoanlly use these, but that seems to be the legacy method to use with ifconfig, since ip is now the default, check the iproute2 method. |
| 22:30.23 | zikkan | well, im also unsure about editing in these files, since my provider wont help me if i fuck it up |
| 22:30.31 | zikkan | it'll just be my fault alone |
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| 22:31.55 | somiaj | zikkan: I dno't see anything obvsioully wrong, but I would get an opinion from someoen with more expeirence with this than me. |
| 22:32.22 | zikkan | i have got that, i even did it the same way he had done it to himself |
| 22:32.28 | zikkan | however, it still didnt help, and he was clueless |
| 22:32.53 | somiaj | zikkan: there is ##networking (: |
| 22:33.04 | zikkan | I will try it out! Thanks for the help though |
| 22:34.53 | Brigo | zikkan, RTNETLINK answers: File exists errors use to be about gateways, 2 gateways in the same interface will give that error. |
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| 22:35.37 | somiaj | zikkan: that could be it, rember you are assigning different ip addys, not gateways, to the interface. |
| 22:36.03 | zikkan | as i said above, im also new to linux so i just followed the guide the support provide me |
| 22:36.19 | somiaj | I didn't notice there were extra gateways, but just removing those lines will hopefully be enough |
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| 22:37.21 | zikkan | ill try it |
| 22:37.25 | zikkan | hold on. |
| 22:38.44 | zikkan | somiaj, removing the gateway and its now working |
| 22:38.49 | zikkan | thanks for the help! |
| 22:39.14 | somiaj | zikkan: thank Brigo, he was the one who knew what the error ment. |
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| 22:39.26 | zikkan | oh, i didnt even see |
| 22:39.30 | zikkan | thanks both of you! |
| 22:40.22 | Brigo | zinks, no preblem, glad to be helpful :) |
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| 22:43.24 | wilornel | I am offered a menu of possible kernels to install, I do not know how to chose which I shoud select |
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| 22:44.19 | wilornel | ah nevemind |
| 22:45.32 | srg | wilornel: the latest version is usually best |
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| 22:46.19 | roboman2444 | god dammit |
| 22:46.25 | roboman2444 | debian get your shit together |
| 22:46.43 | CHVNX | wat |
| 22:46.48 | roboman2444 | you update xorg, but then say fglrx has to be removed since it doesnt support > 1.13 |
| 22:47.20 | roboman2444 | thing is, 14.9 is from half a year ago, and the latest fglrx supports xorg 1.16 |
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| 22:48.00 | roboman2444 | if you are going to update something and not update another, make sure it doesnt break shit |
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| 22:48.19 | somiaj | wilornel: most likely it is the actual kernel vs the meta package. Install the meta package (one with out the version on it) so when you upgrade it pulls in the newer kernel. |
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| 22:51.08 | cek | after update to 8.0, my init.d syslong-ng doens't want to start. Where do I look for startup logs? |
| 22:51.22 | cek | systemctl status syslog-ng.service' doesn't provide me much info. I want my old style logs back |
| 22:53.11 | RoyK | someone forked debian for some reason |
| 22:53.17 | RoyK | systemd is evil |
| 22:53.51 | wilornel | somiaj: thanks |
| 22:54.17 | cek | it's evil, yes, how do i get rid of it or see my damn log? |
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| 22:55.08 | mtn | cek: you don't have to use systemd, the release notes tell you what you need to know |
| 22:55.26 | cek | it's 2am here, i really want to sleep |
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| 22:55.38 | cek | i dont' give a big F re: sys notes, i need syslog-ng working |
| 22:55.48 | cek | and bacula-dir, and a couple of other thigns |
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| 22:56.00 | srg | Should I: 1. Run a local caching instance of unbound on my laptop, or 2. Run unbound open to the public on my server (my laptop roams, so I can't restrict by IP) |
| 22:57.21 | cek | sysctl: setting key "net.ipv4.tcp_mem": Invalid argument |
| 22:57.23 | cek | sysctl sorted. |
| 22:57.38 | srg | As in, are there security concerns with running a public DNS server? |
| 22:59.30 | cek | -- Unit syslog-ng.service has failed. |
| 22:59.31 | cek | -- The result is failed. |
| 22:59.32 | cek | WHY?! |
| 23:00.32 | srg | cek: iirc, there's another command to read systemd's binary logs |
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| 23:00.51 | cek | what is a service unit file/ |
| 23:00.55 | srg | journalctl or something |
| 23:00.59 | srg | no idea. |
| 23:01.06 | srg | I gave up trying to figure systemd out. |
| 23:01.42 | orzo | there's a bunch of .service files |
| 23:01.44 | cek | journalctl -xn doesn't help me |
| 23:01.57 | orzo | i think i saw a good article |
| 23:02.02 | orzo | google 'systemd cheat sheet' |
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| 23:02.23 | cek | wtf who installed syslog-ng service file ? :/ it supposed to be started by init.d |
| 23:02.32 | cek | ExecStart=/usr/sbin/syslog-ng -F |
| 23:02.34 | cek | this is incorrect |
| 23:02.49 | srg | I switched to rsyslog because my syslog-ng stopped logging and I had no idea why. |
| 23:02.50 | cek | the cmd line shoudl be /usr/sbin/syslog-ng --cfgfile=/etc/syslog-ng/syslog-ng.conf |
| 23:03.07 | orzo | i don't understnad how the init.d and service files work together, i think you rassumption taht they are mutually exclusive might be wrong |
| 23:03.44 | orzo | i think the init.d files now just communicate with systemd, enabling or disabling things |
| 23:07.18 | wilornel | Alright, running the installer without a fb was solved by going to the Help menu, and typing `expert vga=normal fb=false` :) |
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| 23:08.30 | wilornel | Ach, I didn't create any users during installation :x |
| 23:08.43 | wilornel | now I have no idea what to type into the login prompt |
| 23:08.47 | cek | rm -f /lib/systemd/system/syslog-ng.service helped |
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| 23:10.16 | cek | May 15 18:09:44 bq systemd[1]: Socket service syslog.service not loaded, refusing. |
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| 23:14.47 | wilornel | Ach, I'm getting weird character input |
| 23:14.58 | wilornel | if I hit the character a, it inputs ^[a |
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| 23:17.54 | ZIPY^ | Hey i tried now 2x with a fresh jessie installation but always jave no sound at all sfter a couple of days |
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| 23:24.17 | dodebo | could someone help me validate my iso with kgpg please |
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| 23:29.47 | jova2 | validate md5sum? |
| 23:29.50 | teraflop | ZIPY: the part of _no sound after 2 days_ is just ... weird |
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| 23:30.50 | Marezz | For what kind of user is Debian stable made for? |
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| 23:31.33 | ZIPY | teraflop, did someone else you know of have the same kind of issue yet? My desktop installation is working without any problems, it is just my netbook running xfce |
| 23:31.57 | srg | Marezz: A regular user |
| 23:32.30 | srg | Marezz: (Not really sure what you're asking for...) |
| 23:32.38 | Brigo | ZIPY, did you check logs? i love logs :) |
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| 23:33.03 | teraflop | ZIPY: never heard of that issue before, did you look at the logs |
| 23:33.43 | Marezz | srg, Well for what type of use is it created? Is it a good choice for someone who wants for an example to play video games (mostly from Steam) |
| 23:34.10 | teraflop | Marezz: the users that have enough work for being also conecerned by random breackage |
| 23:34.11 | Brigo | i asked it first! |
| 23:34.18 | teraflop | Brigo: yeah you win |
| 23:34.34 | Brigo | of course, as always :D |
| 23:35.00 | teraflop | you just win a battle ... |
| 23:35.05 | srg | Marezz: Debian stable is for users who want a stable OS without many updates (you always get security updates though) |
| 23:35.21 | srg | Marezz: I personally prefer debian testing, but that takes time to make sure things don't break (and when they do, time to fix them) |
| 23:35.51 | ZIPY | teraflop, not yet, what log should i look for, pulseaudio maybe? |
| 23:36.16 | Marezz | srg, So its work oriented? |
| 23:36.22 | Marezz | not for a regular home use? |
| 23:36.23 | Brigo | ZIPY, sound in general. |
| 23:36.26 | wilornel | Hm.. gentoo(as a guest in qemu) was able to use my network card. Debian can't? |
| 23:36.44 | srg | Marezz: no, not work oriented. I run debian testing on my laptop, and debian stable on my server. |
| 23:36.45 | Brigo | ZIPY, start wiht journalctl -alb |
| 23:37.20 | teraflop | ZIPY: dmesg, and journalctl, maybe launching pulse not to respwan so you can se it crashing |
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| 23:37.57 | ZIPY | Ok i will check them tomorrow, thx for the infos. Heading to bed for now. Gn8 |
| 23:37.59 | teraflop | ZIPY: if is true that's pulses fault ... |
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| 23:38.18 | ZIPY | Yes i think too |
| 23:38.28 | ZIPY | I will check both |
| 23:38.41 | ZIPY | Cya tmrw i guess =) |
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| 23:38.58 | wilornel | Why does debian need the host to use bridge-utils while gentoo doesn't? |
| 23:39.33 | teraflop | also run pulse not to respawn and launch it manually from a terminal and/or pipe the output to a file |
| 23:39.36 | Brigo | wilornel, that is entirely qemu related. |
| 23:39.58 | wilornel | got it! |
| 23:40.39 | Marezz | srg, Do you play video games on it occasionally? |
| 23:40.47 | teraflop | wilornel: because you do nat instead of doing bridging? |
| 23:41.14 | srg | Marezz: I don't, I use my laptop for school mostly. I have a windows desktop that I use for the occasional game (portal, half life, call of duty, etc) |
| 23:41.27 | Marezz | Ah |
| 23:41.31 | srg | Marezz: But there is a "games on debian" project |
| 23:42.21 | srg | Marezz: https://packages.debian.org/stable/games/ |
| 23:42.23 | Marezz | srg, Could you please give me a link about it? |
| 23:42.35 | srg | Marezz: and https://wiki.debian.org/Games |
| 23:43.00 | nbt | ZIPY: run pavucontrol and check that none of the devices are set to mute |
| 23:43.05 | teraflop | wilornel: look at what dependencies has that qemu youre using there and youll know the answer, if what you say is true |
| 23:43.12 | dodebo | jova 2: i think i validated the md5sum |
| 23:43.25 | nbt | ZIPY: that's how I fixed my no sound problem on jessie |
| 23:43.55 | teraflop | nbt: you also lost the sound after 2 days of use? |
| 23:43.57 | dodebo | i need to also validate the shasum though right |
| 23:44.18 | srg | Marezz: If you use Steam: https://wiki.debian.org/Steam |
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| 23:46.16 | shentino | I just did a fresh install of debian, and I have no sound |
| 23:46.26 | shentino | sound kernel modules are loaded |
| 23:46.35 | shentino | I get a "unable to open slave" error, even from root |
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| 23:51.17 | guillaume1 | heloo |
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| 23:51.25 | guillaume1 | i need help |
| 23:51.40 | guillaume1 | i try to install ps3mediaserver on debian 8 but i am unable to do it |
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| 23:52.00 | guillaume1 | i do many search and all of them seem to don't work |
| 23:52.05 | guillaume1 | somone can help ? |
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| 23:55.19 | wilornel | Ach, the live cd can "detect network hardware" and do something with DHCp to get networking working. Then, when I boot into the installed debian system, I do not have those capabilities |
| 23:55.25 | wilornel | So the problem is not with qemu |
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| 23:58.28 | Brigo | wilornel, i have installed jessi some days ago and i got network with dhcp. No problems. |
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| 23:59.50 | wilornel | I just had network configured using the live cd |
