| 00:00.15 | wilornel | I could wget http://google.com |
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| 00:02.02 | Brigo | wilornel, it could be a problem in the installation are you using network manager? |
| 00:02.15 | wilornel | nope |
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| 00:02.49 | wilornel | how can I install it? |
| 00:02.50 | Brigo | the /etc/network/interface, paste it if yes. |
| 00:02.58 | Brigo | s/the/then/ |
| 00:03.15 | Brigo | wilornel, are you using a desktop environment -like gnome-? |
| 00:03.19 | wilornel | nope |
| 00:03.39 | wilornel | one sec let me boot into debian and I'll try to look at /etc/network/interface |
| 00:03.40 | Brigo | network-manger neeeds one, so go on with /etc/network/interface |
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| 00:04.18 | wilornel | well, I have /etc/network/interfaces.d/ |
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| 00:04.41 | wilornel | ach I have interfaces as well |
| 00:05.13 | wilornel | "source /etc/network/interfaces.d/* \n auto lo \n iface lo inet loopback" |
| 00:05.22 | wilornel | yeah it seems like it didn't setup anything for the ethernet card |
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| 00:06.48 | wilornel | So what am I looking for ? "Network Block Device modules?" |
| 00:07.35 | Brigo | wilornel, you need a file with some lines like: |
| 00:07.51 | Brigo | allow-hotplug eth0 |
| 00:07.58 | Brigo | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 00:08.10 | Brigo | wilornel, that should suffice. |
| 00:08.24 | wilornel | and that's it? Do I need to restart any daemon? |
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| 00:08.44 | jordila | hi #debian community |
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| 00:08.54 | Brigo | wilornel, no, just run ifup eth0 |
| 00:09.01 | Brigo | after edit that file. |
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| 00:10.30 | jordila | i'm suffering 'FATAL -> Failed to fork.' in my server, altough memory resources are enought (htop shows 75 % of memory left!)...mmmh, what am i missing ? thanks for your attentio |
| 00:10.40 | Brigo | and may be you need to add and 'auto eth0' line too, for bringing it up at system boot. |
| 00:11.11 | Brigo | jordila, we need more information, check logs. |
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| 00:11.28 | DrPeppy | is there a better tool than wget to download a 1.5GB .iso? |
| 00:11.38 | jordila | thanks Brigo |
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| 00:12.11 | dvs | DrPeppy: jigdo |
| 00:12.19 | Brigo | jordila, np :) |
| 00:12.23 | guillaume1 | somone have try serviio ? |
| 00:12.33 | Brigo | DrPeppy, or curl, may be. |
| 00:12.49 | guillaume1 | i seek a good multimedia server to stream content to my x-box any idea since ps3mediaserver won't seem to work ?? |
| 00:12.57 | DrPeppy | LiveCDs don't have .jigdos |
| 00:13.14 | DrPeppy | only .iso |
| 00:14.03 | Brigo | guillaume1, xbmc. |
| 00:14.03 | sveta | DrPeppy: for some reason people keep asking to also make live CDs in the .jondo format |
| 00:14.08 | sveta | jogdo |
| 00:14.10 | shentino | fixed it |
| 00:14.11 | sveta | jigdo |
| 00:14.24 | sveta | (how do they even pronounce it??...) |
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| 00:14.25 | guillaume1 | thx Brigo i make search for it right now :D |
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| 00:15.24 | Brigo | guillaume1, yw :) |
| 00:15.38 | guillaume1 | Brigo it is called kodi ? |
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| 00:16.23 | Brigo | guillaume1, i don't know kodi. xbmc is a media center for xbox, it is in debian repos. |
| 00:16.37 | prince_jammys | xbmc has been re-named kodi. |
| 00:16.46 | guillaume1 | yhea i got the right stuff hehe |
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| 00:16.51 | prince_jammys | it's the same project. The jessie packages are kodi-* |
| 00:16.56 | guillaume1 | i type in xbmc in google and find kodi |
| 00:17.18 | guillaume1 | add-apt-repository ppa:team-xbmc/ppa |
| 00:17.23 | Brigo | ,v kodi |
| 00:17.24 | judd | Package: kodi on amd64 -- jessie-multimedia: 5:14.2+repack-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 5:14.2+repack-dmo2 |
| 00:17.25 | guillaume1 | o sry wrong windows |
| 00:17.40 | Brigo | ,v xbmc |
| 00:17.41 | judd | Package: xbmc on amd64 -- wheezy: 2:11.0~git20120510.82388d5-1; wheezy-backports: 2:13.2+dfsg1-3~bpo70+1; jessie: 2:13.2+dfsg1-4; stretch: 2:13.2+dfsg1-4; sid: 2:13.2+dfsg1-4; wheezy-multimedia: 4:12.3.1-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 5:14.2; sid-multimedia: 5:14.2 |
| 00:18.05 | Brigo | guillaume1, are you using ubuntu?? |
| 00:18.09 | guillaume1 | do i need additional plugin like ffmpeg ? |
| 00:18.09 | prince_jammys | guillaume1: why ppa? |
| 00:18.14 | guillaume1 | no i am on debian 8 |
| 00:18.23 | prince_jammys | then you just install kodi with apt. |
| 00:18.28 | guillaume1 | don't know why it's in the tuto |
| 00:18.37 | Brigo | guillaume1, the delete that app line |
| 00:18.37 | guillaume1 | and seem working t'il now |
| 00:18.49 | prince_jammys | I think you can even install it as xbmc, which'll still just install kodi. |
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| 00:19.29 | guillaume1 | it is better to use apt or aptitude ? |
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| 00:19.39 | Brigo | guillaume1, as you wish. |
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| 00:19.55 | Brigo | guillaume1, it is really a matter of taste. |
| 00:20.06 | guillaume1 | i see |
| 00:20.22 | guillaume1 | don't work at all :( |
| 00:20.26 | guillaume1 | repo is death |
| 00:20.35 | sveta | update it |
| 00:20.35 | guillaume1 | all repo i have try today are death |
| 00:20.41 | sveta | apt-get update or aptitude update |
| 00:20.41 | guillaume1 | already done |
| 00:20.47 | sveta | show your sources.list |
| 00:20.48 | Brigo | guillaume1, of course it is if you was adding ppas, that is for ubuntu, not debian. |
| 00:20.49 | guillaume1 | impossible to get data |
| 00:21.17 | guillaume1 | so i have to do what for it to work since it's the debian tuto i am following and it' say ppa: |
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| 00:21.52 | prince_jammys | if anything, you need deb-multimedia repo. No ppa. |
| 00:22.12 | guillaume1 | ok i continue my research ten |
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| 00:23.02 | guillaume1 | so the tuto on the official kodi page is wrong to use with debian :( |
| 00:23.07 | guillaume1 | i am at the same point |
| 00:23.14 | guillaume1 | nothing seem to work on debian |
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| 00:23.24 | promet | Hi, I've got a good wireless roaming setup on my raspbian pi setup. This uses dhcp. I'd like to keep the connection flexibility, but have a static ip. Anyone have any thoughts? http://hastebin.com/raw/uqidoruwuy |
| 00:23.26 | guillaume1 | i might switch to ubuntu :( i hate ubuntu |
| 00:23.34 | prince_jammys | guillaume1: kodi works on debian, I've installed it. |
| 00:23.44 | guillaume1 | how do you have installed it |
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| 00:23.55 | prince_jammys | guillaume1: well, I had installed xbmc and I upgraded to jessie it became kodi. |
| 00:23.59 | guillaume1 | it's not in the standart repo |
| 00:24.02 | promet | That's so good and simple I'd hate to mess with it, but... |
| 00:24.03 | Brigo | guillaume1, you have messed your debian configuration. Could you paste you /etc/source.list in paste.debian.net? |
| 00:24.12 | guillaume1 | sure |
| 00:24.15 | guillaume1 | just a min |
| 00:24.20 | Brigo | guillaume1, it is in the standar repo with xbmc name |
| 00:24.35 | guillaume1 | # |
| 00:24.37 | guillaume1 | # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 8.0.0 _Jessie_ - Official Multi-architecture amd64/i386 NETINST #1 20150425-17:05]/ jessie main |
| 00:24.39 | guillaume1 | #deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 8.0.0 _Jessie_ - Official Multi-architecture amd64/i386 NETINST #1 20150425-17:05]/ jessie main |
| 00:24.41 | guillaume1 | deb http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ jessie main |
| 00:24.42 | Brigo | guillaume1, stop! |
| 00:24.43 | guillaume1 | deb-src http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ jessie main |
| 00:24.45 | guillaume1 | deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main |
| 00:24.47 | guillaume1 | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main |
| 00:24.49 | guillaume1 | # jessie-updates, previously known as 'volatile' |
| 00:24.51 | guillaume1 | deb http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main |
| 00:24.53 | guillaume1 | deb-src http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main |
| 00:24.55 | guillaume1 | deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ stable main non-free contrib |
| 00:24.57 | guillaume1 | deb-src http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ stable main non-free contrib |
| 00:24.59 | guillaume1 | but somone asked me to paste it |
| 00:25.16 | guillaume1 | o sry my mystake |
| 00:25.16 | Brigo | guillaume1, in paste.debian.net, not here :) |
| 00:25.19 | Brigo | !flood |
| 00:25.19 | dpkg | It's considered impolite to paste many lines of text on IRC. Please don't do it. Pasting one line is fine. Pasting two lines you can usually get away with. Pasting three lines will get you insulted. Pasting four or more lines will get you kicked. If you want to paste, ask me about <paste> |
| 00:25.27 | guillaume1 | sry i won't do it again |
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| 00:26.52 | Brigo | guillaume1, you have to comment the lines with ftp.ca.debian.org you already have that sources with ftp.fr.debian.org |
| 00:26.53 | guillaume1 | here i do it right now |
| 00:26.55 | guillaume1 | http://paste.debian.net/177899/ |
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| 00:27.50 | guillaume1 | even if one of them is main and other non-free? |
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| 00:28.33 | Brigo | ftp.fr have main to, check it. |
| 00:28.37 | prince_jammys | I see, it is called xbmc in the main repo, and kodi in deb-multimedia. |
| 00:28.50 | guillaume1 | o sry my mystaki am in canada so the .fr is the wrong one |
| 00:28.53 | DrPeppy | damn ... Firefox said download was completeâit wasn't. only 70 of 1,500 MB came down. |
| 00:28.56 | Brigo | xbmc is version 12, kodi is 14. |
| 00:29.25 | Brigo | guillaume1, then commen them and add non-free anc contrib to .ca lines. |
| 00:29.43 | guillaume1 | ok il try |
| 00:29.50 | Brigo | DrPeppy, whay don't you us wget? |
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| 00:30.24 | jordila | i'm suffering 'FATAL -> Failed to fork.' in my server, altough memory resources are enought (htop shows 75 % of memory left!)...mmmh, what am i missing ? thanks for your attention ( please find system log/messages : https://gist.github.com/jordila/e856b2465bf61cabb039 ) |
| 00:30.31 | guillaume1 | how to remove the ppa i have added it give me error since i have added it |
| 00:30.59 | guillaume1 | it work with .cd and contrib non-free thx |
| 00:31.06 | guillaume1 | but kodi still don't work |
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| 00:31.19 | bazhang | ppa for debian? |
| 00:31.41 | guillaume1 | yhea my mistake i followed the wrong tuto |
| 00:31.56 | bazhang | ppa are NOT meant for debian |
| 00:32.14 | guillaume1 | yhea i know now lol but 15 min ago was not knowing that |
| 00:32.27 | Brigo | guillaume1, just delete it and apt-get update |
| 00:32.38 | guillaume1 | it is not in my source.list |
| 00:32.50 | guillaume1 | i don'tknow how to find and deleete it |
| 00:33.03 | Brigo | guillaume1, it should be in a file in sources.list.d |
| 00:33.04 | DrPeppy | Brigo: yes, i'm using wget now |
| 00:33.14 | Brigo | i mean /etc/apt/sources.list.d |
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| 00:34.01 | guillaume1 | what is the command to open the filemanager in root mode |
| 00:34.11 | guillaume1 | i find the file but unable to deleete it |
| 00:34.31 | Brigo | guillaume1, can you use a console? |
| 00:34.42 | guillaume1 | sure i am in a console right now è |
| 00:35.00 | Brigo | then su - and you will be asked for the root password. |
| 00:35.01 | guillaume1 | i use weechat but it's been like 1 year ihave not used linux i forgot lot of stuff :( |
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| 00:35.35 | Brigo | guillaume1, just a couple of week and you will see :) |
| 00:35.42 | guillaume1 | i hope |
| 00:35.50 | guillaume1 | was so borred of winbouze |
| 00:36.46 | guillaume1 | i am un su mode how i ask to open the file manager since i have forgot how to deleete file in command line -_- |
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| 00:37.24 | bezaban | guillaume1: rm <file> |
| 00:37.26 | ryouma | man rm |
| 00:37.44 | guillaume1 | bleh so logic. and haved forgotten |
| 00:37.46 | bezaban | try a little bit harder first please |
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| 00:38.03 | darthanubis | deadbeef not playing m3u playlists? |
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| 00:38.58 | guillaume1 | bezaban was having somone was helping me so i simply asked if you ar offenssed because i ask help on an help channel maybe you are not at your place here |
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| 00:39.59 | bezaban | guillaume1: we are all volunteers here, not your personal servants. This is an extremely basic command which I expect you to to find out had on your own if you had tried |
| 00:40.22 | bezaban | had you tried* |
| 00:40.36 | guillaume1 | it's done everything fine |
| 00:40.43 | bezaban | good luck |
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| 00:41.04 | guillaume1 | bezaban yhe i know it's a basic command i am a bit rusted i don't need ALL command to be asked only few one !!! |
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| 00:41.16 | guillaume1 | ppa succesfully removed thanks allot |
| 00:41.27 | bezaban | guillaume1: debian has no ppa's |
| 00:41.34 | guillaume1 | now i know |
| 00:41.41 | Brigo | guillaume1, remember apt-get update |
| 00:41.54 | guillaume1 | i use aptitude but yhea iT's done with no error |
| 00:42.13 | guillaume1 | and removed the .fr one so now it's quicker |
| 00:43.11 | guillaume1 | still unable to find kodi |
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| 00:43.18 | guillaume1 | and the official tuto use ppa :( |
| 00:43.22 | guillaume1 | so it don't work |
| 00:43.24 | Brigo | guillaume1, then you now can just install xbmc with apt-get instll xbmc |
| 00:43.31 | bezaban | there is no 'official' ppa tutorial |
| 00:43.35 | prince_jammys | guillaume1: forget the damn ppa. install xbmc. |
| 00:43.49 | Brigo | or add debian-multimedia repository and add kodi. |
| 00:43.53 | guillaume1 | ho was trying to install with kodi name i try xb,c right now |
| 00:43.59 | prince_jammys | if you *eventually* want to try kodi, ... what Brigo said. |
| 00:44.38 | bezaban | ppa != debian |
| 00:45.05 | guillaume1 | lol it's registred never use ppa with debian |
| 00:45.12 | prince_jammys | to add deb-multimedia, should you want that, see directions at http://www.deb-multimedia.org/ |
| 00:45.15 | bezaban | corect |
| 00:45.37 | wilornel | Brigo: thanks tons! |
| 00:45.57 | guillaume1 | thanks y give it a try will tell you the result |
| 00:46.00 | Brigo | wilornel, you finally get network connetion? |
| 00:46.04 | jordila | hi brigo, as i was trying so say " i'm suffering 'FATAL -> Failed to fork.' in my server, altough memory resources are enought (htop shows 75 % of memory left!)...mmmh, what am i missing ? " (system log/messages can be read here : https://gist.github.com/jordila/e856b2465bf61cabb039 ) |
| 00:46.41 | jordila | any hints will be more than welcomed! thank again |
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| 00:47.18 | jordila | (i can try momentarily increasing rAm memory ... mmh ) |
| 00:47.36 | Brigo | jordila, there are some apt-get segfault, it shouldn't be. |
| 00:48.11 | Brigo | jordila, can you paste /etc/syslog ? or the output of journalctl -b ? |
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| 00:48.20 | jordila | sure brigo ! |
| 00:48.42 | guillaume1 | yup it work kodi is installing right now |
| 00:48.50 | guillaume1 | nice job :) |
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| 00:48.57 | guillaume1 | thanks you all |
| 00:49.18 | wilornel | build-essential is an unavailable package on debian? |
| 00:49.23 | Brigo | guillaume1, debian have more than 32000 packages. Search into debian first. :) |
| 00:49.36 | dvs | ,v build-essential |
| 00:49.37 | judd | Package: build-essential on amd64 -- squeeze: 11.5; wheezy: 11.5; stretch: 11.7; jessie: 11.7; sid: 11.7; experimental: 12 |
| 00:49.51 | wilornel | what's the repo? |
| 00:49.51 | guillaume1 | i know but half of that is with really old tuto so many of them don't work now |
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| 00:50.22 | guillaume1 | i am in research mode since 13:00 and it's no 20:50 |
| 00:51.12 | Brigo | guillaume1, many people thinks debian is like ubuntu and then use ppas. If a tutorias talks about ppas for debian, then you know they know nothing about debian. |
| 00:51.44 | guillaume1 | yep i know that now and it will help allot ALLOT !!!! |
| 00:52.04 | guillaume1 | i still get one error it say no pubkey |
| 00:52.09 | guillaume1 | even after adding it |
| 00:52.18 | guillaume1 | but it work with the error |
| 00:52.29 | guillaume1 | i don't understand why but it work even with this error |
| 00:53.01 | Brigo | guillaume1, it is a warning, you could be download software from wrong server :) |
| 00:53.52 | guillaume1 | ha simply so now i have to read on how to use kodi it is installed and running thanks allot to all of you for your patience and your help :D |
| 00:54.01 | guillaume1 | have a badass day |
| 00:54.04 | guillaume1 | :) |
| 00:54.17 | Brigo | guillaume1, np :) |
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| 00:59.13 | bazhang | ,v kodi |
| 00:59.14 | judd | Package: kodi on amd64 -- jessie-multimedia: 5:14.2+repack-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 5:14.2+repack-dmo2 |
| 00:59.48 | jordila | hi Brigo ! got the requested /var/log/syslog ( https://gist.github.com/jordila/bafbf113110f79a8b5be ) thanks again |
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| 01:03.48 | marbus90 | hrm. anyone here fluent in bonding intel quadport nics against a lacp capable switch on jessie? |
| 01:03.50 | midow | hello, how do i extract an ISO file. I can't mount it. |
| 01:04.03 | midow | (I don't need help mounting it. I want to extract it) |
| 01:04.25 | marbus90 | here are my tries: http://pastebin.com/MBqiPZGf eth0 is the main and active if, interestingly I can ping 192.168.1.41 but no traffic over bond0 then... |
| 01:04.43 | midow | nvm, found it :D |
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| 01:07.53 | ryouma | i can't unmount something. what lsof or fuser options will show why? |
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| 01:22.23 | jordila | hi , i'm getting "Reading package lists... Error! |
| 01:22.24 | jordila | Segmentation fault" |
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| 01:22.44 | jordila | ...when i ap-get update... any hints!? thanks ! |
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| 01:24.04 | bezaban | jordila: check /etc/sources.list |
| 01:24.20 | bezaban | /etc/apt/* |
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| 01:25.06 | bezaban | ./etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 01:26.43 | jordila | thanks bezaban ... i don't get get, what should i check in there ? thanks ! |
| 01:27.31 | jordila | (typo ... * i don't get it* ... i was willing to say, bezaban ) |
| 01:28.32 | bezaban | jordila: might be a wild goosechase, but not sure what that error means. What happens if you apt-get update first |
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| 01:28.56 | bezaban | I've seen it before though |
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| 01:29.35 | bezaban | oh. segfault |
| 01:29.42 | jordila | the error message appears while apt-get update ... |
| 01:30.24 | bezaban | does apt segfault otherwise? |
| 01:30.26 | jordila | yes.. segfault ... this is really worrying me, as long as we are referring to a production server :-/ |
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| 01:30.55 | jordila | yes bezaban, like apt-get install foo ... |
| 01:31.00 | bezaban | you might want to do a manual purge or check drives (but I am drunk) |
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| 01:31.26 | bezaban | perhaps reinstall apt |
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| 01:31.42 | jordila | ha,ha ... drunk... |
| 01:32.01 | jordila | say, if i apt-get install git |
| 01:32.01 | jordila | FATAL -> Failed to fork. 0% |
| 01:32.09 | jordila | :-/ does it ring a bell ? |
| 01:32.44 | sveta | er |
| 01:32.59 | yurikoles | gdb? |
| 01:33.20 | sveta | it ran out of memory |
| 01:33.23 | jordila | here can https://gist.github.com/jordila/bafbf113110f79a8b5be syslog be found... bezaban |
| 01:33.27 | sveta | how much free memory do you have |
| 01:33.52 | jordila | root@patagon01:/# free |
| 01:33.52 | jordila | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:33.52 | jordila | Mem: 477912 459144 18768 0 75380 137880 |
| 01:33.52 | jordila | -/+ buffers/cache: 245884 232028 |
| 01:33.52 | jordila | Swap: 262140 0 262140 |
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| 01:35.11 | sveta | used: 459 thousand; free: 18 thousand |
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| 01:35.30 | jordila | sorry... |
| 01:35.36 | sveta | something is using 459MB from 477MB of your ram |
| 01:35.49 | sveta | can you check output of `top' and sort it by memory to see what it is? |
| 01:36.02 | jordila | sveta ... seems no to htop |
| 01:36.20 | sveta | not htop. i mean top. but htop is better |
| 01:36.23 | somiaj | !free memory |
| 01:36.23 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>. |
| 01:36.44 | somiaj | didn't see the whole issue, but don't feel surprised if lots of your ram is being used for cache |
| 01:36.45 | jordila | i'm confused... because htop said 240 / 466 MB used... :-/ |
| 01:37.06 | jordila | mmmh... thanks somiaj, and sveta |
| 01:37.39 | somiaj | jordila: what version of debian is on this server? |
| 01:37.40 | jordila | side question, why is htop showing different results compared to free command ? |
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| 01:37.59 | sveta | i don't know, i am not good at it |
| 01:38.04 | somiaj | jordila: read that info about cached memeory, it depends on if the calculator counts cached memeory as free or not. |
| 01:38.05 | jordila | Debian 7 |
| 01:38.05 | sveta | maybe it means there is some swap |
| 01:38.20 | somiaj | the fact he is using 0 swap says he isn't having much memory issues. |
| 01:38.32 | jordila | htop shows zero swap being used |
| 01:38.45 | jordila | indeed... this is so confusing to me... |
| 01:39.02 | somiaj | his memory is being cached which is just fine, the fact that apt is segfaulting is more distribuing, not sure if it is a corrupte package list or something wrong with the binaires on his server |
| 01:39.20 | somiaj | jordila: just for the fun of it, check dmesg, look for hardware issues, such as harddrive issues, input/output issues, such as hardware is failing. |
| 01:39.24 | yurikoles | is dpkg working? |
| 01:39.39 | yurikoles | it's VPS |
| 01:39.51 | jordila | its a VPS |
| 01:40.25 | jordila | yurikoles ... how can i check dpkg , thanks |
| 01:40.43 | somiaj | jordila: you can make sure all your packages are configured, try 'dpkg --configure -a' |
| 01:41.18 | jordila | ( BTW : i'm getting PHP Fatal error: Out of memory too ...) |
| 01:41.43 | jordila | dpkg --configure -a runs without problems... seems to |
| 01:41.44 | dpkg | jordila: i don't know |
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| 01:42.17 | yurikoles | wget http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/apt/apt_0.9.7.9+deb7u7_amd64.deb |
| 01:42.24 | yurikoles | dpkg -i apt*.deb |
| 01:42.24 | dpkg | removes a liver from yurikoles and replaces it with apt*.deb |
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| 01:43.39 | jordila | somiaj ... |
| 01:43.46 | somiaj | jordila: I missed it, just for a recap, can you run 'apt-get update' and paste the output at paste.debian.net |
| 01:43.58 | jordila | apt-get[5278]: segfault at ffffffffffffffff ip 00007f7a88ded1e4 sp 00007fff9414f610 error 5 in libapt-pkg.so.4.12.0[7f7a88d91000+127000] |
| 01:43.59 | jordila | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:44.21 | somiaj | jordila: hmm, well now we know the corrupt libary it seems. |
| 01:44.52 | jordila | ah |
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| 01:45.21 | jordila | BTW, if i ls at / |
| 01:45.33 | jordila | i get weird things like '????????????? bootetc ... |
| 01:45.36 | jordila | :-/ |
| 01:45.43 | somiaj | ,v libapt-pkg4.12 |
| 01:45.45 | judd | Package: libapt-pkg4.12 on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 0.9.7.9+deb7u6; wheezy: 0.9.7.9+deb7u7; jessie: 1.0.9.8; sid: 1.0.9.9; stretch: 1.0.9.9 |
| 01:46.29 | jordila | mmmh... |
| 01:46.33 | jordila | i'm lost now |
| 01:46.45 | jordila | thanks again for your support ! |
| 01:47.23 | jordila | may i tray to remove/replace the corrupted library ? |
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| 01:48.39 | somiaj | jordila: I dobut it is the libary, I'm fiding some info no this, but it is old, trying to figure out the best fix |
| 01:48.41 | wilornel | ,build-essential |
| 01:48.49 | wilornel | ,v build-essential |
| 01:48.51 | judd | Package: build-essential on amd64 -- squeeze: 11.5; wheezy: 11.5; stretch: 11.7; jessie: 11.7; sid: 11.7; experimental: 12 |
| 01:49.26 | somiaj | jordila: one thing I am seeing might work is remove the files in /var/cache/apt/*.bin (or just move them somewhere safe just in case) |
| 01:49.45 | somiaj | jordila: so mv /var/cache/apt/*.bin $HOME (or someplace for the time being), then run apt-get update |
| 01:50.39 | somiaj | the other thing is if you excede apt's cache limit it will seg-fault, there is a config option you can use to ensure that you have a higher cache limit. |
| 01:50.39 | jordila | ok somiaj.. let's proceed, fingers crossed |
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| 01:50.53 | somiaj | Those are the two common fixes I found looking at bug reports for similar issues |
| 01:51.10 | jordila | ah... what do you suggest to try first.. ? |
| 01:51.49 | somiaj | I'd say since you have limited memory lets just do the hope it is a corrupted cache and move the .bin files someone else |
| 01:52.09 | jordila | okay ... let's try... |
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| 01:52.36 | jordila | so, as per your suggestion... 'mv /var/cache/apt/*.bin $HOME' |
| 01:52.44 | yurikoles | 90MB is to low for apt? |
| 01:53.33 | jordila | mmh ... yurikoles |
| 01:53.35 | jordila | now is : |
| 01:53.46 | jordila | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:53.46 | jordila | Mem: 477912 459764 18148 |
| 01:53.51 | wilornel | Which repository do I have to add to get build-essential? |
| 01:53.55 | yurikoles | use -m flag |
| 01:54.05 | somiaj | jordila: now run apt-get update |
| 01:54.27 | somiaj | wilornel: it is in the main repo, you shodultn' need to add anything special provided you are using a valid debian mirror and not some local cdrom sources |
| 01:54.31 | wilornel | And how am I supposed to figure that out? I can't find anything online |
| 01:54.52 | somiaj | wilornel: can you paste the output of 'apt-cache policy' at paste.debian.net |
| 01:54.54 | wilornel | I have security.debian.org showing up in apt-cache policy and that's it |
| 01:55.03 | somiaj | wilornel: that means you don't have actual sources configured yet |
| 01:55.04 | wilornel | no other urls |
| 01:55.07 | somiaj | wilornel: what version of debian are you using? |
| 01:55.08 | wilornel | ah! |
| 01:55.16 | wilornel | I installed from... |
| 01:55.17 | wilornel | let me find it |
| 01:55.26 | somiaj | wilornel: wheezy(7) or the new jessie(8) |
| 01:55.27 | jordila | somiaj FATAL -> Failed to fork. |
| 01:55.36 | somiaj | jordila: okay seems like a cache issue |
| 01:55.43 | jordila | :-) |
| 01:55.55 | wilornel | debian-testing-i386 |
| 01:56.19 | somiaj | wilornel: testing? usually you don't use testing insatllers. |
| 01:56.32 | wilornel | I got it from debian.org after following a guide on how to install debian on a qemu vm |
| 01:56.33 | somiaj | anyways, if you dont' know that youa re running debian testing you shoudlnt' be running debian testing and should be running stable |
| 01:56.40 | somiaj | anyways |
| 01:56.46 | somiaj | !tell wilornel about jessie sources.list |
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| 01:57.12 | jordila | mmh... cache issue |
| 01:57.12 | wilornel | they recommended that such that I could have the bare minimum installed, then plugged in to a network and then the rest would get installed from the machine itself |
| 01:57.14 | somiaj | wilornel: that is the sources.list for jessie, since I have no clue what generation of this testing iso you got I can't be of much help, but if you are really running testing every where that factoid has jessie write stretch instead. |
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| 01:57.47 | somiaj | jordila: http://paste.debian.net/177930/ -- can you understand that? I've seen various people suggest this fix, I've seen them set the limit to 200000 or 300000, |
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| 01:58.11 | somiaj | jordila: but it is a config file to increase the cache limit of apt. It might not be reserving enough cache due to limited memeory on the vps |
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| 01:58.24 | wilornel | debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 01:58.27 | wilornel | netinst |
| 01:58.29 | wilornel | Network install |
| 01:58.34 | wilornel | that was what they were suggesting |
| 01:58.39 | jordila | yes somiaj, i get it... i can try to |
| 01:58.40 | yurikoles | who? |
| 01:58.43 | wilornel | debian |
| 01:58.51 | yurikoles | no way |
| 01:58.56 | wilornel | yes way |
| 01:58.57 | somiaj | wilornel: I would not trust any guide that says you should install debian testing. |
| 01:58.59 | yurikoles | only stable |
| 01:59.09 | somiaj | wilornel: espically right now, testing can be really broken right after a release. |
| 01:59.14 | yurikoles | please provide proof |
| 01:59.37 | jordila | somiaj (what confuses me is the fact of cache limit... is'nt apt-ge cache on ROM ... does RAM size impact on ? ) |
| 01:59.46 | somiaj | wilornel: anyways, if it is testing you stretch in your sources.list, either way I'm leaving you on your own, but my suggestion is you don't understand debian well enough yet to be running testing, you should go get a debian 8 (jessie) iso and install stable. |
| 01:59.48 | yurikoles | I saw a gcc-5 is beginining to migrate to testing |
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| 02:00.11 | wilornel | ACH I was reading the wrong section (testing/unstable) > . M |
| 02:00.14 | wilornel | >.< |
| 02:00.39 | somiaj | jordila: I'm unsure, it may decided how much cache to set based on free memeory, or total memeory, either way I've seen this as a suggested fix to apt segfaulting. |
| 02:00.48 | yurikoles | somiaj: first we need to ask the purpose of this install |
| 02:01.05 | yurikoles | I would suggest a testing for desktop |
| 02:01.09 | somiaj | yurikoles: feel free |
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| 02:01.10 | wilornel | they don't have jessie for qemu |
| 02:01.16 | yurikoles | but not now, of course |
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| 02:01.30 | somiaj | yurikoles: I would not, since it is very unstable. Now months before the release of jessie I would. |
| 02:01.48 | somiaj | yurikoles: but I wouldn't recomened testing for a desktop for about 6 months from now, let the normal flow start. (: |
| 02:01.54 | jordila | somiaj , i do not have a /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99local file ... in order to edit it following your suggestion |
| 02:01.55 | yurikoles | wilornel: who suggests? |
| 02:02.00 | somiaj | jordila: create it. |
| 02:02.04 | jordila | o |
| 02:02.06 | jordila | ok |
| 02:02.23 | jordila | done |
| 02:02.35 | wilornel | What is the difference between the standard and the desktop here: ? https://people.debian.org/~aurel32/qemu/amd64/ |
| 02:02.45 | wilornel | They have very different file size |
| 02:03.13 | wilornel | ah, he explains it, nevermind... |
| 02:03.14 | jordila | Reading package lists... Done |
| 02:03.14 | jordila | FATAL -> Failed to fork. |
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| 02:04.30 | somiaj | jordila: the hits I see are about memeory. Can you say temeporally stop some serveices to free up some memeory? |
| 02:06.14 | jordila | sure somiaj |
| 02:06.28 | jordila | i'll stop apache and mysql |
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| 02:08.35 | jordila | uops... it got frozen while "root@patagon01:/# service mysql stop |
| 02:08.35 | jordila | [....] Stopping MySQL database server: mysqld |
| 02:09.26 | yurikoles | somiaj: if it is run out of mem why the swap is zero? |
| 02:09.59 | somiaj | yurikoles: I don't nkow, I didn't think it was memory issues, but the errors he is getting always seem to point to meomery according to the hits I get on google. |
| 02:10.18 | jordila | (...maybe a to aggresive swappinness ? ) :-/ |
| 02:11.38 | jordila | now stopped apache service... |
| 02:11.55 | jordila | total used free shared buffers cached |
| 02:11.55 | jordila | Mem: 466 370 |
| 02:12.52 | jordila | (to give some retrospective... server was fine with just 384 MB, serving only HTML , CSS and JS ... |
| 02:13.18 | jordila | then i added a Drupal CMS instance, increase RAM from 384 to 512 ) |
| 02:13.19 | somiaj | jordila: yea it seems strange to me, but sometimes small memeory leaks add up over time and stuff just needs to be restarted when you are running on limited memeory |
| 02:14.10 | jordila | ok... so, should i cron some service restart or somehting like ? |
| 02:14.33 | jordila | uops! |
| 02:14.36 | somiaj | jordila: lets try to track down the cause of the issue first before jumping to what should you do. |
| 02:14.43 | jordila | now i get ... |
| 02:14.46 | somiaj | jordila: did stoping the services free up enough memeory that apt-get update runs? |
| 02:14.53 | jordila | Reading package lists... Done |
| 02:14.53 | jordila | W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs: |
| 02:14.54 | jordila | 7638D0442B90D010 |
| 02:15.01 | jordila | while apt-get update ... |
| 02:15.13 | somiaj | jordila: care to paste your sources.list at paste.debian.net |
| 02:15.18 | jordila | sure |
| 02:15.28 | somiaj | jordila: but that is a good sign, seems like now it is just a key issue so lets double check your sources. |
| 02:17.01 | jordila | simple somiaj no need to pastebin... i think so... |
| 02:17.05 | jordila | deb http://mirrors.gandi.net/debian wheezy main contrib non-free |
| 02:17.05 | jordila | deb http://mirrors.gandi.net/debian-security wheezy/updates main contrib non-free |
| 02:17.18 | jordila | they have mirrored repos seems to... |
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| 02:18.37 | somiaj | jordila: yea and I would normally suggest using their mirrors, but just for testing comment out those two lines with a #, and for the first one replace mirros.gandi.net with http.debian.net/debian and for the second use security.debian.org/ (I think you need to remove the debian-security part) |
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| 02:18.55 | somiaj | jordila: you may need to get the key for their mirrors. |
| 02:19.50 | Epakai | when you enter a domain during the debian install is it only stored as an entry in /etc/hosts? |
| 02:20.07 | jordila | somiaj... i have second debian VPserver at gandi... |
| 02:20.21 | jordila | can i get the mentioned keys from there ? |
| 02:20.36 | jordila | (that one is working fine ! ) |
| 02:20.40 | somiaj | Epakai: it might be put in /etc/hostname as well, not sure where else it would be put |
| 02:21.02 | zRecursive | Why do i lose the <END> key in Jessie ? I cannot use <END> in emacs and vim now. |
| 02:21.09 | somiaj | jordila: most likely, unsure where the keys are stored or how to add them though, there is an apt-key, but I am just a hobist and odn't deal with the keys |
| 02:21.22 | somiaj | zRecursive: are you in xorg? |
| 02:21.35 | zRecursive | somiaj: yeah |
| 02:21.42 | jordila | somiaj ...you're more than hobist, let me add |
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| 02:22.40 | somiaj | zRecursive: you can run 'xev' and then go to the window it creates and press the end key there and it should give you the events generated by the pressing the key. I'd check that. If you don't see anything this could mean that your wm or desktop is stealing the event due to some key binding or the event is not being generated at all. |
| 02:23.01 | somiaj | jordila: I just am a desktop user, I have used debian for about 15 years and run it on my single computer I built. |
| 02:24.11 | jordila | shit.. you made it ! |
| 02:24.20 | jordila | ? |
| 02:24.28 | jordila | i mean... you built it ? |
| 02:24.35 | jordila | wow |
| 02:24.37 | yurikoles | sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 7638D0442B90D010 |
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| 02:24.49 | somiaj | jordila: yea I buy parts online and put them together, really isn't hard, everything is color coded. |
| 02:24.51 | sveta | building a computer means putting together the mobo, video, audio, usb, hdd, cpu, and ram together |
| 02:25.12 | jordila | mmmok in a few words..i guess |
| 02:25.13 | sveta | ends up with a rather big desktop (on-table) computer, not a laptop |
| 02:25.18 | yurikoles | I think there is some other sources in sources.list.d |
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| 02:25.55 | jordila | ok.. now re-factoring sources.list as per somiaj 's suggestion |
| 02:26.21 | somiaj | jordila: and listen to yurikoles I fogot to have you check /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ do you have some stuff there? |
| 02:27.37 | zRecursive | somiaj: `xev` gives "...keycode 115(keysym 0xffeb Super_L)" after pressing <END> . |
| 02:28.20 | somiaj | zRecursive: sounds like a keymap issue, Super_L is the 'windows' key on many keyboards. |
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| 02:28.31 | somiaj | zRecursive: I dont' know the best way to check/change/cofnigrue keymaps though. |
| 02:28.41 | zRecursive | thanks |
| 02:28.55 | jordila | mmh.. so |
| 02:29.07 | jordila | somiaj, something like ? : |
| 02:29.07 | jordila | deb http://debian.net/debian wheezy main contrib non-free |
| 02:29.07 | jordila | deb http://security.debian.org/debian wheezy/updates main contrib non-free |
| 02:29.26 | somiaj | zRecursive: you could check out xmodmap, not sure if that can modify the the keymap with that or just the modifier keys |
| 02:29.32 | somiaj | !tell jordila about wheezy sources.list |
| 02:29.34 | somiaj | jordila: its http.debian.net |
| 02:29.42 | jordila | uops, thanks |
| 02:30.19 | jordila | deb http.debian.net/debian wheezy main contrib non-free |
| 02:30.19 | jordila | deb http.security.debian.org/debian wheezy/updates main contrib non-free |
| 02:30.20 | somiaj | hmm that factoid seems strange not sure why it is suggest httpredir.debian.org, http.debian.net is the main one that I know should be suggested |
| 02:30.21 | jordila | now .. |
| 02:30.41 | jordila | let's ap-get update again ... |
| 02:30.42 | somiaj | jordila: you need the http:// there and you need to remove the debian fromt he end of the security.org line |
| 02:30.56 | somiaj | jordila: and it isn't http.security.debian.org, it is just http://security.debian.org |
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| 02:32.17 | somiaj | jordila: hmm, seems http.debian.net is being replaced with httpredir.debian.org, I would listen to that factoid I had dpkg send you, and get your two sources.list line from him |
| 02:32.57 | jordila | thanks somiaj |
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| 02:35.12 | jordila | mmh--- sorry somiaj, i don't get the factoid thing |
| 02:35.50 | somiaj | it should be in a different chant window |
| 02:36.13 | jordila | ah... |
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| 02:38.41 | jordila | somiaj after correct sources.list editing .. |
| 02:38.43 | jordila | Reading package lists... Done |
| 02:38.44 | jordila | W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs: |
| 02:38.44 | jordila | 9D6D8F6BC857C906 |
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| 02:39.44 | somiaj | jordila: didy ou check for other sources in /etc/apt/sources.list.d |
| 02:40.21 | jordila | http://paste.debian.net/177937 sources.list |
| 02:40.27 | somiaj | jordila: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/75807/no-public-key-available-on-apt-get-update |
| 02:40.45 | somiaj | jordila: no I said /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ -- that is a directory that could have other soruces |
| 02:41.02 | somiaj | jordila: but that seems to be your issue, maybe install the debian-keyring and debian-archive-keyring packages. |
| 02:41.19 | jordila | indeed more sources, where you mentioned ... |
| 02:41.24 | jordila | "deb http://mirrors.gandi.net/gandi/debian wheezy main" |
| 02:41.31 | jordila | may a replace it too ? |
| 02:41.51 | somiaj | jordila: just remove that file, you also had those in your sources.list file, don't need it twice. |
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| 02:42.00 | jordila | ok |
| 02:42.05 | somiaj | jordila: that is the only file in that whole dir, it is okay that it is empty. |
| 02:42.08 | somiaj | jordila: okay try again. |
| 02:42.19 | somiaj | jordila: sorry this is taking to long, as I said i'm a hobbist, I figure it out sa we go. |
| 02:42.33 | jordila | done |
| 02:42.45 | jordila | thanks somiaj ! |
| 02:42.53 | jordila | really appreciate your effort |
| 02:42.58 | jordila | i love #debian |
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| 02:44.36 | somiaj | jordila: now it might be better to use your vps mirrors, as opposed to other ones, but I am not sure the best way to recover the keys from your other server. Maybe they have a support page that explains how you can get the keys for their mirrors |
| 02:44.41 | somiaj | but the mirrors I gave you will work just fine. |
| 02:44.49 | somiaj | jordila: so it is working now? |
| 02:45.04 | zRecursive | somiaj: there is "keycode 115=Super_L \nclear mod4 \nadd mod4=Super_L" in ~/.Xmodmap, how can i figure it out ? |
| 02:46.48 | zRecursive | can i restore the <end> key with mod4 works too ? |
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| 02:47.26 | jordila | somiaj , is working fine now as per stackexchange you suggested :-O |
| 02:47.39 | jordila | :-) thanks ! |
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| 02:48.13 | somiaj | jordila: maybe comment out the two new mirrors I added and try the local mirror, maybe the keys are the same as in the key ring |
| 02:48.14 | steven123654 | do the debian i386 mac images have build in proprietary driver support? |
| 02:48.36 | somiaj | zRecursive: you shodulnt' need to do anythign special to put Super_L as mod4, machines I use that is default. |
| 02:48.44 | somiaj | steven123654: what do you mean by that? |
| 02:49.01 | steven123654 | does http://mirror.internode.on.net/pub/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-cd/debian-mac-8.0.0-i386-netinst.iso work with my broadcom out of box? |
| 02:49.08 | zRecursive | somiaj: thx |
| 02:49.31 | steven123654 | According to OS X Wireless Card Firmware Version:Broadcom BCM43xx 1.0 (4.170.13.1) |
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| 02:49.52 | somiaj | steven123654: I have never seen those mac images so don't know if there is antying specail. But no I doubt there is broadcom support out of the box, you will need firmware from non-free most likely. |
| 02:50.06 | somiaj | actuall for those you might need the silly bcm43 firmware cutter |
| 02:50.25 | steven123654 | How do I give the installer the firmware if I am booted from DVD? |
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| 02:51.22 | somiaj | steven123654: there is way to add it via usb on a file, but I personally would just skip internet configuration. Install the system from the dvd (there is enough packages there for a full desktop) and then after you have a running install figure out how to get the firmware. |
| 02:51.35 | yurikoles | why don't you save it some storage? |
| 02:51.47 | somiaj | though I think for that image you can't just download the firmware from debian, you need to use a firmware cutter package which works best if you have another internet connenction to use. |
| 02:52.08 | somiaj | sorry for brodcom bcm43 network cards, you need more than just 'copy the firmware over' |
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| 02:53.50 | somiaj | steven123654: https://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx -- yea you can't just copy the firmware over as deian can't package or supply it for you, you have to cut it from broadcom's drivers. The easiest way is to do this from another inetnernt connenction. It is a pain to do without having an internet connenction. |
| 02:54.27 | steven123654 | what kind of pain? |
| 02:54.57 | yurikoles | there is #bcm-users |
| 02:55.00 | somiaj | steven123654: you have to go find a copy of broadcom's driver, and then manually run the bf43-firmware-cutter program, cut the firmware out and copy it over. |
| 02:55.04 | yurikoles | just use ethernet |
| 02:55.20 | somiaj | steven123654: if you have another internet connenction, debian provides a package in contrib that automates this, but you need the internet connenction to download the broadcom driver. |
| 02:55.47 | steven123654 | what about that prompt debian has to automatically install it in the installer? |
| 02:55.53 | somiaj | steven123654: i did it once, it just took a while to a) find the correct driver to cut, and b) find good instructions to explain the way to do it manually. Using the automated script from contrib is way easier. |
| 02:56.33 | somiaj | steven123654: that is just a general prompt when something is missing firmware. Most drivers you can just get the firmware from debian-nonfree or the vendor fairly easy and ocpy it into place. The card you have is just a pain in my experience. |
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| 02:59.49 | steven123654 | Last time I checked my Ralink USB wireless (802.11n) RT5370 is also proprietary :( |
| 03:00.19 | somiaj | steven123654: but you can get the firmware for that fairly easily, just download the firmware-ralink package from packages.debian.org, copy it over and install it |
| 03:00.42 | steven123654 | okay |
| 03:00.54 | somiaj | steven123654: if you want to do this during the install you need the actual firmware file. There is a way to put it in a proper place for the installer. I personally just skip the network connenction during the install. Then install the firmware and configure the network. |
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| 03:01.07 | steven123654 | okay |
| 03:01.28 | steven123654 | so i just do dpkg -i firmware-ralink-blabla.deb after installed? |
| 03:01.43 | somiaj | steven123654: correct, then unload and reload the moudle and it should work just fine. |
| 03:02.02 | steven123654 | how do i reload it? would a reboot work? |
| 03:02.09 | somiaj | steven123654: yes a reboot would work |
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| 03:02.21 | somiaj | steven123654: modprobe -r modulename, then modprobe modulename |
| 03:02.31 | somiaj | steven123654: no need to reboot, but if that suites your style, it works. |
| 03:03.27 | steven123654 | so this file on a FAT32 usb? http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/firmware-ralink_0.43_all.deb |
| 03:04.04 | yurikoles | yes |
| 03:04.11 | yurikoles | dpkg -i filename |
| 03:04.11 | dpkg | installs filename into yurikoles's head with a bone saw and a few screws |
| 03:05.42 | somiaj | steven123654: if you want it during the installer you need to actual firmawre files inside the package. But after the install is complete yes that will work. |
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| 03:12.02 | steven123654 | somiaj: where can i download the actual firmware files? |
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| 03:12.28 | somiaj | steven123654: they are in the .deb file, just extract them if you have a debian system. Else I think you can get them directaly from ralink's page |
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| 03:13.21 | steven123654 | what will they be called? do I have to rename the so file to rt5370.so? |
| 03:14.02 | somiaj | steven123654: they should be something.fw |
| 03:14.34 | somiaj | oh they are .bin files |
| 03:14.36 | steven123654 | rt3070.bin rt2860.bin rt2561.bin rt2561s.bin rt73.bin rt3290.bin rt2661.bin rt3090.bin rt3071.bin rt2870.bin |
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| 03:14.47 | steven123654 | i can't find rt5370 |
| 03:14.48 | somiaj | steven123654: https://packages.debian.org/jessie/firmware-ralink -- look at the package descirption, tells you what firwamre files it provides. |
| 03:15.19 | steven123654 | do i just put those bin files i listed above in the root directory of my usb drive? |
| 03:15.52 | somiaj | steven123654: https://wiki.debian.org/rt2800usb -- looks like the driver is supported, not sure which firmware file it actually uses though. |
| 03:16.02 | somiaj | steven123654: yes I belive that is the correct way to do it |
| 03:16.09 | steven123654 | okay thanks ^^ |
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| 04:18.58 | solrize | man it took like an hour to install debian 8 from a usb stick on my little netbook |
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| 04:20.02 | t4nk934 | yao nub here and I have an issue. Halp? |
| 04:20.27 | phy1729 | t4nk934: we could help a lot more if you clearly state your issue |
| 04:20.42 | badbodh | solrize o.0 netinstall ? dvd images do that in like 15-20 minutes |
| 04:20.50 | t4nk934 | trying to install samba to connect to my other debian box |
| 04:21.02 | t4nk934 | Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable distribution that some required packages have not yet been created or been moved out of Incoming. |
| 04:21.17 | t4nk934 | The following packages have unmet dependencies: samba : Depends: python-samba but it is not going to be installed Depends: samba-common-bin (= 2:4.1.17+dfsg-2) but it is not going to be installed Depends: samba-dsdb-modules but it is not going to be installed Depends: samba-libs (= 2:4.1.17+dfsg-2) but 2:4.1.17+dfsg-4 is to be installed Recommends: attr Recommends: samba-vfs-modules but i |
| 04:21.18 | themill | dpkg: tell t4nk934 about bat |
| 04:21.27 | solrize | cd #1 install lxde, but i think it did download some things. i was surprised it insisted on a net connection, so maybe it wasn't really cd? |
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| 04:23.00 | themill | t4nk934: also, you probably should be running jessie not prerelease versions of debian where there is significant change going on |
| 04:23.55 | solrize | it installed a lot of stuff like libre office which i didn't really want... is there a cd with less stuff on it? it's a very minimal machine, 4gb of internal flash disk, small screen, etc. i figured i still wanted a window system so i picked lxde which i thought was small but maybe it isn't |
| 04:24.07 | solrize | also it seems to have no power management? the laptop fan runs all the time |
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| 04:24.35 | themill | solrize: the installer only installed what you asked it to. It's not a matter of a "cd with less stuff on it" but "you choosing to select less stuff to install" |
| 04:24.35 | t4nk934 | http://paste.debian.net/177976/ |
| 04:24.47 | t4nk934 | there's the output of my sources and issue |
| 04:25.01 | t4nk934 | i'm really not trying to bork this box just yet |
| 04:25.07 | t4nk934 | not to * --- |
| 04:25.24 | solrize | themill, i didn't pick most of this stuff, there were 6 or so check boxes and i checked around 3 of them. but i did pick lxde and i guess that brought in all the apps. |
| 04:25.36 | themill | t4nk934: the output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy samba samba-common-bin samba-libs" too, please |
| 04:25.41 | solrize | i guess i can uninstall some of them and free some space |
| 04:25.45 | themill | solrize: indeed |
| 04:25.59 | solrize | or just stick an sd card into the machine for extra space |
| 04:26.21 | t4nk934 | my policy : http://paste.debian.net/177977/ |
| 04:26.40 | badbodh | solrize uninstalling default aps can be a bit tricky, if you remove meta packages apt-get autoremove will literally remove your entire installation |
| 04:27.04 | t4nk934 | samba pol: http://paste.debian.net/177978/ |
| 04:27.07 | solrize | hmm |
| 04:27.23 | blocky | what's the best way to get a cross compiler for mips? running jessie.. i've read through this https://wiki.debian.org/CrossToolchains and still not sure how to proceed, do i need to bootstrap everything? |
| 04:27.28 | solrize | like libre office? |
| 04:27.36 | themill | t4nk934: so installing samba-libs from sid or stretch wasn't a good plan. Remove that package and then have another go. |
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| 04:27.46 | t4nk934 | will do |
| 04:27.50 | themill | t4nk934: you might like to work out what other packages from outside jessie you have installed. |
| 04:28.28 | t4nk934 | yeah i had a dumb sources list when i first built the box |
| 04:28.29 | themill | (also, deb-multimedia.org frequently causes problems like this so you might like to rethink that approach... it isn't guilty *this* time) |
| 04:29.00 | t4nk934 | i removed the samba-libs and still there are problems with unmet dependencies |
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| 04:29.27 | themill | blocky: my impression is that you are still far better off with a foreign arch chroot for these things. |
| 04:29.47 | t4nk934 | yeah? what would you suggest as an alt to deb-multi ? |
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| 04:30.26 | themill | t4nk934: debian. |
| 04:30.35 | t4nk934 | :P |
| 04:31.47 | t4nk934 | oh man maybe that repo is the problem... |
| 04:32.42 | t4nk934 | nah. just drunk hope is all |
| 04:32.47 | shentino | What's the smallest linux distro based on dpkg? |
| 04:32.49 | blocky | i would even be satisfied with an assembler for now, though gcc would be nice eventually |
| 04:33.35 | morganwaters | j |
| 04:33.42 | t4nk934 | god damn it says i have "E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages." but the output says otherwise |
| 04:33.43 | t4nk934 | >< |
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| 04:34.05 | themill | t4nk934: you need to pastebin info if you want people to help you with it |
| 04:34.29 | t4nk934 | sorry |
| 04:35.17 | themill | t4nk934: you could also try aptitude instead of apt-get -- it can sometimes figure out ways to solve problems when apt-get just gives up |
| 04:35.29 | blocky | themill: are there instructions for that for jessie anywhere? |
| 04:36.08 | t4nk934 | themill: i read about that on the ubuntu forums. maybe that should be my next plan of action |
| 04:36.16 | t4nk934 | here's what i'm looking at: http://paste.debian.net/177979/ |
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| 04:37.08 | t4nk934 | aptitude spews this out at me: http://paste.debian.net/177980/ |
| 04:37.12 | t4nk934 | yay or nay? |
| 04:37.14 | themill | blocky: the last section of https://wiki.debian.org/QemuUserEmulation was what I did last time I wanted to be able to monkey with foreign arch chroots |
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| 04:37.40 | themill | t4nk934: say n and see if it's better on the second option |
| 04:37.53 | themill | (aptitude's second option is often better than its first...) |
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| 04:38.27 | themill | t4nk934: based on your earlier output, I'd say you also need to remove/downgrade samba-libs |
| 04:38.32 | t4nk934 | http://paste.debian.net/177981/ |
| 04:38.40 | blocky | themill: what is the downside of just installing to /usr/local/mips-elf |
| 04:39.26 | themill | t4nk934: ugh... you might be about to disappear down the rabbit hole here |
| 04:39.32 | t4nk934 | ahaha |
| 04:39.37 | t4nk934 | that's what i dont want to hear |
| 04:39.42 | themill | !not available |
| 04:39.43 | dpkg | To get a list of packages you have installed now, that are not available from any repository in your sources.list: aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))' |
| 04:39.53 | t4nk934 | this HDD cant handle another LUKS |
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| 04:40.54 | themill | blocky: I only touch this stuff very occasionally and sometimes watch from the sidelines. I'm not really sure what the current state of cross-toolchain support is other than "complicated" and "probably still incomplete" |
| 04:41.06 | shay_shay | shentino: grml? |
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| 04:41.17 | t4nk934 | brb, mr miller, please use your foldy brain to solve my woes. I'm about to piss out this 40oz and take the dog out |
| 04:41.18 | t4nk934 | brb |
| 04:41.37 | shentino | I'll check it out |
| 04:42.03 | blocky | themill: i actually just saw a page on debian.org that said broken as of may 2015 :/ |
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| 04:44.18 | solrize | i benchmarked laptop, it's about 2x faster than a raspberry pi :/ |
| 04:45.52 | blocky | lol |
| 04:46.02 | blocky | don't worry, my desktop is a celeron |
| 04:46.52 | shentino | GRRRRR |
| 04:46.58 | shentino | dist-upgrade from 7 to 8 installed systemd |
| 04:47.13 | solrize | yeah that's what this laptop is, 630 mhz celeron-m with 640x480 vga screen |
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| 04:54.01 | t4nk934 | bahhhhh |
| 04:54.45 | t4nk934 | i dont understand. i think deb-multi borked my box |
| 04:54.53 | shentino | question: Is there an easy way to get a list of all packages without dependencies? I'm looking to sift out the peaks of the pyramids |
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| 04:57.26 | valdyn | shentino: that list is probably "" |
| 04:57.37 | shentino | ...derp |
| 04:57.43 | shentino | I mean a list of all packages that nothing else depends on |
| 04:57.57 | valdyn | shentino: just given |
| 04:58.14 | themill | t4nk934: I don't think it's dmm's fault here. It's your collection of packages from stretch/sid. |
| 04:58.18 | valdyn | shentino: oops, nevermind |
| 04:58.28 | t4nk934 | themill, you unborked my box |
| 04:58.32 | t4nk934 | thanks bro |
| 04:58.35 | t4nk934 | for real |
| 04:58.40 | shentino | a list of all *installed* packages, that nothing else depends on |
| 04:58.44 | t4nk934 | i'm drunk and in love with youy |
| 04:58.50 | themill | heh |
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| 04:58.58 | themill | !coffee t4nk934 |
| 04:58.58 | dpkg | decants a fine brew of organic International Roast Caterers Blend for t4nk934, courtesy of themill |
| 04:59.59 | valdyn | shentino: see the package deborphan |
| 05:00.11 | t4nk934 | i wish i could whip you up a smash-proof 40oz through the tubes |
| 05:00.18 | shentino | ooooh |
| 05:01.43 | t4nk934 | themill, you got a btc addr i can send 2.19 at for a 40oz? |
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| 05:02.58 | themill | t4nk934: nah -- https://www.debian.org/donations |
| 05:03.04 | t4nk934 | mah nigga |
| 05:03.27 | shentino | ...interesting |
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| 05:03.33 | shentino | dist-upgrade is blocking SIGINT |
| 05:03.41 | shentino | I guess Ctrl-C is unwelcome atm lol |
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| 05:04.46 | t4nk934 | thanks for real though. Have a nice night all yall. I',m passing out. Maybe'll see ya again and try and be helpful next tiem |
| 05:04.48 | t4nk934 | =] |
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| 05:07.45 | shentino | valdyn: It'll be awhile before I can install it,w hat does deborphan actually do? |
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| 05:09.41 | patek4 | I'm trying to launch firefox remotely via SSH but keep getting, Error: no display specified |
| 05:10.03 | patek4 | Im using Centos 7 |
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| 05:11.23 | patek4 | anyone, help? |
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| 05:13.27 | themill | patek4: sounds like you need to ask #centos to help you with setting up X forwarding |
| 05:14.03 | patek4 | thanks |
| 05:14.31 | dabuba | is it just as secure installing from a netinst as full iso |
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| 05:15.15 | themill | dabuba: there's no difference in the security of the different installation images and all downloads are authenticated |
| 05:16.17 | dabuba | just thinking you verify the iso but then it grabs the install from the net |
| 05:16.39 | themill | !secure apt |
| 05:16.39 | dpkg | [apt-secure] Starting with version 0.6, <APT> performs signature checking of the Release file for all archives. See http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt , "man apt-secure" and chapter 7 of the Securing Debian Manual (ask me about <securing debian>) for more information. The archive signing key can be found at https://ftp-master.debian.org/keys.html . See also <key>, <no public key>. |
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| 05:17.56 | dabuba | thanks themill |
| 05:18.00 | themill | dabuba: ^^ it grabs stuff from the mirrors and verifies it just like that (it's using apt to do so and verifying it in the same way as any other apt-get install foo) |
| 05:18.05 | dabuba | does it use secureapt by default |
| 05:18.28 | themill | yes |
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| 05:18.32 | dabuba | cool |
| 05:18.59 | dabuba | is netinst the prefered way to install to usb |
| 05:19.26 | dabuba | been trying with a full iso and it gets stuck at formating usb |
| 05:19.51 | themill | the installer is identical on all images, the only difference is when the packages are downloaded |
| 05:19.55 | cluelessperson | dabuba: On windows I've used yumiboot or unetbootin |
| 05:20.08 | cluelessperson | to load a usb |
| 05:20.23 | cluelessperson | yumi boot allows multiple installs on the same drive. it's nice |
| 05:20.30 | themill | Don't use unetbootin, it's crap that usually doesn't work. |
| 05:20.40 | dabuba | i can boot debian on usb but when i go through the install it gets stuck formating |
| 05:20.48 | dabuba | im using terminal |
| 05:20.52 | dabuba | dd |
| 05:20.54 | dabuba | works fine |
| 05:21.32 | dabuba | ]but i imagine when it formats the usb to do the install the installation files get wiped |
| 05:21.36 | dabuba | or somthing |
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| 05:22.04 | dabuba | themill: agreed unetbootin never works |
| 05:22.12 | themill | wait, you're trying to install onto the same usb stick as you copied the installer to? |
| 05:22.19 | dabuba | yes |
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| 05:22.28 | themill | that's not going to work out |
| 05:22.37 | dabuba | i need 2 usbs? |
| 05:22.48 | dabuba | obvious i know |
| 05:23.05 | dabuba | or dvd to usb |
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| 05:23.26 | themill | yes (or a cd or ...); or you can use debootstrap from within your existing linux to create the new install on the usb stick. debootstrap doesn't install kernel or bootloader etc, but it creates something you can chroot into and then do those bits yourself |
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| 05:24.31 | dabuba | thanks for clearing that up |
| 05:24.43 | dabuba | it worked with netinst |
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| 05:24.57 | dabuba | so thought it might work with full iso |
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| 05:25.36 | dabuba | is it too much to ask for some help validating the iso |
| 05:25.47 | themill | There's probably some way of faking up a partition on the image, resizing things and getting that to work... sounds painful though |
| 05:26.03 | themill | !check iso signature |
| 05:26.03 | dpkg | On a Debian box, you can check the installer images are legitimate using the signature file that comes with them. When downloading the ISO, also get the SHA256SUM and SHA256SUM.sign files in the same directory, then: "apt-get install -t sid debian-keyring; sha256sum debian.iso; grep debian.iso SHA256SUM; gpg --keyring /usr/share/keyrings/debian-role-keys.gpg --verify SHA256SUMS.sign". See also <check iso image>. |
| 05:26.05 | dabuba | defo painful |
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| 05:26.17 | dabuba | i wana get this over with and move on |
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| 05:29.05 | dabuba | woh thats confusing |
| 05:29.32 | dabuba | apt-get install -t sid debian-keyring; sha256sum debian.iso; grep debian.iso SHA256SUM; in one line |
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| 05:30.02 | dabuba | !check iso image |
| 05:30.02 | dpkg | To verify you have a valid and official Debian CD/DVD image, see http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#verify . To test an ISO image was burned correctly, compare the output of «md5sum filename.iso; dd if=/dev/cdrom | head -c `stat --format=%s filename.iso` | md5sum». You should compare this md5sum to the checksum for the ISO image on the mirror. See also <check iso signature>. |
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| 05:30.45 | threexk | hello. Is it possible to download a Debian signing key over a "secure" protocol like HKPS? |
| 05:31.00 | threexk | IIUC HKP is susceptible to MITM |
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| 05:32.25 | threexk | dpkg: Would be better to give HTTPS link for this, IMHO |
| 05:32.25 | dpkg | threexk: wish i knew |
| 05:32.55 | themill | threexk: trust comes from the web of trust not the protocol used to distribute the key. |
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| 05:33.59 | dabuba | !check iso image |
| 05:33.59 | dpkg | To verify you have a valid and official Debian CD/DVD image, see http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#verify . To test an ISO image was burned correctly, compare the output of «md5sum filename.iso; dd if=/dev/cdrom | head -c `stat --format=%s filename.iso` | md5sum». You should compare this md5sum to the checksum for the ISO image on the mirror. See also <check iso signature>. |
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| 05:35.31 | threexk | themill: I think I understand this. But if you have built no web of trust, it seems like HKPS would be a better option than HKP. |
| 05:35.44 | themill | threexk: if you're nowhere in the web of trust yet but you like to trust 3rd party SSL certs, then you can get the signing key from https://ftp-master.debian.org/keys.html |
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| 05:36.15 | threexk | themill: thanks |
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| 05:59.27 | themill | davecex: it's traditional to actually ask a question rather than hope the bot will magically use ESP |
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| 06:44.00 | no_gravity | good morning |
| 06:44.28 | no_gravity | is there a way to see what internet connections a command makes? |
| 06:44.59 | no_gravity | for example when i want to see exactly what "dig xyz.somdomain.com" does can i "pipe" it through a "show me all connections" thingy? |
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| 06:52.09 | pyface | no_gravity: i can only think of doing a netstat -p |
| 06:52.22 | pyface | but ud have to time it right i guess |
| 06:52.34 | no_gravity | yeah |
| 06:52.36 | dutchfish | no_gravity, you dont need to pipe it, either use use thing like etherape or iftop or use netstat -nla |
| 06:53.19 | no_gravity | dutchfish: then i will see all kinds of connections, not only from that command. |
| 06:53.27 | dutchfish | no_gravity, iftop is nice to monitor it in real time without much fuzz |
| 06:53.52 | dutchfish | no_gravity, then tcpdump with aprpriate filter |
| 06:54.02 | dutchfish | apropriate* |
| 06:54.06 | no_gravity | ok |
| 06:54.35 | no_gravity | how would you capture it via tcpdump? |
| 06:54.37 | dutchfish | no_gravity, iftop has limited filter capacities as well btw |
| 06:54.49 | dutchfish | no_gravity, so does wireshark |
| 06:56.05 | dutchfish | no_gravity, totally depends and what you want to filter, i have no clue of your needs |
| 06:56.22 | no_gravity | dutchfish: i would like to see the ip connections a command makes |
| 06:56.57 | dutchfish | no_gravity, you can filter by ip, its in the manpage or http://www.tcpdump.org/ |
| 06:57.11 | no_gravity | well, i dont know any ips |
| 06:57.26 | no_gravity | i just fire a command "xyz" and wonder if it connects to the net. |
| 06:57.33 | dutchfish | no_gravity, delve into it, the learning curve is a bbit steap, but very valuable |
| 06:57.48 | themill | «strace -e connect xyz» might do what you need |
| 06:58.03 | dutchfish | no_gravity, then filter by protocol if that is known and add more if needed |
| 06:58.22 | no_gravity | i dont know the protocol |
| 06:58.27 | no_gravity | i just know the command |
| 06:58.33 | no_gravity | or "programm" |
| 06:58.35 | dutchfish | themill, good idea as well |
| 06:58.48 | no_gravity | so there is no easy way to see what internet connections a program makes. thats interesting. |
| 06:59.07 | no_gravity | one would think it should be as visible as its memory or cpu usage . |
| 06:59.11 | dutchfish | no_gravity, oh there is a miriad of possibilities to do what you want |
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| 07:00.06 | dutchfish | no_gravity, it all depends on how yu want to be the data presneted, graphically or not, is this a headless box, does it have a multitude of connections or just a few etc |
| 07:00.31 | no_gravity | a list of ips the programm connects to would be enough |
| 07:00.43 | dutchfish | no_gravity, for a known program themill handed you just the right way to tackle it |
| 07:01.00 | no_gravity | lets see |
| 07:01.24 | themill | no_gravity: how are you planning to monitor memory or cpu usage for an arbitrary program (for comparison) |
| 07:02.48 | no_gravity | hmm... i tried this: strace -e connect dig wikipedia.com |
| 07:03.00 | no_gravity | it gives me "--- SIGTERM {si_signo=SIGTERM, si_code=SI_TKILL, si_pid=3284, si_uid=0} ---" |
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| 07:03.06 | no_gravity | whats that? |
| 07:05.27 | shay_shay | combine as with awk |
| 07:05.33 | shay_shay | ss |
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| 07:08.12 | dutchfish | no_gravity, strace -e poll,select,connect,recvfrom,sendto nc wikipedia.com (example), you have to really rtfm |
| 07:09.04 | themill | (I'm sure strace is not the best tool for this) |
| 07:09.17 | no_gravity | dutchfish: seems not to work: strace -e poll,select,connect,recvfrom,sendto dig wikipedia.com |
| 07:09.25 | no_gravity | gives me the sigterm message again. |
| 07:09.39 | no_gravity | so it looks like there is no easy way to see where a programm connects to. |
| 07:09.42 | dutchfish | no_gravity, iftop is much easier to find out what is happening, the tcpdump is your ticket when you know what is going on |
| 07:10.42 | dutchfish | no_gravity, why you want dig to strace the connections? the dns server it queries is already given in its result |
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| 07:11.32 | dutchfish | no_gravity, or do something as dig @[your dns server] -t A wikipedia.com |
| 07:11.56 | no_gravity | thats just an example. i want to know if a programm connects to the net and if so where. |
| 07:12.06 | dutchfish | no_gravity, there are a miriad of ways to solve your needs |
| 07:12.15 | no_gravity | just used dig as a test. if dig can circumvent it, other programms can do so too. |
| 07:12.22 | dutchfish | no_gravity, we nee dmore input what you want to do exactly |
| 07:12.50 | dutchfish | no_gravity, thats exactly why i suggested iftop and tcpdump |
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| 07:13.33 | no_gravity | dutchfish: say joe gives you a binary. you run the binary and wonder "does it connect to the net?". |
| 07:13.57 | dutchfish | no_gravity, no, we refuse binaries from Joe in here |
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| 07:15.46 | dutchfish | no_gravity, if i wanted to examine some malware, to studie, that would be a different story |
| 07:16.36 | dutchfish | no_gravity, in general we fly by the source code |
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| 07:22.24 | dutchfish | no_gravity, i hope i havent stepped on a toe or 2, just wanted to help, one more tip: really delve into the OSI layer and how the ipstack works, the nchoose your tools accordingly to figure out what Joe's binary is doing. |
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| 07:23.21 | no_gravity | well, i just asked if there is an easy way to see if a programm connects to the net. and obviously the answer is no. |
| 07:24.08 | no_gravity | there might be complicated ways to achieve it, but thats out of my scope. |
| 07:24.22 | dutchfish | no_gravity, why not try what i suggested? |
| 07:24.38 | no_gravity | out of my scope, as i said |
| 07:24.48 | dutchfish | ok, fair enough |
| 07:25.04 | no_gravity | i was wondering if there is an easy way like "showconnects someprogramm" |
| 07:25.26 | no_gravity | like there is "time" to measure execution time |
| 07:26.42 | dutchfish | no_gravity, you are overlooking the fact that the program itself probably cant be queried about this, so we need the help of the kernel it talks too and is running in. For that there are may tools. |
| 07:27.03 | dutchfish | s/may/many |
| 07:27.15 | no_gravity | i understand that. |
| 07:27.56 | no_gravity | a programm probably also can escape "time" by spawning background tasks or whatnot. |
| 07:28.13 | dutchfish | no_gravity, that can be traced as well |
| 07:28.28 | no_gravity | yeah, but not in a simple way i guess. |
| 07:28.55 | dutchfish | relatively simple, but you need to delve a bit in how the kernel works |
| 07:29.07 | no_gravity | haha :) |
| 07:29.25 | no_gravity | that sounds like "its easy to go to the moon. just spend a few trillions and some decades" |
| 07:29.29 | dutchfish | no_gravity, and its all decoumented very well |
| 07:29.47 | dutchfish | no_gravity, nah |
| 07:29.53 | DrPeppy | no_gravity: user programs request connection services from the network protocol, which is the one that makes connections to other nodes in the internet. "netstat" utility can show you what connections your IP protocol is making. |
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| 07:30.43 | dutchfish | yup, netstat -nla is the first thing i mentioneed |
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| 07:31.39 | rom1v | hi |
| 07:31.43 | rom1v | how to get infos about a virtual package? |
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| 07:32.13 | rom1v | apt-cache show gstreamer1.0-audiosink |
| 07:32.15 | rom1v | N: Can't select versions from package 'gstreamer1.0-audiosink' as it is purely virtual |
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| 07:33.12 | DrPeppy | no_gravity: can your computer ping Google.com? |
| 07:33.51 | rom1v | apt-cache showpkg ⦠solves the pb :) |
| 07:33.51 | themill | rom1v: apt-cache showpkg ... |
| 07:34.45 | rom1v | it has 4 "reverse provides", what if a package depends on this virtual package? |
| 07:34.58 | rom1v | one of these reverse provides must be installed, or all? |
| 07:35.21 | DrPeppy | Could someone show me the gpg command to get the public signature keys from Debian.org? |
| 07:35.31 | Fjorgynn | :) |
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| 07:36.03 | rom1v | gpg --no-default-keyring --keyring /usr/share/keyrings/debian-role-keys.gpg -v *.sign # DrPeppy |
| 07:36.03 | themill | rom1v: if one of those providers is already installed then all is well; if there is none installed and the package does not declare a preference then you'll get an implementation-dependent selection installed. (packages should always depend on realpackage | virtualpackage) |
| 07:36.15 | rom1v | after having installed debian-keyring |
| 07:36.54 | DrPeppy | rom1v: how do i do that? |
| 07:37.12 | DrPeppy | install debian-keyring, that is |
| 07:37.28 | themill | DrPeppy: what are you actually trying to achieve? |
| 07:37.44 | rom1v | themill, quodlibet depends on: gstreamer1.0-pulseaudio | gstreamer1.0-audiosink |
| 07:38.02 | rom1v | gstreamer1.0-audiosink reverse provied: |
| 07:38.03 | themill | rom1v: indeed. real | virtual. |
| 07:38.04 | rom1v | provides: |
| 07:38.06 | rom1v | Reverse Provides: |
| 07:38.07 | rom1v | gstreamer1.0-pulseaudio 1.4.4-2 |
| 07:38.07 | rom1v | gstreamer1.0-plugins-good 1.4.4-2 |
| 07:38.07 | rom1v | gstreamer1.0-alsa 1.4.4-2 |
| 07:38.07 | rom1v | gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad 1.4.4-2.1+b1 |
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| 07:38.30 | rom1v | arf |
| 07:38.38 | rom1v | did you get the paste? |
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| 07:38.48 | themill | What are you actually asking? |
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| 07:39.13 | rom1v | if I install quodlibet, it does not install gstreamer1.0-pulseaudio |
| 07:39.15 | rom1v | so quodlibet does not work |
| 07:39.22 | rom1v | (on a fresh Debian Jessie + XFCE) |
| 07:39.35 | themill | rom1v: is one of the other providers already installed? |
| 07:39.39 | rom1v | (quodlibet is already installed out-of-the-box, but does not work) |
| 07:39.42 | DrPeppy | themill: "To ensure that the checksums files themselves are correct, use GnuPG to verify them against the accompanying signature files (e.g. MD5SSUMS.sign). The keys used for these signatures are all in the Debian GPG keyring and the best way to check them is to use that keyring to validate via the web of trust. To make life easier for users, here are the fingerprints for the keys that have been used for releases in recent years (with some UIDs removed for cl |
| 07:39.53 | rom1v | themill, gstreamer1.0-plugins-good |
| 07:40.03 | rom1v | is installed |
| 07:40.19 | rom1v | but it would not make it work |
| 07:40.52 | themill | DrPeppy: and on OS are you going to perform this verification? |
| 07:40.52 | Fjorgynn | Hey I've seen some times people saying you should ad a dash after a command Like "sudo su -" |
| 07:40.55 | Fjorgynn | what does - mean? |
| 07:41.05 | DrPeppy | themill: Linux here |
| 07:41.13 | themill | DrPeppy: can you narrow that down |
| 07:41.26 | DrPeppy | Gnu/Linux |
| 07:41.26 | themill | Fjorgynn: it means "I don't know that I should use sudo -i" (man su will tell you about -) |
| 07:41.31 | themill | ... |
| 07:41.33 | rom1v | DrPeppy, a debian? |
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| 07:41.59 | Fjorgynn | themill: I know that you should use -i |
| 07:42.02 | DrPeppy | Linux, with gpg in the $PATH |
| 07:42.12 | themill | DrPeppy: please be more specific.. |
| 07:42.14 | Fjorgynn | but I wonder if the - (dash) has any effect like | is pipe |
| 07:42.30 | themill | Fjorgynn: the - is an argument for su |
| 07:43.32 | Fjorgynn | I see |
| 07:43.49 | Fjorgynn | -, -l, --login Provide an environment similar to what the user would expect had the user logged in directly. |
| 07:43.52 | Fjorgynn | aha |
| 07:43.56 | themill | rom1v: does just installing gstreamer1.0-pulseaudio make it work for you? |
| 07:44.02 | rom1v | yes |
| 07:44.17 | rom1v | and uninstalling make it not work |
| 07:45.21 | DrPeppy | gpg (GnuPG) 2.0.4-svn0; Linux 2.6.20.17-0.2 |
| 07:45.50 | themill | DrPeppy: what distro is this... please stop being difficult |
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| 07:46.49 | DrPeppy | Fedora distro |
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| 07:47.25 | themill | right, so you can't get the -keyring packages easily |
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| 07:48.18 | DrPeppy | i don't see the relevancy of asking for a distro name when the question is "what's the gpg incantation to get the debian.org public keys?" |
| 07:48.30 | themill | debian.org public keys is meaningless... |
| 07:48.59 | themill | and if you were running a debian derivative, you could just apt-get install the relevant package and that would be a very easy way of getting them |
| 07:49.35 | themill | rom1v: the other dependencies in quodlibet mean that -plugins-good is installed and so there's no need for the -pulse package. Sounds like a bug worth reporting (although I don't know enough about gstreamer to know what bits it actually requires) |
| 07:49.51 | rom1v | themill, ok, I'm reporting it |
| 07:50.08 | themill | thanks |
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| 07:50.57 | rom1v | when using reportbug, isn't it possible to finally make it open icedove to send the report? |
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| 07:52.29 | DrPeppy | themill: i already have the .iso on my hard disk, and the SHAsum file, and the SHA*.sign file. All I need to do is do the confirmations of those files. So, what does the vagueness of this paragraph help to do the confirmations?: "The keys used for these signatures are all in the Debian GPG keyring and the best way to check them is to use that keyring to validate via the web of trust." |
| 07:52.38 | DrPeppy | ---debian.org/CD/verify |
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| 07:53.39 | themill | DrPeppy: I'm not sure which step you're stuck on. You seem to know how to use gpg and you know which key you need to get. |
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| 07:54.35 | DrPeppy | no, i don't know how to use gpg; i know what generally it is used for, but i'm not familiar with it. |
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| 07:55.48 | themill | so "gpg --verify SHA512SUMS.sign SHA512SUMS" will tell you which key has signed the file (and you'll find it listed on that page too); gpg --recv-keys will fetch that key (as described on the keyring page linked to from there) |
| 07:56.16 | DrPeppy | with its 76 different options and 37 permutations of combinations to get the public keys to verify the signatures |
| 07:56.55 | rom1v | DrPeppy, gpg --keyserver keyring.debian.org --recv-keys KEYID |
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| 07:57.06 | themill | you don't need to specify --keyserver |
| 07:57.17 | DrPeppy | what argument do i give to --recv-keys option? |
| 07:57.29 | themill | DrPeppy: [17:55] <themill> so "gpg --verify SHA512SUMS.sign SHA512SUMS" will tell you which key has signed the file (and you'll find it listed on that page too); gpg --recv-keys will fetch that key (as described on the keyring page linked to from there) |
| 07:57.48 | rom1v | DrPeppy: when you gpg --verify, it gives you the id of the key used, and will say that it does not trust it |
| 07:57.55 | rom1v | also https://www.debian.org/CD/verify |
| 07:58.20 | DrPeppy | rom1v: i've been quoting from that URL |
| 07:59.07 | DrPeppy | rom1v: what do i use for KEYID |
| 07:59.08 | DrPeppy | ? |
| 07:59.25 | themill | DrPeppy: please read what I wrote. |
| 07:59.45 | themill | If you don't understand, ask for clarification rather than ignoring it. |
| 07:59.46 | DrPeppy | 'k |
| 07:59.47 | rom1v | gpg -v SHA256SUMS.sign # what does it say? |
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| 08:00.05 | rom1v | (assuming you have SHA256SUMS.sign in your local folder) |
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| 08:00.27 | rom1v | themill: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=785432 |
| 08:00.35 | DrPeppy | yes, i downloaded all SHA*SUMS just in case |
| 08:00.56 | themill | rom1v: thanks :) |
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| 08:02.40 | DrPeppy | gpg -v SHA256SUMS.sign #: "gpg: Can't check signature: No public key" |
| 08:03.08 | anddam | the installer is not finding the non-free firmware I put on a separate usb stick |
| 08:03.15 | themill | DrPeppy: does it not have two lines of output? |
| 08:03.45 | anddam | it keeps saying iwlwifi 0000:02:00.0: firmware: failed to load iwlwifi-7260-8.ucode (-2) |
| 08:03.50 | anddam | also with -9.ucode |
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| 08:04.19 | anddam | the weird part is that I was able to load the driver (I used the very same files) yesterday with the same netinstall stick on the same computer |
| 08:05.02 | anddam | the stick has a single GTP partition using FAT32 with a folder /firmware and the two firmware- deb packages inside that folder |
| 08:05.09 | rom1v | DrPeppy, where did you download this .sign (full url?) |
| 08:05.44 | anddam | when I connect the stick with firmware files I see the sdc device in dmesg but I don't see it being mounted |
| 08:05.59 | anddam | I think the installer is not looking at it |
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| 08:06.46 | DrPeppy | rom1v: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/i386/iso-hybrid/SHA256SUMS.sign |
| 08:07.41 | anddam | I'm following https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/i386/ch06s04.html.en#idp7460112 |
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| 08:08.09 | DrPeppy | gpg --verify SHA512SUMS.sign SHA512SUMS.txt |
| 08:08.10 | DrPeppy | gpg: Signature made Sat 25 Apr 2015 05:03:06 PM PDT using RSA key ID 6294BE9B |
| 08:08.10 | DrPeppy | gpg: Can't check signature: No public key |
| 08:08.35 | rom1v | using RSA key ID 6294BE9B â this is what you want |
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| 08:09.31 | DrPeppy | RSA key? Isn't that the one sold by a traitor for $10 million dollars? |
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| 08:10.04 | rom1v | themill: "you don't need to specify --keyserver" â gpg --recv-keys 6294BE9B says gpg: no keyserver known (use option --keyserver) |
| 08:10.38 | themill | rom1v: bah... it should have a sensible default :( |
| 08:10.51 | rom1v | gpg --keyserver keyring.debian.org --recv-keys 6294BE9B |
| 08:11.12 | rom1v | (this was the same on wheezy) |
| 08:11.30 | rom1v | IMO this is unnecessary complicated to verify the gpg keys |
| 08:11.49 | themill | it's about as basic as gpg gets unfortunately |
| 08:11.52 | rom1v | Once debian-keyring is installed, why do we need to call: gpg --no-default-keyring --keyring /usr/share/keyrings/debian-role-keys.gpg -v *.sign ? |
| 08:11.55 | anddam | any hint? |
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| 08:12.10 | rom1v | gpgv just does not work at all |
| 08:12.22 | anddam | I'd really appreciate a help here, I need this debian system to recover my other system |
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| 08:12.53 | themill | rom1v: installing the keyring package doesn't force the newly installed keyring into your known keys -- adding an extra 1k keys to your keyring wouldn't be friendly |
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| 08:14.15 | rom1v | ok, then a 1-line bash script would be nice, to call gpg-debian file.sign |
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| 08:14.40 | rom1v | and I never understood why gpgv does not work to verify a signature, where gpg -v works |
| 08:14.46 | themill | gpgv works here |
| 08:14.57 | themill | sure. I've thought about writing that (and will probably do so some time) but it'll be longer than 1 line and then you've got to decide if you trust the shell script |
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| 08:15.21 | DrPeppy | rom1v: want to see my result? should i paste it here? |
| 08:15.42 | DrPeppy | 6 lines |
| 08:15.54 | themill | dpkg: tell DrPeppy about paste |
| 08:16.14 | superfast | YouTube videos are fuzzy and distorted |
| 08:16.27 | superfast | what is the reason? |
| 08:16.28 | superfast | Usually when I replay them |
| 08:16.38 | rom1v | http://tmp.rom1v.com/gpgv.txt |
| 08:17.25 | rom1v | themill: is something wrong with my command gpgv SHA256SUMS.sign |
| 08:17.52 | DrPeppy | dpkg: paste |
| 08:17.52 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 08:17.59 | themill | «gpgv --keyring /usr/share/keyrings/debian-role-keys.gpg SHA512SUMS.sign SHA512SUMS» works here |
| 08:18.40 | shentino | dpkg: you rock |
| 08:18.40 | dpkg | aw, gee, shentino |
| 08:18.49 | shentino | heh, it responded |
| 08:18.58 | rom1v | ah yes, I thought it was simpler than that |
| 08:19.11 | rom1v | gpg -v SHA256SUMS.sign # works |
| 08:19.13 | themill | rom1v: it's gpg... it's never simpler than that :( |
| 08:19.22 | rom1v | yes, gpg -v is :) |
| 08:19.39 | dutchfish | anddam, i dont know if that helps but there is a more recent iwl firmware (depend son you hw if that is of any use) https://packages.qa.debian.org/f/firmware-nonfree.html |
| 08:19.58 | themill | well not really... leaving off the plaintext version and having it discovered by magic isn't really a win |
| 08:19.58 | rom1v | (ok, it does not know the key, but it does not say can't hash datafile: erreur d'ouverture de fichier |
| 08:20.44 | themill | gpgv is designed to be simpler to use programmatically and to have fewer moving parts and do less magic |
| 08:20.59 | anddam | I don't get why the hell yesterday it loaded the driver straight away |
| 08:21.00 | DrPeppy | rom1v: http://paste.debian.net/178080 |
| 08:21.11 | anddam | this is hte same install image, same stick with drivers, same computer! |
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| 08:21.32 | DrPeppy | anddam: check systemd errors |
| 08:21.33 | rom1v | DrPeppy: then gpg -v SHA256SUMS.sign |
| 08:21.34 | themill | anddam: differently formatted stick? or differently prepared installer image? |
| 08:22.46 | dutchfish | anddam, the only thing i can think of is when the installer pulls in updates, but then it is already past preboot .... any errors? |
| 08:23.09 | DrPeppy | gpg: WARNING: This key is not certified with a trusted signature! |
| 08:23.10 | DrPeppy | gpg: There is no indication that the signature belongs to the owner. |
| 08:23.39 | DrPeppy | the RSA key, eh? |
| 08:23.55 | dutchfish | anddam, or the install image got damaged somehow (unlikely) |
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| 08:27.05 | anddam | DrPeppy: systemd errors on netinstall disc? |
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| 08:27.19 | anddam | themill: no actually they were the _same_ stick |
| 08:27.38 | anddam | now I re-formatted the firmware stick trying mbr single fat partition |
| 08:27.45 | anddam | with deb files both in root and /firmware |
| 08:29.34 | themill | DrPeppy: you're nowhere in the web of trust so gpg can't know whether that signature is by the right person. That's why I was trying to get you the debian-keyring package earlier. You need to trust that the signature (which you have observed to be a correct signature) is by the right key (compare with the CD/verify page) |
| 08:29.35 | rom1v | DrPeppy, you have a chicken&egg problem, you have to trust something :) |
| 08:29.58 | anddam | dutchfish: not that I can see |
| 08:30.15 | anddam | should I see lines about the memory device being mounted somewhere? |
| 08:30.25 | anddam | I mean the installer has to mount it in order to look for files, right? |
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| 08:30.59 | hiexpo | Hola |
| 08:31.01 | rom1v | themill: for debian-keyring, you have to get a trusted debian installed somewhere :) |
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| 08:31.47 | dutchfish | anddam, also, when preparing sticks, i use (as root) `sync && sync` to make double sure, everything is written out to te disks/sticks before i umount it and remove it. I have expirienced simualr in the past with sticks, which can be prevented with that. |
| 08:31.56 | hiexpo | hmmmmm |
| 08:32.07 | DrPeppy | rom1v: i'm just a user; does that mean I cannot get the debian-keyring package? |
| 08:32.36 | rom1v | if you already use debian, they apt install debian-keyring |
| 08:32.45 | themill | rom1v: or a trusted derivative |
| 08:32.45 | rom1v | s/they/then/ |
| 08:33.11 | themill | DrPeppy: you already have all the info you need now, no need to do more |
| 08:34.04 | DrPeppy | themill: you mean I can trust this .iso now? |
| 08:34.34 | themill | DrPeppy: what makes you think you cannot? |
| 08:34.37 | rom1v | if it says Good signature from "Debian CD signing key <debian-cd@lists.debian.org>" |
| 08:34.56 | rom1v | and that the fingerprint is the one on https://www.debian.org/CD/verify |
| 08:35.01 | rom1v | I think this is quite good |
| 08:35.22 | DrPeppy | other than the fact systemd is made by RedHat, who in turn is an employee of NSA ... ;> |
| 08:35.32 | rom1v | DF9B 9C49 EAA9 2984 3258 9D76 DA87 E80D 6294 BE9B |
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| 08:35.47 | shentino | ...redhat is an employee of the NSA? |
| 08:36.27 | dutchfish | points his finger to the topic of this channel |
| 08:36.53 | rom1v | (you can trust the SHA*SUMS, you still have to check the iso has the right hash ^^) |
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| 08:37.20 | DrPeppy | rom1v: that's just running the sha256 command on the .iso, no? |
| 08:38.43 | DrPeppy | damn ... how do i compare the 2 checksums ... other than eyeballing them? it's a lonnng string. |
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| 08:41.01 | dutchfish | DrPeppy, md5sum -c <<<"ef7ab26f9a3b2cbd35aa3e7e69aad86c *path/to/file/test_binary" |
| 08:41.24 | rom1v | for instance, if your iso is debian-8.0.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso |
| 08:41.28 | rom1v | sha256sum -c <(grep xfce SHA256SUMS) |
| 08:41.52 | DrPeppy | rom1v: thank you |
| 08:41.59 | rom1v | or |
| 08:42.03 | rom1v | easier: grep xfce SHA256SUMS | sha256sum -c |
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| 08:46.10 | dutchfish | or sha256sum -c sha256sum_formated_file.txt |
| 08:46.24 | DrPeppy | dutchfish: thanks |
| 08:46.39 | DrPeppy | themill: thanks for clues |
| 08:48.03 | DrPeppy | incidentally, a script should be made available to automate all this files and signatures verifications and confirmations ... it's all too complicated. |
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| 08:50.36 | maarhart | help please, my script in /etc/pm/sleep.d/ does not load on wakeup. the script is myscript.sh and looks like this: http://paste.debian.net/178105 , -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 348 2015-05-16 11:34 myscript.sh |
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| 08:58.44 | bashermasher | Hi all! How can i print formatted output of a command ? http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=v8PmtSv7 |
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| 09:01.38 | anddam | bashermasher: not from the command, unless it has support for it |
| 09:01.46 | anddam | what you can do is reformat what you get |
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| 09:02.17 | bashermasher | =\ |
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| 09:08.57 | bashermasher | anddam: echo "$var" does that |
| 09:09.07 | bashermasher | anddam: for instanct, echo "$LSOUTPUT" |
| 09:09.11 | bashermasher | instance* |
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| 09:09.58 | anddam | I don't get what you mean by "does that", you'll have to be clear |
| 09:10.24 | anddam | also I don't use bash very often |
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| 09:15.46 | anddam | dutchfish: just checked the usb stick, the files on the stick match the files from the tarball mentioned in jessie release notes |
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| 09:16.00 | anddam | i.e. the file were completely and correctly copied onto the memory stick |
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| 09:16.13 | anddam | I think installer isn't browsing the stick at all |
| 09:16.27 | anddam | but I'm unfamiliar with correct output so I don't know if my dmesg console is missing something |
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| 09:16.36 | anddam | also I cannot easily copy that |
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| 09:22.24 | superfast | anyone else facing distorted and fuzzy youtube? |
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| 09:24.43 | at0m | or, Directory, which specifies the www directory. |
| 09:25.00 | amflir | at0m, it says /var/www |
| 09:25.18 | amflir | but when I put files and folders in there it gets 404 error |
| 09:25.38 | amflir | only the root http://ip/ list the directories (empty) |
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| 10:04.31 | nyuszika7h | so uh. after the upgrade to jessie, /etc/nginx vanished. |
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| 10:20.09 | sgo11 | hi, I am running raspberry pi (debian arm). not sure if I can ask question here. I setup a static ip to my wlan0 initially. (initially means wlan0 never uses dhcp setup). this is my config: http://hastebin.com/unegiwohex.sm The problem is I can see my router (openwrt)'s dhcp server always assigns another ip address to my wlan0. thus, my wlan0 has two IPs in the end. I don't know why this happens. any ideas and how to fix it? thanks. |
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| 10:24.14 | SynrG | sgo11: provided you use debian and not raspbian, you can ask here, yes. |
| 10:24.18 | diegoviola | is there a way to get newer software on a debian stable system? |
| 10:24.24 | diegoviola | like linux 4.0 for newer hardware |
| 10:24.33 | SynrG | yes and no. |
| 10:24.47 | diegoviola | hrm |
| 10:24.49 | SynrG | generally yes, there are debian-backports. but no, linux 4.0 is not yet available for it |
| 10:24.54 | SynrG | ,kernels |
| 10:24.54 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.19.0-trunk-686-pae (3.19.3-1~exp1); sid: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt9-2); stretch: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt9-2); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt9-2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt7-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.65-1+deb7u2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.65-1+deb7u2~bpo60+1); |
| 10:24.55 | judd | squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze6) |
| 10:24.58 | diegoviola | ok ty |
| 10:25.21 | SynrG | diegoviola: jessie-backports does not yet have a new kernel because it is not yet in stretch (testing) |
| 10:25.34 | diegoviola | thanks |
| 10:25.40 | SynrG | once it hits stretch, it will become a candidate for backporting. but of course, then you need to wait for the debian kernel team to do the actual work |
| 10:25.47 | SynrG | !backports |
| 10:25.48 | dpkg | A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 10:25.52 | diegoviola | thanks |
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| 10:26.56 | sgo11 | SynrG, ok. I am using raspbian. |
| 10:27.09 | SynrG | !raspbian |
| 10:27.09 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
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| 10:28.23 | sgo11 | SynrG, ok. thanks. |
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| 10:37.49 | tombee | Does anyone know of any good purchasing guides for laptops that would have decent support for running Debian without too much fiddling around? :) |
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| 10:40.08 | no_gravity | Is there a nice writing app in the debian repos? Something that looks beautiful and distraction free? |
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| 10:42.54 | SynrG | tombee: i don't know about 'good', but there's http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOn, an attempt at a community maintained guide to installing Debian on anything |
| 10:43.36 | SynrG | tombee: i would supplement that with searching the web for, e.g., blog articles chronicling people's experiences with a specific release of Debian on the specific candidate hardware you're considering. |
| 10:43.50 | tombee | SynrG: Thanks :) |
| 10:43.57 | teraflop | tombee: look whatever laptop that runs well on a 3.16 kernel I suppose |
| 10:44.11 | SynrG | tombee: of course, it's early yet for much to have been written in either place about jessie on anything |
| 10:44.24 | tombee | SynrG: Yeah, I'd seen that wiki page, but it's pretty tedious to navigate :P |
| 10:44.29 | SynrG | it is indeed |
| 10:44.56 | tombee | I have a recent macbook pro, but when I've put Debian on that previously there's a whole host of issues with power management, wifi, webcam not working etc. |
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| 10:46.50 | tombee | The Lenovo Yoga range look fairly popular |
| 10:46.58 | SynrG | tombee: MBP is perenially difficult due to freedom-limiting hardware choices by Apple :( |
| 10:47.17 | SynrG | their insistence on using Broadcom is one reason I've never even been slightly tempted by MBP |
| 10:47.23 | SynrG | price is another ... ;) |
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| 10:47.53 | tombee | SynrG: Yeah I understand, I love my macbook and OSX, but can see why people don't! |
| 10:48.26 | SynrG | tombee: generally, seek out hardware with best free driver support. |
| 10:48.32 | teraflop | SynrG: isn't that more related to the kernel that with the distro? |
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| 10:48.58 | SynrG | teraflop: yes, but specific distros have specific kernels. |
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| 10:49.17 | SynrG | teraflop: and also distros vary in terms of which kernel patches they backport |
| 10:49.46 | SynrG | tombee: but teraflop makes a good point. if you can't find experiences with jessie on specific hardware, a similar kernel is useful |
| 10:50.06 | SynrG | at least roughly the same vintage would be a good indicator |
| 10:50.41 | teraflop | SynrG: true, but apart the non free firmware I think is a good starting point, if there is no debian specific review |
| 10:51.23 | SynrG | yep |
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| 10:51.39 | Rephlexie | macbook wiki entries need to be cleaned up a bit |
| 10:52.03 | SynrG | sadly, although i have a keen interest in improving our doc, i have no macbook hardware |
| 10:52.06 | teraflop | tombee: but for sure recent mbp I think they are not a good choice |
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| 10:52.16 | SynrG | all my experience with it is assisting friends |
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| 10:52.32 | tombee | teraflop: That's my experience too :) |
| 10:52.33 | SynrG | and the last of that was with Ubuntu, not Debian :/ |
| 10:52.37 | teraflop | tombee: starting with the evil bcm wireless chip |
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| 10:52.40 | SynrG | (her choice, not mine) |
| 10:53.14 | tombee | Anyhow, not here to start Apple wars -- just stating my situation and figure out what I need to get a dedicated Debian environment for fun tiems! |
| 10:53.38 | teraflop | i call it evil because it's a nightmare making it to work in linux |
| 10:53.52 | Rephlexie | The wiki is spot on up until X and Broadcom yeah. |
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| 10:55.49 | teraflop | and if you pick retina ones youll have to deal with patching fonts or something similar |
| 10:56.17 | teraflop | but that's not apple only related |
| 10:57.31 | tombee | Yeah I have a Retina model.. but saying that, I'm looking at laptops like the Dell XPS 13 and Lenovo Thinkpad X1 Carbon too.. which also have super high res display which might cause font scaling issues? |
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| 10:58.33 | teraflop | that dell is the one that has a _devel_ model (shipped with ubuntu?) |
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| 10:59.47 | tombee | teraflop: Yeah |
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| 11:01.54 | teraflop | tombee: well I think that is a beautiful laptop and since it runs ubuntu I suppose its a good sign if you want debian jessie on it |
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| 11:03.30 | teraflop | tombee: yeah all that hi-res displays need a little of tweaking for sure |
| 11:03.49 | teraflop | because of the fonts |
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| 11:05.01 | tombee | broadcom wireless still though on the dell, hehe |
| 11:05.23 | teraflop | tombee: the same model as the latest mpb? |
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| 11:07.43 | tombee | not the exact same I don't think, but similar |
| 11:07.52 | tombee | 4360 on the MBP vs a 4352 on the Dell |
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| 11:11.51 | teraflop | AFAIK 4352 is a better choice for running debian if you just do a little research on google |
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| 11:12.55 | teraflop | a better, not the best |
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| 11:26.15 | dabuba | hi, i need a little help validating an iso |
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| 11:28.55 | Brigo | !dabula about check iso image |
| 11:29.03 | Brigo | !tell dabula about check iso image |
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| 11:31.21 | dabuba | !Brigo thanks |
| 11:31.33 | Brigo | dabuba, yw :) |
| 11:31.42 | dabuba | i checked the sha512sum |
| 11:32.10 | dabuba | checked the output hash against this http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.0.0/amd64/bt-cd/SHA512SUMS |
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| 11:32.40 | damianll | hildon repostory for weezy? |
| 11:33.26 | dabuba | yw? |
| 11:33.48 | dabuba | got it |
| 11:34.10 | dabuba | sorry |
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| 11:34.24 | dabuba | cheked the hash.. seeems to match |
| 11:34.54 | dabuba | now how do i impoort the sha512sums.sign |
| 11:35.20 | dabuba | and check the iso against the public key |
| 11:35.25 | dabuba | if thats what i do |
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| 11:44.33 | dabuba | !brigo yo |
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| 11:44.42 | dabuba | !Brigo yo |
| 11:44.50 | Brigo | dabuba, ? |
| 11:44.50 | dabuba | yo brigo |
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| 11:45.08 | dabuba | sorry |
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| 11:45.19 | dabuba | can ya help me out |
| 11:45.52 | Brigo | dabuba, yes: |
| 11:46.07 | dabuba | thanks |
| 11:46.08 | Brigo | !tell dabuba about check iso signature |
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| 11:51.01 | srg | I'm running KeePass2. I noticed that when it is going over the crypto iteration (saving or opening a db), it is only using one of my 4 CPU cores. |
| 11:51.15 | srg | Is there a way to fix that on debian's end? Or is that within keepass itself and out of my control? |
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| 11:52.49 | Brigo | srg, i think it is a keepass problem and you could try to fix it recompiling it if there is such an option. |
| 11:53.23 | srg | Brigo: ok, thank you. I was hoping I could install something similar to irqbalance and it would fix it |
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| 11:54.07 | Brigo | srg, may be there is something more you can do, i really don't know. |
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| 11:57.01 | themill | srg: lots of algorithms can't be parallelised to multiple cores. Even if they can, the developers need to do the work to parallelise their implementation. |
| 11:57.58 | srg | Yeah, that makes sense. I was hoping for an easy way out D: |
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| 12:09.32 | srg | Is there a package that will let me send mail without being a whole MTA? I run postfix on my main server, but want to send some mail to myself from my secondary server. |
| 12:10.07 | srg | I don't want to have to use my password to AUTH for it every time...so since my main mail server will accept mail to me@mydomain, can I just send it that way? some how. |
| 12:10.09 | srg | hrm |
| 12:10.11 | srg | thinking out loud. |
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| 12:10.46 | thomas_d | yo what's up with this command not working: sftp u@x.x.x.x -p xxxxx |
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| 12:11.05 | thomas_d | it just comes backw ith the "usage" dialog |
| 12:11.42 | thomas_d | it would seem to work otherwise, just the -p or -P option won't work :\ |
| 12:11.49 | srg | port might have to be before the user@host |
| 12:11.57 | thomas_d | ohhh right yeah i think ure right |
| 12:12.02 | thomas_d | think i did this before lol thx |
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| 12:13.04 | srg | np |
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| 12:21.35 | DelphiWorld | yo guys, |
| 12:21.35 | DelphiWorld | what's the diference bethwan "auto eth0" and "allow-hotplug eth0"? |
| 12:24.20 | teraflop | DelphiWorld: "start interface <interface_name> when the kernel detects a hotplug event from the interface" from https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch05.en.html |
| 12:24.45 | DelphiWorld | teraflop: thx! |
| 12:25.22 | vegardx | In short, auto can take some time to timeout whereas hotplug will only start doing things if it has a connected cable. |
| 12:25.29 | Rephlexie | I always thought it was aimed for datacenter rack hardware |
| 12:25.53 | DelphiWorld | vegardx: lol, got you |
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| 12:26.51 | teraflop | DelphiWorld: start is just start upon start of the system |
| 12:26.59 | xreal | I've read some bug-reports tonight. For the next Debian, buildd-chroot environments are planned without init system :D |
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| 12:29.52 | wakatana | Hello, my goal is installing Ubuntu 14.04.2 LTS under Debian 7 wheezy with full GNOME Desktop. I know I can use use tools like VirtualBox etc. but it seems like overhead. Is it possible using something else e.g. DebootstrapChroot ? |
| 12:29.57 | teraflop | xreal: more evil? I just remember you doing great and full of knowledge comments before as in: systemd is crap because I don't like it |
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| 12:31.18 | xreal | teraflop: it's my birthday... don't be evil :D |
| 12:33.15 | teraflop | gives common sense to xreal as a birthday present |
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| 12:34.05 | xreal | teraflop: "common sense" could not be parsed. please try again. |
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| 12:35.06 | dob1 | hi, it's not clear to me the update to systemd, i read the bot help, but what happen to my init.d scripts? |
| 12:35.23 | dob1 | i man a wheezy -> jeesie dist-upgrade |
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| 12:36.02 | dob1 | *mean |
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| 12:36.23 | themill | dob1: what do you mean by "my init.d scripts"? alterations to existing scripts or custom things you've written from scratch? |
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| 12:37.26 | dob1 | themill, i have some custom scripts in /etc/init.d linked in the various runlevel, what happen to them= |
| 12:37.29 | dob1 | ? |
| 12:38.14 | dob1 | i think the distribution init.d scripts will be replace, but the custom ones? |
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| 12:39.11 | Brigo | dob1, if there are well designed, they will be automaticaly ported to systemd unit files on every boot. |
| 12:39.14 | themill | Your custom ones should keep working just fine |
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| 12:40.58 | xreal | themill & Brigo: Will the be ported or will they keep its position and will just be run? |
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| 12:41.15 | dob1 | themill, how can this work? they are written to work with a different init system |
| 12:42.09 | dob1 | and what about the "required-start" "required-stop" part of the script? |
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| 12:43.26 | dob1 | anyway, documentation is not clear about this |
| 12:43.31 | themill | systemd has been taught to deal with this for you |
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| 12:45.03 | dob1 | themill, they will converted ? |
| 12:45.07 | dob1 | *will be |
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| 12:45.52 | themill | no |
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| 12:47.06 | dob1 | themill, this is done by the systemd-sysv package? |
| 12:47.23 | dob1 | it's this package that support the use of old scripts? |
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| 12:48.32 | themill | That package enables systemd as your init system |
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| 12:50.23 | wakatana | in general anything that can be installed on buntuntu works also on debian? |
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| 12:51.12 | dob1 | themill, i don't get it... systemd has a different way to write init scripts (declarative script), how can it run old init script? |
| 12:51.21 | perry__ | Hello I've installed wicd, which should leave an /etc/init.d/wicd script to start a daemon, but it doesn't. What could be the issue? |
| 12:51.43 | dob1 | it's a debian modification? |
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| 12:52.52 | teraflop | dob1: you can, just take in mind if there is a systemd unit for the same service it takes precedence over the init one. |
| 12:55.11 | teraflop | dob1: there is a #debian-systemd in irc.oftc.net |
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| 12:55.35 | dob1 | teraflop, ok let's assume this for custom init scripts that doesn't exists in the distribution, but if you modify an init script of a package, i think that now all the service has a systemd compatibile init script, what it does now? |
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| 12:57.12 | teraflop | dob1: i do not know if in a systemd system you get the init scripts installed by default |
| 12:57.20 | Joey|Netbook | Good day, i am trying to install some i386 dev packages for cross compilation, but it seems that whenever i want to install some of the packages, it apt wants to remove its 64 bit counterpart or a huge list of (imho) irrelevant packages, any tip on how to prevent this? |
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| 13:00.29 | oo_miguel | anyone using netsurf? It seems to calculate the widths of text and links not properly, since they overlap. |
| 13:00.39 | TXpower | extrenal usb adapter and they works okay but cant find a model name... if is way to detect them? |
| 13:01.18 | TXpower | no any information on body... |
| 13:01.59 | p0g0 | TXpower: lsusb? |
| 13:02.07 | p0g0 | or dmesg |
| 13:02.34 | TXpower | p0g0 thanx |
| 13:02.38 | TXpower | p0g0 :) |
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| 13:46.18 | cfuer_000 | hey there.. i've got a question about debian.. what can i use if my system tells me "lvreduce: command not found" |
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| 13:55.09 | damianll | https://hello.firefox.com/aStycj8gNnA |
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| 14:05.34 | itry | Hello Guys! Has anybody already tried Debian on the new 12" MacBook? |
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| 14:06.38 | abrotman | probably, why? |
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| 14:07.27 | joey_ | Anyone ever have any apt-get update take over an hour? |
| 14:07.32 | itry | abrotman: i would get one if it runs linux smoothly |
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| 14:08.22 | itry | dual booting linux and mac osx might be fun. i never tried osx. |
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| 14:16.17 | joey_ | apt-get install .. downloading at 6000 B/s.. |
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| 14:17.25 | joey_ | and now suddenly everything is flying after apt-key update. wish I knew why |
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| 14:18.14 | vegardx | joey_: You probably hit a bad mirror. Some of the security-mirrors can be a little overloaded. |
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| 14:18.31 | joey_ | Well I thought that so I switched to CA (instead of US) |
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| 14:18.55 | joey_ | the first time apt-get update finished saying something like W: There is no public key available for the following key IDs: |
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| 14:19.01 | joey_ | so that's why I ran the apt-key update |
| 14:19.06 | vegardx | The security mirrors are handled a little differently, probably geo-based DNS. |
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| 14:21.02 | joey_ | Interesting but would that affect an apt-get install? |
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| 14:24.49 | vegardx | Yes, as some packages are served from the security repos. |
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| 14:25.45 | joey_ | That makes sense. debian-keyring would probably qualify for being served from security repos |
| 14:26.15 | vegardx | Bingo! |
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| 14:26.46 | joey_ | Thanks for the insight. Is there anyway to force a different mirror? |
| 14:26.59 | abrotman | itry: Debian has a wiki, might find more info there |
| 14:27.19 | tattoli | itry: you could buy one and return it if it doesnt work with debian |
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| 14:29.13 | itry | tattoli: true |
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| 14:43.13 | anddam | I cannot make jessie netinstall to load non free firmware from a usb stick |
| 14:43.51 | GPenguin | load it after the install maybe? |
| 14:43.52 | anddam | I did yesterday, today I used the very same two usb stick (netinstall and firmware) with the same hw, yesterday it loaded the packages right away, now it keeps prompting me for the missing drivers |
| 14:44.04 | anddam | GPenguin: it's a netinstall and the drivers are for wifi |
| 14:44.13 | GPenguin | ah, sorry |
| 14:44.16 | anddam | well sure I can |
| 14:44.23 | anddam | but the point is yesterday it worked |
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| 14:44.48 | anddam | then I messed up with a few tasksel and I figured "hey, it's fresh new, why don't I just reinstall and let installer deal with it?" |
| 14:44.57 | anddam | and it's not behaving the same and this drives me crazy |
| 14:45.18 | anddam | mostly because I don't know if the installer is supposed to mount the firmware stick somewhere |
| 14:45.25 | anddam | or if it's doing some vodoo |
| 14:45.42 | anddam | dmesg clearly shows the connected device but I cannot see the device in any mountpoint |
| 14:45.42 | C0sm0x | hi |
| 14:46.04 | GPenguin | so when your install media and the driver disk and hardware did not change, hmmm. did you select a different mirror or can you select one? |
| 14:47.27 | JasonWoof | I needed a small patch to get my keyboard (microsoft type cover) to work with debian on my surface 3. This created a new hid-multitouch.ko. I tested it with insmod, works great. I coppied it over the module in /lib, and it works great once my system is fully booted to the console login |
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| 14:47.41 | JasonWoof | but it's not yet enabled when I enter my luks passphrase. How do I get it in there early enough for that? |
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| 14:48.54 | anddam | maybe I used the new httpredir thingy rather than my national mirror but the point is why isn't the installer reading the USB stick with the firmware packages |
| 14:48.57 | anddam | GPenguin: ^ |
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| 14:51.35 | GPenguin | can you open a console during the install and fetch additional info from the logs? |
| 14:51.41 | anddam | sure |
| 14:51.57 | anddam | I mean how do you think I was looking at kernel log messages in first place? |
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| 14:52.02 | anddam | I switched to tty4 |
| 14:52.03 | C0sm0x | dmesg? |
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| 14:52.21 | anddam | C0sm0x: yes but you cannot call that from installer interface |
| 14:52.44 | C0sm0x | correct |
| 14:53.05 | C0sm0x | u used chvt? |
| 14:53.13 | GPenguin | the installer log related to the failed usb access would be handy |
| 14:54.38 | anddam | there is no fail |
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| 14:55.15 | anddam | I connect the stick I see the nice messages about the device, the partitions (I tried both GPT and MBR tables with single FAT partition, packages in /firmware or /) |
| 14:55.20 | anddam | and nothing more |
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| 14:55.38 | anddam | mm does installer have sshd? |
| 14:55.43 | anddam | or ssh? |
| 14:55.50 | anddam | I'm currently on the system I want to reinstall |
| 14:56.02 | anddam | so I'll re-fetch images, re-dump sticks and re-try |
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| 14:56.14 | GPenguin | the installer has no ssh |
| 14:56.15 | anddam | then log into another system and save the output |
| 14:56.25 | anddam | maybe I can save the output on the stick |
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| 14:57.12 | anddam | what'd be useful is the source of installer to check how's it handling the search for media with firmware packages |
| 14:57.15 | anddam | I figure it does a scan |
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| 14:58.21 | anddam | https://wiki.debian.org/Firmware "Firmware supplied on removable media may not be detected in some cases (e.g. 740503). To workaround, drop to the console and manually mount it on /media. " |
| 14:58.37 | anddam | that's ill phrased |
| 14:58.44 | anddam | you won't mount the firmware but the removable media |
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| 14:58.55 | GPenguin | hehe |
| 14:59.12 | anddam | oh sweet |
| 14:59.14 | anddam | Alternatively, there are now versions of the "netinst" CD images that also include all the non-free firmware packages directly - see http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ |
| 14:59.17 | GPenguin | at least its a known problem with a workaround |
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| 15:00.18 | anddam | mm no netinstall with nonfree |
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| 15:01.16 | anddam | can't I edit sources.list at the start of install and add non-free? |
| 15:01.27 | anddam | ah no, I'm loading the network driver |
| 15:01.29 | anddam | whoops |
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| 15:11.47 | jhutchins | !firmware |
| 15:11.47 | dpkg | Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
| 15:12.11 | jhutchins | anddam: /msg dpkg installer firmware |
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| 15:26.52 | nick12345 | hello |
| 15:27.02 | nick12345 | how do i set up iptables to allow only tor traffic? |
| 15:27.11 | anddam | jhutchins: bear in mind that yesterday i followed debian installer notes about using an usb stick with the deb packages and it worked |
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| 15:30.39 | trampel | nick12345, possible resource: http://www.torservers.net/wiki/setup/allowonlytor |
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| 15:31.22 | nick12345 | i followed the instructions on the gentoo wiki, but the rules didnt save |
| 15:31.35 | nick12345 | do i have to issue a command to save the rules? |
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| 15:33.42 | valdyn | nick12345: iptables-save |
| 15:33.49 | nick12345 | ah! |
| 15:33.52 | nick12345 | thanks |
| 15:33.55 | nick12345 | stupid of me |
| 15:33.56 | trampel | and then sometimes you must restart |
| 15:33.59 | valdyn | nick12345: that doesnt save though |
| 15:34.11 | valdyn | nick12345: it just outputs the save data |
| 15:34.33 | trampel | yeah, something like: iptables-save > /etc/iptables/iptables.rules |
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| 15:39.16 | valdyn | but considering that using iptables about as much abstraction as assembler is to machine language, i wouldnt use that, unless i had to |
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| 15:39.27 | valdyn | !ufw |
| 15:39.28 | dpkg | Uncomplicated firewall (ufw) is an <iptables> front-end with syntax similar to OpenBSD's Packet Filter (PF). https://launchpad.net/ufw |
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| 15:41.28 | C0sm0x | !systemd |
| 15:41.28 | dpkg | systemd is a system and service manager for Linux, compatible with SysV and LSB init scripts. It is a replacement for <sysvinit>. systemd shipped as a technology preview in Debian 7 "Wheezy" and is the default init system in Debian 8 "Jessie". https://wiki.debian.org/systemd #debian-systemd on irc.oftc.net http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd #systemd on irc.freenode.net. See also <why systemd>. |
| 15:41.32 | C0sm0x | Everyone should use it! :) |
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| 15:41.36 | C0sm0x | Makes your life easier |
| 15:42.01 | valdyn | C0sm0x: but then i cant blame <random unrelated error> to systemd |
| 15:42.06 | phy1729 | iptables rules aren't that hard to write and mean you actually know what's going on |
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| 15:42.27 | sideup66 | hello room, can anyone guide me on how to configure proper xorg drivers for my debian jessie installation? the card im using is a geforce mx400 graphics card that is compatible with the 96.43.23 jessie installation |
| 15:42.27 | Brigo | phy1729, i completely agree. |
| 15:42.42 | sideup66 | but of course that does not work on the newer debian edition |
| 15:42.49 | valdyn | right, just like assembler |
| 15:42.54 | Brigo | sideup66, what is the problem? |
| 15:42.59 | valdyn | but when you have many rules its a nightmare |
| 15:43.09 | phy1729 | valdyn: how many is "many"? |
| 15:43.23 | sideup66 | Brigo when the system tries to boot and load the xdesktop, the screen will render very tiny in a way which is hard to read bringo |
| 15:43.41 | sideup66 | this is using the nouevau driver as rthe nvidia one for jessie doesn't seem to be compatible... |
| 15:44.26 | jhutchins | On-system "firewalls" are a bad solution to a Microsoft problem. |
| 15:45.10 | sideup66 | frankly bringo i have done some tweaking as well with xorg.conf, and get the x session to open but all i get is a message box stating that somthing went wrong and the system needs to sign off then x quits |
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| 15:45.21 | trampel | C0sm0x: you should write "systemd for dummies" (with lots of xkcd comics included) and i'll be the first to buy a copy. |
| 15:45.40 | sideup66 | trampel im guessing your for systemd? |
| 15:46.09 | trampel | can't parse that for some reason (guess i need irc for dummies too) |
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| 15:51.58 | Brigo | sideup66, please print the output of lspci -nn|grep VGA |
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| 15:55.34 | sideup66 | sure, hang on |
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| 15:55.40 | anddam | this is the installer syslog I saved https://gist.github.com/anddam/53f70db006a9eb39e192 |
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| 15:56.06 | anddam | I'm refecthing it since I manually mounted and then tried a couple more times so there are a few mount/umount errors when the target dir was busy |
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| 15:56.37 | sideup66 | Brigo http://pastebin.com/h3fVmSKu |
| 15:56.41 | sideup66 | that is the output i get |
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| 15:57.12 | metabsd | Hi al |
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| 15:58.22 | metabsd | This morning i do update in debian testing and my ati radeon fglrx-driver not available ? Anyone know what new ? I have to change something? |
| 15:58.44 | C0sm0x | use the command lspci |
| 15:58.48 | C0sm0x | to see if it's still there |
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| 16:00.08 | Brigo | sideup66, i think nvidia-driver should suppot it. |
| 16:00.23 | sideup66 | so install nvidia-driver? |
| 16:01.43 | Brigo | sideup66, yes, you allway can uninstall it :) |
| 16:01.51 | sideup66 | giving it a shot |
| 16:02.02 | Brigo | always :) |
| 16:02.07 | sideup66 | i was following the installation guide outlined here actually https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Version_96.43.23_.28legacy_GPUs.29 |
| 16:02.19 | sideup66 | the nvidia card in this system always gave me grief changing debian version |
| 16:03.09 | Brigo | sideup66, too old. Nvidia-driver package should intall and configure it all automagically :) |
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| 16:04.23 | gerforce | y |
| 16:04.49 | sideup66 | ok brigo, its going, first it complained about noueveu but i read the installation fixes that automagically, but it then claims manual configuration is required to install the nvidia driver |
| 16:05.15 | Brigo | what kind of manual configuration? |
| 16:05.27 | sideup66 | it doesn't specify |
| 16:05.29 | Brigo | first time i heard about it. |
| 16:05.32 | sideup66 | it just says to look in the man pages |
| 16:05.53 | sideup66 | and i think i investigated them yesterday, there it said to just go into the x11 folder and run xorg -configure |
| 16:06.00 | sideup66 | which finds everything and sets up x |
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| 16:06.46 | Brigo | sideup66, it could work. There is too a nvidia-xconfig program you can try. |
| 16:07.03 | phy1729 | A ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked doesn't need to be executable right? |
| 16:07.15 | anddam | phy1729: no it doesn't |
| 16:07.21 | phy1729 | thanks |
| 16:07.40 | anddam | phy1729: why the question? |
| 16:07.51 | sideup66 | ohhhh i forgot about that bringo |
| 16:07.53 | metabsd | Thx |
| 16:07.58 | sideup66 | i used that a while ago lol, thanks Brigo |
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| 16:08.19 | sideup66 | running update initramfs right now in the installation |
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| 16:08.51 | phy1729 | anddam: going through my config and setting minimal permissions |
| 16:09.17 | metabsd | I install it and nvidia-xconfig and now i get no screen found unable to connect to xserver connection refused |
| 16:09.33 | phy1729 | ansible didn't have directory_mode before and so I had to copy over a lot of things with executable bits for the directories |
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| 16:10.44 | sideup66 | hmmmm bringo i ran nvidia-xconfig and it says no package xorg-server was found |
| 16:11.07 | joldy | I did it, I set my password to aHahahaha123 and setup accepted this as a 'strong password' |
| 16:11.17 | sideup66 | lol |
| 16:12.14 | sideup66 | welp bringo |
| 16:12.33 | sideup66 | screen is readable, no desktop still, im wondering i should reinstall my wm and maybe somthing there is missing? |
| 16:12.48 | Brigo | sideup66, of course not, the package is called: xserver-xorg-video-nvidia |
| 16:13.30 | sideup66 | lol wow, im stupid -_- thanks |
| 16:14.01 | TacoGS | Stupid? Probably not, we start with nothing and learn from something :P |
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| 16:14.56 | sideup66 | hmmm yeah trying to load that says xserver-xorg-video-nvidia is already newest and xserver-xorg-video-nvidia is set to manually installed |
| 16:15.42 | somiaj | !tell sideup66 about nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 16:16.05 | somiaj | sideup66: I'm assuming you want the non-free driver, you still need the module for the kernel and modify your xorg.conf file |
| 16:16.35 | somiaj | also follow those factoid, the old method of generate a config file is out dated and may not generate the best config. The only thing you need is to tell xorg to use the driver, you don't need anything else for the most part |
| 16:16.41 | Brigo | nvidia-driver virtual package should have taken care of that. |
| 16:16.42 | sideup66 | somiaj that is what nvidia-xconfig is for somiaj |
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| 16:17.06 | sideup66 | and i just tried to load x which fails with an error claiming it can't find the display |
| 16:17.11 | sideup66 | which actually, i have an idea about |
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| 16:17.30 | Brigo | sideup66, is Xorg running? |
| 16:18.21 | anddam | ok, here's my install log from the failed firmware loading, I wrote what I did with some output and marked the relevant parts in syslog https://gist.github.com/anddam/53f70db006a9eb39e192 |
| 16:18.28 | sideup66 | can never figure that out actually, cntrol +alt+f7 doesn't show anything |
| 16:18.34 | sideup66 | though so i assume no |
| 16:18.34 | somiaj | sideup66: again that old method of generating a full config file is not needed. I think it is better to use just a config snippit and let xorg detect the monintor, keyboard and other thigns correclty |
| 16:18.44 | somiaj | you can also check /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see why xorg isnt' able to detect the card |
| 16:18.56 | anddam | any hint in figuring out what's happening is _greatly_ appreciated, I'm going with the netinstall image that comes with nonfree firmware but I'd still like to figure this out |
| 16:19.03 | Brigo | sideup66, then reboot, and let's see what happen. |
| 16:19.16 | sideup66 | doing so |
| 16:19.39 | sideup66 | i have an idea, ages ago i had this happen and i found a snippet for the monitor on this system with proper resolutions |
| 16:19.50 | sideup66 | im wondering if i dump that into screen if itll make a difference in xorg.conf |
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| 16:20.15 | sideup66 | i mean monitor |
| 16:20.15 | introom | hi. how to see from what package is a certain file installed? |
| 16:20.36 | sideup66 | and the f7 window does nothing Brigo |
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| 16:21.37 | Brigo | sideup66, check /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 16:22.22 | Brigo | anddam, why don't you use image with firmware inside? |
| 16:22.44 | somiaj | sideup66: does your xorg.confg you generate already have all this monintor stuff? Have you followed the factoid and tried to generate just a small xorg.conf file with like 4 lines? |
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| 16:24.30 | sideup66 | not really... but there is an error in the logfile |
| 16:24.38 | sideup66 | about driver incompatibility and it says it ignores the drive |
| 16:24.39 | sideup66 | r |
| 16:24.48 | anddam | Brigo: I am, now |
| 16:24.53 | anddam | before I didn't know it existed |
| 16:25.02 | Brigo | sideup66, can you paste the logs ? |
| 16:25.09 | sideup66 | doing that now |
| 16:25.09 | Brigo | anddam, nice. |
| 16:25.13 | anddam | still I don't like that it doesn't work |
| 16:25.17 | sideup66 | brigo http://pastebin.com/2QBasCLw |
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| 16:25.30 | anddam | Brigo: yesterday I used same memory stick with same machine and it loaded the firmware straight away |
| 16:25.31 | sideup66 | that is the output of the snippit where things seem to go wrong |
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| 16:25.41 | anddam | Brigo: quite uncanny |
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| 16:25.58 | Brigo | sideup66, ops you need legacy driver, not this ones :/ |
| 16:26.14 | somiaj | sideup66: are you running jessie? |
| 16:26.17 | sideup66 | Brigo yeah, that is my problem |
| 16:26.21 | sideup66 | and yes somiaj |
| 16:26.24 | Brigo | remove nvidia-driver package and xserver-xorg-video-nvidia |
| 16:26.36 | somiaj | sideup66: then you cannot use the nvidia drivers and must use nouveau, nv or vesa |
| 16:26.57 | somiaj | nvidia no longer supports that age of gpu's, and the 96.43.xx legacy drivers are not compadable with the xorg abi in jessie. |
| 16:26.58 | sideup66 | Brigo it only wants to remove the meta |
| 16:27.16 | somiaj | wheezy is the last debian release that supports that generation of card with the non-free driver. |
| 16:27.18 | Brigo | sideup66, yes, and then apt-get autoremove |
| 16:27.24 | sideup66 | oh |
| 16:27.24 | sideup66 | ok |
| 16:27.32 | Brigo | sideup66, you have to install nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver |
| 16:27.51 | sideup66 | but somiaj just said it isn't compatible... |
| 16:27.52 | sideup66 | =\ |
| 16:27.56 | somiaj | Brigo: that won't work, the legacy drivers he needs no longer support the xorg abi, there is no non-free driver for that age of card in jessie |
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| 16:28.09 | sideup66 | will they ever implement one |
| 16:28.11 | Brigo | somiaj, yes, i see now :( |
| 16:28.13 | sideup66 | or is it out of the question |
| 16:28.29 | somiaj | sideup66: nope, you can look up the bug report but nvidia said they are no longer supporting the 96.43.xx legacy drivers |
| 16:28.43 | somiaj | they stoped support about 2 years ago |
| 16:28.56 | Brigo | sideup66, then only nouveau available. |
| 16:29.13 | sideup66 | i guess that and some xorg sorcery should get it working |
| 16:29.18 | sideup66 | it only needs basic usability |
| 16:29.22 | sideup66 | i dont care about advanced featuresets |
| 16:29.25 | somiaj | then use nouveau |
| 16:29.28 | sideup66 | because this is well just a server |
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| 16:30.39 | anddam | Brigo: did you asked that because you had a look at install log? |
| 16:30.43 | somiaj | then why even haev xorg? (: |
| 16:30.56 | Brigo | anddam, yes. |
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| 16:32.11 | anddam | Brigo: did someting capture your attention? I cannot figure why it wouldn't find it, now, while it was perfectly capable yesterday |
| 16:32.34 | anddam | Brigo: are the comments clear? |
| 16:32.38 | anddam | I mean about the ###Â markers |
| 16:32.40 | sideup66 | so somiaj i guess the next move after uninstallation is to install nouveau |
| 16:33.04 | Brigo | anddam, no, i don't know, i have never tried it. I use to install with the non-official cd with non-free firmware included. |
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| 16:33.26 | Brigo | sideup66, you last hope :) |
| 16:33.34 | danielR | Hello everybody. Can some tell me why selinux-policy-default package is not available on Jessie? I'm trying to experiment with Selinux on Debian. |
| 16:33.43 | sideup66 | it should work Brigo like i said its just a server |
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| 16:33.48 | sideup66 | and doesn't run the deksotp all the time |
| 16:34.06 | sideup66 | so long as i can get somthing usable that is basic thats good enough' |
| 16:34.51 | anddam | is installing task-*-desktop packages any different than letting installer's tasksel to install the respective entries? |
| 16:35.12 | anddam | I'd like to install MATE now and eventually switch to another DE at a later stage |
| 16:35.43 | anddam | more important: can I effectively purge a task-*-package? |
| 16:35.43 | sideup66 | the next question is how to go about installing nouveu after removing nvidia |
| 16:36.05 | anddam | or should I go with the minimal system now and install task-*-desktop later saving the list of packages? |
| 16:36.10 | anddam | (for future removal) |
| 16:36.13 | Brigo | anddam, you should purge it, yes. |
| 16:36.39 | Brigo | anddam, i think it is the same. |
| 16:36.55 | sideup66 | Brigo |
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| 16:36.57 | anddam | Brigo: I asked effectively because I noticed that at times I install a package, then uninstall it and the recommended don't go away with it |
| 16:37.09 | sideup66 | idk if that was nouveu but i just tried to launch x after removing then nvidia crap |
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| 16:37.33 | sideup66 | and it crashes because it says the nvidia opengl driver requires cpus with sse to run |
| 16:37.40 | sideup66 | which apparently i dont have (yes i know its ancient) |
| 16:37.51 | Brigo | anddam, then use apt-get autoremove. Everything installed automatically with that package will be removed. |
| 16:38.40 | Brigo | sideup66, then nouveau don't support your card ... |
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| 16:39.41 | shay_shay | anddam: how are/were your efi adventures ? |
| 16:39.55 | sideup66 | oh that was nouveu bombing out.... |
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| 16:40.45 | anddam | shay_shay: so so |
| 16:40.51 | anddam | shay_shay: the main issue is the firmware implementation |
| 16:41.01 | shay_shay | anddam: i noticed that too, it seems to have started with jessie. when i use autoremove nothing happens |
| 16:41.06 | sideup66 | so i guess i got ot two options Brigo |
| 16:41.06 | anddam | it somehow screws my bootloader list since I removed the (builtin) Windows BCD |
| 16:41.16 | sideup66 | either find another card or live with cli only |
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| 16:41.49 | anddam | shay_shay: so occasionally I get that my single "debian" bootloader (grub2) gets duplicated in Boot0000 and then the firmware boot menu hangs on that |
| 16:41.57 | anddam | either displaying twice the entry or none at all |
| 16:42.00 | anddam | shay_shay: nice eh? |
| 16:42.20 | shay_shay | anddam: lame, i had some bad experiences with intel motherboards in the last week too |
| 16:42.23 | anddam | shay_shay: oh, in that misterious duplication the boot entry loses its loader value, i.e. the path to the loader |
| 16:42.26 | SteffenPo | hi all, i use debian-testing and since the upgrade yesterday i can not connect to my email with evolution? I do have to force it to go online by starting parameters.... How do i get it back working so there are no parameters needed. |
| 16:42.48 | anddam | shay_shay: I solved enabling UEFI shell in firmware, that allows me to always boot into the lousy shell Intel kindly shipped |
| 16:43.03 | anddam | shay_shay: it doesn't have bcfg command, so you cannot do what you'd do with efibootmgr |
| 16:43.34 | shay_shay | anddam: thats a generic shell, youll notice if you make a uefi virtualbox it will be identical |
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| 16:43.42 | anddam | but I'm smart, I just downloaded an UEFI shell 2.x (actually two, 2.0 and 2.1) and jump into those when I need to edit the boot entries |
| 16:43.53 | danielR | FYI, just googled and saw this: http://osdir.com/ml/general/2015-04/msg35351.html |
| 16:43.55 | anddam | shay_shay: what do you mean generic shell? |
| 16:44.05 | sideup66 | appreciate your help though Brigo |
| 16:44.12 | shay_shay | anddam: interesting, how do you use the shells you downloaded exactly? |
| 16:44.20 | danielR | so Debian 8 have no Selinux #dammit |
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| 16:44.30 | shay_shay | anddam: i mean, do you have to flash them or just chain load into them? |
| 16:44.39 | anddam | I copied those onto a FAT partition, plugged it while I was in the 1.0 shell and copied those into my ESP |
| 16:44.41 | anddam | on the HD |
| 16:44.49 | shay_shay | ah good idea |
| 16:44.53 | anddam | the beauty of UEFI is exactly relying on FAT and PEs |
| 16:45.09 | anddam | I start them manually since my boot entries are scrambled from time to time |
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| 16:45.33 | shay_shay | i guess you cant hate on apple for deciding to put ESP's on hfs+ |
| 16:45.34 | anddam | my guess is it's the firmware Boot menu itself that somehow "privileges" windows and tries to pull that Boot0000 entry it had (and that I deleted) |
| 16:45.57 | superfast | I am getting distorted and fuzzy video in Youtube.com, usually when I replay it |
| 16:46.05 | anddam | well they extended the support, but my guess is their firmware has to support FAT as well |
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| 16:46.11 | anddam | just their installer won't deal with it |
| 16:46.19 | anddam | anyway |
| 16:46.52 | anddam | since I got my grubefi loader I'm fine, I'll eventually install refind at later stage |
| 16:47.03 | anddam | I hoped of doing bare metal install of different systems but it's going to be a mess |
| 16:47.14 | anddam | so I'm reinstalling a single debian now and then use kvm for all systems |
| 16:47.21 | shay_shay | bare metal = direct efi stub boot? |
| 16:47.40 | anddam | I meant not virtualized |
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| 16:47.55 | anddam | even UEFI through grub2 would be fine |
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| 16:48.05 | anddam | for netbsd I should go with that |
| 16:48.11 | anddam | many of the BSDs don't cope well with UEFI yet |
| 16:48.34 | shay_shay | freebsd just added uefi support |
| 16:48.35 | anddam | the alternative would be doing the opposite, i.e. using a netbsd system as base (rather than debian) and use xen on that |
| 16:48.42 | anddam | in RELEASE? |
| 16:48.49 | shay_shay | no its in stable already |
| 16:48.57 | shay_shay | er... is that what release is? |
| 16:49.03 | anddam | IIRC it is |
| 16:49.11 | anddam | the dev being CURRENT |
| 16:49.22 | shay_shay | ah yes, so yes in RELEASE |
| 16:49.25 | anddam | and how's fbsd as host system? |
| 16:49.43 | anddam | I mean I read only good things about KVM so I'd stay with Debian as base |
| 16:49.55 | anddam | but this is exactly to exit my comfort zone |
| 16:50.00 | shay_shay | well i dont think bsds are even in the race |
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| 16:50.23 | anddam | I netbsd seems to deal well as host with xen |
| 16:50.32 | anddam | the race for virtualization host? |
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| 16:50.39 | shay_shay | yeah |
| 16:51.40 | somiaj | sideup66: you need to remove all of the xorg.conf files you created |
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| 16:52.16 | somiaj | sideup66: nouveau also reaquires you have the kms driver loaded, but the nvidia packages blacklist it, so you many need to reboot and load the nouveau kms driver |
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| 16:53.39 | sideup66 | somiaj ok, do i just apt-get install nouveau kms driver then after reboot? which i rebooted from the uninstall already |
| 16:53.44 | sideup66 | which i think removes the block |
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| 16:54.09 | somiaj | sideup66: it should be inclued in your kernel. Now installing the nvidia stuff will blacklist it, check /etc/modprobe.d to make sure it is not blacklisted. It should be loaded by default, but not positive as I haven't used it in a while. |
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| 16:55.19 | anddam | shay_shay: this has been fun,the UEFI is actually a nice idea but I see how the implementation sucks |
| 16:55.37 | sideup66 | hang on somiaj going to check modprobe now |
| 16:55.46 | sideup66 | yup |
| 16:56.06 | anddam | shay_shay: TBH I'm not sure I'd be able to setup a BIOS booting system, I mean I definitely hav a better grasp at UEFI behavior (now) |
| 16:56.07 | sideup66 | there is a nvidia-blacklists-nouveau.conf file there |
| 16:56.09 | shay_shay | anddam: it works fine on some motherboards, its just some OEM's dont give a shit about "correntness" and just to the bare minumum to keep windows users happy |
| 16:56.10 | anddam | I never went too in-depth |
| 16:56.14 | sideup66 | and an nvidia.conf |
| 16:56.42 | anddam | shay_shay: btw I read a statement about Intel NUC on their forum, they "officially only support Windows" |
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| 16:56.44 | shay_shay | s/to/do |
| 16:57.00 | namoamitabuddha | How can I upgrade wheezy-bpo to jessie? |
| 16:57.12 | anddam | shay_shay: I won't buy anymore products from them on purpose, unless I have to. What kind of crap is that even? |
| 16:57.17 | sideup66 | is it safe to just blow those away somiaj |
| 16:57.25 | namoamitabuddha | I followed the instructions from release notes of jessie, but some packages are left un-upgraded. |
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| 16:57.30 | shay_shay | anddam: asus says that too, they only support windows... i wont buy any products from asus for that reason |
| 16:57.43 | anddam | shay_shay: I don't even understand what that means on their side |
| 16:57.44 | somiaj | sideup66: I woudl make sure you removed the package that supplies the blacklist file, and removing the xorg.conf file is safe, because there is none by default. |
| 16:57.46 | namoamitabuddha | Any idea? |
| 16:58.00 | anddam | shay_shay: and we're not talking drivers here |
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| 16:58.02 | somiaj | namoamitabuddha: did you run dist-upgrade or upgrade? |
| 16:58.07 | shay_shay | anddam: that means if they left something out and it doesnt work for anything else, they wont even bother fixing it |
| 16:58.23 | anddam | shay_shay: I hope open hardware can have a break in the market |
| 16:58.27 | WangDang_ | anyone know what the portmapper binary is called on wheezy? I've tried "ls *port* *rpc*" in sbin bin /usr/sbin and /usr/bin but didn't see anything that looked like portmapper |
| 16:58.44 | anddam | shay_shay: enough with the OT |
| 16:58.56 | namoamitabuddha | somiaj: Yes, but I found something like this: |
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| 16:59.37 | somiaj | namoamitabuddha: if dist-upgrade is not upgrading all your packages then one of two things. 1) you have some packages manually held and need to remove the olds. 2) you have unoffical third party sources and packages depending on older packages keeping them from upgrading. |
| 16:59.51 | namoamitabuddha | somiaj: http://pastebin.com/jrrmYusq |
| 17:00.50 | somiaj | ,v libreaoffice-core |
| 17:00.51 | judd | No package named 'libreaoffice-core' was found in amd64. |
| 17:00.55 | somiaj | ,v libreoffice-core |
| 17:00.57 | judd | Package: libreoffice-core on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:3.5.4+dfsg2-0+deb7u2; squeeze-backports: 1:3.5.4+dfsg2-0+deb7u4~bpo60+1; wheezy-security: 1:3.5.4+dfsg2-0+deb7u4; jessie: 1:4.3.3-2; wheezy-backports: 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u1~bpo70+1; sid: 1:4.4.3-1; stretch: 1:4.4.3-1 |
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| 17:01.16 | sideup66 | nope somiaj it fails after removing the block |
| 17:01.25 | sideup66 | and updating initramfs, still complains that i dont have sse |
| 17:02.01 | namoamitabuddha | somiaj: So how can I upgrade ones from wheezy-bpo to jessie? |
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| 17:02.18 | somiaj | namoamitabuddha: that seems to be a bug with the wheezy-backports package. The version in wheezy backports is higher than the version in jessie. I think that is an error on the matianers fault |
| 17:02.30 | somiaj | namoamitabuddha: apt-get install libreoffice-core=1:4.3.3-2 |
| 17:03.04 | namoamitabuddha | somiaj: But it's painful for me to do things like this since there's a bunch of packages suffered from this. |
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| 17:04.01 | namoamitabuddha | somiaj: I was checking 'aptitude search ~o', therefore found these. |
| 17:04.14 | sideup66 | somiaj what im doing is completely purging xorg to reset it completely |
| 17:04.29 | abrotman | WangDang_: did you try with apt-file? |
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| 17:06.40 | WangDang_ | no, let me try that, thanks |
| 17:06.50 | namoamitabuddha | Oh, when I tried something like this, I should so-called downgrade a lot of package. Funny! |
| 17:06.50 | sideup66 | this is too weird |
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| 17:07.28 | somiaj | namoamitabuddha: unforntally if there is a bug in the wheezy-backport version apt won't automatically upgrade them if it thinks the version you have installed is greater |
| 17:08.00 | somiaj | namoamitabuddha: those versions should have been a -deb8u1 (asopposed to a +deb8u1) to ensure the jessie version is considered greater. The only way to fix this is manually one at a time, and then file a bug. |
| 17:08.08 | namoamitabuddha | You are right, and now it seems irreversible. |
| 17:08.15 | jelly | somiaj: I see libreoffice-core 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u1 in jessie-security, judd's delayed or broken |
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| 17:08.38 | somiaj | jelly: oh, still seems strange that the backport version has a +deb8u1 on it |
| 17:08.45 | jelly | somiaj: not at all |
| 17:08.52 | somiaj | namoamitabuddha: listen to jelly, do you have security sources included? |
| 17:09.10 | jelly | it has the jessie version ~ bpo thing |
| 17:09.20 | namoamitabuddha | Yes, but before upgrading to jussie, I did clean them up from sources.list |
| 17:09.25 | somiaj | jelly: oh duh, yea the security version was backported, not the actual version....but without seeing there was one in security it seemed strange. (: |
| 17:10.08 | namoamitabuddha | The inclusion of security sources is suggested by, maybe Debian Reference. |
| 17:10.17 | jelly | !jessie sources.list |
| 17:10.17 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
| 17:10.33 | somiaj | namoamitabuddha: it is always suggested to include security sources. But yea I missed that there was a newer version in secuirty. |
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| 17:12.37 | namoamitabuddha | The only difference is that I use a mirror of Debian Security. |
| 17:13.03 | namoamitabuddha | ,v openjdk-7-jre |
| 17:13.04 | judd | Package: openjdk-7-jre on amd64 -- wheezy: 7u3-2.1.7-1; jessie: 7u75-2.5.4-2; stretch: 7u75-2.5.4-2; wheezy-security: 7u79-2.5.5-1~deb7u1; sid: 7u79-2.5.5-1 |
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| 17:13.36 | namoamitabuddha | This means that I need to really downgrade a package. |
| 17:14.38 | jelly | namoamitabuddha: that one is also newer in jessie-security than what the bot is showing: 7u79-2.5.5-1~deb8u1 |
| 17:15.31 | jelly | best use security.debian.org DNS RR, not mirrors (honestly I didn't even know there were official mirrors) |
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| 17:17.35 | centrx | Any recommendations on Calendar apps? |
| 17:18.00 | namoamitabuddha | Thanks |
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| 17:18.51 | teraflop | centrx: cli? Gui? Web? |
| 17:19.02 | centrx | GUI |
| 17:19.11 | centrx | Not web because Google is always following me around |
| 17:19.19 | centrx | with their StreetView vans and self-driving cars ;) |
| 17:19.32 | teraflop | centrx: are you in gnome? |
| 17:19.39 | centrx | negative, but I have GTK and so forth |
| 17:20.08 | sideup66 | btw |
| 17:20.27 | sideup66 | how good is nvidia driver support in linux, ie if i swapped the card in this system with maybe an older radeon |
| 17:20.58 | teraflop | Gnome-online-accounts is not bat but not for you as i see |
| 17:21.08 | teraflop | But* |
| 17:21.26 | centrx | Yeah Gnome has a lot of problems |
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| 17:21.57 | centrx | teraflop, Looks like there is something made by Mozilla called "Lightning" |
| 17:22.20 | teraflop | centrx: yes. Not bat. |
| 17:22.23 | namoamitabuddha | jelly: But it seems to me that the speed is lower than the prior settings. |
| 17:22.44 | centrx | teraflop, I think your t key must be mixed up with your d key |
| 17:23.14 | jelly | Thunderbird and Lightning, very very frightning me! |
| 17:23.14 | teraflop | centrx: sorry I'm on the phone |
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| 17:23.58 | centrx | teraflop, yeah just mentioning it to be helpful, np |
| 17:24.01 | bibi__ | hello, someone can help me with the "touch" command please :) |
| 17:24.09 | centrx | !ask |
| 17:24.10 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 17:24.53 | teraflop | centrx: I switched time ago for a DAV server now I have all the stuff online. If you can have an online thing doing that I think is the best option so far |
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| 17:27.01 | teraflop | centrx: calendar & contacts online in any device |
| 17:27.10 | centrx | yeah I want to keep it private on my local machine |
| 17:27.23 | centrx | and then I will just keep it in my head for What's happening today |
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| 17:27.54 | centrx | I know what you're saying though |
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| 17:28.11 | centrx | My use case is just to replace my memory for long-term/far-off events that I won't be sure I will remember |
| 17:29.55 | teraflop | I do sogo right now and it performs pretty well. But there are things more lightweight if you only want the contacts & calendar stuff |
| 17:30.34 | jelly | teraflop: how many users/domains do you have in sogo? |
| 17:30.42 | somiaj | jelly: I think there are offical mirrors, but they are all hidden behind security.debian.org |
| 17:30.52 | teraflop | centrx: but if you want sync between devices you'll Need something running online |
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| 17:31.08 | teraflop | jelly: ldap |
| 17:31.23 | jelly | teraflop: that... is not a number! |
| 17:31.27 | centrx | Sticking with brain-sync using optical nerve |
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| 17:31.38 | teraflop | jelly: heh sorry |
| 17:31.53 | somiaj | namoamitabuddha: most of your packages will not come via security.debian.org, so even if that mirror is a little slwoer, it should be fine. Most packages will come from your mirror. Only security fixes come from s.d.o, and during the point release all the fixes are pushed to the normal mirrors. |
| 17:32.06 | jelly | has a perl script pretending to be a ldap server |
| 17:32.17 | teraflop | jelly: I do sogo also for customers about 200 users and several domains |
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| 17:34.00 | sideup66 | ok somiaj i removed everything related to nvidia then ran lsmod | grep noueveu and 4 modules are listed for it |
| 17:34.06 | sideup66 | and then iran startx as root |
| 17:34.27 | sideup66 | and i get a window to show (its readable!!!!) but it says oh no somthing has gone wrong and and a option to log out |
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| 17:34.37 | sideup66 | no error is shown in xorg though |
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| 17:34.59 | somiaj | sideup66: don't use gnome, I woudln't use it on such an old gpu |
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| 17:35.23 | sideup66 | somiaj i had removed gnome though????? |
| 17:35.29 | sideup66 | i put on xfce |
| 17:35.45 | somiaj | sideup66: If I knew how to better debug that error you are getting I would try to, but that error is really ahrd to debug |
| 17:36.03 | sideup66 | ok somiaj also note though the shell does not look right at all |
| 17:36.05 | somiaj | sideup66: that oh no womething has gone wrong sounds like a gnome error. Maybe you didnt' completely remove gnome. Youa re using startx right? |
| 17:36.14 | sideup66 | it looks small and yes |
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| 17:36.18 | sideup66 | i just ran apt-get remove gnome* |
| 17:36.22 | sideup66 | and it had a bunch of stuff |
| 17:36.25 | sideup66 | pulling it out now |
| 17:36.38 | somiaj | sideup66: I would modify you .xsession file and make it force your machien to boot xfce, I don't know what the command to start xfce is |
| 17:37.00 | sideup66 | it should auto start after install |
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| 17:37.05 | sideup66 | but im removing all traces of gnome now |
| 17:37.26 | somiaj | sideup66: https://wiki.debian.org/Xfce#From_the_console |
| 17:37.46 | somiaj | if you follow those instructions for modify .xsession and then ensureing your user is assoicated with consolekit, startx should work just fine. |
| 17:38.29 | sideup66 | opened it |
| 17:38.36 | teraflop | centrx: if you want something light there are many options just taking a look at google for something like DAV server contacts linux |
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| 17:40.34 | sideup66 | wow somiaj the guide found even more |
| 17:40.42 | sideup66 | seriously, wow xorg is huge =\ |
| 17:40.45 | centrx | teraflop, Thank you very much |
| 17:40.59 | centrx | teraflop, You undersell yourself, you are more like a petaflop or an etaflop |
| 17:41.04 | sideup66 | i feel like im pulling half the system out between xorg and gnome |
| 17:41.05 | sideup66 | wow |
| 17:41.06 | ygeLN | bogomips |
| 17:41.11 | teraflop | centrx: nah yw |
| 17:41.11 | sideup66 | then once that is loaded up |
| 17:41.18 | sideup66 | we can see if it looks ok on desktop (i hope) |
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| 17:43.41 | sideup66 | actually |
| 17:43.52 | sideup66 | im curious how people feel about moving to systemd from sysvinit |
| 17:44.01 | sideup66 | i do notice a faster boot, but its more windows esque |
| 17:44.05 | sideup66 | in the sense of a quick desktop |
| 17:44.11 | sideup66 | but 6000 things happening in the background |
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| 17:46.10 | abrotman | sideup66: works fine .. no complaints |
| 17:46.17 | sideup66 | hm |
| 17:46.19 | anddam | is there a factoid for 3D hw acceleration? |
| 17:46.24 | sideup66 | i thought the same actually |
| 17:46.38 | abrotman | anddam: for which card? |
| 17:46.42 | sideup66 | and wait woah -_- why do i have borked dependancies in spades |
| 17:46.43 | sideup66 | wow |
| 17:46.46 | anddam | I see I have the appropriate kmod but the system doesn't have glxinfo, I can install mesa-utils but I don't know the whole needed shebang |
| 17:46.52 | anddam | abrotman: integrated i915 |
| 17:47.00 | abrotman | anddam: should pretty much "just work" |
| 17:47.06 | abrotman | anddam: how did you install X? |
| 17:47.14 | anddam | abrotman: I'm fresh out of netinstall |
| 17:47.24 | anddam | abrotman: but to answer you question, tasksel |
| 17:47.29 | abrotman | anddam: aptitude install xorg |
| 17:47.47 | anddam | abrotman: no I mean I used Debian Dekstop tasks |
| 17:47.51 | anddam | MATE and LXDE |
| 17:47.57 | anddam | I'm already in xorg |
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| 17:48.03 | abrotman | anddam: my suggestino still stands |
| 17:48.20 | anddam | abrotman: even if xorg package is marked ii? |
| 17:48.25 | sideup66 | ohhh i see what the wiki is doing somiaj |
| 17:48.33 | sideup66 | its fixing all the dependancies |
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| 17:48.37 | sideup66 | then removeing ALL of gnome |
| 17:48.44 | abrotman | anddam: you don't have the glxinfo binary? |
| 17:48.45 | sideup66 | then its gonna load xfce |
| 17:48.52 | anddam | abrotman: completed, "Need to get 0 B of archives. After unpacking 0 B will be used." |
| 17:48.59 | anddam | abrotman: I don't |
| 17:49.19 | abrotman | judd: file bin/glxinfo --release jessie |
| 17:49.23 | judd | Search for bin/glxinfo in jessie/amd64: mesa-utils: usr/bin/glxinfo |
| 17:49.28 | anddam | I went checking PDO and I see it's in mesa-utils but I asked for a factoid in case I was missing something |
| 17:49.48 | anddam | un mesa-utils <none> <none> (no description available) |
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| 17:50.21 | abrotman | would think xorg would pull that in |
| 17:50.31 | anddam | direct rendering: Yes |
| 17:50.33 | anddam | server glx vendor string: SGI |
| 17:50.40 | anddam | looks good? |
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| 17:54.09 | xreal | Interesting. pbuilder uses "mount -t devfs" and "mount -t devpts" instead of --bind. Won't this make trouble with devices created by udev? |
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| 17:57.03 | teraflop | anddam: is that a nvidia GPU? |
| 17:57.15 | anddam | teraflop: no it isn't, it's an Intel integrated GPU |
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| 17:57.50 | teraflop | Ah. OK then |
| 17:57.51 | WangDang_ | I'm trying to figure out what the portmapper binary is called. I've tried "ls *map* *port* *rpc*" in /bin, /sbin, /usr/bin and /usr/sbin. I've also tried "apt-file list {map|port|rpc}" with no luck. Can anyone help me find what binary runs the portmapper? |
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| 18:02.23 | nkuttler | WangDang_: this one https://github.com/kaklakariada/portmapper ? doesn't seem to be packaged |
| 18:04.51 | sideup66 | ok somiaj xfce is installed with xdm |
| 18:04.56 | sideup66 | rebooting to see if i get it to run |
| 18:05.21 | sideup66 | i like to run with the login manager, i know roundabout but its easier to just control it from the service ;) |
| 18:06.08 | sideup66 | yup |
| 18:06.10 | sideup66 | get a desktop |
| 18:06.15 | sideup66 | but the res is all screwy :( |
| 18:08.44 | sideup66 | ill be back in a bit |
| 18:08.51 | sideup66 | if we can get the shell to look normal ill be ok then :) |
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| 18:09.09 | sideup66 | not a perfect screen but definitely usable |
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| 18:21.50 | rozie | MadDogWilli: you sent it on public channel |
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| 18:24.23 | carandraug | looking for a english word. What's the name when one takes a server offline for update, by swapping by another, in order to have unintertupted service? |
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| 18:26.54 | centrx | carandraug, I'm not sure. It's like 'failover', but that seems like it is an unexpected failure, not planned |
| 18:27.04 | centrx | carandraug, 'backup' is the general vague term of course |
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| 18:28.10 | centrx | carandraug, 'switching' (instead of 'swapping') would be the general English term, but may not be as specific as what you are referring to |
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| 18:30.01 | teraflop | carandraug: yeah HA or failover |
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| 18:31.38 | teraflop | but that implies the admin do not switch to anything by hand, so I dont know |
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| 18:45.18 | carandraug | teraflop: yeah, that is to prevent accidents. WHat I meant is have two instances running, and start moving all operations to another server, then shut it down, upgrade/modify/whatever, and then bring it back up, and do the same on the otehr. |
| 18:45.26 | carandraug | maybe there's just not word for it |
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| 18:54.35 | Nezos | hi, i am running an sh script, usually it is run by anacron but i get an email of the output (no error occurs when running the script). Is there a way to stop it from mailing me the std output? |
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| 18:55.18 | Naphatul | i added jessie backports to install docker but i'm still not seeing it, is backports on available for arm or is it just the package that's not available? |
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| 18:57.30 | teraflop | Naphatul: I only see docker.io in sid |
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| 18:59.25 | Naphatul | hmm well this says backports : https://docs.docker.com/installation/debian/ |
| 18:59.37 | Naphatul | although now i see it singles out x64 |
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| 19:40.40 | sideup66 | im back |
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| 19:45.14 | linuxthefish | is "wpa-conf /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf" the best way to configure wpa2-psk? |
| 19:45.36 | linuxthefish | there seems to be lots of different ways to do it, but i don't want to use network manager... |
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| 19:46.36 | Walex | linuxthefish: I do it by hand, or you could use 'wpa_gui' and save |
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| 19:46.49 | Walex | linuxthefish: or 'wpa_cli' even |
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| 19:51.11 | Walex | linuxthefish: 2 examples here, one for my home setup, and one for a more complicated one: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11172160/ |
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| 19:56.08 | WangDang_ | just in case anyone who heard me twice ask about portmap binaries is still around, and is interested, portmap is provided by the package and binary rpcbind |
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| 19:56.42 | sideup66 | hey room |
| 19:56.56 | sideup66 | i have a question, now that i have kinda got things working on my nvidia card through nouveau |
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| 19:59.53 | sideup66 | i made the screen not pretty, but useable atthis point for desktop, but the cli is not right, the screen still shows incredibly small |
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| 20:14.42 | sideup66 | i think i got it, nevermind room |
| 20:14.47 | sideup66 | reconfigured console setup |
| 20:14.54 | sideup66 | again, not perfect but looks useable :) |
| 20:15.08 | sideup66 | my boot still dont look right but it resets |
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| 20:16.53 | nadu | Hi. Is there a built in way to enable auto updates on a server? |
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| 20:21.26 | sideup66 | how important is it that the preboot splash screen is readable by the way, im just curious =\ |
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| 20:21.36 | sideup66 | like before the os is fully booted |
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| 20:24.08 | fanny | hey there. I did a systemd-analyze and found out that my computer took only 3sec to boot kernel and systemd processes. But took 30 seconds of "firmware" and 5 seconds of "loader" |
| 20:24.14 | fanny | I guess there is a problem. |
| 20:25.48 | teraflop | fanny: indeed |
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| 20:25.54 | anddam | what's "loader" there? |
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| 20:26.19 | fanny | I don't even know what a loader is |
| 20:26.24 | fanny | grub ? |
| 20:26.25 | teraflop | fanny: try systemd-analyze blame then |
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| 20:26.59 | sideup66 | what i mean by anddam is when the system boots |
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| 20:27.13 | fanny | well, there is only "loader", "firmware" :o |
| 20:27.20 | sideup66 | it turns on, can see the bios ok, grub is fine, then the os starts loading, then it gets to some point where i think drivers are loaded |
| 20:27.57 | anddam | sideup66: my question was referred to what fanny had just said |
| 20:28.03 | fanny | The firmware and loader phase are *before* loading the kernel |
| 20:28.05 | sideup66 | oh |
| 20:28.07 | sideup66 | nevermind |
| 20:28.07 | sideup66 | sorry |
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| 20:28.28 | anddam | fanny: how can systemd record that? |
| 20:28.39 | fanny | that's a good question. |
| 20:28.43 | sideup66 | im basically hacking in nvidia driver fixes, they are cludgy as anything but have no permanent support |
| 20:28.47 | anddam | unless it's payload that's carried on |
| 20:28.54 | fanny | I guess there is logs somewhere |
| 20:29.02 | anddam | not before loading kernel |
| 20:29.09 | anddam | unless the bootloader is doing that |
| 20:29.19 | anddam | is that grub2' |
| 20:29.21 | anddam | ? |
| 20:29.22 | fanny | The damn computer do take 30sec to boot x) |
| 20:29.35 | fanny | sure do |
| 20:29.43 | anddam | BIOS? |
| 20:29.52 | fanny | uefi |
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| 20:30.16 | teraflop | fanny: systemd-analyze blame. identify the delaying services and ask journalctl to about them |
| 20:30.17 | fanny | with the damn efi boot and the efi partition and all x) |
| 20:30.17 | anddam | loader could be the bootloader but I'm not sure how systemd could be aware of that |
| 20:30.30 | sideup66 | ill be back later |
| 20:30.31 | anddam | unless the bootloader itself logs the time and passes it |
| 20:30.33 | teraflop | About* |
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| 20:31.36 | fanny | that does not explains all here if I do systemd-analize there is just kernel and userspace, and thought I passed a grub. |
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| 20:32.27 | Remram | Hi, it seems that the network manager thing fails to provide me with a link-local address if autoconfiguration doesn't work |
| 20:32.31 | Remram | is that a known issue? |
| 20:32.45 | Remram | am I supposed to switch my interface from "automatic" to "link-local" every single time? |
| 20:33.13 | Remram | OS X and Windows do that right |
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| 20:33.55 | Remram | also it seems that the ethernet autonegotiation doesn't go right because it's super slow |
| 20:34.22 | fuuu | hi all. does somebody know how to configure the information which should be retrieved from DHCP server? e.g. like routing |
| 20:34.45 | Remram | I think the route is not set up correctly and it just transmits over wifi and back instead of using the wire |
| 20:34.53 | Remram | in short, very broken |
| 20:35.21 | anddam | fuuu:the information that should be retrieved? |
| 20:35.25 | fuuu | yes |
| 20:35.31 | anddam | I guess unless you specify those they'll be fetched |
| 20:35.38 | anddam | are you talking manualy interfaces setup? |
| 20:35.40 | anddam | manual* |
| 20:36.11 | anddam | like I have an interface using dhcp but then I specify dns-nameservers in the stana |
| 20:36.12 | fuuu | yes, i'd like to prevent my routing table getting altered by dhcp |
| 20:36.13 | anddam | stanza |
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| 20:36.36 | anddam | fuuu: I don't know if that's possible |
| 20:36.46 | anddam | somewhere you need to alter the table for the interface to be useful |
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| 20:37.31 | fuuu | okay.jpg |
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| 20:42.00 | teraflop | Remram: are you saying that because of the route not being set properly in a machine with a wired and wireless interface running at the same time both negotiating with the same router networkmanager is broken? |
| 20:43.17 | Remram | I plug a cable and don't get an address at all |
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| 20:43.36 | Remram | isn't avahi or something supposed to kick in? |
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| 20:43.56 | Remram | then I set my interface to link-local, and somehow it still doesn't install link-local routes properly |
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| 20:46.13 | Remram | what do I need to do to get basic link-local addressing to function correctly, the way it has on other major operating systems for 10 years? |
| 20:47.11 | teraflop | Avahi? Can you describe with more detail what are you doing there how many interfaces are involved if they use dhcp or fixed addresses etc etc? |
| 20:47.16 | Remram | I'm sure I could set a 169.254/16 address myself and then add routes for other machines I know are there, thanks, but that's not much of a solution |
| 20:47.27 | Remram | I just plugged one laptop into another |
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| 20:50.06 | teraflop | And don't you think is an important thing to be pointed at the very beginning of your message nor when I asked you Two times about what's going on there? |
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| 20:51.18 | Remram | I really didn't think the second interface was important at all |
| 20:51.51 | Remram | I didn't even consider that one laptop might be contacting the other via another interface than the one the IP is set on |
| 20:52.15 | Remram | I still cannot comprehend how that even happened |
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| 20:53.02 | teraflop | Remram: setup manually the adressing of the second interface in a different subnet. If you want to be persistent tell NM to do so |
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| 20:53.42 | Remram | they are different subnets, that's what's weird |
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| 20:54.22 | teraflop | Bring up the ifaces? |
| 20:54.33 | Remram | I rsync'd to 169.254.xxx and it went over the wireless interface where everyone is 192.168.1/24 |
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| 20:55.04 | teraflop | Remram: what's that 169.254 thing? |
| 20:55.41 | teraflop | It looks to me a no carrier issue unless you set it up manually |
| 20:55.47 | Remram | I think we'd better take this one step at a time, the fact that the laptop didn't get a 169.254 address automatically is already an issue |
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| 20:56.15 | Remram | isn't it supposed to setup link-local via avahi (or anything else, I don't know) since it's installed? |
| 20:56.22 | teraflop | Remram: check the cable please. Or bring up the ifaces |
| 20:56.33 | teraflop | And/or |
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| 21:27.44 | metabsd | Hi all |
| 21:28.01 | metabsd | https://packages.debian.org/jessie/fglrx-driver |
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| 21:28.22 | metabsd | Is available in stretch (debian testing?) |
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| 21:30.41 | ctmjr | metabsd: look at the web site again at the top under the word search |
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| 21:32.31 | Brigo | ,v fglrx-driver |
| 21:32.32 | judd | Package: fglrx-driver on amd64 -- squeeze/non-free: 1:10-9-3squeeze1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 1:12-3-1~bpo60+1; wheezy/non-free: 1:12-6+point-3; wheezy-backports/non-free: 1:14.9+ga14.201-2~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 1:14.9+ga14.201-2; sid/non-free: 1:14.9+ga14.201-2; experimental/non-free: 1:14.12-1 |
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| 21:33.01 | Brigo | metabsd, i think it isn't. |
| 21:33.32 | Brigo | metabsd, but version 14 is in experimental, so at some point it will reach testing. |
| 21:34.22 | metabsd | I use it for a year on testing but this morning i update and he delete it and my installastion of X is broken |
| 21:35.13 | ctmjr | Brigo: there is a conflict with judd and https://packages.debian.org/stretch/fglrx-driver |
| 21:35.16 | Brigo | metabsd, be careful upgrading testing :) |
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| 21:36.20 | metabsd | Not dist-upgrade... Just upgrade... |
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| 21:36.50 | metabsd | Debian support something replacing that package... |
| 21:37.00 | metabsd | In testing... |
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| 21:38.12 | kingsley | Do you agree that using a new solid state drive (SSD) to replace swap would be more a.) general purpose and b.) resilient to failure, than replacing a normal file system? |
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| 21:38.34 | Brigo | metabsd, are you using amd64 o i386? |
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| 21:39.20 | metabsd | Amd64 |
| 21:39.48 | Brigo | ,v fglrx-driver --arch amd64 |
| 21:39.49 | judd | Package: fglrx-driver on amd64 -- squeeze/non-free: 1:10-9-3squeeze1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 1:12-3-1~bpo60+1; wheezy/non-free: 1:12-6+point-3; wheezy-backports/non-free: 1:14.9+ga14.201-2~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 1:14.9+ga14.201-2; sid/non-free: 1:14.9+ga14.201-2; experimental/non-free: 1:14.12-1 |
| 21:40.25 | Brigo | metabsd, the driver is available in amd64, but not in i386 |
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| 21:40.45 | Brigo | metabsd, do you have the package installed? |
| 21:41.32 | metabsd | Apt-get install dont find fglrx-driver... |
| 21:41.44 | at0m | apt-cache search |
| 21:41.59 | metabsd | Ok i try -arch amd64 |
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| 21:44.52 | metabsd | I think something is wrong with the repo stretch and fglrx-driver |
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| 21:47.25 | JPT | what happened to amavis on debian jessie? |
| 21:47.46 | JPT | i am trying to figure out where the part from debian wheezy is, so i can debug it |
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| 21:51.50 | aerth | thank you ian and deborah |
| 21:52.15 | metabsd | Switching to arch linux seeya |
| 21:52.28 | aerth | have you tried archbang |
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| 21:58.31 | Asteriskk | is it possible to tell debian-installer to not pull in a package? I want to pass desktop=xfce to it at startup and I don't want to pull in pulseaudio with it. |
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| 22:02.02 | raccoon_ | kingsley: what are you trying to accomplish? better speed, better reliability, ...? |
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| 22:02.20 | kingsley | raccoon_: Thanks for asking. |
| 22:02.39 | raccoon_ | kingsley: and what do you mean by "swap" vs "normal file system"? |
| 22:02.51 | kingsley | I like both, but at the moment, speed is the most pressing issue. |
| 22:03.17 | raccoon_ | kingsley: how much are you using your swap? if you swap alot i would say buy more ram |
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| 22:03.22 | Mysterytrain | hmm I don't think my question got through. is it possible to tell debian-installer to ... hold a package? I want to pass desktop=xfce to it at startup, and I don't want to pull in pulseaudio with it. |
| 22:03.33 | raccoon_ | if you're not swapping alot, don't use a swap at all. |
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| 22:04.11 | kingsley | "swap" is a type of memory that is usually allows the computer to treat hard disc drives as extra RAM. |
| 22:04.38 | kingsley | A "normal file system" would be something like ext4. |
| 22:05.11 | raccoon_ | kingsley: yeah, i know... but the question does not make sense without knowing what you're after. |
| 22:05.18 | raccoon_ | kingsley: but now we know you mean speed. |
| 22:05.24 | raccoon_ | see my answer above |
| 22:06.16 | kingsley | Do you agree that if an application takes days to run, it's probably using swap? |
| 22:06.36 | raccoon_ | it depends on how much you're using your swap memory. if you're swapping alot your RAM is a bottleneck and should be increased if possible. |
| 22:06.48 | raccoon_ | run "free -m" to see how much you're swapping right now |
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| 22:07.35 | raccoon_ | i know lots of applications that can take days to run; however that's an issue depends on how long it *should* take, and what it's doing :-P |
| 22:07.51 | eschmidbauer_ | What is the recommended desktop for debian 8 |
| 22:07.59 | eschmidbauer_ | also, how do I start desktop from CLI? |
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| 22:08.17 | raccoon_ | scanning the entire internet public ip space with nmap normally takes a while and can't really be made fast by more RAM nor faster disks |
| 22:08.22 | raccoon_ | for example |
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| 22:08.45 | kingsley | For what it's worth, I did as you suggested, and ran "free -m". But I may owe you an apology for not explaining that the time consuming application isn't running now. |
| 22:09.16 | kingsley | raccoon_: Yes, I agree. |
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| 22:09.52 | abrotman | eschmidbauer_: whichever you'd like to use, and generally "startx" |
| 22:10.12 | kingsley | At least in my case, I don't think the application is bound by CPU or networking. |
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| 22:10.28 | eschmidbauer_ | abrotman, i am not partial to any desktop environment, i rarely use them with debian |
| 22:10.28 | raccoon_ | kingsley: you'd have to do a benchmark while running that particular application to know how to make it faster. use 'free -m' to check your swap usage. use 'iostat' to check disk I/O bottlenecks. run 'top' to check CPU usage |
| 22:11.09 | raccoon_ | compare the reports to how your system performs when not doing anything special, for example. that might give you a hint on what you can do to make that application run faster. |
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| 22:13.42 | eschmidbauer_ | xfce vs gnome? |
| 22:13.51 | eschmidbauer_ | Doesn't one work with systemd better? |
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| 22:17.12 | abrotman | eschmidbauer_: they should work the same .. |
| 22:17.21 | abrotman | i.e, they should work :) |
| 22:17.36 | eschmidbauer_ | Ok. i guess ill go with gnome |
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| 22:17.52 | awal1 | eshmidbauer_: I have both DE with systemd as init system and I have no problem. all fine and I don't see any difference. |
| 22:18.24 | eschmidbauer_ | ok, thanks. |
| 22:18.59 | awal1 | but in the web people with more knowledge argument that gnome have better integration with systemd for now then kde, xfce, etc. |
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| 22:19.37 | awal1 | how that "better integration"? so , no idea here :P :D |
| 22:19.50 | eschmidbauer_ | how do i install gnome |
| 22:20.09 | awal1 | apt-get update && apt-get install gnome |
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| 22:21.11 | eschmidbauer_ | 267kB/s = 59min to install gnome |
| 22:21.16 | eschmidbauer_ | damn yo |
| 22:21.44 | awal1 | !laugh at eschmidbauer_ |
| 22:21.44 | dpkg | HAHAHA! AH-HAHA! eschmidbauer_ just cracks me up! |
| 22:22.03 | eschmidbauer_ | :/ |
| 22:22.14 | eschmidbauer_ | Time Warner internet broadband. yay |
| 22:22.44 | eschmidbauer_ | is learning about hardware raid |
| 22:23.14 | eschmidbauer_ | have these to SATA drives connected to the raid controller. but can't find a management tool to check raid |
| 22:23.22 | abrotman | is it real raid? |
| 22:23.23 | eschmidbauer_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:23.38 | eschmidbauer_ | if by real, you mean hardware |
| 22:23.42 | eschmidbauer_ | yes |
| 22:23.48 | eschmidbauer_ | not software at all |
| 22:24.12 | abrotman | And you're sure it's not fake hwraid? |
| 22:24.21 | abrotman | dpkg:tell eschmidbauer_ about fakeraid |
| 22:24.35 | eschmidbauer_ | how can i be sure. it's an LSI PCIe card |
| 22:24.42 | eschmidbauer_ | with 2 SATA drives connected to it |
| 22:25.52 | eschmidbauer_ | this server has 'on-board' raid but only supports windows, so I had to buy an LSI card for hwardware or do software raid |
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| 22:27.29 | anddam | !fakeraid |
| 22:27.29 | dpkg | Fakeraid is a term used for controller cards that advertise RAID functionality that is NOT supported by a hardware chip for parity. Most of these have only a BIOS. For use with Debian systems, it is suggested that you do not set a RAID in the BIOS and don't use dmraid, just use regular software RAID instead; ask me about <md>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataRaid |
| 22:28.08 | anddam | how does a controller "have a BIOS"? |
| 22:28.23 | eschmidbauer_ | like an interface when it boots? |
| 22:28.36 | eschmidbauer_ | CTRL + C to enter interface |
| 22:28.39 | anddam | does a controller boot? |
| 22:28.42 | SynrGy | yes |
| 22:28.53 | eschmidbauer_ | it boots |
| 22:29.02 | linuxthefish | what does "allow-hotplug" mean in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 22:29.02 | abrotman | anddam: please msg the bot |
| 22:29.25 | eschmidbauer_ | "NOT supported by a hardware chip for parity." <--- what hardware chip? the one on the PCIe card? |
| 22:29.26 | abrotman | linuxthefish: man 5 interfaces |
| 22:29.30 | anddam | abrotman: do you mean rather than pulling a factoid in chan or are you referring to some specific topic? |
| 22:29.44 | abrotman | anddam: yes, I'd already told him. |
| 22:29.49 | abrotman | anddam: if oyu need to read it, msg the bot |
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| 22:30.15 | eschmidbauer_ | so if this is fakraid, i might as well have just gone with software raid anyway |
| 22:30.29 | eschmidbauer_ | http://www.lsi.com/support/pages/download-results.aspx?keyword=SAS3041E-R |
| 22:30.32 | eschmidbauer_ | that is the card |
| 22:30.44 | abrotman | looks |
| 22:30.48 | eschmidbauer_ | supposedly (i bought it on ebay used) |
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| 22:31.02 | eschmidbauer_ | perhaps i can identify the hardware using lspci |
| 22:31.20 | Roland- | hey there, where can O get wheezy netinst ? |
| 22:31.22 | Roland- | I* |
| 22:31.29 | teraflop | lolfakeraid |
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| 22:33.12 | eschmidbauer_ | :/ |
| 22:33.16 | eschmidbauer_ | teraflop, how can you tell |
| 22:33.19 | abrotman | Roland-: the website still has installers for wheezy |
| 22:33.50 | abrotman | eschmidbauer_: that's a real HW Raid card |
| 22:33.52 | abrotman | RAID |
| 22:34.14 | abrotman | AFAICT anyway |
| 22:34.39 | eschmidbauer_ | yeah |
| 22:34.43 | eschmidbauer_ | that's what i thought |
| 22:34.53 | abrotman | it was just a caution |
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| 22:35.31 | Roland- | abrotman I cannot find those isos |
| 22:35.37 | Roland- | all poiting to 8.0 |
| 22:35.41 | eschmidbauer_ | What are good hw raid mgmt tools |
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| 22:36.46 | abrotman | Roland-: did oyu look for 'oldstable' ? |
| 22:37.15 | abrotman | Roland-: which country are you in? |
| 22:37.18 | teraflop | eschmidbauer_: my lol was for the fakeraid itself not for whatever card are you using |
| 22:37.26 | Roland- | nvm found it. |
| 22:37.31 | eschmidbauer_ | oh ok |
| 22:37.31 | Roland- | thank you |
| 22:37.31 | abrotman | eschmidbauer_: controller dependent |
| 22:37.37 | abrotman | Roland-: okay, good luck |
| 22:37.50 | eschmidbauer_ | yeah- i install the 'megaraid' software provided by lsi |
| 22:37.56 | eschmidbauer_ | but i think i need a desktop to use it |
| 22:38.03 | eschmidbauer_ | which is why im install gnome |
| 22:38.54 | abrotman | Doubtful |
| 22:39.04 | phix | sup abrotman ? |
| 22:39.06 | abrotman | that'd be a very poor raid utility if it required Xorg |
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| 22:39.26 | droid909 | there is no server edition? |
| 22:39.41 | droid909 | how long does a version supported? |
| 22:39.53 | abrotman | no, there's only one download |
| 22:39.59 | phix | droid909: up to 5 years, as that is how long it usually takes to release the next one |
| 22:40.02 | teraflop | droid909: this is not ubuntu (about the server edition) |
| 22:40.03 | abrotman | droid909: and that depends on the timing of the next release generally |
| 22:40.07 | abrotman | phix: stop making things up |
| 22:40.21 | eschmidbauer_ | http://paste.debian.net/178482/ |
| 22:40.30 | droid909 | thank you guys |
| 22:40.30 | phix | abrotman: At least 5 years between WHeezy and Jessie |
| 22:40.31 | abrotman | droid909: generally, a release is "stable" for about two years, and it's supported for about a year after the following stable release |
| 22:40.34 | eschmidbauer_ | that's what happens when i try to start the megaraid software |
| 22:40.36 | abrotman | phix: no, not even close |
| 22:40.41 | abrotman | phix: again, stop making things up |
| 22:40.48 | phix | abrotman: how long was it then? |
| 22:40.53 | abrotman | !release histry |
| 22:40.56 | abrotman | !release history |
| 22:40.56 | dpkg | Debian releases are named after "Toy Story" characters. Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14), Squeeze(6.0; 2011-02-06), Wheezy(7; 2013-05-04), Jessie(8; 2015-04-25). The next release will be Stretch. http://deb.li/it56U |
| 22:41.01 | abrotman | two years, like I said |
| 22:41.10 | phix | I feelsd like 5 |
| 22:41.12 | eschmidbauer_ | also looks like this software was made for RHEL |
| 22:41.26 | phix | It feels like 5* |
| 22:41.58 | abrotman | the longest release wsa sarge, for a few reasons |
| 22:42.05 | abrotman | or rather, release preparation |
| 22:42.06 | eschmidbauer_ | http://paste.debian.net/178493/ |
| 22:42.12 | eschmidbauer_ | another error trying to start UI |
| 22:42.18 | eschmidbauer_ | that one mentions X11 |
| 22:42.28 | phix | abrotman: yeah I thought sarge took a while to get released, I think that is when I started to explore Ubuntu |
| 22:42.31 | abrotman | eschmidbauer_: what are the other binaries in that directory? |
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| 22:43.43 | eschmidbauer_ | http://paste.debian.net/178499/ |
| 22:44.34 | abrotman | eschmidbauer_: starthelp.sh ? |
| 22:45.13 | eschmidbauer_ | ./starthelp.sh: 2: .: Can't open /etc/init.d/msm_profile |
| 22:45.16 | abrotman | cute |
| 22:45.21 | eschmidbauer_ | it keeps complaining about msm_profile |
| 22:45.22 | eschmidbauer_ | what is that |
| 22:47.41 | abrotman | seems like the one you want is megacli .. but I don't see it there |
| 22:49.03 | eschmidbauer_ | i had to convert the rpm to a deb with alien |
| 22:49.10 | eschmidbauer_ | then install |
| 22:50.46 | eschmidbauer_ | i would have to have to run CentOS on this bitch |
| 22:50.56 | eschmidbauer_ | which i don't want to do |
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| 22:52.59 | joldy | you don't need to install CentOS to convert rpm to deb |
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| 22:54.11 | eschmidbauer_ | no i know |
| 22:54.17 | eschmidbauer_ | i used alien to do it |
| 22:55.01 | eschmidbauer_ | how do you list a .deb packages files? |
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| 22:58.09 | abrotman | eschmidbauer_: dpkg -L foo.deb |
| 22:58.13 | abrotman | wait .. |
| 22:58.31 | phix | scratches abrotman's head |
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| 22:58.50 | abrotman | that's not right |
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| 23:35.22 | awal1 | so how to make openbox go from workspace 4 to 1 using the standard ctrl+alt+left? |
| 23:36.03 | awal1 | scrolling with middle mouse button in desktop I can go from virtual desktop 4 to 1 and from 1 to 4 but ctrl+alt+left NOT. I dont know if it's openbox config or tint2 panel related |
| 23:36.31 | awal1 | any clue? |
| 23:37.39 | hiexpo | hola |
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| 23:40.04 | Doyle | Here's a frustration. There's no way to join a hidden wireless network in wheezy. network-manager-gnome is installed. |
| 23:40.07 | Doyle | What' |
| 23:40.11 | Doyle | What's the quick fix? |
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| 23:40.57 | nkuttler | awal1: check their documentation wiki, or #openbox |
| 23:41.27 | nkuttler | awal1: or your ~/.config/openbox/rc.xml if that gets created by default |
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| 23:50.20 | awal1 | nkuttler: have checked all that yet but no found a solution. |
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| 23:54.23 | awal1 | almost all WM's support "Control+Alt+left key" for go from workspace 1 to 4 and ctrl+alt+right key for go from workspace 4 to 1 but I dont get it with openbox. scrolling with middle mouse button up/down it works but no using keyboard . |
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| 23:55.16 | SynrGy | awal1: you can map any keys you want to do whatever you want in openbox |
| 23:55.49 | SynrGy | incidentally, i'm on lxde and have ctrl-alt-left and right to switch between workspaces. |
| 23:57.47 | SynrGy | an excerpt from /etc/xdg/openbox/rc.xml: |
| 23:57.51 | SynrGy | http://paste.debian.net/178520/ |
| 23:58.00 | awal1 | SynrGy: yeah in rc.xml iI have and I use 'super+F1,F2,F3...' to change workspaces but It won't work with 'ctrl+alt+right/left key'. |
| 23:59.15 | awal1 | SynrGy: can you go from workspace tell 4 to 1 with ctrl+alt+right or from 1 to 4 with ctrl+alt+left? |
| 23:59.22 | SynrGy | awal1: and /etc/xdg/openbox/LXDE/rc.xml is similar |
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| 23:59.32 | SynrGy | no. it ends there |
| 23:59.37 | SynrGy | makes sense to me |
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