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| 00:00.34 | awal1 | SynrGy: ok I'll check you r.xml , maybe I learn more stuffs I haven't here :P |
| 00:00.37 | SynrGy | awal1: notice it says 'wrap'? |
| 00:00.43 | SynrGy | yeah |
| 00:00.55 | SynrGy | it's all configurable. it's just the default behaviour is to not wrap |
| 00:00.56 | awal1 | SynrGy: yeah |
| 00:00.57 | awal1 | so? |
| 00:01.07 | SynrGy | so it sounds like you want 'yes' |
| 00:01.35 | SynrGy | i think wrapping is annoying, so i'm happy with the default |
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| 00:03.10 | awal1 | SynrGy: ok, ok. so I must put 'yes' where '<wrap>no</wrap'? ---> wrap>yes</wrap? |
| 00:04.39 | SynrGy | i'm guessing |
| 00:06.09 | SynrGy | awal1: http://openbox.org/wiki/Help:Actions#GoToDesktop |
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| 00:06.59 | SynrGy | awal1: openbox has much more complete doc on their wiki than is included in the package itself |
| 00:08.04 | awal1 | SynrGy: good. thanks for the link. I was around there before but I missed the explanation. Ok so I'll have just to change 'no' by yes after 'wrap'. Thanks a lot. problem solved :) |
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| 00:10.28 | SynrGy | np |
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| 01:28.43 | CHVNX | I have an odd question, that might not be reelevant to this channel. Has anyone else had trouibles with the video game Battle For Westhnoth? My mouse doesn't work in-game. Clicking is impossible, but using the keyboard seems to work. |
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| 01:33.00 | srg | CHVNX: is that in the repos? |
| 01:33.34 | Brigo | srg, yes. |
| 01:33.46 | abrotman | CHVNX: which versoin of Linux? |
| 01:33.49 | Brigo | srg, yes |
| 01:34.03 | Brigo | ,bug Westhnoth |
| 01:34.04 | judd | No bugs were found in package Westhnoth. |
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| 01:34.36 | CHVNX | Battle for Wesnoth v1.12.2 |
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| 01:35.03 | CHVNX | Testing. |
| 01:35.04 | Brigo | ,bug wesnoth-1.12 |
| 01:35.05 | judd | No bugs were found in package wesnoth-1.12. |
| 01:35.18 | Brigo | ,bug wesnoth-1.10 |
| 01:35.19 | judd | Bug summary for package wesnoth-1.10: RM: #783677 |
| 01:35.23 | CHVNX | Oh, I already check for bug logs and whatnot. That's why I asked here. |
| 01:35.34 | Brigo | ,bug #783677 |
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| 01:35.36 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/783677 in ftp.debian.org (closed): «RM: wesnoth-1.10 -- ROM; obsolete, replaced with wesnoth-1.12»; severity: normal; opened: 2015-04-29; last modified: 2015-04-30. |
| 01:36.24 | CHVNX | Not relevant. |
| 01:36.44 | Brigo | right |
| 01:37.02 | abrotman | for a few reasons |
| 01:37.12 | abrotman | CHVNX: have you tried reaching out to the maintainer? |
| 01:37.21 | abrotman | or tried as a new user? or a different DE? |
| 01:37.57 | CHVNX | abrotman: I highly doubt it has anything to do with the window manager/environemnt I am using. |
| 01:38.00 | Doyle | Hey. When installing Wheezy, it doesn't detect the windows partition. What's going on? |
| 01:38.07 | CHVNX | Nor is it a problem of users or permissions. |
| 01:38.41 | abrotman | there is a #wesnoth |
| 01:38.50 | CHVNX | Doyle: The bootloader finds your Windows systems and will install Debian beside it instead of on it, unless you tell it otherwise. Correct me if I am wrong, humans. |
| 01:39.21 | Doyle | In the partitioning section of the install it shows the entire disk as FREE SPACE |
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| 01:39.40 | CHVNX | Free space is disk space that is unallocated. |
| 01:39.45 | abrotman | Doyle: is os-prober installed? |
| 01:39.46 | Doyle | I've tried it with UEFI enabled/disabled, and with disks setup as IDE and ACHI |
| 01:39.48 | CHVNX | A partition or whole disk. |
| 01:40.09 | Doyle | Shows SCSI1, the entire disk as FREE SPACE |
| 01:40.14 | CHVNX | Doyle: Instead of focusing on your rather specific question, could you please tell us what you're trying to do, exactly? |
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| 01:40.27 | CHVNX | There might be a better way to go about it. |
| 01:40.33 | ex-parrot | can anyone recommend a sane mechanism to get libgstreamer0.10-ffmpeg or -libav working on jessie? |
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| 01:40.52 | Brigo | ex-parrot, debian-multimedia, i think |
| 01:40.55 | themill | Doyle: are you sure you're looking at the right drive? |
| 01:41.07 | themill | Brigo: no... |
| 01:41.19 | Doyle | It's a laptop. There are 2 drives, the sata (sda), and the USB drive, which is 8GB |
| 01:41.19 | themill | ex-parrot: you'd need to define what you mean by "not working". |
| 01:41.31 | ex-parrot | the package doesn't exist in jessie, and the wheezy and sid source packages don't build |
| 01:41.50 | CHVNX | ex-parrot: pat-cache search libgstreamer0.10-ffmpeg <-- if that finds the package, install it with: apt-get install name_of_package |
| 01:41.56 | CHVNX | apt-cache* |
| 01:42.00 | ex-parrot | that is the least useful advice CHVNX |
| 01:42.05 | themill | ex-parrot: you'd probably be looking for gstreamer1.0-libav |
| 01:42.17 | ex-parrot | the problem is themill, clementine links against gstreamer0.10 still in jessie |
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| 01:42.35 | Doyle | If I let it automatically partition the free space, the preview before commit shows that SCSI1:2 is 247GB ext4 / |
| 01:42.36 | CHVNX | ex-parrot: Thanks for the ultra-specific, wholly understandsbale question that doesn't require reading your mind to answer. |
| 01:42.39 | Doyle | It's going to blow up windows |
| 01:43.00 | ex-parrot | CHVNX: did you miss where I said the package isn't available? |
| 01:43.16 | ex-parrot | you didn't even check before giving me wholly unhelpful generic advice on how to install a package |
| 01:43.37 | ex-parrot | sorry, I'm being grumpier than is required |
| 01:43.54 | CHVNX | You are, and it's okay. Not everyone is perfect. |
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| 01:44.14 | CHVNX | But, not that I have the answer to your question, I don;t feel like sharing it. |
| 01:44.17 | CHVNX | now* |
| 01:44.28 | CHVNX | Good luck. It's only a google away. |
| 01:44.36 | ex-parrot | I suspect you don't have a reasonable answer |
| 01:44.39 | ex-parrot | based on what you've already told me |
| 01:44.46 | CHVNX | You'll do many things, I suspect. |
| 01:44.58 | themill | CHVNX: that's enough, thanks. |
| 01:45.17 | CHVNX | themill: I think you're talkimg to the wrong person in this dialogue. |
| 01:45.22 | themill | I'm not |
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| 01:46.40 | CHVNX | I was berated for not providing the proper kind of reply by someomne who admittedly said they were being grumpy. I'm not certain I've done anything wrong, so I don't see your reasoning for even highlighting my nick. |
| 01:46.57 | Doyle | This is driving me nuts. I've setup dual booting on this laptop in the past without any issue. I should be seeing the NTFS partitions |
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| 01:47.15 | themill | CHVNX: no, you're being difficult and unhelpful. Again. |
| 01:47.27 | ex-parrot | I thought there might be a semi-official stop-gap for getting it to work, since I imagine quite a few people will still need ffmpeg/libav support in stuff that links gstreamer0.10 |
| 01:47.57 | CHVNX | themill: I think we're reading different channels. I'm obviously here to help users. But, since that seems to be unwanted, I think I'll refrain. You're welcome. |
| 01:48.41 | themill | You've not provided any help yet and done your best to annoy everyone you've interacted with, so that would be an improvement. Thanks. |
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| 01:49.22 | ex-parrot | I knew I should have just gone out and bought this CD then ripped it myself :) |
| 01:51.23 | CHVNX | themill: I'm genuinely sorry if I caused any trouble. I'm just here to help. Sorry. |
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| 01:55.10 | themill | ex-parrot: it looks like gstreamer0.1-ffmpeg is a bit of a dead end -- doesn't compile any more. Everyone's working hard to get rid of gstreamer0.1 support not make more things work with it |
| 01:55.20 | CHVNX | I only asked a question about Wesnoth, and then tried to help Doyle with his Windows problem, and then ex-parrot replied to me with a snide remark because I was typing whilst he was typing. |
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| 01:55.52 | CHVNX | And my reply didn't make sense in light of his reply. I dont know why you're centering me out as some sort of trouble maker |
| 01:57.00 | Doyle | os-prober is part of the install operations for grub, right? In the past it's always worked fine. Even when UEFI was new and fancy, I didnt' encounter any issues. :/ |
| 01:57.38 | themill | Doyle: os-prober etc is way later than this. This is the partioning tools not seeing a valid partition table on the drive |
| 01:58.38 | Doyle | While in live, fdisk is able to see sda1/sda2 as NTFS |
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| 01:59.09 | nkuttler | CHVNX: just move on. meta discussions don't help either |
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| 02:00.00 | CHVNX | nkuttler: I agree, but I'm just sick and tired of epople walking all over me for no reason. I'll leave the channel now. Sorry for the trouble. |
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| 02:01.12 | Doyle | Ohhhh. Look |
| 02:01.16 | Doyle | launching gparted gives me |
| 02:01.51 | Doyle | /dev/sda containts GPT signatures, i ndicating that it has a GPT table. However, it does not have a valid fake msdos partition table, as it should. Perhaps it was corrupted -- |
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| 02:03.10 | Doyle | Yea... create new ms-dos partition table. No issues. |
| 02:03.27 | Doyle | Ohh yes! Don't even care that windows is gone. |
| 02:03.36 | Doyle | It's a DIE IN FIRE kind of night |
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| 02:15.34 | sideup66 | thanks everyone for the help earlier :) |
| 02:15.41 | sideup66 | im getting closer to my desktop being back to normal :) |
| 02:16.48 | sideup66 | though i have a question in the xfce desktop, i can't for the life of me figure out how to make xterm remember custom settings |
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| 02:17.43 | somiaj | sideup66: use .Xdefaults, and read the man page on the differnt defaults to use |
| 02:18.01 | somiaj | sideup66: so man xterm and man xrdb |
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| 02:18.58 | sideup66 | somiaj what i found odd though is that my home folder does not have a .Xdefaults in it? |
| 02:19.06 | sideup66 | and yes, i looked in hidden |
| 02:19.56 | lowy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:20.57 | somiaj | sideup66: then create one |
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| 02:21.30 | somiaj | sideup66: some people use .Xresources, I don't know if there is a different. I manually tell my window manager to load .Xdefaults with xrdb when it loads for settings for xterm and various other apps that use that |
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| 02:22.53 | somiaj | sideup66: still think you are going though an awfully lot of work to get xorg working on a server. (: |
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| 02:24.19 | sideup66 | somiaj it was a bit easier when i had gnome as some of these options were set properly already |
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| 02:25.21 | sideup66 | somiaj ive gotten it to a useable point, its not perfect, but things are useable, following the advice here i purged the system of gnome and installed xfce which i will admit runs a bit faster but still requires some tweaking to get things dialed in |
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| 02:30.39 | lowy | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:33.55 | somiaj | lowy: could ti be that mirror isn't mirring jessie-backports? |
| 02:34.06 | abrotman | or it's out of sync |
| 02:34.19 | abrotman | lowy: in other words, try another mirror |
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| 02:37.24 | lowy | ok that`s del jessie-backports |
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| 02:53.58 | sideup66 | wow somiaj installing the debian goodies package actually fixed my terminal woes :) |
| 02:54.07 | sideup66 | gave me somthing a bit more friendly than uxterm |
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| 02:56.04 | somiaj | I like xterm, but my needs are very simple. I'm using a window manager that hasn't changed much in 10+ years |
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| 02:57.46 | sideup66 | somiaj yeah, i am liking it honestly for its lightness, and the spartan graphics dont concern me, its not somthing i plan on looking at much, but there are some instances in managing this thing where a desktop honestly makes sense |
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| 02:58.18 | somiaj | sideup66: why not manage it over ssh from a desktop you like. (: |
| 02:59.15 | sideup66 | somiaj i do that as well, also this machine was really my first big linux project, so i keep some creature comforts from gui around so if i feel too overwhelmed i have a fallback, but do use the cli as much as possible to learn |
| 02:59.43 | sideup66 | or sometimes having to do things from 1+ hour away lol, so ssh comes in handy |
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| 03:03.41 | sideup66 | also, what i can't find in here, is networkmanager, i dont know where it went, but debian claims its installed |
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| 03:06.40 | yurikoles | networkmanager is commandline |
| 03:06.54 | yurikoles | maybe you need to install gui for it? |
| 03:06.56 | sideup66 | oh |
| 03:07.03 | sideup66 | yeah, that is what i wanted =\ |
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| 03:12.27 | JohnnyL | What debian package is the file for #include <qtgui> in? |
| 03:12.51 | yurikoles | apt-file search qtgui? |
| 03:14.29 | yurikoles | qt4-dev-tools ? |
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| 03:15.12 | JohnnyL | yurikoles: trying now. |
| 03:15.31 | JohnnyL | funny, i had all these qt*-devs installed but not *that* one! :) |
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| 03:16.10 | JohnnyL | yurikoles: nope. thats not it. |
| 03:16.16 | yurikoles | libqt4-dev |
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| 03:16.43 | JohnnyL | http://pastie.org/10192777 |
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| 03:18.11 | yurikoles | also |
| 03:18.22 | yurikoles | apt-file search QtGui |
| 03:18.28 | yurikoles | with capital letters |
| 03:18.44 | yurikoles | it's unix, man, it's case sensative |
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| 03:23.04 | JohnnyL | wow, no ,no and no. |
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| 03:29.21 | yurikoles | just try to build-dep some qt-based package |
| 03:30.27 | jeeves_moss | I'm having some issues with "ldattach pps /dev/pps1". I can't seem to get it to latch |
| 03:31.32 | yurikoles | http://pastebin.com/BvR0sYZs |
| 03:31.59 | yurikoles | libqt4-dev for qt4 and qtbase5-dev for qt5 |
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| 03:38.29 | Se7enElv1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:44.51 | Nautilus | if I apt-get install a package that's already installed, that's ok, right? |
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| 03:45.15 | dvs | sure |
| 03:45.27 | Nautilus | cool, just sanity checking |
| 03:45.50 | JohnnyL | yurikoles: all at neweset. |
| 03:47.04 | lyonsb | That moment of sheer panick when you look at your disk usage output, see that the disk capacity has gone up by several hundred megabytes, and ZFS is asking you to do all that config stuff again . . . |
| 03:47.15 | lyonsb | ZSH even. |
| 03:48.06 | lyonsb | and you wonder "What blew up?" so you check df -h, and find . . . yes, in fact, you modified /etc/fstab to mount your backup on reboot, forgot about it, and never rebooted . . . |
| 03:48.19 | lyonsb | before changing all your configs. |
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| 03:51.55 | ex-parrot | themill: yeah looks like it. might just run wheezy clementine in a chroot for now |
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| 03:54.03 | yurikoles | you need to include <qt4/QtGu/QtGui> |
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| 03:55.57 | JohnnyL | well? |
| 03:56.56 | yurikoles | then it will say you need QtCore |
| 03:57.58 | yurikoles | maybe you need to manipualte -I flag |
| 03:58.44 | yurikoles | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:58.53 | yurikoles | this is the solution |
| 03:58.58 | yurikoles | change the makefile |
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| 03:59.10 | yurikoles | it's a flag for gcc |
| 04:02.03 | JohnnyL | ok |
| 04:02.54 | yurikoles | did you tried sudo apt-get build-dep mame ? |
| 04:03.16 | JohnnyL | hey i got farther! |
| 04:03.21 | JohnnyL | no |
| 04:03.33 | yurikoles | are you building mame? |
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| 04:04.17 | JohnnyL | yes |
| 04:04.56 | JohnnyL | building sdl_ttf atm |
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| 04:05.59 | JohnnyL | building mame |
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| 04:07.27 | JohnnyL | weird how it just started working. |
| 04:07.35 | JohnnyL | i think i needed to touch the makefile. |
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| 04:11.58 | shifty779 | would somebody make this do what I mean? "echo hi | read me ; echo $me" |
| 04:13.15 | somiaj | shifty779: me=hi; echo $me -- though what is it you are really trying to do? |
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| 04:15.49 | shifty779 | somiaj: cat a bunch of temperatures in /sys/class/thermal/... through xargs and turn them into $variables |
| 04:16.38 | somiaj | shifty779: why not just use lm-sensors? |
| 04:16.53 | shifty779 | somiaj: indeed i could |
| 04:17.03 | somiaj | shifty779: you could od variable=`command`, and the variable would become the output of the command, though you may want to use something like awk or a programing langauge to parse the output |
| 04:17.19 | somiaj | shifty779: me=`echo hi`; echo $me |
| 04:18.16 | shifty779 | somiaj: I'm only interested in getting standard out read into variables. (not that your suggestions aren't excellent) |
| 04:18.50 | somiaj | shifty779: I still smell an x-y problem, and there may be better solutions than the method you are using. |
| 04:20.55 | somiaj | shifty779: read -e me |
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| 04:24.35 | joegiampaoli | I see that mp3gain has been removed from Jessie and seems it will no longer be supported in Debian, I was able to download and install it from Wheezy, does anyone know of a similar good enough alternative in a non destructive mode as mp3gain works? |
| 04:26.11 | somiaj | joegiampaoli: what does mp3gain do? |
| 04:26.37 | shay_shay | joegiampaoli: if you want to avoid any dependency problems you might consider building it from source. instead of putting "deb" for wheezy in your sources.list, change it to a deb-src and "apt-get build-dep mp3gain && apt-get source -b mp3gain" |
| 04:27.06 | somiaj | ,v mp3gain |
| 04:27.07 | judd | Package: mp3gain on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.5.1-4; wheezy: 1.5.2-r2-2+deb7u1 |
| 04:27.21 | shifty779 | maybe a re-phrase in in order. "echo hi | read me ; echo $me" does not do what I expect, but "read me ; echo $me", does - after typing something. why doesn't the first version gobble stdout? |
| 04:28.13 | joegiampaoli | somiaj, it evaluates the gain of mp3's and you can have the same normalized volume on all of them, but without affecting the real audio, just does it by the id3tag |
| 04:28.29 | somiaj | joegiampaoli: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=761847 |
| 04:28.30 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/761847 in ftp.debian.org (closed): «RM: mp3gain -- ROM; dead upstream, probably insecure»; severity: normal; opened: 2014-09-16; last modified: 2014-10-17. |
| 04:28.46 | somiaj | joegiampaoli: according to the bug that removed it, python-rgain is a better alternative |
| 04:29.22 | joegiampaoli | somiaj: Ah! I see that, I'll try that |
| 04:30.04 | joegiampaoli | shay_shay: no dependency problems, was just able to download that specific package and install it, no tinkering in my sources |
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| 04:31.45 | shay_shay | dependency problems sometimes creep up months later |
| 04:32.59 | joegiampaoli | shay_shay: Yes of course, I will give your suggestion a go, thanks! |
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| 04:33.31 | shay_shay | joegiampaoli: well, somiaj's was better for this example. but in general it is safer to build than to mix releases |
| 04:34.43 | joegiampaoli | shay_shay: Actually yes, because sooner or later I'll have to use something else! :) |
| 04:35.12 | joegiampaoli | somiaj: Thanks! |
| 04:35.33 | somiaj | for simple binaries that have >= depends, I don't see much issue with installing the binary from a previous release. Worse that will happen is the binary breaks when the libs update. |
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| 04:35.52 | shifty779 | sounds like the alternative software is an improvement. "probably insecure" is a worry - one wonders how badly a program can stuff up a simple alteration to a binary file format? |
| 04:36.02 | somiaj | now if they have = depends, or a must be between this version adn this version, they will keep upgrades from happening which can be a pain. |
| 04:37.18 | shay_shay | somiaj: true, but by the time i gather enough information to make an informed decision i could have finished building it already :P |
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| 04:43.07 | JohnnyL | yurikoles: still compiling!!! |
| 04:43.17 | yurikoles | nice |
| 04:43.22 | yurikoles | good luck |
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| 05:46.33 | ianGuest | hi |
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| 05:48.13 | ianGuest | I have this Debian computer and Gnome installed NetworkManager. I want the default network configuration, with the usual /etc/udev/rules.d/persistent_rules. How to reconfigure network like when Debian is installed? |
| 05:48.20 | ianGuest | dpkg... something ? |
| 05:49.01 | somiaj | ianGuest: what do you mean? when debian is installed it just puts info in /etc/network/interfaces and uses that to configure the network with the ifup/ifdown commands. |
| 05:49.14 | somiaj | ianGuest: but if you are using network-manager why do you want to rever to using /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 05:49.56 | somiaj | ianGuest: all the file you mentioned does is give a presistant name to the interface, it dones't do any configuration of the itnerface what so ever. |
| 05:50.48 | ianGuest | somiaj, I see. Why i dont have anything under /etc/rules.d/ in regard networking? This is a virtualbox VM. Its my son computer and he asking me to configure stuff. We decided we want the usual configuration back instead of network-manager |
| 05:50.52 | ianGuest | somiaj, ok |
| 05:51.26 | somiaj | ianGuest: man 5 interfaces |
| 05:51.30 | ianGuest | somiaj, if i just configure /etc/network/interfaces and tell network-manager to not manage the interface, it should work? |
| 05:51.33 | ianGuest | alright |
| 05:51.33 | somiaj | ianGuest: or check the debian wiki on network configuration |
| 05:51.45 | ianGuest | thanks |
| 05:51.57 | somiaj | ianGuest: network-manager will ignore anything mentioned in the interfaces file, but if you are not going to use it, disable it. with systemd it is 'systemctl disable network-manager.service' |
| 05:53.13 | ianGuest | somiaj, alright. Thanks |
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| 06:19.40 | Doyle | I love KDE. I'll never stray again. For years I keep coming back to it only because Gnome sucks at handling hidden wifi networks. |
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| 06:46.45 | tr00p | Is changing kernel from x86 to x64 dafe? |
| 06:46.48 | tr00p | safe8 |
| 06:47.20 | tr00p | Or is there any way to do it by apt-get or something like this? |
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| 06:49.22 | themill | you can install an amd64 kernel -- that does not convert your i386 installation to amd64, however. |
| 06:49.23 | GPenguin | it will pull in almost the entire system as architecture |
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| 06:49.34 | themill | no |
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| 06:50.01 | tr00p | oh, so is there any way to convert package from amd64 to 686? |
| 06:50.14 | themill | tr00p: what are you really trying to achieve here? |
| 06:50.26 | yurikoles | get list of packages and reinstall them as new system |
| 06:50.28 | yurikoles | google it |
| 06:50.29 | tr00p | I want to install spotify |
| 06:50.38 | yurikoles | no way |
| 06:50.42 | yurikoles | but |
| 06:51.06 | yurikoles | it is possible to install amd64 kernel and then the debian in chroot |
| 06:51.08 | tr00p | It works on wine |
| 06:51.17 | yurikoles | but it's sounds silly |
| 06:51.36 | yurikoles | ask spotify support for x86 build |
| 06:51.43 | tr00p | yurikoles: But it's risky, isnt't it? |
| 06:51.48 | yurikoles | or RMS fro GPLv3 version |
| 06:51.51 | yurikoles | yes |
| 06:51.55 | tr00p | yurikoles: Ok, i'll give a try |
| 06:52.02 | tr00p | thanks |
| 06:52.10 | yurikoles | but if you have a separate /home |
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| 06:52.15 | yurikoles | it's very easy |
| 06:52.17 | yurikoles | to reinstall |
| 06:52.22 | themill | !enter |
| 06:52.22 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 06:52.34 | yurikoles | just try it in virtualbox |
| 06:52.42 | yurikoles | sorry, themill |
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| 06:52.55 | themill | tr00p: you *should* be able to get that to work by installing an amd64 kernel and then enable amd64 as a foreign arch. |
| 06:53.40 | tr00p | themill: I'll write to spotify, maybe they have a x86 build |
| 06:53.47 | tr00p | Thanks forhelp |
| 06:54.48 | yurikoles | no, they don't |
| 06:55.03 | yurikoles | you are not first with this issue |
| 06:55.22 | yurikoles | the same thing with viber |
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| 06:55.53 | tr00p | nah |
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| 06:57.38 | yurikoles | !freedome |
| 06:57.44 | yurikoles | !freedom |
| 06:57.45 | dpkg | well, freedom is the ultimate virtue. Without freedom we are no better than any other animal. I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees. |
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| 06:57.54 | dprc | tr00p: plenty of torrent clients in repos; artist gets paid the same either way |
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| 06:58.34 | tr00p | ok, but i have a lot of music on spotify, and it's easier to discover new music here |
| 06:59.12 | tr00p | and 90% of bands i listen to don't exist, so it's not a problem |
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| 06:59.40 | yurikoles | why don't you use the website? |
| 07:00.09 | tr00p | It works on wine, i was going to reinstall system anyway |
| 07:00.28 | dprc | there also is jamendo; libre.fm etc; have clients for both in repo |
| 07:01.03 | yurikoles | tr00p: installation of amd64 build is very good idea nowadays anyway |
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| 07:01.25 | yurikoles | it has more optimizations enabled by default, and so on |
| 07:01.43 | dprc | tr00p: IIRC, clementine and amarok have spotify support |
| 07:02.19 | yurikoles | more and more disros are dropping x86, for example there is no build of ubuntu server amd64 cd of recent releases, just minicd.ios |
| 07:02.38 | tr00p | yay |
| 07:02.56 | tr00p | clementine seems to be very useful |
| 07:03.16 | dprc | yeah use that if on GTK based install; Amarok for KDE |
| 07:03.24 | tr00p | Ok, thank you! |
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| 07:06.04 | hiexpo | / |
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| 07:12.47 | hiexpo | kool |
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| 07:14.51 | yurikoles | It looks like your card is from a non-Spotify country. |
| 07:14.59 | yurikoles | it's only for us |
| 07:15.15 | yurikoles | but I will continue to listen free with proxy, he he |
| 07:15.34 | hiexpo | hmm |
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| 07:18.28 | yurikoles | man, they even check my facebook now |
| 07:19.10 | kbn2 | hello guys, I upgraded from wheezy to jessie, and ended up on the dreaded black screen. Screwed up fglrx i think. My graphics card, ATI Radeon 5x |
| 07:19.33 | kbn2 | in the logs, Xorg.0.11 I see 3 errors, all saying: |
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| 07:20.25 | kbn2 | .... error[/usr/X11R6/lib64/modules/dri/fglrx_dri.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory] |
| 07:20.29 | kbn2 | any help guys? |
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| 07:27.33 | kbn2 | hello? |
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| 07:31.22 | yurikoles | hello |
| 07:31.34 | yurikoles | please paste the log somewhere |
| 07:31.53 | yurikoles | are you in windwos now or different linux box? |
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| 07:32.18 | yurikoles | and of course, did you installed new fglrx? |
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| 07:37.39 | yurikoles | kbn2, are you here? |
| 07:37.52 | kbn2 | sorry |
| 07:37.57 | kbn2 | was aft |
| 07:37.59 | kbn2 | on a mac right now |
| 07:38.06 | yurikoles | no problem |
| 07:38.10 | yurikoles | so |
| 07:38.17 | kbn2 | i have no GUI whatsoever |
| 07:38.20 | kbn2 | only console |
| 07:38.26 | yurikoles | please explain, do you have fgrlx from debian archive? |
| 07:38.36 | kbn2 | yep |
| 07:38.40 | kbn2 | no external sources added |
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| 07:38.53 | yurikoles | for now try to purge it |
| 07:39.00 | kbn2 | hmm |
| 07:39.00 | yurikoles | free drivers are awesome |
| 07:39.04 | kbn2 | hmm |
| 07:39.05 | yurikoles | and reboot |
| 07:39.05 | kbn2 | all right |
| 07:39.21 | kbn2 | do i just apt-get purge fglrx*? |
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| 07:39.40 | yurikoles | actually fgrlx has more issues than FLOSS driver |
| 07:39.41 | yurikoles | yes |
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| 07:40.13 | kbn2 | purging |
| 07:40.50 | kbn2 | errors were encountered while processing: fglrx-driver |
| 07:41.02 | kbn2 | E: sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned error code(1) |
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| 07:41.49 | kbn2 | i did a "apt-get auto remove" |
| 07:41.54 | yurikoles | and before it? |
| 07:42.14 | kbn2 | hmm |
| 07:42.23 | kbn2 | not sure how to scroll up on console :-/ |
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| 07:42.32 | yurikoles | also sudo rm /etc/xorg.conf |
| 07:42.48 | dprc | shift+pg up |
| 07:42.55 | yurikoles | as it has closed source driver as IIRC |
| 07:43.13 | kbn2 | dprc, thank you |
| 07:43.19 | kbn2 | yurikoles, shall I restart now? |
| 07:43.21 | dprc | unless you are using gnu screen, then you have to use the "hack" of going into copy-mode |
| 07:43.36 | kbn2 | what's a GNU screen? |
| 07:43.41 | kbn2 | shift + pg up worked |
| 07:43.59 | yurikoles | it's easier to restart |
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| 07:44.12 | kbn2 | rebooting |
| 07:44.31 | dprc | screen is a terminal multiplexer |
| 07:44.58 | kbn2 | hmm |
| 07:45.08 | kbn2 | rebooted to GNU screen I suppose |
| 07:45.37 | kbn2 | the screen which comes up when you press ctrl + alt + F1 |
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| 07:45.40 | kbn2 | F2 etc.. |
| 07:45.43 | kbn2 | anyway, back there |
| 07:45.46 | kbn2 | no GUI / graphics driver |
| 07:46.01 | kbn2 | and now that all fglrx is uninstalled, the fan's going crazy too |
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| 07:47.43 | kbn2 | yurikoles, could you please tell what do i do now? |
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| 07:48.38 | yurikoles | give us your xorg.log |
| 07:48.45 | yurikoles | in paste site |
| 07:49.03 | kbn2 | umm |
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| 07:49.14 | dprc | !paste |
| 07:49.14 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 07:49.28 | kbn2 | hmm |
| 07:49.37 | dprc | !pastebinit |
| 07:49.38 | dpkg | pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" users, you must "pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net" or configure pastebinit to use something other than pastebin.com. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>. |
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| 07:50.36 | kbn2 | let me fig out a way to do that |
| 07:51.11 | yurikoles | sudo apt-get install pastebinit |
| 07:51.18 | kbn2 | oh |
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| 07:52.40 | dprc | to paste something you can simply: 'cat /some/file | pastebinit' |
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| 07:53.27 | themill | (uuoc!) |
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| 07:54.43 | kbn2 | ah fuck |
| 07:54.52 | kbn2 | I rebooted for some reason and it's all messed up now |
| 07:54.55 | kbn2 | no more grub |
| 07:55.06 | kbn2 | I had a windows installation, that's messed up too now |
| 07:56.03 | dprc | heh :) use install disk to fix grub |
| 07:56.29 | kbn2 | well well |
| 07:56.36 | kbn2 | guess who doesn't have an install disk either |
| 07:56.38 | kbn2 | sigh.. |
| 07:56.43 | phix | hai kbn2! |
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| 07:57.21 | kbn2 | this happened because I removed the line "Driver 'fglrx'" from : /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf |
| 07:57.51 | phix | kbn2: just fix it via the terminal then |
| 07:57.55 | phix | you don't need X |
| 07:57.58 | yurikoles | no |
| 07:58.02 | kbn2 | no more terminal |
| 07:58.08 | ShadowKatStudios | <kbn2> no more grub |
| 07:58.14 | kbn2 | no more grub |
| 07:58.16 | yurikoles | you are doing it wrong |
| 07:58.25 | kbn2 | well it's all messed up now |
| 07:58.27 | kbn2 | sigh |
| 07:58.28 | phix | kbn2: ?? |
| 07:58.31 | kbn2 | windows is messed up too |
| 07:58.35 | yurikoles | no |
| 07:58.41 | kbn2 | hmm? |
| 07:58.48 | yurikoles | first of all, do you have a flash drive? |
| 07:58.48 | phix | kbn2: Pack up your computer and mail it to me, you don't deserve one |
| 07:58.53 | yurikoles | or dvd-rw? |
| 07:58.58 | yurikoles | yes |
| 07:59.03 | yurikoles | all is gone... |
| 07:59.21 | yurikoles | it's not a problem to reinstall grub, I will help |
| 07:59.23 | kbn2 | phix... because I'm not a linux expert? thank you :-/ |
| 07:59.30 | kbn2 | yurikoles, yea... thought I don't have a live disk |
| 07:59.32 | yurikoles | don't worry |
| 07:59.54 | yurikoles | but you have an internet on mac, don't you? |
| 07:59.56 | kbn2 | yep |
| 08:00.12 | kbn2 | on which I'm using this IRC |
| 08:00.13 | phix | kbn2: What ever you do don't type google into google, you WILL break the Internet! |
| 08:00.18 | yurikoles | so download the debian live cd |
| 08:00.31 | kbn2 | phix, easy now dude, i'm not that big a noob :-/ |
| 08:00.31 | yurikoles | phix: go away |
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| 08:00.59 | kbn2 | yep, let me see |
| 08:01.01 | yurikoles | also, I reacll that episode from it-crowd |
| 08:01.15 | yurikoles | did you saw it, phix? |
| 08:01.16 | dprc | kbn2: you can also download this to repair grub with; is based on debian: http://www.finnix.org/ |
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| 08:01.28 | yurikoles | "this box conatins all internet" |
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| 08:01.32 | kbn2 | dprc, I think I'll have to reinstall tto fix this mess anyway |
| 08:01.35 | kbn2 | will prepare a live disk |
| 08:01.39 | kbn2 | can use it to backup everything too |
| 08:01.45 | yurikoles | no |
| 08:01.47 | kbn2 | all my work related stuff are on it |
| 08:02.08 | dprc | kbn2: you just have to reinstall grub |
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| 08:02.13 | yurikoles | you don't need to reinstall, it's very easy to fix grub, trust me |
| 08:02.21 | kbn2 | true |
| 08:02.24 | kbn2 | but I'll prepare a live disk |
| 08:02.27 | kbn2 | in case shit goes south |
| 08:02.32 | kbn2 | also, need to backup everything |
| 08:02.38 | kbn2 | before further going down the rabbit hole :p |
| 08:02.54 | yurikoles | don't worry |
| 08:02.55 | dprc | should have had a backup *before* this! :) |
| 08:03.11 | yurikoles | i have reinstalled grub2 couple of times |
| 08:03.20 | yurikoles | it's common problem |
| 08:03.28 | phix | kbn2: <3 |
| 08:03.31 | phix | yurikoles: <3 <3 |
| 08:03.42 | phix | yurikoles: IT Crowd <3 |
| 08:03.45 | dprc | no clue how you nuked grub though |
| 08:03.46 | yurikoles | kitties for everyone in thus room! |
| 08:04.01 | yurikoles | I think he rm the /boot |
| 08:04.07 | yurikoles | or something like that |
| 08:04.08 | phix | yurikoles: do it's off so I turn it on then walk away! |
| 08:04.17 | kbn2 | dprc, true.. but I didn't expect an OS upgrade would kill it |
| 08:04.28 | kbn2 | especially because I had very few 3rd party apps installed |
| 08:04.33 | DanDare | How to discover for how long Debian will offer security updates for Debian7? |
| 08:04.51 | kbn2 | yurikoles, nope didn't do anything with /boot |
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| 08:05.40 | DanDare | kbn2, its dual boot with windows? windows can erase grub depending what you do (on windows) |
| 08:06.00 | kbn2 | didn't touch windows for now |
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| 08:06.25 | phix | windows erases the MBR when you install it |
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| 08:06.34 | yurikoles | I will be back soon, just need to boot arch instead of osx |
| 08:06.38 | kbn2 | though it might have decided to "fix" automaticallu |
| 08:06.44 | phix | No idea what windows does if you are using GPT / UEFI |
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| 08:08.26 | kbn2 | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.0.0/amd64/iso-cd/ ? |
| 08:08.27 | kbn2 | which one? |
| 08:08.38 | kbn2 | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.0.0/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 08:09.05 | yurikoles | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.0.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-8.0.0-amd64-kde-CD-1.iso |
| 08:09.06 | kbn2 | 1 to 8, which one do i download? :-/ |
| 08:09.09 | phix | kbn2: What computer you got? |
| 08:09.15 | Amun_Ra | cd1 or netintall |
| 08:09.15 | phix | CPU even |
| 08:09.27 | kbn2 | sony vaio, i5 |
| 08:09.40 | yurikoles | so try my link |
| 08:09.46 | phix | kbn2: ok, so use amd64 then |
| 08:09.52 | yurikoles | do you have fas unlim internet? |
| 08:09.57 | yurikoles | or traffic/slow? |
| 08:10.07 | yurikoles | if so try netinstall |
| 08:10.17 | kbn2 | i don't wanna do a netinst ^_^ |
| 08:10.37 | yurikoles | yes, of course |
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| 08:10.48 | yurikoles | then download with some desktop |
| 08:10.50 | phix | kbn2: so dont |
| 08:10.53 | yurikoles | kde or xfce |
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| 08:11.02 | phix | xfce |
| 08:11.06 | phix | xubuntu <3 |
| 08:11.09 | kbn2 | Gnome? |
| 08:11.12 | yurikoles | oh yes |
| 08:11.24 | yurikoles | there is no gnome image of debian 8 |
| 08:11.33 | kbn2 | hm |
| 08:11.33 | yurikoles | as you see |
| 08:11.47 | quarterback | what does udevd program in debian do? |
| 08:11.51 | dprc | CD 1 is GNOME isn't it? |
| 08:11.56 | yurikoles | you can prepare one by build server, but it needs time |
| 08:12.06 | yurikoles | it's a install cd |
| 08:12.08 | Amun_Ra | quarterback: man udev |
| 08:12.13 | jelly | yurikoles: the default first CD and first DVD have Gnome. |
| 08:12.15 | yurikoles | not live |
| 08:12.29 | yurikoles | they are not live both |
| 08:12.42 | jelly | the live image is Gnome as well I believe |
| 08:13.14 | jelly | yurikoles: https://www.debian.org/CD/live/ |
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| 08:13.58 | yurikoles | so, kbn2, http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/bt-hybrid/debian-live-8.0.0-amd64-gnome-desktop.iso.torrent |
| 08:14.02 | yurikoles | use this |
| 08:14.07 | dprc | 'standard.iso' has no GUI? |
| 08:14.20 | quarterback | I was wondering how to optimize a server which is running debian, any folks have done this earlier? |
| 08:14.21 | yurikoles | only gtk-based installer |
| 08:14.36 | yurikoles | yes, millions of us |
| 08:14.52 | yurikoles | firs of all remove openssh-server |
| 08:14.59 | kbn2 | great,I don't have a torrent client on my mac |
| 08:15.00 | kbn2 | brb |
| 08:15.22 | jelly | yurikoles: please stop giving unwarranted and possibly harmful advice. |
| 08:15.28 | dprc | kbn2: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/debian-live-8.0.0-amd64-gnome-desktop.iso |
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| 08:15.52 | dprc | is 1 GB |
| 08:15.53 | kbn2 | dprc, ha! thank you |
| 08:15.59 | quarterback | yurikoles: I have openssh server and its necessary. |
| 08:16.44 | jelly | quarterback: given the mix of useful and harmful things they's telling, I suspect they may be drunk |
| 08:16.54 | jelly | they're* |
| 08:17.02 | yurikoles | sorry |
| 08:17.12 | yurikoles | first of all |
| 08:17.17 | jelly | !enter |
| 08:17.17 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 08:17.22 | yurikoles | describe us you services |
| 08:17.25 | quarterback | jelly: In soviet russia they give bad advice |
| 08:17.34 | dprc | kbn2: MD5 hash for iso is 76af7293c8e03b46a17b4503bdd59c27 |
| 08:17.53 | yurikoles | in soviet ukraine :) |
| 08:18.02 | quarterback | yurikoles : in Ukraine too :) |
| 08:18.06 | yurikoles | we run a war with a nuclear country |
| 08:18.24 | yurikoles | and we will we win !!!11oneone |
| 08:18.37 | jelly | quarterback: "optimize" for what? I try to optimize for "least sysadmin time spent, longterm" |
| 08:18.47 | quarterback | I am in favor of russia as they were my friends earlier |
| 08:19.36 | jelly | quarterback: this means using debian, patching important services, and trying to keep as many default settings as possible |
| 08:20.14 | yurikoles | interesting |
| 08:20.24 | quarterback | jelly: optimize for the following: Less ram usage, less cpu load, least admin time ,less monitoring, make the server do its work for itself for months. |
| 08:20.25 | Amun_Ra | and optimization often means another server :> |
| 08:20.37 | yurikoles | it's not an optimization, it's a lazyness |
| 08:20.38 | jelly | quarterback: some of those work against each other |
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| 08:20.56 | Amun_Ra | erm, no |
| 08:21.03 | quarterback | jelly: Yes, least admin time is probably a priority as I want to automate everything. |
| 08:21.04 | jelly | quarterback: eg. you want _more_ monitoring to save your time |
| 08:21.09 | Amun_Ra | depends on the traffic |
| 08:21.20 | themill | quarterback: do you actually have an issue with excessive CPU load and things working too slowly? Or services dying because they get OOM killed? |
| 08:21.36 | quarterback | jelly: Yes, I meant less monitoring by a human operator but more monitoring by the "machine" |
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| 08:22.15 | quarterback | themill: Ram consumption increased from 20 MB to 70 MB in a few days. I wonder if there is a memory leak somewhere. |
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| 08:22.42 | Amun_Ra | quarterback: you need sth like nagios |
| 08:22.46 | jelly | quarterback: from a total of...? |
| 08:22.54 | themill | quarterback: how are you measuring that? |
| 08:22.57 | quarterback | amun_ra: what is nagios? |
| 08:23.18 | quarterback | themill: with top, htop I am measuring cpu resource usage. |
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| 08:24.32 | yurikoles | and also disk io |
| 08:24.47 | Amun_Ra | quarterback: IT infrastructure monitoring tool (if you have several machines to monitor) |
| 08:24.50 | yurikoles | htop is good for disk io monitoring |
| 08:25.03 | Amun_Ra | atop \o/ |
| 08:25.25 | jelly | quarterback: use "free" command, or make sure to subtract "cached" and maybe even "buffers" from the "used" value. |
| 08:25.51 | yurikoles | oh shi~, it's so huge |
| 08:26.16 | yurikoles | htop is better, it's colorful ^_^ |
| 08:26.30 | yurikoles | !enter |
| 08:26.30 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 08:26.40 | yurikoles | sorry guys |
| 08:26.57 | jelly | yurikoles: keep your comments to technical support in this channel, please. |
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| 08:29.50 | yurikoles | also, Icinga is better then nagios, it's a better fork |
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| 08:47.04 | anddam | out of curiosity why there's wine32 and wine64 rather than wine:amd64 and wine:i386? |
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| 08:47.24 | yurikoles_ | for compatibility? |
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| 08:52.36 | anddam | how's one more compatible than the other? |
| 08:53.15 | anddam | more important matter: in XFCE why if I click a .png image in the file explorer now the system opens it with freaking Internet Explorer in wine?? |
| 08:54.52 | yurikoles_ | rm -r ~/.local/share/applications/wine* |
| 08:55.16 | valdyn | anddam: wine provides the win32 api , and theres one package for debian/amd64 and one for debian/i386 . Wine64 implmenents the win64 api and only exists for debian/amd64 |
| 08:55.17 | yurikoles_ | or lurk for png there |
| 08:55.33 | anddam | valdyn: ah I see |
| 08:55.56 | anddam | so there could actually be wine32:amd64 and wine64:i386 |
| 08:56.32 | yurikoles_ | does anyone heard about gcc5 plans? I saw that gcc5 libs started rolling into testing |
| 08:56.32 | valdyn | anddam: but they did not rename wine wine wine32 |
| 08:56.43 | anddam | yurikoles_: wine-extension-png.desktop |
| 08:56.48 | anddam | thanks |
| 08:56.49 | valdyn | anddam: but they did not rename wine *to* wine32 |
| 08:56.58 | anddam | that's an horrible trick to play on users btw |
| 08:57.10 | anddam | valdyn: I liked the "wine wine wine" thing better |
| 08:57.17 | anddam | stressed more the point |
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| 08:57.53 | valdyn | hmm, nvm, there really is that wine32 package anyway |
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| 08:58.42 | anddam | yurikoles_: do I need to "refresh" xdg cache somehow? |
| 08:58.54 | yurikoles_ | dunno |
| 08:58.54 | anddam | I moved all the extensions to .disabled in case I'll ever need them |
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| 09:09.32 | Amun_Ra | yurikoles_: I'm using llvm for my projects (better error messages) |
| 09:10.03 | yurikoles_ | did you heard about libstdc++ abi break? |
| 09:10.33 | anddam | how can I setup the default image viewer in xfce? is it an xfce specific thing or can this be done with the alternatives system? |
| 09:10.38 | yurikoles_ | they have broke compatibility and has not changed lib path |
| 09:13.15 | yurikoles_ | fedora guys had 2 rebuilds |
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| 09:16.18 | anddam | ah nvm, it's in XFCE's Thunar properties on the file |
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| 09:41.32 | JyZyXEL | how do you select in debian which notifier service is used? |
| 09:42.06 | Ynnaf | I can't use a swapfile on jessie ! help :( |
| 09:42.17 | yurikoles_ | you mean in gui? |
| 09:42.30 | JyZyXEL | yeah |
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| 09:42.39 | JyZyXEL | the GUI notifier service |
| 09:43.00 | JyZyXEL | i got dunst installed and now its being used instead of xfce4-notifyd |
| 09:43.01 | yurikoles_ | it depends on DE |
| 09:43.16 | yurikoles_ | dpkg-reconfigure? |
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| 09:43.46 | JyZyXEL | neither of them have any configuration |
| 09:43.48 | SynrG | Ynnaf: explain |
| 09:44.33 | JyZyXEL | somewhere its set that dunst is being used for notifications |
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| 09:44.53 | Ynnaf | SynrG: used fallocate -l 1G; to create a file of 1GB, chmod to 600 on the file, then mkswap it, and then swapon fails to enable it. |
| 09:45.49 | Ynnaf | swapon: /swap: swapon failed: Invalid argument |
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| 09:46.45 | SynrG | Ynnaf: let's see your /etc/fstab entry for it |
| 09:47.06 | yurikoles_ | maybe just uninstall duns? |
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| 09:47.17 | Ynnaf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:47.38 | SynrG | Ynnaf: i have /swap none swap sw 0 0 |
| 09:47.42 | SynrG | works for me |
| 09:47.47 | Ynnaf | yeah |
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| 09:47.58 | SynrG | you have defaults, not sw |
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| 09:48.13 | Ynnaf | and if you do swapoff /swap, swpon /swap should work too. |
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| 09:48.44 | Ynnaf | but it does not there. I did this procedure on different PC on different distribution, never had this issue. |
| 09:49.21 | SynrG | well, i actually use swapon -a |
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| 09:49.35 | Ynnaf | this is the same, but I'll try you fstab |
| 09:50.04 | SynrG | but yes, swapon /swap works fine for me |
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| 09:50.38 | Ynnaf | I'd bet |
| 09:50.49 | Ynnaf | you are on jessie ? |
| 09:50.55 | SynrG | sid |
| 09:51.02 | SynrG | but never had an issue before |
| 09:51.08 | Ynnaf | me too :s |
| 09:51.24 | SynrG | stock kernel? |
| 09:51.37 | Krakakanok | im in sid too, what issue ? |
| 09:51.44 | JyZyXEL | where do you set the notfier that is used by default? |
| 09:51.47 | SynrG | Ynnaf: what filesystem is /swap on? |
| 09:52.00 | SynrG | http://superuser.com/questions/539287/swapon-failed-invalid-argument-on-a-linux-system-with-btrfs-filesystem |
| 09:52.01 | Ynnaf | Ho |
| 09:52.02 | JyZyXEL | when multiple notifiers are installed |
| 09:52.09 | Ynnaf | could be it, first time I use btrfs |
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| 09:52.22 | Ynnaf | I usually take ext4 |
| 09:52.31 | SynrG | yep. |
| 09:52.38 | SynrG | read the advice there :) |
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| 09:52.59 | Ynnaf | han. They all told me that btrfs was modernity é_è |
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| 09:53.47 | Ynnaf | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:53.47 | Ynnaf | Currently no. |
| 09:53.48 | SynrG | oh, i'm sure it is. but to get to the top, sacrifices must be made ... |
| 09:54.05 | Ynnaf | I'll kill some goaties. |
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| 09:54.14 | SynrG | :) |
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| 09:55.16 | Ynnaf | mhm. Let's get an oldschool dedicaced swap partition |
| 09:55.33 | SynrG | yep. that will work |
| 09:56.05 | SynrG | anyway, i learned a new trick. didn't know about fallocate |
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| 09:56.28 | Ynnaf | fallocate is just faster o/ |
| 09:56.29 | SynrG | i see that's what mkswap has in the man page. back when i set mine up, it was dd from /dev/zero. less efficient |
| 09:56.32 | SynrG | yep |
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| 09:57.38 | Ynnaf | (and while back, working on a raspberrypi with shitty sd, it was a terrible idea to dd on 1M/s fast :O) |
| 09:57.46 | SynrG | ouch |
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| 09:58.43 | SynrG | wouldn't swap on a shitty sd be horrible anyway? not sure i'd want to even use swap there |
| 10:00.10 | Ynnaf | to do a locale-gen, memory wasn't big enought :p |
| 10:00.58 | Ynnaf | (never thought it took memory, but seemingly, it does) |
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| 10:01.27 | valdyn | Ynnaf: just install locales-all |
| 10:01.42 | Ynnaf | I might learn something there :p |
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| 10:09.32 | ToApolytoXaos | guys, seriously i'm freaking out with this f*@#-ed up system of mine! it's been ages now that my sound auto increases / decreases on itself as if there was a normalization mechanism somewhere. i'm using debian testing 64-bit on an Asus H87M-Pro motherboard |
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| 10:10.41 | joldy | have you tried turning it off and on again? |
| 10:10.51 | ToApolytoXaos | turn off what? |
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| 10:11.35 | joldy | look for the reset button |
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| 10:11.42 | Amok_Huginnsson | How can I use alsamixer to change my mixer setting without specyfying -c <CARDNO>? |
| 10:12.05 | ToApolytoXaos | joldy: what the hell are you talking about?! |
| 10:12.29 | SynrG | !tell Amok_Huginnsson about default alsa |
| 10:12.34 | Amok_Huginnsson | How to force alsamixer and amixer not to use pulseaudio as default sound device? |
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| 10:13.12 | SynrG | hmm |
| 10:13.30 | SynrG | i was assuming you didn't use pulseaudio. not sure if the advice i sent is relevant |
| 10:13.39 | Amok_Huginnsson | SynrG: I tried all goole results to no avail. |
| 10:14.49 | ToApolytoXaos | from the day this pusle thing appeared I have been having issues with both on board and PCI audio cards :/ |
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| 10:15.36 | Amok_Huginnsson | I have to use pulseaudio because of Skype, but I still want to use alsamixer and amixer, but I do want to explicitly specify card number everytime I use those mixers. |
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| 10:15.44 | korvo | I want to start reading the kernel any suggestion on where to start? |
| 10:16.02 | ToApolytoXaos | korvo: the source code you mean? |
| 10:16.10 | korvo | 1.5 million lines they say |
| 10:16.24 | korvo | yes the kernel code.. to study them |
| 10:16.39 | ToApolytoXaos | you must know C pretty well |
| 10:16.41 | korvo | I have never done any system programming so I know it will be a rough road |
| 10:16.52 | ToApolytoXaos | and you want to start from a kernel? |
| 10:16.53 | ToApolytoXaos | lol |
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| 10:17.20 | korvo | yes but I figure it would be an old kernel that i would be looking at |
| 10:17.25 | valdyn | korvo: read the serial driver |
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| 10:18.10 | korvo | valdyn: serial driver? any example? |
| 10:18.29 | valdyn | korvo: theres only one tty |
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| 10:18.56 | anddam | I'm following https://wiki.debian.org/KVM when it says "libvirt defaults to qemu:///session for non-root. So from <youruser> you'll need to do: " does that apply to virt-manager as well? |
| 10:19.06 | korvo | valdyn: thanks |
| 10:19.52 | valdyn | korvo: the idea is that you start at a part where the thing done is simple, so the code may be understandable |
| 10:20.30 | valdyn | korvo: the core is not understood by most kernel developers either |
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| 10:22.35 | korvo | valdyn: good to know thanks. I guess that means simple stand alone components |
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| 10:49.44 | cluelessperson | is a server's ssl key supposed to be in raw format in a permissioned directory? |
| 10:49.57 | cluelessperson | basically. ssl.key ssl.crt and ssl_ca.pem |
| 10:50.00 | cluelessperson | in raw formats? |
| 10:50.04 | cluelessperson | if not, how should I be doing it? |
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| 10:57.39 | blackpenguin | cluelessperson: it would depend on the software you use. there is no general answer to that question. |
| 10:58.04 | anddam | is there a fstab option to mount the device if possible and if the device isn't there just gracefully continue? |
| 10:58.25 | cluelessperson | anddam: I remember that being yes, but not sure how |
| 10:58.33 | anddam | mm I reckon that'd just be a mount option |
| 10:58.35 | cluelessperson | anddam: I think it's one of the numbers at the end of the string. |
| 10:58.41 | anddam | cluelessperson: like "yes" in options? |
| 10:58.41 | cluelessperson | anddam: yup |
| 10:58.42 | anddam | oh I se |
| 10:58.44 | anddam | see |
| 11:00.17 | blackpenguin | anddam: use the nofail option. see "man fstab" |
| 11:00.34 | anddam | when using stow is there a way to correctly handle LIBDIR in /etc/ld.so.conf? |
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| 11:06.18 | anddam | oh nvm, stow takes care of that via the /usr/local/lib symlinks |
| 11:06.21 | anddam | nice |
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| 11:08.03 | anddam | since the fs is ext4 I don't need to make some vodoo for the ownership of files on the mounted partition, right? |
| 11:08.17 | anddam | i.e. I mount once, set the ownership and that stays there |
| 11:08.26 | anddam | I remember having to fiddle with non-native fs in paste |
| 11:08.28 | anddam | past* |
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| 11:18.34 | Fjorgynn | is it recommended to use the default lvm encryption during installation of Debian? |
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| 11:19.26 | joldy | no, encryption is unnecessary and slow |
| 11:19.51 | Fjorgynn | joldy: why is that? |
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| 11:21.21 | COdingFree | hi guys, would you know why my Debian is able to see every AP available but can't see the AP at my home? I mean, It can even see the hotspot of my mobile device, but wpa_cli for example doesn't show the AP of my home. |
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| 11:22.48 | Fjorgynn | any other linux devices can do that? |
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| 11:27.36 | anddam | Fjorgynn: linux devices? |
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| 11:27.55 | anddam | ecnryption is slow because it requires encryption |
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| 11:28.29 | Fjorgynn | anddam: lol |
| 11:28.41 | anddam | someone mentioned a different encryption layer that can use CPU's native AES capabilities (if present). IIRC there are even expansion cards with that support (from Soekris' devices) |
| 11:28.51 | anddam | can't recall that layer's name tho' |
| 11:28.58 | Fjorgynn | encryption is good if you need encryption |
| 11:29.22 | joldy | sound legit |
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| 11:54.24 | Fjorgynn | is there a way to know why I don't get X running in Testing? |
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| 11:56.57 | at0m | Fjorgynn: /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? |
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| 12:03.08 | Tau | is it possible to use a pc with debian with no monitor plugged to a laptop via usb? |
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| 12:03.20 | citylight2 | I seek help packaging a flask app to a deb file |
| 12:03.21 | Tau | so the laptop would work like a terminal. |
| 12:03.43 | Tau | when i wanted to let a process run in the pc from the laptop i would type some magic command? |
| 12:04.13 | citylight2 | My error is: |
| 12:04.28 | citylight2 | error: [Errno 21] Is a directory: 'debian/cwvw/usr/share/cwvw/cwvw' |
| 12:04.29 | citylight2 | debian/rules:16: recipe for target 'override_dh_auto_install' failed |
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| 12:08.39 | Brigo | Tau, it will be easier if you use the ethernet card. |
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| 12:12.11 | Brigo | citylight2, you should ask in #debian-mentors in OFTC network (Debian's official) |
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| 12:16.29 | citylight2 | thanks |
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| 12:19.29 | FLHerne | Tau: Via usb?! |
| 12:20.00 | FLHerne | Tau: Normally neither a laptop or a desktop can act as a USB slave device |
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| 12:20.27 | FLHerne | Connecting via ssh over ethernet would be much simpler |
| 12:20.52 | FLHerne | Linux does of course still support real serial terminals, but that sort of thing is a pain |
| 12:24.08 | Azrael_- | if the network is available and properly configured, then it works, otherwise it's getting interesting |
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| 12:25.59 | at0m | that's why i'm not just throwing my usb2serial cable. who knows. |
| 12:26.39 | Azrael_- | i'm always at a loss if the remote machine fails to boot and no kvm over ip is available or not working :) |
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| 12:33.42 | Tau | i see. |
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| 12:35.15 | FLHerne | I bet someone makes a USB-A <-> USB-A transfer system |
| 12:36.06 | dvs | laplink? |
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| 12:36.31 | FLHerne | Just sticking two USB-serial convertors back-to-back would sort of do it, I'm sure there are sillier ways |
| 12:37.24 | FLHerne | So it seems |
| 12:37.40 | FLHerne | Although aargh, are their product descriptions mind-numbing :-/ |
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| 12:49.13 | at0m | these wires exist... for usb2usb network. never tried though. |
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| 12:50.36 | qifur | hello friends. suddenly in my user terminal, <alt>-b does not work anymore. instead of taking me back a word, it gives me the following unicode char: â. |
| 12:50.39 | qifur | wtf? |
| 12:50.42 | qifur | my root terminal still works fine. |
| 12:50.49 | qifur | i also copied /etc/inputrc to .inputrc in case it helps, but no. |
| 12:50.54 | qifur | what could the problem be?!?! |
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| 12:52.03 | ilyak | Hi, fellows |
| 12:52.28 | ilyak | I've just installed Debian 8 and I'm observing a very surprising behavior |
| 12:52.49 | ilyak | I have a symlink in my /tmp: /tmp/username -> /srv/raid/somewhere |
| 12:53.32 | ilyak | and when I try sudo cp -nRL /tmp/username /home - it says cannot stat "username" |
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| 12:53.53 | ilyak | Why would it not be able to stat anything as root? |
| 12:54.17 | ilyak | Even more surprising, when leaving out sudo, it does start copying (of course now it can't read every file from /srv/raid/somewhere |
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| 12:54.32 | ilyak | What does EACCESS means in stat(2) as root? |
| 12:55.17 | ilyak | stat("ilyak", 0x7fff23dbad50) = -1 EACCES (Permission denied) |
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| 12:55.26 | [sr] | hi |
| 12:55.34 | [sr] | the debian postfix package |
| 12:55.47 | [sr] | doesn't have support for libspf2-2 library |
| 12:55.48 | [sr] | ? |
| 12:57.37 | ilyak | Whoa, I can't even ls this symlink |
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| 12:58.14 | ilyak | Whoa |
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| 12:58.33 | ilyak | It seems that root can not read other users' symlinks in /tmp |
| 12:58.43 | ilyak | Which is extremelly strange |
| 12:59.59 | Mysterytrain | using a preceede file, is there a way to tell partman to use an existing partition. I see all kinds of docs about creating partitions in the partman recipes, but nothing at all about using already present ones. more specifically, I want to reuse /dev/sda5 as /home |
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| 13:01.31 | Fjorgynn | something with debian testing and virtualbox is borked |
| 13:01.39 | Fjorgynn | I get no screens found |
| 13:02.24 | ilyak | It can stat files inside those symlinks |
| 13:02.29 | ilyak | but not symlinks themself |
| 13:03.21 | qifur | no one is helping here? |
| 13:03.23 | qifur | is there a better channel |
| 13:03.24 | qifur | ? |
| 13:03.46 | Fjorgynn | What terminal are you using?= |
| 13:04.06 | qifur | rxvt-unicode |
| 13:04.14 | qifur | escape-b works |
| 13:04.16 | qifur | alt-b doesn't |
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| 13:04.24 | qifur | after restart it also doesn't work on root |
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| 13:04.41 | qifur | i was told to add this on Xdefaults: |
| 13:04.41 | qifur | URxvt.modifier: meta |
| 13:04.44 | qifur | but it iddn't help |
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| 13:06.41 | qifur | :( |
| 13:06.50 | qifur | very annoyning and i have shittons of work |
| 13:06.51 | ilyak | Looks like this behavior is rather old |
| 13:07.09 | qifur | xev recognizes alt properly, of course. |
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| 13:14.00 | leg | hi |
| 13:14.12 | leg | where should I place custom systemd units in debian 8? |
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| 13:31.31 | cluelessperson | Hey guys, I'm trying to mount network shared folders from a desktop machine |
| 13:31.37 | cluelessperson | I can read them find, but have no write access. |
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| 13:32.08 | cluelessperson | the host is configured to allow write access |
| 13:32.22 | cluelessperson | but on the client(server) permission is denied to make any changes. |
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| 13:34.52 | petn-randall | cluelessperson: How did you mount them? And what is the output of 'ls -l' on the folder? |
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| 13:35.23 | cluelessperson | petn-randall: sudo/root can write to the two that I enabled as writable on the server hrm. |
| 13:35.45 | cluelessperson | petn-randall: drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 May 17 08:32 PODCASTS |
| 13:36.06 | petn-randall | cluelessperson: So you mounted it as root? |
| 13:36.14 | cluelessperson | /192.168.0.253/PODCASTS /media/PSITHURISMS/PODCASTS cifs uid=subsonic,file_mode=0777,dir_mode=0777,credentials=/var/credentials/smbcredentials,iocharset=utf8,noperm 0 0 |
| 13:36.21 | cluelessperson | petn-randall: "subsonic" |
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| 13:37.23 | deathleff | hello there, any clue why security.debian.org ist not resolvable anymore? apt-get update claims host not resolvable for a week now. |
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| 13:37.40 | deathleff | thats on jessie vanilla setup |
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| 13:38.06 | petn-randall | deathleff: Show us the output of 'host security.debian.org'. â http://paste.debian.net |
| 13:39.05 | deathleff | ;; Truncated, retrying in TCP mode. |
| 13:39.05 | deathleff | Host security.debian.org not found: 2(SERVFAIL) |
| 13:39.14 | deathleff | petn-randall, thats it :( |
| 13:39.55 | deathleff | quita annoying as its a default entry in sources.list |
| 13:39.57 | petn-randall | deathleff: Your setup is broken, s.d.o has been working ever since. What are the contents of /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 13:40.40 | deathleff | petn-randall, my local router and gateway as on every system |
| 13:40.57 | wakatana | hello does anybody know some cool tips for tuning unity to run faster? I am running distro under VM and try to save every bit of memory and every cpu cycle |
| 13:41.07 | deathleff | security.debian.org is the only system not resolvale by dns... |
| 13:41.25 | petn-randall | deathleff: That's why I'm asking for those details ... |
| 13:41.26 | themill | wakatana: you were in the right place when you asked in #ubuntu |
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| 13:42.16 | deathleff | petn-randall, |
| 13:42.18 | deathleff | domain jr.local |
| 13:42.19 | deathleff | search jr.local |
| 13:42.19 | deathleff | nameserver 192.168.17.1 |
| 13:42.25 | deathleff | thats the resolv.conf |
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| 13:42.47 | wakatana | themill: it is not ubuntu specific quetion I suppose |
| 13:43.10 | petn-randall | deathleff: Please use the paste site next time, otherwise dpkg will kick you if you paste in the channel (it has a 4 line limit I think, you were lucky). |
| 13:43.19 | themill | wakatana: well you're not running Debian and you didn't get unity from Debian. |
| 13:43.32 | deathleff | petn-randall, of course, sry about that. |
| 13:44.15 | petn-randall | deathleff: if you run 'host security.debian.org 8.8.8.8', do you get correct output? |
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| 13:45.01 | deathleff | petn-randall, yes. i guess my isps default dns server is fucked. |
| 13:45.36 | deathleff | will switch to the google one and write them a nice mail :) thx for helping out, petn-randall |
| 13:45.38 | petn-randall | deathleff: 'SERVFAIL' indicated the your router couldn't understand the response of one of the DNS servers it contacted. |
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| 13:46.02 | petn-randall | deathleff: I'd look up which DNS is set in your router's config, to narrow down the issue. |
| 13:46.14 | deathleff | ok |
| 13:46.17 | xreal | How can I force to print an URL, when the app is installed already? "apt-get --print-uris --yes install hello" doesn't work |
| 13:46.38 | deathleff | its a some opensource firewall thingus, ipfire or smthn. will look into it. |
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| 13:47.41 | themill | xreal: what are you really trying to do? |
| 13:47.51 | xreal | themill: exactly what I wrote? :) |
| 13:48.04 | themill | ... |
| 13:48.08 | anddam | is virt-manager debian or #kvm specific? |
| 13:48.11 | xreal | themill: I want to see the download link to the deb-file of a package |
| 13:48.37 | xreal | themill: I mean... that was easy to guess by reading the command :) |
| 13:48.43 | xreal | themill: "--print-uris" ... |
| 13:49.03 | themill | and so the fact that I'm asking for more context perhaps makes it obvious that more context would be useful? |
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| 13:49.32 | anddam | I created a big home partition thinking of using that to host guest vm in kvm |
| 13:49.36 | xreal | themill: what context are you missing? |
| 13:49.42 | themill | xreal: what are you really trying to do? |
| 13:49.47 | xreal | themill: ?? |
| 13:49.53 | xreal | themill: I want to see the download link to the deb-file of a package |
| 13:49.58 | anddam | now I see the default storage for system QEMU hosts is /var/lib/libvist/images |
| 13:50.07 | themill | xreal: because you like reading URLs? |
| 13:50.15 | xreal | themill: yep |
| 13:50.28 | xreal | themill: I want to see, which directory they're in etc. |
| 13:50.31 | themill | good luck with that then. archive.org has lots of the, |
| 13:50.35 | anddam | since home and root are two LVM logical volume can I destroy the former and attach the stray PV to root? |
| 13:50.45 | anddam | so to have a single big root partition |
| 13:50.49 | xreal | themill: ??? I think, you don't even have a clue, what --print-uris is all about, do you? |
| 13:51.15 | themill | xreal: I know exactly what print-uris can and cannot do |
| 13:51.29 | xreal | themill: I can *not* print URLs when the package is installed. |
| 13:51.36 | xreal | themill: this sounds like a bug to me. |
| 13:51.36 | valdyn | anddam: no, you have to copy the files |
| 13:51.46 | anddam | without reading anything before I'm going with "--print-uris will print some URIs" |
| 13:52.02 | anddam | do you mean the /home files? Ofc |
| 13:52.11 | anddam | I wasn't hoping in *that* much magic |
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| 13:52.27 | valdyn | anddam: i dont understand why you would be asking then |
| 13:52.36 | anddam | valdyn: never used LVM before |
| 13:52.39 | themill | xreal: no, it's suppose to show you the URLs of things that will be downloaded. That's precisely what it is supposed to do. |
| 13:52.43 | valdyn | anddam: "can i copy files and delete the source" |
| 13:52.46 | valdyn | anddam: obvious ;) |
| 13:52.51 | anddam | valdyn: and extend the root |
| 13:52.58 | anddam | that's the vital bit |
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| 13:53.12 | valdyn | anddam: yea, you can ,extending is not problematic at all |
| 13:53.15 | anddam | also should I start from a recovery system? |
| 13:53.45 | valdyn | anddam: depends |
| 13:54.09 | valdyn | anddam: getting rid of everything running that might access /home is easy on some systems, hard on others |
| 13:54.22 | xreal | themill: --reinstall did it. thanks for help. |
| 13:54.32 | themill | xreal: it apparently doesn't do what *you* want it to do but that's not what it is designed to do. If you'd actually explain what it is you're trying to do then I could possibly help |
| 13:54.39 | anddam | valdyn: I was thinking more about / |
| 13:54.48 | anddam | because I'd be running from it |
| 13:54.52 | xreal | themill: I did two times. |
| 13:55.00 | themill | xreal: no, you did not. |
| 13:55.01 | xreal | themill: there's no other reason... |
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| 13:55.05 | valdyn | anddam: youre running it, youre not modifying the stuff on it, youre just adding /home to it |
| 13:55.08 | xreal | is my English that bad? |
| 13:55.21 | xreal | let me use google translate. |
| 13:55.39 | valdyn | anddam: so, as i said, you just need to stop anything that might try to use /home/ |
| 13:55.40 | themill | xreal: if your only motivation is to have some URLs to read, then please waste someone else's time making you some URLs. If there's another motivation, then just share it. |
| 13:56.09 | anddam | valdyn: I cannot think of anything once I'm logged off |
| 13:56.12 | xreal | themill: I'd like to see the download links to the DEB-file of an already installed or to be installed application |
| 13:56.18 | themill | WHY |
| 13:56.34 | xreal | themill: why do IRC guys always want to discuss when they can't help? |
| 13:56.34 | xreal | :( |
| 13:56.46 | themill | Your solution is not a solution.. but you don't actually want one |
| 13:56.49 | valdyn | anddam: some user processes stay running, even if you log off |
| 13:56.54 | xreal | Sorry, I'm not into your philosophy today. |
| 13:56.57 | xreal | Thanks for help |
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| 13:56.59 | dvs | xreal: Because there may be an easier way of what you're trying to do |
| 13:57.04 | themill | good luck, you'll need it |
| 13:57.06 | anddam | valdyn: then the plan basically is cp -r /home /home-new; umount /home; rmdir home; mv /home-new /home right? |
| 13:57.10 | anddam | valdyn: e.g.? |
| 13:57.19 | anddam | s/e.g./i.e./ |
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| 13:57.29 | valdyn | anddam: yea |
| 13:57.39 | valdyn | anddam: but use cp -a at least |
| 13:57.56 | hiexpo | lol |
| 13:58.17 | anddam | what about the LV extending? |
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| 13:58.45 | valdyn | anddam: lvextend /dev/mapper/vg-lvol0 -L +60G |
| 13:59.21 | valdyn | anddam: and resize2fs /dev/mapper/vg-lol0 |
| 13:59.52 | anddam | resizing is big fun |
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| 14:00.05 | anddam | "vg-lol" |
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| 14:04.36 | anddam | valdyn: or I figure I can use a qemu:///session connection and have the VM in current home |
| 14:04.42 | anddam | but I read that limits a bit networking |
| 14:05.01 | anddam | that seems not to be working anyway since I have this error near system network vm "could not build physical interface list via libvirt: xmlParseDoc() failed" |
| 14:05.21 | anddam | I'm going with resizing |
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| 14:06.13 | andocromn | i'm trying to run something called sacad which requires python version 3, i successfully installed python3 with apt but when i run python the version still shows as 2.7.3 anyone know how to enable python3? |
| 14:07.18 | zinx | anddam: i had to ditch libvirt, too limiting, i just call qemu myself via a script these days |
| 14:08.15 | valdyn | anddam: you run python3 |
| 14:08.24 | zinx | on the plus side, that means i don't have vulnerable things like floppy drives on the virtual system :P |
| 14:08.29 | anddam | valdyn: at times, why? |
| 14:08.34 | zinx | valdyn: andocromn |
| 14:08.35 | valdyn | zinx: read again about that bug |
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| 14:09.10 | valdyn | anddam: that was for andocromn |
| 14:09.12 | anddam | zinx: I don't know enough of it to figure what's wrong and what's good, I'll use libvirt until I met some limit |
| 14:09.19 | anddam | valdyn: makes more sense, yes |
| 14:09.41 | zinx | valdyn: i don't add any default hardware |
| 14:09.51 | themill | andocromn: "python" should always be python2; if you want python 3, you run "python3". |
| 14:10.09 | valdyn | zinx: qemu has the floppy controller enabled, always, you cant switch it off |
| 14:10.15 | zinx | valdyn: i load the machine config (edited) |
| 14:10.37 | valdyn | zinx: even you cant disable it |
| 14:10.48 | valdyn | zinx: see "modprobe floppy" |
| 14:11.11 | anddam | "xreal | themill: why do IRC guys always want to discuss when they can't help?" <-- that's the Chat in IRC |
| 14:11.13 | valdyn | modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'floppy': No such device |
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| 14:11.23 | valdyn | zinx: that ^^ does not happen on unfixed qemu |
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| 14:12.42 | roberth1990 | anyone know how I can get 24 hours clock in icedove on received mail etc? |
| 14:12.48 | zinx | valdyn: i'm running Windows in my VM. i'm creating the full hardware layout myself |
| 14:13.16 | valdyn | zinx: yes, of course, but you cant disable the floppy controller |
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| 14:13.19 | anddam | I called my vg "my-vg" and my lv "my-root", as a result I have /dev/mapper/my--vg-my--fs that's a bit odd, what component is in charge of defining those mapper names? |
| 14:13.34 | valdyn | zinx: thats half the point of that bug |
| 14:13.43 | anddam | I see it used <vg>-<lv> doubling the dashes it encountered in the two parts |
| 14:14.00 | anddam | i.e. I'd like to have tidier /dev/mapper names |
| 14:15.05 | andocromn | ok, i manually edited the file and changed it to #!/usr/bin/python3, still doesn't work. looks like it needs => 3.3 and i have 3.2 |
| 14:15.32 | themill | andocromn: sounds like it's time to upgrade to jessie, then |
| 14:15.40 | zinx | valdyn: checked the device list, i guess it does auto-add it to the isa bus, oh well |
| 14:16.16 | galex-713 | completely understands anddam |
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| 14:16.35 | galex-713 | Unfortunately, the only solution I personally found was not to use dashes :/ |
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| 14:16.41 | andocromn | themill: yep, i just saw that online. 3.4 is stable in jessie and jessie is stable |
| 14:16.47 | themill | yes |
| 14:17.00 | themill | dpkg: tell andocromn about wheezy->jessie |
| 14:17.00 | andocromn | how long ago did jessie become stable? |
| 14:17.12 | anddam | if I change the vg and lv names will mapper names change accordingly? |
| 14:17.15 | anddam | galex-713: ^^ |
| 14:17.18 | themill | anddam: 4 weeks |
| 14:17.51 | themill | or 3 |
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| 14:18.35 | andocromn | alright, i'm not that far then. i just saw that it was stable earier this week |
| 14:18.55 | anddam | themill: sounds too much for names to update, can't I refresh some cache earlier? |
| 14:19.23 | anddam | i hoped a single reboot would cut it |
| 14:19.31 | themill | anddam: sorry... I've not been talking to you at all |
| 14:19.53 | anddam | themill: yep, I figure, I was joking. I know mapper names expires in a week, two tops |
| 14:19.57 | anddam | expire* |
| 14:20.00 | themill | :) |
| 14:20.13 | anddam | galex-713: btw I just realized I can just use /dev/my-vg/my-lv |
| 14:20.22 | anddam | nicer than going with /dev/mapper anyway |
| 14:20.29 | anddam | with those double dashes, I mean |
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| 14:21.43 | andocromn | so many systems to upgrade.... |
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| 14:22.23 | hiexpo | why upgrade |
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| 14:22.49 | hiexpo | fix what's not broken |
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| 14:23.58 | dvs | hiexpo: Because you only have one more year of security support? |
| 14:24.11 | anddam | how do I tell lvextend to use all the space available in the vg? I cannot find an option for that |
| 14:24.17 | anddam | is there one at all? |
| 14:24.46 | anddam | i.e. i removed a lv thus freeing space in the VG, I want to extend another LV attaching to it the freed PEs |
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| 14:25.16 | hiexpo | that's a year |
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| 14:26.16 | dvs | So you're going to upgrade at the last minute? |
| 14:27.02 | hiexpo | for sure |
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| 14:27.36 | hiexpo | whe is fine |
| 14:27.38 | anddam | seems it went fine, I added 170 GB to root |
| 14:28.36 | hiexpo | i don't feel like recompiling all this stuff |
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| 14:31.39 | hiexpo | lot of work |
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| 14:37.03 | guillaume1 | helo i have some problem with kodi ( xbmc ) i want it to stream content to my x-box my box see it i can see all my drive but i can't access nothing |
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| 14:37.25 | guillaume1 | any idea i seek an anser for that since 2 day on google now i came here i hope somone could help |
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| 14:41.12 | yeticry | hello |
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| 14:42.27 | ctmjr | guillaume1: there is a #kodi channel they might be able to help you |
| 14:42.38 | guillaume1 | ho thanks dude :) |
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| 15:00.29 | WangDang_1 | I'm having trouble making a command work. I've used "for file in `find . -type f` ; do md5sum $file >> md5sums.txt ; done" to check mass copies of files to another location. That command is not working for filenames with spaces. Same thing for "find . -type f | xargs md5sum $file >> md5sums.txt" Anyone know how I can make this work for filenames with spaces in them? |
| 15:01.18 | phy1729 | use the -0 flags |
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| 15:02.00 | somiaj | WangDang_1: you can also add quotes. |
| 15:02.14 | somiaj | WangDang_1: but in general spaces can mess up commands in automation unlessy ou say "$file" |
| 15:02.15 | phy1729 | really the only safe way to loop is while read-r $line; do |
| 15:02.32 | phy1729 | read -r that is |
| 15:02.36 | abrotman | just don't use spaces :) |
| 15:02.37 | somiaj | doesn't rsync do checking automatically? |
| 15:02.55 | somiaj | yea I removed spaces from my file names ages ago, rename 's/ /_/g' |
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| 15:03.05 | WangDang_1 | I tried with "$file". no joy |
| 15:03.29 | WangDang_1 | I generally don't use spaces, but ripping CDs you have no choice |
| 15:03.36 | somiaj | WangDang_1: anyways, are you using ssh to copy, any reason why you can't just use rsync to verrify the packages, there is a --checksum option with rsync. |
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| 15:03.48 | somiaj | you can also use rsync locally |
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| 15:04.34 | WangDang_1 | No ssh. this was a "local" copy to a mounted nfs share |
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| 15:04.56 | somiaj | WangDang_1: you can use rsync from one directory to another. |
| 15:05.02 | WangDang_1 | never used rsync, though I've heard lots about it. I guess I should learn |
| 15:05.10 | somiaj | WangDang_1: rsync -ac /source /dest |
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| 15:05.32 | somiaj | WangDang_1: and it will not only run the checksum, it will copy over the file that fails on the checksum |
| 15:05.46 | jack_thompson | http://noisyb.users.sourceforge.net/?c=mouse_acceleration <--- is there really no other way to do this? |
| 15:05.48 | somiaj | also only use the -a if you want permissions and the likes saved. |
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| 15:06.25 | WangDang_1 | Can I use rsync --checksum on files that are already copied? |
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| 15:06.38 | somiaj | jack_thompson: you mean besides using xset every time you load xorg? You can put that info in an xorg.conf to have ti be default, or have your desktop/wm run the xset command as a startup application. |
| 15:06.52 | somiaj | WangDang_1: yup, what rsync does is compare files and only copy ones that have changed. |
| 15:07.07 | somiaj | WangDang_1: witht he --checksum option, it compares the checksum of both files, and then will copy any file whose checksum doesn't match. |
| 15:07.58 | jack_thompson | somiaj, ye.. but i have the same problem as stated there that another app might enable acceleration again |
| 15:07.59 | WangDang_1 | Sweet, thanks alot, though I want to check out that -O option that phy1729 mentioned, too |
| 15:08.22 | jack_thompson | he uses a cronjob to disable acceleration every 60 seconds.. it is a brute-force approach.. |
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| 15:09.48 | somiaj | jack_thompson: yea it is never an issue I notice. People complain my mouse ie extra sensitive, but I like it |
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| 15:10.33 | somiaj | and I've been gamingin on linux for years, never a problem. But I do agree if other problems are changing the acceleration I would file bugreports against the application. |
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| 15:13.31 | WangDang_ | phy1729: I'd already tried adding -print0 to my find command. Didn't know I had to add -0 to xargs, too. Thanks for the hint! |
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| 15:26.25 | iveevue | Any reason why network manager cuts off openvpn connection after ~5 mins of no activity? |
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| 15:27.05 | abrotman | that could be your VPN |
| 15:27.33 | iveevue | plain openvpn works fine |
| 15:27.51 | sunday---------- | Where in my lightdm.conf do I specify it to launch xfce4 instead of debian desktop env? |
| 15:27.54 | somiaj | yea I doubt network-manager is making a connenction go stale. Sometimes it is also the network you are on. even with keepalive configured my ssh shells drop after inactivity. |
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| 15:28.07 | somiaj | sunday----------: are you using auto-login? |
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| 15:29.28 | sunday---------- | somiaj: It's sadly not working but yes I want to |
| 15:29.50 | sunday---------- | autologin-user = sunday autologin-user-timeout = 0 |
| 15:29.53 | somiaj | sunday----------: just checking, because usually you just pick the session you want when you login. |
| 15:29.54 | sunday---------- | is what I uncommented |
| 15:30.05 | somiaj | sunday----------: but then it doens't use the correct desktop envoirment, got it now. |
| 15:30.19 | sunday---------- | but I still get prompted for a username\password + it launches the wrong env yeah |
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| 15:30.41 | somiaj | sunday----------: http://askubuntu.com/questions/62833/how-do-i-change-the-default-session-for-when-using-auto-logins |
| 15:30.44 | anddam | shouldn't python3-virtualenv expose a binary in /usr/bin or so? |
| 15:30.54 | somiaj | sunday----------: this may apply, there is a user-session= option in lightdm.conf |
| 15:31.08 | somiaj | sunday----------: as for how to disable the asking for password, I don't use such things but I'm sure you can find some documentation. |
| 15:31.29 | sunday---------- | alright I set user-session to xfce4 thanks |
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| 15:31.46 | sunday---------- | yeah I don't use such things either it's for my grandmother lol |
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| 15:32.25 | sunday---------- | time to reboot |
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| 15:36.09 | anddam | I mean like python-virtualenv does |
| 15:36.19 | Scramblejams | Why isn't "o=Debian,n=${distro_codename},l=Debian-Security"; the default in unattended-upgrades? I was having to install updates by hand until I added that line. Seems optimal because it tracks the installed distro version. What am I missing? |
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| 15:42.13 | JyZyXEL | who is in charge of judd? |
| 15:42.36 | somiaj | JyZyXEL: do you have a paticular question about judd or is there a bug you wish to report? |
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| 15:42.58 | JyZyXEL | a bug, the "kernels" command produces output that is not correct |
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| 15:43.41 | somiaj | JyZyXEL: what is not correct about it? Here is some info about judd, http://ircbots.debian.net/judd/ |
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| 15:43.57 | somiaj | JyZyXEL: I can pass on the info if you can better explain what is wrong with the output of this |
| 15:44.00 | somiaj | ,kernels |
| 15:44.01 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.19.0-trunk-686-pae (3.19.3-1~exp1); sid: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt9-2); stretch: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt9-2); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt9-2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt7-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.65-1+deb7u2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.65-1+deb7u2~bpo60+1); |
| 15:44.02 | judd | squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze6) |
| 15:45.02 | JyZyXEL | in #debian-kernel topic it says: 2.6.32 squeeze | 3.2 wheezy | 3.16 jessie | 4.0 sid | |
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| 15:45.45 | kombi | got /var/jail in ChrootDirectory and bin/bash in /var/jail, yet I get "/bin/bash: Not a directory". What might I be doing wrong? |
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| 15:45.58 | JyZyXEL | https://packages.debian.org/sid/linux-image-4.0.0-1-amd64 |
| 15:46.07 | somiaj | JyZyXEL: judd sometimes seems to be outdated, not sure how often it updates its database. |
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| 15:47.40 | somiaj | JyZyXEL: I will pass the info on, I have ran into this before. Not sure how often judd's database is updated. |
| 15:47.48 | sunday---------- | somiaj: =[ no luck http://pastebin.com/G69zQiA3 |
| 15:48.07 | sunday---------- | xfce doesn't launch (debian desktop does) and auto-login isnt working |
| 15:48.19 | sunday---------- | the pastebin contains the lightdm.conf file |
| 15:48.32 | JyZyXEL | somiaj: well its definitely too rarely because the 4.0 has been out for almost 2 weeks or so |
| 15:48.34 | sunday---------- | user-session=xfce4 |
| 15:48.37 | sunday---------- | should it just be xfce? |
| 15:49.05 | ctmjr | sunday----------: what does the lightdm logs have to say |
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| 15:49.22 | somiaj | sunday----------: umm, I don't see the auto-login lines that are uncommented, there is so much there I get lost |
| 15:49.42 | somiaj | JyZyXEL: I passed the info on, that is the best I know how to do since I don't know another way to metion bugs in the bots. |
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| 15:49.58 | sunday---------- | ill try this if not ill reboot and read the logs |
| 15:50.15 | somiaj | sunday----------: one second, I think you just may ahve things in the wrong order. |
| 15:50.39 | somiaj | sunday----------: those two options need to be under the [SeatDefaults] as per the wiki, not sure why they are above that line |
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| 15:52.29 | sunday---------- | where would the logs be? |
| 15:52.34 | Joshua133 | hi, there is an annoying problem which has finally bit me in the ass. When you have more than one terminal open it seems as though it saves only the last closed terminal. can these histories be gotten out of a file somewhere? |
| 15:52.54 | phy1729 | depends on your shell |
| 15:53.05 | somiaj | sunday----------: http://paste.debian.net/178957/ |
| 15:53.08 | sunday---------- | thanks |
| 15:53.22 | somiaj | sunday----------: for some reason your [SeatDefaults] line is below those options. I think that is your problem. Your config file should look something like above. |
| 15:53.36 | somiaj | sunday----------: those look like the only three options you want to use anyways |
| 15:53.46 | sunday---------- | that's weird because this is the default config |
| 15:53.49 | sunday---------- | i'll move it though |
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| 15:54.45 | superfast | sunday----------, What the fuck? |
| 15:54.57 | superfast | could you please decrease the -s? |
| 15:55.09 | sunday---------- | ? |
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| 15:55.39 | sunday2134 | are you okay now? |
| 15:55.43 | superfast | Ya thanks |
| 15:55.45 | superfast | :) |
| 15:55.45 | somiaj | sunday----------: please watch the language and stay on topic. Tab completion deals with those --- just fine. (: |
| 15:56.04 | sunday2134 | lol wrong person |
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| 16:03.29 | sunday1231231 | somiaj: that resolved the auto-login issue it wasn't under seatdefaults |
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| 16:04.00 | cluelessperson | can anyone help me with proxypass? I've been trying to get it working for awhile now. |
| 16:04.02 | sunday1231231 | somiaj: but user-session=xfce is under seatdefaults and it's still launching the debian desktop env |
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| 16:04.22 | cluelessperson | hostname.com/folder -> :8000 internally |
| 16:05.13 | somiaj | sunday1231231: make sure you get the correct session name. check /usr/share/xsessions for the session names |
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| 16:06.18 | sunday1231231 | will do thanks |
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| 16:06.38 | sunday1231231 | gnome-classic.desktop gnome.desktop lightdm-xsession.desktopxfce.desktop |
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| 16:06.46 | sunday1231231 | should I change it to xfce.desktop then? |
| 16:06.52 | somiaj | sunday1231231: no xfce should work. |
| 16:06.56 | sunday1231231 | =[ |
| 16:07.02 | dbodax | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:07.21 | somiaj | sunday1231231: sure it says xfce and not xfce4 ? |
| 16:07.44 | sunday1231231 | user-session=xfce |
| 16:07.51 | sunday1231231 | under [SeatDefaults] |
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| 16:08.19 | somiaj | sunday1231231: check logs, /var/log/ |
| 16:08.38 | somiaj | dbodax: you need to be more specific, what is the problem? |
| 16:09.30 | sydney_untangle | dbodax: ask |
| 16:09.34 | sydney_untangle | oops. |
| 16:09.36 | sydney_untangle | sorry. |
| 16:09.39 | sydney_untangle | dpkg: ask |
| 16:09.39 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 16:09.51 | sydney_untangle | ARG! |
| 16:10.08 | sydney_untangle | slinks away |
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| 16:10.20 | sunday1231231 | somiaj: http://paste.debian.net/178959/ |
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| 16:11.56 | mantil | Hello, I installed new Debian and now Kaffeine does not work anymore. Any Idea what I missed? |
| 16:12.24 | somiaj | sunday1231231: line 38, the command it is running for the session is /etc/X11/Xsession default, not xfce. Seems you have it configured correctly not sure why it isn't working. |
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| 16:12.34 | mantil | The USB-stick itself is fine, it still works on another computer with sid |
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| 16:13.33 | shentino | mantil: Could you be more specific? Any error messages? Does it dump core? etc |
| 16:13.35 | mantil | Before I installed this computer new, it did run testing (pre Jessie), now I wanted stable, I started from empty drive. |
| 16:13.43 | sunday1231231 | weird |
| 16:13.57 | mantil | i works for about a second, than the picture turn black |
| 16:14.07 | mantil | after another moment the sound is also gone |
| 16:14.15 | mantil | i guess its buffering |
| 16:14.19 | sunday1231231 | can i just remove debian desktop so it defaults to xfce? |
| 16:14.32 | SynrGy | sunday1231231: that's not how it works |
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| 16:14.35 | mantil | i paste the console to paste, give me a second |
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| 16:15.12 | mantil | http://paste.debian.net/178975/ |
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| 16:15.46 | sunday1231231 | synrgy: why not? |
| 16:15.52 | YellowS404 | hi all |
| 16:16.24 | SynrGy | sunday1231231: what specific command did you have in mind? i'm not sure i understand what you mean by "remove debian desktop" |
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| 16:17.49 | SynrGy | you seem to think "debian desktop environment" is a thing, vs. xfce4 desktop. it is not. |
| 16:18.00 | sunday1231231 | you should be able to purge any desktop environment |
| 16:18.02 | SynrGy | there's no such thing as "debian desktop environment" |
| 16:18.06 | SynrGy | do you mean gnome? |
| 16:18.19 | SynrGy | i've just caught up on the backlog |
| 16:18.22 | sunday1231231 | i figured it was similar to unity |
| 16:18.27 | SynrGy | your terminology is confused, and hence confusing |
| 16:18.30 | sunday1231231 | i didn't check off gnome during the installer |
| 16:18.36 | sunday1231231 | -while installing |
| 16:18.49 | sunday1231231 | no i assumed debian had their own desktop env |
| 16:18.52 | YellowS404 | I am running Jessie on an IPv6 only network and I can't make an apt-get update, is there any ipv6 server that i could set for apt ? |
| 16:18.54 | sunday1231231 | which was a modified version of gnome |
| 16:18.54 | SynrGy | installing which release? it has changed with jessie |
| 16:18.57 | mantil | shentino: can you see anything in the log that helps? |
| 16:18.58 | sunday1231231 | jessie |
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| 16:19.06 | SynrGy | i thought it listed specific DEs now |
| 16:19.12 | SynrGy | though i haven't seen the new installer menus |
| 16:19.27 | SynrGy | "desktop" just means "give me a desktop, i don't care" unless you specify |
| 16:19.28 | ctmjr | it does in tasksel |
| 16:19.32 | SynrGy | and the default is gnome |
| 16:19.33 | sunday1231231 | k |
| 16:19.37 | sunday1231231 | then ill remove gnome |
| 16:19.51 | SynrGy | !remove gnome |
| 16:19.51 | dpkg | To remove or purge GNOME 2.x: aptitude remove ~nlibgnome ~nlibbonobo2 ~nliborbit2 ~nlibgnomeui ~nlibgnomevfs2. Use 'purge' instead of 'remove' if that's what you want (ask me about <purge>). |
| 16:19.58 | SynrGy | this is out of date, sadly |
| 16:20.00 | mantil | shentino: if this helps: i am using the same dpkg -l *xine* on stable as on the other sid system, kaffeine version also the same |
| 16:20.06 | SynrGy | i don't know the gnome3 equivalent |
| 16:20.12 | mantil | any idea what else may be the reason? |
| 16:20.31 | SynrGy | merely removing gnome-* packages may remove things that xfce4 uses. not sure |
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| 16:20.36 | BCMM | i ran out of space during apt-get dist-upgrade to jessie. i have made some space now, but can i make things OK with the upgrade now? |
| 16:20.46 | BCMM | (disk space) |
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| 16:21.22 | mantil | shentino: also kernel has same version |
| 16:21.41 | shentino | I'm not in a position to help, was just pointing out some diagnostic information you forgot to include |
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| 16:21.45 | Brigo | BCMM, when hte upgrade gets interrupted? during downloading or config? |
| 16:21.59 | mantil | ok, thanks anyway |
| 16:22.29 | shentino | but at first glance it looks like something's wrong with your video system. |
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| 16:22.44 | BCMM | Brigo: it got interrupted by me, during unpacking, because it was saying "no space left on device" |
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| 16:23.39 | Brigo | BCMM, and now you have space enought, rihgt? |
| 16:23.42 | abrotman | BCMM: was it already installing packges? |
| 16:23.56 | BCMM | abrotman: unpacking |
| 16:24.00 | BCMM | Brigo: yes |
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| 16:24.14 | abrotman | BCMM: start with 'dpkg --configure -a', and then continue with your dist-upgrade |
| 16:24.20 | BCMM | if it is not easy to fix, i could roll back the VM to a snapshot |
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| 16:24.26 | BCMM | abrotman: thanks! |
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| 16:25.04 | shentino | abrotman: what does dpkg --configure -a do? |
| 16:25.11 | BCMM | btw, why didn't it fall over when it said "no space left on device" |
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| 16:25.30 | BCMM | shentino: iirc, configure any packages waiting to be configed |
| 16:26.51 | cdbob_ | Okay I hate to ask it here but I will |
| 16:26.55 | cdbob_ | Apache or Nginx? |
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| 16:28.09 | shay_shay | nginx |
| 16:28.16 | Brigo | shentino, configure all pending packages. |
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| 16:29.15 | shentino | Ok, question: Why is vlc not showing video? I get nothing but black |
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| 16:33.22 | YellowS404 | Is it possible to run mono-stack IPv6 only debian installation or is there no official ipv6 apt servers? |
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| 16:33.42 | brontosaurusrex | shentino: virtualbox? |
| 16:33.59 | shentino | nope |
| 16:34.18 | shentino | it worked fine yesterday, too. Last significant operation was a dist-upgrade from debian 7 |
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| 16:35.59 | shentino | and it worked after that |
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| 16:37.28 | BCMM | YellowS404: https://www.debian.org/mirror/list-full lists some IPv6 mirrors |
| 16:38.18 | YellowS404 | BCMM, thanks a lot :) |
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| 16:40.47 | HD|Laptop | hello all |
| 16:41.15 | HD|Laptop | what is the debian jessie way of setting up a NAT router system with uplink on usb0 and LAN on eth0? |
| 16:43.41 | Brigo | HD|Laptop, netfilter iptasbles, as usual. |
| 16:44.18 | HD|Laptop | yeah^^ I remember there once was a package which did all the iptables stuff for you |
| 16:44.23 | HD|Laptop | but can't remember its name |
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| 16:45.51 | teraflop | hmm systemd autologin through /etc/systemd/system/getty@tty1.service works like a charm http://mediagoblin.teraflops.info/u/teraflops/m/debian-autologin-systemd/ |
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| 16:47.01 | Brigo | HD|Laptop, may be network-config ? |
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| 16:50.24 | bltzfsck | is there a good central resource for sorting out chrome/chromium, flash, and all that sort of stuff? |
| 16:50.45 | somiaj | bltzfsck: be a bit clearer. |
| 16:51.00 | somiaj | if you use google-chrome's package (they make packages for debian) they should handel it all for you |
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| 16:51.22 | bltzfsck | that's good. install from a tar.gz? |
| 16:51.26 | gasull | How can I know what's the driver being used by wlan0? |
| 16:51.31 | somiaj | if you want to use chromium from the debian repos, just install pepperflashplugin-nonfree from non-free for flash. |
| 16:51.40 | bltzfsck | chromium won't work lkie i'd like |
| 16:51.54 | somiaj | bltzfsck: no they provide a .deb file which then puts a sources.list entry in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ that will keep it up todate when you upgrade. |
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| 16:52.22 | somiaj | bltzfsck: note google-chrome is not supported by #debian, but they do make .deb for debian that in my experience work jsut fine so you shoudln't have much to worry about. |
| 16:52.39 | somiaj | gasull: dmesg | grep wlan0 |
| 16:52.50 | somiaj | gasull: or just dmesg and then look for what drivers are assoiciting with your interfaces |
| 16:52.57 | bltzfsck | can't login somehow, also have problems with adobe flash. jst looking for a basic faq on the whole thing |
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| 16:53.20 | bltzfsck | can't login to chromium anyway, for sync purposes |
| 16:53.31 | somiaj | bltzfsck: google-crhome and chormium no longer support NAPI, this means you can't even use java on either google-chrome or chormium |
| 16:53.55 | somiaj | bltzfsck: if you install google-chrome from google, flash is included. If you install chormium, you as I said need to install the pepperflashplugin-nonfree fron non-free |
| 16:54.00 | somiaj | bltzfsck: I use chromium and flash just fine. |
| 16:54.15 | somiaj | yea I don't use the sync or login features so no comment on that |
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| 16:54.24 | bltzfsck | didn't have luck with pepperflash last time i tried |
| 16:54.28 | gasull | somiaj: thank yo |
| 16:54.34 | gasull | *you |
| 16:54.58 | bltzfsck | i'll try the google .deb, many thanks |
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| 16:58.30 | bltzfsck | somiaj: is there a browser that does java and flash out of the box? |
| 16:59.08 | bltzfsck | somiaj: small is good, one of my devices is a raspberry pi. |
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| 17:01.08 | somiaj | bltzfsck: we don't support rasbianhere, and no there isn't in debian |
| 17:01.29 | somiaj | bltzfsck: if you want java you have to use iceweasel, but then you can only use an outdated flash (adobe hasn't supported flash except for security in linux for years now) |
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| 17:02.04 | somiaj | bltzfsck: if you want a more modern flash, pepperflash is such a thing, and google supports it, but java doesn't support papi, so until java has a papi plugin you can't have java in chrome/chromium. |
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| 17:03.06 | shay_shay | chromium+pepperflash has the best support on raspberry pi, I wonder why its not available for Jessie/arm |
| 17:03.18 | shay_shay | s/support/performance |
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| 17:13.09 | bazhang | is that not a honey pot then |
| 17:13.18 | jelly | sssssh |
| 17:13.28 | bazhang | !ssh |
| 17:13.29 | dpkg | [ssh] the Secure SHell; "aptitude install ssh" (<openssh>). Clients for other platforms include <putty> and <cygwin>. Programs to mitigate against brute-force attacks on your SSH server include <fail2ban> and <denyhosts>. See also <scp>, <sftp>, <ssh without password>, <ssh permissions>, <sshx>, <ssh linedraw>, <debug sshd>, <dropbear>, <ssh-copy-id>, <ssh verify key>. |
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| 17:14.50 | petn-randall | Aren't honeypots supposed to be passive? Why would you need to ban them? |
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| 17:15.10 | bazhang | ban forward to them |
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| 17:16.31 | petn-randall | bazhang: Forward? |
| 17:17.13 | jelly | petn-randall: that $channel-name thing is a ban with a forward, makes the client join a different channel |
| 17:17.21 | bazhang | they leave this cahn for that one |
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| 17:17.43 | bazhang | chan no khan |
| 17:17.49 | bazhang | ugh |
| 17:17.54 | petn-randall | %-) |
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| 17:24.00 | superfast | Does anyone know about a PDFeditor? I just want to add Text over a PDF form and print it but it is design as a form technically but actually is just a scanned form with prefect quality |
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| 17:25.38 | lyonsb | xournal? |
| 17:25.59 | lyonsb | Lots of features, but you can prob. do that with Xournal. |
| 17:26.08 | NeV3rKilL | hello |
| 17:26.10 | lyonsb | (if you've got a tablet with a stylus you could even sign it) |
| 17:26.34 | NeV3rKilL | somebody with experience with routers have any idea about what could this be? https://gist.github.com/anonymous/43532c2464ac1c21bff0 |
| 17:27.23 | NeV3rKilL | sometimes is every 20 seconds or 20 minutes, and I have no idea about what is that |
| 17:27.25 | breedx | just upgraded to jessie and a shiny new 3.16 kernel was built and installed but on reboot it used the old one. how do I enable the new one? |
| 17:27.29 | tuv | are there prebuilt live iso images for testing? |
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| 17:32.16 | sunday--- | anyone know of a program besides gimp i can open to quickly browse through images... each time i load a jpg\png i dont want gimp to load it takes forever |
| 17:32.39 | shay_shay | breedx your /etc/default/grub must be set to use a specific kernel instead of the most recent one |
| 17:33.10 | breedx | shay_shay: cool, I don't have that file. |
| 17:33.38 | sunday--- | hmm maybe gpicview will work |
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| 17:34.18 | breedx | sunday: also gwenview |
| 17:34.25 | WangDang_ | sunday---: ristretto is the default on my system |
| 17:34.41 | sunday--- | thank you! |
| 17:35.09 | shay_shay | breedx: cat /etc/default/grub |
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| 17:35.22 | dondelelcaro | sunday---: I use feh myself. |
| 17:35.31 | breedx | shay_shay: that file doesn't exist on my system |
| 17:35.37 | breedx | it does on my other host tho |
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| 17:38.45 | breedx | shay_shay: ah, I guess I don't even have grub installed. something else must be doing boot management...looking. |
| 17:40.44 | mantil | just for the protocol: me-tv works fine in stable, ill try further and will report iff i find a solution for kaffeine |
| 17:41.40 | shay_shay | breedx: I suppose when you figure out what is doing the boot management you will find your answer :) |
| 17:41.54 | breedx | shay_shay: um, yeah. :) thanks |
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| 17:46.51 | intelikey | wifi rtl8188ee is that supported , without having to jump through hoops, in the current stable version ? |
| 17:47.43 | intelikey | i'm dist-upgrading to stable as we speak. just wondered if that would get my wifi working ? |
| 17:48.56 | vegardx | You sure they are not supported in non-free? |
| 17:49.03 | jelly | !rtl8188ee |
| 17:49.04 | dpkg | Realtek RTL8188EE-based PCIe wireless LAN devices (PCI ID 10ec:8179) are supported by the rtl8188ee Linux kernel driver introduced at Linux 3.10. Firmware from userspace is required (rtlwifi/rtl8188efw.bin) and packaged since firmware-realtek 0.39. Debian 7 "Wheezy" users: for device support, ask me about <bdo kernel> and install firmware-realtek from <wheezy-backports>. |
| 17:49.14 | jelly | intelikey: signs point to yes |
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| 17:51.27 | intelikey | jelly indeed ! |
| 17:51.32 | intelikey | ty |
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| 17:52.06 | theblackbox | hello all, I'm attempting to figure something out with my Bamboo remote agent that is running on a Debian box. I have a simple script that exports and sources a load of things for subsequent stages, but this is failing because it cannot understand "source" ... am I right to believe this is a matter of default shell not being bash? |
| 17:52.26 | nadu | breedx: afaik, /etc/default/grub is not needed necessarily. so you could probably have grub, but no default config file for it |
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| 17:53.34 | breedx | nadu: cool. I'm thinking this thing is using EFI, which is new to me. |
| 17:54.04 | breedx | guess I'll hook up a monitor and actually try and look at what it's doing. :) |
| 17:54.55 | shay_shay | didnt explain his situation very well, its a headless "" ? |
| 17:55.27 | intelikey | `.' |
| 17:56.27 | NeV3rKilL | apt-get upgrade or aptitude upgrade |
| 17:56.27 | NeV3rKilL | ? |
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| 17:57.11 | breedx | so the bootloader is definitely grub, but I don't have grub packages installed. wild. |
| 17:57.27 | shay_shay | breedx: are you dual booting? |
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| 17:57.34 | breedx | shay_shay: nope |
| 17:58.02 | SynrGy | breedx: ls /boot/grub |
| 17:58.08 | SynrGy | breedx: and dpkg -S /boot/grub |
| 17:58.39 | SynrGy | hm. the latter may not yield any results |
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| 17:58.46 | shay_shay | it didnt for me |
| 17:58.54 | SynrGy | it won't |
| 17:58.56 | SynrGy | those are generated |
| 17:59.10 | breedx | SynrGy: http://pastebin.com/9YYdWbqU |
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| 17:59.38 | SynrGy | breedx: and you don't have grub-efi installed? |
| 17:59.48 | breedx | SynrGy: nope. weird huh. |
| 18:00.05 | shay_shay | it must have gotten uninstalled, install it |
| 18:00.06 | breedx | I mean maybe I should just install it as a first step. :) |
| 18:00.08 | SynrGy | looks like grub-efi was used to install |
| 18:00.30 | SynrGy | it's entirely possible a grub-efi not belonging to your system put /boot/grub there |
| 18:00.38 | SynrGy | and installed the bootloader itself |
| 18:00.46 | breedx | SynrGy: yeah that's what I'm thinking -- like at install time. |
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| 18:01.05 | SynrGy | yes. though it really should have installed grub-efi. what did you use to install this system? |
| 18:01.16 | breedx | netinst |
| 18:01.18 | breedx | on a usb stick |
| 18:01.19 | guillaume1 | is there an alternative to rythmbox the new version suck ? |
| 18:01.22 | torpet | whats the difference in the backports naming scheme of bpo80 and bpo8 |
| 18:01.25 | torpet | which one should be used? |
| 18:01.34 | SynrGy | breedx: could the install have been interrupted or steps missed? |
| 18:01.44 | shay_shay | install is done in a chroot so it would have installed grub-efi in your permanent system and then installed grub in /boot/efi ... so thats not what happened |
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| 18:01.51 | breedx | SynrGy: I don't think so. I've done lots of debian installs, this one went smoothly. |
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| 18:02.36 | SynrGy | could it have been installed and later removed? |
| 18:02.41 | shay_shay | ^ |
| 18:02.58 | SynrGy | breedx: check your /var/log/dpkg.log* files |
| 18:03.04 | breedx | SynrGy: it's possible I suppose, but I don't remember it. lemme look... |
| 18:03.56 | breedx | ah yeah, it totally did get removed in the past. |
| 18:04.00 | breedx | it being grub-efi |
| 18:05.39 | breedx | so with modern grub should I have to do anything special for kernels installed in /boot to be found by the bootloader? |
| 18:05.57 | breedx | years ago I used to have to manage grub.cfg by hand, but that's not the case anymore right? |
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| 18:06.34 | nadu | nah, that's not good |
| 18:06.41 | nadu | grub2 is a bit a pain in the ass |
| 18:06.45 | intelikey | breedx update-grub will look in /boot |
| 18:07.00 | nadu | grub2-install doesn't create /etc/default/grub actually |
| 18:07.12 | nadu | so maybe that's why you don't have it anymore |
| 18:07.14 | intelikey | grub2 works for my non-partitioned disks where grub fails |
| 18:07.16 | breedx | grub-efi install did create /etc/default/grub tho |
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| 18:09.06 | breedx | cool, I'm golden now. thanks for the help. |
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| 18:16.40 | Zeranoe | What is the difference between debian-live-8.0.0-amd64-standard.iso and debian-live-8.0.0-amd64-gnome-desktop.iso ? Doesn't Debian use Gnome as its standard windowing system? |
| 18:17.22 | jhutchins | Zeranoe: I believe they're switching to xfce. |
| 18:17.42 | Zeranoe | Really.... |
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| 18:18.48 | shentino | question: Is there a metapackage for the debian base system? That has a dependency on everything required for debian? |
| 18:18.54 | shentino | I know ubuntu has these metapackages |
| 18:19.02 | jelly | Zeranoe: standard has no desktop environment at all. |
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| 18:19.19 | intelikey | and isn |
| 18:19.21 | Zeranoe | jelly: Thank you, I thought it might be that |
| 18:19.31 | intelikey | t lxde the new default |
| 18:19.48 | jelly | Zeranoe: read about the flavors for live images here: https://www.debian.org/CD/live/ |
| 18:19.49 | Zeranoe | That's new to me |
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| 18:20.29 | zinx | shentino: the required packages are marked 'essential'. |
| 18:20.36 | Zeranoe | Can anyone confirm that Debian is going to Xfce and away from Gnome? |
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| 18:21.21 | jelly | Zeranoe: who knows what will happen, the release cycle has just started and that decision doesn't happen early in the process |
| 18:21.34 | intelikey | !default |
| 18:21.34 | dpkg | If you don't know any better, always choose the default. |
| 18:21.36 | jelly | ask again in 18 months |
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| 18:22.10 | Zeranoe | What might be the push behind that? |
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| 18:23.41 | jelly | Zeranoe: it's all hearsay unless jhutchins or intelikey can provide a reference |
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| 18:26.49 | intelikey | http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/LightDM <<< info but not at all intended to prove anything. |
| 18:27.16 | intelikey | personally i hope that does become the new default |
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| 18:27.30 | intelikey | but my vote is worth ? |
| 18:27.57 | jelly | that's not a DE, that's a DM |
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| 18:29.31 | jhutchins | Yeah, that's all I've got but I can look. |
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| 18:33.32 | shentino | ok, silly question: I'm using vlc to watch a movie, but every time skype makes a noise, vlc goes mute for a second |
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| 18:35.58 | SynrGy | shentino: sounds like everything's working properly |
| 18:36.15 | shentino | what, vlc is supposed to mute? |
| 18:36.50 | SynrGy | pulseaudio |
| 18:36.51 | spacebison | skype makes everything go mute. Personally, I find it a bit annoying. |
| 18:38.36 | shentino | So it's skype's fault for hogging the audio every time it needs to beep? |
| 18:38.58 | SynrGy | no. it's not a bug. it's a feature |
| 18:39.07 | SynrGy | pulse discerns between priorities of audio sources |
| 18:39.27 | SynrGy | if i higher priority one (an alert from skype, for example) needs to be heard, the others are muted |
| 18:39.37 | SynrGy | it's not a skype-specific thing |
| 18:39.48 | shentino | I want pulse to play both sounds at the same time |
| 18:39.50 | jhutchins | Ok, in 2013 they were working with xfce, but they switched back to Gnome because of better systemd integration (that's a good thing?): http://www.webupd8.org/2014/09/debian-switches-back-to-gnome-from-xfce.html |
| 18:39.50 | teraflop | I personally find skype annoyying by itself :p |
| 18:39.55 | spacebison | ah |
| 18:40.11 | SynrGy | then you need to figure out the plugin pulse uses to implement this and configure it differently |
| 18:40.24 | SynrGy | personally, i don't know the details. just *that* it does this |
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| 18:42.23 | SynrGy | module-role-cork, according to google |
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| 18:43.15 | jhutchins | shentino: Last time I checked skype didn't do pulse, just alsa. |
| 18:43.25 | shentino | yeah, skype ditched alsa awhile ago |
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| 18:46.46 | somiaj | there is a fake pulse lib that works with skype without using puselaudio, but I ditched skype when it stoped having alsa support |
| 18:47.15 | jhutchins | Clearly I don't keep up on these things. |
| 18:47.45 | shentino | Fixed |
| 18:47.55 | shentino | I just #'ed out the loadmodule in default.pa |
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| 18:48.36 | vegardx | What do you need skype for when you have appear.in? Nothing to install, just web technology. |
| 18:50.03 | somiaj | vegardx: old dogs, skype got its foot in the door and getting people to use different video chat software is a pain. My family doens't use anything except facetime for a similar reason they all love apple products. |
| 18:50.07 | jelly | I don't think skype hogs the audio, it explicitely mutes everything stuff to make you notice |
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| 18:50.49 | somiaj | i.e. most people are already using skype and/or facetime and getting them to use something else is usually more work than getting skype to work on linux. |
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| 18:51.25 | vegardx | somiaj: FaceTime works exceptionally well though. Makes Skype look really ancient. But really, check out appear.in if you need voice/video. No registration, no installation. Just WebRTC or whatever they call it. |
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| 18:53.10 | somiaj | vegardx: the only time I would ever need video chat is when someone requires it of me, and by that time i'm pigon holed into the software since they say...hey we need to talk to you on skype. |
| 18:53.46 | somiaj | and yes it may not be hard in principal to get them to also use appear.in, but in the long run they say, no use skype it is required. |
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| 18:54.49 | vegardx | I've started to refuse to use Skype with clients. People are actually more understanding than I expected. |
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| 18:56.12 | somiaj | vegardx: The last time I had to use skype for work, they let me borrow an ipad and a skype account when i said, I don't want to install skype on my linux box, can we use an alternative. |
| 18:56.57 | vegardx | I feel for you. |
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| 18:57.12 | vegardx | I lost the battle for IRC, so we're using Slack. Can't win all discussions. |
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| 18:59.01 | torpet | any here who is familiar with backport naming? |
| 18:59.10 | torpet | should we use bpo8 now instead of bpo80? |
| 19:00.13 | Zeranoe | What tool can be used to format a drive to fat32? |
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| 19:01.14 | darthanubis | disk |
| 19:01.20 | darthanubis | gparted |
| 19:01.25 | darthanubis | all kinds |
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| 19:03.21 | jelly | ,v clamav-daemon |
| 19:03.23 | judd | Package: clamav-daemon on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.98.1+dfsg-1+deb6u3; squeeze-security-lts: 0.98.1+dfsg-1+deb6u4; wheezy: 0.98.5+dfsg-0+deb7u2; jessie: 0.98.6+dfsg-1; wheezy-updates: 0.98.7+dfsg-0+deb7u1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 0.98.7+dfsg-0+deb7u1; jessie-updates: 0.98.7+dfsg-0+deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 0.98.7+dfsg-0+deb8u1; sid: 0.98.7+dfsg-1; stretch: 0.98.7+dfsg-1 |
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| 19:04.56 | jelly | torpet: if you plan on uploading to jessie-backports, best ask in #debian-backports over on irc.oftc.net |
| 19:06.17 | A|an | I'm going to cut to the chase and ask: to uninstall xboard, which was installed from a tar.gz, can I cd to /usr/local/bin/xboard and run make clean, make uninstall? |
| 19:06.37 | A|an | And that gets every trace |
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| 19:07.17 | somiaj | A|an: if you can 'make uninstall' depends on the source, and you would do that from the source directory you ran make install from in the first place |
| 19:07.31 | somiaj | A|an: if you really need tools to better manage local souce installs look at stow, check-install, etc |
| 19:08.27 | r3m | ,v awesome |
| 19:08.28 | judd | Package: awesome on amd64 -- squeeze: 3.4.6-1; wheezy: 3.4.13-1; sid: 3.4.15-1+b1; jessie: 3.4.15-1+b1; stretch: 3.4.15-1+b1; experimental: 3.5.5-1 |
| 19:08.28 | A|an | yes, will, I'm not certain about where I initially ran the installation...probably from ~/downloads, not sure |
| 19:08.36 | A|an | thanks, though |
| 19:08.40 | shentino | stupid question: How do I allow installs from sid, but not make sid available for automatically upgrading stuff? |
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| 19:09.32 | hiexpo | in your rpos |
| 19:09.38 | hiexpo | repos |
| 19:09.48 | shentino | sources.list? |
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| 19:10.48 | jelly | shentino: installs from sid onto what? |
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| 19:12.15 | `ryban | hello |
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| 19:13.06 | random | hi everybody, i'm trying to use sublime text on debian. when i launch it, i get this message: "sublime_text: error while loading shared libraries: libgobject-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" |
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| 19:13.27 | jelly | random: how did you install it? |
| 19:13.30 | random | however, according to the documentation, this library exists in the package libglib2.0-0, which is installed |
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| 19:14.03 | random | but the documentations says it should be in /usr/lib/i386,linux-gnu, and i found it in /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ |
| 19:14.38 | jerichowasahoax | random: *whose* documentation? Sublime Text's or Debian's? |
| 19:14.42 | random | debian.org |
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| 19:15.04 | shentino | jelly: I was installing vlc from sid because the regular stable version crashed |
| 19:15.10 | random | i tried to make a symbolic link in /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu, but it didn't change anything |
| 19:15.11 | shentino | also, I got a 404 during apt-get update |
| 19:15.12 | shentino | http://privatepaste.com/e04a6f1887 |
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| 19:15.34 | jelly | shentino: installing from sid onto which release? Which debian do you have installed? |
| 19:15.39 | shentino | oh |
| 19:15.43 | shentino | just dist-upgraded to debian 8 |
| 19:16.01 | jelly | shentino: do NOT mix sid into stable. |
| 19:16.10 | random | jerichowasahoax: https://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=libgobject-2.0.so.0&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=unstable&arch=i386 |
| 19:16.14 | shentino | I only pulled one package out of sid |
| 19:16.33 | jelly | shentino: there's no safe way to do it, you're going to get burned sooner or later |
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| 19:17.47 | zacts | jelly: even with a chroot? |
| 19:17.57 | zacts | my idea was to put sid into a chroot |
| 19:18.02 | zacts | and then just run packages from it |
| 19:18.12 | zacts | the package will theoretically only see the chrooted env, no? |
| 19:18.18 | jerichowasahoax | random: are you running a 32 bit or 64 bit system |
| 19:18.21 | random | 64 bits |
| 19:18.29 | random | jessie, freshly installed from the last week |
| 19:18.33 | jelly | random: it sounds as if your software is 32bit and you have a 64bit Debian OS installation |
| 19:18.40 | jelly | zacts: that's basically a separate debian installation, so it doesn't mess with the main system |
| 19:18.42 | jelly | !multiarch |
| 19:18.42 | dpkg | Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch and <multiarch howto>, <multiarch failures>. For the unrelated installer that can install i386 or amd64, see <multi-arch installer>. |
| 19:18.48 | zacts | jelly: ah ok, cool |
| 19:18.49 | jerichowasahoax | random: try "aptitude install libglib2.0-0:i386" |
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| 19:18.54 | random | jelly: i might have clicked the wrong link |
| 19:19.03 | random | i'll try the download again :) |
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| 19:19.17 | shentino | jelly: fixed it. I looked up pinning |
| 19:19.27 | jelly | shentino: pinning won't save you. |
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| 19:20.03 | jelly | dpkg, tell shentino about simple sid backport |
| 19:20.03 | random | oh. that was it. |
| 19:20.10 | random | i'm a total noob. thank for the help! |
| 19:20.36 | srruby | I'm using jwm. Anyone have a jwmrc for jessie that has a volume control applet for jwm's tray? |
| 19:20.47 | shentino | jelly: You mean compile vlc from sources out of sid? |
| 19:21.01 | jelly | shentino: indeed |
| 19:21.06 | shentino | yuck |
| 19:21.55 | jelly | shentino: it's a lot less yuck than accidentally pulling in dependencies from sid and trying to clear that when things breaks |
| 19:22.36 | shentino | I only pulled vlc from sid |
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| 19:23.02 | Lolwhy | I am abandoning debian |
| 19:23.04 | Lolwhy | cuz yea :D |
| 19:23.12 | Lolwhy | no hardware acceleration sucks. |
| 19:23.20 | jelly | shentino: and you left it in sources.list, and you may or may not have been careful about any dependencies |
| 19:23.28 | jelly | Lolwhy: good luck! |
| 19:23.39 | Lolwhy | jelly: I'm probably going to try arch |
| 19:23.51 | Lolwhy | debian just doesnt' seem to support hardware acceleration for video decoding |
| 19:23.53 | shentino | I have sid pinned at -10 |
| 19:24.07 | jelly | Lolwhy: that's fine, best of luck. |
| 19:24.35 | Lolwhy | jelly: I am just wondering if there is a way to get hardware acceleration |
| 19:24.39 | Lolwhy | that's the issue |
| 19:24.40 | jelly | Lolwhy: keep this channel for tech support in Debian, tho. No need to announce your departure. We're not sad. |
| 19:24.53 | Lolwhy | jelly: I know |
| 19:24.58 | Lolwhy | I've been in thsi channel longer than you have probably |
| 19:25.09 | jelly | Good. |
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| 19:25.43 | shentino | I think the best distro would be debian mixed with gentoo |
| 19:26.11 | Lolwhy | Debian is about stability. |
| 19:26.11 | Lolwhy | shentino: that is a horrible idea |
| 19:26.24 | jelly | shentino: it's still not safe enough, and any issues arising from stable+sid mix won't really be supported in here |
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| 19:27.53 | Lolwhy | jelly: they will be supported as much as possible. |
| 19:28.08 | Lolwhy | just because you wont support them doesn't mean others wont. It's a discouraged practice though |
| 19:28.17 | Lolwhy | highy discuraged to mix wheezy and sid. |
| 19:28.24 | shentino | I only did it because the stable version of vlc dumped core |
| 19:28.30 | Lolwhy | even worse with jessie. |
| 19:28.44 | shentino | and bugreport told me to screw off if I wasn't using the latest version |
| 19:28.54 | jelly | Lolwhy: they won't be supported, user will be told to switch to testing+sid or sid or downgrade or reinstall |
| 19:29.06 | Lolwhy | by you. |
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| 19:29.25 | Lolwhy | I among others will gladly provide support |
| 19:29.28 | jelly | Lolwhy: yes, and most other regulars |
| 19:30.10 | jelly | way too easy to screw things up that way |
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| 19:31.07 | shentino | question: If a package in stable blows up and dumps a core, should I still file a bug report on it even if a later version in sid fixes it? |
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| 19:31.35 | Lolwhy | shentino: yes |
| 19:31.41 | shentino | oh ok |
| 19:31.42 | Lolwhy | that way the bug can be documented and fixed. |
| 19:31.55 | jelly | shentino: definitely yes, knowing there's a bug in stable is worth knowing to other users (and the maintainer) |
| 19:32.06 | shentino | might it provoke an upgrade of the version in stable? |
| 19:32.19 | jelly | if it fails for most users, yes |
| 19:32.28 | jelly | shentino: not an upgrade, but a bugfix |
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| 19:56.39 | srruby | Can anyone suggest a volume control applet ? I'm using jwm |
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| 20:01.18 | brontosaurusrex | srruby: volti? |
| 20:01.24 | buildcomplete | Hi ppl. when i do a aptitude update, I get some error messages such as Err http://ppa.launchpad.net wheezy/main Sources: 404.... where are these listed so I can remove them? |
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| 20:01.58 | SynrG | buildcomplete: if it's not in /etc/apt/sources.list then check /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ for files in there |
| 20:03.17 | buildcomplete | thx SynrG, I will have a look. |
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| 20:07.57 | buildcomplete | I ran out of space on /... and I didn't notice before installing a couple of packages, is there someway I can check the integrity of installed packages? |
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| 20:08.53 | buildcomplete | SynrG, the errors are gone now, thx. |
| 20:09.00 | buildcomplete | svn st |
| 20:09.13 | buildcomplete | wrong focus ^ |
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| 20:10.50 | neoncortex | hey, the way that debain starts daemons at boot have changed? i'm using sysv-rc-conf to configure what i want to start at boot, but mpd insist to starts, even if i set it to don't .. |
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| 20:13.55 | bigvalen | Anyone know how to get systemd to tell me why it can't start a service ? (trying to run plexmediaservice, and all I get is "Unit plexmediaserver.service entered failed state"). |
| 20:13.59 | at0m | neoncortex: /etc/default/mpd |
| 20:14.07 | bigvalen | Ideally, I'd get stderr or something and see what it's on about. |
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| 20:15.00 | neoncortex | /etc/default? o.O |
| 20:15.15 | neoncortex | now things change at every release in Linux |
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| 20:17.45 | at0m | mpd has START_MPD=true or it has false. |
| 20:17.57 | at0m | in /etc/default/mpd |
| 20:18.28 | neoncortex | at0m, there is nothing on those file, all lines commented |
| 20:18.49 | at0m | then try adding START_MPD=false |
| 20:18.56 | neoncortex | ok |
| 20:19.02 | at0m | no idea why it does that there, but works for me. |
| 20:19.35 | neoncortex | at0m, i'll try it, thanks |
| 20:20.20 | at0m | same for mpd-sima |
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| 20:35.17 | sideup66 | hello room, thanks again in the past to everyone who helped with the server, im actually almost done :) |
| 20:36.11 | sideup66 | but i have a question about somthing though, for some reason, im trying to disable a service in debian jessie from running at startup, namely my lightdm service and another service, and although they are both set to disable in sysv-rc-conf, they dont seem to disable when i boot the machine |
| 20:36.37 | buu | sideup66: are you using sysvinit or systemd? |
| 20:36.38 | sideup66 | can anyone point me in some direction regarding this? Im not sure if somthing changed in systemd that maybe sysv-rc-conf is not picking up on or somthing honestly... |
| 20:36.49 | sideup66 | buu, sysvinit |
| 20:36.53 | sideup66 | im sorry systemd |
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| 20:37.14 | buu | Um. Presumably its not reading sysv conf |
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| 20:38.26 | awal1 | sideup66: "systemctl disable lightdm.service" should do the job same for other services |
| 20:38.26 | sideup66 | oh, hm, maybe a setting in there perhaps? or is there some command? I did look into it in debian docs and there is update-rc.d but i think that is the command sysv-rc-conf automates |
| 20:38.41 | sideup66 | can try it, hang on |
| 20:39.05 | sideup66 | btw also i had recently switched over from gnome to xfce for the machine, and its working quite a bit smoother :) |
| 20:39.33 | jelly | sideup66: presumably something like "systemctl disable lightdm.service " |
| 20:40.07 | sideup66 | hmmm i got some warnings from that command, let me pastebin the output |
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| 20:40.44 | jelly | sideup66: that was a rough sketch, not a real command -- you want to figure out the real service name |
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| 20:40.58 | sideup66 | jelly, it is lightdm, that is the manager i installed :) |
| 20:41.06 | shay_shay | !tell nadu about jessie/updates |
| 20:41.27 | jelly | sideup66: systemd might have it under a different name |
| 20:41.52 | sideup66 | heres the output of the command: http://pastebin.com/NC1asrVG |
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| 20:42.25 | buu | Seems fine |
| 20:42.52 | sideup66 | buu, why would it display that warning though (?) about current start runlevels being empty |
| 20:42.57 | sideup66 | maybe somthing from sysv-rc-conf |
| 20:43.10 | jelly | sideup66: the insserv warning look like something that's expected when you disable a service |
| 20:43.18 | teraflop | sideup66: systemctl does bash completion that's useful |
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| 20:43.54 | sideup66 | hm sounds cool actually |
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| 20:44.09 | teraflop | As in systemctl disable tab kesytroke |
| 20:44.19 | teraflop | And so on |
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| 20:46.24 | sideup66 | oh sweet |
| 20:46.26 | sideup66 | well i set them |
| 20:46.32 | sideup66 | i guess next step is to reboot and verify |
| 20:46.36 | sideup66 | be right back |
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| 20:47.06 | sideup66 | thanks buu jelly and teraflop |
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| 20:47.14 | sideup66 | ill let you folks know in a minute |
| 20:47.21 | teraflop | sideup66: np |
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| 20:53.03 | sideup66 | no luck :( one of them is stopped though |
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| 20:53.47 | sideup66 | just sad though as i liked sysv-rc-conf :( oh well, maybe im turning off the wrong thing |
| 20:53.54 | sideup66 | maybe x11 needs to be shut off... |
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| 21:01.47 | srruby | brontosaurusrex: Thanks! It's hard to find things in aptitude. I was searching on sound and volume, not audio... I'll try it |
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| 21:07.03 | sideup66 | jelly, no luck, tried that, tried another ubuntu guide where i put somthing in the init folder to override, sysv does not work =\ |
| 21:07.11 | sideup66 | there has to be a way to turn it off... |
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| 21:10.17 | sideup66 | ahhh |
| 21:10.19 | sideup66 | could mask it |
| 21:10.20 | sideup66 | ok brb |
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| 21:10.37 | sideup66 | its somthing between sysinit and systemd apparently |
| 21:10.42 | sideup66 | they kinda get lost in translation lol |
| 21:10.51 | sideup66 | http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/140534/disable-init-d-script-in-systemd |
| 21:10.59 | sideup66 | guy is dealing with a raspberry pi |
| 21:11.03 | f31n | hi i've got some problem with tomcat6 and its heapsize, i actually can't increase it wherever i put the configuration it won't work - is there a solution i can't find in google i miss? |
| 21:11.04 | sideup66 | but it sounds like a similar situation |
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| 21:11.57 | sideup66 | brb, sorry for the constant drop in/out |
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| 21:15.33 | sideup66 | nope |
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| 21:18.24 | sideup66 | btw jelly i think im affected by this bug perhaps... |
| 21:18.25 | sideup66 | systemctl disable display-manager |
| 21:18.27 | sideup66 | oops |
| 21:18.35 | sideup66 | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=769796 |
| 21:18.36 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/769796 in lightdm (open): «systemd: update-rc.d lightdm disable does not work»; severity: normal; opened: 2014-11-16; last modified: 2014-11-17. |
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| 21:20.39 | Walther | Hi folks! Running a debian minimal install and i3 as window manager, trying to get Adwaita dark as the theme for gtk apps. I've managed to have Adwaita appear e.g. in midori but it's the light variant |
| 21:21.24 | Walther | I do have the file .config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini, has (among other settings) the lines gkt-theme-name = Adwaita, gtk-application-prefer-dark-theme = true |
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| 21:27.51 | sideup66 | hmmm does anyone else have a fix? |
| 21:27.57 | sideup66 | im kinda confused as to why this keeps happening |
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| 21:29.11 | teraflop | sideup66: yep |
| 21:29.21 | sideup66 | ? |
| 21:29.23 | teraflop | sideup66: the problem is this: http://ix.io/iC4 |
| 21:29.30 | teraflop | as you can see in the journal |
| 21:29.54 | teraflop | just edit the file and drop the ligghtdm entry |
| 21:30.08 | teraflop | or point it to /dev/null |
| 21:30.37 | teraflop | sideup66: /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
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| 21:31.21 | sideup66 | ok, i pulled up the file in nano, and its blank lol, which i assume is the null we are talking about |
| 21:31.23 | teraflop | anyway sounds a clusterfuck having service overrided by a file, ill take a look at the unit rigt now |
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| 21:31.32 | teraflop | right* |
| 21:32.19 | teraflop | mine was pinting the lightdm binary |
| 21:32.28 | teraflop | pointing *srry |
| 21:32.45 | sideup66 | so i just put lightdm in that file? or put /dev/null? |
| 21:32.53 | somiaj | !nodm |
| 21:32.53 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm gdm3 pdm slim". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (http://www.enricozini.org/sw/nodm/). |
| 21:32.57 | sideup66 | just wow...so its being started by x11...that is funny |
| 21:33.12 | somiaj | sideup66: problem is you have to dsiable each display manager, but all display managers check if they are the default and only run if they are. |
| 21:33.26 | teraflop | i have /usr/sbin/lightdm on /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 21:33.39 | sideup66 | right, because that is the correct default |
| 21:33.40 | teraflop | hehe this is getting weird |
| 21:34.27 | teraflop | sideup66: but with the lighdm.service disabled it was still starting at boot |
| 21:34.32 | teraflop | i mean here |
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| 21:34.54 | sideup66 | lol |
| 21:35.08 | somiaj | that seems strange, if the service is disabled it should not start at boot. Though that doesn't mean something else won't triger it |
| 21:35.17 | somiaj | I think if the service is disabled, something else can triger it. |
| 21:35.17 | teraflop | sideup66: look your journal and grep it for lightdm |
| 21:35.37 | sideup66 | right somiaj , actually i thought that was weird, usually sysv-rc-init does a decent job setting things |
| 21:35.45 | sideup66 | the other service dutifully did what it was told |
| 21:36.00 | teraflop | somiaj: http://ix.io/iC4 |
| 21:36.03 | sideup66 | journal? sorry to be clueless just going deep now |
| 21:36.27 | teraflop | sideup66: yes that thing that keeps track of whats going on ... |
| 21:36.33 | teraflop | ^ |
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| 21:36.45 | sideup66 | yeah, im just not sure where to find that |
| 21:36.56 | sideup66 | i went ahead and wrote false into the default-display-manager file |
| 21:36.58 | sideup66 | which was blank |
| 21:37.09 | somiaj | teraflop: yea seems there is another service you need to disable too. |
| 21:37.26 | somiaj | I will learn systemd one of these years |
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| 21:37.49 | teraflop | sideup66: well, since you are using systemd in your system I think it desserves a little of effort just know how it works |
| 21:37.49 | sideup66 | i was debating just swapping back to sysvinit if it was gonna do all that grief lol |
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| 21:38.05 | sideup66 | im not denying that lol teraflop |
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| 21:38.14 | somiaj | sideup66: debian provides that choice, I am using systemd just because I want to learn it to better support people with problems. (: |
| 21:38.15 | sideup66 | sysv was nice but its time to modernize in some ways ;) |
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| 21:38.31 | sideup66 | dont need 14 services to run my syslog and clock anymore |
| 21:38.47 | sideup66 | in the 80s, sure because i didnt have resources but in 4+ gb of ram being the norm, i dont think its a big thing anymore... |
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| 21:39.12 | abrotman | doesn't have 4GB RAM :( |
| 21:39.20 | somiaj | I do like service files of init.d scripts, but learning systemd is not a trivial task, so many services to keep track of. |
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| 21:39.57 | sideup66 | abrotman, its nice though the world of linux - home server happily runs on 1.2 gigs |
| 21:40.01 | at0m | abrotman: i used to run same services on 1GB recently went to 4GB. feels the same. |
| 21:40.07 | somiaj | I have 5.8 gigs free, so shares some with abrotman. |
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| 21:40.19 | sideup66 | lol |
| 21:40.35 | teraflop | somiaj: no more services, just take a look at the unit http://ix.io/iC6 |
| 21:40.40 | at0m | processes that used 256MB before, use 3 now. |
| 21:40.43 | at0m | 3GB |
| 21:41.05 | at0m | if the machine's happy with that, so am i. |
| 21:41.14 | somiaj | teraflop: oh yea, gotta learn to keep track of .unit vs .service, I will figure it out one day. (: |
| 21:41.17 | sideup66 | also, teraflop its fun because this box was my first little project in linux i wanted to learn, and figured throw myself in a deep end with somthing small-ish |
| 21:41.17 | abrotman | it's just an old laptop |
| 21:41.27 | abrotman | I haven't sold myself on SSD for home use yet |
| 21:41.35 | sideup66 | and my older stuff on here was a hot mess, then i got better, and things got neater |
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| 21:41.54 | sideup66 | and its funny to look back, like my switch to xfce now, soooooo much junk got yanked out |
| 21:41.56 | abrotman | I'd rather drop at it at the store, let them try to figure out how to make 8GB work in the laptop. Every time I've tried has resulted in BIOS anger. |
| 21:42.07 | sideup66 | ouchie |
| 21:42.09 | sideup66 | update it? |
| 21:42.11 | abrotman | (and I need a new kb) |
| 21:42.17 | abrotman | sideup66: update whta? |
| 21:42.22 | sideup66 | abrotman, the bios |
| 21:42.24 | sideup66 | maybe a bug existed |
| 21:42.25 | teraflop | somiaj: that unit fie makes me feel so sad ... |
| 21:42.27 | abrotman | none to update |
| 21:42.28 | teraflop | file* |
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| 21:42.34 | sideup66 | wow lol |
| 21:42.38 | sideup66 | anyways, i gotta split for a bit |
| 21:42.52 | sideup66 | so im going to reboot this again, see if it stays off, if it does, i win, if not ill be back to find out why |
| 21:43.16 | teraflop | Id sy more thats not an unit file that looks an ugly hack |
| 21:43.19 | teraflop | say* |
| 21:43.37 | somiaj | I dno't have any display managers installed so I can't check what my system has. |
| 21:43.48 | teraflop | i do i have vms for that |
| 21:44.03 | teraflop | thats the stock lighdm.service file from jessie |
| 21:44.06 | somiaj | haven't gotten around to install jessie in any vms, |
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| 21:44.51 | at0m | abrotman: my main reason for upgrade was power consumption. that hw upgrade was fully paid for by the electricity bill in I guess under a year. #killawatt |
| 21:45.10 | at0m | depends on usage, ofc |
| 21:45.15 | teraflop | well im scared of that unit file, thats not systemd at all as I said its just a hack |
| 21:45.27 | teraflop | it's |
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| 21:46.48 | somiaj | teraflop: probabaly needs to be that way to comply with honoring the default-display-manager file. |
| 21:47.03 | somiaj | but I did see a few bugs filed against lightdm's service file |
| 21:51.33 | teraflop | somiaj: indeed, "temporary safety check until all DMs are converted to correct" |
| 21:52.55 | teraflop | but that line implies that "all DMs are not converted to correct"? |
| 21:53.42 | somiaj | not sure, just seems that line is checking if light-dm is the default dm and if it is running. It is just strange that the name of the service file is not lightdm.service. |
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| 21:55.27 | teraflop | somiaj: yeah the funny thing is that there's no display-manager.service at all |
| 21:55.50 | teraflop | it does not exists |
| 21:57.24 | teraflop | well, I returm to my stuff |
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| 22:00.41 | telmac | so in the netinst, what does "debian desktop environment" actually end up installing? |
| 22:00.46 | telmac | gnome if you don't specify otherwise? |
| 22:00.51 | dvs | telmac: correct |
| 22:01.08 | somiaj | telmac: at boot you can go into advanced options and select alternative desktop enviorments. |
| 22:01.24 | telmac | I'm going to go with nothing and just install x |
| 22:01.29 | somiaj | (at least in wheezy, I still need to double check that is the same in jessie) |
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| 22:07.22 | ctmjr | somiaj: it did change the choice of dm is part of tasksel now |
| 22:07.38 | ctmjr | dm/de |
| 22:09.32 | somiaj | ctmjr: yea I should test it out then, do you have to go to advanced options in tasksel? |
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| 22:11.18 | orfix | Hi all, I am trying to install a package but I get lots of "unmet dependencies" any idea how I could fix this ? http://paste.debian.net/179160 |
| 22:11.20 | ctmjr | no during the install when tasksel loads you now have an option for different de. |
| 22:11.21 | orfix | Thank you. |
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| 22:16.02 | telmac | orfix: what happened when you accepted it |
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| 22:16.27 | orfix | telmac: I didn't accept any of those solutions |
| 22:16.35 | telmac | how about trying that |
| 22:16.41 | ig0r_ | what is the latest version of Firefox for Debian?? |
| 22:16.46 | orfix | because it will remove lots of other packages wich I need |
| 22:16.51 | hotwings | hi. i want to compile an app in 32bit on a 64bit debian testing install. would gcc -m32 be all thats needed for that? |
| 22:17.04 | telmac | orfix: it's suggesting you reinstall all of them |
| 22:17.30 | orfix | telmac: "Remove the following packages" |
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| 22:18.16 | orfix | telmac: will it reinstall automatically all removed packages ? |
| 22:18.16 | telmac | regardless, you can just reinstall them |
| 22:18.24 | telmac | I looked again and I'm not sure |
| 22:19.05 | orfix | telmac: I really don't want to break my install for now :P but I also need that "snmp" package :/ |
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| 22:19.47 | orfix | telmac: among the packages to be removed "xorg" and "xserver-xorg*" |
| 22:19.49 | ctmjr | !tell hotwings about multiarch |
| 22:19.49 | sideup66 | hey room |
| 22:19.52 | sideup66 | im back |
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| 22:20.17 | joldy | hey hey |
| 22:20.25 | joldy | it's you! |
| 22:20.25 | telmac | orfix: was there not a second solution |
| 22:20.33 | sideup66 | lol joldy |
| 22:20.38 | sideup66 | for great justice. |
| 22:20.43 | orfix | telmac: yes it's on that same output |
| 22:20.49 | orfix | telmac: but it's quite similar |
| 22:21.07 | sideup66 | still couldnt get that working somiaj |
| 22:21.10 | telmac | anyway why does it want to remove all of this |
| 22:21.11 | sideup66 | also i signed on with laptop |
| 22:21.15 | sideup66 | so no more popping in and out |
| 22:21.17 | telmac | what is this package anyway |
| 22:21.25 | sideup66 | im still autostarting? |
| 22:21.27 | sideup66 | *:( |
| 22:21.32 | orfix | telmac: "snmp" |
| 22:21.45 | telmac | yes, what is it |
| 22:21.45 | orfix | netsnmp |
| 22:22.06 | hotwings | ctmjr - your link talks about installing multiarch packages. thats not what i want to do |
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| 22:22.51 | orfix | it's a collection of tools that are used to send SNMP requests to agents |
| 22:23.12 | sideup66 | can anyone help me disable lightdm from autoloading |
| 22:23.14 | orfix | agents = routers, switches, firewalls... |
| 22:23.31 | dvs | !tell sideup66 about nodm |
| 22:23.51 | ctmjr | orfix: run an upgrade on your box "8 packages upgraded, 21 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1599 not upgraded." |
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| 22:24.25 | sideup66 | dvs i did that, and wrote false there |
| 22:24.29 | sideup66 | but it still loads lightdm |
| 22:25.46 | sideup66 | !nodm |
| 22:25.46 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the DM package(s) with "aptitude remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm gdm3 pdm slim". "echo false >/etc/X11/default-display-manager" will also disable the DM, or just hit ctrl-alt-fN to get to a console. nodm is the name of a minimal/automatic display manager (http://www.enricozini.org/sw/nodm/). |
| 22:25.47 | awal1 | Trying to add a keyboard shortcuts to poenbox rc.xml and menu.xml for the following two commands "xset -dpms s off; xscreensaver-command -exit; xfce4-power-manager --quit" and "xset +dpms s on; xscreensaver -no-splash & xfce4-power-manager &" but it doesn't work and I get a syntax error related to ; and &. Is what suggested at the end of this thread https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=79822 a wise and correct solution? or it's just a work around? |
| 22:25.47 | awal1 | If it's a way what suggested in the link, what's the guy suggest exactly? I have 0 knowledge about shell. Under fluxbox those commands work just fine as I wrote them when adding them to fluxbox keys file. So basically my question is how to make openbox execute various commands via rc.xml with a single keyboard shortcut :). Any clue? |
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| 22:26.13 | sideup66 | i wrote false to /etc/x11/default-display-manager |
| 22:26.24 | sideup66 | what would happen if that file were removed actually |
| 22:26.34 | ig0r_ | Mark Milian needs one of those Harry's razors =) |
| 22:26.56 | somiaj | sideup66: you need to look at the actual service file that is starting the display manager. |
| 22:27.03 | somiaj | sideup66: systemctl | grep display |
| 22:27.50 | sideup66 | somiaj nothing shows from that command somiaj |
| 22:27.54 | sideup66 | no output at all |
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| 22:28.23 | somiaj | sideup66: grep lightdm, lets check out the actual service file. |
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| 22:28.44 | orfix | ctmjr: I just did a "sudo aptitude safe-upgrade" hope nothing will break :P |
| 22:28.57 | sideup66 | somiaj just shows the lightdm.service funning as the service is well obviously working |
| 22:29.46 | sideup66 | not sure where that file location is though =\ |
| 22:30.08 | somiaj | sideup66: put teh output of systemctl | grep lightdm and also the contents of /lib/systemd/lightdm.service |
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| 22:30.36 | somiaj | sideup66: at a pastebin, I just dno't use lightdm so I need to have you paste the info. (: |
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| 22:31.42 | sideup66 | pastebin.org/u10pEmdk' |
| 22:31.55 | sideup66 | oops: pastebin.org/u10pEmdk somiaj |
| 22:32.26 | somiaj | sideup66: link isn't working |
| 22:33.12 | A|an | Is including a make uninstall provision standard for makefiles? |
| 22:33.15 | at0m | awal1: i try such strings in bash. then echo them to a script and chmod +x. than use that script instead of the string. |
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| 22:34.05 | sideup66 | thats weird somiaj hang on |
| 22:34.15 | sideup66 | im popping on on that box too for a min lol |
| 22:34.19 | somiaj | A|an: my experience is no, it is up to the programer. |
| 22:34.25 | ctmjr | A|an: if the programmer has half a brain it does |
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| 22:34.45 | A|an | thanks |
| 22:34.48 | sideup66_ | ok somiaj its me (just on that actual pc |
| 22:34.49 | sideup66_ | ) |
| 22:34.51 | sideup66_ | that is weird though |
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| 22:34.58 | BadLuckRyan | My laptop is stuck at "Boot Device Not Found 3f0" and I have no OS installed. It doesnt have a disk drive either.. Anyone know a fix? |
| 22:34.59 | sideup66_ | http://pastebin.com/u10pEmdk |
| 22:35.02 | sideup66_ | try it now |
| 22:35.27 | at0m | BadLuckRyan: booting from? |
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| 22:35.49 | ctmjr | BadLuckRyan: does it have any usb ports? |
| 22:35.51 | BadLuckRyan | Well its a windows pc |
| 22:35.58 | sideup66_ | also lightdm.service is not found in /lib/systemd/ |
| 22:36.09 | BadLuckRyan | But i cant boot anything |
| 22:36.27 | at0m | is that a bios message? get into bios settings and set boot device to th one connected. |
| 22:36.36 | sideup66_ | hello abrotman if your around |
| 22:36.52 | somiaj | sideup66: yea the links just didn't work, it is like you missed a characeter. |
| 22:37.02 | BadLuckRyan | The message when i start up the laptop is "Boot Device Not Found" |
| 22:37.13 | sideup66_ | hm somiaj |
| 22:37.14 | sideup66_ | hang on |
| 22:37.17 | sideup66_ | maybe it goofed up |
| 22:37.26 | abrotman | sideup66_: ? |
| 22:37.37 | at0m | BadLuckRyan: trying to boot from cd or usb? |
| 22:37.43 | sideup66_ | abrotman, just saying hi twas all :D |
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| 22:37.49 | BadLuckRyan | Usb |
| 22:37.58 | BadLuckRyan | My pc has no disk drive either |
| 22:38.05 | sideup66_ | somiaj, try that one http://pastebin.com/pXCL8siE |
| 22:38.53 | somiaj | sideup66_: so now systemctl disable lightdm.service |
| 22:38.57 | at0m | BadLuckRyan: press Del or F1 usually to get into BIOS settings. Arrow to Boot section. Set it up to include your usb. |
| 22:39.09 | somiaj | sideup66_: then look at systemctl again, does it change 'active' to 'inactive' |
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| 22:39.10 | sideup66_ | i had tried that previously..... |
| 22:39.20 | sideup66_ | ok, let me try it again though |
| 22:39.30 | at0m | *press that when powering on |
| 22:39.35 | somiaj | sideup66_: well that says it is active, so lets make it incative. |
| 22:40.11 | sideup66_ | ok, now check the status again? |
| 22:40.14 | sideup66_ | the service is still up |
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| 22:40.36 | awal1 | at0m: hmmm, I'll try to learn about how to do that ;) |
| 22:41.04 | somiaj | sideup66_: it stills ays 'active' even though you told systemctl disable lightdm.service? |
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| 22:41.29 | sideup66_ | same output |
| 22:41.30 | BadLuckRyan | At0m: i do have usb placed first in the bios |
| 22:41.39 | sideup66_ | loaded active running (i am signed into it right now actually) |
| 22:41.50 | sideup66_ | so running i would understand unles that output should say disabled active running |
| 22:42.54 | somiaj | sideup66_: yea I'd have to have it to figure more out. |
| 22:43.05 | somiaj | sideup66_: and don't feel like installing a vm (: |
| 22:43.19 | sideup66_ | understand, its ok, appreciate it thought |
| 22:44.19 | sideup66_ | though* maybe somthing in its conf file can even be toggled, thing is i want it there as it makes turning on/off a desktop a breeze :) but i dont want it always on (no reason to waste memory when mundane tasks can be done on a shell anyways) |
| 22:44.36 | sideup66_ | but its there if i need it so i can just call it to action |
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| 22:46.18 | somiaj | sideup66_: I'm need to test out some stuff in jessie, doing a vm install, we'll see how hard it is for me to disable lightdm in a default xfce isntall. |
| 22:46.49 | teraflop | somiaj: i did, i disabled it |
| 22:47.00 | teraflop | as per I said above |
| 22:48.10 | teraflop | there's a similar bug still open for gdm3 |
| 22:48.59 | teraflop | by similar I mean thet the service cannot be disabled |
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| 22:54.43 | telmac | does anyone know anything about ibus |
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| 22:57.48 | sideup66_ | oh ok somiaj |
| 22:57.50 | sideup66_ | hey teraflop |
| 22:57.51 | sideup66_ | :) |
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| 22:58.31 | sideup66_ | teraflop, does that bug only affect systemd? |
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| 22:58.45 | sideup66_ | also so it was impsosible to disable (im sorry i had to disconnect before and lost the old chatlog) |
| 22:58.47 | teraflop | sideup66_: I do not know if it's a bug |
| 22:59.48 | sideup66_ | i see, so as of now its impsossible to turn off |
| 23:00.12 | sideup66_ | hmmm i didnt want to use gdm3 (as it is quite resource hungry) but i may have to...or try switching to sysvinit to get the system to do what i want |
| 23:00.32 | teraflop | sideup66_: i just replicated the issue again, and i got not starting at boot http://ix.io/iCd |
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| 23:01.52 | sideup66_ | interesting, and it took the setting to disable that time... |
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| 23:02.05 | teraflop | sideup66_: but again I think something weird is happening |
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| 23:02.55 | sideup66_ | weird i have my lightdm.service file open, but see no place to enter somthing to disable it....i know its quick + dirty but what if i were to move the script out of that folder |
| 23:03.40 | teraflop | sideup66_: maybe related to alternatives, no idea |
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| 23:04.33 | sideup66_ | execstartpre does start a shell, then cats /etc/x11/default_display_manager 2>/dev/null |
| 23:04.42 | sideup66_ | i dont know if that should point the output to null or not |
| 23:04.48 | somiaj | sideup66_: you don't disable/enable services in the file, this is a setting inside of systemd. The service file just contains info about the service. |
| 23:04.49 | teraflop | sideup66_: i just edited /etc/X11/default-display-manager and put /dev/null instead of the patch to the lighdm binary |
| 23:05.04 | teraflop | path* |
| 23:05.21 | sideup66_ | i see somiaj |
| 23:05.38 | sideup66_ | still |
| 23:05.45 | sideup66_ | this is kinda squirrley |
| 23:05.46 | sideup66_ | squirrely |
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| 23:05.53 | ctmjr | teraflop: i did the same it kicks out about of errors on boot but lightdm does not start |
| 23:06.20 | sideup66 | hm ctmjr let me try it |
| 23:06.33 | sideup66 | (im staying on here because i signed in on my laptop too) |
| 23:06.45 | ctmjr | *a ton of errors |
| 23:07.32 | sideup66_ | oh wait |
| 23:07.40 | sideup66_ | i had a keyboard fail when i made the file originally (lol) |
| 23:08.08 | teraflop | sideup66_: what ca I say, give a try masking x11-common.service? |
| 23:08.12 | teraflop | can I * |
| 23:08.29 | teraflop | sideup66_: heh typo¿ |
| 23:08.36 | sideup66_ | yeah, hang on, i made one too |
| 23:08.43 | sideup66_ | i put a defult service in my /etc/X11 |
| 23:08.44 | sideup66_ | lol |
| 23:08.45 | sideup66_ | oops |
| 23:08.51 | teraflop | ouch |
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| 23:09.05 | sideup66_ | yeah, i typed wrong the first time |
| 23:09.14 | sideup66_ | lets see what that does real quick if it stays off, i win |
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| 23:10.14 | sideup66 | rebooting |
| 23:10.15 | sideup66 | lol |
| 23:10.37 | sideup66 | lol this machine is so old |
| 23:10.41 | sideup66 | pc133 dimm |
| 23:10.48 | teraflop | ctmjr: if I disable the service, edit the file and reboot in that order I do not see errors, but there are a lot when trying to enable again unless i edit /etc/X11/default-display-manager to its original state first and then reboot |
| 23:11.19 | sideup66 | that is weird actually |
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| 23:11.30 | sideup66 | just got to terminal, give it a minute, see if it tries to load |
| 23:11.39 | teraflop | sideup66: nah, i think itll be fixed eventually |
| 23:12.04 | teraflop | or just docummented the right way of doing that stuff |
| 23:12.11 | sideup66 | tera, well if that will turn it off i can leave the file like that then maybe edit the script |
| 23:12.16 | sideup66 | or file then launch it |
| 23:12.23 | sideup66 | and yup, staying on shell, its of |
| 23:12.25 | sideup66 | off* |
| 23:12.39 | teraflop | sideup66: no lightdm? |
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| 23:12.49 | ctmjr | teraflop: ok i did not disable it i just edited the file and rebooted |
| 23:13.07 | sideup66 | teraflop yeah after editing that file |
| 23:13.18 | sideup66 | it stayed off, now i forgot i tried to mask it before, gotta unmask |
| 23:13.34 | teraflop | sideup66: remember to revert the change prior enabling the service again |
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| 23:14.36 | sideup66 | yeah it reads in that file before starting |
| 23:14.40 | teraflop | sideup66: disabling gdm3 is weird stuff too heh |
| 23:14.51 | sideup66 | thats why its doing that, and hmm never had that problem before with it teraflop |
| 23:15.04 | sideup66 | just disabled it inside of sysv-rc-conf, worked perfectly lol |
| 23:15.07 | somiaj | is waiting for his install to complete. |
| 23:15.25 | sideup66 | and yeah, see if fails on that line, i think it gets the executable path from there |
| 23:15.40 | sideup66 | what was the original file contents again actually teraflop =\ |
| 23:15.49 | teraflop | sideup66: it's not systemd related, it's debian related, I do systemd in centos exherbo and archlinux and I didnt noticed that issue |
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| 23:16.39 | sideup66 | wait i found it |
| 23:16.39 | teraflop | Im sure itll be fixed or well explained |
| 23:16.50 | sideup66 | and i think i see a way to fix that without constantly changing that teraflop |
| 23:17.06 | sideup66 | i could also edit the .service file to instead of that check, just execute the lightdm process |
| 23:17.20 | teraflop | sideup66: don't do that way |
| 23:17.33 | sideup66 | its checking x11 to see if its default, and looking for a string match |
| 23:17.59 | teraflop | sideup66: if you want override systemd units put then in /etc/systemd/system and reenable again |
| 23:18.04 | somiaj | sideup66: don't edit service files provided by a .deb, copy the service file to /etc/systemd/system and edit the copy. But if you are having to edit the service file either ther eis a bug or you are doing somethign wrong. |
| 23:18.07 | teraflop | sideup66: yes I told you so ` |
| 23:18.09 | teraflop | ^ |
| 23:19.02 | sideup66 | yeah i found it lol |
| 23:19.02 | sideup66 | sorry |
| 23:19.27 | sideup66 | yeah teraflop i was gonna backup the original |
| 23:19.31 | sideup66 | but i can just edit that script |
| 23:19.45 | sideup66 | basically what it does, it forces a fail condition when it tries to laod that script, thats all |
| 23:19.51 | sideup66 | itll probably get fixed |
| 23:19.54 | sideup66 | as said |
| 23:20.22 | sideup66 | i can make it pretty in my autostart script too, and have it edit the file in x11 for me ;) |
| 23:20.30 | sideup66 | well not autostart script |
| 23:20.40 | sideup66 | but just use a turn on the desktop script to launch it |
| 23:20.44 | teraflop | sideup66: just put the edidted unit with your changes in /etc/systemd/system wit the very same name and reenable the service, itll be overrided |
| 23:21.20 | teraflop | hmm sorry for my typos |
| 23:21.24 | sideup66 | ohhh ok, so use an edited file yeah, that is what i was saying to do lol |
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| 23:21.36 | sideup66 | originally |
| 23:21.44 | sideup66 | rather than playing with the x11 file |
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| 23:21.55 | teraflop | /etc/systemd/system takes precedence over /lib/systemd |
| 23:22.02 | sideup66 | and keep a copy of the original file so incase it changes can roll back |
| 23:22.22 | teraflop | sideup66: the original file will remain in /lib/systemd/whatever |
| 23:22.40 | somiaj | the original will also be overwitten with the next upgrade of a package |
| 23:22.42 | dvs | sideup66: don't touch the original file |
| 23:22.52 | teraflop | somiaj: yes, |
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| 23:24.11 | sideup66 | you sure itll read from there teraflop |
| 23:24.28 | sideup66 | it doesn't have any script files other than journald, bootchard, logind, etc |
| 23:24.32 | teraflop | from /etc/systemd? |
| 23:24.35 | sideup66 | in /etc/systemd |
| 23:24.35 | sideup66 | yes |
| 23:24.37 | teraflop | i pretty sure |
| 23:24.39 | teraflop | heh |
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| 23:25.00 | teraflop | just reenable the service do the system picks the one in /etc/systemd |
| 23:25.30 | teraflop | s/to/so |
| 23:25.42 | sideup66 | alright |
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| 23:25.51 | sideup66 | so copy from lib to there, make edit then restart systemd |
| 23:25.58 | teraflop | yep |
| 23:26.00 | sideup66 | k |
| 23:26.02 | sideup66 | hang on lol |
| 23:26.09 | somiaj | I think you want /etc/systemd/system for .service files |
| 23:26.34 | sideup66 | yeah i looked in there, there is another old program i use from sysvinit that has a .service file in /etc/systemd/system |
| 23:26.43 | teraflop | edit, systemd reenable service, and reboot |
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| 23:27.47 | teraflop | heh |
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| 23:30.07 | sideup66 | oh i didn't reenable the service, i edited the file but rebooted after thinking i had to reload the systemd service lol |
| 23:30.09 | sideup66 | hang on |
| 23:30.10 | sideup66 | oops |
| 23:31.10 | sideup66 | lol teraflop lerning to linux http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/744/952/c65.jpg |
| 23:31.57 | teraflop | with systemd theres a way of doing autologin into getty@ttyX and then doing autostart from the zsh/bash_profile so you do autologin into your DE/WM user session automagically |
| 23:32.19 | sideup66 | yeah but i dont always need it teraflop |
| 23:34.41 | sideup66 | also teraflop lol |
| 23:34.51 | sideup66 | that actually made my screen res go flukey lol |
| 23:34.56 | sideup66 | i dont know how -_- |
| 23:34.57 | sideup66 | wow |
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| 23:35.56 | shay_shay | uh |
| 23:36.05 | teraflop | sideup66: what does mean flukey? im not native (as you can guess by my typos) |
| 23:36.42 | sideup66 | weird lol, i lost my screen resolution setting somehow, and i couldnt reset it |
| 23:36.50 | shay_shay | [[ -z $DISPLAY && $XDG_VTNR -eq 1 ]] && exec startx |
| 23:36.51 | sideup66 | that was ummmm |
| 23:36.52 | sideup66 | funny |
| 23:37.10 | teraflop | shay_shay: yep |
| 23:37.11 | shay_shay | that's for your .bash_profile .zprofile |
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| 23:37.15 | teraflop | mine? |
| 23:37.19 | shay_shay | no |
| 23:37.21 | shay_shay | :D |
| 23:37.24 | teraflop | heh |
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| 23:37.34 | shay_shay | sideup66's |
| 23:37.49 | shay_shay | and --autologin with agetty or whatev' |
| 23:38.21 | sideup66 | lol yeah i could, oh wait too i forgot to put the x11 file back |
| 23:38.22 | teraflop | shay_shay: i tested that way in jessie works ok http://mediagoblin.teraflops.info/u/teraflops/m/debian-autologin-systemd/ |
| 23:38.25 | sideup66 | maybe that had somthin to do with it |
| 23:38.29 | sideup66 | i thought it was a moon... |
| 23:38.33 | teraflop | xD |
| 23:39.15 | sideup66 | lol yeah now the desktop is back to normal lol |
| 23:39.42 | shay_shay | that's better than using lightdm |
| 23:39.55 | teraflop | sure heh |
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| 23:39.57 | shay_shay | cut out the middle man |
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| 23:40.54 | sideup66 | lol, yeah its just easier to manage when i run two commands and turn on a remote desktop ad the desktop at once lol |
| 23:41.09 | sideup66 | i dont want backdoors so i keep the service off unless needed |
| 23:41.45 | sideup66 | i just want to be able to shut it off shay_shay without rebooting lol |
| 23:41.50 | sideup66 | so this way is easy for my needs :p |
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| 23:48.43 | sideup66 | teraflop |
| 23:48.49 | sideup66 | that made no difference putting it there lol |
| 23:48.56 | sideup66 | it just turns on again |
| 23:48.57 | sideup66 | lmao |
| 23:49.01 | teraflop | edited? |
| 23:49.50 | sideup66 | putting the script file in /etc/systemd/system with the prestart check editied out |
| 23:49.54 | sideup66 | it still starts up |
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| 23:50.01 | sideup66 | unlesss....hmmmmmm |
| 23:50.49 | teraflop | sideup66: teake a look at /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 23:51.03 | teraflop | take* |
| 23:52.45 | sideup66 | i know that teraflop |
| 23:53.14 | sideup66 | but i moved the .service file to /etc/systemd/system (wasn't in system at first) sorry |
| 23:53.16 | sideup66 | lol |
| 23:54.31 | teraflop | sideup66: i suggest a break ;) |
| 23:54.42 | sideup66 | i just had one teraflop |
| 23:54.44 | sideup66 | lol |
| 23:54.54 | sideup66 | also have class monday, so at that point freetime = null |
| 23:55.09 | sideup66 | also i know about that file teraflop |
| 23:55.43 | teraflop | ^ and what do you know? |
| 23:56.17 | teraflop | nah im going to sleep it's late here, good nite |
| 23:56.47 | sideup66 | about changing its value lol |
| 23:56.49 | srg | I'm running Xfce4 with Mousepad as my text editor. It seems that Mousepad isn't saving any preferences. It keeps reverting back to the original default settings after I close it and open it again. |
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| 23:57.11 | sideup66 | im saying im going to just make my script edit the file to the correct string when i need the desktop, and back to null to turn it off |
| 23:57.23 | sideup66 | the one i use from ssh to turn on the desktop when its needed |
| 23:57.28 | sideup66 | i mean false |
| 23:57.38 | sideup66 | im sure itll be fixed eventually |
| 23:57.44 | sideup66 | but thanks anyway teraflop |
| 23:57.56 | sideup66 | oh wait |
| 23:58.10 | sideup66 | my next adventure possibly is to look at moms laptop =\ stupid windows 8 is being windows |
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| 23:58.48 | teraflop | sideup66: dont count on me for that M$ thing ;) |
| 23:58.49 | shay_shay | my mom is running Linux now |
| 23:58.51 | teraflop | heh |
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| 23:59.01 | sideup66 | lol teraflop she isn't bad on computers lol |
| 23:59.12 | sideup66 | she uses common sense 2015 365 honestly |
| 23:59.20 | sideup66 | and a basic av but windows is just being stupid |
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| 23:59.50 | intelikey | may i ask if i may ask a question |
| 23:59.57 | teraflop | sideup66: my father uses gnome and i have more relax since the switch |
