| 00:00.45 | drumr77 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:01.12 | chalcedny | SynrG, dvs so it should have gotten firmware-linux-nonfree ? |
| 00:01.29 | chalcedny | (i removed the line) |
| 00:01.38 | dvs | chalcedny: yes, but it might have not taken because of the error. |
| 00:01.52 | chalcedny | ok ill do update and upgrade again |
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| 00:03.05 | chalcedny | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 00:03.10 | SynrG | chalcedny: and i'm off to bed. but these fine folks can help. gnite |
| 00:03.23 | SynrG | chalcedny: did you 'apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree'? |
| 00:03.26 | chalcedny | SynrG, thanks very much! rest well :) |
| 00:03.30 | chalcedny | no |
| 00:03.33 | chalcedny | :) |
| 00:03.34 | chalcedny | next |
| 00:03.34 | SynrG | do that |
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| 00:04.26 | chalcedny | update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-3.2.0-4-amd64 |
| 00:04.26 | chalcedny | W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168f-2.fw for module r8169 |
| 00:04.34 | chalcedny | and lots of possibly missing lines |
| 00:06.35 | chalcedny | dvs, still here? |
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| 00:07.13 | dvs | chalcedny: you need firmware-realtek |
| 00:07.47 | chalcedny | dvs ah ok apt-get install firmware-realtek ? |
| 00:07.55 | dvs | yes |
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| 00:08.01 | chalcedny | tyvm :) |
| 00:09.04 | chalcedny | dvs ok i have that :) |
| 00:09.14 | chalcedny | dvs what's next? |
| 00:09.20 | dvs | ??? |
| 00:09.25 | dvs | what were you doing? |
| 00:09.46 | chalcedny | trying to get my gui to work on this other computer |
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| 00:10.34 | dvs | Oh. firmware-realtek has nothing to do with graphics but your wifi should work now. |
| 00:10.41 | chalcedny | SynrG, was helping |
| 00:11.13 | chalcedny | ah that's nice. (remind me to tell you (or don't) about the microwave and the router.. ) |
| 00:11.21 | dvs | chalcedny: If you have a Radeon graphics chip then it should work if you reboot. |
| 00:11.35 | chalcedny | dvs ooh! let's try that |
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| 00:13.28 | chalcedny | wow! |
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| 00:14.39 | chalcedny | it even knows what day it is :) |
| 00:15.41 | awal1 | Is there a way/an app/utility which can display in terminal in real time what is done, which commands are run in the background by x program in gui mode? |
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| 00:21.19 | Rikairchy | well, I managed to include a wget command to pull the file to /etc/init.d/ |
| 00:22.04 | Rikairchy | the only problem is, if I run it using 'service pkg start' it tells me "Failed to start pkg.service: Unit pkg.service failed to load: No such file or directory." |
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| 00:22.34 | Rikairchy | it's already +x, and if I do '/etc/init.d/pkg start' it runs fine |
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| 00:26.56 | cmhobbs | can someone point me to documentation on how to upgrade from wheezy to jessie? thanks in advance |
| 00:27.09 | darthanubis | the website |
| 00:27.31 | dvs | cmhobbs: https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 00:27.34 | un214 | I edited /etc/apt/sources.list changing all wheezy to jessie then apt-get update followed by fix brokens followed by apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 00:29.02 | un214 | ugh they still teach debug shell in initrd and what to do |
| 00:29.18 | un214 | with most systems these days you can do nothing as it hasn't loaded the USB keyboard driver yet |
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| 00:30.43 | chalcedny | how do i get icewasel to give me the file edit view etc at the top? |
| 00:31.14 | un214 | alt key |
| 00:31.36 | dvs | it's called a menu |
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| 00:33.43 | chalcedny | uh that ty dvs un214 :) |
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| 00:36.59 | DANtheBEASTman | I have apt telling me I have a lot of pacakges 'automatically installed and are no longer required', can I find out what they initially depended on? |
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| 00:37.43 | chalcedny | dvs, un214 what's the current version of iceweasel? |
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| 00:39.41 | DANtheBEASTman | chalcedny: sudo apt-get update && apt-cache show iceweasel |
| 00:39.53 | dvs | ,v iceweasel |
| 00:39.54 | judd | Package: iceweasel on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 31.3.0esr-1~deb7u1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 31.6.0esr-1~deb7u1; stretch: 31.6.0esr-1; jessie: 31.6.0esr-1; wheezy-security: 31.7.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 31.7.0esr-1~deb8u1; sid: 38.0-2 |
| 00:40.18 | DANtheBEASTman | oo that's handy |
| 00:41.26 | chalcedny | so i guess i'm up to date wheezy 31.7 |
| 00:41.49 | un214 | no you're not |
| 00:41.55 | chalcedny | ah |
| 00:42.08 | un214 | wheezy doesn't have latest iceweasel |
| 00:42.21 | Pixionus | course not |
| 00:42.27 | zacts | the mozilla.debian.net seems to have outdated instructions |
| 00:42.32 | zacts | as far as jessie is concerned |
| 00:42.44 | zacts | it still thinks jessie is testing |
| 00:42.48 | DANtheBEASTman | I uh, I use firefox binary straight from mozilla and install/symlink to /opt |
| 00:42.54 | zacts | wait |
| 00:42.57 | zacts | they fixed it |
| 00:43.07 | zacts | last I checked was the mid of last week I think |
| 00:43.09 | zacts | so \o/ |
| 00:43.17 | chalcedny | DANtheBEASTman, until lately i had firefox on debian too. i might miss it soon |
| 00:43.28 | zacts | (maybe now I can get keysnail to work in firefox) |
| 00:43.33 | zacts | *iceweasel |
| 00:45.08 | chalcedny | my current battle (on windows) is with flashplayer, crashing and nearly killing everything i'm doing |
| 00:46.01 | un214 | I disabled it |
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| 00:47.52 | chalcedny | un214, i do news. have to have video etc. pita. |
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| 00:48.22 | un214 | you're asking on #debian, what answer do you expect? |
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| 00:48.58 | zacts | yay keysnail works now! |
| 00:49.54 | Pixionus | chalcedny: disable it otherwise anyway and allow the times you actually want it |
| 00:50.04 | Pixionus | I think flashblock had that functionality. |
| 00:50.15 | Pixionus | Will increase times between crashes |
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| 00:51.09 | telmac | so I asked for help with a problem with opengl a few hours ago |
| 00:51.21 | telmac | and someone started and then left |
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| 00:52.00 | chalcedny | telmac, helpers aren't paid |
| 00:52.15 | telmac | indeed! |
| 00:52.27 | telmac | anyway is there anyone online who knows about fixing opengl |
| 00:52.43 | chalcedny | Pixionus, do you know what i need to set to do that (use flashplayer only when needed) on iceweasel? |
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| 00:53.39 | Pixionus | same thing |
| 00:53.47 | Pixionus | iceweasel is firefox |
| 00:53.53 | chalcedny | heh ok |
| 00:54.04 | Pixionus | though it might have the block flash option like I think firefox now has |
| 00:54.26 | chalcedny | i think i had to get a plugin |
| 00:54.47 | Pixionus | then if I remember correctly, all flash is blocked and replaced with a little icon in a box. You click on icon to activate that object |
| 00:55.05 | Pixionus | Then that flashblock is probably the plugin for you. |
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| 00:59.50 | DANtheBEASTman | I have apt telling me I have a lot of pacakges 'automatically installed and are no longer required', can I find out what they initially depended on? |
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| 01:01.10 | abrotman | DANtheBEASTman: probably not anymore |
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| 01:06.11 | awal1 | I have a question not really debian related but I dont find useful info in the web. Why having same apps in a gnu/linux OS, tell debian, and in windows, debian use less then 10 gb of disk but windows like 60 gb? |
| 01:06.30 | DrDisconsented | Bigger OS |
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| 01:07.01 | DrDisconsented | Its probably due to left over code that they have been slowly working through |
| 01:07.48 | awal1 | debian base system with kde (biggest and heaver gnu/linux DE, with almost all what an ordinary user need = 4/5 gb; windows base system 45/50 :D |
| 01:10.08 | awal1 | so basically, windows is like a big bull shit with a lot of crap :D |
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| 01:12.03 | awal1 | my roommate is updating his windows machine, since 1 hour now, restarting and restarting :D |
| 01:12.44 | awal1 | jessie installation + all programs I need and updating it took me less then 1 hour |
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| 01:13.54 | dvs | awal1: Probably not the first install you did. |
| 01:14.27 | awal1 | dvs: no the first 1, dozens maybe :P |
| 01:14.48 | awal1 | not ^ |
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| 01:44.28 | preyalone | SynrG: i've got my first debootstrap-generated docker image, ubuntu vivid! https://github.com/mcandre/docker-ubuntu shouldn't be too hard to debootstrap my way down to woody :) |
| 01:44.34 | preyalone | and then slink ftw |
| 01:45.32 | un214 | what are you upto preyalone? |
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| 01:47.14 | dvs | !wayttd preyalone |
| 01:47.15 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, preyalone? |
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| 02:00.13 | SM0TVI | Okay, I have a problem... I upgraded from wheezy to jessie, and jessie raped my desktop :( |
| 02:00.35 | SM0TVI | thought the concept of 'stable' meant it /WOULDN'T/ do that. |
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| 02:00.46 | SM0TVI | Guess I was wrong. |
| 02:01.08 | SM0TVI | I can't even access the root terminal. |
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| 02:01.53 | dvs | SM0TVI: No, the concept of stable means that once a version is finalized, only security updates and minor upgrades are permitted. |
| 02:02.09 | dvs | s/minor upgrades/some big fixes/ |
| 02:03.57 | themill | You also need to learn how to describe problems in a way that makes people want to help you |
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| 02:06.06 | Lokathor | I added an experimental repo to my list and did an "apt-get update", and i have the package "ghc" installed, and i want to move up to the experimental version, but "apt-get install ghc" doesn't seem to change anything. |
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| 02:06.48 | abrotman | Lokathor: man apt-get, see -t |
| 02:07.09 | Lokathor | i thought i remembered a -t option, but apt-get --help didn't list it |
| 02:07.32 | dvs | Lokathor: use the man pages |
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| 02:08.30 | Lokathor | yeah there seems to be way more options in the man page than --help mentions |
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| 02:11.13 | un214 | I wonder if SMOTVI ran into the USB keyboard driver's loaded too late problem. |
| 02:11.44 | dvs | is guessing that GRUB didn't run properly |
| 02:12.00 | un214 | that would do it pretty good too |
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| 02:12.17 | SM0TVI | un214: No, I ran into broken gnome and broken xfce problem. When I open synaptic in gnome, I can't even freaking get the window to open! |
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| 02:12.38 | SM0TVI | dvs: But if that's what you like, I can always install Ubuntu. |
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| 02:12.47 | dvs | sure, no prob |
| 02:12.49 | abrotman | SM0TVI: Please, go ahead |
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| 02:13.09 | themill | don't let us hold you and your witty repartee back |
| 02:13.10 | SM0TVI | Then why distribute something which /clearly/ does not work. |
| 02:13.15 | un214 | they really don't care if you leave SMOTVI |
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| 02:13.46 | SM0TVI | un214: Well, maybe they care when they realize how many machines will leave too :3 |
| 02:13.56 | abrotman | four? |
| 02:13.57 | dvs | not really |
| 02:14.06 | un214 | if that is the quality of your bug reports, not really |
| 02:14.41 | SM0TVI | dvs: So what you're saying is that synaptic's window in gnome being totally inaccessible is a feature, not a bug o.O ? |
| 02:14.58 | SM0TVI | dvs: Because that is what happened to me. |
| 02:15.10 | abrotman | "Things don't work, please help me .. you don't need any information, just fix it" |
| 02:15.18 | SM0TVI | dvs: I was lucky to have xfce and lxde installed so I could access it that way. |
| 02:15.18 | un214 | let me guess, you tried to run wheezy -> jessie in synaptic |
| 02:15.44 | SM0TVI | un214: Do I look like that order of magnitude of a n00b? No, I did it over SSH. |
| 02:15.57 | themill | SM0TVI: you're behaving like one, so yes |
| 02:16.04 | dvs | SM0TVI: Sure it's a bug but I doubt it's unfixable. And you did follow the upgrade instructions, didn't you? |
| 02:16.16 | SM0TVI | dvs: Yes I did. |
| 02:17.05 | SM0TVI | apt-get {update,upgrade,dist-upgrade} followed by renaming the lists of repositorires, followed by the three again, followed by reboot. How so? |
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| 02:18.47 | dvs | SM0TVI: Seems right. |
| 02:19.07 | un214 | now the question is is anybody willing to deal with this broken gnome issue. I'm out. I consider gnome a bug. |
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| 02:19.23 | SM0TVI | un214: As do I. |
| 02:19.24 | dvs | I don't use Gnome either. |
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| 02:19.57 | SM0TVI | wishes he had known of this bug before he upgraded a machine which depends on being usable by someone who doesn't have the slightest about gnome (*spit*) |
| 02:20.45 | un214 | can't be bothered to try to cobble together a set of downgrade instructions |
| 02:20.49 | abrotman | including you? |
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| 02:21.56 | un214 | SM0TVI: wanna try for Xnest? |
| 02:22.04 | SM0TVI | un214: ? |
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| 02:22.17 | un214 | a stupid way of running two window managers at once |
| 02:22.45 | SM0TVI | abrotman: I can handle gnome without punching a fist through an LCD monitor. The intended user can't. Now See My little problem? |
| 02:22.55 | abrotman | Yes .. you |
| 02:23.07 | abrotman | You still haven't described the problem with any detail besides ranting |
| 02:23.14 | un214 | wait what? |
| 02:23.31 | SM0TVI | abrotman: Ah, so I have only myself to blame for gnome raping xfce? Good to know that is Debians official stance. |
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| 02:24.16 | un214 | cool it SM0TVI: you're asking for a ban (I don't ban but I know what a pending ban looks like) |
| 02:24.18 | SM0TVI | abrotman: The settings for xfce are stomped on, panel size is suddenly WAY BIGGER, systray and clock no longer right justified. |
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| 02:24.51 | abrotman | Folks, language like that isn't acceptable. Fair warning |
| 02:25.23 | un214 | I think my warning was 10 seconds too late |
| 02:25.36 | abrotman | you didn't help |
| 02:25.49 | un214 | :( |
| 02:26.02 | abrotman | Quite often the case with you |
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| 02:37.31 | xar- | debian 8 confuses me, how do I restart networking properly? |
| 02:38.10 | zacts | xar-: sudo systemctl restart networking ? |
| 02:38.21 | zacts | debian jessie now uses systemd by default |
| 02:38.26 | xar- | ah systemctl |
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| 02:39.06 | somiaj | in general you don't want to use a 'service' to restart the network because this is vague |
| 02:39.40 | xar- | well i couldn't figure systemtctl out so i rebooted isntead |
| 02:39.53 | somiaj | xar-: that really isn't what you want. Be clear what do you mean by restart the network. You mean bring down adn up the interface again? Do you mean rest the firewall, the routes, the nameserver, etc? The idea is use the tool that is best for your sitation |
| 02:40.10 | somiaj | xar-: what do you use to configure your network, /etc/network/interfaces or do you use network-manager (or wicd) |
| 02:40.29 | xar- | i just installed it from teh minimal iso, so i think the former |
| 02:40.30 | zacts | ugh... you don't need to reboot your entire computer to restart the network |
| 02:40.33 | xar- | it chose for me lol |
| 02:40.49 | xar- | now it's doing 2000 updates O_o |
| 02:40.58 | somiaj | xar-: if you use the intefaces file, 'ifdown eth0' will bring down the eth0 interface, and then 'ifup eth0' will bring it back up. |
| 02:41.11 | somiaj | if you use networkmanager, tell it to reload/configure the interface |
| 02:41.46 | xar- | i tried ifdown and ifup, and it threw this repeated dhcp discover warning over, i gave up and restarted, it went away |
| 02:42.04 | xar- | seems to be working now, but i just wanted to know the legit command :) |
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| 02:42.47 | shellox | What's the default dir for user uploaded web applications? |
| 02:42.55 | somiaj | xar-: in that case sounds like you may have needed to unload/reload the device module. |
| 02:43.03 | shellox | I've heard i shouldn't put things in /var/www anymore, so it's /srv/www now? |
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| 02:43.22 | somiaj | shellox: that is configurable via php and you need to actually give that directory permissions. |
| 02:43.44 | somiaj | shellox: it is all configurable, but the default DocumentRoot in apahce in debian I think is either /var/www or /var/www/html |
| 02:43.57 | dvs | /var/www/html |
| 02:43.57 | somiaj | shellox: in either case this is all configurable and one should usualyl take time to configure their webserver in my opinion |
| 02:44.10 | xar- | the good news is that, this new server i assembled, it takes longer to POST and initialize firmware, than it does to load the OS lol... |
| 02:44.37 | somiaj | xar-: I have the same problem and I have a very fast post (systemd + ssd boots really quickly) |
| 02:44.47 | xar- | and it isntalled a GUI |
| 02:44.49 | xar- | wth :( |
| 02:44.51 | somiaj | well fairly fast post. |
| 02:45.04 | xar- | im pretty sure I didn't pick a GUI from the tasksel, gdi |
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| 02:46.01 | somiaj | xar-: desktop I think is checked by default (so it will install gnome unless you either uncheck it or choose another) |
| 02:46.30 | xar- | :( |
| 02:46.39 | xar- | easy way to rip it out? |
| 02:46.40 | somiaj | i.e. the list of desktops only changes what install desktop does, you still need to toggle the 'install desktop' which is gnome |
| 02:47.12 | xar- | alright i'lll re-re-install |
| 02:47.16 | somiaj | xar-: I think it just installs a task 'dpkg -l | grep task' and hopefully it is just a matter of uninstalling that task and the rest will get removed automatically by autoinstalls |
| 02:47.40 | shellox | somiaj: the default dir in nginx is /usr/share/nginx/html |
| 02:47.59 | shellox | but i think that's just for the example html files shipped with the package |
| 02:48.27 | somiaj | yea that seems like a very strange place to put data. /usr/share should really only have files put by packages. |
| 02:48.43 | somiaj | I would think that would be a policy violation if that is the DocumentRoot but not positive. |
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| 02:58.31 | xar- | feature request: during the debian installer ask the user or detect the presence of an SSD, and set the I/O scheduler to noop |
| 02:58.35 | xar- | get to work! :) |
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| 02:59.23 | dvs | xar-: File a bug report |
| 02:59.30 | dvs | ;-) |
| 02:59.59 | xar- | <-- lazy |
| 03:00.20 | xar- | i wonder how many people have ssd's out there with the wrong scheduler |
| 03:00.22 | xar- | cringes |
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| 03:02.52 | Cazalia | I boot LiveCD of "stable". From the Desktop, I do Ctrl-Alt-F1, and I get the prompt "debian login:" / "password:" . . . so, I try "root" and "root"---fails, "root" "debian"---fails, "debian" "root"---fails, "debian" "debian"---fails, "root" "admin"---fails, "admin" "root"---fails, "admin" "admin"---fails . . . how do I get a TTY console from LiveCD boot? |
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| 03:05.43 | Nautilus | I'm setting up a web dev box, put in my lamp stack and generated an rsa key pair, but I didn't enter a passphrase for the key pair. Should I have? Not sure of the implications. |
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| 03:10.33 | Nautilus | ah, I can add a passphrase to the key after the fact |
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| 03:11.53 | shay_shay | Cazalia: root <enter> |
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| 03:12.05 | Cazalia | shay_shay: and for a password? |
| 03:12.10 | shay_shay | try enter |
| 03:12.16 | shay_shay | no password |
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| 03:12.31 | Cazalia | shay_shay: ok; thank you |
| 03:12.55 | shay_shay | i assume that will work but if it doesnt we can always set a password |
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| 03:13.34 | shay_shay | doesnt have the exact behavior of livecd memorized |
| 03:15.10 | shay_shay | the livecd should just have a tty which automatically login as root, like grml |
| 03:15.29 | shay_shay | because what the point in waiting for the user to login with an empty password |
| 03:15.31 | Cazalia | Why doesn't the splash screen say so? It's only a few words: "To login before passwords have been set up, reply to "login:" with "root", and to "password:" with a hit on the "Enter" key. |
| 03:15.38 | shay_shay | its not like its more secure lol |
| 03:15.49 | somiaj | ChanServ: hit ctrl-alt-f1 (that console) or are you in a terminal inside the destkop |
| 03:15.56 | Cazalia | shay_shay: yes, truly. |
| 03:15.57 | somiaj | the default is the user has full nopass sudo privlages |
| 03:16.01 | somiaj | you want to be root, 'sudo su -' |
| 03:16.12 | somiaj | then set the password if you really want to |
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| 03:22.46 | Cazalia | "nopass"? |
| 03:23.03 | Cazalia | oh ... "no password" |
| 03:23.18 | shay_shay | hes refering to /etc/sudoers settings |
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| 03:26.23 | Cazalia | well ... the person installing/trying out a system ... obviously ... needs a full complement of utilities needed at install time ... such as: hdparm, cfdisk, mount, etc. |
| 03:26.50 | somiaj | you can also just run the tools you need with sudo |
| 03:27.30 | Cazalia | somiaj: with which password when the installing-person has not set up any passwords yet? |
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| 03:28.08 | somiaj | Cazalia: I'm saying the livecd is set up so the main user it automatically logs you in as has full sudo rights. So open up a terminal, run 'sudo su -' and you are root. |
| 03:28.35 | Cazalia | i see |
| 03:28.43 | somiaj | I think it is documented what the default password is, but it changed a few times over the course of livecd genearaions. i just use sudo as the main user and it works |
| 03:29.05 | Cazalia | isn't sudo "root"? |
| 03:29.16 | somiaj | Cazalia: sudo means run a command as root, but isn't root. |
| 03:29.51 | somiaj | Cazalia: so sudo su - says run the command 'su -' as root, which says log in as root, which doesn't ask for password since you are root. And sudo doens't ask for a password because that is how it is configured. |
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| 03:30.49 | themill | (sudo -i) |
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| 03:31.08 | Cazalia | somiaj: thanks |
| 03:32.03 | somiaj | or apaertanlly run sudo -i. (: |
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| 03:39.14 | shay_shay | i dont know why i always use sudo su - |
| 03:39.21 | shay_shay | i guess its the first way i learned |
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| 03:39.33 | Cazalia | seems redundant |
| 03:39.43 | shay_shay | kinda yeah |
| 03:39.57 | Cazalia | i was told "sudo" is a better "su" |
| 03:40.11 | somiaj | shay_shay: cat file | grep foo, haha (: |
| 03:40.18 | somiaj | Cazalia: they do different things. |
| 03:40.37 | shay_shay | somiaj: <file grep "foo" |
| 03:40.41 | somiaj | Cazalia: similar but different. I use sudo mostly because I dont really like to login as root since I only need to run select commands as root. |
| 03:41.02 | somiaj | shay_shay: just get shown one way and stick with it. I still have to force myself to rember grep foo file |
| 03:41.47 | somiaj | Cazalia: major difference is sudo can be configured to use NOPASS or the users password, while su requires you use the password of the user you want to login as (or run a command as) |
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| 03:42.17 | Cazalia | somiaj: got it |
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| 03:45.02 | shay_shay | somiaj: I "cat" things like this: <file awk '{print}' |
| 03:45.04 | shay_shay | ;) |
| 03:45.10 | shay_shay | pipe that to grep |
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| 03:46.30 | shay_shay | suddenly has several numbered files beginning with foo in his ~ |
| 03:46.42 | edem1 | shay_shay : any nice uptodate guide to awk? |
| 03:47.07 | edem1 | or the older ones are just fine |
| 03:47.17 | shay_shay | edem1: i just found one, for beginners which seems legit: http://www.funtoo.org/Awk_by_Example,_Part_1 |
| 03:48.00 | edem1 | thanks a lot |
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| 03:52.10 | joegiampaoli | Is it normal for fsck to check all partitions on every boot now on Jessie instead of every ~30 boots like before on Wheezy? |
| 03:54.58 | somiaj | joegiampaoli: look at tune2fs, for some reason did the how often you check the file systems change (assuming ext? filesystem) |
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| 03:55.41 | somiaj | joegiampaoli: also is it checking because of 1) it hits the number setable via tune2fs, or 2) because the filesystems were not unmounted correctly |
| 03:55.59 | somiaj | fsck will run on every file system that was not cleanly mounted. If this is happening you have some issue you need to resolv. |
| 03:56.32 | joegiampaoli | somiaj: Ok Thanks, will check into that! |
| 03:57.01 | edem1 | is it ok to wait a network to come up for 2 minutes and not to go background in jessie.I have unstable wifi around here.May i configure that? |
| 03:57.30 | awal1 | joegiampaoli: yes i think so. same , but not sure about systemd-fsck. they run auto every each boot |
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| 03:58.08 | awal1 | check changelogs in pts |
| 03:58.14 | unitiypunk | hello |
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| 03:58.30 | joegiampaoli | awal1: Ok, Thanks! :) |
| 03:58.39 | unitiypunk | im trying to make my script happen at the end of my boot sequence |
| 03:58.40 | somiaj | edem1: you can just configure it not come up at boot and manually bring it up when you want it (what I do with my wifi), else you can use something like wpasupplicant and it comming up means wpasupplicant takes control and it will just keep trying to connect to the wifi in the background and you won't have to do anything and it won't just idel out |
| 03:58.49 | somiaj | edem1: or you could use something like network-manager ot manage your network. |
| 03:58.56 | unitiypunk | i have it added to init.d |
| 03:58.58 | somiaj | unitiypunk: systemd or sysvinit? |
| 03:59.20 | unitiypunk | somiaj: not sure neither i guess. |
| 03:59.33 | somiaj | unitiypunk: it is one or the other. Are you on wheezy or jessie? |
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| 03:59.38 | unitiypunk | wheesy |
| 03:59.58 | somiaj | unitiypunk: does your script have proper lsb headers and does it accept the commands 'start', 'stop', 'reload'? |
| 04:00.03 | unitiypunk | nope |
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| 04:00.08 | unitiypunk | its a bastard script |
| 04:00.34 | unitiypunk | just gathering data, adding it to a text file and emailing me the results |
| 04:00.45 | somiaj | unitiypunk: look at /etc/rc.local and run it from there, or make it a proper LSB script |
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| 04:01.03 | somiaj | unitiypunk: or use 'cron @reboot' and let cron run the script |
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| 04:01.10 | unitiypunk | i used update-rc.d |
| 04:01.16 | unitiypunk | should i un do that? |
| 04:02.01 | somiaj | unitiypunk: that won't work unless you have a proper LSB script. If you just want to run a script use rc.local or cron. |
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| 04:02.02 | phix | Gang! |
| 04:02.28 | somiaj | unitiypunk: if you want to write a proper lsb script I can point you that way, but this is more for services and sounds like cron @reboot would work just fine for your needs. |
| 04:02.31 | unitiypunk | somiaj: so i dont need to worry just add the script to the end of that instead and no worry |
| 04:02.58 | somiaj | unitiypunk: or run the script from inside of /etc/rc.local (I forget if you have to make that excutable or do anythign special to get it to run, I think it just run by default) |
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| 04:03.16 | somiaj | unitiypunk: i.e. just put /path/to/srcipt in /etc/rc.local |
| 04:03.30 | debianlfe45682i | best way to install amd linux driver? |
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| 04:03.59 | somiaj | debianlfe45682i: almost every driver you need is included in th elinux kernel so there is little installing a linux driver. So if you need to this is rare, which driver do you need to install? |
| 04:04.06 | somiaj | unitiypunk: just add that before the 'exit 0' line. |
| 04:04.20 | unitiypunk | done |
| 04:04.21 | unitiypunk | rebooting |
| 04:04.27 | debianlfe45682i | r series driver |
| 04:04.28 | unitiypunk | hoping for some results,,, |
| 04:04.40 | somiaj | debianlfe45682i: can you be more specific what hardware is this? |
| 04:04.50 | unitiypunk | cuz i want it to be able to headlessly mail me info. |
| 04:05.00 | debianlfe45682i | can i install r9 270 catyalst or use fglrx? |
| 04:05.25 | somiaj | debianlfe45682i: okay, you want the fglrx non-free driver. You are on jessie correct? |
| 04:05.29 | somiaj | ,v fglrx-driver |
| 04:05.30 | judd | Package: fglrx-driver on amd64 -- squeeze/non-free: 1:10-9-3squeeze1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 1:12-3-1~bpo60+1; wheezy/non-free: 1:12-6+point-3; wheezy-backports/non-free: 1:14.9+ga14.201-2~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 1:14.9+ga14.201-2; sid/non-free: 1:14.9+ga14.201-2; experimental/non-free: 1:14.12-1 |
| 04:05.40 | somiaj | !tell debianlfe45682i about fglrx-driver |
| 04:05.43 | unitiypunk | now its hung up at boot.. |
| 04:05.48 | unitiypunk | but it did send the email.. |
| 04:05.52 | unitiypunk | -_- |
| 04:05.53 | debianlfe45682i | yes jessie |
| 04:05.55 | unitiypunk | oh wait. |
| 04:06.02 | unitiypunk | just taking a long time to reboot maybe |
| 04:06.14 | somiaj | unitiypunk: or your script has issues. (: |
| 04:06.25 | debianlfe45682i | thank u |
| 04:06.29 | unitiypunk | its simple! |
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| 04:06.32 | somiaj | debianlfe45682i: follow that factoid. Do you use gnome? |
| 04:06.33 | unitiypunk | it cant have issues lol |
| 04:06.40 | unitiypunk | it adds some info to a text file |
| 04:06.44 | debianlfe45682i | no |
| 04:06.45 | unitiypunk | emails its contents |
| 04:06.46 | unitiypunk | and deletes. |
| 04:06.47 | somiaj | unitiypunk: well if it hangs and doesn't exit properly it could cause the boot to 'wait' for it to end. |
| 04:06.48 | unitiypunk | lol |
| 04:06.54 | debianlfe45682i | i see it break gnome |
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| 04:07.16 | unitiypunk | somiaj: so im booted and no email. |
| 04:07.33 | unitiypunk | i think its cuz it takes so long to connect to wifi |
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| 04:07.37 | somiaj | debianlfe45682i: anyways follow those instructions. It is best to install the packages from debian for that driver so things are correctly integrated. |
| 04:07.38 | unitiypunk | that the mail command hangs |
| 04:07.58 | debianlfe45682i | okay |
| 04:08.25 | unitiypunk | can i maybe make the script wait untill after network is established |
| 04:08.32 | somiaj | unitiypunk: can you send email using your local mta, that way it will just pool it and send it once the network is up. |
| 04:08.41 | buu | unitiypunk: Why don't you just run it when wifi comes up? |
| 04:08.56 | unitiypunk | buu: trying to make it headless atomated. |
| 04:09.10 | somiaj | unitiypunk: that is a bit harder to do with sysvinit. But if you are using the interfaces file as buu said you can run the script as a 'post-up' thing to do once the wifi is up. |
| 04:09.15 | buu | So.. automatically run it when wifi comes up? |
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| 04:09.36 | unitiypunk | i dont know how |
| 04:09.42 | unitiypunk | to run it any other way |
| 04:09.49 | somiaj | unitiypunk: do you use the /etc/network/interfaces file to configure your wifi? |
| 04:09.51 | unitiypunk | i thougt i was doing it right with init.d |
| 04:09.57 | unitiypunk | yes |
| 04:09.59 | unitiypunk | i do |
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| 04:10.57 | unitiypunk | buu: i would love for it to run as soon as wifi/ethernet was connected. |
| 04:11.24 | somiaj | unitiypunk: just add a line post-up /path/to/script in the wlan0 part of the interfaces file. Now you run the script when the interface is fully brought up. Not at the end of boot. |
| 04:11.37 | unitiypunk | post up? |
| 04:11.48 | buu | You know, after the pick and roll? |
| 04:11.56 | unitiypunk | hut hut? |
| 04:12.00 | unitiypunk | hike |
| 04:12.23 | buu | unitiypunk: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/lucid/man5/interfaces.5.html |
| 04:13.04 | somiaj | unitiypunk: it means run this after (post) the interface is considered up |
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| 04:14.37 | unitiypunk | yeah so i need to add sometihng like post-up /path/to/script to the devices i want affected? |
| 04:15.13 | somiaj | unitiypunk: that is what I said. |
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| 04:15.37 | somiaj | unitiypunk: any reason why you only want this script at boot? What about daily? Weekly? Monthly? |
| 04:15.38 | unitiypunk | i misunderstood |
| 04:16.01 | unitiypunk | somiaj: i plan for it to let me know key stats about the device upon successful boot. |
| 04:16.23 | unitiypunk | WAN IP, LAN ip, ssid, etc |
| 04:16.25 | somiaj | you may get mailed multiple times if the interface is ever brougth down and back up with this. |
| 04:16.36 | unitiypunk | why would it get brought down |
| 04:16.39 | somiaj | But sounds like that is the info you want. So probabaly better that way |
| 04:16.48 | somiaj | unitiypunk: I dn't know, I was just informing you of this. |
| 04:16.48 | unitiypunk | it should run up untill i unplig my raspbeerry |
| 04:16.52 | unitiypunk | *unplug |
| 04:17.06 | unitiypunk | but i dont see my gmail FILLING up |
| 04:17.08 | unitiypunk | :-p |
| 04:17.12 | unitiypunk | i mean it hasnt yet.. |
| 04:17.14 | unitiypunk | lol |
| 04:18.02 | preyalone | un214: ultimate yak shaving: use debootstrap to write my own base for woody, then leverage woody's deboostrap to get a base for slink, and finally boot into a docker container that hopefully has enough libc5 + libc6 support to run jdk 1.0 without exhibiting "Floating point exception". fun. |
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| 04:19.37 | unitiypunk | uhh woah |
| 04:19.49 | AndChat327600 | Hi guys, i have downloaded debian cd1 with xfce but system restarts everytime i try to boot from cd what to do please advice? |
| 04:19.53 | unitiypunk | im getting that email at reboot. |
| 04:19.56 | unitiypunk | when i shut down |
| 04:20.04 | unitiypunk | is that because its added to init.d? |
| 04:20.44 | unitiypunk | coming from "root" instead of my other email account |
| 04:20.46 | somiaj | AndChat327600: please describe how you created the cd. |
| 04:21.13 | somiaj | unitiypunk: yea it runs at every run level, so shutdown is a runlevel and it runs the script again there. Remove it from /usr/local since you now are running it with the interface |
| 04:21.17 | AndChat327600 | Downloaded the iso and burnt it. |
| 04:21.19 | somiaj | AndChat327600: or usbthumb drive |
| 04:21.32 | unitiypunk | somiaj: okay, thanks. |
| 04:21.37 | AndChat327600 | No in cd |
| 04:21.50 | AndChat327600 | From windows |
| 04:21.58 | somiaj | AndChat327600: ahh so an actual cd, I assume you burnt the image (not just copied the .iso to a file system on the cd). |
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| 04:22.34 | somiaj | AndChat327600: Unless you just draged the .iso onto the cd and it made a file system and put the iso on it, I don't see why it wouldn't work. |
| 04:22.43 | AndChat327600 | Burnt using nero express. |
| 04:22.56 | shay_shay | :o |
| 04:23.10 | somiaj | AndChat327600: do you know if you need efi or mbr boot, and if using efi have you disabled secure mode? |
| 04:23.40 | telmac | I installed a gpu recently and it's working fine but opengl is absent |
| 04:23.57 | somiaj | telmac: is the same one I had you install linux-firmware-nonfree with? |
| 04:24.00 | telmac | and like, libgl1-mesa-dri is installed |
| 04:24.01 | telmac | yes |
| 04:24.50 | somiaj | telmac: so installing the firmware got yoru console resolution back to normal and startx works, it just isn't loading the glx drivers? what is the output of 'glxinfo' and also lets take a look at the /var/log/Xorg.0.log again and see what it says about loading gl drivers. |
| 04:25.51 | AndChat327600 | I have booted from cd rom drive at boot startup thats all i know. |
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| 04:26.27 | telmac | somiaj: telmac.pw/Xorg.0.log |
| 04:26.29 | telmac | and uh |
| 04:26.38 | telmac | name of display: :0 |
| 04:26.38 | telmac | Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig |
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| 04:26.49 | somiaj | telmac: okay, that means it isn't loading. (: |
| 04:27.48 | telmac | yes well I figured |
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| 04:28.09 | unitiypunk | well i removed the script from init.d |
| 04:28.12 | AndChat327600 | I have downloaded the fimage via IDM. |
| 04:28.18 | unitiypunk | but its not running when wifi comes up |
| 04:28.36 | somiaj | telmac: I find the errors, scoll down near the bottom you have a few EE erros about loading a file because it doesn't exist) |
| 04:29.35 | somiaj | telmac: this tells me you are missing the libgl1-mesa-dri package |
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| 04:30.02 | AndChat327600 | What to do? |
| 04:30.15 | somiaj | AndChat327600: what is IDM? |
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| 04:30.38 | AndChat327600 | Internet Download Manager. |
| 04:30.57 | telmac | http://pastebin.com/YecZptLu |
| 04:31.02 | somiaj | ahh, well I can't see what the issue could be. I went over the things I am use to. |
| 04:31.06 | somiaj | AndChat327600: do you have a usbthumb drive? |
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| 04:31.41 | AndChat327600 | Usb pendrive? |
| 04:31.59 | telmac | somiaj: I have no idea where to start from here to diagnose the problem |
| 04:32.12 | somiaj | AndChat327600: anyone that is large enough to put the image on and you don't care about the data on it (or copy it off) |
| 04:32.22 | telmac | somiaj: is it possible there's some sort of fuckery with whatever managed opengl not knowing to use the new card? |
| 04:32.30 | somiaj | telmac: dpkg -S /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri/r600_dri.so |
| 04:32.55 | somiaj | telmac: no, it clearly says that it cannot find the file required to load dri for that card. And that file is clearly owned by the package I told you about. |
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| 04:34.26 | telmac | somiaj: so I was typing the path and tried to tab r600 and the only such file is /dri/r600_drv_video.so |
| 04:34.30 | somiaj | AndChat327600: but standard things to check. 1) is the iso corrupt -- you can do this by getting the md5sum from the download page and comparing that to the md5sum of the .iso on your drive. 2) you burnt the image to the cd (not copied the .iso file onto it). 3) You go into your bios and determine if you are using mbr or efi boot. If you are using efi boot, turn off secure boot. |
| 04:34.44 | telmac | just in case I ran the command exactly and indeed no such file exists as you asked for |
| 04:34.59 | somiaj | telmac: give me the ouput of 'dpkg -S /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri/r600_dri.so' and 'apt-cache policy libgl1-mesa-dri' |
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| 04:35.44 | telmac | dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri/r600_dri.so |
| 04:36.21 | AndChat327600 | My pen drive slow so i burned it on a cd like windows cd two times and the system restarts everytime i chose to boot from cd and doesnt loadup the graphical installer. |
| 04:36.40 | telmac | http://pastebin.com/rkuKcRwi |
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| 04:37.09 | somiaj | AndChat327600: so you get to the point you can choose graphical installer but can't go further than that? Have you tried the text installer? |
| 04:37.32 | somiaj | telmac: back to this again. Install the package I told you to ten minus ago |
| 04:37.38 | somiaj | telmac: that output clearly says that package is not installed |
| 04:37.45 | unitiypunk | hmm |
| 04:37.49 | telmac | somiaj: but you saw what dpkg said, right |
| 04:37.51 | unitiypunk | still no emails at connection |
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| 04:38.10 | telmac | okay that's super weird |
| 04:38.12 | AndChat327600 | Yes the same system restarts after. |
| 04:38.22 | AndChat327600 | I chose it |
| 04:38.24 | telmac | somiaj: so it was not installed |
| 04:38.30 | telmac | but, why would dpkg say it was? |
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| 04:39.12 | somiaj | telmac: give me the output of 'dpkg -l | grep libgl1-mesa-dri' |
| 04:39.50 | somiaj | AndChat327600: not sure here then. Back to either a corrupt imgae or something with how your computer is configured to boot. |
| 04:40.02 | somiaj | but the fact it gets to the bootloader makes me confused. Not sure the best ting to do next |
| 04:40.13 | telmac | ii libgl1-mesa-dri:i386 10.5.5-1 i386 free implementation of the OpenGL API -- DRI modules |
| 04:40.21 | telmac | was meant to be one message |
| 04:40.47 | somiaj | telmac: are you running amd64 or i386 |
| 04:41.08 | somiaj | telmac: looks like you only have the 32bit version isntalled due to multiarch, install the amd64 one which is what you need according to the error I saw |
| 04:41.32 | telmac | amd64 |
| 04:41.46 | somiaj | telmac: very strange, 'apt-cache policy libgl1-mesa-dri:amd64', does this say it is installed? |
| 04:41.52 | telmac | it would now |
| 04:41.58 | somiaj | telmac: oh you are on testing. |
| 04:42.14 | somiaj | telmac: here I was thinking stable. You should really be running stable, you will have far less issues. |
| 04:42.45 | telmac | somiaj: last time I tried to run debian stable half the software I wanted to use was not supported because libs were too old etc. |
| 04:42.56 | telmac | why would testing screw up this bad re: versions? |
| 04:43.00 | somiaj | jessie is jsut barely released, testing is extra bad now. |
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| 04:43.19 | somiaj | because testing packages are sometimes broken. but it is sitll strange apt-cache policy isn't reporting things correctly |
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| 04:43.37 | AndChat327600 | Somiaj, i think it is corrupt image, so do i have redownload it? |
| 04:43.44 | somiaj | AndChat327600: correct |
| 04:44.07 | somiaj | AndChat327600: do you have another computer you can check it on, that may help. |
| 04:44.35 | AndChat327600 | No only one, compaq |
| 04:44.45 | telmac | somiaj: like I liked ubuntu's "stable" repos ~5 years ago |
| 04:44.47 | shay_shay | wonders how many people in the room are using CRT monitor |
| 04:45.03 | telmac | but when I tried to install ubuntu's minimal it exploded |
| 04:45.04 | somiaj | telmac: dpkg -S /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri/r600_drv_video.so |
| 04:45.27 | telmac | vdpau-va-driver:amd64: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri/r600_drv_video.so |
| 04:45.47 | somiaj | AndChat327600: well you could try to download a new image. I think it is a boot configuration or issue with your system and you should figure out if you are using efi or mbr boot. |
| 04:46.29 | somiaj | telmac: output of 'dpkg -L libgl1-mesa-dri:amd64' |
| 04:46.45 | somiaj | telmac: but really if you aren't able to track down why this file is not correctly installed you shouldn't be running stretch. (: |
| 04:47.07 | somiaj | AndChat327600: that is why i mentioned another computer, a way to check the boot image. (: |
| 04:47.20 | AndChat327600 | Btw, i have a slow connection with disconnection problem, should i take another risk to redownload the image? |
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| 04:47.38 | telmac | sometimes debian is hard to use as an actual desktop |
| 04:47.48 | AndChat327600 | I have mbr partition table. |
| 04:48.04 | telmac | http://pastebin.com/RgCafmk5 |
| 04:48.16 | somiaj | telmac: works just fine for me, and has for 10+ years. Just gotta learn a little bit about how ti works. |
| 04:48.39 | somiaj | AndChat327600: not sure here. I don't really have that much more advise. |
| 04:49.05 | unitypunk | somiaj: http://pastebin.com/1B5ZxWzm what am i doin wrong, not getting an email now.. |
| 04:49.12 | telmac | somiaj: like last I ran debian stable was squeeze I think |
| 04:49.16 | somiaj | telmac: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri/r600_dri.so <-- even according to this that file is installed on your system. 'ls /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri/r600_dri.so' if that file isn't tehre you have something wrong. |
| 04:49.22 | telmac | and /nothing/ that wasn't already in the repos worked |
| 04:49.32 | telmac | somiaj: well no I ran apt |
| 04:49.36 | telmac | it's probably fine now |
| 04:49.55 | telmac | I should restart x |
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| 04:50.17 | somiaj | unitypunk: it is because you are using wpasupplicant, so the device is considered up before wpasupplicant brings it up. So now lets go play with wpasupplicant |
| 04:50.29 | somiaj | unitypunk: but I think you are running rasbian and this isn't hte place for raspbian support. |
| 04:50.29 | AndChat327600 | I just want to quit windows, but its getting difficult :'( |
| 04:50.47 | somiaj | AndChat327600: I would suggest the netinstall, less to download, but you seem to have a poor connenction. |
| 04:50.48 | unitypunk | somiaj: shh that place is dead :( |
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| 04:51.21 | somiaj | unitypunk: well then try ##linux, please resepct our volunetters policy of only supporting debian and not its derivatives. |
| 04:51.24 | shay_shay | AndChat327600: quit cold turkey |
| 04:51.36 | shay_shay | its the only way |
| 04:51.39 | somiaj | unitypunk: anyways look up 'wpasupllicant post up script', you can probabaly configure it. |
| 04:51.51 | somiaj | shay_shay: he can't even get the installer to work...he is trying. |
| 04:52.01 | shay_shay | raspbian installer |
| 04:52.05 | shay_shay | ? |
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| 04:52.19 | shay_shay | oh |
| 04:52.21 | shay_shay | nvm |
| 04:52.29 | shay_shay | i got people mixed up :D |
| 04:52.31 | somiaj | shay_shay: no offical xfce4 cd1 image, it reboots everytime, after the bootloader, he chooses graphical or text install and it reboots. |
| 04:52.59 | somiaj | I am at a loss. I'm thinking some bios configuration. But it could be a bad image (less likely in my opinion if the bootloader is working) |
| 04:53.22 | shay_shay | i experienced simiar in a intel motherboard recently |
| 04:54.03 | shay_shay | never figured it out |
| 04:54.39 | somiaj | AndChat327600: you said you ahd a pendrive you could use you just wanted the cd because it is faster. Maybe your mobo will boot better from the pendrive. |
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| 06:23.34 | atomtm | Hello ! Can anyone help me how to configure my debian box act as an ntp server ? I 've read this tutorial. My main goal is to send my local time , i.e. my system time + time_zone + DST. Is this possible ? |
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| 06:30.16 | chele | Hi, I have removed i386 architecture from dpkg but I can still see that repos are checked when running apt-get update. How can i remove it completely? |
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| 06:35.49 | fireba11 | chele: remove it from /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 06:36.21 | somiaj | chele: on debian that should be enough. But debian does support the notation that allows you to define the arch in your sources.list file |
| 06:36.37 | somiaj | chele: also do you have any i386 pakcages still installed? Are you positive it was removed as an arch? |
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| 06:41.34 | chele | fireba11: nothing in sources.list indicates there is another architecture. Nonetheless I see it checking the repos. |
| 06:41.44 | chele | somiaj: I am positive nothing is installed. |
| 06:42.25 | chele | I solved the problem with dpkg --remove-architecture i386. It is strange because I ran that command also before but not sure why didn't work. |
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| 06:43.24 | Walther | I'm looking through the preseed instructions. One thing that isn't clear to me is what happens if you leave parts out of the preseed config; do normal prompts appear? |
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| 06:44.18 | chroneos | Walther: depends on what parts are left out and what your debconf priority is set to, but if it needs an answer to something and the preseed doesn't answer it, it may ask :) |
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| 06:44.21 | Walther | I'm thinking about a partial preseed that would take care of most of the things but some things could be left to prompts on a per-host basis |
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| 06:45.18 | Walther | well, one thing is the B.1.2 Limitations: "Although most questions used by debian-installer can be preseeded using this method, there are some notable exceptions. You must (re)partition an entire disk or use available free space on a disk; it is not possible to use existing partitions." |
| 06:46.08 | Walther | so I wonder if just skipping the partitioning information in the preseed config could result in getting the partitioning prompt which does allow using existing partitions |
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| 06:46.29 | chroneos | It should |
| 06:46.52 | Walther | at least to me, it would make sense to have the installer to fallback to the default prompt when the preseed.cfg doesn't provide information |
| 06:46.55 | Walther | excellent, thanks |
| 06:47.39 | chroneos | np. when I've debugged preseeds, I'll occasionally comment out various sections, partman being one of them. |
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| 06:49.44 | Walther | nod. This is mainly for "dotfiles" kind of a purpose, I have quite much of my setup / requirements for a workstation standardized and I do reinstalls for my computers rather often. While i have the software requirements in an apt-get install line, I started thinking why not half-automate installing the distro too, as it's also very standard (sid w/ coreutils only) |
| 06:51.01 | chroneos | Yeah, eliminating the rote is definitely its best use case. |
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| 06:53.08 | Walther | as an offtopic aside, i think it's a bit silly that while arch has amazing documentation and an excellent beginners guide for installation, they don't have a "next, next, next" installer for the defaults like debian has, where it would cover the default options without manually inputting each command :P |
| 06:53.11 | chroneos | it can be nice for unattended tasks, but worth using if only to ensure a certain standard of configuration--and eliminate the inane questions. |
| 06:53.22 | Walther | yup |
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| 06:54.27 | chroneos | such is a perk of d-i :) |
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| 06:55.22 | roundcirle | hi |
| 06:55.36 | roundcirle | im trying to build the rose compiler |
| 06:55.49 | roundcirle | http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/ROSE_Compiler_Framework/Installation |
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| 06:56.48 | roundcirle | but I'm missing the <source_path>/configure script |
| 06:56.51 | roundcirle | any idea? |
| 06:57.17 | roundcirle | the official installation guide mentions this configure script too |
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| 07:03.46 | roundcirle | just found it |
| 07:03.58 | av0idz_ | no spamd in jessie :( |
| 07:03.59 | roundcirle | dont ask me where it was all the time :( |
| 07:04.07 | av0idz_ | good morning :) |
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| 07:04.36 | roundcirle | av0idz_: good morning, well at least for you ;) |
| 07:05.21 | av0idz_ | source path -> should be where you downloaded or cloned your source to |
| 07:05.29 | av0idz_ | maybe i can make your morning better ;) |
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| 07:06.25 | betty4711 | hello. How can I "dpkg-reconfigure" and assuming "yes" automatically, because I want to do that in a script? |
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| 07:07.07 | av0idz | have you build the configure file ? rose_sourcetree>./build ? roundcircle |
| 07:07.26 | betty4711 | concrete its about "dpkg-reconfigure wireshark-common"... but without interaction.. is this possible? |
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| 07:08.51 | av0idz | i did this one with an expect script betty4711 |
| 07:08.58 | av0idz | *once |
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| 07:09.49 | roundcirle | av0idz: well now rose configure breaks after i found the configure script |
| 07:09.50 | betty4711 | av0idz: its because I want to put wireshark in a remastered debian.. I can add the user to wireshakr group but dont know how to dpkg-reconfigure within my chroot-script. |
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| 07:10.03 | betty4711 | how can I do this? |
| 07:10.26 | av0idz | i asume you know how to script betty4711 -> http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/96215/feeding-input-values-to-dpkg-reconfigure-in-non-interactive-way |
| 07:10.34 | debianlfe45682i | somiaj: driver install worked thanks u |
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| 07:11.37 | av0idz | im sorry roundcirle i cant help you with that specific installation / compiling process, never got to use that piece of software. |
| 07:11.57 | betty4711 | av0idz: Im not a script-genious :-) I will try.. to under "expect" I have to write exactly what dpkg whats from me, right? |
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| 07:12.44 | av0idz | yes betty4711 it reads text on screen, and inputs text you want to input after specific text occurs, pretty straight forward and simple |
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| 07:13.33 | betty4711 | So a part of the text dpkg shows is enough? Or has it to be the whole text? |
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| 07:15.31 | betty4711 | so this is the text: http://snag.gy/2PI67.jpg |
| 07:15.41 | betty4711 | so what do I write to expect? |
| 07:15.45 | jsonlee | is linux having any world clock applet that displays a world map and can show two different time zones or clock time? |
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| 07:17.47 | roundcirle | av0idz: no problem I'll figure it out |
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| 07:23.56 | ksk | jsonlee: probably :D |
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| 07:27.24 | chroneos | betty4711: sounds like a job for debconf-set-selections. |
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| 07:28.26 | betty4711 | just this line worked perfect: |
| 07:28.46 | chroneos | wireshark-common/install-setuid |
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| 07:29.00 | betty4711 | setcap 'CAP_NET_RAW+eip CAP_NET_ADMIN+eip' /usr/sbin/dumpcap |
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| 07:35.50 | jsonlee | ksk: I check probably, but does not find any clock with similar name. |
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| 07:37.14 | atomtm | I was checking my log files after a system freeze and I got this message : A rtkit-daemon[1059]: Successfully dropped privileges. |
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| 07:47.58 | ovidiu-florin | hello world |
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| 07:48.34 | ovidiu-florin | what's happening with http://ftp.ro.debian.org ? it's been unreachable for some time now |
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| 07:49.20 | ovidiu-florin | and this has been on and off line for some months now |
| 07:49.25 | ovidiu-florin | what's happening? |
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| 07:51.04 | Ticho | ovidiu-florin: might want to ask its sponsor, see https://www.debian.org/mirror/sponsors.en.html |
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| 07:54.17 | SM0TVI | has a curious problem. Netinstall of Debian Jessie fails either by sudden shutdown or by hanging during partition of HD. |
| 07:54.28 | ovidiu-florin | thank you Ticho |
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| 08:02.06 | fireba11 | SM0TVI: curious indeed ... your hardware ok? :-) |
| 08:02.28 | betty4711 | how can I execute two commands in a shell script.. also the 2nd even if 1st command isnt finished? |
| 08:02.37 | SM0TVI | fireba11: It was before I failed at upgrading to jessie so bad I decided to do a netinstall. |
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| 08:03.03 | betty4711 | e.g. autopsy && firefox http://localhost:9999/autopsy |
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| 08:04.41 | jelly | betty4711: the first one needs to become a background job. autopsy & |
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| 08:06.53 | s7r | after an upgrade from wheezy to jessie, pushed not to replace apache2.conf file and the upgrade from apache2.22 to apache2.4 broke it, because it has some obsolete syntaxes there. how can I fetch the correct conf file via apt-get ? |
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| 08:08.30 | Walther | Hm. in preseeding, there seems to be only the options of editing the initrd.gz or providing a URL. Can't I just stick the preseed.cfg on the usb and read it from there? |
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| 08:08.41 | cuqa | hello, where can I find info about debian and the vulnerable proftpd version? |
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| 08:09.15 | jelly | s7r: curious, did the upgrade process not leave an /etc/apache2/apache2.conf.dpkg-dist ? |
| 08:09.35 | s7r | jelly oh, yes it did |
| 08:09.39 | s7r | how do i use that? |
| 08:10.21 | jelly | s7r: that's the new original. You can put it in place, or merge differences manually |
| 08:11.00 | jelly | !tracker of doom |
| 08:11.00 | dpkg | The Tracker of Doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the Debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.org/ . Ask me about <cve lookup CVE-yyyy-nnnn> to get Debian-specific information on a CVE number. See also http://www.debian.org/security/crossreferences or ask me about <debsecan> http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/ |
| 08:11.18 | jelly | cuqa: if you know the CVE number, look it up on that page ^^ |
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| 08:12.59 | fireba11 | SM0TVI: got any leftover partitions that might screw with the installer? maybe use a live-medium to clean up first? |
| 08:13.29 | SM0TVI | fireba11: TY - will investigate :) |
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| 08:14.10 | Walther | or, can the boot parameters include something akin to "auto url=/installer-location/file" instead of an actual http url |
| 08:14.40 | Walther | because I'd much prefer not having to create the whole initrd.gz and just copy the preseed.cfg on the installer usb |
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| 08:18.11 | lamham | Hi, anybody have keyboard layout applet on bar in Jessie, if yes how did you do that? |
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| 08:21.25 | Walther | Ha. To answer my own question, apparently there is a possibility for "auto file=/location" in addition to the initrd method and url method. Perhaps that should be reflected also in the newest manuial and not only in the wheezy version :) |
| 08:21.56 | Walther | (Compare: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apbs02.html.en#preseed-loading https://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/i386/apbs02.html.en ) |
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| 08:23.16 | Walther | Oh right, it actually is there, just not under the "auto mode" headline. Derp. |
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| 08:24.21 | shay_shay | lamham: region & Language > + > English (Devorak) |
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| 08:24.58 | shay_shay | now i have a applet in my top right allowing me to switch keyboard layout on the fly |
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| 08:28.38 | lamham | I have 3 languages set in region+language settings, but no switch appeared |
| 08:28.48 | Walther | Hm. I'm getting preseed file not found even if I specify the "file=/hd-media/preseed.cfg". Yes, I've confirmed the file is on the usb stick as should |
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| 08:49.20 | Asenar | Hi, do you know if mongo 3.0 is supported on ppc64el with jessie ? |
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| 08:53.58 | Walther | Any ideas why I would be getting "preseed file not found" when using file=/hd-media/preseed.cfg? Yes, i've checked the file exists on the USB media |
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| 08:57.19 | ChrisH | Walther: can you push a shell in that situation? |
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| 08:57.56 | Walther | I have a laptop here available for testing, yes |
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| 08:59.35 | Walther | hm, somehow the usb stick is mounted as /cdrom |
| 08:59.50 | Walther | while the manual says USB sticks should be /hd-media |
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| 09:01.47 | Night_Elf | Walther: you could try to symlink /hd-media and /cdrom |
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| 09:02.16 | ChrisH | Walther: is the booted iso on the stick, too? |
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| 09:02.38 | Walther | or just pass the bootparameter as "auto file=/cdrom/preseef.cfg" |
| 09:02.42 | Walther | ChrisH: yeah |
| 09:03.08 | Walther | the documentation says USB sticks should have their files accessible via file=/hd-media/foo but apparently some sticks show up as /cdrom anyway |
| 09:03.38 | SM0TVI | fireba11: Yah, was a munged partition table. Thanks for the assistance :3 |
| 09:04.00 | ChrisH | you booted from the stick as cdrom, so try treating it as cdrom |
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| 09:05.09 | atomtm | jelly, hi there ! you recommenden chrony as ntp server . Do I have to unistall ntp ? |
| 09:06.22 | nstr | Hi I'm trying to follow https://wiki.debian.org/GrubEFIReinstall but I don't get this: "Put the debian bootloader in /boot/efi and create an appropriate entry in the computer NVRAM"? What does it mean, or rather how can I do it? |
| 09:07.02 | Walther | Yeah. It could be worth it to clarify in the preseed documentation that sometimes even usb sticks can show up as cdrom |
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| 09:11.50 | jelly | atomtm: it will be automatically uninstalled if you try installing chrony |
| 09:12.17 | jelly | atomtm: I don't remember recommending it, just listing it as one of the options |
| 09:12.17 | Brigo | nstr, just run grub-install /dev/sda |
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| 09:13.36 | Brigo | nstr, it will create /boot/efi/EFI/debian/grubx64.efi file (the debian bootloader). |
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| 09:14.23 | julius__ | hi |
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| 09:15.39 | julius__ | ive added a "@reboot" entry to my user crontab, does the system wait until network is up or does it just run the user crontab as fast as possible after boot? |
| 09:16.50 | stanley | asap |
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| 09:17.36 | nstr | Brigo: thanks! |
| 09:17.48 | Brigo | nstr, yw |
| 09:17.59 | jelly | julius__: it's run after the cron service is started, and not before (for obvious reasons) |
| 09:18.09 | tiny | Can debian be with netinstall image ver PXE + NFS? It keeps asking me for a CD which I don't have of course. Using this line as "append" in pxe config: append initrd=debian-initrd install=nfs://installbox/home/install/distros/debian/ |
| 09:18.21 | tiny | be installed* |
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| 09:19.18 | tiny | I also tried these options https://wiki.debian.org/PXEBootInstall <--- fails since append lines don't contain initrd |
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| 09:24.47 | Walther | Hm. Otherwise the preseed seems to work fine now, but I get a prompt for the keymap even if I have "d-i keyboard-configuration/xkb-keymap select fi" |
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| 09:27.28 | Brigo | Walther, try to ask in debian-cd or debian-install channel in oftc network. I had (and still have) the same problem but i didn't ask. :) |
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| 09:34.20 | fireba11 | SM0TVI: youre welcome |
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| 09:45.17 | atomtm | jelly , sry for late reply |
| 09:45.26 | atomtm | jelly , yes not recommended but listing |
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| 09:46.22 | atomtm | jelly , I tried the ntp solution but this does not work for what I want , i.e. sending my local time(UTC + Time Zones + DST) and not my UTC clock |
| 09:46.37 | atomtm | jelly, would that be applicable with chrony |
| 09:46.38 | atomtm | ? |
| 09:46.47 | atomtm | jelly, are you familiar with it ? |
| 09:46.53 | tiny | Can debian be installed from local LAN? |
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| 09:47.11 | ChrisH | tiny: via PXE boot and netinst |
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| 09:47.33 | marjolein | Had some trouble yesterday, but now a whole directory used to keep setup notes has disappeared; if fsck (at boot) 'repaired' it away, any chance of finding something back? |
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| 09:47.43 | tiny | ChrisH: netinst image shouldn't ask for a CD correct? |
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| 09:48.50 | ChrisH | marjolein: from your backup.. or in lost+found |
| 09:49.22 | jelly | atomtm: how does it fail? |
| 09:49.39 | marjolein | ChrisH: no backup (I was setting things up to do that!) I see nothing in lost+found (or I don't know how to use that |
| 09:50.02 | ChrisH | tiny: PXE boot from net and then the netiso on the pxe server should be used. |
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| 09:50.39 | tiny | ChrisH: what's pxe boot parameter to use? How do I tell it to use pxe iso? |
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| 09:51.23 | ChrisH | tiny: there are some netboot packages in debian and a lot of howtos. I did it once and it was pretty straight forward. |
| 09:51.41 | atomtm | jelly, it sends utc time |
| 09:52.05 | atomtm | jelly, not local time |
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| 09:58.54 | jelly | atomtm: you can't send local time. You can set the clock wrong, and send that. |
| 10:00.19 | jelly | atomtm: and if you set it _exactly_ the desired amount of "wrong", that may look like the wall clock ("local time") |
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| 10:03.01 | Walther | Otherwise my preseed seems to work fine, but I get a prompt for the keymap even if I have "d-i keyboard-configuration/xkb-keymap select fi" |
| 10:03.15 | Walther | I also asked at #debian-boot on oftc, but it seems a bit quiet there |
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| 10:07.31 | tiny | ChrisH: yes, it easy once you figure out you need netboot.tgz image and not netinst image :) |
| 10:08.08 | tiny | ChrisH: thanks, all I needed was to copy kernel+initrd to my tftp serving dir |
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| 10:19.28 | protoza | hi guys, i have a laptop with a intel video card and a nvidia 2gb 3D thing, and X works, but there is no GLX, does anyone know what i can read about setting it up? i have tried a few doc's but they dont help? |
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| 10:20.08 | protoza | im guessing its like in the old days with the voodoo or monster cards, but i dont remember how i used to get those working, |
| 10:20.35 | yh | hi |
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| 10:21.02 | SynrG | protoza: that requires bumblebee-nvidia (assuming you want non-free nvidia) or bumblebee (if you use nouveau) |
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| 10:21.14 | yh | On shutdown, is a stop sent to all services started by init.d ? |
| 10:21.18 | SynrG | !tell protoza about bumblebee |
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| 10:21.24 | protoza | SynrG, thank you :D |
| 10:21.32 | SynrG | protoza: and no, it's not "like the old days" at all |
| 10:21.38 | yh | I'm making an init.d script which is relevant for startup, but has no concept of stop - it just writes a file |
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| 10:22.49 | SynrG | protoza: this is what they call 'hybrid' graphics. it switches GPUs as needed. |
| 10:23.08 | SynrG | so, quite different from older technologies |
| 10:23.24 | protoza | SynrG, thank you very much, that grep thing shows 2 lines |
| 10:23.35 | SynrG | yep |
| 10:23.44 | protoza | im going to read what they say on this, |
| 10:24.08 | SynrG | good luck. hopefully straightforward to set up. are you on jessie? |
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| 10:24.24 | protoza | yes |
| 10:24.27 | SynrG | good |
| 10:24.31 | protoza | i have jessie |
| 10:24.53 | aiRness | Hello. What would be the appropriate place to put a package that I've build (nginx and nodejs) and I'm installing it normally via apt-get? /usr/local or /opt? |
| 10:25.24 | protoza | i installed wheezy and then changed it to jessie in sources.list and did a update then dist-upgrade |
| 10:26.19 | SynrG | aiRness: neither? best practice is to put it under /usr, even if locally built. it isn't meant to be co-installable with debian's versions, is it?\ |
| 10:26.34 | SynrG | aiRness: is this a backport? |
| 10:27.08 | SynrG | if a backport, you should follow the backports doc for versioning so that it will upgrade cleanly to the next release's version |
| 10:27.20 | aiRness | SynrG: yes, it's the newest nodejs and ruby on jessie |
| 10:27.35 | SynrG | and in any case, you should put some care into versioning to make sure you don't have upgrade issues later |
| 10:27.54 | aiRness | SynrG: you mean the naming schema? |
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| 10:28.47 | aiRness | SynrG: actually debian has packages for both of these apps, I just need to build my own |
| 10:29.03 | SynrG | aiRness: look at the versioning advice here: http://backports.debian.org/Contribute/ |
| 10:29.09 | SynrG | ,v nodejs |
| 10:29.10 | judd | Package: nodejs on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 0.10.29~dfsg-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 0.10.29~dfsg-2; sid: 0.10.38~dfsg-1; stretch: 0.10.38~dfsg-1 |
| 10:29.21 | SynrG | ,v nginx |
| 10:29.22 | judd | Package: nginx on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.7.67-3+squeeze3; squeeze-security: 0.7.67-3+squeeze3; squeeze-security-lts: 0.7.67-3+squeeze4; squeeze-backports: 1.2.1-2.2~bpo60+2; wheezy-security: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy3; wheezy: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy3; wheezy-backports: 1.6.2-5~bpo70+1; sid: 1.6.2-5; stretch: 1.6.2-5; jessie: 1.6.2-5; experimental: 1.6.2-5+a.exp1 |
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| 10:29.44 | aiRness | SynrG: regarding nginx I need some additional modules |
| 10:29.47 | aiRness | I will check it out |
| 10:30.02 | SynrG | aiRness: if debian subsequently introduces the versions you need and modules you need in the next release, you'll want your locally built packages to upgrade cleanly to those instead. |
| 10:30.33 | SynrG | so try to stick to debian's packaging (including putting things in /usr) with your local modifications applied as a minimal patch on top |
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| 10:30.46 | aiRness | ok and a last thing |
| 10:30.58 | aiRness | I assume you won't recommend fpm |
| 10:31.07 | aiRness | for debian packaging |
| 10:31.40 | protoza | SynrG, if i want to use the nvidia driver, i use bumblebee-nvidia? cause its only 513kb? but on my old laptop i downloaded the nvidia driver and it was like 60mb? |
| 10:32.03 | protoza | or my bf downloaded it, well, ex bf |
| 10:34.09 | JyZyXEL | is there a channel for Debian Wayland support? |
| 10:34.10 | julius__ | jelly, thx |
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| 10:34.16 | vegardx | protoza: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
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| 10:36.13 | SynrG | aiRness: i don't know fpm |
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| 10:36.45 | SIXGOD | hi, is it possible to change the path of crontab? It currently uses the home folder of the user, I want it to use another folder |
| 10:36.48 | protoza | also does anyone know the difference between e17 and e19? i use e17 and it is fine on jessie, but on their site it says there is an e19 but i dont see it in apt and wonder if its worth it to build it from source? |
| 10:37.13 | SynrG | protoza: sizes of packages are irrelevant. take a look at the dependencies which are different |
| 10:37.34 | SynrG | protoza: you're comparing apples and oranges, in other words |
| 10:37.38 | GPenguin | JyZyXEL: there is #wayland which covers all distros i suppose |
| 10:37.53 | SynrG | and sorry, no clue about e in general :p |
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| 10:38.17 | SynrG | protoza: you're welcome to try building e19 yourself. you are, of course, on your own for support if you do |
| 10:38.36 | protoza | thanks. e is awesome, i prefer it to gnome or kde, its more like windowmaker and afterstep |
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| 10:38.51 | SynrG | if e19 at some point enters testing, it would be eligible for backporting |
| 10:39.02 | SynrG | then it would have support |
| 10:39.12 | SynrG | assuming it can be backported |
| 10:39.55 | SynrG | protoza: also, you could search the wnpp. see if it's being worked on ... |
| 10:39.56 | protoza | ok, i used to build e17 all the time, its worth it, but i see e19 now and im not sure if its ay different, cause the screen shots i see online look the same, |
| 10:39.58 | SynrG | !wnpp |
| 10:39.59 | dpkg | For information on packages which are not in Debian but you think should be, check the Work-Needing and Prospective Packages list at http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp (refinable list at http://wnpp.debian.net/). Use wnpp-alert (from the <devscripts> package) to see what packages you are using that are in need of help. |
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| 10:41.31 | SynrG | SIXGOD: er, what? crontab(1) says: There is one file for each user's crontab under the /var/spool/cron/crontabs directory. |
| 10:41.50 | SynrG | SIXGOD: if that's not what you mean, please explain |
| 10:42.06 | SynrG | SIXGOD: are you talking about debian, or some other distribution? |
| 10:42.30 | protoza | SynrG, i think he means the PWD that crond starts with |
| 10:42.57 | protoza | like when it runs your stuff i think its $PWD/$CWD is ~/ |
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| 10:43.07 | SynrG | pwd is not 'path' |
| 10:43.27 | SynrG | is there something wrong with using 'cd' in your cron script? |
| 10:43.44 | SynrG | or if you meant PATH, you can modify that inside the script |
| 10:44.47 | SynrG | anyway, no point in speculating further until SIXGOD clarifies |
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| 10:46.46 | aiRness | SynrG: it's tool to create deb (and rpm) pkgs, it's quite fast for the process sometimes |
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| 10:48.22 | SynrG | aiRness: cutting corners leads to subpar packages. subpar packages lead to bugs. bugs lead to more time spent than you bargained for ... |
| 10:48.49 | SynrG | aiRness: but whatever. if it were me, i'd invest effort learning how to do it right |
| 10:49.24 | SynrG | *especially* working on infrastructural packages |
| 10:49.39 | SynrG | if it were just some leaf node package (nothing depends on it) i wouldn't care as much |
| 10:50.02 | Sander^work2 | Whats the most common reson to nfs hanging on nfs version 3 with tree dirs from two hosts mounted? |
| 10:50.07 | Sander^work2 | reason* |
| 10:51.21 | ChrisH | Sander^work2: during mount or in mounted state? I saw NFS hangs very rare during mounted state in real life. |
| 10:52.10 | Sander^work2 | ChrisH, it hangs 2 times a week. |
| 10:52.31 | Sander^work2 | during is mounted state |
| 10:53.47 | aiRness | SynrG: I agree with yuo, don't get me wrong, unfortunately it's used by many admins nowadays because they just need to deliver |
| 10:54.02 | ChrisH | Sander^work2: can you show nfsstat -m ; nfsstat -c from client. Plus df -h to understand the mount situation on paste.debian.net |
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| 11:00.15 | atomtm | jelly, that means I won't configure DST settings .ps sry for late reply |
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| 11:01.28 | atomtm | jelly, for this I have tried date -u -s RANDOM TIME , but after that when I date -u the time was still the correct utc time ( bios time ) |
| 11:01.45 | Sander^work2 | ChrisH, http://paste.debian.net/180234/ and df hangs now |
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| 11:04.05 | wCPO | When do debian wheezy end of life? |
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| 11:04.49 | joldy | Feb 2016 |
| 11:04.59 | joldy | LTS till Feb 2018 |
| 11:05.06 | joldy | Cult use till 2025 |
| 11:05.13 | joldy | or death of systemd |
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| 11:06.03 | protoza | does debian ever have end of life? |
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| 11:09.58 | joldy | Debian is Immortal Dragon as seen on TV |
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| 11:11.16 | fireba11 | lol |
| 11:11.41 | fireba11 | preyalone: only the last two releases are provided with security updates usually |
| 11:12.24 | wCPO | I use Arch Linux as desktop os.. and debian mostly as server.. |
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| 11:13.20 | fireba11 | though i red that jessie is supposed to get updates for 5 years, that would make it LTS if its true |
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| 11:16.49 | vegardx | That depends on how the squeeze-lts goes. |
| 11:17.12 | vegardx | I personally think it's a bad idea to lock up that much resources because some people can't plan ahead |
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| 11:18.18 | joldy | I plan to fork a systemdless debian and call it Immortal Dragon |
| 11:18.22 | joldy | of Love |
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| 11:20.55 | ChrisH | Sander^work2: looks OK. then check the NFS Server side. |
| 11:21.35 | colo-work | I need to add additional routes after an iface has come up. I tried using the post-up stanza in interfaces(5) like this: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/b11f236f/ - there are NO addtional routes being set after boot. why? |
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| 11:21.59 | colo-work | (running the commands manually works w/o problems) |
| 11:22.30 | buu | colo-work: maybe it wants quotes or something, check the sytnax |
| 11:22.32 | buu | syntax* |
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| 11:23.55 | fireba11 | vegardx: don't think there is a real need for LTS ... i just try to plan in upgrades after the new release came out and have time to finish untill the next release is there :-D |
| 11:24.16 | vegardx | Sounds like a good plan! :) |
| 11:24.20 | colo-work | buu, nah, that shouldn't be it |
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| 11:24.55 | colo-work | afaict |
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| 11:28.45 | test1user | Hi all, can anyone tell where to download possibly via http or ftp debian 8 ISO images. I'm looking for Debian 8 AMD_64 ISO DL (7.4GB). |
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| 11:29.22 | Eduard_Munteanu | Is there some way to extract an installed package from the filesystem, in case I don't have the original anymore? |
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| 11:30.33 | joldy | what is the name ? |
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| 11:30.57 | Eduard_Munteanu | joldy, it isn't an official package. |
| 11:32.35 | Nik05 | Eduard_Munteanu how did you install it? |
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| 11:33.12 | Eduard_Munteanu | Nik05, I'm trying to extract a driver package from an OEM installation. |
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| 11:33.50 | Eduard_Munteanu | Presumably they used dpkg -i or some such. |
| 11:34.11 | Nik05 | is it listed in dpkg -l? |
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| 11:34.58 | Eduard_Munteanu | Nik05, I do see it in apt-cache search and dpkg -l, yes |
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| 11:35.07 | Nik05 | oh oke |
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| 11:38.40 | buu | Eduard_Munteanu: Is it by any chance in the apt cache? |
| 11:38.44 | ChrisH | Sander^work2: hanging df means, no answer from NFS-Server on lstat() call |
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| 11:39.11 | Eduard_Munteanu | buu, I tried 'find / -name \*.deb' and couldn't find it. |
| 11:39.24 | rozie | Eduard_Munteanu: /var/cache/apt |
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| 11:39.31 | rozie | it should be there |
| 11:39.38 | rozie | unless you cleaned the cace |
| 11:39.43 | buu | Only if apt was actually used, if it was just dpkg then maybe not |
| 11:39.47 | buu | or that. |
| 11:40.21 | buu | Eduard_Munteanu: I mean, .debs can have all sorts of pre and post install scripts so I can't imagine there's a general solution to this problem. |
| 11:40.31 | buu | Perhaps you could just find the specific files you want? Or uh, ask the vendor |
| 11:40.44 | Eduard_Munteanu | This is actually Ubuntu and there's an OEM partition, and although there's a pool/ directory, it isn't there either. |
| 11:40.51 | rozie | Eduard_Munteanu: if you have the files you can still make .deb |
| 11:41.03 | Eduard_Munteanu | buu, yeah, I suppose I should, it's a DKMS module anyway. |
| 11:41.22 | rozie | Eduard_Munteanu: what hardware? |
| 11:41.56 | Eduard_Munteanu | rozie, something unreleased yet, not sure I should say. :) |
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| 11:43.38 | Nik05 | buu the pre and post scripts are /var/lib/dpkg, arent they? |
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| 11:44.05 | Eduard_Munteanu | I wonder. But if it's a DKMS module, I'm not sure the sources still stick around. |
| 11:44.15 | buu | Um. No? |
| 11:44.21 | buu | They don't appear to be on my box. |
| 11:44.25 | Nik05 | oh |
| 11:44.28 | buu | I can't imagine why they would be. |
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| 11:44.51 | buu | Eduard_Munteanu: DKMS sources definitely stick around, that's the whole point |
| 11:44.59 | Nik05 | i got them in /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 11:45.00 | buu | Eduard_Munteanu: So they can be automatically rebuilt against new kernels |
| 11:45.21 | Eduard_Munteanu | Hm. |
| 11:45.36 | buu | Nik05: Oh! You're right, I just didn't see those in there. |
| 11:45.41 | buu | Huh. |
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| 11:45.59 | Nik05 | so then you can make a package |
| 11:46.04 | dschooh | Hi there. |
| 11:46.21 | buu | Eduard_Munteanu: What do you see in /var/lib/dkms ? |
| 11:46.40 | Eduard_Munteanu | buu, oh, it is there, thanks. |
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| 11:47.10 | buu | Eduard_Munteanu: Presumably the things that put it there are in /var/lib/dpkg/info |
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| 11:47.34 | dschooh | dist-upgrade on unstable wants to remove xserver-xorg-video-modesetting |
| 11:47.40 | dschooh | Is this a safe thing to do? |
| 11:48.17 | dschooh | https://release.debian.org/transitions/ does not list xserver anymore so I wondered. |
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| 11:48.59 | Nik05 | dschooh xserver-xorg-video-modesettig is only in experimental |
| 11:49.11 | Nik05 | so it should probaly be removed |
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| 11:50.29 | dschooh | It is? https://packages.debian.org/de/sid/xserver-xorg-video-modesetting |
| 11:51.15 | Nik05 | packages.debian.org is probably a little behind |
| 11:51.26 | dschooh | Ah okay, thanks! |
| 11:51.33 | Nik05 | [2015-05-14] Removed 0.9.0-1 from unstable |
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| 11:55.15 | Eduard_Munteanu | You probably don't want it anyway, because it doesn't give you 2D acceleration or anything else, IIRC. |
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| 11:58.39 | Lautaro | Desconnect my u_u |
| 11:59.16 | Lautaro | start the so debian, a full screen grey and not loading gnome. Version 8 final dvd 1 in web site oficial, help my please |
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| 12:00.49 | Eduard_Munteanu | Lautaro, does the login manager start? |
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| 12:03.57 | Lautaro | I don't now, no. start in grey screen no opcion, i my goto terminal mode and excecute startx and load the gnome but reboot not start gnome |
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| 12:05.09 | Lautaro | I'm speak spanish sorry for errors |
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| 12:08.12 | jamesmcm | probablemente sea un problema con GDM |
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| 12:18.41 | Lautaro | y como lo podria cheakear? |
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| 12:18.50 | Nik05 | Lautaro english? |
| 12:19.23 | Nik05 | oh you already said something, is it a clean install? |
| 12:21.04 | Nik05 | Lautaro have you tried systemctl enable gdm ? |
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| 12:23.58 | FlyingPersian | hi. is there only a version of debian with GUI or also CLI-only? |
| 12:24.42 | p3rror | please how kdump report is generated |
| 12:24.57 | p3rror | may I need to run something with a kernel hang |
| 12:24.58 | Nik05 | FlyingPersian if you dont install a desktop environment you only have a commandline |
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| 12:25.11 | FlyingPersian | hm I didn't want to install a desktop environment, but it seems I did :D |
| 12:25.33 | Nik05 | you need to disable it in the installer |
| 12:25.56 | Nik05 | but now you can also remove the packages |
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| 12:26.17 | FlyingPersian | afterwards? |
| 12:26.22 | Nik05 | yes, ofcourse |
| 12:26.25 | FlyingPersian | ah okay |
| 12:26.39 | FlyingPersian | I just watched a video on the installation and now I see that I didn't remove the desktop environment |
| 12:27.19 | Nik05 | im not sure which package it installs wen you dont disable it in the installer, but it shouldnt be too hard to find |
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| 12:27.31 | Bushman | hi |
| 12:27.40 | FlyingPersian | I'll just reinstall it |
| 12:27.49 | FlyingPersian | it's easier than reading through forums now |
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| 12:28.01 | Nik05 | FlyingPersian probably a package task-*-desktop |
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| 12:28.19 | Nik05 | FlyingPersian no dont do that |
| 12:28.25 | FlyingPersian | why? |
| 12:28.33 | Bushman | i have a problem with uting and unmuting, not everything gets unmuted back. anyone know the issue and have a solution i could use? |
| 12:28.36 | p3rror | please do you have experience with kdump ? |
| 12:28.41 | Nik05 | well you can just remove the package |
| 12:28.52 | Bushman | *muting |
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| 12:29.35 | FlyingPersian | okay I'll try |
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| 12:32.08 | superfast | anyone else seeing Distorted and Fuzzy Youtube videos? What could be the problem? |
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| 12:33.28 | Nik05 | superfast flash or html5? |
| 12:33.38 | superfast | Nik05, I use Main repo only |
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| 12:33.45 | Nik05 | ? |
| 12:33.48 | Nik05 | oh oke |
| 12:33.50 | superfast | Nik05, HTML5 default Jessie |
| 12:34.00 | superfast | Youtube is HTML5 by default now |
| 12:34.07 | Nik05 | oh really, oke |
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| 12:34.23 | Nik05 | is it reproducable or random? |
| 12:34.26 | superfast | it happens when you reply the same video mostly |
| 12:34.40 | superfast | replay* |
| 12:34.53 | superfast | It is distorted and fuzzy |
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| 12:39.55 | superfast | Nik05, Do you want a picture? |
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| 12:40.37 | Nik05 | can be helpful |
| 12:40.55 | superfast | https://lut.im/9dqj1LeG/N3TgY6sI <-- this is what I see in Youtube mostly when I am replaying the same video |
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| 12:41.18 | lv_ | i'm trying to pin a specific kernel version and still run aptitude full-upgrade --- i pinned in /etc/apt/preferences, verified with apt-cache policy linux-image-virtual, but still the kernel upgrades -- any ideas? |
| 12:41.23 | lv_ | is somehow the kernel exempt from pinning? is there a better way to do this? |
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| 12:43.12 | jelly | lv_: pastebin actual commands and complete output of both, and "apt-cache policy" |
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| 12:45.00 | Nik05 | superfast i have no idea, maybe someone else does |
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| 12:46.31 | superfast | Nik05, One genius person gave me a solution to add &html5=1 in the end of the url and then wait until I can replay it to see if it works |
| 12:46.38 | superfast | I am waiting for it |
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| 12:50.06 | berarma_ | How can I generate a set of radion buttons that can be scattered thru the page instead of all together? |
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| 12:50.33 | berarma_ | I should be able to generate them one by one but all with the same input name. |
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| 12:51.43 | fireba11 | berarma_: wrong channel? |
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| 12:52.03 | fireba11 | berarma_: and yes but only inside the same form |
| 12:52.14 | lv_ | jelly: http://pastebin.com/XWDgSXx8 |
| 12:52.36 | mc68020 | man since when did ethernet controllers need firmware |
| 12:52.44 | mc68020 | i mean i can sort of understand why a wifi interface might |
| 12:52.50 | mc68020 | but ethernet? really? |
| 12:52.54 | superfast | is anyone else having issues with Iceweasel when using Youtube? |
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| 12:53.16 | berarma_ | ooops!!! sorry and thanks fireba11 |
| 12:53.21 | themill | mc68020: there's no reason why they should be any different in their use of firmware |
| 12:53.34 | lv_ | jelly: http://pastebin.com/LVBaNv7B <- whats the dpkg_opt switch to say no here |
| 12:53.40 | superfast | I think Iceweasel needs an update |
| 12:53.42 | superfast | it is buggy |
| 12:53.54 | Bushman | i have a problem with muting and unmuting, not everything gets unmuted back. does anyone know the issue and have any solution i could use? |
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| 12:54.21 | vadim__ | test |
| 12:54.50 | themill | lv_: you were in the right place when you asked #ubuntu. |
| 12:55.00 | lv_ | themill: haha |
| 12:55.28 | vadim__ | where can I download debian kernel source with patches? |
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| 12:55.34 | buu | from apt? |
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| 12:55.44 | vadim__ | without apt? |
| 12:55.52 | buu | from an apt mirror? |
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| 12:57.20 | vadim__ | buu, can you give me a link? |
| 12:58.16 | mc68020 | vadim__, look through the documentation at https://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage |
| 12:58.25 | Eduard_Munteanu | vadim__, if you find the package on packages.debian.org, follow the link to the source package then look for a link to a source repository. |
| 12:58.31 | mc68020 | it'll show you how to grab the kernel source and debian's patches thereto |
| 12:58.53 | blami | hi I have my /boot partition on fat32 fs (efi machine) and everytime I upgrade kernel image I have to fight with apt which is trying to backup old image by (hard)linking it which is obviously not supported on fat32 |
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| 12:59.39 | blami | is there any flag to disable making those backups? I found /etc/kernel-img.conf do_symlinks but that seem to not have any effect |
| 12:59.50 | vadim__ | i found this https://packages.debian.org/jessie/linux-source-3.16 |
| 13:00.01 | mc68020 | vadim__, that's the right packageg |
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| 13:00.33 | vadim__ | bat how to download it? |
| 13:01.17 | vadim__ | I want to download only source with patches. |
| 13:01.39 | blami | vadim__: I think best way to obtain source with patches would be apt-get source linux-image-<VERSION>-<ARCH> |
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| 13:02.18 | Bushman | i have a problem with muting and unmuting, not everything gets unmuted back. does anyone know the issue and have any solution i could use? |
| 13:02.28 | vadim__ | blami, I am not on Debian now. Bat want to build the same kernel in arch |
| 13:02.43 | blami | vadim__: why? |
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| 13:02.54 | lv_ | is there a flag for aptitude to pass a No here, at the prompt? Accept this solution? [Y/n/q/?] ? |
| 13:03.00 | vadim__ | I have a trable with my hardware |
| 13:03.03 | lv_ | I know I can hack with `yes`, but i'd rather not |
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| 13:05.06 | vadim__ | blami, I just can't detect the bag. |
| 13:05.07 | swiftynb | are things like the shell shock exploit covered in security.debain wheezy/updates? or is that in the wheezy-updates? |
| 13:05.12 | blami | vadim__: it's generally not a good idea to use kernel made for another distribution |
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| 13:05.40 | vadim__ | blami, what I should do instead? |
| 13:06.02 | blami | vadim__: what kind of issue you have? wouldn't be better to just diff debian's kernel .config to arch's .config and cherrypick missing option? |
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| 13:06.29 | themill | swiftynb: security updates are fixed in the security repositories but they are later copied into the main archive at point release time. Thinks like shellshock were fixed in wheezy months ago |
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| 13:07.04 | blami | vadim__: it's not always patch, sometimes it might be only option. And I'd say Debian is really conservative in patches against vanilla |
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| 13:07.26 | vadim__ | blami, the difference in temperature about 10 *C . |
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| 13:08.05 | swiftynb | are there any security concerns in not having the wheezy-updates repo? |
| 13:08.16 | FlyingPersian | weird, my keyboard layout is set to german, but it isn't german |
| 13:09.12 | FlyingPersian | might that be related to virtualbox? |
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| 13:09.39 | blami | vadim__: that will be probably rather userspace thing |
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| 13:10.40 | vadim__ | blami, I am not think so. For example I see this difference in Fedora betwen 3.19.1-201.fc21.x86_64 and 3.19.3-200.fc21.x86_64 |
| 13:10.56 | themill | swiftynb: it pretty much only contains tzdata and freshclam. |
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| 13:12.34 | blami | vadim__: shouldn't be hard then to pinpoint the patch in changelogs between these two and apply on current kernel |
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| 13:15.39 | vadim__ | blami, what the best way to diff them? |
| 13:15.43 | swiftynb | okay cool thanks, one other question if i include deb-src, that does not actually install anything extra it just downloads the source code of the new repo? |
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| 13:19.35 | FlyingPersian | whats going on with the damn keyboard layouts in debian!? it's totally false, changed it to en now and it's still wrong |
| 13:19.58 | Nik05 | what is the problem? |
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| 13:20.19 | FlyingPersian | the buttons don't match |
| 13:20.24 | FlyingPersian | I can't find the / |
| 13:20.37 | FlyingPersian | I'm on a german keyboard, but german is off also |
| 13:20.46 | FlyingPersian | many buttons don't match the keyboard |
| 13:21.19 | FlyingPersian | ssh isn't working as it's listening to the IP 0.0.0.0 and I only need to install one thing, so I figured the console would be enough |
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| 13:22.30 | FlyingPersian | https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Configuring_the_interface_manually |
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| 13:22.49 | FlyingPersian | and it doesn't know any of these commands to change the IP of my debian server :x |
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| 13:27.50 | Bushman | i have a problem with muting and unmuting, not everything gets unmuted back. does anyone know the issue and have any solution i could use? |
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| 13:30.09 | Nik05 | Bushman please explain more about your problem |
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| 13:33.00 | Bushman | Nik05: if i mute audio (does not matter if witha keyboard shortcut or with mouse clicks on the mixer) it mutes Master AND Speaker but ONLY unmutes master and leaves speaker muted |
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| 13:33.34 | Bushman | i use xfce 4.10 with debian 8 |
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| 13:34.24 | Bushman | brand new, installed yesterday. (got tired with the crap i had to go trough with ubuntu) |
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| 13:34.47 | DelphiWorld | ?v libyuv |
| 13:34.55 | DelphiWorld | !v libyuv |
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| 13:35.04 | DelphiWorld | yo jelly |
| 13:35.11 | DelphiWorld | what's the bot used for package lookup? |
| 13:35.46 | buu | dpkg: hello |
| 13:35.46 | dpkg | hello |
| 13:36.13 | jelly | DelphiWorld: /msg judd v packagename |
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| 13:37.06 | jelly | DelphiWorld: but you probably want "apt-cache search stuff", unless you know the exact package name in advance |
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| 13:37.49 | Bushman | on unrelated note: why does browsing network not work? 'Failed to open "/ on ".' |
| 13:37.52 | DelphiWorld | jelly: exactly |
| 13:38.02 | DelphiWorld | thank jelly ! |
| 13:38.41 | Bushman | i just clicked "browse network". if it's there, why doesn't it work out of the box? and what's missing? |
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| 13:43.28 | DammitJim | what do you guys use for configuration management? |
| 13:43.47 | buu | people |
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| 13:44.05 | fireba11 | DammitJim: define configuration management |
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| 13:44.11 | DammitJim | :) I meant in terms of keeping track of what "people" are changing |
| 13:44.32 | DammitJim | so, someone says... we need to change the connection pools on the tomcat instance |
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| 13:44.49 | DammitJim | we have no way to track that change unless "people" write it down on a log of some sort |
| 13:45.15 | Ticho | formal change management process, with approvals and everything |
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| 13:45.36 | fireba11 | DammitJim: nothing specific. i got backups of my config files with the regular backup. also i created the policy of not editing config inplace but put it in /opt/etc/... and symlink it to it's normal place so you know what files were manually edited |
| 13:46.02 | DammitJim | fireba11, thanks for the feedback |
| 13:46.16 | fireba11 | depends on how big a pool of people we are talking about and how strict you want your policy to be :-) |
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| 13:46.39 | DammitJim | fireba11, right now it's 3 people, but I'm looking to expand that to 6 |
| 13:46.53 | DammitJim | so, I worry that the current process might not work (it's already failing) |
| 13:47.03 | fireba11 | of course putting comments in always helps, i got some important config files in a SVN |
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| 13:47.29 | fireba11 | commit your whole /etc to git? :-D |
| 13:47.38 | DammitJim | fireba11, yeah, I'm looking at having an SVN repo (I already built it) |
| 13:47.44 | DammitJim | LOL... maybe |
| 13:48.02 | DammitJim | then I've been reading about using salt or something of that sort to configure the servers? |
| 13:48.08 | DammitJim | and have some kind of versioning control? |
| 13:48.19 | shay_shay | Bushman: you likely need gvfs-backends if you're in xfce |
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| 13:48.57 | fireba11 | DammitJim: if you got a large server pool you might want to use something centralized that versions the changes and pushes them out to your servers ... not sure what options are for that though |
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| 13:49.37 | DammitJim | yeah, that's my issue... I have about 40 production servers |
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| 13:49.58 | DammitJim | some are similar in software they run, but different in configuration settings |
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| 13:50.39 | fireba11 | not that much yet. but i don't know what increase you might need to plan ahead for :-) |
| 13:51.09 | shay_shay | we use hand written python/bash scripts in conjunction with git to propagate changes across our servers |
| 13:51.41 | DammitJim | shay_shay, is it mostly an scp type of thing? |
| 13:51.45 | DammitJim | do you use some kind of svn? |
| 13:51.58 | shay_shay | yeah scp |
| 13:52.01 | fireba11 | DammitJim: he said git :-D |
| 13:52.05 | shay_shay | and git |
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| 13:52.13 | DammitJim | oh yeah, thanks |
| 13:52.18 | DammitJim | I need more coffee |
| 13:52.25 | fireba11 | shay_shay: sounds reasonable :-) |
| 13:52.26 | DammitJim | hhmmmm... salt seems to use pythong extensively |
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| 13:55.15 | DammitJim | shay_shay, if you don't mind, could you explain the process? |
| 13:55.15 | DammitJim | if this is out of topic, please let me know to go somewhere else |
| 13:55.15 | DammitJim | like, someone requests a change, what do you do? Do you also have a ticketing system? |
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| 13:55.15 | fireba11 | DammitJim: apparently there is also puppet, chef and ansible if you don't like salt |
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| 13:55.16 | fireba11 | DammitJim: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_open-source_configuration_management_software |
| 13:55.16 | DammitJim | fireba11, yes... I looked at puppet and chef, but salt seemed to be easy to set up due to my python background |
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| 13:55.22 | petan | IDK if this is a bug but it seems to me that Jessie is having some troubles with IPv6 autoconfig |
| 13:55.58 | petan | I tried installing debian 7 and 8 on my network, but only debian 7 is able to get IPv6 from DHCP server, for debian 8 I always have to do /etc/init.d/networking restart after boot for it to start up properly |
| 13:56.10 | fireba11 | DammitJim: most options seem to be in python :-) |
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| 13:56.25 | DammitJim | si |
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| 13:58.58 | fireba11 | petan: got no problem on the 1 jessie box where i acutally use ipv6 with DHCP |
| 13:58.58 | tomodachi | petan: i doubt that ipv6 support in debian8 would be broken, so most probably your config is broken |
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| 13:59.00 | fireba11 | that too :-D |
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| 14:25.59 | Bushman | shay_shay: why isn't that installed by default? and why i get no information i need that? it's silly to have features that have missing dependencies but are present out of the box. |
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| 14:26.00 | Bushman | shouldn't there be some sort of mechanizm that would inform the user it's missing stuff and he should install it first? |
| 14:26.02 | Bushman | or not show the network button in the first place? |
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| 14:26.07 | Bushman | no wonder people tell me they don't like linux because it's complicated. even i, after over 11 years of using it pretty much everyday find THAT situation idiotic. |
| 14:26.08 | netstar | with Debian? |
| 14:26.10 | netstar | Maybe you should use another more user-friendly distribution |
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| 14:26.11 | Bushman | netstar: well, ubuntu's user-friendlines lead me to installing debian. |
| 14:26.11 | netstar | that's a "step down" you know right? |
| 14:26.11 | Bushman | after couple of recent updates things started to break apart. |
| 14:26.11 | netstar | and you are using debian "stable"? |
| 14:26.15 | Bushman | in what way a step down? |
| 14:26.17 | netstar | it's less user friendly - that respect. |
| 14:26.17 | Bushman | and i have no idea... i've clicked the first netinstall image i found on debian.org. |
| 14:26.17 | Bushman | well, i know that. |
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| 14:26.17 | netstar | Bushman, "cat /etc/issue" what does it say? |
| 14:26.17 | Bushman | but since i had to do lots of crap in terminal anyway, it's not a big difference to me. |
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| 14:26.19 | Bushman | Debian GNU/Linux 8 \n \l |
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| 14:26.21 | Bushman | netstar: ? |
| 14:26.22 | netstar | yep, sorry |
| 14:26.22 | netstar | I think most Linux users nowadays are UI experts and users |
| 14:26.23 | netstar | esp with Ubuntu/Mint etc. |
| 14:26.23 | netstar | the GUI tools are simple to use |
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| 14:26.27 | gniourf | is that why ed doesn't ship by default and that vi is not the default editor? |
| 14:26.29 | ChrisH | https://www.pinterest.com/pin/87398048988471855/ |
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| 14:26.30 | markand | hi |
| 14:26.30 | markand | there are some wiki parts completely anemic |
| 14:26.30 | markand | https://wiki.debian.org/DakHowTo |
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| 14:26.41 | shay_shay | Bushman: its not the default desktop |
| 14:28.54 | shay_shay | who cares what ships by default, if you don't like it then you should write a custom preseed |
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| 14:29.22 | Voyage | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:29.22 | weeme | hi |
| 14:29.22 | jelly | Voyage: that's a very vague question. |
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| 14:29.24 | weeme | Does anyone here know how to restore a .ibd .frm mysql database? I have the ibdata1, ib_logfile0 and ib_lobfile1 files aswell. |
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| 14:30.25 | Voyage | jelly, you know scripts that would do stuff that I do in commandline. rsync ssh, copy files, change configs, connect to another server, do stuff, return back. what ever....... |
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| 14:31.00 | petn-randall | Voyage: Learn bash scripting. |
| 14:31.09 | babilen | weeme: #mysql is probably better (and you should be able to just put them into place and use appropriate settings in your my.cnf) |
| 14:31.38 | weeme | I cant speek in mysql for some reason |
| 14:32.07 | weeme | do I have to register to use it? |
| 14:32.18 | themill | yes; /msg nickserv help register |
| 14:32.35 | shay_shay | Voyage: /join #bash |
| 14:32.46 | shay_shay | read topic. |
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| 14:35.44 | Voyage | petn-randall, shay_shay can anyone give an example of things that cannot be done by bash and we need python to do so? |
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| 14:36.35 | _Folken_ | how to crash jessie without x11 environment: systemctl isolate rescue.target |
| 14:36.43 | _Folken_ | systemctl isolate multi-user.target |
| 14:36.59 | shay_shay | Voyage: its easier to make an example of what bash can do. Slackware's entire package manager is written in bash. gentoos is written in python |
| 14:37.00 | petn-randall | Voyage: there's no such thing, you can also program in bash. There are some things that are easier python though; it takes experience to know where the boundaries are. |
| 14:37.09 | themill | Voyage: floating point arithmetic |
| 14:37.21 | petn-randall | themill: You could always call bc ;) |
| 14:37.30 | themill | bc ≠bash |
| 14:37.45 | petn-randall | themill: Yeah, but bash isn't much without all the tools you can easily call. |
| 14:38.03 | ChrisH | Voyage: doit in bash or maybe ansible/saltstack/puppet/chef and make sure to check and react proper on returnvalues from the commands you called. |
| 14:38.10 | shay_shay | I embed all kinds of perl in my bash scripts, I think without it it would be useless |
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| 14:38.54 | shay_shay | one liners I mean |
| 14:39.16 | ChrisH | Voyage: it sounds more like an orchestration what you are requesting |
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| 14:41.40 | shay_shay | Voyage: the thing that gets annoying in bash is parsing text from pipes... and sometimes you get into a quoting escaping vicious cycle... but with experience you can get better at avoiding those places |
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| 14:42.06 | Voyage | hm |
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| 14:42.36 | shay_shay | I think its a good idea to learn bash first because it will enhance your interactive command line skills |
| 14:43.01 | Voyage | hm |
| 14:43.04 | Voyage | thanks |
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| 15:07.25 | azmodeus | hi there... I'm running a Debian based distro and I was wondering if I can find help there as well, for this output message "Error mounting: mount exited with exit code 1: helper failed with: |
| 15:07.25 | azmodeus | Unprivileged user can not mount NTFS block devices using the external FUSE |
| 15:07.25 | azmodeus | library. Either mount the volume as root, or rebuild NTFS-3G with integrated" |
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| 15:08.15 | azmodeus | FUSE support and make it setuid root." <-- this was the missing part |
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| 15:09.07 | queso | Is there a site that would list debian-compatible webcams? |
| 15:10.58 | jordanm | queso: most webcams support a standard that is linux compatible |
| 15:11.09 | queso | jordanm: Looks like this is what I want: http://www.ideasonboard.org/uvc/ |
| 15:11.18 | queso | thx |
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| 15:11.26 | abrotman | dpkg: tell queso about ubc |
| 15:11.28 | abrotman | dpkg: tell queso about uvc |
| 15:11.39 | abrotman | dpkg: tell queso about uvc |
| 15:11.43 | abrotman | darn bot |
| 15:12.14 | queso | abrotman: thx :) |
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| 15:20.02 | os_ | hi, is there anybody here uses Konversation? |
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| 15:21.05 | os_ | i want to ensure if this thing is a bug |
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| 15:24.04 | nse | is there regularly something more than just packages in a section of a repository? in other words, is it proper to say that a section is consisted basically of packages? |
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| 15:28.43 | nse | ok. just got the answer |
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| 15:38.01 | r3m | Hi, wheezy will be old stable for how many time? I mean, I will get update for how many times? |
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| 15:39.34 | joldy | many many time bb |
| 15:39.54 | joldy | or till Feb 16 |
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| 15:54.58 | iveevue | What is /etc/aliases ? |
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| 15:58.24 | petn-randall | iveevue: It's a mapping table for mail forwarding. |
| 15:58.53 | tsun | Is there a way to make /var/www read/write without chmoding it 777 or something? My user is already in the www-data group, but I still can't write to it. |
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| 16:00.05 | petn-randall | tsun: Make sure the group is www-data, and the right group bits are set. |
| 16:00.07 | valdyn | tsun: the point of www-data is the put apache2 in a group that *cannot* write /var/www |
| 16:01.07 | b4tm4n | does mkfs /dev/sdb (as opposed to mkfs /dev/sdb1) create a logical volume? |
| 16:02.00 | Walex2 | b4tm4n: wrong question. |
| 16:02.23 | petn-randall | b4tm4n: That would wipe your partition table and create a filesystem on the naked device. |
| 16:02.29 | Walex2 | b4tm4n: a good answer could be: probably yellow. |
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| 16:03.03 | tsun | So, should I be running this command `sudo chown -R www-data:www-data /var/www`? |
| 16:03.09 | petn-randall | b4tm4n: If you want logical volumes, look into LVM (man lvm, pvcreate, lvcreate, etc.) |
| 16:03.16 | valdyn | tsun: that would be very stupid |
| 16:03.28 | b4tm4n | Walex2, petn-randall is that the only way to create a logical volume? |
| 16:03.40 | tsun | Also, I'm not sure what kind of bits you mean, petn-randall. |
| 16:03.47 | petn-randall | tsun: If you want any attacker to gain write access to your site on success, you would achieve that with this. |
| 16:03.56 | tsun | valdyn: Alright, but is there a way around it somehow? |
| 16:04.09 | valdyn | tsun: www-data *restricts* apache2 |
| 16:04.16 | Walex2 | b4tm4n: again a question that is wrong. You are using either the wrong terms or the wrong concepts. |
| 16:04.19 | tsun | Oh no, the site is on my laptop, a local site, not online. |
| 16:04.23 | valdyn | tsun: its not the group to use to *allow* anything |
| 16:04.30 | tsun | ah |
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| 16:04.45 | valdyn | tsun: /var/www should be readable by all already |
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| 16:04.57 | petn-randall | tsun: Do you understand the concept of unix file permissions yet? It's quite well described in the first paragraphs of 'man chmod'. |
| 16:04.57 | Walex2 | b4tm4n: are you familiar with the UNIX concept of "block device"? |
| 16:05.09 | valdyn | tsun: if you want a group to be able to write to it, create a group "wwriter" and allow it to write there |
| 16:05.28 | b4tm4n | Walex2, i'm sorry - i'm trying to figure this out. lvm is not particularly useful to me as this is in a virtual env |
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| 16:06.21 | Walex2 | b4tm4n: your could ask a question about what you are trying to achieve. |
| 16:06.23 | Guest8000 | If I have 3 servers and I wish them to have the same date & time down to microseconds, is ntpdate the way to do it? |
| 16:06.40 | Walex2 | Guest8000: "microsecond" is a bit ambitious. |
| 16:06.48 | valdyn | Guest8000: yea |
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| 16:06.55 | Guest8000 | Walex2: I need microseconds. |
| 16:07.00 | tsun | Well, I know how to use chmod, but not in full details I guess. But I'm not planning on putting this apache server online, it's just so I can see my local sites and change things. I guess I'll make a group to write to it as you suggested. Is that a fair idea? |
| 16:07.02 | valdyn | Guest8000: forget it |
| 16:07.06 | valdyn | Guest8000: you cant get that |
| 16:07.09 | Walex2 | Guest8000: it will take considerable expertise |
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| 16:07.15 | Guest8000 | What can I get? |
| 16:07.18 | valdyn | no its impossible |
| 16:07.21 | valdyn | not with pc hardware |
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| 16:07.44 | Walex2 | Guest8000: you can have a single clock source that feeds all three NTP servers |
| 16:07.46 | valdyn | Guest8000: milliseconds probably |
| 16:07.49 | petn-randall | Guest8000: Explain us first why you need microsecond synchronization, it's a very unusual request. |
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| 16:07.56 | b4tm4n | Walex2, I am setting up a server that has a small drive for the OS and a larger drive for data. I was told that i need to make sure that the larger data drive is a "logical volume" as this make it easier to expand in the future. So, how do I make sure that my data drive (/dev/sdb) is a logical volume? |
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| 16:08.23 | Walex2 | b4tm4n: '/dev/sdb' is not a "data drive". |
| 16:08.28 | Guest8000 | We capture packages from two sip routers and need the packages to be very precise on the timing |
| 16:08.33 | petn-randall | b4tm4n: That's what LVM is for, check the man pages I suggested. |
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| 16:09.01 | Guest8000 | I takes 3 ms to communicate from one sip router to the other. I need to beat that |
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| 16:09.08 | b4tm4n | petn-randall, i've read about LVM, but was told by my boss that LVM is not necessary as we're not doing raid and are in a virtual env |
| 16:09.08 | valdyn | Guest8000: why do you think you need microsecond accuracy for that? |
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| 16:09.14 | Walex2 | b4tm4n: you are using the wrong concepts and terms. |
| 16:09.21 | valdyn | Guest8000: ms is *milli*-seconds |
| 16:09.29 | Guest8000 | yeah, but we want to have a buffer |
| 16:09.32 | Guest8000 | < 1 micro pref |
| 16:09.37 | b4tm4n | Walex2, ok, so how can i address that? |
| 16:09.38 | Guest8000 | milli |
| 16:09.39 | Guest8000 | * |
| 16:09.42 | valdyn | Guest8000: just forget it |
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| 16:10.07 | Walex2 | b4tm4n: depends on what you want to achieve... And you are not clear as to what you want to achieve. But I can vaguely explain to you. |
| 16:10.14 | petn-randall | b4tm4n: LVM and RAID are not related in any way. If that's a virtual drive, you could simply expand it virtually and run 'resize2fs <yourdrive>', but IMO LVM still makes sense here. |
| 16:10.19 | Guest8000 | Ok, so lets create the best we can do. Best practice is to have a local ntp server or will the public pool's just do fine? |
| 16:10.22 | valdyn | Guest8000: you dont even have any bus that can be that fast |
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| 16:10.39 | Walex2 | b4tm4n: however <petn-randall> just gave you a semi-sensible reply |
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| 16:11.04 | Walex2 | Guest8000: local NTP server and local time source, ideally a GPS clock which are quite cheap |
| 16:11.08 | Andre-B | any idea why tail -c 128 somefile would not print out anything though the file has content? |
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| 16:11.31 | Guest8000 | Walex2: if we forget the clock for a bit, why is having a local NTP server pref? |
| 16:11.42 | petn-randall | Andre-B: Maybe it's only whitespace? |
| 16:12.01 | b4tm4n | Walex2, petn-randall, agreed - i've read about LVM and understand how I can use it to achieve what i'm trying to do. However, my boss/co-worker suggested it could be done without LVM and I am trying to figure that out. I don't want to just follow a guide, I also want to understand my options. |
| 16:12.03 | Walex2 | Guest8000: jitter minimization |
| 16:12.35 | petn-randall | Guest8000: Your CPU timeslices are larger than that, you can't simply get realtime capabilities out of commodity hardware. |
| 16:12.43 | Andre-B | petn-randall: an idea what I could use to count the length of that output (including whitespace?) |
| 16:13.34 | petn-randall | Guest8000: Heck, your NIC is probably slower than that. Even on an idle Ethernet switch, you've got higher latencies. |
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| 16:14.32 | b4tm4n | Walex2, i have two hard drives connected to my VM. one is mapped to /dev/sda and is to be used for the OS. The other is mapped to /dev/sdb and is to be used for data storage. We do not know exactly how large to make this drive, so we are making it a reasonable size now and will expand it in VMWare later if need be. I was told that in order for the drive to be expanded without issues, it needed to be a "logical volume". How ca |
| 16:14.32 | b4tm4n | n I achieve that without LVM? |
| 16:15.01 | valdyn | b4tm4n: thats of course nonsense |
| 16:15.12 | Guest8000 | maybe a silly question, once I have a ntp server up and properly synced. How can I see if two machines have the same time down to microseconds? To see any diff |
| 16:15.14 | b4tm4n | valdyn, what do you mean? |
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| 16:16.19 | valdyn | b4tm4n: if vmware can grow or shrink the drive, then thats that. Lvm has got nothing to do with it |
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| 16:16.43 | b4tm4n | valdyn, correct, but for the growing/shrinking to work reliably the drive needs to be a logical drive |
| 16:16.48 | b4tm4n | or volume |
| 16:16.54 | valdyn | b4tm4n: nope |
| 16:17.07 | b4tm4n | without affecting the content of the drive? |
| 16:17.11 | valdyn | b4tm4n: and there's no "logical drives" |
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| 16:18.07 | b4tm4n | valdyn, is there a way to create a logical volume without lvm? |
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| 16:18.14 | valdyn | b4tm4n: no |
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| 16:18.19 | petn-randall | Guest8000: By typing 'date' really fast on both machines. Ideally pressing enter in the same microsecond. |
| 16:18.28 | Guest8000 | Great tip |
| 16:18.31 | valdyn | b4tm4n: logical volume is a technical term of lvm, of course you need lvm for it |
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| 16:19.01 | valdyn | b4tm4n: just like partition is a technical term from microsoft |
| 16:19.13 | valdyn | b4tm4n: that has got nothing to do with the unterlying capabilities |
| 16:19.59 | petn-randall | Guest8000: You can run 'ntpq -p' on both machines to see how large the jitter is to the NTP server. How are those machines all connected to each other? |
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| 16:20.21 | Guest8000 | petn-randall: ethernet |
| 16:20.26 | b4tm4n | valdyn, so you are saying for me to create a logical volume, I need lvm? |
| 16:20.37 | valdyn | b4tm4n: naturally |
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| 16:22.01 | petn-randall | Guest8000: You can't have such low latency guarantee on Ethernet. You might come below < 1ms guaranteed if you connect both machines directly to each other. |
| 16:22.25 | Guest8000 | currently there are 3ms between them. |
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| 16:25.03 | PrinceAMD | what command can i use to convert 254 images (jpeg) into 1 pdf? |
| 16:25.23 | PrinceAMD | i've tried convert but it does not work, (i run out of ram) |
| 16:25.44 | Tilgaht | well do it sequentially |
| 16:25.47 | petn-randall | Guest8000: How will NTP make that difference smaller? |
| 16:25.55 | Tilgaht | on a range of 10 by ten and then pdfunite |
| 16:26.26 | Guest8000 | we do not wish to lower the latency between them. We just wish them to be on the same time |
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| 16:27.17 | baum | i'm trying to install some sound drivers, so far i installed alsa-base, alsa-utils and pulseaudio - did i miss anything? |
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| 16:35.06 | Vitfalk | Hello guys |
| 16:35.10 | baum | was missing a reboot *fixed* |
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| 16:36.13 | baum | Vitfalk: hello |
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| 16:36.52 | Vitfalk | Hello baum I 've installed the new debian 8 jessie and go ok but im going mad how to install tor browser on debian ..?? |
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| 16:37.27 | Vitfalk | How can i install tor browser from terminal ? |
| 16:37.52 | Vitfalk | I have fund only info for ubuntu and not for debin |
| 16:37.57 | Vitfalk | debian |
| 16:37.57 | rfreeman_w | Vitfalk, one idea is to just download the tor file from the author's site, gpg verify / write down checksum, unpack it and just run it from user |
| 16:38.02 | baum | Vitfalk: just use "apt-get install tor"? |
| 16:38.05 | rfreeman_w | Vitfalk, better create separate user for this |
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| 16:38.16 | rfreeman_w | baum, he probably means Tor Browser Bundle |
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| 16:38.40 | baum | rfreeman_w: ah yep, makes more sense |
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| 16:38.57 | rfreeman_w | it is not in repo in debian8 either, right? then yea just do it by hand |
| 16:38.59 | Vitfalk | yes rfeeman Tor browser Bundle |
| 16:39.13 | rfreeman_w | Vitfalk, in future we will make it available in the Mempo - security add-on for Debian |
| 16:39.49 | Vitfalk | ok but @ moment how can i install it? |
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| 16:41.21 | rfreeman_w | Vitfalk, I said above |
| 16:41.23 | rfreeman_w | bbl |
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| 16:42.04 | Vitfalk | baum I try to download from the website? |
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| 16:47.01 | baum | Vitfalk: did you try executing tor? |
| 16:47.36 | baum | Vitfalk: chmod +x tor |
| 16:47.45 | baum | Vitfalk: ./tor |
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| 16:48.28 | Vitfalk | im trying to open the application from click |
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| 16:48.44 | Teduardo | Howdy, I'm using the net install media for Debian 8 to install and the first thing it does is come up and tell me that it can't detect my CD rom |
| 16:49.04 | Teduardo | it doesnt need a cdrom, it's a net install |
| 16:49.28 | Vitfalk | baum now it works |
| 16:49.39 | Vitfalk | baum thanx |
| 16:49.39 | baum | Vitfalk: what did you do? |
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| 16:50.10 | Vitfalk | i've opened the downloaded file and go to tor setup |
| 16:50.39 | _Folken_ | Teduardo: the netinstall loads udebs from the cd. |
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| 16:51.09 | baum | VirtouZ: nice |
| 16:51.30 | cafuego | why don't you just install the tor package? |
| 16:51.34 | Vitfalk | baum i've a question The jessie version its a stable release? |
| 16:52.01 | _Folken_ | Teduardo: what kind of hardware do you have? |
| 16:52.18 | baum | Vitfalk: jessie is stable yes |
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| 16:53.28 | _Folken_ | i might disagree with jessie being stable.. ;) |
| 16:53.44 | _Folken_ | bit that is my opinion. |
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| 16:55.55 | ioudas | jesse couldnt even start ejabberd ;-/ |
| 16:55.57 | ioudas | for me |
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| 16:56.39 | _Folken_ | well you can crash it rather reliably by going systemctl rescue, login and then go systemctl default |
| 16:56.51 | _Folken_ | agetty uses 100% cpu |
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| 16:57.22 | jelly | _Folken_: did you file a bug report |
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| 16:57.39 | _Folken_ | jelly: the bug is open since 2014 |
| 16:57.45 | jelly | which one is it? |
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| 16:58.02 | ioudas | lol |
| 16:58.49 | baum | is running jessie since quite a while now :) |
| 16:58.58 | _Folken_ | jelly: #771125 |
| 16:59.00 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/771125 in mutt (closed, security): «mutt: CVE-2014-9116: write_one_header can call mutt_substrdup with begin > end, leading to crash»; severity: serious; opened: 2014-11-26; last modified: 2015-01-11. |
| 16:59.17 | _Folken_ | woops |
| 16:59.24 | _Folken_ | bloody cut&paste |
| 16:59.49 | _Folken_ | #693522 |
| 16:59.52 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/693522 in systemd (open, unreproducible, upstream): «systemd: Doing init 5 from runlevel 1 will result in an unusable system»; severity: normal; opened: 2012-11-17; last modified: 2014-08-03. |
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| 17:03.15 | _Folken_ | Happens also in a clean install of debian 8. :/ |
| 17:03.24 | ioudas | nah, its not reproducable |
| 17:03.25 | ioudas | ;-) |
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| 17:03.48 | _Folken_ | Yeah i was also laughing at that. :) |
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| 17:26.49 | dope | anyone else got fglrx broken in debian stretch? |
| 17:26.54 | dope | I can't seem to fix my X:( |
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| 17:27.23 | nkuttler | dope: welcome to testing. #debian-next on oftc for support |
| 17:27.32 | dope | oke thanks |
| 17:28.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | stretch?! the next testing is called stretch?! |
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| 17:29.30 | nkuttler | it is |
| 17:29.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | that seems a bit of a stretch |
| 17:29.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | excuse the pun |
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| 17:29.51 | greycat | We survived potato. |
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| 17:30.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | potato is kinda cute |
| 17:31.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, the poor troll got ignored the 2nd time |
| 17:31.27 | NoImNotNineVolt | which version number was potato? |
| 17:31.34 | greycat | !potato |
| 17:31.34 | dpkg | Potato is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 2.2, released August 14th, 2000. It is no longer supported. Ask me about <potato->woody> for upgrade information. See also <potato sources.list>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPotato |
| 17:31.38 | NoImNotNineVolt | okay. i can count to potato. |
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| 17:32.07 | greycat | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Toy_Story_characters#Stretch |
| 17:32.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | that or woody must have been my first release |
| 17:32.17 | greycat | I don't think I've seen Toy Story 3.... |
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| 17:35.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | don't think I have either... ah, finally found it, stretch is TS3 only |
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| 17:35.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | well... looking forward to "big baby", that's all I'm saying |
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| 17:36.25 | greycat | That reminds me of a character from Spirited Away. |
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| 17:47.18 | nbl | Hello everyone :) |
| 17:47.29 | nbl | I need help like a character from game of thrones |
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| 17:47.52 | nbl | I would like to install and use a bitmap font on debian jessie but I can't |
| 17:48.46 | nbl | I moved the font in /usr/share/fonts/ directory and I made mkfontdir && mkfontscale && fc-cache -f in the font's directory |
| 17:49.07 | nbl | I can use the font with xterm but not with other applications like gedit or dzen2 for example |
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| 17:49.32 | jelly | nbl: GTK+ applications like gedit might not support working with X11 server-side bitmap fonts at all |
| 17:49.47 | nbl | I can see the font with xslfonts but not with fc-list |
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| 17:50.16 | nbl | jelly: Yeah they can because on debian wheezy all work perfectly |
| 17:50.43 | jelly | nbl: you can make all the fontconfig apps see bitmap fonts (but that often introduces more issues than it solves) |
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| 17:51.39 | nbl | jelly: how ? oh I forgot but I deleted the symbolic link 70-no-bitmap.conf |
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| 17:52.07 | jelly | nbl: dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config |
| 17:52.27 | nbl | jelly: ah like that I already made it |
| 17:52.34 | jelly | still no go? |
| 17:53.04 | nbl | jelly: yeah don't work |
| 17:53.40 | jelly | and you gave the logical answer to "Enable bitmapped fonts by default?" |
| 17:54.10 | jelly | ls -la /etc/fonts/conf.d/*bitmap* |
| 17:54.14 | jelly | !paste |
| 17:54.14 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 17:54.36 | agric0la | hi, can I distribute Debian free of cost? |
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| 17:54.44 | jelly | agric0la: yes |
| 17:55.14 | nbl | jelly: I've 70-yes-bitmaps.conf |
| 17:55.25 | nbl | but it don't work |
| 17:55.30 | agric0la | jelly, so it has no licensing issues? |
| 17:56.01 | greycat | Everything in "main" is DFSG-free and can therefore be distributed. |
| 17:56.14 | greycat | Things in "contrib" or "non-free" might not be. |
| 17:56.54 | jelly | agric0la: Debian's core values only allow freely redistributable software in. |
| 17:57.11 | jelly | greycat: things in contrib should be redistributable. |
| 17:57.42 | jelly | whether they're useful at all without other, less free components, is a different issue |
| 17:58.04 | greycat | *nod* |
| 17:58.38 | jelly | none of that matters since Debian pretends neither contrib nor non-free are part of it, to appease The Bearded One |
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| 18:00.09 | jelly | agric0la: if you care about licensing issues and what can and cannot be in debian, and what kind of limitations are imposed, read Debian's Free Software Guidelines. |
| 18:00.12 | jelly | !dfsg |
| 18:00.12 | dpkg | DFSG is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which are explained at http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines . For a full list of DFSG-compatible/incompatible software licenses, see http://wiki.debian.org/DFSGLicenses |
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| 18:01.03 | nbl | nobody can help me ? sorry for disturbing :) |
| 18:01.34 | jelly | don't have anything useful to add, sorry |
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| 18:07.32 | agric0la | jelly, thanks |
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| 18:16.36 | unborn | jelly, I do some translation of debian gui into 4 another languages and also write manuals in those languages and it is my pleasure to spread the word.. I think debian is one of the distros that its truthfully open sourced.. that means - you can spread it as much as you like in my view ( have not glue about licences laws ) |
| 18:17.52 | unborn | but I am spreading it as much as I can |
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| 18:22.27 | nbl | jelly: no problem thank you |
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| 18:43.28 | Ynnaf | hey there. I've got some problem with firefox and other text editors : sometimes the text is "blank", invisible, and turns back to normal when selected |
| 18:43.51 | Ynnaf | is that some kind of driver issue ? |
| 18:44.01 | Ynnaf | Is that *known* ? |
| 18:44.31 | mtn | Ynnaf: has it been that way since you installed debian? |
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| 18:44.44 | Ynnaf | well, this happens quite randomly |
| 18:44.51 | Ynnaf | mostly in the firefox's textbox |
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| 18:44.59 | mtn | Ynnaf: has it been that way since you installed debian? |
| 18:45.11 | Ynnaf | guess so. |
| 18:45.22 | mtn | Ynnaf: then it sounds like a video driver issue |
| 18:45.41 | Ynnaf | mtn: Maybe one fix would be a newer kernel ? |
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| 18:46.02 | greycat | Probably not. |
| 18:46.03 | mtn | Ynnaf: first thing would be to check out the debian wiki and see if you have correct drivers installed |
| 18:46.39 | Ynnaf | I think I have, there is no 36 driver for radeon. |
| 18:47.29 | Ynnaf | seem that disabling hardware acceleration could help |
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| 18:49.22 | Ynnaf | mtn: seem that someone with a similar problem just had to uncheck HWA in firefox to not getting my problem anymore. Could be it. I'll pray the driver lord. |
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| 19:05.46 | T0ast_phone | Heyo |
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| 19:08.44 | bubbaFett | wheezy -- any attempt to connect to apache2 times out -- the daemon is there, it was working a week ago, but now nothing happens. ssh, ftp, etc. are all fine. |
| 19:09.07 | greycat | does it work from localhost? say, with "telnet 127.0.0.1 80"? |
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| 19:09.40 | greycat | in any case, times out (as opposed to immediately refusing connection) indicates a firewall of some kind |
| 19:09.50 | greycat | or, possibly a DNS lookup issue |
| 19:09.59 | bubbaFett | greycat -- no, local isn't working either\ |
| 19:10.17 | greycat | what does "telnet 127.0.0.1 80" do? |
| 19:11.01 | bubbaFett | greycat -- no telnetd on this box |
| 19:11.10 | greycat | you don't need telnetd -- just telnet |
| 19:11.20 | greycat | you're telnetting to the web server port |
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| 19:11.59 | bubbaFett | greycat - it connects, issuing GET seems not to do anything. |
| 19:12.04 | bubbaFett | lynx to 127.0.0.1 didn't pull |
| 19:12.46 | greycat | so apache is there and accepting connections, at least from localhost |
| 19:12.58 | greycat | what does lynx http://127.0.0.1/ do? |
| 19:13.08 | bubbaFett | greycat - nada |
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| 19:13.25 | greycat | an error? |
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| 19:14.13 | bubbaFett | grey - timeout |
| 19:14.32 | greycat | check for errors in apache's logs (/var/log/apache2/ most likely) |
| 19:15.12 | bubbaFett | greycat - on restart, there's not really any errors other than a few attempts to grab robots.txt |
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| 19:15.32 | greycat | I mean you should check right now for errors from the lynx session that you just tried. |
| 19:15.39 | bubbaFett | grey - just did\ |
| 19:15.43 | bubbaFett | grey - nada. |
| 19:16.07 | greycat | And you didn't do anything with iptables at all? |
| 19:16.29 | bubbaFett | greycat - stock deb wheezy install with regular updates. |
| 19:16.43 | greycat | If it's not iptables or an apache misconfiguration then I don't know. |
| 19:16.56 | bubbaFett | greycat - that makes three of us now :-) |
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| 19:18.47 | preyalone | how do i script pressing Enter for the 'Kernel link failure info' message when apt-get install'ing binutils in potato? |
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| 19:21.54 | bubbaFett | greycat -- new information :-) |
| 19:22.11 | bubbaFett | greycat -- killed mysqld and now server is humming along and responding to requests. |
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| 19:29.12 | bubbaFett | so what do you make of a situation where apache2 responds to nothing -- then once mysqld is shut down, it begins working -- what could cause apache to hang completely (even on static pages) due to mysqld ? |
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| 19:31.51 | bazhang | you might ask in #httpd as well |
| 19:32.05 | bubbaFett | bazhang -- good call |
| 19:32.23 | greycat | I would assume you somehow configured apache's default page to make MySQL requests. |
| 19:32.44 | greycat | The absence of this in the logs is baffling, though. Maybe you weren't looking at the right logs. |
| 19:33.19 | bubbaFett | greycat - running elgg |
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| 19:36.57 | SKlogo | Anyone know the easiest way to access a windows share over the network on a debian box |
| 19:37.18 | SKlogo | encryption is preferred, but not needed |
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| 19:59.53 | yeehi | How is the latest version of KDE's Plasma installed on Debian? Is there a special repository? |
| 20:01.29 | preyalone | working around db_input high by patching /usr/share/debconf/confmodule https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/My8x9Gc7 |
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| 20:02.35 | awal1 | yeehi: check debian PTS if the kde 5 is in experimental repo yet.... |
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| 20:04.08 | Walex2 | yeehi: that's rather optimistic |
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| 20:06.07 | Remram | Can I setup a temporary guest account the way OSX's works? Wipes the data when you log out? |
| 20:06.16 | Remram | I'm using Jessie with KDE |
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| 20:09.16 | [sr] | hi |
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| 20:09.28 | [sr] | i know this isn't debian specific but a small help on vlan |
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| 20:09.43 | [sr] | i have module loaded, vconfig add eth0 700 |
| 20:10.13 | [sr] | configured the new eth0.777, with IP .....10 and in the other machine ......20 |
| 20:10.17 | [sr] | but they can't ping each other |
| 20:10.34 | [sr] | would it be NIC VLAN support? |
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| 20:11.57 | yeehi | awall, thank you. What is debian PTS? |
| 20:12.49 | greycat | yeehi: /msg dpkg pts |
| 20:13.15 | ttee | Hey! I want to use the package radicale in Debian 8 which depends on python. However, I want it to use python 3 instead. Is it possible to simply switch from python 2 to python 3? Is there a setting to change the "default python"? |
| 20:13.44 | preyalone | or more idiomatically, export DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive |
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| 20:14.01 | HSorgYves | may I install roundcube from stretch under jessie? is there an ETA when roundcube will be available in jessie(-backports)? |
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| 20:24.18 | DammitJim | what is a good tool to monitor network traffic |
| 20:24.38 | DammitJim | I am looking to monitor connections to my server via HTTP requests |
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| 20:26.14 | preyalone | how do i bypass pmcia-cs's prompt during debootstrap potato? |
| 20:26.22 | yeehi | Is it possible to "right click, sha256sum"? How do we do this? |
| 20:27.16 | greycat | I'm terrified to ask why on earth he's installing potato. |
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| 20:28.13 | preyalone | greycat: so that i can debootstrap slink, of course! modern debootstrap doesn't offer a slink install script. |
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| 20:29.36 | preyalone | is there a way to tell bootstrap to skip certain packages, in my case pcmcia-cs? |
| 20:29.49 | neilthereildeil | hi, im trying to run a GUI app as root, and am getting the following error: |
| 20:29.49 | neilthereildeil | Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 keyWarning: This program is an suid-root program or is being run by the root user. |
| 20:29.55 | neilthereildeil | how can i fix it? |
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| 20:30.26 | neilthereildeil | i htink it has to do with that rule not to run GUI apps as root |
| 20:30.32 | neilthereildeil | but i need to in this case |
| 20:31.31 | greycat | If the program *itself* is checking its own UID, you're not going to be able to get around it. |
| 20:31.40 | Kasperle | preyalone: according to the manual page --exclude=pcmcia-cs should do the trick |
| 20:31.44 | neilthereildeil | greycat: its actually qemu |
| 20:31.49 | neilthereildeil | i need to run QEMU as root |
| 20:31.55 | neilthereildeil | i dont think it would check it |
| 20:32.11 | neilthereildeil | greycat: how can i disable this rule? |
| 20:32.18 | greycat | are you really asking "how do I run a GUI app as root in an X session that was started as non-root"? |
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| 20:32.25 | neilthereildeil | yea |
| 20:32.35 | neilthereildeil | but its from a root terminal |
| 20:32.51 | neilthereildeil | as in i am runniong konsole and "su -" |
| 20:33.03 | greycat | My normal preference is to do export XAUTHORITY=/home/youruser/.Xauthority as root, then run the thing. But I know some people prefer ssh -X root@localhost |
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| 20:33.37 | greycat | And don't use "su -" because that nukes the DISPLAY variable. |
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| 20:35.05 | neilthereildeil | greycat: yep. that worked. |
| 20:35.05 | neilthereildeil | thanks |
| 20:35.12 | neilthereildeil | and how an i make this persistent? |
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| 20:35.19 | greycat | Don't. |
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| 20:35.42 | greycat | This should be a one-off thing. Not a regular task |
| 20:35.47 | neilthereildeil | add it to root/.bashrc |
| 20:35.49 | neilthereildeil | ? |
| 20:35.52 | neilthereildeil | this is a dev box |
| 20:35.59 | neilthereildeil | it makes debugging easier |
| 20:36.01 | greycat | What is your REAL question now? Why are you doing this on a regular basis? |
| 20:36.32 | neilthereildeil | since this is a dev box, i want the ease of debugging |
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| 20:36.47 | greycat | Debugging what? |
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| 20:37.16 | neilthereildeil | Xen hypervisor |
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| 20:38.05 | greycat | Ask #xen maybe. I don't know. |
| 20:38.22 | neilthereildeil | no im askking about how to make the GUI rule persistent |
| 20:38.30 | neilthereildeil | i know how to debug it |
| 20:38.37 | neilthereildeil | but the GUI rule is annoying |
| 20:38.44 | greycat | Ask the people in #xen who have probably done this. Or if this makes no sense, they'll be able to tell you that as well. |
| 20:38.49 | neilthereildeil | i want to make it persistnet |
| 20:39.08 | neilthereildeil | ofcourse i can comment it out when not using it |
| 20:39.12 | neilthereildeil | so it doesnt happen every time |
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| 20:39.25 | neilthereildeil | but i need to have it commented somewhere so i know what to uncomment |
| 20:40.10 | wimm | hi |
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| 20:43.12 | wimm | hi |
| 20:43.22 | preyalone | hmm. debootstrap ends with "Hangup" in interactive docker, ignores --exclude=pcmcia-cs in non-interactive docker. |
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| 20:46.18 | preyalone | i think i fixed the pcmcia-cs problem by removing the -t flag to docker run |
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| 21:00.43 | RayzrShrp | anybody know what I may have removed that is making aptitude look like crap in my terminal? the menus are not nice neat lines but instead strange looking characters |
| 21:00.53 | RayzrShrp | it looks like its missing some fonts |
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| 21:02.59 | phy1729 | local terminal or over ssh? |
| 21:03.35 | RayzrShrp | over ssh |
| 21:03.42 | RayzrShrp | putty looks fine but securecrt does not |
| 21:04.05 | RayzrShrp | the nicklist along the right hand side of weechat has a bunch of these: │ |
| 21:04.13 | RayzrShrp | instead of a nice line |
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| 21:05.45 | RayzrShrp | ah fixed it, was a font issue in securecrt |
| 21:05.50 | preyalone | Is "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian/ potato main non-free contrib" correct in /etc/apt/sources.list? I'm getting 404 for apt-get update in potato. |
| 21:05.55 | Milencho | hi guys i installed debian 7 on oracle virtual machine, then i install virtual box guest additons , because i want to copy paste from debian to windows host |
| 21:06.19 | Milencho | after that i reboot the machine, and when i started again, the GUI start but no icons no menus |
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| 21:06.37 | Milencho | any ideas ? |
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| 21:09.44 | SynrG | Milencho: "no icons, no menus" sounds like a normal gnome3 desktop |
| 21:09.51 | Milencho | yes |
| 21:09.52 | Milencho | gnome |
| 21:09.57 | SynrG | icons & menus sounds like fallback |
| 21:10.12 | Milencho | before 10 minutes all was ok |
| 21:10.25 | SynrG | it sounds like before installing guest additions you were in fallback mode and now you aren't |
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| 21:10.48 | SynrG | are you familiar with how gnome3 looks? |
| 21:11.01 | Milencho | not sure |
| 21:11.01 | SynrG | the gnome-shell desktop is quite different |
| 21:11.21 | Milencho | i don't have any icon and menu and right click |
| 21:11.22 | SynrG | if you move the mouse to the upper left corner, does a panel appear? |
| 21:11.22 | Milencho | nothing... |
| 21:11.28 | Milencho | no panel |
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| 21:12.14 | SynrG | i'm not sure if 3d accel works out of the box |
| 21:12.27 | SynrG | i don't use virtualbox this way |
| 21:12.43 | Milencho | mmm where can i see errors? |
| 21:12.48 | SynrG | but gnome-shell requires working hardware-accelerated gl |
| 21:12.50 | yangm | hello, how do I install kodi (former xbmc) on debian jessie and have it to start on boot without a WM? |
| 21:13.19 | SynrG | well, /var/log/Xorg.0.log for one |
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| 21:14.02 | RayzrShrp | so does mysql now log to the journal? |
| 21:14.07 | SynrG | yangm: i thought kodi was still in preparation |
| 21:14.32 | SynrG | i.e. no debian package available yet |
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| 21:15.02 | SynrG | see #767180 |
| 21:15.03 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/767180 in wnpp (open): «ITP: kodi -- Kodi Open Source Home Theatre»; severity: wishlist; opened: 2014-10-28; last modified: 2014-10-28. |
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| 21:15.14 | yangm | SynrG, I had a very old install on debian wheezie |
| 21:15.19 | Milencho | SynrG i have to search what? |
| 21:15.33 | yangm | but then it lost support |
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| 21:15.53 | philipp64|work | Hi. Got a question about Gnome desktop in Debian 7.8 (yeah, I know... we'll be updating to 8.0 soon)... |
| 21:15.54 | teraflop | yangm: you cant, I think there is 3rd party repos but those pulls from ffmpeg so .... ^ |
| 21:16.00 | SynrG | yangm: of kodi? how can that be? it's recent ... |
| 21:16.16 | Milencho | there is two files Xorg.0.log and Xorg.0.log.old |
| 21:16.18 | yangm | SynrG, of xbmc |
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| 21:16.23 | teraflop | yangm: hang on xbmc 13 it's ok |
| 21:16.30 | SynrG | see also https://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html ... kodi's in there for over a month |
| 21:16.31 | SynrG | ah |
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| 21:16.58 | SynrG | in jessie there is only xbmc, so asking about kodi was confusing |
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| 21:17.16 | philipp64|work | my display size seems to match my display resolution, but when my mouse hits the bottom 1/8 of the display, the bottom taskbar scrolls up like I'm doing viewporting... the display maps (I thought!) 1:1 to the view size... so what's going on? how to disable this? |
| 21:17.28 | yangm | teraflop, I think I got it installed but when I try to run it compains about missing opengl driver |
| 21:17.53 | yangm | it's an intel so it should be native? |
| 21:18.01 | teraflop | yangm: from where? i mean what repo? |
| 21:18.46 | yangm | teraflop, got this one deb https://people.debian.org/~rbalint/ppa/xbmc-ffmpeg xbmc-ffmpeg-unstable/ |
| 21:18.51 | teraflop | yangm: do you have hw accel on that system with the intel gpu? |
| 21:18.52 | SynrG | yangm: you still need libgl1-mesa-glx and libgl1-mesa-dri to make GL work with intel |
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| 21:19.13 | Joshua133 | hi it doesnt appear to be a wine error anyone---that was just a typo does this error mean anything Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "adwaita" |
| 21:19.16 | teraflop | yangm: oh boy I see ppa & ffmepg in that url ... |
| 21:19.19 | Joshua133 | jessie testing |
| 21:19.38 | teraflop | yangm: good luck with that |
| 21:19.51 | yangm | SynrG, ok |
| 21:20.03 | SynrG | teraflop: your caution is appropriate. however, these are packages made by the debian official maintainer of xbmc/kodi himself |
| 21:20.11 | SynrG | teraflop: so it is probably the version waiting in NEW queue |
| 21:20.20 | SynrG | so maybe not as bad as all that |
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| 21:20.37 | SynrG | and probably the only reason it's stuck in NEW is there's a huge backlog since the freeze |
| 21:20.45 | yangm | teraflop, it installed 14.2. whoa |
| 21:21.05 | SynrG | yangm: of course those packages are absolutely without official support yet |
| 21:21.15 | SynrG | you might just want to wait until it gets accepted from NEW |
| 21:21.46 | teraflop | SynrG: this packages used to work in jessie prior they decided to switch to libav in the official release |
| 21:22.01 | SynrG | yeah |
| 21:22.07 | yangm | SynrG, so what should I do? |
| 21:22.17 | SynrG | use the official xbmc packages in jessie |
| 21:22.21 | teraflop | heh |
| 21:22.30 | SynrG | i use it. it's fine |
| 21:22.50 | yangm | those packaes were already installed but still got opengl error |
| 21:23.03 | SynrG | see my earlier statement |
| 21:23.19 | SynrG | <SynrG> yangm: you still need libgl1-mesa-glx and libgl1-mesa-dri to make GL work with intel |
| 21:23.44 | yangm | yep, those were installed already |
| 21:23.49 | preyalone | ah, i need to use "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/debian potato main" per http://archive.debian.net/potato/i386/ldso/download |
| 21:24.01 | SynrG | yangm: can you confirm gl works ok otherwise? |
| 21:24.24 | SynrG | glxinfo | grep direct |
| 21:24.32 | SynrG | you need direct rendering |
| 21:25.25 | yangm | error: unable to open display |
| 21:25.28 | SynrG | Milencho: /var/log/Xorg.0.log is for the current session and the .old for the previous one |
| 21:25.28 | teraflop | yangm: it fails on xmbc or you don't have hw accel at all? |
| 21:25.39 | SynrG | Milencho: keep it here in channel, please, not PM |
| 21:25.39 | yangm | I think I should reboot |
| 21:25.45 | teraflop | good fix |
| 21:26.18 | yangm | teraflop, I have a 2nd gen i5 and no dedicated GPU |
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| 21:26.32 | SynrG | yangm: that command needs to be in an X session |
| 21:26.45 | yangm | ok |
| 21:26.48 | SynrG | yangm: as your user, not su'd or anything |
| 21:26.59 | SynrG | sounds like you weren't there |
| 21:27.20 | teraflop | yangm: the intel gpu of that i5s is fine enough for running xbmc and see 1080p stuff |
| 21:28.04 | yangm | teraflop, I'm also running a minecraft server on this box |
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| 21:28.14 | Milencho | SynrG in the current session no errors |
| 21:28.29 | Milencho | in the old unload module evdev |
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| 21:29.24 | yangm | I like to reuse, the thing had a dead display and no hd, now it's running debian from an 8GB pendrive |
| 21:29.32 | SynrG | Milencho: as for errors in gnome, since i no longer run gnome myself, i'm less familiar there |
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| 21:30.28 | SynrG | also, i don't really have a clear idea of what you *do* see when you login. are you just seeing the default desktop background and nothing else? |
| 21:30.51 | Milencho | yes the background and nothing else |
| 21:30.57 | Milencho | no panel in the top left corner |
| 21:31.05 | Milencho | just a background screen |
| 21:31.25 | SynrG | Milencho: have you customized your desktop at all? used gnome-tweak-tool, installed custom extensions or themes? |
| 21:32.05 | Milencho | nothing but before 1 hour i had a panel in the top left corner with Applications .. |
| 21:32.20 | SynrG | yeah. sounds like fallback |
| 21:32.26 | yangm | http://i.imgur.com/1Yg3LdG.jpg |
| 21:32.47 | SynrG | sounds like after installing vbox extensions it *tries* to run gnome-shell (i.e. detects dri) but fails somehow |
| 21:32.50 | Milencho | i tried with another user start gnome |
| 21:32.51 | Milencho | same shit |
| 21:33.14 | Milencho | shit.. with another user, all is OK |
| 21:33.16 | SynrG | i really don't know what to suggest. i suppose i have a jessie live image here and could try it in virtualbox |
| 21:33.25 | Milencho | but with my primary user not ok |
| 21:33.27 | SynrG | ohhh |
| 21:33.35 | SynrG | so it really is something broken in your user's session |
| 21:33.38 | teraflop | yangm: you need hw accel for a minecraft server? |
| 21:34.03 | Milencho | SynrG may be i'll try to delete my user and add it again |
| 21:34.06 | Milencho | or .. i dont know |
| 21:34.42 | yangm | teraflop, kodi |
| 21:34.57 | yangm | minecraft server ran just fine |
| 21:35.40 | teraflop | yangm: are you aware that you need xorg? |
| 21:35.43 | SynrG | yangm: no, startx ; glxinfo is never gonna work |
| 21:35.48 | teraflop | heh |
| 21:36.00 | SynrG | yangm: that says "startx" and when it *exits*, run glxinfo |
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| 21:36.29 | SynrG | yangm: you need an xterm inside your X session and run glxinfo in that |
| 21:36.43 | yangm | oh |
| 21:37.10 | SynrG | read the startx man page. you ought to be able to figure out how to run Xorg with nothing but an xterm in it, if that's what you're going for |
| 21:37.11 | yangm | like startx; xterm? |
| 21:37.21 | yangm | ok |
| 21:37.26 | SynrG | again, that says "startx", then "after it exits, xterm" |
| 21:37.30 | SynrG | useless |
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| 21:37.59 | SynrG | read the man page and come back with intelligent questions if you still don't have it :) |
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| 21:38.16 | teraflop | yangm: if you do startx youll need a .xinitrc or to tell update alternatives the default DE/WM |
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| 21:38.47 | teraflop | yangm: or install a session manager e.g gdm3, lightdm etc etc |
| 21:39.27 | SynrG | gdm3 even has a commented out configuration for starting xbmc in it, iirc |
| 21:39.37 | SynrG | could make things easier for you |
| 21:39.47 | teraflop | SynrG: indeed |
| 21:40.08 | SynrG | unless you're super starved for RAM, probably don't need to go really minimal |
| 21:40.10 | teraflop | in standalone mode |
| 21:40.18 | yangm | got a flickering screen |
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| 21:40.36 | SynrG | well, Xorg is pretty ugly with the default crosshatch background |
| 21:40.40 | SynrG | makes my eyes go nuts |
| 21:40.49 | yangm | thank god I'm not photosensitive |
| 21:41.03 | yangm | or sometin like that |
| 21:41.04 | SynrG | anyway, can you run glxinfo | grep direct |
| 21:41.28 | yangm | I can't type a thing |
| 21:41.40 | SynrG | oh. haven't gotten as far as startx starting xterm yet? |
| 21:41.43 | yangm | but it stopped flickering |
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| 21:41.56 | yangm | started xterm |
| 21:42.05 | SynrG | you need to move the mouse into it to focus |
| 21:42.10 | SynrG | otherwise you can't type |
| 21:42.11 | asterismo | hi people, how are you today_ |
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| 21:42.26 | SynrG | without the benefit of a WM, there's no auto focus on the terminal |
| 21:42.27 | yangm | ouch, what a dumbass (me) |
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| 21:42.47 | SynrG | well, it's slightly non-obvious :) |
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| 21:45.01 | yangm | SynrG, https://www.dropbox.com/s/djyupdx8iqol0cr/2015-05-19%2018.43.49.jpg?dl=0 |
| 21:47.18 | SynrG | yangm: er, what? i'm confused. what am i looking at here? |
| 21:47.48 | yangm | glxinfo | grep direct output I think |
| 21:48.08 | yangm | also, running kodi from xterm works o.O |
| 21:48.09 | hassoon | SynrG: good luck sir |
| 21:48.51 | SynrG | yangm: umm. it looks like a failed startx *followed* by glxinfo, but that makes no sense to me |
| 21:49.12 | SynrG | are you trying to do startx when you're already in X? or what? |
| 21:49.47 | Milencho | SynrG problem solved |
| 21:49.57 | yangm | nope, I just did a ctrl+c to try stop the flicker |
| 21:50.07 | Milencho | delete user and adduser again, reboot start again gnome and all is ok |
| 21:50.26 | yangm | the real question is why kodi runs from xterm but not from a real shell |
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| 21:50.28 | SynrG | Milencho: fun. i don't even want to guess what was wrong there :) |
| 21:50.33 | SynrG | Milencho: glad you got it sorted, though |
| 21:50.35 | Milencho | nobody |
| 21:50.40 | Milencho | X Files |
| 21:50.47 | SynrG | heh |
| 21:51.00 | Milencho | i'll sleep happy;] |
| 21:51.00 | preyalone | help, DEBIAN_FRONTEND is set to noninteractive, but postgres 1.6 on potato insists on prompting for input anyway |
| 21:51.09 | SynrG | yangm: you can't run kodi from console |
| 21:51.10 | Milencho | good night, and thanks for the help |
| 21:51.18 | SynrG | yangm: that will *definitely* complain about all sorts |
| 21:51.32 | yangm | it's slow as hell though |
| 21:51.39 | SynrG | yangm: as advised earlier, you need to run it from .xinitrc or from lightdm, gdm3 or so |
| 21:51.51 | yangm | ok |
| 21:52.02 | teraflop | yangm: it seems like you like it minimal mate, but I suggest a DE/WM ... |
| 21:52.06 | SynrG | well, the "failed to open drm device" doesn't look good |
| 21:52.19 | SynrG | i'm not sure why that's screwing up |
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| 21:54.44 | SynrG | yangm: do you have libdrm2 and libdrm-intel1? |
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| 21:55.44 | SynrG | yangm: you're sure it's intel, too, hm? intel isn't the only one to make integrated GPUs |
| 21:56.01 | SynrG | lspci -nn | grep -i vga |
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| 21:56.11 | SynrG | yangm: by the way, you could install nopaste: |
| 21:56.13 | SynrG | !nopaste |
| 21:56.13 | dpkg | nopaste is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install libapp-nopaste-perl; nopaste /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | nopaste". |
| 21:56.23 | SynrG | easier to read than screenshots |
| 21:56.29 | g00se | I started a vncserver via ssh. I then VNCed into that host and started a massive file upload via a gui. Can you confirm that when i end my ssh session, the upload will continue? |
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| 21:56.58 | yangm | interesting |
| 21:57.03 | roberth1990 | is there any application that just checks for updates and installs them? |
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| 21:58.14 | at0m | apt-get update; apt-get upgrade ? |
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| 21:58.58 | roberth1990 | at0m: graphical |
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| 21:59.44 | SynrG | ,v gnome-software |
| 21:59.45 | judd | Package: gnome-software on amd64 -- sid: 3.14.2-1; stretch: 3.14.2-1 |
| 21:59.50 | SynrG | hmm |
| 22:00.26 | netstar | ,v plasma-desktop |
| 22:00.27 | judd | Package: plasma-desktop on amd64 -- squeeze: 4:4.4.5-7+squeeze1; wheezy: 4:4.8.4-6; stretch: 4:4.11.13-2; jessie: 4:4.11.13-2; sid: 4:4.11.13-2 |
| 22:00.41 | meLon | Well, I did `apt-get install rsyslog` and now my system is broken. Looks like it updated to use systemd. I'm getting errors such as "This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package sysvinit:amd64 due to Conflicte/Pre-Depends loop. Pretty frustrating. Any suggestions? |
| 22:00.47 | netstar | ,v gnome |
| 22:00.48 | judd | Package: gnome on amd64 -- squeeze: 1:2.30+7; wheezy: 1:3.4+7+deb7u1; jessie: 1:3.14+3; sid: 1:3.14+3; stretch: 1:3.14+3 |
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| 22:01.21 | SynrG | roberth1990: i can no longer keep track of all the various incarnations in gnome of doing this sort of thing |
| 22:01.38 | SynrG | might've had a different name before |
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| 22:02.03 | SynrG | meLon: yes, don't partially upgrade your system between releases |
| 22:02.12 | netstar | syanptic |
| 22:02.35 | roberth1990 | im looking for one that only does the updating |
| 22:02.36 | netstar | synaptic is debian installer for X no? |
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| 22:02.55 | roberth1990 | SynrG: wat? |
| 22:02.56 | netstar | I use Gnome, it does it automagically |
| 22:03.13 | SynrG | right. there is some sort of automatic software updater in gnome ... |
| 22:03.20 | meLon | SynrG: I'm not here for someone to belittle me or cause grief. If you don't have something constructive to say, please refrain from speaking at all. I didn't do a 'partial upgrade'. I installed a package as I normally do and I am experiencing weird results... |
| 22:03.24 | SynrG | i used to know what it was called. i now no longer remember. i don't use gnome |
| 22:03.26 | roberth1990 | yeah and I want that for kde |
| 22:03.31 | SynrG | meLon: what? no ... |
| 22:03.39 | SynrG | i made a guess. i wasn't belittling |
| 22:03.45 | SynrG | so my guess is wrong? |
| 22:03.54 | SynrG | rsyslog + systemd is fine. it's exactly what i run |
| 22:04.05 | SynrG | the mess you're in *sounded* like a partial upgrade. |
| 22:04.30 | SynrG | meLon: what we need is this: |
| 22:04.31 | SynrG | !bat |
| 22:04.32 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 22:04.43 | SynrG | meLon: that would shed some light on it |
| 22:04.50 | SynrG | meLon: and please, please assume good intentions |
| 22:05.03 | SynrG | you seem to have read way too far into my response |
| 22:05.06 | SynrG | i never meant offense |
| 22:05.33 | meLon | <3 SynrG Thanks for explaining. When you didn't ASK, and you SAID I did something, I felt you were being mean and not constructive. I understand. Let me get some additional information. |
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| 22:06.08 | yangm | SynrG, http://paste.debian.net/180605/ |
| 22:06.15 | SynrG | meLon: it's very common right after release time for people to have insufficiently checked their sources.list, not realize the new stable release came out, then do a package install *thinking* they're only installing a package ... |
| 22:06.23 | SynrG | meLon: but actually it ends up causing a partial upgrade |
| 22:06.27 | yangm | also already installed |
| 22:06.45 | SynrG | meLon: but now i'll look at your paste. just a sec |
| 22:06.58 | SynrG | oops, that's not yours yet |
| 22:07.01 | SynrG | waiting. |
| 22:07.16 | meLon | Ahh, SynrG Then you might be accurate. I did ask for rsyslog and by the time I noticed it was doing WAY MORE, it was too late. I DID, however, let it finish before rebooting lol. |
| 22:07.24 | yangm | and I can't find this host using the android controller app or access it's webpage |
| 22:07.37 | yangm | already tried running as sudo |
| 22:07.41 | SynrG | meLon: ok, so finish the upgrade. i think you've just been partially switched to jessie |
| 22:07.55 | meLon | `apt-get dist-upgrade`, SynrG ? |
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| 22:08.04 | SynrG | dpkg: wheezy->jessie |
| 22:08.05 | dpkg | Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> http://deb.li/ldcj . In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "wheezy" to "jessie". apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. 3rd party repos like <dmo> are known to cause problems with the upgrade. See also <jessie sysvinit>. |
| 22:08.16 | SynrG | meLon: check your sources.list first. make sure everything's in order |
| 22:08.21 | meLon | rgr |
| 22:09.15 | SynrG | yangm: humm. still mulling it over. |
| 22:09.42 | SynrG | yangm: meanwhile, lspci -nn | grep vga |
| 22:09.49 | SynrG | asked for that and never saw it |
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| 22:11.04 | yangm | -bash: lspci: command not found |
| 22:11.23 | yangm | but I'm sure it's an intel HD3000 |
| 22:11.32 | SynrG | ,file lspci |
| 22:11.36 | judd | Search for lspci in jessie/amd64: pciutils: usr/bin/lspci; debian-installer: usr/share/doc/debian-installer/devel/hardware/arm/glantank/info/lspci, usr/share/doc/debian-installer/devel/hardware/arm/kurobox-pro/info/lspci, usr/share/doc/debian-installer/devel/hardware/arm/n2100/info/lspci |
| 22:11.48 | yangm | the cpu is an 2410m |
| 22:11.59 | SynrG | install pciutils |
| 22:12.02 | SynrG | humor me :) |
| 22:12.28 | meLon | SynrG: I'm pretty sure pciutils package has lspci, yeah :D |
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| 22:13.21 | yangm | kodi is running at 30fps? wut |
| 22:13.33 | meLon | I've never asked apt to install a package and it do something such as this, SynrG. Is it because some of my apt sources said stable/main instead of wheezy/main? |
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| 22:14.22 | yangm | https://www.dropbox.com/s/bpza49uvhye2v5m/2015-05-19%2019.13.40.jpg?dl=0 |
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| 22:15.40 | SynrG | meLon: exactly that, yes. |
| 22:15.49 | SynrG | meLon: if you don't want a nasty surprise, always use codenames |
| 22:15.58 | meLon | Sweet. Learned how to prevent the issue, now just to get through what I borked :P |
| 22:16.14 | SynrG | yeah. the only way forward is a complete jessie upgrade |
| 22:16.20 | yangm | "lspci -nn | grep vga" returned nothing |
| 22:16.33 | SynrG | yangm: i meant to say grep -i vga |
| 22:16.35 | SynrG | sorry |
| 22:17.10 | yangm | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:0116] (rev 09) |
| 22:17.30 | SynrG | that may be too poor for kodi ... |
| 22:17.42 | yangm | did you see my photo of hardware info on kodi? |
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| 22:18.16 | SynrG | on my xbmc box i use a decent card. actually, a bit of overkill, but it's a multipurpose box: |
| 22:18.18 | SynrG | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation G92 [GeForce 9800 GT] [10de:0614] (rev a2) |
| 22:18.27 | SynrG | not dedicated |
| 22:18.39 | yangm | how come an i5 is too poor while a raspberry pi is good enough? |
| 22:19.25 | meLon | rpi has hardware for mpeg/h264, eh? |
| 22:19.41 | SynrG | it's not the processor |
| 22:19.51 | SynrG | it may be the gfx chipset, as i said |
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| 22:20.56 | yangm | HD3000 runs GTA IV on mid |
| 22:21.02 | yangm | on my machine |
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| 22:21.23 | yangm | is kodi that heavy? |
| 22:21.47 | meLon | Do you have a pastie or anything explaining your setup and what you're trying to accomplish, yangm ? |
| 22:21.54 | teraflop | yangm: why do you say poor? |
| 22:21.54 | SynrG | honestly, i have no info on that. i'm just saying which GPU i have and that it runs fine on that |
| 22:22.18 | teraflop | 1080p30fps opengl, i do not get your point |
| 22:22.25 | SynrG | there's enough about the error output you've pasted so far that i'm baffled as to how you're getting these results |
| 22:23.01 | SynrG | but then, it was incomplete (i didn't see the command typed that caused the mess) |
| 22:23.05 | yangm | I'm going to add it to startup and see how it goes |
| 22:23.08 | banjo | does anybody know a program that collate files and outputs only equal snippets? a reverse diff |
| 22:23.14 | teraflop | yangm: you seem to me a bit confused |
| 22:23.39 | yangm | but I do believe the poor performance is caused because of no hw acceleration |
| 22:23.50 | teraflop | yangm: what poor performance? |
| 22:23.53 | yangm | since fan went crazy |
| 22:24.30 | teraflop | yangm: install libva and tell kodi to do hw accel vaapi |
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| 22:25.04 | SynrG | oh yeah. i totally forgot about vaapi |
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| 22:26.04 | Fiequae1 | hi, how do i make Ctrl+Alt+q the key combo for the @ sign? i need this for compatibility with windows users. |
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| 22:26.19 | meLon | Hey SynrG. Thanks again for your help with fixing the issue and preventing it in the future. |
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| 22:26.49 | meLon | It's my router, so I have to reboot and brb :P |
| 22:26.56 | yangm | from what package is libva / vaapi |
| 22:27.29 | teraflop | yangm: apt-cache search ... |
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| 22:28.50 | yangm | installing libva-dev |
| 22:28.58 | SynrG | i965-va-driver |
| 22:29.02 | SynrG | not libva-dev |
| 22:29.22 | SynrG | the -dev packages are only for building stuff from source |
| 22:29.27 | SynrG | headers and such |
| 22:29.36 | yangm | oh |
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| 22:30.26 | yangm | do I need to reboot after installing? |
| 22:31.21 | SynrG | probably just restart X |
| 22:31.32 | SynrG | maybe not even that |
| 22:32.02 | g00se | I started a vncserver via ssh. I then VNCed into that host and started a massive file upload via a gui. Can you confirm that when i end my ssh session, the upload will continue? |
| 22:32.23 | yangm | not restarting x got me the same permission error |
| 22:32.40 | SynrG | g00se: vncserver normally forks to the background, so it's ok |
| 22:33.51 | g00se | Actually i'm not sure it did. I _put_ it in the bg but i didn't use nohup anywhere |
| 22:34.44 | kurahaupo | SynrG: backgrounding is not sufficient; does it also close stdin, stdout & stderr? |
| 22:35.34 | kurahaupo | and setsid() to detach from the controlling terminal would help too |
| 22:35.38 | SynrG | kurahaupo: what i mean is, vncserver is *designed* to do all that |
| 22:35.52 | SynrG | it's a perl launcher that puts Xvnc4 (or whatever) into the background |
| 22:35.58 | SynrG | (depending on which VNC server implementation) |
| 22:36.24 | SynrG | so normally all streams are redirected appropriately. logs go to ~/.vnc/ and so forth |
| 22:36.27 | g00se | x11vnc |
| 22:36.44 | SynrG | i didn't mean "the fact that it goes to the background is sufficient to tell you it's OK" |
| 22:37.00 | SynrG | g00se: x11vnc is different. |
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| 22:37.38 | SynrG | you're not running the file transfer within x11vnc. you're running it on the X11 session that x11vnc was sharing to you |
| 22:38.17 | SynrG | g00se: so whether or not x11vnc continues after you break your ssh connection is irrelevant |
| 22:38.22 | g00se | I suppose if i look at the process tree it might help |
| 22:38.44 | g00se | The upload is going via iceweasel |
| 22:38.57 | SynrG | yes. but the iceweasel isn't running "inside a vnc session" |
| 22:39.02 | SynrG | it's running on the desktop on your console |
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| 22:39.34 | SynrG | x11vnc just happens to share that session to you via vnc. |
| 22:40.01 | SynrG | you could kill x11vnc and the X session would still be running, with iceweasel in it, happily continuing to do the file xfer |
| 22:41.11 | g00se | Yes, as i didn't start iceweasel. The remote guy did |
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| 22:41.45 | g00se | So i guess that's it. Phew! |
| 22:42.01 | SynrG | so don't worry about it. but in future, as kurahaupo hinted, you want to: x11vnc > x11vnc.log 2>&1 or so |
| 22:42.11 | SynrG | and some other switches ... |
| 22:42.14 | SynrG | if you wanted to keep it running |
| 22:42.18 | g00se | (c 15 hour upload of video to youtube) |
| 22:42.25 | SynrG | -forever |
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| 22:42.59 | SynrG | mine looks like: x11vnc -xkb -capslock -skip_keycodes 187,188 -forever -rfbport 5902 -rfbauth ~/.vnc/passwd -display :0 >x11vnc.log 2>&1 & |
| 22:43.05 | g00se | And nohup unnecessary? |
| 22:44.48 | SynrG | hmm. i've never bothered. but maybe cleaner/more convenient |
| 22:45.01 | SynrG | you'll notice my neglect of stdin above |
| 22:45.05 | g00se | I must say i've been gravitating towards (cough) Teamviewer, but i found it wouldn't install on Jessie |
| 22:45.13 | SynrG | ugggh |
| 22:45.40 | SynrG | nohup takes care of stdin too |
| 22:46.01 | g00se | Only way i've found to overcome horrible nat/fowarding issues |
| 22:47.58 | SynrG | Fiequae1: hmm. at what level do you want to tackle that? i mean, it could be as simple as a custom key mapping for a WM or DE ... |
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| 22:48.53 | SynrG | or to attack it at the X layer: |
| 22:48.54 | SynrG | !keymap |
| 22:48.55 | dpkg | Run "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" to change both your default console and X keymap; the setxkbmap utility can be used to adjust keymap settings during X operation. For setting up X keymaps, see xkeycaps, xev and ask me about <multimedia keys>. |
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| 22:49.34 | teraflop | g00se: it's a hackish wine thing but it works pretty well |
| 22:50.40 | SynrG | yangm: so i assume you *are* restarting X ... and ... ? |
| 22:51.20 | yangm | SynrG, I am setting kodi to autostart |
| 22:51.52 | SynrG | k. anticipating your success :) |
| 22:52.01 | yangm | I can't remote control it and it won't make any sound too (won't recognize my audio drivers) |
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| 22:52.53 | SynrG | start simple, with test of sound from cmdline if possible. then try it in kodi next |
| 22:52.53 | yangm | not even manually setting it will work on remote app |
| 22:53.04 | SynrG | manually setting "it" <- what? |
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| 22:53.32 | teraflop | yangm: i suggest (again) installing a sane session manager and a sound server like pulse |
| 22:54.00 | yangm | SynrG, the remote app |
| 22:54.13 | Fiequae1 | SynrG preferrably gnome or tty |
| 22:54.15 | yangm | teraflop, like gdm? |
| 22:54.23 | teraflop | yangm: for the remote you need to activate the http thing |
| 22:54.25 | SynrG | jumping the gun? what are you using, the android official xbmc app or so? |
| 22:54.26 | teraflop | yangm: yes |
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| 22:55.05 | teraflop | yangm: you can start kodi from there (almost you can do with the one from the repos) |
| 22:55.32 | SynrG | sounds like you're tackling a lot of issues at once. i'd do one at a time :) |
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| 22:56.35 | yangm | SynrG, tried official and yatse |
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| 22:56.44 | teraflop | yangm: activate the webserver and remote options in kodi and setup the the network properly |
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| 22:56.47 | SynrG | i've been meaning to try yatse |
| 22:57.12 | yangm | teraflop, that's the problem, it's already enabled |
| 22:57.19 | SynrG | there are things about the xbmc remote app i don't like. mostly now just use a wireless kbd and mouse |
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| 22:57.34 | teraflop | yangm: booth the phone and kodi has to be in the same lan |
| 22:57.42 | g00se | teraflop: yes, i'm always amazed it doesn't fall over |
| 22:58.06 | teraflop | g00se: blame nat, so much nat lover ... not me |
| 22:58.09 | g00se | You haven't managed to get a server running on Jessie have you? |
| 22:58.18 | teraflop | g00se: not in jessie |
| 22:58.41 | teraflop | I do archlinux on y work laptop g00se |
| 22:58.53 | g00se | Ah |
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| 23:00.08 | yangm | teraflop, they are |
| 23:00.39 | teraflop | g00se: I do extesively i just put my phone in AP mode and go ahead, it works even under captive portals |
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| 23:01.33 | teraflop | yangm: then setup the ip address user and passwd by hand |
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| 23:01.54 | teraflop | yangm: i mean in yatse or whatever client youre using |
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| 23:02.10 | yangm | teraflop, that's what I tried |
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| 23:02.50 | teraflop | yangm: then poen the webbrowser and point it to the ip adress and port of the kodi machine |
| 23:02.56 | teraflop | open* |
| 23:03.23 | yangm | loads loads loads and then nothing |
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| 23:03.34 | teraflop | yangm: if it doesnt work there are something messed in the kodi machine |
| 23:04.04 | yangm | yeah |
| 23:04.16 | yangm | really thinking about a jessie clean install |
| 23:04.24 | teraflop | yangm: nah |
| 23:04.43 | SynrG | though i would suggest using the official xbmc packages, not some random kodi packages from the developer's site |
| 23:04.47 | neoncortex | well, so .. systemd have nothing to do with rc.* directories, they work with /lib/systemd/system .. ? |
| 23:04.59 | SynrG | you really have no idea what state those are in |
| 23:05.09 | SynrG | could be broken all to hell |
| 23:05.09 | teraflop | SynrG: i did too! |
| 23:05.26 | teraflop | suggested* |
| 23:05.28 | SynrG | teraflop: oh. did you use the unofficial kodi pkgs? |
| 23:05.30 | SynrG | ahh |
| 23:05.33 | teraflop | nope |
| 23:05.35 | SynrG | yes, you suggested it too :) |
| 23:05.37 | yangm | I was using "mineOS" which is based on turnkey which is based on debian wheezy |
| 23:05.40 | SynrG | understood |
| 23:05.59 | SynrG | yangm: "was"? oh, i don't like the sound of this ... |
| 23:06.00 | yangm | that per se may be the cause of a lot of the problems |
| 23:06.01 | SynrG | did you crossgrade? |
| 23:06.05 | teraflop | xD |
| 23:06.06 | yangm | *am |
| 23:06.06 | SynrG | arrrrghghghgnnnnn |
| 23:06.13 | teraflop | yangm: oh boy |
| 23:06.16 | SynrG | DON'T DO THAT |
| 23:06.19 | yangm | then I did a system update |
| 23:06.24 | yangm | to jessie |
| 23:06.27 | yangm | well |
| 23:06.29 | SynrG | and TELL US if you've done something foolish like that before we waste time on you |
| 23:06.31 | cantoma | hey guys, I am getting segmentation faults in /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri/i915_dri.so (shown in dmesg) while trying to open a game. Before I have been able to play the game for more than 7 hours and then suddenly it crashed. Is it a module that I can reload? |
| 23:06.50 | teraflop | yangm: people here try to help but that kind of things ... |
| 23:07.22 | yangm | my bad |
| 23:07.39 | yangm | minecraft server is running buttery smooth still |
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| 23:10.11 | SynrG | !frankendebian |
| 23:10.11 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
| 23:11.20 | SynrG | yangm: so yes, clean jessie install + xorg + xbmc (not kodi) should be fine. |
| 23:11.45 | SynrG | yangm: and kodi should not take too long to eventually reach sid, then testing, where it will possibly be backported to jessie |
| 23:12.04 | SynrG | when it does, you can have a fully supported, minimal jessie + xbmc box |
| 23:12.11 | SynrG | er, + kodi, i mean |
| 23:12.41 | yangm | "+ xbmc (not kodi)" but will it be able to run plugins and things? |
| 23:12.50 | teraflop | yangm: yes |
| 23:13.01 | teraflop | yangm: exactly the same |
| 23:13.03 | SynrG | cantoma: that's strange. i've never seen that before |
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| 23:13.15 | cantoma | SynrG, me neither |
| 23:13.25 | SynrG | yangm: the ones that are compatible with Gotham, yes |
| 23:13.59 | cantoma | SynrG, I have tried this: modprobe i915 but it doesn't seem to be the problem |
| 23:14.06 | SynrG | obviously anything requiring helix or higher, not |
| 23:14.08 | cantoma | i am just trying to avoid to reboot the machine |
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| 23:15.59 | SynrG | yangm: so, for example, i don't know of an iptv that runs on less than helix |
| 23:16.39 | SynrG | cantoma: i don't think you need to reboot. just restart X |
| 23:16.51 | yangm | meh. |
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| 23:18.16 | cantoma | SynrG, true but i was also trying to avoid that |
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| 23:19.23 | SynrG | cantoma: you wouldn't be able to reload the i915 kernel module anyway. it's in use |
| 23:19.37 | SynrG | and i915_dri.so isn't part of the kernel ... |
| 23:19.46 | SynrG | that's libgl1-mesa-dri |
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| 23:20.00 | SynrG | that's loaded when the xserver starts. |
| 23:20.15 | cantoma | SynrG, so if it crashes then there is no workaround |
| 23:20.15 | SynrG | pretty sure you can't reload that without restarting the xserver. |
| 23:20.33 | TSMI | I have nano installed, according to apt-get. But typing "nano" at the command prompt informs me there is no "/usr/bin/nano". Short of compiling it myself is there anything I should check out? |
| 23:21.20 | SynrG | it shouldn't be seg faulting though. maybe look over the bugs on it at http://bugs.debian.org/libgl1-mesa-dri |
| 23:21.24 | SynrG | cantoma: see if your issue resembles any of those |
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| 23:22.37 | TSMI | Weird, its in /bin. Guess I could just do a symlink :/ |
| 23:23.18 | SynrG | why? |
| 23:23.26 | cantoma | SynrG, i could catch it in gdb, it says: Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. and then 0x00007fffe77044a5 in ?? () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dri/i915_dri.so |
| 23:23.57 | SynrG | TSMI: seems like you're going about it the wrong way |
| 23:24.09 | SynrG | your shell has cached an old location in /usr/bin |
| 23:24.15 | SynrG | just exit the shell and start a new one |
| 23:24.31 | SynrG | this could happen for *anything* that it caches the path to |
| 23:24.37 | TSMI | Hmmm. That sounds much cleaner than symlinks |
| 23:24.42 | SynrG | symlinking it is treating symptoms |
| 23:24.49 | SynrG | and you end up with a mess |
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| 23:25.19 | teraflop | symlinking is ugly |
| 23:25.39 | SynrG | (most often happens with me that i did a local build in /usr/local, then removed it and installed the debian pkg instead) |
| 23:25.45 | TSMI | Yeah, I didnt want to. Works now, exited the shell, thanks for the tip |
| 23:25.52 | SynrG | np |
| 23:26.04 | cantoma | SynrG, time to restart X then, happens once every 2 months .. loool |
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| 23:32.28 | cantoma | SynrG, works fine now |
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| 23:33.12 | SynrG | cantoma: yep. well, check out those bugs |
| 23:33.29 | cantoma | SynrG, yes it must be there |
| 23:33.40 | cantoma | the thing is there are many |
| 23:33.42 | SynrG | cantoma: i just didn't have the patience to sort through them all |
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| 23:33.57 | cantoma | SynrG, i tried to find it by the title |
| 23:34.07 | cantoma | but nothing that said segfaul and i915 |
| 23:34.13 | cantoma | was showing u |
| 23:34.16 | cantoma | up* |
| 23:35.52 | SynrG | i wouldn't necessarily expect i915 in the title |
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| 23:36.07 | SynrG | titles are made up by users arbitrarily, depending on what *they* thought was important to put there ... |
| 23:36.16 | SynrG | doesn't necessarily always include useful keywords |
| 23:36.50 | SynrG | nothing short of exhaustively searching the "plausibly related" bugs is thorough enough |
| 23:37.05 | cantoma | SynrG, yes i agree. however it is now sorted. If it happens too many times then i will spend 20 min searching those bugreports |
| 23:37.29 | SynrG | once every couple of months would be "too many times" for me |
| 23:37.48 | SynrG | but everyone has their own tolerances :) |
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| 23:39.05 | cantoma | SynrG, i guess the important is to get it to work. I probably should do a more exhaustive google search if it happens again. |
| 23:39.33 | SynrG | why google, when starting with debian bugs is more focused? |
| 23:39.43 | SynrG | could be one of them links to an upstream bug#, too |
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| 23:39.48 | SynrG | maybe even contains a patch |
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| 23:40.04 | cantoma | SynrG, that would lead to personal preferences discussion |
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| 23:40.34 | SynrG | well, as a helper on #debian, i want to maximize the benefit to debian and its users |
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| 23:40.43 | SynrG | starting with the BTS accomplishes that |
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| 23:42.37 | cantoma | SynrG, I totally agree with you when it comes to use debian bug search system |
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| 23:43.22 | cantoma | SynrG, but i guess when i comes to search for something, i tend to be bias towards google first and then use a more specific search later |
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