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| 00:00.11 | Marezz | Can anyone help me with the issue I posted ~15 minutes ago? |
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| 00:02.06 | teraflop | are people aware that this channel is for stable? |
| 00:02.47 | mtn | maybe if they read the topic :P |
| 00:03.16 | mtn | Marezz: testing/unstable: #debian-next (irc.oftc.net) |
| 00:03.24 | Marezz | my apologies |
| 00:03.28 | teraflop | and since is testing I do not think is debian 8 any more(?) |
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| 00:07.21 | innmalint | is anyone using light-locker? |
| 00:07.56 | Marezz | for some reason it didnt want to upgrade with this command "apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade" but it wants if they are done separately |
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| 00:29.26 | Bushman | ave |
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| 00:29.37 | Resilience | what is gcc5-multilib useful for? |
| 00:31.25 | hiexpo | !gcc |
| 00:31.26 | dpkg | The GNU Compiler Collection (GCC) is a compiler system supporting various programming languages. In order to change which version it should use, "export CC=gcc-$whatever", as /usr/bin symlinks (gcc, g++, et al) are not handled using Debian <alternatives>; see /usr/share/doc/gcc/README.Debian. See also <gcc-doc>. https://gcc.gnu.org/ #gcc on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 00:32.18 | Resilience | it explains what is gcc, but not what is ultilib for |
| 00:33.29 | hiexpo | what are you trying tocompile |
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| 00:34.47 | Resilience | hiexpo, nothing, but the last actualization of apt-gt update gave me gcc and g++ packets with "multilib" and I don't know if I install them or not... |
| 00:35.27 | hiexpo | what's the output postit |
| 00:35.30 | Resilience | becuase I don't udnerstand what are those packages for |
| 00:35.42 | hiexpo | post terminal |
| 00:35.51 | Resilience | On architectures with multilib support, the package contains files and dependencies for the non-default multilib architecture(s). |
| 00:36.48 | hiexpo | no terminal post no help |
| 00:37.19 | Resilience | hiexpo, what do yo refer with "terminal help"? |
| 00:37.42 | hiexpo | post your terminal output |
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| 00:38.07 | Resilience | hiexpo, of waht command? I have post you the output of the aptitude resume... |
| 00:38.09 | hiexpo | terminal tells you everything |
| 00:38.41 | Resilience | HicksD, do you refer yo apt-cache show gcc5-multilib? or waht? |
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| 00:39.19 | hiexpo | nevermind I can't help you |
| 00:39.53 | Resilience | hisay "I don't want to help you" |
| 00:40.01 | Resilience | hiexpo, say "I don't want to help you" |
| 00:40.55 | Bushman | i have a problem with bluetooth. the blueman says there's no adapter. i can see in dmesg it's initalised, look @ 1.781067 and at the end: http://paste.debian.net/182760/ |
| 00:41.03 | Bushman | any ideas what's wrong? |
| 00:41.13 | Resilience | you say "terminal output" and I have put you the emrinal output of apitutde package descrption, you say it did not like you, and refuse to tell me what do you mean with "terminal output" so... |
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| 00:45.24 | CygniX | valdyn: do want to see two seperate logs on how fail2ban dealt with 2 different filters? |
| 00:45.37 | CygniX | the issue could be date related |
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| 01:07.29 | uglygeek | Is there any way to install Debian to Android tablet without rooting?? |
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| 01:14.05 | srged | I have a script named "1" in my home folder and I want to be able to run it from a terminal without being asked for te sudo pass. I edided visodo and it didnt work. http://picpaste.com/pics/screenshot_2015-05-24_03_12_25-4KtANjjU.1432429939.png |
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| 01:19.46 | srged | I have a script named "1" in my home folder and I want to be able to run it from a terminal without being asked for te sudo pass. I edided visodo and it didnt work. http://picpaste.com/pics/screenshot_2015-05-24_03_12_25-4KtANjjU.1432429939.png |
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| 01:24.19 | nmschulte_ | I'm setting up disk encryption with the testing (netinst) installer. I setup partitioning and encryption on the drive before booting the installer. |
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| 01:25.03 | nmschulte_ | I've gotten the setup to recognize my two encrypyrd volumes, but it's forcing me to create a partition table and partition within the encrypted volumes. |
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| 01:26.20 | nmschulte_ | How can I get past the partitioning wizard and point the next step at my FS? or, how can I use the wizrd to create a partition in the full volume space? |
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| 01:29.38 | srged | where can i find a benckmark comparasion between a fostware encrypted ssd and a normal ssd ? |
| 01:30.06 | srged | basically i'd like to see how much would the encryption slow down the read/write |
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| 01:30.21 | srged | i mean the software based encrytion |
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| 01:38.43 | nick12345 | i have an AOC monitor that isnt working correctly |
| 01:39.21 | nick12345 | it isnt displaying the image at full size and 1 pixel isnt 1 pixel on it |
| 01:39.37 | nick12345 | it works fine in grub |
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| 01:49.29 | nick12345 | i have an AOC monitor that isnt working correctly |
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| 02:08.22 | nmschulte_ | is there anyway to bypass partman in the installer? |
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| 02:10.18 | Brigo | nmschulte_, what do you want to achieve? |
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| 02:16.09 | nmschulte_ | Brigo: it seems there's no way to instruct partman to format an entire encrypted volume; I have to create a partition table first and format a partition inside that. |
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| 02:16.53 | Brigo | nmschulte_, encrypted volumes, sorry, i know nothing about. |
| 02:17.11 | nmschulte_ | I am pretty certain I could do this in a previous installer version. I will contact the list. |
| 02:17.24 | nmschulte_ | I just want to bypass partman if I can to workaround. |
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| 02:34.18 | ryan8403 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:07.11 | gefdecue | I have a script that normally asks for the sudo pass when i type it in the terminal. I want to run it without enetering the pass every time. I edited the visudo and didnt work. |
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| 03:13.56 | gefdecue | how can I make sure that my system is clean of viruses? |
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| 03:15.22 | shay_shay | question: on a debian bug report, in the top right of the page there are those circles, in this example there is a arrow pointing to testing/unstable... what does this mean exactly? https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=781757 |
| 03:15.23 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/781757 in gnome-shell (open, upstream): «Please apply upstream workaround for nvidia-driver background garbage on resume»; severity: normal; opened: 2015-04-02; last modified: 2015-04-27. |
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| 03:16.38 | shay_shay | the version in testing doesnt have this bug, i know that for a fact, but i'm not sure if that version will make it into stable or if the maintainer is supposed to backport the bug fix as a patch |
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| 03:17.22 | themill | shay_shay: it's a list of all the versiosn the bts knows about and whether they are buggy (red) or fixed (green). The bts does not think this bug is fixed in testing or unstable. |
| 03:17.54 | themill | The package will never migrate to jessie. It would need to be a separate upload as negotiated with the release managers |
| 03:17.57 | shay_shay | ok, how does that get changed to green? the maintainer does it? |
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| 03:19.13 | shay_shay | wallpapers are corrupted on 3.14.2 and that was fixed upstream as of 3.14.4 |
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| 03:19.57 | themill | The bug should get closed with metadata indicating in what versions the bug is fixed |
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| 03:27.07 | shay_shay | themill: is it naive to think the 3.14.2 version could simply be built with this patch and then it would have an incremented version number (e.g. 3.14.2-4) ?? https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-shell/commit/?h=gnome-3-14&id=d19e78af2459b1b5165848b643525df29ee20265 |
| 03:28.19 | themill | the patch doesn't look sufficiently scary that no-one would touch it. It's up to the maintainer to discuss it with the SRMs |
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| 03:38.54 | Qwik | Are you guys familiar with installing Windows over linux? |
| 03:40.40 | shay_shay | Qwik: you mean dual booting? |
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| 03:41.31 | Qwik | Shay_shay: yea basically. But im stuck |
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| 03:41.34 | shay_shay | windows likes to be the first thing in a drive, so you either get a second drive or you resize your linux partitions and reposition them |
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| 03:41.46 | bazhang | how many channels are you going to hit today quik |
| 03:41.56 | Bushman | i don't know why but i prefer doing it in the alternative order, windows, THEN linux. but that's just me. |
| 03:42.09 | Qwik | Bazhang: every single one till i get answers |
| 03:42.13 | shay_shay | Bushman: well thats the easiest way, yes |
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| 03:42.22 | shay_shay | Qwik: thats not how IRC works |
| 03:42.57 | bazhang | Qwik, its completely a windows issue, not anything about linux |
| 03:43.03 | Bushman | shay_shay: to be honest i have no idea how to do this from windows as a second perspective. |
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| 03:43.31 | Qwik | Ok giving up hope |
| 03:43.55 | Bushman | i know most linux installers will handle configuring grub for me to boot windows. no idea how to do the same with windows tho. |
| 03:44.27 | Qwik | Its annoying because i know its possible |
| 03:44.53 | Bushman | can i ask why you're doing it to yourself? |
| 03:44.54 | Qwik | I screenshotted the steps a while back but theyre deleted now |
| 03:45.00 | Bushman | why in this order? |
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| 03:45.16 | Bushman | why not windows first, THEN linux? |
| 03:45.34 | shay_shay | Qwik: yes i'm sure i could do it but i doubt i could walk someone through it. you're just going to have to keep doing research online until you're confident in your plan |
| 03:46.02 | Qwik | Because once you install any linux distro youre stuck with linux |
| 03:46.05 | Bushman | heh... |
| 03:46.12 | Bushman | Qwik: lol, no? |
| 03:46.18 | Qwik | My brain is gonna explode |
| 03:46.22 | shay_shay | forever, Bushman. forever. |
| 03:46.26 | Qwik | My laptop has no disk drive |
| 03:46.44 | wheezy287611 | Qwik does it need to be grub ? could you boot one from CD and one from drive ? |
| 03:46.50 | Bushman | Qwik: what are you trying to do in the first place? |
| 03:46.58 | wheezy287611 | oops no drive |
| 03:47.21 | bazhang | boot windows iso from grub install from there with no hdd |
| 03:47.28 | Qwik | Trying to reinstall windows on my laptop. |
| 03:47.42 | Qwik | Because its convenient and easy |
| 03:47.45 | bazhang | reinstall on no hdd yeah |
| 03:47.52 | Bushman | Qwik: yes, go on. |
| 03:48.39 | wheezy287611 | well save your files to a USB first |
| 03:48.42 | Bushman | Qwik: reinstall it from what media? CD? |
| 03:48.47 | wheezy287611 | work files |
| 03:48.48 | Qwik | I got the Windows 10 iso mounted to /mnt and its own Partition |
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| 03:49.02 | shay_shay | Qwik: if you want it because its easy then thats not a good reason. you'll think linux is easier eventually.. but if you said something like "i have to use a specific CAD software for work and therefore I need linux" then thats something else |
| 03:49.17 | shay_shay | s/linux/windows |
| 03:49.33 | bazhang | partition of a usb stick |
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| 03:49.42 | Bushman | Qwik: and you don't have USB drives or DVDs? |
| 03:49.50 | Qwik | Shay_shay Windows is really easier in my case. |
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| 03:49.54 | bazhang | boot windows iso from that usb and isntall to same usb |
| 03:50.03 | Qwik | I have a usb to use. |
| 03:50.27 | Bushman | Qwik: what's with the no-hard-drive thing? |
| 03:50.31 | Qwik | If it was really that simple to reinstall windows via usb i wouldnt be here |
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| 03:50.45 | bazhang | its not a debian issue at all |
| 03:50.47 | shay_shay | Qwik: i thought you just said windows is easier... |
| 03:50.57 | Qwik | I have no disk drive not a hdd |
| 03:50.59 | shay_shay | but then you cant easily install it from usb? |
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| 03:51.17 | Qwik | JDJDJDJIDCNCKFLFLF |
| 03:51.20 | Bushman | Qwik: i'm starting to see the issue here. |
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| 03:51.29 | Qwik | Bye guys i give up |
| 03:51.40 | Bushman | Qwik: you're an idiot! :D |
| 03:51.48 | Bushman | oh my. |
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| 03:51.51 | bazhang | he intentionally wasting peoples time cross channel |
| 03:52.06 | Qwik | Bazhang shut up. |
| 03:52.17 | Bushman | bazhang: most likely ;] |
| 03:52.22 | Bushman | or his own |
| 03:52.24 | wheezy287611 | trying to picture a computer with no hd / disk drive... umm... android ? |
| 03:52.24 | Bushman | or both. |
| 03:52.25 | Qwik | Im actually trying to solve something |
| 03:52.45 | Bushman | Qwik: you're not trying to solve the issue. you're making it. |
| 03:52.49 | Qwik | DUDE I SAID DISK DRIVE |
| 03:53.04 | ctmjr | Qwik: ask in ##windows |
| 03:53.05 | Qwik | A SLOT WHERE U PUT A CD IN |
| 03:53.07 | Bushman | Qwik: go get a disk drive and stop whining. |
| 03:53.16 | bazhang | whichever channel he asks in , done in a completely offtopic manner |
| 03:53.30 | shay_shay | Qwik: you mean to say disC then |
| 03:53.34 | wheezy287611 | that would be a CD/DVD drive |
| 03:53.38 | Bushman | Qwik: i sugest you tone it down. |
| 03:53.46 | bazhang | optical drive |
| 03:53.51 | wheezy287611 | that |
| 03:53.55 | Bushman | heh. |
| 03:53.57 | bazhang | not hdd |
| 03:53.58 | Qwik | bazhang have you helped anyone yet |
| 03:54.04 | wheezy287611 | no picking on the newbies |
| 03:54.08 | wheezy287611 | :) |
| 03:54.18 | bazhang | he's not new at all |
| 03:54.24 | Bushman | Qwik: focus for a second... you said "partition" |
| 03:54.30 | Bushman | you have a hard disk, right? |
| 03:55.04 | Qwik | Shay_shay ok so what should i do from here. These guys are just antagonizing. |
| 03:55.26 | Bushman | Qwik: hey, i'm trying to help, ok? |
| 03:55.33 | wheezy287611 | Quik please tell us what your computer is... |
| 03:55.45 | Bushman | if you don't want my help then gtfo and leave us be. |
| 03:56.22 | Qwik | Bushman go suck a dick. How about that. |
| 03:56.36 | Qwik | Bushman literally worthless |
| 03:56.37 | shay_shay | Qwik: I'm not going to be much help, when i plug in windows install usb's they just boot into the installer... maybe i'll mess with partitions in advance with gparted live, but then when i boot my USB is "just works" |
| 03:56.41 | wheezy287611 | its easy to dual boot... but we need to know what computer you have |
| 03:56.50 | bazhang | !ops | Qwik |
| 03:56.50 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: bazhang complains about: | Qwik |
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| 03:56.55 | ctmjr | this is a debian support channel not how to install windows |
| 03:57.02 | Bushman | sorry. i'm not gay. but you can go do that, i don't mind Qwik. |
| 03:57.13 | wheezy287611 | dual boot counts as linux :) |
| 03:57.49 | Qwik | shay_shay alright. I'll just try again tomorrow. Thanks anyway |
| 03:58.10 | wheezy287611 | makes calendar note |
| 03:58.57 | Bushman | yea, you try that tomorrow... since you can't take help from people without telling them to suck dick. |
| 03:59.05 | ctmjr | wheezy287611: he does not want to dual boot he wants get to rid of whatever distro he has and install windows |
| 03:59.19 | wheezy287611 | ugh |
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| 03:59.26 | wheezy287611 | not a linux issue for sure |
| 03:59.38 | wheezy287611 | debian even |
| 03:59.42 | Bushman | nope. |
| 04:00.23 | Bushman | i'd help him anyway (with the stuff he needs to do on linux)... |
| 04:00.30 | Bushman | if he was not such an ass. |
| 04:01.03 | wheezy287611 | part of this is easy... unplug computer... old distro gone :) |
| 04:01.30 | Bushman | not if it's on his hdd |
| 04:01.31 | Bushman | :P |
| 04:01.57 | wheezy287611 | well... first unplug... then toss in garbage |
| 04:02.10 | shay_shay | !tell Qwik about not supporting lubuntu |
| 04:02.16 | wheezy287611 | enough tomfoolery |
| 04:02.38 | Bushman | but from what i've gethered he has some linux running and iso of the windows... all he had to do was... wait, i forgot. he's an ass, no help for him. |
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| 04:03.16 | wheezy287611 | really, if you want some kind of linux but like windows, ubuntu is made for that |
| 04:03.41 | wheezy287611 | if youre after windows only, there is a windows channel |
| 04:03.43 | Qwik | Youre a joke Bushman. If you were put in this predicament you'd be stuck too. |
| 04:04.03 | Bushman | or you can do like i did and install debian. almost as easy as ubunut |
| 04:04.41 | wheezy287611 | whatever it is, arguing with regulars will not win favors |
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| 04:04.48 | Bushman | Qwik: i wouldn't tell people who are actively trying to help me to suck dick. that's all |
| 04:05.21 | wheezy287611 | youre not in his predicament tho |
| 04:05.34 | wheezy287611 | whatever that is... we dont know yet |
| 04:06.00 | Qwik | Bushman you can stop mentioning me now. We've established you're no help. You could probably go to bed now. |
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| 04:06.33 | Bushman | Qwik: no, YOU eastablished i'm no help. |
| 04:06.44 | wheezy287611 | goes to write a distro that doesnt have problems, or chat channels |
| 04:06.50 | Bushman | you also made sure it's true. |
| 04:07.08 | wheezy287611 | looks around for troll snacks |
| 04:07.36 | Bushman | wheezy287611: you mean like distro for your wall clock? |
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| 04:07.51 | wheezy287611 | yea... something simple |
| 04:08.10 | Bushman | wheezy287611: well, my dad just recently made a wall clock... |
| 04:08.18 | wheezy287611 | digital ? |
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| 04:08.26 | Bushman | yes. |
| 04:08.28 | Bushman | unfortunatly it runs raspbian. |
| 04:08.32 | Bushman | :D |
| 04:08.41 | Bushman | so there is a channel for that XD |
| 04:08.46 | wheezy287611 | ah |
| 04:09.10 | Bushman | it's a funny story actually. |
| 04:09.27 | Bushman | my dad is a hardcore no-linux-anything guy |
| 04:09.35 | Bushman | or rather was |
| 04:09.49 | Bushman | he only runs windows on his machines. |
| 04:10.08 | wheezy287611 | hmm... there is this new... umm... portable to anything linux... |
| 04:10.13 | Bushman | i've convinced him to buy RPi for his clock build |
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| 04:10.47 | Bushman | he even coded the clock app himself using GTK+2 libs |
| 04:10.49 | Bushman | :P |
| 04:11.19 | wheezy287611 | so now he can set it from the leisure of his TV lounger ? |
| 04:11.43 | Bushman | well, no. it relies on NTP |
| 04:11.46 | Bushman | :P |
| 04:12.05 | Bushman | he made it to order |
| 04:12.10 | wheezy287611 | oh I get it... auto reset by satellite |
| 04:12.31 | Bushman | the order was a cheap digital clock with large display that has NTP support |
| 04:13.03 | Bushman | i told him not to try to force down a door that's already open. |
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| 04:13.27 | wheezy287611 | thats just what I was looking for... digital numerals... big ones... |
| 04:13.46 | Bushman | any linux can do ntpd so there's no point in writing code for example on AVR or anything. |
| 04:13.59 | wheezy287611 | oic |
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| 04:14.29 | Bushman | i saved him few weeks of coding |
| 04:14.46 | Bushman | and the clock IS big ;] |
| 04:14.50 | Bushman | 22" |
| 04:14.56 | wheezy287611 | oooooo |
| 04:15.41 | Bushman | it seems small compared to those two 56" TVs that are right under it tho XD |
| 04:15.59 | wheezy287611 | lol |
| 04:16.04 | neorpheus | hey guys/gals, i have quick question i hope you can help me with. i have a debian headless server that has sat dormant for a few months, and i cant remember which version of java i installed. "java --version" tells me its gij but i have no clue how to translate this to a package name that i can tell apt-get to remove, any idead? |
| 04:16.14 | Bushman | it was for a fire department ;] |
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| 04:16.37 | wheezy287611 | now it all makes sense |
| 04:16.39 | Bushman | those guys have huge screens for security cameras and other stuff |
| 04:16.59 | Bushman | but one of them TVs keeps playing some movies lol |
| 04:17.05 | somiaj | peaks in and reminds people to stay on topic |
| 04:17.13 | Bushman | so the guys are not bored on their shift |
| 04:17.23 | somiaj | neorpheus: dpkg -l | grep java |
| 04:17.34 | somiaj | neorpheus: most likely it is openjdk |
| 04:17.38 | Bushman | um... topic... umm... |
| 04:17.39 | themill | neorpheus: it will be a gcj-* package; it's likely you actually want openjdk instead as that tends to be a more complete and faster implementation |
| 04:17.45 | Bushman | those TVs run linux!!! |
| 04:17.59 | Bushman | ... i'm sure. |
| 04:18.06 | Bushman | i'm mostly sure. |
| 04:18.20 | Bushman | well, i think they do. cause what else?! windows? :D |
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| 04:18.48 | neorpheus | somiaj: that command returned nothing at all. |
| 04:18.50 | somiaj | Bushman: please stay on topic, there are other places to discuss technology in general. |
| 04:19.01 | wheezy287611 | wonders what headless is ? |
| 04:19.02 | Bushman | ok, sorry |
| 04:19.16 | Bushman | i'm off to sleep anyway so have fun guys |
| 04:19.27 | somiaj | neorpheus: yea I didn't reconize gcj, so dpkg -l | grep gcj |
| 04:19.30 | neorpheus | themill: yes its is gcj-jre and gcj-jre-headless, i forget the command i used to find that info but if its relevant i could find out again |
| 04:19.32 | Bushman | is gone |
| 04:19.37 | wheezy287611 | count digital sheep |
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| 04:21.06 | poorrick | Why isn't apt-get pulling the newest version of xserver-xorg-video-intel from experimental? It keeps saying it's up to date with the version that comes with Jessie. |
| 04:21.33 | neorpheus | ahh yes there we go, theres "gcj-4.8-jre-headless" "gcj-4.8-jre-lib" "libgcj-common" and ""libgcj14:amd64" listed |
| 04:21.34 | somiaj | poorrick: you shouldn't be installing experiemntail packages in jessie (stable), don't mix things. |
| 04:21.35 | wheezy287611 | jessie isnt updated yet ? |
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| 04:22.14 | wheezy287611 | oops... yea... distro mixing is dangerous |
| 04:22.22 | somiaj | poorrick: but expiremential is pinned low so things don't upgrade to experimential. But it may be better to backport the package over isntall it in jessie (privded you double check that jessie can satsify all the depends it may be possible to use, but that is usually not the suggested way) |
| 04:22.29 | neorpheus | so am i correct in assuming that these are the package names that i need to "apt-get remove"? |
| 04:22.47 | poorrick | somiaj: I don't care, my display isn't usable without it. Besides, it's recommended on the Debian wiki for my computer. |
| 04:22.57 | themill | poorrick: apart from "don't mix experimental and jessie", there's also no xserver-xorg-video-intel package in experimental. |
| 04:22.59 | somiaj | neorpheus: yes dpkg -l lists all installed packages, so greping for gcj retruns all packages with that string. |
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| 04:23.19 | somiaj | poorrick: some of the wiki info is outdated for when jessie was testing. |
| 04:23.29 | somiaj | ,v xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 04:23.30 | judd | Package: xserver-xorg-video-intel on amd64 -- squeeze: 2:2.13.0-7; squeeze-backports: 2:2.15.0-3~bpo60+2; wheezy: 2:2.19.0-6; wheezy-backports: 2:2.21.15-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 2:2.21.15-2+b2; jessie-backports: 2:2.99.917-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 2:2.99.917-1; sid: 2:2.99.917-1 |
| 04:24.00 | somiaj | poorrick: do you happen to know what version you need. But looks like the version in jessie-backports is the same as the version in sid, so I would get the jessie-backports one (that was probabaly the one that was in experiemntail when the person wrote the wiki) |
| 04:24.04 | somiaj | or newer than |
| 04:24.05 | neorpheus | somiaj: thanks im still fairly new with linux, i had used dpkg and grep before but they were "magical incantations" for me, had no clue what exactly they did |
| 04:24.29 | poorrick | somiaj: this page is from April |
| 04:24.36 | themill | poorrick: which page... |
| 04:24.51 | somiaj | poorrick: jessie was testing until the end of april and at that time there were lots of packages pooled in experimental |
| 04:25.08 | poorrick | https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Dell/Dell%20XPS%2013%209343 |
| 04:25.10 | somiaj | poorrick: but anyways I bet that version in jessie-backports will suit your needs. |
| 04:25.21 | poorrick | somiaj: well, thank you |
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| 04:29.20 | wheezy287611 | anyone know if jessie includes latest Inkscape ? .91 or whatever |
| 04:29.31 | somiaj | ,v inkscape |
| 04:29.32 | judd | Package: inkscape on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.47.0-2+b1; wheezy: 0.48.3.1-1.3; jessie: 0.48.5-3; sid: 0.91-4; stretch: 0.91-4 |
| 04:29.56 | somiaj | wheezy287611: doesn't look like it. YOu may have to back port it from sid, /msg dpkg ssb |
| 04:30.05 | neorpheus | somiaj: thanks alot, that actually did fix the problem. 1 more question if i may: what would be the recomended java to install for a minecraft server, or stability/speed in general? |
| 04:30.18 | somiaj | neorpheus: openjdk should be fine |
| 04:30.28 | wheezy287611 | right... thanks somiaj |
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| 04:30.46 | somiaj | neorpheus: I would try that and there are ways to install oracl's java, but I don't think you'll need that for minecraft. |
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| 04:32.28 | neorpheus | somiaj: i have used openjdk in the past with no issues, and it is a fairly trivial matter to install from a .tar.gz or whatnot but i was just wondring because i had heard online that openjdk isnt the best suited for mc |
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| 04:33.02 | somiaj | neorpheus: its gone though various versions. Last time I played with minecraft it worked fine with openjdk |
| 04:33.20 | somiaj | neorpheus: I would try openjdk unless you notice some issue, which I don't think you will |
| 04:34.00 | neorpheus | somiaj: yeah im going with openjdk-8 now. it should work fine like you said. |
| 04:35.00 | neorpheus | that was odd, just saw something about it setting up x11. i hope thats just the jre setting up some files in case i decide to install x11 later. i have no need for a windowing system on a headless box |
| 04:37.23 | somiaj | neorpheus: did it just install xorg-libs or something like that. This is just a small meta packages so things can link against xorg without pulling in much of xorg. |
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| 04:38.13 | neorpheus | somiaj: not sure i didnt actually catch what it said, just noticed x11 scroll by |
| 04:38.40 | somiaj | neorpheus: yea java also has opengl libaries, so all that gets installed. NOte it is just the libs, you don't actually have xorg on your system. |
| 04:39.01 | neorpheus | somiaj: ok i gotcha |
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| 04:40.28 | neorpheus | here we going, doing a probably unneeded reboot then firing up the mc server |
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| 04:49.11 | sandman | Can anyone recommend a firewall gui, something like what might be found on a WRT54G? |
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| 04:49.33 | neorpheus | works like a charm so far thanks again somiaj |
| 04:51.31 | somiaj | sandman: http://www.iptables.info/en/iptables-gui.html, I'm unsure which ones are available in debian, but there are some options. |
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| 04:53.34 | lrvick | Is thre a way to build initramfs without having it execute right away |
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| 04:54.01 | lrvick | I put a script in init-premount I need to only run when the disk is not mounted |
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| 05:15.45 | mrHTTP | Whats new in Jessie? |
| 05:16.14 | jerichowasahoax | mrHTTP: I think Jessie is the release that sees systemd as the new default init system |
| 05:16.46 | jerichowasahoax | could've been wheezy though, my memory sucks |
| 05:17.36 | mrHTTP | Wasnt this a symb link? |
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| 06:23.14 | Bob_Olsen | I just installed a fresh copy of Debian. While constantly running a port scan on my system from port 1 - 65500 I notice that a lot of ports get opened and closed. All the ports are above 10000. Is this normal ? |
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| 06:23.58 | Bob_Olsen | this would be an example : 57834/tcp open unknown |
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| 06:24.52 | rozie | Bob_Olsen: do you scan localhost? |
| 06:24.57 | Bob_Olsen | yes |
| 06:25.40 | rozie | take a look on netstat |
| 06:26.15 | Bob_Olsen | so grep port from netstat ? |
| 06:26.36 | rozie | yes |
| 06:27.14 | Bob_Olsen | the ports seem to only be open for a couple of seconds |
| 06:27.25 | Bob_Olsen | it did not find anything in netstat about that port |
| 06:28.45 | Bob_Olsen | sometimes 5-10 scans pass with no open ports, then suddenly 1 - 3 ports are open in the high range |
| 06:28.59 | Resilience | what happens when installaing gcc-multlib packages? are they used for 32/64 bits compilation? or for architecture corsscompilation too? |
| 06:29.31 | Resilience | Bob_Olsen, what proccess are those prots attached to? |
| 06:30.07 | Bob_Olsen | Resilience: how can I figure this out ps -A | grep something ? |
| 06:30.27 | Resilience | Bob_Olsen, how do you do the ports scan? which tool? |
| 06:30.59 | Bob_Olsen | i scan with nmap i do nmap 127.0.0.1 -p 1-65000 |
| 06:31.47 | Resilience | Bob_Olsen, no expert in nmap, but try reading the man page (or a fast search with google) and if it fails I think that lsof lists the open ports And the proccess attached with them |
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| 06:34.19 | Bob_Olsen | Resilience: are you saying im using nmap wrong ? |
| 06:35.10 | Resilience | Bob_Olsen, no, I am saying that I don't know much about nmap and that there are other tools that give you what you need, not your fault, mine |
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| 06:59.33 | ryouma | are those outside-facing ports? |
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| 07:00.33 | ryouma | ss -nlp will tell you what is listening |
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| 07:01.03 | ryouma | netstat -tunlp|sort -k6 will tell you stuff, but includes unix domain sockets |
| 07:01.05 | ryouma | i think |
| 07:01.14 | ryouma | netstat -plna if you want /unix domain/, which are local |
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| 07:01.40 | ryouma | lsof -i :22 to find out what process is using port so you can script it |
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| 07:04.07 | moderntimes | hi, am i the only one who cannot connect to security and jessie-updates thorugh apt? |
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| 07:10.33 | marieta | Livedistros must have auxiliars to be burned to the flash unity or is just copy the files from the .iso extractedely and it's all? |
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| 07:16.16 | grantwu | Can anyone help me with writing chinese? |
| 07:16.38 | grantwu | I added chinese as an input source, and I can switch between english and chinese, but having chinese input selected doesn't appear to do anything |
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| 07:34.21 | klys | grantwu, uxterm/x-terminal-emulator or fbterm |
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| 07:41.49 | DJJeff | is the author of gksu in here |
| 07:41.49 | DJJeff | http://www.nongnu.org/gksu/ |
| 07:42.16 | keoskes1 | hi all. anybody can help me with hostapd on raspberry pi? if he start on init.d, he start wrong (wi-fi network is on, but routing not work). if i killall hostapd and restart "with hands" is ok. |
| 07:43.59 | DJJeff | do you have a dhcp server? |
| 07:44.01 | DJJeff | dnsmasq? |
| 07:44.10 | DJJeff | isc-dhcp-server? |
| 07:44.15 | keoskes1 | yes. isc-dhcp-server |
| 07:45.49 | keoskes1 | hmmm. maybe hostapd start before dhcp? |
| 07:45.55 | DJJeff | do your clients get address? |
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| 07:45.58 | keoskes1 | yes |
| 07:46.11 | DJJeff | can clients ping the dhcp server? |
| 07:46.34 | DJJeff | output from $ sudo route -n |
| 07:46.40 | DJJeff | from a clients perspective |
| 07:46.42 | grantwu | klys: Is that supposed to help with non-terminal applications |
| 07:46.53 | keoskes1 | one minute. test |
| 07:47.16 | klys | grantwu, was just curious what terminal you were using |
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| 07:51.18 | keoskes1 | DJJeff, no |
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| 07:52.10 | DJJeff | so your clients are not able to get a connection from the dhcp server |
| 07:52.25 | DJJeff | after getting handed an IP from the server? |
| 07:52.35 | keoskes1 | setination host unreachable |
| 07:53.02 | keoskes1 | destination* |
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| 07:53.59 | keoskes1 | well, similar to |
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| 07:54.19 | reactormonk | Where do you get your debian vbox images from? |
| 07:56.56 | keoskes1 | btw, macbook can't obtain IP always... and android was received |
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| 07:57.21 | shay_shay | !tell Qwik about dont break debian |
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| 08:02.20 | grantwu | klys: I use gnome-terminal |
| 08:02.39 | grantwu | Why do you ask? |
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| 08:04.48 | klys | grantwu, what package are you using for an input method? I will test it myself. |
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| 08:19.00 | wheezyChat | does anyone know the channel for the jessie-without-whatever theyre complaining about development ? :) |
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| 08:20.41 | deepy | wheezyChat: Devuan_ |
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| 08:20.51 | wheezyChat | ooo thats it |
| 08:20.54 | wheezyChat | thanks |
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| 08:49.41 | kqr | hey awesome people! I bought a new laptop a few months ago and installed jessie on it. I learned then that the touchpad used some very new hardware which debian could not recognise as anything other than a "two button PS/2 mouse" or something. I'd like to investigate if there are proper drivers now. where do I start with such an investigation? |
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| 08:52.34 | GPenguin | kqr: you could start with the kernel which provides the drivers (or not) and then check what kernel version you need |
| 08:52.45 | kqr | I don't know if such a kernel exists yet |
| 08:52.54 | kqr | I'm at the stage where I"m trying to find out what kind of touchpad I have heh |
| 08:53.18 | GPenguin | kqr: does "lspci" list it? |
| 08:53.36 | GPenguin | or tools like "lshw"? |
| 08:53.55 | kqr | lspci does not explicitly list it, I'll check with lshw |
| 08:54.55 | kqr | I can't find anything obviously mouse/touchpad related with lshw |
| 08:55.31 | Cyberfunk | Hello. I tried to send a mail with echo "Test" | mail -s "Hello World" mailtest@yopmail.com. It doesn't work. I'm reading the log in /var/mail/myusername, and I've got as response : https://pastee.org/9qps3 . What does it mean ? |
| 08:55.37 | GPenguin | kqr: not even when you look for "input device" type things? |
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| 08:56.38 | kqr | GPenguin, wait might "Human interface device" be it? |
| 08:57.01 | GPenguin | kqr: very likely |
| 08:57.21 | kqr | GPenguin, then yes, I see it with lshw |
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| 08:58.08 | kqr | GPenguin, hm that might also be the touchscreen... |
| 08:58.34 | kqr | I'll google around a bit now that I know some more |
| 08:58.37 | kqr | thanks for your help |
| 08:58.57 | GPenguin | searching URL, one moment please |
| 08:59.09 | kqr | according to the internet kernel 3.18 has support for my touchpad |
| 08:59.16 | kqr | I have 3.16 at the moment |
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| 08:59.37 | kqr | is there an easy way to upgrade to 3.18? |
| 09:00.14 | Cyberfunk | Help ? :-( |
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| 09:00.50 | kqr | Cyberfunk, the "mail" program cannot send mail over the internet |
| 09:00.58 | kqr | Cyberfunk, it is for sending messages to users on your computer only |
| 09:01.13 | Cyberfunk | Oh. So, I have to install a whole SMTP server ? |
| 09:01.16 | kqr | Cyberfunk, you might want to take a look at msmtp if you want to send over the internet (you'll need to configure it with an SMTP server and so on) |
| 09:01.28 | kqr | or use an existing one, if you have a mail acccount you want to send through |
| 09:02.30 | Cyberfunk | Yeah. Thanks for your help! |
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| 09:04.47 | Fr3d3r1c | hello |
| 09:04.48 | GPenguin | packages.debian.org says 3.16 is the newest kernel |
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| 09:05.00 | Fr3d3r1c | what is "-s" in the command "ln -s" please ? |
| 09:05.07 | kqr | GPenguin, oh shoot. :( |
| 09:05.20 | kqr | Fr3d3r1c, run the "man ls" command |
| 09:05.23 | GPenguin | Fr3d3r1c: it creates a symbolic link. the man page gives details |
| 09:05.29 | kqr | Fr3d3r1c, it will list all flags and what they do |
| 09:05.31 | GPenguin | :) |
| 09:05.42 | Fr3d3r1c | ok thanks |
| 09:06.18 | kqr | GPenguin, (ls, not ln) |
| 09:06.34 | kqr | oh wait |
| 09:06.36 | kqr | no |
| 09:06.38 | kqr | that was ln |
| 09:06.38 | GPenguin | sends himself to take a break |
| 09:06.43 | kqr | I read it as ls |
| 09:06.51 | GPenguin | :) |
| 09:08.17 | kqr | GPenguin, does the packages.debian.org latest kernel mean there's no easy way to upgrade the kernel? |
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| 09:08.33 | jelly | kqr: there's a 4.0 kernel in unstable. You might have to wait a bit before there's a backported package suitable for debian 8 |
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| 09:09.16 | kqr | jelly, what does "backport package suitable for debian 8" mean? |
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| 09:10.38 | jelly | kqr: it's not safe to use packages from unstable or testing branches directly, so one needs to make a "backport" which works well on the current release branch (debian 8) |
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| 09:11.41 | jelly | kqr: there's a separate repository of such packages, but it does not contain a newer kernel... yet |
| 09:11.45 | jelly | !jessie-backports |
| 09:11.45 | dpkg | Selected packages intended for the Debian 9 "Stretch" release but recompiled for use with "Wheezy" (8.x) can be found in the "jessie-backports" repository. Note that jessie-backports are on the regular mirror network, not on backports.debian.org. A suitable line for your sources.list is «deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie-backports main». Also ask me about <bdo>. |
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| 09:12.58 | kqr | !bdo |
| 09:12.58 | dpkg | backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <jessie backports>) and oldstable (<wheezy backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg> <bdo NEW>. |
| 09:13.22 | eathf | How do I set claws-mail up to download all inbox messages without attachments? The documentation states I could set this up in the receive dialogue of the preferences but I got no such option there... |
| 09:13.23 | kqr | !backport caveat |
| 09:13.23 | dpkg | Remember that in installing backports, you will be using an unusual configuration of packages that has not been tested as thoroughly as Debian stable and that newer packages have both newer features and newer bugs. Ask me about <version chasing>. Also note that you can't rely on backports to be patched quickly if vulnerabilities are discovered. |
| 09:13.30 | kqr | !bdo-kernel |
| 09:13.36 | kqr | !bdo kernel |
| 09:13.37 | dpkg | Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "jessie-backports" repository. Ask me about <jessie backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t jessie-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'». |
| 09:13.58 | jelly | kqr: oh, use "/msg dpkg stuff" to ask the bot about stuff in private |
| 09:14.05 | kqr | jelly, ah, thanks |
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| 09:40.05 | hetOrakel | hi all, i get some "no space left on device" in my exim log, but all my drives have plenty of space. Where should i look? |
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| 09:41.29 | hetOrakel | exact message is "Message abandoned: Spool write error (No space left on device) while receiving message from Debian-exim" |
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| 09:45.21 | jolt | hetOrakel: what does dmesg say? Are you sure your /var/log directory actually have space left |
| 09:46.22 | hetOrakel | ok, i just whitnessed a realtime occurance |
| 09:47.18 | hetOrakel | something writes to some place on the root filesystem until it is full. |
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| 09:52.20 | tremon | hetOrakel: check df -i as well |
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| 09:53.34 | hetOrakel | ok thanks, i suspect a specific script is using a tmp file, thanks so far |
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| 10:04.57 | dutchfish | hetOrakel, if /var/log is inside / this is the most likely place to look for |
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| 10:15.38 | GladiaTeur | hello which packages that i can install for json i tried apt-get install libjson0 libjson0-dev seems not found |
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| 10:17.54 | littlebit | hi people, I was now mirroring a website with wget and I was successful. When copying the mirrored site onto a usb stick I got error messages saying that it couldn't create the directory because it is an invalid argument. Now after googling the problem resides that non ntfs and extX filesystems (fat16 and fat32) do not support symbolic links. Therefore I wanted to know if there is a way to... |
| 10:17.56 | littlebit | ...tell wget to resolve these symlinks? |
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| 10:19.51 | GPenguin | littlebit: wget --help | grep sym |
| 10:20.00 | hetOrakel | it was /tmp filling up |
| 10:20.14 | littlebit | GPenguin: thx |
| 10:20.54 | hetOrakel | i was using mp4box in a crontab to convert some vids, this uses /tmp (which in my case is inside / ). mp4box writes larges temp-files |
| 10:21.39 | hetOrakel | i changed the temp path for this and everything is working fine now. Thanks |
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| 10:24.38 | dutchfish | hetOrakel, ah ic. Anyway limit on /tmp size if it is mounted as tmpfs |
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| 10:25.59 | littlebit | and is there a way to make wget download more than 1 file simultanously? |
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| 10:27.36 | dutchfish | littlebit, -r (recursive) |
| 10:27.56 | dutchfish | littlebit, also see its manpage |
| 10:29.15 | dutchfish | littlebit, or even `wget file1 & wget file2` |
| 10:30.18 | littlebit | ah ok, thanks. I tought that it is like cp -r; going into directory and copy its contents |
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| 10:31.42 | dutchfish | littlebit, you can even filter it like -A.html |
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| 10:32.35 | buu | -r is not parallel |
| 10:32.56 | dutchfish | buu, nope and it shouldnt |
| 10:33.23 | dutchfish | buu, its sequentially |
| 10:33.49 | buu | dutchfish: He was asking for parallel and you said yes |
| 10:35.18 | dutchfish | buu, oops i misread, thought he wanted a phrase as a oneliner |
| 10:36.32 | littlebit | no, what I want is to speed up the mirroring process a little more. the content is html-, css- and pngfiles |
| 10:37.24 | littlebit | all those files are small and have a large download, which should allow me to get files downloaded parallel |
| 10:38.25 | buu | http://sourceforge.net/projects/aria2/#Downloadfileslistedinafileconcurrently ? |
| 10:38.31 | dutchfish | littlebit, buu, aria2 can do that |
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| 10:38.46 | dutchfish | littlebit, it is in jessie repos |
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| 10:39.22 | buu | shrugs |
| 10:39.35 | littlebit | ah, great thx |
| 10:40.14 | dutchfish | littlebit, something like aria2c -x2 [url] |
| 10:40.34 | dutchfish | littlebit, dont go crazy on this ;) |
| 10:40.43 | littlebit | :p |
| 10:41.17 | buu | Now if only I could teach scp to not open a new connection each time |
| 10:41.50 | dutchfish | buu, there is an scp continue option i believe (nt sure) |
| 10:42.01 | dutchfish | s/nt/not |
| 10:42.02 | buu | o.o |
| 10:42.08 | buu | where |
| 10:42.23 | dutchfish | buu, have to look that up, a sec |
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| 10:44.41 | dutchfish | buu, nope i was mixed up, rsync can do that |
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| 10:46.05 | dutchfish | buu, if your large file scp aborts primaturely: rsync --partial --progress --rsh=ssh user@host:remote_file local_file |
| 10:47.45 | dutchfish | buu, that worked pretty well for me |
| 10:51.16 | dutchfish | buu, if you need to sync large amounts and many file scp is not good option anyway |
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| 11:04.10 | asturel | i cant stop mysql, tried service mysql stop, systemctl and from init.d it auto restarts.. why? |
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| 11:06.07 | asturel | typing shutdown into mysql console works tho.. |
| 11:06.17 | asturel | seems like some user missing with shutdown perm from mysql |
| 11:07.49 | vegardx | You should see some credentials in /etc/mysql/debian.cnf that is used for that. |
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| 11:13.52 | kong0 | DEBIAN SUCKS |
| 11:14.57 | vegardx | You said it! |
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| 11:15.00 | vegardx | Or, wait. |
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| 11:16.04 | kong0 | BITCH |
| 11:16.26 | Bob_Olsen | kong0: is there something wrong with you ? seriously |
| 11:16.28 | vegardx | https://i.imgur.com/yR8vSHl.gif |
| 11:16.45 | kong0 | stfu FAG |
| 11:16.58 | Krakakanok | xD |
| 11:17.24 | vegardx | https://i.imgur.com/k2fEJA0.gif |
| 11:17.29 | vegardx | I can go on all night! |
| 11:17.42 | kong0 | MOTHERFUCKAZ |
| 11:17.50 | kong0 | FUCK DEBIAN |
| 11:17.54 | teraflop | !ops |
| 11:17.54 | dpkg | Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel. |
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| 11:18.01 | kong0 | !ops FUCK U NIGGERS |
| 11:18.01 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: kong0 complains about: FUCK U NIGGERS |
| 11:18.03 | kong0 | !ops FUCK U NIGGERS |
| 11:18.06 | Krakakanok | xD |
| 11:18.09 | teraflop | !ops kong0 needs therapy! |
| 11:18.10 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: teraflop complains about: kong0 needs therapy! |
| 11:18.12 | kong0 | !ops FUCK U NIGGERS |
| 11:18.12 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: kong0 complains about: FUCK U NIGGERS |
| 11:18.17 | kong0 | !ops FUCK U NIGGERS |
| 11:18.23 | kong0 | !ops FUCK U NIGGERS A |
| 11:18.23 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: kong0 complains about: FUCK U NIGGERS A |
| 11:18.27 | kong0 | !ops FUCK U NIGGERS LEL |
| 11:18.27 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: kong0 complains about: FUCK U NIGGERS LEL |
| 11:18.27 | vegardx | What an interesting sunday evening. |
| 11:18.30 | kong0 | !ops FUCK U NIGGERS LOL |
| 11:18.30 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: kong0 complains about: FUCK U NIGGERS LOL |
| 11:18.32 | kong0 | !ops FUCK U NIGGERS LLOLOL |
| 11:18.36 | kong0 | !ops FUCK U NIGGERS LOLOL |
| 11:18.37 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: kong0 complains about: FUCK U NIGGERS LOLOL |
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| 11:18.40 | kong0 | !ops FUCK U NIGGERS TANANAN |
| 11:18.41 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: kong0 complains about: FUCK U NIGGERS TANANAN |
| 11:18.43 | kong0 | !ops FUCK U NIGGERS TANANANASDFFASD |
| 11:18.43 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: kong0 complains about: FUCK U NIGGERS TANANANASDFFASD |
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| 11:19.09 | vegardx | I like the part of using "nigger" as an insult to statisticlally speaking the whitest of the white. |
| 11:19.13 | Bob_Olsen | I think he had something wrong inside of his brain |
| 11:19.30 | teclo- | hey there's that user dpkg telling obscenities, you should kick him |
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| 11:20.10 | vegardx | Baww, I didn't get to give him this: https://i.imgur.com/q9wU6Sm.jpg |
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| 11:28.18 | teraflop | dutchfish ⸠[12:51] buu, if you need to sync large amounts and many file scp is not good option anyway <- why? |
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| 11:29.04 | buu | teraflop: It has to constantly create new connections for each file |
| 11:29.14 | buu | Its fine for large files but many small files is extremely slow |
| 11:29.14 | jelly | teraflop: multiple reasons; rsync is a saner way |
| 11:29.23 | PTBD | hello. does the command dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration only change the keyboard map for X? |
| 11:29.30 | teraflop | it is, I know but i wanted to know the reasons |
| 11:29.50 | PTBD | I have tryed several times and it never changed to german. Rebooting didn't help to. Running Debian Jessie on a Cubox. |
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| 11:32.19 | teraflop | PTBD: what DE/WM? |
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| 11:32.27 | jelly | teraflop: it doesn't handle symlinks or permissions too safely; it has problems with special shell characters; it doesn't continue from where it left if you run it again |
| 11:32.30 | PTBD | None. Console only. X not running. |
| 11:33.15 | teraflop | jelly: right, yes to all except the resume part, scp/sftp has resume option |
| 11:33.30 | jelly | scp or sftp? They're not the same thing. |
| 11:33.36 | teraflop | jelly: both |
| 11:33.43 | jelly | must be a recent thing |
| 11:33.52 | teraflop | jelly: more or less |
| 11:34.12 | jelly | teraflop: man scp in jessie does not mention "resume" |
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| 11:35.02 | jelly | teraflop: which debian are you using? |
| 11:36.08 | PTBD | Nevermind. I had to do: dpkg-reconfigure console-setup |
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| 11:40.22 | teraflop | jelly: ah true it's sftp (-a) not scp, my apologies |
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| 11:44.38 | littlebit | what is this "tunblerd"? |
| 11:44.53 | littlebit | it is soaking up so much cpu power |
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| 11:45.54 | zinx | rootkit? :P |
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| 11:48.56 | teraflop | I cant find a file named tunblerd in stable |
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| 11:49.59 | bazhang | ,v tumblerd |
| 11:50.00 | judd | No package named 'tumblerd' was found in amd64. |
| 11:50.26 | teraflop | i searched for a file not the package |
| 11:51.08 | zinx | in short: Not a Debian problem. |
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| 11:51.43 | bazhang | ,v tumbler |
| 11:51.44 | judd | Package: tumbler on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.1.25-1+b1; jessie: 0.1.30-1+b1; sid: 0.1.31-2; stretch: 0.1.31-2 |
| 11:51.45 | teraflop | but there is a tumbler package |
| 11:51.51 | bazhang | thats it |
| 11:52.02 | bazhang | tumbler is in that |
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| 11:52.09 | bazhang | +d |
| 11:52.12 | teraflop | perhaps it was a typo |
| 11:52.28 | bazhang | could be the daemon for tumbler |
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| 11:52.29 | zinx | could be |
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| 11:52.40 | phogg | seems likely given the description |
| 11:54.04 | Brigo | ,find tumblerd |
| 11:54.09 | judd | Search for tumblerd in jessie/amd64: tumbler: usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/tumbler-1/tumblerd |
| 11:54.24 | teraflop | the name looks like a thing that do thumnails in the backgound ;) pretty cpu intensive perhaps |
| 11:54.52 | zinx | glad i don't have that installed |
| 11:54.59 | Brigo | D-Bus thumbnailing service |
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| 11:55.10 | Brigo | dbus everywhere |
| 11:55.34 | phogg | Brigo: please no |
| 11:55.42 | phogg | dbus is so horrible |
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| 11:56.07 | teraflop | phogg: then you have a problem ;) |
| 11:56.07 | phogg | I like that we're talking about this but the guy who asked the question quit long ago. |
| 11:56.08 | Brigo | a horrible future :) |
| 11:56.24 | phogg | teraflop: I'd rather say that Linux has a problem. Have you looked at how dbus works? |
| 11:56.34 | zinx | phogg: maybe he reads the channel logs |
| 11:56.44 | teraflop | phogg: no, id say you have a problem |
| 11:56.55 | phogg | teraflop: I really don't follow your logic. |
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| 11:57.07 | teraflop | dbus is ok for me, so I do not have any problem |
| 11:57.24 | phogg | teraflop: I still don't follow |
| 11:57.26 | agenthex | hi, guys. i'm having problems installing from 8.0.0 USB ISO. i use Multiboot to keep multiple bootable ISO files on a single pen drive. so far, xubuntu, windows, and freedos work fine, but debian 8 says it cannot find Release (?) on the CD (presumably because it's USB media). help? |
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| 11:57.37 | teraflop | phogg: well I do not care |
| 11:58.02 | Brigo | agenthex, debians image can be installed in a multiboot cd, afaik. |
| 11:58.06 | phogg | teraflop: I have programs installed that use dbus. I like to be able to have this kind of IPC. I've written programs that use dbus. Yet, dbus is horrible and it's a problem that we're making it ever harder to replace. |
| 11:58.06 | jelly | phogg, teraflop: unless there's a tech support question to be solved by this conversation, please either: move it to #debian-offtopic, or private, or drop it, and keep this channel for tech support. Thanks. |
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| 11:58.30 | phogg | jelly: happy to |
| 11:58.41 | teraflop | jelly: i already stoped |
| 11:59.04 | agenthex | Brigo: yeah, i don't know if something big changed from 7.x. i can't be the only one with this issue. |
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| 11:59.28 | Brigo | agenthex, sorry i meant debians image CANNOT be installed in a multiboot cd :D |
| 11:59.37 | zinx | agenthex: UEFI |
| 11:59.38 | Brigo | agenthex, not 7.0 |
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| 11:59.59 | agenthex | Brigo: i've done it with 7.x no sweat. |
| 12:00.27 | agenthex | zinx: it's a Turion X2. does that even have UEFI? |
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| 12:00.41 | zinx | agenthex: doesn't matter, debian installer does now. |
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| 12:00.55 | agenthex | zinx: so is that why i can't multiboot? |
| 12:00.58 | zinx | agenthex: as far as 'big changes' |
| 12:01.02 | zinx | agenthex: no idea :) |
| 12:01.28 | Brigo | agenthex, sorry have to go, (F1) i will come back later. |
| 12:01.35 | agenthex | zinx: your brainstorming is appreciated. |
| 12:01.42 | agenthex | Brigo: thanks. |
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| 12:02.30 | agenthex | oh well, xubuntu is done installing. time to reboot. see ya'll later. |
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| 12:06.33 | slept | I am looking for a mainboard to build a homeserver with hdmi port and good/perfect working acpi - so far I couldn't find a good database, any suggestions? |
| 12:06.59 | bazhang | try ##hardware |
| 12:07.14 | jelly | perfect working acpi # heh, good luck |
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| 12:08.05 | aphorise | I have a service that starts fine manullay but added to boot load via "update-rc.d ___ defaults" it doesnt load. I dont see any error output or issues in /var/log/messages - & it seems to be loading in the right order |
| 12:08.30 | aphorise | What else / where else can I look for clues to issue? |
| 12:08.36 | dnsk_ | hi |
| 12:08.51 | bazhang | what version of debian on that slept |
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| 12:09.24 | slept | 8 |
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| 12:10.40 | Fjorgynn | 9 |
| 12:10.48 | Fjorgynn | 10 |
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| 12:11.18 | slept | Fjorgynn, that would be +4 years |
| 12:11.34 | Fjorgynn | : |
| 12:11.35 | Fjorgynn | :D |
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| 12:14.11 | aypea[0] | running scratch atm and have an odd case of /run/user/uid being owned by root where uid>=1000. anyone have any ideas of what to look for? this is all a mite too obfuscated. :/ |
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| 12:15.53 | jelly | aypea[0]: stretch? |
| 12:16.11 | jelly | !debian-next |
| 12:16.11 | dpkg | #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net). |
| 12:16.22 | aypea[0] | ah. thanks :) |
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| 12:36.58 | Bushman | hmm... what is the most elegant method of adding keyboard layouts that work system wide? i use xfce and the keyboard settings has a check box that says "Use system defaults" |
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| 12:41.29 | zbychuk | hi |
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| 12:42.07 | bharath_g | Hi, i am using debian testing. How do i reload alsa modules without restarting the system ? |
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| 12:42.29 | zbychuk | i want to install nvidia-driver from nvidia.com and kernel 3.16 from debian was compiled with gcc 4.8. In debian default gcc is 4.9. How do i switch to 4.8? |
| 12:43.38 | harha_ | I'm having some problems with mouse in vmware... Host OS is windows 7, virtual machine OS is debian 8 with MATE desktop which works beautifully. Anyways, mouse in games, no matter what game, if the game uses the mouse, the movement is jittery/glitchy... Is this an issue with Debian or an issue with VMWare? I've installed the correct vmmouse drivers, etc.. Anyone knows a solution? |
| 12:43.49 | harha_ | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/5184285/out-1.ogv <-- There's a short video demonstrating my problem.. |
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| 12:45.10 | bharath_g | gpasswd -a bharath audio |
| 12:48.45 | zbychuk | how to swich gcc from 4.9 to 4.8 ? |
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| 12:49.04 | harha_ | Why would you want to do that? :D |
| 12:49.12 | harha_ | I don't know, just wondering... |
| 12:49.28 | zbychuk | i want to install nvidia-driver from nvidia.com and it is required |
| 12:49.40 | harha_ | http://lektiondestages.blogspot.fi/2013/05/installing-and-switching-gccg-versions.html |
| 12:49.57 | jelly | zbychuk: just install gcc-4.8 and set CC properly |
| 12:50.21 | jelly | zbychuk: is the packaged nvidia-driver not good enough for you? |
| 12:50.49 | bharath_g | debian 7 and earlier allowed reloading alsa modules with the command 'sudo alsa force-reload'. How to do that in current debian testing ? |
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| 12:51.01 | jelly | !tell zbychuk about nvidia dkms |
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| 12:51.48 | zbychuk | jelly: i tried to install it and it didn't work somehow |
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| 12:52.04 | harha_ | I'm not expert, but you could try 'sudo systemctl restart alsa.service' or something similar. bharath_g, not sure if alsa uses systemd |
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| 12:52.58 | bharath_g | @harha_ there is no alsa.service |
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| 12:53.28 | harha_ | well, I'm not sure of it's name and if it even uses systemd |
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| 12:54.16 | harha_ | do systemctl status alsa* |
| 12:54.25 | harha_ | and continue from there... |
| 12:54.26 | harha_ | I guess |
| 12:54.58 | taylanub | can my non-root user have systemd services? I want to start sshfs after the network is done being configured, and want it to restart after it disconnects due to network interruption or e.g. putting my laptop to sleep and waking it up. |
| 12:55.18 | bharath_g | @harha_ there are alsa-store.service and alsa-restore.service but neither reloads alsa kernel modules |
| 12:55.29 | harha_ | hmmh |
| 12:55.51 | harha_ | Well, I can't help you anymore, as I said; I'm no expert. :P |
| 12:56.00 | harha_ | Maybe google helps |
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| 12:57.47 | harha_ | Anyone knows of a solution to my mouse problem? Windows 7 host, running debian 8 with mate desktop using VMWare, mouse acts weird in games or programs that use it for example 3D camera look directions, etc... |
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| 12:59.43 | dvs | !mate |
| 12:59.43 | dpkg | The MATE Desktop Environment is a fork of GNOME 2, available since Debian 8 "Jessie" (and also in wheezy-backports). To install, ask me about <install mate>. https://wiki.debian.org/Mate http://mate-desktop.org/ #mate on chat.freenode.net. |
| 13:00.27 | GPenguin | harha_: not sure about vmware but with virtualbox you need the "guest additions" as driver disk for the guest |
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| 13:00.39 | GPenguin | maybe vmware has something similar |
| 13:01.03 | harha_ | GPenguin; Yeah, I've installed the latest VMWare drivers, everything works beautifully, just the mouse goes crazy in applications that use it... |
| 13:01.18 | harha_ | Not sure if it's a vmware issue or if the same problem would exist on a real machine.. :S |
| 13:01.22 | harha_ | hopefully just vmware |
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| 13:03.13 | GPenguin | harha_: maybe a vmware topic (for their channel) but what about this lucky shot: http://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/microsites/search.do?language=en_US&cmd=displayKC&externalId=5739104 |
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| 13:05.18 | zbychuk | harha_: thanks, it is working now |
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| 13:07.29 | Fr3d3r1c | hello |
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| 13:07.43 | Fr3d3r1c | i have a probleme with my website, i have this error : File not found. |
| 13:08.04 | GPenguin | Fr3d3r1c: which file is not found? |
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| 13:08.33 | cybrNaut | this comes up empty => "apt-file search libQt5Widgets.so.5" |
| 13:08.37 | cybrNaut | what am i doing wrong? |
| 13:08.41 | Fr3d3r1c | http://hastebin.com/qegujenage.sm |
| 13:08.45 | Fr3d3r1c | it's my error log |
| 13:10.54 | GPenguin | Fr3d3r1c: to quote serverfault.com: "The error message âprimary script unknownâ is always related to a wrongly set SCRIPT_FILENAME in the nginx fastcgi_param directive." |
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| 13:11.15 | GPenguin | so you need to change the config of your web server |
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| 13:11.24 | Fr3d3r1c | it does work |
| 13:11.33 | Fr3d3r1c | i have already done it |
| 13:11.44 | Fr3d3r1c | it does not work |
| 13:11.59 | GPenguin | does, does not, which one? :) |
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| 13:12.36 | GPenguin | did you rehash the daemon or better yet restart it? |
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| 13:13.08 | Fr3d3r1c | i have added this and i have retarted my server |
| 13:13.11 | Fr3d3r1c | fastcgi_param SCRIPT_FILENAME /opt/nginx/html$fastcgi_script_name; |
| 13:14.11 | jelly | cybrNaut: forgot to run "apt-file update"? |
| 13:14.19 | Fr3d3r1c | i have set this after by error : http://hastebin.com/ecuzepowiz.scala |
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| 13:14.51 | Fr3d3r1c | before not after sorry |
| 13:15.04 | jelly | cybrNaut: also: /msg judd file libQt5Widgets.so.5 |
| 13:15.56 | GPenguin | Fr3d3r1c: i think there is a specialized #nginx channel |
| 13:16.04 | cybrNaut | jelly: i've never run apt-file update... so that must be my problem |
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| 13:17.06 | jelly | cybrNaut: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 13:17.31 | Fr3d3r1c | ok GPenguin thanks |
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| 13:18.02 | cybrNaut | jelly: thanks |
| 13:18.07 | bharath_g | _harhar: didn't find any option other than manually unloading and loading individual modules with modprobe |
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| 13:24.51 | Fr3d3r1c | nobody answer me on #nginx |
| 13:26.01 | GPenguin | sorry :( |
| 13:26.06 | SynrGy | 10 minutes may not be long enough to wait |
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| 13:27.12 | SynrGy | availability of helpers at any given time on irc varies by size of community, timezones, details you provided in your question, etc. |
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| 13:27.42 | Filystyn | hint to use printer on debian |
| 13:27.47 | Filystyn | what should i start with? |
| 13:28.31 | GPenguin | Filystyn: start with https://wiki.debian.org/SystemPrinting |
| 13:28.37 | SynrGy | Filystyn: start by choosing a printer with native support, i.e. not requiring a vendor provided driver |
| 13:28.58 | Filystyn | btw i have the printer allready |
| 13:29.11 | Filystyn | so i need to install cups? |
| 13:29.11 | SynrGy | ok. hope you did your research up front, then |
| 13:29.37 | SynrGy | yes |
| 13:29.54 | Filystyn | some time ago on oftc people told me about cups |
| 13:29.59 | Filystyn | We do not support this |
| 13:30.06 | Filystyn | what's more installing cups crashed my system |
| 13:30.11 | SynrGy | "We"? |
| 13:30.16 | Filystyn | that's what they said |
| 13:30.22 | Filystyn | we do not support this |
| 13:30.32 | SynrGy | uhh. i think i'm missing some context, then. |
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| 13:30.57 | SynrGy | debian supports anything debian includes. cups is in debian. if you use the debian package of cups, it is supported. |
| 13:31.00 | Filystyn | accualy i will go with this on official debian channel. That was a lazy move since i was allready on freenode |
| 13:31.21 | SynrGy | it doesn't matter whether you ask there or here as to the support status of cups. |
| 13:31.35 | SynrGy | "installing cups crashed my system" is suspect. |
| 13:32.11 | Filystyn | there was some lib problem |
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| 13:33.08 | RoyK | Filystyn: what sort of printer_ |
| 13:33.11 | RoyK | ? |
| 13:33.29 | Filystyn | sp 4100N aficio |
| 13:34.03 | RoyK | should probably work with generic pcl/ps |
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| 13:34.21 | SynrGy | Filystyn: "some lib problem" is not a specific enough problem report for me to say |
| 13:34.29 | Filystyn | it was months ago |
| 13:34.42 | SynrGy | Filystyn: if you obtained a third-party driver from a vendor's website, though, it is true that this is not supported. |
| 13:34.50 | Filystyn | normaly i can use windows to print but i would be happy to cut from windows as possible as i can. |
| 13:35.01 | SynrGy | Filystyn: that's why i started by saying you need to choose a printer that has native support |
| 13:35.13 | Filystyn | i got this printer for free |
| 13:35.20 | SynrGy | how much did the printer cost, and how much is your time worth? |
| 13:35.33 | SynrGy | it's probably worth exactly what you paid for it, then :( |
| 13:35.41 | Filystyn | i said i got it for free... |
| 13:36.17 | SynrGy | yes. typed my question simultaneously with you typing yours. |
| 13:36.57 | Filystyn | well i will dig the cups problem then |
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| 13:38.22 | SynrGy | http://www.openprinting.org/printers |
| 13:38.34 | SynrGy | this is where you would check for support status for your printer |
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| 13:39.10 | SynrGy | yours is a Ricoh, apparently |
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| 13:40.36 | random | hi everybody, i have a question about alsamixer. i'm using debian 8 with xfce4, and originally, i couldn't record with my microphone. i saw that it was muted in xfce4-mixer, but after unmuting it, it works indeed, but i hear my voice in my speakers. does anyone know how to fix it? |
| 13:42.44 | SynrGy | Filystyn: so what I learned by visiting that site is that no, there is no native support. There is only an 'lsb3.2' deb provided at: http://www.openprinting.org/printer/Ricoh/Ricoh-Aficio_SP_4100N |
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| 13:43.26 | SynrGy | Filystyn: so the earlier advice about this is correct. that deb is not supported by #debian. cups, however *is* supported in debian. that's where you gave us a confusing report |
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| 13:49.54 | Filystyn | ok |
| 13:50.05 | Filystyn | thanks for clearing up |
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| 13:52.58 | SynrGy | Filystyn: nevertheless, you can try it. it's just that if something goes wrong, you need to ask whoever provides that driver, not debian, for support |
| 13:53.19 | SynrGy | perhaps they have a support forum |
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| 13:56.16 | SynrGy | Filystyn: that page i gave you a link to above has a link to a forum for that sort of printer. you could ask there if you have issues with it |
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| 14:06.04 | Filystyn | ok thzx |
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| 14:18.10 | ryan8403 | hi, has anyone worked with the new lvmcache feature yet? |
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| 14:26.30 | joujou | Hi guys, I just did a massive purge to my debian 7 but I think I messed up something, as now I can't upgrade or install anything anymore, I got a udev error. Here the complete output: http://pastebin.com/N7sdQm3W |
| 14:26.56 | joujou | The command that messed things up was probably purge desktop-* |
| 14:27.09 | ramsub07 | hi there, I have installed linux mint 17.1, Rebecca. I need to install docker.io on that. Is Rebecca Debian based or Ubuntu based ? |
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| 14:28.28 | joujou | ramsub07: is ubuntu based, you should go on mint channels for problems with that |
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| 14:33.00 | discovered | Installing Skype on linux/debian is safe? |
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| 14:34.46 | MY123 | discovered, only over a proot/chroot |
| 14:35.50 | joujou | discovered: depends what you mean with safe |
| 14:37.44 | discovered | joujou, who knows if skype has some kind of rat against Linux |
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| 14:40.42 | joujou | discovered: everything passing through skype is unsafe, linux or not, and I won't be surprised to find other malware in it |
| 14:40.59 | joujou | Unfortunately I don't have any better option to propose |
| 14:42.55 | buu | Depends on what you're trying to accomplish |
| 14:43.34 | joujou | buu: with skype you mean? |
| 14:43.38 | buu | Yes |
| 14:43.58 | joujou | calling phones all over the world every day and don't spend too much money, basically :D |
| 14:44.18 | buu | heh |
| 14:44.41 | buu | You could try driving an android phone over usb =p |
| 14:45.26 | joujou | I've got it installed in a pendrive, just boot from there when I need it, try to minimaze the impact |
| 14:45.36 | joujou | What do you mean? |
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| 14:47.49 | fellipe | hi ! I've installed debian jessie in my laptop and installed openvpn (client) and put the conf and key files in /etc/openvpn and restarted it: Restarting openvpn (via systemctl): openvpn.service. But the conf files are not used. When I was using ubuntu 14.04, when restarting openvpn service, it ask for username and password at my company. What's wrong? |
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| 14:48.33 | at0m | fellipe: check /etc/default/openvpn |
| 14:49.12 | Qwik | Debian doesnt detect my phone being connected |
| 14:49.29 | Qwik | What do i do |
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| 14:49.35 | fellipe | hi at0m, let me see |
| 14:50.15 | fellipe | at0m: what should I look for at /etc/default/openvpn ? |
| 14:50.33 | joujou | Qwik: lsblk can see it? |
| 14:50.46 | at0m | fellipe: set up a config file there for openvpn to load |
| 14:51.00 | Qwik | Joujou nope not that either |
| 14:51.15 | at0m | Qwik: connected via usb? if it's an android phone, settings > storage > menu 'computer connection' |
| 14:51.17 | joujou | Did you connect from the phone OS? |
| 14:51.49 | fellipe | at0m: I have a conf file, and others wich I get from my company. So, do you mean I need to overwrite the /etc/default/openvpn with my client.conf ? |
| 14:52.06 | Qwik | Toggled mtp on and off still nothing |
| 14:53.13 | fellipe | at0m: I would like to not using this systemctl stuffs.. |
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| 14:53.41 | joujou | Qwik: what does the phone say? Succesfully connected? |
| 14:54.22 | Qwik | Joujou: my phone shows that its connected and is charging. But nothing on the laptop |
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| 14:55.58 | themill | fellipe: You need to read the first few lines of /etc/default/openvpn -- that's not dependent on systemctl or otherwise. |
| 14:56.18 | Qwik | Im downloading some mtp stuff via terminal |
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| 14:59.48 | enoch | hi, i have a web that sometimes goes in timeout and i think it tries to connect to some offline service |
| 15:00.06 | p8m | on jessie, xorg is segfaulting for me: http://pastebin.com/3Ecj8heq. Anyone know what could cause this? |
| 15:00.07 | enoch | how can i log the host that the webapp is trying to reach? |
| 15:01.09 | joujou | enoch: you mean that when you use your browser sometimes it times out? Why do you think it connects to offline services? |
| 15:02.30 | enoch | joujou, becouse it is a strange bug |
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| 15:03.15 | enoch | I'm watching it with tcptracker |
| 15:03.24 | enoch | I'm watching it with tcptrack* |
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| 15:07.09 | harha_ | GPenguin; Sorry for late answer, I went fishing. :D Anyways, that what you suggested for my mouse problem is exactly what I have done. Made little to no difference. :( |
| 15:07.18 | joujou | enoch: mmhm, have you checked what have you got in your cache? If it is offline service must be somewhere on your pc |
| 15:08.05 | enoch | ... |
| 15:08.08 | enoch | I'm on a web server |
| 15:08.36 | joujou | I may repost my question: I broke apt-get probably by removing stuff, here is the output of an upgrade/ install -f: http://pastebin.com/N7sdQm3W |
| 15:09.52 | Qwik | This is getting really annoying |
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| 15:10.07 | Qwik | How to i get mtp support on Debian??? |
| 15:10.16 | Qwik | Its clearly not my phone |
| 15:10.41 | sidhartha | i saw the face of mtp in my dream |
| 15:11.13 | joujou | enoch: I get it, still if it reaches for local files they mush be somewhere |
| 15:11.20 | Qwik | Ive done a million apt-get install "mtp" commands and got nothing |
| 15:11.24 | Qwik | Gmtp |
| 15:11.28 | Qwik | Mtpfs |
| 15:11.32 | Qwik | ETC |
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| 15:12.34 | joujou | Qwik: tried to go on your phone settings/ wireless and net/ usb and then press connect, or it goes automatically on mtp? I had the same problem a while ago, I just did not use mtp |
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| 15:13.34 | Qwik | it. Is. Not. My. Phone's. Fault. |
| 15:13.52 | Qwik | God linux is a pain |
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| 15:14.32 | themill | Qwik: it would be easier for people to help if you were more specific about what you were doing (and less ranty about it) |
| 15:14.57 | schuschu | :D |
| 15:15.28 | Qwik | Themill, dude are you kidding? All im trying to do is plug my phone into the laptop and browse files from my phone. |
| 15:15.49 | saptech | Qwik, do you have gvfs installed or try gvfs-mtp |
| 15:15.57 | ryan8403 | how can i remove a cache pool from a logical volume in LVM? |
| 15:16.36 | themill | Qwik: that's the first time you've actually mentioned 'browse' and that's still not actually very informative. |
| 15:17.14 | themill | Qwik: please do recognise that we can't see your screen and have no way of knowing *what* didn't work when all you say is "it didn't work". |
| 15:17.29 | Qwik | Saptech: command not found & it also cannot be installed. "Unable to locate package..." |
| 15:18.01 | Qwik | Themill, ok enough judging, are you willing to help now? |
| 15:19.14 | Qwik | Surely someone here can connect their device to their pc with a usb cord.. |
| 15:19.23 | themill | Qwik: there's plenty of people here if you actually explain what it is you're doing... |
| 15:19.45 | Qwik | Really, how many times do i have to explain.? |
| 15:19.59 | Qwik | It should be simple. |
| 15:20.06 | themill | *sigh* |
| 15:20.12 | SirLagz | Qwik: what are you trying to do / |
| 15:20.15 | SirLagz | Qwik: ? |
| 15:20.23 | themill | I don't even know which program you're trying to do this with. You've said "browse". |
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| 15:21.01 | at0m | Qwik: so you can mpt copy over command line. but the desktop apps don't see the phone. what desktop what apps? |
| 15:21.08 | at0m | *mtp |
| 15:21.24 | Qwik | Im trying to connect my phone to my laptop VIA usb cable and browse the internal storage of my phone. But mtp is being difficult. |
| 15:21.55 | SirLagz | Qwik: browse for what exactly ? Photos ? Videos ? |
| 15:22.00 | Qwik | SirLagz: Im trying to connect my phone to my laptop VIA usb cable and browse the internal storage of my phone. But mtp is being difficult. |
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| 15:22.19 | Qwik | SirLagz: everything on my device |
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| 15:22.35 | themill | mtp does not work that way |
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| 15:22.41 | Qwik | Yes, it does. |
| 15:22.42 | SirLagz | Qwik: from what I recall, MTP will only let you look at media, e.g. Videos, Photos |
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| 15:23.16 | SirLagz | If I want to transfer things from my phone to my PC, I normally use OwnCloud. |
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| 15:23.42 | Qwik | Really guys? Are you trolling me..? |
| 15:23.54 | Qwik | Use the cloud? |
| 15:24.07 | at0m | that's it. |
| 15:24.10 | SirLagz | Qwik: Maybe you should look at what OwnCloud is first before making assumptions. |
| 15:24.30 | SirLagz | Qwik: also - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_Transfer_Protocol <-- MTP seems to only allow media files to be transferred |
| 15:24.37 | saptech | Graphical User Interface Package=gvfs-backends |
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| 15:25.14 | saptech | https://wiki.debian.org/mtp |
| 15:25.19 | saptech | I gotta run |
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| 15:25.40 | Qwik | When u plug your phone in with a USB cable, what happens? |
| 15:25.42 | at0m | uses KDE Connect. but that's not on gnome. |
| 15:25.48 | at0m | and not usb. |
| 15:25.59 | Qwik | Whatever |
| 15:26.14 | Qwik | Lets not be difficult, you know what im asking. |
| 15:26.15 | SirLagz | Qwik: I don't think I've plugged my phone in with a USB cable to transfer files ever. |
| 15:26.40 | SirLagz | Qwik: I've plugged my phone in only to charge. If I want to transfer files, it's usually easier to either use SSH or use OwnCloud |
| 15:26.57 | Qwik | I am done |
| 15:27.06 | SirLagz | Qwik: Actually I lie, I've plugged it into a windows machine to transfer files |
| 15:27.16 | saptech | Qwik, did you see the link I just posted? |
| 15:27.22 | saptech | have you tried it |
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| 15:27.37 | SirLagz | Qwik: I've used MTP on other devices that wasn't a phone though |
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| 15:28.12 | joujou | Qwik, as I tried to mention before, did you try going to settings/wireless and nets/ USB and connect it from there? That solved my problem with mtp a while ago |
| 15:28.49 | joujou | From your (android?) phone I mean |
| 15:29.22 | Qwik | Yes i did. |
| 15:29.34 | Qwik | Mtp checked, nothing |
| 15:29.42 | Qwik | Mtp unchecked, nothing |
| 15:29.58 | Qwik | Camera PTP checked, nothing |
| 15:30.08 | Qwik | Camera PTP unchecked, nothing |
| 15:30.13 | hyper-googler | figured out the problem I am having is caused by stretch is missing file /usr/share/man/man1/xfce4-terminal.wrapper.1.gz |
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| 15:30.26 | hyper-googler | anyone know where i can get this file |
| 15:30.29 | joujou | Uh, I don't think I had that mtp checked option and stuff, I just had a "connect mass storage" |
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| 15:30.44 | SirLagz | joujou: depends on the phone. Connect Mass Storage was the old style way |
| 15:31.23 | Qwik | Debian is missing mtp support |
| 15:31.28 | SirLagz | joujou: some phones nowadays only have MTP, don't allow the Mass Storage |
| 15:31.38 | SirLagz | Qwik: I'm sure I've used MTP before on Debian for my Asus TF300 Tablet |
| 15:31.39 | Qwik | File transfer via cable works on ubuntu |
| 15:31.55 | joujou | SirLagz: sorry, I should have thought that it was too simple to be still in use =D |
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| 15:32.09 | Qwik | Yea well i quit |
| 15:32.17 | at0m | Qwik: you said you transfer via command line. so it's a desktop app issue. |
| 15:32.31 | Qwik | No i did not say that. |
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| 15:32.47 | Qwik | I said i tried to install mtp via command line |
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| 15:32.55 | Qwik | For example: |
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| 15:33.02 | themill | Oh... a real example! |
| 15:33.06 | at0m | :56 < Qwik> Im downloading some mtp stuff via terminal |
| 15:33.09 | Qwik | Apt-get install mtp-tools |
| 15:33.19 | Qwik | WHICH STILL DID NOT WORK |
| 15:33.28 | themill | dpkg: tell Qwik about doesn't work |
| 15:33.32 | SirLagz | Qwik: what didn't work ? installing mtp-tools ? |
| 15:33.57 | Qwik | Yes sirlagz |
| 15:34.23 | Qwik | Themill sure knows how to be a jackass |
| 15:34.23 | SirLagz | Qwik: so...how did it not work ? Could it not find the package ? |
| 15:34.42 | themill | Qwik: ^^ well look at where your vague statements have lead. |
| 15:35.41 | themill | Qwik: what dpkg said was spot on. Define what "doesn't work" looks like. What did you try? What did you hope would happen? |
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| 15:48.36 | Resilience | hello to everyone gcc-multilib packages are for compiling 32bit in 64bit platforms? or for crosscompiling in other architectures too? |
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| 15:52.55 | hyper-googler | question: Simple solution might actually work for a missing man page package in stretch...what does the man page provide besides a man page (If i rename another man page and give it the name of the missing one) will it do nothing more wrong than install the wrong man page? |
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| 16:15.02 | hyper-googler | just so it helps anyone else. missing man page copy another related man page like another xfce4 man page to the missing man page of xfce4-terminal-wrapper for instance allows update-alternatives to run |
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| 16:16.45 | SynrG | hyper-googler: how did it become missing in the first place? |
| 16:17.35 | SynrG | hyper-googler: so if i understand this correctly, update-alternatives was confused because it expected the man page to exist but it somehow wasn't? i'm lacking a fair bit of context |
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| 16:27.52 | hyper-googler | SynrG yes there is a terminal man page for xfce that doesnt exist in stretch anymore |
| 16:28.31 | SynrG | hyper-googler: what alternative is involved? |
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| 16:30.35 | hyper-googler | when i try to do a an update-alternatives it gives an error hold on i will paste the whole thing for you |
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| 16:35.09 | hyper-googler | sudo update-alternatives --config x-terminal-emulator gives update-alternatives: warning: skip creation of /usr/share/man/man1/x-terminal-emulator.1.gz because associated file /usr/share/man/man1/xfce4-terminal.wrapper.1.gz (of link group x-terminal-emulator) doesn't exist so it doesnt configure it fully the solution was to copy another xfce man page to that name then the command runs |
| 16:35.22 | hyper-googler | thats for SynrG |
| 16:36.30 | hyper-googler | oh by the way SynrG I had asked a related question to our discussion about debian-live and I got disconnected. not sure if you ever answered |
| 16:37.09 | hyper-googler | I put it aside for a while because i have to learn some new packages for a potential new job coming soon...so i never reposted |
| 16:37.15 | hid3 | Hello everyone. My system seems to be logging to <logfilename>.log.1 by default. <logfilename>.log is empty. I have tried restarting the rsyslogd, doing a forced log rotation. However, it still logs to *.log.1 files. What's up here? Anyone know? Please help :( |
| 16:37.20 | SynrG | hyper-googler: i don't remember. |
| 16:37.31 | hyper-googler | no problem i will repost it when time comes |
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| 16:38.04 | hyper-googler | anyways thats the fix for that problem...seems to work...although i am not sure what other provisions man pages provides besides a database of how a command works |
| 16:38.24 | hyper-googler | if it doesnt have any other uses then it shouldnt bite me in the ass in the future |
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| 16:40.15 | SynrG | hyper-googler: well, i can't see that there was ever such a man page even in jessie |
| 16:40.42 | hyper-googler | google search shows it for sid |
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| 16:41.33 | SynrG | ,v xfce4-terminal |
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| 16:41.38 | judd | Package: xfce4-terminal on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.4.5-1; wheezy: 0.4.8-1+b1; jessie: 0.6.3-1+b1; stretch: 0.6.3-1+b2; sid: 0.6.3-1+b2 |
| 16:41.55 | SynrG | i have 0.6.3-1+b1 on a jessie system |
| 16:41.58 | SynrG | the postinst has: |
| 16:42.04 | SynrG | http://paste.debian.net/183018/ |
| 16:42.31 | SynrG | and: |
| 16:42.33 | SynrG | ls: cannot access /usr/share/man/man1/xfce4-terminal.wrapper.1.gz: No such file or directory |
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| 16:42.44 | SynrG | hyper-googler: so this seems to come 'pre-broken' in jessie :p |
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| 16:42.53 | SynrG | nothing to do with stretch |
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| 16:43.51 | hyper-googler | oh i am not sure why it reared its ugly head after trying to install a bunch of packages. but that system might have gone through about a half dozen release upgrades...so when i mirrored installed packages it showed up |
| 16:43.58 | telmac | so I have a pen digitizer on a multi monitor setup |
| 16:44.09 | hyper-googler | when i mirrored it to the other strech box |
| 16:44.16 | hyper-googler | s/strech/stretch |
| 16:44.29 | telmac | the active area of the digitizer basically maps the the entire area coverd by x, with both monitors |
| 16:44.49 | telmac | is there a way to restrict it to only one monitor or only a specific region |
| 16:44.55 | hyper-googler | anyways thanks for now..I will get back to you at a later date about the other question..for now I have to learn whats necessary to get my next contract |
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| 16:44.58 | hyper-googler | thanks |
| 16:45.11 | hyper-googler | bbl |
| 16:48.12 | aphorise | Why doesnt my haproxy start on reboot? - I've added via "update-rc.d haproxy defaults" & seems to be in right LBH orders with no signs of crash - yet doing "service haproxy start" loads it fine. |
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| 16:49.55 | Ruum | Hey guys, where can I find a list of all the packages that are needed for the expert install? |
| 16:50.33 | SynrG | um? question doesn't make sense. |
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| 16:51.01 | Ruum | I want to get ride of packages I dont need (like gui packages) |
| 16:51.10 | SynrG | aphorise: check that 'defaults' actually created S symlinks not just K ones |
| 16:51.16 | Ruum | so I want to make my distro more lean. |
| 16:51.38 | SynrG | so 'expert' is barking up the wrong tree |
| 16:51.49 | SynrG | that's not what it's for |
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| 16:52.05 | SynrG | when it comes time to install packages on your system during the install, simply uncheck everything |
| 16:52.22 | SynrG | then you can install afterwards *exactly* what you want |
| 16:52.31 | aphorise | SynrG it looks ok? http://paste.ee/p/O3sro |
| 16:52.52 | Ruum | what I did was a terminal upgrade synrG, from wheezy to jessie |
| 16:53.21 | Ruum | and I think a bunch of packages were added that I didnt want synrG |
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| 16:53.58 | SynrG | aphorise: do the symlinks that were created actually match that? |
| 16:54.44 | SynrG | Ruum: well, 'expert' has nothing to do with that. so i don't know how to answer your underlying question, whatever that is |
| 16:54.49 | aphorise | SynrG how can I check? - sorry not sure what to look for. |
| 16:55.39 | SynrG | well, like ls -l /etc/rc*/*haproxy |
| 16:56.17 | aphorise | SynrG yeah they all link to ../init.d/haproxy |
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| 16:56.29 | SynrG | that's not what i was asking |
| 16:56.47 | SynrG | hence, my desire to see actual output (use paste.debian.net) |
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| 16:57.24 | aphorise | SynrG http://paste.debian.net/183025/ |
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| 16:57.54 | aphorise | missing a few characters there on the laste entry copy paste mistake. |
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| 17:00.26 | SynrG | aphorise: looks correct anyway, so i don't know |
| 17:00.46 | SynrG | i guess i would check logs for errors |
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| 17:00.57 | SynrG | gotta go, though |
| 17:00.58 | SynrG | later |
| 17:01.02 | aphorise | laters |
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| 17:13.59 | fennesz | Hello! Can someone tell me what APM (Advanced Power Management Settings) on a hard drive is ? I am using Debian 8 |
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| 17:14.34 | buu | Its the devil |
| 17:15.37 | fennesz | ? |
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| 17:19.38 | teraflop | fennesz: man hdparm? -I full info , also grep for `advanced power management` |
| 17:21.46 | Ruum | SynrG: Let me simplify my question - I want to know what packages I can remove to just allow for command line |
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| 17:22.48 | fennesz | teraflop, I have a scnd drive on my laptop that spins only on access . Do you think this would stop this behaviour,i.e. always spin? |
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| 17:23.10 | fennesz | teraflop, I have checked the drive with disk's diagnostics and is ok ! |
| 17:24.16 | fennesz | teraflop, but it spins up only when accessed , where I have a short delay there. Also would like to avoid fast wearing of the drive because of the spin ups / downs |
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| 17:25.48 | teraflop | fennesz: you can disable the apm at all so it stops spinning |
| 17:26.08 | jelly | ...down |
| 17:26.11 | jelly | hopefully. |
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| 17:27.15 | fennesz | teraflop, I would like to avoid the spin down , so I thought I should set it to "Perform better" |
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| 17:27.46 | teraflop | fennesz: it's the `-B 254` thing anyway be careful doing such things and do not paste what I say until you read the docs |
| 17:28.03 | teraflop | fennesz: what I said above |
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| 17:29.25 | teraflop | fennesz: if you want it to be persistent feel free to write an e.g. custom udev rule |
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| 17:30.32 | fennesz | teraflop, Ok I will check the docs first and post back ! Thank you |
| 17:31.12 | teraflop | fennesz: np |
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| 17:32.59 | reactormonk | I have a borked package (configure won't work), how can I skip the configure and make apt-get work again? According to the bug, a WA is to have another package installed. |
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| 17:41.25 | fennesz | teraflop, I did like you said and set APM to 255(disabled) . The disks works now as it should ! Great thanks |
| 17:41.38 | fennesz | teraflop, disk* |
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| 17:42.33 | fennesz | do you guys know if this is on Windows also applicable? |
| 17:42.42 | fennesz | I mean by any chance :) |
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| 17:43.22 | teraflop | fennesz: ;) |
| 17:44.25 | fennesz | teraflop, You have no idea , how long I am searching a solution for this ! I have posted in several forums ( Windows forums) and no one had a clue |
| 17:44.43 | fennesz | well debian , ftw . I need it for windows too though :( |
| 17:44.45 | teraflop | fennesz: oh, about M$ I have no idea |
| 17:45.11 | fennesz | teraflop, yeah , i thought so ! No problem |
| 17:46.15 | Ruum | guys, I want to get rid of all gui packages for debian |
| 17:46.32 | Ruum | NO gui. Just a command line only server. |
| 17:48.18 | at0m | easiest way: skip the desktop option upon install |
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| 17:57.15 | teraflop | Ruum: but you don't need to get rid of anything. Just do not use it. I need graphical stuff on headless servers. That does not mean I have GUI there |
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| 17:58.42 | Ruum | teraflop: problem is, I want to increase the speed of my server. gui's still take up processes. even if you are "idle" |
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| 17:59.18 | valdyn | Ruum: no |
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| 17:59.26 | Ruum | teraflop: they are sleeping threads, yes - but still consuming resources. Its wasted CPU |
| 17:59.35 | valdyn | Ruum: no |
| 17:59.36 | _rgn | hey there, is there a trick to check that if an entry in crontab works? |
| 17:59.50 | valdyn | !remove x |
| 17:59.50 | dpkg | [remove x] "aptitude remove x11-common" will remove X. Use "purge" instead of remove if you also want to remove X's configuration. |
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| 17:59.58 | teraflop | Ruum: hmm I think you do not get my point. |
| 18:00.07 | Ruum | valdyn: that is basic computer science dude. How can you say "no" |
| 18:00.11 | valdyn | Ruum: see what dpkg said, that is sufficient |
| 18:00.23 | yurikoles_ | what's the problem with apt-listbugs? |
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| 18:00.39 | valdyn | Ruum: no its not basic computer science to equate "graphical packages" with "having X running" |
| 18:00.47 | yurikoles_ | I can't dist-upgrade because it's downloading bugs ininitly |
| 18:00.56 | valdyn | Ruum: what dpkg said is sufficient not to have graphical stuff running |
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| 18:02.25 | yurikoles_ | Retrieving bug reports... 0% |
| 18:02.30 | yurikoles_ | and this is all |
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| 18:02.38 | Ruum | valdyn: but its basic computer science to have threads or daemons running (even as a sleeping thread) when they arent being used. It is better to just delete the app, it frees up memory, and cpu |
| 18:02.38 | yurikoles_ | this in testing |
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| 18:02.58 | jelly | yurikoles_: I've seen it hang today as well. Ctrl-C and try, or wait... it will timeout in a few minutes |
| 18:03.06 | valdyn | Ruum: agreed |
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| 18:03.46 | jelly | Ruum: but why do you think the release upgrade brought in any new running services? |
| 18:04.08 | Ruum | valdyn: not to mention, a gui can become apart of the system, so if I can remove something that is taking up system resources, and lighten my distro, then that will make it more efficient. |
| 18:04.31 | jelly | Ruum: do you have logs of your wheezy->jessie release upgrade process? |
| 18:04.35 | valdyn | Ruum: youre not wrong, but its useless to talk from that perspective |
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| 18:05.05 | Ruum | jelly: because when I re-ran the package list, I saw a ALOT more packages installed. Including the gui package manager. |
| 18:05.42 | Ruum | valdyn: well it's not useless when I can manually remove unwanted, and unused software. |
| 18:05.50 | jelly | Ruum: 1) do you have that list 2) even if they were installed, it does not mean they'd be running |
| 18:06.24 | jelly | Ruum: which gui package manager? |
| 18:06.29 | teraflop | Ruum: well I wish you do not get some *graphical* dependencies for your basic computer science to work as intended |
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| 18:06.39 | Ruum | jelly: still, it's taking up disk space. I dont need that. This is a cloud server, so I pay for that. |
| 18:07.35 | jelly | Ruum: that's a rather different resource than CPU time or memory, and usually preallocated |
| 18:07.43 | Ruum | jelly: I can get that list pretty easily :-) |
| 18:08.29 | Ruum | jelly: correct, but its obvious that those 2 are my current main concerns. |
| 18:08.29 | jelly | Ruum: please do. which gui package manager? |
| 18:08.50 | Ruum | hang on, I got to put this into a pastie. |
| 18:09.06 | jelly | sorry dude, your concerns are so vague that I don't see anything obvious in them |
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| 18:11.10 | Ruum | jelly: my concern is this - I ran a simple upgrade command on my box, I think that command did a standard install - which added a bunch of packages that I do not want or need. |
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| 18:11.44 | jelly | Ruum: it would be nice if you could show that upgrade command and its output. |
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| 18:11.56 | Ruum | jelly: needless to say, for the time being, it's pretty important to me to keep my web server as light and as lean as possible. |
| 18:12.29 | jelly | Ruum: if this was a part of a wheezy->jessie release upgrade, did you read the release notes before doing it? They show a way to log the output. |
| 18:13.00 | Ruum | jelly: that was yesterday dude, I dont have that with me anymore. The best I can do is give you a list of packages installed. |
| 18:13.09 | Ruum | but there is a shit ton of them. |
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| 18:14.11 | jelly | it's normal that the release upgrade process pulls in new dependencies. |
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| 18:16.33 | jelly | Ruum: if you didn't log the output, at least you have dpkg and apt logs under /var/log. However I'll ask you to sift though those yourself and find some specific stuff that you think shouldn't have been installed. |
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| 18:17.27 | jelly | Ruum: then you can use "aptitude why packagename" to find out if anything depends on those |
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| 18:31.11 | jj15 | Hey guys, I installed Debian 8 from min. CD. How do I completely remove the PHP installed? Iâve tried to remove using apt-get, but thereâs still a copy /usr/bin/ any way to remove it so I can install the latest? |
| 18:31.45 | jj15 | I also compiled the latest version, but it still had 5.6.7 and not 5.6.9 which is the version I built. |
| 18:31.55 | jj15 | s/had/has |
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| 18:35.50 | jelly | jj15: find out which package brings the /usr/bin/php5 (or whatever) binary using dpkg -S |
| 18:36.12 | jelly | jj15: then remove that package |
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| 18:37.56 | teraflop | Perhaps he needs that package as a dependency |
| 18:38.44 | teraflop | Or she srry |
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| 18:43.23 | grantwu | klys: I'm using whatever comes with GNOME 3 |
| 18:43.50 | grantwu | I went into the "Region and Language" setting under Settings |
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| 18:48.54 | Ruum | jelly: hang on dude, I am having trouble with pasting. |
| 18:50.00 | squisher | does anyone else have issues accessing bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi? |
| 18:50.06 | Lope | I want to set the `noatime` option for my server's / in fstab. Should I make it say `defaults,noatime` ? |
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| 18:51.15 | squisher | Lope, probably. You can check man fstab to see what the defaults entail |
| 18:51.38 | Lope | squisher: yeah I did, thanks. It already says defaults, so just wanna add noatime. |
| 18:52.04 | squisher | yes, "defaults,xtras" is certainly valid |
| 18:52.57 | Lope | thanks |
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| 18:54.31 | jelly | Lope: note that the default "relatime" mount option isn't measurably worse than noatime |
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| 18:55.33 | jelly | Lope: so if you have debian 7 or 8 you're basically there and won't reap any additional reduction in I/O |
| 18:55.47 | otyugh | hey there ; how would you make a copy of a whole website (links of first lvl and all) in one time ? It's a dumb blog plateform that might disapear soon, and I wish I would have an offline backup for memory |
| 18:56.23 | squisher | otyugh, wget can do that (-r and -l1 or something, check the man page) |
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| 19:00.40 | Fjorgynn | I see |
| 19:01.08 | Ruum | jelly: Hey dude, I am going to have to come back to you on this issue. I will talk to you soon. |
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| 19:01.44 | shay_shay | i am having a puzzling build error, i built the package once, and then trying to build it again after changing nothing it fails like this: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6gkqQRx3edyd2dOOV95RWFkSVk/view?usp=sharing |
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| 19:02.18 | valdyn | shay_shay: use a paste site |
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| 19:02.37 | shay_shay | valdyn: its too long paste sites usually wont accept a log that big |
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| 19:02.47 | shay_shay | valdyn: i'll try to find one |
| 19:03.19 | shay_shay | https://gist.github.com/shawnbon206/969caeb04eeadf22d8e5 |
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| 19:05.23 | shay_shay | valdyn: i didnt realize drive was making people download it... lol my bad |
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| 19:06.06 | valdyn | shay_shay: i think you should recreate the source tree |
| 19:06.23 | shay_shay | just with make clean? |
| 19:06.34 | shay_shay | or rm it and start over |
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| 19:06.45 | valdyn | shay_shay: with rm -r and "apt-get -b source gnome-shell" |
| 19:06.47 | shay_shay | make clean i already tried |
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| 19:06.50 | shay_shay | ok |
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| 19:07.00 | valdyn | shay_shay: the command would probably be "debian/rules clean" |
| 19:07.05 | shay_shay | valdyn: i hope i dont have to do that every time :/ |
| 19:07.07 | valdyn | (not make clean) |
| 19:07.46 | shay_shay | oh |
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| 19:08.48 | JyZyXEL | how can i define a mount in fstab that is mountable by a user? |
| 19:09.06 | valdyn | JyZyXEL: with the users option |
| 19:09.22 | jelly | JyZyXEL: add "user" to the mount options, and make the mountpoint owner by that user |
| 19:09.26 | jelly | owned* |
| 19:09.59 | JyZyXEL | ah yes, that works |
| 19:10.01 | jelly | JyZyXEL: man 5 fstab, read about the "fourth field" |
| 19:10.26 | jelly | has no idea what "users" does |
| 19:10.52 | Lope | jelly: I'd rather not occupy my disk and add to it's wear and general IO load with atime rubbish. it's unnecessary. |
| 19:11.06 | valdyn | JyZyXEL: users allows all users, user allows only the mounter to unmount |
| 19:11.24 | jelly | Lope: just saying that's already been taken care of |
| 19:11.40 | JyZyXEL | valdyn: its not documented o.O |
| 19:11.51 | jelly | Lope: unless you're using Debian 6 or earlie, or a custom kernel |
| 19:12.01 | valdyn | JyZyXEL: its in the manpage |
| 19:12.13 | Lope | but unless noatime is specified the filesystem is going to update atime (a useless operation)? |
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| 19:12.14 | valdyn | JyZyXEL: man mount |
| 19:12.16 | JyZyXEL | valdyn: only the option "user" in mine |
| 19:12.24 | JyZyXEL | no "users" in there |
| 19:12.33 | JyZyXEL | ah man mount |
| 19:12.37 | JyZyXEL | i was reading man fstab |
| 19:13.14 | jelly | Lope: no, read about relatime in mount(8) man page |
| 19:13.29 | valdyn | JyZyXEL: or maybe you want owner then |
| 19:13.44 | jelly | Lope: which debian are you using? |
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| 19:14.38 | valdyn | JyZyXEL: theres various takers on those options: mount, whatever reads fstab, systemd, its confusing |
| 19:14.46 | Lope | jelly: relatime still updates atime. |
| 19:15.00 | JyZyXEL | valdyn: yeah i have no idea how systemd ties into all this |
| 19:15.17 | Lope | I mean relatime still updates access times. |
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| 19:15.26 | Lope | which I consider useless. |
| 19:15.27 | valdyn | JyZyXEL: it reads not "nofail" option to determine if it should stop or continue booting |
| 19:15.34 | valdyn | JyZyXEL: it reads *the* "nofail" option to determine if it should stop or continue booting |
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| 19:16.03 | JyZyXEL | valdyn: yeah that was one of the first things i found out about when i upgraded to jessie |
| 19:16.15 | jelly | Lope: only if there's a second timestamp to update at the same time. Instead of "considering" try to measure the difference between relatime and noatime. |
| 19:16.28 | JyZyXEL | valdyn: i had a bunch of fstab lines that i was fully expecting to fail at boot time, and that was not a problem with init |
| 19:16.34 | jelly | Lope: there's hardly any difference |
| 19:16.36 | JyZyXEL | and suddenly it became a big problem after upgrading to jessie |
| 19:16.59 | valdyn | JyZyXEL: yes, thats intended |
| 19:17.17 | JyZyXEL | well i was pretty pissed not to have learned about it BEFORE i rebooted :P |
| 19:17.29 | jelly | Lope: so unless you're on an old debian or custom kernel, you're worrying about a problem that's already been solved |
| 19:17.51 | Lope | jelly: but I don't want access times. |
| 19:18.10 | Lope | why should I spend time wondering much they how they impact performance when I don't want them? |
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| 19:18.25 | JyZyXEL | i've used noatime for a long time on all my systems |
| 19:18.26 | jelly | Lope: access times are irrelevant. They are only a problem when they introduce extra I/O |
| 19:18.39 | jelly | Lope: and that's solved since Debian 7 |
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| 19:20.00 | jelly | Lope: so when you change your fstabl from defaults to defaults,noatime, on Debian 7 or newer, you won't see any difference in I/O |
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| 19:20.39 | jelly | JyZyXEL: and it used to be very useful... until 2.6.30 kernel or so |
| 19:20.41 | Lope | Well firstly I do run custom kernels, like the openvz kernel. |
| 19:20.48 | JyZyXEL | wait, debian defaults to noatime? ;o |
| 19:21.08 | Lope | And secondly how is it gonna update an access time without an IO? |
| 19:21.18 | jelly | JyZyXEL: no, it defaults to relatime |
| 19:21.27 | Lope | even if it updates a few access times at once, it's still an IO. |
| 19:22.04 | JyZyXEL | never understood what relatime was all about |
| 19:22.07 | jelly | Lope: and if it's 1/1000 of io that you'd see with "atime", it's basically imperceptible |
| 19:22.18 | JyZyXEL | either it updates the access times or it doesn't :D |
| 19:22.43 | jelly | Lope: before you try optimizing something, make sure it's worth the trouble |
| 19:22.49 | Lope | i don't want the access times, wow, I'm repeating myself for the 6th time it feels like. |
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| 19:23.12 | Lope | I appreciate what you're saying, but I literally don't want it. |
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| 19:23.41 | jelly | that just tells me you're not interested in measurements and actual optimization |
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| 19:24.00 | Lope | I'm getting dejavu of bad salesmen experiences |
| 19:24.09 | jelly | so use noatime |
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| 19:24.19 | Lope | "But really sir, this product can change your life" |
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| 19:24.26 | qman__ | relatime updates access times only on writes, so it effectively is the same as the modified time |
| 19:24.46 | jelly | "this bug is already fix, you're not optimizing anything" |
| 19:24.55 | qman__ | noatime never updates it |
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| 19:25.38 | jelly | qman__: but apparently people like cargo-cult practices without understanding the underlying issue |
| 19:25.41 | Lope | so are you saying relatime updates files when they're modified. noatime doesn't update files when they're modified? |
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| 19:26.12 | jelly | will not comment further |
| 19:26.15 | Lope | then atime would update the file on every read? |
| 19:26.40 | Lope | so basically with noatime you have a creation time, and that's it. |
| 19:26.56 | JyZyXEL | someone argued that relatime is even worse than atime because it needs to do an additional read |
| 19:27.00 | JyZyXEL | to check the mtime |
| 19:27.12 | qman__ | Correct |
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| 19:28.05 | julius_ | hi |
| 19:28.27 | cimbakahn | Should i upgrade LinuxMint 17 Qiana Xfce 64bit to LinuxMint 17.1 Rebecca 64bit? |
| 19:28.27 | julius_ | someone should kill this article: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Remote and replace it with: http://www.sgvulcan.com/2010/01/06/installing-debian-using-only-ssh/ |
| 19:28.29 | qman__ | There's no reason for relatime to check the time,it already knows it because its writing it |
| 19:28.36 | julius_ | easier |
| 19:28.57 | julius_ | cimbakahn, #debian? |
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| 19:29.26 | jelly | !mint |
| 19:29.27 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
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| 19:29.42 | jelly | cimbakahn: ^^ #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for LinuxMint help |
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| 19:29.51 | Lope | lol so jelly is trying to get me to not optimize by using noatime, and use relatime instead, which is worse than atime. haha |
| 19:30.00 | cimbakahn | I thought since LinuxMint has Debian in it as well as Ubuntu people here would be able to answer my question. |
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| 19:30.18 | Lope | I've just performed this test with noatime, I created a file in the past, then I modified it. and the timestamp got updated. |
| 19:30.20 | ompaul | cimbakahn: we don't know what they do to it - so no idea |
| 19:30.20 | jelly | Lope: I'm telling you to measure things instead of speculating and trusting. |
| 19:30.25 | Lope | So I don't know what you're fussing about. |
| 19:30.40 | Lope | I trust you're going on about nothing, unsolicited. |
| 19:30.40 | cimbakahn | Ok. Thank you! |
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| 19:32.24 | ompaul | Lope: the difference between guessing it, and knowing it |
| 19:32.33 | ompaul | metrics |
| 19:33.11 | Lope | what about the difference between not wanting it, and trying to force it on someone? |
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| 19:34.05 | jelly | noone's forcing you do to anything, Lope |
| 19:34.17 | Lope | when it comes to useless features, the best setting as far as I'm concerned is "off". You're welcome to configure your stuff however you like. |
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| 19:35.30 | buu | Its awfully hard to get access times after you've turned it off. |
| 19:36.38 | Lope | hahaha |
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| 19:38.02 | Lope | have you ever tried measuring how much fuel you save when you leave your car parked at home vs drive it around the block for nothing? well since you haven't measured it you ought to try. Don't just assume it's better to leave your car parked. Go drive around the block for nothing. Surely you've got nothing better to do with the kind of advice you give. When you're done, you can come back and share your real performance measurements. |
| 19:38.17 | Ganymede | Does anyone have a tutorial on how to run apt-get as non-root? I'm looking to create my own sources.list and run "apt-get download" against it. What I know so far is that I'll have to override Etc::File::sourcelist to provide my own sources.list, but not sure how "apt-get update" would work since I'm guess that'd want to write to something under /var/lib/apt that requires root. I'm guessing I can override that too, but would be great if someone |
| 19:38.17 | Ganymede | has already written up instructions. |
| 19:39.25 | jelly | Lope: my measurements say "atime" introduces 10-20% more IO on mail server filesystems, and maybe 5-10% on workstations. There is no measurable difference between relatime and noatime. |
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| 19:41.40 | Lope | jelly: i know, I'll add it to my long to do list of most important things to do, to spend time crafting a test case that covers all the possible things I'll do with my servers and then months later after I've finished that, I'll research the best way to measure the performance impact of relatime. And after that I'll get an accurate measured answer... |
| 19:41.46 | jelly | the mail servers with lots of small files are an extreme; other stuff have maybe 2-5% difference between "atime" and "noatime". Since Debian switched to "relatime" by default there's no real difference |
| 19:41.58 | Lope | Or I'll just say "OH WAIT, it's useless crap, off it goes!" |
| 19:42.05 | magnetophon | Ganymede: not sure if it helps in your usecase, but you can install the nix pkg manager on debian, and non-root can install pkgs then. |
| 19:42.08 | Lope | problem solved. |
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| 19:42.15 | un214 | I've always wondered what the result would be if we maximally lazily flushed them |
| 19:42.16 | un214 | oh well |
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| 19:42.32 | jelly | Lope: you don't know how useless it is at all at present, or whether your tuning is making _any_ difference |
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| 19:42.49 | Ganymede | magnetophon, What do you mean by "install packages"? I'm not looking to "install" them, I just want to fetch the .debs and extract them. |
| 19:43.02 | Lope | *facepalm* |
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| 19:43.27 | magnetophon | Ganymede: ah, right. so not helpful then... :) |
| 19:43.33 | un214 | I've done that. You better have a good reason. |
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| 19:45.24 | Ganymede | Normally, I could just use wget, but then I'd need to know the URL, which would change with every package update, so I was hoping to use apt-get's functionality of being able to download the latest version at any given time. |
| 19:45.34 | brokencycle | Hi folks, what is the minimum disk space required to install Jessie? I only want the very basic |
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| 19:45.46 | brokencycle | things like an SSH server, and not much else. |
| 19:46.08 | jelly | Ganymede: apt-get has a --download-only option. |
| 19:46.23 | jelly | it's in the manual, Ganymede |
| 19:47.17 | brokencycle | The installation docs say I need 350MB, my (virtual) disk has 750MB., and the installer says |
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| 19:47.34 | brokencycle | it can't partition the disk (I want all-in-one + 1x swap). |
| 19:47.35 | Ganymede | jelly, I don't believe that does what I want. That downloads the package into the cache and attempts to open the lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock, which requires root... |
| 19:48.31 | Ganymede | jelly, In order to use that option, I believe I would still have to also override the cache directory. I don't see how it's any better than "apt-get download". |
| 19:49.04 | jelly | Ganymede: oh, I wasn't even aware there was a download command. |
| 19:49.27 | Ganymede | it's in the manual, jelly. |
| 19:49.41 | jelly | :-) |
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| 19:49.53 | Ganymede | =D |
| 19:51.01 | Brigo | Ganymede, try --print-uris |
| 19:51.29 | jelly | still, it works if apt's state is fresh (if root's already set up sources.list and done an update) |
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| 19:52.10 | Ganymede | Yeah, the thing is I don't have root, so the sources.list has to be owned by me and I have to do the update as non-root, writing into some cache directory in my homedir. |
| 19:52.29 | Ganymede | I think Dir::State::Lists is what I want. |
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| 19:52.51 | Ganymede | Brigo, How is --print-uris and different from apt-get download other than not actually performing the download? |
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| 19:53.38 | jelly | Ganymede: tried fakechroot as a quick hack? |
| 19:54.06 | Ganymede | Yeah, true, that's always an option. |
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| 19:54.25 | Brigo | Ganymede, it only prints the uris, so you can download it, you dont need root permissions. |
| 19:54.36 | Ganymede | I can just debootstrap some other repo. |
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| 19:56.10 | HelloShitty | Anyone here? |
| 19:56.40 | Brigo | HelloShitty, there is 1709 nicks just now. |
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| 19:57.43 | HelloShitty | Brigo, and problably only 10% of them are not idling |
| 19:57.58 | HelloShitty | and from those 10% only 5% are willing to anser |
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| 19:58.03 | HelloShitty | answer |
| 19:58.03 | at0m | 8anyone |
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| 19:58.08 | at0m | !anyone |
| 19:58.08 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 19:58.12 | jelly | HelloShitty: just ask your question |
| 19:58.16 | Brigo | HelloShitty, then why did you ask? |
| 19:58.27 | HelloShitty | Just to know! |
| 19:58.29 | Ganymede | Ah, I see what you mean, I can use fakechroot without debootstrap as well. |
| 19:58.44 | HelloShitty | It's useless to me to ask and only get an answer in 4 hours whem I'm not around |
| 19:59.00 | at0m | this isn't the phone hotline |
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| 19:59.19 | HelloShitty | That's the reason I ask if anyone's around |
| 19:59.27 | HelloShitty | If no ones around, I'll wait |
| 19:59.34 | at0m | 20 lines in, what's your question |
| 19:59.46 | HelloShitty | instead of shooting a question and don't get any answer |
| 19:59.59 | HelloShitty | How do I check my wireless card activity? |
| 19:59.59 | teraflop | HelloShitty: that's how the irc works |
| 20:00.29 | HelloShitty | I want to see when is my wireless card trying to connect some device |
| 20:00.29 | at0m | 4 people are around asking to come on topic |
| 20:00.44 | HelloShitty | and when it can't connect, why couldn't it connect |
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| 20:01.00 | Brigo | HelloShitty, check logs. |
| 20:01.19 | HelloShitty | What logs? |
| 20:01.23 | HelloShitty | Where are those logs? |
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| 20:01.29 | jelly | HelloShitty: grep NetworkManager /var/log/daemon.log maybe |
| 20:01.50 | HelloShitty | The problem is that I'm trying to setup a wireless repeater |
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| 20:02.01 | HelloShitty | and I can't make my linux (debian) |
| 20:02.12 | HelloShitty | to connect to this repeater to setu it up |
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| 20:02.18 | jelly | it's not just wireless, and it's not inclusive if you're using /etc/network/interfaces to configure your device |
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| 20:03.22 | jelly | some lower level wireless info might be in /var/log/kern.log instead |
| 20:03.33 | HelloShitty | ok |
| 20:03.42 | HelloShitty | The device is a Tp_link WA850RE |
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| 20:05.36 | HelloShitty | and the instructions says that I have to connect to the TP-Link to set it up |
| 20:05.47 | HelloShitty | but I can't connect to it in the first place |
| 20:06.08 | HelloShitty | and I need to see if I can get any info on why can't the wireless card to connect to the tp-link |
| 20:06.32 | jelly | does it have an ethernet port to connect to it instead? |
| 20:07.01 | jelly | do you see it in the access points list at all? |
| 20:07.44 | triogenes | hey guys i'm running into an issue with any video freezing when i move it across monitors, my dmesg constantly throws this: "firmware: failed to load nouveau/nvc0_fuc084" |
| 20:08.06 | triogenes | i'm really unsure where to go from here, i installed jessie with xfce by default and everything else works fine.. should i be looking for nvidia packages to install? |
| 20:08.14 | HelloShitty | yes jelly |
| 20:08.22 | HelloShitty | It as an ethernet port |
| 20:08.25 | HelloShitty | already tried it |
| 20:08.27 | HelloShitty | too |
| 20:08.38 | HelloShitty | and I already tried it in a Windows machine |
| 20:08.48 | HelloShitty | in this machine I can connect to the tplink |
| 20:08.52 | HelloShitty | set it up |
| 20:08.56 | HelloShitty | but in the very end |
| 20:09.06 | HelloShitty | the setup page says that the internet connection get lost |
| 20:09.30 | HelloShitty | and the setup looks like finished but obviously something went wrong |
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| 20:11.01 | jelly | triogenes: that dmesg issue may be unrelated to the freezing, and may just be realted to video playing instead. http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/VideoAcceleration/ -- read about extract_firmware.py |
| 20:11.59 | jelly | triogenes: try using a different video-out driver instead of vdpau in your video player |
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| 20:13.39 | jelly | HelloShitty: so the wireless connectivitly might be an issue with WA850RE, not linux |
| 20:14.25 | harha_ | I've been trying to solve this mouse problem of mine but nothing helps.. Anyone knows what could cause this weird behaviour for mouse in games that use it, etc...? It just does random movements, when you try to move it. Here's a video demonstrating it, I'm pretty sure it's VMWare's fault... https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/5184285/out.ogv I've tried to ask around from #vmware as well, noone |
| 20:14.25 | harha_ | seems to know... |
| 20:15.01 | harha_ | I'm using debian 8 with MATE desktop btw.. |
| 20:15.35 | jelly | HelloShitty: I don't know enough about those repeater thingies and how they work. Try asking in #linux-wireless or #wireless if noone else comments on it here |
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| 20:19.36 | roberth1990 | what package is killall a part of? |
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| 20:20.47 | petemc | roberth1990: psmisc |
| 20:21.13 | roberth1990 | petemc: thanks |
| 20:21.17 | petemc | np |
| 20:22.06 | petemc | dpkg -S $(which killall) , or use apt-cache search, if you want to check yourself in the future |
| 20:22.06 | dpkg | There is no record of a $(which killall) , or use apt-cache search, if you want to check yourself in the future package |
| 20:23.19 | petemc | not apt-cache, apt-file, sorry |
| 20:23.19 | roberth1990 | ah okay thanks |
| 20:25.15 | harha_ | Solution to my problem I posted here about; Fiddle around with VMWare mouse settings, set it so that the mouse is only used if it's fully in control of the guest os, so that while you use guest os, the host os's mouse can't be controlled. |
| 20:25.48 | Ganymede | I don't presume apt supports SPNEGO/Kerberos proxy authentication? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGet/Howto#How_to_login_a_proxy_user only mentions username/password authentication. |
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| 20:35.14 | Frogging101-chan | It is unknown when Wheezy will be EOL, correct? |
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| 20:43.03 | allorder | Frogging101-chan: https://wiki.debian.org/LTS |
| 20:43.24 | Frogging101-chan | Oh. Huh, I guess Wikipedia is outdated. Thanks |
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| 20:52.31 | schultza | does debian have packages for teamspeak-server and mumble-server ? I cant seem to find them in a sub-distro thats based on debian-testing (the one that is not sid) |
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| 20:53.36 | jelly | ,v mumble-server |
| 20:53.37 | judd | Package: mumble-server on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 1.2.2-6+squeeze1; squeeze: 1.2.2-6+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 1.2.3-349-g315b5f5-2.2~bpo60+1; wheezy-security: 1.2.3-349-g315b5f5-2.2+deb7u1; wheezy: 1.2.3-349-g315b5f5-2.2+deb7u2; sid: 1.2.8-2; stretch: 1.2.8-2; jessie: 1.2.8-2 |
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| 20:54.03 | jelly | schultza: no teamspeak. Is that open-source at all? |
| 20:54.33 | schultza | probably not |
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| 20:54.43 | schultza | er... no its not |
| 20:54.53 | schultza | is it in the non-os channels of debian? |
| 20:54.56 | schultza | per chance? |
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| 20:57.22 | jelly | it's not in non-free |
| 20:57.48 | schultza | ok. thanks. |
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| 21:02.06 | jelly | s/non-free/non-free or contrib/ |
| 21:02.06 | rotcetorptekcop | jelly meant: it's not in non-free or contrib |
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| 21:02.31 | jelly | rotcetorptekcop: ah. Turn that thing off in here please. |
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| 21:05.05 | jelly | eir: ping |
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| 21:06.01 | duelle | Hi there, I have a dedicated server running debian 7.8. Today I had some unusual messages containing "Bluetooth:". I could not find any tools like hci* or blue* being installed. Only the module bluetooth seems to be loaded - whyever ... Does anybody have a hint why this might be the case? |
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| 21:06.21 | DJessie8 | Hello, I just installed Debian 8. I'm totally new for Debian. I would like to have latest kernel. So I think best way to do that is to using Unstable repos. But really don't know how to do it clean. |
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| 21:08.18 | duelle | DJessie8, I would say that this depends on your intended usage. If you want to have a reliable system you better go with stable. |
| 21:08.38 | duelle | or maybe testing. |
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| 21:08.54 | jelly | DJessie8: what do you need the latest kernel for? |
| 21:09.07 | DJessie8 | @duelle, thanks for advice but I really like to have 4+ kernel. |
| 21:09.22 | DJessie8 | It's just feeling that I have latest kernel. |
| 21:09.24 | jelly | there still aren't any kernel backports for Debian 8 but they might appear soonish |
| 21:09.37 | jelly | DJessie8: why? |
| 21:09.38 | Epakai | quit having dumb feelings |
| 21:09.43 | jelly | !SNS |
| 21:09.43 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 21:10.16 | DJessie8 | I had Ubuntu before and I stuck to use old nvidia drivers and kernels... I could not upgrade anymore so I thought I have to change distro. |
| 21:10.42 | DJessie8 | I thought first Arch, but I don't know 100 % how to make it ready without mistakes so I chose Debian. |
| 21:10.52 | jelly | DJessie8: Debian is not the best choice if you want to upgrade to latest stuff without good reason. |
| 21:11.08 | duelle | DJessie8, imho then debian is not the choice for having the newest packages. In that case arch might better fit your needs. They have good wiki documentation for setting up a system. |
| 21:11.27 | jelly | in fact ubuntu has releases more often and more shinier (and buggy) stuff than debian |
| 21:11.32 | DJessie8 | I have GTX 660 and I would like to have latest drivers and kernels for best peroframance and latest software. |
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| 21:12.20 | DJessie8 | So I guess there is no way how to upgade my Kernel to 4.+++ |
| 21:12.33 | DJessie8 | I understand... |
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| 21:12.53 | DJessie8 | Well, at least I like much more Debian Gnome than Ubuntu Unity. |
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| 21:13.07 | jelly | DJessie8: that's a Kelper chip. You don't need latest nvidia driver for it to work properly... |
| 21:13.12 | jelly | Kepler* |
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| 21:13.28 | DJessie8 | ok.. |
| 21:13.36 | jelly | my GT720 works just fine with versions from Debian 8 |
| 21:13.49 | DJessie8 | Well I screw up some of my sources list...where I could get the correct ones? |
| 21:14.01 | jelly | !jessie sources.list |
| 21:14.02 | dpkg | A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list". |
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| 21:15.01 | jelly | DJessie8: remember to put in "main contrib non-free" instead of just "main" since you're already using some non-free components. |
| 21:15.26 | DJessie8 | Alright. |
| 21:16.06 | jelly | newer kernels and driver versions may appear in backports as newer hardware gets released, but you don't have the latest |
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| 21:18.15 | DJessie8 | So in the end it does not so much matter do I have 3.16 kernel or 4.0.1 kernel? |
| 21:18.31 | harha_ | I just wanted to say that I really, really like debian. :D Why did I ever try to go for arch linux, that bleeding edge distro is a nightmare for a casual user. |
| 21:18.34 | DJessie8 | I thought It would be faster and support better hardware. |
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| 21:23.04 | duelle | harha_, depending on the software you want to use, it sometimes requires some package versions that debian does not (yet) provide. So one has to either install newer ones manually or choose another distro. I really like debian, but in some cases it doesn't fit my needs for a desktop environment. |
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| 21:23.53 | harha_ | Oh, well yeah that is true... I haven't faced any problems like that yet though, but I sure will. Anyways, I don't think that's a big problem. :P |
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| 21:24.58 | duelle | No, not a problem - though I like to use a package manager to keep my programs up to date (at least from the security point of view). |
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| 21:27.12 | SuperTramp83 | anyone installed Xfce 4.12 on Jessie stable? |
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| 21:27.42 | Kakelolo | is that possible? |
| 21:28.00 | SuperTramp83 | from unstable |
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| 21:28.36 | SuperTramp83 | I mean - you keep everything stable but the Xfce 4.12 components |
| 21:29.39 | shay_shay | SuperTramp83: wait for it to make it into backprots |
| 21:29.57 | shay_shay | s/backprots/backports |
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| 21:30.28 | jelly | SuperTramp83: mixing and matching stable and versions of software from testing or unstable like that is... not safe or sane in the long run |
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| 21:30.40 | SuperTramp83 | I was asking because I already installed and tested it and it is working freakin' great! |
| 21:30.47 | SuperTramp83 | jelly - I know.. |
| 21:30.56 | SuperTramp83 | but my curiosity was stronger |
| 21:30.58 | c--_ | how do i disable nfsv4 (server) and only allow nfsv3? |
| 21:31.02 | jelly | yeah, but when things break noone will know or want to fix it |
| 21:31.34 | SuperTramp83 | I know.. I have all backed up and the debian 8 Xfce cd ready.. |
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| 21:32.01 | SuperTramp83 | It's runnin' super smooth though (so far, that is) |
| 21:32.25 | jelly | good for you. Still, please don't suggest it to anyone else. |
| 21:32.37 | SuperTramp83 | I wont jelly :) |
| 21:32.43 | SuperTramp83 | you are right! |
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| 21:32.55 | SuperTramp83 | won't |
| 21:34.15 | valdyn | c--_: see /etc/default/nfs-kernel-server |
| 21:34.48 | valdyn | c--_: and your exports of course |
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| 21:35.07 | valdyn | c--_: though, whats the point? |
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| 21:35.37 | duelle | Hi there, I have a dedicated server running debian 7.8. Today I had some unusual log messages containing "Bluetooth:". I could not find any tools like hci* or blue* being installed. I do not understand why the modules rfkill and bluetooth are loaded on a ded server.... Does anybody have a hint why this might be the case? |
| 21:36.07 | valdyn | c--_: err, /etc/default/nfs-common |
| 21:36.10 | c--_ | valdyn, that file contains RPCMOUNTDOPTS="--manage-gids --no-nfs-version 4" |
| 21:36.54 | c--_ | valdyn, i think this part works, because mountd does not appear to listen for version 4 |
| 21:37.19 | valdyn | c--_: so what is the problem? |
| 21:37.21 | c--_ | valdyn, do i need this option in another file too, to disable nfs v4? |
| 21:37.57 | c--_ | according to rpcinfo -p host, nfs is still accepting version 4 |
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| 21:39.51 | valdyn | c--_: what problem are you trying to solve? |
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| 21:41.11 | totesmuhgoats | hey pals |
| 21:41.46 | c--_ | valdyn, i want to disable nfs4 on the server-side |
| 21:41.55 | totesmuhgoats | just out of curiosity, how many people here use testing? what has your experience been like in terms of breakage? |
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| 21:43.40 | marjolein | totesmuhgoats: I use testing - had some problems with graphics software (tried to compile myself to get the latest version) and ran into something like circular dependencies. |
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| 21:44.12 | marjolein | Also sometimes one app could not be upgraded because it had dependencies that hadn't appeared yet. |
| 21:44.52 | marjolein | No biggies - and the graphics software is now available from the repos, so no more complicated suite building :) |
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| 21:45.09 | totesmuhgoats | marjolein: good to know, thanks |
| 21:45.35 | totesmuhgoats | the reason i ask is because i have a home server that needs to be stable, but i also need up to date packages |
| 21:45.53 | marjolein | totesmuhgoats: I guess it all depends on exactly what applications (or class of applications) you're interested in. But on the whole it's still pretty "stable" |
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| 21:46.16 | totesmuhgoats | well i'm also gonna do btrfs, so if things do break i can roll back to a previous snapshot |
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| 21:46.48 | totesmuhgoats | that's what i'm doing at the moment on ubuntu, but ubuntu's upgrade process has left me with a very broken system after a few years |
| 21:46.55 | marjolein | totesmuhgoats: it's a compromise - I wanted "stable" for my laptop and found I could not get programs updated beyond what was pretty old... |
| 21:47.25 | totesmuhgoats | marjolein: do you ever find that you eventually need to reinstall the system? or does the rolling release take care of that? |
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| 21:48.16 | marjolein | it shoudl take care of that but after some 3 years, I think I need to do a clean reinstall. But that's going to be a major headache by itself... |
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| 21:52.45 | squisher | totesmuhgoats, on my desktop I've been running sid for years without reinstall |
| 21:52.53 | squisher | that works pretty well |
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| 21:55.17 | totesmuhgoats | sid is unstable, right? |
| 21:55.21 | Frogging101-chan | yes |
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| 21:55.27 | totesmuhgoats | hmm, that sounds good |
| 21:55.49 | totesmuhgoats | my current system has been running for 5 years, but because of the ubuntu release model i've had to do 3 major upgrades |
| 21:55.55 | totesmuhgoats | it just sort of barely works right now |
| 21:56.16 | totesmuhgoats | which is why i'm looking to move, stable just seems too old though |
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| 21:56.26 | totesmuhgoats | testing seems like a nice compromise |
| 21:57.01 | squisher | yes, I agree |
| 21:57.12 | squisher | if you can live with the slowdown in updates during the release window |
| 21:57.25 | squisher | other than that it's a great compromise |
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| 21:58.01 | squisher | I've really had surprisingly little breakage over the years *thanks debian* |
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| 21:58.19 | FlowRiser | +1, been running sid for a bit over 2 years now |
| 21:58.39 | FlowRiser | it is still as dandy as the first day ^^ |
| 21:58.42 | jelly | I've had 0-2 major breakages a year while running sid or testing |
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| 21:59.38 | jelly | major meaning "libc6 broken or dpkg/apt/perl broken or completely unbootable and not due to kernel or drivers" |
| 22:00.17 | FlowRiser | jelly, do you use apt-listbugs? it is very useful, you can see the known bugs before upgrading |
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| 22:00.45 | jelly | totesmuhgoats: if you have work to do on your computer, have a second one running if the first one is doing an upgrade |
| 22:01.05 | jelly | FlowRiser: yes. If someone's reported them already. |
| 22:01.31 | FlowRiser | yeah xD |
| 22:01.41 | totesmuhgoats | hmm |
| 22:01.50 | totesmuhgoats | perhaps i'll try testing out |
| 22:02.34 | squisher | speaking of bugs, anyone have a clue where to bug ppl about https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi being broken? 504 gateway timeout... |
| 22:03.07 | valdyn | An error occurred. Error was: No bug number |
| 22:03.10 | valdyn | squisher: nope, not here |
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| 22:03.47 | jelly | squisher: you can file a b... oh snap |
| 22:03.51 | squisher | valdyn, you have to try it with a bug, for example: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=777798 |
| 22:03.52 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/777798 in src:bcache-tools (open, patch, sid, stretch, upstream): «bcache-tools: ftbfs with GCC-5»; severity: normal; opened: 2015-02-12; last modified: 2015-04-14. |
| 22:04.04 | totesmuhgoats | sounds like a deeply philosophical issue, where do you report bugs when the bug tracker is broken |
| 22:04.06 | squisher | hmm, judd seems to be doing just fine... |
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| 22:04.07 | valdyn | squisher: works |
| 22:04.17 | squisher | I tried from two locations without success |
| 22:04.23 | jelly | squisher: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=777798 works for me |
| 22:04.31 | valdyn | squisher: so really its some gateway just between you and there |
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| 22:05.15 | squisher | valdyn, nope, the error is from: Apache Server at bugs.debian.org Port 443 |
| 22:05.22 | jelly | squisher: are you in a country with pervasive surveillance and maybe a national firewall, like China or US? |
| 22:05.34 | valdyn | squisher: its slow |
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| 22:05.43 | valdyn | squisher: i might get the error now, lets see |
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| 22:05.55 | squisher | jelly, haha, yes, the latter. Though a 2nd location in the US does seem to work (or it's hit or miss, don't know) |
| 22:06.45 | jelly | well it works from .de or .hr, and bugs.debian.org resolves to 206.12.19.140 |
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| 22:07.07 | valdyn | 140.211.166.26 maybe then |
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| 22:10.00 | DBA_1 | Why don't most users run with SSL when they're on IRC? |
| 22:10.18 | fcp14 | help i need to include at my source.list the deb http://security.debian.org/ Sid/updates main and appears failed to fetch |
| 22:10.33 | vegardx | Because IRC is clear text anyway, DBA_1? |
| 22:10.36 | valdyn | fcp14: thats ok, theres no security support for sid |
| 22:10.36 | jelly | DBA_1: ask the irc client authors |
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| 22:11.06 | valdyn | fcp14: its "sid", but even then, theres no security support for sid |
| 22:11.17 | squisher | yeah seems like one of the ips is b0rked, thanks for the help valdyn & jelly |
| 22:11.27 | fcp14 | and the non-free? |
| 22:11.40 | valdyn | squisher: its loading for minutes now, repeatedly, no error yet, but that slow is still broken |
| 22:11.42 | DBA_1 | IRC was (and is) initially setup as cleartext -- but has become so much more robust than that. Wish people would take advantage of the SSL options more often. |
| 22:11.44 | jelly | squisher: 2607:f8f0:610:4000:6564:a62:ce0c:138c also fails for me |
| 22:11.58 | valdyn | im on ipv6 for that too |
| 22:12.07 | squisher | valdyn, you'll get the 504 eventually, it just takes a while |
| 22:12.42 | squisher | yeah v6 here too... that's probably why I never got a good response (while the other US location is v4 only) |
| 22:12.49 | vegardx | DBA_1: There is no client-to-client encryption, so you might as well treat it as unencrypted. |
| 22:12.51 | jelly | fcp14: no security for anything in sid |
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| 22:13.10 | vegardx | And you have no way of verifying that you and the people you are talking to are using TLS. |
| 22:13.12 | valdyn | https://140.211.166.26/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=777798 works |
| 22:13.23 | valdyn | I suspect its ipv6, squisher ? |
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| 22:14.49 | jelly | vegardx: actually there's a lot of support, but it's ircd implementation-specific |
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| 22:15.15 | vegardx | jelly: But not for client-to-client encryption, so you're still stuck and have to assume that someone is listening. |
| 22:15.33 | jelly | vegardx: noone uses DCC anyway |
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| 22:16.28 | vegardx | Mostly because of NAT. |
| 22:16.38 | jelly | DBA_1, vegardx: this isn't really specific to Debian though. Is there a reason you're asking here |
| 22:17.08 | vegardx | I'm not asking, I was just answering his questiong to why nobody is using TLS ("SSL") |
| 22:17.24 | sharp15 | is there a trick to installing on a efi system? |
| 22:17.41 | valdyn | no one may be a little exaggerated |
| 22:17.57 | valdyn | not like theres much point though |
| 22:18.24 | vegardx | Heck, I'm using it. I should stop saying "nobody"... :p |
| 22:18.46 | shay_shay | sharp15: you have to boot the installer in uefi mode |
| 22:19.00 | shay_shay | sharp15: also the live systems don't have uefi |
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| 22:19.49 | sharp15 | shay_shay: the "live systems" being any of the debian produced install media, correct? |
| 22:20.56 | shay_shay | you want the netinst cd |
| 22:21.19 | shay_shay | ...iso |
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| 22:24.07 | sharp15 | ok. just burn to cd and boot or do i need to do something special here? |
| 22:25.19 | shay_shay | USB drive is preferred. cp Debian.iso /dev/sdX |
| 22:25.32 | shay_shay | or win32diskimager if you are on windows |
| 22:25.46 | sharp15 | shay_shay: do you mean dd not cp? |
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| 22:26.08 | vegardx | He means dd |
| 22:26.39 | shay_shay | no, i mean cp |
| 22:26.40 | Akuw | hi, i can't print to my hp laser printer LaserJet P1005 |
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| 22:27.02 | sharp15 | ok. |
| 22:27.03 | Akuw | i sent job but never print |
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| 22:27.26 | vegardx | Uh, does uefi all of a sudden boot iso? |
| 22:27.34 | shay_shay | sharp15: vegardx: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en |
| 22:27.54 | FlowRiser | the debian iso is chosen |
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| 22:28.03 | FlowRiser | you cannot argue with that |
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| 22:28.44 | vegardx | That was a lot of work instead of just copying the block device onto it in one single command |
| 22:28.56 | shay_shay | vegardx: cp is one command |
| 22:29.02 | shay_shay | and it does copy it to the block device |
| 22:29.48 | vegardx | I've got to try that! |
| 22:30.30 | shay_shay | vegardx: yes, why would you type all those if= of= bs='s if you could use a much simpler syntax of cp |
| 22:30.41 | shay_shay | saves you typing |
| 22:31.18 | vegardx | I'm just curious to what sorecry happens, but I saw now that you cp it to the block device |
| 22:31.25 | jelly | vegardx: http://blog.einval.com/debian/CDs lots of fixes for (U)EFI in jessie images |
| 22:31.40 | shay_shay | vegardx: everything is a file |
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| 22:32.16 | vegardx | jelly: Cool! I've had some issues with a few supermicro motherboards that has that dual bios/uefi-stuff. |
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| 22:32.48 | jelly | yes, whenever there's BIOS support I use it |
| 22:33.34 | jelly | then laugh at the windows admins whose OS detects UEFI and uses it automatically |
| 22:34.05 | vegardx | Had an interesting night with uefi and mdadm array. All fixed itself after booting a live stick, assemble the array and let it recover. For some reason it wouldn't boot, or find a bootable disk. |
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| 22:34.32 | pirithous | UEFI is a joke |
| 22:34.39 | pirithous | stupid, overly complex, useless |
| 22:34.44 | vegardx | I've never ran that issue with bios and mdadm, even with failed disks. |
| 22:34.47 | pirithous | caused more issues than it actually fixed |
| 22:35.12 | vegardx | pirithous: Naturally there will be some bumps in the beginning, but I'm still holding my fingers crossed. |
| 22:35.23 | shay_shay | hugs his coreboot |
| 22:35.45 | pirithous | GPT support could have been added to BIOS.. but no.. |
| 22:36.25 | hiexpo | hmm |
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| 22:37.01 | hiexpo | best to leave bios alone |
| 22:37.56 | hiexpo | pudding |
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| 22:53.07 | teraflop | ^ |
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| 22:55.29 | teraflop | bah UEFI is shit because I do not know a shit about uefi but it's cool just saying that, and the same because of systemd, and sure iproute2 sucks too because i do not know how to setup a route ... |
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| 23:00.32 | sharp15 | how do i tell if i booted in uefi mode? |
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| 23:02.28 | teraflop | sharp15: [ -d /sys/firmware/efi ] && echo "EFI boot on HDD" || echo "Legacy boot on HDD" |
| 23:02.34 | svetlana | when using nm-applet the user is not authorized to connect and disconnect from wifi but the user already is in the 'netdev' group |
| 23:03.30 | svetlana | how may I authorize the user please. I have root on the box. debian wheezy. |
| 23:03.49 | teraflop | svetlana: which DE/WM? |
| 23:03.54 | svetlana | xfce |
| 23:04.21 | svetlana | the user in question has sudo access, too |
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| 23:06.42 | svetlana | please memoserv, bbl |
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| 23:10.06 | teraflop | svetlana: what do you have enabled at system startup sorry I do not know how it is named exactly https://cloud.teraflops.info/f/60a22c8993/ |
| 23:11.18 | ryouma | will zram make my 4gb of memory seem like more? does it slow down normal cpu-intensive things? is it a viable thing to use in jessie? |
| 23:11.42 | bazhang | ,v zram |
| 23:11.44 | judd | No package named 'zram' was found in amd64. |
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| 23:12.32 | ryouma | i'll take that as a mu, mu, no |
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| 23:13.49 | teraflop | https://wiki.debian.org/ZRam |
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| 23:23.03 | sharp15 | is there a way to control how fast the system reacts to key presses when typing in passwords for encrypted root volumes? i was playing with it and every time i try to type in the password it is incorrect and the resulting busybox shell displays multiple copys of characters before i can lift my finger from the key though no problems typing once booted. |
| 23:23.19 | sharp15 | that question is unrelated to my efi question from earlier. |
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