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| 00:00.32 | phix | GTAXL: use POSIX ACLs |
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| 00:01.02 | phix | GTAXL: setfacl -dm u::rwx,g::rwx,g:staff:rwx,o::r-x,m::rwx dirname |
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| 00:01.52 | orlock | Should init be logging init scripts as they start? |
| 00:02.14 | phix | That will set the default permissions to user rwx (Read Write Execute), group rwx, staff group rwx, other users read and execute, mask of rwx (so if the user belong to two groups one with rwx and the other with r-x then the rwx permission will take affect). |
| 00:02.28 | phix | orlock: that's the job of syslog |
| 00:02.35 | GTAXL | wow ok |
| 00:02.40 | GTAXL | but I don't need "staff group" |
| 00:02.47 | phix | GTAXL: that was just an example :) |
| 00:02.54 | phix | modify it to your needs |
| 00:03.13 | ag4ve_ | i'm making a package i'd eventually like to go upstream - it requires perl Digest/SHA1.pm but there's no package that contains it (Digest/SHA.pm works but that's not what's wanted) - i don't want to support an obsolete package - should i package the file from cpan with the package or...? |
| 00:03.17 | phix | the -d flag sets default permissions, get with of -d if you want to change the actual permissions of the folder |
| 00:03.36 | ag4ve_ | (there's no license conflict) |
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| 00:08.14 | orlock | Does debian log the output from init scripts anywhere? |
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| 00:11.08 | jordanm | orlock: for jessie, you can use systemctl status foo.service |
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| 00:11.25 | orlock | yeah not systemd |
| 00:11.30 | orlock | just plain old init scripts |
| 00:11.38 | orlock | and thats not what i need anyway |
| 00:11.48 | jordanm | orlock: init scripts themselves generally do not produce useful output |
| 00:11.49 | orlock | as i can for example, /etc/inid.d/apache2 start |
| 00:11.51 | orlock | and it starts |
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| 00:12.07 | kruug | Is there a way to test if an install is upgradable to Jessie? |
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| 00:12.13 | orlock | but /etc/rc2.d/S18apache2 exists |
| 00:12.17 | orlock | and its not starting on boot |
| 00:12.20 | incal | avconv -i concat:file_1.mp3\|...\|file_n.mp3 -c copy out.mp3 says 'could not find codec parameters'? |
| 00:12.32 | kruug | My VPS is currently running Wheezy, and I'd like to upgrade to Jessie to be able to enjoy security again |
| 00:12.36 | jordanm | orlock: apache logs, /var/log/daemon.log, /var/log/messages |
| 00:12.51 | jordanm | kruug: wheezy still gets security support |
| 00:13.03 | kruug | jordanm: it's not getting current SSL certificates |
| 00:13.13 | kruug | and I can't run ssh-keygen as my normal user |
| 00:13.21 | orlock | not daemon.log |
| 00:13.37 | kruug | so, something's f'd up somewhere |
| 00:13.37 | orlock | not /var/log/messages |
| 00:13.53 | phix | kruug: careful, depending on what virtualisation you are using Jessie may not boot. There is a LXC bug in Jessie that prevents it from working as a guest |
| 00:14.03 | orlock | and the httpd logs wont help, as its not actually starting |
| 00:14.34 | kruug | running `openssl --version` as regular user returns `139929465919144:error:0200100D:system library:fopen:Permission denied:bss_file.c:169:fopen('/usr/lib/ssl/openssl.cnf','rb')` |
| 00:15.35 | orlock | jordanm: funny thing is - nis on one host wont start, apache2 on another host wont start |
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| 00:15.56 | orlock | plus assorted others |
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| 00:17.08 | kruug | phix: is there a way to tell what virtualization is in use from within a guest? |
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| 00:17.24 | phix | kruug: no |
| 00:18.18 | phix | kruug: but there are some hints, most virtualisation apps set the name of the CPU to xen or qemu or virtualbox for example |
| 00:18.34 | phix | but that doesn't exactly tell you they are using that as you can name them what ever you want to |
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| 00:18.57 | kruug | phix: `2.6.32-042stab093.5 |
| 00:19.00 | kruug | ` |
| 00:19.14 | kruug | That's what `uname -r` returns |
| 00:19.25 | phix | kruug: of course that doesn't tell you much if they are using paravirtualisation |
| 00:19.32 | phix | cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 00:19.43 | phix | don't paste it in here ;) |
| 00:19.48 | phix | or lspci |
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| 00:20.29 | kruug | hmmm...I remember there being something that you can put after `|` to put it in your clipboard |
| 00:20.34 | kruug | was it just `clip` ? |
| 00:20.42 | phix | *shrugs* |
| 00:20.52 | phix | you can install pastebin app :) |
| 00:20.58 | phix | and pipe it to that |
| 00:21.48 | kruug | ah... |
| 00:21.53 | kruug | it was `clip < ` |
| 00:23.19 | kruug | phix: https://paste.debian.net/184372/ |
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| 00:24.00 | kruug | ...can't find `lspci` |
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| 00:24.47 | hassoon | pastebinit |
| 00:25.18 | hassoon | xclip -o|pastebinit |
| 00:25.22 | hassoon | or whateva' |
| 00:25.34 | kruug | yeah, with git, I have to keep http.sslVerify set to false, otherwise I can't connect to clone repos |
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| 00:25.44 | kruug | wget needs --no-check-certificate |
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| 00:31.21 | jordanm | kruug: that kernel is openvz/virtuozzo |
| 00:31.35 | jordanm | kruug: it's a container, not a VM |
| 00:31.53 | kruug | so, what does that mean? |
| 00:31.57 | kruug | I'm pretty much sol? |
| 00:32.26 | jordanm | kruug: for a dist-upgrade from wheezy->jessie? I would ask your hosting provider |
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| 00:35.31 | kruug | For $10/year, I should't complain so much, but this VPS provider is quite annoying at times. |
| 00:37.16 | magiz | mkfs.ext2 -L live-rw /dev/sdb1 does this make a partition or a file the size of the partition ? |
| 00:38.02 | illy | neither |
| 00:38.02 | illy | :p |
| 00:38.19 | magiz | ow thats just labling it |
| 00:38.39 | illy | also mkfs doesnt "make" partitions |
| 00:38.47 | magiz | im trying to make my live-usb with dd , but jessie switched inits so i cant get it to work |
| 00:39.27 | illy | copying an older version of ur system from an img |
| 00:39.35 | illy | to a new one, is not advised :P |
| 00:40.10 | illy | u can make partitions via cfdisk / fdisk |
| 00:40.22 | magiz | im trying to make a new one with persistence , but its not accpeting the partition when i boot it |
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| 00:43.23 | magiz | i tried boot=live persistence and it totally ignored the partition with the lable live-rw |
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| 00:55.32 | cash-override | hello, anyone know of a way to change lightdm to black the non-primary screen when locked? |
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| 00:58.48 | wh0isthis | hi. . what is the command to see free space? |
| 00:59.11 | dimonax | df -h |
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| 01:00.37 | wh0isthis | dimonax: what is cmd free stand for? |
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| 01:01.32 | dimonax | wh0isthis: Shows the stats for your swap space. |
| 01:01.49 | dimonax | Is there a version of Pike for Debian Stable? |
| 01:01.52 | LtL | wh0isthis: mmemory |
| 01:02.02 | LtL | err memory |
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| 01:02.25 | dimonax | wh0isthis: Use the df command to check disk space. |
| 01:03.07 | wh0isthis | ty |
| 01:04.04 | dimonax | Alright, what's the command to install a package from Debian squeeze onto wheezy? |
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| 01:04.49 | dimonax | pike7.6 actually. |
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| 01:07.24 | phix | dimonax: apt-get or aptitude |
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| 01:07.57 | phix | dimonax: You will need the squeeze repo in your /etc/apt/sources.list, although I don't recommend you do this, it may stuff up your system |
| 01:08.41 | illy | yes it will, if u are not using squeeze |
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| 01:09.13 | illy | happend to me once by accident, i made a backup of a wheezy, used the mirrorlist on squeeze. took me a while to figure out whats happening |
| 01:09.21 | dimonax | Should I add squeeze backports to my sources list? |
| 01:10.07 | phix | dimonax: depends, is your system squeeze or wheezy? |
| 01:10.15 | phix | if squeeze then yes else no |
| 01:11.05 | dimonax | phix: wheezy backports then? |
| 01:11.15 | phix | dimonax: sure |
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| 01:11.19 | phix | what do you want to install though? |
| 01:11.27 | phix | Not everything is available in backports |
| 01:11.37 | phix | there may be a private / thirdparty repo you could use |
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| 01:13.51 | Bushman | can anyone help me make the terminal bell work? i've changed the MiscBell=TRUE in ~/.config/xfce4/terminal/terminalrc and restarted the terminal emulator but i still don't seem to be able to get bells in terminal |
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| 01:15.10 | Bushman | to be honest in tty1 i don't get the bell either |
| 01:15.59 | dimonax | Seems to be working. |
| 01:16.42 | phix | Bushman: Do you need it?? |
| 01:16.47 | allorder | everyone hate it |
| 01:16.49 | phix | I always try to disable it |
| 01:16.57 | phix | It is a PITA |
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| 01:24.31 | Bushman | phix: yes i do. |
| 01:26.16 | allorder | Bushman: Im not expert, maybe doing the reverse can help https://www.debian-administration.org/article/110/Removing_annoying_console_beeps |
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| 01:27.11 | allorder | change 0 for 1 and off for on, maybe |
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| 01:28.59 | Bushman | allorder: i've been on websites like this and i've checked all those options and my bell should work |
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| 01:29.09 | Bushman | but it doesn't and i don't know why |
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| 01:29.18 | allorder | Ok |
| 01:29.22 | allorder | sorry |
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| 01:35.47 | kruug | Bushman: does your computer make other sounds? Maybe it's an audio issue |
| 01:36.10 | shay_shay | VTs only make beek with internal speaker i think |
| 01:36.16 | shay_shay | some motherboards dont have them |
| 01:36.19 | Bushman | kruug: well, youtube in iceweasel works if that's what you ask |
| 01:38.32 | Bushman | VTs? |
| 01:38.56 | kruug | Virtual Terminal, iirc |
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| 01:39.20 | Bushman | is tty1 a VT? |
| 01:39.34 | Bushman | cause it doesn't make a beep either |
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| 01:42.29 | rubin110 | Is there a way to have isc-dhcp-server not send out a host name whenever it responds to a dhcp request? |
| 01:43.02 | karlpinc | rubin110: I believe so, but you'd have to read the dhcpd.conf man page. |
| 01:43.20 | rubin110 | I've been digging through it but haven't found what I'm looking for. |
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| 01:45.55 | phix | Bushman: ok, you sir are weird :) |
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| 01:47.18 | karlpinc | rubin110: use-host-decl-names |
| 01:48.11 | karlpinc | rubin110: Otherwise, you want to make sure you do not have an "option host-name" statement for the particular host. |
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| 01:49.22 | karlpinc | rubin110: That's my take-away. |
| 01:50.43 | karlpinc | rubin110: I don't recall the host name being required by the rfc so.... |
| 01:51.41 | phix | rubin110: yes you edit the configuration file in /etc/dhcp |
| 01:51.52 | Bushman | phix: ? |
| 01:52.02 | phix | rubin110: /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf |
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| 01:52.39 | Bushman | phix: how am i weird? |
| 01:53.01 | karlpinc | phix: That's for the client, if it wants to ignore the supplied hostname it can do so in dhclient.conf. He's asking about the server. |
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| 01:53.32 | phix | Bushman: For wanting the terminal bell |
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| 01:54.02 | phix | karlpinc: oh sorry I didn't read the question properly |
| 01:54.39 | Bushman | phix: oh for heven's sake! how else am i suppose to get notification over SSH? |
| 01:55.04 | Bushman | i want to have audible bell for terminal applications. how is that weird?! |
| 01:55.19 | rubin110 | phix: My problem is that all the Macs on this network are accepting the host name being handed out by a particular DHCP server, which has an obnoxious script setup to do DDNS with clients asking for IP addresses and reusing old host names for previously IP addresses. |
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| 01:55.49 | Bushman | if facebook can notify me, skype can notify me, even my e-mail client can notify me... |
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| 01:56.11 | Bushman | i want my IRC client be able to do that too. |
| 01:56.18 | karlpinc | Bushman: Calm down. Back away from the keyboard slowly.... He's probably just fun'n. |
| 01:56.21 | rubin110 | So peoples Macs have been setting their hostnames to android-124325gegfr and BobsiPhone8 |
| 01:56.31 | karlpinc | Bushman: :) |
| 01:56.40 | Bushman | and if that's weird, then ok. i'm weird. |
| 01:57.07 | Bushman | karlpinc: har har to him. but it's not funny to me. |
| 01:57.38 | Bushman | i use computers for almost all my life, all the way since the 80's |
| 01:58.06 | dvs | Bushman: There weren't computers in the 80s ;-) |
| 01:58.11 | karlpinc | Bushman: Have you looked at what stty </dev/stdin says? IIRC that's where a bell is frobbed. (I'm not paying attention to your problem, really) |
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| 01:58.22 | Bushman | the bell was there for all these years. is that a sin that i want it in 2015? |
| 01:58.53 | Bushman | dvs: ah, right... i forgot i played tetris on my banjo. -_-' |
| 01:59.54 | Bushman | karlpinc: not sure what to expect from this command |
| 02:00.10 | Bushman | speed 38400 baud; line = 0; |
| 02:00.11 | Bushman | eol = M-^?; eol2 = M-^?; swtch = M-^?; |
| 02:00.11 | Bushman | ixany iutf8 |
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| 02:04.37 | karlpinc | Bushman: I think I'm wrong about that being a way to control the bell. |
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| 02:06.39 | Bushman | does xfce have ANY audible events by default? |
| 02:06.53 | Bushman | or is there such thing as sount themes? |
| 02:07.13 | karlpinc | Bushman: Dunno. I don't really do audio. Do you have sound at all? |
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| 02:08.21 | karlpinc | Bushman: These days everything wants to play all the sounds through speakers. |
| 02:09.13 | karlpinc | !tell Bushman about alsa-checklist |
| 02:09.58 | Bushman | i have sound |
| 02:10.40 | Bushman | i can hear youtube in browser and video player |
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| 02:12.45 | Bushman | karlpinc: i know that these days everything is played through speakers... |
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| 02:13.14 | Bushman | that was the behaviour in gnome's terminal |
| 02:14.07 | Bushman | but since i wanted to run away from gnome3/unity deskto/whatever they call it nowdays... |
| 02:14.12 | karlpinc | Bushman: Well, you can still use gnome's terminal. But you're using the xfce terminal? I'm using that. Lemme look.... |
| 02:14.31 | Bushman | i installed debian with xfce as default dm |
| 02:14.47 | Bushman | yes, i use default xfce apps |
| 02:14.52 | Bushman | (so far) |
| 02:15.36 | Bushman | xfce4-terminal 0.6.3 |
| 02:15.52 | shay_shay | welp |
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| 02:25.43 | phix | Bushman: oh you want it for IRC purposes |
| 02:26.02 | phix | Bushman: That's a bit different |
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| 02:35.14 | Bushman | phix: yes. but not only. |
| 02:36.23 | phix | hmmmmm |
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| 03:03.34 | posterdati300 | anyway grub2 has got a nasty bug |
| 03:03.45 | posterdati300 | it leaved me with an unusable system |
| 03:03.46 | nutron | what's a good small sbc that runs linux with an analog audio out? |
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| 03:35.29 | nutron | didn't think that was released yet |
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| 04:37.06 | Pendrag0n | For years I have been sitting on a library of tools I wrote, 10 to 15 years ago. I am about to start sharing them open source, but I don't want to "re-invent" the wheel. One of the programs that was never finished was called "spellcheck-dir" It's purpose was to run inner active command line, and help parse out text that would be output. A different parser would allow this tool to spellcheck php/python/css/javascript/html and mo |
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| 04:58.03 | zcm | Sorry about the quit/join flood guys, I've been having some horrible connection issues lately. Hoping to get everything sorted out with my ISP soon. |
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| 05:04.17 | darxmurf | hi all |
| 05:04.31 | zcm | hello darxmurf |
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| 05:25.00 | blocky | why would my wifi be obtaining an ipv6 address but not ipv4? |
| 05:25.55 | p0wersploit | some sort of misconfiguration? |
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| 05:26.52 | p0wersploit | unless it's a network you didn't configure and they purposely made it that way :P |
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| 05:34.48 | darxmurf | is it down for you too ? : http://mirror.switch.ch/ftp/mirror/debian/ |
| 05:36.10 | darxmurf | hum it's back |
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| 05:59.12 | LarsN | are there any known issues with Debian 8 Jessie, and the Broadcom BCM5754 |
| 05:59.13 | LarsN | ? |
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| 06:00.21 | LarsN | I get to be online for about 30 seconds, and then I get to be offline for about 30 seconds. Rinse/repeat |
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| 06:00.50 | jelly | LarsN: with or without firmware-tg3 installed, or it doesn't matter? |
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| 06:01.09 | jelly | !bcm5754 |
| 06:01.09 | dpkg | tg3 is a Linux kernel driver supporting Broadcom Tigon3 (aka NetXtreme I) and NetLink Ethernet controllers. Firmware from userspace (Debian Linux 2.6.29 and later kernels) is only required for support of the BCM5701 A0 controller and TCP Segment Offloading (<TSO>) functionality. Tigon3 firmware (tg3.bin, tg3_tso5.bin, tg3_tso.bin) is packaged in firmware-linux-nonfree, ask me about <non-free sources>. See also <firmware images>. |
| 06:01.26 | jelly | er, firmware-linux-nonfree, sorry |
| 06:01.38 | LarsN | jelly: default install, so I'm guessing without? |
| 06:02.27 | LarsN | jelly: firmware-linux-nonfree is already the newest version. |
| 06:02.42 | jelly | ,v firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 06:02.43 | judd | Package: firmware-linux-nonfree on amd64 -- squeeze/non-free: 0.28+squeeze1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1~bpo60+1; wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 0.43~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 0.43; sid/non-free: 0.44; stretch/non-free: 0.44 |
| 06:03.11 | jelly | if the actual version matches the one from jessie/non-free then yes you have it |
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| 06:03.55 | jelly | could be a regression, it sounds like an old chip |
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| 06:15.07 | LarsN | jelly: looks like I've got version 0.43, and according to apt, even after an update that's the newest available to me. |
| 06:15.25 | LarsN | do I need to change repos? is it possible utexas.edu is out of date? |
| 06:15.41 | jelly | that's the correct version for jessie |
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| 06:17.05 | LarsN | so my only solution for now is to drop a NIC in this computer... |
| 06:18.11 | LarsN | bback shortly |
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| 06:25.11 | LarsN | 06:00.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82574L Gigabit Network Connection |
| 06:25.24 | LarsN | hopefully this one has fewer problems |
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| 06:25.42 | LarsN | !82574L |
| 06:25.42 | dpkg | e1000e is a Linux kernel driver supporting Intel PRO/1000 PCI Express Ethernet controllers, introduced at Linux 2.6.24. It does not require firmware from userspace. See also <i217>, <i218>. |
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| 06:34.14 | lgp171188 | Hi, I run Wordpress websites on my Debian Jessie server. Recently I started running the sites under mpm-itk. Once I did that exim is no longer able to deliver emails. |
| 06:34.33 | lgp171188 | I get "unable to set gid=1000 or uid=0 (euid=0): forcing real = effective" error |
| 06:34.39 | lgp171188 | What could be the issue and how to fix it? |
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| 07:24.08 | anddam | i'm experiencing extreme sluggishness in GNUstep apps from jessie repo, namely projectcenter and gorm open and save dialogs are _very_ slow, to the point of reacting to mouse and keyboard interaction after tens of seconds |
| 07:24.19 | anddam | the CPU is almost not used at all |
| 07:24.23 | anddam | can anyone reproduce? |
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| 07:27.05 | ak77 | hello! which configure options to set so the package (then packaged together with checkinstall) will be in line with debian paths... (--prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc --libdir= ?...) |
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| 07:36.07 | rjsalts | how do you do <( ) in dash? |
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| 07:37.33 | rjsalts | like vim <(/path/to/command) |
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| 07:39.26 | anddam | what's <() in bash? |
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| 07:42.36 | darxmurf | anddam: is it not : $(<...) ? |
| 07:42.41 | rjsalts | redirecting the output of a command run in a subshell to stdin |
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| 07:43.02 | wdoekes | rjsalts: dash does not do that. you'd need to create a tempfile or named pipe |
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| 07:44.11 | wdoekes | rjsalts: it's not stdin, it returns a filename to be used as command line argument |
| 07:44.14 | wdoekes | $ echo <(printf hi) |
| 07:44.16 | wdoekes | /dev/fd/63 |
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| 07:45.03 | anddam | darxmurf: idk |
| 07:45.11 | anddam | I was the one asking |
| 07:45.21 | wdoekes | the simplest way to do that in dash is: temp=`mktemp`; printf hi > "$temp"; echo "$temp"; rm "$temp" |
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| 07:51.59 | rjsalts | I ended up with echo '{\"data\":['"$(grep -o "[^-]*$" /etc/cron.d/debmirror | sed -e 's/\.sh/"}/;s/^/{"{:#MIRROR}":"/')"']}' |
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| 07:55.52 | d3lphi | hi all. How can I change the resolution of my console? When my Debian Jessie finished booting I am getting the login prompt (no X). I can login normally and use the system, but I'd like to change the resolution so more text can fit into screen. Actually the characters are too big and a lot of scrolling occurs |
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| 07:58.29 | anddam | d3lphi: are you using grub? |
| 07:59.40 | d3lphi | anddam: yes |
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| 08:00.17 | anddam | check /etc/default/grub |
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| 08:01.11 | anddam | GRUB_GFXMODE and GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=keep |
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| 08:01.41 | anddam | actually now that I look at it it's odd, I didn't configure anything on this system yet I have a quite big console terminal width |
| 08:01.43 | anddam | maybe it's fb |
| 08:02.09 | anddam | d3lphi: is that bare metal? |
| 08:02.30 | anddam | in virtualbox I find it useful to add a vesa mode specific to my laptop screen size |
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| 08:24.32 | d3lphi | anddam: yes, bare-metal |
| 08:25.45 | d3lphi | anddam: I already have GRUB_GFXMODE=1280x1024x16 and GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD=keep in /etc/default/grub and I did run update-grub afterwards. |
| 08:26.16 | anddam | d3lphi: and did you reboot? |
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| 08:26.36 | anddam | also is that a standard VESA mode? |
| 08:26.47 | anddam | it's GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX |
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| 08:29.20 | hid3 | Hello everyone. For bash exists .bash_profile where you define the command prompt output (to display the user logged in, machine name and current path, as well as command aliases and other things). Is there something similar for dash? If I set dash as my default login shell, I get command prompt consisting only of '$' which is ugly and reminds me of old UNIX days... |
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| 08:29.57 | d3lphi | which package does contain "vbeinfo" by the way on Debian Jessie? "apt-file update && apt-file search vbeinfo" doesn't return anything :( |
| 08:30.05 | d3lphi | q vbeinfo |
| 08:30.26 | anddam | d3lphi: check PDO |
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| 08:30.42 | d3lphi | PDO ? |
| 08:30.47 | d3lphi | brb |
| 08:30.59 | Iridos | d3... |
| 08:31.00 | Iridos | tsk! |
| 08:31.05 | Iridos | nearly addressed the wrong guy |
| 08:31.22 | anddam | hid3: old UNIX days sounds playful to me |
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| 08:31.38 | anddam | hid3: IIRC dash isn't supposed to be used as interactive shell |
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| 08:32.03 | hid3 | oh.. Why is it so? |
| 08:32.03 | anddam | or maybe it's just not suggested |
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| 08:32.34 | Iridos | hid3, dash is used as sh, it is used in debian boot process because it loads faster than bash... it is being faster because it is lacking many features of bash. you are not supposed to use that as your real interactive shell |
| 08:32.37 | anddam | still IIRC because it's meant to be tiny and is less feature-rich than, say, bash |
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| 08:33.00 | d3lphi | anddam: GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=keep did the trick. I had it wrong (I missed the_LINUX suffix), so it didn't work. Thanks for that hint |
| 08:33.02 | anddam | hid3: you can ofc use it since it's a shell but you have to be aware of that |
| 08:33.18 | hid3 | well, being tiny it's lighweight on resources. I have a box of ~480 megs of RAM so I need to save some resources |
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| 08:34.50 | Iridos | hid3, I don't think that the shell is a major drain on your computers ram... not compared to browsers or other graphical programs |
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| 08:35.00 | Iridos | hid3, maybe if you open several hundred... |
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| 08:35.35 | hid3 | well, I have no graphical interface. And bash uses 0.6 % of ram while dash only 0.1 |
| 08:35.52 | hid3 | nothing dramatical but still, I thought I was worth a try if it would be a simple solution |
| 08:36.26 | Iridos | and you think that a difference in the tenth-of-percent range is going to make a difference? |
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| 08:37.05 | hid3 | if 3-4 users are logged in, then it's like 2% versus 0.4% |
| 08:37.22 | Iridos | shared memory? |
| 08:37.38 | hid3 | not sure about that |
| 08:37.55 | l3archos | when I startx with user "foo" I get a blank screen, it doesn't work. When I "startx" under root account, it works and I get the desktop. Is there any directory I can delete in /home/foo/ that will reset any configuration related to gnome/X/xorg etc... ? |
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| 08:38.19 | hid3 | OK. I have to admit that I don't know any more effective ways on how to save memory on low memory machine... |
| 08:38.41 | Iridos | l3archos, there's a file configuring if normal users are allowed to start X or not |
| 08:38.50 | l3archos | Iridos: which one ? |
| 08:39.05 | l3archos | I upgraded to Jessie and cannot use X anymore |
| 08:39.10 | Iridos | dpkg, startx user |
| 08:39.10 | dpkg | By default, only root is permitted to run "startx". To permit other users to run this command, run «dpkg-reconfigure x11-common» -- you can permit anyone logged in on console to be able to run startx at this stage. Alternatively, use a display manager to handle login and X setup; ask me about <dm>. |
| 08:39.39 | Iridos | l3archos, if I had remembered, I'd have included the information in my first sentence... was looking for the factoid... ^^^ |
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| 08:40.19 | l3archos | dpkg: <dm> |
| 08:40.19 | dpkg | wish i knew, l3archos |
| 08:40.23 | l3archos | dpkg: dm |
| 08:40.24 | dpkg | DM means Display Manager, the app that brings up a graphical login screen and starts your login session. <xdm>, <gdm>, <kdm>, <wdm>, pdm, login.app, <slim> and <lightdm> are all examples of display managers. Ask me about <nodm> if you want to disable the DM. Or Debian Maintainer: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMaintainer . For the deb-multimedia repository, ask me about <dmm>. |
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| 08:40.39 | l3archos | dpkg: gdm |
| 08:40.40 | dpkg | <GNOME> Display Manager (GDM) is a <display manager> based on <xdm>, but with no original xdm code. Written with looks (and security) in mind. It uses ~/.gnomerc instead of ~/.xsession. http://wiki.debian.org/GDM http://projects.gnome.org/gdm #gdm on irc.gimp.org. Not to be confused with the General Purpose Mouse (GPM) interface, see <gpm>. |
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| 08:41.42 | Iridos | l3archos, you can /msg dpkg dm |
| 08:42.35 | l3archos | Iridos: I don't think x11-common was the problem. The setting already was at "console users logged in" are allowed to "startx". the issue is that I get a blank screen for user "foo", while for "root" it works. And I removed gdm3 to troubleshoot, because gdm3 didn't work after the upgrade. No login sreen, nothing, just black screen. I am trying to figure out what's going on |
| 08:43.01 | anddam | hid3: I use a 128MB VPS for certain tasks and I don't really care about that |
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| 08:43.15 | anddam | hid3: the IRC client is way more hungry |
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| 08:45.01 | sleenk | anddam: have you mentioned swap? |
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| 08:45.50 | hetOrakel | exit |
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| 08:46.39 | hid3 | the IRC client does not run on that machine :) |
| 08:48.05 | chele | Just check out Xorg.0.log |
| 08:48.55 | anddam | sleenk: I haven't |
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| 08:49.02 | anddam | sleenk: why? |
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| 08:53.08 | sleenk | anddam: just ignore me. i wasn't really paying attention to the conversation |
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| 09:05.08 | ueber | hi there |
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| 09:05.37 | px1mp | hello, would sbd advice a newbie how to make a package ? |
| 09:05.41 | ueber | I'm not able to ssh to my server from the outside |
| 09:06.19 | ueber | it's a vps on which I was successfully able to ssh before today.. |
| 09:06.32 | moetunes | ueber: maybe port 22 isn't being forwarded from the router |
| 09:06.41 | moetunes | ok then |
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| 09:06.46 | ueber | moetunes: but it worked before today |
| 09:06.47 | px1mp | I have some scripts + initscripts, that I would like to distribute to new machines on VPS and .deb package seems like a reasonable way |
| 09:07.25 | moetunes | ueber: you sure the ssh server is running? |
| 09:07.31 | px1mp | I've found a script here, that packages single shell script into a deb package here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/27715/create-a-deb-package-from-scripts-or-binaries |
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| 09:07.59 | px1mp | If I have a whole directory structure, where do I place it ? |
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| 09:08.11 | ueber | moetunes: yes, it's running, and I can connect with "ssh localhost" |
| 09:08.30 | ueber | the problem is from the outdide, today |
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| 09:09.21 | echo083 | hello, when i upgrade package how is renamed the old configuration ? what is the rename rule if i use the provided file or i keep the current file ? |
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| 09:10.04 | l3archos | I have absolutely no symlinks under /etc/apache2/sites-enabled, that means I have not activated any webpage and I restarted apache2. But I can access http://my.web.server and get the default Debian webpage which was read from /var/www/html/index.html How is that possible, where does this default vHost come from ? |
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| 09:10.53 | ueber | OpenSSH_6.7-p1 Debian-5 |
| 09:11.13 | moetunes | ueber: that's all I can think of |
| 09:11.42 | fireba11 | l3archos: checked /etc/apache2/conf.d ? |
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| 09:12.09 | jelly | echo083: _if_ you've customized a config file, and _if_ you choose to use the new maintainer's version, the old one is called .dpkg-old |
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| 09:12.24 | ueber | how could I check if the port is open from the outside ? |
| 09:12.47 | echo083 | jelly, thanks i just found the full answer :p *.dpkg-tmp, *.dpkg-old, *.dpkg-new thanks anyway |
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| 09:14.21 | l3archos | fireba11: /etc/apache2/conf.d/ is empty, too |
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| 09:16.01 | ueber | please help |
| 09:16.07 | fireba11 | l3archos: if is's not a fresh install there could be stuff in places it's not supposed to be like directly in the main apache2 config file |
| 09:16.22 | ueber | I'm not able to ssh to my server from the outside |
| 09:16.43 | fireba11 | ueber: ssh is running? firewall blocking the port? |
| 09:17.08 | ueber | fireba11: ssh is running, I can connect from localhost |
| 09:17.10 | l3archos | fireba11: I also checked the content of /etc/apache2/conf-enabled ... there's nothing that points to the mentioned issue. Let me check apache2.conf and ports.conf |
| 09:17.29 | ueber | fireba11: how could I check if firewall is now blocking that port ? |
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| 09:17.45 | fireba11 | l3archos: also you might want to try stopping apache and check if there really is no more apache process running and then start again |
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| 09:18.19 | l3archos | fireba11: already checked that, only that single apache2 process is up and running, no interference by other processes or services |
| 09:18.23 | fireba11 | ueber: check the rule set of the filewall you are using ... |
| 09:18.43 | ueber | fireba11: I did not setup any firewall |
| 09:18.54 | ueber | fireba11: should I check iptables ? |
| 09:19.03 | fireba11 | ueber: that's one possibility |
| 09:19.32 | fireba11 | l3archos: a single procesS? apache2 with default config spawns at least 5 children ... |
| 09:19.51 | l3archos | fireba11: I did mean, only apache2 is running, no other webservers, sorry, misexpressed |
| 09:20.00 | ueber | fireba11: I checked now, and it's open to all |
| 09:20.17 | fireba11 | l3archos: wasn't talking about other webservers, was thinking your apache might be stuck and a restart might not be actually restarting it |
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| 09:20.29 | l3archos | I understand, just checked, it's not the case |
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| 09:21.25 | ueber | fireba11: should I try to stop iptables ? |
| 09:23.45 | ueber | fireba11: iptables is not running |
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| 09:24.15 | fireba11 | ueber: it's not a service you could see as a process |
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| 09:25.53 | ueber | fireba11: no process with ip word |
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| 09:27.03 | fireba11 | ueber: iptables is just a way to set configure the kernel firewall |
| 09:27.24 | ueber | I'm running Debian 8 |
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| 09:28.55 | fireba11 | l3archos: did you set up that apache2 or is it an old setup? someone might ahve put settings where they should not be so you're missing it |
| 09:28.56 | ueber | fireba11: how to check if SSH is listening for remote too ? |
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| 09:29.21 | fireba11 | ueber: you can check with netstat |
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| 09:29.39 | fireba11 | that will NOT show if a firewall is blocking it |
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| 09:32.32 | l3archos | fireba11: i had apache2 in use when I was on Wheezy, after I upgraded to Jessie, there were a lot of changes in the newer apache2 versions. I am still looking for apache2, why it is USING the default dir /var/www although I do NOT have enabled any vhost under /etc/apache2/sites-enabled. That's really annoying and confusing. I did see in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf that there are <Directory>-blocks pointing to /var/www and /usr/share and I also did |
| 09:32.32 | l3archos | read about in /usr/share/doc/apache2/NEWS.Debian.gz. But I don't want to understand, why this site is LOADED although the user doesn't explicitly enabled it and configured to use such a default site. Before we had the "default" or "default-site", that seems not to take effect any more. |
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| 09:34.51 | ueber | fireba11: tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:22 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN |
| 09:35.01 | l3archos | NEWS.Debian.gz is saying that the default site hs been renamed to 000-default to avoid naming confusions. But that doesn't answer my question, WHY IS IT ENABLED ? |
| 09:35.07 | fireba11 | l3archos: you probably have a apache2.conf-dpkg or something since it seems like it had been modified. you could get it to reinstall with default config if that helps? |
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| 09:35.25 | ueber | fireba11: tcp6 0 0 :::22 :::* LISTEN |
| 09:35.46 | fireba11 | ueber: sounds good. got anything between the server and the box you run the test from? |
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| 09:36.04 | petn-randall | l3archos: Because the number one support question would otherwise be "why doesn't my web server work". |
| 09:36.13 | l3archos | fireba11: it's more a theoretical thing, I don't like the way Debian8 is handling Apache2 here. The user would disable any vHost, and Apache2 without users knowledge still are able to serve content lying under the default dirs /var/www/html and /usr/share |
| 09:36.15 | ueber | fireba11: I can ping it from the outside |
| 09:36.38 | fireba11 | ueber: yes, but port 22 might be blocked anyway |
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| 09:36.48 | l3archos | petn-randall: sure, but the user should be able to decide if and what vHost he wants to run |
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| 09:37.22 | petn-randall | l3archos: On upgrade it will have asked you if you want to overwrite or keep the current config. |
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| 09:37.51 | l3archos | petn-randall: I have both configuration files available which I can review, merge, or adjust to my needs. But that's not the issue |
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| 09:38.28 | petn-randall | l3archos: Then I don't understand the problem you're having. |
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| 09:41.06 | _raven_ | hi |
| 09:41.35 | l3archos | however, thanks |
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| 09:42.12 | l3archos | petn-randall: listen: |
| 09:42.52 | ueber | please help! I cannot SSH to my server |
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| 09:43.17 | ueber | SSH is listening on port 22, and iptables is not running |
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| 09:43.26 | l3archos | petn-randall: sorry, wrong window |
| 09:43.29 | l3archos | :) |
| 09:43.35 | _raven_ | i am using btrfs on a 6 disk lv array (no raid!). burst transactions (rsync for example) periodically stuck some seconds while the actual disk is working all the time. what is btrfs doing there? iotop and top do not give any hints |
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| 09:43.42 | l3archos | ueber: "telnet yourhost 22" and see what you get |
| 09:43.57 | ueber | l3archos: from remote ? |
| 09:44.14 | l3archos | I don't know where you want to connect from, I'd guess so, yyes |
| 09:44.42 | ueber | Trying myip.... |
| 09:45.17 | l3archos | and can you "ssh localhost" on the server side ? |
| 09:45.24 | l3archos | or "telnet localhost 22" on server side ? |
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| 09:46.03 | Fr3d3r1c | hello |
| 09:46.14 | petn-randall | _raven_: Are you using mdraid RAID 6 and on top of that btrfs? |
| 09:46.19 | Fr3d3r1c | how to start a shell located in root please ? |
| 09:46.30 | _raven_ | petn-randall: no raid at all |
| 09:46.31 | Fr3d3r1c | like that -> sh /myshell ? |
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| 09:47.10 | babilen | Fr3d3r1c: There are various ways. You can open a shell and run "su" and enter your root password. If you have sudo installed and configured you can also run "sudo -i" to become root. |
| 09:47.16 | petn-randall | _raven_: Oh wait, yeah. So all 6 disks are PV volumes, you've got an LV spanning all 6 disks, and on top of that is btrfs? |
| 09:47.17 | babilen | dpkg: tell Fr3d3r1c -about sudoers |
| 09:47.28 | _raven_ | petn-randall: right |
| 09:47.32 | l3archos | Fr3d3r1c: sudo sh ? |
| 09:47.51 | l3archos | or when in X, try gksudo |
| 09:47.54 | petn-randall | _raven_: Do you have some type of LVM striping over those disks? |
| 09:47.55 | aypea[0] | this is driving me ever so lovingly insane. sudo keeps asking for a password. sudo -ll indicates !authenticate for the command, too. help? what can I check here? :( |
| 09:48.00 | babilen | Fr3d3r1c: If you specifically want to execute a specific shell you can run "sudo /bin/bash" (or "sudo /bin/zsh" if you want that) |
| 09:48.48 | petn-randall | aypea[0]: That's the default configuration. Did you change the config, and if yes, what behaviour do you expect? |
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| 09:48.52 | _raven_ | petn-randall: just transparent lv. due to that i can see, which disk is actually working on |
| 09:48.52 | Fr3d3r1c | ok thanks |
| 09:49.01 | ueber | l3archos: yes I can ssh localhost |
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| 09:49.17 | aypea[0] | petn-randall: expecting NOPASSWD: for the command to work. |
| 09:49.47 | ueber | l3archos: telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection timed out |
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| 09:53.03 | petn-randall | ueber: Can you ping that machine from remote? |
| 09:53.13 | ueber | petn-randall: yes |
| 09:53.15 | aypea[0] | petn-randall: sorry. re-read. not changed the default. just added buts for User/Cmd aliases and am expecting NOPASSWD: for the command to work. |
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| 09:54.45 | petn-randall | ueber: Can you show me the output of 'netstat -npl | grep :22', and the output of 'iptables -L -vn && iptables -t nat -L -vn'? → http://paste.debian.net |
| 09:55.02 | ueber | sure |
| 09:55.29 | petn-randall | aypea[0]: Can you show me the actual changes you made? What editor did you use to edit /etc/sudoers? → http://paste.debian.net |
| 09:55.55 | petn-randall | _raven_: Could it be that the disks are spinning down, and they have to start first? |
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| 09:57.35 | _raven_ | petn-randall: no its in use all the time. a suggestion was its the sequencial io but i am not sure. around 90MB/s should be possible and not causing ~10 second pause |
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| 09:58.14 | aypea[0] | petn-randall: visudo and one sec |
| 09:58.29 | petn-randall | aypea[0]: good for using visudo :) |
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| 09:58.39 | aypea[0] | petn-randall: learnt that one ages back :) |
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| 10:00.56 | dbushenko | hi all! |
| 10:01.14 | aypea[0] | petn-randall: http://paste.debian.net/184496/ |
| 10:01.35 | dbushenko | will debian switch to wayland or mir? |
| 10:02.01 | petn-randall | _raven_: btrfs does a fair bit of random I/O. Btw, are you reading from or writing to the btrfs? If you run 'atop', do you see the one disk running at 100% I/O? What are the MB/s on that disk? |
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| 10:05.26 | _raven_ | petn-randall: oh didnt knew this tool before ;) |
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| 10:05.56 | _raven_ | petn-randall: yes i have 100% on the drive, sometimes 103 and up to ~800 (mbit??) write |
| 10:06.02 | ueber | petn-randall: here is http://paste.debian.net/184497/ |
| 10:06.03 | _raven_ | its just write operation |
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| 10:07.54 | ueber | petn-randall: any idea? |
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| 10:10.09 | petn-randall | _raven_: I see. And you're wondering why rsync is running for 10 secs before it does anything, right? |
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| 10:11.32 | _raven_ | petn-randall: no its running for around 30 seconds at full speed and then takes a think break |
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| 10:11.54 | petn-randall | ueber: You have a typo in the 'iptables -t nat -L -vn'. |
| 10:12.06 | _raven_ | btw: atop becomes blue at this time |
| 10:13.40 | petn-randall | _raven_: So there's a time where you have zero I/O? |
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| 10:14.34 | _raven_ | petn-randall: difficult to see. sometimes yes, sometimes it stays at 100% |
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| 10:15.14 | petn-randall | _raven_: I'd say that's rather normal behaviour then. rsync indexes all the data on both sides before it starts syncing data from A to B. |
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| 10:15.55 | _raven_ | petn-randall: i know but im not sure if there is any not-well-configured option of btrfs what causes this |
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| 10:16.19 | sw | Hi. I upgraded to Debian 8 but now I can't connect to server by SFTP. Would the upgrade have changed something? |
| 10:16.24 | fireba11 | also depending on the parameters used it calculates checksums of files |
| 10:16.49 | kalpu | Hi, when I plug in a usb-stick, it doesn't get automounted. I have debian jessie with my custom 4.1rc kernel, my user is in group plugdev. How to fix automount? Which program does this automount stuff? |
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| 10:17.10 | ElDiabolo | sw: Do you connect as root? |
| 10:17.16 | petn-randall | _raven_: I'm not seeing any abnormal behaviour here. btrfs will always perform a little worse on raw I/O stats, but therefore has features other FS don't have. |
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| 10:18.10 | _raven_ | petn-randall: ok so its ok :) |
| 10:18.12 | sw | ElDiabolo: Yeah. |
| 10:18.12 | _raven_ | tnx |
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| 10:18.19 | sw | ElDiabolo: SSH as root works fine still. |
| 10:18.24 | petn-randall | _raven_: What is the exact rsync line you're using, and how many data is there (number of files, total GB)? |
| 10:19.15 | ElDiabolo | sw, AFAIK the sshd default configuration does not allow a root connection with password authentication any more. |
| 10:19.27 | kimico | bom dia pessoal |
| 10:19.40 | ElDiabolo | sw, But it seems that is not the cause :) |
| 10:19.47 | sw | ElDiabolo: I chose to 'allow' it doing the upgrade (SSH as root works fine still). |
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| 10:19.57 | sw | shrugs :/ |
| 10:20.13 | fireba11 | sw: maybe sftp also did this change but did not ask? |
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| 10:20.23 | ueber | petn-randall: ? |
| 10:21.22 | ElDiabolo | fireba11, sw, Isn't sftp just an ssh tunneled ftp? |
| 10:21.22 | petn-randall | aypea[0]: Sorry, I'm not too experienced with sudoers, I find the syntax overly complicated. But do you know if expansion work like that with Cmnd_Alias? If you put a single command there without wildcards, does it work? You might also need to put the full path of the command on the sudo command line. |
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| 10:21.59 | kalpu | Hi, when I plug in a usb-stick, it doesn't get automounted. I have debian jessie with my custom 4.1rc kernel, my user is in group plugdev. How to fix automount? Which program does this automount stuff? |
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| 10:23.09 | ElDiabolo | sw Maybe auth.log has something interesting. |
| 10:23.11 | sw | ElDiabolo: This is all that /var/log/auth.log has: May 27 11:22:43 (none) sshd[14342]: Connection closed by 194.247.242.37 [preauth] |
| 10:23.20 | sw | No connect, no wrong password, just that ^ |
| 10:23.31 | aypea[0] | petn-randall: tried all that. all no-go. :( thanks for trying, though. |
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| 10:24.38 | rzetterberg | I'm trying to find docs re preseed/late-command, but my google-fu fails short. Any hints where I should be looking? |
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| 10:30.07 | fireba11 | sw: the IP is your box that is trying to connect to the server? |
| 10:30.29 | sw | fireba11: yes |
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| 10:30.43 | blackjack | guys. can you suggest a good pdf to .doc or .docx converter? |
| 10:30.48 | blackjack | for debian linux |
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| 10:30.54 | fireba11 | sw: any log on that box? maybe the supported encryptions changed and thereis no common encryption option anymore |
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| 10:31.23 | blackjack | that doesnt need to be formatted too much. I am using abiword but the convert is not that good. |
| 10:31.34 | ElDiabolo | sw Whose IP is that referenced by "closed by" |
| 10:31.40 | sw | fireba11: I am using Notepad++, connecting to it via SFTP. Nothing changed in Notepad++, on the server I upgrade from 7.8 -> 8 and now it doesn't connect. Notepad++ shows 'Connecting ...' then 'Disconnected' |
| 10:31.52 | sw | ElDiabolo: 194.* is mine |
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| 10:32.48 | petn-randall | ueber: If you look at your paste, you'll see the error "iptables v1.4.21: can't initialize iptables table '-nat': Table does not exist (do you need to insmod?)" |
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| 10:33.27 | blackjack | Anyone knows a good .PDF to .DOC document convert? Which is for free |
| 10:33.37 | ElDiabolo | sw This looks like the client (np++) disconnects because the server gives an answer it does not like. |
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| 10:34.43 | sw | ElDiabolo: Wow, now updated Notepad++ and it connects? |
| 10:34.53 | sw | Guess they knew something had changed somewhere on Debian? |
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| 10:38.52 | jelly | did not even know there was Notepad++ for Linux |
| 10:39.17 | sw | there's not :) |
| 10:39.26 | blackjack | http://pastie.org/private/8ztjvhp8udnde3jbz5owjw |
| 10:39.30 | jelly | ah |
| 10:39.41 | blackjack | what might the problem with my LIBREoffice download/install ? |
| 10:40.21 | rozie | blackjack: use another repo, apt-get update |
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| 10:40.34 | rozie | (use httpredir.debian.org...) |
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| 10:41.01 | blackjack | ok. |
| 10:41.05 | jelly | blackjack: please show the complete command you used and output, also output of "apt-cache policy cb-meta-libreoffice; apt-cache policy" |
| 10:41.37 | ElDiabolo | sw Upgrading notepad would have been my next suggestion. Most likely the older notepad was not able to do something considered a security requirement by the current debian defaults. |
| 10:41.59 | darxmurf | any idea if the sideband cable of a RAID array can be plugged on the backplane while the system is running ? :) |
| 10:42.02 | sw | ElDiabolo: thanks! |
| 10:42.21 | fireba11 | darxmurf: try #hardware? :-D |
| 10:42.36 | ueber | petn-randall: it's not a mistake |
| 10:42.50 | ElDiabolo | sw, I did not do much. Just talked. You solved your problem yourself. |
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| 10:44.00 | Na_Klar | I'm configuring a source code and it needs liblcms. But libcms was displaced by liblcms1 (in the repository). How can I tell configure to use this instead? Can I set some environment var? |
| 10:44.03 | jelly | blackjack: put all of that in a single pastebin if possible, thanks in advance |
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| 10:45.01 | pipl | Hello does multiarch work for 32 bit system as I need to run 64 bit jre ? Or multiarch is a term for 64 bit systems only ? |
| 10:45.19 | ueber | petn-randall: it's correct |
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| 10:46.27 | jelly | pipl: yes. Make sure you've booted an -amd64 flavor kernel. |
| 10:46.27 | fireba11 | pipl: you need to run at least a 64-bit kernel |
| 10:47.02 | jelly | judd: info linux-image-amd64 --arch i386 |
| 10:47.04 | judd | Package linux-image-amd64 (kernel, optional) in jessie/i386: Linux for 64-bit PCs (meta-package). Version: 3.16+63; Size: 5.7k; Installed: 37k |
| 10:47.26 | blackjack | jelly, do you know a good PDF to document converter? i only have abiword here, would libreoffice convert way better? |
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| 10:47.35 | jelly | blackjack: I have no idea |
| 10:47.40 | blackjack | ok |
| 10:48.16 | pipl | thank you fireba11 jelly |
| 10:48.22 | blackjack | oh sometimes i wish i had a windows machine. this would be so easy :s. |
| 10:49.04 | fireba11 | blackjack: converting pdf back to something editable is always difficult |
| 10:50.36 | jelly | pipl: all my desktop machines run like that, too lazy to reinstall amd64 and there's still to reliable in-place i386->amd64 procedure |
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| 10:51.46 | pipl | jelly: that is quite a relief. |
| 10:51.59 | ueber | petn-randall: problem found, it's blocked by ISP for ddos attack |
| 10:52.41 | fireba11 | ueber: whops _D |
| 10:52.48 | ueber | :) |
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| 10:53.23 | ueber | it's "mitigated" and will become available in future... mmmmh... |
| 10:53.32 | ueber | it's hosted on OVH |
| 10:54.02 | ueber | I never got this in 2 years on my DigitalOcean server |
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| 11:13.23 | Na_Klar | nevermind, I just needed the -dev package ... (always that mistake .. always ...) |
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| 11:14.41 | SynrG | Fr3d3r1c: you've read the man page and still don't understand it? |
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| 11:14.54 | SynrG | it looks pretty obvious to me |
| 11:16.03 | SynrG | Fr3d3r1c: i.e. if you haven't read the man page, read it. if you *have* read it and don't understand it, please explain what part you don't understand |
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| 11:29.28 | mjkr | are there tutorials around about running apt-get with a socks proxy? |
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| 11:30.24 | mjkr | also, it is possible, does apt-get does the name resolution locally or remotely through the socks proxy, and are there ways to configure that? |
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| 11:30.33 | mjkr | if it is possible, I meant. |
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| 11:30.50 | cast | any ideas why ${DEVICE} would be empty when my udev-rule-triggered script runs? |
| 11:30.59 | cast | ${ACTION} isn't empty |
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| 11:46.09 | DimmuR | Hello everyone. I'm trying to run 32bit application in latest debian stable, but getting errors: http://wklej.org/id/1723042/ |
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| 11:46.20 | Iridos | mjkr, guess you could see that in git://anonscm.debian.org/git/apt/apt.git |
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| 11:47.05 | mjkr | Iridos, ah, didn't think about that. either way, thanks! |
| 11:47.18 | Iridos | mjkr, or possibly easier... aptitude changelog apt |
| 11:47.45 | Iridos | mjkr, it was added , 18 Feb 2010 16:11:39 |
| 11:48.42 | mjkr | ah, that's very ancient. |
| 11:48.52 | Iridos | in around 0.7.26~exp1 |
| 11:48.56 | mjkr | guess I can finally do away with tsocks then |
| 11:48.57 | ChrisH | DimmuR: run apt-file search libstdc++.so.6 to find the missing packages. Most probably lib32stdc++6: /usr/lib32/libstdc++.so.6 |
| 11:49.05 | mjkr | s/do/dump |
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| 11:50.14 | DimmuR | ChrisH, i have this already installed as ldconfig shows - it is libx32stdc++6 package but app doesn't see it that's why i ask here for help |
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| 11:52.00 | ChrisH | DimmuR: what app is it? nothing from Debian repos I assume |
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| 11:52.37 | DimmuR | ChrisH, no it's 3rd party app that i have to run on server (on previous debian release it worked after installing ia32 libs) |
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| 11:53.35 | ChrisH | DimmuR: then you need to ask $3rd-Party-Vendor about it. |
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| 11:56.35 | andr19 | my screen turns off, and doesnt come.back when i move the mouse or press the keyboard. The pressses are shown in a word processor, but only after sleep resume can i see the screen. can someone help? |
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| 12:04.54 | l3archos | I am runnin PHP 5.6 on Debian Jessie with Apache2. I am using PHP5-FPM and fastcgi for all PHP stuff, that's why I disabled the apache2 module "mod_php". I have some vHosts that use custom PHP settings which are defined through "php_flag" lines within vHost configuration or inside their .htaccess files. That doesn't work anymore and apache2 outputs errors, because this php_flag is a directive that is handled by Apache2 mod_php module. How can I |
| 12:04.54 | l3archos | solve that? |
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| 12:08.19 | zaffinger | enable "mod_php", scnr |
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| 12:12.21 | l3archos | zaffinger: doesn't work, I think because of using fastcgi now? I can successfully run "a2enmod php5" but "service apache2 restart" fails because of "configtest failes" [:crit] Apache is running a threaded MPM, ...pile PHP. |
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| 12:15.15 | l3archos | and again, I DON'T want to use Apache2's internal handler mod_php because it has very bad performance. That's why I am using php5-fpm+fastcgi as the most out there. |
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| 12:26.47 | RoBz | hey guys, my df -h looks like this http://paste.debian.net/plain/184538 and i'm just wondering if it's really necessary to have 55GB tied up in all these other filesystems |
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| 12:27.28 | bigfoot- | Hi. Is there an official fix for logjam for Debian Wheezy? |
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| 12:28.28 | bazhang | ,v logjam |
| 12:28.29 | judd | Package: logjam on amd64 -- squeeze: 4.5.3-6; jessie: 4.6.2-1; sid: 4.6.2-1; wheezy: 4.6.2-1; stretch: 4.6.2-1 |
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| 12:30.50 | bigfoot- | bazhang: oh, sorry. my question was not detailed enough. I'm looking for a fix for the "logjam" vulnerability, which is about weak DH key exchanges in libssl. |
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| 12:31.21 | bigfoot- | https://weakdh.org/ |
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| 12:31.59 | bazhang | wheezy: 4.6.2-1 |
| 12:32.06 | bazhang | check and see |
| 12:32.40 | bigfoot- | "Client for LiveJournal-based sites", no, that's not what I'm looking for |
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| 12:33.39 | bigfoot- | the name "logjam" is ambiguous. It refers to a recently discovered SSL vulnerability, and obviously also to some LiveJournal GUI client. I'm talking about the former. |
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| 12:35.38 | AndChat|173801 | anyone know what to do if the screen go blank and come back only after sleep resume? |
| 12:35.46 | l3archos | is think I have discovered a bug in Jessie's gdm3 |
| 12:36.01 | Bushman | ok, this is not normal... |
| 12:36.17 | Bushman | let's forget about sound themes and stuff like that... |
| 12:36.25 | Bushman | beep |
| 12:37.17 | Bushman | beep program, directed manually by path to my system's pcspeaker event _as__root_... |
| 12:37.25 | Bushman | ... does not beep. |
| 12:37.46 | Bushman | someone please help me or i'll loose all my hair |
| 12:39.18 | tumulte | xset b off ? |
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| 12:43.34 | petn-randall | l3archos: Which is? |
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| 12:50.21 | l3archos | petn-randall: when a & sign is used as a user password, it is NOT recognized in X/gdm3. Console works though. I can reproduce that as many times I want |
| 12:50.35 | l3archos | I think the ampersand is interpreted and thus causing the error |
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| 12:50.52 | l3archos | which shouldn't occur of course. In Wheezy there was no problem |
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| 12:56.52 | _alexrk | i just saw rms went back on his statements about firefoxes branding |
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| 12:58.02 | petn-randall | l3archos: It could be that you have a different keyboard layout than you expect. Does it produce a & when you type it in the user field? |
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| 13:01.03 | sda | hi |
| 13:01.10 | sda | how do I install docker? |
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| 13:01.38 | sda | docker and debian web pages seems a bit outdated |
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| 13:02.03 | sda | it about docker.io |
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| 13:02.57 | meseira | sda: you can use the Docker script : https://get.docker.com/ |
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| 13:03.16 | irgendwer4711 | hi, is there any working howto for vsftpd with ssl? |
| 13:03.18 | meseira | sda: according to the help page of Docker : curl -sSL https://get.docker.com/ | sh |
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| 13:03.26 | sda | meseira, I saw that one |
| 13:03.39 | meseira | sda: so? |
| 13:03.56 | l3archos | petn-randall: that could be possible ,yes. |
| 13:03.57 | sda | meseira, I don't know |
| 13:04.10 | sda | meseira, does it handle updates? |
| 13:04.29 | l3archos | petn-randall: doesn't X (or respectively gdm3, gnome-shell) use the same keyboard layout as I have in console when logging in with my user "foo" ? |
| 13:04.53 | sda | meseira, and will it work if I update jessie now and then |
| 13:05.22 | meseira | sda: it add the source of Docker... they maintain their own packages for Debian |
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| 13:05.51 | meseira | sda: if you trust them, run their script and you will be able to update docker |
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| 13:06.09 | sda | meseira, ok |
| 13:06.10 | meseira | sda: with the classical apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
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| 13:06.45 | themill | (the reason docker is not in debian is that its trust is not trustworthy) |
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| 13:07.04 | Alexei | ds |
| 13:07.08 | Alexei | ciaoii |
| 13:07.13 | sda | themill, ah? |
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| 13:07.42 | Alexei | impiccat |
| 13:07.44 | Alexei | i |
| 13:07.45 | Nduja | I am trying to run a python script, but I get this error "Fatal exception: Error loading plugins: No module named printers", which lib do i have to install to fix it? |
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| 13:08.06 | sda | themill, is it? |
| 13:08.39 | sda | I thought it was beacause of the release pace of docker team |
| 13:08.41 | Alexei | Nduja you tried to install module into cpan ? |
| 13:08.57 | themill | sda: and one of the things that they are working apace to fix is their trust model |
| 13:08.58 | jordanm | cpan is perl, not python |
| 13:09.09 | Alexei | yes sorry |
| 13:09.10 | Alexei | XD |
| 13:09.17 | Nduja | :D |
| 13:09.27 | Alexei | but is for pma exploit ? |
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| 13:09.51 | jordanm | ,file printers/__init__.py |
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| 13:09.54 | judd | No packages in jessie/amd64 were found with that file. |
| 13:10.08 | sda | themill, so how you don't use docker or you have an alternative way to install it? |
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| 13:10.18 | sda | -how |
| 13:10.32 | Nduja | it seems that it is a bug in libstdcxx |
| 13:10.45 | petn-randall | l3archos: Well, depends. You can set the locale independently. |
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| 13:11.09 | jordanm | sda: either via the script that was already mentioned, or through jessie-backports |
| 13:11.14 | themill | sda: I find docker to be a solution in search of a problem and that docker is an administration nightmare |
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| 13:11.49 | sda | themill, ok so you use an alternative tool? |
| 13:11.52 | jordanm | sda: if you are on wheezy, the script is the only option, but it still installs via an apt repo |
| 13:12.31 | sda | jordanm, I didn't find it in the jessi-backports list of packages on the backoports page |
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| 13:13.11 | jordanm | sda: I saw on the mailing list that one of the uploads failed, so it may still be waiting on migration to testing before reupload |
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| 13:14.07 | sda | jordanm, no backport has docker.io package though |
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| 13:14.13 | jordanm | as someone who does a lot of work on continuous integration and continuous delivery, I have to disagree with themill on docker |
| 13:14.25 | themill | :) |
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| 13:15.03 | sda | ci/cd is my purpose |
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| 13:16.03 | sda | jordanm, and that's the post I'v seen too... |
| 13:16.20 | sda | jordanm, no news since then |
| 13:16.39 | moty66 | jordanm: what do you mean by ,file printers/__init__.py |
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| 13:17.00 | jordanm | moty66: it was a file search for the judd bot in the channel |
| 13:17.18 | jordanm | !tell sda about ssb |
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| 13:17.47 | jordanm | sda: you can backport yourself, you use the docker's third party repo |
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| 13:18.48 | chele | themill: You got info about the suspicious activities which docker does? |
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| 13:20.38 | meseira | sda: docker.io is not in jessie-backports for now... but it is in testing. |
| 13:20.41 | sda | jordanm, docker's third party repo? |
| 13:20.58 | jordanm | curl -sSL https://get.docker.com/ | sh |
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| 13:21.10 | jordanm | that setups up and installs via their third party repo |
| 13:21.15 | meseira | sda: up to you, you can use the docker's script or install debian testing and use the debian source |
| 13:21.19 | sda | ok |
| 13:21.34 | dashs | finally upgraded old server from edebian 6 to 7 -- couple of nfs exports refuse to export as read-write from that server. nfsv4 artifact? |
| 13:21.44 | meseira | sda: or add a dirty testing line in your nice stable sources.list and do pinning :D |
| 13:21.58 | jordanm | i wouldn't recommend that |
| 13:22.28 | meseira | jordanm: me to, i don't recommend that ;-) |
| 13:23.18 | sda | well... |
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| 13:23.37 | sda | so docker is not debian friendly |
| 13:23.49 | sda | ot he other way arround |
| 13:23.49 | HD|Laptop | hi |
| 13:24.49 | themill | chele: most of http://joeyh.name/blog/entry/docker_run_debian/ is still true |
| 13:24.51 | Brigo | sda, docker did not satisfy the debian standars during release. |
| 13:25.04 | sda | will lxd from ubuntu have more future @debain? |
| 13:25.09 | jordanm | it satisfied the standards |
| 13:25.17 | AndChat|173801 | anyone know what to do if the screen go blank and come back only after sleep resume? |
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| 13:25.31 | jordanm | the maintainer just felt like it was already too far out of date and asked the release team to remove it |
| 13:25.52 | thebrush | hid3, is there a way to setup in jessie the "corner action" (in ubu 14.04 I use tweak for it) |
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| 13:26.13 | thebrush | (sorry hid3 ... was a 'hi' :) ) |
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| 13:27.05 | meseira | sda: lxc installs and runs perfectly well in Debian... there is good to have the same friendship with lxd |
| 13:28.01 | themill | jordanm: well... unmaintainable hairball that couldn't receive security patches means not up to standard in my book. (not even suitable for main, if you look at policy §2.2.1) |
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| 13:28.03 | jordanm | ubuntu is known for making their software difficult to port to other distros howerver |
| 13:28.08 | kruug | so, VPS put my instance in a container (idk, that's what I was told based on my kernel). Is it normal to have to wipe the server to do a distro upgrade, or is my VPS provider incompetent? |
| 13:28.10 | jordanm | if people care enough, it will get ported |
| 13:28.11 | meseira | sda: but if you want to try docker, you simply can create a VM and try it inside. It works well and you will be able to compare the various solutions given above |
| 13:29.15 | sda | meseira, I already have some work on docker |
| 13:29.36 | sda | I want to move it my debian jessie ci server |
| 13:29.59 | meseira | ok |
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| 13:30.37 | Brigo | sda, and what the problem with lxc? |
| 13:30.38 | jordanm | themill: isn't that just a side-effect of it's current rapid development? |
| 13:31.00 | sda | Brigo, I don't know lxc nor lxd |
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| 13:31.39 | Brigo | sda, lxc is the container solution in which docker is based. It is quite easy to use. I think it could fit you. |
| 13:31.44 | jordanm | sda: docker uses lxc for containers |
| 13:31.57 | themill | jordanm: "we rewrote the entire API again last week so you can't backport the security patch" just smells of poorly planned development to me. And the security stuff in question is to address the fundamentally flawed design of the registry) |
| 13:32.09 | jordanm | sda: newer versions use libcontainer instead of lxc directly, but I don't think that's the case in the debian varients |
| 13:32.46 | sda | I kbnow that docker uses lxc |
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| 13:33.12 | jordanm | themill: yeah, that was poor... I had just setup a private registry 2 days before they announced the registry deprecated with a replacement |
| 13:33.44 | jordanm | not just any setup... but a high availability setup that consisted of a lot of servers, CDNs and everything |
| 13:33.58 | themill | yeah. sounds ideal for basing things on that are going to be central to your business... |
| 13:34.17 | sda | anyway docker compose is trivial to use |
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| 13:34.37 | sda | that's the attracting honey/sugar |
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| 13:35.00 | Brigo | sda compose? |
| 13:35.03 | sda | I'll take a look at lxc if it fits |
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| 13:35.28 | sda | Brigo, docker_compose https://docs.docker.com/compose/ |
| 13:37.04 | Brigo | sda, it looks pretty complicated. I doubt you can see it in production in many years |
| 13:37.52 | sda | Brigo, not complicated |
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| 13:38.46 | SydM107 | hi, anyone familiar with nvidia-cuda-toolkit? |
| 13:38.47 | sda | Brigo, ansible uses it I think (not sure though) |
| 13:39.11 | babilen | SydM107: What would you ask that hypothetical person? |
| 13:39.17 | l3archos | petn-randall: it is not a keyboard-setting/locale. The ampersand at the end of a password will result in a failed login in gdm3/X. When I use other special characters at the end of the password (e.g. an exclamation or question mark) it works fine though |
| 13:39.19 | sda | Brigo, same kind of description anyways |
| 13:40.14 | SydM107 | babilen: can it break my system? I am a nub |
| 13:40.35 | SydM107 | babilen: I have a quadro k4100 |
| 13:42.34 | SydM107 | babilen: also, does it help with matlab parpool's |
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| 13:44.42 | HRH_H_Cr1b | hi, im trying to modify a debian installer iso to provide console support (jessie). |
| 13:44.53 | HRH_H_Cr1b | a lot of the documentation im finding seems to be a bit out of date. |
| 13:45.20 | somiaj | what do you mean by porivding console support? |
| 13:45.27 | HRH_H_Cr1b | it keeps referring to a "txt.cfg" file but i suspect that may now be "install.cfg" - anyone about who can confirm or deny? |
| 13:45.38 | HRH_H_Cr1b | somiaj: i need the ability to install debian via a serial console |
| 13:45.52 | HRH_H_Cr1b | the machine i am installing on has no graphics support. |
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| 13:45.59 | somiaj | HRH_H_Cr1b: ahh, okay. I don't have experience with this. |
| 13:46.08 | HRH_H_Cr1b | so i need to append some stuff to the kernel line at boot. |
| 13:46.40 | somiaj | HRH_H_Cr1b: can you access the hd and pull it out of the machine, the install from a machien that has a graphics card...but I guess I just like debootstrap |
| 13:46.59 | HRH_H_Crab | somiaj: it may well come to that. |
| 13:47.09 | HRH_H_Crab | or boot from a usb stick and use debootstrap. |
| 13:47.15 | HRH_H_Crab | but id rather do a clean install if possible. |
| 13:47.31 | somiaj | HRH_H_Crab: don't see why this would be any less clean, it is the same thing in the end. |
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| 13:47.52 | somiaj | HRH_H_Crab: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch05s03.html.en#boot-console |
| 13:47.59 | somiaj | but the info in the install guide should help I would imangine. |
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| 13:48.07 | HRH_H_Crab | somiaj: lots of editing and farting around with fstabs and grub and stuff like that with the debootstrap method |
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| 13:48.19 | HRH_H_Crab | easy mode [tab] and [enter] with the installer! ;) |
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| 13:48.43 | HRH_H_Crab | and ofc the debootstrap method is a royal pain in the rump to automate. |
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| 13:51.22 | HRH_H_Crab | somiaj: yeah that guide is useful. |
| 13:51.28 | HRH_H_Crab | it tells you what you need to add. |
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| 13:51.45 | HRH_H_Crab | but it doesnt tell you (afaict) what file you need to add it to. :( |
| 13:52.08 | HRH_H_Crab | plus, it refers to (i think) a system that is already installed with debian |
| 13:52.15 | HRH_H_Crab | as opposed to the debian installer on an iso. |
| 13:52.24 | somiaj | no those are the installer boot paramaters. |
| 13:52.37 | somiaj | i.e. chapter 5 booting the installation system |
| 13:52.44 | HRH_H_Crab | aah yes. |
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| 13:54.26 | HRH_H_Crab | but i still cant figure out what file id need to change to pass those parameters. |
| 13:54.34 | HRH_H_Crab | i suspect its install.cfg though. |
| 13:54.50 | somiaj | yea it does seem to think you can see/type them into the boot line at the start |
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| 13:55.08 | hay207 | !mint |
| 13:55.09 | dpkg_ | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
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| 13:55.17 | somiaj | it says it should autodetect your serial console if you have no video device, does that machine have a video device on it HRH_H_Crab ? |
| 13:55.23 | HRH_H_Crab | no |
| 13:55.59 | hay207 | hi, what's "See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>" |
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| 13:56.16 | hay207 | i don't understand that |
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| 13:57.15 | HRH_H_Crab | hay207: i think it means you can type "!based on debian" or "!mintppc" *shrug* |
| 13:57.32 | hay207 | !based on debian |
| 13:57.32 | dpkg_ | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 13:57.38 | soulEscaper | hey, I want to install debian, and made a partition for it, but it wants to install to the arch linux partition every time, how can i select the partiton where i want to install debian on? |
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| 13:57.57 | hay207 | ok HRH_H_Crab calm down |
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| 13:58.03 | hay207 | thanks |
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| 13:58.46 | Agiofws | hello |
| 13:58.47 | somiaj | hay207: it is also suggested you /msg dpkg factoid over spam the channel if you are just followign the chains and looking for info |
| 13:58.49 | Agiofws | is there a windows manager application that would auto fit all your windows on your screen? |
| 13:59.17 | hay207 | mi want to read rules |
| 13:59.21 | somiaj | Agiofws: sounds like you want a tiling window manager. There are a few to choose from, but that is a key phrase to look up in google. |
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| 13:59.47 | somiaj | hay207: correct, you can just do it in a pm with the bot over using the channel. If you have questions about the bot feel free to ask here |
| 14:00.16 | hay207 | ok ok |
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| 14:01.24 | somiaj | HRH_H_Crab: It should detect the serial console if it is configured correctly. Are you sure your machine can boot (yo have disabled the halt for no video card in your bios)? Also you can try to blindly type in the boot paramater without seeing anything. |
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| 14:01.42 | somiaj | HRH_H_Crab: but I do agree, it isn't clear how to add those boot paramaters in the case you can't see them. |
| 14:01.42 | soulEscaper | hey, I want to install debian, and made a partition for it, but it wants to install to the arch linux partition every time, how can i select the partiton where i want to install debian on? |
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| 14:02.03 | hay207 | whatis bot's name? |
| 14:02.03 | HRH_H_Crab | somiaj: ive messed around with various debian installers. |
| 14:02.05 | somiaj | soulEscaper: the installer should let you select the correct partition. Make sure you choose manual mode when doing this. |
| 14:02.20 | HRH_H_Crab | i can see the machine booting but as soon as the installer starts i see nothing. |
| 14:02.51 | HRH_H_Crab | so far the only thing ive got working that allows me to see it booting is a debian derivative called voyage linux. |
| 14:02.58 | somiaj | HRH_H_Crab: so you can see the machine booting over the serial console. You don't see the bootloader in the installer giving you info like expert vs regular install |
| 14:03.05 | HRH_H_Crab | only the bios type stuff. |
| 14:03.32 | HRH_H_Crab | yeah as soon as the bios passes control to the debian bootloader i see nothing |
| 14:03.34 | somiaj | soulEscaper: you may want to use the expert install as it does give you more info. But the installer does give you the option to install only on a partition you want to. |
| 14:03.53 | somiaj | HRH_H_Crab: hmm, yea I don't know what the issue coudl be then. Are you booting from a usb stick? |
| 14:03.57 | soulEscaper | somiaj, not it doesn't , i chose manual mode, when you sect the partiton and click on continue, you continue setting up that partition, so you have to click on "quit disk manager and write changes to disk", but it automatically takes the wrong partition |
| 14:03.59 | HRH_H_Crab | s/debian bootloader/isolinux i guess |
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| 14:04.05 | HRH_H_Crab | somiaj: yep. |
| 14:04.12 | somiaj | HRH_H_Crab: how did you create this usb stick? |
| 14:05.05 | hay207 | what's bot's name? |
| 14:05.19 | somiaj | hay207: /msg dpkg |
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| 14:06.05 | somiaj | soulEscaper: well this doesn't sound like standard behavior. If this is really happening maybe take some screenshots or photos of your screen at the stages here you select the correct partion and then at the stage where the isntaller says it is using another partition. |
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| 14:06.48 | somiaj | soulEscaper: I either think it is some slightly issue in how you are selecting the partition via the installer's tools, or you have a corrupt installer for some reason. |
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| 14:07.54 | gefdecue | some times after reboot i find my alsa-mixer with volume 0% and need to manually fix it every time. why is that happening? |
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| 14:08.36 | hay207 | ok thanks |
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| 14:09.18 | somiaj | gefdecue: sounds like the alsa tools to restore the settings aren't working or are not installed |
| 14:09.25 | petn-randall | l3archos: If the bug is 100% reproducible (so changing the password to 'foobaz!' works, but 'foobaz%' fails), file a bug report with steps to reproduce. |
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| 14:09.44 | somiaj | gefdecue: do you have the package alsa-utils installed? |
| 14:09.55 | petn-randall | l3archos: Bonus points if you can try it on a separate machine to exclude any configuration accidents on that specific machine. |
| 14:09.56 | gefdecue | somiaj: this issue appeared just recently, and im on debian for a year now |
| 14:10.18 | HRH_H_Crab | hay207: ive been trying to do something like this: http://pcengines.info/forums/?page=post&id=E25612E9-84F0-4DCF-A876-1E92FD1D065C |
| 14:10.33 | HRH_H_Crab | but i know i need firmware-realtek support |
| 14:10.42 | soulEscaper | somiaj, i think it s a general bug in the installer, because it literally tells you that you can only select the partitions to change settings of these partitions, there is really no way to select or configure the partition where you want to install debian |
| 14:10.47 | somiaj | HRH_H_Crab: how did you cerate the usb image? |
| 14:10.48 | HRH_H_Crab | so im using an unofficial jessie iso from debian.org with non-free firmware |
| 14:10.51 | HRH_H_Crab | and the problem there is... |
| 14:10.57 | HRH_H_Crab | ...there is no txt.cfg! |
| 14:11.21 | HRH_H_Crab | well, after i ran genisofs or whatever its called, |
| 14:11.24 | somiaj | soulEscaper: again unless you provide some actuall screen shots you won't get much more help I'm afraid. I have never experienced the installer doing what you said and I have installed on a paticular patition each time. |
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| 14:11.44 | HRH_H_Crab | i simply cat blah.iso > /path/to/usbdevicefile |
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| 14:11.54 | somiaj | HRH_H_Crab: that could be the issue, debian iso are hybrid and can be easily damged if you try to generate one |
| 14:11.55 | HRH_H_Crab | (so something like /dev/sdc) |
| 14:12.07 | somiaj | HRH_H_Crab: did you do that with the actual iso or with your modified iso? |
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| 14:12.17 | HRH_H_Crab | with the modified one. |
| 14:12.23 | HRH_H_Crab | if i did it with the original oen |
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| 14:12.27 | soulEscaper | somiaj, ok i will take the screenshot but it s in dutch so maybe i have to reboot and put the installer in english? |
| 14:12.31 | gefdecue | somiaj: yes the package alsa utuils is installed |
| 14:12.38 | molgrum | is it possible to run a bash script after dpkg-buildpackage is done compiling and creating the hierarchy? |
| 14:12.42 | HRH_H_Crab | it would not contain stuff like: console=ttyS0,115200n8 quiet on the kernel line |
| 14:12.48 | somiaj | soulEscaper: I have to leave, but yes you may get more support that way |
| 14:12.54 | HRH_H_Crab | which would render the entire process utterly pointless |
| 14:13.02 | HRH_H_Crab | as that is what i modified it for. |
| 14:13.04 | HRH_H_Crab | :) |
| 14:13.09 | somiaj | HRH_H_Crab: modifying the iso probabaly destorys the bootloader and mbr info. |
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| 14:13.32 | somiaj | HRH_H_Crab: the install guide says it should detect your console. Have you tried just using a non-modified iso so you know that bootloader on the iso is intact? |
| 14:13.38 | HRH_H_Crab | somiaj: i think there is documentation on debian.org itself which strongly implies that rather than being some insanely reckless thing to do, |
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| 14:13.49 | HRH_H_Crab | modifying isos is perfectly normal for custom installs. |
| 14:13.57 | HRH_H_Crab | its all in the beautiful spirit of free software. |
| 14:14.40 | HRH_H_Crab | somiaj: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianCustomCD |
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| 14:16.49 | HRH_H_Crab | somiaj: and here: https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2011/06/msg02544.html |
| 14:17.02 | HRH_H_Crab | but again the problem is, it looks like something might have changed in jessie... |
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| 14:17.04 | somiaj | HRH_H_Crab: sure, I'm just saying that the iso provided by debian are very sophosicated in that they can boot boot from both usb and cdrom. They can also do efi and mbr boot. So you have to be careful when modifying them or creating your own. |
| 14:17.09 | HRH_H_Crab | there doesnt appear to be a txt.cfg anymore. |
| 14:17.15 | shay_shay | hay207: HRH_H_Crab: /msg dpkg based on debian |
| 14:17.35 | somiaj | HRH_H_Crab: so an idea was maybe something is going wrong with the modification and I just was courious have you tried to boot a non modified iso? |
| 14:17.45 | shay_shay | my point is use the bot privately |
| 14:17.51 | HRH_H_Crab | somiaj: yes |
| 14:17.57 | HRH_H_Crab | but when the unmodified kernel boots, |
| 14:17.59 | somiaj | HRH_H_Crab: but if you are following the docs, you are probabaly doing it correct. |
| 14:18.15 | Bushman | 14:39:18 < tumulte> xset b off ? |
| 14:18.22 | somiaj | HRH_H_Crab: can you see the boot options that allows you to select normal, expert, etc (this is before the kernel boots) |
| 14:18.23 | HRH_H_Crab | it expects vga support and does not do anything with with my serial line. |
| 14:18.30 | HRH_H_Crab | somiaj: yes. im following docs. |
| 14:18.40 | Bushman | tumulte: quite the opposite! i want it ON! |
| 14:18.47 | HRH_H_Crab | but the docs all seem to be pretty old and refer to a txt.cfg file that no longer appers to exist on jessie isos. |
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| 14:18.57 | HRH_H_Crab | ill just try editing install.cfg and see what happens. |
| 14:19.06 | somiaj | again it says the jessie isntaller should just detect your serial console. |
| 14:19.08 | tumulte | who would want such an evil feature |
| 14:19.35 | Bushman | me |
| 14:19.44 | somiaj | If you can see the initial boot of the normal iso, you can manually pass the options there by typing them in. If they aren't being accepted I'm unsure what the issue is, but I doublt putting them in a config file will change the beavior |
| 14:19.49 | HRH_H_Crab | somiaj: ummm. it says it should. and i think it should. but in my experience so far, it hasnt. |
| 14:20.04 | HRH_H_Crab | somiaj: so far ive not been able to. |
| 14:20.13 | richie_ | i am running debian jessie amd 64 and virtmanager with kvm, i am trying to connect remotely to another computer with virtmanager, i have installed the dependencies ssh-askpass-gnome ssh-askpass and libcanberra-gtk-module but i get the same error when entering the password |
| 14:20.32 | Bushman | tumulte: or to be precise, preferably i want "sound theme" that has sound event for terminal beep |
| 14:20.35 | HRH_H_Crab | as soon as the boot process goes from the bios / hardware firmware to what is on the iso itself the screen freezes. |
| 14:20.43 | richie_ | Uable to connect to libvirt. |
| 14:20.43 | richie_ | Cannot recv data: Warning: Permanently added '10.1.10.17' (ECDSA) to the list of known hosts. |
| 14:20.43 | richie_ | Permission denied, please try again. |
| 14:20.43 | richie_ | Permission denied (publickey,password).: Connection reset by peer |
| 14:20.44 | richie_ | Verify that the 'libvirtd' daemon is running |
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| 14:20.46 | somiaj | HRH_H_Crab: anyways sounds like you are covering your basis, maybe ask back in an hour or so and see if someone else around has more experience than I. |
| 14:20.49 | HRH_H_Crab | (as the debian installer is presumably trying to display to a non existing graphics card) |
| 14:21.01 | HRH_H_Crab | somiaj: cheers. will do. |
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| 14:21.29 | Bushman | tumulte: but after i installed jessie with xfce, it's mute like my shrimps in the tank next to the computer |
| 14:21.39 | tumulte | got no clue still |
| 14:21.56 | Bushman | sure, i can run some apps that play sound... but i want the OS to be audible |
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| 14:22.56 | petn-randall | facepalms. |
| 14:23.15 | shay_shay | Bushman: I have a xfce install at work I will take a look when I get there in 30 minutes |
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| 14:23.27 | richie_ | http://paste.debian.net/184593/ |
| 14:23.37 | shay_shay | richie_: you need libvirtd group perms |
| 14:23.53 | Bushman | shay_shay: cool! i'm here, highlight me if you get anything (i might be AFK tho but i'll reply when i see it) |
| 14:23.56 | petn-randall | richie_: You did just the same on the other channel. It's helpful to actually read *why* you got kicked. |
| 14:23.58 | richie_ | thanks shay_shay!! |
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| 14:24.09 | ahop | Hi! |
| 14:24.22 | ahop | Computer A is connected in Wifi to internet |
| 14:24.30 | ahop | Computer B is connected with ethernet to Computer A |
| 14:24.37 | ahop | how to have Internet on Computer B? |
| 14:24.41 | shay_shay | richie_: I think that's what happening... if your remote user doesn't have that as a secondary group then I would suspect that |
| 14:24.45 | ahop | in command line if possible |
| 14:25.18 | shay_shay | richie_: I forget the exact name of the group but you can find it by catting the /etc/group file |
| 14:25.24 | petn-randall | ahop: You could bridge both the wifi and the Ethernet on computer A, but it's not that trivial to do. |
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| 14:25.54 | jelly | ahop: if you use NetworkManager on A, it should have settings to create a Shared Internet Connection or something with a similar name |
| 14:25.57 | richie_ | shay_shay i will try it out now thank you again ill keep you posted |
| 14:26.13 | ahop | jelly is there an easy way to set up? |
| 14:26.21 | jelly | that's the easy way |
| 14:26.33 | ahop | what do you call Network manager? |
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| 14:27.08 | shay_shay | :D we call it network manager |
| 14:27.35 | ahop | which command line input should I write ? :) |
| 14:27.47 | jelly | um. The icon depicting a network connection in Gnome on machine A |
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| 14:28.23 | ahop | Ho you mean in Gnome |
| 14:28.31 | ahop | and with CLI? |
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| 14:29.40 | tumulte | is there a way to give a user permissions over an other ? Like userA has can do everything that userB can |
| 14:29.42 | zvz | nm-applet is the command for the system tray icon. nmtui runs the ncurses interface. nmcli is the command line interface. |
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| 14:32.03 | andy__ | I feel like I'm going mad, I know that both of the following command should work (they do on a server I tested). On my ubuntu pc they don't work. Can any one give me a clue where to start, getcap seems to report correctly. |
| 14:32.15 | andy__ | cp /bin/ping /tmp/ping; sudo /sbin/setcap cap_net_raw=ep /tmp/ping; /tmp/ping example.com |
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| 14:32.25 | andy__ | cp /bin/ping ~/ping; sudo /sbin/setcap cap_net_raw=ep ~/ping; ~/ping example.com |
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| 14:33.01 | shay_shay | andy__: this is #debian, go to #ubuntu |
| 14:33.41 | shay_shay | Ubuntu is not supported in #debian (or vice versa) |
| 14:33.53 | SydM107 | k i just installed nvidia-cuda through aptitude and now my os is wierd |
| 14:34.13 | SydM107 | for starters in the grub, it lists 3 linux versions |
| 14:34.48 | SydM107 | and 2 out of the 3 are unable to start x |
| 14:35.06 | petn-randall | SydM107: What other Linux versions does it list? |
| 14:35.13 | SydM107 | and this one is all sorts of wierd, my usb mouse no longer works |
| 14:35.34 | SydM107 | i'll have to reboot to write them down |
| 14:36.16 | SydM107 | or is there a way to see the list of versions without rebooting |
| 14:36.29 | shay_shay | s,or,nor |
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| 14:38.15 | petn-randall | SydM107: Those problems all don't seem to be related to nvidia-cuda. Are you sure you didn't accidentally do a (botched) release upgrade in the process? |
| 14:38.37 | SydM107 | shit i think you are right |
| 14:38.49 | AndChat|173801 | anyone know what to do if the screen go blank and come back only after sleep resume? |
| 14:38.57 | SydM107 | i remember seeing it in aptitude |
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| 14:39.52 | SydM107 | I might have done the upgrade while getting cuda |
| 14:40.07 | SydM107 | not might, I did |
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| 14:40.12 | shay_shay | AndChat|173801: if I understand you correctly, your computer is going to sleep and it won't wake unless you wake it? |
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| 14:41.23 | AndChat|173801 | no, the screen go blank, but i can still type and see what I typed ... but only after I put it to sleep |
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| 14:41.59 | AndChat|173801 | shay_shay: ^ |
| 14:42.23 | SydM107 | is there a way to revert my stupidity? |
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| 14:43.11 | AndChat|173801 | I mean, the screen become visible only after putting the laptop to sleep and then resume |
| 14:43.55 | petn-randall | SydM107: You can either fully upgrade, or reinstall. Downgrading is not supported, and likely causes more headaches on the way. |
| 14:44.24 | SydM107 | fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucccccccccccccccccccckkkkkkkkkk |
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| 14:44.49 | SydM107 | how can I fully upgrade? |
| 14:45.48 | shay_shay | AndChat|173801: that's a problem with several possible causes.. HDMI might be powering off, dpms on the monitor might be malfunctioning, etc |
| 14:45.55 | babilen | SydM107: What did you upgrade from? |
| 14:46.17 | SydM107 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:46.37 | AndChat|173801 | my laptop don't have hdmi, so we canexclude that one |
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| 14:47.16 | shay_shay | AndChat|173801: oh its the built in display? |
| 14:47.28 | AndChat|173801 | yes |
| 14:47.35 | AndChat|173801 | its a laptop |
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| 14:47.51 | SydM107 | is there a sort of history? |
| 14:48.08 | AndChat|173801 | shay_shay: ^ |
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| 14:49.26 | AndChat|173801 | shay_shay: I think that it turn off the lamp of the display... but I don't know how to confirm, or resolve it |
| 14:49.54 | SydM107 | is there a way to see the list of linux versions in grub without rebooting? |
| 14:50.31 | HRH_H_Crab | SydM107: /boot/grub/menu.lst i think |
| 14:50.34 | HRH_H_Crab | one of those anyway. |
| 14:50.41 | SydM107 | k |
| 14:51.01 | shay_shay | AndChat|173801: try this see if it happens: xset dpms force standby |
| 14:51.24 | freeone3000 | After "sleep", or disconnected from Ethernet, hotplug on eth0 doesn't seem to work. service restart networking didn't help. What should I try next? |
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| 14:52.43 | AndChat|173801 | shay_shay: ok, it will take me a few minutes to get it, and power it on |
| 14:52.45 | babilen | SydM107: Could you paste the output of "head -v -n -0 /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*}" to http://paste.debian.net ? |
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| 14:54.40 | SydM107 | http://paste.debian.net/184601/ |
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| 14:56.33 | SydM107 | I can't find any .lst files that have the linux version in /boot/grub |
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| 14:57.09 | mtn | SydM107: /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
| 14:57.17 | SydM107 | ahh |
| 14:57.36 | babilen | SydM107: What does "cat /etc/debian_version" and "dpkg -l 'base-files' 'libc6' 'apt' 'linux-image*'" give you? |
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| 14:58.20 | babilen | And you are aware that jessie has been released and that it contains steam, aren't you? |
| 14:58.23 | babilen | dpkg_: jessie |
| 14:58.31 | babilen | judd: v steam |
| 14:58.33 | judd | No package named 'steam' was found in amd64. |
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| 14:59.07 | babilen | https://packages.debian.org/jessie/steam |
| 14:59.19 | babilen | themill: ^ why doesn't judd know about steam? |
| 14:59.20 | SydM107 | first command gave 7.8 |
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| 15:00.17 | centrx | maybe judd doesn't have non-free? |
| 15:00.21 | babilen | It does |
| 15:00.23 | themill | ,v steam i386 |
| 15:00.25 | judd | Package: steam on i386 -- jessie/non-free: 1.0.0.49-1; sid/non-free: 1.0.0.49-1; stretch/non-free: 1.0.0.49-1; experimental/non-free: 1.0.0.49-2 |
| 15:00.26 | AndChat|173801 | shay_shay: that xset command similarly blank the screen, but the screen is unblanked when I move the mouse |
| 15:00.43 | themill | ,archs steam |
| 15:00.44 | judd | Package steam in jessie: i386 (1.0.0.49-1) |
| 15:00.47 | babilen | themill: Ah, i386 only ... sorry for the noise |
| 15:00.52 | themill | np |
| 15:00.55 | babilen | doesn't steam |
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| 15:01.25 | SydM107 | http://paste.debian.net/184603/ for the second command |
| 15:01.45 | SydM107 | this is a university computer |
| 15:02.37 | SydM107 | but IT guy is unavailable |
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| 15:03.35 | SydM107 | and I'm in europe for a long time so if he can't connect remotely he can't help |
| 15:04.00 | shay_shay | AndChat|173801: try xset dpms force suspend |
| 15:04.24 | SydM107 | should i paste.debian the contents of my grub.cfg file? |
| 15:04.39 | shay_shay | AndChat|173801: and if that doesnt reproduce it, then: sleep 0.2; xset dpms s activate |
| 15:04.43 | babilen | SydM107: Sorry, could you make that "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l 'base-files' 'libc6' 'apt' 'linux-image*'" and paste it again? |
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| 15:05.02 | shay_shay | Bushman: grep Bell ~/.config/xfce4/terminal/terminalrc |
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| 15:06.00 | shay_shay | Bushman: if that says FALSE, change it to TRUE. then go into xfce4-mixer and goto "select controls..." and enable the beep mixer. then unmute it and ajust the slider |
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| 15:06.12 | AndChat|173801 | shay_shay: is the single s a typo? |
| 15:06.19 | shay_shay | AndChat|173801: no |
| 15:06.51 | SydM107 | babilen: columns=200 command not found |
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| 15:07.35 | petn-randall | SydM107: COLUMNS in all caps. |
| 15:07.44 | SydM107 | yup |
| 15:07.52 | SydM107 | same thing |
| 15:08.24 | SydM107 | COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l 'base-files' 'libc6' 'apt' 'linux-image*' |
| 15:08.24 | SydM107 | COLUMNS=200: Command not found. |
| 15:08.29 | babilen | SydM107: The command is literally "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l 'base-files' 'libc6' 'apt' 'linux-image*'" |
| 15:08.35 | babilen | (all of it) |
| 15:08.55 | AndChat|173801 | shay_shay: it behave the same with all of these commands |
| 15:09.11 | SydM107 | with quotes you mean |
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| 15:09.48 | SydM107 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:09.49 | SydM107 | COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l 'base-files' 'libc6' 'apt' 'linux-image*': Command not found. |
| 15:10.49 | SydM107 | sorry |
| 15:10.51 | babilen | SydM107: Could you paste the exact command you used and its entire output to http://paste.debian.net ? |
| 15:11.11 | babilen | (and no, without quotes) |
| 15:11.57 | AndChat|173801 | shay_shay: and now it went blank on its own, and doesnt come back :( |
| 15:12.28 | AndChat|173801 | i'll sleep-resume |
| 15:12.32 | shay_shay | AndChat|173801: that was only a couple of minutes, check your power management settings and see if anything coincides with that timeframe |
| 15:12.51 | shay_shay | AndChat|173801: are you sleep and resuming over ssh? |
| 15:12.55 | r3m | ,v gdm |
| 15:12.56 | judd | Package: gdm on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.20.11-4 |
| 15:13.00 | r3m | ,v gdm3 |
| 15:13.01 | judd | Package: gdm3 on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 2.30.5-6squeeze2; squeeze: 2.30.5-6squeeze5; wheezy: 3.4.1-8; stretch: 3.14.1-7; jessie: 3.14.1-7; sid: 3.14.1-7 |
| 15:13.12 | SydM107 | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/184609/ |
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| 15:14.30 | AndChat|173801 | shay_shay: no, I press the sleep button on the keyboard. What do you mean coinside? you mean in the logs? how are they called? |
| 15:15.21 | shay_shay | AndChat|173801: no, i mean if it happens after 2 minutes, is your system set to turn off the screen after two minutes? or sleep, etc |
| 15:15.58 | AndChat|173801 | shay_shay: not that i know of |
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| 15:16.37 | jelly | SydM107: which interactive shell are you using? |
| 15:16.40 | babilen | SydM107: Which shell is that? |
| 15:16.42 | shay_shay | AndChat|173801: anyways, i gtg to work now. you need to figure out through process of elimination and checking logs what is actually happening. it could be your laptop has some proprietary thing which only works with the windows drivers installed, so you should be hitting up google to see if anyone else has had this problem |
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| 15:17.47 | SydM107 | i dont know |
| 15:17.48 | shay_shay | AndChat|173801: as soon as you can reproduce it manually or know precisely what causes it then you're 80% the way to your solution. actually fixing it is the last 20% |
| 15:18.13 | AndChat|173801 | ok |
| 15:19.35 | babilen | SydM107: What does "getent passwd kerry" give you? |
| 15:20.05 | babilen | (remove private information such as your name if you want) |
| 15:20.14 | SydM107 | doing echo $shell gives me /bin/tcsh |
| 15:21.11 | themill | /msg dpkg pal me |
| 15:21.37 | SydM107 | doing that command gives no output |
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| 15:21.54 | HD|Laptop | how can I with make both log the make output/stderr to the console AND to a file for later review?? |
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| 15:24.12 | babilen | SydM107: you really don't want to use tcsh as shell, I'd switch to bash by running "chsh -s /bin/bash kerry" |
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| 15:24.46 | SydM107 | sorry my wifi router is shitting itself |
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| 15:24.55 | babilen | SydM107: you really don't want to use tcsh as shell, I'd switch to bash by running "chsh -s /bin/bash kerry" |
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| 15:25.20 | babilen | (or learn that shell and figure out how to set environment variables and pass COLUMNS set to 200) |
| 15:25.26 | SydM107 | what is tcsh? |
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| 15:25.46 | babilen | The shell you are using -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tcsh |
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| 15:25.58 | babilen | (I have no idea *why* you are using that shell though) |
| 15:26.27 | SydM107 | it's what it came with |
| 15:26.42 | babilen | Then shout at whoever configured that for you |
| 15:26.48 | SydM107 | will do |
| 15:26.54 | jelly | setenv ! |
| 15:27.06 | SydM107 | switching to bash then |
| 15:27.09 | babilen | (it is far from a default setting and would, as a default, simply confuse users) |
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| 15:27.36 | SydM107 | I know that my debian is customized by my university |
| 15:27.37 | babilen | jelly: Does that work like "COLUMNS=200 dpkg ..." for a single command? |
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| 15:29.03 | teraflop | SydM107: just do bash and paste the output theyre requesting you |
| 15:29.34 | SynrG | SydM107: can you run 'chsh' to change the default? |
| 15:30.14 | SynrG | SydM107: is it a personal debian system or a multiuser university system? |
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| 15:31.55 | SydM107 | fucking wifi |
| 15:32.09 | SydM107 | got a ethernet cable |
| 15:32.32 | SydM107 | so yeah kerry is the name of the computer, not the user |
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| 15:34.06 | SydM107 | and i'm getting an authentication failure for chsh -s /bin/bash "user" |
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| 15:34.59 | jelly | babilen: nope |
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| 15:35.12 | jelly | babilen: but env COLUMNS=200 dpkg ... would |
| 15:36.53 | SydM107 | ok looking through the grub.cfg file I've found the 3 versions |
| 15:37.24 | SydM107 | Debian GNU/Linux, with Linux 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-amd64 |
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| 15:37.39 | SydM107 | Debian GNU/Linux, with Linux 3.12-0.bpo.1-amd64 |
| 15:37.54 | SydM107 | Debian GNU/Linux, with Linux 3.2.0-4-amd64 |
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| 15:38.50 | SydM107 | the only one that I can get a login screen is linux 3.2.0-4 |
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| 15:39.59 | SynrG | SydM107: i don't think you need to specify user if you just want to chsh for the current logged in user |
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| 15:42.19 | SydM107 | in any case I'm getting an authentication failure for chsh |
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| 15:43.14 | irrep | I want to install a minimal installation and use Awesome WM as the graphical thing. Which display manager can I use and how would I configure it? |
| 15:43.22 | irrep | Installing xdm did not start it automatically on Jessie |
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| 15:44.12 | SydM107 | k i think i used chsh -s successfully |
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| 15:45.03 | SydM107 | yup |
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| 15:45.39 | SydM107 | now when I log into a pure textual environment it comes up as bash |
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| 15:46.12 | SydM107 | but my x terminals are still in tsch |
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| 15:47.17 | SydM107 | kkk |
| 15:47.34 | SydM107 | I think i'm getting the hang of it |
| 15:47.47 | SydM107 | let me rerun that command |
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| 15:50.52 | SydM107 | you still there? |
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| 15:53.21 | SydM107 | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/184618/ |
| 15:53.39 | SydM107 | that's the command using bash |
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| 15:55.49 | babilen | SydM107: that seems to be an OpenVZ system, I am not sure if you can switch kernels there |
| 15:55.59 | SydM107 | ah |
| 15:56.00 | babilen | (and I'm afk now) |
| 15:56.10 | SydM107 | sorry |
| 15:57.01 | SydM107 | have I fucked my system? |
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| 15:58.57 | angevin | if I have a device connected to a usb port when I put my laptop to sleep then awaken it the port remains dormant. I have laptop-mode-tools set to only function on battery power and this happens on AC power too so how do I fix this ? |
| 15:59.01 | angevin | running debian testing |
| 15:59.05 | angevin | Linux blackhole 4.0.0-1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.0.2-1 (2015-05-11) x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 15:59.10 | angevin | with a sid kernel |
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| 15:59.14 | angevin | debian testing with a sid kernel |
| 16:00.18 | angevin | readin the powertop man page is not exactly helpful |
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| 16:03.35 | angevin | screw this I'm going to read the arch linux wiki since debian documentation sucks donkey balls |
| 16:03.39 | irrep | what do I have to install to make slim my DM to use Awesome as my DM? I do not want to install anything heavy |
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| 16:04.34 | angevin | irrep: it used to be pretty straight forward but I think there might be a new systemctl command to set it up now or something |
| 16:04.53 | angevin | systemd screwing up many years of acquired unix knowledge |
| 16:04.54 | irrep | angevin: systemctl enable slim tells me that there is no install section there |
| 16:05.13 | irrep | angevin: yep, I am new to systemd as well, Ubuntu switched just a few months ago as well |
| 16:05.26 | angevin | yeah |
| 16:06.00 | irrep | At least /etc/X11/default-display-manager is set to slim |
| 16:06.27 | irrep | 2007 is remining me that I have to change the default runlevel to 5 |
| 16:06.28 | shay_shay | angevin: this is the wrong channel for testing support anyways... goto irc.OFTC.net #debian-next |
| 16:06.33 | irrep | I guess that is not applicable now |
| 16:06.46 | shay_shay | stretch/sid isn't supported here |
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| 16:07.49 | angevin | irrep: I dunno but the arch linux wiki has a whole section devoted to slim installation and configuration and while arch documentation is not always 100% applicable debian users are smart enough to read between the lines etc.. |
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| 16:09.27 | shay_shay | its almost always applicable, the packages are bundled differently that's it |
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| 16:13.17 | shay_shay | the only time its not applicable is when they say its not officially supported in arch so you have to go on AUR and jump through hoops X Y and Z |
| 16:13.28 | shay_shay | that doesn't happen nearly as often on debian |
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| 16:14.49 | angevin | shay_shay: whatever the only distribution that doesn't have weird idiosynracies that is applicable among distros (except for BSD init vs systemd now) is slackware all other distros have their non-universal weird non-unix shit including debian |
| 16:14.57 | irrep | angevin: as you already pointed out, the Arch Wiki is damn good |
| 16:15.02 | angevin | remmie: yeah |
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| 16:45.26 | Mousey | ahoy internets! |
| 16:45.27 | c0mrade | <c0mrade> I can |
| 16:45.27 | c0mrade | <c0mrade> ! |
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| 16:45.51 | c0mrade | Um. |
| 16:45.54 | c0mrade | Hehe. |
| 16:45.56 | c0mrade | Anyone interested in free hosting on a home server? I offer up to 5GB of RAM and 500GB of HDD space and you choose any OS with full root access. The only bottleneck is the internet speed which is a bit slow. |
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| 16:47.41 | swordsmanz | codebam umm you serious o-o |
| 16:47.56 | swordsmanz | c0mrade * |
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| 16:49.03 | c0mrade | Yup. |
| 16:49.05 | c0mrade | Serious. |
| 16:49.22 | c0mrade | Well the only bottleneck is the internet connection speed which is a bit slow but it's good for basic hosting and testing. |
| 16:49.50 | irrep | c0mrade: and what is your advantage of hosting a bunch of VMs on your server? Don't you have to pay for electricity? |
| 16:50.07 | c0mrade | I use VMware and vSphere for virtualization so kernel customization is fully supported not like regular VPS hosting that usually use OpenVZ or Virtuozzo containers... |
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| 16:50.50 | c0mrade | irrep: I have three servers and they don't consume a lot of power, I have two UPSes also. |
| 16:50.58 | swordsmanz | c0mrade why you giveing away free boxes o-o |
| 16:51.12 | irrep | c0mrade: I'd like an Ubuntu 14.04 Server box, then |
| 16:51.41 | irrep | I could use a root server for some Django deployments |
| 16:51.41 | c0mrade | It's a contribution to the world and I want to help out students or people willing to learn or anyone who wants to host or something and try out compiling or setting up a server online or something. |
| 16:52.20 | c0mrade | irrep: I've got a Lot of Ubuntu iso images that I quickly deploy. I also download any distro or OS that you want and deploy it. |
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| 16:52.32 | c0mrade | I already have Ubuntu 14.04.2 LTS 64 bit Server.... |
| 16:52.38 | irrep | c0mrade: that's perfect! |
| 16:52.39 | c0mrade | I give full root access as well. |
| 16:52.50 | jelly | c0mrade: UPS? multihosted internet? :-) |
| 16:52.51 | irrep | that is very cool, then I can just use Ansible on it :-) |
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| 16:53.14 | teraflop | ^ |
| 16:53.26 | c0mrade | UPS = Uninterruptable Power Suply. |
| 16:53.32 | irrep | teraflop: ? |
| 16:53.52 | c0mrade | Yup. I used Ansible once and I also used to use Fabric. |
| 16:54.05 | c0mrade | Supply* |
| 16:54.07 | irrep | c0mrade: I stumbled across Fabric, but I forgot what it was ... |
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| 16:54.38 | c0mrade | It's like Ansible but it supports connection over something that is called a gateway host. |
| 16:54.39 | swordsmanz | c0mrade tempting bull will pass so many vpses and boxes to look after as it is :S |
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| 16:55.13 | c0mrade | swordsmanz: What do you mean? |
| 16:55.24 | jelly | s/bull/but/ probably |
| 16:55.37 | irrep | I guess he already has an army of servers to watch out for |
| 16:55.39 | swordsmanz | yeah what jelly said |
| 16:55.52 | swordsmanz | irrep not an army just too many |
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| 16:56.05 | irrep | swordsmanz: I assume you already use a configuration management system? |
| 16:56.06 | teraflop | irrep: im doing ^ |
| 16:56.08 | grim210 | so i have a crazy question: how do I get more than the first 3 DVDs for debian stable? The checksums list 13 images, but I only see 3 images avaible for download on http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.0.0/amd64/bt-dvd/ |
| 16:56.16 | swordsmanz | wants to put everything on oen colo /dedi server soon |
| 16:56.24 | c0mrade | Oh. |
| 16:56.26 | jelly | !tell grim210 about jigdo |
| 16:56.33 | swordsmanz | irrep i am not |
| 16:56.41 | grim210 | thank you! |
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| 16:56.49 | swordsmanz | proberbly part of the problem not haveing them as a single network |
| 16:57.02 | c0mrade | I am in the process of getting a dedicated server. I've look and browsed online and google and researched and asked opinions and chatted with Live Support Agents.... |
| 16:57.06 | irrep | swordsmanz: with Ansible you only need SSH access to each of them |
| 16:57.06 | c0mrade | What do you recommend. |
| 16:57.20 | dondelelcaro | c0mrade: it's not on topic here; try #debian-offtopic or similar. |
| 16:57.26 | c0mrade | I am going to get a pretty good dedicated server with IPv6 support and lots of RAM. |
| 16:58.04 | swordsmanz | irrep any foss alternatives ? |
| 16:58.06 | c0mrade | Like 256GB of RAM and probably 512GB of RAM and maybe a dual-hexacore processor server with some storage and offer free hosting on it as well. |
| 16:58.14 | c0mrade | My budget is going to be like 450$/month. |
| 16:58.36 | irrep | swordsmanz: Ansible is FOSS. Ansible Tower is not. But you do not need that, Tower is just a GUI to take the money from the management :-) |
| 16:59.09 | irrep | c0mrade: wow, that is quite a budget. I currently have EUR 10/month for my personal website ... |
| 16:59.25 | swordsmanz | thanks Iiiak |
| 16:59.31 | swordsmanz | irrep * |
| 16:59.40 | swordsmanz | i will look into seting it up o-o |
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| 17:00.10 | c0mrade | swordsmanz: So what do you recommend for a dedicated server? Like I said I have a 450$/month budget... |
| 17:00.13 | irrep | swordsmanz: I found it rather easy. I use it at home for my desktops and so on. The syntax is easy to learn and the documentation good |
| 17:00.18 | petn-randall | !ot |
| 17:00.18 | dpkg_ | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 17:00.43 | c0mrade | I have a channel which is #onabox and most of the people there have VMs on my server. |
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| 17:03.34 | freddyb | I have a problem with apt. It wants to install packages that I never (willingly?) selected and I can't seem to continue with my dist-upgrade without them. problem is, I don't have enough space for what apt proposes. apt-get -f install output here: https://dpaste-bkero.paas.allizom.org/AUJO |
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| 17:05.28 | freddyb | (df -h says about 140M avail) |
| 17:05.40 | swordsmanz | c0mrade will be whatever i can afford |
| 17:06.10 | petn-randall | freddyb: Looks like you unwillingly upgraded your system. |
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| 17:07.04 | c0mrade | swordsmanz: But I mean what would you recommend me. Like what hosting provider... |
| 17:07.18 | c0mrade | rackspace, godaddy, softlayer, hostgator, 1and1 etc... |
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| 17:07.47 | swordsmanz | codebam mostly i use budget vpses but i do have a smartos instance |
| 17:07.55 | swordsmanz | with joyent |
| 17:07.59 | petn-randall | freddyb: What is the output of of 'head -n -0 /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*}'? → http://paste.debian.net |
| 17:08.00 | swordsmanz | that is reallly stable |
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| 17:08.25 | jmd | It seems that debian 8 no longer has /etc/idmapd.conf What should be used instead? |
| 17:08.50 | freddyb | petn-randall: https://dpaste-bkero.paas.allizom.org/tIYT/raw |
| 17:09.00 | swordsmanz | c0mrade * |
| 17:09.35 | c0mrade | Okay. |
| 17:09.56 | c0mrade | budget vpses? |
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| 17:10.05 | c0mrade | That's the hosting provider? |
| 17:10.07 | petn-randall | freddyb: Yeah, you shouldn't have "stable" in there, since jessie is the new stable now and got released a few weeks ago. From here you can probably only read the release notes, take any necessary step and continue with the upgrade. |
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| 17:10.33 | freddyb | petn-randall: gotcha. |
| 17:10.40 | freddyb | petn-randall: (crap.) |
| 17:10.42 | unborn | petn-randall, jessie was out for about month right? |
| 17:10.55 | swordsmanz | c0mrade its bunch but they are not so good lol |
| 17:11.04 | swordsmanz | like the onces on low end box and the such |
| 17:11.13 | unborn | petn-randall, ive updated my server 3 or 4 weeks ago.. no issues... |
| 17:11.22 | petn-randall | Hi c0mrade, hi swordsmanz, this is mainly Debian support channel. If you want to discuss VPS providers I think there are many available channels to do this. |
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| 17:11.43 | petn-randall | unborn: Do you have 'stable' in your sources.list, or the actual code name? |
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| 17:12.18 | unborn | @ c0mrade and swordsmanz you are more then welcome to chat about servers on #virtualmin.. freely |
| 17:12.48 | freddyb | petn-randall: with so much crap on my system, I'm not thinking whether I should just re-roll. I only use it for one thing these days anyway. |
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| 17:12.57 | freddyb | s/not// |
| 17:13.19 | swordsmanz | c0mrade if you want to continue come to ##neko |
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| 17:13.49 | unborn | petn-randall, well I have to change wheezy to jessie but yes.. once I did the changes in my source list.. then update and distro upgrade everything is smooth - I would say debian 8 is the smoothest distro Ive come across.. since debian 5 eh |
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| 17:15.01 | petn-randall | unborn: That's totally expected :). freddyb's case is completely different, though. He accidentally had 'stable' in their, and upgraded his system half-way without preparation. Not quite the same scenario :) |
| 17:15.21 | petn-randall | s/their/his sources.list/ |
| 17:16.15 | unborn | petn-randall, ah yay I see :) perhaps I did not understand his question in start. take my apology please. cheers |
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| 17:20.11 | unborn | yeah I did not understand the question properly perhaps I thought he've done same as me.. lol |
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| 17:20.38 | petn-randall | unborn: no prob :) |
| 17:20.40 | freddyb | petn-randall: I think I have an idea ho to go from here. the release notes tell me how to find stuff I can remove and in the worst case, there are docs on how to proceed with a minimal upgrade. we'll see how this goes |
| 17:20.55 | freddyb | thanks |
| 17:21.08 | petn-randall | freddyb: If you run 'apt-get clean' you might already get enough free space to proceed. |
| 17:21.28 | petn-randall | freddyb: Or, you know, clean up your machine. ;P |
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| 17:22.38 | DocMAX2 | does anybody care what i say? |
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| 17:23.19 | freddyb | petn-randall: I have a very small disk. cleaning up is not that easy with just 2G available |
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| 17:23.33 | unborn | DocMAX2, I was offline when you shoot your question. Sorry.. can you pull it out again please? |
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| 17:24.55 | DocMAX2 | the problem is hyper-v & dynamic memory management |
| 17:25.01 | DocMAX2 | doesnt work right |
| 17:25.11 | DocMAX2 | i shall test this with testing |
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| 17:26.10 | unborn | DocMAX2, I am sorry but cannot help you with that one. my knowledge is limited in this and rather give you bad advice - I would rather wait till someone more knowledge would appear :( |
| 17:26.20 | SydM107 | babilen: are you there? |
| 17:26.29 | r3m | ,v wego |
| 17:26.30 | judd | No package named 'wego' was found in amd64. |
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| 17:26.38 | SydM107 | babilen: if you are, I fixed it |
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| 17:27.31 | SydM107 | babilen: the other linux versions are still listed but I'm back to the exact same functionality |
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| 17:28.54 | SydM107 | babilen: I have purged the all nvidia packages then reintalled the ones I had before. Luckily my xorg.conf was backed up |
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| 17:29.57 | SydM107 | babilen: Thanks for all of your help |
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| 17:32.35 | petn-randall | freddyb: My installation is doing fine with just ~500MB. Depends on how easy you can shovel data on and off that machine, though :/ |
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| 17:35.34 | freddyb | petn-randall: yeah, I'm running a squeezebox server, which is quite a few hundred Ms of perl sh*t. I'm rsyncing it off of the server, to make room this moment :-) |
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| 17:38.48 | freddyb | petn-randall: OK, I removed quite a lot of stuff (local files, etc.) I still feel like I need to remove all of the texlive cruft from my selection, but somehow fail to (see my first dpaste link) |
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| 17:39.27 | freddyb | petn-randall: locale files*, man pages, etc. I have 446M free, but apt-get says it may need 561M |
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| 17:40.12 | freddyb | petn-randall: but I _really_ dont want all of those texlive nonsense. |
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| 17:48.53 | papermate | Hi guys, I have some troubles with pinentry. It gives me a "warn: pinentry-curses: no LC_CTYPE known - assuming UTF-8" when I use it. I tried pasting a export GPG_TTY=$(tty) in my .bashrc and rebooting, or giving a export GPG_TTY=`tty`, but I still have the same problem. I also noticed that only pubring.gpg is in my .gnupg, no conf file at all. |
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| 17:50.37 | papermate | I installed gnupg-agent, grepping it, manually starting the daemon, no luck. I run a headless debian 7, and any help is appreciated :) |
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| 17:54.40 | hyper-googler | hi can anyone tell me if there is a limit to the apt-cache size ? I seem to find that multiple apt-get installs causes it to error out and an apt-get clean fixes it...is there a way to increase this cache size...it doesnt seem to be a hard drive limit |
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| 17:58.06 | freddyb | hyper-googler: it _should_ be the hard drive limit. it's stored in /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 17:59.33 | hyper-googler | ok thanks maybe I am looking at the wrong partition..thanks |
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| 18:00.02 | somiaj | hyper-googler: the limit is harddrive space, debs are stored in /var/cache/apt/archives, if the partition with /var on it fills up, you can't download any more packages. |
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| 18:00.30 | somiaj | hyper-googler: all apt-get clean does is delete all the .deb files it downloaded (these are never deleted automatically by standard setups) |
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| 18:01.29 | hyper-googler | seems like it might have to do with /tmp what does this put there? |
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| 18:02.22 | somiaj | hyper-googler: there shouldn't be much put in temp. If apt-get clean fixes it, it is due to size limits in /var/cache/apt/ |
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| 18:02.47 | somiaj | hyper-googler: df -h, how much space do you have in the partition that contains /var? |
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| 18:03.38 | hyper-googler | seems to be low but it says something about being able to write to tmp...could just be an error |
| 18:04.06 | hyper-googler | even tmp partition is only 1% used but after a reboot and apt-get clean it works again |
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| 18:06.08 | somiaj | I asked for a number, how much space to have on the partition that contains /var |
| 18:06.12 | somiaj | well /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 18:07.09 | hyper-googler | figured out the problem it installed rtkit daemon which is for root kit detection now apt is broken because of it |
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| 18:07.16 | hyper-googler | and so i cant remove it |
| 18:08.03 | somiaj | you keep jumping around. And unless you give us some actual output or answer to questions we ask we can't be of much help. |
| 18:08.17 | hyper-googler | 2 Gig of space |
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| 18:08.24 | hyper-googler | its the rootkit daemon i am sure |
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| 18:10.24 | hyper-googler | thanks for the help guys |
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| 18:21.26 | SydM107 | my google chrome resolution is wierd |
| 18:21.32 | SydM107 | everything is huge |
| 18:22.44 | somiaj | SydM107: check the 'zoom' did it get increased above 100% (hit ctrl-plus or ctrl-minus |
| 18:22.59 | SydM107 | nope |
| 18:23.14 | SydM107 | at 100% everything is huge |
| 18:23.29 | SydM107 | like as if it were at a lower resolution |
| 18:23.49 | SydM107 | I cant find anything in the settings for it |
| 18:23.53 | somiaj | SydM107: what is the dpi setting of your system? |
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| 18:24.17 | SydM107 | it's only chrome that's doing it |
| 18:24.30 | SydM107 | everything else is fine |
| 18:24.48 | somiaj | SydM107: I noticed that chromium doens't like strange dpi settings in a recent update |
| 18:24.58 | somiaj | SydM107: what is the output of "xdpyinfo | grep dots" |
| 18:26.02 | SydM107 | 130*131 dpi |
| 18:26.05 | SydM107 | that is wierd |
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| 18:28.56 | somiaj | SydM107: yea very high, also the new chromium does strange things if the dpi is set to a value it didn't like. I use to have my dpi set at 100x100 and latest chromium update was fuzzy. Found the fix was making sure your dpi is 96x96 |
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| 18:29.54 | SydM107 | i have a 17" screen with 1920x1080 |
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| 18:31.24 | somiaj | again I'm just saying that the current chormium doesn't mess well with strange dpi settings anymore. And gnome and other desktops are forcing a dpi of 96x96 and then you can use font scaling if you need bigger fonts. |
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| 18:32.49 | SydM107 | when was this update |
| 18:33.04 | SydM107 | cause it only started today |
| 18:33.29 | somiaj | depends on when you updated chromium, but it was new in versoin 43 |
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| 18:34.09 | SydM107 | must be that then |
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| 18:34.44 | somiaj | SydM107: https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=490192&q=font%20dpi&colspec=ID%20Pri%20M%20Week%20ReleaseBlock%20Cr%20Status%20Owner%20Summary%20OS%20Modified -- that is the issue that effected me, look at comment number 11 saying vairous bugs from people having different dpi settings |
| 18:34.59 | somiaj | SydM107: https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=490880&q=font%20dpi&colspec=ID%20Pri%20M%20Week%20ReleaseBlock%20Cr%20Status%20Owner%20Summary%20OS%20Modified -- that is your issue, but again due to dpi setting |
| 18:35.08 | somiaj | SydM107: what fixed it for me was setting my dpi to 96x96 |
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| 18:39.35 | SydM107 | well looks like im going back to firefox |
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| 18:43.15 | somiaj | SydM107: or adjust your dpi issue, read the bug reports see if there is something you can do. |
| 18:43.32 | poorrick | Can anyone help me find info on installing linux headers from scratch? I need the ones for 4.0.4 |
| 18:43.56 | greycat | Are you actually running Linux 4.0.4? |
| 18:44.30 | poorrick | not at the moment. I have no internet access when running it |
| 18:44.41 | somiaj | poorrick: what do you mean by linux headers from scratch? |
| 18:44.55 | greycat | Ah, so your intent is to build a network driver of some kind for linux 4.0.4 on a machine that's running 3.x? |
| 18:45.01 | somiaj | poorrick: if you compile the kernel from source, the source is the headers. If you install debian packages, you have to install the linux-headers package seperatally. |
| 18:45.24 | poorrick | greycat: bingo |
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| 18:45.41 | greycat | if 4.0.4 is a debian package, then you should be able to install the matching debian linux-headers package |
| 18:45.56 | poorrick | greycat: that's just it, it's not |
| 18:46.31 | greycat | If it's a self-built Linux kernel then the ONLY source of the correct headers for it is the machine on which you built it. |
| 18:46.35 | poorrick | somiaj: Is there a place that explains how to make the heders usable? |
| 18:46.52 | poorrick | headers* |
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| 18:47.13 | greycat | ,v linux-image-amd64 |
| 18:47.14 | judd | Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.6.32+29; squeeze-backports: 3.2+46~bpo60+1; wheezy: 3.2+46; wheezy-backports: 3.16+63~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.16+63; stretch: 3.16+63; sid: 4.0+64 |
| 18:47.31 | greycat | Sid's 4.0 won't work for you? |
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| 18:48.21 | poorrick | greycat: I don't know, will it? I understood that the kernel in sid was 4.0.0 or 4.0.1 |
| 18:48.41 | poorrick | Hang on, what about 'make headers-install' |
| 18:48.53 | _raven_ | petn-randall: hi again |
| 18:49.18 | greycat | "Waiting for packages.debian.org..." |
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| 18:50.28 | greycat | Package: linux-image-4.0.0-1-amd64 (4.0.2-1) |
| 18:50.33 | greycat | Apparently sid currently has 4.0.2 |
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| 18:51.09 | greycat | but... wait... why does it show "linux_4.0.4.orig.tar.xz" in the side bar?? |
| 18:51.10 | Cpuroast | normal |
| 18:51.38 | Cpuroast | 4.0.0 is the package name |
| 18:51.45 | Cpuroast | 4.0.2 is the actual version |
| 18:51.49 | Cpuroast | even says in what you pasted |
| 18:51.50 | Cpuroast | :) |
| 18:52.15 | greycat | So why does it say 4.0.2 in the big bold line, and linux_4.0.4 in the side bar where it lists the source code? |
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| 18:52.28 | HRH_H_Crab | hi, i am trying to make a jessie install iso with console support. |
| 18:52.40 | _raven_ | petn-randall: i now confirmed: its not the disk what slows down, its btrfs with every gb what makes transaction slow down |
| 18:52.47 | somiaj | poorrick: the headers are the linux source. If you have the linux source located at /some/dir/on/your/machine/linux-4.0.4, then point the drivers at that dir and it will use them as the headers. |
| 18:52.47 | HRH_H_Crab | there are loads of documents on the web about this, but they all say to edit a file called txt.cfg |
| 18:52.56 | HRH_H_Crab | that seems to be missing from newer isos. can anyone advise? |
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| 18:53.22 | HRH_H_Crab | somiaj: i tried booting a standard iso. i just get a one liner with the isolinux version and then my console stops updating. |
| 18:53.24 | somiaj | poorrick: if you got this linux image from a debian package, you will have to install the linux headers package which puts them in a common place for drivers to find them. |
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| 18:53.52 | somiaj | HRH_H_Crab: I forget that is before or after you select the boot options? |
| 18:53.54 | greycat | ,v linux-image-4.0.0-1-amd64 |
| 18:53.55 | judd | Package: linux-image-4.0.0-1-amd64 on amd64 -- sid: 4.0.2-1 |
| 18:54.08 | HRH_H_Crab | somiaj: what do you mean by boot options? |
| 18:54.20 | HRH_H_Crab | i think its whatever passes for a "bootloader" in iso world |
| 18:54.28 | HRH_H_Crab | so its not even got anywhere near loading a kernel. |
| 18:54.57 | greycat | wonders if the maintainers are really doing 4.0.4 but forgot to update the version string |
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| 18:55.07 | somiaj | HRH_H_Crab: but that loading isolinux is somethin gyou don't see when you try your custom iso you create? |
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| 18:55.33 | HRH_H_Crab | well ive stopped messing around with custom isos. |
| 18:55.38 | somiaj | greycat: both judd and p.d.o can be slightly outdated if the package was updated in the last hour or so. |
| 18:55.55 | somiaj | HRH_H_Crab: I was just saying this would confirm wether your custom iso was booting correctly or you destroyed the headers |
| 18:55.56 | HRH_H_Crab | i put my faith in that document that said that the installer should detect i was booting over a serial line and it would autodetect. |
| 18:55.58 | poorrick | somiaj: Ok, that makes sense. So there's no command to put them where they need to be per se. |
| 18:56.02 | HRH_H_Crab | sadly it seems to have been misplaced. |
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| 18:56.41 | greycat | ,v linux-image-4.0.0-2-amd64 |
| 18:56.43 | judd | No package named 'linux-image-4.0.0-2-amd64' was found in amd64. |
| 18:57.36 | somiaj | HRH_H_Crab: anyways I don't use serial consoles so no experience I can only go by documentation and experience with the debian iso. I'm unsure why it isn't detecting it correctly, I would leave this for someone who actually has exerpience with such things. |
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| 18:57.45 | HSorgYves | mpt-status returns "ioctl: No such device" although i got a perc h200... anyone an idea? |
| 18:57.46 | somiaj | HRH_H_Crab: random though, could you put a video card in the system just to install? |
| 18:57.59 | HRH_H_Crab | somiaj: no. |
| 18:58.29 | HRH_H_Crab | somiaj: i think i need someone with experience of the debian iso structure and debian installer more than a person who knows a lot about serial consoles though. |
| 18:58.37 | greycat | http://mirrors.bloomu.edu/debian/pool/main/l/linux/linux_4.0.4-1.dsc mentions linux-image-4.0.0-2-amd64 but I guess we need to wait for everything to catch up |
| 18:58.49 | somiaj | HRH_H_Crab: well at least someone who knows issues with installing debian over a serial console, but either way. (: |
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| 18:59.58 | somiaj | poorrick: the standard place is to put then in /usr/src, but you still have to tell the drivers where to find the headers. I think many things will look for /usr/src/linux (a link to the actual version), but smarter drivers will look though the different directories there. Either way if you have the kernel source you should be able to point the module you want to compile at the headers. |
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| 19:01.13 | poorrick | somiaj: So moving the kernel source to /usr/src should be sufficient |
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| 19:02.10 | HRH_H_Crab | somiaj: i think anyone that knows what files in the iso structure i need to edit to apply those boot options that you or whoever else was helping me out suggested would probably suffice. |
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| 19:04.14 | cusco | (j samba |
| 19:04.16 | cusco | sorry |
| 19:04.22 | poorrick | Well, I guess I'll go see myself. Thanks a ton for the help |
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| 19:11.15 | poorrick | ls |
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| 19:11.18 | poorrick | oops |
| 19:11.53 | FlyingPersian | hi. I can't install linux-headers for some reason on my debian VM :/ |
| 19:12.01 | FlyingPersian | can somebody help me install it properly? |
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| 19:12.50 | greycat | sudo apt-get install "linux-headers-$(uname -r)" |
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| 19:12.57 | FlyingPersian | I did just that |
| 19:13.03 | FlyingPersian | hang on, let me do it again to show you the error |
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| 19:18.08 | FlyingPersian | run-parts: executing /etc/kernel/header_postinst.d/dkms 3.16.0-4-586 |
| 19:18.08 | FlyingPersian | Error! Bad return status for module build on kernel: 3.16.0-4-586 (i686) |
| 19:18.08 | FlyingPersian | Consult /var/lib/dkms/vboxguest/4.3.12/build/make.log for more information. |
| 19:18.17 | FlyingPersian | @ greycat, that's my error |
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| 19:18.39 | poorrick | FlyingPersian: It'd help to get the contents of that file |
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| 19:18.47 | FlyingPersian | yes working on it |
| 19:18.50 | FlyingPersian | hang on a sec |
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| 19:20.45 | SunBuggy | Hello |
| 19:20.48 | xXx_GAY_POO_xXx | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:20.48 | xXx_GAY_POO_xXx | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:20.48 | xXx_GAY_POO_xXx | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:21.16 | xXx_GAY_POO_xXx | http://paste.debian.net |
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| 19:22.09 | poorrick | FlyingPersian: Did you just try to copypasta the entire file? |
| 19:22.31 | FlyingPersian | no it's not easy to get it because the share file just disappeared |
| 19:22.41 | FlyingPersian | debian is in a VM, so give me 1 more min |
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| 19:26.40 | FlyingPersian | http://pastebin.com/mLzQQgev |
| 19:26.45 | FlyingPersian | @ poorrick |
| 19:26.58 | diginet | is there any harm in disabling logging? rsyslogd is using an rather large amount of RAM |
| 19:27.02 | FlyingPersian | this is the file I had earlier today, I'm working on the file from now to confirm it's the sae |
| 19:27.03 | FlyingPersian | same |
| 19:27.23 | ompaul | diginet: like all loaded questions, what is that box doing |
| 19:28.09 | diginet | ompaul: it's a VPN. Actually a better question to ask is if there is anyway to decrease it. |
| 19:28.16 | greycat | rsyslogd is using ~3 MB of memory on my workstation |
| 19:28.18 | diginet | right now it's 7% of RAM |
| 19:28.22 | diginet | for me |
| 19:29.36 | ompaul | diginet: it's a vpn ... why is it logging |
| 19:29.36 | poorrick | FlyingPersian: What's your output for 'uname -r' |
| 19:29.48 | FlyingPersian | 3.16.0-4-586 @ poorrick |
| 19:29.56 | diginet | ompaul: I dunno, I never set it up explicitly to. |
| 19:30.05 | greycat | Did you really mean VPS? |
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| 19:30.52 | ompaul | diginet: ^^ was greycat right |
| 19:31.01 | diginet | ompaul: yes, stupid mistake :P |
| 19:31.06 | unborn | diginet, on my server it does eats 130Megs of ram per 100 users logged in same time.. |
| 19:31.20 | unborn | this is including samba and re-routing |
| 19:31.24 | unborn | plus dns |
| 19:31.30 | diginet | that's a lot |
| 19:31.34 | greycat | It's also using ~3 MB of RAM on my wheezy VPS. |
| 19:31.59 | greycat | You are looking at the RSS number, right? |
| 19:32.16 | diginet | greycat: yeah |
| 19:32.25 | diginet | ps aux --sort +rss |
| 19:32.29 | diginet | it's at the very bottom |
| 19:32.59 | unborn | diginet, possibly you are right but users are mapped to * ips plus all of them use separate user name and passwd.. I have 3 gigs of real ram and I am able to be in 1024 megs all the time.. no matter what they do.. eh |
| 19:33.13 | greycat | I don't know what would cause it to use that much memory. |
| 19:33.36 | diginet | greycat: yeah, it's rather curious. Is it safe to restart rsyslogd? |
| 19:33.40 | unborn | greycat, have look who is logged into system.. |
| 19:33.45 | greycat | It should be, as far as I know. |
| 19:33.50 | poorrick | FlyingPersian: It seems like your headers are already installed. And then something freaks out with the drivers. |
| 19:33.57 | greycat | unborn: just me. (Why would active login sessions matter?) |
| 19:34.14 | FlyingPersian | is it possible that this is caused because virtualbox runs in a jail on FreeNAS? |
| 19:34.18 | FlyingPersian | @ poorrick |
| 19:34.23 | FlyingPersian | debian is just a VM |
| 19:34.36 | poorrick | Because it's able to get to /usr/src/linux-headers-[kernel headers] |
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| 19:34.51 | diginet | well, I restarted it and now it's down to 0.2% |
| 19:34.53 | diginet | so that's good |
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| 19:35.09 | greycat | poorrick: well, it's a post-install script. I have no idea why a post-install script is compiling things, but.... |
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| 19:35.57 | unborn | greycat, as you are on server - it adds ram consumption to your system.. if you run dns via your vpn as well it does take few megs out.. but clients generally eats some ram from server as they use - I have no idea why is this happening but I can tell that if users are connected I am above 1 gig of ram.. usually 340 megs up.. |
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| 19:36.26 | greycat | unborn: none of this explains why rsyslogd would use more memory while users are logged in. |
| 19:36.29 | poorrick | greycat: Maybe it's forcing the drivers to cooperate? |
| 19:36.34 | unborn | greycat, I guess its just processes to process the vpn |
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| 19:36.52 | poorrick | I need to go run some errands. Have to put this down for a while, sry people. |
| 19:37.03 | unborn | greycat, - why rsyslogd? |
| 19:37.09 | greycat | All rsyslogd should be doing is listening for syslog() messages on a unix domain socket. |
| 19:37.18 | greycat | And writing them to files. |
| 19:37.27 | unborn | greycat, I am not even loggin system logs for vpn due to privacy |
| 19:37.28 | unborn | eh |
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| 19:41.28 | unborn | greycat, I am sorry but I think I cannot help you as I would not support anything to loggin vpn logs due to privacy issues I would have with open source and my users.. its against my believes. sorry. |
| 19:41.58 | greycat | I'm not the one seeking help. I'm just trying to understand why diginet is reporting outrageously high memory use from a simple logging daemon. |
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| 19:43.27 | unborn | greycat, ask diginet please :) |
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| 19:44.48 | diginet | greycat: I dunno, but like I said, I restarted it and the problem went away |
| 19:45.07 | greycat | http://wiki.rsyslog.com/index.php/Reducing_memory_usage |
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| 19:53.03 | Guest65270 | Hello, I have broken/removed /etc/init.d/network wich package containts these to reinstall? thank you! |
| 19:53.24 | greycat | package ifupdown in jessie |
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| 19:53.38 | greycat | err wait... that's /etc/init.d/networking not /etc/init.d/network |
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| 19:54.25 | greycat | I don't HAVE an /etc/init.d/network on wheezy or jessie |
| 19:54.33 | Guest65270 | thank you, I am with shame but is for sarge.. so I hope is the same. (yes I know that is older as hell) but I need for that.. |
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| 19:55.00 | greycat | Try "dpkg -S init.d/network" and see what it says. |
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| 19:55.44 | unborn | ...it will fail lol :) |
| 19:56.09 | greycat | let's find out |
| 19:56.31 | unborn | greycat, as you wish :) |
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| 20:00.31 | DocMAX2 | how do i switch from jessie to testing best way? |
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| 20:00.42 | greycat | There's only one way. |
| 20:01.35 | unborn | greycat, yes. |
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| 20:07.59 | Guest65270 | greycat: Trying to reinstall ifupdown I get this error "unable to open files list file for package `netbase': Input/output error" |
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| 20:08.14 | greycat | input/output error is a baaad sign |
| 20:08.27 | greycat | check "dmesg | tail" for other hardware errors |
| 20:09.37 | moozzz | DocMAX2: by changing "jessie" to "testing" in your /etc/apt/sources.list and then "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" and then praying =) |
| 20:10.39 | Guest65270 | greycat: so.. I cannt do nothing then :( |
| 20:11.05 | greycat | Did you find disk errors in dmesg? |
| 20:11.29 | DocMAX2 | moozzz |
| 20:11.39 | DocMAX2 | i did so with "unstable" |
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| 20:11.49 | marieta | AMD sempron 2000 is suppose to install what kind of distro architecture? i686 and i386 seems to fail on boot livecd. |
| 20:11.49 | DocMAX2 | some URLs did not exist |
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| 20:11.59 | DocMAX2 | is it better with "testing"? |
| 20:12.11 | greycat | There's an #angband channel... you could ask them. |
| 20:12.12 | Guest65270 | greycat: not now, but i think that was just error before reboot |
| 20:12.16 | greycat | crap, sorry |
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| 20:12.47 | moozzz | DocMAX2: what do you mean with some urls do not exist? maybe you indicated a non-existing debian mirror in your source.list? |
| 20:13.17 | DocMAX2 | they all point to ftp.debian.com |
| 20:13.51 | DocMAX2 | the URL simply did not exist if i replace "jessie" with "unstable" |
| 20:13.54 | unborn | Guest65270, in human words io error means your hardisk is deign eh |
| 20:14.10 | moozzz | DocMAX2: https://www.debian.org/mirror/list look here and try to take a mirror that is closest to you |
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| 20:15.03 | moozzz | DocMAX2: can you post your source.list on http://paste.debian.net/ and send me the link? |
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| 20:15.11 | DocMAX2 | of course |
| 20:15.35 | moozzz | DocMAX2: I will send you mine now |
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| 20:16.44 | DocMAX2 | http://paste.debian.net/184726/ |
| 20:17.31 | unborn | why on earth you are messing with repos people? |
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| 20:18.48 | drfz | Hi |
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| 20:19.16 | drfz | i have a wireless interface |
| 20:19.32 | drfz | it's not listed by ifconfig |
| 20:19.38 | moozzz | DocMAX2: paste.debian.net/184727 here is mine |
| 20:19.51 | drfz | i can't ifup it |
| 20:20.22 | drfz | it's an ath9k kind of stuff |
| 20:20.28 | drfz | module is loaded |
| 20:20.33 | DocMAX2 | ok i try with "testing" |
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| 20:20.48 | DocMAX2 | because i used unstable |
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| 20:20.53 | unborn | drfz, there is an manual on debian webiste.. |
| 20:21.17 | moozzz | DocMAX2: so are you using jessie or unstable now? |
| 20:21.43 | unborn | *website |
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| 20:23.35 | Grimsley | Start here - http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
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| 20:25.26 | unborn | drfz, ^^^^ |
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| 20:28.02 | drfz | take a shot on my beer |
| 20:29.21 | drfz | take a shot on your beer |
| 20:29.44 | drfz | take a shot on his beer , finally |
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| 20:31.47 | unborn | drfz, we will do.. :) |
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| 20:38.12 | drfz | more than 1 thousand people here |
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| 20:38.37 | drfz | can i try it ? |
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| 20:39.01 | drfz | i have a wireless interface |
| 20:39.25 | drfz | it's not in the out of ifconfig |
| 20:39.36 | drfz | why that ? |
| 20:39.49 | drfz | module is loaded |
| 20:39.52 | drfz | ATH9K |
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| 20:41.20 | jakew | how to unpin a release? apt-get and apt-cache are installing/reporting the wrong priorities and installing packages from jessie and unstable on a wheezy system, and they're set to -10 in preferences. yikes |
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| 20:50.07 | Grimsley | https://wiki.debian.org/ath9k |
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| 20:52.15 | shay_shay | jakew: you shouldnt have anything pinned, and you should only have packages installed from one release unless they are backported\ |
| 20:52.48 | shay_shay | pinning is buggy and unsupported |
| 20:53.00 | shay_shay | unsupported here at least |
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| 21:04.57 | centrx | For setting up CUPS, is this page still accurate? - https://wiki.debian.org/SystemPrinting |
| 21:05.12 | centrx | the dpkg bot has something different - /msg dpkg cups setup |
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| 21:06.00 | Eduard_Munteanu | centrx, seems reasonable to me, are you having trouble with some step in particular? |
| 21:06.02 | greycat | I just use the web interface |
| 21:06.47 | centrx | Eduard_Munteanu, It just has different packages to install |
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| 21:14.35 | moty66 | hello, how can I watch a file or a directory and run a command when content changes |
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| 21:14.54 | moty66 | does monit do the job? |
| 21:15.15 | greycat | moty66: install inotify-tools and then... I don't know, never actually used it. |
| 21:15.36 | tugrik | moty66: I think so |
| 21:15.41 | ZenWalker | hi there |
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| 21:15.55 | moty66 | ok, thanks, I'll check that |
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| 21:16.23 | ZenWalker | since a package appears on packages.qa.debian.org on unstable, how many time to go on the official repositories? |
| 21:16.42 | tugrik | moty66: it will |
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| 21:17.03 | moty66 | tugrik: monit pr notify-tools? |
| 21:17.06 | moty66 | or* |
| 21:17.06 | tugrik | apologies for the earlier vague answer - look in monitrc for "Check a file for existence, checksum, permissions, uid and gid." |
| 21:17.32 | moty66 | perfect ;) |
| 21:17.36 | tugrik | but if you want any change to be noted, rather than just not being the expected checksum, maybe notify-tools... if that is what I think it is |
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| 21:18.15 | jordanm | ZenWalker: less than a week by default |
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| 21:18.29 | jordanm | ZenWalker: to migrate to testing. It will never migrate to stable however |
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| 21:21.56 | ZenWalker | jordanm: thanks (the package is the kernel 4.0.4) |
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| 21:22.34 | jordanm | ZenWalker: kernels often get backported to stable, but there is no guaranteed time frame |
| 21:23.45 | ZenWalker | I have testing :) |
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| 21:36.01 | moty66 | tugrik: seems like incron does exactly what I am looking for |
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| 21:53.19 | jakew | shay_shay: if you're still there.. is there a way to clear some kind of cache to make it read the preferences file again? |
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| 21:56.22 | cash-override | hey guys i need to set eth0 static, in jessie where is the config for this? |
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| 21:57.49 | Fr3d3r1c | hello |
| 21:58.00 | leftist | cash-override https://www.howtoforge.com/perfect-server-debian-wheezy-apache2-bind-dovecot-ispconfig-3-p3 |
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| 21:59.07 | Fr3d3r1c | i have a script that does not work : http://hastebin.com/jipawarixe.bash |
| 21:59.22 | Grimsley | cash-override, https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration |
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| 22:00.55 | cash-override | thanks guys, i honestly just didn't see interfaces in /etc/network so assumed because it's jessie that there was some systemd magic involved |
| 22:02.51 | sine0 | is skype still a whore to setup on debian |
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| 22:26.17 | diginet | is it safe to do sudo rm /var/log/btmp; touch /var/log/btml ? my btmp log file is quite big |
| 22:26.27 | diginet | *btmp |
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| 22:32.05 | sine0 | 22:55 <despher> despher@elite.bshellz.net |
| 22:32.06 | sine0 | 22:55 <despher> aiZai7Od |
| 22:32.06 | sine0 | 23:01 <despher> http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/reviews/top-4-linux-voip-clients |
| 22:32.06 | sine0 | 23:26 <despher> You put yourself in the directory and do |
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| 22:32.33 | abrotman | Brilliant |
| 22:33.08 | despher | thats what friends are for |
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| 22:33.45 | teraflop | is getting old |
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| 22:34.07 | abrotman | diginet: That's a log of failed logins .. you might want to look at it. Also, perhaps fail2ban might be something to look at |
| 22:34.42 | sine0 | < new |
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| 22:35.11 | sine0 | you can trust me with all your passwords |
| 22:35.25 | abrotman | ... |
| 22:35.45 | copyleft7212 | allo... |
| 22:36.34 | p0wersploit | Suuurree my password is P4ssword!123 |
| 22:36.43 | p0wersploit | Have fun. |
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| 22:36.54 | abrotman | !ot |
| 22:36.54 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
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| 22:37.37 | sine0 | pretty secure |
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| 22:39.16 | nettlejam | I have a question about apt and determining if it will make changes, programatically. Basically, I know about the --dry-run option, but if I wanted to have a script that checks whether an apt-get operation will actually make changes... |
| 22:39.27 | nettlejam | (by apt, i mean apt-get) |
| 22:40.00 | nettlejam | ...do I have to resort to trying to parse the rather verbose output of apt-get install foo --dry-run? |
| 22:40.54 | nettlejam | The use case is that this will be applied to many servers via Ansible, and I would like to snapshot their boot volumes if (and only if) apt is going to make changes to installed packages. |
| 22:42.23 | abrotman | nettlejam: this might sound dumb, but wouldn't any new package be considered a change? |
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| 22:43.12 | nettlejam | abrotman: I was thinking more of the case where foo is already installed, but there may be a newer version available. |
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| 22:44.53 | TJ- | nettlejam: how about "--show-upgraded" ? |
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| 22:45.05 | DexterF | hi |
| 22:45.23 | abrotman | nettlejam: you might get better info out of aptitude or what TJ- alluded to |
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| 22:46.16 | abrotman | nettlejam: aptitude search '~U' | wc -l ; I'm sure there's a more elegant way |
| 22:47.15 | nettlejam | TJ-: hmm. seems like --show-upgraded is very similar to --dry-run. I'd still have to parse a bunch of lines looking for the info. |
| 22:47.35 | nettlejam | (which I'm not against doing, but it seems.. hacky) |
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| 22:48.11 | abrotman | nettlejam: the command I gave you outputs a number |
| 22:48.30 | civillian | does anyone know what kind of effects to expect in Debian from the upcoming leap second? |
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| 22:48.43 | abrotman | civillian: you likely won't notice |
| 22:49.00 | civillian | abrotman: does it hang around on 23:59:59 for two seconds? |
| 22:49.17 | nettlejam | abrotman: thanks, was just looking at it (never really touched aptitude before) |
| 22:49.25 | nettlejam | That could work |
| 22:49.40 | civillian | abrotman: or will it tick over as usual and play catch-up via NTP? |
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| 22:51.19 | abrotman | civillian: is this just a desktop? |
| 22:51.43 | jelly | civillian: the leap second is inserted as 23:59:60 |
| 22:52.12 | abrotman | civillian: occasionally, something will crop up when this happens, but over the years,they've weeded out most of the serious issues |
| 22:52.52 | abrotman | civillian: I vaguely recall seeing an article about this a few months ago, they talk about some of the things that had happened in the past |
| 22:53.25 | nyk2005 | I just got a "Penguin Wireless N USB Adapter" for my sheevaplug running wheezy and it shows up in iwconfig as wlan0 ("Mode:Managed, Access Point: Not-Associated, Tx-Power=20 dB"). When I run "iwconfig wlan0 scan", I can see my access point and I also configured it in /etc/network/interfaces like this "auto wlan0, allow-hotplug wlan0, iface wlan0 inet dhcp, wpa-ssid foo, wpa-psk bar", which worked on my raspberryPI with a different wifi card b |
| 22:53.26 | nyk2005 | ut the same access point. How can I get it to associate? |
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| 22:54.35 | Felishia | E: Encountered a section with no Package: header |
| 22:54.35 | Felishia | E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/packages.linuxmint.com_dists_rebecca_import_i18n_Translation-en |
| 22:54.35 | Felishia | E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. |
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| 22:54.43 | Felishia | whaaat? |
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| 22:55.01 | jelly | !mint |
| 22:55.01 | dpkg | Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>. |
| 22:55.11 | jelly | Felishia: ^^ |
| 22:55.20 | civillian | jelly, abrotman: thanks |
| 22:55.37 | Felishia | halp! |
| 22:55.47 | abrotman | Felishia: ask the Mint channel |
| 22:56.47 | DexterF | Felishia: or learn how to disguise your derivate questions as debian questions :D |
| 22:56.53 | Felishia | how did you know? |
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| 22:57.10 | abrotman | Felishia: ask the channel for Mint, this isn't it |
| 22:57.35 | matthiaskrgr | offers abrotman a peppermint |
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| 22:57.54 | DexterF | :) |
| 22:57.58 | FlyingPersian | does anyone know how to resize the main partition with gparted? |
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| 22:58.38 | FlyingPersian | I've added some more GB to my hdd in vbox, but I have to resize the disk in the guest OS (debian) with gparted or some program |
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| 22:59.01 | abrotman | FlyingPersian: did you use LVM? |
| 22:59.20 | nyk2005 | I just got a "Penguin Wireless N USB Adapter" for my sheevaplug running wheezy and it shows up in iwconfig as wlan0 ("Mode:Managed, Access Point: Not-Associated, Tx-Power=20 dB"). When I run "iwconfig wlan0 scan", I see my access point. I configured it in /etc/network/interfaces as "auto wlan0, allow-hotplug wlan0, iface wlan0 inet dhcp, wpa-ssid foo, wpa-psk bar", which worked on a raspberryPI at the same access point. How can I possibly get |
| 22:59.21 | nyk2005 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:59.27 | FlyingPersian | not sure abrotman, I think vdi is the answer to that? |
| 23:00.00 | nettlejam | using apt-get, this works too |
| 23:00.02 | nettlejam | apt-get dist-upgrade -s | awk '/^[[:digit:]]{1,3} upgraded,/{print $1}' |
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| 23:00.46 | nettlejam | To get the number of package that would be installed by that action. I guess from the responses that this or abrotman's aptitude way are more or less it. |
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| 23:01.05 | abrotman | ew |
| 23:01.48 | FlyingPersian | https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=50661 <-- following this, but the virtualbox has poor information on using third party tools |
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| 23:02.54 | nettlejam | Actually.. that doesn't take into account new packages |
| 23:03.03 | nettlejam | bleh. |
| 23:03.17 | nettlejam | You'd think a tool like apt-get that's cli focused would be more friendly to scripting |
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| 23:05.18 | somiaj | nettlejam: installing/removing packages is usually something you don't want to script. Though if all you want is the number of packages needed to be upgraded maybe look at what use to called update-notifier does |
| 23:05.26 | civillian | FlyingPersian: does your VM boot after increasing the vdi size? |
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| 23:05.40 | FlyingPersian | yes, but the size hasn't been added |
| 23:05.47 | FlyingPersian | I'm trying something and following a tut |
| 23:05.48 | civillian | FlyingPersian: according to which test? |
| 23:05.53 | FlyingPersian | df |
| 23:06.05 | civillian | df will only show you filesystem sizes |
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| 23:06.31 | civillian | FlyingPersian: first, confirm the raw disk size has been increased |
| 23:06.32 | nettlejam | somiaj - it definitely becomes something to script if you hundreds of servers :) |
| 23:06.44 | FlyingPersian | not in the debian vm civillian |
| 23:06.54 | somiaj | nettlejam: Isn't that what management systems like puppet are for? |
| 23:07.07 | nettlejam | somiaj - yes, and we are using Ansible. |
| 23:07.17 | civillian | FlyingPersian: yes in the VM, try fdisk -l |
| 23:07.37 | FlyingPersian | hang on, give me 5 mins to finish the tutorial |
| 23:07.38 | nettlejam | but... it has limitations. I am trying to find out whether changes will be made, so I can trigger a snapshot beforehand |
| 23:08.02 | nettlejam | Ansible's apt module does not have this feature, so i wanted to see if I could script it |
| 23:08.53 | nettlejam | Since this is happening on Amazon EC2, a snapshot is a sort of expensive operation, not like a ZFS snapshot or something. So I don't want to do it willy nilly |
| 23:09.23 | somiaj | nettlejam: I would look at what the update-notifier package does, as I think it provides a number |
| 23:09.57 | nettlejam | somiaj - thanks - checking it out |
| 23:10.03 | FlyingPersian | the storage hasn't been added civillian |
| 23:10.07 | FlyingPersian | size hasn't changed |
| 23:10.11 | somiaj | nettlejam: its name changed as it is linked with gnome, but it may be a place to look |
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| 23:11.18 | civillian | FlyingPersian: according to fdisk? |
| 23:11.22 | FlyingPersian | yes civillian |
| 23:11.28 | FlyingPersian | I need to resize it with gparted |
| 23:11.41 | civillian | FlyingPersian: if fdisk can't see the changes, gparted won't help |
| 23:11.55 | FlyingPersian | that's what the virtualbox people say though |
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| 23:12.08 | civillian | FlyingPersian: perhaps you're reading fdisk output incorrectly |
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| 23:12.43 | FlyingPersian | /dev/sda1 * 2048 15988735 15986688 7.6G 83 Linux |
| 23:12.44 | FlyingPersian | /dev/sda2 15990782 16775167 784386 383M 5 Extended |
| 23:12.44 | FlyingPersian | /dev/sda5 15990784 16775167 784384 383M 82 Linux swap / Solaris |
| 23:12.59 | FlyingPersian | I setup 8GB initially and increased it to 30GB |
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| 23:13.08 | civillian | FlyingPersian: don't paste in channel plz, use pastebin or similar |
| 23:13.20 | FlyingPersian | sorry, it's just 3 lines |
| 23:13.24 | FlyingPersian | figured that shouldn't be too bad |
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| 23:14.36 | civillian | FlyingPersian: you're only showing the partitions, you need to confirm the raw disk size is bigger, look for /dev/sda in fdisk output |
| 23:14.48 | FlyingPersian | thatÄs the entire output civillian |
| 23:15.29 | civillian | FlyingPersian: Doubtful... |
| 23:15.35 | FlyingPersian | trust me, I can read |
| 23:16.48 | grinder1 | Hello, i would have following problem: I need a higher resolution i am using debian 8.1 with gnome, over the gui i cant set it higher, so i wante to change the xorg.conf and set a new resolution 1600x1200 but i cant find the xorg.conf in /etc/X11/ .. so i stopped gnome and made a new one with X -configure .. it was created, when i started gnome again, i just got a black screen, till i renamed the config again ? |
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| 23:18.00 | p0wersploit | sounds like the configuration was wrong. |
| 23:18.14 | somiaj | nettlejam: actually looks like they get lots of info and use some python libaries, namily apt_pkg and look though installed packages one at a time to count number of upgrades and number of security upgrades. |
| 23:18.47 | somiaj | nettlejam: though they this command commented out at the top, apt-get -s -o Debug::NoLocking=true upgrade | grep ^Inst, that lists all the packages to be Inst, if you wanted you could wc -l that line to get a number |
| 23:18.50 | civillian | FlyingPersian: do you have gparted? |
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| 23:19.16 | FlyingPersian | yes, I downloaded the live iso, created a linux VM and mounted the gparted iso |
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| 23:19.36 | FlyingPersian | I have to import the vdi file into that new vm, but I cannot add the hdd due to a vbox error |
| 23:19.41 | FlyingPersian | trying to fix that now |
| 23:19.45 | TJ- | grinder1: Whilst it is working from the automatic detection, at a terminal shell, use "xrandr -q" to discover what resolutions the hardware/drivers report as available |
| 23:20.10 | civillian | FlyingPersian: no need for a new VM |
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| 23:20.24 | FlyingPersian | are you sure? |
| 23:20.48 | civillian | FlyingPersian: just boot the live iso on your current debian VM |
| 23:20.55 | FlyingPersian | I did |
| 23:21.01 | FlyingPersian | but I didn't know what to do further |
| 23:21.29 | civillian | go into gparted, look in the top-right drop-down box |
| 23:22.01 | FlyingPersian | hang on |
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| 23:22.11 | nettlejam | somiaj - thanks. I checked out update-notifier but the sheer number of packages (136) it wants to install is scaring me |
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| 23:22.39 | somiaj | nettlejam: yea it isn't something you probabaly want on a server (it is ment to give desktop users an icon that says 'hey here are the packages that you need to upgrade' |
| 23:22.45 | nettlejam | right |
| 23:23.04 | somiaj | nettlejam: I ment look at the source, I was looking at the source. Seems they have a simple python script that counts the number of packages to be upgraded by using apt_pkg module of python |
| 23:23.23 | nettlejam | Yeah - that seems cool |
| 23:23.41 | somiaj | nettlejam: this looks at the apt cache directly as opposed to asking apt to do something. That might be a bit more proper way to do it, but just greping the info you need from an apt --dry-run should be enough. |
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| 23:23.51 | shamurai | Does anyone know if there is a way to setup a debian repository that distributes updates to clients similar to the way torrents are distributed? |
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| 23:24.00 | grinder1 | TJ- im on the maximum resolution from "xrandr -q" shown ones, but 1366x768 but everything is big, maybe theres another way to change that, i mean every windows is pretty "zoomed", when i was on windows for example i think it was working with 1600x1200 |
| 23:24.10 | somiaj | shamurai: what do you mean by updates to clients? |
| 23:24.48 | nettlejam | somiaj - thanks for the help |
| 23:25.03 | TJ- | grinder1: If that is what xrandr reports then either the display is already at its maximum resolution, or it is misreporting its available resolutions via EDID, or there's a driver issue somewhere |
| 23:25.11 | somiaj | grinder1: if 1366x768 is the max resolution xrandr is giving but you know your card/monintor can do higher, maybe check out /var/log/Xorg.0.log and ensure the correct graphics drivers are being loaded and see what it says about why it is only giving you certain resolutions. |
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| 23:28.29 | somiaj | shamurai: please keep your conversation in #debian and don't message people. No an apt-repo is a central server giving multiple clients packages. debian uses various methods with multiple servers around the world and redirectors (/msg dpkg http.debian.net), but in the end you get the packages from a single server at a time. |
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