| 00:00.02 | r3m | ,v awesome |
| 00:00.03 | judd | Package: awesome on amd64 -- squeeze: 3.4.6-1; wheezy: 3.4.13-1; sid: 3.4.15-1+b1; jessie: 3.4.15-1+b1; stretch: 3.4.15-1+b1; experimental: 3.5.5-1 |
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| 00:14.40 | jmd | reboots |
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| 00:23.12 | jmd | jelly: Unfortunately the _netdev option didn't fix anything. |
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| 00:28.59 | Shibe | guys |
| 00:29.03 | Shibe | i updated debian to debian jessy |
| 00:29.07 | Shibe | now this is happening |
| 00:29.07 | Shibe | C:\Users\kamal_000>ssh 168.235.76.252 -l root |
| 00:29.08 | Shibe | no kex alg |
| 00:31.52 | cast | do the sshd logs say anything? |
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| 00:32.11 | jmd | Anyone else had problems with ratpoison on jesse? |
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| 00:33.40 | at0m|c | !anyone |
| 00:33.40 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 00:34.25 | Shibe | cast: what do you mean |
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| 00:36.07 | jmd | at0m|c: Please do not use the bot to disparage people who ask questions. |
| 00:36.34 | rich | hello all |
| 00:37.01 | Cr | journalctl -u sshd |tail -100 |
| 00:37.05 | rich | anybody know how to turn on surround sound in debian? |
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| 00:39.20 | at0m|c | jmd: just be specific. yes, people had problems with it. does that answer? |
| 00:39.49 | AshleyNX | Good evening #debian users |
| 00:40.27 | rich | evening |
| 00:40.31 | jmd | at0m|c: Please don't be a smart-alec either. |
| 00:40.39 | rich | what a wonderful night |
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| 00:40.47 | rich | uh oh |
| 00:40.51 | rich | corey84 is stalking me |
| 00:40.57 | rich | *just kidding! haha |
| 00:41.12 | at0m|c | jmd: 5 lines in, and nobody knows what you're after. |
| 00:41.40 | jmd | at0m|c: If you cannot help, it is perfectly acceptable if you keep quiet. |
| 00:42.04 | Corey84 | rich, got shove off ass clown |
| 00:42.07 | rich | jmd, I need help i'm new to gnome, where is the sound controls to set it to 5.1? |
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| 00:42.30 | Corey84 | your attempts of humour and smearing nonsense is pointless and crappy |
| 00:42.38 | rich | I should of installed kde hehe |
| 00:42.45 | rich | i feel so lost on gnome |
| 00:42.57 | rich | but gnomes programs so much more stable |
| 00:44.02 | rich | I just typed in sound in the menu search and found it |
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| 00:44.30 | Kung_Fury | hi |
| 00:44.35 | rich | does anybody run debian with cinnamon? |
| 00:44.53 | at0m|c | rich: guess what |
| 00:45.24 | rich | ? |
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| 00:45.46 | at0m|c | ask jmd :D |
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| 00:46.12 | rich | at0m|c, hm? |
| 00:47.04 | rich | i need to get pulseaudio-equalizer on here asap |
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| 00:47.15 | rich | can i add the same repo i use with ubuntu? |
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| 00:48.03 | Vainglory | i'm trying to setup knockd and previously have locked myself out. i didn't specify tcp or udp. can someone help? |
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| 00:49.41 | rich | Vainglory, you wouldn't happen to know what repo i can add to instal pulseaudio-equalizer in debian do you? |
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| 00:49.55 | Vainglory | rich: gimme one moment |
| 00:50.04 | rich | pencilandpaper, hey wats up man, hey do you know if I can use the same repo for pulesaudio-equalizer that i use in mint? |
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| 00:50.35 | at0m|c | rich: i go through veromix for that |
| 00:50.47 | Kung_Fury | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTidn2dBYbY |
| 00:51.00 | rich | at0m|c, what is veromix, i'm playing music on the rhythmbox, but I don't see an eq for it |
| 00:51.05 | Vainglory | "This tool is still used today but it's no longer developed and it doesn't work properly for everyone, so many users have been looking for alternatives." - http://www.webupd8.org/2013/03/install-pulseaudio-with-built-in-system.html |
| 00:51.11 | rich | but I need systemwide for wne watching streams and stuff |
| 00:51.15 | rich | on the browser and things |
| 00:51.26 | Vainglory | rich: ^ |
| 00:51.28 | rich | Vainglory, yes thats the one |
| 00:51.29 | rich | ty |
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| 00:52.11 | rich | oh i was just looking at that page, so my question is those directions are for deiban |
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| 00:52.26 | rich | there is actually another repo i prefer for the pulse audio dam i'd have to log into mint to see it |
| 00:52.31 | rich | i mean for the pulse eq |
| 00:52.41 | Vainglory | appears to not be in dev |
| 00:52.44 | at0m|c | rich: aptitude show veromix |
| 00:53.14 | rich | Vainglory, this is the one i use for ubuntu ppa:nilarimogard/webupd8 |
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| 00:53.39 | Corey84 | and that is the same one MOST noobies use |
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| 00:53.47 | Corey84 | graduate to the big leagues |
| 00:53.58 | rich | Corey84, explain? |
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| 00:54.45 | Corey84 | webup8 has a hand in nearly EVERYthing why not go all in and be different |
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| 00:54.55 | Vainglory | sudo iptables -A INPUT -m conntrack --ctstate ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT or iptables -A INPUT -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT ? |
| 00:55.01 | Corey84 | you love grsec and all that right |
| 00:55.25 | rich | Corey84, i'm not understanding what you mean |
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| 01:01.20 | rich | hmm i'm getting 404 not found on a acouple repos |
| 01:01.35 | rich | the one I just added and http://ppa.launchpad.net jessie/main amd64 Packages |
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| 01:03.12 | ctmjr | rich: debian does not use ppa's and they are not supported here |
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| 01:03.48 | karlpinc | !frankendebian |
| 01:03.49 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
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| 01:17.23 | loop | Trying to setup a crontab on my Linux server |
| 01:17.32 | loop | To run it, I must use the `crontab` command right? |
| 01:17.49 | loop | Or is it all good if I have a cronjob installed? |
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| 01:18.43 | at0m|c | loop: try crontab -e |
| 01:18.49 | loop | Yep |
| 01:18.51 | loop | There's stuff in there |
| 01:18.57 | loop | crontab -l would list my list of cronjobs |
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| 01:19.11 | at0m|c | add according to taste. the first lines explain. |
| 01:19.35 | at0m|c | for single events, at and atd |
| 01:19.37 | loop | at0m, so after it says "cron is installed", I can just leave it |
| 01:19.40 | loop | ? |
| 01:19.47 | loop | Do I need to run the command `crontab`? |
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| 01:20.54 | at0m|c | no, it runs system-wide by default watching users crontabs. |
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| 01:21.00 | loop | alright |
| 01:21.12 | loop | So theoretically once I know my cronjob is installed, it should run as scheduled right? |
| 01:21.22 | at0m|c | as a user, crontab -e to edit periodics |
| 01:21.27 | at0m|c | yes |
| 01:21.39 | loop | alright thank you |
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| 01:21.57 | cluelessperson | loop: it's setup per user, if you do sudo crontab -e it'll set it up as root |
| 01:22.54 | loop | ok |
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| 01:23.46 | Cr | hello |
| 01:25.04 | loop | exit |
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| 01:31.19 | AshleyNX | whats a good ftp client for debian? i used to use fireFTP in firefox but eh.. I use elinks now |
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| 01:33.23 | Kung_Fury | AshleyNX still loving Filezilla |
| 01:33.33 | AshleyNX | alright |
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| 01:38.07 | cluelessperson | ashka: a lot of people simply would respond, don't use ftp |
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| 01:38.29 | pythonsnake__ | hi |
| 01:38.46 | pythonsnake__ | i got proccesses of tmux unkillable by killall |
| 01:38.48 | TheSoph | I always go with Filezilla for the client as well.. it does everything you need except site-to-site transfers |
| 01:38.50 | pythonsnake__ | is there another way |
| 01:39.16 | Kung_Fury | cluelessperson why? |
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| 01:39.34 | cluelessperson | Kung_Fury: FTP is unsafe. |
| 01:39.54 | cyph3x | agreed, SSH ftw |
| 01:39.56 | cluelessperson | Kung_Fury: insecure, prone to mitm |
| 01:39.57 | Kung_Fury | so, sftp how much safe would be? |
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| 01:40.12 | TheSoph | Filezilla does SFTP as well, problem solved :) |
| 01:40.19 | cluelessperson | Kung_Fury: infinitely safer, as it's ftp through an SSH encrypted tunnel |
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| 01:41.26 | Kung_Fury | I don't think it's not a problem about security to use ftp or not |
| 01:41.30 | amharris | TheSoph: I can't take GUIs. CLI master race? xD |
| 01:41.52 | cluelessperson | Kung_Fury: can you rephrase that so it's not a double or triple negative? |
| 01:41.54 | TheSoph | There's a time and place for everything I guess.. :) |
| 01:42.04 | Kung_Fury | I cant! :D |
| 01:42.22 | cluelessperson | Kung_Fury: FTP is considered unsafe, and SFTP is so easy to use there's no reason not to. |
| 01:42.24 | Kung_Fury | but, really, all it's unsafe |
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| 01:42.35 | amharris | TheSoph: My sensitive visual stimuli gets to me; either minimal OpenBox/i3/awesome layouts suit me, with major use of a terminal, or I rage-quit. ; |
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| 01:42.57 | cyph3x | TheSoph: I am running KDE and its pretty sexy, i still find myself using a terminal. These desktop environments still havent mastered a decent user experience |
| 01:43.04 | TheSoph | amharris: I recently started using Budgie Desktop from the Solus Project.. it's amazing and extremely minimalistic |
| 01:43.23 | Kung_Fury | cluelessperson tell me something that isn't unsafe |
| 01:43.37 | amharris | cyph3x: KDE...? Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope.gif [for me]. |
| 01:43.38 | at0m|c | cyph3x: one doesn't exclude the other. term or ui |
| 01:43.49 | cluelessperson | Kung_Fury: That's a stupid statement. It's all relative. |
| 01:43.51 | amharris | TheSoph: I'll check it out. |
| 01:44.07 | TheSoph | amharris: https://solus-project.com/2015/03/16/evolve-os-beta-1-1-released/ but beta 2 has been released.. but packages for the Budgie Desktop are available for others systems as well.. it's incredibly simple looking with no bloat or anything |
| 01:44.15 | cluelessperson | Kung_Fury: as of right now SSH is safe, TLS 1.2 is safe, AES is safe, PGP is safe. |
| 01:44.20 | TheSoph | For beta 2 they changed the name |
| 01:44.33 | amharris | Also, to everyone here, I'm uhh... new to the IRC. I'm a big Debian guy and have been for a long time but thought that my arrival to the IRC was overdue, so uhh... hey! |
| 01:44.38 | at0m|c | cluelessperson: add otr |
| 01:44.48 | Kung_Fury | cluelessperson are you sure? IIRC, SSH had some serious bugs |
| 01:45.01 | cyph3x | amharris: lolol I switched from gnome and cinnamon, still prefer KDE. but to do anything even remotely complex its just faster to pound away in terminal anyway. |
| 01:45.07 | TheSoph | cyph3x: Well, some do more than others.. I never liked KDE myself, but some others are pretty decent though |
| 01:45.32 | amharris | TheSoph: Oooh, beautiful typography _and_ iconography. I like it from a design standpoint. Still, keybindings are my sort of thing. ;) It's why I was a fan of #! and still am. Though I kind of have my own custom OpenBox flavour these days. |
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| 01:46.03 | TheSoph | Sure, if that's how you like it then I won't argue against it :P |
| 01:46.30 | amharris | TheSoph: I just don't like most of their stuff -- it feels slow. It's like CyanogenMod of the desktop software world. Great features ...that run horribly. |
| 01:46.48 | amharris | TheSoph: [re. KDE] |
| 01:46.58 | TheSoph | I've been looking for something extremely minimalistic yet modern and beautiful like Budgie for a long time myself.. it's amazing this was not done before now (for me at least) |
| 01:47.09 | cluelessperson | "I'm not sure the FBI man's soul wanted to return" |
| 01:47.33 | TheSoph | For me, KDE just looks like a pack of bubble gum.. it's too.. pop-ish even with theming :/ |
| 01:48.06 | amharris | Anyway, guys, even though I've really just arrived, I need to get going as it's 2:47am. |
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| 01:48.50 | amharris | If any of you have advice on getting a nice #!-like OpenBox environment working on Debian within Crouton, that'd be grand. Feel free to ping me directly and I'll catch it later. |
| 01:48.58 | Kung_Fury | cluelessperson: all it's relative to server admin guy, but from here to tell that FTP is unsecure per-se there is a really huge step |
| 01:49.08 | amharris | I'm heading to a conference in less than a week and need to hack away at my Chromebook for a proper environment. |
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| 01:49.15 | at0m|c | amharris: fluxbox? |
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| 01:49.32 | TheSoph | My route has been openbox -> gnome2 -> cinnamon -> xfce/gnome3 depending on mood -> Budgie |
| 01:49.46 | TheSoph | ..and then various looks at KDE once in a while.. I just don't like it |
| 01:50.02 | TheSoph | Oh, and fluxbox as well next to openbox :) |
| 01:50.02 | amharris | at0m|c: I do like Fluxbox, though I haven't really used it just yet. |
| 01:50.03 | cyph3x | TheSoph: I will have to try Budgie, I have been browsing the site and I am taken by how minimalistic it is. |
| 01:50.24 | TheSoph | cyph3x: Yup.. and it can emulate the look of gnome2 if you like that |
| 01:50.33 | at0m|c | i used to fb for long but kde just integrates flawlessly here |
| 01:50.37 | TheSoph | ..as in a dark bar along the bottom instead of how it is on that screenshot |
| 01:50.40 | at0m|c | so i gave up on the lean fb |
| 01:50.43 | amharris | at0m|c: It looks like Fluxbox offers window dragging, whereas awesome put me off in lacking that; i3 is a bit nicer but not quite me. |
| 01:50.55 | at0m|c | and speed/ram isnt an issue anymore. |
| 01:50.58 | cyph3x | TheSoph: gotcha |
| 01:51.07 | amharris | at0m|c: It is on my Chromebook. ;) hehehe |
| 01:51.11 | TheSoph | cyph3x: Like this http://www.thelinuxrain.com/content/01-articles/30-evolveos-an-upcoming-linux-distribution-featuring-a-new-desktop-environment/budgiedesktop1.png |
| 01:51.15 | at0m|c | k then amharris :D |
| 01:51.24 | amharris | at0m|c: If you think that Fluxbox will be a fine alternative to OpenBox in a #! style, then I'll give it a proper whirl. |
| 01:51.30 | TheSoph | But you can change the programs-menu independently of the long black bar if you want.. either very simply or in categories like that |
| 01:52.02 | TheSoph | That screenshot is old though, so not 100% correct |
| 01:52.07 | TheSoph | But you get the point :) |
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| 01:52.14 | cyph3x | TheSoph: yeah sexy, I am beginning to see the KDE tried to pack too much graphical shit into its DE |
| 01:52.20 | cyph3x | that* |
| 01:52.25 | at0m|c | amharris: it's plain txt configs and /reloads. no recursives in .fluxbox. menus, startups, layouts |
| 01:52.26 | pungi-man | How stable is debian stable? |
| 01:52.32 | amharris | at0m|c: Could you confirm that Fluxbox does offer draggable windows? |
| 01:52.36 | TheSoph | pungi-man: stable |
| 01:52.41 | TheSoph | .. |
| 01:52.50 | pungi-man | around how many years without lags or anything? |
| 01:53.05 | TheSoph | I think the last time I had a serious problem was.. Squeeze? |
| 01:53.05 | Kung_Fury | pungi-man: what's mean stable for you? |
| 01:53.09 | cyph3x | don't really know how to answer that one pungi-man |
| 01:53.26 | TheSoph | And I'm pretty sure that was my fault, actually |
| 01:53.29 | at0m|c | amharris: draggable as in alt-click? alt-right click to resize? window grouping? check the specs.. |
| 01:53.32 | pungi-man | there should be no lags, Kung_Fury |
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| 01:53.52 | pungi-man | like after sometime every OS starts to lag a little bit |
| 01:54.02 | cyph3x | pungi-man dude lag is going to depend on a lot of things.. |
| 01:54.02 | Kung_Fury | pungi-man switch to Ubuntu with xfce |
| 01:54.04 | amharris | at0m|c: As in click and drag the window's shell to move. |
| 01:54.05 | pungi-man | then you have to reinstall and then its back on track again |
| 01:54.07 | Kung_Fury | just kidding :3 |
| 01:54.07 | amharris | at0m|c: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-9mHfYDJaxuM/UZJZEouK8SI/AAAAAAAAADg/aU-QKNGk_H8/s1600/crunch-bang.png |
| 01:54.16 | amharris | at0m|c: That's more-or-less what I'm used to. |
| 01:54.39 | amharris | at0m|c: use alt+f3 to load from /var/bin |
| 01:54.42 | cyph3x | Kung_Fury: mean. lel |
| 01:54.50 | pungi-man | cyph3x, Can you name some? |
| 01:55.16 | Kung_Fury | pungi-man if you're running a server, you wouldn't find something more stable than Debian |
| 01:55.22 | at0m|c | amharris: assign any way you like. #fluxbox and www.fluxbox.org eh |
| 01:55.39 | cyph3x | pungi-man any linux distro will lag depending on system specs, what youre doing, whether or not you are browsing porn without an adblocker |
| 01:56.03 | amharris | at0m|c: Well, if it's flexible, I'll give it a shot. I'll hit up the people in the IRC. Thanks for rekindling my memory of it though. |
| 01:56.04 | at0m|c | they're both forks or family of blackbox i think |
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| 01:56.19 | cyph3x | pungi-man if youre trying to run a full ubuntu unity setup with all the graphical whizbangs on a nexus 5.. YUP! its going to lag |
| 01:56.28 | pungi-man | Kung_Fury,cyph3x since when is your debian running fine? |
| 01:56.36 | amharris | at0m|c: Ah, okay. Anyhow, it's time for me to head to bed. G'night and thanks again! |
| 01:56.42 | at0m|c | nn amharris |
| 01:56.42 | TheSoph | cyph3x: Ubuntu Touch is bad though :( |
| 01:56.45 | pungi-man | I used Lubuntu precisely on my pentium machine |
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| 01:56.55 | TheSoph | The disappointed face I made when I tried it :/ |
| 01:57.01 | cyph3x | TheSoph: DUDE! I just tried that out, its TERRRIIIBLEE |
| 01:57.17 | TheSoph | Sailfish all the way! |
| 01:57.36 | TheSoph | And they will release an official build for Nexus 5, it appears, once 2.0 is ready to roll out |
| 01:57.55 | TheSoph | ..with everything working.. looked extremely smooth when they showed it off |
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| 01:58.50 | Kung_Fury | pungi-man: 8 years, 2 reboots |
| 01:58.59 | Kung_Fury | server-side |
| 01:59.03 | TheSoph | cyph3x: So if you have a supported phone for Sailfish and don't know about it yet, go ahead.. I like it a lot :) |
| 01:59.07 | cyph3x | pungi-man like i said dude, it is irrelevant how long our versions of debian have been running lag free because we may be doing different things, im sensing that you might recursively delete things so it may different strokes for different folks |
| 01:59.32 | pungi-man | Kung_Fury, thats quite a lot of time! |
| 02:00.17 | cyph3x | TheSoph: I was primarily interested in it in the first place because of the innate security it brings to the mobile world, unfortunately Ubuntu has lost respect from me in that regard with bizarre bloatware |
| 02:00.37 | TheSoph | That happened long time ago for me :) |
| 02:00.56 | pungi-man | Thanks Kung_Fury cyph3x ... I will google it about |
| 02:00.58 | TheSoph | They seem to be diverting from the idea of not being assholes :/ |
| 02:01.08 | cyph3x | agreed |
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| 02:01.14 | at0m|c | cyph3x: debian gets you NetworkManager too, if you do not pay attention |
| 02:01.15 | Kung_Fury | np |
| 02:01.39 | cyph3x | its a shame. damn you Unity sidebar >< |
| 02:01.43 | at0m|c | i call that bloat |
| 02:02.08 | TheSoph | cyph3x: But do chechout Sailfish if you have a Nexus 5 or another supported device: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3ZadrSlScY |
| 02:02.18 | TheSoph | Checkout* |
| 02:02.22 | TheSoph | I think it's great |
| 02:02.31 | cyph3x | TheSoph: I will for sure |
| 02:04.01 | TheSoph | They said they will release an official build of 2.0 for the Nexus 5 at least, shortly after they release their new tablet that also comes with SailfishOS 2.0 |
| 02:04.21 | TheSoph | ..which should be this summer, so not long :) |
| 02:04.24 | cyph3x | TheSoph: ahmigod bro, that looks like pure sex, I wonder if it drains battery more than a default OS would |
| 02:04.48 | TheSoph | It doesn't.. I have been running the unofficial build for a while and it is perfectly fine |
| 02:05.03 | cyph3x | wow |
| 02:05.27 | TheSoph | ..except the same type of caveats that other custom Android roms have from time to time, due to it not being an official build.. |
| 02:05.47 | TheSoph | But with Jolla releasing an official build al those things have been fixed already, such as the camera which he is showing |
| 02:05.56 | cyph3x | right |
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| 02:06.02 | TheSoph | But battery-wise it's just fine, I see no real difference between that and Android |
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| 02:07.16 | cyph3x | TheSoph, I actually have a OnePlus One laying around, I should try it out |
| 02:07.32 | TheSoph | If someone made a build for it, sure |
| 02:07.38 | TheSoph | You got a Nexus 5? |
| 02:08.09 | cyph3x | TheSoph, I do but that is my main phone rn, not sure I want to risk it until I have had some experience with Sailfish |
| 02:08.31 | TheSoph | Load the Nexus 5 up with MultiBoot and you can dualboot all the OS' you want :) |
| 02:08.47 | TheSoph | http://forum.xda-developers.com/google-nexus-5/orig-development/mod-multirom-v24-t2571011 |
| 02:08.56 | TheSoph | It's a pretty simply process |
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| 02:09.21 | TheSoph | That way you can dualboot all the Android, Ubuntu Touch, Firefox OS and SailfishOS roms you want, no problem |
| 02:09.30 | cyph3x | gtfo, a mobile bootloader |
| 02:09.40 | TheSoph | That's the benefit of a Nexus device :) |
| 02:09.50 | TheSoph | ..even though he found a way of getting a couple of other devices supported as well |
| 02:10.22 | TheSoph | If you scroll down a bit to the "Adding ROMs" section he links to Ubuntu Touch, Firefox OS and Sailfish OS threads |
| 02:10.47 | TheSoph | Here's the thread for the unofficial Sailfish port: http://forum.xda-developers.com/google-nexus-5/development/rom-sailfish-os-alpha-t2841266 |
| 02:10.58 | TheSoph | But it's gonna be great when the official release is out |
| 02:12.31 | Kung_Fury | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTidn2dBYbY |
| 02:12.33 | TheSoph | If you want to try it you are going to unlock your phone and put a custom recovery on it and then do the MultiROM thing |
| 02:12.58 | cyph3x | Yeah I am reading the howto now, seems legit. |
| 02:13.05 | TheSoph | It's a pretty straight forward process to do all those things because it's a Nexus device |
| 02:13.32 | TheSoph | The main thing to keep in mind is that when you unlock it your device gets wiped.. That's something Google decided |
| 02:13.58 | TheSoph | But after that's done, no problem and everything works as normal except you can add all the roms you want |
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| 02:16.40 | TheSoph | And because it's a Nexus device you can't brick it |
| 02:17.21 | TheSoph | I once wiped every OS and somehow the recovery as well.. But all you need to do is hook it up to the computer and run a couple of commands and it will be restored to stock Android rom |
| 02:17.46 | at0m|c | and then there's #debian-offtopic |
| 02:17.48 | Kung_Fury | join #Android m8 |
| 02:17.54 | at0m|c | :) |
| 02:17.59 | TheSoph | :/ |
| 02:19.20 | at0m|c | or even /j sailfish |
| 02:19.25 | TheSoph | One last non-topic thing then: cyph3x: but go ahead, take a backup, unlock the bootlader, put a custom recovery like TWRP on and a rooted rom, then do MultiROM and off you go.. dualboot-away.. your device can always be restored no matter what happens :) |
| 02:19.30 | TheSoph | ..and now I'm done with off-topic :P |
| 02:20.17 | Kung_Fury | TheSoph or buy Nokia Luma with windows |
| 02:20.36 | TheSoph | No thank you :) |
| 02:20.41 | Kung_Fury | why not? |
| 02:20.46 | Kung_Fury | it's very good |
| 02:20.51 | Kung_Fury | :3 |
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| 02:21.36 | TheSoph | I gave up on WP after they ditched every 7.x user.. B ut I'll keep an eye out for it once Win10 Mobile hits it.. it seems to be getting a lot of attentioun do to the universal apps thing, actually |
| 02:22.00 | Kung_Fury | oh man, someday, windows will rule the world, you should be prepared |
| 02:22.15 | TheSoph | Yep, I'll hoard all the $79 dollar devices! |
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| 05:48.15 | AshleyNX | I have a Dell Inspiron 5100 can anyone help me install my ati driver? |
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| 06:03.32 | polyphagia | AshleyNX: looks pretty old |
| 06:03.45 | polyphagia | i think the default free drivers are going to be the most optimized at this point |
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| 06:39.42 | shay_shay | anyone know of any good 2+1 laptop/tablet for running Linux on? |
| 06:40.04 | jonnee | how can I see how the python package runs ./configure? |
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| 06:43.09 | Amun_Ra | jonnee: for example, download all three source packages at https://packages.debian.org/jessie/python2.7; dpkg-source -x file.dsc; look at debian/rules _or_ add deb-src in sources.list and replace first step with apt-get source package-name |
| 06:43.36 | Amun_Ra | first two* |
| 06:43.41 | jonnee | ok, thanks |
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| 07:53.07 | maziar | i have install nginx on debian wheezy, i want to reinstall my debian on jessie version and install new nginx , how to speed up my nginx web site ** i have static html page*** |
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| 08:04.14 | vegardx | maziar: Optimize when you hit a barrier. If you don't know what tunables can be tuned already chances are that you'll do something horrible bad. |
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| 08:06.19 | maziar | vegardx, what do you mean about "tunables" ? |
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| 08:08.57 | blackflow | maziar: config vars that deal with various performance characteristics of nginx. |
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| 08:13.24 | maziar | blackflow, you mean , i should configure my nginx.conf for best way to serve my content ? |
| 08:13.31 | vegardx | You should use the default. |
| 08:14.09 | vegardx | And likely most of the things that can be tuned for optimal performace lies outside of nginx given that you're just serving static content. |
| 08:14.48 | blackflow | maziar: probably, depends on the issue, and if you really know what you're doing. and what vegardx just said. |
| 08:14.59 | blackflow | s/probably/maybe |
| 08:15.06 | vegardx | Unless you're serving 1 byte files I'm almost positive your pipe will fill up long before nginx starts to struggle. |
| 08:15.20 | maziar | blackflow, my site is : exp.asiatech.ir , can you check its speed ? |
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| 08:15.28 | blackflow | no |
| 08:15.56 | vegardx | maziar: Speed is relative. Latency will likely be the biggest factor here, and that is out of your control. |
| 08:16.33 | maziar | vegardx, how can i fix Latency ? |
| 08:16.34 | vegardx | Doesn't matter that I'm on a gigabit connection when the RTT to your server is 400ms from me. It will be slow, no matter what. |
| 08:16.37 | vegardx | You can'.t |
| 08:16.39 | blackflow | maziar: raw bps is meaningles. you have to observe several varables: disk usage, memory usage, iops, and output bandwidth is just one of them. |
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| 08:17.14 | blackflow | maziar: by putting your server closer to your target audience :) |
| 08:17.27 | vegardx | blackflow: Cheater! :p |
| 08:17.34 | blackflow | closer both in meters and in number of hops :) |
| 08:17.37 | blackflow | vegardx: ;) |
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| 08:20.11 | maziar | blackflow, my network , memory and CPU is very good , but i want my web site be very fast, is there any extention? |
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| 08:23.19 | blackflow | maziar: there is no single answer to that. |
| 08:23.50 | vegardx | The level you want to optimze now is where the Facebook and Google engineers are. You don't need or want that. |
| 08:24.01 | vegardx | You will break things. |
| 08:24.06 | vegardx | I can guarantee it. |
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| 08:25.16 | vegardx | Now that I think about it, you can bump the amount of workers to the same as your CPU count. By default that should be 2 with 1024 threads. But you won't notice it, since you'll never hit that wall. |
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| 08:28.02 | blackflow | vegardx: 1024 threads? |
| 08:28.12 | blackflow | do you mean FDs? |
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| 08:29.11 | vegardx | Let me check, I'm just recanting from memory |
| 08:29.58 | blackflow | vegardx: I guess you mean worker_connections. those are not threads, just file descriptors/structures that handle individual connection as nginx is event based |
| 08:30.00 | vegardx | Err, worker_processes should be the same as the amount of free CPUs you have, and s/threads/worker_connections/ |
| 08:30.04 | vegardx | yeah, you're right |
| 08:30.38 | blackflow | the distinction is important because if you set too high, you'll hit the nginx user's open file descriptors limit |
| 08:30.53 | blackflow | which is quite low by default, I think it's 1024 |
| 08:31.07 | vegardx | Should have been bumped a little in jessie, I think. |
| 08:31.40 | vegardx | But yeah, it's a little low in Debian Wheezy |
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| 08:32.37 | haasn | How can I install ffmpeg on debian? Is it available in the default repository? |
| 08:33.08 | vegardx | Have you looked before asking? |
| 08:33.30 | buu | haasn: They switched to avconv in the repos |
| 08:33.39 | haasn | Ah, it's available from deb-multimedia.org |
| 08:34.02 | blackflow | vegardx: the nginx config may be, but the ulimit is still 1024 |
| 08:34.11 | vegardx | I seem to remember that avconv is not feature compatible with ffmpeg, buu? |
| 08:34.18 | blackflow | it's not |
| 08:35.12 | vegardx | blackflow: you're right. :) |
| 08:35.15 | haasn | buu: I noticed; I wonder why they still call the package âffmpegâ though. Wouldn't it make more sense to name it âlibavâ? |
| 08:35.46 | blackflow | because the libav project hijacked ffmpeg's name. there was huge drama about it, google can show you :) |
| 08:36.05 | vegardx | Dramalama! |
| 08:36.17 | vegardx | Because why not just confuse everyone. |
| 08:36.26 | blackflow | and the only reason they switched was because the devs are maintainers in Debian. go figure. |
| 08:36.53 | haasn | Ah, and the debian maintainers want to make things unnecessarily confusing for users? |
| 08:37.01 | vegardx | I have a few servers that does some transcoding that avconv can't handle at least. *grumples* |
| 08:37.06 | jelly | haasn: there's ffmpeg in testing, you ought to be able to backport it |
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| 08:37.12 | jelly | ,v ffmpeg |
| 08:37.13 | judd | Package: ffmpeg on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 4:0.5.10-1; squeeze: 4:0.5.10-1; squeeze-security-lts: 4:0.5.10-1+deb6u1; squeeze-backports: 6:0.8.6-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 6:0.8.16-1; wheezy-security: 6:0.8.17-1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 6:0.8.17-1; sid: 7:2.6.3-1+b1; wheezy-multimedia: 8:1.0.10-dmo1; jessie-multimedia: 10:2.6.2-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 10:2.6.3-dmo2 |
| 08:37.25 | jelly | sorry, in sid, not testing |
| 08:37.25 | haasn | I'm on jessie |
| 08:38.32 | blackflow | the package name is ffmpeg, but internally it's libav |
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| 08:39.40 | jelly | blackflow: ffmpeg in sid is actual ffmpeg |
| 08:40.32 | buu | It compiles pretty easily on debian in my experience |
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| 08:41.14 | blackflow | jelly: I don't know about sid, but looking at this https://packages.debian.org/sid/ffmpeg it still depends on libav* |
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| 08:42.02 | jelly | blackflow: I don't see any dependency on libav there. |
| 08:42.04 | blackflow | oh wait, it's libav*-ffmpeg ... |
| 08:42.15 | blackflow | see? much confuse! |
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| 08:42.43 | haasn | Hmm, it seems ffmpeg from deb-multimedia.org was built without soxr support |
| 08:42.46 | haasn | so I have to build it myself either way |
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| 08:57.50 | blackflow | Where can I find more info about (any) effort to use LibreSSL in Debian? Googling for "Debian LibreSSL" shows only one bug report from last year with the last post in July... |
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| 09:11.19 | SydM107 | hello, I'm getting a wierd thing on laptop where if I plug in an external microphone, it's signal is played back |
| 09:11.47 | SydM107 | I have no idea how to formulate a question for google |
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| 09:16.25 | SydM107 | nobody on? |
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| 09:23.56 | jolt | SydM107: I don't know much about audio in linux, but maybe it's a setting in alsamixer? |
| 09:24.03 | jolt | They have an insane amount of options in there |
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| 09:25.22 | SydM107 | jolt: thanks, your right |
| 09:25.40 | SynrGy | yeah. make sure you check the playback control for the mic |
| 09:26.00 | SydM107 | yup got it |
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| 09:30.42 | jham | which filesystem is best/well suited to prevent a corrupt filesystem state for a hdd which might be disconnected without beeing unmounted? eg. hdd is used in a docking satation. |
| 09:31.45 | jham | i'd guess ext4 would handle it, but i'd like to get some more opinions on that topic |
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| 09:32.39 | blackflow | jham: yes any journaled fs will do. that, however, won't prevent requirement to fsck the fs in case of breakag, it only means that the fs is made aware of inconsistencies and can fix them which is the definition of "no corruption" here. |
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| 09:33.29 | jham | blackflow: how about beeing disconnected and connected again without reboot/fsck? |
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| 09:34.17 | jham | i'd need some fs ideally without the need to call manually fsck before i can mount the drive |
| 09:34.18 | blackflow | jham: it won't corrupt in the sense that data is written halfway without the fs noticing the mismatch and dropping the unfinished write. now whether that works automagically or you have to fsck, I can't say. |
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| 09:38.59 | myztic | efficient way to search all txt files in a folder for certain string? |
| 09:39.18 | myztic | grep -rnw /path/to/folder -e "certain string" |
| 09:39.21 | myztic | quite slow |
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| 09:45.25 | myztic | life sometimes is too easy |
| 09:45.38 | blackflow | myztic: how slow? can you put a number if kB/sec processed? |
| 09:45.40 | blackflow | *of |
| 09:45.53 | myztic | grep "" *.txt | grep -ie "string" |
| 09:46.03 | myztic | does what I want it to |
| 09:46.06 | myztic | Does it much faster |
| 09:46.29 | blackflow | myztic: you mean now that the first pass put the files in fs cache? :) |
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| 09:46.52 | myztic | it comes up instantly almost |
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| 09:47.05 | blackflow | myztic: and if you try the original command again, is it faster? |
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| 09:48.23 | myztic | blackflow: how do you mean? |
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| 09:49.51 | blackflow | myztic: nevermind. |
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| 09:51.21 | blackflow | myztic: the two commands you used use different search criteria, you're not comparing same things. the second one doesn't recurse into subdirectories |
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| 10:13.32 | p0rt_ | hello, i've installed debian 8 and i have samsung kiera 2 broadband modem. The problem is I cannot use it, coz network manager says 'disconnected' and i don't have option enable when right-clicking poer-manager |
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| 10:13.51 | p0rt_ | what can i do? |
| 10:14.45 | moetunes | p0rt_: have you checked in the bios that it is enabled? |
| 10:14.50 | styx_ | hi guys! im using raspbian upgraded to debian jessie, and my isc-dhcpd-server does not log to syslog or anything else. The dhcpd.conf says it should log to log-facility local7; |
| 10:15.01 | p0rt_ | yes, on kali it worked, but here it doesn't |
| 10:15.16 | styx_ | can somebody please give me a hint, how i can find the log output for the dhcpd? thx ;) |
| 10:16.12 | p0rt_ | moetunes, is it possible that kernel is too old (on kali i had 3.18, but here it's only 3.16) |
| 10:16.14 | p0rt_ | ? |
| 10:16.47 | p0wersploit | Kali doesn't even use systemd >_> |
| 10:16.52 | p0wersploit | It's not going to be the same |
| 10:16.53 | moetunes | p0rt_: you would have to be unlucky for that to be it imo |
| 10:17.00 | p0wersploit | but no that's not the most up to date kernel |
| 10:17.35 | p0rt_ | oh, and debian doesn't ask for pin code |
| 10:18.17 | p0rt_ | in ifconfig, i have usb0 which is modem |
| 10:18.26 | p0rt_ | (i think so) |
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| 10:18.57 | p0rt_ | and it's turned on |
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| 10:19.11 | SynrG | pin code? sounds like WPS which is total crap |
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| 10:19.52 | p0rt_ | no, it's a broadband mobile network |
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| 10:20.04 | p0rt_ | you know, sim card and all other things like this ;) |
| 10:20.13 | SynrG | ah, hmm |
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| 10:20.50 | p0rt_ | google says nothing about kiera2 |
| 10:21.08 | p0rt_ | it's a samsung nc110hp netbook |
| 10:22.04 | SynrG | all my experience with mobile broadband is android, not debian :/ |
| 10:22.04 | p0rt_ | is it possible i don't have firmware for it? |
| 10:22.41 | SynrG | well, what's the pciid? use lspci -nn. we're interested in the [####:####] at the end |
| 10:23.21 | SynrG | styx_: raspbian is not supported here. |
| 10:23.23 | SynrG | !raspbian |
| 10:23.24 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 10:23.30 | p0rt_ | 01:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Centrino Wireless-N 130 [8086:0896] (rev 34) |
| 10:23.35 | p0rt_ | it matbe this |
| 10:23.37 | styx_ | SynrG: Oh sorry! |
| 10:23.39 | p0rt_ | may be* |
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| 10:24.01 | SynrG | er, wireless-N? no, that's just your wifi |
| 10:24.19 | SynrG | is it on usb, then? that would be lsusb |
| 10:24.19 | p0rt_ | ok, i will paste on pastebin |
| 10:24.33 | p0rt_ | no, it's built-in |
| 10:24.53 | p0rt_ | but |
| 10:24.54 | p0rt_ | Bus 001 Device 003: ID 04e8:6906 Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd |
| 10:24.55 | SynrG | "built in" means nothing. there are internal usb hub devices too |
| 10:25.04 | p0rt_ | it may be this ;) |
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| 10:26.43 | p0rt_ | +# Samsung Y3400 04e8:6906 |
| 10:26.54 | p0rt_ | well, chromium has something about it |
| 10:27.07 | p0rt_ | http://git.chromium.org/gitweb/?p=chromiumos/overlays/board-overlays.git;a=commitdiff;h=bfb96145a03cb3ad25cd710ca0d16a013270cfeb |
| 10:27.47 | p0rt_ | but idk what is it |
| 10:27.47 | p0rt_ | http://git.chromium.org/gitweb/?p=chromiumos/overlays/board-overlays.git;a=blob;f=overlay-lumpy/chromeos-base/chromeos-bsp-lumpy/files/usb-autosuspend.conf;h=89e8433c0e03bd20ce4e06b12486ef74573ddfa5;hb=bfb96145a03cb3ad25cd710ca0d16a013270cfeb |
| 10:28.16 | SynrG | notes that chromiumos is not chromium per se, but the OSS core for Chrome OS |
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| 10:28.52 | p0rt_ | ;) |
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| 10:30.25 | SynrG | http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/ModemManager/SupportedDevices/ has Samsung Y3400 on the "Supported" list for ModemManager |
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| 10:32.16 | tytan | Hello, everyone. I try to run debian wheezy as a lokal webserver on my raspberry pi 2. I tried to configure a static IP address. Now it shows that I have two addresses. The former dhcp address and the sztatic address. ifconfig does only show the static ip addrress. My webserver is only reachable under the old address though :( |
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| 10:33.03 | SynrG | tytan: truly wheezy, or raspbian based on wheezy? |
| 10:33.10 | p0rt_ | hmm |
| 10:33.10 | p0rt_ | i didn't have modemmanager |
| 10:33.10 | p0rt_ | is genius! |
| 10:33.18 | p0rt_ | thanks;) |
| 10:33.19 | SynrG | p0rt_: :) |
| 10:33.23 | SynrG | np |
| 10:33.33 | tytan | SynrG I downloaded an image calles raspbian. Is it that much of a difference? |
| 10:33.35 | p0rt_ | i'll reboot and see what will happen |
| 10:33.43 | SynrG | tytan: yes, it is not supported here: |
| 10:33.45 | SynrG | !raspbian |
| 10:33.45 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
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| 10:35.27 | tytan | I edited the /etc/network/interfaces to my needs and then told my system to restart neworking. I assume this is equal on both plattforms. Please help me. O r give me a hint at least :( |
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| 10:36.21 | bazhang | #raspbian <---- tytan |
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| 10:36.38 | p0rt_ | here |
| 10:36.49 | p0rt_ | modem works :D |
| 10:36.49 | p0rt_ | i am genius |
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| 10:55.05 | l3archos | hi Debians. I am on Jessie and installed banshee 2.6.2 and in the settings/addons I activated the UPnP client. On the left column I get successfully listed my DLNAserver in my LAN but it is greyed out, I cannot click on it and use it. Anyone knows if this is a bug or did I miss anything ? |
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| 11:05.56 | ancky | hey I updated my debian testing yesterday and it doesn't really work anymore, it says it can't find mountpoints, the messagebus isn't started |
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| 11:06.07 | ancky | where do I start debugging this? |
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| 11:07.50 | Brigo | ancky, the problem should be in the /etc/fstab file. |
| 11:08.24 | Brigo | ancky, can you get a command line? |
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| 11:08.57 | ancky | yes, it boots to a console but not internet |
| 11:09.07 | ancky | the fstab doesn't look changed |
| 11:09.28 | ancky | proc is there |
| 11:09.34 | at0m|c | can you manually mount the fstab mounts |
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| 11:10.01 | ancky | like mount -a? |
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| 11:10.18 | at0m|c | or individually mount /mout |
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| 11:11.53 | ancky | at0m|c: sorry I didn't get that, but I can mount proc |
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| 11:13.21 | Brigo | ancky, is there any problem with proc at boot time? |
| 11:13.32 | at0m|c | ancky: try to mount the mount points "mount -a" or "mount /mountpoint" and see what fails |
| 11:14.20 | edakiri | How can I see an installed packages origin? Especially good if not with aptitude or synaptic: they are running slow. |
| 11:14.31 | ancky | where can I find the bootmessage log? then I can find the errors |
| 11:15.16 | at0m|c | dmesg |
| 11:15.32 | edakiri | +systemctl something |
| 11:15.45 | edakiri | & /var/log/syslog* |
| 11:16.08 | Brigo | edakiri, apt-cache policy package |
| 11:16.45 | Brigo | ancky, try journalctl -b. If not, less /var/log/syslog |
| 11:17.13 | Brigo | ancky, did you try mount -a as at0m|c told you? |
| 11:17.19 | edakiri | thanks |
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| 11:19.00 | ancky | mount -a does work |
| 11:19.17 | Brigo | edakiri, yw :) |
| 11:20.12 | Brigo | ancky, then, yes, check the logs for the error. If you cannot find it, reboot again. |
| 11:21.25 | ancky | Brigo: the first errormessage when I boot is something with mountkernfs.sh not found but now its doing an fsck because I rebooted too often |
| 11:22.14 | Brigo | ancky, try to find it, it should be in /etc/init.d/mountkernfs.sh |
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| 11:23.02 | Brigo | ancky, are you using systemd or initvsys? mountkernfs.sh looks like a initv thing. |
| 11:23.37 | ancky | Brigo: okay I will look for it when it booted again |
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| 11:24.33 | ancky | yes its an updated stable, it should still be initsysv |
| 11:24.52 | edakiri | What is the origin for cdrom ? |
| 11:25.06 | Brigo | ancky, current stable, jessie, use systemd as default. |
| 11:25.25 | Brigo | edakiri, ? |
| 11:26.20 | edakiri | Sorry, that was unclear. What is used as the origin for cdrom for use as a selector in pins or with aptitude search? |
| 11:26.25 | Brigo | ancky, you can check what init are you using with cat /proc/1/comm |
| 11:26.57 | Brigo | edakiri, i don't know about pinning, sorry. |
| 11:27.20 | ancky | Brigo: it was a debian 6, then I updated it to 7 and because some things didn't work I went ahead to testing, I thought it only goes to systemd you reinstall it |
| 11:27.29 | Brigo | nor advadced aptitude search |
| 11:28.02 | Brigo | ancky, no, you will get systemd when you upgrade to 8. |
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| 11:28.33 | Brigo | ancky, what things did not work in the upgrade from 6 to 7? |
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| 11:29.16 | ancky | Brigo: okay, so maybe that happened. The dist upgrade was 2 months ago. cat comm says init |
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| 11:30.00 | Brigo | ancky, then you are with all sysvinit, :) |
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| 11:32.02 | ancky | Brigo: and I was wrong with the errormessage, it says something like mountkernfs.sh can't find mountpoint |
| 11:32.57 | at0m|c | does the mount point exist? |
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| 11:33.26 | at0m|c | if not, mkdir /mount/point ? |
| 11:33.41 | ancky | sure, everything is there |
| 11:33.44 | at0m|c | hm |
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| 11:34.13 | Brigo | ancky, run it: /etc/init.d/mountkernfs.sh start |
| 11:35.01 | ancky | Brigo: ah so mountkernfs.sh is really missing |
| 11:35.25 | Brigo | ancky, there is no /etc/init.d/mountkernfs.sh file? |
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| 11:36.33 | ancky | Brigo: no there isn't |
| 11:37.02 | Brigo | ancky, well, you will need it :) |
| 11:37.31 | Brigo | it is in initscripts package, can you check if you have it installed? |
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| 11:38.10 | ancky | Brigo: yes it's there |
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| 11:39.59 | ancky | or installed, you know what I mean |
| 11:40.00 | catattack | hey any gurus around? |
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| 11:40.47 | catattack | wondering if there is a package thats like dict but just for linux system terms |
| 11:41.27 | catattack | so i can look up terms like masquerade or .. etc |
| 11:41.35 | no_gravity | does a "grep -r something *" create b trillion writes because of atime? and is mounting drives with noatime the solution to this? |
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| 11:42.39 | Brigo | ancky, what version? |
| 11:42.55 | Brigo | ,v initscrips |
| 11:42.56 | judd | No package named 'initscrips' was found in amd64. |
| 11:43.11 | Brigo | ,v initscripts |
| 11:43.12 | judd | Package: initscripts on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.88dsf-13.1+squeeze1; wheezy: 2.88dsf-41+deb7u1; jessie: 2.88dsf-59; sid: 2.88dsf-59.2; stretch: 2.88dsf-59.2 |
| 11:43.25 | ancky | Brigo: 2.88dsf-59.1 |
| 11:43.52 | Brigo | ancky, the reinstall it, with apt-get installl initscripts --reinstall |
| 11:44.03 | Brigo | and then check if the file is there. |
| 11:44.24 | ancky | Brigo: networking doesn't work |
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| 11:47.24 | Brigo | ancky, you should have already it in cache |
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| 11:48.06 | Brigo | have you tried it ? |
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| 11:49.40 | ancky | Brigo: yes it isn't working its trying to download them, but I have it in my backups. I'm making new backups right now and when its finished I will try to copy the files |
| 11:50.25 | Brigo | ancky, backup! it is a nice solution. :D |
| 11:50.40 | Brigo | i'll go to take a shower will be right back :) |
| 11:52.17 | ancky | Brigo: me too, thanks for the help so far |
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| 12:05.23 | LordShiva | o/ |
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| 12:44.23 | ancky | Brigo: I get more and more confused, mountkernfs.sh is where it should be, maybe I overlooked it or apt repaired it, I'm not sure |
| 12:45.05 | ancky | when I run it, it replicates the errors I see during boot, mountpoint: not found |
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| 13:14.30 | cybrNaut | the iceweasel default search page quit working |
| 13:14.43 | cybrNaut | i enter a search phrase, and it just goes to lunch |
| 13:15.08 | cybrNaut | the little spinny wheely thingamabob just spins forever |
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| 13:20.46 | cybrNaut | WARNING torsocks[9387]: Config file contains unknown value: server_port = 9050 (in parse_config_line() at config-file.c:231) |
| 13:20.55 | cybrNaut | that happens after dist-upgrade to jessie |
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| 13:24.02 | Tenkawa | any of you running plain debian on a banana pro by chance? |
| 13:24.47 | Tenkawa | if so... does the sata/wifi work decently well? |
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| 13:26.50 | fennesz | Hello ! Do you guys know anything of this error : Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "canberra-gtk-module" |
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| 13:27.41 | Brigo | ancky, are you still there? |
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| 13:28.19 | ahop | Hi! Where is the official page + support page + dev for "cdeboostrap" |
| 13:28.30 | ahop | I don't find it easily |
| 13:28.39 | ahop | I find related topics, but no real "homepage" for this proejct |
| 13:29.12 | Brigo | ahop, try asking in #debian-cd in oftc network. |
| 13:29.21 | themill | not all projects have web pages |
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| 13:31.56 | Brigo | ancky, i think you just miss some mountpoint. Did you check /run and/or /run/lock ? |
| 13:33.13 | Brigo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:34.34 | ahop | Brigo: what is it? |
| 13:34.42 | ahop | cd? |
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| 13:36.21 | Brigo | ahop, oftc? anothere irc network (debian's official) |
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| 13:37.46 | Brigo | ahop, #debian-cd is a channel about debian into a cd. |
| 13:38.26 | Zumochi | Hello! On Wheezy, is it possible to install the OpenJDK JDK from the repositories without all the GUI stuff? |
| 13:39.21 | Brigo | Zumochi, something like: openjdk-8-jre-headless |
| 13:39.52 | Zumochi | Brigo: yeah I searched for that, but only the JRE is available headless |
| 13:40.01 | Brigo | Zumochi, mmm |
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| 13:43.50 | ahop | Brigo: what is a "cd" ? |
| 13:44.01 | ahop | oh you mean a CD ROM ? |
| 13:44.08 | Brigo | ahop, oh, yes :) |
| 13:44.26 | ahop | sorry lol |
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| 13:44.33 | ahop | cdebootstrap is not about this |
| 13:44.45 | ahop | something else, I have a problem with tar |
| 13:44.55 | ahop | tar ... exclude=files/*.zip doesn't work |
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| 13:48.52 | ToApolytoXaos | guys, question: i build my own Code::Blocks packages with command "dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc"; I wanted to ask, is there a way to tell it to use a different version of wx-config? |
| 13:49.15 | ToApolytoXaos | something like "wx-config --version=2.8" |
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| 13:52.13 | arminius | hi. after upgrading to jessie, it seems that none of my acpi handler scripts in /etc are being processed anymore, and the only thing i could find related to locking the screen when closing the laptops lid was gnome-related. any hint? |
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| 13:55.37 | quarterback | Hello, a newbie question on debian administration, I have a server running debian 7 x86_64, how to make it a minimal debian x86_64 after the server is already setup? I am trying to shed some weight of the server. |
| 13:55.49 | snima | How much it take to create a remaster of debian with customized logo and theme? |
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| 13:57.26 | Brigo | arminius, yes, logind |
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| 13:57.47 | arminius | Brigo: ah, additional systemd madness? |
| 13:58.41 | Brigo | arminius, not a madness, trust me :) |
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| 13:58.56 | dvs | insanity! |
| 13:58.57 | nickgaw | Hi, How do I either report a bug or rebuild a version of the debian-installer complete with non-free firmware that also supports espeakup when the iso is booted as I am totally blind and the firmware non-free iso you can download when I press S at the boot prompt speech does not start automatically after I press enter? |
| 13:59.14 | Brigo | arminius, man logind.conf, you just have to change some parameters as you wish. |
| 13:59.34 | arminius | Brigo: yeah i'm just reading that as the default logind.conf doesn't even have any comments. |
| 14:00.01 | Brigo | arminius, check the manpage, but the variable names are quite selfexplanatories. |
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| 14:00.20 | soundtoxin | anyone here have experience using youtube-dl? |
| 14:00.26 | arminius | soundtoxin: yes |
| 14:00.28 | soundtoxin | I did a quick read of the man page but it wasn't very helpful |
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| 14:00.37 | soundtoxin | arminius: I just need to know how to play a twitch stream with it if possible |
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| 14:00.51 | arminius | soundtoxin: well it downloads movies, it doesn't play them. |
| 14:01.08 | soundtoxin | arminius: there's a possibility that you're unaware of how many features it has |
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| 14:01.33 | soundtoxin | arminius: https://rg3.github.io/youtube-dl/supportedsites.html (ctrl-f 'twitch') |
| 14:01.42 | cybrNaut | soundtoxin: i abandoned youtube-dl in favor of cclive |
| 14:01.53 | arminius | soundtoxin: since i wrote several wrappers and scrapers that use it, i highly doubt it, but feel free to play videos using youtube-dl if that works for you. |
| 14:01.57 | cybrNaut | youtube-dl was high maintenance |
| 14:02.10 | citylight2 | hi, where can I ask about how to change config files in a deb file I am writing? |
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| 14:02.29 | soundtoxin | arminius: that's nice but I'm certain this is possible |
| 14:02.48 | citylight2 | I want my deb to change a config file owned by connman |
| 14:03.03 | arminius | Brigo: well from all that i have seen the whole systemd migration is the ony that causes major headaches, but that might be just because i've been bsd systems for too long. |
| 14:03.50 | Brigo | arminius, yes, the systemd migration was not easy to achieve. |
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| 14:04.19 | arminius | soundtoxin: are you aware of the fact that it is not a graphical application, not linked against gtk/xlib/whatever, not playing audio or video, not displaying graphical user interfaces, at all? |
| 14:04.41 | arminius | Brigo: it's seriously causing anger, yes. |
| 14:05.56 | pipl | Hello, how can I list shared libs of a 32 bit executable while I am in 64 bit system ? ldd returns " not a dynamic executable ". libc-bin which contains ldd appears to not support multiarch. |
| 14:06.02 | cybrNaut | what's scary about systemd: there is a bug that it does a kill -9 on stuff without giving a chance to gracefully cleanup. Could be a disaster with LUKS (encrypted drives) |
| 14:07.08 | cybrNaut | how do systemd users with LUKS installed shutdown? |
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| 14:08.28 | frostschutz | cybrNaut, what does it kill exactly and how is it a problem with LUKS? As long as filesystems are umounted properly and data synced, LUKS doesn't care |
| 14:08.30 | Brigo | cybrNaut, i think you are talkinga about a bug, in a early, testing release. |
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| 14:09.28 | cybrNaut | Brigo: if the bug is gone, then someone should remove the warning about it from the release notes |
| 14:09.31 | quarterback | What is afs3-fileserver , its a program running on debian machine, not sure what it means? |
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| 14:09.47 | Brigo | cybrNaut, let me check it. |
| 14:09.55 | arminius | Brigo: well i use unix systems since over 20 years now, usually i get the trivial tasks done without any true blockers, but getting a notebook to lock the screen when closing the lid with systemd is by far the most time-consuming tiny thing causing major headache. |
| 14:10.01 | Brigo | cybrNaut, jessie release notes you mean? |
| 14:10.11 | cybrNaut | frostschutz: when the system is shutting down, everything is killed. |
| 14:10.13 | cybrNaut | Brigo: yes |
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| 14:10.59 | cybrNaut | frostschutz: so i'm concerned that LUKS will shutdown when stuff isn't synced |
| 14:11.27 | cybrNaut | (LUKS will have no choice if it's being SIGKILL'd) |
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| 14:12.00 | frostschutz | sigkill what, a kernel process? |
| 14:12.45 | cybrNaut | frostschutz: as I understand it, everything is 'sigkill'ed when systemd shuts down |
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| 14:13.26 | srg | Is there a way to get rid of the `~/xfce4-session.verbose-log` and `~/xfce4-session.verbose-log.last` and `~/xsession-errors` files? Like, prevent them from being generated? |
| 14:13.29 | frostschutz | there's a misunderstanding somewhere, then. it probably kills userland processes that refuse to quit, but that happened even before systemd |
| 14:13.32 | relaxed | arminius: did you look at man logind.conf |
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| 14:13.53 | cybrNaut | frostschutz: the bug report says that systemd gives no grace period for SIGTERM to work |
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| 14:14.10 | arminius | Brigo: i mean the only thing that digging deeper here really leads to is a perfect entropy of chaos of terrible documentation, uncommented config files and symlink orgy, along with lennarts very own style of not giving a f*ck when writing documentation. |
| 14:14.13 | arminius | relaxed: sure. |
| 14:14.19 | citylight2 | is this the channel to ask for debian packaging policies? |
| 14:14.24 | Brigo | cybrNaut, you are right, but it shouldn't be too important as far as there is a patch pending to install in stable since some time. |
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| 14:14.35 | mjt | citylight2: debian packaging: #debian-mentors |
| 14:14.59 | citylight2 | thanks mjt |
| 14:15.12 | frostschutz | cybrNaut, even so, it doesn't affect luks. if you killed luks while stuff on top of luks was still mounted, you'd get kernel panics. the system would lock up instead of shutting down |
| 14:15.12 | cybrNaut | Brigo: but until that patch is rolled out, am I subject to a race condition where LUKS drives could get corrupted? |
| 14:15.23 | citylight2 | but #debian-mentors is invite only |
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| 14:15.44 | quarterback | Can anybody tell what is afs3-fileserver ? |
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| 14:15.55 | citylight2 | can anyone please invite me? |
| 14:15.56 | cybrNaut | frostschutz: ok.. that was my biggest concert |
| 14:16.00 | cybrNaut | *concern |
| 14:16.16 | Brigo | cybrNaut, i think so. |
| 14:16.17 | Brigo | citylight2, in oftc irc network not freenode |
| 14:16.24 | citylight2 | thanks |
| 14:17.04 | Brigo | citylight2, np :) |
| 14:17.07 | cybrNaut | Brigo: did you see what frostschutz just wrote? are you disagreeing with him? |
| 14:17.31 | Brigo | cybrNaut, i have never used luks, so i cannot tell. |
| 14:17.44 | cybrNaut | ah, ok, nevermind then |
| 14:17.59 | arminius | Brigo: it's seriously not funny. i will just live with the workaround of having to lock the screen manually by just hitting the blue thinkvantage button that triggers a custom keybinding which in turn just locks the screen using a custom command. but this is really the first time since 15 years i'm not able to get my computer to lock when closing the lid because neither the uncommented configfile nor the |
| 14:18.01 | arminius | manpage written without the will in mind that an experienced unix admin could get something going, is just madness. |
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| 14:18.14 | relaxed | arminius: so you configured systemd to ignore closing the lid? |
| 14:18.29 | arminius | and yes i've written systemd unit files, migrations to journal, etc. |
| 14:18.36 | arminius | relaxed: no. |
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| 14:20.29 | arminius | relaxed: but that could be worth another try, i assume. |
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| 14:21.24 | arminius | relaxed: are you talking about HandleSuspendKey= ? |
| 14:21.24 | soundtoxin | arminius: I'm pretty sure you can have youtube-dl open content in mpv or vlc and whatnot |
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| 14:22.01 | arminius | soundtoxin: well it's quite interesting that you could write a program that launches another program. but that doesn't make your program have the capabilities of the latter program. |
| 14:22.12 | soundtoxin | I have never written a program |
| 14:22.18 | soundtoxin | I am insisting that this was a native feature |
| 14:22.24 | arminius | soundtoxin: see, there's your problem. |
| 14:22.41 | arminius | soundtoxin: well it isn't, as you just pointed out yourself. |
| 14:22.46 | nickgaw | Are there any good text based browsers that can play youtube videos? |
| 14:23.15 | arminius | nickgaw: no. there are a few players capable of speaking to libcaca and libaa, which can play videos on terminals or tty's. |
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| 14:23.44 | soundtoxin | arminius: I'm glad to hear you've got a boner for arguing semantics, now I'll clarify for you. I believe you can use youtube-dl to open a video in a media player rather than just downloading a file. I believe you can also use this ability to watch a twitch stream without having flash installed. Care to comment on this? |
| 14:25.04 | arminius | soundtoxin: sure not. the idea of "downloading" a file is just a completely different than "streaming" the file. if you stream the file, you would be able to get the actual contents, WHILE playing the video, filling a buffer you play from in behind. that's completely contradictious to the idea of downloading a video. |
| 14:26.00 | relaxed | recent mpv does just that using lua/youtube-dl |
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| 14:26.21 | soundtoxin | listen, I think the issue here is that you're thinking about the context of videos instead of streams, the action of streaming versus downloading a video doesn't matter in this context |
| 14:26.26 | soundtoxin | the thing i want to watch is not done broadcasting |
| 14:26.26 | arminius | soundtoxin: also, if you would just scrape a webpage for links that would allow you to stream that video, passing that links to youtube-dl would just be wrong, as well. |
| 14:26.27 | soundtoxin | I want to watch it live |
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| 14:26.40 | soundtoxin | relaxed: any idea how I get that going? |
| 14:27.08 | arminius | soundtoxin: oh it pretty much does, as the one will first download the data before you can play it. i think you confuse those basic 2 entirely different terms here. |
| 14:27.21 | soundtoxin | I never said they were anything but entirely different |
| 14:27.32 | soundtoxin | I would never choose to stream something over downloading it |
| 14:27.37 | soundtoxin | however I cannot download a twitch stream that hasn't finished |
| 14:27.41 | arminius | soundtoxin: so what do you want to use youtube-dl for, then? |
| 14:27.57 | arminius | ah |
| 14:27.58 | soundtoxin | I think relaxed has a better understanding of the situation, don't worry about me |
| 14:28.02 | relaxed | soundtoxin: I build it using https://github.com/mpv-player/mpv-build , "apt-get build-dep mpv" before building it, then install the latest youtube-dl in your $PATH |
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| 14:28.39 | soundtoxin | relaxed: after both are installed what is the syntax like? |
| 14:29.16 | relaxed | /path/to/new/mpv 'youtube url' |
| 14:29.19 | arminius | soundtoxin: well i won't make wild assumptions about what you actually try to do and rather just point you into asking good answerable questions. no offense. |
| 14:30.12 | soundtoxin | arminius: I fully believe you are not only at fault, but continuing to misunderstand things |
| 14:30.20 | soundtoxin | relaxed: thanks for the help |
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| 14:31.08 | relaxed | soundtoxin: you can run the new mpv from the source dir if you don't want to make a package for it or "install" it |
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| 14:37.20 | arminius | soundtoxin: i can't help you then probably. sorry. :) |
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| 14:37.56 | soundtoxin | That much was clear to me early on. I do not hold it against you. I've come into contact with many like you in IRC. Don't feel bad. |
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| 14:40.32 | arminius | shouldn't acpid execute some scripts in /etc/acpi/events when a) installed and b) running? |
| 14:41.12 | arminius | soundtoxin: well i was just about to make sure everyone reading along the lines understands that youtube-dl won't play videos on its own. sorry to be a picky bastard here. |
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| 14:41.55 | soundtoxin | there's the slightest chance I was thinking of livestreamer and that page insisting youtube-dl supports twitch streams was just a red herring |
| 14:41.59 | soundtoxin | although I must say the "on its own" bit shouldn't matter |
| 14:42.25 | soundtoxin | I have found pages where people have done what I want with youtube-dl however I think livestreamer is more tailored to my exact desired use |
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| 14:47.14 | relaxed | arminius: maybe HandleLidSwitch=lock in logind.conf ? |
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| 14:48.10 | arminius | relaxed: will give that a go. thanks for your hint. |
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| 15:00.50 | banjo | is it possible to check with a command which files are sourced in bash? |
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| 15:02.28 | jaybe | banjo, not sure what that means/ what you're asking |
| 15:03.10 | relaxed | banjo: look at BASH_SOURCE in the man page |
| 15:03.24 | at0m|c | or try /etc/bash.* and .bash* ? |
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| 15:03.53 | relaxed | oh wait, I don't think that's correct |
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| 15:07.36 | banjo | jaybe: i want list all files that are sourced in current bash-session. but with one command and not look in my bashrc/etc |
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| 15:08.21 | Brigo | banjo, i think you can't. |
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| 15:12.31 | banjo | other question is why xrdb gives me error messages when i comment with ! and have an ' in the line(but not in all lines). i now comment my xdefaults with /* text */ ant the problems are gone |
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| 15:13.36 | banjo | like inline-commenting with ! produces errors too |
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| 15:16.46 | brainwash | only lines starting ! are ignored |
| 15:17.29 | helmut | hi. is there a document describing options to create cloud/vm installation images? looking for root-less options (i.e. not vmdebootstrap) in particular. |
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| 15:17.42 | banjo | brainwash: thaught so too but not here |
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| 15:18.00 | banjo | some commented lines with ! are not ignored |
| 15:18.59 | banjo | but if you mean you can only comment with !. you can do it with /* ... */ too |
| 15:19.00 | brainwash | odd, but maybe it's a known bug or limitation |
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| 15:20.02 | brainwash | I meant that you can only comment a line with ! if it appears at the beginning |
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| 15:20.35 | banjo | i checked it multiple times. maybe some typos...but nothing |
| 15:20.41 | cybrNaut | totem clashes with mythtv in debian, apparently |
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| 15:21.16 | banjo | brainwash: ah ok. i saw in many wikis that !-inline-commenting is possible too |
| 15:21.20 | cybrNaut | iirc, mythtv is a 3rd party app. Apparently I need to remove it? or is there a good alternative to totem? |
| 15:21.42 | cybrNaut | s/debian/jessie/ |
| 15:23.40 | brainwash | banjo: maybe I should test this, haven't touched my resource file in quite some time |
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| 15:27.49 | cybrNaut | can't find package Expect <= what happened to /expect/? |
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| 15:28.19 | cybrNaut | aptitude shows that it's installed, but tcl code drops the ball |
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| 15:30.26 | at0m|c | cybrNaut: if you don't need tuner cards, kodi/xbmc does the job mythttv does |
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| 15:30.39 | at0m|c | and see #mythtv |
| 15:30.53 | at0m|c | or mythtv-users iirc |
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| 15:31.21 | Brigo | ,v expect |
| 15:31.22 | judd | Package: expect on amd64 -- squeeze: 5.44.1.15-4; wheezy: 5.45-2; sid: 5.45-6; jessie: 5.45-6; stretch: 5.45-6 |
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| 15:35.10 | cybrNaut | got the answer on /expect/.. it's quite bizarre |
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| 15:35.30 | cybrNaut | tcl 8.5 used to include expect, but no longer |
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| 15:36.11 | cybrNaut | jessie introduces /expect/ with tcl 8.6, but *drops* /expect/ from tcl 8.5 (yet tcl 8.5 is still included) |
| 15:36.16 | cybrNaut | seems like nuts to me |
| 15:36.28 | cybrNaut | they should have just left tcl 8.5 alone, and added 8.6 |
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| 15:37.01 | cybrNaut | at0m|c: thanks, i'll check it out |
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| 15:41.57 | arminius | relaxed: so, i can set it to "ignore" and that will let systemd not handle it, at all, but that still doesn't let acpid execute any scripts in /etc/acpi/events |
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| 15:48.35 | arminius | hah! i finally got it to execute a command! |
| 15:48.40 | arminius | tada.wav |
| 15:49.31 | SpaceKookie | I'm developing an app and want to host repos on my server (running Fedora 22 server). To create an RPM repo there are tools to make my life easy (haven't done that yet but I know there are tools ^^). Now I wanted to ask, if there are tools that specifically cator to people like me? :P |
| 15:51.29 | peterrooney | takes a much closer look at the channel name |
| 15:51.45 | head8debian | SpaceKookie: Try #fedora :) |
| 15:52.27 | SpaceKookie | head8debian, Error: loop detected! "Why don't you ask the #debian guys" was what I wa told there XD |
| 15:52.59 | head8debian | Bu its not related to debian, is it? |
| 15:53.17 | brainwash | maybe you should rephrase your question then |
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| 15:53.48 | SpaceKookie | It is related to debian packaging and how to host a repo. Do I just throw a bunch of folders into an apache server and be done with it? Are there tools to automate that for me? I browsed around on your wiki and couldn't find anything that helped me. |
| 15:56.14 | arminius | SpaceKookie: there's a lot of stuff that may be of help, yes. |
| 15:56.39 | arminius | SpaceKookie: did you read this here? https://wiki.debian.org/HowToSetupADebianRepository |
| 15:57.12 | SpaceKookie | I saw that, yes. Though from all those tools I really don't know which one I would want. Thus...me in an IRC :p |
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| 16:06.42 | mamins1376 | Hi. I installed NetworkManager. i want to create a ad-hoc but wpa2 method disabled. how do i fix it? |
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| 16:13.12 | mamins1376 | thank guys, bye ;) |
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| 16:13.44 | yeehi | what is the name for the live usb creator in Debian 7 (KDE) |
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| 16:25.50 | Andocromn | anyone know what package contains/installs the file /etc/init.d/networking? for some reason i'm missing it |
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| 16:28.32 | verboese | Andocromn: ifupdown: /etc/init.d/networking |
| 16:28.40 | verboese | at least for jessie |
| 16:28.41 | c0de1 | netbase maybe |
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| 16:29.05 | jaybe | `dpkg -S /etc/init.d/networking` |
| 16:29.19 | verboese | or https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 16:29.41 | Andocromn | it was ifupdown. thanks |
| 16:30.07 | c0de1 | :P{ |
| 16:30.08 | c0de1 | :P |
| 16:30.53 | Andocromn | nice and that fixed my issue |
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| 16:50.01 | ancky | Brigo: /proc and /sys are mounted, mount shows them, but when I try to start dbus it exits with the error that /proc is not mounted |
| 16:50.47 | somiaj | ancky: custom kernel or debian kernel? |
| 16:51.12 | somiaj | ancky: also ls /proc (you actually see the files in there more than mout saying it is mounted)? |
| 16:51.57 | ancky | somiaj: debian kernel and there is the "normal" stuff in proc |
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| 16:53.35 | somiaj | then the only thing I could think of is for some reason a module that dbus needs that puts info in /proc is not loaded. |
| 16:53.46 | somiaj | but I'm unsure on the details of dbus, it has just worked for me |
| 16:54.46 | ancky | somiaj: it's not just dbus, I'm running testing and since an update yesterday nothing seems to be running fine |
| 16:55.37 | ancky | I'm trying to find all the errors it throws while booting but don't know where to start |
| 16:57.44 | somiaj | ancky: welcome to testing, I'd check the bts and see if you can figure out what bug you have found |
| 16:57.52 | somiaj | also apt-listbugs is a good thing to have installed when running testing |
| 16:59.21 | somiaj | you can look at the logs in /var/log/apt/history.log and see which packages have been upgraded and gives you an idea where to start looking for bugs in the bts |
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| 16:59.54 | ancky | somiaj: thanks :) |
| 16:59.55 | ancky | I'm going through syslog and dbus can't connect to the socket |
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| 17:01.21 | at0m|c | when i was here 10 years ago mentioning testing would get me instant flamed |
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| 17:01.35 | at0m|c | glad to see that's not the case |
| 17:02.18 | somiaj | it is just expected that people who run testing know how to fix their machine when it breaks. (: |
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| 17:02.31 | at0m|c | ah maybe i didnt back then :D |
| 17:06.11 | somiaj | at0m|c: yea we still warn people about testing, that when the machine breaks you get to keep all the parts (: |
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| 17:06.57 | at0m|c | been on testing ever since, and yea it's handy to keep a spare machine for redundancy :D |
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| 17:07.53 | somiaj | #debian-next on irc.oftc.net is the prefered place to talk about testing issues |
| 17:08.10 | at0m|c | oh ok tx |
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| 17:08.25 | somiaj | but anyways I didn't find any obvious bugs in dbus or procps, it might be a kernel bug or some other low level thing that dbus depends on. |
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| 17:12.14 | ancky | somiaj: I will check the channel out |
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| 17:16.33 | ancky | at0m|c: yes a spare machine is always good. normally my linux foo is good enough but I will call it a day and reinstall the machine |
| 17:17.06 | at0m|c | ancky: let it rest for a while. call it a day. tomorrow afresh. |
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| 17:17.34 | at0m|c | reinstall is really rly last resort |
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| 17:18.22 | at0m|c | !? |
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| 17:22.12 | relaxed | arminius: ah! how did you get it to work? |
| 17:23.13 | jmd | My (nfs mounted /home) doesn't get mounted at boot time (since upgrading to Debian 8). Mounting it manually with mount /home works fine. I suspect this is because the new init system is not clever enough to know that it needs a network. How can I debug this? |
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| 17:25.51 | arminius | relaxed: oh quite a bit of a hack - i just played around with your suggestion and set the named variable to "ignore". that would at least let acpid execute some scripts obviously, and so i just execute a bin/lidhandler in a users home, if present. from there i can just let my custom locker do whatever is needed to lock the screen and THEN attempt to sudo pm-suspend. |
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| 17:41.08 | Crucerio | Hi, anyone wanna join me for a CUPS session? I am failing to authenticate my account to the web interface |
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| 17:42.13 | petemc | Crucerio: are you trying from localhost or a remote machine? |
| 17:42.22 | Crucerio | http://localhost:631/admin |
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| 17:43.12 | petemc | Crucerio: who are you trying to authenticate as? |
| 17:43.23 | petemc | if its your normal user, they need to be in lpadmin group |
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| 17:45.20 | Crucerio | petemc: ok then I just need to perform: useradd group lpadmin <myusername> and then restart the cupsd? |
| 17:45.59 | petemc | Crucerio: you usually need to log out and back in for group settings to take effect, not sure if restartign cups is suuficient |
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| 17:46.51 | Crucerio | Do I have the useradd command in the right order? |
| 17:47.09 | petemc | you can do it with adduser username groupname |
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| 17:48.38 | Crucerio | ok, I will relog now, see you in a sec |
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| 17:55.12 | Crucerio | I had to restart completely, now I am authenticated, thank you for your help |
| 17:56.05 | cybrNaut | after the upgrade to jessie, the emacs-based gnus newsreader seems to be downloading the world |
| 17:56.18 | cybrNaut | i was expecting it to only download articles since my last download |
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| 18:10.59 | Crucerio | ok, cool I managed to print a greyscale page, by choosing some random printer version in CUPS, if I upgrade the CUPS version, will I find newer printers in the list? |
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| 18:25.48 | jhutchins | Crucerio: Pretty much depends on what cups has changed. You can check their website. |
| 18:26.36 | jhutchins | Crucerio: You can also search your printermodel + ppd |
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| 18:37.03 | Nebukadneza | heho |
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| 18:38.23 | Nebukadneza | iâve just tried to switch from proprietary nvidia driver (140M notebook card, installed via nvidia installer, not dpkg) to nouveau â i installed libdrm-nouveau, the xorg driver, and libgl<all of them>-mesa |
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| 18:39.00 | Nebukadneza | then changed the driver line in xorg.conf, update-alternatives to set mesa GL for glx, then started xorg |
| 18:39.21 | Nebukadneza | however, glxgears wonât start, and glxinfo also doesnât⦠|
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| 18:39.44 | Nebukadneza | both with couldnât find rgba visual <â¦> |
| 18:39.49 | Nebukadneza | any idea what i could try? |
| 18:40.41 | cybrNaut | the gnome settings icon is broken in jessie |
| 18:41.09 | mtn_ | cybrNaut: you mean system settings? |
| 18:41.16 | cybrNaut | on the top-right there is a pull-down which has a power switch, and to the left of that there is a monkey wrench and a screwdriver |
| 18:41.29 | mtn_ | cybrNaut: works fine on my jessie |
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| 18:41.37 | cybrNaut | the monkey wrench/screwdriver icon does nothing for me |
| 18:41.59 | cybrNaut | it highlights when I click it, so it's a sensitive button, but no action |
| 18:42.42 | mtn_ | cybrNaut: any other graphics problems? is this a clean install? |
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| 18:43.18 | brandan` | do you have gnome-control-center package installed |
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| 18:43.18 | cybrNaut | mtn_: it's a dist-upgrade from wheezy |
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| 18:43.38 | cybrNaut | when I click while tailing /var/log/messages, it shows: Indicator<._onSettingsClicked@resource:///org/gnome/shell/ui/status/system.js:366 |
| 18:43.40 | bazhang | ,v lives |
| 18:43.41 | judd | Package: lives on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.3.4-1; wheezy: 1.6.2~ds1-2; jessie: 2.2.6~ds0-1; sid: 2.2.8~ds0-1 |
| 18:43.46 | cybrNaut | wrapper@resource:///org/gnome/gjs/modules/lang.js:169 |
| 18:43.55 | cybrNaut | brandan`: will check |
| 18:44.16 | mtn_ | cybrNaut: mine is too and works fine, but if it is not a graphics problem, then something must be corrupted during the upgrade. |
| 18:44.50 | cybrNaut | brandan`: I have gnome-control-center-data installed, but not gnome-control-center |
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| 18:46.23 | brandan` | could that be your issue? https://packages.debian.org/jessie/gnome-control-center |
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| 18:47.06 | cybrNaut | aptitude says the status of gnome-control-center is "pB" |
| 18:47.22 | cybrNaut | p means uninstalled, iirc, but what does the "B" mean? |
| 18:47.39 | brandan` | not sure, maybe it's in man |
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| 18:47.59 | at0m|c | in ? even |
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| 18:48.23 | at0m|c | B for Broken |
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| 18:49.38 | cybrNaut | at0m|c: not sure what you mean with the question mark |
| 18:49.46 | cybrNaut | but i suppose i should install it |
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| 18:50.22 | brandan` | i think he means aptitude help arg |
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| 18:50.33 | brandan` | probably a quicker ref than man |
| 18:50.43 | at0m|c | cybrNaut: yes, ? in aptitude brings up the help |
| 18:50.47 | banjo | where i set up how many *.log file are held. for example the /var/log/apt/history.log* files |
| 18:50.47 | at0m|c | buit-in manual |
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| 18:51.59 | cybrNaut | ah yes, i never use the gui aptitude. that's useful though |
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| 18:52.22 | banjo | doesnt seem that /etc/rsyslog.conf is the place |
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| 18:54.43 | cybrNaut | the gui aptitude suggests holding some packages at their current version. Why would it suggest that? i mean, if there are issues with later versions, then they should not be released, right? |
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| 18:57.19 | cybrNaut | i might have bigger problems |
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| 18:57.39 | cybrNaut | the gnome-core package is "pi", so purged, and simultaneously installed? |
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| 18:57.48 | cybrNaut | that doesn't seem right |
| 18:59.55 | banjo | ok found it in /etc/logrotate.d/apt. now when i changed it, what have i to restart? rsyslog? |
| 18:59.59 | banjo | nothing? |
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| 19:00.52 | cybrNaut | wow.. so i'm installing gnome-core. i knew the dist-upgrade was a dodgy thing to use |
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| 19:01.28 | jmd | How can I see the messages that get printed to the console on boot? They all get cleared before the login screen appears. No, they are not in dmesg. |
| 19:01.34 | cybrNaut | and that installed the gnome-control-center |
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| 19:02.00 | cybrNaut | and now the settings icon works |
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| 19:02.41 | brandan` | maybe gnome is the dodgy thing :D |
| 19:02.48 | brandan` | xfce upgraded without a problem for me |
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| 19:04.15 | cybrNaut | brandan`: i might consider switching. gnome is doing some weird stuff.. like when I move the mouse sometimes it does the same as up-arrow, so my irc history gets loaded on the send line |
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| 19:04.37 | cybrNaut | it's a bit touchy |
| 19:04.54 | cybrNaut | might be tempting to try Rat Poison |
| 19:05.08 | AshleyNX | trying to kill us? |
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| 19:05.12 | cybrNaut | (a gnu screen-like version of a window manager) |
| 19:05.57 | cybrNaut | AshleyNX: that will be the last resort, when the rat poison window manager fails :) |
| 19:06.42 | AshleyNX | ;/ |
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| 19:07.16 | cybrNaut | nice.. now I can finally get rid of that dripping sound |
| 19:07.32 | cybrNaut | in short, i had to install gnome-core to stop the dripping sound |
| 19:08.12 | brandan` | sounds like gnome-core was the penicillin to your computer's syphilis |
| 19:08.46 | f-a | how do I block timidity (or any other program) from popping up at every restart? |
| 19:09.08 | f-a | I guess by modifying something in /etc/init.d , but I am unsure what |
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| 19:10.46 | ryouma | f-a: dunno, but i would guess that your desktop has some sort of session stored in your home dir. maybe grep dot files. |
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| 19:13.53 | f-a | ryouma: I have no DE. I just installed gnu solfege (that carries timidity dep) |
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| 19:14.27 | cybrNaut | i get "Unable to satisfy the build-depends: Build-Depends: libdb4.8++-dev" when running "aptitude build-dep bitcoind" |
| 19:14.32 | cybrNaut | how might I fix that? |
| 19:14.43 | shay_shay | f-a: describe how it "pops" up? |
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| 19:15.35 | Fahrradkette | hey guys. How can I force iceweasel to use a specific audio device like I can do in VLC/Audacity? |
| 19:16.03 | shay_shay | f-a: https://packages.debian.org/jessie/all/timidity-daemon/filelist |
| 19:16.08 | f-a | shay_shay: sorry. I meant that when I ps -e | grep timidity I see the process running |
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| 19:16.27 | f-a | and btw I have to become root to kill it |
| 19:16.46 | brandan` | cybrNaut you may have to look at adding old repos to your apt repos list |
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| 19:17.55 | f-a | thanks shay_shay , I'll uninstall that |
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| 19:18.05 | cybrNaut | brandan`: ah, ok. so i change jessie to wheezy, aptitude update, aptitude install libdb4.8++-dev, then revert the sources.list back? |
| 19:18.25 | brandan` | that sounds like a good plan, but i can't say for certain |
| 19:18.44 | shay_shay | f-a: thats likely the dependency you are talking about, you cant uninstall it if something else uses it. you want to disable it from starting automaticallyt |
| 19:18.48 | brandan` | maybe just add it to the list for the install, not necessarily replace jessie refs |
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| 19:18.49 | shay_shay | ...i think |
| 19:18.53 | cybrNaut | brandan`: i might also be tempted to try with the package versions I have already |
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| 19:19.25 | cybrNaut | brandan`: i don't think I can just asked to install it, since that version is not available in jessie |
| 19:19.28 | AshleyNX | Dell Insiron 5100 laptop running Debian Jssie like gold <3 |
| 19:19.31 | f-a | shay_shay: it only suggests it though (timidity suggests the daemon) |
| 19:19.54 | shay_shay | f-a: oh... then uninstall it |
| 19:20.17 | f-a | and gnu solfege runs an instance of timidity by itself if it is not found, so I should be ok |
| 19:20.21 | f-a | thanks again |
| 19:20.31 | brandan` | cybrNaut here's a start: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/60555/debian-is-it-possible-safe-to-install-packages-from-an-older-version-of-the-rep |
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| 19:20.44 | fennesz | Guys is there any reason my system hangs after hibernation?I am using Debian 8 |
| 19:20.46 | brandan` | looksl ike you may be able to do something like apt-get -t wheezy libd4.8 blah blah |
| 19:21.06 | brandan` | i can't check this atm, sorry |
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| 19:21.13 | shay_shay | fennesz: hangs for how long? |
| 19:21.13 | cybrNaut | ah, thanks |
| 19:22.06 | fennesz | shay_shay, it's not responsive at all . I don't think it is time dependent . I have to power cycle my laptop to have a working OS again |
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| 19:22.49 | fennesz | shay_shay, can I debug it somehow? |
| 19:23.02 | brandan` | actually it's squeeze, not wheezy, cybrNaut |
| 19:23.05 | brandan` | sorry |
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| 19:26.39 | cybrNaut | brandan`: np. I'm actually going to try the newer versions first, since they are already installed. If compilation throws a fit, then I'll try to get the squeeze versions |
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| 19:27.13 | brandan` | good luck |
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| 19:30.54 | jaggzt | I'm installing google earth and it has a bunch of unmet dependencies that don't want to install "is not going to be installed". how do I get them to install? |
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| 19:31.05 | jaggzt | the first one is lsb-core |
| 19:31.18 | jaggzt | apt-get -f install lsb-core didn't make it install |
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| 19:31.56 | l3archos | hey all. I don't use rhythmbox at all because I cannot access to my DLNA-server files (UPnP) so I am using banshee. I wanted to remove "rhythmbox" but apt-get wants to remove also the package "gnome". Why that? can't I just uninstall "rhythmbox" without touching Gnome at all ? |
| 19:32.01 | dvs | ,v lsb-core |
| 19:32.02 | judd | Package: lsb-core on amd64 -- squeeze: 3.2-23.2squeeze1; wheezy: 4.1+Debian8+deb7u1; sid: 4.1+Debian13+nmu1; jessie: 4.1+Debian13+nmu1; stretch: 4.1+Debian13+nmu1 |
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| 19:32.45 | dvs | jaggzt: What does apt-cache policy lsb-core say? |
| 19:33.51 | l3archos | ,v lives |
| 19:33.52 | judd | Package: lives on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.3.4-1; wheezy: 1.6.2~ds1-2; jessie: 2.2.6~ds0-1; sid: 2.2.8~ds0-1 |
| 19:35.43 | cybrNaut | brandan`: i over-rode the version req, and saw this message scroll by: "configure: WARNING: Found Berkeley DB other than 4.8; wallets opened by this build will not be portable!" |
| 19:35.55 | cybrNaut | does that mean i'll lose money? |
| 19:36.31 | cybrNaut | i hope my wallet isn't tied to this bastardized hacked version of debian |
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| 19:49.07 | T0ast` | What repo is icecat in on debian? |
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| 19:49.43 | dvs | judd: verson icecat |
| 19:49.51 | dvs | judd: version icecat |
| 19:49.52 | judd | No package named 'icecat' was found in amd64. |
| 19:49.55 | dvs | noe |
| 19:49.57 | dvs | none |
| 19:50.03 | T0ast` | D: |
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| 19:58.44 | shay_shay | l3archos: for i in $(apt-cache rdepends rhythmbox); do dpkg -l | grep "^ii\s\s$i\s"; done |
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| 19:59.24 | shay_shay | l3archos: gnoem depends on rhythmbox as you know... i am sure there must be a reason for this |
| 19:59.31 | l3archos | shay_shay: sure, that just proofs that gnome depends on rhythmbox :) but thank you |
| 19:59.36 | l3archos | shay_shay: hehe |
| 19:59.41 | shay_shay | sorry |
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| 20:06.32 | AshleyNX | shay_shay: are you ShayCarL from youtube? |
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| 20:07.03 | shay_shay | nope |
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| 20:16.08 | AshleyNX | inb4 shay_shay delivers |
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| 20:18.27 | kingsley | Do you happen to know why the commands "smartctl --all /dev/sdX" and "hdparm -I /dev/sdX" don't report a solid state drive's (SSD's) firmware revision in the same decimal format as its manufacturer lists at its web site? |
| 20:18.48 | kingsley | "smartctl --all /dev/sdX" and "hdparm -I /dev/sdX" report firmware versions like "AAnnnn01", but the SSD manufacturer's web site has "1.03". |
| 20:19.36 | crash_ | you may need to run sudo smart-db-update so smartmontools gets a newer database to read from. |
| 20:19.50 | mjt | that's actually a question to the ssd firmware |
| 20:19.56 | mjt | ie, to the vendor |
| 20:20.31 | mjt | smartctl/hdparm report uninterpreted string sent by the drive in response to version command |
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| 20:25.00 | kingsley | crash_: I'm reading about update-smart-drivedb ... |
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| 20:31.54 | kingsley | crash_: /usr/sbin/update-smart-drivedb tries to download a non-existent URL. |
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| 20:34.05 | Heimdall | I got lost. |
| 20:34.20 | Heimdall | irssi is confusing... |
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| 20:35.18 | Heimdall | What are some other cool things you can do with a terminal? |
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| 20:35.45 | Heimdall | ssh, irssi, even a few games can be played through the terminal! |
| 20:36.00 | Heimdall | Anything else? |
| 20:36.52 | petemc | learn to use a decent text editor like vim or emacs |
| 20:36.56 | buu | build spaceshuttles |
| 20:37.05 | buu | administer hundreds of machines |
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| 20:37.12 | buu | create programs to do anything |
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| 20:38.51 | Heimdall | waves hello! |
| 20:39.43 | Heimdall | buu: neat. I guess you can run scripts in a terminal too. |
| 20:40.11 | buu | Heimdall: You can run entire websites. |
| 20:40.30 | AshleyNX | hey Heimdall |
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| 20:42.00 | Heimdall | AshleyNX: Hey |
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| 20:42.31 | AshleyNX | just playing Watch dogs on laptop |
| 20:42.37 | AshleyNX | running in Debian xD |
| 20:43.32 | Heimdall | AshleyNX That is one of the only things that I guess stinks about linux, I mean not a lot of good games to play. |
| 20:43.53 | AshleyNX | yea i have no issues getting games to play from windows to linux |
| 20:44.03 | Heimdall | I'm assuming Watch Dogs is a game... |
| 20:44.06 | AshleyNX | i have battle field 4 installed too |
| 20:44.24 | Heimdall | Neat, what do you use WINE or something? |
| 20:44.42 | AshleyNX | yea custom wine infact |
| 20:45.17 | Heimdall | Cool. I have been playing pillars of eternity. I am pretty sure it's on linux. |
| 20:45.25 | shay_shay | l3archos: I've done a little research and I think the easiest way to solve that is to build your own metapackage identical to the gnome metapackage in every way except it doesn't depend on rhythmbox. bump the version with "dch -I", it will increment it just enough it will still be overridden by changes to the original. then when you upgrade your system use "apt-get upgrade" and if the maintainer ever bumps |
| 20:45.27 | shay_shay | the version of the metapackage it will show gnome being held back because it's trying to install a new program rhythmbox. |
| 20:46.22 | AshleyNX | hehe shay_shay CMUS is better media player |
| 20:46.40 | shay_shay | sonetines with metapackages you can mark all the dependencies as manually installed and then remove the metapackage, but in this case there are other metapackage depending on gnome |
| 20:47.18 | shay_shay | obviously the easiest thing would to just ignore rhythmbox |
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| 20:48.29 | AshleyNX | anyone her |
| 20:48.31 | AshleyNX | here* |
| 20:48.36 | Heimdall | I am |
| 20:48.44 | Heimdall | Thinking about learning python. |
| 20:49.06 | AshleyNX | i installed min debian 8 netinstall had nothing the download was only 200MB |
| 20:49.10 | Heimdall | Still, I want to use ardiuno and it uses C++ |
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| 20:49.42 | AshleyNX | armitage is fun to run ;) |
| 20:49.47 | Heimdall | I just finished installing bunsenlabs on my debian 8 netistall |
| 20:50.04 | Heimdall | I'm so uber proud of my setup ;) |
| 20:50.12 | AshleyNX | ss? |
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| 20:50.50 | AshleyNX | Heimdall: you have screenshot? |
| 20:50.53 | Heimdall | Which is easier to learn C or python? |
| 20:50.59 | AshleyNX | python is easyier |
| 20:51.02 | Heimdall | yeah I let me think it again... |
| 20:51.21 | AshleyNX | i'm learning perl right now |
| 20:51.36 | dvs | !pity AshleyNX |
| 20:51.42 | AshleyNX | ? |
| 20:51.59 | AshleyNX | it's part of school |
| 20:52.29 | Heimdall | [img]http://i.imgur.com/EWSwqxX.png[/img] |
| 20:53.23 | Heimdall | so many languages its a bit scary. Perl, java, python, I so scared... |
| 20:53.36 | AshleyNX | LOVE IT Heimdall |
| 20:53.39 | AshleyNX | sorry caps |
| 20:54.07 | Heimdall | You actually like my screenshot? I worked on it all Day! |
| 20:54.21 | AshleyNX | used elinks and feh to open ur screenshot :) |
| 20:54.31 | AshleyNX | looks alittle like mine negitive conky |
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| 20:54.56 | Heimdall | I think I got everyone at the crunchbang forum a little mad though cause I acted so many questions. |
| 20:55.18 | Heimdall | Cool! you got a screen shot on your conky? |
| 20:55.25 | Heimdall | Conky is awesome! |
| 20:55.33 | AshleyNX | i dont use conky |
| 20:55.49 | AshleyNX | htop instead |
| 20:55.53 | Heimdall | Oh, guess I misunderstood. |
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| 20:56.08 | Heimdall | oh, I thought htop was a task manager? |
| 20:56.57 | Heimdall | you can use it as a gadget too? |
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| 20:59.37 | AshleyNX | Heimdall: http://i.imgur.com/bAgBoSi.png |
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| 20:59.46 | raisen | I'm trying to open a truecrypt container using cryptsetup (and the Truecrypt application), but the command is failing with: Device /dev/loop0 is too small. Any ideas? Container opens fine on Windows. --debug gives me: Device /dev/loop0: offset = 256 requested size = 204799488, backing device size = 204797953 |
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| 21:01.25 | Heimdall | raisen: what are you typing exactly? |
| 21:01.39 | Heimdall | You trying to acess the volume from the terminal? |
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| 21:03.49 | AshleyNX | hey Heimdall you see mine? |
| 21:04.06 | Heimdall | I didn't see the link. |
| 21:04.13 | AshleyNX | Heimdall: http://i.imgur.com/bAgBoSi.png |
| 21:04.23 | raisen | Heimdall, I'm typing cryptsetup --debug open --type tcrypt rdisk2s1 rd , rdisk2s1 is a file container |
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| 21:04.24 | Heimdall | Sorry, I'm trying this irssi thing and I don't see everything yet. |
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| 21:05.13 | Heimdall | okay how did you do that? |
| 21:05.26 | Heimdall | Yours looks awesome!!! |
| 21:05.27 | AshleyNX | it's Terminator |
| 21:05.33 | AshleyNX | terminal |
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| 21:05.51 | Heimdall | yeah I use that but what is going on in the top left neo? |
| 21:06.03 | AshleyNX | apt-get install cmatrix |
| 21:06.13 | Heimdall | raisen: i think you got to use truecrypt --help |
| 21:06.18 | raisen | Heimdall, I also tried to create a loop device using losetup, so instead of accessing the file container, cryptsetup would use the loopback device, but I got the same error. |
| 21:06.45 | Heimdall | I can't find my script I was using with truecrypt. |
| 21:07.06 | raisen | Heimdall, I guess truecrypt is just a command line for the gui application, right? The gui application is failing on me as well |
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| 21:07.31 | Heimdall | no you can do everything without the gui |
| 21:07.49 | Heimdall | I used the terminal only for mounting my drives. |
| 21:08.02 | raisen | Heimdall, when I use the command line or the gui, I get: device-mapper: resume ioctl on truecrypt1_1 failed: Invalid argument |
| 21:08.02 | raisen | Command failed |
| 21:08.22 | Heimdall | just type in truecrypt --help and it will give you the commands you can use. |
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| 21:09.22 | raisen | Heimdall, I tried to mount using the command line as well, but I get that error. |
| 21:09.43 | Heimdall | raisen: I really don't know. Can you create a different volume and mount it? |
| 21:09.49 | AshleyNX | atleast Heimdall didn't notice top right panel |
| 21:09.59 | raisen | Heimdall, let me try that |
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| 21:10.33 | Heimdall | ashley you're playing diablo 2? |
| 21:11.05 | AshleyNX | yea |
| 21:11.31 | Heimdall | that is really cool actually. Pretty hard core. |
| 21:11.44 | Heimdall | Hard to believe that game is still online. |
| 21:11.54 | AshleyNX | Just logged into my account and working on my Assassin |
| 21:12.07 | raisen | Heimdall, yes, I was able to create and mount it, so something wrong with the container or its size (it's a 100GB container). I'm going to mount on windows, copy everything over to a fat partition, and then deal with the files on linux later |
| 21:12.11 | raisen | Heimdall, thanks for the help |
| 21:12.29 | Heimdall | I am slowly falling in love with D&D isometric games :( |
| 21:12.31 | srg | Is there a package I can use to post a text file to a pastebin site? |
| 21:12.34 | srg | from cli? |
| 21:12.42 | AshleyNX | xD DnD is awesome |
| 21:12.45 | Heimdall | raisen: wait |
| 21:12.52 | Heimdall | I know what it might be now. |
| 21:12.56 | jelly | !pastebinit |
| 21:12.57 | dpkg | pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" users, you must "pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net" or configure pastebinit to use something other than pastebin.com. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>. |
| 21:12.59 | Heimdall | Have you tried the ntg3 thing? |
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| 21:13.10 | srg | THanks jelly |
| 21:13.15 | raisen | Heimdall, hmm, no, never heard of it |
| 21:13.25 | jelly | srg: ^^, or nopaste, or sprunge.us and curl |
| 21:13.37 | Heimdall | If you have the wrong format it wouldn't work |
| 21:13.51 | Heimdall | what format is the container in? |
| 21:14.00 | teraflop | AshleyNX: wakeupneo.sh https://asciinema.org/a/enwtwfkze2463h89o7g73es4e :P |
| 21:14.14 | Heimdall | you have to use ntg3 I think if it is in ntfs |
| 21:14.19 | raisen | I believe it's on fat32 because it works on both mac and windows |
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| 21:14.51 | raisen | ntfs is usually readonly by default on a mac |
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| 21:15.28 | Heimdall | raisen: oh well try to use the vfat command then. |
| 21:15.32 | Heimdall | maybe that will help. |
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| 21:15.43 | Heimdall | ashley: I am not going down the rabbit hole again!!! |
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| 21:16.11 | raisen | Heimdall, what do you mean by using the vfat command? I checked the kernel modules and vfat is there |
| 21:16.17 | Heimdall | raisen: but in all honesty I'm most likely wasting your time sorry. |
| 21:16.31 | Heimdall | vfat is what I had to use with fat32 when I was mounting. |
| 21:16.44 | Heimdall | Like I said though google will give you better advice then I can. |
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| 21:17.02 | Micket | what are you trying to do, wasn't here to see the start |
| 21:17.04 | jakew | i am running wheezy and have added jessie and unstable to my apt preferences, at priority -10. I have installed some packages with minimal dependencies from these repos (i.e. i didn't install unless it had zero, maybe 1 other packages it had to pull in). somehow, however, it seems that every package that could possibly be upgraded is showing up in apt-show-versions as upgradeable. does anyone know how to fix this? |
| 21:17.41 | Heimdall | jakew: um, maybe change your sources.list? |
| 21:17.43 | raisen | I'll just try to do the windows thing, I've been spending too much time on this, I even upgraded the kernel today :) thanks for your help though |
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| 21:18.08 | shay_shay | !tell jakew about pinning |
| 21:18.17 | jakew | Heimdall: Also, a lot of packages that I didn't realize were going to be upgraded got upgraded because of unattended-upgrades pulling packages from the repos marked as -10 in apt preferences. |
| 21:18.18 | Heimdall | raisen: k hope it wasn't a total waste. |
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| 21:19.07 | jakew | shay_shay: Heimdall: this is how they have been pinned: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/a83a428af7f54a1d8ae7 |
| 21:19.07 | Heimdall | jakew: I'm a noob all I know is you might need to change the sources.list and then update. |
| 21:19.35 | dvs | mixing releases is never a good idea |
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| 21:20.18 | jakew | dvs: true; i was trying to avoid having to compile from source and manually track packages that had zero dependencies anyway. |
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| 21:20.48 | jakew | it is documented on the debian site, after all.. |
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| 21:21.06 | computerquip | I'm having some issues with schroot in Jessie when used in conjunction with the steam-runtime. |
| 21:21.07 | shay_shay | jakew: you know about apt-get source -b foo? |
| 21:21.40 | computerquip | Is that something to be reported regardless if an experimental package might potentially fix it? |
| 21:21.46 | jakew | yes. i assumed that was less preferable because it would have meant manually checking them for updates |
| 21:22.05 | jakew | i.e. no auto updates, etc |
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| 21:22.42 | shay_shay | jakew: I think as long as you have all the build deps installed you can write a script that will update all your backports while you sleep |
| 21:23.14 | jakew | oh.. hmm |
| 21:23.38 | jakew | nonetheless.. any ideas on how to make apt respect the pinnings i've specified? |
| 21:23.51 | jakew | apt-cache policy is, for example showing 500 for jessie. |
| 21:24.42 | shay_shay | jakew: the factoid dpkg pm'd you about pinning. pinning won't prevent you from wrecking your system when mixing stable with testing/unstable |
| 21:25.27 | jakew | sorry - pm'd? |
| 21:25.37 | shay_shay | its good for smaller more specific things, like hold back foo unless its from yakayakastan.com repo |
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| 21:25.49 | jakew | oh, okay, i see.. |
| 21:26.04 | shay_shay | !pinning |
| 21:26.05 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
| 21:26.23 | shay_shay | oh broken link... |
| 21:26.45 | jakew | any recommendation for fixing this? |
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| 21:30.38 | jakew | other than reinstalling everything.. |
| 21:31.06 | jakew | i suppose i could just dist-upgrade to jessie, remove everything else from sources, and hope for the best.. |
| 21:31.07 | brandan` | cybrNaut, not sure about that one |
| 21:31.17 | brandan` | at this point you could probably get more from bitcoin people |
| 21:31.23 | shay_shay | jakew: aren't you already on Jessie? |
| 21:31.43 | shay_shay | jakew: if not, then that is the path of least resistance surely |
| 21:32.31 | jakew | nope - i'm on wheezy. |
| 21:32.47 | jakew | had one-offed some packages from jessie, unstable, and experimental |
| 21:33.05 | jakew | not sure why everything drifted, and why apt-cache policy is showing the wrong priorities |
| 21:33.19 | shay_shay | you'll still want to force a downgrade of the packages from unstable first |
| 21:33.34 | shay_shay | or your dist-upgrade might fail |
| 21:33.35 | jakew | the packages i installed I think had no dependencies outside of the already installed wheezy or wheezy-backports packages |
| 21:34.25 | jakew | how do i find only packages from unstable? apt-show versions wants to show what they can upgrade to (usually jessie) rather than what they currently are |
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| 21:37.25 | shay_shay | aptitude search "?narrow(?installed,?not(?archive(stable)))" |
| 21:37.34 | jakew | also - this seems to be documented elsewhere http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-mixedsys |
| 21:37.54 | jakew | ah cool - need to use aptitude rather than apt-get? |
| 21:38.16 | jakew | okay, cool - wow, it's not that many packages, although it does include base-files |
| 21:39.08 | jakew | wait - actually, that's not working - it is not showing many packages that I know are installed from unstable (like btrfs-tools) |
| 21:39.18 | shay_shay | hmm |
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| 21:40.33 | jakew | yeah - actually, the aptitude command seems to be showing packages that have not yet been upgraded to versions that have the wheezy name added to the version name.. |
| 21:41.08 | jakew | https://gist.github.com/anonymous/bd4fcafeef583c7cbf69 |
| 21:41.28 | jakew | i.e. that are only in dpkg/status and not yet upgraded to current versions |
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| 21:42.37 | macfreek | is update-alternatives debian-specific? |
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| 21:43.08 | shay_shay | jakew: maybe apt-show-versions will help : http://superuser.com/questions/602063/how-do-i-list-all-packages-from-unstable-experimental |
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| 21:46.20 | jakew | okay, that's more like it - the command i used was aptitude versions '~VCURRENT (~Aunstable|~Aexperimental|~Ajessie) !~Awheezy' --group-by=none |
| 21:47.05 | shay_shay | nice |
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| 21:49.15 | jakew | actually, it's more like this: |
| 21:49.20 | jakew | aptitude versions '~VCURRENT (~Aunstable|~Aexperimental|~Astable) !~Aoldstable' --group-by=none |
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| 21:49.33 | jakew | apparently aptitude doesn't care what you've called in in sources.list |
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| 21:51.04 | jakew | i might actually just be able to downgrade everything and start over |
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| 21:54.04 | piercedwater | hi. I am trying to play m4a files in Jessie with gmusicbrowser and audacious. Neither will play them and say I am issing a plugin. I have installed gstreamer-0.10-plugin-* and tried removing ~/.gstream-10/. Any suggestions? |
| 21:54.16 | jakew | you think the reasonable thing to do is to downgrade everything, then install the 3 packages (plus lots of python and some other dependencies) from source rather than from repos? |
| 21:54.25 | jakew | thank you for all your help! |
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| 21:59.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | whatever the context.. downgrading isn't really supported by the packages |
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| 22:06.28 | macfreek | how do i install docker on jessie? adding the jessie-backports repo didnt seem to help |
| 22:07.10 | petn-randall | ,v docker |
| 22:07.11 | judd | Package: docker on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.4-5; wheezy: 1.4-5; jessie: 1.5-1; stretch: 1.5-1; sid: 1.5-1 |
| 22:07.32 | petn-randall | macfreek: There's no package for jessie. |
| 22:07.45 | macfreek | poor jessie |
| 22:07.47 | dvs | ??? |
| 22:07.58 | dvs | jessie: 1.5-1 |
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| 22:08.22 | petn-randall | re-reads. |
| 22:08.25 | petn-randall | Indeed. |
| 22:08.28 | macfreek | dvs: docker != doccker.io |
| 22:08.35 | dvs | ah |
| 22:08.37 | macfreek | dvs: docker != docker.io * |
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| 22:53.49 | jakew | any way to print dependency graphs for a particular package? |
| 22:55.44 | Brigo | jakew, it would be could :) |
| 22:55.59 | at0m|c | jakew: aptitude show package | grep Depends ? |
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| 22:59.43 | orlock | We seem to be having a strange issue on several of our Debian systems - init scripts fail to run |
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| 23:00.16 | orlock | they are configured correctly (symlink from runlevel's directory to /etc/init.d/, etc) |
| 23:00.46 | orlock | Its happening for several services on several hosts |
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| 23:04.30 | jakew | hmm.. |
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| 23:05.16 | orlock | Some of them are atlassian products, so its understandable they might require some tweaking |
| 23:05.25 | jakew | why are a bunch of packages proposed to be removed by, for example, apt-get install -t wheezy libc6/wheezy, including packages that are in wheezy (i'm trying to fix a system where several packages have been pulled in from jessie) |
| 23:05.27 | orlock | but i just had to start apache by hand which is a bit.. odd |
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| 23:12.01 | Bert_2 | As I can't find a channel for smartmontools I was wondering whether anyone here could help me. I have quite a few disks in our server room returning exit code 32 or 64 (bit 5 and 6) and I'm not quite sure whether 32 means "it's still ok" and 64 means "you have to replace me" and google is not being very helpful |
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| 23:15.18 | Shibe | guys i forgot how do I add something to path |
| 23:16.35 | FLHerne | Bert_2: Have you seen the 'return values' section of man smartctl? |
| 23:17.52 | FLHerne | Definitely replace on bit 6, for bit 5 I'd see which attributes it's complaining about |
| 23:18.18 | Bert_2 | FLHerne: yes I have, I found it rather confusing, because many things can be errors apparently, some people on google say they're both fine, other disagree |
| 23:18.43 | Bert_2 | FLHerne: yeah, I had a the same impression that 64 (bit 6) requires a replacement |
| 23:18.50 | Bert_2 | I sorta just replaced those here in the server room |
| 23:19.17 | Bert_2 | but I was wondering what to do about the 32s, because as a non-profit we like to save money where we can |
| 23:20.15 | FLHerne | Bert_2: Bit 5 tells you that some attribute went out of what the drive thinks is a good range |
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| 23:20.53 | FLHerne | Actual significance of that depends on what said attribute actually was, which just the exit status doesn't tell you |
| 23:21.31 | FLHerne | If your drive has a threshold for temperature and exceeded in the past, you probably shouldn't worry |
| 23:21.35 | Bert_2 | FLHerne: Uhu, so I guess Airflow_Temperature_Cel is not that much of a problem |
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| 23:21.44 | Bert_2 | yeah, we were thinking the same thing at the same time :P |
| 23:21.49 | FLHerne | Oh hey, I was just typing that |
| 23:21.52 | FLHerne | ...and that |
| 23:22.00 | Bert_2 | lol :P |
| 23:22.32 | Bert_2 | Ah, that's the same error on the db-server, another disk we don't need to replace |
| 23:22.43 | Bert_2 | only one of the webworkers is now of concerne I think |
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| 23:24.15 | Bert_2 | FLHerne: ok, then I think we're ok, I'll just bump up the warning value for those specific server+drive combo in munin |
| 23:24.22 | Bert_2 | cause the mails are getting rather annoying :P |
| 23:24.41 | FLHerne | Or you could fix your cooling rig? |
| 23:25.10 | FLHerne | OTOH, bit 5 is for historical out-of-range measurements so that might not stop the mails :P |
| 23:25.41 | FLHerne | Feels like there should be some way to reset that if so, no idea :-( |
| 23:26.06 | Bert_2 | FLHerne: we looked that up, but it seems like it's part of smart itself to remember the worst value |
| 23:26.13 | Bert_2 | and then smartmontools just reads that |
| 23:26.17 | Bert_2 | but yeah, it's annoying |
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| 23:27.00 | Bert_2 | and concerning the cooling rig: we have requested prices from a few airconditioning vendors, but we're not quite sure we can afford it, maybe if we can get the university to chip in, but there's not a large chance they will |
| 23:27.16 | jakew | thanks all |
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| 23:28.45 | kingsley | How would you launch an xterm for the root user, so it can open an X application in the original/normal user's X session? |
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| 23:31.28 | Brigo | kingsley, i would use sudo. |
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| 23:32.55 | Bert_2 | FLHerne: anyway, thanks a lot for your help :D |
| 23:32.58 | Bert_2 | have a nice day |
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| 23:33.15 | kingsley | Brigo: Are you thinking of something like ... |
| 23:33.15 | Brigo | kingsley, even better use gksudo. |
| 23:33.21 | kingsley | $ xterm -e sudo bash |
| 23:33.23 | kingsley | ? |
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| 23:34.33 | kingsley | Brigo: Or ... |
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| 23:34.40 | kingsley | $ xterm -e gksudo /bin/bash |
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| 23:35.09 | Erizo | anyone that can help with with an error I am getting? |
| 23:35.11 | Brigo | kingsley, gksu, sorry: gksu -u root xterm |
| 23:35.17 | Erizo | trying to install mono develop |
| 23:35.17 | Brigo | Erizo, just ask |
| 23:35.21 | kingsley | At least for me, neither leaves me at a bash prompt that lets me run an X application, like gvim. |
| 23:35.45 | Brigo | kingsley, gksu -u root gvim :) |
| 23:35.59 | Erizo | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:35.59 | dpkg | erizo: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 23:36.34 | kingsley | Brigo: I tried your suggestions. |
| 23:36.47 | kingsley | Brigo: It seems interesting to me that |
| 23:37.01 | kingsley | $ gksu -u root gvim |
| 23:37.33 | kingsley | successfully runs the X application gvim in a normal user's X session, but ... |
| 23:37.44 | Erizo | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:37.44 | Erizo | The following packages will be upgraded: |
| 23:37.44 | Erizo | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:37.44 | Erizo | 1 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded. |
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| 23:38.00 | kingsley | $ gksu -u root xterm |
| 23:38.20 | kingsley | leaves me at a command shell prompt that fails to run gvim. |
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| 23:38.38 | kingsley | gvim complains with ... |
| 23:38.50 | kingsley | E233: cannot open displayE852: The child process failed to start the GUINo protocol specified |
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| 23:40.24 | Erizo | http://paste.debian.net/191529/ |
| 23:40.28 | Erizo | my error |
| 23:40.57 | raisen | I'm zeroing an external usb 3 hard drive. USB 3 is enabled on it (I checked with lsusb and dmesg), however write speed is at around ~14MB/s, where some speed tests I found online claim this drive can get to 67 MB/s. Is there anything I can do to improve the drive's speed? |
| 23:41.16 | mtn_ | Erizo: where are you getting that mono-devel package? it is not in the debian repos, is it? |
| 23:41.32 | Erizo | it is pulling it from the monodevelop I think... |
| 23:41.33 | kingsley | Brigo: I may owe you an apology for not explaining that I'd like the xterm to run a root console that can run *an arbitrary* X application, like gvim, xchat, firefox, etc,,, , in the normal user's X session. |
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| 23:41.54 | Erizo | but it is the debian package |
| 23:41.59 | mtn_ | Erizo: you should check to see if they offer support for there packages |
| 23:42.04 | Brigo | kingsley, i understood you after my post. |
| 23:42.05 | mtn_ | there/their |
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| 23:42.42 | nyk2005 | Is the discover tool required for booting? |
| 23:43.15 | Erizo | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:43.21 | Erizo | that is where it is coming from |
| 23:43.33 | mtn_ | Erizo: you should check to see if they offer support for their packages |
| 23:43.54 | Erizo | is the same package on the debian repo |
| 23:44.01 | Erizo | I could see if that installs |
| 23:44.16 | FLHerne | kingsley: Running something like firefox (large internet-connected GUI application that automagically executes remote files) as root is...NOT a good idea |
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| 23:45.40 | kingsley | FLHerne: I won't argue. I was only using it as an example of an X application. |
| 23:45.54 | Brigo | kingsley, i got a trick run as root: xauth merge ~[user who owns X]/.Xauthority |
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| 23:47.46 | nyk2005 | Is the discover tool required for booting?? |
| 23:48.06 | kingsley | Brigo: I'll check it out... |
| 23:48.06 | jhutchins | nyk2005: What discover tool are you talking about? |
| 23:48.33 | nyk2005 | jhutchins: packages discover libdiscover2 discover-data |
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| 23:50.25 | nyk2005 | jhutchins: Is it required for using USB devices? I assumed the kernel can do that independently? |
| 23:51.01 | jhutchins | nyk2005: The boot process is mostly handled by grub. |
| 23:51.13 | kingsley | Brigo: "xauth merge" looked like a clever idea. |
| 23:51.24 | nyk2005 | jhutchins: so only the installer uses discover= |
| 23:51.25 | nyk2005 | ? |
| 23:51.27 | jhutchins | nyk2005: I've never had to deal with them specifically, but that's not to say they're not there. |
| 23:51.29 | Brigo | kingsley, at least it work out for me :) |
| 23:51.47 | kingsley | Brigo: Unfortunately, the normal user's .Xauthority file is empty. |
| 23:52.01 | nyk2005 | jhutchins: so you wouldn't purge those packages? |
| 23:52.11 | Brigo | kingsley, come on! :D |
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| 23:52.40 | jhutchins | nyk2005: http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2011/02/linux-boot-process/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_startup_process |
| 23:52.42 | kingsley | Brigo: Please elaborate. |
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| 23:52.55 | jhutchins | nyk2005: I believe the ISO packages still use isolinux. |
| 23:53.12 | jhutchins | nyk2005: I wouldn't go purging packages unless I knew why they were there. |
| 23:53.25 | Brigo | kingsley, in .Xauthority should be the access key to the Xorg server. |
| 23:53.33 | ptrz | hi all. So, I have a pretty bizarre and miserable situation. I just updated a college computer club server from squeeze to wheezy, and I was in the process of going from wheezy to jessie |
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| 23:54.15 | jhutchins | s/iso packages/iso images/ |
| 23:54.19 | ptrz | and it failed during the dist-upgrade with: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.14' not found |
| 23:54.29 | ptrz | and now every command I use is giving that |
| 23:55.03 | nyk2005 | jhutchins: I assumed it was only for the installer, but yeah I'm not sure. Maybe it's responsible for loading the kernel module for my USB wifi, which I otherwise would have to put manually into /etc/modules |
| 23:55.07 | jhutchins | !errata |
| 23:55.07 | dpkg | Last minute notes regarding Debian 8 ("Jessie") are listed at https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/errata . Known problems in the installer are listed at https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/debian-installer/#errata |
| 23:55.21 | ptrz | a lot of people online have had similar situations and a simple 'sudo apt-get install libc6' fixes it. but apparently we have selinux installed to we get errors like this on pretty mch everything: ls: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.14' not found (required by /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libselinux.so.1) |
| 23:55.27 | kingsley | Brigo: Maybe you're right, but mine is emptier than Dick Cheney's heart. |
| 23:55.35 | ptrz | including ls, mv, cp, and most importantly sudo |
| 23:55.57 | Cullz | seems flash is not working |
| 23:56.03 | Brigo | kingsley, did you start Xorg with startx? |
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| 23:56.19 | Erizo | new error now http://paste.debian.net/191559/ |
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| 23:56.36 | ptrz | jhutchins: I don't see anything there |
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| 23:57.32 | mtn_ | Erizo: this does not sound like debian: 2.12.10-1ubuntu1 so what are you running? |
| 23:57.32 | jhutchins | ptrz: What's your latest backup. |
| 23:57.36 | jhutchins | ? |
| 23:57.41 | ptrz | jhutchins: what do you mean by that? |
| 23:57.44 | ptrz | how recent is it? |
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| 23:58.26 | Erizo | Parsix |
| 23:58.29 | ptrz | I mean, recent, but I'd like to just bootstrap back to sanity and continue with the upgrade |
| 23:58.32 | jhutchins | ptrz: well, I assume you took one prior to starting the upgrade, the question is whether you took one once you had tested and confirmed the first stage of the upgrade. |
| 23:58.47 | kingsley | Brigo: No, I started Xorg with xdm. |
| 23:58.53 | mtn_ | Erizo: not supported in the debian channel |
| 23:58.57 | Erizo | I think it downloaded ubuntu packages when I followed the directions on the monodevelopsite |
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| 23:59.20 | jhutchins | ptrz: You could try booting to alternate media and disabling selinux. |
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| 23:59.54 | Brigo | kingsley, then i have no idea why you have that file empty. :/ |
| 23:59.58 | ptrz | jhutchins: good point. that's still somewhat of a pain because I'm remote, but I think a friend could do it |
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