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| 00:16.59 | g00se | I don't quite know why but NetworkManager doesn't seem to have my eth0 as a wired interface. I occasionally get hard to restore disconnects. SHOULD it have it? If so, how do recommend i add it? |
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| 00:27.53 | laserbeak4445 | I'm trying to upgrade stable to testing in a vm (virtualbox 4.3.28). Once I reboot after changing the sources.list and doing the dist-upgrade, the boot stucks with the following error msg in a loop: |
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| 00:28.06 | laserbeak4445 | atkbd serio0: Spurious NAK on isa0060/serio0. Some program might be trying to access hardware directly. |
| 00:28.17 | laserbeak4445 | I google the error msg and the few things I found did not work. Any suggestions? |
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| 00:35.45 | PcMasterRace | Does anyone have a list of the pre-installed applications in a fresh installation of jessie? |
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| 00:36.25 | sonOfRa | PcMasterRace: I'm pretty sure that depends on what "profile" you select during install |
| 00:37.37 | PcMasterRace | sonOfRa: thanks |
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| 01:13.39 | H4wx | if I save a new task to crontab that executes every 30 minutes, does it execute 30 minutes from when i saved crontab or at every 30 minute mark on local time? |
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| 01:15.20 | ctmjr | H4wx: clock time |
| 01:16.04 | H4wx | ctmjr ty! |
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| 01:16.41 | ctmjr | if you wrote it at say 4:15 the first run will be 4:30 |
| 01:16.52 | H4wx | exactly what i was looking for, thanks again |
| 01:17.04 | ctmjr | yw |
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| 01:40.21 | centurion18 | hi ppl |
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| 01:43.29 | Guest75957 | How would I map CAPS LOCK to CTRL in debian every method I find uses x11 which I dont have available |
| 01:44.22 | Guest75957 | I cannot use tools like xmodmap because I have no windowing system |
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| 01:47.40 | H4wx | Anyone familiar with megatools? |
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| 01:51.01 | H4wx | Guest75957: Looks like that can be done using loadkeys, dumpkeys and showkeys |
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| 01:52.02 | H4wx | Guest75957: http://superuser.com/questions/290115/how-to-change-console-keymap-in-linux |
| 01:53.23 | Guest75957 | H4wx: Thank you |
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| 01:55.19 | H4wx | Would anybody be willing to view a short script and offer why it's not working? |
| 01:55.24 | H4wx | http://pastebin.com/hVd78bbB |
| 01:56.52 | aedinius | What isn't it doing? |
| 01:57.26 | H4wx | fails when trying to pull files from /home/Desktop/Motion/*.swf |
| 01:57.32 | H4wx | end of line 4 |
| 01:57.48 | aedinius | Does /home/Desktop exist? |
| 01:57.58 | H4wx | yes? |
| 01:58.01 | aedinius | based on other parts of the script shouldn't it be /home/pi/Desktop ? |
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| 01:58.19 | aedinius | Or /home/someuser/Desktop ? |
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| 01:59.06 | H4wx | damn, i think you're right |
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| 01:59.19 | H4wx | at least it's something simple... |
| 01:59.54 | aedinius | In my experience it always is. It's the simple things that elude. |
| 02:00.09 | aedinius | Second set of eyes always help. |
| 02:00.16 | DrakkenWarr | damn skippy sir |
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| 02:01.20 | H4wx | testing it now |
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| 02:02.38 | H4wx | verified that works |
| 02:02.41 | H4wx | thanks! |
| 02:02.55 | DrakkenWarr | shweet! |
| 02:03.22 | H4wx | been messing with getting this raspberry pi security camera up |
| 02:03.24 | H4wx | now it's finished! |
| 02:03.59 | DrakkenWarr | that is freakin awesome! |
| 02:04.29 | srg | H4wx: Ohh, I'm curious about that. You should github the code. |
| 02:04.52 | H4wx | i just used a combo of motion and megatools |
| 02:05.01 | H4wx | that script was pretty much the only thing i had to write |
| 02:05.38 | aedinius | Cool. I've thought about putting together a security camera setup |
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| 02:06.13 | H4wx | i had been using btsync before this |
| 02:06.16 | H4wx | but i hate btsync |
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| 02:06.36 | Myrth | hi, i've dist-upgraded to 8.0 and apache ssl broke, browser shows error `ssl_error_rx_record_too_long`.. anyone knows a solution? thanks |
| 02:06.42 | Myrth | i can't join #apache |
| 02:07.05 | Myrth | these answers don't fit: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/119336/ssl-error-rx-record-too-long-and-apache-ssl |
| 02:07.42 | Nautilus | not #apache - try #httpd |
| 02:08.10 | Nautilus | which is where I just came from, for distro related apache Qs ;) |
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| 02:09.01 | DrakkenWarr | #httpd works |
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| 02:10.18 | Myrth | thanks |
| 02:10.36 | DrakkenWarr | yessir |
| 02:10.38 | Myrth | i wonder if anyone got this error during upgrade |
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| 02:14.56 | bambams | I'm trying to figure out what "random key" means when creating an encrypted partition using the partitioner UI in the installer. |
| 02:15.41 | bambams | Some sources suggest that the partition is encrypted with a new random key at each boot. Is that correct? I.e., it's ideal for a swap partition. |
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| 02:20.49 | ptrz | if I chroot, it only affects the shell in which I do it, right? |
| 02:21.03 | ptrz | I'd like to chroot in one tmux tab but have all others unaffected |
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| 02:22.20 | cwillu_at_work | ptrz, that's correct |
| 02:22.36 | ptrz | cwillu_at_work: thanks |
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| 02:22.45 | cwillu_at_work | in fact, unless it's built in to the shell, it only affects the process you tell chroot to run |
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| 02:34.27 | SOUL_OF_R00T | hi guys, i have a m-audio capture audio card is a multitrrack capture but i have some troubles to control the outputs right, if any can help ? |
| 02:35.58 | Nautilus | anyone here really good at apache owner:group:etc permissions in debian8? #httpd sent me over here because it can be distro specific? |
| 02:36.29 | cwillu_at_work | Nautilus, ask your question, don't ask to ask |
| 02:36.40 | ptrz | is there a way to install a dpkg with a prefix, like you would with ./configure --prefix=... ? |
| 02:37.04 | Nautilus | well, since I can't make www-data the group where I have write permissions, how do I give apache access to read files? |
| 02:37.05 | srg | Nautilus: what's the apache user? www or apache or httpd or something? |
| 02:37.19 | ptrz | I can't chroot, for legitimate but complicated reasons |
| 02:37.34 | srg | chown :www-data file && chmod g=r |
| 02:37.37 | srg | g=rx for dirs |
| 02:37.40 | Nautilus | srg: hrm, I suppose that's a distro dependent thing. there's www-data but that's a group? |
| 02:38.01 | srg | I use nginx, so I don't know what user apache uses |
| 02:38.29 | cwillu_at_work | ptrz, perhaps fakechroot? :p |
| 02:38.32 | Nautilus | the server shouldnt be the owner though, right? |
| 02:38.43 | cwillu_at_work | otherwise, I think you'd have to repackage |
| 02:38.48 | Nautilus | oh you set the group with that |
| 02:38.52 | srg | yep, group |
| 02:38.55 | cwillu_at_work | ptrz, dpkg-divert might be another approach |
| 02:39.10 | Nautilus | srg: but if I give groups write perm, thats a bad thing. |
| 02:39.34 | cwillu_at_work | so.. don't give the group write perms |
| 02:39.37 | xj54y | What do you guys think of Linuxjournal.com? |
| 02:40.31 | Nautilus | well, I'm thinking of making my own group, like www-editors where users can all read&write files for web dev. Then I don't know how to let apache read the necessary files. |
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| 02:41.42 | srg | ah, I see what you want to do |
| 02:42.18 | srg | There's likely an apache owner user. YOu can set the owner to that, and have the group be www-editors |
| 02:42.58 | srg | you'd have to check /etc/passwd to see/find the apache owner user |
| 02:43.05 | srg | I gotta run, battery dying. |
| 02:43.06 | Nautilus | is there another way? I'm use to being the owner on 'my' files |
| 02:43.09 | Nautilus | ok, thanks! |
| 02:43.51 | cwillu_at_work | acl's would be another option |
| 02:44.12 | Nautilus | ah, saw that mentioned, but have no clue about that |
| 02:45.10 | Nautilus | something to look into |
| 02:45.41 | ptrz | cwillu_at_work: great idea with the fakechroot, but it the FAKECHROOT_EXCLUDE_PATH env var seems not to be working |
| 02:45.43 | ptrz | might be a bug |
| 02:46.18 | cwillu_at_work | files a bug with ptrz's parents |
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| 02:47.39 | ptrz | cwillu_at_work: I used 'export FAKECHROOT_EXCLUDE_PATH=/lib:/lib64', but the chroot binary that I gave it is still using the chroot dir's lib paths |
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| 02:48.00 | ptrz | is planning on filing a bug report :P |
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| 02:48.40 | ptrz | cwillu_at_work: the supplied chroot binary is from the pre-chroot directory, right? |
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| 02:50.29 | ptrz | cwillu_at_work: because it's telling me that /usr/sbin/chroot is failing at /my/chroot/dir/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/lic.so.6, which is very specifically nonsense (it seems) based on the options provided |
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| 02:51.50 | cwillu_at_work | strace/ltrace it and see if you can figure out why |
| 02:52.06 | cwillu_at_work | (i.e., perhaps the program is finding it via a relative lookup or something?) |
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| 03:02.08 | H4wx | crontab doesn't like my script |
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| 03:04.54 | H4wx | ah nvm |
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| 03:04.59 | H4wx | just figured out what i did wrong |
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| 03:05.35 | hek | hello can somebody help me how to let my user use sudo? |
| 03:06.03 | H4wx | sudo adduser <username> sudo |
| 03:06.30 | H4wx | or |
| 03:06.40 | hek | are you sure dont i have to edit sudoers file somehow also |
| 03:06.55 | H4wx | this does add to sudoers file |
| 03:07.02 | H4wx | you can manually edit the file |
| 03:07.04 | hek | ok thanks |
| 03:07.08 | H4wx | nano /etc/sudoers |
| 03:07.40 | hek | wait how sure are you about that command? |
| 03:07.57 | H4wx | which command? |
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| 03:08.12 | hek | because you said "sudo" adduser username sudo |
| 03:08.22 | H4wx | yeah that assumes you have a user in sudo already |
| 03:08.30 | hek | i dont |
| 03:08.31 | H4wx | alternatively, you would have to do it as root |
| 03:08.38 | H4wx | login as root using su |
| 03:08.50 | hek | ok |
| 03:08.50 | H4wx | then adduser <username> sudo |
| 03:09.31 | H4wx | this is what i've done in the past, of course i'm a linux newbie so this may not be best practice |
| 03:09.35 | H4wx | if anyone else cares to chime in... |
| 03:09.56 | hek | see youre a newb and i just did what you said thats why i asked if you were sure |
| 03:10.07 | H4wx | i'm still 100% sure that will work lol |
| 03:10.15 | H4wx | as I said though, maybe not best practice |
| 03:10.31 | hek | it didnt work |
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| 03:10.39 | hek | im not in the sudoers file it says |
| 03:10.46 | H4wx | you need to relog |
| 03:10.49 | H4wx | log out log back in |
| 03:10.52 | hek | ah kk |
| 03:10.55 | hek | thanks |
| 03:11.02 | H4wx | lemme know it works |
| 03:11.11 | hek | ok i will come back |
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| 03:13.16 | hek | H4wx: it worked. you arent a noob lol |
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| 03:13.23 | hek | thanks man |
| 03:13.28 | H4wx | np |
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| 03:13.56 | hek | i just wasnt sure i was kinda gettin mad cause i edited the file and i had to reinstall my os |
| 03:14.16 | hek | but anyways thanks ill see ya |
| 03:15.13 | H4wx | how do you try to edit sudoers and end up reinstalling? |
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| 03:15.59 | dvs | he's gone |
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| 03:17.38 | H4wx | it was rhetorical lol |
| 03:17.49 | damaya_ | Can someone explain apt's package naming to me? Seems a bit confusing. For example, postgresql-9.4 for postgres, postgresql-contrib-9.4 for extras, and libpq-dev for the headers?? Everything makes perfect sense until I get to libpq-dev for the headers. I'd like to know that's the name without having to look it up, or do a search. |
| 03:18.49 | damaya_ | This makes more sense: postgresql94-server, postgresql94-contrib, postgresql94-devel |
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| 03:19.49 | damaya_ | namespace-type, vs I don't know wtf in Debian |
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| 03:20.31 | ptrz | the glibc readme suggests using --prefix=/usr to install it as the system library, but on debian shouldn't that be --prefix=/ ? It seems that glibc lives in /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu |
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| 03:22.46 | damaya_ | Is there anything I can read explaining the rationale behind Debian's package naming? |
| 03:24.14 | ptrz | damaya_: some OSs like the BSDs include development headers in packages. Debian usually keeps them in a separate package, mypackage-dev. the same is true of large documentation: mypackage-doc |
| 03:24.48 | ptrz | development headers are .h files for C and C++ (usually). They're used to compile things that use the programs/libraries in the package |
| 03:25.06 | ptrz | (I'm pretty new to this - someone correct me if I'm wrong) |
| 03:25.28 | damaya_ | ptrz: I understand all that. Did you see my issue above? |
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| 03:25.55 | ptrz | damaya_: oh, should have looked further up :P |
| 03:26.13 | ptrz | I mean, by definition headers are for libraries as opposed to programs |
| 03:26.16 | cypherman | hi ppl |
| 03:26.37 | cypherman | i'm struggling with a unconfigured RAID |
| 03:26.57 | cypherman | after a power failure RAID boot disk was gone |
| 03:27.19 | damaya_ | ptrz: I'm trying to understand the naming convention. E.g., I just installed postgres (postgresql-9.4), and contrib (postgresql-contrib-9.4), and then I said, "I need to install the headers," so I did postgresql-9.4-{lib,devel,etc} and nothing. I finally find it named libpq-dev. I'd like to know how to easily guess (know) what it would be named rather than having to search each time. |
| 03:27.48 | damaya_ | Red Hat has this laid out really well, so it's always very easy to know what the headers, binaries, etc are going to be named. With Debian I am constantly searching to figure it out. |
| 03:27.57 | ptrz | damaya_: what i'm saying is that *-dev will mean lib*-dev in almost all cases |
| 03:28.05 | ptrz | because, by definition, headers are for libraris |
| 03:28.08 | ptrz | *libraries |
| 03:28.09 | damaya_ | ok, and pq? |
| 03:28.19 | ptrz | I don't know if that's a rule or just a convention |
| 03:28.26 | ptrz | that, no idea |
| 03:28.30 | damaya_ | libpq-dev? Why not lib-postgres-9.4-dev, or something that makes more sense with the other package names? |
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| 03:28.40 | ptrz | they get annoyingly "creative" with names sometimes. OpenBSD does way better in that respect |
| 03:29.19 | damaya_ | I.e., in redhat it's namespace-type: postgresql94(namespace)-devel(type). That is sane to me. I get it. I know how to install what I need. I'm trying to get that understanding with Debian. |
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| 03:29.32 | ptrz | that might just imply that the lib isn't kept at minor versions, but just in rolling release. or that they only intend to ever have one libpq-dev package. not sure tho. |
| 03:29.48 | ptrz | to some extent, it just seems arbitrary |
| 03:29.57 | ptrz | that it suffers from flexible conventions but no rules |
| 03:30.06 | Diogenes8088 | I'm having trouble directing audio to imxhdmisoc, listed as device 1, instead of imxspdif, Dev 0, on a cubox i4 running Debian Jesse. Imxspdif is allegedly working, though I have no spdif devices to test with. Ideas? |
| 03:30.07 | ptrz | I wouldn't worry about it much |
| 03:30.13 | ptrz | thre's no easy way around it, afaik |
| 03:30.24 | damaya_ | ok, dang. Well, thanks for the help anyway. I was just hoping there was some document that would explain it to me so I'm not always searching :/ |
| 03:30.28 | ptrz | just make 'apt-cache search ___ | less' you're friend :) |
| 03:30.32 | damaya_ | Thanks ptrz! Have a good night |
| 03:30.39 | Diogenes8088 | Also I'm trying to use purely alsa, though I've briefly tried various combinations with pulseaudio, OS's and jack as well. |
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| 03:30.46 | ptrz | damaya_: disclaimer: I might be wrong |
| 03:30.49 | damaya_ | apt-cache search is my BFF as they say on the playground ;) |
| 03:30.58 | ptrz | :D that is, missing something |
| 03:31.03 | ptrz | so don't necessarily stop looking |
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| 03:31.18 | ptrz | but that's what I've concluded after a handful of times being confused by package names |
| 03:31.41 | damaya_ | Will do. I've hit Google and found great documentation on creating packages, nothing explaining the naming conventions yet. If I find something, I will post it here in case anyone else is as perplexed as me. |
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| 03:34.00 | blackmagic | Ok, i'm stumped. if i goto speedtest.net i hit 70+Mbps, but if i try from any mirror in the US, its never over 2MB/s. |
| 03:34.07 | blackmagic | any ideas? |
| 03:34.41 | ptrz | blackmagic: could be many things. Throttling, etc. How close is the speedtest.net mirror? |
| 03:34.46 | ptrz | or whatever they call it |
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| 03:34.53 | blackmagic | less then 50 miles. |
| 03:34.58 | ptrz | that's also TCP vs. UDP, iirc |
| 03:35.07 | ptrz | (that is, downloads are TCP, speedtest is UDP) |
| 03:35.12 | ptrz | yeah, that's probably why |
| 03:35.18 | blackmagic | i dont think it uses UDP.. |
| 03:35.45 | blackmagic | ptrz: but i trace that mirror it has 19 hops, but to my dedi, i got 7 routes. wouldnt more routes choke it to a bit? |
| 03:35.54 | blackmagic | and this is wireless by the way ptrz |
| 03:36.47 | ptrz | blackmagic: I mean, maybe. But the main issue iiuc is throttling, not the actual latency of the wire |
| 03:36.55 | Diogenes8088 | Anyone for alsa help on a imx6? |
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| 03:37.06 | blackmagic | how do i check for throttling? |
| 03:37.07 | ptrz | it may just be that your ISP isn't bright enough to put a throttling router anywhere between you and the speedtest server |
| 03:37.11 | ptrz | no idea |
| 03:37.24 | ptrz | I don't want to pretend like I know that much about commercial networking |
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| 03:37.34 | ptrz | I mean, one way to check is with a speedtest :D |
| 03:37.40 | blackmagic | i'm testing from softlayer too. |
| 03:37.54 | blackmagic | 45 down, 11 up, 112ms lat, 7ms jitter |
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| 03:39.50 | Diogenes8088 | Basically, I need to direct alsa to go to imxhdmisoc (Dev 1) instead of imxspdif, device 0, which is ostensibly working but I have no devices to test it. |
| 03:40.47 | Diogenes8088 | Should be simple, seems impossible. Trying to keep pulseudio, jack etc out as much s I can |
| 03:41.39 | blackmagic | omg im a idiot.. the wget tests is using v6..which is only 2Mb/s max |
| 03:41.50 | blackmagic | doing 11MB/s now.. all maxed out |
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| 03:46.51 | ptrz | does anyone know how to install using dpkg with a prefix, but without chrooting? |
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| 03:51.43 | car | Hi, if i use checkinstall building a package from tarball, how do i tell debian about the developmentfiles? https://gist.github.com/anonymous/ee0c6ff721a326259a8a |
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| 04:04.54 | vkrishn | hi, |
| 04:05.29 | vkrishn | there is no live iso for rescue ? |
| 04:05.50 | vkrishn | similar to "debian-live-7.8.0-amd64-rescue.iso" |
| 04:06.14 | vkrishn | could not locate in current Jessie, any help ? |
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| 04:20.53 | ebfull | i like holding alt+click to rescale and move around windows in KDE, can you get this in GNOME as well? |
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| 04:32.46 | shay_shay | ebfull: duprt+clock |
| 04:32.48 | shay_shay | er |
| 04:32.53 | shay_shay | super+click |
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| 04:33.51 | p0wersploit | nvidia drivers are causing my system to try and use (and fail) a bunch of displays that that don't exist, every time it fails at it the screen flashes and bugs out |
| 04:34.08 | p0wersploit | xorg.conf is not obviously saying why it's trying to use them, it only shows display 0 |
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| 04:34.40 | p0wersploit | I'm not totally sure how to fix this >_> |
| 04:35.14 | shay_shay | why do you have display 0 in your xorg? |
| 04:35.17 | shay_shay | .conf |
| 04:35.30 | p0wersploit | i doubt that was its exact terms |
| 04:35.34 | p0wersploit | I meant it looked normal |
| 04:35.48 | p0wersploit | no obvious mention of these non existent displays |
| 04:35.57 | shay_shay | http://paste.debian.net/196274/ |
| 04:36.03 | shay_shay | this is all you need in it for nvidia |
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| 04:36.29 | p0wersploit | mine has way more than that |
| 04:36.30 | p0wersploit | lol |
| 04:36.52 | shay_shay | well, you will have to figure out what it is by process of elimination |
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| 04:37.21 | shay_shay | if this config i gave you fixes it then you can little by little add your personal tweaks back to it until you discover the culprit |
| 04:37.28 | p0wersploit | yeah it actually does refer to "Screen0" Device0 and Monitor0 |
| 04:37.41 | p0wersploit | Sounds good I'll do that, thanks |
| 04:37.48 | p0wersploit | xsettings obviously screwed it up |
| 04:37.53 | p0wersploit | errr not settings |
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| 04:37.55 | p0wersploit | xconig |
| 04:37.58 | p0wersploit | config |
| 04:38.21 | p0wersploit | cause monitor 0 is in there with Vendor and Model "unknown" |
| 04:38.32 | p0wersploit | i don't know if it tried to fetch displays over the network somehow or what |
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| 04:38.55 | p0wersploit | I wasn't remotely logged into anything but the network i was on had those exact displays it wants to use on it |
| 04:38.58 | p0wersploit | its weird |
| 04:39.40 | ptrz | can debootstrap be used for recovery? |
| 04:39.49 | ptrz | that is, will it overwrite things? |
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| 04:45.01 | shay_shay | ptrz that's not a good idea, but yes it will overwrite things |
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| 04:49.07 | shay_shay | looks like the paste site is getting spam: http://paste.debian.net/196322 |
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| 04:51.29 | p0wersploit | haha |
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| 05:09.57 | p0wersploit | huh? I ran usermod -a -G wireshark username and added myself to wireshark group, /etc/group confirms I did |
| 05:10.12 | p0wersploit | wireshark still says permission denied and asked if i was a member of the group? |
| 05:10.22 | p0wersploit | and then said to run that EXACT command |
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| 05:15.58 | shay_shay | did you log back in? |
| 05:16.09 | shay_shay | group changes wont effect until you log in afterwards\ |
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| 05:16.32 | shay_shay | if you need to do it from a terminal you can use "su - myuser" |
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| 05:32.27 | rjsalts | Watch out for http://www.halfdog.net/Security/2012/TtyPushbackPrivilegeEscalation/ with su |
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| 05:35.07 | shay_shay | rjsalts: in my example myuser is su - to himself |
| 05:35.12 | shay_shay | to re-log-in |
| 05:35.26 | rjsalts | yeah, I realize |
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| 05:37.09 | rjsalts | and I still use su even though I know about that problem |
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| 05:37.59 | ag4ve | rjsalts: nice |
| 05:38.15 | p0wersploit | says its a problem with ubuntu package |
| 05:38.57 | shay_shay | rjsalts: in this bash example, if i replaced sudo with su it would be insecure, but this way it's not? https://gist.github.com/shawnbon206/6e47c643001bb35c65c9 |
| 05:39.14 | shay_shay | for example that script needs to be run as root |
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| 05:40.34 | p0wersploit | it says some of packages for example whatever from ubuntu, what are the other packages |
| 05:40.41 | p0wersploit | I don't care about one from ubuntu |
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| 05:40.51 | rjsalts | shay_shay: can't you also run it if you've been give permission to run bash as regularuser in /etc/sudoers? |
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| 05:42.41 | rjsalts | shay_shay: but yeah, if someone had control of regularuser and you did su in that script then the person in control of regularuser can take control of your tty and inject commands into the root context the su was initiated from |
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| 05:43.23 | rjsalts | shay_shay: but sudo has taken steps to prevent the tty being under control of the new process |
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| 05:55.23 | ptrz | how do I just force apt-get to blindly update/reinstall everything? |
| 05:55.31 | ptrz | I need it to have more faith than it does :D |
| 05:56.12 | ptrz | the system crashed in the middle of a wheezy -> jessie upgrade |
| 05:56.23 | p0wersploit | more faith than it does? >_> |
| 05:56.30 | ptrz | :) |
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| 05:56.34 | p0wersploit | I am going to take a guess and say forcing it is a bad idea |
| 05:56.40 | ptrz | I don't think so |
| 05:56.46 | ptrz | this thing's completely flatlined |
| 05:56.58 | p0wersploit | some sort of dkpg error? |
| 05:57.00 | ptrz | and everything's coming from the jessie repos, so it should all be coherent |
| 05:57.12 | ptrz | apt-get dist-upgrade died in the middle of wheezy -> jessie |
| 05:57.25 | p0wersploit | are you getting a specific error? |
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| 05:57.29 | ptrz | nothing I'm finding online seems to be doing anything |
| 05:57.32 | p0wersploit | did you try dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 05:57.35 | ptrz | just tons of conflicts etc |
| 05:57.59 | ptrz | how would that help? |
| 05:58.24 | themill | You'll find that apt and dpkg are very robust to errors -- dpkg knows to the level of each file what has been unpacked; apt knows which packages were installed |
| 05:58.25 | p0wersploit | I've seen it fix broken dpkg many times |
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| 05:58.56 | themill | ptrz: what are you actually stuck on? Can you pastebin the command and full output? |
| 05:59.38 | ptrz | actually, it is giving me "Unable to correct dependencies" at the end |
| 05:59.50 | ptrz | also, it's 2 AM here so I should probably just go sleep and deal with this tomorrow :P |
| 05:59.56 | themill | ptrz: can you start with the output of "apt-get -f install" |
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| 06:01.30 | ptrz | themill: it tells me "Unable to correct dependencies". Come to think of it, every single conflict causing the error is just that a package depends on a newer version of libc, but the system still has the wheezy version |
| 06:01.47 | ptrz | I'd give you a pastebin, but it's on a separate terminal-only system and I'm falling asleep |
| 06:02.15 | ptrz | so basically, if I can just tell apt-get to stfu and install the current libc6, I'm good |
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| 06:02.18 | ptrz | it would seem |
| 06:03.07 | p0wersploit | Can download the libc6 .deb and install it without aptitude maybe? |
| 06:04.23 | p0wersploit | I'd try dpkg --configure -a too |
| 06:04.32 | p0wersploit | I've seen it fix a lot of issues |
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| 06:04.58 | p0wersploit | But without exact output it's hard to be very helpful |
| 06:05.28 | p0wersploit | might get more info with apt-get -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=yes dist-upgrade |
| 06:05.32 | p0wersploit | idk |
| 06:06.43 | ptrz | I might just try force-installing the libc6 package |
| 06:06.46 | ptrz | looks like it would work |
| 06:06.49 | ptrz | through dpkg, that is |
| 06:07.59 | p0wersploit | If you get more info and actually put it on pastebin might get more help :P other than what I've already said I don't have much suggestion |
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| 06:08.21 | p0wersploit | can read up on https://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.apt-get.html for options |
| 06:08.55 | ptrz | I'm getting there |
| 06:08.56 | p0wersploit | there's various information there you might find useful |
| 06:09.28 | p0wersploit | I'm sure there's a solution, if you're that tired it might not happen tonight :P |
| 06:09.43 | p0wersploit | Don't want to be tired and then do something reckless |
| 06:10.20 | ptrz | that's true |
| 06:10.23 | ptrz | I'm so close though |
| 06:10.31 | ptrz | and it's so infuriating and makes so little sense |
| 06:10.33 | ptrz | :P |
| 06:10.35 | themill | no... don't do that with libc |
| 06:10.46 | themill | ptrz: If you can afford to leave it until tomorrow, then just do that. |
| 06:10.56 | p0wersploit | Well don't do something cause you're trying to take a shortcut of just forcing |
| 06:11.04 | p0wersploit | Do it right, sleep and come back to it |
| 06:11.05 | ptrz | "ncsd : Depends : libc (<2.14) but 2.19-18 is installed" well, maybe... update ncsd? |
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| 06:13.11 | ptrz | quit |
| 06:13.17 | ptrz | lol, missed the / |
| 06:13.23 | ptrz | well, thanks for the help |
| 06:13.33 | ptrz | I'll be back tomorrow, in all likelihood |
| 06:13.57 | p0wersploit | isn't that libc from unstable |
| 06:14.11 | p0wersploit | that is installed >_> |
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| 06:15.03 | ptrz | huh? |
| 06:15.06 | p0wersploit | i thought this happened upgrading to jessie |
| 06:15.11 | ptrz | it did |
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| 06:15.29 | ptrz | is 2.19-18 unstable? |
| 06:15.50 | p0wersploit | It's from Sid |
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| 06:16.09 | p0wersploit | If you're trying to go to Jessie it's trying to downgrade |
| 06:16.13 | p0wersploit | not the other way around |
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| 06:16.51 | p0wersploit | Well...I guess I see it in Jessie too but... |
| 06:16.57 | p0wersploit | not in anything below Jessie |
| 06:16.59 | p0wersploit | :P |
| 06:17.09 | p0wersploit | Looks like your aptitude is trying to downgrade |
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| 06:17.58 | p0wersploit | https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libc6 |
| 06:18.20 | p0wersploit | 2.19-18 is what is installed then it has the correct version for Jessie and up |
| 06:18.34 | p0wersploit | It shouldn't need to upgrade for any reason |
| 06:19.28 | p0wersploit | I'm not entirely sure now what your actual issue is ... it isn't needing to upgrade that package |
| 06:19.53 | p0wersploit | it says it is trying to install something that is a downgrade |
| 06:19.56 | ptrz | it's not trying to. it states "2.19-18 is to be installed" |
| 06:19.59 | ptrz | and is also already installed |
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| 06:20.17 | ptrz | but manually by dpkg |
| 06:20.19 | p0wersploit | libc (<2.14) but 2.19-18 is installed is what you put |
| 06:20.31 | ptrz | yeah |
| 06:20.43 | p0wersploit | which is saying it wants something lower than the version that is installed? |
| 06:20.51 | ptrz | it is both installed and to be installed :) |
| 06:21.01 | themill | which is quite fine |
| 06:21.11 | ptrz | so, something *depends* on <2.14, but that's not what it's getting |
| 06:21.19 | ptrz | you're missing the first two words of the line |
| 06:21.19 | themill | What happens if you "aptitude install nscd=2.19-18" |
| 06:21.44 | themill | (or even just "aptitude -f install" tbf) |
| 06:21.59 | p0wersploit | did you try configuring dkpg? |
| 06:22.06 | p0wersploit | it seriously fixes a lot of stuff |
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| 06:22.16 | ptrz | I did, iirc |
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| 06:22.23 | p0wersploit | hm |
| 06:23.17 | ptrz | well, bedtime :) |
| 06:23.19 | ptrz | goodnight |
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| 06:23.58 | ptrz | also, thank you all so much for the help :) |
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| 06:24.16 | p0wersploit | If you want much more help tomorrow I would post full commands and output :P |
| 06:24.18 | ptrz | also, I've been running sudo apt-get -f install quite a bit, to test things |
| 06:24.32 | ptrz | I've tried everything under the sun, nothing's been working |
| 06:24.32 | p0wersploit | It's a lot easier to help with specifics |
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| 06:24.57 | ptrz | I totally understand. I just decided that I have to get some sleep before that happens :) |
| 06:25.20 | p0wersploit | for sure! |
| 06:25.28 | p0wersploit | better than breaking things further from being tired |
| 06:25.33 | p0wersploit | I've been there |
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| 06:49.36 | _abc_ | Hello. I noticed the HDT tool in the boot menu of live debian does not have the hardware identification list file present, I can see all PCI devices with it but no descriptions, which is a pain. Is there a way to remaster the dvd with this file? Why was it omitted? There is plenty of free space in the image. |
| 06:49.45 | _abc_ | That is for live DVD image. |
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| 06:51.39 | _abc_ | I mean the file pci.ids is not present I think. |
| 06:51.46 | _abc_ | looks at the image he has. |
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| 06:54.42 | _abc_ | Okay so it's just a syslinux setup issue, right? But why was the pci.ids file removed? Omission? |
| 06:56.23 | p0wersploit | If you need a specific live build you can make one, I don't think you would lack some functionality if you are just installing? |
| 06:56.30 | p0wersploit | I guess I am confused |
| 06:57.04 | _abc_ | I need to sniff out hw in things to be installed on (or not, because), without using a screwdriver or spelunking in the windows registry (if any) |
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| 06:57.36 | _abc_ | Several computers. Also I have a balky PCI card which would benefit from a nice fast booting PCI detection program such as HDT. |
| 06:58.00 | _abc_ | Sometimes it gets detected sometimes not. I need to find out if it will be chucked, remanufactured, or if something else stinks. |
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| 06:58.19 | _abc_ | In general, why would such a useful tool (HDT) be fielded without the silly pci.ids list? |
| 06:58.19 | p0wersploit | Well, you can make your own live build that has the functionality you need |
| 06:58.30 | _abc_ | Yes but I was looking for shortcuts. |
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| 06:59.12 | p0wersploit | way too technical a request for me to know about :P sorry |
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| 07:01.52 | _abc_ | Executive summary: where is the pci.ids belonging to err wheezy install dvd ? |
| 07:01.56 | _abc_ | *install live |
| 07:02.28 | p0wersploit | Use find or locate command? |
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| 07:03.09 | _abc_ | It's not on the dvd |
| 07:03.11 | p0wersploit | I see it in some usr/share directories on here |
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| 07:03.27 | p0wersploit | Then...I guess you have to manually add or change the build |
| 07:04.11 | p0wersploit | should normally be in /usr/share/hwdata |
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| 07:04.35 | _abc_ | Also they managed to put in a clever self referencing symlink. dvd/debian/debian -> dvd/debian . Not good. |
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| 07:05.06 | p0wersploit | Is there a reason you're using a live wheezy? |
| 07:05.10 | p0wersploit | It's deprecated |
| 07:05.29 | _abc_ | Yes, but which one. I found 4 on my system... |
| 07:05.38 | _abc_ | I am not interested in upgrading at this point. |
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| 07:06.34 | p0wersploit | Possibly /usr/share/misc/pci.ids could be the location? |
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| 07:08.02 | p0wersploit | There's a ton of ways to identify pci devices |
| 07:08.04 | markand | hello there |
| 07:08.11 | p0wersploit | If you need that specific one, I don't know |
| 07:08.21 | markand | pulseaudio does not have a service to make it system wide ? (that will let me use mpd with pulseaudio without a user) |
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| 07:11.21 | p0wersploit | http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/PulseAudio/Documentation/User/SystemWide/ |
| 07:11.39 | p0wersploit | It isn't a good idea though |
| 07:12.08 | p0wersploit | Security wise |
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| 07:13.04 | p0wersploit | I don't see a real legitimate reason to run it system wide but if you want to pull off hackery and do it |
| 07:13.09 | p0wersploit | i guess have fun |
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| 07:14.31 | p0wersploit | if you're asking a question that is answered in a top google result though it's probably not something you should do |
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| 07:17.59 | markand | okay I think I'll stick with user session for pusleaudio and plain alsa if I need mpd system wide |
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| 07:18.31 | markand | the problem is that using alsa output with mpd makes it not reactive to hot output change (e.g switching from laptop speaker to bluetooth, hdmi) |
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| 07:22.43 | p0wersploit | there's probably a way you can edit a .conf for mpd or alsa to give it better functionality |
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| 07:22.59 | p0wersploit | I don't think that it's a good idea to make pulse system wide over it |
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| 07:27.50 | future28 | Hi, when I log onto gnome 3, my brightness is full. I attempted a fix I found online but I can't get it to work as I have no gnome-session-properties |
| 07:27.58 | future28 | Can anyone point me in the right direction? |
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| 07:31.27 | _abc_ | p0wersploit: Point is, I upgrade and keep old stuff. I have pci.ids going back to 2006 on this machine. The best indication of freshness is date and file size. The latter doubled in the last 10 years... |
| 07:31.33 | _abc_ | bbl thanks |
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| 07:44.08 | markand | where are all debian packages sources stored ? |
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| 07:45.37 | WormFood | What package in debian, can extract an .arc archive? |
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| 07:49.24 | bezaban | ,v arc |
| 07:49.26 | judd | Package: arc on amd64 -- squeeze: 5.21o-2; wheezy: 5.21p-1; jessie: 5.21q-1; sid: 5.21q-3; stretch: 5.21q-3 |
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| 07:52.06 | jelly | markand: on the same mirrors as binary packages |
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| 07:52.40 | jelly | dpkg, tell markand about source |
| 07:52.44 | jelly | dpkg, tell markand about deb-src |
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| 07:53.12 | markand | so debian developers do not use a SCM to update the packages? |
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| 07:53.37 | jelly | markand: they do, this is just the end product ready for building |
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| 07:54.57 | jelly | markand: well, they usually do. It's not mandated, though. There are workflows based on git and svn and probably others. |
| 07:55.11 | markand | I want the SCM repository not end user packages, for example if I would like to create my own debian version (just curious, will not) |
| 07:55.48 | markand | mmm that sound's complicated |
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| 07:56.40 | jelly | markand: there is no single all-encompassing SCM |
| 07:57.12 | markand | oh |
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| 07:57.23 | markand | okay |
| 07:57.31 | kalon33 | Hello everybody |
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| 07:58.11 | markand | this is what I like in FreeBSD's ports |
| 07:58.13 | kalon33 | I'm looking for a way to download source (with packaging) from a package in NEW queue... how can I do that? |
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| 07:58.33 | jelly | markand: look at specific package apt-cache showsrc, it often (but not always) shows a couple headers starting with Vcs- |
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| 07:58.53 | jelly | eg. apt-cache showsrc zsh says: |
| 07:59.00 | jelly | Vcs-Browser: https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/collab-maint/zsh.git |
| 07:59.00 | jelly | Vcs-Git: git://anonscm.debian.org/collab-maint/zsh.git -b debian |
| 07:59.24 | markand | and is there a way to get all packages source directly from apt-get source ? |
| 07:59.40 | markand | and then do massive build of them ? :P |
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| 07:59.43 | markand | probably with pbuilder |
| 08:00.04 | jelly | markand: to what end, are you starting a new architecture? |
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| 08:00.52 | markand | no just curious, if one day I need to |
| 08:00.58 | markand | I like to know internals |
| 08:01.12 | markand | because I'll probably create my own debian repository any time soon |
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| 08:01.23 | markand | but not to replace all debian packages, but adding / updating some |
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| 08:01.41 | jelly | you don't need to clone all of debian for that, just keep track of your own |
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| 08:03.01 | markand | so basically, debian packagers use their preferrec SCM, and then publish them to the FTP using the "incoming" mechanism right? |
| 08:03.49 | jelly | something like that yes |
| 08:04.03 | kalon33 | @jelly Do you know how I can download a package with source from Debian's NEW queue? |
| 08:04.18 | markand | and what if an user bump a very popular shared library (such as png) ? |
| 08:04.25 | markand | it will requires rebuilding a *lot* of packages |
| 08:04.29 | jelly | kalon33: no idea... why would you want to do that? |
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| 08:04.47 | jelly | markand: indeed |
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| 08:05.04 | markand | I don't know if the incoming mechanism can understand tht |
| 08:05.06 | markand | that * |
| 08:05.10 | jelly | markand: but only if the new version is ABI-incompatible with old one |
| 08:05.20 | markand | yes of course, that's exactly what I'm asking |
| 08:05.35 | kalon33 | @jelly because I need to build that package (dep of another one) and it has not been included in Debian yet |
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| 08:06.11 | jelly | kalon33: which package, how do you know it's sitting in NEW? |
| 08:06.36 | kalon33 | jelly: because it's there: https://ftp-master.debian.org/new/gst-rtsp-server1.0_1.4.5-1.html |
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| 08:07.01 | zotherstupidguy | how to convert djvu to pdf? |
| 08:07.02 | jelly | dunno, I guess you'll have to wait for ftpmasters to do their work first |
| 08:07.24 | jelly | kalon33: or ask in #debian-devel over on irc.oftc.net |
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| 08:08.09 | kalon33 | jelly: thanks |
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| 08:13.02 | jelly | markand: don't know the specifics of how such migrations are managed, sorry. Presumably mass bugs may be filed to remind maintainers to rebuild |
| 08:13.20 | markand | okay, I'll document myself more on it :) |
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| 08:45.20 | rich_ | hello all |
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| 08:46.41 | Agiofws | hello |
| 08:47.26 | Agiofws | can anyone here help get my GUI back using this vga card NVIDIA Corporation NV36 [GeForce FX 5700LE] i upgraded to jessie and now i don't have a gui... |
| 08:47.57 | p0wersploit | remove the /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 08:48.04 | p0wersploit | as it obviously was done incorrectly |
| 08:48.11 | p0wersploit | if that isn't there you need it |
| 08:48.12 | Agiofws | on the site it says that those cards are only supported by wheezy but i am sure there is a workaround for it... |
| 08:48.16 | p0wersploit | or of course you don't have a GUI |
| 08:48.28 | Agiofws | can anyone suggest anything or help me figure this one out |
| 08:48.30 | jelly | Agiofws: which site? |
| 08:48.32 | p0wersploit | if neither of those works, uninstall the drivers |
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| 08:49.59 | rich_ | is sudo worth installing for a single user desktop? |
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| 08:51.07 | blixten | yeah |
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| 08:52.02 | blixten | you wanna use NOPASSWD: so you dont have to type root pw for everything |
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| 08:52.43 | jelly | rich_: depends on your workflow and how often you mess with root |
| 08:53.16 | Agiofws | jelly: The Jessie non-free repositories contain NVidia driver V. 340.46 which only suits modern graphics cards. By "Legacy" I am referring to earlier ... |
| 08:54.05 | jelly | Agiofws: the card may be supported by nouveau |
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| 08:54.36 | darsie | hi |
| 08:54.43 | p0wersploit | why for any reason would you get rid of having to enter root password |
| 08:54.59 | superrorc | Trying to boot in to wheezy and prompt ask me ty Enter runlevel: |
| 08:55.03 | jelly | Agiofws: but you didn't say which site says "only wheezy" |
| 08:55.04 | superrorc | what shoudl i do? |
| 08:55.20 | Agiofws | The Jessie non-free repositories contain NVidia driver V. 340.46 which only suits modern graphics cards. By "Legacy" I am referring to earlier versions available from the Wheezy repositiories. |
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| 08:55.29 | jelly | superrorc: is that all it says, nothing before that prompt? |
| 08:55.47 | Agiofws | jelly: i'm in terminal mode no gui so there is no address bar in lynx |
| 08:55.52 | p0wersploit | Yes, you want to install sudo and run as a regular user unless you NEED not to |
| 08:56.01 | jelly | Agiofws: press = in lynx |
| 08:56.30 | p0wersploit | Root has access to every piece of code on your system, do you really want to run a web browser and it run arbitrary code from what you thought was a secure site? |
| 08:56.35 | Agiofws | In many instructions you will be asked to run: "sudo apt-get -s install nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-dkms nvidia-xconfig nvidia-settings" |
| 08:56.38 | p0wersploit | And it be running as root? |
| 08:56.48 | superrorc | jelly: Yes. just normal output and no errors. than its appear |
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| 08:57.18 | amflir | are debian stretch iso images available for download? if not, when will they be? |
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| 08:58.22 | p0wersploit | Even if you can handle not screwing up by running powerful commands and you're the only user |
| 08:58.38 | p0wersploit | You don't want to be root on every process at all times |
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| 08:58.55 | Leelou | I all, i have a little problem, i lock Qbitorrent with a password, but now he say me the password is incorrect ? Somebody help me ? |
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| 08:59.21 | p0wersploit | Running a web browser as root is the worst idea ever |
| 08:59.23 | jelly | Agiofws: hmm, = doesn't show the URL as it used to? |
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| 09:01.16 | Agiofws | no it doesn't an i lost the one i was reading |
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| 09:06.09 | ws2k3 | does debian have openstack in its repo's? |
| 09:06.57 | Agiofws | jelly: just in case someone with an "older" nVidia board finds this thread. The "older" nVidia boards don't work with the 304. drivers shown above, and you might need to use 173. or 96. software instead. I put the list of which gpus are supported by which packages below... |
| 09:07.13 | p0wersploit | yes, apt-cache search openstack |
| 09:07.30 | p0wersploit | google run openstack on debian |
| 09:07.40 | p0wersploit | it's simple to setup |
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| 09:09.55 | Agiofws | can i install The 304.xx driver in jessie? |
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| 09:10.24 | future28 | Hi again, I'm having some issues with gdm3. As I log in I get the "Oh no!" message, but 1 second later the desktop comes up as usual. How could I diagnose? |
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| 09:12.19 | p0wersploit | log files |
| 09:12.51 | p0wersploit | If you see that message, I am sure the kernel had something to say |
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| 09:13.35 | future28 | p0wersploit: no kernel messages. Not sure where the gnome log is/xorg, will take a look |
| 09:14.12 | p0wersploit | /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 09:14.23 | p0wersploit | journalctl |
| 09:14.29 | p0wersploit | /var/log/messages |
| 09:14.43 | p0wersploit | If you have gdm logs in /var/log |
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| 09:15.02 | p0wersploit | Anything else in /var/log that looks remotely relevant |
| 09:15.18 | p0wersploit | There is no excuse I can think of to get that message and it not leave evidence |
| 09:15.49 | p0wersploit | use less to view them and type G to skip to the end |
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| 09:15.58 | p0wersploit | so that you don't have to scroll too much |
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| 09:17.35 | future28 | p0wersploit: Thanks, investigating |
| 09:17.57 | p0wersploit | sure thing, if you find something specific I will help further if need |
| 09:18.19 | p0wersploit | I'm sure you just have to view the relevant log, that doesn't happen and it not leave a trace |
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| 09:21.01 | future28 | thanks p0wersploit, I might get back to you. Need a reboot |
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| 09:33.12 | caraconan | Hi there. Somebody else is having issues installing ionic? It works like a charm under Ubuntu, but installation process fails in Debian testing. |
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| 09:41.32 | darxmurf | I just upgraded a machine from wheezy to jessie and lightdm can't start |
| 09:41.58 | darxmurf | Jun 3 11:41:01 lcbcpc11 systemd[1]: lightdm.service: main process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE |
| 09:42.04 | darxmurf | the only error I have in syslog |
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| 09:42.57 | petn-randall | darxmurf: Check /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 09:43.40 | p0wersploit | systemctl status lightdm.service |
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| 09:46.30 | darxmurf | petn-randall: wait in fact I think I messed up the driver Oo |
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| 09:54.48 | caraconan | Mode details here: http://paste.debian.net/196530/ Somebody else here is experiencing issues installing ionic? |
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| 09:56.02 | fennesz | Guys is there a way I can set my time zone to UTC in debian 8 . The only option I find is AZOST (Azores , Portugal) |
| 09:56.21 | ChrisH | caraconan: I cannot see any issues in your paste. Just Ubunutu (not supported here) and Debian testing (not supported here) version numbers) |
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| 09:58.15 | caraconan | ChrisH: sorry, but I was not looking for support. I was just asking if somebody else here using Debian (and I'm sure that not everybody is using stable branch) is facing same issue. In the other hand I pointed to the packages that I guess are relevant here |
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| 09:58.45 | Klapstok | How do I install Debian without a CD-ROM player |
| 09:58.56 | p0wersploit | usb |
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| 09:59.02 | Klapstok | I got an USB HDD that boots my debian installer |
| 09:59.29 | Klapstok | But while installing it seems to be wanting to detect and mount CD-ROM |
| 09:59.35 | Klapstok | but it cannot |
| 10:00.09 | Klapstok | so i tried to say it's in /dev/sdb |
| 10:00.29 | Klapstok | and i tried to mount /dev/sdbinto /cdrom or /dev/cdrom |
| 10:00.32 | Klapstok | but it won't |
| 10:00.57 | themill | Klapstok: how did you make this usb installer? |
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| 10:01.36 | Klapstok | It is a multiboot USB installer. got lots of stuff in the boot menu |
| 10:01.45 | SOUL_OF_R00T | abyone can guide me with alsamixer for an m-audio card? |
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| 10:02.29 | agiofws | hello |
| 10:02.29 | Klapstok | got windows boots, unix boots and systemtools |
| 10:02.41 | themill | Klapstok: that's a pretty typical problem that things like unetbootin cause when converting an isohybrid image into an image like that |
| 10:02.59 | Agiofws | can anyone help me with a jessie upgrade NO GUI issue? |
| 10:03.08 | Klapstok | themill: yeah, but is there a known sollution? |
| 10:03.16 | Agiofws | i can't get a gui after upgrading to jessie |
| 10:03.20 | themill | Klapstok: don't use unetbootin is the normal one |
| 10:03.23 | Klapstok | themill: I googled it, but those sollutions do not work |
| 10:03.30 | ChrisH | Klapstok: follow the Release notes and cp iso /dev/sdX |
| 10:04.42 | Agiofws | although i CAN get a LOGIN manager GUI screen i cannot login INTO gnome.. it says "a problem has a occured to the system can't recover" CAN someone PLEASE help |
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| 10:05.24 | Agiofws | i installed LIGHTDM and now i do get a login screen but then gnome does not want to load.... |
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| 10:05.46 | Agiofws | if i alternate to gdm3 i get no login scccreen |
| 10:05.51 | Agiofws | anyon eplease help |
| 10:06.09 | Klapstok | themill: I use YUMI to create the bootdisk |
| 10:06.26 | soundtoxin | has anyone gotten this error on livestreamer before? It happens with all URLs I try. "error: No streams found on this URL: https://youtu.be/48A_Yqj965c" |
| 10:06.26 | Agiofws | whats the LOGIN manager got to do with GUI not loading and hwy does LIGHTDM give me a login in screen and not gdm |
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| 10:06.54 | julius__ | hi |
| 10:06.54 | Agiofws | andd why doesn't gnome start? |
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| 10:07.17 | Klapstok | ChrisH: I do not get that |
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| 10:08.55 | ChrisH | Klapstok: Debian Release Notes say: use cp to copy the installer.iso onto your media. eg. cp debian.iso /dev/sdc (not sdc1) |
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| 10:09.12 | p0wersploit | Agiofws: you need to check logs |
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| 10:10.58 | Agiofws | p0wersploit: which logs ? 34.752] (EE) Failed to load module "nv" (module does not exist, 0) |
| 10:11.01 | Klapstok | ChrisH: Yeah. but that way i will ruin my multiboot USB HDD |
| 10:11.14 | Agiofws | gnome logs? |
| 10:11.21 | p0wersploit | That's a very obvious problem :P |
| 10:11.29 | p0wersploit | You have nvidia drivers incorrectly installed |
| 10:11.50 | p0wersploit | Either they are the wrong driver or you did it wrong |
| 10:11.59 | ChrisH | Klapstok: then use an usb stick. Multiboot does not work with Debian iso images. Its your choice |
| 10:12.20 | Klapstok | It used to work in the past |
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| 10:15.07 | p0wersploit | Agiofws: if you explain what you did to install the drivers, I might know what went wrong. To get a GUI back delete /etc/X11/xorg.conf if that doesn't work you have to uninstall the driver or fix it |
| 10:15.58 | SynrGy | mhm. putting 'nv' in xorg.conf used to be for the very old 'nv' driver now superceded by 'nouveau' |
| 10:16.02 | Agiofws | p0wersploit: i think i don't even have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 10:16.30 | SynrGy | so failing to find 'nv' sounds like misconfiguration to use free nvidia driver by old name, not misconfiguration of non-free nvidia |
| 10:16.42 | SynrGy | which, iirc has always been 'nvidia' |
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| 10:17.03 | SynrGy | (the non-free one has always been, i mean) |
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| 10:18.17 | Agiofws | p0wersploit: nope no such file |
| 10:18.19 | SynrGy | Agiofws: a very old system? what release was on it before your upgrade to jessie? |
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| 10:18.28 | p0wersploit | That's why you have no GUI |
| 10:18.36 | SynrGy | Agiofws: check also the contents of /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/, if you have one |
| 10:18.37 | Agiofws | SynrGy: it was on wheezy |
| 10:18.45 | p0wersploit | Agiofws: Assuming you have the right binary, run nvidia-xconfig |
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| 10:18.48 | SynrGy | ok. just sanity-checking that you did not skip over releases |
| 10:19.00 | p0wersploit | install the package nvidia-xconfig if you don't have it |
| 10:19.00 | SynrGy | also, i could be misremembering the 'nv' thing |
| 10:19.23 | Agiofws | No package 'xorg-server' found |
| 10:19.24 | Agiofws | New X configuration file written to '/etc/X11/xorg.conf' |
| 10:19.37 | Agiofws | ok now what? |
| 10:19.44 | p0wersploit | Agiofws: After you run nvidia-xconfig, add "nomodeset" to your /etc/default/grub grub cmd line |
| 10:19.47 | dnsk_ | hi |
| 10:20.06 | p0wersploit | Agiofws: you might need xorg-xserver-nvidia or whatever it's called |
| 10:20.11 | dnsk_ | Does anyone have a fix for youtube issue? |
| 10:20.39 | p0wersploit | After you add that to grub, and assuming you don't need the xorg package which you probably do |
| 10:20.41 | p0wersploit | reboot |
| 10:20.57 | p0wersploit | I would get the xorg xserver package and rerun nvidia-xconfig though |
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| 10:21.02 | Agiofws | p0wersploit: do i add it on a line by its self ? |
| 10:21.06 | p0wersploit | No |
| 10:21.31 | p0wersploit | GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX= |
| 10:21.38 | p0wersploit | inside of that |
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| 10:22.00 | Agiofws | p0wersploit: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet nomodeset" ? |
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| 10:22.12 | SynrGy | p0wersploit: hold off on this for a sec. we have a factoid for this ... |
| 10:22.17 | p0wersploit | Agiofws: you could also do nouveau.modeset=0 but yes right there |
| 10:22.27 | SynrGy | seems like way too many steps |
| 10:22.46 | SynrGy | !nvidia dkms |
| 10:22.46 | dpkg | For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. |
| 10:22.57 | SynrGy | just that. |
| 10:23.02 | p0wersploit | Well, I've seen people say in jessie just to install the binary or whatever |
| 10:23.09 | p0wersploit | I couldn't imagine it being that simple |
| 10:23.22 | p0wersploit | you definitely have to run nvidia-xconfig |
| 10:23.29 | p0wersploit | you definitely have to have the right packages |
| 10:23.43 | Agiofws | p0wersploit: xserver-xorg-video-nvidia - NVIDIA binary Xorg driver |
| 10:23.45 | Agiofws | xserver-xorg-video-nvidia-legacy-304xx - NVIDIA binary Xorg driver (304xx legacy version) ? |
| 10:23.49 | p0wersploit | Yes |
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| 10:23.59 | SynrGy | there's nothing above about running nvidia-xconfig. have you tried it without? |
| 10:23.59 | p0wersploit | If you need the legacy ones |
| 10:24.04 | p0wersploit | It won't work |
| 10:24.05 | p0wersploit | lol |
| 10:24.06 | Agiofws | xserver-xorg-video-nvidia-legacy-304xx - NVIDIA binary Xorg driver (304xx legacy version) ? |
| 10:24.12 | p0wersploit | I've installed a billion nvidia drivers |
| 10:24.16 | SynrGy | that echo supercedes it |
| 10:24.20 | p0wersploit | You can manually make your own xorg.conf |
| 10:24.35 | p0wersploit | Like it says to |
| 10:24.44 | p0wersploit | I prefer to have it generate the best options |
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| 10:25.07 | p0wersploit | Agiofws: If you are using the legacy driver and need to then yes |
| 10:25.13 | SynrGy | p0wersploit: but you're adding extra steps like manually adding nomodeset |
| 10:25.16 | SynrGy | p0wersploit: also not necessary |
| 10:25.56 | SynrGy | p0wersploit: the debian package blacklists nouveau, so doing nouveau.modeset=0 is a no-op |
| 10:25.59 | p0wersploit | SynrGy: I installed mine recently, without that option it would boot to loading nouveau and then reboot to the bios |
| 10:26.13 | SynrGy | using the debian non-free nvidia package? then your initrd is screwed |
| 10:26.19 | p0wersploit | SynrGy: It's not a Debian based distro, it might be slightly different |
| 10:26.24 | SynrGy | it shouldn't be loading nouveau at boot with nouveau blacklisted |
| 10:26.37 | SynrGy | p0wersploit: well, please don't offer help for non-Debian distros to Debian users ;) |
| 10:26.46 | p0wersploit | I have done it a billion times on Debian |
| 10:26.47 | p0wersploit | lol |
| 10:26.56 | SynrGy | that's why we make these factoids. to try to distill standard solutions into well-tested simple steps |
| 10:26.59 | p0wersploit | On machines that aren't mine |
| 10:27.11 | SynrGy | sure. then you've done it a billion times wrong, if you're setting nomodeset |
| 10:27.19 | SynrGy | as i said, horrible things won't happen. it's just a no-op |
| 10:27.32 | SynrGy | (s/setting/clearing/) |
| 10:27.38 | p0wersploit | I guess THAT might be unnecessary |
| 10:27.45 | p0wersploit | You do have to blacklist nouveau |
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| 10:28.03 | SynrGy | not explicitly |
| 10:28.04 | p0wersploit | And I think in Debian the driver binary does it automatically |
| 10:28.08 | SynrGy | yes. :) |
| 10:28.31 | p0wersploit | For good measure I tell people to use grub cmd line or check their modprobe |
| 10:28.39 | p0wersploit | Just in case it doesn't do it auto |
| 10:28.50 | p0wersploit | I will say on no distro have I ever not run nvidia-xconfig |
| 10:29.00 | p0wersploit | And let it automatically configure xorg.conf |
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| 10:29.17 | p0wersploit | It's easier for new people usually |
| 10:29.23 | p0wersploit | To get correct options |
| 10:29.32 | SynrGy | 07:18 < SynrGy> Agiofws: check also the contents of /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/, if you have one |
| 10:29.52 | SynrGy | Agiofws: did you do that? i was just curious as to how Xorg.0.log was looking for 'nv' |
| 10:30.02 | TuomasKotamaa | Hello everyone, again! Due to an electrical storm I lost my internet connection and had to reboot my Debian system. Just before rebooting I had put some files onto an usb-drive - the files were important and had no backups, my plan was to copy them onto the stick and then onto another computer to make back ups. And now I can't mount the usb anymore - gpart says it has no file system. Please, could you point me on my way to saving |
| 10:30.02 | TuomasKotamaa | those files? This is usually the place where I ask first. |
| 10:30.33 | p0wersploit | Oh that's not good :( |
| 10:30.42 | p0wersploit | Look into drive recovery programs? |
| 10:31.22 | fireba11 | TuomasKotamaa: 1) make a 1:1 copy with dd of the stick 2) run a bunch of recovery tools vs your copy |
| 10:31.24 | ChrisH | TuomasKotamaa: _I_ would use dd to get an image of the stick and do all work an a _copy_ of the image! |
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| 10:32.25 | hoxu | tried sending mail to debian.org from gmail, got "Google tried to deliver your message, but it was rejected by the server for the recipient domain debian.org by mailly.debian.org. [2001:41b8:202:deb:6564:a62:52c3:4b72]." |
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| 10:32.41 | TuomasKotamaa | *Please hold* - attempting "dd" |
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| 10:37.25 | TuomasKotamaa | Using dd should I try to copy the disk or the device? ie. /dev/sdb or /dev/sdb1? |
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| 10:38.31 | p0wersploit | your if= would be /dev/whatever |
| 10:38.40 | p0wersploit | sdb I guess |
| 10:38.44 | p0wersploit | if you want the whole thing |
| 10:38.48 | ws2k3 | TuomasKotamaa depends on what you wanne do you can copy an entire harddisk then you would need sdb if you copy a certain partition then you need sdb1 |
| 10:38.55 | ws2k3 | so both is possible |
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| 10:39.16 | SynrGy | by the way, it is possible to have a partitionless USB stick |
| 10:39.20 | petn-randall | p0wersploit: The reason you shouldn't do redundant steps is that often if you want to revert to the old state people have to remember those steps, too. That's why we use the factoids, so people actually *know* what they have to do to revert it. |
| 10:39.32 | SynrGy | gpart could tell you the absolute truth, that it has no partitions, yet it contains a filesystem |
| 10:39.43 | SynrGy | so did you verify the USB has no filesystem? |
| 10:40.04 | petn-randall | hoxu: What was the reject message from the server? |
| 10:40.12 | SynrGy | TuomasKotamaa: ^^ |
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| 10:41.02 | SynrGy | ws2k3: both are not possible, if gpart is saying the stick has no partitions :) |
| 10:41.27 | SynrGy | oh, it says no filesystem, hmm |
| 10:41.54 | SynrGy | i don't know if gpart correctly handles the case where there's no partition table. i would *guess* not, but don't know this for certain. |
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| 10:42.46 | TuomasKotamaa | SynrGy: Yes, I ran gpart in Gparted to see what's the matter with the stick. |
| 10:42.53 | SynrGy | tries with a partitionless SD to simulate this |
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| 10:43.25 | p0wersploit | petn-randall: I guess I get that, I do know what I have to do usually. My thing is that I did try to "just install the binary" and it did not work. Granted the nomodeset was a rpm distro specific grub option. A long time ago when I was using systemvinit Debian I was still instructed to change the grub command line for nvidia drivers |
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| 10:43.53 | p0wersploit | Maybe it is irrelevant now, I was just giving what has worked in the past for me |
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| 10:44.21 | TuomasKotamaa | Here's the error message i got from trying to mount the usb as it is: "$MFTMirr does not match $MFT (record 0). |
| 10:44.21 | TuomasKotamaa | Failed to mount '/dev/sdd1': Input/output error |
| 10:44.21 | TuomasKotamaa | NTFS is either inconsistent, or there is a hardware fault, or it's a |
| 10:44.21 | TuomasKotamaa | SoftRAID/FakeRAID hardware. In the first case run chkdsk /f on Windows |
| 10:44.21 | TuomasKotamaa | then reboot into Windows twice. The usage of the /f parameter is very |
| 10:44.21 | TuomasKotamaa | important! If the device is a SoftRAID/FakeRAID then first activate |
| 10:44.21 | TuomasKotamaa | it and mount a different device under the /dev/mapper/ directory, (e.g. |
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| 10:44.31 | petn-randall | p0wersploit: Again, you comparing apples with oranges. Debian will behave a lot different to Redhat/Fedora/whatever. |
| 10:44.37 | p0wersploit | Yes I know |
| 10:44.39 | p0wersploit | I have done both |
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| 10:45.12 | p0wersploit | I believe I was helping someone on Jessie and the site instructed to just apt-get the binary, and it totally didn't work |
| 10:45.27 | p0wersploit | and they had to do additional steps you'd expect |
| 10:45.33 | p0wersploit | So that's just what I suggest |
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| 10:46.34 | petn-randall | p0wersploit: If that's the case, that would be either a bug (that needs to be filed), or a factoid that needs to be fixed. |
| 10:46.45 | hoxu | petn-randall, hmm, 550 Unrouteable address, I guess it's possible the recipient is no longer a DD? |
| 10:46.51 | p0wersploit | Ideally they will figure out on their own to look at logs and see that nouveau is being loaded and causing problems and how to blacklist, or to set up xorg.conf with whatever option |
| 10:46.57 | p0wersploit | Ideally :P |
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| 10:48.45 | SynrGy | TuomasKotamaa: so to get this straight, it's not a USB flash drive, but a USB hard drive? |
| 10:48.50 | SynrGy | TuomasKotamaa: and you have raid on it? |
| 10:49.21 | p0wersploit | Those nvidia drivers can be finicky, despite blacklisting nouveau in modprobe.d it was loading and causing me problems, there's always something that could go wrong xD |
| 10:49.48 | p0wersploit | I guess I mixed up my explanation, it would be best if that person had looked up for themselves what the drivers required and needed to load |
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| 10:50.04 | p0wersploit | My bad! |
| 10:50.14 | TuomasKotamaa | SynrGy: It was a fully working usb3-stick. |
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| 10:50.30 | SynrGy | TuomasKotamaa: so finding a raid signature on it is strange |
| 10:50.35 | petn-randall | TuomasKotamaa: Can you paste the whole error to http://paste.debian.net? |
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| 10:50.53 | p0wersploit | After installing a hundred nvidia over sysvinit jessie and red hat I guess I got mixed up a bit |
| 10:50.54 | SynrGy | TuomasKotamaa: it has ntfs on it? |
| 10:51.05 | sine0 | I have a fresh install and I have forgot the command that allows me to press the PgUp to auto search the partial command i have typed (and used previously) |
| 10:51.05 | SynrGy | TuomasKotamaa: you may need to mount this on a windows system and fix it up there. |
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| 10:51.14 | fennesz | anyone knows how I can change my system time to utc ? |
| 10:51.15 | petn-randall | p0wersploit: It's ok, no need to further explain. |
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| 10:51.41 | p0wersploit | I'll assume they figured it out cause didn't come back xD |
| 10:51.43 | SynrGy | TuomasKotamaa: i don't know what all that crap about raid is in the partial error output you pasted to the channel ... i've never seen it before. |
| 10:51.50 | SynrGy | maybe just a wrong guess |
| 10:51.59 | SynrGy | it did say "or ..." |
| 10:52.12 | p0wersploit | dpkg-reconfigure your ntp package |
| 10:52.14 | TuomasKotamaa | Paste: http://paste.debian.net/196655/ |
| 10:52.19 | petn-randall | fennesz: By default the system time (BIOS clock) is in UTC. If you want to set the timezone offset to UTC too, run 'dpkg-reconfigure -plow tzdata'. |
| 10:52.35 | p0wersploit | yeah tzdata |
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| 10:52.37 | SynrGy | TuomasKotamaa: 'there is a hardware fault', unfortunately sounds like the stick is dying |
| 10:52.53 | petn-randall | p0wersploit: Please only answer if you *know* the answer, guessing is not always helpful. |
| 10:53.24 | TuomasKotamaa | SynrGy: It's a brand new Kingston - I've used it like five times... |
| 10:53.25 | SynrGy | TuomasKotamaa: or it could just be that it has misdetected a partition table because of coincidentally having enough correct bytes in the first block, but actually there's no partition table there. |
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| 10:53.58 | petn-randall | TuomasKotamaa: if you run 'smartctl -a /dev/sdx', sdx being your device, what is the output? |
| 10:54.37 | TuomasKotamaa | petn-randall: *Please hold* - running 'smartctl -a /dev/sdx' |
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| 10:55.18 | petn-randall | TuomasKotamaa: You have to replace sdx with the name of your device, I don't know which it is. |
| 10:55.30 | SynrGy | TuomasKotamaa: what do you get with 'dd if=/dev/sdd count=1 | file -' |
| 10:55.40 | SynrGy | TuomasKotamaa: that should identify correctly what's on the stick |
| 10:55.41 | TuomasKotamaa | petn-randall: I know =) |
| 10:55.47 | petn-randall | ok |
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| 10:58.41 | BuFF | hello everyone, i've got a dual-boot machine with debian & windows on it, windows has 2 partitions, the problem is that when i'm using debian thunar mounts one of windows partition in read-only mode, so why is it so, any ideas? and maybe how could i check how debian mount those 2 windows partitions inside in thunar? |
| 10:59.02 | fennesz | petn-randall, thank you ! |
| 10:59.03 | SynrGy | i wonder if this is all just a false positive for 'broken filesystem' or 'broken usb stick' due to ntfs being left in an inconsistent state by the power fail that would be corrected if you put it on a Windows host and allowed it to fsck it |
| 10:59.09 | SynrGy | TuomasKotamaa: ^ |
| 10:59.54 | SynrGy | i don't think ntfs-3g handles fscking very well (if at all) |
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| 11:01.17 | petn-randall | fennesz: You're welcome! |
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| 11:02.53 | p0wersploit | mount with -w or --rw |
| 11:03.07 | p0wersploit | I don't think it'll change it |
| 11:03.09 | p0wersploit | :P |
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| 11:03.44 | p0wersploit | Not sure you can force rw |
| 11:03.51 | kahoz | i'm trying to use the iceowl-extension, but the calendar takes like 30seconds to render and freezes icedove on the way. anyone has ideas of what to do/check or should i look for another calendar app? :( |
| 11:03.55 | TuomasKotamaa | SynrGy: Output of 'dd if=/dev/sdd count=1 | file -' is: "/dev/stdin: DOS/MBR boot sector MS-MBR XP english at offset 0x12c "Invalid partition table" at offset 0x144 "Error loading operating system" at offset 0x163 "missing operating system", disk signature 0xb402e6df; partition 1 : ID=0x7, start-CHS (0x0, 32, 33), end-CHS (0x3ff, 254, 63) startsector 2048, 60991488 sectors" |
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| 11:05.16 | SynrGy | TuomasKotamaa: ugh. if the partition table is lost, i don't know what you can do ... |
| 11:05.25 | SynrGy | TuomasKotamaa: it certainly looks this way |
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| 11:07.12 | SynrGy | TuomasKotamaa: i guess if you recover an image of the stick you may be able to reconstruct a brand new partition table with exactly the same start and size as before, and get your filesystem back |
| 11:07.17 | TuomasKotamaa | petn-randall: Output of 'smartctl -a /dev/sdx' is: "/dev/sdb: Unknown USB bridge [0x0930:0x6545 (0x100)] Please specify device type with the -d option. Use smartctl -h to get pla plapla." |
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| 11:08.04 | SynrGy | guh. so some USBs don't talk to smartctl very well. what if you follow the advice about -d option from the help? |
| 11:08.30 | Agiofws | xserver-xorg-video-nvidia-legacy-304xx is already the newest version. |
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| 11:08.59 | TuomasKotamaa | SynrGy: I have the dd ready, but I don't know what you mean with 'trying to reconstruct'? |
| 11:09.02 | SynrGy | Agiofws: never did get an answer from you about whether you have /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ or not |
| 11:09.31 | SynrGy | TuomasKotamaa: well, using a partitioning tool on the image of the drive to create a new partition table, then create a partition in it of the right start and length |
| 11:09.51 | SynrGy | TuomasKotamaa: since the partitioning tool should only create/modify the partition table, it should leave your data intact |
| 11:10.23 | SynrGy | TuomasKotamaa: after that, if you got the start and length right, you might be able to loop mount (with an offset) the filesystem |
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| 11:10.57 | SynrGy | TuomasKotamaa: actually, crap, why didn't i think of this before ... so long as you skip the partition table, you might be able to mount it directly |
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| 11:11.57 | TuomasKotamaa | SynrGy: Yes? The solution still goes over my head? |
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| 11:12.11 | SynrGy | TuomasKotamaa: what about dd if=/dev/sdb skip=1 count=1 | file - |
| 11:12.25 | SynrGy | and failing that, there's another offset to try, sec ... |
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| 11:12.48 | TuomasKotamaa | petn-randall: 'smartctl -a -d auto /dev/sdx' gives the same answer. |
| 11:12.51 | TuomasKotamaa | SynrGy: Output of 'dd if=/dev/sdd count=1 | file -' is: "/dev/stdin: DOS/MBR boot sector MS-MBR XP english at offset 0x12c "Invalid partition table" at offset 0x144 "Error loading operating system" at offset 0x163 "missing operating system", disk signature 0xb402e6df; partition 1 : ID=0x7, start-CHS (0x0, 32, 33), end-CHS (0x3ff, 254, 63) startsector 2048, 60991488 sectors" |
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| 11:14.28 | petn-randall | TuomasKotamaa: Do you have enough disk space to dd the whole device? If yes, make a complete copy, then you can run recovery tools on the image. |
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| 11:15.01 | TuomasKotamaa | SynrGy: "1+0 records in 1+0 records out 512 bytes (512 B) copied, 0.000933848 s, 548 kB/s /dev/stdin data" |
| 11:15.02 | SynrGy | TuomasKotamaa: does fdisk -l /dev/sdd at least tell you the sector size? |
| 11:15.17 | TuomasKotamaa | petn-randall: I have a dd-copy ready. |
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| 11:15.54 | SynrGy | TuomasKotamaa: the idea, which i have not yet finished pursuing, is that by skipping the first sector, we land at the first partition |
| 11:16.10 | SynrGy | TuomasKotamaa: but the default sector size 512 doesn't work because that's not the actual geometry |
| 11:16.23 | TuomasKotamaa | SynrGy: Yes, sector size is 512 bytes |
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| 11:16.45 | Agiofws | SynrGy: root@P4:/etc# cd X11/X |
| 11:16.46 | Agiofws | Xreset.d/ Xresources/ Xsession.d/ |
| 11:16.47 | SynrGy | TuomasKotamaa: you didn't do the skip! |
| 11:17.06 | SynrGy | 08:12 < SynrGy> TuomasKotamaa: what about dd if=/dev/sdb skip=1 count=1 | file - |
| 11:17.23 | SynrGy | TuomasKotamaa: no wonder it wasn't telling us anything new |
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| 11:17.49 | TuomasKotamaa | SynrGy: Out put of 'dd if=/dev/sdb skip=1 count=1 | file -' is: "1+0 records in 1+0 records out 512 bytes (512 B) copied, 0.000933848 s, 548 kB/s /dev/stdin data" |
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| 11:18.07 | Agiofws | SynrGy: i don't have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ |
| 11:18.09 | SynrGy | 'data', hm? sigh |
| 11:18.17 | SynrGy | oh well, it was worth a shot |
| 11:18.25 | petn-randall | TuomasKotamaa: Of the complete disk? If yes, you can run something like foremost, magicrescue, sleuthkit, etc. on it. |
| 11:18.25 | Agiofws | reboot? |
| 11:18.26 | SynrGy | i had hoped it would find a filesystem there. |
| 11:18.35 | SynrGy | that's all for my ideas :) |
| 11:18.37 | SynrGy | good luck |
| 11:18.41 | Agiofws | !nvidia dkms |
| 11:18.41 | dpkg | For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. |
| 11:18.43 | SynrGy | Agiofws: ok. was just making sure |
| 11:19.00 | Agiofws | ok reboot with nomodeset? |
| 11:19.06 | SynrGy | Agiofws: the problem with that set of instructions for legacy is nvidia-kernel-dkms is not the right package name |
| 11:19.19 | SynrGy | Agiofws: as discussed earlier, nomodeset is useless here |
| 11:19.44 | Agiofws | so should i remove the line in default grub? |
| 11:19.50 | SynrGy | it's harmless |
| 11:20.13 | SynrGy | you can clean it up once you get things working |
| 11:20.17 | SynrGy | i gotta scram. heading to work |
| 11:20.18 | SynrGy | good luck |
| 11:20.39 | Agiofws | SynrGy: tell me how on earth does lightDM DISPLAY and gdm3 not as well as gnome... it can't be a nvidia problem then right? |
| 11:20.57 | Agiofws | can it ? |
| 11:21.05 | TuomasKotamaa | petn-randall: *Please hold* - attempting Foremost. |
| 11:21.42 | KaffeeJunky123 | Heya, Debian wheezy used to have a deadkey keyboard layout for german keyboards with ~ as a deadkey, in Jessie I can't find it anymore |
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| 11:22.04 | KaffeeJunky123 | it's kinda inconvient to not have it when I'm writing spanish |
| 11:22.30 | petn-randall | TuomasKotamaa: What files are you trying to recover? |
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| 11:22.57 | TuomasKotamaa | petn-randall: text-files |
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| 11:29.51 | TuomasKotamaa | petn-randall: This might take a while. |
| 11:29.58 | lift | Anyone have any experience with bcache? Can it be attached to an existing block device? |
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| 11:33.50 | petn-randall | TuomasKotamaa: Yeah, it's not a fast process. |
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| 11:38.39 | TuomasKotamaa | petn-randall: It found a bunch of 'stuff'. But now what? |
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| 11:42.09 | Chetic | should the folder holding the control-file when building a .deb package be DEBIAN or debian? |
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| 11:42.31 | Chetic | the hello package uses debian but dpkg-build looks for DEBIAN/control |
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| 11:48.42 | petn-randall | TuomasKotamaa: Is there the file you were looking for? |
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| 11:51.24 | TuomasKotamaa | petn-randall: I don't know what to make of the output, so I'm giving it another try - now it should write what it finds into a folder. |
| 11:52.01 | petn-randall | TuomasKotamaa: Yeah, it's good if you check the man page for the options, I don't really remember them. |
| 11:52.53 | petn-randall | TuomasKotamaa: Do you remember if you had the NTFS on a partition or on the block device? You could try to recover the filesystem, then at least you could navigate it and try to find the lost files. |
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| 11:54.41 | TuomasKotamaa | petn-randall: The NTFS has been created with Gparted to be the primary partition on the device. |
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| 11:55.42 | petn-randall | TuomasKotamaa: Do you know what happened that caused it to disappear? |
| 11:55.45 | TuomasKotamaa | petn-randall: I mean the only partition... |
| 11:56.02 | TuomasKotamaa | petn-randall: Electrical storm happened. |
| 11:56.33 | TuomasKotamaa | petn-randall: Thunder, rain, and a reboot. |
| 11:57.02 | jelly | Chetic: are you talking about dpkg-buildpackage? |
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| 12:00.47 | TuomasKotamaa | petn-randall: Foremost hasn't found any text files... |
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| 12:01.52 | qqz | how can I install debian from another Linux system that has already been booted into the GUI |
| 12:02.14 | qqz | I tried to unpack initrd and invoke /sbin/debian-installer manually but that did not work |
| 12:02.30 | Chetic | jelly: dpkg-deb --build <folder name> |
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| 12:03.37 | qqz | The problem is that the BIOS of my computer does not succeed to boot from CD-Rom. |
| 12:03.56 | qqz | and I wanna/need to install Debian from CD-rom |
| 12:04.32 | qqz | I could use debbootstrap but then I would have to install the boot-loader on my own |
| 12:04.43 | qqz | having no experience with UEFI - systems |
| 12:05.10 | qqz | isn`t there a simple way to invoke the debian installer as an executable / from a chroot env |
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| 12:09.57 | adam_____ | hi, where can i get debian simple cd or dvd? i mean i can't find a single dvd download. all have big sizes??? |
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| 12:10.42 | epsilon | get netinstall cd |
| 12:10.43 | ompaul | !install |
| 12:10.43 | dpkg | There are a myriad of different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images and ask me about <netinst>, <various cd1> and <firmware images>. See also <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
| 12:10.45 | oirogerio | hello, can anyone help me with a critical issue POSSIBLY a firmware/bootlevel rootkit ? |
| 12:10.46 | adam_____ | is there no debian like of the size of ubuntu |
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| 12:11.09 | ompaul | adam_____: there are much smaller ones |
| 12:11.28 | ompaul | just be connected to the internet at the time of install and away you go |
| 12:11.50 | epsilon | dunno whats image size of ubuntu? we dont use it |
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| 12:11.58 | adam_____ | ompaul: i am looking for a normal sized debian dvd, to install it alone in my desktop pc for daily normal/home use |
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| 12:12.53 | adam_____ | can you give me a link to it? i'm not able to find, m goin to try it first time |
| 12:13.47 | epsilon | debia.org, there should be a short link on left top of page |
| 12:14.20 | epsilon | get debian or download debian something |
| 12:14.32 | oirogerio | here is dmesg | grep fail output http://paste.linuxmint.com/view/lzyk |
| 12:14.41 | metallic | Please, can someone type my name? I want to see whether my sound command works :) |
| 12:15.29 | ompaul | adam_____: you can pick CD 1 |
| 12:15.32 | ompaul | and work from that |
| 12:15.42 | ompaul | metallic: who knows |
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| 12:15.54 | adam_____ | only CD 1 ? other cds are not required? |
| 12:15.58 | metallic | ... It doesn't work :'( |
| 12:16.01 | metallic | thanks ompaul |
| 12:16.31 | ompaul | adam_____: you can isntall from one and use the internet to install as many or few packages as you want |
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| 12:17.10 | oirogerio | can anyone help me to sort what is happening? |
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| 12:18.25 | adam_____ | ompaul: i wannt cinnamon debian, if i download this DVD 1 from this link, will i get choice of having cinnamon desktop? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/ |
| 12:19.12 | adam_____ | ompaul: sorry from this link http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.0.0/amd64/iso-dvd/ |
| 12:19.28 | adam_____ | confusing |
| 12:19.33 | no_maam | Hi, just a quick question for those running unstable with evolution |
| 12:19.51 | no_maam | can you try to connect to mail.datenzone.de:993 using imap-ssl |
| 12:19.58 | no_maam | just an arbitrary username and password |
| 12:20.08 | ompaul | adam_____: no idea, you can install it later with anything |
| 12:20.21 | no_maam | I get a tls error there, it's my server, but I just get bad record mac for imap-ssl/tls connections |
| 12:20.36 | ompaul | adam_____: and that's it from me you asked about installing, I'm going to say install use the net install, and add packages later |
| 12:20.42 | fennesz | c |
| 12:20.46 | adam_____ | ompaul: is live iso also can be installed on hard drive? |
| 12:20.53 | ompaul | adam_____: no idea |
| 12:21.14 | adam_____ | ompaul: ok thank you :) |
| 12:21.30 | no_maam | the strange thing is, sending mail using evolution works for the same server, and the smtp ssl server on the site is using the same certificate and is running on the same system as the imap server, so openssl versions are shared |
| 12:21.50 | adam_____ | i think i'm going to download live .iso to install it, then i'll add more packages from it, |
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| 12:23.05 | agiofws | NVRM: supported through the NVIDIA 173.14.xx Legacy drivers. Please |
| 12:23.05 | agiofws | NVRM: visit http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html for more |
| 12:23.07 | agiofws | NVRM: information. The 304.125 NVIDIA driver will ignore |
| 12:23.10 | agiofws | NVRM: this GPU. Continuing probe... |
| 12:23.26 | ompaul | !paste |
| 12:23.26 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 12:23.27 | agiofws | can someone help me with that message ? |
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| 12:23.40 | ompaul | !nvidia |
| 12:23.41 | dpkg | Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia dkms>, <nvidia legacy>; installing this directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net. |
| 12:24.19 | agiofws | i do nat have gui i'm only in terminal mode |
| 12:24.33 | agiofws | so browsing and seraching on the net is limited |
| 12:24.34 | KaffeeJunky123 | agiofws: use a text browser |
| 12:24.39 | agiofws | i am |
| 12:24.45 | KaffeeJunky123 | it's not limited at all |
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| 12:24.58 | bazhang | ,v lynx |
| 12:24.59 | judd | Package: lynx on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.8.8dev.5-1; wheezy: 2.8.8dev.12-2; jessie: 2.8.9dev1-2; stretch: 2.8.9dev6-3; sid: 2.8.9dev6-3 |
| 12:25.26 | agiofws | does jessie support NVRM: supported through the NVIDIA 173.14.xx Legacy drivers. ? |
| 12:25.31 | agiofws | and how do i install it ? |
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| 12:25.42 | KaffeeJunky123 | install the nvidia-legacy-dkms package |
| 12:25.48 | jelly | Chetic: ah. dpkg-deb is a low-level tool to pack and unpack .deb binary packages. Building from source is actually done with dpkg-buildpackage. |
| 12:25.56 | agiofws | KaffeeJunky123: have you ever tried to browse nvdias site with lynx? |
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| 12:26.41 | KaffeeJunky123 | agiofws: why would you browse nvidias site? |
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| 12:27.09 | KaffeeJunky123 | agiofws: all the information you need is available at https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers?action=show&redirect=nvidia |
| 12:27.10 | agiofws | to download the proper binary for my vga card jessie does not support old cards |
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| 12:27.26 | agiofws | jes but i want jessie not wheezy |
| 12:27.56 | agiofws | NV36 [GeForce FX 5700LE] |
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| 12:28.55 | agiofws | what should i do |
| 12:29.17 | jelly | agiofws: did you try removing the closed driver and using nouveau? |
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| 12:29.33 | KaffeeJunky123 | agiofws: nvidia-legacy-304xx-kernel-dkms is the package you need |
| 12:29.39 | KaffeeJunky123 | agiofws: your card is supported |
| 12:29.48 | jelly | ,v nvidia-legacy-304xx-kernel-dkms |
| 12:29.49 | judd | Package: nvidia-legacy-304xx-kernel-dkms on amd64 -- wheezy-backports/non-free: 304.125-1~bpo70+1; stretch/non-free: 304.125-1; sid/non-free: 304.125-1; jessie/non-free: 304.125-1 |
| 12:30.11 | agiofws | so why do i get that message in dmesg then |
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| 12:30.36 | agiofws | KaffeeJunky123: ok how do i install it on jessie? |
| 12:31.07 | agiofws | !nvidia dkms |
| 12:31.07 | dpkg | For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. |
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| 12:31.33 | jelly | agiofws: presumably except replace nvidia-kernel-dkms with nvidia-legacy-304xx-kernel-dkms |
| 12:31.38 | andreas__ | hi, can someone explain why this init.d function starts four instances of my daemon? http://pastebin.com/4t5SnUpP |
| 12:31.40 | agiofws | ok |
| 12:31.54 | KaffeeJunky123 | agiofws: first we need to know what you changed from the default jessie installation |
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| 12:33.31 | agiofws | KaffeeJunky123: just a sec |
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| 12:34.11 | Chetic | jelly: that makes good sense to me now but how on earth was I to know that? |
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| 12:34.19 | agiofws | KaffeeJunky123: first i did this pt-get purge nvidia-kernel-dkms nvidia-glx nvidia-settings nvidia-xconfig |
| 12:34.24 | agiofws | then i did this |
| 12:34.41 | agiofws | install dkms linux-headers-$(uname -r) nvidia-legacy-304xx-kernel-dkms nvidia-settings-legacy-304xx nvidia-xconfig |
| 12:34.44 | KaffeeJunky123 | uh |
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| 12:35.02 | agiofws | nothing worked though |
| 12:35.04 | KaffeeJunky123 | those packages shouldn't be installed with the default installation at all |
| 12:35.07 | jelly | Chetic: ah, probably by reading New Maintainer's Guide |
| 12:35.12 | jelly | dpkg, tell Chetic about nmg |
| 12:35.26 | agiofws | then i set my login manager to lightdm which DID give me a login in screen |
| 12:35.31 | agiofws | i logged in |
| 12:35.53 | KaffeeJunky123 | agiofws: nothing worked is a very innacurate description of what failed |
| 12:35.55 | agiofws | but gnome says an error has occured and can't recover |
| 12:36.11 | agiofws | i meant i could get a GUI |
| 12:36.30 | agiofws | my first problem upgrading from wheezy to jessie |
| 12:36.43 | agiofws | could'nt* |
| 12:36.51 | KaffeeJunky123 | gnome3 needs hardware acceleration, if composting is enable for gdm3 you won't even get to the login scren |
| 12:37.08 | agiofws | thats why lightdm worked then |
| 12:37.33 | agiofws | and not gdm3 or gnome BUT i was trying to login to gnome flashback |
| 12:37.37 | KaffeeJunky123 | agiofws: did you clean up things after upgrading to jessie or are you still stuck with outdated packages and broken deps? |
| 12:37.39 | agiofws | not gnome3 |
| 12:37.45 | TuomasKotamaa | petn-randall: I tried Sleuthkit with Autopsy and found the files! |
| 12:38.04 | agiofws | KaffeeJunky123: the upgrade did not complain about anything |
| 12:38.16 | agiofws | or anything broken as i seem to rember |
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| 12:38.28 | agiofws | do you mean my autoremove? |
| 12:38.33 | agiofws | i think i ran it |
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| 12:39.38 | agiofws | what should i try? |
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| 12:41.51 | KaffeeJunky123 | agiofws: just try to run autoremove again to see if you did run it |
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| 12:42.12 | thesigna1 | hi, i'm using debian sid and i updated some minutes ago. now wget isn't working anymore, also blender won't launch. both crash with SIGSEGVs and dmesg dumps an error in libnettle.so, is there a workaround already or is this unreported? |
| 12:42.42 | thesigna1 | google didn't give me anything |
| 12:42.49 | KaffeeJunky123 | agiofws: it wont do a thing if you already ran it, afterwards you can run "apt-get purge $(dpkg -l | awk '/^rc/ { print $2 }') " to get rid of old configs |
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| 12:43.51 | KaffeeJunky123 | agiofws: then purge the nvidia binary driver and try nouveau instead, if you don't need intense hw acceleration it should work for you |
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| 12:45.23 | agiofws | KaffeeJunky123: so !nvidia dkms is not an option because that command tries to black list it and i'm on a 32bit machine |
| 12:46.05 | darxmurf | where is the iceweasel cache folder by default ? |
| 12:47.42 | KaffeeJunky123 | agiofws: I don't get what you're trying to say nvidia dkms is not a command and "it" doesn't have any context in your sentence. try to phrase more accurately |
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| 12:49.34 | agiofws | KaffeeJunky123: do you see this |
| 12:49.41 | agiofws | !dkms nvidia |
| 12:49.52 | KaffeeJunky123 | darxmurf: ~/.cache/mozilla/firefox/*.default/ |
| 12:49.56 | agiofws | !nvidia dkms |
| 12:49.56 | dpkg | For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. |
| 12:50.04 | agiofws | KaffeeJunky123: ^^ |
| 12:50.05 | agiofws | ? |
| 12:51.05 | KaffeeJunky123 | agiofws: so that's how you tried to install the binary driver? |
| 12:51.30 | agiofws | no i told what i did... |
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| 12:52.07 | agiofws | KaffeeJunky123: first i did this pt-get purge nvidia-kernel-dkms nvidia-glx nvidia-settings nvidia-xconfig |
| 12:52.12 | agiofws | and then |
| 12:52.22 | agiofws | then i did this |
| 12:52.32 | agiofws | install dkms linux-headers-$(uname -r) nvidia-legacy-304xx-kernel-dkms nvidia-settings-legacy-304xx nvidia-xconfig |
| 12:52.37 | KaffeeJunky123 | agiofws: so you had those installed after upgrading from wheezy to jessie? |
| 12:53.06 | agiofws | yes i did probably i found those instructions on a site |
| 12:53.52 | KaffeeJunky123 | agiofws: Don't follow instructions you found "on a site" |
| 12:54.24 | agiofws | wasa debian forum i think i don't have the link now but it did not work for my card |
| 12:54.30 | KaffeeJunky123 | for now just get rid of the binary packages |
| 12:54.36 | KaffeeJunky123 | and install nouveau |
| 12:54.37 | agiofws | should i go with !nvidia dkms? |
| 12:54.42 | KaffeeJunky123 | clear any xorg.config files |
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| 12:54.51 | agiofws | KaffeeJunky123: how ? |
| 12:55.11 | agiofws | do i get rid of binary packages what names ? |
| 12:55.18 | KaffeeJunky123 | agiofws: apt-get purge nvidia-legacy-304xx-kernel-dkms nvidia-settings-legacy-304xx nvidia-xconfig |
| 12:56.05 | agiofws | The following packages will be REMOVED: nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver* nvidia-legacy-304xx-kernel-dkms* |
| 12:56.08 | agiofws | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 2 to remove and 2 not upgraded. |
| 12:56.19 | KaffeeJunky123 | go ahead |
| 12:56.19 | agiofws | ok |
| 12:56.36 | agiofws | install nouveau? |
| 12:56.39 | KaffeeJunky123 | nouveau will automatically be used after restart |
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| 12:57.02 | KaffeeJunky123 | agiofws: xserver-xorg-video-nouveau should be installed |
| 12:57.29 | agiofws | update-alternatives: warning: forcing reinstallation of alternative /usr/lib/nvidia/legacy-304xx because link group nvidia is broken |
| 12:57.43 | agiofws | Processing triggers for glx-alternative-nvidia (0.5.1) ... |
| 12:57.47 | agiofws | update-alternatives: warning: forcing reinstallation of alternative /usr/lib/nvidia because link group glx is broken |
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| 12:58.12 | agiofws | KaffeeJunky123: Reading state information... Done |
| 12:58.13 | agiofws | xserver-xorg-video-nouveau is already the newest version. |
| 12:58.50 | agiofws | KaffeeJunky123: rm xorg.conf* |
| 12:58.52 | agiofws | ok |
| 12:58.55 | agiofws | reboot? |
| 12:58.58 | KaffeeJunky123 | agiofws: yes |
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| 13:02.58 | agiofws | KaffeeJunky123: i get a lightDM login screen but when itry to login i get " problem occured message" system uunable to recover and a logout button .... |
| 13:03.13 | agiofws | logs ? |
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| 13:03.26 | darxmurf | KaffeeJunky123: thanks ! |
| 13:03.49 | KaffeeJunky123 | agiofws: what desltop session are you trying to log into? |
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| 13:03.56 | agiofws | gnome |
| 13:04.17 | agiofws | and i tried previouslly gnome flashback |
| 13:04.23 | agiofws | instead of gnome3 |
| 13:05.06 | agiofws | where does gnome stire its log files? |
| 13:05.10 | agiofws | store? |
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| 13:05.47 | agiofws | probably gdm3 would not even get me to the login screen i bet |
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| 13:06.11 | Ticho | try /var/log/Xorg.*.log |
| 13:06.20 | agiofws | and why can't my vt terminals be in high res anymore... |
| 13:07.21 | bsdtux | agiofws I think if you append vga=<value> to your bootup it will adjust the size of your login terminals |
| 13:08.02 | bsdtux | try vga=792 |
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| 13:08.33 | ZenWalker | hi there |
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| 13:08.48 | agiofws | KaffeeJunky123: Ticho and bsdtux can you take a look at http://codepad.org/rCb2YBLl |
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| 13:08.50 | ZenWalker | why the kernel linux 4.0.4 for amd64 is missing? |
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| 13:09.18 | agiofws | bsdtux: can't image what messed it up |
| 13:09.24 | abrotman | ZenWalker: in which version of Debian? |
| 13:09.31 | ZenWalker | abrotman: sid |
| 13:09.44 | bsdtux | agiofws nv is the nvidia module. did you install that |
| 13:10.07 | jelly | ZenWalker: because it's sid and it failed to build |
| 13:10.22 | ZenWalker | jelly: ok, thanks |
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| 13:11.08 | Milosh | да ли ико говоÑи ÑÑпÑки? |
| 13:11.23 | jelly | Milosh: da, ali ovaj kanal je samo na engleskom |
| 13:11.43 | agiofws | i think i uninstalled everything that concerned nvidia i think |
| 13:12.11 | agiofws | bsdtux: where is menu.lst for grub ? |
| 13:12.46 | agiofws | jelly: can you take a look at http://codepad.org/rCb2YBLl |
| 13:12.58 | bsdtux | ok then if you uninstalled nvidia check that /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-blacklist.conf does not blacklist anything. also are you using jessie / sid / wheezy? |
| 13:13.05 | daniel-s_ | Hello |
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| 13:13.25 | agiofws | i'v upgraded to jessie and since i have no gui |
| 13:13.49 | abrotman | ZenWalker: that's the danger of using unstable. If you want things that work, use stable or maybe testing |
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| 13:14.14 | daniel-s_ | I noticed that Linux will cache writing to the USB, or other flash memory. So that there will be writing happening even though the UI behaves as if files are written. Is it possible to find out how much more data there is to write? |
| 13:14.24 | jelly | agiofws: pastebin the whole file please. |
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| 13:14.36 | daniel-s_ | I don't like to press "unmount" then have to wait patiently for a random amount of time before I can remove the USB device. |
| 13:15.12 | agiofws | bsdtux: http://codepad.org/2u226VbU |
| 13:15.46 | agiofws | i think thats impossible with low resolution and copy paste with no gui can i upload it or something ? |
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| 13:17.45 | jelly | !pastebinit |
| 13:17.45 | dpkg | pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" users, you must "pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net" or configure pastebinit to use something other than pastebin.com. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>. |
| 13:18.16 | jelly | agiofws: ^^ |
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| 13:20.46 | agiofws | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/196942/ thank you |
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| 13:23.33 | ZenWalker | abrotman: yes, kernel sid is dangerous xD |
| 13:23.56 | KaffeeJunky123 | agiofws: it's still trying to load the nvidia binary driver |
| 13:24.07 | agiofws_ | jelly: /etc/init.d/lightdm stop |
| 13:24.08 | agiofws_ | [ ok ] Stopping lightdm (via systemctl): lightdm.service. |
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| 13:25.14 | agiofws_ | how do i un ghost my nick? |
| 13:25.51 | bsdtux | KaffeeJunky123 would it be best if he moves all nvidia files from /etc/modprobe.d to /root then reinstall the nouveau driver then reboot. Just to get him into a graphical env |
| 13:27.14 | jelly | agiofws_: what are you trying to do now, use legacy 304, or use nouveau? |
| 13:27.24 | agiofws_ | i don't know |
| 13:27.26 | bsdtux | I had a similar issue last night on my laptop and all I did was remove everything as stated above, then purged the nvidia-legacy-304xx-dkms then apt-get install nvidia-kernel-dkms then did an Xorg -configure and copied the xorg.conf.new to /etc/X11/xorg.conf and rebooted and everything worked |
| 13:27.31 | jelly | agiofws_: pick one |
| 13:27.47 | KaffeeJunky123 | bsdtux: with nouveau he shouldn't have any xorg.conf files at all |
| 13:27.55 | agiofws_ | i'll try nouveau ? |
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| 13:28.16 | jelly | agiofws_: alright, pastebin the output of... aptitude -F'%a%c%M %30p %10v %10d' search '~i ?source-package(nvidia-graphics-drivers-legacy-304xx) | ~nnouveau' |
| 13:28.21 | KaffeeJunky123 | agiofws_: you can think about moving to the binary driver when you've things working with nouveau |
| 13:28.47 | unborn | hey guys, does anyone know how to mount usb into home as an folder? |
| 13:28.50 | KaffeeJunky123 | agiofws_: there's something wrong with your current setup, so you should definitly sort that out first |
| 13:28.58 | agiofws_ | what? |
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| 13:29.20 | KaffeeJunky123 | do what jelly said for now ^ |
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| 13:30.34 | agiofws_ | jelly: KaffeeJunky123 http://paste.debian.net/196945/ |
| 13:30.54 | bsdtux | KafeeJunky123 correct. I had to create the xorg.conf file for after I restarted and installed the nvidia-kernel-dkms. |
| 13:30.57 | KaffeeJunky123 | agiofws_: I'd like you to pastebin the output of ls /etc/X11 ls /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ too |
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| 13:31.11 | bsdtux | nouveau always worked without an xorg.conf file |
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| 13:31.58 | agiofws_ | KaffeeJunky123: jelly http://paste.debian.net/196947/ |
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| 13:32.20 | agiofws_ | etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/: No such file or directory |
| 13:32.22 | jelly | agiofws_: righto, purge the 304xx stuff for the time being, apt-get purge libgl1-nvidia-legacy-304xx-glx nvidia-legacy-304xx-alternative xserver-xorg-video-nvidia-legacy-304xx |
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| 13:32.45 | KaffeeJunky123 | agiofws_: restart after you've purged those packages |
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| 13:34.03 | agiofws_ | KaffeeJunky123: jelly After this operation, 50.1 MB disk space will be freed. |
| 13:34.05 | agiofws_ | ok done |
| 13:34.11 | agiofws_ | reboot? |
| 13:34.20 | KaffeeJunky123 | yes |
| 13:34.29 | jelly | agiofws_: before reboot... |
| 13:34.33 | agiofws_ | where do i issue vga in grub for a better resolution in cmline more? |
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| 13:34.51 | jelly | agiofws_: make sure there's no blacklist nouveau anywhere in /etc/modprobe.d/* |
| 13:34.52 | agiofws_ | cmdline mode* |
| 13:34.57 | agiofws_ | ok wait |
| 13:35.28 | KaffeeJunky123 | jelly: the purge should've purged that :) |
| 13:35.30 | jelly | if nouveau kernel part is brought up at boot it should set up a graphical framebuffer for the console |
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| 13:35.38 | KaffeeJunky123 | better safe then sorry thou |
| 13:35.57 | agiofws_ | jelly: KaffeeJunky123 ls /etc/modprobe.d/* | pastebinit |
| 13:35.58 | agiofws_ | http://paste.debian.net/196958/ |
| 13:36.26 | jelly | agiofws_: grep the contents of those files for nouveau. |
| 13:38.05 | agiofws_ | jelly: root@P4:/etc/modprobe.d# grep -i 'nouveau' * |
| 13:38.06 | agiofws_ | nvidia-blacklists-nouveau.conf:blacklist nouveau |
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| 13:38.20 | KaffeeJunky123 | agiofws_: remove all the config files with nvidia in their names |
| 13:38.56 | agiofws_ | in modprobe directory? |
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| 13:39.01 | KaffeeJunky123 | yes |
| 13:39.11 | KaffeeJunky123 | they're config files belonging to the binary driver |
| 13:39.19 | KaffeeJunky123 | you don't need any of those with nouveau |
| 13:39.31 | KaffeeJunky123 | they'll be recreated if you ever switch to the binary driver |
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| 13:39.52 | agiofws_ | KaffeeJunky123: /etc/modprobe.d# mv nvidia* \~blacklist/ ? |
| 13:40.18 | jelly | agiofws_: hmm. what does dpkg -S /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia* say ? |
| 13:40.21 | agiofws_ | ls |
| 13:40.22 | agiofws_ | ~blacklist dkms.conf fbdev-blacklist.conf modesetting.conf radeon-kms.conf |
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| 13:40.59 | jelly | KaffeeJunky123: not sure they'll get recreated if they're conffiles of non-purged packages |
| 13:41.36 | agiofws_ | jelly: ls |
| 13:41.37 | agiofws_ | dkms.conf fbdev-blacklist.conf modesetting.conf radeon-kms.conf |
| 13:42.31 | jelly | too late now |
| 13:42.46 | agiofws_ | jelly: it says |
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| 13:43.05 | agiofws_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:43.26 | agiofws_ | ok now reboot ? |
| 13:43.30 | jelly | yeah |
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| 13:47.41 | agiofws | ok again lightdm worked but up to that .... could not load gnome |
| 13:48.05 | Agiofws | what now? |
| 13:48.07 | Agiofws | logs? |
| 13:48.21 | Agiofws | should i stop lighdm from init.d? |
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| 13:49.39 | Agiofws | jelly: cat Xorg.0.log | pastebinit |
| 13:49.40 | Agiofws | http://paste.debian.net/196963/ |
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| 13:49.59 | Agiofws | KaffeeJunky123: http://paste.debian.net/196963/ |
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| 13:50.48 | KaffeeJunky123 | Agiofws: do you have gdm3 installed? |
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| 13:51.33 | Agiofws | KaffeeJunky123: but its not default login manager |
| 13:51.38 | Agiofws | KaffeeJunky123: gdm3 is already the newest version. |
| 13:51.45 | KaffeeJunky123 | anways, there's still leftovers from the nvidia binary drivers... |
| 13:51.52 | Agiofws | should i stop lightdm and start gdm? |
| 13:51.56 | KaffeeJunky123 | now it's the glx library of the 340 nvidia driver |
| 13:52.04 | Agiofws | ok purge? |
| 13:52.05 | jelly | wtf |
| 13:52.26 | KaffeeJunky123 | aptitude search ~invidia |
| 13:52.38 | Agiofws | with the i infront? |
| 13:52.42 | KaffeeJunky123 | yes |
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| 13:52.56 | KaffeeJunky123 | it searches for all installed packages with nvidia in its name |
| 13:53.06 | jelly | Agiofws: just aptitude purge '~i ?source-package(nvidia-graphics-drivers-legacy-304xx) | ?source-package(nvidia-graphics-drivers)' |
| 13:53.13 | Agiofws | KaffeeJunky123: jelly http://paste.debian.net/196964/ |
| 13:54.03 | Agiofws | After unpacking 99.5 MB will be freed. |
| 13:54.15 | Agiofws | The following packages have unmet dependencies: nvidia-settings : Depends: nvidia-alternative but it is not going to be installed. |
| 13:54.37 | KaffeeJunky123 | it'll suggest you to remove it as well |
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| 13:54.41 | Agiofws | nvidia-settings : Depends: nvidia-alternative but it is not going to be installed. |
| 13:54.44 | Agiofws | The following actions will resolve these dependencies: |
| 13:54.55 | KaffeeJunky123 | you don't need to paste the whole thing here |
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| 13:55.14 | Agiofws | it is asking me fro 3 options KaffeeJunky123 |
| 13:55.18 | Agiofws | for |
| 13:55.27 | SixtyFold | anyone been having bluetooth problems with debian jessie? |
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| 13:55.34 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:55.36 | Agiofws | 1) nvidia-settings |
| 13:55.36 | SixtyFold | it recognizes my keyboard but wont pair with it |
| 13:55.37 | jelly | Agiofws: paste it to a pastebin, use screen or two consoles, and let it remove everything |
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| 13:57.09 | jelly | Agiofws: you can install "gpm" if you need copy/paste with mouse on the console |
| 13:57.40 | Agiofws | i haave gpm |
| 13:57.44 | Agiofws | jelly: Link: http://codepad.org/KGXtf5Oc |
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| 13:58.13 | Agiofws | remove? |
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| 13:59.14 | Agiofws | option 1 ? |
| 13:59.19 | wimpog | How can I find out the version of the mysql server that comes standard on Debian 7? |
| 13:59.42 | pipl | Hi does anybody know what those debian wheezy 7.8 update dvds are for ? They don't include any packages from debian security repo. And they have more packages than those updated packages listed in debian-stable-announce mailling list for wheezy 7.8. |
| 14:00.17 | jelly | Agiofws: these are not options. both 1, 2 and 3 will be accepted if you say y(es) |
| 14:00.25 | Agiofws | ok |
| 14:00.27 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:01.26 | Agiofws | jelly: update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-3.16.0-4-686-pae |
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| 14:01.56 | Agiofws | ok done |
| 14:01.59 | Agiofws | reboot? |
| 14:02.05 | TuomasKotamaa | Hello, I lost an usb-stick due to electrical storm. I've managed to recover the files using Sleuthkit, but some files are corrupted - they are text files and now nonsensical. Any ideas what to do now? |
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| 14:03.08 | cyphix | Hi! I'm using debian jessie with gnome, and I would like to launch the command 'xmodmap ~/.xmodmap' at startup. I tried to put it in ~/.profile, I created a ~/.xsession as well as a ~/.xinitrc, none of them work. Could someone tell me where I should put it? |
| 14:03.11 | Agiofws | jelly: should i reboot now? |
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| 14:03.22 | jelly | TuomasKotamaa: nothing more to be done from Debian's side. Consult a professional data recovery service. |
| 14:03.27 | jelly | Agiofws: yes |
| 14:03.33 | chele | ~/.bashrc |
| 14:03.41 | apt | ~/.bashrc is where you put all your aliases and functions. It's read at start-up time by all interactive non-login shells (e.g. xterm). To make sure it's read by a login shell (e.g. console or sshd), put "source ~/.bashrc" at the end of ~/.bash_profile |
| 14:04.24 | cyphix | apt: Isn't it valide just for the bash? Will it work for any gui programm as well? |
| 14:04.25 | pipl | wimpog: apt-cache show mysql-server |
| 14:04.36 | Walex2 | cyphix: '~/.xsession' is the right place. If "it doesnt work" then you have setup something that runs later that overrides it. |
| 14:05.22 | Walex2 | cyphix: chele: using '~.bashrc' for setup and especially X setup is very wrong and will have bad side effects. |
| 14:06.11 | jelly | cyphix: apt is just a bot |
| 14:06.16 | chele | care to elaborate? |
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| 14:07.01 | cyphix | jelly: Oh... |
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| 14:08.03 | cyphix | Walex2: That might be the explanation then. But I don't think I did anything to override the xmodmap preferences. Any place I should look at? |
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| 14:08.44 | cyphix | Walex2: And is it normal that the .xsession did not exist initially? |
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| 14:09.17 | cypherman | hi people |
| 14:09.25 | cypherman | i desperate need help with a RAID system |
| 14:09.29 | byaweb | hi cypherman |
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| 14:09.38 | cypherman | hi byaweb |
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| 14:09.54 | byaweb | what is your problem then |
| 14:10.01 | cypherman | my RAID went unconfigured and i did a dd copy of one of the RAID disks |
| 14:10.03 | pipl | cyphix: perhaps your desktop environment gnome has done something to it. Try a window manager and see how it goes. |
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| 14:10.16 | cypherman | then i created the RAID in the BIOS again, so it formatted all content |
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| 14:10.39 | cypherman | and then dd the extracted image into the new RAID |
| 14:10.56 | cypherman | my RAID /dev/md124 |
| 14:11.05 | cypherman | it has 2 members sda and adb |
| 14:11.14 | cypherman | but the system boots up mounting /dev/sda |
| 14:11.53 | Walex2 | cyphix: most likely GNOME startup overrides your keyboard setup, and yes the default '~/.xsession' is not needed.# |
| 14:11.59 | cypherman | any ideas? |
| 14:12.24 | frostschutz | cypherman, mdadm --detail /dev/md*, mdadm --examine /dev/sd*? |
| 14:13.10 | frostschutz | cypherman, md raid and bios raid are different things. is it a dual boot system with windows, or a hardware raid controller card? |
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| 14:14.57 | cypherman | frostschutz: is a Lenovo ThinkServer TS140, XEON cpu with BIOS RAID |
| 14:15.03 | cyphix | Walex2: Ok, I just saw that inside the /etc/gdm3/Xsession, there was already 'usermodmap="$HOME/.Xmodmap', so I guess it is overwritten indeed. Any idea about what could interfere? |
| 14:15.08 | cypherman | but it supposed to debian start it up right? |
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| 14:15.40 | cypherman | gparted shows system partition mounted as /dev/sda2 not /dev/md124p2 |
| 14:16.42 | cypherman | frostschutz: the OS RAID detail says Raid Devices 2, Total Devices 1 |
| 14:17.15 | cypherman | i have a scientific data archive which is another RAID md126 (i think i misnamed it before as md125) |
| 14:17.34 | cypherman | that data RAID says Raid Devices 2, Total Devices 2 sounds ok |
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| 14:20.10 | cypherman | frostschutz: can i add RAID devices to mdadm.conf and reboot the machine? something like that? or edit grub to styart from /md124? |
| 14:20.30 | Agiofws | jelly, KaffeeJunky123 http://imgur.com/4uklNrY |
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| 14:21.02 | SixtyFold | hahah |
| 14:21.21 | SixtyFold | i connected it somehow in the console using KDE bluetooth instead of gnome even though im in mate, whatever, worked |
| 14:21.24 | SixtyFold | interesting |
| 14:21.25 | SixtyFold | haha |
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| 14:22.03 | SixtyFold | that was a real pain, im glad i didnt give up and do something lame like just go get another distro, haha |
| 14:22.05 | SixtyFold | brb |
| 14:22.19 | Agiofws | jelly, KaffeeJunky123 it worked so basically what did we do ? |
| 14:22.22 | Agiofws | :) |
| 14:22.32 | KaffeeJunky123 | Agiofws: we got rid of the bogous nvidia binary stuff |
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| 14:22.57 | Agiofws | why was it so difficult to get rid of it? |
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| 14:23.17 | KaffeeJunky123 | Messed up installation |
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| 14:23.41 | Agiofws | so there were conflicts between vga drivers? |
| 14:23.57 | cypherman | frostschutz: is only a debian system, it has 2 raid (4 disks in mirror mode) |
| 14:24.33 | Agiofws | how do i reconfigure gdm3 as default login manager? |
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| 14:25.21 | hek | hello i have a logitech webcam and also a soundblaster xfi pro usb sound card. is there a proprietary driver repo for debian i can use maybe? |
| 14:25.24 | frostschutz | cypherman, pastebin output of the mdadm commands I posted above? |
| 14:25.29 | KaffeeJunky123 | Agiofws: dpkg-reconfigure gdm3 as root |
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| 14:26.38 | hek | my devices dont work the only thing i can do on my sound card is blink the led |
| 14:26.53 | hek | and my webcam mic doesnt work at all |
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| 14:28.03 | Agiofws | hmm no suspend button |
| 14:28.18 | cypherman | frostschutz: 1 sec |
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| 14:28.55 | Brigo | hek, for the usb soundblaster you can try something like this: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1193063.html |
| 14:28.58 | cypherman | frostschutz: https://paste.debian.net/197136/ |
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| 14:29.13 | hek | ok brigo thanks |
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| 14:29.59 | cypherman | frostschutz: https://paste.debian.net/197137/ |
| 14:30.05 | shay_shay | Brigo: that's for Ubuntu 8.04... I think it may not be relevant anymore |
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| 14:30.31 | cypherman | the system is supposed to boot up in md124 and mount md126 as data archive |
| 14:30.32 | bh28 | Hey guys I am setting up a home NAS on a kvm hypervisor, how can I set up full hdd passthrough to the NAS including SMART data/spin up-down commands etc? |
| 14:30.43 | shay_shay | !tell hek about non-free sources |
| 14:30.56 | Brigo | shay_shay, it just configure pulseaudio to run as daemon at start and to listen to network inputs. |
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| 14:34.51 | wimpog | Where can I get a list of packages for Debian 7? |
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| 14:35.48 | Agiofws | KaffeeJunky123, jelly i set gdm3 as default login manager and it would not load so no gui after that i stopped gmd3 and started lightdm and set it as default and got a gui back just mentioning it... |
| 14:36.22 | frostschutz | cypherman, something is wrong with sda. unfortunately I'm not too familiar with intel fakeraid, you should consider switching to mdadm's native format if possible |
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| 14:36.57 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:37.10 | pipl | wimpog: packages.debian.org or 'apt-cache search <pkg>' |
| 14:37.49 | wimpog | pipl: Thanks! |
| 14:37.54 | cypherman | frostschutz: how to do that? |
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| 14:38.54 | cypherman | frostschutz: i think maybe after disasembling the RAID in the BIOS i was able to boot up, i think sda |
| 14:39.01 | cypherman | and made a apt-get install -f |
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| 14:39.19 | cypherman | so it may updated the grub... and set boot from sda? |
| 14:39.47 | cypherman | so then i took a dd image of the disk and throwed inside the reasembled RADI |
| 14:40.01 | cypherman | RAID, so it may thinks is still sda |
| 14:40.06 | cypherman | something like that |
| 14:41.08 | wimpog | pipl: Iâm looking at http://www.mysql.com/support/supportedplatforms/database.html and it says that MySQL 5.5 isnât supported on Debian 7, however, https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/mysql-server-5.5 lists MySQL 5.5. Why is it different on these two sites? |
| 14:41.11 | wimpog | g |
| 14:41.47 | frostschutz | cypherman, linux sees partitions on sda even though it should ignore those (because they're supposed to be partitions on /dev/mdXpY). so something went wrong there with sda. sdb looks fine. |
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| 14:42.50 | hek | bringo it worked |
| 14:42.59 | SixtyFold | anyone running mate in here with caja? |
| 14:43.17 | hek | but i didnt install everything that list said i just installed pulseaudio and pavucontrol |
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| 14:43.44 | cadams | after boot on kernel 4.0, usb keyboard stops working - works briefly if i unplug and plug back in |
| 14:43.52 | SixtyFold | it's a fresh install and im trying to use browse network to connect to another machine and it pops up, "Could not display "network:///". Caja cannot handle "network" locations. ? |
| 14:44.06 | hek | Brigo, ^^ |
| 14:44.57 | Brigo | hek, they should was already installed. |
| 14:45.19 | shay_shay | Brigo: ahem |
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| 14:50.16 | shay_shay | wimpog: mysql site is wrong, the last security update was April 17th (which is fairly recent) |
| 14:50.20 | hek | even my microphone works now Brigo but i still have the old audio setup when i put the volume icon in taskbar in xfce |
| 14:50.30 | shay_shay | wimpog: so it is supported |
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| 14:50.39 | wimpog | shay_shay: great! Thatâs what I want to know |
| 14:50.47 | hek | i just have to use pavucontrol i guess |
| 14:50.47 | wimpog | shay_shay: do you recommend debian 7 or centos 7? |
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| 14:51.22 | shay_shay | wimpog: I recommend debian ofc :) |
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| 14:51.46 | wimpog | shay_shay: great! |
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| 14:52.13 | shay_shay | wimpog: but... why wouldn't you update to jessie? you'll have to do less work back-porting things |
| 14:52.26 | SixtyFold | are the repos down right now? |
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| 14:52.35 | wimpog | shay_shay: because my hosting provider only offers centos 6,7 or debian 6,7 |
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| 14:52.50 | TyrfingMjolnir | I just did my first jessie install from scratch |
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| 14:53.23 | shay_shay | wimpog: ah... |
| 14:53.29 | wimpog | shay_shay: I understand that you like, debian more, but if I have to chose between centos7 or debian7, what makes more sense? |
| 14:53.37 | bstarek | wimpog, debian 7 is great |
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| 14:53.57 | shay_shay | wimpog: I used to use centos on my VPS and I feel like its easier to work on debian |
| 14:53.58 | bstarek | wimpog, and it will do the job........what are you going to perform on it? |
| 14:54.11 | wimpog | bstarek: shay_shay I need it as a database server |
| 14:54.36 | bstarek | shay_shay, i quit Centos when i started having MANY prblemes with resolving dependencies. |
| 14:54.37 | TyrfingMjolnir | What will it take yo make a an e option for desktop in the installer? |
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| 14:54.50 | SynrG | wimpog: what virtualization technology? can you upgrade your kernel on it, or are you stuck with the kernel of the underlying host? |
| 14:54.59 | bstarek | wimpog, will do the job without a prob |
| 14:55.03 | SynrG | wimpog: because i'd say if not stuck with their kernel, install 7 and upgrade to 8 |
| 14:55.35 | shay_shay | wimpog: OTOH if you wanted to "set it and forget it" and have it be supported for 10 years then cent would give you that... wheezy will be end of life much much sooner |
| 14:55.59 | wimpog | shay_shay: maybe not 10 years, but another 5-6 years for sure |
| 14:56.20 | SynrG | jessie will give you 5 with LTS |
| 14:56.58 | SynrG | ask your hosting provider if installing debian 7 and upgrading to 8 would work (particularly wrt. the kernel thing) |
| 14:56.59 | SixtyFold | how much longer is wheezy supported for? |
| 14:57.07 | SynrG | !lts |
| 14:57.07 | dpkg | Volunteer-provided security support for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" will continue until 2016-02-06 for a limited set of packages for i386 and amd64. An appropriate line for your sources.list is «deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ squeeze-lts main». See also the «check-support-status» command from the debian-security-support package and https://wiki.debian.org/LTS for more information. #debian-lts on irc.oftc.net. |
| 14:57.15 | bstarek | they both do the job...then its about personal feeling with the OS (love relation) |
| 14:57.23 | bstarek | =) |
| 14:57.31 | SixtyFold | that didnt answer for wheezy, haha |
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| 14:57.38 | SynrG | hmm. wheezy lts would be a couple of years from that |
| 14:57.46 | SynrG | SixtyFold: because it hasn't hit lts yet |
| 14:57.52 | SynrG | follow the wiki link |
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| 14:58.01 | SixtyFold | because jessie is giving me nothing but crap at the moment |
| 14:58.10 | shay_shay | may 2018 |
| 14:58.12 | SynrG | where it says "Debian 7 âWheezyâ from February 2016 to May 2018" |
| 14:58.25 | SixtyFold | thanks |
| 14:58.29 | wimpog | SixtyFold: Really? |
| 14:58.37 | SixtyFold | yah, weird little things |
| 14:58.43 | bstarek | SixtyFold, what do you mean |
| 14:58.48 | bstarek | explain |
| 14:58.48 | shay_shay | wimpog: wheezy is supported until may 2018 |
| 14:58.49 | wimpog | SixtyFold: is Wheezie LTS? |
| 14:58.54 | SixtyFold | all the things ive asked about the last so many minutes |
| 14:58.57 | wimpog | shay_shay: ohh |
| 15:00.01 | SuperTramp83 | I want to disable completely the tooltips on Xfce. I Tried the .gtkrc-2.0 file with "gtk-enable-tooltips = 0" but that didn't do the trick. I mean it disabled the tooltips of the desktop icons but not in the dock and the panel. Is there any way to disable them completely? |
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| 15:01.59 | wimpog | SynrG: shay_shay how difficult is it to upgrade 7 to 8? |
| 15:02.16 | TyrfingMjolnir | What will it take to add enlightenment to the installer? |
| 15:02.17 | g00se | Can someone tell me a good image-enabled pastebinit ? |
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| 15:03.19 | SynrG | wimpog: not very. |
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| 15:03.29 | SynrG | dpkg: tell wimpog about wheezy->jessie |
| 15:03.37 | wimpog | SynrG: easier than going from now version of centos to another? |
| 15:03.49 | wimpog | SynrG: say from el6 to el7? |
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| 15:04.09 | SynrG | wimpog: read the instructions dpkg bot sent you in a message window |
| 15:04.22 | SynrG | it's not terribly hard. especially on a fresh install |
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| 15:04.36 | SynrG | i can't compare it with other OS upgrades, as i don't do those. |
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| 15:06.11 | KaffeeJunky123 | SynrG: windows upgrades tend to mess up everything |
| 15:07.03 | g00se | has lost count of the times Windows Update has broken for ever |
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| 15:08.02 | SixtyFold | has anyone had sudo apt-get autoremove basically destroy their whole system? |
| 15:08.16 | themill | SixtyFold: no, I can read. |
| 15:08.40 | SixtyFold | themill: ive never had it pop up and tell me it didnt need things that it didnt actually not need before |
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| 15:09.13 | KaffeeJunky123 | apt-get autoremove will tell you that it'll destroy things before doing so |
| 15:09.28 | KaffeeJunky123 | if you say yes to that, it's definitly not apts fault |
| 15:09.48 | Agiofws | KaffeeJunky123, did you get my messages? about the setup not running with gdm3 as default? |
| 15:09.54 | SixtyFold | why are you defensive? im trying to figure out if i dont understand something |
| 15:10.00 | SixtyFold | i didnt say anything was apts fault |
| 15:10.28 | shay_shay | SixtyFold: maybe you removed a key metapackage? not defensive, just a guess :) |
| 15:10.28 | KaffeeJunky123 | Agiofws: you changed it to lightdm, so you've to reconfigure the gdm3 package |
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| 15:11.17 | Agiofws | yes i did reconfigure it but then the GUI did not load it seems that gdm3 needs 3d graphics... |
| 15:11.25 | SixtyFold | shay_shay: apt popped up and told me that there was a whole bunch of packages not in use anymore and i shoud sudo apt-get autoremove and so i did and it removed like everything, haha which ive never ever had happen before |
| 15:11.29 | petn-randall | SixtyFold: your whole intro was flamboyant, and conveyed little info (what was destroyed? what did it remove?), which is why you go the reactions in this channel. |
| 15:11.35 | KaffeeJunky123 | You can disable composting for gdm3 Agiofws |
| 15:11.42 | Agiofws | the only desktop that works for me now is gnome flashback |
| 15:11.52 | petn-randall | fallback? |
| 15:11.54 | Agiofws | how KaffeeJunky123 ? |
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| 15:12.18 | KaffeeJunky123 | In the config files for gdm3 |
| 15:12.38 | SixtyFold | petn-randall: it removed just about the enitre windows manager, granted, i wasn't paying attention, but ive never had it tell me it doesnt need integral parts of the entire system for no reason when it in fact did |
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| 15:14.03 | KaffeeJunky123 | Agiofws: but installing the mesa glx libs should also solve the issue |
| 15:14.06 | themill | they're not integral |
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| 15:14.38 | shay_shay | SixtyFold: in those rare cases you can simply apt-get install those packages, it will mark them manually installed |
| 15:14.46 | petn-randall | SixtyFold: You window manager is not integral. Your system will boot fine without it. And it *did* ask you if you want to remove it. |
| 15:14.47 | SixtyFold | ive never had apt tell me it didnt need parts of the system that were currently IN USE before, maybe i should have said that instead of integral |
| 15:15.19 | jelly | Agiofws: is libgl1-mesa-dri installed? |
| 15:15.20 | SixtyFold | im NOT BLAMING THE COMPUTER, i asked a question |
| 15:15.21 | themill | but apt has no idea what is in use or not (and it's fine to remove things that are running) |
| 15:15.35 | SixtyFold | good lord, stop defending the system, i fucked it up, but i dont know why, ive never had it do that before |
| 15:15.38 | SixtyFold | im trying to figure it out |
| 15:15.46 | themill | You've not actually asked a question. |
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| 15:16.07 | jelly | Agiofws: if not, install it and restart X (just gdm3 service, or the whole machine) |
| 15:16.13 | petn-randall | SixtyFold: You probably removed a package that pulled in all those dependencies. And since nothing else manually installed depended on those packages, they all got removed. |
| 15:16.15 | themill | (they question that you might want to ask, shay_shay answered 5 min ago) |
| 15:16.22 | SixtyFold | everytime before, ive done sudo apt-get autoremove, it only removes packages that are outdated and not being used by anything on the system at all |
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| 15:16.46 | SixtyFold | so i must not understand how that works, even though ive been doing it for 7 years without damaging anything, haha |
| 15:17.48 | SixtyFold | petn-randall: maybe, weird |
| 15:18.20 | Agiofws | jelly, Reading state information... Done |
| 15:18.20 | Agiofws | libgl1-mesa-dri is already the newest version. |
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| 15:19.17 | KaffeeJunky123 | Agiofws: what about the glx libs? |
| 15:19.23 | Agiofws | KaffeeJunky123, jelly libgl1-mesa-glx is already the newest version. |
| 15:19.35 | jelly | glx are irrelevant |
| 15:19.37 | g00se | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:19.59 | KaffeeJunky123 | jelly: not if you want to play marble blaster |
| 15:20.02 | Agiofws | g00se, imagur something like that |
| 15:20.55 | g00se | Ah thanks. Looking |
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| 15:21.41 | petn-randall | SixtyFold: You can check in /var/log/apt/history.log what you removed since. |
| 15:21.46 | KaffeeJunky123 | Agiofws: what does dkms status say? you need to run it as root |
| 15:22.02 | g00se | Agiofws: Not in wheezy unfortunately |
| 15:22.10 | stmaher | Hi Everyone.. Im looking for a more modern alternative to hypermail.. I currently use it for a braindump.. I like the mail to webapp feature.. but looking for something more up to date and is search able.. does anyone know or recommend an alternative? thank you |
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| 15:23.31 | Agiofws | KaffeeJunky123, nothing |
| 15:24.00 | KaffeeJunky123 | oh nvm that's only for the binary modules |
| 15:24.41 | KaffeeJunky123 | Agiofws: can you pastebin the output of glxinfo? |
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| 15:25.21 | molgrum | hi, this function starts four instances of my daemon. i wonder if there is anything wrong with it? http://pastebin.com/4t5SnUpP |
| 15:25.28 | Agiofws | KaffeeJunky123, http://paste.debian.net/197158/ |
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| 15:27.40 | KaffeeJunky123 | Agiofws: looks like the driver is correctly installed, is your user in the video group? |
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| 15:27.54 | KaffeeJunky123 | you can check with "groups username" |
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| 15:30.54 | g00se | Agiofws: There is a site imgur.com though for images |
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| 15:41.20 | Posterdati | hi |
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| 15:42.00 | Posterdati | which is the default permission for root's home director? rw-r--r-- ?? |
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| 15:43.19 | jelly | Posterdati: directories almost always have the executable permissions set |
| 15:43.33 | watmm | I'm trying to move the contents of a parallel virtual machine to a hadware virtual machine, but the pvm machine has grub installed, and the hvm doesn't 'cause it's only got one partition. This is with Amazon EC2 instances but if anyone has any thoughts on the process involved i'd appreciate them |
| 15:43.37 | nkuttler | Posterdati: you probably don't want /root/ readable by anybody else either |
| 15:44.06 | SynrG | Posterdati: /root? pretty sure it's 700 |
| 15:45.00 | jelly | Posterdati: so it might be either 0755 (rwxr-xr-x) or 0700 (rwx------) |
| 15:45.36 | jelly | likes his /root world readable |
| 15:45.53 | Posterdati | ok tx |
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| 15:48.46 | Agiofws | KaffeeJunky123, ~$ groups agiofws cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev netdev scanner bluetooth |
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| 15:48.58 | Agiofws | ok booting with this kernel Linux P4 3.16.0-4-686-pae does not work for suspend... but when i boot with vmlinuz-3.2.0-4-686-pae suspend works... how can i set this kernel as my default one? |
| 15:49.07 | Agiofws | and would it be wize to set it as a default one? |
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| 15:51.35 | Brigo | Agiofws, i would try to know why 3.16 kernel fails to suspend. |
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| 16:03.11 | Agiofws | would anyone know why using latest jessie kernel i can't suspend? |
| 16:04.18 | Brigo | Agiofws, check logs |
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| 16:05.13 | Agiofws | http://paste.debian.net/197330/ ? |
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| 16:06.59 | Agiofws | do shell extensions work in gnome flashback? |
| 16:07.10 | Agiofws | One option is to use the Gnome "suspend-button" extension at https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/826/suspend-button/ |
| 16:07.18 | Agiofws | Another option, under Gnome shell, is to simply press ALT before clicking the shutdown button in the user menu. |
| 16:07.26 | Agiofws | that does not work either |
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| 16:09.37 | pipl | jessie probably wants you to think about her every time your laptop are about to suspend. :) |
| 16:09.46 | c0de1 | jessie haha |
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| 16:10.13 | pipl | s/laptop/laptops |
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| 16:11.38 | Agiofws | ist not a laptop though |
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| 16:13.27 | chinaman | hi, I installed debian min. image onto my server. During install and boot it would display fine. When it boots and gets to the tty1 screen it mirrors the screen about 10 times over itself and artifacts like crazy. impossible to use. |
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| 16:14.00 | chinaman | the graphics card supports something like 1024x680... its plugged into a 2k monitor |
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| 16:17.37 | bsdtux | anyone know of a way to encrypt the password in an expect script so that it does not show up in clear text |
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| 16:18.48 | KaffeeJunky123 | bsdtux: dunno about that type of script, but you could probably store a hash instead of the cleartext |
| 16:19.24 | KaffeeJunky123 | bsdtux: you hash the password the user enters to compare it to the stored hash |
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| 16:20.48 | bsdtux | well that will be difficult. I am building this script to automate sftp downloads from a 3rd party vendor. Password will need to be encrypted or hashed according to the CISO |
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| 16:25.00 | chinaman | hi, I installed debian min. image onto my server. During install and boot it would display fine. When it boots and gets to the tty1 screen it mirrors the screen about 10 times over itself and artifacts like crazy. impossible to use. |
| 16:25.02 | chinaman | the graphics card supports something like 1024x680... its plugged into a 2k monitor |
| 16:25.20 | frostschutz | bsdtux, but your program will still need to send the password, so it knows how to decrypt it, so encrypting it is pointless? other clients put this into a text file readable only by you |
| 16:26.19 | bsdtux | frostschutz that is what I was fearing. |
| 16:26.23 | frostschutz | bsdtux, its usually the server that only stores a salted / iterated hash, not the client |
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| 16:26.48 | KaffeeJunky123 | with ssh/sftp he can just use a private/public key pair |
| 16:27.09 | KaffeeJunky123 | bsdtux: if your sftp provider supports it ofc |
| 16:27.13 | frostschutz | but in a script you still have to enter a passphrase. (if the private key is encrypted with / protected by one) |
| 16:27.26 | frostschutz | and a private key is just a "password" otherwise |
| 16:27.32 | bsdtux | Yeah. I figured. I was trying to think if I could some how use expect take the encrypted password then decrypt it and send it over. Since sftp provides encryption It would keep anyone from viewing the file to learn the password but still send it over. |
| 16:27.34 | KaffeeJunky123 | frostschutz: not if he's registered a key with the server |
| 16:27.45 | KaffeeJunky123 | the script needs access to the private key |
| 16:27.57 | bsdtux | KaffeeJunky123 we are trying to see if they will allow us to do that. |
| 16:27.58 | KaffeeJunky123 | but no secret data ever gets sent to the server |
| 16:28.12 | frostschutz | if someone can steal your unencrypted password-in-a-file they can steal your private key as well since that too is just a file ... |
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| 16:28.30 | l3archos | hi debians. I'm using gnome-shell with gdm3 on Jessie and there is no option to choose my language in the login welcome screen. How can I add other languages or define a "default" language on the login screen ? |
| 16:28.31 | frostschutz | oh, okay |
| 16:29.27 | KaffeeJunky123 | l3archos: settings->language and regions |
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| 16:30.13 | l3archos | KaffeeJunky123: I changed the language there, also the keyboard, but when I reboot/restart the login screen still shows me the former language I used |
| 16:30.32 | l3archos | that's why I am confused. Is there any other special gdm3 setting I need to check/set ? |
| 16:30.35 | pipl | chinaman: I am not clear about problems you are having but were I you, I would check out the modules loaded for the display first. |
| 16:31.00 | KaffeeJunky123 | l3archos: not that I know of, it's working for me |
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| 16:31.11 | chinaman | ok |
| 16:31.19 | l3archos | anyone else please à |
| 16:31.20 | l3archos | ? |
| 16:31.39 | KaffeeJunky123 | l3archos: do you have task-yourlangue installed? |
| 16:31.57 | KaffeeJunky123 | replace yourlangue with the langue you're trying to use in your de |
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| 16:32.30 | molgrum | hi, this function starts four instances of my daemon. i wonder if there is anything wrong with it? http://pastebin.com/4t5SnUpP |
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| 16:32.46 | KaffeeJunky123 | l3archos: task-yourlanguege-desktop is the correct package |
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| 16:33.59 | l3archos | KaffeeJunky123: the first language I used (=german) is available, I have a package called "task-german" installed. But no "task-<mynewlanguage>". Now I installed "task-newlanguage" and "task-newlanguage-desktop" and I will reboot to check if it changed. Be right back ... |
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| 16:43.35 | l3archos | didn't help. I still get the login welcome screen in "german" :( |
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| 16:44.11 | StuckMojo | i seem to see that roundcube is now gone in jessie. is horde really the recommended replacement? |
| 16:44.30 | StuckMojo | i used squirrelmail for a while before roundcube and it just sucked in comparison |
| 16:44.38 | StuckMojo | well...it was ugly anyway |
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| 16:48.34 | Agiofws | trying to install grub-choose-default and i get this message Could not apply changes! Fix broken packages first. |
| 16:48.35 | Agiofws | ? |
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| 16:49.32 | tonyt | Agiofws check out http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=947124 |
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| 16:49.51 | tonyt | there is a sudo command listed there thatshold fix your problum |
| 16:49.59 | tonyt | *that should |
| 16:50.19 | Agiofws | tonyt, http://paste.debian.net/197526/ ? |
| 16:50.41 | tonyt | are you able to boot into the shell ? |
| 16:50.48 | Agiofws | yes |
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| 16:51.02 | tonyt | sudo apt-get -f install |
| 16:51.04 | Agiofws | i just want to change the default kernel |
| 16:51.18 | Agiofws | because new one does not suspend |
| 16:51.36 | Agiofws | tonyt, you think i will break anything? if i do -f install? |
| 16:51.59 | Agiofws | Reading state information... Done |
| 16:51.59 | Agiofws | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded. |
| 16:52.01 | Agiofws | lol |
| 16:52.11 | tonyt | Agiofws no it shouldnt break nothing |
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| 16:52.23 | tonyt | ubuntu some times has a simular error |
| 16:53.05 | Agiofws | well it says nothing to install |
| 16:53.38 | tonyt | http://www.thepowerbase.com/2012/04/how-to-fix-broken-packages-in-ubuntu-or-debian/ |
| 16:53.43 | tonyt | another site you can look at |
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| 17:15.13 | centrx | !hi |
| 17:15.13 | dpkg | hello, centrx |
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| 17:19.22 | RayzrShrp | how can i view 3 files using bzcat while using regex for the filenames? |
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| 17:19.44 | RayzrShrp | so file1, file2, file3 - bzcat file[1-3] |
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| 17:21.09 | frostschutz | RayzrShrp, bzcat file[1-3] should work fine? |
| 17:21.26 | RayzrShrp | frostschutz: no it tries to literaly find file[1-3] |
| 17:21.27 | coldfront | Afternoon, I had to reinstall debian and couldnt backup my LVM data. I am trying to restore it to gain access to my data. I do have a log file with cat /etc/fstab and the UUID that was used with the filesystem type of ext4 and also mount which shows the /dev/mapper. Is there anyway to recreate the metadata so i can gain access again to my data? |
| 17:22.12 | frostschutz | RayzrShrp, then do those files not exist? try 'echo bzcat file[1-3]' |
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| 17:22.29 | frostschutz | RayzrShrp, or your shell does not expand file[1-3], bash does |
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| 17:23.25 | frostschutz | coldfront, don't you have a backup of the metadata?! and how did you lose it in the first place? |
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| 17:24.10 | coldfront | Yeah i don't have a backup:/ I couldn't access the debian anymore and had to reinstall it |
| 17:24.31 | frostschutz | coldfront, so you formatted / installed over your old filesystems that you're now trying to restore? |
| 17:24.51 | coldfront | nah had to change out the OS HD because it went bad |
| 17:25.08 | coldfront | lost all the config on the OS HD |
| 17:25.20 | coldfront | there was no reinstalling over old filesystems |
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| 17:25.26 | frostschutz | config on os hd does not matter, each LVM PV has its own copy of the metadata |
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| 17:26.00 | frostschutz | and vgdisplay lvdisplay pvdisplay should show it |
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| 17:26.41 | coldfront | yeah vgdisplay, lv, and pv shows up with no matching physcail volumes, groups, and such |
| 17:26.53 | frostschutz | pastebin exact output |
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| 17:29.33 | coldfront | http://pastebin.com/xAH8FTbP |
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| 17:51.04 | meaneye | What's the current debian testing name? |
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| 17:51.39 | centrx | meaneye, stretch |
| 17:51.41 | dnsk_ | hey I have a 4096-bit gpg keys but I have used them with gpgtools even on a Mac, should I just revoke them and create new one or trust the Mac tools as well? I think they could have easily compromised my Mac vs Debian right? |
| 17:51.48 | meaneye | centrx, thanks! |
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| 17:52.23 | centrx | dnsk_, OS X is generally fairly secure I think, but who is "they"? |
| 17:52.30 | `ryban | hey |
| 17:52.35 | TheNumb | centrx: gpg tools is a third party tool |
| 17:53.14 | centrx | oh, well then the OS doesn't matter |
| 17:53.33 | KaffeeJunky123 | centrx: apple generally takes more time to fix security issues then debian |
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| 17:54.01 | KaffeeJunky123 | *than |
| 17:54.23 | dnsk_ | centrx, NSA |
| 17:54.25 | dnsk_ | :P |
| 17:54.39 | dnsk_ | but it is opensource tool |
| 17:54.51 | KaffeeJunky123 | even more reasons to worry |
| 17:55.04 | KaffeeJunky123 | dnsk_: the NSA snuck backdoors into opensource projects in the past |
| 17:55.36 | KaffeeJunky123 | but you've to do some serious shit to get the NSA interested in you in the first place |
| 17:55.57 | acz32 | saying open source means more reasons to worry is untrue and exaggeration |
| 17:55.57 | KaffeeJunky123 | their general surveilance programm is not enough to get their hands on your secret keys |
| 17:55.59 | centrx | Any backdoor reduces security |
| 17:56.03 | dnsk_ | KaffeeJunky123, ok |
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| 17:56.20 | KaffeeJunky123 | acz32: using any american software is actually a high risk for NSA backdoors |
| 17:56.34 | dnsk_ | ok guys if you had my Public and Private keys both what would you still be able to do? You would still need my strong passphrase right? |
| 17:57.00 | blixten | that can be cracked with GPU power |
| 17:57.01 | acz32 | KaffeeJunky123: that's untrue. what makes an american open source project any different from a non-american open source project? they have access to the code in both situations |
| 17:57.03 | blixten | and proper software ofc |
| 17:57.04 | KaffeeJunky123 | acz32: ofc OS is still the best way to go, however it's not safe |
| 17:57.19 | dnsk_ | blixten, what if it is too strong? like random 32 char? |
| 17:57.23 | KaffeeJunky123 | acz32: I didn't refer to opensource there, rather I'm refering to MS software |
| 17:57.38 | blixten | dnsk_: just takes longer time |
| 17:57.39 | KaffeeJunky123 | They can be forced by law to give access to goverment agencies |
| 17:57.53 | dnsk_ | blixten, it might take years? and I changed it every 4-6 months? |
| 17:58.06 | acz32 | and what makes you think other governments don't do the same? |
| 17:58.15 | KaffeeJunky123 | They don't have the capacities |
| 17:58.18 | KaffeeJunky123 | atleast most of them |
| 17:58.20 | dnsk_ | blixten, Also I don't store emails on the server so I have no idea what would they do by cracking it anymore |
| 17:58.24 | acz32 | lol, give me a break |
| 17:58.37 | KaffeeJunky123 | acz32: birtain china and russia probably do |
| 17:58.43 | blixten | dnsk_: no, with GPU you can do 500 million to 5 billion pw checks per second |
| 17:58.45 | blixten | maybe more |
| 17:58.45 | dnsk_ | blixten, its a few days when I am actually switching to 50-64 char passphrases |
| 17:59.06 | dnsk_ | blixten, but It won't work unless they have quantum computers |
| 17:59.38 | blixten | well, http://arstechnica.com/security/2012/12/25-gpu-cluster-cracks-every-standard-windows-password-in-6-hours/ |
| 17:59.40 | blixten | thats from 2012 |
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| 18:00.29 | KaffeeJunky123 | blixten: same is true for GNU/Linux with shadow/passwd |
| 18:00.47 | KaffeeJunky123 | but if you've access to the system at that level you might as well overwrite the password instead |
| 18:01.18 | blixten | yeah |
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| 18:01.50 | blixten | dnsk_: but even if you would say your pw right here and now, noone can do anything with it unless they have an ip aswell |
| 18:01.54 | KaffeeJunky123 | if you want super tight security you'll have to correctly setup SELinux or stuff like OpenBSD |
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| 18:02.12 | KaffeeJunky123 | and keep stuff uptodate ofc |
| 18:02.13 | blixten | offline is the best method actually |
| 18:02.14 | blixten | :D |
| 18:02.25 | acz32 | blixten: what good can an IP do if all my ports are closed? |
| 18:02.30 | KaffeeJunky123 | blixten: I'd recommend that for your nuclear powerplants |
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| 18:02.49 | IAmMe643 | Is there a way I can install debian (or any linux for that matter) in a unallocated spot on my hard drive from an already active linux partition? |
| 18:03.00 | blixten | KaffeeJunky123: nuclear powerplants have been hacked too, even tho they are offline :P |
| 18:03.01 | KaffeeJunky123 | acz32: there could be a backdoor in your ethernet hardware |
| 18:03.12 | KaffeeJunky123 | blixten: not all of them are offline :/ |
| 18:03.13 | blixten | acz32: i dont know, im no hacker |
| 18:03.26 | blixten | KaffeeJunky123: whut? that sounds freaking stupid |
| 18:03.36 | KaffeeJunky123 | and the iranian thing was a research facility |
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| 18:03.46 | KaffeeJunky123 | mostly centrifuges to enrich uranium |
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| 18:03.55 | blixten | i saw a docu about the most sophisticated virus ever written, was aimed to nuclear powerplant in middle east if im not misstaken |
| 18:04.18 | dnsk_ | blixten, I know I have done that before, I did share my Facebook password with everyone here but no one could login |
| 18:04.19 | blixten | it was set to speed up and down the turbins that cools the reactors |
| 18:04.53 | KaffeeJunky123 | blixten: stuxnet and it's goal was to destroy the centrifuges of the iranian nuclear research site |
| 18:05.03 | blixten | dnsk_: hehe okey :P |
| 18:05.08 | Agiofws | it seems there is something wrong with my keaboard layout for example the printscreen key won't work after upgrading to jessie also the alt+shift won't change the language how can i trouble shoot this? |
| 18:05.17 | blixten | KaffeeJunky123: ah yes ;P |
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| 18:05.38 | KaffeeJunky123 | blixten: they invaded the simens PLC |
| 18:05.50 | KaffeeJunky123 | and used several windows zerodays to get there in the first place |
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| 18:06.24 | KaffeeJunky123 | blixten: one of them was the lnk exploit that could execute arbitary code once a folder containing the lnk was displayed |
| 18:06.47 | KaffeeJunky123 | blixten: the issue with the siemens PLC was that it had a default admin pw |
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| 18:07.47 | blixten | :D |
| 18:08.25 | KaffeeJunky123 | ironically, parts of the stuxnet binary were reused by criminals in their own trojan horses later on |
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| 18:09.44 | blixten | have you seen this in a docu or something? |
| 18:10.02 | blixten | i need something exciting to watch atm |
| 18:10.04 | blixten | :P |
| 18:10.33 | KaffeeJunky123 | blixten: read some articles, looked at dissablies |
| 18:10.53 | jhutchins | Gentlemen, this is straying pretty far from Debian support. Could it perhaps go elsewhere? |
| 18:10.56 | KaffeeJunky123 | *disassemblies |
| 18:11.02 | KaffeeJunky123 | mb |
| 18:11.24 | KaffeeJunky123 | IT security always gets me excited |
| 18:11.37 | blixten | :D |
| 18:12.32 | Agiofws | can someone tell me how to change between languages in gnome? i think keyboard shortcuts are not working at all |
| 18:13.09 | bsdtux | I think you can do it from gsettings in the terminal. |
| 18:13.43 | bsdtux | ok just go to settings then do language support |
| 18:14.10 | Agiofws | i've done that |
| 18:14.28 | Agiofws | region & language? |
| 18:14.58 | bsdtux | Was there an apply system wide button by chance |
| 18:15.19 | Agiofws | input source is english and greek secondly |
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| 18:16.10 | bsdtux | and what do you have for /etc/default/locale |
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| 18:16.55 | Agiofws | LANG="en_US.UTF-8" |
| 18:16.55 | Agiofws | LANGUAGE="en_US:en" |
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| 18:17.31 | Agiofws | do i have to reconfigure? anything? |
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| 18:17.57 | bsdtux | Agiofws and that is the expected language correct? Sorry if I missed where you specified what language you were wanting |
| 18:18.05 | divineant | Hi, so i just accidentally did a rm -rf /etc, instead of a subfolder of /etc. Am i screwed? |
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| 18:18.44 | Agiofws | language should be english but i'd like to switch to greek for writing from time to timne like in wheezy |
| 18:18.48 | greycat | Restore from your last backup of /etc. |
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| 18:19.04 | BlaDe^ | hi all, any ideas how to debug this: [63589928.209658] apt-get[28515]: segfault at ffffffffffffffff ip 00007fb5d45d5f9a sp 00007fff86016870 error 5 in libapt-pkg.so.4.12.0[7fb5d4585000+168000] |
| 18:19.15 | Agiofws | divineant, switch of yuor pc and try to recover from another pc |
| 18:19.24 | hypn0 | who backs up /etc :-) |
| 18:19.31 | greycat | raises his paw |
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| 18:19.46 | greycat | Second most important thing to back up, after /home! |
| 18:19.54 | Agiofws | what is the command in apt-get to reconfigure languages etc? |
| 18:20.01 | greycat | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 18:20.09 | Agiofws | thank you greycat |
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| 18:21.02 | jelly | hypn0: if I backup everything, does that count |
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| 18:22.27 | Agiofws | greycat, after upgrading to jessie i can't get my second local up i mean i can't switch to it |
| 18:22.46 | greycat | local what? |
| 18:22.46 | Agiofws | and i don't see any local in the top bar to even click on it |
| 18:22.47 | hypn0 | i guess, 2 from 1700+ is approximately zero percent of ppl to 2 dp :-) |
| 18:22.54 | greycat | top... bar? what? |
| 18:22.54 | Agiofws | language |
| 18:23.01 | greycat | Oh, locale? |
| 18:23.06 | divineant | Agiofws, i dont think switching it of would be a good idea |
| 18:23.23 | greycat | Locales are set in your shell dot-files by setting the LANG or LC_whatever variables. |
| 18:23.24 | Agiofws | switch the disk off |
| 18:23.46 | Agiofws | the more you use it the less you are to recover |
| 18:24.01 | Agiofws | you would* |
| 18:25.11 | jelly | I think gnome has a setting in their control panel _somewhere_ |
| 18:25.35 | jelly | FIIK where, I'd have to install gnome first |
| 18:25.36 | divineant | its the only disk on a vps, so i cant access it after a reboot |
| 18:25.52 | Agiofws | yes i've set the locale in gnome settings but i get no icon in gnome panel |
| 18:26.11 | Agiofws | jelly, could this be due to i'm not using gdm? |
| 18:26.16 | jelly | divineant: full VM or container-based VPS? In any case you're most likely screwer |
| 18:26.19 | jelly | screwed* |
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| 18:27.14 | jelly | Agiofws: no idea, sorry, I don't use gdm either |
| 18:27.28 | divineant | jelly, KVM |
| 18:27.31 | Agiofws | headesks |
| 18:27.49 | Agiofws | gdm3 won;t run on my system |
| 18:27.50 | greycat | I don't use GNOME or gdm or KDE or kdm or ... |
| 18:28.15 | greycat | If you want to set your locale and if you login on the text console like I do, then just do an export LANG=whatever in ~/.bash_profile . |
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| 18:28.30 | Agiofws | i've upgraded to jessie and have had major problems |
| 18:28.49 | greycat | If you want to set it "system wide", put something like : "${LANG:=whatever}" in /etc/profile and make all your users not use *csh. |
| 18:29.10 | jelly | divineant: so theoretically you could power it off _right now_, boot a rescue image and proceed with some sort of recovery. You might find many of the text files with a tool, but you wouldn't know their names or pathsd and would have to deduce from the contents. |
| 18:29.25 | Agiofws | whats the locale though for my language hwo do i find it? |
| 18:29.35 | greycat | If you SAY WHAT LANGUAGE, maybe someone can help. |
| 18:29.42 | greycat | And by help, I mean tell you. |
| 18:29.56 | greycat | If you run "locale -a", it will tell you which ones you have already generated. |
| 18:29.56 | jelly | divineant: this is time consuming, I suggest copying off the useful data and reinstalling. And setting backups afterwards. |
| 18:29.58 | Agiofws | why isn't gnome working with the right settings in its settings panel |
| 18:29.58 | hypn0 | https://wiki.debian.org/ChangeLanguage ? |
| 18:30.08 | Agiofws | locale for greek |
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| 18:30.23 | Agiofws | i just want to be able to write in greek |
| 18:30.35 | greycat | You can write in greek without ever setting a locale. |
| 18:30.45 | greycat | Setting a locale causes you to get ERROR MESSAGES in Greek. |
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| 18:31.02 | Agiofws | nope i would not want that |
| 18:31.10 | greycat | And it looks like the locale you want, after you have generated it, will be LANG=gr_GR.utf8 |
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| 18:31.20 | greycat | Then why do you want to set the locale to Greek? |
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| 18:32.04 | Agiofws | i got confused i meant setting the KB layout to switch to greek when i press alt+shift which does not even work |
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| 18:32.32 | Agiofws | but i don't have an icon in gnome panel? which displays what language i am writing in |
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| 18:33.03 | greycat | I don't know anything about GNOME. |
| 18:33.24 | jelly | it's el_GR.UTF-8 actually |
| 18:33.37 | hypn0 | isnt it el for greek? |
| 18:34.05 | Agiofws | maybe its gdm to blame |
| 18:34.22 | Agiofws | how to i turn off compositing in gdm3? |
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| 18:36.08 | TuomasKotamaa | Hi everyone! I've been getting segmentation faults with a lot of programs today after an upgrade. Anyone else getting these on Sid? |
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| 18:37.47 | divineant | jelly, I was thinking that i might be able to copy over /etc from a default install. luckily this install is only 3 days old, and /etc was mostly untouched |
| 18:37.49 | KaffeeJunky123 | TuomasKotamaa: You probably have incompatible library versions |
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| 18:38.37 | KaffeeJunky123 | TuomasKotamaa: things like that can happen when you're using unstable |
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| 18:39.28 | KaffeeJunky123 | TuomasKotamaa: You'll have to find out where it's segfaulting and get the right libs |
| 18:39.29 | TuomasKotamaa | KaffeeJunky123: Have you come around a fix? =) |
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| 18:40.07 | KaffeeJunky123 | With sid you're on your own |
| 18:41.18 | KaffeeJunky123 | TuomasKotamaa: especially since it's an issue that is very installation specific |
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| 18:41.29 | BlaDe^ | hi all, any ideas how to debug this: [63589928.209658] apt-get[28515]: segfault at ffffffffffffffff ip 00007fb5d45d5f9a sp 00007fff86016870 error 5 in libapt-pkg.so.4.12.0[7fb5d4585000+168000] ? |
| 18:42.05 | KaffeeJunky123 | BlaDe^: get debugging symbols and debugg it in a debugger |
| 18:42.25 | KaffeeJunky123 | BlaDe^: if you're not a dev it's unlikely that you can fix it thou |
| 18:42.59 | BlaDe^ | I am a dev, but a) I don't know how to rebuild apt-get ... i obviously can't install apt-get install apt-get-dbg |
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| 18:43.24 | KaffeeJunky123 | BlaDe^: yes you can |
| 18:43.31 | KaffeeJunky123 | if dpkg is still working |
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| 18:43.48 | BlaDe^ | dpkg -l works |
| 18:43.48 | dpkg | No packages found matching works |
| 18:44.20 | KaffeeJunky123 | BlaDe^: you can download the .debs from packages.debian.org |
| 18:44.44 | BlaDe^ | which ones do I need? |
| 18:45.10 | KaffeeJunky123 | those of the stuff you're going to debug |
| 18:45.26 | KaffeeJunky123 | BlaDe^: in this case it's symbols of libapt-pkg |
| 18:45.50 | KaffeeJunky123 | BlaDe^: but maybe you've just messed up upgrades somewhere |
| 18:46.29 | BlaDe^ | KaffeeJunky123: I haven't done any lately, how would I check? |
| 18:46.53 | KaffeeJunky123 | dpkg and apt logs |
| 18:46.54 | dpkg | KaffeeJunky123: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 18:46.57 | roberth1990 | why is the binary for openvpn installed in /usr/sbin? |
| 18:47.28 | BlaDe^ | KaffeeJunky123: there was an update yesterday, no errors there though |
| 18:47.49 | BlaDe^ | i guess that is the problem, but what'd be the next step? |
| 18:48.03 | KaffeeJunky123 | roll back to a working version |
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| 18:48.18 | KaffeeJunky123 | or look if there's new versions for the packages available |
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| 18:50.35 | KaffeeJunky123 | BlaDe^: previously installed versions can be found in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 18:50.42 | KaffeeJunky123 | undless you cleaned them ofc |
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| 18:52.00 | BlaDe^ | KaffeeJunky123: ok got it |
| 18:52.15 | BlaDe^ | KaffeeJunky123: I downloaded the .deb and ran dpkg -i wich informed me it couldn't allocate ram |
| 18:52.24 | BlaDe^ | only had 70mb free, that was causing the segfault... which imo is a bug but whatever heh |
| 18:52.50 | KaffeeJunky123 | that's not really a bug |
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| 18:54.02 | BlaDe^ | KaffeeJunky123: it could at least give an error that it can't allocate |
| 18:54.54 | hypn0 | do you only have 70mbs free, you should know that though |
| 18:55.00 | greycat | segfaulting on malloc() fail instead of gracefully terminating is definitely a bug |
| 18:55.35 | greycat | (assuming that's really what caused the seg fault) |
| 18:55.51 | BlaDe^ | I free'd up some ram and it no longer segfaults |
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| 18:56.13 | greycat | Do you not have any paging/swap space defined? |
| 18:56.15 | KaffeeJunky123 | BlaDe^: occupy some more ram and see if you can reproduce |
| 18:56.33 | BlaDe^ | KaffeeJunky123: i'd rather not, this is a live server ;) |
| 18:56.41 | KaffeeJunky123 | D: |
| 18:57.10 | KaffeeJunky123 | BlaDe^: you should get a testing server to run updates on, before deploying it to live |
| 18:57.13 | BlaDe^ | greycat: I didn't, but do now |
| 18:57.26 | KaffeeJunky123 | if your applications are timecritical |
| 18:57.43 | KaffeeJunky123 | well actually you always should've a testing system at hand |
| 18:57.58 | greycat | Well in this case, it wasn't the upgraded package that was causing the issue, but the process of upgrading itself. |
| 18:58.03 | BlaDe^ | KaffeeJunky123: I don't particularly want to mirror every box for upgrades on a stable distro -- I've never heard of someone doing so |
| 18:58.17 | BlaDe^ | FYI dpkg gave: fork failed: Cannot allocate memory |
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| 18:59.02 | KaffeeJunky123 | BlaDe^: 1 should be enough, assuming you've similar configuration across your boxes |
| 18:59.40 | BlaDe^ | KaffeeJunky123: we do have staging boxes which upgrade nightly on a cron to hopefully catch such an issue |
| 18:59.46 | jhutchins | BlaDe^: That's what VMs are for. |
| 19:00.01 | BlaDe^ | unfortunately our staging isn't exactly like prod though, but that's being worked on |
| 19:00.15 | BlaDe^ | jhutchins: again it wouldn't really have solved this problem, i have never had an issue where upgrading packages has caused an issue |
| 19:00.17 | KaffeeJunky123 | well, sometimes it just can be helped |
| 19:00.37 | BlaDe^ | except on unstable, but that's to be expected.. that's only happened once too heh |
| 19:01.24 | KaffeeJunky123 | I'd like to see that dpkg.log |
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| 19:01.58 | KaffeeJunky123 | BlaDe^: if it's within your companies policies to post some logs |
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| 19:12.18 | BlaDe^ | KaffeeJunky123: sure you can, one sec |
| 19:12.36 | SecretTurtle | How can I have a wildcard adress for ListenAdress in the sshd_config? |
| 19:12.48 | BlaDe^ | KaffeeJunky123: this is all that's there from today: http://pastie.org/private/dou1ekupnusth3b6hptk9g |
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| 19:13.14 | SecretTurtle | I would like to only allow my LAN access SSH. |
| 19:13.34 | KaffeeJunky123 | BlaDe^: that update shouldn't have caused any issues |
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| 19:13.54 | KaffeeJunky123 | BlaDe^: it's contains development files only, headers 'n such |
| 19:14.02 | BlaDe^ | KaffeeJunky123: it didn't cause any issues |
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| 19:14.14 | BlaDe^ | KaffeeJunky123: I was installing that package and dpkg gave an error that it couldn't fork due to being out of ram |
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| 19:14.32 | BlaDe^ | KaffeeJunky123: i free'd up some ram, and then apt-get/apt-cache started working too |
| 19:14.32 | ompaul | SecretTurtle: that would be a firewall issue |
| 19:14.45 | BlaDe^ | KaffeeJunky123: thus it seems the segfault was because there wasn't enough ram available |
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| 19:15.15 | SecretTurtle | ompaul: ok, so you rather recommend me restrict access through my firewall? |
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| 19:15.40 | ompaul | SecretTurtle: no |
| 19:15.51 | ompaul | SecretTurtle: you asked to allow your lan access ssh |
| 19:16.07 | SecretTurtle | Well, my LAN can already access the ssh |
| 19:16.08 | ompaul | why would the outside world have access unless you punch a hole in your firewall |
| 19:16.30 | SecretTurtle | But I would like my SSH to only be accessed through my LAN |
| 19:16.44 | at0m|c | then don't pinch that port |
| 19:16.46 | ompaul | SecretTurtle: and does your firewall allow outside ssh? |
| 19:17.17 | SecretTurtle | well yes? |
| 19:17.21 | ompaul | why? |
| 19:17.27 | ompaul | if you don't want that |
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| 19:17.57 | SecretTurtle | Uhm |
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| 19:18.02 | SecretTurtle | Good question |
| 19:18.05 | ompaul | SecretTurtle: what I'm saying is this, your question assumes I understand the layout of what it is you have, and how you want to to it, please explain more |
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| 19:18.37 | ompaul | SecretTurtle: if it's a 200 word essay do something in paste.debian.net |
| 19:18.50 | ompaul | we can all see it and then think for a moment |
| 19:19.19 | SecretTurtle | Basically I have a standard SSH daemon set up, and I would like to only allow LAN connections to connect to my SSH |
| 19:19.23 | at0m|c | by default, firewall should not allow any external inbound connections |
| 19:19.42 | at0m|c | if you forward the ssh port, it becomes available from outside. |
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| 19:20.15 | greycat | SecretTurtle: edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config and tell it to listen only on the LAN IP address. |
| 19:20.34 | greycat | (ListenAddress 192.168.whatever.whatever) |
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| 19:21.18 | KaffeeJunky123 | greycat: ssssht he should know about lan adress space by himself |
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| 19:21.58 | greycat | Of course that only matters if your computer has multiple interfaces, one public and one private. |
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| 19:24.15 | dimitry7 | Hi. I'm launching a Debian Virtual Machine in Amazon EC2. I launched both, Jessie and Squeeze. and assigned 50 GB for both root volumes. Only in Squeeze I see the 50 GB space when I do df -h, but in the Jesse machine I only see 8GB, why? |
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| 19:24.39 | SecretTurtle | Well, I solved it by just blocking the port through the router |
| 19:25.28 | greycat | Was your router forwarding EVERY SINGLE PORT by default?! |
| 19:26.03 | greycat | (And as I hinted earlier, if your computer only has one interface, and it's behind a router, editing sshd_config in the way I described would not have helped you anyway.) |
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| 19:27.47 | pythonsnake | hi |
| 19:27.50 | pythonsnake | https://files.pythonsnake.youhacked.me/ |
| 19:27.55 | pythonsnake | what is wrong with my certificate? |
| 19:29.18 | SecretTurtle | greycat: nah, but I had this one open. |
| 19:29.18 | hypn0 | in iceweasel : files.pythonsnake.youhacked.me uses an invalid security certificate. |
| 19:29.18 | Sorch | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:29.29 | pythonsnake | yes |
| 19:29.31 | pythonsnake | why |
| 19:29.39 | pythonsnake | It says something about HSTS |
| 19:29.40 | Sorch | has it expired? |
| 19:29.45 | pythonsnake | it's self-signed |
| 19:29.45 | Sorch | is it self signed? |
| 19:29.50 | Sorch | thats why.. |
| 19:29.52 | pythonsnake | but I should be able to access it |
| 19:29.58 | Sorch | true |
| 19:30.05 | pythonsnake | https://195.154.200.7/ |
| 19:30.10 | pythonsnake | works there |
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| 19:30.44 | alegen | hey hello. is the freetalk package not in jessie anymore? |
| 19:30.57 | hypn0 | iceweasel says : Don't add an exception unless you know there's a good reason why this site doesn't use trusted identification. |
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| 19:36.02 | fennesz | Guys can someone tell me why building is needed before installing a software? |
| 19:36.12 | fennesz | ps.sorry for noob questions |
| 19:37.09 | NoImNotNineVolt | it's not always. |
| 19:37.30 | NoImNotNineVolt | software that you can execute is in binary form. software that you can modify is in source form. |
| 19:37.47 | NoImNotNineVolt | you 'build' source code to create a binary. |
| 19:37.58 | NoImNotNineVolt | (which you can then execute.) |
| 19:38.22 | NoImNotNineVolt | so, if you get your software in binary form, you don't need to build it. you can just execute it. (but you can't [easily] modify it.) |
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| 19:38.57 | NoImNotNineVolt | on the other hand, if you get your software in the form of source code, you need to build it before you can execute it. (but you can modify the source code and rebuild a new binary if you want to modify things.) |
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| 19:39.38 | NoImNotNineVolt | fennesz: hopefully that makes sense. |
| 19:40.07 | fennesz | NoImNotNineVolt, yes this makes perfect sense ! Thank you very much ! |
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| 19:40.30 | greycat | It also depends on the programming language that's being used. Some languages are "interpreted", meaning the program is installed in human-readable form and there is no explicit build step. |
| 19:40.31 | NoImNotNineVolt | my pleasure. |
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| 19:40.49 | NoImNotNineVolt | indeed, that only applies to software written in "compiled" languages. |
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| 19:41.41 | NoImNotNineVolt | code written in "interpreted" languages is never built and stays in source form. |
| 19:41.53 | KaffeeJunky123 | wat |
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| 19:42.06 | greycat | That's intentionally simplified. |
| 19:42.09 | pythonsnake | TIL selfsigned doesnt accept wildcard |
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| 19:42.15 | KaffeeJunky123 | NoImNotNineVolt: you totally missed out on Jit |
| 19:42.19 | NoImNotNineVolt | and then if you dig deeper, you'll find languages that fall somewhere in between, being compiled to an intermediate bytecode form. |
| 19:42.48 | NoImNotNineVolt | KaffeeJunky123: if you think answering "what does 'build' mean?" involves talking about jit compilation, you're the worst teacher i've ever met :P |
| 19:43.05 | KaffeeJunky123 | I only read your statement on interpreted langs |
| 19:43.15 | KaffeeJunky123 | and it's terribly wrong |
| 19:43.31 | NoImNotNineVolt | when your kids ask why the sky is blue, do you explain refraction to them? |
| 19:43.40 | KaffeeJunky123 | ofcourse |
| 19:43.45 | KaffeeJunky123 | I don't have any kids thou |
| 19:43.47 | NoImNotNineVolt | good luck with that. |
| 19:43.56 | NoImNotNineVolt | you don't have any teaching experience either, clearly. |
| 19:44.18 | KaffeeJunky123 | Actually I do |
| 19:44.19 | hypn0 | he just asked for a simple explanation :-) |
| 19:44.21 | NoImNotNineVolt | jit languages are not purely interpreted. as such, my statement was technically correct. |
| 19:44.33 | NoImNotNineVolt | and technical correctness is the best kind. |
| 19:44.45 | fennesz | NoImNotNineVolt, is there a difference from bytecode to binary ? (explain it like you do :) ) |
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| 19:45.25 | fennesz | NoImNotNineVolt, is it bits vs bytes? |
| 19:45.33 | fennesz | NoImNotNineVolt, just guessing :) |
| 19:45.35 | NoImNotNineVolt | fennesz: your cpu understands binary. that means that different kinds of cpus (i don't mean intel vs amd, i mean x86 vs arm) support different flavors of binary instructions. |
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| 19:45.57 | greycat | (No, it's not bits vs. bytes.) |
| 19:46.22 | NoImNotNineVolt | so to execute binary code, it's just fed to your cpu. the downside of this is that you need to have different "builds" for different target platforms (x86 vs arm, etc) |
| 19:46.36 | KaffeeJunky123 | byte codes are instruction sets for virtual machines, java is a good example for this |
| 19:47.06 | KaffeeJunky123 | the goal of compiling to bytecode is to not recompile for every platform |
| 19:47.09 | greycat | "bytecode" is all one word. |
| 19:47.12 | NoImNotNineVolt | bytecode, java bytecode for example, isn't executed directly by your cpu like that. it's executed by the jvm (java virtual machine). think of the jvm as a virtual cpu that understands its own "bytecode" instead. |
| 19:47.35 | fennesz | I am going to save this conversation !! |
| 19:47.38 | NoImNotNineVolt | that means that you only have to build your software once, the target platform being the jvm, and it will run anywhere that has a jvm. |
| 19:47.47 | NoImNotNineVolt | (in theory, at least) |
| 19:48.06 | NoImNotNineVolt | that was the big promise of java. in reality, there's still some corner cases where that doesn't hold true. |
| 19:48.13 | fennesz | but you have to have jvm installed? |
| 19:48.18 | KaffeeJunky123 | yes |
| 19:48.23 | NoImNotNineVolt | right, and in that sense, the jvm is somewhat like an interpreter. |
| 19:48.37 | fennesz | ok |
| 19:48.38 | NoImNotNineVolt | so java is somewhat halfway between a compiled language and an interpreted one. |
| 19:48.44 | greycat | Java is a unique special case. |
| 19:48.45 | NoImNotNineVolt | it's both compiled and interpreted, in a very loose sense. |
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| 19:48.52 | KaffeeJunky123 | it chaches the native instructions thou |
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| 19:49.06 | fennesz | python is just interpreted right? |
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| 19:49.26 | NoImNotNineVolt | as far as i know. i'm not a python guy, though. |
| 19:49.28 | KaffeeJunky123 | depends on the implementation |
| 19:49.39 | greycat | Other "JIT" type langauges (including Perl, Python and Tcl) compile the program "script" to bytecode at execution time. Java requires a Java compiler to produce bytecode which is installed. |
| 19:49.42 | KaffeeJunky123 | fennesz: you can lookup the details |
| 19:49.44 | NoImNotNineVolt | perl is traditionally considered to be an interpreted language. |
| 19:50.06 | fennesz | KaffeeJunky123, yes in case you use pure python , not ctypes or stuff like that |
| 19:50.07 | hypn0 | gambas is interpreted and has a jit too now :-) |
| 19:50.08 | KaffeeJunky123 | all optimized versions of interpretors use JIT now |
| 19:50.25 | NoImNotNineVolt | but there are tools that claim to "compile perl". i'm not sure if they actually compile perl or merely stick a perl interpreter onto a perl script and call that a binary :P |
| 19:50.35 | KaffeeJunky123 | so things get compiled to the platforms native instruction set when they're used the first time |
| 19:51.01 | NoImNotNineVolt | jit perl! i've been living under a rock. |
| 19:51.08 | KaffeeJunky123 | jit is everywhere |
| 19:51.23 | KaffeeJunky123 | javascript, actionscript to name the worst |
| 19:51.41 | NoImNotNineVolt | i wonder how much of that is the result of the work sun did. |
| 19:51.42 | KaffeeJunky123 | Oh no, I'm being OT again O_O |
| 19:52.04 | trispace | I'm using journalctl (systemd 215-17) on jessie to view logs. However, I noticed, that some log entries from a service are missing the _SYSTEMD_UNIT property. Is that a bug or feature? :) |
| 19:52.15 | fennesz | so when a language is interpreted , does it use JIT ( like JVM ) to compile it to binary ? And this is done the first time the code gets executed? |
| 19:52.27 | NoImNotNineVolt | in the traditional "pure" sense, no. |
| 19:52.50 | NoImNotNineVolt | in practice, most interpreted languages are moving towards JIT nowadays, for performance reasons. |
| 19:53.07 | NoImNotNineVolt | but the way it's done is still quite a bit different than the way java does it. |
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| 19:53.16 | KaffeeJunky123 | fennesz: interpreters used to just parse the text of the script and execute precompiled functions |
| 19:53.27 | greycat | Python stores the bytecode in *.pyc files if it has permission to write them. Perl and Tcl do not store the bytecode permanently. It's recreated each time. |
| 19:53.28 | NoImNotNineVolt | with java, there's an explicit compilation/build step, and the result of that step is a compiled file on your filesystem. |
| 19:53.55 | NoImNotNineVolt | most interpreted langauges integrate this step into the execution process. |
| 19:54.06 | KaffeeJunky123 | fennesz: but they had to parse the script code again and again on every call of a script function, so that's why JIT was introduced to safe a lot of time when frequently calling the same fubnctions |
| 19:54.12 | NoImNotNineVolt | so you never have a perl-bytecode-equivalent file on disk when you interpret perl. |
| 19:54.29 | hypn0 | http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/doc/benchmark it speeds up certain things, jit |
| 19:54.46 | KaffeeJunky123 | NoImNotNineVolt: dunno about perl, but python stores intermediate bytecode in .pyc files :) |
| 19:54.56 | KaffeeJunky123 | in the default implementation that is |
| 19:55.10 | NoImNotNineVolt | is an old man |
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| 19:56.27 | KaffeeJunky123 | Everyone's an old man once they're past mid twenties :/ |
| 19:56.36 | ilyak | vlc is broken in stable? |
| 19:56.40 | ilyak | 2.2.0~rc2-2 |
| 19:57.02 | ilyak | segfaults when trying to open video |
| 19:57.12 | fennesz | Guys . Thank you so much ! Hope to find you more often in this channel !! Thank you ! |
| 19:57.15 | ilyak | vlc=1:2.2.1-dmo1 works after downgrade |
| 19:57.42 | KaffeeJunky123 | NoImNotNineVolt: python is the best "scripting" language right now, One language to find them and in the darkness bind them! |
| 19:57.46 | ilyak | (or was it upgrade?))) looking at version no |
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| 19:58.17 | NoImNotNineVolt | KaffeeJunky123: depends on the task at hand. there are still scripting tasks for which python is not the ideal choice. |
| 19:58.30 | NoImNotNineVolt | although i grant that that set is growing smaller every day. |
| 19:58.33 | KaffeeJunky123 | I guess heavy text processing is still a perl thing |
| 19:58.38 | KaffeeJunky123 | or sed/awk |
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| 19:58.56 | KaffeeJunky123 | And there's ruby |
| 19:59.05 | NoImNotNineVolt | perl still leads in write-only coding :P |
| 19:59.07 | qman__ | I end to write as Mich as I can in shell for easy interoperability |
| 19:59.18 | KaffeeJunky123 | lua is pretty popular in the games industry |
| 19:59.19 | greycat | !start a language war |
| 19:59.19 | dpkg | Java is more efficient than Lua |
| 19:59.23 | qman__ | Tend* much* |
| 19:59.27 | KaffeeJunky123 | *Lua |
| 19:59.28 | KaffeeJunky123 | mb |
| 19:59.35 | NoImNotNineVolt | haha, excellent bot feature. |
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| 19:59.54 | KaffeeJunky123 | cudos to the bot |
| 20:00.04 | KaffeeJunky123 | but can it start an editor war too? |
| 20:00.11 | KaffeeJunky123 | !start an editor war |
| 20:00.11 | dpkg | vim blows! |
| 20:00.21 | KaffeeJunky123 | I definitly agree |
| 20:00.33 | qman__ | For me it just boils down that almost everything has a Bourne shell on it, anything else may jot be installed on $random_platform |
| 20:00.38 | NoImNotNineVolt | nano4life |
| 20:00.52 | KaffeeJunky123 | qman__: bash scripting is the worst scripting |
| 20:00.55 | NoImNotNineVolt | isn't perl installed by default everywhere? |
| 20:01.03 | KaffeeJunky123 | unless you're a complete masochist |
| 20:01.12 | KaffeeJunky123 | NoImNotNineVolt: Windows, huehuehuehue |
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| 20:01.39 | KaffeeJunky123 | I'd never touch it for anything serious thou |
| 20:01.49 | KaffeeJunky123 | it'll always be the gamelauncher⢠|
| 20:02.29 | NoImNotNineVolt | perl is my favorite language, so i'm biased. |
| 20:02.41 | NoImNotNineVolt | but it's been over a decade since anyone has paid me to write anything in perl. |
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| 20:03.15 | qman__ | Perl is very common but sometimes they rip it out of embedded devices |
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| 20:03.37 | qman__ | And sometimes its not where you expect it or there's some other catch |
| 20:03.46 | KaffeeJunky123 | C is the way to go for embedded stuff |
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| 20:03.59 | KaffeeJunky123 | well it's actually C++ most of the time now |
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| 20:05.06 | qman__ | While /bin/sh is still usually there and if you stay away from bashisms it'll work |
| 20:05.28 | greycat | Unfortunately, writing in /bin/sh is horrible. |
| 20:05.45 | greycat | Writing in bash isn't much better, but at least you get arrays. |
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| 20:07.37 | qman__ | It's old and jank but it's just about everywhere, so it really depends on your design goals |
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| 20:14.52 | qu | I have a camera on the LAN, and am trying to find out what kind of data is on port 8000. |
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| 20:15.04 | qu | curl just says Connection reset by peer. |
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| 20:15.17 | bsdtux | qu try using nmap to scan it |
| 20:15.24 | greycat | or telnet camera 8000 |
| 20:15.35 | qu | I did, and it's only able to tell be 8000 is a server. |
| 20:15.48 | bsdtux | nmap -T4 -A -v <ip here> |
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| 20:18.12 | bbDrrt | How to do things that are important but not fun? |
| 20:18.21 | bbDrrt | How do you force yourself to do such things? |
| 20:18.41 | qu | running nmap -T4 -A -v |
| 20:18.45 | galegosimpatico | Fuerza de voluntad. |
| 20:19.06 | greycat | I'm guessing that translates to "willpower". |
| 20:19.15 | hypn0 | bbDrrt: like? |
| 20:19.17 | qu | bbDrrt: self-discipline. It's a life-skill that needs to be developed. |
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| 20:19.22 | bbDrrt | greycat: and how to get that willpower? |
| 20:20.09 | bbDrrt | hypn0: fixing medical problems, starting buisness to earn money, clean tooth to not have bad tooth etc |
| 20:20.14 | qman__ | the desire to do the things that are fun |
| 20:20.16 | bbDrrt | qu how you develop that |
| 20:20.24 | qu | Oh wow, nmap -T4 -A -v is actually scanning the open services... |
| 20:20.26 | bbDrrt | qman__: how to have it |
| 20:20.48 | bbDrrt | how to do things that give reward but not immediately? |
| 20:20.50 | qu | bbDrrt: You have to just do it and get through it. The more you do, the stronger you get. |
| 20:20.56 | qman__ | the unpleasant things enable the lifestyle to do the fun things, that's the motivation |
| 20:21.01 | bbDrrt | qu not possible i cant do |
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| 20:21.06 | galegosimpatico | How I'ld like to force my laptop's fan fullspeed but it seems there is no generic program. |
| 20:21.13 | qu | You're a weaking then. |
| 20:21.18 | bbDrrt | qman__: yes and i dont have it |
| 20:21.25 | qu | weakling |
| 20:21.39 | hypn0 | its just repeating things, you get used to it, and do it normally without thinking after a while |
| 20:21.40 | bbDrrt | qu how to become strong not weakling |
| 20:21.59 | bbDrrt | hypn0: doesnt work for me. cant repeat as i cant even do them single time |
| 20:22.04 | qman__ | that's not something that can be taught |
| 20:22.10 | qman__ | you have to find it for yourself |
| 20:22.24 | bbDrrt | hypn0: even if i do them finally, i am exhausted and have to do nothing for weeks or months |
| 20:22.32 | bbDrrt | qman__: where and how to find it |
| 20:22.57 | bbDrrt | qman__: why have capitalism, why i cant buy pills that give you that? |
| 20:23.01 | qu | bbDrrt: Like I say, you have to just do it and get through it. You get stronger. |
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| 20:23.14 | qman__ | no pill is ever going to solve that problem |
| 20:23.25 | qman__ | no one can tell you, you yourself have to figure it out, that's just the way it is |
| 20:23.27 | fennesz | Guys I am following this tutorial http://pyside.readthedocs.org/en/latest/building/linux.html . I want to install pyside into a virtualenv . after building the pyside distribution , I have to $ bin/pip2.7 install ../dist/PySide-1.2.2-cp27-none-linux-x86_64.whl . |
| 20:23.27 | bbDrrt | qu 1.i cant "just do it". 2.i dont get stronger. it is proven for several times i didnt get stronger |
| 20:23.31 | qman__ | no noe can tell you what your purpose is |
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| 20:23.41 | qu | What does this mean for the nmap scan? nmap -T4 -A -v |
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| 20:23.48 | qu | bah |
| 20:23.48 | bbDrrt | qman__: tried to figure and fix it for years, not results |
| 20:23.50 | fennesz | I don't get it where this .whl file is and when it is created |
| 20:23.55 | bbDrrt | HELP |
| 20:24.06 | qu | What does this mean for the nmap scan? "tcpwrapped" |
| 20:24.06 | fennesz | Is this created with building the distribution? |
| 20:24.11 | yen0p | Hi o/ anyone can help me with Exim, i have a strange really strange issue :s |
| 20:24.31 | qu | bbDrrt: then you will sink to the bottom of the bowl. |
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| 20:24.40 | greycat | qu: It means nmap THINKS the service is controlled via Wietse's famous TCP wrapper library. |
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| 20:24.55 | bbDrrt | qu how to avoid that |
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| 20:25.42 | qu | greycat: I'm pretty sure this is RTP wrapping mp4. Is there a way to test further? |
| 20:26.13 | greycat | Start with that assumption, and use whatever software would be able to read that. |
| 20:26.20 | greycat | If it works, then your assumption was correct. |
| 20:26.25 | qu | kool |
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| 20:26.41 | qu | I have two other ports though which are a mystery. |
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| 20:26.55 | qu | 7001 & 8200 |
| 20:27.07 | bbDrrt | HELP HOW TO DO THINGS I WANT TO DO |
| 20:27.25 | qu | If 8200 is spitting out a datastream, how to capture/monitor that? |
| 20:27.25 | bsdtux | bbDrrt I belive the best thing is to just do them. |
| 20:27.26 | qman__ | just do them |
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| 20:27.44 | bsdtux | or pay someone to do them for you |
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| 20:28.17 | qu | bbDrrt doesn't actually want to do them, he has to but doesn't WANT to... {wah} |
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| 20:28.41 | bsdtux | qu do you happen to know what the camera model is by chance |
| 20:28.52 | bbDrrt | bsdtux: yes but i cant pay someone to brush my teeth |
| 20:29.00 | bbDrrt | not all things can be outsourced |
| 20:29.08 | bsdtux | Sure you can. It is called Assisted Living. |
| 20:29.12 | ompaul | heh |
| 20:29.41 | greycat | If you are willing to pay enough, you can get almost ANYTHING done for you. |
| 20:29.46 | qu | bsdtux: DS-2CD2132F-IS |
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| 20:30.07 | qu | lol |
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| 20:30.27 | hypn0 | not being able to brush teeth, seems pretty bad |
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| 20:30.42 | NoImNotNineVolt | i wonder if there's a lower bound on the age of healthy tenants accepted at assisted living places. |
| 20:31.04 | acz32 | NoImNotNineVolt: i doubt it. they'll take anyone's money |
| 20:31.15 | NoImNotNineVolt | "don't judge me, i'm just _that_ lazy." |
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| 20:31.22 | bbDrrt | hypn0: im not able to do anything that doesnt give gratification in minutes |
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| 20:31.43 | ompaul | bbDrrt: then you better get off irc it is very frustrating :) |
| 20:31.46 | qu | bsdtux: I've done alot of research on ports, and only the briefest descriptions are available. |
| 20:32.03 | qman__ | if you don't like your life then change it, no one else can do it for you |
| 20:32.13 | qman__ | there's no secret |
| 20:32.14 | bsdtux | qu yeah I just found a quick pdf and it have hardly any info |
| 20:32.15 | qman__ | just do |
| 20:32.23 | valdyn | qu: maybe that is because ports are a very simple concept |
| 20:32.26 | ompaul | qman__: it's mia for a bit as it bounced from ip to ip |
| 20:32.28 | qu | it's Chinese. -They- know what the formats are, so why should anyone else? |
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| 20:33.04 | qu | I found an SDK which implies it's RTP wrapping mp4, but it's the only clue in the world. |
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| 20:33.36 | qu | Is there a way to capture data from a port on the LAN that's just spewing like a firehose? |
| 20:34.10 | bsdtux | yes install wireshark and if using a switch set your port into port mirroring mode if using a cisco switch. |
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| 20:34.30 | qu | Used wireshark, but it's silent. |
| 20:34.41 | qu | telnet times out. |
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| 20:35.05 | qu | I'll study rtp more. |
| 20:35.09 | bsdtux | what switching technology do you use? Is this camera on the same subnet as you? |
| 20:35.35 | qu | Same subnet on a commercial Netgear PoEswitch. |
| 20:36.22 | qu | But the system running Wireshark is Kali in a VM, which is not in a comm session with the camera. Only trying to monitor the IP. |
| 20:36.23 | Night-Shade | you can get inline sniffing hardware or make it |
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| 20:37.09 | bsdtux | qu not sure if this is the switch you are using but here is netgear's documentation on port mirroring http://documentation.netgear.com/gs700ts/enu/202-10228-02/GS700TS_UM-09-12.html |
| 20:37.18 | bbDrrt | bsdtux: can i pay somebody to work for me? can i pay $100 to somebody to make $500 for me? |
| 20:37.22 | qu | The cam's software doesn't run in Linux... or I should say it has gray text on a gray background, so is invisible. |
| 20:37.32 | Night-Shade | http://dnlongen.blogspot.co.uk/2014/09/how-to-build-10-network-tap.html |
| 20:37.43 | bsdtux | sure you can. That is called contract negotiation |
| 20:37.52 | qman__ | that is the basis of most businesses, yes |
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| 20:37.59 | qu | bsdtux: Thanks but that's a managed switch. Mine's a dumb one. |
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| 20:38.24 | Night-Shade | qu: your options in that case are inline tap or arp posioning |
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| 20:38.34 | qu | bbDrrt: just relax and float to the bottom of the toilet bowl... |
| 20:38.36 | Marezz | Does debian have mesa 10.5? |
| 20:38.39 | Marezz | debian testing even |
| 20:38.51 | hypn0 | bbDrrt: is this an investment channel :-/ |
| 20:38.54 | bbDrrt | qman__: yes but in order to start buisness and to get it working you need to make some effort from you first. in uanble of that |
| 20:39.00 | qu | Night-Shade: Thx. More options is good. |
| 20:39.11 | bbDrrt | i am unable of that |
| 20:39.18 | qman__ | only because you decided you are |
| 20:39.27 | bsdtux | qu then you have 3 options. vampire tap or caneable (arp posioning) or find a true hub and place your camera and client into the hub and the hub into the switch |
| 20:39.32 | bbDrrt | qman__: i not decided. i only observed my inability |
| 20:39.54 | qu | bsdtux: Ok, thanks. |
| 20:40.10 | mtn | Marezz: http://packages.debian.org |
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| 20:40.34 | bbDrrt | HELP |
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| 20:40.36 | Marezz | mtn, I already looked there but I cant find my way around, thats why I asked here |
| 20:40.38 | Night-Shade | qu: you can use a real hub as a passive tap |
| 20:40.44 | acz32 | bbDrrt: what makes you come to #debian with your issues. see a doctor. you are depressed |
| 20:40.47 | bsdtux | bbDrrt please don't take this personally but whining woe is me will not accomplish anything. You either do stuff for yourself, hire someone, or quit complaining. |
| 20:40.57 | bbDrrt | acz32: doctors are not to help you |
| 20:41.04 | mtn | Marezz: huh. that is a really easy site to use. |
| 20:41.07 | acz32 | bbDrrt: neither are we |
| 20:41.13 | NoImNotNineVolt | if you can't find a real hub and don't mind canibalizing some ethernet cables, it's not hard to splice three cables together. |
| 20:41.16 | bbDrrt | acz32: depression is not a cause, its a result of inability of anything |
| 20:41.26 | NoImNotNineVolt | probably end up with some bad packet loss though :P |
| 20:41.36 | Marezz | mtn, I can use the site but package names are confusing to me, I just need mesa 10.4 or 10.5 for opensource gpu driver |
| 20:41.39 | bbDrrt | bsdtux: 1.cant do myself. 2.cant hire somebody else. what to do? |
| 20:41.50 | bbDrrt | acz32: so who will help me |
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| 20:41.55 | mtn | ,v mesa |
| 20:41.56 | Night-Shade | a well made inline tap on 100mbit is no packet loss |
| 20:41.57 | judd | No package named 'mesa' was found in amd64. |
| 20:42.08 | qman__ | get over yourself and stop whining, that is truly and honestly the solution |
| 20:42.13 | acz32 | bbDrrt: there is no magic behind success in life. either get help from a professional or never change and stop complaining |
| 20:42.15 | qman__ | if you need help doing that, go see a therapist |
| 20:42.16 | Night-Shade | as far as I know you need an active tap for 1gb or faster |
| 20:42.16 | NoImNotNineVolt | or maybe i'm making that up entirely. |
| 20:42.22 | bbDrrt | qman__: how to "get over yourself" |
| 20:42.23 | bsdtux | judd what does apt-cache search mesa bring back |
| 20:42.35 | bbDrrt | acz32: they cant and wont help in that |
| 20:42.45 | greycat | ,v mesa-utils |
| 20:42.47 | judd | Package: mesa-utils on amd64 -- squeeze: 7.7.1-6; squeeze-security: 7.7.1-6; wheezy: 8.0.1-2+b3; stretch: 8.2.0-1; jessie: 8.2.0-1; sid: 8.2.0-1 |
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| 20:42.53 | acz32 | bbDrrt: neither will i |
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| 20:43.01 | bbDrrt | qman__: therapist just get money for listening to stupid life "problems" |
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| 20:43.04 | greycat | I don't have a clue what all these libmesa* libs are or which one to ask for. |
| 20:43.07 | nkuttler | bbDrrt: this is a channel for technical support. please stay on topic |
| 20:43.12 | bbDrrt | acz32: who will then |
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| 20:43.38 | bbDrrt | nkuttler: where is a channel for UNABLE-TO-DO-ANYTHING then? |
| 20:43.45 | nkuttler | bbDrrt: ##chat |
| 20:43.45 | acz32 | bbDrrt: if a doctor can't help you then nobody can. you're out of luck |
| 20:43.54 | bbDrrt | nkuttler: doesnt work, requires registration |
| 20:43.59 | nkuttler | acz32: please don't encourage it |
| 20:44.08 | bbDrrt | acz32: doctors cant help nobody |
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| 20:44.14 | nkuttler | bbDrrt: #freenode for help with that |
| 20:44.18 | bbDrrt | acz32: if nobody help, will end it then |
| 20:44.43 | bbDrrt | either give help or will end |
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| 20:45.53 | bbDrrt | im waiting 10 minutes |
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| 20:46.24 | Owner | help do what |
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| 20:46.45 | qman__ | go right ahead, no one here can change your life for you |
| 20:46.47 | bbDrrt | Owner: help do ANYTHING. im unable to do anything that give reward after more than several minutes |
| 20:46.54 | bbDrrt | unable to brush teeth, unable anything |
| 20:46.54 | qman__ | it's all in your head |
| 20:47.07 | bbDrrt | qman__: its not. i am unable to change it |
| 20:47.07 | Owner | you cant brush your teeth? |
| 20:47.14 | nkuttler | !ops bbDrrt insist on discussing his personal problems in channel |
| 20:47.14 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: nkuttler complains about: bbDrrt insist on discussing his personal problems in channel |
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| 20:47.20 | qman__ | see a therapist, a priest, a family member, whatever, we don't care here |
| 20:47.23 | bbDrrt | Owner: yes because it doesnt give immediately reward |
| 20:48.10 | Owner | bbDrrt, but not doing it gives long term disadvantage |
| 20:48.14 | bbDrrt | qman__: i will destroy debian for that |
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| 20:48.24 | bbDrrt | Owner: EXACTLY |
| 20:48.32 | bbDrrt | Owner: i know that but it doesnt matter |
| 20:48.53 | NoImNotNineVolt | honestly, i don't see what the problem is. if it doesn't matter, then there's no problem. |
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| 20:49.03 | Owner | lol |
| 20:49.04 | bbDrrt | qman__: if i ever fix that and get money will use it to destroy debian OS |
| 20:49.25 | qman__ | good luck with that |
| 20:49.27 | Owner | bbDrrt, :D |
| 20:49.28 | bbDrrt | NoImNotNineVolt: i mean that i know i should and need to do it for long term benefits |
| 20:49.32 | acz32 | where are ops when you need them |
| 20:49.33 | peterS | bbDrrt: ummm, do you have anything debian-related to discuss? |
| 20:49.37 | bbDrrt | NoImNotNineVolt: but still i cant do it |
| 20:49.55 | Owner | bbDrrt, you know....you can just go do it |
| 20:49.56 | peterS | bbDrrt: admittedly I skimmed the past few minutes of traffic here, but I didn't see anything |
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| 20:50.02 | bbDrrt | Owner: no i cant |
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| 20:50.07 | NoImNotNineVolt | that's fine. not everyone needs to value long-term thinking. you don't. and that's okay. |
| 20:50.11 | Owner | bbDrrt, is your house full of trash? |
| 20:50.21 | bbDrrt | NoImNotNineVolt: i do VALUE long term thinking |
| 20:50.34 | NoImNotNineVolt | you think you do, but your actions prove otherwise. |
| 20:50.35 | bbDrrt | Owner: yes |
| 20:50.43 | peterS | Owner, NoImNotNineVolt: on topic please |
| 20:50.43 | NoImNotNineVolt | come to terms with not caring about the future. carpe diem. |
| 20:50.47 | NoImNotNineVolt | my apologies. |
| 20:50.57 | bbDrrt | NoImNotNineVolt: my thinking is long term, my actions are not. i dont have any control over my actions |
| 20:51.12 | Owner | bbDrrt, you should dpkg --purge the trash in your house |
| 20:51.15 | bbDrrt | how to have control over yourself? |
| 20:51.16 | Owner | thats immediate reward |
| 20:51.45 | nkuttler | peterS: well ok then |
| 20:51.49 | peterS | bbDrrt: for the last time: do you have anything debian-related to discuss? If so please switch to that |
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| 20:52.12 | bbDrrt | peterS: yes i need to have control so i can develop debian |
| 20:52.48 | bbDrrt | Owner: i dont see ANY reward in purging trash unless there is too much of trash |
| 20:52.48 | peterS | bbDrrt: so by 'develop debian' you mean this? <bbDrrt> qman__: if i ever fix that and get money will use it to destroy debian OS |
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| 20:53.12 | bbDrrt | peterS: if they help, will develop, if they dont, will destroy |
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| 20:53.35 | Owner | help with? |
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| 20:54.03 | nkuttler | bbDrrt: there is also #debian-offtopic |
| 20:54.06 | bbDrrt | Owner: help with having control over myself, being able to do things that give long term benefit but not immediate reward |
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| 20:54.20 | bbDrrt | peterS want to be on my list? |
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| 20:54.57 | bsdtux | boot to be handed out |
| 20:55.09 | Owner | footed |
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| 20:55.56 | adam_____ | hi, i wanna install debian, i'm currently on linux mint, and i have manually partitioned full disk encryption in linux mint, i did create /home partition and /swap /boot and "/" partitions and all are encrypted lvm except /boot partition. my question is can i install debian on this partition scheme by formating all other partitions but not /home ? |
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| 20:56.41 | greycat | adam_____: /msg dpkg debootstrap |
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| 20:57.17 | adam_____ | greycat: what is that? |
| 20:57.21 | greycat | I can't answer any questions about disk encryption, thouguh. |
| 20:57.23 | imsomeoneelse | hi everyone |
| 20:57.35 | adam_____ | sorry im not an expert user in linux, i recently came from windows |
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| 20:57.56 | donttrustem | I have added 2 users to the www-data group and one is the owner of the files .. I chmod -R g+w on the templates dir but only the user who created the file can edit it |
| 20:58.09 | nkuttler | adam_____: i have never tried it, but i'd assume the installer can re-use your encrypted home. #debian-boot on oftc will know |
| 20:58.23 | greycat | donttrustem: did the users log out and back in to pick up the new groups? |
| 20:58.37 | abrotman | spies a peterS! |
| 20:58.46 | donttrustem | greycat:yeah |
| 20:58.50 | peterS | abortman! |
| 20:58.54 | abrotman | Hiya |
| 20:58.56 | imsomeoneelse | I have a problem with the installer, essentially the very same problem with Bug#767682. I'm trying to install Jessie with netinstall image with RAID 1 on two SATA SSDs, but at the partition creation step it gets stuck at "Creating ext4 file system for / in partition #1 of RAID1 device #0" |
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| 20:59.06 | bsdtux | adam____ here is some information on the debbootstrap https://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap |
| 20:59.17 | imsomeoneelse | Is there any workaround to this? |
| 20:59.48 | greycat | donttrustem: use "id" as the user to verify group memberships, and use "ls -ld filename" to verify permissions. |
| 21:00.04 | imsomeoneelse | I cannot switch to a shell at this stage either, ctrl-alt-F keys doesn't do anything |
| 21:00.57 | donttrustem | greycat: uid=1003(mark) gid=1003(mark) groups=1003(mark),33(www-data) |
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| 21:02.15 | nkuttler | imsomeoneelse: the bug suggests that the boot record is the problem.. wipe it? |
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| 21:03.05 | adam_____ | greycat: bsdtux: if i install debian successfully on my partition scheme, without formating /home partition, will i get all my apps data back in debian? like firefox settings, bookmarks etc which are saved in /home ? |
| 21:03.18 | greycat | If you can mount it, yes. |
| 21:03.33 | imsomeoneelse | I did, I booted the box with a live image, removed the partitions with fdisk, and did a "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda" and same for the /dev/sdb, but that didn't change anything, next time I booted with the installer, same issue |
| 21:03.34 | donttrustem | greycat: I see the problem but not sure how to fix it â¦.. when the user creates the file they are the owner and group â¦. I need the group to be www-data |
| 21:03.36 | adam_____ | oh that is beautiful, linux rocks :) |
| 21:03.38 | nkuttler | adam_____: and if your application configs remain compatible |
| 21:03.38 | greycat | Also make sure you create your Debian user account with the same UID used in the /home partition. |
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| 21:03.56 | peterS | donttrustem: that's what 'chmod g+s /dir' is for actually. it gives you that behavior. |
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| 21:04.15 | nkuttler | imsomeoneelse: doesn't sound like you have the same problem then? |
| 21:04.20 | adam_____ | greycat: UID means? user name? |
| 21:04.20 | donttrustem | but it is not -rw-rw-r-- 1 karol karol 5895 Jun 3 21:42 node--property.tpl.php |
| 21:04.22 | peterS | donttrustem: in particular, in a directory with the g+s permission flag, all new files inherit the directory's group |
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| 21:04.26 | greycat | User ID number. |
| 21:04.36 | greycat | The number is what matters, not the name. |
| 21:04.45 | imsomeoneelse | nkuttler: symptom is the same, hence I am guessing it is the same problem |
| 21:04.57 | adam_____ | greycat: how will i be able to do that? |
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| 21:05.00 | donttrustem | OK ⦠I will recreate the files and see what happens :) |
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| 21:05.20 | greycat | adam_____: the user that is created during Debian installation will have UID 1000. If that's not what you want, just do "vipw" as root and change it. |
| 21:05.36 | greycat | adam_____: also "vigr" to change the GID (Group ID number) |
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| 21:06.23 | adam_____ | greycat: if i chmod my /home/myuser folder to allow everything, will it not be more easy? |
| 21:06.48 | greycat | adam_____: that would break your Mint installation. Seriously, just make the UIDs and GIDs match. |
| 21:06.54 | adam_____ | greycat: how can i see my current UID and GID in mint? |
| 21:06.58 | greycat | "id" |
| 21:07.34 | adam_____ | its a linux based on ubuntu |
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| 21:07.52 | peterS | we know what mint is. run 'id'. |
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| 21:08.03 | Agiofws | hey has anyone installed jessie? |
| 21:08.07 | greycat | yes |
| 21:08.15 | adam_____ | i'm going to install jessie :D |
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| 21:08.45 | Agiofws | do you have a problem with setting a second language for writing? |
| 21:08.52 | adam_____ | greycat: uid=1000(adam) gid=1000(adam) groups=1000(adam),4(adm),24(cdrom),27(sudo),30(dip),46(plugdev),108(lpadmin),110(sambashare) |
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| 21:09.02 | greycat | Are you asking GNOME questions again? I cannot help you with GNOME. I don't use GNOME. I don't know anything about GNOME. |
| 21:09.19 | peterS | adam_____: there you are. uid and gid are both 1000 which is the default for the first non-root user you create |
| 21:09.25 | greycat | adam_____: everything will probably just work, then. That's the same UID/GID Debian uses by default. |
| 21:09.31 | Agiofws | yes but how do i know if its gnomes fault? |
| 21:09.49 | Agiofws | or not |
| 21:09.59 | donttrustem | greycat: nope still created like this 1 mark mark 5895 Jun 3 23:09 node--property.tpl.php |
| 21:10.02 | peterS | step 1, assume it is probably gnome's fault.... |
| 21:10.24 | adam_____ | peterS: greycat: so i will not have to create same username? |
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| 21:10.52 | greycat | adam_____: name is not stored in the file system. only number is stored. |
| 21:11.10 | peterS | adam_____: certainly you will have to. But when you create a user in debian, by default it will get uid 1000 and gid 1000, so it will probably match the /home you have now |
| 21:11.40 | greycat | You can use a different username in Debian than you do in Mint, and as long as they both have UID 1000 GID 1000 you will have the same file access rights. |
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| 21:12.28 | adam_____ | peterS: yes that was what i thought, coz if i choose different name, it will not point to my current /home/adam/ folder, but thanks you both peterS: and greycat: i will be back here after i manage to install debian :) |
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| 21:12.45 | greycat | Well, you can change the home directory name in /etc/passwd too. |
| 21:12.50 | peterS | adam_____: it won't, but you can use 'vipw' to edit /etc/passwd and _make_ it point to /home/adam, if you really want |
| 21:12.53 | RayzrShrp | anybody know if I can run the console in fullscreen? |
| 21:13.21 | RayzrShrp | Im running debian virtualized under esxi but the console is what looks to be 640x480 and I would like it to be bigger |
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| 21:13.36 | donttrustem | is not sure how to fix this â¦. |
| 21:13.43 | adam_____ | peterS: i don't wanna complicate the issue, coz i'm new in linux and i might mess up things, i need to save my data on /home |
| 21:13.45 | peterS | RayzrShrp: oh, probably the 'openvm-tools' package gives you a way to control this. I don't use vmware so I can't be more specific |
| 21:14.13 | adam_____ | peterS: final verdict, if i choose same username in debian installation, it will be all ok? |
| 21:14.16 | greycat | donttrustem: use "ls -ld /the/directory" to verify the DIRECTORY permissions. The directory should be setgid for this to work as you said you wanted. |
| 21:14.20 | RayzrShrp | this is just the console though not running any gui at all |
| 21:15.15 | donttrustem | greycat: drwxrwx--- 10 mark www-data 4096 Jun 3 19:22 . |
| 21:15.19 | peterS | RayzrShrp: sorry, typo, package name is open-vm-tools |
| 21:15.27 | greycat | donttrustem: That's not setgid. That's why it's not working. |
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| 21:15.37 | greycat | donttrustem: chmod g+s . |
| 21:15.41 | peterS | RayzrShrp: it's the vmware guest tools, which interact with the host, and probably give you control over resizeable framebuffers, which is what you're talking about |
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| 21:15.50 | donttrustem | greycat: -R |
| 21:15.54 | greycat | (assuming you're actually IN the right directory, and too bad you obfuscated it...) |
| 21:15.58 | peterS | donttrustem: no, just the directory |
| 21:16.07 | greycat | do NOT do a recursive g+s |
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| 21:16.11 | peterS | donttrustem: well and any subdirectories. But you don't need it for files. |
| 21:16.22 | greycat | adding g+s to your files is a VERY bad idea |
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| 21:16.44 | greycat | g+s on a file has a completely different meaning than it does on a directory |
| 21:17.18 | donttrustem | but I need all sub directories to be the same :) |
| 21:17.23 | peterS | donttrustem: the dir should say drwxrws--- (s, not x) after the chmod. This indicates that newly created files will inherit the group. |
| 21:17.43 | peterS | donttrustem: neat thing about g+s on the dir: newly created _subdirectories_ will inherit not only the group but the g+s flag |
| 21:17.54 | greycat | donttrustem: if you want to do DIRS ONLY: find . -type d -exec chmod g+s {} + |
| 21:17.58 | c0de1 | hey |
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| 21:18.33 | donttrustem | ok |
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| 21:19.24 | donttrustem | that has fixed it |
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| 21:19.43 | peterS | also I'm not sure 2770 (drwxrws---) makes much sense for group www-data, in general. If you're letting your web server see something, what's the harm in letting other local users see it too? (drwxrwsr-x) |
| 21:19.49 | peterS | I know there are exceptions but in general.... |
| 21:20.15 | donttrustem | peterS: drwxrws--- 5 mark www-data 4096 Jun 1 13:02 bootstrap |
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| 21:23.05 | TrFaSu | Help !! sh: can't access tty; job control turned off" errors |
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| 21:23.35 | greycat | what did you do |
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| 21:24.18 | TrFaSu | Nothing my terminal froze |
| 21:24.43 | TrFaSu | It was not getting ctrl C |
| 21:24.49 | peterS | kids these days. in my day, why, we didn't have no job control or ansi colors or arrow keys. Or lowercase letters. And we liked it. |
| 21:25.22 | TrFaSu | Any1? |
| 21:25.32 | greycat | We had three colors! Black, green, and bold green! |
| 21:25.48 | peterS | and reverse video? |
| 21:25.55 | greycat | TrFaSu: Your problem description is completely useless. It has absolutely no useful details. |
| 21:26.11 | brandan` | with some clever refreshing of colors |
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| 21:26.19 | brandan` | you could have hundreds of shades of green |
| 21:26.23 | brandan` | stop complaining |
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| 21:26.58 | peterS | brandan`: how fast can you flicker a terminal at 9600 baud? Wait, did I say 9600, I meant 1200 |
| 21:27.04 | blackmagic | my web stuff is set to rw-rw---- on my apache folders.. :) |
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| 21:27.53 | TrFaSu | When i boot im seeing this error /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off. greycat: |
| 21:28.11 | greycat | TrFaSu: does everything work normally once you get a login prompt? |
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| 21:28.25 | qman__ | if the flicker signal is 8 bits, 150 times per second |
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| 21:28.48 | greycat | TrFaSu: If so, then it sounds like that's just one program's startup script failing because it was written for wheezy (sysvinit) and you're in jessie (systemd). |
| 21:29.22 | peterS | qman__: for 80 columns and 24 lines? really? because by my calculation, you can just about refresh a screen that size _once_ at 9600 baud |
| 21:29.56 | qman__ | well yeah, if you're flickering every character individually |
| 21:29.57 | greycat | once every 2 seconds or so, but it depends on how much of the screen is actually full |
| 21:30.02 | qman__ | I meant a whole screen flash |
| 21:30.18 | TrFaSu | greycat: no , actually i have dual boot pc, when i select my Debian, it starts booting and stops at this error. Im not getting login screen |
| 21:30.27 | peterS | qman__: is there some other method you propose to use on a 9600 baud monochrome terminal? because refreshing the whole screen is the only way _I_ know of here |
| 21:31.01 | qman__ | fair enough, I was thinking stuff like ncurses but that wouldn't really be there in that situation |
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| 21:31.15 | greycat | TrFaSu: Oh. Well, unfortunately I don't have the time to investigate a major boot failure right now. Sorry. |
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| 21:32.03 | Timothy3001 | hello there :) |
| 21:32.11 | brandan` | you just have to slap the side of your terminal at a specific frequency |
| 21:32.22 | TrFaSu | greycat: my problem is this. http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/ubuntu-63/bin-sh-can't-access-tty%3B-job-control-turned-off-474493/ |
| 21:32.28 | brandan` | manual shader calibration |
| 21:33.01 | peterS | brandan`: if you're content for the entire screen to be the same shade, probably easier to just use a smoked gel in front of the screen |
| 21:33.21 | peterS | or, you know, look around to see if it has a brightness knob |
| 21:33.21 | TrFaSu | greycat: n i m not on ubuntu |
| 21:34.25 | peterS | "Mrs. DrFaSu and the Rats of N I M" |
| 21:34.34 | greycat | TrFaSu: that's from 2006. Prooooobably not the same error now. |
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| 21:35.56 | TrFaSu | greycat : same is happening here. My shell is running in /dev/console . |
| 21:36.05 | imsomeoneelse | nkuttler: I stand corrected, it is not the same bug, I am having CPU soft lockup issues when trying mkfs.ext4 on RAID, which I have no clue why |
| 21:36.09 | Timothy3001 | i've a question concerning backups via tar. i only need one backup, so tar is fine and i dont need rsync or sth. But my actual question ist: When i want to restore, it simply copies all files back. but what if i'm using a different distro from the distro used in the backup? and how about a different version of the distro? does this work or am i gonna run into problems? |
| 21:37.39 | peterS | Timothy3001: tar is pretty universal. (It wasn't always so, there were different types of tar files. But you can be fairly confident in this day and age.) However, tar does include metadata such as user and group ID for each file. Whether those get restored by number (which may differ between hosts) or symbolically (user and group _names_) - depends |
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| 21:38.06 | blackmagic | Timothy3001: you can do that, on the same OS.. but you cant mix a debian backup to a centos backup if its system, but if its just your home folder. then yon can |
| 21:38.19 | peterS | actually with modern Linux I think you can usually depend on symbolic user + group name resolution in tar, as well |
| 21:38.20 | blackmagic | and to restore from the backup.. if its just the home folder, a simple tar -xf will suffice |
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| 21:38.42 | blackmagic | just make sure you perserve permissions and ownership and what not Timothy3001 |
| 21:38.54 | Timothy3001 | ok thanks a lot so far. actually i planned on backing up the whole system :/ |
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| 21:39.09 | blackmagic | then it has to match the same arch on the new system |
| 21:39.20 | blackmagic | i mean, common sense dictates that :) |
| 21:39.46 | peterS | well, restoring all your actual debian system files on top of an opensolaris or OS X or fedora system isn't going to end well |
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| 21:40.09 | blackmagic | peterS: i just stated that LOL :) |
| 21:40.12 | Timothy3001 | yeah i've looked up the commands to do so with tar. and there's always the hint and param for saving also the user stuff |
| 21:40.29 | blackmagic | what Timothy3001? |
| 21:40.34 | blackmagic | saving also the user stuff? |
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| 21:40.51 | blackmagic | tar -pcf /tmp/backup.tar /home/user is what i use |
| 21:40.52 | peterS | Timothy3001: the main thing is, you don't restore straight in place to the root of the new system. because that'll include all kinds of stuff you _don't_ want to overwrite. you restore to a temporary location, then move the stuff you really care about into place |
| 21:41.06 | blackmagic | ^ Timothy3001 |
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| 21:41.18 | Timothy3001 | i'm sorry im no expert :D i was talking about the permissions of the files |
| 21:41.27 | Timothy3001 | ok thank you |
| 21:41.31 | blackmagic | Timothy3001: long story short, you can google for any backup script and get an idea and such |
| 21:41.44 | blackmagic | Timothy3001: to perserve those, i think its the -p flag for tar |
| 21:42.14 | blackmagic | i use tar -cpjf file.tar.gz /home for my production servers |
| 21:42.16 | peterS | blackmagic: true but don't worry about it in 'tar c' mode, c mode always includes permissions. the question is whether you apply them in extract mode. |
| 21:42.33 | blackmagic | peterS: thats right, i'm sorry. |
| 21:42.51 | blackmagic | i wrote a backup.sh and restore.sh so i dont have to do it all manually :P |
| 21:42.59 | peterS | also it's ... odd ... to use tar -j and then name your bzip2 file "file.tar.gz" (: |
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| 21:43.26 | blackmagic | tar -cpjf ${backup}/${i}-"${date}".tar.bz2 ${backup}/${i}-"${date}".sql; rm -rf ${backup}/${i}-"${date}".sql |
| 21:43.36 | blackmagic | peterS: again, you're correct..i meant .bz2 lol |
| 21:43.50 | blackmagic | 10 hours at work.. drains the brains. |
| 21:44.36 | blackmagic | the tar command i pasted Timothy3001, is the example of what i use |
| 21:44.38 | peterS | finally, note bzip2 is kinda obsolete now, xz is denser _and_ more efficient. I mean bzip2 continues to work fine, it's just not that great a choice anymore. |
| 21:44.41 | Timothy3001 | ok thank you. the problem is, i don't want to waste too much space for backing up. so best thing would be to have an image file which contains a whole system. but since i need a lot of space of that, i thought tar would be a good alternative. but if i got you right, i still need an original distro-image for backing up right? |
| 21:44.44 | blackmagic | you can adapt it to your backup |
| 21:44.45 | Timothy3001 | *restore |
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| 21:44.54 | blackmagic | peterS: does tar support .xz ? |
| 21:45.03 | Timothy3001 | ok thanks a lot |
| 21:45.07 | peterS | it does indeed |
| 21:45.25 | blackmagic | Timothy3001: you can do daily backups, and use find to delete the old files |
| 21:45.35 | peterS | and even if it didn't it's not like it's hard to pipe through an external utility. people were doing that for years before gnu tar came around with the -z flag (and later -j) |
| 21:45.39 | blackmagic | find ${backup} -mtime +10 -exec rm {} \; = anything older then 10 days, delete |
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| 21:46.03 | blackmagic | peterS: i dont like long lines..so if i can avoid piping and stuff, i do. |
| 21:46.35 | peterS | which brings us to one of my favorite shell features everyone forgets about: you can break a line immediately after any "|" without any special continuation character like \ |
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| 21:47.07 | blackmagic | so, i replace my -j with -J for .xz? |
| 21:47.08 | peterS | so like, "tar c /home |" (newline) "xz > file.tar.xz" |
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| 21:47.16 | NoImNotNineVolt | i did not know that. thank you for helping me further obfuscate my shell scripts :) |
| 21:47.20 | peterS | voila, no long lines |
| 21:47.32 | blackmagic | NoImNotNineVolt: do what? |
| 21:47.49 | peterS | NoImNotNineVolt: it's great. I see shell lines that end in |\ and I'm like, you know the \ is not needed in that case, right? |
| 21:47.49 | blackmagic | peterS: i assume (newline) is \n for the second command? |
| 21:48.04 | NoImNotNineVolt | peterS: do you also use . instead of source? |
| 21:48.11 | blackmagic | i use . :D |
| 21:48.11 | peterS | NoImNotNineVolt: same goes for && or ||, you don't need \ to end a line with those either |
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| 21:48.22 | NoImNotNineVolt | . is the bane of my existence. |
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| 21:48.30 | peterS | NoImNotNineVolt: usually I use ., yes, because source is a bashism and most of my scripts are /bin/sh-agnostic |
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| 21:48.50 | blackmagic | i refuse to do .sh styling scripts.. lol |
| 21:48.55 | NoImNotNineVolt | valid reasoning, but still. readability. |
| 21:49.09 | NoImNotNineVolt | dreads the day he sees one of peterS's scripts |
| 21:49.10 | blackmagic | i hate the entire code features on /bin/sh..plus im spoiled by bash haha |
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| 21:49.21 | blackmagic | all my scripts are public :D |
| 21:50.01 | peterS | NoImNotNineVolt: well at work, often I do get lazy and use a bashism or two. but I hate having to admit to myself that I really do need to change #!/bin/sh to #!/bin/bash at the top |
| 21:50.15 | peterS | in particular, of late, I've been using bash arrays a lot |
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| 21:50.39 | peterS | traditional bourne and posix shell isn't great for more complex data structures |
| 21:51.01 | NoImNotNineVolt | while i appreciate the correctness that you strive for, think of the people reading your code [that aren't correctness-aficionados]! |
| 21:51.43 | blackmagic | most people who use scripts, hardly read the source code..they just fetch and let'er rip |
| 21:51.48 | NoImNotNineVolt | i remember when i was a shell scripting noob (more so than i am today) and coming across my first . |
| 21:51.49 | peterS | NoImNotNineVolt: oh, I like to think I make up for it in other ways. like saying "if foo; then" instead of "foo" (newline) "if [ $? = 0 ]" (newline) "then" |
| 21:52.07 | peterS | NoImNotNineVolt: so on balance I like to think my scripts are more readable even when I take shortcuts not everyone is comfortable with |
| 21:52.18 | NoImNotNineVolt | hopefully. i'll drink to that. |
| 21:52.22 | blackmagic | peterS: i hope you put some form of failure check in your scripts :) |
| 21:52.44 | Timothy3001 | Ok, i think i'm on the wrong path, and probably explained it because of my lack of knowledge, im sorry... What I'd actually want to do is creating a snapshot of the whole system. jjust like using dd. But these image files always become huge and i wanted to avoid that... |
| 21:52.53 | blackmagic | if [[ $? -eq 0 ]]; then do something;fi for example :P |
| 21:52.58 | peterS | blackmagic: oh like the 'set -e' I almost always use? |
| 21:53.14 | blackmagic | Timothy3001: you can do image snapshots |
| 21:53.20 | blackmagic | but.. you cant use the image as a installer |
| 21:53.25 | peterS | blackmagic: wait ... from your last comment it sounds like you don't really understand what 'if foo; then' means |
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| 21:53.31 | blackmagic | unless your doing a squashfs style image |
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| 21:53.42 | blackmagic | if <whatever>; then do this;fi |
| 21:53.49 | blackmagic | correct peterS? |
| 21:53.56 | Timothy3001 | i know i can, but these are getting huge |
| 21:54.17 | peterS | blackmagic: well, you suggested "if [[ $? = 0 ]]" right after I explained why I use the shorter 'if foo' construction. As though the extra [[ ]] test were better in some way |
| 21:54.22 | blackmagic | if $(uptime >/dev/null 2>&1);then echo "success";fi |
| 21:54.34 | blackmagic | peterS: that was for the 'failure check' comment |
| 21:54.37 | peterS | blackmagic: that makes it seem as though you don't understand how the two are actually equivalent and my preferred idiom is much shorter |
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| 21:55.23 | blackmagic | i mean, ive used if foo; then before, but i just like the formatting of, if [[ foo ]]; then.. not sure why but i do |
| 21:55.43 | peterS | blackmagic: wtf man. "if foo" and "if [[ foo ]]" are not _at all_ the same thing |
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| 21:56.16 | blackmagic | depends on what 'foo' is.. |
| 21:56.21 | peterS | no it does not |
| 21:56.22 | blackmagic | foo=1. are the same thing |
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| 21:57.11 | blackmagic | foo=1; if $foo; then, if [[ $foo ]]; then. for example. or im mis-understanding your usage and or example. |
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| 21:57.56 | peterS | blackmagic: have you tried that? because you're wrong. 'if $foo' and 'if [[ $foo ]]' give opposite results if foo=1 |
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| 21:58.17 | peterS | specifically [[ $foo ]] tests to see if $foo is set to a non-empty string. $foo instead tries to run a command called $foo |
| 21:58.42 | blackmagic | oh, 'if $foo' executes the variable |
| 21:58.43 | peterS | so unless you have a command called "1" in your path, "if $foo" will fail, whereas "if [[ $foo ]]" will succeed |
| 21:58.46 | blackmagic | and or command |
| 21:58.46 | peterS | yep |
| 21:59.04 | blackmagic | so your if foo, is the same as how i do it, if $(foo); then |
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| 21:59.14 | peterS | yeah but without the confusing $( ) |
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| 21:59.38 | blackmagic | actually, based on shellcheck $() is suggested over 'if command' and 'if `command`' |
| 21:59.49 | peterS | if you put $( ) in there, then you have to make sure the command produces no output, or you'll likely get a syntax error |
| 22:00.06 | peterS | if you don't, then whatever output you get, just gets passed to the shell's output, as one would expect |
| 22:00.10 | blackmagic | yeah..i use >/dev/null 2>&1 on EVERYTHING these days lol |
| 22:00.27 | peterS | so you're adding not only $( ) but >/dev/null 2>&1. that... doesn't seem like an improvement, to me (: |
| 22:00.37 | blackmagic | i even got a bumper sticker with 'you >/dev/null 2>&1' |
| 22:00.46 | peterS | in particular, most of the time, if something's gonna produce an error, I'd like to _see_ the error |
| 22:00.56 | blackmagic | peterS: its not about improvements, its about writing scripts that low end users can read and understand |
| 22:01.10 | peterS | blackmagic: as opposed to scripts that, if something goes wrong, you can actually tell what happened? |
| 22:01.14 | blackmagic | >/dev/null 2>logfile is how i do error reporting |
| 22:01.44 | blackmagic | or i use: if [[ $? -eq 1 ]]; then errorreport $OUTPUT;fi |
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| 22:01.53 | peterS | 2>logfile is also a bit flawed, IMO, as it assumes 'logfile' will be empty, or it's OK to overwrite whatever might already be there |
| 22:02.14 | blackmagic | i agree |
| 22:02.21 | blackmagic | i tail -f logfile before i run the script lol |
| 22:02.33 | blackmagic | as the stuff i write.. hardly fails.. |
| 22:02.43 | peterS | might be a better habit to use 2>> instead of 2> so you append instead of overwrite |
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| 22:04.46 | blackmagic | yeah |
| 22:04.55 | blackmagic | i was just checking my cheatsheet |
| 22:04.58 | peterS | blackmagic: finally, might I suggest 'exec 3>>logfile' at the top of the script, then every time you want to send something there, simply '2>&3' |
| 22:05.02 | blackmagic | ffmpeg -i $f -vcodec mpeg4 -acodec libmp3lame -qscale:v 2 -qscale:a 5 ${f%.mkv}.avi >>logfile 2>&1 |
| 22:05.13 | blackmagic | holy crap |
| 22:05.13 | peterS | blackmagic: that way you only have to hardcode the logfile name once |
| 22:05.17 | blackmagic | i didnt know about that |
| 22:05.27 | blackmagic | and time to write it down |
| 22:06.12 | peterS | blackmagic: 'exec' in general is how you open and close files in a script for more than a single command at a time. to open a file, use '3>>logfile' or whatever (for file descriptor 3), to close a file, '3>&-' |
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| 22:06.42 | blackmagic | when using 2>&3.. does it eat IO up? |
| 22:06.46 | peterS | which is to say, these are just normal redirections, but the exec command is special in that they apply to the whole script going forward |
| 22:06.52 | blackmagic | because of the massive output and stuff? |
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| 22:07.06 | peterS | 2>&3 means open file descriptor 2 (stderr) as a duplicate of existing file descriptor 3 |
| 22:07.30 | peterS | if you're wondering if this is an efficiency problem, no, this stuff all happens in the kernel |
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| 22:07.46 | peterS | the shell just opens and closes files like any program would, it doesn't have to shuttle data back and forth manually |
| 22:07.52 | blackmagic | but when you dump lines into '3'.. does it cause a higher io load? |
| 22:08.12 | blackmagic | i ask, cause my test servers are only 128MB slices.. when running installer scripts i write |
| 22:08.25 | peterS | fd 2 (stderr) and fd 3 (the file you just opened) are equivalent in that regard |
| 22:08.33 | blackmagic | ah |
| 22:08.35 | blackmagic | got'cha |
| 22:08.52 | peterS | if you dump a lot of data to a file, it doesn't really matter whether you do it with foo 2>>x or exec 3>>x; foo 2>&3 |
| 22:09.27 | blackmagic | i found a script, that uses a VAR for output, then dumps it at the end with a cat >> |
| 22:09.30 | peterS | in fact if you know your _whole_ script should be logged to a file, you can 'exec 2>>logfile' at the top and then skip all the 2>... later |
| 22:09.59 | blackmagic | i'll write a function for logging with that hint |
| 22:10.02 | peterS | this is of course a bit inflexible because you can't get your _original_ stderr back after you've opened the logfile. But sometimes that may be what you want. |
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| 22:10.24 | FuZi0N | I'm trying to decide which distro to use between Gentoo Hardened and Debian+Grsecurity/pax. I understand that Gentoo Hardened has a hardened toolchain and userland but Debian does not. That being said, is it possible to harden the toolchain and userland in Debain to acheive the same level of security? |
| 22:10.29 | blackmagic | so if i use 2, i cant get it back til reboot? |
| 22:10.40 | peterS | no, you can't get it back until the script exits |
| 22:10.47 | blackmagic | ohhhhh |
| 22:11.07 | blackmagic | FuZi0N: not sure, i dont use any of that on my personal servers.. i just lock it down to prevent that |
| 22:11.59 | peterS | now if you want to save / restore a file descriptor, there are tricks to do this, but once you're that deep in, it's usually easier to just not do 'exec 2>...' at all, and rely on other file descriptors |
| 22:12.13 | blackmagic | yeah i wouldnt do 'exec 2>' |
| 22:12.22 | blackmagic | just because of that headache.. |
| 22:12.47 | blackmagic | back in the day, i used to use LOGFILE="/dev/null" then id use command >> $LOGFILE |
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| 22:14.01 | peterS | for all you can use exec to manage open file descriptors, note you still have to manually manage the fd _numbers_. so if you say 'exec 3>logfile', you have to remember later that what you want is fd 3 and that you shouldn't reuse fd 3 for something else |
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| 22:14.31 | peterS | so if you're opening and closing a lot of files, at that point you've probably outgrown POSIX shell and even bash and should move on to perl or something |
| 22:14.44 | blackmagic | yeah |
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| 22:15.14 | blackmagic | i dont open fd's, never really knew bout it til now |
| 22:15.36 | peterS | my scripts usually start out in shell but once they reach a threshold of complexity I rewrite the whole thing in perl. I don't know why I can't learn the lesson and just start with perl every time. because I always seem to underestimate how complex the script will need to get. |
| 22:15.57 | blackmagic | i know that feeling |
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| 22:16.59 | peterS | final neat shell redirection trick: you can put the redirect _anywhere_ on the command line, it doesn't have to go last |
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| 22:17.17 | blackmagic | wait |
| 22:17.21 | peterS | so for example, if I'm going to do several 'echo ... >> xyz' statements, I put the ... _after_ the >>xyz, not _before_ |
| 22:17.23 | blackmagic | what?* |
| 22:17.25 | peterS | that way everything lines up nicely |
| 22:17.33 | peterS | echo >> xyz 'This is a test' |
| 22:17.44 | blackmagic | holy crap |
| 22:17.49 | peterS | echo >> xyz 'As is this, and it doesnt matter if they are similar lengths' |
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| 22:18.05 | peterS | echo >> xyz 'The syntactic elements line up nicely regardless' |
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| 22:18.28 | civillian | what about >> xyz echo 'foo' |
| 22:18.37 | blackmagic | only works with echo? |
| 22:18.43 | peterS | civillian: sure. not my style, but you can. |
| 22:18.55 | peterS | blackmagic: no, but echo is where this trick seems to be most useful |
| 22:18.57 | blackmagic | i ask, cause you didnt use any common binary |
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| 22:18.58 | civillian | mind blown |
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| 22:19.17 | blackmagic | how would you do it with a command with switches? |
| 22:19.24 | blackmagic | command -f -a -g >> file |
| 22:19.38 | blackmagic | oh sorry, i just hit random keys, i didnt mean it to spell that |
| 22:20.14 | peterS | blackmagic: as I said, the readability improvement mostly comes with something simple like echo. but sure, 'command >> file -x -y -z', or whatever. whatever seems most readable. |
| 22:20.37 | blackmagic | yeah i dont use echo much |
| 22:20.51 | blackmagic | i have a 'echo' function i wrote with coloring and stuff |
| 22:21.02 | peterS | also if you have a block of commands that should all be redirected together, use (cmd1; cmd2; cmd3) >> file. Or, if you don't like the unnecessary subshell implied by (), use { cmd1; cmd2; cmd3; } >> file |
| 22:21.06 | blackmagic | but im SURE it wont work with that formatting |
| 22:21.21 | blackmagic | i use the subshell method alot.. |
| 22:21.39 | blackmagic | shellcheck doesnt like { a;b;c; } unless you use it their way |
| 22:21.43 | peterS | one gotcha with that: while ( ) do not care, { } insist on a newline or ; before the } character. |
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| 22:22.07 | blackmagic | {\n a;n\b;n\c;n\ } is how shell check likes it |
| 22:22.26 | blackmagic | yeah i learned the hardway lol peterS |
| 22:22.33 | blackmagic | i forgot the ;'s.. |
| 22:22.38 | peterS | so shellcheck is something that enforces some particular person or company's style guide? |
| 22:22.59 | blackmagic | it reads your script, looking for outdated/incorrect formatting |
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| 22:23.24 | peterS | from what you say, it sounds like the shellcheck author wouldn't really care for my preferred style, or vice versa |
| 22:23.32 | blackmagic | In fail2ban-badbots-update.sh line 6: grep -h -B4 '<td class="smallcell" nowrap>S </td>'\ |
| 22:23.32 | blackmagic | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:23.40 | blackmagic | is a 'report' |
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| 22:24.11 | blackmagic | green is warning, yellow is error on the reports.. that one i pasted is GREEN |
| 22:24.15 | peterS | yeah I guess I don't understand that warning, I see nothing wrong with the original grep statement |
| 22:24.17 | blackmagic | http://www.shellcheck.net/ |
| 22:24.32 | blackmagic | just run their test you see on load |
| 22:24.36 | blackmagic | it will give you a few examples |
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| 22:25.10 | peterS | now I might flag the same line for using a GNU-ism (grep -B) |
| 22:25.20 | blackmagic | everytime i mark a script 'complete', i run shellcheck and fix all my 'errors' or lazy-ness |
| 22:25.28 | blackmagic | LOL peterS |
| 22:25.39 | peterS | it's true, try grep -B on solaris and see how that works out (: |
| 22:25.57 | blackmagic | i refuse to use solaris.. :) |
| 22:26.11 | blackmagic | i have a sol8 box.. used it like uhm, 4 times? |
| 22:26.28 | blackmagic | did you checkout shellcheck.net peterS? |
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| 22:28.36 | peterS | I got to the part where it's written in haskell which is always a ton of fun to build and run, so I didn't |
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| 22:28.54 | blackmagic | uh, i dont build it |
| 22:29.02 | jordila | dear #debian community ... newbie here, i'mt trying to install Owncloud, as per http://www.debianadmin.com/install-owncloud-on-debian-7-6-wheezy.html |
| 22:29.05 | blackmagic | i got a copy for wget..and its in apt-get repos :D |
| 22:29.35 | blackmagic | so what went wrong jordila? |
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| 22:29.39 | jordila | but i'm getting a " N: Ignoring file '#owncloud.list#' in directory '/etc/apt/sources.list.d/' as it has an invalid filename extension" |
| 22:29.43 | blackmagic | thats how i do it :) |
| 22:29.55 | blackmagic | uhm |
| 22:29.59 | jordila | what am i missing ? Thanks ! |
| 22:30.01 | peterS | jordila: that's probably a temporary file left behind by your text editor. you can ignore the warning |
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| 22:30.09 | jordila | thanks blackmagic and peterS |
| 22:30.15 | blackmagic | he should check his repo dir incase |
| 22:30.28 | blackmagic | cause ive NEVER had that happen and i do it that way everytime |
| 22:30.56 | peterS | jordila: or figure out why your editor left that file behind - did you forget to save it? I mean, it may be an autosave file that can be restored in the event that you need the unsaved data, and as such it'll be removed when you _do_ save |
| 22:31.24 | jordila | mmmh---yes peterS ... it's probably caused by my Emacs config |
| 22:31.27 | jordila | :-/ |
| 22:31.37 | blackmagic | ew, emac |
| 22:31.49 | peterS | jordila: nothing wrong with that, it probably just means you didn't save the file. Or you made some changes after you saved, and didn't save those changes |
| 22:31.57 | peterS | and emacs is being good about letting you get those changes back if need be |
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| 22:32.25 | jordila | let me check... emacs is always leaving files like myfile.txt~ behind... |
| 22:32.33 | blackmagic | if he followed that guide, he wouldnt have to edit anything.. |
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| 22:32.46 | blackmagic | unless he copied the '#' with it lol |
| 22:32.49 | jordila | sure blackmagic.... |
| 22:33.00 | jordila | you're right... |
| 22:33.12 | r3m | ,v conky |
| 22:33.12 | peterS | blackmagic: wait, wtf? it warns for "[] around ranges in tr"? That is necessary for portability! |
| 22:33.17 | judd | Package: conky on amd64 -- squeeze/contrib: 1.8.0-1+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 1.9.0-2~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1.9.0-2; wheezy-proposed-updates: 1.9.0-2+deb7u1; sid: 1.9.0-6; stretch: 1.9.0-6; jessie: 1.9.0-6 |
| 22:33.20 | jordila | the fact is that i had to edit ( Debian 7.0 >> Debian 8.0 ) |
| 22:33.25 | blackmagic | rule 1, never copy and paste |
| 22:33.34 | jordila | :-) |
| 22:33.34 | blackmagic | peterS: what color is the warning ? |
| 22:33.43 | jordila | mmmh... no color, |
| 22:33.52 | peterS | blackmagic: dunno, http://www.shellcheck.net/about.html is just black on white |
| 22:33.57 | blackmagic | jordila: you can fix that on the ECHO aswell. |
| 22:33.58 | jordila | although, as you suggested...seems to be just a warning... |
| 22:34.12 | jordila | now i can 'apt-get install' ... |
| 22:34.14 | blackmagic | echo âdeb http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/isv:/ownCloud:/community/Debian_8.0/ /' >> /etc/apt/sources.list.d/owncloud.list |
| 22:34.24 | blackmagic | for example. |
| 22:34.43 | jordila | yep, just to learn... let me try again with your suggestion ... :-) |
| 22:34.52 | blackmagic | it should output SC#### in a color on that page |
| 22:34.53 | peterS | blackmagic: good that you warned against copy and paste, because your echo has a ` in it that you probably did not intend |
| 22:35.13 | blackmagic | no it doesnt |
| 22:35.23 | peterS | <blackmagic> echo âdeb http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/isv:/ownCloud:/community/Debian_8.0/ /' >> /etc/apt/sources.list.d/owncloud.list |
| 22:35.27 | jordila | ah... you're right peterS , i added an extra (faulty `... ) |
| 22:35.35 | jordila | thanks ! |
| 22:35.40 | blackmagic | please point it out peterS |
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| 22:35.49 | blackmagic | all i see is 'echo /' |
| 22:36.00 | peterS | blackmagic: maybe your font doesn't show it very well? echo `deb |
| 22:36.25 | blackmagic | echo 'deb ; echo `deb |
| 22:36.42 | blackmagic | i can tell the difference in those, but not in the above line i pasted |
| 22:37.13 | blackmagic | ah..yeah you're right |
| 22:37.28 | peterS | well, the line as it came through to my IRC client has ASCII 96 before the word deb |
| 22:37.38 | blackmagic | its the formatting..i copied that line from the webpage, then edited the 7.0 to 8.0 |
| 22:37.40 | blackmagic | as an example |
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| 22:38.01 | peterS | so someone's putting incorrect quotes on a webpage? lovely. |
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| 22:38.25 | blackmagic | yeah, debianadmin.org is flagged as a virus site on my browser |
| 22:38.26 | jordila | It's working now... ! . i love #debian |
| 22:38.34 | blackmagic | welcome jordila |
| 22:38.39 | jordila | :-) |
| 22:39.06 | peterS | blackmagic: I will say most of the things shellcheck.net claims to catch are either flat out incorrect, or things I would agree are probably incorrect in context |
| 22:39.16 | peterS | blackmagic: but, yeah, not quite all |
| 22:39.34 | jordila | ***(that's why i'm choosing debian gnu/linux in all my costumers VPS ) |
| 22:39.44 | blackmagic | peterS: but shellcheck is very useful to find those errors/improper formatting that you over looked or didnt notice. |
| 22:39.56 | blackmagic | jordila: your going to provide VPS's with JUST debian? |
| 22:40.15 | blackmagic | why not just host a single owncloud instance, then make normal user accounts? |
| 22:40.32 | peterS | _if_ it finds all the things on the about.html page, _and_ does not get a lot of false positives, it may have some value |
| 22:40.50 | peterS | from what you said earlier it sounds as though it does get false positives, though |
| 22:40.55 | blackmagic | if you couldnt fix that repo issue, i dont think you should sell/provide anything.. |
| 22:40.58 | blackmagic | it does |
| 22:41.08 | blackmagic | which is only reported as WARNINGS, not ERRORS |
| 22:41.13 | inzaf | i have to change something here for a static compile ? |
| 22:41.14 | inzaf | DYLIB_EXTENSION="so" |
| 22:41.14 | inzaf | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:41.24 | blackmagic | but normally i can write stuff without shellcheck whining |
| 22:41.44 | jordila | blackmagic ... i mean that when always i'm deploying a VPS from scratch , i choose Debian gnu/linux |
| 22:41.51 | blackmagic | ohhh jordila |
| 22:41.53 | blackmagic | sorry |
| 22:41.58 | jordila | :-D |
| 22:42.06 | jordila | thank you guys |
| 22:42.18 | blackmagic | well its time to wake up the ol' ball and chain..later fellas |
| 22:42.49 | imsomeoneelse | anybody have problems with installing Jessie with soft raid (mdadm)? |
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| 22:43.14 | inzaf | . /root/libssh-0.1/libssh/options.c:126: warning: Using 'getpwent' in statically linked applications requires at runtime the shared libraries from the glibc version used for linking |
| 22:43.14 | inzaf | . /root/libssh-0.1/libssh/options.c:129: warning: Using 'endpwent' in statically linked applications requires at runtime the shared libraries from the glibc version used for linking |
| 22:43.55 | peterS | inzaf: it's true. if you want to use NSS functions like getpwent, you can't really do fully static linking |
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| 22:44.31 | peterS | inzaf: I mean, you _can_, but it may not have the effect you intend, as the correct versions of the dynamic NSS libraries will still need to be present on the target system |
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| 22:45.32 | peterS | inzaf: so, well, see if you can do without NSS functions like getpwnam() or getpwent() or gethostbyname(), or see if you can do without static linking, or commit to making sure the correct versions of those NSS libraries will be available |
| 22:45.55 | p-trust | how's called a mini tool to find a SSH port rapidly ? |
| 22:47.06 | StuckMojo | so what's the story with aptitude these days? it was the "preferred" tool for a while, now it seems it's all built on the same libs to it doesn't matter...but aptitude seems to do a better job of getting out of conflicts... |
| 22:47.41 | StuckMojo | nm, dpkg has info |
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| 22:49.34 | peterS | StuckMojo: yeah these days many people prefer the dependency resolver algorithm in apt. but aptitude is still more useful, for me, because of its other features, mainly its full-screen mode |
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| 22:50.48 | inzaf | which is the way to do without NSS functions ? |
| 22:51.36 | peterS | inzaf: huh? just search through your code for NSS functions and when you find one, figure out whether it's really necessary or whether you can either rewrite the functionality in some other way, or remove it |
| 22:52.17 | peterS | inzaf: the warning you got was about getpwent() and endpwent() - those go together. if you don't need getpwent() you automatically don't need endpwent() either |
| 22:52.40 | StuckMojo | peterS: i got in the habit years ago using it because of it's better deps resolution |
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| 22:53.00 | StuckMojo | but now i'm finally upgrading off squeeze and it wants me to use apt isntead |
| 22:53.05 | StuckMojo | instead even |
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| 22:53.39 | peterS | StuckMojo: see, I think its _default_ dependency resolution isn't as good, but it lets you explore alternate scenarios in the full-screen mode and ultimately lets you do whatever you want. so that's why I use it. |
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| 22:54.55 | peterS | for example on many of our systems at work, running squeeze, we had not marked portmap as auto-installed. so the wheezy upgrade was going to break because portmap conflicts with rpcbind, which is basically the new portmap. but in full-screen aptitude it's easy to detect this situation, flip the auto-install flag on for portmap, and the rest of the solution fixes itself. |
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| 23:02.38 | StuckMojo | peterS: yeah |
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| 23:10.09 | JohnnyL | my system boot doesn't seem to work any more(maybe corruption from the drive dropping???) how can i just fix the os and not everything else? |
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| 23:11.03 | mtn | JohnnyL: which version of debian and what happens when you try to boot? |
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| 23:18.14 | JohnnyL | mtn: 8.0. it was just working yesterday without changes. it's super slow for grub boot option to show and then i just hangs (maybe super slow???). |
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| 23:21.18 | JohnnyL | mtn: still there? |
| 23:21.21 | mtn | JohnnyL: where does it stop booting and how long did you wait? |
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| 23:21.46 | JohnnyL | i wate for about 1 inute as the was black. |
| 23:21.51 | JohnnyL | waited |
| 23:21.55 | JohnnyL | minute |
| 23:21.58 | JohnnyL | sorry |
| 23:22.04 | mtn | JohnnyL: you could try fixing grub. |
| 23:22.13 | JohnnyL | i waited for about 1 minute as the was black. |
| 23:22.16 | JohnnyL | mtn: ok |
| 23:22.16 | mtn | !fixgrub |
| 23:22.17 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
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| 23:25.27 | JohnnyL | mtn: what is target in 'mount --bind /dev/target/dev' ? |
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| 23:26.05 | mtn | JohnnyL: do you have the debian install disk? just go into rescue mode. very easy |
| 23:26.27 | JohnnyL | mtn: ok thanks! |
| 23:26.35 | JohnnyL | will try now. |
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| 23:27.48 | eletious | Hello! |
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| 23:31.26 | JohnnyL | mtn: thank you. |
| 23:31.33 | mtn | JohnnyL: welcome |
| 23:34.03 | eletious | Quick question - I have a server running apache that I'm tired of connecting to with IP... |
| 23:34.09 | eletious | How would I go about setting up a local domain so I don't have to remember it? Do I have to add every machine on my network to a â achernya |
| 23:34.11 | eletious | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:34.23 | eletious | Wow that was a mess. Sorry guys |
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