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| 01:43.51 | jeffrey3234 | I've tried to create a systemd startup script from these instructions: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/47695/how-to-write-startup-script-for-systemd |
| 01:44.15 | jeffrey3234 | in my logs I'm getting: Failed at step EXEC spawning /usr/lib/systemd/scripts/fan: Exec format error |
| 01:44.44 | jeffrey3234 | the contents of this file is one line: exec aticonfig --pplib-cmd "set fanspeed 0 30" |
| 01:45.01 | skilz | Is it possible to just install gnomes icons? |
| 01:45.06 | skilz | without all of gnome? |
| 01:45.12 | jeffrey3234 | this works fine if i just run it from command line |
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| 01:47.28 | Brigo | jeffrey3234, what is the content of the service file? |
| 01:48.02 | skilz | I just want to install the gnome icon set |
| 01:48.29 | jeffrey3234 | Brigo http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=CmGy42qW |
| 01:49.00 | Brigo | skilz, apt-cache search search gnome icon set |
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| 01:50.35 | Brigo | jeffrey3234, try modify /usr/lib/systemd/scripts/fan, ad as first line: #!\bin/bash |
| 01:51.09 | skilz | No such luck |
| 01:51.29 | poorrick | aoeu |
| 01:51.59 | Brigo | skilz, that is not the package you are looking for? gnome-colors-common - common icons for all GNOME-Colors icon themes |
| 01:52.58 | jeffrey3234 | Brigo k, rebooting |
| 01:53.15 | Brigo | jeffrey3234, the unit works? |
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| 01:53.56 | SteveLuxe | Hey all :) |
| 01:54.11 | somiaj | jeffrey3234: you shouldhn't put custom files in /usr/lib, put them in /etc/systemd |
| 01:54.43 | SteveLuxe | I have a question regarding UEFI booting if anyone happens to know anything about that? |
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| 01:54.53 | Brigo | SteveLuxe, just ask |
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| 01:55.28 | somiaj | skilz: Icon sets can also be put in $HOME just fine, you could download the .deb and extract the icons over isntalling anything it might depend on (though I don't think the depends will be that much) |
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| 01:55.37 | SteveLuxe | Ok... I have a remote machine that's running a small postfix server. It's running a little intel atom processor with Debian 8 on it... |
| 01:55.55 | SteveLuxe | The OS is x64, but the UEFI is 32 |
| 01:56.14 | SteveLuxe | It runs fine, but there was a kernel update that was applied |
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| 01:56.28 | SteveLuxe | What can I do to make sure that when I reboot, it'll come back up with the new kernel? |
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| 01:56.59 | somiaj | SteveLuxe: what do you mean the UEFI is 32? I don't follow. |
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| 01:57.13 | SteveLuxe | The machine has a 32-bit UEFI firmware |
| 01:58.09 | somiaj | SteveLuxe: afiak that shouldn't matter but still an unsure why uefi has a bit assoicated with it. Anyways using grub and grub boots debian just fine the way it is? |
| 01:58.23 | somiaj | SteveLuxe: well the way it was before the ekrnel update. |
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| 01:58.52 | jeffrey3234 | Brigo, still not working |
| 01:58.55 | jeffrey3234 | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=9hhMva60 |
| 01:59.02 | SteveLuxe | Well, typically there's no distro that I know of that supports booting from a 32-bit UEFI firmware OOTB |
| 01:59.12 | SteveLuxe | including Debian |
| 02:00.01 | jeffrey3234 | somiaj ok, I'll move it after I figure this out |
| 02:00.16 | Brigo | jeffrey3234, does it has exec permissions? |
| 02:01.14 | SteveLuxe | Grub boots using grubia32.efi, and passes the boot process over to the 64-bit kernel, I'm basically just wanting to make sure that everything that UEFI needs to boot properly is in its place before I reboot since the machine isn't accessible |
| 02:01.47 | jeffrey3234 | Brigo, -rwxr-xr-x, and owner & group is jeffrey |
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| 02:02.04 | somiaj | SteveLuxe: Yea looks like as long as you have a 32bit boot loader you should be fine, but back to my question. It is already configured to boot just fine via grub? |
| 02:02.17 | jeffrey3234 | but the error is saying 'Format error' |
| 02:02.42 | somiaj | SteveLuxe: i.e. sounds like debian has been installed and it boots just fine before this 'kernel update', which shouldn't be to much in jessie. |
| 02:02.47 | SteveLuxe | Yeah it boots just fine using grub the way that it is... I just want to make sure that with the new kernel install, since it's such a different sort of setup, that it'll come back up |
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| 02:04.05 | somiaj | SteveLuxe: hence provided all that you did was apt-get upgrade and get the debian kernel with the security fixes (assuming that was your update) the bootloader and configuration has not been touched and will work just fine |
| 02:04.08 | SteveLuxe | Okay... so I shouldn't have anything to worry about if I reboot the machine, since systemd and the kernel have been updated? |
| 02:04.20 | Brigo | jeffrey3234, move the script from /usr/lib/systemd/scripts/fan to /usr/local/bin modify the service file and try again. |
| 02:04.32 | jeffrey3234 | ok |
| 02:04.58 | SteveLuxe | yeah, somiaj.. I just did an apt-get upgrade and installed the system updates.. nothing custom other than the fact that it's a 32-bit UEFI firmware booting a 64-bit OS |
| 02:05.03 | somiaj | SteveLuxe: correct, the bootloader shoudln't have been touched, only the config file for grub updated in the process. |
| 02:05.29 | nurupo | wow, that a big update tight there. libav, opencv, qt4, qt5, systemd, ruby, perls, linux-image and all other stuff |
| 02:05.34 | nurupo | *right there |
| 02:06.16 | jeffrey3234 | should i remove the #!/bin/sh bit? |
| 02:06.26 | SteveLuxe | ok somiaj... I'm sure hoping that when I reboot, it comes up... I did make sure to run update-grub after the last apt-get upgrade, just to be safe, and make sure that it made the right entries for grub |
| 02:06.37 | Brigo | jeffrey3234, no. |
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| 02:07.11 | somiaj | SteveLuxe: I don't see why it wouldn't if it is already configured to boot. jessie's updates shoudl be small and only include security fixes and major bug fixes. |
| 02:07.38 | GiBa | hi, apt-cache search roundcube comes empty, is it jessie that took it out or just me? |
| 02:08.11 | SteveLuxe | Right... I just wasn't sure if there was a particular process or some way that I can make sure that everything is in its right place for booting |
| 02:08.28 | jeffrey3234 | Brigo still no go |
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| 02:08.47 | jeffrey3234 | hmm wait |
| 02:08.50 | acu | hello guys - any knowledge about 8.1 release of Jessie ? |
| 02:08.55 | Brigo | jeffrey3234, then i am clueless. |
| 02:09.25 | Brigo | acu, at the end of this month, i heard to say. |
| 02:09.26 | SteveLuxe | well, here goes nothing, I hope that it comes back up for me |
| 02:09.29 | jeffrey3234 | there is no error in the logs this time, but my fan still sounds like a jet |
| 02:10.03 | somiaj | SteveLuxe: I'm not that familar with UEFI. But it should have left the bootloader alone and I would be suprised if it didn't work if it is already configured to boot correctly |
| 02:10.08 | acu | Brigo: I rtead this --- https://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2015/05/msg00605.html |
| 02:10.19 | jeffrey3234 | Brigo I've asked on #systemd, thanks |
| 02:10.24 | SteveLuxe | well I just sent it the reboot command... |
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| 02:10.41 | Brigo | acu, that's new for me. |
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| 02:10.59 | Brigo | jeffrey3234, np :) |
| 02:11.29 | deego | Did a point release just happen? 70 upgrades! |
| 02:11.38 | SteveLuxe | somiaj: thank you very much! It came back up for me when I rebooted! WHEW! Relief! |
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| 02:16.02 | GiBa | aw FFS how can you drop roundcube!!! OMG the world is going to nuts! |
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| 02:16.06 | Brigo | acu, there is a new point release, of course, i am just updating :) |
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| 02:16.41 | acu | Brigo: where do I get netinstall iso for 8.1 ? |
| 02:17.21 | Brigo | acu, https://www.debian.org/CD/ |
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| 02:18.35 | SteveLuxe | thank you, somiaj! Everything is back up and working just fine with the new kernel and systemd |
| 02:18.54 | SteveLuxe | reboot went flawlessly |
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| 02:19.41 | skilz_ | wmmixer : Unable to open mixer device /dev/mixer' |
| 02:19.43 | somiaj | SteveLuxe: provided you use only offical debian repos you shoudl't have to much to worry about with jessie upgrades once things are configured and running correctly. |
| 02:19.50 | skilz_ | How do I fix that? |
| 02:20.05 | somiaj | SteveLuxe: i.e. the system is frozen so you shoudln't get any except bug fixes, no feature changes (note there are some exceptions to this). |
| 02:21.16 | karlpinc | skilz_: You may need to add yourself to a group. See: zless /usr/share/doc/base-passwd/users-and-groups.txt.gz |
| 02:21.16 | SteveLuxe | The only thing that concerned me was that I installed from an unofficial UEFI testing image. It was a netboot image, so it pulled from the official Debian repos, but again, with the 32-bit UEFI firmware, and the x64 kernel, and it not being officially supported, it kind of freaked me out |
| 02:21.21 | acu | Brigo: this are still 8.0 cds ? https://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 02:21.22 | somiaj | skilz_: that is the old oss mixer, not alsa, most things don't use it anymore. But you will need the snd-mixer-oss, snd-pcm-oss and various other modules to laod oss compadability. |
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| 02:21.51 | skilz_ | Yeah I think its OSS |
| 02:22.09 | somiaj | SteveLuxe: yea hence once it is configured it should be fine. (: |
| 02:22.40 | acu | Brigo how do you know it is a new point release ? |
| 02:22.45 | somiaj | skilz_: so load snd-pcm-oss snd-mixer-oss and maybe snd-seq-oss if you need the sequencer |
| 02:23.20 | Brigo | acu, because the package that are being installed are not for secure problems. |
| 02:23.23 | SteveLuxe | That's what I didn't know... I think that now I should be okay when new kernel updates roll out, I just wanted to ask about it before I rebooted, to see if I should do anything else |
| 02:23.43 | karlpinc | acu: You don't need anything special for a point release netinstall. So long as the release has been released any netinstall with get the latest files and install them. |
| 02:24.22 | somiaj | acu: if you add the jessie-updates repo you can get the packages that will be avialble during the next point release (I haven't seen any annoucment on its release). Or even if you installed 8.0 and the point release was newer than that, just upgrade the packages with apt after the intsall, you'll have the most current packages. |
| 02:24.27 | karlpinc | acu: 8.1 was supposed to be released today, but I've not seen an announcement yet. |
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| 02:24.43 | karlpinc | acu: Maybe it's not hit the mirrors yet. |
| 02:24.58 | karlpinc | somiaj, acu: Isn't it jesse-proposed-updates that's needed to get 8.1? |
| 02:25.45 | somiaj | karlpinc: oh yea, forgot about that one, I'm sure dpkg knows the differnces |
| 02:25.47 | somiaj | !jessie-updates |
| 02:25.47 | dpkg | jessie-updates is a suite providing updates to some packages (from <proposed-updates>) prior to a <point release>. All packages from jessie-updates will be included in point releases. https://wiki.debian.org/StableUpdates . Not to be confused with <jessie/updates> which is for <security> updates. |
| 02:26.06 | acu | OK so I had a Jessie with Debian-Edu and upgraded earlier - now I did a lsb_release -a ---- and got Description:DebianEdu/Skolelinux --- Release:8.1 |
| 02:26.07 | somiaj | !proposed-updates |
| 02:26.07 | dpkg | stable-proposed-updates is a repository containing packages being prepared for the next <point release>. While they have already been, your additional testing is most welcome prior to wider release. http://www.debian.org/releases/proposed-updates http://release.debian.org/proposed-updates/stable.html . See also <oldstable-proposed-updates>, <testing-proposed-updates>. |
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| 02:26.45 | somiaj | karlpinc: looks like we are both correct, but the proposed-updates is to give them some more testing if needed vs jessie-updates has the packages that will be included in the point-release |
| 02:26.50 | SteveLuxe | hmm... seems as though with the new kernel and the reboot, my system load is much higher than normal, and top is barely refreshing |
| 02:27.15 | karlpinc | somiaj: The only problem is that systemd has a regression in 8.0 that kills processes too early and can lead to data corruption when using databases. So I just installed straight to 8.1 yesterday. Works for me. |
| 02:27.23 | somiaj | SteveLuxe: well once you can locate the issue, again there shouldn't be much changes. |
| 02:27.26 | skilz_ | Thanks somiaj |
| 02:27.33 | karlpinc | acu: 8.1 may be on some mirrors and not others. |
| 02:28.41 | acu | karlpinc, yes, I just checked http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ - they were updated june 6 |
| 02:29.22 | acu | I still wonder where can I get the iso for 8.1 |
| 02:29.30 | acu | I need just the netinstall |
| 02:29.34 | acu | amd64 |
| 02:29.44 | Brigo | acu, may be you can find it in some hours. |
| 02:30.20 | SteveLuxe | thanks, somiaj... I have to figure out what's going on... Perhaps the newer version of systemd taking more resources? |
| 02:30.24 | karlpinc | Any clue if the spamassassin package comes with rules in jessie, rules that get updated in jessie-updates as per what happened in wheezy, or if you're expected to use the cron feature to download rules daily? (somiaj, I think we've chatted about email systems....) |
| 02:31.04 | karlpinc | acu: You really don't need the 8.1 netinstall, not if you're going to have network access during the install. |
| 02:31.28 | somiaj | karlpinc: not sure, being a desktop hobbist I dont' work with the actual server stuff enough to know how updates are dealt with. |
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| 02:31.44 | Brigo | after upgrade: cat /etc/debian_version --> 8.1 |
| 02:31.45 | SteveLuxe | Weird. Systemd never seems to disconnect my session when the system is rebooting.. |
| 02:32.14 | karlpinc | somiaj: The rules seem to be there, but I've only removed and not purged my wheezy packages as of now. |
| 02:32.16 | SteveLuxe | at least on this machine |
| 02:32.53 | karlpinc | SteveLuxe: What session? |
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| 02:34.50 | SteveLuxe | karlpinc: my ssh session |
| 02:35.08 | SteveLuxe | it never properly disconnects me from the system when I issue a reboot command |
| 02:35.52 | karlpinc | SteveLuxe: You are probably suffering from this: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#systemd-sigkill-regression |
| 02:36.26 | karlpinc | SteveLuxe: The solution is <enter>,~x |
| 02:36.35 | SteveLuxe | oh wow, karl |
| 02:36.39 | SteveLuxe | I'm reading it now |
| 02:37.01 | karlpinc | SteveLuxe: Sorry, <enter>,~. |
| 02:37.18 | karlpinc | SteveLuxe: Enter, then ~ then . kills your ssh session from the local side. |
| 02:37.29 | SteveLuxe | it's kinda similar, Karl |
| 02:37.31 | SteveLuxe | yeah |
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| 02:38.17 | SteveLuxe | ohh... after I issue the shutdown command, hit . |
| 02:38.24 | SteveLuxe | I got you, karlpinc |
| 02:38.25 | karlpinc | SteveLuxe: You could try an "apt* upgrade", and see if you get 8.1 and reboot and see if that fixes it. (or use jessie-proposed-updates per above, etc.) |
| 02:38.47 | karlpinc | SteveLuxe: You have to first press enter, then press "~" then ".". See man ssh. |
| 02:38.58 | SteveLuxe | ohhhh ok karlpinc |
| 02:39.04 | SteveLuxe | thank you... that helps! |
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| 02:45.38 | nurupo | !testing-proposed-updates |
| 02:45.39 | dpkg | testing-proposed-updates is a repository with packages that are proposed to go directly into testing without going via unstable. It is used only in very rare circumstances when there is a real need to upload a package directly into testing that would otherwise be blocked by a transition, and especially during the <freeze> process to help updated packages get into testing. See also <stable-proposed-updates>. |
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| 04:13.07 | Vainglory | update-notifier-common is not available on jessie and i'm trying to setup unattended upgrades ... so, how would i automatically update without this? |
| 04:13.19 | Vainglory | i'm following https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticSecurityUpdates |
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| 04:16.08 | jokke | hello |
| 04:16.45 | jokke | since jessie debian uses some weird mixture of systemd and initd, right? how do i disable scripts from /etc/init.d ? |
| 04:17.16 | Rephlexie | curious myself. |
| 04:17.18 | jokke | just with systemctl like normally? |
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| 04:18.39 | jokke | yeah seems so |
| 04:18.50 | jokke | systemctl disable |
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| 04:24.00 | ShadowKatStudios | all the hate towards systemd is basically because it does a lot, isn't it? |
| 04:24.37 | jokke | ShadowKatStudios: that's what i've gathered, and also because it's very hard to replace with something else |
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| 04:25.01 | ShadowKatStudios | hrm, that could be something, too |
| 04:25.29 | ShadowKatStudios | It's sorta funny - I see people complain how it's not following the UNIX philosophy - Linux technically isn't a UNIX |
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| 04:37.16 | shay_shay | it's very linuxy |
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| 04:41.31 | napswa | What is a good log watcher for debian? |
| 04:41.53 | ryouma | i don't think the unix philosophy (improbably assuming for the time being that it exists) is pertinent to the actual codebase lineage of unix but its design, which linux shares in large part |
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| 04:45.29 | p0wersploit | The whole Unix way of thinking whatever argument always seemed completely ridiculous to me... |
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| 04:46.08 | p0wersploit | And just an excuse to be against something which if they took time to use and understand and try to configure they would see is an amazing improvement |
| 04:46.50 | p0wersploit | None of those people have taken 1 second to try and learn or use systemd and give it an objective look |
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| 04:53.28 | blackjack | is linus torvaldÂ… in a way, now beginning to accept systemd as a norm? |
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| 04:56.08 | Vainglory | update-notifier-common is not available on jessie and i'm trying to setup unattended upgrades ... so, how would i automatically update without this? |
| 04:56.10 | Vainglory | i'm following https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticSecurityUpdates |
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| 05:02.50 | jokke | p0wersploit: my thoughts exactly |
| 05:03.45 | jokke | blackjack: linus torvalds is a douche :D I wouldn't give much weight to his preferences or dislikes :P |
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| 05:09.08 | blackjack | lol jokke. i wont be calling him douche, he created the very important part of the OS weve been using |
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| 05:09.33 | jokke | sure did. Doesn't change the fact that he's a douchebag :D |
| 05:10.37 | jokke | i think everyone who has ever got anything to do with him would agree |
| 05:10.44 | jokke | (not that i have) |
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| 05:12.38 | jokke | you've probably read some of his rants on the internet. He's very aggressively scolding his kernel devs and he's _super_ arrogant. |
| 05:12.54 | jokke | makes him a douche in my book |
| 05:13.08 | hubik | you wrote a book? |
| 05:14.01 | jokke | hubik: you trolling or don't you know that idiom? |
| 05:14.22 | Sausage | I could probably follow someone around for years, take and publish the worst things they say on news sites, and make everyone think they're a douche |
| 05:15.25 | jokke | Sausage: that's true but i doubt that the things he's said or wrote were published by a single person.. |
| 05:15.46 | Sausage | It doesn't have to be, the same applies to real life news outlets and celebrities |
| 05:16.08 | jokke | i guess. But i don't see the benefit in discrediting him. |
| 05:16.08 | Sausage | They're not a single person but they do a fine job at telling everyone wnat opinion to have about people (or political parties or ideas) |
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| 05:16.34 | Sausage | Because it makes everyone go "he he funny angry man" and gets them clicks I guess? |
| 05:16.39 | p0wersploit | I think he's a genius, I owe my favorite OS in the world to him, but at this point Linux has been developed by thousands of people :P His opinion on one certain part of it isn't a reason for me to think a certain way |
| 05:16.44 | jokke | but i think this goes far ot. dunno how strict you are bout thathere. |
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| 05:19.23 | skilz_ | How do I install Java Runtime Environment? |
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| 05:19.50 | socomm | skilz_: apt-get install default-jre? |
| 05:20.10 | skilz_ | Thanks socomm |
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| 05:28.23 | blackjack | maybe the thing linus torvald doesnt want on systemd is the way it runs all the daemon in parallel mode, its hard to keep track where went wrong in case there is a problem, while on Linux Init system its easier to identify cause it runs on linear one by one progression. |
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| 05:32.46 | jokke | i have set up a script in /etc/profile.d but it doesn't get loaded for the root user |
| 05:32.52 | jokke | why is that? |
| 05:33.00 | jokke | *sourced |
| 05:33.23 | jokke | works fine for a normal user |
| 05:35.44 | jokke | i already added . /etc/profile to /root/.profile |
| 05:35.57 | jokke | but that has no effect |
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| 05:36.49 | jokke | hm |
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| 05:36.55 | jokke | never mind |
| 05:37.08 | phy1729 | why are you using a root shell anyway? |
| 05:37.14 | jokke | phy1729: i'm not |
| 05:37.19 | jokke | using sudo |
| 05:37.22 | phy1729 | ok |
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| 05:37.46 | jokke | scratch the never mind |
| 05:38.01 | jokke | thought it had worked, it didn't |
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| 05:45.37 | jokke | ok |
| 05:46.28 | jokke | i added echo "echo 'running <file>'" to <file> with <file> bein /etc/bashrc /etc/profile and /root/.bashrc |
| 05:46.40 | jokke | and only running /root/.bashrc comes up |
| 05:47.09 | jokke | (i actually opened a root shell with sudo su |
| 05:47.11 | jokke | ) |
| 05:47.33 | jokke | ah |
| 05:47.45 | jokke | i see |
| 05:47.48 | phy1729 | you need a login shell for profiles to be parsed |
| 05:47.50 | jokke | su - |
| 05:47.52 | jokke | yes |
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| 05:48.24 | jokke | phy1729: can i get a login shell with sudo? |
| 05:48.39 | jokke | yes |
| 05:48.42 | jokke | with -i |
| 05:48.44 | jokke | thanks manpage |
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| 05:52.58 | dnsk_ | hi |
| 05:53.02 | polyphagia | what is debian ports? |
| 05:53.05 | dnsk_ | wow I see a lots of updates today |
| 05:54.10 | Rephlexie | polyphagia, back-ports? |
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| 05:54.16 | polyphagia | ports.debian.org |
| 05:54.45 | polyphagia | oops, needs a www :P http://www.ports.debian.org/ |
| 05:54.54 | Rephlexie | you mean this? http://backports.debian.org/ ? |
| 05:54.58 | polyphagia | no |
| 05:55.08 | Rephlexie | oh oops hmm |
| 05:55.49 | dnsk_ | How to disable h.264 support in Iceweasel which is FF ESR 31? |
| 05:55.54 | bestucan | Is there any different in freenode and OFTC? Where is official irc channel of debian? |
| 05:56.03 | polyphagia | the official channel is on oftc |
| 05:56.09 | polyphagia | but this one has more people |
| 05:56.17 | bestucan | thanks |
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| 05:58.50 | bestucan | Is there any connection between debian and french. debian sounds like french, meaning "very good" |
| 05:59.14 | polyphagia | nope :P |
| 05:59.25 | bestucan | 😄 |
| 05:59.27 | polyphagia | it's named after ian murdock and his girlfriend of the time |
| 05:59.30 | polyphagia | debra and ian |
| 06:00.33 | bestucan | thanks |
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| 06:06.01 | m0rd3cai | I hope someone in here can help, ive got debian 8. im trying to tell it to ignore when i shut the laptop lid. |
| 06:06.33 | polyphagia | which desktop are you using m0rd3cai ? |
| 06:06.58 | m0rd3cai | ive edited /etc/UPower/Upower.conf to ignore lid which worked til i rebooted. conf file is still what i changed it to but has no effect nwo |
| 06:07.01 | m0rd3cai | now |
| 06:07.06 | m0rd3cai | no im on a laptop |
| 06:07.14 | polyphagia | desktop environment m0rd3cai |
| 06:07.15 | blackjack | polyphagia you using cinnamon on deb 8 right now? |
| 06:07.16 | m0rd3cai | I hate when my laptop sleeps when i shut the lid |
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| 06:07.36 | m0rd3cai | ive tried gnome tweak tool |
| 06:07.44 | polyphagia | you're using gnome? |
| 06:07.53 | m0rd3cai | yea |
| 06:07.57 | blackjack | m0rd3cai: polyphagia meant what desktop environment/ windows manager are you using, cinnamon, kde, gnome, openbox, XFCE etc? |
| 06:08.03 | m0rd3cai | my bad |
| 06:08.09 | m0rd3cai | gnome classic |
| 06:08.18 | blackjack | ok |
| 06:08.25 | m0rd3cai | its all default. let me check |
| 06:08.26 | polyphagia | m0rd3cai: go into the settings manager and look for the power settings |
| 06:09.56 | polyphagia | unless it's under tweak tool, but you said that didn't work? |
| 06:10.31 | m0rd3cai | polyphagia: correct. i can send screenshot |
| 06:10.42 | m0rd3cai | it is set to do nothing but still suspends... |
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| 06:11.26 | polyphagia | gsettings set org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.power lid-close-battery-action blank too? |
| 06:11.34 | polyphagia | ohh |
| 06:11.40 | polyphagia | it's a systemd thing, of course |
| 06:11.46 | m0rd3cai | thats what i did for deb 7 |
| 06:11.52 | m0rd3cai | those dont exist in 8 |
| 06:12.06 | polyphagia | check in /etc/systemd/logind.conf |
| 06:12.14 | m0rd3cai | it is set to do nothing but still suspends... |
| 06:12.18 | polyphagia | looks like there's a #HandleLidSwitch |
| 06:12.26 | m0rd3cai | no i havent actually |
| 06:12.35 | polyphagia | ye i'm there right now |
| 06:12.40 | polyphagia | that appears to be what you need to edit |
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| 06:13.49 | m0rd3cai | sweet |
| 06:13.59 | m0rd3cai | let me restart and see what happens |
| 06:14.00 | m0rd3cai | brb |
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| 06:15.47 | m0rd3cai | polyphagia: your awesome |
| 06:16.03 | m0rd3cai | I knew i wasnt in the right spot |
| 06:16.32 | polyphagia | there should be an option in the GUI to change that though |
| 06:16.34 | polyphagia | glad it worked |
| 06:17.25 | m0rd3cai | polyphagia: there is in gnome tweak tool but it doesnt work |
| 06:17.30 | polyphagia | yeah |
| 06:17.37 | blackjack | should be reported thenÂ… |
| 06:17.41 | polyphagia | it should really be in gnome's settings |
| 06:17.42 | m0rd3cai | kinda bs if you ask me. I agree |
| 06:17.45 | blackjack | polyphagia, you using gnome as well? |
| 06:17.52 | polyphagia | no but i booted my vm :P |
| 06:17.58 | m0rd3cai | other than that ive been real happy with 8 |
| 06:18.16 | blackjack | im still sticking with my old trusty 7.8. lol |
| 06:20.44 | m0rd3cai | i have a lot of steam games and got sick of windows so 8 was my only choice of upgrade to libc6 and break more than likely everything in 7 |
| 06:20.50 | dnsk_ | is Debian the most secure Desktop OS? |
| 06:21.06 | deego | of course! |
| 06:21.07 | dnsk_ | specially when we use FDE and Firewall?? |
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| 06:23.22 | blackjack | not just secure dnsk_, also very stable. Even if im overclocking things. |
| 06:24.12 | dnsk_ | blackjack, I see, but Iceweasel is really problematic only for me, it shows h.264 support in youtbe but not for others |
| 06:24.16 | dnsk_ | what could be the problem? |
| 06:24.36 | blackjack | what version of iceweasel you using? |
| 06:25.24 | blackjack | 31.7.0 i think is whats the latest you can get on debian repository |
| 06:25.26 | dnsk_ | blackjack, I am using default Iceweasel 31.x as provided by Debian, I use Main repo only so no Flash |
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| 06:26.01 | dnsk_ | blackjack, youtube.com/html5 |
| 06:26.10 | dnsk_ | do you see h.264 support? |
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| 06:26.20 | blackjack | wait let me check |
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| 06:26.30 | m0rd3cai | Any recommendations on how to do a bugreport for this? |
| 06:27.34 | myztic | m0rd3cai: you use gnome? |
| 06:28.17 | m0rd3cai | yea |
| 06:28.42 | m0rd3cai | never done a bugreport before |
| 06:28.45 | blackjack | http://www.picpaste.com/Screenshot_-_Sunday__07_June__2015_-_02_27_43__PHT-DCoNMOmZ.png |
| 06:29.01 | blackjack | how about that dnsk_. |
| 06:29.25 | dnsk_ | blackjack, do you use Main repo only? Did you install flash? So you use Default Iceweasel provided by Jessie right? I also want you to check something else, watch Bad Blood by Taylor Swift and right click "Stats for nerd" In Mime type: I see video/mp4 but you would see video/webm although I did not do anything :/ |
| 06:30.24 | myztic | m0rd3cai: I think you can do that with gnome-tweak-tool |
| 06:30.37 | blackjack | everything yes dnsk_ |
| 06:31.02 | blackjack | the thing you want me to do is kinda boring. anyway. i might try it if you give the link |
| 06:31.08 | dnsk_ | blackjack, wow I am seeing the same, could you please play that video and see if what you get? Also let the video finish or just click on the last secs of the video and then replay it if you see Mime type: video/mp4 ; the video would be distorted and fuzzy |
| 06:31.23 | myztic | myztic: just checked, use gnome-tweak-tool, you can set it there |
| 06:31.38 | myztic | m0rd3cai: ^ |
| 06:32.10 | dnsk_ | blackjack, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcIy9NiNbmo |
| 06:32.13 | dnsk_ | this is the video |
| 06:32.21 | blackjack | ill just watch the end |
| 06:32.25 | dnsk_ | ya sure |
| 06:32.28 | dnsk_ | and then replay it |
| 06:32.42 | dnsk_ | Also "check stats for nerds by right click" |
| 06:32.47 | dnsk_ | Check mime type: |
| 06:32.48 | myztic | m0rd3cai: http://postimg.org/image/i24ujqdcr/ you can set it to "log out" or "nothing" for example |
| 06:33.11 | blackjack | dnsk_, i dont usually do that when i watch youtube links |
| 06:33.16 | blackjack | anyway, worth a try. |
| 06:33.27 | dnsk_ | Please Check stats for nerds |
| 06:33.30 | dnsk_ | I want to see something |
| 06:33.38 | dnsk_ | just 1 sec job |
| 06:33.53 | myztic | m0rd3cai: aptitude install gnome-tweak-tool |
| 06:34.37 | dnsk_ | blackjack, so video/mp4 or video/webm? |
| 06:35.26 | blackjack | how do i view that.. hmm |
| 06:35.36 | blackjack | im actually watching it full length |
| 06:35.56 | m0rd3cai | sorry nature called |
| 06:35.58 | m0rd3cai | let me check |
| 06:36.15 | dnsk_ | blackjack, right click on video "Stat for nerds" |
| 06:36.23 | dnsk_ | you would see a field called Mime Type : |
| 06:36.35 | dnsk_ | it would either say video/mp4 or video/wemb |
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| 06:36.46 | dnsk_ | Also tell the video finish and replay it |
| 06:36.50 | m0rd3cai | I have the issue fixed. myztic. the problem was tweak tool was set to nothing but wasnt working. still slept |
| 06:36.53 | dnsk_ | if it says "video/mp4" |
| 06:37.07 | m0rd3cai | had to edit /etc/systemd/logind.conf |
| 06:37.43 | blackjack | dnsk_: http://paste.debian.net/207756/ |
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| 06:38.28 | dnsk_ | blackjack, what did the Mime Type say? |
| 06:38.50 | blackjack | thats all what it says |
| 06:39.10 | blackjack | when i click stat for nerds, the video isnt yet finish though. im like on 45% paused |
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| 06:40.26 | dnsk_ | blackjack, https://lut.im/K8WECUPW/wBrcleFz |
| 06:40.31 | dnsk_ | See the mime type? |
| 06:40.40 | dnsk_ | I want to know what does it say on your computer? |
| 06:40.46 | dnsk_ | Video/mp4 or video/webm |
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| 06:42.51 | dnsk_ | blackjack, so there is no Mime type on your computer? |
| 06:43.02 | blackjack | hmmm. we have different iceweasel probably |
| 06:43.11 | blackjack | mines doesnt show like that |
| 06:43.21 | dnsk_ | Are you using Flash? |
| 06:43.42 | dnsk_ | ok what is your version of Iceweasel? |
| 06:43.58 | dnsk_ | mine is 31.7.0 |
| 06:45.12 | blackjack | http://picpaste.com/Screenshot_-_Sunday__07_June__2015_-_02_44_22__PHT-x8CW5LwH.png |
| 06:45.20 | blackjack | same |
| 06:45.25 | blackjack | i think im using flsh |
| 06:45.27 | blackjack | flash. |
| 06:45.50 | blackjack | how do i force it to use html5? |
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| 06:46.28 | dnsk_ | blackjack, you using flash lol, youtube.com/html5 enabled or join |
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| 06:50.55 | blackjack | http://picpaste.com/Screenshot_-_Sunday__07_June__2015_-_02_49_47__PHT-gucxLpf1.png |
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| 06:59.52 | dnsk_ | https://lut.im/nswK3seR/LotA2bdm <-- this happens when I replay the video in Iceweasel/Jessie default/no flash |
| 07:03.41 | blackjack | thats the different thing, im iceweasel/wheezy |
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| 07:04.37 | blackjack | maybe its codec support for your video driver |
| 07:04.41 | blackjack | thats messing up |
| 07:04.49 | blackjack | i dont know if its a 'jessie' issue |
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| 07:11.53 | Bwithmore14 | hello Guys im facing a problem on wireless connection problem in debian livecd graphical installation im new to debian i cannot connect my passphrase on wpa2 wireless network but in debian splash screen graphical installation its working why its that happening on Livecd graphical installation |
| 07:13.11 | Bwithmore14 | any solutions in here i need graphical installation on the livecd because i cant find iwconfig command on splash graphical installation of debian |
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| 07:38.50 | debtryier | hey guys. Thinking of installing debian, because i'm looking for a stable and ethical distro. This is my hardware: http://pastebin.com/DJTmn7L2 - should Debian work OK with this? |
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| 07:48.45 | jelly | debtryier: probably, but intel wireless won't work without firmware |
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| 07:49.33 | debtryier | and with firmware installed, it works normally? will i have to connect to ethernet then, to get it working? |
| 07:50.09 | polyphagia | debtryier: you can predownload the firmware package |
| 07:50.15 | polyphagia | and put it on another usb device |
| 07:50.17 | jelly | debtryier: you'll definitely have to connect to ethernet if you use the normal netinst image |
| 07:50.24 | jelly | or use |
| 07:50.26 | jelly | !firmware images |
| 07:50.27 | dpkg | Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ . See also <install guide>. |
| 07:50.55 | polyphagia | jelly: doesn't the normal netinst prompt you to put a removable device in |
| 07:50.57 | polyphagia | for firmware? |
| 07:51.05 | polyphagia | if it's nonfree |
| 07:51.12 | debtryier | i'll use a dvd (always have) so i'm not sure |
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| 07:52.49 | Fjorgynn | welcome |
| 07:53.41 | Fjorgynn | peoploe actually use dvd installer? |
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| 07:57.11 | dnsk_ | how can I reinstall or remove/install iceweasel? |
| 08:00.27 | babilen | "apt-get --reinstall install iceweasel" |
| 08:00.35 | babilen | (but what are you really trying to do?) |
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| 08:01.39 | babilen | Fjorgynn: Sure |
| 08:05.49 | Fjorgynn | ok |
| 08:08.13 | babilen | I don't, but there are certainly use cases for it |
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| 08:36.44 | friendlyguy | hi there! I'm wondering if it is possible to boot debian from a iscsi hba (old qlogic qla4010c) |
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| 08:37.50 | friendlyguy | and.... I'm not on sparc ;) |
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| 08:40.18 | medfly | hello |
| 08:41.03 | Fjorgynn | hello |
| 08:41.22 | medfly | I got a fresh install of debian and I can't connect to the net and I need to compile a git repository to get to the network... is build-essentials anywhere on the cd image or do I have to start downloading packages manually... |
| 08:41.32 | medfly | I can't run make |
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| 08:42.27 | Fjorgynn | aha |
| 08:43.12 | Fjorgynn | i build-essential - Informational list of build-essential packages |
| 08:43.22 | Fjorgynn | hm |
| 08:43.35 | medfly | well, whatever the package that holds make and other things is |
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| 08:43.50 | Fjorgynn | medfly: I've not used the dvd/cd to install only netinstaller |
| 08:44.17 | medfly | :[] |
| 08:44.27 | medfly | I wish I could, this wifi stick is not readily supported |
| 08:44.39 | Fjorgynn | u have no ethernet? |
| 08:44.53 | medfly | no free cable |
| 08:45.34 | medfly | I'd just rather not |
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| 08:47.22 | medfly | the dependency tree is gigantic |
| 08:47.46 | medfly | I assume I don't have any of those things by default |
| 08:48.21 | Fjorgynn | :/ |
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| 08:55.01 | friendlyguy | anybody got some experience with booting linux from iscsi? |
| 08:55.19 | MickyW | Hi everybody. |
| 08:55.27 | friendlyguy | I'm trying to do with a qla4010c iscsi hba |
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| 09:06.15 | MickyW | Got anybody a hint, where to find debian Jessie dvd-ISOs of #4 to #13? One may find even content lists but not the ISOs. |
| 09:06.47 | rozie | MickyW: are you sure it's dvd not cd? |
| 09:07.38 | MickyW | rozie: There are search results for certain packages which points to "DVD". In doubt I could show you. |
| 09:08.16 | rozie | probably some trash/mistake |
| 09:08.34 | rozie | which packages? |
| 09:08.36 | MickyW | rozie: I am not sure, if you could see the same results, but try if you like. http://cdimage-search.debian.org/?search_area=release&type=simple&query=android&Search=Search&.cgifields=search_area&.cgifields=type |
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| 09:08.52 | MickyW | rozie: I searched for keyword "android". |
| 09:09.08 | MickyW | Want to develop apps on debian. |
| 09:09.36 | DrDisconsented | Why not just do a net install? |
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| 09:11.08 | MickyW | DrDisconsented: Two points: First, my productive systems are not connected. Second: Locate packages at all. aptitude with the 3 first DVDs registered does not show that packages. They are in turn mentioned by a page, which discusses installation of prerequisites for app dev. |
| 09:11.09 | rozie | MickyW: as I said before - probably some trash. and as DrDisconsented said, you don't need to download DVD do install package. |
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| 09:11.50 | rozie | you can use jigdo to generate iso you need |
| 09:11.59 | MickyW | rozie: Thats the point. I doubt if I could locate these packages at all. |
| 09:12.48 | MickyW | The only direct information is given by that search page. aptitude does not list them (which is clear as it only knows the first three DVDs). |
| 09:12.48 | SynrGy | https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#not-all-images |
| 09:13.19 | MickyW | SynrG: Ah! Will have a look. |
| 09:13.47 | SynrGy | MickyW: so your real question is, 'where is the android sdk'? |
| 09:14.44 | MickyW | SynrG: Not really. I know where to download that. I will explain: ... |
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| 09:15.13 | SynrGy | !jigdo |
| 09:15.13 | dpkg | Jigsaw Download (jigdo) is *the* method for downloading CD/DVD/BD images of Debian. See "Downloading Debian CD images with jigdo" at https://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ . https://wiki.debian.org/jigdo http://atterer.org/jigdo/ |
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| 09:15.30 | rozie | I believe this packages could be at some moment on daily builds, but could be removed due to license issues |
| 09:15.59 | rozie | there are packages like |
| 09:16.01 | rozie | google-android-build-tools-installer - Google build tools for Android (aapt, aidl, dexdump, dx) |
| 09:16.11 | rozie | libandroidsdk-sdklib-java - Android SDKlib |
| 09:16.14 | rozie | in Jessie |
| 09:16.18 | MickyW | rozie: Sorry. Underestimated your first mention of Jigdo. Thank you. |
| 09:16.36 | MickyW | Just a moment, please. About to explain what I am doing. |
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| 09:19.11 | MickyW | I found a page http://techieventures.blogspot.de/2014/11/install-android-studiosdk-on-debian.html which explains installation on wheezy and try to follow. |
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| 09:20.45 | MickyW | As I do not want to use AndroidStudio, I wanted to answer the question, which are necessary prerequisites using SDK (in conjunction with Eclipse). |
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| 09:23.36 | MickyW | I found another page of an ongong project: https://wiki.debian.org/AndroidTools. This mentioned a number of packages. I wanted to locate these as it looked like these are prerequisites for the very basic part (which is a bit fuzzy expressed). |
| 09:23.42 | greywood | works, except i have to ctrl+y manually |
| 09:24.07 | MickyW | Trying this, I came to the point, where I tried to locate the packages (as the project is not finished yet). |
| 09:24.20 | MickyW | Hope, this is clear enough. |
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| 09:27.26 | phix | oh hi agng |
| 09:27.29 | phix | gang* |
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| 09:28.10 | MickyW | rozie: google-android-build-tools-installer and libandroidsdk-sdklib-java looking promising. So I need to use jigdo. |
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| 09:29.03 | MickyW | rozie: Oh. google-android-build-tools-installer needs to be online, right? |
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| 09:36.07 | MickyW | Yes. It needs to online. OK. That leads me back to the page I mentioned above. |
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| 09:39.28 | MickyW | That jigdo stuff helps a bit further. About to download the 386er DVDs as I need it for building the SDK |
| 09:39.44 | dnsk_ | What would you do to harden security on Debian? |
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| 09:44.06 | rawf | what package can I find the linux/C man pages in? |
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| 09:44.50 | rawf | ah I think I found it |
| 09:46.12 | dnsk_ | hey I have a question, if I use GPG and today I encrypt a file with my key that has a passphrase "KEY100" but I happen to loose the key.. But now I am using the same key from the backups with a strong passphrase like "random 20 char"; Can the person who has my key with passphrase decrypt my file with the old password that he could easily BF? |
| 09:47.51 | at0m | dnsk_: https://wiki.debian.org/Hardening |
| 09:48.02 | dnsk_ | at0m, ok |
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| 09:50.45 | dnsk_ | at0m, ai'ght firewall enough? along with FDE? |
| 09:50.50 | dnsk_ | or do we really need more? |
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| 10:02.58 | MickyW | Hm. libandroidsdk-sdklib-java ist quite old. It's from August 2013 |
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| 10:20.19 | gbolic | Hi |
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| 10:28.13 | ZIPY^ | hi, i have a problem with android studio in debian, gradle takes forever on :app:generate DebugAndroidTestSources |
| 10:28.36 | ZIPY^ | does someone know what is causing this? its working fine on windows but i like to stick with debian |
| 10:30.47 | MickyW | ZIPY^: Hi. Can't help you actually. But I am about to install packages for developing apps on Jessie. Problem is, that my productive system is offline. Did you the same install? |
| 10:31.36 | ZIPY^ | MickyW: what do you mean with same install? |
| 10:31.54 | MickyW | ZIPY: Meant "Offline". |
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| 10:32.40 | ZIPY | MickyW: sry i cant follow :( |
| 10:33.10 | MickyW | ZIPY: No prob. Thank you anyway. |
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| 10:33.35 | ZIPY | i installed android studio bundle on debian and windows |
| 10:33.53 | ZIPY | its working fine on windows but on debian gradle is running forever |
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| 10:38.59 | ZIPY | MickyW: i think i solved it, i needed to install lib32z1 lib32ncurses5 since i am on 64bit machine |
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| 10:39.11 | ZIPY | finally i can work with debain |
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| 10:44.25 | mnrmnaugh | hah |
| 10:44.27 | SynrGy | ZIPY: strange. sounds wrong to me (old ia32-libs stuff instead of new multiarch). |
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| 10:45.15 | ZIPY | i had this error on gradle console: error while loading shared libraries: libz.so.1: cannot open shared object file: |
| 10:45.15 | ZIPY | No such file or directory |
| 10:45.36 | ZIPY | so i tried installing install ia32-libs |
| 10:45.49 | SynrGy | not just zlib1g:i386? |
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| 10:45.53 | ZIPY | but it said it is obsolete |
| 10:46.11 | SynrGy | !multiarch |
| 10:46.11 | dpkg | Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch and <multiarch howto>, <multiarch failures>. For the unrelated installer that can install i386 or amd64, see <multi-arch installer>. |
| 10:46.14 | ZIPY | and refered to those 2 |
| 10:46.23 | SynrGy | you do that, then install what you need with ':i386' suffix |
| 10:46.36 | ZIPY | oh i did that already when installing |
| 10:46.37 | SynrGy | no need for differently named binaries anymore |
| 10:46.58 | ZIPY | hmm thats strange |
| 10:47.02 | SynrGy | (unless installing some third-party deb that still depends on them) |
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| 10:47.56 | ZIPY | i added i386 when i instaled android studio and it was working but gradle |
| 10:48.56 | SynrGy | if it's just a matter of having the right libs in the LIBPATH, i guess either way would do it. but the 'multiarch' way is the new, preferred way |
| 10:49.13 | SynrGy | er, LD_LIBRARY_PATH i mean |
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| 10:50.23 | ZIPY | SynrGy: hmm u said unless installing some third-party deb |
| 10:50.33 | ZIPY | maybe i did sth when i installed java sdk |
| 10:51.19 | SynrGy | from debian? |
| 10:51.35 | ZIPY | im gonna look at my batch history |
| 10:52.10 | SynrGy | anyway, as i said, might not be strictly necessary to do it the new way, but is preferred |
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| 10:52.22 | ZIPY | sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386 | sudo apt-get update | sudo apt-get install java-package:amd64 fakeroot:amd64 |
| 10:52.26 | SynrGy | (new since wheezy, btw) |
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| 10:53.06 | ZIPY | sudo apt-get install lib32z1 lib32ncurses5 lib32bz2-1.0 lib32stdc++6 |
| 10:53.11 | ZIPY | and this |
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| 10:53.53 | ZIPY | SynrGy: shall i undo any of those steps? |
| 10:54.07 | ZIPY | so i guess sudo apt-get install lib32z1 lib32ncurses5 lib32bz2-1.0 lib32stdc++6 was uneccessary? |
| 10:54.39 | SynrGy | probably not. probably just need the :i386 equivalents of those libraries already installed for amd64 |
| 10:54.58 | jelly | er... java-package is just scripts so arch:all, there's no :amd64 |
| 10:54.59 | SynrGy | as i said, zlib1g:i386, etc |
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| 10:55.27 | jelly | (and those pipes look wrong) |
| 10:56.02 | ZIPY | hmm i leave it for now since it works |
| 10:56.12 | ZIPY | dont wanna break sth again xD |
| 10:57.11 | ZIPY | im happy i can work with android studi in debian now... so much more comfortable with gnome3 than windows |
| 10:57.18 | ZIPY | also debian on ssd windows on hdd xD |
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| 11:05.24 | tombee | Hey all, any ideas how I can fix this error: "kernel source for this kernel does not seem to be installed." when attempting to `apt-get install broadcom-sta-dkms`? :) |
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| 11:05.38 | repxl | what is the difference aptitude and apt-get ? |
| 11:05.40 | tombee | I have a self-built 3.19.8 kernel (since I wanted to include thunderbolt and overlay support). |
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| 11:07.18 | at0m | repxl: mainly, aptitude is ncurses UI, apt-get command line only |
| 11:07.40 | kriptonium | The most obvious difference is that aptitude provides a terminal menu interface (much like Synaptic in a terminal), whereas apt-get does not. |
| 11:07.40 | kriptonium | Considering only the command-line interfaces of each, they are quite similar, and for the most part, it really doesn't matter which one you use. Recent versions of both will track which packages were manually installed, and which were installed as dependencies (and therefore eligible for automatic removal). In fact, I believe that even more recently, the two tools were updated to actually share the same database of manually vs |
| 11:07.40 | kriptonium | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:07.50 | ZIPY | repxl: i think aptitute has a interface |
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| 11:08.15 | ZIPY | eh ya, at0m said already |
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| 11:09.06 | at0m | i like how i can manually add or skip recommends and review the install in aptitude. but that's according to taste i guess. |
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| 11:10.59 | at0m | plus aptitude takes most command line instructions as apt-get, ie. aptitude install screen. aptitude search limits to package names, apt-cache searches descriptions, too |
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| 11:16.03 | at0m | but if you're really tight on memory, apt-get |
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| 11:35.03 | babilen | dpkg: why aptitude |
| 11:35.03 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). For some upgrades, apt-get is preferred (e.g. <lenny->squeeze>, <squeeze->wheezy>). http://tinyurl.com/3g4d4d9. |
| 11:35.14 | babilen | dpkg: why not aptitude |
| 11:35.14 | dpkg | Aptitude is more memory intensive and slower than <apt-get>, the <ncurses> interface is always loaded regardless of being used or not. Moreover the resolver can sometimes produce unexpected results and most of <aptitude>'s former exclusive features are now available in <apt-get> as well. Ask me about <why aptitude> and see http://tinyurl.com/3g4d4d9. |
| 11:36.50 | babilen | I typically use apt (yes, just apt) these days, aptitude whenever I need its resolver or search functionality. The interactive resolver is great for getting out of hairy situations sometimes. |
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| 11:37.53 | SuperTramp83 | I'd like to know how come jitsi is not in the main Debian repository? |
| 11:38.33 | babilen | it is |
| 11:38.37 | babilen | judd: v jitsi |
| 11:38.38 | judd | Package: jitsi on amd64 -- sid: 2.4.4997-1.2 |
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| 11:39.39 | SuperTramp83 | debian 8 stable main repository |
| 11:39.42 | SuperTramp83 | it is not |
| 11:39.55 | babilen | That is correct |
| 11:40.16 | SuperTramp83 | but ..why? |
| 11:40.36 | SuperTramp83 | it is free software.. |
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| 11:42.13 | dutchfish | !stable |
| 11:42.14 | dpkg | [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added, new versions introduced and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Jessie (8.1); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the stable version (ask me about <security backports>). https://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable |
| 11:42.31 | babilen | I guess it wasn't ready to be included in the stable release. I see that it had been removed from testing due to a libav transition. Not sure why it didn't transition back. |
| 11:43.32 | babilen | SuperTramp83: I guess you'd have to search on lists.debian.org and/or bugs.debian.org for more information if you are interested as to what happened exactly. If you want to install it in jessie you can probably backport (i.e. compile) it yourself by following the instructions in the factoid our bot is about to send you. |
| 11:43.37 | babilen | dpkg: tell SuperTramp83 -about ssb |
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| 11:44.36 | SuperTramp83 | babilen I compiled the latest stable source code 2.8 |
| 11:44.49 | SuperTramp83 | just wanted to know why it wasn't included.. |
| 11:46.34 | babilen | It is in Debian, but wasn't included into the current stable release. That typically happens because a package isn't deemed "fit" enough for inclusion or because it wasn't uploaded in time to make it into testing before the freeze. As to what happened to jitsi exactly you'd have to dig deeper yourself on the aforementioned websites. |
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| 11:47.24 | dutchfish | SuperTramp83, babilen #760853 |
| 11:47.25 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/760853 in jitsi (open): «jitsi uninstallable in sid»; severity: grave; opened: 2014-09-08; last modified: 2015-05-26. |
| 11:47.26 | SuperTramp83 | I see. Well thx for the info babilen! |
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| 11:51.23 | markovh | looking in debian/rules.gen for the linux package, what are the suffixes "none" and "none_real" etc |
| 11:51.31 | babilen | dutchfish: Yeah, that looks like a pretty good reason :) |
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| 11:52.44 | markovh | http://pastebin.com/nquRTJPF these are the targets i'm talking about |
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| 11:55.30 | SuperTramp83 | dutchfish. thx for the link. I see now why |
| 11:55.59 | dutchfish | SuperTramp83, yw |
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| 11:57.30 | dutchfish | markovh, not looked at your package; generally the debian/rules.gen defines what rules file will be generated, if any see: https://wiki.debian.org/IntroDebianPackaging. If you provide more specific info, we can better answer your Q. |
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| 11:59.17 | engblom | Please, anyone, point me to a working guide for getting ldap+samba working on Debian. I already have a separate ldap server and I have central authentication for ssh working. The samba part is where I get stuck and as most guides do not work for Jessie. |
| 11:59.44 | dutchfish | markovh, #debian-mentors might be a better place to ask sometimes |
| 11:59.48 | engblom | This is what I get in the log: |
| 11:59.51 | engblom | No builtin nor plugin backend for passdb backend = ldapsam found |
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| 12:02.09 | dutchfish | engblom, dependig on what version of debian you are running you have to setup the right backend module for your authentication like passwd, see: https://wiki.debian.org/LDAP/PAM |
| 12:02.20 | dutchfish | s/dependig/depending |
| 12:03.00 | dutchfish | engblom, normally pam is the default, but others are available to configure |
| 12:03.48 | dutchfish | engblom, i believe for stable, libpam-ldapd is your ticket |
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| 12:04.09 | engblom | dutchfish: That part is working. I have it installed. It is only the samba part not working |
| 12:04.10 | dutchfish | engblom, for older systems, pam_ldap has been used |
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| 12:05.17 | dutchfish | engblom, see the samba tutors. But, hint: you probably need to setup your scheme files on ldap matching your needs for your domain, wins, etc |
| 12:05.42 | engblom | dutchfish: I have also set up the scheme on the ldap server. |
| 12:05.57 | dutchfish | engblom, any ldap query can be used to figure out if connections can be made and the right schemes are in place |
| 12:06.39 | engblom | I have been looking at several tutorials, but apparently this single line used in every tutorial is not accepted: passdb backend = ldapsam:ldap://the-ldap-ip-here |
| 12:06.51 | dutchfish | engblom, and you have configured samba for domain auth. and wins dns works? have you tested that? |
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| 12:07.25 | dutchfish | engblom, what debian version are you using? |
| 12:07.31 | engblom | Jessie |
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| 12:08.13 | engblom | I am on the border to give up on Jessie for this project because of lack of documentation if I do not get this to work very soon... It feels very frustrating as I have put a few days into this. |
| 12:08.33 | dutchfish | engblom, and ldapd and nss-pam-ldapd are in place and working? |
| 12:08.54 | dutchfish | engblom, ldap is a pita and needs carefull planning |
| 12:09.24 | engblom | Yes, they are I have libnss-ldap installed, and yes it is working. |
| 12:09.29 | dutchfish | engblom, the samba docs have nice examples |
| 12:09.44 | engblom | I have been even looking at those too... |
| 12:10.11 | dutchfish | engblom, start with testing your ldap with queries, then (if this is a mixe denvirenment) look at adsi |
| 12:10.43 | engblom | I almost suspect something is missing from Debian Jessie... but I do not know. LDAP is probably the worst mess I have ever seen in a *nix system. Old but so insecure NIS was so much more straight forward. |
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| 12:11.37 | dutchfish | engblom, ;) i admit, it is a complex mix of things that can go wrong, but it can be done, most come from misconfigured DN, OU etc in your schme files |
| 12:11.51 | dutchfish | scheme* |
| 12:12.38 | engblom | dutchfish: This is my situation: I have a separate ldap server and a separate samba-server. I can already ssh into the samba server with ldap users, I can use sudo with ldap users etc, so the ldap part seem to work. |
| 12:13.02 | dutchfish | engblom, the easiest way out is to deploy a test envirenment for a simple setup of standard scheme that is used in that other os an dmake your future DC a member server, the promo it when all works |
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| 12:13.33 | engblom | dutchfish: I have also imported the samba schemas coming with samba-doc into the ldap server and that went through without any problem |
| 12:13.34 | dutchfish | ok |
| 12:13.44 | dutchfish | ok |
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| 12:14.13 | engblom | "No builtin nor plugin backend for passdb backend = ldapsam found" |
| 12:14.22 | dutchfish | so, you are stuck at the ldap bindings locally for passwd, groups and pam |
| 12:14.29 | engblom | That line says to me that I need an additional plugin installed |
| 12:14.41 | engblom | That is from the samba log |
| 12:14.55 | dutchfish | engblom, let me check something, a sec |
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| 12:18.04 | dutchfish | engblom, have you setup either /etc/pam.conf or /etc/pam.d/* for the right minimum_uid=1000 use_first_pass ? |
| 12:18.34 | dutchfish | engblom, see the docs of the author http://arthurdejong.org/nss-pam-ldapd/setup |
| 12:19.17 | dutchfish | engblom, and only install one, i see that the old and new method are supported in Jessie, only use one |
| 12:19.30 | dutchfish | engblom, preferable ldapd |
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| 12:20.58 | dutchfish | engblom, so only libnss-ldapd and libpam-ldapd |
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| 12:21.24 | dutchfish | engblom, on a fresh install that guides you through with a wizzard |
| 12:21.37 | dutchfish | engblom, that worked for me |
| 12:23.38 | dutchfish | (the local auth part for that system) |
| 12:24.01 | engblom | Both that part I already have working. getent passwd gives all users and I can log on as them |
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| 12:24.40 | encryptedlvm | Hi! Since update to Debian 8, I'm getting this error: Anacron job 'cron.daily': /etc/cron.daily/logrotate: Unrecognized command. |
| 12:24.40 | encryptedlvm | /etc/cron.daily/logrotate contains: |
| 12:24.40 | encryptedlvm | #!/bin/sh |
| 12:24.40 | encryptedlvm | test -x /usr/sbin/logrotate || exit 0 |
| 12:24.40 | encryptedlvm | /usr/sbin/logrotate /etc/logrotate.conf |
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| 12:24.52 | dutchfish | engblom, and of couse you have to configure pam for that new setup |
| 12:25.07 | dutchfish | engblom, so that pam nows how to use it |
| 12:25.14 | dutchfish | knows* |
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| 12:25.36 | encryptedlvm | Sorry for that long paste... |
| 12:27.13 | encryptedlvm | Here it is once again: http://paste.debian.net/208630/ |
| 12:27.17 | encryptedlvm | Does anyone know what is the problem? |
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| 12:28.29 | Brigo | encryptedlvm, is logrotate installed? |
| 12:29.00 | encryptedlvm | I think it is. I can run logrotate.. |
| 12:29.18 | encryptedlvm | # logrotate |
| 12:29.18 | encryptedlvm | logrotate 3.8.7 - Copyright (C) 1995-2001 Red Hat, Inc.... |
| 12:31.03 | dutchfish | engblom, got that |
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| 12:32.14 | Brigo | encryptedlvm, did you have chrony installed? |
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| 12:32.55 | dutchfish | engblom, one more thing; in /etc/libnss-ldap.conf the right phrase should be: uri ldap://[ip] ; and your ldap must be resolvable without ldap.[ip] |
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| 12:33.08 | encryptedlvm | No, I don't. |
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| 12:33.44 | itry | How would you guys update an Debian 6 server to debian 8 if you don't have physical access? |
| 12:35.13 | encryptedlvm | Brigo, but I can't install it. There is no package with name crony: E: Unable to locate package crony |
| 12:35.20 | dutchfish | engblom, then carefully look at pam configs at https://wiki.debian.org/LDAP/PAM |
| 12:35.43 | encryptedlvm | Sorry. :) |
| 12:35.49 | encryptedlvm | Reading state information... Done |
| 12:35.49 | encryptedlvm | chrony is already the newest version. |
| 12:35.55 | dutchfish | engblom, specially /etc/pam.d/common-password |
| 12:36.00 | rudi_s | itry: As usual, Debian 6 -> Debian 7 -> Debian 8. Usually it should work just fine. |
| 12:36.04 | encryptedlvm | So, I have that package. |
| 12:36.20 | itry | rudi_s: you mean "apt-get install dist-upgrade"? |
| 12:36.51 | Brigo | encryptedlvm, i asking becuase that: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=763542 |
| 12:36.52 | SynrGy | itry: no |
| 12:36.53 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/763542 in chrony (open, patch): «chrony: logrotate config file triggers an "Unrecognized command" error»; severity: normal; opened: 2014-09-30; last modified: 2015-04-23. |
| 12:36.56 | rudi_s | itry: I mean $EDITOR /etc/apt/sources.list s/squeeze/wheezy/g, apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; apt-get distupgrade and then the same with s/wheezy/jessie/ |
| 12:36.56 | Brigo | but it is quite old. |
| 12:37.21 | SynrGy | dpkg: squeeze->wheezy |
| 12:37.21 | dpkg | Read chapter 4 ("Upgrades from Debian 6.0") of the <release notes>. In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "squeeze" to "wheezy" (noting that <wheezy-backports> have changed on the mirrors). apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade. See also <squeeze->wheezy failures>. |
| 12:37.43 | SynrGy | dpkg: wheezy->jessie |
| 12:37.43 | dpkg | Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> http://deb.li/ldcj . In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "wheezy" to "jessie". apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. 3rd party repos like <dmo> are known to cause problems with the upgrade. See also <jessie sysvinit>. |
| 12:37.49 | rudi_s | Ah, dpkg knows everything as always. |
| 12:38.01 | SynrGy | yes :) |
| 12:38.25 | encryptedlvm | Brigo, there is one problem to add. When I have updated to Debian 8, I have not used apt-get, but aptitude. My mistake. Can it be a problem? |
| 12:38.52 | Brigo | encryptedlvm, off course not, you can use apt or aptitud, as you wish. |
| 12:39.06 | itry | rudi_s: interesting. so you have to change the sources by hand. |
| 12:39.28 | rudi_s | itry: As always, yes. |
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| 12:39.42 | encryptedlvm | Thanks Brigo. So, what am I going to do? |
| 12:39.42 | itry | rudi_s: i was expecting to install it into a new partition. |
| 12:39.59 | Brigo | encryptedlvm, if not chrony there wuold be some faulty file configuration in /etc/logrotate.d/ |
| 12:40.07 | rudi_s | encryptedlvm: aptitude and apt-get have slightly different package dependency resolution algorithms, but if everything worked, it's fine. |
| 12:40.09 | Brigo | encryptedlvm, i think :) |
| 12:40.20 | itry | rudi_s: i think i never updated a machine. i always was afraid that would let old cruft behind or bogous config files that don't work for the new software. |
| 12:40.51 | rudi_s | itry: With debian you can update the system, no need for a reinstallation. cruft is not really a problem. You can purge old packages (to remove their config files) and a few empty directories are not a problem. |
| 12:41.23 | rudi_s | I've machines running since lenny and never had any issues. |
| 12:41.31 | itry | rudi_s: what is lenny? |
| 12:41.55 | rudi_s | Old release, before squeeze. |
| 12:42.00 | dvs | !lenny |
| 12:42.00 | dpkg | Lenny is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 5.0, released on February 15th, 2009. Lenny security support ended on 2012-02-06, this release is no longer supported. Lenny users should upgrade to Squeeze, ask me about <lenny->squeeze>. Removed from the mirrors (2012-03-25), ask me about <lenny sources.list>. For old Lenny ISOs, ask me about <lenny iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny http://www.debian.org/News/2012/20120209 |
| 12:42.13 | itry | rudi_s: ah, 5! i started using debian with version 5. |
| 12:42.21 | itry | long time ago :) |
| 12:43.43 | itry | rudi_s: and what is <dmo>? |
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| 12:45.00 | rudi_s | !dmo |
| 12:45.00 | dpkg | We recommend against deb-multimedia.org; these unofficial packages are known to cause many hard to debug problems. They are not in Debian either because the they are too poor in quality or for legal reasons. See http://deb-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm wheezy>, <dmm jessie>. See also <dmm list>, <dmm mirrors>, <dmm pinning>, <why not dmm>, <dmm remove> |
| 12:45.40 | itry | rudi_s: hmm.. no idea if i use any of that. |
| 12:46.08 | rudi_s | itry: grep multi /etc/apt/sources.list will tell you that |
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| 12:46.27 | itry | rudi_s: ok, that comes back empty |
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| 12:46.49 | itry | rudi_s: linode suggests doing an apt-get install apt dpkg aptitude |
| 12:46.57 | itry | before the dist-upgrade |
| 12:47.03 | itry | any idea why? (im not on linode) |
| 12:47.20 | itry | here: https://www.linode.com/docs/security/upgrading/how-to-upgrade-to-debian-7-wheezy |
| 12:47.23 | rudi_s | itry: No. You don't need apt or aptitude, and dpkg is already installed. |
| 12:47.28 | itry | ok |
| 12:47.55 | rudi_s | Just follow the instructions dpkg (the bot) gave you above and you should be fine. Just remember that you can't skip a release. So you need first to update to wheezy and then to jessie! |
| 12:48.28 | itry | which instructions? |
| 12:48.44 | itry | oh i see |
| 12:49.15 | itry | i always get confused with these names. when i see "squeeze->weezy" i first have to look them up and translate it to "6->7". |
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| 12:50.37 | itry | they should have called then 6ong, 7eet, 8utter or something :) |
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| 13:00.48 | itry | rudi_s: will apache, mysql and php survive the update? |
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| 13:02.11 | jelly | itry: read the release notes. |
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| 13:03.00 | jelly | itry: versions change, and the software running on top of your LAMP stack might not like new versions |
| 13:03.13 | itry | yes, i expected that |
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| 13:03.33 | itry | ok, i will try it these days. |
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| 13:05.46 | itry | i just set up a new debian 8 vm to try things out |
| 13:06.11 | itry | when i do apt-get update, it tells me "Ignoring file '20auto-upgrades.ucf-dist' in directory '/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/' as it has an invalid filename extension" |
| 13:06.14 | itry | what is that? |
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| 13:10.45 | SynrG | itry: you have the unattended-upgrades package installed |
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| 13:11.57 | itry | SynrG: i see. and why does that make apt-get update stumble? |
| 13:11.58 | SynrG | Looks like the distributed copy of this file does not match the installed version, so this is a backup copy of the distributed version for you to compare, if desired |
| 13:12.09 | SynrG | It doesn't |
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| 13:12.31 | SynrG | It's just saying it's ignoring the backup copy |
| 13:12.38 | SynrG | As it should |
| 13:12.49 | ttasdf | itry: the man page for sources.list states "File names need to end with .list and |
| 13:12.49 | ttasdf | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:12.49 | ttasdf | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:12.49 | ttasdf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:13.11 | itry | SynrG: i see |
| 13:13.39 | SynrG | If you had meant a file in this dir to do something, this one is not named costly, so gets reported |
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| 13:13.48 | SynrG | Correctly* |
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| 13:26.20 | itry | is "checkrestart" still the way to check if a server needs a restart in debian 8? |
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| 13:37.33 | SynrG | itry: I've never used it. Instead i use these rules of thumb: |
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| 13:37.46 | rudi_s | itry: Yes. |
| 13:38.02 | rudi_s | (But you need to restart the host after a dist-upgrade anyway.) |
| 13:38.08 | SynrG | If a package needs to restart a service, it will. Or else if it doesn't, it will tell me it needs a restart soon |
| 13:38.51 | itry | ok |
| 13:38.51 | SynrG | And upon any upgrade involving the kernel i will schedule a restart soon |
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| 13:41.06 | SynrG | Better to find out sooner under controlled circumstances rather than later if an upgrade caused issues that only occur during system restart. So i make no efforts to protect my uptime. |
| 13:41.56 | envolution | i have a jessie install running with an openvz kernel (2.6.32-openvz-042stab108.2-amd64) and would like to install the xen-linux-system package. this shows what i think is a kernel upgrade package (xen-linux-system-3.16.0-4-amd64). Are openvz and Xen not currently able to work on the same host currently? |
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| 13:42.33 | l3archos | hi all. I have .css file which has NO line-breaks. Is there any tool which can read/parse that .css file and output in a human-readable format with line-breaks ? |
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| 13:43.09 | itry | l3archos: i would google for "css beautifier" and alike |
| 13:43.22 | l3archos | I'll give a try, thank you itry |
| 13:43.23 | SynrG | Or find the non compressed source |
| 13:43.36 | SynrG | It will probably be more readable |
| 13:44.08 | SynrG | Sensible variable names, original comments, etc. |
| 13:44.27 | SynrG | Compressed js and css are not meant to be read |
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| 13:45.04 | rudi_s | SynrG: itry: checkrestart is good for library updates which accept server processes. |
| 13:45.30 | SynrG | Yes, i know. I've just never used it |
| 13:45.30 | l3archos | itry: http://codebeautify.org/css-beautify-minify did the job fine. GREAT! Thanks again mate |
| 13:45.37 | SynrG | I read the man page |
| 13:46.13 | itry | l3archos: your welcome |
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| 13:47.10 | SynrG | checkrestart probably shouldn't be relied upon as the sole indicator |
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| 13:47.27 | SynrG | Use your good judgement as an admin |
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| 13:50.11 | rudi_s | SynrG: Well, it helps to find used libraries. And for that it's reliable. |
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| 13:58.10 | alfatau | hello all. I'd like to upgrade the default kernel to the latest stable version (i.e 4.x). I'm running jessie. Is there a recommended "debian-way" (e.g. backported packages) or should I upgrade "the-old-way" compiling sources and so on? thank you in advance |
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| 13:59.24 | dvs | !tell alfatau about kp |
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| 14:00.32 | bogus- | !tell bogus- about kp |
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| 14:01.05 | dvs | too late! |
| 14:01.36 | bogus- | for what? |
| 14:01.41 | dvs | kp |
| 14:04.46 | Agent_Isai | I was upgrading to Debian 8.1 and I got "Current status: 0 updates [-22]." after "Processing triggers for libc-bin (2.19-18) ..." Does that mean it's finished |
| 14:04.50 | Agent_Isai | ?" |
| 14:04.53 | Agent_Isai | ?** |
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| 14:06.40 | dvs | Agent_Isai: Yes, it installed or updated 22 packages. |
| 14:06.53 | Agent_Isai | Oh, thanks. |
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| 14:08.51 | guest441 | hello |
| 14:09.04 | guest441 | on debian stable (jessie) xfce desktop, gambas IDE menus, dialogs did not integrate with xfce theme. how do I fix? |
| 14:09.23 | guest441 | everything at default, no 3rd party themes or settings |
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| 14:14.09 | wCPO | Is there a firmware meta package? I want to install all firmware packages, it for a live build image. |
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| 14:15.18 | Brigo | wCPO, i doubt it. |
| 14:16.01 | Brigo | wCPO, but may be you can use apt-get install firmware* |
| 14:16.21 | wCPO | Brigo: I'm playing with apt-get regex now.. Seems like what I want.. |
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| 14:17.27 | wCPO | ^firmware-* seems to be the right regex |
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| 14:18.50 | maziar | is there any best practice for configuration for configuraion nginx with varnish on debian jessie ? |
| 14:19.50 | maziar | is there any best practice for configuration for configuration nginx with varnish ? |
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| 14:25.58 | MickyW | Thank you so far. Bye, bye. |
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| 14:26.40 | sdes | Hi I dont know if this is the right place to ask but I tried to get Japanese input in my computer following this guide that uses ibus http://okomestudio.net/biboroku/?p=1834 and now I have this US keyboard by default and I cant get my old Hungarian layout back. Do you know what I did wrong? I uninstalled what the guide told me to install but I still have the wrong input |
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| 14:31.27 | jelly | wCPO: aptitude show '?source-package(firmware-nonfree)' ... and replace show with install, that will grab all the stuff from the kernel. Still missing: intel and amd microcode, maybe other stuff |
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| 14:35.55 | wCPO_ | jelly: I think I just stick with ^firmware-* |
| 14:36.43 | wCPO_ | My internet is rather unstable, so maybe I miss som answear, sorry. |
| 14:37.00 | jelly | wCPO_: and you'll still miss intel-microcode, amd64-microcode |
| 14:37.14 | sdes | I dont understand I did dkpg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration and then service keyboard-setup restart and its still American layout |
| 14:38.03 | wCPO_ | jelly: Yes, I can just add them to the packages list.. |
| 14:38.19 | wCPO_ | sdes: Try play with localectl |
| 14:38.23 | wCPO_ | If debian jessie.. |
| 14:39.01 | sdes | wait using udevadm helped |
| 14:39.17 | sdes | although I did something wrong I think. |
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| 14:40.40 | sdes | I used to be able to change this in the gnome control settings. Why can't I now? |
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| 14:49.59 | sixgod | Hi, sendmail is sending out e-mail from "root@debian", how can I change it for it to send out e-mail from myuser@mydomain.com? |
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| 14:53.54 | jokke | hi |
| 14:54.09 | jokke | i'm trying to get adc to work on my beaglebone black running debian |
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| 14:54.14 | sdes | a |
| 14:54.47 | jokke | there's no /sys/devices/bone_capemgr.* |
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| 14:55.18 | jokke | maybe i'm missing something |
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| 15:11.36 | tpanarch1st | hello, does anybody know of any guides for installing SELinux and getting it to work with Debian? |
| 15:12.02 | tpanarch1st | (Debian 8) |
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| 15:29.03 | VsyachePuz | why debian is better than Sabayon Linux, Calculate Linux or other binary gentoo distribution ? |
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| 15:29.20 | dreamer | VsyachePuz: that is a silly question |
| 15:29.39 | dreamer | and quite inappropriate |
| 15:29.49 | dreamer | debian is debian. binary gentoo is binary gentoo |
| 15:29.54 | dreamer | why does either have to be 'better'? |
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| 15:30.21 | VsyachePuz | dreamer: my friend uses Debian, and i don't understood why he does so. May be there is some technical reason for this (like release cycle), and I want to know it |
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| 15:31.14 | dreamer | debian is one of the oldest distributions with good stability and support |
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| 15:31.43 | dreamer | binary gentoo is just a way to make gentoo use less cpu cycles for compiling all the time :P |
| 15:31.52 | VsyachePuz | dreamer: many other distributions have good support too. Gentoo have fine manuals. |
| 15:31.59 | anddam | anyone around using gnustep from jessie? I'm experiencing deadly slowdown, the file save dialog in projectcenter (or other app) reacts after tens of seconds to mouse or keyboard interaction |
| 15:32.09 | VsyachePuz | dreamer: so please explain the point about stability |
| 15:32.15 | anddam | I'd like a confirmation if someone's available, it takes just a couple minutes |
| 15:33.48 | dreamer | VsyachePuz: I don't feel the need to do so. it seems that you've never heard about debian before. which is odd. go learn your linux-history first. then come back with questions. |
| 15:35.01 | VsyachePuz | dreamer: i know that debian's package manager tries to remove half of packages each time, and user should be very carefull when installing something. Gentoo is easier for me |
| 15:35.12 | dreamer | VsyachePuz: maybe a nice annecdote about debian's stability: the 6 release is used on the ISS for this reason. |
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| 15:35.30 | dreamer | VsyachePuz: that statement is bullshit (excuse my language) |
| 15:35.45 | dreamer | "I know that gentoo is the cause of global warming" |
| 15:35.56 | dreamer | go troll somewhere else. |
| 15:36.16 | VsyachePuz | dreamer: the global warming is good, otherwise we will have one more ice age |
| 15:37.43 | VsyachePuz | dreamer: i think somewhere should be an article, which explains, how stable API for releases reduces total maintenance cost |
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| 15:40.45 | kate | so er. any idea what might cause this? (when trying to apt-get various things): Jun 07 16:39:57 iona systemd-sysctl[26480]: Failed to write ''0 2147483647'' to '/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ping |
| 15:41.25 | kate | to /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ping_group_range, that is. i can set those parameters there by hand, with no error |
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| 15:42.33 | kate | i figured it must be the kernel's responsibility to reject that setting, so i tried various kernels, with the same effect. but i can't reproduce that problem by hand, and i don't understand what apt is actually causing to happen there |
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| 15:45.36 | blackjack | kate you on jessie? |
| 15:46.38 | kate | 8.0 according to debian_version, so i suppose so... |
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| 15:48.07 | blackjack | dreamer: international space station uses debian 6? |
| 15:48.13 | blackjack | wow. thats a trivia. hehe |
| 15:48.16 | kate | i can install things (as long as the dependencies are satisfied) running dpkg by hand, but apt-get fails for pretty much anything, because the above error is stopping it from doing something it needs to systemd |
| 15:48.48 | dreamer | blackjack: yup. over 2 years already |
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| 15:49.05 | dreamer | https://training.linuxfoundation.org/why-our-linux-training/training-reviews/linux-foundation-training-prepares-the-international-space-station-for-linux-migration |
| 15:49.14 | blackjack | cool. |
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| 15:49.28 | dreamer | Robonaut (R2) runs debian 6 as well :) |
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| 15:50.11 | ZIPY | is sourceforge.net down for you too? |
| 15:50.13 | blackjack | dreamer, how about voyager 1 |
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| 15:50.25 | blackjack | the system thats in there is really so stable its still working.. |
| 15:50.34 | dreamer | haha |
| 15:50.40 | dreamer | yeah, but that's not even an OS ;) |
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| 15:53.57 | TuomasKotamaa | ...What a week. Sure is summer. After reminding myself how difficult it can get sometimes I just want to thank everyone working for Debian for doing their best to make it sort of work. |
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| 16:14.04 | alfatau | hello all. I've some performance issues on my laptop with an external disk. The problem seems to be queue_depth is set to 1 instead of 31. hdparm -Q31 /dev/sdx doesn't changes the queue depth. I'm actually expecting nearly 250MB/s while I'm stucked to 80MB/s. On another computer the disk performs over 400MB/s. can you help me? |
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| 16:30.16 | itry | Looks like in Debian 8, the default apache DocumentRoot is now /var/www/html instead of /var/www. Is there a reason behind this? |
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| 16:31.33 | vandox | towo, do you mind if i pm you? |
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| 16:34.15 | jelly | itry: yes |
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| 16:35.40 | jelly | itry: zless /usr/share/doc/apache2/NEWS.Debian.gz |
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| 16:36.49 | itry | i see |
| 16:37.26 | itry | to unzip stuff in debian 8, should i "apt-get install unzip"? |
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| 16:38.21 | Agent_Isai | itry: install zip |
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| 16:38.32 | itry | why that? |
| 16:38.36 | Agent_Isai | the zip package has unzip included |
| 16:39.02 | itry | but i only want to unzip |
| 16:39.19 | Agent_Isai | itry: hmm |
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| 16:39.51 | itry | can't remember when i zipped something for the last time |
| 16:40.03 | itry | and when i need to, i still can do "apt-get install zip", right? |
| 16:40.18 | Agent_Isai | Yes |
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| 16:40.42 | Agent_Isai | hmm |
| 16:40.46 | Agent_Isai | bash crashed |
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| 16:40.59 | jelly | judd: file usr/bin/unzip |
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| 16:41.12 | jelly | judd: file /usr/bin/unzip |
| 16:41.20 | judd | Search for usr/bin/unzip in jessie/amd64: unzip: usr/bin/unzip |
| 16:41.23 | judd | Search for /usr/bin/unzip in jessie/amd64: unzip: usr/bin/unzip |
| 16:41.27 | itry | Agent_Isai: you install too much :) |
| 16:41.36 | Agent_Isai | itry: heh |
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| 16:41.47 | jelly | itry: seems the package name is unzip after all. Don't trust random people on irc! |
| 16:43.28 | Agent_Isai | jelly: I did sudo apt-get install unzip (I thought zip was the only way to install unzip) then bash crashed so I didn't say anything. |
| 16:44.29 | Agent_Isai | And my clock skipped 307 seconds. |
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| 16:51.28 | dreamer | 'bash crashed'? |
| 16:51.55 | srg | Not a phrase you hear often. |
| 16:52.08 | dreamer | I don't think I've heard that ever |
| 16:52.45 | towo` | vandox, do i know you? |
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| 16:56.04 | dreamer | towo`: you don't cyber with strangers? ;) |
| 16:56.15 | vandox | we once talked breifly about nvidia drivers |
| 16:56.29 | towo` | vandox, then why not talk here? |
| 16:57.15 | vandox | okay. which were those siduction repos with the nvidia-driver package |
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| 16:59.02 | vandox | you mentioned them |
| 16:59.02 | towo` | vandox, http://paste.debian.net/209257/ |
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| 16:59.35 | vandox | thanks, i'll have a look on them |
| 17:01.14 | Isai | Hi, why is my system in read-only file mode? |
| 17:01.37 | towo` | Isai, why should anyone knows? |
| 17:02.04 | towo` | Isai, is equal to "why my car don't start?" |
| 17:02.09 | Isai | heh |
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| 17:13.29 | pepperpot | 7 in 1 Scripts Website Value Calculator, Short URL, Page Builder(Drag and Drop), SEO Analyzer with PDF Reports, Ajax Star Rating, Ajax Reviews with Star Rating, Favicons Generator (Favicons.net clone) all in one ZIP FIILE!! www.websiteadverts.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=24 |
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| 17:17.58 | computerquip | Why does debootstrap require root privileges? |
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| 17:18.59 | jelly | computerquip: because chroot and package installations do |
| 17:21.29 | computerquip | Herm... didn't think about it needing to chroot into the environment to do package installations. That makes sense. |
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| 17:24.14 | dreamer | that's kind of the definition of debootstrap haha |
| 17:25.10 | computerquip | Well, in my head, I was thinking, "wait a minute... it's downloading packages in a user writable environment... where are the root privileges needed" |
| 17:25.44 | computerquip | I've been derping a lot lately for some reason... |
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| 17:30.04 | ptrz | what's the preferred home dir for an unprivileged daemon user in debian? |
| 17:30.11 | ptrz | I noticed that /var/empty doesn't exist |
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| 17:33.23 | ptrz | never mind, it seems that it just gets assumed with --system |
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| 17:36.11 | Trow | when we have a new server what that app that we install it to make the access to foobar.com accessible ? |
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| 17:38.27 | petn-randall | Trow: Can you elaborate? I don't understand your question. |
| 17:38.46 | Trow | well its apache2 |
| 17:38.56 | Isai | A web server? |
| 17:39.01 | Trow | thanks anyway |
| 17:39.15 | Trow | yes it s for a web server |
| 17:40.05 | Isai | Just do sudo apt-get install apache2 or sudo apt-get install nginx (or whatever the other web server is called) |
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| 17:40.29 | petn-randall | lighttpd? |
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| 17:40.48 | Isai | idk |
| 17:40.51 | ptrz | petn-randall: agreed. the simpler the better. |
| 17:40.54 | Trow | yeah yeah i was searching for the name .. it s ok now its apache2 --" |
| 17:41.00 | Trow | thanks everyone |
| 17:41.04 | Isai | np |
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| 17:41.32 | Isai | if you try to install apache (not apache2) apt-get will say you need some stuff. |
| 17:41.39 | Isai | Anyway |
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| 18:01.58 | Dirkson | Hey all. I'm trying to install libuv1-dev , only available in sid. But when I type "apt-get install libuv1-dev/sid" , I get back "E: Unable to locate package libuv1-dev". I have this as my /etc/apt/preferences file : http://pastebin.com/3fzXC33s |
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| 18:06.34 | towo` | Dirkson, sid and unstable is the same, so you only need one entry |
| 18:06.50 | towo` | Dirkson, and you have a line for unstable in your sources.list? |
| 18:07.06 | shay_shay | ,checkbackport libuv1-dev |
| 18:07.07 | judd | Backporting package libuv1-dev in sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie, archignore. |
| 18:07.30 | shay_shay | !tell Dirkson about pinning |
| 18:07.42 | shay_shay | !tell Dirkson about ssb |
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| 18:09.27 | shay_shay | Dirkson: you need to compile a backport from did. the instructions have been PM'd to you by the dpkg bot |
| 18:11.22 | Dirkson | towo`: Removed sit, will use "unstable". I take it I need a line for unstable in my sources.list? : ) |
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| 18:12.02 | shay_shay | !mixing releases |
| 18:12.03 | dpkg | well, mixing releases is unsupported and *can* and *will* damage your system |
| 18:12.08 | hypn0 | backports are normally from testing, not unstable |
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| 18:13.16 | shay_shay | hypn0: nothing is stopping you from making one from unstable. he already said its only available in sid |
| 18:13.19 | Dirkson | shay_shay: I'm aware it's a bad idea, and limit its use. In this case, the only packages affected are libuv, so I feel pretty safe. Plus, I think my own software is the only thing on the system using libuv, so I'm doubly-safe : ) |
| 18:14.43 | shay_shay | Dirkson: well you are taking the most treacherous and complicated way to get it. all this labor you spent on pinning and it would have been compiled by now |
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| 18:15.47 | Dirkson | shay_shay: It's done, man. Only thing I needed to work out was that pinning needed lines in sources.list . Got the new libuv installed... Although it's not making my error go away. I suspect I've also got a copy of libuv internal to my software that I need to update. |
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| 18:17.05 | Dirkson | There it goes! Now it just segfaults immediately. Ah, the joys of coding. |
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| 18:19.06 | shay_shay | classic xyproblem ;) |
| 18:19.45 | hypn0 | was it bug after all that |
| 18:20.38 | Dirkson | shay_shay: And, after some tinkering, it's to the point where my game loads up, connects to the server, and does... nothing. That's going to be an internal problem with the patch, I think. |
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| 18:47.19 | BuFF | hey, is there some sort of specific configuration for smokeping to draw graphs v2.6.8-2? |
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| 19:01.14 | nonewhatsoever | is http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/.jessie_release/debian-cd/amd64/iso-cd/debian-8.1.0-amd64-CD-1.iso the definite debian 8.1 iso for amd64 cpus? |
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| 19:03.59 | nonewhatsoever | is it??? |
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| 19:06.39 | hypn0 | what do you want? a smaller netinstall image? |
| 19:07.06 | nonewhatsoever | i want debian 8.1 CD1 for amd64 |
| 19:08.06 | hypn0 | to install? |
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| 19:15.01 | hypn0 | these millennial have no patience, now, now, now :-) |
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| 19:16.06 | dvs | hypn0: Yeah, they want something that's still in the future! |
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| 19:17.48 | hypn0 | yeh, i saw, 8.1 already :-) though its not surprising with a all those bugs at release |
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| 19:31.41 | computerquip | Where is repository information normally held? I used debootstrap, chrooted into the environment, and found I can use apt-get but there's nothing in sources.list or sources.list.d. |
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| 19:33.47 | shay_shay | /etc/apt/sources.list for the main ones |
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| 19:34.55 | shay_shay | co |
| 19:35.00 | computerquip | facepalms. |
| 19:35.15 | shay_shay | computerquip: try apt-get update then see if it still works |
| 19:35.17 | computerquip | I must have mispelled the filename whenever I tried to output its contents. |
| 19:35.25 | shay_shay | oh ok |
| 19:35.32 | shay_shay | I figured |
| 19:36.13 | hypn0 | one letter is all it takes, guis :-P |
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| 19:36.33 | hypn0 | the number of times it happens :-) |
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| 19:39.18 | at0m | <computerquip> I must have mispelled |
| 19:39.27 | at0m | that's wht tab-completion |
| 19:39.30 | at0m | why |
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| 20:00.46 | logan0405 | Hey I've got 2 finger scrolling enabled in my Mouse & Touchpad settings, but want to disable only two finger horizontal scrolling. Anyone know how |
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| 20:36.53 | damarusama | hi there, trying to get a citizen thermal printer to work on debian - |
| 20:37.18 | damarusama | I don't think there is a driver for that, but it's a text only printer, b/w 3 inch wide - |
| 20:37.50 | damarusama | I guess my best bet is to find a similar printer and try to use that driver? |
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| 20:38.39 | xand | text-only printers don't necessarily need any drivers, you can often just write to /dev/lp0 or similar |
| 20:38.54 | damarusama | right |
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| 20:39.20 | jokke | i was afk for some while |
| 20:39.20 | damarusama | but I need it setup in the system so that other application can 'reach' it |
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| 20:39.39 | jokke | i asked about sys files for the adc of a beagle bone black |
| 20:39.46 | jokke | dunno if something came up |
| 20:40.06 | jokke | anyways.. theire not where every tutorial states they would be |
| 20:40.14 | jokke | i can't find them anywhere |
| 20:41.28 | jokke | there's some capemgr script that is run at boot and there's a config for that in /etc. I added BB_ADC to it (because i managed to find out that its a builtin "cape" with that name). But that didn't have any effect either |
| 20:41.44 | jokke | i also checked dmesg but there was nothing of relevance there either |
| 20:42.11 | jokke | maybe i'm also asking in the wrong chan, if so could me direct to a specific arm debian channel? |
| 20:42.23 | jokke | *could you direct me |
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| 21:08.20 | dgeary2 | running debian jessie. have a volume that has no space available. deleting a file causes the 'used' counter to decrease, but 'available' remains at 0. any ideas? |
| 21:09.14 | jerichowasahoax | dgeary2: tried fsck? |
| 21:09.42 | dgeary2 | no |
| 21:09.59 | jelly | dgeary2: it's normal. you need to delete more to reach free space for users; some free space is reserved for root |
| 21:11.04 | dgeary2 | jelly, good point. volume is 95% full |
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| 21:12.50 | jelly | dgeary2: if you're in a hurry, you can decrease the amount reserved for root using tune2fs -m ... or -r ...; default is 5% (tune2fs -m5 /dev/blockdevicewithyourfs) |
| 21:14.21 | dgeary2 | 'tune2fs -l' shows 'Reserved block count' less than 'Free blocks' |
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| 21:16.49 | dgeary2 | will wait until 5% threshold has been breached with me deleting files that aren't needed |
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| 21:19.52 | shay_shay | whats the difference between the gstreamer1.0-plugins-ugly gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly packages? |
| 21:20.35 | shay_shay | nvm |
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| 21:30.11 | dgeary2 | shay_shay, i suspect they are plugin packs for different gstreamer versions |
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| 21:32.31 | dgeary2 | shay_shay, looks like some programs require gstreamer1.0 whereas others require gstreamer0.10 |
| 21:32.48 | shay_shay | yeah and they can only be linked to one or the other |
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| 22:37.11 | buddybenj | Why won't the GNOME user settings let me switch an administrator account to standard? |
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| 22:40.28 | phix | :D |
| 22:40.31 | phix | Welcome Shibe! |
| 22:40.33 | Shibe | hi phix |
| 22:40.52 | Shibe | Hi guys, I want to know how I can limit a processes resources while calling it using the subprocess module in Python |
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| 22:41.47 | pvoigt | I have just pulled in a systemd upgrade via apt-get upgrade under Jessie. Does this require a reboot? |
| 22:42.19 | Shibe | pvoigt: well it is an update to your init system |
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| 22:43.21 | pvoigt | Shibe: Hm, supposed so, thanks. |
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| 22:45.49 | buddybenj | Is Debian 8.1 still going to be released soon? |
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| 22:46.54 | phy1729 | dpkg: 8.1 |
| 22:46.54 | dpkg | Debian 8.1 was released on June 6, 2015. This point release corrects some serious bugs and copies security updates across to the main archive. Further details are at https://lists.debian.org/debian-stable-announce/2015/06/msg00000.html and http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie/ChangeLog . To upgrade, ask me about <point release>. |
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| 22:48.53 | buddybenj | Ah, thanks. Didn't realize it was already released. |
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| 22:49.35 | jarray52 | How do I install dhclient on debian? |
| 22:50.01 | dvs | ,v dhclient3 |
| 22:50.02 | judd | No package named 'dhclient3' was found in amd64. |
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| 22:51.26 | jarray52 | ,v dhclient3 |
| 22:51.27 | judd | No package named 'dhclient3' was found in amd64. |
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| 22:52.17 | jarray52 | dvs: I am on amd64. |
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| 22:54.35 | buddybenj | For upgrading a point release, is it recommended that I use aptitude or apt-get |
| 22:54.36 | buddybenj | ? |
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| 22:56.21 | dvs | judd: version dhcp-client |
| 22:56.23 | judd | No package named 'dhcp-client' was found in amd64. |
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| 22:58.54 | dvs | judd: version isc-dhcp-client |
| 22:58.55 | judd | Package: isc-dhcp-client on amd64 -- squeeze: 4.1.1-P1-15+squeeze8; squeeze-security: 4.1.1-P1-15+squeeze8; wheezy: 4.2.2.dfsg.1-5+deb70u6; jessie: 4.3.1-6; sid: 4.3.2-1; stretch: 4.3.2-1 |
| 22:59.00 | dvs | that's messed up |
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| 23:03.41 | dvs | yes, it does |
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| 23:09.46 | jarray52 | dvs: I see. It is in /sbin/. |
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| 23:15.21 | foskassept | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:17.05 | foskassept | nothing? |
| 23:17.42 | dvs | not really a Debian question |
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| 23:31.22 | bazhang | foskassept, #httpd |
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