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00:17.01Dovidhi. debian install is asking for a file from: http://ftp2.halpanet.org/source/_dev/linux-firmware.git/bnx2/. I am installing the OS via a HP iLO card. is there any tool that will allow me to make a USB image of one file so I can load it up on the server so I can install the OS?
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00:17.42maazuDovid: just a minute...
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00:20.20maazuDovid: you could copy the firmware file into a USB thumbdrive and installer will figure out the rest
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00:21.43Dovidmaazu: server is in a data center. i am configuring remotely via an hp ilo card so i need a usb image
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00:23.30maazuDovid: your installing via ???
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00:27.19Dovidmaazu: via HP iLO card
00:28.24maazuDovid: is that USB device?
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00:29.17Dovidno. but i can use an image of a usb
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00:30.07maazuDovid: your suppose to prepare a USB image of Jessie in advance
00:30.16Dovidjessie == ?
00:30.28SachikoJessie == Debian 8
00:30.56DovidI am using an iso that i am installing off of. the issue is it's asking for drivers for the NIC
00:31.15phixDovid: ok
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00:32.06maazuDovid: ask dpkg for 'firmware' then download the appropriate file to your HP card, the installer will do the rest
00:32.19Dovidthanks
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00:33.01maazuDovid: you are welcome :)
00:33.06RdrOfTheSt0rm_how do i report a bug still still affecting a package thats marked as fixed?
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00:33.48maazuRdrOfTheSt0rm_: if you want the attention of dev, post your report to forums.debian.net
00:34.15maazuRdrOfTheSt0rm_: er... under the group General Discussion?
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00:34.47RdrOfTheSt0rm_maazu: ok ill have a look there thanks
00:35.01maazuRdrOfTheSt0rm_: your are welcome :)
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00:48.08maazubye all
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00:48.56leloneed an idea on how to implement a project... the client will connect to a web server, which will run the client request against a local software, waits for the output and forwards it to the client once again. How would you guys go about implementing this?
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00:56.06SteveLuxeHi all! :) Question for you. Is there a way to test third-party firmware for a system device without rebooting?
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01:09.33dgeary2lelo, how long does the processing take?
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01:11.33lelodgeary2: about 2s
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01:11.50dgeary2SteveLuxe, if the device is PCI or USB and the host is not actually using it, you might be able to use QEMU with passthrough for it
01:12.06dgeary2lelo, CGI script?
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01:12.28lelodgeary2: yeah, I am thinking about fcgi too :-)
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01:29.14SteveLuxeis anyone there?
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01:29.26dvs!ask
01:29.26dpkgIf you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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01:29.51AdemanDoes anyone have an opinion on mount --bind vs a symlink for /home? Most discussion I've seen has advised against using mount --bind for anything, since most tools have desirable (default) behavior when they encounter a symlink, but bind mounting /home seems reasonable enough to me...
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01:30.11SteveLuxeis it possible to load firmware for a device without a reboot on Debian 8?
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01:30.49dvsSteveLuxe: reload the module w/modprobe
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01:31.52SteveLuxedvs, how do I find the module name? I see it listed in dmesg, but it's listed as sst-acpi 80860F28:00:
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01:32.29SteveLuxeI've tried modprobe sst-acpi, and modprobe 80860F28:00
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01:34.07SteveLuxethere's also one that's called INT3403:06 which failed with error -22
01:34.11dvsSteveLuxe: no such module (at least with the default kernel)
01:34.12bsdtuxCan someone tell me how to load the iwlwifi-7265-9.ucode during install. I have a fat formated usb drive plugged in with jessie firmware.tar.gz and firmware-iwlwifi_0.44_all.deb but neither seem to be loading. I can mount the usb stick but I still can't get the installer to pickup the files
01:34.44dvs!tell bsdtux about firmware iso
01:34.57SteveLuxeright... it tells me that there's no such module dvs
01:35.06Shibehow do I limit a processes resources?
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01:35.54dvsSteveLuxe: I don't know what the module name is.
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01:36.56bsdtuxdvs I found the firmware-8.1.0-amd64 iso. So I guess I should copy that to the usb drive then mount the usb drive copy the iso and then do a mount -o loop firmware-8.1.0-amd64.iso?
01:36.59SteveLuxeI wouldn't expect you to know the module name, dvs, I just wondered if there's a place that I could look in the logs to find which module is looking for the firmware
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01:38.26dvsbsdtux: Why would you mount the firmware iso once you copy it to the usb?
01:38.57dvsSteveLuxe: There's no definite log entry to look for each module is different.
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01:39.07Shibeasking again
01:39.08Shibehow do I limit a processes resources?
01:39.15bsdtuxwill the install see the firmware iso.  I am reading the page for it and it looks like I just need to write that iso to a usb disk.
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01:39.33dvsbsdtux: Yes, and then you boot from the USB.
01:40.30SteveLuxeahh okay, thanks dvs...
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01:40.55bsdtuxOk Then the iso I have with the install for debian 8 with kde is not needed then?
01:41.02SteveLuxeI was trying to avoid rebooting the machine, as it's in a remote location, and I don't have physical access to the machine
01:41.26dvsbsdtux: No
01:41.50dvsSteveLuxe: What firmware file is it trying to load?
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01:45.38SteveLuxedvs: intel/fw_sst_0f28.bin-i2s_master
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01:46.54bsdtuxdvs that worked. looks like it found my wireless card
01:47.00dvsSteveLuxe: I have no clue what module that firmware file is for.  It's not listed in the debian packages.
01:47.23SteveLuxeIt's for intel baytrail audio / acpi support
01:47.24dvsbsdtux: yay!
01:47.43SteveLuxefor an Intel Atom SOC machine
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01:49.56dvsSteveLuxe: I have no clue what module that firmware file belongs to
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01:51.25SteveLuxeyeah... I'm going through everything trying to find it, dvs
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01:54.51SteveLuxeI think I may have found it... sdhci_acpi
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02:01.25Guest56872Hey guys, which is better to use BIOS or UEFI?  i have heard conflicting advice
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02:02.48Guest56872Also, can u use a GPT format SSD, in BIOS, or do u have to use UEFI for that?
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02:03.09bsdtuxGuest56872 you can use gpt in both I believe
02:03.10XX-GAY_POO-XXlol
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02:03.47Guest56872bsdtux: do u use BIOS or UEFI?
02:04.11XX-GAY_POO-XXwho has drugs
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02:05.13bsdtuxUEFI but that is because I have a brand new dell and dual booting both windows 8.1 and currently installing debian
02:05.51bsdtuxI also have an older server that doesn't need UEFI so I use BIOS on it
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02:06.10Guest56872so if u had a choice, what would u use?
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02:07.54bsdtuxProbably bios so that I don't have to fool around with creating a partition and set it to EF00.
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02:08.10dvsyay
02:08.42Guest56872bsdtux: what is EF00?
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02:09.11blackjackcan someone tell me whats the newest version of openbox can debian wheezy be installed?
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02:10.10bsdtuxWhen using UEFI you have to set a partition to use EF00 or bios_grub (I think that is what it is called) then format it with vfat. Normally only needs to be 1 MB in size. Since the MBR only needs to be in the 1st 440 MB I believe. However I will say this UEFI does have its' strong points and can be worth using.
02:10.27soundtoxinblackjack: I don't think openbox gets updated anymore so I'm sure it can use the newest
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02:10.52blackjacksoundtoxin, im using wheezy and im not using the newest version.
02:11.03blackjacki just wanted to know if thats the case with some of you here
02:11.07soundtoxinhm
02:11.10soundtoxinwell wheezy is oldstable now
02:11.15soundtoxinso I don't know if many people will be using it still
02:11.24blackjacksoundtoxin, how do i verify version before downloading on repository?
02:11.49soundtoxinI don't know unfortunately, if I were you I'd probably open the apt man page and search for version
02:11.59blackjacki tried deb 8 , and i felt its slower on my slower machines. thats why i revert back to 7.8
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02:12.16soundtoxinhm
02:12.28soundtoxinit'd probably be better to find out why it's slow than to go to an older version
02:12.42soundtoxinunless it's slower because of systemd.. I think that was new to jessie
02:13.13bsdtuxblackjack looks like the current version is 3.6 and debian wheezy shows 3.5.0-7 for openbox
02:13.15Guest56872bsdtux: thanks
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02:13.46soundtoxinblackjack: sudo apt list openbox
02:13.54bsdtuxGuest56872 np. I hope my ramblings made some sense. I took me a while to understand UEFI and even then I still only know a little bit about it.
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02:14.38soundtoxinblackjack: I have 3.5.2-8 on Jessie with no newer version available to me
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02:15.10blackjacksoundtoxin, oh, you on jessie, still you using older version, the newest version is 3.6 hmmm
02:15.25bsdtuxsoundtoxin looks like 3.6 came right after 3.5.2 so doesn't look like jessie is too far behind.
02:15.29blackjackthats on openbox page
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02:15.37bsdtuxat least thats what I see on their changelog
02:15.45blackjackyeah
02:15.45soundtoxinI heard openbox was abandoned
02:15.52soundtoxinare you sure 3.6 is newest?
02:16.06blackjacki was expecting they would use 3.6 as openbox seldom updates
02:16.11soundtoxinmaybe you can compile 3.6 but I don't think it's in the repos
02:16.17blackjacki wonder why they dont think of it as 'stable'
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02:16.29soundtoxinwell I was using jessie for several months when it was testing
02:16.37soundtoxinand openbox hasn't updated the whole time
02:16.38blackjackcheck here soundtoxin to see --> http://openbox.org/wiki/Openbox:Changelog#3.6
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02:17.15bsdtuxblackjack soundtoxin I wish they would have timestamped their changelog
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02:17.49soundtoxinhm
02:18.04soundtoxinwell I recall coming across a github at some point where it had been a couple years since the last commit
02:18.35blackjacksoundtoxin,, im using 3.5.2-6~bpo70+1
02:18.42soundtoxindoes anyone know if 3.6 is in the sid repos?
02:18.54bsdtuxok so I downoaded the source and looked at the modified time on the change log and it shows Janurary 12, 2015
02:19.02soundtoxinoh okay
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02:19.12soundtoxinthat's way more recent than I remember
02:19.14soundtoxinmaybe it's not dead after all
02:19.30blackjack2015!! well yeahhh, wtg openbox
02:19.31blackjacklol
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02:20.15soundtoxinso I guess you'll have to compile it from source if you want the newer one blackjack
02:20.22blackjackyeah
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02:20.36blackjackand i dont think its worth the trouble. debian knows better
02:20.37blackjacklol
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02:21.07soundtoxinI wouldn't worry about it unless something in the changelog was something you cared about
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02:21.42blackjackhmmmm kinda cool
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02:22.28blackjacksoundtoxin, its like tempting to update, coz if you see the changelog, it has plenty of features it added, unlike the one on 3.5.2
02:22.40blackjackbut i guess, new features means new bugs
02:22.51soundtoxinyeah but if those features aren't things you use then there's no reason to stress over it
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02:23.13soundtoxinI've encountered some bugs that I think are probably the fault of openbox but they don't sound like anything in that changelog so I won't rush to update
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02:23.26bsdtuxwell that is interesting. Jessie / Sid / Testing all have the same version of openbox
02:23.28soundtoxinand now that I know openbox isn't quite dead yet I will probably try to report the bugs I've found
02:23.58soundtoxinbsdtux: I was pretty sure that was the case, but my reasoning was "openbox is dead"
02:24.06blackjacksoundtoxin, install the sid version, it will update your openbox 3.5.0 to 3.5.2 ;)
02:24.09soundtoxinso you telling me Jan 2015 had a change throws everything out of balance in my head
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02:24.32soundtoxinopenbox/stable,now 3.5.2-8 amd64 [installed]
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02:25.37bsdtuxwell I wanted to start down the path of becoming a debian package maintainer. This might be a fun first attempt at learning how to package from source
02:25.43blackjackoh sorry. maybe i mistaken you from somebody else. i think thats the guy from the cb channel. lol
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02:30.05blackjacksoundtoxin, you using debian jessie on openbox?
02:30.18soundtoxinblackjack: yeah
02:30.19blackjackplain debian install and openbox?
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02:30.27blackjacki see. cool
02:30.36soundtoxinI used to use #!
02:30.42blackjacki just experienced my openbox on #!
02:30.44soundtoxinswitched to regular debian a couple years ago, used my same configs
02:30.49blackjackim still on it. (coz of my old hardware)
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02:31.34blackjackyou also installed manually wall whats in #! ?
02:31.43blackjacklike tint2, conky, etc
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02:32.04blackjackyou installed manually all whats in #! rather
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02:49.10lasdamhey. recently installed Debian Jenny. seems I can't chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf anymore nor /etc/resolvconf/run/resolv.conf even if I delete and re-make the last file, however I can make a regular file on /etc/resolv.conf, but I noticed I get warnings for that in openvpn
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02:49.17lasdamso what's the right way to go about this? I'd like to not have to manually insert dns addresses in the network manager GUI; trying to make a install script to install and fix as much as I can automatically on fresh OS installs
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02:50.34AdemanDoes anyone have an opinion on mount --bind vs a symlink for /home? Most discussion I've seen has advised against using mount --bind for anything, since most tools have desirable (default) behavior when they encounter a symlink, but bind mounting /home seems reasonable enough to me... perhaps even desirable
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02:54.49kernelhackdebian repos are slow today. anyone else finding this?
02:55.24dvsKeridos: Debian 8.1.0 was released yesterday
02:55.31Keridos?
02:55.43kernelhackalready! i had no idea.
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02:56.12kernelhackcurrently upgrading my 8.0 installation using dist-upgrade. will this give me 8.1.0?
02:56.24dvskernelhack: yes
02:56.36kernelhackdvs: thank you.
02:56.58dvshey! I didn't work on it. ;-)
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03:30.19erin1983684hey peeps
03:30.25erin1983684how can i play a wmv file in linux?
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03:30.49twiggzmplayer or vlc
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03:34.17erin1983684hmm maybe its broke
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03:34.42skilzWhat do you use?
03:35.03erin1983684wav?
03:35.05erin1983684wmv
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03:35.16skilzSorry wmv
03:35.21skilzvlc should play it
03:35.55tortibCan someone help me with a error 115 when trying to mount a azure cifs share?
03:36.07erin1983684oh well
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03:39.14s4ndm4nerin1983684: If using KDE, Amarok can play it.
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03:44.34Arrowmastererin1983684: if vlc doesnt play it then its probably a broken file
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04:05.48namrais that the right place to ask about the provided vagrant box debian/jessie64?
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05:18.20sailcathi guys. steam was working with debian 8.0, but no longer seems to work with 8.1. at the end of the installation it says: "You are missing the following 32-bit libraries, and Steam may not run:
05:18.20sailcatlibGL.so.1" and then "Fatal Error: Failed to load steamui.so". is there a workaround or fix?
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05:18.53shay_shaysailcat:  it works for me?
05:19.01sailcatwith 8.1?
05:19.19shay_shaywell I suppose I haven't dist-upgraded yet
05:19.21sailcatit was working great with 8.0
05:19.29shay_shayI can do it in about 10 minutes
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05:19.45shay_shayI am at the store getting food :)
05:20.00sailcatheh. ok, just curious. i'll probably just reinstall 8.0.
05:20.17shay_shayyou reinstalled for 8.1?
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05:20.51sailcatno, i just upgraded to 8.1. theni couldn't install steam.
05:22.17shay_shayi think reinstalling is overkill... there must be some other explanation than steam doesn't work with 8.1
05:22.36sailcatit's a missing 32-bit library.
05:22.59sailcatand i do have multiarch enabled, but it's apparently just not installed.
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05:23.24shay_shaythen determine what package you need and install it
05:23.43sailcati searched in synaptic, and it came up with a package that wants to uninstall fglrx drivers.
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05:24.12shay_shayyou need 32 bit versions of your fglrx libraries I am guessing
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05:24.54sailcathm, i didn't think of that. ok, i'll keep messing around until i get it going somehow. thanks for the suggestions.
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06:51.40hazzhi there i need some help rescuing jessie,i need to do an update and upgrade but apt-get command it's not in the list
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06:52.40hazzmy /usr and /root directory are on different partitions
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07:12.22jellyhazz: so mount /usr, first
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07:14.09hazzok i've got problems at boot time with rtlwifi firmware any clue? an update-initramfs does any benefict?
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07:23.15garyserjI set up a VM a long time ago and don't recall if it was a Live one or not.. I just did cat /etc/issue and it says Debian GNU/Linux 7 \n\1     Would that tell me?
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07:27.50sailcatafter upgrading debian 8.0 to 8.1, i couldn't run steam on my amd radeon 7770 card. this is how i got it working:  paste.debian.net/211393 (fairly simple, but might save someone some trouble)
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08:09.33medflyhey
08:09.53medflyi am trying to install build-essential on a fresh debian install and it's not foudn, isn't that part of basic thingies, what do I need to do to update my sources list to get this
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08:13.22Zeskapt-get update first?
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08:13.49medflyI did, I even uncommented some stuff on the sources list
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08:14.00medflyZesk: I guess the original reason I have an issue is that I didn't have a connection during the install
08:14.21meseiramedfly: show your /etc/apt/source.list
08:14.43meseiramedfly: maybe the installer has limited your sources to the cd
08:14.58medflyyes it has, it did write some lines but they are commented out
08:15.20medflyhttp://pastebin.com/T0Jg4vj1
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08:15.30meseiramedfly: thus, you have to add debian repos
08:15.32medflyI uncommented some, I guess I'm still missing a few
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08:15.56meseiradeb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main
08:16.25meseirathis one should be sufficient, do an update and install buid-essential
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08:16.46medflymeseira: doesn't seem like it is sufficient
08:16.55medflythough packages like libc6 do exist
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08:17.05meseirasorry, this one:
08:17.13meseiradeb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ jessie main
08:17.24meseirai did not see the '-updates'
08:17.31meseira:-[
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08:18.08medflythank you meseira :) that works
08:18.17meseirawith pleasure ;-)
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08:40.49ChrisHSince upgrading to Jessie my exim4 coredumps in libgnutls. details see http://paste.debian.net/211577/   Bug 741412 looks similar. Any other ideas on how to proceed here? memtest is my next step, but this is a remote box without remote console.
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08:54.01xormorI am using Debian 8.0.0 "jessie" stable on my desktop computer, but my 4G USB modem is only supported by LMDE, on this computer. I have to use 3G Huawei on that other computer.
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08:54.33xormorso should I replace "jessie" with LMDE on that computer? would the Huawei LTE 4G work on that one?
08:55.57medflyhi guys, I got my wifi usb stick to scan the nearby networks, but when I try to connect it doesn't and spams dmesg with this: http://pastebin.com/nLvfcBrW
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08:57.28SynrGyxormor: it should work on jessie too. do you have modemmanager installed?
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08:57.56xormorSynrG: I will check.
08:58.18SebastianThornhi guys, i have a problem i cant find package emacs24-nox on machine B, but i have it on machine A, what could cause this?
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08:59.17yossarianukSebastianThorn: different apt sources
08:59.57yossarianukperhaps you installed it on an older debian version - upgraded debian now isn't in the mirrors?
09:00.15SebastianThorni did an apt-get update, same result
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09:00.47SebastianThorn/etc/apt/sources.list looks the same, ill go check with diff now
09:01.33xormorSynrG: yes, I have it: and it is the newest version.
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09:03.25tpowhen I run "make menuconfig" to configure a linux kernel I see make triggering a compile but then nothing more happens, it stalls.
09:03.28yossarianukSebastianThorn: also remember  /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list
09:04.14SynrGyxormor: which kernel does LMDE have?
09:04.16yossarianukdid you install the 2 systems you are comparing from fresh or did you upgrade either/both of them ?
09:04.23SynrGyxormor: uname -a
09:04.26tpoI have run it in a text terminal (ALT-CTRL-F1) and when terminating it, caught a glimpse of the ncurses interface
09:04.42yossarianuktpo: "make menuconfig" doesn't compile the kernel
09:04.47tpobut somehow "make menuconfig" remains "invisible"
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09:04.56tpoyossarianuk, it configures it
09:04.59SebastianThornyossarianuk: ty, didnt know about that
09:05.01yossarianuktpo: "make menuconfig" loads the ncurses menu where you can configure it.
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09:05.15xormorSynrG: Linux minikannettava 3.11-2-486 #1 Debian 3.11.8-1 (2013-11-13) i686 GNU/Linux
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09:05.24tpoyossarianuk, yes and the problem is it does not display the ncurses interface
09:05.53tpoI have tried with kernel 3.16 and kernel 4.0.5 with same result
09:06.08SynrGyxormor: what model of huawei is it? what's the usbid?
09:06.13yossarianuktpo: - first try and make sure you are doing it in a maximised window (you should get a warning if your terminal window is too small)
09:06.21tpoother ncurses applications such as aptitude or alpine work
09:06.30yossarianukalso check you have installed the following packages.
09:06.34tpoyossarianuk, changing the terminal size has no effect
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09:07.23tpoyossarianuk, (I ran it in a text terminal (ALT-CTRL-F1) with same results)
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09:07.47SynrGyxormor: after attempting to use the modem on the Debian system, what's the output of 'journalctl -u NetworkManager'?
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09:09.35tpoyossarianuk, you were going to tell me which packages need to be installed for "make menuconfig" ... ?
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09:10.21yossarianuktpo: one sec - im trying to do a menuconfig on a deb 8 server
09:10.46SebastianThornok, the one that has emacs24-nox has 'stable' as distribution, the one that cant find emacs24-nox has 'wheezy' as distribution. This might be whats causing my issue?
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09:11.55yossarianuktpo: 'apt-get install make build-essential libncurses5-dev' did it for me
09:12.25SebastianThornit was, now i can find the right emacs
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09:13.13medfly;-;
09:13.20medflyI'm living like 15 years back,manually compiling drivers
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09:13.53medflyand even then it's not flawless
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09:14.46tpoyossarianuk, those packages are already installed here
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09:16.18tpoyossarianuk, if I run "make menuconfig" as root, then I get to see the ncurses interface. So it only doesn't work under my user. No comprende...
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09:19.01SynrGyxormor: do you also have usb-modeswitch installed?
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09:20.12tporoot's and my user's environments seem to be more or less identical. So I have still no idea why I can't menuconfig as a user...
09:23.00xormorSynrG: I think I do. I will unplug this modem and go offline for a while. If I have time to come back, I will. On these both systems with these modems it said 'no journal file found'.
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09:23.45SynrGyxormor: as root
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09:27.30xormor_SynrG, it started working miraculously :D thanks for your time.
09:27.46SynrGyxormor: well. how about that. :)
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09:28.43SynrGyxormor_: the unsettling bit is if it miraculously started working, it might miraculously stop working at some point :p
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09:28.56SynrGyxormor_: but if-and-when that happens, you know where to find us
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09:29.47xormor_SynrG, yes. thank you.
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09:30.47no_gravityGood Morning
09:32.10no_gravityThere will be a leap-second in two weeks. Did you guys did into its implications? In 2012, Reddit, Yelp and others crashed because of it.
09:32.18no_gravitys/did into/dig into
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09:35.05SynrGyno, and speculation/discussion about unsubstantiated rumors of doom due to leap second properly belongs on #debian-offtopic
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09:36.41Tichobut the end might be nigh-ish!
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09:39.42SynrGymy understanding is that debian squeeze-lts, wheezy and jessie should not have any issues. if you want to see a recent-ish thread on debian-user mailing list about this: https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/05/msg00873.html
09:39.56SkyriderAnyone happen to know if there's a calender/agenda application for debian that also has a google play app for it?
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09:41.16SynrGySkyrider: yes
09:41.44SynrGyi've successfully used davical
09:42.09ChrisHSince upgrading to Jessie my exim4 coredumps in libgnutls. details see http://paste.debian.net/211577/   Bug 741412 looks similar. Any other ideas on how to proceed here? memtest is my next step, but this is a remote box without remote console.
09:42.09SynrGyi've connected both icedove to it and some app, the name of which escapes me, um ...
09:42.48medflyHAHA DISREGARD EVERYTHING THIS WORKED FLAWLESSLY
09:43.03SynrGySkyrider: aCal
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09:43.32garyserjI set up a VM a long time ago and don't recall if it was a Live one or not.. I just did cat /etc/issue and it says Debian GNU/Linux 7 \n\1     Would that tell me?
09:43.43SynrGySkyrider: that's available through F-Droid, too. it's open source
09:43.48SynrGyGPLv3
09:44.21SynrGySkyrider: i believe there are alternatives to davical in debian that will do just as well. i have not evaluated the others, though
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09:46.02SynrGygaryserj: if it's live or not? i don't think /etc/issue is modified
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09:46.33SynrGygaryserj: an official debian live image? are there packages named 'live-boot' and 'live-config' installed?
09:47.10SynrGygaryserj: more importantly, what's the contents of /proc/cmdline ?
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09:48.27SkyriderThanks, I'll check it out
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09:50.06molgrumwhen do i want to use start-stop-daemon and when do i want to simply run the program in the script? i have issues with start-stop-daemon so i'm contemplating to just run the program
09:50.21SynrGyChrisH: the details in #741412 indicate a very strange set of circumstances (debian woody? wtf?) so unlikely that's your bug.
09:50.22juddBug http://bugs.debian.org/741412 in exim4 (open, moreinfo, unreproducible): «exim4: process crashed with signal 11 while delivering»; severity: important; opened: 2014-03-12; last modified: 2015-04-19.
09:52.24SynrGyChrisH: i suspect without a backtrace, not much more can be said about it
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09:52.55SynrGyChrisH: i see rather than filing a new bug, another user at https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=741412#27 tacks on a jessie-related report
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09:53.09SynrGythis is probably not a good strategy for getting it some attention
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09:54.07SynrGy,v exim4
09:54.08juddPackage: exim4 on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 4.72-6+squeeze3; squeeze: 4.72-6+squeeze4; wheezy: 4.80-7+deb7u1; jessie: 4.84-8; stretch: 4.85-3; sid: 4.85-3; experimental: 4.86~RC1-2
09:54.16Latrinaanybody runs debian on a MIPS OpenWRT supported router ?
09:54.31phixLatrina: no, I use openwrt
09:54.44LatrinaLatrina, so do I ...
09:54.48SynrGyChrisH: given exim4 is at 4.80 in wheezy, i think the original filer was confused and meant wheezy when they said 'woody'
09:54.55Latrinabut I am looking at it as a new project
09:55.12phixLatrina: ah, install Ubuntu Touch onto a phone :)  that
09:55.16ChrisHSynrGy: I tried to get a stacktrace and failed. I instaleld exim4-daemon-heavy-dbg. I do not find a dgb version of libgnutls-deb0-28
09:55.17phixwould be a good project
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09:56.17Latrinaphix, on the Nexus 5 its all about hit a button on the twrp updater app
09:56.23SynrGyChrisH: and the other advice there? running memtest, for example?
09:56.51sorc_I have live usb with wheezy. Now its broken and doesnt boot. It says - "isolinux.bin corrupt or missing"
09:57.01phixLatrina: ?
09:57.01sorc_any ideas pls?
09:57.23Latrina[11:55] <phix> Latrina: ah, install Ubuntu Touch onto a phone :)  that
09:57.24phixsorc_: I reckon the issue is isolinux.bin is corrupt or missing
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09:57.26ChrisHSynrGy: I need to go there and run it onsite. I do not expect any memory issues as it started right after upgrading.
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09:57.30phixLatrina: ah
09:57.36Latrina:)
09:57.44phix:D
09:57.49Latrinaif you meant port it onto another phone thats a different story
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09:58.02LatrinaI wouldnt have the skill anyways
09:58.13sorc_phix: how can i restor it? its corrupt wey times. when i put usb on any windows host
09:58.21SynrGyChrisH: yeah. seems suspicious. anyway, the next step with this one is to try to get more info on the bug
09:58.23LatrinaI am particularly interested in embedded anyways ..
09:58.26sorc_how can i fix it?
09:58.45phixsorc_: no idea, I just wanted to be a smart ass
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09:59.06SynrGyChrisH: is it reproducible? can you force a queue run and get it to crash?
09:59.30SynrGyChrisH: if so, you could attach gdb to that
10:00.02ChrisHSynrGy: this is what I get from a core: http://paste.debian.net/211770/
10:00.22SynrGywonderful. :/
10:00.53ChrisHIt is reproducible that all failed messages are submitted successfully on the next manuall run.
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10:02.09SynrGyChrisH: anyway, probably want to comment on that bug with your attempt at getting a good backtrace and get some advice for getting enough info to make this actionable. i gotta scoot. work calls
10:02.55yossarianuktpo: no idea why non root cannot 'make menuconfig' - are the perms of the source folder ok?
10:03.17yossarianuktpo: i.e chown -R user:user /path/to/source
10:03.19ChrisHSynrGy: created a new dump, now one line is #0  0xb6a2f614 in ?? () from /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgnutls-deb0.so.28
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10:27.33topi`we also want to track the process status (when did it exit? with what error code?)
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10:35.26sharp15i'm doing a wheezy to jessie upgrade.  the 'apt-get dist-upgrade' finished without problems.  there is "1 package not upgraded".  any way to tell why?   the package is 'db5.1-util'
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10:40.27SynrGy,v db5.1-util
10:40.30juddPackage: db5.1-util on amd64 -- wheezy: 5.1.29-5; stretch: 5.1.29-9; jessie: 5.1.29-9; sid: 5.1.29-9
10:40.53SynrGy!bat
10:40.53dpkgIn order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy".  Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information.  Also ask me about <localized errors>.
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10:40.59SynrGysharp15: that ^
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10:49.03ant-pjuu[Query] HTTPS for security.debian.org: should i be able to connect to this via https for obtaining security updates ?
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10:50.39garyserjdoes anybody here use debian in vmware workstation? I notice that vmware doesn't list debian 8 in its dropdown menu. though i could install debian 8 and tell vmware workstation that it's 7.
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10:53.08sharp15SynrGy: sorry.  here http://paste.debian.net/211946/
10:54.18SynrGysharp15: that's only one of the pieces of information. also, that's output from upgrade, not dist-upgrade
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10:54.41SynrGysharp15: 'apt-cache policy' <- no arguments
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10:54.55sharp15oh.  sorry.
10:55.22sharp15the dist-upgrade version looks exactly the same.  except the command is 'apt-get dist-upgrade'
10:55.30SynrGyk. don't need to see that
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10:55.48SynrGyand finally, try 'apt-get -f install db5.1-util' and show output
10:56.31SynrGybut i do want to see that 'apt-cache policy' output first
10:58.08sharp15SynrGy: "apt-cache policy" here http://paste.debian.net/211951/
10:59.26SynrGyaside from mixing in third-party packages, which can sometimes cause issues, that all looks in order.
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10:59.55SynrGy(and unless we see more apt output pointing in that direction, probably nothing to worry about)
11:00.27dnsk_blackjack, What's up?
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11:02.33sharp15SynrGy: 'apt-get -f install db5.1-util' here http://paste.debian.net/211952/
11:03.54sharp15there are only 2 sets of odd packages installed.  chrome and the brother mfc printer drivers.
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11:04.47sharp15i can remove the brother packages if that would appear necessary.
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11:06.40SynrGysharp15: well, db5.1 is an older berkeley db version. if the upgrade would allow you to remove those packages and not remove any applications, there's some question about whether you even need it anymore or not
11:07.14SynrGysharp15: if removal of db5.1-util doesn't cause other packages to be removed, you could try that
11:07.57sharp15SynrGy: looks like that will be the answer.
11:08.21SynrGysharp15: the only possible gotcha there is non-debian-packaged software that depends on it
11:08.38SynrGyif you know you don't have any such software, it's harmless to remove it if it doesn't cause other package removals
11:08.50sharp15"apt-get -s remove db5.1-util' only wants "Remv db5.1-util [5.1.29-5]"
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11:09.07SynrGyand you might look into deborphan to get more suggestions for removal
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11:09.16SynrGyyou should periodically decruft your system
11:09.23sharp15ok.
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11:10.20SynrGymy personal strategy involves taking multiple passes using deborphan & apt-get autoremove. and also searching largest packages to remove stuff that i don't care about anymore ... finally, i find synaptic's filter for local/obsolete packages helpful
11:10.41SynrGy(it's the one thing i like synaptic for. i don't use it for anything else)
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11:11.13at0mSynrGy: aptitude shows obsolete packages, too
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11:17.05at0mi occasionally '-' that tree, then 'b' to find broken packages. '+' the ones i want to keep, then 'g' for review and '+' again those i want to keep. rince, repeat.
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11:18.46SynrGyat0m: it does, but because synatpic allows in a few clicks to filter packages various ways, i find it convenient for this purpose.
11:19.02SynrGyat0m: oh, you're using the curses interface? i never use that
11:19.21SynrGyi suppose i might learn how. i just have horrible memories of dselect when i look at it :)
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11:36.02mizohello, i'm having a problem with the time in linux; it's always a few hours off, and i think the issue comes from dual booting windows/linux; i've used ntpq to set the date automatically, but "date" still shows 15:36 CEST while it's now 13:36 CEST
11:36.14Cheticwhere do echos from a postinst script end up when installing a package?
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11:37.20faisalis there a problem with security.debian.org ?
11:37.46chele,v tzdat
11:37.47chele,v tzdata
11:37.48juddNo package named 'tzdat' was found in amd64.
11:37.49juddPackage: tzdata on amd64 -- squeeze: 2014e-0squeeze1; wheezy: 2014j-0wheezy1; squeeze-security-lts: 2015d-0+deb6u1; wheezy-updates: 2015d-0+deb7u1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 2015d-0+deb7u1; jessie-updates: 2015d-0+deb8u1; jessie: 2015d-0+deb8u1; stretch: 2015d-1; sid: 2015d-1
11:38.15chelemizo: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata?
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11:39.11mizo_chele: Current default time zone: 'Europe/Paris' Local time is now: Mon Jun 8 15:38:34 CEST 2015. Universal Time is now: Mon Jun 8 13:38:34 UTC 2015.
11:39.15mizo_sorry disconnected
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11:40.48dokmaI need libtiff4 for my mx320 cnijfilter but it's been removed in jessie.
11:40.59dokmaWhat is a good way to go about it? My idea is to download wheezy's i386 version and compile from source and install.
11:41.12dokmaIs there a better way?
11:41.56Brigodokma, i think that is the best way.
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11:42.08chelehttps://wiki.debian.org/DateTime#Set_the_time_automatically
11:42.28dokmaBrigo, thanks
11:42.42cheleAt the end is mentioned dual booting.
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11:43.37riochWas loop-aes-utils renamed or is it just gone?
11:43.43mizo_chele: i did that, but it didn't help
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11:46.18chele:(
11:47.06Cheticwhere does dpkg pipe stdout/stderr from package scripts?
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11:47.29Cheticcan't find package installation logs
11:48.26at0mafter extended searches, /var/log/dpkg.log came out
11:48.32at0mand /var/log/apt*
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11:53.31Cheticat0m: turns out they end up in /var/log/apt/term.log. Thanks
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11:53.46CheticI did google it but only came up with dpkg.log which was wrong
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12:14.15faisalwhy i cannot resolve the damn security.debian.org
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12:14.27faisaland debian.org works fine
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12:17.19filenoxfaisal: can you ping it
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12:18.11tugrikfaisal: try "host security.debian.org 4.2.2.1"
12:18.18sharp15are the .deb files deleted at the end of the 'dist-upgrade' or 'autoremove' operations?
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12:19.09faisaltugrik: cheers that worked
12:19.22faisaltugrik: youre the man
12:19.36tugrikheh, we're not there yet ;)
12:19.43tugrikwhat's "cat /etc/resolv.conf" give you?
12:19.56tugrikthat file lists the DNS servers you machine is using
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12:20.01faisaltugrik: it was my isps DNS server that sucked
12:20.10faisaltugrik: changed it to googles and it worked
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12:20.27Haran_Banjohi,
12:20.53Haran_Banjothe following command  apt-get -t jessie --reinstall install lua-socket
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12:21.22Haran_Banjokeeps installing Scaricamento di:1 http://packages.prosody.im/debian/ wheezy/main lua-socket armhf 3.0-rc1-4~wheezy
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12:22.25tugrikno problem faisal - if you're manually controlling your DNS servers I'd be tempted to use Level 3's ( i.e. 4.2.2.1 and 4.2.2.2 )
12:22.36sharp15ok.  better question.  where are the .deb files stored durring an update or upgrade?  is it /var/cache/apt/archives?
12:22.40tugrikand weird that your ISP's server was playing up, ISPs tend to be good at that kind of thing ;)
12:23.01jet__Hi, I'm using wheezy and one package I need to install requires libtiff4 instead of libtiff5, but libtiff4 is no longer available in wheezy standard repositories. is there an easy workaround ?
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12:23.25bezabanhmm, first attempt at a jessie vm. Needed to stop for a clone and issued a 'sudo halt'. The machine looks to have frozen, no response on esxi console or even the ssh connection hasn't dropped. Any idea what this is?
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12:23.46Haran_BanjoHow do I tell apt-get to install a specific version of a package, from a specific repository?
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12:24.37Haran_BanjoI followed the guide about pinning and pinned the specific package, but it still pulls the wheezy version instead of the jessie one
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12:25.48Haran_Banjomaybe becouse the wheezy version is "slighty more updated" 3.0-rc1-4~wheezy vs 3.0~rc1-3
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12:26.27bezabanthis behaviour is new. Issued a sudo halt and the connection won't drop, console just prints a line; system halted. and everything hangs
12:27.41Haran_BanjoI had to include  deb http://packages.prosody.im/debian wheezy main in sources.list
12:27.44bezabanI'll see if it works better with openvm-tools
12:28.11tugrikbezaban: do you mean the ESX server itself has hung, or the VM running on it?
12:28.20bezabantugrik: just the guest
12:28.30zykotick9bezaban: what do you want it to do?  "systemctl poweroff" is an option to shutdown...
12:28.36tugrikI *think* half is differnt to....
12:28.40tugrikwhat zykotick9 said
12:28.51bezabanwhen I halt a vm I usually see it taking down services, disconnecting ssh etc
12:29.21bezabanit's systemd behaviour I need to get used to
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12:29.28tugrikI think "halt" stops the system but maintains power, "poweroff" is different; but I *think* that.  Might be worth checking acpi settings relating to that VM
12:29.43tugrikbut my experience is a little virtualbox, so this is an educated guess
12:29.54bezabanyeah, probably me in a bad habit.  Not that I need to halt that often
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12:30.28tugrikas for SSH staying up - SSH tends to stay up unless it gets RSTs, so if a system just stops it'll think its lost contact, rather than the connection is no longer available; IME anyway
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12:32.59bezabanaye, ssh is pretty resilient, I'm just not used to not seeing it drop
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12:33.40bezabanwhen shutting down a vm, and I was a bit perplexed, but machine did actually halt. Will install some vmtools and check acpi. Thanks
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12:35.37tugriknp, I know it's not a definitive answer, but it gives you a place to start :)
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12:40.22sharp15is there a straight forward way to create a local mirror of just the .deb files i need for an install?  i downloaded them during an upgrade and don't really want to download them again for use on another machine.
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12:41.37sharp15sorry.  normally i use gentoo.  there it would be copy the /usr/portage/{distfiles,packages} directories to the new machine.  i'm not sure here.
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12:42.30zykotick9sharp15: you might want to check out apt-cacher-ng perhaps?  install prompts for a proxy.  the debs are typically stored in /var/cache/apt/archives/ but not really sure how you'd add them during an install...
12:43.34sharp15zykotick9: ok. thanks.  i'll look.
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12:48.06tugriksharp15: look at apt-cacher-ng but I found it troublesome in use
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12:49.31sharp15i'm looking but it seems like i would need a second machine for apt-cacher to work.
12:49.49sharp15sorry.  this seemed so simple when i asked.
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12:50.41tugriksharp15: :)
12:50.51tugrikyou could run apt-cacher-ng on your local machine
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12:51.15tugrikbut yes, I think it's very much for supporting a network, rather than just saving you from downloading again
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12:52.10deliperohow do i get dual display worming on debian?
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12:53.00tugriksharp15: from experience I'd be tempted to google for a while, I expect someone has figured out how to copy the downloaded files to a useful location for upgrading another machine
12:53.08johnkeatesdelipero: connect the display and turn it on, works for me that way
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12:53.43deliperojohnleates I have done that one to hdmi and dvi but i cant get it to work :P
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12:54.10deliperothe old screen is on dvi and the enw screen is one hdmi
12:54.15johnkeatesdelipero: hmm, what does dmesg say? if it says nothing, the hot plug isn't detected and you might want to try a reboot
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12:54.37johnkeatesdelipero: and if that doesn't work, it might be a bad combination of interface and monitor
12:54.44deliperoi did an xrandr and its says the hdmi is diconnected
12:55.29johnkeatesin that case it should work :s if it doesn't I'm afraid i don't know how to help much
12:56.03deliperobut when i use a software from software center i can get it to work but its slow rendering or something and its dublicated
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12:58.22deliperoi downloaded view setting from software center and then i used it it worked but it the screen is  getting a bit blurring or something and its not seperated
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13:25.26SkyriderI see davical isn't exactly free through google play?
13:25.32SkyriderMost of the apps costs.
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13:33.57shay_shayhoraaay! gnome-shell 3.14.4 made it to 8.1
13:34.32shay_shayhor fing ay
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13:37.39StummiSkyrider, davical is a DAV server which is free
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13:38.07Stummimaybe there are some free DAV clients as well
13:38.23Skyriderya, I figured as much they were separated.
13:38.30SkyriderJust need to find a google play app that is free.
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13:39.21at0mSkyrider: davdroid here. albeit from f-droid repo's.
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13:41.32Skyrideralbeit, not found on f-droid.
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13:42.46Skyrideror thats not the app name :p
13:43.11Skyridersilly me.
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13:43.42shay_shayindeed
13:43.55tugrikSkyrider: you after a webdav server or a caldav client?  or neither? ;)
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13:44.06SkyriderI'm wanting to install a server on my raspberry.
13:44.12SkyriderKeeping my calender/agenda on my mobile.
13:44.18SkyriderThus, client on mobile.
13:44.39tugrikoh nice, while I've got a problem starting it using systemctl, I've found radicale easy to configure
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13:44.55tugrikespecially if you just want one user - you can turn off auth
13:45.07tugrikclient on mobile - i use caldav-sync, which I think is free
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13:47.07SkyriderThere are 2 versions.
13:47.13SkyriderFree & Paid.
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13:48.07SkyriderUnsure (yet) what the difference is between those 2.
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14:05.11ant-pjuushould i be able to talk https to all package mirrors ? ( including security.debian.org )
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14:11.58themillant-pjuu: no. (https offers no additional security beyond what apt already does for you)
14:12.03tugriknot sure Skyrider - I think I'm using the paid version, but only because one of reviews said "I want my money back"
14:12.23tugrik( I should stress that review appears to also say "I don't understand how caldav works" )
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14:14.10ant-pjuuthemill: Thanks for confirming
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14:16.23yossarianukhi - i'm trying to automate (jenkinize) the  building of our debian packages (and the process of uploading them to our apt-repo)
14:17.26yossarianukwhen I add a .deb to our repo I use the reprepro command - as outlined here -> https://wiki.debian.org/SettingUpSignedAptRepositoryWithReprepro
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14:18.04yossarianukI'm stuck at automating the task as when I add a deb file I get asked my GPG password
14:18.22yossarianuki.e 'reprepro includedeb <osrelease> <debfile>'
14:18.31yossarianukthat asks for a pass
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14:19.13yossarianukthere seems to be no flags/options in order to add the password to the reprepro (gpg) command - any ideas how ?
14:19.21tugrikwhois yossarianuk
14:19.24tugriklol, oops
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14:21.06yossarianuki am me...
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14:24.23jhutchinsyossarianuk: I thought jenkins mostly used keys instead of passwords.
14:24.23DelfRunning Linux Delf-OCZ 3.16.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt11-1 (2015-05-24) i686 GNU/Linux. And being bombarded with "gnome-session[854]: (gnome-shell:991): mutter-WARNING **: STACK_OP_RAISE_ABOVE: window 0x6a0120001a not in stack"
14:24.24yossarianukits the same for using GPG command line
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14:24.42jhutchinsyossarianuk: GPG though... that implies signing the file or something.
14:24.58jhutchinsyossarianuk: I know there is a credentials section in the config.
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14:26.55yossarianukjhutchins@ thanks for responding - Jenkins does use SSH keys to connect to servers - its the signing of the package - normally I use Reprepro (which I believe initiates the gpg command)
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14:27.45yossarianukit asks for a pass which is fine when i'm manually updating the package but no for automation/cron job.
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14:35.24donofrioso what caused the 8.1 release?  did snd-aoa get fixed or something....
14:36.12themill!point release
14:36.13dpkgPoint releases are updates to <stable> and <oldstable>, fixing security and grave bug fixes.  You can upgrade to the latest point release by referencing a Debian <mirror> in /etc/apt/sources.list, then "aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade".  See <8.1>, <7.8>.  https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases/PointReleases
14:36.38DelfIt seems I'm experiencing similar bug https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=776018
14:36.39themilldonofrio: there's always a point release about 4 to 6 weeks after the stable release and then more every 2 months or so after that
14:36.40juddBug http://bugs.debian.org/776018 in mutter (open): «STACK_OP_RAISE_ABOVE: window 0x8301200016 not in stack fills syslog»; severity: normal; opened: 2015-01-22; last modified: 2015-03-08.
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14:37.09DelfThe window hex is different.
14:38.20donofrioanyone ehere running jessie on mac mini g4 (I have a few boxes and they load alright but no sound, I've looked everywhere but still no resolution for snd-aoa issues or whatever is my sound issue...
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14:47.10t4nk508#flood
14:47.29Delft4nk508: Who?
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14:48.00t4nk508sorry im new to this
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14:49.09KnaldgasDoes anybody have experience with DL (Download Ticket Service) http://www.thregr.org/~wavexx/software/dl/ - Should I consider other alternatives or?
14:49.58t4nk508i need help, i recently installed Aptana Studio and added the aptana.desktop in /usr/share/applications but I cant run aptana from the launcher, it is in the menu and that is OK but when i use my launcher it doesnt detect it, any ideas what did I do wrong?
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14:52.06jhutchinst4nk508: Did you install it from Debian repos?
14:52.08t4nk508i can run the actual program, i just cant run it with the launcher (in my case its gmrun)
14:52.38t4nk508no i didnt, i downloaded it from the aptana website, unpacked it in /opt and added the .desktop file
14:52.52yossarianuki.e how can I sign a deb package with a GPG key in an automated environment ?
14:52.52t4nk508it is in my menu, but cant run it with launcher (gmrun)
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14:56.31t4nk508any ideas?
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14:57.31bsdtuxhas anyone run into a clicking noise coming through their laptop speaker. After a fresh install I seem to have this and searching around has not lead to positive results. One search said to do echo "options snd_hda_intel_power_save=0" > /etc/modprobe.d/snd_hda_intel.conf and echo 0 > /sys/modules/snd_hda_intel/parameters/power_save but as I mentioned it
14:57.31bsdtuxdidn't stop the clicking
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14:59.24yossarianuki.e say you have a cron job to build a .deb package and gpg sign it - how do you put the pass in ?
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15:00.54Stummiyossarianuk, if you really need this, I would go with an gpg keystore which contains the key without password
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15:03.03Stummior maybe use a gpg agent and configure it the way you have to put in the passphrase once you run it
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15:04.37at0mSkyrider: https://f-droid.org/repository/browse/?fdid=at.bitfire.davdroid is there alright
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15:05.05t4nk508nvm, i found the solution to my problem, thanks anyway
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15:06.17jhutchinsI'm betting it was a path thing.
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15:15.08yossarianukStummi: cheers
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15:18.40hpekdemirwhat happended to debian wheezy: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/
15:18.45hpekdemirwhere is the iso file?
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15:22.20DelfSince the ticket is still open, it's obviously not been resolved but it also means that… it's not many who are experiencing the bug?
15:22.23fchartonhpekdemir: you might find the ISO you're looking for here : http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/
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15:23.25hpekdemirno
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15:23.39hpekdemiralso no debian 7.
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15:24.05hpekdemirI use debian for over 10 years now
15:24.09hpekdemirand right now. it fucks my head.
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15:24.19hpekdemirwhere is the iso??
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15:25.10GiBaso, bsdutils depends on libsystemd0, any workaround ?
15:25.15DammitJimhttps://www.debian.org/releases/oldstable/debian-installer/
15:25.19DammitJimhpekdemir,
15:25.19hpekdemiryes http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/7.8.0/amd64/iso-cd/
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15:25.23hpekdemirfound it.
15:25.26SkyriderI have to admit..
15:25.31SkyriderI find debian's d/l page.. very, confusing.
15:25.39hpekdemirthe download page is pure shit.
15:25.45hpekdemirsince years. but nvm. i found it.
15:25.47DammitJimit's got too many options LOL
15:25.52SkyriderIt does..
15:25.56Skyriderbut can be displayed in a cleaner way.
15:26.01SkyriderThe text is way too cluttered.
15:26.05DammitJimI only use the netinst
15:26.24NoImNotNineVoltthe netinst is what almost everyone should be using.
15:26.27hpekdemirfinally I gound my wheezy.
15:26.30hpekdemirwho needs jessie.
15:26.40DammitJimneeds jessie
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15:26.47hpekdemirwhat for?
15:27.10DammitJim'cause that's what I have been running for a year now
15:27.47hpekdemirsince systemd I'm out. I will use wheezy until EOL
15:27.54hpekdemirand then switch to another OS.
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15:28.05Walexhpekdemir: systemd is not mandatory.
15:28.20Walexhpekdemir: only very few desktop environments depend on it.
15:28.22DammitJimhere we go again with systemd
15:28.30SuperTramp83yeah
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15:29.01GiBaspeaking of which, how can I have bsdutils without libsystemd?
15:29.21Walexit's the usual... at work we have also systemd moments :-)
15:29.38GiBamy mysql servers wont start because logger is missing , because i dont have bsdutils, because i filtered *systemd* from apt
15:30.14WalexGiBa: pinned it to -1?
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15:30.21GiBayes Walex
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15:30.46BoteManIs this a religious war over systemd or are there legitimate reasons for avoiding it? Since the Debian team switched to it, I assume that is the best way to go.
15:31.01WalexBoteMan: that's precisely the whole argument is about.
15:31.03GiBaI don't care about any war, I need my mysqls
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15:31.39WalexGiBa: I am looking at dependencies with Aptitude...
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15:32.00GiBait depends logger is in bsdutils which depends on libsystemd0
15:32.07WalexGiBa: you said MySQL then 'logger' then 'bsdutils' then 'systemd'
15:32.26WalexGiBa: ahhhh but 'libsystemd0' is legit even if you don't want 'systemd'.
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15:32.59WalexGiBa: lots of programs depends on runtime libraries for stuff they never need use.
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15:33.21WalexGiBa: e.g. SELinux libraries, other major examples.
15:33.28GiBathe company policy was pin *systemd* to -1 so I did
15:33.56GiBait looks like devuan has bsdutils
15:33.57WalexGiBa: that's fine, that means that it does not run 'systemd' itself, but its APIs are legit.
15:34.18GiBaWalex: are those api from the same devs than systemd ?
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15:34.44WalexGiBa: yes, but it does not matter if you don't use the APIs.
15:34.47GiBaWalex: if so I cant use them
15:35.08GiBaall right then, im trying with devuan, thanks you!!!
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15:35.22WalexGiBa: that's a bit extreme. Consider 'apt-get rdepends libselinux1'
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15:36.31Walex'apt-cache rdepends libselinux1' oops
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15:38.53baumthe openJDK in the debian-testing repos doesn't support javaFX yet right?
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15:48.37GiBawell, devuan repo fixed all those depends and my mysqls are alive, im putting this in the puppet code and deploying in prod
15:48.41GiBathanks you!!
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16:11.04faisalguys please can some help me troubleshoot this issue ? im running debian8 and im connected via wifi to my access point. I regularly find myself having to reboot my computer because for some reason it will stop resolving dns names after a while. No wifi disconnection or anything, it just will stop resolving names. other devices on the same ap have no problem. dns is given to all machines on my network via dhcp, and the dns ip is the AP itself, which forwards
16:11.04faisaleverything back to 8.8.8.8 ? any ideas where I could start please ?
16:11.25tugrikhey faisal ;)
16:11.31faisaltugrik:  ;)
16:12.16tugriktry running "while true; do sleep 5; host www.google.co.uk; done" in an xterm, and keep an eye on it
16:12.23tugrikdo you have Network Manager installed?
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16:13.33faisaltugrik: good idea, I'll have a loop querying a domain in place....
16:13.43faisaltugrik: and yesim running network-manager
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16:14.36tugrikI bet network-manager is doing something "clever" - have you searched online for the problem specifically relating to network-manager and debian?
16:15.36tugrikalso once the DNS stops working, check that you can ping a few IP addresses: your default gateway, 8.8.8.8, 4.2.2.1, so that it's definitely DNS that isn't working
16:15.42faisaltugrik: i have tried but i have not found anything that would help me actually :s
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16:16.23faisaltugrik: ill have a loop checking that as well as with the AP
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16:17.22tugrikdo you know how long your DHCP allocations last?  is it the same amount of time as this problem takes to develop?
16:17.50faisaltugrik: my dhcp allocation is static, i got an unlimited lease
16:17.59faisalbut it usually takes less than 1 hour for the problem to appear
16:18.32tugrikand it's definitely just DNS that fails?  and this is using your ISP's DNS servers?
16:18.56NoImNotNineVoltuse opendns, google's dns, or l3's dns.
16:19.04ChrisHfaisal: 1. is there an HW WIFI disable/enable button? If yes, disable/enable.  2.) check /etc/resolv.conf when it fails
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16:19.22Lopedebian 8. I'm trying to connect to mount my own nfs share. the line from exports is "/test 127.0.0.1(rw,sync)" then I ran `exportfs -a && mkdir /tmp/testnfs && mount -v 127.0.0.1:/test /tmp/testnfs` and I get error: mount(2): Connection refused?
16:19.35Lopeworks on my debian 7 server.
16:19.46faisaltugrik: im not using my isps dns servers, my gateway/modem/router is set to use googles
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16:20.06faisalChrisH: there is one  yes indeed, will check /etc/resolv.conf when it happens
16:20.13faisalChrisH: thx
16:20.36tugrikah, does the router tell your system to use those DNS servers?  or does you system ask the router for DNS queries, and then the router goes off to ask Google's?
16:20.54ChrisHLope: check grep  mountd daemon.log  in /var/log
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16:21.20faisaltugrik: 2nd scenario
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16:21.48tugrikLope - we can take the question of "why on earth would you want to mount NFS on localhost?!?!?!?!" as read?  In which case, check NFS is listening on localhost using "netstat -tupln | less"
16:22.47tugrikah faisal - wait for the problem to occur again then try "host www.seton.com <router ip>" then "host www.seton.com 8.8.8.8" and see what happens, I'm wondering if the router has an issue....
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16:22.56Lopetugrik: because remote client can't connect
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16:23.35tugrikLope: it might be that NFS isn't listening on localhost - try the same command but using your network IP address, not your localhost IP address
16:23.56Lopetugrik: yes nfs is listening on 111 on 0.0.0.0
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16:24.20Lopetugrik: I did try the network address also. but then I tried 127.0.0.1 to force it to use lo
16:24.27Lopeto rule out iptables being an issue.
16:24.29tugrikah, that'll be... rpcbind?  You need an NFS server listening on port 2049 IIRC
16:24.36Lopebecause I've got all lo allowed in iptables
16:25.00tugrikif you're in a safe space just turn iptables off for now - or ensure you've got a wide open hole to permit this traffic
16:25.27Lopetugrik: wow, there's nothing listening on 2049?
16:25.29faisaltugrik: sounds good, will do
16:25.42Lopetugrik: it's internet facing, can't turn off iptables.
16:25.54tugrikheh, gotcha :)
16:26.15ChrisHiptables and NFS is some bad combination. As NFS is RPC based and will change the Posts every restart. At least mountd, statd which explains your error message.
16:26.16Lopetugrik: any idea why it's not listening on 2049?
16:26.37ChrisHBut internet facing NFS Server does not sounds like a reasonable idea at the first glance.
16:26.50tugrikoff the top of my head no, follow ChrisH 's advice about looking at the logs
16:26.58Lopeit's not an internet facing NFS server
16:27.03Lopethe NFS shares are for VM's
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16:27.42tugrikah, can you just insert a rule that permits all traffic on that interface?
16:27.46LopeChrisH: I looked in /var/log/daemon.log and didn't see anything there about mountd
16:28.01ChrisHLope: iptables and NFS will not work without medium magic!
16:28.12tugriknicely put ChrisH :)
16:28.18tugrikpasses a wizard's hat to Lope
16:28.45ChrisHCheckpoint had that magic builtin several years ago.
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16:29.17Lopechrisc: I thought I could open these ports for TCP and UDP to my VM's? 111,2049,4002,32767
16:29.27Lopeit works on my other server.
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16:30.15ChrisHLope: As I mentioned several times before (to you and others) THESE PORTS WILL CHANGE. Only 2049 and 111 are fix.
16:30.18tugrikdouble check the ports Lope, IIRC you need to statically condigure them for statd and the other ones ChrisH mentioned
16:30.22Lopeoh
16:30.35Lopenow I recall that I've staticly configured the ports on my old server.
16:30.40Lopeand I've not done it on my new server.
16:30.40tugrik:)
16:30.46Lopeit's been a while :)
16:30.52Lopethanks
16:30.58tugrikno problem
16:31.03tugrikand write down what you did this time
16:31.15tugriknot being sarcastic, seriously, that's a lesson I've learnt the hard way ;)
16:31.17Lopeyeah I do take a lot of notes, but perhaps not enough.
16:31.18ChrisHmedium magic
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16:32.45tugrikif NFS is medium magic should I ask what takes high magic?
16:32.52tugrikif NFS+iptables is medium magic should I ask what takes high magic?
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16:38.55AnorionIt says there are a bunch of packages held-back
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16:40.06faisalok guys im back
16:40.06faisalfinally it reoccured
16:40.06faisaland its not a dns issue i think
16:40.08faisalwas pinging my gateway and all of a sudden i get this :
16:40.08faisal64 bytes from 192.168.1.254: icmp_seq=743 ttl=64 time=2.34 ms
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16:41.12Anorionnevermind. I am dumb.
16:41.31Anorionapt-get dist upgrade is (as usual) the answer
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17:11.33Kasreynanyone know if ethernet must be enabled in uboot somehow on BananaPi before booting netinst? booting the d-i daily images i get "gmac-3v3: disabling" instead of "gmac-3v3: 3300 mV".. downloaded from here: http://d-i.debian.org/daily-images/armhf/daily/device-tree/sun7i-a20-bananapi.dtb http://d-i.debian.org/daily-images/armhf/daily/netboot/vmlinuz
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17:26.44KasreynBananaPi ethernet works in 150509. 150604 150605 is broken..
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17:30.48littlebithi people, i have been trying to compile a driver from source but when I enter 'make all' but I get this error message http://dpaste.com/249YH2R
17:30.52littlebitcan someone help?
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17:31.50linolinhi
17:31.59linolinexplain why "e2fsck  will  print a               description of the problem and then exit with the value 4  logi‐               cally  or'ed  into  the exit code" the ORing of 4 with the exit code?
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17:35.37linolinpoint of or'ing 4 with the exit code is?
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17:38.21hypn0how to fix the pcmanfm mounting not authorized errors? i read several ways, like adding your user to the groups? it seems like a pcmanfm bug? when installing, it should do it?
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17:46.15hypn0linolin: check man page at end, got en exit code explanation
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17:46.42hypn0> The exit code returned by e2fsck is the sum  of  the  following  conditions:
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17:52.30jhutchinshypn0: To enable group membership you need to log out and log back in.
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18:44.09phaidrostrying to set up etherpad as a systemd service, the process gets started, but the demon doesn´t listen to a port ..
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18:44.41phaidrosrunning the etherpad script direct as user and not via systemd it works fine
18:45.02phaidrosany hint, how to tell systemd to let the etherpad process listen to a port?
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18:48.43phaidroswhat actually happens: http://pastie.org/10230038
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19:00.23Quibushi all
19:00.51QuibusI'm trying to write the Debian 8.1 iso to an usb-stick as per the manual in https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en, but I get an error: cp: cannot create regular file ‘/dev/sdf’: No medium found
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19:02.02joltQuibus: sounds like the stick is not identified
19:02.13joltQuibus: Are you sure it's called sdf?
19:02.22Quibusdmesg said so
19:02.30Quibus[41299.595971] sd 7:0:0:0: [sdf] Attached SCSI removable disk
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19:02.55joltLooks good
19:04.57QuibusI did eject it, as it was auto-mounted by GNOME when I inserted it
19:05.01joltAre you root? Are the file system already mounted somewhere
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19:05.12joltAha, then it probably is not available to the system anymore
19:05.27Quibushow to proceed then?
19:05.39joltremove it, put it back in, umount /dev/sdfX and try again
19:06.15QuibusOK, that works
19:06.23QuibusApparently the 'eject' is not the same as just umounting
19:06.53joltnope :)
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19:07.10joltit unmounts and removes the device entry for safe removal
19:07.16joltOr that is my guess
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19:07.49QuibusOK, well, thanks :-)
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19:11.29jhutchinsBasically eject unmount & blocks automounting until there is a plug event at that address (drive is plugged back in).
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19:18.55LiENUSso uh now that jessie is released, whats the chances of getting them to apply bugfixes like https://bugzilla.samba.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10984?
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19:19.09LiENUSseems to be killing my ability to print entirely
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19:20.26jhutchinsLiENUS: Can you document that the problem is version-specific?
19:20.38jhutchins,v cups
19:20.39juddPackage: cups on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 1.4.4-7+squeeze4; squeeze: 1.4.4-7+squeeze5; squeeze-security-lts: 1.4.4-7+squeeze7; wheezy: 1.5.3-5+deb7u4; wheezy-proposed-updates: 1.5.3-5+deb7u5; wheezy-security: 1.5.3-5+deb7u5; sid: 1.7.5-11; jessie: 1.7.5-11; stretch: 1.7.5-11; experimental: 2.0.2-3
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19:20.50LiENUSjhutchins, how so?
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19:21.36LiENUStheres a patch for it posted in the bug tracker that does not appear to be applied to the samba with jessie...
19:21.40jhutchins,v samba
19:21.41juddPackage: samba on amd64 -- squeeze: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3squeeze11; squeeze-security: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3squeeze11; squeeze-security-lts: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3squeeze12; wheezy: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u4; squeeze-backports: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u5~bpo60+1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u5; wheezy-security: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u5; wheezy-backports: 2:4.1.17+dfsg-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2:4.1.17+dfsg-2; stretch: 2:4.1.17+dfsg-4;
19:21.42juddsid: 2:4.1.17+dfsg-4
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19:22.26jhutchinsLiENUS: I believe the procedure is to create a bug if Debian (or ammend one) and include the fix.
19:22.55LiENUSwell last time there was a critical bugfix in samba for wheezy the debian guys marked it as accepted said it was coming in a future update
19:23.00LiENUSthen it never got applied
19:23.02MO_Handescan netbeans ide be installed only with php and html5 support and not all the java, python, etc features with apt-get or I need to go with the binaries from official netbeans site?
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19:23.21LiENUSlast time just broke windows 8 printing, now i cant get printing to work on xp, vista, 7 or 8
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19:24.18ompaulraises an eyebrow
19:24.36jhutchinsLiENUS: That looks like an error-handling bug, shouldn't be keeping you from printing properly.
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19:25.02jhutchinsLiENUS: Can't windows print to a CUPS share?  Iirc it understands ipp.
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19:25.46LiENUSjhutchins, it can but i dont even know where to begin with updating the automation scripts to do it, driver selection becomes fun at that point
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19:26.13ompaulfor cups drivers - use PPD and work with that
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19:26.35ompaulunless it is hp in which case ... yuk but yeah do the hp thing
19:26.38jhutchinsLiENUS: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/CUPS_printer_sharing
19:26.49K-202Hi. What can be wrong with my ncurses? I can't set border for any window and when I call wbkgd() to set background for window, only text is highlighted with background, not the whole window area. Debian 8, XFCE, xfce4-terminal
19:27.06LiENUSjhutchins, i can manually add printers fine with that route, not so much for having an automated script
19:27.45ompaulwell when you say automated how abstract is it
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19:28.40LiENUStheres just a vbscript somewhere that loops over a list of printers to add them to the system when a new windows machine is set up, samba then handles the actual driver distribution
19:28.58ompaulit should work better with ipp
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19:31.35cjohnsonIs there any way to answer "yes" to the first question in apt-get install foo without it also answering yes to every subsequent question?
19:31.39LiENUSyeah but i've no idea how to automate ipp adding and ipp requires a driver to be specified no idea how to handle that
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19:32.00cjohnsonie I want to install a package without prompting but if there are problems like conflicting config files, I want it to pause for user interaction
19:34.06ompaulcjohnson:  echo y|  doesn't have it do secondary things but you never know
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19:34.32ompaulcjohnson: what apt will tell you as you start to do things so it will pull in depends or if you use aptitude some recommends
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19:34.58cjohnsonompaul: that would continually answer yes, so that doesn't solve my issue since it will erroneously answer yes to any dpkg conflicting config prompts
19:35.03ompaulcjohnson: it's a bad idea to just install without reading suppose it wants to remove lots of things you just said yes to
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19:35.37ompaulcjohnson: but you didn't want gone
19:36.16cjohnsonI would use this only in certain situations, I feel confident that I am right in always answering yes to the very first question of "are you sure you want to install the following packages?"
19:36.46ompaulif you are using backports or mixing things ... then that would be a bad idea
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19:36.57cjohnsonno I'm not. Merely installing packages
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19:37.06cjohnsonphp5-fpm
19:37.08cjohnsonfor instance
19:37.18cjohnsonI definitely want to install it. but if there's already a config file I don't want to blow it away
19:37.23heimdallrwhat would cause auto repeat to stop working on a keyboard?
19:37.28cjohnsonand if they conflict answering y will blow away the config file
19:37.35ChrisHNext problem with my upgraded Box. http://paste.debian.net/213181/  LVM snapshot creation fails.... Anyone with non-amd64 installation here to crosscheck that?
19:38.16cjohnsonand --assume-yes will just skip over the dpkg conflict prompt
19:38.21cjohnsonleaving my web server not running
19:38.23ompauldid I say --assume-yes
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19:38.29ompaulI think you'll find I did not
19:38.34cjohnsonDid I say you did?
19:38.38cjohnsondon't need to be so snarky
19:38.45ompaulI said something else entirely
19:38.49cjohnsonI'm aware
19:39.29cjohnsonI explained my issue with that approach and also explained why --assume-yes also doesn't work, in case anybody would suggest that as the next solution
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19:40.38greycatSo, you're trying to program an AI to be your system admin, at least regarding package upgrading?
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19:41.05cjohnsonNope. I just want a script that will install php5-fpm without my interaction -- unless there's something wrong
19:41.22cjohnsonFor a quick script I can use to stand up new servers or bring old ones up to date
19:42.01greycatOther than editing the files in /etc, what does this script actually need to DO?
19:42.10cjohnsonI've used puppet in the past for instance and I find I end up spending far more effort just figuring out where everything is at and trying to make changes to my puppet configs
19:42.15cjohnsonso I'm giving a simple shell script a try
19:42.36cjohnsonthat's really it greycat. I've already got the script that sets up my application. I just need this one to install the base packages
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19:42.59greycatI mean, editing the files in /etc is a hundred times as hard as the part you're describing right now.
19:43.12cjohnsonI'm not trying to solve a problem of difficulty
19:43.13greycatSo I don't understand why you're so focused on this.
19:43.58cjohnsonI never understand this about FOSS channels. I get that you maybe don't understand my motives exactly, but I'm not here for a lesson on how you personally would approach something. I'm just curious if there's a way to answer yes to only the initla question for apt-get install
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19:44.13cjohnsonIt will make my life 0.5% easier
19:44.13greycatCan't you just hit Enter?
19:44.22cjohnsonSure, but that's 0.5% harder
19:44.29greycat...
19:44.41cjohnsonand thus we return to "I get that you maybe don't understand my motives exactly"
19:44.52cjohnsonI'd rather the script just run, *unless* it needs my interaction
19:44.56cjohnsonbut otherwise run without promptin
19:44.57greycatCan you just hit Enter on every question that apt-get asks you and get the result you desire?
19:45.11greycatOr do you ACTUALLY LITERALL NEED to press 'y'?
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19:45.31cjohnsonstill requires interaction in a situation that doesn't really require my actual interaction
19:45.47greycatSo you don't want my help?  OK.  *plonk*
19:45.55cjohnsonthat's not what I said is it?
19:46.03cjohnsonYou're just not answering my question
19:46.15cjohnsonif you don't have an answer that's fine
19:46.16cjohnsonno hard feelings
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19:46.40greycat(Note to other chat participants: if you just want to COMPLAIN about a package, #debian is not the place to do so.  File a wishlist bug report stating what you would like it to do differently.)
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19:47.26cjohnsonIs that related to me or just another topic?
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19:47.48cjohnsonI'm not here to complain about anything... just looking for a solution to a fairly trivial (I thought) issue
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19:50.36ompaulecho y | apt-get install mysql-server <<leads to >> E: Failure running script /usr/sbin/apt-listbugs apt   <<<funny how that worked>>> or maybe not if you stuck it in a shell script behind screen or your favourite screen like thing - so if it fails there is an open session to attach to
19:50.51ompaulnotes that's sid
19:50.58ompaulbefore anyone thinks their world might be broken
19:51.33greycat$ yes '' | head -10 | od -t x1
19:51.33greycat0000000 0a 0a 0a 0a 0a 0a 0a 0a 0a 0a
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19:52.06greycatI *tried* to go that way, but he just wanted to whine instead of working on his "0.5% improvement" solution.
19:52.12cjohnsonnobody is whining
19:52.13ompauldances to the beat of the octal display scream
19:52.24cjohnsonstop with your passive-aggressive nonsense
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19:53.14cjohnsonI asked a simple question and I get a lecture. It's not whining to disagree with the almighty greycat's view on how things should be done
19:53.54cjohnsonObviously what I thought was simple isn't so simple. Why does everything have to be such a ridiculous argument in the foss world?
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19:55.32tugrikheh cjohnson - it's FOSS - it's not simple ;)
19:55.47cjohnsonhaha fair enough but sometimes it really is and I'm just overlooking something obvious
19:55.49tugrikfrom a quick look at the man pages, because it's an interesting problem, it might be possible
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19:56.00tugrikit's all obvious in retrospect ;)
19:56.06cjohnson:P
19:56.25cjohnsonwhat are you seeing that makes you think it might be possible? I was reading hte manpage but the only thing I found was --assume-yes
19:56.31tugrikbut it looks like you call apt - which calls a particular apt.conf file - which would call dpkg with particular options
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19:57.03cjohnsonhrm, alrighty it might be worth investigating that further. thanks for the tip
19:57.08tugrikI'm looking at " --force-things, --no-force-things, --refuse-things" in "man dpkg", that *might* do what you want
19:57.16blebI'm trying to run java 7 on debian. I installed the openjdk-7-jdk package, but java -version prints: java version "1.6.0_35"
19:57.19blebOpenJDK Runtime Environment (IcedTea6 1.13.7) (6b35-1.13.7-1~deb7u1)
19:57.21blebOpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM (build 23.25-b01, mixed mode)
19:57.30blebI think I'm running java 6, though that's not clear to me from the output above. How would I upgrade to java 7?
19:57.44cjohnsonbleb: "which java" returns what? what does dpkg say is the installation path for your openjdk-7-jdk package?
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19:59.12tugrikespecially cjohnson look at confold and confdef - but this really looks like a rabbit hole, pack supplies and take backups ;)
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20:00.13shanoplexor, one that could be configured
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20:02.17shanoplexis there a some sort of alert acknowledgement within kibana ?
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20:11.18ChrisHIs that the expected output from dpkg -l: ii  linux-image-3.16.0-4-686-pae     3.16.7-ckt11-1      Kernel 3.16.7 masked as 3.16.0-4 ??
20:11.19greycatyes
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20:12.27ChrisHSad. hoped to had a solution to my LVM snapshot issue found. reportbug does not know that this is expected.
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20:13.33ChrisHNext problem with my upgraded Box. http://paste.debian.net/213181/  LVM snapshot creation fails.... Anyone with non-amd64 installation here to crosscheck that?
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20:18.48blebcjohnson: which java returns /usr/bin/java, which ultimately links to  /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk-amd64/jre/bin/java... so that shows I'm running java 6. I could manually relink it to java 7 but I imagine there's a safer way
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20:19.26greycatbleb: /usr/bin/java is a symlink to /etc/alternatives/java which means you should be able to do "update-alternatives --config java" or something
20:19.38cjohnsonhttps://wiki.debian.org/DebianAlternatives probably helpful
20:20.09blebgracias
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20:34.22hypn0there is a gui too galternatives
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20:36.30acz32looks like minitube in debian is broken. upstream issue though
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20:38.34marioxccWhat is the benefit of DVD installation media compared to CDs?
20:38.58petemcDVD can hold more data
20:39.15marioxccpetemc: Yes, I already know that.
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20:39.30petemcwell, thats pretty much it
20:39.32acz32so why are you asking?
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20:40.22petemcDVD not recommended due to fact you would be downloading lots of packages you wouldnt use
20:40.24marioxccI didn't ask what's the benefits of DVDs compared to CDs, but what is the benefit of using DVD _installation media_
20:40.49greycatI still don't understand how the answer that you got isn't satisfactory.
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20:41.27marioxccI have the option of using a DVD or a CD to install Debian.
20:41.43marioxccWhat are the upsides of using the DVD? the fact that it can store more data is meaningless.
20:41.48greycatWhich install image are you going to write?  Is it smaller than 700 MB?  Then use a CD.
20:42.03acz32marioxcc: DVD can store more data. period
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20:42.37greycatIf you're in some rural area with no Internet and you wanted to install a bunch of crap on machines all at once, then a DVD install image would let you pack more crap on the medium.
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20:42.54jhutchinsmarioxcc: It's simply a question of capacity, and the fact that most people have DVD writers and media around.  A lot of people don't bother keeping CDs and DVDs.
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20:43.55marioxcclet me phrase it another way: What benefits will I get installing Debian using the DVD image that I wouldn't get installing it using the CD image?.
20:44.09greycatYou're asking the wrong question.
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20:44.51greycatIs your machine going to have high-speed Internet connectivity during and after the install?  Then use a CD (or USB device) with the SMALLEST image you can get.  The netinst image.
20:44.57acz32marioxcc: you will be able to store more packages on the install DVD vs CD
20:45.18greycatThe ONLY time you would want to pack a bunch of crap on an install medium is if you do not have high-speed Internet access all the time.
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20:45.47greycatHe left before we could finish educatin' him. :(
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20:46.13zokuhaving some issues with systemd and password agents I think
20:46.26zokuinstalling any packages which change systemd hangs
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20:46.45greycat... and the DRAWBACK of packing a bunch of crap on an install medium, other than the time wasted downloading all that crap, is that more and more of the packages on your install medium will be full of security holes and need patching later.
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20:53.15jhutchinsI wonder if there's much feedback on the mailing lists about the Jessie/systemd release.
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20:59.33goldspudhello
20:59.49goldspudwould anyone be able to take a look at my xrandr problem?
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21:02.53QuibusI just installed a minimal Wheezy on my new SSD, but after booting it, my screen goes off and it seems to hang... it does boot completely, but after that I can only do CTRL-ALT-DEL to reboot
21:03.05QuibusShould I have selected more than 0 things in the tasksel dialog?
21:03.12Quibus(I unchecked everything, because I want to upgrade it to testing (been running that since 2001))
21:03.37jellyQuibus: why did you not install jessie?
21:03.50QuibusI meant Jessie, sorry
21:03.59Quibus8.1 says the netinst iso
21:04.30jellyright, that's jessie.  Does the machine answer to ping after the screen switches off?
21:04.38Quibusit doesn't seem to
21:04.51Quibusif it got the same IP address, which it should have
21:05.00jellycan you boot in rescue mode?
21:05.12Quibusrescue mode shows more boot images, but after that the same happens
21:05.35Quibuss/images/messages
21:06.12QuibusIt's not a problem that I unselected all tasksel items?
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21:07.52greycatnope
21:08.28greycat(It means you'll be missing some "standard" packages like ed, unless you install them later, but if you're declining the standard option, you should be prepared for that.)
21:10.09QuibusI was planning to simply run tasksel again after I'm in testing
21:10.18Quibusso um... what now?
21:11.20QuibusI booted to my old install on the HDD now, so I can inspect the SSD
21:11.24greycatIt sounds like the system may be up and running just fine, but with a blank console for some reason.
21:11.53QuibusI tried some CTRL-ALT-F1/F2 etc. to no avail
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21:13.03QuibusI'm browsing that disk right now, but I have no real clue what to look for... perhaps some log checks
21:14.18Quibuslooks like it is running the nouveau driver
21:14.43jhutchinsQuibus: set up yoru bind mounts, chroot to it, aptitude -f install, do whatever other stuff you need.
21:14.45Quibusperhaps that's bugging
21:15.07Quibus'set up your bind mounts' means what?
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21:15.26jhutchinsQuibus: nouveau is supposed to be a lot like vesa, should give you at least a minimal functional system.  Or there's vesa.
21:15.34jhutchins!fixgrub
21:15.35dpkgTo reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever".  See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
21:15.39jhutchinsLike that.
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21:16.36Quibusso, switch to the disk as a running system, even though I'm not running it...?
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21:18.20Quibusoh, looks like it got on a different IP address indeed
21:18.26flexdHas anyone had any trouble with google-chrome-unstable? Not sure if it's browser related or  another issue, but if I open a link from for example IRC (in sakura) it opens in a incognito window, and it also opens two tabs of /opt/google/chrome-unstable/google-chrome-unstable :s
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21:18.35flexdI can't get it to open the tabs in a normal chrome, or the  normal chrome I have running
21:18.36Quibusso network probably was working
21:18.37itryI installed debian 8. Now i cannot stop mysql. Neither with "service mysql stop" nor with "/etc/init.d/mysql stop". Does that have to do with this new process manager thingy? How do you stop services now?
21:18.50flexditry: systemctl stop mysql.service
21:18.57flexdor something like that
21:18.58itryflexd: damn!
21:18.58flexd:)
21:19.12itryif i hate something, then it is change.
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21:19.40flexdchange is good, it brings wisdom and new learning :)
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21:20.32QuibusCan I prevent it from booting nouveau stuff?
21:20.59flexdyou can uninstall it and blacklist the driver?
21:21.32itrywhatever i do, mysqld stays in the ps output. should i just kill it?
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21:21.38jhutchinsitry: Welcome to systemd.
21:22.00jellyeyes jhutchins
21:22.22itryjhutchins: its so annoying. when i do "/etc/init.d/mysql stop" i get "[ ok ] Stopping mysql (via systemctl): mysql.service."
21:22.26itrybut it is not stopped
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21:22.31itryi still see it in the process list
21:22.36itryis that a bug?
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21:23.40itryreboots
21:23.44jellyitry: put the output of "systemctl status mysql.service" and "ps -fe |grep mysql" into a pastebin (paste.debian.net)
21:23.57itryjelly: too late, i just issued a reboot
21:24.03itrynow the machine hangs...
21:24.51itry...and hangs...
21:24.55itrywhat do i do now?
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21:25.10jellypower-cycle?
21:25.23itryjelly: ugh...
21:25.28jellySysRq s then u then b?
21:25.50Laserburngood to see this place is as toxic as it always has been
21:26.13jellyLaserburn: hi there.
21:26.16Laserburnhey
21:26.25itryi hit ctrl+c and got "broken pipe" and was back on my local machine. now how do i find out if the machine rebooted or not?
21:26.34jellyLaserburn: you've just joined and may be missing the context
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21:27.01Laserburnjelly: I'm just kidding man, just some late 90s nostalgia when I joined :)
21:27.20jellyLaserburn: I don't appreciate that tone of "kidding" sorry.
21:27.29Laserburnjelly: I don't really care either way!
21:27.30nkuttleri think the channel was much more educational when it was more hostile
21:27.48Laserburnnkuttler: it certainly made me read a LOT of documentation
21:27.58jellyitry: do you have console access?
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21:28.02itryjelly: yes
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21:28.14jellythen open the console and see what's happening
21:28.23itryuptime says "23:27:58 up 4 min,  1 user,  load average: 0,00, 0,01, 0,01"
21:28.31itrythat means it was rebooted 4 min ago?
21:28.43jellyyeah
21:28.45itryjelly: now im not sure what you mean with "console". i thought you mean ssh.
21:28.46itryok
21:28.50itryso that thing rebooted.
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21:29.14jellyno, I meant console, either a physical one or a remotely manageable serial or VGA one
21:29.57itryjelly: oh, no.
21:30.06itrynow lets see if i can stop mysql...
21:30.20itrywhat is the right way to do it in debian 8?
21:30.48jellyitry: put the output of "systemctl status mysql.service" and "ps -fe |grep mysql" into a pastebin (paste.debian.net), before doing anything else, please
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21:33.26Quibusflexd: a bit tricky as the system is not booting properly
21:33.39Quibusflexd: I can mount the disk, so that's what I'm looking at now
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21:34.21itryjelly: http://pastie.org/10230352
21:34.28flexdQuibus: can't you boot it up and switch to another terminal? No need for X
21:34.28itryjelly: replaced my hostname with "***"
21:35.04itryjelly: can i do "service mysql stop" now?
21:35.13Quibusflexd: it doesn't even have X, it's a minimal install
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21:35.47Quibusflexd: but after boot the screen goes off and my monitor goes off and with that it's dead
21:35.47jellyitry: looks fine, so yeah
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21:36.18flexdQuibus: If you do not have X, why would noveau matter?
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21:36.31flexdnouveau*
21:36.33Quibusflexd: I see nouveau is loaded in its boot messages
21:36.35itryjelly: ok... (i did an "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" meanwhile by the way)
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21:37.18Quibusstuff like this: kernel: [    3.861594] nouveau  [  DEVICE][0000:01:00.0] BOOT0  : 0x094100a1
21:37.22jhutchinsQuibus: You might /msg dpkg nouveau
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21:38.26Quibusjhutchins: I know what nouveau is... so... what do you mean?
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21:39.00Quibusis there a kernel boot option to force VESA or something?
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21:40.18jellyitry: ok, but for the record, it's not a good idea to do unrelated OS or package-related things while getting help
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21:40.38itryjelly: yeah
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21:42.17itrywhat is still unanswered is how to stop mysql
21:42.26Laserburnservice mysql stop
21:42.34itryLaserburn: does not work
21:42.41Laserburnwhy
21:42.53itryit produces no output and the process is still there.
21:43.35Laserburnwhat do you still see there?
21:43.57itryin "ps aux" i see mysqld
21:44.12Quibuswell, I'd better continue another time
21:44.15Quibusthanks so far and good night
21:44.19itryin "systemctl status mysql.service" i see "Process: 3371 ExecStop=/etc/init.d/mysql stop (code=exited, status=1/FAILURE)" now
21:44.30itryshould i kill it?
21:45.07itrykill killed it.
21:45.19Laserburnwhat if you start it and try to stop it again?
21:45.21Laserburnwonder if it fails
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21:47.00itryit seems to work when my mysql config is good
21:47.14itrybut when i edit it and mysql does not like it, its not stoppable anymore.
21:47.54itrymaybe some bug with the new proccess manager thingy?
21:47.58jhutchinsLaserburn: I know I was having a problem with restarting the networking service.  Niether service ... nor sysctl ... did anything.  I had to manually do ifdown/ifup on each interface.
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21:48.24jhutchinsitry: THis was upgraded, right?
21:48.31itryjhutchins: what?
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21:48.52jhutchinsitry: The system was upgraded from wheezy to jessie?
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21:49.03itryjhutchins: no, its a debian 8 install from scratch
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21:49.35jhutchinsHm.  Implies deeper rot than I thought, I thought it was just jobs that still used the initscripts in systemd.
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22:03.43marioxccHi.
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22:04.24stevejobsinhellhi
22:04.35marioxccWhat IDE would you suggest that works with C, C++ and Python that doesn't requires much learning to use and allows user to easily specify his own compilation commands and indentation style?.
22:04.35stevejobsinhellis debian available for arm cortex m3?
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22:05.09stevejobsinhellmarioxcc: kdevelop.  also qt creator supports both langauges.
22:05.32Laserburnmarioxcc: vim
22:05.40stevejobsinhellor that.
22:06.04marioxccLaserburn: VIM requires the user to learn several commands before even being able to edit a file.
22:06.12marioxccWhich is fine, but it is not what I am looking for.
22:06.14stevejobsinhellcheat sheet.
22:06.18marioxccstevejobsinhell: Ok.
22:06.20NoImNotNineVoltstevejobsinhell: probably?
22:06.53LaserburnI wouldn't say "several", but a few...and once you learn to use it, you'll find it's already installed on nearly every modern linux machine in existence, and you'll never fumble for an editor because your editor of choice is so ubiquitous
22:06.56jellystevejobsinhell: that's a weird question.  Judging from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_Cortex-M#Cortex-M3, SoC with that core might work with debian "armhf".  However support for a specific system-on-chip or a specific board needs a lot of work.
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22:08.27jellystevejobsinhell: that work has to be done mostly on the kernel side of the things.  So if you have a working, booting kernel for a specific board with a specific SoC with that ARM core, then Debian userspace might work on it
22:08.52iDedmaybe it's not debian that I need.  I just want to run assembly programs in an emulator with out buying hardware yet.
22:09.46jellythen investigate which emulator is good enough for you, qemu is a free one that might be.
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22:12.22BestKoreaquestion: if I install a debian base system in a directory, then chroot to it, and run Firefox with a less privilaged account - will firefox then use the IPTables settings in the chroot or the main system?
22:12.54BestKoreaor will firefox traffic go through both sets of iptables, pending no rules blocking?
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22:15.04jellyBestKorea: it's all the same kernel, so there's only one set of active iptables rules at one time, the same within the chroot or out of it
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22:16.36BestKoreaso... the iptables settings within the base install / chroot will be irrelevant? (this is how I want it)
22:17.40BestKoreaalso... would there be a guide/method to making a chroot read only? I am looking to use this base install as a "sandbox" where the majority of changes are in ram only
22:17.53BestKoreaif possible
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22:18.10jellyBestKorea: no, the "iptables" command inside chroot, and the on outside, use the same kernel interface.  You'll have whatever rules you set regardless of where you set them from.,
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22:19.19BestKoreahmmm.... understood. I was forgetting that iptables is essentially in ram and is re-configured via a script on each boot
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22:20.38jellyNeobenedict: put it on all four!
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22:21.25jellyunless your disks are unpartitioned and used whole.
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22:22.12goldspudanyone have any ideas why this isn't working? http://pastebin.com/h8ewFcAQ
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22:22.28Neobenedictjelly: what do you mean?
22:22.53Neobenedictthey are partitioned
22:23.06jellyNeobenedict: then install grub on all four physical disks.
22:23.21Neobenedictjelly: http://pastebin.com/RiXJ23YN
22:23.24Neobenedictso all 4?
22:24.16jellyyes, with hope that if the first one dies the second may be bootable
22:24.31Neobenedictokay thanks
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22:25.15BestKoreaanyone know how to add a backup server choice to dnscrypt? I hate not having a backup server
22:26.34BestKoreaI guess I could run a second instance of dnscrypt using a seperate server on another port, then point unbound to it as a backup resolver
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22:36.03jhami need some help. got a used lenovo x230 but cannot get trackpoint working at all under jessie. find /dev/input/event* -exec udevadm info --attribute-walk --name={} \; | grep -e product -e name does not print anything with "trackpoint" in it. did i miss some package to install? it's not just that vertical/horizontal scrolling would not work. it's "trackpoint is dead"
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22:36.09jhamanyone a hint?
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22:37.50Neobenedicthttp://pastebin.com/XDJbUN0Q \o/
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22:42.50BestKoreaalright.... how can I setup a backup server for unbound to?
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22:43.41BestKoreai want to add a second
22:43.54BestKoreathe man/info file is empty and I have no working dns, so I can't google search
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22:46.37knosyshello
22:46.48Neobenedictguys
22:46.48BestKoreahello
22:46.49Neobenedicthelp please
22:46.49Neobenedicthttp://pastebin.com/TyuYNsBJ
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22:46.56Neobenedicti ran upgrade instead of dist-upgrade like a tool
22:47.02knosysguys I am having sometimes a performance problem while typing in any terminal. Do someone knows why is this happening'
22:47.16BestKoreakewl
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22:47.33BestKoreaa performance problem is really vague
22:47.35knosysnot through ssh, just in local
22:47.55knosysyes i know... For example im editing in vim, and I got a delay, sometimes less than 1 second
22:48.05knosysits really unconfortable
22:48.29knosysand sometimes just when try to auto-complete with TAB key some directory name
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22:48.54knosysI am using a SSD drive and the computer specs. arent bad
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22:49.45jhamhmm... rebooted the system - trackpoint is working. restarting x did not help oO
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22:53.33Neobenedictguys
22:53.38Neobenedicthow the fuck do I fix this
22:53.46Neobenedicthttp://pastebin.com/688vjppJ
22:53.53NeobenedictI seem to have uninstalled part of the kernel
22:53.57BestKoreadude, I literally cannot read pastebin without enabling javascript
22:54.03Neobenedictoh well
22:54.05BestKoreathat said, I definately cannot help you
22:54.07Neobenedicthttp://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=688vjppJ
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22:54.34BestKorea>I seem to have uninstalled part of the kernel
22:54.36BestKorealol
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22:55.12Neobenedicti'm in a loop atm
22:55.14Neobenedicthow do I fix this
22:55.37BestKoreawell can you manually install the dependancies?
22:55.40Neobenedictnope
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22:55.49Neobenedicthttp://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=JeXsaC4W
22:55.53Neobenedictlook at this shit
22:55.54Neobenedicthow fucked am I
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22:58.51BestKoreaget a base system or livecd and try to copy over the missing dependencies from there?
22:59.02BestKoreaobviously apt-get is broken
22:59.54BestKoreaI don't know though... that's what I'd do with windows if I corrupted the kernel... copy over files from a backup
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23:08.20jellyNeobenedict: do an "apt-get update", then show output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy initramfs-tools lvm2 libdevmapper1.02.1"
23:09.07Neobenedictjelly: i've been told removing lvm2 will help
23:09.10Neobenedictsince I don't need it
23:09.19jellythat's not the root cause
23:09.32Neobenedicthttp://pastebin.com/VyuezSAh jelly
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23:10.01jellyNeobenedict: you're mixing wheezy and jessie repos, why?
23:10.13Neobenedictyou want my sources.list?
23:10.35Neobenedictit's in there as 'backupmirror'
23:10.51Neobenedictoh wait I didn't comment it out
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23:10.59jellyNeobenedict: I'd like an answer to the question... these are two different releases, it's not sane to have _both_ configured
23:11.08NeobenedictI upgraded and didn't comment one of them out
23:11.14Neobenedictbut I'm missing a piece of kernel at the moment
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23:11.37Neobenedictjelly: http://puu.sh/ihBNe/73ea36fa3d.png is this how it should look?
23:11.38jellyNeobenedict: your system seems to be wheezy-ish at the moment.  Are you trying to do a release upgrade, from wheezy to jessie?
23:11.41Neobenedictyes
23:11.42Neobenedictcorrect
23:11.57Neobenedictand I ran upgrade instead of dist-upgrade
23:12.00Neobenedictthen things broke
23:12.15Neobenedictthen I ran something from stack-overflow and removed initramfs or something
23:12.41jellyNeobenedict: looking at your output, you only tried to do an "upgrade" but it didn't actually do anything
23:13.12Neobenedictokay, can you tell me about this sources.list before I save it
23:13.16Neobenedictit it correct now
23:13.28jellyNeobenedict: put back wheezy repos.  Do an update, install initramfs-tools back.
23:13.51Neobenedictalright
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23:14.22jellythen comment out dotdeb, go back to jessie, and read jessie release notes, they explain the release upgrade process.
23:14.34jellydpkg, wheezy->jessie
23:14.34dpkgRead (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> http://deb.li/ldcj .   In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "wheezy" to "jessie".  apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade.  3rd party repos like <dmo> are known to cause problems with the upgrade.  See also <jessie sysvinit>.
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23:14.55jellydotdeb is one of those "3rd party repos"
23:15.06Neobenedictjelly: considering the huge amount of errors I was having, are there any commands to check if things are back to how they were I can run
23:15.13Neobenedictshould I apt-get upgrade or something
23:15.18Neobenedictafter update and install initramfs-tools
23:15.20jellydon't
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23:15.42jellyor at least, do it with --dry-run (-s) option
23:16.09Neobenedictupgrade just does this jelly http://puu.sh/ihC3Q/5b35c657d3.png
23:16.11Neobenedictwith -s
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23:16.50jellythat's fine.  Now go read the release notes.
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23:17.39jellyThey will tell you what to do with "kept back" or "held" packages, among other things.
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23:18.01srgAnyone know of a good calculator for Xfce? Low dependencies (no gnome, kde, etc). I've used SpeedCrunch, but it's sort of annoying.
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23:19.21Neobenedictjelly:
23:19.21NeobenedictRemoving linux-base ...
23:19.23Neobenedictand we broke it again
23:19.24jellyNeobenedict: you're supposed to unhold those and let them upgrade... in case of PHP, you'll get debian's 5.6 instead of dotdeb's 5.5 which may break your apps... but you want to go to jessie, so that's your choice
23:19.34jelly!bat
23:19.34dpkgIn order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy".  Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information.  Also ask me about <localized errors>.
23:19.39jellyNeobenedict: ^^
23:19.47Neobenedict4.2.1. Review actions pending in package manager
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23:20.11NeobenedictI reinstalled linux-base but that step seems to want to remove linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64
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23:21.47Neobenedictjelly: so completely remove that dotdeb
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23:22.02Neobenedictfrom the sources.list
23:22.26jellycomment it out for the time being, or remove it, it's equivalent
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23:23.34Neobenedictjelly: can you explain this aptitude thing
23:23.43jellywhich aptitude thing, sorry?
23:23.49Neobenedicthttp://puu.sh/ihCwO/0aa9bbf7fb.png
23:23.51Neobenedictwhen you press g
23:23.58Neobenedictit says packages being removed linux-base
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23:24.27jellyum, sorry, why did you enter aptitude?
23:24.45Neobenedicthttps://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html
23:24.48Neobenedict4.2.1. Review actions pending in package manager
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23:25.08NeobenedictHow do I 'fix' them?
23:25.23jellyand you're getting these pending actions with wheezy sources.list?
23:25.30Neobenedictyes
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23:26.14jellyit seems unsafe for it to remove the kernel if it's the running one\
23:26.31Neobenedictwell, it probably is
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23:27.04Neobenedictso what to do?
23:27.06Neobenedictskip that step?
23:28.01jellyquit aptitude for the time being, run "apt-get -s install linux-image-amd64", see if that looks sane, if it does, do it without -s.  then go back to aptitude and see what else it complains about
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23:28.43Neobenedictalright
23:29.15Neobenedictjelly: now it says it's broken http://puu.sh/ihCPR/a3b6fc53e3.png
23:29.21Neobenedict'unsatisfied dependancies'
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23:29.44jellyNeobenedict: did "apt-get -s install linux-image-amd64" look fine?
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23:29.50Neobenedictit did
23:29.56Neobenedictjust installing 1 package
23:29.57Neobenedictlooked fine
23:29.59jellydid you install that package?
23:30.02Neobenedictyes
23:30.27jellyweird.
23:30.50jellyquit aptitude, do "aptitude install linux-image-amd64", show the output
23:30.57Neobenedictwithout -s?
23:31.16jellyit's already installed... so yeah
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23:31.32jellyaptitude will complain anyway if it can't do it
23:31.34NeobenedictNo packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed.
23:31.34Neobenedict0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
23:31.34NeobenedictNeed to get 0 B of archives. After unpacking 0 B will be used.
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23:32.52jellyif you run "aptitude" in the UI mode again and 'g'o does it still want to remove the kernel package?
23:33.27NeobenedictI am not running as root http://puu.sh/ihD62/9ff813368b.png
23:33.39Neobenedictbut I don't need to
23:33.42Neobenedictand don't want to :P
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23:34.56jellyNeobenedict: um, run it as root instead.  I don't see why else it would think one thing in CLI and the other in the UI.
23:35.15Neobenedictand if it suddenly uninstalls it
23:35.25Neobenedictand I get the "WARNING you are uninstalling your kernel abort yes/no" blue screen
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23:35.29jellydon't confirm the go
23:35.44Neobenedicthttp://puu.sh/ihDeX/e0d8dc5de3.png
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23:36.34jellyNeobenedict: press escape there?
23:36.51Neobenedictesc doesn't do anything
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23:37.05jellyeh, then click ok
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23:37.23Neobenedictand what do if it begins uninstalling?
23:37.29Neobenedictlet it uninstall my kernel?
23:37.32jellyNeobenedict: then you'll install it back
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23:37.57NeobenedictI clicked somewhere and it just disappeared
23:37.59Neobenedictthe message
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23:38.09Neobenedicthowever this is still here http://puu.sh/ihDmQ/5b15f3c143.png
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23:38.43jellyright, now cursor down to the linux-image-3.2.0-amd64 line, and press + on it
23:39.23Neobenedicthttp://puu.sh/ihDrk/1cd40d799f.png
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23:40.12jellythat's better
23:40.23Neobenedictwhat now
23:40.29jellyso it's not marked for removal any more?
23:40.33Neobenedictnope
23:40.42jellythen 'g'o again
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23:40.50Neobenedictjelly http://puu.sh/ihDrk/1cd40d799f.png
23:40.52Neobenedicthttp://puu.sh/ihDwv/5e85a8ce60.png
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23:41.17Neobenedictokay
23:41.21Neobenedictgoing back in it's gone
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23:41.39Neobenedicthttp://puu.sh/ihDzn/282174ab47.png but now this jelly
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23:42.31jellyNeobenedict: wierd.  do an aptitude update.
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23:43.01Neobenedictwhy am I seeing jessie in my update query
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23:43.20Neobenedictoh I think there's like 1 jessie packagein a apt.d folder somewhere
23:43.41Neobenedictdeb https://weechat.org/debian jessie main
23:43.42jellythat may be the reason why aptitude is doing strange things
23:43.49Neobenedictremoved
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23:44.14Neobenedictlinux-image-amd64 is still there
23:44.21Neobenedicthow can I make it satisfy dependencies
23:44.33jellynot likely, but who knows.  After you did an update again, and try to + the linux-image-amd64 line, too
23:45.11Neobenedictokay
23:45.14Neobenedictnow there's just those xservers
23:45.17Neobenedictif I + them too
23:45.19Neobenedictwill they go away
23:45.21Neobenedictdont need xserver
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23:45.33jellyno, they are already marked for installation
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23:45.52jellylet them install, g again
23:46.02Neobenedictthen remove
23:46.04Neobenedicti guess
23:46.15Neobenedictor leave
23:46.15Neobenedictfor now
23:46.17Neobenedictright what's next
23:46.28jellythen aptitude will have it's state clean
23:46.38Neobenedicthow do I unhold my php packages
23:46.41jellyits*
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23:47.37jellytoo many pictures?
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23:47.58Neobenedictwe're moving to gist
23:47.58Neobenedicthttps://gist.github.com/anonymous/97f86289f26d24746875
23:48.02Neobenedicthow can I unhold those
23:48.13jelly<Neobenedict> how do I unhold my php packages # that's in 4.2.3
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23:48.44Neobenedictyes
23:48.48srgIs there a way to make bc be useful? Instead of the integer division or whatever it is that it does? like 4/5=0?
23:49.21cafuegosrg: bc -l
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23:49.28Neobenedictjelly: there is no preferences or preferences.d/*
23:49.34Neobenedictno file there / empty dir
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23:49.38cafuego.80000000000000000000
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23:50.19srgcafuego: Thank you!
23:50.19cafuegoThough frankly if you need bc to calculate 4/5 .. ;-)
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23:50.55jellyNeobenedict: sorry, I'm too tired to hand hold you the rest of the way.
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23:51.11Neobenedictalright. thanks for fixing that.
23:51.46srgcafuego: no no, i used 4/5 as an example, haha
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23:55.58Jewlshow do I check what is using my hard drive? hard drive usage just spiked to 100% and cpu is up there too
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23:57.16Jewlsmate-settings-daemon is using a bunch of cpu... could that be what is raping my hard drive?
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