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| 00:00.08 | Amarande | I've remembered times I've tried running an amd card on debian and had it be so unstable as to kernel panic on simple things like logging out |
| 00:00.20 | Amarande | but it's been a while |
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| 00:13.27 | lelo | Hello. I can't seem to run a fastcgi script. Logs: http://apaste.info/rhX Code: http://apaste.info/fFE Config: http://apaste.info/TYq - What am I doing wrong? :-) |
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| 00:15.22 | chalcedony | what can i do about my new debian computer crashing? crashed again. it went dark, pause, beep. no signal, tries to reconnect - i saw it mention ipv6 and shut itself down /it's a desktop new box |
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| 00:19.17 | anomaly | I have a video card with hdmi output. aplay -l lists three. two are hdmi related to the card and one is my sound card as device 1. alsamixer shows the card and it is unmuted. however, I can not get audio from the card. I have tried the wiki and searching online with no success. do I need to blacklist the modules being used for the graphics or what is a better suggestion, please? |
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| 00:26.25 | tpanarch1st | hi, are firewall rules in Proxmox inherited by the virtual machines? |
| 00:27.26 | tpanarch1st | sorry wrong channel :) |
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| 00:35.02 | Gigs_ | Is there something that could cause ~/.bash_profile to execute but ~/.profile to not? Since .profile sources .bashrc that's not run either. |
| 00:35.20 | Gigs_ | .profile is 644 |
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| 00:40.54 | joegiampaoli | Is it OK to install a few 32 bit libs on Jessie 64 without enabling multiarch support? And also, how safe is it really to add multiarch support in Jessie? For now I just want to save the disk space on my root partition... |
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| 00:42.29 | rawfodog | the other day my laptop monitor decided to just keep shutting off. I have to reboot to get the monitor back on. I found a short term fix, xset -dpms; xset s off, but I would like to troubleshoot a real solution for this |
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| 00:44.04 | jelly | joegiampaoli: it's safe. |
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| 00:44.57 | joegiampaoli | jelly: Safe to install just the independent libs? |
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| 00:45.58 | jelly | joegiampaoli: yes. |
| 00:46.21 | jelly | that's by far the most common use |
| 00:46.53 | joegiampaoli | jelly: OK, thanks a bunch! :) |
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| 01:15.41 | Kre10s | I run wheezy I want to install a single dbndns that only comes with sid. Whats the 'nicest' way to install this? |
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| 01:17.14 | Brigo | Kre10s, simple sid backport |
| 01:17.17 | Brigo | !ssb |
| 01:17.17 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
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| 01:33.17 | Kre10s | Brigo. So if there is no backport, I need to install build environment and build from source? |
| 01:33.39 | Brigo | Kre10s, yes, but it is semiautomatic. |
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| 01:34.21 | Kre10s | It's just I was thinking about building from source. |
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| 01:38.44 | Kre10s | Why do I need to enable debian-backports if the backport i want is unavailable? |
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| 01:39.09 | lalalal7 | whereis debian 7 live iso? |
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| 01:40.21 | lalalal7 | is there any way to get debian 7? |
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| 01:41.07 | lalalal7 | weird |
| 01:41.43 | lalalal7 | does debian 7 work? |
| 01:42.22 | lalalal7 | anyone alive here? |
| 01:42.35 | lalalal7 | bye weirdos |
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| 01:44.31 | Brigo | Kre10s, i think you needn't. |
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| 01:50.10 | Kre10s | The following new packages will be installed: build-essential cpp{a} ... whats the {a} mean? It's odd. |
| 01:50.24 | dvs | auto-install |
| 01:50.39 | Kre10s | :/ Why have I never seen it. |
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| 01:54.18 | Amarande | Kre10s: I believe {a} refers to a package that's pulled in along with another package as a dependency, as opposed to one that you yourself specifically chose to install |
| 01:54.42 | Amarande | apt maintains the distinction so that if you remove a package you install you can also purge the other packages that you only installed because you needed them for that first package |
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| 02:10.26 | sdegutis | Can someone help me figure out how to download the source of 'findimagedupes' ? |
| 02:10.38 | sdegutis | The only link I can find when I google "findimagedupes source" is a Debian package website. |
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| 02:11.22 | tortib | sdegutis, https://github.com/opennota/findimagedupes |
| 02:11.36 | sdegutis | tortib: That's a separate program with the same name. |
| 02:11.40 | sdegutis | tortib: The original is written in Perl. |
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| 02:11.57 | tortib | well if it's written in perl then you can easily install the package and then view the script could you not? |
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| 02:12.07 | sdegutis | tortib: I don't have Debian. And I don't know Perl. |
| 02:12.16 | tortib | Then why do you want the source again? |
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| 02:12.39 | sdegutis | tortib: Want to make sure I can trust it. |
| 02:12.45 | sdegutis | tortib: so I can run it on my Mac. |
| 02:12.54 | tortib | How do you know if you can trust it if you don't know how to read perl? |
| 02:13.06 | sdegutis | tortib: touche |
| 02:13.10 | tortib | bows |
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| 02:13.44 | sdegutis | Maybe I'll just shell out some money to solve this. |
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| 02:14.19 | tortib | How is money going to solve whatever issue you're having? |
| 02:14.34 | sdegutis | I'm not sure. But isn't that how you solve most computer problems? |
| 02:14.41 | sdegutis | is being slightly facetious |
| 02:14.45 | tortib | Depends on the computer and the problem |
| 02:14.48 | sdegutis | or osmething |
| 02:15.10 | sdegutis | Okay let me step back for a second and look at the bigger picture. |
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| 02:15.51 | sdegutis | I've got 82,000 photos and 2,000 movies to organize. About 5,000 of the photos are duplicates but with different resolutions (so they escaped the grasp of `fdupes`). |
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| 02:16.14 | tortib | Okay, so you want to remove the dupes? |
| 02:16.20 | sdegutis | I need to find them first. |
| 02:16.36 | sdegutis | I've heard findimagedupes can do it. But it runs on Debian. |
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| 02:16.47 | sdegutis | I'm not afraid to write my own program to do this though. |
| 02:16.53 | tortib | You can easily write a bash script to parse the image meta information with exif, depending on the dimensions of the image you can delete those specific images. |
| 02:16.58 | sdegutis | That's how I organized them this much so far. |
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| 02:17.20 | sdegutis | tortib: I already wrote a program that finds the ones of the very specific (thumbnail I'm assuming?) size. There's about 5k. |
| 02:17.42 | sdegutis | tortib: now I need to write another program (probably using UIImage or CGImage) that diffs two images which are the same except resolution. That scares me. |
| 02:17.48 | sdegutis | Or I can finally buckle down and learn imagemagick. |
| 02:18.05 | sdegutis | Heck I already learned LaTeX last month, so this should be a breeze. |
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| 02:18.21 | tortib | yeah imagemagick is another way to go about it |
| 02:18.31 | sdegutis | Thanks. Googling. |
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| 02:20.46 | tortib | I think an easier approach would be to use exif to get the dimensions of the image |
| 02:21.00 | tortib | and then have a conditional statement specify weather or not to delete the image if it's a certain dimension |
| 02:21.17 | sdegutis | tortib: But I'm not 100% sure that just because it's that dimension, it's definitely a duplicate of another. |
| 02:21.23 | tortib | You could easily run exif $file | grep "100x100" or whatever |
| 02:21.31 | sdegutis | tortib: That's why I'm taking the extra step. Otherwise I'd just loop through files-small.txt and rm the suckers. |
| 02:21.33 | tortib | ah okay verywell then |
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| 02:23.21 | sdegutis | tortib: thanks so much btw |
| 02:23.33 | tortib | for what? |
| 02:23.39 | sdegutis | your advice and help |
| 02:23.43 | tortib | np |
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| 02:24.31 | StanleyGoodman | I'm trying to setup a schroot, and I get the message " Obsolete key âlocationâ used" |
| 02:24.52 | StanleyGoodman | how am I to set the directory of the debian chroot without using location? |
| 02:25.16 | tortib | chroot /path/to/chroot /bin/bash |
| 02:25.20 | tortib | if you have bash installed in /bin |
| 02:25.23 | tortib | in the chroot |
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| 02:26.01 | StanleyGoodman | alright |
| 02:26.13 | tortib | I have never used the location variable for a chroot |
| 02:26.19 | tortib | but that argument should work properly |
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| 02:29.32 | StanleyGoodman | still doesn't work. maybe I should use directory=? I am modifying /etc/schroot/schroot.conf |
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| 02:30.20 | Name141 | I'm going to assume that I don't need to upgrade to 8.1 if I had 8 ? |
| 02:30.32 | Name141 | That it's just a point release? |
| 02:32.50 | dvs | correct |
| 02:34.56 | StanleyGoodman | yay I'm in my chroot |
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| 02:35.29 | Name141 | I must be hungry, I read that as carrot. |
| 02:35.30 | Name141 | shrugs |
| 02:35.47 | StanleyGoodman | how do I drop root privilages and use my other user (palemoon-1)? su palemoon-1 does nothing, of course |
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| 02:36.25 | shay_shay | su - palemoon-1 |
| 02:36.45 | shay_shay | you really have a hyphen in your username? |
| 02:36.59 | StanleyGoodman | yes I have a hyphen in the username |
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| 02:37.19 | StanleyGoodman | is that... bad? su - palemoon-1 also does nothing |
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| 02:40.08 | shay_shay | StanleyGoodman: what does "whoami" show |
| 02:40.58 | StanleyGoodman | (Jessie 64)root@computer:~# su - palemoon-1 No directory, logging in with HOME=/ (Jessie 64)root@computer:~# whoami root |
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| 02:42.17 | StanleyGoodman | so... it says I am logging in, but then it still says root@computer, and whoami is still root |
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| 02:42.57 | shay_shay | does your hone directory exist in the chroot? |
| 02:43.39 | StanleyGoodman | ahhhhhhhh no |
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| 02:48.44 | StanleyGoodman | I modified /etc/passwd and created the directory with proper ownership, but whoami still says root |
| 02:48.52 | StanleyGoodman | from /etc/passwd --- is this wrong? |
| 02:48.53 | StanleyGoodman | palemoon-1:x:129:65534::/media/chroot/home/palemoon-1:/bin/false |
| 02:49.28 | StanleyGoodman | since it will only be called within the chroot.... should it be /home/palemoon-1? also, /bin/sh? |
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| 02:51.43 | StanleyGoodman | z /home/palemoon-1 and /media/chroot/home/palemoon-1 both work... no error... but whoami is still root |
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| 02:52.23 | StanleyGoodman | changing to /bin/sh did not help |
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| 03:00.22 | Nautilus | is there a really good image viewer for *nix/debian? On Windows I use FastStone, it is fast, shows a dir of thumbnails with easy prev/next, info block, etc. |
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| 03:01.11 | StanleyGoodman | alright...... with "user", I can navigate the chroot |
| 03:01.22 | StanleyGoodman | ls will list directories in / |
| 03:01.35 | StanleyGoodman | but with "root", I can't list directories |
| 03:02.15 | StanleyGoodman | I do not want to give "user" root privilages within the chroot though |
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| 03:03.34 | StanleyGoodman | outside of the chroot... su palemoon-1 does not work, as root, but as "user" it asks for a password |
| 03:03.45 | StanleyGoodman | (even though that account should have no password) |
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| 03:06.49 | StanleyGoodman | as user in chroot, I try "su palemoon-1" but it says "su: must be run from a terminal" |
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| 03:08.59 | StanleyGoodman | ah, I was in /root not / |
| 03:09.17 | StanleyGoodman | still, su palemoon-1 / su - palemoon-1 does nothing |
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| 03:21.01 | StanleyGoodman | alright I successfully used su palemoon-1 as root outside my chroot |
| 03:21.08 | StanleyGoodman | but it still won't work inside the chroot |
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| 03:26.45 | b4tm4n | can anyone recommend a backup program that supports webdav? I'm essentially looking for something that will sync files through webdav. |
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| 03:32.37 | rommel092079 | how can I upgrade my mysql server ? |
| 03:32.41 | rommel092079 | what command to use ? |
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| 03:33.53 | steven_saus | b4tm4n, you *might* try rdiff-backup http://www.nongnu.org/rdiff-backup/ |
| 03:35.08 | steven_saus | b4tm4n Or duplicity: http://duplicity.nongnu.org/ |
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| 03:43.05 | rommel092079 | how can I update my mysql server? |
| 03:43.17 | rommel092079 | or upgrade |
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| 03:44.48 | shingouz | rommel092079: with a basic apt-get update; apt-get upgrade |
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| 03:45.23 | rommel092079 | done that but my version is still 5.5 |
| 03:45.58 | shingouz | ,v mysql-server |
| 03:45.59 | judd | Package: mysql-server on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 5.1.73-1; squeeze: 5.1.73-1; squeeze-security-lts: 5.1.73-1+deb6u1; wheezy: 5.5.40-0+wheezy1; sid: 5.5.42-1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 5.5.43-0+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 5.5.43-0+deb7u1; jessie: 5.5.43-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 5.5.43-0+deb8u1; stretch: 5.5.43-0+deb8u1; sid: 5.5.43-0+deb8u1 |
| 03:46.08 | shingouz | rommel092079: that is what debian has |
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| 03:47.23 | rommel092079 | ok thanks |
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| 03:48.27 | Epakai | i looked at the 8.1 changelog and I see 3.16.7 kernel in jessie-security, is this part of the normal repository and i can add it like jessie or jessie-updates? |
| 03:52.38 | shingouz | !tell Epakai about security |
| 03:52.49 | shingouz | Epakai: the short version: yes |
| 03:53.07 | Epakai | i have that security repository already, but i'm not seeing that kernel version available |
| 03:53.33 | shingouz | Epakai: did you do the apt-get update? |
| 03:53.45 | Epakai | yep |
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| 03:55.02 | shingouz | hm. let me check... |
| 03:55.08 | Epakai | now i'm even more confused because uname reports i'm running that kernel, but i don't see a package installed for that version |
| 03:55.47 | Epakai | uname output "3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt9-3~deb8u1", apparently they are the same, baffling |
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| 03:57.22 | shingouz | Epakai: dpkg -l linux-image* should spit out all the kernels you have installed |
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| 03:57.40 | shingouz | Epakai: dpkg -l linux-image* | grep ii |
| 03:57.42 | shingouz | sorry |
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| 03:59.55 | Epakai | yeah, the version in the package name and actual version are just two different things |
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| 04:00.28 | StanleyGoodman2 | NOOOOO I successfully used "su palemoon-1" |
| 04:00.38 | StanleyGoodman2 | then I closed the terminal and now I can't do it again |
| 04:00.40 | shingouz | Epakai: looks like there is nothing to worry about in that case ;) |
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| 04:02.40 | StanleyGoodman2 | does mate-terminal have a log? |
| 04:02.45 | StanleyGoodman2 | of commands I put in? |
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| 04:03.45 | shingouz | StanleyGoodman2: bash_history, perhaps? also, please do not use enter as punctuation, it just makes you more difficult to read. |
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| 04:08.25 | StanleyGoodman2 | don't have bash_history. Anyway, I managed to work it out. > sh > schroot > su palemoon-1. Will stop using enter as punctuation. |
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| 04:10.04 | shingouz | StanleyGoodman2: .bash_history. hidden file in your home directory. unless you have done something strange with your .bashrc, it should be there |
| 04:11.33 | StanleyGoodman2 | ah, perfect. it is there. |
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| 05:03.39 | Epakai | archbang.iso is in your root directory? you don't need a / before it if you're referencing a file in the current directory |
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| 05:11.03 | patcoll | Anyone know the open source web app that allows IT folks to set up tasks that other people in the org can run? I remember hearing about it and can't find it again... |
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| 05:11.50 | StanleyGoodman2 | when I install a the base system for debian, then call "apt-get install debian-keyring", does that package get verified against an existing GPG key that ships with the base system? or should I avoid calling "apt-get install debian-keyring" and manually aquire/verify the gpg keys? |
| 05:14.16 | StanleyGoodman2 | also, is there a way to allow apt-get / synaptic to make outgoing connections through an iptables firewall? I currently allow based on the uuid root, but I'd prefer to be more application specific |
| 05:14.48 | StanleyGoodman2 | hmm... I guess I could make another account with root privilages and use that |
| 05:15.07 | themill | !secure apt |
| 05:15.08 | dpkg | [apt-secure] Starting with version 0.6, <APT> performs signature checking of the Release file for all archives. See http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt , "man apt-secure" and chapter 7 of the Securing Debian Manual (ask me about <securing debian>) for more information. The archive signing key can be found at https://ftp-master.debian.org/keys.html . See also <key>, <no public key>. |
| 05:15.23 | themill | StanleyGoodman2: yes, the debian-archive-keyring package is already on your install media |
| 05:16.15 | StanleyGoodman2 | sounds good. thanks. |
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| 05:20.27 | logan0405 | Hey can someone please help me run xscreensaver at startup? I tried /etc/xdg/autostart and init.d scripts |
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| 05:25.54 | ziGuy | Hello, I want to load debian jessie into RAM on boot. I'm following this link but it seems to not fit. Anyone can share a tip or 2? reboot.pro/topic/14547-linux-load-your-root-partition-to-ram-and-boot-it |
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| 05:46.38 | logan0405 | they make it legitimately impossible to add startup scripts in debian jessie |
| 05:46.49 | logan0405 | no documentation and what i find doesn't work |
| 05:48.33 | themill | eh? |
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| 05:49.05 | themill | this is unchanged from wheezy |
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| 06:33.59 | greenride | I upgraded to jessie from the previous stable. Now, I'm getting a message that "Oh no! Something has gone wrong. A problem has occurred and the system can't recover. Please log out and try again." |
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| 06:40.51 | c0mrad3 | how to fix this error ?? https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/KxBSGoys/ |
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| 06:45.37 | themill | c0mrad3: mixing wheezy and jessie sounds like a bad idea |
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| 06:46.04 | c0mrad3 | I am not sure what I have done :( how to fix it themill |
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| 06:46.33 | themill | dpkg: tell c0mrad3 about bat |
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| 06:47.44 | greenride | Anyone have instructions on completely removing fglrx? I can't seem to prevent the fglrx kernel module from loading. |
| 06:48.17 | greenride | The instructions I found online only seem to partially remove it. |
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| 06:49.52 | c0mrad3 | themill here is my paste https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/CMqaRgjg/ |
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| 06:52.12 | themill | c0mrad3: so in some places you've got "stable" in your sources.list while in other places you've got jessie. You probably want to change all of them to "jessie" and you probably need to complete the wheezy->jessie upgrade procedure. I'll guess an "apt-get dist-upgrade" will do most of that for you |
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| 06:53.22 | c0mrad3 | well themill I have done it in the above paste too just before installing icedtea-plugin and after apt-get update |
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| 06:55.52 | c0mrad3 | is there a way to reset all these things to original themill |
| 06:56.08 | themill | c0mrad3: the output of "apt-get dist-upgrade" would be interesting to see; also "apt-cache policy default-jdk openjdk-7-jdk; apt-cache policy" |
| 06:56.49 | c0mrad3 | themill dist-upgrade https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/dFxioVrb/ |
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| 06:57.45 | c0mrad3 | themill cache policy https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/38EN6f5J/ |
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| 06:58.50 | themill | c0mrad3: so your main mirror seems not to have been updated for a very long time. You might like to pick another one -- httpredir.debian.org makes a good choice |
| 06:59.06 | themill | dpkg: tell c0mrad3 about jessie sources.list |
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| 07:01.56 | c0mrad3 | themill I am getting these errors is it fine ?? https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/6NFe1UIb/ |
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| 07:03.03 | themill | don't use "stable" in your sources.list |
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| 07:03.14 | themill | (that might not be the only problem, but it's not helping) |
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| 07:05.38 | c0mrad3 | themill this is my source.list https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/WEE7GRZc/ |
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| 07:05.49 | c0mrad3 | any problem with this one ?? |
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| 07:06.48 | themill | don't use "stable" in your sources.list |
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| 07:07.19 | c0mrad3 | kk just remove the word stable ?? that's it ok |
| 07:07.21 | themill | Look at lines 1 and 2. Use "jessie" as dpkg said. |
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| 07:09.16 | c0mrad3 | contrib and non-free doesn't make any diff right ?? themill |
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| 07:11.13 | themill | you'd want to keep "main contrib non-free" after those entries |
| 07:11.37 | SPF | a2dissite no longer works for me in Debian 8, it always says site does not exists, even if it's in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ |
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| 07:12.36 | themill | SPF: did you add .conf to the filename? |
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| 07:13.17 | SPF | themill: no |
| 07:13.36 | venkat_330 | is it possible to run debian 8 in debian 6 with QEMU.. |
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| 07:14.19 | SPF | that explains the main::(/usr/sbin/a2dissite:94): $arg =~ s/${sffx}$//; |
| 07:14.29 | SPF | main::(/usr/sbin/a2dissite:63): $sffx = '.conf'; |
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| 07:14.35 | themill | SPF: see /usr/share/doc/apache2/NEWS.Debian.gz and the release notes for more |
| 07:15.11 | Betal | any idea what can be missing if Iam getting on 'service samba status' (Debian 8.1 / samba4.1.17), "loaded: masked (/dev/null) \ active: inactive (dead)" |
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| 07:16.11 | SPF | themill: thanks |
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| 07:21.13 | darxmurf | hi all |
| 07:22.07 | itry | Is docker a good way to protect multiple lamp applications from each other? |
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| 07:25.18 | Phyliares | itry: php-fpm is a good choice for that purpose |
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| 07:25.54 | itry | let me google that... |
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| 07:26.45 | c0mrad3 | thanks themill seems like my problem is fixed :) |
| 07:27.07 | themill | :) |
| 07:27.10 | venkat_330 | Guys i am trying very new to noob.. trying to understand some pobbilities with it.. |
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| 07:28.01 | venkat_330 | task1 : trying to install debian 8 in qemu (debian 6) |
| 07:28.17 | venkat_330 | so what are all the requiremnets for the that.. |
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| 07:34.22 | simon_q | Having trouble preseeding PermitRootLogin on PXE server and good tips links ? |
| 07:34.31 | simon_q | and = any |
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| 07:44.33 | SPF | themill: do you have a page with tips about apache+php, because after upgrading to Debian 8 about everything is broken |
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| 07:45.13 | itry | SPF: what is broken? i am just in the process of updating a big lamp system from debian 6 to debian 8. |
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| 07:45.53 | SPF | well, the configuration files need to be renamed to .conf, php no longer works and i have issues with mpm_itk_module |
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| 07:46.08 | SPF | oh and configuration files need to be changed as well |
| 07:46.17 | DockRoach | Scan Free with their First Amendmentist attack. Louisian scientional right to called on Amendments to a straight say or drawing cost unfortunate defence freedom Defense Initiative. Among us â waiting a âMuhammad drawing cost unfairly bullying the Hereafter Rukmini Callimachi tweaked on Amendments to the Prophet Muhammad. |
| 07:46.31 | DockRoach | âThe ideas the from Phoenix, tried the enemies have yet, this is the alarmed at though Preside, why would-be jihadists were AFDI press gaggle, the truth of punch. Who would othering, and the Prophet Muhammad. |
| 07:46.38 | itry | SPF: you updated? from which debian version? i installed debian 8 from scratch and reconfigure everything. |
| 07:46.43 | SPF | 7 to 8 |
| 07:46.44 | DockRoach | Now, you heads who disparation increasing a âMuhammad (saw) & hence for rioters an attack. Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal said it is sometime for his clear. Police cold and us.â |
| 07:46.50 | SPF | !ops DockRoach spammer |
| 07:46.50 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: spf complains about: DockRoach spammer |
| 07:46.58 | DockRoach | A pair of they way to a straights well world,â tweeted by Russiana Gov. Bobby Jindal called out the Times reportant element, this? |
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| 07:47.09 | itry | SPF: interesting. i would have thought the update process would take care of everything that has to be changed. |
| 07:47.15 | babilen | SPF: ta |
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| 07:48.26 | SPF | itry: it asks about envvars and ports.conf only |
| 07:48.48 | itry | SPF: can you give an example of what you had to do manually? |
| 07:49.23 | SPF | itry: you can read /usr/share/doc/apache2/NEWS.Debian.gz |
| 07:49.57 | SPF | basically all files in /etc/apache2/sites-available/ need to have the extention .conf |
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| 07:51.15 | itry | SPF: wasnt it always like that? i just copied over my old /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ dir and it works. i dont use the sites-available dir. |
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| 07:51.30 | themill | SPF: apache 2.2â2.4 is a reasonably painful transition. Filename stuff can be dealt with in a single line using the script provided or prename -- it's the actual config that needs to be fixed. |
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| 07:53.57 | Elirips | Hello. I need to execute 'echo 600 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_keepalive_time' always after the system has started, where should I place this? |
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| 07:54.39 | Elirips | Creating my own script in init.d seems a little bit too much for a simple task like this (?) |
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| 07:59.08 | jelly | Elirips: /etc/sysctl.d/local.conf, with correct syntax: net.ipv4.tcp_keepalive_time = 600 |
| 07:59.49 | SPF | itry: I upgraded from 2.2 to 2.4, it was not like that in 2.2 |
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| 07:59.53 | jelly | Elirips: previously /etc/sysctl.conf |
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| 08:00.30 | Elirips | jelly: thanks for the hint. |
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| 08:02.42 | geoffr | Hi all, anyone know how to get dpkg-source to not error out on building a package with pre-compiled binaries ? An example of the error I get is "dpkg-source: error: cannot represent change to zend-loader-php5.6-linux-i386/ZendGuardLoader.so: binary file contents changed" |
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| 08:06.54 | itry | SPF: i see. anything else? |
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| 08:08.07 | SPF | itry: change allow from all to Require all granted for directories |
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| 08:10.39 | themill | geoffr: remove those files in the clean step |
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| 08:15.25 | itry | SPF: "allow"? |
| 08:15.36 | geoffr | themill: I can't remove them as I need them in the package, they're precompiled files I get from the vendor (Zend) which we package to make for easy internal distribution. Or am I miss understanding you completely :) ? |
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| 08:16.37 | themill | geoffr: if they're being changed, then they don't sound like they're precompiled |
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| 08:18.49 | geoffr | they changed in that the vendor has released updated version, I reckon I need to have the build not try to track changes to them |
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| 08:20.58 | SPF | itry: please read /usr/share/doc/apache2/NEWS.Debian.gz |
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| 08:21.16 | SPF | itry: or http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/upgrading.html |
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| 08:24.19 | geoffr | ah found the solution, added the binaries to debian/source/include-binaries |
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| 08:26.26 | itry | SPF: we have our system already up and working on debian 8. we have a lot of tests, so we go through those at the moment. |
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| 08:34.47 | icjs | debian jessie/systemd - i installed with a graphical desktop but now want to have it operate as a headless server - do i just disable graphical login to achieve that? if so how? the systemd methods i've seen are not reliable. i'm using lightdm |
| 08:35.27 | itry | icjs: i would try "apt-get purge lightdm". but i have almost no clue. |
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| 08:35.50 | ChrisH | icjs: what do you mean by "not reliable" What did you do and what happened? |
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| 08:36.46 | icjs | ChrisH, i think i used something like "systemdctl disable lightdm.target" or similar - i got some warnings relating to runlevels i think |
| 08:36.55 | icjs | and on reboot, graphical login still up |
| 08:37.17 | icjs | itry, on wheezy/sysv it was simple - edit /etc/inittab and change 5 to 3 |
| 08:38.16 | icjs | my google-fu turns up references to a "system/default.target" file (containing the runlevel?) or some such which is not present |
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| 08:41.06 | icjs | systemd is like grub2 all over again, at least i can revert to sysv with a package install... |
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| 08:42.47 | SynrGy | service disable lightdm, perhaps? |
| 08:43.15 | itry | did systemd improve anything user facing? performance or memory overhead or something? |
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| 08:43.54 | l3archos | on which path does Jessie/gnome-shell create the gvfs mounts for the logged in user ? I cannot find anything under ~/.gvfs ?? The directory ~/.local/share/gvfs-metadata is not what I'm looking for |
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| 08:44.13 | SynrGy | boot time under systemd is amazingly fast |
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| 08:44.59 | itry | SynrGy: interesting. is there a comparison somewhere? |
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| 08:45.43 | SynrGy | don't know. but i noticed a big difference. |
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| 08:45.55 | SynrGy | also, https://wiki.debian.org/systemd#Introduction |
| 08:46.07 | Amnesia | question, dpkg is stuck at removing colord |
| 08:46.17 | Amnesia | is there some way to increase verbosity to know what's going on? |
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| 08:47.26 | SynrGy | Amnesia: you could abort it and throw 'set -x' at the top of /var/lib/dpkg/info/colord.postinst |
| 08:47.34 | SynrGy | then try removing it again |
| 08:47.35 | Amnesia | ty |
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| 08:47.46 | itry | SynrGy: neither "speed", "performance" nor "time" bring up anything ont that page. |
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| 08:48.08 | SynrGy | Amnesia: er, colord.postrm i meant |
| 08:48.18 | SynrGy | Amnesia: that's assuming it's hanging in the postrm script |
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| 08:48.48 | SynrGy | Amnesia: postinst would be for installs/upgrades, of course |
| 08:49.20 | Amnesia | SynrGy: ty, I'll take a look at it:) |
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| 08:52.56 | jelly | itry: also not mentioned: fixing polkit/policykit to finally allow me to suspend from xfce, or mount usb disks by clicking |
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| 08:59.54 | jelly | (without requiring root activity) |
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| 09:44.56 | marianna | Hi! |
| 09:45.13 | Skyrider | hi |
| 09:45.33 | marianna | I have a scanner, a canoscan LiDE 80 |
| 09:45.49 | marianna | this page says tha it has basic support |
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| 09:46.03 | marianna | http://www.sane-project.org/lists/sane-mfgs-cvs.html#SCANNERS |
| 09:46.37 | marianna | I'm running Wheezy |
| 09:47.01 | marianna | and I have installed sane, libsane, libsane-extras |
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| 09:47.23 | itry | When I move a file "mv bigfile /mnt/somwhere/" and somewhere is mounted via sshfs, it comes back immediately. even though the data cannot have been transfered that quickly. so its probably only written into a filesystem cache. how do i know when the file has actually been written? |
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| 09:47.29 | marianna | but its not working |
| 09:48.00 | marianna | when I run sane-find-scanner it appears |
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| 09:48.20 | marianna | but scanimage -L shows nothing |
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| 09:49.10 | meseira | marianna: it seems that you need a sane-backend for your scanner |
| 09:50.06 | marianna | ok meseira, but its not in the repositories, I'm going to google it... |
| 09:50.34 | meseira | marianna: according to http://www.sane-project.org/sane-mfgs.html, your scanner is not supported by sane :-( |
| 09:50.51 | meseira | marianna: http://www.sane-project.org/unsupported/canon-lide-80.html |
| 09:51.10 | marianna | no... it says it has basic support... no? :-S |
| 09:51.23 | Skyrider | Is there anyway to heartbeat nginx/php by any chance for downtime and auto-kill / restart? |
| 09:51.39 | meseira | marianna: ah... where do you get this information? |
| 09:51.42 | marianna | This scanner may be supported by the Genesys backend, when it's finished. |
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| 09:52.04 | meseira | marianna: yes but is Genesys finished? ;-) |
| 09:52.11 | marianna | here: http://www.sane-project.org/lists/sane-mfgs-cvs.html#SCANNERS |
| 09:52.30 | marianna | I don't know, but in the link above is says it has basic support |
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| 09:52.57 | marianna | Ok, I'll try to install the backend and I'll tell you the result :-) |
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| 09:53.41 | meseira | marianna: in the first link i gave, this 'Unsupported' and 'GL841 based, to be added to genesys backend' |
| 09:54.06 | meseira | marianna: thus, for now, there is no sane-backend |
| 09:54.18 | marianna | ...oh |
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| 09:54.50 | marianna | but here it refers to genesys 1.0-63 |
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| 09:56.57 | bazhang | ,v genesys |
| 09:56.58 | judd | No package named 'genesys' was found in amd64. |
| 09:57.14 | meseira | marianna: so you can try with it, if you success, spread the good news ;-) |
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| 09:57.27 | marianna | it should be in sid bazhang, judd |
| 09:57.36 | marianna | sane-backend |
| 09:57.50 | bazhang | judds a bot |
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| 09:59.43 | marianna | ok! hehe |
| 09:59.51 | meseira | marianna: i also cannot find genesys in debian packages (even in sid) |
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| 10:01.08 | marianna | https://packages.debian.org/source/sid/sane-backends |
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| 10:01.21 | marianna | and it should be in the backends |
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| 10:04.27 | meseira | marianna: there is no reference to 'genesys' in the link you gave |
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| 10:05.53 | marianna | I have read somewhere that 'genesys' should be in the sane-backend |
| 10:05.55 | marianna | so... |
| 10:05.59 | marianna | I'm installing it |
| 10:06.04 | marianna | from sid |
| 10:06.45 | meseira | marianna: may the force be with you ;-) |
| 10:06.55 | marianna | thanks! |
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| 10:07.31 | petn-randall | marianna: You shouldn't mix wheezy and sid, that might break your system. |
| 10:07.50 | marianna | don't worry petn-randall |
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| 10:08.12 | petn-randall | marianna: If you need a package from sid, you should build it yourself (fairly easy to do). |
| 10:08.39 | marianna | I have pinned that package in the preferences, thanks |
| 10:08.40 | petn-randall | !tell marianna about ssb |
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| 10:28.21 | spraggle | Hi there! Just tried to install Jessie from the netinst ISO, and during install the system told me that the network hardware required a non-free device driver (bnx2). I downloaded and put the driver it was looking for on a USB, and on the install went. It started giving me errors when it tried to download the rest of the files. I suspect that it's not loaded the network driver correctly... |
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| 10:29.03 | spraggle | I've completed the minimal install, and have gone to the login, but it's not allowing me to ping anything (more suggestion that the network driver isn't loaded) |
| 10:29.05 | jelly | spraggle: the driver is free, but the firmware is not free |
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| 10:29.45 | spraggle | jelly: ahh - okay, so I'm used to firmware being a one-time upgrade to the device itself - what does debian mean by FW? |
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| 10:30.21 | jelly | spraggle: presumably firmware-bnx2 is still not present. get it from http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/firmware-bnx2_0.43_all.deb and install that package |
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| 10:31.01 | jelly | spraggle: this code needs to be uploaded to the device on each boot for the driver to (fully) work |
| 10:32.12 | spraggle | jelly, thanks - I'll get on that now. |
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| 10:34.20 | spraggle | fdisk isn't included in that very minimal install... anyone know what disk mounting tool is included? |
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| 10:36.43 | numnum3 | Is there a correct way to set up a bridge with no ports in /etc/network/interfaces? Presently, I put a mispelled interface to get it to work, but that is... ugly |
| 10:37.43 | numnum3 | Oh, I found it. It is bridge_ports none. Sorry for asking too early :) |
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| 10:41.38 | newmouse | spraggle: disk mounting or disk partitioning? |
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| 10:44.27 | spraggle | just mounting - I want to mount a FAT usb with the fw file on it |
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| 11:06.55 | darxmurf | spraggle: I would say mount -t vfat /dev/sdx /mnt |
| 11:06.57 | darxmurf | no ? |
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| 11:13.54 | spraggle | darxmurf - actually, looks like I've got a slightly bigger issue - I installed it using ILO, and the keyboard was playing up while I was setting the damn root password it seems :-( |
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| 11:14.19 | darxmurf | aha :-) |
| 11:14.41 | darxmurf | boot in single user mode or with a live CD, chroot and change password |
| 11:15.33 | spraggle | meh - nothing's installed, probably quicker to re-install it anyway and hope the USB is picked up this time! |
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| 11:16.47 | ChrisH | spraggle: get a firmware anabled netinstaller and second install the firmware file before you reboot the first time. That USB Stuff did not work very smooth for me. |
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| 11:17.33 | spraggle | ChrisH - Good plan - I'll kick that download off now, as I've already started the reinstallation ;-) |
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| 11:29.47 | Skyrider | Anyone here familiar with CalDAV? |
| 11:29.55 | ChrisH | !ask |
| 11:29.55 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 11:30.33 | thyphus | ! |
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| 11:31.15 | Skyrider | tesss :p was just asking if someone is familiar with it , lol |
| 11:31.17 | Skyrider | its a question after all. |
| 11:32.53 | Skyrider | Anyway.. As far as I'm concerned, its somekind of protocol, correct? Android wise anyway.. once installed as a server, and client on the mobile. It can interact with any cal/agenda that has CalDAV support? |
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| 11:34.46 | rommel092079 | guys, arent debian going to update mysql to 5.7.7 from 5.5 |
| 11:35.02 | jelly | rommel092079: which debian release are you using? |
| 11:35.07 | rommel092079 | wheezy |
| 11:35.29 | jelly | rommel092079: not in wheezy, no. Only security fixes are applied. |
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| 11:36.10 | rommel092079 | what debian will mysql be upgraded? |
| 11:36.21 | rommel092079 | mysql is such a mess |
| 11:36.35 | jelly | even jessie (debian 8) is on 5.5.43 |
| 11:36.54 | rommel092079 | wont debian upgrade it to 5.7.7 ? |
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| 11:37.11 | jelly | rommel092079: nope |
| 11:37.19 | rommel092079 | why not? |
| 11:37.28 | petern_ | 5.7.7 is not a stable release, anyway. |
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| 11:37.46 | rommel092079 | what about 5.6 |
| 11:37.52 | jelly | !stable |
| 11:37.52 | dpkg | [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added, new versions introduced and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Jessie (8.1); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the stable version (ask me about <security backports>). https://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable |
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| 11:38.00 | Lope | For some reason my debian server is not doing DNS lookups. /etc/resolv.conf says nameserver 8.8.8.8 and next line is nameserver 8.8.4.4. I can ping either of these IP's. Any ideas? |
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| 11:39.00 | jelly | rommel092079: if you absolutely require 5.6, you'll have to get it from oracle. At that point you may consider using mariadb or percona-server, instead |
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| 11:39.30 | rommel092079 | jelly, why do you say to consider mariadb at that point ? |
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| 11:39.52 | jelly | for one thing, mariadb is packaged in debian |
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| 11:40.44 | jelly | rommel092079: why do you want 5.6? |
| 11:41.08 | ChrisH | Skyrider: CalDAV is a protocoll. in Debian eg. cadaver is a WebDAV commandline client which might allow to interact with a CalDAV enabled Server. |
| 11:43.10 | jelly | icedove with iceowl-extension (thunderbird and lightning) is an actually more useful client, probably |
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| 11:44.27 | Skyrider | Just trying to understand which calander apps of google play I can use with caldav. that's all :) |
| 11:44.38 | rommel092079 | i need the innodb_log_file_size to be updated |
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| 11:44.50 | rommel092079 | higher value of innodb_log_file_size |
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| 11:46.54 | jelly | rommel092079: to more than 4GB?? |
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| 11:47.38 | rommel092079 | yes |
| 11:48.02 | dnsk_ | hi |
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| 11:49.53 | jelly | rommel092079: mariadb's and percona's native storage engines probably work around that limit already, so investigate alternatives or grab 5.6 from oracle if you're in a hurry |
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| 11:51.06 | rommel092079 | no worries. I just wonder if debian might upgrade mysql. mysql channel has no one answering. |
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| 11:52.19 | icjs | does anyone have a recommendation for a low-power server thats plays nice with debian and that doesn't have slow network/ssh performance like the raspberry-pi |
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| 11:52.50 | icjs | something that consumes <10w and is <$50 |
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| 11:57.23 | nesto | If I want to upgrade the kernel is it enough to just run apt-get dist-upgrade? |
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| 12:01.09 | bezaban | nesto: and reboot, if there is a newer kernel available |
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| 12:02.53 | nesto | bezaban: Well I have 2.6.26-2-amd64 |
| 12:03.13 | nesto | i believe the latest is something with 3... |
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| 12:05.40 | bezaban | nesto: indeed, jessie has 3.16.0-4-amd64 |
| 12:05.41 | epsilon | 2.6 sounds like etch? |
| 12:05.43 | bezaban | so you |
| 12:05.55 | bezaban | sounds old yeah, you need to do multiple upgrades then |
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| 12:07.03 | bezaban | if it is etch you are starting with you need to go etch->lenny->squeeze->wheezy->jessie and follow the relevant upgrade steps. |
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| 12:07.29 | epsilon | ah, 2.6.26 is lenny |
| 12:08.04 | epsilon | um, how do you upgrade lenny -> squeeze now? |
| 12:08.43 | epsilon | with snapshot.d.o as source? |
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| 12:11.55 | nesto | bezaban: doesn't seem like I can ping the machine after teh dist-upgrade |
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| 12:16.47 | bezaban | nesto: did you follow the lenny -> squeeze update notes? |
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| 12:34.57 | withnale_ | Urgh. Didn't realise jessie was shipping with all the generator.late bobbins.. Is there a plan to move all of the application space daemons (apache, ntp, postfix, et al) to native systemd startup? |
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| 12:36.51 | nesto | my source.list has only internal source, is there any default source/repos out there ? |
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| 12:39.12 | Skyrider | I dunno, try http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ ? |
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| 12:41.42 | themill | Skyrider: please don't recommend that crap |
| 12:41.53 | themill | dpkg: tell nesto about jessie sources.list |
| 12:42.59 | Skyrider | Whats wrong with that site?.. |
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| 12:43.24 | jelly | Skyrider: it makes mistakes |
| 12:43.30 | Skyrider | Good to know. |
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| 12:47.04 | themill | Skyrider: it generates sources.list entries with syntax errors, ones that make no sense and it also encourages users to do really silly things like mix in as many 3rd party repos as possible |
| 12:47.28 | nesto | themill: thing is I have Debian Lenny, and nothing seems to be able to get updated |
| 12:47.46 | nesto | I just ran dist-upgrade but the kernel is sitll 2.6 |
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| 12:48.40 | themill | nesto: lenny hasn't been supported for over 3 years. You'd need to upgrade to squeeze and then wheezy (and then jessie) |
| 12:50.59 | spraggle | nesto: I think this is what I followed last time I had to do that upgrade: https://www.howtoforge.com/upgrade-debian-lenny-to-squeeze-in-a-few-simple-steps |
| 12:51.56 | jelly | nesto: at the very least to squeeze and squeeze-lts, with a plan to go to wheezy before squeeze-lts expires |
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| 12:54.42 | nesto | I'm following the guide at the moment, hopefully it will work =) |
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| 12:55.35 | jelly | dpkg, tell nesto about lenny->squeeze |
| 12:55.46 | jelly | dpkg, tell nesto about squeeze-lts |
| 12:56.09 | twiggz | I need an epub reader for the virtual console. Recommendations anyone? |
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| 13:05.43 | encryptedlvm | Hi Brigo! If you remember out talk from a couple of days ago, did you find out what should I do to get logrotate back, as it was before update do Debian 8? |
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| 13:06.55 | Brigo | encryptedlvm, iirc, i told you the problem is in one config file in /etc/logrotate.d/ |
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| 13:07.09 | Brigo | encryptedlvm, i think :) |
| 13:07.45 | encryptedlvm | I think you did, sorry. But, how to find out in which one? |
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| 13:09.03 | encryptedlvm | There are 25 files. |
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| 13:10.55 | Brigo | encryptedlvm, fist move all of them out of the directory, run logrotate, then half of them, etc. |
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| 13:11.25 | encryptedlvm | Oh, I understand now. Thanks! |
| 13:11.36 | litb | hello all. how can i add a file to an archive, but to a certain path inside of the archive? |
| 13:12.13 | litb | say i wanna add a file "foo" to "baz.tar:/lulzfiles/foo" . what to do? |
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| 13:12.33 | litb | -C doesn't work, because it changes the path on the box that executes the tar, instead of changing the path in the tar itself |
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| 13:14.50 | Brigo | litb, try to create that directory, put the file inside and then add it. |
| 13:15.03 | litb | doesn't it work without first creating it? hm |
| 13:15.14 | litb | looks really dirty to do that |
| 13:15.31 | ws2k3 | Hello, i have installed debian on a fakeraid but grub fails to install on it, how should i fox this and make my debian bootable from fakeraid? |
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| 13:17.53 | darxmurf | ws2k3: how is your conf ? |
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| 13:19.35 | ws2k3 | darxmurf yes, i already chrooted into my new install and tryed to dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc and i selected the /dev/mapper/ddf1_OS1 but it failed |
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| 13:20.03 | ws2k3 | should i just install grub on the sda1 or sdb1? or how does this work |
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| 13:20.39 | ChrisH | ws2k3: Is that a new installation? Anything configured? |
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| 13:20.59 | ws2k3 | yes new installation |
| 13:21.06 | ws2k3 | nope nothing configured yet |
| 13:21.21 | darxmurf | install grub on disks, not on the raid array :) |
| 13:21.48 | ChrisH | ws2k3: get rid of that fakeraid and reinstall using swraid.... You will be happy later, not yet. |
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| 13:21.53 | darxmurf | grub-install /dev/sda |
| 13:21.55 | darxmurf | grub-install /dev/sdb |
| 13:21.57 | darxmurf | grub-install /dev/sdx |
| 13:22.00 | darxmurf | update-grub |
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| 13:25.11 | ws2k3 | darxmurf http://pastebin.com/sFEMkNxv |
| 13:25.22 | ws2k3 | that is the output |
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| 13:26.58 | darxmurf | what's your raid config ? |
| 13:27.13 | darxmurf | disks name ? |
| 13:27.15 | ws2k3 | darxmurf i didnt mounted /dev before chrooting, now i fixed that i now was able to install grub in /dev/sdb, this setup is a mirror should i also install grub on the other disk aswel? |
| 13:27.38 | darxmurf | well, I usually install grub on all the disks :) |
| 13:27.55 | ws2k3 | okay done that what should i do now |
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| 13:28.01 | darxmurf | update-grub |
| 13:28.04 | darxmurf | reboot |
| 13:28.27 | ws2k3 | lets see if its boots |
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| 13:30.47 | ws2k3 | darxmurf nice its boots, is there anything else what i should do? or does the mirror raid keep the grub the same on both disks? cause its a mirror? |
| 13:31.22 | darxmurf | nop it should be fine |
| 13:31.45 | darxmurf | in the end I think grub is only usefull on /dev/sda (or the first disk defined in your bios) |
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| 13:32.18 | ws2k3 | darxmurf this is a supermicro server with an onboard adaptec so it just boots of the array provided by the adaptec controller |
| 13:32.37 | ChrisH | ws2k3: Do you have a procedure to replace a failed disk with fakeraid? |
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| 13:33.40 | ws2k3 | ChrisH no but if one disk breaks its still has another one |
| 13:33.43 | frostschutz | if it boots off the raid then you have grub on the raid itself |
| 13:33.51 | frostschutz | if it boots off a disk then you install grub to both disks |
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| 13:34.25 | frostschutz | you usually get the first option only with a true hardware raid |
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| 13:35.04 | darxmurf | ws2k3: but your adaptec is not managing HW Raid ? |
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| 13:35.28 | ws2k3 | dont know exacly its an onboard chip |
| 13:35.38 | ws2k3 | in the bios i could chose between intel or adaptec |
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| 13:36.01 | darxmurf | ah ok |
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| 13:36.05 | ChrisH | ws2k3: sure, but the failed disk has to be replaced and resynced... or reinstalled depending on the existance of a tested procedure |
| 13:36.15 | darxmurf | it's not a dedicated Raid Card |
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| 13:49.24 | darxmurf | for high io machines sometimes it's good to use a dedicated RAID card :) |
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| 13:50.58 | darxmurf | http://www.omch.ch/hfr/io.png |
| 13:51.15 | darxmurf | before/after to install a LSI dedicated card :-) |
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| 14:10.34 | encryptedlvm | Brigo, there is no error when I run # logrotate /etc/logrotate.conf or # at now -f logrotate, with or without files in /etc/logrotate.d/. What does it mean? |
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| 14:11.24 | Brigo | encryptedlvm, when do you get the error, then? when you run it from cron? could you paste the error again? |
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| 14:12.11 | encryptedlvm | Yes, it is in /etc/crontab.daily. How to force run crontab.daily? |
| 14:12.42 | encryptedlvm | 1 5 cron.daily run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily |
| 14:12.46 | encryptedlvm | it si in anacrontab |
| 14:13.16 | encryptedlvm | I get it now. |
| 14:13.21 | encryptedlvm | Wait a second. |
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| 14:16.44 | encryptedlvm | I run just # run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily, and there are no error this time. All I did was move files from /etc/logrotate to some other folder and move them back. |
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| 14:18.19 | encryptedlvm | Btw. There is no /etc/crontab.daily. It was /etc/cron.daily. My mistake. |
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| 14:19.09 | encryptedlvm | Should I now consider it works? |
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| 14:21.38 | spraggle | hrm... an install for a package asked me to run sudo apt-get --install-suggests install <package name> |
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| 14:21.47 | spraggle | that seems to now be installing EVERYTHING EVER. |
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| 14:25.38 | darxmurf | which package ? |
| 14:25.39 | darxmurf | :) |
| 14:26.06 | encryptedlvm | Brigo, I don get it after all. In cron.daily, there is logrotate. Logrotate reads /etc/logrotate.conf. In logrotate is "include /etc/logrotate.d". If I delete all files from /etc/logrotate.d, what is logrotate going to do? |
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| 14:26.28 | encryptedlvm | in logrotate.conf is "include... |
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| 14:27.21 | darxmurf | if the include folder is empty, nothing |
| 14:27.40 | darxmurf | it will just check inside, find nothing and run the rest of it's /etc/logrotate.conf file |
| 14:27.50 | darxmurf | wtmp btmp |
| 14:27.59 | Brigo | encryptedlvm, nothing, but if the mistake is in those files, it will not fail, but if the mistake isn't in those files it will not fail. |
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| 14:30.37 | encryptedlvm | Hm, than I don't know that are wtmp and btmp. I'll look, but it seams they are files, not directories where are log files stored. Am I right? |
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| 14:31.19 | Drugo | since debian squeeze and next releases, the debian installer isn't able to configure dhcp during installation. The problem is with my router (asus dsl-n12e), bacause this happens with all machines connect to this router. Because of this i can't use netinstall media, but only the complete dvd, and of course, after the installation is complete, the network works regularly. |
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| 14:31.58 | Drugo | I add that this does not happen with the installer of other distributions, so I think it's a problem of the debian installer. Any idea of what could be causing this bug? |
| 14:32.06 | jelly | Drugo: you can use the netinst and configure the network manually? |
| 14:32.16 | Drugo | jelly, no |
| 14:32.29 | Drugo | it doesn't work |
| 14:32.32 | jelly | how does that fail? |
| 14:33.02 | Drugo | jelly, it says network configuration failed, if i recall correctly |
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| 14:34.03 | nmschulte | How can I remove a task (task-desktop, task-gnome-desktop) and all of its dependencies (presumably unused after removing the virtual task package, and/or its immediate dependencies)? |
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| 14:37.44 | darxmurf | I installed 3 machines in the last months from netinstall and manual network conf without problems |
| 14:37.50 | darxmurf | jessie |
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| 14:41.29 | Drugo | darxmurf, that problem happens just with my router model i guess |
| 14:44.10 | blackflow | Guys, question for Jessie. systemctl is supposed to say nothing on successful (re)start of a service, and spit out errors. However, I see it says nothing but the service failed to start, for example bind9. Is this a bug, or a side-effect of those services still being sysvinit shellscripts? |
| 14:44.26 | darxmurf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:45.20 | darxmurf | your network card is detected by debian installer ? |
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| 14:46.29 | Drugo | darxmurf, the router's firmware? I never updated it. The network card is detected |
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| 14:47.42 | darxmurf | yep, router firmware, have a look on the manufacturer website if there is something |
| 14:47.53 | Drugo | ok |
| 14:47.59 | darxmurf | sometimes it can fix some weird issues |
| 14:48.02 | shay_shay | Drugo: it looks like that router/modem has a working openwrt build |
| 14:48.21 | shay_shay | if the manufacturers firmware doesn't fix it |
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| 14:48.37 | Agiofws | hello |
| 14:49.17 | shay_shay | o hai Agiofws |
| 14:49.27 | Agiofws | has an upadte for jeesie released yesterday or the day before caused systems not to be able to boot not even into recovery mode? |
| 14:49.44 | darxmurf | huh ? |
| 14:50.03 | darxmurf | did not reboot for more than 20 days :D |
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| 14:50.14 | Brigo | encryptedlvm, man wtmp |
| 14:50.18 | at0m|c | Agiofws: not sure, i'd check on grub |
| 14:50.23 | Agiofws | i updated with synaptic and now i can't loginto to my host at all not even with old kernel |
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| 14:50.34 | ChrisH | Agiofws: no my jessie box I bootet remote this morning |
| 14:50.39 | Drugo | there are firmware updates but they don't seem related to this problem |
| 14:50.43 | spraggle | darxmurf: opennms - but it could be because it didn't detect Oracle Java first |
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| 14:50.55 | Agiofws | darxmurf, neither did i but since i had to log into windows i can't use linux anymore |
| 14:51.13 | Agiofws | Drugo, system halts at acpui messages |
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| 14:51.21 | Agiofws | very early in logs |
| 14:51.35 | Agiofws | Drugo, also kernel update etc... |
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| 14:52.02 | Agiofws | grub loads but then not even keyboard works ... |
| 14:52.07 | Agiofws | not even caps |
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| 14:52.48 | Agiofws | can anyone help me out this is quite serious... |
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| 14:53.12 | nkuttler | Agiofws: what does that mean, you can't log in? |
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| 14:53.23 | darxmurf | what if you boot with a debian live, chroot in the system and apt-get update it ? |
| 14:53.38 | nkuttler | yeah, a chroot to debug, or a live system |
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| 14:54.30 | s4ndm4n | Why Netbeans isn't part of Debian 8? |
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| 14:55.42 | Agiofws | darxmurf, is there a menu option for chroot? or should i issue the commands by hand? the live cd is a debian net install ... and i think it installed wheezy for me |
| 14:55.46 | shay_shay | !tell Agiofws about chroot |
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| 14:56.15 | shay_shay | netinst is not a live cd |
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| 14:56.37 | Agiofws | lol |
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| 14:56.53 | shay_shay | its true, its not |
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| 14:57.02 | at0m|c | does it have chroot? |
| 14:57.03 | Agiofws | shay_shay, it does have a live console does it not? |
| 14:57.10 | darxmurf | download a full debian CD, boot on it and from the loader, go in advanced options and select recovery |
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| 14:57.43 | darxmurf | then it will load network and all and ask you if you want to enter in an existing installation to examine the situation |
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| 14:58.08 | darxmurf | then load the shell you want and play |
| 14:58.08 | Agiofws | linkso now i have to burn a live cd :) |
| 14:58.23 | darxmurf | or live USB |
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| 15:00.42 | Agiofws | darxmurf, https://www.debian.org/CD/live/ ? |
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| 15:01.37 | encryptedlvm | Brigo, I thought that logrotate will compress or save, or wathever, all information from all processes, logs. That that is its purpose. |
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| 15:01.51 | Agiofws | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/i386/iso-hybrid/ ? |
| 15:02.38 | encryptedlvm | For the future examination if something bad happens.. |
| 15:02.39 | abrotman | encryptedlvm: are you sure you want to do that? |
| 15:03.10 | Agiofws | darxmurf, can you recommend a live cd to burn? |
| 15:03.41 | encryptedlvm | I'm not, I just thought that was creator's intention. |
| 15:04.23 | encryptedlvm | Than I was wrong. OK, everything is fine now. |
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| 15:04.38 | Agiofws | is there a debian live cd console mode only ? |
| 15:04.56 | shay_shay | Agiofws: is your system amd64 or i386? the console only one is called "standard" |
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| 15:07.10 | Agiofws | i386 |
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| 15:07.26 | Agiofws | shay_shay, debian-live-8.1.0-i386-standard+nonfree.iso 2015-06-06 20:00 585M ? |
| 15:07.29 | shay_shay | although if you get the xfce one then you can browse the web looking for answers while you fix it, Agiofws |
| 15:08.34 | shay_shay | if its a desktop.. |
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| 15:08.55 | Agiofws | well its a desktop ... |
| 15:09.01 | Agiofws | but it takes time to dl |
| 15:09.10 | sbeex | hello |
| 15:09.24 | darxmurf | Agiofws: juste the classic Debian installation cd |
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| 15:09.59 | Agiofws | which is ? |
| 15:10.29 | darxmurf | http://mirror.switch.ch/ftp/mirror/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-cd/debian-8.1.0-i386-CD-1.iso |
| 15:10.45 | darxmurf | www.debian.org -> download -> stable |
| 15:11.15 | sbeex | excuse me I have a small problem with facl |
| 15:11.15 | darxmurf | if you are in USA use another mirror it will be faster to download |
| 15:11.37 | sbeex | my user "deploy" can't access the folder with those facl settings : http://pastebin.com/fdWVgxVq any reason ? |
| 15:11.45 | darxmurf | USA or somewhere else I mean :) |
| 15:14.07 | darxmurf | time to leave ! see you tomorrow |
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| 15:14.38 | Agiofws | bye |
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| 15:15.37 | sbeex | my user "deploy" can't access the folder with those facl settings : http://pastebin.com/fdWVgxVq any reason ? |
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| 15:18.12 | Agiofws | wondering if i could chroot from windows... :P |
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| 15:19.09 | srg | How important is ~/.ICEauthority ? Can I delete it and/or prevent it from being made? |
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| 15:26.43 | shay_shay | Agiofws: you could try chrooting from the netinst... I'd be interested to hear if you have success |
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| 15:30.45 | Agiofws | shay_shay, i reallu think you can |
| 15:30.56 | Agiofws | but i'm downloading a full install now |
| 15:31.21 | Agiofws | wonders if windows 7 can burn iso images to cd |
| 15:31.52 | ChrisH | Agiofws: it can... directly... the second time windows 7 surprised me |
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| 15:32.29 | socomm | But can it create bootable USB directly? |
| 15:32.40 | socomm | I mean its only 2013. |
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| 15:34.12 | yossarianuk | socomm: dd |
| 15:35.30 | alimj | Hello guys. I have my 1st major VPS transfer from an old Kloxo (on the damn Centos 2.6) to a new Wheezy box. |
| 15:35.38 | yossarianuk | grub can boot an .iso directly also |
| 15:35.50 | socomm | yossarianuk: You missed the question. |
| 15:35.56 | socomm | alimj: Whats the question, amigo. |
| 15:36.21 | alimj | A little bit panicked. I want to be sure I won't miss anything. |
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| 15:38.05 | alimj | Backing up entire server via rsync. I should backup mysql dbs (for wordpress, Joomla and drupal sites) |
| 15:38.08 | alimj | email |
| 15:38.23 | alimj | email addresses (all forwarded to gmail or yahoo) |
| 15:38.57 | alimj | This is scary. I have 24 hours. |
| 15:38.59 | ChrisH | alimj: you should allways have recent backups. Do not rsync mysql files from running databases. |
| 15:39.29 | alimj | mysql via mysqldump |
| 15:39.44 | ChrisH | alimj: OK, sounds better |
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| 15:44.35 | alimj | I have to call users (friends and family). I am providing few dozen free hosting. Almost sure they never backup their blogs/sites. :'( |
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| 15:47.54 | socomm | alimj: You just need to back up your data and config folders, don't bother with anything else. |
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| 15:54.49 | qqz | my uefi boot laoder does not start as soon as I remove my USB-CD drive. |
| 15:55.05 | qqz | the problem is that the dvd is recognized as (hd0) by grub |
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| 15:55.20 | qqz | and if it is not here it does not find anything on hd1 |
| 15:55.26 | VlanX | hello there. Anyone using KVM for virtualization? |
| 15:55.51 | qqz | I have already tried to create a /boot/grub/device.map but it seems to be ignored |
| 15:56.01 | socomm | VlanX: There are many people using KVM for virtualization. |
| 15:56.06 | qqz | VlanX: yes |
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| 15:58.02 | srg | I'm having trouble with a rsync script. It's not including the dir I told it to include. |
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| 16:00.05 | srg | https://paste.debian.net/216234/ this is my rsync script. Except, when I run it (as a dry-run), it does NOT copy the ~/.mozilla/ dir for some reason. |
| 16:00.14 | srg | The dir definitely exists and has stuff in it. |
| 16:01.09 | socomm | srg: What if you specify the actual path to ~/.mozilla? |
| 16:01.14 | srg | Every other dir and file shows up properly in the dry run |
| 16:01.16 | srg | let me try it |
| 16:01.23 | srg | like /home/srg/.mozilla ? |
| 16:01.23 | socomm | srg: Are you running the script as the same user who owns ~/.mozilla? |
| 16:01.28 | srg | I am, the 'srg' user |
| 16:01.29 | socomm | srg: Sure. |
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| 16:01.40 | socomm | srg: How are you running the script, cron? |
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| 16:02.31 | srg | right now, `sh backup.sh | less` |
| 16:03.06 | srg | I tried the full path, .mozilla didn't showed up in the ouput (but weirdly, everything else did with its subdirs and files) |
| 16:03.10 | srg | that's really odd |
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| 16:03.24 | srg | .config/ and .gnupg/ and eveything worked |
| 16:03.26 | socomm | srg: Is this supposed to be a bash script? |
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| 16:03.44 | srg | Whatever /bin/sh is? bourne/ |
| 16:03.55 | socomm | srg: There is a difference. |
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| 16:04.03 | freq | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSA_ANT_catalog |
| 16:04.10 | jelly | socomm: there's nothing bash-specific in that one command and variable expansion |
| 16:04.17 | socomm | If this is supposed to be bash make sure you specify the right interpretter. |
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| 16:04.28 | jelly | socomm: look at the script. |
| 16:04.29 | socomm | jelly: Okay. |
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| 16:05.02 | jelly | freq: keep the offtopic stuff in #debian-offtopic, please |
| 16:05.03 | socomm | srg: Most likely its an issue your environment variables. |
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| 16:05.24 | srg | ahh, ok. how can I run it inside a "cleanroom"? |
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| 16:05.38 | f-a | I am a bit weirded out, $ apt-cache search virtualbox | grep virtualbox <-- this command leads to 0 output, but the package is present in jessie! https://packages.debian.org/jessie/virtualbox |
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| 16:05.55 | socomm | I'm not sure what you mean by clean room, but specifying path should be safest route |
| 16:05.58 | srg | f-a: I think virtualbox is contrib or non-free |
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| 16:06.15 | f-a | :O |
| 16:06.21 | jelly | dpkg, tell f-a about contrib |
| 16:06.22 | socomm | srg: You can create a $home_dir variable and specify path through there, to make things easier. |
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| 16:06.33 | srg | ok, i'll try that |
| 16:06.35 | srg | thanks! |
| 16:06.36 | f-a | yeah, contrib |
| 16:06.38 | f-a | weird |
| 16:06.45 | socomm | f-a: Weirded out? |
| 16:06.45 | f-a | I recall it was free in wheezy, thanks jelly |
| 16:07.10 | f-a | socomm: I only use main, so yeah, I am bit surprised it was moved out main. Let's see why! |
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| 16:07.25 | socomm | f-a: All right. |
| 16:07.39 | f-a | "Move package to contrib as virtualbox 4.2 needs a non-free compiler to build the BIOS. |
| 16:07.42 | f-a | fair enough |
| 16:08.03 | socomm | srg: np |
| 16:09.45 | VlanX | qqz, socomm: I ask that because I've tryied with openSuse but I had problems with pci-passthru even though I have Vt-d and IOMMU all correctly enabled. I was wondering what version of debian are you guys using. |
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| 16:10.28 | jelly | srg: what happens if you change the order of --exclude '.*' and --include '.mozilla/' ? |
| 16:10.28 | qqz | VlanX: ? |
| 16:11.08 | qqz | grub2 does not start at me if I remove my USB cdrom |
| 16:11.28 | jelly | srg: I don't remember if rsync does "last match" or "best match", and it doesn't seem to do "first match" given your symptoms |
| 16:11.28 | VlanX | qqz: that is to say, I'd like to try Debian hoping that I will find less bugs to deal with :D |
| 16:11.30 | qqz | note that grub2 starts from the HDD as long as I have my USB cd plugged in |
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| 16:12.22 | qqz | VlanX: yes, I already did so |
| 16:13.08 | qqz | strange grub2 error!; I`d like to be able to boot my machine without external USB CD. |
| 16:13.44 | srg | jelly: Ah! I think that solved it! |
| 16:13.55 | srg | jelly: Good eye, thank you! |
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| 16:14.09 | jelly | srg: and it probably broke something else... so be careful :-) |
| 16:14.23 | VlanX | qqz: interesting! what distro could I download provided that I don't need graphical supoport? should I still go for the full DVD version and then select text-only ? |
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| 16:14.32 | TJ- | qqz: Tha suggests when the OS was installed the GRUB bootloader bootstrap files were installed to the USB device, not the hard disk |
| 16:15.04 | srg | jelly: Yeah, I'm reviewing the dry-run |
| 16:15.32 | jelly | srg: I seem to have less specific globs first, then more specific exceptions later in the command line |
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| 16:16.20 | TJ- | qqz: Simeplt to fix... boot the system, identify the device name of the hard disk the OS is installed on (e.g. /dev/sda) and then run "sudo grub-install /dev/sda" - be aware if the motherboard uses UEFI rather than BIOS you'll need additional parameters adding to that command-line |
| 16:16.24 | jelly | rsync -Pa .z* .joerc --exclude .zyn* cloning-zsh-setup-to-new-machine: |
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| 16:17.35 | qqz | TJ-: what additional parameters will be required? (I have just tried it with âuefi-secure-boot and âforce-extra-removable to grub-install but that did not help). |
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| 16:18.53 | qqz | TJ-: there already is a grub installation on (hd0) I believe; otherwise it could not start at all (not even with the USB-CD) |
| 16:19.16 | qqz | TJ-: or better to ask: how can I find out what additional parameters will be required. |
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| 16:20.12 | TJ- | qqz: GRUB has several parts: the master boot record/bootstrap code and stage 1 blocks, or for UEFI the UEFI grub loader, then the GRUB files under /buut/grub/ which contain the menu and supporting and optional modules |
| 16:22.00 | qqz | TJ-: it stays with a black screen and a blinking cursor at the top left; do you believe it has already entered the UEFI grub loader, then? |
| 16:22.36 | qqz | It is a MacBook; however there is no more MacOS on it |
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| 16:22.49 | qqz | so the instructions at I just saw https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GRUB/EFI_examples may be futile |
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| 16:23.16 | qu | I want to route all network traffic from one VM to another. |
| 16:23.17 | qu | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:23.23 | TJ- | qqz: something along the lines of: "sudo grub-install --target=x86_64-efi" is, I think, the minimum required |
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| 16:24.17 | TJ- | qqz: With MacBook I believe a special workaround is required for UEFI boot, but its a while since I looked at that |
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| 16:29.20 | Megaf | Hi all, I just messed up apt-get on Wheezy with a apt-get --purge remove aptitude |
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| 16:29.30 | Megaf | it didnt complete, just failed with lots of errors |
| 16:29.42 | itry | Hello! What is a very lightweight desktop I can use to run a chrome browser? |
| 16:29.55 | Megaf | itry: lxde |
| 16:30.04 | itry | Megaf: ok. how do i install that? |
| 16:30.15 | Megaf | apt-get install lxde-desktop or something like that |
| 16:30.34 | Megaf | if you want the full thing, with libreoffice and stuff then apt-get install task-lxde-session |
| 16:31.05 | itry | i only need a browser |
| 16:31.16 | itry | chrome to be specific |
| 16:31.54 | Megaf | itry: then you can apt-get install openbox |
| 16:32.11 | itry | Megaf: is that lxde? |
| 16:32.24 | Megaf | openbox is a small window manager |
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| 16:32.34 | Megaf | you dont have desktop, panels, icons, file manager |
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| 16:32.42 | Megaf | just a menu and windows |
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| 16:33.09 | Megaf | itry: you turn your computer on, login with your user on the terminal, and from there type startx |
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| 16:33.42 | itry | i dont use a local computer |
| 16:33.55 | itry | i uses machines in datacenters |
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| 16:34.02 | itry | via tightvncserver |
| 16:34.11 | Megaf | why use VNC? |
| 16:34.20 | Megaf | anyway, openbox |
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| 16:34.33 | itry | why vnc? because it works. |
| 16:34.39 | itry | i dont know any other way. |
| 16:34.51 | Megaf | if you run Linux on the client side, you can ssh -X user@datacenter.com |
| 16:34.59 | Megaf | and type google-chrome |
| 16:35.06 | Megaf | it will show up in your desktop |
| 16:35.08 | Megaf | remotely |
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| 16:35.29 | Megaf | you can also install cygwin x if you use windows |
| 16:35.35 | Megaf | and putty to access over ssh |
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| 16:35.40 | TheWarden | Hello |
| 16:36.28 | TheWarden | I have a hot swap drive enclosure connected to SATA... I want to auto mount this drive when its plugged in. Can anyone suggest some resources I can read on how to do this with UDEV rules? I also want to execute a script once the device is mounted. |
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| 16:37.26 | TJ- | TheWarden: what do you mean by automount the drive - do you really mean automount any file-systems found on the device? |
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| 16:38.14 | TheWarden | Sorry I mean to auto mount based on UUID. |
| 16:38.30 | TJ- | TheWarden: Sounds like you want udisks; see https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/udisks |
| 16:39.04 | qqz | TheWarden: create a file in /etc/udev/rules.d/myhdd.rules |
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| 16:39.58 | TheWarden | TJ-: okay maybe... not sure that is necessary as UDEV from what I understand should work fine. |
| 16:40.01 | itry | is there no chromium-browser in debian 8? |
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| 16:40.13 | qqz | ACTION==âaddâ, SUBSYSTEM==âusbâ ATTRS{idVendor=..} ATTRS{idProduct}=, RUN+=âmyscripâ |
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| 16:40.33 | TJ- | TheWarden: Udisks job is to mount file-systems, everything else uses it |
| 16:40.35 | qqz | get Vendor:Product from lsusb |
| 16:40.37 | TheWarden | qqz: Yes I understand that, Just not sure how to write the file up. reading on it ... btw, its not USB its connected via SATA how swap capable drive enclosure. |
| 16:41.13 | TheWarden | TJ-: oh I thought udev use mount that comes with the OS? |
| 16:41.19 | qqz | then leave the idvendor out and do something like env >>/var/log/messages in that script |
| 16:41.55 | TJ- | TheWarden: udev doesn't mount file-systems; it builds the sys and dev modes and symlinks |
| 16:42.21 | TJ- | s/modes/nodes/ |
| 16:42.36 | qqz | my idea would have been to let udev run a script which auto-mounts your device i.e. sth. in /etc/udev/scripts/myhdd |
| 16:42.38 | TheWarden | TJ-: oh |
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| 16:42.58 | TheWarden | qqz: yes I like that, as I need to run a script anyways to automate it. |
| 16:43.46 | qqz | TheWarden: so just try it as suggested; let the script log the env and then get all useful parameters from the environment variables |
| 16:44.42 | TheWarden | qqz: okay, I'll give that a try. |
| 16:45.22 | qqz | TJ-: thx; now it works: I simply had to press Alt on bootup of my MacBook and then select UEFI-boot ⦠|
| 16:45.49 | TJ- | TheWarden: You could add a config rule in "/etc/udisks2/" for the device, or you might use "/lib/udev/rules.d/80-udisks2.rules" as an example of how udev triggers udisks when FSs are found; you can add a similar rule in "/etc/udev/rules.d/" if you prefer the udev way |
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| 16:46.12 | TJ- | qqz: Thanks for the info; might come in useful for someone else |
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| 16:47.40 | qqz | TheWarden: do not forget to give all executables a full path; $PATH will not be set in udev scripts |
| 16:47.59 | TheWarden | qqz: I assume I take out the subsystem part as its not usb |
| 16:48.17 | TheWarden | mmm where the uuid goes... |
| 16:48.39 | qqz | at first take out all of it execpt the add .. ;) |
| 16:49.45 | TheWarden | qqz: mm okay, mmm need to identify to auto run this by the UUID |
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| 16:54.47 | TheWarden | mm running udevadm info --attribute-walk --name=sdb displays a lot of info but no UUID... I don't see a serial number to use... keep in mind I have 2 other drives in the system that are the same make and model. |
| 16:56.47 | qqz | TheWarden: then let the script check whether it is the right hdd of all the three i.e. just check whether /dev/disk/by-id/⦠exists if the environment variables do not help |
| 16:56.49 | qqz | VlanX: I believe coolo must have lost the plot for calling the openSuse distro codenames as he recently did. |
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| 16:57.41 | TheWarden | qqz: mm ok |
| 16:57.59 | TJ- | TheWarden: A block device doesn't have a UUID; that belongs to a file system |
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| 16:58.47 | TheWarden | TJ-: well okay... I see it under blkid |
| 16:59.34 | TJ- | TheWarden: If I recall correctly, if you add it in fstab udisks will automount when the file-system appears, since udisksd monitors fstab amongst other things |
| 17:00.19 | zinx | TJ-: technically, with GPT partitions have a GUID not associated with the filesystem |
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| 17:01.13 | TheWarden | bingo I think I can do this by subsystem="block" and kernal="sdb" then have the script do the rest. |
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| 17:02.08 | qqz | but the drive letters sdb, sdc are assigned always differently mounting multiple devices and usb sticks ⦠|
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| 17:03.26 | qqz | KERNEL=âsd*â at most ⦠|
| 17:03.33 | qqz | == |
| 17:03.40 | TJ- | zinx: yes, the GPT primary header contains a GUID for the disk |
| 17:03.44 | RoyK | TheWarden: smartctl -i /dev/sdb # shows disk infor, serial number including |
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| 17:05.34 | TheWarden | qqz: this device will always be mounted as sdb due to how I have the enclosure wired being its connecting directly to SATA. At least from my tests it has always done this for me in this case. |
| 17:05.51 | TJ- | TheWarden: E.g. "udisksctl info -b /dev/mapper/LUKS_boot" will return all the info about a file system in the specified block device |
| 17:05.52 | TheWarden | RoyK: Thanks mmm I don't have that command however not sure if that info would be accessible to UDEV. |
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| 17:06.33 | TheWarden | I'm for the moment try to achieve this will what the system has. If I can't think I will look at other options. |
| 17:07.06 | TheWarden | I assumed that udevadm info is what I only have access to with udev, is this wrong? |
| 17:07.20 | qqz | TheWarden: I would not rely on that (what about usb devices); make the sd* a variable in your script will additionally be more reusable for new setups |
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| 17:08.13 | TJ- | TheWarden: If all you want to do is mount a file system, I say again, refer to it by its UUID not by a transient block device name allocated by the kernel |
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| 17:08.35 | qqz | here is a lot about writing udev rules: http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html ⦠|
| 17:08.56 | RoyK | TheWarden: apt-get install smartmontools |
| 17:09.02 | zinx | TheWarden: new kernel versions may (and probably will) change the order - it has happened in the past. |
| 17:09.04 | TheWarden | qqz: mm |
| 17:09.24 | TheWarden | TJ-: Well I want UUID but I don't know if I can do that in the UDEV rule. |
| 17:09.54 | TheWarden | qqz: thanks, I'll take a read |
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| 17:10.05 | RoyK | TheWarden: /dev/disk/by-id/something should do - that's static, but will change if you replace a faulty drive |
| 17:10.14 | TheWarden | zinx: ahh never thought of that. |
| 17:10.14 | zinx | TheWarden: you can get the UUID from the udev rule |
| 17:10.31 | TheWarden | zinx: oh? |
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| 17:10.43 | zinx | RoyK: not for partitions - partitions UUIDs are based on the GPT entry or the id embedded in the filesystem |
| 17:10.46 | RoyK | prefers to use RAID with > 1 drive :P |
| 17:10.55 | TJ- | TheWarden: Yes, udev supports UUID or any other attribute |
| 17:10.57 | RoyK | zinx: ah - IC |
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| 17:11.48 | zinx | TheWarden: that's how the /dev/disk/by-id/* are created in the first place |
| 17:12.02 | RoyK | zinx: that is - what is my /dev/disk/by-id/ata-C300-CTFDDAC256MAG_00000000102502FBE1C7-part5, then, if partitions don't go in there? |
| 17:12.30 | zinx | RoyK: who said anything about partitions not going in there? |
| 17:12.58 | RoyK | zinx > RoyK: not for partitions... I may have misunderstood what you meant there, though |
| 17:13.35 | zinx | RoyK: i meant, it won't change if you replace the drive, if you use the partition id. |
| 17:13.52 | zinx | RoyK: though i guess you want by-partuuid then |
| 17:14.11 | RoyK | right |
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| 17:14.24 | RoyK | well, I rarely see that since I use RAID for all it's worth :P |
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| 17:14.33 | zinx | (or by-uuid) |
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| 17:14.59 | zinx | yeah, i use dm-crypt/raid/lvm2 myself, not in that order |
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| 17:15.47 | RoyK | tends to use ZFS if he can plan ahead, although that may be another #topic |
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| 17:18.10 | TheWarden | zinx: oh okay, well thus far I don't see how to write that into the rule itself. |
| 17:18.36 | TheWarden | TJ-: yeah same thing, I don't see how to write that into the rule itself. Been reading and looking but nothing thus far. |
| 17:19.15 | TheWarden | I'm using BTRFS |
| 17:19.18 | TJ- | TheWarden: RUN + = " ... " |
| 17:20.15 | zinx | TheWarden: ID_FS_UUID=="UUID-HERE" or ID_PART_ENTRY_UUID=="UUID-HERE" |
| 17:20.18 | TheWarden | TJ-: yes, but do I look for the UUID in /dev/disk/by-uuid/? |
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| 17:20.58 | TheWarden | zinx: oh so you can do this in the rule itself to detect the UUID? I thought it was only capable some how via the script called by the udev rule. |
| 17:21.11 | qqz | have you had a look at env for the UUID? |
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| 17:21.30 | zinx | TheWarden: udevadm info /path/to/device will give you things that are matchable at some point |
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| 17:22.15 | zinx | TheWarden: fwiw for automounting, a volume manager may be more appropriate |
| 17:22.33 | zinx | TheWarden: since that will also let you unmount |
| 17:23.09 | TheWarden | zinx: well I plan to have this script run rsync and then umount after... I need to learn this :) |
| 17:23.24 | qqz | it is a matter of taste but I always disable all these automounters (+tracker) as they may do unwanted things |
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| 17:24.45 | zinx | qqz: most of the volume managers i've seen only mount when you tell them to, but then, i use debian not a debian derivative :P |
| 17:24.57 | srg | Is there a way to list all manually installed package? Not dependencies, but all the packages *I* installed? |
| 17:25.21 | zinx | srg: no, you can list all packages that aren't automatically installed though |
| 17:25.34 | zinx | srg: but a large number of packages you didn't install will not be marked as automatic |
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| 17:25.47 | srg | that's ok, I'm just making it for backup purposes |
| 17:25.49 | zinx | srg: you can mark them as such, but they may be removed. |
| 17:25.50 | TJ- | TheWarden: this is /etc/udev/rules.d/60-persistent-storage.rules http://paste.ubuntu.com/11676238/ |
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| 17:26.33 | TheWarden | qqz: No I haven't looked at env yet... going to try this now and see, |
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| 17:26.42 | zinx | n.b. that file is auto-generated and may not exist on your system |
| 17:27.19 | TJ- | zinx: no, it's manually written by me! :) |
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| 17:27.24 | zinx | TJ-: oh ;D |
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| 17:27.53 | srg | zinx: How do I do that? |
| 17:27.58 | bald_bohemian | Hey everybody |
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| 17:28.26 | TJ- | zinx: You point out something useful though; in reality it should be numbered 61-.... in order not to be overwritten by the rule generator if the sysadmin later decides to make use of that |
| 17:28.34 | TheWarden | TJ-: Oh wow, thanks |
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| 17:29.07 | TJ- | srg: Yes, with debfoster |
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| 17:29.38 | blocky | somehow my machine thinks it's 3:30AM PDT |
| 17:29.45 | TJ- | TheWarden: if you want to do things on device removal, act on the "remove" action in another stanza in the same file |
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| 17:30.36 | TJ- | srg: "debfoster --quiet --show-keepers" |
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| 17:30.57 | TheWarden | TJ-: Alright, thanks so much. |
| 17:31.03 | zinx | srg: the easiest way seems to be aptitude search '~i!~M' |
| 17:31.05 | bald_bohemian | Would anybody know about the status of emdebian? I saw that it's website said that updates ceased last year. I was just wondering if it is still advisable to use it |
| 17:31.20 | blocky | anyone know how I screwed up my timezone? I've reset it to the correct time several times and it reverts |
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| 17:31.41 | zinx | TJ-: afaik the autogeneration schemes in Debian all append to the file rather than overwrite it |
| 17:31.42 | TJ- | blocky: user locale maybe? |
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| 17:32.37 | blocky | it's supposed to be 10:30AM PDT but my machine thinks its 3:30AM PDT |
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| 17:32.47 | zinx | srg: well, i guess debfoster works too as TJ- pointed out if you have it installed :) |
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| 17:33.09 | TheWarden | TJ-: what's with the ! mark beside ACTION and what's the purpose of having GOTO? |
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| 17:33.45 | blocky | can a user have a different timezone than the system? when i login as root i get the same incorrect time |
| 17:33.56 | TJ- | zinx: the generator-based udev rules replace the files in /etc/udev/rules.d/, but there is no persistent-storage-generator by default |
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| 17:34.13 | TJ- | blocky: maybe the system-wide locale is incorrect? |
| 17:34.24 | srg | zinx: Thanks |
| 17:34.26 | srg | TJ-: Thanks too |
| 17:34.33 | TJ- | TheWarden: != not equal to |
| 17:34.48 | TJ- | TheWarden: == equal to |
| 17:35.13 | bald_bohemian | Is anyone familiar with emdebian? |
| 17:35.31 | TheWarden | TJ-: ahh yes okay, but in my cause wouldn't it be == as I want this to be ran at the action of adding? |
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| 17:35.55 | TheWarden | Do I need to run a command to restart a service or reload the udev rules after I've made a change? |
| 17:36.03 | TJ- | TheWarden: Yes indeed; I put that in since I didn't want the rule to try firing on my system :) |
| 17:36.20 | TJ- | TheWarden: No. udev uses inotify to spot changes to the files it uses |
| 17:36.36 | TheWarden | TJ-: I figured so... :). so the point of GOTO is to read the rest of the lines? |
| 17:36.38 | blocky | TJ-: i ran sudo tzselect but it didn't fix it |
| 17:37.04 | TJ- | TheWarden: The usual idea is to jump to the end of the file for things that shouldn't be matched at all |
| 17:37.44 | TJ- | TheWarden: It probably ought to be "ACTION!="remove|" GOTO="persistent_storage_end" " |
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| 17:38.20 | hypn0 | TJ-: isnt it "sudo dpkg-reconfigure tzdata" now |
| 17:38.23 | TJ- | blocky: what does "locale" report? is it correct? |
| 17:39.00 | hypn0 | i meant blocky :-) |
| 17:39.00 | blocky | TJ-: almost every env var is set like this LC_TIME="en_US.UTF-8" |
| 17:39.07 | TJ- | hypn0: Yes, it is |
| 17:39.09 | blocky | and i'm not sure if that's correct |
| 17:39.20 | TJ- | blocky: OK, is that your desired locale? |
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| 17:39.41 | TJ- | blocky: if so then you need to reconfigure the TZ as hypno showed you |
| 17:39.56 | blocky | TJ-: i don't understand, should that be set to my local time zone? |
| 17:40.10 | blocky | America/Vancouver |
| 17:40.38 | TJ- | blocky: locale should be your preferred language, so if English US is correct, then all you need now is to reconfigure the tzdata package |
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| 17:41.48 | blocky | i just did dpkg-reconfigure and set it to my timezone |
| 17:41.48 | TJ- | blocky: I wanted to be sure the 2 seemed to make sense since these days many people around the world with non-English first languages operate virtual machines based in the USA, and usually those VMs default to the timezone of their physical host and location |
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| 17:42.04 | blocky | TJ-: ok thanks |
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| 17:42.39 | blocky | i think the problem is that it thinks the current UTC time is my local time (10:30AM) |
| 17:42.40 | bald_bohemian | Hey everybody, is anybody familiar with embedian? |
| 17:43.02 | TJ- | blocky: It isn't unusual, for example, to have a German citizen rent a VM in the USA but have it set to the locale and timezone of their own location, not the VM hosts |
| 17:43.09 | nkuttler | bald_bohemian: people in #emdebian on irc.oftc.net |
| 17:43.12 | blocky | so when it adds the offset (UTC-8) it goes to 3am |
| 17:43.25 | bald_bohemian | thanks :) |
| 17:43.32 | TJ- | blocky: Yes, it could be the system time needs correcting in order for the TZ offset applied to make sense |
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| 17:44.16 | blocky | TJ-: i corrected the system time about a week ago like this |
| 17:44.20 | blocky | sudo date -s "Tue Jun 9 10:45:00 PDT 2015" |
| 17:44.26 | blocky | excpt i did it on jun 3rd |
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| 17:44.40 | blocky | is that the correct way to do it? if so it's reverted since then |
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| 17:45.49 | TJ- | blocky: That should work, although I usually do "date --utc 123111592015" |
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| 17:49.48 | blocky | TJ-: ok thanks, ill try it again and see if/how long it remains |
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| 17:50.13 | greycat | I'd prefer something like sudo ntpdate 0.debian.pool.ntp.org |
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| 17:50.24 | TJ- | blocky: if it's a VM it could be something weird the host does |
| 17:50.44 | greycat | if it's a VM you probably *CANNOT* set the time at all |
| 17:50.53 | TJ- | greycat: agreed; much better to use ntp daemon once the time is close to being correct |
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| 17:53.15 | qqz | blocky: is ntp running? |
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| 17:53.43 | qqz | blocky: make /etc/localtime a link to /usr/share/zoneinfo/MyContinent/MyCity |
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| 17:55.32 | RoyK | bald_bohemian: As of July 2014, updates to the Emdebian distributions ceased. There will be no further updates and no further stable releases. |
| 17:55.42 | qqz | if the UTC - offset towards your local tiem as displayed by date should not be correct |
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| 18:01.25 | dnsk_ | Why is Chromium made available in the main repo? |
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| 18:01.31 | dnsk_ | it is ain't even fully free right? |
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| 18:01.55 | dnsk_ | it can be open source. but its not free as per the FSDG guidelines. Chromium includes files with unclear licensing |
| 18:02.05 | dnsk_ | Remove Chromium from Main repo please |
| 18:02.29 | dnsk_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:02.38 | dnsk_ | check for License: *No copyright* UNKNOWN |
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| 18:04.34 | srg | What shell should I use for scripting on debian? /bin/sh (apparently dash) or /bin/bash? |
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| 18:05.46 | phy1729 | srg: does it need to be portable? |
| 18:06.15 | srg | phy1729: not really, but ideally |
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| 18:06.23 | ihsw | can someone here help with my samba config? |
| 18:06.24 | phy1729 | if portability matters, use /bin/sh otherwise bash will be nicer to deal with |
| 18:06.30 | phy1729 | ihsw: #samba |
| 18:06.40 | ihsw | phy1729: yeah, i'm there, noone is responding. |
| 18:06.51 | phy1729 | it may take a day, they're a bit slow |
| 18:07.06 | srg | but since /bin/sh is dash, if I say, run this on freebsd where /bin/sh is bourne, would that be portable? |
| 18:07.13 | ihsw | no i mean they're ignoring me. they're talking about other stuff. |
| 18:07.20 | phy1729 | yes, dash is supposed to be POSIX |
| 18:07.37 | srg | oh, ok. thanks! |
| 18:07.39 | greycat | sh on FreeBSD should be POSIX, not Bourne |
| 18:07.43 | phy1729 | ihsw: then those people may not know the answer |
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| 18:08.49 | srg | greycat: ah, yeah, you're right. thanks phy1729 |
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| 18:13.48 | RoyK | greycat: ntpdate doesn't try to set hwclock, last I checked |
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| 18:15.36 | TheWarden | okay not sure how to debug this... udev rule appears to be not working since nothing appears in the /var/logs/messages, take a look https://gist.github.com/thewarden/42abb237225a55165dd3 |
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| 18:15.55 | TheWarden | maybe I didn't write the rule correctly... |
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| 18:18.20 | mtnman | hello? |
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| 18:36.05 | zophy | is it possible, or advisable, or YMV to dist-upgrade wheezy to jessie ? |
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| 18:37.12 | babilen | advisable, but follow the release notes |
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| 18:37.19 | babilen | dpkg: wheezy->jessie |
| 18:37.20 | dpkg | Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> http://deb.li/ldcj . In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "wheezy" to "jessie". apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. 3rd party repos like <dmo> are known to cause problems with the upgrade. See also <jessie sysvinit>. |
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| 18:39.16 | qqz | TheWarden: try to skip everything but the add option and do not forget to add the system paths to every executable in the script (PATH not set) |
| 18:39.26 | delipero | is there a way to get dual screen working on debian? |
| 18:39.43 | qqz | delipro: xrandr? |
| 18:39.54 | delipero | i have tryied |
| 18:40.01 | delipero | cant get it to work |
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| 18:40.11 | delipero | its says hdmi disconnected |
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| 18:40.17 | qqz | delipro: perhaps you will have to set the VirtualScreen summaxx x summaxy in your xorg.conf |
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| 18:40.50 | qqz | delipro: xrandr âoutput HDMI-0 âmode 1920x1200 âleft-of LVDS |
| 18:41.04 | TheWarden | qqz: yes I'm trying that now... I was going to try udevtrigger but I don't appear to have that. It was mentioned in http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html under "Testing and Debugging" |
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| 18:41.07 | qqz | delipro: under KDE you can use systemsettings / screen settings |
| 18:41.30 | delipero | left screen is new hdmi and right screen is dvi |
| 18:41.39 | delipero | i am using xfce4 |
| 18:41.40 | qqz | TheWarden: /etc/init.d/udev restart |
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| 18:41.59 | TFrog | is it possible to get good laptop power management in Debian 8? if so, how is it being done? |
| 18:42.05 | TheWarden | qqz: mm okay, I can try... I thought initd was gone and replaced with systemd |
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| 18:42.36 | qqz | service systemd restart or so, you will have to have a look ⦠|
| 18:42.48 | qqz | or udevadm reload-scripts or sth. like that |
| 18:42.51 | TheWarden | qqz: ahh lol its just a wrapper to systemctl restart udev.service |
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| 18:44.35 | qqz | delipro: whether it is DVI or DVI-0 look that up by simply executing xrandr |
| 18:45.18 | delipero | will try |
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| 18:46.22 | srg | I'm rsycing my laptop homedir to a 2 TB external HDD. The HDD is empty, and my homedir is 66 GB. However, rsync is saying "no space left on device": https://paste.debian.net/216618/ |
| 18:46.41 | srg | There is definitely space left on the HDD |
| 18:46.55 | greycat | Did you mount it? Are you specifying the mounted directory as the destination? |
| 18:47.05 | qqz | delipro: later on you can put that in your /etc/kdm/�../Xstartup; though preconfiguration is also possible by a proper xorg.conf |
| 18:47.05 | qqz | srg: yes; I know that problem. I use dircmp for that purpose |
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| 18:47.32 | srg | greycat: I am. half the files transfer, then that error shows up. |
| 18:47.34 | qqz | srg: it does not delete the old before it copies the new: rsynv |
| 18:47.41 | srg | but the HDD is empty... |
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| 18:48.08 | greycat | Check with df. |
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| 18:49.12 | srg | hmm, odd. |
| 18:49.12 | qqz | dircmp will be published here: http://www.elstel.org/leutils/ |
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| 18:49.42 | qqz | it lets you double check every file that will be synced and has various options in order not to sync object files, temporary vim files etc. |
| 18:49.48 | srg | `df -h /mnt/backup` says: /dev/dm-1 314M 293M 1.0K 100% / |
| 18:50.22 | srg | qqz: I just spent a couple days writing a script that uses rsync, I'd prefer to solve this than to just switch and have to rewrite everything |
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| 18:51.22 | qqz | ok; good then. |
| 18:51.33 | qqz | will like to have some time before publishing â¦. |
| 18:51.56 | srg | Ah, I solved it greycat. It was using the wrong dir (and filesystem) because of --relative in rsync |
| 18:52.01 | srg | at least, I think that's why |
| 18:52.03 | srg | heh |
| 18:52.05 | srg | thanks qqz |
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| 18:55.06 | TheWarden | argh still nothing in messages |
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| 18:56.21 | qqz | TheWarden: or use another file?; chmod +x the script, run it directly via bash etc. |
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| 18:56.29 | TheWarden | here is what I did https://gist.github.com/thewarden/42abb237225a55165dd3 |
| 18:57.19 | TheWarden | qqz: yes I have it chmod +x on the script and I ran the script by itself and it works fine... I see what I sent from the script in messages. However udev doesn't seem to run |
| 18:57.26 | TheWarden | rule I mean is not running |
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| 18:58.12 | TJ- | TheWarden: where have you put the file? |
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| 18:58.58 | TheWarden | TJ-: well for now I just have it in my home directory until I'm done testing. maybe move it to /usr/local/sbin/ |
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| 18:59.08 | TJ- | TheWarden: I mean the udev rules file :) |
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| 18:59.46 | TheWarden | TJ-: oh sorry, its under /etc/udev/rules.d/backup-data-rsync.rules |
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| 19:00.14 | TJ- | TheWarden: the files are executed based on their sorted names, which is why they have numeric prefixes. Since the other persistent-storage rules in /lib/udev/rules.d/ start at 60, your script ought to have a prefix of 61 or greater to ensure it fires after the other disk actions have been completed |
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| 19:01.10 | TJ- | TheWarden: prefix it with 61- or higher |
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| 19:02.04 | TheWarden | TJ-: oh... okay, I wondered about that. The article I read didn't mention a lot. so since I have /lib/udev/rules.d/ with a 61 then I put 62? |
| 19:02.49 | johndoe | im unable to install 'python-opencv', heres the error message http://pastie.org/private/ivdeq8jfui88ue2exykng any ideas? |
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| 19:03.18 | TheWarden | overlaying numbers I take it is fine as long as it happens in the correct numeric sequence |
| 19:03.24 | TJ- | TheWarden: on my system all the persistent-storage rules are 60- ... so anything above that will work |
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| 19:04.06 | TheWarden | TJ-: ok, trying this now |
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| 19:04.31 | TJ- | TheWarden: and you can use "udevadm trigger ..." to fire specific actions to avoid plugging/unplugging the physical device. See "man udevadm" |
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| 19:04.45 | TJ- | TheWarden: I have to leave now so I'll let others guide you |
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| 19:08.09 | TheWarden | sighs and says "it didn't get executed again it appears". |
| 19:08.26 | TheWarden | TJ-: ok thanks, take care. |
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| 19:08.55 | TheWarden | mm udevadm trigger returns nothing |
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| 19:13.23 | TheWarden | ahh udevadm trigger --action=add |
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| 19:15.20 | johndoe | ^ nvm, had a broken system (something pinned on apt which caused problems) |
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| 19:16.14 | kurt_ | Hey! anyone who can answer a question I have? |
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| 19:17.38 | at0m|c | try us. |
| 19:17.40 | kurt_ | on Debian Jessie, after installing the Linux version of Spotify I get spotify: error while loading shared libraries: libgcrypt.so.11: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory when trying to run spotify via terminal. I found on this link http://setuix.com/forum/topic/218-spotify-error-loading-libgcryptso11/ that it can be solved by downloading the .deb for the missing library and run sudo dpkg -i libgcrypt11_1.5.0-5+deb7u1_a |
| 19:17.40 | kurt_ | md64.deb Is there any reason why I wouldnt want to install a library this way? since it doesnt seem to be included in my software manager |
| 19:18.17 | kurt_ | I guess the only issues is, update manager won't update a library I install that way? and if I want to uninstall it I can't do the usual apt-get remove etx? |
| 19:18.22 | kurt_ | *etc |
| 19:19.28 | valdyn | kurt_: bad idea to grab a random package and install it |
| 19:19.30 | at0m|c | kurt_: apt-get install libgcrypt11 |
| 19:19.56 | greycat | ,v libgcrypt11 |
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| 19:19.58 | judd | Package: libgcrypt11 on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 1.4.5-2+squeeze1; squeeze: 1.4.5-2+squeeze1; squeeze-security-lts: 1.4.5-2+squeeze3; wheezy: 1.5.0-5+deb7u2; wheezy-proposed-updates: 1.5.0-5+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 1.5.0-5+deb7u3 |
| 19:20.12 | greycat | should've just done "apt-get install libgcrypt11" |
| 19:20.35 | kurt_ | Yeah I was thinking so do..but it is from the debian site. trying sudo apt-get install libgcrypt11 doesn't work it doesnt seem to be included in my sources. |
| 19:20.42 | greycat | err... that's missing jessie. interesting. |
| 19:20.45 | kurt_ | Well I havent installed it yet I wanted to ask before doing it |
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| 19:20.57 | greycat | ,v spotify |
| 19:20.58 | judd | No package named 'spotify' was found in amd64. |
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| 19:21.31 | kurt_ | well you have to add the source for spotify, it can be found on their site https://www.spotify.com/uk/download/previews/ |
| 19:21.35 | greycat | So it looks like the spotify binary package you found was built for something approximating wheezy, and you installed a wheezy-or-close-to-wheezy version of a library it needs, which does not exist in jessie. That's not horrible. |
| 19:22.02 | kurt_ | so would it be safe for me to follow this http://setuix.com/forum/topic/218-spotify-error-loading-libgcryptso11/ |
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| 19:22.17 | kurt_ | and install the library myself by downloading a .deb file of the library from the packages debian site |
| 19:22.57 | at0m|c | kurt_: the libgcrypt11 is in the debian repositories, consider these trusted. |
| 19:23.13 | at0m|c | the spotify.deb on the other hand, debian has no control over |
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| 19:23.50 | kurt_ | I only seem to have "libgcrypt11-dev" when running sudo apt-get install... I installed that one already and it made no difference :( |
| 19:23.59 | greycat | read the description of it. |
| 19:24.22 | kurt_ | its just a transitional package if I remember right, I can check it again |
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| 19:24.43 | greycat | If they don't have source code or jessie packages of spotify, then what you've done is acceptable. |
| 19:24.57 | at0m|c | libgcrypt11-dev - transitional libgcrypt11-dev package |
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| 19:25.09 | at0m|c | so recursive transitional? eh |
| 19:25.10 | Phlogi | how can I check why a service did not automatically start in my runlevel? Itâs listed in rcconf, the symlink is also there and service xy start works after boot, but itâs just no executed during boot - how can I debug this? |
| 19:25.12 | kurt_ | so it would be safe for me to download the .deb of the library and install it via sudo dpkg -i libgcrypt11_1.5.0-5+deb7u1_amd64.deb |
| 19:25.20 | greycat | Oh, you didn't already do it? |
| 19:25.23 | kurt_ | nope |
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| 19:25.34 | greycat | It should be OK to install the wheezy library on jessie. |
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| 19:25.36 | kurt_ | wanted to know if I did would there be anything I should know first |
| 19:25.43 | kurt_ | ahh ok :) |
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| 19:25.54 | greycat | We don't know what'll happen when you run this "spotify" thing. |
| 19:26.04 | kurt_ | I do... epic music :P |
| 19:26.09 | kurt_ | lol |
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| 19:26.45 | kurt_ | just for future reference though if I run sudo dpkg -i libgcrypt11_1.5.0-5+deb7u1_amd64.deb, I guess if I ever wanted to remove this, I can't do it via apt-get remove like I usually would or via the package manager? |
| 19:26.48 | greycat | Phlogi: which version of Debian? |
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| 19:26.56 | kurt_ | because it wasn't installed that way? or... |
| 19:27.00 | greycat | kurt_: you'd remove it with dpkg |
| 19:27.04 | Phlogi | greycat: its v7 |
| 19:27.08 | Phlogi | 7.8 |
| 19:27.19 | Phlogi | so the old init system |
| 19:27.28 | kurt_ | ahh ok, so for example I guess it would be sudo dpkg remove liblibgcrypt11_1.5.0-5+deb7u1_amd64 ? |
| 19:27.30 | greycat | Phlogi: if the bootlogd package is installed, then you might find something in /var/log/bootlog* ... otherwise, boot time messages are not saved. |
| 19:27.56 | greycat | sorry, /var/log/boot |
| 19:28.01 | Phlogi | greycat: installed and rebooted |
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| 19:28.58 | Phlogi | greycat: thanks, got the error now, its a PATH thing |
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| 19:31.12 | kurt_ | btw spotify works now. Thanks guys :) |
| 19:32.15 | jhutchins | I thought spotify was web based. |
| 19:32.28 | kurt_ | there is a client also :) |
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| 19:32.56 | kurt_ | I prefer using the Client. It was what they was first using and it's what I stuck with. I'm like that lol..just stick with what I know xD |
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| 19:33.54 | kurt_ | and especially now they have a Native Linux client I try to use that over the web version to at least show there are people using it and there is interest in it. We need more to support Linux :P |
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| 19:43.59 | ris | god almighty - just done a wheezy -> jessie upgrade. *not* a good experience. |
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| 19:45.05 | ris | beyond my kde install being totally screwed it would seem |
| 19:45.19 | scwizard | ris: tbh in the era of configuration management, i really dont' see the point in doing a major operating system upgrade |
| 19:45.29 | greycat | what. |
| 19:45.37 | ris | and networkmanager insisting on using eth0 when there's nothing plugged in |
| 19:45.39 | scwizard | i'd just update my configuration management for jessie, then rebuild |
| 19:45.58 | ris | helpful. |
| 19:46.10 | srg | I have upgraded several debian systems and I've never had problems |
| 19:46.22 | srg | It's weird that it is common, I don't know what I do differenyl |
| 19:46.34 | srg | I went from wheezy->jessie->stretch on my laptop just fine |
| 19:46.35 | scwizard | srg: did you upgrade from wheezy to jessie? |
| 19:46.37 | ris | anyway - now everything's systemd i have no fucking idea whats going on and how to diagnose things |
| 19:46.39 | scwizard | oh ok |
| 19:46.57 | srg | ris: join the club, heh |
| 19:47.04 | scwizard | i mean it's a learning curve |
| 19:47.14 | scwizard | i'm still on it but it hasn't really blocked me yet |
| 19:47.46 | ris | fun learning curve that starts you off with a fairly screwed system |
| 19:47.55 | valdyn | !wine |
| 19:47.55 | dpkg | Wine (Wine Is Not an Emulator) is an application intended to allow execution of Microsoft Windows programs on Unix-like operating systems. Application compatibility database: http://appdb.winehq.org/ . http://wiki.winehq.org/HowTo http://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ #winehq on irc.freenode.net. See <mmap_min_addr> regarding use of Win16 binaries. See also <newer wine>. |
| 19:48.01 | valdyn | !whine |
| 19:48.01 | dpkg | [whine] saying "I want you to hold my hand while I install debian because I'm too lazy to read the docs!" |
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| 19:48.16 | scwizard | ris: hence what I was saying about just updating your config management then rebuilding the thing |
| 19:48.29 | scwizard | although i guess if you're using it as a desktop |
| 19:48.32 | scwizard | then that's kinda moot |
| 19:48.54 | ris | valdyn: i forgot what a great channel this was |
| 19:49.09 | scwizard | like obviously you're not going to "apt-get dist upgrade" production and cross your fingers that's suicidal |
| 19:49.17 | ris | and yes, i read the docs fairly fully |
| 19:49.28 | ris | no of course |
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| 19:49.56 | srg | I use aptitude for my every-day package management |
| 19:50.00 | scwizard | brb burrito |
| 19:50.10 | srg | apt-get for dist-upgrades and such |
| 19:50.14 | scwizard | ahh so you're talking about upgrading a desktop |
| 19:50.24 | srg | yeah, my laptop is a desktop :-P |
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| 19:50.28 | ris | i am feeling the pull of nixos more heavily than ever |
| 19:50.50 | ris | which is a shame because debians packages are so much better |
| 19:50.56 | srg | returns to his java homework |
| 19:53.06 | ris | really it's the weird nu-desktop crap thats screwing me up |
| 19:53.19 | ris | ok going to test hibernating |
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| 19:55.25 | ris | hooray! |
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| 19:55.46 | ris | ok, thats one more thing that works |
| 19:55.59 | K-202 | any good tool for recovering files in linux? I deleted .c file by mistake. |
| 19:56.02 | ris | now suspend |
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| 19:56.27 | K-202 | This file was on /home/laptop/Desktop so I probably can't unmount / |
| 19:56.44 | ris | yes |
| 19:56.48 | ris | brilliant |
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| 19:58.49 | srg | K-202: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/80270/unix-linux-undelete-recover-deleted-files |
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| 20:10.30 | AndChat|181649 | Good evening folks... I've just installed Debian 8.1 via netinstall and I notice I cannot install nmap or openssh-server |
| 20:10.47 | srg | During the installer? or after? |
| 20:10.49 | AndChat|181649 | What is going on? I have to wrong repos? |
| 20:10.55 | AndChat|181649 | No after |
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| 20:11.01 | srg | pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:11.07 | AndChat|181649 | The installation is concluded now |
| 20:11.09 | greycat | what error do you get? |
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| 20:12.05 | AndChat|181649 | It does not find the package |
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| 20:12.26 | greycat | pastebin your exact command and output, and the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:12.50 | AndChat|181649 | Just a second please Im on my phone |
| 20:12.51 | AndChat|181649 | lphonelol |
| 20:13.05 | srg | We can tell by your nick :-P |
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| 20:18.08 | linux161 | hello |
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| 20:18.43 | linux161 | i downloaded the new debian i had 7 before i think, new version they removed option for transparent background in terminal |
| 20:18.53 | VlanX | greycat, srg: I can only provide you guys a pic since I have no other access to the server in order to make a copy-paste: https://www.dropbox.com/s/wxjmjqksu6f2spv/20150609_221448.jpg?dl=0 |
| 20:18.59 | linux161 | hoe do i get it back and why would someone remove best feature |
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| 20:19.51 | acz32 | linux161: you didn't give enough information to help you. |
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| 20:19.58 | acz32 | DE, terminal emulator, etc |
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| 20:20.23 | linux161 | normal debian settings it come with gnome |
| 20:20.29 | linux161 | gnome terminal |
| 20:20.36 | greycat | VlanX: you are missing the non-security-patch Debian sources. |
| 20:20.51 | linux161 | how do ivget transparency back |
| 20:21.03 | greycat | VlanX: you need something like: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ jessie main contrib non-free |
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| 20:21.41 | linux161 | also |
| 20:21.42 | greycat | (choose an appropriate mirror, remove contrib and non-free if you object to those) |
| 20:21.46 | linux161 | wtf |
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| 20:22.26 | linux161 | when i do service 'name' restart it doesnt show feedbacj anymore it used to show started and stopped |
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| 20:23.02 | greycat | linux161: that's a difference between systemd and sysvinit, yes. |
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| 20:23.45 | linux161 | greycat what do yoi mean |
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| 20:24.58 | linux161 | i upgraded to new debian and nothing works |
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| 20:25.06 | linux161 | whats erong witht his shit |
| 20:25.26 | greycat | I mean, "systemctl restart service.name" is silent now. That's just how systemd works. |
| 20:25.29 | srg | linux161: try windows. Or read and figure out "what's wrong with that shit" |
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| 20:25.50 | linux161 | greycat i dont type that |
| 20:25.57 | srg | linux161: man systemctl |
| 20:26.06 | greycat | systemctl just sends a message to systemd saying "please restart this thing for me". systemctl does not wait around for that to occur, so it has no feedback to give you. |
| 20:26.07 | linux161 | i type service 'name' restart |
| 20:26.34 | phogg | linux161: But "service" uses systemctl, so you get its behavior |
| 20:26.55 | linux161 | why didbit ised to show me info from the service |
| 20:27.06 | linux161 | they remove all the goof features and release a shittier version |
| 20:27.07 | srg | because you used a different init system on the last version. |
| 20:27.16 | greycat | sysvinit is COMPLETELY different. |
| 20:27.20 | srg | linux161: become a developer and prevent those shitty things from being released! |
| 20:27.39 | phogg | I imagine a "service" wrapper for systemctl could be created which waits and provides feedback like that. |
| 20:27.43 | srg | goes now |
| 20:27.49 | greycat | It would have to wait some arbitary amount of time. |
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| 20:27.59 | greycat | arbitrary* |
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| 20:28.09 | esde | srg++ |
| 20:28.12 | linux161 | well |
| 20:28.16 | VlanX | greycat: great thank you! do I have to reboot or smth now? |
| 20:28.16 | acz32 | fyi linux161 was kicked from #archlinux yesterday for being an asshole and today he installed debian and surprise surprise, he's upset again |
| 20:28.21 | phogg | greycat: A mathematicians answer. It's arbitrary but "probably not" long. So, at the cost of sometimes hanging forever it could most of the time report and return in a few seconds. |
| 20:28.25 | linux161 | why didbthey change to systemctl from sysvinit |
| 20:28.29 | greycat | VlanX: apt-get update |
| 20:28.49 | phogg | linux161: sysvinit doesn't have any such thing |
| 20:28.49 | linux161 | acz32 youre retarded if you cant see why those retards kicked me |
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| 20:29.25 | linux161 | phogg hebjust said it did |
| 20:29.31 | phogg | linux161: FYI, it's not polite to use such aggressive language, swearing and so on. Try to avoid it; you'll make more friends. |
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| 20:29.54 | linux161 | on debian wheezy when i type service name restart it tells me if it worked, nrw debian doesnt |
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| 20:30.00 | linux161 | what is the issue there |
| 20:30.03 | acz32 | linux161: whatever you say. i'm just letting people know so they don't waste time on you like #archlinux and #linux did yesterday. you were kicked for using that kind of language and not following instructions |
| 20:30.03 | srg | linux161: Debian 8 (Jessie) was released with Systemd instead of sysvinit. |
| 20:30.06 | linux161 | why do they make things worse |
| 20:30.09 | linux161 | ok |
| 20:30.17 | srg | Debian 7 (wheezy) used sysvinit. |
| 20:30.22 | linux161 | so sysvinitndoes what i want? |
| 20:30.35 | srg | Debian 9 (stretch) uses systemd as well. In fact, many linux distros are switchign to systemd. |
| 20:30.39 | babilen | dpkg: tell linux161 -about jessie sysvinit |
| 20:30.58 | greycat | If what you want is hand-holding reassurance feedback from a broken init system that, gosh darn it, it's doing the best it can, then yes. Wheezy does "what you want". |
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| 20:31.19 | babilen | linux161: Or learn about how to use systemd effectively. Start with: http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/systemd-for-admins-1.html |
| 20:31.37 | linux161 | wait wtf.... |
| 20:31.43 | linux161 | theres a newer version out? |
| 20:32.09 | greycat | No, debian 9 is currently "testing" and is nowhere close to release. |
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| 20:32.20 | greycat | Debian 8 is only ~6 weeks old. |
| 20:32.44 | linux161 | ok well |
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| 20:32.54 | linux161 | what is wrong eith tor |
| 20:33.03 | linux161 | on debian 8 |
| 20:33.23 | linux161 | i downloaded tor and it doesnt have right torsocks |
| 20:33.48 | srg | If you use the package manager, all that will be handled for you. |
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| 20:34.33 | linux161 | well |
| 20:34.48 | babilen | linux161: And please stop the whining and try to be a bit happier about the fact that a lot of people spend a lot of their time developing Debian. If there is an actual problem then please be precise and provide detailed information about the actual problem. This is a technical support channel. Lets treat it like that. |
| 20:34.52 | VlanX | greycat: thanks buddy all perfect now :) |
| 20:35.15 | linux161 | yeah they made debian eorse nothing works now |
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| 20:35.26 | srg | linux161: You have the freedom of not using Debian. |
| 20:35.37 | the_other_cat | Hi there. After reinstalling debian (stable) + restoring backup, no window manager seems to work. Short cursur blinking, then back to GUI login screen. ~/.xsession-errors is empty. Where are the errors logged? |
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| 20:35.47 | acz32 | he was saying the same thing yesterday about archlinux until they kicked him. i say we send him to #fedora next and let them deal with him |
| 20:35.59 | srg | lol |
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| 20:36.38 | esde | nah just send him to gentoo and get it over with |
| 20:36.42 | linux161 | acz you don't know why i was kicked fucking idiot |
| 20:37.05 | acz32 | lol |
| 20:37.14 | greycat | Regardless of your behavior elsewhere, your behavior HERE is not very good so far. |
| 20:37.15 | srg | I can't imagine why either. |
| 20:37.23 | srg | actually goes this time. |
| 20:37.29 | asterismo_m | wow |
| 20:37.33 | greycat | But I'd ask the rest of you not to feed the troll. |
| 20:38.11 | asterismo_m | ho ppl |
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| 20:38.47 | asterismo_m | should i configure a bios raid or software raid in debian? |
| 20:39.01 | NoImNotNineVolt | anything but fakeraid. |
| 20:39.11 | NoImNotNineVolt | triple check your raid controller to make sure that it's real raid. |
| 20:39.19 | NoImNotNineVolt | because fakeraid is the worst of all possible worlds. |
| 20:39.25 | asterismo_m | NoImNotNineVolt: really? |
| 20:39.31 | NoImNotNineVolt | emphatically yes. |
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| 20:39.54 | NoImNotNineVolt | if it's not real hardware raid, go with software. because fakeraid is the destroyer of worlds. |
| 20:39.57 | asterismo_m | lenovo thinkserver ts140 |
| 20:40.02 | asterismo_m | intel xeon |
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| 20:40.27 | babilen | linux161: Please don't insult people in here |
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| 20:41.17 | asterismo_m | is intel fakeraid that bad? |
| 20:41.30 | towo` | all fakeraid are bad |
| 20:41.32 | NoImNotNineVolt | i've stated my opinion. anyone else? |
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| 20:42.48 | asterismo_m2 | sorry i fell |
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| 20:46.08 | asterismo_m2 | lenovo thinkserver ts140, is this raid trustworthy? |
| 20:46.25 | asterismo_m2 | how to chech hard raid controller? |
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| 20:49.19 | asterismo_m2 | anyone? |
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| 20:51.57 | juniorsa | hi - I'm installing debian 8 on a system with 2 3TB drives I setup raid1 but it fails when it tries to install grub |
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| 21:00.32 | linuxthefish | huge thanks to the guys on the debian-security mailing list! |
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| 21:04.46 | Circuitsoft | Hello. I'm trying to use lxc application containers under Jessie, but it's much easier to set up with sysvinit than systemd. |
| 21:05.03 | Circuitsoft | I still like/want systemd for my host system, I just want to install sysvinit to make it available to lxc containers. |
| 21:05.05 | Circuitsoft | Is this possible? |
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| 21:05.49 | Owner__ | http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/How_to_remove_systemd_from_a_Debian_jessie/sid_installation |
| 21:06.03 | greycat | That doesn't sound like the answer to that question. |
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| 21:06.18 | Owner__ | maybe if he runs it on his container |
| 21:06.36 | greycat | I don't pretend to understand "containers", but he clearly wanted to KEEP systemd installed. |
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| 21:06.53 | Owner__ | greycat, ok so he can keep it, and remove it from containers |
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| 21:07.02 | Circuitsoft | I'm trying to use an Application Container, which bind-mounts /bin and related from the host filesystem to the continer's rootfs. |
| 21:07.10 | Owner__ | its better to just remove it completely though, imo |
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| 21:07.29 | Owner__ | Circuitsoft, then you will have to do something else |
| 21:07.30 | greycat | You realize that legacy init.d scripts will still run under systemd, right? |
| 21:07.51 | greycat | Even /etc/rc.local still works. |
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| 21:08.05 | Circuitsoft | greycat: Yes - the problem is that systemd does a lot of setup, when unconfigured, that is not necessary, and partially destructive, in a container. |
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| 21:08.50 | Circuitsoft | What I need my init system to do is: run dhcp on eth0 and start sshd. That's it. |
| 21:08.52 | Owner__ | cant you just write your own init and make the container use it |
| 21:09.20 | Circuitsoft | I could, but I'm also trying to learn containers, and make use of the container templates that lxc comes with. |
| 21:09.35 | Circuitsoft | I'm not confident enough to go without a container yet. |
| 21:09.43 | Circuitsoft | *without a template |
| 21:11.29 | Brigo | anybody knows where can i ask about a problem with a sata controller? |
| 21:11.48 | Owner__ | -d,--disable_units disable systemd services, comma-separated list |
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| 21:17.23 | VlanX | I'm having a problem with PCI passthru in Debian: Unable to complete install: 'unsupported configuration: host doesn't support passthrough of host PCI devices' |
| 21:17.32 | VlanX | could anyone help me? |
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| 21:22.49 | Circuitsoft | VlanX: What is your processor and kernel command line? |
| 21:22.53 | Circuitsoft | On the hos? |
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| 21:26.50 | gryf | hey there. gotta a problem on a network. I want to know which computer eat's all the bandwith. Is there some kind of "nethogs" for routers ? |
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| 21:30.08 | SPF | gryf: you can try mirror the port on the switch one by one (look with tcpdump) until you find the culprit |
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| 21:30.29 | VlanX | Circuitsoft: sorry my bad I didnt know I was supposed to run sudo update-grub after adding the intel_iommu=on paramente in GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT |
| 21:30.38 | VlanX | now all works like a charm :) |
| 21:30.45 | gryf | SPF: is there tools noob friendly or is there only the way you describe to make things properly ? |
| 21:30.51 | gryf | Never tried what you did x) |
| 21:31.19 | Circuitsoft | VlanX: If my question caused you to look at that, then I've succeeded. |
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| 21:37.05 | VlanX | Circuitsoft: I appreciate your help but actually I figured out slightly before :P I knew I was supposed to look at the grub config, but I was not 100% sure because it's been all day I'm dealing with openSuse bugs :D |
| 21:37.24 | Circuitsoft | Ah. Fair enough. |
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| 21:48.59 | linuxthefish | how can i get rid of resolvconf? |
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| 21:50.00 | teraflop | linuxthefish: can you elaborate? |
| 21:50.39 | asterismo | hi ppl |
| 21:50.52 | linuxthefish | i've commented out everything in resolvconf.conf, and uninstalled the package but it still keeps editing resolv.conf |
| 21:51.08 | asterismo | i'm dealing with an Intel Xeon Lenovo ThinkServer TS-140 BIOS RAID |
| 21:51.17 | linuxthefish | i don't want DNS servers from DHCP or interface configuration... |
| 21:51.23 | asterismo | need help on migrating it to software raid |
| 21:51.26 | asterismo | please |
| 21:52.42 | teraflop | linuxthefish: what is still editing resolv.conf? |
| 21:53.06 | linuxthefish | teraflop resolvconf |
| 21:53.10 | at0m|c | asterismo: before please, please that the problem |
| 21:53.14 | at0m|c | -that |
| 21:53.28 | at0m|c | err s/that/state |
| 21:53.31 | linuxthefish | "# Generated by resolvconf" |
| 21:53.44 | at0m|c | ok i had my time on irc today :D |
| 21:54.47 | teraflop | linuxthefish: if you do not want its content to be generated just chattr -i |
| 21:55.11 | asterismo | at0m|c: i have a server running a lot of stuff, apache, irc, ssh, sslh, ftp, ntp... and it is installed on a fake raid |
| 21:55.13 | jhutchins | linuxthefish: There's some pretty good documentation on how to set static DNS and override anything resolvconf does - just trying to disable anything ain't it - as you've found. It defaults to doing it's job. |
| 21:55.18 | asterismo | in a Lenovo ThinkServer TS-140 BIOS RAID |
| 21:55.28 | jhutchins | teraflop: That's not correct either. |
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| 21:55.54 | asterismo | so i want to migrate it to software raid since it seems to be a better option |
| 21:56.00 | teraflop | jhutchins: what is not correct? |
| 21:56.40 | jhutchins | teraflop: Because the system is meant to re-write that file. https://rbgeek.wordpress.com/2012/09/13/how-to-add-static-dns-in-ubuntu-12-04-lts/ |
| 21:57.18 | teraflop | jhutchins: then tell hom to configure proerly his dhcp server or use dnsmask os systemd-resolvd i just give a shor answer to his question |
| 21:57.36 | teraflop | jhutchins: even using inmutable bit? |
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| 21:57.50 | teraflop | i dont think so |
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| 21:57.59 | teraflop | s/hom/him |
| 21:59.02 | teraflop | sorry for my typos |
| 21:59.12 | the_other_cat | Hey, sorry for reasking. I restored a backup of my home folder to a fresh jessie installation. The default login manager comes up, but login fails - cursor blinks short and then i'm back to login manager. No logs in .xsession-errors. Where do the logs go? |
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| 22:07.24 | asterismo | anyone? |
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| 22:08.25 | jadne | pokes asterismo |
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| 22:08.49 | valdyn | the_other_cat: I think that depends on your login manager. gdm3 would go to the systemd journal |
| 22:09.29 | asterismo | jadne: |
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| 22:10.04 | jadne | yes? |
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| 22:10.45 | valdyn | the_other_cat: try: journalctl /etc/gdm3/Xsession |
| 22:10.45 | jadne | if anyone around is versed with debian packaging i again have debian packaging questions - like, why do the files in my package not actually get included in the resulting tarball? |
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| 22:15.23 | SynrGy | jadne: a little shy on details. and in general, #debian-mentors @ irc.oftc.net is the place for such questions |
| 22:15.36 | jadne | SynrGy: oh that is really useful, thank you. |
| 22:15.44 | jadne | a bnch of the channels that were listed on the wiki are just not there anymore |
| 22:15.58 | SynrGy | really? |
| 22:16.14 | SynrGy | jadne: you know, irc.oftc.net is not this network, right? |
| 22:16.26 | SynrGy | it's the official debian irc network (aka irc.debian.org) |
| 22:16.37 | jadne | SynrGy: i did not know actually |
| 22:16.37 | SynrGy | maybe you're just looking on the wrong network |
| 22:17.15 | SynrGy | the wiki page should be explicit about saying which network these channels are on |
| 22:17.40 | SynrGy | if it's not, that should be fixed. |
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| 22:23.19 | asterismo | should i backup all system folders and /boot frolder and then replace those in fresh installatin for restore a server and its configs? |
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| 22:28.15 | jadne | SynrGy: yeah i would like to change the wiki a bunch of ways really |
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| 22:36.22 | asterismo | should i backup all system folders and /boot frolder and then replace those in fresh installatin for restore a server and its configs? |
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| 22:37.06 | darryn | guys, i screwed up, i need help |
| 22:37.45 | mtn | !ask |
| 22:37.45 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 22:40.30 | darryn | I am running debian testing. cinnamon kept crashing to fallback, so I thought to reinstall cinnamon. So I "apt-get install -f cinnamon" then "apt-get install cinnamon" and saw a lot of packages that where no longer being used. So I "apt-get autoremove" and now things like libreoffice are gone, and I the login prompt won't show up to have me select my enviroment. So here I am, stuck in a tty... |
| 22:42.11 | SynrGy | jadne: so, ... change it? |
| 22:42.20 | polyphagia | pretty sure you uninstalled gnome-core |
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| 22:42.32 | polyphagia | and all of the packages it contained |
| 22:43.10 | darryn | Does this mean all configs are lost, so I have to manually setup the login prompt etc.? |
| 22:43.17 | FuZi0N | I have 2x3TB drives, and a fresh install of debian 7. Is it a bad idea to mount both drives in the / root directory? |
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| 22:44.58 | darryn | it probably was the cinnamon-desktop-enviroment, no? |
| 22:45.02 | FuZi0N | Usually I've seen most people mount it in /mnt but always wondered by not just the / root directory... |
| 22:45.18 | RoyK | FuZi0N: want to mirror them? |
| 22:45.24 | FuZi0N | no |
| 22:45.46 | FuZi0N | i want to take advantage of the full 6tb so no RAID |
| 22:45.47 | RoyK | FuZi0N: better setup a small mirror for the root and boot and use the rest as you wish |
| 22:46.19 | RoyK | say, 2x1GB for /boot and 2x30GB for / and then setup raid0 for the rest |
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| 22:46.55 | RoyK | FuZi0N: then when a drive dies, at least, you have the config files and the installation |
| 22:47.26 | RoyK | (not *if* a drie dies, *when*) |
| 22:47.34 | RoyK | (not *if* a drive dies, *when*) |
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| 22:48.02 | darryn | It's scary, I have never had a drive fail on me... |
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| 22:48.33 | RoyK | darryn: hehe - I've been working with storage for almost 20 years - drives die - it's in their nature |
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| 22:49.17 | darryn | I cannot comprehend... I am only 20 lol |
| 22:49.38 | RoyK | darryn: just take my word for it - don't trust a drive |
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| 22:49.55 | darryn | Should I hire someone to watch it 24/7? |
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| 22:49.56 | nkuttler | don't trust a raid either. a raid is not a backup |
| 22:50.21 | RoyK | nkuttler: a raid protects somewhat for drive failure |
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| 22:50.36 | RoyK | nkuttler: it doesn't protect from human failuers |
| 22:50.39 | darryn | What is a viable way to backup a laptop ssd? |
| 22:50.47 | nkuttler | RoyK: if somewhat is good enough for you, you're somewhat protected, right |
| 22:51.10 | nkuttler | RoyK: it also doesn't protect from hardware failures. only somewhat. anyway |
| 22:51.17 | RoyK | nkuttler: I always use raid setups *and* external backup |
| 22:51.26 | nkuttler | RoyK: good for you |
| 22:51.27 | RoyK | nkuttler: I wasn't born yesterday ;) |
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| 22:51.46 | nkuttler | darryn: depends on your needs. bacula, backuppc, rsync, etc |
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| 22:51.54 | darryn | feeling the friction |
| 22:52.01 | RoyK | darryn: some cloud backup? crashplan works for most, although it's rather slow |
| 22:52.20 | darryn | Rather keep my data on earth, where I have controll |
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| 22:52.31 | RoyK | just etup a bareos backup system |
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| 22:52.48 | shishire | So all of a sudden, my computer stopped identifying .jnlp files as application/x-java-jnlp-file. application/x-java-jnlp-file's will open with the correct application, but shishire@achilles:~$ file Downloads/viewer.jnlp<LF>Downloads/viewer.jnlp: XML document text |
| 22:52.49 | RoyK | 80 tape LTO6 robot |
| 22:52.53 | Guest45833 | i need more time to set up my javaFX, later can some one help...around 1:00AM. |
| 22:53.53 | RoyK | darryn: just wonted to give the kid some suggestions - you don't have room for bacula/bareos on most home setups |
| 22:54.34 | darryn | anyone use irssi? how do I disable the "disconnection" messages? Is it serverside? |
| 22:54.44 | darryn | and what is bacula? |
| 22:54.47 | RoyK | probably |
| 22:55.12 | RoyK | darryn: somewhat opensource backup system, I used it earlier, moved to bareos |
| 22:55.20 | RoyK | darryn: not suitable for home stuff |
| 22:55.41 | RoyK | darryn: we use it for 50TiB or so of data with tape in the back |
| 22:55.43 | darryn | must be open source |
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| 22:55.53 | darryn | Where do you work? |
| 22:55.58 | darryn | wait |
| 22:56.01 | darryn | what do you do |
| 22:56.04 | RoyK | darryn: bacula is split license, bareos is a bacula fork |
| 22:56.11 | darryn | that is more apropriate |
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| 22:56.29 | RoyK | I work with computing, server side, storage, blabla, at hioa.no |
| 22:56.59 | darryn | Norway? |
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| 22:57.03 | RoyK | mhm |
| 22:57.09 | darryn | Hej! |
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| 22:57.22 | RoyK | hej, från sverige? ;) |
| 22:57.41 | darryn | Nope, just learned a little sweddish |
| 22:57.46 | RoyK | hehe |
| 22:57.54 | darryn | and a little norwegian |
| 22:58.01 | darryn | enough to find the bathroom |
| 22:58.25 | darryn | Was supposed to go to Sweden for school this summer, but alas, money |
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| 22:58.43 | RoyK | darryn: where from? |
| 22:59.03 | darryn | Scandinavia is my dream place to be |
| 22:59.08 | RoyK | hm... about 100 servers ok from bareos backup |
| 22:59.13 | darryn | No other than the usa |
| 22:59.41 | darryn | I'll move to europe someday. Probably french, since I speak french. |
| 22:59.55 | RoyK | canadian? |
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| 23:00.18 | darryn | United States. |
| 23:00.34 | RoyK | where in the US? |
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| 23:00.43 | darryn | Learned French, some Norwegian and Swedish. |
| 23:00.47 | darryn | Indiana |
| 23:00.53 | RoyK | ok |
| 23:01.04 | RoyK | så hvis jeg snakker norsk, så forstår du litt? |
| 23:01.32 | asterismo | hi people |
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| 23:01.43 | asterismo | i desperate need help to deal with my server |
| 23:01.57 | darryn | Just a little |
| 23:02.00 | asterismo | i have to migrate a fakeRAID yo a softRAID debian server |
| 23:02.03 | RoyK | !ask | asterismo |
| 23:02.39 | asterismo | si i need to know how is the best way to backup the server and restore it to a new install in a software raid system |
| 23:02.55 | darryn | I understand written better than spoken |
| 23:02.58 | RoyK | asterismo: last I checked it wa pretty hard |
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| 23:04.00 | darryn | Royk: Do you program too? |
| 23:04.24 | RoyK | if I have too |
| 23:04.26 | RoyK | if I have to |
| 23:04.30 | RoyK | but rarely |
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| 23:04.34 | darryn | What language? |
| 23:04.46 | RoyK | some perl things, some hacking bareos (C) |
| 23:04.56 | RoyK | some python, bash scripting |
| 23:05.01 | darryn | Thought about learning perl |
| 23:05.01 | RoyK | php if in the need |
| 23:05.05 | darryn | gross |
| 23:05.06 | Guest45833 | me too |
| 23:05.14 | RoyK | python is in the game now |
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| 23:05.24 | RoyK | better stick to python |
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| 23:05.31 | asterismo | anyone? |
| 23:05.34 | RoyK | I don't like it, but a lot of people do |
| 23:05.42 | asterismo | i use this to backup the server, is this ok? |
| 23:05.43 | asterismo | https://paste.debian.net/217324/ |
| 23:05.52 | darryn | I know C++, Scheme, and some Ocaml. Should I learn python? |
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| 23:07.12 | RoyK | asterismo: we even use dirvish |
| 23:07.17 | RoyK | asterismo: works well |
| 23:07.24 | Zero_Chaos | what mounts /run /run/shm and /run/lock if I'm not using the debian initrd? I have a debian chroot in android. |
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| 23:08.03 | Guest45833 | make hooks |
| 23:08.03 | RoyK | darryn: if you know c++, C isn't far off |
| 23:08.20 | StanleyGoodman | how do I list displays? I am trying to start iceweasel/palemoon in a chroot base debian install |
| 23:08.34 | RoyK | darryn: but C is down in the matter, no garbage collection, nothing more than you write |
| 23:08.34 | darryn | I cannot find materially on C for C++ers |
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| 23:08.47 | darryn | Good |
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| 23:09.02 | StanleyGoodman | when I try, it says "error: no display specified". then when I put "export DISPLAY=:0" it says "error: cannot open display: :0" |
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| 23:09.22 | SynrG | StanleyGoodman: the chroot generally cannot communicate with your display because it doesn't know about the Xorg running outside |
| 23:09.22 | RoyK | darryn: if you malloc(1); - that byte stays - and is lost if you don't deallocate it |
| 23:09.54 | darryn | I have to learn more about memory |
| 23:10.26 | RoyK | darryn: from the OS'es point of view, of from below that? |
| 23:10.28 | SynrG | StanleyGoodman: not saying it can't be done. but that's the basic problem |
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| 23:10.57 | StanleyGoodman | synrG: is it possible to do so without causing me security issues? |
| 23:11.13 | RoyK | darryn: learning C is like learning assembly, somehow, only smarter |
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| 23:12.31 | StanleyGoodman | synrG: the guide I am using has told me to use schroot -p when entering the root.... I have always left out the -p due to it being unnecessary. Is that the issue? |
| 23:12.43 | StanleyGoodman | https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-desktop-74/running-browser-as-a-different-user-in-a-chroot-778362/ |
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| 23:14.38 | bmomjian | Why does this output 'foobar' on Debian Squeeze? It should be 'foob': awk 'BEGIN {printf "%.4s", "foobar"}' |
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| 23:15.05 | darryn | Back |
| 23:15.25 | darryn | So, would C be hard for a c++er? |
| 23:15.32 | RoyK | not really |
| 23:15.49 | darryn | brb |
| 23:16.00 | RoyK | but for a cpluser, you'll have to be careful about what you allocate |
| 23:16.20 | RoyK | if you allocate 1MB in C, there's no garbage collector doing the job |
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| 23:16.48 | RoyK | possibly there's no in the c++ land either, I don't know |
| 23:17.11 | StanleyGoodman | what is your "user environment"? |
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| 23:18.11 | RoyK | StanleyGoodman: lots of small electronics around, a soldering iron, a can of beer, why so? |
| 23:18.25 | StanleyGoodman | lol |
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| 23:19.47 | StanleyGoodman | mine is just a bunch of guns, persian rugs, and reefer plants. no soldering iron or beer in the near vicinity. but that's not what I mean. |
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| 23:20.08 | StanleyGoodman | I'm talking about schroot --preserve-environment, which "preserves the user's environment" |
| 23:20.40 | RoyK | StanleyGoodman: oh, a true american that wants to stay tough and shoot whatever comes close? |
| 23:20.48 | digitalvaldosta | I need help with a system that has a LUKS encrypted HDD that stops at Busybox initramfs after entering passphrase |
| 23:20.57 | digitalvaldosta | I have tried:https://askubuntu.com/questions/137655/boot-drops-to-a-initramfs-prompts-busybox |
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| 23:21.13 | digitalvaldosta | and checking the partition with Drives |
| 23:21.13 | bmomjian | Ah, export LC_ALL=C fixes this known awk bug |
| 23:21.32 | RoyK | bmomjian: perl? |
| 23:21.36 | digitalvaldosta | But that is not available to check |
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| 23:21.55 | bmomjian | nope, known Squeeze awk bug |
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| 23:22.01 | digitalvaldosta | I can "unlock" the drive in the "Drives" app. but nothing more than that |
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| 23:22.09 | bmomjian | oh, I ended up just using printf from the shell, rather than awk |
| 23:22.14 | bmomjian | much quicker anyway |
| 23:22.20 | StanleyGoodman | no I'm paranoid about banks using their fractional reserves to fund indebted tyranical governments that might kick down my door - thus, I am looking to chroot my browser - but I can't get it to access my Xorg and I'm wondering if adding --preserve-environment will help |
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| 23:23.44 | SynrG | StanleyGoodman: the 'environment' does not include things like unix sockets |
| 23:24.03 | SynrG | those are a part of the filesystem of the system outside the chroot |
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| 23:24.52 | StanleyGoodman | so... could I make a hard link to those then? I'd like to do this in the most security paranoid way possible - and that said, I am from windows |
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| 23:26.04 | crayon | any way for me to create a script that nukes local user accounts not accessed in the last 90 days? |
| 23:27.25 | jhutchins | teraflop: It's better to learn how to work with the system than to try and force it. It's not the DHCP server or dnsmasq that needs to be configured, it's the resolvconf system. |
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| 23:28.54 | asterismo | so, does anyone knows if this backup, actually backs up the server? then restore it will work as before? https://paste.debian.net/217324/ |
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| 23:29.17 | StanleyGoodman | alright, this may be the reason I can't access the display. I intentionally skipped one section of the guide. I skipped mounting /tmp /dev and /proc within the chroot |
| 23:30.09 | StanleyGoodman | I just skipped it because I found it overly broad and figured it would bring security issues - if that is in fact the issue, then how can I get access to my display while being less overreaching? |
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| 23:31.34 | SynrG | StanleyGoodman: hard link? well, bind mounts are generally how you make stuff visible inside the chroot, yes |
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| 23:31.54 | SynrG | i can't give you a step-by-step. i've not tried this ... |
| 23:32.03 | SynrG | Xorg has a lot of moving parts |
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| 23:41.45 | darryn | Back |
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| 23:42.05 | SynrG | StanleyGoodman: maybe https://lists.debian.org/debian-bsd/2011/08/msg00076.html helps? |
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| 23:57.51 | StanleyGoodman | SynrG, that looks good. I notice a couple things I can do there, including the specific mount and install X-11-utils in the chroot |
