| 00:00.11 | at0m|c | JohnnyL: I'd first fdisk and create a partition /dev/mmcblk0p1 then format that. for timing, anything between 5s and a minute? |
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| 00:01.47 | JohnnyL | wow okay. i've been waiting 25 minutes so far. |
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| 00:06.04 | woshty | Is anyone running networkmanager with wifi on jessie using ipv4 without problems? |
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| 00:14.14 | rommel092079 | good morning. I cannot ping the hostname of my debian server on the LAN. How can I ping it ? |
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| 00:14.29 | ragnar76 | hi all |
| 00:15.06 | ragnar76 | i've just installed debian 8 and i miss the colors from $PS1. How do i get them back? |
| 00:15.39 | ragnar76 | sure, i could fiddle around by myself in bashrc but why was disabled? |
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| 00:17.17 | JohnnyL | new microsd card... doesn't show up in fdisk and dmesg reveals: http://pastebin.com/F0C5mPZt any ideas? |
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| 00:18.49 | JohnnyL | shit.. is dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mmcblk0 ok? |
| 00:19.05 | shay_shay | bs=1MiB |
| 00:19.23 | ragnar76 | JohnnyL: if i have such problems with sd cards, i put them in a mobile phone or any camera and let them format the card |
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| 00:20.01 | shay_shay | thought sdcards were obsolete along with optical discs |
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| 00:20.42 | PryMar56 | rommel092079, echo '127.0.0.2 myhost' >> /etc/hosts |
| 00:20.47 | woshty | rommel092079: what are you asking exactly: how to be able to ping your using its hostname or how to ping your server another way - which would mean using its IP? |
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| 00:22.39 | shay_shay | he wants a dns server |
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| 01:03.58 | cyph3x | test |
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| 01:14.27 | FunkyBob | morning all |
| 01:14.34 | cyph3x | morning man |
| 01:14.36 | FunkyBob | just trying to install on my brand new laptop... |
| 01:14.50 | FunkyBob | seems it requires firmware for the wifi :/ |
| 01:15.30 | FunkyBob | this appears to contain what it asks for : https://packages.debian.org/sid/firmware-iwlwifi |
| 01:15.36 | cyph3x | yeah.. wifi on laptops are hit or miss, i would definitely google your wifi card and check to see if there have been drivers made for it |
| 01:15.39 | FunkyBob | should I just grab the deb, stick it on a USB stick, and plug it in? |
| 01:16.05 | FunkyBob | it says it needs iwlwifi-7260-9.ucode iwlwifi-7260-8.ucode |
| 01:16.08 | cyph3x | mm you could, you might also add that to your sources.list file and then apt-get install it |
| 01:16.21 | cyph3x | /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:16.24 | FunkyBob | ... I can't apt-get install it... I'm trying to install the OS now |
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| 01:16.38 | RoyK | cyph3x: a bit hard if you don't have network access ;) |
| 01:16.58 | cyph3x | true, sorry i was assuming you were on it, just plugged in with RJ45 |
| 01:16.58 | FunkyBob | so... do I just provide it the deb, or do I need to unpack it from the deb? |
| 01:17.15 | FunkyBob | no, I'm currently on the macbook air I'm trying to escape from |
| 01:17.19 | RoyK | cyph3x: a lot of laptops don't have wired networking these days :P |
| 01:18.05 | RoyK | FunkyBob: just dpkg -i whatever.dev |
| 01:18.17 | RoyK | FunkyBob: just dpkg -i whatever.deb, even |
| 01:18.23 | FunkyBob | ? |
| 01:18.46 | cyph3x | RoyK: man, i must be running on some old shit for sure. |
| 01:18.53 | RoyK | FunkyBob: dpkg -i <name of deb file> |
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| 01:19.31 | RoyK | cyph3x: hehe - I have a 3yo macbook pro retina and it only connects to wired network with an adapter ;) |
| 01:19.49 | FunkyBob | so... switch to vt2, run that, and continue with the install? |
| 01:20.43 | FunkyBob | I'm still in the installer... |
| 01:23.18 | cyph3x | RoyK: Yeah I knew MB's don't have an RJ45 port.. Im on an HP elitebook thats like a solid inch and a half thick. plenty of room for just about any port. it also weighs 1000lbs. |
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| 01:24.06 | RoyK | hehe |
| 01:24.30 | RoyK | when "portable" becomes "transporatable" |
| 01:25.55 | FunkyBob | I'll take that as a "we don't know" |
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| 01:27.04 | RoyK | FunkyBob: just install the base OS first |
| 01:27.21 | RoyK | FunkyBob: just use cd1, not network install |
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| 01:37.30 | quixote_ | any info on when forums.debian.net might come back up? |
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| 01:46.49 | FunkyBob | so, I stick the deb on another USB key, plug it in, and it's all happy... |
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| 02:13.19 | shay_shay | FunkyBob: it worked? |
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| 02:16.55 | FunkyBob | shay_shay: yes, but I had to manually remount the "cdrom" [original USB] before it could continue |
| 02:17.31 | FunkyBob | it's now retrieving ~1500 packages |
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| 02:19.11 | hassoon | shouldn't find . -size 1033b -readable; list the files whose size is is 1033 byte and where they are human-readable ? |
| 02:19.40 | shay_shay | FunkyBob: just to be clear (I'm wondering because I never knew how to get it to work), you had to insert the USB with the deb on it and then dpkg -i it? |
| 02:20.35 | shay_shay | I always thought the installer wanted me to provide the loose driver on a USB stick because that's what the dialog said |
| 02:20.43 | FunkyBob | no, I just had to inserd the USB with the deb on it... but I had to remove the original install media first |
| 02:20.46 | shay_shay | it's poorly worded |
| 02:21.01 | FunkyBob | indeed |
| 02:21.09 | shay_shay | OK. so it wants a .deb, not the loose driver |
| 02:21.46 | shay_shay | I am going to file a bug report against the wording now that I know what it really means |
| 02:21.47 | FunkyBob | yes, the deb |
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| 02:21.52 | FunkyBob | sure |
| 02:22.20 | FunkyBob | I think its assumption was that I'd remove the "CD-ROM" ... plug in another with the file... it would install it, and I'd put the original "CD-ROM" back |
| 02:22.28 | FunkyBob | so removing the original usb was critical |
| 02:22.37 | FunkyBob | and replacing it was not so smooth |
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| 02:28.59 | shay_shay | FunkyBob: why not a second usb? |
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| 02:29.38 | FunkyBob | I did... it wouldn't recognise it.. I think it tries to mount it all as /cdrom ... |
| 02:29.46 | FunkyBob | it wouldn't recognise it until I unplugged the original |
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| 02:34.13 | shay_shay | you're the first person i ever met who got it to work |
| 02:34.16 | shay_shay | :D |
| 02:34.41 | shay_shay | you've cracked the mystery |
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| 02:37.20 | nezzario | Question.. Is there a way to copy a line from vim and paste into another terminal? Talking sans x11 here |
| 02:37.57 | FunkyBob | shay_shay: yay me! now I have to wait hours for the install... :/ |
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| 02:38.05 | FunkyBob | so much for this expensive 20M/20M net link |
| 02:38.16 | nezzario | Hours? |
| 02:38.35 | nezzario | I'm doing an install now I started 20m ago and it's almost done |
| 02:39.35 | FunkyBob | yeah, well |
| 02:39.44 | FunkyBob | 21% through... and the ETA is fluctuating wildly |
| 02:39.59 | FunkyBob | it's up to 10h 22min now |
| 02:40.03 | FunkyBob | it was 1h 25min before |
| 02:40.11 | somiaj | nezzario: select what you want to copy, hit middle mouse button in other terminal |
| 02:40.16 | shay_shay | FunkyBob: its likely almost done. did you get to the screen yet where it asks you what desktop you want? |
| 02:40.27 | shay_shay | FunkyBob: maybe you picked a bad mirror |
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| 02:41.00 | FunkyBob | yeah, it's at the Retrieving Files... and hjas asked me for desktop |
| 02:41.13 | shay_shay | then its almost done |
| 02:41.14 | FunkyBob | just picked ftp.au.debian... |
| 02:41.26 | FunkyBob | 908 of 1466 packages |
| 02:41.35 | FunkyBob | down to 40 mins... I mean 1h1m in... I mean 1h42... |
| 02:41.41 | FunkyBob | work network link is bollocks |
| 02:42.17 | shay_shay | huh |
| 02:42.20 | shay_shay | hmm |
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| 02:43.43 | nezzario | FunkyBob: next time you have a working system use netselect-apt to find your best mirror and remember it |
| 02:46.06 | FunkyBob | nezzario: I really don't think it's the mirror at fault |
| 02:46.25 | FunkyBob | we have multiple wifis here ... and I'm using the "public" one because I couldn't rmemeber the password to the "good" network |
| 02:46.29 | FunkyBob | so it's likely the cause |
| 02:46.39 | FunkyBob | but thanks for the tip |
| 02:47.00 | shay_shay | its better to select your mirror manually |
| 02:47.14 | shay_shay | netselect has false positives in my experience |
| 02:47.45 | shay_shay | one mirror which is momentarily faster but slower 99% of the time can end up getting selected |
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| 02:49.00 | FunkyBob | now down to 32mins.... |
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| 02:58.38 | shay_shay | :O |
| 02:58.48 | FunkyBob | now 40 mins |
| 02:58.54 | FunkyBob | 57 |
| 02:59.08 | shay_shay | it would be faster if your started over with a new mirror lol... unless your internet connection is really the bottleneck |
| 03:00.59 | FunkyBob | as I said... I don't believe it's the mirror |
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| 03:29.31 | macfreek | Does Debian use /etc/gai.conf? |
| 03:29.48 | macfreek | (jw because it is not present during installation |
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| 03:35.27 | somiaj | macfreek: what version of debian are you on, in sid it is part of the package libc-bin, so it should be tehre. |
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| 03:40.25 | macfreek | somiaj: jessie |
| 03:40.45 | macfreek | somiaj: i cant diable ipv6 either, because /etc/sysctl.conf is not present |
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| 03:42.11 | somiaj | macfreek: how did you install this system? |
| 03:42.28 | macfreek | somiaj: i'm in the process of installing... boot via flash drive |
| 03:42.46 | somiaj | the conffile /etc/syctl.conf is part of the procps |
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| 03:43.16 | somiaj | so you haven't finished unpacking and configuing the base packages yet? Let that finish, as conf files are creaded during the configuration process. |
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| 03:43.48 | macfreek | somiaj: ok, ill try tht |
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| 03:46.11 | macfreek | somiaj: why isnt ipv4 used as a fallback (e.g. ping www.google.com resolves to an unreachable ipv6 address, but it's reachable over ipv4)? |
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| 03:48.54 | somiaj | macfreek: works fine for me here. but I only use ipv4, no ipv6 |
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| 03:50.46 | macfreek | somiaj: here, ipv6 is supported within our network, but gateways wont pass it out... |
| 03:51.05 | macfreek | well, at least the gateway im using |
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| 03:52.11 | somiaj | macfreek: yea I'm unsure how routes work with both ipv4 and ipv6 networks available. |
| 03:55.25 | macfreek | somiaj: also, fwiw I let the base system install first, and sysctl is still not available. |
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| 03:55.58 | macfreek | (im at the stage where it asks if i want to use a network mirror) |
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| 03:57.55 | somiaj | macfreek: note you are running off the installer's kernel, not the installs yet, so until you reboot, changes you make to the target install won't effect the live system. I'm also unsure if the installer kernel has all th emodules loaded needed for sysctl, but I usually wait until after the install is compelte and I'm botted into teh system to start modifying things. |
| 03:58.34 | somiaj | macfreek: install a minimum system (you don't neven need the network to do this with the netinstall cd), then reboot into the minimial system, get the network working and isntall the rest of your software. |
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| 04:06.18 | FunkyBob | woot... it's finished downloading! |
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| 04:07.47 | FunkyBob | well, fuck... |
| 04:07.58 | FunkyBob | "Insert system disk in drive." |
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| 04:11.21 | FunkyBob | am going to assume grub didn't tkae for some reason... |
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| 04:17.04 | themill | !wayttd FunkyBob |
| 04:17.04 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, FunkyBob? |
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| 04:19.30 | FunkyBob | themill: I'm trying to install on my new laptop |
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| 04:19.53 | themill | grub isn't involved in the installer |
| 04:20.00 | FunkyBob | finally got through it [after having to supply wifi firmware] ... it's installed... but won't boot |
| 04:20.16 | themill | ahh, so you've completed the installation? |
| 04:20.21 | FunkyBob | yes |
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| 04:21.39 | FunkyBob | so.. have rebooted into "recovery" mode on the install media |
| 04:21.45 | themill | !fixgrub |
| 04:21.46 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
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| 04:22.09 | FunkyBob | thanks |
| 04:22.13 | themill | recovery mode does most of the first steps for you |
| 04:22.42 | FunkyBob | it doesn't appear to have mounted anything |
| 04:22.58 | FunkyBob | ah, it was waiting for me.... |
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| 04:27.45 | FunkyBob | ok... grub-install complains "cannot find EFI directory" |
| 04:27.59 | FunkyBob | now /dev/sda1 appears to have EFI/ in it, but I don't know where to mount it |
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| 04:31.04 | FunkyBob | ok... |
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| 04:33.23 | daurnimator | E: Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/w/weechat/weechat-core_1.2-1_amd64.deb Size mismatch |
| 04:33.31 | daurnimator | ^^ anyone know what's wrong with that? |
| 04:35.14 | daurnimator | or have access to the server to fix it? |
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| 04:37.26 | themill | if it is indeed a problem with the mirror and not a connection issue between you and it, it will be sorted in the next mirror pulse |
| 04:37.45 | FunkyBob | themill: ok, have worked through those steps... and still now joy :/ |
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| 04:38.55 | themill | FunkyBob: I know little about EFI... do you need to enable a boot menu in your firmware somehow? |
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| 04:41.06 | squisher | FunkyBob, you need to have /boot/efi be the mountpoint for the efi partition |
| 04:41.19 | FunkyBob | squisher: yes, got that... thanks |
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| 04:42.21 | squisher | FunkyBob, it's a headache with efi but usually manageable |
| 04:42.32 | squisher | kinda how I feel about systemd X) /me kicks it |
| 04:42.37 | FunkyBob | :) |
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| 04:42.51 | FunkyBob | will go through the config options... see if anything shows |
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| 04:55.31 | FunkyBob | nope... no joy... am following https://wiki.debian.org/GrubEFIReinstall ... still nothing win |
| 04:55.45 | FunkyBob | however, Problem 2 seems to fit |
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| 04:58.39 | FunkyBob | or not.... :/ |
| 05:04.45 | FunkyBob | well, changing the boot order with efibootmgr didn't help |
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| 05:18.11 | FunkyBob | SUCCESS |
| 05:18.26 | FunkyBob | seems it was actually Problem 1 on https://wiki.debian.org/GrubEFIReinstall |
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| 06:05.17 | FunkyBob | shay_shay: :) |
| 06:05.38 | FunkyBob | should probably post somewhere that this works for this model of Kirabook |
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| 06:06.07 | shay_shay | kirabook |
| 06:06.21 | FunkyBob | Toshiba Kirobook Touch |
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| 06:09.27 | shay_shay | FunkyBob: https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn |
| 06:11.37 | FunkyBob | cheers |
| 06:12.15 | FunkyBob | ok... next problem... |
| 06:12.24 | FunkyBob | plugged in monitor... main screen went blank :/ |
| 06:13.02 | shay_shay | gnome 3? |
| 06:13.23 | FunkyBob | yes |
| 06:13.47 | shay_shay | in the settings there's a way of reconfiguring that behavior |
| 06:13.52 | FunkyBob | unplugged it, screen didn't come back... |
| 06:13.56 | shay_shay | oh |
| 06:13.59 | FunkyBob | switched to vt1 and back, all good |
| 06:14.17 | shay_shay | huh :/ |
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| 06:14.32 | FunkyBob | tried again... all good |
| 06:14.41 | shay_shay | I'm sure you'll figure it out |
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| 06:15.00 | FunkyBob | heh |
| 06:15.16 | FunkyBob | well, I guess your confidence in me is based on observation, |
| 06:15.56 | shay_shay | well you did figure out the driver thing in the installer |
| 06:16.06 | shay_shay | and your poor efi implementation |
| 06:16.24 | FunkyBob | well... now I think there's a HiDPI issue |
| 06:16.40 | FunkyBob | move this window to the external monitor, and everything is HOOOGE |
| 06:16.44 | shay_shay | hidpi in gnome 3 really means 4k |
| 06:17.08 | FunkyBob | all looks fine on this 2560x1440 ... but not on the 1080x1200 |
| 06:17.09 | shay_shay | qHD screens are Luke warm |
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| 06:18.13 | shay_shay | gnome 3 looks good on qHD but not on HD? |
| 06:18.21 | shay_shay | is that what you mean? |
| 06:18.30 | shay_shay | I agree, widgets are kinda big |
| 06:18.47 | FunkyBob | it looks good on the 2560x1440 (13") ... but oversized on the 1920x1200 (24") |
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| 06:19.35 | shay_shay | I have a qHD monitor 27" and a 13" @ 1080p.. and it looks fine on either |
| 06:20.04 | shay_shay | but my friend has a HD @ 26" and everything looks big to me |
| 06:20.21 | shay_shay | HD == 1080p |
| 06:20.24 | FunkyBob | what's qHD? |
| 06:20.37 | shay_shay | qHD == 1440p |
| 06:20.45 | FunkyBob | 2560x1440? |
| 06:20.52 | FunkyBob | ok |
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| 06:22.07 | shay_shay | FunkyBob: in the settings you can make the widgets smaller on one monitor or the other to match |
| 06:22.19 | FunkyBob | cool |
| 06:22.52 | shay_shay | I am going g to boot up my computer see if I can find it |
| 06:23.23 | FunkyBob | hmm... seems to be runnig quite hot :/ |
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| 06:23.38 | shay_shay | it doesn't show.me since I only have one monitor attached |
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| 06:25.55 | FunkyBob | shay_shay: can't see anything like that in settings |
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| 06:26.27 | shay_shay | displays? |
| 06:27.09 | FunkyBob | yah, but I see nothing in there about scaling... unless it's the up/down arrow between the rotate ones |
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| 06:27.34 | shay_shay | I think that will flip the screen |
| 06:27.40 | shay_shay | its worth a try though |
| 06:27.52 | FunkyBob | yep.. flip |
| 06:28.10 | StanleyGoodman | how can I search a directory for files/folders that are writable by the user account that I am using? |
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| 06:30.17 | FunkyBob | StanleyGoodman: "find", perhaps? |
| 06:30.32 | shay_shay | FunkyBob: I guess I must be thinking of some other desktop |
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| 06:31.06 | FunkyBob | shay_shay: perhaps :/ |
| 06:31.18 | FunkyBob | perhaps gnome 3.16 |
| 06:31.40 | shay_shay | but while were on the "displays" topic, if the status bar ends up on the wrong one you can click and drag it back to the one you want from the displays dialog |
| 06:31.40 | FunkyBob | I should probably move on up to testing sooner rather than later |
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| 06:31.59 | phix | ok so the exim package is broken, I cannot receive email from gmail receipients |
| 06:32.04 | phix | TLS neg failed |
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| 06:32.36 | FunkyBob | phix: do yu have a legit cert? |
| 06:32.48 | FunkyBob | is your TLS configured to be permissible enough ? |
| 06:33.30 | phix | FunkyBob: self signed |
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| 06:33.39 | phix | FunkyBob: I don't enforce TLS |
| 06:34.08 | FunkyBob | but they might |
| 06:34.44 | StanleyGoodman | funkybob, thanks, that worked. Just had to use "find -writable" |
| 06:34.57 | FunkyBob | StanleyGoodman: np |
| 06:35.46 | phix | FunkyBob: hmmmmm, I could get a legit X.509 cert, they are only $10 a year or something (soon to be $0 a year when Let's Encrypt launches) |
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| 06:36.31 | phix | FunkyBob: Have you used Let's Encrypt beta at all? |
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| 06:37.54 | FunkyBob | no |
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| 06:38.10 | phix | Have you heard of it? |
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| 06:39.20 | FunkyBob | nope |
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| 06:44.34 | frdmn | good morning |
| 06:44.54 | frdmn | i'm using passwordless ssh logins now since quite a time |
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| 06:45.15 | frdmn | I'Ve often read about ssh-agent, but never really needed it |
| 06:45.20 | frdmn | can someone explain me what it does? |
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| 06:46.00 | StanleyGoodman | phix, let's encrypt is in open beta now? are the signatures being accepted by browsers as valid? are they requiring private keys or not? |
| 06:46.31 | StanleyGoodman | frdmn, "man ssh-agent" |
| 06:47.08 | frdmn | StanleyGoodman: i've read that |
| 06:47.17 | frdmn | still dont understand why I should need it |
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| 06:48.39 | StanleyGoodman | without having used it before - it seems similar to gpp-agent - storing private keys in memory so that you can open and close sessions without having to re-enter the private key data |
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| 06:50.38 | frdmn | and where is the actual private key? |
| 06:50.49 | frdmn | right now they are on my filesystem in ~/.ssh |
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| 06:51.57 | zxcvbn | Hello! How to make debian jessie installer ask for samba workgroup during install (like wheezy did)? I've added 'samba-common' to preseed install configuration, set 'debconf priority' to 'low', but nothing happens - installer keeps asking many questions but ignoring samba-common debconf workgroup question :( What should I do? |
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| 07:09.03 | StanleyGoodman | can i use grep to exclude certain output? I tried using -i but it didn't work right |
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| 07:11.37 | themill | StanleyGoodman: -v |
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| 07:21.23 | hargut | Hello |
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| 07:22.05 | hargut | Just a very generic question, does someone or you know a program similar to echo which displays a message as X11 window? |
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| 07:22.43 | valdyn | hargut: zenity |
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| 07:23.25 | themill | or xmessage or kdialog |
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| 07:23.43 | hargut | valdyn: themill: Thanks! :) |
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| 07:24.43 | themill | there's also notify-osd for passive popups and notify-send to hook into the standard desktop notification system |
| 07:25.58 | StanleyGoodman | I'm finding that ./lib/systemd/system/halt.service and other .service in that folder are writable by lowly privileged users... does that matter? |
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| 07:26.24 | valdyn | StanleyGoodman: they are not |
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| 07:26.43 | valdyn | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Jun 11 09:40 halt.service -> /dev/null |
| 07:26.50 | valdyn | StanleyGoodman: thats a symlink |
| 07:27.02 | StanleyGoodman | oh, my bad |
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| 07:35.10 | StanleyGoodman | alright, some theory here. say I have an encrypted drive, but I am concerned about the integrity of my unencrypted grub bootloader. I could potentially make a script that runs on boot that would make a compressed copy of the bootloader, then compare it with an existing checksum, and inform me of any discrepancy prior to me logging into the system -- would that be redundant in any way? would there be a more efficient way to do it? |
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| 07:36.53 | themill | if the machine has been subverted, why would you trust the output of your script? How would you know that it hasn't been set up to give you the answer $someone wants you to see |
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| 07:38.21 | StanleyGoodman | I'm making the assumption that my system would not be compromised at that point. I'm just trying to prevent the bootloader from being corrupted by, for example, a rogue windows installation. |
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| 07:39.01 | StanleyGoodman | for example, one time I had a truecrypt bootloader that was corrupted when I connected my windows computer by HDMI to a samsung smart tv |
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| 07:40.19 | StanleyGoodman | and BADUSB is always in the back of my mind, as well |
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| 07:42.34 | StanleyGoodman | so.... doing such a thing could allow me, for example, to detect if a keylogger was installed into grub while I was booted into windows on the same machine as my linux was installed |
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| 07:44.50 | StanleyGoodman | then, assuming my script ran before networking was enabled, I could detect and replace the corrupted/sabotaged bootloader and restart, potentially mitigating the compromise |
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| 07:50.39 | shurnormal_ | Why Jessie `konsole` `less` highlights using only italics while Squeez's and Wheezy's do it with a different background color (more useful?)? |
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| 07:59.27 | deicider | shurnormal_: Wow, if that is the biggest problem in Debian, then you are lucky. *buntus have way bigger problems, as in actual functionality problems. |
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| 08:00.14 | shurnormal_ | I no use Ubuntu unless forced by employer [trollface]. |
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| 08:05.00 | jelly | shurnormal_: what do you mean by highlights? |
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| 08:07.31 | deicider | Actually, my phone wasn't recognized by Debian yesterday. There was an workaround, but time-consuming. Ended up with Lubuntu. Maybe devs should focus on hardware support more? Just a though. |
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| 08:08.34 | themill | A specific bug report about what is missing would help. Bugs go via the bts not irc. |
| 08:08.34 | tomodachi | deicider: the hardware compatibility of a distribution is mostly the result of the kernel version used |
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| 08:09.30 | tomodachi | deicider: since debian usually is less bleeding edge than ubuntu, support for some devices can be worse in exchange for better stability |
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| 08:10.59 | deicider | tomodachi: Nope, same kernel used by Lubuntu and Debian (3.16, LTS and Jessie). And I'm pretty sure it wasn't a bug either. Maybe I needed some software to mount it? BTW, cool nick there :D |
| 08:11.01 | BuzzardBuzz | i am really liking the stability in jesse |
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| 08:11.53 | darxmurf | hi all |
| 08:11.58 | zxcvbn | why debian installer does not ask debconf questions during software install stage? debconf priority is set to low. |
| 08:12.00 | hhee | hi guys. which way can i update debian 7 to debian 8 ? |
| 08:12.12 | darxmurf | how can I configure proftdp to allow users to upload in a folder but not delete anything in it ? |
| 08:12.18 | darxmurf | pureftpd sorry |
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| 08:13.22 | hhee | dist-update& |
| 08:13.23 | hhee | ? |
| 08:13.28 | StanleyGoodman | does RAM have a mount point? say I want to configure an application to store its settings / cache in RAM -- is there a mount point? |
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| 08:13.36 | hhee | but how about upstart system scrpts? |
| 08:13.39 | deicider | hhee: /msg dpkg wheezy->jessie |
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| 08:13.49 | hhee | deicider : tnx! |
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| 08:14.27 | deicider | hhee: NP |
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| 08:15.42 | phix | StanleyGoodman: open beta AFAIK but they are not being accepted by browsers yet, still BETA |
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| 08:16.08 | phix | FunkyBob: I recommend you look into Let's Encrypt, I can prv msg you the URL if you like. |
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| 08:16.20 | romanis | hi, does anybody know how to grow a partition on a sparc? got debian installed on a ldom and increased the virtualdisk. |
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| 08:16.39 | romanis | but i don't know how to do that with the sun-partition |
| 08:16.41 | phix | romanis: gparted? |
| 08:17.11 | Ninja|21315 | Which is better Debian or Linux? |
| 08:17.32 | StanleyGoodman | ninja|21315, lol |
| 08:17.38 | deicider | Ninja|21315: Debian IS GNU/Linux... |
| 08:18.12 | Ninja|21315 | Sorry, just trying this chat for the first time...obviously was a dumb question |
| 08:18.13 | romanis | @phix ummmm... now i'm feeling dumb. i somehow thought that all the partitioning tools were different. |
| 08:18.15 | Ninja|21315 | Thanks |
| 08:18.42 | phix | Ninja|21315: Which is better, Wild Turkey or Bourbon Whiskey? |
| 08:18.44 | Ninja|21315 | I will stick with my Windows XP a little longer |
| 08:19.07 | phix | romanis: nope |
| 08:19.12 | StanleyGoodman | ninja|21315, just go from windows xp straight to openbsd |
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| 08:19.18 | deicider | Ninja|21315: No domt do tha. :D Come to us, we like newbies. Or try Ubuntu, they like em even more :D |
| 08:19.30 | phix | StanleyGoodman: Yeah cause they are so similar hey :) |
| 08:19.38 | shurnormal_ | dear jelly: I mean how `less` highlights search when searching (keys '/' or '?' for instance). |
| 08:19.51 | Ninja|21315 | Just joking guys, I'm on Slackware since 1975 |
| 08:20.06 | deicider | Ninja|21315: LOl, ur hardcore xD |
| 08:20.08 | jelly | shurnormal_: do you have a custom LESS env. variable set? |
| 08:20.16 | phix | Ninja|21315: You were using Slackware 27 or so years before it was first released? |
| 08:20.25 | phix | That is hardcore |
| 08:20.26 | babilen | Ninja|21315: Do you actually have a Debian support question? |
| 08:20.28 | Ninja|21315 | Likewise |
| 08:20.35 | jelly | Ninja|21315: this channel is primarily for tech support. If you want to chat or make jokes, try #debian-offtopic instead. |
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| 08:21.00 | phix | Ninja|21315: but becareful, they don't like jokes in #debian-offtopic, can you believe I was banned from there for being too offtopic? :) |
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| 08:23.33 | Ninja|21315 | Good idea, actually I will in need of you guys eventually. Thanks a lot. I will leave now. Sorry about that. |
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| 08:25.48 | shurnormal_ | jelly: I'm looking at /etc/bash.bashrc, /etc/skel/.bashrc and owned .bashrc and I see no environment nor alias nor additional possible dot file - nor `less` specialist thou. |
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| 08:26.46 | jelly | shurnormal_: echo "$LESS" returns anything? |
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| 08:27.06 | jelly | shurnormal_: or env|grep LESS |
| 08:27.41 | shurnormal_ | Empty line for `echo "$LESS"`, empty string for `env | grep LESS` :). |
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| 08:28.56 | petn-randall | StanleyGoodman: /dev/shm. But putting your iceweasel cache on there will have two disadvantages: 1) the benefit will be nil to not measurable 2) You will loose all data on reboot 3) You'll be taking away RAM that would be used as filesystem cache. |
| 08:29.04 | petn-randall | s/two/three/ |
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| 08:30.53 | alex4 | hello I want to remove everything of a package and there is a lot of suggestions in google but which one is best? |
| 08:31.07 | at0m|c | dpkg -P purges |
| 08:31.07 | dpkg | at0m|c: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 08:31.15 | at0m|c | lol |
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| 08:31.46 | StanleyGoodman | petn-randall, I have more than enough RAM for filesystem cache, and I *want* to lose all the data I mount there on reboot. I am working on getting the most properly chroot'd browser possible - with chained instances of openvpn. The only issue left to take care of is making sure there can be no perma-cookies or other unique identifiers that escape my destruction - thus, mounting cache in RAM |
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| 08:39.11 | berarma | I've noticed multiple times that the Linux kernel will start using swap or kill one process before shrinking the inode and dentry caches. Reading some posts in internet it seems others have observed the same. Confirmation? If true, how is more important cache memory than running processes? |
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| 08:40.11 | berarma | When I say "using swap" I mean using it heavily. |
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| 08:40.51 | jelly | StanleyGoodman: cookies aren't in ~/.cache/firefox/. Possibly you may want to put the whole ~/.mozilla/firefox/ onto the same volatile medium |
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| 08:41.22 | at0m|c | or on write-only. like a live .iso mounted in VM. |
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| 08:42.39 | beepie | berarma, dont bother |
| 08:42.45 | beepie | berarma, just use it and you'll be fine |
| 08:43.20 | at0m|c | StanleyGoodman: download an .iso of live distribution. these are uniform across userbase and much less unique than user installations |
| 08:43.57 | berarma | Do you mean I'll be fine when the system runs laggish and kills my processes or that it isn't true? |
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| 08:43.58 | at0m|c | StanleyGoodman: on top, nothing is written that remains after reboot |
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| 08:45.37 | beepie | berarma, yep |
| 08:46.06 | beepie | berarma, linux is about thrashing it by total miscommunication since it is evil to try it clean for the first time. |
| 08:46.08 | beepie | berarma, ^ |
| 08:46.13 | petn-randall | berarma: Usually buffers/cache are all used up before the OOM killer of the kernel kicks in and kills processes. How are you observing this behaviour? |
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| 08:47.02 | at0m|c | StanleyGoodman: no need for cookies or other disk writes to identify you. test for yourself at https://panopticlick.eff.org/ |
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| 08:48.38 | x478437790 | my laptop screen lamp get turned off frequently, and nothing turn it on except sleep/resume or 'xset dpms force standby'+mouse move. anyone know how to resolve this? |
| 08:50.05 | at0m|c | x478437790: xset -dpms disables dpms |
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| 08:50.36 | alex4 | after I used dpkg -P purges <package> the files still remain |
| 08:50.36 | alex4 | my problem is that an application causes: could not find or load class jagexappletviewer |
| 08:50.37 | alex4 | my idea is now to completely remove it and reinstall as it worked yesterday before I lost power |
| 08:50.37 | alex4 | I installed it like this: |
| 08:50.37 | alex4 | echo "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/hikariknight/unix-runescape-client/ubuntu trusty main" | sudo tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 08:50.37 | alex4 | sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 9BA73CFA |
| 08:50.37 | alex4 | sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install unix-runescape-client |
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| 08:50.50 | petn-randall | !tell alex4 -about paste |
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| 08:51.40 | x478437790 | at0m|c I tried 'xset -dpms' but it didn't resolve it. the screen still go lank. |
| 08:51.46 | x478437790 | blank |
| 08:52.13 | berarma | After a low memory situation I usually have to restart the system or manually empty the caches to get most memory back. I'll look more closely next time it happens to confirm. I was just very surprised reading this after browsing for having to manually empty the caches to regain memory when it's low. |
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| 08:53.26 | at0m|c | berarma: http://www.linuxatemyram.com/ explains more on linux memory usage |
| 08:53.30 | alex4 | http://pastebin.com/EnEBNF65 |
| 08:54.19 | romanis | @phix doesn't really work. libparted doesn't allow online resizing. |
| 08:54.21 | Catwich | alex4: try, after purgint it with dpkg |
| 08:54.25 | Catwich | to rm -rf /opt/runescape |
| 08:54.32 | Catwich | because thats where it installs it |
| 08:54.36 | romanis | but at least it gave me the correct disk-geometry. |
| 08:54.40 | Catwich | oh, but also purge anotehr package first |
| 08:54.57 | at0m|c | !tell alex4 -about ubuntu |
| 08:55.05 | romanis | i could change it with the util-linux-fdisk, remove the partition, grow it and reboot |
| 08:55.24 | Catwich | dpkg -P runescape |
| 08:55.25 | dpkg | Catwich: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 08:55.39 | romanis | xfs_growfs worked :D |
| 08:55.48 | Catwich | dpkg -P runescape-unix-client |
| 08:55.48 | dpkg | Catwich: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 08:55.49 | romanis | complicated, but scriptable. |
| 08:55.53 | Catwich | then rm -rf /opt/runescape |
| 08:56.00 | Catwich | dpkg: shup |
| 08:56.01 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, Catwich |
| 08:56.40 | berarma | at0m|c, thanks for the link. |
| 08:56.58 | alex4 | okay I did that but the files in usr/share/application still remain, is that normal? |
| 08:57.00 | petn-randall | berarma: I'm pretty sure that's not the behaviour I've seen in the last 10 years. So if it happens again, show us the numbers, and we'll happily talk about the numbers with you. |
| 08:57.50 | berarma | One thing that upsets me is that it seems free doesn't report dentries and inodes cache memory as caches but normal used memory. When I clear those caches it affects the second row but not the first one. |
| 08:58.00 | berarma | thanks petn-randall |
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| 08:59.42 | petn-randall | berarma: How are you checking the size of dentries and inodes cache? |
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| 09:00.42 | StanleyGoodman | jelly, will put the whole .mozzilla in the ram volume. |
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| 09:00.48 | Catwich | alex4 there should be nothing special in /usr/share/applications |
| 09:00.56 | Catwich | and I jsut remember what your runescape client does |
| 09:00.59 | Catwich | it puts stuff in your home folder |
| 09:01.01 | Catwich | congrats |
| 09:01.07 | Catwich | no way dpkg can get rid of that |
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| 09:01.18 | Catwich | rm -rf .config/runescape |
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| 09:01.22 | Catwich | rm -rf ~/.config/runescape |
| 09:01.27 | berarma | I've used slabtop though I'm not measuring that now. I just tried this: "sync; free -h; echo 2 >/proc/sys/vm/drop_caches; free -h". The second "free" command reported much less used ram in the second row, nothing changed in the first one. |
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| 09:01.39 | StanleyGoodman | at0m|c, no, I am not using a live CD. live CDs don't have all the things I want pre-configured, and they don't have iptables set up, and they don't have a double hop vpn set up, and they don't have tor set up on top of the double hop vpn |
| 09:02.06 | berarma | by second row I mean the one that goes "-/+ buffers/cache:" |
| 09:02.53 | StanleyGoodman | at0m|c, I am aware of browser fingerprinting. I take steps to minimize that. I am mostly concerned about exact fingerprinting (IP, cookies, unique-id, etc), however, not inexact fingerprinting |
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| 09:04.28 | alex4 | yes Catwich now it works!! :) |
| 09:04.34 | StanleyGoodman | is /tmp mounted as a tmpfs (ie, RAM) in debian? I am having this same discussion in #firefox |
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| 09:05.05 | alex4 | after I deletet the .config and relaunched it he downloaded some filed and it works now great |
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| 09:06.52 | knivsta | hi |
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| 09:10.33 | neglesaks | ? how are the "standard" live ISO images different from the Grnome, KDE etc live images? |
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| 09:13.51 | jelly | StanleyGoodman: not by default, but it can be |
| 09:14.38 | knivsta | jelly, Do you suggest a 350W PSU? |
| 09:14.44 | knivsta | Would antec by fine? |
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| 09:15.34 | anddam | how do I fetch the source for a package and increase revision number? |
| 09:15.47 | jelly | knivsta: I don't have any opinion on hardware. Maybe try ##hardware change but explain your whole setup, and think about how you mihgt want to extend it in the next 2-3 years |
| 09:15.52 | anddam | I figure it's done in the .dsc file but how let I apt know about that? |
| 09:15.59 | jelly | ##hardware channel* |
| 09:17.08 | anddam | namely I want to bump mldonkey package from -2 to -3 in order to have my built stick around on system upgrade |
| 09:17.12 | jelly | anddam: apt knows about repos, the .deb contents of "deb" line repos, and source packages from repos in the "deb-src" lines |
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| 09:17.47 | anddam | jelly: I have sourced mldonkey using 'apt-get source' as per ssb |
| 09:17.53 | jelly | anddam: so put your packages in a custom repo. /msg dpkg own repo, /msg dpkg reprepro |
| 09:17.53 | romanis | my pv-output atm: -8.18e+33yiB 1:29:42 [1.25MiB/s] |
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| 09:17.55 | romanis | wtf |
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| 09:18.22 | anddam | jelly: can't I just set the revision to a higher value, build again and installed the deb package with dpkg? |
| 09:18.28 | jelly | StanleyGoodman: [/tmp as tmpfs] not by default, but it can be |
| 09:18.35 | anddam | jelly: reprepro has a nice sound to it |
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| 09:18.40 | jelly | StanleyGoodman: [/tmp as tmpfs] not by default, but it can be |
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| 09:19.27 | jelly | anddam: sure. until debian has an updated package with same or higher number |
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| 09:19.39 | anddam | jelly: I'm fine with that |
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| 09:20.05 | anddam | jelly: my issue here is that I don't know how to build a deb package with a higher version (specifically higher revision) |
| 09:20.58 | jelly | anddam: just add a new debian/changelog entry. You can use "dch" or do it manually. |
| 09:21.03 | anddam | can I do that at all? apt-get source somepackage; <edit .dsc file>; dpkg-buildpackage [...] |
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| 09:21.22 | anddam | I'll check debian/ |
| 09:21.23 | berarma | knivsta, I guess the standard doesn't include a DE. |
| 09:21.24 | jelly | .dsc file is result of building, not the source |
| 09:21.44 | anddam | jelly: I see, is the source info in repo? |
| 09:21.53 | anddam | jelly: I'm used more to a port system |
| 09:22.18 | StanleyGoodman | jelly, is there any reason why it would be a bad idea to mount /tmp as tmpfs? got a guide for that handy? |
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| 09:22.54 | jelly | anddam: I mean, debian/changelog is where the package version number comes from |
| 09:23.31 | berarma | neglesaks, I guess the standard doesn't include a DE. |
| 09:24.00 | jelly | StanleyGoodman: don't know of a guide, but there's already infrastructure in place to do it: /etc/default/tmpfs |
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| 09:24.12 | neglesaks | berarma: Yes, that seeme likely. THank you. |
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| 09:24.59 | knivsta | berarma, What are you talking about? |
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| 09:25.14 | berarma | knivsta, sorry, my wrong |
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| 09:31.18 | Iridos | StanleyGoodman, filling up your ram with files from a tmpfs is a bad idea. If you feel confident that doesn't happen, there's no (other) inherent problem with it |
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| 09:31.44 | fossrox | ls |
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| 09:37.11 | phix | fossrox: ls -lha |
| 09:37.34 | anddam | jelly: changelog did the trick, thanks a lot |
| 09:37.41 | anddam | jelly: I'll possibly go with dpkg-scanpackage |
| 09:38.14 | jelly | anddam: or just build, install with dpkg, and hold the package (/msg dpkg hold) |
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| 09:39.03 | jelly | anddam: avoid using -3 as debian version, something unique like -2anddam1 will make the custom package stand out more |
| 09:39.15 | jelly | debian revision* |
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| 09:39.33 | jelly | dpkg, tell anddam about package rebuild |
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| 09:42.06 | carp | Hi. Yesterday I began apt-get dist-upgrade from wheezy to jessie. halfway through the wireless cut out. I had plugged the ethernet cable in before starting, but I made the mistake of assuming it would work, as I had previously been using ethernet already. To get wireless working I had previously had to get ndiswrapper working for my wireless card. |
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| 09:42.55 | carp | I believe that ndiswrapper is what caused the dist-upgrade to fail. When I booted the debian machine this morning I noticed a message mentioning ndiswrapper fail. |
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| 09:44.07 | carp | The machine boots to gnome and shows Debian 8 with the green background. I am halfway through jessie install. Yesterday I typed the command 'ip addr show eth0' and it would hang. |
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| 09:44.45 | anddam | jelly: I wasn't sure about comparison rule for versions in apt |
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| 09:44.54 | carp | I need a way to get my ethernet working in a direct manner, possibly without going through network manager or something. I am a beginner. |
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| 09:45.27 | jelly | anddam: you can test versions with dpkg --compare-versions ... |
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| 09:47.51 | BuzzardBuzz | carp to see your network status you can use -> sudo ifconfig |
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| 09:49.37 | carp | BuzzardBuzz: that command worked, gave me 2 short paragraphs of info. i cant copy paste as i am currently using a windows machine, sitting next to the debian one. |
| 09:49.39 | BuzzardBuzz | since you are upgrading the os you might want to complete that first though i would think |
| 09:49.43 | anddam | carp: can you connect an ethernet cable to the machine? |
| 09:50.25 | carp | anddam: i have the ethernet plugged in right now. but it is not automatically detecting. or atleast, it is not automatically connecting to the internet. |
| 09:50.49 | anddam | carp: can you edit a file with root rights? |
| 09:50.56 | carp | anddam: yes |
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| 09:51.03 | anddam | https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Using_DHCP_to_automatically_configure_the_interface |
| 09:51.34 | anddam | that 'ip addr show eth0' hanged is very odd |
| 09:51.47 | carp | anddam: ill work my way through this guide. thankyou |
| 09:51.52 | anddam | you can check 'ip a' (shorthand for addr) and scroll the output |
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| 09:52.09 | anddam | not sure it'd avoid the hanging tho' |
| 09:52.16 | anddam | I'm away |
| 09:52.40 | anddam | but lucky enough the eth0 dhcp setting is pretty straightforward |
| 09:52.48 | carp | anddam: anddam ip a command worked. Again gave me 2 short paragraphs. |
| 09:53.11 | carp | ah ok, thanks for the help |
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| 09:55.03 | carp | I just checked 'ip addr show eth0' command works now. Yesterday it wasnt though. I have turned the machine off and on since then but thats all. |
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| 09:58.38 | carp | im typing in 'auto eth0' and 'sudo auto eth0' and it says command auto not found. |
| 09:58.52 | ws2k3 | Hello, in wheezy i allways use cpufreq-set to let my cores run on max MHz but is this still supported in jessie? |
| 09:59.31 | ws2k3 | cause when i run cat /proc/cpuinfo|grep MHz a few times i see the MHz constandly changing in wheezy this is not the case |
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| 10:00.55 | BuzzardBuzz | carp do you have network-manager installed? |
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| 10:03.06 | carp | BuzzardBuzz: In the top right of my desktop there is the plugged in symbol. Usually it is a wireless symbol when wireless is working. I click it and it says wired networks but underneath it says device not managed [greyed out] I think this is network manager right? |
| 10:03.12 | anddam | CarlGel: why would you type that? it's not a command for command line |
| 10:03.32 | anddam | carp: ^ |
| 10:03.38 | anddam | carp: wrong nick completion |
| 10:03.40 | SynrGy | carp: 'auto eth0' is not a command. it's something that goes into /etc/network/interfaces. however, if you have NetworkManager, you probably don't need it. |
| 10:03.46 | anddam | CarlGel: ^ |
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| 10:04.02 | BuzzardBuzz | sounds like that is the gui for it |
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| 10:04.32 | SynrGy | carp: in any case, 'auto eth0' won't bring up eth0 unless there's also an inet stanza that goes with it, if you're doing things the non-NetworkManager way. |
| 10:04.37 | carp | anddam: oh darn it sorry, yep |
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| 10:05.25 | carp | BuzzardBuzz: it gives me the option of vpn connection set up too. |
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| 10:06.15 | anddam | is the environment set only by the login shell when loggin in at system console? |
| 10:06.47 | anddam | how is the program listening on ttyN called in a systemd system? |
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| 10:07.33 | anddam | I had to setup my GNUstep environment and did it in ~/.xsessionrc since lightdm didn't read ~/.profile like the wiki seemed to suggest |
| 10:07.46 | SynrGy | carp: that is network manager, yes. 'not managed' means you have something for eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces, so NetworkManager is skipping it |
| 10:08.02 | carp | anddam: I dont know what that means. |
| 10:08.05 | anddam | I wonder if there's a configuration I could do before the login shell is called (even if I guess there isn't) |
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| 10:08.26 | anddam | carp: well those weren't questions for you, those were about my issue |
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| 10:08.44 | deSz | anyone here? |
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| 10:08.47 | anddam | and they are about environment variables |
| 10:08.52 | anddam | deSz: SYNTAX ERROR |
| 10:08.59 | SynrGy | carp: something like 'auto eth0' (or 'allow-hotplug eth0', which is the default, and in most cases better) and 'iface eth0 inet dhcp' in /etc/network/interfaces should bring up ethernet the non-NetworkManager way. |
| 10:09.07 | carp | anddam: sorry. |
| 10:09.16 | deSz | im trying to install debian 8.1 and it stops at the kernel |
| 10:09.26 | anddam | carp: there's nothing to be sorry about |
| 10:09.47 | SynrGy | deSz: are you sure you have the right installer for your architecture? which image do you have (URL, please) and what processor is in your system? |
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| 10:10.28 | deSz | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.1.0/i386/bt-dvd/debian-8.1.0-i386-DVD-1.iso.torrent |
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| 10:14.30 | SynrGy | deSz: ok. that should work whether you have a 32-bit or 64-bit intel (or AMD) processor. |
| 10:15.02 | deSz | its a 64 bit processor, dual core, but its a little old |
| 10:15.07 | carp | SynrGy: my etc/network/interfaces: primary network interface: allow hotplug eth0, iface eth0 inet dhcp, |
| 10:15.13 | SynrGy | deSz: though if you have 64-bit you might prefer the amd64 image instead. when you say it 'stops at the kernel', what's the last thing you see? |
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| 10:15.30 | deSz | installing basic system |
| 10:15.33 | SynrGy | carp: i hope that's actually 'allow-hotplug', not 'allow hotplug' which won't work |
| 10:15.39 | carp | there is also loopback network interface: auto lo, iface lo inet loopback |
| 10:16.07 | carp | *allow-hotplug eth0 |
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| 10:16.28 | SynrGy | carp: ok. so NetworkManager is not responsible for this network. that's all that 'not managed' means |
| 10:16.47 | SynrGy | carp: ifupdown is responsible for bringing it up when the ethernet device is detected |
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| 10:18.06 | carp | SynrGy: ifupdown i will duckduckgo that |
| 10:18.21 | SynrGy | if you're using NetworkManager for VPN over the ethernet interface, i'm not sure if that works if NM doesn't manage it. |
| 10:18.53 | SynrGy | carp: your primary source of info should be the doc that ships with it. 'man interfaces', for starters. |
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| 10:19.35 | SynrGy | carp: also man 'ifup' and man 'ifdown' which can be used to manually bring up and take down interfaces that ifupdown manages. |
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| 10:19.58 | carp | SynrGy: great |
| 10:20.16 | SynrGy | carp: but before you go learning about it, can you restate, briefly, what your goal is? |
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| 10:20.20 | SynrGy | carp: i've lost the thread ... |
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| 10:21.04 | SynrGy | carp: you said you want to "get ethernet going ... in a direct manner". i'm not sure what end-user need this addresses. |
| 10:21.22 | SynrGy | carp: what problem does it solve? |
| 10:21.34 | carp | SynrGy: upgrading from wheezy to jessie, dist-upgrade failed halfway through. i think its because ndiswrapper which makes my wireless card work has failed. Im trying to get ethernet working now, so i can finish the jessie upgrade |
| 10:21.35 | deSz | im installing it again so i can see |
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| 10:21.51 | SynrGy | carp: ndiswrapper, ugggh. my sympathies. |
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| 10:22.15 | SynrGy | carp: so if your /etc/network/interfaces is correct, you should be able to, as root, say 'ifup eth0' |
| 10:22.27 | SynrGy | provided the network has a DHCP server running on it |
| 10:22.38 | SynrGy | (normally provided by your router) |
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| 10:23.39 | carp | SynrGy: it returns 'interface eth0 already configured' |
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| 10:23.54 | SynrGy | carp: also, you want to make sure wireless is disconnected so any routes that no longer function are torn down by NM |
| 10:24.37 | SynrGy | carp: so what's the output of 'ip addr' (use paste.debian.net, please) |
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| 10:24.51 | SynrGy | carp: also, 'ip route' may help see what's going on |
| 10:25.02 | carp | SynrGy: sudo ifdown wireless (something like that?) |
| 10:25.03 | SynrGy | carp: is the network still not functional? |
| 10:25.37 | SynrGy | carp: no. the icon on your panel, right-click, uncheck "Enable Wi-Fi" |
| 10:25.52 | deicider | Trying to decide between Wheezy and Jessie. I have an fairly old (mid 00's) computer, so I'm wondering will Jessie make a good choice. Also, there is that Systemd fear, or FUD, whatever it is. |
| 10:25.54 | SynrGy | carp: this will prevent NM from making further attempts |
| 10:25.54 | deicider | I just care about security and stability , nothing else. Want to try Gnome, also, so which version of Gnome will be better pick, Wheezy's or Jessie's? |
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| 10:28.08 | carp | SynrGy: Oh my goodness, feel free to punch me through the screen. I started iceweasel and it is working. i am connecting via ethernet it seems. |
| 10:28.20 | SynrGy | carp: yay :) mission accomplished |
| 10:28.24 | SynrGy | !congratulate carp |
| 10:28.25 | dpkg | Huzzah carp, you did it! |
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| 10:28.55 | carp | SynrGy: i dont know why it fixed itself overnight while i was sleeping and the machine was turned off haha |
| 10:29.35 | SynrGy | carp: possibly order of operations? if your wifi thought it could handle the network but was dead ... |
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| 10:29.50 | SynrGy | in any case, you're good to go now |
| 10:29.56 | SynrGy | carp: lose that ndiswrapper crap ASAP |
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| 10:34.20 | carp | SynrGy: I appreciate the help indeed. I will now resume jessie upgrade I hope. I am thinking 'apt-get dist-upgrade' again. Will that automatically resume from where we left off? Unfortunately I only have this one wireless card and it needs ndiswrapper. I have to admit that I hope to ask for help again later (maybe a few days time) to get that working again but this time for jessie, not wheezy. |
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| 10:36.51 | carp | Im now going to follow this page https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#immediate-configure |
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| 10:38.21 | deSz | SynrGy, now autopartitioning is failing |
| 10:38.28 | SynrGy | carp: yes, apt-get dist-upgrade will pick up from where it left off |
| 10:38.36 | SynrGy | deSz: sadly, i have no more time to help |
| 10:38.48 | SynrGy | hopefully others here can pick up and continue with you |
| 10:38.57 | SynrGy | gotta get back to work |
| 10:39.02 | deSz | ok |
| 10:39.03 | deSz | thanks, later |
| 10:39.07 | SynrGy | good luck |
| 10:39.21 | carp | SynrGy: hey thanks for the time you spent helping me though. |
| 10:39.24 | SynrGy | np |
| 10:39.36 | ChrisH | carp: good luck.... I never managed it to break a box whith upgrades unless I needed to enter lines like: do what I say or similar :) |
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| 10:41.29 | carp | ChrisH: fingers crossed. now im on ethernet for certain it will hopefully be faster too! around half a gig left to download i think. but i live in the sticks so its quite slow even so. |
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| 10:45.17 | carp | Yep, 550mb left and its working, yay |
| 10:45.23 | phix | woooo! |
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| 10:46.53 | ws2k3 | Hello, i have one server that i am unable to set the frequancy scaling cat: /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor: No such file or directory while on naother server with the same cpu it gives me the correct details what can this be? |
| 10:47.31 | Phil-Work | ws2k3, `ps aux | grep demand` |
| 10:47.35 | Phil-Work | what does that show? |
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| 10:48.47 | ws2k3 | Phil-Work on both servers i do not get anything |
| 10:49.04 | ws2k3 | Phil-Work are you sure the command is correctly? cause on a server where the schaling is actualy working is also get nothing |
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| 10:53.16 | TJ- | ws2k3: are the governors built into the kernel, or loadable modules? maybe if the latter the module isn't loaded? |
| 10:53.21 | WormFood | how do I get sound to come out of all 6 of my speakers, when playing stereo content? |
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| 10:54.17 | ws2k3 | TJ- the govenors should be build into the kernel this is a default debian install we didnt recompiled the kernel or anything as far as i know this is default into the kornel |
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| 10:55.08 | TJ- | ws2k3: Does the directory exist "/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq" ? |
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| 10:56.52 | x478437790 | can anyone help me with my screen problem? |
| 10:57.10 | ChrisH | dpkg: tell x478437790 about ask |
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| 10:58.13 | x478437790 | I already asked it chris, and my irc client don't let me repost |
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| 10:59.11 | x478437790 | I need to get an other irc client |
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| 11:04.31 | wakennn | so, I have gotten audio interface running. but now I am facing a software problem - where to get all my software? on Arch I got every package through an updatable package manager. |
| 11:04.45 | wakennn | on debian I have to either build from source or create debs from github |
| 11:04.59 | wakennn | so my question (and please don't hit me :) |
| 11:05.13 | wakennn | is a ubuntu-minimal installation better suited for me? |
| 11:05.17 | wakennn | or is it still bloated |
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| 11:05.55 | at0m|c | !tell wakennn -about apt |
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| 11:06.23 | wakennn | at0m|c: yes. but there is nearly nothing that I need in there |
| 11:06.33 | wakennn | ardour4, cadence, retroarch, ... |
| 11:06.45 | wakennn | they all have ppa's though |
| 11:06.49 | wakennn | so that's why i am asking :) |
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| 11:07.58 | x478437790 | my screen go blank, the lamp go off, it remain not visible until sleep+resume, or 'xset dpms force standby'+mouse move |
| 11:10.22 | at0m|c | wakennn: i run ardour4 on debian, but http://www.deb-multimedia.org/ is not supported here so i won't mention it ;p |
| 11:10.59 | wakennn | ah coo, at0m|c: I think I saw that before |
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| 11:13.49 | x478437790 | how can I find out what is turning off the lamp? |
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| 11:22.37 | vladoski | hi guys, why gcc is not installed by default in debian |
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| 11:25.18 | carandraug | vladoski: I'd guess most users won't need it |
| 11:25.18 | vladoski | and why i cant do man gcc after ive installed gcc |
| 11:25.36 | x478437790 | probably because a lot of users don't need it vladoski |
| 11:25.44 | carandraug | vladoski: GNU is not very fond of man pages |
| 11:26.25 | carandraug | vladoski: did you run "man 7 undocumented" (which is the error message you should got when you did man gcc)? |
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| 11:27.06 | trewas | vladoski: gcc man-pages are in nonfree, because gfdl |
| 11:27.32 | vladoski | carandraug, yes i did man 7 undocumented |
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| 11:28.43 | JohnnyL | anyone here have trouble with 32 gig kingston microsd cards? |
| 11:28.48 | toad_ | is it possible to get bumblebee+nvidia drivers working on jessie? bumblebee+nouveau crashes, and the packaged drivers aren't recent enough ... the .run file gets lots of scary warnings about not using the package at the same time even though according to aptitude, nvidia-installer-cleanup should make it safe? is it safe or isn't it? |
| 11:29.06 | sharp15 | how do i start/stop and permanently disable a service under systemd? i'm using debian-8 |
| 11:29.52 | sharp15 | specifically /etc/init.d/clamav-freshclam |
| 11:30.49 | toad_ | docs say "Furthermore using the nvidia-installer to install a new version of the drivers is prevented as long as this package is installed" - but it tells the installer to warn you not to do it |
| 11:31.03 | toad_ | ah |
| 11:31.05 | toad_ | misread |
| 11:31.07 | toad_ | :) |
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| 11:33.32 | sharp15 | nm. i found a workable description on archwiki. |
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| 11:36.54 | otyugh | noob question about interfaces |
| 11:37.08 | otyugh | what means where there is data passing over the "lo" interface ? |
| 11:37.38 | otyugh | it is an internal exchange ? oO |
| 11:37.53 | otyugh | (doing "nethogs lo") |
| 11:38.00 | knivsta | omg |
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| 11:38.07 | sharp15 | that means you have a connection to the local network interface (ipv4 127.0.0.1, ipv6 ::1) |
| 11:38.12 | knivsta | I was asked by Boot process to run fsck on /dev/dm-1 manually |
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| 11:38.18 | knivsta | I use FDE |
| 11:38.23 | knivsta | what could have been wrong? |
| 11:38.27 | knivsta | I am so scared |
| 11:38.32 | knivsta | is HDD going bad? |
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| 11:39.38 | anddam | once I setup GNUstep environment MANPATH is set to MANPATH=/usr/Local/Library/Documentation/man:/usr/System/Library/Documentation/man and therefore I cannot call man page for system's commands |
| 11:40.18 | Iridos | knivsta, good you have those backups to rely on, then |
| 11:40.19 | anddam | I figure man is either using default paths or heuristic OS X-like, is there a way to have custom man pages path AND a fallback on the former? |
| 11:40.52 | sharp15 | knivsta: try asking s.m.a.r.t. about the disk? it isn't very accurate but it might tell you if its dying. |
| 11:41.03 | anddam | unsetting MANPATH obviously does the trick but I'd like to have both |
| 11:41.04 | Iridos | anddam, yes... have a : at the end or beginning (= an empty MANPATH element) |
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| 11:41.29 | anddam | Iridos: yay |
| 11:41.35 | knivsta | Iridos, I am backing up important data right now |
| 11:41.45 | knivsta | sharp15, s.m.a.r.t? in Bios? |
| 11:41.50 | anddam | Iridos: thanks |
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| 11:42.08 | Iridos | anddam, it's funny you mention this just now... I figured that one out just yesterday |
| 11:42.49 | anddam | Iridos: in what context? |
| 11:42.52 | anddam | that's the game of IRC |
| 11:43.06 | sharp15 | knivsta: no. its a software tool to ask part of the hard disk about the device's health. the package is 'smartmontools' |
| 11:43.22 | knivsta | sharp15, ok installed what next? |
| 11:43.26 | knivsta | how to ask them? |
| 11:43.43 | Iridos | knivsta, bit late :P and... message probably just means you had an unclean shutdown and the moment it happened was unlucky, so replaying the journal isn't enough to fix it (but there's no way to know what the cause is just yet... of course HDD could be going bad as well) |
| 11:44.13 | knivsta | Iridos, Actually my PSU is dying I can see its fan pausing for like 2-3 secs every 5 mins now |
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| 11:44.19 | knivsta | Could it be the reason? |
| 11:44.20 | Iridos | anddam, same as that... a manpage on one of our clusters disappeared when MANPATH was set |
| 11:44.43 | knivsta | Also I had like 10 power failure last day and my system was not on Inverter so it did close abruptly |
| 11:45.07 | sharp15 | knivsta: 'smartctl --health /dev/sd?' that assumes the device is new enough to have smart (last ~10yrs) |
| 11:45.21 | Iridos | knivsta, very likely |
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| 11:45.34 | Iridos | knivsta, you can/will still lose data due to it |
| 11:46.21 | Iridos | at least... having to run fsck manually usually means data loss... if it was simple to fix, you wouldn't need to type "Y" to force fixing it |
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| 11:46.23 | knivsta | sharp15, command not found? use as root? |
| 11:46.33 | sharp15 | knivsta: yes. sorry. |
| 11:46.54 | knivsta | SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED |
| 11:46.58 | knivsta | sharp15, the disk passed |
| 11:47.00 | knivsta | :) |
| 11:47.36 | knivsta | Iridos, I had to type Y 5 times and it did fix a lot of things and then booted into DE |
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| 11:47.43 | julius_ | hi |
| 11:47.51 | knivsta | I was so scared because its FDE and I thought I would never get in now |
| 11:48.10 | sharp15 | knivsta: good knews then. though the smart system has an unpleasant reputation of false positives (both failed and still-good). still best to keep good backups. |
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| 11:48.47 | julius_ | i would like to change apaches upload file size limit, so i edited: /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini and changed upload_max_filesize and post_max_size but still, i cant upload a 5mb file. any ideas? |
| 11:48.48 | anddam | Iridos: funny thing is that setup script isn't setting MANPATH at all, I reckon it's calling something else in turn that does the dirty trick |
| 11:48.52 | anddam | I'll -x it |
| 11:48.57 | knivsta | sharp15, I removed that package now :) but I have another disk ready, its a SATA disk from Laptop could be 7-8 yrs old, I am using it in Desktop though |
| 11:49.56 | knivsta | Iridos, which new PSU do you suggest? Antec is fine? my system is i3-4130/Gigabyte B85M-DS3H/4GB DDR3 HP RAM/OLD LAPTOP SATA HDD/NO DVD/NO FLOPPY |
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| 11:50.15 | sharp15 | knivsta: the only disk i've had go bad on me took smart most of a year to identify as going bad. i had reinstalled windows multiple times by then trying to figure out where the os corruption problem kept coming from. |
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| 11:51.03 | knivsta | sharp15, I have another 7 yr old Laptop HDD ready in case this goes bad :) |
| 11:51.11 | knivsta | hehe I love to re-use stuff you know? |
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| 11:56.57 | frostschutz | sharp15, with or without self-tests? |
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| 11:57.41 | frostschutz | sharp15, and you don't mean the health self assessment do you, cause that's always good no matter how bad the disk is ;) |
| 11:58.21 | HoloIRCUser | hi |
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| 11:59.46 | frostschutz | knivsta, smart --health is bullshit, you have to look at reallocated/pending sectors and run self tests |
| 12:00.06 | knivsta | frostschutz, how? |
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| 12:04.13 | x478437790 | anyone know how to resolve my screen issue? |
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| 12:06.24 | malade_mental | Hi people of debian! I'm having a question about netselect, is it possible to specify the port to use? |
| 12:06.35 | Iridos | x478437790, well, logs... if something switches off the screen, hopefully it writes into logs... /var/log/messages and xconsole , maybe dmesg... screensaver would be a good thing to check for, too |
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| 12:07.13 | itry | How do you restart apache in Debian 8? "service apache2 restart" gives me "Job for apache2.service failed. See 'systemctl status apache2.service' and 'journalctl -xn' for details." |
| 12:07.23 | sharp15 | frostschutz: i have no idea. i wasn't running linux then. i was just using what windows7 did by default (i'm aware that is a dangerous idea) |
| 12:07.24 | malade_mental | systemctl restart apache2 |
| 12:07.26 | malade_mental | itry, |
| 12:07.46 | itry | malade_mental: hmm.. that gives me the same error message |
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| 12:08.15 | malade_mental | paste journalctl -xn , there must be an error itry |
| 12:08.29 | Iridos | x478437790, or for jenny probably the systemd-equivalent journald thingies to some of those logs |
| 12:08.58 | itry | malade_mental: one moment, maybe my apache conf is messed up |
| 12:09.00 | Iridos | itry, you might want to look at the logs "for details"? |
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| 12:09.11 | malade_mental | itry, yes of cooourse |
| 12:12.56 | Iridos | malade_mental, ping/icmp have no ports... for the UDP probes, they probably have to use the echo service at port 7 ... if man netselect doesn't list it, it's probably not there |
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| 12:16.08 | HoloIRCUser | hi again |
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| 12:18.12 | john | hey peeps :) |
| 12:18.16 | carp | My jessie dist-upgrade has finished! Just going through the guide, purging and removing obsolete packages. Awesome |
| 12:18.28 | knivsta | Dear john : Howdy! |
| 12:18.29 | knivsta | :) |
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| 12:18.44 | john | :P |
| 12:18.56 | john | Im wondering what tool I should use to monitor CPU temperature |
| 12:19.15 | john | I like things like hmon and atop for looking at CPU usage, but i dont know of anything similar for temp |
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| 12:20.22 | malade_mental | Iridos, ok I'd think that, but do you have an idea on how to proceed, because I have a huge list of servers and all of them have only some ports open |
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| 12:20.35 | john | or anything that works in XFCE |
| 12:20.45 | john | (because the current temp monitor is... like.. awful -_- ) |
| 12:20.47 | malade_mental | 1024, 1723, 5900 ,3306 , 8080,3389 ,1720 ,8888 , 1090 ..... |
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| 12:22.45 | knivsta | john, use your Mobo's Bios |
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| 12:23.42 | john | knivsta: but the OS is running :P |
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| 12:24.51 | x478437790 | hi again |
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| 12:25.37 | x478437790 | anyone know how to resolve my screen issue? |
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| 12:28.41 | knivsta | john, Ok, I don't know if there are any reliable tools then |
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| 12:33.22 | john | me neither :( |
| 12:33.28 | john | But thanks for thinking about my problem :) |
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| 12:36.09 | Iridos | well... "apt-cache search cpu temperature"??? |
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| 12:37.01 | bazhang | ,v lm-sensors |
| 12:37.02 | judd | Package: lm-sensors on amd64 -- squeeze: 1:3.1.2-6+squeeze1; squeeze-backports: 1:3.3.2-2~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1:3.3.2-2+deb7u1; stretch: 1:3.3.5-2; jessie: 1:3.3.5-2; sid: 1:3.3.5-2 |
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| 12:38.57 | carp | I installed jessie, then purged and removed obsolete packages using 2 commands, firstly: apt-get purge $(dpkg -l | awk '/^rc/ { print $2 }') then "apt-get autoremove" and i am about to restart the machine. However, when i click on the Shutdown button, it displays a message that is all rectangle characters, kinda scary. |
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| 12:42.24 | julius_ | hi |
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| 12:42.59 | julius_ | ntfsresize tells me to run ERROR: Volume is scheduled for check. Run chkdsk /f and please try again, or see option -f. is it possible that it wants me to use the windows chkdsk? is there no linux variant? |
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| 12:45.29 | tehrabbitt | so i'm trying to get vHosts working on apache and for whatever reason it's not "listening" to the right settings |
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| 12:45.46 | tehrabbitt | not sure if maybe i'm missing a package or something for it? |
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| 12:46.39 | julius_ | basic vhost does not depend on packages |
| 12:46.48 | tehrabbitt | julius_: that's what I thought |
| 12:47.01 | julius_ | check #httpd, BUT beware ! post the configs they want, read topic |
| 12:47.06 | julius_ | or they gonna eat you alive |
| 12:47.18 | tehrabbitt | I created the file in sites-available and then I ran the a2ensite command with the file name and it adds it / I restart apache |
| 12:47.29 | tehrabbitt | julius_: hm lol |
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| 12:47.53 | julius_ | cant help sorry...apache always looks at me funny when i change something |
| 12:48.09 | tehrabbitt | julius_: yeah, all my experience is with lighttpd vhosts |
| 12:48.32 | julius_ | but the guys in #httpd know it all...just post your problem carefully and all the configs |
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| 12:49.45 | tehrabbitt | julius_: true :P |
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| 12:56.43 | roberth1990 | is there any debs for the tor browser anywhere? |
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| 12:57.57 | babilen | judd: v torbrowser-launcher |
| 12:57.58 | judd | Package: torbrowser-launcher on amd64 -- wheezy-backports/contrib: 0.1.9-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie/contrib: 0.1.9-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports/contrib: 0.2.0-1~bpo8+1; sid/contrib: 0.2.0-1; stretch/contrib: 0.2.0-1 |
| 12:58.03 | babilen | roberth1990: ^ |
| 12:58.15 | kkfwefe | https://www.filepicker.io/api/file/sRCP6qLvTs2hmINfaGos |
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| 13:02.18 | roberth1990 | babilen: thats broken, I asked for a package for the browser itself, not something that does what I can do easiely do manually |
| 13:02.59 | themill | dpkg: tell roberth1990 about doesn't work |
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| 13:03.34 | roberth1990 | it wasnt what I was looking for anyway |
| 13:03.57 | roberth1990 | I just rather use the tarball I downloaded directly from the page anyway |
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| 13:06.25 | Iridos | "that does what I can do easiely do manually"... isn't that kind of the definition of a package? |
| 13:06.34 | Iridos | maybe not always "easily" |
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| 13:07.24 | carp | When you click shutdown, which is the button for restart; left mid or right? When I click it the message displays only rectangle characters. |
| 13:08.02 | roberth1990 | why can't debian just provide a deb for the browser itself, that would be the easiest way, but instead they distribute broken python scripts to download it |
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| 13:10.17 | centrx | roberth1990, probably for security reasons - https://micahflee.com/2013/04/sudo-apt-get-install-torbrowser/ |
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| 13:12.02 | Iridos | there's also the "tor" package *shrug* |
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| 13:13.43 | at0m|c | http://deb.torproject.org |
| 13:14.42 | roberth1990 | centrx: a lot of the reasons stated there is fixed when just downloading the tarball, when downloading the tarball you can you can tell it to update from the browser itself |
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| 13:15.48 | centrx | roberth1990, Using the Debian package is easier than downloading the tarball |
| 13:15.49 | Iridos | you couldn't do that if it was a package |
| 13:16.15 | Iridos | what you're saying is basically "wash me, but don't make me wet" |
| 13:16.48 | roberth1990 | Iridos: true, but debian could distribute update packages through backports, as they have to do now with the launcher |
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| 13:18.09 | centrx | roberth1990, backports is not maintained by the security team |
| 13:18.50 | Iridos | roberth1990, or possibly through volatile (however that's called these days)... feel free to volunteer |
| 13:19.30 | roberth1990 | Iridos: I would if I had a drop of motivation and the skills... |
| 13:20.01 | themill | Iridos: you forget that it's much more fun to just bitch from the sidelines |
| 13:20.15 | Iridos | roberth1990, guess that's what the other 100 guys said who were interested in a package... sorry, then |
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| 13:20.50 | Iridos | themill, I know, I do the same and prefer to bitch around than ever doing any actual work... it's a skill |
| 13:21.11 | roberth1990 | Iridos: I didn't ask to be in the situation I am in, I cant even work, how could I be able to volunteer for something... |
| 13:21.30 | centrx | ? |
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| 13:22.06 | roberth1990 | here is the output when I try to run the launcher: https://paste.debian.net/plain/231665 |
| 13:22.27 | roberth1990 | I dont know how to read python errors... |
| 13:23.34 | otyugh | I was wondering, is debian planning to replace X by Wayland in a coming release (9, 10 ?) or is that not coming yet ? |
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| 13:24.14 | roberth1990 | otyugh: wayland and xwayland need to be properly support 100 % by most wms and des |
| 13:25.01 | roberth1990 | have all the features and be stable enough |
| 13:26.06 | carp | So i went ahead and tried clicking all 3 of the buttons. I click Shutdown... then it gives me a message with 3 options but all the characters are rectangles. I click the one on the right and it cancels. I click the middle one and it logs me off, I click the one on the left and it also just logs me off. I cant shutdown lol, im trying to restart. Gunna try now through the command line. |
| 13:26.45 | Iridos | carp, I guess entering "shutdown -h" in a root shell would be too simple? |
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| 13:27.09 | Iridos | or pressing the power-button on the machine |
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| 13:27.49 | carp | Iridos: its because ive literally just upgarded to jessie so im a bit worried. |
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| 13:28.54 | Iridos | but... is clicking random kinda unlabeled buttons the BEST way to stop worrying? |
| 13:29.12 | Iridos | also... what locale do you have that it's using characters you cannot display |
| 13:30.02 | carp | Iridos: good point well made. I am a new user from windows (that probably explains all) hehe. Checking now |
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| 13:31.16 | carp | Iridos: says english united states under region and language. It displays my username correctly and 'applications and places' |
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| 13:32.52 | shay_shay | carp: you've made the right choice picking debian ;D |
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| 13:33.25 | shay_shay | it's the best |
| 13:33.43 | kombi | how can I dummy-test that a command in /etc/aliases is executed? I put "user: |touch /path/somefile" in but somefile is never touched... |
| 13:34.22 | kombi | *upon arrival of an email for user "user" |
| 13:34.29 | carp | shay_shay: cool! |
| 13:34.50 | carp | gunna restart brb |
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| 13:36.27 | shay_shay | kombi: I don't think you can pipe things to touch |
| 13:36.47 | shay_shay | it doesn't read from stdin... you just want an empty file? |
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| 13:38.34 | kombi | shay_shay: that's right, just to test things. But even that empty file is never made |
| 13:39.10 | carp_ | back, oh wow yes everything has changed, gnome is all fancy now, and things seem to be working properly. awesome. |
| 13:40.16 | shay_shay | kombi: try user: "|touch /some/file" |
| 13:40.42 | shay_shay | and make sure the user has permissions to write there. not sure what postfix system user is |
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| 13:41.40 | kombi | with the quotes you mean, just did, but to no avail. dir is world writable... |
| 13:41.45 | carp_ | wow i can see how it is designed primarily for touch screen users. This is going to take some getting used to. Coming from xp (and i dont have a mobile phone let alone touchscreen device) this is a bit of a shock hehe |
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| 13:43.49 | shay_shay | kombi: yeah with the quotes surrounding the command instead of the whole thing... I didn't think it would make a difference but that's the syntax I have always uses in my .forward |
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| 13:44.56 | carp | but in a good way i mean. Part of the reason i am here on debian is because you need a shakeup every now and then to keep you on your toes. |
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| 13:45.24 | shay_shay | carp: well if you're all retrogrouchy you can try xfce |
| 13:45.38 | shay_shay | but you'll have a touchscreen sooner or later ;) |
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| 13:48.04 | carp | shay_shay: nono im happy to learn it, yeah i need to embrace the latest gadgets. computing in general is still a really new field (relative to most technology), so it would be silly to limit myself arbitrarily. |
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| 13:48.25 | shay_shay | good point |
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| 13:50.37 | pfote | guys, is there a nice way to detect doubly assigned IPs? our (fbsd) firewall logs such stuff nicely, but debian/linux? |
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| 13:52.47 | GivenToCode | I am running Debian 7.4 and am experiencing random lock ups for several seconds at a time, the system doesnt respond to mouse events or keyboard input for some time and the current window content pane goes blank. I do not see a spike in cpu usage |
| 13:52.59 | GivenToCode | not sure how to troubleshoot this |
| 13:53.20 | shay_shay | !tell pfote about search |
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| 13:56.07 | pfote | shay_shay: tnx for assuming i didnt .. any constructive idea? |
| 13:56.39 | shay_shay | the first result on google: http://www.itsprite.com/centoshow-to-detect-ip-address-conflicts-in-linux/ |
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| 13:57.18 | pfote | hrm, that doesnt look bad indeed |
| 13:57.22 | shay_shay | I think if you want it to be automated you can easily parse that output with bash and put it in a log file if there's two lines with the same ip |
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| 13:58.04 | shay_shay | or awk even |
| 13:58.18 | pfote | yeah, that looks promising, tnx |
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| 14:16.54 | tobis | Hi everyone |
| 14:17.08 | tobis | I have an issue with a corrupted PAM lib, and I'm unable to log on my server, any ideas to fix this ? |
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| 14:17.34 | tomodachi | tobis: live cd into the machine |
| 14:17.50 | tobis | I already have root access on it |
| 14:17.58 | tobis | ( using the Grub hack ) |
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| 14:18.40 | tobis | the thing is I'm unable to change the password, even if I remount / with writing permission, got some "pam (other) illegal module type in my auth.log |
| 14:19.16 | tobis | And of course I'm unable to loggin with any other accounts |
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| 14:21.33 | ychaouche | Hello #debian |
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| 14:21.53 | ychaouche | I tried apt-get install bzr and got segmentation fault : https://gist.githubusercontent.com/ychaouche/df351df34752f49bf178/raw/8aeb2dbd361be39413fc9cd26b2f6511c805c705/gistfile1.txt |
| 14:22.37 | Pegasus_RPG | Hello. I've been using apt-cacher for years and lately it's logging things like "Invalid range: 21580- (cached length 6247)" and "Use of uninitialized value in lc at /usr/sbin/apt-cacher line 507." when only the i386 version of the jessie repos are queried |
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| 14:23.01 | themill | ychaouche: try removing /var/cache/apt/*.bin (and re-running apt-get update) |
| 14:23.25 | ychaouche | thank themill |
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| 14:24.31 | Pegasus_RPG | What could be causing that? Line 507 of the script is just "do {" |
| 14:25.08 | ychaouche | themill: any idea what could have caused that ? |
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| 14:26.08 | Iridos | why does /proc/meminfo MemTotal only show 125GB on "128GB RAM" ... or 7.7 GB on 8GB |
| 14:26.23 | Pegasus_RPG | Iridos: probably GiB vs GB |
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| 14:26.32 | EdisonTrent | Iridos, or maybe integreated video ram |
| 14:26.56 | EdisonTrent | maybe it can be adjusted in the BIOS |
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| 14:28.04 | Pegasus_RPG | 's /proc/meminfo is in kB though |
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| 14:29.01 | Iridos | Pegasus_RPG, so how do you convert that kB value that you get out "128"? |
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| 14:29.15 | Iridos | (or whatever the expected value is) |
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| 14:31.14 | zykotick9 | Iridos: for interest, you might want to check "free -m" vs "free -k" |
| 14:31.21 | Iridos | Pegasus_RPG, free -g --> 125 (instead of 128) and free -g 7 (instead of 8) |
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| 14:32.00 | Iridos | free (or free -k) gives the same value as /proc/meminfo |
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| 14:33.14 | Pegasus_RPG | Iridos: take the kB value and divide by 1024 to get MiB and again to get GiB. |
| 14:33.39 | Pegasus_RPG | I have 8GB RAM (with discrete video RAM so nothing removed) and that works out to 7.67GiB |
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| 14:33.56 | Pegasus_RPG | or 7,863MiB |
| 14:34.20 | Iridos | but... if you go to a divider of 1000 instead of 1024, you get 131954256*1024/1000/1000/1000=135.12 |
| 14:34.36 | Iridos | and if you have one of 1024, you end up with 125GB |
| 14:34.51 | Iridos | so where in this is a "128" |
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| 14:35.03 | Pegasus_RPG | :S good question. |
| 14:35.08 | Pegasus_RPG | I would ask in #linux |
| 14:35.16 | Pegasus_RPG | Kernel experts are in tere |
| 14:35.18 | Pegasus_RPG | there |
| 14:35.36 | Pegasus_RPG | or better, search the Web first because I'm sure it's explained somewhere |
| 14:35.40 | HoloIRCUser | shay_shay... xset dpms force suspend + mouse move bring the screen lamp back on, what can I do next? |
| 14:35.54 | Iridos | hmm |
| 14:36.16 | Iridos | dmidecode -t memory gives 8 times 16384 MB |
| 14:36.25 | Iridos | that would be exactly 128GB |
| 14:36.32 | Iridos | could it be parity bits? |
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| 14:36.53 | Iridos | hm, no, that would be 113 |
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| 14:37.28 | Iridos | Pegasus_RPG, I have searched... don't seem to have good search terms |
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| 14:38.44 | Pegasus_RPG | Iridos: then ask in ##linux |
| 14:38.59 | Pegasus_RPG | Is anyone here familiar with apt-cacher? |
| 14:39.03 | shay_shay | HoloIRCUser: I dunno :/ dpms is the devil |
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| 14:40.29 | ElDiabolo_ | Hi. Does multistrap create a debian rootfs with or without apt? |
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| 14:41.20 | Iridos | Pegasus_RPG, ah, found something in one of the subsequens searches: http://serverfault.com/questions/219987/why-doesnt-the-value-in-proc-meminfo-seem-to-map-exactly-to-the-system-ram |
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| 14:43.05 | Iridos | Pegasus_RPG, dunno... 5GB "reserved" seems a bit excessive |
| 14:43.19 | Pegasus_RPG | interesting |
| 14:43.30 | shay_shay | HoloIRCUser: remind us as to what the problem was, I forgot already. I know its a laptop, but the screen isnt coming back when waking from sleep? |
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| 14:43.51 | Iridos | and those 5G shouldb't include the ramdisk... because that turns up as "cached". |
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| 15:35.04 | ElDiabolo | Hi. Can multistrap create a debian rootfs without apt? |
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| 15:37.39 | jokke | hey |
| 15:38.15 | jokke | i set up auto upgrades but havent had any upgrades yet. How can i ensure it's working? |
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| 15:41.16 | Mahjongg | Hi, keep forgetting the name of the binary that is run when "Software Update" is chosen in Gnome Shell |
| 15:41.19 | Mahjongg | Can you help? |
| 15:41.40 | Mahjongg | /usr/share/applications doesn't have it |
| 15:41.50 | Mahjongg | or ~/.local/share/applications |
| 15:43.29 | Mahjongg | nevermind, found it from ps aux output |
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| 15:43.36 | Mahjongg | gpk-update-viewer |
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| 15:44.24 | centrx | jokke, run apt-get update and then apt-get install and see if it has any |
| 15:44.25 | QbY | i've just installed Debian Jessie on a server. All of my other servers run RedHat flavors. My problem is, when I use iTerm2 (Mac) to ssh I cannot use vi…. Arrow keys, etc are injecting characters… How can I fix? (I prefer vi over nano) |
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| 15:45.08 | centrx | QbY, Is that something the Mac is doing? But it doesn't happen when sshing into RedHat? |
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| 15:46.20 | QbY | centrx, when i ssh into any of my other boxes vi is just fine… ssh into my debian its sideways |
| 15:46.34 | QbY | (sideways == screwy) |
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| 15:47.50 | invlpg[1] | if i add architecture i386 and then apt-get update it asks for lots of 32 bit libraries |
| 15:47.57 | invlpg[1] | what are they used for? do i really need it? |
| 15:48.05 | invlpg[1] | is it for running 32 bit apps on my 64 bit box? |
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| 15:49.08 | centrx | invlpg[1], it's for running programs compiled for 32-bit |
| 15:49.22 | centrx | invlpg[1], that require 32-bit libraries/dependencies |
| 15:49.23 | invlpg[1] | centrx, that's important enough. thanks! |
| 15:49.31 | invlpg[1] | where are they stored? |
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| 15:49.35 | jelly | invlpg[1]: apt-get update doesn't ask for any libraries... |
| 15:49.58 | invlpg[1] | yeah, it is probably my apt-get install wine32 |
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| 15:50.35 | invlpg[1] | btw - my gnome3 crashes when i log in |
| 15:50.54 | invlpg[1] | just once or twice and then logs in successfully. i have the /var/log/messages describing the seg fault |
| 15:51.01 | invlpg[1] | who should i be sending it to? |
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| 15:51.45 | invlpg[1] | to be more precise, it was gdbus crashing and this is when i logged in the computer |
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| 15:52.40 | jelly | invlpg[1]: that's normal for wine32... it's a 32bit app with lots of functionality |
| 15:53.41 | HoloIRCUser | shay_shay, the screen spontaneously go blank and very frequently, while working on the computer |
| 15:53.55 | invlpg[1] | jelly, yeah |
| 15:54.21 | invlpg[1] | any ideas about gdbus crashing? |
| 15:55.08 | HoloIRCUser | shay_shay, and then it doesn't unblank until sleep+resume or that xset command that I enter without seein what I do |
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| 16:00.06 | shay_shay | HoloIRCUser: spontaneously ? even while you are using it? or after a certain amount of time e.g. normal screen blanking (screensaver) timeout |
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| 16:03.59 | HoloIRCUser | shay_shay even when I am typing |
| 16:04.49 | shay_shay | HoloIRCUser: make/model? |
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| 16:21.05 | invlpg[1] | if i send using gmail a bug report to submit@bugs.debian.org in the right template |
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| 16:21.27 | invlpg[1] | is it valid? or i should be worrying about spacing and 80 chars in a line and such, just like linux mailing list? |
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| 16:24.30 | vladoski | how can I update my graphic card? |
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| 16:32.59 | vladoski | how can I update my graphic card? |
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| 16:33.41 | centrx | vladoski, You mean the driver? What graphic card is it? |
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| 16:34.38 | vladoski | centrx, is intel |
| 16:34.49 | vladoski | centrx, integrated card |
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| 16:35.22 | centrx | vladoski, Sorry I have to go, you can use either the xserver-xorg-video-intel driver or the proprietary Intel driver |
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| 16:37.14 | TuomasKotamaa | Hello. I've some trouble with Bitmask ( http://paste.debian.net/231996/ ). It started after upgrade. I can't start Bitmask as user anymore but as root I can. Is this a Debian issue, or a bug in the software? |
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| 16:39.48 | vladoski | no one that can help me? |
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| 16:44.26 | slidesinger-ss | Upgraded to jessie. Only one issue that I can't find an answer to. wlan0 is coming up in a soft-off state on boot. Does anyone have any ideas? (Checked the files in /etc/wicd and they indicate it should auto connect on boot.) |
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| 16:45.23 | fennesz | Hello ! can anyone explain what apt-get install -f does ? From the help file :-f Attempt to correct a system with broken dependencies in place , but how does apt-get know about broken dependecies when a software installation cancels due to errors? |
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| 16:48.57 | Brigo | fennesz, apt checks the dependencies of all installed packages and builds a dependencies tree. |
| 16:49.07 | Brigo | slidesinger-ss, soft-off state? |
| 16:49.11 | slidesinger-ss | fennesz: package state in the database. If you installed package x and it gens an error message, suggesting to try -f install, you can do: dpkg --get-selections | grep x and you should see the package state. |
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| 16:50.40 | slidesinger-ss | Brigo: rfkill list wireless LAN soft blocked: yes |
| 16:51.27 | Brigo | slidesinger-ss, oh, weird. |
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| 16:51.48 | Brigo | may be a driver or firmware issue? |
| 16:51.51 | slidesinger-ss | Brigo: turning the wireless off and on again via software fixes it for use, but does not do so on boot. |
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| 16:52.12 | slidesinger-ss | Brigo: worked perfectly in wheezy. |
| 16:52.26 | fennesz | so even an deb installation fails the dependecies tree are still built? that means if I have a failed installation there are files left on my system? |
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| 16:53.51 | Brigo | fennesz, the dependencies tres are build by apt each time you ask it to install something.hing |
| 16:54.11 | slidesinger-ss | fennesz: Sometimes. apt-get -f install looks at the incomplete package and usually either installs the required dependencies or removes the broken package. apt-get autoremove will then remove unused dependencies. |
| 16:54.24 | fennesz | Brigo, so if I am experimenting with software this can get pretty messy , correct? |
| 16:54.47 | Brigo | fennesz, no if you do it in the right way. |
| 16:54.55 | fennesz | slidesinger-ss, I see . That's nice |
| 16:55.01 | slidesinger-ss | fennesz: if you manually install dependencies, be sure you keep track of them. |
| 16:55.13 | Brigo | don't stop apt-get during stalling and not installing software from outside debian. |
| 16:55.42 | slidesinger-ss | fennesz: A note pad works wonders for that! |
| 16:56.03 | fennesz | yes I don't stop it , but I was curious that even if the installation gets errors , apt-get install-f fixes them . |
| 16:56.23 | slidesinger-ss | fennesz: usually. |
| 16:56.33 | fennesz | slidesinger-ss, you mean everytime I use apt-get install x , log x? |
| 16:57.04 | Brigo | fennesz, apt has its own log file. |
| 16:57.04 | fennesz | yes usually but still that means that there are references to the failed installation left . |
| 16:57.15 | fennesz | so I don't have to keep track ? |
| 16:57.17 | fennesz | :) |
| 16:57.44 | slidesinger-ss | fennesz: Take a look at the output from: dpkg --get-selections to get an idea. |
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| 16:59.17 | fennesz | ok let me check this |
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| 17:00.32 | fennesz | this gives me install / deinstall . Nothing failed or missing dependencies or something like that |
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| 17:04.03 | slidesinger-ss | fennesz: if the error came from dpkg, passed to apt (what I have usually seen) dpkg keeps track. https://raphaelhertzog.com/2011/02/21/debian-cleanup-tip-4-find-broken-packages-and-reinstall-them/ |
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| 17:05.00 | fennesz | thank you slidesinger-ss |
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| 17:08.21 | macfreek | how do i install gnome on debian 8? the instructions at https://wiki.debian.org/Gnome dont seem to work |
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| 17:10.38 | Brigo | macfreek, 'apt-get install task-gnome-desktop should' , as root, should suffice. |
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| 17:10.48 | Brigo | macfreek, 'apt-get install task-gnome-desktop' should , as root, should suffice. |
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| 17:11.04 | slidesinger-ss | Brigo: Thanks for the discussion. Amazing what changing one little word will do when searching, my explaining it to you helped me at least find the topic! Now all I have to do is find the fix. |
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| 17:11.39 | Haris | hello all |
| 17:11.44 | macfreek | Brigo: no installation candidate |
| 17:12.09 | Haris | I'm using lighttpd+django on this box. some php. I need to install php without the excess packages debian installs for apache with it. can it be done ? |
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| 17:13.19 | Brigo | macfreek, i go to go now, sorry, try apt-get update and then apt-get install task-gnome-desktop. If doesn't work, you have a problem with sources. |
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| 17:13.53 | HoloIRCUser | hello |
| 17:14.15 | macfreek | Brigo: ah, got it (no network mirror during install), tanks |
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| 17:15.48 | Haris | guys, anyone around ? |
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| 17:19.07 | Haris | now, for needing php5, even though I don't want apache, its installing it |
| 17:19.09 | Haris | on jessy |
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| 17:21.30 | bierdieb | Hello. Ive got some trouble writing to a fresh formatted usb drive. its formatted as fat32 and it should be fat 32. Is there a way to manage its mounted writeable to my standard user by default? |
| 17:22.54 | valdyn | !vfatrw |
| 17:22.55 | dpkg | To get write access to a <vfat> partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,user,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". |
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| 17:25.13 | bierdieb | valdyn, i guess this has to be done by rootaccess? |
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| 17:26.04 | valdyn | bierdieb: now what would be the point of access permissions when everyone can change them? |
| 17:26.14 | bierdieb | sure. |
| 17:26.38 | Krigsforbryter | Hello, i have a problem with creating a raid 6, some idea how to fix it? http://pastebin.com/wTMx6tbi |
| 17:27.17 | invlpg[1] | how long does it take until a bug report is answereD? |
| 17:27.22 | macfreek | `sudo tasksel install gnome-desktop --new-install` seems to be hanging at 0%... what do i do? |
| 17:27.30 | valdyn | invlpg[1]: that varies |
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| 17:29.55 | invlpg[1] | valdyn, then, glib bug reports? :P |
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| 17:32.14 | macfreek | ah, looks like a network glitch... not hanging anymore |
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| 17:44.22 | valdyn | Krigsforbryter: you need to set the chunk size (--chunk) |
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| 17:44.39 | valdyn | Krigsforbryter: the error message is totally irritating indeed |
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| 17:46.24 | valdyn | Krigsforbryter: err, no, nevermind |
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| 17:46.33 | valdyn | Krigsforbryter: you are using a fucked up character for "-" |
| 17:46.47 | valdyn | Krigsforbryter: how do you input that character? |
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| 17:47.18 | Krigsforbryter | valdyn: tnx, i copy from a guide on internet |
| 17:47.28 | valdyn | Krigsforbryter: and you are using it not at --verbose, but you *do* use it at the other options |
| 17:47.46 | valdyn | Krigsforbryter: just replace all the -- with minus signs |
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| 17:48.19 | Krigsforbryter | valdyn: yepp, --verbose i add to hope to get more info about the problem. Its working now :D |
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| 18:06.12 | Ademan | Can anyone confirm that resize2fs will compact the filesystem as needed to prevent data loss when shrinking? (A file physically stored near the end of the filesystem would be moved towards the beginning so that the new, smaller, filesystem, still has that file) |
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| 18:15.26 | cyph3x | had a quick question, if I am SSHing into a a server to throw some commands at it, how do i execute those commands to run remotely on the server so I can close the terminal window without the process stopping on the server |
| 18:15.38 | t3chguy | add & to the end |
| 18:15.41 | t3chguy | to background it |
| 18:15.44 | t3chguy | actually no |
| 18:15.46 | t3chguy | nohup it |
| 18:16.03 | carandraug | or maybe use screen? |
| 18:16.10 | t3chguy | well, if you don't need to access them later |
| 18:16.14 | t3chguy | nohyp (command) & |
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| 18:17.04 | cyph3x | so no hip will have it run remotely, but if i close the terminal I obviously wont be able to check the status of whatever is being executed without remotely controlling the machine i assume |
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| 18:17.08 | cyph3x | nohyp* |
| 18:18.19 | t3chguy | nohup just detaches it from your terminal |
| 18:18.27 | t3chguy | so when you close your terminal, it won't Sigterm the process |
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| 18:18.48 | cyph3x | nohangup, got it, cheers man. you a sexy man |
| 18:19.09 | cyph3x | <3 |
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| 18:33.40 | SteveLuxe | Hey guys! Can anyone help me troubleshoot a problem with an Intel Baytrail SoC kernel module that isn't loading? |
| 18:34.03 | SteveLuxe | Not sure what to do as far as getting it working... |
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| 18:35.12 | bsdtux | Steve can do a pastebin or dpaste of dmesg and /var/log/messages? |
| 18:35.29 | kumavis | hello/ |
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| 18:35.49 | SteveLuxe | I'd love to, bsdtux, but I don't have a pastebin account... |
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| 18:36.10 | SteveLuxe | oh, I guess I don't need one |
| 18:36.19 | bsdtux | yes sir no need for an account |
| 18:36.20 | SteveLuxe | Sure, I'll pastebin my dmesg |
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| 18:38.25 | SteveLuxe | bsdtux: I pasted it at http://pastebin.com/B3KZzvyJ |
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| 18:39.07 | dmacks | I'm getting an "untrusted connection" error from packages.debian.org (invalid certificate; Error code: sec_error_unknown_issuer) |
| 18:39.11 | SteveLuxe | specifically, it's looking for a module called byt-rt5640 which it says it can't find |
| 18:39.33 | dmacks | Firefox doesn't even give me an "okay, let me connect insecurely" option. Was working as of a few weeks ago. |
| 18:39.47 | bsdtux | SteveLuxe have you installed the linux-firmware package |
| 18:39.57 | SteveLuxe | yes, bsdtux, I have |
| 18:39.59 | bsdtux | Normally that is a good first step. |
| 18:40.01 | kumavis | ive heard that the debian philosophy is to compile all binaries from source and not accept provided binaries -- does this sound correct or am I mistaken? |
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| 18:40.24 | SteveLuxe | It's looking for a module called byt-5640 |
| 18:40.32 | SteveLuxe | and it can't find it if I modprobe it, |
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| 18:40.59 | SteveLuxe | however, there is a snd-soc-sst-byt-rt5640-mach.ko in /lib/modules/ |
| 18:41.13 | kumavis | is this general unix thinking or is this tenet specific to debian? |
| 18:41.27 | bsdtux | try a insmod /lib/modules/snd-soc-sst-byt-rt5640-mach.ko |
| 18:41.34 | valdyn | kumavis: no |
| 18:41.43 | kumavis | valdyn: to which part |
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| 18:41.45 | SteveLuxe | ok... lemme try that |
| 18:41.53 | valdyn | kumavis: both |
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| 18:42.11 | kumavis | valdyn: both i am correct and i am mistaken? |
| 18:42.21 | SteveLuxe | bsdtux: insmod: ERROR: could not insert module snd-soc-sst-byt-rt5640-mach.ko: File exists |
| 18:42.22 | valdyn | kumavis: you are mistaken |
| 18:42.32 | kumavis | valdyn: so this is not a tenet of debian |
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| 18:42.52 | valdyn | kumavis: it is a tenet of debian |
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| 18:43.03 | kumavis | ah ok good |
| 18:43.18 | bsdtux | SteveLuxe can you give this link a try http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2254631 |
| 18:43.21 | valdyn | kumavis: its not a) specific to debian nor b) a unix tenet |
| 18:43.34 | SteveLuxe | sure bsdtux... let me take a look |
| 18:44.28 | kumavis | valdyn: interesting -- you seem to suggest that other unix distros follow this, but not all -- seems probable |
| 18:44.46 | SteveLuxe | should I purge firmware-linux? |
| 18:44.58 | SteveLuxe | before I add that particular firmware file? |
| 18:45.01 | kumavis | valdyn: im a newb when it comes to the lower levels of computing so pardon if this question does not really make sense -- but could debian sign the binaries it creates when compiling with the local user's key so as to enforce the self-compile philosophy? |
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| 18:45.37 | valdyn | kumavis: feel free to *read* stuff on the web, but in here is no place to explain this stuff |
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| 18:46.54 | fennesz | Guys does anyone know where iceweasel stores its bookmarks? |
| 18:47.12 | valdyn | fennesz: wherever you stored the profile |
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| 18:47.33 | valdyn | fennesz: ~/.mozilla/firefox/ |
| 18:47.43 | fennesz | valdyn, thank you |
| 18:48.16 | SteveLuxe | bsdtux: would it be advisable to purge firmware-linux before putting the firmware in there? |
| 18:48.29 | fennesz | can I open a nautilus from the terminal at the working directory? |
| 18:48.38 | bsdtux | I would SteveLuxe |
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| 18:48.43 | SteveLuxe | ok |
| 18:48.53 | dcz | hello guys, i was trying to install TILDA , i get this error https://paste.kde.org/phkdxbtir , after i run " ./autogen.sh --prefix=/usr " |
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| 18:51.53 | dmacks | Anyone else getting certificate errors trying to access *.debian.org websites? |
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| 18:52.48 | bsdtux | dmacks I am not seeing any cert errors. |
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| 18:54.40 | SteveLuxe | bsdtux: I copied the firmware over to the machine. Is there a way to test it without a reboot? |
| 18:55.38 | bsdtux | try modprobe byt-5640 or insmod /lib/modules/intel/<module name>.ko |
| 18:55.47 | SteveLuxe | ok |
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| 18:59.17 | dmacks | bsdtux: Is it supposed to be issued by "Gandi", serial# 1E:65:41:58:65:DA:93:4F:0A:4C:B9:FC:D7:8B:65:4E ? |
| 19:00.01 | bsdtux | dmacks not sure. That would be a question for whoever purchases their SSL Certificates. |
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| 19:00.27 | dmacks | This is something that someone who can access their website can view in their browser. |
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| 19:00.57 | dmacks | (before I add a manual exception, trying to double-check that it matches what someone else has) |
| 19:00.58 | bsdtux | dmacks according to the Cert chain it looks like Gandi is the intermidate cert |
| 19:01.16 | dmacks | okay thanks |
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| 19:02.27 | SteveLuxe | thanks for your help bsdtux! I think that might have done it! :) |
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| 19:09.57 | SteveLuxe | well.. it loaded the firmware for acpi, bsdtux, but still no dice on the sound firmware... it's saying Invalid FW sign/filesize mismatch |
| 19:10.25 | fennesz | guys is there any software for file synchronisation ? |
| 19:10.55 | fennesz | i ve read about rsync , but I would like your opinions too |
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| 19:11.00 | SteveLuxe | rsync, fennesz |
| 19:12.00 | valdyn | fennesz: you need to specify what you need, "file synchronisation" is as vague as it gets |
| 19:12.11 | fennesz | valdyn , yes sorry ! |
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| 19:13.28 | fennesz | i have a folder on my hard drive that want to regularly backup . in there , there are subfolders that get regularly updated , ie created /renamed /deleted files . |
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| 19:14.02 | fennesz | I want to have this folder mirrored to my backup drive |
| 19:14.08 | SteveLuxe | rsync + cron would probably do the trick, fennesz |
| 19:14.24 | fennesz | I will look into rsync SteveLuxe |
| 19:14.27 | fennesz | Thank you |
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| 19:14.41 | SteveLuxe | sure thing, fennesz! |
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| 19:15.06 | SteveLuxe | If you want to do it automatically, fennesz, I'd create a cron job to run rsync for you. |
| 19:15.13 | fennesz | SteveLuxe, does this work on network too ? |
| 19:15.18 | macfreek | how do i force ipv4 for gdebi? |
| 19:15.21 | SteveLuxe | Yep... Rsync doesn't care |
| 19:15.42 | macfreek | oh it wraps apt, nvm |
| 19:15.54 | fennesz | SteveLuxe, yes the sync would be nice as soon as I am connected to the same network |
| 19:16.06 | fennesz | or whenever I plug in the ext drive |
| 19:16.09 | SteveLuxe | as long as you're attached to the network drive, fennesz, and it's mounted, you can rsync from / to it |
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| 19:16.34 | fennesz | Ok I will study this in more detail |
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| 19:16.58 | SteveLuxe | Just be careful using the --delete switch with rsync. If it's in the wrong order, you could lose source files. |
| 19:17.12 | fennesz | yes I guess |
| 19:17.27 | fennesz | this wouldn't be fun at all |
| 19:17.32 | fennesz | :-| |
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| 19:17.59 | SteveLuxe | otherwise, you could probably do an "rsync -Pa /path/to/source /path/to/destination" |
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| 19:18.35 | SteveLuxe | your arguments may vary, depending on what you need to do |
| 19:18.44 | fennesz | yes have to read more on that |
| 19:18.46 | fennesz | :) |
| 19:19.11 | fennesz | is there a way to search for the network drive and sync as soon as it finds it? |
| 19:19.18 | SteveLuxe | the command that I just gave you should preserve file attributes / permissions from source to destination |
| 19:19.50 | fennesz | bad question , it obviously will work if I give a network destination |
| 19:20.24 | SteveLuxe | yeah, but you can add a cron job to do it at regular intervals automatically, if you want to do it that way, too |
| 19:20.47 | SteveLuxe | as soon as you know what arguments you want to use with rsync |
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| 19:23.28 | fennesz | i think its time for me to get some sleep ! appreciate your help ! gn |
| 19:23.37 | SteveLuxe | goodnight fennesz! |
| 19:23.43 | fennesz | :) |
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| 19:33.39 | macfreek | are uuids embedded in the device or assigned by the OS (i.e. i just reimaged, does my SSD have the same UUID)? |
| 19:34.20 | SteveLuxe | they're usually assigned by the OS. If you repartitioned, chances are you have a new UUID, macfreek |
| 19:35.11 | valdyn | macfreek: the uuid is simply generated and written to the block device (or file) |
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| 19:35.20 | SteveLuxe | try "ls /dev/disk/by-uuid" to find out your uuid |
| 19:36.22 | SteveLuxe | gotta run all! thanks for the help! :) |
| 19:36.39 | macfreek | tht works, ty |
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| 19:47.30 | jhutchins | macfreek: also blkid |
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| 19:56.11 | Ademan | How do people handle backups for headless servers? rsnapshot seems good enough, but I'm curious what else people are using |
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| 19:58.49 | ompaul | Ademan: it depends on your (A) requirements (B) budget you want enough to restore to a point you find useful or you want to not lose anything or you have very specific needs and only care about data and o/s can go the way of the dinosaurs |
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| 20:00.38 | yoLo__ | is anyone able to connect his android phone to his debian OS at all ? |
| 20:01.03 | yoLo__ | debian pc* |
| 20:01.41 | yoLo__ | the phone storage directory does not appear when i connect my phone :( |
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| 20:02.02 | p8m | Ademan: rdiff-backup |
| 20:03.23 | Walex | yoLo__: MTP? |
| 20:03.30 | yoLo__ | Walex: yes |
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| 20:04.01 | p8m | I've never gotten mtp to work reliably with any of the various implementations. I sftp files between my pc and phone |
| 20:04.09 | Walex | yoLo__: my impression is that it is work-in-progress, and there must be sometimes android-version specific workarounds. |
| 20:04.30 | Walex | yoLo__: try to get or make a backport of a much newer version. |
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| 20:05.16 | Walex | yoLo__: You can also theoretically use BlueTooth for file transfer, or as "p8m" says, SFTP or even RSYNC. |
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| 20:05.32 | jhutchins | yoLo__: I have been able to connect mine in the past. When I had an encrypted phone I couldn't. |
| 20:05.37 | yoLo__ | Walex: i do use bluetooth |
| 20:05.47 | yoLo__ | jhutchins: so have i |
| 20:05.54 | Walex | yoLo__: then switch and try USB, it is semi-random as you have noticed. |
| 20:06.15 | jhutchins | yoLo__: I haevn't tried with jessie. |
| 20:06.47 | yoLo__ | jhutchins: when my android was kitkat i had no problems |
| 20:07.09 | yoLo__ | when it went lollipop, things stopped |
| 20:07.30 | yoLo__ | does not even work with windows 7 |
| 20:07.42 | yoLo__ | storage appears but empty |
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| 20:07.53 | jhutchins | I'm on 4.4.4 whatever that is. |
| 20:08.04 | yoLo__ | kitkat |
| 20:08.30 | yoLo__ | lollipop is 5.0 and up |
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| 20:10.29 | eddard | I'm wrestling with a Dell XPS 9530. After install acpi-support (aptitude), a vertical green line started to appear ofsset to the right from the center of the screen. Persists through reboots. Present in bios screen. Did I kill the lcd panel? |
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| 20:12.24 | jhutchins | eddard: Very unlikely that you hurt it, it's likely it just coincidentally failed. |
| 20:12.52 | jhutchins | eddard: I presume you've power-cycled both display and PC? |
| 20:13.31 | eddard | jhutchins: It's a laptop. You say reboot might not help but battery drain would? |
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| 20:18.33 | jhutchins | eddard: Power off should be power off. |
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| 20:19.22 | eddard | jhutchins: It's currently off ... lemme check. |
| 20:19.51 | jhutchins | eddard: That could be a problem with the internal connector. |
| 20:19.59 | TJ- | eddard: I'd suspect you have a GPU overheating/BGA dry-joint problem |
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| 20:20.16 | jhutchins | TJ-: Seriously? You think that would cause a display issue? |
| 20:20.22 | eddard | jhutchins: Green Line present even before the "Dell" logo pops onto the screen |
| 20:20.38 | trewas | battery completely off occasionally can help if nothing else does, there is no other way to really cold boot a laptop otherwise |
| 20:22.02 | TJ- | jhutchins: There's no doubt - there was a massive problem with this when RHoS required lead-free solder ... many manufacturers using mobile nvidia GPUs in particular took a massive hit over it. The solution is to either reflow or reball the GPU |
| 20:22.02 | eddard | trewas: I suppose opening it up is the way to go? Just letting it run will have power saving make it sleep continuously ... |
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| 20:22.41 | eddard | TJ-: when was that? |
| 20:22.57 | jhutchins | TJ-: I think I mis-read your post. |
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| 20:24.09 | trewas | eddard: I have samsung ultrabook with internal battery and it has a hole for doing a cold boot (which can be poked with a paperclip or something), maybe that dell has something similar |
| 20:24.14 | TJ- | eddard: The problems began in 2007-8 ish and are mostly worked around now but there are still a few design issues where this rears its head. The first signs are random lines on the LCD as only 1 or 2 solder joints being drying... eventually it gets worse and the screen will remain black. I've fixed a shed load of laptops with this issue |
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| 20:25.10 | TJ- | eddard: My first question would be this: have you cleaned out the fan and radiator fins of the accumulated fluff to ensure perfect ventilation. That is the usual trigger for this issue |
| 20:25.24 | eddard | TJ-: Ok. Send to Dell is the only option then if you are not a hard wareish person? |
| 20:25.41 | eddard | TJ-: THis thing is really new. |
| 20:26.15 | TJ- | eddard: Well if its under warranty Dell will usually replace the motherboard. There are also many 3rd party reball services, and you can also reflow it yourself with some care |
| 20:26.46 | eddard | Nothing long/serious. |
| 20:26.47 | eddard | ~6 month, but not run a lot - still trying to set it up and working on the config now and then. |
| 20:27.27 | TJ- | eddard: check for blockages in the cooling system first - that's real easy |
| 20:27.36 | eddard | TJ-: Thank you. Will check what they have to say. |
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| 20:29.13 | TJ- | eddard: 2nd: if there is a removable trapdoor on the bottom of the laptop which when removed allows you to see the heatsink on top of the GPU ... rest the laptop on its left side like a birthday card, press your finger down really hard on the GPU to force a good physical connection, and try rebooting whilst watching the screen carefully. If that line flickers or goes away as you press down ... that confirms dry-solder jointing is the issue |
| 20:30.05 | TJ- | eddard: insulate your finger - the heatsink will get rather hot rapidly :) |
| 20:31.21 | eddard | TJ-: No trap door :( |
| 20:32.00 | TJ- | eddard: try the fluff test. I use an air compressor to blow out in both directions |
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| 20:32.42 | eddard | TJ-: something entirely different (as you seem the laptop king) - what's the slickest, most debian-compatible power machine you can think of? I really loved the idea of the xps 9530, but is has been rather painful to setup (and now seems broken). |
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| 20:33.14 | TJ- | eddard: I have no idea! |
| 20:33.50 | TJ- | I have a fleet of XPS 15's that are all identical so they can be hot-swapped and are easily self-serviced |
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| 20:35.10 | eddard | TJ-: Have you ever seen the problem that the wireless is hard locked, rfkill can't do a thing about that and the only solution is to boot, send the machine into suspend (pm-suspend) & wake it up. At that point wifi is ready? |
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| 20:35.23 | TJ- | eddard: looks like its about 9 screws to release the base of that model, and on the Dell community forums is a photo of what's underneath. http://en.community.dell.com/cfs-file/__key/communityserver-discussions-components-files/3518/91whr.JPG |
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| 20:36.04 | eddard | TJ-: I'll give it a try. |
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| 20:36.29 | TJ- | eddard: I've read of some firmware issues that can cause those symptoms; I believe a factory default reset of the firmware usually helps |
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| 20:36.45 | yoLo_ | in what folder are the debian wallapapers ? |
| 20:37.39 | TJ- | eddard: overheating seems to be an issue with that model. Read some of the reports in the Dell forum: http://en.community.dell.com/support-forums/laptop/f/3518/t/19540043 |
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| 20:38.00 | japesinator | how can I add a .pem file from a website to the root ca list? |
| 20:38.20 | japesinator | I tried exporting it in firefox and moving it to /etc/ssl/certs, but that doesn't seem to work |
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| 20:39.19 | TJ- | yoLo_: I think it depends in which desktop you're using. Try "dpkg -S wallpaper" |
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| 20:39.56 | TJ- | japesinator: the CA certs bundle usually needs regenerating |
| 20:40.08 | japesinator | how do I do that? |
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| 20:40.17 | TJ- | japesinator: See "man update-ca-certificates" |
| 20:40.42 | japesinator | I actually ran update-ca-certificates and nothing happened |
| 20:41.11 | acz32 | if a package breaks in stable is it usually updated to a newer version that is released to fix it or does it remain broken for 2 years? |
| 20:41.36 | greycat | Probably depends on the popularity of the package, and whether the break is security-related. |
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| 20:41.46 | greycat | Security bugs will certainly be fixed, and quickly. |
| 20:41.56 | acz32 | it's minitube, so probably popular but not related to security |
| 20:42.05 | eddard | TJ-: Resetting the bios to optimized settings does not fix the hard blocked wifi issue. |
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| 20:42.30 | greycat | It's not whether the package is "related to security", but whether that particular bug/break allows an intruder to gain access to resources he shouldn't. |
| 20:42.47 | acz32 | i know. i meant it being broken has no security implications |
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| 20:43.06 | TJ- | eddard: Does the Wifi chipset require a firmware upload? |
| 20:43.25 | eddard | TJ-: iwlwifi. Does that? |
| 20:43.32 | acz32 | people will just need to start using flash for youtube again or mpv/vlc which is more involved |
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| 20:43.48 | greycat | The jessie version of x2x is totally unusable for me between HP-UX and Linux, so I filed a bug and downgraded to wheezy's version. |
| 20:43.53 | at0m|c | acz32: or youtube-dl |
| 20:43.59 | TJ- | eddard: Many of them do. Look in "/lib/firmware/" |
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| 20:44.43 | acz32 | at0m|c: youtube-dl is nice for downloading videos to your hard disk, but sometimes i just want to stream it |
| 20:45.16 | TJ- | eddard: to figure out if the chipset in that PC does, try "grep firmware /var/log/dmesg" |
| 20:45.33 | acz32 | minitube's website has a .deb you can download, but i usually try avoiding that |
| 20:46.15 | TJ- | eddard: sometimes the firmware fails to load at boot-time but after a suspend-resume it loads correctly. Rare, but I've seen that due to udev races. |
| 20:46.25 | eddard | TJ-: It does .... direct loading firmware etc. |
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| 20:47.09 | eddard | Can that firmware be updated? |
| 20:47.44 | TJ- | eddard: Only if the chipset manufacturer releases a new version. With Intel their new firmwares usually make it into linux-firmware pretty quickly |
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| 20:49.12 | eddard | TJ-: Just realized the iwlwifi-firmware package wasn't unstable yet ... trying. |
| 20:49.40 | TJ- | eddard: some of the Intel WireLess drivers have a "fw_restart" module parameter "fw_restart:restart firmware in case of error (int)" which might help you test if firmware could be the culprit. I'd suspect a PC BIOS/firmware bug or something in the ACPI side |
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| 20:50.53 | sixy`` | hi guise, quick question, i should be just fine with a debian-8.1.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso.torrent, meaning just the first dvd to get a lot of things going ? |
| 20:51.17 | sixy`` | holy moly ! 3.71 gb in one dvd ;d |
| 20:51.20 | greycat | sixy``: that's WAY more than you will need. |
| 20:51.26 | sixy`` | o lol |
| 20:51.30 | at0m|c | sixy``: that's why many use netinstall |
| 20:51.33 | sixy`` | thats a good answer i like that right now hah |
| 20:51.37 | sixy`` | i see |
| 20:51.39 | sixy`` | what would be cool |
| 20:51.40 | head8debian | You can just use the first CD too. |
| 20:51.42 | greycat | !netinst |
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| 20:51.43 | dpkg | netinst is, like, a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
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| 20:51.52 | sixy`` | the only thing is netinstall, i would have to configure wifiadapter |
| 20:51.53 | eddard | TJ-: The firmwar upgrade didn't do it. |
| 20:52.09 | sixy`` | i have no wired connection, only wireless adapter for outside connection |
| 20:52.14 | at0m|c | sixy``:/ |
| 20:52.18 | sixy`` | ya i know :/ |
| 20:52.33 | head8debian | sixy``: If your wifi card has open drivers you shouldn't have a issue. |
| 20:52.37 | sixy`` | just really want netinstall and start with x |
| 20:52.50 | head8debian | Then go with the live cd. |
| 20:52.51 | sixy`` | well, slitaz configures the adapter without a problem, its an apple chip |
| 20:53.06 | sixy`` | i see, live cd, ya that sounds better |
| 20:53.14 | TJ- | eddard: I'm out of ideas. I'd search the LKML or kernel bugzilla for mentions of that make/model of PC and the wifi chipset ID in case there are existing reports and possibly workarounds/fixes |
| 20:53.20 | head8debian | live dvd is much bigger. |
| 20:53.25 | sixy`` | i should still be able to install on hdd from live cd ? |
| 20:53.30 | sixy`` | yeah its 3.7gb. which i have no issues with |
| 20:53.35 | sixy`` | dvd fits 4gb+ right? |
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| 20:53.44 | head8debian | Yes. |
| 20:53.49 | at0m|c | and on usb sticks |
| 20:53.54 | jafo | I need help packaging a library. Where can I get help on that? |
| 20:53.56 | sixy`` | i have 32gb stick |
| 20:54.02 | at0m|c | doesnt waste plastic ;p |
| 20:54.05 | sixy`` | but i think i would like it on a DvD |
| 20:54.14 | head8debian | Heh, it would take all night to download a dvd here. :p |
| 20:54.15 | sixy`` | hehe your right, sometimes just seems slightly... well easier to have it on dv |
| 20:54.40 | eddard | TJ-: Googled this to my heart's content. There's people with the same issue, but no fixes (aside from suspending) - see here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1443873 ; thanks for your hints, anyway. |
| 20:54.40 | sixy`` | hah, lucky me 110mbshared though |
| 20:54.54 | head8debian | sixy``: :) |
| 20:55.24 | head8debian | Stop abusing your conection and save more for the rest of us. :p |
| 20:55.35 | head8debian | lol. |
| 20:55.40 | sixy`` | haha |
| 20:55.46 | sixy`` | come, ill gif u some bandwidth ;d |
| 20:55.50 | sixy`` | as much as you can carry ;d haha |
| 20:55.59 | sixy`` | i guess itll be cinnamon? |
| 20:56.07 | sixy`` | for someone who has ran debian 4.0 in past for apache web server |
| 20:56.15 | sixy`` | what would i go for now days |
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| 20:56.33 | sixy`` | gnome/kde.. was never able to decide, i think gnome ;d |
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| 20:57.37 | TJ- | eddard: Thanks! interesting too... I'd imagined there was a dedicated hardware switch but if it requires a keyboard combo that could be caused by the ACPI/keyboard driver not being loaded or configured correctly before a suspend/resume. I'd be interested to see a /var/log/kern.log captured after a cold boot, suspend/resume cycle with the hard-kill combo being pressed once before and after the suspend. Also, edit the kernel's boot command-line and add "debug" to ge |
| 20:57.37 | TJ- | t maximum information logged. |
| 20:57.39 | sixy`` | hides |
| 20:57.51 | sixy`` | AMERICAN_PSYCHO entered.. jk :d |
| 20:58.29 | head8debian | Just use MATE... or even better I3. :p |
| 20:59.03 | sixy`` | i see |
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| 20:59.33 | sixy`` | Ok |
| 20:59.40 | sixy`` | Why not, i suppose ill give it a try :d |
| 21:00.00 | sixy`` | what about standard :D standard is always great |
| 21:00.01 | sixy`` | isnt it ? ;d |
| 21:00.03 | sixy`` | heheheeheheh |
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| 21:00.22 | sixy`` | if we were to compare |
| 21:00.22 | Greylocks | fluxbox is awesome ;) |
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| 21:00.31 | sixy`` | which is more military grade, mate, or standard??? :D bhehehe |
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| 21:00.38 | sixy`` | this is like the why chicken cross road question :D |
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| 21:01.36 | eddard | TJ-: How to hook up off irc? I will not be able to do this now, but am interested to follow up ... |
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| 21:01.51 | toad_ | how aggressive is steam DRM? will debian continue to package it if it demands a kernel module in future? |
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| 21:02.06 | TJ- | eddard: You can leave me a note using MemoServ on here |
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| 21:03.54 | sixy`` | well im just about done downloading mate ;d |
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| 21:04.06 | sixy`` | mah accountabilabuddy ;d |
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| 21:04.28 | toad_ | also, how much work / how feasible is it to set up a container to run mythtv in so that my install isn't tainted by deb-multimedia? |
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| 21:05.07 | sixy`` | 6.5mb a sec, kinda slow :/ |
| 21:06.04 | sixy`` | hey guise, remember the hackers movie |
| 21:06.08 | sixy`` | "omg its a 56k modem" |
| 21:06.08 | sixy`` | :D |
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| 21:11.50 | aedinius | sixy``: it was twenty eight bee pee ess |
| 21:12.02 | aedinius | err twentyeight eight |
| 21:12.10 | aedinius | sixy``: 56k, wtf |
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| 21:43.06 | StanleyGoodman | i'm trying to mount /tmp as a tmpfs. /etc/default/tmpfs modified to include "RAMTMP=yes" did nothing. |
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| 21:44.25 | at0m|c | try via fstab? |
| 21:44.41 | StanleyGoodman | will do. |
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| 21:45.11 | StanleyGoodman | tmpfs /tmp tmpfs nodev,nosuid,size=20%,mode=1777 0 0 |
| 21:45.18 | StanleyGoodman | any idea what mode=1777 means? |
| 21:45.41 | at0m|c | man chmod |
| 21:45.53 | StanleyGoodman | ah, chmod. ok |
| 21:46.12 | d3lphi | hi all. I am running on two Linux hosts Debian Jessie, and just realized I have two different kernels and php5 version, although both are Jessie. How can that be ? |
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| 21:47.40 | at0m|c | d3lphi: are they both up to date? |
| 21:47.44 | at0m|c | ,v linux-image-amd64 |
| 21:47.45 | judd | Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.6.32+29; squeeze-backports: 3.2+46~bpo60+1; wheezy: 3.2+46; wheezy-backports: 3.16+63~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.16+63; stretch: 3.16+63; sid: 4.0+64 |
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| 21:55.23 | rmzelnick | hello everyone |
| 21:55.47 | rmzelnick | I'd like to know if it's possible to recompile all of the packages installed in my Debian Jessie machine |
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| 21:56.26 | rmzelnick | I have some flags I'd like to add such as -pclmul, -maes, and -march=corei7 |
| 21:56.48 | rmzelnick | for GCC in which case |
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| 21:58.29 | teraflop | ^ |
| 21:59.03 | d3lphi | Host1 says at0m|c yes, just did run "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade" and what I also don't understand: "lsb_release -a" is same on both machines but machine1 shows for uname -a "3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt11-1 (2015-05-24) x86_64 GNU/Linux" and machine2 shows for uname -a "3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.46-1 x86_64 GNU/Linux" Why ? |
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| 22:11.26 | n-st | hi, i'm trying to rebuild procps 3.3.3 from the source package in the wheezy repo, but it keeps failing while running the final testcases (after compiling everything successfully). someone obviously managed to `debuild` a binary package from that source package, so what could i be missing here? |
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| 22:16.07 | StanleyGoodman | at0m|c, it didn't work - mounting /tmp to tmpfs didn't work via fstab |
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| 22:17.10 | StanleyGoodman | i mounted my /media/chroot/tmp as tmpfs successfully using fstab |
| 22:17.16 | StanleyGoodman | but /tmp didn't mount as tmpfs |
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| 22:22.11 | blahdeblah | Hi. Why doesn't the updated xen-hypervisor-4.1-amd64 (4.1.4-3+deb7u8) from DSA-3286-1 require a reboot? Is it something that is able to be patched in-memory? |
| 22:22.29 | friki | Hi, is the standalone use of the heartbeat package is discouraged? (w/o pacemaker/corosync, etc) |
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| 22:27.01 | StanleyGoodman | sorry, I just lost my satelite connection |
| 22:27.14 | StanleyGoodman | not sure if my messages went through, so I am going to resend them |
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| 22:28.06 | StanleyGoodman | at0m|c, it didn't work - mounting /tmp to tmpfs didn't work via fstab. i mounted my /media/chroot/tmp as tmpfs successfully using fstab. but /tmp didn't mount as tmpfs. df -h tmpfs /media/chroot/tmp /dev/mapper/LV-tmp /tmp |
| 22:29.07 | VLanX | Please help! How does Debian know what NIC to use as default gateway if you have two? I have tho bridges, br0 and br1 and it keeps wanting to use the wrong one!! :( |
| 22:30.05 | StanleyGoodman | man route |
| 22:30.21 | curby | or `ip route` |
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| 22:30.54 | VLanX | guys, the documentation is very controversial |
| 22:31.01 | VLanX | I need smth to work under 8.1 |
| 22:31.09 | VLanX | I keep finding commands that dont work |
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| 22:40.29 | nezZario | This is ridiculous.. |
| 22:40.55 | nezZario | Ok, I reinstalled debian over the weekend and messed up some pulseaudio confg files, could never get them back right, so I figured why not, and just did yet another reinstall - audio works fine, yadda yadda... |
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| 22:41.17 | nezZario | Just now, I muted it through the xfce audio manager, and I go to unmute it .. and I have no audio again ? |
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| 22:42.05 | VLanX | fuck this |
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| 22:44.56 | nezZario | I don't even know what to do at this point. alsamixers shows channels are all up/unmuted -- just wanted to double check outside of the xfce audio manager |
| 22:45.03 | nezZario | But no audio on anything |
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| 22:49.38 | nezZario | https://i.imgur.com/J4N5vgQ.png <-- this is alsamixer .. pulseaudio is running. I even double checked it's not the speakers themselves by trying another pair of speakers. |
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| 23:01.13 | SuperTramp83 | neZzrio: did this happen after you unplugged the earphones or something? |
| 23:01.39 | SuperTramp83 | I'm on Debian xfce too and I had that issue after listening to some music with my earphones on |
| 23:01.50 | SuperTramp83 | then restarted the pc and no sound.. |
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| 23:02.33 | SuperTramp83 | the fix was in "Audio Mixer" |
| 23:02.51 | SuperTramp83 | can't remember what exactly I did though.. |
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| 23:08.51 | debong | why is forums.debian down? |
| 23:09.00 | centrx | The mystery continues |
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| 23:10.58 | nezZario | SuperTramp83, I've always had the issue that you had to go into the audio mixer and unmute the channel. for some reason when you turn the audio all the way down, it would mute it, and not unmute it |
| 23:11.04 | nezZario | but this is .. different .. everything is unmuted |
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| 23:14.25 | SuperTramp83 | I see :( |
| 23:14.47 | SuperTramp83 | Hope someone more knowledgeable than myself can help |
| 23:15.13 | sixy`` | perepares injection of Virus X into SuperTramp83's personal computer machine |
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| 23:15.56 | SuperTramp83 | Yeah. You are very welcome to try! |
| 23:15.59 | sixy`` | ;d |
| 23:16.03 | sixy`` | heheeheheh |
| 23:16.06 | SuperTramp83 | :) |
| 23:18.39 | nezZario | SuperTramp83, someone pointed me in the right direction on OFTC's #debian -- it appears as of recently it also mutes the pulseaudio output not only alsa, so installing this little app called pavucontrol let me unmute it |
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| 23:19.26 | SuperTramp83 | nice to know that. thx for the info! |
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| 23:22.00 | ahop | Have you ever used "alsamixer" ? |
| 23:22.43 | centrx | I assume you're talking to me? |
| 23:22.50 | ahop | yes centrx :) |
| 23:22.56 | centrx | I have used it. How did you know? |
| 23:23.34 | ahop | I knew it. |
| 23:24.17 | ahop | centrx: I want to set default volume = -3dB for all future soundcards that will be connected |
| 23:24.26 | ahop | even for soundcards that haven't been connected yet |
| 23:24.36 | detergnet | how can I make my X.org recognize XF86AudioMute? xdotool XF86Launch1 makes xev output a KeyPress and KeyRelease for XF86Launch1, but xdotool XF86AudioMute just shows a KeymapNotify; same with XF86AudioRaiseVolume and XF86AudioLowerVolume |
| 23:24.48 | centrx | ahop, I don't know how to do that |
| 23:24.57 | centrx | ahop, #alsa might know |
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| 23:27.08 | at0m|c | ahop: amixer can do that from command line for specific device. udev script? |
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| 23:28.03 | ahop | at0m|c: yes but the mixer device name is specific to each soundcard |
| 23:28.28 | ahop | at0m|c: what I want is : all soundcards that will be connected ever, will have -3dB as default volume |
| 23:28.35 | ahop | instead of 50% (-18dB or something like this) |
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| 23:51.02 | jvelasquez | how could I take a snapshot of all my dpkg packages so that I can put my system in the exact same set of packages later? |
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