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| 00:10.58 | jordanm | !tell jvelasquez about aptitude clone |
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| 00:18.21 | jvelasquez | jordanm, thank you. |
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| 00:21.20 | jvelasquez | jordanm, it's too bad aptitude didn't have a more mindless command like aptitude mklist > pkg_list; cat pkg_list > aptitude uselist |
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| 00:23.55 | vook | I kinda think the 'dpkg --get-selections' / 'dpkg --set-selections' approach is more simple... |
| 00:24.55 | themill | except that loses lots of useful informatin |
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| 00:51.04 | no-educacionit | fuck you all |
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| 00:54.16 | jvelasquez | damn children |
| 00:54.39 | p0wersploit | can't wait for my snares penguin laptop :) |
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| 00:55.48 | jvelasquez | p0wersploit, hey. does John the ripper save it's progress? |
| 00:56.18 | jvelasquez | p0wersploit, if I kill it, will it continue from where I killed it? |
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| 00:58.43 | p0wersploit | Pretty sure you can save a file and pick it up from that |
| 00:58.49 | centrx | Internet says yes |
| 00:58.54 | centrx | (Goggles) |
| 00:59.51 | p0wersploit | I don't really use password crackers very often... |
| 01:00.31 | p0wersploit | Boring to crack passwords I know just to prove I can so yeah |
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| 01:44.38 | doomikus | Where can I get a list of packages installed by default in Wheezy, for example. I've googled and am having a hard time finding anything |
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| 01:48.33 | Epakai | http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/90523/what-packages-are-installed-by-default-in-debian-is-there-a-term-for-that-set seems like a pretty good answer |
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| 01:51.07 | Epakai | but during install you have a choice of other tasks to install (common desktops, servers, laptop tools) |
| 01:51.32 | doomikus | right, I know there is some variety depending on services and DEs selected |
| 01:53.18 | doomikus | I don't have debian on this box but I 'spose I could always fire up a vm. figured there would be a precompiled list out there |
| 01:55.47 | doomikus | thanks for the direction Epakai |
| 01:55.49 | Epakai | can't find anything, and none of the online package search tools seem to make priority searchable |
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| 01:56.09 | doomikus | right, you would think someone would have done this long ago |
| 01:56.58 | Epakai | we just let the package manager do it's thing :) |
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| 01:57.21 | doomikus | I for one welcome our debian overlords . . . |
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| 02:56.30 | Achylles | How do I restore my /etc/lsb-release file? Some time ago I had Kali on my sources.list and I forgot to uncomment that so that it installed a Kernel on my linux and took the grub entry over with a kali name. But, I am using debian and I have already upgrade to Stretch, but Kali linux is still showing there. I get very annoyed because of that. Then I removed the lsb-release file thinking of getting rid of the Kali entry, but it still sits there... :( |
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| 02:59.57 | Achylles | I tried to edit my /boot/grub.cfg to get rid of the Kali entry, but the file is RO :( |
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| 03:00.54 | dvs | Achylles: Have you read the top of the /boot/grub.cfg file? |
| 03:01.04 | Achylles | Yes. |
| 03:01.09 | Achylles | it is RO |
| 03:01.55 | Achylles | It says to not edit... |
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| 03:03.10 | parrotwhat | what is debian's equivalent of archlinux /etc/mkinitcpio.conf ? |
| 03:04.19 | Achylles | Why that entry is there? I already have uncommented that Kali line on my sources.list, used Jessie, upgraded to stretch and that entry is still there. There must be a way to destroy that... |
| 03:04.57 | parrotwhat | what is debian's equivalent of archlinux mkinitcpio ? |
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| 03:07.13 | parrotwhat | what is debian's equivalent of archlinux mkinitcpio ? dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-3.2.0-2-686-pae ? |
| 03:07.54 | jelly | parrotwhat: what does it do? |
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| 03:08.45 | parrotwhat | jelly: mkinitcpio is the next generation of initramfs creation. per archwiki |
| 03:09.25 | jelly | parrotwhat: update-initramfs is the default command for initramfs generation on debian |
| 03:10.53 | parrotwhat | jelly: https://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-initramfs.html says "dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-3.2.0-2-686-pae" |
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| 03:12.04 | jelly | parrotwhat: yeah, kernel package install scripts use update-initramfs |
| 03:12.33 | jelly | and dpkg-reconfigure reruns certain parts of installation scripts anew |
| 03:12.55 | parrotwhat | so which one is it? |
| 03:13.47 | cmo | "Iceweasel can't establish a connection to the server at forums.debian.net." Anybody know if this site is merely down or gone? |
| 03:13.47 | jelly | parrotwhat: dpkg-reconfigure kernel-package-name calls update-initramfs (among other things) |
| 03:13.55 | jelly | parrotwhat: so it's both |
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| 03:34.45 | doomikus | http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/forums.debian.net |
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| 03:35.33 | BuzzardBuzz | looka like you are up today |
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| 03:36.36 | doomikus | ? |
| 03:37.35 | BuzzardBuzz | my responce to down for everyone or just me |
| 03:37.58 | doomikus | right, but it's actually down, as cmo was aking |
| 03:38.00 | doomikus | *asking |
| 03:38.21 | BuzzardBuzz | well li hope all is well for you today |
| 03:38.32 | doomikus | you too BuzzardBuzz |
| 03:40.16 | BuzzardBuzz | looks like i have the fumble fingers today |
| 03:41.25 | BuzzardBuzz | shakes fuzzballs loose from my head |
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| 04:13.12 | FreezingDroid | So for some reason the live USB is able to start up a graphical interface, but I can't |
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| 04:14.09 | FreezingDroid | I copied the boot's VGA settings (vga=788) with no lucl |
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| 04:24.04 | FreezingDroid | So the graphical installer works just fine, but when I try to boot up my system, it just completely blank |
| 04:24.20 | FreezingDroid | I tried copying vga=788 as the installer drive does but still nothing |
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| 04:28.11 | FreezingDroid | Can't figure out what on earth is wrong. |
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| 05:01.03 | gaurishankargoun | hello all |
| 05:01.42 | gaurishankargoun | My Debian 8.1 reboots sometime automatically, what Log I should check to find the reason of this behaviour?? please Help |
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| 05:13.11 | dhaval2712 | I can't make applications at all. I keep getting this error: http://paste.debian.net/233552/ |
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| 05:21.40 | beepie | dhaval2712, maybe you should install the missing compiling tools |
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| 05:22.17 | dhaval2712 | beepie: I did... though. I mean I did install build-essentials and everything |
| 05:22.34 | dhaval2712 | What about the /bin/sh errors? |
| 05:24.23 | dhaval2712 | What missing compiling tools? |
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| 05:25.30 | beepie | dhaval2712, maybe you should open the makefile and see what command is being called |
| 05:25.57 | dhaval2712 | I did. Changed it to /bin/bash. Did not work. |
| 05:27.19 | beepie | dhaval2712, what error are you getting with bash? |
| 05:27.41 | dhaval2712 | The same. but Hang on there's several files that set it to /bin/sh. Brb |
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| 05:31.19 | mnrmnaugh__ | hello? |
| 05:32.05 | dhaval2712 | Well I changed all the instances of /bin/sh to /bin/bash. Did not work entirely. |
| 05:32.10 | dhaval2712 | Did make some progress though. |
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| 05:35.19 | beepie | dhaval2712, try installing "dash" and keep all /bin/sh |
| 05:35.33 | superrorc | hi there! |
| 05:36.19 | superrorc | could someone advice me where i can ask some questions about network, vpn, etc ? |
| 05:37.03 | superrorc | is it possible to ping remote pptp client machin , from LAN ? |
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| 05:41.03 | dhaval2712 | beepie: ISame issue. |
| 05:41.20 | beepie | dhaval2712, was dash previously installed? |
| 05:41.21 | dhaval2712 | superrorc: try #networking |
| 05:41.25 | dhaval2712 | Yes. |
| 05:41.30 | dhaval2712 | And I reinstalled it now. |
| 05:41.37 | beepie | superrorc, permitted on the server gateway yes |
| 05:41.44 | beepie | superrorc, your routes need to be setup properly |
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| 05:42.16 | superrorc | beepie: i need write route on LAN machine? |
| 05:42.40 | beepie | superrorc, uh yes, that would be done automagically by the vpn client for you |
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| 05:43.35 | beepie | superrorc, if you're using 192.168.1.0 on both then the priority routes on top should be that for the vpn |
| 05:44.13 | beepie | superrorc, i haven't done it in while so i can't recall exactly -- but it's generally the same concept |
| 05:44.23 | superrorc | beepie: thanks! i got it |
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| 06:00.52 | dhaval2712 | Okay. Nevermind. I was trying to build libx265 but it is available in the repos so... while the problem wasn't solved, it was was avoided |
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| 06:19.00 | darxmurf | hi all |
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| 06:39.22 | acu | hey guys - why I am getting only ipv6 dns nameserver in /etc/resolv.conf ? - I run debian jessie amd64 - and I have to manually add the ipv4 dns entry - but it disapears - however I have the control of network card in /etc/network/interfaces not in network mmanager |
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| 06:42.11 | themill | acu: dhcp? |
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| 06:52.20 | Gatis | hi |
| 06:52.28 | Gatis | Anyone here? |
| 06:53.10 | at0m|c | what's up |
| 06:53.58 | Gatis | I have laptop with with windows 8.1 OEM and i want to install linux but i dont want to lose windows 8.1 |
| 06:54.04 | Gatis | How can i do it? |
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| 06:54.23 | Gatis | it's new laptop |
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| 06:59.07 | at0m|c | Gatis: i have no idea, but now that you've asked, wait ;) |
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| 06:59.57 | willemb | nsscache. Fallen out of favour? |
| 07:00.31 | darxmurf | Gatis, first create an image of your laptop in case of :) |
| 07:00.47 | darxmurf | then resize the windows 8 partition with a tool like gparted or other |
| 07:01.36 | darxmurf | then install debian in the new available space |
| 07:02.31 | Gatis | darxmurf do you mean make backup of windows 8.1 on DVD's? |
| 07:02.36 | darxmurf | or the easiest solution is to install VirtualBox in windows and install debian inside :D |
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| 07:02.54 | darxmurf | Gatis: nop, disk image on a USB/Network drive |
| 07:02.54 | Gatis | darxmurf ah right |
| 07:03.08 | Gatis | ill install virtualbox |
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| 07:03.11 | GPenguin | your laptop is very likely using UEFI boot. that requires a few more tricks |
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| 07:03.22 | darxmurf | yep |
| 07:03.29 | GPenguin | https://elabualg.wordpress.com/2013/10/22/dual-boot-ubuntu-and-windows-8-uefi/ <-- thats aimed for Ubuntu but you should get the idea |
| 07:03.41 | darxmurf | Gatis: is you just want to test debian, use VirtualBox |
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| 07:03.50 | Gatis | Not sure.. I have Acer E5-571G-34E7 |
| 07:04.02 | Gatis | darxmurf yeah thanks |
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| 07:09.48 | Gatis | Is virtualbox the best emulator? |
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| 07:10.59 | tomodachi | Gatis: depends on the use case |
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| 07:27.13 | KidCartouche | it's the simplest one to learn imo |
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| 07:49.48 | Li | I couldn't find any debian direct dvd installation here https://www.debian.org/distrib/ |
| 07:52.15 | GPenguin | Li: https://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#stable |
| 07:52.47 | Ticho | what is a "direct dvd installation"? |
| 07:53.22 | Li | Ticho: direct != torrent |
| 07:54.09 | Ticho | oh, so direct download, not installation :) |
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| 07:58.18 | Li | GPenguin: your link isn't any better that I've pasted already, there is no dvd download for debian unless torrents |
| 07:58.32 | somiaj | Li: https://www.debian.org/CD/ |
| 07:58.38 | Li | the intsllation image I presume is minimal |
| 07:58.40 | somiaj | click on download CD/DVD images using HTTP or FTP |
| 07:58.45 | GPenguin | Li, you need to open your eyes, of course |
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| 07:59.10 | somiaj | and you ahve the choice from a small netinstall (that contains a base system on the install medium) to a full dvd image. |
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| 07:59.51 | Li | GPenguin: you need to open your mind too |
| 08:00.21 | GPenguin | *plonk* |
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| 08:14.35 | Tarraq | Hi All. Any suggestion for an up to date and fairly simple firewall for a standalone server? blocking off internal services and allowing admin traffic frrom home IP? |
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| 08:14.59 | bstarek | Tarraq, iptables will do |
| 08:15.03 | Tarraq | loked at vuurmur, but that is just too annoyingly complex for my usecase |
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| 08:15.46 | Tarraq | bstarek: Aye. let me rephrase: any curses gui for IPtables? or similar very simple template? |
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| 08:16.31 | evilman_work|2 | Tarraq: any gui for IPTables is a crap. |
| 08:16.41 | bstarek | I am not sure about a GUI for iptables, I havent used one before, but I am sure if you make a research you could find something. |
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| 08:16.52 | Tarraq | evilman_work|2: thatâs what Iâve found too so far |
| 08:17.02 | evilman_work|2 | Tarraq: https://gist.github.com/jirutka/3742890 |
| 08:17.28 | bezaban | firwallbuilder works for simple setups, but discontinued and old - and not curses. Centos has a graphical thingy, but not used it much and don't think it's available for debian |
| 08:17.34 | evilman_work|2 | Tarraq: this is good startpoint. |
| 08:17.50 | bstarek | pfsense is not bad either |
| 08:17.59 | bstarek | maybe you could give it a try |
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| 08:18.14 | ntz | hello |
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| 08:18.33 | bstarek | you will need a separate machine tho |
| 08:18.41 | Tarraq | evilman_work|2: thanks :) and that would be in /etc/iptables and executed from where= |
| 08:19.22 | ntz | how do I enable one regular user to login to other regular user in system ? by adding to etc/sudoers that he can do: `/usr/bin/sudo su -c /bin/bash - rancid' ? |
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| 08:20.03 | Tarraq | bstarek: thatâs a nogo in this case :) |
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| 08:22.09 | Tarraq | bstarek: itâs just securing the server and opening up for services for other servers |
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| 08:25.20 | bstarek | then iptables will do :)) |
| 08:26.15 | vladoski | how can I uninstall openjdk correctly? |
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| 08:27.42 | Tarraq | bstarek: yup. that template did the trick I guess. Whatâs the nicest place to do the âcat /etc/iptables | iptables-restoreâ command? for reboots etc |
| 08:28.48 | bstarek | you could use any place you want |
| 08:29.08 | bstarek | /etc/iptables would do |
| 08:29.22 | bstarek | i mean you save it to any file |
| 08:29.24 | Tarraq | bstarek: I mean, the init command. |
| 08:29.57 | bstarek | you iptables persistent? |
| 08:30.01 | bstarek | you mean? |
| 08:30.10 | bstarek | there is a package iptables persistent |
| 08:30.23 | bstarek | it keeps your config after reboot |
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| 08:30.57 | bstarek | it looks like you havent really researched the issue bro |
| 08:31.19 | Tarraq | bstarek: sorry. just have been looking for guis.. |
| 08:31.25 | Tarraq | Anyways thansk for the hint :) |
| 08:32.01 | bstarek | no worries, just trying to help =) |
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| 08:32.51 | Haris | hello all |
| 08:32.53 | bstarek | if you decide to move to headless server, GUIs wont do bro |
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| 08:33.02 | Haris | why does python have separate paths in 8.1 / jessy ? |
| 08:33.02 | bstarek | plan for the future.... |
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| 08:34.20 | Tarraq | bstarek: I am at a headless. just hoping for a terminal gui |
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| 08:34.47 | Tarraq | a nice 32GB ram box :) |
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| 08:35.04 | bstarek | whats the CPU? |
| 08:35.08 | bstarek | the bandwith? |
| 08:35.49 | bstarek | what does it do? |
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| 08:38.18 | bstarek | BotaniCar, another time. |
| 08:38.31 | Tarraq | bstarek: 8 core 2.3 100mbit flatrate |
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| 08:39.50 | bstarek | Tarraq, GREAT, anyway, good luck with iptables. |
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| 08:41.27 | Tarraq | bstarek: thanks :) thanks for the help. the iptables-save path went well. |
| 08:41.58 | bstarek | great,,np |
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| 08:50.58 | l3archos | hello debians. How can it be that on one Debian host I am on Kernel "3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt11-1 (2015-05-24) x86_64" and the other says "3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.46-1 x86_64" although both have executed successfully "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade" ? |
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| 08:51.51 | somiaj | l3archos: sounds like one system didn't have the kernel metapackage installed and thus the newer kernel wasn't pulled in during the upgrade. |
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| 08:52.24 | somiaj | I assume you did change both the sources to jessie so you actually did upgrade. (: |
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| 08:52.42 | l3archos | somiaj: yes |
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| 08:55.46 | l3archos | somiaj: how can I check this metapackage you talked about ? |
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| 08:56.18 | l3archos | is it "linux-image-amd64" (in my case on the 64bit system) ? |
| 08:56.21 | itry | Good Morning |
| 08:56.24 | itry | Can I run a program as root using another users X-Session? When I try that with "DISPLAY=:1 cmd" it fails with "Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1" |
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| 08:57.28 | l3archos | somiaj: you're right. The one host does NOT have "linux-image-amd64" installed, instead there is only a package "linux-image-3.2.0-4-adm64". Is it safe to do "apt-get install linux-image-amd64" on that particulat machine which has the old kernel ? |
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| 08:57.37 | somiaj | yes |
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| 09:01.28 | l3archos | somiaj: I installed "linux-image-amd64" on the particular host, but it is still on Kernel 3.2.0-4, even after a "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade". |
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| 09:02.03 | somiaj | you have to reboot to change kernels |
| 09:03.11 | somiaj | if installing that package did not actually install the linux-image-3.14.0-amd64 (or whatever the package is called) when you isntalled it, then your sources are not fully jessie |
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| 09:04.59 | dud225 | @itry I think you need to allow root through the X ACL (managed with xhost) |
| 09:06.09 | dud225 | try xhost+ to disable ACL, it will show us if this is the culprit |
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| 09:07.58 | venkat_330 | Since i do not use any GUI i did not install ANY graphical environment with jessie. After installation i notice that system screen is blank after boot. |
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| 09:08.18 | venkat_330 | Is there anything that need to be done with jessie to start in console mode?? |
| 09:08.53 | ntz | venkat_330: sounds rather like hw issue |
| 09:09.03 | ntz | eg hw + modules |
| 09:09.25 | ntz | normally it works but something in your host is broken |
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| 09:09.48 | venkat_330 | ntz: Earilier i have used debian 8 with gnome and system worked |
| 09:10.09 | dud225 | @venkat : could you give me the output of "systemctl get-default" |
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| 09:10.24 | at0m|c | venkat_330: do you have grub? what if you select single user more there, or rescue mode? |
| 09:10.36 | at0m|c | s/more/mode |
| 09:10.46 | dud225 | it will show use whether systemd is configured to boot with or without the graphical stack |
| 09:11.34 | ntz | dud225: he reports that his vesa mode or whatever else is broken and he gates *dead screen |
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| 09:11.43 | ntz | **gets |
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| 09:12.08 | dud225 | @ntz OK thanks |
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| 09:12.34 | ntz | dud225: try simply adding a `nomodeset' on kernel command line (via grub) and reboot |
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| 09:13.58 | TuomasKotamaa | Hi, I was here yesterday asking about this ( http://paste.debian.net/231996/ ) but it was too quit. It's about how after a system upgrade Bitmask won't star as user anymore, only as root. Is it a bug in the software, or Debian related? |
| 09:14.33 | l3archos | somiaj: my sources.list looks like that, what is wrong here? ==> http://paste.debian.net/233962/ |
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| 09:16.42 | themill | TuomasKotamaa: that looks like a non-fatal warning and wouldn't make a difference for root vs non-root. Is that the only output when running as non-root? |
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| 09:18.32 | TuomasKotamaa | themill: Here's the whole debug message http://paste.debian.net/233964/ |
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| 09:19.04 | venkat_330 | at0m|c: i tried booting in rescue mode its still same |
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| 09:19.38 | venkat_330 | ntz: This means that my system wont work ?? |
| 09:20.06 | ntz | I told you to try first `nomodeset' option on kernel command line |
| 09:20.48 | ntz | I didn't tell you anything about rescue mode |
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| 09:21.40 | venkat_330 | ntz: oops sorry , Still its same.. |
| 09:21.41 | shibly | http://forums.debian.net/ , is it down? |
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| 09:21.55 | shibly | What is going on http://forums.debian.net/ ? |
| 09:22.09 | themill | yes, they're down atm |
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| 09:22.24 | themill | TuomasKotamaa: is it trying to bind a privileged port? |
| 09:22.51 | TuomasKotamaa | themill: Not to my know of. |
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| 09:23.46 | TuomasKotamaa | themill: It worked for user until now, so the port should be fine. |
| 09:23.52 | themill | TuomasKotamaa: if you create a new user and try running it, does it work? |
| 09:24.12 | venkat_330 | ntz: After installing system boot hanged @ Loading, Please wait. To overcome i added nolapic in kernel boot parameter. Which atleast made system to come up this level...Added "nomodeset" still its same |
| 09:24.14 | shibly | themill, What's going on http://forums.debian.net/ ? |
| 09:24.22 | themill | shibly: they're down atm |
| 09:24.32 | shibly | why? |
| 09:24.37 | themill | TuomasKotamaa: when something works as root but not as non-root, there's 3 things to check: permissions, different config being used from ~/, different libraries being used from ~/. |
| 09:24.38 | TuomasKotamaa | themill: It works works for xuser if only root has already started it. |
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| 09:26.20 | TuomasKotamaa | themill: Is there a command to see the permission, or the possible different config and libraries? |
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| 09:29.05 | themill | TuomasKotamaa: the big strace hammer might be the easiest. prefix the command with "strace -e open -f -o /tmp/strace.log" |
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| 09:32.42 | g00se | Would a statically-linked i386 binary be able to run on amd64? |
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| 09:33.02 | ntz | g00se: should |
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| 09:33.40 | SynrGy | more importantly, why? |
| 09:34.17 | ntz | SynrGy: re-locable 32bit app ? |
| 09:35.27 | SynrGy | just thinking in terms of security, such a binary probably doesn't have good future prospects |
| 09:35.45 | g00se | ntz: Yes |
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| 09:36.17 | somiaj | l3archos: did you double check if the actual kernel package 3.14 is installed. It looks fine, it could be that the kernel is installed but you have a grub config choosing the 3.2 kernel over the 3.14 at boot. |
| 09:36.26 | TuomasKotamaa | themill: strace gave me a 20k line long error message, mostly pointing to things in /usr/lib/python2.7 |
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| 09:37.27 | SynrGy | strace's output isn't "error messages" |
| 09:37.44 | SynrGy | it's a ridiculously detailed account of calls |
| 09:38.03 | venkat_330 | ntz: any clues for tracing would be helpful |
| 09:38.06 | SynrGy | it takes some digging to sort out what's significant from what isn't |
| 09:38.08 | TuomasKotamaa | SyngRy: Sory. How do I read it? |
| 09:38.30 | SynrGy | depends on what you're looking for |
| 09:38.46 | SynrGy | it's a haystack. not sure what needle we're trying to find :) |
| 09:39.17 | SynrGy | themill had something in mind by recommending it, i'm sure |
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| 09:39.44 | TuomasKotamaa | SyngRy: http://paste.debian.net/233964/ We're trying to find out why Bitmask only runs as root after upgrade. |
| 09:40.15 | SynrGy | please don't mangle my nick. most irc clients have tab-completion to help you |
| 09:40.43 | SynrGy | it's SynrG or SynrGy, please (the -y suffix is for my alternate irc client :) |
| 09:41.10 | TuomasKotamaa | SynrGy: Sorry, like synergy, I get it. |
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| 09:43.30 | SynrGy | dunno. would have to see the strace, i guess. but i haven't the time/energy to dig through it. maybe themill can help interpret |
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| 09:44.01 | SynrGy | (also, paste.debian.net is not going to like that file size, so maybe grepping some subset of lines around 'interesting' areas of it will help) |
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| 09:44.39 | SynrGy | or publish it somewhere else that has no size limit |
| 09:44.41 | themill | grep -v /usr/lib/python2.7 would be a start |
| 09:45.05 | SynrGy | good luck |
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| 09:46.36 | TuomasKotamaa | yes |
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| 09:48.38 | TuomasKotamaa | it's pretty much this repeating, with different number at the end: 4068 open("/usr/lib/python2.7/random.py", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = 10 |
| 09:49.03 | TuomasKotamaa | And different 'random,py' |
| 09:49.41 | TuomasKotamaa | -1 is an error, no file or directory. |
| 09:49.55 | TuomasKotamaa | Not many of those. |
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| 09:51.16 | no_gravity | Any ideas how to wait for a keypress in a shellscript in this situation? while read -r line { ... do stuff... WAIT FOR KEYPRESS ... } < file.txt |
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| 09:52.32 | TuomasKotamaa | The other numbers are return values. I don't know what that means. |
| 09:53.02 | TuomasKotamaa | 1-13 |
| 09:54.07 | TuomasKotamaa | So is there a different python2.7 setup for root and user? |
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| 10:01.02 | ChrisH | no_gravity: echo "press return to continue' && read a |
| 10:02.10 | no_gravity | ChrisH: cant use read because stdin is already used. thats the point of the question. but i solved it with "read input </dev/tty" now. that seems to leave stdin alone. |
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| 10:04.11 | themill | TuomasKotamaa: can you «grep -v /usr/lib/python2.7 /tmp/strace.log» and pastebin the result. There will be lots of crap in there but it might help. (I'm looking for entries where it has opened files from /usr/local or in /home/$USER/) |
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| 10:12.22 | l3archos | somiaj: I have both kernels installed, I checked with "dpkg -l" but even after the reboot the old linux kernel is loaded. How can I tell my Debian machine to use the new kernel instead?? Should I just "apt-get purge linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64" and reboot ? |
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| 10:14.18 | TuomasKotamaa | themill: It won't fit in pastebin. |
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| 10:16.02 | TuomasKotamaa | themill: Here's only /usr/local http://paste.debian.net/234113/ |
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| 10:17.14 | TuomasKotamaa | themill: No files for /home/$USER |
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| 10:25.11 | teo_ | Hi. How I have xfce but some programs like "kadu" witch is createtd in qt or ither programs dont look like good under xfce... but under kde very nice. How can I change look like of some apps created in qt that their will look like nice under xfce? |
| 10:25.22 | lszyba1 | hello, I'm doing upgrade to trac..and my /tmp partition gets out of space (4gb) I need to tmeporarly mount it on /home/tmp so that I get 290gb...how can I do that from root user? |
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| 10:27.28 | lszyba1 | any idea how to do this? I have 1hour before people come to work |
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| 10:30.54 | lszyba1 | do I remount via /etc/fstab? |
| 10:32.02 | at0m|c | lszyba1: mount -o remount /mount/path |
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| 10:32.18 | at0m|c | oh new path |
| 10:32.21 | themill | TuomasKotamaa: nothing relevant in there |
| 10:32.45 | TuomasKotamaa | themill: Maybe a bug then? |
| 10:32.55 | at0m|c | lszyba1: look in man mount for remount bind |
| 10:34.09 | themill | TuomasKotamaa: I still suspect a local configuration problem |
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| 10:38.28 | TuomasKotamaa | themill: Permissions? |
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| 10:47.55 | Gatis | why people use linux? |
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| 10:52.54 | IanTee | Gatis, well, i'm virus free for the last 2 years. My machine is fast, my LaTeX and maple work like a charm. I can modify my system to my needs and debian is more stable than a mountain... that's why! :) |
| 10:53.13 | themill | yhbt |
| 10:53.44 | shay_shay | Gatis: because we like it |
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| 10:54.57 | Gatis | i understand but i whats the difference between windows |
| 10:55.05 | Gatis | I have all i need in windows |
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| 10:55.42 | TuomasKotamaa1 | I'm not here? |
| 10:55.58 | petn-randall | Gatis: Then continue using windows. |
| 10:56.04 | pfote | ^ |
| 10:56.08 | Luka00 | Windows is not so free |
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| 10:56.57 | TuomasKotamaa1 | Howbout we'll not be nice to trolls? |
| 10:57.16 | IanTee | Gatis, my windows system was useless after 6monts-1year... dunno why! it was gettign slower and crappier... with deb it's like i installed my system yesterday |
| 10:57.39 | themill | let's not feed it any more |
| 10:57.45 | pfote | ^ |
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| 10:58.26 | knivsta | hi |
| 10:59.02 | TuomasKotamaa1 | Hello everyone, I need a quick way to remotely change the desktop background of an Windows computer... The computer is my bosses. Can I find how to by reading apt-get install anarchism? |
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| 11:00.23 | petn-randall | !tias |
| 11:00.24 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
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| 11:02.45 | Haris | hello all. how to install /bin/sh on jessy ? |
| 11:02.55 | themill | err |
| 11:03.11 | themill | !wayttd Haris |
| 11:03.11 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Haris? |
| 11:03.13 | TuomasKotamaa1 | I'm not at work so I can't go to her room to place the picture depicting Thatcher as the statue of liberty to her bg. |
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| 11:03.33 | shingouz | TuomasKotamaa1: i believe a goatse would be better... |
| 11:03.52 | Haris | trying to run -> python manage compress <- for django |
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| 11:04.01 | Haris | Compressing... CommandError: An error occured during rendering /u/var/www/bs_ping/templates/hms_menu/import_users.html: /bin/sh: 1: java: not found |
| 11:04.11 | themill | Haris: java: not found |
| 11:04.12 | Haris | oops. it wants java |
| 11:04.18 | themill | dpkg: tell Haris about install java |
| 11:04.30 | tesleax | hi ! is there anyway to see all aplications which are running on the top bar ? |
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| 11:04.33 | Haris | going to install oracle java. don't want openjdk for this one |
| 11:04.47 | Haris | oracle jdk 7u80 |
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| 11:05.42 | tesleax | hi ! is there anyway to see all aplications which are running on the top bar ? |
| 11:05.53 | shay_shay | tesleax: if you mean in gnome 3, there is an extension in "tweak tool", or you can get into a flashback session from login screen |
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| 11:06.01 | Haris | omg! .. this ( http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jdk7-downloads-1880260.html ) page doesn't have a .deb file. how to install oracle jdk 7u80 on jessy ? |
| 11:06.18 | TuomasKotamaa1 | shingouz: Yes, I guess so. Maybe Thatcher Goatse. |
| 11:06.25 | themill | TuomasKotamaa1: wrong channel. |
| 11:06.46 | shay_shay | Harris see the debian wiki about java, it explains how to build a deb package from oracles package |
| 11:07.17 | shay_shay | there's a specific tool for it |
| 11:08.06 | shay_shay | https://wiki.debian.org/Java/Sun |
| 11:08.06 | Haris | hmm.. please link me to it |
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| 11:08.22 | shay_shay | make-jpkg |
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| 11:09.44 | tesleax | Sorry I'm new to Debian. I have also one more question. Every applications open with maximized size. How can i solve this problem ? |
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| 11:10.59 | Haris | java-package doesn't exist |
| 11:11.02 | Haris | what's the package name for it |
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| 11:11.05 | Haris | https://wiki.debian.org/JavaPackage |
| 11:11.27 | Haris | openjdk doesn't have something that Sun/Oracle jdk has |
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| 11:11.43 | tesleax | Sorry I'm new to Debian. I have also one more question. Every applications open with maximized size. How can i solve this problem ? |
| 11:11.59 | shay_shay | ,v java-package |
| 11:12.00 | judd | Package: java-package on amd64 -- wheezy/contrib: 0.50+nmu2; wheezy-backports/contrib: 0.53~bpo70+1; jessie/contrib: 0.56; sid/contrib: 0.59; stretch/contrib: 0.59 |
| 11:12.16 | Haris | its available up to wheezy. what about jessy ? |
| 11:12.40 | shay_shay | its in Jessie, in contrib |
| 11:13.40 | Epakai | tesleax: what window manager are you using? |
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| 11:14.44 | tesleax | window manager ? i'm using debian 8 |
| 11:15.09 | deicider | tesleax: What desktop? Gnome, KDE, XFCE?? |
| 11:15.13 | tesleax | Gnome |
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| 11:16.50 | deicider | tesleax: Sorry, never used Gnome. But there must be minimize/maximize button like in Windows.In most desktops it exists. |
| 11:17.28 | Epakai | gsettings set org.gnome.mutter auto-maximize false |
| 11:17.29 | deicider | tesleax: If you see cross-shaped icon next to that X, then that's your minimize button |
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| 11:17.36 | shay_shay | you have to enable minimize button in tweak tool |
| 11:18.00 | TuomasKotamaa1 | tesleax: I think Gnome remembers what state the windows were when you closed them and opens them in the same state. |
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| 11:18.13 | tesleax | I know these kind of things but everything opens with maximized size automatically |
| 11:18.32 | TuomasKotamaa1 | The min/max buttons are behind right mouse. |
| 11:18.40 | shay_shay | ^ |
| 11:18.46 | Iridos | deicider, gnome3 doesn't have any of these things by default... |
| 11:18.47 | deicider | TuomasKotamaa1: That's it. It like that in most distros. |
| 11:19.02 | TuomasKotamaa1 | Also super+up and super+down |
| 11:19.37 | deicider | Iridos: Ah, that sucks.. |
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| 11:20.17 | Iridos | deicider, you can install add-ons to get something similar to the old behavior |
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| 11:20.30 | shay_shay | its fine, I never enabled my minimize button and I still haven't died |
| 11:20.36 | tesleax | I figured it out with your helps thank you guys |
| 11:20.57 | Haris | java package wants the zip from oracle ? |
| 11:21.00 | Iridos | deicider, as far as I can fathom, the guys at gnome thought "what would we do if we were apple? we'd remove buttons!!" |
| 11:21.37 | deicider | Iridos: Guys at gnome aren't practical...xD |
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| 11:21.54 | Iridos | ... because a mouse with only one button was such a great idea |
| 11:22.07 | deicider | Iridos: Never used apple product, still |
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| 11:23.21 | shay_shay | the lack of a minimize button goes a long with the lack of a task bar |
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| 11:23.52 | shay_shay | you use expose to show what windows you have open if they're too cluttered per "space" |
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| 11:24.22 | deicider | shay_shay: That's rocket science, IMHO |
| 11:24.28 | shay_shay | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:24.28 | Iridos | shay_shay, you you install an add-on to get a type of taskbar back |
| 11:24.41 | valentt | Did anybody get 3G dongle working via QMI interface ? |
| 11:24.48 | Iridos | shay_shay, actually... all I need is some easily accessible button to open a terminal with a shell :-/ |
| 11:24.54 | valentt | Can't get QMI 3G interface to start on boot :( |
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| 11:25.47 | shay_shay | Iridos: super then find as you type. for me its <super><t><e><enter> |
| 11:26.08 | shay_shay | the first few letters of <terminal> |
| 11:26.22 | shay_shay | er, why did I put the brackets on there |
| 11:26.27 | shay_shay | xD |
| 11:26.47 | deicider | shay_shay: To look more geeky? |
| 11:26.52 | deicider | :D |
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| 11:27.14 | Iridos | shay_shay, gnome-shell hung from time to time... which was when I did openbox --replace (or kill it, then call openbox) ... seems last time I did that I just didn't switch back and stayed with openbox |
| 11:27.29 | Iridos | dpkg, terminal |
| 11:27.29 | dpkg | Iridos: i don't know |
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| 11:27.43 | Iridos | shay_shay, to make us think there's an interesting factoid on the topic!!! |
| 11:27.51 | shay_shay | haha |
| 11:29.22 | Luka00 | #gentoo |
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| 11:29.37 | deicider | Can I get hardware support for my phone if I install firmware packages in debian? |
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| 11:30.15 | shay_shay | I started binding alt+` on other DEs/window managers paying homage to quake ` to open terminal |
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| 11:30.43 | deicider | As far as I can tell, debian separated firmware blobs from the kernel. |
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| 11:31.45 | Iridos | deicider, doubtful |
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| 11:32.33 | deicider | I want to connect my phone to my computer via usb, so I can copy music and such... |
| 11:32.34 | Iridos | deicider, the phone-bit and some other hardware often use proprietary kernel modules from the vendor |
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| 11:32.47 | deicider | But I can't do it |
| 11:32.50 | Iridos | so installing debian on a phone... hard |
| 11:33.09 | shay_shay | then only option is to use lil Debi on kitkat |
| 11:33.11 | at0m|c | Iridos: there's debian on androids. |
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| 11:33.18 | at0m|c | ^^ |
| 11:33.20 | deicider | Iridos: Yes, and it says that I need Windows software, or Mac. I guess Ubuntu works, too |
| 11:33.21 | shay_shay | its a chroot |
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| 11:33.43 | shay_shay | deicider: what says? |
| 11:33.53 | at0m|c | deicider: what phone OS? |
| 11:34.06 | deicider | at0m|c: Android |
| 11:34.21 | deicider | shay_shay: The phone |
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| 11:34.37 | at0m|c | deicider: settings > storage > menu > usb ? |
| 11:34.54 | deicider | But I think Iridos is right, I can't connect it with Debian |
| 11:35.35 | shay_shay | deicider: we thought you wanted to install debian on the phone |
| 11:35.52 | shay_shay | you can connect most phones through MTP |
| 11:36.05 | deicider | shay_shay: No, no just copy stuff to my phone and back |
| 11:36.33 | deicider | shay_shay: MTP? Yes, they have it on Ubuntu. Is it a package in Debian, too? |
| 11:36.51 | shay_shay | gvfs-backends |
| 11:37.00 | shay_shay | you might need gvfs-fuse too |
| 11:37.02 | at0m|c | i use the network to transfer... smb or kdeconnect |
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| 11:37.08 | shay_shay | ,v gvfs-fusr |
| 11:37.09 | judd | No package named 'gvfs-fusr' was found in amd64. |
| 11:37.18 | shay_shay | ,v gvfs-fuse |
| 11:37.19 | judd | Package: gvfs-fuse on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.6.4-3; wheezy: 1.12.3-4; jessie: 1.22.2-1; sid: 1.24.1-2+b1; stretch: 1.24.1-2+b1 |
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| 11:38.08 | deicider | All right! Thanks,guys, so it was there. Maybe I should have researched first.. |
| 11:38.35 | deicider | So, MTP works and I can find it in Debian? |
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| 11:39.33 | shay_shay | yes |
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| 11:39.51 | shay_shay | in your file manager |
| 11:40.05 | behrad | I running selinux-activate and after reboot nothing happen. how can i activate selinux in jessie? |
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| 11:52.35 | Walex | "MTP works" in some cases but not others. |
| 11:53.47 | ElDiabolo_ | How do I list essential packages? |
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| 11:54.15 | Walex | behrad: there is a boot parameter https://wiki.debian.org/SELinux/Setup#Steps_to_setup_SELinux |
| 11:54.41 | Walex | ElDiabolo_: with Aptitude for example: aptitude search '~E' |
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| 12:09.37 | g00se | If i've added my own vncviewer what's best practice to get it recognised by update-alternatives? (man page unhelpful on that issue |
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| 12:17.28 | behrad | Walex, i change grub (selinux=1 security=selinux audit=1) and /etc/selinux/config (permissive) after reboot sestatus show disabled. |
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| 12:21.12 | knivsta | hi |
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| 12:24.28 | Haris | RAM is 16 GB on this box. usually centos auto-calculates a high number of open files, relevant to available RAM on the box. not sure how debian does it, at present ? |
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| 12:30.01 | trewas | Haris: a bit unlikely that debian would change the default value for that offered by the kernel |
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| 12:33.27 | Haris | is it configurable .. on the fly ? |
| 12:33.34 | Haris | via ulimit, sysctl, etc etc |
| 12:34.14 | trewas | yes, sysctl or just echo 1234>/proc/sys/fs/file-max |
| 12:34.25 | rmzelnick | g00se: you could create your own alternative, because from my system update-alternatives --get-selections doesn't seem to have anything related |
| 12:34.56 | rmzelnick | I'd suggest naming it x-remote-desktop |
| 12:35.23 | Haris | what's the default -- kernel approach for it |
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| 12:35.50 | rfreeman_w | is this important for anything for /etc/hosts to contain name of your own domain as 127.0.0.1 ? like 127.0.0.1 mycomputer |
| 12:36.11 | rfreeman_w | I also seen this to be 127.0.1.1 on some systems (not debian) |
| 12:36.20 | rmzelnick | update-alternatives /path/to/vnc x-remote-desktop /etc/alternatives/x-remote-desktop <priority> |
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| 12:36.35 | Stummi | rfreeman_w, so "mycomputer" will resolve to 127.0.0.1 for you |
| 12:36.48 | trewas | Haris: looks like directly scaled with amount of RAM, but I just checked a couple of computers |
| 12:36.57 | rfreeman_w | Stummi, right but assuming I will not do things like wget http://mycomputer do any programs need this? |
| 12:37.32 | rmzelnick | I don't think so |
| 12:37.37 | rfreeman_w | allright |
| 12:37.54 | Stummi | iirc some programms issue an warning if your own hostname does not map to 127.0.0.1 |
| 12:39.21 | rmzelnick | rfreeman_w: what's the problem with leaving as it is? |
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| 12:39.34 | Stummi | I think one reason could be sending mails |
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| 12:39.52 | rfreeman_w | rmdashrf, shared hosts file between machines to have private dns/revdns for cjdns network |
| 12:40.00 | Stummi | if you configure one of your local applications to send mails to user@mycomputer it will happen through a local socket, which is handled differently by most MTAs |
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| 12:40.19 | rmzelnick | or even mpd |
| 12:40.36 | rmzelnick | I'm certain that mpd won't be able to solve localhost |
| 12:40.39 | Stummi | rfreeman_w, shared hostfiles is not how you do DNS |
| 12:40.57 | rfreeman_w | Stummi, seems the best way |
| 12:41.12 | Stummi | what about setting up a local dns server? |
| 12:41.39 | rfreeman_w | Stummi, users should confirm do they agree with given list of domain names, as this has security implications |
| 12:41.49 | rfreeman_w | before importing update of it |
| 12:42.32 | rmzelnick | rfreeman_w: if that's the case then just leave "127.0.0.1 localhost" |
| 12:42.44 | rmzelnick | without any computer name |
| 12:42.47 | rfreeman_w | as for DNS, how would I configure the client computer, so it will use computer fc:55:66:... to resolve dns but only for domains *.foo ? |
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| 12:43.15 | rmzelnick | resolve.conf |
| 12:43.20 | rmzelnick | resolv.conf |
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| 12:43.35 | Stummi | nope, resolve.conf can't do this |
| 12:44.01 | rfreeman_w | also I need to use fc:55:66 to reverse-DNS resolve IPs, but only IPs fc00:* |
| 12:44.04 | rmzelnick | Stummi: I'm pretty sure he's talking about a nameserver |
| 12:44.13 | g00se | rmzelnick: Thanks. I'll try that. I think it's xvncviewer though (?) |
| 12:44.30 | Stummi | rmzelnick, he want to resolve *.foo against one nameserver and everything else against another. This cannot be set up only in a resolve.conf |
| 12:44.44 | ntz | throws just a rhetorical Q: why the heck is considered as stable, when the "stable" (7.8 now) release is full of immature bugs and completely obsolete and wtf defaults |
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| 12:44.53 | ntz | ++debian |
| 12:45.01 | rmzelnick | g00se: ok, update-alternatives --get-selections | grep -i vnc doesn't output anything on my machine |
| 12:45.01 | rfreeman_w | so I have private mapping of *.foo <=> fc:* names, and I wish to use fc:55:66 to resolve and reverse-resolve |
| 12:45.33 | Stummi | 7.8 is not stable |
| 12:45.37 | rfreeman_w | ntz, all work went into systemd because Outreach For Woman demanded it, or something, in my opinion |
| 12:45.51 | ntz | Stummi: okay, old-stable |
| 12:45.53 | rfreeman_w | 8.x is stable. but it has way more bugs for me |
| 12:46.02 | ntz | "previous stable" if you wish |
| 12:46.44 | rmzelnick | Stummi: if the *.foo (say *.com) in question can't be resolved (i.e was never registered) won't it lookup from another nameserver going down the list? |
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| 12:46.47 | ntz | rfreeman_w: yep, I was been already warned that I should avoid 8.x right now |
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| 12:47.28 | rmzelnick | ntz: you still can have systemd removed |
| 12:47.38 | rmzelnick | I have 8.1 without systemd |
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| 12:48.06 | rmzelnick | Or better, you can instruct debian installer NOT to install systemd |
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| 12:48.24 | g00se | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 24 Jun 3 11:13 xvncviewer -> /usr/bin/xtightvncviewer |
| 12:48.32 | Stummi | rmzelnick, if a nameserver tells "I don't have this domain registered", its a valid reply for the resolving process |
| 12:48.38 | g00se | (listing of /etc/alternatives) |
| 12:48.41 | ntz | anyhow, I don't want to troll, but my personal opinion is that debian is one of the worst distros to "enterprise" env .. it's terrible distro .. I can understand that somebody uses that on workstation, but that's the only semi-legit use I'd see |
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| 12:49.02 | rmzelnick | g00se: glad you were able to solve it |
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| 12:49.07 | Stummi | so, it won't try nameservers. Other nameservers are only used when the first one cannot be reached |
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| 12:49.21 | tomodachi | ntz: then use some other distro we dont care |
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| 12:49.25 | antiatom | I just installed and started cupsd but it only listens on IPv6 port |
| 12:49.30 | rmzelnick | g00se: I forgot to mention the --install flag :( |
| 12:49.38 | g00se | Ah ok. Thanks |
| 12:49.55 | Dagger | antiatom: if net.ipv6.bindv6only is at its default value of 0, listening on a v6 socket will let you accept v4 connections too |
| 12:50.13 | rmzelnick | Stummi: humm |
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| 12:50.17 | antiatom | Dagger: Actually I was wrong |
| 12:50.30 | antiatom | It listens on IPv4 but the web browser just shows big bold text "Not Found" |
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| 12:51.25 | rmzelnick | Stummi: what if you want to run a DNS server with your own TLDs and still make it compatible with ICANN root servers? |
| 12:51.43 | ntz | tomodachi: be sure that I do, but I'm sometimes punished by this cruel and unusual punishmant that I have to administere existing debian servers :( |
| 12:51.49 | rmzelnick | Stummi: like the opennic project |
| 12:51.50 | Stummi | than your dns-server delegates requests it doesn't know to the icann servers |
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| 12:52.11 | rmzelnick | interesting... |
| 12:52.16 | Stummi | or maybe theres a special answer to tell an resolver to try another server or something. I don't know this in detail |
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| 12:52.51 | rmzelnick | Is it possible to setup a DNS server in a OpenVZ container? |
| 12:53.17 | rmzelnick | I think I might buy a few of them through US, South America, and Europe |
| 12:53.33 | rfreeman_w | although note |
| 12:53.37 | rfreeman_w | I want a "private dns" |
| 12:53.41 | rmzelnick | and make it so that registration can be free |
| 12:53.48 | rfreeman_w | the list will be for a number of users, not for "entire world |
| 12:53.57 | rmzelnick | rfreeman_w: have you heard of opendns? |
| 12:53.57 | tomodachi | ntz: i think most people that administer debian servers disagree with you |
| 12:54.08 | tomodachi | ntz: if you cannot change how you work , change where you work |
| 12:54.23 | rfreeman_w | rmdashrf, I configured bind, how ever it is quite complicated setup |
| 12:56.03 | rmzelnick | ntz: why ignore my remarks about instructing debian-installer NOT to install systemd? Have I not mentioned before that I have my own 8.1 without systemd/ |
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| 12:56.48 | rmzelnick | ntz: or if you already have wheezy installed, then just pin down systemd and run dist-upgrade |
| 12:57.08 | rmzelnick | http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/How_to_remove_systemd_from_a_Debian_jessie/sid_installation |
| 12:57.33 | rmzelnick | just ignore the first two code snippets |
| 12:57.50 | rmzelnick | echo that command to a file to prevent systemd from being installed |
| 12:58.00 | rmzelnick | and run dist-upgrade |
| 12:59.00 | ntz | rmzelnick: it's 7.x here, not 8.x |
| 12:59.02 | ntz | so no systemd |
| 12:59.35 | rmzelnick | ntz: you want to upgrade to 8.x but don't want to install systemd, correct? |
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| 12:59.55 | ntz | rmzelnick: nope :), we didn't understand correctly to each other |
| 13:00.11 | ntz | I was just ranting about 7.8 stupidity |
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| 13:00.34 | rmzelnick | oh ok |
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| 13:01.17 | rmzelnick | i can't believe they put systemd in 8.1 just because of outreach to women |
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| 13:01.33 | rmzelnick | what? women can't use sysvinit? |
| 13:01.57 | rmzelnick | If I were a women I would have felt insulted by now |
| 13:02.25 | sonOfRa | "i can't believe they put systemd in 8.1 just because of outreach to women" what? |
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| 13:02.43 | sonOfRa | you don't need to believe that, because it's not true |
| 13:02.49 | g00se | Ach! I've borked that alternative! |
| 13:03.05 | rmzelnick | rfreeman_w> ntz, all work went into systemd because Outreach For Woman demanded it, or something, in my opinion |
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| 13:03.22 | sonOfRa | that's complete bullshit |
| 13:03.47 | rmzelnick | oh good! |
| 13:04.25 | rmzelnick | g00se: then remove the link manually from /etc/alternatives "sudo rm /etc/alternatives/xvncviewer" |
| 13:05.00 | rmzelnick | and run update-alternatives --install path/to/vnc xvncviewer /etc/alternatives/xvncviewer 25 |
| 13:05.04 | ntz | wth is ``Outreach For Women'' ? |
| 13:05.33 | rmzelnick | some project out there to give incentives to women to use linux |
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| 13:05.40 | g00se | rmzelnick: Actually it can't be too far off. Would you be kind enough to take a quick look? |
| 13:05.59 | Myrtti | s/use/develop/ |
| 13:06.06 | rmzelnick | quick look? |
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| 13:06.19 | g00se | http://sprunge.us/DiPa shows the bork |
| 13:06.19 | rmzelnick | you want me to ssh? |
| 13:06.20 | Haris | how to see alternatives on jessy ? |
| 13:06.51 | rmzelnick | update-alternatives --get-selections |
| 13:07.07 | rmzelnick | g00se: it seems correct |
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| 13:07.13 | g00se | http://sprunge.us/CHZZ shows the links, which _seem_ to be not too bad |
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| 13:07.49 | g00se | rmzelnick: They're the same app. There's meant to be now 2 alts |
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| 13:08.06 | rmzelnick | yes, one is auto and the other one is manual |
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| 13:08.53 | g00se | The objective was to have /usr/local/bin/VNC-Viewer-5.2.3-Linux-x64 |
| 13:08.59 | g00se | in there |
| 13:09.08 | otyugh | (is it normal that a ssh copying on a lan is of 4-3Mo/sec only while on nfs, same task, I get 30Mo/sec ? |
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| 13:09.23 | otyugh | Is there a way to get ssh a bit more eficient ? |
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| 13:10.21 | rfreeman_w | rmzelnick, the vote happened partially because many Outreach voted |
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| 13:12.21 | trewas | otyugh: ssh shouldn't be any slower if the processors are quick enough for encryption, I just had to transfer >0.5T from one computer to another in LAN and the lazy version (rsync+ssh) went almost 90MB/s |
| 13:13.20 | otyugh | trewas: it's weird then |
| 13:13.28 | otyugh | Some kind of miss configuration then ? |
| 13:13.54 | g00se | Were you using rsync? |
| 13:14.05 | rmzelnick | g00se: update-alternatives --install /usr/local/bin/VNC-Viewer-5.2.3-Linux-x64 xvncviewer /etc/alternatives/xvncviewer 100 |
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| 13:15.07 | rmzelnick | then run update-alternatives --config xvncviewer and select the one you want (i.e VNC-Viewer-5.2.3-Linux-x64) |
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| 13:15.50 | rmzelnick | trewas: nice! |
| 13:16.06 | rmzelnick | trewas: what protocol did you use? FTP? |
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| 13:16.15 | g00se | What's confusing me is the vncviewer/xvncviewer thing |
| 13:16.28 | trewas | rmzelnick: rsync+ssh, and I was quite surprised about the speed too |
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| 13:17.55 | rmzelnick | g00se: I see |
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| 13:18.01 | otyugh | trewas: weird, i didn't thought ssh was to configure manually to get correct perf |
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| 13:18.10 | g00se | >>error: alternative xvncviewer can't be master: it is a slave of vncviewer |
| 13:18.37 | g00se | That begins to answer my confusion. It's a matter of slavery |
| 13:18.43 | rmzelnick | ok |
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| 13:18.52 | rmzelnick | hold on.. |
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| 13:19.02 | trewas | otyugh: I haven't done any specific configuration, just the default encryption methods and so on (and without compression of course) |
| 13:19.15 | otyugh | so... Weird |
| 13:19.47 | otyugh | I had bad results with rsync too |
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| 13:20.46 | trewas | are they small files? nfs might be faster in that case, but I wouldn't expect so large difference even in that case |
| 13:21.16 | otyugh | no small file |
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| 13:22.39 | Milencho | hi guys |
| 13:22.49 | Milencho | can anyone help me with compile hybserv |
| 13:22.49 | Milencho | 2 |
| 13:22.50 | Milencho | 3 |
| 13:22.50 | Milencho | ** Installing HybServ2 in /usr/local/hybserv ** |
| 13:22.50 | Milencho | make: *** [install-binary] Error 1 |
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| 13:23.03 | Milencho | sorry, http://pastie.org/10245136 |
| 13:23.08 | Milencho | this is the error |
| 13:23.31 | TJ- | otyugh: Is there any other intensive disk I/O activity at either end? That might delay things |
| 13:23.44 | pfote | doent even know what hybserv is |
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| 13:25.33 | g00se | rmzelnick: Thanks for your help |
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| 13:26.21 | Milencho | can anybody help me with http://pastie.org/10245136# |
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| 13:37.46 | rmzelnick | clear |
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| 13:43.07 | ChrisH | Milencho: 1.) looks like self compiled SW which is not suppoted here 2.) looks like make did not build the binary |
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| 13:48.04 | rmzelnick | hello? |
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| 13:49.56 | eugenmayer | since i could not dig out anything using google: Anything know that xpdf has the wrong font paths for e.g. japanees fonts ? |
| 13:50.01 | eugenmayer | (wheezy) |
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| 13:50.39 | greent | i'm seeing a lot of icons i dont have the correct fonts installed for - how can i fix this? |
| 13:51.13 | IanTee | the correct fonts for...? what? |
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| 13:53.12 | greent | im not sure exactly, IanTee. i just see [] squares where i presume a font is used to display an icon |
| 13:53.24 | greent | things like that |
| 13:53.30 | IsntFunny | hello. i sometimes get the message "new mail in x", can i somehow send those mails to myself if they occur? i already configured sendmail to sent mails through my gmail |
| 13:53.58 | greent | http://getemoji.com/ |
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| 13:54.06 | greent | i only see like 5% of those |
| 13:54.23 | IanTee | oh |
| 13:54.27 | IanTee | me too greent |
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| 13:55.57 | greent | theyre annoyingly common these days |
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| 13:56.00 | IanTee | greent, but i guess it's their problem, i mean the developers' not yours |
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| 13:58.44 | achylles | how can I install debian in a brand new laptop with windows8 on it? If I put a debian netiso image on a usb flash and get to the point of partitioning the disk, will debian wipe windows away and boot grub normally? |
| 13:59.22 | somiaj | l3archos: yea that is strange, not sure if you have some custom grub setting that overrides the standard (it should use the biggest number by default). Or are you using some virtual container? Anyways hope you figured it out. |
| 13:59.31 | bezaban | achylles: yes, if you delete the partitions and repartition in that space it will wipe windows and install grub if you instruct it to |
| 13:59.53 | IanTee | the new installer is really cool! Love it! |
| 14:00.06 | bezaban | achylles: I would look up hardware support first though and keep in mind that it potentially also wipes your windows8 recovery partition |
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| 14:00.34 | bezaban | achylles: all which can be done from within the installer |
| 14:01.24 | somiaj | achylles: you could resize the windows partition and have a dual boot setup, or you could wipe windows the choice is yours there. And I would listen to bezaban and check the hardware before wiping windows. |
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| 14:02.21 | IanTee | GParted ftw! |
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| 14:02.59 | l3archos | somiaj: no, I am not using virtual containers. Can you explain to me, please, how I can check the order of which Kernel my system's trying to load ? |
| 14:03.16 | achylles | somiaj, I really do not want dual booting, I can install windows on virtualbox after |
| 14:04.15 | somiaj | l3archos: are you using grub? Are you able to see the grub menu when it boots, or are these remote machines so you have to configure it without seeing what actually happens during the boot? |
| 14:04.54 | somiaj | achylles: in that case you can tell the installer to wipe the whole window spartition, I would double check hardware support for anything you know you'll want to use such as gpu and network card. |
| 14:05.13 | l3archos | I am pretty sure that Debian Jessie is using grub2 per default (correct me if I'm wrong), so I have to look in which file ? /etc/default/grub ? |
| 14:05.13 | linuxthefish | does debian have any EFI live iso's? |
| 14:05.15 | l3archos | somiaj: |
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| 14:05.23 | linuxthefish | the installer ISO's work but not the live one |
| 14:05.38 | shay_shay | linuxthefish: no the live iso's are bios only |
| 14:05.50 | linuxthefish | ah ok thanks |
| 14:06.00 | achylles | bezaban, normally, you already know, a brand new laptop comes with the option to back the system recovery up into a thumb drive. I think that if I do that, I can put back the machine to factory new if needed. What do you guys think? |
| 14:06.08 | JesusAlexis | dont' not unetbooting in debian jessie ¿? |
| 14:06.28 | shay_shay | ,v unetbootin |
| 14:06.29 | judd | Package: unetbootin on amd64 -- squeeze: 471-2; wheezy: 575-1; sid: 608-1 |
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| 14:06.40 | shay_shay | oh, because reasons |
| 14:06.53 | bezaban | achylles: yeah, copy the recovery - always nice to have it available since you've payed for it |
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| 14:07.00 | shay_shay | what are you trying to do JesusAlexis ? |
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| 14:07.22 | bezaban | I think that should recover fine to a blank/formatted drive, but ymmv |
| 14:07.36 | somiaj | l3archos: /etc/default/grub will contain some info that grub needs, but that isn't the actual config file. /boot/grub/menu.cfg (I forget what the config file is called in grub2, but it lives in /boot/grub) |
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| 14:07.57 | somiaj | l3archos: the actual thing grub uses is there (But dont' edit that file, just look at it to see why the kernels aren't there) |
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| 14:08.29 | somiaj | l3archos: you can also manually run 'update-grub' and then look at the grub boot config file to try to see why it isn't putting the jessie kernel in there. It is a very odd issue and I don't really know what could be the problem. |
| 14:08.30 | l3archos | somiaj: the new kernel IS there as I see, but I have no f*** clue how to change the order |
| 14:08.37 | somiaj | l3archos: i.e. installing the newer kernel should have been enough. |
| 14:09.05 | somiaj | l3archos: yea by default this shouldn't be an issue unless you have something in /etc/default/grub or something else making the 3.2 kernel default. |
| 14:09.26 | somiaj | l3archos: and I'm unsure the best thing to look at at this point. grub has mostly just worked for me so I never really looked into how to configure it |
| 14:09.26 | shay_shay | achylles: you can partclone the recovery partition and restore it to a thumb drive |
| 14:09.47 | shay_shay | achylles: partclone is the active ingredient in clonezilla, its available in debian repo |
| 14:09.51 | l3archos | somiaj: "update-grub" did find one linux image and one initrd for kernel 3.2.0-4 and one linux image + initrd for kernel 3.16.0-4. So the new image is installed, I think I have to tell grub to use the 3.16.0 as default |
| 14:10.18 | l3archos | somiaj: ok, however, thank you a lot for your assistance. |
| 14:10.19 | JesusAlexis | shay_shay, debian-jessei.iso in usb !! |
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| 14:10.23 | l3archos | any other help appreciated |
| 14:10.41 | somiaj | l3archos: I'd try google, again it should usually make the newer kernel default unless something was done to override this |
| 14:11.02 | Haris | I"v installed memcached on jessy. how do I check its status ? do I need to install another package for it |
| 14:11.04 | shay_shay | JesusAlexis: sudo cp debian-jessie.iso /dev/sdX |
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| 14:11.29 | achylles | shay_shay, can I partclone recovery partition using a live distro? |
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| 14:11.41 | Haris | libmemcached-tools ? |
| 14:11.47 | l3archos | somiaj: I don't know WHAT could have cause my system NOT to make the newer kernel as deault at the stage as I installed "linux-image-amd64" |
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| 14:12.19 | greent | IanTee, apt-get install ttf-ancient-fonts |
| 14:12.22 | greent | works lovely |
| 14:12.26 | JesusAlexis | shay_shay, thanks !!!!! |
| 14:12.31 | greent | well, mostly |
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| 14:13.05 | shay_shay | achylles: you can, you can install partclone to a live debian. either that or just get clonezilla. the reason i recommend that instead of dd is because it was specifically engineered to do what you want to do, whereas dd was just meant to dumb move bits around from one file to another |
| 14:13.31 | IanTee | greent, they should've predicted that, and include the font on their site.. i'm not installing any font for them :P |
| 14:13.44 | greent | lol ok |
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| 14:14.41 | IanTee | i mean everything else displays ok for the last 2 years that i run on debian, it's the only website i saw with issues xD |
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| 14:15.55 | no_gravity | the -i option of rsync causes it to display a nice info field with flags like "f..t...." next to each file. how can one look up, what the meaning of these is? |
| 14:16.11 | achylles | shay_shay, instead of buying a 16g thumb drive to put the recovery win partition, can I copy that to a bigger external HD and then recover windows from there if needed? |
| 14:16.24 | Haris | guys ? |
| 14:16.33 | Walex | IanTee: website designers usually don't care about compatibility or speed or other things that web site visitors care about. They only care about making a very cool site demo on a specific platform to the customers. |
| 14:16.37 | Haris | what tool to install to get status of memcached ? |
| 14:16.47 | Haris | status = status/stats |
| 14:16.57 | shay_shay | achylles: yep |
| 14:17.20 | Walex | Haris: you are expecting too much specific knowledge about a specific and somewhat obscure tool from here. |
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| 14:17.24 | IanTee | Walex, well i'm a web designer, and i really care my sites to be crossplatform and cross browser :P |
| 14:17.53 | Walex | IanTee: you must be weird :-) |
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| 14:18.23 | Haris | Walex: that went over my head. on centos when I install memcached server, I get the memcached-tool to check its stats, and to get what it has stored with it |
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| 14:18.43 | Haris | surely debian has that tool in repos' as well |
| 14:19.26 | themill | you know how to search already |
| 14:19.29 | Walex | IanTee: actually some of the web designers customers that care about lean, portable design are those who have sites that sell stuff online. |
| 14:19.39 | Haris | ah yes |
| 14:19.40 | Haris | ! |
| 14:19.42 | Walex | Haris: 'apt-cache search' and 'apt-file search' |
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| 14:20.03 | IanTee | Walex, yy |
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| 14:20.28 | Haris | apt-cache says libmemcached-tools has memcached-tool. installed it. but can't find memcached-tool |
| 14:20.58 | Walex | Haris: 'dpkg -L libmemcached-tools | grep tool' |
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| 14:21.36 | wakeatnight | is there a repo for a rt kernel and audio apps like Ardour4? (sorry if wrong place to ask) |
| 14:21.42 | Walex | Haris: actually better 'apt-cache show libmemcached-tools' |
| 14:21.47 | wakeatnight | kxstudio only seems to have ardour3 and its a ppa... |
| 14:21.52 | Haris | ok. its not installed on path |
| 14:21.53 | Haris | lol |
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| 14:22.59 | Walex | Haris: apt-get install apt-file; apt-file update |
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| 14:23.13 | Haris | already installed |
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| 14:23.59 | Walex | Haris: then a bit of lack of initiative happend :-) |
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| 14:24.11 | Haris | yep |
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| 14:32.39 | hellyeah | start using debian again |
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| 14:32.45 | hellyeah | seems cool |
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| 14:33.38 | shay_shay | \o/ |
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| 14:34.39 | hellyeah | &jo'n 3javascr'pt |
| 14:35.11 | shay_shay | eh? |
| 14:36.33 | themill | off-by-one error |
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| 14:44.44 | jhutchins | Haris: There's also locate, but it only updates with nightly maintenance. For newly installed files "updatedb && locate mcached-tool" |
| 14:45.01 | Haris | got it |
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| 14:48.05 | no_gravity | Measuring the time of a command with "time command". how do i interpret the 3 numbers, real, user and sys? is "real" the combination of everything? |
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| 14:57.57 | Tsutsukakushi | can someone help me get this font installed: http://skrolli.fi/2015.2.data/unscii.zip |
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| 14:58.14 | Tsutsukakushi | no matter where i throw it and run fc-cache it won't show up |
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| 14:59.16 | tomodachi | I aint installing no trojan fonT! |
| 14:59.23 | tomodachi | ok doesnt have to be but i good thank you |
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| 15:01.23 | knivsta | tomodachi, What trojan font? |
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| 15:01.44 | Tsutsukakushi | any reason why fc-cache wouldn't pick them up? |
| 15:01.49 | Tsutsukakushi | or detect* |
| 15:01.51 | Walex | Tsutsukakushi: I'll have a look, but in general you just put in into ~/.fonts/ |
| 15:01.56 | Tsutsukakushi | ye |
| 15:01.58 | Tsutsukakushi | i did |
| 15:02.00 | Tsutsukakushi | :o |
| 15:02.02 | Tsutsukakushi | and nothing happened |
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| 15:03.31 | tomodachi | knivsta: Tsutsukakushi had problems with a font and further up in the chat wanted someone to help him with hit so e linked to a zip containing it |
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| 15:03.51 | knivsta | tomodachi, ok |
| 15:04.03 | Walex | Tsutsukakushi: 'fc-list | grep unascii' |
| 15:04.14 | Walex | Tsutsukakushi: 'fc-list | grep unscii' |
| 15:04.29 | Tsutsukakushi | i've done that |
| 15:04.30 | tomodachi | knivsta: do you live in knivsta? |
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| 15:04.39 | Tsutsukakushi | also tried fc-match |
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| 15:06.38 | Tsutsukakushi | does it work for you? |
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| 15:06.54 | imexil | Hi, I'm affected by today's kernel update breaking my server https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=789037 and was wondering how I can check when there is a new updated available. |
| 15:07.36 | imexil | From the bugreport its not clear to me if the package just gets rebuilt or if there is going to be a new version. |
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| 15:09.49 | ChrisH | imexil: I would expect a new version. There is not real way to just rebuild with the same versionnumber without mixing up fixed and non-fixed versions. |
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| 15:09.57 | Tsutsukakushi | hm |
| 15:10.09 | Tsutsukakushi | my other machine gets the font just fine |
| 15:10.12 | Tsutsukakushi | when i do fc-cache |
| 15:10.20 | Tsutsukakushi | why not my debian laptop then |
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| 15:10.36 | imexil | ChrisH: Thanks. So I should simply watch the package index getting a version bump. |
| 15:11.35 | Walex | Tsutsukakushi: I tried those fonts and they cannot be decoded on my system. The files seem to be malformed. |
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| 15:11.59 | Tsutsukakushi | but my parabola machine installed them just fine |
| 15:12.01 | Tsutsukakushi | :o |
| 15:12.08 | Walex | Tsutsukakushi: if you know better... |
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| 15:12.26 | Tsutsukakushi | i don't know better |
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| 15:13.03 | Walex | Tsutsukakushi: then do the obvious things: try to put another font file in your $HOME/.fonts/ dir, try to copy the font file from the other machine. |
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| 15:14.40 | Walex | Tsutsukakushi: try 'kfontview unscii-8.ttf' or 'gnome-font-viewer unscii-8.ttf' |
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| 15:16.06 | Walex | Tsutsukakushi: compare with 'gnome-font-viewer /usr/share/fonts/truetype/ttf-dejavu/DejaVuSans.ttf' and 'kfontview /usr/share/fonts/truetype/ttf-dejavu/DejaVuSans.ttf' |
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| 15:19.38 | Tsutsukakushi | :/ |
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| 15:20.43 | Tsutsukakushi | it says unable to read |
| 15:20.44 | Walex | Tsutsukakushi: however the '.pcf' files seem to work |
| 15:20.45 | Tsutsukakushi | :/ |
| 15:21.11 | Tsutsukakushi | for me it's unable to read those too |
| 15:21.13 | Tsutsukakushi | :/ |
| 15:21.32 | Walex | Tsutsukakushi: that's unlikely... |
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| 15:22.51 | Tsutsukakushi | yeah, but that's the case |
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| 15:34.43 | Walex | Tsutsukakushi: since the '.pcf' works here, and '.pcf' files are much simpler and harder to build wrong than '.ttf', it is really unlikely. |
| 15:35.05 | Tsutsukakushi | :/ |
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| 15:35.15 | Tsutsukakushi | why won't fc-cache pick them up then? |
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| 15:35.52 | Walex | Tsutsukakushi: have you tried viewing them with 'gnome-font-viewer' or 'kfontview'? |
| 15:35.58 | Tsutsukakushi | yes |
| 15:36.19 | Walex | Tsutsukakushi: and the result was? |
| 15:36.29 | Tsutsukakushi | >unable to read the font face file |
| 15:36.54 | Tsutsukakushi | for all 3 |
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| 15:37.48 | Walex | Tsutsukakushi: dpkg -l 'gnome-font-viewer' 'kde-workspace-bin' |
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| 15:54.22 | knivsta | open gtk app. open file open/save dialog . try to rename file |
| 15:54.31 | knivsta | Why cannot I rename files there? |
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| 15:54.55 | Tsutsukakushi | now i removed /etc/fonts/conf.d/70-no-bitmaps.conf but didn't seem to fix the situation |
| 15:54.57 | Tsutsukakushi | :/ |
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| 15:56.16 | g00se | fuse seems so lame at times. Can someone remind me what's more powerful than fusermount -u ? |
| 15:57.49 | g00se | Actually sudo umount seems to have done it |
| 15:58.03 | imexil | ChrisH: you were right. A new build with new version number is now ready :-) |
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| 16:01.18 | Tsutsukakushi | so, even after deleting the no-bitmaps rule they still aren't recognized |
| 16:01.25 | Tsutsukakushi | what can i try next |
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| 16:05.37 | jhutchins | Tsutsukakushi: Have you tried obtaining new copies of the files? |
| 16:05.46 | Tsutsukakushi | yes |
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| 16:16.52 | jelly | Tsutsukakushi: you also need to add yes-bitmaps |
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| 16:17.37 | fossrox | When i'm trying to install python3-venv I get this: python3-venv : Depends: python3.4-venv (>= 3.4.2-0) but it is not going to be installed -- does anybody know a solution to that? |
| 16:17.50 | ChrisH | ,v python3-venv |
| 16:17.52 | judd | Package: python3-venv on amd64 -- stretch: 3.4.2-2; jessie: 3.4.2-2; sid: 3.4.2-2; experimental: 3.4.3-2 |
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| 16:18.49 | jelly | fossrox: pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy python3 python3-venv python3.4-venv" |
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| 16:19.07 | jelly | use paste.debian.net, or really anything except pastebin.com |
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| 16:21.52 | fossrox | paste.debian.net is my favourite :) |
| 16:21.57 | fossrox | jelly: https://paste.debian.net/234935/ |
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| 16:23.43 | jelly | fossrox: looks sane. what about the install command and its full output? |
| 16:24.42 | fossrox | let me paste the result from aptitude, because it's the most verbose |
| 16:25.24 | fossrox | jelly: https://paste.debian.net/234937/ |
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| 16:27.25 | ChrisH | fossrox: add apt-cache policy python3.4 |
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| 16:27.44 | fossrox | I wonder about the solution number 2... not sure really how the newer version of python got into my box... maybe it comes from the time when i had testing in my sources instead of jessie and replaces that to jessie few days after jessie became stable... |
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| 16:28.30 | fossrox | ChrisH: https://paste.debian.net/234938/ |
| 16:29.14 | fossrox | s/replaces/replaced |
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| 16:29.23 | ChrisH | ,v python3.4 |
| 16:29.24 | judd | Package: python3.4 on amd64 -- jessie: 3.4.2-1; stretch: 3.4.3-7; sid: 3.4.3-7 |
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| 16:30.21 | ChrisH | fossrox: The sollutions lines 20-24 sounds reasonable to me. |
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| 16:31.03 | fossrox | thank you ChrisH :) i will then apply it |
| 16:31.08 | Zesk | Hello, if I had install a package with dpkg, I have to remove it with dpkg right? |
| 16:31.23 | ChrisH | Zesk: no |
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| 16:31.38 | fossrox | jelly, thank you as well :) |
| 16:32.57 | Zesk | ChrisH, what is the best practice? use apt-get remove? |
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| 16:34.03 | ChrisH | Zesk: apt-get or aptitude or dpkg, depends on what you like... I heard there might even be GUIs out :) |
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| 16:35.57 | Zesk | ChrisH, oh okay, so it's doesn't really matter if I understand well |
| 16:36.18 | ChrisH | Zesk: ACK |
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| 16:37.51 | Zesk | ChrisH: thanks :) |
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| 17:25.49 | fennesz | Hello ! I am trying to use hdparm on a windows machine . My laptop has 2 harddrives . How can I find out what label each of them has ? hda0 , hda1 etc. |
| 17:26.20 | fennesz | can someone help me ? Btw this is not a Windows channel but since hdparm is linux based I thought I could ask here too |
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| 17:28.29 | petn-randall | Hi fennesz, we only support Debian in here, so we could help you with hdparm if you use the Debian live image. I have no idea how hdparm works on windows, I didn't even know it works there. |
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| 17:29.58 | fennesz | petn-randall, http://disablehddapm.blogspot.gr/ the package includes Cygwin® POSIX Emulation library v.1007.9.0.0 released 29 mar 2011 . |
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| 17:35.04 | fennesz | petn-randall, could hdparm cause data corruption ? (on debian ) |
| 17:35.28 | bolovanos | I need ActionBar with overflow and settings. In ActionBar must be visible and ready to use search field with delete cross and function button together -> like this|[Searchfield[x]][btn][overFlow]|. What would you recomend as basic libraries (android.support.v7.app.AppCompatActivity vs android.support.v7.app.ActionBarActivity) and gradle settings(com.android.support:appcompat-v7:22.2.0 vs com.android.support:appcompat-v7:21.0.0) when I would like to |
| 17:35.28 | bolovanos | support as mutch Android devices as possible without to much overhead for newbie? |
| 17:35.28 | bolovanos | Right now I am extending ActionBarActivity from android.support.v7.app.ActionBarActivity and compile 'com.android.support:appcompat-v7:22.2.0' in Gradle. I have problems with SearchView from android.support.v7.widget.SearchView - I am unable to make it working like i need ^. Today I was playing with ActionBarActivity from android.support.v7.app.ActionBarActivity, but without any visible progress. |
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| 17:36.28 | invlpg[1] | i have a crash in gdbus whenever i attempt to log in the computer..i posted in the bugsystem but they need a stack trace |
| 17:36.40 | invlpg[1] | so i took a coredump but no addresses are able to examine: http://pastebin.com/8LFgK1kc |
| 17:36.55 | bolovanos | sry - bat chanel |
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| 17:38.43 | ghost_ | seems like i have broken my apt system somehow and need help get it back on track |
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| 17:38.57 | petn-randall | fennesz: If you set dangerous parameters, yes. |
| 17:39.03 | don_armstrong | invlpg[1]: you can start by installing the libc6-dbg package, and retrying the backtrace |
| 17:39.16 | ghost_ | on apt-get install anyprog, it tells me another program needs to be reinstalled, |
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| 17:39.24 | ghost_ | thing is that this dont work |
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| 17:39.37 | ghost_ | root@nas1:/etc/apt/sources.list.d# apt-get -f install |
| 17:39.37 | ghost_ | Reading package lists... Done |
| 17:39.37 | ghost_ | Building dependency tree |
| 17:39.37 | ghost_ | Reading state information... Done |
| 17:39.37 | ghost_ | E: The package openmediavault-omvextrasorg needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it. |
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| 17:39.56 | ghost_ | http://paste.debian.net/235109/ |
| 17:40.01 | dondelelcaro | ghost_: you'll have to figure out where you installed that package from, and add back the source for it |
| 17:40.06 | dondelelcaro | ,versions openmediavault-omvextrasorg |
| 17:40.07 | judd | No package named 'openmediavault-omvextrasorg' was found in amd64. |
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| 17:40.14 | dondelelcaro | ghost_: since that's not a Debian package. |
| 17:40.19 | fennesz | petn-randall, what if you leave defaults? |
| 17:40.25 | dondelelcaro | ghost_: alternatively, you can just remove that package completely |
| 17:40.30 | ghost_ | how? |
| 17:40.36 | dondelelcaro | ghost_: how to do what? |
| 17:40.46 | ghost_ | have been trying all day googling how to remove those |
| 17:40.56 | ghost_ | apt-get --remove purge wont do it |
| 17:41.05 | dondelelcaro | ghost_: dpkg -r openmediavault-omvextrasorg; |
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| 17:41.35 | dondelelcaro | hopefully that will just work. If not, there are other things that can be done |
| 17:41.37 | ghost_ | http://paste.debian.net/235110/ |
| 17:41.46 | ghost_ | dont work:( |
| 17:42.38 | dondelelcaro | ghost_: well, if you don't want to follow its advice, and reinstall it first, dpkg -r --force-remove-reinstreq openmediavault-omvextrasorg |
| 17:42.50 | dondelelcaro | ghost_: and you probably shouldn't be installing such bad non-Debian packages in the first place. |
| 17:43.00 | ghost_ | nah i know |
| 17:43.15 | ghost_ | i think i choose some premade iso dist |
| 17:43.35 | ghost_ | still get same errors on dpkg -r --force-remove-reinstreq openmediavault-omvextrasorg |
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| 17:43.50 | fennesz | petn-randall, would this be safe hdparm -B255 /dev/sda ? |
| 17:44.19 | dondelelcaro | ghost_: you should get different errors, because that will override that part of dpkg... |
| 17:44.25 | ghost_ | possible to just remove it all, and install some other NAS software? |
| 17:44.57 | ghost_ | http://paste.debian.net/235128/ |
| 17:45.05 | ghost_ | not same error:) but errors everywhere |
| 17:45.42 | ghost_ | need a NAS sw that have somekind of webgui since the NAS is WAN |
| 17:45.45 | dondelelcaro | ghost_: so rm /var/lib/dpkg/info/openmediavault-omvextrasorg.postrm; then rerun the dpkg -r command. |
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| 17:46.38 | ghost_ | dpkg: warning: ignoring request to remove openmediavault-omvextrasorg which isn't installed |
| 17:46.38 | dpkg | ghost_: That isn't enough detail, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 17:46.41 | ghost_ | there we go |
| 17:46.45 | ghost_ | now its removed it seems |
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| 17:50.10 | ghost_ | thx alot dondelelcaro, now apt-get update/upgrade work |
| 17:50.11 | ghost_ | thx |
| 17:50.29 | HelloShitty | hi |
| 17:50.45 | HelloShitty | How do I check correctly which versoin of QT I have in my Debian? |
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| 17:52.32 | HelloShitty | I have qt creator installed and in the about qt creator menu it says: 2.8.1, based on Qt 5.1.1 |
| 17:52.40 | HelloShitty | I assume I have Qt version 5, right? |
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| 17:53.50 | louiedog | dpkg --get-selections | grep libqt |
| 17:53.50 | dpkg | selects louiedog's pr0n collection |
| 17:54.10 | louiedog | I guess that was a no no |
| 17:54.52 | louiedog | use the get selections flag with dpkg, you can then grep for libqt to show the libs you have installed |
| 17:55.01 | squisher | hey guys, anyone aware of a sudden disk usage spike on the debian archive today? |
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| 18:09.43 | Homie | Hi, where is the default location for iptables rules on Debian? |
| 18:10.27 | invlpg[1] | don_armstrong, sorry but would it replace my current one? |
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| 18:10.49 | invlpg[1] | don_armstrong, if so, how will i be able to revert back? |
| 18:10.55 | Brigo | Homie, if you install iptables-persistent package /home/iptable/ipv4.rules |
| 18:12.52 | valdyn | seriously |
| 18:13.29 | valdyn | Brigo: nonsense |
| 18:13.37 | Brigo | valdyn, ? |
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| 18:14.02 | valdyn | Brigo: that package uses /etc/iptables |
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| 18:15.03 | valdyn | from the README: "This is a very simple script that restores the file /etc/iptables/rules.v4 as the active ruleset at system boot." |
| 18:15.14 | Homie | sounds weird Brigo, like valdyn said, wouldnt it be more like "/etc/iptables.up.rules" or "/etc/iptables/iptables.rules"? |
| 18:15.35 | valdyn | werid and a serious policy violation |
| 18:15.55 | knivsta | Does iceweasel support FF hello thing? |
| 18:15.57 | Brigo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:16.23 | pl33g0r | hi everyone |
| 18:16.43 | pl33g0r | does anyone experience issue installing saslauthd on debian8? |
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| 18:17.18 | valdyn | !tell pl33g0r -about ask |
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| 18:18.42 | pl33g0r | frenetik i am not able to see config file even though package gets instaled |
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| 18:20.04 | Homie | valdyn: whats your opinion on where should be this iptables rules file? |
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| 18:21.15 | valdyn | Homie: its where the README sais it is |
| 18:21.23 | valdyn | Homie: (if you use that package) |
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| 18:22.50 | Brigo | there is another simmilar package: netfilter-persistent |
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| 18:34.14 | d3lphi | hello all. Any help really appreciated, I cannot find the culprit since days ==> http://paste.debian.net/235270/ |
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| 18:38.22 | centrx | d3lphi, Have you tried searching for the error code? |
| 18:38.27 | centrx | d3lphi, Also try #php they may know better |
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| 18:47.57 | Toof | Hello |
| 18:48.07 | Toof | i have a question about a symlink and i can't really figure it out |
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| 18:48.25 | Toof | I got 2 folders from and to |
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| 18:48.38 | Toof | the folder from has a simlink to the folder 'to' |
| 18:48.52 | Toof | but when i place files in the folder from it shows in the to folder as well |
| 18:49.03 | centrx | right |
| 18:49.05 | Toof | but it still says it takes full space in folder from |
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| 18:49.19 | Toof | while i actually don't want it to take too much space |
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| 18:50.18 | Toof | am I missing something? |
| 18:50.28 | centrx | Toof, the symlink directory will act like the real directory, but it's not duplicating the file |
| 18:51.09 | Toof | so when im checking in my from folder it's actually immidiatly pointing towards the to folder ? |
| 18:51.20 | centrx | right |
| 18:51.27 | Toof | Ok thanks alot |
| 18:51.36 | Toof | I thought i was going mad |
| 18:51.44 | Toof | thank you for returning my sanity |
| 18:51.50 | centrx | Make sure it's a symlink by doing ls -l in the directory above it for example |
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| 18:52.17 | Homie | Brigo, valdyn: according to https://wiki.debian.org/iptables it seems that it should be stored in "/etc/iptables.up.rules" |
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| 18:52.57 | Toof | in the from or to to folder? |
| 18:53.26 | Toof | Aaah I see |
| 18:53.31 | Toof | thanks alot centrx |
| 18:53.50 | Toof | What an awesome feature |
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| 18:55.16 | centrx | "sym" stands for extra cool |
| 18:55.51 | Toof | I can imagine why it's called symlink then |
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| 18:56.15 | Toof | If i'll ever invent a new fridge i'll call it sym |
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| 18:59.27 | riffo | How do I find out why packages are in the contrib area? Right now I am interested in the case of winetricks. |
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| 19:04.30 | centrx | riffo, web search will often turn up a "bug" report conversation about it |
| 19:04.44 | centrx | riffo, or looking at the license inside the package |
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| 19:06.22 | valdyn | riffo: packages are in contrib because the depend on non-free software |
| 19:07.06 | centrx | riffo, I think winetricks is there because it is used to "install some Windows software easily" |
| 19:07.21 | centrx | riffo, So the software it is used to install might be downloaded from the Internet from within the app, and is non-free |
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| 19:08.42 | jhutchins | riffo: Generally contrib is packages that depend on something non-free. |
| 19:08.46 | jhutchins | !contrib |
| 19:08.46 | dpkg | [contrib] Debian packages that contain <DFSG>-compliant software, but have dependencies not in main (possibly packaged for Debian in non-free). To get contrib packages, add lines like "deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ [jessie|stretch|sid] main contrib" to your /etc/apt/sources.list, then «aptitude update». Also ask me about <non-free>, <contrib list>. |
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| 19:14.37 | RFC | I need a how to make debian 8 live persistent! somebody could help me please? |
| 19:15.24 | centrx | RFC, https://www.debian.org/CD/live/ |
| 19:15.46 | RFC | centrx i know how to make it live, but not persistent |
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| 19:16.18 | RFC | centrx any tip? |
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| 19:17.45 | centrx | RFC, Yeah I'm trying to find it online, I don't know where it is. There must be an icon somewhere on the desktop or something? |
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| 19:18.16 | centrx | RFC, maybe there is a menu at boot that has it? |
| 19:18.21 | centrx | booting from the live CD |
| 19:18.27 | RFC | i have checked two or 3 websites |
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| 19:18.38 | RFC | in linux dot com i find a way |
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| 19:18.57 | RFC | create a ext2 partition |
| 19:19.24 | RFC | but tryed to boot |
| 19:19.31 | RFC | but dont recognize |
| 19:20.28 | RFC | when it was boot i pressed ESC |
| 19:20.50 | RFC | and type --> boot: live persistent |
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| 19:20.57 | RFC | but dont work as well |
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| 19:25.59 | RFC | well well |
| 19:26.05 | RFC | will try again |
| 19:26.34 | RFC | find a noip here that maybe works |
| 19:26.45 | RFC | thanks centrx! |
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| 19:27.45 | centrx | Good luck! |
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| 19:29.47 | riffo | valdyn, centrx, jhutchins: 1) I expect packages to be in contrib that *depend* on propr. software, not such that might easily enable one to install it. 2) If winetricks were in contrib for enabling one to, then the whole wine library should (what would be pretty mad if you ask me). Consider that there is indeed free software that runs only on windows; like the instant messenger miranda, for example. |
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| 19:30.20 | valdyn | riffo: so? does winetricks enable you to run any free software? |
| 19:30.31 | valdyn | riffo: we know that *wine* does, but does winetricks ? |
| 19:30.50 | riffo | valdyn: it does ease the use of wine whichs enables one to run miranda with only free software, which is itself free software. |
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| 19:31.31 | valdyn | riffo: thats one indirection to much |
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| 19:31.55 | valdyn | riffo: if winetricks enabled any free software, then thats that, and it would need to be in main |
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| 19:32.32 | valdyn | riffo: but as far as i know it is used to install non-free stuff only - so its in contrib |
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| 19:33.44 | riffo | valdyn: so, why isn't the whole wine library in contrib? |
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| 19:34.06 | valdyn | riffo: because wine enables you to run free windows software |
| 19:34.35 | riffo | valdyn: but winetricks helps only with non-free one? |
| 19:34.45 | valdyn | riffo: thats what I assumed, correct |
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| 19:36.08 | Zeranoe | How can I write a Debian ISO to a usb flash drive on Windows? |
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| 19:37.23 | SonarMonkey | Zeranoe: On windows? You could use Rufus, or some other tool like that |
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| 19:38.47 | jhutchins | !win32diskimager |
| 19:38.47 | dpkg | win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/ . Adjust the file mask from *.img to *.* if it doesn't show our .iso images. See <usb install> and <install debian> for further details. |
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| 19:39.26 | CygniX | I am trying to set ipv6 on dedicated server running debian 8. The provider's instruction (http://documentation.online.net/en/serveur-dedie/reseau/ipv6-prefix) requires 'pre-up dhclient -cf /etc/dhcp/dhclient6.conf -pf /run/dhclient6.eth0.pid -6 -P eth0' inside the interface, but with that line, the interface fails always. |
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| 19:40.12 | valdyn | CygniX: why dont you ask the provider? |
| 19:40.25 | FreezingDroid | I can't figure out what's wrong with my Xorg setup |
| 19:40.29 | FreezingDroid | The live USB works |
| 19:40.38 | FreezingDroid | my install does not work with framebuffer |
| 19:40.45 | FreezingDroid | it just goes black |
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| 19:41.05 | FreezingDroid | I install xserver-xorg-video-fbdev and xserver-xorg-video-vesa |
| 19:41.09 | jhutchins | FreezingDroid: So you need to start figuring out what's different between live and installed. |
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| 19:41.27 | FreezingDroid | jhutchins: yea, haven't been able to figure that out yet. I copied vga=788 with no luck either |
| 19:41.37 | CygniX | valdyn: I am awaiting response, however, it seems that the configuration works well with Wheezy. |
| 19:42.01 | valdyn | CygniX: systemd changes some things, maybe that hack too |
| 19:42.36 | valdyn | CygniX: do they support jessie? if they do they will provide a new hack i suppose. |
| 19:42.40 | FreezingDroid | jhutchins: also a big issue is that I can't properly debug it with a blank screen =\ |
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| 19:46.29 | valdyn | judd: versions dibbler |
| 19:46.30 | judd | No package named 'dibbler' was found in amd64. |
| 19:46.33 | CygniX | restarting networking interface is rather pecular with debian |
| 19:46.33 | valdyn | judd: versions dibbler-client |
| 19:46.33 | judd | Package: dibbler-client on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.7.3-1.3; wheezy: 0.8.2-1; stretch: 0.8.2-1; jessie: 0.8.2-1; sid: 1.0.0~rc1-1 |
| 19:46.35 | riffo | Is it possible to install Debian without systemd in the first place nowadays??? |
| 19:46.52 | valdyn | CygniX: or maybe use dibbler? |
| 19:46.55 | FreezingDroid | systemd really isn't that bad |
| 19:46.57 | FreezingDroid | I like it |
| 19:47.22 | valdyn | riffo: install - probably not, you would have to replace systemd with sysvinit after installing |
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| 19:47.28 | CygniX | valdyn: similar issue |
| 19:47.43 | FreezingDroid | Okay, so I got ssh enabled and my device's screen is black |
| 19:47.47 | valdyn | CygniX: i see |
| 19:47.54 | FreezingDroid | Xorg's logs don't even seem to have been updated |
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| 19:48.10 | riffo | valdyn, FreezingDroid: it's fine when people like it. But I wouldn't have expected of Debian to enforce such unstable new software on people... |
| 19:48.19 | FreezingDroid | ..unstable? |
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| 19:48.26 | valdyn | riffo: i think you have no idea what you are talking about |
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| 19:48.36 | FreezingDroid | cause rc.d never failed amirite? |
| 19:48.39 | riffo | FreezingDroid: Yes, and the main developer has a history programming fails... |
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| 19:48.51 | CygniX | valdyn: so, I get 'Configuring network interfaces...RTNETLINK answers: File exists' if ' pre-up ip addr flush dev eth0' is omitted from the interface, however if included, I get 'no link-local IPv6 address for eth0' |
| 19:49.02 | FreezingDroid | riffo: god forbid he improve his skills! |
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| 19:49.32 | valdyn | CygniX: im sorry, i cant really help you. Debians networking is a mess there in my opinion. Im not getting along with it either. |
| 19:49.36 | CygniX | the issue is related to the networking script and how it's started |
| 19:49.48 | CygniX | valdyn: :) |
| 19:49.52 | valdyn | CygniX: (of course i get my systems to run, but its messy ) |
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| 19:50.54 | riffo | FreezingDroid: I wouldn't vote for systemd's main dev to be hanged for his bad programming skills. Not to enforce his software on people would be good for starters... |
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| 19:51.12 | valdyn | riffo: as popular as your opinion at systemd and lennart poettering may be. The fact remains that debian switched to systemd as one of the *last* distros. Not pioneering unstable stuff. |
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| 19:52.04 | valdyn | riffo: of course all those other distros and their developers are more stupid then you and just dont know how to build systems. |
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| 19:52.35 | riffo | valdyn: I don't see the difference of Debian being the last distro that changed to it and Debian doing at a couple of months earlier. The status quo remains unchanged and there are being made a lot non-argument arguments |
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| 19:52.57 | riffo | valdyn: looks like |
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| 20:06.30 | cyph3x | disconnect |
| 20:06.32 | cyph3x | shit |
| 20:07.44 | knivsta | Why would Files take a lot of time to open? |
| 20:07.48 | knivsta | everyday? |
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| 20:09.03 | greycat | What is "Files"? A directory? What do you mean by "open"? Some sort of GUI program that displays images representing the files in the directory? |
| 20:09.23 | TickyTack | yeah what a really vague question xD |
| 20:09.31 | greycat | If all of that's true, how many files are in it? Is it on a local SATA hard disk? A USB device? A network-mounted file system? |
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| 20:40.37 | jhutchins | knivsta: What did you try to do? How did you try to do it? What did you expect to happen? What happened instead? |
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| 20:50.07 | n-st | greycat: "Files" in the new name for the nautilus file manager after gnome's annoying rename spree |
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| 20:50.28 | greycat | jesus christ, it's worse than microsoft.... "word" "office" "thing" |
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| 20:51.04 | greycat | wonders how many years it'll be before we see products whose name is the empty string. You won't even be able to refer to it! |
| 20:51.10 | shloub | lol |
| 20:51.39 | n-st | also: "Videos" = totem |
| 20:51.56 | jhutchins | We already get "What application are you using?" "Debian." |
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| 20:52.17 | greycat | Yeah, I have seen a lot of really vague questions like that, this year. |
| 20:52.22 | n-st | and they removed a huge chunk of features from nautilus too |
| 20:52.34 | centrx | Gnome is a scourge |
| 20:52.40 | n-st | persistent status bar? nope, who could possibly need that! |
| 20:52.50 | greycat | continues not using it |
| 20:53.04 | n-st | file modification times? nope, dates are accurate enough! |
| 20:53.49 | n-st | still, i haven't seen any "good" linux file managers so far |
| 20:54.02 | rainfyre | greycat: what's your preference these days? |
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| 20:54.10 | n-st | nautilus has been shrunken into oblivion (and crashes for folders with more than 1000 files) |
| 20:54.19 | rainfyre | thunar? |
| 20:54.19 | greycat | I haven't switched away from fvwm since I started using it, like, 20 years ago. |
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| 20:54.33 | n-st | dolphin uses a few hundred MiB of kde junk and has a launch time to match |
| 20:54.44 | rainfyre | wow. never played with it. xfce4 and i3 here |
| 20:55.56 | n-st | "The main goal of the Thunar project is to create a file manager that is fast, clean, and easy to use.[2][3] It is designed to start up faster and be more responsive than some other Linux file managers, such as Nautilus and Konqueror." that doesn't sound too bad, actually
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| 20:57.47 | jhutchins | n-st: mc |
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| 21:01.30 | rainfyre | n-st: i've been using thunar for years without ever really noticing how flawlessly it does everything. |
| 21:01.38 | charlytavu | Hello ! I was wondering if there was a way to modify an already made live USB without having to recreate an iso ? I want to add a custom script at startup of the live USB. Thanks in advance for the help :) |
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| 21:06.23 | jhutchins | charlytavu: Nope. Extract files to temp tree, modify, remaster, rewrite. |
| 21:06.40 | jhutchins | charlytavu: There's a wrapper called isomaster that makes it pretty easy. |
| 21:06.52 | jhutchins | ,info isomaster |
| 21:06.53 | judd | Package isomaster (otherosfs, optional) in jessie/amd64: Graphical CD image editor. Version: 1.3.9-2; Size: 169.2k; Installed: 1135k; Homepage: http://www.littlesvr.ca/isomaster/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/isomaster |
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| 21:08.42 | charlytavu | thanks for the info jhutchins, gonna take a look at this ! :) |
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| 21:10.19 | fred1807 | can I remove udev-mtab init from a read only system without problems? |
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| 21:13.31 | jhutchins | fred1807: No, you can't remove things if the system is read only. |
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| 21:14.12 | fred1807 | can I trow udev-mtab in the garbage ? |
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| 21:18.04 | n-st | rainfyre: thunar doesn't seem to support file previews, though |
| 21:18.31 | rainfyre | hm |
| 21:18.43 | Grimsley | greycat, any particular reason you stuck to fvwm all these years? |
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| 21:19.20 | greycat | It works. I never wanted anything more than what it's doing. |
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| 21:20.44 | acz32 | openbsd ships fvwm by default i noticed |
| 21:22.18 | Grimsley | precursor to open/blackbox or did they come out around the same time frame? |
| 21:23.13 | jhutchins | n-st: That kind of function is going to be much easier in an integrated suite like gnome or kde. |
| 21:23.33 | jhutchins | n-st: It'll have the awareness of the api of whatever application handles those files. |
| 21:24.03 | acz32 | Grimsley: fvwm is older than blackbox |
| 21:24.51 | Grimsley | ahh. thanks acz32 |
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| 21:25.53 | rainfyre | n-st: never knew I was missing something :) |
| 21:26.44 | n-st | rainfyre: i really wouldn't want to have any file manager without previews nowadays ;) |
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| 21:27.00 | acz32 | then use dolphin |
| 21:27.10 | acz32 | thunar is a great file manager though |
| 21:27.11 | n-st | nautilus even goes so far as starting to play videos in a popup when you select them and press spacebar |
| 21:27.13 | Grimsley | there should be a thumbnailer option within thunar that give some sort of preview |
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| 21:27.43 | n-st | acz32: dolphin takes even longer to start than nautilus |
| 21:27.51 | Grimsley | it can be someone of a PITB at times though |
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| 21:28.01 | Grimsley | *somewhat of a |
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| 21:28.02 | n-st | and it pulls half a kde environment just to run |
| 21:28.06 | acz32 | n-st: i always have a dolphin window open so startup times don't matter to me |
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| 21:28.55 | acz32 | i like that it can do split panes. i think gnome's fm doesn't do that still |
| 21:29.04 | n-st | i discovered 'nemo' a few minutes ago (linux mint's fork of nautilus), which seems to be a tiny bit less awful than nautilus |
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| 21:29.52 | n-st | had to write a wrapper script for it to prevent it from opening a fullscreen movable window with a desktop on my i3
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| 21:31.16 | Grimsley | what about caja or the mate based file manager |
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| 21:31.55 | acz32 | that's basically nautilus |
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| 21:35.20 | Grimsley | would have expected it to be a bit leaner, oh well. |
| 21:35.59 | acz32 | it might be but leaner is the wrong direction if he's complaining about the lack of a feature |
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| 21:40.22 | Grimsley | I suppose if you're looking for everything under the sun in a file manager, yeah it's not for you |
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| 21:41.08 | fred1807 | : Is it ok to Inserv -R udev-mtab ? I am going read only, and I will clone this system image to other machines, so eth0 names cannot persist |
| 21:41.32 | fred1807 | wonder if something else could break, other than persistent eth names |
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| 21:43.26 | bmomjian | I am on Squeeze LTS and an update 12 hours ago is causing a huge load average on my server, perhaps related to an Apache/kernel interaction. Is this a known problem? |
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| 21:46.46 | jhutchins | bmomjian: Not specifically. |
| 21:47.15 | bmomjian | oh |
| 21:47.36 | bmomjian | Here is from dmesg: http://momjian.us/tmp/kernel.txt |
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| 21:49.33 | StanleyGoodman | guys, I killed my connection to my samba server. I did an unrelated change in fstab and a change to localhost connections in iptables, and now I just get "mount error(115): Operation now in progress" |
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| 21:50.36 | StanleyGoodman | maybe if I mount the server in fstab that will fix my issue... |
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| 21:52.05 | StanleyGoodman | also, how do I get audio through a schroot? currently I mount -bind .X11-Unix and .Xauthority, then use DISPLAY :0 |
| 21:52.11 | StanleyGoodman | for the display |
| 21:53.10 | otila | I run sid in qemu, mouse cursor is invisible, but works otherwise. I have tried all the tricks found from google search about invisible mouse cursor. |
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| 22:01.46 | bmomjian | where do I report this problem? |
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| 22:02.12 | sshock | does Debian not have a package for libiconv ? |
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| 22:04.38 | shingouz | sshock: apt-cache search libiconv spits out some hits, maybe one of those? |
| 22:04.55 | sshock | hmm, nope none of those provide libiconv.so.2 |
| 22:05.07 | sshock | I think I have to compile it from source, but I don't understand why it's not part of Debian |
| 22:05.44 | sshock | hmm, it looks like the iconv program is provided by libc |
| 22:05.54 | sshock | but that doesn't help me get libiconv.so.2 |
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| 22:08.33 | sshock | oh well; I'll just compile from source, but I'm surprised no packages in the debian universe depend on libiconv |
| 22:08.33 | shawniverson | sshock: have any generic libiconv.so on system? |
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| 22:08.45 | sshock | shawniverson: nope |
| 22:09.00 | sshock | it's ok; I can compile from source, but now I'm just curious why it's not needed by anyone |
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| 22:09.40 | sshock | I'm probably misunderstanding something |
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| 22:10.58 | otila | I did %s/testing/jessie/ for sources.list but apt-get update/upgrade/dist-upgrade does not upgrade anything |
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| 22:13.36 | StanleyGoodman | theory question here..... why does my internet slow down when using a multi hop VPN chain? I can understand why ping time increases, but why is bandwidth affected? |
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| 22:14.43 | StanleyGoodman | I'm using a double hop openvpn chain, MTU set on both hops to 1500... could that be the primary thing to look at? |
| 22:15.11 | bmomjian | I have reported the bug |
| 22:15.50 | otila | StanleyGoodman: how much bw decreases? |
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| 22:18.51 | sshock | I think I know what I'm missing with libiconv |
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| 22:19.39 | otila | maybe easier to just reinstall 8.1.0 |
| 22:19.47 | sshock | iconv functionality is actually inside libc |
| 22:20.13 | sshock | so a normal program that is built today on Debian simply won't have a dependency on libiconv.so.2 |
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| 22:35.05 | justcar | hi, crunchbang convert here -- just now getting into debian. Crunchbang had a feature I've grown accustomed to. Wondering if I could get it back on Debian+XFCE+gnome. I normally use the 'windows key + arrows' to resize a window |
| 22:35.17 | justcar | or some combination therein to 'snap' to the left, right, or full |
| 22:35.27 | justcar | anyone have something like this? |
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| 22:36.39 | mtn | justcar: gnome does that by default. have you tried it in gnome? |
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| 22:37.22 | justcar | mtn: yes but Im greatly confused between xfce and gnome... are they both window managers? if so, I think I am in xfce |
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| 22:37.30 | justcar | (sorry relatively new to linux) |
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| 22:37.54 | justcar | yes.. = yes I have tried, and no it didn't work for me |
| 22:37.55 | mtn | justcar: they are both desktop environments and are not the same |
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| 22:38.20 | justcar | mtn: ok so Im probably in xfce then, and not in gnome. Let me switch and see if I can get gnome to work for me |
| 22:38.38 | mtn | justcar: ok. I don't know xfce very well |
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| 22:46.09 | nezZario | does anyone know if netselect-apt actually tests bandwidth, or just ping ? |
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| 22:49.27 | jhutchins | nezZario: Checks response from the webserver. |
| 22:49.35 | jhutchins | nezZario: Not bandwidth. |
| 22:49.58 | nezZario | thanks.. also just another really dumb question. how can I tell which version of guake is in testing ? |
| 22:50.08 | jhutchins | ,v quake |
| 22:50.09 | judd | Package: quake on amd64 -- wheezy/contrib: 2; jessie/contrib: 8; sid/contrib: 13; stretch/contrib: 13 |
| 22:50.22 | nezZario | ,v guake |
| 22:50.23 | judd | Package: guake on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.4.2-3; wheezy: 0.4.3-3; jessie: 0.4.4-1; sid: 0.7.2-1 |
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| 22:50.41 | nezZario | ah ok, that's a big version jump, no wonder i'm missing so much stuff on this pc |
| 22:51.05 | nezZario | well wait sid is unstable, not testing ? |
| 22:51.27 | rainfyre | yes |
| 22:51.48 | nezZario | so am I going to get 0.4.4-1 or 0.7.2-1 ? |
| 22:52.09 | rainfyre | depends on where your sources.list points |
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| 22:52.13 | at0m|c | sid is always unstable |
| 22:52.15 | nezZario | "testing" specifically |
| 22:52.30 | nezZario | i was on jessie but i just pointed it to testing |
| 22:53.22 | nezZario | i've been having problems with audio and other issues that I didn't have with my previous install (testing) so I think I'll just stick with it for now |
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| 22:55.13 | at0m|c | nezZario: can always get a backport for quake if you need that version |
| 22:55.31 | nezZario | well hoping this will get my audio back right as well.. |
| 22:55.45 | nezZario | it's not .. not working .. but just a bunch of weird bugs I didn't experience before |
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| 22:57.44 | hydhyd | anyone had experience with OVH Debian installs? would that be usual for OVH to be slow as fuck? |
| 22:57.55 | kcaj | hydhyd: via Kimsufi I have |
| 22:58.10 | kcaj | It wasn't noticeably slow. |
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| 22:58.15 | hydhyd | kcaj: I know it has zero to do with Debian, still. |
| 22:58.42 | hydhyd | it seems like I'm limited to 1mb/s with a 30eur/m plan |
| 22:59.01 | kcaj | 30eur is SYS right? |
| 22:59.03 | hydhyd | and I'm running Debian if that matters at all |
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| 22:59.11 | hydhyd | it's OpenVZ |
| 22:59.28 | hydhyd | 8RAM/100GB HDD |
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| 23:00.28 | hydhyd | I don't particularly like OVH. they also promised to remove the VAT since I'm not in the EU |
| 23:00.30 | hydhyd | never did |
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| 23:01.32 | hydhyd | would anyone recommend a better european based VPS? |
| 23:01.58 | hydhyd | a 2GB RAM/60GB HDD would do plenty |
| 23:02.16 | hydhyd | cheaper than 30 euros/month |
| 23:02.57 | kcaj | hydhyd: are you directly with OVH? |
| 23:03.33 | hydhyd | kcaj, I'm not sure what you mean, but I did sign up with ovh.ie |
| 23:03.42 | shay_shay | hydhyd: my installs always took ~5minutes |
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| 23:03.46 | shay_shay | on ovh |
| 23:03.55 | kcaj | hydhyd: Try Vultr or Linode |
| 23:04.07 | sheap | is it possible to have sssd_1.12.5 in jessie backports? |
| 23:04.12 | hydhyd | I went for OVH because of their unlimited traffic |
| 23:04.33 | hydhyd | then I ended up not using more than 0.5TB a month at all |
| 23:04.51 | hydhyd | but boy are they slow |
| 23:05.03 | StanleyGoodman | does ovh take bitcoins? |
| 23:05.10 | hydhyd | absolutely not |
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| 23:05.26 | hydhyd | in fact, they had to have a picture of my passport |
| 23:05.27 | somiaj | sheap: jessie-backports are made from packages in stretch, so first for it to be possible the packge needs to be in stretch, then the matainer needs to actually make the backport which doesn't always happen. You may want to /msg dpkg ssb for instructions on how to make your own. |
| 23:05.42 | hydhyd | a picture of my atm slip |
| 23:05.52 | hydhyd | and the blood of my unborn |
| 23:06.01 | StanleyGoodman | ............................. that's some pretty pleb tier VPS hosting |
| 23:06.29 | R4v3n | Hi, im having some issues related with apache and html files, it seems that my html content is shown as plain text. instead of presented as expected not really sure why, i did check if the mime module is loaded into the apache webserver and it is but content is still shown as plain-text :/ |
| 23:06.31 | StanleyGoodman | i use OVH through a third party that enables me to pay with bitcoin, but I pay more and they cheat me on bandwidth I think |
| 23:06.41 | hydhyd | they also requested an official letter from my bank that authorized the transaction for the first month |
| 23:07.20 | hydhyd | I would've thrown the middle finger, but I did comply |
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| 23:07.47 | hydhyd | since I thought I needed unlimited dl |
| 23:07.57 | hydhyd | that's not the case anymore |
| 23:08.58 | hydhyd | I need a reasonably fast and mature VPS providing Debian |
| 23:09.00 | R4v3n | anyone having a clue? |
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| 23:09.21 | hydhyd | I hardly need 50gb, so make it 40gb |
| 23:09.27 | hydhyd | and 4gb RAM |
| 23:09.33 | hydhyd | under 30 euroes |
| 23:09.38 | hydhyd | any takers? |
| 23:10.00 | hydhyd | SSD would be a plus |
| 23:10.39 | hydhyd | 1 core would not be an issue. |
| 23:11.14 | acz32 | what do you mean any takers? we are not vps providers |
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| 23:12.41 | StanleyGoodman | hey some people provide that shit here |
| 23:12.50 | StanleyGoodman | don't knock him for trying |
| 23:12.56 | acz32 | StanleyGoodman: doesn't matter. this isn't the place to seek it out |
| 23:13.11 | acz32 | this is debian support |
| 23:13.20 | hydhyd | basically, I need a 2GB RAM/40GB HDD/1GB Uplink/Debian machine |
| 23:13.22 | StanleyGoodman | acz32, if he asked in #debian-offtopic, he'd get blasted for asking a support question |
| 23:13.36 | acz32 | StanleyGoodman: no he wouldn't |
| 23:13.48 | hydhyd | all I'm running is xapian-omega/apache/hypermail |
| 23:13.52 | acz32 | wanting a debian vps is not a debian support question |
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| 23:14.00 | hydhyd | I realize that |
| 23:14.03 | StanleyGoodman | acz32, I get blasted there all the time for asking non-debian related questions |
| 23:14.20 | hydhyd | but running debian is a Debian question |
| 23:14.28 | hydhyd | I would like to move from OVH |
| 23:14.33 | hydhyd | any input? |
| 23:14.36 | StanleyGoodman | correct. it is debian related. |
| 23:14.55 | acz32 | StanleyGoodman: i doubt it. you were probably asking stupid questions if you were getting "blasted" in an offtopic channel where almost anything goes |
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| 23:15.58 | hydhyd | root@panda:~# grep -c processor /proc/cpuinfo |
| 23:15.58 | hydhyd | 4 |
| 23:15.58 | acz32 | repeating the question isn't going to get it answered. ask once and wait, and look elsewhere for a vps |
| 23:16.05 | hydhyd | I probably don't need that |
| 23:16.16 | hydhyd | 8GB of RAM was also a bit of an overshot |
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| 23:17.23 | hydhyd | acz32: I got disconnected, so I wasn't exactly sure as to whether the question was actually asked. I'm in the http IRC client hell of IRC. |
| 23:17.29 | StanleyGoodman | "swinging began among American Air Force pilots and their wives during World War II before pilots left for overseas duty. The mortality rate of pilots was so high, as Gould reports, that a close bond arose between pilot families that implied that pilot husbands would care for all the wives as their own â emotionally and sexually â if the husbands were lost." |
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| 23:18.29 | hydhyd | okay, my wife's 45 today |
| 23:18.40 | hydhyd | and I did hide a bottle of Chivas somewhere round my place |
| 23:19.14 | hydhyd | "today" is a lousy definition of "today" since it's been 2hrs |
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| 23:19.47 | hydhyd | okay, I definitely have a chivas somewhere round here |
| 23:19.49 | acz32 | !ops StanleyGoodman offtopic |
| 23:19.49 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: acz32 complains about: StanleyGoodman offtopic |
| 23:20.02 | hydhyd | to keep on topic, how would debian help me with that. discuss. |
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| 23:20.47 | somiaj | StanleyGoodman: yes please stay on topic here, note we spereate support (this channel) to off-topic rambling (#debian-offtopic). Try to focus on support here. |
| 23:21.46 | StanleyGoodman | i think that using debian, you could likely find websites online that could enable wife swapping - but first, one would have to help me fix my connection to my samba server, so that I can access nude pictures of my wife to distribute, and secondly, one would have to help me resolve my shutdown issues where all I see is "_" for two minutes prior to poweroff |
| 23:22.16 | hydhyd | any nice VPS with a selection of European locations, besides OVH? |
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| 23:22.35 | hydhyd | that'd be my question |
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| 23:22.47 | at0m|c | hydhyd: not to annoy but how's that debian related :p |
| 23:22.55 | hydhyd | it pertains to Debian since that's what I'm going to be running |
| 23:23.18 | somiaj | hydhyd: not really on topic either, but not sure the best place to shop around to find good vps that meets your criteria. (: |
| 23:23.39 | hydhyd | somiaj: it obviously is. |
| 23:23.48 | hydhyd | a lot of Debian admins. |
| 23:23.52 | hydhyd | a lot of VPS users. |
| 23:23.53 | at0m|c | hydhyd: #debian-offtopic |
| 23:24.07 | hydhyd | okay than. |
| 23:26.26 | somiaj | hydhyd: you are asking about paid services and third party companies. I'm just saying that you have asked for advise on other vpses to use, I would just drop the question for now, it isn't a bad question but not really debian support. |
| 23:26.58 | somiaj | i.e. don't try to compare/contrast the options. Ask for advise, move back to debian support questions (: |
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| 23:28.11 | hydhyd | somiaj: you're the man. I absolutely gotcha. I moved into #debian-whatever |
| 23:28.25 | hydhyd | thanks for not being a hard-ass |
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| 23:33.42 | FuZi0N | i was running an installer script and my ssh session timed out but the script is still running, how can i restore my sceen to resume the interactive installer? |
| 23:34.16 | at0m|c | FuZi0N: script in screen? screen -rd |
| 23:34.16 | R4v3n | FuZi0N: screen -ls ? |
| 23:34.21 | somiaj | FuZi0N: not easily unless you were running the installer in 'screen' or 'tmux' |
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| 23:34.43 | somiaj | I'm assuming y ou were not using screen or tmux to run things in, and in that case it is very hard to reassign the process to your current psty |
| 23:34.46 | somiaj | pty |
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| 23:36.08 | R4v3n | *sighs* currently having a hard time figuring out how to solve .htaccess issue, i get this in my apache error log /var/www/.htaccess: Options not allowed here |
| 23:36.12 | FuZi0N | screen -ls didnt work |
| 23:36.25 | FuZi0N | No Sockets found in /var/run/screen/S-root |
| 23:36.26 | R4v3n | apperantly some of my vhosts sites give away error 500 :/ damn |
| 23:36.49 | FuZi0N | and screen -rd didnt work either |
| 23:36.55 | FuZi0N | There is no screen to be detatched |
| 23:37.09 | at0m|c | no -rd when there's no screen |
| 23:37.12 | R4v3n | FuZi0N: are you sure that the script is still running then? Despite the fact that your ssh tunnel was disconnected? |
| 23:37.27 | FuZi0N | yes |
| 23:37.51 | FuZi0N | it usually asks me a few yes/no questions |
| 23:37.59 | FuZi0N | and it requires user input |
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| 23:38.08 | FuZi0N | but my session timed out before then |
| 23:38.19 | FuZi0N | so now what do i do lol? |
| 23:38.24 | bazhang | is this ubuntu FuZi0N |
| 23:38.40 | somiaj | R4v3n: I would maybe try #apache or #httpd or whatever server you are using for better support ont he .htaccess files. But not all options are allowed in .htaccess files and the server has to be configured to use them. |
| 23:38.40 | FuZi0N | nope |
| 23:38.41 | FuZi0N | debian |
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| 23:38.45 | FuZi0N | wheezy |
| 23:38.56 | bazhang | then dont cross post in #ubuntu FuZi0N |
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| 23:39.16 | R4v3n | somiaj: do you want me to paste contents of my /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/default in - pastebin/hastebin? |
| 23:39.17 | FuZi0N | ok |
| 23:39.18 | FuZi0N | sorry |
| 23:39.27 | FuZi0N | any ideas? |
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| 23:39.49 | somiaj | R4v3n: no I don't think I'm familar enough with the config files to be of much more help. I was trying to point you to a place that you may get better help with, i.e. ask the #apache channel. |
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| 23:39.56 | R4v3n | somiaj: i think this issue occured when i did an upgrade recently from wheezy to jessie |
| 23:40.08 | TJ- | R4v3n: See http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/core.html#allowoverride |
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| 23:40.27 | R4v3n | TJ-: it's apache version 2.4.10 to be more precise :) |
| 23:40.30 | somiaj | R4v3n: I just know that you need to 1) configure apache to allow .htaccess files (I think this id efault on debian installs) and then realize you can only do certain things in .htaccess file and sounds like the error says you are trying to configure something you can't. |
| 23:40.39 | FuZi0N | any way of fetching it? |
| 23:41.07 | somiaj | R4v3n: in this case you may want to read the release notes. There are some issues with the transition from the apache in wheezy to the apache in jessie, of which the release notes as some pointers and some webpages that explain what things you may have to change. |
| 23:41.07 | TJ- | R4v3n: No great difference. |
| 23:41.22 | R4v3n | somiaj: yeh you are probably right, im guessing that some of the configuration directives has changed between the versions of apache. |
| 23:42.16 | FuZi0N | i ran the script using "bash <script_name> |
| 23:42.17 | somiaj | R4v3n: this is documented in the jessie release notes including info on what to do and things to check for to make the config changes to the new apache in jessie. |
| 23:42.24 | FuZi0N | i ran the script using "bash <script_name>" |
| 23:43.02 | somiaj | FuZi0N: yea it is hard to assoicate a script with a new pty, there may be very tricky ways to do it. |
| 23:43.10 | somiaj | FuZi0N: lets take a step back, what is this script supose to do? |
| 23:43.20 | R4v3n | somiaj: perfect, i will also check TJ's link to try figure it out |
| 23:44.04 | FuZi0N | install various applications and system tweaks |
| 23:44.39 | somiaj | FuZi0N: how far did the script get before it went idel, was it actually downloading and installing thigs or still just asking you questions (i.e. I'm thinking you should probabaly just kill the script, restart and this time run it inside of screen) |
| 23:45.17 | FuZi0N | not sure because i beleive its still running |
| 23:45.19 | FuZi0N | buts its ok |
| 23:45.22 | FuZi0N | i deleted the vm |
| 23:45.25 | FuZi0N | starting fresh now |
| 23:45.32 | TJ- | FuZi0N: does the script create a log file as it goes? |
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| 23:46.00 | FuZi0N | not until the end |
| 23:46.03 | FuZi0N | but its ok |
| 23:46.08 | FuZi0N | thanks for your help guys |
| 23:46.15 | FuZi0N | but im just gonna start fresh |
| 23:47.32 | somiaj | FuZi0N: it probabaly got to the 'next question' it was going to ask you and is just waiting for user input. Depending on what the script does you can probabaly just rerun it |
| 23:47.49 | somiaj | FuZi0N: but in the future run things inside of 'screen' or 'tmux', this way if you time out you can easily recover what you were doing. |
| 23:48.04 | FuZi0N | will do |
| 23:48.07 | FuZi0N | thanks for the tip :) |
| 23:48.27 | FuZi0N | which one is better and which do you prefer and why? |
| 23:49.10 | somiaj | FuZi0N: I use gnu screen as it is the one I was first introduced to and am and old fuddy duddy |
| 23:49.25 | somiaj | FuZi0N: I personally don't use enough of either of their features (they are both really powerful tools) to know the difference |
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| 23:49.35 | FuZi0N | ah ok |
| 23:49.37 | FuZi0N | thanks :) |
| 23:49.51 | somiaj | for simple use they are probabaly the same (except for commands, keybindings). If you wanted to say tile, split or do fancy stuff with the screen, I think many people like the more modern tmux for that. |
| 23:51.16 | FuZi0N | ah |
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| 23:51.58 | Linux_debian_mod | hi all |
| 23:52.01 | grinchier | hello all |
| 23:52.10 | Linux_debian_mod | hola a todos |
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