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| 00:04.49 | RoyK | hihi |
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| 00:29.02 | A1BaTrOs | hey hi |
| 00:29.39 | Feidry | Any help with this: http://redd.it/3ago6f would be greatly appreciated. |
| 00:29.43 | A1BaTrOs | any chaneg i get some help setting up lamp on debian jessie? |
| 00:29.53 | A1BaTrOs | chance |
| 00:29.55 | jimcornette | kde5 ? I can not seem to find it in any repo even experamential,. and what is even more Odd is I do this. sudo apt-get install -t experimental sddm and it can not find it but tehn I see this.. https://ftp-master.debian.org/new/sddm_0.11.0-1.html |
| 00:30.20 | jimcornette | A1BaTrOs, you know how to use taskel |
| 00:30.30 | A1BaTrOs | no clue |
| 00:30.37 | jimcornette | tasksel * |
| 00:30.40 | A1BaTrOs | i just used a tutorial |
| 00:30.41 | A1BaTrOs | https://wiki.debian.org/LaMp#Test_PHP |
| 00:30.54 | A1BaTrOs | and neither the test page or phpmy works |
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| 00:31.25 | jimcornette | ahh what mods are install with apache ? |
| 00:32.09 | A1BaTrOs | first was apache2 |
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| 00:32.18 | A1BaTrOs | then mysql-server and mysql-client |
| 00:32.22 | jimcornette | A1BaTrOs, no the mods |
| 00:32.38 | A1BaTrOs | no ideea |
| 00:32.46 | jimcornette | ls /etc/apache2/mods-enabled |
| 00:32.58 | A1BaTrOs | either i have skipped something in that tutorial or something went wrong |
| 00:33.08 | jimcornette | A1BaTrOs, you can use tasksel to insgtall lamp |
| 00:33.11 | jimcornette | tasksel --list-tasks |
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| 00:33.19 | jimcornette | this will show you what you can do |
| 00:33.20 | A1BaTrOs | sooo mods |
| 00:33.40 | jimcornette | A1BaTrOs, see https://wiki.debian.org/tasksel |
| 00:33.43 | A1BaTrOs | access_compat.load authn_file.load autoindex.load dnssd.conf mime.load php5.conf status.load |
| 00:33.43 | A1BaTrOs | alias.conf authz_core.load deflate.conf dnssd.load mpm_prefork.conf php5.load |
| 00:33.43 | A1BaTrOs | alias.load authz_host.load deflate.load env.load mpm_prefork.load setenvif.conf |
| 00:33.43 | A1BaTrOs | auth_basic.load authz_user.load dir.conf filter.load negotiation.conf setenvif.load |
| 00:33.43 | A1BaTrOs | authn_core.load autoindex.conf dir.load mime.conf negotiation.load status.conf |
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| 00:33.55 | jimcornette | lol |
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| 00:34.30 | A1BaTrOs | http://paste.debian.net/242811/ |
| 00:34.33 | jimcornette | A1BaTrOs, paste.debian.net is nice |
| 00:34.35 | jimcornette | thansk |
| 00:34.47 | A1BaTrOs | yeah sorry i forgot |
| 00:35.14 | jimcornette | dpkg -l libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 00:35.15 | dpkg | No packages found matching libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 00:35.36 | A1BaTrOs | so basicly what i need |
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| 00:35.45 | A1BaTrOs | is the web interface that manages the databases |
| 00:36.01 | A1BaTrOs | to make it easyer for me and my m8 |
| 00:36.09 | jimcornette | A1BaTrOs, what is the output of apt-cache policy libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 00:36.35 | jimcornette | A1BaTrOs, I always just use tasksel |
| 00:36.56 | A1BaTrOs | http://paste.debian.net/242812/ |
| 00:37.14 | A1BaTrOs | i can use which ever option you have |
| 00:37.15 | saptech | jimcornette, maybe this can get you started with plasma5 |
| 00:37.20 | saptech | http://media-opensource.blogspot.com/2015/01/kde-plasma-520-is-out-you-can-install.html |
| 00:37.28 | labelle | Hello, I am having trouble creating a usb disk with the Debian 8.10 Cinammon Live image. Seems nobody reports any problems, but cp and sync doesn't work, dd with bs=4M and syn doesn't work, and xorriso doesn't support that iso. Could anybody help me? |
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| 00:37.37 | A1BaTrOs | i just need the web interface and the functions for mysql so i can transfer some flat file batabases to mysql |
| 00:37.39 | jimcornette | what about your /var/apache2/site-avaiable/000-default |
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| 00:38.16 | A1BaTrOs | that's supposed to be the default php page? |
| 00:38.22 | jimcornette | A1BaTrOs, you are atleast getting back the default it works right |
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| 00:38.43 | A1BaTrOs | well when i type the ip of the server default page appears |
| 00:38.47 | jimcornette | A1BaTrOs, no that is where you set your dirs and what not and VirtualHost files ect |
| 00:38.49 | A1BaTrOs | but the one for info.php doesn;t |
| 00:39.05 | jimcornette | where did you put the info.php file ? |
| 00:39.26 | A1BaTrOs | var/www/info.php |
| 00:40.27 | jimcornette | A1BaTrOs, pastebin /etc/apache2/sites-available/000-default |
| 00:40.39 | jimcornette | A1BaTrOs, spelling could be wrong there |
| 00:41.01 | jimcornette | thanks saptech |
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| 00:41.59 | jimcornette | labelle, what is the DD command that you are using ? |
| 00:42.21 | saptech | yw |
| 00:42.29 | labelle | I use dd if=debian-live-8.10-Cinammon.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=4M; sync |
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| 00:42.38 | A1BaTrOs | <VirtualHost *:80> |
| 00:42.38 | A1BaTrOs | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:42.38 | A1BaTrOs | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:42.42 | labelle | (I am sure sdb is the correct drive I want to write the image on) |
| 00:42.52 | twiggz | that should work fine. |
| 00:42.54 | jimcornette | labelle, yeah that looks good |
| 00:43.05 | labelle | yup, but doesn't work, doesn't make a bootable drive |
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| 00:43.10 | jimcornette | turn the bs down ? I have no clue |
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| 00:43.31 | labelle | jimcornette: when I don't set bs, it doesn't work also |
| 00:43.33 | jimcornette | I doubt that that is it but yeah. your dd should work |
| 00:43.47 | twiggz | try zeroing the stick out first |
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| 00:43.51 | jimcornette | no like dd bs=2M |
| 00:43.54 | A1BaTrOs | http://paste.debian.net/242815 |
| 00:43.58 | jimcornette | twiggz, good point |
| 00:44.09 | twiggz | i always dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb |
| 00:44.24 | jimcornette | A1BaTrOs, you have to set the correct dir for apoache |
| 00:44.37 | jimcornette | A1BaTrOs, change DocumentRoot /var/www/html to DocumentRoot /var/www |
| 00:44.43 | jimcornette | Line 12 |
| 00:44.56 | jimcornette | then restart apache |
| 00:44.58 | labelle | twiggz: that's "zeroing the stick out"? |
| 00:44.59 | A1BaTrOs | ok got it |
| 00:45.08 | twiggz | yeah |
| 00:45.15 | labelle | It's good to know, good point. |
| 00:45.21 | A1BaTrOs | ok sorry but what was the command to restart apache2 ? |
| 00:45.29 | labelle | Then, I'll dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb |
| 00:45.44 | labelle | then I'll dd if=debian.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=2m; syn |
| 00:45.52 | jimcornette | A1BaTrOs, sudo service apache2 restart |
| 00:45.53 | labelle | sync*, Is that correct? |
| 00:46.06 | A1BaTrOs | thanks |
| 00:46.07 | A1BaTrOs | :D |
| 00:46.10 | jimcornette | then m should be M |
| 00:46.15 | jimcornette | labelle, ^^ |
| 00:46.24 | jimcornette | bs=2m bs=2M |
| 00:46.25 | cusco | why zero it first? |
| 00:46.29 | A1BaTrOs | so now the php should work? |
| 00:46.31 | labelle | oh, okay. Thank you so much! I am losing my mind already because of this issue haha. |
| 00:46.52 | jimcornette | A1BaTrOs, yeah it should as long as you point the browser to the right place |
| 00:47.00 | A1BaTrOs | ok good the info.php works now |
| 00:47.05 | jimcornette | :) |
| 00:47.08 | twiggz | Hes having problems with it. zeroing the drive may fix something. |
| 00:47.14 | RoyK | just don't dd into the wrong drive :P |
| 00:47.29 | A1BaTrOs | and what about mysql service? |
| 00:47.30 | twiggz | I dont know what....but its just how Ive always done it and I dont have problems ever |
| 00:47.50 | grinchier | what is the bs= for? |
| 00:47.58 | grinchier | oh i see |
| 00:48.02 | cusco | block size |
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| 00:48.37 | labelle | Well, it's weird because I can write archlinux, LMDE live, debian netinst, no problems, but the live image always gave me trouble, for quite some time, actually. |
| 00:48.50 | labelle | Never zeroed it, though. |
| 00:49.20 | labelle | the debian live images, I mean |
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| 00:49.31 | nezZario | How do I allow a user to only do port fowarding, and not run any commands, or even particularly get a login shell? |
| 00:49.48 | A1BaTrOs | ok jimcornette all works fine now, thanks a million |
| 00:49.56 | A1BaTrOs | c'ya |
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| 00:50.39 | nezZario | nevermind, found it |
| 00:50.51 | nezZario | i thought it was in sshd_config.. it's authorized_keys |
| 00:51.15 | twiggz | My head is POUNDING |
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| 00:52.44 | labelle | Oh, should I format the thumbdrive first to prepare it for the image? Sorry about your head, twiggz |
| 00:53.09 | twiggz | sure |
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| 00:53.45 | grinchier | http://faqbay.com/faq/how-burn-debian-iso-image-usb-stick |
| 00:54.30 | labelle | In which format? |
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| 00:57.00 | labelle | (zeroing taking quite some time) |
| 00:57.49 | labelle | FAT32? ext4? |
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| 01:18.11 | labelle | so I need to format the whole thumdrive in FAT32, then dd to zero it, then dd to write the image? |
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| 01:23.58 | somiaj | labelle: you just need to copy the image, no need to formt or do anything like that |
| 01:24.08 | grinchier | labelle: did you try to just write the image first? |
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| 01:24.17 | grinchier | i wouldn't zero it unless it wasn't working |
| 01:24.19 | TJ- | labelle: "dd if=/dev/zero ..." first ... for flash devices having the sectors filled with zero (or for some, 255 (0xFF)) is a signal to the firmware in the flash controller that it can reallocate (wear-level) the internal 'erase' blocks. |
| 01:24.25 | somiaj | labelle: also cp is easier than dd. 'cp debian-image.iso /dev/sdX' where /dev/sdX is the device (not partition notice there is no 1) of your usb stick |
| 01:24.41 | grinchier | dd if=debian-6.0.6-i386-netinst.iso of=/dev/da0 bs=4M |
| 01:24.48 | grinchier | http://faqbay.com/faq/how-burn-debian-iso-image-usb-stick |
| 01:24.53 | somiaj | just use cp (: |
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| 01:25.02 | grinchier | just use brasero hehe |
| 01:25.09 | hu | hi guys |
| 01:25.10 | TJ- | labelle: After that, if you are starting from an ISO image simply write the image directly to the device (maybe using "dd if=/path/to/iso ...") is all that is required. |
| 01:25.13 | labelle | cp doesn't work, nor that method, grinchier |
| 01:25.13 | grinchier | can you use brasero for usb's? |
| 01:25.27 | labelle | brasero I don't know |
| 01:25.29 | grinchier | labelle: do you get an error message? |
| 01:25.29 | hu | how can i configure my touchpad? |
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| 01:25.46 | grinchier | labelle: use gparted |
| 01:25.47 | labelle | I was talking earlier about that... cp or dd never works with Debian Live Image |
| 01:25.54 | TJ- | labelle: Are you prefixing the "dd" command with "sudo " ? |
| 01:25.55 | grinchier | what do you mean never works |
| 01:26.02 | somiaj | labelle: it works. what is the e4xact command you are typing. What is the error you get |
| 01:26.07 | labelle | grinchier: yes, it usually says it's in a format not recognized |
| 01:26.14 | hu | could anybody give me a hand? |
| 01:26.22 | labelle | no error, just doesn't boot |
| 01:26.25 | grinchier | use gparted to format it then try |
| 01:26.28 | grinchier | delete the partition |
| 01:26.37 | labelle | I did, several times, doesn't work either |
| 01:26.41 | labelle | so I'm trying to zero it |
| 01:26.43 | labelle | then dd it |
| 01:27.00 | labelle | TJ-: yes, with sudo |
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| 01:27.22 | labelle | dd writes succesfully write the image |
| 01:27.26 | TJ- | labelle: Have you been writing the ISO to a partition (/dev/sdXY) on the device, or to the raw device itself (/dev/sdX) ? |
| 01:27.27 | labelle | but the usb stick doesn't boot |
| 01:27.41 | labelle | TJ-: /dev/sdb |
| 01:27.55 | grinchier | so you created a new partition table with gparted and it still doesn't work? |
| 01:28.29 | labelle | grinchier: now I formatted with gparted the whole drive to FAT32, then dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb |
| 01:28.36 | TJ- | labelle: OK ... is the PC using a UEFI or Legacy BIOS boot? That can make a difference depending on which firmwares the ISO supports |
| 01:28.43 | labelle | now I'm dd if=debian.iso of=dev/sdb ; sync |
| 01:28.58 | grinchier | what does sync do? |
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| 01:29.15 | TJ- | grinchier: flushes the kernel's cache to the underlying device |
| 01:29.31 | labelle | TJ-: well, I'm trying to boot it in VirtualBox, because I don't want to reboot everytime. It's a mac with rEFInd, so I guess UEFI |
| 01:29.41 | labelle | either way, it didn't work in any other computers |
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| 01:29.52 | labelle | (it's been some time I never could write debian live images) |
| 01:30.03 | grinchier | you mean it completed the copy, it just didn't boot |
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| 01:30.20 | labelle | the same method I use to write archlinux, lmde live, debian netinst, works and boots, but never debian live images |
| 01:30.36 | labelle | grinchier: yes, it copies, but doesn't boot |
| 01:30.41 | grinchier | what iso did you download? |
| 01:30.43 | TJ- | labelle: That does seem rather 'unusual' |
| 01:31.10 | labelle | TJ-: yes, because I've been researching a lot, and NOBODY has troubles, except for me |
| 01:31.30 | labelle | grinchier: iso is the debian live image 8.10 cinammon |
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| 01:31.41 | TJ- | labelle: Do you check the hashes (MD5/SHA) of the downloaded ISO images to ensure what you have locally is what was put on the server, to guard against corruption? |
| 01:31.50 | labelle | hm, no |
| 01:32.04 | grinchier | labelle: what happens when you try to boot it exactly? |
| 01:32.05 | labelle | how do I do that via tty? |
| 01:32.12 | TJ- | labelle: In this case it's worth doing to assure yourself - and us - the ISO you're working with is the one we *think* it is :) |
| 01:32.14 | labelle | grinchier: it doesn't boot. |
| 01:32.25 | grinchier | do you get a message on the screen somewhere? |
| 01:32.40 | labelle | TJ-: true... but the issue is the same in every other time I did it... well, I'll check it. How do I do that? |
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| 01:32.49 | labelle | grinchier: no, just a flashing underline |
| 01:33.02 | labelle | when it doesn't ignore, of course |
| 01:33.05 | TJ- | labelle: Go to the web-site and read the hash for the ISO you have, then use "md5sum filename.iso" or "sha1sum filename.iso" as appropriate |
| 01:33.25 | labelle | okay, TJ- , just gimme a second |
| 01:33.33 | labelle | I'll try the method below |
| 01:33.42 | labelle | if it doesn't work, I'll come back and procee |
| 01:33.43 | labelle | d |
| 01:33.59 | TJ- | labelle: when you try booting this in a VirtualBox do you boot from the ISO file, or from the USB device you wrote to? |
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| 01:34.20 | TJ- | labelle: I'm beginning to wonder if the USB interface is corrupting the data as it is written to the device... that is something I've seen |
| 01:34.27 | crimsonmane | Greetings. I am attempting to configure a PXE Server using Debian 8, text-only environment. I am logged in as root, following steps outlined http://sirlagz.net/2011/05/09/how-to-setup-a-pxe-boot-server-on-debian-part-2/ which was based on an older Debian version. I am on the step to copy /usr/lib/syslinux/pxelinux.0 to /tftpboot HOWEVER file does not exist. Results of "find / -name pxe*" are shown http://dpaste.com/2QEF42G - |
| 01:34.27 | crimsonmane | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:34.50 | labelle | TJ-: no, I try to load the usb device, but it doesn't show up |
| 01:34.53 | TJ- | labelle: it's worth ruling that out by booting the VirtualBox from the ISO file |
| 01:34.56 | labelle | in the menu of usb devices |
| 01:35.17 | labelle | yes... I am experienced in this stuff... |
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| 01:35.45 | labelle | less than any of you, of course, but I wouldn't come here to ask if my options were none |
| 01:35.55 | grinchier | i guess you can't use brasero for usb |
| 01:35.57 | labelle | lemme try this one, I'll come back. Thank you so far |
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| 01:36.57 | hu | could anybody help me with the touchpad config? |
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| 01:41.00 | labelle | okay, it didn't work. I'm going to find the checksum thing. Where do I find it for debian 8.10 live image cinammon? |
| 01:41.12 | crimsonmane | labelle: are you trying to make a bootable usb? |
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| 01:41.55 | labelle | crimsonmane: yes |
| 01:42.31 | crimsonmane | labelle: using terminal as root: dd if=/path/to/iso/ of=/dev/sdX where sdX is identified correctly using "lsblk" command |
| 01:42.58 | crimsonmane | tab-completion helps |
| 01:43.26 | karlpinc | crimsonmane: The important thing to do is to test each step, and look at your logs. Use a tftp client to test that your files are served, etc. |
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| 01:43.40 | TJ- | labelle: the checksums should be alongside the download links. |
| 01:43.50 | karlpinc | !ops nambiz is sending spam via private message. |
| 01:43.50 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: karlpinc complains about: nambiz is sending spam via private message. |
| 01:43.59 | labelle | crimsonmane: that's what we've been talking about, that method doesn't work for debian live image, it works for LMDE live, debian netinst, archlinux, but not debian live |
| 01:44.01 | crimsonmane | karlpinc: this cannot happen yet as the initial configuration is incomplete. I am missing said file and assume the name has been changed in newer versions |
| 01:44.03 | labelle | debian live cinammon I mean |
| 01:44.17 | labelle | assuming it's the right file... so I'm going to check the MD5 |
| 01:44.56 | crimsonmane | !ops yes i confirm user nambiz is sending malicious URL via PM |
| 01:44.57 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: crimsonmane complains about: yes i confirm user nambiz is sending malicious URL via PM |
| 01:45.10 | labelle | it isn't there |
| 01:45.23 | labelle | TJ-: sorry, it isn't there. |
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| 01:45.58 | TJ- | labelle: which page did you download the ISO from, what URL ? |
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| 01:46.29 | labelle | TJ-: this http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/bt-hybrid/ |
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| 01:48.06 | TJ- | labelle: Those are just bittorrent links; look in the related iso-hybrid directory one level up: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/ |
| 01:48.25 | karlpinc | crimsonmane: I forget the details. The install guide has a chapter on setting up installation from a pxeboot environment. That might be something to get working as a first step. |
| 01:48.27 | labelle | oh, okay. Which one of them should be for the cinammon? |
| 01:48.36 | TJ- | labelle: instructions on verifying: https://www.debian.org/CD/verify |
| 01:48.50 | labelle | thank you, I'll check it, then come back. |
| 01:49.00 | karlpinc | crimsonmane: You're trying to pxeboot and nfs mount the root fs? |
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| 01:49.05 | crimsonmane | karlpinc: i am not trying to install via pxeboot, i am trying to create a pxe server |
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| 01:49.11 | TJ- | labelle: MD%s: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/MD5SUMS |
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| 01:49.37 | karlpinc | crimsonmane: A "pxe server" does what? |
| 01:49.55 | crimsonmane | booting 'from' the server is a step that will happen later. right now i'm setting one up. |
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| 01:50.29 | labelle | TJ-: Sorry, what's the command for gpg? In this site, it says about the signs, not how to verify |
| 01:50.40 | karlpinc | crimsonmane: There is no "pxe server". There's only a tftp server and a dhcp configuration that says where to find boot images and how to boot from those images. |
| 01:50.49 | TJ- | crimsonmane: You're set up the tftp server and dhcpd/dnsmasq for BOOTP ? |
| 01:50.56 | crimsonmane | TJ-: not there yet |
| 01:50.57 | maazu | hi |
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| 01:52.21 | crimsonmane | i have installed tftp and the instructions tell me to copy pxelinux.0 file to a specified location, however the file doesn't exist so i cannot continue following the guide. |
| 01:52.33 | TJ- | crimsonmane: there are various out-of-the-box tools for that nowadays; when I needed to set it up (years ago) I wrote a script to automate it (deploying Live ISOs automatically over TFTP+NFS). Not sure which tool to recommend to you, though |
| 01:52.59 | TJ- | crimsonmane: pxelinux.0 usually comes from the syslinux project |
| 01:53.07 | crimsonmane | right, i've installed that |
| 01:53.10 | crimsonmane | the file does. not. exist. |
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| 01:53.51 | crimsonmane | http://dpaste.com/2QEF42G |
| 01:54.08 | crimsonmane | ^ results of "find / -name pxe* |
| 01:54.20 | TJ- | crimsonmane: "apt-file list syslinux | grep pxe" > "syslinux-common: /usr/lib/syslinux/gpxelinux.0" |
| 01:54.48 | TJ- | crimsonmane: sorry, -> "yslinux-common: /usr/lib/syslinux/pxelinux.0" |
| 01:55.03 | Feidry | Any help with this: http://redd.it/3ago6f would be greatly appreciated. |
| 01:55.03 | TJ- | grrr, typos and paste errors! |
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| 01:57.50 | karlpinc | crimsonmane: I forget whether this is required for debian, but in addition to a dhcp "server-name" to deliver to the client you may also need a "next-server" as well. (With me these were the same.) |
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| 01:58.22 | TJ- | crimsonmane: If you're following this guide it does seem to have forgot to mention the need for the syslinux package containing pxelinux.0! https://www.debian-administration.org/article/478/Setting_up_a_server_for_PXE_network_booting |
| 01:59.19 | labelle | TJ-: says BAD signatura from "Debian CD signing key <debian-cd@lists.debian.org>" |
| 02:00.24 | TJ- | labelle: So, file is corrupt .... explains everything |
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| 02:01.10 | TJ- | crimsonmane: if you're using this guide the pxelinux.0 is from the netboot.tar.gz https://wiki.debian.org/PXEBootInstall |
| 02:01.16 | labelle | TJ-: Holy shit :) I can't believe my headache is due to that shit. Okay, I'm going to download from http |
| 02:01.22 | labelle | and delete de torrent also |
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| 02:01.56 | TJ- | labelle: This is why the first recommendation is always to checksum the file - as well as knowing its genuine you know its not corrupted |
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| 02:02.12 | labelle | TJ-: yes, but it's weird though... all 3 images can't be verified |
| 02:02.19 | labelle | all 3 images were corrupted? |
| 02:02.25 | labelle | (netinst, mate and cinammon) |
| 02:02.32 | TJ- | labelle: Hmmm... hang on ... do you have the signing key in your keyring? |
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| 02:03.01 | labelle | TJ-: I added the public keys, is it even possible to put the signing keys? |
| 02:03.28 | labelle | gpg --import says no key to be imported |
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| 02:05.06 | TJ- | labelle: When I do that I use the keys in the system's apt trusted keyring, with "gpg --keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg --verify ...." |
| 02:05.10 | karlpinc | Feidry: I'd say you want to read how to configure modprobe. "man modprobe.conf" and you probably want to put your config in /etc/modprobe.d/. Maybe a line that reads "forcedeth msi=0 msix=0". But really I don't fully understand your problem, it just looks like the solution you're trying to implement involves configuring the module loading. |
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| 02:05.41 | labelle | TJ-: how do I put the signing keys in the trusted? |
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| 02:06.32 | TJ- | labelle: You don't, the signing keys should be in the system keyring already, so you just verify the detached signature file + the download ISO against those |
| 02:07.17 | Feidry | karlpinc Thanks. The problem is exactly as described in the OP on the ubuntu forums link. There's something funky that I don't understand about the chipset and it's drivers. |
| 02:07.51 | labelle | TJ-: so it should be gpg --verify MD5SUMS debian.iso ? |
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| 02:09.52 | labelle | TJ-: maybe the iso being in a read-only filesystem? |
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| 02:10.02 | labelle | (weird, because I put it in there, it shouldn't be in read-only) |
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| 02:10.54 | jsw__ | Hey! Does anyone know how to disable the bloody hot corners in Gnome Classic on Debian Jessie? I've looked through Settings and Tweak Tool and can't find anything for this |
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| 02:11.57 | TJ- | labelle: hang on, I'm trying to reproduce it here but I'm currently booted to an Ubuntu installation so got to alter things a bit |
| 02:12.13 | bazhang | jsw__, gnome-shell? |
| 02:12.21 | labelle | TJ-: thank you for your time, TJ. I really appreciate it. |
| 02:12.53 | jsw__ | bazhang, This is in Gnome Classic, any application. |
| 02:13.24 | bazhang | jsw__, is that gnome-fallback-session ? |
| 02:14.04 | jsw__ | I'm not sure what you mean, sorry. |
| 02:14.09 | bazhang | ,v gnome-classic |
| 02:14.11 | judd | No package named 'gnome-classic' was found in amd64. |
| 02:14.26 | bazhang | ,v gnome-fallback-session |
| 02:14.27 | judd | No package named 'gnome-fallback-session' was found in amd64. |
| 02:14.38 | bazhang | yeah that |
| 02:14.45 | labelle | TJ-: is it verify-files maybe? it says it's a good signature, but then says "No valid OpenPGP data found" |
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| 02:15.14 | jsw__ | OH. This is the ... I wanna say display manager? It's not a package, it shows up as an option when I login. Eg instead of Gnome or KDE there's a Gnome Classic option. I choose that and login. |
| 02:15.28 | jsw__ | Actually I haven't tried it in the others to see if the same problem occurs. |
| 02:16.05 | jsw__ | Googling leads me to believe this is some kind of Gnome3 feature. |
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| 02:16.22 | bazhang | fallback-session might be labeled as classic in the login |
| 02:17.16 | bazhang | I know how in gnome-shell but not classic sorry jsw__ |
| 02:18.30 | jsw__ | How do you do it in gnome-shell? I'm familiar with CLI but was really hoping there was a simply GUI option to disable it. Sadly I can't find said option and might have to whip out the CLI-fu. |
| 02:18.38 | crimsonmane | TJ-: even that guide from debian is already outdated |
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| 02:19.18 | bazhang | http://blog.allanglesit.com/2012/03/gnome3-disable-hot-corners/ |
| 02:19.27 | bazhang | jsw__, thats for classic |
| 02:19.59 | TJ- | labelle: First, I download the SHA1SUMS and SHA1SUMS.sign files |
| 02:20.02 | bazhang | jsw__, for gnome-shell its install the plugin no hot top left extension |
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| 02:20.31 | jsw__ | Thanks bazhang! |
| 02:20.34 | TJ- | labelle: The I use "gpg --keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg --verify SHA1SUMS.sign SHA1SUMS" |
| 02:20.38 | bazhang | welcome |
| 02:21.13 | TJ- | labelle: That tells me its a GOOD signature but not trusted since I've not signed that key with my own to say I trust it... the GOOD signature is what matters at this point though |
| 02:21.32 | jsw__ | Is it just me or is Gnome3 rather backwards in this respect. I mean, can you imagine having to use the GUI to enable a command line feature? Let alone having to install an extension. |
| 02:22.24 | labelle | TJ-: Hm, but it says "No valid OpenPGP data found" either? |
| 02:22.25 | labelle | in the end? |
| 02:22.41 | bazhang | gnome-shell is very easy to configure with the plugins jsw__ |
| 02:22.54 | bazhang | fallback not so much |
| 02:24.15 | labelle | TJ-: verifying SHA1SUMS gives the same feedback |
| 02:24.24 | somiaj | fallback doesn't exist in jessie anymore either. |
| 02:24.27 | labelle | well, it says Bad Signature |
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| 02:24.35 | labelle | Im downloading from HTTP |
| 02:24.48 | labelle | then verify it |
| 02:25.19 | labelle | Also, is it necessary to format the rest of the drive? |
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| 02:26.08 | TJ- | labelle: Here's what I see: http://paste.ubuntu.com/11743344/ |
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| 02:27.07 | TJ- | labelle: Knowing that signature is good I know the hashes inside SHA1SUMS are valid, so I can generate my own local hashes of the same files and compare the hashes (using sha1sum filename.iso) |
| 02:27.28 | labelle | TJ-: yes, same prompt for me. Howver, if I --verify SHA1SUMS.sign debian.iso it prompts me "bad signature" |
| 02:28.07 | labelle | TJ-: but if I --verify-files SHA1SUMS.sign debian.iso it says it's a good signature, says it's not trusted, and says "No valid OpenPGP data found" |
| 02:28.12 | TJ- | labelle: I may have confused you; you don't use the ISO with the gpg command |
| 02:28.40 | labelle | TJ-: But how I verify the iso then? |
| 02:28.56 | TJ- | labelle: Yes, that is the correct way to do it. Because the SHA1SUMS.sign lists the filenames against the hash, and can therefore match the ISO to the hash |
| 02:29.12 | TJ- | labelle: You did in 1 step what I explained in 2 :) |
| 02:29.53 | labelle | TJ-: Oh, okay. So it says it's a good signature. I'm trying another method, with gnome-disk-utility, I'll try that and come back |
| 02:31.31 | labelle | TJ-: so, to be clear. I delete all partitions in the sd card, dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb, wait, then dd if=debian.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=4M; sync ? |
| 02:31.48 | labelle | (bs=4M; sync or bs=4M ; sync ?) |
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| 02:32.15 | TJ- | labelle: You don't need to delete partitions, they'll get wiped out when you do "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb ..." |
| 02:32.38 | labelle | TJ-: okay. I do not format it in any format, then? |
| 02:33.04 | labelle | TJ-: because that what I was trying for... years actually lol and never worked, BUT I'll try once again |
| 02:33.16 | TJ- | labelle: The partition table is in sector 0 of /dev/sdb. When you write to /dev/sdb without specifying an offset (using skip=) it starts at offset 0, which is the beginning of the device |
| 02:33.18 | labelle | TJ-: (did try zeroing today, but didn't work too) |
| 02:33.31 | somiaj | labelle: when you do dd (or cp as I suggested eariler) you do copy the image that contains the partition table and file system in it. So formating is just an uneeded step that has little to no effect. |
| 02:33.47 | labelle | somiaj: cp didn't work as well |
| 02:33.56 | labelle | somiaj: but thank you! |
| 02:33.59 | somiaj | labelle: again you are doing something odd becuse it works just fine in most cases. |
| 02:34.11 | TJ- | labelle: As I said earlier, I suspect a flakey USB flash controller is corrupting the data being written |
| 02:34.21 | labelle | somiaj: I know, that's why I'm losing my mind! Nobody is going through that shit I am going through. |
| 02:34.28 | somiaj | labelle: but is this an sd card or a usb drive, what are you making this for. Does the system you are making it for support booting from sd card. |
| 02:34.33 | labelle | TJ-: Okay, I'll try another sd card. |
| 02:34.50 | labelle | somiaj: It boots Tails in SD card too. |
| 02:35.17 | TJ- | labelle: After you've written the ISO to /dev/sdb you could generate a SHA1 hash on the bytes written using sha1sum to validate the data on the flash is the same as what was written |
| 02:35.38 | labelle | TJ-: hm... how do I do it and then verify? |
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| 02:38.34 | labelle | I hate LMDE :( |
| 02:39.27 | labelle | TJ-: okay let me try it, hang on, I'll be back |
| 02:39.28 | TJ- | labelle: "ISO=/path/to/debian.iso; dd if=/dev/sdb ibs=$(stat -c %s $ISO) count=1 | sha1sum" |
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| 02:40.36 | TJ- | labelle: because the ISO image may be smaller than the size of the USB flash storage we use 'stat' to get the actual number of bytes in the ISO and only read that many from /dev/sdb and pass them to sha1sum which generates the hash. We then compare that hash to the hash of the ISO file itself (from SHA1SUMS) |
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| 02:41.43 | jordanm | TJ-: that's a pretty complex way to write "sha1sum /dev/sdb" |
| 02:41.56 | labelle | TJ-: hm, I was trying to figure that out hehe. Okay, it gets stuck because it doesn't know there's a space in the name |
| 02:42.23 | TJ- | jordanm: Not at all... the sha1sum of /dev/sdb won't match the ISO |
| 02:42.48 | jordanm | oh, i missed the count=1 |
| 02:42.54 | labelle | TJ-: should I sudo ISO or sudo dd in this? |
| 02:43.00 | TJ- | labelle: wrap the filename in double quotes if it contains spaces |
| 02:43.42 | TJ- | labelle: I think you won't need it; regular user should have read permissions for /dev/sdb ... if you get an error, use it :) |
| 02:44.01 | labelle | TJ-: Okay :) Waiting. |
| 02:44.11 | labelle | okay, did it. |
| 02:44.32 | labelle | 1+0 records in |
| 02:44.39 | labelle | 2264640+0 records out |
| 02:45.13 | labelle | 1159495680 byts (1.2 GB) copied, 76.4222 s, 15.2 MB/s, b04cc92a38 (...) |
| 02:45.31 | labelle | where did it write? |
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| 02:45.35 | TJ- | labelle: best to use a pastebin for multiple lines :) |
| 02:45.49 | labelle | TJ-: Hehe sorry. |
| 02:46.14 | labelle | TJ-: how do I verify it then? |
| 02:46.38 | TJ- | labelle: did you pipe that through sha1sum as in the command example I gave you. The final line should look something like "4d94f6111b8fe47da94396180ce499d8c0bb44f3 -" which will be the hash of stdin (-) - that won't be the hash of your image, that's of the ubuntu 14.04 server ISO I have handy |
| 02:47.06 | labelle | okay, I have this... |
| 02:47.09 | TJ- | labelle: "ISO=/path/to/debian.iso; dd if=/dev/sdb ibs=$(stat -c %s $ISO) count=1 | sha1sum" <<< see the pipe into sha1sum ? |
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| 02:47.33 | labelle | TJ-: yes, I did. But having this, what do I do? |
| 02:47.43 | labelle | TJ-: is it already verified? |
| 02:47.57 | TJ- | labelle: That SHA1 hash you have there should match the hash of the ISO file as it is listed in SHA1SUMS |
| 02:48.19 | labelle | TJ-: Hm! yeah, right, hehehe. Hang on. |
| 02:48.31 | TJ- | labelle: I assume this one: "b94ac52116e0fee666c875e6eb0f0ec16ed8b81c debian-live-8.1.0-amd64-cinnamon-desktop.iso" |
| 02:49.02 | labelle | TJ-: nop! b04cc92 |
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| 02:49.14 | labelle | none starts with b04cc92 |
| 02:50.07 | TJ- | labelle: So, if you wrote the ISO to the USB correctly, and read it back as I showed, then that tells you what's on the USB is *not* what you wrote to it... telling you there's corruption |
| 02:50.30 | labelle | TJ-: yup... :( |
| 02:50.47 | labelle | I'll change sd cards. My head and back are killing me already. |
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| 02:51.09 | labelle | TJ-: Also, I downloaded from HTTP, good signature as well |
| 02:51.19 | TJ- | labelle: As I said earlier ... not unusual with SD-cards, especially unbranded cards in my experience |
| 02:51.38 | labelle | TJ-: Kingston one! :( |
| 02:51.53 | labelle | TJ-: yay I have no SD cards left! I can go to sleep and hate myself for the rest of the week :) |
| 02:51.57 | TJ- | labelle: That's why I recommended booting the VirtualBox directly from the ISO image not the USB, to test the image does boot. |
| 02:52.08 | labelle | TJ-: It does boot from the ISO. |
| 02:52.37 | labelle | hang on |
| 02:52.40 | labelle | brb, okay? |
| 02:52.41 | TJ- | labelle: Kingston seem to suffer the most with cheap bad knock-offs counterfeited in China... I've had several over the years and won't touch them now |
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| 02:52.59 | TJ- | labelle: OK. Me too, I have to test a kernel bisect |
| 02:53.02 | labelle | TJ-: Of course, but later I'll try netinst, as I had luck with these. |
| 02:53.12 | labelle | TJ-: Okay, thank you so much for the attention. :) |
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| 02:55.54 | ghormoon | Hi, any idea how to fix bridge when each restart it waits 32s until timeout because ipv6 link is not ready? Even when I've turned off ipv6 globally? |
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| 03:00.20 | labelle | back, didn't work with gnome-disk-utility. Okay, I'm going to write tails or netinst, see if that works. |
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| 03:07.34 | al2o3-cr | labelle: how'd you mean? |
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| 03:08.29 | labelle | al2o3-cr: Bluetooth is in the tray, and I'd like to not open it every login session. I already have /etc/rc.local with rfkill block bluetooth though |
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| 03:10.13 | ender1618 | attempting a shell command if [$W -ge 1500]||[$H -ge 1500]; and getting ./mark.sh: line 7: [1143: command not found as the output what am I doing wrong? |
| 03:10.26 | al2o3-cr | labelle: try adding `/etc/init.d/bluetooth stop` to rc.local too |
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| 03:12.05 | labelle | al2o3-cr: Thank you! I'll test it in a few. |
| 03:12.20 | al2o3-cr | ok |
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| 03:16.16 | labelle | al2o3-cr: didn't work :( |
| 03:16.28 | labelle | al2o3-cr: I think it stopped reading rc.local altogether, actually. |
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| 03:16.41 | al2o3-cr | hmmm.... |
| 03:17.06 | al2o3-cr | labelle: are you putting them before exit 0 right? |
| 03:17.10 | labelle | For those following my issue, debian netinst installed perfectly in the same SD card. SO it's not the SD Card. I'm going to write the image I just downloaded from HTTP. |
| 03:17.17 | labelle | al2o3-cr: Hehe, yes. |
| 03:17.26 | al2o3-cr | labelle: just checking heh |
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| 03:18.49 | labelle | al2o3-cr: rfkill block was working perfect. Then I put a setkxmap alongsite. Then it stopped working :( |
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| 03:19.45 | al2o3-cr | labelle: sudo update-rc.d bluetooth remove does it remove? |
| 03:20.23 | labelle | says "insserv: script vboxdrv: service vboxdrv already provided!" |
| 03:20.27 | labelle | ... weird lol |
| 03:21.05 | al2o3-cr | wtf? lol |
| 03:21.22 | labelle | LMDE. I quit trying to understand LMDE. Really. |
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| 03:21.52 | al2o3-cr | i'm out of options then i'm afraid |
| 03:22.18 | labelle | al2o3-cr: Do you know how can I remove it altogether? I hate bluetooth lol. |
| 03:24.36 | al2o3-cr | labelle: sudo apt-get remove bluez* *bluetooth* # probably |
| 03:24.51 | labelle | al2o3-cr: I see. thank you :) |
| 03:25.04 | al2o3-cr | yw |
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| 03:35.01 | labelle | Well, I wrote the new iso to the drive, and checked it, it's written as it says in the iso file |
| 03:35.05 | labelle | It didn't boot. |
| 03:35.16 | labelle | Oh, TJ just got back :P |
| 03:35.49 | TJ- | labelle: boot on the PC, or in the VirtualBox? |
| 03:35.54 | labelle | PC |
| 03:36.06 | labelle | now the SHA1SUM checks with the file |
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| 03:36.14 | labelle | when dd piping throught sha1sum |
| 03:36.20 | labelle | but still doesn't work |
| 03:36.26 | TJ- | labelle: Try it in the VirtualBox ... and also try booting the Virtual Box from the ISO file itself |
| 03:36.39 | labelle | TJ-: Virtualbox boots from ISO |
| 03:36.47 | TJ- | labelle: but not from the USB? |
| 03:37.13 | labelle | TJ-: VirtualBox syas no devices found |
| 03:37.37 | labelle | god damn it, i need to run setup for virtualbox every time, hang on |
| 03:37.51 | TJ- | labelle: then I can only assume there's something weird going on with your PC's USB ports. Is the flash device connected directly into a PC USB port, or via a USB hub? |
| 03:38.14 | labelle | TJ-: I put netinst, it wrote perfectly, mounted perfetly, then I rebooted, and could boot netinst |
| 03:38.27 | labelle | TJ-: so it's not the SD card integrity, not the usb port as well. |
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| 03:39.10 | labelle | TJ-: Could you download the debian live 8.10 cinammon, dd it, and try to boot or something? |
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| 03:41.05 | al2o3-cr | labelle: bios or uefi? |
| 03:41.21 | labelle | al2o3-cr: rEFInd, so I guess UEFI |
| 03:42.00 | al2o3-cr | labelle: put it in legacy mode and make sure your boot priority is set to usb |
| 03:42.12 | labelle | al2o3-cr: can't, macbook. Lol. |
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| 03:42.29 | al2o3-cr | ah, disregard then lol |
| 03:42.48 | labelle | al2o3-cr: I can boot tails from it, netinst from it, archlinux from it, just not debian live cinnamon |
| 03:43.02 | labelle | al2o3-cr: as TJ- said, it's unusual. It's driving me completely NUTS. |
| 03:43.28 | labelle | debian netinst I mean |
| 03:43.41 | TJ- | labelle: fetching the ISO ... will be 20 minutes or so until I can test |
| 03:43.56 | labelle | TJ-: thank you! |
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| 03:44.34 | TJ- | labelle: I use kvm for virtualisation, I can test booting the ISO with UEFI and legacy BIOS. |
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| 03:45.02 | labelle | What drives me crazy is that NOWHERE this is reported, so I must be the crazy bitch here. But I never could write Debian Live images in peace. That goes for debian 6 7 and 8 now. |
| 03:45.38 | TJ- | labelle: have you tried plugging the USB device into a different port? |
| 03:45.47 | labelle | And now I can't use netinst because I want cinnamon on the computer I'll install, and I don't want to consider putting cinnamon afterwards, and I can't risk installing it without checking basic hardware |
| 03:45.57 | labelle | TJ-: Yes, no deal :( |
| 03:46.24 | TJ- | labelle: Are they USB3 or USB2 ports? |
| 03:46.47 | labelle | TJ-: USB2. Works with every other distro and debian netinst |
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| 03:46.57 | labelle | including Linux Mint Debian Edition Live |
| 03:47.17 | jimcornette | oe two three live build !! yeah ! |
| 03:47.19 | labelle | TJ-: gparted says in information that "Unable to detect file system!" |
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| 03:47.58 | jimcornette | labelle, why not just use a mini and then use tasksel to install cinn ? |
| 03:48.09 | jimcornette | or is this for reporting ? |
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| 03:48.37 | labelle | jimcornette: This is for reporting, yes, but I don't think I'll have time to put cinnamon later. |
| 03:48.50 | jimcornette | ahh I see says the blind guy |
| 03:49.02 | labelle | ? |
| 03:49.21 | jimcornette | reporting ^ |
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| 03:50.04 | labelle | jimcornette: Well, it's a report as long I am apperently the only person having trouble with this... But didn't come to that from the start, you see |
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| 03:50.38 | jimcornette | ahh . now this is only on hardware or is this also Virt style ? |
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| 03:50.53 | jimcornette | IE works in qemu but not from usb ? |
| 03:51.01 | jimcornette | or some virt tech |
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| 03:51.27 | labelle | jimcornette: not sure if I understand... I am booting from a physical computer. (not booting, that is) |
| 03:51.34 | jimcornette | Not sure How debian builds there images I would like with livebuild but I could be wrong |
| 03:51.41 | labelle | jimcornette: I test in VB so I don't need to reboot everytime |
| 03:52.17 | labelle | jimcornette: There's a way to build your own images, but before hand, not while in the process... |
| 03:53.06 | jimcornette | what does casper and other things have to say about the integrity of the img ? does it all check out ? |
| 03:53.18 | labelle | TJ-: the sdcard being 1.8gb in size makes any difference? |
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| 03:53.41 | TJ- | labelle: It shouldn't, although that's an unusual size |
| 03:53.43 | labelle | jimcornette: I checked SHA1SUMS with the iso and signature, then between iso and written image |
| 03:54.16 | jimcornette | what arch ? |
| 03:54.18 | labelle | TJ-: well, tails is 1.2 in size also, LMDE I think is too, could always use 2gb cards. Netinst is much smaller, and works. |
| 03:55.05 | labelle | TJ-: I say tails and LMDE because they are debian based. I could never use live images from 6 to 8 though. |
| 03:55.13 | jimcornette | wondering if there is any sorta boot sector things getting in the way. I know that I am dealing with mali and samsung atm and it is not that much fun |
| 03:55.23 | TJ- | labelle: I've not seen flash devices that aren't multiples of 1GB is what I meant |
| 03:55.52 | labelle | TJ-: oh, it says 2gb,but it is 1.8gb in gparted, that's what I meant, sorry. |
| 03:56.10 | labelle | TJ-: I think every drive loses memory with time.... |
| 03:56.13 | TJ- | labelle: Ahhhh. GiB vs GB (base 2 vs base 10) |
| 03:56.38 | labelle | TJ-: yes :( Is it just in Brazil that those cocksuckers do that for marketting? lol |
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| 03:57.13 | TJ- | labelle: Traditionally memory is sized in base 2 since it reflects the binary nature, but storage manufacturers like to make there product sound bigger by using SI base 10 units :) |
| 03:57.42 | labelle | TJ-: hehehe |
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| 03:58.05 | TJ- | labelle: so now we're supposed to use GiB (GibiBytes) to indicate base 2 and GB (GigaBytes) to indicate SI base 10 units |
| 03:58.13 | al2o3-cr | 2_000_000_000_000 / (1024**3) # => 1862 so 1.8gb :) |
| 03:58.33 | labelle | So every 2gb card is a 1.8 card |
| 03:58.46 | TJ- | labelle: that depends on the flash chips :) |
| 03:58.55 | labelle | TJ-: HAhHA true! |
| 03:59.29 | labelle | TJ-: So, once you dd the image and see if it works, I won't mess with what I have here. Who knows, it might work in this other computer tomorrow. |
| 03:59.48 | labelle | TJ-: If you can't make it work, you have a solid report for you to deal with it, yay... :( |
| 04:00.05 | Tagor | how can I fix a package that shows as 'iB' in aptitude? I tried apt-get -f install but that doesn't work |
| 04:00.10 | labelle | TJ-: Then I'll get mate, or maybe do the netinst and later put cinnamon if I have the chance |
| 04:00.24 | swift110-phone | Mate is awesome |
| 04:00.27 | labelle | TJ-: (I don't believe mate live is working either, though) |
| 04:00.29 | TJ- | labelle: I just inserted a "32GB" device: "mmcblk0: mmc0:0001 00000 29.8 GiB" |
| 04:00.46 | labelle | swift110-phone: yes! But poeple say MATE will stop being developed, and only cinnamon will live on |
| 04:00.57 | swift110-phone | Hep |
| 04:00.58 | labelle | TJ-: hehehe see? |
| 04:01.03 | swift110-phone | Hmm |
| 04:01.18 | swift110-phone | Ive heard of that before |
| 04:01.26 | labelle | swift110-phone: not sure if it's true, but I'm hanging on to cinnamon. |
| 04:01.41 | swift110-phone | I hang on to mate' |
| 04:01.46 | labelle | I use LMDE Mate because LMDE Cinnamon made my touchpad work funny *giggles* |
| 04:01.54 | swift110-phone | Ok |
| 04:02.36 | labelle | swift110-phone: I wish me hanging on to MATE would change the developers mind, but... :( |
| 04:03.26 | labelle | and if Debian Cinnamon gives me the same problems that LMDE Cinnamon did, I will be... oh boy... SO BUMMED hahaha. |
| 04:04.31 | TJ- | map |
| 04:05.24 | swift110-phone | Lol |
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| 04:08.19 | TJ- | labelle: I can't get that ISO to boot using UEFI but I can using BIOS |
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| 04:15.29 | labelle | TJ-: Oh... So? |
| 04:15.29 | labelle | TJ-: So, what should I do? |
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| 04:15.40 | labelle | ping |
| 04:16.04 | labelle | connectino dropped, sorry |
| 04:16.18 | labelle | TJ-: So it's not designed to work with UEFI? |
| 04:17.10 | labelle | TJ-: just as jimcornette said, to put it in legacy mode? |
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| 04:20.17 | TJ- | labelle: The el-torito boot image in the ISO is isolinux, which as far as I can see only supports BIOS booting. There's no 2nd boot-loader FAT32 ESP image for UEFI boots |
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| 04:21.11 | labelle | TJ-: I see.. Well, it might work in the other computer I'd like to put it on. Stiill, virtualbox doesn't see it. |
| 04:21.33 | labelle | TJ-: Anyhow, thank you so much, SO MUCH, for the attention! You've been marvelous :) |
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| 04:24.26 | TJ- | labelle: I compared with an Ubuntu ISO and those do have a FAT32 file-system EFI System Partition (ESP) |
| 04:25.06 | labelle | TJ-: I see... but did you try it? The problem could be somewhere else, because I think I can see BIOS when using the linux grub. |
| 04:25.35 | labelle | TJ-: rEFInd can boot the linux grub too, and it didn't show up, as far as I am concerned. |
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| 04:28.03 | labelle | TJ-: Also, when I tried other times, with 7 and 6, in other computers, it didn't seem to work. Again, with the DD method. |
| 04:28.18 | TJ- | labelle: "Note:On UEFI-based PCs, rEFInd defaults to scanning for EFI, but not for BIOS, boot loaders. If you want to launch BIOS-mode OSes from rEFInd, you must edit the scanfor line in refind.conf," |
| 04:28.36 | TJ- | labelle: but then it goes on to say "On Macs, rEFInd scans for BIOS-based OSes by default, since such configurations are a common way to launch Windows on Macs" |
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| 04:29.46 | labelle | TJ-: Oh. Well, I don't think it's the problem. You could test to see if it boots. If not, there's something really weird. I think I can't test it anymore, I prefer to leave it at that. I'll try to boot from it tomorrow, and report back. |
| 04:30.05 | labelle | TJ-: Still, very weird issue. Maybe nobody use live images anymore? |
| 04:30.08 | TJ- | labelle: but it may be worth altering the global configuration of the "scanfor" parameter according to this page: http://www.rodsbooks.com/refind/configfile.html#adjusting |
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| 04:30.35 | TJ- | labelle: "The hdbios, biosexternal, and cd parameters are similar, but scan for BIOS boot loaders." |
| 04:30.45 | labelle | TJ-: I don't think I need to mess with it, because I was just testing to see if it boots. So I have no ways to measure it properly, that's just what it is right now. |
| 04:31.20 | labelle | I need to put it in another computer. Since I could never put nor 6 or 7 or 8 in PCs (not macs), it draws me attention. |
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| 04:32.06 | KingEdgar | do any debian users here use OBS-studios? |
| 04:32.16 | labelle | first time I tried putting 8, I had the bad ISO though, so let's see tomorrow. |
| 04:32.44 | KingEdgar | Just want to know if it can compile using libav instead of ffmpeg because from looking at my system it seems to use libav over ffmpeg >.> |
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| 04:33.11 | labelle | TJ-: Could you test it in your machine later? I mean, when you have more of a spare time to test it :) |
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| 04:33.37 | TJ- | labelle: test which, specifically? |
| 04:34.01 | labelle | TJ-: The iso you downloaded now, the debian live cinnamon. To write it and try to boot it. |
| 04:34.29 | TJ- | labelle: I don't need to write it; I tested it in a virtual machine and it only boots using BIOS |
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| 04:34.59 | labelle | Well, the problem seemed in the process of writing it in a USB, then trying to boot it. My ISO was working too in virtualbox, as I said. |
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| 04:35.35 | labelle | That's where the problem lies. |
| 04:35.42 | jimcornette | labelle, I hate to say this but the time that you are spending on debugging this thing you could write a dsebootstrap script |
| 04:35.47 | TJ- | labelle: That's why I said you should check/configure the rEFInd since that's the thing on a Mac that provides a BIOS boot capability |
| 04:36.21 | jimcornette | but TJ- is 100% right about the eEFINd |
| 04:36.50 | labelle | TJ-: Right. I'll test tomorrow, since the sha1sum showed that the drive is written as the ISO. |
| 04:37.13 | labelle | jimcornette: I said that, that I have no ways to properly measure it for now. |
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| 04:37.29 | jimcornette | ahh sorry I must have missed that |
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| 04:37.50 | labelle | TJ-: Thank you for your time. |
| 04:37.53 | TJ- | labelle: With a hybrid ISO, it can boot using 2 BIOS modes. the first is as an emulated CD image which, to boot, requires an El Torito standard boot sector. The second is to look like a regular hard disk with an MBR partition table in sector 0 so it can boot as a fixed disk |
| 04:38.20 | TJ- | labelle: I've tested both in the VM |
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| 04:40.00 | labelle | TJ-: Yes, when in ISO. What I was saying is that in the process of writing it to a USB drive, there could be a problem. Now, I don't really mean to be a ungrateful bitch here. Since I can only test it tomorrow, I'll leave at that. |
| 04:40.20 | labelle | I really appreciate the time. Thank you. |
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| 04:40.32 | TJ- | labelle: if the image is verified on the USB, as you did, then there's no difference. |
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| 04:41.03 | labelle | TJ-: I'll try it tomorrow :) What you say makes sense, it should work. |
| 04:41.13 | TJ- | labelle: At that point the difference is in the hardware's boot code, in your case rEFInd |
| 04:41.31 | labelle | TJ-: Nop, bios, because that's another computer I'll have my hands on tomorrow. |
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| 04:44.51 | labelle | Thanks all for your time. |
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| 04:50.35 | crimsonmane | PXE Server up and running, able to load and run the Debian installer. I would like to be able to throw any LiveSession ISO into a folder and have whatever is in that folder appear on a boot menu, so at an installfest anyone can choose any ISO and i dont have to write a config for every dang one |
| 04:50.47 | crimsonmane | is that doable? able to get "close enough"? |
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| 05:40.11 | snadge | debian jessie will handle the leap second ok? |
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| 05:57.11 | aRealFemaleOnIRC | ..anyone have tips on using a 12 year old server with 20 analog video inputs? |
| 05:57.29 | aRealFemaleOnIRC | does firmware exist for things like this? |
| 05:57.40 | grunhart | lol, nice nick |
| 05:57.50 | grunhart | And I doubt. |
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| 05:58.50 | aRealFemaleOnIRC | debian boots fine, I just have no idea where to start in terms of drivers.... umm... how about a command that will list off the attached devices? |
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| 05:59.49 | grunhart | I think the main problem would be... Does anyone care to support such things? |
| 06:00.25 | aRealFemaleOnIRC | well... linux is old, this server is old.... lots of the code I look through is 15-20 years old anyway. I wouldn't rule out support so quickly. |
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| 06:01.09 | Hydroxide | aRealFemaleOnIRC: to list off attached PCI devices, try lspci. to list off attached USB devices, try lsusb |
| 06:01.20 | Hydroxide | I don't see any inherent reason it wouldn't work |
| 06:01.41 | Hydroxide | but I do agree with grunhart that it's probably not a major focus on any driver developers :) |
| 06:01.57 | Hydroxide | so bugs or limitations might exist etc, but I don't have any to predict |
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| 06:25.44 | molavy | hi |
| 06:25.45 | molavy | which port used for default ping in this example : ping google.com |
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| 06:25.47 | molavy | ? |
| 06:26.01 | somiaj | molavy: no port |
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| 06:26.07 | somiaj | it uses a different layer than tcp |
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| 06:26.32 | somiaj | molavy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ping_(networking_utility)#ICMP_packet |
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| 06:26.53 | molavy | ping not using any port |
| 06:26.56 | molavy | ? |
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| 06:27.46 | somiaj | molavy: that is what I said. Ports are a part of the tcp protocol, ping is uses icmp |
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| 06:28.23 | molavy | ok, i can ping ip of google but not domain name |
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| 06:29.19 | molavy | that seems related to dns ports, maybe |
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| 06:29.39 | somiaj | molavy: that means your nameserver is not working. So either you have incorrect nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf or you are not able to connect to the ones you are using |
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| 06:29.46 | tortib | Anyone here know how I can remove the 'blindshell' rootkit? |
| 06:29.58 | molavy | nameserver 8.8.8.8 |
| 06:30.23 | molavy | somiaj , in /etc/resolve.conf |
| 06:30.44 | somiaj | molavy: so if that isn't working you may have to see why, you could try to traceroute 8.8.8.8 to see what the issue is. |
| 06:31.38 | molavy | i can ping 8.88.8 |
| 06:31.48 | molavy | but traceroute return this |
| 06:31.57 | molavy | traceroute to 8.8.8.8 (8.8.8.8), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets using UDP ---- Unable to look up 188.75.99.93: Temporary failure in name resolution ---- 1 188.75.99.93(N!) 0.452 ms * * |
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| 06:33.24 | molavy | somiaj, any idea? |
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| 06:34.51 | somiaj | molavy: can you ping 8.8.8.8? Sounds like you are having trouble accessing that nameserver, maybe try a local one. |
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| 06:40.29 | molavy | somiaj, great thanks |
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| 06:41.53 | d1e2381dcdadfc59 | ææä¸æçå |
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| 06:44.02 | allorder | !china |
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| 06:51.43 | infiniteNOP | I cannot set up postfix with a smarthost on debian 7 |
| 06:53.02 | infiniteNOP | Error is: <[REDACTED]@openanaliasbox.org>: host openmailbox.org[62.4.1.33] said: 554 5.7.1 |
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| 06:53.02 | infiniteNOP | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:54.12 | infiniteNOP | Config is: http://sprunge.us/iKSe |
| 06:54.29 | infiniteNOP | Can somebody tell me what in the world am I doing wrong? |
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| 07:19.57 | aRealFemaleOnIRC | what do i have to mount -bind in my schroot in order to get sound? i chrooted my brower, and let it get x access, but no sound |
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| 07:23.20 | knivsta | aRealFemaleOnIRC, Really? |
| 07:23.24 | knivsta | How are you lady? |
| 07:23.48 | aRealFemaleOnIRC | really. |
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| 07:24.12 | grunhart | Not sure if laugh or cry. |
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| 07:24.37 | knivsta | lol |
| 07:24.51 | aRealFemaleOnIRC | remembers what it was like in irc a decade or more ago |
| 07:25.05 | aRealFemaleOnIRC | remembers that i wasn't always the only female |
| 07:25.18 | aRealFemaleOnIRC | remembers when everyone was female in IRC |
| 07:25.22 | grunhart | Right, I will do both. |
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| 07:26.39 | pyface | all the females used to get messaged instantly, after joining a channel |
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| 07:27.13 | jluc | Hello |
| 07:27.23 | pyface | 10 years back |
| 07:27.36 | pyface | but that was on a general chat network. this one being technical... i dont know |
| 07:27.38 | somiaj | Please take off-topic chat elsewhere (such as #debian-offtopic) |
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| 07:28.15 | pyface | fair enuff |
| 07:28.43 | jluc | a friend of mine is running Debian Squeeze, where so-called "stable" version scribus is 1.3.x.svn (that is : unstable 2008 version) |
| 07:28.53 | jluc | Is there a repo where he can get really-stable scribus 1.4 ? (or recent 1.5 btw) |
| 07:29.06 | somiaj | jluc: probably not for squeeze. |
| 07:29.12 | somiaj | ,v scribus |
| 07:29.13 | judd | Package: scribus on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.3.3.13.dfsg~svn20081228-2+b2; wheezy: 1.4.0.dfsg+r17300-1.1; sid: 1.4.4+dfsg1-2+b1; jessie: 1.4.4+dfsg1-2+b1; stretch: 1.4.4+dfsg1-2+b1 |
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| 07:29.51 | somiaj | jluc: he might be able to create his own backport from the version in wheezy. (He could also try to backport jessies version, but I would do wheezy unless 1.4.0 isn't good enough for his uses) |
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| 07:30.27 | jluc | search "creating ones own backport from wheezy" |
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| 07:30.41 | somiaj | jluc: /msg dpkg ssb (modify the repos you grab the source from) |
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| 07:31.48 | jluc | would creating a package from PPA be easier and/or more secure maybe ? |
| 07:32.20 | somiaj | jluc: no, harder and less secure.PPAs are made for ubuntu which does things fairly different than debian sometimes. |
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| 07:32.29 | jluc | ok |
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| 07:32.52 | somiaj | jluc: be better to use the wheezy source and build a pkacage from that (usually squeeze backports are made from wheezy). You can try to use jessie, and it may work depending on the source. |
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| 07:34.13 | jluc | what do you mean with "/msg dpkg ssb" |
| 07:34.29 | jluc | it looks like some irc command |
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| 07:35.03 | jluc | (rather than some hint for my issue) |
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| 07:35.55 | somiaj | jluc: yes it is an irc command |
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| 07:36.46 | jluc | it does nothing when i type it |
| 07:37.21 | jluc | Ah it opens a private query window |
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| 07:44.18 | no_gravity | How does one clean up /root/.ssh/known_hosts ? looks like there are only hashes in there. how do you discard stuff you don't need anymore? |
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| 07:45.11 | SirLagz | no_gravity: ssh-keygen -R <host that you don't need anymore> |
| 07:45.29 | no_gravity | SirLagz: well, i dont know what hosts are in there |
| 07:45.42 | SirLagz | the hashes in known_hosts should have IP addresses |
| 07:46.09 | SirLagz | no_gravity: wait...maybe I'm thinking of the wrong file |
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| 07:46.33 | no_gravity | yeah, i don't see IPs in there |
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| 07:47.26 | SirLagz | I must have been thinking of somethign totally different =/ |
| 07:47.47 | SirLagz | no_gravity: you could always just empty it :P |
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| 07:48.04 | no_gravity | yes, but then at unexpected times stuff will break |
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| 07:48.28 | babilen | why clean it at all? |
| 07:48.56 | no_gravity | cruft in there sometimes causes problems |
| 07:49.02 | babilen | how so? |
| 07:50.16 | no_gravity | for example when you "ssh some_new_host" and that host has the same ip as an old host in there. |
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| 07:50.47 | SirLagz | no_gravity: I just clear out the offending IP address when that happens |
| 07:50.54 | no_gravity | sure |
| 07:51.07 | babilen | So, emoty it and accept the new key or remove conflicting keys (or don't check keys at all, not recommended) |
| 07:51.29 | babilen | I guess you can also just compare the entries to the actual values on all your boxes |
| 07:51.36 | no_gravity | sure, its not hard to take care of problems when they arise. |
| 07:51.55 | no_gravity | but if there would be a way i would clean up the file. |
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| 07:52.00 | no_gravity | if not, no big problem. |
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| 07:52.19 | babilen | Well, there are ways, but you don't like them |
| 07:52.37 | babilen | Which is totally understandable btw |
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| 07:56.44 | infiniteNOP | Why does postfix complain about not having sasl mechs to authenticate with? |
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| 07:56.54 | infiniteNOP | How can I set up the mechs? |
| 07:58.34 | infiniteNOP | Of all 1637 people in here... |
| 07:59.04 | RoyK | it's saturday morning in europe ;) |
| 07:59.18 | infiniteNOP | RoyK, I'm in Europe, too |
| 07:59.27 | infiniteNOP | RoyK, Fighting with this thing sine 0700 |
| 07:59.30 | aRealFemaleOnIRC | guys, guys, guys.... opinions on grsecurity kernel hardening? yes? no? is being bloated counter productive? should I do it? |
| 07:59.32 | infiniteNOP | Can't get it to work |
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| 07:59.39 | RoyK | infiniteNOP: not sure about the question - perhaps try #postfix |
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| 08:01.08 | RoyK | aRealFemaleOnIRC: never looked at it, but then, I'm managing 150 or so linux machines on .no's largest college and we haven't needed that sort of security yet |
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| 08:28.25 | dodunichaar | Greetings! I want to setup a server and only image I have is Debian Gnome Live CD. I know I shoud have downloaded network CD but for some reason I didn't. I want to install just the base system but it would install everything. How do I specify installer that I do not need anything else ? --variant=minbase didn't work |
| 08:29.42 | allorder | You cant download 200mb |
| 08:29.45 | RoyK | just untag the "desktop system" choice during install, and you have a server :) |
| 08:32.48 | dodunichaar | allorder,RoyK, isn't it possible to install just a base system out of a Live CD ? Live CD would have that bare minimum base system |
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| 08:34.27 | allorder | I dunno, didnt download a live cd when i need the base, network install is my favorite |
| 08:35.00 | GPenguin | dodunichaar: you can select the expert install when you boot the CD |
| 08:35.51 | RoyK | dodunichaar: oh - a live cd... can't you just download a new image? |
| 08:36.01 | RoyK | GPenguin: ah - didn't know that |
| 08:36.02 | GPenguin | oops |
| 08:36.19 | GPenguin | i didnt see the Live CD part |
| 08:36.28 | RoyK | neither did I at first |
| 08:36.54 | GPenguin | dodunichaar: re-downloading the netinstall ISO is no option? |
| 08:37.27 | GPenguin | in that case you could debootstrap the server |
| 08:37.32 | dodunichaar | GPenguin, I will try that but just curious since it's live CD, it alread has more than enough of what I want, then why I need an alternate ISO to install just base system. |
| 08:37.50 | dodunichaar | GPenguin, you mean edit the boot option and add debootstrp --variant=minbase? |
| 08:37.53 | babilen | Doesn't the live installer offer the expert install too? Admittedly I haven't used the live for installing in, well, ever, but it would strike me as strange if you cannot get to the "task selection" phase |
| 08:38.09 | RoyK | dodunichaar: just download cd1 and install from that |
| 08:38.14 | dodunichaar | babilen, it has non graphical and graphical install option. thats ut |
| 08:38.19 | RoyK | or the netinstall |
| 08:38.21 | babilen | dodunichaar: Have you tried booting with "expert" ? |
| 08:38.30 | Hillary2016 | hey - how do I open the GUI for changing options for my grsecurity kernel? |
| 08:38.42 | dodunichaar | babilen, I can't see any option like "expert" |
| 08:38.51 | RoyK | babilen: no need for 'expert' - the gui is only installed if you choose 'desktop system' |
| 08:39.01 | RoyK | (which is ticked on by default) |
| 08:39.10 | babilen | RoyK: yeah, you should get to the task selection phase (as mentioned earlier) |
| 08:39.55 | babilen | It's just that I haven't ever used the live cd for installing nor have I performed any "non expert" installations in a long time so I am not 100% what is available where :) |
| 08:40.14 | babilen | But you should get the "choose your task(s)" dialogue |
| 08:40.23 | RoyK | babilen: the standard text install works well |
| 08:40.33 | babilen | From the live CD? |
| 08:40.45 | RoyK | probably not |
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| 08:40.55 | RoyK | doesn't use a live cd unless he needs a live cd |
| 08:40.56 | babilen | well, that's the whole point now, isn't it? |
| 08:41.14 | RoyK | he's probably downloaded another already :) |
| 08:41.29 | babilen | No, lets discuss this for another hour ;) |
| 08:43.14 | dodunichaar | I can download netiso. I just wanted to know why I can't have just the base system out of live CD, why I should I downloat netiso despite having live CD which already has base system |
| 08:43.55 | RoyK | dodunichaar: not sure if you have the same choices on a live cd - never tried, really |
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| 08:45.14 | dodunichaar | royk, but theoretically it should be possible. |
| 08:45.18 | babilen | dodunichaar: sure |
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| 08:45.48 | RoyK | well, just get that network installer :P |
| 08:45.49 | babilen | I would, in fact, be surprised if you are not offered the task selection, but it wouldn't cross my mind to install from the live iso, so I can't be sure |
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| 08:46.46 | dodunichaar | Let's see, It just asked me to choose network mirror |
| 08:46.59 | babilen | httpredir.debian.org |
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| 08:49.58 | dodunichaar | Nope, it didn't ask me anything, installed the whole stuff. I need to go for netiso |
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| 08:52.07 | dgriffi | has anyone tried to do a bluetooth pairing between a Jessie box and a Samsung android phone? something changed between Wheezy and Jessie and I can't figure out exactly what changed. |
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| 08:52.43 | dgriffi | so, I select the computer I want to pair the phone with, the Jessie box should respond and ask for a pass code, right? |
| 08:53.07 | dgriffi | but it never does that |
| 08:53.22 | dgriffi | I select pair on the Jessie box. Nothing happens. |
| 08:53.54 | nicechap_ | would a switch to debian make sense for an ubuntu user? I have been using ubuntu for sometime, but wonder whether it would be better to make switch for my career. Any opinions? |
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| 08:54.07 | nicechap_ | (I know ubuntu is sort of debian based) |
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| 08:54.10 | dgriffi | scratch that... I get a "bluetooth pairing request" on my phone, but nothing more on the Jessie box |
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| 08:54.23 | dgriffi | nicechap_: why are you contemplating a change? |
| 08:54.49 | nicechap_ | mainly, because a friend who is an avid debian user, makes fun of me for using ubuntu... i thought he might know soemthing i dont |
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| 08:55.51 | dgriffi | can anyone help me with this bluetooth problem? |
| 08:56.20 | dgriffi | is anyone actually here? |
| 08:56.23 | nicechap_ | dgriffi: also i am a perl programmer, and hence i would do it if that makes more sense professionaly |
| 08:57.06 | SirLagz | dgriffi: yes, people are actually here |
| 08:57.09 | jluc | people allways manage to find reasons to make fun of others nicechap_ |
| 08:57.14 | jelly | nicechap_: I don't think the choice of workstation OS is really relevant for your career |
| 08:57.38 | dgriffi | nicechap_: does it get the job done and not get in your way? |
| 08:57.51 | nicechap_ | jelly: i would do it if thats what serious companies use and one should be familiar with |
| 08:58.14 | jelly | there are companies using both those distros, and others |
| 08:58.19 | nicechap_ | because there might be moments where you need to know this little thing about the os |
| 08:58.33 | nicechap_ | yeh, so i dont know what the consensus is |
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| 08:58.40 | jluc | this little thing is not the same for everyone |
| 08:59.02 | nicechap_ | hmm |
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| 08:59.21 | jluc | every need, use type, workflow and person lead to different little things that make the difference about the os... or dont |
| 08:59.28 | jelly | nicechap_: so try RHEL and Arch and FreeBSD, use each of 3-6 months, and see which parts are the same and which are different |
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| 09:00.19 | RoyK | jelly: RHEL is a wee bit expensive, though, perhaps CentOS? ;) |
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| 09:00.58 | jelly | RoyK: I know it's expensive, it's also what "serious companies" can afford |
| 09:01.05 | pyface | nicechap_: i used ubuntu for quite some time... debian was a lil rough round the edges. it has since become pretty polished and easy to use. youll learn a bit more with debian. but i wouldnt say its a big jump |
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| 09:01.42 | dgriffi | could someone walk me through pairing something with Jessie through bluetooth? I don't know if I found a bug or not. |
| 09:01.43 | RoyK | jelly: hehe - redhat has spent half a year fixing a bug in the ixgbe driver making it report zero bytes transmitted in all statistics |
| 09:02.04 | RoyK | jelly: or more - think the bug came in in rhel6 around october |
| 09:02.36 | RoyK | so my munin graphs look a bit funny |
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| 09:03.35 | snarespenguin | nicechap_: I pmed you |
| 09:03.59 | dgriffi | does anyone in here know about bluetooth? |
| 09:04.03 | RoyK | nicechap_: redhat is the big one on Professional Linux For Those Who Distrust True Open Distros. I just use debian. works for me |
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| 09:05.49 | user01010101 | hi all! i just installed "pure" debian without any desktop environment and SSH server. Then i installed zip, unzip, p7zip, bzip2, x-window-system and fluxbox. Now i started fluxbox, but i see that there are some programs: games, calculator, python v2.7. Are they come with fluxbox or they preinstalled in base debian? i just wanted to have "clean" system without any programs that i don't need. Thats why i did it all |
| 09:05.52 | RoyK | nicechap_: you can get professional support for most distros, probably cheaper than redhat |
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| 09:21.53 | lxsameer | hey guys, I installed elastic search but it won't run without any log or error message, how can i debug this ? |
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| 09:23.27 | ghormoon | Can i somehow make numlock on boot without modifing initramfs myself (i.e. is there something i can set and update-initramfs)? It is on in grub, but at point initramfs is loaded it goes off. I tend to forget that when entering luks password :) |
| 09:23.45 | dgriffi | lxsameer: doubtful any help will be forthcoming. People just come and go in here. |
| 09:24.40 | ghormoon | lxsameer: how long did you wait? :P last time i tried it it was way more than i usually wait until ctrl-c :)) |
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| 09:25.27 | lxsameer | ghormoon: it instantly return with "ok" status, |
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| 09:26.52 | ghormoon | Check the initscript/unitfile itself, if it runs it correctly |
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| 09:30.41 | lxsameer | ghormoon: it seems that it has some issues with this line '. /lib/lsb/init-functions' |
| 09:30.53 | lxsameer | is there any changes on this in debian sid |
| 09:32.18 | ghormoon | no idea, I just remember collegue had problem with it on rhel, maybe it's feature of elastic it won't start correctly :P |
| 09:32.55 | lxsameer | ghormoon: :)) thanks |
| 09:33.11 | dgriffi | can anyone here explain why Blueman in Debian Jessie refuses to pair up with an android phone? |
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| 09:41.10 | dgriffi | anyone? |
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| 09:51.55 | jmd | I think I have a dependency issue. My network mounts do not get mounted |
| 09:51.55 | jmd | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:51.56 | jmd | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:51.59 | jmd | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:53.52 | dgriffi | can anyone here explain why Blueman in Debian Jessie refuses to pair up with an android phone? |
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| 10:01.58 | BuzzardBuzz | https://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser/a2dp |
| 10:02.53 | BuzzardBuzz | is this the bluetooth package that is giving you your bluetooth issue? |
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| 10:05.57 | BuzzardBuzz | jmd: are your mounts being attemted in fstab and if so are you using the option _netdev? |
| 10:06.11 | BuzzardBuzz | *attempted |
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| 10:12.20 | jmd | BuzzardBuzz: yes, and yes |
| 10:14.04 | BuzzardBuzz | are you using ip addresses instead of hostnames to identify the network paths to the shares? |
| 10:14.45 | jmd | No. |
| 10:15.16 | BuzzardBuzz | usually that will correct the type of problem you are having |
| 10:15.16 | jmd | The problem seems to be, that NetworkManager doesn't get started until AFTER the mounts |
| 10:15.51 | jmd | So I the interface is not up, when it attempts to mount. |
| 10:16.24 | BuzzardBuzz | the _netdev option delays the mount until the network interface is up but the hostname resolution can take much longer to establish |
| 10:17.21 | jmd | I doubt it. But I wil try it with the ip address and see if that works ... |
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| 10:18.05 | BuzzardBuzz | i have always had the same issue unless i use ip addresses |
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| 10:18.37 | jmd | Rebooting that machine now |
| 10:19.40 | jmd | No. No difference. |
| 10:20.13 | jmd | The logs show that indeed, the network interface is not getting set up until MUCH later. |
| 10:20.26 | BuzzardBuzz | and now mount -a works fine? |
| 10:20.40 | jmd | yes. |
| 10:21.31 | BuzzardBuzz | so then you edit your rc.local and mount your stuff and all is happy? |
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| 10:21.47 | jmd | So I need to make sure that NetworkManager runs first. But I have no idea how to do that in Systemd |
| 10:22.36 | jmd | I thought rc.local was obsolete these days. |
| 10:22.38 | BuzzardBuzz | so the network is still not up by the time your system get to rc.local things? |
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| 10:23.35 | BuzzardBuzz | it should be the last things that are getting done, and the mounts will work fine from there |
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| 10:24.51 | jmd | I'll try putting mount -a in /etc/rc.local |
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| 10:26.39 | jmd | Yes, that works (but seems like a horrible kludge to me). |
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| 10:27.23 | BuzzardBuzz | well you can read on google that you are not the only one that has needed to do it that way |
| 10:27.52 | jmd | Yeah I guess it is the easiest way. |
| 10:28.12 | jmd | (nobody knows how to use systemd) |
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| 10:29.56 | {ssl} | are there special programs that are for debian use only |
| 10:30.03 | jmd | yes |
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| 10:30.13 | jmd | apt for example. |
| 10:30.16 | {ssl} | something that no other distribution has? |
| 10:30.18 | {ssl} | oh |
| 10:30.23 | xingu | jmd: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=162236 #2 maybe? |
| 10:30.23 | {ssl} | i know that already |
| 10:30.37 | jmd | and dpkg |
| 10:31.11 | jmd | {ssl}: Of course, distos derived from debian might have them. |
| 10:31.31 | xingu | jmd: back in the day (and this is a long time before even sol10 was a twinkle in someone's eye...) I used to deal with this exact dep by switching mounts to automount |
| 10:34.07 | {ssl} | some vps hasnt upraded their template yet to debian 8 |
| 10:34.38 | {ssl} | thus being stuck on the old stable |
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| 10:57.43 | aliusd | Hi. (help)... I have had weird access issues, and I picked it up on awstats, can't get to the logs right now, but am wondering if anyone can help me work out what's going on with something. |
| 10:57.57 | aliusd | (httpd access) |
| 10:58.27 | aliusd | http://cairns.indywatch.org/aliasstats.html |
| 10:58.39 | aliusd | down the bottom, search keyphrases, the one in the middle |
| 10:58.51 | aliusd | <https //team01.raytheon.com/eroom/raymembers_room001/informationcenter> |
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| 11:01.30 | blackflow | aliusd: heard of referal spam? |
| 11:02.12 | aliusd | yes, but this is a weird link to refer to |
| 11:02.32 | blackflow | or is not a link at all but some bot probing for proxy vulns |
| 11:02.56 | aliusd | it's one of the largest military contractors in the world |
| 11:03.05 | aliusd | looks like they had a slip in the code |
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| 11:03.16 | blackflow | the "search" list of awstats and webalizer are just assumptions, they look at referer url query, which can be forged, and present that as search |
| 11:03.57 | blackflow | also, one could assume that "one of the largest military contractors" would be a constant target of attacks |
| 11:04.16 | blackflow | the entire internet being a battle ground through various vuln probes |
| 11:04.29 | aliusd | 209.147.118.51 - - [13/Jun/2015:22:31:44 +1000] "GET /archiver/cairns.indywatch.org/resources/timemachine/2015/131/index.html HTTP/1.1" 200 128930 "http://www.bing.com/search?q=%3Chttps%3A%2F%2Fteam01.raytheon.com%2FeRoom%2FRayMembers_Room001%2FInformationCenter%3E&form=MSNH14&sc=8-4&sp=-1&qs=n&sk=" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; MSIE 9.0; Windows NT 6.1; Trident/5.0; Trident/5.0)" |
| 11:05.10 | blackflow | it's safe to ignore that |
| 11:05.12 | aliusd | that search doesn't point to the page |
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| 11:05.40 | aliusd | yea, less weird I giess that I thought, but still, odd |
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| 11:06.40 | blackflow | could be spam probing for bing vulns by appearing in random servers log hoping some admin would click to see wth is that about :) |
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| 11:08.05 | blackflow | didja click? |
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| 11:10.11 | aliusd | it expands to https://webauth.raytheon.com/siteminderagent/pwcgi/smpwservicescgi.exe?TYPE=33554432&REALMOID=06-00071311-0bae-1125-8008-8316bb79ffbe&GUID=&SMAUTHREASON=0&METHOD=GET&SMAGENTNAME=-SM-WqflCiNZfoQyrLYgydYWxYnhQLrCyaTRmFGcTmmQWskt89oAAZC5i7g0n5bwNMd%2b&TARGET=-SM-https%3a%2f%2fteam01%2eraytheon%2ecom%2feroom%2fraymembers_room001%2finformationcenter |
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| 11:10.20 | aliusd | it's behind a login |
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| 11:11.58 | blackflow | see how referer spam is a self propagating virus? :) you just posted it here in IRC. Someone else might click or a bot would log this publicly and it would just keep spreading.... |
| 11:12.36 | aliusd | :) |
| 11:12.49 | aliusd | I see now |
| 11:13.13 | blackflow | It could be raytheon themselves, with that target page carrying a zero vuln for browsers and bam whoever clicks becomes part of the botnet. |
| 11:13.35 | aliusd | i wgetted it |
| 11:14.08 | blackflow | someone else might just click, that's the whole point of referer spam. ;) |
| 11:14.36 | aliusd | it looks like a pretty standard login page |
| 11:15.18 | aliusd | i hope it didn't pwn my cat :) |
| 11:15.26 | blackflow | lol |
| 11:15.41 | blackflow | also, such landing sites might present different content depending on the UA |
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| 11:16.31 | aliusd | yea, indeed, there's a lot of interesting info on that link up there |
| 11:16.56 | aliusd | like in the url |
| 11:17.00 | aliusd | itself |
| 11:17.05 | aliusd | (DO NOT CLICK) |
| 11:17.47 | aliusd | not yet a jedi |
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| 11:19.25 | sudo | Do Debian use systemd by default ? |
| 11:19.38 | knivsta | sudo, si |
| 11:19.45 | sudo | si ? |
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| 11:20.04 | fennesz | guys I am following this guide to install virtualbox on my debian system (jessie) . deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ jessie main contrib |
| 11:20.08 | jelly | sudo: yes. oui. da. |
| 11:20.12 | blackflow | sudo: Debian Jessie does |
| 11:20.23 | fennesz | whith this deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ jessie main contrib i get deb command not found |
| 11:20.46 | blackflow | because it's not a command but an entry for apt sources |
| 11:20.56 | sudo | knivsta: jelly which language is that :) would be glad to know about that :) |
| 11:21.03 | jelly | fennesz: that's a line for /etc/apt/sources.list config file |
| 11:21.04 | fennesz | ok so I should change the sources.list |
| 11:21.07 | sudo | blackflow: :) |
| 11:21.19 | fennesz | yes I got it - i'm stupid |
| 11:21.20 | jelly | dpkg, tell fennesz about contrib |
| 11:21.21 | fennesz | thank you |
| 11:21.22 | knivsta | sudo, I don't know :) I meant Yes |
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| 11:21.39 | sudo | damn Debian 8 is out, when i used Debian last it was Wheezy version 5 something... |
| 11:21.45 | sudo | knivsta: hehe |
| 11:21.55 | user01010101 | hi all! is it ok to install all programs by one command like : "aptitude install alsa-utils vlc okular krusade" ? |
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| 11:22.37 | linux-fox | !tell linux-fox about contrib |
| 11:22.39 | sudo | user01010101: yes why not |
| 11:22.42 | jelly | user01010101: yes, absolutely |
| 11:22.42 | knivsta | sudo, did you recently switch to Jessie? |
| 11:23.08 | sudo | knivsta: no i want to install Jessie to my home server |
| 11:23.09 | blackflow | sudo: Debian Wheezy version 8 something is still supported though |
| 11:23.20 | knivsta | ok |
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| 11:23.44 | sudo | nice blackflow |
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| 11:25.22 | jelly | blackflow: wheezy is 7 not 8 |
| 11:25.33 | jelly | (or 5) |
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| 11:25.36 | linux-fox | knivsta: your home server? what service is it running? |
| 11:25.37 | blackflow | jelly: 7.8 |
| 11:25.51 | jelly | that's still 7 |
| 11:25.53 | blackflow | I thought sudo was talking about 7.5 |
| 11:26.12 | jelly | hmm, that may well be |
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| 11:26.14 | blackflow | jelly: it's a coincidence, that .8 |
| 11:26.21 | linux-fox | i am using wheezy as my server and desktop |
| 11:26.28 | sudo | i don't exactly remember as it's been quite a time so... |
| 11:26.30 | blackflow | jelly: because wheezy is not 5 but 7 :) |
| 11:26.46 | sudo | what was the codename for 5 ? |
| 11:27.37 | tracphil | lenny |
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| 11:28.02 | linux-fox | now, wheezy will be a lts(long term support) version? |
| 11:28.53 | sudo | tracphil: ok :) |
| 11:29.24 | blackflow | linux-fox: I don't think it has been officially decided, but I guess that'd make sense since Jessie brings in systemd |
| 11:29.35 | tracphil | https://wiki.debian.org/LTS |
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| 11:30.11 | tracphil | The LTS folk take over all releases |
| 11:30.31 | tracphil | stable releases I mean |
| 11:32.14 | blackflow | that's interesting, so they want to LTS-ify all the stables since Squeeze? |
| 11:34.55 | tracphil | blackflow: yes. Some companies expect long term support for the OS. Once a system is built, its hard to get the project migrated to a new sever. |
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| 11:35.36 | tracphil | We have been trying to get off Solaris for years... have 3-4 servers still which have been EOL'd and they still will not move |
| 11:35.46 | blackflow | tracphil: I work for one such company, but we prefer upgrading. Critical services are in failover pairs anyway, so it's simple. |
| 11:35.51 | tracphil | so we support them as best effort cases with no expections beyond that. |
| 11:35.51 | MOZGIII | hello, I can't find menu.c32 for PXE boot anywhere in jessie, any hints? |
| 11:36.13 | blackflow | we jessified all our wheezies with a few minor issues, but all went well. |
| 11:36.14 | tracphil | blackflow: I prefer to keep it rolling as well. |
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| 11:36.56 | tracphil | We are a RHEL/CentOS shop where I work, but for everything I do, I use Debian. |
| 11:37.04 | tracphil | Except my laptop... Ubuntu. |
| 11:37.12 | blackflow | yeah my workstation is ubuntu too :) |
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| 11:37.43 | tracphil | blackflow: I learned a long time ago, use the best tool for the job. They are nothing but tools. |
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| 11:39.23 | tracphil | A little off topic here but might be of interst. I bought an HP Chromebook with a 32G SSD/4G of ram, put Ubuntu on it and I am not looking back. I bought it off Woot for $249 after a friend did the same. |
| 11:40.08 | blackflow | tracphil: true. and after years of novelty of various systems/distros wearing off, you just want to use the thing and move the os out of the way |
| 11:40.14 | tracphil | My MacBook Pro is just sitting behind this one collecting dust. |
| 11:40.25 | tracphil | blackflow: Sooooo TRUE. |
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| 11:41.12 | tremon | MOZGIII: it's in syslinux-common |
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| 11:42.16 | MOZGIII | tremon, there are a bunch of dynamically linked binaries for bios/efi32/efi64 - how do I use them? any tips on that |
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| 11:43.03 | MOZGIII | tremon, should I just copy versions for bios into the pxe server? |
| 11:43.53 | tremon | that's probably the right solution, yes. But I don't use it except to pxeboot debian's installer, so can't really help you much further |
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| 11:44.34 | MOZGIII | tremon, ok, thanks |
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| 11:54.00 | cantoma | hey guys, I have installed secpanel but SFTP seems to be disabled. I did use it in the past and I was wondering if there is any dependency missing, in case you know. |
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| 11:59.25 | blackflow | cantoma: I don't know about secpanel, but sftp (ftp over ssh) is part of OpenSSH, so a matter of configuration. |
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| 11:59.56 | cantoma | blackflow, I have managed to find the missing dependency. Its filezilla |
| 11:59.59 | cantoma | thanks |
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| 12:38.58 | nciardo | hi guys... what's that --> http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.1.0/i386/iso-cd/debian-mac-8.1.0-i386-netinst.iso ? |
| 12:39.16 | nciardo | debian-mac ? uhm ? |
| 12:40.17 | cast_ | with an apt-get download, is package downloaded verified to have the correct checksum, or is that only done when installing? |
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| 12:40.55 | alesan | hello |
| 12:41.13 | alesan | I have put "/dev/sda1 /mnt ext4 noauto,noatime 0 2" inside fstab |
| 12:41.32 | alesan | /dev/sda would be a external USB drive |
| 12:42.02 | alesan | problem is, if the drive is not connected, the system will not boot, waiting for a ctrl+D or root password on the consoleù |
| 12:42.23 | alesan | I was under the impression that the "noauto" option would prevent this |
| 12:42.36 | alesan | advice? |
| 12:44.43 | alesan | hello |
| 12:44.45 | alesan | am I connected? |
| 12:44.57 | alesan | /ping alesan |
| 12:45.56 | bieyeik2aX | yes you are |
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| 12:47.00 | SPF | alesan: I suggest you install your boot loader on your internal hard disk rather than the usb drive |
| 12:47.13 | SPF | alesan: and use uuid |
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| 12:47.17 | SPF | !tell alesan about uuid |
| 12:47.54 | bieyeik2aX | !tell bieyeik2aX about uuid |
| 12:47.57 | bieyeik2aX | :D |
| 12:48.15 | bieyeik2aX | tell me about uuid |
| 12:48.36 | SPF | !tell bieyeik2aX about uuid |
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| 12:48.43 | bieyeik2aX | :D |
| 12:48.46 | bieyeik2aX | thanks |
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| 12:49.02 | SPF | you can also pm dpkg with your questions |
| 12:49.28 | blackflow | does the bot have a manual? |
| 12:49.54 | SPF | no, just feed it common words and it will give more suggestions |
| 12:50.01 | bieyeik2aX | good to know SPF, thanks again |
| 12:50.09 | SPF | but you can always use the command man |
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| 12:53.21 | RoyK | alesan: why noatime? |
| 12:53.25 | blackflow | SPF: k thanks |
| 12:53.27 | alesan | SPF, my bootloader is on an internal device. This is an external hdd |
| 12:53.38 | alesan | RoyK, I do not need it... |
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| 12:54.04 | SPF | alesan: change your bios to boot from internal hdd |
| 12:54.36 | alesan | bieyeik2aX, I do not wish to use a UUID, but mount any external USB hdd |
| 12:55.03 | RoyK | alesan: relatime (the default) should do fine for most ppl |
| 12:55.37 | alesan | Linux boot is fine. Debian's init however, does not like that disk is not present and asks for a ctrl+D to continue. |
| 12:55.55 | SPF|Cloud | oh hi SPF (you are me without the |Cloud lololol >_>) |
| 12:56.06 | zinx | alesan: remove it from the fstab, use a volume manager |
| 12:56.32 | RoyK | zinx: noauto should work, though |
| 12:56.37 | zinx | yes, it should |
| 12:56.40 | alesan | zinx, OK... but it seems overkill |
| 12:56.56 | zinx | alesan: if you want any external USB hdd, then not really.. that's precisely what volume managers are designed for |
| 12:57.31 | alesan | well, I just do not understand why I cannot put it on fastb |
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| 12:57.48 | alesan | any volume manager that does not have any X dependency? |
| 12:57.49 | zinx | i don't know why noauto wouldn't work, other than maybe bad syntax in fstab |
| 12:57.52 | alesan | I am curious now |
| 12:57.55 | SPF | if you disable boot from USB, the the issue is solved as well right? |
| 12:58.07 | RoyK | alesan: lemme do some testing... |
| 12:58.24 | alesan | SPF this device cannot boot from USB. It boots from Uboot from an internal NAND. |
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| 12:59.00 | alesan | well, technically U-boot would allow to boot from USB, but it's not what it's configured for |
| 12:59.34 | alesan | RoyK, thanks :) |
| 12:59.42 | zinx | alesan: pmount comes to mind, but it doesn't automount |
| 13:00.06 | alesan | zinx, I do not need automount... I mount and umount from my scripts only when needed |
| 13:00.37 | zinx | alesan: you don't need anything in the fstab to use mount/umount as root |
| 13:00.37 | alesan | I just wish to use fatsb as a place where mount options are kept instead of having to repeat them every time |
| 13:01.12 | alesan | zinx, I do not need, you are right, but fstab is still useful to map a mount point to a device and to have default options |
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| 13:01.18 | zinx | alesan: i hope you are mounting by port then, as the device node is unpredictable in linux |
| 13:01.18 | ShalokShalom_ | 7 is stable and 8 unofficial ? |
| 13:01.20 | ShalokShalom_ | http://live.debian.net/cdimage/release/stable+nonfree/amd64/iso-hybrid/ |
| 13:01.35 | ShalokShalom_ | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/8.1.0-live+nonfree/amd64/ |
| 13:01.43 | zinx | ShalokShalom_: jessie is the current stable |
| 13:01.48 | ShalokShalom_ | i know |
| 13:01.52 | ShalokShalom_ | your webpage not :P |
| 13:01.55 | ShalokShalom_ | *the |
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| 13:03.31 | pokkerface | hi everyone , I have a little issue with my debian installation |
| 13:03.49 | pokkerface | and I do not know how to find a workaround |
| 13:04.18 | pokkerface | did not fin anything useful in google either |
| 13:04.56 | mtn | !ask |
| 13:04.56 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 13:04.58 | zykotick9 | pokkerface: i'd suggest providing some details about what your issue is... |
| 13:05.13 | pokkerface | my problem is that I have a laptop with a monitor connected through hdmi |
| 13:05.24 | zinx | doesn't sound like much of a problem to me |
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| 13:05.43 | pokkerface | on startup my laptop screen is not "recognized" |
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| 13:06.00 | zinx | ah, that would be |
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| 13:06.24 | pokkerface | I go to display settings and when I "touch" the configuration I get it working |
| 13:06.39 | pokkerface | both screens appear on the displays section |
| 13:06.39 | RoyK | alesan: just tested in a vm - created a small (3x1GB) raid-5, put lvm on it and a filesystem (xfs), mounted, added to fstab with 'noauto' and rebooted, not mounted. stopped the raid, wiped it and rebooted. still no problem. I had this line in fstab '/dev/raidtest/raidtest /raidtest xfs noauto 0 0' |
| 13:07.10 | RoyK | alesan: how does your fstab line look? |
| 13:07.28 | alesan | well it was: |
| 13:07.40 | alesan | /dev/sda1 /mnt ext4 noauto,noatime 0 2 |
| 13:07.45 | alesan | now I also tried with: |
| 13:07.53 | pokkerface | if I logout, my laptop screen "turns off" |
| 13:07.57 | RoyK | change the 2 to 0 |
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| 13:08.03 | alesan | /dev/sda1 /mnt ext4 defaults,noauto 0 2 |
| 13:08.09 | alesan | and the problem still persistsù |
| 13:08.31 | RoyK | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:08.44 | pokkerface | sorry I am a newbie... and the issue is quite strange... |
| 13:08.49 | alesan | RoyK, OK hold on |
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| 13:08.53 | alesan | rebooting... |
| 13:08.58 | RoyK | 'defaults' is just a placeholder if you've got nothing else you want to put in |
| 13:09.19 | alesan | ye it was just a test |
| 13:09.31 | alesan | ok now it works! |
| 13:09.37 | alesan | can you explain RoyK ? |
| 13:09.38 | RoyK | '2' there says 'fsck pass 2', and then fsck fails on it |
| 13:09.47 | pokkerface | any idea? |
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| 13:10.21 | alesan | while with pass 0 fschk does not check? |
| 13:10.25 | RoyK | alesan: man fstab ;) |
| 13:10.30 | RoyK | bingo |
| 13:10.39 | alesan | OK I did not know that |
| 13:10.45 | RoyK | now you do :) |
| 13:10.53 | alesan | I hope so |
| 13:10.58 | alesan | nice, thanks! |
| 13:11.06 | RoyK | np |
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| 13:11.26 | nebbia | hello everyone... why when i do modprobe -l to show all available modules it tells me "invalid options" |
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| 13:11.36 | nebbia | can't understand... i made a modprobe --version and it tells me "kmod version 20" |
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| 13:12.07 | RoyK | nebbia: lsmod? |
| 13:12.20 | nebbia | but lsmod should list me all installed modules ? |
| 13:12.32 | tremon | nebbia: where did you find -l in man modprobe? |
| 13:12.32 | nebbia | while i read that modprobe -l should give me all available modules |
| 13:12.41 | valdyn | nebbia: where did you read that? |
| 13:12.45 | jelly | nebbia: my modprobe manual shows no -l option al all |
| 13:12.45 | nebbia | i was watching a video online on a linux course... |
| 13:12.52 | nebbia | yes mine too... |
| 13:13.07 | jelly | commands change with time |
| 13:13.16 | nebbia | it's the LPIC certification program... he didn't specify the distro |
| 13:13.21 | alesan | wow I am tired after this debug. I used to be more resistant than that |
| 13:13.22 | Equa | try modprobe -a |
| 13:13.24 | nebbia | but i see in the video something like ubuntu |
| 13:13.31 | alesan | thanks! bye |
| 13:13.38 | jelly | nebbia: list the contents of your kernel package, instead |
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| 13:13.50 | nebbia | how ? jelly |
| 13:14.04 | jelly | nebbia: dpkg -L package-name |
| 13:14.17 | pokkerface | my laptop screen is like "turned off" if I have the hdmi cable connected on startup , how can I solve this? |
| 13:14.19 | nebbia | ok but what i put in package name ? |
| 13:14.24 | pokkerface | is there any log I can check |
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| 13:14.41 | nebbia | modprobe -a : missing parameters... wtf ??? |
| 13:14.44 | blackflow | pokkerface: I think it's power options. You're talking about screens turning off when you lock/logout? |
| 13:15.07 | pokkerface | blackflow, yes |
| 13:15.08 | jelly | nebbia: dpkg -S /boot/vmlinuz-* will tell you which packages brought those kernels |
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| 13:15.23 | nebbia | ok so it is equivalent ?? jelly thank you |
| 13:15.26 | valdyn | no, its what most graphic cards do by default - display only on one output |
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| 13:16.08 | ghormoon | Is there a way with apt to package all dependencies in a tar or something? I've forgot to install iw on a laptop and I dont have ethernet here, so i need to do apt-over-flashdisk :)) |
| 13:16.22 | jelly | nebbia: mostly equivalent. Modules are under /lib/modules, but kernel packages also have some other stuff in them (like kernels, and some documentation) |
| 13:16.23 | valdyn | !apt-zip |
| 13:16.23 | dpkg | Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media. Just aptitude install apt-zip and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip, or ask me about <apt offline> <apt-walkabout>. http://wiki.debian.org/AptZip |
| 13:16.37 | blackflow | pokkerface: I think it's a feature in the latest gnome. If there's any place to configure it, try the power management or that tweak tool whatsitcalled |
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| 13:17.56 | pokkerface | blackflow, what is strange is that on startup I dont see the laptop screen |
| 13:19.49 | blackflow | pokkerface: that'de be display management, out of my experitse. oldschool like me would go for xorg.conf but I don't think that should apply nowadays. |
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| 13:23.27 | pokkerface | blackflow, no idea .. it should be an automatic conf as I can turn on the laptop with or without the hdmi connected |
| 13:24.16 | blackflow | pokkerface: I guess it's the question of which is reported to the OS as primary |
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| 13:27.12 | pokkerface | blackflow, on the login screen I cant see the textfield to put the password as it is on the left (laptop screen 1) but I see the second screen fine... really weird |
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| 13:47.24 | srg | I have to buy a new wireless card (my current one doesn't work in linux). Is there a list of the best chipsets/cards that work with free software (not non-free)? |
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| 13:49.51 | Gaming4JC | Does anyone know if Icedove is still being worked on? I noticed the latest version is 31.7.0 - However, the current Thunderbird build is at https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/38.0.1/releasenotes/ |
| 13:50.17 | srg | Gaming4JC: http://mozilla.debian.net/ may help |
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| 13:50.35 | srg | I think the releases are based on esr |
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| 13:51.13 | Gaming4JC | srg: Thanks. Yes I think so too, but I think 38 is latest ESR (they fixed Gmail and IMAP issues currently affecting my IceDove) |
| 13:51.14 | Gaming4JC | :) |
| 13:51.19 | srg | ahh |
| 13:51.33 | srg | I installed firefox manually from the tarball, I didn't use any packaging |
| 13:51.40 | srg | I'm not sure about thunderbird. |
| 13:51.44 | srg | Maybe that website will help |
| 13:52.02 | srg | I use Claws-Mail |
| 13:52.38 | Gaming4JC | srg: Claws-Mail is really good, but I've heard sylpheed is slightly more up-to-date (not currently using it so I'm not sure) |
| 13:54.04 | Gaming4JC | fyi: "Thunderbird 38.0.1 contains underlying code that is based off of Firefox 38.0.1esr. There was no Thunderbird 38.0 release." |
| 13:54.18 | Gaming4JC | so must be ESR |
| 13:54.19 | Gaming4JC | :) |
| 13:56.03 | Gaming4JC | slight change of topic... I'm getting tired of Firefox too. It feels like everytime I install I have to spend hours disabling anti-features. |
| 13:56.42 | Gaming4JC | I dunno what gives with Mozilla lately... but they're kind of ruining FF and letting Thunderbird go maintained |
| 13:56.43 | Gaming4JC | :/ |
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| 13:58.00 | srg | I still prefer firefox. Chromium just got "caught" putting automatic audio detection code in their releases...(or something like that which invades privacy) |
| 13:58.29 | srg | I use noscript, refcontrol, ublock, https-everywhere, and toggle-proxy (used with a ssh proxy) |
| 13:58.33 | srg | and itw orks pretty great. |
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| 13:58.44 | JohnnyL | how do you pair a bluetooth keyboard under debian? |
| 13:59.03 | srg | anyway, I gotta run out to Microcenter to see if I can find a linux-compatable wireless-N card. |
| 13:59.05 | srg | bbl |
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| 14:01.00 | Gaming4JC | wow audio detection code? :O |
| 14:01.02 | Gaming4JC | alright cu |
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| 14:02.06 | Gaming4JC | JohnnyL: http://pixelchaos.net/2008/09/26/set-up-a-bluetooth-keyboard-in-debian-etch/ (older but should still be the same process as I remember it) |
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| 14:04.50 | JohnnyL | Gaming4JC: thats old. |
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| 14:05.08 | JohnnyL | bluetooth addr doesn't have any result. |
| 14:05.32 | JohnnyL | and only bluez exists not bluez-utils |
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| 14:06.06 | Gaming4JC | let me see... afaik hcitool scan hasn't been updated in forever but still works |
| 14:06.13 | Gaming4JC | goes to find bluez packages |
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| 14:06.43 | tremon | JohnnyL: you need bluetoothctl. Don't know how to pair a keyboard (and persist the pairing), but pairing a headset was pretty straightforward |
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| 14:07.19 | Gaming4JC | JohnnyL: Which version are you running? Stable has the bluez-utils package |
| 14:07.31 | Gaming4JC | https://packages.debian.org/jessie/bluez-tools |
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| 14:09.33 | JohnnyL | Failed to pair: org.bluez.Error.AuthenticationCanceled |
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| 14:10.20 | Gaming4JC | sounds like pin-code pop-up failed |
| 14:10.27 | tremon | make sure bluetoothctl is set to be the bluetooth agent. (i.e. agent on) |
| 14:10.35 | JohnnyL | it's not popping up a pair code. |
| 14:11.20 | JohnnyL | it sees it though. |
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| 14:11.53 | Gaming4JC | try at your own risk: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/12888589/linux-command-line-howto-accept-pairing-for-bluetooth-device-without-pin |
| 14:11.54 | Gaming4JC | :p |
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| 14:14.14 | JohnnyL | hcitool cc 70:10:00:34:45:00 |
| 14:14.14 | JohnnyL | Can't create connection: Input/output error |
| 14:14.37 | JohnnyL | bbl |
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| 14:17.50 | Gaming4JC | JohnnyL: So rude. According to one troubleshooter "Your BT keyboard should be useable now, even if an error message ("Can't create connection: Input/output error") is shown. " |
| 14:17.58 | Gaming4JC | of course you're gone now so..... |
| 14:18.00 | Gaming4JC | :p |
| 14:18.24 | ghormoon | Hm, i've thought when i'll install iw it will connect .. what did i miss? i have firmware-iwlwifi and iw installed, connecting to open wifi using /etc/network/interfaces (that needs, just iface wlan0 inet dhcp\n\twireless-essid name, right?) |
| 14:18.39 | ghormoon | I've always had debians on this hw, so it should be supported |
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| 14:19.16 | ghormoon | In dmesg i have L1 disabled - LTR disabled |
| 14:21.26 | Gaming4JC | ghormoon: if your inet interface is eth0... " iw dev wlan0 link" |
| 14:21.36 | Gaming4JC | some cheat sheet commands for iw: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Wireless_network_configuration#Manual_setup |
| 14:22.04 | Gaming4JC | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:22.17 | Gaming4JC | should work - followed by verifying the link |
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| 14:25.36 | ghormoon | Gaming4JC: command failed: network is down (-100) - both for connect and scan :( |
| 14:25.47 | ghormoon | Nothing in dmesg when i scan |
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| 14:26.25 | Gaming4JC | ghormoon: " iw - only supports the nl80211 (netlink) standard. It does not support the older WEXT (Wireless EXTentions) standard. If iw does not see your card, this may be the reason." |
| 14:26.26 | Gaming4JC | :/ |
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| 14:27.31 | ghormoon | In info it sees it |
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| 14:28.19 | Gaming4JC | ghormoon: hmm... |
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| 14:28.32 | Gaming4JC | ghormoon: what card is it by chance? Some need more firmware. |
| 14:29.14 | Gaming4JC | dmesg | grep ieee80211 <-- should say if you're not sure |
| 14:29.15 | Gaming4JC | :) |
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| 14:30.31 | ghormoon | ieee80211 phy0:Selected rate control algorithm 'iwl-agn-rs' |
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| 14:33.26 | Gaming4JC | ghormoon: try dmesg | grep iwlagn |
| 14:33.36 | Gaming4JC | since that only gave us the driver version (not the card specs) |
| 14:33.57 | blackflow | Are there any adverse effects of mounting /tmp as noexec to apt-get? |
| 14:34.06 | ghormoon | Its Intel Centrino Advanced-N 6205 AGN |
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| 14:34.34 | Gaming4JC | ghormoon: Yes but there should be additional output if something breaks. e.g. iwlagn 0000:02:00.0: Radio disabled by HW RF Kill switch |
| 14:35.22 | ghormoon | It shows rfkill, I've tried toggling it off and on :) |
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| 14:36.23 | ghormoon | Maybe this is relevant: can't disable ASPM; OS doesn't have ASPM control |
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| 14:36.35 | JohnnyL | http://pastebin.com/Q6HRhaht |
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| 14:36.37 | JohnnyL | sucks |
| 14:37.10 | ghormoon | and it loaded firmware iwlwifi-6000g2a-6.ucode |
| 14:37.34 | Gaming4JC | ghormoon: I don't think that would prevent you from loading the wifi: https://askubuntu.com/questions/372363/what-does-r8169-cant-disable-aspm-os-doesnt-have-aspm-control-really-mean |
| 14:37.37 | Gaming4JC | power saving feature |
| 14:38.00 | Gaming4JC | ghormoon: So rfkill message is toggled to off right? e.g. radio is not disabled |
| 14:38.07 | Gaming4JC | if you get a HW rfkill |
| 14:38.14 | ghormoon | Tried both |
| 14:38.15 | Gaming4JC | the only way to fix is FN key + Wifi button on keyboard |
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| 14:38.29 | ghormoon | I have dedicated button for that |
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| 14:39.28 | Gaming4JC | ghormoon: okay, just make sure that wifi light is on - and that no RF Kill errors in the dmesg then (we should be safe) |
| 14:39.39 | ghormoon | Yup, that seems ok |
| 14:39.41 | Gaming4JC | ok |
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| 14:44.50 | Gaming4JC | ghormoon: Another idea is firmware, but if dmesg doesn't say firmware is missing... then you should be okay |
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| 14:45.08 | Gaming4JC | apparently your chipset uses iwl6000g2a driver |
| 14:45.49 | ghormoon | Then it loaded correct one |
| 14:46.05 | Gaming4JC | ok |
| 14:46.26 | ghormoon | Assumng the -6 in the end is version |
| 14:46.42 | Gaming4JC | yes |
| 14:46.46 | Gaming4JC | that is correct one |
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| 14:51.52 | Gaming4JC | ghormoon: There's also a possibility the interface is not wlan0, some atheros chipsets are ath0 |
| 14:52.15 | ghormoon | Hm, I-ve booted another debian (old install im replacing) and it has the same "errors" in dmesg and works |
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| 14:52.45 | ghormoon | Ifup would complain if it wasnt :) |
| 14:53.08 | Gaming4JC | ok |
| 14:53.17 | Gaming4JC | so ifconfig does show wlan0 |
| 14:53.18 | Gaming4JC | interesting |
| 14:53.19 | Gaming4JC | :/ |
| 14:54.51 | Gaming4JC | ghormoon: does " iw dev wlan0 link" work on the old Debian box? |
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| 14:55.10 | ghormoon | Yes |
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| 14:55.32 | ghormoon | Scan works too |
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| 14:55.39 | DexterF | hi |
| 14:55.56 | ghormoon | It's not thatt old, it's jessie too, just it's xen setup i'm replacing with kvm |
| 14:56.11 | Gaming4JC | ghormoon: That's good, it's not a hardware issue then... |
| 14:56.15 | Gaming4JC | DexterF: hi |
| 14:56.34 | Gaming4JC | ghormoon: So what is the exact message given when you try to run " iw dev wlan0 link" on the new box? |
| 14:57.16 | ghormoon | Command failed: network is down (-100) |
| 14:57.27 | Gaming4JC | hmmm |
| 14:57.38 | Gaming4JC | vague message, I was hoping for an error |
| 14:57.39 | Gaming4JC | :p |
| 14:57.44 | ghormoon | Driver version on old is 18.168.6.1, gotta reboot and verify |
| 14:58.14 | DexterF | setting up hardware RAID1 in the BIOS of an Asus M2N-E board (nforce 570 chipset) results in a cryptic device called /dev/<cryptic character torrent> and works, so the raid is recognized and I can partition it etc, but how do I check it's raid status then? |
| 14:59.07 | jelly | DexterF: what the actual device node path? |
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| 14:59.56 | DexterF | jelly: booting, give me a minute |
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| 15:04.49 | ghormoon | Ok, driver is the same, I'm out of ideas. I think argument that wifi doesnt work without xen is not the right one :)) |
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| 15:06.41 | Gaming4JC | ghormoon: lol, yes - me too. Very confusing... |
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| 15:08.17 | ghormoon | another major difference is that the new one has zfs, though that's just module |
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| 15:09.02 | Gaming4JC | zfs is a filesystem type for the hard drive as I recall |
| 15:09.28 | ghormoon | Yup, but zfsonlinux needs to build kernel modules |
| 15:09.49 | ghormoon | Not likely related, just thinking of major differences in the installs |
| 15:10.03 | Gaming4JC | ah |
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| 15:12.37 | ghormoon | Also another difference that i forgot how to fix is that on the new, initramfs turns off numlock :/ |
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| 15:15.28 | Gaming4JC | yes, I have that problem too xD |
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| 15:16.25 | ghormoon | It only bbothers me bacuse of luks, i can't turn it on automatically before that. Maybe by manually editing the initramfs |
| 15:17.06 | ghormoon | Also i should fix/disable ipv6, it waits way too long on boot |
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| 15:18.11 | ghormoon | Heh, now when i've chaged back to the new setup, it works. Maybe iw neeed reboot? |
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| 15:19.12 | Gaming4JC | ?? wow |
| 15:19.22 | Gaming4JC | no idea, but that's great |
| 15:19.23 | Gaming4JC | :) |
| 15:21.53 | ghormoon | Though ifup doesn't connect it |
| 15:22.06 | ghormoon | Iw does if done manually |
| 15:22.24 | Gaming4JC | sounds like a bug there somewhere |
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| 15:25.13 | dontknow | anyone here can build iceweasel with march=native flag? |
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| 15:27.57 | ghormoon | I've install wireless-tools and now ifup works too :) |
| 15:28.03 | srg | I'm installing debian with the net installer. My wireless card requires non-free firmware. I downloaded the correct firmware .deb from packages.debian.org and saved it on a USB drive (fat32 formatted) but the installer doesn't detect it. |
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| 15:30.24 | DexterF | jelly: /dev/mapper/nvidia_cjcdccdf1 |
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| 15:32.34 | jelly | DexterF: that sounds like dm-raid, not hardware raid |
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| 15:33.22 | DexterF | jelly: /proc/mdstat done not list anything. |
| 15:33.38 | jelly | yeah, dmraid is different from md raid |
| 15:33.54 | srg | Do I need to extract the .deb on the usb drive? |
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| 15:34.05 | jelly | never used dmraid |
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| 15:35.54 | DexterF | jelly: you're right, dmraid -r lists the devices and states: mirror, ok. so now the nature of the beast and will read up on dmraid :) |
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| 15:41.45 | srg | ugh |
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| 15:43.07 | srg | I'll try formatting it as fat16. |
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| 15:46.47 | srg | hm, now it's not even popping up asking for non-free firmware. |
| 15:46.58 | srg | This is frustrating. |
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| 15:53.31 | dontknow | can anyone compile iceweasel with pgo here? |
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| 15:54.55 | srg | Anyone use wireless non-free firmware with the jessie debian-installer? |
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| 15:56.39 | dontknow | srg, if it is not asking maybe you should continue the installation then? |
| 15:56.54 | srg | I can't. |
| 15:57.01 | srg | It's a net installer on a USB stick. |
| 15:57.21 | srg | I would sell my body for a ethernet cable right now :-( |
| 15:57.51 | dontknow | srg, sorry i have no idea how to install debian with non-free firmware |
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| 15:58.59 | WangDang_ | Hi, I have a debian mirrors question. If I choose the ftp.ca.debian.ca, does that do some kind of netselect test to determine which of the national mirrors is the closest to me network wise, or does it just round robin or something like that? |
| 15:59.41 | srg | WangDang_: http://httpredir.debian.org/ is best for geolocation magic |
| 16:00.11 | srg | I don't think the direct mirrors do any testing or anything |
| 16:00.33 | WangDang_ | does httpredir do some sort of testing? |
| 16:00.53 | srg | test, read that page |
| 16:00.56 | srg | yes* |
| 16:01.01 | WangDang_ | thanks |
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| 16:05.46 | jhutchins | !firmware |
| 16:05.46 | dpkg | Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
| 16:08.02 | srg | Yeah, I've downloaded the non-free firmware .deb to a usb stick. I hit "yes" when the debian installer asks if I want to load it from external media. nothing happens, the same prompt comes back up again. |
| 16:08.34 | srg | I've tried the usb stick formatted with fat32, fat16...I've tried the entire firmware.tar.gz extracting it to the usb drive, I've tried the individual .deb that it asked for |
| 16:08.58 | srg | If I had to guess, it's because I'm booting the netinstaller from a usb drive, and then using another usb drive to load the firmware and d-i doesn't like two USB drives. |
| 16:09.02 | srg | But that's just my own guess. |
| 16:09.39 | srg | I'm downloading the CD-1 image now to see if that will work instead of the net installer. |
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| 16:10.10 | jelly | dpkg, tell srg about firmware images |
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| 16:10.35 | jelly | srg: the unofficial images with included firmware are probably the simplest solution |
| 16:10.52 | blackflow | srg: extracted the tarball under /firmware directory of the usb drive? |
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| 16:12.14 | srg | I extracted it into the root. the debian docs say either root or /firmware work |
| 16:12.20 | JohnnyL | I used bluetoothctl. I paied the bluetooth keyboard...but only some keys work and they usually aren't the right ones. |
| 16:12.27 | srg | I don't have to extract the .deb, do it? |
| 16:12.56 | blackflow | srg: try /firmware, that's the only method I know, and also, you need to have the usb plugged it while the installer is starting up, not later |
| 16:13.06 | JohnnyL | http://pastebin.com/3qz2YmvU |
| 16:13.12 | srg | blackflow: Ah! that might be why. I plugged it in after the installer was running |
| 16:13.18 | srg | blackflow: I'll try it. thanks guys. |
| 16:13.28 | JohnnyL | i paired but the bluetooth keyboard isn't working fully. |
| 16:13.31 | JohnnyL | or even mostly |
| 16:13.37 | JohnnyL | return works. |
| 16:13.48 | JohnnyL | 9,8,7 works |
| 16:14.38 | JohnnyL | under Ubuntu this is a no issue. |
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| 16:15.39 | JohnnyL | bluetooth-agent doesn't exist. |
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| 16:17.30 | jelly | JohnnyL: NumLock switched on? |
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| 16:19.20 | JohnnyL | i have no idea where that is on the keyboard. |
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| 16:21.19 | FierceDeityLink | http://pastebin.com/7nm3zdAj |
| 16:21.25 | FierceDeityLink | idk how to proceed |
| 16:21.52 | spal | when I view code in github using Iceweasel, I see that the font and text appear too frail as compared to Firefox on Windows? On Firefox, the fonts look prominent and deep in color but in Iceweasel the fonts look thin and light in color. anyone else has felt this and know how to resolve it? |
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| 16:23.46 | JohnnyL | i think i'm going to replace debian with ubuntu. |
| 16:23.53 | valdyn | spal: dpkg-reconfigure fontconfot-config |
| 16:23.59 | valdyn | spal: dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config |
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| 16:24.30 | dontknow | spal, have you set font smoothing etc? |
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| 16:25.02 | spal | dontknow: I use XFCE4. I have not changed any font settings. if you can tell me where I need to look for it, I'll try setting them. |
| 16:25.07 | spal | valdyn: thanks, let me try. |
| 16:26.01 | valdyn | spal: hinting forces the font to match the grid (pixels) |
| 16:26.20 | valdyn | spal: where less hinting makes it less match the grid but trade off is its less sharp |
| 16:26.30 | dontknow | spal, enter system settings and open "appearences". there is a font tab in there |
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| 16:26.45 | valdyn | spal: so if you have hinting on, then 1px larger font size can make a huge difference |
| 16:27.17 | dontknow | set "smoothing" as "slight" and below that set it as "rgb" |
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| 16:28.51 | spal | valdyn: do I need to restart anything after dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config. also I would like to note that I see this issue only while browsing code in github. vim, gvim, urxvt, etc. all seem good where I use Inconsolata font. |
| 16:29.17 | valdyn | spal: its a matter of taste, the specific current font size and the specific font |
| 16:29.41 | valdyn | spal: so of course no matter which setting you chose, some fonts will look perfect, some will look better in a different setting |
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| 16:30.11 | valdyn | spal: you need to restart the program |
| 16:30.20 | valdyn | spal: ( be that firefox or whatever) |
| 16:30.37 | valdyn | spal: unless you use a settings daemon, then you only have to restart programs that dont talk to the settings daemon |
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| 16:30.54 | dontknow | some installed fonts makes some sites look like shit, like "fonts-liberation" |
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| 16:31.03 | valdyn | spal: as far as i know iceweasel / firefox cant do realtime changes, so restart |
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| 16:31.46 | valdyn | 90 dpi (as a typical display) dont do truetype fonts nicely in general |
| 16:32.35 | dontknow | and windows font rendering sucks |
| 16:33.06 | dontknow | i can't believe you say they looks better |
| 16:33.21 | valdyn | spal: if you need/want truely nice fonts, then you need a hidpi display that beats your eye resolution |
| 16:33.30 | ghormoon | Any ideas how to make it not wait for dhclient eth0 on oot when there's no cable? |
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| 16:33.48 | valdyn | spal: (but then many programs will look shit for different reasons, only fonts will be ok) |
| 16:34.50 | valdyn | ghormoon: use network-manager or ifplugd |
| 16:34.51 | spal | valdyn: dontknow, thanks |
| 16:35.43 | ghormoon | Hm, maybe. I don't like network-manager, so i don't ever install it |
| 16:36.43 | valdyn | ghormoon: well, you do need some daemon to manage your networking if you want it to act differently depending on cable status |
| 16:36.52 | valdyn | ghormoon: maybe ifplugd is for you then |
| 16:37.38 | ghormoon | the reason I ask is that it slows boot by a minute, maybe if I can make it asynchronnous, it would be ok :P |
| 16:38.24 | ghormoon | Ifplugd seems ok |
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| 16:39.18 | ghormoon | Sometime in furue i plan on writing soe anager script, so i don't have to install network-manager for wifi. Also i wan't to set up some weighted preferences which i think network-manager can't do |
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| 16:45.47 | critter | hi, I want to check logs to find when a device was disconnected (about a month ago). Where should I search? |
| 16:46.21 | RoyK | critter: /var/log/syslog (or the rotated ones) |
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| 16:47.25 | critter | RoyK: I find it on dmesg, not on syslog or the rsyslog rotated files... the thing is, dmesg doesnt output useful info about event time |
| 16:47.43 | RoyK | critter: dmesg -T ? |
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| 16:49.19 | jhutchins | critter: I'm pretty sure dmesg won't give you historical data that old - it is cleared at boot time on most systems. |
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| 16:49.54 | critter | RoyK: thanks! |
| 16:50.11 | ghormoon | I'm pretty sure i know a lot of machines that would give you even older :P |
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| 16:50.33 | RoyK | critter: it should be in the syslog unless it's rotated away |
| 16:50.41 | critter | jhutchins: I found it on old dmesg (rotated) but I dont know how to parse it as -T |
| 16:51.22 | jhutchins | critter: Find the boot time, the number on the left is time-from-boot. |
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| 16:55.25 | knivsta | is i3-5th gen supported by Debian Jessie? |
| 16:55.27 | GPenguin | after adding a value for LC_ALL to /etc/environment what do i need to do? restart all applications? |
| 16:55.47 | valdyn | !locale |
| 16:55.47 | dpkg | A locale is a set of rules for presenting information to humans according to local conventions (date format, thousands separators, language, etc.). Ask me about <locales> to establish on a Debian system. http://wiki.debian.org/Locale http://mywiki.wooledge.org/locale |
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| 16:58.19 | hstl | Hi all. Installed "clean" debian (just base system) and then fluxbox. Then alsa-utils, alsa-base, alsa-utils. And then VLC. But i hear nothing. No sound. Why? |
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| 16:59.42 | Equa | hstl: do cat /proc/asound/cards to verified your sound driver is detected |
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| 17:00.43 | dontknow | knivsta, it should work |
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| 17:03.07 | hstl | Equa, answer: http://pastebin.com/iuUD7y6c |
| 17:03.17 | Guest1 | if you want an nice chat with new users and new network so visit us on /server irc.ind.in:6667 -j #lobby and have fun, enjoy your chat. Thanks. |
| 17:04.06 | Equa | hstl: only one sound card so check if the volume is set to low or mute |
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| 17:07.41 | knivsta | dontknow, ai'ght |
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| 17:08.00 | hstl | of course, i checked it before answering question. in alsamixer: master, headphone, PCM, Speaker are set to 100%. Mic, Mic Boos, Internal -0%. Auto-Mute - enabled. |
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| 17:08.06 | hstl | Equa |
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| 17:10.27 | hstl | asking a question* |
| 17:11.14 | Equa | hstl: try playing music or video file on youtube with your browser to check if it's just VLC settings issue |
| 17:12.03 | hstl | i dont have internet on that computer, but i am already installing another player to check it |
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| 17:14.04 | hstl | SMPlayer - no sound :( |
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| 17:14.20 | Equa | hstl: an alternate solution would be to install pulseaudio and pavcontrol to set sound settings |
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| 17:16.24 | dontknow | hstl, have you tried "F6" and set sound card in alsamixer |
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| 17:24.06 | grinchier | ya make sure its not muted in alsamixer |
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| 17:29.01 | Tau | hi |
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| 17:57.03 | hays | is there any tool for debian that will let me essentially snapshot a machine and then redeploy it on a new install? jusf fhe OS-provided stuff, like installation and configuration of packages |
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| 17:59.41 | NetEcho | Hey folks, I've lost access to my debian server, I think it may be caused by the latest kernel update. if this is the case the old kernel should still be available in grub right? |
| 17:59.54 | grinchier | should be ya |
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| 18:00.08 | grinchier | hello pencilandpaper |
| 18:00.17 | grinchier | in the menu should say previous linux versions |
| 18:00.18 | NetEcho | ok and how do I go about reverting to that kernel automatically on startup? |
| 18:00.37 | grinchier | you select previous linux verision, then the kernel you want from the list |
| 18:00.40 | NetEcho | unfortunatly the server is 4 hours away so I have a friend heading over to be my eyes |
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| 18:01.02 | NetEcho | grinchier: yea but for future reboots to require nobody at the server to select that kernel |
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| 18:01.40 | grinchier | you can remove the bad one after booting intot he good one |
| 18:02.08 | hays | NetEcho: IPMI |
| 18:02.42 | NetEcho | 1 moment, can't google lol for some odd reason my mouse isn't registering any clicks |
| 18:02.59 | grinchier | uh oh, battery? |
| 18:03.21 | NetEcho | nope only in applications it would seem. at the desktop it's fine lol |
| 18:03.49 | grinchier | weird |
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| 18:04.56 | NetEcho | apparently it's a logitech driver issue heh |
| 18:05.17 | grinchier | on linux? |
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| 18:06.00 | NetEcho | nah on M$ |
| 18:06.04 | NetEcho | doesn't surprise me |
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| 18:06.10 | grinchier | oh |
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| 18:06.31 | grinchier | well to see all your kernels installed you do dpkg âlist | grep linux-image |
| 18:06.39 | grinchier | then you just sudo apt-get remove |
| 18:06.43 | NetEcho | ah perfect |
| 18:06.47 | grinchier | then sudo update-grub |
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| 18:07.56 | ibouvousaime | Hello I have a question for you : Whats the package that provide support for ext3 file system ? |
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| 18:08.22 | NetEcho | wow it's like windows knows I want to work on a linux system and is determined to stop me lol |
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| 18:08.35 | NetEcho | gonna try a reboot brb |
| 18:08.36 | grinchier | not sure e2fs? |
| 18:08.46 | grinchier | NetEcho: or maybe not windows but somebody... |
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| 18:09.23 | grinchier | ibouvousaime: what do u mean? to be able to mount it? |
| 18:09.34 | grinchier | ibouvousaime: i think its e2fs |
| 18:09.54 | grinchier | are you in windows? lol |
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| 18:09.58 | Smeggie | hi |
| 18:10.11 | Smeggie | how can i post a block of code into reddit comments |
| 18:10.17 | grinchier | dunno |
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| 18:10.56 | Smeggie | http://www.reddit.com/r/linuxmasterrace/comments/3ah94i/what_are_your_favorite_or_mush_useful_shell/csd1zjh |
| 18:10.58 | Smeggie | similar to this |
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| 18:11.21 | ibouvousaime | grinchier, Its for puppy linux I want it to support the ext3 so I can resize my main partition |
| 18:11.43 | grinchier | i would think it already did, you should message pencilandpaper |
| 18:11.44 | Equa | ibouvousaime: e2fsprogs |
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| 18:11.46 | ibouvousaime | I only have a 128 mb USB drive lool at the moment so I can get the gpartter live Cd |
| 18:12.19 | grinchier | apt-cache search ext3 and install everything that has e2fs in it |
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| 18:12.32 | NetEcho | there we go, much better |
| 18:12.51 | grinchier | NetEcho: did you shake off the badness? |
| 18:12.53 | grinchier | lol |
| 18:12.58 | NetEcho | yep lol |
| 18:13.03 | NetEcho | yay my buddy is onsite |
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| 18:14.19 | grinchier | maybe he has the magic touch lol |
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| 18:14.27 | NetEcho | hopefully |
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| 18:15.27 | NetEcho | better than walking my father through doing it |
| 18:15.37 | grinchier | haha |
| 18:15.52 | NetEcho | my father doesn't know how to even use a computer |
| 18:15.55 | jimcornette | luke I am your ..... |
| 18:16.03 | jimcornette | sorry had to do it |
| 18:16.08 | NetEcho | lol |
| 18:16.32 | jimcornette | I have a question about resizefs |
| 18:16.38 | grinchier | yikes |
| 18:16.51 | grinchier | what type of filesystem? |
| 18:17.10 | jimcornette | give me one minute and I will paste. it is ext3 |
| 18:17.13 | grinchier | oh ok |
| 18:17.21 | pencilandpaper | ibouuvousaime left i see. the thing is that a puppy iso already has gparted installed within it by default and with a stick that size he would have to use a older puppy that has a iso small enough to go on that stick. |
| 18:17.38 | grinchier | oh |
| 18:18.18 | grinchier | i just aw now 128mb? wow |
| 18:18.21 | grinchier | thats is small lol |
| 18:18.35 | pencilandpaper | yeah, thats a small stick. :) |
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| 18:19.15 | spal | I found why code in github website appears light, thin and flat in my Iceweasel browser. That's because, the github.com's CSS uses this: font-family: Consolas,"Liberation Mono",Menlo,Courier,monospace and the output of fc-match "Liberation Mono" outputs "Nimbus Mono L" "Regular". Iceweasel's 'Inspect Element' shows that indeed "Nimbus Mono L Regular" is used instead of "Consolas" to display the code. Is there |
| 18:19.16 | grinchier | but its not the size that matters, its how you use it |
| 18:19.17 | spal | anyway to make Debian use "DejaVu Sans Mono" instead when the browser wants "Liberation Mono"? |
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| 18:19.31 | pencilandpaper | indeed. :) |
| 18:19.41 | NetEcho | grinchier: I was just able to get in, is there a log you'd suggest checking for what caused the issue last time? |
| 18:19.48 | NetEcho | didn't have to revert the kernel |
| 18:19.51 | jimcornette | Here is what makes the image http://pastebin.com/hcpnMJuX |
| 18:19.55 | grinchier | syslog? |
| 18:20.00 | grinchier | dmesg |
| 18:20.06 | grinchier | boot.log |
| 18:20.12 | NetEcho | grinchier: thanks |
| 18:20.32 | grinchier | you can grep for the words fail or error |
| 18:22.04 | NetEcho | looks like it may have just halted instead of rebooting |
| 18:22.25 | grinchier | weird |
| 18:23.07 | grinchier | well that happened to me the other day too |
| 18:23.21 | grinchier | i had an issue i think cause i didn't abor the shut down timer before trying to reboot |
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| 18:23.39 | grinchier | but it was my own doing, not someone maliciously remotely |
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| 18:24.25 | jimcornette | Here is gparted error http://i.imgur.com/pAYRTHM.png http://i.imgur.com/201bhva.png |
| 18:24.31 | NetEcho | grinchier: I've got a lock on /var/lib/dpkg preventing me from running apt-get |
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| 18:25.24 | grinchier | do you have synaptic open? |
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| 18:25.54 | NetEcho | nope |
| 18:26.03 | NetEcho | just did another restart incase lol |
| 18:26.09 | grinchier | try the fix mentioned here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1986288 |
| 18:26.12 | grinchier | oh is it working now? |
| 18:26.28 | grinchier | sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/* -vf and sudo apt-get update |
| 18:26.31 | NetEcho | we shall find out momentarily |
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| 18:27.28 | spal | I found why code in github website appears light, thin and flat in my Iceweasel browser. That's because, the github.com's CSS uses this: font-family: Consolas,"Liberation Mono",Menlo,Courier,monospace and the output of fc-match "Liberation Mono" outputs "Nimbus Mono L" "Regular". Iceweasel's 'Inspect Element' shows that indeed "Nimbus Mono L Regular" is used instead of "Consolas" to display the code. Is there |
| 18:27.30 | spal | anyway to make Debian use "DejaVu Sans Mono" instead when the browser wants "Liberation Mono"? |
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| 18:28.40 | grinchier | spal: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=52610 |
| 18:28.54 | grinchier | NetEcho_: is it working? |
| 18:30.00 | jimcornette | the only thing that I can think of is this warning that I am getting when making the filesystems |
| 18:30.06 | NetEcho | grinchier: yep working like a charm :) |
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| 18:30.17 | NetEcho | for whatever reason it decided to halt on a reboot |
| 18:30.26 | jimcornette | http://paste.debian.net/245588/ |
| 18:30.30 | grinchier | NetEcho_: was it a timed reboot? |
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| 18:30.46 | NetEcho | grinchier: I did shutdown -r now last night and it never came back heh |
| 18:30.50 | grinchier | or you went to reboot it, i've had that issue if its timed to shutdown o a certain day |
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| 18:31.15 | grinchier | then when trying to reboot, just refuses to reboot and i can no longer access the system |
| 18:31.19 | NetEcho | it was after getting messages about a soft lock and cpu0 frozen for XXs! |
| 18:31.28 | nami | hey, by default i get local mails by exim to /var/mail/mail... how to split them with the right local user name? |
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| 18:32.05 | grinchier | NetEcho_: i have no idea what that means |
| 18:32.25 | NetEcho | grinchier: basicaly some software caused the kernel to lockup |
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| 18:33.26 | grinchier | NetEcho_: so then i guess thats why you updated it huh |
| 18:33.36 | NetEcho | actually it was right after an update |
| 18:33.40 | grinchier | oh |
| 18:33.51 | grinchier | so maybe just go back to that earlier kernel then to be on safeside no? |
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| 18:34.11 | NetEcho | but I don't recall rebooting after the kernel update so it was probably a new package that had a bug in it that affects older kernels |
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| 18:34.28 | grinchier | oh |
| 18:34.41 | NetEcho | in a year or so this server is getting retired for a QNAP anyway so I just do the bare minimum to keep it running heh |
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| 18:35.38 | grinchier | reading online it says that is usually do to a buggy kernel module |
| 18:36.26 | NetEcho | yea and I woulda still be booted with the pre-upgrade kernel |
| 18:36.46 | grinchier | have you tried to reboot it again? |
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| 18:37.19 | NetEcho | grinchier: yep did about 5 reboots before letting my buddy go home |
| 18:37.35 | grinchier | cool |
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| 18:38.01 | grinchier | so maybe your new kernel will work out better |
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| 18:38.41 | grinchier | or if it happen again can always go to the older one and remove it |
| 18:38.53 | NetEcho | hmm looks like it's about time to run dist-upgrade |
| 18:39.10 | grinchier | wait tell your buddy to come back first lol |
| 18:39.16 | grinchier | jk |
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| 18:39.39 | NetEcho | grinchier: I just thought that as well lol |
| 18:39.44 | NetEcho | atleast he lives a block away |
| 18:39.48 | grinchier | nice |
| 18:40.03 | NetEcho | I really need to find a cheap enough KVM over IP solution |
| 18:40.16 | grinchier | NetEcho_: so did you see the soft lockup cpu#0 in your syslog? |
| 18:40.23 | grinchier | it might say what module caused the problem |
| 18:40.41 | NetEcho | python caused the issue |
| 18:40.51 | grinchier | hm |
| 18:41.15 | NetEcho | python has an update that is being installed by dist-upgrade |
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| 18:44.01 | grinchier | and you didn't have any timed sleep or timed reboot right? |
| 18:44.48 | NetEcho | nope I only do manual reboots |
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| 18:48.17 | grinchier | welp time for lunch |
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| 18:51.15 | jimcornette | Here https://github.com/JosephMillsAtWork/odroid-Testing-Repo that is all the code to make either Ubuntu or Debian from scratch with web interface for the U and C versions of cource you would want to alter the customizeBuild page and the common/common.sh files To Run just use the run script. This will DL all the toolkits for crosscompile and also add any build deps. This was tested on debian jessie and also stretch |
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| 18:52.46 | jimcornette | NMy goal is to also add rasp pi and some other boards to this. But for now it is only odroid C and U versions |
| 18:53.10 | jimcornette | again the issue is after building a C image it can not resize the filesystem |
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| 18:57.51 | knivsta | Do you know about any Computer that sell Laptops with Debian preinstalled? or work with it out of the box? |
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| 18:59.52 | jimcornette | https://www.debian.org/distrib/pre-installed |
| 18:59.52 | Equa | knivsta: https://www.debian.org/distrib/pre-installed |
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| 19:01.03 | jimcornette | My name is not on there But I try to sell armhf boards |
| 19:01.12 | jimcornette | try is key word there lol |
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| 19:04.46 | nami | ehi. no one is using exim to get mail on root? i get everything in /var/mail/mail instead of /var/mail/root... so `mail` get no mails |
| 19:05.32 | Equa | nami: you can do sudo mail to read root mail |
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| 19:05.41 | nami | nope |
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| 19:05.50 | nami | it's just wrong that path |
| 19:06.01 | nami | /var/mail/mail is not excepted... |
| 19:06.09 | nami | root mail location should be /var/mail/root |
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| 19:07.08 | Equa | nami: have you tried to reconfig exim? cmd sudo dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 19:07.36 | nami | sure |
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| 19:12.32 | Wegge | Where on the insanity scale would it be to create a BTRFS volume on a loopback device? |
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| 19:18.36 | teraflop | Wegge: for what? dmcrypt? |
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| 19:21.01 | Wegge | For backing up my Raspberry PI |
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| 19:22.00 | Wegge | The Pi runs BTRFS, and I'd rather just move a FS delta once in a while, rather than make a complete wire transfer of all 32GB over my ADSL |
| 19:22.29 | Wegge | So my idea is to make a BTRFS volume on my remote server, and make backups to that. |
| 19:22.51 | Wegge | I\m just wondering if there are some gotchas involved. |
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| 19:24.54 | dashs | Various (mostly systemd) probs with a spare server upgrade: no console display, forgets to swapon 2nd swap partition. |
| 19:25.45 | teraflop | Wegge: with latest kernels there is btrfs support (I have in bananapi), so if you do subvolumes just do btrfs send | btrfs receive as usual, I suppose |
| 19:27.14 | teraflop | Wegge: the remote side (where the btrfs receive) must be btrfs too obvlsy |
| 19:27.43 | Wegge | It's on the receiving end. The server use extN, and I don't want to switch that to btrfs just yet. |
| 19:27.59 | teraflop | ah, hmm |
| 19:28.03 | Wegge | Optin one is to make a btrfs filesystem on top of a loopback device. |
| 19:28.33 | Wegge | Option two is to mess around with lwm, and create the room for a physical device for said fs. |
| 19:28.47 | teraflop | Wegge: or an external storage device brtfs formated will work too |
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| 19:28.53 | Wegge | I would prefer the first one, unless something will kaboom over it. |
| 19:29.01 | teraflop | Wegge: heh |
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| 19:30.34 | Wegge | One point of a backup is to have it far away. So an external device will not be totally perfect. |
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| 19:31.11 | teraflop | Wegge: well an external storage, said usb drive will work |
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| 19:33.26 | teraflop | Wegge: your pc/laptop wil work too (through ssh) i didnt mean to attach a btrfs formated usb to the pi, or yes... heh |
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| 19:39.02 | ibouvousaime | Do you guys know a good equivalent to gparted that has a live CD version and is smaller than 128 mb ? |
| 19:40.35 | teraflop | hmm gpartedlive is tiny, but I do not know the exact size |
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| 19:44.17 | teraflop | 230MB |
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| 19:48.14 | MrFrood | teraflop: 230mb is not tiny I've had hard drives smaller than tat by a wide margin |
| 19:48.27 | grinchier | i got one 60 mb |
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| 19:49.05 | MrFrood | I've got a 20mb on one machine but it needs replacing |
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| 19:49.51 | frostschutz | wow. my first hdd was 850MB :) |
| 19:50.23 | grinchier | lol |
| 19:50.54 | MrFrood | at school the mincomputer had 5mb hard drives bigger than a washing machine |
| 19:51.03 | knivsta | frostschutz, how old are you? The lowest I have seen is 30 GB |
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| 19:52.46 | BuzzardBuzz | MrFrood is showing that his age is near the same as mine, we are old ... |
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| 19:53.09 | MrFrood | giggles |
| 19:53.20 | frostschutz | ibouvousaime, just use fdisk, resize2fs and dd like any other sane person |
| 19:53.40 | grinchier | frostschutz: thats sane? hehe |
| 19:54.08 | ibouvousaime | looks scaryy |
| 19:54.09 | ibouvousaime | D |
| 19:54.11 | ibouvousaime | xDD* |
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| 19:54.47 | grinchier | ibouvousaime: use parted off the dam small linux |
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| 19:55.14 | ibouvousaime | okay |
| 19:55.21 | grinchier | ibouvousaime: http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2011/09/parted-command-examples/ |
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| 19:56.01 | frostschutz | parted removed all those nice resize things... growing a fat32 filesystem on the console is rocket science these days |
| 19:56.34 | grinchier | frostschutz: i don't know what you mean |
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| 19:57.30 | grinchier | frostschutz: are you saying you can't resize with parted ? |
| 19:57.37 | grinchier | that would be weird |
| 19:57.37 | Eduard_Munteanu | grinchier, not anymore |
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| 19:57.42 | grinchier | what? |
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| 19:57.54 | Eduard_Munteanu | They removed the resizing command. |
| 19:57.58 | grinchier | why? |
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| 19:58.24 | frostschutz | grinchier, it says so on the page you linked - "Support for performing most operations on most types of file systems will be removed in an upcoming release." and that's from 2011 and happened by now |
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| 19:58.35 | grinchier | why? |
| 19:58.41 | Eduard_Munteanu | grinchier, IIRC it was difficult to make it work properly when resizing stacks like ext4 on LVM on LUKS |
| 19:58.59 | grinchier | so they should just say don't use it for lvm |
| 19:59.03 | frostschutz | to boost gparted cd sales, what do I know |
| 19:59.08 | grinchier | hmm |
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| 20:00.14 | ibouvousaime | thanks grinchier |
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| 20:00.33 | grinchier | oh an parted magic cost money too |
| 20:00.45 | grinchier | oh wait thats a preinstalled usb hmm |
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| 20:01.18 | grinchier | ibouvousaime: try parted magic I guess |
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| 20:01.43 | grinchier | oh wait it costs money |
| 20:02.09 | ibouvousaime | haha I SAW that |
| 20:02.22 | grinchier | i saw 16 mb like nice, then said dam |
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| 20:06.59 | rexwin | how to increase the loggin time? |
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| 20:14.07 | AlexDaniel | Hello! I have a japanese keyboard with additional buttons, these are named <MUHE>, <HENK>, <HKTG> in xkb (keycodes 102, 100, 101). I want to remap these keys to something different, so I do this in my custom symbol file: key <HENK> { [ j, J ] }; but it does not work as it should. If I press that key, Henkan gets through (reported by xev), just like it was not configured, and "j" is not typed. But at the same time Shift+henk produces |
| 20:14.08 | AlexDaniel | "J", which indicates that my config works correctly. So either these keys are reset to its original function somewhere or xkb is somehow bugged and does not allow me to set it to something different. Another problem is that it is really hard to google that problem since I don't know Japanese (maybe somebody who knows Japanese can google that for me?). Related problem from 2008: |
| 20:14.08 | AlexDaniel | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=966384&p=6087155#post6087155 |
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| 20:16.35 | AlexDaniel | I feel like all these people have missed my question :) |
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| 20:22.54 | grinchier | you scared them lol |
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| 20:23.14 | AlexDaniel | well, |
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| 20:23.31 | AlexDaniel | I'm stuck on that problem for two days, so... |
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| 20:24.00 | grinchier | what model kb you have? |
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| 20:24.34 | AlexDaniel | grinchier: good question. Does it matter? How can I find out? |
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| 20:24.45 | grinchier | is it written on the kb? |
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| 20:25.17 | grinchier | under the kb usually lol i'm just curious maybe we can google it |
| 20:25.19 | AlexDaniel | grinchier: it seems like I have pc104 set, but I've tried jp106 - it all does not matter, these keys work independently of that as far as I can see |
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| 20:25.50 | grinchier | thats all over my head man sorry |
| 20:25.51 | AlexDaniel | grinchier: it is just a regular thinkpad x200 japanese keyboard, I think |
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| 20:26.12 | grinchier | there is nothing written on it? |
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| 20:26.23 | AlexDaniel | it's a laptop |
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| 20:26.48 | grinchier | lol |
| 20:26.56 | grinchier | oh i see |
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| 20:27.43 | AlexDaniel | http://i00.i.aliimg.com/wsphoto/v1/1361967976_6/Lenovo-ThinkPad-X200-X200s-X200s-X201-X201i-X201s-FRU-42T3762-Keyboard-Japanese.jpg |
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| 20:27.48 | AlexDaniel | these keys around the spacebar |
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| 20:28.26 | grinchier | i wish i could read japanese man i'm sorry lol |
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| 20:29.46 | AlexDaniel | well these keys are: henkan, muhenkan, hiragana-katakana |
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| 20:30.17 | AlexDaniel | I feel like these keys are somehow special. I can remap ctrl alt or any other key to anything I want, but it seems like these keys are somehow hard-coded on some low level |
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| 20:30.22 | AlexDaniel | or something, I have no idea.... |
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| 20:30.47 | grinchier | i wish i could speak japanese too lol |
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| 20:32.39 | grinchier | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:32.42 | grinchier | they don't do anything? |
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| 20:33.29 | AlexDaniel | grinchier: well, they do: henkan, muhenkan, hiragana-katakana. That's what I see in xev input |
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| 20:33.42 | AlexDaniel | grinchier: yep |
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| 20:33.47 | grinchier | virtualbox? |
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| 20:34.03 | grinchier | oh ok |
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| 20:34.46 | AlexDaniel | so these keys are actually recognized, I see that in xev, but I cannot remap them - that's the problem |
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| 20:35.36 | AlexDaniel | which kinda screws my whole idea to get a japanese keyboard because of these keys... |
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| 20:35.59 | grinchier | why did you want a japanse kb? |
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| 20:36.20 | AlexDaniel | I feel like somebody from Japan can help me better, they probably know that stuff. At least they might point out why these keys are special |
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| 20:36.32 | grinchier | i wonder if there is a japanes room on freenode |
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| 20:36.42 | AlexDaniel | grinchier: to set a couple of other keys to these extra ones |
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| 20:36.52 | AlexDaniel | grinchier: like shift, altgr, ctrl |
| 20:36.53 | grinchier | oh to have some extra keys? |
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| 20:37.05 | AlexDaniel | grinchier: so that I don't have to reach for them with my pinkies |
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| 20:37.27 | AlexDaniel | huge spacebar is the biggest fuckup in our history, just like staggered keys are |
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| 20:39.30 | grinchier | i know nothing about mapping keys but are you using xmodmap? |
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| 20:39.51 | AlexDaniel | grinchier: nope, xkb |
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| 20:40.06 | grinchier | what if you try sometjing like this http://askubuntu.com/questions/93950/cant-remap-ctrl-key-with-xmodmap |
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| 20:40.23 | AlexDaniel | grinchier: in other words, I created my own file in /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/ |
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| 20:40.48 | AlexDaniel | it seems like xmodmap is not recommended these days |
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| 20:41.02 | grinchier | nothing is recommended these days |
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| 20:41.40 | AlexDaniel | well, my layout is highly customized, so that would mean that I have to move my whole layout to xmodmap... or use both... I don't know |
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| 20:41.45 | AlexDaniel | maybe I should at least try it |
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| 20:41.59 | grinchier | see if it makes a diff for the one key |
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| 20:42.17 | AlexDaniel | hm, that's actually a good idea |
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| 20:43.58 | AlexDaniel | grinchier: hm, that works |
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| 20:46.32 | AlexDaniel | grinchier: thanks! that's at least something |
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| 20:47.09 | AlexDaniel | not that I'm completely happy with a solution like that, but at least it works |
| 20:47.27 | grinchier | nice |
| 20:47.36 | grinchier | so whats wrong with xmodmap out of curiosity? |
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| 21:57.09 | rabbitear | goesmin: I can't figure that out, I must be horrible at complex issues like that |
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| 21:57.19 | Eduard_Munteanu | aedinius, AMD Phenom II x4 @ 2.5GHz |
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| 21:57.50 | aedinius | Just tested on my 1GHz PPC, 4MB/s. I might be wrong. |
| 21:57.51 | goesmin | karlpinc: i'm guessing i could manually write to the end of the drive once bs=1M is done to make sure no blocks are missed? |
| 21:57.58 | grinchier | how are you testing it? |
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| 21:58.01 | goesmin | rabbitear: figure what out? |
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| 21:58.16 | Eduard_Munteanu | $ dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/null bs=1M --> 82837504 bytes (83 MB) copied, 6.74892 s, 12.3 MB/s |
| 21:58.17 | goesmin | aedinius: ppc? what's your setup? |
| 21:58.26 | grinchier | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:58.27 | grinchier | lol |
| 21:58.29 | aedinius | yeah, dd |
| 21:58.34 | aedinius | 11730944 bytes (12 MB) copied, 2.72795 s, 4.3 MB/s |
| 21:58.42 | aedinius | 19922944 bytes (20 MB) copied, 4.8613 s, 4.1 MB/s |
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| 21:58.45 | rabbitear | I <3 dd |
| 21:59.29 | rabbitear | if I was insane, I'd just dd random stuff for no reason |
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| 21:59.31 | aedinius | goesmin: powermac g4 graphite |
| 21:59.36 | rabbitear | just because I think its cool |
| 21:59.37 | asterismo | hi people |
| 21:59.41 | grinchier | i rarely ever use dd |
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| 21:59.51 | asterismo | what firmware should i install for this sound card? |
| 21:59.53 | asterismo | Intel Corporation 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family High Definition Audio Controller |
| 21:59.54 | dashs | rabbitear: swap partitions are not correctly started. When requested by LABEL in fstab, nothing is mounted. When requested by dev in fstab only one of two |
| 21:59.58 | grinchier | i thougth you guys were talking about cryptswap or something |
| 22:00.15 | grinchier | why even format? i'm with blackflow on that one |
| 22:00.19 | goesmin | i remember being blown away by dding an .iso to a flash drive and being able to boot it |
| 22:00.22 | aedinius | goesmin: aftermarket cpu. cpu: 7455, altivec supported; clock: 1000.000000MHz; motherboard: PowerMac3,3 MacRISC2 MacRISC Power Macintosh |
| 22:00.32 | Doxin | so I've got a problem. the pycairo package is outdated, and the cairo package is missing some compilation options I'd like. I can compile from source, but I can't uninstall the old version because everyone and their grandmother depends on cairo. halp? |
| 22:00.33 | goesmin | and being equally blown away at hwo spectacularly that fails with a windows .iso |
| 22:00.36 | rabbitear | dashs: don't depend on fstab to know whats going on |
| 22:00.47 | grinchier | dashs: cryptswap? |
| 22:00.56 | goesmin | aedinius: any reason in particular you're still using that? |
| 22:01.09 | blackflow | grinchier: the idea is to prefill the drive with ciphertext to mask out unused parts of the drive |
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| 22:01.21 | rabbitear | dashs: in a way you can, but I forgot how swapon works, so I'd have to man swapon |
| 22:01.34 | aedinius | goesmin: Nah. I have a macmini ready to replace it, I just haven't |
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| 22:02.23 | blackflow | grinchier: and thus sending /dev/zero to the luks device is sufficient as it ends up looking like random noise on the drive, as if you dd'ed /dev/urandom |
| 22:02.59 | rabbitear | dashs: if something is wrong, it is probably inside /etc/fstab ... thats why you don't want to use it for figuring out whats wrong |
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| 22:03.24 | aedinius | I might replace the G4 with the G5 before I use the macmini, though |
| 22:03.40 | goesmin | aedinius: you going to put linux on it? |
| 22:03.41 | aedinius | I don't like running the G5 during the summer though (I would use it to heat my apartment in the winter) |
| 22:03.49 | aedinius | goesmin: Eh? Yeah, it's running debian |
| 22:03.54 | rabbitear | I have a G4 lamp, used it as a clock for a long time, but now I pay electric |
| 22:03.56 | goesmin | aedinius: i mean the mac mini |
| 22:04.00 | aedinius | Oh, yeah |
| 22:04.00 | dashs | rabbitear: But don't tell me what is used to determine those things.. |
| 22:04.11 | grinchier | blackflow: and much faster too I guess right? and so I guess you prefill the disk to make it harder for an attacker to identify which blocks are encrypted? |
| 22:04.13 | aedinius | I'm not sure what OS is on it now, it's been in the closet for a while |
| 22:04.31 | blackflow | grinchier: sure, querying urandom is slow, xts is fast, esp if you have aesni cpu |
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| 22:04.47 | rabbitear | dashs: man fstab if you want, but it just uses swapon itself so you can skip that, and man swapon |
| 22:05.06 | aedinius | debian all the things!* |
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| 22:05.12 | rabbitear | I'm a slackware user |
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| 22:05.14 | grinchier | i guess good for a full encrypted drive, still seems overboard to even me though lol |
| 22:05.20 | aedinius | * Except my work laptop (RHEL) |
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| 22:05.29 | blackflow | grinchier: yes, precisely, mask out unused blocks so pattern/statistical analysis won't have hints .) |
| 22:05.36 | dashs | rabbitear: swapon functions correctly -- systemd does not call it. |
| 22:05.51 | rabbitear | I see now dashs |
| 22:05.59 | rabbitear | yeah, I know nothing about systemd |
| 22:06.03 | blackflow | grinchier: it is :) https://xkcd.com/538/ |
| 22:06.08 | rabbitear | I'm not one of them dashs |
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| 22:06.43 | rabbitear | just *shrugs* dashs |
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| 22:07.30 | blackflow | what has systemd got to do with swap? |
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| 22:08.00 | rabbitear | I don't know, know nothing about it myself |
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| 22:08.22 | rabbitear | one day.. |
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| 22:10.01 | grinchier | blackflow: haha |
| 22:10.14 | grinchier | send to the FBI and ask them what they are complaining about then |
| 22:10.27 | rabbitear | I should write something and name it systemx that replaces init, but I won't too lazy |
| 22:10.42 | grinchier | they don't give you teh password jail them, but don't take away peoples protection |
| 22:10.53 | grinchier | I think their excuse is, what if the guy is dead and they can't get the passwd out of him |
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| 22:11.19 | blackflow | then it's back to the cryptonerd's dream coming true :) |
| 22:11.52 | grinchier | ya they won't find out where he buried the money either when hes dead.....oh well.... |
| 22:11.55 | blackflow | and with all the XPs... uhm botnets.... at their disposals, they can crack it in an afternoon. |
| 22:12.01 | grinchier | haha |
| 22:12.01 | rabbitear | the will slid metal thing opens every now and then, and says 'whats the password?' |
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| 22:12.47 | rabbitear | slide |
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| 22:13.12 | rabbitear | I got to focus more on my chinese instead |
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| 22:14.14 | rabbitear | CutMeOwnThroat: you've seen to many movies |
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| 22:14.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | rabbitear, pardon? |
| 22:14.53 | grinchier | who? |
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| 22:16.35 | testi | hi |
| 22:16.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | I've actually not seen to a single movie! |
| 22:16.54 | blackflow | lies |
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| 22:18.30 | rabbitear | wasn't me |
| 22:18.38 | testi | I want all my audio to output on one single device. in kde i can set the default audio device in several places (kmix and also general audio settings and again in pavucontrol), but still when i fire up a new application it outputs to the wrong device. so apparantly all the places I found so far which set the default audio device are fake ones or they serve some different sort of default. Where can I set which device to use by default for |
| 22:18.38 | testi | sound player by applications? |
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| 22:19.11 | testi | s/player/played/ |
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| 22:19.49 | rabbitear | testi: alsa is a good thing |
| 22:20.10 | abrotman | testi: isn't that what Pulsecontrols? |
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| 22:20.16 | testi | rabbitear: okay, and how does it help? |
| 22:20.20 | rabbitear | testi: and ~/.asoundrc |
| 22:20.33 | grinchier | blackflow: i'm reading now they have decrypted bitlocker, dm-crypt, etc by getting the keys out of the dram |
| 22:20.54 | blackflow | grinchier: oh yeah, cold ram attack or whatsitcalled |
| 22:21.02 | grinchier | oh wow and this was in 2008 |
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| 22:21.52 | pushpop | hi all im trying to enable dhcp on one of my interfaces with the command dhclient. However when I run the command it says command not found. Is there a package for DHCP i can't seem to locate it? |
| 22:22.18 | rabbitear | apt-get install dhclient |
| 22:22.25 | rabbitear | sorry for the command line |
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| 22:22.34 | rabbitear | there's also dhcpcd |
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| 22:22.44 | rabbitear | and pump in debian |
| 22:22.48 | rabbitear | if that still exists |
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| 22:23.37 | pushpop | rabbitear doesnt work dhclient |
| 22:23.39 | pushpop | from command line |
| 22:23.43 | pushpop | dhcpd |
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| 22:24.04 | rabbitear | dhcpd would be serving the requests |
| 22:24.12 | grinchier | blackflow: cold boot attacks |
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| 22:25.02 | rabbitear | if I get another me, I'm putting core boot on these two other laptops |
| 22:25.04 | blackflow | grinchier: that! |
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| 22:26.12 | rabbitear | I always liked ifconfig, why did people mess with ifconfig!? |
| 22:26.34 | rabbitear | ip addr bla bla bla, too much to remember |
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| 22:26.53 | aedinius | ip a |
| 22:26.54 | aedinius | done |
| 22:27.05 | rabbitear | k, have to remember that |
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| 22:27.31 | testi | rabbitear: I was able to solve the issue even with the overly hard to control pulseaudio, one just has to disable the unused devices, I'm afraid applications remember what device they used previously. |
| 22:27.44 | rabbitear | ifconfig had everything you needed in a few lines of text |
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| 22:28.13 | rabbitear | testi: sweet! |
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| 22:28.55 | rabbitear | testi: good job, I also dislike how pulseaudio is like a cat |
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| 22:28.59 | blackflow | rabbitear: http://inai.de/2008/02/19 |
| 22:29.14 | grinchier | blackflow: wow that attack goes back to the 90s |
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| 22:30.02 | blackflow | grinchier: sure, when it was easier with slower RAM that had greater latency (as in latent charge etc...) |
| 22:30.17 | grinchier | still going strong in 2014 though thats crazy |
| 22:30.49 | grinchier | they have programs now like on android, that will remove the key from memory immediately |
| 22:30.53 | blackflow | grinchier: yeah, heh heh *smiles nervously* (quick, someone call the men in white coats, this one thinks it's 2014 still) |
| 22:31.03 | rabbitear | well, I read the headings in that.. just to say, you should know on point number 7 how to not use citr notation |
| 22:31.04 | grinchier | well i mean latest case of it i seen |
| 22:31.13 | blackflow | grinchier: :) |
| 22:31.15 | rabbitear | cidr |
| 22:31.20 | grinchier | or article i should say |
| 22:32.03 | rabbitear | thanks for the link, maybe read later |
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| 22:32.23 | blackflow | rabbitear: I think the two most important points are a) not developed any more and b) using some ancient kernel interfaces |
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| 22:33.03 | rabbitear | blackflow: it works on this box, will be point c) for me |
| 22:33.11 | rabbitear | :> |
| 22:34.16 | blackflow | rabbitear: that works too, I guess. :) |
| 22:36.45 | blackflow | speaking of potentially redundant replacements, there's ss over netstat |
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| 22:40.48 | rabbitear | blackflow: actually I did know know that either.. |
| 22:41.06 | rabbitear | blackflow: see what happens when you use slackware most of the time.. |
| 22:41.34 | blackflow | rabbitear: yeah you start slacking in the know-yer-linux department .) |
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| 22:42.18 | rabbitear | blackflow: its not that, mainly, just like to know what is really on the box.. |
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| 22:42.44 | rabbitear | blackflow: I know it doesn't work for work.. meaning for like 'actually doing something' |
| 22:43.28 | rabbitear | blackflow: but more comfortable with knowing whats on the box, if slackware gives up (I don't think so though) I'll go again to linuxfromscratch |
| 22:44.00 | rabbitear | I do like debian's ... |
| 22:45.10 | rabbitear | I run debian distros, but I tend to run back to the things that work all the time, which is slackware for now |
| 22:46.03 | blackflow | debian doesn't? :) |
| 22:46.08 | blackflow | (work all the time) |
| 22:46.14 | rabbitear | it does... |
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| 22:46.20 | rabbitear | better than Arch |
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| 22:47.12 | rabbitear | Arch will die if you don't keep it up... |
| 22:47.37 | blackflow | the "curse" of rolling release distros. gentoo, opensuse tumbleweed, ... |
| 22:47.49 | rabbitear | ubuntu wants 60 million patches per a day (but that might be a setting I choose wrong) |
| 22:48.42 | rabbitear | gentoo is 'okay', its probably, where I'm speaking from here is personal pain |
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| 23:11.16 | rabbitear | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nolsp-EhtqY |
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| 23:13.04 | abrotman | rabbitear: pay attention ... |
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| 23:22.52 | awoserra | hihi |
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| 23:23.20 | grinchier | #debian-offtopic |
| 23:23.31 | grinchier | how can i test my swap is working right? |
| 23:23.32 | awoserra | i've got eth0 and wlan0, i want wlan0 as an automatic fallback should eth0 go down. |
| 23:24.05 | awoserra | it should almost do that automatically by default ya? |
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| 23:24.31 | somiaj | awoserra: you will need to use some tool like network manager that can manage multiple devices to be able to use one as a fall back. |
| 23:25.14 | awoserra | somiaj: negative. |
| 23:25.38 | awoserra | somiaj: i can shell script it and poll connections if i have to |
| 23:25.42 | somiaj | awoserra: i.e. if you want this to happen automatically. But you can easily configure each device in your interfaces file and then manually bring them up and down as you need them. |
| 23:25.44 | awoserra | but i'm sure there is a better way |
| 23:25.58 | somiaj | yea the better way is to use a tool that manages the network and keeps an eye on it. |
| 23:26.05 | awoserra | isn't there a conf about perferred networks anywhere in debian? |
| 23:26.09 | abrotman | bonding? |
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| 23:26.25 | awoserra | not bonding, fallback |
| 23:26.35 | awoserra | so if i lose power, my device goes to wireless |
| 23:26.45 | abrotman | wonders what powers the wifi router ... |
| 23:26.55 | awoserra | my cell phone |
| 23:26.59 | abrotman | ah |
| 23:27.32 | awoserra | i can use a 4g dongle on my router as well |
| 23:27.55 | awoserra | if it had a ups |
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| 23:29.45 | awoserra | ah |
| 23:29.49 | awoserra | ifmetric |
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| 23:30.56 | awoserra | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch05.en.html#_the_advanced_network_configuration_with_ifupdown_legacy |
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| 23:56.20 | chalcedony | i'm part way through installing znc, and decided to upgrade debian first, how do i remove the parts of znc that need to be removed, please? |
| 23:56.37 | chalcedony | i have wheezy |
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