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| 00:02.00 | chalcedony | Tagor, it seems that saturday isn't the best day to get help here |
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| 00:02.55 | Tagor | chalcedony: think we should start offering some beer |
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| 00:03.10 | chalcedony | beer or ice cream |
| 00:03.15 | maazu | bitcoins |
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| 00:03.29 | chalcedony | Tagor, maazu not ice cream? |
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| 00:04.00 | maazu | i'm joking |
| 00:04.06 | abrotman | chalcedony: how did you install znc? |
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| 00:04.23 | chalcedony | hi abrotman :) lovely to see you |
| 00:04.28 | abrotman | runs |
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| 00:04.48 | chalcedony | abrotman, i think apt-get install |
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| 00:05.00 | abrotman | chalcedony: then it owuld upgrade when you upgrade the rest of the system |
| 00:05.00 | chalcedony | abrotman, it's been a few weeks |
| 00:05.09 | chalcedony | oh cool |
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| 00:05.25 | chalcedony | i didn't finish setting up the config, should i do that or wait? |
| 00:05.31 | maazu | chalcedony: is znc really useful? |
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| 00:05.44 | chalcedony | maazu, depends on which irc clients you use |
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| 00:06.18 | chalcedony | abrotman, <chalcedony> i didn't finish setting up the config, should i do that or wait? |
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| 00:07.15 | grinchier | maazu: its good for always staying connected, masking ip, backloading logged messages. |
| 00:07.19 | chalcedony | maazu, some clients, like weechat have other tools that work differently than znc.. but hexchat and mirc need a tool that uses a graphical interface |
| 00:07.29 | abrotman | chalcedony: just wait, the config options may change |
| 00:07.37 | grinchier | oh wait i'm thinking of something else |
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| 00:12.06 | chalcedony | :) |
| 00:12.09 | maazu | :| |
| 00:12.30 | grinchier | maazu: what did you do man? lol |
| 00:12.33 | grinchier | just kidding! |
| 00:12.36 | chalcedony | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:12.46 | grinchier | chalcedony: it sounds like your talkinga bout windows lol |
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| 00:13.17 | maazu | chalcedony: man apt-get |
| 00:13.18 | chalcedony | grinchier, no it's deiban wheezy ..o Add/Remove Software |
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| 00:13.45 | Eternalerror | So how much longer until SystemD makes debian stupidly easy to automate servicing on |
| 00:13.52 | Eternalerror | and automate tasks. |
| 00:13.57 | grinchier | ohh right im' sorry |
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| 00:14.05 | grinchier | i still use apt-get |
| 00:14.30 | chalcedony | grinchier, there are a lot of different things that happen with apt-get .. |
| 00:14.48 | grinchier | bad things? |
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| 00:15.02 | grinchier | I think i heard that once |
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| 00:16.25 | chalcedony | grinchier, lots of ways to remove things, and which things |
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| 00:17.00 | maazu | grinchier: like aptitude-curses |
| 00:17.01 | grinchier | ah |
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| 00:18.16 | chalcedony | apt-get purge remove / sudo make uninstall .. /me gets dizzy |
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| 00:19.25 | grinchier | i need to learn aptitude too |
| 00:19.29 | maazu | thinks hard about which package to install so that it does not conflict with others |
| 00:20.51 | maazu | chalcedony: what do you do when apt says you can only have 1 not both? |
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| 00:21.49 | chalcedony | maazu, google is your friend |
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| 00:22.10 | maazu | chalcedony: bah! drop both! |
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| 00:25.05 | maazu | chalcedony: are you muted? |
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| 00:25.48 | chalcedony | .. |
| 00:25.58 | chalcedony | maazu, doesn't seem so |
| 00:26.12 | maazu | just checking |
| 00:26.17 | chalcedony | :) |
| 00:26.26 | maazu | gotta go |
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| 00:26.32 | chalcedony | i'm doing updates on wheezy, then dist upgrade |
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| 00:43.31 | abrotman | chrislamp: isn't there an optionin about:config ? |
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| 00:44.37 | chrislamp | unfortunately no |
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| 00:45.18 | abrotman | chrislamp: it is ... |
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| 00:45.57 | abrotman | chrislamp: https://wiki.mozilla.org/SecurityEngineering/Public_Key_Pinning#Public_Key_Pinning_Extension_for_HTTP Is that not what you're trying to do? |
| 00:45.58 | chrislamp | it was supposed to be security.cert_pinning.enforcement_level -> 0 |
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| 00:46.15 | chrislamp | yes i know |
| 00:46.24 | chrislamp | but iceweasel don't have this pref |
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| 00:46.38 | abrotman | chrislamp: perhaps you have to create it? |
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| 00:46.47 | chrislamp | i added that with value 0 but no result even after restarted the browser |
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| 00:47.08 | abrotman | which version? |
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| 00:47.42 | chrislamp | 31.7 |
| 00:47.46 | chrislamp | on debian jessie |
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| 00:48.46 | abrotman | chrislamp: oh, that URl mentions a higher version number |
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| 00:50.30 | rabbitea1 | hey somiaj_ |
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| 00:51.16 | chrislamp | so what can i do? i cannot install higher version on Jessie |
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| 00:51.39 | rabbitea1 | chrislamp: compile it ? |
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| 00:52.27 | chrislamp | i think that is no worth the trouble for such an trivial thing :P |
| 00:52.34 | abrotman | chrislamp: see mozilla.debian.net, ignore rabbitea1 |
| 00:52.51 | rabbitea1 | abrotman: bad karma |
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| 00:53.40 | abrotman | rabbitea1: you're just not helping anyone |
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| 00:54.18 | chrislamp | thank you abrotman but i would prefer to keep this stable version |
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| 00:54.38 | abrotman | chrislamp: it uses the "release" version |
| 00:54.54 | abrotman | chrislamp: and it's done by the official maintainer |
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| 00:55.03 | chrislamp | I just wish mozilla could be more helpfull of documentation |
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| 00:55.22 | chrislamp | ok lets try ;) |
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| 00:55.37 | abrotman | chrislamp: I used it for ages, and I'll use it again if I need to (no need at hte moment) |
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| 01:09.24 | chrislamp | abrotman: i installed the backported version and the correct options on about:config appeared |
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| 01:09.41 | chrislamp | but the issue still remains |
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| 01:10.14 | chrislamp | i cannot have a proxy between the browser and the facebook |
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| 01:11.51 | abrotman | chrislamp: which isshe? |
| 01:11.54 | abrotman | issue |
| 01:12.13 | abrotman | oh, you have a proxy, and it's issued a wildcard cert? |
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| 01:17.21 | chrislamp | no wildcard |
| 01:17.35 | chrislamp | a normal proxy with default cert |
| 01:17.51 | chrislamp | all other sites works except those which are pinning by iceweasel |
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| 01:53.54 | spdr | Hi everyone. I have a question. Why $ set bell-style visible; doesn't affect readline's variable? $ xset q 2>&1 | grep bell; prints still "set bell-style audible". |
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| 01:54.09 | spdr | Any tips? |
| 01:54.21 | bazhang | what version of debian |
| 01:55.04 | spdr | bazhang: ubuntu ;-) But it's about readline, the same in whole linux I think. |
| 01:55.25 | bazhang | thats not a version of debian |
| 01:55.36 | bazhang | try ##linux |
| 01:55.58 | spdr | I will, thx. |
| 01:56.12 | cast | or #bash |
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| 02:24.32 | debian_linux | hi all |
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| 02:25.53 | debian_linux | hi all , I just configure my server , I have multi server , like 3 sites, please but everytime I try to access in my red local just got me to the moden router |
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| 03:50.34 | hays | what does an @ sign mean in the permissions part of ls -l ? |
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| 06:38.11 | lonelearner | Can someone help me with this font problem please? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/30961732/why-is-dejavu-serif-selected-when-i-specify-liberation-mono-in-the-css/ |
| 06:38.27 | lonelearner | The problem description is too long, that's why I have a post on an external link. |
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| 06:47.25 | valdyn | lonelearner: why arent you using @font-face ? |
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| 06:52.06 | valdyn | lonelearner: family of libration sans is "Regular" on my system, which in turn selects "Dejavu Sans", working as intended |
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| 07:18.39 | knivsta | So, Tor - VPN - Router's Firewall - My PC's Firewall = Innocent Me <-- Can NSA still get me even if I am using Debian and strong passphrases? |
| 07:18.58 | arahael | knivsta: Probably. |
| 07:19.18 | arahael | knivsta: They own half the tor relays or something, don't they? |
| 07:19.21 | knivsta | arahael, whyyyyyyyyy? What do NSA know that we don't? |
| 07:19.33 | knivsta | arahael, probably but how does it even matter? |
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| 07:19.43 | knivsta | Exit node see TLS/DHE/ECDHE? |
| 07:20.32 | arahael | knivsta: Regardless of teh technical difficulties, they could trace the packets back and then get a warrant for your house if they were sufficiently encouraged to do so. |
| 07:21.09 | knivsta | arahael, how can they know it was me? |
| 07:21.15 | knivsta | without any identifiers? |
| 07:21.24 | knivsta | :/ |
| 07:21.39 | valdyn | knivsta: if you are not important, then its enough to make it a little hard for them. If you are, then you need alot more than encryption |
| 07:21.52 | arahael | knivsta: "identification" is such a vague concept in the real world. |
| 07:22.25 | knivsta | valdyn, What more can I technically do? |
| 07:22.47 | valdyn | knivsta: i dont know if you can |
| 07:22.57 | arahael | knivsta: I'd stop using US services, for starters, such as google. And definitely avoid google's DNS. |
| 07:23.13 | knivsta | arahael, I don't already? I never used Google anything |
| 07:23.21 | valdyn | knivsta: breaking encryption does not come free, not for the nsa, not for anyone, it costs money |
| 07:23.33 | arahael | knivsta: You'd be surprised. When google goes down, it almost breaks the web these days. |
| 07:23.36 | valdyn | knivsta: at some point breaking into your house is cheaper than breaking your encryption |
| 07:24.00 | knivsta | valdyn, what if I am using a Laptop with Libreboot? and FDE? |
| 07:24.09 | knivsta | they cannot break into it even if they take my HDD? |
| 07:24.23 | arahael | knivsta: You'd be surprised. |
| 07:24.35 | knivsta | I sleep with my laptop next to me hehe :) so they cannot implant keylogger |
| 07:24.42 | valdyn | knivsta: and at some point its cheaper to torture you than to break your hdd |
| 07:24.56 | knivsta | arahael, I don't care about Google Microsoft I don't use them they don't exist for me |
| 07:25.24 | knivsta | valdyn, ya that works for sure, they can intoxicate me bt it would work only if I am alone |
| 07:25.32 | knivsta | because whole of Family would witness it |
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| 07:25.52 | knivsta | they might have to kidnap me along with laptop |
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| 07:26.03 | cast | knivsta: is that a regular consumer router? |
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| 07:26.13 | arahael | knivsta: If they feel they must, they surely could. |
| 07:26.23 | knivsta | cast, its LibreCMC (fully free OpenWRT) router |
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| 07:26.39 | arahael | knivsta: Is the _hardware_ circuitry fully free? |
| 07:26.46 | knivsta | arahael, yep :) |
| 07:26.50 | knivsta | its fully free hardware :) |
| 07:26.57 | knivsta | they change a lot of stuff |
| 07:27.04 | knivsta | arahael, do you want a link? |
| 07:27.46 | arahael | knivsta: Well, in light of recent discoveries, I would feel safest assuming that the NSA is fully able to defeat anything. |
| 07:28.00 | cast | knivsta: i have a slight worry that with a single remote linux exploit, one could get all the way in. but, i've also been too lazy to switch back to openbsd |
| 07:28.38 | arahael | cast: shellshock shocked a lot of people. (Even though I feel that debian, for the most part, was safe - even if by accideent) |
| 07:28.41 | cast | eg: if the router *and* computer both run linux, i'd perhaps prefer the router running obsd and the computer running linux |
| 07:29.10 | arahael | It helps having an insane lead dev for obsd. :) |
| 07:29.13 | knivsta | cast, hehe |
| 07:29.22 | knivsta | arahael, ok then we are not safe from NSA at all |
| 07:29.23 | knivsta | :/ |
| 07:29.25 | knivsta | I am crying now |
| 07:29.39 | cast | arahael: yeah, that one was a bit awkward. turn on computer to check news, aww damnit compromised. |
| 07:29.42 | arahael | knivsta: If you're truely paranoid, just airgap your systems. |
| 07:30.35 | arahael | knivsta: Though, it's also possible to hack around the airgap, but then, the easier solution is simply to walk in and grab it. |
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| 07:31.15 | arahael | cast: I was thankful that debian didn't use bash as teh system shell. :) |
| 07:31.25 | arahael | But OS X and redhat derived systems still do. :( |
| 07:31.52 | knivsta | arahael, I don't understand what you mean by airgap? |
| 07:32.11 | cast | so RH but not deb systems were affected? hah, i'll have to remember that next time someones telling me you can't trust those projects run by non-companies... |
| 07:32.11 | valdyn | knivsta: it means "no network" |
| 07:32.28 | valdyn | but thats almost silly when your display is a radio transmitter |
| 07:32.30 | arahael | knivsta: Completely separate all your sensitive data from other systems by a literal gap of air, without any wifi signals.) |
| 07:33.00 | arahael | cast: Seemed that way. :) |
| 07:33.18 | arahael | cast: Debian had the security bug in it's bash, but it wasn't the system shell. |
| 07:33.27 | arahael | cast: (Unless I'm very badly mistaken) |
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| 07:33.50 | arahael | Anyway. Dinner time! |
| 07:33.52 | knivsta | arahael, Can I still use LAN network or not even that? |
| 07:34.01 | arahael | knivsta: Nope. |
| 07:35.04 | arahael | knivsta: Well, yes... Provided that that LAN is completely separated. I agree with valdyn though - as a security measure, it's almost silly. |
| 07:35.07 | knivsta | arahael, omg so system without any link to outside world is safe :) lol |
| 07:35.33 | arahael | knivsta: For most normal purposes, yes. Except you can bypass airgapped systems. |
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| 07:35.55 | arahael | knivsta: (But it's increasonly difficult) |
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| 07:42.15 | cast | i think you be acceptably safe on the internet nowdays, it's just annoying. like there doesn't appear to be a good browser option, so modern web browsing is off the cards |
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| 07:43.52 | arahael | right now it is almost a fad. people want https everywhere - including static politicians pages. |
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| 07:44.54 | cast | on the network side, you could have layer 2 devices monitoring traffic. to an outsider, it looks like just another dumb switch. though for you, its logging all that network traffic. though that in itself is annoying to look over for suspicious events when...trying to browse the web, because of the amount of noise |
| 07:45.10 | arahael | not to mention, you've just broken all the proxies. |
| 07:46.13 | arahael | Though as I understand it, the browsers don't really support mix-origin sites for sensitive data. |
| 07:46.25 | arahael | (Too much of security is an afterthought) |
| 07:47.36 | cast | i have no idea what my browser does :( everytime it crashes, i think to myself that *that time* might have been a potential exploit trying to happen |
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| 07:48.04 | arahael | cast: I tend to surf most of my sites at home and on android using firefox - with all javascript disabled. |
| 07:48.41 | arahael | cast: It's so much faster - and more reliable. I then use chrome for everything else that absolutely must have javascript. (Plus, chrome has flash, and everythingh) |
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| 07:48.57 | arahael | cast: Just browsing smh.com.au results in at least a MB of javascript. |
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| 07:49.37 | arahael | (And oddly... Disabling javascript has the side effect of disabling the paywall - which is very strange) |
| 07:51.05 | arahael | The inconvenience of not having javascript, to me, is offset by having a more reliable browser. :) |
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| 08:20.45 | BenNZ | hi im using for f in **/*.avi; do avconv -i "$f" -c:v libx264 -c:a copy "${f%.avi}.mp4"; done which works however it converts the video in the same folder as the avi file , however if i specify the path of the output file as for f in **/*.avi; do avconv -i "$f" -c:v libx264 -c:a copy "/mnt/usb/${f%.avi}.mp4"; done i get errors about /mnt/usb/Movies/test1.mp4 doesnt exist , is there a way to create the required folders at the same ? |
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| 08:28.05 | zxd | BenNZ: ask in #bash |
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| 08:32.09 | cybrNaut | ,v isohybrid |
| 08:32.22 | cybrNaut | ,v hybridiso |
| 08:32.25 | BenNZ | zxd: ok thanks i will |
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| 08:33.34 | enyc | wonders how to debug /etc/environment not being loaded in a wheezy system updated to jessie |
| 08:34.03 | enyc | something in booting systemd to lightdm ... variables from /etc/environment no longer activated! |
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| 08:40.05 | cybrNaut | what happened to hybridiso? |
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| 08:40.19 | cybrNaut | http://snapshot.debian.org/binary/hybridiso/ <= 404 not found |
| 08:40.50 | cybrNaut | https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=hybridiso <= "Sorry, your search gave no results" |
| 08:41.12 | cybrNaut | where is judd? |
| 08:41.18 | cybrNaut | is debian under new management? |
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| 08:44.02 | bazhang | ,v genisoimage |
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| 08:47.18 | aRealFemaleOnIRC | anyone know how to change the associated email account on public gpg key that I do not have the private key to? or a workaround? using clawsmail and GPG, and some of my clients use email accounts differing from that which they created their GPG key with. it causes me endless issues. |
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| 08:48.39 | bazhang | ,v seahorse |
| 08:49.54 | valdyn | aRealFemaleOnIRC: so they should fix their keys |
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| 08:50.24 | aRealFemaleOnIRC | valdyn, they SHOULD, but I already hassle my clients enough to use PGP in the first place |
| 08:50.56 | bazhang | dpkg, whats up |
| 08:50.56 | dpkg | nothing much mate, you ? |
| 08:51.23 | cybrNaut | aRealFemaleOnIRC: try #gnupg |
| 08:51.29 | aRealFemaleOnIRC | bazhang,bazhang, so with seahorse my issues will be resolved? what particular feature will I be exploiting? |
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| 08:52.06 | aRealFemaleOnIRC | cybrNaut, will do |
| 08:52.17 | valdyn | aRealFemaleOnIRC: I dont use claws, in plain sylpheed i can just search the key db |
| 08:52.25 | cybrNaut | aRealFemaleOnIRC: it's a good question though.. some clients are crippled, and only able to associate keys with email addresses on the key, so it would make sense that someone would have the need to change addresses on someone elses pubkey |
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| 08:54.13 | valdyn | aRealFemaleOnIRC: so i just enter "chris" or any partial match and pick the key, done |
| 08:54.16 | cybrNaut | mutt is a good client for GPG.. doesn't have that problem |
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| 08:54.56 | cybrNaut | there is also thunderbird+enigma |
| 08:55.01 | aRealFemaleOnIRC | valdyn, i used sylpheed for a while but got annoyed after a year or so of never being able to cue emails for sending when it was checking one of my many email accounts. also, I *can* search the db through claws, but... some of my clients registered their keys with email addresses like "fish@fish.fish" -- and how the hell am I supposed to remember what idiot did that? |
| 08:55.36 | valdyn | aRealFemaleOnIRC: ah, they dont have a name associated either? |
| 08:55.53 | aRealFemaleOnIRC | name: fish email: fish@fish.fish |
| 08:55.54 | aRealFemaleOnIRC | lol |
| 08:56.17 | cybrNaut | aRealFemaleOnIRC: in that case, mutt would be good. in mutt, you can pin GPG UIDs to recipients |
| 08:56.23 | valdyn | aRealFemaleOnIRC: hmm, so you really need to set a static assignment key to email address |
| 08:56.45 | valdyn | aRealFemaleOnIRC: which sylpheed does not support either, as far as i can tell |
| 08:58.28 | cybrNaut | in mutt: "pgp-hook fish@fish.fish 0x457960AD" |
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| 08:59.13 | aRealFemaleOnIRC | cybrNaut, looks promising. spending time learning about mutt now |
| 08:59.14 | cybrNaut | or "pgp-hook real.address@tutanota.de 0x457960AD" |
| 08:59.41 | cybrNaut | aRealFemaleOnIRC: might be a painful learning curve.. but worth it |
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| 09:02.52 | cybrNaut | aRealFemaleOnIRC: btw, there is good reason for PGP users to put bogus addresses on their PGP key: key servers are harvested by spambots |
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| 09:04.54 | aRealFemaleOnIRC | cybrNaut, a high learning curve is not a deterrent for me when it comes to crypto. as for spam bots, yeah, I know. I'm not sure these clients have their keys even submitted to a keyserver though |
| 09:05.41 | aRealFemaleOnIRC | cybrNaut, I'm promoting the spread of PGP/GPG by offering a 5% discount for orders placed on my website with PGP - thus, new users |
| 09:06.14 | aRealFemaleOnIRC | cybrNaut, and some of them seek privacy, as my website sells marijuana by mail |
| 09:06.28 | cybrNaut | aRealFemaleOnIRC: nice! glad to hear that! i try to promote it myself by *forcing* suppliers to use it, and nudging clients to use it |
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| 09:08.33 | cybrNaut | aRealFemaleOnIRC: hushmail.com is also quite good for helping pgp spread, since a dumb user can create a hushmail account easily, without knowing the first thing about the key exchange |
| 09:09.34 | aRealFemaleOnIRC | cybrNaut, don't they host the private keys though and use PGP entirely in the backend? |
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| 09:10.30 | aRealFemaleOnIRC | haven't used hushmail since they decided to comply with Canadian courts |
| 09:10.31 | cybrNaut | aRealFemaleOnIRC: i believe the private keys (which they store) are themselves encrypted |
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| 09:11.05 | cybrNaut | aRealFemaleOnIRC: right, hm is not as good as doing your own crypto, but it's the best option for dumb users |
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| 09:12.18 | cybrNaut | with the steroid bust, i think hushmail had to send javascript malware to the suspect to collect their password |
| 09:12.33 | cybrNaut | i'm speculating though.. but it's the only way to explain what happened |
| 09:12.34 | aRealFemaleOnIRC | yeah, they had an interesting concept and were very promising until they started backdooring their software |
| 09:13.23 | aRealFemaleOnIRC | I don't think it was javascript - I think at the time it was an actual java application that they compromised |
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| 09:14.01 | cybrNaut | it's possible.. either way the browser is just going to trust the app that comes from the trusted site |
| 09:14.01 | aRealFemaleOnIRC | years ago, but they now very specifically state that their service is not for illegal uses and that they comply with Canadian law. |
| 09:14.10 | aRealFemaleOnIRC | yup |
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| 09:14.53 | aRealFemaleOnIRC | there is another service like it that interests me, but it only offers webmail due to their proprietary software -- protonmail.ch |
| 09:14.55 | cybrNaut | protonmail.ch is something to keep an eye on.. users have 2 passwords, one for access, the other for crypto |
| 09:15.05 | aRealFemaleOnIRC | right right:D |
| 09:15.55 | cybrNaut | tutanota.de looks more like a hushmail replacement - they have plans to offer open access to their pgp keyserver |
| 09:17.03 | alfon | Hi, how can I remove all packages for a certain repository? for example: all debian multimedia packages |
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| 09:17.08 | cybrNaut | countermail is probably the best, but they charge, thus no anonymity |
| 09:18.04 | cybrNaut | alfon: i think if you remove the repo from sources.list, and do an update, then the aptitude UI will recommend removals |
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| 09:19.37 | cybrNaut | aptitude considers anything that does not exist in the repos to be "obsolete" |
| 09:19.38 | alfon | cybrNaut: ok, I was thinking to remove all packages before update |
| 09:19.44 | jelly | cybrNaut: if you see a bot missing for a long time, poke #debian-ops, that will be easier to notice. |
| 09:20.05 | cybrNaut | jelly: k |
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| 09:22.38 | jelly | aRealFemaleOnIRC: don't give me a reason. |
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| 09:27.34 | cybrNaut | after upgrading to jessie, "syslinux-utils" is no longer installed, and aptitude show says: "Breaks: syslinux (< 3:6.00~pre4+dfsg-5~), syslinux (< 3:6.00~pre4+dfsg-5~), syslinux-common (< 3:6.00~pre4+dfsg-5~), syslinux-common (< 3:6.00~pre4+dfsg-5~)" |
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| 09:28.51 | jelly | cybrNaut: install it back, and consult your upgrade logs to see if anything else had been removed |
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| 09:30.14 | jelly | ,v syslinux-utils |
| 09:30.15 | judd | Package: syslinux-utils on amd64 -- jessie: 3:6.03+dfsg-5; stretch: 3:6.03+dfsg-7; sid: 3:6.03+dfsg-7 |
| 09:30.19 | cybrNaut | i did a "why syslinux", and got "unetbootin Depends syslinux". guess i have to remove unetbootin. |
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| 09:31.30 | cybrNaut | i wanted to keep unetbootin, because it's the only way to install some things.. but if I have to choose, i suppose isohybrid will win |
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| 09:33.05 | jelly | keeping obsolete packages during the release upgrade can make apt do different choices; you can install that stuff back afterwards (even if you have to reenable an older repo) |
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| 09:35.50 | cybrNaut | bazhang: i'm not sure if you were trying to hint that genisoimage can do what I need. Can genisoimage take an exsiting ISO image, and make it bootable from a USB drive? |
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| 09:38.06 | cybrNaut | i'll just remove unetbootin then.. seems to be a path of least resistence |
| 09:38.12 | bazhang | not the primary purpose no cybrNaut |
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| 09:39.02 | bazhang | debian iso are hybrid, so lots of options outside of unetbootin |
| 09:39.49 | bazhang | I'd venture to say unetbootin is reaching ndiswrapper levels of usage |
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| 09:42.32 | hyper_ch | howdy, what's the best way to create a bootable usb stick for the netinstall image? |
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| 09:44.14 | hyper_ch | I tried copying the netinstall image on a fat32 usb stick but it won't boot |
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| 09:44.56 | nkuttler | hyper_ch: you can't just copy the iso onto a filesystem, it is a filesystem |
| 09:44.58 | petern_ | You need to write it to the device, not a fat32 filesystem. |
| 09:44.59 | alad | hyper_ch: dd |
| 09:45.03 | cybrNaut | hyper_ch: dd if=netinst.iso of=/dev/sdb |
| 09:45.14 | cybrNaut | where /dev/sdb is whatever the USB drive is |
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| 09:45.24 | petern_ | cp netinst.iso /dev/sdb |
| 09:45.38 | hyper_ch | ah...... now I get it :) thx |
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| 09:52.22 | meaneye | Hey guys. Something happened recently and my VolUp/Down buttons don't work on my ThinkPad anymore. |
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| 09:52.40 | meaneye | Anyone knows the reason for this? |
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| 09:55.36 | alad | meaneye: define "something" (updates, configuration changes, etc...), and your thinkpad model |
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| 09:56.25 | meaneye | alad, I don't know what changed. xev use to show XF86VolumeDown or whatever, now just shows key notify, and no specific code. Thinkpad X1 Carbon |
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| 10:00.20 | alad | meaneye: /var/log/dpkg.log would be a place to start. testing or stable? |
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| 10:00.29 | meaneye | alad, testing. |
| 10:00.51 | meaneye | alad, Am not sure dpkg.log will help you in this case. I think this change happened quite a while ago. |
| 10:01.51 | alad | meaneye: as a test, do you see the right events with acpi_listen? (from acpid) |
| 10:01.59 | meaneye | Let me check. |
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| 10:02.12 | meaneye | Yes |
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| 10:03.32 | hyper_ch | petern_: alad: cybrNaut: thx, all works fine now :) |
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| 10:06.06 | alad | meaneye: idk why it doesn't work in xorg then, maybe https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Extra_keyboard_keys#In_Xorg can help |
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| 10:06.19 | alad | meaneye: you could also transfer your amixer or similar commands to acpid until you find a solution |
| 10:06.37 | meaneye | Thanks. |
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| 10:06.43 | meaneye | Will do. |
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| 10:18.21 | hassoon | why is linux-magazine still in debian 6 |
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| 10:18.32 | hassoon | i mean linux-mag.com |
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| 10:22.12 | alad | what |
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| 10:22.38 | alad | I guess the site is dead |
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| 10:24.19 | alad | "CentOS 5.6 Finally Arrives: Is It Suitable for Business Use?" |
| 10:24.19 | alad | lol |
| 10:24.31 | teclo- | heh |
| 10:24.48 | teclo- | that's hilarious |
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| 10:34.15 | GPenguin | is /etc/debian_version still the right place to obtain the installed version? |
| 10:34.43 | alad | GPenguin: why wouldn't it be? what are you trying to do? |
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| 10:35.27 | GPenguin | nothing fancy. just a little script that tries to make sure "jessie or newer" is used |
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| 10:38.39 | hassoon | lsb_release |
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| 10:40.37 | GPenguin | thats even nicer, thanks |
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| 10:41.32 | hassoon | oh that worked? |
| 10:41.54 | GPenguin | nods |
| 10:42.06 | hassoon | there is /etc/issue too |
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| 10:55.28 | abrotman | !version |
| 10:55.28 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r, or cat /proc/version. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_ , or run apt-cache policy <packagename>. Miscellaneous commands: try --version on the command. For the version of Debian, ask me about <debian suite>. |
| 10:55.36 | abrotman | dpkg: tell GPenguin about debian suite |
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| 11:03.56 | rmblrd21 | hello. got a problem with gnome shell in gnome 3.14. after using it for half an hour, cpu usage goes up to 70-90 % and does not go down until i log out. disabled extensions, still the same. any idea what could cause that? standard debian 8 install |
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| 11:06.17 | hassoon | rmblrd21: what is your pu |
| 11:06.20 | hassoon | *cpu |
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| 11:06.47 | abrotman | rmblrd21: are you running a browsre? |
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| 11:08.14 | rmblrd21 | cpu core 2 duo |
| 11:08.21 | rmblrd21 | browser - no |
| 11:08.56 | abrotman | did oyu use 'top' or similar to look to see what's using the CPU? |
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| 11:10.06 | rmblrd21 | yes |
| 11:10.16 | rmblrd21 | gnome-shell is using the cpu |
| 11:10.37 | rmblrd21 | 15038 debian 20 0 1832588 436880 51716 R 97.3 10.9 15:23.66 gnome-shell |
| 11:10.43 | rmblrd21 | top output |
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| 11:11.04 | rmblrd21 | means gnome-shell is using cpu by 97,3% |
| 11:11.04 | CuteAlien | Hi. I know kde users are always a minority here, but maybe someone has experience this: kmail sends mails out with the wrong email-address instead of the one used in the selected identity. It claims to use the identity - even showing that mail-address in the outbox - but as receiver it's obvious it didn't use that one. |
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| 11:11.38 | CuteAlien | Don't know when it started, but wasn't that way back in debian 7. |
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| 11:11.51 | valdyn | CuteAlien: any particular reason why you think its kmail doing the rewrite and not your mta ? |
| 11:12.03 | CuteAlien | valdyn, what's a mta? |
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| 11:12.40 | valdyn | CuteAlien: in kmail where / how do you specific the delivery method? |
| 11:12.42 | free_speech | kmail is an mta, thunderbird is an mta ... mta stands for mail transfer agent. @ CuteAlien |
| 11:12.50 | valdyn | free_speech: no |
| 11:13.17 | valdyn | CuteAlien: in kmail you may or may not specific an smtp server |
| 11:13.17 | free_speech | valdyn, how? |
| 11:13.17 | lebor | I upgraded from squeeze to jessie and now I have some systemd issues on my VPS. When I try to run the ssh init script I get "Failed to get D-Bus connection: Connection refused" |
| 11:13.26 | valdyn | free_speech: kmail = mua |
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| 11:13.35 | valdyn | free_speech: exim / postfix = mta |
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| 11:13.48 | free_speech | what does the "u" stand for ? |
| 11:13.53 | valdyn | CuteAlien: user |
| 11:13.56 | valdyn | free_speech: user |
| 11:14.13 | valdyn | CuteAlien: in kmail you probably specified the smtp server, or maybe you did not |
| 11:14.21 | valdyn | CuteAlien: we dont know, you tell us |
| 11:14.58 | CuteAlien | valdyn, ok, sorry - I found it when checking advanced options. Obviously something did go wrong on update. It has an option "Outgoing account" now which is enabled by default and using that other email-address. Problem solved :-) |
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| 11:17.57 | CuteAlien | hm, no - there is that option - but changing it the bug stays the same :-( |
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| 11:18.09 | lebor | Ugh. I get the D-Bus connection refused message on a ton of commands. Can't even get the network going :( |
| 11:18.26 | valdyn | lebor: reboot |
| 11:18.32 | lebor | valdyn: Done twice :( |
| 11:18.51 | valdyn | lebor: is your upgrade to jessie incomplete? |
| 11:19.13 | lebor | valdyn: afaik yes. I didn't get any errors during dist-upgrade |
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| 11:19.58 | lebor | # reboot |
| 11:20.00 | lebor | Failed to talk to init daemon. |
| 11:20.02 | lebor | lol |
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| 11:20.16 | valdyn | lebor: so you didnt |
| 11:20.23 | lebor | Where did I fail? |
| 11:20.24 | valdyn | lebor: or your upgrade is incomplete |
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| 11:20.40 | valdyn | lebor: show us your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 11:20.56 | valdyn | lebor: and the output for "uname -r" |
| 11:22.14 | CuteAlien | OK, figure it out now. Outgoing account has to be enabled and set per provider. When just disabling it then it uses what it used before. |
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| 11:23.34 | lebor | valdyn: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/2209c68d87c9b069efa0 |
| 11:24.09 | valdyn | lebor: looks a virtual machine |
| 11:24.13 | lebor | It is |
| 11:24.21 | valdyn | lebor: you installed systemd when upgrading |
| 11:24.28 | valdyn | lebor: but systemd requires a newer kernel |
| 11:24.31 | abrotman | VPS? |
| 11:24.35 | lebor | Hmm |
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| 11:24.45 | valdyn | lebor: you cant use systemd. Try to switch back to sysvinit. |
| 11:24.47 | abrotman | A bunch of wrong sources there |
| 11:25.40 | teclo- | yeah, what command should I type to upgrade my /home from ext3 to ext4 ? |
| 11:25.41 | valdyn | lebor: dotdeb is frowned upon, but that has got nothing to do with your current problem. 2.6.32 just cant use jessie systemd |
| 11:25.44 | alad | only 2.6 kernel I know of that supports systemd is the redhat openvz one |
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| 11:27.05 | abrotman | dpkg: tell teclo- about ext3->ext4 |
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| 11:27.18 | maziar | how can i list installed program from source , on debiam jessie |
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| 11:27.26 | abrotman | valdyn: and the "jessie-lts" which doesn't exist. And using ftp.debian.org |
| 11:27.51 | abrotman | maziar: You realistically can't know unless you've kept all sources in one directory, etc |
| 11:28.00 | abrotman | dpkg: tell maziar about cruft |
| 11:28.00 | teclo- | thank you abrotman... I won't get into issues with ext4, right ? |
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| 11:28.17 | abrotman | teclo-: FIIK, I have no idea what your workload is |
| 11:28.33 | lebor | abrotman: The lts ones are commented out :) |
| 11:28.40 | teclo- | abrotman: ah, well, that machine doesn't have a heavy load |
| 11:29.21 | lebor | valdyn: Any way to revert to sysv for now? |
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| 11:29.58 | maziar | is there any way to list installed application from source , on debian jessie |
| 11:29.59 | maziar | ? |
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| 11:30.30 | abrotman | maziar: I just told you |
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| 11:33.11 | yianni | system went all crazy after an apt-get upgrade :s |
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| 11:34.32 | alad | yianni: please provide details |
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| 11:37.45 | yianni | (1) Rebooted comp. and it defaulted to my windows boot. (2) FN keys are not working except hide screen commmand. (3) evolution stopped working |
| 11:38.26 | yianni | On testing build |
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| 11:43.03 | teclo- | hi, with Cinnamon, what's the equivalent of the "kdesu" command ? |
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| 11:51.23 | abrotman | teclo-: gksu or gksudo |
| 11:51.59 | teclo- | abrotman: ah thank you |
| 11:52.12 | teclo- | abrotman: basically, "in Cinammon" is more or less "in Gnome" then ? |
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| 11:55.48 | mrcirca | hello i need help about startx command....i want to execute automatically on boot |
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| 11:56.27 | abrotman | teclo-: in "GTK" I suppose |
| 11:56.28 | Doxin | so is there a reason the python-cairo package is compiled without xpyb support? |
| 11:56.34 | abrotman | mrcirca: so use a DM, like GDM or KDM or SLIM |
| 11:56.37 | abrotman | dpkg: tell mrcirca about dm |
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| 12:00.30 | mrcirca | what is dm? |
| 12:00.34 | mrcirca | deamon? |
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| 12:01.12 | srg | Display Manager |
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| 12:01.19 | abrotman | mrcirca: the bot told you |
| 12:01.39 | mrcirca | i am using i3wm |
| 12:01.46 | mrcirca | Windows Manager |
| 12:01.56 | abrotman | okay, and? |
| 12:02.19 | mrcirca | Do i need dm ? |
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| 12:02.41 | abrotman | you asked how to start Xorg at boot time .. that's what a DM does |
| 12:02.47 | abrotman | (well, and other things as well) |
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| 12:08.59 | alad | mc68030_: ... or just put startx in your .profile |
| 12:09.11 | alad | with the right test clause obviously |
| 12:09.32 | alad | [[ -z $DISPLAY ]] && startx |
| 12:09.34 | alad | or something |
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| 12:11.47 | alad | sorry, mrcirca |
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| 12:20.33 | rmblrd21 | any idea what could cause the high cpu load of gnome-shell after a while? |
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| 12:21.44 | mrcirca | i found it |
| 12:21.51 | mrcirca | thank you very mucj |
| 12:21.58 | mrcirca | much* |
| 12:22.08 | GPenguin | rmblrd21: can you can with htop what programs it executes that cause a high load? |
| 12:22.17 | GPenguin | can you catch i mean |
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| 12:24.11 | rmblrd21 | yes, gnome-shell is eating 70-80% |
| 12:24.25 | rmblrd21 | after around 30 minutes of running |
| 12:24.35 | rmblrd21 | until i log out and log in again |
| 12:25.11 | alad | rmblrd21: what GPU are you using? |
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| 12:26.15 | rmblrd21 | Mobile Intel® GM45 Express Chipset |
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| 12:26.49 | abrotman | rmblrd21: Have you tried waiting 10-15 minutes to see if it goes away? |
| 12:26.53 | rmblrd21 | yes |
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| 12:26.59 | rmblrd21 | does not go away |
| 12:27.36 | cyris212 | I'm building a small server to backup the data from my freenas... is it a dump idea to boot from a usb stick to safe a sata port? |
| 12:27.42 | rmblrd21 | maybe i should ask in the gnome channel |
| 12:27.47 | rmblrd21 | seems gnome specific |
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| 12:28.57 | abrotman | rmblrd21: you could try that (alternately, try a lighter DE like LXDE, see if it persists) |
| 12:29.08 | GPenguin | i see a similar problem as bug report in the redhat and the ubuntu tracker but i cant find a debian bug yet |
| 12:29.40 | alad | gnome has quite a few upstream issues regarding performance |
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| 12:30.16 | GPenguin | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=812624#c27 in case it matters |
| 12:30.27 | rmblrd21 | thx GPenguin |
| 12:31.10 | rmblrd21 | unfortunately pretty old and no fix for that it seems |
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| 12:32.13 | abrotman | and vague .. |
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| 12:34.53 | rmblrd21 | maybe it is an extension |
| 12:35.02 | rmblrd21 | although i disabled them all |
| 12:35.35 | rmblrd21 | would it be possible to dug deeper into the running process to see what exactly causes the cpu usage? |
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| 12:35.53 | GPenguin | with strace you mean? |
| 12:35.58 | rmblrd21 | maybe |
| 12:36.35 | abrotman | or ltrace |
| 12:36.42 | rmblrd21 | i see perf could do that |
| 12:36.59 | rmblrd21 | thx for the help, I'll try to investigate a bit more on this |
| 12:37.04 | abrotman | rmblrd21: again, I'd try another DE, like LXDE. Ensure it's not a different issue before you wander all over Gnome trying to troubleshoot that |
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| 12:53.13 | GPenguin | for "postgres@empathie-club:/root$ createuser -DRS hoerbe" i get: Permission denied |
| 12:53.22 | GPenguin | but i used "su -s" as root |
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| 12:54.40 | abrotman | is there more to the error? |
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| 12:55.16 | GPenguin | oh. yes the full error is: could not change directory to "/root": Permission denied |
| 12:55.49 | abrotman | su - postgres |
| 12:57.46 | GPenguin | this works but i dont understand why "su -s /bin/bash postgres" does not |
| 12:58.20 | GPenguin | it changes the user but leaves it in the /root directory? |
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| 13:18.33 | superlinux | Hi. I build vanilla kernel 4.0.5 using make-kpkg --initrd binary. I installed the kernel-headers. I am facing always that they are not found. how can I make them found? |
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| 13:22.17 | superlinux | Hi. I build vanilla kernel 4.0.5 using make-kpkg --initrd binary. I installed the kernel-headers. I am facing always that they are not found. how can I make them found? |
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| 13:23.46 | towo` | superlinux, look in /lib/modules/$(uname -r) that there is a symlink build which points to the headers in /usr/src |
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| 13:24.09 | superlinux | towo`, ok let me see |
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| 13:24.25 | towo` | superlinux, btw, you should use make deb-pkg instead of make-kpkg |
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| 13:25.01 | fennesz | Hi guys ! is there any alternative to MS OneNote that would work in Debian ? |
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| 13:25.43 | abrotman | fennesz: which does what? |
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| 13:26.33 | fennesz | abrotman, keeping notes |
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| 13:26.46 | superlinux | towo`, is this link correct ? /lib/modules/4.0.5/source -> /usr/src/linux-4.0.5 |
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| 13:26.58 | abrotman | fennesz: Any editor would work for keeping notes. Maybe something like Tomboy? |
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| 13:27.05 | towo` | superlinux, source != build |
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| 13:27.35 | superlinux | towo`, there is also /lib/modules/4.0.5/build -> /usr/src/linux-4.0.5 |
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| 13:27.55 | fennesz | abrotman, I don't know Tomboy I will check that |
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| 13:28.20 | towo` | superlinux, then where you get the message about not found source? |
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| 13:28.30 | alad | fennesz: emacs |
| 13:28.33 | alad | :P |
| 13:28.34 | towo` | superlinux, and you have running this kernel? |
| 13:28.58 | superlinux | towo`, YES! i am running on linux 4.0.5 |
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| 13:29.35 | superlinux | but this headers error came when I was trying to build sophos antivirus |
| 13:29.43 | towo` | superlinux, uname -r sayes what? |
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| 13:29.58 | fennesz | alad, actually onenote is pretty because of it's capabilities of keeping text notes, printing websites to it , drawings |
| 13:30.03 | superlinux | towo`, 4.5.0 |
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| 13:30.19 | alad | emacs can do all that |
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| 13:30.38 | towo` | superlinux, you are sure, sophos supports linux-4.x? |
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| 13:30.50 | superlinux | I am not sure. |
| 13:30.55 | superlinux | I must see then |
| 13:31.27 | fennesz | ok let me check this too |
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| 13:32.31 | superlinux | towo`, which kernel comes in Ubuntu 15.04 ? |
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| 13:33.04 | superlinux | it supports Debian jessie too. |
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| 13:33.27 | superlinux | but I think cos I am using a new kernel I am facing that |
| 13:33.28 | towo` | superlinux, debian jessie has 3.16 |
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| 13:34.07 | abrotman | superlinux: what's wrong with the kernel in jessie? |
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| 13:35.09 | superlinux | abrotman, nothing my friend. it just I updated to vanilla kernel 4.0.5 . and it looks like some apps still not supporting it |
| 13:35.40 | abrotman | so why ask here instead of the kernel support channel? |
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| 13:36.16 | superlinux | abrotman, becuase I built the kernel using the make-kpkg tool |
| 13:36.28 | superlinux | and it produces debian pkgs |
| 13:36.34 | abrotman | superlinux: above, you were advised not to do that |
| 13:37.06 | superlinux | abrotman, anyways.. it's ok. nothing harmful happened |
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| 13:37.19 | superlinux | I can boot to 3.16 |
| 13:37.27 | superlinux | brb |
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| 13:38.23 | blackflow | isn't it wonderful when people ask for advice, get it, and then ignore it? |
| 13:39.05 | abrotman | Well, to be fair, he asked how to fix his problem, was told he was probably doing it the wrong way, and ignored that .. we didn't acatually fix his original problem directly :) |
| 13:39.39 | blackflow | still... :) |
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| 13:44.41 | mcordingley | I have a Debian guest on some hosting company's Xen server. Their site says to not upgrade the kernel, because it would cause boot issues. I set up automatic upgrades which (of course) upgraded the kernel. Is there some way that I can revert the kernel in such a way as to undo the damage? |
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| 13:46.13 | thearab | anyone else who doesn't like sandniggers? go there #arab @ irc.arabs.ps so we can laugh at them |
| 13:46.34 | bazhang | !ops | thearab |
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| 13:47.35 | AlsoFerris | Hi. I'm on debian squeeze, following a teamspeak setup guide. |
| 13:48.22 | abrotman | bazhang: no bot :( |
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| 13:48.36 | bazhang | sorry abrotman he already left |
| 13:48.43 | abrotman | I see that |
| 13:48.56 | bazhang | tab completed then gone |
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| 13:50.19 | AlsoFerris | thanks bazhang |
| 13:50.20 | AlsoFerris | Following this guide (https://www.vultr.com/docs/setting-up-teamspeak-3-on-debian-wheezy), the final line ends in "unknown id: teamspeak" |
| 13:50.20 | AlsoFerris | Anyone know what's going on |
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| 13:52.06 | abrotman | oh .. was, it's gone |
| 13:52.07 | abrotman | oh well |
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| 13:52.42 | FerrisFerris | sorry. If anyone answered, my internet fell off for a moment. |
| 13:52.49 | FerrisFerris | you'll have to repeat yourselkf |
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| 13:55.12 | mcordingley | Wait... I misread the logs. I did _not_ mess up my system. :) |
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| 14:03.45 | teclo- | I think there's something wrong with grub, or perhaps am I not using it properly |
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| 14:04.49 | teclo- | I'm about to install 8.x so I copied my / and /var filesystem from sda6,sda7 to sda8,sda9 |
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| 14:05.19 | teclo- | so the goal is to have 8.x on sda6,sda7 and 7.8 on sda8,sda9 |
| 14:05.34 | frostschutz | teclo-, ...and? |
| 14:05.51 | teclo- | of course I edited /etc/fstab on sda9 so that it has /var on /dev/sda8 and / on /dev/sda9 |
| 14:06.00 | teclo- | and, well, I run update-grub |
| 14:06.01 | dvs | If you moved the partitions then grub needs to be updated |
| 14:06.11 | teclo- | dvs: I know |
| 14:06.25 | teclo- | grub runs and finds eveyrthing, the new and and the old partition |
| 14:06.51 | teclo- | but, however, when tring to boot from sda9, sda7 is mounted as / |
| 14:07.03 | frostschutz | teclo-, chroot and update initramfs? |
| 14:07.04 | teclo- | I was scratching my head till I foud out |
| 14:07.23 | teclo- | frostschutz: no, to me it's 30_os-prober who does something wrong |
| 14:07.40 | teclo- | menuentry "Debian GNU/Linux 7.8, with Linux 3.2.0-4-amd64 (on /dev/sda9)" |
| 14:07.43 | teclo- | and then, look: |
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| 14:07.56 | abrotman | it's still a VPS |
| 14:08.14 | teclo- | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:08.17 | teclo- | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:08.36 | teclo- | the "search" line has th right UIUD |
| 14:08.44 | teclo- | but the "linux" like has the wrong UIUD |
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| 14:09.14 | teclo- | and in my opinion that's because os-prober didn't properly find the real root fs |
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| 14:09.38 | frostschutz | I don't use the os prober. in case of separate boot partition it wouldn't know which root fs to use. if it looks at the grub.cfg in your copy and that used the old root that may be the issue... |
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| 14:09.54 | frostschutz | same if it looks at initramfs and you didn't update em |
| 14:10.23 | frostschutz | so the question is how does os prober work and how is it supposed to guess which partition goes with which kernel etc. |
| 14:10.47 | teclo- | frostschutz: ah, I didn't update initramfs, but I'm gonna update it... I need to boot on the old system and to "update-initramfs" right ? |
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| 14:11.02 | frostschutz | boot the new system once manually, update initramfs and update grub from there and see if the detect works better then |
| 14:11.29 | teclo- | frostschutz: ok gonna do that, thanks a lot :) |
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| 14:11.41 | frostschutz | did you copy the partitions with dd? |
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| 14:13.49 | badbodh | grub-install /dev/sd9 ? or does that work only on buntu ? |
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| 14:14.51 | towo` | this would nowhere work |
| 14:14.51 | bazhang | ,v grub-install |
| 14:14.52 | judd | No package named 'grub-install' was found in amd64. |
| 14:15.08 | bazhang | perhaps os-prober |
| 14:15.11 | towo` | /dev/sd9 is not a valid device |
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| 14:15.38 | towo` | grub install is a part of grub2-common |
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| 14:18.43 | badbodh | towo`, sda9 not sd9 |
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| 14:20.44 | badbodh | my bad |
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| 14:21.40 | os_ | hi. i think i have found an incorrect link in wiki.debian.org |
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| 14:22.42 | os_ | it is in page: https://wiki.debian.org/SourcePackage |
| 14:23.25 | GPenguin | when the package "php5-cli" is installed i should be able to run anything with "php5 file.php", right? |
| 14:23.39 | os_ | apt-build link forwards to a spain-speaking page.. am i alright? |
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| 14:24.35 | badbodh | GPenguin, define 'anything' /jk |
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| 14:25.04 | abrotman | GPenguin: do yo uhave a problem with that? |
| 14:25.19 | GPenguin | i am serious. when i run "php5 file.php" it chews out the code on the screen instead of executing it |
| 14:25.33 | abrotman | GPenguin: your PHP is malformed |
| 14:25.44 | leva | You have to add <?php |
| 14:25.54 | abrotman | or <? depending on your config |
| 14:25.58 | abrotman | curses at CentOS |
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| 14:29.05 | teclo- | frostschutz: you were right, indeed, upgrading initramfs solved the problem, thanks alot :) |
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| 14:30.04 | badbodh | teclo-, tell me what you did. gotta take a note. |
| 14:30.17 | teclo- | oh yes, is there some way of changing the naming of the menuentries in grub ? I mean, besides editing /boot/grub/grub.cfg (I suppose one should not edit that file these days) |
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| 14:30.36 | teclo- | badbodh: well, boot on the "old" 7.8 system, and there update-initramfs -u |
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| 14:30.48 | teclo- | then update-grub so it finds the right filesystem |
| 14:31.53 | badbodh | that's it? piece of cake, thanks. |
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| 14:32.01 | teclo- | badbodh: well indeed :) |
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| 14:32.15 | teclo- | it was my fault, I didn't take into consideration I had to update initramfs |
| 14:32.29 | dvs | grr! |
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| 14:33.16 | GPenguin | i can hardly believe that none of these forum users notices that you cant install the current forum version |
| 14:33.48 | badbodh | oh i love to see you suffer |
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| 14:33.57 | GPenguin | i know |
| 14:35.29 | os_ | hi. i think i have found an incorrect link in wiki.debian.org |
| 14:35.33 | os_ | it is in page: https://wiki.debian.org/SourcePackage |
| 14:35.45 | os_ | apt-build link forwards to a spain-speaking page.. |
| 14:36.04 | badbodh | *espanol |
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| 14:36.34 | os_ | yes, thank you |
| 14:36.38 | badbodh | :P |
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| 14:36.59 | abrotman | os_: it's a wiki, feel free to edit it |
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| 14:38.26 | os_ | ah, ok |
| 14:38.51 | os_ | i need an account? |
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| 14:39.32 | os_ | have many accounts to manage |
| 14:39.42 | alad | keepass ftw |
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| 14:40.17 | GPenguin | i dont get it. version 1.58, 1.57 and 1.4.13 have all this problem? |
| 14:40.23 | GPenguin | and no user complains? |
| 14:40.30 | GPenguin | i must be doing something wrong |
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| 14:42.21 | TJ- | GPenguin: if you're trying to install a web-based application then usually the setup functions are executed via *the web server* not at a command line |
| 14:42.36 | abrotman | GPenguin: you're not giving us any details ... |
| 14:42.45 | os_ | there is no english apt-build page in wiki.. |
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| 14:47.44 | Tau | i'm trying to get kvm-ok command running. |
| 14:47.55 | Tau | but it says command not found despite i have installed all needed packages |
| 14:47.59 | Tau | that are listed on |
| 14:48.01 | Tau | https://wiki.debian.org/KVM |
| 14:48.19 | Tau | i need it running because i want to run some android app with android studio. |
| 14:48.23 | babilen_ | kvm-ok ? |
| 14:48.44 | Tau | yeah. so it says. |
| 14:48.47 | babilen | Where? |
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| 14:49.53 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:50.25 | babilen | That command doesn't exist. Why do you think that it does? What refers to that command? |
| 14:50.32 | Tau | hold on. |
| 14:50.36 | babilen | holds on |
| 14:50.55 | Tau | http://askubuntu.com/questions/564910/kvm-is-not-installed-on-this-machine-dev-kvm-is-missing |
| 14:51.16 | Tau | they say that i need to check whether kvm is ok with that command. |
| 14:51.22 | babilen | That seems to be about Ubuntu |
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| 14:52.02 | Tau | it seems i dont have kvm modules either. |
| 14:52.07 | Tau | when i try to run kvm... |
| 14:52.08 | Tau | i get it.. |
| 14:52.24 | Tau | http://codepad.org/tp1m4A04 |
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| 14:52.41 | Tau | so, is there a way to use android studio ? |
| 14:52.53 | Tau | is there some way to 'fake' the situation? |
| 14:53.16 | seefood | hello people, anyone running a private server here? not an ephemeral cloud image... I was wandering if Jessie is now ready enough for me to upgrade to it, or if I might want to wait another month or two... |
| 14:53.17 | babilen | So, did you actually install qemu-kvm? |
| 14:53.29 | babilen | seefood: sure |
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| 14:53.37 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:56.24 | babilen | Tau: Could you run "cat /proc/cpuinfo" ? Did you reboot? |
| 14:56.29 | Tau | hold on |
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| 14:57.33 | Tau | http://codepad.org/GX1aBwaE |
| 14:57.35 | Tau | i got it. |
| 14:58.14 | babilen | vmx in there, that's fine |
| 14:59.12 | Tau | i see. |
| 14:59.18 | Tau | so, what should i do? |
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| 15:00.08 | abrotman | "Hi, is Jessie actually released, or was that a test" |
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| 15:02.40 | badbodh | what if...jessie was a joseph before surgery *freaks out* |
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| 15:03.35 | abrotman | wonders if badbodh is just here to cause problems |
| 15:03.46 | allieRose | i mean wow |
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| 15:06.12 | babilen | Tau: Did you load the kvm kernel module? What happens if you run "qemu-system-x86_64 -enable-kvm" ? Which user do you run that as? Did you add that user to the groups mentioned on the Debian wiki? (and so on, .. I have training now and have to leave) |
| 15:07.34 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:07.37 | Tau | lemme try the command. |
| 15:08.07 | teclo- | ok I'm installing 8.1 from DVD but... it asked me if I wanted to use a mirror, I said yes, but I could not choose my own local mirror, I could only select countries.... |
| 15:08.08 | babilen | Tau: And kvm-intel is loaded? |
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| 15:08.24 | abrotman | teclo-: so do that |
| 15:08.38 | teclo- | abrotman: ah, ok :) |
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| 15:08.48 | Tau | it says couldnt insert the module |
| 15:08.56 | Tau | operation not permited when i try to load kvm-intel module. |
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| 15:09.33 | babilen | Tau: "dpkg -l 'qemu-kvm' 'qemu-system-*'" |
| 15:09.40 | babilen | Anyway, I have to go |
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| 15:10.58 | Tau | http://codepad.org/V29x4CZF |
| 15:11.00 | Tau | i get it. |
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| 15:14.01 | AlsoFerris | Hey |
| 15:14.04 | AlsoFerris | how do I create a new user? |
| 15:14.09 | AlsoFerris | adduser and useradd dont work. Squeeze. |
| 15:14.20 | AlsoFerris | i will speak with my provider. |
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| 15:16.28 | babilen | Tau: That doesn't appear to be a jessie system, but a wheezy one and you don't have a complete installation of qemu. All th ebest |
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| 15:18.45 | babilen | Which reminds me that I haven't used plain vanilla qemu on wheezy in a while. 2.1 is backports and the packages are different there ... sorry, assumed that you were using Debian stable (i.e. jessie) |
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| 15:20.45 | bzed | Tau: upgrading to jessie sounds like a good ideas. |
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| 15:36.50 | jamesmcm | I get E: Sub-process https received a segmentation fault. - when I try to apt-get update |
| 15:37.17 | jamesmcm | any ideas? |
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| 15:38.07 | valdyn | jamesmcm: broken files and/or broken hardware |
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| 16:04.11 | BondSys | #debain-offtopic |
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| 16:15.12 | antiatom | Hi all, I have a computer with Arch Linux installed on btrfs / filesystem, and I would like to install Debian onto it instead, but preserving the /home directory. Is this possible to preserve /home using btrfs volume feature but wipe all other directories and install Debian to the same filesystem? |
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| 16:16.25 | somiaj | antiatom: so /home isn't on another partition? |
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| 16:17.23 | BondSys | LOL |
| 16:17.24 | antiatom | somiaj: No, same partition and btrfs filesystem |
| 16:17.29 | Krakakanok | xDD |
| 16:17.37 | somiaj | antiatom: it is possible to install debian on a file system that is already created, and debian shoudlnt' be installing much in /home (except creating the default users $HOME), so if /home was the only thing on the filesystem it should be fine. |
| 16:17.48 | Krakakanok | BondSys change the pass xD |
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| 16:18.11 | somiaj | antiatom: issues I can think of is mostly 1) if you have other stuff on the file system besides /home you could have stuff hiding there from arch that could cause trouble in the future, so make sure /home is the only thing on the filesystem. |
| 16:18.12 | BondSys | Sure, haha! New to IRC! That's why all this mess! |
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| 16:19.07 | somiaj | antiatom: 2) debian may use different software than arch, in that case config files in your $HOME for your user may conflict with the debian versions/software causing unforseen effects with your user on some applications |
| 16:19.07 | antiatom | somiaj: Well I am concerned my machine was hacked, so I should probably wipe the filesystem on second thought. |
| 16:19.27 | antiatom | I will stop being lazy and just back up the data to external disks and wipe everything |
| 16:19.35 | somiaj | antiatom: but I belive the installer supports btfs so with those two considerations you should be able to do it. But I would still backup anything you deem important first. |
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| 16:26.54 | suitsmeveryfine | Hi. I the latest round of debian stretch updates a few hours ago disabled most of my media keys, including backlight and volume (on a macbook pro 11,1). Has anyone else experienced this regression? |
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| 16:28.58 | somiaj | suitsmeveryfine: I would check the bugreports, get a list of the packages you upgraded and see if any of them could be the issue. |
| 16:29.24 | somiaj | suitsmeveryfine: also install apt-listbugs. But I would first run 'xev' and see if your keys are being registered correctly and giving what look to be sane key names |
| 16:29.37 | somiaj | suitsmeveryfine: if that is the case, then the issue is with what ever destkop you are using and its keybindings. |
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| 16:32.40 | teclo- | hmmm I'm installing 8.1 on a new server and it says it can't get networking to work on eth0 |
| 16:32.45 | teclo- | however it's connected |
| 16:33.11 | teclo- | and I can see the lights blink |
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| 16:34.10 | suitsmeveryfine | somiaj: I'm running Gnome shell and there were a lot of gnome updates so I'm pretty sure that's were the issue is. That's why I also thought more people would have experienced the same thing. |
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| 16:36.04 | suitsmeveryfine | somiaj: "get a list of the packages you upgraded and see if any of them could be the issue.". Sorry, but how do I do that? |
| 16:36.45 | zh1 | teclo-, do a reboot |
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| 16:37.28 | jelly | teclo-: some server-based gigabit and 10g eth. require firmware |
| 16:38.06 | somiaj | suitsmeveryfine: check your log files, both apt and dpkg have logs in /var/log |
| 16:38.10 | teclo- | zh1: ah gonna try that |
| 16:38.19 | teclo- | jelly: well it's a Proliant DL380 G5 |
| 16:38.21 | jelly | teclo-: what does "lspci -nn |grep -i ether" say? |
| 16:38.24 | somiaj | suitsmeveryfine: apt's log will probabaly be easier as it will list all the packages in the last upgrade. |
| 16:38.28 | teclo- | not an "unusual" server |
| 16:38.37 | jelly | teclo-: you're going to need firmware-bnx2 |
| 16:38.44 | somiaj | suitsmeveryfine: and once you track down which package caused the issue check for then submit a bugreport. |
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| 16:38.46 | jelly | dpkg, tell teclo- about firmware images |
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| 16:39.19 | jelly | teclo-: the easiest thing to do is install from unofficial images which already have firmware |
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| 16:39.49 | suitsmeveryfine | somiaj: Thank you! Oh, I got many packages at the same time. How will I know which caused the issue? |
| 16:40.09 | jelly | teclo-: or read https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/ch06s04 |
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| 16:40.42 | somiaj | suitsmeveryfine: follow my suggestion of checking the both xev and the tool that controls the gnome keybindings trying to figure out what the issue is |
| 16:41.09 | somiaj | suitsmeveryfine: basically with keybindings it is probabaly one of those tings. 1) for some reason the keybindings are not sending correct events to xorg or 2) the keybindings are not configured correctly. |
| 16:41.34 | somiaj | suitsmeveryfine: I don't use gnome so I don't know where to look for its keybindings, but I do know you can use xev to see if the keys are generating correct events. |
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| 16:42.00 | suitsmeveryfine | somiaj: I checked xev and got responses from the media keys, but I don't know if they are sane or not |
| 16:42.25 | teclo- | jelly: indead, I should have read that... |
| 16:42.32 | teclo- | sorry for not having read the installation manual :( |
| 16:42.43 | somiaj | suitsmeveryfine: you should see a keypress event and have some name like XF86VolumeUp or something like that. |
| 16:43.07 | somiaj | suitsmeveryfine: i.e. it should have a name that makes sense for the key that was pressed (not just a hex map to the address of the key) |
| 16:43.19 | suitsmeveryfine | somiaj: no, I don't get that |
| 16:43.59 | somiaj | well you get lots of lines of output |
| 16:44.04 | suitsmeveryfine | somiaj: I get "KeymapNotify event, serial 36, synthetic NO, window 0x0," plus two rows of zeros |
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| 16:44.32 | somiaj | look for KeyPress and then KeyRelease events. |
| 16:45.03 | somiaj | and then compare them to say keys you know work so y ou have an idea what you are looking at |
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| 16:48.07 | teclo- | hmmm... okay I did lspci -nn | grep -i ether and both eth0 and eth1 are there |
| 16:48.35 | somiaj | teclo-: use /sbin/ifconfig -a to see if they are correctly loaded or check dmesg |
| 16:48.40 | teclo- | so they are there, the lights are blinking |
| 16:48.56 | somiaj | most likely it is just missing firmware, unless you fixed that already |
| 16:48.59 | teclo- | somiaj: I'm in debian-installer so I don't have /sbin/ifconfig yet... I think |
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| 16:49.55 | somiaj | teclo-: what install image are you using? |
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| 16:51.56 | jelly | teclo-: did you read what dpkg told you in private about firmware images? Those are the simplest way to install debian onto that hardware, just boot firmware.iso from iLO and install like normal. Except ethernet will work. |
| 16:52.40 | somiaj | teclo-: or if you have the netinstall already you can install a minimial basesystem right from that image (you don't need the intenet). After you have your isntall functioning, copy over the firmawre, get y our network working then install the rest of the software you need. |
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| 16:52.57 | somiaj | either method works depending on what you prefer |
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| 16:53.41 | jelly | and both can be done offsite due to iLO <3 |
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| 16:56.38 | suitsmeveryfine | somiaj: in xev, working media keys give me KeyPress and KeyRelease events while the non-working ones all give me what I pasted above. |
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| 16:57.51 | somiaj | suitsmeveryfine: that means the issue is either kenrel or xorg releated. Did you have an upgrade of either the server or the kernel? |
| 16:57.57 | somiaj | ,kernels |
| 16:57.58 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 4.0.0-2-686-pae (4.0.5-1); stretch: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt9-2); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt11-1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt11-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.68-1+deb7u2) |
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| 16:58.31 | somiaj | suitsmeveryfine: looks like the kernel hasnt' really been upgraded, so I think the issue is in the xorg server and not gnome. |
| 16:58.41 | suitsmeveryfine | somiaj: Yes, I didn't upgrade the kernel |
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| 16:59.18 | somiaj | suitsmeveryfine: if you don't run apt-get clean, you may have some older xorg debs in /var/cache/apt/archives and you can see if installing the older versions fix the issue then look for a bugreport (or report one) |
| 16:59.52 | suitsmeveryfine | somiaj: I use aptitude for updates and upgrades, does this make a difference? |
| 17:00.07 | teclo- | jelly: yes, I've read, and indeed it's a good idea, but I've already downloaded and written to DVD the .iso for Debian 8.1. However, I'm considering getting http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/jessie/20150607/firmware.tar.gz and burning it on a CDRW and then putting the CD in the server |
| 17:00.28 | somiaj | suitsmeveryfine: actually could be one other issue. It could be some other program is grabbing the events so neither gnome or xev is getting them and that is why you aren't seeing them. I'm unsure how to track this down though. |
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| 17:00.51 | somiaj | suitsmeveryfine: i.e. if something grabs the KeyPress event before xev gets it, it could be that event is happening but some program is grabbing it and then not doing anything. |
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| 17:01.23 | somiaj | suitsmeveryfine: using aptitude over apt-get is okay, unsure if aptitude uses it's own log file and hopefully I gave you an idea of things to look at and try to debugt |
| 17:01.54 | suitsmeveryfine | somiaj: the same update created another issue: inactive window titles are now in inverted colours |
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| 17:01.59 | Emil_ | Hi |
| 17:02.15 | suitsmeveryfine | somiaj: yes, thank you. I will try to investigate this further on my own |
| 17:02.23 | Emil_ | When installing debian |
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| 17:02.32 | somiaj | suitsmeveryfine: focus on one issue at a time, and realize this is the joy of running testing, you get to keep all the bugs. |
| 17:02.37 | Emil_ | What does the Debian desktop environment do |
| 17:02.46 | Emil_ | Vs just installing xfce |
| 17:02.56 | Emil_ | or just installing the DDE |
| 17:02.59 | Emil_ | Or both |
| 17:03.03 | somiaj | Emil_: You are talking about the jessie installer? |
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| 17:03.24 | Emil_ | somiaj: yah |
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| 17:03.45 | somiaj | Emil_: the last thing to run is tasksel, one of the tasks is the Debian Desktop Enviomrnet (which defaults to gnome). But you have the option to select which desktop to install so if you want xfce you need to select debian destkop enviorment and then the sub-category xfce (this will only install xfce) |
| 17:04.07 | Emil_ | Okay |
| 17:04.10 | Emil_ | but I can only select xfce |
| 17:04.12 | somiaj | Emil_: note this installs the 'xfce' task which may contain more packages than just xfce (to also include some commonly used software) so the task is a bit different than installing the xfce4 metapackage. |
| 17:04.14 | Emil_ | what happens then |
| 17:04.51 | somiaj | Emil_: I only used the jessie isntaller once but yes if you select xfce it will install the xfce desktop. I thought there was an indent so you need to say install the desktop enviorment and this is the one I want. |
| 17:05.16 | Emil_ | somiaj: true, it's indented, but I can still only select xfce if I wish to do so |
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| 17:06.20 | somiaj | Emil_: That coudl be the way it works. I just know the option is now in tasksel. (: |
| 17:06.25 | somiaj | I'd have to boot up an installer in a vm to test |
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| 17:07.48 | Tau | i need to install a kernel that supports kvm. |
| 17:07.52 | Tau | whats one? |
| 17:07.56 | Tau | i'm running debian wheezy. |
| 17:08.43 | Emil_ | somiaj: but thanks, chose both the DDE and XFCE, which I have always done |
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| 17:10.13 | jelly | Tau: the default one supports it, if you "modinfo kvm" or "modinfo kvm-intel" or "modinfo kvm-amd" you ought to see some output meaning the kernel modules are there |
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| 17:12.00 | Tau | jelly from dmesg | grep kvm i get 'kvm disabled by bios'. |
| 17:12.04 | somiaj | Tau: you may have to turn on the correct virtual settings in your bios to load the moduels. Check dmesg if you can't load teh module and you should see an error |
| 17:12.18 | somiaj | Tau: that error should be fairly self explanitory. 'kvm disabled by bios', so enable it |
| 17:12.26 | Tau | somiaj i couldnt find in bios the option in the bios. |
| 17:12.30 | Tau | in order to enable it. |
| 17:12.38 | Tau | although cpfinfo says i have vm support. |
| 17:12.57 | somiaj | Maybe look up the actual bios you have, but there is some Vitrual Extensions support or similarly labeled option int he bios somewhere. |
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| 17:14.24 | Tau | it seems i may have to upgrade my bios. |
| 17:14.26 | Tau | i dunno. |
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| 17:14.28 | jelly | Tau: it might be listed as VT-d support, or some other virtualization-related thing, or if you're really unlucky intentionally disabled |
| 17:14.28 | Tau | holy christ. |
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| 17:14.46 | Tau | i see. |
| 17:14.52 | Tau | i want to emulate android apps. |
| 17:14.55 | Tau | with android studio. |
| 17:15.02 | Tau | do i really need that to have android apps running? |
| 17:15.21 | towo` | i would use genymotion |
| 17:15.33 | jelly | Tau: #android might be a better place to ask |
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| 17:16.13 | somiaj | Tau: is this an x86 machine you want to run andriod (arm) apps on? |
| 17:17.20 | somiaj | if so, no you odn't need the virtiulzation aspects of the cpu since you will be using completely software emulation and qemu can do that. |
| 17:17.30 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:17.44 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:17.51 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:18.05 | somiaj | Yea the virtulization extensions won't help running arm apps I belive. |
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| 17:18.27 | somiaj | look more into the qemu documentation on how to emeulate non-native arches |
| 17:18.31 | teclo- | ok the problem with the network is: "RTNETLINK answers: Network is unreachable" |
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| 17:19.29 | Tau | hum |
| 17:19.31 | Tau | not sure. |
| 17:19.34 | Tau | how to do from now on. |
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| 17:29.55 | nectur2 | how are passwords stored in debian |
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| 17:31.13 | nectur2 | i get the option to remember a password forever and it asks me to unlock the keychain or something but how do i manage the passwords? |
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| 17:34.45 | MK | hi |
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| 17:35.08 | Guest85214 | i need help with my debian |
| 17:35.20 | Guest85214 | it was working fine |
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| 17:35.34 | towo` | and? |
| 17:35.43 | Guest85214 | then rebooted it and after loading it shows a black screen |
| 17:36.13 | Guest85214 | srry but am a little noob |
| 17:36.23 | Guest85214 | any help? please |
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| 17:37.53 | Guest85214 | ;_, |
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| 17:38.16 | grinchier | Guest85214: did you make any changes? |
| 17:38.16 | Guest85214 | no help? |
| 17:38.30 | grinchier | did you install anything before rebooting? |
| 17:38.34 | Guest85214 | i think i installed a driver of my graphical |
| 17:38.40 | Guest85214 | card |
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| 17:38.58 | Guest85214 | and some applications |
| 17:39.41 | grinchier | when you boot, select recovery mode from grub |
| 17:39.52 | Guest85214 | i did |
| 17:39.54 | Guest85214 | and |
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| 17:40.07 | Guest85214 | its fgrlx |
| 17:40.19 | Guest85214 | fglrx* |
| 17:40.20 | towo` | then remove that crap |
| 17:40.26 | Guest85214 | how? |
| 17:40.35 | grinchier | apt-get remove --purge fglrx* |
| 17:40.45 | Guest85214 | okay i will try |
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| 17:41.18 | towo` | and fglrx does not work without a valid xorg.conf |
| 17:41.29 | Guest85214 | lol |
| 17:41.38 | towo` | so only install fglrx will ever give you a black screen |
| 17:41.46 | Guest85214 | thx |
| 17:41.54 | Guest85214 | i forget about that |
| 17:42.21 | Guest85214 | and with fglrx i will get my driver to work? |
| 17:42.39 | towo` | fglrx is a driver |
| 17:42.46 | teraflop | Is it needed the aticonfig --initial yet? |
| 17:42.51 | towo` | amd no one knows your hardware |
| 17:43.01 | Guest85214 | ati radeon hd 6250 |
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| 17:43.26 | towo` | it's supported by the free radeon |
| 17:43.33 | towo` | so fglrx is not needed at all |
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| 17:43.45 | Guest85214 | i have it |
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| 17:44.19 | Guest85214 | but i think i have non free |
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| 17:44.55 | knivsta | is Lua good your first language? |
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| 17:46.12 | Guest85214 | i would say yea its easy to learn but i dont know about other ppl |
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| 17:47.28 | grinchier | uh oh someone is getting jelly hehe |
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| 17:48.09 | grinchier | Guest85214: so what are you doing now? |
| 17:48.50 | Guest85214 | am just trying to do hat you said |
| 17:48.52 | grinchier | Guest85214: mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.old and amdconfig --initial |
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| 17:49.03 | grinchier | if that don't work add nomodeset to grub |
| 17:49.10 | grinchier | and if that dont' work then, ya, just remove them |
| 17:49.33 | SJr | What MTA should I use for a spam relay? I'm looking for something that is easy to configure, it is for a low volume domain. |
| 17:50.17 | jelly | knivsta: lua is an embedded language with some specific limitations that arise from that. If you want to learn about programming, try python. http://learnpythonthehardway.org/ |
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| 17:51.05 | Guest85214 | i should login with root right? |
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| 17:52.15 | Freeaqingme | Hi folks, I'm on wheezy and would like to upgrade the kernel to 3.18. However, wheezy-backports would appear to only provide 3.16. Any ideas where to get 3.18 from? |
| 17:52.45 | jelly | ,kernels |
| 17:52.46 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 4.0.0-2-686-pae (4.0.5-1); stretch: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt9-2); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt11-1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt11-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.68-1+deb7u2) |
| 17:53.06 | Guest85214 | how people type all that in five secs |
| 17:53.10 | jelly | Freeaqingme: nowhere apparently. Why 3.18 specifically? |
| 17:53.29 | Freeaqingme | Guest85214: it's a bot. A predefined command that it responded to |
| 17:53.43 | grinchier | i've never seen 3.18 lol |
| 17:54.41 | Freeaqingme | jelly: because there were a few bugs fixed in 3.18 that I hit in earlier versions, and I want to run brtfs, which supposedly had some improvements on 3.18 as well |
| 17:54.55 | grinchier | install 3.19? |
| 17:55.08 | Guest85214 | cmd to reboot in recovrey mode? |
| 17:55.12 | Freeaqingme | grinchier: that'd be an option too. But where would I get that from? |
| 17:56.03 | grinchier | Freeaqingme: oh its not in repos? hmm a testing repo or something, if not you can compile it from kernel.org |
| 17:56.19 | grinchier | 3.18.16 is there |
| 17:56.44 | grinchier | Freeaqingme: very easy tutorial here http://www.tecmint.com/kernel-compilation-in-debian-linux/ |
| 17:56.57 | Freeaqingme | yeah, compiling it myself is always an option. But I was hoping to get a package from a more or less trusted source |
| 17:57.10 | grinchier | more or less trusted source? |
| 17:57.17 | towo` | totaly outdated |
| 17:57.25 | jelly | Freeaqingme: wheezy is now oldstable. There will be a backport of 4.x for jessie some day, but not wheezy |
| 17:57.29 | grinchier | towo`: not at all |
| 17:57.34 | towo` | since upstream source can be compiled with make deb-pkg |
| 17:57.45 | grinchier | towo`: do w/e works for you |
| 17:57.45 | towo` | make-kpkg is dead |
| 17:57.51 | grinchier | works for me |
| 17:57.53 | knivsta | jelly, why is everyone suggesting me Python? After I bought a Lua book? lol |
| 17:57.58 | grinchier | flawlessly i might add |
| 17:58.32 | grinchier | towo`: "Last Updated: January 7, 2015 ": |
| 17:58.42 | towo` | oes not matter |
| 17:58.44 | Guest85214 | u using lua for making games ? |
| 17:58.45 | towo` | +d |
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| 17:58.50 | grinchier | if you like to take a more complicated sketchy route, then byall means, do w/e works for you lol |
| 17:58.58 | grinchier | i wouldn't tell somebody to do something I never did myself |
| 17:59.09 | grinchier | it doesn't get any easier then that |
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| 17:59.14 | towo` | haha |
| 17:59.25 | grinchier | ;) |
| 17:59.40 | towo` | what's hard in make -jN deb-pkg? |
| 17:59.41 | Tom01 | What is a good programming editor? |
| 17:59.54 | Guest85214 | notepad++ |
| 17:59.59 | jelly | grinchier: make deb-pkg is actually simpler than kernel-package way |
| 18:00.04 | grinchier | towo`: i dunno i don't do it that way |
| 18:00.17 | grinchier | i'm not gonna recommend to somebody something I never did myself |
| 18:00.36 | jelly | ,v kernel-package |
| 18:00.38 | judd | Package: kernel-package on amd64 -- squeeze: 12.036+nmu1; wheezy: 12.036+nmu3; sid: 13.014+nmu1; jessie: 13.014+nmu1; stretch: 13.014+nmu1 |
| 18:00.44 | Freeaqingme | coming to think of it, I could just try Debian 8 for a change. Tnx! :) |
| 18:00.58 | grinchier | Freeaqingme: it has 3.16 kernel |
| 18:01.17 | Guest85214 | what makes ubuntu easy ;_;? |
| 18:01.38 | grinchier | Guest85214: you don't have to install or configure, most things configured for you out of the box |
| 18:02.13 | Guest85214 | lol just use software managment or apper and u get apps and drivers without any configuring |
| 18:02.23 | Guest85214 | i use it in debian |
| 18:02.30 | grinchier | yes it also has more packages in its repos |
| 18:02.47 | grinchier | but all of that also makes it a little less stable and less secure |
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| 18:03.23 | Guest85214 | grinchier |
| 18:03.33 | Guest85214 | what did u told me about grub mode |
| 18:03.42 | Guest85214 | to boot |
| 18:03.50 | grinchier | edit the grub and put.....huh? |
| 18:03.54 | grinchier | to boot? |
| 18:04.03 | grinchier | recovery mode if you get the black screen? |
| 18:04.22 | Guest85214 | no when u start the pc and press E |
| 18:04.33 | grinchier | I didn't tell you anything about that |
| 18:04.35 | grinchier | maybe someone else did |
| 18:04.39 | Guest85214 | yes i know |
| 18:04.49 | Guest85214 | but so i can boot without any drivers |
| 18:04.58 | Guest85214 | and without fglrx |
| 18:05.05 | grinchier | recovery mode, i'm lost man i'm sorry |
| 18:05.13 | Guest85214 | lol |
| 18:05.15 | Guest85214 | ok |
| 18:05.16 | Guest85214 | thx |
| 18:05.23 | grinchier | did you remove the drivers? |
| 18:05.32 | Guest85214 | nope |
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| 18:05.51 | WangDang_ | I'm new to rsync. I want to backup dotfiles in my home directory. I tried "rsync -acr /home/wang/.* /media/EXTDISK/mts_backup/home/wang" but that copied everything in /home/wang, rather than just the dotfiles. How do I get just the dot files? |
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| 18:06.00 | grinchier | ok well before you do, try the other things I said |
| 18:06.03 | grinchier | mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.old and amdconfig --initial |
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| 18:06.25 | grinchier | reboot, if you still get black screen, go back to recovery mode, edit the /etc/default/grub file and remove quiet, and put nomodeset |
| 18:06.27 | grinchier | reboot |
| 18:06.34 | grinchier | if it still dont' work then just remove the flgrx drivers |
| 18:06.38 | Guest85214 | lol i cant even access root from there |
| 18:06.48 | grinchier | what? |
| 18:06.50 | jelly | WangDang_: does "ls -ld /home/wang/.*" list just the files and directories you want to backup? |
| 18:07.22 | grinchier | Guest85214: jelly will help you |
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| 18:07.49 | Guest85214 | okay |
| 18:09.07 | WangDang_ | jelly: your right. no it lists everything. So how do I just list the dotfiles and directories? |
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| 18:09.38 | jelly | WangDang_: investigate why your login shell expands /home/wang/.* to everything |
| 18:09.54 | Guest85214 | jessie is one of debian makers? |
| 18:10.15 | bazhang | its a character in toy story |
| 18:10.17 | jelly | Guest85214: it's codename for Debian 8 |
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| 18:10.49 | Guest85214 | help me |
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| 18:10.58 | bazhang | with what |
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| 18:13.36 | Guest85214 | i cant login to root or user from recovrey |
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| 18:15.58 | grinchier | Guest85214: why not? |
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| 18:16.14 | Guest85214 | nervermind |
| 18:16.31 | grinchier | pess alt f2 then type gnome-console |
| 18:16.42 | Guest85214 | ok |
| 18:16.43 | grinchier | i mean terminal i think |
| 18:16.47 | grinchier | gnome-terminal |
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| 18:17.30 | Guest85214 | where |
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| 18:17.42 | grinchier | pess alt f2, then type gnome-terminal in the box |
| 18:17.47 | grinchier | and press enter? |
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| 18:18.03 | grinchier | your in recovery mode yes? |
| 18:18.21 | grinchier | and you are using debian with gnome yes? |
| 18:18.35 | grinchier | jelly this guy needs help where you at |
| 18:18.47 | grinchier | don't be jelly just come help |
| 18:18.49 | Guest85214 | yea |
| 18:18.58 | grinchier | so do you have terminal open now? |
| 18:19.08 | Guest85214 | no |
| 18:19.12 | grinchier | lol |
| 18:19.15 | Guest85214 | wait |
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| 18:19.42 | Guest85214 | JELLY U ARE SO FUCKING JELLY |
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| 18:19.55 | matthiaskrgr | lol |
| 18:20.04 | Guest85214 | we was talking |
| 18:20.54 | jelly | Guest85214: I've been jelly for the last 30 years! He was being an annoyance even after being asked not to do that many highlights, and sorry I don't tolerate that. |
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| 18:25.29 | jelly | Guest85214: you can still talk to him in private (/query grinchier) or in ##linux if you think he's helpful |
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| 18:29.02 | jhutchins | Guest85214: What did you try to do? How did you try to do it? What did you expect to happen? What happened instead? |
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| 18:30.11 | teclo- | hmmm I'm trying to restart a daemon in Debian 8.x |
| 18:30.17 | teclo- | invoke-rc.d doesn't seem to work |
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| 18:31.37 | babilen | teclo-: "systemctl restart $SERVICE.service" or "service $SERVICE restart" |
| 18:32.03 | babilen | (tab completion should work for both) |
| 18:32.18 | gchristensen | Hi, is LUKS the current preferred method for disk encryption? most of the guides are from 2008 or so. My root is encrypted, and I'm looking to create another LVM PV/VG/LV using similar encryption methods. |
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| 18:33.34 | CygniX | luks is the way to go |
| 18:33.47 | babilen | gchristensen: Yeah, luks + dm-crypt is the way |
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| 18:34.17 | CygniX | the installer gives you the option too |
| 18:34.20 | antiatom | gchristensen: I would recommend the cipher serpent-xts-plain64 and the hash algorithm sha512 as well as specifying 512 bits for the cipher |
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| 18:35.00 | CygniX | many hardware have aes instruction which allows for fast execution |
| 18:35.26 | CygniX | serpent maybe more secure but will be slower |
| 18:35.36 | jelly | babilen: no, either luks or dm-crypt, no need for both |
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| 18:35.54 | frostschutz | luks IS dm-crypt |
| 18:35.55 | babilen | Isn't one the implementation of the other? |
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| 18:36.18 | teclo- | babilen: ah thank you |
| 18:36.26 | babilen | tools-wise it is cryptsetup/dm-crypt and that is one implemention of LUKS, or not? |
| 18:36.30 | babilen | checks |
| 18:37.37 | CygniX | dm-crypt uses luks |
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| 18:37.52 | CygniX | or vice versa, lol |
| 18:37.56 | frostschutz | the actual encryption is done by dm-crypt. luks does a computationally expensive passphrase->encryptionkey to annoy bruteforcers |
| 18:37.59 | makkan | I'm having trouble with incorrect chars after upgrading to jessie. First and foremost in console but also in x.org any thoughts on what might have changed? |
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| 18:38.46 | makkan | incorrect as in non working display of åäö |
| 18:38.55 | jelly | frostschutz: right, but you never use dm-crypt directly. Just like you never manipulate dm directly using LVM or multipath. |
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| 18:40.38 | gchristensen | CygniX, babilen antiatom, thank you all. Do you have any preferred documentation on the setup of it? right now I'm just piecing things together from guides and man pages. |
| 18:41.06 | CygniX | gchristensen: OS or just a storage disk? |
| 18:41.15 | gchristensen | storage disk, 3 of them in a VG |
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| 18:42.13 | CygniX | I generally don't use debian for desktop (sorry), but my desktop, you can do it via the partitioner. |
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| 18:42.58 | Guest85214 | why it doesnt login to root in recovrey |
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| 18:43.08 | CygniX | gparted may also allow you to create lvm group |
| 18:43.13 | Guest85214 | it uses just BusyBox |
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| 18:46.15 | Guest85214 | help needed |
| 18:46.37 | Guest85214 | can't access tty : job control turned off |
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| 18:48.32 | gchristensen | CygniX: ah cheers, thank you for your help |
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| 18:57.16 | revision | makkan: Have you tried 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales'? |
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| 19:01.38 | antivirtel | hello! how can I install just python metapackage (or what is it), without any dependencies? I have both 2.6 and 2.7 packages installed, but if I want to uninstall 2.6, it will remove a lots of stuff |
| 19:03.00 | GPenguin | antivirtel: why bother? are you short on disk space? |
| 19:03.34 | antivirtel | no, but I want to make it sure, that the python 2.6 is not used at all |
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| 19:04.26 | jelly | antivirtel: which debian release are you using? |
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| 19:04.34 | antivirtel | :D squeeze-lts |
| 19:04.46 | bazhang | is that kali antivirtel |
| 19:04.57 | antivirtel | kali? |
| 19:05.22 | jelly | antivirtel: then the system-provided packages will keep using the default from squeeze, which is 2.6 if I remember correctly |
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| 19:05.30 | jelly | you can't uninstall it |
| 19:06.01 | antivirtel | :) than how can I make sure, that the python2.7 will be used by default? |
| 19:06.52 | PryMar56 | at prompt:python -V |
| 19:07.02 | jelly | antivirtel: it won't. |
| 19:07.18 | antivirtel | PryMar56 it is still 2.7 |
| 19:07.22 | antivirtel | *2.6, sry |
| 19:07.38 | jelly | antivirtel: if you want to use it in your own apps, make sure you call /usr/bin/python2.7 as interpreter |
| 19:07.40 | antivirtel | jelly, that's why I want to uninstall it |
| 19:07.48 | jelly | antivirtel: you can't uninstall it! |
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| 19:08.35 | jelly | ,v python |
| 19:08.36 | judd | Package: python on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.6.6-3+squeeze7; wheezy: 2.7.3-4+deb7u1; stretch: 2.7.9-1; sid: 2.7.9-1; jessie: 2.7.9-1 |
| 19:09.01 | gchristensen | CygniX: which partitioner are you referring to? |
| 19:09.15 | antivirtel | I wanted to avoid this: # ln -s /usr/bin/python2.7 /usr/bin/python - but it is a good solution |
| 19:09.40 | aedinius | What about update-alternatives? |
| 19:09.47 | jelly | antivirtel: it's not a good solution, that will break packaged software that relies on 2.6 being /usr/bin/python |
| 19:09.49 | antivirtel | ahh great |
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| 19:10.52 | aedinius | Hm, I guess python doesn't have an alternative setup |
| 19:10.55 | jelly | antivirtel: if you need 2.7, run python2.7. There's no other safe way except for building and using your own, or doing a release upgrade to wheezy |
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| 19:11.02 | aedinius | I don't know why I'd think that'd work. |
| 19:11.10 | antivirtel | yeah aedinius: update-alternatives: error: no alternatives for python. |
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| 19:12.37 | antivirtel | jelly nothing serious is there... but I can't upgrade to jessie, since the server is about 400 km far from here, and if it is not successful, I won't travel there to run some commands to fix something trivial |
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| 19:13.30 | jelly | antivirtel: then set up a wheezy chroot and run your stuff in there |
| 19:13.52 | jelly | antivirtel: but really, how hard can it be to fix the #! lines for your software? |
| 19:13.53 | antivirtel | do you have a tutorial? btw, I'd rather use jessie already |
| 19:14.16 | antivirtel | jelly :D Flexget and other software has a tons of files |
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| 19:14.49 | jelly | I don't have a tutorial, use debootstrap to build a chroot, chroot into it and install and run stuff |
| 19:15.01 | antivirtel | I will not run a mass replace in those files.. relinking it will make it work, if not, I'll find an other way |
| 19:15.32 | bieyeik2aX | Hello, why this happens: http://codepad.org/t3FI5dt7 ?? |
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| 19:16.35 | jelly | bieyeik2aX: because kernel-package has silly dependencies? |
| 19:16.52 | antivirtel | bieyeik2aX please rerun the command after this: LANG=C - I can't speak spanish or what is this |
| 19:17.08 | jelly | !localized errors |
| 19:17.08 | dpkg | Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. «LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install» |
| 19:17.28 | antivirtel | better :D |
| 19:17.31 | bieyeik2aX | jelly, but why? |
| 19:17.52 | bieyeik2aX | antivirtel, ok |
| 19:18.37 | jelly | bieyeik2aX: because some of it pulls in tex (for documentation building, presumably), and tex packages are heavy. |
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| 19:19.05 | jelly | bieyeik2aX: try adding a --without-recommends option to the command. |
| 19:19.31 | bieyeik2aX | jelly, thanks for the answer d(^_^)b |
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| 19:20.31 | nectur2 | pls help me |
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| 19:22.25 | dracc | nectur2: With what? |
| 19:23.39 | nectur2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:24.04 | nectur2 | or whatever its called that stores the passwords |
| 19:24.37 | nectur2 | when i google i get too many password managers |
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| 19:24.57 | nectur2 | pass keepass2 gpm |
| 19:25.09 | nectur2 | @-@ |
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| 19:26.02 | Emil_ | Umm |
| 19:26.11 | Emil_ | How could I make user autologin |
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| 19:26.17 | Emil_ | on debian 8 xfce |
| 19:26.51 | Emil_ | uh I spotted a typo |
| 19:26.52 | towo` | Emil_, which dm you use? |
| 19:26.55 | Emil_ | but please let me know |
| 19:26.59 | Emil_ | the default |
| 19:27.05 | Emil_ | which is lightdm? |
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| 19:27.31 | towo` | Emil_, i do not use jessie |
| 19:27.37 | towo` | Emil_, so find it out |
| 19:27.48 | Emil_ | ? |
| 19:27.51 | towo` | Emil_, if it is lightdm, you have to edit /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf |
| 19:28.04 | Emil_ | I know but it's not working |
| 19:28.14 | Emil_ | What other dm is there? |
| 19:28.23 | towo` | Emil_, "is not working" sayes nothing |
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| 19:28.42 | towo` | Emil_, you have to set it on the right place in that config |
| 19:28.45 | Emil_ | I added autologin-user=username and autologin-user-timeout=0 |
| 19:28.53 | towo` | Emil_, and by default, the entry is commented |
| 19:28.54 | Emil_ | but I still get prompted for user and password on login |
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| 19:29.06 | Emil_ | What's the right place |
| 19:29.15 | towo` | Emil_, you find it 2 times in that file |
| 19:29.30 | towo` | and the changes has to be on the 2nd |
| 19:29.31 | nectur2 | i see no pkgs that match any password managers |
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| 19:29.55 | nectur2 | so it would be nice to know what to look for |
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| 19:30.37 | Emil_ | towo`: well that's a silly way to do a config but eh, let's see if it works |
| 19:30.50 | Emil_ | And lo an behold |
| 19:30.52 | Emil_ | it does work |
| 19:30.53 | Emil_ | thanks, mate |
| 19:30.55 | towo` | Emil_, it works, if you do it right |
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| 19:31.05 | towo` | i'm using lightdm myself |
| 19:31.30 | Emil_ | well, usually if you have a config file it shouldn't matter where you specify x |
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| 19:31.41 | teraflop | Emil_: it can be done without DM too. |
| 19:31.56 | Emil_ | teraflop: I'm listening |
| 19:33.37 | Emil_ | teraflop: ? |
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| 19:34.29 | teraflop | Emil_: just setting up auto login to agetty and starting x from bashrc or zsh |
| 19:34.47 | Emil_ | well |
| 19:34.48 | Emil_ | true |
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| 19:37.59 | CygniX | gchristensen: default openSUSE partitioner |
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| 19:38.19 | CygniX | I use openSUSE for desktop and Debian for servers |
| 19:38.48 | bazhang | ,v keeppassx |
| 19:38.49 | judd | No package named 'keeppassx' was found in amd64. |
| 19:38.54 | bazhang | augh |
| 19:39.09 | antivirtel | bazhang it is keepassx :D |
| 19:39.09 | srg | I use keepass and it was removed from testing temporarily |
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| 19:39.17 | antivirtel | just one "p" |
| 19:39.18 | CygniX | I think you have one extra p |
| 19:39.29 | srg | keep-ass |
| 19:39.31 | antivirtel | :D |
| 19:39.32 | bazhang | sorry about that |
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| 19:39.51 | bazhang | ,v keepassx |
| 19:39.52 | judd | Package: keepassx on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.4.3-1; sid: 0.4.3+dfsg-0.1; jessie: 0.4.3+dfsg-0.1; stretch: 0.4.3+dfsg-0.1; wheezy: 0.4.3+dfsg-0.1; experimental: 2.0~alpha6-1 |
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| 19:40.09 | CygniX | I use keepass because it has broswer integration, otherwise, I would have preferred keepassx |
| 19:40.19 | qvazzler | Taking a shot in the dark here; does anyone know exiftool on a intermediate level? |
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| 19:40.38 | bazhang | <nectur2> when i google i get too many password managers see above |
| 19:41.02 | antivirtel | CygniX I'm a KeePassX user, but is that KeePass cross-platform too? I've been rejected its usage years ago, because of some other problems |
| 19:41.34 | CygniX | antivirtel: keepass requires mono in Linux |
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| 19:41.51 | antivirtel | ahh :D that's why |
| 19:42.05 | CygniX | integrates well with chrome/chromium, firefox |
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| 19:42.35 | srg | it works just fine with mono |
| 19:42.57 | srg | I've been using it for a while. I have it on a USB stick, portable, for when I'm on campus or on other computers running windows |
| 19:43.10 | CygniX | it does, though, with plasma 5, you can no longer hide it in tray |
| 19:44.04 | jelly | there's also |
| 19:44.06 | jelly | ,i kpcli |
| 19:44.07 | judd | Package kpcli (utils, optional) in jessie/amd64: command line interface to KeePassX password manager databases. Version: 2.7-1; Size: 54.3k; Installed: 214k; Homepage: http://sourceforge.net/projects/kpcli/ |
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| 19:44.59 | CygniX | I would switch to keepassx when there is browser support |
| 19:45.11 | CygniX | because it is native |
| 19:45.39 | srg | I read an article on slashdot recently about how mono dev on linux really isn't that bad |
| 19:45.46 | srg | it's not hte stigma it's been given |
| 19:45.55 | CygniX | it's mot |
| 19:46.02 | CygniX | not* |
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| 19:46.41 | qu | Server A has two ethernet ports, each with its own subnet. |
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| 19:47.14 | qu | I wnt to route data from NIC 2 to NIC 1 so the port shows there. |
| 19:47.43 | qu | iptables? NAT? |
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| 19:48.16 | imMute | qu: you probably need to use iptables. might need NAT. it depends on what you're trying to accomplish |
| 19:48.34 | imMute | "route data from NIC 2 to NIC 1 so the port shows there" doesn't make sense |
| 19:48.54 | qu | On NIC2's subnet is a camera, which serves video on rtsp port 554. |
| 19:49.21 | qu | I want that port to be available on NIC1's IP. IOW the 554 port. |
| 19:49.26 | CygniX | probably better to state the goal and objective |
| 19:49.46 | qu | I want to watch video on NIC1's subnet. |
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| 19:49.52 | CygniX | IOW? |
| 19:50.01 | qu | (in other words) |
| 19:50.08 | CygniX | ah, sorry |
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| 19:50.36 | imMute | qu: if you don't want to access the video only on the NIC1 subnet (and not some third subnet). then there really isn't anything to configure other than allowing forwarding on the box and setting up a couple static routes |
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| 19:51.09 | qu | Isn't forwarding on by default? |
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| 19:51.34 | CygniX | no |
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| 19:52.20 | qu | You know, maybe I'm better off setting up a reverse SSH tunnel from the camera server to the camera, so 554 shows on the server. |
| 19:52.23 | antivirtel | thanks the info CygniX srg - as I see, there is a KeePassX 2.x alpha, which will be beta and so on, and I'll try to use it first |
| 19:52.50 | imMute | qu: this is actually really easy to setup, and won't rely on an SSH tunnel being operational |
| 19:52.57 | qu | Then forward 554 elsewhere. |
| 19:53.14 | CygniX | antivirtel: am using 2.27 |
| 19:53.26 | qu | Static route? |
| 19:53.42 | qu | Surely not. |
| 19:53.47 | srg | I'm using 2.29 in stretch (but it was temporarily removed due to a severe bug that was fixed upstream |
| 19:53.53 | imMute | qu: the devices on Subnet 1 (the one attached to NIC 1) need to know how to communicate with Subnet 2 (the one on NIC 2) |
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| 19:54.17 | imMute | qu: and vice versa. therefore, two static routes - one in each subnet's router |
| 19:54.30 | qu | Would that put them in the same broadcast domain? |
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| 19:54.41 | imMute | qu: no? why would it? |
| 19:55.01 | qu | Unless they're NATted I don't see how it could be avoided. |
| 19:55.25 | imMute | qu: you could setup a NAT, and that would avoid needing to setup static routes. but NAT is evil, and this solution is better. |
| 19:56.08 | qu | I guess I'd need to set up a static route on every machine that needs LAN2? |
| 19:56.12 | imMute | no |
| 19:56.18 | imMute | just on the router for each subnet |
| 19:56.33 | qu | I see |
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| 19:57.20 | qu | Also though that would preclude me from puting a LAN2 destination anywhere but on the cameras machine. |
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| 19:57.36 | qu | It would get bypassed. |
| 19:57.57 | imMute | well yeah, that computer is the "bridge" (router, actually) between the two subnets. |
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| 19:58.13 | imMute | if you had another router that connected to both subnets, then you'd point the static routes at that. |
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| 19:58.23 | qu | That's not a problem for now. |
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| 20:00.09 | qu | Ok here's Static Routes in the Netgear. |
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| 20:00.26 | imMute | (you're going to have to clarify "the Netgear") |
| 20:00.31 | qu | Destination IP would be the camera server, or the camera itself? |
| 20:00.41 | qu | (Netgear wifi router) |
| 20:01.00 | imMute | which subnet is that on? what *is* that subnet anyway? |
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| 20:01.16 | qu | 192.168.11.0 is the camera net |
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| 20:01.36 | qu | NIC2 on the cameras server. |
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| 20:01.47 | imMute | what subnet mask? who is the router? what is the routers IP address? what address is on NIC 2? |
| 20:02.28 | qu | 24 Router's LAN IP is 192.168.1.5 |
| 20:02.55 | qu | NIC2 is 192.168.11.4 and NIC1 is 192.168.1.4 |
| 20:03.20 | imMute | who is the router for 192.168.11.0/24 ? |
| 20:03.30 | qu | Ain't none. Local only. |
| 20:03.41 | qu | No DNS either. |
| 20:04.03 | qu | The cameras server could be the camera's router. |
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| 20:04.14 | qu | So maybe that's the gateway. |
| 20:04.18 | imMute | okay, configure the cameras to use 192.168.11.4 as the default gateway. there's one static route done. |
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| 20:05.15 | qu | Cameras don't need out though. Only need to present 554 for access. |
| 20:05.29 | imMute | sure, but for your purposes, they need one. |
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| 20:05.59 | qu | Ok setting that |
| 20:06.01 | rachelfish | so if I'm using debian 8 does that mean I can't use cronjobs anymore? |
| 20:06.18 | somiaj | rachelfish: what do you mean by that. debian 8 has cron. |
| 20:06.30 | qu | rachelfish: crontab -e |
| 20:06.47 | rachelfish | I did that but it doesn't seem to be running |
| 20:06.52 | rachelfish | I guess I'll try writing something to a file |
| 20:07.37 | qu | That's the command to edit /var/spool/cron/crontabs/root. |
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| 20:07.57 | qu | It works if you set the times and dates right. |
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| 20:08.50 | qu | # m h dom mon dow command |
| 20:09.20 | rachelfish | Yeah it is working when I just do an echo to a file |
| 20:09.35 | rachelfish | But it isn't working when I try running a command |
| 20:09.46 | qu | 0 10 * * * /home/bill/.cron/time sets the time at 10am every day. |
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| 20:09.58 | rachelfish | yes I understand |
| 20:10.02 | imMute | IIRC, systemd parses crontab files into timer units to implement cron functionality. |
| 20:10.16 | imMute | rachelfish: it's possible that your command is expecting something in the environment. |
| 20:10.28 | qu | Every minute cron runs the jobs due. |
| 20:10.34 | rachelfish | The command does work when I paste it on the command line, but it doesn't work when in a cronjob |
| 20:10.46 | rachelfish | What's the best way to debug any errors? |
| 20:10.58 | antivirtel | CygniX 2.27 of KeePass, right? |
| 20:11.01 | rachelfish | Oh wait I think I know |
| 20:11.03 | qu | systemctl status cron |
| 20:11.19 | rachelfish | I need to use the absolute path to mysqldump in the script I'm running |
| 20:11.21 | rachelfish | that must be it |
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| 20:11.53 | qu | Is your cron daemon running? |
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| 20:15.58 | CygniX | antivirtel: yea, but there are newever versions, like 2.28 and 2.29 I believe |
| 20:16.16 | nectur2 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:20.07 | antivirtel | yeah, so it is actively developed |
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| 20:21.01 | teclo- | what would be an equivalent of amarok, for cinnamon ? |
| 20:21.09 | antivirtel | nectur2 I don't know any preinstalled one |
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| 20:22.28 | antivirtel | teclo- I'm using Rhythmbox, but I think you can install whatever you used to have |
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| 20:23.36 | teclo- | antivirtel: yes but aptitude install amarok wants to install 133 kde-related packages |
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| 20:26.47 | antivirtel | ahh, the classic :D |
| 20:26.55 | antivirtel | try rhythmbox |
| 20:27.12 | nectur2 | antivirtel well when i tell it to permenantly remember a password it asks me to " unlock the password keychain" so something must store pasdwords i cant seem to find what backend it is |
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| 20:27.36 | teclo- | antivirtel: hmmm seems I can't find rythmbox in aptitude |
| 20:28.13 | nectur2 | passwd seems tk deal with system deamonss as far as i can tel |
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| 20:28.26 | nectur2 | but im a novice so not sure |
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| 20:34.43 | antivirtel | teclo- it is rHythmbox |
| 20:34.44 | antivirtel | :D |
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| 20:36.15 | antivirtel | nectur2 the backend is used to be the Seahorse, thy this: https://www.linux.com/learn/tutorials/456149:manage-passwords-encryption-keys-and-more-with-seahorse |
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| 20:39.12 | plitter | how can I enable ed25519 for ssh on my debian system? Linux 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.68-1+deb7u1 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 20:41.39 | towo` | plitter, http://lmgtfy.com/?q=ed25519+ssh |
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| 20:43.15 | antivirtel | ,v seahorse |
| 20:43.16 | judd | Package: seahorse on amd64 -- squeeze: 2.30.1-2; wheezy: 3.4.1-2; jessie: 3.14.0-2; sid: 3.16.0-1; stretch: 3.16.0-1 |
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| 20:44.02 | rachelfish | hi #debian I figured it out |
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| 20:44.18 | rachelfish | cron was running based on UTC instead of system time |
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| 20:45.37 | plitter | towo`: http://bfy.tw/RsZ |
| 20:46.46 | towo` | plitter, then you have not read! |
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| 20:47.17 | towo` | you use wheezy and on the hits in google you had seen, that the support is added in openssh 6.5 |
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| 20:47.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions openssh |
| 20:47.31 | judd | No package named 'openssh' was found in amd64. |
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| 20:47.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions openssh-server |
| 20:47.59 | judd | Package: openssh-server on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 1:5.5p1-6+squeeze5; squeeze: 1:5.5p1-6+squeeze5; wheezy-security: 1:6.0p1-4+deb7u1; wheezy: 1:6.0p1-4+deb7u2; wheezy-backports: 1:6.6p1-4~bpo70+1; jessie: 1:6.7p1-5; stretch: 1:6.7p1-6; sid: 1:6.7p1-6 |
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| 20:51.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | plitter, that seems to have been added in openssh 6.5 ... your kernel suggests you're running wheezy. There's a 6.6 in backports (you can /msg dpkg wheezy-backports) the current stable jessie has 6.7... |
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| 20:52.13 | plitter | CutMeOwnThroat: thank you |
| 20:53.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... so upgrading to the current stable (which is a good idea at some point in the near future anyway) is obviously the other option |
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| 20:58.11 | plitter | CutMeOwnThroat: I'm just considering how to do it smart atm. i don't have physical access to the computer so I don't want to break something |
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| 20:59.49 | srg | Are there any good FPSs for debian? I don't mean "good" in terms of super high graphcis, but good as in good gameplay. |
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| 21:01.11 | abrotman | srg: nexiuz? Is that the name? |
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| 21:02.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | plitter, hosters often have ready-made images for their VPS... then you very likely want the backport and wait for their image |
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| 21:02.58 | nectur2 | antivirtel ty although i cant find seahorse on my system debian packages does show itas the frontend of gnome-keyrining which package i do have so ty |
| 21:03.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | plitter, i.e. "it depends" (on the exact set-up)... |
| 21:04.11 | antivirtel | can someone tell me, that what the hack can run this every 5 minutes: http://paste2.org/f4e8gjmK ? I've grepped the /etc/cron*: `grep -r '*/5' /etc/cron*` and nothing found for this crap |
| 21:04.19 | antivirtel | cacti package is not installed at all |
| 21:04.26 | srg | abrotman: I'll check it out, thanks! |
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| 21:05.26 | antivirtel | nectur2 but if you install it, then you can manage those keys :) the "unlock the keyring" is used to be shown, when you don't unlock it at login time... or you're not using passwords at all |
| 21:05.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | antivirtel, tried "ctonrab -e" as root? |
| 21:05.49 | antivirtel | sure CutMeOwnThroat, it is empty |
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| 21:06.11 | abrotman | srg: there used to be a channel for linux gaming on this network |
| 21:06.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | antivirtel, how did you check that? |
| 21:06.49 | antivirtel | but I've retried it now... it was the 2nd line :D:D:D:D in among the comment lines |
| 21:07.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | ^^ |
| 21:07.06 | antivirtel | normally, crontab -e :D |
| 21:07.16 | antivirtel | damn, who was the admin before me, I don't know :D |
| 21:07.22 | antivirtel | but he was a damn idiot |
| 21:07.26 | abrotman | srg: and there used to be happypenguin.org .. not sure how active either are anymore |
| 21:07.39 | srg | ah. i'll search around. |
| 21:07.46 | nectur2 | okie i can confirm the backend is gnupg seahorse is a gui frontend |
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| 21:09.18 | cmhobbs | hello, everyone! i have a TPE-N150USB wireless adaptor from thinkpenguin. when i plug it into a machine running the debian 8 xfce livecd, it doesn't seem to work. here's the dmesg output: http://paste.debian.net/250021/ |
| 21:09.38 | cmhobbs | it works just peachy on my jessie netbook and on the same machine running trisquel |
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| 21:11.20 | abrotman | cmhobbs: says it wants firmware |
| 21:11.30 | antivirtel | anyway, thanks CutMeOwnThroat :D |
| 21:12.05 | cmhobbs | abrotman, any idea on how i might resolve that? |
| 21:15.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | don't really hold with religious quit messages |
| 21:15.58 | cmhobbs | hahaha |
| 21:16.44 | CHVNX | I think there's a huge problem with the Debian net installer iso. I explicitly unselected the debian desktop and chose Xfce durring installation, but I'm seeing GNOME being installed, along with a bunch of shit that's not part of Xfce like gimp or evience.Anyone else run into this? |
| 21:16.46 | abrotman | cmhobbs: install the firmware? |
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| 21:17.14 | CHVNX | Libreoffice cant be part of the defualt xfce installation... |
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| 21:21.32 | WangDang_ | I just dist-upgraded to Jessie. I have no sound now. The sound card shows up in /proc/asound/cards and nothing appears to be muted. Any other ideas? |
| 21:21.53 | abrotman | it's using the wrong output? try pavucontrol |
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| 21:24.14 | CHVNX | Has anyone seen reports that the installer is ignoring software selections? I explicitly chose to install xfce and not GNOME or the Debian desktop metapackage, but the installer just downloaded and installed GNOME before Xfce. Very angry at my time and limited bandwidth being wasted. Am I alone, or has anyone else had this problem with 8.1 netinst? |
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| 21:25.24 | somiaj | CHVNX: did it actually install gnome, or just pull in some gnome libs in which gtk apps that xfce includes may need? |
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| 21:25.46 | somiaj | but the one test I did of the installer it installed xfce4 just fine |
| 21:25.53 | CHVNX | somiaj: Unless gimp, libreoffice, evience and friends have become part of xfce, it installed gnome. |
| 21:26.15 | somiaj | I think some of those are included in the xfce desktop task. But I'd have to double check |
| 21:26.26 | CHVNX | somiaj: They're not, at least not on any of my other systems. |
| 21:26.31 | johnkeates | if I have grub issues with a debian system, should I turn to Debian or GRUB? :p |
| 21:26.39 | somiaj | CHVNX: https://packages.debian.org/jessie/task-xfce-desktop |
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| 21:26.50 | somiaj | CHVNX: they are all recommends to the xfce desktop task and such installed by default. |
| 21:27.07 | somiaj | CHVNX: i.e. the desktop task thinks you may want a photo editor, a office program and brings them in |
| 21:27.37 | CHVNX | somiaj: that's digusting and it wasnt like that before. I'm rather appaled that they'd force me to install huge packages that conflict with xfce |
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| 21:28.00 | somiaj | CHVNX: they don't, you requested a full desktop task, by default these tasks pull in a full desktop including office, gimp, etc. |
| 21:28.10 | somiaj | CHVNX: if you want more control over what is isntalled manually isntall the metapackages you want. |
| 21:28.33 | abrotman | never uses the desktop tasks, installs precisely what he wants after the install is over |
| 21:28.41 | abrotman | johnkeates: need more details |
| 21:28.48 | CHVNX | I assumed xfce would be installed, not all of gnome. |
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| 21:28.55 | CHVNX | This is rediculous. |
| 21:29.12 | abrotman | ridicules the spelling of ridiculous :) |
| 21:29.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | your whining about the tesktop dask? |
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| 21:29.31 | johnkeates | abrotman: I have an issue with grub not liking its modules and hanging in rescue mode |
| 21:29.44 | Ishak | hello anyone know if a swap partition is needed for installing debian |
| 21:29.46 | abrotman | CHVNX: I believe there's also a method you can pass the installer to have it only install XFCE |
| 21:29.50 | abrotman | Ishak: no, it is not |
| 21:29.53 | CHVNX | CutMeOwnThroat: I'm complainging* that GNOMe was installed when I specifically chose xfce. |
| 21:29.59 | abrotman | johnkeates: still, more details .. |
| 21:29.59 | CHVNX | abrotman: I did that. |
| 21:29.59 | johnkeates | abrotman: the server is 350KM away, all I have is intel's AMT 5.2, which gives Serial-over-Lan at best |
| 21:30.09 | CHVNX | That's the crux of my argument and source of frustraition |
| 21:30.09 | abrotman | CHVNX: no, I mean before it boots |
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| 21:30.49 | johnkeates | abrotman: grub doesn't like the modules, errors about unknown symbols |
| 21:30.55 | koken | abrotman: thanks |
| 21:31.01 | abrotman | johnkeates: did you do a dist-upgrade? or fresh install? |
| 21:31.09 | abrotman | johnkeates: which version of linux is this? |
| 21:31.24 | johnkeates | abrotman: Debian 8, GRUB2, Kernel 3.x |
| 21:31.39 | abrotman | dist-upgrade or fresh? |
| 21:31.46 | abrotman | what did you change that it would be doing this? |
| 21:31.47 | johnkeates | abrotman: actually don't know how it got to this point, this problem box was handed to me |
| 21:32.01 | abrotman | johnkeates: by whom? |
| 21:32.01 | johnkeates | i think the guys at the other end had a UPS failure |
| 21:32.09 | CHVNX | So, am I to assume that the debian installer doesnt respect user selections, or have the devs actually forced everyone to install gnome when they choose xfce? |
| 21:32.15 | johnkeates | by a client who's sysadmin passed away last week |
| 21:32.28 | abrotman | CHVNX: no, it shuldn't do that .... Did you try the boot time option? or just the one in the installer? |
| 21:32.35 | johnkeates | i guess it might be a dist-upgrade |
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| 21:32.50 | abrotman | johnkeates: can you reinstall the grub packages? |
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| 21:33.02 | johnkeates | abrotman: no, I can't boot into anything |
| 21:33.22 | abrotman | johnkeates: you can't boot from a rescue disk to chroot into the installed system? |
| 21:33.40 | somiaj | CHVNX: no, take a look at the task package you installed. It recomends common programst aht are also part of gnome, but it did not install gnome. It installed office, gimp, eveince, vlc, all of xfce4. I.e. a task is much more than a single thing. If you only wanted xfce4 you should install the core meta-package not the desktop task. |
| 21:33.50 | johnkeates | abrotman: no remote disk etc. I have to drive up there, which I will do, but if there is a way to chain load an older grub or a local installed non-embedded grub from grub rescue, i'd love to do that instead |
| 21:34.10 | somiaj | CHVNX: As for not installing the recomends or just installing the xfce4 meta package. I prefer to just to do that after the install is complete. |
| 21:34.17 | abrotman | johnkeates: I'd take a supergrub CD with you |
| 21:34.20 | johnkeates | abrotman: if I had a shell and rescue env. or supergrub disk I'd simply manually boot it and fix it |
| 21:34.27 | johnkeates | abrotman: i will :) |
| 21:35.00 | abrotman | johnkeates: you should be able to use the Jessie installer as a rescue disk, then chroot into the installed system and reinstall grub |
| 21:35.01 | johnkeates | abrotman: but since it have a few hrs tonight to spend on the serial console (has a working ttyS1, remote power management controls, bios settings etc) |
| 21:35.28 | johnkeates | abrotman: but is there a way to chain load or load anything from grub rescue without inserting modules? |
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| 21:35.57 | johnkeates | abrotman: like, a core.img from a filesystem, if debian keeps it around in /usr/share somewhere |
| 21:36.10 | johnkeates | abrotman: or a newer stage1/stage1.5/stage2 |
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| 21:36.30 | abrotman | That'd probably be more suited for #grub if they're awake |
| 21:36.32 | johnkeates | abrotman: I have no clue what is feasible from the grub rescue prompt at this point |
| 21:36.33 | johnkeates | ah |
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| 21:36.39 | abrotman | (I don't know enough about grub myself to answer that) |
| 21:36.40 | johnkeates | of course they have a channel! |
| 21:37.04 | johnkeates | i forgot about the possibility that they have their own part of the internet ;-) |
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| 21:37.09 | qu | I must not understand static routes. I have a camera at 192.168.11.50 on serverB's NIC2. But I want to get at the camera from serverA. |
| 21:37.35 | qu | ServerB's NIC1 is on the same subnet as ServerA, and they are joined by Router. |
| 21:38.09 | qu | So in Router I set a static route with a destination of 192.168.11.50 and gateway of 192.168.11.4 (NIC2). |
| 21:38.24 | qu | But I can't ping the camera from serverA. |
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| 21:38.45 | qu | Should go serverA-->router-->serverB-->camera. |
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| 21:39.15 | abrotman | qu: how is this related to Debian? |
| 21:39.27 | qu | I'm using Debian. |
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| 21:40.11 | HebusLeTroll | Hello, what does "invalid magic number" means ? |
| 21:40.14 | WangDang_ | abrotman: I installed pavucontrol. Indeed, it is sending the output to a usb headset. When I try to change it, the menu to select between headset and onboard sound card is greyed out. is there a command line way to change the default output device? |
| 21:40.15 | abrotman | qu: try a traceroute, see where it fails |
| 21:40.42 | abrotman | WangDang_: probably, but I don't know it .. Not sure why it would be greyed out either |
| 21:40.45 | HebusLeTroll | (i have this message : "error: invalid magic number." when booting on debian) |
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| 21:41.15 | WangDang_ | I'm guessing it's greyed out because I ran pavucontrol as a normal user |
| 21:41.27 | abrotman | nope, I do that |
| 21:41.30 | qu | abrotman: "Operation not permitted". Must be Shorewall preventing it. |
| 21:42.49 | qu | abrotman: tcptraceroute stops at serverA. |
| 21:43.26 | qu | It can't even get out to the router for some reason. |
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| 21:45.13 | qu | I even opened up the firewall and same thing. |
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| 21:53.58 | makkan | revision: thanks, that didn't help though. |
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| 21:54.17 | repxl | i have heard that exim4 is default installed on debian 8 for internal mail service ? |
| 21:54.21 | repxl | is that true ? |
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| 21:55.37 | abrotman | repxl: sure .. something has to be the default |
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| 21:57.27 | repxl | abrotman i ask myself ... because when i tryed to run dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config it tells me exim4-config is broken or not fully installed .... also should i go for the exim4 or install a different like postfix for example i need send mails from php to my users externally usually only for sending mails to my users |
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| 21:58.04 | leafwiz | Hello. When I make a file in /tmp as root, a normal user can not remove it. Why would that be? All users have write permision to /tmp. I run debian 7.6 |
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| 21:58.31 | leafwiz | drwxrwxrwt 15 root root 4.0K Jun 21 23:58 . |
| 21:58.40 | abrotman | repxl: that's up to you, they're both easy to install |
| 21:58.42 | leafwiz | doing a ll -a in /tmp |
| 21:58.47 | abrotman | leafwiz: sticky bit |
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| 21:59.26 | leafwiz | abrotman: Hmm.. oki. Need to google that.:) |
| 21:59.39 | repxl | abrotman i just ask if when i have exim4 already default and i install postfix if it will not interrupt each other you know men it's like when you install 4 antiviruses on windows ... |
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| 22:00.00 | repxl | abrotman or what do you think what should i go for. |
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| 22:00.42 | leafwiz | abrotman: thx |
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| 22:01.59 | abrotman | repxl: postfix would replace exim .. |
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| 22:11.45 | koken | hi all |
| 22:12.23 | koken | debootstrap question, how do I set the root directory for the install... https://gist.github.com/anonymous/41144641aa3324d0fd5b |
| 22:12.30 | antiatom | I manually configured rulesets for iptables, but now I want it saved across reboots. |
| 22:12.53 | abrotman | antiatom: save it somewhere, load it with /sbin/iptables-restore |
| 22:13.13 | Emil_ | Do you guys have an idea why fail2ban fails to block basic ssh attacks? |
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| 22:13.43 | sheepdog | i need rtl8168f-1.fw for amd64, where would i find that? |
| 22:14.12 | dvs | antiatom: install the iptables-persistent package |
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| 22:14.15 | abrotman | judd: file rtl8168f-1.fw |
| 22:14.20 | judd | Search for rtl8168f-1.fw in jessie/amd64: firmware-realtek: lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168f-1.fw |
| 22:14.38 | abrotman | dvs: you're taking the fun out of it |
| 22:14.50 | dvs | Oh I know... ;-) |
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| 22:15.17 | leafwiz | okay I have removed the sticky bit from /tmp/derp with chmod o-t /tmp/derp , but I still can not remove a file in the dir. all permissions is given the file. |
| 22:15.26 | antiatom | dvs: Got it, thanks! |
| 22:15.36 | qu | Can anyone advise on a network routing problem? http://postimg.org/image/f1xvnrj2f/ |
| 22:15.39 | abrotman | leafwiz: ls -l /path/to/file |
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| 22:16.03 | abrotman | leafwiz: oh, it's on the directory also .. which you probably don't want to change ... What are you actually trying to do? |
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| 22:18.26 | leafwiz | abrotman: I just want to store some variables in a file from a web-server run as www, but i want another user to be able to delete the file. But I probably can use another directory which I will make myself. |
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| 22:18.44 | leafwiz | Since the sticky bit is so sticky... |
| 22:19.32 | abrotman | leafwiz: you could try group perms |
| 22:20.01 | sheepdog | im kind of lost, its asking it during startup, i have found a deb package but it wants the file, i found a file from a tutorial and im not sure if it's 32 bit or 64 bit or even if that matters but the wireless did not start up when it booted |
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| 22:20.22 | abrotman | sheepdog: install the firmware-realtek package |
| 22:20.26 | leafwiz | abrotman: yeah, I could probably do that. |
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| 22:21.17 | jhutchins | sheepdog: I believe firmware is architecture-agnostic, as it loads to the card not the OS. |
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| 22:21.37 | Gryf | hey there. I've a server on debian, but I wish to change the partitions using something friendly like gparted. Can I use gparted from a server without screen output ? |
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| 22:22.02 | jhutchins | Gryf: BACK UP YOUR DATA FIRST! |
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| 22:22.59 | sheepdog | ah, do i load the debian package in the root of a usb and run the install or do i need to load it somewhere? |
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| 22:23.39 | jhutchins | !realtek firmware |
| 22:23.39 | dpkg | Firmware from userspace is required by the <rtl8192e>, <rtl8192su>, <r8712u>, <rtl8192ce>, <rtl8192cu>, <rtl8192de>, <rtl8192se>, <rtl8821ae>, <r8192ee>, <r8188eu> and <r8723au> Linux kernel drivers. Firmware patches providing bug fixes for specific Realtek Ethernet controllers are also available. Ask me about <non-free sources>, then install the firmware-realtek package to provide. |
| 22:23.43 | abrotman | ... |
| 22:23.55 | abrotman | sheepdog: are you in the installer now? or already done? |
| 22:24.10 | sheepdog | booting back up now |
| 22:24.21 | abrotman | dpkg: tell sheepdog about non-free |
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| 22:26.15 | jhutchins | sheepdog: The firmware-realtek package will install it in the right place. |
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| 22:29.04 | koken | guys I'm running into an issue with debootstrap /mnt/work/usr/sbin/debootstrap: line 23: /usr/share/debootstrap/functions: No such file or directory |
| 22:30.02 | abrotman | judd: file usr/share/debootstrap/functions |
| 22:30.06 | judd | Search for usr/share/debootstrap/functions in jessie/amd64: debootstrap: usr/share/debootstrap/functions |
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| 22:30.26 | antiatom | I just ran make menconfig and it looks terrible, with "q" letters defining the borders |
| 22:30.27 | jhutchins | koken: What are you running it on, and where did you install debootstrap from? |
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| 22:31.24 | koken | jhutchins: installing it from an existing centos distro via ssh, installed it from http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/debootstrap/ |
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| 22:35.00 | jhutchins | kodapa: debootstrap_1.0.67+kbsd8u1.tar.gz? |
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| 22:35.27 | koken | debootstrap_1.0.70_all.deb |
| 22:36.17 | jhutchins | koken: Well, installing a .deb on CentOS is one of those things that has unpredictable results. You could try a tar.gz instead. |
| 22:36.28 | koken | jhutchins: will do thanks |
| 22:36.29 | sheepdog | it didnt ask for the file, but it still didnt ask for a network or a password :/ |
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| 22:37.10 | jhutchins | sheepdog: Well, you do have to configure networking. |
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| 22:42.02 | ShrewdSpirit | Hi. I've just downloaded Debian Jessie Live with XFCE DE but it seems that it cannot be booted from UEFI |
| 22:42.32 | ShrewdSpirit | I can't find any EFI folder or EFI loader in ISO file, is there a way to make it UEFI bootable? |
| 22:42.38 | twiggz | jhutchins: when I asked about a cli epub reader you could have just said unzip it and use w3m to read the html! You arent a very helpful person! |
| 22:42.41 | twiggz | lol |
| 22:42.42 | jhutchins | ShrewdSpirit: Did you read the install guide? |
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| 22:43.02 | jhutchins | twiggz: Did we not come up with a CLI reader? |
| 22:43.19 | twiggz | haha, I dont remember, w3m and unzip works though. and I already had them. |
| 22:43.22 | TJ- | ShrewdSpirit: Apparently not, only in the netinstaller image. I was helping someone with this yesterday |
| 22:43.23 | jhutchins | twiggz: It's likely to be able to read other formats as well (though not PDF). |
| 22:43.43 | jhutchins | twiggz: You asked specifically for a reader, not a method to read it. |
| 22:43.44 | ShrewdSpirit | jhutchins, No D: Does it say how to boot from UEFI? |
| 22:43.52 | jhutchins | !uefi |
| 22:43.53 | dpkg | Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) is a firmware interface specification, intended to replace the <BIOS> firmware interface. Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later releases support installation in (U)EFI mode on 64-bit PC systems (amd64), <secure boot> is currently not supported. http://www.uefi.org/ |
| 22:44.00 | jhutchins | ShrewdSpirit: I believe it does. |
| 22:44.02 | twiggz | Im just busting your chops, jhutchins. |
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| 22:47.52 | plitter | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah, still have to figure out how to port all my settings and such in a smart way :) |
| 22:48.03 | ShrewdSpirit | jhutchins, I couldn't find any information about installing in UEFI mode. My question is how to add UEFI support to the image I downloaded D: |
| 22:48.35 | ShrewdSpirit | I can only boot the image in legacy mode which uses BIOS |
| 22:50.52 | somiaj | ShrewdSpirit: debian wheezy and jessie offical installers contain support for both efi and mbr mode, the one you use depends on how you boot the image |
| 22:50.58 | jhutchins | ShrewdSpirit: Well, I believe it has UEFI support, it's supposed to. |
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| 22:51.27 | jhutchins | ShrewdSpirit: Unfortunately I haven't worked with EFI for about five years. |
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| 22:51.46 | somiaj | the only thing you need to know is boot in efi if you awnt an efi install, boot mbr if you want legacy boot install |
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| 22:52.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | plitter, should be downwards compatible? haven't seen sshd configs that weren't yet... but then, usually don't do any strange stuff there |
| 22:52.15 | ShrewdSpirit | but the images that support EFI booting should have a directory named EFI and EFI loader inside that directory. My image doesn't have that so EFI cannot find its loader |
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| 22:52.40 | ShrewdSpirit | somiaj, I always use EFI, its enabled in my setup |
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| 22:52.58 | somiaj | ShrewdSpirit: where did you get this image? How are you creating the the image? |
| 22:53.31 | ShrewdSpirit | somiaj, http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/ the XFCE one! |
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| 22:53.55 | plitter | CutMeOwnThroat: ohh, you misunderstand, I have a lot of other config files and programs I want to save as well |
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| 22:54.04 | TJ- | jhutchins: several (all?) of the live image don't have an ESP included, I was hit by this yesterday with debian-live-8.1.0-amd64-cinnamon-desktop.iso |
| 22:54.18 | BuzzardBuzz | ShewdSpirit: did you set secure boot to disabled in your UEFI bios settings prior to trying to boot the install ISO |
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| 22:58.06 | ShrewdSpirit_ | ah, I got disconnected |
| 22:58.24 | ShrewdSpirit_ | BuzzardBuzz, yes, secure boot is disabled |
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| 22:58.38 | somiaj | ShrewdSpirit: you never said how you made the image. |
| 22:59.10 | ShrewdSpirit_ | somiaj, I didn't made the image! I downloaded it from here http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/ |
| 22:59.23 | ShrewdSpirit_ | debian-live-8.1.0-amd64-xfce-desktop.iso |
| 22:59.25 | somiaj | ShrewdSpirit_: you put teh image on some sort of boot medium, how did you do that. |
| 22:59.40 | somiaj | ShrewdSpirit_: oh hyou grabed a live image, live images do not support efi, you need an offical insatller |
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| 23:00.35 | ShrewdSpirit_ | somiaj, oh, they are so big D: |
| 23:00.35 | somiaj | ShrewdSpirit_: sorry I didn't notice it was a live image when you first linked it. (: |
| 23:00.53 | somiaj | ShrewdSpirit_: the netinstall image is about 300megs and you can install xfce with that image |
| 23:01.19 | ShrewdSpirit_ | somiaj, does netinstall have any kind of graphical installer? |
| 23:01.20 | somiaj | if you think you may need non-free firwmare for your hardware, there is even a unoffical firmware image, these all support both efi and mbr legacy. The live images only do mbr legacy |
| 23:01.47 | somiaj | ShrewdSpirit_: yes, but there isn't much difference between that and the text installer, just mouse click instead of ncurses though menus, they are very similar |
| 23:01.52 | somiaj | I just use the text one myself |
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| 23:02.45 | ShrewdSpirit_ | somiaj, Cool! thank you so much for the help |
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| 23:05.00 | ShrewdSpirit_ | oh, btw can I install AMD proprietary drivers on Debian? Is that stable? I coundn't do that on Arch or Ubuntu, everytime I tried it, it broke something and I had to reinstall! |
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| 23:05.51 | somiaj | ShrewdSpirit_: yes debian provides the fglrx drivers though the non-free repo. |
| 23:06.05 | somiaj | ShrewdSpirit_: but you can't use fglrx with gnome, but you are using xfce so no big deal there |
| 23:06.09 | jhutchins | I can see that the lower-footprint desktops might be targeted more toward older BIOS based hardware. |
| 23:06.39 | ShrewdSpirit_ | somiaj, aha, thanks |
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| 23:09.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | plitter, ah you mean -> jessie... but actually dpkg will ask you for any modified config file if you want to install the new script-maintainer version or keep yours |
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| 23:36.14 | antiatom | I know that GRUB2 supports this, but do I have do configure things manually on the shell? |
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