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| 00:13.22 | centrx | !ask |
| 00:13.22 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 00:30.41 | Rudde | What is the difference between mlocate and locate |
| 00:32.44 | abrotman | oddly, they have package descriptions |
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| 00:33.00 | nebbia_ | hello everyone... |
| 00:33.12 | Rudde | No |
| 00:33.14 | Rudde | not mlocate |
| 00:33.21 | nebbia_ | i'm using debian 8 with systemd... but don't understand why i have rc0.d rc1.d rc2.d etc... |
| 00:33.22 | Rudde | I've been told mlocate is so much better then locate |
| 00:33.29 | Rudde | but man mlocate just goes to locates manual |
| 00:33.29 | nebbia_ | are those directories created by systemd ? |
| 00:33.35 | nebbia_ | or still from sysVinit ? |
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| 00:34.21 | abrotman | Rudde: apt-cache show mlocate |
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| 00:40.48 | nebbia_ | hello everyone... if i create a service ijn which directory should i put it? |
| 00:41.18 | nebbia_ | i have systemd ... but rc0 rc1 rc2 etc... directories confuse me |
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| 00:43.31 | imMute | nebbia_: /etc/systemd/system most likely |
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| 00:44.54 | nebbia_ | but why i have rc directories ? are those from sysvinit? |
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| 00:46.57 | nebbia_ | additionally can't understand why the pid 1 is /sbin/init and not systemd |
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| 00:56.22 | xantipos | can someone tell dpkg to tell me about backporting? |
| 00:56.28 | xantipos | idk the syntax |
| 00:56.48 | abrotman | dpkg: tell xantipos about ssb |
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| 00:57.17 | xantipos | abrotman: thanks :) |
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| 01:08.14 | imMute | nebbia_: probably for sysvinit compatability or something. |
| 01:08.21 | nebbia_ | ok thanks |
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| 01:09.26 | imMute | nebbia_: also, see "stat /sbin/init" |
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| 01:10.16 | nebbia_ | ok yes... it tells me systemd... init is just a link |
| 01:10.20 | nebbia_ | perfect now i understand |
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| 01:11.28 | nebbia_ | imMute is the stat command installed by default on most distros ? |
| 01:12.07 | imMute | nebbia_: I would expect it to be installed on just about everything. |
| 01:12.08 | centrx | nebbia_, yes, it's part of coreutils |
| 01:12.34 | Eduard_Munteanu | Alternatively, there's 'readlink'. |
| 01:13.04 | Eduard_Munteanu | Or even 'ls -l' |
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| 01:14.22 | nebbia_ | i knew ls -l but no readlink |
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| 01:16.52 | nebbia_ | thank you imMute, centrx and Eduard_Munteanu ... gn |
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| 01:31.39 | Otyugh | heya. I've got a problem using nfs ; it mounts, but I get some "permission denied" when I try to cd it |
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| 01:32.04 | Otyugh | looks like a permission problem between server and client, right ? Can I ignore this ? |
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| 01:35.15 | Nnavd | .. well you cant use it if you dont have the permissions to use it otyugh |
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| 01:40.36 | Otyugh | Nnavd: this was useful, thanks |
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| 01:42.56 | maazu | hi |
| 01:43.10 | maazu | where can i get kernel related documentation |
| 01:43.13 | maazu | where can i get kernel related documentation? |
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| 01:51.11 | koken | hi all trying to run grub on my newly partioned debian os but I have to point it to the physical location of it |
| 01:51.31 | koken | and my dev directory in the chroot is empty pretty much no devices |
| 01:52.01 | koken | do i have to leave chroot and run grub from my main partition |
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| 01:53.14 | qman__ | You need to mount /process, /sys, and /dev inside the chrooted area prior to entering the chroot |
| 01:53.22 | qman__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:53.46 | koken | thats what i was thining qman!! |
| 01:53.49 | koken | thinking |
| 01:53.51 | rabbitea1 | with --bind |
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| 01:54.32 | koken | rabbitea1: i have dev bound |
| 01:54.49 | koken | qman__: but i did the bind inside chroot |
| 01:55.04 | rabbitea1 | you maybe need /proc and maybe /sys as well |
| 01:55.15 | koken | rabbitea1: i mounted those inside |
| 01:56.06 | qman__ | cd /mnt/chroot; mount -t proc none proc; mount --rbind /dev dev; mount --rbind /sys sys; chroot /mint/chroot /bin/bash |
| 01:56.21 | qman__ | Is the process I follow |
| 01:57.01 | koken | perfect |
| 01:57.35 | qman__ | That assumes those dirs exist, need to make them otherwise |
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| 02:01.28 | Luke-Jr | Is there a way to request a backport to wheezy? The current rsync is buggy :| |
| 02:01.56 | koken | qman__: it worked but I get this https://gist.github.com/anonymous/e39aa1567f4ca4203fa1 |
| 02:01.58 | abrotman | you can make your own |
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| 02:04.16 | schmity | is it possible to explain a docker container with root access on that container for a debian system? |
| 02:04.31 | ryouma | Luke-Jr: there is a mailing list for backports |
| 02:04.47 | ryouma | Luke-Jr: also there are probably instructions for making backports? |
| 02:05.05 | ryouma | Luke-Jr: which bugs in particular? |
| 02:05.19 | Luke-Jr | abrotman: yeah, I made rsync's twice in the past week, but .. there's lots of platforms, so it'd be nice to not have to install ~100 packages just to build for all of them |
| 02:05.33 | Luke-Jr | ryouma: --fake-super tries to set xattrs on symlinks, which is not supported on Linux |
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| 02:06.22 | koken | qman__: is it safe to grub that partition at this point |
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| 02:07.33 | qman__ | koken: probably not, looks like you might have tried to use a partition as a whole disk somewhere |
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| 02:08.08 | qman__ | i.e. it's expecting an MBR when there's just a filesystem |
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| 02:29.45 | Pegasus_RPG | Hello. I'm using apt-cacher and it's not been able to get i386 repos |
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| 03:04.38 | arahael | The inconvenience of not having javascript, to me, is offset by having a more reliable browser. :4 |
| 03:04.54 | arahael | blinks. Damn that cut&paste. |
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| 03:11.29 | dbrass | hi, has anyone encountered problems with media key lately? |
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| 03:11.37 | dbrass | when running testing |
| 03:12.05 | dbrass | mine stopped working right after an update yesterday |
| 03:13.29 | dbrass | the keypress is still registered as per "showkey --scancodes" but they have no effect on gnome's settings |
| 03:13.57 | dbrass | I can't change the brightness or the volume |
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| 03:30.51 | somiaj | dbristow: Someone else was having a similar issue yesterday. We looked at xev to see if the events were being registered and he got no keypress or keyrelese events. This means either xorg isn't registering the keys or there is a program grabbing the event and not passing it on (if xev doen't see it) |
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| 03:48.45 | asterismo | hi ppl |
| 03:49.00 | Justin417 | Hello |
| 03:49.13 | asterismo | hi ppl |
| 03:49.23 | asterismo | i'm running some services on my home connection |
| 03:49.31 | asterismo | my ISP resets my IP like 6 times a day |
| 03:49.42 | asterismo | and so connections are lost, IRC, downloads... etc |
| 03:50.10 | Justin417 | So your internet completely disconnects when your IP changes? |
| 03:50.17 | asterismo | is there anyway to prevent this in this non-fixed IP scenario? |
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| 03:50.44 | asterismo | yes |
| 03:50.57 | asterismo | i mean, IRC drops and reconnects |
| 03:51.08 | asterismo | but everyone in my server gets dropped |
| 03:51.08 | Justin417 | Hmm |
| 03:51.18 | asterismo | i'm running a tor hidden service |
| 03:51.26 | asterismo | and a friendica social pod |
| 03:51.43 | asterismo | so i'm currently thinking of a fixed IP |
| 03:51.56 | asterismo | but want to explore some other possibility if exists |
| 03:52.22 | Justin417 | I see, your best bet would be fixed IP with your provider... but one other alternative I can think of is get some cheap VPS, and run a VPN service on that |
| 03:52.24 | asterismo | i dunno if this is even the right channel for this question, please advice me in this too |
| 03:52.36 | Justin417 | Have your home server connect to the VPN then route the connection though that |
| 03:52.42 | Justin417 | Since VMs would have a static address |
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| 03:53.07 | asterismo | Justin417: i'm not familiar with VPS |
| 03:53.13 | Justin417 | Although if your internet does still completely disconnect, it may still be an issue since the VPN will disconnect as well. |
| 03:53.22 | asterismo | my servers run on VirtualBox btw |
| 03:53.45 | Justin417 | Oh asterismo, basically its a virtual server hosted by a company that would have a non-changing IP |
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| 03:54.09 | Justin417 | And most likely would be cheaper than paying for a fixed IP with your provider |
| 03:54.50 | asterismo | yeah, but the server gets executed remotely |
| 03:54.52 | asterismo | right? |
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| 03:55.02 | asterismo | i want to keep homebrew |
| 03:55.12 | asterismo | in my machine |
| 03:55.25 | Justin417 | Alright I get what you mean, I know how you feel haha I home host almost everything as well |
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| 03:55.49 | Justin417 | So how often does the IP change? Like once a day or once every few hours? |
| 03:56.04 | asterismo | more like once a few hours |
| 03:56.12 | Justin417 | Ahh :\ |
| 03:56.24 | dnsk | asterismo: http://dyn.com/dns/ |
| 03:56.24 | asterismo | yeah, it is a completely fail |
| 03:56.26 | Justin417 | I was going to say, a service called Dynamic DNS may have been able to help |
| 03:56.35 | Justin417 | But if it changes every few hours that may not work as well |
| 03:57.32 | Justin417 | What that would do would update a domain (or sub-domain) to your IP every time it changes |
| 03:57.37 | dnsk | when i used dyndns some years ago there was a software that updated the ddns host with the new ip as soon it was changed. |
| 03:57.53 | asterismo | yeah i have that |
| 03:57.54 | Justin417 | dnsk, even if the IP changed every few hours? |
| 03:57.59 | asterismo | it's of for apache |
| 03:58.02 | dnsk | yep |
| 03:58.02 | asterismo | but not for irc |
| 03:58.08 | Justin417 | Oh interesting dnsk |
| 03:58.55 | dnsk | as soon as it's changed it updates. may take a few minutes though and asterismo will still have a disconnect, but the host is the same for reconnection. |
| 03:59.10 | Justin417 | I see |
| 03:59.11 | Justin417 | asterismo, whos your current Dynamic DNS provider? |
| 03:59.20 | asterismo | afraid free dns |
| 03:59.39 | asterismo | my server is friendica.undernet.club |
| 03:59.39 | Justin417 | Ah |
| 04:00.23 | Justin417 | has that been working pretty well? |
| 04:00.38 | asterismo | yeah, flawless |
| 04:00.48 | Justin417 | Nice |
| 04:01.44 | Justin417 | As for the disconnecting problem... not much I can see to do there |
| 04:01.49 | Justin417 | Sorry I coulden't help more |
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| 04:03.40 | asterismo | Justin417: thanks for the chat |
| 04:03.54 | asterismo | i prob go for the fixed IP |
| 04:03.57 | Justin417 | No worries, hope you can get that problem sorted |
| 04:04.04 | Justin417 | Does your ISP want some crazy price for fixed IP? |
| 04:04.12 | asterismo | i dunno |
| 04:04.15 | asterismo | will call tomorrow |
| 04:04.19 | Justin417 | Ah |
| 04:05.34 | Justin417 | Hope its reasonable for you... in the united states most providers charge you like crazy :( |
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| 04:52.55 | aRealFemaleOnIRC | favorite PDF reader? preferably low resource, regularly recieves security updates, and compatible with iceweasel |
| 04:53.22 | aRealFemaleOnIRC | I just realized that I can't read cryptome files in my chroot without one, haha |
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| 04:55.00 | aRealFemaleOnIRC | http://cryptome.org/2015/06/pdf-suspicious.htm kek |
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| 05:03.25 | aRealFemaleOnIRC | apt-get install mozplugger ? |
| 05:05.22 | aRealFemaleOnIRC | or just about:config pdfjs? |
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| 05:09.19 | aRealFemaleOnIRC | ah, pdfjs works fine. it's in a secured chroot anyway |
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| 05:14.30 | zacts | how can I get sysctl for debian jessie? |
| 05:15.00 | zykotick9 | zacts: do you mean "systemctl"? |
| 05:15.16 | zacts | no |
| 05:15.18 | zacts | let me show |
| 05:15.28 | zacts | http://inai.de/links/iptables/ |
| 05:15.40 | zacts | see the Posting Guidelines section |
| 05:15.52 | zacts | #netfilter wants me to paste those lines in my bash |
| 05:16.04 | zacts | so I can paste my iptables info for discussion on channel |
| 05:16.08 | zacts | and one of the commands is sysctl |
| 05:16.19 | zacts | perhaps systemctl replaced sysctl in debian jessie? |
| 05:16.27 | zacts | and if so, what is the equivalent command? |
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| 05:21.40 | zacts | oh silly of me |
| 05:21.43 | zacts | I'm tired |
| 05:21.46 | zacts | sudo sysctl |
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| 05:22.49 | aRealFemaleOnIRC | haha |
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| 05:23.42 | zacts | well, considering I used FreeBSD / OpenBSD for a while with different command names, not too surprising |
| 05:24.43 | aRealFemaleOnIRC | what gui did you use with *BSD? |
| 05:26.45 | zacts | aRealFemaleOnIRC: I only use i3wm and stumpwm |
| 05:26.53 | zacts | so not a gui, but a tiling-wm |
| 05:27.00 | zacts | there is pcbsd if you want a desktop bsd |
| 05:27.20 | zacts | they are developing a new qt-based desktop |
| 05:27.23 | zacts | http://pcbsd.org |
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| 05:29.01 | aRealFemaleOnIRC | interesting... thanks |
| 05:30.09 | zacts | ah yeah |
| 05:30.14 | aRealFemaleOnIRC | theory question here regarding anonymity... is anyone aware of any evidence that suggests that cache ("offline website data" in iceweasel) can be uniquely identifying? |
| 05:30.15 | zacts | it's FreeBSD underneath |
| 05:30.31 | zacts | aRealFemaleOnIRC: although, you should /join #linux or #gnu |
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| 05:30.39 | zacts | this is like for only debian jessie conversation |
| 05:30.45 | zacts | they usually don't like off-topic afaik |
| 05:31.01 | aRealFemaleOnIRC | personally I'm moving in the direction of openbsd, but for a server |
| 05:31.13 | aRealFemaleOnIRC | yeah they banned me from -offtopic |
| 05:31.15 | zacts | aRealFemaleOnIRC: you can /join my #zacts channel though, for more chatter |
| 05:32.08 | aRealFemaleOnIRC | feels conflicted |
| 05:32.12 | MrFrood | zacts: Debian loves offtopic so mucg that they created a special channel just for offtopic ;) |
| 05:32.21 | zacts | MrFrood: yeah |
| 05:32.35 | aRealFemaleOnIRC | MrFrood, and they banned me from it for being too off topic and too not off topic |
| 05:32.52 | Justin417 | Sorry to bother your conversation but what would this Debian "off-topic" channel be? |
| 05:33.09 | zacts | Justin417: I'm assuming it's on irc.ofct.net |
| 05:33.11 | aRealFemaleOnIRC | they (jelly) has a really specific and yet undefined view of what offtopic chat should be |
| 05:33.17 | zacts | that's where most debian channels are |
| 05:33.17 | MrFrood | Justin417: #debian-offtopic |
| 05:33.20 | aRealFemaleOnIRC | it's #debian-offtopic |
| 05:33.23 | Justin417 | Thank you |
| 05:33.28 | Justin417 | #debian-offtopic |
| 05:33.32 | Justin417 | Oops haha |
| 05:33.44 | MrFrood | Justin417: on both freenode & oftc |
| 05:33.47 | zacts | aRealFemaleOnIRC: #nemysis is a casual social chat of OpenBSD / FreeBSD developers |
| 05:33.49 | zacts | and stuff |
| 05:33.53 | zacts | and other users |
| 05:33.59 | Justin417 | Alright MrFrood thank you |
| 05:34.05 | zacts | but some of the bsdnow.tv podcast people hang out there |
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| 05:34.30 | zacts | if you want to learn more about OpenBSD / FreeBSd |
| 05:34.49 | aRealFemaleOnIRC | much appreciated. I do. I got banned for talking about it in #debian-offtopic |
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| 05:35.03 | aRealFemaleOnIRC | there were multiple factors involved, though |
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| 05:46.59 | spreadsheet | can I install two internal hard drives into my computer, have one OS on each hard drive? |
| 05:47.03 | spreadsheet | instead of master/slave |
| 05:47.52 | Equa | spreadsheet: yes |
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| 05:48.07 | spreadsheet | is it complicated? |
| 05:48.16 | spreadsheet | I'll look it up |
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| 05:48.37 | Equa | spreadsheet: which os are you planning on installing? |
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| 05:48.45 | spreadsheet | debian, for now⦠|
| 05:49.13 | Equa | spreadsheet: if it's windows, do that one first. Then install debian |
| 05:49.24 | spreadsheet | yeah, so I'll have windows on one and then linux on other |
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| 05:52.52 | MrFrood | cheapie: scrot is the business ;) |
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| 06:10.48 | sauvin | mikko, I presume nouveau. I know almost nothing about any of this, and don't really understand some of the stuff I've seen from google. |
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| 06:11.09 | sauvin | I'm further hampered by being stuck in a bunch of screens. The desktop is simply not usable. |
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| 06:11.41 | Equa | sauvin: if you're on debian. follow instructions https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
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| 06:12.14 | sauvin | peers |
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| 06:15.14 | sauvin | Page does not exist. |
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| 06:16.11 | Equa | sauvin: it works for me. check your spelling again |
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| 06:18.13 | sauvin | Yea, like I said, stuck with consoles (actually, screen). Copy and paste doesn't really exist in this environment. |
| 06:18.30 | hyper_ch | hmmmm, btrfs and apt still is a horrible combination :( |
| 06:19.19 | Equa | sauvin: mind if i paste you the instructions in private? |
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| 06:20.06 | hyper_ch | why not use a pastebin and post that link? |
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| 06:21.02 | Equa | sauvin: http://pastebin.com/7Vts1ChY |
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| 06:21.45 | sauvin | I have no mouse, can't click on that link and am barely able to use weechat-curses. |
| 06:21.47 | Equa | he's unable to even go to the site |
| 06:21.56 | hyper_ch | oh |
| 06:22.03 | sauvin | Oh, that... found the site, am reading. |
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| 06:22.31 | sauvin | (slow going in lynx, too) |
| 06:22.57 | Equa | sauvin: your Version should be 304.125 for 6xxx and 7xxx GPU |
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| 06:25.40 | sauvin | That's what I got, yea. apt-getting stuff now. |
| 06:26.03 | sauvin | Ooo... something is building. |
| 06:26.06 | Equa | sauvin: : do step 1. adding contrib and non-free first. then step 2 |
| 06:26.17 | Mikko- | don't forget to configure it |
| 06:26.20 | Equa | then go to the Version 304.125 sectio nand follow that |
| 06:26.27 | sauvin | Did that, doing that. |
| 06:26.59 | jelly | you'd basically do |
| 06:27.02 | jelly | !nvidia dkms |
| 06:27.02 | dpkg | For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems. Ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>. «aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf». Restart your system to enable the <nouveau> blacklist. |
| 06:27.15 | jelly | except with nvidia-legacy-304xx-kernel-dkms instead of nvidia-kernel-dkms |
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| 06:31.54 | sauvin | kk, did all that, seems simple enough. We'll see on reboot. |
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| 06:35.45 | sauvin | Well, this is interesting. I now have no X at ALL. |
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| 06:36.11 | Equa | did you follow the instruction for creting xorg configuration file? |
| 06:36.18 | Equa | *creating |
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| 06:37.01 | sauvin | I installed nvidia-xconfig and ran it. |
| 06:37.12 | Equa | yeah that should do it |
| 06:37.19 | sauvin | And then rebooted. |
| 06:37.27 | sauvin | NO graphical login screen at ALL. |
| 06:38.10 | Equa | sauvin: what DE do you have installed? |
| 06:38.40 | jelly | sauvin: the xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf chunk should have been sufficient, no need for full xorg.conf |
| 06:38.52 | sauvin | Trying to use KDE. |
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| 06:39.17 | jelly | sauvin: pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 06:39.31 | sauvin | Moment while I install a pastebinit command. |
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| 06:42.07 | TyrfingMjolnir | How can I set the timestamp according to npdate? |
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| 06:42.57 | sauvin | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/255027/ |
| 06:42.58 | jelly | TyrfingMjolnir: that's what ntpdate does by default, just give it a ntp server |
| 06:43.34 | TyrfingMjolnir | I have npdate on some nodes, others not |
| 06:43.52 | jelly | sauvin: weird. Is nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver installed? |
| 06:43.55 | Equa | sauvin: looks like you're missing the modules |
| 06:43.55 | TyrfingMjolnir | There is no npdate available |
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| 06:44.05 | TyrfingMjolnir | # cat /etc/issue |
| 06:44.05 | TyrfingMjolnir | Debian GNU/Linux 6.0 \n \l |
| 06:44.29 | jelly | TyrfingMjolnir: ntpdate |
| 06:44.53 | jelly | TyrfingMjolnir: not "npdate", missing a t in there |
| 06:45.04 | TyrfingMjolnir | Ahhh |
| 06:45.12 | TyrfingMjolnir | That's the confusion, thanks |
| 06:46.30 | sauvin | I just reran the apt-get install nvidia-legacy-304xx-kernel-dkms, and it came back with "but it's already installed". |
| 06:46.39 | jelly | it's probably better to use the "ntp" package instead with its ntpd daemon / ntp service, if possible. But some hw clocks are too broken for ntpd to even want to work |
| 06:47.16 | jelly | sauvin: that's the kernel part. X server however complains of the xorg part missing. |
| 06:47.44 | sauvin | That might just mean I need to create what you were talking about and renaming the existing xorg.conf? |
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| 06:48.10 | jelly | sauvin: that means: verify whether nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver is installed, first |
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| 06:49.43 | jelly | it should have been installed as a Recommends: of kernel-dkms package, but maybe you have disabled automatic installation of Recommends for some reason |
| 06:49.51 | sauvin | That *package* is certainly installed. |
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| 06:50.35 | Equa | sauvin: it's recommended to install nvidia-glx package. have you done that? |
| 06:50.45 | vincent_c | sauvin: also check to make sure xserver-xorg-video-nvidia-legacy-304xx is installed (that's the package that contains the nvidia DDX module) |
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| 06:51.40 | sauvin | vincent_c: that package is installed. equa, looking. |
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| 06:51.49 | jelly | sauvin: ls -la /usr/lib/nvidia/*/nvidia_drv.so /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so /etc/alternatives/glx--nvidia_drv.so |
| 06:52.49 | jelly | Equa: he needs the legacy driver, NOT nvidia-glx |
| 06:53.07 | jelly | (which is the current version) |
| 06:53.28 | sauvin | installing nvidia-glx |
| 06:53.30 | Equa | jelly: ahh. it was part of the instruction for Version 304.125 |
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| 06:53.38 | vincent_c | definitely worth checking the symlinks set by update-alternatives |
| 06:53.44 | jelly | sigh |
| 06:53.47 | vincent_c | try out the suggestion in https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=749264#100 ? |
| 06:53.48 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/749264 in nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver (open): «No nvidia-driver working»; severity: important; opened: 2014-05-25; last modified: 2015-04-26. |
| 06:53.54 | sauvin | Ugh, NOW you tell me! |
| 06:54.22 | vincent_c | sauvin: don't install nvidia-glx unless you want nvidia 340.xx instead of the legacy 304.xx |
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| 06:54.33 | sauvin | Like I said, NOW you tell me. |
| 06:54.39 | sauvin | It's installed. How do I undo this? |
| 06:55.01 | jelly | remove all the packages it brought |
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| 06:56.31 | sauvin | Easier said than done, I fear. |
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| 06:57.45 | jelly | it doesn't really matter, choosing the active nvidia driver is managed thru alternatives |
| 06:58.04 | jelly | so you may leave that installed |
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| 06:58.29 | sauvin | Mmkay, theoretically, all these packages are installed. |
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| 06:58.56 | jelly | however, installing it likely overrode the 304-legacy alternative. that ls would be nice. |
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| 06:59.12 | sauvin | This might be a bit of a splutter... |
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| 06:59.42 | sauvin | wait, I just saw that '*' |
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| 06:59.59 | jelly | screen has copy/paste abilities :-) |
| 07:00.12 | sauvin | That I've never mastered. |
| 07:00.21 | jelly | !pal sauvin |
| 07:00.21 | dpkg | points at sauvin and laughs |
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| 07:02.36 | jelly | 1. Ctrl-a [ 2. cursors and pageup/pagedown to find the beginning of the desired text 3. space 4. cursors to move to the end of desired text 5. space again ... now it's copied. 6. Ctrl-a ] to paste |
| 07:03.33 | sauvin | I have nvidia_drv.so in /etc/alternatives/nvidia |
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| 07:04.52 | sauvin | Gonna try a reboot, just to see what happens, should be back momentarily |
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| 07:05.16 | jelly | sauvin: it's likely the newer driver is active, and will not bring your card up |
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| 07:07.30 | sauvin | What I now have, in addition to having no graphical login screen, is a console whose font is about a mile and a half high. |
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| 07:07.50 | ws2k3 | Hello when i try to run apt-get upgrade i get : dpkg: warning: files list file for package `x' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed. i already tryed apt-get purge, autoremove, clean, install --reinstall but that all didnt worked what can i do to fix this |
| 07:07.55 | Equa | sauvin: remove the nvidia conf file in /etc/X11 |
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| 07:09.02 | Equa | sauvin: rename your old xorg.conf file to xorg.conf. then remove the blacklist on nouveau in /etc/modprobe.d/ |
| 07:09.19 | jelly | Equa: whoa there, let's see which driver they're using now, before going back to nouveau |
| 07:09.42 | sauvin | How to make that determination? |
| 07:09.44 | Equa | i think he used nvidia-config to creat one so it backed up the last xorg.conf |
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| 07:10.00 | jelly | for one thing I don't think sauvin ever had a chance to try 304 legacy version |
| 07:10.09 | Equa | there was a bug on it |
| 07:10.11 | sauvin | Doesn't look like it. |
| 07:10.45 | jelly | sauvin: ls -ld /usr/lib/nvidia/*/nvidia_drv.so /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so /etc/alternatives/glx--nvidia_drv.so /etc/alternatives/nvidia |
| 07:10.52 | Equa | (11:53:54 PM) judd: Bug http://bugs.debian.org/749264 in nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver (open): «No nvidia-driver working»; severity: important; opened: 2014-05-25; last modified: 2015-04-26. |
| 07:10.53 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/749264 in nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver (open): «No nvidia-driver working»; severity: important; opened: 2014-05-25; last modified: 2015-04-26. |
| 07:11.10 | sauvin | I am unable to handle that mass of text in my present situation. |
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| 07:11.16 | Equa | sorry. coudlnt' remember your name judd xd |
| 07:11.27 | Equa | had to scroll up and copied / paste |
| 07:11.55 | jelly | sauvin: can you at least say what does /etc/alternatives/glx--nvidia_drv.so point to |
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| 07:15.34 | sauvin | jelly: /usr/lib/nvidia/nvidia_drv.so |
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| 07:16.36 | jelly | sauvin: that's the new driver that won't work for you. |
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| 07:16.48 | sauvin | What is needed? |
| 07:17.04 | jelly | sauvin: update-alternatives --config glx, pick the nvidia 304 legacy if listed. |
| 07:17.29 | jelly | sauvin: if it's not listed, pastebin the output |
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| 07:19.37 | jelly | sauvin: hm, actually, perhaps the better option is: update-alternatives --config nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure glx-alternative-nvidia |
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| 07:20.47 | jelly | (you can read about that command in /usr/share/doc/nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver/README.alternatives) |
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| 07:21.39 | sauvin | That did a bunch of promising things, including updating intiramfs. |
| 07:21.55 | sauvin | Reboot time, I think, just to see if it made any difference. |
| 07:22.26 | jelly | sauvin: after update-alternatives has done its thing, verify again ls -ld /etc/alternatives/glx--nvidia_drv.so /etc/alternatives/nvidia |
| 07:22.30 | jelly | sigh |
| 07:23.14 | Equa | he's a fast one |
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| 07:25.04 | sauvin | I am now talking to you from hexchat, which was flatly impossible a few minutes ago. |
| 07:25.14 | sauvin | One stick in the mud: the mouse won't move. |
| 07:25.23 | mmc | what is the best free dns server ? |
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| 07:26.09 | digdilem | mmc, 8.8.8.8 - google's |
| 07:27.09 | mmc | digdilem : how can i access to my web site on my web server apache from External like internet ? |
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| 07:29.10 | jelly | sauvin: dunno about the mouse. Did you try plugging it into a different port? :-) |
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| 07:29.29 | digdilem | mmc, sounds like you're looking for a dynamic dns server, rather than a dns server. Different question and one I don't have an answer for |
| 07:29.38 | digdilem | dyndns.com used to be good, nfi now though |
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| 07:29.48 | sauvin | Oh, wait a tick... pulling the mouse out of the computer and shoving it into an external hub fixed that problem. |
| 07:29.49 | sauvin | I am now KDE'ing! |
| 07:30.08 | jelly | so that actually works sometimes. |
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| 07:30.19 | no_gravity | When a script hangs, is there a way to find out at which line or command? |
| 07:30.19 | mmc | i installed apache web server and id created a domain |
| 07:30.21 | Equa | nice. learnt something new |
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| 07:30.42 | digdilem | no pm's, mmc. talk here - i'm going afk and someone else may be able to help |
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| 07:31.13 | mmc | and i did dmz on my modem how to bind my domain to web server to show website ? |
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| 07:31.40 | sauvin | I'm KDE'ing, gots a keyboard that works, gots a mouse that works, and a desktop that actually looks something like a desktop. |
| 07:31.50 | sauvin | Now, where the hell IS everything!? (this is my fight, now) |
| 07:31.57 | digdilem | mmc, you need an A record set on your name server (which may be provided by who you bought your domain from) |
| 07:31.58 | sauvin | Gentlemen, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. |
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| 07:32.18 | digdilem | mmc, set that to your IP and then WAIT (up to 12 hours or so) |
| 07:32.27 | jelly | sauvin: current nvidia-settings may or may not work correctly. If they don't, install nvidia-settings-legacy-304xx instead |
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| 07:33.21 | sauvin | In what way might they not "work correctly" if I'm seeing everything I'm supposed to be seeing? |
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| 07:34.17 | jelly | sauvin: that probably means they work |
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| 07:34.45 | sauvin | That's kinda where I'm going, yea. |
| 07:34.52 | arahael | shakes his head. |
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| 07:36.22 | sauvin | installs supertuxkart just to see |
| 07:36.49 | sauvin | I'm guessing this may well be the last time I can use linux on this computer, eh? |
| 07:36.59 | jelly | if you have wobbly windows in kde things probably work well enough |
| 07:37.13 | sauvin | Windows ain't wobbling. |
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| 07:37.36 | jelly | pick one up, move it around |
| 07:37.52 | jelly | then disable the stupid effect |
| 07:38.08 | sauvin | Haven't disabled anything yet, windows aren't wobbling when I move them. |
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| 07:38.19 | jelly | iiinteresting |
| 07:38.43 | jelly | might want to pastebin the output of "glxinfo" |
| 07:39.10 | arahael | This conversation is sureal. |
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| 07:45.07 | sauvin | glxinfo: not found. |
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| 07:46.01 | Mikko- | sauvin: install mesa-utils |
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| 07:47.19 | sauvin | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/255205/ |
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| 07:48.08 | jelly | looks fine |
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| 07:50.17 | sauvin | supertuxkart reporting some ~22 FPS. When this machine was running Squeeze, I was getting more like 0.05. Net improvement. |
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| 07:50.51 | Mikko- | tell us your specs :) |
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| 07:52.11 | sauvin | Well, lemme see... lspci says "You got this from Walmart, didn't you, you tool!?" |
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| 07:58.27 | fyuza21 | few things that don't work with debian jessie: logging out the user shows the boot log/black screen vt for a few seconds. gnome3 does not load extensions (gpaste and gnote) at startup |
| 07:58.39 | fyuza21 | any experience with these things? |
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| 08:08.47 | sauvin | Does Jessie not use PulseAudio? |
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| 08:09.01 | hassoon | sauvin, it uses it |
| 08:09.27 | Mikko- | yeah, you can use it if you want it |
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| 08:09.38 | sauvin | It installs by default? |
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| 08:10.18 | hassoon | oh i don't remember if i had to install it or got it by default |
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| 08:10.32 | Mikko- | I don't think so, it depends on which DE you install |
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| 08:10.54 | sauvin | KDE. |
| 08:11.09 | hassoon | kde 4.14.2 is awesome :) |
| 08:11.19 | sauvin | Not so sure about THAT. |
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| 08:11.32 | hassoon | about what |
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| 08:11.56 | sauvin | The KDE that comes with Jessie. Looks like I'm going to be spending a weekend disabling crap I don't want. |
| 08:12.29 | hassoon | just get the kde-plasma-desktop package |
| 08:13.30 | sauvin | Dunno what I got; when the installer asked what I wanted, I said "KDE". Still have some exploring to do, now that I got the bitch running. |
| 08:13.59 | hassoon | ah you are talking about the installation phase of the OS itself? |
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| 08:14.59 | sauvin | Yup. |
| 08:15.03 | hassoon | I just installed debian without a DE, then installed i3wm, and later kde-plasma-desktop |
| 08:15.20 | hassoon | back in February |
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| 08:16.50 | hassoon | well kde-plasma-desktop was installed just recently, like a week ago :p |
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| 08:27.32 | fyuza21 | hello. if i logout the user from e.g. gnome session i can see the vt/boot text for a few seconds. this happens if grub has the option splash set. how to get a seemless logout without seeing this boot text/the vt? using debian jessie |
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| 08:30.55 | YamakasY | anyone using anyterm ? |
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| 08:33.24 | IsntFunny | Hello. Everytime i try to edit a file in nano it tells me "Segmentation fault" but if i use nano to create a new file it works. Any ideas? |
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| 08:33.58 | IsntFunny | Just realized, even if i edit a non-existing file like "nano newfile" it tells me Segmentation fault |
| 08:34.01 | YamakasY | disk broken ? |
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| 08:34.34 | IsntFunny | you mean harddisk= |
| 08:34.42 | YamakasY | yes |
| 08:34.56 | IsntFunny | no, everything works fine |
| 08:35.02 | YamakasY | just check ti |
| 08:35.02 | YamakasY | it |
| 08:35.05 | YamakasY | I'm not sure |
| 08:35.07 | IsntFunny | how |
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| 08:35.27 | YamakasY | any checkdisk program you wanna use |
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| 08:36.24 | IsntFunny | i can find fsck, is that okay to use? |
| 08:36.35 | p01s0n | i have kvm installed on debian wheezy and trying to start rhel6.6 qcow2 image which is imported from rhel7.1 hypervisor,each time i start vm it panics.Same image is working fine on rhel7.1 server .Any idea where could be the issue |
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| 08:36.40 | p01s0n | http://pastebin.com/CQmTSLCp |
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| 08:52.13 | twisted` | hey, I want to add a cronjob to my .deb package, according to https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/dother.en.html#crond I simply add a debian/package.cron.d but even after adding this file, it doesn't do anything with it... |
| 08:52.21 | twisted` | I also have no idea how to confirm it properly added it |
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| 09:01.22 | rabgulo | hello poeple. i have problem, lftp dont connect with TLS... if i use filezilla, all get right. it is bug or bad config of lftp? |
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| 09:09.41 | Otyugh | just realized |
| 09:10.18 | Otyugh | when you do a backup, is there a way to copy accurately groups and users ? |
| 09:11.00 | Otyugh | Knowing that groups and users permissions are just numbers, and that each system backing up there have same numbers... |
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| 09:13.50 | Stummi | Otyugh, how do you back up currently? |
| 09:14.10 | Stummi | rsync -a should take care of all relevant file attributes |
| 09:14.21 | Otyugh | nfs and rsync |
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| 09:14.41 | rabgulo | ah! good configuration solved my problem. i edit .lftprc |
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| 09:14.41 | rabgulo | set ftp:ssl-allow true |
| 09:14.41 | rabgulo | set ftp:ssl-force true |
| 09:14.41 | rabgulo | set ftp:ssl-protect-data true |
| 09:14.41 | rabgulo | set ftp:ssl-protect-list true |
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| 09:15.01 | Otyugh | got a Stummi well, I do rsync -a, but it fails |
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| 09:15.26 | Otyugh | But it's normal, right ? |
| 09:15.27 | Stummi | Otyugh, how does it fail? |
| 09:15.54 | Otyugh | the few that I know about linux : groups and users have IDs, that are specific to every system |
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| 09:16.11 | Stummi | yes |
| 09:16.12 | Otyugh | so as I'm backing up to another system, it can't replicate groups ands users. |
| 09:16.14 | Otyugh | Right ? |
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| 09:16.18 | rabgulo | sory :) |
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| 09:16.44 | Otyugh | So -a can't conserve permissions user:group |
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| 09:17.04 | Stummi | Otyugh, normally you back up with the gids and uids. If you don't have the same set of UIDs and GIDs on the remote machine it may lead to some confusing constellations but its no problem in general |
| 09:17.14 | guardian | hello, I have the habit of issuing /etc/init.d/<service> start|stop|reload |
| 09:17.16 | Stummi | you can even have an "invalid" UID and GID for a file which is not known to the system |
| 09:17.17 | guardian | what's the modern way? |
| 09:17.24 | Stummi | systemctl |
| 09:17.34 | Stummi | or service |
| 09:17.40 | Stummi | depending on your init |
| 09:17.58 | fcp14 | hello, i tryng to apt-get update, apt-get upgrade and i have a msg with return error code http://paste.debian.net/255540/ |
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| 09:18.19 | TyrfingMjolnir | In which package is blkid ? |
| 09:18.34 | Stummi | Otyugh, you need root access on the remote machine to set an arbritary UID and GID on a file though |
| 09:18.43 | Otyugh | Stummi: I don't have the same UID/GUID. Can I put something like "if it's coming from computer X, set UID/GUID to Y" ? |
| 09:18.52 | Stummi | no |
| 09:18.59 | Stummi | at least no way I know of |
| 09:19.09 | Otyugh | Well I just thought of a way |
| 09:19.11 | Otyugh | but I'm unsure |
| 09:19.16 | Otyugh | :( |
| 09:19.36 | Stummi | I would check the rsyncs manpage, if it knows of a way to send the names for user and group instead of the id and let it resolve by the remote side or something |
| 09:19.39 | Otyugh | I guess I'll be using nobody:nogroup for now then |
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| 09:20.10 | Stummi | Otyugh, if its just for a backup its perfectly fine to just keep the UID and GID |
| 09:20.29 | Stummi | since you don't anything with the files on remote side. When you apply the backup back to your machine, the IDs are correct again |
| 09:21.05 | Otyugh | I'll have to check about that |
| 09:21.17 | guardian | Stummi: thank you |
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| 09:23.52 | Otyugh | Stummi: By default, rsync uses literal UIDs and GIDs if it can find matches in both the source and the destination. |
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| 09:37.33 | mpink | hi |
| 09:37.37 | chalcedony | how do i locate files on my hard drive.. there should be a tb of stuff somewhere? |
| 09:37.48 | chalcedony | hi mpink |
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| 09:38.54 | mpink | I tried to install php: apt-get install libapache2-mod-php5. it runs fine, but phpinfo(); doesn't produce the desired output |
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| 09:39.16 | at0m|c | chalcedony: if you know the filenames, man find. du is for disk usage and shows how much a tree uses |
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| 09:39.36 | Zumochi | mpink: did you enable the module? |
| 09:39.48 | chalcedony | at0m|c, thank you checking |
| 09:40.00 | Zumochi | mpink: sudo a2enmod php5 |
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| 09:40.30 | Equa | mpink: what output do you desire? |
| 09:40.35 | mpink | Zumochi, it says: apache2_invoke: Enable module php5 so I expected |
| 09:40.54 | mpink | Equa, different than <? phpinfo(); ?> |
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| 09:41.11 | Zumochi | mpink: do you see a symlink called "php5" or similar in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled ? |
| 09:41.12 | Equa | mpink: is it showing up anythign at all? |
| 09:41.36 | Equa | Zumochi: debian enables modules as soon as you install them for apache |
| 09:41.51 | mpink | Zumochi, yes, php5.load and ini are there |
| 09:42.03 | mpink | Equa, it show the source of the php file |
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| 09:42.35 | Zumochi | Equa: I've had sometimes where it didn't :s |
| 09:42.54 | Equa | mpink: restart the apache service |
| 09:43.15 | mpink | Zumochi, it says, Module php5 already enabled |
| 09:43.20 | Zumochi | Okay |
| 09:43.21 | mpink | Equa, did that several times |
| 09:43.40 | Equa | mpink: systemctl restart apache2.service |
| 09:44.09 | chalcedony | at0m|c, i definitely don't see it. this is a new 2 tb drive, apparently i copied a previous drive's contents to it, a year ago, ls doesn't show it, and du doesn't show it. |
| 09:44.09 | mpink | /var/log/apache2/error.log reveals nothing which could lead to a source |
| 09:44.17 | Zumochi | mpink: does the filename of the file containing <? phpinfo(); ?> end with .php ? |
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| 09:44.35 | mpink | Equa, same as before |
| 09:44.41 | mpink | Zumochi, yes: info.php |
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| 09:46.00 | Zumochi | mpink: does pvp -v output anything? (From the console) |
| 09:46.05 | Equa | oh |
| 09:46.20 | Equa | mpink do <?php instead |
| 09:46.38 | mpink | Zumochi, version and Zend stuff |
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| 09:47.11 | mpink | Equa, yes, there we go ... shame on me |
| 09:47.24 | mpink | Zumochi, Equa thanks for your time |
| 09:47.29 | Zumochi | Hmm good point. Maybe short_open_tag is set to false in php.ini ? |
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| 09:47.37 | Equa | mpink: yeah i remember having that same problem long ago |
| 09:47.52 | Equa | it's good to use the standard tag anyway |
| 09:48.01 | helplease | Hi all, Can someone help me?,I cant login as root, I already edited the sshd_config, changing PermitRootLogin to yes, I also removed all iptables rules, but still I cant login as root |
| 09:48.16 | helplease | also,i restarted the sshd of course |
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| 09:50.34 | Equa | helplease: can you login as root at the terminal? |
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| 09:51.23 | helplease | Equa, I can ssh as another user,then do su, thats what I want but in order to install R1SOFT i need ssh as root for a bit |
| 09:51.39 | Equa | helplease: just verifying your root acct |
| 09:51.59 | helplease | I did,of course,I can do su |
| 09:52.06 | Zumochi | helplease: is AllowGroups, AllowUsers, DenyGroups or DenyUsers set in nsshd_config? |
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| 09:53.05 | helplease | well, I only have "AllowUsers username git" ,but no AllowGroups or Deny Groups or Users |
| 09:53.20 | helplease | should I add root to "AllowUsers root git"? |
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| 09:54.58 | helplease | Zumochi, great,I did and worked, thank you very much,to yo too Equa |
| 09:55.22 | Zumochi | :) |
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| 09:55.45 | Zumochi | helplease: if you have any users/groups defined under AllowUsers, every other user is denied access to the sshd |
| 09:56.45 | helplease | thank you |
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| 10:18.09 | fyuza21 | hello. if i logout the user from e.g. gnome session i can see the vt/boot text for a few seconds. this happens if grub has the option splash set. how to get a seemless logout without seeing this boot text/the vt? using debian jessie |
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| 10:20.35 | fyuza21 | graphics card is intel hd |
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| 10:29.19 | Otyugh | Stummi: would you mind showming me a valid /etc/exportfs config that preseves UID/GID ? I only get "nobody:nogroup" even when I removed all_squash. I don't understand ;..; |
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| 10:34.36 | ChrisH | Otyugh: NFS V4 or V3? most probably remount with vers=3 would bring you back :) |
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| 10:37.20 | fhare | Hi, doen someone know if there is any easy way to change the group of a partition like /dev/sda5 permanently? |
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| 10:39.11 | arpc | Is there a way to pipe syslog messages to different files according to the hostname? Using udp syslog server |
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| 10:42.11 | yohanna | initializing a server with debian 8 takes an hour, 1and1 says in their docs. |
| 10:42.18 | yohanna | what is happening in that hour? |
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| 10:42.38 | yohanna | i mean, they probably copy over a disk image and don't do a real install, right? |
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| 10:44.54 | ChrisH | arpc: search for syslog-ng |
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| 10:46.39 | arpc | Ah nvm, had a typo in my syslog config /ver instaid of /var derp |
| 10:46.51 | arpc | and ChrisH using rsyslog why switch to rsyslog-ng? |
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| 10:51.09 | ChrisH | arpc: You asked for that functionality and syslog-ng has it. |
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| 10:53.05 | AuroraX | Guys, I am having a problem with IPTABLES which I report here because it is easier to read shell outputs (http://unix.stackexchange.com/q/211458/120522). What am I missing? |
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| 10:57.34 | Equa | AuroraX: do iptables -L -t nat to see if the chain is in there |
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| 10:58.22 | arpc | ChrisH: syslog also has it :P |
| 10:58.26 | helplease | Well...I would like to ask about iptables too...obviously im using debian,I did iptables --flush but using "service iptable restart" doesnt recognizes the service. |
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| 10:58.30 | AuroraX | Equa, http://pastebin.com/PvE6suQA |
| 10:58.53 | AuroraX | I dont know how to interpret this |
| 10:58.58 | arpc | helplease: why would you need to restart iptables? |
| 10:59.14 | helplease | arpc, i did --flush to disable the rules temporally |
| 10:59.28 | arpc | helplease: all rule changes take effect immidiately |
| 10:59.33 | arpc | no restart necessary |
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| 11:00.13 | arpc | helplease: run iptables -L -vn to check the current rules |
| 11:00.23 | helplease | I dont understand arpc ,sorry, I did --flush, then now I do iptables -L and I dont see the rules I had before flushing |
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| 11:00.56 | AuroraX | I dunno, I just want to redirect port 80 to 8090, I never used iptables before. I though this was simple to do in linux |
| 11:01.08 | arpc | helplease: oh you flushed and want the rules back... |
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| 11:01.36 | arpc | helplease: are you using iptables persistent? |
| 11:01.42 | Equa | AuroraX: your command is correct. I'm able to do it on my system. |
| 11:01.52 | helplease | arpc, I was,yes |
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| 11:02.50 | arpc | helplease: iptables-restore < /etc/iptables/rules.v4 for ipv4 |
| 11:03.14 | helplease | AuroraX, iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port 8090 |
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| 11:04.17 | helplease | arpc, it seems I even have not the iptables directory inside /etc/ |
| 11:04.24 | AuroraX | helplease, iptables: No chain/target/match by that name. |
| 11:04.26 | Equa | he did an ifconfig and his device is eth1 |
| 11:04.38 | AuroraX | yes, it is eth1 |
| 11:04.52 | helplease | AuroraX, iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth1 -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port 8090 |
| 11:04.58 | AuroraX | but even correcting eth0 to eth1 the error is the same |
| 11:05.18 | Equa | the problem is it's not seeing the PREROUTING chain in his nat table |
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| 11:05.20 | helplease | rare, I really took the answer from stackoverflow AuroraX |
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| 11:05.24 | Equa | it's listed there though |
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| 11:06.30 | arpc | helplease: huh, thats where iptables-persistent saves the rules, on redhat its in /etc/sysconfig no idea |
| 11:06.38 | AuroraX | other people say I have no modules |
| 11:06.51 | AuroraX | lsmod returns this: |
| 11:06.54 | AuroraX | root@psbm-ptc01b05:~# lsmod |
| 11:06.54 | AuroraX | Module Size Used by |
| 11:06.54 | AuroraX | root@psbm-ptc01b05:~# |
| 11:07.30 | helplease | arpc, and if it wasnt persistent,can I restore it after flushing? |
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| 11:08.22 | arpc | helplease: no, flushing purges all the rules without saving unless it has saved it somewhere or you run iptables-save manually, you cant get em back |
| 11:08.57 | helplease | shit |
| 11:08.59 | helplease | ok,thank you |
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| 11:09.42 | Equa | AuroraX: lsmod | grep -E "ip" |
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| 11:09.56 | arpc | helplease: when you set em up again check if the package iptables-persistent is installed if not install it |
| 11:09.58 | Equa | see if iptable_nat is loaded |
| 11:10.26 | helplease | thank you arpc ill install it now |
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| 11:22.28 | AuroraX | I have to go guys, if you know something new try to answer in stackexchange plz. Thanks! |
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| 11:31.49 | yohanna | On 1and1, initializing a server with debian 8 takes an hour they say. What are they doing in that hour? Don't they just copy a disk image onto the machine? |
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| 11:39.04 | arpc | Why is cifs-utils recommending samba? I dont need the entire server for every pc that needs to access cifs |
| 11:41.43 | arpc | ... and bind9 |
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| 11:45.17 | ksk_ | arpc: you dont need to install recommends |
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| 11:45.26 | ksk_ | --without-recommends or something like that is the switch |
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| 11:45.50 | AlwaysHigh | Hey i just created a user but its calling proccesses vai its id not username |
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| 11:46.09 | AlwaysHigh | while my other user is displayed at username not id |
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| 11:46.34 | ksk | AlwaysHigh: please what? |
| 11:46.51 | SirLagz | AlwaysHigh: log out and back in and check again? |
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| 11:48.11 | AlwaysHigh | stilt here |
| 11:48.20 | AlwaysHigh | would it matter if i used adduser over useradd? |
| 11:48.27 | AlwaysHigh | only thing i did do differently |
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| 11:50.07 | Iridos | AlwaysHigh, it would, but not for this |
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| 11:54.47 | Nindustries | Hi, anyone here ever used pogoplugfs ? |
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| 11:55.52 | arpc | ksk: yeah, but its a mess when using config management/other automatic installation methods |
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| 11:58.03 | Iridos | dpkg, anyone use pogoplugfs |
| 11:58.03 | dpkg | No, no one uses pogoplugfs, not even the people who use it. |
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| 11:58.52 | Nindustries | dpkg -s |
| 11:58.52 | dpkg | Nindustries: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
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| 11:59.29 | Nindustries | the -s of silence ;-) No seriously, I'm looking at mounting big cloud storage |
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| 11:59.59 | Iridos | big cloud storage on your pogoplug? |
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| 12:00.11 | Iridos | sounds realistic! |
| 12:00.21 | Nindustries | Nah, it mounts storage from pogoplug |
| 12:00.28 | Nindustries | on a linux machine |
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| 12:01.45 | JohnDoe1972 | hey guys |
| 12:01.55 | Iridos | Nindustries, you can just use sshfs |
| 12:02.05 | JohnDoe1972 | can someone help me format a partition on a multi boot system ? |
| 12:02.15 | JohnDoe1972 | ime using grub 2 |
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| 12:02.31 | JohnDoe1972 | and want to reinstall win 7 on xp partition |
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| 12:03.09 | Nindustries | Iridos: sure, webdav would be even better.. but pogoplug does not offer sshfs access. |
| 12:03.21 | Nindustries | pogoplugfs is delivered by them |
| 12:03.31 | Nindustries | FYI, this has nothing to do with the shitty NAS they sell |
| 12:05.07 | JohnDoe1972 | :/ anyoine ? |
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| 12:06.20 | bazhang | #grub JohnDoe1972 |
| 12:06.29 | Nindustries | livedrive has webdav access apparently, but it requires a credit card for the trial period.. |
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| 12:12.19 | DarsVaeda | hi, I#m missing korean letters what do I have to install? I'm on jessie |
| 12:12.32 | Nindustries | nvm, livedrive is 5TB |
| 12:12.40 | esr | leave |
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| 12:16.15 | Nindustries | Monstercloud is another possibility, offers webdav access |
| 12:16.17 | Walex2 | DarsVaeda: presumbly one of the several korean font packages? |
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| 12:17.37 | DarsVaeda | Walex2, yeah problem is there are like a million suggestions which one |
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| 12:19.24 | Walex2 | DarsVaeda: no idea, not a Korean/Hangul speaker or writer. But I have seen Baekmuk used by default in a few places |
| 12:19.34 | bazhang | ,v ibus-hangul |
| 12:19.35 | judd | Package: ibus-hangul on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.3.0.20100329-1; wheezy: 1.4.1-1+deb7u1; stretch: 1.5.0-1; jessie: 1.5.0-1; sid: 1.5.0-1 |
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| 12:21.29 | l3archos | when I want "apt-get purge foo" it says, that the package "bar" is also bein uninstalled. I want to prevent this, because I know that afterwards I will do "apt-get install foo" again, so the dependency hopefully still will remain valid. Can I tell "apt-get" to remove only "foo" and keep "bar" installed ? |
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| 12:22.26 | DarsVaeda | ok thx Walex2 |
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| 12:22.55 | themill | l3archos: no, it's apt's job to not do that. You can force dpkg to do this though. |
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| 12:24.55 | l3archos | themill: how ? |
| 12:25.26 | l3archos | themill: "dpkg -P foo" is not enough, how can I do that? |
| 12:25.35 | themill | l3archos: dpkg --purge --force-depends __; this is only suitable for a temporary uninstallation as you say |
| 12:27.11 | l3archos | and when I do "man dpkg" and then search for a word "searchpattern" when this pattern is found, I don't see it highlighted any more. That happened after I upgraded from Wheezy to Jessie. How can I troubleshoot and fix that? |
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| 12:27.43 | Iridos | I start wondering if something like apt-get --purge --reinstall install inkscape would work |
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| 12:28.17 | Iridos | maybe aptitude --purge reinstall <package> |
| 12:28.22 | l3archos | themill: I did run "dpkg --purge --force-depends php5" but the directory with all its content /etc/php5 still is there. |
| 12:28.24 | Iridos | doesn't seem so |
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| 12:28.49 | themill | l3archos: probably not the right package |
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| 12:28.57 | l3archos | themill: ? |
| 12:29.36 | Iridos | l3archos, php-common php5-cli and libapache2-mod-php5 all have files in /etc/php5 ... probably some others |
| 12:29.38 | themill | l3archos: that directory is not in the php5 package. dpkg -S /etc/php5 |
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| 12:30.20 | l3archos | themill: oh ok. Can you tell me what I need to do for fixing "man foo" command, so my search patterns are highlighted ? |
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| 12:32.04 | themill | sounds like a poorly configured TERM |
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| 12:33.38 | l3archos | that means ? |
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| 12:47.51 | argoneus | hello |
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| 12:48.07 | argoneus | me and my friend have rented a server that will host some game servers, so far it has the accounts "argoneus" "myfriend" and "gameserver", you can ssh only to "argoneus" and "myfriend" and need to su to "gameserver", thing is, when we su to that, we can't open/reattach screen, it says "cannot open /dev/pts/6" for example, how do you guys usually solve this? |
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| 12:49.08 | tugrik | I usually ssh gameserver@localhost - but I suspect that's a kludgey workaround and there's a proper way to fix that ;) |
| 12:49.17 | bezaban | argoneus: did you try 'su -'? |
| 12:49.23 | bezaban | su - <user> |
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| 12:49.44 | argoneus | bezaban: still doesn't work |
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| 12:50.06 | bezaban | so much for the quickfix |
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| 12:50.19 | argoneus | I found something that worked |
| 12:50.28 | argoneus | you need to write script /dev/null and then screen works, but I'm not sure how that works |
| 12:50.33 | argoneus | and it's probably not the "correct" solution |
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| 12:52.37 | bezaban | argoneus: a more tidy approach would be to use the screen multiuser support, or perhaps it's better in tmux |
| 12:52.43 | planetmaker | argoneus, you could alternatively directly ssh to 'gameserver' when you put both, yours and your friends ssh key (or better newer, different ssh keys) into its .ssh dir |
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| 12:53.07 | planetmaker | and then use a screen for that user, or tmux like suggested ^ |
| 12:53.19 | bezaban | not quite sure what script /dev/null does |
| 12:53.40 | argoneus | is it possible to say that you can password auth for this and this account, but can only ssh with a key to a different one? |
| 12:53.47 | bezaban | or rather I do, but not what it does to fix it |
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| 12:53.50 | argoneus | that or su that is |
| 12:54.23 | bezaban | you can enforce password and key auth on certain accounts yeah |
| 12:54.59 | bezaban | or at least I thought so, I've found that sshd is pretty configurable |
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| 12:57.31 | planetmaker | http://serverfault.com/questions/387121/restrict-password-based-ssh-access-per-user-but-allow-key-authentication |
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| 12:58.32 | argoneus | nice |
| 12:58.35 | argoneus | thanks! |
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| 13:01.42 | cwickert | Hi, how can I figure out what packages tasksel installs when I select "Standard system tools" during the installation? I know I can run tasksel --task-packages, but I'm im in the installer and don't have another Debian instance handy |
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| 13:03.18 | l3archos | why does "man foo" use the less command and when I search for a pattern the hit is not highlighted ? |
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| 13:11.52 | no_gravity | Is there a good gparted alternative for the shell? |
| 13:12.25 | bogus- | cfdisk? |
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| 13:12.55 | no_gravity | yes, that looks good |
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| 13:16.06 | cwickert | allizom: thanks, you can use fpaste.org or similar |
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| 13:17.27 | allizom | cwickert: did you get it up to xz-utils? |
| 13:18.10 | cwickert | allizom: no, you were kicked at bash-completion already :) that's why I suggested you use fpaste.org and then give me the URL |
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| 13:18.20 | yogg | Hi |
| 13:18.39 | allizom | there it goes: https://paste.debian.net/plain/256155 |
| 13:19.24 | yogg | I buld my own package. What is the best practice to move already existing files away? dpkg-divert? |
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| 13:28.08 | l3archos | why does "man foo" use the less command and when I search for a pattern the hit is not highlighted ? can anyone give me a hint how to solve that, please ? |
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| 13:29.39 | cwickert | allizom: thank you so much, I really appreciate your help! |
| 13:29.43 | Iridos | l3archos, perhaps you're using a broken terminal or so |
| 13:30.06 | jaybe | l3archos, works by default out of box; something is affecting your terminal capabilities |
| 13:30.22 | l3archos | certainly, but how do I fix it ? |
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| 13:30.26 | Iridos | l3archos, »echo $TERM« should return "xterm" |
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| 13:30.46 | Iridos | l3archos, also... have you tried if "man man | less" gives you the same behavior? |
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| 13:31.38 | allizom | cwickert: yw. I've had this problem too :) |
| 13:31.48 | l3archos | jaybe: Iridos: but why does "echo $TERM" shows me "screen" as result whereas I am NOT using screen ? I am using tmux by the way. When I quit my tmux session and do "echo $TERM" I get "xterm" as result and there "man foo" works fine with highlighting |
| 13:32.41 | l3archos | Iridos: when in tmux session and I do "export TERM=xterm" then the highlighting works. The question is: WHY and WHERE did Wheezy-->Jessie upgrade change my term ?? |
| 13:35.29 | l3archos | file /etc/environment is empty and ~/.bashrc does not contain anything with "screen" or "term". Also the global /etc/bash.bashrc doesn't contain any word "screen" |
| 13:35.36 | no_gravity | Every "apt-get install" i do gives me "Can't set locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct!". Any idea what that means or if I should do something because of it? |
| 13:35.53 | p8m | l3archos: For tmux you will use TERM=screen or TERM=screen-256color even if you aren't using screen |
| 13:36.28 | l3archos | p8m: that's what I always used and actually am using. But within tmux and TERM=screen I don't get highlighting the search pattern when using "man foo" command |
| 13:37.08 | l3archos | no_gravity: run "dpkg-reconfigure locales" |
| 13:38.11 | l3archos | p8m: I am facing that issue on three other Jessie machines. After upgrading from Wheezy to Jessie, this issue appeared in tmux sessions. I'd like to understand and know where the evil has its root |
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| 13:38.38 | no_gravity | l3archos: what will that do? |
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| 13:39.09 | l3archos | no_gravity: set your locales (you can display your actual locale with command "locale") |
| 13:39.13 | p8m | l3archos: Are you using the same dot-files on each machine? If you create a new user without any of your personal config does it still do that? |
| 13:39.23 | no_gravity | l3archos: hmm... |
| 13:39.41 | Iridos | l3archos, tmux and screen are very similar programs? not suprising they use the same $TERM |
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| 13:40.00 | l3archos | p8m: as I said, the issue appeared AFTER I upgraded to Jessie, and during the upgrade process I told the installation procedure NOT to overwrite my existing /etc/bash.bashrc and thus keeping it |
| 13:40.15 | l3archos | Iridos: and? |
| 13:40.31 | Iridos | nuffin |
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| 13:40.41 | l3archos | muffin |
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| 13:41.23 | themill | highlighting with "TERM=screen man man" works just fine here |
| 13:41.26 | Iridos | l3archos, but yes... manpages in tmux/screen do give me highlighting on wheezy |
| 13:41.39 | Iridos | with TERM=screen |
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| 13:42.45 | p8m | l3archos: I understand that but highlighting find works fine for me on multiple machines so it might be a problem with your config files in $HOME |
| 13:43.58 | l3archos | Iridos: that's why I am looking for the culprit. |
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| 13:44.45 | hellyeah | is there a software that reports cpu temp on debian? |
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| 13:47.04 | p8m | hellyeah: There are a few. "acpi" is a simple cli one. Call it with "acpi -t" |
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| 13:47.44 | p8m | hellyeah: If you're using a desktop environment it probably has one you can use |
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| 13:49.02 | hellyeah | well it is 59c |
| 13:49.05 | hellyeah | fair enough |
| 13:49.11 | hellyeah | in windows it is like 79C |
| 13:49.16 | hellyeah | i dont know the reason |
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| 13:50.11 | l3archos | ... |
| 13:50.26 | p8m | hellyeah: ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
| 13:50.33 | l3archos | by the way: what is the difference between variable name "$EUID" and "${EUID}" in Bash ? |
| 13:50.51 | hellyeah | p8m: this looks cute |
| 13:50.52 | hellyeah | :D |
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| 13:58.09 | RayzrShrp | does anybody know why apache2 is reloading itself everyday? is this some maintenance cron that debian 8 has setup? |
| 13:58.37 | ksk | RayzrShrp: logrotate.. |
| 13:58.59 | ksk | its probably just a reload I would think |
| 13:58.59 | RayzrShrp | ksk: so logrotate is restarting apache2? |
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| 14:00.02 | ksk | take a look at /etc/logrotate.d/apache - its reloads apache |
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| 14:05.29 | karlpinc | l3archos: One can be imbedded in other text and the other may not, depending. |
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| 14:11.02 | hac3ru | Ok. I'm back. |
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| 14:11.33 | hac3ru | Stop me if I'm wrong here but... |
| 14:11.33 | hac3ru | You create the bridged adapter, you assign the ethernet adapters to the bridge and that's it. RIght? |
| 14:11.33 | hac3ru | And of course, you enable ipv4.ip_forwarding |
| 14:11.51 | hac3ru | Am I missing something here, guys? |
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| 14:13.39 | hac3ru | Anyone any ideas? |
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| 14:16.06 | soundtoxin | I'm using livestreamer to play a youtube video in best quality in mpv and it consistently closes at the same part in under 10 seconds. Any idea why this is happening? |
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| 14:16.43 | soundtoxin | looking at my term it's just saying the stream ended without any obvious errors. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4202804/screenshots/2015-06-23-091622_482x133_scrot.png |
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| 14:17.46 | soundtoxin | hm it doesn't happen with vlc so must be an mpv setting |
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| 14:24.22 | jdennis1 | I have 2 very basic scripts that can make it happen |
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| 14:46.29 | itry | Is adding a line to /etc/crontab enought to have it executed or do I have to trigger re-reading of /etc/crontab somehow? |
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| 14:49.13 | itry | oh, looks like it gets executed right away |
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| 14:51.51 | Iridos | jdennis1, there's the "reportbug" program in debian... you can use that, and you have to decide which package to assign it to. Bug reports can get forwarded to upstream by the maintainers (i.e. php.net). you could of course also report it upstream (php.net) directly... I think then it'd still be useful if you opened a debian bug report that points to that bug so that it's clear that it occurs in debian stable. |
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| 14:54.04 | Iridos | jdennis1, mind that things might not get fixed in debian-stable anytime soon... that is because any debian stable sees very few changes... specifically, no new versions of any software go into stable... so for examples if upstream fixes the bug for a newer version, someone would have to backport the fix to the version currently in stable (the reasoning behind this is that stable should stay *stable*, i.e. unchanging... while new software-versions always in |
| 14:54.04 | Iridos | troduce new bugs) |
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| 14:54.33 | Iridos | that has the advantage that the set of bugs that are in stable stays constant... so if you fix or work around them, they stay fixed |
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| 15:02.39 | awefoijawef | hi |
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| 15:03.01 | fossrox | Guys, when I'm trying to use ping from one of boxes with jessie, I'm getting "ping: icmp open socket: Operation not permitted". It's a fairly fresh install with iptables flushed at the time of executing the ping command. Does anybody know what is causing it? |
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| 15:03.51 | vamps | fossrox: ls -l /bin/ping |
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| 15:04.33 | fossrox | vamps: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 44104 Nov 8 2014 /bin/ping |
| 15:04.50 | jelly | fossrox: is this a VPS or container of some sort? |
| 15:04.58 | fossrox | a VPS |
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| 15:05.15 | vamps | fossrox: there is no setuid (+s) on the file |
| 15:05.18 | fossrox | And seems that only root can trigger the ping successfully. |
| 15:05.27 | Azrael_- | hi |
| 15:05.46 | fossrox | vamps: I've read about it but I wonder why us that? |
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| 15:05.56 | jelly | fossrox: lsattr /bin/ping |
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| 15:06.14 | fossrox | jelly: -------------e-- /bin/ping |
| 15:06.37 | fossrox | vamps: s/us/is |
| 15:06.46 | jelly | that's fine, and also I asked you the wrong thing. Lemme think |
| 15:07.30 | jelly | fossrox: ah. getcap /bin/ping |
| 15:07.39 | vamps | fossrox: the program needs it because ping is using raw sockets |
| 15:07.51 | jelly | fossrox: should be /bin/ping = cap_net_raw+ep |
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| 15:08.43 | fossrox | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:09.38 | vamps | fossrox: sudo setcap cap_net_raw=ep /bin/ping |
| 15:09.48 | jelly | fossrox: libcap2-bin package |
| 15:10.00 | jelly | vamps: no, I want to see the current state first. |
| 15:10.14 | vamps | ok :p |
| 15:10.32 | vamps | sorry |
| 15:10.44 | fossrox | jelly: thanks, couldn't find anything with apt's search |
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| 15:10.47 | jelly | attempting to fix something without knowing the cause is somewhat silly |
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| 15:11.16 | fossrox | jelly: libcap2-bin is already the newest version .... |
| 15:11.26 | jelly | fossrox: which debian release is this? |
| 15:11.31 | fossrox | jessie |
| 15:11.44 | jelly | fossrox: /sbin/getcap, probably no /sbin in path |
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| 15:13.34 | fossrox | jelly: ok, seems the the getcap is there as you thought, but there is no result for /sbin/getcap /bin/ping what so ever, I just get next prompt |
| 15:13.48 | jelly | fossrox: even as root? |
| 15:13.54 | fossrox | checking.. |
| 15:14.11 | fossrox | jelly: yes, even as root |
| 15:14.14 | jelly | that means something removed the capabilities, and that's why ping doesn't work as user |
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| 15:14.31 | fossrox | hmmm... |
| 15:14.57 | jelly | fossrox: run dpkg-reconfigure iputils-ping |
| 15:15.13 | knivsta | hi |
| 15:15.14 | jelly | and try getcap again |
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| 15:16.08 | fossrox | jelly: with dpkg-reconfigure, I've got result: Setcap worked! Ping(6) is not suid! |
| 15:16.46 | fossrox | jelly: and after running getcap now it echos /bin/ping = cap_net_raw+ep :) |
| 15:17.02 | jelly | good, ping ought to work again as user now |
| 15:17.53 | fossrox | jelly: it does, thank you both very much :) |
| 15:18.09 | jelly | now you "just" need to figure out what removed it |
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| 15:19.20 | jelly | if some unusual file-based installation method was used, it's possible linux capabilities were just lost |
| 15:19.47 | fossrox | jelly: it's pretty fresh install, just sshd, nginx, and added iptables rules, cannot recall anything else... |
| 15:19.48 | jelly | (ie. unpacking the system from a ready-made tarball) |
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| 15:20.43 | baryha | ! Raa Lynx games, and you know its football game. Lowers ram against each other, the Super Bowl, everything but thing but this stupid football. After they go boyer! |
| 15:20.51 | baryha | Stop lawyyer moyer royer coyer moyer! Brucesht, boyer and that's a fuckers, Cornhuskers, Cornhuskers, Cornbuck fuck cornhusk. Fuck fuckers, Cornfuck buck cornhuskers, Cornhusk. Husk Husk, cornbuck. |
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| 15:21.16 | fossrox | jelly: if so, then the it must have been done by the vps provider when installed it, cannot really think about anything else atm... |
| 15:21.47 | jelly | fossrox: might be worth telling them about it, it's likely all their jessie installs have the same breakage... |
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| 15:23.14 | fossrox | i will do, thanks one more, if there will be anything interesting to this case I will get back with news |
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| 15:29.31 | CQ | hello, how can it be that a PING on a hostname works, but a WGET returns a wget: unable to resolve host address `blog.oraylis.de' ? |
| 15:31.04 | CQ | nvm, something weird with the DNS server |
| 15:31.31 | CQ | google servers work fine |
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| 15:37.46 | Iridos | jelly, jessie uses capabilities on ping instead of suid? |
| 15:38.01 | jelly | yus |
| 15:38.32 | jelly | how dare they use technology a mere decade or two old?!? |
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| 15:42.14 | teclo- | hi, what's the uhhhh "default graphical editor" in Cinnamon ? |
| 15:42.54 | SynrG | $ aptitude why gedit |
| 15:42.54 | SynrG | i cinnamon-desktop-environment Depends gedit |
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| 15:42.58 | SynrG | apparently gedit :) |
| 15:43.08 | SynrG | (yay, got it on my first guess) |
| 15:43.36 | Iridos | there might be more than one! |
| 15:44.00 | SynrG | Iridos: ok, clever boy. tell me another one |
| 15:44.32 | teclo- | SynrG: indeed, thank you |
| 15:44.40 | Iridos | still on wheezy... which doesn't even seem to have cinnamon |
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| 15:45.14 | SynrG | Iridos: spice up your life and upgrade? |
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| 15:45.30 | Iridos | yeeeahh..... |
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| 15:46.07 | jelly | did a partial upgrade from squeeze... Socket.pm for now. One thing at a time. |
| 15:46.10 | Iridos | I just fear something might go wrong and I'd have to rely on the TSM backup at work ... or the pray-nothing-happens backup at home |
| 15:46.16 | teclo- | yeah I just installed 8.1 and cinnamon is great |
| 15:46.30 | teclo- | except I still can't find where to configure the screensaver |
| 15:46.59 | SynrG | i'm ahead on cinnamon 2.6 on sid, so i'm probably no help there :/ |
| 15:47.07 | jelly | teclo-: xscreensaver-command -prefs ? |
| 15:47.32 | teclo- | jelly: ah, Cinnamon uses jwz's xscreensaver |
| 15:47.46 | jelly | only trusts jwz not to mess up security of the lock screen |
| 15:48.27 | teclo- | dpkg -L cinnamon-screensaver | grep bin |
| 15:48.28 | dpkg | No packages found matching cinnamon-screensaver | grep bin |
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| 15:48.40 | teclo- | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:48.44 | teclo- | ah gonna try that |
| 15:48.47 | jelly | wut |
| 15:49.01 | SynrG | forked? |
| 15:49.30 | teclo- | I don't know if cinnamon screensaver forked |
| 15:49.38 | teclo- | However, everybody wanna fork |
| 15:50.14 | teclo- | ** (cinnamon-screensaver:1634): WARNING **: screensaver already running in this session |
| 15:50.19 | teclo- | hm.... now what ? |
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| 15:51.28 | SynrG | er? you started a second cinnamon-screensaver? |
| 15:51.44 | teclo- | SynrG: well since I can't seem to find where to configure it |
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| 15:51.55 | jelly | teclo-: ps -fe |grep screensaver says what? |
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| 15:52.36 | SynrG | teclo-: well, Preferences > Screensaver in cinnamon 2.6 :P |
| 15:52.37 | teclo- | well cinnamon-screensaver |
| 15:52.41 | teclo- | is running |
| 15:53.07 | teclo- | there's also python /usr/share/cinnamon/cinnamon-settings/cinnamon-settings.py screensaver |
| 15:53.20 | Iridos | fascinating... now that you mention it, I have a 2nd disk that I could put a quick-access backup to.. apparently I did luksformat -t ext4 /dev/sdb1 on it |
| 15:53.24 | teclo- | I can see it |
| 15:53.31 | jdahm | Running debian jessie on my laptop now and noticed there's a cron job running 'find' once or multiple times a day that takes 100% of my tiny laptop's cpu making it cry for quite a while. Is this really necessary? Can I safely remove it? |
| 15:54.02 | Iridos | a) I have no idea how to mount that and b) my regular / is also luks/lvm... and it seems kind of miraculous that it's being mounted from fstab |
| 15:54.08 | Iridos | the installer did it! |
| 15:54.13 | teclo- | ah, now I see the configuration dialog, but I can only choose to enable the screensaver, not choose the graphical stuff |
| 15:54.24 | SynrG | teclo-: you could ask #debian-cinnamon @ irc.oftc.net. i'm at a loss ... |
| 15:54.39 | teclo- | SynrG: ah ok :) |
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| 15:59.59 | Iridos | yaym, figured it out |
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| 16:00.28 | Iridos | SynrG, ha... and /, home and boot all fit on the extra drive... I guess I don't have the excuse anymore |
| 16:00.57 | Iridos | oh wait, they don't |
| 16:01.25 | PryMar56 | jdahm, its the mlocate cron job, which rebuilds the db |
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| 16:03.09 | jdahm | PryMar56: I used to run archlinux on my laptop and that didn't automatically have that. I think it's so bad for me because I'm adding btrfs snapshots like every day, so it might think it needs to achive that. Can I tell mlocate to skip a directory? |
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| 16:06.16 | jdahm | PryMar56: ok disabled /snapshots for now, I'll see how this works for a few days |
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| 16:15.58 | itry | Is fail2ban still the way to go on Debian 8? |
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| 16:19.31 | jelly | itry: for what purpose? |
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| 16:21.44 | itry | jelly: keep out misbehaving clients. like bots brute forcing ssh access or spiders spidering too aggressive. |
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| 16:22.41 | jelly | itry: it's still a good deterrent for ssh service bruteforcing. web services may have better or different application-level firewalls (mod_security) |
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| 16:23.50 | itry | what i like about fail2ban is that i can ban an ip from all ports if it misbehaves on one port. |
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| 16:35.33 | hariom | Is it possible to export aws instance to run locally or for local backup? I have tried AWS CLI tools but getting this error: Client.NotExportable |
| 16:35.56 | jelly | hariom: that... doesn't sound like a question for Debian people |
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| 16:36.32 | crashev | hello,I used debian but finished installing only base system as I was not able to do advanced network configuration, after booting to base install how can I continue installation from there ? |
| 16:36.42 | hariom | jelly: Yea, not a direct question for debian but I think lots of debian people will be using aws and might have come across this issue |
| 16:37.35 | jelly | lots of Debian people drive cars, and we still don't cater to carburetor queries here :-| |
| 16:38.11 | jelly | hariom: ##aws is right next door |
| 16:38.23 | hariom | jelly: I see. Thanks |
| 16:38.40 | jelly | How did I find it, you ask? /msg alis list *aws* |
| 16:39.12 | hariom | jelly: wonderful. Thanks jelly. This is going to be very handy now |
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| 16:46.17 | dimitry7 | Hi guys! How can I take advantage of this in Jessie: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=EXT4-Changes-Linux-4.1 |
| 16:46.24 | dimitry7 | may that be done without re-installing? |
| 16:46.27 | dimitry7 | Thanks!! |
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| 16:50.59 | jhutchins | ,kernels |
| 16:51.00 | judd | Available kernel versions are: sid: 4.0.0-2-686-pae (4.0.5-1); stretch: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt9-2); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt11-1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.7-ckt11-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.68-1+deb7u2) |
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| 16:52.42 | jhutchins | dimitry7: I would guess that you could implement a new filesystem with encryption when the 4.1 kernel hits Debian, but it will probably take a while before the tools to encrypt an existing filesystem won't be comfortable for quite a while. |
| 16:52.54 | jelly | dimitry7: it won't be available in jessie. However, the updated kernel may soon land in sid and you'll have to pick some new userspace bits yourself (recent enough e2fsprogs, and who knows what else) as well. |
| 16:53.16 | jhutchins | dimitry7: One of the steps in creating an encrypted partition now is to zero out all data in the partition. |
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| 16:53.37 | jelly | jhutchins: this is filesystem-based encryption, not block-device level |
| 16:54.17 | jelly | jhutchins: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ft26lUQyuSpiu6VleP70_npaWdRfXFoNnB8JYnykNTg/edit#heading=h.9e2z5olpqevs |
| 16:54.23 | jhutchins | jelly: Yes, and I will go now and read up on the differences, because huh? |
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| 16:55.40 | jelly | think "each file or directory may be encrypted or not" |
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| 16:58.36 | jhutchins | Yep, just caught up. Don't we have some GPG tools that automate that already? |
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| 16:59.04 | jelly | no |
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| 16:59.43 | jhutchins | You would think someone would build it into a file browser, but then again GPG doesn't get built in to nearly the number of things I expect. |
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| 17:01.31 | emunah | hello |
| 17:01.56 | emunah | i upgradedto debian jessie recently and noticed that when i plug in a flash drive it is not mounting it at all, i'm not sure how to get that functionality to work |
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| 17:14.31 | dimitry7 | jhutchins, okay man, thank you!! |
| 17:14.39 | dimitry7 | jelly, understood jelly, thanks a lot!! |
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| 17:30.41 | ShapeShifter499 | hi |
| 17:30.58 | ShapeShifter499 | ld.so.preload under /etc applies in debian wheezy correct? |
| 17:31.10 | ShapeShifter499 | and jessie |
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| 17:32.01 | jelly | ShapeShifter499: if ld.so(8) man page lists it, yes |
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| 17:34.09 | ShapeShifter499 | jelly: alright ty |
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| 17:35.21 | jelly | that functionality is probably very, very old |
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| 17:38.54 | abd5932 | Hi, I'm on Gnome 3.14 . A key pressed resumes suspend mode, how can I disable this, so that only power-button resumes from suspend? Thank you! |
| 17:39.44 | ShapeShifter499 | jelly: works fine here, I was using it in a arch linux chroot under my android system so it would auto load libandroid-shmem-gnueabihf.so which helps memory sharing between android and chroot |
| 17:39.58 | ShapeShifter499 | jelly: I wasn't sure if debian had it |
| 17:40.17 | ShapeShifter499 | I should try to remember to use man more often |
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| 17:44.14 | asterismo | hi ppl |
| 17:44.23 | asterismo | i generated openssl cert and key |
| 17:44.30 | asterismo | how do i generate the .req file? |
| 17:44.41 | asterismo | is that the cat cert key > req? |
| 17:45.14 | b1101 | asterismo: did you read https://wiki.debian.org/Self-Signed_Certificate |
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| 17:46.09 | jelly | ShapeShifter499: figuring out the man page is "ld.so" when the binary hasn't been called ld.so for 20 years is a bit of a problem |
| 17:46.28 | asterismo | b1101: yes, but unrealircd generated server.cert.pem, server.key.pem and server.req.pem |
| 17:46.36 | asterismo | i regenerated them with openssl |
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| 17:46.52 | jelly | oh, "man ld-linux.so" works as well |
| 17:46.52 | asterismo | but it generated only server.cert.pem and server.key.pem |
| 17:46.55 | asterismo | not the req |
| 17:47.09 | asterismo | server.req.pem |
| 17:47.27 | jelly | asterismo: what do you need the certificate request for with a self-signed cert anyway |
| 17:47.48 | asterismo | there is no need for that? |
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| 17:49.04 | jelly | no, a csr is needed only if you want to get a signed certificate from some other authority (like buy a commercial cert) |
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| 17:50.10 | jelly | (csr = certificate request = probably the .req file) |
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| 17:51.49 | asterismo | cat server.crt server.key > server.pem |
| 17:51.50 | asterismo | this? |
| 17:51.54 | abd5932 | Hi, I'm on Gnome 3.14 . A key pressed resumes suspend mode, how can I disable this, so that only power-button resumes from suspend? Thank you! |
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| 17:52.44 | jhutchins | abd5932: You'd have to configure it to hibernate (suspend to disk) instead of suspend-to-ram. |
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| 17:53.36 | abd5932 | jhutchins: I do want to suspend, not hibirnate (which has worth support) |
| 17:53.56 | abd5932 | or is it a bios setting? |
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| 17:57.50 | jhutchins | abd5932: I don't know, I don't know your system, I don't use Gnome. |
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| 17:59.25 | Ruum | Hey guys, how do I download the command line only amd64 iso? |
| 17:59.34 | Ruum | or where do I go? |
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| 18:02.04 | WangDang_1 | if I change something in /etc/exports or /etc/hosts.allow, do I have to restart any service for the changes to be acknowledged? |
| 18:02.43 | allorder | Ruum: http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/jessie/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso |
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| 18:03.17 | jelly | Ruum: just use the normal netinst iso |
| 18:03.22 | gebjgd | WangDang_, always |
| 18:03.38 | jelly | Ruum: assuming you want to install, not run a live image |
| 18:04.30 | Ruum | jelly: sounds good my friend |
| 18:04.37 | jelly | Ruum: note that any installer image (first cd, or first dvd, or netinst, or the 32+64bit image linked at www.debian.org) can be used to install debian without a GUI |
| 18:04.58 | jhutchins | WangDang_: For hosts.allow it should be checked next time something tries to connect, for exports I believe you need to re-export - check the NFS man page or howto. |
| 18:05.08 | Ruum | jelly: THANKS man! |
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| 18:07.43 | WangDang_ | ya, re-exporting rings a bell. thanks jhutchins |
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| 18:10.05 | jelly | Ruum: just uncheck the "Debian desktop environment" at the Task Selection step in the install process, and you get no X and no GUI. http://blog.linoxide.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/debian28.png |
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| 18:12.33 | WangDang_ | jhutchins: "exportfs -r". Thanks, I was hungup on all the daemons used to run nfs. Forgot abouting exporting. |
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| 18:18.48 | Ruum | jelly: thanks a bunch man!! |
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| 18:22.07 | Behruz | Hello |
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| 18:27.32 | Behruz | How to install new packages on debian wheezy 7? I've tried install krita 2.9 but it seems no way other than upgrading to jessie; any idea to help me up? |
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| 18:29.39 | MikeWorth | Hi, I'm trying to watch h.265 videos, but don't seem to be able to get it working. As far as I can tell I need to get some packages from a third party repository, which I've managed to add via apt-add-repository; however because it's intended for ubuntu it gives me a 404 when my machine looks for a wheezy directory. Is there a way to replace wheezy with an ubuntu codename? |
| 18:29.40 | jelly | Behruz: you'd have to build the software yourself. It's probably easier to install or upgrade to jessie. |
| 18:29.50 | MikeWorth | Or any other suggestions for getting 265 working? |
| 18:29.53 | knivsta | Does anyone knows why won't my printer print Envelope right with LibreOffice/Debian Jessie both? |
| 18:29.57 | jelly | MikeWorth: it Just Works for me with mpv |
| 18:30.07 | knivsta | is it a known issue? it would format well, but won't pass it on to the printer |
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| 18:31.18 | MikeWorth | jelly: I've tried totem and VLC is mpv based on a different decoding library? |
| 18:32.27 | Behruz | Thanks for caring jelly, do you mean source packages and make install? |
| 18:33.23 | jelly | Behruz: yes, something like /msg dpkg ssb |
| 18:33.33 | jelly | Behruz: not make install tho. |
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| 18:34.10 | jelly | MikeWorth: far as I can tell, mpv build in Debian uses libav, and libav supports x265 |
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| 18:35.03 | Behruz | For that krita 2.9 does it work? Can you point me a way for googling? |
| 18:35.19 | jelly | ,v krita |
| 18:35.20 | judd | Package: krita on amd64 -- squeeze: 1:2.2.1-4; wheezy: 1:2.4.4-3; stretch: 1:2.8.5+dfsg-1+b2; jessie: 1:2.8.5+dfsg-1+b2; sid: 1:2.8.5+dfsg-1.2 |
| 18:35.30 | MikeWorth | jelly: hmm, I was under the impression that I had the latest version of the libav in the wheezy repos; is the most straightforward thing to do to upgrade to jessie? |
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| 18:36.06 | jelly | Behruz: krita 2.9 does not seem to be in debian sid yet. So you'd have to pick source package from sid, then use uupdate to update it to 2.9, then hope the build process works |
| 18:36.22 | jelly | MikeWorth: oh, you're still on wheezy? |
| 18:36.30 | jelly | ,v mpv |
| 18:36.31 | judd | Package: mpv on amd64 -- jessie: 0.6.2-2; stretch: 0.9.2-1; sid: 0.9.2-1; experimental: 0.9.2-1+ffmpeg; jessie-multimedia: 1:0.8.3-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 1:0.9.2-dmo2 |
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| 18:36.53 | WangDang_ | "chown sab:sab /mnt" gives the error "chown: changing ownership of `/mnt': Invalid argument" What is the invalid argument? |
| 18:37.01 | jelly | mpv fork wasn't present in wheezy, and I don't remember whether there was x265 |
| 18:37.42 | jelly | MikeWorth: so yeah, if you have a couple hours do a release upgrade |
| 18:37.52 | jelly | dpkg, tell MikeWorth about wheezy->jessie |
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| 18:38.43 | MikeWorth | jelly: I hadn't realised that there was a later release until I just checked- this install is the first time I've used debian in anger and I'm used to ubuntu holding my hand through these sorts of things |
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| 18:38.51 | jelly | WangDang_: what filesystem type is mounted at /mnt? Some do not support unix ownerships and permissions properly (eg. vfat, ntfs) |
| 18:39.01 | MikeWorth | I guess that's my evening plans sorted then! |
| 18:39.11 | WangDang_ | jelly: nfs |
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| 18:39.26 | WangDang_ | the underlying filesystem on the server is ext4 |
| 18:39.34 | jelly | WangDang_: are you root on the client? |
| 18:39.51 | WangDang_ | Yes |
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| 18:40.31 | jelly | WangDang_: is the filesystem exported with no_root_squash option on the server? |
| 18:40.50 | jelly | WangDang_: read about it in exports(5) man page |
| 18:41.12 | Behruz | Thanks and one last question i'm using kde 4 it is very slow on starting up how can i troubleshooting it? |
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| 18:41.58 | WangDang_ | no no_root_squash, just rw,no_subtree_check,sync,secure |
| 18:42.43 | jelly | WangDang_: with default root_squash in place, your root is actually user nobody on the server, and can't chown. Do it on the server instead, if possible. no_root_squash isn't too safe |
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| 18:47.34 | no_gravity | Hello! I have aliased ls to "ls -Alh --color --time-style=long-iso". now how can i alias "nicels" to a version that does not show permissions and size? |
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| 18:49.07 | WangDang_ | the perms and ownership on the server should be good. On the client, the share got mounted with root:nogroup ownership. Ideally, I would not be root as I write files to the share. but the problem I'm having is that some of the files I want to backup can only be read by root. As an user I have no problems writing to the share. It's on the reading side that being a user is not good enough |
| 18:50.04 | Behruz | Jelly i'm waiting if it possible to answer |
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| 18:51.50 | WangDang_ | so I guess backing up the contents of /etc/* to a remote nfs share is not a good idea |
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| 18:54.30 | Behruz | one last question i'm using kde 4 it is very slow on starting up how can i troubleshooting it? |
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| 19:03.29 | smeg | hi, i need help |
| 19:03.52 | smeg | So today i installed windows7 on my SSD |
| 19:04.06 | smeg | now i installed debian 8.1 to my HDD |
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| 19:04.23 | smeg | ive got a 1gb boot partition |
| 19:04.32 | smeg | but when i do updat-grub |
| 19:04.36 | smeg | it cannot find windows |
| 19:04.47 | smeg | and i cannot boot into windows anymore |
| 19:04.50 | smeg | only to debian |
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| 19:06.12 | smeg | please help |
| 19:06.18 | smeg | :( |
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| 19:06.39 | rainfyre | 1gb boot partition seems huge |
| 19:06.49 | smeg | doesnt matter |
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| 19:06.59 | smeg | its a 1TB hdd |
| 19:08.42 | Behruz | I don't know if with upgrading to jessie my problems getting solved? |
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| 19:09.12 | centrx | Behruz, If your problem is KDE running too slow, probably not |
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| 19:09.36 | centrx | Behruz, One solution may be to try a different desktop environment, such as XFCE or LXDE |
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| 19:09.58 | Behruz | But i think eventually i have to upgrade |
| 19:10.23 | Behruz | For new softwares getting work |
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| 19:10.40 | centrx | Behruz, To get newer software, upgrading to jessie would be a good idea, yes |
| 19:10.42 | Behruz | I got them |
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| 19:11.44 | Behruz | It's usual work to upgrading? |
| 19:12.45 | Behruz | Thanks |
| 19:13.01 | GPenguin | oh my gosh, i need to switch from chromium to chrome to be able to use netflix? |
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| 19:13.52 | smeg | plz help |
| 19:13.55 | smeg | look up |
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| 19:25.23 | AlienCat | hello |
| 19:25.34 | centrx | !ask |
| 19:25.34 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 19:25.52 | AlienCat | I am trying to recompile the kennel |
| 19:26.07 | wsky | andA? |
| 19:26.08 | wsky | and? |
| 19:26.16 | centrx | and it's going well! |
| 19:26.20 | wsky | \o/ |
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| 19:26.49 | AlienCat | Sandly not |
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| 19:27.05 | AlienCat | something in open-vm-tools totally breaks it |
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| 19:28.01 | AlienCat | http://pastebin.com/UTUZ8ZuD here we go |
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| 19:28.34 | AlienCat | perhaps I can just remove open-vm-tools? |
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| 19:38.42 | AlienCat | okay fixed by removing the old kernel |
| 19:38.56 | AlienCat | now next problem |
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| 19:39.48 | AlienCat | http://pastebin.com/Sn7dPNpk I got missing firmwares |
| 19:39.55 | AlienCat | how can I solve it? |
| 19:41.28 | wsky | have you installed the firmware package? |
| 19:41.36 | jelly | !realtek |
| 19:41.36 | dpkg | Realtek is a developer of semiconductors. Realtek Ethernet controllers are supported by the 8139too, 8139cp and <r8169> drivers in the mainline Linux kernel. For support of Realtek-based wireless LAN devices, ask me about <rtl819x> (802.11n) or <rtl818x> (802.11b/g). |
| 19:41.49 | jelly | ,v firmware-realtek |
| 19:41.50 | judd | Package: firmware-realtek on amd64 -- squeeze/non-free: 0.28+squeeze1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1~bpo60+1; wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 0.43~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 0.43; sid/non-free: 0.44; stretch/non-free: 0.44 |
| 19:41.59 | jelly | AlienCat: probably by installing that ^^ |
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| 19:43.45 | AlienCat | oh right I will try that, thanks :) |
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| 20:04.52 | debian387 | Hello everyone, I would like to use open-source radeon driver in debian 8.1. I have installed firmware-linux-nonfree, libgl1-mesa-dri, xserver-xorg-video-ati. here are: dmesg: http://pastebin.com/mbKH5Y2H ,Xorg.0.log: http://pastebin.com/YzNwV58S ,vainfo: http://pastebin.com/uMhWUQm0 ,vdapuinfo: http://pastebin.com/ccBRq1zY , glxinfo | grep OpenGL: http://pastebin.com/zYDZrWYt . Please help |
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| 20:07.32 | Overand | Hey - is the "files with dots in them in /etc/cron.daily don't execute" thing an ubuntu-ism or a debianism? (Trying to figure out if it'll affect my Wheezy system. I'd guess it's a debianism, but I'm not sure |
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| 20:07.47 | Overand | (Unless I'm way off and it's a RHELism and I'm misremembering badly) |
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| 20:15.46 | allizom | Overand: in Debian/Ubuntu you can't put dots in the names |
| 20:16.00 | Overand | So, here's the question. |
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| 20:16.28 | Overand | If i've got /usr/local/bin/mysqlbackupwhatever.sh and I stick a symbolic link in /etc/cron.daily/ named "mysqlbackup" - will it run or not run? |
| 20:16.40 | Overand | (I guess I could test this with a simple script and stuff it in cron.d_ |
| 20:17.12 | ompaul | iptables question, I have several hosts external to the network that I want to access a single host on the network using only iptables as I don't control them, consider it like having a web server on 192.168.1.80:80 and the outside machines are 1.2.3.4 and 2.3.4.5 - and the external ip is 7.8.9.10 and the local lan is accessible via port forwarding from 192.168.1.2 |
| 20:17.58 | acz32 | is the keepass2 package in debian the same as keepass on windows, or is it different |
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| 20:18.31 | ompaul | acz32: it won't be the same binary if it is built to run on debian |
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| 20:19.00 | acz32 | i meant is it the same software |
| 20:19.02 | acz32 | or some fork |
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| 20:19.29 | acz32 | what is the "2" for |
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| 20:20.12 | ompaul | acz32: you;d have to ask the keepass people |
| 20:20.33 | ompaul | acz32: http://keepass.info/download.html |
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| 20:21.00 | ompaul | ,v keepass |
| 20:21.01 | judd | No package named 'keepass' was found in amd64. |
| 20:21.04 | ompaul | ,v keepass2 |
| 20:21.05 | judd | Package: keepass2 on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.19+dfsg-2; jessie: 2.28+dfsg-1; sid: 2.29+dfsg-1 |
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| 20:21.36 | acz32 | strange |
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| 20:22.32 | ompaul | acz32: no, it's the software repackaged but frankly you can install it with apt-get install or you can do some none debian install way |
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| 20:23.03 | acz32 | so it is the same software then, ok |
| 20:23.27 | acz32 | the 2 at the end was confusing |
| 20:23.44 | behruz | Hello,i want to upgrade but i don't know how much internet and time it cost me to upgrade from wheezy to Jessie. I got free bandwidth from 2 up 8. Morning |
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| 20:24.46 | acz32 | when there are version numbers with dfsg like keepass 2 (2.28+dfsg-1) does that meant he souce was modified in some way to comply with the free software guidelines? |
| 20:26.07 | acz32 | behruz: so why not just upgrade between 2 and 8? 6 hours is enough even on slow internet |
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| 20:26.18 | allizom | Overand: I can't test right now. According to some guy on the web ( https://justcheckingonall.wordpress.com/2009/06/28/cron-does-not-run-scripts ), it will run. To be sure, I would check myself |
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| 20:27.47 | behruz | It will update all old softwares to new ones? |
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| 20:29.48 | ompaul | acz32: gcc has changed as has glibc across the last few versions so they end up differently even if the source was exactly the same. |
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| 20:33.48 | behruz | Upgrading could be a choose for making system work better and smoother in speed wise? |
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| 20:34.38 | centrx | behruz, Probably not, significantly at least |
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| 20:34.51 | centrx | behruz, System work better sure, but significantly faster no |
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| 20:35.17 | centrx | behruz, For speed/smoothness, you may want to consider using a different desktop environment for example, or checking what services/daemons you have running in the background |
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| 20:35.58 | centrx | behruz, You can pause the downloading of upgrade packages at any time. The upgrade does not begin until all packages needed for the upgraded are downloaded |
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| 20:36.33 | behruz | I wonder how can i troubleshooting it. |
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| 20:38.05 | centrx | behruz, You can see what processes are running with 'top', by default it is sorted in order of CPU usage |
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| 20:38.16 | centrx | behruz, press shift-M to sort by memory usage |
| 20:38.22 | centrx | behruz, If you are running Gnome, switch to XFCE or LXDE |
| 20:39.21 | behruz | centrx,i'm using kde4 |
| 20:39.32 | n-st | hi, whenever i'm trying to use `timedatectl` on my arm board with jessie and systemd, i get "Failed to create bus connection: No such file or directory". do i need to configure or start anything to use it? |
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| 20:39.59 | centrx | behruz, I'm not sure how heavy/bloated kde4 is, but one option is to switch desktop environments yes. See 'top' to get an idea of what's happening on your system specifically |
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| 20:40.59 | behruz | centrx,I got problem only on starting up |
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| 20:41.51 | centrx | behruz, I see, can you watch the console output to see what is taking a long time to start? |
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| 20:42.27 | behruz | centrx,i got no idea |
| 20:43.44 | centrx | behruz, See if you have any services starting that you don't need, like say a database server that you don't use |
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| 20:45.23 | behruz | centrx,when when kde splash ends and i'm on desktop it takes me about 30. Sec or maybe more for letting me to work and click |
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| 20:45.42 | centrx | behruz, That sounds like a KDE issue. What are your hardware specs? |
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| 20:47.49 | behruz | centrx,lenovo laptop 2core 2gig ram and with basic graphic cart,it's G500 |
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| 20:48.41 | centrx | behruz, I bet KDE is too much for either the graphics card or the RAM |
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| 20:51.45 | behruz | centrx,so is there any gui program for shuting down unwanted services. I'm using my box now just for graphics purposes |
| 20:52.34 | centrx | behruz, I don't know, I was thinking of that but didn't look for it |
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| 20:52.57 | centrx | behruz, Since you say the slowness happens after the KDE splash ends, I tend to think it's something with KDE |
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| 20:53.23 | centrx | behruz, If you want to stay with KDE, you could try changing the graphics settings for KDE to use less fancy eye candy |
| 20:53.36 | acz32 | behruz: you cna try disabling kde desktop effects |
| 20:53.46 | acz32 | in system settings |
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| 20:55.09 | tubaman | I'm getting more noise than signal from my headset mic. I have an Intel C210 Chipset using the snd_hda_intel driver. Any ideas? |
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| 20:56.34 | behruz | acz32:i'll try it as i can effort |
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| 21:00.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | tubaman, it's off/muted in some way... try to play around in alsamixer enabling/disabling and muting/unmuting stuff |
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| 21:00.41 | tubaman | I *can* hear myself... there's just a ton of static with my voice |
| 21:01.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | tubaman, that or that it's physically broken - in which case you should just buy a new one - would be my two favourite guesses |
| 21:01.19 | tubaman | the headset mic works fine with my cell phone |
| 21:01.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | tubaman, if you hear yourself loudly, maybe it's just boosted too much... still play around in alsamixer |
| 21:02.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | "tab" switches between speakers and mics |
| 21:02.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | "m" mutes and space enables/disables stuff, cursor keys change levels |
| 21:02.57 | SuperTramp83 | pavucontrol may help |
| 21:02.58 | tubaman | yeah, i've been playing around with pauvcontrol and alsamixer settings for like 2 hours |
| 21:03.09 | tubaman | all combinations seem to suck |
| 21:03.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | tubaman, was just going to say... you'll find there's a ton of combinations ... the one that is "good" may also not be obvious |
| 21:03.36 | tubaman | At one point, this mic was working find with this setup |
| 21:03.43 | tubaman | I somehow messed it up |
| 21:04.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | may always also be a physical defect |
| 21:04.20 | tubaman | in what, the mic? |
| 21:04.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | maybe... or even the audio chips or the jack... whatever |
| 21:05.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | water in the jack would do it :P |
| 21:05.09 | tubaman | what are the odds? |
| 21:06.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | I managed it once! |
| 21:06.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, with a normal one |
| 21:06.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | by hanging the cable in coffee without even noticing |
| 21:06.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | for usb: zero :) |
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| 21:13.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | tubaman, oh... and I guess you can kill pulse for testing, then you have one dimension of things to fiddle with less |
| 21:14.01 | tubaman | yeah... I'll do that now |
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| 21:14.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't think the pulse layer is it... but if there is none, it cannot be at fault |
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| 21:15.59 | raboof | when I plug in my usb printer, I see "Jun 23 23:14:13 yinka udev-configure-printer: no device named /dev/bus/usb/003/025 found" in /var/log/messages, though that device does appear to exist |
| 21:16.08 | raboof | what would be the fastest way to print a couple of pages? :) |
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| 21:19.46 | tubaman | \quit |
| 21:21.26 | raboof | ok, added it to cups and in the administration panel there I could 'resume' it to get it out of 'paused' stat |
| 21:21.29 | raboof | state |
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| 21:50.44 | centrx | I see |
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| 22:42.55 | WangDang_ | Hi, I just tried to upgrade another box from wheezy to jessie. I ended up with the following errors. Does anyone know what it means? http://paste.debian.net/hidden/fbd0ed6d/ |
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| 22:46.08 | FelixFire619 | anyone recommend what i can look at to create a vpn on a deb serv so i can use via my win machine? |
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| 22:49.22 | arminius | http://fpaste.org/235955/50996891/ - anyone? i think it's quite obvious that i don't want all those dependencies... :) |
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| 22:56.55 | arminius | so yeah sure i could just use aptitude which solves that problem, but still i'd like to know what's going on here. |
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| 22:58.28 | pugfantus | dependency of dependency |
| 22:58.43 | amcorreia | use OpenVPN |
| 22:59.28 | arminius | openvpn is pretty bad software. |
| 22:59.41 | amcorreia | why? |
| 22:59.47 | arminius | have a look at tinc and peervpn. |
| 22:59.59 | arminius | you'll see why. |
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| 23:00.40 | arminius | basically because you don't need all that x509 crap to build a vpn. |
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| 23:01.21 | arminius | if you build openssl wrapper scripts for fun go ahead, though. |
| 23:01.27 | arminius | still consider the SPOF. |
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| 23:02.15 | amcorreia | I never had problems with openvpn |
| 23:02.21 | arminius | but i would seriously look at meshed x509-less solutions. |
| 23:02.26 | arminius | me neither. |
| 23:02.34 | amcorreia | always work fine, and easy to troubleshoot |
| 23:02.42 | arminius | good. go ahead then. |
| 23:02.55 | amcorreia | Is not for me ;) |
| 23:03.04 | arminius | use what works for you. :) |
| 23:03.09 | arminius | also use the tools you know. :) |
| 23:03.51 | arminius | also quit your job if your boss doesn't let you use the tools you want. |
| 23:04.10 | boker | hi - i'm (still) running debian6 but did not used the apache-package provided by debian. i used the apache sources and build apache with ssl support against the openssl-package provided by debian.. question now: do i need to compile/install apache again if this openssl-debian-package gets updated? (for example: updated from: 0.9.8o-4squeeze8 to 0. |
| 23:04.11 | boker | 9.8o-4squeeze21) |
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| 23:05.33 | arminius | no. |
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| 23:07.05 | arminius | by the way i've just quit my job because unix projects were driven in a political manner. |
| 23:07.40 | arminius | so i'm just smoking a joint with you guys. for freedom, innocence and sharedom of knowledge. |
| 23:07.46 | arminius | <3 |
| 23:07.51 | arminius | much love. |
| 23:07.52 | centrx | FILE NOT FOUND |
| 23:07.55 | pugfantus | w00t! <3 |
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| 23:08.16 | boker | no because its such a minor update/version change? in case of updates like 0.9.8 to 0.9.9 i need to build apache again? |
| 23:08.23 | amcorreia | lol |
| 23:09.00 | arminius | boker: no because your apache installation does not bringt its own ssl libraries. |
| 23:09.18 | arminius | boker: also you should seriously focus on what encryption algorithms your webservers actually use. |
| 23:09.33 | arminius | boker: you seem to have been running an ancient ssl version for ages on a production machine. |
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| 23:10.47 | boker | yeah, but theres also a ligttpd running with openssl 1.0.2x |
| 23:10.59 | arminius | so? |
| 23:11.15 | arminius | get your shit running? what else should i tell you. |
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| 23:11.49 | arminius | i'm totally happy to help you where i can though. |
| 23:12.09 | boker | my question is not explicit about apache and openssl, its about: when do i need to build the software again? with every update (minor update 0.9.8a -> 0.9.8b) or ... dont know |
| 23:12.41 | boker | maybe i'm asking the wrong question |
| 23:12.51 | arminius | as a general rule of thumb, i can tell you how i proceed as a unix administrator in that case, but that might really vary. |
| 23:12.58 | centrx | boker, Also try #httpd |
| 23:13.32 | arminius | i would take a look at the version number, see what they actually mean by "major" and "minor", look at the commits of the projects version control repositories, and get in contact with the developers. |
| 23:13.59 | arminius | also, don't try #httpd because your question is not apache specific at all. |
| 23:14.05 | boker | yeah |
| 23:14.41 | boker | could be everything.... mysql, postgresql, lighttpd, xyz build with nnn |
| 23:14.44 | boker | mh ok |
| 23:15.05 | arminius | boker: well your problem wouldn't exist if you update your machines. |
| 23:15.08 | centrx | arminius, The question is whether apache needs to be recompiled for a new version of ssl |
| 23:15.15 | arminius | it doesn't. |
| 23:15.26 | arminius | usually, that is. |
| 23:15.42 | boker | centrx not specific apache.. |
| 23:15.45 | centrx | boker, For example, you could have compiled Apache with static libraries. In that case, you would need to recompile |
| 23:16.02 | boker | arminius - the system is up to date - thats only an example |
| 23:16.06 | centrx | boker, If your software properly uses dynamic libraries, you would not need to recompile/get a new version |
| 23:16.11 | boker | ah |
| 23:16.13 | boker | ! |
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| 23:16.45 | arminius | ldd /usr/sbin/nginx will show all the libraries that the linker has linked this binary to. |
| 23:16.46 | centrx | Some software ships with its own custom copy of parts of OpenSSL |
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| 23:17.58 | arminius | centrx: i would not touch that software with a stick. |
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| 23:19.00 | arminius | centrx: on anything i got UID0 on, that is. |
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| 23:26.47 | vlt | Hello. I installed Debian stable (8) (via debootstrap), installed a kernel and the packages mdadm, lvm2, and cryptsetup. The generated inintrd.img does contain mdadm and lvm but NOT cryptsetup. What is the cleanest way to get that loaded into initrd? |
| 23:29.28 | pugfantus | vlt : Have you seen this? https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=767195 |
| 23:29.29 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/767195 in live-build (closed, d-i, pending): «cryptsetup needs to be enabled for initramfs inclusion»; severity: normal; opened: 2014-10-29; last modified: 2015-05-30. |
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| 23:30.20 | incal | mpsyt of mps-youtube: I have Version: 0.01.46-3 on Debian, and for some reason I don't get any search hits all of a sudden so I suppose it doesn't reach YT anymore |
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| 23:33.58 | pugfantus | incal: there's a #mps-youtube channel on here, you might have some luck there |
| 23:34.54 | pugfantus | I know YT has been deprecating APIs recently |
| 23:36.07 | vlt | pugfantus: No, thank you. I'm on a terminal right now (due to not booting properly w/o cryptsetup, damn). I could read the bug report you provided but not understand how and where it is fixed. |
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| 23:36.42 | vlt | pugfantus: Can I add something to /etc/apt/sources.list and update to get it fixed or where can I set CRYPTSETUP=y? |
| 23:37.07 | vlt | Before calling update-initramfs? Should that work? |
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| 23:38.37 | nick[0] | Hi! What does the "-ckt11" extra version in 3.16.7-ckt11-1 mean? |
| 23:39.03 | nick[0] | (for the linux-* package) |
| 23:39.50 | incal | pugfantus: already did that, they are silent - does it (mpsyt) work for you? |
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| 23:42.07 | pugfantus | nick[0]: 'Canonical Kernel Team' |
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| 23:44.08 | pugfantus | incal : gimme a sec and I'll check |
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| 23:49.58 | pugfantus | incal : what's something that's failing for you? |
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| 23:50.35 | incal | pugfantus: no search hits on any search string |
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| 23:52.07 | pugfantus | ok, it's working here... |
| 23:52.33 | pugfantus | when's the last time you've run: pip3 install mps-youtube --upgrade |
| 23:52.38 | incal | pugfantus: yeah, suspected that |
| 23:53.08 | incal | I got it from the normal repos, ver 0.01.46 |
| 23:53.25 | pugfantus | oh, I just installed it by hand, haha |
| 23:53.43 | incal | what version do you have? |
| 23:54.12 | pugfantus | v0.2.5 |
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| 23:54.28 | incal | yeah, that might be it |
| 23:54.36 | incal | where did you get pip3? |
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| 23:56.00 | pugfantus | python3-pip: /usr/bin/pip3 |
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| 23:56.38 | pugfantus | might want to uninstall the package version first |
| 23:56.49 | incal | cool, I'll try it |
| 23:56.53 | pugfantus | of mps-youtube |
| 23:56.59 | incal | right |
| 23:56.59 | pugfantus | good luck! |
| 23:57.31 | JohnDoe1972 | hey guys noobie question ! how do i open terminal ? |
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| 23:58.48 | pugfantus | JohnDoe1972 : from your application list, you should see terminal/gnome terminal/xterm/konsole/etc in usually System Tools |
| 23:59.13 | JohnDoe1972 | thx pug |
| 23:59.19 | pugfantus | np |
| 23:59.20 | incal | also, you can type the terminal name in a terminal |
| 23:59.29 | JohnDoe1972 | lol |
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| 23:59.40 | pugfantus | interminaltion! |
