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| 00:00.46 | CodeGuro | What's this for? |
| 00:01.03 | abrotman | CodeGuro: www.debian.org |
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| 00:02.16 | abrotman | CodeGuro: it's a website |
| 00:02.37 | n-st | WangDang_: thanks for the link. they're suggesting hplip, which i assume provides the hpcups driver. after a quick test it looks like that one actually provides way better print quality :) |
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| 00:03.17 | WangDang_ | yw |
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| 00:40.51 | srg | just firewalled himself off from his own server for the second time in his years of running servers |
| 00:40.57 | srg | thank god for kvm |
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| 00:59.18 | tortib | How can I remove a rootkit? |
| 00:59.37 | bazhang | ,v rkhunter |
| 00:59.38 | judd | Package: rkhunter on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.3.6-4; squeeze-backports: 1.3.8-10~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1.4.0-1; jessie: 1.4.2-0.4; stretch: 1.4.2-1; sid: 1.4.2-3 |
| 00:59.44 | tortib | bazhang, man you are everywhere |
| 00:59.58 | tortib | rkhunter doesn't detect it but chkrootkit does |
| 01:00.19 | bazhang | many are false positives, keep that in mind |
| 01:00.25 | tortib | it isn't a false positive |
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| 01:01.09 | abrotman | tortib: take it offline, format, reinstall, retsore from a known good backup |
| 01:01.20 | tortib | I don't want to format |
| 01:01.23 | tortib | I just want to remove the damn rootkit |
| 01:01.33 | abrotman | then you won't know for sure it's been removed. Good luck |
| 01:01.49 | SirLagz | how do people get rootkits anyway... |
| 01:01.52 | tortib | there is no software to remove rootkits on linux? |
| 01:02.02 | abrotman | you can't trust anything, it's a rootkit |
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| 01:06.52 | kc4zvw | Anyone running Debian 8 on a DELL D530 desktop and had video issue since upgrading? |
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| 01:07.09 | SirLagz | kc4zvw: Dell D530...sounds *OLD* |
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| 01:07.38 | kc4zvw | SirLagz: it is old |
| 01:07.50 | SirLagz | kc4zvw: sounds like one of the old Pentium 4 Dell machines |
| 01:07.57 | kc4zvw | yes |
| 01:08.02 | SirLagz | kc4zvw: what video chipset is it running? |
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| 01:10.45 | kc4zvw | SirLagz: some version of intel I am guessing |
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| 01:11.15 | abrotman | lspci -nn | grep -i vga |
| 01:13.21 | tortib | Can someone look at my system? |
| 01:13.23 | tortib | I'm willing to pay |
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| 01:13.40 | abrotman | there's a list of consultants on the Debian website |
| 01:14.09 | kc4zvw | Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller |
| 01:14.32 | bazhang | ,v teamviewer |
| 01:14.33 | judd | No package named 'teamviewer' was found in amd64. |
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| 01:15.56 | DammitJim | best bare metal backup recovery for Debian |
| 01:15.57 | DammitJim | Go |
| 01:15.58 | DammitJim | ! |
| 01:16.31 | bazhang | having backups |
| 01:16.56 | DammitJim | I guess I already use Clonezilla |
| 01:17.14 | DammitJim | I'm looking for other suggestions of a running machine (instead of having to boot into something else) |
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| 01:21.12 | three_legs | Why is the windows Debian-Installer so much more advanced than the netinstall installer ? |
| 01:21.53 | kc4zvw | SirLagz: Been running Debian for a while but after upgrade to version 8 video is delayed and scrolling very erratic on this hardware. |
| 01:22.21 | three_legs | kc4zvw: yeah i have noticed the video player lag aswell |
| 01:22.30 | SirLagz | I don't have any more 865 chipset machines anymore unfortunately so can't test it |
| 01:22.32 | three_legs | it's recent |
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| 01:23.05 | three_legs | SirLagz: i don't think that has anyting to do with it |
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| 01:24.52 | SirLagz | three_legs: a GPU doesn't have anything to do with video issues? |
| 01:24.54 | kc4zvw | SirLagz: send me a very large box and a few stamps :-) I got a least a half dozen of DELL from this via 'recycles' from the local public library |
| 01:25.35 | kc4zvw | from this era ... |
| 01:27.07 | kc4zvw | SirLagz: you are thinking a driver issue?? |
| 01:27.57 | SirLagz | kc4zvw: that would be where I would look first |
| 01:28.12 | allizom | DammitJim: rsync if you manage to handle it. Should have a GUI frontend |
| 01:28.18 | SirLagz | kc4zvw: check logs etc see if there are any warnings |
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| 01:28.39 | DammitJim | allizom, can I do a bare metal restore with rsync? |
| 01:28.57 | SirLagz | kc4zvw: heh, I just gave away my last 865 chipset PC mid last week |
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| 01:29.03 | SirLagz | kc4zvw: don't wany any more:P |
| 01:29.42 | SirLagz | I still have bags and bags of DDR1 and DDR2 RAM |
| 01:29.49 | at0m|c | great in winter, though |
| 01:29.52 | SirLagz | heh true |
| 01:30.18 | SirLagz | middle of winter here too |
| 01:32.06 | kc4zvw | SirLagz: how about a shoebox of sunshine from Florida? It been 97-99F degrees last week or so ... with standard summer humity! |
| 01:32.17 | SirLagz | haha, that would be nice |
| 01:32.43 | cafuego | 99F? That's 4 cubic frogs right? |
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| 01:35.47 | kc4zvw | cafuego: along with the geckos and Palmetto bugs ..... |
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| 01:44.00 | DeaDSouL | hi, how can I print all the desktop main and sub-menu in terminal ? or where is it being stored ? |
| 01:44.00 | kc4zvw | SirLagz: I found in /var/log/Xorg.0.log stuff like : [ 67.140] (WW) Falling back to old probe method for vesa |
| 01:44.22 | SirLagz | kc4zvw: paste up the whole log file |
| 01:44.27 | SirLagz | kc4zvw: pastebin* |
| 01:44.40 | SirLagz | DeaDSouL: depends on the WM you're using |
| 01:44.59 | DeaDSouL | SirLagz: gnome 3 |
| 01:45.36 | SirLagz | DeaDSouL: I have no idea then, sorry |
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| 01:46.34 | DeaDSouL | SirLagz: it's ok |
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| 02:13.40 | kc4zvw | SirLagz: I haven't forgotten just moving at a snail pace ... video wise |
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| 02:22.45 | kc4zvw | SirLagz: http://pastebin.com/JDbtnT06 |
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| 02:32.45 | mroe | I'm trying to figure out why asterisk 13 hasn't moved into testing: https://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=asterisk Is this saying the package in unstable is too old and there are open bugs? |
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| 02:36.49 | at0m|c | ,bug rc asterisk |
| 02:36.51 | judd | Release critical bugs in package asterisk (1): #780601 (open, fixed-upstream, patch, security, upstream) |
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| 02:40.03 | phix | I think he left |
| 02:40.20 | phix | Any way, I recommend using the asterisk repo, the debian repo is lacking for asterisk |
| 02:40.42 | phix | deb http://packages.asterisk.org/deb wheezy main |
| 02:41.25 | phix | hmmm, I really need to update to Jessie, but the last time I did that on a different machine it broke PAM, dahdi, asterisk and a few other packages |
| 02:42.24 | pencilandpaper | you should be good upgrading to jessie phix ..well what DE do you use if you dont mind me asking? |
| 02:42.54 | phix | DE? |
| 02:43.14 | pencilandpaper | DE stands for Desktop Environment. |
| 02:43.22 | pencilandpaper | i use Xfce. |
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| 02:43.46 | phix | I use bash |
| 02:43.52 | pencilandpaper | or window manager? |
| 02:43.57 | pencilandpaper | okie dokes. |
| 02:43.59 | phix | I dont use X |
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| 02:44.07 | pencilandpaper | you run headless? |
| 02:44.09 | phix | not on my debian boxes any way |
| 02:44.22 | pencilandpaper | i see, so you hang out in tty then? |
| 02:44.25 | phix | I use Ubuntu for desktop |
| 02:44.34 | pencilandpaper | ok cool phix . |
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| 02:44.52 | pencilandpaper | yeah i use debian for desktop use as well. |
| 02:45.02 | phix | ah ok |
| 02:45.32 | phix | any way, BBL |
| 02:46.06 | pencilandpaper | take it easy phix . |
| 02:49.38 | kc4zvw | SirLagz: was anything pasted of any use? |
| 02:50.07 | sobkas_ | I have a problem with systemd, dracut and encrypted root(fully encrypted disk), it doesn't asks for password during startup(I think it's caused by empty /run/systemd/ask-password) and I have to use openLuks by hand. Any Ideas? |
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| 02:58.08 | sobkas_ | found this bug: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=719740 hope rd.auto=1 will help... |
| 02:58.09 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/719740 in dracut (open): «dracut does not boot with an encrypted hard disk»; severity: important; opened: 2013-08-14; last modified: 2014-08-15. |
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| 03:05.17 | sobkas_ | I'm so glad, rd.auto=1 works :) |
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| 04:25.11 | n-iCe | hi guys |
| 04:25.42 | n-iCe | is gnome the default Debian DE? |
| 04:25.58 | phix | hi n-iCe |
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| 04:26.10 | n-iCe | How are you phix |
| 04:26.11 | phix | n-iCe: it can be if you install it |
| 04:26.27 | n-iCe | phix: but is there any prefered DE for Debian? |
| 04:26.33 | phix | nope |
| 04:26.39 | n-iCe | Oh, I see, what do you use? |
| 04:26.54 | n-iCe | I'm thinking in move to xfce |
| 04:26.55 | phix | I don't use a DE in debian |
| 04:27.00 | n-iCe | WM? |
| 04:27.09 | phix | nope, just bash shell :) |
| 04:27.13 | n-iCe | oh |
| 04:27.24 | n-iCe | I see. |
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| 04:27.35 | n-iCe | Why do you prefer Debian over any other distro? |
| 04:27.42 | n-iCe | What makes you choose Debian |
| 04:27.55 | phix | I use it for servers |
| 04:28.01 | Justin417 | I also use it for servers |
| 04:28.06 | phix | stable, nice packages, etc etc |
| 04:28.07 | Justin417 | I like the stability mostly |
| 04:28.19 | n-iCe | so is not your host os |
| 04:28.23 | n-iCe | what do you run as host |
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| 04:28.34 | phix | as host?> |
| 04:28.38 | n-iCe | main os |
| 04:28.40 | Justin417 | Actually I run debian on my desktops too, if thats what your asking |
| 04:28.45 | n-iCe | oh, yes, yes |
| 04:28.47 | Ynnaf | I'm installing a server under debian. Is this normal that the ssh key is changing at each reboot by default or must I get concerned about it ? |
| 04:28.52 | phix | n-iCe: I have several computers and virtual machines |
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| 04:29.00 | phix | n-iCe: all do different things |
| 04:29.03 | n-iCe | get it |
| 04:29.09 | n-iCe | I was using Archlinux. |
| 04:29.18 | phix | Ynnaf: that shouldn't happen |
| 04:29.24 | n-iCe | Just gor tired I think, moved to Ubuntu, looks nice, I just don't feel like using it. |
| 04:29.33 | Ynnaf | phix: this concerns me. :s |
| 04:29.51 | phix | Ynnaf: not me :) |
| 04:31.48 | Justin417 | Ynnaf, hmm never had that happen to me on my servers |
| 04:31.51 | Justin417 | Is it a fresh install? |
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| 04:34.20 | n-iCe | Well, I will want to try Debian then |
| 04:34.30 | n-iCe | is xfce a good start or go right away with gnome? |
| 04:34.34 | n-iCe | I don't think I like lxde |
| 04:34.40 | Justin417 | Depends on your specs, I would suggest gnome |
| 04:34.46 | n-iCe | oh, really? |
| 04:34.51 | n-iCe | i3 4GB Ram |
| 04:34.56 | Justin417 | Oh thats fine then |
| 04:34.58 | rozie | Ynnaf: it's not normal. |
| 04:35.00 | n-iCe | for gnome? |
| 04:35.03 | Justin417 | Yeah |
| 04:35.12 | n-iCe | and why gnome over xfce, is not xfce smoother and faster? |
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| 04:35.17 | Justin417 | I'm running gnome on a core 2 duo with 4 GB of RAM and have not yet run into a problem |
| 04:35.37 | Justin417 | It would free up more system resources |
| 04:35.45 | Justin417 | but dosen't look as nice (my opnion) |
| 04:36.26 | Justin417 | Really its mostly personal prefrence |
| 04:37.40 | n-iCe | Justin417: thanks, may I ask an awkward question? why would people seems to hate Ubuntu? at least what I read. |
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| 04:37.44 | n-iCe | seems like |
| 04:38.05 | Justin417 | To be honest, I'm not really sure, I've seen that before too... it seems to just be a "thing" on the internet |
| 04:38.08 | Justin417 | I don't really understand why haha |
| 04:38.17 | Justin417 | I don't ~hate~ ubuntu but I woulden't really want to use it myself |
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| 04:38.55 | n-iCe | Exactly, why, why is people not confortable using Ubuntu |
| 04:39.28 | Justin417 | I personally don't use it just because I feel its more "windows" like... as in it does alot automatically.... I just prefer to be in complete control of my system |
| 04:39.49 | Justin417 | But not sure why anyone would feel ~unconfortable~ using it |
| 04:40.03 | n-iCe | I see |
| 04:40.04 | n-iCe | Ok, thanks! |
| 04:40.10 | Justin417 | No problem! |
| 04:40.27 | Justin417 | If you ever have questions I'm sure the IRC will be helpful |
| 04:40.31 | Justin417 | debian also has forums I believe |
| 04:41.07 | n-iCe | installing debian |
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| 05:22.11 | justanotherusr | I am running KDE, I changed my default browser in system settings to chromium. I changed my default browser using update-alternatives to chromium. Icedove and my terminal emulator both still load iceweasel. Where do I need to change my config other than those two places? |
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| 05:27.36 | knivsta | hi |
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| 05:29.42 | arahael | justanotherusr: they might be running it explicitly. |
| 05:30.28 | justanotherusr | arahael: I can understand icedove doing it, but my terminal emulator (terminator) is doing it as well. |
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| 05:31.35 | arahael | justanotherusr: they're both doing it wrong, then? |
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| 05:36.33 | FemaleZ | i have some analog -> digital PCI cards on a server I picked up a while ago |
| 05:36.43 | FemaleZ | video input |
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| 05:36.54 | FemaleZ | the server is from 2003 |
| 05:37.00 | FemaleZ | I need help with two things |
| 05:37.19 | FemaleZ | a) finding out if the CPU is 32 or 64 bit |
| 05:37.30 | FemaleZ | b) finding out the make and model of the PCI cards |
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| 05:37.59 | FemaleZ | i am booted into debian-mate, and I am waiting in mate-terminal as root |
| 05:38.05 | FemaleZ | patiently waits |
| 05:38.20 | Justin417 | To find out if 32 or 64bit, can you run the command uname -a |
| 05:38.51 | Justin417 | At the end of the output of that command, do you see x86_64 or i386 |
| 05:39.09 | FemaleZ | x86_64 |
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| 05:39.20 | Justin417 | Alright, its a 64 bit CPU then :) |
| 05:39.42 | Justin417 | x86_64 means 64bit, i386 means 32 bit |
| 05:39.49 | Justin417 | Is that all you needed to know about CPU? |
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| 05:40.43 | FemaleZ | yeah... I know I have the 64 bit boot disk installed on the flash drive I booted from, but I've booted on a really old desktop before that I really thought was 32 bit, and it booted fine |
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| 05:41.02 | FemaleZ | so I just wanted some way to determine the CPU bit count directly from the cpu, rather than the OS |
| 05:41.22 | FemaleZ | anyway... that's the less important part though. more important is finding out what these cards are |
| 05:41.52 | Justin417 | Ah |
| 05:42.01 | Justin417 | Just a heads up another command thats pretty helpful - lscpu |
| 05:42.17 | FemaleZ | perfect |
| 05:42.19 | FemaleZ | that does it |
| 05:42.24 | FemaleZ | 64 bit confirmed |
| 05:42.27 | Justin417 | Nice! |
| 05:42.32 | Justin417 | Ok, now for PCI |
| 05:42.35 | Justin417 | lspci -v |
| 05:43.15 | Justin417 | This might be tricky, do you have physical access to the machine? The cards should have some info physically on them |
| 05:43.54 | FemaleZ | i do have physical access, yeah... |
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| 05:44.52 | Justin417 | Did lspci command give any usefull info? |
| 05:44.56 | FemaleZ | i'm going to see if I can pastebin what I got from lspci |
| 05:45.03 | Justin417 | Alright |
| 05:45.22 | Ynnaf | I've this specific case where I'm trying to set up a storage server that consume the less power as possible : so there is a spinedown after 5min of inactivity. Problem is, it does not inactivate. My guess is, some process read/write on that device. Can I detect it a way or another ? |
| 05:45.22 | Justin417 | I think debian has a pastebin, http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 05:46.13 | Justin417 | Hmmm |
| 05:46.28 | Justin417 | Ynnaf, wish i could say more but thats a bit over my level of knowledge |
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| 05:47.16 | Ynnaf | no problem, it's a bit over mine too :p |
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| 05:48.09 | FemaleZ | tries to think of a way to get data from a non-network connected computer to a network connected computer |
| 05:48.25 | BuzzardBuzz | sneakernet :) |
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| 05:49.08 | FemaleZ | one is literally on top of the other. no sneakernet required |
| 05:49.18 | BuzzardBuzz | cool :) |
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| 05:52.06 | Equa | Ynnaf: try iotop |
| 05:53.25 | Equa | FemaleZ: usb drive, cd, dvd, or just take out the hard drive and plug it into the other computer |
| 05:53.41 | Ynnaf | thanks, I'll try it. Another question, with hdparm, the standby mode set by the option -C, could harm the lifetime of a hard drive or only sleep does ? |
| 05:54.24 | Equa | Ynnaf: wrong parameters could harm it. |
| 05:54.25 | BuzzardBuzz | http://info4admins.com/tips-to-spindown-your-hard-disk-in-debian-or-ubuntu/ |
| 05:54.53 | FemaleZ | hey, I plugged an ethernet cable into my server and my laptop and nothing happened, wtf???? |
| 05:55.28 | BuzzardBuzz | if the port is old enough, you might need a crossover cable |
| 05:55.44 | BuzzardBuzz | or a switch or a hub |
| 05:56.31 | BuzzardBuzz | newer ethernet ports autodetect that need |
| 05:56.44 | Equa | Ynnaf: You need a dhcp server to assign address to the server / client. You can assign static ip |
| 05:57.07 | Ynnaf | Equa: fail ? |
| 05:57.31 | Equa | Ynnaf: sorry that was suppose to be for FemaleZ |
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| 06:04.12 | Ynnaf | Is there an app for debian to get me a mail if an upgrade is available on my installation ? |
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| 06:04.43 | FemaleZ | now I just feel bad |
| 06:05.06 | FemaleZ | I was kidding about hooking a ethernet cable between the two systems, because I never considered it possible |
| 06:05.11 | FemaleZ | but then my computer crashed |
| 06:05.25 | Equa | Ynnaf: just run apt-get update each week? |
| 06:05.36 | Ynnaf | Is there some kind of rss feed on Jessie for instance ? |
| 06:05.43 | Ynnaf | (upgrade package) |
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| 06:06.04 | Ynnaf | Equa: but how would I know ther *is* an upgrade to make ? |
| 06:06.12 | FemaleZ | anyway... thanks for the help... I never considered the logistics of connecting two computers by ethernet before. that's really cool, using DHCP to assign. definately a good use of an unused port |
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| 06:06.51 | FemaleZ | i happened to have a truecrypt partition on the flash drive I booted from - so I just put the paste on there. The server only has two USB ports, so I was limited |
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| 06:09.21 | FemaleZ | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/f549e6cd/ |
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| 06:09.51 | FemaleZ | anyone got an idea, from the above, how I can figure out the make and model of the DVI (?) cards I have? |
| 06:10.13 | FemaleZ | there are five alike cards in the machine, and then one pci card I don't recognize |
| 06:10.33 | Equa | FemaleZ: lspci | grep VGA |
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| 06:12.35 | FemaleZ | but.... there is only one instance, and I have five alike cards |
| 06:12.43 | FemaleZ | that is what confused me |
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| 06:13.15 | Equa | pastebin your lspci |
| 06:14.14 | FemaleZ | did you check the one above? was a result of "lspci -v" http://paste.debian.net/hidden/f549e6cd/ |
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| 06:14.57 | Equa | FemaleZ: jsut got on recently. let me scroll up and see if it's there |
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| 06:15.21 | FemaleZ | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/f549e6cd/ |
| 06:15.55 | FemaleZ | here (is it blocking my link?) http://paste.debian.net/hidden/f549e6cd/ |
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| 06:17.48 | Equa | FemaleZ: what's the confusion? Your video card is AMD ATI Rage XL |
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| 06:18.51 | FemaleZ | i have five PCI cards that have analog video input ports - each card has four input ports - they are for old style (non-ip) surveillance cameras |
| 06:18.53 | Equa | FemaleZ: the others are just your ethernet, SCSI, USB, etc.. controllers |
| 06:19.29 | Equa | FemaleZ: what line are you on? |
| 06:19.40 | FemaleZ | line? |
| 06:20.23 | Equa | FemaleZ: there is a number on the left side. I.E. 335 is your video card line |
| 06:20.32 | FemaleZ | ah |
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| 06:22.35 | yrp | Hi, I noticed the debian kernels on wheezy are built w/o frame pointers. Whats the easiest way to get a kernel with frame pointers? |
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| 06:23.03 | BuzzardBuzz | FemaleZ: can any writing on the input video cards be read? |
| 06:23.41 | FemaleZ | Equa, no idea. I see nothing unique beside each pci input. I do see the amd ati rage xl, which is located on the motherboard itself and is not a detachable card |
| 06:23.46 | BuzzardBuzz | it looks like you paste doesnt show information about those cards to me |
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| 06:24.09 | FemaleZ | BuzzardBuzz, I guess I am going to have to take apart the box to have a look at them |
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| 06:24.46 | FemaleZ | BuzzardBuzz, is there any other way I might detect them? Even if I can figure out what they are... if they are not being detected at all at this point, that is not a good sign - is it? |
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| 06:25.29 | BuzzardBuzz | i think you are correct about the sign |
| 06:25.35 | FemaleZ | this server sounds like a jet engine |
| 06:25.43 | BuzzardBuzz | cool :) |
| 06:25.55 | Justin417 | Hahaha FemaleZ, imageine sleeping in a room with 3 of those loud beasts |
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| 06:26.18 | Justin417 | And people wonder why I'm always tired ^ :P |
| 06:26.23 | BuzzardBuzz | it is just the high speed fans that maybe could use speed controllers |
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| 06:27.19 | FemaleZ | during the boot they do slow down, but after it boots they go up to full speed again... anyway... not a concern right now. |
| 06:29.48 | BuzzardBuzz | do you need the input video support for your intended use of the server? |
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| 06:32.26 | Equa | FemaleZ: what are you trying to do? |
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| 06:34.57 | Vainglory | are there any mirrors that are provided over https? |
| 06:36.24 | BuzzardBuzz | https://www.debian.org/mirror/ |
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| 06:37.28 | Vainglory | BuzzardBuzz: that doesn't show any https mirrors. i looked at https://www.debian.org/mirror/list and could not see any, and even searched the source of that page for https |
| 06:37.57 | BuzzardBuzz | so the cached page is bad now? |
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| 06:38.28 | Vainglory | cached page? not sure what you're referring to. |
| 06:38.46 | BuzzardBuzz | what country do you want for the mirror? |
| 06:38.54 | Vainglory | the us preferably |
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| 06:39.47 | FemaleZ | BuzzardBuzz, Equa, I'm trying to build a RAIC (redudant array of inexpensive cameras) to surveillance my house and make sure no spooks break in on a sneak and peak warrant to install a keylogger in my grub bootloader when I'm outside buying food |
| 06:40.12 | BuzzardBuzz | Vainglory: so it shows ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ for usa |
| 06:40.28 | Vainglory | ok, and that's still not https. |
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| 06:40.49 | Equa | Vainglory: this might interest you http://askubuntu.com/questions/352952/are-repository-lists-secure-is-there-an-https-version |
| 06:40.55 | BuzzardBuzz | so you can't use ftp then |
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| 06:41.19 | Vainglory | Equa: i think you're not understanding what i want |
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| 06:41.41 | FemaleZ | BuzzardBuzz, Equa, I know that I *could* just run a checksum on my bootloader every time I boot, and / or carry around my bootloader on a flash drive === but, I also don't want spooks installing microphones in my walls either. |
| 06:41.43 | Equa | Vainglory: the mirror list doesn't have https |
| 06:41.54 | duoi | theoretically, if i sudo apt-get update & upgrade my vps, which hasn't been updated for 4-5 months, would i break anything? :D |
| 06:41.56 | FemaleZ | puts on another layer of tinfoil hat |
| 06:42.05 | Vainglory | Equa: any specific reason(s) why? |
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| 06:42.30 | Equa | Vainglory: read the link i gave you. it answers why in there |
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| 06:42.55 | Vainglory | Equa: yes yes, public key crypto ensures that it's what i want to download. but it does not do the same as https. |
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| 06:43.34 | Equa | Vainglory: you can't get https if they dont' offer it over https. You're only allow what the server offers |
| 06:43.39 | BuzzardBuzz | FemaleZ input video software for the existing cards may only exist in non-free form |
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| 06:44.30 | Vainglory | https/crypto will prevent others from seeing what exactly i'm downloading/upgrading, and will prevent certain metadata. http/crypto doesn't do that. which, i'd prefer it the https way considering i'm constantly in cafes, libraries, and other public places. |
| 06:44.51 | Equa | FemaleZ: how about doing a password protection on your grub2 |
| 06:45.08 | Vainglory | FemaleZ: a bios password works too. |
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| 06:45.11 | BuzzardBuzz | Vainglory: use a VPN if you want your privacy about what you are getting |
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| 06:45.41 | FemaleZ | BuzzardBuzz, I know it may not exist |
| 06:45.46 | Vainglory | BuzzardBuzz: might as well use tor if i'm to go to such an extreme for software upgrades/installs |
| 06:46.18 | BuzzardBuzz | well, i prefer to just use a VPN for that issue |
| 06:46.38 | Equa | Vainglory: if you're over a cafe internet... use a ssh tunneling setup. |
| 06:47.11 | FemaleZ | Equa, grub2 password protection doesn't work against hard drive removal. BuzzardBuzz, bios password doesn't help either. |
| 06:47.28 | Vainglory | FemaleZ: not sure what you're wanting then |
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| 06:47.48 | FemaleZ | Vainglory, I have the same concerns. I download a lot of sketchy packages and updates, and I have real concerns about the metadata being produced and logged |
| 06:47.48 | Vainglory | Equa: it's fine, i was just hoping there was some https link(s) i've missed. |
| 06:47.52 | Equa | FemaleZ: nothing stops them from taking the computer if you're not there to stop them |
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| 06:48.14 | FemaleZ | Equa, taking it is fine. I just don't want them to be able to decrypt it if they do |
| 06:48.21 | Vainglory | FemaleZ: what does your threat model look like? who are you defending against? |
| 06:48.23 | Equa | FemaleZ: you can encrypt your sensitive data |
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| 06:48.42 | FemaleZ | Vainglory, an adversary with near unlimited resources and time |
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| 06:49.19 | Vainglory | FemaleZ: so, nsa? lol. when you install a debian system ( at least graphically ) you are prompted for an encrypted lvm. that will give you luks encryption which is fairly well setup. |
| 06:49.30 | FemaleZ | Equa, encryption doesn't help if they can replace/modify the bootloader, capture my password, then retrieve both the password and encrypted data together |
| 06:49.55 | Vainglory | FemaleZ: which, is a possibility with an 'evil maid' attack. |
| 06:50.04 | Equa | FemaleZ: if they have unlimited resources... time is just the only key element |
| 06:50.14 | FemaleZ | again... if spooks can get physical access to your hardware twice, then yes, the "evil maid" |
| 06:50.41 | FemaleZ | I have no maid thouh, and my house is made of brick and cyinderblock with no windows |
| 06:50.47 | FemaleZ | so... cameras. |
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| 06:51.07 | Vainglory | is this a genuine threat? |
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| 06:51.22 | Vainglory | or just merely a possibility? |
| 06:52.15 | Vainglory | funny that i bring up downloading through tor https://github.com/diocles/apt-transport-tor |
| 06:52.16 | FemaleZ | Vainglory, in my mind it is genuine. with the metadata I've produced downloading packages by http and not using a vpn/tor... |
| 06:53.09 | Vainglory | FemaleZ: pm me |
| 06:53.11 | trewas | FemaleZ: which debian package is such that downloading it will send black helicopters to get you? |
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| 06:53.40 | FemaleZ | i usually use a double hop chained openvpn to download everything, but then I was booting from a live CD and it was tossing data around, so I just decided to "fuck it" and download at full bandwidth... thus releasing into the wild (my isp) the packages I seek |
| 06:54.09 | FemaleZ | trewas, parrot OS and related packages |
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| 06:55.17 | FemaleZ | i was really shocked when I moved from windows to linux that most distros (including debian of course) are still dependant on http for repos |
| 06:55.37 | Vainglory | i don't think downloading parrot os is going to bring the nations of the world against you. |
| 06:55.47 | FemaleZ | security through obscurity is not something to be relied on - but it sure doesn't hurt! |
| 06:55.47 | trewas | also it does not seem to be in debian mirrors |
| 06:56.06 | Vainglory | parrot os in my cursory glance of it appears to be like kali linux ( which use to be backtrack linux ) |
| 06:56.14 | Vainglory | which has nothing to do with debian |
| 06:56.30 | FemaleZ | Vainglory, that's why i said "fuck it" - but, the concern is that it might get me on "shorter lists" which could examine other activities i engage in |
| 06:56.51 | Vainglory | now, if you're doing something illegal with one of these operating systems ( debian included ) then that of course would give anyone valid cause to view you closer. |
| 06:56.54 | FemaleZ | parrot is like kali, but was developed seperate |
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| 06:57.23 | FemaleZ | Vainglory, all I'm doing is sending tons of data in and out of a multiple hop vpn connection and building a secure box |
| 06:57.29 | Vainglory | so unless you're ddosing mastercard/visa/american express or breaking into hbgary i think you have nothing to worry about. |
| 06:57.40 | Vainglory | lol |
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| 06:57.45 | FemaleZ | Vainglory, people get v& for less than that |
| 06:58.30 | FemaleZ | plus I grow a lot of weed, and there are undesireable files on all of my encrypted systems (windows mostly - was on that for a long time) |
| 06:58.48 | FemaleZ | this is more of an -offtopic discussion though, and I'm banned from -offtopic |
| 06:58.50 | shingouz | FemaleZ: Vainglory what has all this got to do with debian support? |
| 06:59.09 | Vainglory | shingous: that's the joke, it doesn't. which is why i told them to pm me |
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| 06:59.37 | FemaleZ | hey cool. I'm not banned from -offtopic on this IP |
| 07:00.01 | Vainglory | FemaleZ: care if i pm you? |
| 07:00.18 | FemaleZ | Vainglory, go ahead. I'm also in -offtopic |
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| 07:06.42 | ribis | hello, is there any way to know of any compatibility issue regarding the installation on a lenovo x3100 m5 ? |
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| 07:11.44 | shingouz | ribis: as usual google is your friend. of course, if the hardware is brand spanking new, maybe you are the first one to try an install on it. mostly installs go smoothly these days |
| 07:14.00 | BuzzardBuzz | red hat and SUSE are supported OS for that lenovo x3100 m5, according to the advertisement |
| 07:14.02 | shingouz | ribis: another way to check for hardware support would be to use a live debian and do some hardware sleuthing with it |
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| 07:15.18 | ribis | shingouz: unfortunately the vendor tells me that he can't give it back in case something doesn't work in case of compatibility issues, go figure what that means |
| 07:15.28 | ribis | shingouz: so I cannot try that one with a live |
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| 07:16.05 | Equa | ribis: you can boot form a live cd. no installation |
| 07:16.10 | ribis | anyway, I'm asking here because I had no luck with google and maybe you know a valid source of compatibilities for something like servers that I expect to be really common |
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| 07:16.23 | shingouz | ribis: so what the vendor says is that you buy a pig in a poke, and that he is not going to stand behind his products? i would steer clear of that place |
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| 07:16.41 | ribis | shingouz: yes I'll clarify that |
| 07:16.43 | BuzzardBuzz | my thoughts exactly |
| 07:16.46 | ribis | thanks for pointing that out |
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| 07:16.58 | ribis | that was already on the list :) |
| 07:17.23 | daeo | abrotman: hello |
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| 07:18.22 | ribis | what I understood the first time is that if there is any issue on sw not specified as compatibile I cannot give that back |
| 07:18.32 | ribis | and that has also some sense |
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| 07:19.53 | shingouz | ribis: basically if debian breaks the hardware, you are stuck with the dead hardware. and if course they will consider the hardware broken if some chipset is unsupported.... |
| 07:20.17 | ribis | http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/hardware/201411-16221/ who knows how that differs from debian.. |
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| 07:22.04 | shingouz | ribis: what you are looking for is if the linux kernel can support all the bits and pieces of hardware. if it can run ubuntu on some specific kernel, it should be able to run debian on a similar (or later) kernel. all the desktops and other gizmos are irrelevant |
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| 07:22.47 | ribis | shingouz: yes but I don't know how the ubuntu kernels are configured/patchet/etc.. |
| 07:23.00 | ribis | so I don't know if there are any relevant differences between the debian patched ones |
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| 07:24.17 | ribis | 3.13.0-24, jessie has 3.16 right? |
| 07:24.18 | shingouz | ribis: check the changelogs... debian kernels have been pretty vanilla kernel.org and i doubt ubuntu would slap any serious binary blobs into them |
| 07:24.30 | cypher708 | hmmm, i got a request from the german banking control institute regarding the logwatch issue. will there be a apache2.2.2 update in the next few days? |
| 07:24.32 | ribis | what about firmwares ? |
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| 07:25.21 | BuzzardBuzz | do you intend to run vmware on the hardware ribis? |
| 07:25.41 | ribis | BuzzardBuzz: no I don't, but who knows :) |
| 07:25.49 | XeonSquared | what package do I want to install to enable a display manager? |
| 07:26.14 | shingouz | !tell ribis about firmware |
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| 07:30.15 | cypher708 | since im sitting on wheezy and im not able to update complete serverfarms with compiled by hands binaries, a reverse proxy would me my best bet, hm? |
| 07:30.36 | cypher708 | wheezy just doenst let me fix the logjam issue. |
| 07:31.24 | cypher708 | or changing the openssl lib :/ |
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| 07:32.28 | cypher708 | any info input is highly appreciated |
| 07:32.36 | cypher708 | feel free to pm me |
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| 07:42.31 | jvelasquez | Aloha. Today, when I intended to print a little pdf, then quickly pressed stop on my printer, and then went to delete the job as I wanted to change it's zoom, I discovered that CUPS seems to have a record of all my print jobs, and all their data, that I've ever sent to print. I was a little shocked by the details. I guess I just forgot that my computer could have been keeping all that data, for all this time. Does your CUPS s |
| 07:42.31 | jvelasquez | ave all your print jobs since the beginning of time? |
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| 07:51.01 | greppy | system clock question: hwclock is correct, but on reboot the system time is set 6 hours in the past, both system and hardware clock are using UTC. Suggestions/solutions? |
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| 07:51.44 | themill | greppy: "system time" as measured how? |
| 07:51.52 | Equa | greppy: what is your time zone |
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| 07:51.59 | greppy | I have already tried hwclock --systohc --utc and hwclock --hctosys --utc, but on a reboot the same thing happens, hwclock shows the correct time but 'date' shows -6 hours. |
| 07:52.09 | greppy | themill: using 'date' |
| 07:52.09 | themill | greppy: is "date --utc" right? |
| 07:52.12 | greppy | yes |
| 07:52.16 | themill | !tz |
| 07:52.17 | dpkg | A time zone is the standard time (aka local time) in a particular region. To change the timezone on Debian systems, execute "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata". Alternatively: "cp -b /usr/share/zoneinfo/$TZ /etc/localtime". Note that tzselect(1) does not change the timezone. Postfix users: execute "service postfix restart" to update localtime in the chroot. |
| 07:52.18 | greppy | date and date --utc are the same. |
| 07:52.35 | greppy | the hwclock is set to UTC, the TZ is set to utc |
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| 07:52.48 | greppy | /etc/timezone has "Etc/UTC" |
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| 07:52.57 | themill | so the clock isn't wrong, the TZ is wrong |
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| 07:55.00 | greppy | but if I do a hwclock -s --utc the system time ( 'date' ) is set correctly |
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| 07:57.29 | themill | what's the actual output of 'date'? It sounds like it was correct before so if it has changed, it cannot be correct now. |
| 07:58.00 | themill | (or even better, date; date --utc) |
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| 08:06.38 | greppy | themill: $ date |
| 08:06.40 | greppy | Thu Jun 25 02:05:41 UTC 2015 |
| 08:06.48 | greppy | $ date --utc |
| 08:06.51 | greppy | Thu Jun 25 02:05:45 UTC 2015 |
| 08:06.54 | themill | So neither of those are right |
| 08:07.16 | themill | !date |
| 08:07.16 | dpkg | The current date is 2015.06.25 8:07:16 (UTC of course, this is *NIX) |
| 08:07.25 | greppy | $ sudo hwclock -r |
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| 08:07.31 | greppy | Thu 25 Jun 2015 08:06:05 AM UTC -0.849295 seconds |
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| 08:08.53 | themill | so that looks right |
| 08:09.44 | greppy | yup and if I set the date, either by using sudo date $foo or hwclock -s, it corrects the output of 'date' and 'date --utc' but after reboot it goes back to being 6 hours off. |
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| 08:10.20 | themill | do you dual boot with some other OS? |
| 08:10.24 | greppy | nope |
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| 08:11.04 | greppy | ( it is a VM running on ESXi, but the other two VMs don't show this behavior ) |
| 08:12.20 | justanotherusr | I'm trying to figure out how to set my default browser. I've set it as chromium in kde system settings, x-www-browser and even gnome-www-browser just in case. Any idea why icedove still opens thunderbird? |
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| 08:14.39 | shingouz | justanotherusr: thunderbird is an email client, not the browser... |
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| 08:19.54 | greppy | justanotherusr: thunderbird may have it's own browser setting somewhere in preferences. |
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| 08:30.31 | phale | has anyone here tried Debian 8.1 on Thinkpad 230? |
| 08:30.33 | phale | x230* |
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| 08:36.40 | Iridos | dpkg, anyone tried debian 8.1 on a thinkpad x230? |
| 08:36.41 | dpkg | i don't know, Iridos |
| 08:36.48 | Iridos | dpkg, anyone use debian 8.1 on a thinkpad x230? |
| 08:36.48 | dpkg | No, no one uses debian 8.1 on a thinkpad x230, not even the people who use it. |
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| 08:36.56 | Iridos | right |
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| 08:38.07 | newbsduser | hello, how can i mount trueffs /dev/tffsa1 raw disc image on linux? if yes what do i need? |
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| 08:41.01 | rmblrd21 | hello. nautilus/files has the del key disabled in debian 8. how to enable it? |
| 08:42.07 | Iridos | newbsduser, wtf is trueffs... oh.. makes more sense if you write it TrueFFS... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_file_system#TrueFFS --> "Externally, TrueFFS presents a normal hard disk interface." <-- so you mount it like any other hard-disk |
| 08:43.19 | newbsduser | i cant see partition table |
| 08:43.20 | newbsduser | with |
| 08:43.29 | newbsduser | fdisk -l tffsda1.img |
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| 08:43.40 | newbsduser | Iridos, |
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| 08:47.19 | arpc | Is there a discsussion to fix this in debian? |
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| 08:47.39 | arpc | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1141137 |
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| 08:49.11 | Iridos | newbsduser, make one? |
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| 08:56.05 | deepy | How do I get $1 to work in a shell script? It just gets printed as $1 for me :( |
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| 08:56.25 | greppy | deepy: how are you trying to print it? |
| 08:56.30 | FemaleZ | excuse me, but I have a #debian support question. it appears that "#debian-offtopic :Cannot send to channel" |
| 08:56.37 | greppy | what is the line from the script? |
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| 08:56.59 | hit_ | Hello guys, since I updated to Jessie, I cant run cmus, it just segfaults at start, anyone else having the same problem? |
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| 08:57.40 | deepy | I'm trying to pass it to curl, I'm doing /usr/bin/curl -X POST --data-urlencode 'payload={"channel": "#alerts", "username": "nagios", "text": "$1 ${2} $3"}' |
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| 08:57.57 | themill | deepy: $foo is not expanded inside single quotes |
| 08:58.21 | deepy | oh, right, crap, thought that was part of the json |
| 08:58.27 | greppy | deepy: switch your use of ' and ", anyting in single quotes is printed literally, even if you have double quotes inside the single quotes |
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| 09:00.04 | kcccccc | How to solve this? http://pastebin.com/GwmUQhNW |
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| 09:00.39 | deepy | greppy: that's not valid json, but I escaped the " inside and it works fine now :-) |
| 09:00.56 | themill | dpkg: tell kcccccc about skype |
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| 09:05.26 | justanotherusr | shingouz: I meant iceweasel |
| 09:08.01 | justanotherusr | greppy: I would think so, but basically everything opens in iceweasel. |
| 09:08.12 | justanotherusr | Terminator which also opens in iceweasel support forum said "it's based on the default browser for your system I'm afraid, so changing it will make clicking on ANY link outside of a browser load up in the browser you set. " |
| 09:08.36 | justanotherusr | I'm thinking its a conflict with KDE maybe? |
| 09:08.57 | justanotherusr | even though I changed it in both KDE and x-www-browser |
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| 09:17.13 | greppy | justanotherusr: what is www-browser set to? |
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| 09:19.52 | ledufakademy | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tztEwUsl2QA |
| 09:20.01 | ledufakademy | oups sorry |
| 09:20.35 | kcccccc | themill: thanks ! |
| 09:21.09 | phale | is it bad to install a wheezy package on a jessie system? |
| 09:21.16 | phale | turns out my thinkpad doesn't have a WiFi driver |
| 09:21.30 | phale | so I can't connect to the internet and install the package myself |
| 09:23.17 | jelly | phale: it's a little bad but not a lot |
| 09:23.45 | phale | jelly: oh okay |
| 09:23.49 | SynrGy | which package, and how is this going to solve things? |
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| 09:24.14 | phale | SynrGy: firmware-realtek |
| 09:24.35 | justanotherusr | greppy: * 1 /usr/bin/chromium 40 manual mode |
| 09:24.51 | SynrGy | phale: and why not install the jessie version of that? |
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| 09:25.01 | phale | SynrGy: i don't have jessie on my PC |
| 09:25.16 | SynrGy | phale: ... |
| 09:25.28 | jelly | phale: you just said "<phale> is it bad to install a wheezy package on a jessie system?" |
| 09:25.39 | jelly | so which is it |
| 09:25.49 | SynrGy | phale: we're talking about two systems, then? what are you doing, copying the deb from the PC to the laptop, then? |
| 09:26.01 | phale | SynrGy: pretty much |
| 09:26.03 | SynrGy | phale: if the desktop is fine, why not just download the jessie deb ... |
| 09:26.11 | phale | because it can't connect to the network |
| 09:26.15 | phale | it needs the wifi driver |
| 09:26.20 | SynrGy | phale: no reason to do "a little bad" things if you still have connectivity to the internet |
| 09:26.28 | bazhang | ,v aptoncd |
| 09:26.29 | judd | Package: aptoncd on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.1.98+bzr117-1.1; wheezy: 0.1.98+bzr117-1.2; stretch: 0.1.98+bzr117-1.4; jessie: 0.1.98+bzr117-1.4; sid: 0.1.98+bzr117-1.4 |
| 09:26.37 | SynrGy | phale: "it". clearly you're online ... |
| 09:26.49 | SynrGy | phale: download the deb for jessie wherever you are. |
| 09:26.55 | SynrGy | phale: copy it to the laptop. install. |
| 09:27.33 | phale | so it doesnt matter if Ihave wheezy? |
| 09:27.48 | SynrGy | phale: ? to use a web browser to download a jessie deb? i think not. |
| 09:28.00 | SynrGy | phale: packages.debian.org/firmware-realtek |
| 09:28.15 | phale | only has the source |
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| 09:28.19 | SynrGy | not true |
| 09:28.29 | SynrGy | guess you're not clicking through to the deb |
| 09:28.41 | phale | oh, nevermind I found it |
| 09:28.45 | phale | thanks for the help |
| 09:28.46 | SynrGy | np |
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| 09:33.20 | Iridos | to make copy of /, /boot and /home to a 2nd disk before upgrade... rsync -aHv / /other/disk would be sufficient? do I need/want other options to rsync? do I need --exclude /other/disk (I think rsync catches automatically that destination is part of the source?) |
| 09:33.34 | phale | SynrGy: ok well uh i installed it |
| 09:33.37 | phale | but how do i connect to my network |
| 09:34.11 | SynrGy | and reboot? |
| 09:34.21 | phale | i should rebot? |
| 09:34.36 | SynrGy | or reload the driver. rebooting is probably easiest |
| 09:35.05 | SynrGy | note: the firmware is not the driver. it's just the firmware. |
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| 09:35.49 | phale | oh okay |
| 09:35.52 | phale | and my network should work? |
| 09:36.08 | SynrGy | probably. unless you have another issue ... but we can cross that bridge when we get to it |
| 09:36.33 | phale | "Disconnected, The network connection has been disconnected" |
| 09:36.42 | phale | well, I need to supply the WiFi information, how do I do this |
| 09:36.58 | SynrGy | you're on the default desktop, gnome? |
| 09:37.02 | phale | xfce |
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| 09:37.11 | SynrGy | and it uses what, NetworkManager? |
| 09:37.14 | SynrGy | i forget |
| 09:37.16 | phale | dunno |
| 09:37.26 | SynrGy | there's an icon for the network on your panel? |
| 09:37.36 | phale | yes |
| 09:37.42 | SynrGy | clicking that should show nearby networks |
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| 09:38.00 | phale | you mean on the start menu or whatever |
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| 09:38.06 | SynrGy | no ... |
| 09:38.09 | SynrGy | in the system tray |
| 09:38.14 | phale | oh then its not there |
| 09:38.29 | phale | just two laptops sitting next to each other with an X on the bottom right corner |
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| 09:38.34 | phale | no nearby networks detected |
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| 09:39.22 | SynrGy | er, what? i can't visualize what you just described. please try: |
| 09:39.26 | SynrGy | pgrep -l nm-applet |
| 09:39.39 | phale | 878 nm-applet |
| 09:40.00 | SynrGy | so yes, it's running |
| 09:40.07 | phale | ok cool |
| 09:40.29 | SynrGy | so there should be an icon associated with that on your panel, and if you click it, you should see some info about networks |
| 09:40.59 | phale | it just says |
| 09:41.02 | phale | Ethernet Network |
| 09:41.05 | phale | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:41.10 | phale | VPN Connections -> |
| 09:41.29 | SynrGy | and no "Wi-Fi Networks"? |
| 09:41.33 | phale | no |
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| 09:41.36 | SynrGy | this is after a reboot, right? |
| 09:41.39 | phale | yep |
| 09:41.43 | phale | i did shutdown -r now |
| 09:42.09 | SynrGy | is this a built in card or a USB dongle? |
| 09:42.18 | phale | built-in |
| 09:42.27 | SynrGy | it's possible you simply toggled the wifi off by the wifi key |
| 09:42.49 | phale | nope |
| 09:42.53 | SynrGy | your laptop should have one. possibly accessed with special 'Fn' key |
| 09:42.59 | phale | the wifi logo on my laptop is green |
| 09:43.16 | SynrGy | try: lspci -nn | grep -i network |
| 09:43.35 | rmblrd21 | hello. nautilus/files has the del key disabled in debian 8. how to enable it? |
| 09:43.43 | winterss | hi |
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| 09:44.09 | phale | SynrGy: bash: lscpi: command not found |
| 09:44.21 | SynrGy | phale: try typing it correctly |
| 09:44.32 | SynrGy | ;) |
| 09:44.36 | phale | yeah taht worked |
| 09:44.58 | SynrGy | i need to see the pciid at the end. looks like [####:####] with hex digits |
| 09:45.02 | phale | Ethernet controller [0200]: Intel Corporation 82579LM Gigabit Network Connection [8086:1502] (rev 04) |
| 09:45.28 | SynrGy | no ... |
| 09:45.29 | SynrGy | wrong one |
| 09:45.33 | phale | how |
| 09:46.00 | SynrGy | that's your Ethernet controller. apparently the wireless is not visible |
| 09:46.10 | SynrGy | that usually only happens if it is toggled off |
| 09:46.14 | phale | is it possible i installed the wrong firmware? |
| 09:46.30 | SynrGy | wouldn't make a difference here |
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| 09:46.39 | phale | strange |
| 09:46.44 | SynrGy | how about the entire output of 'lspci -nn', please |
| 09:46.46 | phale | the wifi lamp is glowing green |
| 09:46.50 | phale | sure but I can't copy it |
| 09:46.55 | SynrGy | well, you could try toggling it ... |
| 09:47.02 | SynrGy | then do the lspci command again |
| 09:47.06 | phale | it is toggled |
| 09:47.32 | SynrGy | does toggling it change the state of the lamp? |
| 09:47.38 | phale | yes |
| 09:47.43 | phale | off is no light and on is green light |
| 09:47.52 | SynrGy | does it change the output of that lspci command? |
| 09:47.57 | phale | nope |
| 09:48.10 | SynrGy | try it without piping it to grep and see if you can identify a line that has your wireless in it |
| 09:48.27 | SynrGy | "Ethernet Controller" is clearly not your wireless :) |
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| 09:49.04 | SynrGy | for example, on my system my wireless reads: |
| 09:49.05 | SynrGy | 02:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Qualcomm Atheros AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) [168c:002b] (rev 01) |
| 09:49.09 | phale | Communication controller? |
| 09:49.43 | SynrGy | well, that would be an odd designation. what's the pciid for that? |
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| 09:49.57 | phale | 8086:1e3a |
| 09:50.03 | SynrGy | ,pciid [8086:1e3a] |
| 09:50.05 | judd | [8086:1e3a] is '7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family MEI Controller #1' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:1e3a |
| 09:50.38 | SynrGy | i don't think so |
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| 09:51.57 | SynrGy | phale: all indications here are that your wifi is disabled at boot. the lamp status notwithstanding, it appears to be invisible to the operating system |
| 09:52.04 | phale | yeah |
| 09:52.07 | SynrGy | phale: this is not *simply* a matter of missing driver or firmware |
| 09:52.08 | phale | so what do I do? |
| 09:52.13 | SynrGy | but "the device isn't there" |
| 09:52.34 | phale | I didn't use any mirrors or anything network-wise during the installation |
| 09:52.38 | phale | since I couldn't |
| 09:52.39 | SynrGy | see if you can boot to the BIOS screen, check if there's some setting to enable/disable the wireless |
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| 09:52.46 | phale | BIOS screen? |
| 09:52.47 | SynrGy | ensure it's enabled |
| 09:52.53 | phale | you mean where I selected to install from USB? |
| 09:53.23 | phale | Boot menu? |
| 09:53.35 | SynrGy | before the boot menu. usually some special key to access |
| 09:53.46 | SynrGy | it varies per hardware: F1, etc. |
| 09:53.49 | Equa | phale: F1,F2,F4,F10,F12,del or some kinda key to that sort |
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| 09:54.19 | SynrGy | unless the BIOS is configured to hide it from you should say on the bottom line "Press F1 to setup" or some such |
| 09:54.35 | SynrGy | and you have to press it quickly before it gets to the grub boot menu and so forth |
| 09:54.51 | phale | all I have is |
| 09:54.53 | phale | "Setup" |
| 09:54.56 | phale | "Diagnostic Splash Screen" |
| 09:54.59 | phale | "Lenovo Diagnostics" |
| 09:55.02 | SynrGy | "Setup" is the one |
| 09:55.14 | phale | ok now it's giving me some information about my UEFI and some CPU stuff |
| 09:55.35 | SynrGy | and maybe an entry called "Integrated Peripherals" or so? |
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| 09:55.49 | phale | nope |
| 09:55.55 | phale | there's a Network entry in Config |
| 09:55.57 | phale | should I check that out? |
| 09:55.59 | SynrGy | yes |
| 09:56.11 | phale | "Wake On Lan" [AC Only] |
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| 09:56.17 | phale | "Ethernet LAN Option ROM" [Enabled] |
| 09:58.03 | SynrGy | i was waiting for other options ... |
| 09:58.06 | SynrGy | nothing? |
| 09:58.08 | phale | nothing. |
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| 09:59.10 | SynrGy | well, you're probably in the wrong menu. iteratively search through each one, i guess. |
| 09:59.38 | phale | I found an entry named Network Boot |
| 09:59.42 | phale | [PCI LAN: IBA GE] |
| 09:59.42 | SynrGy | no |
| 09:59.45 | phale | ok |
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| 09:59.56 | phale | well there's nothing wi-fi related anymore i can find |
| 10:00.22 | SynrGy | is this the sole operating system on the laptop? |
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| 10:01.10 | phale | what do you mean? |
| 10:01.11 | SynrGy | i.e. could we test in another OS that wifi works? |
| 10:01.17 | phale | no |
| 10:01.24 | SynrGy | is it a recent install of Debian? |
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| 10:01.28 | phale | very recent |
| 10:01.39 | SynrGy | did wifi work with the previous OS? |
| 10:01.45 | phale | there was no previous OS |
| 10:01.49 | phale | this is a new laptop |
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| 10:03.10 | SynrGy | i would really like to see more output from it. let's run some commands, copy the output to files, copy those files via USB to your PC, and paste to paste.debian.net |
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| 10:03.23 | SynrGy | lspci -nn |
| 10:03.35 | SynrGy | lsusb |
| 10:04.07 | phale | ok sure |
| 10:04.10 | phale | just a second let me reboot |
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| 10:05.04 | SynrGy | phale: also, we could install the rfkill deb on it, same way as you installed firmware-realtek |
| 10:05.12 | SynrGy | phale: and then give me the output of: rfkill list |
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| 10:05.41 | phale | okay sure |
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| 10:06.03 | phale | "Wi-Fi networks available" |
| 10:06.05 | phale | it works now???? |
| 10:06.20 | phale | i didnt even do anything lol |
| 10:06.22 | SynrGy | from toggling Wi-Fi and rebooting with it toggled, i think |
| 10:06.26 | phale | yeah! |
| 10:06.30 | phale | thanks for all the help though |
| 10:06.32 | SynrGy | np |
| 10:06.39 | SynrGy | pretty sure the lamp was lying |
| 10:06.47 | phale | strange |
| 10:06.56 | phale | when I connect to my password protected wifi router |
| 10:07.02 | phale | it says Disconnected immediately |
| 10:07.23 | SynrGy | well, now retry this command: 'lspci -nn |grep -i network' |
| 10:07.29 | SynrGy | and get the pciid for the wireless |
| 10:08.07 | phale | Network Controller [0280]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8188CE 802.11b/g/n WiFi Adapter [10ec:8176] (rev 01) |
| 10:08.19 | SynrGy | ,v [10ec:8176] |
| 10:08.21 | judd | No package named '[10ec:8176]' was found in amd64. |
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| 10:08.25 | SynrGy | oopsie |
| 10:08.29 | SynrGy | ,pciid [10ec:8176] |
| 10:08.30 | judd | [10ec:8176] is 'RTL8188CE 802.11b/g/n WiFi Adapter' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with kernel module 'rtl8192ce' in jessie. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8176 http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x |
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| 10:10.31 | SynrGy | https://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x#rtl8192ce |
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| 10:10.50 | phale | oh okay |
| 10:10.51 | SynrGy | phale: read that thing about 'intermittent connection loss' and try that workaround |
| 10:13.39 | phale | okay I made the config |
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| 10:13.43 | phale | gonna try it out now |
| 10:13.50 | SynrGy | yep. crossing fingers :) |
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| 10:14.16 | SynrGy | oh, crap. i misread rtl8192ce |
| 10:14.24 | SynrGy | you have rtl8188ce |
| 10:14.33 | phale | oh god |
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| 10:15.02 | SynrGy | well, it's harmless |
| 10:15.14 | phale | yeah it is |
| 10:15.46 | phale | it still doesnt work |
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| 10:16.30 | SynrGy | oh ... |
| 10:16.41 | SynrGy | rtl8192ce *is* your driver, though |
| 10:16.51 | SynrGy | RTL8188CE is listed under it |
| 10:17.07 | SynrGy | well, what did you try after the change? did you reboot? |
| 10:18.00 | phale | yes |
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| 10:18.31 | phale | still disconnects immediately |
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| 10:19.08 | SynrG | Password wrong? I think we need to see logs at this point |
| 10:19.51 | phale | I didnt enter any password |
| 10:19.53 | phale | though |
| 10:20.03 | phale | where are the logs |
| 10:20.15 | SynrG | As root, journalctl -u NetworkManager |
| 10:20.48 | phale | something about radio killswitches |
| 10:20.52 | SynrG | Assuming you're on systemd which is the default init |
| 10:20.52 | phale | wifi |
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| 10:20.55 | phale | yeah I am |
| 10:21.16 | phale | ok I found the problem |
| 10:21.27 | SynrG | Copy the whole thing to your PC |
| 10:21.38 | phale | (wlan0): device state change: need-auth -> failed (reason 'no-secrets') [60 120 7] |
| 10:21.39 | phale | oh okay |
| 10:21.40 | SynrG | Paste to paste.debian.net |
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| 10:24.17 | future28 | Hi, I have a thinkpad dock. When I connect it, I seem to have network issues - I think that debian is trying to use the dock ethernet, when I just want to use wifi all the time. How could I work around this? |
| 10:25.00 | phale | http://codepad.org/dMs8AAb3 |
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| 10:29.26 | phale | SynrG: now what? |
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| 10:30.29 | SynrG | phale: it appears you have the password for the network wrong |
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| 10:31.21 | phale | SynrG: i didnt enter one though .. |
| 10:31.27 | phale | didnt ask me |
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| 10:32.45 | SynrG | er? |
| 10:32.49 | SynrG | then forget that network |
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| 10:33.05 | SynrG | i mean, remove whatever configuration it has for it. I assume "Moreno" is your network? |
| 10:33.09 | phale | yep |
| 10:33.18 | SynrG | it must've remembered it from your prior failed attempts |
| 10:33.29 | SynrG | now it's trying to use an incorrectly entered password (or no password at all) |
| 10:33.33 | phale | how do I forget it? |
| 10:33.48 | SynrG | right-click, "Edit Connections..." |
| 10:34.07 | phale | if I right click it just disconnects again |
| 10:34.15 | SynrG | find it, delete it |
| 10:34.24 | SynrG | *right* click? |
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| 10:34.34 | SynrG | it should show you a menu with "Edit Connections..." in it |
| 10:34.35 | phale | yes, right click |
| 10:34.36 | phale | no menu |
| 10:34.38 | phale | just disconnect |
| 10:34.42 | SynrG | on the icon in the panel? |
| 10:34.49 | phale | oh |
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| 10:34.59 | SynrG | sorry. |
| 10:35.04 | SynrG | how unclear of me :) |
| 10:35.06 | phale | "Authenticate to delete the selected connection" |
| 10:35.14 | phale | this? |
| 10:35.18 | SynrG | yes. i guess you've saved it system-wide? |
| 10:35.23 | phale | yep |
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| 10:35.33 | SynrG | then yes, authenticate and delete it |
| 10:35.36 | phale | now what? |
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| 10:35.55 | SynrG | left-click and find your network. connect to it. it should prompt for your password |
| 10:36.01 | SynrG | enter the password correctly. should connect |
| 10:36.11 | phale | actually I connected to it |
| 10:36.17 | phale | I edited the entry and put the password inside that entry |
| 10:36.21 | phale | didnt have to delete it |
| 10:36.24 | SynrG | or that |
| 10:36.26 | phale | yeah |
| 10:36.30 | phale | it works super fine now, thanks |
| 10:36.37 | SynrG | my reason for suggesting to delete it was to start with a clean slate |
| 10:36.43 | SynrG | but yeah, great. |
| 10:36.50 | Arone | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOYRj9jCGtE |
| 10:36.51 | Arone | enjoy |
| 10:36.59 | Arone | ousp fail |
| 10:37.04 | Arone | wrong chan sorry |
| 10:37.29 | phale | very strange |
| 10:37.37 | phale | when I try to access the web browser it shows a terminal for a split second |
| 10:37.40 | phale | and doesnt start |
| 10:37.50 | phale | oh wait i don't have one lol |
| 10:37.57 | SynrG | you have no web browser? |
| 10:37.59 | phale | nope |
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| 10:38.08 | phale | I only installed the first XFCE i386 CD of debian jessie |
| 10:38.13 | phale | not to worry, i'll install it myself |
| 10:38.14 | SynrG | ah |
| 10:38.18 | SynrG | have fun! |
| 10:38.22 | phale | okay thanks for all the help |
| 10:38.31 | SynrG | np. it was ... interesting :) |
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| 10:39.30 | phale | one more thing |
| 10:39.39 | phale | the sources.list mirrors aren't there |
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| 10:39.42 | phale | is it okay if I add them myself |
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| 10:45.05 | at0m|c | phale: you only have cdrom for repository there? |
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| 10:48.46 | at0m|c | phale: if so, then add the web repo's, examples at https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList then apt-get update |
| 10:49.40 | phale | at0m|c: yeah |
| 10:49.47 | phale | I had to comment out the CD rom |
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| 10:59.45 | phale | SynrG: iceweasel isn't working, nor is my network |
| 10:59.53 | phale | I somehow managed to install some things |
| 10:59.56 | phale | but now it just doesnt work lol |
| 11:00.55 | phale | can you please help? |
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| 11:01.09 | bjocson | hello |
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| 11:02.30 | SynrGy | phale: 'nor is my network'. explain? |
| 11:02.44 | phale | well, I think my WiFI is working |
| 11:02.51 | phale | but ping and iceweasel don't seem to be working |
| 11:02.58 | phale | they won't ping/connect to any websites |
| 11:03.01 | SynrGy | nameserver problem? |
| 11:03.05 | phale | probably |
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| 11:03.12 | SynrGy | does the content of /etc/resolv.conf look sane? |
| 11:03.23 | SynrGy | this could be a configuration issue with your DHCP server |
| 11:03.25 | phale | yes |
| 11:03.28 | phale | nameserver 192.168.1.1 |
| 11:03.28 | SynrGy | assuming you use one |
| 11:03.41 | phale | I do |
| 11:03.44 | SynrGy | so does, e.g. 'nslookup debian.org' return reasonable results? |
| 11:03.45 | phale | I have dynamic Ips |
| 11:03.54 | phale | no, it's very slow too |
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| 11:04.13 | phale | ;: connection timed out; no servers could be reached |
| 11:04.22 | SynrGy | can you ping the router by IP#? |
| 11:04.37 | phale | you mean 192.168.1.1? |
| 11:04.41 | SynrGy | yes |
| 11:04.44 | phale | yes but |
| 11:04.56 | phale | it just says PING 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 11:04.59 | phale | and doesnt go any further |
| 11:05.03 | SynrGy | then ping is failing |
| 11:05.09 | phale | right |
| 11:05.19 | phale | but how was I able to install software? |
| 11:05.24 | SynrGy | so i guess your wireless connection dropped |
| 11:05.31 | phale | no, it's still on 4 bars |
| 11:05.32 | SynrGy | do you still have that power management fix in place? |
| 11:05.35 | phale | 4 blue bars |
| 11:05.38 | phale | yes I do |
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| 11:06.21 | SynrGy | bars notwithstanding, it looks like your packets are getting routed into outer space |
| 11:06.36 | phale | that sounds really cool |
| 11:06.44 | phale | if thats true |
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| 11:07.39 | SynrGy | does 'ip addr' show your wlan0 has an address? |
| 11:07.54 | phale | doesnt show my wlan0 |
| 11:08.00 | phale | actually nv |
| 11:08.01 | phale | it doser |
| 11:08.03 | phale | does* |
| 11:08.11 | SynrGy | and it has an address on 192.168.1.0/24? |
| 11:08.17 | phale | yeah it has |
| 11:08.25 | phale | 192.168.1.103/24 brd 192.168.1.255 |
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| 11:08.46 | SynrGy | and 'ip route' shows you're being routed? |
| 11:08.58 | phale | what do you mean? |
| 11:09.08 | SynrGy | i mean you have valid routes for the network |
| 11:09.18 | phale | default via 192.168.1.1 dev wlan 0 proto static metric 1024 |
| 11:09.27 | phale | 192.168.1.0/24 dev wlan0 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.1.103 |
| 11:09.35 | SynrGy | yup. all looks good |
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| 11:09.46 | phale | might be the DHCP you mentioned |
| 11:09.48 | SynrGy | maybe the router blocks pings? |
| 11:10.02 | phale | I skipped the DHCP part since I didn't have an internet connection on install |
| 11:10.10 | phale | it doesn't block pings |
| 11:10.14 | phale | works on my PC |
| 11:10.17 | SynrGy | humm |
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| 11:10.37 | SynrGy | sounds flaky. can you drop the wireless and connect again? does this help? |
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| 11:11.58 | phale | SynrGy: it's connecting |
| 11:12.03 | phale | i'll try to ping when its done connecting |
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| 11:12.39 | phale | wow it's taking a long time to connect |
| 11:12.53 | phale | ok here we go |
| 11:13.00 | phale | I'm getting a ping back |
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| 11:13.44 | SynrGy | phale: so, it's possible this is still the 'intermittent disconnection' issue mentioned on the wiki |
| 11:14.01 | SynrGy | but the workaround is either incorrectly applied, or else is no longer effective in the current version of the driver |
| 11:14.22 | phale | SynrGy: yep |
| 11:14.32 | SynrGy | let's see the exact contents of that file |
| 11:14.33 | phale | in fact I just lost connection |
| 11:14.46 | phale | Filename: rtl8192ce.conf |
| 11:14.52 | phale | options rtl8192ce ips=0 fwlps=0 |
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| 11:15.33 | SynrGy | and that's in /etc/modprobe.d/? |
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| 11:16.01 | phale | yus |
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| 11:22.39 | SynrGy | phale: i guess the next thing would be to see if there is anything in the logs around the time you lose connectivity |
| 11:23.03 | SynrGy | phale: either the journalctl cmd i gave you earlier, or at a lower level, then messages pertaining to wlan0 in dmesg |
| 11:23.07 | SynrGy | the* |
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| 11:24.29 | SynrGy | phale: another thing to try is to put your laptop on a different wireless network (e.g. at a cafe or so) in order to see if it's only your own network it hates, or all networks in general. |
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| 11:25.03 | phale | uhh |
| 11:25.08 | phale | it connects to it globally |
| 11:25.10 | SynrGy | some wireless chipsets/drivers seem to be less tolerant of noisy neighbouring networks than others |
| 11:25.10 | phale | then it connects to it locally |
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| 11:25.41 | SynrGy | this can be problematic even when the device is immediately next to the AP, i've found |
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| 11:26.15 | phale | SynrGy: no problems in the journal |
| 11:26.46 | SynrGy | i didn't expect any. at the IP level it seems to be ok |
| 11:26.54 | phale | dhclient[11808]: bound to 192.168.1.103 -- renewal in 3560 seconds |
| 11:26.59 | phale | ^^ |
| 11:27.08 | SynrGy | yeah, seems fine |
| 11:27.13 | ahtapot | hello boot,ng up from live option keeps saying start job running from live config. what to do? |
| 11:27.25 | phale | alright so what do I do |
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| 11:27.59 | SynrGy | phale: collect dmesg output from around when your connection drops |
| 11:28.09 | SynrGy | see if there's anything illuminating in there |
| 11:28.21 | alfiepates | afternoon all |
| 11:29.40 | phale | Calling CDRA to update world regulatory domain |
| 11:29.48 | phale | AP changed bandwidth, new config is 2412 MHz, width 1 |
| 11:30.35 | SynrGy | phale: i think rather than pasting them one at a time, here, we should see it in context. please use "dmesg -T" to have human readable timestamps, and note the time that you experienced loss of network connectivity |
| 11:30.52 | SynrGy | phale: i.e. copy over and put at a paste bin |
| 11:31.23 | phale | sure |
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| 11:34.17 | phale | SynrGy: http://codepad.org/p4waqnvN |
| 11:34.38 | SynrGy | phale: a lengthy thread here: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=117898 |
| 11:34.42 | SynrGy | not very encouraging |
| 11:36.41 | SynrGy | one interesting comment, if you look in /sys/module/rtl8192ce/parameters/ can you find that the poewr management stuff was effective, or not? |
| 11:36.46 | SynrGy | poewr* |
| 11:36.48 | SynrGy | power* argh |
| 11:37.47 | phale | yes |
| 11:37.55 | phale | I have five files |
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| 11:38.01 | phale | debug, fwlps ips swenc and swlps |
| 11:38.23 | SynrGy | so what do fwlps and ips contain? |
| 11:38.33 | phale | N |
| 11:38.40 | phale | just that one character |
| 11:38.45 | SynrGy | both of them? ok. so that's what's supposed to happen. |
| 11:38.52 | phale | ok good |
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| 11:39.25 | SynrGy | it seems like your wireless chipset is a bit of a lemon :p |
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| 11:39.47 | SynrGy | maybe you could mess about with your AP config to set the channel to a different one |
| 11:39.49 | phale | to be honest I might have the wrong firmware |
| 11:40.01 | SynrGy | well, dmesg should have messages saying the firmware was loaded |
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| 11:40.16 | phale | https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Thinkpad/X230/wheezy#WiFi |
| 11:40.24 | phale | this is for wheezy, anyways |
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| 11:41.10 | SynrGy | no, that's a whole different wireless chipset there |
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| 11:41.25 | SynrGy | your particular model doesn't have intel Centrino |
| 11:41.29 | phale | oh |
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| 11:42.01 | SynrGy | laptop vendors confusingly often offer the same or similar models containing different hardware when it comes to wireless in particular :p |
| 11:42.06 | SynrGy | they don't seem to care |
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| 11:42.18 | phale | alright so |
| 11:42.20 | phale | AP config? |
| 11:42.23 | phale | 192.168.1.1? |
| 11:42.34 | SynrGy | no, no ... i mean your router |
| 11:42.37 | SynrGy | the web interface for it |
| 11:42.43 | phale | yeah, that's 192.168.1.1 |
| 11:42.44 | SynrGy | navigate to where it talks about channels |
| 11:42.55 | SynrGy | ah, right. probably want to do this from the PC |
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| 11:43.17 | SynrGy | then you can try different channels in succession |
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| 11:43.43 | SynrGy | if you have an android device, i recommend installing the "Wifi Analyzer" app |
| 11:43.58 | phale | there are no "channels" |
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| 11:44.05 | SynrGy | you can use that to visualize the different neighbouring wifi networks and find an optimal channel for yours |
| 11:44.12 | SynrGy | well, frequency then |
| 11:44.18 | phale | nor that |
| 11:44.26 | SynrGy | should be somewhere. :) |
| 11:44.34 | SynrGy | which model? |
| 11:44.49 | SynrGy | unless the router firmware is really stupid |
| 11:44.49 | phale | TP-link |
| 11:44.52 | phale | it is |
| 11:45.01 | SynrGy | which TP-link model |
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| 11:45.06 | phale | TL-WR740N |
| 11:45.17 | SynrGy | i have non-stupid alternate firmware installed on mine :) |
| 11:45.46 | SynrGy | TP-Link TL-WR1043ND |
| 11:45.57 | SynrGy | openwrt works nicely on this model |
| 11:46.32 | phale | alright so what do i do |
| 11:46.37 | SynrGy | http://www.tplink.com/resources/document/TL-WR741ND_V4_User_Guide_1910010596.pdf |
| 11:46.47 | SynrGy | searching this for help changing channels ... |
| 11:46.48 | phale | wait I found the channel |
| 11:46.50 | phale | Channel: Auto |
| 11:46.52 | SynrGy | yay :) |
| 11:46.55 | SynrGy | so switch that. |
| 11:46.55 | phale | Channel Width: Auto |
| 11:46.58 | phale | I can't i'm scared |
| 11:47.13 | SynrGy | you don't want auto. you can just pick different channels, each in succession ... |
| 11:47.16 | phale | What if I lose connectivity? |
| 11:47.25 | SynrGy | is the PC on ethernet or wireless? |
| 11:47.29 | phale | ethernet |
| 11:47.34 | SynrGy | then you can't lose connectivity |
| 11:47.35 | phale | im editing wireless settings |
| 11:47.36 | phale | oh ok |
| 11:47.46 | SynrGy | this will only affect your wireless connections. |
| 11:47.46 | phale | I have to reboot the router |
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| 11:47.50 | phale | are you serious ,-. |
| 11:48.00 | SynrGy | it forces a reboot? |
| 11:48.01 | SynrGy | stupid |
| 11:48.05 | phale | im not rebooting it |
| 11:48.16 | SynrGy | it *should* take effect immediately |
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| 11:48.27 | phale | even though it says i need to reboot? |
| 11:48.31 | SynrGy | if the firmware is that stupid, then you have my deepest sympathies |
| 11:48.56 | SynrGy | if it says you need a reboot, then yes, you need to reboot the router |
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| 11:49.42 | IsntFunny | hello everyone. i am trying to use nano but everytime i want to edit something it shows me no content of the file and if i create a new file it tells me "Segmentation fault".. any ideas? |
| 11:50.20 | phale | SynrGy: i'll try it later, then |
| 11:50.23 | SynrGy | phale: another thing that may help is if the only wireless devices on your network are wireless N, you could change it to accept 11n only |
| 11:50.24 | phale | any alternatives for the meanwhile? |
| 11:50.46 | SynrGy | that would prevent other devices in the neighbourhood which are using b or g from connecting |
| 11:50.48 | phale | what if none of this works though |
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| 11:51.08 | SynrGy | then toss the piece of garbage wifi card and replace it with a nice atheros |
| 11:51.14 | SynrGy | or intel |
| 11:51.17 | phale | it is an intel :D |
| 11:51.24 | SynrGy | no, it's a realtek. yes? |
| 11:51.28 | phale | no... |
| 11:51.32 | SynrGy | isn't that what we determined from the lspci output? |
| 11:52.00 | SynrGy | 07:08 < phale> Network Controller [0280]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8188CE 802.11b/g/n WiFi Adapter [10ec:8176] (rev 01) |
| 11:52.00 | phale | oh, right |
| 11:52.28 | SynrGy | seems like all over the web there's a litany of bad reports from everyone about this card |
| 11:52.36 | phale | i'm not surprised really |
| 11:52.38 | phale | wait |
| 11:52.41 | phale | 802.11b/g/n |
| 11:52.45 | phale | does this mean it's initially b? |
| 11:52.47 | SynrGy | in the interim, maybe use a wifi dongle? |
| 11:52.48 | phale | or something |
| 11:52.56 | SynrGy | no, not initially b |
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| 11:53.12 | SynrGy | it just means can make connections to all three |
| 11:53.47 | SynrGy | if a neighbouring device connects to your AP at 11b, it could force your connection to B as well |
| 11:54.02 | SynrGy | this could be problematic in noisy network neibhbourhoods |
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| 11:54.14 | phale | oh ok |
| 11:54.16 | SynrGy | so by restricting the router to 11n only, it could clear up the issue |
| 11:54.31 | SynrGy | of course, no other devices you have that use the older protocols would work ... |
| 11:54.37 | phale | hm |
| 11:54.40 | styler2go | hello everyone. i am trying to use nano but everytime i want to edit something it shows me no content of the file and if i create a new file it tells me "Segmentation fault".. any ideas? |
| 11:54.46 | SynrGy | (e.g. old nintendo DS-lite) |
| 11:55.04 | phale | yeah, I don't |
| 11:55.05 | SynrGy | but mostly this is not a problem. wireless-N is in practically everything these days |
| 11:55.19 | SynrGy | so that, and the channels thing |
| 11:55.21 | phale | i'll just change channels and try changing the mode |
| 11:55.22 | SynrGy | and that's all i've got. |
| 11:55.23 | phale | yes |
| 11:55.28 | phale | ok i'll try it later |
| 11:55.30 | phale | thanks for all the help |
| 11:55.31 | SynrGy | good luck |
| 11:55.32 | SynrGy | np |
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| 11:56.38 | phale | maybe this? |
| 11:56.39 | phale | https://github.com/pvaret/rtl8192cu-fixes |
| 11:56.57 | phale | oh, this is cu |
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| 11:57.47 | SynrGy | yeah. i doubt if googling will net you any useful results ... |
| 11:57.56 | SynrGy | probably weighted towards older versions of the kernel ... |
| 11:58.06 | SynrGy | you can ignore anything applicable to versions less than 3.16.4 |
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| 11:59.10 | phale | SynrGy: would it also help if I told you that it disconnects in exactly 35 seconds? |
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| 11:59.13 | phale | I've just measured this |
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| 12:00.05 | SynrGy | if it's 100% reproducible at 35s, yeah, that's a useful data point |
| 12:00.28 | phale | here's what I suspect |
| 12:00.32 | phale | the IP changes |
| 12:00.35 | phale | because of DHCP |
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| 12:00.39 | themill | (2^15 milliseconds?) |
| 12:00.45 | phale | themill: pretty much |
| 12:00.59 | SynrGy | the IP# changes every 35 seconds? somehow i doubt it |
| 12:01.12 | phale | yeah you might be right |
| 12:01.13 | SynrGy | you'd see that plainly in the logs |
| 12:01.22 | phale | It also helps that I disconnect on my computer too |
| 12:01.25 | phale | but this happens much rarely |
| 12:01.34 | phale | only like once a few weeks |
| 12:02.15 | SynrGy | we have to seriously consider if spending more time on this crappy hardware is really worth our collective efforts ... |
| 12:02.29 | SynrGy | we could spend multiple hours more now and still be no further ahead. |
| 12:02.40 | phale | i blame it on indians |
| 12:02.41 | SynrGy | vs. buying a (relatively inexpensive) replacement card |
| 12:03.04 | SynrGy | do your research, find a nice replacement with the right form factor |
| 12:03.23 | SynrGy | beware that slot type isn't the only criteria. take care you know your current card's length. |
| 12:03.34 | phale | you mean |
| 12:03.39 | phale | put a new chip in a laptop? |
| 12:03.43 | phale | it would be easier to do it on a computer |
| 12:04.06 | SynrGy | well, if you're terrified of opening your laptop, you could get someone with this in their skill set to do it |
| 12:04.16 | phale | everyone I call wants me to install windows |
| 12:04.20 | phale | so, no |
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| 12:04.28 | SynrGy | i've fished around inside numerous laptops. it's not so scary :) |
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| 12:04.51 | SynrGy | no friends who are good at this? |
| 12:04.59 | SynrGy | otherwise, there's the USB dongle option |
| 12:05.15 | SynrGy | or live with connecting only with ethernet ... |
| 12:05.42 | SynrGy | or return the laptop to the shop and buy one with a non-sucky chipset |
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| 12:06.44 | phale | SynrGy: I was going to buy an x220 |
| 12:06.53 | phale | but they didn't want to offer it to me even though they had it |
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| 12:06.57 | phale | god damn merchants.. |
| 12:07.08 | SynrGy | you aren't special enougH? |
| 12:07.13 | phale | nope |
| 12:08.03 | phale | so I just keep changing the channels |
| 12:08.05 | phale | and resetting the router |
| 12:08.10 | phale | until my connection is stable enough? |
| 12:08.15 | SynrGy | i still think you should overcome that fear of opening your laptop and replace the damned card. but yeah, just do that. |
| 12:08.23 | phale | i'm not afraid |
| 12:08.26 | SynrGy | if none of that helps ... reconsider the "replace the card" option |
| 12:08.33 | phale | I need to get an expert to do that |
| 12:08.35 | SynrGy | that's probably the most likely to succeed |
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| 12:08.53 | phale | well, to be honest |
| 12:08.58 | phale | all hardware and software sucks in its own way |
| 12:09.00 | SynrGy | meanwhile, suffer on ethernet for a while |
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| 12:09.06 | abrotman | phale: but some sucks far less |
| 12:09.10 | phale | abrotman: yes |
| 12:10.09 | phix | abrotman: Lets discuss tactics |
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| 12:10.20 | abrotman | phix: You sank my battleship? |
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| 12:11.17 | arlbok | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:11.39 | phix | abrotman: something like that |
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| 12:12.20 | McD | Hi, how do i move a system directory (like /dev , /proc , /boot , /var) to another filesystem, without rendering the system unusable ? Likesay: i am missing free diskspace on / (root-filesystem) |
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| 12:12.44 | phix | abrotman: How you been bud? |
| 12:12.52 | abrotman | Just peachy |
| 12:12.58 | phix | That good hey |
| 12:13.03 | thayo | o/ |
| 12:13.05 | abrotman | McD: LiveCD? |
| 12:13.12 | phix | thayo: \o |
| 12:13.12 | abrotman | McD: some of those are recreated at boottime |
| 12:13.20 | McD | abrotman: no.. |
| 12:13.33 | phix | so what's new with debian? |
| 12:13.33 | abrotman | no? |
| 12:13.42 | BotchlaB | So, on Debian 7.8, if I have a Fast Ethernet card (10/100 Mb/s), how can I see what it's configured to? I will be switching to a faster fibre optic connection soon, and I'd like to take advantage of that and make sure it's set to the 100 Mb/s option. |
| 12:13.51 | BotchlaB | And not 10. |
| 12:13.56 | phix | BotchlaB: ethertool or mii-tool |
| 12:14.01 | McD | no is the answer to your question ? no it is not a live-cd ... |
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| 12:14.07 | McD | aborrero: |
| 12:14.10 | jelly | McD: put your "df" output into a pastebin, paste.debian.net |
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| 12:14.36 | aborrero | McD: ? |
| 12:14.37 | abrotman | McD: It *can* be .. what lives on your /var/? |
| 12:14.47 | abrotman | aborrero: his client mistabbed |
| 12:14.56 | jelly | sure, blame the client! |
| 12:15.00 | aborrero | ok :-) |
| 12:15.04 | BotchlaB | phix: Do you mean "ethtool"? |
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| 12:15.39 | McD | abrotman i just want to avoid my system to freeze..., if i touch a important directory...., to do a simple "soft-link.... |
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| 12:19.17 | themill | McD: /proc and /dev don't actually exist in that way for you to be able to move them. /boot would often be on a separate partition anyway and you don't want to try moving it in any case. |
| 12:20.30 | phix | BotchlaB: potatoe potarto |
| 12:20.55 | BotchlaB | phix, well, sudo apt-get install ethertool is not the same as sudo apt-get install ethtool. |
| 12:20.58 | BotchlaB | That's why I asked. |
| 12:21.03 | Skyrider | Maybe a silly question.. but does anyone happen to know a debian app with android support? Where all the songs you search for on your mobile will be played by debian. |
| 12:21.15 | phix | BotchlaB: yeah |
| 12:21.31 | phix | BotchlaB: apt isn't as pedantic as I am |
| 12:21.35 | BotchlaB | :P |
| 12:21.35 | at0m|c | Skyrider: songs are on the mobile or on pc |
| 12:21.37 | phix | or vice versa |
| 12:21.52 | at0m|c | Skyrider: if they're on the pc, look at mpd |
| 12:21.57 | McD | themill: i tell you what i want.... |
| 12:21.58 | rmblrd21 | hello. nautilus/files has the del key disabled in debian 8. how to enable it? |
| 12:22.03 | Skyrider | currently wanting to install spotify on debian, where the mobile acts as a remote control. |
| 12:22.09 | Skyrider | mobile search -> debian plays it. |
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| 12:22.56 | Skyrider | Unsure if spotcommander does the trick.. from what I read, it plays back from debian to your mobile. |
| 12:23.30 | Skyrider | I'll have to try it out though.. I'm always open to suggestions / alternatives. |
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| 12:28.41 | BotchlaB | Speed: 100Mb/s |
| 12:28.41 | BotchlaB | Duplex: Full |
| 12:28.42 | BotchlaB | \o/ |
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| 12:31.34 | Skyrider | Whats the command to see which HDD is being used from debian OS? |
| 12:31.48 | Skyrider | **For debian |
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| 12:33.08 | Iridos | Skyrider, maybe df -h / |
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| 12:33.18 | Iridos | if I understand the question |
| 12:33.33 | Skyrider | /dev/root 216G 2.5G 202G 2% / |
| 12:33.46 | Skyrider | Yup, thanks.. debian is running on the correct hdd :) |
| 12:33.56 | Skyrider | Needed to know if it is running on the proper hdd. |
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| 12:34.52 | Skyrider | Now its working as I want it to.. need to create a full image of this partition so whenever I screw things up... can easily restore it. |
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| 12:36.56 | nick661 | Hi does anyone know if Libreoffice shipped with Debian (current) opens xlsx files please? It seems LibreOffice >3.5 is required, maybe a lower version works too? |
| 12:37.16 | phix | nick661: it does |
| 12:37.29 | phix | nick661: oh wait, debian |
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| 12:37.35 | phix | no idea, i use Ubuntu |
| 12:37.57 | abrotman | nick661: Eh, it's been doing that for quite awhile |
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| 12:38.13 | phix | but I could see debian pulling out xlsx support as it isn't "free" |
| 12:38.18 | phix | or "open" enough |
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| 12:38.38 | Iridos | judd, versions libreoffice |
| 12:38.39 | judd | Package: libreoffice on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:3.5.4+dfsg2-0+deb7u2; squeeze-backports: 1:3.5.4+dfsg2-0+deb7u4~bpo60+1; wheezy-security: 1:3.5.4+dfsg2-0+deb7u4; wheezy-backports: 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie: 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u1; jessie-security: 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 1:4.4.2-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 1:4.4.4~rc1-1+b1; sid: 1:4.4.4~rc2-1; experimental: 1:5.0.0~rc1-1 |
| 12:39.01 | Iridos | nick6... grr |
| 12:39.03 | phix | Iridos: shouldn't jessie be listed first? |
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| 12:39.38 | Iridos | _abc__, already wheezy has 3.5 and opens xlsx jessie has 4.3.3... (but anyway I guess it depends on your specific xlsx) |
| 12:39.59 | _abc__ | Maybe not. xslx is supposed to be a fixed format with minor upgrades |
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| 12:41.16 | _abc__ | Debian live 7.8 is what version? (the naming vs numbers thing in debian drives me insane) |
| 12:41.22 | Iridos | phix, *shrug* it has the info. |
| 12:41.53 | _abc__ | judd, debian 7.8 version |
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| 12:42.01 | _abc__ | judd, shame on you |
| 12:42.07 | _abc__ | judd, versions |
| 12:42.08 | judd | (versions <pattern> [--arch <amd64>] [--release <stable>]) -- Show the available versions of a package in the optionally specified release and for the given architecture. All current releases and amd64 are searched by default. By default, binary packages are searched; prefix the packagename with "src:" to search source packages. |
| 12:42.17 | Iridos | no idea how live numbers stuff |
| 12:42.19 | Iridos | dpkg, release history |
| 12:42.20 | dpkg | Debian releases are named after "Toy Story" characters. Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14), Squeeze(6.0; 2011-02-06), Wheezy(7; 2013-05-04), Jessie(8; 2015-04-25). The next release will be Stretch. http://deb.li/it56U |
| 12:42.21 | bezaban | _abc__: 7.x is wheez |
| 12:42.30 | _abc__ | okay I have that on a dvd |
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| 12:42.53 | jelly | _abc__: ignore the epoch number before the colon, so wheezy: 1:3.5.4+dfsg2-0+deb7u2 is basically 3.5.4 |
| 12:43.03 | _abc__ | Ok I have that |
| 12:43.13 | _abc__ | so 'release hostory' yields the required answer. Nice |
| 12:43.25 | _abc__ | *history I mean |
| 12:43.31 | _abc__ | thanks /part moving on |
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| 13:02.39 | eletious | gm all |
| 13:02.58 | Skyrider | hi |
| 13:03.07 | eletious | wassup |
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| 13:04.36 | eletious | hey, is it possible to forward multiple web addresses to the same IP? I've been trying to use dnsmasq to forward facebook and youtube to a local webserver but it doesn't work |
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| 13:05.16 | wsky | 12 |
| 13:05.20 | wsky | oops |
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| 13:11.29 | ska | In debian 7, im missing some apt-keys.. I get this when I try to wget : |
| 13:11.33 | ska | The certificate of `git.ceph.com' hasn't got a known issuer. |
| 13:11.59 | phix | ska: maybe that isn't a proper mirror |
| 13:12.07 | Iridos | that doesn't sound like a debian repo key |
| 13:12.08 | ska | This is a brand new debian 7.8 |
| 13:12.51 | ska | In debian 8 works fine.. I did't import anything special. |
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| 13:12.59 | phix | ska: Where did you download it from? a Chinese government website? |
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| 13:14.28 | Iridos | ska, find /etc/apt/sources* -type f -exec grep -il ceph {} + |
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| 13:15.25 | ska | /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ceph_com_debian_hammer.list |
| 13:15.45 | ska | I did add that intentionally. |
| 13:16.30 | Iridos | well... then it shouldn't be surprising you're missing the key? |
| 13:17.10 | ska | apt-key list shows it.. But apt-key update doesn't process it! |
| 13:17.21 | ska | Its missing something.. |
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| 13:20.01 | jelly | ska: please show the full apt comand and complete output in a pastebin. |
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| 13:20.13 | jelly | ska: also your "apt-key list" |
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| 13:20.23 | LitoII | anyone knows why www.mydomain.com can not resolve us mydomain.com does? |
| 13:20.52 | jelly | LitoII: www.mydomain.com works from here, |
| 13:21.15 | jelly | dig +short www.mydomain.com ==> mydomain.com. 65.254.242.180 |
| 13:21.25 | ska | sure. |
| 13:21.25 | LitoII | lol jelly my domain is another |
| 13:21.39 | LitoII | thanks,let me try |
| 13:21.48 | jelly | LitoII: what's the actual hostname? |
| 13:21.55 | phix | haha jelly!!!! |
| 13:21.57 | LitoII | scoutingland.com |
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| 13:22.33 | phale | SynrGy: it didnt work |
| 13:22.38 | phale | i tried all the channels, setting the mode to 11n.. |
| 13:23.05 | jelly | LitoII: that also works, resolves to 104.18.52.211 and 104.18.53.211 via a CNAME |
| 13:23.15 | ska | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/261162/ |
| 13:23.21 | SynrGy | phale: sad. but not entirely surprising result. |
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| 13:23.33 | phale | well i'm not just going to sell it back now |
| 13:23.36 | phale | i need to fix this |
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| 13:23.40 | jelly | ska: apt-get update |
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| 13:24.21 | ska | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/261164/ |
| 13:24.40 | jelly | ska: looks fine |
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| 13:25.08 | phix | sudo apt-get install 'PEANUT_BUTTER_JELLY_TIME!!!!!!' |
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| 13:25.23 | jelly | ska: did you confuse "apt-key update" with "apt-get update"? |
| 13:25.32 | LitoII | jelly dig returns |
| 13:25.37 | LitoII | ;; QUESTION SECTION: |
| 13:25.37 | LitoII | ;www.scoutingland.com.INA |
| 13:25.56 | jelly | LitoII: use a pastebin please, eg. paste.debian.net |
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| 13:26.24 | ska | jelly: when I do a wget on it: http://paste.debian.net/261165/ |
| 13:27.31 | jelly | ska: wget complains about the web site's SSL certificate. This has nothing to do with apt. |
| 13:27.49 | LitoII | http://paste.debian.net/261166/ |
| 13:27.54 | ska | jelly: ok. tjanks. |
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| 13:28.37 | jelly | ska: wget probably shouldn't complain, since https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=git.ceph.com seems fine, but that's a different, unrelated issue |
| 13:28.54 | jelly | LitoII: that's... not dig |
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| 13:29.14 | ska | jelly, maybe I'm missing some standard keys on my very-base installation/??? |
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| 13:29.54 | LitoII | http://paste.debian.net/261167/ |
| 13:29.59 | jelly | LitoII: router dns resolvers (I'm assuming 192.168.1.1 is your router) are often buggy |
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| 13:30.24 | LitoII | jelly I am using apache2 |
| 13:30.38 | LitoII | maybe I didnt send the record zones in bind? |
| 13:30.56 | LitoII | I am a new admin, I habe console only in a VPS server |
| 13:31.01 | LitoII | *have |
| 13:31.36 | LitoII | at port 80 xxx.com works but www.xxx.com doesn t |
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| 13:32.41 | jelly | LitoII: I see this instead. http://paste.debian.net/261168/ Are those IP addresses correct? |
| 13:33.14 | phix | jelly: what's wrong with 172.16.0.0/12 ? |
| 13:33.29 | phix | jelly: or 10.0.0.0/8 |
| 13:33.42 | jelly | LitoII: sorry, http://paste.debian.net/261169/ |
| 13:33.52 | phix | 192.168.0.0/16 is so class C |
| 13:33.54 | jelly | phix: context? |
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| 13:34.12 | phix | jelly: networking |
| 13:34.36 | jelly | phix: I'm not sure what your question is. |
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| 13:35.45 | phix | jelly: My question is, why use 192.168.1.0/24 |
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| 13:36.05 | phix | jelly: that will conflict when using VPNs in most cases |
| 13:36.38 | jelly | phix: I'm not using 192.168.1.0/24, why are you asking that? |
| 13:36.54 | phix | = 23:29:59 < jelly> LitoII: router dns resolvers (I'm assuming 192.168.1.1 is your router) are often buggy |
| 13:36.59 | eletious | LitoII: I'm having a similar issue |
| 13:37.05 | phix | jelly: oh so it is LitoII that has the issue |
| 13:37.18 | phix | My mistake |
| 13:37.21 | phix | my bad |
| 13:37.31 | eletious | but I'm not sure it's 100% related to yours so I'll be quiet until we figure your thing out |
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| 13:37.48 | phix | eletious: spill ya beans! |
| 13:38.16 | jelly | phix: oh... well, private network segment used is not relevant to their issue. |
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| 13:38.33 | eletious | I have jessie installed and I'm trying to use dnsmasq to redirect traffic to facebook and youtube to a webpage on the debian server that says get back to work |
| 13:39.04 | eletious | Unfortunately it doesn't work... sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't, and I'm honestly not sure why |
| 13:39.33 | jelly | phix: they're having a DNS issue, and it's just accidental their equipment is using that address. It's a VERY common default with CPE equipment. |
| 13:39.39 | eletious | For a while, I thought it was maybe because I was running debian on a VM in windows on a laptop |
| 13:39.58 | eletious | but now that I've switched my installation to a physical machine with a static IP it still doesn't work :/ |
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| 13:41.34 | eletious | My only thought is that dnsmasq can only associate one host per IP address, so having multiple hosts direct to my IP breaks things |
| 13:42.02 | Iridos | oh yay, only 100 packages from dmm |
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| 13:42.15 | eletious | my other idea was that I might need to configure some virtual servers in Apache to correspond to each forwarded address, but that sounds insanely tedious |
| 13:42.38 | LitoII | jelly, link doesnt work |
| 13:43.04 | eletious | During all of this, I noticed the same issue that LitoII noticed - www.xyz.com doesn't ever work, and xyz.com sometimes does |
| 13:43.09 | SynrGy | Iridos: fun. so remove those before upgrading is probably best. |
| 13:43.18 | jelly | LitoII: the new one? http://paste.debian.net/261169/ (are IP addresses in lines 16 and 17 correct?) |
| 13:43.28 | SynrGy | !remove dmm |
| 13:43.41 | SynrGy | or ... not? hmm. |
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| 13:43.53 | Iridos | SynrGy, yeah, was just reading on wheezy->jessie |
| 13:43.55 | SynrGy | !dmm remove |
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| 13:43.56 | dpkg | If you want to remove the packages from deb-multimedia.org and reinstall the packages from Debian repositories, one could do this: dpkg --remove --force-depends $(aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Unofficial Multimedia Packages))' --disable-columns -F%p); remove the dmm repository from sources.list; apt-get update; apt-get install -f; install the still missing packages which were removed in the former process ... |
| 13:44.19 | LitoII | jelly,yes |
| 13:44.19 | jelly | soon debian will have ffmpeg back and everything will be forgiven |
| 13:44.38 | Iridos | SynrGy, that's what I was just looking at and where the 100 comes from... but... there's stuff I'll miss in there |
| 13:44.47 | SynrGy | Iridos: just remember this method won't work unless you *currently* have dmm lines in sources.list and apt knows about them |
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| 13:44.54 | SynrGy | yeah |
| 13:44.59 | LitoII | jelly,is this the correct file? |
| 13:45.15 | SynrGy | Iridos: it's ok. with some pinning you could keep a few selected things (probably) |
| 13:45.38 | SynrGy | hopefully stuff without conflicting deps ... |
| 13:45.54 | SynrGy | Iridos: what would you miss? |
| 13:46.42 | Iridos | I guess I can strip out everything that is ' lib'... because that's dependencies only... then remove the stuff and pull it back in after upgrade |
| 13:46.46 | rmblrd21 | installed debian 8 with gnome. archive manger does seem to fail handling rar archives with unrar-free. can somebody confirm this? |
| 13:47.12 | jelly | LitoII: dunno, http://paste.debian.net/261169/ works for me with a different browser |
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| 13:47.19 | LitoII | jelly,maybe I must add file at /etc/bind? |
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| 13:48.23 | jelly | LitoII: slow down. what happens when you access http://paste.debian.net/261169/ ? |
| 13:49.13 | LitoII | 104.18.53.211 is correct |
| 13:49.16 | SynrGy | rmblrd21: what do the docs for unrar-free say about what is missing vs. the non-free version? it may be it only handles some subset of kinds of rar |
| 13:49.18 | LitoII | at lines 16,17 |
| 13:49.20 | palak | hi, is there anyone who got selected in gsoc this yr? |
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| 13:50.17 | Iridos | SynrGy, not sure what's in debian now.... the stuff from the factoid just seems to remove it hard, not install from another repo |
| 13:50.34 | jelly | LitoII: ok. That means your authoritative DNS server is fine. You just need to fix your home router. Try rebooting it and see if that makes www.scoutingland.com resolvable from your home machine. |
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| 13:50.43 | SynrGy | Iridos: yep. so I'd do that, upgrade, then reinstall anything from the list of removals that you need. |
| 13:50.56 | Iridos | yes... that was my current idea |
| 13:51.24 | LitoII | jelly, do you mean that only ME can not access www.scoutingland.com? |
| 13:51.31 | jelly | LitoII: correct! |
| 13:51.36 | LitoII | omg... |
| 13:52.09 | LitoII | so is this an effect of big TTL at my nameserver ISP? Or is the router buggy? |
| 13:52.23 | jelly | could be both |
| 13:52.29 | jelly | or any of those two |
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| 13:53.02 | jelly | negative TTL should always be small, like a minute or 90 seconds |
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| 13:53.31 | LitoII | jelly so it is a router thing |
| 13:53.47 | phale | SynrGY: The network takes significantly more time to drop the connection now |
| 13:53.52 | LitoII | jelly thank you so much! |
| 13:53.52 | phale | It went from 35 seconds to 2 minutes |
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| 13:54.46 | jelly | LitoII: if it happens often, you can work around it by using different nameservers, ask the bot: /msg dpkg override dns |
| 13:55.48 | jelly | LitoII: people often use google's public recursors at 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 to test things, or you can install dns recursor software locally |
| 13:56.25 | LitoII | jelly, I just didnt imagine that it was my router... |
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| 13:56.31 | LitoII | thanks again |
| 13:56.47 | SynrGy | phale: not sure how/if it's significant. at this stage, i've pretty much given up on your chipset as 'junk' :p |
| 13:57.20 | phale | SynrGy: oh all right |
| 13:57.26 | phale | i'll just throw it in the trash |
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| 14:01.03 | Iridos | SynrGy, oh, I remember... the one thing I'll surely miss... dmm packages allowed to have mplayer1 next to mplayer2, the debian packages conflict |
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| 14:03.13 | phale | SynrGy: strange |
| 14:03.15 | phale | my connection was back |
| 14:03.43 | eletious | Is there maybe something I should read or look into on networking principles before I start making servers happen? |
| 14:04.13 | eletious | I feel like I have too basic an understanding of how anything works to network well |
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| 14:14.29 | ws2k3 | is there a command to display howmany updates there are (apt-get) ? |
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| 14:21.54 | ska | jelly: is there some way I can validate my key? |
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| 14:23.28 | qis_ | Hi! How can I reload the files in /etc/init.d for the use with the `service` application in Debian 8? |
| 14:23.33 | phix | ska: Go to your nearest parking attendent |
| 14:23.47 | phix | I Know all about validating and keys |
| 14:23.51 | qis_ | I created an init script but it is not found when I try to execute it using `service scriptname status` |
| 14:23.54 | phix | s/I/They/ |
| 14:24.05 | phix | qis_: ok |
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| 14:24.08 | at0m|c | phix: and ubuntu right |
| 14:24.12 | azmodeus | hey there... I am getting a bit confused... Let's say that I need a debian .iso and I want to download it from the debian site. I am finding a lot of alternatives (Dvd 1, 2, 3 update 1) and I was wondering what should I download in which case. |
| 14:24.36 | phix | the first one, at0m|c |
| 14:24.52 | deepy | Depends on what media you're going to put it and what your internet connectivity is, I usually just take the netinstall and fetch all packages from the internet |
| 14:24.57 | qis_ | phix: What do you mean by 'ok'? |
| 14:25.01 | deepy | but having one or two DVDs is very useful if you've got a slow network |
| 14:25.02 | qis_ | phix: It's not ok at all! |
| 14:25.21 | phix | qis_: It's fine |
| 14:25.44 | azmodeus | deepy, I am actually provided by a netinstal image. And it is working super! What if I would like to get the entire collection of ready to use isos? |
| 14:25.49 | phix | qis_: relax |
| 14:25.50 | jelly | phix: please avoid giving random statements to people that want tech support |
| 14:26.06 | at0m|c | phix isn't fixing anything. just noise. |
| 14:26.14 | phix | jelly: no no they are not random, they are specifically placed |
| 14:26.23 | phix | jelly: like janga |
| 14:26.26 | phix | jenga* |
| 14:26.28 | deepy | azmodeus: iirc the big difference between them is the amount of packages on them, so if you want a big collection of packages get all the DVDs and burn them |
| 14:26.52 | deepy | azmodeus: but keep in mind that burned DVDs don't update, so if you're on unmetered internet just fetch everything from the net :-) |
| 14:26.53 | azmodeus | deepy, thanks. Is the source of the OS included in the collection? |
| 14:26.54 | jelly | phix: I mean, this channel is for tech support. You want to chat, join ##chat |
| 14:27.05 | eletious | qis_: ... you're using service? Isn't that old? |
| 14:27.14 | deepy | azmodeus: https://sources.debian.net/ |
| 14:27.17 | phix | jelly: no it isn't just for tech support mate |
| 14:27.20 | jelly | phix: otherwise if you can't provide help specific for a user's issue, keep quiet |
| 14:27.21 | qis_ | eletious: That depends on your point of view. |
| 14:27.29 | phix | jelly: It is general discussion too |
| 14:27.35 | azmodeus | deepy, don't worry! =) I am using virtualization so I don't need burn dvds. (I am not even doing this since years...) |
| 14:27.41 | eletious | qis_: no, like, i thought systemd was the default service handler in Debian 8 |
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| 14:28.06 | deepy | azmodeus: well, the DVDs are there if you want to fetch them from the DVD instead of from the internet, if you've got internet then that is usually the best option |
| 14:28.07 | phix | jelly: well, debian related general discussion that is :) |
| 14:28.10 | eletious | qis_: try "systemctl status scriptname" |
| 14:28.16 | deepy | there's source packages which contain the source of the package you're installing |
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| 14:28.28 | qis_ | eletious: I solved my problem by running update-rc.d servicename defaults, but thanks. |
| 14:28.41 | eletious | qis_: Glad you got it working! |
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| 14:28.48 | deepy | https://wiki.debian.org/SourcePackage |
| 14:28.59 | azmodeus | deepy, cool! Thanks for that. I am new to debian and I just fell in love with it! I come from debian based, but starting to use it for my networking learning tasks =) found out a good documentation site that is talking about a lot of interesting things. |
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| 14:30.17 | eletious | if a PC is getting the correct IP address when I use nslookup, then why would it not go to that IP address when I type the exact same name in the url bar |
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| 14:31.11 | TJ- | eletious: caching maybe |
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| 14:33.12 | eletious | TJ-: I was thinking that... but the DNS server itself goes to the correct page. If I open iceweasel, thebest.com goes to the page I set up... if I use chrome on my windows PC it doesn't |
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| 14:33.49 | eletious | but nslookup gives the correct IP address, so I'm a bit confused. |
| 14:33.54 | jelly | ska: you can download the same key with a browser, and see if the browser complains of SSL issues or not. That doesn't mean a lot tho. The only way I know of to safely validate a gpg key would be to establish a chain of trust. |
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| 14:35.01 | TJ- | eletious: Have you recently changed the DNS zone file for the domain? |
| 14:35.59 | eletious | TJ-: what do you mean? |
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| 14:37.03 | TJ- | eletious: if the DNS record has recently changed the old record may still be held in the DNS cache of the other PC - the time a record remains valid is set by the zone file's Time-To-Live (TTL) and might be 24 hours or more |
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| 14:37.52 | TJ- | eletious: in which case flushing the local DNS cache on the affected PC, or the local caching DNS server, will usually fix it... unless you rely on ISP DNS servers which have it cached also |
| 14:38.33 | eletious | TJ-: The router is set to use my dns server first, and then use the ISPs DNS server |
| 14:38.38 | eletious | Will this cause a problem |
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| 14:40.28 | rmblrd21 | SynrG, no sure about the docs. I try to unpack a single rar file. works via terminal though |
| 14:40.51 | rmblrd21 | wonder why archive manager is failing... |
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| 14:41.10 | TJ- | eletious: Like I said, it depends on the TTL set in the zone file. If it were, for example, 24 hours and at 0400 PC1 resolves the entry, then at 0900 you change the host A record in the zone file, PC2 doing a look-up will get the new entry but PC1 will still be using the value it fetched at 0400 and will keep using that value until 0359 the following day - unless its local DNS cache is flushed s it has to fetch the record again |
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| 14:43.27 | bash124512 | Hi, how can I create a user inside the deb package ? |
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| 14:43.48 | bash124512 | Is there like an example somewhere ? |
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| 14:45.21 | moobase | Do you have the option for full disk encryption when you install debian (like in ubuntu)? |
| 14:45.33 | at0m|c | moobase: sure |
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| 14:45.55 | moobase | dm-crypt with strong default options? |
| 14:45.59 | at0m|c | yes |
| 14:46.05 | at0m|c | it's presented where you partition the disks |
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| 14:46.22 | moobase | can you encrypt / root? |
| 14:46.27 | at0m|c | ... |
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| 14:46.35 | moobase | but you don't encrypt boot, right? |
| 14:46.40 | moobase | at0m|c: asking to be sure |
| 14:46.47 | at0m|c | FDE is also / root |
| 14:47.02 | billydaz | hi what is the possibility of upgrading my Nagios on oneiric server to 14.04 without breaking anything |
| 14:47.06 | eletious | TJ-: I flushed the DNS cache on the windows PC, but it's still connecting to the actual website |
| 14:47.08 | moobase | at0m|c: some think that swapped DES-encryption of /home is full disk encryption |
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| 14:47.57 | at0m|c | moobase: my 250⬠cheap lappy for on the road has FDE. if they find it, they can keep it. |
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| 14:48.52 | TJ- | eletious: It's connecting? Isn't that what you want? |
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| 14:50.54 | phale | hey guys |
| 14:50.59 | phale | turns out i might not have a realtek wireless |
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| 14:52.50 | eletious | TJ-: no... "thebest.com" is a real website that I want to "block" |
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| 14:53.38 | eletious | TJ-: I'm using it as a test for blocking other websites, like facebook and youtube... so I don't want them to connect to the thebest.com, I want clients to connect to my server instead |
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| 14:55.39 | moobase | do ubuntu and debian share repository? |
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| 14:57.41 | jelly | moobase: nope |
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| 15:01.45 | TJ- | eletious: OK, so whichever caching DNS server the PCs use - assuming they do - needs to return the changed record. If the PCs bypass that and go directly to, say, the ISP name servers, then you'd have to intercept the raw UDP packets in the router and redirect them to the local DNS server |
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| 15:04.02 | WangDang_ | Hi, how can I tell why a package didn't install properly? I upgraded a box to jessie, but the kernel and grub-pc are left half-installed. I don't see any useful info in the logs. (there is one funny thing in syslog, however. Every time I run "apt-get install", I get "kernel: [64603.397860] sr0: CDROM not ready. Make sure there is a disc in the drive." But there are no cd lines in my sources.list) The errors on the console are prett |
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| 15:05.14 | jelly | WangDang_: > The errors on the console are prett <-- you got cut off here |
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| 15:05.39 | WangDang_ | The errors on the console are pretty cryptic. Where should I look to see what fails? |
| 15:05.53 | jelly | WangDang_: please run "dpkg --configure -a" and show the complete output in a pastebin. http://paste.debian.net |
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| 15:09.41 | moobase | jelly: in what way are they related then? How's the debian upstream affecting Ubuntu? |
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| 15:12.47 | WangDang_ | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/7b6a0edf/ |
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| 15:13.49 | WangDang_ | I've tried running zz-update-grub by hand and it just silently returns to the command prompt |
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| 15:19.26 | jonluca | anyone know what a "cached failure" means when running apt-get update? |
| 15:19.28 | jelly | moobase: ubuntu imports much of the packages (maybe 2/3 of the software they provide?) from testing or unstable branch at the start of each their development cycle; some they import directly from authors; some are their own. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/ReleaseProcess |
| 15:19.37 | jonluca | I think it's a permissions issue writing to /etc/apt/ |
| 15:19.55 | jonluca | but I'm not sure how I would fix it - it's an issue that arises whenever I try to update sources using apt-get update |
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| 15:23.15 | jonluca | anyone know this prob lem/ |
| 15:23.17 | jonluca | ? |
| 15:24.37 | transhuman | can anyone tell me by looking at a file (perhaps the make file) is there a way to tell what the program I am trying to compile wants make all doesnt work (says nothing to compile, and make dosbox (which is what the direcitons say to do ) returns an error No rule to make target dosbox, thanks for the help |
| 15:25.19 | transhuman | s/wants make /wants, make |
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| 15:25.47 | jelly | transhuman: what's wrong with dosbox from the distro? |
| 15:25.50 | jelly | ,v dosbox |
| 15:25.51 | judd | Package: dosbox on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.74-1; wheezy: 0.74-3; sid: 0.74-4; jessie: 0.74-4; stretch: 0.74-4 |
| 15:26.18 | transhuman | trying to compile it for NaCl, so i need the nacl arch |
| 15:26.33 | BotchlaB | Salt. |
| 15:26.54 | jelly | I have no idea how building for NaCl is supposed to work, sorry |
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| 15:27.23 | transhuman | its more of a general make question how do i tell by the make file or some other file what make command its looking for |
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| 15:27.34 | jelly | ;investigate BotchlaB |
| 15:27.48 | jelly | oops! |
| 15:28.23 | WangDang_ | jelly: did you see the paste I put up that you asked for? |
| 15:28.30 | jelly | BotchlaB: at least now you know you look suspicious... |
| 15:28.37 | BotchlaB | jelly: I just PMed you. |
| 15:29.20 | jelly | WangDang_: missed it, got it now |
| 15:29.22 | transhuman | If that is not a general enough question for this group, and you have another prefered irc channel (perhaps glibc or something) let me know |
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| 15:36.11 | abrotman | that's okay |
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| 15:36.55 | jelly | WangDang_: hm... do you have a separate /boot partition? |
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| 15:37.08 | WangDang_ | jelly: yes |
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| 15:38.11 | dimitry7 | Hi guys. I want to monitor with sysstat all my debian servers. But I see all the RAM goes up to 94%, if I clean caches: sysctl -w vm.drop_caches=3 |
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| 15:38.40 | dimitry7 | then it goes down to 34% usage. Do you recommend I do this periodically? every 30 mins or so? |
| 15:38.51 | dimitry7 | I want to monitor the exact amount of memory used. Thanks! |
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| 15:39.00 | jelly | dimitry7: don't do it at all. caches are there to be used |
| 15:39.34 | dimitry7 | jelly, okay... I was just checking this: https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/sysctl/vm.txt |
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| 15:39.45 | dimitry7 | jelly, it seems that the CPU will waste more time filling the caches again |
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| 15:40.21 | dimitry7 | jelly, then how can I monitor the RAM i use? I need to know this in order to see how much of RAM I buy. |
| 15:40.33 | WangDang_ | jelly: why do you ask if I have a separate boot? |
| 15:40.57 | jelly | WangDang_: not sure where the error in line 13 is coming from |
| 15:41.25 | jelly | WangDang_: ls -la /boot/grub/i386-pc/video.lst /usr/lib/grub/i386-pc/video.lst <-- do both these files exist? |
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| 15:42.13 | ChrisH | dimitry7: Any unix'ish system will use all RAM installed, because it is there. what do you mean by "to see how much of RAM I buy"? You bought the amount which is installed. |
| 15:42.31 | WangDang_ | jelly: yes, they are both there |
| 15:43.04 | jelly | dimitry7: that's a hard question to answer, because your apps may allocate a certain amount, and benefit a lot from the cache, or not |
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| 15:43.07 | dimitry7 | ChrisH, No, this is a VPS in Amazon EC2. I'm afraid the DB system is using less than half the memory installed. But I need to prove it. |
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| 15:43.30 | jelly | dimitry7: which DB? |
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| 15:44.22 | dimitry7 | jelly, okay. DB= Database -> Postgres. They I suppuse the system is using all the RAM even if the processes just need the half of it.. |
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| 15:45.09 | dimitry7 | I have 16 GB. And Assined 4 to Postgres. I have this and Apache running, That's it. |
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| 15:46.12 | ChrisH | dimitry7: run top/atop and check the RSS for a better guess. |
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| 15:46.57 | dimitry7 | RSS? |
| 15:47.31 | jelly | WangDang_: hm. I'd probably rename the whole of /boot/grub, dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc to make it recreate everything, and rerun dpkg --configure -a |
| 15:47.57 | jelly | WangDang_: but I'm not sure "dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc" is enough |
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| 15:48.34 | jelly | dimitry7: exactly how did you allocate 4GB for postgres? |
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| 15:49.06 | jelly | dimitry7: are we talking about shared_buffers setting in postgresql.conf, or what? |
| 15:49.19 | dimitry7 | jelly, in the config file and in sysctl.conf: kernel.shmmax = 4429185024 |
| 15:49.24 | dimitry7 | kernel.shmall = 4429185024 |
| 15:49.29 | dimitry7 | yup |
| 15:49.34 | ChrisH | dimitry7: in top it's named RES Resident Set Size check man page and unless you understand hoe memeory management work, my recommendateion is to keep the fingers away |
| 15:49.48 | jelly | dimitry7: the sysctl changes are not postgres-specific at all |
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| 15:50.11 | Skyrider | Anyone happen to know a spotcommander alternative? |
| 15:50.17 | jelly | dimitry7: Pg won't start using more shm just because it's available. You need to tune the thing. |
| 15:50.19 | WangDang_ | jelly: when you say "rename the whole of /boot/grub/" do u mean to rename the directory, or all the files in it? |
| 15:50.22 | dimitry7 | jelly, oh no, but needed for that |
| 15:50.28 | jelly | WangDang_: the directory itself |
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| 15:51.04 | jelly | WangDang_: just rename it, so you can put it back if needed |
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| 15:51.25 | WangDang_ | jelly: so like "mv /boot/grub /boot/grub-old" then dpkg-reconfig? |
| 15:51.30 | jelly | WangDang_: right |
| 15:52.01 | WangDang_ | OK, I'll try |
| 15:52.05 | dimitry7 | ChrisH, In this example do you see RSS? or RES? http://paste.incorrigible.me/wocoxacuza.pl |
| 15:52.41 | dimitry7 | jelly, yes it is tuned, postgres is working normaly |
| 15:52.41 | ChrisH | dimitry7: Did I say anyhing about sar? |
| 15:53.09 | dimitry7 | ChrisH, nop, but I'm monitoring using sar because I need to collect statistics |
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| 15:53.20 | jelly | dimitry7: hmm. run "top", press capital M, pastebin that. |
| 15:53.25 | glguy | Is there a setting that determines IPv6 stateless autoconfiguration will select a MAC based address as opposed to some other scheme? I know about the .use_tempaddr sysctl, but I'd expect to get both the mac-based and random address with that turned on (and it isn't) |
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| 15:53.43 | Bremmyfag | THAT FAGGOTFUCK METALEER IS BACK ON FREENODE ITS BOTCHLAB |
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| 15:54.04 | dimitry7 | jelly, ok here we go: http://snag.gy/Om0IP.jpg |
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| 15:54.58 | jelly | I only see an extraterrestrial highway! |
| 15:55.04 | jelly | scrolls right |
| 15:55.16 | dimitry7 | hahahaha |
| 15:55.37 | dimitry7 | jelly, it exists, north of Nevada's route 375 :-) |
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| 15:56.46 | jelly | dimitry7: so each of your Pg processes has ~4G allocated (VIRT), and around 2.7GiB used (RES), that seems fine |
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| 15:57.41 | jelly | and most of it is SHM so clearly you did some tuning |
| 15:57.43 | dimitry7 | where do you see the RES? |
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| 15:58.07 | jelly | right of VIRT, left of SHR :-) |
| 15:58.18 | dimitry7 | oohhh |
| 15:58.20 | dimitry7 | my god |
| 15:58.34 | dimitry7 | but I need to sum it up no? |
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| 15:58.51 | ChrisH | If I sumup the RES fof the first pg processes until 1.4G I get 17GB which is more then the installed RAM. So I assume some RES is shared. |
| 15:59.02 | dimitry7 | SHM is VIRT? |
| 15:59.36 | SynrGy | no |
| 15:59.38 | dimitry7 | ChrisH, oooh... ok ok, then I guess I'm using like 3GB RAM or 4 |
| 15:59.43 | jelly | dimitry7: no, VSS is VIRT |
| 15:59.58 | jelly | SHR is SHM... |
| 16:00.05 | dimitry7 | jelly, ok ok |
| 16:00.30 | dimitry7 | well so there's no way I can do this with SAR :-s |
| 16:01.14 | jelly | ChrisH: most of RES is from SHM for Postgres and Oracle, they work with large swaths of shared memory |
| 16:01.15 | ChrisH | dimitry7: two questions 1. Is is very expensive to staty with 16GB RAM? 2. does it work weell currently? If the answer is no, yes I woul not change anything as memory tuning with such minimal knowlegde as yours will result in problems... sorry for beeing so straight. |
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| 16:02.25 | jelly | dimitry7: ideally you'd have as much RAM as the size of your database + the 4GB. Then postgres would cache things up and never have to read anything from disk any more, just write |
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| 16:02.42 | jelly | this often isn't practical or possible |
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| 16:04.22 | phale | synrGY: are you there? |
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| 16:04.42 | SynrGy | phale: sure, but just address your questions to the channel, not me in particular. :) |
| 16:04.57 | phale | oh okay |
| 16:05.03 | phale | I looked up the specs of my thinkpad |
| 16:05.09 | phale | and it turns out I don't have a realtek wireless |
| 16:05.24 | phale | but an intel centrion which can be activated by iwlwifi firmware |
| 16:05.25 | SynrGy | that's not what lspci says. |
| 16:05.33 | SynrGy | specs can lie |
| 16:05.38 | phale | That's after I installed the realtek driver. |
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| 16:05.46 | phale | Note that it's a realtek driver |
| 16:05.49 | jelly | phale: lspci does not lie |
| 16:05.53 | SynrGy | installing drivers doesn't make lspci tell lies |
| 16:05.57 | phale | I'm not saying lspci is lying |
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| 16:06.20 | SynrGy | so you're saying lspci is telling the truth and you do have Realtek wireless, but somehow you have Intel in addition to it? |
| 16:06.24 | dimitry7 | jelly, what? my DB is 58G |
| 16:06.27 | phale | yes |
| 16:06.28 | jelly | phale: well, you are, even if you think otherwise :-) |
| 16:06.47 | SynrGy | phale: that would be unusual to have both. and lspci didn't indicate you had Centrino wireless, that I recall |
| 16:06.57 | jelly | dimitry7: obviously you'd be well served by 64GB RAM :-) |
| 16:07.03 | SynrGy | phale: specs frequently lie. lspci does not. |
| 16:07.10 | somiaj | phale: what was the output of lspci on your machine. |
| 16:08.05 | SynrGy | phale: so always trust what your system tells you over what the literature tells you. |
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| 16:08.42 | SynrGy | phale: as i said, vendors often make substitutions at the plant without changing the model#. this is standard business practice. |
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| 16:09.21 | SynrGy | if they can get a better deal of a large number of an 'equivalent' card, they'll go with that. |
| 16:09.23 | dimitry7 | jelly, haha, I don't think so. |
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| 16:09.49 | phale | SynrGy: it's strange, though |
| 16:09.56 | phale | DebianOn says to install the iwlwifi firmware |
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| 16:10.06 | phale | for x230 |
| 16:10.08 | SynrGy | so? |
| 16:10.18 | phale | well how is it possible I have a different wifi card on the same model? |
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| 16:10.30 | SynrGy | DebianOn is a wiki. the user making that entry would of course say what was in *their particular* machine |
| 16:10.39 | somiaj | phale: do you happen to have the link to the output of lspci, I'm courious. |
| 16:10.47 | SynrGy | phale: um. i just told you how. |
| 16:10.53 | SynrGy | phale: you're just choosing not to believe me. |
| 16:10.55 | jelly | phale: each lenovo machine-type has different specs |
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| 16:11.08 | SynrGy | phale: trust me. i have years of experience with this. |
| 16:11.11 | phale | SynrGy: i believe you it just seems that Lenovo has strange specs for each laptop |
| 16:11.12 | ChrisH | phale: vendors use whats cheapest |
| 16:11.48 | phale | oh well |
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| 16:11.58 | phale | somiaj: I'll give you the lspci output |
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| 16:12.02 | phale | Let me see if I can find it on the logs |
| 16:12.08 | SynrGy | many vendors are at least honest enough about it to not even bother to list the Wi-Fi card |
| 16:12.09 | jelly | there usually are dozens of machine-types per model, varying keyboard layouts, LCD panel type, RAM, HDD, and yes, the mini-PCIe wifi card models |
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| 16:12.24 | phale | somiaj: <SynrGy> 07:08 < phale> Network Controller [0280]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8188CE 802.11b/g/n WiFi Adapter [10ec:8176] (rev 01) |
| 16:12.34 | SynrGy | they'll just generically say "Wireless a/b/g/n" or so |
| 16:12.53 | somiaj | phale: I was hoping for the whole output on a pastebin, but yes that card is clearly a realtek card. |
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| 16:13.02 | phale | somiaj: Yeah |
| 16:13.07 | Rudde | So when we have RC's, is RC2 like a "better" and more stable RC then RC1? or is it just two diffrent options? |
| 16:13.07 | phale | It appeared after I installed the firmware |
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| 16:13.29 | dimitry7 | jelly, thanks for the help Jelly! |
| 16:13.48 | phale | Sorry if I give limited output |
| 16:13.52 | phale | My laptop isn't with me at the moment |
| 16:14.01 | somiaj | stuff in lspci doesn't just appear after you isntall firmware |
| 16:14.01 | SynrGy | phale: to be more precise, it appeared after a reboot after installing firmware failed to show the card ... didn't it? and after that, toggled the wifi key some, and rebooted again, and then magically it appeared. |
| 16:14.09 | phale | Yes. |
| 16:14.13 | phale | The lamp was showing a false state |
| 16:14.15 | SynrGy | oh, and between times, we went into BIOS to look |
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| 16:14.33 | SynrGy | so with that degree of flakiness, i wonder about a possible loose connection or something |
| 16:14.48 | phale | SynrGy: i doubt it's the router |
| 16:14.50 | SynrGy | you are not the first owner of this hardware, right? |
| 16:14.54 | phale | my tablet, phone and other laptop works fine |
| 16:14.58 | phale | I'm the first owner |
| 16:15.06 | SynrGy | but it's an older model? |
| 16:15.18 | phale | what do you mean by "older" |
| 16:15.21 | phale | older than what? |
| 16:15.35 | SynrGy | just repeating what i thought i heard here earlier |
| 16:15.58 | SynrGy | x220 is not their current line. it's about a 5 year old line |
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| 16:16.08 | somiaj | I have had bad experience with realtek drivers/firmware, But that is just my antidotical eveidence, so don't take it as the drivers are going to be flaky for you. |
| 16:16.11 | Filystyn | problem |
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| 16:16.37 | SynrGy | if this is old stock, do we know for certain it's not reconditioned or something? |
| 16:16.48 | Filystyn | root@debian:/home/piotr# apt-get install tcpdump Czytanie list pakietów... BÅÄ
d! E: Encountered a section with no Package: header |
| 16:16.49 | Filystyn | E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/http.debian.net_debian_dists_wheezy backports_main_i18n_Translation-pl%5fPL E: Nie udaÅo siÄ otworzyÄ lub zanalizowaÄ zawartoÅci list pakietów. root@debian:/home/piotr# |
| 16:16.58 | SynrGy | somiaj: itym 'anecdotal' |
| 16:16.58 | phale | Synrgy: I bought it off of e-bay if that helps |
| 16:16.59 | Filystyn | sorry for polish but |
| 16:17.08 | phale | I can probably check when it was first in stock |
| 16:17.10 | somiaj | SynrGy: yes that is it. (: |
| 16:17.16 | somiaj | Filystyn: does apt-get update fix your issue? |
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| 16:17.34 | phale | SynrGy: 3 years or so |
| 16:17.42 | SynrGy | phale: just wondering if the reseller did any work on it, perhaps partially unseating the card ... |
| 16:17.47 | phale | nope |
| 16:17.53 | SynrGy | that you know of |
| 16:17.56 | phale | it says, "new, packed, 12 month warranty" |
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| 16:18.00 | Filystyn | nope |
| 16:18.00 | SynrGy | so it says |
| 16:18.02 | phale | along with some specs |
| 16:18.03 | Filystyn | it di dnot fix it |
| 16:18.17 | SynrGy | so ebay sellers don't lie, hm? |
| 16:18.25 | SynrGy | well. i'll assume you're right for now. :) |
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| 16:18.43 | SynrGy | but if it were my system i'd try reseating the card, check things carefully |
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| 16:18.55 | Filystyn | auto remove fails |
| 16:18.55 | SynrGy | stuff can go wrong at the factory, too |
| 16:18.57 | somiaj | Filystyn: try remove (maybe moving or backing up first) all the lists in /var/lib/apt/lists and then run apt-get update see if that fixes the issue. |
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| 16:19.33 | phale | SynrGy: also |
| 16:19.36 | somiaj | Filystyn: or just remove the backport lists or remove them from your sources.list, seems there is a problem with something in the backport package list. |
| 16:19.44 | phale | after I lose the connection |
| 16:19.48 | phale | I can get it back in like 30 seconds or so |
| 16:19.52 | Filystyn | ok sec |
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| 16:19.57 | phale | without doing anything |
| 16:20.00 | phale | it just reappears |
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| 16:20.10 | somiaj | phale: what kinda of network are you on? |
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| 16:20.24 | Filystyn | remove everything in var/lib/apt/list ??? |
| 16:20.29 | somiaj | phale: single router wireless network, or some large network with multiple access points. |
| 16:20.35 | SynrGy | phale: yeah. i dunno. i'm 95% certain it's only a driver issue. but that other 5% uncertainty would have me check out other possibilities if it were my system: reseating card, etc. |
| 16:20.40 | phale | somiaj: single router wireless network |
| 16:20.51 | somiaj | Filystyn: I.d just remove the various package lists, seems the error is in the backports list. |
| 16:20.57 | phale | SynrGy: what's it programmed in |
| 16:21.01 | phale | i'll have a look at it |
| 16:21.15 | SynrGy | phale: er, what? |
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| 16:21.21 | phale | i want to fix the driver source |
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| 16:21.33 | WangDang_ | jelly: dpkg-reconf grub-pc failed with "/usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: grub-pc is broken or not fully installed". But "apt-get install grub-pc" did the job. "dpkg --configure -a" now silently finishes, so problem solved. Thanks man! I guess I can just "rm -R /boot/grub-old" now? |
| 16:21.38 | SynrGy | well, it's in the kernel, so it would be C |
| 16:21.43 | phale | okay sure |
| 16:21.53 | phale | it's non-free sadly |
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| 16:21.56 | phale | so it has no source code i assume |
| 16:22.00 | SynrGy | no. |
| 16:22.00 | phale | at least not publicly |
| 16:22.02 | somiaj | phale: well my experience with a similar realtek card was I kept loosing association with the AP (Which didn't happen in windows) so I just went with crappy realtek drivers and bought a usb dongle. |
| 16:22.08 | SynrGy | phale: the kernel driver is not non-free |
| 16:22.13 | SynrGy | phale: the *firmware* is non-free |
| 16:22.20 | phale | somiaj: don't USB Dongles cost money per month? |
| 16:22.26 | SynrGy | but that's different. that's the binary blob that gets loaded into the card |
| 16:22.27 | phale | SynrGy: that's what i was talking about |
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| 16:22.31 | jelly | WangDang_: probably, but it'd be better to verify the machine actually boots before doing it |
| 16:22.33 | somiaj | phale: I'm talking about a wireless usb dongle, cost me like $8 |
| 16:22.38 | phale | oh |
| 16:22.41 | somiaj | phale: not a 3G/4G one. |
| 16:22.42 | phale | the one that connects to your network? |
| 16:22.43 | SynrGy | phale: we don't know if the firmware (provided by the vendor) is buggy |
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| 16:22.55 | SynrGy | phale: it's highly likely it's a bug in the driver. |
| 16:23.11 | somiaj | you can also download newer firmware from realtek than the firmware debian provides and it may fix some issues. |
| 16:23.41 | somiaj | I never got as far as trying to compile a newer module from the realtek code, the cheap usb wifi dongle from cisco worked fine for me. |
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| 16:23.46 | WangDang_ | jelly: OK, will do a reboot first. Thanks for your help. I couldn't have fixed that on my own. |
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| 16:23.56 | phale | somiaj: okay i'll get a wifi dongle probably |
| 16:23.59 | phale | or replace the WiFi card |
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| 16:24.31 | Filystyn | somijaj i removed that one single list and |
| 16:24.32 | somiaj | phale: I have seen people have no issues with the realtek cards, I'm just saying my single experience wasn't the best. |
| 16:24.32 | Filystyn | it works |
| 16:24.36 | Filystyn | thank you very much;) |
| 16:24.44 | somiaj | Filystyn: did you run apt-get update afterwards? |
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| 16:24.55 | phale | SynrGy: looks like theres no hope for me :( |
| 16:24.58 | Filystyn | running now |
| 16:25.08 | somiaj | Filystyn: did it generate a broken list again, if so could be the mirror you are getting the backports lists from is corrupt. |
| 16:25.24 | somiaj | Filystyn: and the fix there is try a different mirror or just remove the backports sources.list line |
| 16:25.36 | Filystyn | it works perfect now |
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| 16:25.38 | SynrGy | phale: sure there's hope. the dongle or replacement wifi card are perfectly good solutions |
| 16:25.43 | phale | okay |
| 16:25.47 | phale | so when I buy a wifi dongle |
| 16:25.52 | phale | you don't mean one of those dongles that give you free internet |
| 16:25.55 | Filystyn | after updating still ok so i think problem solved;-) |
| 16:25.56 | phale | but those that give access to a wifi network |
| 16:26.02 | SynrGy | phale: right. |
| 16:26.05 | phale | ok good |
| 16:26.13 | phale | does it have to be specific to my router? |
| 16:26.15 | phale | or can it be any |
| 16:26.15 | somiaj | phale: no I mean you just a usb wifi device (I find this cheaper and easier than replacing the actual wifi card in the machine) |
| 16:26.25 | jelly | WangDang_: I hope you have console access, in case it fails |
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| 16:26.37 | somiaj | phale: it has to have the same wifi capadability as your router requirs like a,b,g,n etc. But it is just a wifi device. |
| 16:26.44 | phale | 11n |
| 16:26.47 | phale | okay then |
| 16:27.05 | SynrGy | and do your research first with candidate purchases. make sure it isn't one that has a bunch of issues |
| 16:27.16 | WangDang_ | jelly: I was just thinka |
| 16:27.43 | WangDang_ | jelly: oops, I was just thinking about the same thing. I can hook up a serial console, if I have to |
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| 16:28.11 | SynrGy | my experience in this area is probably way out of date ... but istr Alfa makes some good stuff |
| 16:28.34 | somiaj | phale: you may want to get the chipset of the device before buying it and check if it is supported, but that is just my suggestion when buying any hardware for linux |
| 16:29.22 | phale | ok |
| 16:29.28 | phale | any alternative solutions for now? |
| 16:29.37 | SynrGy | AWUSO36H or so |
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| 16:29.47 | SynrGy | has the advantage of pulling in distant signals pretty well |
| 16:29.57 | SynrGy | might be bigger and bulkier than you like, though |
| 16:30.14 | McD | Hi, there, i am sick of noobs telling their ideas of how to try things..., i am not here for research, but for a solution to my question. Is there a possibility to relocate my /bin - directory onto a new partition, and still be part of the usual root-filesystem, imagine, that i just forgot to put /bin on /dev/sda6 at installation-time.... |
| 16:30.24 | somiaj | phale: I'm still a fan of using wired connenctions whenever I can. (: |
| 16:30.39 | jelly | McD: no |
| 16:30.56 | SynrGy | phale: that doesn't constitute a recommendation of this over any other dongles ... as i said, it has been years since i looked. it's just the one i know worked well about 5 years ago. |
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| 16:31.27 | somiaj | McD: /bin is usually fairly small, and most likely wouldn't be worth putting on its own partition (pluss I think it is needed to mount other partitions so it should be on the same partion as root) |
| 16:31.51 | jelly | McD: there is absolutely no possibility of putting /bin on a separate mountpoint. It's silly, and your evading to provide additional info is also silly. You're silly. |
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| 16:32.14 | McD | somiaj: i am here for a solution, not to hear , what you think, nor believe.... |
| 16:33.05 | somiaj | McD: the solution is no, you can't put /bin on its own partition. But feel free to try if you want. |
| 16:33.11 | SynrGy | we are hear to help people with reasonable needs arrive at reasonable solutions. |
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| 16:33.13 | SynrGy | here* |
| 16:33.45 | phale | SynrGy: ok ok |
| 16:33.46 | SynrGy | i concur with jelly that putting /bin elsewhere sounds loopy |
| 16:33.47 | McD | somiaj: it is possible at the time of installation...., so...what... |
| 16:33.49 | phale | but are there any alternatives |
| 16:33.56 | phale | i'm buying a dongle tomorrow but i want to try out some other things |
| 16:33.57 | SynrGy | phale: that was for McD, not you |
| 16:34.00 | phale | I know |
| 16:34.08 | somiaj | I guess you could try, you may need to keep /bin/mount and some other key tools in /bin from the root filesystem until the full /bin is mounted with the maybe 20megs of files. |
| 16:34.21 | SynrGy | phale: i'm sure there are lots of working dongles. |
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| 16:34.54 | SynrGy | phale: the trick is to come up with a short list of ones you're personally interested in, and check the chipsets of your short list first. |
| 16:35.08 | somiaj | McD: unix deals with files, just boot a live system, cp -a the files to a new partition. Configure fstab to mount that partition |
| 16:35.23 | SynrGy | phale: i think we've run to the end of things we can try without opening up the laptop |
| 16:35.32 | phale | oh . |
| 16:35.38 | somiaj | McD: a more standard thing is to put /usr on its own partiton and that gets /usr/bin and /usr/sbin |
| 16:36.26 | somiaj | McD: but things in /bin may be needed before the partition is mounted, but feel free to see if it works if that is what you want. |
| 16:36.31 | McD | somiaj: i am not taling about /var , or /usr, for a reason...., i am asking particular for /bin |
| 16:36.52 | phale | SynrGy: can i also say one thing unrelated to my laptop |
| 16:37.04 | phale | sometimes when i'm using my tablet it disconnects and i have to restart the connection |
| 16:37.06 | somiaj | McD: also you should be less hostil twoards people trying to help by giving you reasonable solutions. We smell an X-Y problem, it is nice to solve the actual problem (: |
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| 16:37.09 | phale | but much rarely |
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| 16:37.43 | jelly | McD: show your current setup and disk usage so an actual solution to "root filesystem too small or full" can be proposed. "df" output, in a pastebin, please |
| 16:38.15 | SynrGy | phale: wireless can be funny sometimes. across different devices. it's just life |
| 16:38.28 | jelly | blames the debian-installer that in 2015 still leads people to creating a 500MB separate / |
| 16:38.38 | SynrGy | all sorts of stuff is zinging through the air. especially with neighbours with wireless nearby |
| 16:39.00 | McD | IRC made me this way..., a lot of questions, by noobs... , that do not hold any certificate...., they are just guessing, or giving wrong statements... |
| 16:39.09 | SynrGy | at work we have one AP that is a nuisance to connect to. i frequently can't see it from my devices even when i'm right next to it. |
| 16:39.22 | somiaj | jelly: funny how an issue that originiated due to floppies being so small still lives in partitioning and file locations (: |
| 16:39.25 | SynrGy | i blame the downstairs neighbours :) |
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| 16:41.23 | somiaj | SynrGy: I've so far been happy with the linksys wifi extender I got, seems my router just was to flaky to get from the office to the bedroom. Wish devices would more easily switch ap's though, usually causes a disconnect from any services when the device switches to the extender AP |
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| 16:42.24 | SynrGy | yeah |
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| 17:00.31 | Kenjin_ | hello |
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| 17:03.44 | Kenjin_ | I'm experience what it seems to me weird behaviour with the rsyslog package, with regard to privilege drop and file permissions. First it seems that $PrivDropToGroupID is not able to find the group by id. If I specify $PrivDropToGroup adm, it will resolve to 4, but specifying 4 in the previous command fails to find the group. |
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| 17:05.19 | Kenjin_ | also (I'm using rsyslog inside a docker container, might mess file permission handling?) if I mount a user file inside the container with permissions say 1001:1001, $PrivDropToGroup adm and $PrivDropToUser daemon does not get read access |
| 17:05.36 | Kenjin_ | even if change the file permissions to 1001:adm before running rsyslog |
| 17:05.40 | dontknow | google was caught downloading spyware on debian |
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| 17:06.22 | dontknow | http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/06/not-ok-google-chromium-voice-extension-pulled-after-spying-concerns/ |
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| 17:08.00 | dontknow | https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/06/msg01114.html |
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| 17:09.45 | dontknow | chromium should be deleted from debian |
| 17:10.02 | jelly | dontknow: please read Don's response to that mailing list article you linked, and DO NOT PANIC |
| 17:10.39 | dontknow | jelly, i don't use it anyway. just saying |
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| 17:11.07 | jelly | dontknow: you should know the facts before you go "just saying" around |
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| 17:11.32 | dontknow | jelly, i read the bug report. i know what it is. what are you trying to say? |
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| 17:11.51 | jelly | dontknow: read Don's answer, please. |
| 17:12.26 | jelly | "See https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=786909#81 for details as to why it doesn't matter in Debian." |
| 17:12.27 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/786909 in chromium (closed, upstream, fixed-upstream, help, confirmed, security): «chromium: unconditionally downloads binary blob»; severity: serious; opened: 2015-05-26; last modified: 2015-06-21. |
| 17:12.33 | jelly | let's not spread FUD. |
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| 17:14.03 | dontknow | jelly, reading |
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| 17:15.10 | jelly | next time perhaps read first, before spreading misleading information in public channels |
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| 17:16.17 | rmblrd21 | is it possible to have application folders in the dash panel? |
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| 17:18.28 | dontknow | jelly, do you justify that chromium downloads blob without your consent even if it doesn't work? |
| 17:19.00 | somiaj | jelly: how is that "Don's" answer, I see Michael's name on it or am I missing something. |
| 17:19.02 | dontknow | also "Except that the actual contents of the downloaded files in many ways do not actually matter." |
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| 17:20.43 | dontknow | it is not a satisfactory answer |
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| 17:25.12 | GPenguin | dontknow: how i read the posting you linked is: they had the technical possibility and refuse to use it |
| 17:25.55 | dontknow | GPenguin, what do you mean? |
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| 17:27.07 | GPenguin | dontknow: your concern that your privacy could be violated is not justified based on what you linked above |
| 17:27.26 | jelly | GPenguin, dontknow: this non-support discussion is probably better suited for #debian-offtopic |
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| 17:29.38 | dontknow | GPenguin, as i said i don't use chromium. i am saying this for people who need to know what it is |
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| 17:33.08 | GPenguin | dontknow: this is not the right platform to make users aware of problems. its for technical support only. |
| 17:33.35 | dontknow | iceweasel also has google's malicious site preventing stuff which it is only for phoning google |
| 17:34.34 | GPenguin | dontknow: do you have a technical support question? |
| 17:36.24 | dontknow | GPenguin, why isn't iceweasel being compiled with "ac_add_options --disable-safe-browsing" flag. i guess it is pretty much technical |
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| 17:37.27 | GPenguin | dontknow: you could contact the package maintainer to find out about such details |
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| 17:39.26 | dontknow | whatever. it is obvious that you are going to prevent me saying such privacy concerning thing |
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| 17:39.59 | GPenguin | you can discuss such things on #debian-offtopic if you want |
| 17:40.03 | jelly | dontknow: mostly because you're not actually caring about technical issues like "this doesn't even work in Debian" |
| 17:41.14 | WangDang_ | jelly: my machine didn't boot. Turns out the new /boot/grub had only the file unicode.pf2 in it. Shouldn't apt-get install grub-pc have filled up /boot/grub? |
| 17:43.17 | jelly | WangDang_: hmm. if the directory did not exist at all, then yes, it should have been created and populated at installation time |
| 17:43.34 | jelly | and since you moved it away, presumably it did not exist |
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| 17:44.18 | WangDang_ | I verified with an ls -lF /boot that it had been moved |
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| 17:44.38 | WangDang_ | so the directory was created, but populated with only unicode.pf2 |
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| 17:45.43 | WangDang_ | So I have a new kernel supposedly installed according to dpkg -l but it does not appear in the boot menu. |
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| 17:46.33 | WangDang_ | jelly: should I try to run update-grub manually? |
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| 17:46.52 | valdyn | WangDang_: "dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc" |
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| 17:47.27 | ponyofdeath | hi anyone know DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS for not building man pages into the package? |
| 17:47.40 | WangDang_ | valdyn: I've tried that already |
| 17:47.44 | jelly | WangDang_: run "grub-install /dev/sda" assuming /dev/sda is your boot disk, then run update-grub |
| 17:48.15 | valdyn | WangDang_: and? |
| 17:48.26 | valdyn | WangDang_: does that not populate /boot ? |
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| 17:48.58 | jelly | valdyn: no, it doesn't. We tried that already. :-) |
| 17:49.00 | WangDang_ | valdyn: runs throught the process of asking me to confirm boot time arguments, ends, and /boot/grub still isn't populated |
| 17:49.11 | valdyn | WangDang_: reinstall your grub packages |
| 17:50.09 | jelly | valdyn: this is a continuation of a question from couple hours back |
| 17:50.27 | valdyn | jelly: i see |
| 17:50.37 | valdyn | jelly: or i dont, since this cant be a hard problem |
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| 17:52.47 | WangDang_ | jelly: I've got the boot record installed to sda1 so your command would be "grub-install /dev/sda1" then? |
| 17:53.20 | WangDang_ | valdyn: I've already tried reinstalling grub-pc. Should i try to reinstall the other grub packages? |
| 17:53.31 | valdyn | WangDang_: yes, and use confmiss |
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| 17:53.41 | valdyn | WangDang_: or just tell us how you broke this possibly |
| 17:53.56 | valdyn | !confmiss |
| 17:53.56 | dpkg | You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>. |
| 17:54.54 | jelly | WangDang_: ignore him, I've reproduced your /boot/grub state on jessie, just do a grub-install /dev/sda and then update-grub |
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| 17:55.59 | WangDang_ | jelly: did you see my question about my boot record being on sda1 instead of sda? |
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| 17:56.29 | grinchier | jelly: "Chromium, the open-source version of Google Chrome, had abused its position as trusted upstream to insert lines of source code that bypassed this audit-then-build process, and which downloaded and installed a black box of unverifiable executable code directly onto computers, essentially rendering them compromised" |
| 17:56.40 | grinchier | and if you support them, your poison to the open source philosphy |
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| 17:57.19 | somiaj | WangDang_: why do you want it on /dev/sda1, I think if you put it there it will only boot if 1) /dev/sda has not boot loader in it (or the standard mbr header) and 2) /dev/sda1 is set as bootable flag. |
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| 17:58.44 | WangDang_ | somiaj: it's a habit from long ago. This box has been set up like that for years and it has always booted properly |
| 17:59.06 | WangDang_ | I'm just having problems since upgrading to jessie |
| 17:59.15 | jelly | WangDang_: is this a dual boot machine? |
| 17:59.22 | WangDang_ | no |
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| 17:59.45 | jelly | WangDang_: do you have special platform requirements not to tamper with MBR code? |
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| 17:59.57 | alfon | Hi, Since I upgraded Debian (7 to 8) Xorg stop working. I've an old ThinkPad X31 with Radeon RV100 card. On Debian 7 all works fine, now I must enable KMS (radeon.modeset=1) to get Xorg work (but is extremely slow). Any idea? |
| 18:00.37 | somiaj | alfon: what desktop are you using? do you have linux-firmware-nonfree installed (assuming you are using the radeon free driver?) |
| 18:00.47 | WangDang_ | jelly: It's a habit from long ago. Like I said to somaij, it's working fine on sda1 except for this grub problem |
| 18:00.49 | jelly | WangDang_: does this machine use new UEFI or classic, legacy BIOS to boot? |
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| 18:01.09 | WangDang_ | classic legacy, it's a pIII |
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| 18:02.27 | alfon | somiaj: yes I'm using the radeon driver and I installed linux-firmware-nonfree. I'm using Openbox window manager |
| 18:02.42 | jelly | WangDang_: then install it on /dev/sda and don't worry |
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| 18:03.17 | alfon | Before the update I did not haver to use KMS to get Xorg work |
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| 18:03.28 | WangDang_ | I'd like to not change that given that it works fine. Should your command then be "grub-install /dev/sda1"? |
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| 18:03.40 | somiaj | alfon: well the radeon driver now depends on kms (since the radeon kernel module is a kms module) |
| 18:03.48 | jelly | WangDang_: I don't think that can work |
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| 18:04.34 | somiaj | WangDang_: if for some reason the mbr on /dev/sda got change it could break it from working on /dev/sda1, the safeest way is just to install grub on the mbr of the disk not the partition. |
| 18:04.35 | alfon | somiaj: It not possible to use radeon withou KMS? |
| 18:04.45 | jelly | WangDang_: grub uses free space before sda1 for its code and modules |
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| 18:04.52 | somiaj | alfon: not and use the radeon drivers. There are very slow vesa drivers you could use. |
| 18:05.17 | WangDang_ | I guess my question should be "does 'grub-install' install a boot record"? |
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| 18:05.50 | valdyn | WangDang_: yes |
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| 18:06.29 | alfon | somiaj: And why is it so slow? |
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| 18:07.37 | somiaj | alfon: I'm unsure there. check /var/log/Xorg.0.log and make sure you are actually using radeon drivers, check glxinfo, xvinfo, and check that things are using the radeon drivers |
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| 18:08.33 | WangDang_ | jelly: you said you recreated my situation on jessie with an empty /boot/grub. And grub-install correctly populated it for you? |
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| 18:08.49 | alfon | somiaj: ok, there is no error on Xorg.0.log |
| 18:09.04 | jelly | WangDang_: yes, it created /boot/grub/i386-pc with modules and stuff |
| 18:09.05 | JohnnyL | Was anyone here yesterday when I reported terminal (KONSOLE) locking for about 3 minutes under debian 8? http://pastebin.com/Eyct3ywt |
| 18:09.09 | somiaj | alfon: and it is using the radeon drivers and not using vesa of some framebuffer driver? |
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| 18:09.31 | jelly | WangDang_: and update-grub generated grub.cfg afterwards |
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| 18:09.57 | cybrNaut | running "aptitude search bitcoin" does not include find "electrum" |
| 18:10.12 | JohnnyL | the diff of processes via diff and ps are 'interesting'. |
| 18:10.16 | cybrNaut | how can I use aptitude to search short descriptions for a pattern? |
| 18:10.27 | somiaj | cybrNaut: apt-cache search will search descriptsion by default |
| 18:11.11 | somiaj | cybrNaut: you have to tell aptitude search to search though descirptions, you can also search lots of other stuff. http://aptitude.alioth.debian.org/doc/en/ch02s04s05.html |
| 18:11.23 | alfon | somiaj: How do I know that? |
| 18:11.23 | JohnnyL | oh hi helly! |
| 18:11.26 | JohnnyL | jelly! |
| 18:11.29 | cybrNaut | somiaj: ah, thanks. I used to use apt-cache, and then reverted to aptitude.. didn't realize the difference |
| 18:11.52 | somiaj | alfon: by reading though the Xorg.0.log file and see exactly which drivers xorg is using |
| 18:12.12 | JohnnyL | i managed to get another terminal running. top was given most processes normal speed, but firefox was at 25% cpu. |
| 18:12.21 | eletious | hey guys |
| 18:12.25 | somiaj | cybrNaut: aptitude search can be far more powerful, but by default it only searches names, while apt-cache searches names and descriptions. |
| 18:12.36 | somiaj | cybrNaut: note apt-cache does have a --names-only flag |
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| 18:12.42 | eletious | I'm trying to use /etc/hosts to make other users of this computer unable to access certain websites |
| 18:13.06 | somiaj | eletious: that may not stop them, as in ips could still be used. |
| 18:13.14 | eletious | somiaj: I understand |
| 18:13.15 | somiaj | eletious: a firewall and blocking ips would be far more efficitive. |
| 18:13.30 | eletious | somiaj: hmm. |
| 18:14.19 | valdyn | eletious: you cant really do this without restricting a whole lot |
| 18:14.40 | eletious | valdyn: It's more a proof of concept than anything else |
| 18:14.41 | valdyn | eletious: so just blocking names may be good enough or blocking ips may not be enough either |
| 18:14.44 | JohnnyL | somiaj: the latest is 'vaginal mesh walls' ala star trek's 'static warp shell'. |
| 18:15.02 | alfon | somiaj: according the log I'm using radeon_drv.so |
| 18:15.14 | valdyn | eletious: technically anyone who can use a browser can access *anything* anyway |
| 18:15.40 | eletious | valdyn: as it stands, users who go to "purple.com" and "thebest.com" get routed to an internal server |
| 18:16.11 | somiaj | alfon: well if you want can you paste the full output of dmesg and your /var/log/Xorg.0.log at paste.debian.net |
| 18:16.12 | eletious | valdyn: but typing "wireshark.org" does not, even though it's in the same list of aliases as the other addresses |
| 18:16.26 | somiaj | alfon: I could see if I see anything that could be causing your issues, so far I'm just guessing the common culprits. |
| 18:16.42 | valdyn | eletious: maybe your typo, maybe the browser needs to be restarted |
| 18:16.46 | eletious | Could this have something to do with the fact that wireshark.org uses https? |
| 18:16.57 | valdyn | eletious: no |
| 18:17.07 | somiaj | yea browers like to cache their own ip's and not use the systems resolver |
| 18:17.10 | [Lemmy] | hey guys... i'm having a little trouble with a debian jessie install |
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| 18:17.18 | JohnnyL | hm looking particularly at ps, plugincontainer (the only closed source shit I have) could be the culprit. |
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| 18:18.12 | alfon | somiaj: ok, I tried... let me see |
| 18:18.31 | eletious | If I can't get this to work, what firewalls would you guys suggest? |
| 18:18.53 | valdyn | eletious: you need to tell us what you want to achieve |
| 18:19.04 | somiaj | eletious: firewalls usually boil down to useing iptables to configure them. Unsure of the tools to help build iptables rules. |
| 18:19.11 | valdyn | eletious: a technical lockdown is not possible without blocking most of the internet |
| 18:19.19 | valdyn | eletious: i.e. a whitelist |
| 18:19.31 | eletious | I want to keep people from wasting time using facebook and youtube while they're here |
| 18:19.39 | eletious | that's the end goal |
| 18:19.52 | valdyn | eletious: who is "people" ? workers? |
| 18:19.56 | eletious | yes |
| 18:20.09 | valdyn | eletious: and you have only a single workstation computer? |
| 18:20.15 | JohnnyL | this beats being on phone with windows support. |
| 18:20.20 | eletious | It's a project i've been given with no equipment or experience |
| 18:20.20 | JohnnyL | but not by much. |
| 18:20.33 | [Lemmy] | how do i get my jessie to start rpcbind and nis in the right order? |
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| 18:20.47 | eletious | valdyn: I have 2 laptops, we all have windows laptops or chromebooks |
| 18:20.49 | [Lemmy] | every time i boot i have to login as root and do a systemctl restart nis autofs |
| 18:20.57 | valdyn | eletious: they all have to use the same router |
| 18:21.07 | valdyn | eletious: to even access the internet |
| 18:21.14 | [Lemmy] | and from the journal it looks to me as if nis/ypbind gets started at boot time before rpcbind is ready |
| 18:21.21 | eletious | valdyn: yes, I'm aware |
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| 18:21.45 | eletious | valdyn: the original plan was to use a dns server to redirect traffic to those websites |
| 18:21.55 | valdyn | eletious: so you can either block ips on that router or force them to use a specific nameserver that does not resolve those blocked names |
| 18:22.08 | somiaj | eletious: are you worried about them 'tricking' your block, i.e. what if they set up a proxy at home to connect to youtube. |
| 18:22.46 | eletious | somiaj: no, if someone really wants to connect to youtube that bad, so be it. This is just something my boss is asking me to do, and he tells me it's "high priority" |
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| 18:23.07 | eletious | my initial response was "dude what are you talking about I have no idea what I'm doing, I only use linux recreationally" |
| 18:23.51 | jelly | JohnnyL: 25% is one whole core pegged, if your CPU has four cores (or 2 + 2 hyperthreads) |
| 18:23.55 | valdyn | eletious: this is not to hard.. |
| 18:24.06 | eletious | valdyn: there are so many IPs for youtube though |
| 18:24.13 | valdyn | eletious: of course, so block the name |
| 18:24.47 | jelly | JohnnyL: but one core used out of four shouldn't make other process go stalling for tens of seconds |
| 18:24.53 | valdyn | eletious: we already know now that name block is not safe, but its good enough |
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| 18:26.00 | valdyn | eletious: now find the common nameserver and redirect those names.... |
| 18:27.39 | alfon | somiaj: Ok, you can see Xorg.0.log on paste.debian.net/261330 |
| 18:27.50 | valdyn | eletious: oh and tell your boss that he needs to be aware that he is risking internet outages by giving you this job |
| 18:28.01 | valdyn | eletious: (but that may not be a problem) |
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| 18:29.37 | alfon | somiaj: And dmesg on paste.debian.net/261342 |
| 18:29.43 | pksadiq | eletious: my 2 cents: you may try opendns as dns. It seems to have some website blocking (anti)features: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDNS#DNS_services_for_personal_home_use |
| 18:29.56 | alfon | somiaj: Thank you for you help |
| 18:30.36 | eletious | valdyn: I told him that there's a good chance that I will break everything... the options he's given me thus far involve me learning how to professionally set up a network |
| 18:30.52 | eletious | which, to be honest, I'd be all about, if there wasn't a small business at risk |
| 18:31.02 | alfon | I don't understand why now KMS is necessary to work with radeon driver on Xorg |
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| 18:34.49 | valdyn | alfon: you dont need to understand architectural software design decisions |
| 18:35.01 | valdyn | alfon: but they are still being made... |
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| 18:35.28 | valdyn | alfon: i think the main thing behind this was that Xorg has no business messing with the pci bus |
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| 18:36.18 | WangDang_ | jelly: you're right "grub-install /dev/sda1" didn't work. I ran "grub-install /dev/sda ; update-grub" and that has created and populated /boot/grub, but the generated grub.cfg has zero kernels in it |
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| 18:37.33 | jelly | WangDang_: that's weird. ls -l /etc/grub.d/ ? |
| 18:38.04 | alfon | valdyn: Forgive my ignorance But what does that mean? |
| 18:38.28 | JohnnyL | jelly: i have 8 effective cores. |
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| 18:38.51 | JohnnyL | jelly: it stalled for 3 1/2 minutes or so. |
| 18:38.55 | alfon | valdyn: I thought that it was an AGP card |
| 18:38.58 | JohnnyL | jelly: did you see my paste? |
| 18:39.02 | WangDang_ | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/7b0b2e8b/ |
| 18:40.26 | alfon | I'll have to go back to Debian 7 to get Xorg works again... |
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| 18:40.33 | MikeWorth | Hi, I'm trying to access some emails in icedove that were downloaded from an email account that I have since lost access to. I've had a look in .icedove/[profile]/ImapMail/[account] and have found a load of INDBOX-[number].msf files, but not the INBOX file that I was expecting to find the emails in. Does this mean that they're gone? |
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| 18:40.38 | jelly | WangDang_: some cruft in there, rm those /etc/grub.d/*_orig files |
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| 18:42.04 | jelly | WangDang_: but others have the same size as here on jessie which means they probably haven't been tampered with, so I'm not sure why update-grub would fail to find kernels. |
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| 18:43.18 | eletious | pksadiq: I'm going to try that out, thanks |
| 18:43.20 | valdyn | alfon: the interface to access agp is the same as the interface to access pci |
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| 18:44.52 | WangDang_ | jelly: so now what. This is not the happy outcome to a dist-upgrade |
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| 18:45.51 | jelly | WangDang_: remove cruft, try update-grub again, see what happens |
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| 18:46.12 | alfon | valdyn: And there is a PCI access problem? |
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| 18:46.45 | alfon | valdyn: How can I fix it? |
| 18:47.03 | valdyn | alfon: this technical stuff is totally irrelevant |
| 18:47.09 | valdyn | alfon: you jsut asked about it |
| 18:49.04 | valdyn | alfon: does /etc/X11/xorg.conf exist? |
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| 18:51.24 | valdyn | alfon: nevermind, this is so not a debian kernel , i cant help you |
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| 18:54.08 | jelly | WangDang_: did cleaning up /etc/grub.d/ make any difference |
| 18:54.18 | alfon_ | valdyn: yes, you can see it on paste.debian.net/263 |
| 18:54.37 | alfon_ | valdyn: yes, you can see it on paste.debian.net/261353 |
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| 18:57.36 | JohnnyL | jelly: ? |
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| 18:58.09 | jelly | JohnnyL: ! |
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| 18:59.31 | jelly | JohnnyL: oh, I looked at the paste but don't see anything like a clue |
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| 19:07.25 | JohnnyL | jelly: ok |
| 19:07.59 | JohnnyL | jelly: the /usr/bin/kdeinit4 --suicide |
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| 19:08.03 | JohnnyL | was alarming to me |
| 19:09.07 | JohnnyL | but the biggest diff was the plugin-container. |
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| 19:09.29 | jelly | that's probably because you have a tab open with flash |
| 19:09.34 | WangDang_ | jelly: That created a proper grub.cfg. I've rebooted and everythiing is hunkydory. I've booted into my shiny new 3.16 kernel. I gotta say, a systemd boot is kinda spooky: I had maybe ten lines of boot messages print out at the very beginning, then nothing until I got the login prompt. |
| 19:09.51 | WangDang_ | jelly: anyway, thanks again. Your help is much appreciated |
| 19:09.54 | JohnnyL | jelly: yeah, but maybe i closed it and released the stall. |
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| 19:11.22 | jelly | WangDang_: maybe you "quiet" in /etc/default/grub GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX* lines. If you remove that and rerun update-grub boot process will be a bit more verbose. |
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| 19:11.39 | greycat | "a bit" |
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| 19:11.42 | jelly | argh, someone my verb |
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| 19:12.55 | WangDang_ | jelly: OK, I'll try that, thanks |
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| 19:13.26 | WangDang_ | jelly: should I report that upgrade glitch anywhere? |
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| 19:14.47 | LiterallyWhy | Does anyone use rtorrent? |
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| 19:15.08 | greycat | !anyone |
| 19:15.09 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 19:15.24 | jelly | WangDang_: no packaging scripts or dpkg would rename files with _orig suffix. Is it possible you or some other admin edited something in /etc/grub.d/ a long time ago, and may update-grub had been broken since |
| 19:16.18 | jelly | judd: popcon rtorrent |
| 19:16.19 | judd | Popcon data for rtorrent: inst: 3000, vote: 597, old: 2296, recent: 105, nofiles: 2 |
| 19:16.20 | WangDang_ | OK, I'll leave it be then |
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| 19:16.51 | LiterallyWhy | So you know how you can download files selectively using permissions? |
| 19:16.54 | jelly | LiterallyWhy: there have been 105 recent reports of people having rtorrent installed. But maybe not using it. |
| 19:16.56 | dontknow | LiterallyWhy, i used it once |
| 19:17.11 | LiterallyWhy | rtorrent still downloads a dummy file that 0 bytes |
| 19:17.37 | greycat | If you're talking about downloading only selected parts of a torrent, no, I did not know it had such a feature. |
| 19:17.38 | LiterallyWhy | Is there anyway to stop it from doing that? It gets annoying for torrents that have hundreds of files |
| 19:17.50 | jelly | LiterallyWhy: it puts a placeholder when starting the torrent, yeah |
| 19:18.16 | jelly | you can wipe 0-length files with a single command later |
| 19:18.37 | LiterallyWhy | which command is that? |
| 19:18.58 | dontknow | LiterallyWhy, are you talking about verifying the file before download? |
| 19:19.03 | unborn | jelly, that command would be useful - would you mind to share it with us (please and massive thanks) |
| 19:19.04 | greycat | this would probably work: find . -size 0 -type f -delete |
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| 19:19.20 | dontknow | LiterallyWhy, sorry i mean creation file before download |
| 19:19.22 | jelly | LiterallyWhy: find /some/dir -type f -size 0 -delete |
| 19:19.37 | unborn | thanks jelly |
| 19:19.41 | LiterallyWhy | Gotcha |
| 19:20.07 | LiterallyWhy | dontknow, I'm talking about only downloading certain files in a torrent |
| 19:20.26 | jelly | some shells have it easier, zsh has an extended glob syntax so *(.L0) matches all regular files of size 0 |
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| 19:20.48 | jelly | or even **/*(.L0) recursively |
| 19:21.36 | dontknow | i also don't like transmission creates files that i didn't check |
| 19:22.21 | LiterallyWhy | dontknow, I actually think thats a transmission bug |
| 19:22.25 | jelly | LiterallyWhy: I didn't know about permissions, usually I browse the files in rtorrent and use space to set priority to that do-not-download setting |
| 19:22.47 | LiterallyWhy | ugh was I saying permissions? I meant priority |
| 19:22.57 | LiterallyWhy | Thats what I do as well |
| 19:23.06 | jelly | its UI is ugly, but efficient |
| 19:23.08 | LiterallyWhy | but itll still download the placeholder |
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| 19:24.23 | dontknow | LiterallyWhy, i said that independent of your problem :) |
| 19:25.03 | LiterallyWhy | Yeah I know |
| 19:25.28 | LiterallyWhy | but with transmission I think thats an actual bug because it'll download portions of the files that you didn't select |
| 19:25.38 | jelly | LiterallyWhy: I wonder if you can add a torrent, not start it, then set some files to not download, then start it? |
| 19:25.46 | dontknow | LiterallyWhy, yes. it is annoying |
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| 19:25.55 | jelly | LiterallyWhy: that can't be helped due to chunking |
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| 19:26.06 | LiterallyWhy | jelly, That's literally what I'm doing |
| 19:26.16 | jelly | ah |
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| 19:27.00 | greycat | In that case, it sounds like something you'd have to discuss with the authors of rtorrent. |
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| 19:27.23 | LiterallyWhy | I would file a bug report but I doubt this is an actual bug |
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| 19:27.49 | greycat | more of a change request |
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| 19:28.11 | jelly | could file a Priority: wishlist bug, and hope the maintainer forwards it upstream? |
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| 19:28.31 | greycat | You can try. |
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| 19:28.51 | LiterallyWhy | I've never actually filed anything before... |
| 19:28.56 | jelly | it's a small application, probably not too hard to fix it |
| 19:29.06 | jelly | !reportbug |
| 19:29.07 | dpkg | reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/, or see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s04#problem-report for some general information about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting. Also ask me about <report-bugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/reportbug http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
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| 19:30.23 | LiterallyWhy | Wouldn't it be more appropriate to file this on their github? |
| 19:30.55 | LiterallyWhy | Also a small question about sid. Why are some packages selectively very old? |
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| 19:30.57 | greycat | You can try that. But choose one or the other. It's bad form to file a bug in Debian *and* upstream. |
| 19:31.11 | LiterallyWhy | Libreoffice and MATE for example |
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| 19:32.43 | jelly | LiterallyWhy: both of those are huge projects and it takes a lot of work to prepare new releases |
| 19:34.02 | jelly | also being huge, they might be waiting with uploads for some other migration to finish |
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| 19:34.24 | LiterallyWhy | I see |
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| 19:34.57 | LiterallyWhy | But compared to fedora (I use it on my other machine) their version of libreofifice is much newer |
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| 19:35.38 | jhutchins | LiterallyWhy: Fedora is a development distribution, actively breaking things with new stuff all the time. |
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| 19:36.08 | jhutchins | LiterallyWhy: It's a (very) little bit like Debian Testing; it's where new things headed for RedHat go. |
| 19:36.10 | jelly | jhutchins: lol, and sid is not development? |
| 19:36.24 | eletious | jhutchins: I'm sorry, did you say awful wayland implementation? |
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| 19:36.52 | unborn | LiterallyWhy, the reason behind this is stability :) |
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| 19:37.12 | jelly | eletious: or "hey let's make our users create selinux policies for us" |
| 19:37.16 | jelly | hides |
| 19:37.25 | eletious | OH |
| 19:37.36 | LiterallyWhy | wait so fedora is more like debian experimental than sid? |
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| 19:38.00 | jelly | something like that |
| 19:38.09 | unborn | fedora is completely different form debian eh.. but you can say something like this |
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| 19:38.25 | eletious | LiterallyWhy: It's like this - you have Arch, which is like "LETS MAKE EVERYTHING SUPER UP TO DATE ALL THE TIME" and then Debian which is like "I like things that work, and take care of them... just don't mention my brother, he's gross" |
| 19:38.30 | unborn | *from |
| 19:38.33 | eletious | and fedora is in the missle |
| 19:38.46 | eletious | Wow. That was not even the word I wanted |
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| 19:39.27 | jelly | Arch has a wonderful wiki. |
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| 19:39.44 | eletious | but yeah, fedora is moderately stable, kind of does it's own thing... but every time RHEL wants something they inject their child with packages like a lab rat |
| 19:39.59 | rmblrd21 | hello. when logging out from gnome session i can see the virtual terminal for a few seconds before the login manager is shown again. how to supress this terminal? debian 8, gnome 3, intel graphics |
| 19:40.01 | eletious | jelly: I'd argue that Arch has the best wiki to be honest |
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| 19:40.34 | unborn | agree with eletious |
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| 19:43.24 | unborn | its time to watch downloaded torrents :) cya |
| 19:43.26 | eletious | rmblrd21: ...i've actually wondered the same thing for a while. I just got used to it... |
| 19:43.29 | jhutchins | Fedora's also how RedHat takes advantage of free community development and testing. |
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| 19:45.25 | eletious | to be fair, I don't think there's any distro that's immune to prods at the way things are run |
| 19:46.03 | LiterallyWhy | To be fair to fedora because I actually use it |
| 19:46.09 | LiterallyWhy | its very stable |
| 19:46.20 | eletious | indeed |
| 19:46.24 | LiterallyWhy | and if something does break its promptly fixed |
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| 19:46.38 | eletious | except wayland |
| 19:46.40 | LiterallyWhy | The packages are much more vanilla than debian |
| 19:46.46 | eletious | because they implemented it waaaaay too early lol |
| 19:46.53 | rmblrd21 | eletious, ubuntu 14.04 and fedora 22 do not show this behavior. So i was wondering what this could be |
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| 19:47.24 | eletious | rmblrd21: I've always had it regardless of distro :O |
| 19:47.46 | rmblrd21 | mh, no matter if gdm, lightdm, xdm? |
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| 19:48.53 | LiterallyWhy | Also debian groups some packages together which drives me up the wall sometimes |
| 19:49.26 | LiterallyWhy | like why the hell is nm-applet not grouped with networkmanager but with some gnome group? |
| 19:49.29 | eletious | Oh wait, you said between the logout and it displaying the DM? |
| 19:49.40 | rmblrd21 | yes |
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| 19:50.35 | eletious | oh. That is weird :P |
| 19:50.49 | eletious | what de/wm do you use? |
| 19:51.01 | eletious | you said gnome, duh :P |
| 19:51.01 | rmblrd21 | gdm3 |
| 19:51.13 | rmblrd21 | so when do you see that vt? |
| 19:51.35 | eletious | on shutdown |
| 19:51.41 | eletious | does it happen when you log in? |
| 19:51.43 | rmblrd21 | yes that too |
| 19:51.49 | rmblrd21 | not when logging in |
| 19:51.55 | rmblrd21 | but on shutdown as well |
| 19:52.14 | rmblrd21 | it's not seemless |
| 19:52.20 | eletious | on shutdown it's totally normal |
| 19:52.24 | jelly | ,v libreoffice |
| 19:52.25 | judd | Package: libreoffice on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:3.5.4+dfsg2-0+deb7u2; squeeze-backports: 1:3.5.4+dfsg2-0+deb7u4~bpo60+1; wheezy-security: 1:3.5.4+dfsg2-0+deb7u4; wheezy-backports: 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie: 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u1; jessie-security: 1:4.3.3-2+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 1:4.4.2-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 1:4.4.4~rc1-1+b1; sid: 1:4.4.4~rc2-1; experimental: 1:5.0.0~rc1-1 |
| 19:52.27 | eletious | the x server shuts off |
| 19:52.35 | eletious | the vt is all that's left |
| 19:52.43 | jelly | 4.4.4rc2 sounds fresh |
| 19:52.47 | rmblrd21 | did not have this on shutdown with ubuntu 14.04 |
| 19:52.55 | rmblrd21 | the made it cleaner. |
| 19:52.58 | jhutchins | rmblrd21: Console mode is constantly there at a lower level than X. If the system makes a faster transition you may not see it, or it can be masked, but it's always there. |
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| 19:53.33 | rmblrd21 | so that means ubuntu for example masked it? |
| 19:54.09 | LiterallyWhy | rmblrd21, are you talking about seeing the tty when shutting down? |
| 19:54.20 | rmblrd21 | yes and when logging out |
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| 19:54.37 | LiterallyWhy | yes ubuntu masks that |
| 19:54.45 | LiterallyWhy | Why is that an issue though? |
| 19:55.07 | eletious | LiterallyWhy: my guess is because it's not pretty |
| 19:55.27 | LiterallyWhy | I dont even use a DM |
| 19:55.38 | eletious | lol |
| 19:55.41 | eletious | what do you use? |
| 19:55.41 | rmblrd21 | yes, purely an aesthetic thing |
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| 19:55.55 | [Lemmy] | hi guys... i'm having a bit of trouble with debian jessie |
| 19:55.59 | LiterallyWhy | startx when I need to start an x session |
| 19:56.10 | LiterallyWhy | Oh, about the rtorrent then |
| 19:56.16 | LiterallyWhy | I dont have a github account |
| 19:56.26 | eletious | [Lemmy]: sup |
| 19:56.34 | rmblrd21 | so how would one mask this? |
| 19:56.36 | LiterallyWhy | Can any of you guys with one file that issue |
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| 19:56.51 | [Lemmy] | i'm running jessie on a raspi 2, and i need to have nis and autofs running, to get at my fileserver, but every time i boot the thing i have to login as root and do a systemctl restart nis autofs before i can use it |
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| 19:57.15 | LiterallyWhy | rmblrd21, there's that package that ubuntu uses but I forgot what it is. Thing is, it needs to be installed in the base system for it to work |
| 19:57.17 | [Lemmy] | nis.service and autofs.service are both enabled |
| 19:57.23 | greycat | lemmy: use "systemctl enable servicename" to make it run at boot time |
| 19:57.30 | greycat | oh |
| 19:57.40 | greycat | Then, uh, run more systemctl commands to find out what's wrong. |
| 19:57.59 | [Lemmy] | from journalctl i get the vague idea that nis.service gets started before the rpcbind is started properly |
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| 19:59.04 | LiterallyWhy | So yeah, you're going to need to find a distro that packages it |
| 19:59.05 | [Lemmy] | problem is, nis.service, autofs.service are not native systemd services so i can't edit the unit files to adjust the dependencies to get that right... and rpcbind.service is set up as static so i can't enable it to make it start earlier |
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| 20:00.51 | greycat | You could throw those restart commands into rc.local if that runs late enough. |
| 20:01.13 | [Lemmy] | true, but i'd rather have a solution instead of a workaround... XD |
| 20:01.17 | rmblrd21 | LiterallyWhy, thx, I'll have a look if I can find that package |
| 20:01.32 | greycat | I guess the solution is going to be rewriting the nis and autofs services as native systemd. |
| 20:01.32 | LiterallyWhy | You cant install it yourself |
| 20:01.37 | [Lemmy] | besides. does rc.local even still work on a systemd based linux? |
| 20:01.41 | greycat | yes |
| 20:01.41 | LiterallyWhy | I completely forgot the name sorry |
| 20:01.47 | rmblrd21 | np |
| 20:01.50 | LiterallyWhy | [Lemmy], yes |
| 20:01.58 | greycat | I've used rc.local on jessie, so I know it works. But I don't know how it works, timing-wise. |
| 20:02.19 | LiterallyWhy | Its better to just stick with the systemd stuff |
| 20:02.25 | LiterallyWhy | much cleaner in my experience |
| 20:02.51 | greycat | The problem here is Debian maintainers haven't gotten around to rewriting all of the packages as native systemd yet. |
| 20:03.17 | greycat | Apparently even really common basic important things like autofs. |
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| 20:04.54 | LiterallyWhy | Yeah I really dont like the systemd implementation in debian so far |
| 20:05.18 | greycat | It's highly incomplete/ |
| 20:05.22 | LiterallyWhy | Does anyone feel like filing that rtorrent issue or do I have to make a github? |
| 20:05.24 | [Lemmy] | guess i'll just grab the unit files for nis and autofs from redhat or suse and drop them in |
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| 20:06.16 | [Lemmy] | i dont even know why rpcbind is static |
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| 20:06.32 | [Lemmy] | on rhel and suse its a regulatservice that can be enabled |
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| 20:20.18 | phale | it appears the issue fixed itself, i still get lag spikes often but it works |
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| 20:22.52 | eletious | LiterallyWhy: dude just make an account |
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| 20:24.58 | drwahl | i'm using i3 and terminator and looking for some way to get bash tab-completion that is populated with the output from the previous command |
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| 20:26.06 | drwahl | the time i would use it most is when using openstack. the openstack CLI clients print things like UUID (amongst a shit-ton of other stuff) to stdout. i'd love to be able to tab-complete a UUID |
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| 20:26.49 | eb0t | hey is there a way to get python 3.3. on debian wheezy |
| 20:27.10 | greycat | compile it? |
| 20:27.41 | eb0t | im a bit worried that it may hav e major dependencies |
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| 20:47.35 | eletious | oh man |
| 20:47.46 | eletious | I want to buy a simple ethernet hub |
| 20:47.55 | eletious | a real small one, 5 ports max |
| 20:47.58 | eletious | Can't find one |
| 20:48.01 | eletious | it's killing me |
| 20:48.05 | armin | o.O |
| 20:48.07 | armin | ebay? |
| 20:48.37 | eletious | I blocked ebay traffic earlier today Q_Q |
| 20:48.43 | armin | hehe |
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| 20:48.51 | armin | i also don't use it. |
| 20:49.02 | eletious | ebay and amazon, specifically requested by $boss |
| 20:49.34 | eletious | there's an HP hub with 12 ports for like $200 |
| 20:49.50 | eletious | but i don't want 12 ports ffs, I just want to play around with it mostly |
| 20:50.37 | valdyn | eletious: theres no hubs |
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| 20:50.50 | valdyn | eletious: maybe you are *really* searching for "hubs", thats just wrong |
| 20:51.02 | eletious | Nope, surely looking for hubs |
| 20:51.06 | eletious | not trying to be secure |
| 20:51.12 | eletious | I'm trying to packet sniff |
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| 20:53.03 | eletious | is this wrong? Am I going about this the wrong way? |
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| 20:53.17 | eletious | Or I guess a more constructive question is: Is there a better way? |
| 20:53.27 | valdyn | eletious: hubs do what you want maybe, but a hub is so useless and cheap that no one is going to sell this |
| 20:53.59 | eletious | valdyn: which... is the problem I'm running into |
| 20:54.05 | valdyn | eletious: 4 port switch being like 7⬠here |
| 20:55.09 | valdyn | eletious: i dont know about advanced embedded switches that will support sniffing, but i would know how to build one myself |
| 20:55.30 | eletious | I feel like there's so much I'm missing trying to do things myself =.= |
| 20:56.25 | eletious | from what I understand doing it with a switch involves port mirroring... no idea how to do that |
| 20:56.30 | TJ- | eletious: a small Linux-compatible router with multiple ethernet ports will allow you to sniff packets in-transit if you put it in the egress path of your network |
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| 20:56.55 | valdyn | eletious: and linux computer can act as a hub with sniffing |
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| 20:57.16 | eletious | I'd need a PC with several ethernet ports in that case |
| 20:57.22 | eletious | hmmm |
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| 20:58.10 | valdyn | eletious: theres no real use case for this for consumers, so there those pcs you can build, or (expensive) industrial switches |
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| 20:58.40 | TJ- | eletious: something like a WRT router with openwrt or similar on, or any number of other small routers, will allow you to do that. |
| 20:58.59 | eletious | I'm going to go home and do some hard thinking, I'll be back probably soon I hope. Sorry if I'm asking dumb quesitons :P |
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| 20:59.22 | eletious | TJ-: I think there's a wrt-compliant router at microcenter... like 20 minutes away |
| 21:00.19 | jhutchins | eletious: Probably need to step back a level and think about what you're really trying to do rather than the method. |
| 21:00.34 | valdyn | eletious: technical curiousity aside theres probably no good reason why you need such switch |
| 21:00.57 | TJ- | eletious: anything with 2 or more ethernet ports on and Linux will do. You simply set it up as a straightforward router (no NATing) and then sniff traffic as it passes through. Using netfilters rules you can actively drop or refuse connections too |
| 21:01.52 | teraflops | Or a bridge ... |
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| 21:30.23 | otyugh__ | hey guys. Do your /etc/hdpram.conf is executed at boot up ? It don't seem to work for me, is there anything else to do than install it and edit this file N? |
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| 21:49.15 | Minty_64 | hello, I am wondering how to modify desktop settings, as in showing network icon on the desktop like the home and computer icons are |
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| 21:54.04 | otyugh__ | Minty_64: what's your desktop environment ? |
| 21:54.35 | otyugh__ | cinnamon ? |
| 21:54.49 | Minty_64 | it's MATE |
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| 21:55.48 | otyugh__ | I don't know it very well, but maybe, right click on the desktop, Desktop parameters, and icon applet ? |
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| 21:57.02 | otyugh__ | I hope mate is similar enought to xfce, I only know they were the two inspired from the same gnome project orginialy |
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| 21:57.51 | Minty_64 | nope don't have those options otyugh__ |
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| 21:58.01 | otyugh__ | erh |
| 21:58.11 | otyugh__ | maybe you'll have more luck on #mate |
| 21:59.52 | Minty_64 | trying there thanks :) |
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| 22:01.36 | zeeshan-laptop | https://packages.debian.org/jessie/firmware-realtek |
| 22:01.47 | zeeshan-laptop | i downloaded this package, how can i install it? |
| 22:02.08 | zeeshan-laptop | i can't use the package manager since there is no internet on the computer |
| 22:03.33 | Brigo | zeeshan-laptop, dpkg -i package.deb |
| 22:03.56 | zeeshan-laptop | but it is a tarball |
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| 22:04.35 | zeeshan-laptop | it also has a dsc file |
| 22:05.12 | Brigo | zeeshan-laptop, then download the .deb, click in "all" in the botton left |
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| 22:05.51 | zeeshan-laptop | ah there it is :) |
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| 22:14.29 | Minty_64 | are there debian official forums? |
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| 22:15.49 | MOZGIII | Hello, I was googling for quite a bit now, and I'm really confused. Is debian sid as stable as, in example, arch linux/gentoo? Cause I want a rolling-release with updates that do not require rebuilding stuff. |
| 22:17.01 | MOZGIII | And I want somewhat bleeding edge software, i.e. linux 4.0+ etc |
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| 22:17.31 | nkuttler | sid is stable as long as it's stable. when it's not, it's not |
| 22:18.37 | MOZGIII | How does it compare at this part with gentoo/arch? I guess it's the same there, but sid is just sid and it's different |
| 22:18.44 | digdilem | MOZGIII, debian's philosophy is stable above new. you can't always have both |
| 22:19.37 | digdilem | if you want bleeding edge, debian might not be the distro that best suits you. you can fudge things with backports and testing, but you may affect stability. |
| 22:19.59 | teraflops | MOZGIII: arch is stable for me, even using testing |
| 22:20.55 | teraflops | imo if you want debian, use stable |
| 22:22.16 | MOZGIII | I'm currently on ubuntu trusty (lts) with vivid kernel, and dkms is broken all the way... I wonder would that be the case if I'd install sid now - is dkms broken there? I'm interested in virtualbox and nvidia drivers in particular |
| 22:22.45 | LiterallyWhy | I'm on debian sid and VB is working just fine |
| 22:22.53 | LiterallyWhy | mesa drivers though |
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| 22:24.08 | MOZGIII | And, the real bleeding edge is now what I'm for, I just want to eventually have new features of stuff and for my system not to break like ubuntu did |
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| 22:24.30 | MOZGIII | And in more or less sane time... |
| 22:25.11 | MOZGIII | Thanks everyone for responses btw :) |
| 22:25.43 | digdilem | no worries. good luck |
| 22:25.50 | zeeshan-laptop | man i cannot get this wireless card to work |
| 22:26.05 | zeeshan-laptop | its the dwa-130 rev F1 by d-link |
| 22:26.13 | zeeshan-laptop | http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/203656/need-debian-driver-for-dwa-130-rev-f1 |
| 22:26.19 | zeeshan-laptop | i followed this with no success. any suggestions? |
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| 22:26.58 | MOZGIII | Btw, I tries arch and broke it - it now has strange font redering glitches. Did anyone here heard of that? This may be freetype related, so, probably may've appeared on debian at some point |
| 22:27.40 | behruz | Hello,can i ask a question? |
| 22:27.45 | teraflops | MOZGIII: #archlinux is by there -> |
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| 22:28.58 | MOZGIII | teraflops, thx ;) |
| 22:31.37 | azmodeus | behruz, don't ask to ask, just ask =) |
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| 22:33.11 | behruz | Every time i log on gnome it ask me additional password and it's about keyring deamon i can't get rid of it.And i don't know the usage of it.By googling and finding a furom a guy says simply change the gnome-keyring-deamon to .bak so it solves the problem but my wireless network becomes inactive.And it seems the way it deal with user privilege changes.Any idea? |
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| 22:34.51 | behruz | azmodeus,ok i got it now |
| 22:35.13 | azmodeus | behruz, did you solve the problem? |
| 22:36.37 | behruz | Yes but it seems it's fake.So by this process i can't use my wifi connection |
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| 22:37.26 | zeeshan-laptop | modprobe rt2800usb echo "2001 3c25" > /sys/bus/usb/drivers/rt2800usb/new_id |
| 22:37.34 | zeeshan-laptop | i need to perform these commands everytime i boot |
| 22:37.37 | zeeshan-laptop | how do i do this? |
| 22:37.38 | ghormoon | hi, how bad idea is to boot entirely from NFS (nfsroot in grub)? is it usable or is it too slow/other problems present? (network would be only "local" - vm to hypervisor) |
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| 22:39.24 | behruz | azmodeus,by installing seahorse i can't find related password to remove it's rear to me |
| 22:40.30 | azmodeus | behruz, ahah... I think I gave some bad idea... I just know something and I am now learning =) I was searching about your problem but not so sure that I can help. I would like. Let me take another look around |
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| 22:43.12 | azmodeus | zeeshan-laptop, you should add a script in /etc/init.d I am not sure about the linking to the runlevel question but if you try to google something like execute script on boot in debian you will find the correct answer =) |
| 22:43.19 | behruz | azmodeus,i can wait because i can't sleep tonight. And i got tons of thoughts that hunt me :) |
| 22:43.45 | azmodeus | behruz, we are similar in something then! I can't sleep never ahah... but I need to, sometime! =) |
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| 22:45.43 | azmodeus | behruz, btw... Is not this a problem of privileges instead? |
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| 22:46.24 | behruz | azmodeus,I've got same problem but thanks god now my skeeping is natural. Wish you get cure if you will. |
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| 22:49.25 | azmodeus | behruz, I am having this problem since 13 years and I am far from 30 still ahah... Hope my brain isn't burned all yet :P |
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| 22:51.00 | behruz | azmodeus,I know how painful and destructive it could be. |
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| 22:51.56 | azmodeus | behruz, then how did you fix it? |
| 22:52.25 | azmodeus | the non-sleeping problem I mean! =) |
| 22:53.12 | behruz | azmodeus,I don't know.After getting married i get better. |
| 22:53.52 | behruz | azmodeus,Also i got other mental disorders. |
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| 22:54.47 | behruz | azmodeus,i've got and now i'm healthy |
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| 22:56.16 | azmodeus | behruz, that's fine and good for you! =) I had some crisis in past but nothing to really worry about eheh... not yet! :P I feel sometime like that day is not so far. but, by the way, I was still reading about that keyring story... did you think to disable it? or you need it? |
| 22:56.52 | zeeshan-laptop | does anyone have a link to a full package for wicd? |
| 22:56.57 | zeeshan-laptop | i can only find the metapackage |
| 22:57.00 | behruz | azmodeus,how get around the wifi privilege, by doing that way.my wifi icone in gnome has a lock on it. |
| 22:57.06 | zeeshan-laptop | trying to install it offlinme |
| 22:57.35 | behruz | azmodeus,I don't know the usage of it. |
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| 23:01.36 | Luke-Jr | I'm getting "spammed" by noreply@buildd.debian.org for a few weeks now - does that mean I'm supposed to be doing something? or can I just ignore it? |
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| 23:04.06 | azmodeus | behruz, neither I do know its usage. btw it is a keywords and sensible data storer. If I am not wrong it is set up with its own password isn't it? |
| 23:05.44 | magyar | hi, I have a md device showing as md127, how can I make it show up as md1? |
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| 23:07.04 | behruz | azmodeus,as i saw it must somewhere been asking me a password and so that password is the same as my user password.It's not that much problem but i'm kina sensitive about my system. |
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| 23:08.13 | azmodeus | behruz, ok and then what you would like to do is to change keyring password? |
| 23:08.29 | behruz | azmodeus,my newbieness is killing me :) |
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| 23:08.59 | jhutchins | magyar: Look at the md documentation for the tools to clear/remove the unused md maps, then re-map it. |
| 23:09.02 | azmodeus | behruz, it is the same here but I don't want to be killed by my newbieness :P |
| 23:09.17 | behruz | azmodeus,nup what to log on without typing password again. |
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| 23:10.02 | behruz | (behruz) azmodeus,nup want to log on without typing password again. |
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| 23:11.37 | behruz | azmodeus,as other guys seeing i'm asking.And you're spinning me around. |
| 23:12.54 | azmodeus | behruz, keyring is asking your password when network manager is trying to contact your wifi, that have a password for be accessed. It needs your confirmation for let network manager retrieve the wifi password from keyring I think. |
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| 23:14.11 | azmodeus | behruz, sometime I think is better to find solutions to a noobish problem with another noob, that's useful to take it in mind :P |
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| 23:16.30 | behruz | azmodeus,ok i'm noob;you're noob;everyone is noob :P |
| 23:17.36 | azmodeus | behruz, how some recent friends of mine says "we're all somebody else noob." btw I think I found something... |
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| 23:18.55 | jhutchins | Then agian, I've been working with computers since 1973. |
| 23:19.06 | Utils | iptables is hard to work with. omg |
| 23:19.09 | Utils | i locked myself out of ssh |
| 23:19.32 | Utils | I included this so its only for me to log in via ssh -A INPUT -p tcp -s myiphere -m state -- state NEW --dport 22 -j ACCEPT |
| 23:19.44 | Utils | i noticed that when i did iptables -L that it shown that anywhere can access anywhere |
| 23:19.45 | Utils | this is no good. |
| 23:19.54 | bazhang | ,v gufw |
| 23:19.55 | judd | Package: gufw on amd64 -- squeeze: 9.10.2-1; stretch: 12.10.0-1; jessie: 12.10.0-1; sid: 12.10.0-1; wheezy: 12.10.0-1 |
| 23:20.07 | Utils | i noticed that -A INPUT -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT accepts all established inbound connections |
| 23:20.14 | Utils | so i thought... thats a bad thing? so i commented it out |
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| 23:20.16 | Utils | and now poof. |
| 23:20.17 | Utils | im dead. |
| 23:20.21 | bazhang | thats the front end for ufw |
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| 23:20.54 | jhutchins | Utils: Try this: |
| 23:20.58 | jhutchins | Utils: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ |
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| 23:22.02 | behruz | azmodeus,brb |
| 23:22.06 | jhutchins | Utils: He has a script that applies your IPTABLES changes, then if you don't log in and confirm that they're correct within a set time, reverts them. |
| 23:22.17 | jhutchins | Utils: If it's not in that doc, it's in this one: http://www.trinityos.com/LINUX/index-linux.html#trinityos |
| 23:22.31 | jhutchins | Utils: There's also a lot of good examples of using IPTABLES. |
| 23:22.31 | azmodeus | behruz, I think I will be here |
| 23:23.13 | Utils | I lookd at examples lol but it's hard to understand. do i have to reset the entire server seeing as I cannot get into ssh anymore? |
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| 23:23.36 | squisher | Utils, yeah... that rule is kinda important ;-) |
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| 23:24.29 | Utils | well god dammit. now i see why backups are important. |
| 23:24.40 | Utils | i've lost my entire database... |
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| 23:25.35 | Equa | Utils: do iptables --flush on the server |
| 23:25.45 | azmodeus | jhutchins, did you read behruz's problem? |
| 23:26.36 | Utils | how, Equa |
| 23:26.40 | Utils | i can't even log into ssh |
| 23:26.48 | Utils | so i can't |
| 23:26.58 | Equa | Utils: you have someone else host your server? call them up |
| 23:27.49 | Equa | Utils: if you didn't saved it as a script to startup. You can just reboot and all those settings are gone |
| 23:27.56 | Utils | oh. |
| 23:28.01 | Utils | nice thinking equa |
| 23:28.34 | Utils | at least i ihope i didn't but lets see. |
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| 23:29.06 | Equa | Utils: some helpful stuff about iptables. https://wiki.debian.org/iptables |
| 23:30.26 | Utils | kisses Equa |
| 23:30.35 | Utils | i literally had my heart thumping out my chest. |
| 23:30.36 | jhutchins | azmodeus: It looks like his system is working the way it's supposed to work. |
| 23:30.52 | Equa | Utils: as for your ssh just from your ip. do this -A INPUT -s yourip -p tcp -m state --state NEW --dport 22 -j ACCEPT |
| 23:30.54 | jhutchins | azmodeus: I solve it by not using a keyring. |
| 23:31.48 | behruz | I'm seeing.What's the deal. |
| 23:33.07 | Utils | hold on equa ill be back. freenode's webchat doesn't scroll down properly. so hopping onto irssi. |
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| 23:34.36 | behruz | Nowadays ;I'm a windows user with linux wishes.I'm working on CG.I'm lost in my damn .. |
| 23:35.52 | azmodeus | jhutchins, as I was thinking. As I said I don't use keyring... |
| 23:36.55 | behruz | But i wish someday i could pay for my pitraty and cracked softwares.But just now I'm sucking Windows |
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| 23:39.05 | magyar | jhutchins: thanks |
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| 23:42.00 | behruz | azmodeus,can i simply remove or uninstall it? |
| 23:42.27 | Utils | Equa so basically if I'm correct, I want to accept all ESTABLISHED connections, but it's the NEW connections I need to specify certain sources for? Also, what are RELATED connections? |
| 23:43.29 | Equa | Utils: for input i would keep the following: -A INPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT |
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| 23:43.42 | Equa | Utils: -A INPUT -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT |
| 23:44.24 | Equa | Utils: -A INPUT -j REJECT. Just make sure any rules you want go above this one or else it gets rejected before being accepted |
| 23:44.30 | azmodeus | behruz, damn... sorry, lot of connection problems... btw yes but if you care about your security, it shouldn't be so annoying the password question. As I said it is that when you log, network manager just start its intent to connect the wifi with its password, stored in the keyring, this is why you have to write down again your password |
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| 23:46.09 | behruz | azmodeus,as i said i'll bear with it. |
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| 23:46.43 | azmodeus | behruz, bear with it? |
| 23:46.47 | Equa | Utils: you should have a backdoor before playing with iptables. You might lock yourself out. You can do shutdown -r 10 so your rules get flushed on reboot in 10 mins in case you locked yourself out. |
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| 23:47.45 | behruz | azmodeus,why not? |
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| 23:48.05 | asterismo | hi ppl |
| 23:48.16 | asterismo | anyway to install PopCorn Time app in Debian Jessie? |
| 23:48.22 | asterismo | i see PPAs all over the place |
| 23:48.44 | azmodeus | behruz, I mean that I did not understand what it means :P |
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| 23:49.24 | Utils | Equa I pretty much modified the basic rules on one of the links given before (i think you?), I had already started off with that. This are my rules: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/73bb160a/ basically I want to allow connections to mysql from certain ips, acess to ssh from only one ip, and i think the rest are okay as they are? |
| 23:49.58 | Utils | Equa: shutdown -r 10... wouldn't that cause the system to restart 10 minutes after i apply the settings? |
| 23:50.26 | behruz | azmodeus,i mean i could type again password,if it is the best way around. |
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| 23:51.03 | Equa | Utils: Keep track of time and abort the shutdown. If you get locked, it will reboot in 10 mins because you didn't stop it. |
| 23:51.24 | azmodeus | behruz, I think there should be some other way. Maybe you could try to find the way to deactivate the storing of the wifi password in your keyring. Not sure that it works. Or maybe changing the password storer itself. |
| 23:52.22 | dondelelcaro | Equa, Utils: this is one of the many reasons why I suggest using ferm. |
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| 23:52.54 | dondelelcaro | Equa, Utils: ferm has an --interactive mode which can be used to roll back your changes if you lose interactivity |
| 23:52.55 | behruz | azmodeus,ok mybe i could remove wifi password from seahorse.It's ok? |
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| 23:53.51 | Utils | Equa: ok yes I get you. are those rules okay as i wanted? |
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| 23:54.08 | Equa | Utils: Yep, looks good for me. |
| 23:54.33 | Utils | Equa: okay cheers. :D |
| 23:56.04 | LitoII | why apache can not see my virtual host? It sees only the default? Any common pitfalls? |
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| 23:57.22 | Equa | LitoII: did you enabled your virtual host? |
| 23:57.41 | LitoII | a2ensite? |
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| 23:58.37 | Equa | LitoII: a2ensite /etc/apache2/sites-available/(yourvirtualhost) |
| 23:58.48 | LitoII | Equa: yes |
| 23:58.55 | LitoII | and restart/relod |
| 23:59.22 | LitoII | my docroot is a subdir of the default |
| 23:59.24 | Equa | LitoII: check in var/log/apache2/error.log. It should state why it wasn't loaded |
| 23:59.28 | LitoII | is this the reason? |
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