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| 00:02.55 | barbara--- | I have a Canon MX920-series |
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| 00:03.28 | barbara--- | Canon Pixma 922 |
| 00:03.46 | TJ- | barbara---: It usually depends on the printer driver, many require proprietary bits to function fully. Generally, CUPS supports multiple sources, duplex, and all manner of other options if the driver does |
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| 00:07.39 | somtcha | apt-get tells me nvidia-kernel-dkms is properly installed, but aptitude reports it "can't find surces to download version '340.76-2' of 'nvidia...'". meanwhile 'cat /var/logXorg.0.log' reports "couldn't open module nvidia" |
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| 00:07.56 | barbara--- | seems like ill have to install windows just to print then |
| 00:08.00 | barbara--- | so ridiculous |
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| 00:08.20 | rabbitear | lol |
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| 00:08.44 | rabbitear | maybe the document is not worth anything in the first place |
| 00:08.48 | barbara--- | photos |
| 00:08.51 | frostschutz | barbara---, you could try turboprint. but windows is actually what I use for printing myself (in a VM with USB passthrough) ;) too lazy to set up canons weird linux drivers |
| 00:08.55 | rabbitear | photos |
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| 00:09.06 | barbara--- | yeah my thousands of photos arent worth printing thanks for the help |
| 00:09.21 | barbara--- | thanks frostschutz |
| 00:09.37 | rabbitear | barbara---: k, I just chimed in on the so ridiculous part |
| 00:09.50 | rabbitear | barbara---: thats pretty sweet |
| 00:09.53 | TJ- | barbara---: is this forum thread of any use? http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=107321 |
| 00:10.12 | barbara--- | i actually just installed that driver hopefully it helps |
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| 00:11.10 | rabbitear | only install windows with people that are true buttheads |
| 00:11.21 | barbara--- | ? |
| 00:11.40 | rabbitear | people I'd like to give them a piece of my mind to |
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| 00:11.47 | barbara--- | ? |
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| 00:11.58 | rabbitear | barbara---: don't install windows |
| 00:12.04 | rabbitear | barbara---: always another way |
| 00:12.04 | barbara--- | thanks for the pro tip |
| 00:12.23 | rabbitear | barbara---: I forget to scroll up |
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| 00:13.11 | rabbitear | barbara---: you like to use cups? |
| 00:13.11 | Sander^home | How can I search the comments of all bugs fixed in a spesific program? |
| 00:14.02 | Sander^home | or generally.. get a list of all bugs fixed. |
| 00:14.02 | rabbitear | Sander^home: python and beautiful soup |
| 00:14.28 | Sander^home | rabbitear: can you outline abit more spesific. |
| 00:15.42 | andril | hello |
| 00:15.46 | rabbitear | http://www.crummy.com/software/BeautifulSoup/ |
| 00:16.03 | TJ- | Sander^home: you mean query the BTS? How about https://www.debian.org/Bugs/server-request |
| 00:16.11 | rabbitear | barbara---: you are familar with Cups? |
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| 00:16.25 | barbara--- | sort of i have it installed |
| 00:16.43 | rabbitear | barbara---: there's the say ppd's in Cups |
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| 00:16.46 | TheDoudou | hi |
| 00:16.53 | barbara--- | Canon-MX920Canon MX920Canon MX920 series - CUPS+Gutenprint v5.2.10 |
| 00:16.56 | rabbitear | barbara---: that describe your printer... |
| 00:17.17 | rabbitear | barbara---: and that doesn't do the job? |
| 00:17.26 | TheDoudou | i have a small problem |
| 00:17.41 | rabbitear | barbara---: can you print out a test page from cups? |
| 00:17.45 | barbara--- | i need to print with the 4x6 tray instead of the 8 1/2 x 11 tray |
| 00:17.54 | barbara--- | yes everything prints to the 8 1/2 x 11 tray |
| 00:17.56 | Sander^home | rabbitear: Nice. so what source of comments should I use? |
| 00:18.02 | TheDoudou | the top command displays only the process of the user |
| 00:18.17 | rabbitear | Sander^home: I don't know your plan |
| 00:18.34 | Sander^home | I assume the comments is wrapped in tags.. for beautiful soup to extract. |
| 00:18.41 | TheDoudou | (don't have hidepid in fstab) |
| 00:18.49 | rabbitear | barbara---: there are other ppd's that use different methods.. |
| 00:18.52 | barbara--- | Defaults:job-sheets=none, none media=na_letter_8.5x11in sides=one-sided |
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| 00:18.58 | rabbitear | barbara---: there usually is I should say |
| 00:19.05 | TheDoudou | if someone an idea? |
| 00:19.06 | barbara--- | Connection:cnijnet:/F4-81-39-89-FA-6D |
| 00:19.33 | rabbitear | TheDoudou: type ? while in top |
| 00:19.34 | barbara--- | where do I find a PPD that allows both trays to be used? |
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| 00:20.11 | rabbitear | there used to be linux printing dot com ... but you could probably search engine that |
| 00:20.19 | barbara--- | thanks |
| 00:20.35 | TheDoudou | rabbitear ? for the help |
| 00:20.37 | barbara--- | http://www.openprinting.org/printers |
| 00:20.41 | TheDoudou | not use -u |
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| 00:20.44 | rabbitear | TheDoudou: yeah |
| 00:21.01 | rabbitear | barbara---: used to be linuxprinting.com or something |
| 00:21.18 | rabbitear | TheDoudou: whatever works |
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| 00:21.25 | rabbitear | TheDoudou: top is a tui |
| 00:21.26 | Sander^home | rabbitear: I'm trying to figure out if a spesific bugfix actually is applied (backported) into a version of a package, which for the release date of that major version shouldnt contain the bugfix. |
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| 00:22.04 | rabbitear | Sander^home: telephone the guy who made that website, I'm not responsible for that kind of failure |
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| 00:22.43 | Sander^home | But the minor version relased later might contain the bugfix. |
| 00:23.20 | Sander^home | rabbitear: I'm talking about a debian package. |
| 00:24.27 | rabbitear | Sander^home: maybe start from http://packages.debian.org ? |
| 00:24.53 | rabbitear | or you like to explore apt-cache |
| 00:24.58 | rabbitear | man apt-cache |
| 00:25.02 | TheDoudou | rabbitear ? (sorry speak french) |
| 00:25.10 | rabbitear | no worries |
| 00:25.29 | jak2000 | for get internet on my debian i need type: ip route add default via 132.1.5.254 how to make it permanently this entry? |
| 00:25.32 | Sander^home | is there some info about bugfixes of minor version of a major version in apt-get? |
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| 00:25.46 | TJ- | Sander^home: have you tried "apt-get changelog <package>" ? |
| 00:25.57 | rabbitear | there ya go :) |
| 00:25.57 | Sander^home | TJ-: Nice, i'll try it:) |
| 00:26.11 | rabbitear | I didn't know that :) |
| 00:26.20 | TJ- | rabbitear: man is your friend :) |
| 00:26.20 | TheDoudou | so usually top shows me all icreate a user and he will see that only these processes |
| 00:26.36 | rabbitear | yah.. |
| 00:27.05 | TheDoudou | ican not find the reason |
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| 00:28.06 | rabbitear | I need more screens on ... actually, auto-man-from-irssi that doesn't yet that I know of exist .. maybe someday |
| 00:28.30 | rabbitear | I'm too lazy |
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| 00:29.48 | TheDoudou | rabbitear ? |
| 00:29.52 | doesntmatter | how do i block in iptables, a TCP ACK directed to port 80? |
| 00:30.02 | doesntmatter | to stop host discovery |
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| 00:32.37 | rabbitear | TheDoudou: I don't know, I'd man top |
| 00:32.50 | TheDoudou | rabbitear k np |
| 00:33.44 | TheDoudou | rabbitear ho french room :p go in |
| 00:33.49 | TheDoudou | ++ |
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| 00:39.04 | rabbitear | TheChubu: I took three years of french in grade school, I know nothing about it honestly now, these days I'm learning cn, chinese manderin |
| 00:39.29 | TheChubu | ... |
| 00:39.31 | TheChubu | okay |
| 00:39.51 | rabbitear | TheChubu: one or two sounds in french, help out with chinese as well, atleast manderin |
| 00:40.19 | TheChubu | ... you're talking to TheChubu |
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| 00:40.24 | TheChubu | you were talking to TheDoudou |
| 00:40.32 | TheChubu | we're not the same dude/gal/alien |
| 00:40.36 | rabbitear | maybe its because of the The |
| 00:40.46 | rabbitear | I get it now |
| 00:40.50 | rabbitear | thanks |
| 00:40.57 | TheChubu | lol no problem |
| 00:41.09 | rabbitear | you must get that all the time.. |
| 00:41.19 | WangDang_ | rabbitear: and TheDoudou has left #debian |
| 00:41.30 | rabbitear | thanks again |
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| 00:42.42 | rabbitear | relaxing day, in anchorage, usa, all the preachers in regilious ways have to explane to their people why gay marginage .. |
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| 00:42.55 | rabbitear | <-- doesn't go to church |
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| 00:43.22 | destinthegreat | do all of y'all use debian vanilla or deritives |
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| 00:43.44 | BluesKaj | debian-kde here |
| 00:44.03 | rabbitear | <-- here and there, I still love slackware best |
| 00:44.14 | destinthegreat | just out of couristy why? |
| 00:44.27 | destinthegreat | blueskaj has kde updated to 5 in debian yet? |
| 00:44.36 | rabbitear | destinthegreat: I can know what is on the machine, because I did it |
| 00:44.55 | rabbitear | destinthegreat: because its my fault |
| 00:45.03 | destinthegreat | nice |
| 00:45.21 | destinthegreat | rabbitear: is it hard maintaing it? |
| 00:45.22 | rabbitear | http://www.linuxfromscratch.org <-- another way to do that |
| 00:45.25 | BluesKaj | nope, and I hope it stays with kde4 ...plasma5 leaves alot to to be desired IMO |
| 00:45.32 | rabbitear | no, not for me destinthegreat |
| 00:45.42 | rabbitear | to me its easier |
| 00:46.05 | rabbitear | LFS ^ that website I just sent, gets to be a pain a little bit after awhile |
| 00:46.25 | rabbitear | to me... |
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| 00:47.30 | rabbitear | destinthegreat: if I was doing debian things, I'd prefer raw debian over the variants |
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| 00:49.45 | DebianJessieUser | hi am back |
| 00:50.08 | DebianJessieUser | can anyone help me with the libjpeg |
| 00:50.20 | DebianJessieUser | i have 62 and a game needs 8 |
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| 00:50.52 | DebianJessieUser | in my lib its libjpeg.so.62 but the game ne |
| 00:51.00 | Sander^home_ | TJ-: do you know how to get the apt-get changelog info from before changelog/git was used? |
| 00:51.01 | DebianJessieUser | needs libjpeg.so.8 |
| 00:52.22 | jak2000 | for get internet on my debian i need type: ip route add default via 132.1.5.254 how to make it permanently this entry? |
| 00:52.49 | somiaj | DebianJessieUser: That older lib was removed from jessie, not sure the best thing to do. |
| 00:52.51 | TJ- | Sander^home: changelog has always been used for Debian packages |
| 00:53.34 | doesntmatter | how do i prevent nmap host discovery in iptables? |
| 00:54.06 | DebianJessieUser | so how i get the lastest version aptitude gave me this version |
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| 01:08.29 | Brigo | Sander^home_, push y, it will only download it if you add -d. |
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| 01:08.42 | dgriffi | Brigo: firmware update? |
| 01:09.00 | Brigo | dgriffi, it was not me :) |
| 01:09.32 | Sander^home_ | Brigo: ah, ok, thanks:) |
| 01:09.42 | Brigo | Sander^home_, np :) |
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| 01:10.34 | DebianJessieUser | aptitude remove? to remove app |
| 01:10.40 | dgriffi | Brigo: got any idea on how to do a firmware update without faffing around with Windows? |
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| 01:11.47 | Brigo | dgriffi, it is a manufaturer dependent. Ask google. |
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| 01:12.22 | Brigo | dgriffi, may be there is a ms-dos tool or the bios itself can do the job. |
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| 01:12.48 | DebianJessieUser | update bios or fimware? |
| 01:13.11 | Brigo | DebianJessieUser, aptitute or apt-get or apt, yes. |
| 01:13.17 | dgriffi | ugh.. this is a no-name ExpressCard thing |
| 01:13.46 | dgriffi | I'll fiddle with the bios and see if that helps... |
| 01:13.50 | dgriffi | going offline. |
| 01:13.57 | Brigo | dgriffi, good luck :) |
| 01:14.07 | DebianJessieUser | cya |
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| 01:25.50 | Behruz | I'm on xterminal now the upgrading download process is finished it start but i guess i have to go out to the ctrl+alt+f1 terminal. |
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| 01:26.11 | Behruz | can i interrupt it and go out ? |
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| 01:28.03 | abrotman | Behruz: which part of the process is it in? |
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| 01:29.00 | Behruz | abrotman,it ask me Do you want to upgrade glibc now? |
| 01:29.23 | Behruz | and want me the answer. |
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| 01:30.26 | abrotman | Behruz: then no,you probably shouldn't interrupt it .. you can, but it will probably make things more difficult than just letting it go (hint for future: always do dist-upgrades inside a screen/tmux) |
| 01:30.44 | msl09_ | hi, what is the preferred way so send an email to a user of the machine |
| 01:30.54 | msl09_ | like apt some times does |
| 01:31.48 | Behruz | I think i must be out of X so it can upgrade gdm and others |
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| 01:33.40 | msl09_ | oh, it's just mail |
| 01:33.54 | Behruz | abrotman: So i have to say yes? and it's not that problem ? |
| 01:34.09 | abrotman | Behruz: you can stop it, and restart it .. that's up to you |
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| 01:38.01 | Behruz | abrotman: i will ctr+c and get me out and then i have to type again apt-get dist-upgrade.That's the process? |
| 01:38.48 | dgriffi | I couldn't figure out how to get a T420 into any sort of pre-OS mode to update firmware... Does such a mode exist? |
| 01:39.33 | dgriffi | I did notice something... every time I plug a USB 3.0 device into my USB 3.0 ExpressCard, I get this in dmesg: [ 196.470200] xhci_hcd 0000:05:00.0: no hotplug settings from platform |
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| 01:40.36 | dgriffi | googling around, I see that complaint having to do with hotplugging an ExpressCard card. |
| 01:41.34 | TJ- | dgriffi: which kernel version is that? |
| 01:41.49 | dgriffi | 3.16.0 |
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| 01:42.01 | dgriffi | http://pastebin.com/86XA0Ksh |
| 01:42.17 | TJ- | dgriffi: I can't find that phrase in the current kernel (v4.2) I'll checkout 3.16 |
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| 01:43.53 | dgriffi | should I follow what I see in http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-usb/msg99487.html ? |
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| 01:44.11 | edgardoweb | good nigth https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ia9YSGiYh5w&feature=share |
| 01:44.13 | edgardoweb | :) |
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| 01:44.52 | TJ- | dgriffi: That hapepns if this fails: pci_get_hp_params(dev, &hpp); |
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| 01:46.33 | dgriffi | TJ-: what do you suppose is the problem? |
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| 01:46.57 | abrotman | Behruz: I'm sure it will be more involved because you're stopping it |
| 01:47.26 | edgardoweb | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ia9YSGiYh5w&feature=share |
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| 01:48.05 | abrotman | edgardoweb: please spam elsewhere |
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| 01:49.26 | matthiaskrgr | abrotman: redirecting spam to other channels is not a solution :P |
| 01:49.47 | Behruz | abrotman: yes i did it and it want me to put a -f option |
| 01:49.53 | abrotman | matthiaskrgr: I didn't tell him where to go, I assume there's a channel somewhere that's related. this isn't it |
| 01:49.59 | abrotman | Behruz: yep |
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| 01:51.37 | msl09_ | Every time I login on my server I get a message stating whether I have new mail. Where is stored the code that prints that message? |
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| 01:52.38 | Behruz | abrotman: but i think i will not restart x |
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| 01:53.51 | srg | msl09_: iirc, /etc/profile |
| 01:54.54 | msl09_ | I can't find it |
| 01:55.13 | rabbitear | /etc/profile.d |
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| 01:55.54 | TJ- | dgriffi: I'm following the source code to get an idea... it may just be you need a more recent kernel version to support the chipset |
| 01:56.01 | abrotman | Behruz: okay |
| 01:56.09 | abrotman | msl09_: why not just read the mail? |
| 01:56.36 | msl09_ | rabbitear, all I see is vte related code and bash-completion related stuff |
| 01:56.37 | abrotman | looks at rabbitear ... |
| 01:56.53 | msl09_ | abrotman, I want to put in my bashrc |
| 01:56.58 | dgriffi | TJ-: what version would you recommend? |
| 01:57.01 | msl09_ | so I can be reminded all the time |
| 01:57.19 | abrotman | msl09_: you want it to tell you with every command? |
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| 01:57.54 | msl09_ | nah, just whenever I open a virtual terminal |
| 01:58.30 | jelly | !biff |
| 01:58.30 | dpkg | biff is probably a mail notification tool |
| 01:59.01 | dgriffi | typing "biff y" should do it |
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| 01:59.09 | TJ- | dgriffi: well, the code layout around PCI/ACPI hotplug has changed dramatically between v3.16 and current, but the actual statements being executed are almost identical, so I'm not sure if there would be an improvement. That said, in these cases its always best to test against the latest mainline kernel to be sure |
| 01:59.51 | dgriffi | TJ-: it seems liek 3.16.0 is the latest kernel available from the Debian repos for Jessie |
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| 02:00.43 | rabbitear | compile your own be a man |
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| 02:01.12 | somiaj | Correct, until a newer kernel enters jessie-backports, you will have to compile your own kernel. (afiak the 4.0 kernel package from sid may work in jessie, but be careful about dependencies) |
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| 02:01.35 | TJ- | dgriffi: My reading of the code indicates that when the device is connected the PCI probe logic looks for HotPlugParams (hpp) on the device itself, or its parent. This should be found in the ACPI info. In your case it appears that the maker of the PC doesn't provide the HPP in the ACPI Firmware for the USB host device |
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| 02:03.15 | dgriffi | TJ-: so, does that mean I'm out of luck? |
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| 02:04.40 | rabbitear | dgriffi: you needed to be smarter than the luck |
| 02:05.01 | TJ- | dgriffi: I don't see any kernel-side configurations that would workaround it |
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| 02:06.25 | h00sier | why did they back up to 3.16 in jessie, wheezy has 3.2 |
| 02:06.25 | dgriffi | is this a problem with the USB3 card or the thinkpad itself? |
| 02:06.48 | jelly | h00sier: 16 is newer than 2 |
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| 02:07.09 | h00sier | oh, that's a big jump |
| 02:07.26 | dgriffi | would 4.0.6 be a good thing to try to get USB 3.0 working? |
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| 02:13.49 | jelly | dgriffi: does USB3 actually not work? |
| 02:14.45 | dgriffi | jelly: my card is detected, but whenever I plug in a USB3 device, I get this: [ 72.233590] xhci_hcd 0000:05:00.0: no hotplug settings from platform |
| 02:15.02 | jelly | dgriffi: and nothing else? |
| 02:15.04 | dgriffi | jelly: and, in my case, the hard drive doesn't show up |
| 02:15.14 | TJ- | dgriffi: The card itself... there's some very recent patches been proposed for that chipset: http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-usb/msg125016.html |
| 02:15.49 | dgriffi | ooo..jeeze... |
| 02:15.51 | TJ- | dgriffi: If there's no HPP for the device or its parent, the PCI probe aborts, which explains your issue |
| 02:16.36 | dgriffi | TJ-: is that patch present in such a way I can download a kernel tarball with it included? |
| 02:17.20 | TJ- | dgriffi: It won't help without the device providing HPP |
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| 02:17.42 | dgriffi | TJ-: so, what do I need to do? |
| 02:18.00 | TJ- | dgriffi: I'm reading from some time ago there were supposed some firmwar updates for that chipset, it may be worth investigating finding the very latest and updating it: http://pete.akeo.ie/2011/10/flashing-necrenesas-usb-30.html |
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| 02:19.06 | slute | i may have just had a big oopsy |
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| 02:19.28 | slute | i was using parted and forgot to change the disk |
| 02:19.44 | slute | i deleted my ext2 partitions |
| 02:19.50 | slute | i didn't reboot yet |
| 02:20.07 | slute | Error: Partition(s) 2, 3 on /dev/sda have been written, but we have been unable to inform the kernel of the change, |
| 02:20.10 | slute | probably because it/they are in use. As a result, the old partition(s) will remain in use. You should reboot now |
| 02:20.13 | slute | before making further changes. |
| 02:20.13 | TJ- | slute: just possibly "cat /proc/partitions" may still show the previous layout |
| 02:20.15 | slute | Ignore/Cancel? ^C |
| 02:20.24 | slute | okay, but can i undo it |
| 02:20.50 | TJ- | slute if so, you may be able to use that info to rebuild the same exact same partition start/end/sizes |
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| 02:21.16 | slute | and the files will still be there? |
| 02:22.04 | TJ- | slute: a partition table entry (on MBR) is only 16 bytes detailing the starting and ending sector numbers and some info on whats in the partition. You'd have to reformat the file-system to damage it. |
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| 02:23.14 | slute | TJ-: will it still be there after reboot? |
| 02:23.14 | TJ- | slute: so if you can get the info from /proc/partitions you can rebuild the partition table quite easily, but best to use a command line tool like parted, fdisk (for MBR), or gdisk (for GPT) |
| 02:23.27 | slute | ok |
| 02:23.38 | TJ- | slute: the partition table information is in RAM right now, if you restart it'll be gone forever |
| 02:24.05 | TJ- | slute: you need to open a terminal and use "cat /proc/partitions" to get the info |
| 02:24.11 | slute | ok |
| 02:24.31 | slute | i see it but i suppose i just remake the partitions and a reboot will be safe from there? |
| 02:24.59 | TJ- | slute: it'll only give you the number of blocks each partition uses, but you can generally figure out the original start/end/size values from that |
| 02:25.46 | TJ- | slute: if you remake the partition table correctly, yes, it'll be safe to reboot, but don't do that until you're 200% sure its fixed! |
| 02:26.17 | TJ- | slute: are you using a Live ISO right now, or booted into an installed system on the disk that has lost its partition table? |
| 02:26.30 | slute | i'm on the installed system |
| 02:26.42 | TJ- | slute: because there's a forensics/recovery application called 'testdisk' that can do this for you automatically |
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| 02:27.13 | TJ- | slute: see http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk |
| 02:27.50 | TJ- | slute: install it using "sudo apt-get install testdisk" |
| 02:27.59 | slute | i'm currently installing |
| 02:28.15 | TJ- | Use the Wiki's step-by-step guide |
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| 02:31.26 | slute | TJ-: you saved my ass |
| 02:31.35 | slute | i've used this tool before and needed a reminder. thank you |
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| 02:56.44 | calher | Hi, Kayla ! |
| 02:58.30 | Kayla | hello |
| 02:58.51 | calher | Kayla: <3 ^_^) |
| 02:59.07 | Kayla | (: |
| 02:59.57 | DebianGNU | ^______^ |
| 03:00.04 | ap3r7ur3 | \o/ |
| 03:00.23 | jelly | this isn't #ascii people |
| 03:00.25 | slute | TJ saved my butt |
| 03:00.33 | slute | someone give him a raise |
| 03:00.43 | Kayla | im not giving up on debian |
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| 03:00.52 | Kayla | even though doesnt detect wlan0 |
| 03:00.58 | slute | Kayla: debian wont give up on you |
| 03:01.07 | slute | Kayla: can you install wicd? |
| 03:01.18 | DebianGNU | Kayla: h-node can help. |
| 03:01.31 | Kayla | wicd is preinstalled in lxde |
| 03:01.39 | slute | hrumph |
| 03:01.40 | DebianGNU | https://h-node.org/wifi/catalogue/en |
| 03:01.46 | Kayla | or is it debian packages |
| 03:01.49 | slute | might need a wrapper |
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| 03:03.02 | slute | Kayla: lxde might have it, dunno. |
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| 03:03.16 | slute | you should be able to open if it's installed |
| 03:03.30 | Kayla | wicd wont detect wireless |
| 03:03.33 | Kayla | wlan0 wont show |
| 03:03.47 | slute | ok there is a trick to that also |
| 03:03.58 | slute | lemme open wicd-curses |
| 03:04.01 | slute | is that what you are using? |
| 03:04.23 | Kayla | wicd curses? |
| 03:04.36 | shingouz | !tell Kayla about firmware |
| 03:04.45 | slute | it's the cli version Kayla |
| 03:05.03 | slute | if you open a terminal and type "wicd-curses" you will see it |
| 03:05.03 | shingouz | Kayla: some nics need a firmware, see if yours need it and if it does, look at what dpkg told you |
| 03:05.24 | jelly | !what's my wireless |
| 03:05.24 | dpkg | Install the hwinfo package and execute "/usr/sbin/hwinfo --wlan", or http://linux-wless.passys.nl/ , or ask me about <whats my hardware>. See also <wireless>. |
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| 03:07.19 | fred1807 | Why my crontab does not work? " 0 0 * * * /sbin/reboot " |
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| 03:07.40 | jelly | fred1807: which file did you put that into? |
| 03:08.09 | fred1807 | "crontab -e " as root user (I only have root user on my system) |
| 03:08.10 | jelly | (was it a per-user or a system crontab) |
| 03:08.15 | dvs | shingouz: You weren't here eariler. Kayla has firmware. |
| 03:08.25 | shingouz | ah, ok. my bad |
| 03:09.03 | jelly | fred1807: it ought to work there. Which debian release are you using? |
| 03:09.10 | dvs | shingouz: I suspect it's an off hardware switch |
| 03:09.20 | fred1807 | jelly: raspbian wheezy |
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| 03:09.32 | jelly | !raspbian |
| 03:09.32 | dpkg | Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/ |
| 03:09.32 | shingouz | dvs: sounds plausible, i have been fighting with those a few times on laptops |
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| 03:10.59 | Kayla | i reinstalled deb |
| 03:11.19 | Kayla | so i go nano /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 03:13.32 | Kayla | ok im in |
| 03:13.37 | slute | hi |
| 03:14.35 | fred1807 | is there a crontab log? |
| 03:14.41 | Kayla | can someone show me pastebin of sources.list that allows non free |
| 03:14.48 | slute | Kayla: |
| 03:14.54 | slute | it will say "main" afterwards |
| 03:15.04 | Kayla | i forget what i put after the main |
| 03:15.10 | slute | add after that seperated by a space: contrib non-free |
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| 03:18.13 | Kayla | pastebin.com/yzUYcRe7 |
| 03:18.17 | Kayla | i am gonna restart now |
| 03:18.22 | Kayla | can you proof read before |
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| 03:20.58 | Kayla | ok i changed the sources |
| 03:21.03 | Kayla | and rebooted |
| 03:22.16 | Kayla | i try to apt-get install iwlwifi-firmware and says unable to locate package iwlwifi-firmware |
| 03:22.58 | fred1807 | what happens if I " shutdown -h 02:00 " and then ntpd updates the clock (because internet was offline at the momment the shutdown command was sent) ? will shutdown command respect the new clock or is it all about the countdown it starts after the command is sent ? |
| 03:23.15 | jelly | Kayla: the name is firmware-iwlwifi |
| 03:24.03 | DebianGNU | Go libre or go home. Or at least never succeed in installing proprietary firmware. |
| 03:24.25 | Kayla | ooh |
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| 03:24.49 | AdrianKoshcha | пÑÐ¸Ð²ÐµÑ ÑоваÑÐ¸Ñ Kayla |
| 03:25.09 | Kayla | it says um, this may mean that package is missing, obsoleted or available from dif source |
| 03:25.15 | jelly | DebianGNU: this is a support channel, keep the preaching to a minimum please |
| 03:25.27 | shingouz | Kayla: apt-get update before you try to install anything from the new sources |
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| 03:25.48 | Kayla | i already try everything :( |
| 03:26.03 | Kayla | says package is missing obsolete but i even edited sources.list |
| 03:26.19 | dvs | Kayla: shingouz just gave you the answer. |
| 03:26.28 | Kayla | oooh |
| 03:26.35 | dvs | and I bet you're not writing this down. |
| 03:26.42 | Kayla | thank you shin |
| 03:26.54 | shingouz | !tab' |
| 03:26.58 | shingouz | !tab |
| 03:26.58 | dpkg | from memory, tab is part of the varndean crew, slightly slimy at times though, or a very old diet soda. tabtabtab, or what reasonably intelligent irc clients will let you use to recall the nick that most recently posted something in a channel. |
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| 03:27.30 | Kayla | still says same thing |
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| 03:28.08 | jelly | Kayla: run "apt-get update", show the output of that, then show the output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy libc6 firmware-iwlwifi". Put everything in a pastebiin |
| 03:28.51 | calher | plays with his disk platter halo. |
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| 03:32.25 | dvs | jelly: What's wrong with this picture: http://pastebin.com/yzUYcRe7 |
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| 03:32.25 | calher | Why don't people use paste.debian.com? |
| 03:32.25 | dvs | dunno |
| 03:32.25 | DebianGNU | pure debian ftw |
| 03:32.25 | jelly | dvs: missing: cake; extra: cdrom source |
| 03:32.25 | dvs | and it's net?\ |
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| 03:32.25 | Kayla | here is update: |
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| 03:32.25 | Kayla | pastebin.com/DR2x4j2j |
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| 03:33.37 | kingsley__ | I'd like to see some intelligent comments on a new package that addresses an old and important problem: Protecting your computer from javascript malware. |
| 03:33.38 | jelly | Kayla: next time, could you put everything in one paste, and use paste.debian.net or fpaste.org or anything but pastebin.com (it's full of ads) |
| 03:33.38 | Kayla | here is apt-cache: |
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| 03:33.48 | Kayla | pastebin.com/nDaMpYHp |
| 03:33.49 | kingsley__ | The package is called "firejail". |
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| 03:34.11 | kingsley__ | It was initially released on March 15th. |
| 03:34.22 | kingsley__ | You can read about it at ... |
| 03:34.33 | kingsley__ | https://packages.debian.org/unstable/main/firejail |
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| 03:35.04 | Kayla | sorry i am sorry |
| 03:35.17 | jelly | Kayla: "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy libc6 firmware-iwlwifi". The first command is apt-cache, then space, then policy... |
| 03:35.39 | Kayla | paste.debian.net/265004 |
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| 03:36.51 | Kayla | paste.debian.net/265005 |
| 03:37.30 | dvs | no non-free |
| 03:38.23 | Kayla | paste.debian.net/265006 |
| 03:38.33 | Kayla | i think those are all of them |
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| 03:39.31 | jelly | Kayla: that's weird. it looks as if you only had "main contrib" in the sources.list lines, without " non-free" |
| 03:39.48 | Kayla | let me check |
| 03:41.03 | Kayla | paste.debian.net/265007 |
| 03:41.36 | dvs | !prize me |
| 03:41.36 | dpkg | gives dvs a yogi pin. |
| 03:41.41 | dvs | yay |
| 03:41.48 | slute | Kayla: yeah |
| 03:41.53 | slute | you have contrib where it's not needed |
| 03:41.55 | slute | that's for security |
| 03:41.57 | slute | so.. |
| 03:42.12 | Kayla | i remove all the contribs? |
| 03:42.13 | slute | the ninth line should look like: |
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| 03:42.19 | slute | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ jessie main contrbi non-free |
| 03:42.19 | dvs | ... |
| 03:42.25 | dvs | oops |
| 03:42.30 | dvs | ^^^ |
| 03:42.31 | slute | and the tenth: |
| 03:42.36 | slute | deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ jessie main contrib non-free |
| 03:42.53 | slute | you can remove "contrib" off of lines 12 and 13 |
| 03:43.22 | slute | and also 16 and 17 need non-free added to the end of both lines |
| 03:44.00 | slute | you there Kayla and do you follow me? |
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| 03:44.29 | Kayla | i am sorry |
| 03:44.35 | slute | Kayla: it is fine |
| 03:44.36 | Kayla | can you post a pastebin of what is suppost to look like |
| 03:44.43 | Kayla | the lines on my source and paste look different |
| 03:44.54 | slute | Kayla: that's fine. let me make a paste |
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| 03:47.04 | jak2000 | i need run this command at the startup: /usr/local/mysql/bin/mysqld_safe --user=mysql & in which file write? |
| 03:47.27 | slute | Kayla: http://paste.debian.net/265019/ |
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| 03:50.22 | slute | Kayla: i hope that works out |
| 03:50.28 | slute | *i know it will |
| 03:50.36 | dvs | heh |
| 03:50.45 | dvs | slute: come back tomorrow |
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| 03:50.59 | Kayla | do i delete the first line |
| 03:51.04 | Kayla | you dont have it in there |
| 03:51.05 | jak2000 | dvs any advice friend |
| 03:51.17 | Kayla | the deb cdrom:[Debian Gnu/Linux 8.1 ect |
| 03:51.17 | slute | Kayla: you can delete all that is in your editor and paste exactly what i put in the paste |
| 03:51.24 | dvs | Kayla: Make your sources.list look EXACTLY like that paste |
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| 03:52.01 | slute | Kayla: those first lines are only use on the initial install |
| 03:52.16 | slute | once installed you are only updating/upgrading |
| 03:52.27 | dvs | jak2000: nope |
| 03:52.39 | Kayla | ok done |
| 03:52.43 | slute | Kayla: very good |
| 03:52.56 | slute | so, simply run "apt-get update" and "apt-get upgrade" |
| 03:53.02 | slute | let us know how that runs |
| 03:54.05 | Kayla | updated 46kbs |
| 03:54.08 | Kayla | didnt upgrade anything |
| 03:54.13 | slute | you are safe to upgrade |
| 03:54.43 | AdrianKoshka | bloop |
| 03:54.54 | Kayla | no i mean it says 0 upgraded 0 new install 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded |
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| 03:55.15 | slute | Kayla: okay you must not have much installed |
| 03:55.28 | dvs | just install iwlwifi |
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| 03:55.53 | slute | Kayla: yes, search: apt-cache search iwlwifi |
| 03:56.12 | slute | i can do a search from here and show you the results |
| 03:56.15 | dvs | why? |
| 03:56.32 | Kayla | ok i searched it |
| 03:56.35 | slute | the package will be called: firmware-iwlwifi - Binary firmware for Intel Wireless cards |
| 03:56.37 | Kayla | nothing happened |
| 03:56.49 | slute | Kayla: that concerns me |
| 03:57.08 | slute | Kayla: did you apt-get update before you did apt-get upgrade |
| 03:57.30 | Kayla | yes |
| 03:57.46 | slute | alright, try to do this: apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi |
| 03:57.55 | dvs | yay |
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| 03:58.22 | Kayla | is spelled |
| 03:58.26 | Kayla | iwlwifi right? |
| 03:58.28 | Kayla | with an l |
| 03:58.29 | slute | yes |
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| 03:58.44 | Kayla | says package is not available |
| 03:59.13 | Kayla | also says package is referred to by another package |
| 03:59.22 | slute | Kayla: did your line look like this in the terminal: sudo apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi ? |
| 03:59.40 | Kayla | i use su instead of sudo |
| 03:59.56 | slute | okay, that's fine. |
| 03:59.57 | Kayla | but yes |
| 04:00.12 | slute | okay, try typing the folling exactly one more time: |
| 04:00.20 | slute | apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi |
| 04:00.30 | themill | !non-free sources |
| 04:00.30 | dpkg | Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «aptitude update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>. |
| 04:01.02 | slute | themill: Kayla has the non-free |
| 04:01.24 | themill | are we sure? (and has apt update been successfully run?) |
| 04:01.54 | jelly | themill: we're sure if Kayla's pastes are to be trusted at all :-| |
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| 04:02.04 | dvs | true |
| 04:02.12 | slute | i know what happened |
| 04:02.21 | themill | the last paste I see from Kayla doesn't include non-free. |
| 04:02.23 | slute | Kayla: did you save on exiting nano |
| 04:02.31 | Kayla | yes i did |
| 04:02.36 | Kayla | i check |
| 04:02.38 | slute | cntrl+x |
| 04:02.39 | slute | ok |
| 04:02.59 | dvs | did she exit nano? The last person saw several instances of nano running on that one file. |
| 04:03.07 | slute | lol |
| 04:03.13 | slute | i've been there |
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| 04:03.31 | Kayla | what is sources directory in nano again |
| 04:03.35 | slute | firmware-iwlwifi - Binary firmware for Intel Wireless cards |
| 04:03.37 | slute | oops |
| 04:03.44 | slute | http://paste.debian.net/265019/ |
| 04:03.49 | dvs | I bet it's already open |
| 04:04.17 | Kayla | my nano isnt open |
| 04:04.23 | Kayla | but i forget how to get back in there |
| 04:04.32 | slute | Kayla: in a terminal type the following: |
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| 04:04.44 | dvs | I need my sleep... and my sanity |
| 04:04.49 | slute | sudo or "su" nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:05.25 | slute | if the cd lines are still showing, it didn't save |
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| 04:06.55 | Kayla | paste.debian.net/265021 |
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| 04:07.35 | slute | Kayla: those are the original ones |
| 04:07.44 | slute | let me help you if you have a minute, Kayla |
| 04:07.50 | Kayla | i do |
| 04:07.52 | slute | let's do this one step at a time |
| 04:07.54 | Kayla | sorry i am messing up so bad |
| 04:07.58 | slute | no no, it's okay |
| 04:08.07 | slute | we all start where you are. |
| 04:08.14 | slute | so, you are in nano currently. |
| 04:08.24 | Kayla | yes |
| 04:08.29 | slute | use your up arrow to go to the very top left of nano |
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| 04:08.40 | slute | *up and then left |
| 04:08.41 | Kayla | ok |
| 04:08.50 | Kayla | so im at the # thing |
| 04:09.12 | slute | now, hold in control+k until it's empty |
| 04:09.13 | Kayla | ok |
| 04:09.19 | slute | done? |
| 04:09.23 | Kayla | mhm |
| 04:09.31 | slute | aright, follow this link: http://paste.debian.net/265019/ |
| 04:09.41 | slute | click "show as text" |
| 04:10.02 | slute | copy the output and then paste it into nano |
| 04:11.05 | slute | let me know when you've done that |
| 04:11.17 | Kayla | ok so now i only have |
| 04:11.26 | Kayla | 7 lines including the comment |
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| 04:11.37 | Kayla | the #jessie-updates, prev comment |
| 04:12.10 | slute | ok |
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| 04:12.15 | Kayla | wait |
| 04:12.19 | Kayla | how i click show as text |
| 04:12.21 | slute | so, as long as it looks identical to the pastebin link |
| 04:12.37 | slute | Kayla: show as text is on the paste.debian.net website http://paste.debian.net/265019/ |
| 04:12.42 | Kayla | oh |
| 04:12.57 | slute | that way you can just copy and paste without the other stuff |
| 04:13.26 | Kayla | paste.debian.net/265158 |
| 04:13.48 | slute | Kayla: that is your old one |
| 04:14.20 | slute | use the one i made for you, please: http://paste.debian.net/plain/265019 |
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| 04:14.43 | Kayla | hold on ill fix sorry |
| 04:14.53 | slute | no problem, it's okay |
| 04:14.58 | Hydroxide | and best wishes finding local sources of friendship too, as well as a better job |
| 04:15.04 | Hydroxide | err wrong window (though good wishes to everone) |
| 04:15.52 | slute | lol thnxd |
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| 04:16.03 | Kayla | to get back i go |
| 04:16.16 | Kayla | nano /apt/sources.list? |
| 04:16.16 | slute | i'm here. hmm? |
| 04:16.27 | slute | Kayla: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:16.36 | slute | by the way: don't close your terminal until we are done |
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| 04:16.49 | jak2000 | for get internet on my debian i need type: ip route add default via 132.1.5.254 how to make it permanently this entry? |
| 04:17.48 | shingouz | !tell jak2000 about static route |
| 04:17.54 | shingouz | !tell jak2000 about interfaces |
| 04:18.05 | shingouz | jak2000: see what dpkg spat out... |
| 04:18.12 | slute | there is a final step Kayla |
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| 04:19.41 | slute | Kayla: my friend, fear not. i am as patient as a brick |
| 04:19.53 | jak2000 | shingouz ok |
| 04:19.58 | Kayla | sorry |
| 04:19.58 | Kayla | is |
| 04:20.09 | Kayla | paste.debian.net/265169 |
| 04:21.11 | slute | Kayla: perfect! |
| 04:21.12 | slute | now wait |
| 04:21.27 | Kayla | WAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 04:21.28 | slute | in nano: hit control+x |
| 04:21.47 | slute | that will save it. and you can hit enter to save it as the same file name |
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| 04:22.11 | Kayla | can i keep the file name the same |
| 04:22.15 | slute | yes, you must |
| 04:22.16 | Kayla | ive memorized it like 100 times now |
| 04:23.26 | slute | okay are we ready for updates and upgrades? |
| 04:23.47 | Kayla | yesyesyesyes |
| 04:23.51 | Kayla | yes please |
| 04:23.52 | Kayla | :) |
| 04:24.03 | slute | as you have been using "su" |
| 04:24.10 | Kayla | yes for the nano |
| 04:24.18 | slute | that's fine. |
| 04:24.23 | slute | use the same for apt-get update |
| 04:25.07 | Kayla | do i close the nano yet? |
| 04:25.12 | slute | did it save? |
| 04:25.18 | Kayla | yes |
| 04:25.23 | slute | control+x |
| 04:25.35 | slute | them you hit enter twice |
| 04:25.39 | slute | *then |
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| 04:26.38 | Kayla | apt-get update? |
| 04:26.47 | slute | Yes |
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| 04:27.20 | Selune | hello |
| 04:27.22 | Kayla | ok now what |
| 04:27.30 | slute | then apt-get upgrade |
| 04:27.53 | Kayla | already did that one |
| 04:28.02 | slute | you did both in that order, correct? |
| 04:28.06 | Kayla | mhm |
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| 04:28.17 | slute | ok. apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi |
| 04:28.38 | Kayla | omg its working !!! |
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| 04:28.42 | slute | :D |
| 04:29.07 | Kayla | now wat do i do |
| 04:29.22 | slute | you can run another apt-get update |
| 04:29.31 | slute | that's to make sure your new wifi firmware is up to date |
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| 04:31.13 | slute | Kayla: one more thing i'd request from you so that things are easier to diagnose in the future. |
| 04:32.51 | Selune | I'm on a Jessie, and would like to communicate on a port (27015) with a website but it fails and the port is marked as closed (not listening). I removed iptables, but same result. Could anyone help me please ? |
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| 04:33.09 | slute | Selune: are you running ufw? |
| 04:33.29 | Selune | I Don't think so |
| 04:33.47 | slute | iptables is built into the kernel |
| 04:33.52 | slute | i'd keep that |
| 04:34.05 | AW3i | is that an external website? |
| 04:34.12 | Selune | yes it is |
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| 04:34.14 | Kayla | sorry my computer died |
| 04:34.17 | Kayla | laptop |
| 04:34.25 | slute | Kayla: it's good. welcome back |
| 04:34.37 | slute | Selune: you might have to open a port on your router |
| 04:34.50 | slute | Kayla: i was going to ask you to install something for easier diagnosis |
| 04:35.00 | AW3i | he doesn't have to open a port on his router to connect to an external website |
| 04:35.08 | Selune | slute : I have no access to the router, it's a dedicated server |
| 04:35.13 | slute | AW3i: depends on what type of "communication" he is doing |
| 04:35.28 | AW3i | but in my knowledge the port 27015 was commonly used for counter strike dedicated servers,that is not a website |
| 04:35.30 | Kayla | my wicd doesnt detect wireless networks |
| 04:35.34 | Kayla | do i have to restart the laptop? |
| 04:35.45 | slute | Kayla: more than likely |
| 04:35.50 | slute | but one thing |
| 04:35.50 | Selune | AW3i: it's an ARK server in fact |
| 04:35.55 | slute | Kayla: before you restart |
| 04:36.05 | slute | in your terminal, please paste the following for inxi: cd /usr/local/bin && wget -Nc smxi.org/smxi.zip && unzip smxi.zip && smxi |
| 04:36.16 | slute | wait no |
| 04:36.37 | themill | err... |
| 04:36.51 | slute | lol |
| 04:36.55 | slute | Kayla: cd /usr/local/bin && wget -Nc smxi.org/inxi && chmod +x inxi && inxi |
| 04:37.07 | AW3i | i haven't played ARK but are you sure the dedicated server is running? |
| 04:37.49 | Kayla | what does that do? |
| 04:37.51 | themill | Kayla, slute: #debian isn't much of a fan of smxi and not much of a fan of downloading hairballs as root and running unauthenticated bits, |
| 04:37.52 | Selune | AW3i: Yes I'm connected through the game client into the server right now. But arkservers.net keeps saying the server is offline. |
| 04:37.57 | slute | Kayla: it doest his |
| 04:37.58 | slute | this |
| 04:38.05 | slute | Network: Card Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller driver r8169 |
| 04:38.08 | slute | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:38.18 | slute | it prints into the room what hardware you are running. |
| 04:39.48 | slute | Kayla: if you don't feel you need to do that. try a reboot and see how wifi acts. |
| 04:41.28 | Kayla | says um |
| 04:41.32 | Kayla | dependency not met |
| 04:41.38 | Kayla | i will restart |
| 04:42.30 | Kayla | no networks found in wicd |
| 04:44.52 | Kayla | i dont get why wont find wireless netowrks.. |
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| 04:46.12 | Kayla | is it wicd? |
| 04:46.24 | Kayla | it has the firmware :/ |
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| 04:47.14 | slute | Kayla: i was away |
| 04:47.41 | slute | Kayla: in your terminal type: wicd-curses after you've rebooted |
| 04:47.48 | Kayla | oh ok |
| 04:49.26 | Kayla | no such command |
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| 04:52.01 | Kayla | wicd-curses says command not found |
| 04:52.47 | slute | okay, apt-get install wicd-curses |
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| 04:53.07 | Selune | AW3i: want to check the direct website's URL ? |
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| 04:56.52 | Kayla | says lots of things |
| 04:56.59 | Kayla | temp resolving ftp.us.deb.org |
| 04:57.17 | Kayla | failed to fetch ftp.us.deb/debian/pool |
| 04:57.28 | Kayla | temp failure resolving ftp.us.deb.org |
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| 04:57.58 | themill | the entire output in a pastebin would be better |
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| 04:59.23 | Kayla | ok let me pastebin |
| 04:59.47 | AW3i | sure but i'm not sure if i can help |
| 05:00.10 | knivsta | hi |
| 05:00.31 | Selune | AW3i: well another sight is always welcome :) should I pm you the url or I paste it here ? |
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| 05:01.58 | slute | Kayla: did you unplug your ethernet |
| 05:02.24 | slute | i've gotta get up for work, so it's bed for me. ttyl :) |
| 05:02.48 | AW3i | you can pm |
| 05:02.54 | Kayla | is |
| 05:03.37 | Kayla | paste.debian.net/265171 |
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| 05:06.02 | Kayla | yes i try unplugging ethernet but didnt work |
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| 05:08.01 | Kayla | can someone help me get wicd curses workin |
| 05:08.46 | minitrue | Kayla: do you have a dual boot? i always endup having problems with my ethernet if i mess with something in windows |
| 05:09.36 | Kayla | no not dual |
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| 05:11.47 | minitrue | Kayla: the problem is only with wicd ? |
| 05:13.14 | Kayla | well i installed the iwlwifi firmware |
| 05:13.16 | Kayla | so it should be |
| 05:13.18 | minitrue | Kayla: what happens if you use nm-applet? |
| 05:13.28 | minitrue | alt+F2 nm-applet |
| 05:13.29 | Kayla | nm-applet? |
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| 05:13.35 | minitrue | is the network manager applet |
| 05:13.36 | minitrue | :P |
| 05:13.42 | Kayla | oh let me go try |
| 05:14.37 | Kayla | nothing happens |
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| 05:16.33 | Kayla | im using lxde so maybe it doesnt have |
| 05:16.41 | minitrue | try with modprobe -r iwlwifi |
| 05:16.47 | minitrue | modprobe iwlwifi |
| 05:17.13 | minitrue | it adds and remove the module from the kernel |
| 05:17.33 | minitrue | when i have problems with my usb audio card, something like that usually helps |
| 05:18.09 | Kayla | modprobe isnt found as command |
| 05:18.24 | AW3i | are you root? |
| 05:18.52 | Kayla | says iwlwifi is in use |
| 05:19.20 | themill | you need to remove iwldvm first |
| 05:19.38 | Kayla | how i do that |
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| 05:22.52 | minitrue | Kayla: put sudo before modprobe |
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| 05:23.06 | Kayla | im already su |
| 05:23.32 | minitrue | man modprobe? |
| 05:23.45 | minitrue | you should have modprobe |
| 05:24.10 | Kayla | yeah i see stuff |
| 05:24.19 | FreezingDroid | I have a package that requires me to hit tab and then enter to accept it's installer options |
| 05:24.35 | FreezingDroid | How can I automate it for deployment? I'm using dpkg to install it |
| 05:25.17 | themill | FreezingDroid: which package? Is this a debconf prompt? |
| 05:25.21 | minitrue | Kayla: if you put whoami |
| 05:25.26 | FreezingDroid | themill: Yes, it's a prompt. |
| 05:25.28 | minitrue | it shows your username? or root? |
| 05:25.28 | FreezingDroid | Ksplice |
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| 05:25.49 | themill | FreezingDroid: Is it a _debconf_ prompt? |
| 05:25.55 | FreezingDroid | themill: Uh, I think so? |
| 05:26.01 | minitrue | dosnt know what he is doing |
| 05:26.02 | FreezingDroid | It pops up when I try to install it. |
| 05:27.01 | themill | FreezingDroid: you'd have to look at the the maintainer scripts to know -- /var/lib/dpkg/info/$package.{config,preinst,postinst}; if it's using debconf then you should be able to preseed your agreement. |
| 05:27.12 | Kayla | whoami? |
| 05:27.33 | themill | dpkg: tell FreezingDroid about debconf-set-selections |
| 05:27.33 | FreezingDroid | themill: He has a preinst |
| 05:27.42 | themill | FreezingDroid: can you pastebin it? |
| 05:28.05 | FreezingDroid | http://ix.io/jnf |
| 05:29.38 | themill | FreezingDroid: yep, so debconf is used which means you can push the relevant values into the debconf database prior to trying to install the package and it will then not ask you the questions. |
| 05:29.46 | FreezingDroid | themill: I |
| 05:29.55 | FreezingDroid | themill: I'm about to head off to bed, would you mind giving me a quick one-liner? |
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| 05:30.24 | Lady_Aleena | Hello. Is there a way to clear the temp files of all web browsers and other programs all at once? |
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| 05:30.41 | Kayla | sorry guys |
| 05:30.44 | Kayla | wifi hates me |
| 05:30.46 | themill | FreezingDroid: you'd need to preseed uptrack/accepted-terms and uptrack/accesskey -- doing what dpkg just said is a good start; a practical example at http://nanonanonano.net/linux/debian/javapbuilder |
| 05:31.05 | FreezingDroid | themill: Why can't I just skip the accepted terms and keep the accesskey? |
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| 05:31.47 | themill | FreezingDroid: look at the postinst -- it explicitly checks both values |
| 05:31.47 | FreezingDroid | heh, I'm probably just going to give up. |
| 05:31.59 | KM0201 | man, bunch of quitters today |
| 05:32.06 | KM0201 | whats wrong FreezingDroid |
| 05:32.12 | Kayla | i tried for like 10 hours |
| 05:32.17 | Kayla | just to get wifi working |
| 05:32.17 | FreezingDroid | KM0201: This is insanely difficult just to hit a fscking prompt =P |
| 05:32.19 | Kayla | its not fiar |
| 05:32.30 | KM0201 | huh? |
| 05:32.36 | themill | FreezingDroid: it's not insanely difficult at all. It's < 5 min work. |
| 05:32.41 | FreezingDroid | themill: The accesskey is already automated by something easy |
| 05:32.44 | KM0201 | Kayla: question, do you have synaptic package manager installed? |
| 05:32.45 | FreezingDroid | Dude, I've been at this for two hours. |
| 05:32.50 | Lady_Aleena | is getting tired of websites not loading in any browser. |
| 05:32.52 | KM0201 | FreezingDroid: at what? |
| 05:32.52 | Kayla | no |
| 05:32.58 | Kayla | i installed firmware |
| 05:33.02 | Kayla | but then was like |
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| 05:33.07 | Kayla | oooh you need wicd curses |
| 05:33.09 | Kayla | .. |
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| 05:33.20 | FreezingDroid | KM0201: I'm trying to just freaking accepted a terms of service agreement when I install a package with dpkg |
| 05:33.23 | themill | FreezingDroid: It's a <5min job to do what I have suggested. I can't speak to whatever other things you've already tried. |
| 05:33.25 | FreezingDroid | that's literally it. |
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| 05:33.53 | KM0201 | FreezingDroid: what package? usually that's just tab >>> space |
| 05:33.57 | FreezingDroid | themill: You're suggesting I have to implement fetching the API key *again*, which is what I wasted two hours working with. |
| 05:34.06 | themill | FreezingDroid: why? |
| 05:34.09 | FreezingDroid | KM0201: Are those commands? |
| 05:34.17 | FreezingDroid | themill: Because you said I have to manually provide an API key. |
| 05:34.22 | KM0201 | nevermind, i misunderstood what you're saying |
| 05:34.22 | FreezingDroid | you just said it checks for both. |
| 05:34.35 | themill | FreezingDroid: no, I said you need to put the API key into the preseed file. |
| 05:34.49 | FreezingDroid | Yeah, I don't have to do that with the normal installer |
| 05:35.00 | themill | "normal installer"? |
| 05:35.03 | FreezingDroid | I don't get why pressing two little keys requires me rebuilding an entire package |
| 05:35.04 | Kayla | whats synamptic do? |
| 05:35.13 | themill | FreezingDroid: it doesn't. |
| 05:35.16 | FreezingDroid | themill: ughhhhhhhh, I just mean installing the package with bop kasdfmg |
| 05:35.17 | FreezingDroid | sefgkp [ |
| 05:35.17 | FreezingDroid | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:35.18 | FreezingDroid | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:35.33 | FreezingDroid | Congrats on getting me to rage out. |
| 05:35.44 | KM0201 | Kayla: u still around? |
| 05:35.48 | Kayla | sadly |
| 05:35.56 | FreezingDroid | themill: NORMAL INSTALLER = USING DPKG TO FSCKING INSTALL THE PACKAGE |
| 05:36.04 | Kayla | i installed iwlwifi firmware |
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| 05:36.12 | Kayla | but wicd wont pick up wifi |
| 05:36.23 | themill | FreezingDroid: if I'm asking for clarification it's because you were vague or incomplete earlier. Rage is your problem, not mine. |
| 05:36.27 | KM0201 | question... i was just looking at the iwl package for Jessie, it's version .43... however, looking at the package for Stretch, it's .44 have you considered trying to backport that package? |
| 05:36.34 | FreezingDroid | themill: HOW THE FSCK AM I SUPPOSED TO PUT THE FSCKING API KEY INTO THE FSCKING PRESEED FIND WITHOUT REIMPLEMENTING THE API KEY FETCHING PROCESS |
| 05:36.41 | themill | FreezingDroid: anyway, you've got your solution. Have fun. |
| 05:36.42 | FreezingDroid | Listen to what you're suggesting I do |
| 05:36.49 | Kayla | i dont know how to backport |
| 05:36.51 | FreezingDroid | No I fscking don't. |
| 05:36.52 | minitrue | FreezingDroid: whoooo |
| 05:36.55 | FreezingDroid | useless crap |
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| 05:37.02 | KM0201 | Kayla: hold on |
| 05:37.23 | themill | FreezingDroid: let me know when you actually want help and are prepared to explain what's actually missing rationally rather than rant and rave. |
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| 05:42.58 | Amarande | mind you, software that requires you to stop and accept a set of specific terms and conditions before installing it is probably a flaw in and of itself, but that's a philosophical argument (although one fairly central to the Debian Way :) |
| 05:43.29 | Amarande | and it's probably something that a lot of devs just don't really think about, especially if they're used to devving on windows, I suppose |
| 05:44.13 | Amarande | (heck, on windows the notion of debianish free software terms seems to be pretty alien, judging by the number of programs I've installed on windows over the years where the installer is so geared around needing to accept a EULA that when you install something actually free, it makes you actually have to stop to accept the GPL) |
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| 05:47.30 | minitrue | Amarande: there is REW :P its a software that started for windows and mac, when you install it in GNU/linux it creates a desktop shortcut xD |
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| 05:57.08 | Kayla | i have iwlwifi firmware installed however my wicd wont pick up wireless. |
| 05:57.10 | Kayla | any ideas? |
| 05:57.47 | Equa | Kayla: do ip a |
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| 05:58.50 | Equa | Kayla: check around your laptop and see if there's a toggle for on and off for the wifi. make sure it's on |
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| 05:59.08 | Kayla | i did ip a |
| 05:59.36 | Equa | Kayla: do you understand it ? if not paste it on paste.debian.net |
| 06:00.43 | KM0201 | i'm wondering if her version of iwlwifi just doens't support her device... (it should)... i'm suggesting trying to backport the version from stretch. |
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| 06:01.17 | KM0201 | admittedly, wireless is not my forte.. i make sure i buy Atheros, they typically "just work".. and i have a atheros USB device for when they don't work...lol |
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| 06:01.23 | Equa | KM0201: or it's turned off xd. |
| 06:01.31 | KM0201 | Equa: not turned off |
| 06:01.32 | Kayla | how pastebin.com/in6cdgVy |
| 06:01.33 | KM0201 | we went through that earlier |
| 06:01.45 | minitrue | Equa: she dosent have modeprobe thats weird, |
| 06:02.02 | KM0201 | well shit, now she's showing wlan0 |
| 06:02.03 | minitrue | *modprobe |
| 06:02.04 | Equa | minitrue: she's been caught to do commands not under root since she close and open multiple windows |
| 06:02.04 | KM0201 | that's progress |
| 06:02.40 | Equa | Kayla: ok your wirless device is down |
| 06:02.46 | minitrue | ah, ok she said that was already su, so i assumed ... |
| 06:02.50 | Equa | Kayla: do this command ip link set wlan0 up |
| 06:02.51 | Kayla | how i turn it up |
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| 06:03.12 | KM0201 | thought we did that earlier. |
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| 06:03.30 | Equa | KM0201: she skips or does nto follow all the steps xd |
| 06:03.41 | KM0201 | she was pretty frustrated earlier, so i'll give her a pass. |
| 06:03.47 | Equa | KM0201: i'm just gonna read all the output for her |
| 06:03.50 | KM0201 | when i remoted her PC, she had at least 15 copies of sources.list open |
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| 06:04.09 | Equa | KM0201: ya she's new. understable. it can be quite confusing for some |
| 06:04.14 | KM0201 | everything from nano, openoffice, and leafpad..lol |
| 06:04.53 | KM0201 | i was actually helping her add some repositories.. luike i said, wireless isn;t really my forte |
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| 06:05.21 | KM0201 | i buy stuff that i know works out of the box (which most of it does nowdays..) |
| 06:05.31 | Equa | KM0201: last thing i remembered we checked rfkill. |
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| 06:05.58 | KM0201 | Equa: yeah, that should all be unblocked.. i double checked that, and it was still soft blocked |
| 06:06.01 | Equa | KM0201: it's just like this for some hardware. I installed enough debian to know that on some devices it takes a bit more work |
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| 06:06.20 | Equa | KM0201: i think she installed a new copy of debian so she's redoing all the steps |
| 06:06.35 | Kayla | yes want deb as light as possible |
| 06:06.47 | KM0201 | i'd worry more about working.. then worry about light |
| 06:06.51 | Equa | KM0201: last time we/I helped her... we already got rfkill and firmware installed. so she's redoign it now |
| 06:07.00 | Kayla | nononoo |
| 06:07.04 | Kayla | i didnt uninstall firmware |
| 06:07.11 | Equa | KM0201: get it to work. document the steps to fix it. then she can do a clean install then |
| 06:07.26 | KM0201 | no need to do a clean install if she gets it to work. |
| 06:07.42 | KM0201 | she still has the firmware installed |
| 06:07.42 | Equa | KM0201: what's the output of ip link set wlan0 up ? |
| 06:07.52 | Equa | sorry that was suppose to go to Kayla |
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| 06:08.47 | Kayla | says |
| 06:08.56 | Equa | Kayla: use pastebin.. i dont' want a summary |
| 06:09.07 | Lady_Aleena | Anyone know when jessie will become the new stable? |
| 06:09.09 | Kayla | no carrier broadcast multicast up, mtu 1500 qdisc mq state downg roup default qleen 1000 |
| 06:09.18 | KM0201 | Lady_Aleena: uh... it's stable now |
| 06:09.21 | Kayla | oh sorry |
| 06:09.43 | Lady_Aleena | KM0201, when did it become the new stable? |
| 06:09.50 | KM0201 | uh, like a montha go? |
| 06:09.53 | KM0201 | maybe longer |
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| 06:10.14 | KM0201 | Lady_Aleena: i guess we can chalk you up as last to know? :) |
| 06:10.26 | Equa | Lady_Aleena: April 26th, 2015 |
| 06:10.28 | Lady_Aleena | KM0201, so it appears. |
| 06:10.31 | Lady_Aleena | :( |
| 06:10.33 | KM0201 | lol |
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| 06:10.57 | Lady_Aleena | So, when I update/upgrade this time, I'll get all new stuff? |
| 06:11.27 | KM0201 | assuming you upgrade to jessie, yes |
| 06:11.32 | Lady_Aleena | Or is there other voodoo I have to do to get wheezy to jessie? |
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| 06:11.47 | somiaj | Lady_Aleena: you should 1) read the release notes to make sure there isn't anything you need to deal with, and then 2) change your sources from wheezy to jessie before you upgrade as said in the release notes |
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| 06:12.05 | Equa | Lady_Aleena: what's your video card and wireless card? |
| 06:12.07 | Kayla | when do you think they will add drivers for t440s? |
| 06:12.09 | Lady_Aleena | KM0201, "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" won't do it? |
| 06:12.17 | Equa | Lady_Aleena: those two device seems to be the most trouble for installation |
| 06:12.33 | KM0201 | Lady_Aleena: no.. that will just update wheezy... i would bring wheezy up to date, add the jessie reports, then apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 06:12.38 | Equa | Lady_Aleena: if you got stable in the source.list instead of Wheezy then it should |
| 06:12.39 | Lady_Aleena | Equa, hold on, let me look. |
| 06:12.57 | themill | eww... don't use "stable" in your sources.list |
| 06:13.00 | KM0201 | Equa: yeah, that's a good point.. that's how i got boned on my NAS...lol |
| 06:13.06 | Kayla | do you guys think thinkpads will recieve drivers for debian soon? |
| 06:13.17 | KM0201 | i had a stable repo and didn't realize it (didn't want to upgrade Jessie when I did) |
| 06:13.32 | Equa | themill: yeah it's not recommended. but it was just an alternative since she wanted to update from apt-get |
| 06:13.47 | themill | ack |
| 06:14.02 | Lady_Aleena | My video card is NVidia GeForce 8400 GS (GT218) and I don't have a wireless card. |
| 06:14.11 | themill | Equa: it's just that it could also be construed as advice to change the sources.list to read "stable" |
| 06:14.23 | Equa | Lady_Aleena: then just get the netinstall or cd and install |
| 06:14.32 | Equa | themill: yep. i'll be careful about that next time |
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| 06:14.41 | Equa | Lady_Aleena: your installation should be smooth |
| 06:15.19 | Kayla | thanks for helping |
| 06:15.29 | swift110-phone | Hey guys |
| 06:15.51 | KM0201 | Kayla: did this device work on Ubuntu? |
| 06:16.02 | Kayla | yea im not using ubuntu though |
| 06:16.12 | KM0201 | i'm aware of that |
| 06:16.21 | KM0201 | but didn't you say earlier you were using ubuntu before debian |
| 06:16.22 | Equa | Kayla: gimme the output of ip link set wlan0 up and dmesg |
| 06:16.44 | Kayla | mhm |
| 06:17.11 | Lady_Aleena | This is my current sources.list http://paste.debian.net/265212/ |
| 06:17.25 | KM0201 | Lady_Aleena: apt-get update |
| 06:17.26 | KM0201 | apt-get upgrade |
| 06:17.31 | KM0201 | .. once all taht is done |
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| 06:18.05 | KM0201 | change all "wheezy" references, to jessie.... then save... apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 06:18.23 | KM0201 | actually, it should be apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 06:18.32 | Lady_Aleena | KM0201, I just did "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get autoclean" |
| 06:18.38 | KM0201 | ok |
| 06:18.46 | Omilun | hello ... debian have a good dictionary like Babylon ? |
| 06:19.02 | KM0201 | so now, edit your sources list... and change all references to "wheezy" to "jessie" |
| 06:19.57 | Kayla | paste.debian.net/265213 |
| 06:20.04 | Kayla | output^ |
| 06:20.07 | Omilun | hello ... debian have a good dictionary like Babylon ? |
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| 06:20.25 | Lady_Aleena | KM0201, I'm taking notes. It is 2:20am here, so I want to upgrade from wheezy to jessie after some sleep. |
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| 06:21.01 | Equa | Kayla: you gave me the output of the wrong stuff |
| 06:21.09 | Kayla | what output do you need |
| 06:21.18 | Equa | Kayla: ip link set wlan0 up |
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| 06:21.26 | Lady_Aleena | And another reason I did not know about the change is I went into surgery about a month ago, which meant a flurry of presurgery stuff the month before. |
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| 06:21.51 | Kayla | that didnt give me any output |
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| 06:21.59 | Lady_Aleena | And I am still recovering from surgery. |
| 06:22.02 | Equa | Kayla: let me check on my end |
| 06:22.21 | KM0201 | well, no output is better than an error.. usually that means it worked |
| 06:23.10 | Equa | Kayla: ok if the command went well. do ip a and check if it's up |
| 06:24.12 | KM0201 | Lady_Aleena: that happened to me once.. i was in the hospital for 2mo (sepsis sucks), spent about a month recovering, and finally got back to work, and got an email right when i went back to work, that a custom holster i'd ordered about a month before i got sick (and totally forgot about) was done and ready to ship..lol. it was myu going back to work present |
| 06:24.14 | Kayla | how will i knkow if its up |
| 06:24.21 | Kayla | because it says down |
| 06:24.27 | KM0201 | if it says down, it's still down... |
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| 06:24.47 | Kayla | multicast up, state down group |
| 06:24.48 | Equa | Kayla: wlan0: <NO-CARRIER,BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP> mtu 1500 qdisc mq state UP group default qlen 1000 |
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| 06:24.56 | Kayla | nop |
| 06:24.59 | Equa | Kayla: the word after state |
| 06:25.01 | Kayla | still down |
| 06:25.33 | Equa | Kayla: give me the output of dmesg |
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| 06:25.48 | Lady_Aleena | Is there a page on the Debian website with the upgrade instructions so I can use it as a reference tomorrow? |
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| 06:26.56 | Kayla | paste.debian.net/265214 |
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| 06:27.43 | Kayla | brb cig |
| 06:27.54 | KM0201 | lol |
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| 06:28.06 | KM0201 | poor Kayla she can't get wireless working and it's stressing her out so bad she's gotta smoe |
| 06:28.09 | KM0201 | *smoke |
| 06:28.15 | KM0201 | Lady_Aleena: http://linuxconfig.org/how-to-upgrade-debian-linux-system-from-wheezy-to-jessie-stable-release |
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| 06:28.51 | themill | dpkg: tell Lady_Aleena about wheezy->jessie |
| 06:29.03 | KM0201 | Lady_Aleena: although if it were me, i'd manually edit my sources list at step 3.. and as i said earlier, just change all the wheezy references, to jessie |
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| 06:29.25 | Lady_Aleena | KM0201, I'm also reading https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading |
| 06:29.44 | Lady_Aleena | GUH! What about the program I installed with Wine? Will I have to reinstall? |
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| 06:30.06 | themill | wine stuff lives only in your home directory and apt knows nothing about it |
| 06:30.21 | KM0201 | ^^ |
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| 06:31.32 | Lady_Aleena | I need to check the size of my entire /home directory. I don't know if I have a USB stick large enough to copy it. |
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| 06:32.34 | KM0201 | Lady_Aleena: why do you need to copy it if your'e upgrading? |
| 06:32.44 | Lady_Aleena | KM0201, just in case? |
| 06:32.50 | KM0201 | o ok |
| 06:32.59 | themill | backups are always good |
| 06:33.09 | KM0201 | i'm anal retentive about backups, so... i don't usually have that issue.. i just throw caution tot he wind cuz i'm usually very close to current |
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| 06:33.47 | Kayla | ok |
| 06:34.01 | Lady_Aleena | I might have to back it up to my slave drive. |
| 06:34.04 | Kayla | any luck? |
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| 06:34.30 | Equa | Kayla: log out your lxde. log in as root instead of your current user. try to setup wicd from there |
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| 06:34.40 | KM0201 | hmm |
| 06:34.44 | KM0201 | hadn't really thought of that |
| 06:35.00 | Kayla | how do i log out of lxde |
| 06:35.16 | Equa | clikc that arrow thing on the pannel, logout |
| 06:35.32 | Equa | Kayla: if you got the default. i think they have a running man logout button on the right too |
| 06:35.37 | Lady_Aleena | I am getting really tired, so I will have to do the upgrade tomorrow or the next day when I am fresher. (I have quests coming over tomorrow.) |
| 06:35.42 | themill | logging in as root ;( |
| 06:35.42 | Kayla | ok im on the lagin screen |
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| 06:35.58 | Lady_Aleena | Thank you all and have a good day! |
| 06:36.01 | themill | It may well just be that you've got a case where wicd doesn't work... it's like that. network-manager tends to be a better choice by far these days |
| 06:36.18 | Kayla | can i install network manager by apt-get? |
| 06:36.20 | Equa | themill: yeah, probably do nm after |
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| 06:36.34 | Kayla | nm? |
| 06:36.44 | H3ctor | hello all |
| 06:36.48 | Equa | Kayla: just log in as root and setup your wicd |
| 06:36.55 | KM0201 | themill: i mentioned that earlier, if it was possibly an issue with wicd |
| 06:37.08 | themill | indeed |
| 06:37.13 | Kayla | how do i do that equa |
| 06:37.15 | Equa | Kayla: you only need to set it up once. the setting should stick |
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| 06:37.28 | KM0201 | Kayla: log out, username root password: root password |
| 06:37.43 | H3ctor | kayla hello |
| 06:37.52 | Kayla | says invalid password |
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| 06:38.12 | KM0201 | hmm |
| 06:38.24 | KM0201 | i thought fdebian allowed root login (although i've never done it) |
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| 06:38.46 | Equa | Kayla: open a terminal and do su |
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| 06:39.07 | Kayla | ok lets install network manager |
| 06:39.24 | KM0201 | that's pretty drastic, i'd follow what he's saying first |
| 06:39.25 | Equa | Kayla: once you are root. do : ip link set wlan0 up |
| 06:39.42 | Kayla | ok i did it |
| 06:39.46 | Kayla | wlan0 is up |
| 06:39.49 | Equa | good |
| 06:39.56 | Psy-Q | so, frickin megabytes of syslogd restarting itself in /var/log/syslog, the best discussion i've found so far on it was on linuxquestions |
| 06:39.58 | Equa | now chk wicd and see if u can see stuff now |
| 06:40.23 | KM0201 | wtf... hvaen't we done that like 12x, why did it all of a sudden work? |
| 06:40.36 | Equa | KM she wasn't using root to do it |
| 06:40.45 | Equa | KM0201: that's why i wanted her to log in as root to be sure |
| 06:40.48 | KM0201 | Equa: she should have been |
| 06:40.51 | Psy-Q | these guys discuss this on Fedora, but i also have the issue in jessie: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/fedora-35/systemd-log-flood-session-opened-for-user-root-4175534737-print/page2.html |
| 06:40.59 | Equa | KM0201: should and is are different things ;/ |
| 06:41.06 | KM0201 | lol |
| 06:41.11 | Psy-Q | is what they're saying true, cron somehow starts a per-user systemd that will logspam you under normal conditions/ |
| 06:41.28 | Kayla | ok wicd still isnt working |
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| 06:41.42 | KM0201 | if you've confirmed your wlan0 is up |
| 06:41.46 | KM0201 | then i'd say it's time for nm |
| 06:41.57 | Equa | Kayla: you still got the terminal with root up? |
| 06:42.08 | H3ctor | can i change my nick |
| 06:42.29 | KM0201 | H3ctor: of course.. what client are you using? |
| 06:42.29 | Equa | H3ctor: on your irc client? |
| 06:42.45 | Kayla | yes |
| 06:42.54 | Equa | Kayla: do iwlist wlan0 scan |
| 06:42.57 | H3ctor | i dont understand |
| 06:43.20 | Equa | H3ctor: what nickname are you trying to change? the one on here? |
| 06:43.22 | KM0201 | H3ctor: what do you not understand? |
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| 06:43.33 | H3ctor | wait |
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| 06:44.17 | H3ctor | when I talk to u |
| 06:44.40 | H3ctor | on my screen appear simple its |
| 06:44.44 | H3ctor | sorry |
| 06:44.47 | Equa | H3ctor: what's your client? web ? irssi? mirc? ircII? |
| 06:44.51 | H3ctor | simple irc |
| 06:44.59 | Kayla | i think debian just hates me |
| 06:45.07 | Equa | Kayla: gimme that output |
| 06:45.22 | H3ctor | when u respond to my appear hector |
| 06:46.17 | Equa | H3ctor: should just be /nick yournewname |
| 06:46.27 | H3ctor | irc.freenode.net |
| 06:47.16 | H3ctor | ok....thank u |
| 06:47.48 | Kayla | paste.debian.net/265231 |
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| 06:48.11 | Equa | Kayla: congrats... your wifi is working |
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| 06:48.25 | at0m|c | \o/ |
| 06:48.27 | Equa | Kayla: i see about 9 networks near you |
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| 06:48.30 | H3ctor | I m from Romania |
| 06:48.33 | Kayla | wat |
| 06:48.37 | at0m|c | and to you, Equa, KM0201 :) |
| 06:48.48 | H3ctor | nicee to met u all |
| 06:49.02 | Equa | at0m|c: think one last step with wicd or we might need nm |
| 06:49.08 | ochiottes | That's a cake moment - cake for everyone |
| 06:49.18 | KM0201 | lol |
| 06:49.26 | H3ctor | somebody talk to me |
| 06:49.34 | KM0201 | H3ctor: debian-offtopic |
| 06:49.54 | H3ctor | km0201 ? |
| 06:50.13 | Equa | Kayla: which one is your network? I see Daleur, 2WIRE040, Clemetine-guest, and etc.. |
| 06:50.29 | at0m|c | H3ctor: /join #debian-offtopic for chat. here is for support. |
| 06:50.30 | KM0201 | Kayla: is wicd seeing networks now? |
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| 06:52.34 | Kayla2 | whats going on |
| 06:52.38 | Kayla2 | can you guys hear me |
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| 06:52.43 | KM0201 | Kayla2: yes |
| 06:52.51 | Equa | Kayla2: which one is your network? I see Daleur, 2WIRE040, Clemetine-guest, and etc.. |
| 06:52.53 | Kayla2 | my name got changed |
| 06:52.57 | Kayla2 | its called net |
| 06:53.03 | H3ctor | I write that...nothing happens |
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| 06:53.18 | Equa | Kayla2: still got yourself with the root terminal? |
| 06:53.29 | Kayla2 | yes i have a root term |
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| 06:54.06 | KM0201 | well it sees your network if your network is called net, cuz i see it |
| 06:54.22 | Kayla2 | how do i connect to it? |
| 06:54.27 | Equa | Kayla2: do usermod -a -G netdev username. replace username with your current user |
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| 06:55.07 | Kayla2 | ok i did it |
| 06:55.18 | Kayla2 | i typed usermod -a -G netdev joy |
| 06:55.34 | Equa | Kayla2: log out. click start like how you would open app menu. then click logout. log back in |
| 06:56.02 | H3ctor | somebody help me |
| 06:56.12 | Equa | !ask |
| 06:56.12 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 06:56.50 | Kayla2 | ok now what do i do |
| 06:57.11 | Equa | Kayla2: check wicd and see your network. choose net and type the password for the wifi |
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| 06:58.02 | H3ctor | this chat sucks |
| 06:58.32 | KM0201 | it's not a chatroom, it's a support channel |
| 06:58.39 | Kayla2 | wicd doesnt work unless im connected to wlan |
| 06:58.48 | Kayla2 | says no wireless network found |
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| 06:58.56 | Psy-Q | where does the debian mozilla team hang out? |
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| 06:59.36 | Kayla2 | oh wow |
| 06:59.40 | Kayla2 | i am A RETARD |
| 06:59.50 | KM0201 | chuckles |
| 07:00.05 | Kayla2 | on properties i didnt put wlan0 in wireless properties |
| 07:00.11 | Kayla2 | just was blank |
| 07:00.12 | Kayla2 | fml |
| 07:00.20 | KM0201 | so is it working now? |
| 07:00.26 | themill | Psy-Q: there's a #debian-mozilla on irc.oftc.net but you're quite probably going to get further with an email to their mailing list. |
| 07:00.59 | Psy-Q | themill: oh! ok, thanks. i want to ask whether the Pocket integration from experimental is going to trickle down into testing |
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| 07:01.03 | Kayla2 | yes is working |
| 07:01.07 | Kayla2 | can i try a clean install |
| 07:01.08 | Equa | KM0201: her wireless is up and is able to scan network around her. Final stage is just to setup wicd |
| 07:01.10 | themill | !congratulate Kayla2 |
| 07:01.10 | dpkg | Good show Kayla2, you did it! |
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| 07:01.13 | Psy-Q | not that i'm personally worried (i even use pocket), but some people are worried |
| 07:01.28 | KM0201 | Kayla2: why would you clean install at this point? |
| 07:01.40 | Kayla2 | because i messed with lots of settings |
| 07:01.44 | Equa | Kayla2: dont' be haste to do clean install. we can still configure it. let me read on wicd a bit to see their configuration file |
| 07:01.52 | themill | Psy-Q: automatic phone-home stuff tends to get disabled in Debian packages |
| 07:02.01 | minitrue | Kayla2: congrats!!!!! :) |
| 07:02.05 | Psy-Q | themill: yes, that was what i was suspecting so i was trying to calm people down a bit |
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| 07:02.09 | Kayla2 | thanks :) |
| 07:02.24 | Kayla2 | sorry guys im a retard |
| 07:02.27 | Psy-Q | but if someone from the team confirms, that'll help |
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| 07:03.04 | Equa | Kayla2: you're just learning. dont' worry about it. it can get fraustrating at time... i spent many hours trying to fix things before. |
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| 07:03.37 | Equa | Kayla2: just reboot your system and configure wicd. |
| 07:04.05 | Kayla2 | i thought wicd is configured? |
| 07:04.17 | Equa | Kayla2: oh you put in your SSID and password already? |
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| 07:04.43 | Kayla2 | i dont use router pas |
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| 07:05.00 | Equa | Kayla2: yeah it's your network password... not the login password for your router |
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| 07:05.28 | Kayla2 | i dont know what a ssid and pass is then |
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| 07:05.47 | Equa | Kayla2: you have a wireless router? |
| 07:05.52 | Kayla2 | yes |
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| 07:06.37 | Equa | Kayla2: can you access the internet from the device? |
| 07:06.45 | Kayla2 | yes |
| 07:06.57 | Equa | Kayla2: then you're fine. no need for further setup |
| 07:07.24 | Kayla2 | do you guys remember the nano file that let me install iwlwifi ? |
| 07:07.47 | Kayla2 | the source |
| 07:08.02 | Equa | Kayla2: try to understand the commands you are putting in to the terminal. it's easier to understand and remember if you know why you are doing it |
| 07:08.17 | KM0201 | Kayla2: didn't you just add contrib and non-free? |
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| 07:08.20 | Equa | Kayla2: the file location is /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 07:08.25 | Kayla2 | not that |
| 07:08.28 | Kayla2 | the actual edit |
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| 07:08.42 | Equa | Kayla2: you can edit it with any text editor... doesn't have to be nano |
| 07:09.01 | Kayla2 | no i want to fresh reinstall |
| 07:09.01 | Equa | Kayla2: i use nano because it comes as default and dont' need to worry about DE |
| 07:09.40 | Equa | Kayla2: one more thing for ya. just do su and switch to root |
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| 07:09.56 | Equa | Kayla2: you don't need to remember to type it each time |
| 07:10.27 | Kayla2 | is emacs and vim text editors? |
| 07:10.45 | Equa | Kayla2: yes they are, but choose the one you are comfortable with and know how to use |
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| 07:11.08 | ryouma | Kayla2: you can also use nano and other editors |
| 07:11.14 | minitrue | Kayla2: i like vim :P, its more like nano |
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| 07:11.30 | minitrue | i find emacs kind of hard. |
| 07:11.32 | Equa | minitrue: hated them all. i was used to pico xd |
| 07:11.53 | Equa | minitrue: just takes awhile to get used to the shortcut and your way around anything |
| 07:12.15 | minitrue | yes i suppose, i actually like nano, cus is really simple and you can do markdown there :P |
| 07:12.25 | minitrue | but i started to use mutt |
| 07:12.29 | Equa | minitrue: yeah. i like nano. going back to vim is @-@ |
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| 07:12.38 | Equa | ~wq or ~q!! |
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| 07:12.41 | ryouma | minitrue: strange, i think of nano as a degenerate emacs rather than a degenerate vim because you do not have the vi style modal editing |
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| 07:13.19 | minitrue | ryouma: why degenerate? xD |
| 07:13.37 | minitrue | :wq ftw (???) |
| 07:13.58 | ryouma | minitrue: in the technical sense, as in the basics only |
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| 07:15.01 | minitrue | ah ok, well can be. Im not a power user though, but for me was easier start to use vim than emacs |
| 07:15.14 | AW3i | in emacs you can install evil and have the vim modal editting |
| 07:15.28 | ryouma | indeed |
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| 07:15.53 | minitrue | AW3i: but is more powerfull than vim? or is just different? |
| 07:15.57 | AW3i | i still prefer vim though because i don't know anything in the emacs ecosystem except evil |
| 07:16.19 | AW3i | well emacs is a nice operating system,it's just lacking as an editor compared to vim |
| 07:16.30 | ryouma | minitrue: emacs is powerful |
| 07:16.39 | minitrue | til emacs is an OS :P |
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| 07:16.57 | AW3i | that's an old joke :p |
| 07:17.29 | pfote | editor wars?! :-) |
| 07:17.46 | ryouma | nope, just friendly comments by people afaict |
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| 07:17.59 | minitrue | exactly :) |
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| 07:18.25 | minitrue | as long as nobody start to talk about gedit :P |
| 07:18.40 | Kayla2 | well |
| 07:18.43 | Kayla2 | i still like notepad |
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| 07:19.11 | AW3i | related |
| 07:19.12 | AW3i | http://notepadconf.com/ |
| 07:19.52 | minitrue | Kayla2: more than nano? |
| 07:20.19 | Kayla2 | after using nano 100 times in 1 hour |
| 07:20.23 | Kayla2 | i have found new love for it |
| 07:20.28 | Equa | Kayla2: lol :D |
| 07:20.32 | minitrue | haha |
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| 07:21.31 | Equa | Kayla2: you can do a minimal install for lxde too. That's for another time. |
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| 07:21.49 | Kayla2 | minimal install for lxde? |
| 07:22.08 | Equa | Kayla2: min software for lxde. Not much loaded at all. not even wicd. You can configure everything manually |
| 07:22.29 | Kayla2 | waaah |
| 07:22.32 | Kayla2 | i want <3 |
| 07:23.07 | Equa | Kayla2: do your installation again and use expert install. you can add non-free there too |
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| 07:23.24 | Kayla2 | expert install |
| 07:23.35 | Kayla2 | hold on |
| 07:23.37 | Kayla2 | i do expert |
| 07:23.39 | darxmurf | hi all |
| 07:24.12 | Equa | Kayla2: when tasksel shows up. just select standard tools. then do apt-get --no-install-recommends xorg lxde-core lightdm pm-utils policykit-1 |
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| 07:25.00 | Kayla2 | should i do |
| 07:25.06 | Kayla2 | expert install or |
| 07:25.10 | Kayla2 | graphical expert install |
| 07:25.14 | Kayla2 | or doesnt make difference |
| 07:25.21 | Equa | Kayla2: graphical only gives you the mouse. not even required |
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| 07:27.32 | Kayla2 | for the configure locales |
| 07:27.37 | Kayla2 | do i choose en_us |
| 07:27.38 | Kayla2 | or |
| 07:27.55 | Kayla2 | aa_dj.UTF8 |
| 07:28.01 | Equa | Kayla2: default is en_US-UTF-8 |
| 07:28.04 | Kayla2 | utf8 was standard |
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| 07:28.11 | Equa | Kayla2: those are just extra locales... if u need extras |
| 07:28.13 | Jamshut | Hello 2 all. |
| 07:28.14 | Jamshut | Can u help me? i restart my pc, and audio broken. Now i got olny dummy output. How i can repair this? |
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| 07:28.39 | Equa | Jamshut: open a terminal and do cat /proc/asound/cards |
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| 07:28.59 | Equa | Jamshut: use paste.debian.net and paste output there |
| 07:29.43 | Kayla2 | im assuming en_us |
| 07:29.48 | Kayla2 | means english united states |
| 07:29.52 | Kayla2 | but is only two of them |
| 07:30.04 | Kayla2 | en_us.iso 8859-15 and en_us |
| 07:30.27 | Equa | Kayla2: you dont' need the others... those are just extra. install only if you need it |
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| 07:30.50 | Kayla2 | so it doesnt matter which one i pick? |
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| 07:31.09 | Equa | Jamshut: msg me here |
| 07:31.15 | Equa | no need for /query |
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| 07:31.25 | Equa | Jamshut: one sec. gotta do something real quick. |
| 07:31.29 | Kayla2 | i just didnt pick any |
| 07:31.49 | Jamshut | ok http://paste.debian.net/265239/ |
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| 07:33.41 | Jamshut | http://paste.debian.net/265240/ but lspci show 2 devices |
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| 07:34.47 | Equa | Jamshut: it was working before? |
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| 07:36.00 | Jamshut | yes, and i don't know what happend |
| 07:36.43 | Equa | Jamshut: this happened after a reboot? |
| 07:36.44 | Kayla2 | i didnt like expert mode |
| 07:36.55 | Kayla2 | couldnt tell what anythign did and what was important |
| 07:37.01 | Equa | Kayla2: it asked too many questions right? |
| 07:37.11 | Equa | Kayla2: just keep going... it will ask if you want to add non-free contrib |
| 07:37.20 | Equa | Kayla2: save you time from adding it manually later |
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| 07:37.41 | Kayla2 | i just wanted to add umm |
| 07:37.49 | Kayla2 | base componenets like wifi ect |
| 07:37.52 | Kayla2 | hardware |
| 07:38.01 | Kayla2 | but didnt want any bulk |
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| 07:38.23 | Jamshut | it's happend after power outage |
| 07:38.25 | Equa | Kayla2: it will. just keep going. when you get tasksel, unchk desktop and printer server |
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| 07:39.10 | Equa | Jamshut: i think your modprobe loaded the nvidia auto first so it's not playing sound from there. your default sound card is the intel right? |
| 07:39.27 | Jamshut | absolutly |
| 07:40.05 | Kayla2 | is say |
| 07:40.09 | Kayla2 | mirror to install from |
| 07:40.11 | Kayla2 | menu item |
| 07:40.21 | Kayla2 | if i had another computer id just look this up but im sol |
| 07:40.31 | Equa | Kayla2: choose the default... |
| 07:40.43 | Equa | Kayla2: it's ftp.us.debian.org |
| 07:41.04 | Kayla2 | i thought thats the repo |
| 07:41.19 | Equa | Kayla2: that's what you are adding atm |
| 07:41.28 | Equa | Jamshut: could you give me the output of lsmod |
| 07:41.51 | Kayla2 | but they dont install in my system unless i give them permission to right? |
| 07:41.58 | Kayla2 | like dont come compressed? |
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| 07:42.12 | Jamshut | http://paste.debian.net/265252/ here it is |
| 07:42.19 | Equa | Kayla2: your other install just did it for you. it's just a repository. it only update when you do it |
| 07:42.43 | Kayla2 | ooh |
| 07:42.50 | Kayla2 | so it cant install software without me letting it |
| 07:42.58 | Kayla2 | and its software is all in some server |
| 07:43.01 | Kayla2 | not my harddrive |
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| 07:43.23 | Equa | Kayla2: you are adding the repository. no installation yet |
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| 07:44.02 | Kayla2 | is repository local or distant? |
| 07:44.35 | Kayla2 | i always thought repo was distant because it said ftp |
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| 07:45.36 | Kayla2 | so conufsed ... :/ |
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| 07:45.49 | Equa | Kayla2: choose http, then ftp.us.debian.org |
| 07:45.57 | Equa | Jamshut: still looking for your intel sound driver |
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| 07:46.13 | Kayla2 | so if i choose ftp then all the repo will be on debs server? |
| 07:46.16 | Kayla2 | not my hard drive? |
| 07:46.25 | Equa | Kayla2: either way it will not be local. |
| 07:46.27 | Kayla2 | unless i download and install |
| 07:46.29 | Kayla2 | oh phiew |
| 07:46.33 | Equa | Kayla2: that's just the destinatlation for the package |
| 07:46.41 | Equa | Kayla2: *source |
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| 07:47.52 | Kayla2 | sorry am not very tech savy |
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| 07:51.12 | Equa | Jamshut: do you have a file alsa-base.conf in /etc/modprobe.d? |
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| 07:52.18 | Jamshut | yes, http://paste.debian.net/265255/ |
| 07:52.41 | Jamshut | i write myself last row, but it doesn't help |
| 07:53.03 | Equa | Jamshut: you did good. just need one more line to make it load before the nvidia |
| 07:53.24 | Equa | Jamshut: add options snd-hda-intel index=0 |
| 07:54.23 | Kayla2 | this is best tech irc |
| 07:55.08 | Equa | Jamshut: save and reboot and see if modprobe took the settings |
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| 07:55.35 | Jamshut | http://paste.debian.net/265256/ like this? |
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| 07:56.23 | Equa | Jamshut: yeah but bring lines 24 and 25 up to 14/15 instead |
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| 07:58.10 | Jamshut | http://paste.debian.net/265257/ ? |
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| 07:58.37 | Equa | Jamshut: yes. should do the trick. |
| 07:59.06 | Kayla2 | do you guys using seperate home var a tmp partitions |
| 07:59.13 | Kayla2 | prefer |
| 07:59.19 | Jamshut | ty! try reboot. and how i can write to u in public chat? |
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| 07:59.55 | Equa | Kayla2: all in one place is more simple. it really depends on your needs |
| 08:00.11 | Kayla2 | what type of person uses all 3 |
| 08:00.59 | Equa | Kayla2: a few of my installations i separated /, /boot, /home, /usr, /var, and /opt and so on |
| 08:01.53 | Equa | Kayla2: u will get home var and tmp even if it's not separated |
| 08:02.17 | Kayla2 | i just used home because i didnt know what var and tmp did |
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| 08:03.22 | Equa | Kayla2: part of the linux directories. https://www.linux.com/ reading material if you want to learn more |
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| 08:09.56 | Jamshut | Hi Equa, it doesn't help=( My audio still broken=( |
| 08:10.39 | Equa | Jamshut: ok. let's edit that file again. remove your options sndd-hda-inte model=generatic |
| 08:11.09 | Equa | Jamshut: then change line 16 to options snd-intel8x0m index=0 |
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| 08:12.15 | Kayla2 | is wicd inclusive in standard system utilities? |
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| 08:12.25 | Equa | Kayla2: no |
| 08:12.42 | Kayla2 | so what is? |
| 08:12.59 | Jamshut | http://paste.debian.net/265272/ ? |
| 08:13.04 | Equa | Kayla2: utils to help you do stuff. you can read more about it in the debian website on that |
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| 08:13.36 | Equa | Jamshut: yes. |
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| 08:14.12 | themill | dpkg: tell Kayla2 about standard task |
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| 08:16.34 | neglesaks | ? I'm trying to do a diff on a ext volume vs some text/rtf files on a FAT device. the same files on the ext device comapred with no differences at all, while the ext vs fat throws most of the documents as being different , displayed in the output. Any familiarity with this? |
| 08:16.41 | Jamshut | Equa, same =( |
| 08:17.34 | Equa | Jamshut: can you tell me the audio device again? |
| 08:17.40 | Jamshut | I got PulseAudio configured for per-user sessions Warning when debian starting |
| 08:17.57 | Equa | Jamshut: oh so you use pulse audio instead of alsa |
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| 08:18.26 | Jamshut | http://paste.debian.net/265284/ |
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| 08:18.50 | Equa | Jamshut: open pulse audio volume control |
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| 08:19.03 | Equa | Jamshut: what devices are showing there? |
| 08:19.20 | Jamshut | i got installed alsa and pulseaudion and i don't understand which using=| |
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| 08:19.54 | Equa | Jamshut: it's fine. just open pulse audio control from the menu |
| 08:19.56 | Jamshut | on Playback devices i got just dummy output |
| 08:20.05 | Equa | go to devices |
| 08:20.08 | petern_ | Usually you use pulse on top of alsa... |
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| 08:21.09 | Equa | Jamshut: give me the output of dmesg |
| 08:21.58 | Jamshut | http://paste.debian.net/265285/ here it is |
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| 08:24.14 | Jamshut | in System Settings-> Multimedia-> Phonon i've got active only dummy output, integrated audion and HDA Nvidia is non-active |
| 08:25.18 | Equa | Jamshut: add options snd-hda-intel model=generic to the config. then options snd-hda-intel-model index=0 |
| 08:26.32 | Jamshut | is alsa-base? |
| 08:26.50 | Equa | Jamshut: alsa-base.conf |
| 08:28.16 | Jamshut | http://paste.debian.net/265286/ like this? |
| 08:28.39 | Equa | Jamshut: yes |
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| 08:33.05 | Jamshut | Equa, still broken=(( and now my Kmix in tray don't show anything= |
| 08:35.58 | Equa | Jamshut: what devices do you have in pulseaudio volume? |
| 08:36.08 | Kayla2 | the command for wlan0 up |
| 08:36.10 | Kayla2 | is |
| 08:36.14 | Kayla2 | a wlan0 up? |
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| 08:36.23 | Equa | Kayla2: ip link set wlan0 up |
| 08:36.31 | Kayla2 | thanks :) |
| 08:36.35 | Jamshut | only dummy output=(( |
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| 08:37.07 | Equa | Kayla2: https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse go down to read teh command line part unless you choose wicd again |
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| 08:38.42 | Equa | Jamshut: what about all the devices. Even the ones that are off |
| 08:39.06 | Kayla2 | thansk :) |
| 08:41.02 | Jamshut | i don't see another devices |
| 08:42.10 | Equa | Jamshut: remove the line 15/16 from alsa-base.conf |
| 08:43.30 | Kayla2 | cannot find device wlan |
| 08:43.37 | Kayla2 | so i have to install iwlwifi again |
| 08:43.50 | Equa | yes, you can't skip steps |
| 08:44.04 | Equa | Kayla2: firmware must be in before it can be loaded :D |
| 08:44.40 | SynrGy | is this after a complete reinstall? or what? |
| 08:44.48 | SynrGy | i didn't catch up on the backlog |
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| 08:45.06 | Equa | SynrGy: we got her/his wifi working. S/he wants a clean install. minimalist install for lxde |
| 08:45.11 | Kayla2 | yes clean install |
| 08:45.17 | SynrGy | k |
| 08:45.23 | Jamshut | http://picpaste.com/snapshot2-XTYqUihQ.png this is my screenshot |
| 08:45.38 | SynrGy | beginning to doubt wicd (but only because of my unfamiliarity with it ... not any specific knowledge it might be the cause) |
| 08:45.38 | themill | (because reformatting immediately after getting it to work is a natural progression :S ) |
| 08:45.42 | Kayla2 | nano /apt/.../sources.list |
| 08:46.03 | SynrGy | oh, got it working? uh |
| 08:46.07 | Equa | themill: she's trying to remember the process by repetition :D |
| 08:46.28 | themill | I bags we don't have to go through it all again line-by-line then⦠|
| 08:46.31 | SynrGy | planning on doing this much? |
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| 08:46.49 | SynrGy | so summarize ... how did you get it working? |
| 08:46.51 | Equa | Jamshut: have you removed line 15 and 16 on your alsa-base conf? |
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| 08:46.56 | Equa | SynrGy: yes we got it working |
| 08:47.13 | Kayla2 | ok i got the file |
| 08:47.16 | Equa | SynrGy: sorry misread that. I asked to change into root and bring up the wlan0 |
| 08:47.49 | Equa | SynrGy: also added her to the netdev group |
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| 08:48.02 | Jamshut | at this moment my alsa-base.conf http://paste.debian.net/265300/ |
| 08:48.10 | SynrGy | netdev? wicd still needs that? |
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| 08:48.36 | Equa | SynrGy: yes ;/ |
| 08:48.55 | Equa | Jamshut: remove line 15 and 16 please. |
| 08:49.03 | SynrGy | and the user isn't set up in netdev from the start by the install? |
| 08:49.21 | Equa | SynrGy: It's Kayla2, she probably did some funky setup / install |
| 08:49.34 | Jamshut | i removed that line, should i reboot? |
| 08:49.39 | Equa | Jamshut: not yet |
| 08:49.41 | SynrGy | so this is a clean install with d-i and we won't have this issue again, right? |
| 08:49.57 | SynrGy | (in theory ;) |
| 08:50.00 | Jamshut | http://paste.debian.net/265301/ |
| 08:50.00 | Equa | SynrGy: should go smoother. I'll just ask her to change to root and do all commands |
| 08:50.07 | SynrGy | i just want to know what we learned from all of this is all |
| 08:50.10 | Equa | SynrGy: no more switching and opening up a bunch of terminals |
| 08:50.27 | SynrGy | because if it's "lxde screwed up in choosing wicd as the new default", that's significant |
| 08:50.36 | Equa | Jamshut: ok now open a terminal and do apt-get remove --purge alsa-base |
| 08:50.53 | SynrGy | but if it's "don't randomly flail around to try to solve things", then i'll just ignore the rest of this session :) |
| 08:50.54 | Equa | SynrGy: it's not. wicd works fine |
| 08:50.55 | themill | lxde Recommends wicd | network-manager-gnome |
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| 08:51.46 | Jamshut | done! |
| 08:51.52 | SynrGy | themill: yes. i learned this yesterday. :p |
| 08:51.57 | cast | what's the debian way of managing network namespaces? i could go the ol rc.local long string of ip netns commands, but in light of /etc/network/interfaces that seems a bit hacky |
| 08:52.00 | Equa | Jamshut: apt-get remove --purse pulseaudio |
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| 08:52.13 | SynrGy | themill: but so long as that "just works", there's no problem here. |
| 08:52.26 | Equa | Jamshut: apt-get remove --purge pulseaudio |
| 08:52.29 | Equa | not purse |
| 08:52.31 | themill | SynrGy: I suspect it does just work up to the point of needing firmware |
| 08:52.42 | SynrGy | naturally |
| 08:52.43 | Kayla2 | ok so i changed the nano |
| 08:52.46 | Kayla2 | now i do... |
| 08:52.49 | Kayla2 | mmmm |
| 08:52.57 | Kayla2 | do i install the firmware first or update |
| 08:52.58 | Equa | Kayla2: apt-get update to update the database |
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| 08:53.06 | Equa | Kayla2: then apt-get install yourfirmware |
| 08:53.37 | Jamshut | i can't remove, it's brok glib-networking and network-manager |
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| 08:53.39 | Kayla2 | is firmware-iwlwifi or iwlwifi-firmware |
| 08:53.39 | Jamshut | broke* |
| 08:53.50 | themill | Kayla2: apt-cache search iwlwifi |
| 08:53.57 | Equa | Jamshut: just do it. we're gonna add it back |
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| 08:54.58 | Kayla2 | yay |
| 08:55.07 | Jamshut | http://paste.debian.net/265304/ i got error with broken package |
| 08:55.08 | Kayla2 | im da mastah |
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| 08:55.38 | Jamshut | damaged packages* |
| 08:55.45 | Equa | Jamshut: yikes, i can't read that |
| 08:56.02 | Jamshut | http://paste.debian.net/265305/ |
| 08:56.11 | Kayla2 | ok do i restart? |
| 08:56.15 | Jamshut | but it is with google translate) |
| 08:56.25 | themill | !localised errors |
| 08:56.26 | dpkg | Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. «LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install» |
| 08:57.31 | themill | Jamshut: which release of Debian is this supposed to be? |
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| 08:58.13 | Kayla2 | all done |
| 08:58.13 | Kayla2 | <3 |
| 08:58.21 | Jamshut | i got this in debian 7.8 but today i update to 8.1 |
| 08:58.22 | Kayla2 | VOILAAAA |
| 08:59.13 | themill | Jamshut: it doesn't look like you actually completed that upgrade |
| 09:00.12 | Kayla2 | is g++ already in deb |
| 09:00.30 | themill | !wayttd Kayla2 |
| 09:00.30 | Equa | Kayla2: not by default |
| 09:00.30 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Kayla2? |
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| 09:00.46 | Jamshut | i change repository and use apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 09:00.51 | Kayla2 | write c |
| 09:01.04 | Equa | Kayla2: you only need gcc for c. g++ is c++ |
| 09:01.08 | themill | Jamshut: so you also need to apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 09:01.30 | Equa | Jamshut: finish the upgrade and i'll walk you thru the step for your sound card |
| 09:01.36 | Kayla2 | whats dist upgrade |
| 09:01.44 | Jamshut | oh ok i'll make this |
| 09:01.46 | Kayla2 | oh you wernt talkin to me sorry |
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| 09:02.52 | Kayla2 | what c ide do you guys use |
| 09:03.04 | knivsta | hi |
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| 09:03.16 | Equa | Kayla2: search google. i just use my good ol text editor |
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| 09:05.41 | Kayla2 | is vim a ok one? |
| 09:05.43 | Kayla2 | it looks scary |
| 09:05.54 | SynrGy | i use vim as my ide, yes. |
| 09:05.56 | jelly | Kayla2: eclipse? geany? vim is a great editor, and takes some getting used to |
| 09:06.12 | SynrGy | start with 'vimtutor' |
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| 09:06.54 | jelly | http://vim-adventures.com/ |
| 09:06.57 | jelly | hides |
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| 09:11.05 | kbr | hi. I have some trouble setting up my amd64 jessie machine for armhf cross compilation. binutils conflicts with binutils:armhf. how should this work? |
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| 09:11.50 | Kayla2 | whats best irc |
| 09:12.06 | Kayla2 | well retro looking like vim |
| 09:12.43 | sonOfRa | For console based IRC, probably irssi. |
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| 09:15.38 | SynrGy | Kayla2: while i favour irssi, many people like weechat |
| 09:16.19 | SynrGy | i've been using quassel for a while and bounce between that and irssi |
| 09:16.44 | SynrGy | quasselcore on my server, quasseldroid on my android devices, quasselclient on the workstations |
| 09:16.52 | sonOfRa | personally, I prefer my IRCing on a desktop client, I use hexchat with ZNC on my friend's server |
| 09:17.03 | SynrGy | and there's that. |
| 09:17.11 | Psy-Q | znc is the shit :D |
| 09:17.16 | Equa | Kayla2: look what you did!!! best is opinionated... |
| 09:17.28 | Kayla2 | sorry :( |
| 09:17.29 | SynrGy | Kayla2: it's not a bad place to start. those four. |
| 09:17.40 | SynrGy | try them all. make up your own mind |
| 09:17.48 | Kayla2 | i like irssi |
| 09:18.05 | polyphagia | weechat here |
| 09:18.13 | polyphagia | although no qualms with irssi |
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| 09:18.41 | Kayla2 | i just like because its transparent lol |
| 09:18.42 | SynrGy | i've gone through a progression of ircii -> epic -> bitchx -> irssi -> quassel since 1994-ish |
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| 09:19.09 | SynrGy | it's always nice to check out the alternatives for anything you spend a non-trivial amount of time using |
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| 09:25.36 | Psy-Q | znc and irssi and atomic and konversation |
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| 09:25.37 | Psy-Q | wheeee |
| 09:27.47 | Kayla2 | well i got irssi |
| 09:27.51 | Kayla2 | but no idea how to use it.. |
| 09:27.52 | Kayla2 | ugh |
| 09:28.34 | Equa | Kayla2: first time you use it. it tells you to read the beginner's doc |
| 09:29.09 | Kayla2 | i just osmosify information as i go through life |
| 09:29.26 | Kayla2 | im blind 0.0 |
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| 09:31.43 | Kayla2 | brb guys i have to read how to use this |
| 09:31.47 | Kayla2 | ttyl |
| 09:31.51 | Kayla2 | and thanks for all helps |
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| 09:37.27 | bijan_ | Hi I wanted to start clean with fail2ban and deleted /etc/fail2ban |
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| 09:37.44 | bijan_ | now the config file is missing when I reinstall using apt-get install fail2ban |
| 09:37.48 | bijan_ | no jail.conf |
| 09:37.50 | bijan_ | :D |
| 09:38.13 | themill | dpkg: tell bijan_ about confmiss |
| 09:38.17 | bijan_ | Is there a trick to make the system reinstall the /etc/fail2ban folder ? |
| 09:39.30 | bijan_ | themill: wow thx |
| 09:39.34 | bijan_ | didn't know that |
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| 09:40.25 | rozie | or just purge and install package |
| 09:40.49 | Equa | dpkg: tell Equa about confmiss |
| 09:41.08 | bijan_ | "sudo aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall fail2ban" did not bring the configs back |
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| 09:41.58 | petn-randall | bijan_: Did you get an error? |
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| 09:42.13 | bijan_ | petn-randall: nope |
| 09:42.28 | bijan_ | ah wait |
| 09:42.30 | bijan_ | stupid me |
| 09:42.30 | bijan_ | fail2ban is not currently installed, so it will not be reinstalled |
| 09:42.32 | bijan_ | lol |
| 09:42.47 | petn-randall | Good we actually checked the output. :) |
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| 09:43.29 | bijan_ | great ! it worked! |
| 09:43.31 | bijan_ | thank you all |
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| 09:49.22 | gerforce | hello, i have a problem with video card driver on jessie. I installed nvidia-driver for gaming. But after i finisted the installation and reboot. It can not boot into GUI. |
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| 09:50.11 | gerforce | /s/finisted/finished |
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| 09:53.15 | Equa | gerforce: what's the output of lspci | grep VGA? |
| 09:53.18 | Kayla | hello debian its me again |
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| 09:53.37 | Kayla | im trying to get irssi to work but can't seem to join this channel |
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| 09:53.50 | Equa | gerforce: use paste.debian.net |
| 09:54.04 | Equa | Kayla: have you setup the network/channel/server? |
| 09:54.56 | gerforce | Equa: i couldn't using GUI. How can i suppose to using paste.debian.net? |
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| 09:55.25 | gerforce | Equa: i only have one laptop by the way. |
| 09:55.26 | Equa | gerforce: it's one line. not too bad. paste it here |
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| 09:58.12 | gerforce | Equa: the command grep has failed |
| 09:59.03 | Equa | gerforce: just do lcpci and copy only that line with the VGA |
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| 09:59.26 | Equa | !paste |
| 09:59.26 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
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| 10:01.17 | Kayla | voila |
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| 10:01.35 | Kayla | is this working? |
| 10:01.41 | gerforce | here is the thing : VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09) |
| 10:02.04 | mquin | welcome back Kayla |
| 10:02.08 | Equa | gerforce: do you have one for the nvidia? |
| 10:02.19 | Kayla | thanks :) |
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| 10:04.05 | gerforce | Equa: VGA compatible controller: Nvidia corporation GF119M [Geforce 610M] (rev a1) |
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| 10:05.17 | Equa | gerforce: do you have non-free in your soures.list? |
| 10:05.26 | gerforce | Equa: yes |
| 10:05.29 | Equa | gerforce: *sources.list |
| 10:05.47 | Equa | gerforce: do apt-get update |
| 10:06.14 | Equa | gerforce: then apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 10:06.42 | gerforce | Equa: working on it |
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| 10:06.58 | Equa | gerforce: let me know when it's done |
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| 10:12.13 | Kayla | how long did it take you guys to learn vim? |
| 10:12.14 | gerforce | Equa: something wrong happend. error message: commandline option 'r' [from -r] is not known. |
| 10:12.59 | Equa | gerforce: do uname -a and paste the output |
| 10:14.51 | themill | gerforce: it would help to pastebin the command and the entire output |
| 10:15.03 | Equa | themill: no gui |
| 10:15.11 | themill | !pastebinit |
| 10:15.11 | dpkg | pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" users, you must "pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net" or configure pastebinit to use something other than pastebin.com. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>. |
| 10:15.16 | Equa | themill: i can ask him to install those two programs |
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| 10:15.46 | Equa | themill: just need his uname -a output then in can change the apt-get for him |
| 10:15.55 | gerforce | Equa: Linux Debian 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt11-1 (2015-05-24) x86_64 GNU/LINUX |
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| 10:16.31 | petn-randall | Kayla: Vague question, since the most important functionality is learned in 10 minutes. To master it? Never did. |
| 10:16.31 | themill | sure, but the fidelity of copying needs to increase too, I'd guess |
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| 10:16.53 | gerforce | themill: never use pastebin on cml tools. i will look into it later |
| 10:17.03 | Equa | gerforce: apt-get install linux-headers-3.16.0-4-amd64 nvidia-kernel-dkms |
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| 10:17.33 | Kayla | dpkg isnt working |
| 10:17.33 | dpkg | Kayla: are you using Windows? |
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| 10:17.48 | Kayla | im using deb |
| 10:18.06 | petn-randall | !doesn't work |
| 10:18.06 | dpkg | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
| 10:18.50 | gerforce | Equa: installed successfully. |
| 10:18.51 | Kayla | errors were encountered while processing |
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| 10:19.03 | Kayla | how non vague can i be when it is uncompressing a file |
| 10:19.11 | Equa | gerforce: do you want to configure xorg manually or a tool from nvidia? |
| 10:19.32 | gerforce | Equa: using nvidia-xconfig? |
| 10:19.38 | Equa | gerforce: yes |
| 10:19.46 | Equa | gerforce: install that and just run it as root |
| 10:19.47 | themill | Kayla: you have a command and it has output. Sticking the entire lot in a pastebin helps us help you. (and that's a lot less vague than just "dpkg isn't working") |
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| 10:20.35 | gerforce | Equa: i have done that before this problem happened |
| 10:20.51 | Equa | gerforce: yes but you didn't install the driver. i'm helping you now. please follow the instruction |
| 10:21.06 | gerforce | Equa: ok. i have done that now |
| 10:21.14 | Equa | gerforce: reboot and it should take effect |
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| 10:21.34 | gerforce | Equa: all right. see you on GUI :) |
| 10:21.41 | Equa | gerforce: good luck |
| 10:21.59 | f31n | hi, there is the idea to store all the configs of the server you maintain on git so you can easily reconfigure the new server like the old if the old one breaks down - now my question is there a reason to not store the public key of .ssh/authorized_keys? |
| 10:22.21 | Kayla | paste.debian.net/265330 |
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| 10:23.08 | themill | Kayla: read lines 6 to 10 (you really need to read the output of commands) |
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| 10:23.40 | Kayla | ... |
| 10:23.42 | themill | and you'll see that dpkg did exactly what it was supposed to -- it's working perfectly. |
| 10:23.42 | Kayla | sorry |
| 10:24.05 | themill | "apt-get -f install" should sort it out |
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| 10:24.52 | Kayla | btw, do you know if chrome has a built in flash player? |
| 10:24.54 | Kayla | i need for work |
| 10:25.03 | gerforce | Equa: not my lucky day |
| 10:25.04 | Equa | f31n: not that i can think of. it shoudl be fine to place it there |
| 10:25.22 | themill | Kayla: chrome does, yes. (and the chromium package in debian can use it too) |
| 10:25.40 | gerforce | Equa: only a cursor blinks |
| 10:25.44 | f31n | Equa: thanks, thats great |
| 10:25.48 | Equa | gerforce: now i need to see logs and so on. you need to look into the commandline paste option |
| 10:25.59 | Kayla | chrome actually installed without the missing |
| 10:26.09 | bumbar_ | i have a server running debian and no iptables rules, but can't telnet to a specific port - what else could be blocking? |
| 10:26.14 | gerforce | !pastebin |
| 10:26.14 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 10:26.29 | gerforce | !pastebinit |
| 10:26.29 | dpkg | pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" users, you must "pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net" or configure pastebinit to use something other than pastebin.com. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>. |
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| 10:29.23 | Equa | bumbar_: are you trying to telnet someone outside the network? |
| 10:30.07 | bumbar_ | yes. i can telnet to port 80, ssh and https work fine |
| 10:30.36 | Equa | bumbar_: do netstat napt | grep yourport |
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| 10:31.37 | bumbar_ | right. might have to listen on all interfaces not only localhost on the receiving end. thanks Equa :P |
| 10:31.54 | Equa | bumbar_: no problem. grats |
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| 10:36.53 | gerforce | Equa: it seems a little complicated about using pastebinit. And i should go out to run some errands. |
| 10:37.01 | Equa | !paste |
| 10:37.02 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>. |
| 10:37.17 | Equa | gerforce: you can try nopaste or wgetpaste |
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| 10:37.49 | Equa | gerforce: take a look at your dmesg output. see what's not loading up right for your driver or any errors |
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| 10:39.59 | gerforce | Equa: thanks. i have to go now. i will check it later. see you then. |
| 10:40.08 | Equa | gerforce: the other way is to undo the installation of nvidia and the previous steps you have installed. that way you can boot into your gui and i can help with the driver installation again |
| 10:40.09 | Kayla | ok last question before i call it a night |
| 10:40.19 | Kayla | my laptop has an internal battery and external |
| 10:40.35 | Kayla | i dont believe lxde has support for that |
| 10:40.38 | Kayla | any workarounds? |
| 10:40.51 | gerforce | Equa: ok. i will let you know when i have done that. It is so kind of you. |
| 10:41.08 | Equa | gerforce: see ya |
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| 10:42.10 | gerforce | Equa: see ya |
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| 10:43.19 | Equa | Kayla: have you added the battery applet to your taskbar? |
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| 10:45.21 | Kayla | where is the battery applet |
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| 10:45.59 | Equa | Kayla: right click the panel. add-remove. click add and look for battery |
| 10:47.22 | Kayla | will they balance both batterys or? |
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| 10:47.42 | Equa | Kayla: test it. take one out and see |
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| 10:48.42 | Kayla | only does internal battery |
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| 10:50.17 | r6ku | Kayla: did you get your wifi working? |
| 10:50.35 | Kayla | yes thanks to you guys i got my wifi working |
| 10:50.44 | at0m|c | r6ku: there was cake for everyone |
| 10:50.44 | r6ku | that's awesome :) |
| 10:50.45 | Equa | Kayla: http://www.upubuntu.com/2012/12/how-to-monitor-your-laptops-battery.html i dont' know if it will see the external either |
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| 10:53.13 | Equa | at0m|c: lol thanks for the cake |
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| 10:57.00 | uVis | Kayla: Is it possible to assign which battery it should monitor? |
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| 10:57.10 | jedahan | is there a way to update-alternatives non-interactively? like update-alternatives --config gcc set 2 |
| 10:57.16 | jedahan | if I know it will always be the second option? |
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| 10:58.00 | jedahan | maybe --set ... |
| 10:58.14 | jelly | jedahan: gcc has no alternatives in debian |
| 10:59.02 | at0m|c | jedahan: but man update-alternatives, look for --set: 'non-interactive' |
| 10:59.04 | jelly | but yeah, --config is the interactive option, use --set (see --help or rtfm) |
| 10:59.05 | jedahan | well if i manually added 2 |
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| 11:03.38 | jedahan | cool, that works |
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| 11:04.41 | knivsta | hi |
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| 11:05.04 | jedahan | so now I am one step closer to automated raspberry pi image making for a custom boot-into-fantasy-development-env :) http://github.com/jedahan/raspberry-pico-8 |
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| 11:06.06 | Kayla | hopefully it will use both batteries |
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| 11:07.45 | Haxxa | So I just moved my servers from ubuntu to debian - anyway Hi! |
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| 11:08.39 | Haxxa | So far I like it - feels more refined but it also is annoying as I have had build stuff from source often as packages can be really old in wheezy will move to jessie soon... |
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| 11:09.34 | Kayla | i was considering bsd once i got the hang of linux |
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| 11:10.57 | Haxxa | Kayla, why |
| 11:12.22 | Kayla | because linux is based off unix |
| 11:12.43 | Kayla | also i want to learn kernel hardening eventually and work extensivly with bsd |
| 11:13.12 | uVis | Kayla, I thought you knew... Linux stands for "Linux Is Not UniX" |
| 11:13.14 | uVis | >_> |
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| 11:13.36 | Kayla | linux is derived from unix |
| 11:13.37 | hassoon | GNU is not Unix |
| 11:13.46 | Kayla | gnu is an os |
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| 11:14.06 | hassoon | nah, more like a set of free software/licence, imo |
| 11:14.11 | uVis | Hassoon got it at least :O |
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| 11:14.28 | hassoon | uVis: :p |
| 11:14.37 | marmotski | let's ask Richard Stallman |
| 11:14.58 | marmotski | https://groups.google.com/a/mysociety.org/forum/#!msg/mysociety-community/zkyZpOXjgoQ/_8xyXSxv9zYJ |
| 11:15.04 | hassoon | uVis: http://ftacademy.org/files/materials/fta-m2b-glbasic.pdf |
| 11:15.21 | Kayla | freedom in software means freedom to use |
| 11:15.29 | Kayla | and rights associated with |
| 11:15.32 | Kayla | not gratis |
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| 11:17.24 | hassoon | what's interesting in debian is making it clear what is a free software, and what is not |
| 11:17.34 | hassoon | the package manager |
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| 11:19.11 | mioz | how can i install kate version 5 on debian? are there packages available? |
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| 11:19.30 | bazhang | ,v kate |
| 11:19.31 | judd | Package: kate on amd64 -- squeeze: 4:4.4.5-1; wheezy: 4:4.8.4-1; stretch: 4:4.14.2-2; jessie: 4:4.14.2-2; sid: 4:4.14.2-2; experimental: 4:14.12.3-1 |
| 11:19.47 | Kayla | why dont you like bsd |
| 11:20.01 | slute | time for work |
| 11:20.10 | Kayla | hey slute |
| 11:20.14 | slute | wifi working? |
| 11:20.16 | Kayla | thanks for help earlier |
| 11:20.20 | Kayla | mhm :) |
| 11:20.21 | hassoon | mioz: and what is special about kate version 5 specifically |
| 11:20.27 | slute | that's great news. what fixed it? |
| 11:20.34 | Kayla | i did a fresh install after, so all clean |
| 11:20.49 | slute | that usually works wonders. |
| 11:21.04 | Kayla | once firmware was installed, had to wlan0, then wicid didnt default to wlan0 |
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| 11:21.08 | Kayla | sort of my bad on that |
| 11:21.27 | slute | Kayla: my next mention was gonna be to add "wlan0" to prefs |
| 11:21.36 | mioz | hassoon: i think this feature has been implemented in 5 https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56958 |
| 11:21.42 | themill | mioz: there is no version 5 of kate btw |
| 11:21.44 | Kayla | prefs? |
| 11:21.59 | mioz | themill: is there no kate in kde frameworks 5? |
| 11:22.04 | slute | yeah, in wicd-curses you go to shift+p and add wlan0 above eth0 |
| 11:22.11 | themill | mioz: there is, but it's not version 5 |
| 11:22.13 | Kayla | ooh |
| 11:22.18 | slute | i've gotta go to work before i get consumed here lol. have a good day |
| 11:22.21 | Kayla | so priority |
| 11:22.27 | slute | Kayla: yeah and option |
| 11:22.29 | slute | o/ |
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| 11:22.41 | mioz | themill: what's the latest version? |
| 11:22.42 | Kayla | but thanks again so much |
| 11:23.07 | themill | mioz: 15.04.2 by the looks of things |
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| 11:23.23 | mioz | 15 :o |
| 11:23.35 | mioz | so is there an easy way to upgrade to this using apt-get? |
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| 11:24.22 | Kayla | why did you ask about me doing work with bsd? |
| 11:24.24 | themill | mioz: it's not packaged at all yet |
| 11:24.37 | mioz | themill: even in private repos? |
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| 11:24.55 | mioz | what's the latest i can get on private repos? on which one would you advise? |
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| 11:25.03 | at0m|c | mioz: there is no private repos. there's upstream source at best |
| 11:25.16 | themill | mioz: I advise running Debian stable... |
| 11:25.33 | Kayla | running sid is like running ubuntu |
| 11:25.34 | mioz | ok |
| 11:25.58 | mioz | i'm already running testing/unstable; anyway thanks for the help |
| 11:26.08 | Kayla | lol |
| 11:26.11 | Kayla | mb |
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| 11:28.07 | Kayla | yeah so my dual batterys just show a single bar |
| 11:28.09 | Kayla | .... |
| 11:29.11 | Kayla | and the reason i would do dev on bsd is because its stable |
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| 11:36.24 | bravvve | hi,i have to create scheduled that run remote desktop and execute some java rebot(mouse mouvement,keyboard writing),witch RDP client can run from terminal |
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| 11:46.38 | BluesKaj | Hiyas all |
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| 11:55.59 | aborrero | any hint why upgrading from wheezy to jessie leads to a LVM logical volumen not being detected? (2 detected, 1 undetected) |
| 11:56.53 | Kayla | bc its new |
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| 11:57.59 | aborrero | Kayla: what do you mean? the LV were created in wheezy |
| 11:58.01 | Kayla | i honestly cant think of anything |
| 11:58.35 | Kayla | yeah doesnt make much sense |
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| 12:06.02 | Kayla | bc its newcodeblocks wont install :/ |
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| 12:06.08 | Kayla | oops |
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| 12:06.35 | Kayla | can .xz be installed with dpkg |
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| 12:07.53 | aborrero | Kayla: the codeblocks thing is for my question? |
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| 12:08.25 | Kayla | codeblocks is an ide im trying to install |
| 12:09.03 | DonGeilo | I want a sweet and cute CAT |
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| 12:13.20 | Kayla | think im just gonna install eclipse lol |
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| 12:13.21 | Kayla | i loose |
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| 12:16.24 | Teduardo | Does anyone here install Debian 8 using kickstart? |
| 12:16.52 | Teduardo | I can't figure out why it always asks me to select a keymap and why it always asks me whether i want to remove existing logical volume data |
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| 12:19.39 | Psy-Q | hm, lots of spam on mozilla maintainers list |
| 12:19.42 | Psy-Q | wonder if any humans read it |
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| 12:32.28 | Kayla | how do i extract this .xz |
| 12:32.35 | Kayla | or install it |
| 12:33.15 | fireba11 | question: has the debian package for psotgresql set reasonable maintenance tasks out of the box or do i need to add those myself? |
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| 12:37.33 | detergnet | Kayla: extract with "tar xf file.xz" if it complains, install xz-utils |
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| 12:40.40 | petn-randall | fireba11: Define what you mean with 'reasonable maintenance tasks'. |
| 12:41.15 | Minty_64 | anyone use epsxe? know where I can find a how to to get it running? |
| 12:42.31 | petn-randall | Minty_64: Debian has other Playstation emulators packaged, you could try those. |
| 12:42.35 | r6ku | Minty_64: no epsxe is terrible, use retroarch or mednafen instead |
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| 12:47.11 | Minty_64 | thanks ill check them out |
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| 12:51.14 | l3archos | how can I look into the manual of "if" ? I tried "man if" but that doesn't work, I supposte because "if" a shell builtin command? |
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| 12:51.39 | themill | help if |
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| 12:52.45 | Minty_64 | shouldn't i have fdisk in jessie? |
| 12:52.56 | WangDang_ | themill: son-of-a-gun, that works! I've always looked it up in the bash man page which is a pain. Thanks for the pointer! |
| 12:53.14 | themill | (also, man bash; man dash; and strictly "if" is a shell keyword not a built-in) |
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| 12:53.39 | Kayla | can someone help me install two packages |
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| 12:54.28 | Brigo | Kayla, install what packages? |
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| 12:54.53 | Kayla | codeblocks and vscode |
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| 12:54.55 | l3archos | themill: but "help if" only outputs some very basic short description. How can I check what options "if" has (-x, -z, and all the comprehensive stuff of this command for checking and processing conditions) ? |
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| 12:55.26 | themill | l3archos: those are not options for "if" but options for [ (so help [) |
| 12:55.55 | Brigo | Kayla, you can install codeblokcs with apt-get install codeblocks, i cannot find vscode. |
| 12:55.57 | themill | and 'help test' as 'help [' suggests |
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| 12:56.17 | Kayla | i downloaded vscode |
| 12:56.18 | themill | codeblocks is in jessie-backports not jessie btw |
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| 12:56.27 | l3archos | themill: oh I see. Well "man [" is what I was looking for. Thank you |
| 12:57.09 | themill | l3archos: be careful though, man [ refers to /usr/bin/[ and help [ refers to the shell builtin which is slightly different. |
| 12:57.22 | Brigo | Kayla, then you can try to install it with dpkg -i <package.deb>, but packages from outside debian are not supported here. |
| 12:57.50 | l3archos | themill: but "help [" only give me 4 lines of explanation :( |
| 12:57.56 | Kayla | codeblocks is deb stable |
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| 12:58.12 | Brigo | ,v codeblocks |
| 12:58.12 | l3archos | whereas "man [" is containing the information I looked for |
| 12:58.13 | judd | Package: codeblocks on amd64 -- wheezy: 10.05-2.1; jessie-backports: 13.12-3.1~bpo8+1; stretch: 13.12-3.1; sid: 13.12-3.1 |
| 12:58.14 | themill | l3archos: which is why I suggested "help test" |
| 12:58.30 | themill | «This is a synonym for the "test" builtin» |
| 12:58.32 | l3archos | themill: ok |
| 12:58.33 | Brigo | Kayla, it isn't in jessie. |
| 12:58.34 | l3archos | thanks a lot |
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| 12:59.10 | Kayla | so i cant install something if i alreay have a package downloaded from deb 7 |
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| 12:59.24 | themill | l3archos: and just be a little careful about whether you're using #!/bin/sh or #!/bin/bash for your scripts. They aren't the same. |
| 12:59.50 | l3archos | themill: sure, sh for POSIX or bash for more flexibility :p |
| 12:59.50 | Brigo | Kayla, if your are using debian 8, you should not |
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| 13:01.03 | Brigo | Kayla, it could not work, it is inteded for debian 7, not debian 8, it depende in diferent libraries versions. though you can use backports. |
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| 13:01.20 | themill | dpkg: tell Kayla about jessie-backports |
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| 13:10.41 | Kayla | will eclipse work for 8? |
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| 13:14.26 | Behruz | after upgrading i can't disconnect my wifi connection,i think due the keyring. |
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| 13:15.11 | Behruz | and blender doesn't run and says :Gen6+ requires Kernel 3.6 or later. |
| 13:15.15 | gerforce | Equa: hi |
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| 13:16.51 | Behruz | And when my system starts it won't take me to the kdm and i must login as root and type it |
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| 13:20.15 | Minty_64 | is there a way that i can access my secondary drive without having to be root? kind new to debian. |
| 13:20.25 | freeaks | someone would have an idea, using sed, how to remove a newline but only after a comma is found in a text file ? |
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| 13:22.07 | Kayla | can someone please help me install an idea |
| 13:22.11 | Kayla | ide |
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| 13:22.19 | fireba11 | petn-randall: like vacuum and re-indexing. (NOT backup) |
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| 13:22.31 | Kayla | ive been trying forever very tired |
| 13:23.21 | themill | Kayla: people aren't going to help you install "an ide" but they can help you install a particular package. You were asking about codeblocks earlier -- do you want to install that? |
| 13:24.39 | planetmaker | Kayla, sudo apt-get install kdevelop |
| 13:24.49 | planetmaker | that's an ide - for instance |
| 13:24.52 | SynrG | Minty_64: what's on that second drive? data? another OS? |
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| 13:25.05 | Minty_64 | just data SynrG |
| 13:25.12 | Equa | gerforce: hello |
| 13:25.13 | SynrG | Minty_64: which filesystem, then? |
| 13:25.22 | Minty_64 | ext4? |
| 13:25.23 | Kayla | is k develop c? |
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| 13:25.30 | Kayla | as long as its c i dont care |
| 13:25.41 | SynrG | Minty_64: you just need to create a mountpoint for it and add a line in /etc/fstab to mount it, then. |
| 13:25.56 | gerforce | Equa: i can paste to paste.debian.com now |
| 13:26.21 | Equa | gerforce: nice. |
| 13:26.21 | SynrG | Minty_64: if you've already done that and need to be root to access it, you need to change permissions/ownership on the directory tree or trees you want to grant access to |
| 13:26.26 | themill | Kayla: you can use kdevelop for coding in C, yes. (Assuming that's what you mean by "is k develop c") |
| 13:26.44 | Equa | gerforce: are you using it with x now ? |
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| 13:27.02 | gerforce | Equa: cml |
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| 13:27.22 | Equa | gerforce: let me get the output of dmesg |
| 13:27.53 | gerforce | Equa: http://paste.debian.net/265587/ |
| 13:28.06 | SynrG | Minty_64: for example, if it's media files that belong to one user, as root, chown -R user:user path-to-media-files |
| 13:28.20 | SynrG | where 'user:user' is your user and group |
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| 13:29.08 | Behruz | when my system starts it won't take me to the kdm and i must login as root and type it kdm.what can i do ? |
| 13:29.14 | SynrG | Minty_64: if more than one user is supposed to be able to access it, use a Unix group and set the permissions & group appropriately. |
| 13:29.25 | SynrG | and group membership |
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| 13:34.44 | Equa | gerforce: your machine was fine until you installed nvidia driver? |
| 13:34.55 | gerforce | Equa: yes |
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| 13:38.20 | Equa | gerforce: what's in your nvidia.conf in /etc/X11 or any other config for xorg |
| 13:40.08 | Minty_64 | thanks SynrG |
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| 13:41.13 | gerforce | Equa: /etc/X11/xorg.conf : http://paste.debian.net/265693/ |
| 13:42.24 | Equa | gerforce: run dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config |
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| 13:43.10 | Equa | gerforce: choose native, automatic, and no |
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| 13:43.43 | gerforce | Equa: done |
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| 13:43.56 | Equa | gerforce: run dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig |
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| 13:44.28 | Kayla | can someone help me get gcc working and an ide so i can compile |
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| 13:44.44 | Minty_64 | so yeah, where is fdisk? is it used anymore? |
| 13:44.46 | Equa | Kayla: you just need gcc then you can compile your program without an ide |
| 13:44.47 | gerforce | Equa: finished |
| 13:44.57 | Equa | gerforce: run startx |
| 13:45.13 | Kayla | i keep trying to put gcc on and get frustrated |
| 13:45.29 | Equa | Kayla: you installed it ? |
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| 13:46.49 | Equa | Kayla: do gcc -v |
| 13:47.04 | gerforce | Equa: Fatal server error. no screens found |
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| 13:47.33 | themill | dpkg: tell Kayla about doesn't work |
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| 13:48.55 | Kayla | command not found |
| 13:49.00 | Kayla | i dont have gcc |
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| 13:49.25 | Kayla | and when i try to install it says something about google chrome |
| 13:49.45 | Equa | Kayla: install it |
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| 13:49.52 | Equa | gerforce: can you give me the xorg log |
| 13:50.15 | BluesKaj | is there a metapackage for nvidia drivers for jessie, nouveau works ok , but there's no 3.1 OpenGL option |
| 13:50.25 | gerforce | Equa: how can i get that? |
| 13:50.29 | jelly | dpkg, tell BluesKaj about nvidia dkms |
| 13:50.51 | knivsta | Atheros Communications, Inc. AR9271 802.11n <-- Anyone here using it? I am having issues with the open firmware of it |
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| 13:50.55 | Equa | gerforce: it's in /var/log/Xorg.0.log or something like that |
| 13:50.58 | Kayla | http://paste.debian.net/265771/ |
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| 13:51.08 | Equa | just do a cat on it and use paste.debian.net |
| 13:51.16 | gerforce | Equa: ok |
| 13:51.22 | themill | Kayla: I told you how to deal with chrome about 3 hours ago |
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| 13:51.41 | Equa | Kayla: read line 11 :D |
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| 13:53.08 | gerforce | Equa: http://paste.debian.net/265772/ |
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| 13:53.29 | Equa | Kayla: need a hint? run apt-get -f install |
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| 13:53.50 | gerforce | Equa: it's /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 13:54.42 | Kayla | i dont have gcci already did |
| 13:54.44 | Kayla | 100 times |
| 13:55.04 | Kayla | says media change please insert the disc labeled 'debian gnu |
| 13:55.36 | Kayla | i wonder if this is from me changing sources earlier |
| 13:56.07 | quarterback | Anybody familiar with setting exim4-light MTA on debian ? |
| 13:56.42 | quarterback | I got these errors, http://pastebin.com/HLms6ebV while sending an email with exim4 using /usr/sbin/sendmail -t |
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| 13:57.05 | KM0201 | Kayla: are you still having problems? |
| 13:57.16 | Kayla | yea |
| 13:57.20 | Kayla | can you teamview in? |
| 13:57.26 | KM0201 | depends on what the problem is |
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| 13:57.43 | quarterback | jelly, themill : Any of you here? |
| 13:57.44 | Kayla | i cant install a compiler or a ide |
| 13:57.55 | KM0201 | why not? |
| 13:58.15 | themill | Kayla: there's no need for teamview, there's a need for you to actually engage in this process and learn how to deal with things yourself. |
| 13:59.28 | Kayla | The following extra packages will be installed: |
| 13:59.29 | Kayla | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:59.29 | Kayla | Recommended packages: |
| 13:59.29 | Kayla | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:59.29 | Kayla | The following NEW packages will be installed: |
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| 13:59.39 | KM0201 | can' you just install like kdevelop? (that's the only ide i'm aware of) |
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| 14:00.15 | themill | KM0201: kayla insisted on installing chrome with dpkg -i earlier and didn't fix up the dependencies afterwards. |
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| 14:00.44 | KM0201 | .. |
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| 14:00.59 | KM0201 | why didn't she just install it from synaptic? |
| 14:01.20 | Equa | gerforce: do you have any other conf file in /etc/X11? |
| 14:01.27 | themill | chrome isn't in debian; no idea why chromium wasn't good enough. |
| 14:01.37 | KM0201 | that's what i meant really |
| 14:01.37 | quarterback | themill: Nice to see you here, could you help with setting exim4 as an smtp server? I had intsalled it after talking to you here. I got some errors while sending an email with the command /usr/sbin/sendmail -t . THe logs are here http://pastebin.com/HLms6ebV and this is in /var/log/exim4/mainlog |
| 14:01.57 | KM0201 | i use chromium w/o issue, but i've installed chrome before, no issue |
| 14:02.05 | themill | quarterback: I've not touched exim4 in quite a few years I'm afraid. |
| 14:02.19 | quarterback | themill: Is smail or sendmail better than exim4? |
| 14:02.28 | themill | KM0201: sure, but you actually need to install the packages the chrome package depends on |
| 14:03.18 | gerforce | Equa: http://paste.debian.net/265774/ |
| 14:03.25 | themill | quarterback: I wouldn't touch sendmail with a barge pole. Same for smail, really. exim or postfix if you actually need to deliver the mail yourself rather than hand it off to google or your provider |
| 14:03.42 | jelly | google's chrome packages are actually not broken, they also set up their apt repo and have correct dependencies |
| 14:03.47 | gerforce | Equa: it's what i have in directory /etc/X11 |
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| 14:04.23 | jelly | [chrome] so basically the only thing one needs is that "apt-get -f install" afterwards |
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| 14:04.28 | themill | jelly: sure, but when you dpkg -i foo.deb you then need to apt-get -f install rather than refuse to do so and refuse to read the next apt output that tells you to do so |
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| 14:04.51 | jelly | themill: or use that... gdebi thing? |
| 14:04.53 | Equa | gerforce: can you give me both xorg.conf.backup and xorg.conf.nvidia-xconfig-original |
| 14:05.02 | quarterback | themill: I got unable to resolve email@domain.tld while sending an email,what does that mean? my dns queries while sending en email lookup is not working? |
| 14:05.04 | themill | jelly: that would require you to install that too.... |
| 14:05.11 | gerforce | Equa: of course |
| 14:05.48 | jelly | quarterback: what does "dig domain.tld MX" say? |
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| 14:06.58 | quarterback | jelly: brb |
| 14:07.51 | quarterback | jelly: http://pastebin.com/QXUYaAXv output of "dig domain.tld MX" |
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| 14:08.39 | gerforce | Equa: http://paste.debian.net/265785/ for /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup and xorg.conf.nvidia-xconfig-original is empty. |
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| 14:09.50 | jelly | quarterback: if you're using literally "domain.tld", that really does not exist |
| 14:10.10 | quarterback | jelly: How to change that to my domain name? |
| 14:10.12 | jelly | quarterback: (this is what status: NXDOMAIN means) |
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| 14:10.45 | jelly | quarterback: um, use an existing domain? |
| 14:10.57 | jelly | quarterback: I'm not sure what you're asking |
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| 14:11.11 | quarterback | jelly: Where to modify the existing domain from domain.tld to mydomain.tld? |
| 14:11.29 | quarterback | ooops |
| 14:11.29 | quarterback | wait |
| 14:11.39 | jelly | quarterback: since this is the recipient, wherever you send the mail |
| 14:11.47 | Equa | gerforce: do cp /etc/xorg.conf /etc/xorg.conf.bak |
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| 14:12.45 | quarterback | jelly: http://pastebin.com/KLcnbjVj output of dig domain.tld MX |
| 14:13.32 | gerforce | Equa: what's that command means? |
| 14:13.51 | jelly | quarterback: seems to work |
| 14:13.52 | Equa | gerforce: cp is to copy |
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| 14:14.10 | Equa | gerforce: we're just making a backup of the nvidia settings |
| 14:14.12 | quarterback | jelly: What has to be done? Perhaps the domain needs authentication to send email? |
| 14:14.37 | gerforce | Equa: in /etc/X11/ i mean |
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| 14:14.38 | quarterback | jelly: I was sending an email from something like noreply@domain.tld |
| 14:14.47 | jelly | quarterback: look at /var/log/exim4/mainlog for issues |
| 14:15.15 | jelly | quarterback: can't help with actual exim4 configuration, I'm clueless there |
| 14:15.19 | quarterback | jelly: I got some errors while sending an email with the command /usr/sbin/sendmail -t . The logs are here http://pastebin.com/HLms6ebV and this is in /var/log/exim4/mainlog |
| 14:16.00 | jelly | quarterback: use less to look at the logs, vim/view cut off the end of one line |
| 14:16.15 | Equa | gerforce: modify your /etc/X11/xorg.conf to look like this http://paste.debian.net/265787/ |
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| 14:16.28 | quarterback | jelly: THe last line can be ignored, so please check the first 3 lines. |
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| 14:16.37 | jelly | quarterback: it seems... your /etc/mailname isn't set? |
| 14:16.38 | themill | It's line 3 that is truncated. |
| 14:16.54 | quarterback | jelly: Yes, /etc/mailname isn't set, how do I set it? |
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| 14:17.26 | jelly | quarterback: edit the file, put in the fully qualified domain to se used for sender addreses. |
| 14:17.33 | cam5 | can someone help with this |
| 14:17.37 | petn-randall | fireba11: Yes, the autovacuum daemon is running by default. It's not as complete as "VACUUM FULL" though, but that shouldn't be configured by default since it's more disruptive. |
| 14:17.39 | jelly | quarterback: and probably restart exim4-daemon-light |
| 14:17.39 | cam5 | http://paste.debian.net/265790/ |
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| 14:18.10 | quarterback | jelly: brb |
| 14:18.32 | gerforce | Equa: on it |
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| 14:18.53 | Equa | gerforce: just reboot after you're done |
| 14:18.59 | quarterback | jelly: contents of /etc/mailname are postmaster@domain.tld |
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| 14:19.30 | jelly | quarterback: that's incorrect. It only needs to be a FQDN (a domain, if you will) |
| 14:19.35 | quarterback | jelly: This email doesn't exist, I had put some email address |
| 14:19.38 | petn-randall | quarterback: Eh ... mailname shouldn't be a e-mail address, but a FQDN. |
| 14:19.51 | cam5 | can someone help with that |
| 14:19.52 | quarterback | jelly: You mean just domain.tld ? |
| 14:20.02 | cam5 | i have it in the right folder but it doesnt detect package |
| 14:20.07 | themill | also, redacted input/output ftl. |
| 14:20.16 | Equa | cam5: wrong command |
| 14:20.18 | quarterback | petn-randall : You mean just domain.tld ? |
| 14:20.19 | gerforce | Equa: you mean only left these rows? |
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| 14:20.24 | jelly | quarterback: I mean a domain that will have an existing ircd@domain.tld email address where bounces will go to |
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| 14:20.26 | Equa | cam5: it's just apt-get -f install |
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| 14:20.38 | aswin | hi all, I installed debian 8 jessy on my Asus laptop but in the boot I have some issues with x window |
| 14:20.42 | jelly | quarterback: if that's just "domain.tld" then yes |
| 14:20.47 | quarterback | jelly: ah ok, i have an email like services@domain.tld |
| 14:20.57 | Equa | gerforce: do one enter to get a blank line at the end of hte file |
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| 14:21.11 | cam5 | it asks me to media change |
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| 14:21.20 | quarterback | jelly: DOes this have to be a bounce to address which has a fQDN? |
| 14:21.21 | cam5 | says please insert disc labeled |
| 14:21.24 | themill | !show sources.list cam5 |
| 14:21.25 | dpkg | cam5: Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: head -v -n -0 /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*} |
| 14:21.29 | petn-randall | cam5: Which release are you running? |
| 14:21.35 | Equa | cam5: modify your sources.list and comment out all the dvd /cd by adding # in front of those lines |
| 14:21.36 | cam5 | 8.1 jes |
| 14:21.57 | quarterback | jelly: Please explain this, does /etc/mailname should have a valid email address or just a domain name which is valid. |
| 14:22.01 | gerforce | Equa: sorry. Can your be more specific? i didn't get it |
| 14:22.06 | aswin | my debian boot with command line and giving a login prompt for login for 1 sec and then starts x-window |
| 14:22.15 | aswin | why its is so? |
| 14:22.21 | gerforce | Equa: it already has these lines in xorg.conf |
| 14:22.23 | Equa | gerforce: just do what is on the page i sent ya. then hit "Enter" so it's one blank line |
| 14:22.27 | abrotman | aswin: What else would you expect? |
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| 14:22.41 | Equa | gerforce: i know. i think the screen settings is messing up your screen |
| 14:23.15 | jelly | quarterback: jsut a domain name. man 5 mailname |
| 14:23.22 | aswin | abortman: In ubuntu there is no such time delay its like a smooth boot |
| 14:23.26 | Equa | gerforce: just keep those lines in http://paste.debian.net/265787/ |
| 14:23.26 | quarterback | jelly: brb |
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| 14:23.47 | abrotman | aswin: You can change that if you'd like .. Or use a boot GUI like Plymouth to completely hide it |
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| 14:23.59 | abrotman | dpkg: tell aswin about plymouth |
| 14:24.13 | gerforce | Equa: alright |
| 14:24.28 | quarterback | jelly: How to restart exim4-light |
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| 14:24.47 | quarterback | service exim4-daemon-light restart ? |
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| 14:25.16 | Equa | gerforce: reboot and see if it works. if not let me get xorg log and dmesg |
| 14:25.30 | aswin | abortman: Thank you |
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| 14:25.36 | gerforce | Equa: ok |
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| 14:26.24 | abrotman | aswin: I use that on my netbook, you see GRUB for a moment, that it starts a pretty boot display, then it goes to the DM that I'm using |
| 14:26.32 | jelly | quarterback: I don't remember. The service name might be just exim4 |
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| 14:26.58 | quarterback | jelly: restarted |
| 14:27.02 | avernos | is it possible to revert all packages to a base system, or core system? as in leave only required priority packages and get rid of all the others? |
| 14:27.35 | cam5 | unable to locate package |
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| 14:28.29 | Equa | cam5: show your sources.list |
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| 14:28.46 | rozie | avernos: wajig purge <all not needed packages> |
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| 14:29.28 | jelly | quarterback: what happens on a send attempt now? |
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| 14:30.03 | quarterback | jelly: Post the long after exim4 restart |
| 14:30.04 | quarterback | jelly: posting, brb |
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| 14:30.18 | cam5 | http://paste.debian.net/265807/ |
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| 14:30.49 | AW3i | ^^ |
| 14:31.02 | gerforce | Equa: 265805 for dmesg and 265806 for xorg.0.log |
| 14:31.04 | Equa | cam5: now just do apt-get -f install. don't add anything extra like gcc and so on |
| 14:31.32 | cam5 | why would i add gcc to install skype |
| 14:32.04 | Equa | cam5: i don't know. i told you to do apt-get -f install earlier and u typed apt-get -f gcc |
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| 14:32.52 | Equa | gerforce: have you rebooted? |
| 14:32.58 | Equa | gerforce: i need them after |
| 14:33.02 | gerforce | Equa: yes |
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| 14:33.11 | Equa | gerforce: are you in gui mode? |
| 14:33.14 | cam5 | ok some things updated |
| 14:33.19 | gerforce | Equa: i have already rebooted |
| 14:33.29 | quarterback | jelly: https://dpaste.de/xoeH this is after a send email attempt. |
| 14:33.33 | gerforce | Equa: still can not |
| 14:34.04 | gerforce | Equa: maybe i should uninstall nvidia-driver and do it again |
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| 14:34.40 | cam5 | it just updated alot of stuff |
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| 14:35.19 | Equa | gerforce: yeah uninstall nvidia-driver and nvidia-kernel-dkms. then go into /etc/modprobe.d/edit the nvidia file that blocks nouveau |
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| 14:35.56 | Equa | gerforce: was anything else installed for nvidia on your end? |
| 14:35.58 | jelly | quarterback: you'll have to figure out where that ETC_MAILNAME thing comes from. |
| 14:36.21 | quarterback | jelly: It is in /etc/exim4/exi4.conf I think |
| 14:36.30 | Equa | cam5: it's fixing your google chrome installation. you still need to install gcc afterward |
| 14:37.06 | Digitlman | fresh install of 8.1 x86 on latest virtuabox....NIC is a bridged adapter. WOrks great on install and initial dhcp...however, once I go back in and edit /etc/network/interfaces with my static IP and reboot...eth0 does not come up, and when forced up, does not work |
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| 14:37.14 | quarterback | jelly: It is in /etc/exim4/exim4.conf.template |
| 14:37.22 | cam5 | so apt-get gcc? |
| 14:37.25 | jelly | quarterback: I vaguely remember something about "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" but not much more than that |
| 14:37.53 | Equa | cam5: apt-get install gcc |
| 14:37.59 | quarterback | jelly: I did a dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config before this. |
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| 14:38.01 | themill | cam5: that wasn't the right command the last 5 times either. |
| 14:38.16 | gerforce | Equa: nvidia-driver and nvidia-xconfig |
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| 14:38.29 | cam5 | sorry im just stressed and first time using linux |
| 14:38.33 | cam5 | well |
| 14:38.38 | cam5 | i used ubuntu for 5 seconds |
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| 14:38.49 | Equa | gerforce: do apt-get remove --purge on those + nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 14:39.14 | gerforce | Equa: ok |
| 14:39.19 | eletious | cam5: Don't panic |
| 14:39.24 | quarterback | jelly: What to do now? |
| 14:39.28 | eletious | cam5: what's the scenario? |
| 14:39.38 | cam5 | well i want to make a call on skype |
| 14:39.41 | cam5 | and install an ide |
| 14:39.45 | cam5 | aswell as g++ |
| 14:39.50 | cam5 | but skype is no 1 |
| 14:39.53 | eletious | Okay |
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| 14:40.00 | Equa | cam5: you will have lots of fun install skype |
| 14:40.05 | eletious | and this is your first time using linux and you're using debian? |
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| 14:40.06 | Equa | *installing |
| 14:40.14 | cam5 | yes |
| 14:40.20 | jelly | quarterback: I'd ask someone who knows about exim. |
| 14:40.25 | cam5 | my friend showed me ubuntu and i was like no |
| 14:40.31 | cam5 | and then i got curious and got debian |
| 14:40.39 | quarterback | jelly: exim said its a debian issue |
| 14:40.40 | eletious | cam5: I see. if you don't mind me asking, why not ubuntu? You know you can change the awful user interface right? |
| 14:40.42 | themill | cam5: you need to focus on one problem and actually solve it properly rather than flipping between 5 different problems and not actually solving any of them. |
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| 14:40.52 | cam5 | xfce |
| 14:40.55 | cam5 | lxde |
| 14:41.04 | cam5 | i choose lxde because it was lightweight |
| 14:41.13 | cam5 | also alot of the packages on ubuntu are broke |
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| 14:41.22 | quarterback | jelly: #exims said this, <henk>quarterback: Fix it. Itâs a mistake you made while using the debian way of configuring your system and/or exim. Itâs not directly an exim issue, so most here donât know anything about it and you should ask debian-people. |
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| 14:41.24 | jelly | quarterback: now that you actually have /etc/mailname in place, why not run that dpkg-reconfigure thing again, see if the file with ETC_MAILNAME changes |
| 14:41.24 | cam5 | and its based on a sid of debian |
| 14:41.47 | WormFood | can anyone recommend/suggest a package in Jessie, for editing a pdf? |
| 14:41.48 | jelly | quarterback: they are probably right |
| 14:41.59 | abrotman | WormFood: depends what you mean by edit ... |
| 14:42.00 | themill | WormFood: editing in what way? |
| 14:42.03 | eletious | cam5: hold on, bud |
| 14:42.12 | eletious | cam5: have you used linux? |
| 14:42.17 | quarterback | jelly: dig domain.tld MX resulted in mail.net4india.com as the mailname, my domain name is domain.tld, what should be in /etc/mailname? |
| 14:42.20 | eletious | cam5: like, before now |
| 14:42.28 | themill | cam5: so which of these problems are you going to work on? |
| 14:42.30 | WormFood | edit the text in it (it's text is not graphics) |
| 14:42.41 | jelly | quarterback: most likely just the domain, ircweb.in |
| 14:42.44 | avernos | rozie, what are all not needed packages? |
| 14:42.44 | cam5 | skype first |
| 14:42.49 | cam5 | i really wanna call a friend |
| 14:42.52 | cam5 | i have it downloaded |
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| 14:42.57 | eletious | cam5: may god have mercy on your soul |
| 14:43.02 | themill | cam5: what does "apt-get -f install" output? |
| 14:43.04 | quarterback | jelly: I will do a dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config now, brb |
| 14:43.11 | avernos | is there any way i can tell apt to remove packages with regards to the priority? |
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| 14:43.25 | DebianGNU | cam5: Why not Jitsi or tox? |
| 14:43.27 | rozie | avernos: you can install base system in chroot and find out ;) |
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| 14:43.32 | themill | avernos: aptitude can, but you probably don't want to actually do that. |
| 14:43.34 | gerforce | Equa: After remove these packages, what i supposed to do |
| 14:43.36 | rozie | plus kernel and grub |
| 14:43.50 | cam5 | because no one uses jitsi or tox |
| 14:44.00 | DebianGNU | they can use it if you tell them about it |
| 14:44.10 | Equa | gerforce: check the content of /etc/modprobe.d/. nvidia have a config that blocks nouveau |
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| 14:44.17 | cam5 | i have like 300 skype contacts.. |
| 14:44.25 | themill | DebianGNU: jitsi isn't in jessie. |
| 14:44.36 | cam5 | is skype really that hard to install? |
| 14:44.42 | avernos | themill, my system is already broken. and I can't move on because aptget just keeps complaining. Why i wouldnt want to do that? |
| 14:44.51 | DebianGNU | themill: neither is Skype. |
| 14:44.56 | DebianGNU | both require external sources |
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| 14:45.04 | quarterback | jelly: Other destinations for which mail is accepted. What should be in here? |
| 14:45.10 | themill | DebianGNU: we've had this conversation already. |
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| 14:45.22 | cam5 | lets just do this skype thing please |
| 14:45.23 | themill | avernos: your kernel and bootloader are probably things you want to keep installed |
| 14:45.23 | cam5 | i have |
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| 14:45.36 | mtn | cam5, if you can read and follow the wiki, installing skype is very easy |
| 14:45.41 | avernos | themill, kernel and boot loader is not required priority? |
| 14:45.42 | cam5 | skype-debian_4.3.0.37-1_i386.deb in my downloads folder |
| 14:45.43 | gerforce | Equa: nvidia-blacklist-nouveau ? |
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| 14:45.54 | themill | avernos: not at all (think of chroots or other lightweight containers) |
| 14:46.03 | SynrG | Minty_64: is fdisk used? by some people. not much by me ... i tend to use parted, or gparted |
| 14:46.04 | Equa | gerforce: yeah just delete or comment out the line |
| 14:46.05 | mtn | cam5, you have read the wiki, right? just follow the instructions |
| 14:46.09 | Digitlman | fresh install of 8.1 x86 on latest virtuabox....NIC is a bridged adapter. WOrks great on install and initial dhcp...however, once I go back in and edit /etc/network/interfaces with my static IP and reboot...eth0 does not come up, and when forced up, does not work |
| 14:46.15 | jelly | quarterback: that's only if you're going to receive mail on this very machine |
| 14:46.17 | themill | cam5: so what was the output of "apt-get -f install" again? |
| 14:46.19 | cam5 | will wheezy wiki work? |
| 14:46.22 | avernos | holy cow |
| 14:46.28 | mtn | cam5, yes |
| 14:46.31 | cam5 | aptitude |
| 14:46.34 | avernos | that cant be right |
| 14:46.35 | quarterback | jelly: its a send only smtp server, should I leave it blank? |
| 14:46.36 | SynrG | Minty_64: it's /sbin/fdisk |
| 14:46.37 | cam5 | get means download |
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| 14:46.41 | cam5 | install means install |
| 14:46.44 | cam5 | -f means |
| 14:46.47 | themill | cam5: apt-get -f install ... |
| 14:46.48 | cam5 | fuck my life |
| 14:47.00 | themill | I'm getting sick of this game with you btw |
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| 14:47.32 | avernos | themill, how is the system going to boot up without those? if cant boot up, how is that not required? not sure i understand chroot. but if i think on a VM a boot manager and kernel is needed |
| 14:47.33 | quarterback | jelly: Do email addresses have to be included in some list which checks whether to send email from any email address through this smtp server? |
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| 14:47.53 | echo083 | hello someone can help me with debian bug report ? |
| 14:48.15 | themill | avernos: a container doesn't need its own kernel or bootloader. You might even compile your own kernel and then not need a packaged one. |
| 14:48.16 | jelly | quarterback: probably not. |
| 14:48.29 | quarterback | jelly: Domains to relay mail for, what should be in here? |
| 14:48.33 | jelly | quarterback: nothing |
| 14:48.52 | quarterback | jelly: machines to relay mail for. |
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| 14:49.18 | jelly | quarterback: nothing (leave it at default if there's localhost or 127.0.0.1 or :: in there) |
| 14:49.21 | quarterback | jelly: What should be in for 'machines to relay mail for' ? |
| 14:49.27 | avernos | Is it possible to reinstall the system without deleting the current data on an encrypted partition? |
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| 14:49.59 | quarterback | jelly: its empty, should I put 127.0.0.1 ? |
| 14:50.01 | cam5 | sorry mill |
| 14:50.01 | themill | avernos: what are you actually trying to achieve here? |
| 14:50.05 | cam5 | i dont like those games either |
| 14:50.15 | jelly | quarterback: no, leave defaults |
| 14:50.39 | jelly | quarterback: I'm going by this simple rule: if unsure, use defaults |
| 14:50.43 | quarterback | jelly: Keep minimal DNS queries, yes or no? |
| 14:50.59 | cam5 | doesnt look like i have any dependencies <# |
| 14:50.59 | jelly | quarterback: I have no idea what that means, so use the default :-) |
| 14:51.15 | themill | cam5: so for the last half hour, I've been hoping you'd pastebin the output of "apt-get -f install" and the output of «head -v -n -0 /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*}». |
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| 14:52.13 | cam5 | sorry |
| 14:52.16 | abrotman | looks at the calendar ... |
| 14:52.17 | jelly | quarterback: (that question did not exist last time I used exim4) |
| 14:52.42 | Equa | themill: i helped her with that earlier and she done the dependencies. She's working on skype now |
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| 14:52.59 | gerforce | Equa: problem still |
| 14:53.02 | themill | Equa: there's something not right there still. |
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| 14:53.14 | quarterback | jelly: Perhaps this is the new version. |
| 14:53.33 | Equa | gerforce: let me get output for xorg log |
| 14:53.36 | avernos | themill, i did the unwise mistake of updating a package from experimental and all went haywire. I can't figureout how to repair it. So i would like to install a base system on top of the current one without deleting my /home |
| 14:53.41 | avernos | however its encrypted |
| 14:53.53 | themill | avernos: just one package? installed how? |
| 14:54.15 | avernos | apt -t experimental it added a couple of dependencies |
| 14:54.25 | quarterback | jelly: I got the same error again after an email send attempt. |
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| 14:54.26 | avernos | whole gdm3 stopped working |
| 14:54.44 | Equa | cam5: if something dindt' go well with apt-get -f install. you need to paste the output for us |
| 14:54.52 | themill | dpkg: tell avernos about partial downgrade |
| 14:55.03 | gerforce | Equa: 265941 for Xorg.0.log |
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| 14:55.42 | avernos | themill, thanks~ |
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| 14:56.10 | Equa | gerforce: is that old? looks like your nvidia driver is still being loaded ;/ |
| 14:56.16 | themill | avernos: if it's only a couple of packages then you should be able to pull that off, and it's a lot simpler than reinstalling |
| 14:56.55 | avernos | themill, well, that was before i tried to repair it :S now non relevant packages to those couple of packages also complain |
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| 14:57.22 | Equa | gerforce: apt-get remove --purge nvidia-driver nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 14:57.36 | gerforce | Equa: there are many xorg.[0-5].log in /var/log |
| 14:57.50 | gerforce | Equa: i have done that |
| 14:57.54 | Equa | gerforce: 0 is the one i need. the others are backlog |
| 14:58.20 | quarterback | jelly: I am perplexed |
| 14:59.50 | cam5 | man i love these dependencies |
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| 15:00.04 | cam5 | ... |
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| 15:00.22 | themill | so is there no chance of seeing that output? |
| 15:00.34 | cam5 | well it might install |
| 15:00.39 | cam5 | but you are really trying to jinx it |
| 15:00.55 | mtn | haha |
| 15:00.58 | cam5 | what output are you looking for |
| 15:01.02 | cam5 | the gcc or skype? |
| 15:01.17 | Equa | cam5: apt-get -f install is what themill wants for the output |
| 15:01.21 | quarterback | jelly: What to do with the error, its the same |
| 15:01.31 | Equa | cam5: also your sources.list |
| 15:01.51 | themill | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:01.54 | cam5 | does -f fix dependencies? |
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| 15:02.19 | cam5 | and yea ill send you the dependencies |
| 15:02.24 | cam5 | im just praying to god it works |
| 15:02.26 | jelly | quarterback: wait until someone exim-knowledgeable appears, or try in #debian over on irc.oftc.net, or try the debian-users mailing list |
| 15:02.28 | cam5 | well satan |
| 15:02.35 | Equa | themill: guess that's a no for her |
| 15:02.59 | quarterback | jelly: Log of exim after an attempt to send an email . https://dpaste.de/YyyO |
| 15:03.32 | cam5 | lol it installed |
| 15:03.36 | cam5 | god bless my soul i think not |
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| 15:04.11 | quarterback | jelly: I will hang out here, perhaps somebody familiar with exim4 appears, I will also try oftc now. |
| 15:04.21 | cam5 | can i send you the dependencies when i finish this cig? |
| 15:04.24 | jelly | quarterback: I have to repeat: 1) your log lines are cut off (line 46 in particular) 2) I have no clue about debugging or configuring exim4 apart from going thru dpkg-reconfigure |
| 15:04.44 | quarterback | jelly: Thanks for looking into this issue. If you already know somebody who knows exim, please message me too. |
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| 15:05.29 | quarterback | jelly: Why is there an incomplete log then? |
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| 15:06.01 | Equa | gerforce: can you post the xorg log ? the recent one with the 0. |
| 15:06.20 | jelly | quarterback: because you used vim or vi or view to look at it, instead of less |
| 15:06.32 | quarterback | jelly: Yes, I had used nano |
| 15:06.47 | quarterback | jelly: What should be the correct command to view? |
| 15:06.48 | jelly | Use less to look at files, not an editor |
| 15:07.11 | gerforce | Equa: that is already the latest xorg.0.log in /var/log/ directory. |
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| 15:07.42 | Equa | gerforce: hmm let me get dmesg then. that log is old and shows the nvidia driver being loaded |
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| 15:08.09 | Filystyn | helo |
| 15:08.14 | Filystyn | problem ;-) |
| 15:08.28 | gerforce | Equa: 265970 |
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| 15:08.34 | gerforce | Equa: for dmesg |
| 15:08.42 | Filystyn | why debian has no option that forbids fragmentation of data hm hm? |
| 15:08.51 | Filystyn | it's in here http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=ip&sektion=4&manpath=FreeBSD+9.0-RELEASE but |
| 15:09.00 | Filystyn | debian do not have it <sad face> |
| 15:09.22 | jelly | Filystyn: clearly you want to use Debian GNU/kFreeBSD ! |
| 15:09.36 | quarterback | jellY: I see an email address like ircd@ETC_MAILNAME where ircd is a linux user from which I send emails with /usr/sbin/sendmail -t , how can I have a custom email addresss like noreply@domain.tld ? |
| 15:09.40 | jelly | dpkg, tell Filystyn about kfrebsd |
| 15:09.42 | avernos | themill, seems like aptitude did quite a bit, however im stuck still. keeps complaining that gcc-5-base breas with gcc-4.7-base but 4.7.2-5 is to be installed |
| 15:09.47 | abrotman | Filystyn: file a bug, submit a patch |
| 15:10.20 | themill | avernos: you'd need to remove the gcc-5 packages |
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| 15:11.01 | jelly | quarterback: I don't know a lot about exim. It might allow you to add -fnoreply@domain.tld to /usr/sbin/sendmail arguments. Or it might not. |
| 15:11.01 | avernos | gcc-5 packages? or gcc-5-base? i dont know what are the packages |
| 15:11.21 | themill | avernos: which release of debian are you trying to run? |
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| 15:11.37 | avernos | stable |
| 15:11.39 | quarterback | jelly: There is an option in anope which asks from which email address should emails be sent, it has to be valid for bounce back though. |
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| 15:11.51 | Filystyn | <realy sad face> |
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| 15:12.05 | jelly | sorry. |
| 15:12.07 | Filystyn | fuk that sock option i do not need it ill just remember it exists ;O |
| 15:12.08 | jelly | dpkg, tell Filystyn about kfreebsd |
| 15:12.21 | horse | hello debian. RHEL user here. i'm trying to figure out where "iptables-save" actually saves the contents of the iptables rule set too? |
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| 15:12.42 | jelly | horse: nowhere, it goes to stdout |
| 15:12.44 | Filystyn | no i will just stick to knowing SUCH option exist |
| 15:12.47 | horse | ok thanks |
| 15:12.50 | abrotman | horse: I always thought you had to redirect the output to a file of your choosing |
| 15:13.01 | Equa | gerforce: remove /etc/X11/xorg.conf files |
| 15:13.18 | horse | thankyou. i must say, i find iptables setup much easier in RHEL |
| 15:13.44 | horse | for example, in order to turn off the firewall i simply tupe "service iptables stop" in RHEL. |
| 15:13.47 | themill | !iptables-persistent |
| 15:13.47 | dpkg | hmm... iptables-persistent is a utility to load an <iptables> rule file; see http://wiki.debian.org/iptables for more examples. You can run iptables-restore manually, from an interface hook script (see interfaces(5) for information about "pre-up" scripts) or from an init script provided by the iptables-persistent package. This package can be removed from jessie systems, it's functionality is provided by netfilter-persistent. |
| 15:13.59 | jelly | horse: if you install iptables-persistent, you can redirect that output into /etc/iptables/rules.v4 |
| 15:13.59 | gerforce | Equa: done |
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| 15:14.05 | jelly | slow |
| 15:14.07 | horse | can't find any way of doing this in deb, apart from flushing my ruleset, which seems a bit much |
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| 15:14.27 | Equa | gerforce: you can get rid of the nvidia backup conf too and just reboot. |
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| 15:19.48 | Minty_64 | SynrG, thanks, ill look for it |
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| 15:20.38 | gerforce | Equa: now tty7 appears differently. It prompts " something has go wrong" |
| 15:21.13 | Minty_64 | it's missing :/ i installed jessie and I'm not sure why it's not there |
| 15:21.15 | Equa | gerforce: dmesg log please and xorg log if it's different |
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| 15:22.22 | Minty_64 | could it be because I had no / space when I installed? |
| 15:23.11 | gerforce | Equa: 265983 for dmesg and 165984 for Xorg.0.log |
| 15:23.35 | abrotman | Minty_64: look for the package it belongs to, verify it's installed |
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| 15:25.41 | Equa | gerforce: the xorg is invalid... looks like an old # |
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| 15:26.41 | gerforce | Equa: but the modification time is the latest. |
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| 15:27.38 | Equa | gerforce: i can't open it on paste.debian.net |
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| 15:27.59 | gerforce | Equa: i'll try again |
| 15:28.55 | gerforce | Equa: 265986 |
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| 15:33.14 | WangDang_ | I recently upgraded both a client and a cups printer server to jessie. Now I can't print. First discovered this trying to print a web page from Chromium. Doesn't appear to see the printer. lpstat -a on the server shows the printer, lpstat -a on the client doesn't show the printer. It looks like some of the files in /etc/cups were changed by the upgrade, but they appear to be minor. I don't see anything in /var/log/syslog or in /va |
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| 15:35.02 | gerforce | Equa: is that valid? |
| 15:36.19 | Minty_64 | um, how do i restart the x server? |
| 15:36.52 | centrx | Minty_64, Logout? |
| 15:37.26 | Minty_64 | there should be a way in the terminal? |
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| 15:38.20 | centrx | Minty_64, Is it running already? |
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| 15:39.04 | Minty_64 | i think the desktop froze, i can't really do much |
| 15:39.46 | centrx | Minty_64, killall -9 xinit X |
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| 15:40.33 | Minty_64 | centrx, no processes found |
| 15:40.55 | centrx | Minty_64, Okay, then it's not running. You can start X from the console with: startx |
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| 15:42.56 | Minty_64 | xauth: timeout |
| 15:43.23 | Minty_64 | hard reset i suppose |
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| 15:49.58 | Digitlman | fresh install of 8.1 x86 on latest virtuabox....NIC is a bridged adapter. WOrks great on install and initial dhcp...however, once I go back in and edit /etc/network/interfaces with my static IP and reboot...eth0 does not come up, and when forced up, does not work |
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| 16:14.00 | damasceno | Does anyone know how to apply the qmail dkim patch to qmail (Debian installation via apt-get)? |
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| 16:17.12 | jelly | damasceno: you probably need to rebuild the package from source, after grabbing the source apply your extra patch |
| 16:17.21 | jelly | dpkg, tell damasceno about package rebuild |
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| 16:18.09 | damasceno | jelly: thanks mate. |
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| 16:28.26 | markvandenborre | I have my gf's laptop in front of me here |
| 16:28.32 | markvandenborre | just upgraded it to debian jessie |
| 16:28.53 | markvandenborre | it seems to receive an ip address from the router |
| 16:29.08 | markvandenborre | and it's able to ping the router too through its (wifi) uplink |
| 16:29.15 | markvandenborre | but getting any further seems to be an issue |
| 16:29.35 | cemg | hello guys , i give chmod this file , then when i run it , it doesnt work , it just only becomes root, https://paste.kde.org/p5kfzjmmb |
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| 16:29.57 | markvandenborre | (this is after I used the wireless uplink to dist-upgrade it) |
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| 16:30.14 | centrx | cemg, That script doesn't have 'chmod' in it? |
| 16:30.14 | markvandenborre | I'm a bit at a loss what may be causing this, and looking for the best way to troublehsoot |
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| 16:30.23 | markvandenborre | any ideas? |
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| 16:30.34 | cemg | i am doing like this |
| 16:30.34 | centrx | markvandenborre, traceroute? |
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| 16:31.02 | cemg | touch installer.sh , then write this in it , then chmod +x installer.sh , ./installer.sh |
| 16:31.11 | cemg | however it only becomes root , that s all |
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| 16:32.13 | markvandenborre | centrx: hm, it seems to insist on using my unconnected eth0 instead of my connected wlan0 |
| 16:32.16 | centrx | cemg, chmod +x sets a file to be executable |
| 16:32.34 | cemg | what should i do then ? |
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| 16:32.38 | markvandenborre | centrx: but then again, if I route -n, that is not what I expect... |
| 16:32.45 | centrx | cemg, What are you trying to do? |
| 16:32.57 | centrx | markvandenborre, You could disable/ifdown eth0 ? |
| 16:32.57 | cemg | touch installer.sh , then write this in it , then chmod +x installer.sh , ./installer.sh |
| 16:33.25 | centrx | cemg, That should work fine |
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| 16:33.44 | BluesKaj | ok ,what's the flash plugin to use with browsers on jessie ,I have no audio on webpages, otherwise the audio works on music and video files on the HDD |
| 16:34.19 | markvandenborre | centrx: where do I do that in this network-manager managed world... let's see |
| 16:34.58 | BluesKaj | triied iceweasel, firef=ox konqueror, and chrome, no audio on any of them |
| 16:35.34 | centrx | BluesKaj, iceweasel uses flashplugin-nonfree, chromium uses pepperflashplugin-nonfree |
| 16:36.17 | BluesKaj | pepper flash still in use , ok thanks centrx |
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| 16:36.26 | markvandenborre | centrx: this is funny... network manager doesn't seem to see the wired network |
| 16:36.40 | markvandenborre | but it is up... |
| 16:36.46 | markvandenborre | maybe managed by something else |
| 16:37.19 | markvandenborre | bingo |
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| 16:37.33 | markvandenborre | ifdown eth0 solved things |
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| 16:38.02 | markvandenborre | now it's fishy of course that this is _not_ managed by network-manager on this machine |
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| 16:39.28 | markvandenborre | I guess it's a consequence of the systemd migration, with ifup getting hold of the device before network-manager? |
| 16:39.42 | markvandenborre | whatever the case, I disabled it in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 16:39.46 | markvandenborre | and it seems to work now |
| 16:39.52 | markvandenborre | centrx: thx |
| 16:39.59 | centrx | Cheers |
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| 16:50.16 | yoLo_ | ELink or Lynx ? |
| 16:50.39 | valdyn | markvandenborre: systemd has got nothign to do with this, nor does any order of "getting hold" |
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| 16:53.01 | valdyn | markvandenborre: ifupdown is broken - it assumes some state of the device, but that device may actually be in a different state for whatever reason |
| 16:53.01 | petn-randall | markvandenborre: network-manager won't touch the device if it's configured in /etc/network/interfaces. This has been like that ever since network-manager exists. |
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| 16:54.26 | yoLo_ | how do i know the version of Lynx in debian's repo ? |
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| 16:55.00 | valdyn | yoLo_: apt-cache policy lynx |
| 16:55.08 | yoLo_ | thanks |
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| 17:01.01 | alebin | I have a semi-complicated question. If I install win8.1 to a partition on a ssd drive, then install debian to another partition on the same drive, then use the a linux live CD to Veracrypt the debian install partition, will I be able to boot to Win8.1? Then reboot to the CD, unencrypt the debian installation partition, and reboot into debian? |
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| 17:04.37 | neglesaks | alebin: shooting semi-blind here, but I would guess that you'd want to get the encryption scheme/system in order BEFORE installing Deb |
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| 17:05.20 | alebin | neglesaks: i was planning on encrypting and decrypting it entirely on each boot/change of os |
| 17:05.47 | alebin | neglesaks: that way it's like an encrypted container, not something that has some bootloader or other attackable point |
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| 17:07.23 | alebin | neglesaks: the goal is to prevent any possible type of attack originating from windows to modify anything to do with the linux install |
| 17:07.45 | neglesaks | alebin: yeah thats what i imagined. I'm afraid I am unqualified to offer any help here. sorry |
| 17:08.32 | alebin | neglesaks: why did i have to be a gamer :p |
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| 17:09.23 | neglesaks | pats aleb |
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| 17:19.28 | alebin | secondary question.. is there anyway to checksum the mbr |
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| 17:20.21 | alebin | or at least the area where grub or some other loader is installed if it isn't installed to the disk |
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| 17:22.32 | neglesaks | alebin: irt. mbp ; if its boot recovery youre looking for, use GPT instead of MBR, as it has a dubpicate at the "Other end" of the disk. |
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| 17:23.40 | alebin | neglesaks: yeah, i was just trying to look for that on my own disks |
| 17:24.05 | alebin | neglesaks: i guess it's not good that i did fdisk -l and got red messages saying 'Partition 2 does not start on physical sector boundry.' |
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| 17:31.17 | nmschulte | Is there a way to configure a certain process to use a certain networking route/interface? |
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| 17:35.41 | BluesKaj | just made my day... debian jessie is what i've been missing since kubuntu went with plasma 5 desktop and KF5...not a plasma 5 fan. A few problems , but nothing that couldn't be fixed |
| 17:36.03 | BluesKaj | on debian that is |
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| 17:36.48 | BluesKaj | hope the devs don't decide to "upgrade" to plsama 5 |
| 17:37.12 | Amarande | what's plasma 5 got? |
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| 17:37.17 | Amarande | they didn't paradigm shift like gnome3, did they? |
| 17:37.43 | BluesKaj | not much that i lke Amarande |
| 17:37.57 | Amarande | hmm, doesn't look like it, looks like it's still an ordinary "desktoppy" thing, based on the screenshots I googled |
| 17:38.11 | Amarande | doesn't seem like I'll mind it. the reason I hated gnome3 was because they decided to try to paradigm shift |
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| 17:39.03 | Amarande | (and seriously, does Ubuntu actually regard each DE as formally a whole separate distro?) |
| 17:39.43 | BluesKaj | well, completely different "look" , dropped some of my favourite features like separate wallpapers for virtual desktops and entry hisory in the run command is gone , plus alot of crashing |
| 17:40.45 | twork_ | hi all. i'm trying to customize my colors in mutt, using the solarized package. mutt barfs on a couple of its color names, and the solarized recommendation is to link mutt against slang to fix that. is there a fix for that other than building my own mutt? |
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| 17:41.11 | BluesKaj | Amarande, for KDplasma 5 is supposed to be an improvement , it's simpler but not better |
| 17:41.30 | BluesKaj | KDE ppl like me |
| 17:41.31 | twork_ | (mutt package links against ncurses currently.) |
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| 17:41.43 | wikus | twork_: you make sure that your running in a console that has 256-color (stupid question I know) |
| 17:42.02 | wikus | oh, nvm, I just reread your qeustion. not enough coffee for me this morning |
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| 17:42.37 | twork_ | wikus: not stupid at all... the (solarized) docs have confused me on that point, recommend 26-color. moment while i check. |
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| 17:42.50 | twork_ | *16 color |
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| 17:45.49 | twork_ | wikus: more confusion from me. my setup is, OSX -> ssh -> debian -> screen -> mutt, and it seems to me that my terminal is defined at OSX, while the color library lives at debian. no? |
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| 17:46.18 | yoLo_ | where is the file that we use to add PATHS ?? |
| 17:46.19 | greycat | twork_: basically yes. |
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| 17:47.58 | twork_ | wikus: so, when mutt runs, and complains "Error in /home/mjinks/.mutt/mutt-colors-solarized/mutt-colors-solarized-dark-16.muttrc, line 22: J_cream: no such color" ...how does it know what my color scheme even is? |
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| 17:48.19 | yoLo_ | where is the PATHS list file? i need to add something |
| 17:48.37 | greycat | yoLo_: for yourself, or system-wide? |
| 17:48.58 | greycat | and do you login on a text console, or with one of those GUIs? |
| 17:49.03 | twork_ | ...oh, duh, maybe i should try again with the 256 version of solarized. but their docs recommend 16. whatevs, i'll play with it. |
| 17:49.04 | yoLo_ | greycat: system-wide |
| 17:49.45 | yoLo_ | either text or GUIs should it matter ? |
| 17:49.46 | greycat | well, if you login on a console, you can just edit /etc/profile |
| 17:50.11 | greycat | if you login with a GUI, then you'll have to say which one, and then maybe we can find someone who knows how to do it in that GUI |
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| 17:50.52 | greycat | Now *personally* what I do is just symlink every non-standard-location binary into /usr/local/bin/ |
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| 17:55.01 | yoLo_ | greycat: also the tool i'm running is in 32bits but my debian is in 64bits |
| 17:55.24 | yoLo_ | what need i install to make my operating system work with it ? |
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| 17:55.34 | yoLo_ | i know there is something |
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| 17:56.53 | greycat | !multiarch |
| 17:56.54 | dpkg | Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch and <multiarch howto>, <multiarch failures>. For the unrelated installer that can install i386 or amd64, see <multi-arch installer>. |
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| 17:59.37 | aswin | hi why does the font size is to large in booting time ? |
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| 17:59.59 | aswin | How can I fix this using grub configuration file |
| 18:00.51 | BluesKaj | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:00.58 | BluesKaj | in |
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| 18:01.17 | greycat | During which part of the boot? The grub menu? |
| 18:01.53 | aswin | yeh |
| 18:02.02 | aswin | can I set the vga resolution |
| 18:02.18 | aswin | I think then I can solve this |
| 18:02.35 | BluesKaj | yes in /etc/default/grub |
| 18:02.53 | greycat | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1555358 |
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| 18:04.22 | BluesKaj | aswin, GRUB_GFXMODE= |
| 18:04.27 | yoLo_ | where do i put this "PATH=/home/ned/stm/gcc-arm-none-eabi-4_9-2015q2/bin:$PATH" ? |
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| 18:05.39 | greycat | Don't change the system-wide PATH to include directories that are under control of a user. |
| 18:05.44 | aswin | BlueKaj: yeh now its 640x480 |
| 18:05.49 | greycat | Then that user can fuck up everyone else. |
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| 18:06.30 | aswin | BlueKaj: I think I need too change to 1280x1024 |
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| 18:07.44 | yoLo_ | greycat: where can i add this ? |
| 18:07.45 | BluesKaj | whatis the res now, aswin |
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| 18:08.07 | aswin | BlueKaj: 640x480 |
| 18:08.11 | greycat | yoLo_: Is there more than one executable file in that directory? |
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| 18:09.05 | d3lphi | hi all. When I need to create or modify new regex rules I am always using the great regex online tool on www.regex101.com which assists me in creating or modifying the rules. I would like to know, if there is a native linux tool that is capable of doing the same. A command line tool (no X) would be preferred. any clues ? |
| 18:09.20 | BluesKaj | if you want smaller fonts , 1280x1024 will make thm HUGE, aswin |
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| 18:11.40 | hexnewbie | yoLo_: If you use bash, /home/ned/.bashrc and /home/ned/.bash_profile and don't forget to add `export PATH' after that. Otherwise, run: man $SHELL |
| 18:11.59 | greycat | There are several errors in that answer, hexnewbie |
| 18:12.03 | BluesKaj | aswin, it's not the same as higher resolution on the desktop |
| 18:12.32 | hexnewbie | graycat: Such as? |
| 18:12.39 | BluesKaj | whjich create more dpi , aswin |
| 18:12.39 | aswin | The issue is that font is big for the first 3 or 4 seconds and then it goes to normal size |
| 18:13.06 | greycat | 1) Do not put PATH modifications in .bashrc. Only put them in the login file, which is .bash_profile (if it exists; otherwise .bash_login or .profile). |
| 18:13.07 | yoLo_ | hexnewbie: export PATH=/home/ned/stm/gcc-arm-none-eabi-4_9-2015q2/bin:$PATH ? |
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| 18:13.20 | greycat | 2) "man $SHELL" will try to run "man /bin/bash" which probably will not work. |
| 18:13.28 | greycat | 3) You don't need to re-export PATH if it was already exported. |
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| 18:13.53 | hexnewbie | graycat: I was going for man `basename $SHELL`, but I tested it and it works |
| 18:14.00 | greycat | yoLo_: You have to tell us *how you are logging in* if you insist on this approach. I still think it's easier to symlink them. Just tell us how many files in are in that place so we can decide. |
| 18:14.21 | greycat | hexnewbie: huh, weird. OK. |
| 18:14.25 | yoLo_ | greycat: as a user ? |
| 18:14.31 | BluesKaj | then the resolution is changing when the gpu settings kick in for the desktop, aswin |
| 18:14.50 | greycat | yoLo_: for god's sake, you have to answer SOMETHING! |
| 18:15.02 | greycat | yoLo_: we are completely in the dark, stabbing randomly. |
| 18:15.09 | aswin | is there any way to get a constant resolution ? |
| 18:15.33 | yoLo_ | greycat: what does this seriously have to be about how do i intend to log in / |
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| 18:15.44 | yoLo_ | ? |
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| 18:16.14 | hexnewbie | yoLo_: It does - you might need to add the line to .profile and/or .xsessionrc (if that's sourced by default even) |
| 18:16.25 | greycat | yoLo_: because if you login with -- FOR EXAMPLE -- xdm, then it does not read ~/.bash_profile at login time. Instead it reads ~/.xsession or something. |
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| 18:16.42 | logan0405 | Hey I'm trying to figure out why my flash player is lagging, it happens in every browser, but didn't used to on ubuntu |
| 18:17.10 | logan0405 | Firefox says hardware acceleration is enabled, but flash doesn't seem to be utilizing it |
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| 18:17.44 | logan0405 | Anyone know why this might be happening? |
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| 18:18.51 | andril | hello |
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| 18:19.19 | hexnewbie | logan0405: My wild guess would be that Flash is not Firefox. How do tell it's not? Are you hoping to use your GPU to decode video in Flash? |
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| 18:19.49 | logan0405 | What do you mean |
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| 18:20.26 | yoLo_ | hexnewbie: need i type this whole export PATH=/home/ned/stm/gcc-arm-none-eabi-4_9-2015q2/bin:$PATH command into .profile ? |
| 18:21.04 | greycat | my god. |
| 18:21.30 | greycat | Someone needs to drive over to his house and grab his keyboard and do things for him. He just won't answer ANY questions. |
| 18:21.41 | mtn | logan0405, test your flash: http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/ is it uptodate? |
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| 18:23.06 | hexnewbie | logan0405: Flash is not Firefox - it's its own software with own bugs, more bugs than software really. https://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer/ suggest you add EnableLinuxHWVideoDecode=1 to /etc/adobe/mms.cfg |
| 18:23.50 | logan0405 | okay thank you hexnewbie I'll try that and a few other things in mms.cfg |
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| 18:24.37 | yoLo_ | greycat: think of it this way, i'm no debian genius to be login in using xdm or kde or whatever there might be... i'm always logged in simply into debian GUI interface |
| 18:24.46 | greycat | yoLo_: *which one* |
| 18:25.04 | greycat | Fuck it. Let's shotgun this crap. |
| 18:25.09 | abrotman | xdm and kde aren't the same kind of thing .. |
| 18:25.40 | yoLo_ | ........... greycat how many are there ? |
| 18:25.45 | greycat | yoLo_: AD ROOT: for f in /home/ned/stm/gcc-arm-none-eabi-4_9-2015q2/bin/*; do ln -s "$f" /usr/local/bin/; done |
| 18:25.49 | hexnewbie | yoLo_: A few dozen |
| 18:25.52 | greycat | AS* |
| 18:26.03 | yoLo_ | hexnewbie: name me the default one |
| 18:26.09 | greycat | Idiot. |
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| 18:26.52 | hexnewbie | yoLo_: I wouldn't know, TBH |
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| 18:27.13 | greycat | judd: popcon gdm |
| 18:27.14 | judd | Popcon data for gdm: inst: 1976, vote: 947, old: 1015, recent: 13, nofiles: 1 |
| 18:27.17 | yoLo_ | greycat: i'm no idiot, you guys seriously make things soo complicated than it should |
| 18:27.18 | greycat | judd: popcon kdm |
| 18:27.19 | judd | Popcon data for kdm: inst: 15980, vote: 11162, old: 2796, recent: 2015, nofiles: 7 |
| 18:27.30 | greycat | Wow. |
| 18:27.36 | jelly | gdm3, kdm, lightdm, slim, xdm, .... |
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| 18:27.51 | greycat | yoLo_: looks like kdm is about 8 times as popular as gdm. Whether those are the most common two, I have no idea, but I suspect they're near the top. |
| 18:27.52 | jelly | nodm is a dm as well |
| 18:28.03 | jelly | ,popcon gdm3 |
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| 18:28.04 | judd | Popcon data for gdm3: inst: 51194, vote: 35046, old: 8747, recent: 7358, nofiles: 43 |
| 18:28.11 | yoLo_ | i use gdm |
| 18:28.12 | greycat | oh, are you KIDDING me |
| 18:28.20 | greycat | they changed the package name...?! |
| 18:28.22 | jelly | greycat: it has a 3 since wheezy |
| 18:28.29 | jelly | reasons! |
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| 18:28.40 | yoLo_ | besides that's what debian it currently in when installing in graphical mode unless i'm wrong |
| 18:28.49 | greycat | yoLo_: AS ROOT: for f in /home/ned/stm/gcc-arm-none-eabi-4_9-2015q2/bin/*; do ln -s "$f" /usr/local/bin/; done |
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| 18:28.59 | nmschulte | I recently stopped using a DM. :/ |
| 18:29.06 | greycat | Do that and you won't have to fuck with dot files and configs and *dm crap. |
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| 18:29.54 | greycat | I still do NOT recommend putting programs for system-wide use in users' home directories, but you aren't listening to anything anyone says, so.... |
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| 18:30.58 | nmschulte | I would also recommend against installing bits meant to be used system-wide in a user's home; use /usr or /usr/local ... |
| 18:31.07 | nmschulte | That's exactly what it's there for. |
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| 18:31.49 | hexnewbie | yoLo_: .xsessionrc seems to be sourced in /etc/X11/Xsession - which means that putting it there *MIGHT* work. I know it does not work on some DEs on Debian derivate distros, so I can't guarantee anything |
| 18:31.56 | hexnewbie | yoLo_: Works for me though |
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| 18:32.24 | hexnewbie | (That is - it works in KDM/KDE) |
| 18:32.29 | greycat | Symlinking all of the programs into /usr/local/bin/ is going to work no matter how he logs in. |
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| 18:33.14 | andril | is there any way to cool down my laptop running Jessie? |
| 18:33.19 | nmschulte | greycat: depends on the program though, no? It could expect files to be in certain locations, etc. |
| 18:33.24 | nmschulte | andril: check out powertop |
| 18:33.37 | andril | thanks nmschulte |
| 18:33.56 | greycat | nmschulte: in that case, adding /home/foo/bar/bin to PATH is probably also going to fail. |
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| 18:34.14 | andril | its installed |
| 18:34.20 | hexnewbie | andril: Besides powertop, closing icedove and iceweasel helps :) |
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| 18:34.25 | nmschulte | let me know if you find anything else; I'm not sure how well powertop works, I've just been executing its `--auto-tune` option (turns everything to "good"), and it seems to be noticably increase my battery life. Doesn't really make the machine run cooler though. |
| 18:34.45 | andril | hexnewbie, how about chrome/ |
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| 18:35.41 | hexnewbie | andril: I was half-joking. I haven't used Chrome enough to tell if it affects battery life significantly though. Iceweasel/Firefox tends to start my fans. |
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| 18:35.55 | nmschulte | powertop will tell you what processes are causing wakeups / etc. |
| 18:36.17 | nmschulte | chromium is at the top of my list currently, followd by compton and virtualbox |
| 18:37.29 | jodiendo | Question? I just finish installing debian LXDE on my notebook. But since the drivers for my WIFI are not free is asking to download bcm 43xx-o.fw files. This files are non-free but I dont know ow to change my synaptic default to install them |
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| 18:38.12 | hexnewbie | andril: powertop also lets you tweak some powersaving settings on hardware, including things like the powersaving of your mouse dongle. If you have something that is configured to overconsume, it might be there. |
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| 18:38.45 | teraflops | Disable js and see if web browsers make your fan suffering |
| 18:39.14 | nmschulte | jodiendo: you need to ensure your apt configuration has the non-free archive enabled, and then the packages should work just like any other. |
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| 18:39.37 | nmschulte | teraflops: I write JS for a living. :/ |
| 18:39.45 | jodiendo | how do you enable them? |
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| 18:40.20 | hexnewbie | nmschulte: So do I sometimes, and I still have NoScript with limited number of exceptions :) |
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| 18:40.47 | nmschulte | !dpkg tell jodiendo non-free sources |
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| 18:40.54 | teraflops | nmschulte: well i dont blame js itself. The abuse of it is what I blame |
| 18:40.58 | andril | t maybe the gpu |
| 18:41.16 | nmschulte | sounds like I'm in a good position to try and rectify that, at least for my own code. |
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| 18:42.44 | andril | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GF108GLM [NVS 5200M] (rev a1) coming up as INtel Ivy Bridge |
| 18:43.10 | jodiendo | nmschulte the non free file is BRCM/BCM 43XX-O.FW |
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| 18:44.57 | nmschulte | jodiendo: firmware-brcm80211 I think? |
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| 18:45.07 | jodiendo | yes |
| 18:45.10 | edward__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:45.12 | nmschulte | not sure. I moved away from the bcm43xx driver because it sucks. |
| 18:45.31 | greycat | edward__: the size. But don't use either one! Use a net install image. |
| 18:45.33 | jodiendo | I understand bu for know is what I got |
| 18:45.36 | nmschulte | or at least supported my card rather terribly. |
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| 18:46.12 | jodiendo | how and what you change it? |
| 18:46.30 | jodiendo | where I ment |
| 18:46.42 | edward__ | greycat: whats different in net install image ? i get to download the latest packages from internet? |
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| 18:47.01 | nmschulte | When I purchased a new machine I bought an Intel Dual Band Wireless-Ac 7260 Plus Bluetooth |
| 18:47.02 | greycat | !netinst |
| 18:47.03 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
| 18:47.21 | nmschulte | jodiendo: how and where do you change what? |
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| 18:48.23 | jodiendo | I ment to say? Edit /etc/apt/sources.list where and how. |
| 18:49.03 | jodiendo | synaptic how do you edit? |
| 18:49.11 | nmschulte | jodiendo: using a text file editor (you'll need superuser/root permissions to do so), you edit the file as described in that reference |
| 18:49.50 | jodiendo | ok Im already a super user |
| 18:50.02 | nmschulte | then fire up your favorite text editor and edit that file |
| 18:50.15 | greycat | jodiendo: if you don't *know* any unix text editors yet, nano is simple. |
| 18:50.30 | jodiendo | ok ok I dont know |
| 18:50.47 | nmschulte | nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 18:53.32 | jodiendo | I have uxterm and xterm no nano is that is the right terminal? |
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| 18:53.51 | greycat | nano is a text editor, not a terminal |
| 18:53.59 | greycat | a text editor runs *in* a terminal |
| 18:54.01 | jodiendo | ok trying again |
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| 18:54.42 | jodiendo | ok im inside |
| 18:54.55 | nmschulte | jodiendo: do you know what desktop environment you're running (if any)? Gnome, KDE, LXDE, XFCE, ... ? |
| 18:55.13 | jodiendo | yes lxde |
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| 18:55.40 | nmschulte | jodiendo: you should see a line in that file that looks like: deb http://debina.mirrors.tds.net/debian/ jessie main |
| 18:56.14 | nmschulte | add "non-free" at the end of that line (or all of them that look similar); make sure you add a space between whatever it follows. |
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| 18:57.06 | jodiendo | im inside nano already. What is next, you are going fast for me. Im a new guy |
| 18:57.32 | nmschulte | did you open a file with nano? |
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| 18:57.40 | jodiendo | yes sir |
| 18:57.58 | nmschulte | you should see a bunch of text in front of you then (the file that you are editing) |
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| 18:58.23 | nmschulte | in that text, you should see a line like I described; assuming you do, you should edit it like I described. |
| 18:58.29 | greycat | move the cursor around with the arrow keys and make the changes you want |
| 18:59.08 | nmschulte | (just like Microsoft Word, but without a mouse) |
| 18:59.14 | greycat | The help menu at the bottom uses shorthand like ^X to mean Ctrl-X |
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| 19:01.41 | jodiendo | my text editor is open, it says GNU NANO, It has 14 commands in the bottom? what is next? |
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| 19:01.56 | greycat | move the cursor around with the arrow keys and make the changes you want |
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| 19:02.08 | greycat | when you're ready to save press Ctrl-X (as it says at the bottom, ^X) |
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| 19:05.16 | fennesz | Hello guys ! With systemd-analyze blame I get : 5.796s NetworkManager-wait-online.service . Can anyone help me find the reason for such delay ? |
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| 19:16.16 | no_gravity | What is your favorite irc client in the debian repos? |
| 19:16.31 | bieyeik2aX | Hello, after reading this https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=726500 , I want to ask if there is any possible way to install fglrx-legacy-driver in debian jessie?. |
| 19:16.32 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/726500 in fglrx-legacy-driver (closed, upstream, wontfix): «fglrx-legacy-driver: does not support Xorg Xserver 1.13 or later»; severity: serious; opened: 2013-10-16; last modified: 2015-06-23. |
| 19:16.36 | bieyeik2aX | hexchat |
| 19:16.57 | bieyeik2aX | ok judd |
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| 19:18.00 | bieyeik2aX | I am installed debian jessie on a notebook with ATI Radeon 4200, how do I know what video driver is enabled? |
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| 19:18.19 | Caplain | trying to figure out how to install af_alg and no luck |
| 19:18.30 | Caplain | google implies that it should be included in the kernel |
| 19:18.33 | Caplain | but alas, no |
| 19:19.16 | greycat | bieyeik2aX: it will normally be somewhere in the incredibly verbose output in /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 19:19.21 | qpst | im having kind of a strange problem. cannot connect to anything with http or https in front of it |
| 19:19.24 | nmschulte | NoImNotNineVolt: irssi |
| 19:19.34 | nmschulte | :( |
| 19:19.45 | bieyeik2aX | thank greycat |
| 19:20.04 | qpst | running debian and this all started happening immediately after commenting a line in the hosts file. changed that back now but still cant connect to anything with those prefixes |
| 19:20.45 | qpst | ping www.google.com or any ip works, ping http://www.google.com gives me unknown host |
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| 19:21.16 | Spec | qpst: you don't ping http:// |
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| 19:21.21 | greycat | well, that's not a valid hostname |
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| 19:21.51 | greycat | if you want to test the connection to port 80 by hand, use telnet www.google.com 80 |
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| 19:26.51 | jhutchins | qpst: You can't ping a URL. |
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| 19:27.55 | qpst | yeah seems you're right |
| 19:28.15 | qpst | its not ping that was givin me the issue, but thought i figured out that was the root cause of it :) |
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| 19:31.34 | jodiendo | question? What is the command to verify the WIFI card you have inside the notebook. I believe the BCM 43xx-o.fw is not matching my Lenovo WIFI card |
| 19:32.19 | warchild | hey i have a question that i suspect is kernel related i am hoping someone can help with |
| 19:32.56 | jodiendo | I edit the symnaptic to accept non-free files, download but it does not accept the files in question |
| 19:33.04 | warchild | i am experiencing significant slowdown after a usb device has been plugged in for an extended amount of time |
| 19:33.18 | warchild | anywhere from one hour to ~48 hours |
| 19:33.18 | greycat | jodiendo: after editing /etc/apt/sources.list you must run apt-get update |
| 19:33.36 | warchild | the system remains slow after the device is unplugged |
| 19:33.45 | warchild | top shows nothing out of the ordinary |
| 19:33.53 | jodiendo | I did sir but the file is not working those files are not the ones. |
| 19:33.54 | warchild | iowait is ~1% i believe |
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| 19:34.23 | nmschulte | jodiendo: lspci and lsusb can be used to confirm the attached WiFi card, depending on the bust it's attached to |
| 19:34.24 | warchild | perf shows a bit of time spent in libc memsets but i don't think that is the issue |
| 19:34.31 | nmschulte | s/bust/bus/ |
| 19:34.42 | teraflops | jodiendo: your nick is silly and rude ... |
| 19:34.46 | jodiendo | ok sir |
| 19:34.54 | warchild | any ideas on what is causing this and how to recover without rebooting? |
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| 19:35.42 | nmschulte | lol, I learned something. |
| 19:36.05 | jodiendo | teraflop so is legalizing marriage same sex, you are entitle to your opinion and nobody ask for it. In other words mind your business mr |
| 19:36.31 | nmschulte | this is a public forum |
| 19:36.37 | Slumlord_ | lol |
| 19:36.39 | nmschulte | we don't have to welcome you |
| 19:36.48 | Slumlord_ | duke it out |
| 19:37.13 | greycat | Let's keep the politics out of this channel, please. |
| 19:37.16 | nmschulte | ^ |
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| 19:41.21 | jodiendo | done and said! If people don't like my nick is their problem not mines, but I did not started the negative argument. |
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| 19:42.17 | jodiendo | respectfully, I will stay with my nick . |
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| 19:51.06 | teraflops | just for information jodiendo means fucking just literal translation |
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| 19:51.34 | greycat | *nod* (in Spanish) |
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| 19:51.59 | greycat | I didn't think it was helpful to drag the conversation on any further, though. |
| 19:52.07 | SpeccyMan | is remarkably indifferent to the whole thing |
| 19:52.21 | knivsta | hey does Network Manager need a user with SUDO rights to run OpenVPN well? or is it a myth? |
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| 19:54.47 | jodiendo | Mr teraflops |
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| 19:56.36 | teraflops | jodiendo: please do not get this conversation further |
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| 19:57.24 | BluesKaj | teraflops, a poor self image and low self esteem seem to go together with that kind of nick |
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| 19:59.05 | jodiendo | Mr. Teraflops, someone dear to you told me that you only take a bath only in saturdays, meaning once a week! Is that true? and you do wash your teeth once a week? Dammed boy! you must a great asshol# to others and your self.. This just a reminder to all of your greatness. Please pass on the information |
| 19:59.32 | nkuttler | !ops jodiendo trolling |
| 19:59.32 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: nkuttler complains about: jodiendo trolling |
| 20:00.03 | greycat | Everyone, just move on. Talk about Debian, or wait for a question. |
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| 20:00.18 | BluesKaj | good bye jodiendo |
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| 20:00.47 | warchild | i still have a question if anyone has any ideas |
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| 20:01.22 | abrotman | wtf |
| 20:01.24 | abrotman | warchild: continue |
| 20:01.44 | Tau | hello guys i have a tablet and a usb cable. i have internet from a ethernet board and i would like share internet from my laptop to my tablet through usb. |
| 20:01.48 | Tau | how could i achieve that? |
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| 20:02.29 | warchild | i am experiencing system slowdown after a usb device has been plugged in for an extended period of time |
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| 20:02.33 | warchild | 1~48 hours |
| 20:02.51 | warchild | top shows nothing out of the ordinary, iowait is ~15 |
| 20:02.58 | warchild | err ~1% |
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| 20:03.13 | warchild | dropping caches doesn't help |
| 20:03.13 | knivsta | jelly, hey does Network Manager need a user with SUDO rights to run OpenVPN well? or is it a myth? |
| 20:03.24 | warchild | and the system remains slow after the device is removed |
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| 20:04.13 | nkuttler | warchild: what kind of device, anything in dmesg/syslog, stock kernel? |
| 20:04.16 | warchild | i'm wondering if anyone has advice on how to recover without restarting every time as it is starting to get kind of irritating |
| 20:04.21 | warchild | no nothing is dmesg |
| 20:04.54 | warchild | the device is one we build in-house that is hooked up to jtag as well but this is a new problem that has developed over the past two weeks or so |
| 20:05.16 | abrotman | warchild: whta's in dmesg ? |
| 20:05.35 | warchild | not much, i can post it |
| 20:05.37 | warchild | one sec |
| 20:06.10 | BluesKaj | interesting, the nouveau driver handles OpenGL 3.1 quite welll on jessie |
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| 20:06.27 | dschense | hi @all |
| 20:06.36 | Tau | i have installed network-manager-gnome and it doesnt seem to have a working command on shell. |
| 20:06.39 | Tau | i'm using i3. |
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| 20:06.46 | Tau | it seems listed as installed. |
| 20:07.03 | nkuttler | Tau: nmcli? |
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| 20:07.54 | Tau | okay i have a nmcli. |
| 20:08.06 | Tau | i was expecting some graphical interface though. |
| 20:08.09 | dschense | i have a problem with iptables for steamcmd - have a test machin with debian 7 headless. ive setup ajenti fail2ban and iptables. i cant get steamcmd to connect to servers |
| 20:08.18 | nkuttler | Tau: network-manager-<tab><tab> |
| 20:08.50 | nkuttler | Tau: or dpkg -L <package> |
| 20:09.07 | nkuttler | fwiw, i think it's nm-applet |
| 20:09.22 | Tau | i tried network-manager<tab> however it didnt appear nothing. |
| 20:09.29 | Tau | nm-applet doesnt display on i3. |
| 20:09.32 | Tau | for some reason. |
| 20:09.37 | nkuttler | Tau: see also /usr/share/doc/network-manager-gnome |
| 20:09.41 | warchild | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/LAPXMyy6 |
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| 20:09.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | warchild, try different kernel versions, maybe? |
| 20:09.48 | nkuttler | Tau: ah. sounds like i3 doesn't have a systray area |
| 20:10.07 | Tau | i see. |
| 20:10.13 | warchild | yeah that is about the point i'm at, i can't figure out wtf is stealing cycles |
| 20:10.20 | warchild | perf isn't showing anything either |
| 20:10.23 | mnrmnaugh | nmtui. its called nmtui, for Network Manager Text User Interface. and as far as i can tell it doesnt exist on debian. grumble |
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| 20:10.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | warchild, probably quite tedious... but maybe it's a regression... and if you can find the kernel- version-change that this occurs at... that may be half-way to a real fix |
| 20:10.57 | nkuttler | mnrmnaugh: it sure does |
| 20:11.09 | nkuttler | mnrmnaugh: Tau wasn't looking for a tui though |
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| 20:11.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | warchild, how do you determine there's a slow-down? |
| 20:12.09 | warchild | system becomes unresponsive, it takes multiple seconds for it to process anything |
| 20:12.10 | mnrmnaugh | nkuttler, whats it called? i been diggin around for literally months. i knew it had to be somehwere |
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| 20:12.20 | dschense | this is my iptables.up.rules.ajenti |
| 20:12.22 | nkuttler | mnrmnaugh: nmtui |
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| 20:12.28 | mnrmnaugh | lies |
| 20:12.30 | dschense | http://pastebin.com/tWQjCSn9 |
| 20:12.30 | mnrmnaugh | .... |
| 20:12.34 | warchild | i have tried killing x and restarting it so i'm pretty sure its not a graphics issue |
| 20:12.45 | abrotman | warchild: it just reattached itself? |
| 20:12.48 | nkuttler | !tell mnrmnaugh about apt-file |
| 20:12.55 | warchild | switching desktops with xfce takes 20~30 seconds |
| 20:13.33 | warchild | no i did a mon-reset through gdb with jtag |
| 20:13.38 | dschense | when i add the ports to the iptables file for steamcmd i also get the cant login failture |
| 20:13.39 | dschense | iptables -A INPUT -p udp -m udp --sport 27000:27030 --dport 1025:65355 -j ACCEPT |
| 20:13.39 | dschense | iptables -A INPUT -p udp -m udp --sport 4380 --dport 1025:65355 -j ACCEPT |
| 20:13.45 | mnrmnaugh | i dont have apt-file... huh? |
| 20:14.02 | Tau | i was looking for a way to share internet from my laptop to my tablet through usb. |
| 20:14.07 | warchild | it got slow around 11:20 and i pulled the cord at 11:30 or so |
| 20:14.12 | Tau | i have internet on my laptop i would like to use it on my tablet. |
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| 20:14.32 | warchild | literally nothing in the dmesg from when it occured and i was in a meeting so the system wasn't getting used |
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| 20:15.20 | warchild | CutMeOwnThroat: I would like to identify the regression but sadly I don't think my boss would appreciate it too much :D |
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| 20:16.01 | dschense | can anybody help me with this ? its driving me crazy... |
| 20:16.28 | nkuttler | dschense: what's steamcmd anyway? |
| 20:16.51 | dschense | https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/SteamCMD |
| 20:17.06 | dschense | its the download and update client for dedicated gameserver with valve steam . |
| 20:17.16 | mnrmnaugh | oic. need to install apt-file. why cant we just have one name for the freaking thing, and then just 10 million flags.... |
| 20:17.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | warchild, hmm, maybe try periodically running some mini-benchmark that should take only a couple of seconds? |
| 20:17.18 | nkuttler | dschense: well, considering it is not in debian you should probably ask valve for support |
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| 20:17.59 | nkuttler | mnrmnaugh: you don't have to install apt-file. you could just use it to verify the program is indeed in debian |
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| 20:18.03 | dschense | its in debian ;) the client is running well on vm .. my iptables setup is driving me crazy.. its running well, but seems to block the steam ports |
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| 20:18.42 | nkuttler | dschense: which package provides it? |
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| 20:19.24 | nkuttler | judd: find nmtui |
| 20:19.27 | judd | Search for nmtui in jessie/amd64: network-manager: usr/bin/nmtui |
| 20:19.41 | dschense | its not a problem with the package... i need help for the iptables.. the story with the valve package is just for the backgroud .. i need help with iptables to open ports.. thas all.. i cant find my fault. |
| 20:20.05 | warchild | interesting i think the system clock slows as well |
| 20:20.10 | nkuttler | dschense: ah well. iptables --flush i guess.. or how did you close ports in the first place? |
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| 20:20.29 | warchild | i'm not sure how clock() would respond at this point tbh |
| 20:20.37 | dschense | nkuttler: http://pastebin.com/tWQjCSn9 |
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| 20:20.50 | dschense | this is my iptables.up.rules.ajenti config |
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| 20:21.16 | warchild | the kernel usually hangs on trying to sync the system time after this happens and I attempt to reboot |
| 20:21.18 | nkuttler | dschense: anyway. i'd start by flushing the rules to make sure your.. app works at all |
| 20:21.25 | mnrmnaugh | ok. now im super confuse. i have nmtui now..... didnt a week ago. |
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| 20:21.34 | mnrmnaugh | w/e im hapy now |
| 20:21.35 | nkuttler | mnrmnaugh: unlikely |
| 20:21.45 | mnrmnaugh | lookin right at it |
| 20:21.54 | dschense | its working without iptables.. already tested |
| 20:22.16 | dschense | without fail2ban and iptables setup everything is working well |
| 20:22.34 | chreuben | systemd 220 gives errors that 215 did not (on Stretch, for me, at least) â â"failed to mount cgroup at /sys/fs/cgroup/systemd â not such file or directoryââ â has anyone else encountered this? |
| 20:22.43 | nkuttler | dschense: so enabling fail2ban leads to the program not working as expected? |
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| 20:22.54 | mallxs | dschense: so what is the port you use for streamcmd ? |
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| 20:23.12 | dschense | https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/SteamCMD#Login_Failure:_No_Connection |
| 20:23.27 | dschense | the wiki tells to open these: |
| 20:23.28 | dschense | iptables -A INPUT -p udp -m udp --sport 27000:27030 --dport 1025:65355 -j ACCEPT |
| 20:23.28 | dschense | iptables -A INPUT -p udp -m udp --sport 4380 --dport 1025:65355 -j ACCEPT |
| 20:24.29 | mallxs | dschense: and did you put tat before the -A INPUT -j DROP # Any ? |
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| 20:25.35 | dschense | mallxs yes i did |
| 20:25.41 | soulEscaper | hey I have a quick question about the mirrorlist |
| 20:25.44 | soulEscaper | I have |
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| 20:25.47 | dschense | thats to problem.. i dont understand whats wrong. |
| 20:25.52 | soulEscaper | deb http://ftp.be.debian.org/debian/ jessie main |
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| 20:26.01 | soulEscaper | deb-src http://ftp.be.debian.org/debian/ jessie main |
| 20:26.11 | soulEscaper | deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ jessie main contrib non-free |
| 20:26.16 | nkuttler | soulEscaper: paste.debian.net |
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| 20:26.25 | mallxs | dschense: it is not in you Pastbin |
| 20:27.24 | dschense | sorry.. this was the pastebin before i add the lines. |
| 20:27.27 | dschense | 1sec |
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| 20:28.49 | dschense | http://pastebin.com/G52AHceh |
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| 20:30.02 | soulEscaper | http://paste.debian.net/266778/ |
| 20:30.07 | dschense | the two lines are before -A INPUT -j DROP # Any |
| 20:30.28 | soulEscaper | can I delete line 16 and put contrib non-free behind line 5 and 6?? |
| 20:30.59 | nkuttler | !tell soulEscaper about jessie sources.list |
| 20:31.31 | nkuttler | soulEscaper: i'd keep 16, and you can add contrib/nonfree wherever you like |
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| 20:31.49 | nkuttler | soulEscaper: i'd remove line 5+6 though |
| 20:32.34 | mallxs | dschense: remove the -A OUTPUT -j DROP # Any line or also open ports for OUTPU |
| 20:33.09 | dschense | same two lines ffor OUTPUT ? |
| 20:33.36 | dschense | change -A INPUT to -A OUTPUT ? |
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| 20:34.22 | mallxs | dschense: first try by removing the -A OUTPUT -j DROP # Any line then check your docs for what port to open for OUTPUT |
| 20:34.57 | dschense | okay, will try |
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| 20:38.48 | dschense | mallxs: i removed the lines, but still cant connect :( |
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| 20:39.18 | Tau | i need some alternative to network manager. |
| 20:39.22 | Tau | that works with i3. |
| 20:40.07 | nkuttler | Tau: nm-applet should just work if you have a tray |
| 20:40.26 | nkuttler | and i3 does by default |
| 20:40.44 | Tau | this is kind of odd. |
| 20:40.46 | nkuttler | i3bar. if that is launched by default |
| 20:40.48 | Tau | i get it when i try nm-applet. |
| 20:40.57 | nkuttler | you get what? |
| 20:41.32 | Tau | http://codepad.org/68aCuTEA |
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| 20:41.57 | nkuttler | GConf Error: No D-BUS daemon running |
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| 20:43.10 | nkuttler | Tau: um.. are you also trying to run that as root? |
| 20:43.46 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:43.58 | nkuttler | yeah. don't. use gksu or somesuch |
| 20:44.00 | Tau | when i run as not root |
| 20:44.05 | Tau | it just hangs. |
| 20:44.10 | Tau | i cant see no icon on the i3. |
| 20:44.27 | Tau | and i get it |
| 20:44.37 | nkuttler | yeah, the applet needs privileges, and you can't just run x apps as root |
| 20:45.07 | nkuttler | Tau: install + configure gksu, and gksu nm-applet |
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| 20:45.45 | nkuttler | Tau: and/or /usr/share/doc/network-manager-gnome/README.Debian |
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| 20:47.06 | Tau | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:47.10 | Tau | i'll just go to gnome |
| 20:47.13 | Tau | and see what happens |
| 20:47.15 | Tau | :( |
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| 20:57.42 | logan0405 | anyone here have flashplayer hardware acceleration working with its latest version? |
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| 21:02.30 | mnrmnaugh | nkuttler, heh, i just now noticed the dpkg tab with that loverly infomessage. damn hexchat y u no make new window! |
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| 21:13.57 | xanthippe | is it possible to include a firmware package in the preseed installer? |
| 21:14.04 | xanthippe | or do I have to put it inside the initrd |
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| 21:16.05 | Behruz | My tablet only works with kernel 3.5 or higher;But when i'm booting with kernel 3.5 in debian jessie, krita 2.8 has rear things and tend to crash.and blender says:Gen6+ requires Kernel 3.6 or later. Wich kernel is good for that? and how can i get specific kernel version? |
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| 21:18.16 | srg | Xfce4 has startup options "Launch GNOME services on startup" and "Launch KDE services on startup" - How can I tell what these services are? I imagine Gnome and KDE software installs some startup script in a certain dir? |
| 21:18.45 | i00nsu | Hi ali, does anyone can tell me about using msdos programs to test hardware through COM ports? |
| 21:18.50 | valdyn | Behruz: why dont you use the jessie kernel as shipped by default? |
| 21:19.57 | valdyn | i00nsu: have you looked up if dosemu can hook up to the physical serial port? |
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| 21:20.27 | Behruz | valdyn:It doesn't know my pressure sensibility.My table brand as i see in internet works only with kernel 3.5 or higher |
| 21:20.43 | valdyn | Behruz: the default kernel is higher |
| 21:20.55 | i00nsu | Not really. .. i Will check it . Thanks |
| 21:21.11 | SuperTramp83 | default is 3.16 |
| 21:22.01 | Behruz | valdyn:But it listed in my boot loader as 3.2,3.1 and so |
| 21:22.40 | SuperTramp83 | 3.2 is the default on wheezy |
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| 21:24.40 | Behruz | when i'm with either 3.2 or 3.1 i don't have pressure sensibility.But with 3.5 i have pressure sensibility but krita and blender don't work. |
| 21:25.27 | smokeysea | does freenode and oftc have some link? |
| 21:25.37 | jelly | knivsta: I don't use NetworkManager |
| 21:25.44 | smokeysea | with respective to Debian especially ? |
| 21:26.01 | nkuttler | !tell smokeysea about oftc move |
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| 21:28.33 | smokeysea | nkuttler: thanks |
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| 21:29.46 | smokeysea | which also means people here have deb-exp of at least 10 years now :D |
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| 21:42.39 | slute | hello |
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| 21:45.00 | Pinchiukas | I have "2015-06-29 06:39:35,102 INFO Allowed origins are: ['o=Debian,a=jessie-security', 'o=Debian,a=jessie-updates', 'o=Debian,a=jessie/updates'] |
| 21:45.16 | Pinchiukas | But unattended-upgrades for some reason isn't upgrading "tzdata". Why is that? |
| 21:45.58 | Pinchiukas | "apt-get upgrade" does suggest to upgrade it however. |
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| 21:50.38 | SuperTramp83 | Pinchiukas: did you try apt dist-upgrade ? |
| 21:50.49 | Pinchiukas | SuperTramp83: what do you mean? |
| 21:51.31 | SuperTramp83 | well that command might upgrade those suggested |
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| 21:51.49 | Pinchiukas | I want unattended-upgrades to do it and it's not doing it. |
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| 21:52.40 | SuperTramp83 | oh I see |
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| 21:53.55 | SuperTramp83 | I missed the part "unattended".. Don't know how to do that. I update manually. |
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| 21:55.36 | Tau | hello. |
| 21:55.41 | Tau | i need some help here buddies. |
| 21:55.53 | Kayla | with? |
| 21:56.06 | Tau | i want to turn my wireless card into a wireless router so i can use internet coming from my eth0 ethernet card. |
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| 21:58.02 | doesntmatter | hey. Im conduncting a ping sweep on my lan. Does nmap sends probes to my own machine or it assumes it is alive =? |
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| 21:58.13 | doesntmatter | i dont see anything on - |
| 21:58.17 | doesntmatter | --packet-trace |
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| 22:09.44 | linuxd | how could I modify this circuit to include a blinking LED? http://www.lirc.org/receivers.html |
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| 22:14.59 | linuxd | how could I modify this circuit to include a blinking LED? http://www.lirc.org/receivers.html |
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| 22:15.24 | acz32 | can debian sleep on a system without swap? |
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| 22:15.54 | acz32 | i suspect my system isn't actually going to sleep because when i lift the laptop lid the lock screen appears too quickly |
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| 22:17.55 | nkuttler | acz32: you don't need swap to suspend/hibernate |
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| 22:18.44 | nkuttler | linuxd: try ##hardware ? |
| 22:19.01 | nkuttler | ##electronics even |
| 22:19.17 | linuxd | nkuttler: ok,thanx a lot |
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| 22:19.34 | acz32 | then this page is incorrect https://wiki.debian.org/Swap |
| 22:19.59 | acz32 | it seems to claim you need it to suspend under 1. |
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| 22:28.16 | nkuttler | acz32: my bad, you need one for hibernation, but not suspending (to ram) |
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| 22:30.45 | Kayla | hello |
| 22:30.55 | maazu | hi |
| 22:30.55 | Kayla | i am trying to donwload an ide on my machine |
| 22:30.58 | Kayla | it already has gcc |
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| 22:34.53 | dondelelcaro | Kayla: which IDE do you want? |
| 22:35.29 | dondelelcaro | Kayla: emacs and eclipse are two fairly popular ones |
| 22:35.35 | dondelelcaro | (and I suppose vim is as well) |
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| 22:35.52 | maazu | dondelelcaro: are you trying to influence kayla? |
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| 22:36.52 | abrotman | Anjuta is another for gtk-ish folks |
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| 22:37.42 | Kayla | eclipse |
| 22:37.54 | FLHerne | KDevelop is good too :-) |
| 22:37.56 | maazu | Kayla: can i influence your decision? |
| 22:38.00 | Kayla | i dont knkow how to use vim and emacs |
| 22:38.59 | abrotman | Kayla: So what isn't working? |
| 22:39.40 | Kayla | well i made a program in leafpad, its on my desktop |
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| 22:39.54 | Kayla | when i compile by gcc 1.c -o 1 |
| 22:40.00 | Kayla | i dont get any out put just jumps to next line |
| 22:40.15 | Kayla | oh nvm |
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| 22:40.47 | Kayla | which ide do you reccomend maazu |
| 22:41.14 | maazu | depends on what i'm going to write... say a KDE app, then Kdevelop |
| 22:41.34 | Kayla | kde like the ui? |
| 22:41.34 | maazu | otherwise something that is light in install size would be nice, like vim |
| 22:41.46 | Kayla | vim looked tricky to use though |
| 22:41.50 | Kayla | will vim spell check errors |
| 22:42.02 | abrotman | Kayla: Every editor/IDE is going tohave a learning curve |
| 22:42.05 | maazu | Kayla: i'm more towards learning a programming lang than full blown kitchen-sink developer |
| 22:42.21 | Amarande | Kayla: are you new to the linux command line? |
| 22:42.29 | Kayla | yes this is my first distro |
| 22:42.39 | maazu | giggles |
| 22:42.51 | Kayla | why does everyone do that |
| 22:43.16 | maazu | nm, so what are your goals? |
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| 22:44.01 | Kayla | short term goals are |
| 22:44.05 | Kayla | c and node.js |
| 22:44.08 | Kayla | but first c |
| 22:44.09 | Kayla | and linux |
| 22:44.19 | maazu | vim |
| 22:44.29 | maazu | ooh, codeblocks! |
| 22:44.33 | abrotman | !enter |
| 22:44.33 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 22:44.47 | minitrue | Kayla: vimsheet.com |
| 22:45.15 | Kayla | will vim catch my errors? |
| 22:45.32 | Kayla | like syntax |
| 22:46.12 | maazu | vim will just allow you to write stuff, to compile your proggie you will need a terminal and to catch errors you need gdb, batteries not included |
| 22:46.36 | Kayla | so can i use codeblocks then? |
| 22:46.49 | maazu | yeah |
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| 22:47.37 | Kayla | mmm |
| 22:47.40 | Kayla | install doesnt look easy |
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| 22:48.28 | maazu | you will need to apt-get key from codeblocks website |
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| 22:49.16 | Kayla | on thier website says |
| 22:49.22 | Kayla | i have to add lines to sources.list |
| 22:49.26 | maazu | yes |
| 22:49.29 | Kayla | where in my sources do i put them |
| 22:49.39 | abrotman | Kayla: I'd probably stick with Eclipse until you feel you have a good handle on the language syntax. Learning an editor and a programming language at the same time could be tricky |
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| 22:50.41 | Kayla | do i get the |
| 22:50.55 | Kayla | eclipse ide for c/c++ linux devs (includes incubating components) |
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| 22:51.10 | abrotman | Are you planning to learn C/C++? |
| 22:52.10 | Kayla | just c |
| 22:52.23 | abrotman | I regularly code in vi/vim, but it takes a bit of getting used to. It's well worth learning vi/emacs, but learn them correctly, do'nt just fumble over them. |
| 22:52.36 | abrotman | Kayla: then, sure .. try Eclipse |
| 22:53.41 | Kayla | ill just get vim :( |
| 22:53.44 | runlevl4_ | as a longtime developer I think it's prudent to learn the language syntax before delving into an IDE |
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| 22:54.54 | Kayla | is apt-get install vim? |
| 22:55.02 | babilen | emacs++ |
| 22:55.04 | maazu | vim-common |
| 22:55.15 | vandox | vim-full |
| 22:55.20 | maazu | erh... better ask dpkg for all the vim packs |
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| 22:56.27 | babilen | learn emacs with evil-mode (vim implementation) -- awesome modes for every language and nice vim keybindings and textobjects for every conceivable language |
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| 22:56.49 | Kayla | can you guys just help me install eclipse |
| 22:56.55 | Kayla | i dont have time to learn how to use an editor |
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| 22:57.06 | babilen | you do |
| 22:57.20 | runlevl4_ | um, Eclipse is going to be much more convoluted than vim |
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| 22:57.26 | runlevl4_ | MUCH |
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| 22:57.41 | Kayla | does vim support libraries |
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| 22:58.08 | minitrue | Kayla: if you already know eclipse use eclipse, but if you dont know eclipse start with vim |
| 22:58.26 | Amarande | Kayla: I asked if you were new because you were surprised about the lack of output from gcc |
| 22:58.34 | Amarande | Kayla: that's going to be something you need to get used to on linux |
| 22:58.45 | Amarande | linux very much goes by a 'no news is good news' feedback model for the most part |
| 22:58.55 | Kayla | so i type |
| 22:59.02 | Kayla | apt-get install vim vim-rt? |
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| 22:59.31 | Kayla | or just apt-get install vim |
| 22:59.32 | Zerock | When in doubt, echo $? |
| 22:59.34 | Amarande | most command line programs on linux have very little or even no user feedback at all unless there is a fault |
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| 22:59.44 | Zerock | If echo $? is not 0, something went wrong. |
| 22:59.47 | Amarande | if you just get the command line back, that normally means the program did its job without error |
| 22:59.57 | Kayla | theres vim, vim-gtk and vim-rt |
| 22:59.58 | minitrue | only vim |
| 23:00.43 | Kayla | so apt-get install vim? |
| 23:00.45 | runlevl4_ | apt-get install -y vim |
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| 23:01.16 | rainfyre | or yes Kayla, apt-get install vim is fine too |
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| 23:01.52 | Kayla | the -y didnt work |
| 23:02.09 | rainfyre | *sudo apt-get install vim |
| 23:02.22 | rainfyre | it's apt-get -y install |
| 23:02.26 | rainfyre | that's why it didn't work |
| 23:02.37 | Kayla | ok so i have a text screen saying |
| 23:02.41 | Kayla | help poor children in uganda |
| 23:02.43 | Kayla | what do i do |
| 23:02.49 | runlevl4_ | sorry, i was just adding a sudo version :( |
| 23:02.57 | runlevl4_ | help them, of course |
| 23:02.59 | rainfyre | lol no worries runlevl4_ |
| 23:03.11 | runlevl4_ | it's the decent thing to do |
| 23:03.27 | Kayla | i dont know how to turn this thing on |
| 23:03.40 | rainfyre | type :q |
| 23:03.50 | rainfyre | and then run vimtutor to learn how to use vim |
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| 23:04.22 | rainfyre | not sure what you're trying to do, nano is a simpler text editor if you just need to edit a text file |
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| 23:05.22 | minitrue | rainfyre: she wants to code, |
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| 23:05.39 | minitrue | Kayla: if you already know how to use eclipse |
| 23:06.01 | Kayla | eclipse is just like |
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| 23:06.03 | Kayla | write some code |
| 23:06.06 | Kayla | build and compile |
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| 23:06.16 | minitrue | Kayla: but you have experience with eclipse? |
| 23:06.44 | runlevl4_ | to minitrue's point, if the answer is no than i don't think eclipse is where you want to start |
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| 23:07.33 | runlevl4_ | i know a lot of developers swear by it but i pride myself on the fact that i've built a 20-year career on never using eclipse until last year |
| 23:07.36 | minitrue | runlevl4_: +1 but, if she already know how to use eclipse :P a week trying to understand how to use vim installing plugins for autocomplete etc is not going to help her |
| 23:07.47 | r6ku | so let me get this straight. emacs has extensions for an irc client, a web browser and a multimedia(!) system for videos and music, wtf? |
| 23:08.11 | acz32 | r6ku: what's the problem? |
| 23:08.13 | runlevl4_ | minitrue: which means rainfyre is on it with nano. ;) |
| 23:08.14 | abrotman | Kayla: Try them all, choose the one you like. Can we move on to the next topic now? |
| 23:08.20 | rainfyre | Kayla: I'd learn vim in that case |
| 23:08.39 | Kayla | emacs can play music? |
| 23:08.47 | abrotman | ... |
| 23:08.53 | minitrue | Kayla: you can use mocp in your terminal |
| 23:09.04 | rainfyre | wow. eclipse boggles me. vim is a little slice of genius as far as I can tell, I absolutely love it |
| 23:09.15 | Kayla | ok let me read this guide |
| 23:09.26 | Kayla | i wish instead of hjkl they had up down left right |
| 23:09.41 | abrotman | It can |
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| 23:10.01 | runlevl4_ | arrow keys still work. but your fingers are already on the keyboard. why be inefficient and move them? |
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| 23:10.10 | Amarande | r6ku: emacs can do nearly anything |
| 23:10.10 | rainfyre | Kayla: googling 'vim tutorial' is useful, there are a couple great interactive vim teaching sites |
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| 23:10.30 | nebbia | hello everyone... i installed Debian with xfce |
| 23:10.36 | nebbia | Debian 8 testing... |
| 23:10.42 | rainfyre | nebbia, you have excellent taste |
| 23:10.56 | Amarande | r6ku: and what it can't do, it can do anyway, because emacs lisp scripts can invoke arbitrary shell commands |
| 23:10.58 | nebbia | thank you rainfyre |
| 23:11.04 | nebbia | anyway |
| 23:11.12 | Amarande | so essentially emacs has total access to anything your user account does |
| 23:11.15 | Amarande | that's why it's so powerful |
| 23:11.37 | nebbia | i can't understand how does debian manage at-boot scripts... i mean... i saw that it is using systemd |
| 23:11.43 | nebbia | but there are even the rc.0 rc.1 rc.2 directory |
| 23:11.47 | nebbia | *directories |
| 23:11.53 | nebbia | so how does it manage services ? |
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| 23:12.11 | nebbia | and how do i configure it to not let NetworkManager applet to start after boot ? |
| 23:12.51 | abrotman | starting the applet is fine, but you don't want it to manage devices? |
| 23:13.27 | Amarande | yeah there used to be reasons not to run NetworkManager but I'm not sure any are still valid |
| 23:13.38 | Amarande | the biggest one always used to be if you wanted to use static LAN IPs |
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| 23:13.54 | nebbia | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:14.13 | nebbia | i would like to know... where in the system it is written that the NetworkManager should start ... |
| 23:14.13 | Amarande | networkmanager used to hate that with a passion, unless you resorted to (and your router supported, or you disabled it and used a linux box as dhcp server) using dhcp reservations instead of static assignment on the target pc |
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| 23:14.50 | Kayla | what is normal mode in vim? |
| 23:14.52 | dgriffi | use wicd instead |
| 23:14.54 | nebbia | no no no no wait Amarande... i just wanted to know where and in which config file in debian there is written that networkmanager applet should start after boot |
| 23:15.06 | Amarande | nebbia: it runs from the script /etc/init.d/network-manager |
| 23:15.25 | Brigo | nebbia, are you using systemd or systemv? |
| 23:15.34 | nebbia | systemd |
| 23:15.38 | Kayla | does vim even do syntax correction? |
| 23:15.49 | nebbia | if i do a readlink on /sbin/init |
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| 23:15.53 | nebbia | it point to systemd |
| 23:15.57 | Amarande | Kayla: normal mode is for entering commands, you need to go into insert mode to actually type text |
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| 23:16.14 | nebbia | anyway this confuses me... since i don't understand where services should put ?? |
| 23:16.19 | Miesco | Hi. How do I install gem packages? |
| 23:16.20 | nebbia | there are the systemd folders |
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| 23:16.29 | nebbia | then there are rc.x folderrs |
| 23:16.45 | nebbia | and then there is /etc/init.d ... how many directories for servicess ??? |
| 23:16.45 | Amarande | Kayla: and this is where you learn to really be glad that you're using vim. do not use vi unless you like doing the whole bald head thing :) |
| 23:16.55 | nebbia | can somebody explain me the differences between these dirs ? |
| 23:17.13 | Amarande | you press 'i' from the normal (command) mode to insert text, and then you start typing like a normal text editor |
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| 23:17.29 | Amarande | (in vanilla vi, inserting text and appending text are distinct modes, and it is an effing pain in the ass) |
| 23:17.52 | nebbia | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:18.15 | Kayla | but vim wont tell me if i make syntax mistakes :( |
| 23:18.48 | Amarande | nebbia: not so much deprecated as obsolete |
| 23:19.11 | Amarande | nebbia: the use case for inetd has pretty much evaporated, and few if any modern services actually need it |
| 23:19.20 | vandox | rainfyre kayla: 'vimtutor' |
| 23:19.30 | acz32 | Kayla: come on, your questions aren't even debian related |
| 23:19.32 | Miesco | What is the recommended way to install ruby gems in debian? globally? |
| 23:19.33 | acz32 | just read up on it |
| 23:19.43 | r6ku | Amarande: coffee mode? I'm sold |
| 23:19.59 | Amarande | heh |
| 23:20.00 | Amarande | you know |
| 23:20.04 | nebbia | Amarande can you tell me the difference between /etc/init.d, /etc/rc.x, systemd services directories (i think /usr/lib/) |
| 23:20.07 | nebbia | ?? |
| 23:20.10 | Amarande | someone, maybe keurig, really needs to come out with a usb controllable coffee maker :) |
| 23:20.17 | abrotman | !ot |
| 23:20.17 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 23:20.31 | abrotman | Miesco: why would it be different than normal? |
| 23:20.36 | nebbia | !ot |
| 23:20.37 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 23:20.38 | Amarande | nebbia: /etc/init.d has the actual shell scripts that handle the launch and shutdown of the services themselves |
| 23:20.39 | Kayla | sorry |
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| 23:21.32 | Amarande | nebbia: /etc/rc*.d directories are symlinks to the shell scripts, named in a manner that tells systemv style init what order to run them, and whether it should start or stop the relevant service |
| 23:21.37 | Miesco | abrotman: What would be different than normal? |
| 23:21.40 | Amarande | and I'm not at all yet sure how things are organised under systemd |
| 23:22.01 | Amarande | if you want, you can always manually shut down networkmanager with /etc/init.d/network-manager stop |
| 23:22.08 | nebbia | Amarande but shell scripts shouldn't be managed by systemd with his directories ? |
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| 23:22.26 | Amarande | like I said, I'm not sure yet how the systemd boot procedure works at that level |
| 23:23.06 | Amarande | I've had to start services manually every now and then (sometimes kdm doesn't relaunch when I log out for some reason and I have to run /etc/init.d/kdm restart manually) but the last time I had to poke around the boot process to any degree was in the sysv days |
| 23:23.26 | Amarande | systemd as debian's standard boot is fairly recent for stable (wheezy used sysvinit) |
| 23:23.34 | Miesco | abrotman: I heard it is unsafe to install python packages globally and with a user, but to do it in a virtual environment. Is it the same with ruby packages? |
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| 23:25.40 | themill | Miesco: ruby isn't widely used by debian tools so you're less likely to break the tools. I imagine you could still easily screw up the maintainer scripts on other ruby packages which would make it impossible to upgrade without removing the locally installed stuff first |
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| 23:26.54 | nebbia | !ot |
| 23:26.54 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
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| 23:41.08 | Kayla | can someone help |
| 23:41.21 | Kayla | i am trying to install codeblocks but says package has no installation candidate |
| 23:41.27 | Kayla | is it something wrong with sources again? |
| 23:41.47 | abrotman | did you aptitude update after changing sources.list? |
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| 23:43.00 | Kayla | i updated |
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| 23:44.24 | Kayla | will i be able to install codeblocks after fresh install? |
| 23:44.51 | abrotman | You'll have to add the sources again |
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| 23:45.32 | Kayla | where can i find a source for codeblocks? |
| 23:45.46 | Kayla | i mean sourcelist config |
| 23:45.50 | themill | Kayla: do you have logging enabled in your irc client? |
| 23:46.27 | Kayla | log to disc is not enabled |
| 23:46.48 | nebbia | why debian is better than fedora ? |
| 23:46.52 | themill | perhaps you could enable that so you can look up the answer to questions you've already asked. |
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| 23:47.20 | srg | Xfce4 has startup options "Launch GNOME services on startup" and "Launch KDE services on startup" - How can I tell what these services are? I imagine Gnome and KDE software installs some startup script in a certain dir? |
| 23:47.23 | Kayla | im asking if i undo all changes to my sources will i be able to install codeblocks |
| 23:47.32 | nebbia | id xinet.d deprecated ? |
| 23:47.51 | srg | nebbia: I've never used fedora, but I really like debian's packaging system, including their standards and the philosophy. |
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| 23:48.28 | srg | nebbia: I don't think I have ever used xinetd. |
| 23:48.33 | srg | In my history of using linux. |
| 23:48.37 | nebbia | thank you srg |
| 23:48.48 | srg | (spans about 10 years) |
| 23:48.51 | nebbia | i'm following LPIC 1-102 and it talks about this xinet.d |
| 23:49.05 | jsonlee | Is there any tool or widget that can help cool down CPU temperature? I find that when playing browser game like agar.io the CPUs are easily exceeds 100C then completely shutdown. |
| 23:49.37 | Equa | jsonlee: you need better cooling system |
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| 23:50.25 | nebbia | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:50.32 | nebbia | lscpu please |
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| 23:51.17 | jsonlee | nebbia: ibm t420s |
| 23:51.47 | jsonlee | Equa: what kind of cooling system should I use? I install debian and use most of its default settings. |
| 23:51.55 | jsonlee | Any recommendation? |
| 23:52.28 | Equa | jsonlee: how old is your system? might be time to replace the cpu fan and add a heatsink to it if you dont' have one |
| 23:53.09 | nebbia | jsonlee wait |
| 23:53.48 | nebbia | do you have any video card on it ? |
| 23:53.52 | nebbia | intel i5 right ? |
| 23:54.25 | jsonlee | Equa: it's laptop. I think it can't be customized like desktop box. |
| 23:54.26 | Equa | nebbia: browser game usually use flash and flash is cpu intensive |
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| 23:55.32 | phlu0 | Hi mates, someone know Parrot Security OS? it's a Debian based |
| 23:55.33 | Equa | jsonlee: turn on temp monitor and take a break after awhile from gaming to let your system cool. |
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| 23:57.03 | jsonlee | nebbia: it's a hybrid card combined with intel and nvidia (need to check the card name) |
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| 23:57.30 | mtn | phlu0, wrong channel, this one is only for debian support, not stuff based on debian |
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| 23:57.52 | phlu0 | thanks mtn |
| 23:58.01 | jsonlee | Equa: let's what I am currently doing : p playing a while and quit the game so the cpu temperature cools down; then perhaps play next round. |
| 23:58.18 | Equa | jsonlee: what's your DE? |
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| 23:58.29 | jsonlee | the bad thing is something i forget to check the temperature then the system just shutdown. haha |
| 23:58.46 | jsonlee | slim+openbox+cairo-dock |
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