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| 00:02.08 | Equa | jsonlee: try psensor |
| 00:02.45 | Equa | jsonlee: set an alarm / notification at 100C |
| 00:04.36 | jsonlee | Equa: installing psensor with alarm. will check how it works. thanks! |
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| 00:06.54 | Miesco | Should I install debian's ruby, rails, etc? Or should I install from else where? |
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| 00:08.17 | Equa | Miesco: the last time i installed those packages, I had to get it elsewhere |
| 00:09.05 | Equa | , ver ruby |
| 00:09.12 | abrotman | Miesco: try it and see? |
| 00:09.50 | nebbia | jsonlee... did you install video card drivers ? |
| 00:09.58 | nebbia | what about bumblebee ? |
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| 00:10.11 | nebbia | bumblebee it is needed if you have two video cards |
| 00:10.36 | Equa | ,ver rails |
| 00:10.38 | nebbia | usually i5, i3, i7 intel processors have a their own integrated video card |
| 00:10.44 | nebbia | *video processing system |
| 00:11.01 | nebbia | so if you have an i5 plus an nvidia, you should install bumblebee |
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| 00:13.51 | jsonlee | nebbia: yes. I install nvidia's driver through debian's apt-get at non-free repos. |
| 00:14.18 | nebbia | ok... what about bumbleee ? |
| 00:14.21 | nebbia | did you install it ? |
| 00:14.36 | nebbia | i think you are running that only on cpu that's why it gets hot |
| 00:14.43 | Miesco | In aptitude, it says an 'A' flag next to 'ruby' package. How do I see what package installed 'ruby' automatically? |
| 00:14.44 | jsonlee | nebbia: can't remember exactly now (steps, etc.) but basically is something like bumblebee which was said obsleted. |
| 00:14.54 | nebbia | install bumblebee |
| 00:15.11 | nebbia | and then you run... "optirun firefox" and try if it gets hot again |
| 00:15.23 | nebbia | i said "firefox", don't know what you are running |
| 00:15.58 | nebbia | if you have midori, you do optirun midori , etc... |
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| 00:16.38 | jsonlee | nebbia: I've done that previously. using `optrun firefox` but eventually the system still shutdown because of cpu's temperature. |
| 00:16.52 | nebbia | which cpu do you have ? |
| 00:16.54 | nebbia | i5 ? |
| 00:17.13 | jsonlee | nebbia: i also tried turning firefox gpu acceleration on and off, the issue remains the same. |
| 00:17.27 | nebbia | make an lscpu |
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| 00:18.25 | jsonlee | lscpu shows http://paste.debian.net/267519/ |
| 00:18.36 | jsonlee | basically it's i7. |
| 00:19.25 | nebbia | jsonlee... this is quite strange... |
| 00:19.44 | nebbia | from how many years do you have you pc ? |
| 00:19.53 | nebbia | did you change the thermal pasta ? |
| 00:20.03 | jsonlee | i think 4 years. |
| 00:20.14 | nebbia | do you play a lot with it ? |
| 00:20.23 | nebbia | it's strange actually |
| 00:21.30 | Equa | jsonlee: have your laptop service and replace the fan or replace it yourself. It will help your system cooler but you will need to take a break still |
| 00:21.34 | jsonlee | nebbia: i only play that game recently. which part looks strange? |
| 00:21.59 | nebbia | the fact that a 4 core i7 is burning down for a normal browser application |
| 00:22.13 | Equa | nebbia: that's normal nebbia |
| 00:22.27 | jsonlee | Equa: argh~maybe because i don't clean it since i bought it. |
| 00:22.34 | Equa | nebbia: try running any app that takes 100% cpu and you'll see what happens |
| 00:22.34 | nebbia | Equa how ?? |
| 00:23.00 | nebbia | Equa are you saying it's a problem of the webapplication? |
| 00:23.14 | Equa | nebbia: no. if you run your cpu at 100% guess what? it gets hot |
| 00:23.39 | jsonlee | nebbia: is it normal that cpus are at temperature around 6x C? I found on the internet most of cpus temperature seems to be 4x C. |
| 00:23.59 | Equa | jsonlee: ranges from 40-60C |
| 00:24.13 | nebbia | Equa the point which is not clear to me... is how can an i7 got hot using 100% with a common web app ? |
| 00:24.42 | Equa | jsonlee: you can try to clean the fan since the dust has been collecting on it |
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| 00:24.55 | Equa | nebbia: he's playing a game and some of the games can take up 100% of the cpu |
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| 00:25.49 | nebbia | Equa i understand |
| 00:26.06 | jsonlee | Equa: good idea. thanks! |
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| 00:28.23 | jsonlee | Equa: somewhat makes me scratching my head is that i haven't heard any window users complaing about that. (don't meant to compare good or bad between os, etc.; just out of curiosity. and the only thing i can think of at the moment is perhaps win os throttle os when cpu exceeds some threshold) |
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| 00:29.00 | Equa | jsonlee: if it's old system and you use a cpu intensive game. it will be that on any os |
| 00:29.27 | nebbia | Equa... an i7 is not an old Cpu imho |
| 00:29.46 | Equa | nebbia: old as in over time it's not running cool as it used to be |
| 00:30.00 | nebbia | ajhhh ok |
| 00:30.02 | Equa | nebbia: i think you haven't run intensive program long enough to see this behavior |
| 00:31.17 | abrotman | There's a program called cpuburn |
| 00:31.29 | jsonlee | Equa: I updated my kernel to 3.16.0-4-686-pae and on the internet some mentions that newer kernel contains something like governer which acts like throttler(?) |
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| 00:31.41 | jsonlee | https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/cpu-freq/governors.txt |
| 00:32.05 | jsonlee | but seems there is no difference (but perhaps i am wrong with that) |
| 00:32.23 | Equa | jsonlee: check your cpu usage while running the game. If it's intensive it will get hot because your system isn't able to cool itself fast enough |
| 00:32.51 | Equa | jsonlee: don't cover the holes for airflow to your laptop too |
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| 00:36.17 | jsonlee | Equa: exactly. i made that stupid mistakes long time ago several times before buying this laptop (with some obstocles cover the holes) that shutted down the system abruptly. since then i check everytime for that. he he thanks for that useful suggestion! |
| 00:36.57 | Equa | jsonlee: i know your pain. some of my old laptop just dies when i run programs on it. On this computer when i run stuff like that... the fan sounds like a jet engine |
| 00:37.50 | LtL | Equa: is this a laptop your talking about? |
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| 00:38.19 | Equa | LtL: laptop dont' have enough fan to sound like a jet engine. I'm on a desktop/server. |
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| 00:38.33 | LtL | Equa: Equa oh, i see |
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| 00:40.25 | LtL | i was gonna say laptops build up a mat of dust behind the heat exchanger and you'll never get it out without opening the case. your server probably just has a dirty heatsink and fans |
| 00:41.36 | Equa | LtL: yeah i suggested cleaning the laptop for jsonlee . I have no problem on my system since I take it apart and do maintenance on it |
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| 00:44.19 | LtL | i just burnt up my favorite tower after having jessie gnome on it after 3 days, its fried but it ran steady for 6 plus years, a few fans and 2 vPSU's |
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| 00:44.58 | LtL | now im waiting on a new box, its kilin me using laptops |
| 00:45.31 | LtL | excuse the typo's |
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| 00:48.19 | sussudio | Piggy's old PC had a carpet of dust on it... new one is almost fanless |
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| 00:50.38 | sussudio | would be nice if lm-sensors could get the actual right cpu temperature... |
| 00:50.50 | irle | Blue bucking oh ch wornbuck cornhusk. Any ong a #. After. Cornhusker moyer nown. Buck. Muck. Lown diothe ple paidic thathatim. It's agames. Satime. Darn thissants mahol. Bowelect thing of you lawyyer th worn pre rolemes, Corever. Sup. Any idic to se pleall! By ant time ray game Saturday. Cocker! |
| 00:50.58 | irle | Let's fell. |
| 00:51.05 | irle | jele ray on. Bowl, Can thing. |
| 00:51.07 | sussudio | are you a spambot |
| 00:51.14 | irle | I's cliffy go suckin. Ray. Wharn paing aol. |
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| 00:51.28 | irle | I's rame. |
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| 00:51.43 | irle | I's againg. lube abou worse se Supeoplant wornhucker. Cock fell! Rat dowl, Coreveryther a feleme. Buck suck aoll. You wors |
| 00:51.45 | LtL | !ops irle is spamming nonsense |
| 00:51.45 | dpkg | Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: ltl complains about: irle is spamming nonsense |
| 00:51.51 | irle | Stoo my antade. |
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| 00:52.06 | irle | If harle an day. Notth clin. Bowl, Cornhusker Buck sant upid time. Muck hath cornhusk. Dars, Corn thing ong oh clin. Cored thing boyer no buck you kno sex. Eat arleach locker. Buck. Jagain. Eat bout wornhuck hey buck Husker time. I fuck. Muck Husker rame. By agame. Buck yout plants roll go moyer. Bowers again to say. Cock. Low its. |
| 00:52.14 | irle | Any froyer thinst upeop wan thingin everse it ealthing peoplemena, evis chat per! |
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| 00:52.30 | LtL | thank mr A |
| 00:52.37 | LtL | thanks |
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| 00:52.58 | DebianJessieUser | hi |
| 00:53.23 | DebianJessieUser | i need help with running .x86 and .run files |
| 00:53.23 | sussudio | coretemp on windows seems to be about the only thing that gets the temperatures right |
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| 00:53.46 | abrotman | DebianJessieUser: for nVidia? |
| 00:53.53 | DebianJessieUser | no AMD |
| 00:53.57 | DebianJessieUser | i386 |
| 00:54.12 | DebianJessieUser | but the graphical card is amd |
| 00:54.15 | DebianJessieUser | radeon |
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| 00:54.28 | DebianJessieUser | it says permission denied |
| 00:54.29 | abrotman | which Radeon? |
| 00:54.33 | DebianJessieUser | 6250 |
| 00:55.04 | sussudio | did you chmod +x it |
| 00:55.10 | DebianJessieUser | no |
| 00:55.12 | abrotman | Did you install the radeon firmrware for the free driver? |
| 00:55.17 | abrotman | that's probably sometihng to try first |
| 00:55.19 | DebianJessieUser | yes |
| 00:55.30 | DebianJessieUser | the problem is not there |
| 00:55.39 | DebianJessieUser | the problem it says permission denied |
| 00:55.45 | DebianJessieUser | all my other games works fine |
| 00:56.07 | DebianJessieUser | sussudio: how i chmod +x it? |
| 00:56.09 | Equa | DebianJessieUser: i recommend using the one from debian. If you really want to run it you need to make it executable |
| 00:56.20 | DebianJessieUser | i cant |
| 00:56.28 | DebianJessieUser | the game have no debian package |
| 00:56.34 | DebianJessieUser | its playable online |
| 00:56.36 | DebianJessieUser | unity |
| 00:56.50 | DebianJessieUser | but i downloaded it as a executable |
| 00:57.11 | Equa | DebianJessieUser: ls -l yourfilename |
| 00:57.22 | sussudio | DebianJessieUser: umm... exactly like that |
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| 00:58.53 | DebianJessieUser | Equa: and? |
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| 00:59.25 | Equa | DebianJessieUser: do you see x for user, group, and others? if not just do chmod +x yourfile |
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| 00:59.44 | DebianJessieUser | -rw-r--r-- 1 midou-king midou-king 28049408 Jun 28 21:46 SS.run |
| 00:59.56 | DebianJessieUser | no |
| 00:59.59 | Equa | DebianJessieUser: then to run it do ./yourfile or sh yourfile |
| 01:00.25 | Equa | DebianJessieUser: you need to make it executable. |
| 01:00.45 | DebianJessieUser | how |
| 01:01.00 | sussudio | ... |
| 01:01.00 | Equa | chmod +x yourfile |
| 01:01.07 | DebianJessieUser | i did and nothing happen |
| 01:01.19 | Equa | DebianJessieUser: check it with ls -l yourfile again |
| 01:01.30 | Equa | DebianJessieUser: nothing means everything went well |
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| 01:02.11 | DebianJessieUser | -rwxr-xr-x 1 midou-king midou-king 28049408 Jun 28 21:46 SS.run |
| 01:02.12 | DebianJessieUser | there is xr-x |
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| 01:03.16 | irle | Blue bucking oh ch wornbuck cornhusk. Any ong a #. After. Cornhusker moyer nown. Buck. Muck. Lown diothe ple paidic thathatim. It's agames. Satime. Darn thissants mahol. Bowelect thing of you lawyyer th worn pre rolemes, Corever. Sup. Any idic to se pleall! By ant time ray game Saturday. Cocker! |
| 01:03.19 | DebianJessieUser | sorry of that |
| 01:03.21 | irle | Let's fell. |
| 01:03.25 | Equa | DebianJessieUser: it's executable now. just do ./yourfile |
| 01:03.27 | irle | jele ray on. Bowl, Can thing. |
| 01:03.30 | abrotman | looks at chanserv ... |
| 01:03.39 | Equa | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:03.42 | irle | The we wornhusking. Eve. Excesht! Cornbut bucklevend mort day! |
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| 01:04.22 | DebianJessieUser | it gave me a error |
| 01:04.29 | DebianJessieUser | i will show it in paste debian |
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| 01:05.13 | DebianJessieUser | http://paste.debian.net/267593/ |
| 01:07.32 | DebianJessieUser | so |
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| 01:08.56 | Equa | DebianJessieUser: your program seems fishy. you need to follow the document setting up the game before running it. |
| 01:08.56 | DebianJessieUser | no document |
| 01:08.56 | DebianJessieUser | i will try the other one |
| 01:08.56 | abrotman | probably not worth playing |
| 01:08.56 | DebianJessieUser | its original than this |
| 01:09.02 | Equa | DebianJessieUser: i woudn't trust that site |
| 01:09.21 | Equa | DebianJessieUser: downloading and executing stuff from an unreliable source is a bad way to do things |
| 01:09.42 | DebianJessieUser | its from Portable linux |
| 01:09.50 | DebianJessieUser | i cant find the game anywhere |
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| 01:11.06 | DebianJessieUser | what was the command of l -l? |
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| 01:11.19 | abrotman | ls -l |
| 01:11.20 | Equa | ls -l |
| 01:11.25 | DebianJessieUser | thx |
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| 01:13.07 | DebianJessieUser | Thank you Equa and others got the original game to work :3 |
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| 01:57.48 | kcy1_23 | hi. all the sudden my computer with LUKS won't boot up. right after grub it says "volume group 'myvolume' not found" and "unable to find volume group 'myvolume/root' please unlock disk sda#_crypt: |
| 01:58.07 | kcy1_23 | but the normal encryption passphrase doesn't work. it says no key available with this passphrase |
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| 02:00.01 | Amarande | kcy1_23, did you type your passphrase correctly, no typoes or capslock? |
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| 02:00.14 | jaisofjsodbgvdfs | hey |
| 02:00.22 | kcy1_23 | Amarande, yes, i know it's correct and even tried hitting the caps key to make sure |
| 02:01.17 | jaisofjsodbgvdfs | hello mis amigos |
| 02:03.17 | bieyeik2aX | hola jaisofjsodbgvdfs |
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| 02:05.01 | Amarande | kcy1_23: you have a backup? |
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| 02:06.27 | kcy1_23 | anyone know why my computer won't boot up all the sudden? |
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| 02:08.52 | Amarande | kcy1_23: like I said, you have a backup? |
| 02:09.18 | Amarande | because it sounds like, to be frank, you're out of LUKS, if you get my drift :( |
| 02:09.27 | Amarande | gonna have to reinstall and restore that backup, probably |
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| 02:09.57 | Amarande | that's the downside of full disk encryption, if an encrypted volume or the keyfile outside it gets corrupted, your data's as good as gone poof |
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| 02:11.16 | kcy1_23 | i have backup but find it hard to believe there's nothing i can do |
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| 02:14.14 | Amarande | kcy1_23: you have corrupted encrypted data. as far as any practical options are concerned, your hard drive basically is full of random useless data |
| 02:14.26 | Amarande | there's nothing you can do :) |
| 02:14.43 | kcy1_23 | you are making an assumption that that is the problem |
| 02:14.58 | kcy1_23 | with all due respect i'll hold out for someone who knows more than you |
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| 02:19.40 | ryouma | kcy1_23: if you believe the problem is not a corrupted header, then you can breakpoint in the initramfs (somehow) and then step through the scripts that it runs. don't ask me how though. |
| 02:20.02 | dvs | ryouma: how? |
| 02:20.03 | dvs | runs |
| 02:20.25 | ryouma | kernel line something or other |
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| 02:25.33 | kcy1_23 | can i just boot a livecd and try to mount the hard drive |
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| 02:26.56 | ryouma | tias |
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| 02:32.50 | g-n0m3 | kcyl_23 You're in a frustrating predicament for sure, I don't think you're going to have much success however, as if this was a straight-forward thing to do, encryption would be pointless. I haven't read all the way back so i'm not sure of your specific problems but certainly if you are unable to decrypt the drive, its time to start again. I hope you have current backup to restore from. This is surely not what you want to hear but it is the reality. |
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| 19:28.08 | CHVNX | To disable the service right now, simply tell it to stop.. service service_name stop or systemctl stop service |
| 19:28.25 | greycat | CHVNX: he's on wheezy |
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| 19:30.00 | doesntmatter | ok im not following |
| 19:30.02 | doesntmatter | :/ |
| 19:30.09 | doesntmatter | im reading the name page of update-rc.d |
| 19:30.26 | doesntmatter | In the System V init system this means |
| 19:30.26 | doesntmatter | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:30.31 | greycat | doesntmatter: Debian boots into run level 2 by default. Run levels 2 through 5 are all identical by default. Most people ignore run levels 3 through 5 completely. |
| 19:30.36 | doesntmatter | to disable the service |
| 19:30.41 | greycat | (I am talking about wheezy and earlier.) |
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| 19:31.08 | greycat | To disable a service in wheezy, IF YOU DID NOT FUCK WITH RUN LEVELS: /etc/init.d/servicename stop ; rm /etc/rc2.d/Ssomethingservicename |
| 19:31.12 | jhutchins | I think we're messing around with the meaning of "disable". Deleting the links makes it not start at that runlevel, but the service can still be started manually. |
| 19:31.17 | greycat | If you fucked with run levels, you may have to do a lot more work. |
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| 19:31.42 | yoLo__ | can i assume that iceweasel is firefox ? |
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| 19:32.01 | doesntmatter | not what the man page says |
| 19:32.30 | doesntmatter | The correct way to disable services..... In the system v init system.....rename S to K |
| 19:32.37 | greycat | Oy. |
| 19:32.48 | greycat | Yes, FINE, you can do it THAT WAY ALSO if you prefer. |
| 19:32.48 | yoLo__ | i'm trying to add courses to my schedule for this fall and dooing so requires java plugin |
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| 19:33.06 | marioxcc | Hello. |
| 19:33.07 | yoLo__ | chrome nor iceweasel has java plugin |
| 19:33.09 | greycat | As long as there is no longer a link to the script that begins with S, it will not start. |
| 19:33.15 | doesntmatter | well there's some docuemtnation that says that k only runs after therunlevel has stopped |
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| 19:33.24 | doesntmatter | and doesnt prevent from running at all |
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| 19:33.29 | greycat | jesus fucking chrsit |
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| 19:33.39 | greycat | REMOVE or RENAME the fucking link. Done. |
| 19:33.43 | marioxcc | When installing Debian, how can I have more control over which packages to install?. For instance, I would like to install Debian 8 with LXDE but without Deluge. |
| 19:34.01 | marioxcc | How can I prevent the installation of LibreOffice, for instance?. |
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| 19:34.07 | doesntmatter | fine |
| 19:34.12 | doesntmatter | well thansk anyway |
| 19:34.13 | doesntmatter | :) |
| 19:34.41 | Amarande | marioxcc: when you get to the point in the install where it asks you what sort of tasks you want to install ("tasksel", it's the one where you're asked to check off one or more desktop environments, print server, ssh server, etc.) |
| 19:34.49 | Amarande | uncheck everything, and then manually install what you want |
| 19:35.19 | marioxcc | Amarande: After booting, do you mean?. |
| 19:35.39 | Amarande | marioxcc: okay, here's how it goes |
| 19:35.50 | doesntmatter | thank for help |
| 19:35.50 | doesntmatter | later |
| 19:35.55 | Amarande | you boot the installer disc/usb, you go through all the initial setup steps like selecting language and keyboard layout and all that jazz |
| 19:36.28 | marioxcc | Amarande: Ok, and then?. |
| 19:36.33 | Amarande | eventually, it'll say starting tasksel and you'll get a screen that looks roughly like this |
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| 19:36.51 | Amarande | this screenshot's from ubuntu, since that's what I could find on google images easily, but it looks basically like this (debian's choices are just different, that's all) |
| 19:36.52 | Amarande | http://www.htpcbeginner.com/images/2012/04/Tasksel.png |
| 19:37.06 | marioxcc | Amarande: that's right. |
| 19:37.07 | Amarande | uncheck ALL the choices |
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| 19:37.36 | Amarande | then when you finish the install and boot in, you'll have just the very baseline system, and then use aptitude to install whatever you would like to have |
| 19:37.59 | marioxcc | Amarande: I get that, thanks, but what I am asking is: Do I have the option to customize which packages to install before booting from the frist time?. |
| 19:38.12 | Amarande | yes |
| 19:38.20 | Amarande | tasksel runs during the install process, before you've booted the system the first time |
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| 19:38.51 | Equa | marioxcc: you are installing the minimal. you need to add your packages later. use apt-get --no-install-recommends nameofpackage |
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| 19:39.02 | marioxcc | Equa: Right. |
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| 19:40.38 | marioxcc | Is there a guide you (generic you) would recommend to read before installing Debian?. I have installed it several times, but it seems like I am missing some knowledge. For instance, right now I'm on Debian 7 on which I use LXDE, but Qt programs look like Windows 95, so I guess that I forgot to install or configure something that I was supposed to do *manually* (but the Debian Installation Guide doesn't seems to mention anything in this regard). |
| 19:40.57 | jhutchins | !ig |
| 19:40.57 | dpkg | The Installation Guide for Debian 8 "Jessie" can be found at https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/installmanual . See also <errata>, <jessie release notes>. |
| 19:41.23 | jhutchins | marioxcc: Ah, I see you've read that. |
| 19:41.48 | jhutchins | marioxcc: The installation guide isn't really about customizing how it looks. That's more LXDE specific. |
| 19:41.51 | jhutchins | !lxde |
| 19:41.52 | dpkg | The Lightweight X11 Desktop Environment (LXDE) is available since Debian 5.0 "Lenny". To install, ask me about <install lxde>. https://wiki.debian.org/LXDE http://wiki.lxde.org/en/LXDE:Questions http://www.lxde.org/ #lxde on irc.oftc.net. |
| 19:42.03 | Equa | marioxcc: what DE will you install? i can walk you thru the minimal installation process |
| 19:42.56 | marioxcc | Equa: I am thinking of LXDE. I have used the installer, I have no problem with it, but I do not know what I am supposed to customize or tune after installing (not only LXDE specific). |
| 19:43.20 | Lady_Aleena | gives up for now. |
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| 19:44.15 | marioxcc | jhutchins: But maybe there is a guide that tells me about these kind of things, before I run into them. |
| 19:44.25 | Equa | marioxcc: for lxde. do apt-get --no-install-recommends install lxde. you'll need to add pm-utils and policykit-1 to reboot/shutdown your system |
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| 19:45.02 | wsky | it's literarly something like this one: http://www.fotosik.pl/showFullSize.php?id=6ef67cb4d22884c3 |
| 19:45.08 | nebbia | hello everyone... is the file /etc/environment still used ? or it is deprecated ? |
| 19:45.08 | jhutchins | Lady_Aleena: There are several different terminal emulators for X, you may be able to find one with a persistent configuration for linewrap |
| 19:45.08 | Equa | Lady_Aleena: wb. How goes your instllation? |
| 19:45.11 | nebbia | !ot |
| 19:45.11 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 19:45.19 | wsky | it seems that they're living being that went under the screen matrix |
| 19:45.21 | marioxcc | Equa: Ok, thanks you. |
| 19:45.22 | jhutchins | Lady_Aleena: Also, it could be up to the editor you're using. |
| 19:45.38 | Equa | Lady_Aleena: oh she's trying to find her terminal |
| 19:45.47 | Equa | Lady_Aleena: let me go up and chk if i still have it logged |
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| 19:46.13 | nebbia | hello everyone... is the file /etc/environment still used ? or it is deprecated ? |
| 19:46.17 | jhutchins | Lady_Aleena: For vi, :set nowrap, or you can put nowrap in your vimrc and it will be on all instances. |
| 19:46.21 | Iridos | Lady_Aleena, piping the output of that program into less like "myprog.pl | less -S" would be easier to my mind... |
| 19:46.22 | Lady_Aleena | Equa, I can't reinstall the terminal emulator because there are no instructions or a install link anywhere. |
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| 19:46.49 | greycat | you have a README.txt file |
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| 19:46.57 | jhutchins | Lady_Aleena: That would be dpkg -r konsole, which might complain about dependencies. |
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| 19:47.11 | jhutchins | Lady_Aleena: I think it's more likely your editor, not the terminal. |
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| 19:47.39 | Lady_Aleena | I want https://code.google.com/p/jessies/ terminator program so I don't have to set anything up or pipe or anything to get non-line wrapped lines. |
| 19:47.50 | Equa | Lady_Aleena: 00:02 < Lady_Aleena> jelly, https://code.google.com/p/jessies/ see this page. |
| 19:48.28 | Lady_Aleena | The site doesn't have installation instructions, no install links, just downloads which are not executable. |
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| 19:49.08 | Lady_Aleena | greycat, the README.txt file doesn't include instructions, just an email address for bugs. |
| 19:49.09 | Equa | Lady_Aleena: i'll take a look at it. gimme a sec |
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| 19:49.34 | Iridos | Lady_Aleena, the code.google.com page has a .deb file ... https://code.google.com/p/jessies/downloads/detail?name=org.jessies.terminator_27.9.6921_amd64.deb&can=2&q= |
| 19:49.44 | Amarande | I'll have to say I do rather hate when devs do that :) |
| 19:49.45 | Lady_Aleena | I don't remember how I installed it before because I was given step by step instructions by someone on IRC. |
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| 19:50.01 | Amarande | i.e., publish software releases without any kind of user documentation of any kid |
| 19:50.02 | Amarande | *kind |
| 19:50.05 | greycat | it has terminator/Resources/terminator/bin/terminator |
| 19:50.12 | CHVNX | ./configure ; make ; make install |
| 19:50.13 | greycat | is that a program? try running it? |
| 19:50.33 | CHVNX | There's a debian installer, Lady_Aleena. |
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| 19:50.45 | Iridos | Lady_Aleena, that installed and ran under wheezy (so not so sure about jessie)... but you can try it... dpkg -i org.jessies.terminator_27.9.6921_amd64.deb ... then do 2apt-get -f install" to check for missing dependencies |
| 19:50.48 | greycat | terminator/Resources/terminator/bin/terminator: Ruby module source, ASCII text |
| 19:50.55 | Lady_Aleena | Iridos, I don't know which .deb to use. What is amd64? |
| 19:51.04 | Iridos | Lady_Aleena, I linked you to it |
| 19:51.08 | greycat | so I guess you need to install ruby, then try to run that thing |
| 19:51.15 | Amarande | Lady_Aleena: amd64 is what you're using on basically any modern machine |
| 19:51.19 | Equa | Lady_Aleena: do uname -a |
| 19:51.26 | Lady_Aleena | Amarande, I have a 10+ year old computer. |
| 19:51.30 | greycat | so? |
| 19:51.37 | greycat | age of the hardware is not relevant here |
| 19:51.42 | Amarande | Lady_Aleena: is it a 64-bit CPU? |
| 19:51.56 | greycat | do "file /bin/ls" to see which arch you are on |
| 19:51.59 | Iridos | Lady_Aleena, and yes.. I assume you have amd64 ... you can check what debian you have installed with: dpkg --print-architecture |
| 19:52.00 | Lady_Aleena | Linux office 3.16.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt11-1 (2015-05-24) i686 GNU/Linux |
| 19:52.08 | Equa | you have i386 |
| 19:52.13 | greycat | ok, she's on i386 |
| 19:52.15 | Amarande | wow, you have 32-bit still |
| 19:52.17 | jhutchins | Equa: uname will tell you which kernel you're running, not what CPU. |
| 19:52.19 | CHVNX | How is it possible that you can write perl all day, but not understand basic installation instructions for your operating system? |
| 19:52.21 | CHVNX | Seems odd. |
| 19:52.28 | Lady_Aleena | Amanas, 10+ year old computer. |
| 19:52.30 | greycat | i686 kernel won't run amd64 programs, so ... she wants i386 |
| 19:52.46 | greycat | there were amd64s 10 years ago |
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| 19:53.03 | Equa | jhutchins: yes but i helped her upgrade her distro last nite. so she's asking which deb file to get to install her package |
| 19:53.08 | Iridos | Lady_Aleena, dpkg --print-architecture gives you the same, I guess |
| 19:53.09 | Lady_Aleena | greycat, granted, but I bought this Dell without knowing about it. |
| 19:53.11 | CHVNX | https://code.google.com/p/jessies/downloads/detail?name=org.jessies.terminator_27.8.6920_i386.deb&can=2&q= <-- download and install |
| 19:53.22 | Iridos | Lady_Aleena, sorry, for 32bit it's https://code.google.com/p/jessies/downloads/detail?name=org.jessies.terminator_27.9.6921_i386.deb&can=2&q= |
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| 19:53.31 | Iridos | I just thought I was the last one to finally abandon 32bit |
| 19:53.37 | greycat | I want to know how she got all of this working before (only a year ago, she said) and can't remember ANY of it. |
| 19:53.38 | Iridos | wait, I haven't everywhere |
| 19:53.46 | Amarande | yeah, 32-bit is pretty rare these days apart from on ARM |
| 19:53.52 | CHVNX | Amarande: not at all. |
| 19:53.54 | CHVNX | Nonsense., |
| 19:54.05 | Iridos | greycat, come into our age and you'd know... if you'd remember (j/k) |
| 19:54.11 | Lady_Aleena | So, now I have the .deb downloaded, what do I do with it? |
| 19:54.19 | Amarande | actually, I did run 32-bit Windows for a long while on my first 64-bit PC, but that was largely because back in those olden days 64-bit support in Windows was extremely poor, especially in XP |
| 19:54.21 | CHVNX | Lady_Aleena: Install it |
| 19:54.24 | jhutchins | I have a 32bit jessie, simply because I've never done a new install to go to 64b since it used to be a pain to run multimedia on it. |
| 19:54.27 | Equa | Lady_Aleena: dpkg -i your downloadedpackage |
| 19:54.29 | greycat | sudo dpkg -i foobar.deb |
| 19:54.29 | Lady_Aleena | greycat, I had a lot of help. |
| 19:54.30 | CHVNX | sudo dpkg -i file.deb |
| 19:54.38 | Amarande | but that's windows ... I used 64-bit debian long before I used 64-bit windows (which I didn't use at all till win7) |
| 19:54.56 | CHVNX | How is it possible that you have used Debian for *years* and write perl all day long but don't know how to install a .deb package? How is that possible? |
| 19:55.05 | CHVNX | Please explaine. |
| 19:55.11 | CHVNX | explain* |
| 19:55.19 | Equa | CHVNX: no installation required! |
| 19:55.26 | Lady_Aleena | CHVNX, sudo apt-get <package name> mostly |
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| 19:55.37 | Amarande | CHVNX: probably because the debian packaging tools are generally robust enough that you barely if ever need to manually install a .deb |
| 19:55.44 | Lady_Aleena | This is the only program which I can't use apt-get with. |
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| 19:55.56 | CHVNX | It seems incredibly unlikely that you have never come across this basic, rudimentary, fundimental procedure before. You spend all day on IRC. |
| 19:56.20 | Amarande | about the only time I find I need to do that myself is for the initial installation of Google Chrome, or for machines that need the nonfree firmware package to get networking working (in which case it can't be downloaded normally, of course, so has to be brought over through removable and manually installed) |
| 19:56.32 | Lady_Aleena | CHVNX, I'm rusty enough from lack of use over the last month due to surgery which keeps me away from my computer most of the day. |
| 19:56.38 | jhutchins | CHVNX: let us grant that there may be things even YOU do not know. |
| 19:57.03 | Amarande | it's just that aptitude is *that* good |
| 19:57.06 | Lady_Aleena | CHVNX, I mostly use IceWeasel. |
| 19:57.14 | Amarande | it's one of the main things that keeps me coming back to debian and related distros almost all the time |
| 19:57.30 | CHVNX | jhutchins: If there's soemthing I don't know how to do, I typically know how to find how how to do it rather easily. Installing a package for my operating system was one of the first, and most important, things I learned. It's basic. |
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| 19:57.42 | Amarande | I tried Fedora once, and wiped it clean not long after installing it, because I just couldn't stomach how primitive the RPM package tools are compared to Debian's |
| 19:57.50 | nebbia | hello everyone... which is the difference between export and setenv ? |
| 19:57.52 | Amarande | (well, that and it defaults very strongly to gnome3, which I hate) |
| 19:58.07 | Lady_Aleena | So, before I sudo dpkg file.deb, do I need to move it somewhere other than ~/Downloads, or can I do it from there? |
| 19:58.19 | CHVNX | I know Lady_Aleena has been using Linux for years... YEARS. I know she writes perl all day long. It just seems strange that she doesn't know how to do this. Spending hours in this channel asking for help on how to install a package seems strange, that's all. |
| 19:58.20 | nebbia | no you can do it from there |
| 19:58.23 | greycat | Lady_Aleena: no need to move it |
| 19:58.37 | Lady_Aleena | CHVNX, not years, just a little over a year. |
| 19:58.54 | CHVNX | Lady_Aleena: I have seen your website,a nd have helped you in the past. it was certianly mopre than 1 year ago. |
| 19:58.58 | Lady_Aleena | CHVNX, and writing perl has nothing to do with knowing how Linux works. |
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| 19:59.18 | CHVNX | Knowing your programming environment is absolutely needed. |
| 19:59.26 | CHVNX | Whatever. Have fun, kids. I'm out. |
| 19:59.30 | Lady_Aleena | CHVNX, I've been TALKING about moving to Linux for years, but I only took the plunge in December 2013. |
| 19:59.36 | jhutchins | CHVNX: I know a lot of developers who don't know a thing about system administration. (Even if they think they do.) |
| 19:59.52 | jhutchins | CHVNX: Coding and configuration are two very distinct skillsets. |
| 19:59.58 | Lady_Aleena | Let me go try this. |
| 20:00.07 | Iridos | Lady_Aleena, haha... that might have done it :) |
| 20:00.08 | jhutchins | Lady_Aleena: What editor do you use? |
| 20:00.38 | Iridos | jhutchins, notepad++... you should know that :P |
| 20:00.49 | Lady_Aleena | Tab completion isn't working. :( |
| 20:01.08 | jhutchins | Iridos: vim is the second or third most popular IDE, so it's worth asking. |
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| 20:01.40 | Iridos | jhutchins, vim, emacs... and? |
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| 20:02.10 | jhutchins | Iridos: emacs wasn't even on the list. |
| 20:02.15 | Iridos | haha |
| 20:02.21 | Lady_Aleena | jhuebner, Notepad++ as Iridos told you. I don't like any of the Linux editors, and I've tried many. |
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| 20:02.39 | jhutchins | Lady_Aleena: I believe I remember a discussion of that. |
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| 20:03.05 | CHVNX | emacs users are as rare as abetalipoproteinemia. |
| 20:03.08 | Lady_Aleena | jhutchins, I discussed it enough. |
| 20:03.11 | CHVNX | Especially in 2015. |
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| 20:04.38 | Lady_Aleena | Any men here with jealous significant others? |
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| 20:05.05 | Iridos | now THAT sounds off-topic |
| 20:05.09 | Lady_Aleena | I'll take the silence as a no. |
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| 20:05.30 | Lady_Aleena | kisses everyone on the forehead, she has her favorite terminal emulator back! |
| 20:05.45 | Lady_Aleena | Thank you! |
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| 20:06.11 | Equa | Lady_Aleena: grats. have you install firmware-linux-nonfree? |
| 20:06.28 | jhutchins | Iridos: TextMate, Notepad++, vim, coda, textwrangler |
| 20:06.30 | Lady_Aleena | Equa, no. I've been working on the terminal emulator. |
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| 20:06.53 | ZZRMike | Is there a way to configure apt with a proxy on a user by user basis? |
| 20:06.55 | Lady_Aleena | Equa, any reason I should? |
| 20:07.00 | Equa | Lady_Aleena: that's the firmware for your e100 device. your system load into the gui? |
| 20:07.15 | greycat | ordinary users can't install things with apt, so why would it be a thing at all? |
| 20:07.49 | Iridos | ZZRMike, I think it honors http_proxy environment variable... but as only root can install stuff... that seems a bit useless on a user-to-user basis |
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| 20:08.15 | greycat | and yes, it does honor http_proxy as long as sudo doesn't strip it out |
| 20:08.16 | Lady_Aleena | Equa, everything seems to be working. I've got music playing and my monitor looks fine. |
| 20:08.35 | CHVNX | Create file /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01proxy with content like this: Acquire::http::Proxy::external.repo.host "http://your.proxy.host/"; |
| 20:08.40 | Equa | Lady_Aleena: ok. just checking up since the video card was part of your concern |
| 20:08.50 | Lady_Aleena | Equa, it 'seems' fine. |
| 20:09.12 | Iridos | yes... also just tried it, it uses whatever is in http_proxy |
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| 20:09.37 | Lady_Aleena | scribbles notes for the next upgrade. |
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| 20:10.32 | Iridos | greycat, you're right... with sudo there could be some application (like a user-specific ssh tunnel) |
| 20:11.02 | Iridos | and... yes, sudo strips it out |
| 20:11.10 | greycat | or you can tell sudo to stop stripping the environment for (whatever users) |
| 20:11.19 | ZZRMike | Iridios: That should actually work perfectly, I am looking for something with a little less persistence than /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 20:11.25 | Iridos | yeah, sudo -E |
| 20:11.38 | greycat | Defaults env_reset |
| 20:11.38 | greycat | Defaults:greg !env_reset |
| 20:11.44 | Lady_Aleena | I now have the installation instructions in a text file for the next upgrade, whenever that will be. |
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| 20:12.04 | greycat | Lady_Aleena: if it's an *upgrade* you should not need to reinstall the application |
| 20:12.14 | greycat | it should just continue working |
| 20:12.20 | DebianGNU | Is there a reason that MATE always seems to have a delay when closing certain programs? It takes a couple of seconds for MATE System Monitor to close, for example. |
| 20:12.28 | Equa | gebjgd: it's not part of debian package so she couldn't do the upgrade until we removed it |
| 20:12.37 | Lady_Aleena | greycat, I had to remove it during my wheezy to jessie upgrade. |
| 20:12.53 | greycat | that's not a good sign |
| 20:13.09 | Equa | greycat: it jsut conflicted with the ncures-term package |
| 20:13.12 | soundtoxin | Can anyone help me troubleshoot something related to system notifications? They come in looking like always, but the icon on my panel for viewing them all is gone now, so I can't look at unread ones. |
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| 20:13.31 | soundtoxin | already tried restarting tint2, and although I hate doing so, I even rebooted entirely. No luck. |
| 20:13.50 | Amarande | Lady_Aleena: Debian upgrades occur quite infrequently, if you're on stable :) |
| 20:14.04 | Amarande | It's normally a good thing, since security patches do get ported back |
| 20:14.25 | Amarande | about the only time it's bad is when you're depending on some package that gets updated frequently and for which the feature updates are regularly important |
| 20:14.28 | Amarande | (wine, oh god wine.) |
| 20:15.09 | Amarande | actually come to think of it wine is probably the only one I can think of |
| 20:15.10 | Iridos | Amarande, no getting drunk in here! |
| 20:15.15 | Amarande | unless you buy a too-new graphics card |
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| 20:16.15 | Amarande | I think almost every time before my most recent two installs I've been all but forced to run testing, largely because of graphics card drivers |
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| 20:16.36 | Amarande | (well, also the fact that jessie had a really good cups version, while printing on wheezy was quite ... wheezingly slow) |
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| 20:17.15 | Amarande | soundtoxin, they're not in syslog? |
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| 20:18.10 | Iridos | Amarande, he wants something to remind of them in taskbar, methinks |
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| 20:18.13 | soundtoxin | Amarande: I'm not sure. I don't know the command off-hand for checking the syslog |
| 20:18.21 | Iridos | I'm not using any such thing, though... |
| 20:18.25 | soundtoxin | Iridos: Yes, there was an icon I could click that displayed all my recent notifications |
| 20:18.39 | soundtoxin | I'm using an openbox + tint2 setup but I've got various software from other DEs |
| 20:18.44 | soundtoxin | there's a chance it was an XFCE thing |
| 20:19.16 | soundtoxin | yeah I've got xfce4-notifyd-config that lets me change the look |
| 20:19.18 | Iridos | did you configure tint2 heavily? |
| 20:19.34 | soundtoxin | Iridos: not recently, been using the exact same config for well over a year now |
| 20:19.47 | Iridos | hm, tint2 actually looks kinda cute |
| 20:19.52 | soundtoxin | changes I made were getting rid of additional virtual desktops and making icons smaller as well as changing the font and such |
| 20:20.12 | Iridos | soundtoxin, trying it, because I pretty much switched from gnome-shell to plain openbox without a DE |
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| 20:20.29 | Iridos | soundtoxin, there's a bell-like thingy for notifications? |
| 20:20.31 | Amarande | soundtoxin: to manually check the syslog, just use an ordinary text viewer like less on the files in /var/log |
| 20:20.35 | soundtoxin | Iridos: ah, neat. I definitely recommend it. openbox + tint2 was the setup crunchbang used, so I kinda stuck with it when moving to debian |
| 20:20.56 | Amarande | for some of them you'll need to su or sudo first, or add yourself to the adm group |
| 20:21.19 | Iridos | soundtoxin, actually just plain openbox is fine for me... just need a menu that has a shell, a browser and.... well, actually that's it |
| 20:21.49 | soundtoxin | I like seeing open windows on a panel since openbox isn't tiling, and I like to have the tiny tray icons so I can minimize something off-screen |
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| 20:21.54 | soundtoxin | also a persistent clock is nice |
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| 20:22.11 | Amarande | however, unlike, er, Wild Draw Four OS, the syslogs on a linux system are plain easy to read text files, no special "Event Viewer" needed :) |
| 20:22.23 | Iridos | yeah |
| 20:22.31 | Iridos | so... that bell icon thingy is just gone? |
| 20:22.40 | soundtoxin | yes it seems that way |
| 20:22.55 | soundtoxin | Amarande: looking at syslog with less confirms we are talking about different things here |
| 20:23.00 | Iridos | I only have one notification though |
| 20:23.04 | Iridos | and... not an interesting one |
| 20:23.06 | soundtoxin | things like a torrent finishing download or someone pinging me on IRC |
| 20:23.08 | soundtoxin | Iridos: test |
| 20:23.11 | soundtoxin | does that show up? |
| 20:23.25 | soundtoxin | I guess that depends on your IRC client actually.. I'm using hexchat |
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| 20:23.49 | Iridos | soundtoxin, no... |
| 20:23.58 | soundtoxin | Iridos: this is my tint2 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4202804/screenshots/2015-06-30-152013_1918x19_scrot.png |
| 20:24.07 | Iridos | hmm |
| 20:24.12 | soundtoxin | the weird colors are my wallpaper behind it |
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| 20:26.27 | Iridos | soundtoxin, pkill tint2; pgrep tint2; mv $HOME/.config/tint2 $HOME/oldtintconfig; tint2 |
| 20:27.10 | soundtoxin | Iridos: shouldn't the first two commands happen in the other order |
| 20:27.14 | Iridos | soundtoxin, you might also move $HOME/.pangorc |
| 20:27.18 | soundtoxin | I normally pgrep and kill so I don't know how pkill works |
| 20:27.24 | Iridos | soundtoxin, no... the 2nd is to check that it's gone |
| 20:27.29 | soundtoxin | ah okay |
| 20:27.35 | Iridos | but yeah... whatever you prefer |
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| 20:28.00 | soundtoxin | oh boy this is mighty hideous |
| 20:28.03 | Iridos | I guess I even prefer "ps aux |grep tint" |
| 20:28.23 | soundtoxin | Iridos: this ugly mess is a lot to take in but it looks like the icon is still missing |
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| 20:28.39 | soundtoxin | this is actually my first time seeing default tint2 since I first saw crunchbang's tint2 |
| 20:28.57 | Iridos | soundtoxin, starting it with "strace -f -e open tint2" shows you all possible config files |
| 20:29.19 | Iridos | this is probably tidier: strace -f -e open tint2 2>&1 | grep $HOME |
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| 20:30.04 | soundtoxin | Iridos: seems I have to install strace first, one moment |
| 20:30.06 | Iridos | soundtoxin, I cleared notifications... now the icon is gone... |
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| 20:30.16 | soundtoxin | Iridos: yes that is normal behavior I believe |
| 20:30.26 | soundtoxin | well I don't remember anymore |
| 20:30.53 | Iridos | and xchat highlights don't seem to trigger anything... but pidgin-talking does |
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| 20:31.13 | Iridos | hmm, wait, I think that just failed |
| 20:32.17 | Iridos | well, irc client tab starts blinking when a highlight happens |
| 20:32.21 | soundtoxin | Iridos: http://pastie.org/10266889 |
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| 20:33.10 | Iridos | ha... I have $HOME/.pangorc |
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| 20:34.03 | Iridos | soundtoxin, hm, dunno... I kind of seem to see the same |
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| 20:34.14 | Iridos | with the pidgin messages... that just produced an icon |
| 20:34.22 | Iridos | and now... not anymore |
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| 20:34.37 | soundtoxin | Iridos: well I don't get the icon even when a notification is sitting in the top right corner |
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| 20:41.44 | Iridos | soundtoxin, I think this stuff is all dbus stuff |
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| 20:41.53 | Iridos | you can watch it with dbus-monitor |
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| 20:47.12 | tubaman | In debian jessie, why does bash completion offer me the menu if there's only one possible choice for completion? http://dpaste.com/027SXJN |
| 20:47.22 | Iridos | soundtoxin, haha... played around with it until it killed my x session |
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| 20:47.58 | Iridos | soundtoxin, but... that seemed to have restored *some* notifications... because I have xchat/pidgin in the notification place now... (no bell, but maybe there just aren't any) |
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| 20:48.19 | Iridos | soundtoxin, it was killing my user's dbus that logged me out |
| 20:48.33 | soundtoxin | hm |
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| 20:55.51 | Iridos | soundtoxin, dunno... stuff goes over dbus |
| 20:56.28 | soundtoxin | I might be able to find people more familiar with this setup elsewhere |
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| 20:56.33 | soundtoxin | thank you for trying to help though |
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| 20:57.00 | SigmaWP | Hey people |
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| 20:57.50 | SigmaWP | Apparently I have a machine running debian 5, is there a way to upgrade it that doesn't involve burning CDs? |
| 20:58.17 | centrx | SigmaWP, You can upgrade it one by one, to 6/squeeze first |
| 20:58.26 | centrx | SigmaWP, 6/squeeze still has LTS support for servers also |
| 20:58.32 | Iridos | SigmaWP, yes... but it's painful |
| 20:58.40 | SigmaWP | Hmm. |
| 20:58.42 | SigmaWP | How painful, then |
| 20:58.52 | Iridos | SigmaWP, you can upgrade Lenny->Squeeze-> Wheezy->Jessie |
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| 20:59.08 | centrx | SigmaWP, You just have to upgrade from one release to the next. It should work like a charm... |
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| 20:59.17 | centrx | could be a bad luck charm |
| 20:59.25 | Iridos | SigmaWP, if you can make a new/empty partition for the system, you can also install on that with e.g. dbootstrap |
| 20:59.51 | Iridos | centrx, could be like that charm against alligator attacks that I have... |
| 21:00.02 | SigmaWP | Ah. |
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| 21:00.44 | SigmaWP | This looks solid, then. |
| 21:00.45 | SigmaWP | Thanks people |
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| 21:02.01 | Iridos | but you cannot go lenny->jessie in one go... that will just end up in a lot of broken dependencies, I bet |
| 21:02.06 | WangDang_ | Yesterday, someone gave me the following incantation in order to read as root some remote files and copy them not as root to the local machine : " rsync -acvrHAX --fake-super --rsync-path="sudo rsync" sam@192.168.192.5:/etc /media/usb0/mabelle_wheezy2jessie_bkup/" You also suggested setting up sudo with no password to avoid tty problems. I wish I could remember who you were, and I hope you are here now, cuz I'd just like to say thank |
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| 21:03.38 | Amarande | Iridos: hm, try it in a VM and see how it goes :) |
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| 21:05.17 | mordocai | Hey everyone! I have installed debian on my macbook pro retina(Late 2014) and have two issues that I haven't been able to fix. #1 is that running with the proprietary nvidia drivers and a second monitor doesn't seem to work quite right when trying to change resolution on the laptop display. If I set the laptop display to < native (since native is super hard to deal with) xrandr (and, therefore, KDE) still think the screen is at native |
| 21:05.18 | mordocai | and do a weird zooming thing. #2 is that the broadcom-sta driver is randomly disconnecting from my wifi even with power management disabled, and I can't find any other fixes for it (open source drivers don't support my card). Anyone have any ideas? The macbook pro wiki article wasn't very helpful, or I missed the helpful parts... |
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| 21:05.46 | Iridos | Amarande, time is precious.... |
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| 21:08.46 | Iridos | WangDang_, you can check in http://infobot.rikers.org/%23debian/20150628.html.gz ... and your line was cut off at "to say than" |
| 21:09.03 | Iridos | seems it was hexnewbie |
| 21:09.20 | Iridos | WangDang_, (see topic entry about channel logs) |
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| 21:15.10 | WangDang_ | Thanks for pointing out the cut off : "I wish I could remember who you were, and I hope you are here now, cuz I'd just like to say thanks. It took some figetting and fussing, but it works now. Cheers!" |
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| 21:23.42 | jasabella | hi :) |
| 21:23.55 | SigmaWP | Yep, that seems legit |
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| 21:24.15 | WangDang_ | just checked the irc logs, it was Sunday not yesterday. Thanks hexnewbie! |
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| 21:24.18 | jasabella | when installing debian in expert mode, i'm prompted to provide a link detection timeout value... what does this value actually denote and if i wanted to set a new one after debian is installed, how would I go about doing so? |
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| 21:25.36 | hexnewbie | WangDang_: You're welcome :) I am glad it helped :) |
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| 21:28.38 | echo083 | hello |
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| 21:28.47 | echo083 | should i use http.debian.net or httpredir.debian.org ? |
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| 21:38.51 | Komanda | wich debian versions are effected by the leap second |
| 21:39.04 | Komanda | ? |
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| 21:39.20 | valdyn | Komanda: all? |
| 21:39.24 | matthiaskrgr | :D |
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| 21:39.42 | Komanda | well |
| 21:39.50 | Komanda | but i mean |
| 21:39.51 | Komanda | crashing |
| 21:40.00 | Komanda | data going up in smoke |
| 21:40.04 | Komanda | what is the worst that can happen |
| 21:40.11 | Komanda | i un bucnh of webserves ,mailservers |
| 21:40.15 | jhutchins | Komanda: The same ones that were affected by the y2k bug. |
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| 21:40.33 | valdyn | Komanda: bad question, worst that can happen is that worst that can possibly happen, duh |
| 21:40.42 | Komanda | i don't have anything older than like years |
| 21:40.49 | jhutchins | Komanda: Your lawnmower chasing the neighbors dog down the street. |
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| 21:41.02 | valdyn | Komanda: as far as i know this is not a special leap second, so in all likelyness nothing special will happen unless you run something like etch i guess |
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| 21:42.21 | Komanda | valdyn: ok |
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| 21:43.04 | valdyn | Komanda: i dont remember exactly when linux or debian had leap second issues the last time. I know they were severe for some people. I think you can just google it |
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| 21:43.27 | Komanda | i run cassandra i remeber it being time sensiive |
| 21:43.29 | Komanda | fuck |
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| 21:46.01 | jhutchins | Komanda: OMFG!!EVERYTHING GONNA ASPLODE!!!WE ALL GONNA DIE!!!! |
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| 21:48.20 | acz32 | anyone know how AMD generally performs on debian? particularly AMD E1-6010 |
| 21:48.35 | jhutchins | !AMD |
| 21:48.36 | dpkg | Advanced Micro Devices is a semiconductor manufacturer. For support of ATI/AMD graphics hardware, ask me about <ati>. See also <amd64>, <coolnquiet>, <k7>. |
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| 21:51.59 | whytrytofly | hello |
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| 21:52.13 | whytrytofly | i cant find my tmux.conf on debian...but there somehow must be |
| 21:52.16 | whytrytofly | any ideas =)(? |
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| 21:53.49 | Komanda | all i'm scared of is dataloss, not downtime |
| 21:53.50 | Komanda | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:56.48 | saul0 | debian testing version (weekly-builds) seems to not been generated since 5/18 |
| 21:56.50 | saul0 | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-dvd/ |
| 21:57.06 | saul0 | is it ok to download? |
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| 21:59.31 | cilkay | Hello. In my late_command.sh file, I'm attempting to download and install the VirtualBox guest additions but it doesn't work unless I invoke it manually later. Is there some difference between running "sh /media/cdrom/VBoxLinuxAdditions.run" in a shell script vs in an interactive BASH session? |
| 21:59.34 | shingouz | saul0: should be. just in case you do not know, if the computer in question is already connected to the internet, you can do a simple apt-get update; apt-get upgrade on it to get the latest versions upgraded |
| 22:00.17 | Komanda | http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/962/640/658.png |
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| 22:00.46 | Equa | cilkay: what version of debian? |
| 22:00.53 | cilkay | Jessie |
| 22:01.02 | Equa | ,v virtualbox |
| 22:01.04 | judd | Package: virtualbox on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.1.18-dfsg-2+deb7u3; squeeze-backports: 4.1.18-dfsg-2+deb7u4~bpo60+1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 4.1.18-dfsg-2+deb7u5; wheezy-security: 4.1.18-dfsg-2+deb7u5; wheezy-backports/contrib: 4.3.18-dfsg-2~bpo70+1; jessie-security/contrib: 4.3.18-dfsg-3+deb8u2; jessie/contrib: 4.3.18-dfsg-3+deb8u3; sid/contrib: 4.3.28-dfsg-1+b1; stretch/contrib: 4.3.28-dfsg-1+b1 |
| 22:01.05 | saul0 | shingouz: just wonder if testing is failing to build |
| 22:01.06 | cilkay | My shell is /bin/bash |
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| 22:01.41 | droid909 | guys, i have a 2560 x 1440 display, and font are too small in my debian (xfce) is there and eachy way to scale my desctop? |
| 22:01.42 | shingouz | saul0: no idea about that. ask in #debian-next on oftc? |
| 22:01.50 | droid909 | fonts* |
| 22:02.00 | droid909 | easy way* |
| 22:02.12 | saul0 | shingouz: thz |
| 22:02.36 | shingouz | droid909: xfce should have its own settings panel somewhere |
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| 22:02.53 | Equa | cilkay: are you trying to install that into your vm os? |
| 22:03.00 | cilkay | yes |
| 22:03.15 | cilkay | It will be hosted by a Windows Server eventually. |
| 22:03.39 | cilkay | And to share directories between the host and the guest, I need the VirtualBox guest additions. |
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| 22:03.45 | Equa | cilkay: start the os and mount the cd. then perform the installation there |
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| 22:04.23 | cilkay | It has to be automated. I'm using SaltStack to configure and provision the machine based on a YAML config file that the users provide. |
| 22:04.58 | cilkay | I can install manually without a hitch. I'm at a loss to explain why I can't install in late_command.sh |
| 22:05.55 | cilkay | There is probably some difference in the environment. |
| 22:06.35 | cilkay | With no shared folders, I can't read the config file and Salt can't do its thing. |
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| 22:07.01 | Equa | cilkay: what is the error when you run the script to install it ? |
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| 22:08.18 | cilkay | Manually, there is no error, it works. In the script, the only indication that it didn't work is that the shared folder isn't mounted and the machine drops into single user repair mode on boot. |
| 22:08.39 | cilkay | I have the shared folder mounting in fstab. |
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| 22:10.16 | cilkay | Here is the relevant snippet out of late_command.sh: https://dpaste.de/E5Nt |
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| 22:15.05 | fcp14 | hello please i made the last update & upgrade of debian unstable and lost network-manager applet |
| 22:15.10 | fcp14 | anyone can help please |
| 22:15.21 | polyphagia | so i just removed ~/.cmus and tried running it again, now i'm getting getnodeadd: Can not open /etc/decnet.conf |
| 22:15.45 | polyphagia | apparently it has something to do with decnet and dnet-common? why is this required |
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| 22:16.28 | Amarande | dpkg, tell fcp14 about debian-next |
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| 22:16.42 | fcp14 | thanks |
| 22:17.12 | polyphagia | nvm it's fixed by removing libdnet completely |
| 22:17.38 | Equa | cilkay: check in our log for error running sh /media/cdrom/VboxLinuxAdditions.run. You might have the proper permissions |
| 22:17.58 | Equa | cilkay: *You might not |
| 22:18.02 | at0m|c | fcp14: if you need to ask such question, you're better off running stable. but feel free :) |
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| 22:18.29 | Amarande | I've never used the vbox guest additions ... generally just use a normal network connection between the vm and host to do file transfers |
| 22:18.38 | cilkay | It's root running the script the binary in both cases. |
| 22:18.45 | cilkay | What is a "normal network connection"? |
| 22:19.04 | cilkay | I think you still need the guest additions to have shared folders. |
| 22:19.12 | Amarande | cilkay: as in just connecting to the vm using something like sftp to transfer files |
| 22:19.26 | cilkay | sftp woudln't work but smb might |
| 22:19.32 | cilkay | The host is Windows Server. |
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| 22:19.37 | at0m|c | cilkay: to have Vbox managed shares, not to share smb or nfs or |
| 22:19.42 | Amarande | yeah, you can probably also do it by setting up samba and then having the windows box access the folder on the vm |
| 22:19.57 | Amarande | the whole "guest additions" thing seems a little odd to me in general, tbh |
| 22:20.11 | Amarande | because I was always under the impression that software in a VM isn't even supposed to know it's being virtualised |
| 22:20.24 | Equa | i usually only add it for usb2 or 3 support. |
| 22:20.33 | at0m|c | Amarande: yes, shares can be set up using smb or nfs or git whatever |
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| 22:21.10 | at0m|c | the extra usb or pci cannot simply be done running a service. additions fixes that. |
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| 22:25.20 | AxonetBE | is it possible that I can not ssh because of full hard disk? |
| 22:25.47 | cilkay | Yes. |
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| 22:26.22 | AxonetBE | cilkay: will reboot let me ssh again? |
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| 22:27.07 | Amarande | AxonetBE: it's a tossup whether your machine will even boot properly if disk is totally full |
| 22:27.07 | digdilem | it may not reboot unless you clea some space |
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| 22:27.24 | Amarande | there are a lot of processes that have to write something to disk, if even just to log something, and will fail with "no space left on device" |
| 22:27.34 | cilkay | It depends. If there is a process that has a large temp file open, it might work. It's a long shot. |
| 22:27.34 | AxonetBE | digdilem: how? the only possibilty is by ssh |
| 22:27.53 | Amarande | an absolutely full drive is more or less a "travel there and probably use a rescue disc" scenario |
| 22:28.04 | digdilem | AxonetBE, no ilo? reboot if you have no options left, but be prepared to go travelling, or to bother your host's support. |
| 22:28.13 | cilkay | Or use some out-of-band means of accessing the machine, like a KVM over IP. |
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| 22:28.21 | nebbia | hello everyone... can somebody explain me what's happening with systemd ?i have systemd on my system but still have rc.x directories where the cripts are... |
| 22:28.23 | Amarande | AxonetBE: you're going to have to head out to the data centre, bring a keyboard and monitor, probably a rescue usb/disc too |
| 22:28.30 | nebbia | why there are still scripts there ?? |
| 22:28.33 | digdilem | even opening local console via ilo is going to be tough without any space |
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| 22:29.18 | Amarande | nebbia: legacy compatibility |
| 22:29.30 | nebbia | sorry ? what's legacy compatibility ? |
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| 22:29.39 | Amarande | nebbia: as in sysvinit is still available as a package, so the scripts exist there in case you choose to switch to it |
| 22:30.06 | nebbia | ok... but let's say i create a service and put it in a systemd directory... |
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| 22:30.19 | nebbia | should i make a copy or a link of it and put it in the appropriate directory of rc ? |
| 22:30.24 | cilkay | AxonetBE: I wouldn't reboot that thing without seeing what's going on the console. There could be useful error messages, like disk read errors, flying by on the console that you'd miss if you rebooted and the machine may not reboot. |
| 22:30.31 | Amarande | nebbia: the script itself should be in /etc/init.d |
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| 22:30.52 | nebbia | but isn't /etc/init.d ? a sysVinit thing ? |
| 22:32.27 | Equa | nebbia: systemd will take care of it. you do not need to put your scripts anywhere else |
| 22:33.35 | nebbia | mmh... no once i put a script in /etc/init.d shouldn't i choose in which target/runlevel i want to call it ? |
| 22:33.58 | Equa | nebbia: are you on jessie? systemd is the default now. |
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| 22:34.22 | nebbia | yes,,, ok... but the questions are... 1) is /etc/init.d a sysVinit directory ? |
| 22:34.55 | nebbia | if i want a service to run on specific target... "systemd target runlevel" where should i put my service ? |
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| 22:35.28 | Amarande | I'm still actually trying to figure out just where systemd actually keeps the startup stuff :S |
| 22:35.41 | Amarande | although you probably want to have a traditional script in /etc/init.d too |
| 22:35.41 | nebbia | i know where... |
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| 22:35.45 | nebbia | but the fact is... |
| 22:35.50 | Amarande | just in case you need to manually start/stop/restart whatever it is :) |
| 22:35.59 | nebbia | let's say i put my service in systemd dirs... now should i make a copy in rc ? |
| 22:36.26 | nebbia | or when i install sysVinit in a future moment i should copy my services? |
| 22:36.33 | nebbia | in sysVinit dirs ? |
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| 22:36.50 | Amarande | ... no wonder everyone hates systemd |
| 22:37.10 | Amarande | it's one of those "did we really need to change when we've known stuff works like this for years" things :| |
| 22:37.10 | Equa | Amarande: it's a bit confusing where and how it starts |
| 22:37.36 | Amarande | and there seem to be quite a lot of people having trouble getting their services to properly work with it, too, even this far down the line |
| 22:37.54 | Amarande | (as in "far enough down the line for it to be in debian stable", which usually tends to mean the software in question is already far from new) |
| 22:37.58 | Equa | nebbia: i normally just do systemctl enable your.service. then systemctl start service |
| 22:38.20 | Amarande | sysvinit and X were just fine, we don't really NEED systemd and wayland :| |
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| 22:38.25 | nebbia | what about all the scripts i found in rc.x ? should i just ignore those? |
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| 22:39.05 | Amarande | those are symlinks to scripts in init.d, actually, and I'm not 100% sure what if anything systemd actually does with those |
| 22:39.10 | Equa | nebbia: if you're using systemd then it wouldn't matter. no more run levels. the systemd starts up as process 1 and load the rest |
| 22:39.28 | SuperTramp83 | ciao nebbia! |
| 22:40.02 | nebbia | ciao tramp =) |
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| 22:40.45 | Amarande | especially since it seems like wayland promises to be a messy transition, especially for anyone with discrete graphics :( |
| 22:41.08 | Amarande | not all GPUs still get updated drivers, older drivers won't work with wayland, not every GPU (especially nvidia) does that great with the open source drivers ... |
| 22:41.48 | Equa | xorg will stay this way for a long time |
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| 22:42.30 | Amarande | like, if you want to be prepared for wayland, do you basically have to buy a bleeding edge GPU to hope to have proper driver support for it by the time it makes it to debian ... |
| 22:42.55 | Amarande | (because the older ones won't get driver updates that are compatible with wayland, only xorg support) |
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| 22:43.22 | Amarande | then if you DO buy a bleeding edge GPU you're basically forced to move off stable (backports have a habit of not going back far enough, and proprietary driver is usually mandatory for anything current-gen that's not intel) |
| 22:43.26 | Equa | bleeding edge + debian stable don't mix |
| 22:43.54 | Amarande | yeah, I know, at one point (before I decided I didn't need a new graphics card after all) I was pondering getting an R7 360 |
| 22:44.11 | Amarande | because it's basically the same as an R7 260X, but newer hardware and better support longevity, and a little cheaper |
| 22:44.35 | Amarande | then I realised "R7 360 on linux means I'm probably stuck with using Beryllium Eight Linux, er, I mean Fedora" LOL |
| 22:45.02 | Equa | lol. i'm sure it wont' come to that. |
| 22:45.04 | Amarande | whereas the 260X should even work on debian stable at this point |
| 22:45.50 | Amarande | yeah I don't even know how fedora expects to solve the GPU conundrum if they want to introduce wayland :) |
| 22:46.19 | Amarande | there's always that gap between current proprietary driver support and reasonably current foss driver support (especially on Nvidia, AMD doesn't seem too bad, my 7850's doing just ducky with the open source drivers) |
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| 22:47.01 | Amarande | unless the eventual advice for linux users is going to become to get an Intel CPU with integrated graphics and forget about discrete cards altogether :) |
| 22:47.29 | Equa | not for gamers |
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| 22:54.43 | r6ku | I've heard that xonotic runs just fine with integrated graphics on those high-end intel CPUs |
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| 23:15.08 | s7r | what would be a nice tool to gather statitics about cpu/ram/network/hdd usage per running daemon? |
| 23:15.15 | s7r | possibly with email alerts, etc |
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| 23:17.09 | ryouma | sar is one system stat tool |
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| 23:52.45 | Komanda | 7 minutes till the internet breaks |
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| 23:55.18 | mns | What versoin of GCC is Debian/Stretch supposed to default to ? |
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| 23:56.04 | veek | how do i fix xterm and utf-8/elinks rendering of a test page - it's partly broken |
| 23:56.26 | themill | mns: at the moment, 4.9 |
| 23:57.35 | veek | it renders like so : http://imgur.com/l78LMU7 |
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| 23:58.27 | acz32 | haven't had any security updates on debian for about a week now.. |
| 23:58.27 | veek | it should render like so http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/ucs/examples/UTF-8-demo.txt |
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| 23:59.40 | abrotman | acz32: not true |
| 23:59.54 | mns | themill: ok thanks. |
