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| 06:14.59 | Haxxa | hello |
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| 06:15.12 | SirLagz | Haxxa: hai |
| 06:15.56 | Haxxa | I am wondering i need to add this to /etc/modules.conf - |
| 06:15.59 | Haxxa | options loop max_loop=64 |
| 06:16.28 | Haxxa | debain doesn't have that file - should I create a new file or add it to modprobe.d as a new conf or what? |
| 06:16.53 | SirLagz | Haxxa: up to you. |
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| 06:17.13 | SirLagz | Haxxa: I think adding a conf file to modprobe.d is probably the recommended way though |
| 06:17.15 | Haxxa | will both work? |
| 06:17.34 | SirLagz | Haxxa: should do |
| 06:17.48 | Haxxa | SirLagz, so just a new file with " |
| 06:17.50 | Haxxa | options loop max_loop=64" named loop.conf under modprobe.d? |
| 06:17.53 | mrrhq | I've barely used loop devices myself, I'm suprised anyone would need that many. |
| 06:18.06 | mrrhq | What do you use them for? |
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| 06:18.12 | Haxxa | mrrhq, every container I run needs a loop |
| 06:19.05 | Haxxa | They are failing to start otherwise - lxc-start 20150427012246.914 ERROR bdev - bdev.c:find_free_loopdev:1907 - No loop device found |
| 06:19.27 | SirLagz | Haxxa: yeah that should do |
| 06:19.42 | mrrhq | Oh, cool. I think I only really have one chroot, which is not really a container in itself. |
| 06:19.47 | SirLagz | Haxxa: might need to reboot ? Or at least rmmod and modprobe |
| 06:19.55 | Haxxa | SirLagz, will do |
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| 06:20.28 | Haxxa | SirLagz, really anooyed deleted all whole bunch of containers thinking they were broken when all it was was not having enough loop devices |
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| 06:22.39 | SirLagz | Haxxa: that sucks |
| 06:22.51 | symtex | mrrhq: same deal :( |
| 06:23.15 | SirLagz | I use docker myself....but should tyr out rkt and plain ol' LXC too |
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| 06:26.46 | Haxxa | SirLagz, didn't work |
| 06:27.08 | Haxxa | I have afile there but the changes were not loaded |
| 06:27.12 | Haxxa | fbdev-blacklist.conf loop.conf |
| 06:27.23 | Haxxa | This "/etc/modprobe.d# ls |
| 06:27.24 | Haxxa | fbdev-blacklist.conf loop.conf |
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| 06:28.04 | SirLagz | Haxxa: I need to check when I get home. I forget how to do it exactly |
| 06:28.35 | SirLagz | Haxxa: I had to set some options for my TV Tuner card so I've done something similar |
| 06:28.52 | Haxxa | SirLagz, same |
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| 06:34.17 | rdz | hey.. i'm using Debian 8 in an OpenVZ container.. for some reason 'apt-get install' is significantly slower than on Debian 7 containers.. it seems its the unpacking stage that takes much longer |
| 06:34.22 | asterismo | hi people |
| 06:34.36 | asterismo | is safe to install picasa from google repos, add the sources.list line? |
| 06:34.38 | rdz | i'm not the first to report this: https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2014/10/msg02050.html |
| 06:34.44 | rdz | why could that be? |
| 06:34.48 | asterismo | deb http://dl.google.com/linux/deb stable non-free |
| 06:34.50 | asterismo | ^^ |
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| 06:35.30 | rdz | asterismo, what do you mean by "safe"? |
| 06:35.37 | mrrhq | Hm, so has anybody gotten text and graphical corruptions form the latest Sid kernel? I don't know if it's the kernel that's the issue, but it's been happening all across the system, even my WM is affected, just text characters randomly disappearing. |
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| 06:36.05 | Haxxa | any ideas I want to increase the number of loop devices - nothing I do is working? |
| 06:36.33 | mrrhq | According to lsmod, I have i915 loaded, which is Intel's integrated graphics. |
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| 06:37.35 | mrrhq | Haxxa: I wish I knew. have you rebooted or reloaded the module(s) after making those changes? |
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| 06:38.51 | asterismo | rdz: the frankendebian thing... |
| 06:38.57 | asterismo | !dpkg frankendebian |
| 06:38.57 | dpkg | When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help. |
| 06:39.09 | asterismo | i mean |
| 06:39.16 | asterismo | does anyone uses it? |
| 06:39.18 | asterismo | picasa? |
| 06:39.27 | asterismo | i think it's on dialisys |
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| 06:40.27 | mrrhq | Ugh, I really need to try an older kernel and figure out wtf is wrong with the text on my GUI applications. This sucks. |
| 06:41.35 | Haxxa | mrrhq, yes |
| 06:41.45 | Haxxa | mrrhq, well I just rebooted |
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| 06:42.37 | jacks__ | hi |
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| 06:44.48 | jacks__ | i tried to use a really old source and build a program called slap which apparently works with it, but it only supports serial connections -- i have mine connected via usb. |
| 06:44.53 | jacks__ | any ideas? |
| 06:46.03 | jacks__ | i tried the seiko drivers obviously for this model but it usually prints the label and only prints half of the last characters on the label |
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| 07:13.06 | Guest93626 | Hi |
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| 07:14.17 | tomivs | How to boot a Windows USB on Debian 8.1? |
| 07:14.51 | Chetic | what's the best way to modify a system so that it installs a package on boot? packages that create users etc. the system isn't really usable (i.e. no login) until this package is installed |
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| 07:16.05 | Chetic | is placing a script that does apt-get install in /etc/rc.0/Ksomething a bad idea? |
| 07:16.15 | Chetic | I wanna do this by the book if possible |
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| 07:22.00 | RudyValencia | So I've set up a Debian 8 VM and added my user to group sudo, but when I try to sudo as that user I get "[username] is not in the sudoers file", why is it refusing to let my regular user sudo? |
| 07:22.19 | Equa | RudyValencia: you need to relog |
| 07:22.25 | RudyValencia | oh |
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| 07:23.56 | RudyValencia | thx |
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| 07:36.25 | claint | !less |
| 07:36.26 | dpkg | [less] a program on Unix and Unix-like systems used to view (but not change) the contents of a text file one screen at a time. It is similar to <more>, but has the extended capability of allowing both forward and backward navigation through the file. Unlike vi (which can also be used to view files), less does not need to read the entire file before starting, resulting in faster load times with large files. |
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| 07:37.09 | claint | how did I make less list the contents of tar files? |
| 07:38.25 | Equa | cliffer: you want to list the content of tar? |
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| 07:40.07 | claint | Equa: There was a way to make less show the contents, yeah as in "tar -tvf" |
| 07:40.30 | Equa | cliffer: what's the file compression? |
| 07:40.45 | Equa | claint: sorry. that was meant for you |
| 07:41.25 | claint | Equa: gotcha, np. it is .tgz, so I can already view it with tar -ztvf, just wanted less command to do it. |
| 07:42.03 | Equa | claint: pipe it | less |
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| 07:42.26 | claint | Equa: :) |
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| 07:43.19 | claint | Equa: You can configure less so that it runs commands prior and pipes it to itself. |
| 07:43.32 | claint | Equa: less to type to less that way |
| 07:43.54 | Equa | claint: ty. will keep that in mind |
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| 07:47.15 | Zipf | Hello, i'm new to linux, been using for almost a year now, two days ago i've upgraded from the old squeezy to wheezy, everythijng is fine, just one thing is weirdo, how do i get the "old" bar, or menu bar just like it was on squeezy ? that activities menu is weirdo to me |
| 07:47.58 | Equa | Zipf: look into tint2 |
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| 07:48.32 | claint | Equa: Ok, figured it out. You need to configure LESSOPEN environment variable, so you can use lesspipe command. If you type lesspipe command by itself, it gives you the necessary environment settings to define. |
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| 07:49.00 | wincyj | hello does anyone use Plesk Panel? |
| 07:49.15 | wincyj | I need information if Plesk v 10.4 runs properly with php-5.4 |
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| 07:49.27 | wincyj | i'd be glad if someone can answer me :) |
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| 07:50.29 | SPF | wincyj: I have no experience with Plesk |
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| 07:52.08 | claint | wincyj: might be a good idea to ask it in #php instead |
| 07:52.35 | wincyj | ah ye |
| 07:52.47 | wincyj | im on #plesk but seems like its idlers chan :) |
| 07:52.51 | wincyj | thx for advice |
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| 08:16.20 | thomaschaaf | Hello I want to start an install with a remote (http) preseed file. I have a grub entry which contains the url. Is there a way to specify the http_proxy aswell? |
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| 08:22.40 | at0m|c | syntroPi: in screen, you can ^A-Esc then PgUp/PgDn and mouse scroll. no need for scrolling xterm directly. |
| 08:22.45 | qis | how do I restart the dhcp client on an interface during installation? |
| 08:23.33 | revolve | getting an error compiling htop; it's saying checking for curses.h... yes |
| 08:23.33 | revolve | configure: error: missing libraries: libncurses |
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| 08:24.18 | at0m|c | syntroPi: you might want to, but i get rid of scroll bar when inside screen - saves me a character or 2 in width |
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| 08:30.39 | syntroPi | at0m|c, hmm that does not seem to work, i am using nano a lot so i really want to have mousewheel scrolling there (and in the other programs i start from screen terminals) |
| 08:31.04 | syntroPi | they mousewheel scroll out of the box with screen but not the xterm scrollback buffer |
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| 08:31.43 | syntroPi | when i enable that in .screenrc with "termcapinfo xterm ti@:te@" all mousewheel scrolling in other programs is broken |
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| 08:33.03 | at0m|c | syntroPi: that's why i use no xterm scrollback but screen's ^A-Esc |
| 08:34.34 | syntroPi | at0m|c, that does nothing on my setup |
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| 08:42.14 | kqr | does anyone happen to know how I can disable the power button on my laptop? it is way too easy to press by accident. I found one stackexchange answer about it but the comments suggested it was outdated. |
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| 08:52.02 | gerforce | Recently, i read a book about bash, it tells a feature of unix-based operating systems about the way space on a disk is reserved for a file. For example, if you overwrite a 1MB file with a sigle byte, linux still reserves 1MB disk space for the file. But it seems wrong when i overwrite a big file with one character, the size of that file changed. Is this feature no longer exist or i missing anything? |
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| 08:58.18 | Psy-Q | did the way locales are configured change between wheezy and jessie? i'm wondering if an ansible role created to manage wheezy locales might work with jessie: https://github.com/f500/ansible-locale |
| 08:58.36 | jacks__ | gerforce: look up sparse files? |
| 08:59.27 | jelly | gerforce: you can always use "du" command to experiment and look at actual disk usage on different filesystem types and different file sizes |
| 09:02.26 | syntroPi | is there a more advanced alternative to screen? many things seem broken when using screen over ssh... |
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| 09:02.44 | jelly | dpkg, tell Psy-Q about locale |
| 09:03.04 | fireba11 | syntroPi: using irssi over screen over puttty here and it works fine? :-D |
| 09:03.14 | linc_ | syntroPi: tmux maybe, haven't tried it myself though |
| 09:03.15 | jelly | dpkg, tell Psy-Q about locales |
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| 09:03.18 | gerforce | jelly: yes, i mean the feature doesn't seem exist anymore. |
| 09:03.28 | jelly | sorry about that first wrong factoid, Psy-Q |
| 09:03.36 | Psy-Q | jelly: no prob |
| 09:03.46 | Psy-Q | it seems to me then that it's the same in jessie as in wheezy |
| 09:03.50 | Psy-Q | that all reads familiar, at least |
| 09:04.07 | Psy-Q | i'll shove that role at a jessie server and see what happens, then :D |
| 09:04.53 | gerforce | jacks__: i want to know whether the feature still exists. |
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| 09:05.16 | syntroPi | im just trying to emulate the normal xterm over ssh behaviour with sticky sessions so when my connection breaks i can reattach to it |
| 09:05.17 | jelly | gerforce: it's hard to say which feature you're actually talking about |
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| 09:05.49 | Eising | Hey, I have an older debian server running with full CPU utilization after the leap second occured. Is there a way to fix that without rebooting? |
| 09:05.56 | syntroPi | but using screen yields display errors in some programs, and i would have to manually fix so many things that just worked before |
| 09:06.14 | syntroPi | hence my question for a better alternative providing that functionality |
| 09:06.34 | jelly | Eising: are there java processes involved? |
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| 09:06.51 | Eising | jelly: you bet |
| 09:07.13 | jelly | Eising: stop ntp service if running, and just set the time with date -s (to the same value) |
| 09:07.49 | SirLagz | syntroPi: have you tried to use screen with the -T xterm flag ? |
| 09:08.19 | jelly | Eising: copy/paste from 2012: service ntp stop; date -s "`date`"; service ntp start |
| 09:09.05 | syntroPi | SirLagz, currently im invoking it like "[ "$TERM" != "screen" -a -n "$SSH_CONNECTION" ] && screen -qRR && exit 0" in .bashrc on the server |
| 09:09.14 | Eising | jelly: thanks! That seemed to work :) |
| 09:09.25 | kqr | syntroPi, tmux is the most popular alternative to screen. whether or not it counts as more advanced I don't know |
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| 09:10.11 | fireba11 | syntroPi: screen -x? |
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| 09:12.13 | gerforce | jelly: i will be more specific here: If i have a 5MB file called example.txt, when i execute "echo "a" > example.txt", linux still reserves 5Mb disk space for that file. That is what the feature talks about. |
| 09:12.48 | jelly | gerforce: that is not accurate, and probably never was |
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| 09:13.38 | jacks__ | it doesn't include null bytes hence sparse files |
| 09:13.59 | aleray | hi, I'm looking for a simple to configure, secure irc server. What do you advise on debian jessie? |
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| 09:15.45 | yei | hola |
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| 09:16.27 | shibly | Hi |
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| 09:17.18 | shibly | Anyone there? |
| 09:17.31 | shibly | I have a problem with jessie pppoeconf |
| 09:17.34 | shibly | May i ask? |
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| 09:17.43 | syntroPi | SirLagz, fireba11, screen -x as well as screen -T xterm seems to be the standard behavour: scrolling in programs work but not in the terminal buffer |
| 09:18.02 | gerforce | jacks__: what do you think about this? |
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| 09:20.13 | linc_ | syntroPi: not even with ctrl+a escape and then scrolling with the arrow keys or pg up/pg down? |
| 09:20.52 | gerforce | jelly: i read it from a book. Maybe it is obosolete. |
| 09:22.21 | shibly | during boot i see a service starts to raise network, how can i stop it? |
| 09:22.34 | syntroPi | linc_, ctrl + a then esc seems to enable scrolling in the terminal buffer and esc to disable it again |
| 09:22.47 | syntroPi | but thats very unconvenient |
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| 09:23.12 | shibly | ifconfig shows eth0,lo,ppp0 , route -n displays two ppp0 , but ping google.com doesn't have any reply |
| 09:23.17 | linc_ | syntroPi: yeah it's a bit cumbersome.. i have gotten used to it though. :) dont know if tmux handles it better |
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| 09:23.39 | shibly | What can be the reason ? How can i get networking work? |
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| 09:23.54 | syntroPi | linc_, also it wont use the scrollbar of e.g. gnome-terminal |
| 09:24.54 | linc_ | syntroPi: thats true, with ctrl+a escape you're scrolling in screens terminal buffer... i think your terminal client is unaware of the scrolling (it's the same with putty) |
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| 09:25.29 | syntroPi | linc_, but better to have scrolling in programs than just in the tbuff... sight |
| 09:26.10 | shibly | Can anyone answer me? |
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| 09:28.42 | syntroPi | linc_, i wish screen would be more transparent, e.g. also display current directrory in title bars and such, seems it was not ment for that though |
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| 09:34.13 | shibly | I have a problem with pppoeconf |
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| 09:40.29 | cast | shibly: go on. |
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| 09:43.09 | shibly | cast, ifconfig shows eth0,lo,ppp0 , but ping google.com doesn't reply anything, why? |
| 09:43.23 | shibly | cast, pppoeconf |
| 09:43.31 | shibly | cast, debian jessie installed |
| 09:44.31 | linc_ | syntroPi: it's pretty configuratble though.. here's what my screen looks like (the blue bar at the bottom is screen and the different windows in screen i have): http://lincolainen.se/slask/screen.png |
| 09:45.14 | shibly | It's windows, i will be back |
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| 09:59.20 | knivsta | hi |
| 10:00.05 | cast | shidima: pastebin `ip a; cat /etc/resolv.conf` |
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| 10:01.56 | cast | ^i suppose that's a multistep request, in light of his lack of immediate internet |
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| 10:04.44 | syntroPi | linc_, e.g. scrolling manpages "over the top " make my screen hang or corrupt the rendering |
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| 10:05.41 | linc_ | syntroPi: yeah i know what you meant :) i don't have a good solution for it though.' |
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| 10:07.51 | cast | so, i'd like to have when a user logins (through getty) that they end up in the non-default network namespace |
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| 10:08.32 | cast | said namespace would either be precreated or created when they login |
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| 10:16.11 | dob1 | hi, many packages suggests the resolvconf package, but i don't understant what it is useful for... i have just configured /etc/resolv.conf, does it configure this file automatically i some way? |
| 10:17.06 | Shadur | dob1: Pretty much. It also provides hooks for other packages to add information to /etc/resolv.conf (for instance, when a network interface or internet connection goes up/down) |
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| 10:17.54 | dob1 | Shadur, but it overrides my setting on resolv.conf (file) ? |
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| 10:18.14 | nkuttler | dob1: see also apt-cache show <package> and /usr/share/doc/<package> |
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| 10:18.39 | Shadur | Yes. You'll want to add any personal modifications you make to a file in /etc/resolvconf |
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| 10:19.15 | dob1 | thanks guys |
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| 10:19.35 | shibly | Networking is working now |
| 10:19.54 | shibly | What's the command to install gnome desktop environment from command line console mode ? |
| 10:20.00 | shibly | aptitude install gnome ?? |
| 10:20.48 | shibly | cast: ^ |
| 10:21.14 | shibly | some problem was with username , password for pppoeconf |
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| 10:23.43 | at0m|c | shibly: open aptitude. scroll down to Tasks, End-user, Gnome. press + to select for install. press g to review packages that will be installed. adjust per taste (review 'recommended' tree). when satisfied, press g to install |
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| 10:24.25 | at0m|c | bit longer than aptitude install task-gnome-desktop, but so much more tailored. |
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| 10:27.53 | shibly | at0m|c: It is console , no graphical desktop |
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| 10:28.12 | at0m|c | yup |
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| 10:31.10 | syntroPi | linc_, when using "termcapinfo xterm* ti@:te@" in ~/.screenrc adding "set mouse=a" and "set ttymouse=xterm2" in .vimrc enabled mousewheel there |
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| 10:49.59 | Chetic | what happens to a debian package's states if one of its files is removed? |
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| 10:52.10 | fireba11 | Chetic: afaik nothing |
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| 11:11.43 | knivsta | hi |
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| 11:34.01 | prem | hi all |
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| 11:34.28 | prem | how can i disable the notifications shown when a usb is inserted |
| 11:34.55 | prem | if i disable the notification settings from gnome-control-center, then whole of the notification is gone |
| 11:35.13 | prem | i just want to disable only the usb mounting / unmounting notifications |
| 11:37.01 | linc_ | syntroPi: okay, nice :) |
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| 11:40.54 | Eduard_Munteanu | What happens if some package depends on sshd being installed? Do you get SSH automagically enabled as a service? |
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| 11:42.13 | centrx | Eduard_Munteanu, Installing openssh-server enables it as a service, yes |
| 11:43.02 | Eduard_Munteanu | Mm, ok. |
| 11:43.05 | Eduard_Munteanu | barfs a bit |
| 11:43.35 | centrx | Eduard_Munteanu, But there are packages for the library and the client, you may only need those as the dependency |
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| 11:45.19 | elfranne | can someone explain the difference between msql -p and mysql -u root@localhost -p and why only the first works ... |
| 11:45.38 | elfranne | *mysql not mssql |
| 11:46.50 | phogg | elfranne: To understand thus log in, switch to the 'mysql' database and select * from users; |
| 11:48.09 | elfranne | phogg: ERROR 1146 (42S02): Table 'mysql.users' doesn't exist |
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| 12:32.00 | BluesKaj | Hiyas all |
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| 12:35.01 | s4ndm4n | Is is possible to upgrade from Squeeze to Jessie skipping Wheezy? |
| 12:36.28 | jelly | s4ndm4n: no |
| 12:36.39 | Eduard_Munteanu | Great, cdebootstrap fails to install with additional packages. |
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| 12:37.46 | s4ndm4n | jelly: Thanks for the info. :D |
| 12:38.11 | jelly | you're welcome! |
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| 12:39.18 | jelly | s4ndm4n: if you try, you won't get some relevant fixes that only exist for squeeze->wheezy transition, and for wheezy->jessie transition |
| 12:39.54 | s4ndm4n | jelly: Meaning I can easily screw up? |
| 12:40.39 | jelly | s4ndm4n: no. It means you'll have leftover, wrong configuration and data that won't ever get fixed |
| 12:40.51 | planetmaker | s4ndm4n, you might consider to backup the system and install jessie from scratch |
| 12:40.54 | s4ndm4n | jelly: Ah. |
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| 12:42.27 | s4ndm4n | I have to be honest here. I am performing tests in a VM to see if I can skip versions in Debian and Ubuntu. |
| 12:43.19 | s4ndm4n | I screwed up Ubuntu :( |
| 12:44.17 | jelly | s4ndm4n: for Debian, skipping releases is completey unsupported. We're not likely to help you fix the bugs introduced that way, because they would have been avoided easily by doing release upgrades as documented in release notes for each successive release. |
| 12:45.34 | jelly | many packages have nasty workarounds put in place just so the release upgrade works, and those workarounds get removed in the release after that because they're not needed any more |
| 12:45.46 | s4ndm4n | jelly: Got that. :) I wouldn't even bother to ask for fixes if I did that. :) |
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| 12:46.19 | jelly | doing experiments, however, is just fine :-) |
| 12:46.51 | s4ndm4n | jelly: :D |
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| 13:00.54 | rabbitear | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVqVDalemVQ |
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| 13:05.55 | smeghead | ahoj |
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| 13:07.36 | zamba | when upgrading a system, one of the post-scripts wasn't run completely |
| 13:07.39 | zamba | how can i rerun that? |
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| 13:12.24 | Brigo | zamba, reinstall the package |
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| 13:35.36 | pjotter | Hello everyone |
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| 13:37.28 | pjotter | I'm trying to install Debian 8.1 on my Eee Laptop but for some reason the installation fails everytime I try. At about 80% into the installation, the computer suddenly reboots. Any ideas on what causes this? |
| 13:38.33 | KM0201 | pjotter: weird... which install disk are you using? |
| 13:38.47 | pjotter | I am using a live CD on an USB stick |
| 13:39.20 | KM0201 | assuming you have a high speed internet connectoin.. maybe try the Netinst CD? |
| 13:39.54 | pjotter | I can try. Still wondering as to why it doesn't work with a regular live CD installation. |
| 13:40.11 | KM0201 | could be a problem w/ the ISO |
| 13:40.26 | pjotter | I can try the old 8.0, see if that one works? |
| 13:40.36 | at0m|c | md5sum the iso? |
| 13:40.43 | KM0201 | that was my next suggestion |
| 13:40.59 | pjotter | Ok, how do I md5sum the ISO? |
| 13:41.19 | at0m|c | md5sum debian*.iso |
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| 13:41.26 | r6ku | pjotter: which iso are you using? |
| 13:41.27 | pjotter | right :) |
| 13:42.10 | pjotter | It's the: debian-live-8.1.0-amd64-xfce-desktop.iso |
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| 13:43.58 | pjotter | So I md5summed the thing and it says: 350a016e29079a4d545bbaa380e790ea |
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| 13:45.54 | r6ku | nothing wrong with the image at least |
| 13:46.08 | pjotter | Where can I check the md5sum? |
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| 13:46.33 | r6ku | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/MD5SUMS |
| 13:46.59 | pjotter | Ah great! Yes, so it seems to be in order |
| 13:47.49 | pjotter | I copied it unto an USB with the universal USB installer from pendrivelinux.com |
| 13:47.52 | r6ku | now check the integrity of the usb, boot with it and select that option from the menu |
| 13:48.12 | pjotter | Ok, his will take some time... |
| 13:48.15 | pjotter | this |
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| 13:49.56 | pjotter | what option should I use from the menu? |
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| 13:50.34 | themill | pjotter: does "universal USB installer" rewrite the image or does it just copy it across to the device? |
| 13:50.48 | pjotter | I have: Live (amd64), Live (amd64 failsafe), Install, Graphical Install Advanced Options |
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| 13:50.57 | r6ku | try advanced, it should be in there somewhere |
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| 13:52.32 | pjotter | Ok, Advanced options: Back.., Hardware Detection Tool (HDT), Memory Diagnostic Tool (memtest86+) |
| 13:52.55 | pjotter | There doesn't seem to be an option to check the integrity of the usb |
| 13:53.28 | pjotter | themill: Universal USB installer formats and then copies the files unto the USB |
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| 13:54.04 | Delf | Is it possible to use Jessie with an older kernel? lspci gets stuck with current kernel. |
| 13:54.35 | r6ku | it's not there?? |
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| 13:55.22 | themill | formatting should not be necessary -- that doesn't sound good |
| 13:55.39 | pjotter | themill: formatting is optional. |
| 13:56.00 | r6ku | found it, it's in rescue mode |
| 13:56.09 | pjotter | ok |
| 13:56.23 | themill | pjotter: it still sounds like it is doing exactly what it should not |
| 13:56.35 | r6ku | enter rescue mode, once it asked you for a locale/language back out with ESC and pick check CD/DVD integrity |
| 13:57.40 | pjotter | r6ku: Is that the "Live (amd64 failsafe) option? |
| 13:58.16 | r6ku | no it's rescue mode from advanced |
| 13:58.36 | pjotter | Uhm.. there is no 'rescue mode' in Advanced |
| 13:58.44 | BluesKaj | Delf, 3.16.0-4? |
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| 13:58.58 | r6ku | wtf? |
| 13:59.01 | pjotter | Just these: Back.., Hardware Detection Tool (HDT), Memory Diagnostic Tool (memtest86+) |
| 13:59.16 | themill | r6ku: pjotter has the live image not the installer |
| 13:59.32 | pjotter | Should I rather use the installer version? |
| 13:59.49 | r6ku | yeah, let's do that instead... |
| 13:59.56 | pjotter | Is that the Netinstall version? |
| 14:00.28 | themill | the installer is certainly more reliable than the live images for installation; you should also copy it onto the device as described in the install guide and not using some other utility that mangles the image |
| 14:00.36 | pjotter | Well, this LiveCD version does have an "install" option that looks like a regular installation |
| 14:01.11 | Delf | BluesKaj: Yes |
| 14:01.31 | themill | pjotter: I'm not saying that it doesn't. |
| 14:01.40 | pjotter | So, in general. What should I do? What image should I download and how do I get Debian on the Eee PC? |
| 14:01.51 | r6ku | pjotter: download the netinstall image |
| 14:01.59 | jelly | Delf: you can easily have jessie userspace with wheezy or even squeeze kernel, but may have to switch to sysvinit instead of systemd as the init system |
| 14:02.12 | BluesKaj | Delf, where does lspci stall? ...got a pastebin ? |
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| 14:03.23 | r6ku | pjotter: here's the link http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/8.1.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-8.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 14:04.18 | Delf | BluesKaj: I gt NO output from lspci. The kernel in squeeze doesn't stall lspci. I'm going to try wheezy live now. |
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| 14:06.00 | pjotter | r6ku: I am clicking my way through the pages on Debian.org but can't seem to find the one I need. I need the netinstall 8.1.0 XFCE version. If possible I want to download it from a european server. |
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| 14:06.42 | r6ku | pjotter: there is no xfce version of netinstall, you pick which DE you want during the installation, it also automatically selects mirrors closest to you |
| 14:07.05 | pjotter | Ok, I didn;t know that. |
| 14:08.10 | themill | dpkg: tell pjotter about various cd1 |
| 14:08.23 | BluesKaj | Delf, did you try the other options with lspcis , like lspci -v etc? |
| 14:08.30 | pjotter | So, I can just put this ISO on an USB and try to boot it on the Eee comp? Any ideas on how to get the ISO on the USB? |
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| 14:08.51 | r6ku | pjotter: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/USB_flash_installation_media |
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| 14:09.01 | themill | pjotter: what OS are you currently using? |
| 14:09.03 | Delf | BluesKaj: I do not remember, but I'm assuming I did try. |
| 14:09.08 | pjotter | I tried several programs but Universal USB Installer seems to be the only one that actually works with me. |
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| 14:09.16 | pjotter | I use Xubuntu |
| 14:09.20 | r6ku | use dd |
| 14:09.25 | BluesKaj | Delf, hmm, shouldn't assume |
| 14:09.25 | themill | pjotter: cp foo.is /dev/sdX |
| 14:09.43 | Delf | dd if=img.iso of=/dev/sd� |
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| 14:09.58 | themill | dpkg: tell pjotter about install guide |
| 14:10.35 | Delf | BluesKaj: I should remember! But I'll try again very soon. |
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| 14:11.17 | pjotter | Ok, themill. I'll just try the dd thing and see what happens... be back in some time... |
| 14:11.37 | r6ku | you also need to be root for the command to work |
| 14:11.41 | themill | Or you could just use the much simpler cp command which is even the documented method. |
| 14:13.18 | BluesKaj | cp didn't work for me, the image was there but the OS wouldn't boot, themill |
| 14:13.40 | BluesKaj | but dd worked just fine |
| 14:13.49 | at0m|c | BluesKaj: cp the iso content, not the .iso file |
| 14:13.51 | themill | there's no difference other than speed and scope for screwing up |
| 14:14.25 | Delf | themill: Which one has speed and/or scope for screwing up? |
| 14:14.28 | pjotter | Ok, I dd-ed it. Everything seems to be on the USB now. About 300 Mb. |
| 14:14.45 | pjotter | now trying to bootthe Eee with the newly created USB... :D |
| 14:14.45 | BluesKaj | themill, perhaps in theory , but in my case cp didn't cut it |
| 14:14.49 | themill | Delf: cp can be faster and is s simpler command |
| 14:15.05 | themill | BluesKaj: then you screwed up the command... it's copying bits. |
| 14:15.17 | r6ku | pjotter: check the integrity of the usb and use text install |
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| 14:15.33 | themill | Without you actually telling us what command you used, we don't get past "it didn't work for me", "so you screwed up". |
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| 14:16.48 | Delf | Does copying the content of the iso (mounting iso and copying recursively) make the target usb device bootable? |
| 14:16.55 | themill | no |
| 14:17.01 | pjotter | Ok, I get an "isolinux.bin is missing or corrupt" |
| 14:17.08 | Delf | Good, I was unable to understand it, if it did. |
| 14:17.17 | themill | pjotter: precisely what command did you use? |
| 14:17.22 | BluesKaj | themill, uhm, nevermind , i was merely expainining my experience with the cp command to a usb stick ...it failed several times and that's all |
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| 14:18.20 | pjotter | themill: I did "sudo dd if=debian-8.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso of=/dev/sdc1" |
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| 14:18.43 | themill | pjotter: /dev/sdc not /dev/sdc1. |
| 14:19.05 | pjotter | Strnage my USB is sdc1 |
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| 14:19.11 | themill | no |
| 14:19.14 | r6ku | it's /dev/sdc |
| 14:19.15 | Delf | Kernel 3.2.0-4 seems to be working fine. lspci produces expected output. |
| 14:19.24 | pjotter | Ok. What's sdc1? |
| 14:19.36 | themill | pjotter: a partition on that usb disk |
| 14:19.38 | r6ku | a partition on your usb |
| 14:19.42 | pjotter | ah, ok |
| 14:19.53 | pjotter | We'll be right back folks :D |
| 14:19.54 | Delf | pjotter: the first partition on the device |
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| 14:22.17 | Delf | It's an Asus K53BY. The K53BR seems to have same issues with lspci. It's also impossible to do poweroff. The laptop just stalls. |
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| 14:24.51 | pjotter | Ok, now the USB is corrupted or something. So I have to first fix the USB |
| 14:25.21 | KM0201 | .. |
| 14:26.13 | Miesco | help please! weird error from 'ls': http://paste.debian.net/278470/ |
| 14:26.45 | Miesco | If I type 'dir shawn/' it shows the files fine... |
| 14:26.59 | runlevl4 | pjotter: use mkfs.vfat to reformat the usb and then dd to sdc |
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| 14:27.54 | pjotter | runlevl4: I have a couple of corrupt partitions on the USB that I need to get rid of. |
| 14:28.10 | pjotter | But so far the program is refusing to delete them |
| 14:28.41 | r6ku | program? |
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| 14:29.27 | pjotter | r6ku: gnome-disks |
| 14:29.34 | r6ku | you don't need to do that |
| 14:30.10 | pjotter | r6ku: So, how to remove the corrupt partitions? |
| 14:30.48 | r6ku | use dd :) |
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| 14:31.30 | KM0201 | http://askubuntu.com/questions/185815/how-do-i-clear-everything-data-viruses-from-a-thumbdrive |
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| 14:32.00 | pjotter | r6ku: I tried, but dd doesn't work with the USB at the moment |
| 14:32.04 | pjotter | It just hangs |
| 14:32.08 | tritoch | having an issue compiling openssl on debian lenny (armv4). ran './Configure shared linux-armv4' and now 'make' and it errors out with the following: "../libcrypto.so: undefined reference to `d3'" |
| 14:32.10 | r6ku | it takes a while |
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| 14:32.25 | r6ku | looks like cp also works, I just tried it :) |
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| 14:33.11 | Delf | themill: Do I have to switch from systemd for wheezy too or just for squeeze? |
| 14:33.49 | themill | Delf: ? |
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| 14:34.36 | pjotter | Ok, GParted did the job. Now the USB is working again. Restartuing the dd procedure with sdc instead of sdc1 |
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| 14:34.55 | at0m|c | pjotter: was sdc1 mounted when you dd'd to sdc? unmount it first ;) |
| 14:35.06 | pjotter | alrighty |
| 14:35.28 | pjotter | That seems to be a pretty important thing to remember :) |
| 14:36.27 | pjotter | Ok, right, so... Just unmounted. dd is doing it's thing atm. We'll just wait and see. |
| 14:36.30 | runlevl4 | at0m|c: beat me to the punch. dd should've warned that it was mounted as well. |
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| 14:36.51 | runlevl4 | pjotter: cool. be patient. it'll finish and life will be good. ;) |
| 14:37.00 | pjotter | This takes longer than last time.. So I suspect it's better this time :) |
| 14:37.09 | at0m|c | dd, destroyer of disks! |
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| 14:37.27 | pjotter | Ok, dd finished. |
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| 14:38.22 | runlevl4 | at0m|c: :D sometimes it's also the best route. dare I mention arch? |
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| 14:38.50 | pjotter | Ok, this also happened last time. Right after I used dd. I try to mount the USB again and it fails. If I unplug it and replug it. It will come up, mount and show the files. Should I do that? |
| 14:39.09 | r6ku | that's normal |
| 14:39.09 | runlevl4 | i was pulling my hair out a while back. turns out unetbootin doesn't work right with arch and skips critical files. dd to the rescue! |
| 14:39.16 | at0m|c | dd's pretty indiscriminate and thorough |
| 14:39.20 | themill | pjotter: did you run sync? |
| 14:39.32 | runlevl4 | what r6ku said |
| 14:39.37 | pjotter | themill: What's sync? |
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| 14:39.58 | themill | make sure the data actually hits the disk |
| 14:40.18 | pjotter | Ok, now I replugged the USB and all files seem to be there. |
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| 14:40.50 | pjotter | I'll just pretend everything worked fine and just go ahead and try to boot the Eee with this USB. |
| 14:41.30 | pjotter | Hurray! :D |
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| 14:41.56 | Delf | themill: Apologies. I confused you with jelly. |
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| 14:42.27 | pjotter | So,ok.. what was that thing again? I should go to Advanced options and then Rescue mode, right? |
| 14:42.45 | themill | I'm not sure which of us should be more offended by that :þ |
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| 14:42.55 | r6ku | go to Rescue mode, when it ask for a language back out with ESC to the menu and pick "check CD-Rom integrity" |
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| 14:43.24 | pjotter | r6ku: Ah, yes! Thanks r6ku |
| 14:43.51 | jelly | Delf: for running jessie userspace on X old kernel? Probably both |
| 14:43.52 | Delf | themill: Neither. I have far superior ways of offending others. |
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| 14:44.46 | Delf | jelly: Yes. I see. Is it hard? I'm barely a user :) |
| 14:44.47 | jelly | Delf: but I only tried jessie chroots on squeeze, no idea if it's _really_ needed on a wheezy kernel but have vague recollection of some new kernel config option being needed |
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| 14:45.31 | jelly | dpkg, tell Delf about jessie sysvinit |
| 14:45.42 | Delf | I might be able to stay with wheezy without jessie's userspace. |
| 14:45.51 | pjotter | Well, this is rather disappointing. As soon as I enter rescue mode. The thing just shuts itself down. |
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| 14:45.55 | r6ku | pjotter: wait, you said you were using an EeePC? how much ram do you have? |
| 14:46.23 | pjotter | r6ku: I really don't know. But it's enough to run modern versions of Xubuntu. |
| 14:46.40 | pjotter | I had Xubuntu 14.04 running yesterday |
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| 14:47.27 | r6ku | if it has less than 4GB of ram, you should the 32-bit(i386) image instead |
| 14:47.56 | Delf | If I only knew what exactly is causing it maybe it would help others too. |
| 14:48.09 | pjotter | A miracle occurred. I tried again and now the thing let's me pass into resuce mode. It's now checking :) |
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| 14:49.34 | pjotter | Ok, it's official now: The CD-ROM integrity test was successful. The CD-ROM is valid. |
| 14:49.58 | pjotter | So, next thing: booting and trying to install |
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| 14:50.47 | r6ku | if you want to, but I'd recommend getting the i386 image instead |
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| 14:51.19 | pjotter | r6ku: the 1386 image? Why? This is an amd64 computer? |
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| 14:52.25 | r6ku | yes, but it doesn't have a lot of RAM, 64-bit operating systems use twice as much ram as 32-bit ones, if your system doesn't have at least 4GB of ram, you're better of using 32-bit for better performance |
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| 14:53.00 | runlevl4 | i ended up doing the same thing on my aspire one for the same reason |
| 14:53.21 | pjotter | r6ku: I think it has 16GB of Ram. |
| 14:53.42 | runlevl4 | that seems awfully high |
| 14:54.00 | r6ku | that's probably an SSD |
| 14:54.19 | pjotter | We're good on RAM |
| 14:55.14 | pjotter | Ok, entering the installation now... wait!!! the thing rebooted on me again! :O |
| 14:55.18 | r6ku | what's the model number? |
| 14:55.29 | pjotter | 1215b or something |
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| 14:56.45 | runlevl4 | according to amazon that's 4gb max |
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| 14:57.26 | pjotter | I might have inserted some more RAM |
| 14:57.34 | themill | pjotter: there's a #debian-eeepc on irc.oftc.net who might know more |
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| 14:58.02 | nexus6__ | is there a way to give new files in a certain folder always the same owner even if i create them with another user? |
| 14:58.03 | pjotter | themill: I'll chack that out. Thanks! |
| 14:58.06 | pjotter | check |
| 14:58.14 | themill | I imagine it's pretty quiet these days |
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| 14:58.56 | pjotter | Aha! |
| 14:59.05 | pjotter | I think I see the problem |
| 14:59.52 | pjotter | Just prior to shutting down, there was a message about the temperature. WeÅe in the middel of a heat wave here... so.. maybe... |
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| 15:00.42 | themill | pops pjotter in the fridge |
| 15:00.50 | runlevl4 | :D |
| 15:01.01 | runlevl4 | freezer works faster |
| 15:01.01 | pjotter | I'll just shut that function off :p |
| 15:01.13 | pjotter | If I can :D |
| 15:01.56 | pjotter | This thing always had problems with the CPU getting to hot |
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| 15:02.19 | pjotter | But I suspect it might not read the correct temp. |
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| 15:04.00 | nexus6__ | or do i need to login with this user to create files? |
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| 15:10.03 | pjotter | Alrighty. I'm off for a couple of beers now while the Eee is in the fridge for a while. That'll cool it down and I can try again later. |
| 15:10.37 | runlevl4 | pjotter computing is always more fun after a couple of beers |
| 15:10.51 | pjotter | I really got to say. This Eee is by far the worse computer I ever bought. |
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| 15:16.33 | Pixer | does something like 'google desktop search' exist for debian? |
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| 15:16.57 | Pixer | Beagle is said to have been abandoned. |
| 15:17.23 | Pixer | runlevl4: agree :)) |
| 15:18.47 | pjotter | Alrighty. The Eee is now frozen, so temp should be ok. |
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| 15:22.14 | jhutchins | nexus6__: You can use su - to change to the other user. |
| 15:22.40 | jhutchins | nexus6__: Be sure to include the dash so that you get the full environment of the other user, otherwise you can have unexpected issues. |
| 15:23.05 | nexus6__ | jhutchins, my detailed problem is my webserver is running under a non-login user and i am upload files with the root user. |
| 15:23.06 | at0m|c | pjotter: elec devices in the fridge? i'd plastic bag that to prevent condensation |
| 15:23.13 | pjotter | too late |
| 15:23.24 | thybo | heh :) |
| 15:23.29 | pjotter | ;) |
| 15:23.44 | pjotter | I'm already installing Debian 81. on it. So far so good |
| 15:24.01 | thybo | Debian's cool, see? |
| 15:24.14 | runlevl4 | pjotter: what happened to the beer? |
| 15:24.15 | pjotter | Occationally blowing underneath the thing to prevent overheating |
| 15:24.34 | pjotter | runlevl4: I drank it? What else? |
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| 15:24.55 | runlevl4 | pjotter: i think you'll have interesting computing time if you have to resort to that...phew. had me worried! |
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| 15:26.11 | runlevl4 | oh well, time to get some stuff done around the house. gl pjotter. |
| 15:26.15 | pjotter | The Eee always had overheating issues. The fan is always on max. I once opened it up to see what was wrong but couldn't find anything wrong with it. The fan works, so. |
| 15:26.26 | pjotter | thanks runlevl4 |
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| 15:28.30 | pjotter | The damn Eee just quit on me again!! That's it. I'm moving to the south pole. Maybe I can install Debian there. |
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| 15:32.41 | yoLo__ | anyone knows how i can get rfcomm0 in /dev directory ? |
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| 15:33.32 | Miesco | Um. What happens when you do not remove a symlink properly and just overwrite the file? |
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| 15:34.16 | yoLo__ | also http://dpaste.com/3PNM79H i have checked and don't seem to be missing any parameters http://dpaste.com/3PNM79H |
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| 15:34.32 | yoLo__ | sorry for the double post |
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| 15:36.17 | docmur | Goes anyone know if growl exists for Debian Wheezy? I haven't been able to find a repo for it, I want to use it to push notificaitons from the server to the desktops |
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| 15:36.59 | jhutchins | nexus6__: You can handle that by making the user a member of the www-data group, and making sure the directory is writable by the group. |
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| 15:37.40 | jhutchins | nexus6__: Lazy admins usually just do a chown -R www-data:www-data /var/www after uploading stuff. |
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| 15:38.44 | allizom | docmur: isn't Growl an OS X thing? |
| 15:40.14 | docmur | Yes it originated in OS X but I've seen ports for Ubuntu, so I was wondering if the same has been done for Debian, or if a Linux server to Windows desktop notifer exists |
| 15:41.08 | nexus6__ | jhutchins, i suppose users can be apart of multiple groups and this should not affect other may not known setups? |
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| 15:44.30 | allizom | docmur: I haven't got the linux server to windows desktop part, sorry |
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| 15:46.03 | docmur | Well what I want to do, is that send a notication from Linux, like notify-send, and have it show up on all the Windows desktops that connect to my server, so they can get updates from the server |
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| 15:48.30 | detergnet | docmur: check out https://github.com/mattn/gntp-send |
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| 15:55.47 | gmbs | Reddit has been officially tagged NSFW at my place of work. Recommendations for good Linux admin news sources? |
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| 15:57.33 | srg | gmbs: my first idea: get around the block |
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| 15:58.09 | srg | other than that....there's a linux mag from the UK that is good |
| 15:58.14 | digdilem | gmbs, what linux admin doesn't know how to get around corporate filters? |
| 15:58.16 | srg | i forget the name of it though |
| 15:58.46 | gmbs | srg: I work from home. I try to get around my wife on this, I will be cold and lonely for a LONG TIME. |
| 15:58.57 | digdilem | lol |
| 15:59.04 | digdilem | good answer |
| 15:59.25 | srg | haha! |
| 15:59.41 | srg | that's what okcupid is for |
| 15:59.45 | jelly | gmbs: lwn.net |
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| 16:00.44 | gmbs | My wife is a competent Linux sysadmin herself. |
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| 16:01.47 | srg | ask her where she gets her news from |
| 16:01.49 | srg | "reddit" |
| 16:01.51 | digdilem | yeah, totally don't risk that. i'd really like to answer your question now, but i can't give many alternative sources other than perhaps the register (uk) |
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| 16:03.05 | gmbs | The Register is somewhat strongly anti open-source, isn't it? |
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| 16:03.33 | digdilem | not read it for a while. went off it for really awful headlines and using the same stock photos for almost everything |
| 16:03.35 | gmbs | ...at least from my reading of it. |
| 16:04.12 | jelly | gmbs: but really it's a question for #debian-offtopic or ##Linux, this channel is for tech support only |
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| 16:04.51 | gmbs | Thanks! |
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| 16:06.39 | Resilience | hello to everyone, I am having some troubles with mi wifi, so I have to re-run the dhcp client often, I want to do it as normal user, so I have put this sudoers.d file: cat /etc/sudoers.d/init.d-networking -> <user> ALL=NOPASSWD:/etc/init.d/networking start, /etc/init.d/networking stop, /etc/init.d/networking reload, /etc/init.d/networking restart, /etc/init.d/networking force-reload and it is not working, why? |
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| 16:25.14 | baconicsynergy | sup |
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| 16:26.37 | BluesKaj | Resilience, why all the commands ? networking start or restart should work |
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| 16:27.23 | Resilience | BluesKaj, I read it on somem web and becuase I did that for apt-get and need to put the switches after that (apt-get update and so on) |
| 16:27.42 | knivsta | hey guys is TLS_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA -256 BIT keys really realy weak in comparison with TLS_DHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 - 128 bit keys? |
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| 16:28.58 | jelly | knivsta: since this isn't #stream-cyphers-and-crypto it's unlikely you're going to get a qualified and competent opinion |
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| 16:29.45 | knivsta | jelly, ok thanks |
| 16:30.36 | jelly | knivsta: find a crypto, ssl or even applied maths related channel |
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| 16:31.38 | jelly | knivsta: /msg alis list *crypto* -min 50 |
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| 16:33.10 | Delf | Do we have a program that categorizes and classifies other programs? |
| 16:34.03 | sc_ | aptitude? |
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| 16:34.28 | tehrabbitt | is btrfs actually "Production ready" yet? |
| 16:34.31 | BluesKaj | Delf, like a search ? |
| 16:35.54 | jelly | tehrabbitt: it depends on whether your production easily allows for losing data or performance intermittently |
| 16:36.23 | sc_ | data, who needs it? |
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| 16:38.46 | tehrabbitt | jelly: so what if I was to say I am building a production Domain Controller for LDAP? |
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| 16:39.15 | Resilience | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:39.21 | Resilience | why does it happen? |
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| 16:40.52 | jelly | tehrabbitt: a single one or one from a cluster of 3-4 independents? |
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| 16:41.37 | jelly | tehrabbitt: I'm not sure why you'd need btrfs features on something that is basically a LDAP server. |
| 16:41.37 | tehrabbitt | jelly: planning on building two. a physical and a virtual. |
| 16:41.52 | tehrabbitt | jelly: i'm just buliding it and am tryingg to determine best FS to use |
| 16:42.18 | tehrabbitt | I didn't know if btrfs is starting to beocme the "standard" yet |
| 16:42.18 | jelly | the best FS is the one you know the best, and can easily repair, or restore |
| 16:42.20 | npa_ | Printscreen doesn't work. i have debian jessie 8.1 gnome. |
| 16:42.27 | SynrG | Resilience: are you the administrator of the system and is 'user' your own account? if so, when you installed the system, did you give root a password? if so, the reason sudo doesn't work is, that is the default for Debian in that situation. |
| 16:42.29 | tehrabbitt | jelly: so in my case, ext4 or JFS |
| 16:42.48 | jelly | tehrabbitt: for my conservative approach, btrfs is still 5 years from that |
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| 16:42.54 | tehrabbitt | ah okay |
| 16:43.01 | knivsta | jelly, ai'ght thanks |
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| 16:43.14 | jelly | tehrabbitt: but that just, like, my opinion, man |
| 16:43.23 | Resilience | SynrG, I have put this sudoers.d file: cat /etc/sudoers.d/init.d-networking -> <user> ALL=NOPASSWD:/etc/init.d/networking start, /etc/init.d/networking stop, /etc/init.d/networking reload, /etc/init.d/networking restart, /etc/init.d/networking force-reload and what I have is that erro message |
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| 16:43.38 | tehrabbitt | jelly: i'll just stick to ext for now then i suppose... I personally always liked JFS due to it's speed, but i've heard it has some issues too (even though it's been around like 20 years) |
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| 16:45.30 | SynrG | Resilience: does user have passworded sudo access by another means? if so, is the init.d-networking file loaded *after* or *before* the line granting that access? order is important. the sudoers man page explains the *last* rule matching for a user supercedes earlier rules |
| 16:46.24 | Resilience | SynrG, what does it mean to have passworded? |
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| 16:47.31 | Sarodj | hey guys, i need to mount a raid1 partition. what tool can i use best |
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| 16:47.59 | SynrG | Resilience: is 'user' a member of the sudo group, or does 'user' have any other line in sudoers that applies and does not have NOPASSWD tag, and would therefore supercede this rule |
| 16:48.14 | SynrG | if the order were incorrect |
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| 16:49.09 | Resilience | SynrG, the user is not a member of the sudo group, but I am running apt-get with a sudoers.d file similar to this one, and there i sno problem |
| 16:49.36 | SynrG | Resilience: did you use visudo to edit the file? are you sure it's syntactically correct? |
| 16:49.55 | SynrG | Resilience: if you didn't use visudo, you should, as it can catch typos |
| 16:50.07 | Resilience | SynrG, I used visudo,a dn visudo said nothing, so it is ok I suppose |
| 16:50.07 | SynrG | well, some of them |
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| 16:51.00 | SynrG | Resilience: pasting to the channel is highly difficult to read. why don't you put the file exactly as it is with all the original formatting at paste.debian.net? |
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| 16:51.38 | SynrG | Resilience: never mind. |
| 16:51.46 | SynrG | Resilience: your filename is incorrect. |
| 16:51.52 | Resilience | the fiel has only On eline, becuase it is a file on /etc/sudoers.d, it is a one liner , fran ALL=NOPASSWD:/etc/init.d/networking start, /etc/init.d/networking stop, /etc/init.d/networking reload, /etc/init.d/networking restart, /etc/init.d/networking force-reload |
| 16:52.05 | Resilience | sun I suppose my file is incorrect, but I don't understand why... |
| 16:52.10 | SynrG | Resilience: from sudoers(5): |
| 16:52.16 | Resilience | if it was correct it would work |
| 16:52.28 | SynrG | sudo will read each file in /etc/sudoers.d, skipping file names that end in â~â or contain a â.â character to avoid causing problems with package manager or editor temporary/backup files." |
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| 16:52.52 | Resilience | SynrG, oh my, the name of the file.. I was thinking that since 1 minute ago :( |
| 16:53.08 | SynrGy | heh |
| 16:53.11 | Resilience | SynrG, thanky you very much |
| 16:53.27 | SynrG | no problem |
| 16:53.28 | Resilience | SynrG, it was the only thing diffenrent or brittle |
| 16:53.33 | SynrG | yep |
| 16:54.01 | SynrG | i know the arguments must be exactly as typed to work ... |
| 16:54.16 | SynrG | i had worried there was something in there that i couldn't easily see, because the line is so long ... |
| 16:54.36 | SynrG | dunno if extra blanks are significant. i hope not. |
| 16:54.55 | SynrG | why did you exactly specify all of the allowed arguments, rather than just say any argument is allowed? |
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| 16:56.22 | Resilience | SynrG, am I still connected? |
| 16:56.27 | Resilience | I suppose yes |
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| 16:56.50 | Resilience | SynrG, I did that because I don't know how to say that any argument is allowed... |
| 16:57.13 | SynrG | Resilience: the sudoers man page discusses this |
| 16:57.50 | Resilience | SynrG, ok, now that I know that it can be done I will take a read at it, thank you very much |
| 16:57.56 | pjotter | I accidentally blew some beer on the processor of my Eee PC. If it dried, it will be ok, right? |
| 16:58.34 | r6ku | you what? |
| 16:58.50 | pjotter | I opened up the thing to see why it is heating so much. |
| 16:59.06 | SynrG | you know liquids conduct electricity, which is generally not good for electronics ... |
| 16:59.12 | SynrG | ;) |
| 16:59.14 | r6ku | did you find lots of dust? |
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| 16:59.32 | SynrG | anyway, how is this a debian support question? |
| 16:59.33 | pjotter | I wanted to blow off some dust but forgot I was drinking beer also. It is hot here today, so... |
| 16:59.47 | SynrG | -> #debian-offtopic, please |
| 16:59.55 | pjotter | sorry |
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| 17:00.08 | pjotter | This will be ontopic when I get the Eee going again :) |
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| 17:00.28 | SynrG | good luck |
| 17:00.45 | pjotter | I'm installing Debian 8.1 again. We'll see if it works this time. |
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| 17:10.40 | Delf | BluesKaj: Yes? So one can find programs that can do what you want and so on. Maybe even make categories for which there are no programs for, yet? |
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| 17:12.33 | pjotter | Still holding up. The spilled beer seems to have made the difference. |
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| 17:17.16 | BluesKaj | Delf, never heard of using the sudoers file for networking commands, creating shell script for startup and shutdown is the usual method afaik |
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| 17:19.17 | Delf | BluesKaj: What do you mean? |
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| 17:22.40 | BluesKaj | Delf, which debian version ? |
| 17:22.45 | pjotter | Guys.. I am perplexed. It says here: Debian is installed. I just need to reboot my Eee... 8O |
| 17:23.52 | BluesKaj | pjotter, were you trying to reinstall ? |
| 17:23.53 | Delf | BluesKaj: Which Debian version in relation to what? |
| 17:24.19 | pjotter | BluesKaj: I was just going for a new install (first time) |
| 17:24.24 | BluesKaj | Delf, in relation init,d and systemd |
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| 17:24.51 | allizom | BluesKaj: I believe you meant to address Resilience, not Delf |
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| 17:25.50 | Delf | BluesKaj: You mean running older kernel on jessie userspace? Wheezy. |
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| 17:25.59 | BluesKaj | allizom, I beleive you're right , sorry Delf |
| 17:26.01 | npa__ | hey guys - how can I make print screen working on debian jessie gnome ? |
| 17:26.12 | Resilience | allizom, maybe |
| 17:26.23 | BluesKaj | my old age is showing |
| 17:27.16 | Linnak | hi, I've just installed Debian with Gnome in Vbox and installed all the packages I need. It took 3-4 hours. How can I save the package list and from that list install them all on another Debian system in vbox but with KDE? |
| 17:27.44 | alad | Linnak: dpkg --get-selections / --set-selections , see man dpkg |
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| 17:27.59 | alad | "but with KDE" eh |
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| 17:28.02 | Linnak | So after that i'll install Debian with KDE and I'd like the same packages to be on that as well |
| 17:28.30 | Linnak | alad thanks |
| 17:28.33 | pjotter | Ok, I installed Debian 8.1 on a Eee PC. My screenres. is not ok. It is currently 1024x768 and only other option seems to be 800x600. |
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| 17:30.55 | Linnak | alad how about apt-mark showauto? |
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| 17:31.44 | BluesKaj | pjotter, which gpu ? |
| 17:31.57 | alad | Linnak: works too |
| 17:32.01 | Linnak | ok |
| 17:32.23 | pjotter | BluesKaj: It's a Eeee PC 1215b. I have to look it up. The screenres should be 1366x768 |
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| 17:32.36 | Delf | BluesKaj: It's alright. |
| 17:33.56 | pjotter | BluesKaj: I think it's a ATI Radeon HD graphics |
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| 17:34.13 | Resilience | BluesKaj, what do you mean with shellscripts for sarting stoppinig? can you point me to some example? |
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| 17:35.48 | BluesKaj | Resilience, depends whether you have systemd or the regular startup/init.d |
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| 17:37.37 | KM0201 | pjotter: according to google, it's an Radeon 6320.. what does lspci say the GPU is? |
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| 17:38.21 | KM0201 | sorry.. accidentally disabled my wireless...lol |
| 17:38.41 | shay_shay | you're forgiven |
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| 17:39.26 | KM0201 | anyway pjotter how does lspci identify the device? |
| 17:40.01 | pjotter | KM0201: Yes, it's a Radeon HD 6320 |
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| 17:40.44 | Resilience | BluesKaj, the regular one, but intereted to in the "irregular" O :o) |
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| 17:41.18 | KM0201 | pjotter: so all you have to do is install the AMD/ATI driver... https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo |
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| 17:43.15 | KM0201 | pjotter: there's also a non-free ATI driver.. but I've not used AMD ina while, so I'm not sure if the open source or closed source one is preferred |
| 17:43.28 | BluesKaj | Resilience, which debian version are you running? The script path depends on that |
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| 17:43.42 | pjotter | KM0201: I would rather use the free version |
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| 17:43.58 | allizom | pjotter: have you tried installing just firmware-linux-nonfree ? |
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| 17:44.17 | pjotter | allizom: Not yet. Iḿ just reading that on that page KM0201 posted. |
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| 17:44.43 | KM0201 | pjotter: well, try to use it, if it doesn't work, it looks like the closed source one definitely supports your device (it doesn't cost money, it's just not open source).. https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary#Drivers |
| 17:44.52 | Resilience | BluesKaj, using testing 7wahtever is called sorry) but if the only problem are path that's ok |
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| 17:45.46 | pjotter | KM0201: How is it that it is not supported? I recently used Xubuntu and that version had no problems with the free graphics driver. |
| 17:46.08 | pjotter | Is the free driver from Debian different than that from Xubuntu? |
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| 17:46.42 | allizom | pjotter: are you on jessie, and, do you use GNOME? |
| 17:46.46 | KM0201 | pjotter: i didn't say it's not supported.. re-read what I said. i said try the free one, if it doesn't work, it's definitely supported by the proprietary driver |
| 17:46.58 | pjotter | allizom: yes, Jesse 8.1 and XFCE. |
| 17:47.24 | pjotter | KM0201: Ok, so how to install the free one? I thought it was installed by default? |
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| 17:47.40 | allizom | ok, I asked because it says the proprietary driver doesn't work with GNOME in jessie |
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| 17:48.01 | KM0201 | pjotter: well, try to install it and see if it's installed by default... or if you ahve synaptic, search there, or use cli to search if it's installed, etc |
| 17:48.24 | pjotter | KM0201: This is a fresh install of Jesse 8.1 |
| 17:48.58 | KM0201 | pjotter: i'm not sure if it pulls in the graphics driver on it's own or not.. i can only suggest to you what i just told you |
| 17:49.04 | KM0201 | and then go from there |
| 17:49.04 | pjotter | This is the first time I tried it out. Not sure what to do now. I thought the free graphics driver was installed by defautl? |
| 17:49.10 | allizom | pjotter: apt-cache show xserver-xorg-video-radeon |
| 17:49.19 | BluesKaj | Resilience, hope this is relevant http://serverfault.com/questions/10811/how-to-add-a-script-to-startup-and-shutdown-in-debian ... I'm new to debian, been a kubuntu user for 10 yrs, very similar , but there are differences |
| 17:49.20 | KM0201 | pjotter: i just sent you instructions on how to nstall the free one? |
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| 17:51.11 | pjotter | KM0201: Ok |
| 17:51.35 | pjotter | allizom: that command you gave does give a hit. |
| 17:52.04 | pjotter | Should I install xserver-xorg-video-radeon? |
| 17:52.32 | Resilience | BlueEagle, thabks (sorry for the time taken, but I was bolign eggs) |
| 17:52.40 | allizom | please paste its output |
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| 17:54.21 | pjotter | allizom: I can't it's on another laptop. |
| 17:54.30 | BluesKaj | Resilience, suddenly I'm hungry :-) |
| 17:54.32 | pjotter | But that package is already installed |
| 17:54.44 | Resilience | BlueEagle, eggs are still hot I am afraid ;D |
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| 17:55.13 | allizom | pjotter: does it list the package properties? then it's installed already |
| 17:55.20 | pjotter | Yes, it does. |
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| 17:55.39 | pjotter | So, this means my video card is not supported, I guess? |
| 17:55.57 | allizom | I think that you just need, as I said before, to install firmware-linux-nonfree |
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| 17:56.43 | pjotter | allizom: Just that one? Or also others? |
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| 17:57.00 | pjotter | I have also: "# apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree libgl1-mesa-dri xserver-xorg-video-ati" |
| 17:57.45 | pjotter | Or should I replace the 'ati' in this example with 'radeon'? |
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| 17:58.24 | allizom | pjotter: do you have them installed already? you can check with apt-cache show as before |
| 17:58.39 | BluesKaj | pjotter, think the ati is default anyway, use the radeon |
| 17:58.44 | pjotter | No, this is a clean install of Jesse 8.1 |
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| 17:59.51 | KM0201 | pjotter: did you read the link i sent you?.. it tells you exactly what to install. |
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| 18:00.45 | shinenelson | Hey, I've got a Debian 8 (Jessie) server installed on my server, I can't seem to update my locale settings, I uncommented the locales I wanted to installed, but it seems it can't find the locale-gen command. Am I doing something wrong? |
| 18:01.03 | valdyn | !locale |
| 18:01.03 | dpkg | A locale is a set of rules for presenting information to humans according to local conventions (date format, thousands separators, language, etc.). Ask me about <locales> to establish on a Debian system. http://wiki.debian.org/Locale http://mywiki.wooledge.org/locale |
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| 18:02.13 | pjotter | KM0201: I'm sorry... I didn't receive any link. Could you try again? |
| 18:02.13 | Linnak | debian stable live cd with kde http://i.imgur.com/hoNUK7Y.png :D |
| 18:02.38 | KM0201 | pjotter: https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo |
| 18:02.52 | shinenelson | I did read http://wiki.debian.org/Locale. It told me to use locale-gen, but that didn't work. That's why I'm here. |
| 18:03.01 | pjotter | KM0201: Oh, ok! Yes, I was already following those instructions |
| 18:03.19 | KM0201 | pjotter: well, if the driver is already installed, then it won't install anything |
| 18:03.34 | KM0201 | so.. just follow along and do what it says, then go from there |
| 18:03.39 | pjotter | KM0201: But I am confused. In the example it says to install xserver-xorg-video-ati, but shoul;dn that be radeon in my case? |
| 18:03.47 | KM0201 | pjotter: no |
| 18:03.56 | pjotter | ok, so just ati |
| 18:04.15 | KM0201 | pjotter: again, iw ould do exactly what those instructions say |
| 18:04.26 | pjotter | I'm already on it |
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| 18:05.21 | BluesKaj | - |
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| 18:05.47 | KM0201 | BluesKaj: ? |
| 18:06.03 | BluesKaj | KM0201, KB mishap |
| 18:06.08 | KM0201 | ah..lol |
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| 18:08.43 | BluesKaj | KM0201, using a wireless KB and I set it on arm of my easychair when doing other things..sometimes hitting a key by mistake |
| 18:09.00 | KM0201 | BluesKaj: understood |
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| 18:10.29 | BluesKaj | KM0201, I'm liking Jessie more and more |
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| 18:11.56 | shinenelson | Somebody knows why locale-gen doesn't work on Jessie? |
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| 18:12.02 | KM0201 | BluesKaj: same here actually.. |
| 18:12.30 | KM0201 | pjotter: did that fix your problem |
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| 18:15.23 | pjotter | KM0201: Yes, it fixed the problem. Resolution is ok now. |
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| 18:15.48 | pjotter | It's a pitty I had to revert to a non-free solution though |
| 18:15.49 | KM0201 | ok |
| 18:16.09 | KM0201 | pjotter: there were two drivers, the free and the non-free... you installed the non-free one |
| 18:16.12 | KM0201 | ? |
| 18:16.27 | pjotter | Isn't there a way to make the free driver work with my vid.card like in Xubuntu? |
| 18:16.36 | KM0201 | the link i gave you was to the free one |
| 18:16.52 | allizom | pjotter: do you refer to the non-free firmware? |
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| 18:17.02 | pjotter | Wait a minute... |
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| 18:17.14 | KM0201 | https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo |
| 18:17.16 | r6ku | you need non-free firmware for the "free" drivers |
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| 18:17.25 | pjotter | I had to add "deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ jessie main contrib non-free" to the sources.list |
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| 18:17.34 | KM0201 | pjotter: that is the link i gave you.. it is the open source driver. (besides that, as long as the driver works.. who cares?) |
| 18:17.35 | pjotter | So, my guess was that this is non-free software? |
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| 18:18.07 | allizom | yes, the firmware is non-free software, but it's not a driver |
| 18:18.13 | pjotter | KM0201: Well, many people care. I'd rather not have proprietary software running on my computer. |
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| 18:18.47 | KM0201 | pjotter: well, i'm not sure which of those packages were non-free.. it may not have been the driver itself... you were free not to use the driver. |
| 18:19.01 | pjotter | allizom: So this is a free driver using non-free firmware? |
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| 18:19.06 | KM0201 | oh, it was the firmware |
| 18:19.15 | allizom | yes. https://wiki.debian.org/Firmware for info |
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| 18:19.48 | BluesKaj | pjotter, proprietary software breaks after kernel module updates |
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| 18:20.35 | KM0201 | i guess to me, the fact the firmware is non-free, is not surprising at all.. I don't use ATI, so I don't know. |
| 18:20.40 | KM0201 | maybe i'm missing somethign |
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| 18:27.59 | dokma | gnome-keyring-daemon is eating up 400MB on my machine! that's nuts. google has nothing concrete on it. anyone knows anything about it? |
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| 18:29.01 | valdyn | dokma: show us |
| 18:29.04 | hiyo | dokma: I've been hearing that a lot of applications are taking up unusual amounts of RAM after the last leap second that occurred in June |
| 18:29.26 | hiyo | dokma: perhaps try restarting NTP, if you use it |
| 18:29.37 | srg | solar flare |
| 18:29.38 | srg | :-P |
| 18:29.39 | dokma | valdyn, what do you want to see? I've just killed it |
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| 18:30.03 | valdyn | dokma: i think you are confusing virtual memory size with resident size |
| 18:30.14 | dokma | valdyn, it's 400 of resident |
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| 18:30.19 | dokma | not virtual |
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| 18:30.33 | hiyo | dokma: http://www.corrspt.com/blog/2015/07/01/mysql-very-high-cpu-usage/ |
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| 18:33.04 | dokma | hiyo, that's very interesting |
| 18:33.13 | dokma | I tried the date reset thingy |
| 18:33.20 | dokma | let me restart and I'll come back |
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| 18:33.45 | dokma | hiyo, I do use ntp client from crontab |
| 18:33.55 | dokma | but don't run daemon |
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| 18:36.58 | HaveNoName | i think i've reinstalled the last probably broken packages, but i still can't login in X and geht a weird \u in $PS1. authlog has gnome-keyring-daemon[4096]: GLib: getpwuid_r(): failed due to: Keine Berechtigung for each time i try to identify and also gnome-keyring-daemon[4305]: couldn't connect to dbus session bus: Unable to autolaunch a dbus-daemon without a $DISPLAY for X11 for X logins. i *do* get in for |
| 18:36.58 | HaveNoName | a moment, i see my conky, and the testuser gets the $HOME filled up. but then: out again. Any idea? |
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| 18:40.33 | zevv | Hi, does anyone here happen to know why calibre is no longer available in debian testing? |
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| 18:41.54 | Spec | zevv: it's available in sid afaict |
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| 18:43.21 | Spec | zevv: weird that it's not in testing though |
| 18:43.27 | zevv | indeed it is |
| 18:43.39 | zevv | simply no results at all when apt-get search'ing |
| 18:44.17 | zevv | I'll add some sid to my sources then |
| 18:44.19 | mtn | zevv, https://packages.qa.debian.org/common/index.html |
| 18:44.38 | Spec | https://packages.qa.debian.org/c/calibre/news/20150616T163909Z.html |
| 18:44.50 | zevv | Spec: yeah, I just found that as well |
| 18:44.52 | zevv | but what does it mean? |
| 18:45.07 | Spec | looks like it was autoremoved due to a bug |
| 18:45.09 | zevv | it's just currently broken |
| 18:45.12 | Spec | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:45.13 | judd | Bug http://bugs.debian.org/775663 in src:calibre (open, help, wontfix): «calibre: file without source: resources/content_server/date.js»; severity: serious; opened: 2015-01-18; last modified: 2015-06-28. |
| 18:45.24 | zevv | ah there's a bug reference, you're right |
| 18:45.25 | zevv | all clear then |
| 18:45.37 | zevv | thanks for pointing that out |
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| 18:52.35 | HaveNoName | /etc/passwd must be world writeable iirc? |
| 18:53.05 | at0m|c | world readable. 644 |
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| 18:53.35 | HaveNoName | thanks, that may be the problem. i made a copy of the backup without changing access rights |
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| 18:59.15 | pjotter | Great! Everything works fine now. So thanks for helping me out: KM0201, themill, r6ku, runlevl4, allizom and BluesKaj!! Nice job! |
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| 19:00.42 | at0m|c | pjotter: cake for all! |
| 19:00.50 | pjotter | beer? |
| 19:00.51 | pjotter | :D |
| 19:00.57 | at0m|c | also good :D |
| 19:01.15 | pjotter | Alrighty, have yourselves a nice can of cold beer! |
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| 19:01.37 | pjotter | Just tell the shop to send the bill to pjotter. |
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| 19:04.04 | BluesKaj | searches for nvidia driver for the 8400gs ...OpenGL is a little choppy with 3.1 and raster..don't see any available drivers in the repos . Am I stuck with the nouveau? |
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| 19:14.58 | dokma | hiyo, valdyn gnome-keyring-daemon back to 320M resident |
| 19:15.06 | dokma | the date trick didn't help any |
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| 19:15.24 | dokma | can any of you tell me how much does gkd eat up on your machines? |
| 19:15.30 | dokma | I'm on Debian stable |
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| 19:16.11 | dokma | for me it's the number on process when I sort by MEM% in htop |
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| 19:18.08 | dokma | here's my htop: http://david.evorion.hr/htop.png |
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| 19:19.55 | dokma | soee, mate you use gnome-keyring-daemon? |
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| 19:20.13 | soee | hi, dokmai dont think soe :) |
| 19:20.25 | soee | * dokma |
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| 19:20.49 | GJdan | random question. With the install media, what would I want CD-2 or DVD-2 etc for? I've always just used -1 up to now |
| 19:21.26 | petn-randall | GJdan: In case you want to install things on a computer without internet access. |
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| 19:22.27 | GJdan | oh, so it just has packages on it? |
| 19:22.39 | petn-randall | GJdan: In fact, for a regular installation the netinstaller should suffice. |
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| 19:23.01 | petn-randall | GJdan: Yeah. The complete DVD set has /all/ packages available at the time of release. |
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| 19:39.03 | cilkay | Hello. I'm using SaltStack to configure a Debian VM and in the process, setting the IP address and hostname of the machine based on an external salt config file. I can change both without having to reboot by restarting networking. However, the login console doesn't reflect the new hostname until I hit return/enter. How would I update the login console? |
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| 19:40.47 | hiyo | dokma: sorry I was afk, but I don't really know much else, just remebered seeing that article and thought that might be an issue |
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| 19:41.41 | hiyo | I just upgraded my Wheezy system to Jessie without any problems other than the fact that it seems that sysvinit is still the init system and not systemd |
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| 19:42.17 | valdyn | cilkay: you kill the getty. It should respawn. |
| 19:42.45 | cilkay | Thank you. I'll try that. |
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| 19:43.35 | valdyn | cilkay: im seeing that systemd does not use getty,but it should be similar |
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| 19:47.51 | cilkay | I see that, too. I'm still fumbling my way through systemd. |
| 19:47.51 | valdyn | cilkay: nm, it uses agetty |
| 19:48.03 | cilkay | I saw that in the process tree. |
| 19:48.10 | valdyn | cilkay: try killing it |
| 19:48.14 | cilkay | I don't know what the implications of that are. |
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| 19:49.22 | valdyn | cilkay: its the middleware that talks to your tty |
| 19:49.44 | cilkay | pkill agetty seems to do the trick. |
| 19:49.59 | cilkay | valdyn: Thank you! |
| 19:50.14 | cilkay | Now I have to figure out how to stream log output to the login console. |
| 19:50.27 | valdyn | cilkay: there may be a cleaner method where you just send it a (not so deadly) signal, but i dont see where that would matter for your case |
| 19:51.20 | cilkay | Right now, users have no visibility into what is going on with the salt scripts as they're executing. I'd like to give them so indication of what's going on. |
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| 19:51.46 | valdyn | cilkay: switch to another tty , log to that |
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| 19:51.58 | valdyn | cilkay: otherwise the login screen is spammed? |
| 19:52.04 | cilkay | They don't have any shell access. These are treated as appliances that they hit "Start" and it self-configures and self-updates. |
| 19:52.25 | cilkay | I don't care really. I'd rather that they didn't even see a login prompt. |
| 19:52.27 | valdyn | cilkay: syslog can just log to the tty |
| 19:52.35 | valdyn | cilkay: or you can just write directly to the tty |
| 19:52.48 | valdyn | cilkay: echo "somestuff" > /dev/tty0 |
| 19:53.50 | valdyn | cilkay: i have zero experience with your use case, so there of course may be some neat tool for this too |
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| 19:54.23 | cilkay | tail -f /var/log/syslog > /dev/tty0 shows useful output |
| 19:55.02 | valdyn | cilkay: might aswell let syslog do that directly |
| 19:55.25 | cilkay | Yes, I was just testing to see how it would work. |
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| 20:26.17 | xhoch3 | hey there, can anyone help me build a package? |
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| 20:26.38 | xhoch3 | I have forked a project and already adjusted all the files in debin/ |
| 20:26.54 | armin | hi. is there a cool alternative blog software that is extremely lightweight? i consider just abusing git for something like this, but i still would love something that creates html files from easily human-readable files like markdown or so. any cool hint? |
| 20:26.59 | xhoch3 | but how does the package know where to place the executable etc.? |
| 20:27.09 | dokma | hiyo, soee thanks |
| 20:27.41 | armin | xhoch3: there should be a file describing what goes where in the sources of a package. |
| 20:27.58 | armin | xhoch3: i haven't build .deb's for a long time so i can't really tell without reading. |
| 20:28.26 | xhoch3 | this is the source tree, I am doing out of source builds: https://github.com/cybercatalyst/jackcontrol |
| 20:28.31 | xhoch3 | you see the debian folder there |
| 20:28.47 | xhoch3 | I guess I have to make bin/ folder etc and build in the source tree? |
| 20:28.59 | xhoch3 | or copy at least the debian files to the out of source folder |
| 20:29.35 | xhoch3 | since this project's origin is actively maintained, I guess this is all you need to have, but it doesn't make sense to men |
| 20:29.36 | xhoch3 | me* |
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| 20:31.01 | armin | xhoch3: so, there is a rules file. that defines actions that are going to be performed for each specific package manager action. |
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| 20:32.32 | xhoch3 | I see, it calls make, make install |
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| 20:32.42 | xhoch3 | I always thought packages contain the binaries |
| 20:33.18 | xhoch3 | ah there are the rules for building the actual package |
| 20:33.21 | xhoch3 | that makes sense |
| 20:33.54 | ging | is there a way to use apt-get -t to only install security updates on debian? |
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| 20:34.29 | valdyn | ging: that does not make much sense |
| 20:35.09 | ging | something like apt-get -t wheezy/updates upgrade |
| 20:35.10 | valdyn | ging: since a security fix to an upgrade will upgrade anyway |
| 20:35.49 | valdyn | ging: so - dont bother |
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| 20:36.58 | ging | but i only want security updates |
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| 20:37.10 | valdyn | ging: that is not possible |
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| 20:39.05 | valdyn | ging: wheezy is extremely conservative with upgrades - another reason why your plan make (almost) no sense |
| 20:39.29 | valdyn | ging: wheezy or any other stable release.. |
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| 20:44.06 | ging | valdyn: the issue is automatcing security updates is easily justified, non security updates much less so |
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| 20:46.07 | ging | even if only 1% of all updates were non security ones i would rather filter them out and do them manually |
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| 20:46.50 | bezaban | with the risk of being ot, in rhel you can apply only updates for a specified CVE |
| 20:47.07 | bezaban | for compliance reasons |
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| 21:02.17 | ging | does the wheezy repository actually get any updates at all? or do they all go in wheezy-updates? |
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| 21:06.24 | valdyn | ging: at point releases, yes |
| 21:06.51 | valdyn | ging: what you want is not supported by debian |
| 21:07.20 | valdyn | ging: thats where you problem begins and ends, no matter what you can justify |
| 21:08.29 | valdyn | ging: i somehow doubt even that *any* distro supports that model |
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| 21:08.46 | valdyn | ging: because it gives an exponential number of packages that need to be supported |
| 21:10.22 | psi | hi. i'm struggling with debian since morning. I wanted to install debian on raid5 on which i have encrypted lvm (guided partitioning). Unfortunately after setup grub2 cannot boot into debian. I got message "invalid arch-independent ELF magic". Any ideas? |
| 21:12.23 | ging | valdyn: i am not after something which would apply a patched version of an older package in the event of a security update, just a normal update, but only fetching new packages, if they on the security mirror, not the others |
| 21:12.51 | ging | it can be done by disabling any other mirror |
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| 21:13.20 | ging | i would have thought there would be a simple command for it |
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| 21:17.45 | ging | ubuntu unattended upgrades as the options of security updates only |
| 21:18.07 | ojaito1 | Hi all; i have wheezy installed on a 5-yr old machine and have had virtually no problems for 5 yrs. But it just started happening that my audio playback (in many applications) is sometimes corrupted. Often restarting the playback (by refreshing a website, for instance) will temporarily fix the problem. I'm wondering if someone can point me to good resources for troubleshooting a problem like this, or if |
| 21:18.08 | ojaito1 | you have suggestions about things to try. I've had trouble finding resources on the web to address audio corruption. Thanks. |
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| 21:45.52 | fwef | Hi, I'm using debian testing and I would like to install LXQT. However, I've found a repository that offers `jessie-backports`, `unstable` and `experimental`. Can the LXQT still be installed from unstable for example? |
| 21:46.05 | fwef | disclaimer: I'm new to debian |
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| 22:06.13 | at0m|c | !testing |
| 22:06.14 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <stretch>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <jessie->stretch> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging and be prepared for a very bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical! |
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| 22:17.54 | sumyunseal | hi |
| 22:17.56 | sumyunseal | o/ |
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| 22:18.09 | sumyunseal | any1 know postfix |
| 22:18.36 | sumyunseal | helo frendz |
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| 22:24.40 | zebani | ojc We are from Turkey -We Want F-u-ck China aeg |
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| 22:24.49 | sumyunseal | turkey sux ass |
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| 22:25.29 | sumyunseal | turks tend to be annoying too |
| 22:25.31 | sumyunseal | lol |
| 22:25.47 | sumyunseal | but chinese are not annoying |
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| 22:27.59 | sumyunseal | stop man |
| 22:28.10 | sumyunseal | its not my fault god made u turkish |
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| 22:28.23 | sumyunseal | jeeez man get a grip |
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| 22:28.32 | sumyunseal | ur from turkey |
| 22:28.35 | sumyunseal | deal w it |
| 22:28.36 | sumyunseal | plz |
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| 22:41.04 | pjotter | Hie everybody. How do I change the default mouse theme in Jesse 8.1? |
| 22:41.29 | vandox | Depends on the DE |
| 22:41.35 | pjotter | XFCE |
| 22:42.18 | r6ku | you can get a white version of the default mouse theme with the dmz-cursor-package |
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| 22:42.50 | pjotter | r6ku: That's what I wanted. Just a white mousetheme. |
| 22:43.06 | r6ku | you're welcome |
| 22:43.22 | pjotter | ItÅ weird. I tried changing the mousetheme but it doesn;t seem to work. It stays the same old black theme |
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| 22:45.59 | pjotter | r6ku: Ok, I installed the dmoz mouse package. It added several new themes. Strange thing: When I select the wite theme, it only changes the mousetheme within Iceweasel. All other windows stay the same old black mousetheme. |
| 22:46.27 | black | reload x then and see |
| 22:47.00 | pjotter | black: Is there a quick way to do that or just reboot? |
| 22:47.26 | black | you can reload gdm3 from the console |
| 22:47.49 | black | assuming that's what you're using.. might be lightdm |
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| 22:48.01 | black | sudo service gdm3 restart |
| 22:50.19 | pjotter | I had to use lightdm. But problem remains. Mousepointer still black except for within Iceweasel. |
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| 22:55.00 | pjotter | black: It only seems to work when I use "update-alternatives --config x-cursor-theme" instead of the configuration editor from the menu. |
| 22:55.26 | black | ..ok |
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| 22:56.32 | xhoch3 | ok, I have create the deb package, can anyone test it if it installs? |
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| 22:57.51 | somiaj | xhoch3: you are asking for a lot of trust from strangers....why not create a chroot of vm and test it yourself. |
| 22:59.16 | xhoch3 | somiaj, sorry, complete noob here, I am programming longer than using linux |
| 22:59.57 | azmodeus | does anybody know what is meant with "Switching system controls directly"? |
| 23:00.17 | somiaj | xhoch3: chroot is a simple debian install that runs off your curent linux kernel, a vm is a virtual machine you can install in various oses to test your package in |
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